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Good evening and welcome. Need to break

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up the friendly banter going up, but we

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will. So, welcome and a special welcome

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to our new fire chief, Eric McFaten.

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comes to us from Barry uh in his third

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day. He was involved with uh our

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emergency planning session. So, he's

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hitting the ground running and it's like

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he's been here for a week.

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So, having said that, uh please remain

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standing for the land acknowledgement. A

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moment of silent reflection in the

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senior Canada. So we acknowledge that

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Straford is positioned on the

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traditional territory of the Honosi, the

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Anesnaki, neutral and wander peoples. As

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we gather, we are reminded that the city

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of Straford is situated on treaty land

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that is state and rich indigenous

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history and home to many First Nations,

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matey and Inuit peoples. Today we

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acknowledge that Straford is situated on

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a land that was shared between the

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Honosomi, the Anesnabi, and the neutral

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lands peoples. And we are grateful to

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have the opportunity to live, work, and

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play on this land.

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» Thank you.

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the true strong and free

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Please be seated.

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Please allow me to share effective

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statement corporation at the city of

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Stratford is committed to providing

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quality service to all members of the

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public to challenge and our employees.

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Our goal is to promote a safe, healthy,

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respectful, inclusive and positive

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environment. We have a responsibility to

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treat people with respect by creating

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safe and respectful spaces. It is the

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city's expectation that all president

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will be respectful but I observe the

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meeting with yours worship. Item two is

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declarations of interest. Are there any

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declaration and if so please take the

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general nature thereof.

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Item three, adoption of the minutes and

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there is a motion that the minutes of

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the regular meeting of council of the

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corporation of the city of Straford

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dated August 10 be adopted as printed

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by counc second council ver any

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discussion

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see none all in favor of any that's

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unanimous carried

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» Item four adoption of the agenda and

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earlier today an agenda was circulated

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to add correspondents and delegations

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and I will now We did receive with a

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delegation request on Lina McKenna. Um

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so there is a motion that the agenda to

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the regular agenda council and stand

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date of September 14th be added to the

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agenda.

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» Thank you. Move by counc second by

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council 100. Any discussion on the

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agenda? Seeing none all in favor posting

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that's unanimous and carried. Item five

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is the report of the committee of the

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whole inc camera session in 5.1 just

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prior to today's regular council meeting

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and in camera session was held to

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consider two items as follows. The first

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being item 4.1, confidential verbal

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update of the chief administrative

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officer with respect to legal matters

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that was considered under the following

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exemptions of the municipal acts, labor

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relations or employee negotiations and

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litigation or potential litigation

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affecting the municipality. Item 4.2 2

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confidential report of the chief

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administrative officer with respect to

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an update on the proposed disposition of

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land 270 water street CM-2625

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and this is considered under the

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proposed or pending acquisition or

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disposal of land by the municipality

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along with position plan procedure

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criteria or instruction to be applied to

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any negotiation carried on or to be

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carried on by or on behalf of the

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municipality at the main camera session

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for item 4.1 the chief ministry officer

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provided a verbal update and no

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direction was given. Along item 4.2, a

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report was submitted and direction was

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item 4.2 regarding 270 Water Street at

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the former Normal School Discovery

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share my frustration with the process

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regarding this item. Uh I just wanted to

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go over the timeline. So in October

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discussion would take place in closed

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meeting in camera. And then November

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the process to declare surplus. I wasn't

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able to attend and no discussion, not

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one word because it had already taken

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place in Denver away from the public.

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at a budget meeting, a member of council

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said, "Until it's sold, we probably will

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going to sell it, we don't need to make

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again today. And my real concern and my

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expectation is that when this potential

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sale returns to the public in a public

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meeting, the decisions will again

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already be made and discussions will not

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take place in front of the public. So I

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frustration with the process.

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» Next item worship. Item six is hearings

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of deputations and presentations. Item

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meeting under the planning act. And

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there is a motion that the council

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meeting adjourn to a public meeting

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under the planning act to hear from

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members of the public with respect to

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planning application zoning bylaw

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amendment application Z03-26

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for 444 Duro Street and to reconvene

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following the public meeting. Thank you

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for that item

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by councelor Nager second in mind

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councelor McCabe.

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carried. So I'd like to call this public

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meeting to order. The purpose of this

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meeting is the council on the public and

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opportunity link your interested persons

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between zone change application 703-26.

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The application affects the property

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The order of procedure for this meeting

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will be as follows. The planner will

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present the application on behalf of the

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city. Then the agent for the application

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purpose of clarifying the application

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but are cautioned not to make comment

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nor take a position on this application

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at this public meeting. Then the public

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will be asked for their presentations,

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comments and questions. questions and

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comments should be planning related and

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respectful of council staff and members

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of the public. If a member of the public

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is interested in providing comments or

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questions, please raise your hand at the

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appropriate time and once acknowledged

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advised that if a person has not

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provided council with oral submissions

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at a public meeting or

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submissions before a bylaw is adopted or

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a decision is made. The Ontario land

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tribunal has the power to dismiss an

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appeal. The public is also advised that

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comments expressed and written materials

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presented are a matter of public record

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for full disclosure.

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Seeing none, we will now proceed with

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public and I see our planner is ready

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for your

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» Good evening your worship members of

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council staff and members of the public.

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My name is Kumar. I'm one of the

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planners for the CD and I'm here to

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present result application 0326 for

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street following my presentation the

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applicant

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speak to this proposal

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as shown on the map the subject lines

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are located on the north side of Duro

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street east of Roia Street and west of

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page. The subject property contains an

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existing twotory medical center from

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custo clinics, diagnostic imaging

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facilities and other health related

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services. Surrounding lands include

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apartment wings to the north,

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institutional to the east, commercial

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business including professional offices

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to the west and light investigative

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business including contracting services

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to the south. Access to the property is

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provided from Google Street.

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The application was submitted by Zelinga

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on behalf of Stratford Medical.

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A zoning amendment is requested to

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increase the maximum pered floor area of

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office uses. The ZA provides a maximum

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for area of 3,500 square meters for

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cleaning and office uses within I26 and

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I27 zones. With the proposed addition,

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the total combined floor area would

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increase to 4,680

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square meters exceeding the committed

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maximum floor area.

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lot space measuring 3.5 m by 8.5 m

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whereas minimum length of 9 m is

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required. The application also proposes

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a lot space

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a plant justification report and a

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partication letter. We submitted with

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support of the application.

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The image shows the proposed addition to

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the existing building which would be

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located on the eastern portion of the

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subject lens. It also shows the proposed

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loading space, parking areas and

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landscaping.

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industrial area on schedule A of the

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official plan and on to street which is

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identified as a culture road on schedule

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D of the official plan. This designation

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permits a range of employment uses that

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includes industrial storage, warehousing

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as well as compatible secondary uses

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such as institutional uses that support

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the area's industrial function.

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specific general industrial I27 I mean

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the city of Statford Va the IT zones

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permit a range of non-industrial uses

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including office offices clinics subject

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to a maximum combined network area of

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3,500 square m. It also provides a full

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range of industrial uses per hyphen zone

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along with certain non-industrial

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business compatible in an industrial

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setting. [clears throat]

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The subject application was circulated

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on August 10 to all required agencies uh

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with comments you see from agencies

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listed on this week. Stratford fire

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credential in particular noted that the

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proposed basis must not obstruct the

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fire rule which is capable of being

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addressed through the subsequent site

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plan approval process.

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Notice of application was sent on August

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10, 2026 to all property owners within

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meters of subject lands. in order was

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issued from the town flyer on August 15,

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2026. Uh today no concerns have been

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received from members of public

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that concludes my region and available

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to answer any questions that you have.

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Questions from council at this time

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counc.

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» Thank you to the mayor. My question is

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about the loading zone. If it's directly

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in I think that's a driveway going in

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and if it's not as big as it needs to

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be, will they be blocking traffic coming

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in or is that uh learning space? Uh the

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applicants agent had indicated that the

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proposed learning space would not offer

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party or uh you know fire room or any

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other access. Thank you. Any other

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questions?

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Handerson to the mayor. So if we reduce

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um the loading from 9.0 to 8.5, are

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trucks going to have enough radius to be

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able to still get in there? Uh to your

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question, uh uh we can have indication

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that you know smaller vans and trucks

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will be using those spaces

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» Also not the big trucks.

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» Yeah, we are not expecting big big

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trucks to use that. Okay. Thank you.

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comments or questions at this time

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should say questions.

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Thank you very much

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for [clears throat]

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this time. Welcome

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Richard

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to come forwardation.

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Welcome.

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Thank you.

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I'm exhibited

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here representing the property owner and

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proponent of the zoning bylaw amendment

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application. Um I'd like to start by

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thanking Miss Kuman for her work and

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passed this application. I've been

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working with us over the last few months

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to get to this stage. Um the proposed

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development is supported by all levels

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of current managed planning policy and

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promotes the efficient use of land and

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infrastructure through compatible and

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desirable expandment of the existing

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medical center to respond to the

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increase in needs of the county. We

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understand that the decision will not be

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made this evening uh but we are hopeful

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that council will endorse uh the

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application in principally. Thank you

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and I'm available to answer any

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questions you need.

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» Thanks. Any questions?

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Uh, good mayor. Just is there any

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concerns about the reduction in the the

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number of spaces available for parking

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on site?

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» So, we had a a party [clears throat] um

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complete a planning or park

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investigation letter for us um and they

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found that at peak times um when the

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medical center is is at its busiest so

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around 2 p.m. during the day only 65% of

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the parking was closed. Um so it is it

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is quite low parked as it is right now.

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There's quite a bit of space and extra

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capacity in the parking lot as it

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stands.

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» Sorry. Yeah, sorry. The 65% at current

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rates, is there a reduction in the

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number of spaces

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when when this addition comes in? So,

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there's going to be more people going

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there. Plus, it's taking out some of

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this parking is it or

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260 spaces are required as per the

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zoning bylaw right now. um and and with

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the addition of this building. So, we're

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proposing a total of 194 spaces and that

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is worked into the um the new zoning

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that we're proposing for the site. Um

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but the parking the parking

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justification letter, they only found

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that as it sits right now through their

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site visits that only a little over half

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of 65% of the parking was being used. Um

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so they they found that the reduction

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that we're seeking is uh is reasonable

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and and appropriate for this uh

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particular application.

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Any other questions for the agent? Okay.

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See none. Thank you very much.

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So turning to the public. Are there any

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questions, comments, presentations from

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the public at this?

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Please come forward.

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I'll look at the back here. Come around

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and

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as you come forward, I remind to speak

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loud so that the owls can pick you up

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and the voice can be projected towards

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the audience at home. So just make your

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name for the records.

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» Uh my name is Nbridge. I'm just

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concerned about accessible spaces and if

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some of the spaces that are going to be

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lost are accessible and also is there

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sufficiently accessible space there at

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the moment.

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» Thank you. And what we'll do is once we

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have the uh applicant back then we'll

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address those question back question.

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Thank you very much.

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» Thank you,

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Mr. Brown. Did I see your hands also

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at this time as well?

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» Thank you. Please state your floors.

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» Yes, my name is Robert. Live at 212

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William Street. Um, and I'm a regular

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user of that facility. I don't think

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parking is a problem. I've never seen

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the parking lot even close to congested.

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So, I'm not concerned about that. But,

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uh, I do have a question. Where's the

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town crier today? Because there's no

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marketplace. So, unless

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how is it being distributed?

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I can turn to the

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cup about that, but um I'm not sure if

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it relates to tonight's present.

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» Well, it is because this is the first

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I've heard of this and I watch things

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pretty closely and I don't get even

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every day so I don't know what day you

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put it in there.

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» We'll certainly look into that, sir.

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» Okay. Now, my my point from standing up

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is what is going on the roof? We need to

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start really intensifying how we use

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land to be environmentally responsible

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and any flat roof from now on should

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either have solar panels or some other

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use in and I'll address that in the the

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growing city issue. But here's an

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opportunity to start. Say to the

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developer, well, you want a break from

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us. So, make sure that you come up with

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something to make good use of the roof

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space. Solar panels would definitely be

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a good idea, but that's up to them. Come

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up with something that makes use of the

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roof. I'm glad to see that it's a

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multi-story building. We have way too

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many one-story buildings, and that

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building functions very well, and I'm

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happy to see it. and uh I support the

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addition of [clears throat]

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Thank you.

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» State your name for public record. My

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name is Paul Brown.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council. The

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opportunity to address this

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brief presentation.

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I think everybody knows that that

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building is very busy during the week

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from about 8:15

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95 to 5.

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That's about and that's 5 days a week.

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That's 25% of the time

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is open twice as long as that. St.

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particular pharmacy is open long

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what it does I just like to present a

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broader perspective here on this concept

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when these facilities are open 25% of

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the time it draws staff and employees

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that like to work a 5day week which is

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great but what it does is it puts

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pressure on our hospital our public

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hospital

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24 hours a day because the rest of the

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three4s of the time The staff that work

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there have long hours and have to meet

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many [snorts]

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requests of service that are in the

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evenings after 5:00 afternoon, Saturday,

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Sunday. So my point is is simply that is

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it going to increase the hours and work

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7 days a week as being recommended by

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Dr. Jane Philbot with family here in

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Stratford for a primary care home that's

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open 7 days a week and everybody is

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included with the family physician nurse

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practitioner and a host of other

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services but right now they're all

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independent facilities whether you're

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talking about the high hospital out

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there or whatever the medical arts

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facilities sorry or the the Jenny Trump

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they take services away and the contrary

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to where we're trying to go with an

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integrated health system. So I would

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request that this Olivia maybe you

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propose that 24 hours or 7 days a week

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the hours of operation of this facility.

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Thank you Mr. Mayor and Council. Thank

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you. I'll I'll state that for record

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that I know that building is open more

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than 5 days a week. I was in an

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appointment there on Saturday. So

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council I'm going to go through the

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public and then we'll come back.

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Um so next did I have anybody else from

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public at this time?

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Final call. Anybody from public that

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wish to make presentation

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comments or questions? seeing none. Then

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councelor Henderson, I'll go to you and

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then we'll do a wrap up with B.

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» I just wanted to add that I was just

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there today and the parking is I've

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never had a trouble getting parking and

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I was there at 2:15. So that's a busy

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time. And and another thing is is that

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they have an after hours clinic that

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runs Monday to Thursday and then

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Saturday morning. So I mean it would be

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nice if they could have it open up but

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unfortunately a lot of dogs come day off

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too.

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Is that a high chest dog? If so, at this

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time I'm going to invite staff and the

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applicants the agent um to come forward

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and if there's any final comments or

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rest question that has come forward

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questions

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uh to your worship all points and some

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of those points will be addressed in the

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subsequent recommendation report and uh

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regarding

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parking. I may not be able to give the

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exact number of parking space parking

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space is required but those those

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concerns will be addressed during site

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plan application or site plan real

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estate

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council

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parking and they're actually adding one

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new ones in the new section. Yes.

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» Thank you, councelor Henderson. And at

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this stage, if there's nothing further

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for the planner, I'm going to invite

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Miss Richards back if uh she has

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anything to add before

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close this.

557
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,480
» I think it was mostly addressed, but um

558
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:33,200
but I just wanted to add that the

559
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:36,400
current is at seven spaces and we have

560
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:39,600
will have 10 um as a part of this this.

561
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So um and the other the other vice

562
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,039
unfortunately I can't I can't really

563
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:44,480
control the clinics hours. So that's

564
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:47,279
certainly something that I can go back

565
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:51,679
to open

566
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:52,480
comments are always so thank you.

567
00:27:51,679 --> 00:27:52,799
» Thank you very much.

568
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,320
» Thank you.

569
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:55,520
» I think the other thing was solar

570
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,399
panels.

571
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,399
» Um yeah I I would take that back to the

572
00:27:58,399 --> 00:28:02,480
applicant to to speak to him about that.

573
00:28:00,399 --> 00:28:04,240
Um, right now it's my I my understanding

574
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,919
that it's not necessarily a requirement,

575
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,399
but I do understand that the city's

576
00:28:05,919 --> 00:28:09,919
choppers will be save money. Yeah. No,

577
00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:12,919
thank you. Absolutely. I can certainly

578
00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:12,919
talk

579
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:19,039
for the

580
00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:21,120
city. Thank you very much.

581
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:23,200
So, the city intends to consider this

582
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:25,279
application at a future council meeting

583
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,600
where members will have an opportunity

584
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:29,679
for full discussion. and it would be

585
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,720
acknowledged to be received with the

586
00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:34,960
public sign. If anyone would like to

587
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:38,320
receive further notice of this matter,

588
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:40,320
please email clerks.ca.

589
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:43,039
A video of this meeting will be posted

590
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:45,760
to the city's website and this public

591
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:47,279
meeting is adjourned.

592
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,039
Turn it back to you.

593
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:51,679
» So through your work, returning to your

594
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:53,919
regular council agenda, item 6.2 Two is

595
00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:55,120
adjourned to another public meeting and

596
00:28:53,919 --> 00:28:56,640
there is a motion that the council

597
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,000
meeting adjourn to public meeting to

598
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,760
hear from members of the public with

599
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,640
respect to the official plan review of

600
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:06,440
session paper 4 to growing city

601
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,440
following the public meeting

602
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:14,720
» By councelor niger second by councel

603
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:18,480
discussion not all in favor

604
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,480
of any that's unanimous and

605
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:24,240
So the purpose of this meeting is to

606
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,919
give council and the public an

607
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,840
opportunity to hear all interested

608
00:29:25,919 --> 00:29:30,720
persons with respect to the official

609
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:33,679
panel review discussion paper for a

610
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:37,520
growing city. The order of procedure for

611
00:29:33,679 --> 00:29:39,919
this meeting will be as follows. Eric

612
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:43,120
Bin Carbon

613
00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:44,880
of uh Watson and Associates will present

614
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,120
a discussion paper on behalf of the

615
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,760
city. Council may ask questions for the

616
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:52,640
purpose of clarifying the applicant but

617
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:55,600
are cautioned not to make comment nor to

618
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,840
take a position on the official plan at

619
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,679
this meeting. Then the public will be

620
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,919
asked for their presentation to comments

621
00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:04,240
and questions. Questions and comments

622
00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:06,480
should be planning related and respect

623
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,880
to all council staff and members of the

624
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,480
public. If a member of the public is

625
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,080
interested in providing comments or

626
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,120
question, please raise your hand at the

627
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:17,520
appropriate time and once acknowledged

628
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,520
proceed to the podium by exiting the

629
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,799
main chamber doors and walking around to

630
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:25,200
the side door at the podium. The public

631
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:27,440
is also advised that comments expressed

632
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,520
and written materials presented are a

633
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,159
matter of public record for full

634
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:35,520
disclosure. Are there any questions as

635
00:30:32,159 --> 00:30:37,919
to this order of procedure?

636
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,919
Seeing none, we will now proceed with

637
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:43,440
public

638
00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:46,440
invite presenter forward.

639
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,440
This

640
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:51,279
you worship as part of the city's

641
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,480
ongoing official plan review staff are

642
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:54,480
pleased to introduce the final

643
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,559
discussion paper entitled the broad

644
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,039
city. This evening's discussions intend

645
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:01,440
to support information sharing council

646
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,960
discussion and early public input. No

647
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,880
decisions are being requested or made

648
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,559
this evening. This paper considers how

649
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,279
strap would be responsive with land to

650
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:11,279
accommodate future growth. A key

651
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:13,520
component of this work is the land needs

652
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:15,520
assessment. It addresses the land supply

653
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,720
and support projected growth while

654
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,960
considering the city's existing

655
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,440
circumstance circumstances and broader

656
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,279
application to assist council in

657
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:26,480
understanding this work. The city plan

658
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:28,799
consulted WSB Washington Associates

659
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,600
undertake the land use needs assessment.

660
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:33,840
I would now like to invite Eric

661
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,480
Bermanent Watson and Associates to

662
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,159
provide a presentation following the

663
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,480
staff and consultant team will be

664
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:42,720
available to respond to council's

665
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,480
questions from here in public. Thank

666
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,960
you.

667
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,960
That includes details.

668
00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:52,559
» Thank you very much worship members of

669
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:55,519
council. It's a pleasure to be here. I'm

670
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:57,440
Eric Carbon representing

671
00:31:55,519 --> 00:32:00,480
Watson and associates here this evening.

672
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:04,279
on this very important uh study growing

673
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,279
city discussion paper

674
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:13,760
go uh so

675
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:17,919
back in the spring um

676
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:21,120
LSP was here at Matt Alexander from that

677
00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:23,840
firm presented the four uh applied

678
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:26,880
discussion papers cultural city a green

679
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:30,720
city a connected and mobile city and a

680
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:33,279
sustainable cities. Now, uh this is the

681
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:36,720
fifth uh of those discussion papers of

682
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:39,360
growing city as prepared by Watson and

683
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:43,320
Associates of Congress is the the focus

684
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,320
for speaking this presentation.

685
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:49,039
So ultimately what this study is really

686
00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:51,519
all about is to help us understand how

687
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:53,200
Stratford has grown over the years and

688
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:54,640
how it will continue to grow in the

689
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,480
coming decades.

690
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,960
uh it's intended to provide clear

691
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,880
direction on where and how growth should

692
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,320
occur in Stratford over the next 30

693
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:06,320
years and that's going out to the year

694
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:10,240
206. So again, we're thinking long term

695
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:12,880
here in terms of future future needs. Uh

696
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,960
we're really looking at uh the ability

697
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,519
for Stratford to accommodate long-term

698
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,080
growth potential land needs uh over that

699
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:21,600
30-year period in accordance with the

700
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,679
provincial planning statement which

701
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,880
requires municipalities to plan for a

702
00:33:23,679 --> 00:33:29,039
mix and range of uses and and land

703
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,640
requirements throughout the 30-year

704
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:34,159
period for both residential and

705
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:36,320
non-residential uh uses. As part of this

706
00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:38,880
effort, we're also have provided an

707
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:41,120
employment area review uh consistent

708
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:44,159
with the MPS

709
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,159
uh which basically requires us to uh

710
00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:49,120
accommodate and focus on more industrial

711
00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:51,120
type versus employment area lands as

712
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,559
opposed to other types of uses. So I'll

713
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,399
get into that a little bit further in

714
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:57,760
the presentation. [clears throat] And

715
00:33:54,399 --> 00:34:00,320
the intent really of this uh report is

716
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,399
to support the city in planning uh for a

717
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,799
sufficient range of mix of land uses to

718
00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:07,440
meet future population housing and

719
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:12,679
employment needs and again over that

720
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:12,679
longterm 30-year planning horizon.

721
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:25,839
Sorry.

722
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:27,679
Um so in terms of uh looking at growth

723
00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:30,320
and change in the community, Stratford

724
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:31,839
is not an island. Um and so it's really

725
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,560
important to take a step back and look

726
00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:37,760
at it through a broader context. And we

727
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:41,200
are living in a world of a lot of change

728
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:43,599
u turbulence uh and obviously a lot of

729
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,599
issues that are creating headwinds

730
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:47,839
especially economically related to

731
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:50,320
trade, tensions, geopolitical risks,

732
00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:52,560
inflation, changes in technology. We

733
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,240
hear about this every day. um and how

734
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:58,000
they're creating disruptions in terms of

735
00:34:54,240 --> 00:35:00,640
how we live, work, and and play. Um and

736
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,520
while there are near-term economic

737
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,599
uncertainty and headwinds, the long-term

738
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,280
regional growth outlook remains very

739
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:13,040
positive, including for the city of

740
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:17,119
Stratford. Um migration to Canada, uh to

741
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:19,599
Ontario, um and locally is expected to

742
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:22,960
remain strong and be a key driver of

743
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:22,960
population growth.

744
00:35:24,844 --> 00:35:29,359
» [clears throat]

745
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,119
» Um, and this is going to be important to

746
00:35:29,359 --> 00:35:34,800
continue to grow the local labor force

747
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:37,440
pool as well. We also recognize that

748
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:40,160
like most communities and in Canada,

749
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:43,359
Stratford has an aging population. Um

750
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:45,599
and this will uh require uh you know

751
00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:47,280
diverse range of housing to accommodate

752
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:49,280
you know an aging population over the

753
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,699
coming decades as well as uh new

754
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,760
residents moving into the community.

755
00:35:51,699 --> 00:35:56,640
[clears throat] We're also facing a

756
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,400
range of of change as I mentioned

757
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,680
earlier with respect to e-commerce,

758
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,680
logistics, automation, AI and green

759
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,920
technology and even how we've worked

760
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,720
especially in a postcoid environment

761
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:11,359
which are reshaping uh employment and

762
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:14,520
landing particularly for non-residential

763
00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:14,520
uh sectors.

764
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,800
Sure.

765
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,280
» So hopefully everybody can see the

766
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:36,640
screen. Okay, that's better now. Um, so

767
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,320
you know, any study like this where

768
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,119
we're looking at growth and looking at

769
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,119
the future, it's important to uh also

770
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:45,760
look at how the city has changed over

771
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:48,640
the past uh 20 years. Um, and

772
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:52,079
Stratford's population uh has increased

773
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:55,040
particularly uh since 2016. And so up

774
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:57,520
until 2016, your population growth was

775
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,760
was fairly modest. And since that time,

776
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,599
you've seen quite an increase in in

777
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,760
population growth, [clears throat] uh,

778
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:06,560
which has accelerated significantly

779
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:10,320
since 2021. And we have to about an

780
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:12,960
estimated 37,200 people in 2026, which

781
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:16,000
represents roughly 10% increase in just

782
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,680
the last 5 years.

783
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,599
And this is important because we

784
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,839
recognize that the city is expected to

785
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:24,000
continue to see population growth in the

786
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:26,960
future. Uh and we'll discuss that in

787
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:30,640
more detail

788
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:32,560
of it's important when we look at uh

789
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,280
population growth to also understand

790
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,640
historical housing growth trends in

791
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,880
terms of it. If you have population

792
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,520
growth, you need to have housing to

793
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:44,240
accommodate uh residents. And you can

794
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,880
see from this bar chart that the city's

795
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:50,000
housing base of about 16,000 housing

796
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:54,640
units uh has grown significantly over

797
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:56,320
the past uh decade. Um it is largely uh

798
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,599
great related to housing in terms of the

799
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:02,400
existing base. So about every uh two and

800
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:03,920
three houses are low density uh in the

801
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,240
city. So this would be in single

802
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,640
detached and detached types. But what

803
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:10,560
we've seen over the past decade uh that

804
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,320
housing mix is becoming more diverse

805
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,320
with an increasing share of higher

806
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,800
density housings representing a much

807
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:19,119
larger share of the total. So over the

808
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:22,000
last 5 years for example of the housing

809
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:25,359
growth about 73% was of medium and high

810
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:27,920
density. So this would be town houses um

811
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:31,359
apartments lowrise and mid-rise those

812
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:33,760
types of dwelling units. As an important

813
00:38:31,359 --> 00:38:35,839
uh when looking at housing and planning

814
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,760
for housing, the city continues to

815
00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:39,680
support a range of housing products by

816
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,480
location, density, type and

817
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,800
affordability including tenure. Um so

818
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,119
ownership and rental uh especially

819
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,920
because we see such significant change

820
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:53,960
with respect to demographics um and the

821
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,960
J population need.

822
00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:00,720
Now, it's important when we're looking

823
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,599
at a growth study of this nature to also

824
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:05,359
focus on one residential sector. It's a

825
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:08,320
really important part of your local

826
00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:10,720
economy. Um, and so we've looked at uh

827
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:14,000
the city's employment profile and recent

828
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:17,359
growth trends and the city that

829
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,599
employment basis is just around 23,700

830
00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:22,320
jobs. And those are basically places of

831
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:24,400
work that are located physically um here

832
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:27,599
in in Stratford. And you can see from

833
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:30,720
the pie chart here that a little over

834
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:33,359
half of those jobs are in three key

835
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:36,160
sectors. Manufacturing, healthcare, and

836
00:39:33,359 --> 00:39:38,240
social assistance and and retail trade.

837
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,400
And what this really represents is you

838
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:42,320
have a very diverse employment base

839
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,640
represented by a range of industrial,

840
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,720
commercial, uh, and institutional

841
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,160
sectors. And employment growth has

842
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:50,480
actually been quite strong here in

843
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,742
Stratford coming out of COVID where

844
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,280
you've seen about a 10% increase in

845
00:39:52,742 --> 00:39:58,000
[clears throat] jobs locally uh since uh

846
00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:00,560
since that time. Now you've also seen a

847
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,520
fairly healthy amount of indust uh of

848
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:06,320
non-residential development activity uh

849
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:09,359
but the large share of that about 82%

850
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,440
uh of of new GFA or gross floor area uh

851
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:13,680
development has been uh within the

852
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,680
industrial sector and industrial type

853
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,680
developments.

854
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:23,200
So um this is documented in a lot of

855
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,200
detail in the study uh but we also

856
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,040
provided a bit of a profile on

857
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,440
employment and commercial areas in in

858
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,920
the city and they're important part of

859
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,680
the community's economic base. Uh we

860
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,680
have two active employment areas. So

861
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,480
these are areas that uh largely

862
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,480
accommodate in industrial uses uh with

863
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,119
respect to the to the right business

864
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,200
park as well as the crane west uh

865
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:48,960
business park. Uh and then of course you

866
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:51,119
have a very um vibrant downtown core and

867
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:54,079
commercial modes and corridors which

868
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:55,599
help support uh many commercial related

869
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:58,079
uh sectors and businesses in the

870
00:40:55,599 --> 00:41:00,800
community. What's very interesting about

871
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:02,560
the employment lands side of the

872
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,119
discussion and this again is largely

873
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:08,400
related to industrial development is uh

874
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:10,240
the relatively limited supply of of

875
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,400
employment land that's available for

876
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:14,720
development and the relatively low

877
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,520
vacancy rate. uh in the industrial

878
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:19,200
sector at 1.1% which is significantly

879
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,280
lower than the neighboring

880
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:25,280
municipalities such as Kitchener Walker

881
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:27,680
Lew for example. Um and so it's

882
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,680
important that as we look at planning

883
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,160
for the future that we continue to

884
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:34,720
support uh and foster development in

885
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:39,240
both uh industrial and commercial

886
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:39,240
sectors of the local economy.

887
00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:44,960
So it's important when doing a land need

888
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:47,119
study uh when looking at the context of

889
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,599
of growth and how to accommodate growth

890
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:51,599
to look at where will future development

891
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:53,920
both residential and non-residential be

892
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:55,920
accommodated uh within the city and

893
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,640
thankfully the Stratford has a range of

894
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,240
opportunities to accommodate uh both

895
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,640
residential and non-residential

896
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:04,800
development both through intensification

897
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,280
and infill within your existing builtup

898
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,440
areas but also through new green field

899
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:13,040
development. And uh we've identified

900
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:15,839
through this work that um Stratford has

901
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:18,240
the ability to accommodate about 8,500

902
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:20,000
housing units within its builtup area

903
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:22,240
and also designated growth area

904
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,640
locations with a very healthy mix of

905
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:26,720
low, medium and high density housing. So

906
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,560
we're looking at a mix of great related

907
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:31,680
housing such as single semi- detached

908
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:34,480
town houses, uh stack town houses as

909
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:36,800
well as a part of the lowrise, midrise.

910
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:40,880
Um so quite a diverse range of housing

911
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:43,440
opportunities. With respect to um uh

912
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:46,000
vacant employment and commercial land uh

913
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,680
those that supply is more limited. Um

914
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,920
for vacant employment land we've

915
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,640
identified about 160 net hectares of

916
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,640
land available for for development. Um

917
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,359
and with respect to vacant commercial

918
00:42:54,640 --> 00:43:01,400
mixed use land supply is even smaller at

919
00:42:57,359 --> 00:43:01,400
only six net hectors.

920
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:07,040
So with this in mind, uh, one of the key

921
00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:09,040
parts of this deliverable was a

922
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,520
long-term population housing and

923
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:14,560
employment forecast looking at the year

924
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:17,280
2026 through 206

925
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,760
uh, in accordance with the 30-year um,

926
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,880
planning horizon.

927
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:25,920
Now in undertaking any type of road

928
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,839
forecasting um beyond the technical work

929
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,079
which involves a range of demographic

930
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:31,520
and economic modeling it's important to

931
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:33,760
really understand what are those two

932
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:36,319
growth drivers and agents of change in a

933
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,079
community such as Stratford both

934
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:40,480
regionally and locally and how that will

935
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:42,960
influence and impact growth over the

936
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,880
coming decades. So there's a number of

937
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,240
things here to consider. One is regional

938
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,960
economic development and the

939
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:51,599
opportunities um within the region and

940
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:54,960
locally to accommodate a range of of new

941
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:56,880
employment sectors as well as new uh new

942
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,960
residents and how that will drive demand

943
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,640
for both residential and non-residential

944
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,520
space.

945
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:05,680
Uh we also have opportunities in sectors

946
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,920
like tourism which will continue to

947
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:10,400
drive certain aspects of the local

948
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:13,920
economy uh which is very important to

949
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,359
Stratford. Um obviously quality place is

950
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,680
important in terms of attracting

951
00:44:15,359 --> 00:44:20,880
businesses to the community here as well

952
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:23,839
as new residents. Many of that uh the

953
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:26,240
population growth will be driven by um

954
00:44:23,839 --> 00:44:28,160
net migration as I mentioned earlier

955
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:30,880
which is going to be a key source of

956
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,440
population and working age uh population

957
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,920
growth. And then we also recognize that

958
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,839
with technological change, there's going

959
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:42,000
to be, you know, continued opportunities

960
00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:44,480
for hybrid work um and and other sort of

961
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:47,040
factors which influence how people work

962
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,119
versus where they reside as well as

963
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,440
automation and AI for example that are

964
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:53,680
reshaping employment patterns uh which

965
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,520
impacts job requirements and employment

966
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:59,319
space needs which is quite important in

967
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,319
doing land use needs assessment.

968
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:06,079
So part of um looking at potential

969
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:08,079
growth in a city like Stratford, we have

970
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:11,119
to first look at it more from a regional

971
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:13,599
lens. Um and this is actually u now a

972
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:15,760
requirement by the province uh to look

973
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:18,400
at your community within a a census

974
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,160
division level which in this case is is

975
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,000
Perth County. So if you look at Perth

976
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,240
County as a census division that

977
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,760
includes all the area municipalities as

978
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:29,280
well as the single tiers including

979
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:31,040
Stratford and and St. areas. Um so these

980
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,520
are included in in the Ministry of

981
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,280
Finance population projections. And so

982
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:38,079
this is a starting point for us to kind

983
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:40,480
of understand um you know that regional

984
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:42,880
population growth picture and how that

985
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,280
sort of will impact or influence our

986
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:48,480
growth outlook at a local level. You can

987
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:51,280
see from this graph uh quite a signific

988
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:54,640
significant increase with respect to

989
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,800
population growth uh for the county

990
00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:01,440
census division growing from about

991
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:06,240
85,000 people in 2021 to about 121,700

992
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:08,240
by 201 represents over a um you know 50%

993
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:10,640
increase over that time period. And

994
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:12,240
what's interesting is these population

995
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,760
projections that are compared by

996
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:16,640
Ministry of Finance, they're released

997
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:19,440
annually. Um and so if you look back at

998
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:23,520
same projections from 5 years ago in

999
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:25,520
2021, um the growth rate uh was notably

1000
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,520
lower than it is based on the latest

1001
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:30,480
available data.

1002
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:33,200
So based on the province's projections,

1003
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,680
um this regional area is in this heat um

1004
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:39,440
notable growth uh with growth rate of

1005
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:42,839
averaging about 1.2%. 2% um between 2021

1006
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,839
and 2021.

1007
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:48,240
So keeping that in mind along with the

1008
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:51,280
growth drivers and those broader um

1009
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:53,520
trends that I've discussed, the graph

1010
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:56,000
here essentially illustrates our

1011
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:58,480
population forecast for the city. Uh,

1012
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,400
and so we anticipate that Stratler's

1013
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:03,599
population base will increase from about

1014
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:07,359
37,200 in 2026

1015
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:10,000
to just under 53,000 by 206. This

1016
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:14,000
represents about a 42%

1017
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:16,000
increase um in in the population over

1018
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:20,480
that time period. That's about a little

1019
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:23,119
over 15,500 new residents uh coming to

1020
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,520
Stratford over the next 30 years. um and

1021
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:29,200
a significantly higher growth rate, a

1022
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:31,040
1.2% average annual uh metric over the

1023
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:34,560
next 30 years compared to the historical

1024
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:37,920
average in 2006 to 2021 where the

1025
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,599
average growth rate was only 0.4%. So

1026
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,920
what we anticipate is that the recent

1027
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:43,599
growth you've seen in the community over

1028
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,240
the last 5 to 10 years that will

1029
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:48,319
continue uh in the coming decades al

1030
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:50,800
that growth rate will start to slow

1031
00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:53,040
during the latter half of the forecast

1032
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:56,960
period.

1033
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:58,160
So um when we look at growth, population

1034
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,440
growth, you essentially have two

1035
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:03,040
buckets. You can only grow your

1036
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:04,720
population base in two ways. Um you have

1037
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,319
natural increase which looks to be

1038
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:10,560
difference between births plus less

1039
00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:12,400
deaths or then migration. Um however,

1040
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,720
similar to other communities in Ontario

1041
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,079
and Canada with an aging population, the

1042
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:17,520
natural increase will actually be

1043
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:19,680
negative [clears throat] in the forecast

1044
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:22,000
period, which means that um there's

1045
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,839
going to be more deaths and births over

1046
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,640
that 30-year planning horizon. So, in

1047
00:48:23,839 --> 00:48:30,640
order to hit population numbers, you

1048
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:33,119
will need to rely on net migration uh to

1049
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:36,480
quite a significant degree in order to

1050
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:38,240
uh see growth. And we see that that is

1051
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,400
expected to happen mainly because of the

1052
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:42,800
strong net migration numbers not just

1053
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,960
from international sources but also

1054
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,240
within the province especially people

1055
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,883
who are interested in moving to

1056
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:48,720
Stratford from other communities

1057
00:48:47,883 --> 00:48:51,280
[clears throat] especially in the

1058
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:54,400
greater Toronto area uh and other areas

1059
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:57,359
of the greater portion.

1060
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:59,040
So this graph here presents um the age

1061
00:48:57,359 --> 00:49:01,520
structure forecast. So basically looking

1062
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,599
at age cohorts uh historical and

1063
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,920
forecast to see how the age structure

1064
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:09,200
was expected to change. Um and you can

1065
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:11,599
see that um the older population groups

1066
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:14,559
especially those above the age of 65

1067
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:16,880
will remain relatively uh significant

1068
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:19,280
but a lot of the change in growth in

1069
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:24,079
your population base will be in that 45

1070
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:26,480
to 54 and 55 to 64 age group. Albeit

1071
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:30,800
you'll see growth in in all major

1072
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:32,640
cohorts over that three-year period.

1073
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,480
Now, as I mentioned earlier with

1074
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,480
population growth, you need housing for

1075
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,559
quality, new residents, and new

1076
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,880
population. So, this figure here

1077
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:43,680
presents our housing forecast. Total

1078
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,839
housing growth of about 7,200 units over

1079
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:49,119
the next 30 years. that represents an

1080
00:49:45,839 --> 00:49:51,040
average of about 240 units a year. Um,

1081
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:54,640
which is normally higher than the than

1082
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:56,319
the 20-year average of 154 units a year.

1083
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,960
Um, and that housing index is going to

1084
00:49:56,319 --> 00:50:01,680
be fairly diverse. So, of that 7,200

1085
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,520
units, we would expect that about 31%

1086
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,960
will be low density. So, stables to

1087
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:11,040
semi- detached, about 22% being townous,

1088
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:14,480
and about 47% be uh apartments, lowrise,

1089
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:17,200
mid-rise, possibly some high-rise. um

1090
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:20,400
and other sort of forms of of sort of

1091
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:24,200
apartment dwellings such as uh stack

1092
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,200
town houses for example.

1093
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,119
So uh as part of the growth forecasting

1094
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:32,240
we also prepared an employment forecast.

1095
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:34,400
Um again this is going to be uh based on

1096
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:36,559
the same planning horizon uh with the

1097
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,240
same assumptions on on population

1098
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:40,880
growth. You can see that we have the

1099
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:42,480
employment forecast increasing the sorry

1100
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:47,119
the employment base increasing from

1101
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:50,800
about 23,700 in 2026 to about 32,000. In

1102
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:55,040
206 that's an increase of about 35%

1103
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:57,119
overall an increase in about 80,300 jobs

1104
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,200
uh increase over that 30-year period

1105
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,960
which is which is quite significant. And

1106
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,880
so this helps demonstrate sort of a

1107
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,359
healthy balance in in growth between

1108
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,680
population and and employment which is

1109
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:10,960
important.

1110
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:14,400
In terms of what those uh jobs are of

1111
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:16,640
that over 8,000 new uh jobs, you can see

1112
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,880
it's represented by a range of sectors

1113
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,440
including industrial represented by

1114
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,119
about 39%. So this would include sectors

1115
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,599
like manufacturing and warehousing,

1116
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:28,400
transportation, logistics, construction,

1117
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:30,559
utilities, uh commercial population

1118
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,800
related about 27%. So this would be

1119
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:35,680
retail trade, food and accommodation,

1120
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:38,000
mercy services, those types of sectors.

1121
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:40,079
institutional level of 22% so this would

1122
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,960
be health care, social services,

1123
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:44,960
education, uh government service and

1124
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,760
then we also have two small categories

1125
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:50,559
work at home uh 6% so this would be

1126
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:54,160
again jobs that are entirely um remote

1127
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:56,480
and work at home and then 6% uh no fixed

1128
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,400
place of work then at P which is

1129
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,200
basically people who don't have like a

1130
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:03,280
place of employment Monday or like a

1131
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,720
regular day-to-day basis so just you

1132
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,680
know truck drivers and school bus

1133
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:09,119
drivers

1134
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:11,200
um people of that nature.

1135
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:13,119
So I mentioned earlier that part of our

1136
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:16,880
analysis we also undertook an employment

1137
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:19,359
area review. Um this is important

1138
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,440
because we needed to review and update

1139
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:23,280
strategy for employment land inventory

1140
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,119
and review sites in accordance with the

1141
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,720
new definition of employment areas. I

1142
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:28,960
mentioned the the new provincial

1143
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:30,800
planning statement which identifies

1144
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,839
essentially that employment areas should

1145
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:36,000
be accommodating industrial type sectors

1146
00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:38,240
as opposed to other types of sectors in

1147
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,079
in an economy. Um and so it was

1148
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:44,160
important for us to identify site by

1149
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:46,640
sight um basically lands whether they at

1150
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:49,200
least like those that are developed u

1151
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:51,599
that conform with this new definition

1152
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:54,640
i.e fit that definition of industrial

1153
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:56,319
type uh uses or if they're

1154
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,960
non-conforming

1155
00:52:56,319 --> 00:53:01,280
um meaning they don't align with the TPS

1156
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:04,400
definition and of those non-conforming

1157
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:06,480
sites if certain sites should be uh

1158
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:09,359
removed uh from an employment lands

1159
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:13,920
designation into some other type of land

1160
00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:16,480
use designation. Um the term removals

1161
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:20,079
used to be called conversions. Um so

1162
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:22,800
it's very similar. Um so in terms of

1163
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:25,359
looking at this uh in in terms of the

1164
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,839
removals criteria uh we've looked at

1165
00:53:25,359 --> 00:53:30,160
this within the context of you know

1166
00:53:27,839 --> 00:53:32,480
provincial criteria which is you know

1167
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,480
essentially provided to us uh by the

1168
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,839
province and then also looking at it

1169
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:40,160
through a local um supplement to read

1170
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:42,400
sort of criteria range which is also

1171
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,960
important so that you know effective

1172
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,800
decisions can be made in this regard and

1173
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,359
what's really important here is that

1174
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:52,160
this discussion needs to be done within

1175
00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:56,000
the context of long-term employment plan

1176
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:58,160
needs um which sort of balances between

1177
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:01,440
planning policy and forecast growth

1178
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:04,880
needs. So those core principles uh

1179
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:07,359
related to employment area uh removals

1180
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:10,079
uh the two uh points of direction from

1181
00:54:07,359 --> 00:54:12,800
the province are the need to protect

1182
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:14,480
employment areas um especially those

1183
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,319
located in proximity to major

1184
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,760
transportation corridors and goods

1185
00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:20,000
movement infrastructure. So major

1186
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,319
highways, rail corridors, that type of

1187
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,079
thing. And also when looking at

1188
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:26,720
potential removals to prevent

1189
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:29,440
fragmentation of contiguous employment

1190
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:31,359
area. So the idea is that while I like

1191
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,200
Swiss cheese, I don't want to create

1192
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:35,119
employment areas that have holes in them

1193
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,800
and they look like Swiss cheese. So the

1194
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:40,960
idea is want to have continuous

1195
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:44,319
employment areas um uh in in in planning

1196
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:48,000
uh for for employment uses.

1197
00:54:44,319 --> 00:54:50,640
So some secondary criteria u that was

1198
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,880
considered in our analysis um and

1199
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:55,119
basically it's sort of a a left and

1200
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,359
right discussion related to retaining or

1201
00:54:55,119 --> 00:55:01,680
removing or redesating. You want to be

1202
00:54:57,359 --> 00:55:03,839
able to retain poor industrial clusters.

1203
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,359
Professional removals or redesinations

1204
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:08,079
should focus on uses that are

1205
00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:11,040
predominantly commercial or office type

1206
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:15,119
uses in nature um or maybe institutional

1207
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:17,280
type uses. Um you want to retain uh uses

1208
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:18,559
within employment areas that are goods

1209
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,559
movement and trans and have

1210
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:23,440
transportation access. You want to

1211
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:26,160
remove uses that are located in

1212
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:30,058
residential or mixeduse locations. You

1213
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:31,920
want to retain um employment uses in

1214
00:55:30,058 --> 00:55:34,240
[clears throat] areas that are part of

1215
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,400
larger continuous employment sites.

1216
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:38,720
Again, if there's an opportunity or a

1217
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,800
need to remove those sites that are

1218
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:44,240
fragmented or isolated, which don't meet

1219
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:46,960
the definition under the PPS. Uh we also

1220
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:49,040
want to retain sites that have strong

1221
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,440
industrial development potential. So

1222
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:53,359
again, marketable for industrial uses.

1223
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,599
uh if they have very limited industrial

1224
00:55:53,359 --> 00:55:57,680
functionality or marketability for

1225
00:55:55,599 --> 00:56:00,880
industrial uses, perhaps they should be

1226
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:02,880
redesated to another use. And finally,

1227
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:05,520
uh you should retain employment land

1228
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:08,880
sites uh if they serve a long-term

1229
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,720
industrial liability uh and as opposed

1230
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,960
to perhaps those sites that may be

1231
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:15,359
better suited to to accommodate other

1232
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,680
types of functions uh should be

1233
00:56:15,359 --> 00:56:19,280
recommended for removal. So again, this

1234
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,119
gives you an idea of sort of the thought

1235
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,920
process when we undertook our

1236
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:26,240
evaluation. So these two maps here

1237
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,400
represent the two main employment areas

1238
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:30,400
within the city of Stratford. So you

1239
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,640
have the area in the southwest and then

1240
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:35,599
the area on the east side of of the

1241
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:37,760
city. Um the the purple lands are the

1242
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:41,520
lands that have been identified uh to

1243
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:44,079
remain uh employment area based on um

1244
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:46,880
you know this analysis. The lands that

1245
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:49,760
are shown in in this orange color are

1246
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,520
sites that essentially uh are

1247
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,599
non-conforming and we would recommend

1248
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:56,240
for removal based on the criteria that I

1249
00:56:53,599 --> 00:57:00,079
mentioned earlier. So on the map on the

1250
00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:02,319
on the left side um I guess in total

1251
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:04,240
there's about 40 hectares of developed

1252
00:57:02,319 --> 00:57:06,400
land that we're recommending for Google

1253
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:08,720
and about two hectares of land that are

1254
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:11,359
critically vacated just for context. So

1255
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:13,440
this represents about 7% of the entire

1256
00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:16,079
employment land space of recommended

1257
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:19,599
removal as shown in the orange sheet. So

1258
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:24,640
the major pockets here include um large

1259
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:28,079
contiguous uh lands that are fronting um

1260
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:30,799
Eerie Street between embro and Lauren

1261
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:33,440
Avenue east. And then there's also a

1262
00:57:30,799 --> 00:57:36,079
small pocket of parcels on the west side

1263
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:39,280
of Erie Street north of Lauren um in and

1264
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:41,920
around Mont Keith Avenue, Jarvis Street.

1265
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:44,079
Uh again, some of those parcels are are

1266
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,839
quite fragmented. Um and so we're

1267
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:48,319
recommending those for removal. So those

1268
00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:51,040
are the two areas in the map on the

1269
00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:55,520
left. On the map on the east on sorry

1270
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:57,680
east on the right it includes um the the

1271
00:57:55,520 --> 00:58:04,079
parcels on the northwest corner of

1272
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:05,599
Lauren Avenue and um uh down. Thank you.

1273
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:08,400
Knew I knew I was going to trip up on

1274
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:10,319
that. Um so those are kind of largely

1275
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,400
comprised of auto dealerships and other

1276
00:58:10,319 --> 00:58:14,720
sort of commercial uses. There's also a

1277
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:18,319
small segment on the west side along

1278
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:19,599
Northolk Street um on north of on the

1279
00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:21,280
north side of North Folk Street that

1280
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:23,119
we're also recommending for removal.

1281
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,359
It's includes a veterinary clinic and a

1282
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:28,079
few other commercial uses. Um and then

1283
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:31,359
in the northwest side of that east area

1284
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:33,920
map um you have the the recruit factory

1285
00:58:31,359 --> 00:58:36,000
uh old factory lands uh which we would

1286
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:40,319
also be recommending for removal as well

1287
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:44,640
as lands along nuro uh east and west of

1288
00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:46,480
of uh of King Street uh which includes a

1289
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,559
site on the east side which is largely

1290
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,880
medical and professional offices and

1291
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:53,440
then on the west side on the north side

1292
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,720
of Doro Street uh which is comprises

1293
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:58,000
some legacy

1294
00:58:54,720 --> 00:59:00,799
uh industrial uh buildings and um

1295
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:03,680
including the Stratford festival

1296
00:59:00,799 --> 00:59:06,319
um main and storage facilities that are

1297
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:09,319
located uh in one of the key properties

1298
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:09,319
there.

1299
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:13,680
Okay, so now we're going to get to the

1300
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,200
fun stuff, the landing assessment. Um

1301
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:18,000
sort of building on the growth forecast

1302
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:19,440
that I presented um the land supply and

1303
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,359
the opportunities that accommodate

1304
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:24,079
future growth. Obviously taking into

1305
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:26,720
account the employment area review and

1306
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:29,040
conformity analysis we undertook. Um

1307
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:31,280
this is now looking at the ability for

1308
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:35,200
Bradford to meet its its its future

1309
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:37,040
growth needs. So future housing needs uh

1310
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:41,520
has been looked at basically through two

1311
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:44,720
two lenses. Um the first is the PPS for

1312
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:47,280
planning stadium um test of threeyear

1313
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,280
and 15ear supply. So basically it's

1314
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,799
saying okay if you have enough sort of

1315
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,680
near-term

1316
00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:55,839
uh residential supply versus longerterm

1317
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:58,000
supply citywide to accommodate growth

1318
00:59:55,839 --> 01:00:00,160
over a three year and a 15 year period

1319
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,799
and you have to look at that by low

1320
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,480
medium and high dense and we included

1321
01:00:02,799 --> 01:00:06,640
from that analysis which is in the

1322
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,799
report that this that Stratford has

1323
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:12,079
sufficient supply to accommodate growth

1324
01:00:08,799 --> 01:00:14,400
for both of those periods. So that test

1325
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:16,720
is passed if you will and as in

1326
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,640
accordance with the PPS. Um what I

1327
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,720
wanted to focus on in the slide here is

1328
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,720
more on that long-term version of Brian

1329
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:24,720
Verizon because this is really looking

1330
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:27,520
at the ability for Stratford to

1331
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:32,319
long-term um green field development and

1332
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:35,119
growth. Um so the new provincial um

1333
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:37,280
methodology guidelines um essentially

1334
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:39,760
say that you have to look first at your

1335
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:42,880
overall growth in housing which is about

1336
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,640
7,200 units over the next 30 years and

1337
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,839
to first identify how much of that

1338
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,760
future growth is going to be

1339
01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:50,880
accommodated within your buildup area.

1340
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:53,920
So this would be within your existing um

1341
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,760
neighborhoods within nodes and corridors

1342
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,920
within your downtown areas essentially

1343
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:00,720
accommodated through intensification

1344
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:02,720
infill and redevelopment. And so we've

1345
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:05,119
gone through a fair amount of exercise

1346
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:07,119
to understand this and we've identified

1347
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:08,640
that over the next 30 years that about

1348
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:12,000
34%

1349
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:13,599
of that forecast housing growth 7,200

1350
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,000
units will be accommodated through the

1351
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:20,160
buildout area. So that means that the

1352
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:22,559
other 2/3 about 66% or 4,780 units would

1353
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,799
be accommodated within designated growth

1354
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:26,640
areas i.e. greenfield development. So

1355
01:01:24,799 --> 01:01:29,200
these would be in areas of you know new

1356
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:31,520
plans of subdivision uh essentially you

1357
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:33,440
know future growth areas uh that type of

1358
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:35,520
thing. And so this is important because

1359
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,920
then when we look at that ability to

1360
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:41,599
accommodate the 4,700

1361
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:44,000
units uh in in in designated growth

1362
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:47,520
areas, this figure here essentially

1363
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:50,400
says, okay, we know how much of that

1364
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:52,319
forecast growth uh we anticipate by

1365
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:55,520
housing by low, medium, and high

1366
01:01:52,319 --> 01:01:57,280
density. We know the supply potential as

1367
01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:00,240
I mentioned and talked about earlier

1368
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:02,880
within those same green field locations

1369
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,720
to identify that over the next 30 years.

1370
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:07,440
Do we have enough do we have enough

1371
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:10,000
supply to accommodate future growth and

1372
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:12,079
the overall finding is that yes Bradford

1373
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,319
has sufficient supply to accommodate

1374
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:18,079
forecast growth for all three housing

1375
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:20,400
types. Now the surplus by 206 is

1376
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:23,200
relatively healthy for medium and high

1377
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:26,960
density. for low density the surplus is

1378
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:29,440
relatively small only 20 units by 206.

1379
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:31,440
So while we obviously are demonstrating

1380
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:34,319
a surplus that surplus for low density

1381
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:38,799
housing is is is fairly modest uh

1382
01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:40,880
compared to the other uh two categories.

1383
01:02:38,799 --> 01:02:42,720
So similarly we've undertaken a land

1384
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:45,920
needs assessment for the non-residential

1385
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:48,160
sectors um learning with commercial and

1386
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:50,319
institutional land needs. So essentially

1387
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,480
this would be uh looking at how we

1388
01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:54,480
accommodate future commercial and

1389
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,640
institutional employment growth. So this

1390
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:59,119
would be in all more population related

1391
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:01,680
sectors like retail, food and

1392
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:05,359
accommodation, personal services as well

1393
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:07,040
as health care, social uh services,

1394
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:09,839
education,

1395
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:12,240
you know, whether that be uh you know

1396
01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:15,039
elementary school or high school versus

1397
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:17,039
uh you know postsecary uh as well as

1398
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:20,480
health as well as government related

1399
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:22,079
services as well at any level of above

1400
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:25,599
local and provincial government for

1401
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:27,359
example. Um so we've identified that

1402
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:32,319
overall employment growth in those

1403
01:03:27,359 --> 01:03:36,000
categories is about 4,100 jobs. Um and

1404
01:03:32,319 --> 01:03:37,920
we've identified that uh Stratford is is

1405
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:41,599
quite unique in that it has some really

1406
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:44,319
strong anchor areas uh and existing

1407
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:46,319
areas to accommodate these types of uses

1408
01:03:44,319 --> 01:03:48,960
including a vibrant downtown as well as

1409
01:03:46,319 --> 01:03:51,200
very strong uh commercial nodes and

1410
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,280
corridors. But particularly in those

1411
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:55,920
commercial modes and corridors uh such

1412
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:58,319
as along uh Eerie Street uh Ontario

1413
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,880
Street, there are areas of underutilized

1414
01:03:58,319 --> 01:04:02,799
land um as well as you have a number of

1415
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:05,760
legacy properties like Grand Trunk and

1416
01:04:02,799 --> 01:04:07,680
Cooper Standard that also offer uh

1417
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:10,640
opportunities for redevelopment and

1418
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:12,240
intensification. And so we see quite a

1419
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,760
bit of the employment growth in the

1420
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:17,359
sector being accommodated through

1421
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:19,039
inventation about 60% of the total. So,

1422
01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:23,280
in terms of jobs that actually would

1423
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:26,640
require uh new land, um that's only

1424
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:29,359
about 40% of those jobs. They're 1,640

1425
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:31,760
jobs. Um and then in order to do a land

1426
01:04:29,359 --> 01:04:34,160
demand calculation, we look at what we

1427
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:36,720
would expect the employment density uh

1428
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:38,799
to be for these sectors. And those

1429
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:42,799
sectors tend to have a fairly high

1430
01:04:38,799 --> 01:04:45,760
density um of 65 jobs per hector on the

1431
01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:48,960
whole. um and that generates a a land

1432
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:53,119
demand forecast of about 25 hectares for

1433
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:55,200
the 30-day period. Now that 25 hectares

1434
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:57,760
uh is the demand and we will get the

1435
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:59,920
supply of that I mentioned earlier of

1436
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:02,160
six hectares of land to accommodate

1437
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:05,280
these types of uses and you can see that

1438
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:08,400
we have a deficit or a shortfall of 19

1439
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:10,400
hectares over over that 30-year period

1440
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:12,160
by 206.

1441
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:14,400
um anytime we're doing land needs

1442
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:17,200
assessments, we always uh present

1443
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:19,359
numbers of this type in a gross up uh

1444
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:21,280
fashion. So when we do the metrics,

1445
01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:22,960
we're looking at a net hector basis, but

1446
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:25,520
we also need to gross that up to account

1447
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:27,200
for local infrastructure like roads and

1448
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,520
um you know sort of non-developable

1449
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:32,640
features and so that we usually apply an

1450
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:34,400
80% net to gross ratio. So 19 hectares

1451
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:37,599
is 24

1452
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:40,880
gross hectares. Um and then we also

1453
01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:43,839
apply a market contingency factor of 20%

1454
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:47,440
to allow for sufficient market choice uh

1455
01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:49,680
for land supply over that uh uh planning

1456
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:52,400
horizon. Uh which adds another five

1457
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:55,520
vectors to this calculation for total

1458
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:58,000
gross land of 29 gross hectares uh for

1459
01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:00,480
commercial and institutional lands uh by

1460
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:04,000
206. So essentially that means that in

1461
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:05,839
order to accommodate forecast to 206 the

1462
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:08,160
city will need to plan for an additional

1463
01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:11,119
29 gross factors of commercial and

1464
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:12,799
institutional land uh over that timing

1465
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:16,960
horizon.

1466
01:06:12,799 --> 01:06:19,200
So in a very similar fashion

1467
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:22,400
uh we've done a calculation for

1468
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:24,880
employment area uh and the assessment is

1469
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:28,000
undertaken in a very similar u

1470
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:30,160
structure. um we first have to identify

1471
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,920
the amount of jobs that we would expect

1472
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:34,640
to be accommodated within employment

1473
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:36,559
areas over the forecast period and this

1474
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:38,559
would be essentially industrial jobs

1475
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:41,440
because now we're focusing on industrial

1476
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:44,559
type development in in employment areas.

1477
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:47,280
Uh but that represents about 3,200 jobs

1478
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:49,920
over that time period. We also recognize

1479
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:52,640
an opportunity for some intensification

1480
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:54,720
about 10% of those jobs um to be

1481
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:57,200
accommodated through intensification. So

1482
01:06:54,720 --> 01:07:00,079
this would be basically through you know

1483
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:02,000
um you building expansions um infill

1484
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,920
opportunities albeit if those

1485
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:07,119
opportunity years are not as significant

1486
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:10,319
as on the commercial side. Um and so the

1487
01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:13,839
demand calculation then is based on uh

1488
01:07:10,319 --> 01:07:15,839
2,900 jobs uh the intensification

1489
01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:17,440
component. We've also looked at the

1490
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:20,160
employment density looking at the

1491
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:21,599
various types of industries um that

1492
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,760
would be accommodated within employment

1493
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:26,960
areas and the drop will be 15 jobs per

1494
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:30,079
hectare um and that generates a net land

1495
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:32,960
demand of about 193 hectares over the

1496
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:34,960
forecast period. Um as I mentioned

1497
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:38,960
earlier we had a vacant inflamming area

1498
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:40,720
land supply of 161 hectares. Um we have

1499
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:44,640
made an downward adjustment to the

1500
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:48,319
supply to remove the two hectares of

1501
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:51,200
recommended removals of vacant land. Um

1502
01:07:48,319 --> 01:07:53,359
so that reduces the supply to 159

1503
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:55,839
hectares. We've also applied the

1504
01:07:53,359 --> 01:07:59,280
long-term vacancy adjustment of 15%

1505
01:07:55,839 --> 01:08:02,079
recognizing that some of these sites due

1506
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:04,640
to marketability or the side of those

1507
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:06,400
sites may not develop at all over the

1508
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,960
over the planning horizon. So we've

1509
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:12,559
reduced the the developable land supply

1510
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:14,880
by 15% which produces the supply of 135

1511
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:18,400
net hectares. And so then comparing the

1512
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:20,880
land demand of 193 hectares against the

1513
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:23,920
long-term uh land supply with the

1514
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:26,880
vacancy adjustment of 135 net hectares

1515
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:29,920
generates a shortfall or deficit of 58

1516
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:33,759
net hectares by [snorts] 206.

1517
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:37,120
Uh we've also grossed that up um to uh

1518
01:08:33,759 --> 01:08:40,159
by 20% to to generate a gross land area

1519
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:43,120
requirement of 73 hectares. Uh and then

1520
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:46,319
also applied a 20% bump up for market

1521
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:49,279
contingency uh and which increases the

1522
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:52,560
gross land need by another 18 hector to

1523
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:54,080
91 gross hectares in total. So again, in

1524
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:56,080
order to accommodate the employment

1525
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:58,080
forecast and the employment area land

1526
01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:00,880
needs for the city over the 30-year

1527
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:02,640
period, the Stratford will need an

1528
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,719
additional 91 gross factors of

1529
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:09,839
additional employment area land to

1530
01:09:04,719 --> 01:09:13,520
accommodate the growth in this regard.

1531
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:15,839
So terms of conclusions

1532
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:17,759
um Stratford is well positioned for

1533
01:09:15,839 --> 01:09:20,000
continued growth with population housing

1534
01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:21,520
and employment growth expected to remain

1535
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,400
strong over the long term period as

1536
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:27,040
we've established. Um we've identified

1537
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:29,520
an approximate need of 7,200 new housing

1538
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:31,600
units to accommodate population growth

1539
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:33,600
over the next 30 years and the

1540
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,600
importance of providing for a range of

1541
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,440
housing forms

1542
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,040
accommodated through the culmination.

1543
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:40,719
you know, they need densification

1544
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,000
between field developments. Diversity

1545
01:09:40,719 --> 01:09:44,480
and housing is going to be really

1546
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:48,239
important. Um,

1547
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:50,640
and particularly to ensure that the city

1548
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:52,719
continues to foster opportunities for

1549
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:54,719
medium and higher density housing, uh,

1550
01:09:52,719 --> 01:09:57,440
support changing household needs and

1551
01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:58,960
improving housing choices.

1552
01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:00,719
The city will also need to continue to

1553
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:03,040
monitor housing development absorption

1554
01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:04,640
to ensure sufficient capacity means to

1555
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,600
meet long-term growth needs. This is

1556
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:08,560
particularly important for the

1557
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:12,560
lowdensity housing has shown a

1558
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:14,880
relatively small surplus uh by 2056.

1559
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:16,800
It's also important that uh the city

1560
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:19,120
continues to integrate residential and

1561
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:22,320
commercial uses with other community

1562
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:24,239
uses and public open space spaces to

1563
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:26,159
create diverse and vibrant neighborhoods

1564
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:28,159
and workplaces. So again the idea about

1565
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:30,400
having mixed communities, complete

1566
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:32,800
communities is very important for

1567
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:35,120
quality of place.

1568
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,560
Um on the economic side, economic growth

1569
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,239
will depend on the city's ability needs

1570
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,920
to align with employment opportunities,

1571
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:41,600
housing, and civil labor. We'll continue

1572
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:44,080
to support Stratford's establishment of

1573
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:46,159
emerging economic sectors. Obviously,

1574
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:48,800
we've identified fairly robust

1575
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:51,600
employment forecast uh which we think is

1576
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:54,159
attainable and reasonable. Um the

1577
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:55,440
employment land supply is the primary

1578
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:57,040
challenge from the land supply

1579
01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:58,960
perspective that the city's facing a

1580
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:02,080
long-term shortfall that reinforces the

1581
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:03,760
need uh to protect strategic employment

1582
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,679
lands and manage employment areas in

1583
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:08,080
accordance with the updated provincial

1584
01:11:05,679 --> 01:11:10,000
planning policy which we've demonstrated

1585
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:13,040
um and the importance of growth

1586
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:14,640
management uh to ensure essential uh

1587
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:17,120
that you know there's a balanced

1588
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:18,960
approach meeting housing employment land

1589
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:22,080
infrastructure municipal services which

1590
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:23,920
are planned together support complete

1591
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:27,679
and sustainable communities over the

1592
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:30,880
next uh 30 years

1593
01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:32,320
and I think that's it that concludes my

1594
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:35,360
presentation.

1595
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:38,000
» Thank you.

1596
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:41,120
I'm going to council for questions

1597
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:43,840
questions from council at this time.

1598
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:46,719
» Thank you to the mayor. Um so the the 91

1599
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:49,520
hectares needed for employment plans by

1600
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:51,679
206 that would all be taken up according

1601
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:55,280
to this forecast. So we need more than

1602
01:11:51,679 --> 01:11:56,080
that to have an inventory for 206 that

1603
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,840
he

1604
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:00,239
» Yeah. So essentially that 91 gross

1605
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:02,320
hectares is what the land need is to

1606
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:05,040
accommodate the forecast over the next

1607
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:06,880
30 years. So by 206 and obviously well

1608
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:09,360
before then you'll already be planning

1609
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:11,440
for a close 206 period.

1610
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:13,679
» Okay.

1611
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:15,760
Other questions?

1612
01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:17,679
Counc.

1613
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:20,080
Um, thank you for your presentation.

1614
01:12:17,679 --> 01:12:22,800
It's a lot of information in that short

1615
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:25,520
time. Um, I'm interested in the the

1616
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:28,719
density graph slide that you had on page

1617
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:31,440
16. Um, I didn't see that when I'm in

1618
01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:34,320
the report, but maybe I just I don't

1619
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:35,760
know if it's easy to go back to. Um, so

1620
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,520
way of thinking about this is we're

1621
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:40,000
talking about we mean diversity and

1622
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:42,159
housing. We need them it to be

1623
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:44,960
sufficiently diverse so that we can

1624
01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:48,880
build the the 7,200

1625
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:52,840
houses in the next 30 years. Um so we

1626
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,840
start maybe it's not

1627
01:12:53,679 --> 01:12:57,199
» Is it in the housing needs?

1628
01:12:55,120 --> 01:13:02,000
» Yeah. Yeah.

1629
01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:04,000
That's it. So density versus um so high

1630
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:08,560
density versus a lower density. Maybe

1631
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:12,159
that's not the gra but um so what I'm

1632
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:13,600
trying to ask I think is over time the

1633
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:17,360
last eight years that I've been on

1634
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:20,320
council we have sort of had an intuitive

1635
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:22,000
knowledge that we need more medium and

1636
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,760
higher density. So we've we've

1637
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:25,600
accomplished that. You have you can see

1638
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:27,760
from the graphs that we we have created

1639
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:30,560
more medium and and high density

1640
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:35,040
housings. Um, one thing that I was

1641
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:39,360
always hinkering for was data around

1642
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:41,520
your R&D. So, like creating targets that

1643
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:44,000
will get us

1644
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:46,320
to where we need to go. So, is that

1645
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,920
going to be part of the official plan

1646
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:51,360
recommendations? Right. Right now,

1647
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:53,280
obviously, you collect this data. Um but

1648
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:56,320
moving forward is the official plan

1649
01:13:53,280 --> 01:14:00,080
going to say okay by you know in 10

1650
01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:02,400
years you would want to have 20% more

1651
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:05,840
this type of housing or you need to be

1652
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:08,400
have this number of units medium density

1653
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:10,480
this number of high I just to give

1654
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:13,199
council some direction in the decisions

1655
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:14,960
that we make to say okay rather than

1656
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:17,440
just sort of bit falling and think okay

1657
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:19,760
we need this amount of medium density

1658
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:23,120
versus high density to have some more

1659
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:25,440
specific speific data and focus goals

1660
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:27,840
for future

1661
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:31,600
» Through you Mr. Mayor. Um yeah, that's

1662
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:35,040
really a question comment. Um yeah, so

1663
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:37,120
obviously there's uh flexibility when in

1664
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:39,440
how the official plan is written from a

1665
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:42,800
poly perspective as far as housing

1666
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:44,640
targets uh or or sort of you know the

1667
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:46,960
diversity of housing that you know the

1668
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:49,360
city would want to you know foster

1669
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:51,120
development hub. Um, you know, obviously

1670
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:53,040
this is meant to help inform that and

1671
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,719
and provide that foundational piece in

1672
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:56,800
the road map of what those needs look

1673
01:14:54,719 --> 01:14:58,159
like from a growth perspective. Uh, but

1674
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,000
certainly, you know, something I'm sure

1675
01:14:58,159 --> 01:15:03,239
the planning staff will be will be

1676
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,239
looking at.

1677
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:08,239
» Director

1678
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:10,640
you worship. Thank you. The the the lead

1679
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:14,159
consultant Alex

1680
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:16,880
uh is here who can answer that question.

1681
01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:18,000
Well, what I will say before Mr. scholar

1682
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:20,400
speaks though is that we have the

1683
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:22,960
students from UW who are new to work on

1684
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:24,560
the evaluation and monitoring section

1685
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,560
that we will look at in the official

1686
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:28,080
plan. So um I think what we're looking

1687
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,679
at is a land of the sand right now.

1688
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:31,679
We're looking to get a new OP and start

1689
01:15:29,679 --> 01:15:33,440
fresh where we're at least reporting to

1690
01:15:31,679 --> 01:15:35,199
council annually about what type of

1691
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:36,960
development we're seeing and whether

1692
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:38,560
we're meeting goals and objectives and

1693
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:41,440
the

1694
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:46,239
valuations. So if you have anything to

1695
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:48,159
add now, please you may um so the intent

1696
01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:52,080
is for the official plan to include

1697
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:55,360
targets uh related to the different

1698
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:58,080
densities of of housing and number of

1699
01:15:55,360 --> 01:16:01,360
units at least by the uh end of the

1700
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:04,239
planning horizon. And then uh as the

1701
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:06,640
director mentioned um

1702
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:10,640
the monitoring policy will provide that

1703
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:13,520
direction to council and guidance on how

1704
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:16,560
to track and report back on achieving

1705
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:18,719
those targets over over the years. Um

1706
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:21,440
also mentioned you know after a new

1707
01:16:18,719 --> 01:16:24,880
official plan is adopted another review

1708
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:28,719
comes along uh 10 years five years later

1709
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:30,719
and so as Eric has done uh with this

1710
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:33,679
presentation showing progress in the

1711
01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:35,679
past um it will catch that up and

1712
01:16:33,679 --> 01:16:37,679
provide an update as well.

1713
01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:39,040
» So just as a followup that that was my

1714
01:16:37,679 --> 01:16:41,840
next question was the piece about

1715
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:44,000
monitoring. So I think in our existing

1716
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:46,239
official plan we had targets but we had

1717
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,920
no way of knowing where we were in

1718
01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:49,679
heading towards those targets or if we

1719
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,120
were hitting them at all. So I think I'm

1720
01:16:49,679 --> 01:16:53,199
really glad to hear that there will be a

1721
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,719
monitoring element to it. I think that's

1722
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:56,719
really important for decision- making

1723
01:16:54,719 --> 01:16:58,960
moving forward.

1724
01:16:56,719 --> 01:17:00,320
Anything

1725
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:00,960
further than the council? Councelor

1726
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,520
Bristol.

1727
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:05,040
» Thank you, Chair. Um, one of the

1728
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:07,120
experiences I've had with employment

1729
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:10,080
areas is once something's designated in

1730
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:12,000
employment area, it uh limits uh

1731
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,840
vulnerable service provision within that

1732
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:16,560
area. And a lot of times what we look

1733
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:18,719
for that's good for uh employment is

1734
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:20,239
also good for social services being on

1735
01:17:18,719 --> 01:17:22,159
transport areas and things like that.

1736
01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:23,600
I've had a lot of food banks have to be

1737
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:25,679
relocated in shelters in other

1738
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:27,679
municipalities. I haven't seen the

1739
01:17:25,679 --> 01:17:29,920
employment generating supportive uses

1740
01:17:27,679 --> 01:17:31,520
designation before. Is that the best

1741
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:33,520
practice to have that happy medium so

1742
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:35,679
that we can continue service provision

1743
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:37,280
alongside employment in these especially

1744
01:17:35,679 --> 01:17:39,120
in the downtown area that brings

1745
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,480
together both of those? Is that the best

1746
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:42,080
practice?

1747
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:45,280
You know, that's that's a great question

1748
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:47,280
and comment actually and and perhaps uh

1749
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:49,920
Matt here can speak to that or her staff

1750
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:52,823
as well. But um one important part of

1751
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:53,440
this uh report in identifying regulators

1752
01:17:52,823 --> 01:17:55,920
[clears throat]

1753
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:57,840
and identifying them as employment

1754
01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:00,640
generating supportive uses to kind of

1755
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:04,239
leave it open as to well what what would

1756
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:07,040
those uses you know allow for um I think

1757
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:09,760
at a high level it's focusing more on um

1758
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:12,719
like commercial and mixed use function

1759
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:15,040
excluding residential but again you know

1760
01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:16,960
that is generally the framework that

1761
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,800
we're working under uh but again those

1762
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:23,000
details will come through further

1763
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:23,000
further analysis and studies.

1764
01:18:23,679 --> 01:18:27,840
council. Uh the chair, what I find

1765
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:31,440
interesting about this is something

1766
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:33,840
intuitively we feel is that we are we

1767
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:38,080
have not enough industrial and we have

1768
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:40,640
not enough employment uh lands as far as

1769
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:45,199
our tax base goes and we've been reliant

1770
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:48,320
on single uh family homes to to fuel our

1771
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:50,800
economy. This looks you can kind of see

1772
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:52,719
where we need to go in order to have a

1773
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:55,280
balanced

1774
01:18:52,719 --> 01:18:58,320
city in the next 30 years when it does

1775
01:18:55,280 --> 01:19:02,239
include more of a focus on the

1776
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:05,239
industrial land and on lands coming

1777
01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:05,239
online.

1778
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,920
Anything further?

1779
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:16,800
Seeing none, I'm I'm going to ask if uh

1780
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:19,199
you stay host but set away from the

1781
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:21,760
podium and I'll ask if there's anybody

1782
01:19:19,199 --> 01:19:25,640
from the audience the public that would

1783
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,640
make any comments.

1784
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:32,199
So I have uh you come first.

1785
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:59,040
Thank you. Exchange your name for public

1786
01:19:54,000 --> 01:20:01,120
record, please. Myself. Um, thank you,

1787
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:03,280
uh, council and mayor for having this

1788
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:05,760
meeting. Um, we didn't have to, but it's

1789
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:08,800
good that we have. I've been waiting for

1790
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:11,600
this analysis of where Stratford is at,

1791
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:14,640
and I'm not surprised by the results.

1792
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:16,320
Um, we essentially have we're building

1793
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:18,080
too many houses and don't have enough

1794
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:20,239
industry

1795
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:22,320
» And we have too much land set aside from

1796
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:23,840
housing and not enough land set aside

1797
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:27,199
industry.

1798
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:30,640
Um, by 2,800

1799
01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:32,640
units surplus according to the map and

1800
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:34,960
the province has thrown us a curve by

1801
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:36,960
saying that in plant plants don't

1802
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:39,440
include what we used to include is

1803
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:41,600
plant. So they're recommending removal

1804
01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:44,400
of a bunch of

1805
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:45,920
from army and and I didn't see those

1806
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:49,199
removals

1807
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:50,640
come back anywhere. Maybe I missed it,

1808
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:52,880
but I would have thought that those

1809
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:55,440
removals are still

1810
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:57,840
of them. They're commercial and

1811
01:20:55,440 --> 01:21:00,000
institutional, but they didn't get put

1812
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:04,880
into the commercial institutional were

1813
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:08,800
short by 29 hectares calculation.

1814
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:12,080
I also when reading this document was

1815
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:15,920
quite baffled by

1816
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:19,120
um the old apps that were used the the

1817
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:22,960
old uh

1818
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:29,520
so a surprising thing is that the the uh

1819
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:32,159
parkland at uh Dun Avenue and uh

1820
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:33,760
in the in the West End is listed as

1821
01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:36,159
industrial.

1822
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:38,239
his cards. It's not understood, but it's

1823
01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:40,560
listed as a bill.

1824
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:43,199
Um,

1825
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:46,560
you voted in

1826
01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:49,920
April to endorse Bill 21

1827
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:52,159
to protect farmland in Ontario,

1828
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:57,040
but there's going to be a temptation

1829
01:21:52,159 --> 01:22:00,320
here because we're short by so much 91

1830
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:02,800
to swallow our

1831
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:05,040
you just can't be doing.

1832
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:08,159
Um,

1833
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:10,239
council swallowed a farmland 5 years ago

1834
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:13,360
that it didn't need because it was never

1835
01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:15,679
built. I'm hoping the council will put

1836
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:18,679
that farmland back.

1837
01:22:15,679 --> 01:22:18,679
Um,

1838
01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:26,120
the this report

1839
01:22:26,719 --> 01:22:31,520
flies the face of what this council has

1840
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:36,239
been doing over the past two years. as

1841
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:38,960
you convert employment plans to housing.

1842
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:43,600
You can't be doing that. The cashach a

1843
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:46,560
development is a a great example of 25

1844
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:48,800
acres, 25 hectares of what was

1845
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:51,440
employment plan that this council

1846
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:53,760
allowed to be converted to

1847
01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:56,159
housing when you have too much land for

1848
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:59,120
housing already anyway.

1849
01:22:56,159 --> 01:23:02,880
And the fact that this initial plan

1850
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:04,480
review is taking five years means you

1851
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:07,840
well you should have known because the

1852
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:09,440
the report in 2020 on the annexation

1853
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:11,360
clearly stated you didn't have enough

1854
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:13,360
employment plans and yet you went ahead

1855
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:15,360
and converted stuff and and crude is

1856
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:18,239
another thing got converted. I don't

1857
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:21,040
know there may be others that I miss but

1858
01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:22,639
you can't keep doing that and then just

1859
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:26,320
saying oh well that's okay we can just

1860
01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:28,159
swallow some more farms. No, we can't.

1861
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:30,159
Those farms are providing food for

1862
01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:32,400
people. Those farms are providing

1863
01:23:30,159 --> 01:23:34,960
employment for the farmers that are that

1864
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:37,679
are doing that. And and you as a

1865
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:40,400
council, I think unanimously, endorsed a

1866
01:23:37,679 --> 01:23:43,600
motion saying you would support

1867
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:46,560
not swallowing more farmland.

1868
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:48,880
The city has a big chunk of farmland

1869
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:51,120
right in the middle of it right now. I

1870
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:53,440
think you know what I'm talking about.

1871
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:56,639
That is zoned for housing. It's part of

1872
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:58,320
the surplus of housing. Why not zone it

1873
01:23:56,639 --> 01:24:01,440
for industrial? At least it'll get get

1874
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:04,080
us over the till 2056. Even if you never

1875
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:06,719
use it for industrial, but it's already

1876
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:09,920
in the city,

1877
01:24:06,719 --> 01:24:12,639
it is

1878
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:15,760
um

1879
01:24:12,639 --> 01:24:18,639
and and then as you get closer to 206,

1880
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:23,120
you've obviously got a lot of land now

1881
01:24:18,639 --> 01:24:26,400
that can be used for money.

1882
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:29,520
And there was no there's no time graph

1883
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:33,360
of when the usage will take place

1884
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:37,760
between now and 206. But there's 160 odd

1885
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:39,440
acres of or hectares, sorry, right? I

1886
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:45,199
was born too early. I keep thinking in

1887
01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:48,880
acres for hectares. Um that is in the in

1888
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:53,199
the inventory now. And that's

1889
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:55,679
uh three-fifths of what you need. If in

1890
01:24:53,199 --> 01:24:58,639
if if in three-fifths of the time it

1891
01:24:55,679 --> 01:25:01,840
takes to get to whether you might need

1892
01:24:58,639 --> 01:25:04,000
what 90 91 more hectares, maybe you can

1893
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,840
find some other way. Maybe you can

1894
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,760
figure out that in fact you don't

1895
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:09,600
because there's so much employment is

1896
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:12,080
going to be at home based employment. so

1897
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:15,360
much employment will be affected by AI

1898
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:17,280
centers or who knows but you can't just

1899
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:21,280
keep swallowing

1900
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:24,239
uh employment and making it residential

1901
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:26,639
even though that gets a lot more profit

1902
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:28,000
for the people that own the land. I know

1903
01:25:26,639 --> 01:25:30,800
that that's that's where the pressure

1904
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:32,560
comes because they want that profit. I

1905
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:36,159
came from a community in Toronto that

1906
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:39,440
had literally dozens and dozens and

1907
01:25:36,159 --> 01:25:42,000
dozens of factories that supported A it

1908
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:46,159
was called Wesson in

1909
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:51,360
um in in Ontario in Toronto and

1910
01:25:46,159 --> 01:25:54,159
Kodak was there and um

1911
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:56,000
Brandy Packard and many other big

1912
01:25:54,159 --> 01:25:58,080
industrial places and the city council

1913
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:00,239
in Toronto said to the developers you

1914
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:02,000
can make that into housing. Yeah, make

1915
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:06,639
that into housing. Yeah, that into

1916
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:09,199
housing. Now, that land has no jobs.

1917
01:26:06,639 --> 01:26:10,719
And that's because of a policy of the

1918
01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:13,440
then city council. I think they're

1919
01:26:10,719 --> 01:26:15,120
changing it now to just let developers

1920
01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:18,400
get as much money as they could with

1921
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:21,280
their land. And some of them even moved

1922
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:22,560
to places outside the city where land is

1923
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,880
cheaper in order because they still

1924
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:27,360
wanted to run businesses,

1925
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:29,600
but they ran them somewhere else. You

1926
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:32,800
got to pay attention to that farther.

1927
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:35,840
And I I hope that you'll

1928
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:38,560
read this report and I hope you'll find

1929
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:40,000
all missing land that

1930
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,840
that was there within the city

1931
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:44,840
boundaries so you don't have to do it

1932
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:44,840
every

1933
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:03,719
state your garden.

1934
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:09,360
So I too want to talk about the loss of

1935
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:10,880
on farmland

1936
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:12,400
that won't be able to feed the

1937
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:17,199
additional people that are going to be

1938
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:20,400
here. So growing food requires land and

1939
01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:24,560
um we have to find different ways.

1940
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:28,080
um in the projections um I'm wondering

1941
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:30,560
how much they talk are they planned for

1942
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:32,080
smaller families because families are

1943
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:35,360
smaller now because they can't afford to

1944
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:37,920
be big so that means more housing fewer

1945
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:40,639
fewer people

1946
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:44,000
um want to talk about the reducing

1947
01:27:40,639 --> 01:27:46,800
barriers to affordable housing so having

1948
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:49,600
less single detached housing and more

1949
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:52,400
staff homes in the form of condos

1950
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:55,280
apartments, town houses and some with

1951
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:57,360
one and two bedrooms as they always say

1952
01:27:55,280 --> 01:28:00,080
three and up. I think they don't think

1953
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:03,679
about smaller families because so many

1954
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:06,639
families are smaller nowadays.

1955
01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:11,520
Intensify especially infill where

1956
01:28:06,639 --> 01:28:14,000
infrastructure already exists cost less

1957
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:17,679
also to encourage four and sixes for

1958
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:19,360
infill and for um additional dwelling

1959
01:28:17,679 --> 01:28:22,360
units.

1960
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:22,360
Um,

1961
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:29,400
also to include in the um, official plan

1962
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:35,040
things that are more neighborly like the

1963
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:38,000
six flexes and the borlexes. Um, and

1964
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:39,600
especially including small neighborhood

1965
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,440
parkets

1966
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:43,520
because you want the neighborhood

1967
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:47,360
feeling. You need to have things close

1968
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:49,520
to it. On the climate side,

1969
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:52,480
Canada is burning more and more each

1970
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:56,320
year and flooding more and more as well

1971
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:57,440
every year. So with new housing,

1972
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:59,040
I think there should be some

1973
01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:00,560
encouragement whether it's from the

1974
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:03,360
city, the province, I don't think the

1975
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:06,639
province will do it right now, um for no

1976
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:08,880
natural gas for fossil fuels so that we

1977
01:29:06,639 --> 01:29:12,000
can have a higher population of people

1978
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:14,560
in 20 and 30 years from now and people

1979
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:17,920
aren't dying because of the air.

1980
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:19,679
Also there are no surfacing

1981
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:23,040
constraints

1982
01:29:19,679 --> 01:29:27,440
by confirming that the water capacity

1983
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:30,080
data for the water quantity is available

1984
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:31,120
is pretty wise to the reservoirs. So the

1985
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,400
more you're going to be building, the

1986
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:35,400
more you're going to need to know what's

1987
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:35,400
there.

1988
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:41,920
» Another

1989
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:44,719
is another individual from the public

1990
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:47,600
that you would like to come forward.

1991
01:29:44,719 --> 01:29:50,639
» Please state your name for the record.

1992
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:52,800
» Britney Venice and let me speak today.

1993
01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:54,560
I'm here to formally request that the

1994
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:58,560
city begin the process of returning our

1995
01:29:54,560 --> 01:30:00,480
property located at 3516 highway second

1996
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:02,880
from the jurisdiction of the city of

1997
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:06,320
Straford back to the township in Perth.

1998
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:08,719
So in July 2020 our property was annexed

1999
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:12,159
to the city of Straford to support the

2000
01:30:08,719 --> 01:30:14,719
proposed Zingi Glass Canada

2001
01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:17,440
manufacturing facility. At the time, the

2002
01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:19,760
annexation was justified by a specific

2003
01:30:17,440 --> 01:30:22,159
industrial development proposal that

2004
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:24,639
required the land to be brought with

2005
01:30:22,159 --> 01:30:26,960
thousands. However, the project was

2006
01:30:24,639 --> 01:30:29,199
never receded.

2007
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:31,440
In 2021, the province revoked the

2008
01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:33,920
minister's zoning order associated with

2009
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:36,000
the development. The Ministry of

2010
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:37,679
Municipal Affairs confirmed that the

2011
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:40,880
planning permissions allowed the flow of

2012
01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:43,760
glass man sorry manufacturing facilities

2013
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:45,600
were deliber and as a result the purpose

2014
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:47,280
of which the land was annexed cease to

2015
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:49,199
exist.

2016
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:51,600
Importantly the property was never

2017
01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:54,800
developed for industrial use and remains

2018
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:56,960
agriculturally zoned today. It continues

2019
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:59,120
to be agricultural in both its use and

2020
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:01,120
character just as it was prior to the

2021
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:02,960
annexation.

2022
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:05,679
Despite the cancellation of the project,

2023
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:07,040
the property was never returned to us

2024
01:31:05,679 --> 01:31:10,400
and remains within the city of

2025
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:13,120
Stratford. At this time, we received few

2026
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:14,880
if any of the municipal services that

2027
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:17,360
would normally connect property to the

2028
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:20,080
city. Our electricity is supplied by

2029
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:21,920
hydro. We did not receive municipal

2030
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:24,960
water services and we do not have any

2031
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:26,880
access to city source. The reality is

2032
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:28,880
that this land continues to function as

2033
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:32,400
agricultural land while the reason for

2034
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:34,560
the annexation no longer exists.

2035
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:38,159
Given these circumstances, we believe it

2036
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:40,639
is appropriate to reconsider the current

2037
01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:42,320
municipal lands. We're not seeking

2038
01:31:40,639 --> 01:31:44,400
development opportunities or financial

2039
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:46,480
gain and we have absolutely no intention

2040
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:48,159
of selling this property. Our goal is

2041
01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:50,639
for it to remain in our property for the

2042
01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:52,239
generations to come. Our request is

2043
01:31:50,639 --> 01:31:54,480
based on a simple principle. The

2044
01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:57,679
property's municipal designation should

2045
01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:59,280
reflect factually use and circumstances.

2046
01:31:57,679 --> 01:32:02,000
The project was canceled. The land

2047
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:07,239
remains agricultural. Please consider a

2048
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:07,239
request. Thank you. Thank you.

2049
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:18,280
I have somebody at the very guy I

2050
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:18,280
believe.

2051
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:30,719
Um, thank you to the mayor and Scott

2052
01:32:27,679 --> 01:32:33,920
speak. Uh, my name is Jim Beness. I own

2053
01:32:30,719 --> 01:32:36,239
the property at 4079 line 29. I was

2054
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:42,360
wondering if the clerk could bring up

2055
01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:42,360
report 37 and page 7

2056
01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:49,080
figure 37 page 71.

2057
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:56,960
So just to avoid any confusion here, the

2058
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:59,760
original property

2059
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:01,360
173 acres 3516

2060
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:04,159
119

2061
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:06,080
was severed here a few years ago. So I

2062
01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:08,400
own the back half my son and

2063
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:11,960
daughter-in-law in the front. So

2064
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:11,960
December and

2065
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:20,080
that property as Britney said

2066
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:22,400
was annex simply

2067
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:25,440
for the blessing

2068
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:27,360
and it it was the only property of three

2069
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:30,000
that were annexed. Three farms were

2070
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:32,880
annexed into the city. Only one was

2071
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:35,679
subject to the NO that was offering it.

2072
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:37,280
The other three two farms were annexed

2073
01:33:35,679 --> 01:33:39,679
had nothing to do with the ministry's

2074
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:42,960
empty border.

2075
01:33:39,679 --> 01:33:47,120
Um April 21st

2076
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:51,199
after of 2021 we send a letter to the

2077
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:53,600
city of Stratford attention mayor D

2078
01:33:51,199 --> 01:33:56,480
and I'd like to read it's a virtual

2079
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:58,239
letter. Uh we are writing this letter in

2080
01:33:56,480 --> 01:34:00,880
regards to annexation of the father's

2081
01:33:58,239 --> 01:34:02,560
smart located 2 three four and five

2082
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:05,520
concession

2083
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:07,360
uh concession fives for council person.

2084
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:09,199
At the time of the annexation this

2085
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:12,560
parcel was annexed along with two other

2086
01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:14,960
properties totaling 350 acres.

2087
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:18,639
Our farming a little bit more than 170

2088
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:21,199
was annexed and was solely used for the

2089
01:34:18,639 --> 01:34:24,880
purpose of the glass plant facility. It

2090
01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:29,120
was the only property that had the MCO

2091
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:32,880
applied to it. The MCO was then created

2092
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:35,520
strictly uh for the glass plant due to

2093
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:37,760
some minor public pressure against the

2094
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:40,560
proposed glass plant. The city of

2095
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:43,199
Stratford stalled progress long enough

2096
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:45,440
that Zingi last plant owner walked away

2097
01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:48,080
from which was unfortunate because there

2098
01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:50,880
was over a thousand jobs related to that

2099
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:54,000
plant and incillary services and backers

2100
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:55,600
that were diff

2101
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:57,280
thousand.

2102
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:59,520
It's unfortunate.

2103
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:03,280
It was our belief as a family that the

2104
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:04,960
benefits of that finance would have come

2105
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:06,880
to the city of Straford, the county of

2106
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:10,080
Perth

2107
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:12,159
and to the township of Pur South and it

2108
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:14,560
was enough reason to allow our home farm

2109
01:35:12,159 --> 01:35:17,040
to be used as a buildings.

2110
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:20,159
At that point, my father was had

2111
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:22,159
dementia and it was it was being taken

2112
01:35:20,159 --> 01:35:25,600
care of by myself, my brothers, my

2113
01:35:22,159 --> 01:35:27,760
sister. We voted two to one at that farm

2114
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:30,000
allowed unanimous. It was not unanimous

2115
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:31,920
in our affair.

2116
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:34,880
Since the float glass plant was no

2117
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:38,320
longer being built, we requested the

2118
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:41,199
city to overturn the MO because we see

2119
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:43,520
no reason for that that land stay in the

2120
01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:44,960
city.

2121
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:47,920
Our letter was [snorts]

2122
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:49,840
on May 5th. We got a reply from the CEO

2123
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:54,320
of Stra

2124
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:58,000
and in it that stated that they cannot

2125
01:35:54,320 --> 01:36:01,040
revoke the MCO. The city cannot do it

2126
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:03,199
and it says any revocation and

2127
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:06,320
alteration of the MCO must be completed

2128
01:36:03,199 --> 01:36:08,000
by the minister. The city has indicated

2129
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:10,800
its support to the minister for

2130
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:13,600
revocation of the MCO.

2131
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:17,840
The MCO was revoked

2132
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:22,159
on July 13th. to the land was still

2133
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:24,000
annexed. He never went back to her cell.

2134
01:36:22,159 --> 01:36:27,600
And I guess the concern I had with the

2135
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:29,280
Watts report is if Zingi would never

2136
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:32,400
have

2137
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:34,560
our farm would never go to the city and

2138
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:36,080
if you don't mind I'd like to start just

2139
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:39,120
a caution that we're getting a little

2140
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:42,320
bit this very

2141
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:46,639
» So our farm was down here.

2142
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:50,080
So Watson report has stated we need 91

2143
01:36:46,639 --> 01:36:51,760
hectares more the land nowhere in any of

2144
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:54,239
the report has to talk about any of the

2145
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:56,880
annex land the annex land I assume is

2146
01:36:54,239 --> 01:37:01,840
where the 91 hectares is coming to get

2147
01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:05,920
to our farm to have industrial and land

2148
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:08,719
to get to it needs 2 kilometers of water

2149
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:12,320
and sewer pipes together to get to the

2150
01:37:08,719 --> 01:37:13,679
far right is 3 km to

2151
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:16,000
the students going out to spend

2152
01:37:13,679 --> 01:37:17,600
together.

2153
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:20,560
Okay, [clears throat] we have other

2154
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:24,080
event up to the north end right off of

2155
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:25,840
Lauren at 122 which ex which could be

2156
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:28,320
extended

2157
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:31,199
from the blue there a little bit further

2158
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:34,960
and you're less than half a point from

2159
01:37:31,199 --> 01:37:36,719
the uh city sewage plant right now.

2160
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:38,480
That's where building should be going.

2161
01:37:36,719 --> 01:37:41,600
It's an extension. We got the extension

2162
01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:44,480
of Dun Road. Um,

2163
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:48,560
right here the road here,

2164
01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:50,800
there's a round boat going. It's built

2165
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:53,760
already to go into there. There's no

2166
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:55,920
sewage pipes to go into.

2167
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:58,239
All I'm saying is we're going to save

2168
01:37:55,920 --> 01:38:00,960
the city millions and millions and

2169
01:37:58,239 --> 01:38:02,960
millions of dollars not going to our

2170
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:05,040
farm. You will not need a pumping

2171
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:06,880
station. People go to our farm, you're

2172
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:08,800
going to need a pumping station if not

2173
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:09,840
two. [clears throat]

2174
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:13,880
So,

2175
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:13,880
I have really asked

2176
01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:20,000
that the city of Stratford and it is

2177
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:21,920
only possible by the direction of the

2178
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:24,880
city of Straford to ask the Ontario

2179
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:28,000
government to remove our farm from

2180
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:31,440
manifestation. You can be created with

2181
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:34,320
Pur South with some other land closer to

2182
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:35,840
the amenities you need.

2183
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:37,840
South will have no concerns. The birth

2184
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:40,320
of council will have no concerns and the

2185
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:42,400
city of Straford should have no concerns

2186
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:45,040
with that. It will, as I say, it will

2187
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:46,880
save humans.

2188
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:49,679
We

2189
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:53,760
by running the farm right now, we're

2190
01:38:49,679 --> 01:38:55,119
paying 8% higher tax rate than we were

2191
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:58,560
first.

2192
01:38:55,119 --> 01:39:01,600
» That makes our farm less sustainable.

2193
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:04,080
And we do not want the worries for the

2194
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:06,480
next 30 years of expropriation hanging

2195
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:09,600
over our heads as that will be the only

2196
01:39:06,480 --> 01:39:12,320
way the city gets that land. So we ask

2197
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:14,960
you to make the application to the

2198
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:17,920
government. It cannot be made by county

2199
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:23,119
workers. We ask the city of Straford

2200
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:26,719
make the application to have uh 4079929

2201
01:39:23,119 --> 01:39:29,719
3516 road 119 taken out of the city of

2202
01:39:26,719 --> 01:39:29,719
Straford.

2203
01:39:40,480 --> 01:39:43,719
once again

2204
01:39:50,239 --> 01:39:57,199
there members of council staff and all

2205
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:59,360
the general public. Thank you for the

2206
01:39:57,199 --> 01:40:04,480
opportunity for allowing me to speak to

2207
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:06,480
the scene on behalf of the downtown BIA.

2208
01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:08,560
We first like to congratulate the city

2209
01:40:06,480 --> 01:40:10,639
council on moving forward with the

2210
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:13,600
development of our new citywide master

2211
01:40:10,639 --> 01:40:15,440
plan. This is an important opportunity

2212
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:18,480
present

2213
01:40:15,440 --> 01:40:21,840
today and how the community has evolved

2214
01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:23,920
and how we need to plan for the future.

2215
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:26,320
This time also makes it an ideal

2216
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:29,280
opportunity to review the boundaries of

2217
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:32,639
the D times back.

2218
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:35,840
Our BA was established in 1973,

2219
01:40:32,639 --> 01:40:38,400
more than 50 years ago. Back has changed

2220
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:40,719
considerably since then, but our banners

2221
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:42,320
continue to reflect what it once was

2222
01:40:40,719 --> 01:40:46,159
instead of the downtown business

2223
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:48,239
district more than half a century ago.

2224
01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:51,199
We're often counseledled to support

2225
01:40:48,239 --> 01:40:53,760
updating the boundaries so they closely

2226
01:40:51,199 --> 01:40:56,320
align with the city's current official

2227
01:40:53,760 --> 01:41:00,480
value boundaries of the downtown core.

2228
01:40:56,320 --> 01:41:03,920
The two maps are very different one.

2229
01:41:00,480 --> 01:41:07,199
Two areas are different but quite

2230
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:10,159
similar but it's not

2231
01:41:07,199 --> 01:41:12,560
a drastic expansion. rather some

2232
01:41:10,159 --> 01:41:14,960
significant properties and community

2233
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:17,280
assets that we naturally think as part

2234
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:19,920
of our downtown that are currently

2235
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:22,880
actually outside of today which includes

2236
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:24,400
the boat house, the stock public

2237
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:27,440
library,

2238
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:31,040
the Cooper site, transit terminal and

2239
01:41:27,440 --> 01:41:33,280
the university campus all lie outside

2240
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:36,480
and we try and treat them as

2241
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:38,639
unofficially part of

2242
01:41:36,480 --> 01:41:40,639
including these areas but allow

2243
01:41:38,639 --> 01:41:43,199
inconsistency between the students plan

2244
01:41:40,639 --> 01:41:45,119
the framework and that represented by

2245
01:41:43,199 --> 01:41:46,880
the DIA.

2246
01:41:45,119 --> 01:41:49,360
There are four main reasons that this

2247
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:51,119
makes sense and it's not about

2248
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:54,400
increasing our value. That's not what

2249
01:41:51,119 --> 01:41:56,320
we'll learn about. Um we really want to

2250
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:59,280
make sure that the boundary should

2251
01:41:56,320 --> 01:42:03,119
reflect how residents and visitors

2252
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:04,800
actually experience downtown Stratford.

2253
01:42:03,119 --> 01:42:07,520
Third, if the alignment would help

2254
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:10,080
create greater consistency for future

2255
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:12,400
investment, improve programs and

2256
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:15,040
economic development.

2257
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:17,360
Fourth, clear planning, one common

2258
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:19,840
definition of downtown will help the

2259
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:23,119
city and BIA better coordinate

2260
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:25,280
infrastructure, parking, transit, public

2261
01:42:23,119 --> 01:42:27,119
space improvements.

2262
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:29,679
As the city undertakes this broad

2263
01:42:27,119 --> 01:42:31,840
fighting process, we believe this is the

2264
01:42:29,679 --> 01:42:34,080
right time to address a boundary that

2265
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:36,960
has been in place for more than five

2266
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:39,520
decades. Our existed boundaries have

2267
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:41,600
served well and unbelievable.

2268
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:44,400
The staff return to demogize the

2269
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:47,760
boundaries, better align them, ensure

2270
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:50,239
the city, the VA understanding of the

2271
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:54,320
area we're working to support. On behalf

2272
01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:57,280
of the downtown VA, I respectfully also

2273
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:58,400
support this moving forward. Thank you.

2274
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:01,520
Thanks for your time.

2275
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:06,360
» Thank you.

2276
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:06,360
Just wondering whether somebody was else

2277
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:15,560
did you step by

2278
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:20,880
» Step.

2279
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:25,960
» Yes.

2280
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:25,960
» I don't believe I acknowledge her and

2281
01:43:27,199 --> 01:43:30,600
you can go back.

2282
01:43:31,199 --> 01:43:34,199
George

2283
01:43:36,719 --> 01:43:41,520
members council

2284
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:44,480
I appreciate and value the opportunity

2285
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:47,920
to be able to share a seat

2286
01:43:44,480 --> 01:43:50,480
gift. Yeah, just to share uh some of my

2287
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:52,639
uh my thoughts, opinions, and with me

2288
01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:55,520
tonight. And I I also very much

2289
01:43:52,639 --> 01:43:58,880
appreciate the opportunity to be able to

2290
01:43:55,520 --> 01:44:02,880
heard hear other people's opinions on on

2291
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:05,920
your new document. So, uh I'm going to

2292
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:08,080
I'm going to read my presentation to you

2293
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:09,440
and I just want to state up front uh

2294
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:11,920
that [clears throat] this document is a

2295
01:44:09,440 --> 01:44:14,080
co-creation. It's not simply mine. Uh

2296
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:16,000
there's been so many changes that

2297
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:18,880
Ministry means

2298
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:24,000
housing in terms of policy state

2299
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:26,400
planning that um mayor comes out that I

2300
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:29,520
simply have not easily been tempted to

2301
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:31,760
debug change.

2302
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:34,159
So when I was looking at this document I

2303
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:37,600
thought I'm going to list the help of a

2304
01:44:34,159 --> 01:44:41,280
planner planning that I use in the days

2305
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:44,080
of the annexation in 2020. So, this is

2306
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:46,000
my document. I own it, but it'll be

2307
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:47,760
obvious that I've had some professional

2308
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:51,360
input on this because I want to be very

2309
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:54,000
succinct with you. Keep it very.

2310
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:56,800
My name is Jim Gil and I'm a farm

2311
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:59,520
located at 41459

2312
01:44:56,800 --> 01:45:01,600
First Township just outside of the city

2313
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:04,080
of Stratford.

2314
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:05,360
My interest in appearing here today is

2315
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:08,239
to speak to the protection of

2316
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:10,400
agricultural landscape.

2317
01:45:08,239 --> 01:45:12,159
I am not trying to stop industrial

2318
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:15,119
development.

2319
01:45:12,159 --> 01:45:17,119
My interest is in making sure that the

2320
01:45:15,119 --> 01:45:21,199
amount of farmland designated for

2321
01:45:17,119 --> 01:45:25,040
industrial development is reasonable and

2322
01:45:21,199 --> 01:45:26,400
that it is completed in the right place.

2323
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:28,960
Firstly, the amount of land for

2324
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:31,119
industrial development. I have now had

2325
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:34,320
the chance to review the most recent

2326
01:45:31,119 --> 01:45:36,000
official plan reviewed report by Sienna

2327
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:38,480
Watson

2328
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:40,560
and would like to highlight five inputs

2329
01:45:38,480 --> 01:45:42,239
into the calculation that I would

2330
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:45,600
respectively

2331
01:45:42,239 --> 01:45:49,360
recommend should be revisited.

2332
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:51,608
The first input is the 15 employee per

2333
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:52,400
hectare density assumption.

2334
01:45:51,608 --> 01:45:54,800
[clears throat]

2335
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:57,040
It is my understanding that previously

2336
01:45:54,800 --> 01:46:01,119
targets used in various documents here

2337
01:45:57,040 --> 01:46:04,480
in the city of Stratford were using 25

2338
01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:07,280
to 30 employees per hectare for fully

2339
01:46:04,480 --> 01:46:10,239
service industrial land.

2340
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:13,600
The use of 15 employees per hectare is

2341
01:46:10,239 --> 01:46:16,719
more typical of densities projected for

2342
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:19,520
unservice industrial land.

2343
01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:21,920
I understand the lands to which this

2344
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:25,119
would apply are all anticipated to be

2345
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:27,920
fully serviced. So it is unclear to me

2346
01:46:25,119 --> 01:46:31,040
why would

2347
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:34,800
being used.

2348
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:39,280
Second input is the assumption that only

2349
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:43,119
10% of new industrial development occur

2350
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:46,800
on lands that are already developed. In

2351
01:46:43,119 --> 01:46:49,199
other words, through intensification,

2352
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:52,239
industries often buy larger parcels than

2353
01:46:49,199 --> 01:46:56,080
immediately required in order to provide

2354
01:46:52,239 --> 01:46:59,280
for future expansion opportunities.

2355
01:46:56,080 --> 01:47:01,920
Uh based on a review of aerial

2356
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:04,800
photography by Mr.

2357
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:07,360
and by ground truthing by myself simply

2358
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:09,840
driving through the indust

2359
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:13,280
appears to be sufficient opportunity to

2360
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:16,159
accommodate a much higher percentage of

2361
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:19,434
forecasted industrial growth through

2362
01:47:16,159 --> 01:47:19,434
intensification. [clears throat]

2363
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:27,679
Third is the inclusion of a 15% vacancy

2364
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:29,840
rate.

2365
01:47:27,679 --> 01:47:33,840
The city of St. official plan has a

2366
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:38,080
30-year planning horizon. Section 26 sub

2367
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:40,320
1.1 of the planning act requires updates

2368
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:44,320
to the new official plan to be completed

2369
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:46,400
within 10 years and every 5 years

2370
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:49,600
thereafter which is the reference by one

2371
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:51,600
of our previous speakers.

2372
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:53,679
This means that the new Straford

2373
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:56,800
official plan

2374
01:47:53,679 --> 01:47:58,960
will be reviewed four times before the

2375
01:47:56,800 --> 01:48:02,080
end of the 206

2376
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:05,360
planning horizon. Each update will

2377
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:07,840
involve a corresponding extension of the

2378
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:09,280
plan

2379
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:13,280
meaning that there should be at a

2380
01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:16,560
minimum 20 years worth of vacant plan

2381
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:20,000
remaining at any time.

2382
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:22,880
Now this this is a planners note here.

2383
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:26,719
This minimum vacant inventory would

2384
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:32,000
occur in 2036 before any extension of

2385
01:48:26,719 --> 01:48:35,440
planning horizon 2066 was to

2386
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:36,960
this equates to a minimum 67% vacancy

2387
01:48:35,440 --> 01:48:39,920
rate.

2388
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:46,119
So the question is why is an additional

2389
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:46,119
15% vacancy allowance required?

2390
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:51,760
Number four,

2391
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:56,639
the same concept applies to the addition

2392
01:48:51,760 --> 01:49:00,719
of a 20% contingency.

2393
01:48:56,639 --> 01:49:03,199
Why would you need the another 20%.

2394
01:49:00,719 --> 01:49:05,199
When at a minimum

2395
01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:08,719
the planner notes again when at a

2396
01:49:05,199 --> 01:49:13,920
minimum we would already have an 81%

2397
01:49:08,719 --> 01:49:20,400
agency 66% unemployment growth 2036 to

2398
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:22,880
2056 plus a 15% contingency plan.

2399
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:25,920
uh the fifth and final input that should

2400
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:29,360
be reviewed in the use of

2401
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:32,080
in the use of an 80% factor to determine

2402
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:34,639
net land use from gross land

2403
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:36,880
acquisition.

2404
01:49:34,639 --> 01:49:39,920
So that means what you need to deduct

2405
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:42,080
for your right way, your easements, your

2406
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:44,000
utilities, infrastructure,

2407
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:46,080
etc.

2408
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:49,360
The city of Straford in the past has

2409
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:53,280
typically used 85%

2410
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:56,560
Why is this faculty being changed to

2411
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:59,920
each of these five inputs provide for

2412
01:49:56,560 --> 01:50:02,800
redesation of more agricultural land to

2413
01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:05,119
industrial than is necessary to

2414
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:06,800
accommodate the forecasted industrial

2415
01:50:05,119 --> 01:50:09,119
employment.

2416
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:11,440
All five of these inputs should give

2417
01:50:09,119 --> 01:50:13,840
review at this point before you move on

2418
01:50:11,440 --> 01:50:16,840
to the virtual

2419
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:16,840
screen.

2420
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:24,719
Secondly is the direction of future

2421
01:50:21,679 --> 01:50:27,760
growth of your industrial ends.

2422
01:50:24,719 --> 01:50:30,880
The only publicly released uh report

2423
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:33,760
supporting the 2020 annexation was a

2424
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:36,320
planning justification reported by

2425
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:40,400
Arington Maven.

2426
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:43,199
This report is seriously flawed.

2427
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:45,280
It fails to follow provincial policy to

2428
01:50:43,199 --> 01:50:47,840
terminate the direction of future

2429
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:50,960
growth.

2430
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:53,920
It is obvious in hindsight that the sole

2431
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:58,560
purpose of this report

2432
01:50:53,920 --> 01:51:02,639
was to justify inclusion of land out to

2433
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:06,719
and including lands already pre-selected

2434
01:51:02,639 --> 01:51:11,000
for the glass manufacturing facility

2435
01:51:06,719 --> 01:51:11,000
outside of any public process.

2436
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:17,040
The direction of any future growth in

2437
01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:20,400
the city of Straford should not be

2438
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:24,400
predetermined based upon a flawed and

2439
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:27,920
subsequently abandoned process.

2440
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:30,400
The annexation should be revoked

2441
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:33,600
and the determination as to the

2442
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:37,360
direction of future growth should be

2443
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:40,960
left to a comprehensive review

2444
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:43,040
of the city of

2445
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:46,000
this can be done in accordance with the

2446
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:50,960
provisions of the provincial policy

2447
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:52,480
statement which which require legitimate

2448
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:55,520
consideration

2449
01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:59,040
of a fold or anything of potential

2450
01:51:55,520 --> 01:52:01,360
location objects.

2451
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:05,199
I uh I have this all in electronic form

2452
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:09,960
and I will respect submitted to whoever

2453
01:52:05,199 --> 01:52:09,960
you would care to select it to me.

2454
01:52:10,239 --> 01:52:15,679
I can send it to you if it's been

2455
01:52:11,599 --> 01:52:19,719
clearly fine and and I'm I'm free to

2456
01:52:15,679 --> 01:52:19,719
open to any questions about

2457
01:52:22,159 --> 01:52:26,639
» Uh through the mayor. Uh thanks for for

2458
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:29,840
presenting that information which is

2459
01:52:26,639 --> 01:52:32,719
very useful. Did you manage to when you

2460
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:37,840
did those subtractions figure out what

2461
01:52:32,719 --> 01:52:40,639
that would uh decrease the net uh plans

2462
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:42,320
that we would need for industrial? I

2463
01:52:40,639 --> 01:52:44,800
personally didn't do that. You're saying

2464
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:47,599
did I do the math to get from was it 91

2465
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:49,520
hectares down to another? No, I I

2466
01:52:47,599 --> 01:52:53,280
didn't. What I'm what I'm hoping to

2467
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:56,639
suggest is that this is something that

2468
01:52:53,280 --> 01:53:00,000
you need to review lots needs to review

2469
01:52:56,639 --> 01:53:02,800
before the next step and hopefully if I

2470
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:04,639
get a little more of that information or

2471
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:06,159
my

2472
01:53:04,639 --> 01:53:09,520
answer

2473
01:53:06,159 --> 01:53:13,040
maybe that will help

2474
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:15,760
and and again my

2475
01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:19,199
would would make himself available on my

2476
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:19,199
behalf to provide details.

2477
01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:23,920
Any other comments or questions with

2478
01:53:21,679 --> 01:53:28,119
secretary at this time?

2479
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:28,119
See none. Thank you very much.

2480
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:35,679
» State your name for the record, please.

2481
01:53:33,440 --> 01:53:37,920
» Yes, Robert.

2482
01:53:35,679 --> 01:53:42,159
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2483
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:45,679
Um, I just want to clarify that the uh

2484
01:53:42,159 --> 01:53:49,280
91 nectar that we have to add to our

2485
01:53:45,679 --> 01:53:51,520
industrial inventory does not include

2486
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:55,679
the land that was recently annexed from

2487
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:58,400
verse 7. Is that correct?

2488
01:53:55,679 --> 01:54:02,800
» I can't answer that, but perhaps when we

2489
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:03,520
wrap up that answer in the wrapup andor

2490
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:06,400
information

2491
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:10,159
» According to what Mr. And that's going

2492
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:10,719
to do that is the area south of the

2493
01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:12,320
Duke.

2494
01:54:10,719 --> 01:54:15,308
» Well, we will add the

2495
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:18,239
» Okay, my point is Thank you.

2496
01:54:15,308 --> 01:54:21,599
[clears throat] My point is that this is

2497
01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:24,960
the last place in Canada that we should

2498
01:54:21,599 --> 01:54:28,239
be taking farmland and turning it into

2499
01:54:24,960 --> 01:54:31,520
factories. This is the finest farmland

2500
01:54:28,239 --> 01:54:34,800
in the country. When European settlers

2501
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:38,159
arrived, the soil was so deep that it

2502
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:41,520
grew trees with 7 foot diameter and it

2503
01:54:38,159 --> 01:54:44,239
was a peculiar task to clear the land

2504
01:54:41,520 --> 01:54:47,440
and that today is some of the finest

2505
01:54:44,239 --> 01:54:51,679
farmland in the world and it produces

2506
01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:53,840
food. We all need food and it was

2507
01:54:51,679 --> 01:54:56,880
absolutely

2508
01:54:53,840 --> 01:55:00,080
wrong for this city to be just being

2509
01:54:56,880 --> 01:55:02,480
like any other city in the country. This

2510
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:06,560
report is just a

2511
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:09,360
statistical exercise. It doesn't reflect

2512
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:12,719
who we are in Stratford. You'll notice

2513
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:16,080
that the word festival appears nowhere

2514
01:55:12,719 --> 01:55:21,280
in the report. We are unique.

2515
01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:25,199
We have a a a worldclass institution

2516
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:28,400
here that gives us the character that

2517
01:55:25,199 --> 01:55:31,599
draws people to live here, to open

2518
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:34,960
businesses, to open factories too.

2519
01:55:31,599 --> 01:55:38,800
And everything we do needs to be focused

2520
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:42,320
on keeping the quality of life and the

2521
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:45,440
millure that makes the festival thrive

2522
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:48,000
because the city thrives because the

2523
01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:52,080
festival is here. Otherwise, we're just

2524
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:54,719
another town that doesn't have anything

2525
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:58,000
of of distinction. We have a unique need

2526
01:55:54,719 --> 01:56:00,320
to protect the quality of life that we

2527
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:04,800
have here. And we also have an

2528
01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:06,800
obligation to protect farmland being you

2529
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:09,920
talk about being sustainable. It's

2530
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:13,920
mentioned once in this report and that's

2531
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:16,960
not good enough. Um it refers to primary

2532
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:18,960
industries in agriculture as well.

2533
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:20,560
There's no potential for that here.

2534
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:24,159
Well, when are we going to get serious

2535
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:26,000
and stop having acres and acres of flat

2536
01:56:24,159 --> 01:56:28,320
roofs that aren't being used for

2537
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:29,840
anything? They could be used for green

2538
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:32,320
houses and that creates [clears throat]

2539
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:35,280
a lot of work and a greenhouse is not a

2540
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:38,080
heavy structure put on top of a factory

2541
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:40,880
not like putting deep top soil on top of

2542
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:43,760
it. Green houses using hydroponics are

2543
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:46,560
very light buildings. So we should be

2544
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:50,080
saying that's what we want in this city

2545
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:51,599
and then we can create jobs and have

2546
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:55,199
intensification

2547
01:56:51,599 --> 01:56:57,119
and create food. I mean

2548
01:56:55,199 --> 01:56:59,520
green houses there's a big operation

2549
01:56:57,119 --> 01:57:03,520
near exit the client's just fine for

2550
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:05,599
green houses the technology is there and

2551
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:07,520
the menite farmers around the library

2552
01:57:05,599 --> 01:57:10,000
broke some of the finest tomatoes in the

2553
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:11,440
country in green houses they got they

2554
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:15,440
saw there was a market and they're

2555
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:18,480
meeting it so [clears throat] this

2556
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:21,440
report doesn't really do us any good at

2557
01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:23,040
Straford we need to get serious about

2558
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:24,800
intensification

2559
01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:27,199
And I'll give you an example. I was at

2560
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:30,080
the Shaw Festival last week in Niagara

2561
01:57:27,199 --> 01:57:32,560
Lake. They have a nice shopping center

2562
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:35,040
as you come in the main entrance of town

2563
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:37,520
and it looks like downtown Stratford on

2564
01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:39,280
a smaller scale. They're multi-story

2565
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:41,360
buildings with offices and apartments

2566
01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:44,000
above the stores.

2567
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:46,719
And the QEDW was plugged up on my way

2568
01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:50,159
home. So, I followed the lake shore and

2569
01:57:46,719 --> 01:57:53,119
ended up in Grimby's new development

2570
01:57:50,159 --> 01:57:57,520
area, Grimby on the lake. And they've

2571
01:57:53,119 --> 01:58:00,320
created a main street with shops

2572
01:57:57,520 --> 01:58:02,960
and on the ground floor and three-story

2573
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:07,679
buildings with offices and apartments.

2574
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:10,719
They've created a town just like what we

2575
01:58:07,679 --> 01:58:13,119
have here and should be working hard to

2576
01:58:10,719 --> 01:58:16,159
protect. we with new commercial

2577
01:58:13,119 --> 01:58:19,199
development should all be multi-story

2578
01:58:16,159 --> 01:58:22,080
with housing. Um because of

2579
01:58:19,199 --> 01:58:24,400
gentrification and the demand of

2580
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:26,159
short-term accommodation, a lot of the

2581
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:28,080
people who work in Stratford can't

2582
01:58:26,159 --> 01:58:30,000
afford to live here because the

2583
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:32,719
overstore apartments are now being

2584
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:35,040
converted into the hydroastic

2585
01:58:32,719 --> 01:58:37,520
accommodation that they can't afford.

2586
01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:40,400
Well, any new commercial development

2587
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:43,360
should be serving that need. And you

2588
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:46,400
know, it just painens me to drive down

2589
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:49,280
Ontario Street and see acres of

2590
01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:51,840
one-story buildings that could be

2591
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:53,679
buildings with apartments above them and

2592
01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:56,560
creating communities because you've got

2593
01:58:53,679 --> 01:58:58,639
services there. And that's what we need

2594
01:58:56,560 --> 01:59:00,480
to be doing. A walk-in lifestyle should

2595
01:58:58,639 --> 01:59:03,520
be created everywhere in the city, not

2596
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:05,760
just in Thor. a privilege to to live a

2597
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:09,040
10-minute walk from here. Yes, I walk

2598
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:12,239
tonight. Um, but we can't we can do that

2599
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:14,960
in neighborhoods and we need to do that.

2600
01:59:12,239 --> 01:59:17,599
No more one-story buildings in this city

2601
01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:20,159
should be our mantra. So, all the

2602
01:59:17,599 --> 01:59:23,199
statistics in this report don't do us a

2603
01:59:20,159 --> 01:59:25,520
lot of good if we are really serious

2604
01:59:23,199 --> 01:59:27,840
about sustainability, about our

2605
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:31,280
environment.

2606
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:33,119
I'll be gone soon. But um we need to be

2607
01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:35,599
looking out for our grandchildren and

2608
01:59:33,119 --> 01:59:39,520
our great grandchildren. We need to be

2609
01:59:35,599 --> 01:59:42,320
looking out for the world. And I think

2610
01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:45,199
Ben factory is going to change

2611
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:47,520
if we get a lot more electric cars. They

2612
01:59:45,199 --> 01:59:50,480
have far fewer parts. So there'll be a

2613
01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:54,159
lot less uh car part manufacturing going

2614
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:57,520
on. Um people will still find jobs. They

2615
01:59:54,159 --> 01:59:59,599
always do. and we can accommodate them

2616
01:59:57,520 --> 02:00:02,159
and that land should be turned back to

2617
01:59:59,599 --> 02:00:04,719
those farmers. They want to farm. They

2618
02:00:02,159 --> 02:00:07,119
don't want the big paycheck from selling

2619
02:00:04,719 --> 02:00:09,199
their land for development. They want to

2620
02:00:07,119 --> 02:00:11,920
farm. So for heaven's sake, read about

2621
02:00:09,199 --> 02:00:15,199
that boundary and give them some

2622
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:18,320
stability that they can stay in

2623
02:00:15,199 --> 02:00:20,800
agriculture. You know that yourself, Mr.

2624
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:23,520
Mayor, that you need to have stability

2625
02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:25,040
to know that 10 years from now you're

2626
02:00:23,520 --> 02:00:27,840
going to still have that land. And so

2627
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:31,280
it's worth your while to put back into

2628
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:34,159
the land so that it remains fertile and

2629
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:35,840
remains some of the best farmland in the

2630
02:00:34,159 --> 02:00:39,599
world. And as [clears throat] far as

2631
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:42,159
removals, that are not going to happen.

2632
02:00:39,599 --> 02:00:44,800
That's just fiction. But there is one

2633
02:00:42,159 --> 02:00:47,520
that can happen. The Scotia Bank

2634
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:50,000
building is not a place to put the

2635
02:00:47,520 --> 02:00:52,560
police headquarters. It should be an

2636
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:54,719
industrial site. And you better set the

2637
02:00:52,560 --> 02:01:00,040
example by starting. That should be

2638
02:00:54,719 --> 02:01:00,040
removal number one. Thank you very much.

2639
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:05,239
» Thank you very much.

2640
02:01:05,760 --> 02:01:09,239
» Okay. I believe

2641
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:16,000
» Yeah. Thanks so much for your

2642
02:01:13,119 --> 02:01:18,560
organization. Really appreciate it and

2643
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:20,400
you are very committee mind and would

2644
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:23,040
love to work with you and I would love

2645
02:01:20,400 --> 02:01:24,000
your advice for our community. Thanks so

2646
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:27,520
much.

2647
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:30,639
» Okay, I'm here. I'm got a lot of

2648
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:33,040
experience. Had my own farm for 15 years

2649
02:01:30,639 --> 02:01:35,119
just up the road near Wall Lake. I know

2650
02:01:33,040 --> 02:01:39,719
what I'm talking about with agriculture.

2651
02:01:35,119 --> 02:01:39,719
I got a lot of dirt on the bike

2652
02:01:40,159 --> 02:01:45,040
for any other

2653
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:48,960
public at this time.

2654
02:01:45,040 --> 02:01:51,360
Any other presentations to the public?

2655
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:54,000
The final any other presentations,

2656
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:57,840
questions or comments?

2657
02:01:54,000 --> 02:02:00,560
Seeing none, I'm going to ask staff and

2658
02:01:57,840 --> 02:02:06,040
all to come forward and

2659
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:06,040
perhaps answer some of the questions and

2660
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:18,480
Right. Um Drew

2661
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:20,800
mayor. Um

2662
02:02:18,480 --> 02:02:24,480
that was that was

2663
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:27,119
great great feedback and comments. Um

2664
02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:29,199
I'm taking notes. Hopefully I've

2665
02:02:27,119 --> 02:02:31,119
captured most of the themes and

2666
02:02:29,199 --> 02:02:32,639
questions and comments that were raised.

2667
02:02:31,119 --> 02:02:34,960
I'll do my best here to answer them.

2668
02:02:32,639 --> 02:02:37,280
sort of focusing on on those

2669
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:39,280
specifically that are related to the

2670
02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:41,679
growth study itself and then perhaps

2671
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:43,920
some of the broader planning um

2672
02:02:41,679 --> 02:02:48,159
components can be discussed by staff and

2673
02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:51,679
and uh uh the consultant from

2674
02:02:48,159 --> 02:02:53,840
on the planning side. Um

2675
02:02:51,679 --> 02:02:56,800
there was early on there was a comment

2676
02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:59,119
related regarding the removals uh that I

2677
02:02:56,800 --> 02:03:02,239
had identified in our work uh in

2678
02:02:59,119 --> 02:03:05,520
employment area review about 40 or so

2679
02:03:02,239 --> 02:03:07,840
hectors and uh the question or comment

2680
02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:10,400
was were they factored into the

2681
02:03:07,840 --> 02:03:13,199
intensification analysis and the answer

2682
02:03:10,400 --> 02:03:16,159
is yes. Um so essentially because a lot

2683
02:03:13,199 --> 02:03:18,320
of those lands uh you know would be are

2684
02:03:16,159 --> 02:03:20,080
are underutilized or have opportunities

2685
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:22,000
to accommodate you know further

2686
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:23,920
commercial and and institutional life

2687
02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:26,560
type development. That's one of the

2688
02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:28,560
reasons why our intensification

2689
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:31,440
uh percentage for commercial land needs

2690
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:34,159
was 60%. Which is quite high and we

2691
02:03:31,440 --> 02:03:36,800
recognized many of the opportunities for

2692
02:03:34,159 --> 02:03:39,040
for intensification including those

2693
02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:41,599
lands uh that were identified for

2694
02:03:39,040 --> 02:03:44,560
removals. Um

2695
02:03:41,599 --> 02:03:47,760
I think it speaks more broadly I think

2696
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:50,880
as far as the need for sustainable

2697
02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:53,280
um growth. Uh and I think one of the

2698
02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:55,599
words you know comes to mind is it needs

2699
02:03:53,280 --> 02:03:57,679
to be balanced. Um, you know, we need to

2700
02:03:55,599 --> 02:03:59,040
kind of recognize,

2701
02:03:57,679 --> 02:04:00,719
uh, that, you know, obviously we can't

2702
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:02,880
we can't grow in and just, you know,

2703
02:04:00,719 --> 02:04:03,920
looking at new green field areas. Uh, to

2704
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:06,159
accommodate development and

2705
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:07,760
intensification and county growth in

2706
02:04:06,159 --> 02:04:09,840
your buildup area is incredibly

2707
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:12,080
important and certainly our report

2708
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:14,239
reflects that in in the share of housing

2709
02:04:12,080 --> 02:04:16,719
growth that's anticipated to be able to

2710
02:04:14,239 --> 02:04:19,119
develop area and commercial

2711
02:04:16,719 --> 02:04:20,480
institutional employment. Um, and then

2712
02:04:19,119 --> 02:04:23,360
of course higher densities of

2713
02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:27,040
development. um uh you know particularly

2714
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:29,119
with higher uh density type housing um

2715
02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:31,119
you know release kind of speaks to that.

2716
02:04:29,119 --> 02:04:33,199
Um I got to come back on the employment

2717
02:04:31,119 --> 02:04:34,320
land piece a little bit um because I

2718
02:04:33,199 --> 02:04:37,199
know there's been a lot of sort of

2719
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:40,800
commentary related to the deficit of 91

2720
02:04:37,199 --> 02:04:43,840
growth sectors. Um first is that in the

2721
02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:47,679
landing port more broadly where we have

2722
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:50,320
identified a deficit um part of the

2723
02:04:47,679 --> 02:04:52,239
growth study did not look at options in

2724
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:55,199
terms of where to accommodate or how to

2725
02:04:52,239 --> 02:04:56,800
address that deficit. So um we basically

2726
02:04:55,199 --> 02:04:59,440
looked at here's the forecast land

2727
02:04:56,800 --> 02:05:00,960
demand, here's your designated land

2728
02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:04,000
supply. So basically lands that are

2729
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:07,040
currently designated for employment uses

2730
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:08,560
and um and with those adjustment what's

2731
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:10,480
the [clears throat] deficit and whether

2732
02:05:08,560 --> 02:05:13,760
where those where that how how that

2733
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:16,159
deficit will be addressed through future

2734
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:19,199
locations. Our our work has not looked

2735
02:05:16,159 --> 02:05:21,040
at that. So um that obviously is part of

2736
02:05:19,199 --> 02:05:25,280
broader key work and planning work

2737
02:05:21,040 --> 02:05:29,280
that's uh that's being undertaken. Um

2738
02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:32,159
there was also um uh a comment on the

2739
02:05:29,280 --> 02:05:34,960
need for more uh diverse diversity

2740
02:05:32,159 --> 02:05:37,119
housing included smaller units. Um and

2741
02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:39,920
certainly when we look at our housing

2742
02:05:37,119 --> 02:05:41,360
mix for forecast housing growth and the

2743
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:43,440
the relatively high share for

2744
02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:46,159
highdensity housing apartments of all

2745
02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:48,000
types almost 50% of the housing growth

2746
02:05:46,159 --> 02:05:49,840
most of those are going to be relatively

2747
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:52,239
small units whether they be one or two

2748
02:05:49,840 --> 02:05:54,639
bedroom or maybe even studio units. So

2749
02:05:52,239 --> 02:05:57,119
recognize the need and demand for more

2750
02:05:54,639 --> 02:06:00,480
affordable housing especially for for

2751
02:05:57,119 --> 02:06:04,400
smaller household types um going

2752
02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:06,719
forward. Um

2753
02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:11,360
the other aspect I think that I'm going

2754
02:06:06,719 --> 02:06:13,920
to try and address here is that um

2755
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:15,920
there was quite a bit of commentary from

2756
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:19,040
uh regarding the land use assessment for

2757
02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:21,119
the employment areas uh 91 gross sector

2758
02:06:19,040 --> 02:06:22,719
deficit and the calculation of the

2759
02:06:21,119 --> 02:06:24,960
assumptions that went into that. So

2760
02:06:22,719 --> 02:06:27,840
maybe I'll just walk through a few

2761
02:06:24,960 --> 02:06:30,880
comments on that. um want to have to do

2762
02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:33,760
with uh the job density of 15 jobs per

2763
02:06:30,880 --> 02:06:38,960
net hector versus using something higher

2764
02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:42,239
such as 25 or 30 jobs per net hector. Um

2765
02:06:38,960 --> 02:06:44,400
so 15 jobs per net hector is is

2766
02:06:42,239 --> 02:06:46,079
representative of the types of industry

2767
02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:48,639
sectors that we would expect to be

2768
02:06:46,079 --> 02:06:51,119
accommodated with the employment areas

2769
02:06:48,639 --> 02:06:53,840
uh in Stratford moving forward. So

2770
02:06:51,119 --> 02:06:56,719
generates advanced manufacturing, food

2771
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:58,480
processing, uh construction um

2772
02:06:56,719 --> 02:07:00,239
employment areas tend to have relatively

2773
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:02,239
low densities, employment densities

2774
02:07:00,239 --> 02:07:03,679
compared to commercial or institutional

2775
02:07:02,239 --> 02:07:05,679
sectors. So I think it's important to

2776
02:07:03,679 --> 02:07:08,560
kind of understand or kind and recognize

2777
02:07:05,679 --> 02:07:11,520
that um there may be some sectors that

2778
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:13,280
can achieve 25 or 30 jobs per net hector

2779
02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:15,840
but on the whole looking at it on a

2780
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:17,599
weighted basis 15 drops per net hector

2781
02:07:15,840 --> 02:07:20,719
is representative of what we believe

2782
02:07:17,599 --> 02:07:23,199
with breeding the mold moving forward.

2783
02:07:20,719 --> 02:07:25,199
Um the other aspect too which uh creates

2784
02:07:23,199 --> 02:07:27,920
challenges with respect to job density

2785
02:07:25,199 --> 02:07:29,920
in in industrial development is with

2786
02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:33,119
increasing share of automation and more

2787
02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:35,119
capital intensive type manufacturing. Uh

2788
02:07:33,119 --> 02:07:37,040
it's difficult to get higher densities

2789
02:07:35,119 --> 02:07:38,719
just because of the nature of work.

2790
02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:41,119
Essentially you just need less people

2791
02:07:38,719 --> 02:07:44,719
working in in factories of various

2792
02:07:41,119 --> 02:07:46,159
types. um the 10% intensification

2793
02:07:44,719 --> 02:07:49,360
assumption

2794
02:07:46,159 --> 02:07:52,639
» For employment areas um uh with the

2795
02:07:49,360 --> 02:07:54,400
comment that that seems low. Um one one

2796
02:07:52,639 --> 02:07:56,800
thing is important to recognize is that

2797
02:07:54,400 --> 02:08:00,079
the 10% intensification is based on

2798
02:07:56,800 --> 02:08:03,040
employment not building GFA. So what we

2799
02:08:00,079 --> 02:08:05,119
tend to find in studies is that um if a

2800
02:08:03,040 --> 02:08:07,599
plant expands

2801
02:08:05,119 --> 02:08:10,320
um let's say by a certain percentage

2802
02:08:07,599 --> 02:08:11,840
they may hire some additional workers

2803
02:08:10,320 --> 02:08:14,239
but it's not going to be sort of

2804
02:08:11,840 --> 02:08:17,040
representative of the base relationship

2805
02:08:14,239 --> 02:08:18,800
between jobs and the and the floor space

2806
02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:21,520
of the existing plant. So you tend to

2807
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:23,520
get more TFA or more floor space but not

2808
02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:26,880
necessarily as an equal amount of

2809
02:08:23,520 --> 02:08:29,040
employment freedom. So while we do see

2810
02:08:26,880 --> 02:08:32,560
obviously more opportunities for

2811
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:35,119
building additions u on many sites uh a

2812
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:38,079
10% employment uh intensification

2813
02:08:35,119 --> 02:08:40,159
assumption is is generally what we would

2814
02:08:38,079 --> 02:08:42,719
consider reasonable within a market like

2815
02:08:40,159 --> 02:08:44,960
Stratford especially when land values

2816
02:08:42,719 --> 02:08:48,079
are are still relatively low compared to

2817
02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:50,480
the GTA for example. So again like if

2818
02:08:48,079 --> 02:08:52,320
there's a need to look at that um you

2819
02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:54,960
know it becomes a little bit more of a a

2820
02:08:52,320 --> 02:08:57,280
policy discussion uh in terms of you

2821
02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:58,719
know is the hiring intensification rate

2822
02:08:57,280 --> 02:09:01,199
uh something that we would want to

2823
02:08:58,719 --> 02:09:02,880
consider uh but from a market lens

2824
02:09:01,199 --> 02:09:07,119
perspective this is sort of a reasonable

2825
02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:09,199
baseline. Um then there was also uh a

2826
02:09:07,119 --> 02:09:13,920
couple comments related to the net to

2827
02:09:09,199 --> 02:09:17,280
gross ratio of 20%. Um and the comment

2828
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:19,280
that 15% has been used previously. The

2829
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:22,000
15% is probably reasonable when we're

2830
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:24,480
looking at rightway for roads and and

2831
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:26,800
those sorts of non-developable features.

2832
02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:29,040
Um, but certainly there's also space

2833
02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:30,639
needs for a storm water management

2834
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:33,840
facilities and those tend to be quite

2835
02:09:30,639 --> 02:09:36,639
land expansive. And so in a in a you

2836
02:09:33,840 --> 02:09:38,960
know a municipality like Stratford um

2837
02:09:36,639 --> 02:09:41,679
you know an 80% net to gross ratio is

2838
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:44,880
standard practice and and while we would

2839
02:09:41,679 --> 02:09:48,239
apply in any community similar urban

2840
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:52,400
type of Stratford um and then finally

2841
02:09:48,239 --> 02:09:56,079
the the the vacancy adjustment uh 15%

2842
02:09:52,400 --> 02:09:59,599
and then and the bump up u for future

2843
02:09:56,079 --> 02:10:02,320
land needs of of an additional 20%. The

2844
02:09:59,599 --> 02:10:05,679
vacancy adjustments um are basically

2845
02:10:02,320 --> 02:10:08,079
there to off the market choice and it's

2846
02:10:05,679 --> 02:10:10,480
important because new provincial

2847
02:10:08,079 --> 02:10:12,639
planning direction gives municipalities

2848
02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:14,079
more flexibility with respect to trying

2849
02:10:12,639 --> 02:10:15,920
to ensure there's sufficient market

2850
02:10:14,079 --> 02:10:19,920
choice to home future industry and

2851
02:10:15,920 --> 02:10:21,679
business needs. Um so again like that

2852
02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:23,360
may be a subject for discussion that's

2853
02:10:21,679 --> 02:10:25,760
why even in the report it's kind of

2854
02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:28,159
presented as what the net growth and

2855
02:10:25,760 --> 02:10:31,520
what those gross numbers look like. uh

2856
02:10:28,159 --> 02:10:33,760
but again based on industry practices

2857
02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:35,840
that's you know how we presented that

2858
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:37,280
information but again that's subject to

2859
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:40,800
you know further refinement and

2860
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:43,960
discussion as well uh from our end um I

2861
02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:43,960
think that's

2862
02:10:54,400 --> 02:10:58,719
» Yes thanks 3D worship um so there's a

2863
02:10:56,880 --> 02:11:00,239
lot of for Mr. Chair today. Thank you,

2864
02:10:58,719 --> 02:11:01,840
Mr. Cardan, for responding to the

2865
02:11:00,239 --> 02:11:04,000
comments raised from the public. Um,

2866
02:11:01,840 --> 02:11:05,440
very insightful comments. I think what

2867
02:11:04,000 --> 02:11:08,000
this is a public meeting, so I think

2868
02:11:05,440 --> 02:11:09,679
what we can do is to provide a followup

2869
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:11,599
report to the comments tonight and what

2870
02:11:09,679 --> 02:11:13,360
this looks like moving forward for the

2871
02:11:11,599 --> 02:11:15,440
next steps of the official plan review.

2872
02:11:13,360 --> 02:11:16,800
I know that we are I would like to let

2873
02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:19,040
council know that we are actively

2874
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:21,599
working on the the revised updated

2875
02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:23,440
effect of the official plan and then

2876
02:11:21,599 --> 02:11:25,360
getting into the actual land use uh

2877
02:11:23,440 --> 02:11:27,760
planning changes. So, the land use map.

2878
02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:29,520
So um unless there's anything further to

2879
02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:31,360
add here which I think what staff can do

2880
02:11:29,520 --> 02:11:32,880
is work on a follow that will be

2881
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:34,239
presented to council based on all the

2882
02:11:32,880 --> 02:11:36,000
information and comments we received

2883
02:11:34,239 --> 02:11:37,440
tonight and what that looks like for

2884
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:40,239
council to move forward to next steps on

2885
02:11:37,440 --> 02:11:42,400
the plan. Thank you Brad for that

2886
02:11:40,239 --> 02:11:44,960
permission counc

2887
02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:46,719
I just have a quick question so you

2888
02:11:44,960 --> 02:11:48,239
mentioned about the storm water

2889
02:11:46,719 --> 02:11:49,599
management like it takes up a lot of

2890
02:11:48,239 --> 02:11:52,560
space

2891
02:11:49,599 --> 02:11:54,159
» Um as you're going around things are you

2892
02:11:52,560 --> 02:11:57,400
finding people are switching more over

2893
02:11:54,159 --> 02:11:57,400
to LED

2894
02:11:58,320 --> 02:12:03,026
» Oh no li sorry [laughter]

2895
02:12:03,440 --> 02:12:06,639
that takes up the space

2896
02:12:05,440 --> 02:12:07,840
» Right through through the

2897
02:12:06,639 --> 02:12:10,000
» Or do you have any answer

2898
02:12:07,840 --> 02:12:12,800
» I I don't have any specific insights on

2899
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:14,480
on those types of trends? I mean um you

2900
02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:16,560
know again like these calculations are

2901
02:12:14,480 --> 02:12:18,320
based on sort of general um you know

2902
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:21,280
best practices in terms of developable

2903
02:12:18,320 --> 02:12:24,320
and non-develop features. Um you know

2904
02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:27,840
perhaps you know that more an 80% net

2905
02:12:24,320 --> 02:12:30,079
growth is actually u relatively modest.

2906
02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:32,560
Uh there's some jurisdictions we may

2907
02:12:30,079 --> 02:12:34,719
even do 75%. So that bump up would be

2908
02:12:32,560 --> 02:12:36,719
even larger. So within a more urban

2909
02:12:34,719 --> 02:12:40,079
context uh you know we're looking at

2910
02:12:36,719 --> 02:12:43,599
more urban type employment areas 80% of

2911
02:12:40,079 --> 02:12:46,599
the gross is is quite typical of urban

2912
02:12:43,599 --> 02:12:46,599
settler

2913
02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:05,639
questions. Thank you very much. Thank

2914
02:13:02,639 --> 02:13:05,639
you.

2915
02:13:06,960 --> 02:13:11,920
» So, as we bring the the meeting to a

2916
02:13:09,040 --> 02:13:13,920
close, city council intends to consider

2917
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:15,679
the official plan at a future regular

2918
02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:18,560
transfer meeting where members will have

2919
02:13:15,679 --> 02:13:20,400
an opportunity for full discussion as

2920
02:13:18,560 --> 02:13:22,800
the viewing comments received from the

2921
02:13:20,400 --> 02:13:24,960
public. At this time, if anyone would

2922
02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:29,360
like to receive further notice of this

2923
02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:31,440
matter, please email clerks.ca.

2924
02:13:29,360 --> 02:13:34,000
A video of this meeting will be posted

2925
02:13:31,440 --> 02:13:37,840
to the city's website. This a public

2926
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:39,199
meeting it's adjourned and clerk uh as I

2927
02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:40,960
hand the meeting back to you. I'm

2928
02:13:39,199 --> 02:13:43,119
wondering if we can address the

2929
02:13:40,960 --> 02:13:46,400
correspondence with this item and then

2930
02:13:43,119 --> 02:13:48,159
perhaps entertain a short recess for

2931
02:13:46,400 --> 02:13:50,880
your worship. Yes, that'd be great. So,

2932
02:13:48,159 --> 02:13:52,719
as outlined on the agenda, there is um

2933
02:13:50,880 --> 02:13:54,639
correspondence from Dav and McCulli on

2934
02:13:52,719 --> 02:13:56,239
behalf of Armstrong and President. And

2935
02:13:54,639 --> 02:13:59,760
there's a motion that the correspondence

2936
02:13:56,239 --> 02:14:01,679
from Dav and McCulli be received.

2937
02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:04,960
moved by council Henderson, second by

2938
02:14:01,679 --> 02:14:08,239
council. Any discussion?

2939
02:14:04,960 --> 02:14:10,960
Seeing none, call question. All in favor

2940
02:14:08,239 --> 02:14:13,920
of any that's unless carry and I'm going

2941
02:14:10,960 --> 02:14:16,639
to suggest we take a short

2942
02:14:13,920 --> 02:14:18,560
max 10 minute break

2943
02:14:16,639 --> 02:14:21,560
your

2944
02:14:18,560 --> 02:14:21,560
direction.

2945
02:23:43,840 --> 02:23:46,840
Thanks.

2946
02:24:14,399 --> 02:24:19,439
Item seven, third day. Item 7.1 is a

2947
02:24:17,680 --> 02:24:23,280
recommendation report for application

2948
02:24:19,439 --> 02:24:27,040
for building bylaw amendment 04-15.

2949
02:24:23,280 --> 02:24:32,280
Mrs. Bird lands on purpose way.

2950
02:24:27,040 --> 02:24:32,280
The man of planning has a presentation.

2951
02:24:35,680 --> 02:24:38,920
Thank you very

2952
02:24:46,880 --> 02:24:52,080
good afternoon council members of the

2953
02:24:50,160 --> 02:24:53,760
public. My name is Mark and Brock,

2954
02:24:52,080 --> 02:24:56,080
manager of planning for the city of

2955
02:24:53,760 --> 02:24:58,560
Strawber. I'm here to present an

2956
02:24:56,080 --> 02:25:00,880
application for zoning file amendments

2957
02:24:58,560 --> 02:25:04,880
04-26

2958
02:25:00,880 --> 02:25:07,520
for block 6371

2959
02:25:04,880 --> 02:25:10,479
uh located on Ferguson way. Following my

2960
02:25:07,520 --> 02:25:13,200
presentation, the uh theian Kristen

2961
02:25:10,479 --> 02:25:15,439
Ferrisdale from GSP group, she's in

2962
02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:18,439
attendance to also speak about this

2963
02:25:15,439 --> 02:25:18,439
group.

2964
02:25:20,479 --> 02:25:26,880
As shown on the map, the subject lands

2965
02:25:23,439 --> 02:25:29,040
comprises uh nine separate lots

2966
02:25:26,880 --> 02:25:33,600
situated on the east and west sides of

2967
02:25:29,040 --> 02:25:35,760
Ferguson Way south of Callway and north

2968
02:25:33,600 --> 02:25:39,040
of Britannia Street in the fairground

2969
02:25:35,760 --> 02:25:41,120
subdivision. These lands are vacant

2970
02:25:39,040 --> 02:25:43,920
except for one parcel that has a

2971
02:25:41,120 --> 02:25:47,439
townhouse dwelling under construction.

2972
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:50,880
uh surrounding land uses are vacant and

2973
02:25:47,439 --> 02:25:53,600
undeveloped um except for the following

2974
02:25:50,880 --> 02:25:55,760
uh lands in the west contain uh

2975
02:25:53,600 --> 02:25:58,479
residential uses in the form of single

2976
02:25:55,760 --> 02:26:01,520
decoction dwellings

2977
02:25:58,479 --> 02:26:04,160
as well as the south we have residential

2978
02:26:01,520 --> 02:26:07,160
uses in the form of lowrise compartment

2979
02:26:04,160 --> 02:26:07,160
buildings

2980
02:26:08,319 --> 02:26:13,680
in terms of the subject application the

2981
02:26:10,640 --> 02:26:16,080
request is to modify the zone the

2982
02:26:13,680 --> 02:26:20,160
subject lands to allow additional zoning

2983
02:26:16,080 --> 02:26:23,040
provisions to the current R4-26

2984
02:26:20,160 --> 02:26:24,800
sight specific zone by decreasing the

2985
02:26:23,040 --> 02:26:27,439
maximum block coverage which will

2986
02:26:24,800 --> 02:26:29,520
facilitate uh the construction of street

2987
02:26:27,439 --> 02:26:33,600
manifest dwellings.

2988
02:26:29,520 --> 02:26:35,840
Um so for the main residential use

2989
02:26:33,600 --> 02:26:38,319
uh permit an increased maximum lock

2990
02:26:35,840 --> 02:26:40,880
coverage of 45%.

2991
02:26:38,319 --> 02:26:42,880
Uh compared to the maximum requirement

2992
02:26:40,880 --> 02:26:45,439
of 40%.

2993
02:26:42,880 --> 02:26:48,640
And also to permit an increased maximum

2994
02:26:45,439 --> 02:26:50,800
block coverage of 50% for all buildings

2995
02:26:48,640 --> 02:26:53,600
and structures. So that would be the

2996
02:26:50,800 --> 02:26:56,240
main um residential use and accessory

2997
02:26:53,600 --> 02:26:59,680
structures whereas the current provision

2998
02:26:56,240 --> 02:27:02,399
allows for a maximum of 45%.

2999
02:26:59,680 --> 02:27:04,880
It's important to note that all other um

3000
02:27:02,399 --> 02:27:07,520
zoning provisions are capable of being

3001
02:27:04,880 --> 02:27:10,080
satisfied including the minimum rear

3002
02:27:07,520 --> 02:27:13,486
yard depth and the minimum landscape

3003
02:27:10,080 --> 02:27:13,486
open space for all. [clears throat]

3004
02:27:15,920 --> 02:27:20,800
Um the subject application was

3005
02:27:18,240 --> 02:27:22,720
circulated to require agencies with

3006
02:27:20,800 --> 02:27:25,359
comments received from the agencies

3007
02:27:22,720 --> 02:27:30,520
listed on the screen to which no uh

3008
02:27:25,359 --> 02:27:30,520
concerns or objections were raised.

3009
02:27:31,760 --> 02:27:37,200
Uh in terms of public comments, uh no

3010
02:27:34,399 --> 02:27:39,520
written submissions were received at the

3011
02:27:37,200 --> 02:27:41,200
public meeting of city council. uh the

3012
02:27:39,520 --> 02:27:43,120
world's submissions were vague with

3013
02:27:41,200 --> 02:27:46,080
respect to concerns raised about

3014
02:27:43,120 --> 02:27:48,960
drainage and those concerns were

3015
02:27:46,080 --> 02:27:51,120
reviewed comprehensively and

3016
02:27:48,960 --> 02:27:53,760
appropriately addressed in the staff of

3017
02:27:51,120 --> 02:27:56,000
the work. Um there were also some

3018
02:27:53,760 --> 02:27:59,280
concerns raised by the public regarding

3019
02:27:56,000 --> 02:28:02,240
the need for weak removal uh to which

3020
02:27:59,280 --> 02:28:05,280
the developer is taking remedial steps

3021
02:28:02,240 --> 02:28:07,600
uh to address the issue. um

3022
02:28:05,280 --> 02:28:10,000
notwithstanding facing some logistical

3023
02:28:07,600 --> 02:28:14,720
challenges with uh there's existing

3024
02:28:10,000 --> 02:28:17,680
surface wiring um from utilities on the

3025
02:28:14,720 --> 02:28:21,520
site. So the developer is trying to

3026
02:28:17,680 --> 02:28:25,120
ascertain a who owns that utility

3027
02:28:21,520 --> 02:28:28,240
wiring. Is it Bell or is it Rogers? And

3028
02:28:25,120 --> 02:28:29,760
secondly, is the wiring active or is it

3029
02:28:28,240 --> 02:28:32,800
dormant?

3030
02:28:29,760 --> 02:28:36,479
Um ultimately your worship the developer

3031
02:28:32,800 --> 02:28:39,359
is committed to um once the wiring issue

3032
02:28:36,479 --> 02:28:42,399
has been resolved in terms of grading

3033
02:28:39,359 --> 02:28:44,880
the site along the mutual uh rear lot

3034
02:28:42,399 --> 02:28:48,240
line in advance of construction of

3035
02:28:44,880 --> 02:28:49,760
dwellings uh to mitigate visual impact

3036
02:28:48,240 --> 02:28:52,640
through the erection of the board

3037
02:28:49,760 --> 02:28:56,080
privacy fence. So based on that

3038
02:28:52,640 --> 02:28:59,120
commitment and subject to monitoring

3039
02:28:56,080 --> 02:29:01,840
from staff, I'm satisfied that that

3040
02:28:59,120 --> 02:29:04,840
matter has been um will be appropriately

3041
02:29:01,840 --> 02:29:04,840
addressed

3042
02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:11,280
as outlined in my planning report.

3043
02:29:09,439 --> 02:29:13,840
The subject application is consistent

3044
02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:17,840
with the provincial planning statement.

3045
02:29:13,840 --> 02:29:19,920
Um considering uh the uh proposal is

3046
02:29:17,840 --> 02:29:22,080
situated within

3047
02:29:19,920 --> 02:29:24,800
city of Stratford being a designated

3048
02:29:22,080 --> 02:29:26,640
settlement area. Uh this proposal makes

3049
02:29:24,800 --> 02:29:29,200
use of existing uh municipal

3050
02:29:26,640 --> 02:29:33,120
infrastructure. It's approximate to

3051
02:29:29,200 --> 02:29:35,280
existing transit services and active

3052
02:29:33,120 --> 02:29:38,399
transportation opportunities thereby

3053
02:29:35,280 --> 02:29:40,080
supporting the city's strategic growth

3054
02:29:38,399 --> 02:29:42,800
uh framework.

3055
02:29:40,080 --> 02:29:46,880
Um, in addition, this proposal also

3056
02:29:42,800 --> 02:29:50,240
satisfies uh the city's official plan by

3057
02:29:46,880 --> 02:29:52,080
allowing or sorry, by aligning with the

3058
02:29:50,240 --> 02:29:55,359
goals and objectives under the

3059
02:29:52,080 --> 02:29:58,720
residential area designation and also it

3060
02:29:55,359 --> 02:30:04,439
satisfies the evaluation criteria for

3061
02:29:58,720 --> 02:30:04,439
developing in new residential areas.

3062
02:30:05,520 --> 02:30:08,800
All right, your worship. It is city

3063
02:30:07,040 --> 02:30:10,800
planning's recommendation that the

3064
02:30:08,800 --> 02:30:12,880
subject application be approved

3065
02:30:10,800 --> 02:30:14,880
considering the request is consistent

3066
02:30:12,880 --> 02:30:17,760
with the provincial planning statement.

3067
02:30:14,880 --> 02:30:19,680
It aligns with the city's official plan.

3068
02:30:17,760 --> 02:30:21,600
It constitutes satellite use planning

3069
02:30:19,680 --> 02:30:24,240
and that public comments received have

3070
02:30:21,600 --> 02:30:28,840
been reviewed uh comprehensively

3071
02:30:24,240 --> 02:30:28,840
considered and appropriately addressed.

3072
02:30:30,560 --> 02:30:34,880
Uh that concludes my presentation your

3073
02:30:32,720 --> 02:30:36,720
worship. not available to answer any

3074
02:30:34,880 --> 02:30:39,200
questions I do. Thank you for your

3075
02:30:36,720 --> 02:30:42,439
presentation. Questions from council at

3076
02:30:39,200 --> 02:30:42,439
this time.

3077
02:30:44,080 --> 02:30:50,280
» See, I will invite the agent forward.

3078
02:31:04,399 --> 02:31:09,160
Thank you. Now you're ready.

3079
02:31:10,080 --> 02:31:14,080
» Uh thank you members of the council. My

3080
02:31:12,399 --> 02:31:16,000
name is Kristen Barisil. I'm from the

3081
02:31:14,080 --> 02:31:18,720
speaker. I did want to note that Gary

3082
02:31:16,000 --> 02:31:20,800
Bberg of Brberg Holmes was intending to

3083
02:31:18,720 --> 02:31:22,319
attend this meeting this evening. um at

3084
02:31:20,800 --> 02:31:24,720
the last minute he had to cancel and

3085
02:31:22,319 --> 02:31:26,240
send his regrets but um we had some

3086
02:31:24,720 --> 02:31:27,840
extensive conversations about some of

3087
02:31:26,240 --> 02:31:29,280
the issues and concerns particularly

3088
02:31:27,840 --> 02:31:31,120
surrounding property maintenance and

3089
02:31:29,280 --> 02:31:34,120
needs that I'll touch on as part of my

3090
02:31:31,120 --> 02:31:34,120
presentation.

3091
02:31:34,960 --> 02:31:38,720
So I won't spend much time on this. Mr.

3092
02:31:36,960 --> 02:31:40,319
Vangro did a great job of explaining

3093
02:31:38,720 --> 02:31:42,319
where the site is. I'm sure as you're

3094
02:31:40,319 --> 02:31:44,560
all aware is part of the larger

3095
02:31:42,319 --> 02:31:46,720
fairgrounds track plan subdivision um

3096
02:31:44,560 --> 02:31:48,960
which is currently starting to be under

3097
02:31:46,720 --> 02:31:50,560
construction in terms of earth works as

3098
02:31:48,960 --> 02:31:52,640
well as some of the residential units

3099
02:31:50,560 --> 02:31:54,960
starting to be constructed on site and

3100
02:31:52,640 --> 02:31:57,120
Mr. Grand Hon, the intent of this

3101
02:31:54,960 --> 02:31:59,280
application only applies to the streets

3102
02:31:57,120 --> 02:32:01,439
townhouse blocks as part of the initial

3103
02:31:59,280 --> 02:32:03,200
or original draft M subdivision. So

3104
02:32:01,439 --> 02:32:05,680
those the areas that are highlighted in

3105
02:32:03,200 --> 02:32:09,359
red both on the north and south side of

3106
02:32:05,680 --> 02:32:11,120
Ferguson A. Um the townhouse blocks on

3107
02:32:09,359 --> 02:32:12,880
the south side of Ferguson A are fully

3108
02:32:11,120 --> 02:32:14,399
within the draft line subdivision.

3109
02:32:12,880 --> 02:32:17,600
Townhouse blocks in the north side of

3110
02:32:14,399 --> 02:32:20,479
Ferguson a with the existing uh load

3111
02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:24,399
attached low attach uh existing

3112
02:32:20,479 --> 02:32:24,399
residential uses on prior drive.

3113
02:32:25,040 --> 02:32:29,600
Uh as Mr. Bankov noted, we are um asking

3114
02:32:27,920 --> 02:32:31,359
for an additional exemption or

3115
02:32:29,600 --> 02:32:33,760
additional request to the zoning bylaw

3116
02:32:31,359 --> 02:32:36,640
amendment um to permit a maximum law

3117
02:32:33,760 --> 02:32:38,560
coverage of 45% for the primary uh

3118
02:32:36,640 --> 02:32:41,200
residents controlling units. Whereas the

3119
02:32:38,560 --> 02:32:45,439
current bylaw permits 40 and to permit a

3120
02:32:41,200 --> 02:32:47,760
maximum of um 50% excuse me 45% for

3121
02:32:45,439 --> 02:32:49,760
permits 40 and to permit 50% without

3122
02:32:47,760 --> 02:32:51,120
coverage for the main building as well

3123
02:32:49,760 --> 02:32:53,680
as the accessory structure with the

3124
02:32:51,120 --> 02:32:55,040
current bylaw permits of 45. Um the

3125
02:32:53,680 --> 02:32:57,359
difference in this number is would

3126
02:32:55,040 --> 02:32:59,040
account for sheds um if people are

3127
02:32:57,359 --> 02:33:00,800
putting beds in their backyard or any

3128
02:32:59,040 --> 02:33:02,080
kind of secondary accessory structure

3129
02:33:00,800 --> 02:33:04,560
that you would typically see in the

3130
02:33:02,080 --> 02:33:06,000
backyard. Um if Mr. Bangkok touched on

3131
02:33:04,560 --> 02:33:07,600
not they'll need to change any of the

3132
02:33:06,000 --> 02:33:11,200
provisions other provisions of the

3133
02:33:07,600 --> 02:33:13,359
bylaw. Um so the setbacks requirements

3134
02:33:11,200 --> 02:33:15,120
threeear setbacks side step setback

3135
02:33:13,359 --> 02:33:17,040
requirements minimum landscape area

3136
02:33:15,120 --> 02:33:19,120
requirements are all going to remain the

3137
02:33:17,040 --> 02:33:20,960
same. Um in addition there's no real

3138
02:33:19,120 --> 02:33:22,800
changes to the mass scare or

3139
02:33:20,960 --> 02:33:25,359
characteristics if you will or design

3140
02:33:22,800 --> 02:33:27,280
style of townhouse units. Um these

3141
02:33:25,359 --> 02:33:28,720
blocks and its area subdivision was

3142
02:33:27,280 --> 02:33:30,800
originally approved for street town

3143
02:33:28,720 --> 02:33:33,280
houses and will continue to be used for

3144
02:33:30,800 --> 02:33:34,960
street town houses.

3145
02:33:33,280 --> 02:33:36,399
uh what we heard at the public meeting

3146
02:33:34,960 --> 02:33:38,880
the last public meeting there were

3147
02:33:36,399 --> 02:33:40,960
concerns with regards to fencing and

3148
02:33:38,880 --> 02:33:42,479
privacy I believe it's touched on the

3149
02:33:40,960 --> 02:33:44,160
staff report that there are conditions

3150
02:33:42,479 --> 02:33:46,479
of draft approval associated with the

3151
02:33:44,160 --> 02:33:48,319
draft plan subdivisions that do require

3152
02:33:46,479 --> 02:33:49,920
um the installation and erection of a

3153
02:33:48,319 --> 02:33:52,000
wood fence along the perimeter of the

3154
02:33:49,920 --> 02:33:53,359
property uh to provide for additional

3155
02:33:52,000 --> 02:33:55,760
screening and buffering from those

3156
02:33:53,359 --> 02:33:58,080
surrounding existing residential uses.

3157
02:33:55,760 --> 02:33:59,840
Uh there were some issues concerns

3158
02:33:58,080 --> 02:34:01,920
raised with regards to maintenance and

3159
02:33:59,840 --> 02:34:03,200
deeds along shared property lines. In

3160
02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:05,359
addition, I believe that there was some

3161
02:34:03,200 --> 02:34:07,280
followup concerns comments passed along

3162
02:34:05,359 --> 02:34:10,080
to the planning division with regards to

3163
02:34:07,280 --> 02:34:12,399
those issues. Um, Robert Palms was out

3164
02:34:10,080 --> 02:34:14,319
on site in early August to try to

3165
02:34:12,399 --> 02:34:16,000
rectify remove the weeds as well as

3166
02:34:14,319 --> 02:34:17,920
install the fence to start to install

3167
02:34:16,000 --> 02:34:20,000
the fence and do the preliminary grading

3168
02:34:17,920 --> 02:34:22,720
as Mr. Vanro touched on and there was

3169
02:34:20,000 --> 02:34:24,880
this unexpected discovery of some wires

3170
02:34:22,720 --> 02:34:27,200
that are along the property line that

3171
02:34:24,880 --> 02:34:29,520
are not associated with any and were not

3172
02:34:27,200 --> 02:34:31,359
known to be on property. saving a bit of

3173
02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:33,280
time to figure out who those services

3174
02:34:31,359 --> 02:34:35,040
belong to, whether or not they are

3175
02:34:33,280 --> 02:34:36,800
active and whether or not we need to

3176
02:34:35,040 --> 02:34:38,080
relocate them, whether to bury them, and

3177
02:34:36,800 --> 02:34:40,000
we need to put these things in place.

3178
02:34:38,080 --> 02:34:41,760
So, they they continue to try to rectify

3179
02:34:40,000 --> 02:34:44,160
that issue. But the intent is that once

3180
02:34:41,760 --> 02:34:45,920
we get that sorted out, and we know who

3181
02:34:44,160 --> 02:34:47,760
the services belong to and that they're

3182
02:34:45,920 --> 02:34:49,600
protected, then they'll continue with

3183
02:34:47,760 --> 02:34:52,720
the grading that needs to happen, the

3184
02:34:49,600 --> 02:34:55,359
weed removal as well as installation.

3185
02:34:52,720 --> 02:34:57,040
I believe there was some concern express

3186
02:34:55,359 --> 02:34:59,120
with regards to some of the existing

3187
02:34:57,040 --> 02:35:00,560
draining issues that surround the front

3188
02:34:59,120 --> 02:35:03,120
of the site. Some water that's not

3189
02:35:00,560 --> 02:35:04,880
moving in sign that's staying in place.

3190
02:35:03,120 --> 02:35:06,479
Um again there are conditions under

3191
02:35:04,880 --> 02:35:09,200
draft approval for the subdivision that

3192
02:35:06,479 --> 02:35:10,720
require the overall site to be developed

3193
02:35:09,200 --> 02:35:13,200
um and constructed in accordance with

3194
02:35:10,720 --> 02:35:14,800
the city standards. Um I would leager

3195
02:35:13,200 --> 02:35:16,640
guess that hopefully through this

3196
02:35:14,800 --> 02:35:18,800
construction will improve some of the

3197
02:35:16,640 --> 02:35:20,880
grading challenges on the site. uh the

3198
02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:22,560
site is expected to drain and provide

3199
02:35:20,880 --> 02:35:24,800
for function on its own site and not

3200
02:35:22,560 --> 02:35:26,399
allow drainage of all site. And then

3201
02:35:24,800 --> 02:35:28,880
finally I believe there were comments

3202
02:35:26,399 --> 02:35:30,560
with regards to suitability suitability

3203
02:35:28,880 --> 02:35:33,200
character and compatibility with

3204
02:35:30,560 --> 02:35:34,960
surrounding us. Again uh these clocks

3205
02:35:33,200 --> 02:35:36,720
were always intended to accommodate

3206
02:35:34,960 --> 02:35:38,880
these town houses. We're just looking

3207
02:35:36,720 --> 02:35:40,720
for a slight variation and the coverage

3208
02:35:38,880 --> 02:35:42,160
and terms to provide for a more

3209
02:35:40,720 --> 02:35:45,040
wholesome coverage of the lock of these

3210
02:35:42,160 --> 02:35:47,439
townhouse units.

3211
02:35:45,040 --> 02:35:48,960
In my conclusion, um it's uh our

3212
02:35:47,439 --> 02:35:50,960
planning report touched on this and I

3213
02:35:48,960 --> 02:35:52,399
reiterate that uh the proposed zoning

3214
02:35:50,960 --> 02:35:55,120
bylaw amendment is consistent with the

3215
02:35:52,399 --> 02:35:57,760
PPS with the surrounding residential

3216
02:35:55,120 --> 02:36:00,720
uses and makes use of existing or

3217
02:35:57,760 --> 02:36:02,399
planned services of the community forms

3218
02:36:00,720 --> 02:36:03,760
with the official plan as it complies

3219
02:36:02,399 --> 02:36:05,840
with the policy objectives and

3220
02:36:03,760 --> 02:36:07,439
development criteria for new development

3221
02:36:05,840 --> 02:36:08,960
as well as the specific policy

3222
02:36:07,439 --> 02:36:11,600
objectives with regards to special

3223
02:36:08,960 --> 02:36:13,680
policy area 16. It complies with the

3224
02:36:11,600 --> 02:36:15,600
zoning bylaw as it provides residents

3225
02:36:13,680 --> 02:36:17,280
residential uses that are consistent in

3226
02:36:15,600 --> 02:36:19,760
size, scale, and masking to the

3227
02:36:17,280 --> 02:36:21,439
surrounding residential uses and in our

3228
02:36:19,760 --> 02:36:24,479
opinion is appropriate in terms of

3229
02:36:21,439 --> 02:36:26,479
suitability and context. I'd be happy to

3230
02:36:24,479 --> 02:36:27,920
answer any questions that you may have.

3231
02:36:26,479 --> 02:36:29,200
» Thank you for your consentation,

3232
02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:32,399
Councelor Harris.

3233
02:36:29,200 --> 02:36:35,439
» You the mayor. I'm just concerned that

3234
02:36:32,399 --> 02:36:38,080
we had a public meeting July 15 and it's

3235
02:36:35,439 --> 02:36:40,319
September 14th and nobody could go out

3236
02:36:38,080 --> 02:36:42,479
with the weed eater and um cut down the

3237
02:36:40,319 --> 02:36:45,840
weeds and then we have an issue with

3238
02:36:42,479 --> 02:36:48,720
water. So if something like this was

3239
02:36:45,840 --> 02:36:51,840
taking so long um I'm just worried about

3240
02:36:48,720 --> 02:36:54,399
the water setting

3241
02:36:51,840 --> 02:36:55,680
» For you Mr. Mayor. So in response to the

3242
02:36:54,399 --> 02:36:57,040
comments that we received and then the

3243
02:36:55,680 --> 02:36:58,960
feedback that we received from city

3244
02:36:57,040 --> 02:37:01,280
staff, the developer had sent out to

3245
02:36:58,960 --> 02:37:03,280
landscape and state contractors got on

3246
02:37:01,280 --> 02:37:05,040
site, they refused to do any of the

3247
02:37:03,280 --> 02:37:07,200
removal of the leads, either tiny weed

3248
02:37:05,040 --> 02:37:09,120
whackers or machineries both for the

3249
02:37:07,200 --> 02:37:11,520
removal of the leads as well as doing

3250
02:37:09,120 --> 02:37:13,280
post installation until they know what

3251
02:37:11,520 --> 02:37:14,800
is going on with those wires until they

3252
02:37:13,280 --> 02:37:18,240
know that they're not live. Wires are

3253
02:37:14,800 --> 02:37:20,560
alive for them. Um I as a followup to

3254
02:37:18,240 --> 02:37:22,160
that we unfortunately can't do that much

3255
02:37:20,560 --> 02:37:24,240
grading and changing of the works back

3256
02:37:22,160 --> 02:37:25,760
there again because of these wires. It

3257
02:37:24,240 --> 02:37:28,880
has been taking a long time to figure

3258
02:37:25,760 --> 02:37:30,880
out I suspect that they're not anyone's

3259
02:37:28,880 --> 02:37:32,880
system or someone has overlooked it. The

3260
02:37:30,880 --> 02:37:35,200
fact that there was no existing ement or

3261
02:37:32,880 --> 02:37:37,680
even drawings have indicated that those

3262
02:37:35,200 --> 02:37:39,600
lines were there. Um, it's taking a bit

3263
02:37:37,680 --> 02:37:41,760
of time to figure out who they belong to

3264
02:37:39,600 --> 02:37:44,720
and how we can How on earth were they

3265
02:37:41,760 --> 02:37:46,319
able to take the trees out then they

3266
02:37:44,720 --> 02:37:48,640
can't take little weeds out. I just

3267
02:37:46,319 --> 02:37:50,960
don't understand it. Doesn't make sense

3268
02:37:48,640 --> 02:37:53,520
to me. I'm sorry. I I'm just feeling

3269
02:37:50,960 --> 02:37:55,600
irritated about it because I think

3270
02:37:53,520 --> 02:37:57,600
something that can be very irritating to

3271
02:37:55,600 --> 02:37:59,840
our residents walking out their backyard

3272
02:37:57,600 --> 02:38:02,960
and you it's all under construction when

3273
02:37:59,840 --> 02:38:04,240
you've got these sweets and stuff and um

3274
02:38:02,960 --> 02:38:05,600
I'm sure if there was a fire or

3275
02:38:04,240 --> 02:38:07,680
something fire department would know it

3276
02:38:05,600 --> 02:38:10,920
the next day or that night. So I just

3277
02:38:07,680 --> 02:38:10,920
don't understand

3278
02:38:11,680 --> 02:38:16,560
director

3279
02:38:13,600 --> 02:38:18,240
during you and your worship. I I know in

3280
02:38:16,560 --> 02:38:20,000
prior years we've been communicating

3281
02:38:18,240 --> 02:38:22,240
with the developers in regards to that

3282
02:38:20,000 --> 02:38:24,240
she so between myself and the man we

3283
02:38:22,240 --> 02:38:26,779
will continue to work with Miss Bar and

3284
02:38:24,240 --> 02:38:28,080
the property owner to actively

3285
02:38:26,779 --> 02:38:30,800
[clears throat] manage and deal with

3286
02:38:28,080 --> 02:38:32,880
those

3287
02:38:30,800 --> 02:38:35,880
other comments or questions at this

3288
02:38:32,880 --> 02:38:35,880
time.

3289
02:38:39,040 --> 02:38:44,880
of the council. Do you have any starting

3290
02:38:42,640 --> 02:38:46,479
how many

3291
02:38:44,880 --> 02:38:48,479
starting

3292
02:38:46,479 --> 02:38:50,000
» Mr. Mayor? They're saying, like I said,

3293
02:38:48,479 --> 02:38:52,319
they indicated that they're starting to

3294
02:38:50,000 --> 02:38:53,840
do rules on the site. They're starting

3295
02:38:52,319 --> 02:38:55,200
to do preliminary grading. I believe

3296
02:38:53,840 --> 02:38:57,520
that there's instruction that's starting

3297
02:38:55,200 --> 02:38:59,120
on the town houses.

3298
02:38:57,520 --> 02:39:01,280
They'd like to get started as soon as

3299
02:38:59,120 --> 02:39:02,640
possible. Um, putting up a fence was

3300
02:39:01,280 --> 02:39:04,479
kind of the next step in terms of

3301
02:39:02,640 --> 02:39:06,560
ensuring that we're providing additional

3302
02:39:04,479 --> 02:39:10,840
screening and privacy. screen those

3303
02:39:06,560 --> 02:39:10,840
cases of residential uses from

3304
02:39:11,520 --> 02:39:15,680
» So

3305
02:39:13,120 --> 02:39:19,920
people think it's are you working with

3306
02:39:15,680 --> 02:39:22,479
the city or you is that even

3307
02:39:19,920 --> 02:39:24,000
» Uh for you Mr. Mayor yes absolutely the

3308
02:39:22,479 --> 02:39:25,439
city is aware of the issues and we're

3309
02:39:24,000 --> 02:39:27,520
all trying to collectively work together

3310
02:39:25,439 --> 02:39:28,720
to figure out who these wires belong to

3311
02:39:27,520 --> 02:39:30,720
and how they're going to fix the

3312
02:39:28,720 --> 02:39:34,280
situation.

3313
02:39:30,720 --> 02:39:34,280
Just the last question

3314
02:39:34,479 --> 02:39:40,240
about what about the parking and and

3315
02:39:37,840 --> 02:39:43,680
with the playground

3316
02:39:40,240 --> 02:39:46,080
that uh

3317
02:39:43,680 --> 02:39:48,080
I think I think I just talked to this

3318
02:39:46,080 --> 02:39:51,120
question before do we have any

3319
02:39:48,080 --> 02:39:53,120
playground there

3320
02:39:51,120 --> 02:39:55,040
» Approve you Mr. There is no playground

3321
02:39:53,120 --> 02:39:57,680
that's provided as part of the proposed

3322
02:39:55,040 --> 02:39:58,640
draft decision or approved excuse me

3323
02:39:57,680 --> 02:40:01,040
approved draft.

3324
02:39:58,640 --> 02:40:01,520
» Not yet.

3325
02:40:01,040 --> 02:40:04,520
» Sorry.

3326
02:40:01,520 --> 02:40:04,520
» No.

3327
02:40:05,680 --> 02:40:07,680
I mean

3328
02:40:06,000 --> 02:40:08,720
» Sorry the draft plan subdivision has

3329
02:40:07,680 --> 02:40:09,200
already been approved.

3330
02:40:08,720 --> 02:40:10,960
» Yes.

3331
02:40:09,200 --> 02:40:13,520
» So there was no park space provided as

3332
02:40:10,960 --> 02:40:16,640
part of the drop plan subdivision.

3333
02:40:13,520 --> 02:40:18,720
» Okay. Uh so sh I have a question for

3334
02:40:16,640 --> 02:40:21,439
director. Do you have any unexplaining

3335
02:40:18,720 --> 02:40:22,479
more information? Please

3336
02:40:21,439 --> 02:40:23,600
» Can you repeat the question?

3337
02:40:22,479 --> 02:40:26,160
» Can you repeat the question

3338
02:40:23,600 --> 02:40:28,240
» About the playground?

3339
02:40:26,160 --> 02:40:30,880
» So, as Mendelle stated, there's no

3340
02:40:28,240 --> 02:40:32,720
playground planned or itself with the

3341
02:40:30,880 --> 02:40:34,640
misplanned subdivision. There's area

3342
02:40:32,720 --> 02:40:37,680
parks. There's the countryside parking

3343
02:40:34,640 --> 02:40:39,680
plans to the west or north of the Rotary

3344
02:40:37,680 --> 02:40:41,920
complex to which this development will

3345
02:40:39,680 --> 02:40:43,840
have access to. So, some developments

3346
02:40:41,920 --> 02:40:47,359
either have physical parkland in their

3347
02:40:43,840 --> 02:40:48,640
subdivision. Others pay cash in loom.

3348
02:40:47,359 --> 02:40:50,720
» So they all have to contribute to

3349
02:40:48,640 --> 02:40:54,560
parkland either physically by installing

3350
02:40:50,720 --> 02:40:57,920
a park for parkets etc or by giving um

3351
02:40:54,560 --> 02:41:00,800
cash and lination.

3352
02:40:57,920 --> 02:41:02,479
Anything further?

3353
02:41:00,800 --> 02:41:04,479
» Anything further from council this

3354
02:41:02,479 --> 02:41:04,960
month?

3355
02:41:04,479 --> 02:41:08,120
» Thank you.

3356
02:41:04,960 --> 02:41:08,120
» Thank you.

3357
02:41:13,280 --> 02:41:17,040
So your worship as outlined on the

3358
02:41:15,280 --> 02:41:19,200
agenda. There is a staff recommendation

3359
02:41:17,040 --> 02:41:22,680
that application be approved for the

3360
02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:22,680
reasons noted.

3361
02:41:23,600 --> 02:41:29,120
Moved by council, second by councelor B.

3362
02:41:26,640 --> 02:41:32,640
Any further discussion?

3363
02:41:29,120 --> 02:41:35,800
Seeing none all in favor

3364
02:41:32,640 --> 02:41:35,800
on opposed

3365
02:41:37,359 --> 02:41:42,560
item 7.2 is the draft use municipal

3366
02:41:40,000 --> 02:41:44,479
accommodation tax policy. Um and it's my

3367
02:41:42,560 --> 02:41:46,399
understanding that councelor Burbach as

3368
02:41:44,479 --> 02:41:49,120
chair of the adoc committee is going to

3369
02:41:46,399 --> 02:41:51,200
provide a brief overview um followed by

3370
02:41:49,120 --> 02:41:52,960
a motion to hear the delegations.

3371
02:41:51,200 --> 02:41:56,000
» Thank you Burback. Go ahead

3372
02:41:52,960 --> 02:41:59,200
» To the chair. Um yeah so I was the chair

3373
02:41:56,000 --> 02:42:01,280
of this um ad hoc committee. So,

3374
02:41:59,200 --> 02:42:04,960
municipal accommodation tax we've been

3375
02:42:01,280 --> 02:42:08,880
collecting for about four years and uh

3376
02:42:04,960 --> 02:42:11,680
the province has a general framework to

3377
02:42:08,880 --> 02:42:14,240
tell us how we can spend this money. And

3378
02:42:11,680 --> 02:42:17,120
there were um several people in the

3379
02:42:14,240 --> 02:42:20,720
community in the um tourism sector that

3380
02:42:17,120 --> 02:42:25,040
would that had ideas about how we could

3381
02:42:20,720 --> 02:42:28,479
more do some more focused spending uh in

3382
02:42:25,040 --> 02:42:31,359
order to use that money to advance

3383
02:42:28,479 --> 02:42:34,479
tourism in our area. So we had a lot of

3384
02:42:31,359 --> 02:42:36,720
really wide ranging and good discussion

3385
02:42:34,479 --> 02:42:39,920
um about effective ways to encourage

3386
02:42:36,720 --> 02:42:43,120
tourism um specifically overnight stays

3387
02:42:39,920 --> 02:42:45,600
and seasonal tourism. So seasonal being

3388
02:42:43,120 --> 02:42:48,800
what we've been calling shoulder season

3389
02:42:45,600 --> 02:42:51,920
or offseason tourism. Um, so we came up

3390
02:42:48,800 --> 02:42:54,720
with uh a draft policy that would

3391
02:42:51,920 --> 02:42:56,560
support events and experiences gen

3392
02:42:54,720 --> 02:42:58,960
specifically generating overnight

3393
02:42:56,560 --> 02:43:03,280
opportunities for the local tourism

3394
02:42:58,960 --> 02:43:07,760
sector. So this would generate overnight

3395
02:43:03,280 --> 02:43:11,439
stays and then that in um in succession

3396
02:43:07,760 --> 02:43:14,240
would then have tourism tourists come

3397
02:43:11,439 --> 02:43:15,840
and spend money in other areas in our

3398
02:43:14,240 --> 02:43:18,080
city. So we know that people if they

3399
02:43:15,840 --> 02:43:20,560
come for an overnight stay, they're very

3400
02:43:18,080 --> 02:43:23,439
likely to be eating in our area and

3401
02:43:20,560 --> 02:43:26,800
shopping and taking in other

3402
02:43:23,439 --> 02:43:30,720
experiences. So um we've come up with

3403
02:43:26,800 --> 02:43:32,399
actually with a a quite a um I'm quite

3404
02:43:30,720 --> 02:43:35,280
proud of the policy that we've come up

3405
02:43:32,399 --> 02:43:37,680
with to create a criteria based grant

3406
02:43:35,280 --> 02:43:40,240
program to support and encourage larger

3407
02:43:37,680 --> 02:43:43,439
events in Stratford. So, we don't

3408
02:43:40,240 --> 02:43:46,479
actually have a grant program that

3409
02:43:43,439 --> 02:43:48,160
focuses so specifically on this. So, um

3410
02:43:46,479 --> 02:43:50,399
we prepared this for council's

3411
02:43:48,160 --> 02:43:52,560
consideration. There are a few elements

3412
02:43:50,399 --> 02:43:55,439
maybe that need to be smoothed out, but

3413
02:43:52,560 --> 02:43:57,760
I think in general I highly recommend

3414
02:43:55,439 --> 02:44:01,279
this policy as being a good way forward

3415
02:43:57,760 --> 02:44:04,520
to spend some of our math funding.

3416
02:44:01,279 --> 02:44:04,520
» Thank you.

3417
02:44:06,800 --> 02:44:11,760
the cler I believe we have any items on

3418
02:44:09,760 --> 02:44:13,439
the agenda

3419
02:44:11,760 --> 02:44:16,479
» Through your worship. Yes, that is

3420
02:44:13,439 --> 02:44:17,760
correct. So turning to your addendum. Um

3421
02:44:16,479 --> 02:44:19,680
there is a motion that the

3422
02:44:17,760 --> 02:44:23,040
correspondence received from Teresa

3423
02:44:19,680 --> 02:44:25,279
Albert and Elena Pastor you received and

3424
02:44:23,040 --> 02:44:27,439
that Jennifer Birmingham and Barbara Shi

3425
02:44:25,279 --> 02:44:29,520
be heard.

3426
02:44:27,439 --> 02:44:31,920
by councelor Bristo seconded by

3427
02:44:29,520 --> 02:44:36,240
councelor

3428
02:44:31,920 --> 02:44:40,479
in discussion with see all there was

3429
02:44:36,240 --> 02:44:43,800
unanimous and car so at this time why

3430
02:44:40,479 --> 02:44:43,800
don't you invite

3431
02:44:43,840 --> 02:44:47,080
a shot

3432
02:44:54,240 --> 02:45:00,680
» Oh I'm sorry are you both at the same

3433
02:44:57,680 --> 02:45:00,680
Okay.

3434
02:45:17,439 --> 02:45:21,600
» Thank you. Thank you, [clears throat]

3435
02:45:18,399 --> 02:45:24,000
Mr. Mayor and and Council. Um, I'm here

3436
02:45:21,600 --> 02:45:26,880
today uh representing the Inkeepers

3437
02:45:24,000 --> 02:45:30,080
Collective. I delegated at the first ad

3438
02:45:26,880 --> 02:45:33,439
hoc committee in January and attended a

3439
02:45:30,080 --> 02:45:35,279
couple of the others. Uh the report uh

3440
02:45:33,439 --> 02:45:38,560
to the newly formed committee did not

3441
02:45:35,279 --> 02:45:41,120
actually provide Larry McKate's motion

3442
02:45:38,560 --> 02:45:42,800
um about added consultation. I mean it

3443
02:45:41,120 --> 02:45:46,000
had been forgotten by staff and the

3444
02:45:42,800 --> 02:45:50,080
chair. We rectified that because I know

3445
02:45:46,000 --> 02:45:52,319
it was a unanimous unanimous support. Um

3446
02:45:50,080 --> 02:45:54,080
I did support the idea of the survey if

3447
02:45:52,319 --> 02:45:56,319
the committee was not consulted in the

3448
02:45:54,080 --> 02:45:59,439
creation of it and it could have been

3449
02:45:56,319 --> 02:46:02,479
perceived as their work. There are

3450
02:45:59,439 --> 02:46:05,200
better ways in my opinion to engage the

3451
02:46:02,479 --> 02:46:08,319
public and most people have no

3452
02:46:05,200 --> 02:46:10,880
understanding um about that or the

3453
02:46:08,319 --> 02:46:13,279
tourism industry.

3454
02:46:10,880 --> 02:46:15,920
Everyone seems to think there's a pot of

3455
02:46:13,279 --> 02:46:20,000
gold. Well, I can tell you there's no

3456
02:46:15,920 --> 02:46:24,560
pot of gold. And um I think what I want

3457
02:46:20,000 --> 02:46:29,840
to say is um I would also like to remind

3458
02:46:24,560 --> 02:46:33,200
you that many of us as accommodators

3459
02:46:29,840 --> 02:46:36,160
actually pay the 4% of our staff. We

3460
02:46:33,200 --> 02:46:38,800
don't charge it to our guests. Um and as

3461
02:46:36,160 --> 02:46:41,120
you may or may not know, day tourism,

3462
02:46:38,800 --> 02:46:44,560
they come and go and there's no there's

3463
02:46:41,120 --> 02:46:47,040
no money for there.

3464
02:46:44,560 --> 02:46:50,479
Um and most people don't know that

3465
02:46:47,040 --> 02:46:54,880
tourism here in Stratford is fragile.

3466
02:46:50,479 --> 02:46:57,120
You first had co then you have Trump

3467
02:46:54,880 --> 02:47:00,080
and then there has not been enough

3468
02:46:57,120 --> 02:47:03,680
creation of events that actually

3469
02:47:00,080 --> 02:47:05,760
encourage overnight states.

3470
02:47:03,680 --> 02:47:08,319
Um,

3471
02:47:05,760 --> 02:47:12,800
nor do people understand

3472
02:47:08,319 --> 02:47:15,040
that tourism is a huge economic driver

3473
02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:18,319
that actually sustained the downtown

3474
02:47:15,040 --> 02:47:22,319
core. And without it, our restaurants

3475
02:47:18,319 --> 02:47:26,160
would not survive, nor would our retail.

3476
02:47:22,319 --> 02:47:29,840
Overnight stays must increase if we want

3477
02:47:26,160 --> 02:47:33,040
to be strong. When guests stay over,

3478
02:47:29,840 --> 02:47:37,600
like was said, they buy lunches, they go

3479
02:47:33,040 --> 02:47:42,080
shopping, uh they do other events. Um

3480
02:47:37,600 --> 02:47:44,560
and we thrive because of that. Um

3481
02:47:42,080 --> 02:47:47,359
accommodators,

3482
02:47:44,560 --> 02:47:51,840
us as accommodators encourage people to

3483
02:47:47,359 --> 02:47:53,920
stay over on Sundays and Mondays so

3484
02:47:51,840 --> 02:47:56,560
guests have more time to spend in our

3485
02:47:53,920 --> 02:47:59,359
city. I want you to understand that the

3486
02:47:56,560 --> 02:48:02,000
accommodators are your ambassadors.

3487
02:47:59,359 --> 02:48:04,240
We are the ones that have the knowledge

3488
02:48:02,000 --> 02:48:07,120
and we are the ones that are the first

3489
02:48:04,240 --> 02:48:11,040
point of contact contact of people

3490
02:48:07,120 --> 02:48:14,160
coming to our city council. You had

3491
02:48:11,040 --> 02:48:16,880
several applications to be members on

3492
02:48:14,160 --> 02:48:19,359
the ad hoc committee. You must have

3493
02:48:16,880 --> 02:48:22,479
picked the very best people who

3494
02:48:19,359 --> 02:48:25,760
volunteered their time. They were

3495
02:48:22,479 --> 02:48:27,840
charged. It was not just five meetings,

3496
02:48:25,760 --> 02:48:30,000
but all the reading and research, and

3497
02:48:27,840 --> 02:48:32,800
there was a ton of it, that they did

3498
02:48:30,000 --> 02:48:36,080
ahead and during. I know the

3499
02:48:32,800 --> 02:48:39,279
accommodators you chose truly were and

3500
02:48:36,080 --> 02:48:43,680
are the best with the most knowledge and

3501
02:48:39,279 --> 02:48:46,416
the most experience of anyone dedicated

3502
02:48:43,680 --> 02:48:47,760
to doing what is right for Stratford.

3503
02:48:46,416 --> 02:48:50,880
[clears throat]

3504
02:48:47,760 --> 02:48:54,080
They know if we encourage over next days

3505
02:48:50,880 --> 02:48:57,920
and build the shoulder season, the city

3506
02:48:54,080 --> 02:48:59,920
benefits economically.

3507
02:48:57,920 --> 02:49:02,720
Inkeepers researched other

3508
02:48:59,920 --> 02:49:06,479
municipalities methods on how to spend

3509
02:49:02,720 --> 02:49:08,800
the M wisely and fairly for the most

3510
02:49:06,479 --> 02:49:11,680
benefit. We provided the city with

3511
02:49:08,800 --> 02:49:14,880
Niagara on the lake. what diver the lake

3512
02:49:11,680 --> 02:49:16,640
created which is a merit-based system as

3513
02:49:14,880 --> 02:49:19,439
this committee does make that

3514
02:49:16,640 --> 02:49:23,279
recommendation I remember staff being

3515
02:49:19,439 --> 02:49:26,319
impressed with Niagara and what they

3516
02:49:23,279 --> 02:49:27,840
have done most of the cities we

3517
02:49:26,319 --> 02:49:30,640
researched

3518
02:49:27,840 --> 02:49:33,279
supported increasing overnight states in

3519
02:49:30,640 --> 02:49:36,960
their mission statements they all

3520
02:49:33,279 --> 02:49:40,960
believed if people stay longer then it's

3521
02:49:36,960 --> 02:49:45,439
a good thing for the city economically

3522
02:49:40,960 --> 02:49:48,479
It just makes sense. Having merit-based

3523
02:49:45,439 --> 02:49:51,359
point system is what Nyra does and

3524
02:49:48,479 --> 02:49:55,680
others and your ad hoc committee

3525
02:49:51,359 --> 02:49:59,359
approved by council supported it in the

3526
02:49:55,680 --> 02:50:02,000
draft policy. It creates consistency in

3527
02:49:59,359 --> 02:50:05,760
evaluating applications

3528
02:50:02,000 --> 02:50:09,760
and the investments are strategic and

3529
02:50:05,760 --> 02:50:14,000
can be replicated from one application

3530
02:50:09,760 --> 02:50:16,152
to the next. The process is transparent

3531
02:50:14,000 --> 02:50:16,240
and accountable.

3532
02:50:16,152 --> 02:50:18,319
» [clears throat]

3533
02:50:16,240 --> 02:50:21,040
» The committee recommended a standing

3534
02:50:18,319 --> 02:50:24,479
committee of volunteers to review

3535
02:50:21,040 --> 02:50:28,160
applications and evaluate them using the

3536
02:50:24,479 --> 02:50:30,399
point system and other criteria. This

3537
02:50:28,160 --> 02:50:33,600
committee would be made up of residents

3538
02:50:30,399 --> 02:50:36,479
not council to eliminate any political

3539
02:50:33,600 --> 02:50:40,880
influence and add fairness to the

3540
02:50:36,479 --> 02:50:44,560
process. Council would as always pass

3541
02:50:40,880 --> 02:50:48,479
the final say as they have the approval

3542
02:50:44,560 --> 02:50:50,880
authority on all reports.

3543
02:50:48,479 --> 02:50:55,240
Recommendation as staff was to receive

3544
02:50:50,880 --> 02:50:55,240
it and then there was some options.

3545
02:50:56,000 --> 02:51:00,960
I thoroughly read the report and I'm

3546
02:50:58,160 --> 02:51:03,200
going to say I was disappointed. Um, I

3547
02:51:00,960 --> 02:51:05,120
feel that the report that was provided

3548
02:51:03,200 --> 02:51:08,080
was biased

3549
02:51:05,120 --> 02:51:11,520
and I was one

3550
02:51:08,080 --> 02:51:13,760
and if I were one Dorian of your

3551
02:51:11,520 --> 02:51:18,960
selected volunteers who worked their

3552
02:51:13,760 --> 02:51:22,160
butt off for you, I'd be insulted.

3553
02:51:18,960 --> 02:51:25,279
Why would anyone want to volunteer on a

3554
02:51:22,160 --> 02:51:29,040
council committee if it's just all the

3555
02:51:25,279 --> 02:51:31,359
work is going to be ignorant? So let's

3556
02:51:29,040 --> 02:51:33,120
keep the ad hoc committee

3557
02:51:31,359 --> 02:51:37,439
recommendations

3558
02:51:33,120 --> 02:51:40,080
moving forward to eliminate delays.

3559
02:51:37,439 --> 02:51:43,279
Write the terms of reference and the

3560
02:51:40,080 --> 02:51:44,880
next council can approve them instead of

3561
02:51:43,279 --> 02:51:47,359
waiting.

3562
02:51:44,880 --> 02:51:50,479
Council, you have a choice.

3563
02:51:47,359 --> 02:51:52,640
Listen to staff who are under these

3564
02:51:50,479 --> 02:51:56,240
particular circumstances aren't the

3565
02:51:52,640 --> 02:51:59,920
experts or support your expert

3566
02:51:56,240 --> 02:52:03,760
volunteers that you chose by voting for

3567
02:51:59,920 --> 02:52:05,520
option one. The map ad hoc committee

3568
02:52:03,760 --> 02:52:08,080
recommends that the use of municipal

3569
02:52:05,520 --> 02:52:11,279
accommodation tax policy be adopted as a

3570
02:52:08,080 --> 02:52:13,600
guide to use the city's portions of the

3571
02:52:11,279 --> 02:52:16,960
municipal accommodation tax collection

3572
02:52:13,600 --> 02:52:20,640
to grow the city of Stratford's visitor

3573
02:52:16,960 --> 02:52:24,479
economy through strategic investments in

3574
02:52:20,640 --> 02:52:29,040
tourism and destination development with

3575
02:52:24,479 --> 02:52:32,800
a focus on increased overnight visits.

3576
02:52:29,040 --> 02:52:35,600
And in a few years you can do some data

3577
02:52:32,800 --> 02:52:37,840
collecting, you can do some assessment

3578
02:52:35,600 --> 02:52:40,319
and if you need to make approvements,

3579
02:52:37,840 --> 02:52:43,760
there's nothing wrong with looking at it

3580
02:52:40,319 --> 02:52:46,640
then. But right now, support option one,

3581
02:52:43,760 --> 02:52:49,120
please. And I thank you for your time

3582
02:52:46,640 --> 02:52:55,080
and if you have any questions, I'm happy

3583
02:52:49,120 --> 02:52:55,080
to try and answer the questions of this.

3584
02:52:55,120 --> 02:52:59,560
That's fine. Thank you.

3585
02:53:09,520 --> 02:53:14,399
Good evening.

3586
02:53:11,279 --> 02:53:16,640
My name is J Bingham. I am on the map

3587
02:53:14,399 --> 02:53:18,640
adop committee representing larger

3588
02:53:16,640 --> 02:53:23,439
properties as the owner of the first

3589
02:53:18,640 --> 02:53:25,600
tub. For those in the um public area

3590
02:53:23,439 --> 02:53:27,920
that may be unaware, the committee was

3591
02:53:25,600 --> 02:53:30,640
made up were citizens. Two

3592
02:53:27,920 --> 02:53:32,240
accommodators, a business owner and a

3593
02:53:30,640 --> 02:53:34,880
resident.

3594
02:53:32,240 --> 02:53:37,520
The committee was chaired in meetings by

3595
02:53:34,880 --> 02:53:39,840
councelor Jodie Burbach. Please know

3596
02:53:37,520 --> 02:53:41,600
that I have not gauged other committee

3597
02:53:39,840 --> 02:53:47,000
members response to the management

3598
02:53:41,600 --> 02:53:47,000
report. I now speak only for myself.

3599
02:53:47,200 --> 02:53:51,760
I had hoped the hours dedicated to

3600
02:53:49,600 --> 02:53:54,319
preparing for and attending ad hoc

3601
02:53:51,760 --> 02:53:56,960
meetings practice policy would have been

3602
02:53:54,319 --> 02:53:58,960
enough. I had hoped our open

3603
02:53:56,960 --> 02:54:00,880
conversation and respectful debate

3604
02:53:58,960 --> 02:54:02,399
during those meetings would have been

3605
02:54:00,880 --> 02:54:04,960
enough.

3606
02:54:02,399 --> 02:54:07,200
I had hoped that unanimous support of

3607
02:54:04,960 --> 02:54:09,040
this policy by the committee would have

3608
02:54:07,200 --> 02:54:11,200
been enough.

3609
02:54:09,040 --> 02:54:13,840
But while the policy is here as

3610
02:54:11,200 --> 02:54:15,840
expected, I fear the accounting

3611
02:54:13,840 --> 02:54:18,640
management report undermines the work

3612
02:54:15,840 --> 02:54:20,479
that we did. And this is why I'm here

3613
02:54:18,640 --> 02:54:23,120
tonight.

3614
02:54:20,479 --> 02:54:25,760
I want to speak on two points. The

3615
02:54:23,120 --> 02:54:27,840
policy's emphasis on overnight stays and

3616
02:54:25,760 --> 02:54:31,520
the recommendation of an independent

3617
02:54:27,840 --> 02:54:33,200
committee to assess the applications.

3618
02:54:31,520 --> 02:54:35,200
I said at the beginning of the first

3619
02:54:33,200 --> 02:54:39,359
committee meeting and I will repeat it

3620
02:54:35,200 --> 02:54:42,880
here to the city. The money from the net

3621
02:54:39,359 --> 02:54:46,960
is passive income. To those of us that

3622
02:54:42,880 --> 02:54:49,520
generate it, it is anything but. We work

3623
02:54:46,960 --> 02:54:51,359
really hard to host the people who visit

3624
02:54:49,520 --> 02:54:54,560
our city.

3625
02:54:51,359 --> 02:54:58,560
But our hard work is not why the policy

3626
02:54:54,560 --> 02:55:01,840
focuses on overnight stays.

3627
02:54:58,560 --> 02:55:03,760
As everyone present already understands,

3628
02:55:01,840 --> 02:55:06,240
there is a direct correlation between

3629
02:55:03,760 --> 02:55:08,560
the success of accommodation businesses

3630
02:55:06,240 --> 02:55:12,080
and the net revenue.

3631
02:55:08,560 --> 02:55:15,359
Every single dollar the city receives is

3632
02:55:12,080 --> 02:55:18,080
because of the room nights be sold. If

3633
02:55:15,359 --> 02:55:20,160
our revenue drops, so did the transfers

3634
02:55:18,080 --> 02:55:22,960
to the city.

3635
02:55:20,160 --> 02:55:26,640
But this is not the sole reason why we

3636
02:55:22,960 --> 02:55:29,200
focused on overnights. It is also and I

3637
02:55:26,640 --> 02:55:32,319
would argue primarily about the health

3638
02:55:29,200 --> 02:55:34,640
of the broader tourism community.

3639
02:55:32,319 --> 02:55:37,120
Tourism data shows that overnight stays

3640
02:55:34,640 --> 02:55:39,760
never stand on their own. They are the

3641
02:55:37,120 --> 02:55:41,439
economic drivers and our key metric in

3642
02:55:39,760 --> 02:55:43,600
considering the overall health of a

3643
02:55:41,439 --> 02:55:46,160
tourism region.

3644
02:55:43,600 --> 02:55:48,080
I would like you to put a hint in the

3645
02:55:46,160 --> 02:55:50,399
last part of that sentence because I'll

3646
02:55:48,080 --> 02:55:54,240
be returning to it.

3647
02:55:50,399 --> 02:55:57,680
In 2016, Destination Stratford pointed

3648
02:55:54,240 --> 02:56:01,520
out that above overnight stays by 15%

3649
02:55:57,680 --> 02:56:04,960
would result in an increase of 23.5

3650
02:56:01,520 --> 02:56:09,840
million in visitor receipts.

3651
02:56:04,960 --> 02:56:12,560
That's 2016 money. In 2026 money, that

3652
02:56:09,840 --> 02:56:14,880
equals $31 million.

3653
02:56:12,560 --> 02:56:17,359
That number becomes especially

3654
02:56:14,880 --> 02:56:20,560
interesting when you consider only 30%

3655
02:56:17,359 --> 02:56:23,920
of tourism spending is on accommodation.

3656
02:56:20,560 --> 02:56:26,640
That leaves a whopping 22 billion

3657
02:56:23,920 --> 02:56:29,520
divided among sectors like restaurant,

3658
02:56:26,640 --> 02:56:33,120
entertainment, and retail.

3659
02:56:29,520 --> 02:56:36,880
15% increase in Brunai sold equals $31

3660
02:56:33,120 --> 02:56:39,040
million to this community.

3661
02:56:36,880 --> 02:56:41,120
And here's where I'll bring back the

3662
02:56:39,040 --> 02:56:44,160
sentence from a moment ago. I'll refresh

3663
02:56:41,120 --> 02:56:47,200
everyone's memory. Overnight stays are a

3664
02:56:44,160 --> 02:56:50,479
key metric in considering the overall

3665
02:56:47,200 --> 02:56:53,680
health of a tourism region.

3666
02:56:50,479 --> 02:56:55,520
In that report by destination Stratford,

3667
02:56:53,680 --> 02:56:58,880
it also pointed out that increasing

3668
02:56:55,520 --> 02:57:03,359
overnight stays by 15% would bring us

3669
02:56:58,880 --> 02:57:06,560
closer to the provincial average.

3670
02:57:03,359 --> 02:57:09,462
An increase of 15% would bring us closer

3671
02:57:06,560 --> 02:57:09,600
to the provincial average.

3672
02:57:09,462 --> 02:57:11,120
» [clears throat]

3673
02:57:09,600 --> 02:57:13,520
» For anyone that thought the city of

3674
02:57:11,120 --> 02:57:16,560
Stratford was a leader in tourism, the

3675
02:57:13,520 --> 02:57:19,760
data shows that is simply not the case.

3676
02:57:16,560 --> 02:57:24,160
It wasn't in 2016 and it certainly isn't

3677
02:57:19,760 --> 02:57:26,000
today. In fact, in 2025, room nights lag

3678
02:57:24,160 --> 02:57:28,720
34%

3679
02:57:26,000 --> 02:57:31,040
behind the provincial average.

3680
02:57:28,720 --> 02:57:35,600
I'm sure that number surprises many in

3681
02:57:31,040 --> 02:57:37,520
the room. Which brings me to point two.

3682
02:57:35,600 --> 02:57:39,600
I believe that everyone counselors,

3683
02:57:37,520 --> 02:57:41,279
taxpayers, and stakeholders alike would

3684
02:57:39,600 --> 02:57:43,600
agree that it is important that the

3685
02:57:41,279 --> 02:57:46,319
money be distributed fairly,

3686
02:57:43,600 --> 02:57:49,520
responsibly, and with the best return on

3687
02:57:46,319 --> 02:57:51,279
investment possible. That funded insight

3688
02:57:49,520 --> 02:57:53,040
takes the guidance of people who know

3689
02:57:51,279 --> 02:57:55,920
the industry.

3690
02:57:53,040 --> 02:57:58,720
And it is those in the room who knew

3691
02:57:55,920 --> 02:58:00,640
that the city trails are industry peers

3692
02:57:58,720 --> 02:58:02,479
who are the most valuable in assessing

3693
02:58:00,640 --> 02:58:04,000
and recommending applications to

3694
02:58:02,479 --> 02:58:06,160
council.

3695
02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:08,560
They know not only what makes their

3696
02:58:06,160 --> 02:58:12,319
businesses successful, but what would

3697
02:58:08,560 --> 02:58:14,240
make the city successful as well.

3698
02:58:12,319 --> 02:58:17,359
During committee meetings where we were

3699
02:58:14,240 --> 02:58:20,399
told time and time and time again that

3700
02:58:17,359 --> 02:58:23,520
council gets to make the final decision

3701
02:58:20,399 --> 02:58:26,240
on this policy and on every decision to

3702
02:58:23,520 --> 02:58:29,040
distribute that money. I understand

3703
02:58:26,240 --> 02:58:31,040
that. I do.

3704
02:58:29,040 --> 02:58:33,040
But I also like to believe that I live

3705
02:58:31,040 --> 02:58:34,800
in a community where the work of a

3706
02:58:33,040 --> 02:58:38,160
committee whose members were chosen by

3707
02:58:34,800 --> 02:58:41,040
this council would be supported.

3708
02:58:38,160 --> 02:58:43,920
That work that ensures funds be

3709
02:58:41,040 --> 02:58:46,000
distributed fairly, responsibly and with

3710
02:58:43,920 --> 02:58:48,080
the best return on investment possible

3711
02:58:46,000 --> 02:58:50,640
would be supported

3712
02:58:48,080 --> 02:58:53,680
and that the work and that work that is

3713
02:58:50,640 --> 02:58:56,000
informed by expertise and a true desire

3714
02:58:53,680 --> 02:58:57,600
to see tourism thrive would be

3715
02:58:56,000 --> 02:59:01,240
supported.

3716
02:58:57,600 --> 02:59:01,240
Thank you. Any

3717
02:59:01,680 --> 02:59:06,040
questions for the present

3718
02:59:06,399 --> 02:59:10,680
for your time with the community

3719
02:59:21,120 --> 02:59:24,960
as noted on the agenda there is a staff

3720
02:59:22,960 --> 02:59:27,439
recommendation that the report title

3721
02:59:24,960 --> 02:59:29,439
draft use of municipal comp tax policy

3722
02:59:27,439 --> 02:59:31,840
be received for information and that

3723
02:59:29,439 --> 02:59:33,840
council provide to staff private

3724
02:59:31,840 --> 02:59:37,960
direction staff on next step. So we are

3725
02:59:33,840 --> 02:59:37,960
looking for direction from council

3726
02:59:38,960 --> 02:59:43,520
» Uh through the mayor. First of all I'd

3727
02:59:40,800 --> 02:59:46,479
like to thank everybody who participated

3728
02:59:43,520 --> 02:59:49,200
in the alcohol committee and the

3729
02:59:46,479 --> 02:59:51,279
discussions around it. I certainly agree

3730
02:59:49,200 --> 02:59:54,000
with the idea that overnight foundation

3731
02:59:51,279 --> 02:59:57,279
should be a piece of our strategy at the

3732
02:59:54,000 --> 03:00:00,560
city of Straford. uh and the data backs

3733
02:59:57,279 --> 03:00:05,120
that up in a general sense in what we do

3734
03:00:00,560 --> 03:00:06,880
and that the um uh shoulder season is

3735
03:00:05,120 --> 03:00:10,080
particularly a place where that should

3736
03:00:06,880 --> 03:00:13,439
be focused on. Uh but I don't know

3737
03:00:10,080 --> 03:00:15,279
necessarily that I agree with the um

3738
03:00:13,439 --> 03:00:16,880
with all of the funings and I think

3739
03:00:15,279 --> 03:00:19,600
there's things that have to be worked

3740
03:00:16,880 --> 03:00:21,920
through there. We do have a destination

3741
03:00:19,600 --> 03:00:23,439
marketing organization

3742
03:00:21,920 --> 03:00:27,840
uh [clears throat] that is really

3743
03:00:23,439 --> 03:00:31,279
responsible for marketing and uh uh and

3744
03:00:27,840 --> 03:00:33,840
coming up with programs for this for us.

3745
03:00:31,279 --> 03:00:35,920
Uh I understand that we are working on a

3746
03:00:33,840 --> 03:00:38,640
memorandum of understanding a service

3747
03:00:35,920 --> 03:00:40,800
agreement with them. Uh it seems to me

3748
03:00:38,640 --> 03:00:43,439
that that would be the right place for

3749
03:00:40,800 --> 03:00:45,760
that. In previous versions of

3750
03:00:43,439 --> 03:00:48,640
destination Stratford, which I was at

3751
03:00:45,760 --> 03:00:52,240
one point the chair of, there was a

3752
03:00:48,640 --> 03:00:56,080
committee that was led by who

3753
03:00:52,240 --> 03:00:58,800
recommended the um the tourism uh

3754
03:00:56,080 --> 03:01:03,200
marketing budget and released funds to

3755
03:00:58,800 --> 03:01:05,359
it. Um and things have gotten you know

3756
03:01:03,200 --> 03:01:08,800
mixed up over the years through co and

3757
03:01:05,359 --> 03:01:11,120
other ways that that hasn't sort of

3758
03:01:08,800 --> 03:01:14,240
transferred but there are other things

3759
03:01:11,120 --> 03:01:16,640
that tourism dollars can be afforded to.

3760
03:01:14,240 --> 03:01:18,880
We do live in a community in which not

3761
03:01:16,640 --> 03:01:20,960
everybody is feels that they are

3762
03:01:18,880 --> 03:01:23,120
supported by the tourism economy and we

3763
03:01:20,960 --> 03:01:25,200
have to be aware that they don't

3764
03:01:23,120 --> 03:01:28,160
necessarily like the flowers that we

3765
03:01:25,200 --> 03:01:30,399
that we uh that we plan to make the city

3766
03:01:28,160 --> 03:01:33,040
beautiful and they don't represent but

3767
03:01:30,399 --> 03:01:35,840
we make them pay for it and there is no

3768
03:01:33,040 --> 03:01:37,840
reason why under the legislation things

3769
03:01:35,840 --> 03:01:40,080
like that infrastructure pieces could

3770
03:01:37,840 --> 03:01:44,080
not be also funded with the city's

3771
03:01:40,080 --> 03:01:46,319
portion of M dollars. Uh so I I

3772
03:01:44,080 --> 03:01:48,800
understand the the focus of the

3773
03:01:46,319 --> 03:01:51,120
committee and and agree with the general

3774
03:01:48,800 --> 03:01:52,880
finding that we need to be focusing on

3775
03:01:51,120 --> 03:01:54,960
overnight accommodations. They spend

3776
03:01:52,880 --> 03:01:56,800
more money. They spend more time in our

3777
03:01:54,960 --> 03:01:59,200
community and they become part of a

3778
03:01:56,800 --> 03:02:02,479
community. Uh I think that there still

3779
03:01:59,200 --> 03:02:04,800
needs to be some work done on exactly

3780
03:02:02,479 --> 03:02:06,319
how that looks and it's managed by

3781
03:02:04,800 --> 03:02:09,279
council. I think that there's a

3782
03:02:06,319 --> 03:02:11,200
recommendation in there that uh that

3783
03:02:09,279 --> 03:02:13,120
that committee would would be

3784
03:02:11,200 --> 03:02:15,200
responsible for setting the math tax

3785
03:02:13,120 --> 03:02:16,720
rate. I don't think that that makes a

3786
03:02:15,200 --> 03:02:20,160
lot of sense that it takes it out of the

3787
03:02:16,720 --> 03:02:22,479
hands of council. Uh which ultimately

3788
03:02:20,160 --> 03:02:24,880
the people of Straford will want us to

3789
03:02:22,479 --> 03:02:26,640
be responsible for. So I think that

3790
03:02:24,880 --> 03:02:29,680
there's lots of good work that has been

3791
03:02:26,640 --> 03:02:32,000
done here. Uh, and I just wonder if in

3792
03:02:29,680 --> 03:02:35,279
this process Destination Sher was

3793
03:02:32,000 --> 03:02:38,279
formally brought into the discussions at

3794
03:02:35,279 --> 03:02:38,279
all.

3795
03:02:38,560 --> 03:02:41,800
» Thank you.

3796
03:02:42,000 --> 03:02:46,880
» Jerry, did you want to respond to that?

3797
03:02:43,680 --> 03:02:48,720
» Sure. Um, through the chair. Uh, no. We

3798
03:02:46,880 --> 03:02:50,720
did not talk directly to Destination

3799
03:02:48,720 --> 03:02:53,760
Stratford. I do know that they followed

3800
03:02:50,720 --> 03:02:56,399
closely and you know looking at the

3801
03:02:53,760 --> 03:03:00,399
grant program when I talked about it

3802
03:02:56,399 --> 03:03:01,840
with destination track folks um they

3803
03:03:00,399 --> 03:03:05,040
don't have a problem with it their goal

3804
03:03:01,840 --> 03:03:08,160
is the same to um increase tourism

3805
03:03:05,040 --> 03:03:11,359
overall and increasing overnight states

3806
03:03:08,160 --> 03:03:15,359
is definitely a way to do that so when I

3807
03:03:11,359 --> 03:03:17,200
look at the options um I do want the

3808
03:03:15,359 --> 03:03:19,040
policy

3809
03:03:17,200 --> 03:03:21,200
adopted

3810
03:03:19,040 --> 03:03:23,600
The only parts of it that I might have

3811
03:03:21,200 --> 03:03:26,080
some misgivings with are the the

3812
03:03:23,600 --> 03:03:28,000
percentage. So the recommendation that

3813
03:03:26,080 --> 03:03:31,120
the committee made was that the full

3814
03:03:28,000 --> 03:03:33,760
amount of the city portion of the MAT

3815
03:03:31,120 --> 03:03:35,520
tax would go towards this grant program.

3816
03:03:33,760 --> 03:03:38,399
And I think there's a world in which we

3817
03:03:35,520 --> 03:03:41,120
can have the grant program and we have

3818
03:03:38,399 --> 03:03:43,200
some money set aside so that council can

3819
03:03:41,120 --> 03:03:45,279
use that money within the parameters

3820
03:03:43,200 --> 03:03:48,319
province gives. And like you're saying,

3821
03:03:45,279 --> 03:03:50,240
Councelor McCabe, perhaps supporting

3822
03:03:48,319 --> 03:03:53,279
tourism in some other ways that could

3823
03:03:50,240 --> 03:03:57,040
take the burden off the the taxpayer in

3824
03:03:53,279 --> 03:03:59,279
general. So I I'm not sure exactly what

3825
03:03:57,040 --> 03:04:02,960
that looks like. I was thinking that it

3826
03:03:59,279 --> 03:04:06,319
would be the total amount of Matt tax

3827
03:04:02,960 --> 03:04:09,760
right now, it's about $350,000.

3828
03:04:06,319 --> 03:04:12,240
So let's say we divide that into thirds.

3829
03:04:09,760 --> 03:04:15,840
We're going to round up. um maybe we

3830
03:04:12,240 --> 03:04:19,600
could have, you know, twothirds going

3831
03:04:15,840 --> 03:04:21,439
towards this grant program and a third

3832
03:04:19,600 --> 03:04:24,479
going towards

3833
03:04:21,439 --> 03:04:25,840
uh our reserve fund in where that

3834
03:04:24,479 --> 03:04:28,960
council can have a little bit more

3835
03:04:25,840 --> 03:04:31,040
flexibility. Um so going forward, I

3836
03:04:28,960 --> 03:04:34,880
would like to see something like that.

3837
03:04:31,040 --> 03:04:36,560
Uh, as far as the the committee to

3838
03:04:34,880 --> 03:04:38,800
recommend

3839
03:04:36,560 --> 03:04:40,800
um how the money is spent, that one's a

3840
03:04:38,800 --> 03:04:42,319
little trickier, I think, and I think we

3841
03:04:40,800 --> 03:04:45,520
need to spend a little more time

3842
03:04:42,319 --> 03:04:48,720
thinking about how we can do that. Um,

3843
03:04:45,520 --> 03:04:50,800
we have brand programs already. We have

3844
03:04:48,720 --> 03:04:55,520
the community grant program city which

3845
03:04:50,800 --> 03:04:58,080
is administered by a a staff council

3846
03:04:55,520 --> 03:05:00,479
group committee that works together.

3847
03:04:58,080 --> 03:05:03,200
Um we have destination Stratford that

3848
03:05:00,479 --> 03:05:05,840
also has a grant program. So there there

3849
03:05:03,200 --> 03:05:09,520
are places where we are already running

3850
03:05:05,840 --> 03:05:12,319
grant programs and this could be a

3851
03:05:09,520 --> 03:05:14,720
possible possibly move to one of those

3852
03:05:12,319 --> 03:05:18,479
areas wherever it's going to fit the

3853
03:05:14,720 --> 03:05:22,160
best. um and could possibly also include

3854
03:05:18,479 --> 03:05:24,560
people again from the public that

3855
03:05:22,160 --> 03:05:27,120
experts as we heard from the people that

3856
03:05:24,560 --> 03:05:29,760
are accommodators and that are in the

3857
03:05:27,120 --> 03:05:34,720
tourism industry could also be a part of

3858
03:05:29,760 --> 03:05:38,240
it. Um, so I guess my recommendation is

3859
03:05:34,720 --> 03:05:41,200
option one with a few police.

3860
03:05:38,240 --> 03:05:42,960
Um, I don't know. I maybe I'll leave it

3861
03:05:41,200 --> 03:05:45,279
before I make that leave it to my

3862
03:05:42,960 --> 03:05:47,279
colleagues to talk about some of the

3863
03:05:45,279 --> 03:05:50,560
parts as I'm [clears throat]

3864
03:05:47,279 --> 03:05:51,840
recommending it before I make motion.

3865
03:05:50,560 --> 03:05:54,399
Council.

3866
03:05:51,840 --> 03:05:56,240
» Uh, thank you to the mayor. Um, there's

3867
03:05:54,399 --> 03:05:59,439
obviously a lot of work gone into this

3868
03:05:56,240 --> 03:06:01,760
and and grateful for that. the um it it

3869
03:05:59,439 --> 03:06:04,080
feels to me like it's starting to

3870
03:06:01,760 --> 03:06:05,680
fragment a little and I think council

3871
03:06:04,080 --> 03:06:07,840
McCabe kind of touched on that. It

3872
03:06:05,680 --> 03:06:12,160
almost feels like we're creating a new

3873
03:06:07,840 --> 03:06:14,960
destination Stratford and and and

3874
03:06:12,160 --> 03:06:17,840
that's uh challenging enough, but we

3875
03:06:14,960 --> 03:06:20,399
also have BIA that's trying to attract

3876
03:06:17,840 --> 03:06:22,160
people to our downtown. And I wonder if

3877
03:06:20,399 --> 03:06:24,800
there's a way we can kind of coordinate

3878
03:06:22,160 --> 03:06:27,200
that a little better instead of because

3879
03:06:24,800 --> 03:06:30,640
if we're duplicating work that's not

3880
03:06:27,200 --> 03:06:32,560
efficient. Um I I I agree with with

3881
03:06:30,640 --> 03:06:34,000
their goal of increasing overnight

3882
03:06:32,560 --> 03:06:37,359
stays. I think it's really important

3883
03:06:34,000 --> 03:06:40,880
that our accommodators be supported. Um

3884
03:06:37,359 --> 03:06:42,720
and we depend on them in the summer. So

3885
03:06:40,880 --> 03:06:45,040
allowing them to survive requires that

3886
03:06:42,720 --> 03:06:47,120
we do more for them in the winter and

3887
03:06:45,040 --> 03:06:48,880
the shoulder seasons. and anything

3888
03:06:47,120 --> 03:06:52,800
that's going to boost that I'm in favor

3889
03:06:48,880 --> 03:06:54,880
of. Um I I I just feel like there's

3890
03:06:52,800 --> 03:06:58,399
there's more discussion required at this

3891
03:06:54,880 --> 03:07:02,800
yet. And I was inclined to either defer

3892
03:06:58,399 --> 03:07:04,800
it uh or to or to um get input from

3893
03:07:02,800 --> 03:07:05,920
staff on how we might make this work

3894
03:07:04,800 --> 03:07:07,600
better. But I would like the

3895
03:07:05,920 --> 03:07:12,160
accommodators to definitely have a say

3896
03:07:07,600 --> 03:07:15,359
in how the money is spent. Um and and

3897
03:07:12,160 --> 03:07:17,200
you know have them u get an opportunity

3898
03:07:15,359 --> 03:07:20,240
to recommend things that are going to

3899
03:07:17,200 --> 03:07:21,920
boost those overnight stays. And I think

3900
03:07:20,240 --> 03:07:24,319
that's what I was kind of expecting in

3901
03:07:21,920 --> 03:07:26,960
this report was sort of a list of

3902
03:07:24,319 --> 03:07:29,760
recommended uh things that could be

3903
03:07:26,960 --> 03:07:31,920
done. Um and this this is just different

3904
03:07:29,760 --> 03:07:37,399
that than that and I think it requires

3905
03:07:31,920 --> 03:07:37,399
more uh thought and discussion still

3906
03:07:48,720 --> 03:07:53,120
like

3907
03:07:50,720 --> 03:07:55,120
does that any chance to

3908
03:07:53,120 --> 03:07:57,920
» So through the chair if I understand

3909
03:07:55,120 --> 03:08:01,279
your question correctly Are you are you

3910
03:07:57,920 --> 03:08:02,399
asking if we can get grants to put

3911
03:08:01,279 --> 03:08:04,080
towards this? Yes.

3912
03:08:02,399 --> 03:08:05,920
» Um that's a good question from upper

3913
03:08:04,080 --> 03:08:08,880
levels of government maybe. But this

3914
03:08:05,920 --> 03:08:10,399
this one is specifically focused on the

3915
03:08:08,880 --> 03:08:12,800
money that we're collecting, the revenue

3916
03:08:10,399 --> 03:08:16,080
that we're collecting with this specific

3917
03:08:12,800 --> 03:08:18,479
municipal accommodation tax. Um how we

3918
03:08:16,080 --> 03:08:21,600
want to spend it. So it's that the

3919
03:08:18,479 --> 03:08:23,680
proposal is to create a grant program to

3920
03:08:21,600 --> 03:08:26,240
help anybody who would like to create an

3921
03:08:23,680 --> 03:08:28,560
event that would draw more people to

3922
03:08:26,240 --> 03:08:34,160
Stratford.

3923
03:08:28,560 --> 03:08:37,279
» I'm not sure that we say like 300,000.

3924
03:08:34,160 --> 03:08:40,319
» So 350,000 is the approximate annual

3925
03:08:37,279 --> 03:08:43,040
revenue right now. So uh that's the

3926
03:08:40,319 --> 03:08:45,840
city's portion of the Matt tax or the

3927
03:08:43,040 --> 03:08:47,680
MAT revenue. um the other portion

3928
03:08:45,840 --> 03:08:51,359
already goes to destination scrapford.

3929
03:08:47,680 --> 03:08:55,040
So that money then my my recommendation

3930
03:08:51,359 --> 03:08:58,399
was to maybe divide that again in parts

3931
03:08:55,040 --> 03:09:01,040
one part going towards this grant

3932
03:08:58,399 --> 03:09:04,240
structure and the other part being put

3933
03:09:01,040 --> 03:09:05,920
into reserve.

3934
03:09:04,240 --> 03:09:08,399
Other

3935
03:09:05,920 --> 03:09:11,200
questions or comments?

3936
03:09:08,399 --> 03:09:14,560
» Um to the chair and you know I think the

3937
03:09:11,200 --> 03:09:17,359
ideas that we um well there's a couple

3938
03:09:14,560 --> 03:09:20,399
concerns that I've had uh regarding

3939
03:09:17,359 --> 03:09:23,359
spending 100% of this through this grant

3940
03:09:20,399 --> 03:09:27,279
program. That leaves us with a position

3941
03:09:23,359 --> 03:09:29,840
where in for example uh we just were

3942
03:09:27,279 --> 03:09:32,720
about three years or we were uh shut

3943
03:09:29,840 --> 03:09:34,399
down uh and we had terrific government

3944
03:09:32,720 --> 03:09:35,920
support from other levels of government.

3945
03:09:34,399 --> 03:09:39,600
There's no guarantee that that is going

3946
03:09:35,920 --> 03:09:41,680
to happen in the future. uh and I think

3947
03:09:39,600 --> 03:09:45,920
uh one of the mistakes that was made

3948
03:09:41,680 --> 03:09:49,680
early in the organization years ago was

3949
03:09:45,920 --> 03:09:51,680
not keeping that uh reserve fund uh

3950
03:09:49,680 --> 03:09:53,680
flushed for a period of time when there

3951
03:09:51,680 --> 03:09:55,760
were challenges that were set up. So

3952
03:09:53,680 --> 03:10:00,560
that's one thing that I' I'd like to see

3953
03:09:55,760 --> 03:10:05,920
happening here. uh as well as uh really

3954
03:10:00,560 --> 03:10:09,200
understanding like the the uh what what

3955
03:10:05,920 --> 03:10:11,680
exactly can't be supported by this. For

3956
03:10:09,200 --> 03:10:14,640
example, let's say that we wanted to

3957
03:10:11,680 --> 03:10:17,600
have a uh two nights accommodation get

3958
03:10:14,640 --> 03:10:21,279
the third night free which is funded by

3959
03:10:17,600 --> 03:10:24,880
this that is that anticipated within

3960
03:10:21,279 --> 03:10:28,240
this policy or are we just talking about

3961
03:10:24,880 --> 03:10:29,920
events as a specific thing? It's there

3962
03:10:28,240 --> 03:10:33,600
there there just seems to be some

3963
03:10:29,920 --> 03:10:35,520
questions in my mind regarding the

3964
03:10:33,600 --> 03:10:38,960
flexibility in what we use the the

3965
03:10:35,520 --> 03:10:43,200
funding for or or fund and being able to

3966
03:10:38,960 --> 03:10:45,920
strategically act quickly on demand

3967
03:10:43,200 --> 03:10:48,160
problems that we see in the um in the

3968
03:10:45,920 --> 03:10:52,680
market.

3969
03:10:48,160 --> 03:10:52,680
» Thank you. Other colleagues

3970
03:10:55,520 --> 03:10:58,399
» To you the mayor. I just want a

3971
03:10:56,560 --> 03:11:00,800
clarification. So we saying that we're

3972
03:10:58,399 --> 03:11:04,800
getting 700,000

3973
03:11:00,800 --> 03:11:10,279
and we get 350 and destination starts to

3974
03:11:04,800 --> 03:11:10,279
get 350. That's right. Okay. Thank you.

3975
03:11:10,800 --> 03:11:14,240
» Any other comments?

3976
03:11:12,720 --> 03:11:15,279
» I guess I got a follow.

3977
03:11:14,240 --> 03:11:18,880
» Yes sir.

3978
03:11:15,279 --> 03:11:23,359
» Through the bar. Um I I think the

3979
03:11:18,880 --> 03:11:25,279
policies were really good and

3980
03:11:23,359 --> 03:11:27,279
because we're in the initial stages of

3981
03:11:25,279 --> 03:11:29,840
this and we're just sort of finding our

3982
03:11:27,279 --> 03:11:32,880
way.

3983
03:11:29,840 --> 03:11:35,200
I mean I think the first year going on

3984
03:11:32,880 --> 03:11:36,800
to the second year, you know, we're

3985
03:11:35,200 --> 03:11:39,680
going to find different things that

3986
03:11:36,800 --> 03:11:42,080
maybe we want we want to support or we

3987
03:11:39,680 --> 03:11:44,479
don't want to support.

3988
03:11:42,080 --> 03:11:45,840
And the brand idea is kind of a neat

3989
03:11:44,479 --> 03:11:48,800
idea like like you were just talking

3990
03:11:45,840 --> 03:11:50,479
about Larry about vote um you know two

3991
03:11:48,800 --> 03:11:52,560
nights a day getting an excellent half

3992
03:11:50,479 --> 03:11:57,920
price or something like I'm not sure how

3993
03:11:52,560 --> 03:11:59,600
that was worked and I'm not sure if um

3994
03:11:57,920 --> 03:12:01,920
other communities are doing things like

3995
03:11:59,600 --> 03:12:04,720
that but like you know we supported the

3996
03:12:01,920 --> 03:12:06,880
lights on stro because that was bringing

3997
03:12:04,720 --> 03:12:09,439
all kinds of people in plus our local

3998
03:12:06,880 --> 03:12:13,359
residents got to benefit from it right

3999
03:12:09,439 --> 03:12:15,840
and so things like that um having hockey

4000
03:12:13,359 --> 03:12:17,279
teams coming in for tournaments during

4001
03:12:15,840 --> 03:12:19,359
the winter months that brings some

4002
03:12:17,279 --> 03:12:21,200
people in and you know you got to try to

4003
03:12:19,359 --> 03:12:22,800
figure out if you can have turn around a

4004
03:12:21,200 --> 03:12:26,080
whole weekend so that that brings people

4005
03:12:22,800 --> 03:12:29,040
in for a weekend right so those are the

4006
03:12:26,080 --> 03:12:32,399
kind of things that I was thinking be

4007
03:12:29,040 --> 03:12:34,240
spending spending on like trying to you

4008
03:12:32,399 --> 03:12:37,600
know so the restaurants can be open in

4009
03:12:34,240 --> 03:12:39,279
the winter time and um or even just some

4010
03:12:37,600 --> 03:12:41,600
of them so they can start planning among

4011
03:12:39,279 --> 03:12:45,040
themselves or

4012
03:12:41,600 --> 03:12:47,840
some shut down on that. But I mean, um

4013
03:12:45,040 --> 03:12:50,560
I'm wondering if we in my mind, option

4014
03:12:47,840 --> 03:12:53,520
one is what we should be endorsing, but

4015
03:12:50,560 --> 03:12:55,600
with some with a few changes. So, I'm

4016
03:12:53,520 --> 03:12:59,200
not sure if that means we do option two

4017
03:12:55,600 --> 03:13:04,200
and then suggest some ideas that see

4018
03:12:59,200 --> 03:13:04,200
change and they'll be brought up.

4019
03:13:05,760 --> 03:13:11,760
other comments or direction staff counc

4020
03:13:09,680 --> 03:13:13,680
» Thank you to the chair I'm wondering if

4021
03:13:11,760 --> 03:13:15,680
there's a middle ground that we can find

4022
03:13:13,680 --> 03:13:17,680
where because I think a lot of times we

4023
03:13:15,680 --> 03:13:19,600
learn more by by doing and by testing

4024
03:13:17,680 --> 03:13:22,160
out a grant program and if there's a way

4025
03:13:19,600 --> 03:13:24,319
to kind of transition to almost a pilot

4026
03:13:22,160 --> 03:13:25,600
initiative but thinking a third quarter

4027
03:13:24,319 --> 03:13:29,120
and we're coming off on a shoulder

4028
03:13:25,600 --> 03:13:31,439
season to see what it looks like as

4029
03:13:29,120 --> 03:13:33,520
there's a few tweaks needed to be made

4030
03:13:31,439 --> 03:13:35,760
but essentially taking the great work of

4031
03:13:33,520 --> 03:13:39,359
our committee and putting it through a

4032
03:13:35,760 --> 03:13:41,920
shoulder season in a kind of um I was

4033
03:13:39,359 --> 03:13:44,800
not 100% but in a smaller way to see one

4034
03:13:41,920 --> 03:13:47,279
what is put forward um because that will

4035
03:13:44,800 --> 03:13:48,800
drastically change.

4036
03:13:47,279 --> 03:13:50,880
Some of us have ideas of what that could

4037
03:13:48,800 --> 03:13:53,920
be like but there could be ideas that we

4038
03:13:50,880 --> 03:13:55,439
never considered as well as what that uh

4039
03:13:53,920 --> 03:13:57,200
process can look like and what the

4040
03:13:55,439 --> 03:13:59,600
results can look like. It's obviously a

4041
03:13:57,200 --> 03:14:02,479
much smaller version, but taking that as

4042
03:13:59,600 --> 03:14:05,040
a smaller doing learning opportunity

4043
03:14:02,479 --> 03:14:06,720
that then allows uh applicants to give

4044
03:14:05,040 --> 03:14:08,239
feedback on the process. We can have

4045
03:14:06,720 --> 03:14:10,560
feedback more on what the coordination

4046
03:14:08,239 --> 03:14:12,160
mechanism looks like. But I think doing

4047
03:14:10,560 --> 03:14:14,319
something and taking the great work and

4048
03:14:12,160 --> 03:14:15,520
actioning it sooner than later um would

4049
03:14:14,319 --> 03:14:17,840
allow for that. I just don't know if

4050
03:14:15,520 --> 03:14:19,439
that's possible that you could speak to

4051
03:14:17,840 --> 03:14:21,920
what

4052
03:14:19,439 --> 03:14:25,520
setting aside a smaller version to or

4053
03:14:21,920 --> 03:14:28,399
try out a small would look like.

4054
03:14:25,520 --> 03:14:30,319
Thank you. Any other comments or

4055
03:14:28,399 --> 03:14:33,359
direction? Counc.

4056
03:14:30,319 --> 03:14:35,680
» Um, mayor. So,

4057
03:14:33,359 --> 03:14:37,920
I kind of like the idea of having like a

4058
03:14:35,680 --> 03:14:39,760
mini committee, but I think it should

4059
03:14:37,920 --> 03:14:42,239
be, you know, maybe a couple off the

4060
03:14:39,760 --> 03:14:46,080
original committee. Definitely. It

4061
03:14:42,239 --> 03:14:49,520
sounds like destination shipping and

4062
03:14:46,080 --> 03:14:51,680
that way they can work through

4063
03:14:49,520 --> 03:14:55,840
you know finalizing these grant ideas

4064
03:14:51,680 --> 03:14:58,880
and um but there's no such reinvent in

4065
03:14:55,840 --> 03:15:03,560
the wheel of we've already had

4066
03:14:58,880 --> 03:15:03,560
um gas station properties

4067
03:15:20,399 --> 03:15:23,359
Burbach.

4068
03:15:21,359 --> 03:15:25,840
» I just lost my train of thought there.

4069
03:15:23,359 --> 03:15:28,319
But um

4070
03:15:25,840 --> 03:15:31,200
so councelor Henderson, I think that

4071
03:15:28,319 --> 03:15:33,359
this this proposal is quite different or

4072
03:15:31,200 --> 03:15:35,920
we would draw a different type of event

4073
03:15:33,359 --> 03:15:37,680
than perhaps destination Stratford has

4074
03:15:35,920 --> 03:15:39,359
sort of looked at in the past. So, I

4075
03:15:37,680 --> 03:15:42,960
think that's where it would make it

4076
03:15:39,359 --> 03:15:46,399
different. Um, so I'm just going to make

4077
03:15:42,960 --> 03:15:50,560
a proposal uh put forward a motion that

4078
03:15:46,399 --> 03:15:52,640
we would um adopt the policy as

4079
03:15:50,560 --> 03:15:54,800
presented.

4080
03:15:52,640 --> 03:15:58,160
Well, not quite as presented to adopt

4081
03:15:54,800 --> 03:16:01,120
the policy of the grant program that the

4082
03:15:58,160 --> 03:16:06,160
ad hoc committee created.

4083
03:16:01,120 --> 03:16:08,479
um and dedicate onethird

4084
03:16:06,160 --> 03:16:12,640
of uh the city's portion of the MA

4085
03:16:08,479 --> 03:16:14,640
revenue to that program. I like the idea

4086
03:16:12,640 --> 03:16:17,680
of having it as a pilot program. So, I

4087
03:16:14,640 --> 03:16:20,239
propose that it would be a one-year

4088
03:16:17,680 --> 03:16:22,319
trial

4089
03:16:20,239 --> 03:16:24,800
and yeah, that's those are all the

4090
03:16:22,319 --> 03:16:27,120
details.

4091
03:16:24,800 --> 03:16:30,399
» Is there a second for that? Counc will

4092
03:16:27,120 --> 03:16:32,399
second that discussion. Counc

4093
03:16:30,399 --> 03:16:34,399
» Uh just to clarify through the mayor. So

4094
03:16:32,399 --> 03:16:35,279
the the remaining twothirds would be

4095
03:16:34,399 --> 03:16:36,800
distributed

4096
03:16:35,279 --> 03:16:40,000
» The remaining two/3s would go into the

4097
03:16:36,800 --> 03:16:42,640
reserve fund as as they do currently and

4098
03:16:40,000 --> 03:16:44,640
then so that money would be up to the

4099
03:16:42,640 --> 03:16:48,920
discretion of of council within the

4100
03:16:44,640 --> 03:16:48,920
provincial spending policy

4101
03:16:49,760 --> 03:16:56,000
and just clarify was it oneird for the

4102
03:16:52,319 --> 03:16:57,680
city reserve and two3 for the grant

4103
03:16:56,000 --> 03:17:01,279
» One third for the grant committee and

4104
03:16:57,680 --> 03:17:03,200
two/3s for the district

4105
03:17:01,279 --> 03:17:06,840
I missed

4106
03:17:03,200 --> 03:17:06,840
instead of the other

4107
03:17:11,040 --> 03:17:15,279
one.

4108
03:17:12,720 --> 03:17:17,680
» That's is there a second there for chair

4109
03:17:15,279 --> 03:17:19,760
burbex?

4110
03:17:17,680 --> 03:17:21,881
We'll second that.

4111
03:17:19,760 --> 03:17:23,760
Other comments.

4112
03:17:21,881 --> 03:17:25,520
[clears throat]

4113
03:17:23,760 --> 03:17:28,880
» Let me clarify the mot.

4114
03:17:25,520 --> 03:17:31,680
» Yes, I was going to suggest that just so

4115
03:17:28,880 --> 03:17:36,000
that everybody's clear.

4116
03:17:31,680 --> 03:17:39,200
Exam clerk, you read back.

4117
03:17:36,000 --> 03:17:41,040
» My understanding that the motion moved

4118
03:17:39,200 --> 03:17:44,880
by councelor Burbach and seconded by

4119
03:17:41,040 --> 03:17:46,960
councelor Brisco is that the

4120
03:17:44,880 --> 03:17:48,640
use of municipal accommodation tax

4121
03:17:46,960 --> 03:17:51,120
policy

4122
03:17:48,640 --> 03:17:53,600
be adopted

4123
03:17:51,120 --> 03:17:57,200
uh and include the following amendments.

4124
03:17:53,600 --> 03:17:59,040
that onethird of the city's portion uh

4125
03:17:57,200 --> 03:18:02,399
be directed to the grant committee and

4126
03:17:59,040 --> 03:18:04,239
that 2/3 be directed to the reserve.

4127
03:18:02,399 --> 03:18:07,120
» Is that correct?

4128
03:18:04,239 --> 03:18:10,520
» Sorry. On a one-year trial basis.

4129
03:18:07,120 --> 03:18:10,520
» Yes. Yes.

4130
03:18:12,080 --> 03:18:17,439
» Just for clarity, there's like when the

4131
03:18:15,279 --> 03:18:21,279
when the revenues are reported for the

4132
03:18:17,439 --> 03:18:24,560
city, 100% of the revenues go to the

4133
03:18:21,279 --> 03:18:27,840
service. Then from there, onethird would

4134
03:18:24,560 --> 03:18:30,560
be allocated to the grant program. Just

4135
03:18:27,840 --> 03:18:32,960
language consistency and so that there's

4136
03:18:30,560 --> 03:18:34,720
no um the way that it was previously

4137
03:18:32,960 --> 03:18:36,399
worded sort of maybe thought that it

4138
03:18:34,720 --> 03:18:40,239
seems like we would be cutting somebody

4139
03:18:36,399 --> 03:18:42,960
a check for oneird right somewhere to

4140
03:18:40,239 --> 03:18:43,520
administer. So that wouldn't necessarily

4141
03:18:42,960 --> 03:18:45,359
happen.

4142
03:18:43,520 --> 03:18:47,680
» Is that acceptable? Yeah, I appreciate

4143
03:18:45,359 --> 03:18:49,840
that.

4144
03:18:47,680 --> 03:18:52,479
» Crystal,

4145
03:18:49,840 --> 03:18:52,880
» Other comments? Councelor Brock and then

4146
03:18:52,479 --> 03:18:56,560
councelor

4147
03:18:52,880 --> 03:19:00,000
» And I I just wanted to ask councelor 7

4148
03:18:56,560 --> 03:19:03,600
um what your idea would be that the

4149
03:19:00,000 --> 03:19:05,760
ideal say split of the money or or not

4150
03:19:03,600 --> 03:19:08,760
no splitting. I'm just curious about the

4151
03:19:05,760 --> 03:19:08,760
thoughts.

4152
03:19:10,239 --> 03:19:14,880
Go ahead. No, thank you. I I liked the

4153
03:19:12,880 --> 03:19:18,880
idea of twothirds being allocated for

4154
03:19:14,880 --> 03:19:22,000
the committee grant potential um mainly

4155
03:19:18,880 --> 03:19:24,880
because I think um in my opinion what's

4156
03:19:22,000 --> 03:19:28,319
frustrated and those mate is that

4157
03:19:24,880 --> 03:19:30,960
council has been very quick and find it

4158
03:19:28,319 --> 03:19:34,000
very easy to spend that reserve and

4159
03:19:30,960 --> 03:19:37,120
without sort of a framework in place and

4160
03:19:34,000 --> 03:19:41,279
so I think if we have oneird

4161
03:19:37,120 --> 03:19:42,720
city's reserve we could use that for

4162
03:19:41,279 --> 03:19:45,359
using things for the tax base

4163
03:19:42,720 --> 03:19:47,200
potentially. Um, but I don't have a

4164
03:19:45,359 --> 03:19:49,760
specific malware in mind. I think

4165
03:19:47,200 --> 03:19:52,239
possibly a minimum,

4166
03:19:49,760 --> 03:19:55,153
but I feel like there is just not quite

4167
03:19:52,239 --> 03:19:56,239
enough. So,

4168
03:19:55,153 --> 03:19:59,279
[clears throat]

4169
03:19:56,239 --> 03:20:02,560
that was very

4170
03:19:59,279 --> 03:20:04,880
the mayor. Um,

4171
03:20:02,560 --> 03:20:07,040
so, okay, so say this year we got

4172
03:20:04,880 --> 03:20:09,680
$350,000.

4173
03:20:07,040 --> 03:20:12,080
So, that's put into the reserves. So

4174
03:20:09,680 --> 03:20:14,800
onethird of that could be used for

4175
03:20:12,080 --> 03:20:18,000
grants. So

4176
03:20:14,800 --> 03:20:20,239
if the city doesn't spend there, say

4177
03:20:18,000 --> 03:20:22,720
there was nothing they can do that year.

4178
03:20:20,239 --> 03:20:26,720
So the next year there's another well

4179
03:20:22,720 --> 03:20:28,399
let's say 300,000 goes in there. So,

4180
03:20:26,720 --> 03:20:31,760
could somebody come with a big project

4181
03:20:28,399 --> 03:20:34,720
and get one/ird of say

4182
03:20:31,760 --> 03:20:37,200
500,000 out

4183
03:20:34,720 --> 03:20:39,520
» Because if it starts to accumulate or

4184
03:20:37,200 --> 03:20:41,279
whatever and or we going to have a time

4185
03:20:39,520 --> 03:20:43,520
limit on each year that we have to use

4186
03:20:41,279 --> 03:20:44,960
it up or we going to try to we need to

4187
03:20:43,520 --> 03:20:46,960
really have some reserves in case

4188
03:20:44,960 --> 03:20:50,239
something happens like that time when we

4189
03:20:46,960 --> 03:20:52,319
did the all the

4190
03:20:50,239 --> 03:20:57,520
things for the tourism and residents,

4191
03:20:52,319 --> 03:20:59,520
right? have some direct um and somebody

4192
03:20:57,520 --> 03:21:01,760
correct me if I'm mis they're on here

4193
03:20:59,520 --> 03:21:04,720
but it's it's I think the intent with

4194
03:21:01,760 --> 03:21:06,800
the policy is that whatever the portion

4195
03:21:04,720 --> 03:21:09,200
is that's allocated to the grant program

4196
03:21:06,800 --> 03:21:13,399
would be would if it wasn't granted out

4197
03:21:09,200 --> 03:21:13,399
would be available for a subse

4198
03:21:20,720 --> 03:21:24,960
300 there'd be 500 available and that's

4199
03:21:23,279 --> 03:21:28,000
in here. But that was kind of the

4200
03:21:24,960 --> 03:21:29,040
intent. So similarly, if the amount is

4201
03:21:28,000 --> 03:21:31,120
changed,

4202
03:21:29,040 --> 03:21:33,840
» Then it would it would work the same way

4203
03:21:31,120 --> 03:21:36,080
is what I I would expect. And that's the

4204
03:21:33,840 --> 03:21:37,920
ability for the policy structure.

4205
03:21:36,080 --> 03:21:40,560
» I just want clarification on this. So

4206
03:21:37,920 --> 03:21:41,920
could they plan like a big event, say

4207
03:21:40,560 --> 03:21:43,439
they know in two years they're going to

4208
03:21:41,920 --> 03:21:45,760
have that much money, they could plan a

4209
03:21:43,439 --> 03:21:48,319
big event that um maybe goes the whole

4210
03:21:45,760 --> 03:21:50,960
weekend long with fans or somebody

4211
03:21:48,319 --> 03:21:53,279
coming in and it brings the people in.

4212
03:21:50,960 --> 03:21:54,640
could do something like that or is it

4213
03:21:53,279 --> 03:21:56,239
directed?

4214
03:21:54,640 --> 03:21:58,800
» Through the chair. So again, this is a

4215
03:21:56,239 --> 03:22:01,600
grant program. So applicants would apply

4216
03:21:58,800 --> 03:22:05,040
for the funding to run an event.

4217
03:22:01,600 --> 03:22:07,920
» So it would be up to like each year if

4218
03:22:05,040 --> 03:22:10,080
there was available application then the

4219
03:22:07,920 --> 03:22:12,080
committee could choose to award all of

4220
03:22:10,080 --> 03:22:14,479
the money or some of the money or

4221
03:22:12,080 --> 03:22:16,880
however it would be structured. So if

4222
03:22:14,479 --> 03:22:19,439
there was a known event or a known

4223
03:22:16,880 --> 03:22:22,160
application coming, I suppose the a

4224
03:22:19,439 --> 03:22:23,920
committee could withhold or not award

4225
03:22:22,160 --> 03:22:25,359
funds in a specific year, but that

4226
03:22:23,920 --> 03:22:28,359
wasn't really how how that was

4227
03:22:25,359 --> 03:22:28,359
» Content

4228
03:22:30,880 --> 03:22:35,279
was just a one-year trial period with

4229
03:22:32,960 --> 03:22:37,600
that third and I was third only given

4230
03:22:35,279 --> 03:22:40,160
the shoulder amounts we've identified or

4231
03:22:37,600 --> 03:22:41,840
four months or the year kind of

4232
03:22:40,160 --> 03:22:44,399
evaluating it in that way. And I think

4233
03:22:41,840 --> 03:22:46,720
part of it is just to see

4234
03:22:44,399 --> 03:22:47,760
and when you start putting policy into

4235
03:22:46,720 --> 03:22:49,439
action, you start seeing where the

4236
03:22:47,760 --> 03:22:52,000
breakdowns are. And I think my concern

4237
03:22:49,439 --> 03:22:54,000
is addressing what redundancies will pop

4238
03:22:52,000 --> 03:22:57,200
up when we then compare this against the

4239
03:22:54,000 --> 03:22:59,520
U destination structured uh program, the

4240
03:22:57,200 --> 03:23:01,840
community grants program and then but we

4241
03:22:59,520 --> 03:23:03,600
can't we can theory craft it or we can

4242
03:23:01,840 --> 03:23:06,720
trial it and we've done such great work

4243
03:23:03,600 --> 03:23:08,239
to trial it. um give us a starting point

4244
03:23:06,720 --> 03:23:11,040
that I think we'll learn more from doing

4245
03:23:08,239 --> 03:23:13,680
and see where that goes and then have a

4246
03:23:11,040 --> 03:23:15,920
starting point launching in to the next

4247
03:23:13,680 --> 03:23:17,600
year's shoulder season over summer to

4248
03:23:15,920 --> 03:23:19,920
really look at all three programs and

4249
03:23:17,600 --> 03:23:23,040
have a robust system then of what is

4250
03:23:19,920 --> 03:23:25,760
each branch addressing what is each um

4251
03:23:23,040 --> 03:23:27,680
kind of goal of each organization in

4252
03:23:25,760 --> 03:23:29,200
driving forward and supporting our

4253
03:23:27,680 --> 03:23:32,160
community through various ways but I

4254
03:23:29,200 --> 03:23:35,120
think that allowing the great work to

4255
03:23:32,160 --> 03:23:36,479
stand and just build on it from Um,

4256
03:23:35,120 --> 03:23:38,800
that's where I was thinking that trial

4257
03:23:36,479 --> 03:23:41,800
period. Uh, this shoulder seat would be

4258
03:23:38,800 --> 03:23:41,800
benefic.

4259
03:23:43,279 --> 03:23:47,040
» Uh, thank you through the mayor. I I'm

4260
03:23:45,040 --> 03:23:49,520
supportive of of the motion and

4261
03:23:47,040 --> 03:23:51,760
principle, but I I would like to see

4262
03:23:49,520 --> 03:23:54,000
some better coordination. The other body

4263
03:23:51,760 --> 03:23:56,880
we have is our sports tourism being run

4264
03:23:54,000 --> 03:23:58,880
by community services. So, we've we've

4265
03:23:56,880 --> 03:24:01,840
got three. This would create a third

4266
03:23:58,880 --> 03:24:05,279
group to get people here. I would just

4267
03:24:01,840 --> 03:24:07,200
like to see uh I was going to uh if if

4268
03:24:05,279 --> 03:24:09,520
the motion fails, I would put forth a

4269
03:24:07,200 --> 03:24:11,920
motion that we refer to staff to come up

4270
03:24:09,520 --> 03:24:14,920
with a mechanism to coordinate all of

4271
03:24:11,920 --> 03:24:14,920
these

4272
03:24:15,520 --> 03:24:19,200
or

4273
03:24:17,200 --> 03:24:21,359
» I just want to get it clear in my mind

4274
03:24:19,200 --> 03:24:22,880
that these grants would only be allowed

4275
03:24:21,359 --> 03:24:26,981
to events that are going to draw people

4276
03:24:22,880 --> 03:24:29,001
in overnight, right? It would be

4277
03:24:26,981 --> 03:24:29,001
[laughter]

4278
03:24:33,120 --> 03:24:36,120
so

4279
03:24:41,279 --> 03:24:45,479
there is a motion on the floor.

4280
03:24:48,319 --> 03:24:54,000
This is this may

4281
03:24:51,279 --> 03:24:55,600
» Um through your worship council

4282
03:24:54,000 --> 03:24:56,880
a motion he was intending to put forward

4283
03:24:55,600 --> 03:24:58,640
but there is already a motion on the

4284
03:24:56,880 --> 03:25:01,040
floor.

4285
03:24:58,640 --> 03:25:04,000
» Uh who is it?

4286
03:25:01,040 --> 03:25:07,279
» The motion is on the floor moved by

4287
03:25:04,000 --> 03:25:08,880
counc second by councelor Bristol. There

4288
03:25:07,279 --> 03:25:14,040
is a motion on the floor.

4289
03:25:08,880 --> 03:25:14,040
» Now the motion that 7.2

4290
03:25:14,720 --> 03:25:21,040
» Did you bring that forward? I did.

4291
03:25:19,120 --> 03:25:25,040
» No, I don't think we brought it forward.

4292
03:25:21,040 --> 03:25:28,880
» No, no, I mean that I just submitted.

4293
03:25:25,040 --> 03:25:31,600
» Yeah. Okay. It was submitted, but it's

4294
03:25:28,880 --> 03:25:33,200
your responsibility to bring it forward.

4295
03:25:31,600 --> 03:25:34,880
» That's what I'm doing.

4296
03:25:33,200 --> 03:25:36,479
» Okay. But there is a motion on the

4297
03:25:34,880 --> 03:25:39,920
floor.

4298
03:25:36,479 --> 03:25:42,000
So, we'll have to address that motion

4299
03:25:39,920 --> 03:25:42,640
and then if it's defeated, then we come

4300
03:25:42,000 --> 03:25:43,120
back.

4301
03:25:42,640 --> 03:25:45,920
» Okay.

4302
03:25:43,120 --> 03:25:47,520
» To the that motion.

4303
03:25:45,920 --> 03:25:50,000
magic game

4304
03:25:47,520 --> 03:25:51,520
» Uh through the chair and following up on

4305
03:25:50,000 --> 03:25:54,000
councelor contra's discussion about

4306
03:25:51,520 --> 03:25:57,120
fragmentation I have a real concern

4307
03:25:54,000 --> 03:25:59,600
about this we have we do we are

4308
03:25:57,120 --> 03:26:03,439
basically not having an accountable

4309
03:25:59,600 --> 03:26:08,560
organization or or

4310
03:26:03,439 --> 03:26:11,840
uh to point at when we evaluate what a

4311
03:26:08,560 --> 03:26:14,000
program is doing with tourism we do have

4312
03:26:11,840 --> 03:26:15,920
we have something happening in sports

4313
03:26:14,000 --> 03:26:18,640
touring we have something the community

4314
03:26:15,920 --> 03:26:21,520
gang grants program. You can't also

4315
03:26:18,640 --> 03:26:23,840
underestimate the time consuming nature

4316
03:26:21,520 --> 03:26:25,600
of putting grant proposals together for

4317
03:26:23,840 --> 03:26:27,760
the organizations that we're talking

4318
03:26:25,600 --> 03:26:30,479
about and the evaluation of these

4319
03:26:27,760 --> 03:26:34,399
programs by staff and then bringing

4320
03:26:30,479 --> 03:26:37,680
those reports forward into council to

4321
03:26:34,399 --> 03:26:40,720
continue to elaborate all of these does

4322
03:26:37,680 --> 03:26:43,040
not make a lot of sense to me. We have

4323
03:26:40,720 --> 03:26:44,399
we have an organization that has been

4324
03:26:43,040 --> 03:26:45,760
functioning for a number of years and I

4325
03:26:44,399 --> 03:26:47,600
think it's quite a successful

4326
03:26:45,760 --> 03:26:50,239
organization. It [clears throat] just

4327
03:26:47,600 --> 03:26:52,399
needs to have a more clear focus on

4328
03:26:50,239 --> 03:26:55,439
overnight accommodations. And I

4329
03:26:52,399 --> 03:26:59,120
certainly don't believe that you could

4330
03:26:55,439 --> 03:27:02,080
supplement their existing uh stream by

4331
03:26:59,120 --> 03:27:03,840
using more. But I can tell you that most

4332
03:27:02,080 --> 03:27:06,080
organizations don't want to be going

4333
03:27:03,840 --> 03:27:08,640
through another grant program and being

4334
03:27:06,080 --> 03:27:11,120
unaware of where their funding is going

4335
03:27:08,640 --> 03:27:14,160
to come or who is responsible for

4336
03:27:11,120 --> 03:27:17,120
evaluating them. It causes a lot of time

4337
03:27:14,160 --> 03:27:19,840
for these organizations.

4338
03:27:17,120 --> 03:27:22,560
Thank you, council. Council seven.

4339
03:27:19,840 --> 03:27:26,080
» Thank you. No, I I actually think it a

4340
03:27:22,560 --> 03:27:29,200
positive to have an additional grant

4341
03:27:26,080 --> 03:27:32,560
committee that could be available for

4342
03:27:29,200 --> 03:27:34,560
sort of anybody grassroots events that

4343
03:27:32,560 --> 03:27:37,279
are taking place. I think I don't think

4344
03:27:34,560 --> 03:27:39,200
it is a positive if we have one sort of

4345
03:27:37,279 --> 03:27:43,040
gatekeeper that is getting all the funds

4346
03:27:39,200 --> 03:27:45,840
from the city to to distribute to any

4347
03:27:43,040 --> 03:27:48,080
event. and and I think you know if

4348
03:27:45,840 --> 03:27:49,760
you're not fitting one criteria for for

4349
03:27:48,080 --> 03:27:52,399
one maybe you're fitting it better for

4350
03:27:49,760 --> 03:27:55,120
another and so I think even if we have

4351
03:27:52,399 --> 03:27:57,279
destination stra our existing grant

4352
03:27:55,120 --> 03:28:00,720
committee and this new committee

4353
03:27:57,279 --> 03:28:02,479
evaluating or available um we should be

4354
03:28:00,720 --> 03:28:05,760
at least you know this is a one year we

4355
03:28:02,479 --> 03:28:09,760
should at least try um because we know

4356
03:28:05,760 --> 03:28:11,359
how effective having what we have is and

4357
03:28:09,760 --> 03:28:13,200
we don't know what it would be to have

4358
03:28:11,359 --> 03:28:15,359
this other

4359
03:28:13,200 --> 03:28:17,439
committee available the grants available

4360
03:28:15,359 --> 03:28:22,000
there's a very detailed framework laid

4361
03:28:17,439 --> 03:28:24,479
out by the ad hoc committee I think um

4362
03:28:22,000 --> 03:28:26,239
you know aside from my comments earlier

4363
03:28:24,479 --> 03:28:28,239
about the ratios I think this will

4364
03:28:26,239 --> 03:28:31,520
probably go to as close as I can get to

4365
03:28:28,239 --> 03:28:33,760
what I am looking for so I I do support

4366
03:28:31,520 --> 03:28:35,279
on the floor and I think it is a

4367
03:28:33,760 --> 03:28:37,120
positive

4368
03:28:35,279 --> 03:28:39,439
to do with one year I did just want to

4369
03:28:37,120 --> 03:28:41,840
clarify though when the one year comes

4370
03:28:39,439 --> 03:28:43,520
up that it won't just be just getting

4371
03:28:41,840 --> 03:28:47,200
more back to where we are. It'd be sort

4372
03:28:43,520 --> 03:28:49,040
of more that we' be present

4373
03:28:47,200 --> 03:28:54,000
or we would just decide to continue it

4374
03:28:49,040 --> 03:28:56,399
before it ends. Is that the intention

4375
03:28:54,000 --> 03:28:58,080
if if we were successful rather than it

4376
03:28:56,399 --> 03:29:01,120
ending and then having to restart it

4377
03:28:58,080 --> 03:29:04,479
after one year?

4378
03:29:01,120 --> 03:29:07,279
» I'll turn that to the CEO.

4379
03:29:04,479 --> 03:29:09,439
» Uh thank So on that point, just trying

4380
03:29:07,279 --> 03:29:13,040
to think through what that might look

4381
03:29:09,439 --> 03:29:16,800
like. I would suggest [snorts] uh we do

4382
03:29:13,040 --> 03:29:19,279
a pilot that is 6 to9 months then

4383
03:29:16,800 --> 03:29:21,760
reassess bring a report to council that

4384
03:29:19,279 --> 03:29:24,479
would then allow you to start forward or

4385
03:29:21,760 --> 03:29:27,600
the following season uh property is one

4386
03:29:24,479 --> 03:29:29,760
year breaks it up but would be tricky to

4387
03:29:27,600 --> 03:29:30,880
bring something older back um because

4388
03:29:29,760 --> 03:29:34,560
you're technically would have two

4389
03:29:30,880 --> 03:29:37,359
seasons within the same same policy. Uh

4390
03:29:34,560 --> 03:29:40,800
so if you do a 6 to9 month that allows

4391
03:29:37,359 --> 03:29:42,160
new period there will be some many

4392
03:29:40,800 --> 03:29:44,000
suggestions I'm sure from an

4393
03:29:42,160 --> 03:29:45,680
administration perspective but also from

4394
03:29:44,000 --> 03:29:47,680
just directly grant policy perspective

4395
03:29:45,680 --> 03:29:52,239
these items go through really lots of

4396
03:29:47,680 --> 03:29:55,120
changes before they tend to um provide a

4397
03:29:52,239 --> 03:29:59,239
good base um but certainly on that

4398
03:29:55,120 --> 03:29:59,239
timing perspective that's

4399
03:30:01,439 --> 03:30:05,359
» Other comments questions amendments

4400
03:30:08,640 --> 03:30:12,880
Seeing none, there is a motion on the

4401
03:30:10,319 --> 03:30:18,279
floor and there's nothing further. I

4402
03:30:12,880 --> 03:30:18,279
will call the question. All in favor

4403
03:30:25,520 --> 03:30:28,920
» And that is

4404
03:30:29,920 --> 03:30:35,439
yes. Yeah, we're not understand what you

4405
03:30:32,479 --> 03:30:38,399
made. Did you claim what the commission

4406
03:30:35,439 --> 03:30:41,439
was?

4407
03:30:38,399 --> 03:30:43,279
» Uh so through your worship. So, uh,

4408
03:30:41,439 --> 03:30:45,120
councelor Burbach and councelor Brisco

4409
03:30:43,279 --> 03:30:46,880
put a motion on the floor. So, that

4410
03:30:45,120 --> 03:30:49,359
superseded

4411
03:30:46,880 --> 03:30:51,439
the intent

4412
03:30:49,359 --> 03:30:53,680
because you didn't raise the motion on

4413
03:30:51,439 --> 03:30:56,720
in the meeting. And now that motion has

4414
03:30:53,680 --> 03:31:01,880
carried I'm just

4415
03:30:56,720 --> 03:31:01,880
I'm looking my computer. I didn't see.

4416
03:31:02,000 --> 03:31:07,359
So there was a So

4417
03:31:04,800 --> 03:31:10,319
I know you had sent something into the

4418
03:31:07,359 --> 03:31:14,040
clerk. It's your responsibility to bring

4419
03:31:10,319 --> 03:31:14,040
that motion forward.

4420
03:31:21,920 --> 03:31:26,479
I don't believe there's anything else on

4421
03:31:23,520 --> 03:31:29,840
this matter. It's it's been uh motion

4422
03:31:26,479 --> 03:31:32,239
has been moved second and passed.

4423
03:31:29,840 --> 03:31:34,640
Call for the next item.

4424
03:31:32,239 --> 03:31:37,040
The three worship item 7.3 is the

4425
03:31:34,640 --> 03:31:39,840
feeding charges for 2027 and our

4426
03:31:37,040 --> 03:31:42,000
discount recommendation that the 2027

4427
03:31:39,840 --> 03:31:45,920
fees and charges by be approved as

4428
03:31:42,000 --> 03:31:48,880
presented in report CO26-3

4429
03:31:45,920 --> 03:31:52,640
with an effective date of January 1st 27

4430
03:31:48,880 --> 03:31:55,040
that the fees and charges bylaw 125-2025

4431
03:31:52,640 --> 03:31:57,760
as amended your repeal upon the new

4432
03:31:55,040 --> 03:31:59,200
charge bylaw putting into effect in that

4433
03:31:57,760 --> 03:32:01,359
direction we give it a state court to

4434
03:31:59,200 --> 03:32:02,479
list the 2175

4435
03:32:01,359 --> 03:32:06,080
law

4436
03:32:02,479 --> 03:32:09,080
for consideration by

4437
03:32:06,080 --> 03:32:09,080
» Councing

4438
03:32:12,080 --> 03:32:16,640
the clock portion. I just noticed that

4439
03:32:14,560 --> 03:32:22,200
there's increases in the fees but

4440
03:32:16,640 --> 03:32:22,200
there's a decrease in the sponsors swim

4441
03:32:22,319 --> 03:32:27,840
explanation as why the prices for users

4442
03:32:24,160 --> 03:32:28,640
are going up but to sponsor

4443
03:32:27,840 --> 03:32:31,359
you.

4444
03:32:28,640 --> 03:32:35,279
» Yeah. Uh through the mayor. So the in

4445
03:32:31,359 --> 03:32:38,720
looking at um fees that have went up for

4446
03:32:35,279 --> 03:32:43,040
the public swim since 2023 when all the

4447
03:32:38,720 --> 03:32:46,000
fees were consolidated pre203.

4448
03:32:43,040 --> 03:32:49,920
um youth would uh youth admission was

4449
03:32:46,000 --> 03:32:53,439
around dollars and adults were like 550.

4450
03:32:49,920 --> 03:32:54,880
So this fee isn't

4451
03:32:53,439 --> 03:32:56,800
is lower than that but it's starting to

4452
03:32:54,880 --> 03:32:58,319
cover staff wages as well as the

4453
03:32:56,800 --> 03:33:00,080
chemical increase and stuff like that.

4454
03:32:58,319 --> 03:33:03,279
And then looking at industry standards

4455
03:33:00,080 --> 03:33:06,000
and how other municipalities are looking

4456
03:33:03,279 --> 03:33:07,359
at their sponsorship. We were a little

4457
03:33:06,000 --> 03:33:09,359
bit higher when you look at the private

4458
03:33:07,359 --> 03:33:11,359
rental rate and hourly rate. Our

4459
03:33:09,359 --> 03:33:13,520
sponsorship rate was quite high

4460
03:33:11,359 --> 03:33:15,680
comparatively. So we've just tried to

4461
03:33:13,520 --> 03:33:18,080
make it more industrial standard

4462
03:33:15,680 --> 03:33:20,800
matching and then also allow businesses

4463
03:33:18,080 --> 03:33:22,720
to get their name out there through uh

4464
03:33:20,800 --> 03:33:24,560
obviously sponsoring sponsoring swims

4465
03:33:22,720 --> 03:33:27,760
and reducing barriers for people to be

4466
03:33:24,560 --> 03:33:30,560
able to spend. So that that's my Thank

4467
03:33:27,760 --> 03:33:33,200
you.

4468
03:33:30,560 --> 03:33:36,080
Anything else?

4469
03:33:33,200 --> 03:33:38,319
You're moving for this item

4470
03:33:36,080 --> 03:33:40,960
will move second by councelor Niger.

4471
03:33:38,319 --> 03:33:45,359
Further discussion

4472
03:33:40,960 --> 03:33:49,160
see all in favor opposing that's

4473
03:33:45,359 --> 03:33:49,160
unanimously car

4474
03:33:51,600 --> 03:33:55,840
item 7.4 Four, the list of municipal

4475
03:33:54,000 --> 03:33:58,080
assets for commercial landing rights

4476
03:33:55,840 --> 03:34:00,239
under staff recommendation that policy

4477
03:33:58,080 --> 03:34:03,439
C.16

4478
03:34:00,239 --> 03:34:05,760
advertising small rights be amended to

4479
03:34:03,439 --> 03:34:07,520
include appendix A list of municipal

4480
03:34:05,760 --> 03:34:11,560
assets eligible for commercial land

4481
03:34:07,520 --> 03:34:11,560
rights attached to the report.

4482
03:34:11,680 --> 03:34:15,840
» Anything for

4483
03:34:13,840 --> 03:34:18,080
» No, I'm good. Wait for some questions.

4484
03:34:15,840 --> 03:34:21,040
Second

4485
03:34:18,080 --> 03:34:24,960
» Mover for this item. Councelor Nigel

4486
03:34:21,040 --> 03:34:27,120
signed by counc. Discussion counc.

4487
03:34:24,960 --> 03:34:29,520
» Uh thank you. Just a comment that I I

4488
03:34:27,120 --> 03:34:33,040
generally

4489
03:34:29,520 --> 03:34:34,160
don't support the policy. Um to me it's

4490
03:34:33,040 --> 03:34:36,560
just very similar to the bench

4491
03:34:34,160 --> 03:34:38,560
advertising law across the city. uh I

4492
03:34:36,560 --> 03:34:41,040
just see it as a very increase in

4493
03:34:38,560 --> 03:34:44,160
commercialization in a lot of the cases

4494
03:34:41,040 --> 03:34:47,760
and uh quite directly to me it just

4495
03:34:44,160 --> 03:34:51,600
isn't it isn't worth it. So I just

4496
03:34:47,760 --> 03:34:54,160
continue on with my position.

4497
03:34:51,600 --> 03:34:56,640
» Thank you councelor go ahead please.

4498
03:34:54,160 --> 03:34:58,560
» Thank you chair. I just want to thank m

4499
03:34:56,640 --> 03:35:01,680
for the other list. I know it was one of

4500
03:34:58,560 --> 03:35:04,399
the things I asked for just for clarity

4501
03:35:01,680 --> 03:35:07,840
moving forward. So I did have a we

4502
03:35:04,399 --> 03:35:09,680
question once we have these approved. Um

4503
03:35:07,840 --> 03:35:12,399
what do you have an idea what the

4504
03:35:09,680 --> 03:35:15,680
process would be for somebody who wanted

4505
03:35:12,399 --> 03:35:18,479
to sponsor or have a name right? Um

4506
03:35:15,680 --> 03:35:21,680
would it be an RFP or how would that

4507
03:35:18,479 --> 03:35:23,520
work? Um just so that for fairness that

4508
03:35:21,680 --> 03:35:27,520
we get everybody who wants an

4509
03:35:23,520 --> 03:35:29,520
opportunity has has an opportunity.

4510
03:35:27,520 --> 03:35:30,880
» Yes. Through through the mayor. Uh good

4511
03:35:29,520 --> 03:35:34,479
question. Right now we're building out

4512
03:35:30,880 --> 03:35:36,560
the the uh procedures for that and some

4513
03:35:34,479 --> 03:35:39,120
of it is uh looking at other

4514
03:35:36,560 --> 03:35:40,880
municipalities and what's going on. So

4515
03:35:39,120 --> 03:35:43,680
there's a variety of what municipalities

4516
03:35:40,880 --> 03:35:46,880
do. There is the expression of interest

4517
03:35:43,680 --> 03:35:48,479
and there is RFPs. So we internally will

4518
03:35:46,880 --> 03:35:50,239
discuss that and then they'll determine

4519
03:35:48,479 --> 03:35:52,239
that. But the intent is to make sure

4520
03:35:50,239 --> 03:35:54,239
that it's a fair process for everyone.

4521
03:35:52,239 --> 03:35:55,760
And within the policy it does talk about

4522
03:35:54,239 --> 03:35:58,800
in time and making sure that we follow

4523
03:35:55,760 --> 03:36:00,960
the procurement process. So I I believe

4524
03:35:58,800 --> 03:36:03,120
we don't have that process done. We are

4525
03:36:00,960 --> 03:36:05,840
doing a slow walk in building that out.

4526
03:36:03,120 --> 03:36:07,680
But I do think that is the the main part

4527
03:36:05,840 --> 03:36:09,840
there is to understand what that process

4528
03:36:07,680 --> 03:36:11,840
looks like by looking at municipalities

4529
03:36:09,840 --> 03:36:13,600
that are successful in the program.

4530
03:36:11,840 --> 03:36:16,399
Thank you.

4531
03:36:13,600 --> 03:36:18,399
» Anything further?

4532
03:36:16,399 --> 03:36:21,760
Seeing none, I will call the question.

4533
03:36:18,399 --> 03:36:25,439
All in favor?

4534
03:36:21,760 --> 03:36:28,319
One opposed car.

4535
03:36:25,439 --> 03:36:30,640
Item 7.5 is the extension of B contract

4536
03:36:28,319 --> 03:36:32,080
for non-eligible blue box collection and

4537
03:36:30,640 --> 03:36:34,239
there is a staff recommendation that

4538
03:36:32,080 --> 03:36:37,200
council authorize the extension of

4539
03:36:34,239 --> 03:36:40,080
contract B-209-18

4540
03:36:37,200 --> 03:36:42,080
for non-eligible blue box collection

4541
03:36:40,080 --> 03:36:45,279
waste management for up to four months

4542
03:36:42,080 --> 03:36:48,279
from November 1st 2026 to February 28

4543
03:36:45,279 --> 03:36:48,279
2027

4544
03:36:49,600 --> 03:36:54,399
will move second by councelor Brisco

4545
03:36:52,080 --> 03:36:57,760
discussion

4546
03:36:54,399 --> 03:36:59,520
see none I'll fail post if any that you

4547
03:36:57,760 --> 03:37:02,560
have.

4548
03:36:59,520 --> 03:37:04,319
» Item 7.6 Six is the award of an RFP and

4549
03:37:02,560 --> 03:37:07,880
there's a stack recommendation that the

4550
03:37:04,319 --> 03:37:07,880
proposal RFP-2026-13

4551
03:37:07,920 --> 03:37:13,040
for the processing for single stream and

4552
03:37:10,080 --> 03:37:14,960
blue bos material non-eligible sources

4553
03:37:13,040 --> 03:37:17,439
be awarded to bluewater recycling

4554
03:37:14,960 --> 03:37:19,520
association for the quoted amount of

4555
03:37:17,439 --> 03:37:22,319
$54,918

4556
03:37:19,520 --> 03:37:23,840
in keeping with that the mayor clerk or

4557
03:37:22,319 --> 03:37:25,840
their respective delegates authorized

4558
03:37:23,840 --> 03:37:27,520
sign the contract agreement and that the

4559
03:37:25,840 --> 03:37:29,120
director of infrastructure services

4560
03:37:27,520 --> 03:37:31,359
authorized to extend the contract

4561
03:37:29,120 --> 03:37:33,040
directly two addition one-year terms

4562
03:37:31,359 --> 03:37:35,200
subject to successful contract

4563
03:37:33,040 --> 03:37:36,960
performance and consumer price index

4564
03:37:35,200 --> 03:37:39,359
increases

4565
03:37:36,960 --> 03:37:44,760
moved by counc. Thank you. Second in

4566
03:37:39,359 --> 03:37:44,760
mind councelor de discussion

4567
03:37:45,840 --> 03:37:52,640
moted I'll call the question all in

4568
03:37:48,239 --> 03:37:57,359
favor post if any that's unanimously

4569
03:37:52,640 --> 03:38:00,800
carries item 7.7 is an amendment to the

4570
03:37:57,359 --> 03:38:02,560
neighborhood area 30 kilometer per hour

4571
03:38:00,800 --> 03:38:04,720
there staff recommendation that federal

4572
03:38:02,560 --> 03:38:06,319
14 higher and lower speed limits of the

4573
03:38:04,720 --> 03:38:09,120
traffic and park feeding bylaw be

4574
03:38:06,319 --> 03:38:12,399
amended by deleting the items on the

4575
03:38:09,120 --> 03:38:14,640
agenda and that the same schedule be a

4576
03:38:12,399 --> 03:38:16,479
met by adding the following items noted

4577
03:38:14,640 --> 03:38:19,200
on the agenda and that's the pilot

4578
03:38:16,479 --> 03:38:22,800
project end date be extended to December

4579
03:38:19,200 --> 03:38:25,279
31st 207

4580
03:38:22,800 --> 03:38:29,560
for that council m second by councelor

4581
03:38:25,279 --> 03:38:29,560
hunt discussion

4582
03:38:29,760 --> 03:38:36,920
see all in favor posted unanimously

4583
03:38:33,680 --> 03:38:36,920
Thank you.

4584
03:38:37,920 --> 03:38:42,399
» Item second is the designation of 120

4585
03:38:40,560 --> 03:38:44,080
St. Vincent Street North. And there's a

4586
03:38:42,399 --> 03:38:47,120
staff recommendation that city council

4587
03:38:44,080 --> 03:38:48,800
designate 120 St. Vincent Street North

4588
03:38:47,120 --> 03:38:50,880
under the Ontario Heritage Act through

4589
03:38:48,800 --> 03:38:53,279
the passing of a bylaw pertaining to the

4590
03:38:50,880 --> 03:38:55,200
attributes noted on the agenda and that

4591
03:38:53,279 --> 03:38:57,439
the commemorative plaque be installed on

4592
03:38:55,200 --> 03:39:00,399
subject land with all cost formed by Har

4593
03:38:57,439 --> 03:39:03,399
Straer.

4594
03:39:00,399 --> 03:39:03,399
Council

4595
03:39:04,319 --> 03:39:12,479
B. Thank you. Any discussion?

4596
03:39:09,439 --> 03:39:14,960
Joy. It's a beautiful property. Amazing

4597
03:39:12,479 --> 03:39:17,520
job. Just exceptional. So, I'll call the

4598
03:39:14,960 --> 03:39:20,080
question. All in favor? Posted any

4599
03:39:17,520 --> 03:39:23,200
that's unanimously.

4600
03:39:20,080 --> 03:39:24,800
Item 7.9 the festival hydro 2026

4601
03:39:23,200 --> 03:39:27,760
financial update and there is static

4602
03:39:24,800 --> 03:39:30,399
affirmation that the festival hydro inc

4603
03:39:27,760 --> 03:39:32,640
financial results and commentary and the

4604
03:39:30,399 --> 03:39:34,479
festival hydro services inc financial

4605
03:39:32,640 --> 03:39:37,279
results and commentary commentary for

4606
03:39:34,479 --> 03:39:39,680
this period ended June 30th 2026 be

4607
03:39:37,279 --> 03:39:42,560
received for information

4608
03:39:39,680 --> 03:39:45,920
by councelor B seconded by councelor

4609
03:39:42,560 --> 03:39:49,439
any discussion

4610
03:39:45,920 --> 03:39:51,279
noneed all in favor posted today

4611
03:39:49,439 --> 03:39:53,760
unanimously. He cared.

4612
03:39:51,279 --> 03:39:56,319
» Item 710 is a request for an exemption

4613
03:39:53,760 --> 03:39:58,000
to the noise control bylaw and there is

4614
03:39:56,319 --> 03:39:59,600
staff recommendation that direction be

4615
03:39:58,000 --> 03:40:02,080
given on the noise control bylaw

4616
03:39:59,600 --> 03:40:04,239
exemption requested from Wild Brain Edge

4617
03:40:02,080 --> 03:40:06,080
Productions to Inc. from the noise

4618
03:40:04,239 --> 03:40:09,359
control bylaw for filming starting on

4619
03:40:06,080 --> 03:40:11,279
September 23rd uh through September 24th

4620
03:40:09,359 --> 03:40:12,800
from the provisions noted. And as

4621
03:40:11,279 --> 03:40:14,800
outlined, staff are looking for

4622
03:40:12,800 --> 03:40:18,439
direction on the granting of the

4623
03:40:14,800 --> 03:40:18,439
exemption or not.

4624
03:40:28,960 --> 03:40:36,399
» I'll move that be approved.

4625
03:40:32,560 --> 03:40:39,680
» Second discussion. Burbach will second.

4626
03:40:36,399 --> 03:40:42,319
Any discussion? Counc.

4627
03:40:39,680 --> 03:40:44,399
Um, thank you. I got some clarification.

4628
03:40:42,319 --> 03:40:47,920
So, when I read the report, there's

4629
03:40:44,399 --> 03:40:50,640
there's going to be no amplified sound,

4630
03:40:47,920 --> 03:40:53,680
but just like the motors of the things

4631
03:40:50,640 --> 03:40:58,880
and the people yelling and shouting and

4632
03:40:53,680 --> 03:41:02,560
hooting. I asked to this if I agree that

4633
03:40:58,880 --> 03:41:07,359
doing approach to Stratford Paul Air

4634
03:41:02,560 --> 03:41:10,800
board wanting to do it the day before

4635
03:41:07,359 --> 03:41:14,000
the evening before the actual opening of

4636
03:41:10,800 --> 03:41:15,840
so it won't be noises that you either

4637
03:41:14,000 --> 03:41:19,200
the Thursday night or Friday night the

4638
03:41:15,840 --> 03:41:21,600
Saturday or the Sunday but it would just

4639
03:41:19,200 --> 03:41:24,080
the idea is to make sure that residents

4640
03:41:21,600 --> 03:41:25,840
you knew that there was no fair going on

4641
03:41:24,080 --> 03:41:29,399
on Wednesday, that's when they're hoping

4642
03:41:25,840 --> 03:41:29,399
to do the sheep.

4643
03:41:31,600 --> 03:41:35,920
» Through the mayor, if I could just add

4644
03:41:32,960 --> 03:41:39,200
to that, that is correct. And the actual

4645
03:41:35,920 --> 03:41:41,200
um location manager has indicated that

4646
03:41:39,200 --> 03:41:43,520
they would only be filmed until 2:30.

4647
03:41:41,200 --> 03:41:46,960
So, there's not any loud, it's more just

4648
03:41:43,520 --> 03:41:48,640
actors talking versus anything else. And

4649
03:41:46,960 --> 03:41:50,239
as the mayor mentioned, that is correct.

4650
03:41:48,640 --> 03:41:52,239
But they've actually shrunk it and they

4651
03:41:50,239 --> 03:41:53,920
are going to go to the residents and

4652
03:41:52,239 --> 03:41:56,479
talk. So if there is any residents that

4653
03:41:53,920 --> 03:41:59,120
are concerned, they do have mitigating

4654
03:41:56,479 --> 03:42:01,520
um

4655
03:41:59,120 --> 03:42:04,760
items in place to to support residents

4656
03:42:01,520 --> 03:42:04,760
if needed

4657
03:42:06,080 --> 03:42:10,760
» And working with use.

4658
03:42:12,160 --> 03:42:16,160
Questions on this item that's been moved

4659
03:42:14,080 --> 03:42:19,439
and seconded seeing none I will call the

4660
03:42:16,160 --> 03:42:22,479
question. All favored. Oppose. If any

4661
03:42:19,439 --> 03:42:24,239
that's unanimously carried it 7-Eleven

4662
03:42:22,479 --> 03:42:25,600
is a resignation from the strappers of

4663
03:42:24,239 --> 03:42:27,120
the world advisory committee and there's

4664
03:42:25,600 --> 03:42:28,640
a motion that the resignation of

4665
03:42:27,120 --> 03:42:30,000
Jennifer Mitchell from the strappers of

4666
03:42:28,640 --> 03:42:31,520
the world advisory committee be

4667
03:42:30,000 --> 03:42:33,840
accepted.

4668
03:42:31,520 --> 03:42:35,680
» Moved by

4669
03:42:33,840 --> 03:42:38,800
Council

4670
03:42:35,680 --> 03:42:40,560
Niger. Any discussion?

4671
03:42:38,800 --> 03:42:43,840
Seeing not I'll call a question. All in

4672
03:42:40,560 --> 03:42:46,239
favor? Most any

4673
03:42:43,840 --> 03:42:50,720
car in hoping that a letter of

4674
03:42:46,239 --> 03:42:53,520
acknowledgement uh what we said this

4675
03:42:50,720 --> 03:42:55,680
work.

4676
03:42:53,520 --> 03:42:57,439
Item 712 is a proclamation and there is

4677
03:42:55,680 --> 03:43:00,479
a motion that Statford City Council

4678
03:42:57,439 --> 03:43:03,279
hereby proclaim September 21st to 27th,

4679
03:43:00,479 --> 03:43:04,640
2026 as rail safety week in the city of

4680
03:43:03,279 --> 03:43:07,200
Stratford to raise the critical

4681
03:43:04,640 --> 03:43:08,640
awareness of rail safety, save lives and

4682
03:43:07,200 --> 03:43:11,680
prevent injuries in communities

4683
03:43:08,640 --> 03:43:14,000
including the city of Stratford. Thank

4684
03:43:11,680 --> 03:43:19,279
for that item moved by councelor Hunter.

4685
03:43:14,000 --> 03:43:22,080
Thank you. Second by ser any discussion

4686
03:43:19,279 --> 03:43:25,120
noted all in favor posting that's

4687
03:43:22,080 --> 03:43:26,479
unanimously carried item 713 is a

4688
03:43:25,120 --> 03:43:28,399
proclamation request and there is a

4689
03:43:26,479 --> 03:43:32,319
motion that Straford City Council hereby

4690
03:43:28,399 --> 03:43:34,479
proclaims October 21st 2026 as the 26th

4691
03:43:32,319 --> 03:43:36,479
annual child care worker and early

4692
03:43:34,479 --> 03:43:38,479
childhood educator appreciation day in

4693
03:43:36,479 --> 03:43:40,160
the city of Straford in recognition of

4694
03:43:38,479 --> 03:43:42,080
the commitment skills and hard work of

4695
03:43:40,160 --> 03:43:44,479
ECE and staff who work with young

4696
03:43:42,080 --> 03:43:46,479
children in our community thanks

4697
03:43:44,479 --> 03:43:48,080
moved by the council and seconded by

4698
03:43:46,479 --> 03:43:50,319
counc

4699
03:43:48,080 --> 03:43:52,160
discussion counc

4700
03:43:50,319 --> 03:43:54,560
» I just wanted to take an opportunity to

4701
03:43:52,160 --> 03:43:56,560
thank all of our amazing childcare

4702
03:43:54,560 --> 03:43:58,640
providers we see in our community I was

4703
03:43:56,560 --> 03:44:01,040
one of many parents this last week

4704
03:43:58,640 --> 03:44:03,920
having their first kindergartener ever

4705
03:44:01,040 --> 03:44:05,760
and it didn't matter which program we

4706
03:44:03,920 --> 03:44:07,279
had attended all of us were chatting

4707
03:44:05,760 --> 03:44:08,720
about whether they went to Avon co-op

4708
03:44:07,279 --> 03:44:11,840
which has provided my children with an

4709
03:44:08,720 --> 03:44:13,840
incredible start or circa or and halfway

4710
03:44:11,840 --> 03:44:15,600
we all felt they were just giving off to

4711
03:44:13,840 --> 03:44:17,840
an incredible start. They all walked in,

4712
03:44:15,600 --> 03:44:19,439
perhaps teary, but very confident. Um,

4713
03:44:17,840 --> 03:44:22,479
and it's thanks to all of those

4714
03:44:19,439 --> 03:44:24,080
educators that we trust with our most

4715
03:44:22,479 --> 03:44:26,239
precious little ones. [clears throat]

4716
03:44:24,080 --> 03:44:28,160
Um, but it allows us to be part of our

4717
03:44:26,239 --> 03:44:29,840
community in this capacity and others.

4718
03:44:28,160 --> 03:44:31,520
And I wouldn't be here without them and

4719
03:44:29,840 --> 03:44:33,040
just wanted to thank them for the

4720
03:44:31,520 --> 03:44:34,560
service they give to my family and our

4721
03:44:33,040 --> 03:44:36,239
community and the incredible service

4722
03:44:34,560 --> 03:44:38,640
they're giving at.

4723
03:44:36,239 --> 03:44:40,160
» Thank

4724
03:44:38,640 --> 03:44:42,080
you. Well, I can't say it any better

4725
03:44:40,160 --> 03:44:45,760
than that. But I also wanted to mention

4726
03:44:42,080 --> 03:44:49,040
that um social services does have a um

4727
03:44:45,760 --> 03:44:50,640
survey right now um about child care. So

4728
03:44:49,040 --> 03:44:53,120
if anybody's still with us, watch them

4729
03:44:50,640 --> 03:44:55,199
on the thing. Um there is a survey to be

4730
03:44:53,120 --> 03:44:58,600
filled out to to find out more about

4731
03:44:55,199 --> 03:44:58,600
childare needs.

4732
03:44:59,199 --> 03:45:05,880
Any further on that item

4733
03:45:01,680 --> 03:45:05,880
called the question on that? Yes.

4734
03:45:08,000 --> 03:45:11,399
» No, not yet.

4735
03:45:12,560 --> 03:45:17,239
» So, it's been moved and second question

4736
03:45:18,720 --> 03:45:22,359
if the act

4737
03:45:25,680 --> 03:45:33,279
say any better or we went through

4738
03:45:28,560 --> 03:45:34,800
session human resources. Next item. 714

4739
03:45:33,279 --> 03:45:36,160
is another proclamation. There's a

4740
03:45:34,800 --> 03:45:39,359
motion that Stratford City Council

4741
03:45:36,160 --> 03:45:40,880
hereby proclaim September 28th, 2026 as

4742
03:45:39,359 --> 03:45:42,479
British home trial day of the city of

4743
03:45:40,880 --> 03:45:45,600
Stratford.

4744
03:45:42,479 --> 03:45:49,120
» Move by. Thank you, Councelor Burbach.

4745
03:45:45,600 --> 03:45:51,840
Second of Bristol. Any comments or

4746
03:45:49,120 --> 03:45:56,479
questions on this item? Seeing none, all

4747
03:45:51,840 --> 03:45:59,920
in favor of any unanimous car. So

4748
03:45:56,479 --> 03:46:02,560
worship uh before beginning with item 8

4749
03:45:59,920 --> 03:46:03,840
um we are approaching 11 o'clock. So I'm

4750
03:46:02,560 --> 03:46:05,920
wondering if we could do a motion to

4751
03:46:03,840 --> 03:46:08,319
extend the meeting by 30 minute

4752
03:46:05,920 --> 03:46:11,680
increment to 11:30 and then we get

4753
03:46:08,319 --> 03:46:13,439
closer to 11:30 we'll do another

4754
03:46:11,680 --> 03:46:15,040
thank you

4755
03:46:13,439 --> 03:46:17,439
second

4756
03:46:15,040 --> 03:46:20,560
favor

4757
03:46:17,439 --> 03:46:23,760
that's unanimous and we go on to item

4758
03:46:20,560 --> 03:46:25,840
8.1. So item eight is business for three

4759
03:46:23,760 --> 03:46:28,560
notes have been given and item 3.1 is a

4760
03:46:25,840 --> 03:46:32,000
notice of motion from councelor B and a

4761
03:46:28,560 --> 03:46:32,560
motion is listed on the agenda.

4762
03:46:32,000 --> 03:46:34,399
Go ahead.

4763
03:46:32,560 --> 03:46:35,840
» Thank you to the mayor. Um first of all

4764
03:46:34,399 --> 03:46:37,120
I just wanted to say thank you to our

4765
03:46:35,840 --> 03:46:39,120
staff and the social services

4766
03:46:37,120 --> 03:46:42,560
department. They continually have this

4767
03:46:39,120 --> 03:46:44,319
topic already top of mind. And um a

4768
03:46:42,560 --> 03:46:46,560
brief overview from their departments is

4769
03:46:44,319 --> 03:46:48,239
over the past several years through the

4770
03:46:46,560 --> 03:46:51,279
social services department in the city

4771
03:46:48,239 --> 03:46:53,279
of Stratford, the principal health has

4772
03:46:51,279 --> 03:46:55,279
been intentionally embedded into program

4773
03:46:53,279 --> 03:46:56,800
design and service delivery.

4774
03:46:55,279 --> 03:46:59,040
Discretionary benefits have been

4775
03:46:56,800 --> 03:47:00,720
expanded. Partnerships with community

4776
03:46:59,040 --> 03:47:03,359
organizers have been strengthened to

4777
03:47:00,720 --> 03:47:05,359
improve access to healthy food and

4778
03:47:03,359 --> 03:47:06,960
grocery supports have been provided and

4779
03:47:05,359 --> 03:47:08,399
barriers such as transportation have

4780
03:47:06,960 --> 03:47:09,920
also been addressed. So these

4781
03:47:08,399 --> 03:47:11,520
initiatives are already making a

4782
03:47:09,920 --> 03:47:13,520
difference for many residents in our

4783
03:47:11,520 --> 03:47:16,080
community. So my motion is not to take

4784
03:47:13,520 --> 03:47:18,960
away from that or to reflect in any way

4785
03:47:16,080 --> 03:47:20,319
on on their work they are doing. main

4786
03:47:18,960 --> 03:47:22,640
reason that I would like to move this

4787
03:47:20,319 --> 03:47:24,880
motion forward is to keep this issue top

4788
03:47:22,640 --> 03:47:28,479
of mind with our provincial partners

4789
03:47:24,880 --> 03:47:30,640
especially in regards to the um wages

4790
03:47:28,479 --> 03:47:32,479
that people need to live have unofficial

4791
03:47:30,640 --> 03:47:36,000
lives that are on effective assistance.

4792
03:47:32,479 --> 03:47:37,920
So um and then secondly our our Perth

4793
03:47:36,000 --> 03:47:39,680
public health unit is just it's an asset

4794
03:47:37,920 --> 03:47:42,080
in our community and I wanted to show

4795
03:47:39,680 --> 03:47:43,840
our support as a council for all of the

4796
03:47:42,080 --> 03:47:47,600
work that they've put into this. So for

4797
03:47:43,840 --> 03:47:50,720
those two reasons why I've made that

4798
03:47:47,600 --> 03:47:53,120
» Council here moving that yes thank you

4799
03:47:50,720 --> 03:47:55,920
second counc

4800
03:47:53,120 --> 03:47:57,840
any discussion

4801
03:47:55,920 --> 03:48:01,840
see none I will call the question all in

4802
03:47:57,840 --> 03:48:03,520
favor post any unanimously carried thank

4803
03:48:01,840 --> 03:48:06,160
you for that

4804
03:48:03,520 --> 03:48:08,479
» Worship item 82 is a not motion from

4805
03:48:06,160 --> 03:48:10,080
councelor burbach so we'd be looking for

4806
03:48:08,479 --> 03:48:11,920
an overview from councelor burbach

4807
03:48:10,080 --> 03:48:14,160
followed by a motion to hear the

4808
03:48:11,920 --> 03:48:15,120
delegation

4809
03:48:14,160 --> 03:48:18,239
Go ahead.

4810
03:48:15,120 --> 03:48:21,120
» Very much. I think uh this motion was

4811
03:48:18,239 --> 03:48:23,840
pretty self-explanatory. We um we hear a

4812
03:48:21,120 --> 03:48:27,439
lot about data centers and AI data

4813
03:48:23,840 --> 03:48:31,199
centers in the news. Um the world is

4814
03:48:27,439 --> 03:48:32,880
rapidly changing and um there's both

4815
03:48:31,199 --> 03:48:35,760
opportunities with that and there's

4816
03:48:32,880 --> 03:48:39,279
risks. So, um, the intention of my

4817
03:48:35,760 --> 03:48:43,520
motion is to give council or to give

4818
03:48:39,279 --> 03:48:46,080
Stratford a better idea of what right

4819
03:48:43,520 --> 03:48:50,960
size and what the right type of projects

4820
03:48:46,080 --> 03:48:52,720
could be, what types of, um, again risks

4821
03:48:50,960 --> 03:48:55,359
are we looking at and what type of

4822
03:48:52,720 --> 03:48:59,120
opportunities. So, um, we know our

4823
03:48:55,359 --> 03:49:00,880
resources are needed and

4824
03:48:59,120 --> 03:49:02,800
since Jimmy has been brought up a few

4825
03:49:00,880 --> 03:49:06,000
times tonight, I must bring it up again.

4826
03:49:02,800 --> 03:49:09,120
When when that proposal came forward,

4827
03:49:06,000 --> 03:49:11,120
uh, it was brought to the community and

4828
03:49:09,120 --> 03:49:14,960
it it was felt that it wasn't the right

4829
03:49:11,120 --> 03:49:17,279
size. So, it it did cause a lot of

4830
03:49:14,960 --> 03:49:19,520
anxiety and consternation.

4831
03:49:17,279 --> 03:49:21,840
Is there a way that we could avoid that

4832
03:49:19,520 --> 03:49:24,720
by putting out putting some parameters

4833
03:49:21,840 --> 03:49:28,160
and a framework around what is the right

4834
03:49:24,720 --> 03:49:32,800
size of fit for these type of projects

4835
03:49:28,160 --> 03:49:35,600
in Stratford. So it's not necessarily to

4836
03:49:32,800 --> 03:49:37,600
block all opportunities but it is

4837
03:49:35,600 --> 03:49:39,680
actually to

4838
03:49:37,600 --> 03:49:42,960
give better direction to anybody who

4839
03:49:39,680 --> 03:49:45,359
would like to bring some investment here

4840
03:49:42,960 --> 03:49:47,199
to say this is the this is the right

4841
03:49:45,359 --> 03:49:49,120
size. the parameters. These are the

4842
03:49:47,199 --> 03:49:51,439
things that we're concerned about like

4843
03:49:49,120 --> 03:49:53,279
how much electricity are we going to

4844
03:49:51,439 --> 03:49:56,319
need, how much water are we going to

4845
03:49:53,279 --> 03:49:58,720
need, how much land use, what are the

4846
03:49:56,319 --> 03:50:01,040
overall benefits for our community. And

4847
03:49:58,720 --> 03:50:03,520
I think thinking that through before

4848
03:50:01,040 --> 03:50:06,319
proposals arrive out of the door is

4849
03:50:03,520 --> 03:50:08,720
probably a really good idea. Um, and

4850
03:50:06,319 --> 03:50:12,479
adding that into the official plan um

4851
03:50:08,720 --> 03:50:14,960
would be a piece of that. So, uh, I will

4852
03:50:12,479 --> 03:50:16,880
be I guess I can make a motion now, but

4853
03:50:14,960 --> 03:50:19,359
I would like to make a slight amendment

4854
03:50:16,880 --> 03:50:21,279
to it. Um, I'm just going to strike out

4855
03:50:19,359 --> 03:50:22,960
the very first sentence that says

4856
03:50:21,279 --> 03:50:24,880
whereas the province of Ontario has not

4857
03:50:22,960 --> 03:50:26,239
established a dedicated regatory or

4858
03:50:24,880 --> 03:50:28,239
planning framework for data center

4859
03:50:26,239 --> 03:50:32,080
development. When I wrote this motion,

4860
03:50:28,239 --> 03:50:34,000
they have not um they do have a playbook

4861
03:50:32,080 --> 03:50:36,800
that they've made. It's not exactly a

4862
03:50:34,000 --> 03:50:38,960
policy yet and they did some consulting

4863
03:50:36,800 --> 03:50:41,920
on that which is not finished but it's a

4864
03:50:38,960 --> 03:50:44,640
very broad framework. Uh it has some

4865
03:50:41,920 --> 03:50:47,120
good stuff in it that uh electricity

4866
03:50:44,640 --> 03:50:48,479
pricing and and things that are

4867
03:50:47,120 --> 03:50:51,279
hopefully going to protect our

4868
03:50:48,479 --> 03:50:55,680
communities but it doesn't go nearly far

4869
03:50:51,279 --> 03:51:01,199
enough in my opinion to protect us from

4870
03:50:55,680 --> 03:51:03,600
some of the risks. So um with that

4871
03:51:01,199 --> 03:51:05,920
council bur perhaps we could hear from

4872
03:51:03,600 --> 03:51:07,680
the delegation first so I get into the

4873
03:51:05,920 --> 03:51:10,239
the motion

4874
03:51:07,680 --> 03:51:11,120
if justifies that way.

4875
03:51:10,239 --> 03:51:14,880
» Okay.

4876
03:51:11,120 --> 03:51:18,479
» So I I to

4877
03:51:14,880 --> 03:51:20,160
have a motion to hear.

4878
03:51:18,479 --> 03:51:22,239
So as outlined on the agenda there is a

4879
03:51:20,160 --> 03:51:24,000
vote that Sue Bailey Felicity Setcliff

4880
03:51:22,239 --> 03:51:25,840
and Sheila Clark of the Canadian

4881
03:51:24,000 --> 03:51:30,080
Federation of University Women Statford

4882
03:51:25,840 --> 03:51:32,479
be her by second by

4883
03:51:30,080 --> 03:51:34,479
all in favor

4884
03:51:32,479 --> 03:51:39,399
that's unanimously carried. Thank you

4885
03:51:34,479 --> 03:51:39,399
very much the waiting so long.

4886
03:51:56,960 --> 03:52:05,120
Welcome to everybody.

4887
03:52:01,279 --> 03:52:07,840
» Mayor Ryma, counselors, members of

4888
03:52:05,120 --> 03:52:10,640
staff, and those in attendance. Thank

4889
03:52:07,840 --> 03:52:13,840
you for this opportunity to speak. I'm

4890
03:52:10,640 --> 03:52:16,720
Sue Bailey, and I'm here

4891
03:52:13,840 --> 03:52:20,160
with Sheila Bart.

4892
03:52:16,720 --> 03:52:22,720
CFW Straford and I will speak to what we

4893
03:52:20,160 --> 03:52:27,359
have prepared together.

4894
03:52:22,720 --> 03:52:30,160
Stra as CFW urgently request that

4895
03:52:27,359 --> 03:52:33,359
Stratford City Council put guidelines in

4896
03:52:30,160 --> 03:52:36,560
place around any development of data

4897
03:52:33,359 --> 03:52:39,840
centers in our city. Ontario is

4898
03:52:36,560 --> 03:52:43,120
experiencing rapid growth in demand for

4899
03:52:39,840 --> 03:52:46,239
data center development primarily from

4900
03:52:43,120 --> 03:52:48,800
large multinational corporations.

4901
03:52:46,239 --> 03:52:52,000
However, large language models data

4902
03:52:48,800 --> 03:52:55,520
centers create unsustainable demands for

4903
03:52:52,000 --> 03:52:58,399
water and energy take valuable farmland

4904
03:52:55,520 --> 03:53:01,359
out of production and create very good

4905
03:52:58,399 --> 03:53:04,880
jobs. While operating, they produce

4906
03:53:01,359 --> 03:53:08,080
sound light and air pollution on a large

4907
03:53:04,880 --> 03:53:10,800
scale. It is important that Straford

4908
03:53:08,080 --> 03:53:13,199
join with many municipalities

4909
03:53:10,800 --> 03:53:16,720
sounded the alarm over the potential

4910
03:53:13,199 --> 03:53:20,800
damages to our environment posed on

4911
03:53:16,720 --> 03:53:23,359
large scale data centers. CFW is

4912
03:53:20,800 --> 03:53:26,479
concerned that council may be rushed

4913
03:53:23,359 --> 03:53:29,840
into decision making regarding the large

4914
03:53:26,479 --> 03:53:33,600
scale data center in the absence of firm

4915
03:53:29,840 --> 03:53:36,319
guidelines around such decisions. We

4916
03:53:33,600 --> 03:53:39,359
urged city council to include guidelines

4917
03:53:36,319 --> 03:53:41,840
for data centers to begin our updated

4918
03:53:39,359 --> 03:53:44,640
official plan so that all potential

4919
03:53:41,840 --> 03:53:47,680
developers must follow the same terms

4920
03:53:44,640 --> 03:53:50,960
and conditions and city council will

4921
03:53:47,680 --> 03:53:54,160
follow the same transparent process

4922
03:53:50,960 --> 03:53:56,960
before approving any dam center. Many

4923
03:53:54,160 --> 03:53:59,760
communities and organizations including

4924
03:53:56,960 --> 03:54:03,520
the council of Canadians have called for

4925
03:53:59,760 --> 03:54:07,120
a moratorum on development of hyperscale

4926
03:54:03,520 --> 03:54:10,239
artificial intelligent staff centers and

4927
03:54:07,120 --> 03:54:13,120
their associated infrastructure until

4928
03:54:10,239 --> 03:54:16,399
the full impacts are known to the

4929
03:54:13,120 --> 03:54:18,800
public. Missaga is one of them. At

4930
03:54:16,399 --> 03:54:22,560
present there are there are major

4931
03:54:18,800 --> 03:54:25,120
concern areas of concern. Power demands

4932
03:54:22,560 --> 03:54:28,160
from proposed data centers are

4933
03:54:25,120 --> 03:54:31,120
significant which may strain the grid

4934
03:54:28,160 --> 03:54:33,840
and peak for supply and deepen fos

4935
03:54:31,120 --> 03:54:36,560
fossil fuel or nuclear dependence in

4936
03:54:33,840 --> 03:54:39,680
Ontario. Energy production and

4937
03:54:36,560 --> 03:54:42,319
consumption will marketly increase which

4938
03:54:39,680 --> 03:54:45,120
has negative implications for the

4939
03:54:42,319 --> 03:54:48,640
environment, public health and climate

4940
03:54:45,120 --> 03:54:52,000
change. data centers and any associated

4941
03:54:48,640 --> 03:54:55,120
energy production and storage require

4942
03:54:52,000 --> 03:54:58,239
large volumes of water. Even if a loop

4943
03:54:55,120 --> 03:55:00,640
system of water cooling is used, that

4944
03:54:58,239 --> 03:55:04,399
requires large amounts of water to begin

4945
03:55:00,640 --> 03:55:07,279
with and has to have access to backup

4946
03:55:04,399 --> 03:55:10,160
water. If and when the cooling system

4947
03:55:07,279 --> 03:55:12,880
fails, if a large amount of water is

4948
03:55:10,160 --> 03:55:15,760
required, whose needs will come first?

4949
03:55:12,880 --> 03:55:18,239
Community or the data center? In

4950
03:55:15,760 --> 03:55:21,120
addition, the loop systems require

4951
03:55:18,239 --> 03:55:23,359
additional energy which may escalate

4952
03:55:21,120 --> 03:55:26,399
fossil fuel emissions,

4953
03:55:23,359 --> 03:55:28,640
something we can little afford.

4954
03:55:26,399 --> 03:55:31,199
Research on existing data centers

4955
03:55:28,640 --> 03:55:34,399
indicates that they reduce air and water

4956
03:55:31,199 --> 03:55:36,319
quality, increase heat exposure and

4957
03:55:34,399 --> 03:55:39,279
carbon [clears throat] emissions, cause

4958
03:55:36,319 --> 03:55:42,640
noise pollution and result in the loss

4959
03:55:39,279 --> 03:55:45,520
of public lands, natural spaces and

4960
03:55:42,640 --> 03:55:47,439
agriculture areas.

4961
03:55:45,520 --> 03:55:50,479
They have been made to flush large

4962
03:55:47,439 --> 03:55:53,920
quantities of contaminated water into

4963
03:55:50,479 --> 03:55:56,800
water sources. One proposed center in

4964
03:55:53,920 --> 03:55:59,600
Golds, Alberta will require the same

4965
03:55:56,800 --> 03:56:03,680
amount of energy as the entire city of

4966
03:55:59,600 --> 03:56:06,800
Ed. Another in Wonder Valley will emit

4967
03:56:03,680 --> 03:56:10,160
over 25 million tons of greenhouse

4968
03:56:06,800 --> 03:56:14,160
gases, reversing all the progress made

4969
03:56:10,160 --> 03:56:16,479
in Alberta since 2015. Our provincial

4970
03:56:14,160 --> 03:56:19,359
government has recently written a data

4971
03:56:16,479 --> 03:56:21,760
center playbook to manage data center

4972
03:56:19,359 --> 03:56:24,720
development. We would like to see more

4973
03:56:21,760 --> 03:56:27,520
clarity around the issues of companies

4974
03:56:24,720 --> 03:56:30,479
providing their own electricity and

4975
03:56:27,520 --> 03:56:33,359
plans when systems fail. There's very

4976
03:56:30,479 --> 03:56:35,199
little in the data center playbook about

4977
03:56:33,359 --> 03:56:38,319
the environment.

4978
03:56:35,199 --> 03:56:42,239
In the face of this situation, Straford

4979
03:56:38,319 --> 03:56:45,760
CFPW supports councilor Burbach's motion

4980
03:56:42,239 --> 03:56:48,880
to direct staff to prepare a report

4981
03:56:45,760 --> 03:56:52,720
including all relevant information on

4982
03:56:48,880 --> 03:56:55,359
data centers and to outline and analyze

4983
03:56:52,720 --> 03:56:57,760
potential actions. This will enable

4984
03:56:55,359 --> 03:57:00,640
council to make good decisions around

4985
03:56:57,760 --> 03:57:03,439
any proposed data centers and also to

4986
03:57:00,640 --> 03:57:04,799
include appropriate guidelines in our

4987
03:57:03,439 --> 03:57:05,040
official plan.

4988
03:57:04,799 --> 03:57:07,760
» [clears throat]

4989
03:57:05,040 --> 03:57:11,040
» You can learn more about these issues

4990
03:57:07,760 --> 03:57:13,680
issues from many sources including the

4991
03:57:11,040 --> 03:57:17,640
Council of Canadians. Thank you very

4992
03:57:13,680 --> 03:57:17,640
much for your attention.

4993
03:57:20,080 --> 03:57:25,920
Council

4994
03:57:21,680 --> 03:57:27,439
» Uh the mayor and possibly for

4995
03:57:25,920 --> 03:57:31,600
director.

4996
03:57:27,439 --> 03:57:34,560
uh are is is it reasonable to come up

4997
03:57:31,600 --> 03:57:37,279
with a framework in relationship to our

4998
03:57:34,560 --> 03:57:39,760
official plan and integrate it in there

4999
03:57:37,279 --> 03:57:43,120
with what is happening around data

5000
03:57:39,760 --> 03:57:44,960
centers. Are you seeing this happening

5001
03:57:43,120 --> 03:57:47,120
in municipalities

5002
03:57:44,960 --> 03:57:50,000
particularly at this size which you know

5003
03:57:47,120 --> 03:57:52,720
I I don't see that hyperscalers are

5004
03:57:50,000 --> 03:57:55,120
particularly going to be interested in

5005
03:57:52,720 --> 03:57:58,880
this space we don't have enough land uh

5006
03:57:55,120 --> 03:58:02,479
and as we found out uh it's you know it

5007
03:57:58,880 --> 03:58:05,760
would heat up amount of our already um

5008
03:58:02,479 --> 03:58:07,520
challenged land use policies fund uh

5009
03:58:05,760 --> 03:58:11,680
could you speak to that

5010
03:58:07,520 --> 03:58:14,560
» Director viewership So the planet

5011
03:58:11,680 --> 03:58:16,720
community is actively monitoring what's

5012
03:58:14,560 --> 03:58:19,120
happening across North America. It's

5013
03:58:16,720 --> 03:58:20,800
it's evolving on a daily basis. We're

5014
03:58:19,120 --> 03:58:22,880
we're certainly monitoring and

5015
03:58:20,800 --> 03:58:24,479
irrespective if if council were to give

5016
03:58:22,880 --> 03:58:26,880
direction or not. It's not to say that

5017
03:58:24,479 --> 03:58:29,040
planners are are talking about this

5018
03:58:26,880 --> 03:58:32,640
actively. So it's something we are

5019
03:58:29,040 --> 03:58:34,239
paying attention to. Uh I think every

5020
03:58:32,640 --> 03:58:36,560
week there's another municipality that's

5021
03:58:34,239 --> 03:58:38,000
taking another step etc. We are at an

5022
03:58:36,560 --> 03:58:42,880
opportune time where we are working on

5023
03:58:38,000 --> 03:58:44,960
our official plan and we um can

5024
03:58:42,880 --> 03:58:47,600
put forth some recommendations as far as

5025
03:58:44,960 --> 03:58:49,840
that process um is kind of deemed

5026
03:58:47,600 --> 03:58:51,840
appropriate. Now it it does remain to be

5027
03:58:49,840 --> 03:58:55,120
seen what the province ultimately comes

5028
03:58:51,840 --> 03:58:56,960
out with with the final um playbook. I

5029
03:58:55,120 --> 03:58:59,840
believe that the playbook is largely

5030
03:58:56,960 --> 03:59:02,960
focusing on the electricity and the in

5031
03:58:59,840 --> 03:59:05,600
the um from that perspective for that

5032
03:59:02,960 --> 03:59:07,840
component. Um but municipalities will

5033
03:59:05,600 --> 03:59:09,920
still largely be left in charge of land

5034
03:59:07,840 --> 03:59:12,800
use planning and infrastructure and

5035
03:59:09,920 --> 03:59:15,840
servicing. So um it now is an

5036
03:59:12,800 --> 03:59:17,680
opportunity time to look at at it but

5037
03:59:15,840 --> 03:59:19,520
it's evolving daily and what the

5038
03:59:17,680 --> 03:59:22,960
province comes out with what they are

5039
03:59:19,520 --> 03:59:24,479
working on. um we could work on

5040
03:59:22,960 --> 03:59:25,760
something in the province come out with

5041
03:59:24,479 --> 03:59:28,319
something other through the provincial

5042
03:59:25,760 --> 03:59:31,120
planning state or something else which

5043
03:59:28,319 --> 03:59:33,840
may have some of the work changed either

5044
03:59:31,120 --> 03:59:36,239
to what extent I don't know but um right

5045
03:59:33,840 --> 03:59:39,520
now it's it's it's not to say that we're

5046
03:59:36,239 --> 03:59:43,520
uh we're not looking at if if council

5047
03:59:39,520 --> 03:59:46,640
doesn't we we are paying attention it's

5048
03:59:43,520 --> 03:59:48,960
consuming the associations that plans to

5049
03:59:46,640 --> 03:59:52,720
um so that

5050
03:59:48,960 --> 03:59:55,279
» Yeah follow And just a a followup

5051
03:59:52,720 --> 03:59:58,319
regarding that. Uh obviously one of the

5052
03:59:55,279 --> 04:00:01,199
other aspects of this is that sovereign

5053
03:59:58,319 --> 04:00:05,040
he comes up quite a bit. We are finding

5054
04:00:01,199 --> 04:00:09,520
ourselves in a in a bit of a tip with

5055
04:00:05,040 --> 04:00:11,600
our uh American friends regarding and

5056
04:00:09,520 --> 04:00:14,880
they seem to they control a lot of our

5057
04:00:11,600 --> 04:00:17,680
data. Uh so you know I'm I'm cognizant

5058
04:00:14,880 --> 04:00:21,040
that also that silent thing where we we

5059
04:00:17,680 --> 04:00:23,600
do not want to uh basically be dependent

5060
04:00:21,040 --> 04:00:27,040
entirely on the United States for

5061
04:00:23,600 --> 04:00:29,520
securing our data. Uh is that also being

5062
04:00:27,040 --> 04:00:32,000
worked out in relationship to is that

5063
04:00:29,520 --> 04:00:35,279
informing this

5064
04:00:32,000 --> 04:00:37,040
I mean from I think from the

5065
04:00:35,279 --> 04:00:40,000
correct

5066
04:00:37,040 --> 04:00:42,640
» Or go ahead thank you Mr. Mayor. Uh

5067
04:00:40,000 --> 04:00:44,640
yeah, you just uh mentioned the federal

5068
04:00:42,640 --> 04:00:48,319
government's also looking at this fall.

5069
04:00:44,640 --> 04:00:50,640
Uh there are already um many of the big

5070
04:00:48,319 --> 04:00:52,479
uh companies cloud computers, cloud

5071
04:00:50,640 --> 04:00:55,199
hosting, but there are already debt

5072
04:00:52,479 --> 04:00:57,520
centers in Canada which which for

5073
04:00:55,199 --> 04:00:59,279
example the city of Stratford will not

5074
04:00:57,520 --> 04:01:00,720
allow everybody to be hosted anywhere

5075
04:00:59,279 --> 04:01:03,279
but Canada at this point in time and

5076
04:01:00,720 --> 04:01:06,479
there's opportunities to do that. Um but

5077
04:01:03,279 --> 04:01:08,640
as that storage capacity goes as AR

5078
04:01:06,479 --> 04:01:10,800
bigger certainly that need for expansion

5079
04:01:08,640 --> 04:01:12,399
is important and right so I don't do is

5080
04:01:10,800 --> 04:01:16,399
a big important piece of what's

5081
04:01:12,399 --> 04:01:18,160
happening um in Canada right now to

5082
04:01:16,399 --> 04:01:20,720
cyber security when it comes to

5083
04:01:18,160 --> 04:01:23,279
information when it comes to private

5084
04:01:20,720 --> 04:01:25,439
information DII uh so so that's a big

5085
04:01:23,279 --> 04:01:27,520
piece that that is challenging for both

5086
04:01:25,439 --> 04:01:29,359
that I think both federal and government

5087
04:01:27,520 --> 04:01:31,439
are considering it's on their policy

5088
04:01:29,359 --> 04:01:33,359
statement so I guess um there will be

5089
04:01:31,439 --> 04:01:35,279
some pieces that we put forward into

5090
04:01:33,359 --> 04:01:37,600
resolution should allow some flexibility

5091
04:01:35,279 --> 04:01:39,199
for staff to bring forward some options

5092
04:01:37,600 --> 04:01:40,640
as we move forward with the official

5093
04:01:39,199 --> 04:01:42,880
plan and as we understand what the

5094
04:01:40,640 --> 04:01:44,880
province and fed might be recommending

5095
04:01:42,880 --> 04:01:47,359
or providing guidelines around. There

5096
04:01:44,880 --> 04:01:49,439
are pieces of this that are outside of

5097
04:01:47,359 --> 04:01:52,000
the planning regime and it will be

5098
04:01:49,439 --> 04:01:53,920
council strategic decision for strategic

5099
04:01:52,000 --> 04:01:55,680
when we get into strategic planning

5100
04:01:53,920 --> 04:01:57,520
there may be some other decision around

5101
04:01:55,680 --> 04:01:59,439
that aspects as well as this moves

5102
04:01:57,520 --> 04:02:02,239
forward. Uh the other case we talked

5103
04:01:59,439 --> 04:02:05,120
internally is not only data centers as

5104
04:02:02,239 --> 04:02:08,800
well. Um what you'll see from us is is

5105
04:02:05,120 --> 04:02:10,319
more just good solid tank. Um that um

5106
04:02:08,800 --> 04:02:13,319
today

5107
04:02:10,319 --> 04:02:13,319
more

5108
04:02:14,479 --> 04:02:17,520
so

5109
04:02:16,560 --> 04:02:19,840
I see right here.

5110
04:02:17,520 --> 04:02:23,439
» Thank you. um perhaps a question to both

5111
04:02:19,840 --> 04:02:25,040
council as well as uh obviously is the

5112
04:02:23,439 --> 04:02:28,160
intentions a lot of communities have

5113
04:02:25,040 --> 04:02:30,160
gone to mortoriiums while they've worked

5114
04:02:28,160 --> 04:02:31,840
through some of these details and given

5115
04:02:30,160 --> 04:02:33,920
we've already mentioned the planning

5116
04:02:31,840 --> 04:02:35,680
statement we have marri powers we have

5117
04:02:33,920 --> 04:02:37,199
the election we have put priority

5118
04:02:35,680 --> 04:02:39,600
declarations that was like there's a lot

5119
04:02:37,199 --> 04:02:43,040
of levers above us that could supersede

5120
04:02:39,600 --> 04:02:45,359
our work unlikely given the kind of

5121
04:02:43,040 --> 04:02:47,680
limitations council m already described

5122
04:02:45,359 --> 04:02:50,239
um on what our community is but I'm

5123
04:02:47,680 --> 04:02:53,359
wondering If adding in a line to say

5124
04:02:50,239 --> 04:02:55,279
that um an amoratory wants said projects

5125
04:02:53,359 --> 04:02:57,840
until this is established provides us

5126
04:02:55,279 --> 04:02:59,600
that final layer of protection to not be

5127
04:02:57,840 --> 04:03:02,399
superseded by some sort of upper level

5128
04:02:59,600 --> 04:03:03,760
of government to allow a full wholesome

5129
04:03:02,399 --> 04:03:05,600
review because it's not something to be

5130
04:03:03,760 --> 04:03:08,560
rushed but again that may also not be

5131
04:03:05,600 --> 04:03:11,800
necessary in this context.

5132
04:03:08,560 --> 04:03:11,800
» Thank you.

5133
04:03:13,600 --> 04:03:18,000
» Yeah. So on the moratorium piece, um

5134
04:03:16,560 --> 04:03:20,160
that is something that we're cognizant

5135
04:03:18,000 --> 04:03:22,399
that the Missaga has done and I think

5136
04:03:20,160 --> 04:03:26,399
some others are looking at it. Um here

5137
04:03:22,399 --> 04:03:28,000
in Straford, we we I think he spoken to

5138
04:03:26,399 --> 04:03:30,560
we don't have any parcels of land that

5139
04:03:28,000 --> 04:03:33,840
are as large enough that we would have

5140
04:03:30,560 --> 04:03:35,359
something so large. Now now there are

5141
04:03:33,840 --> 04:03:37,920
parcels that are technically large

5142
04:03:35,359 --> 04:03:41,120
enough, but they aren't designated and

5143
04:03:37,920 --> 04:03:42,800
or zoned to allow industrial uses. So if

5144
04:03:41,120 --> 04:03:43,840
something was put forth on a person like

5145
04:03:42,800 --> 04:03:46,640
that, it would have to come to the

5146
04:03:43,840 --> 04:03:48,399
council. So um it it's not to say that

5147
04:03:46,640 --> 04:03:51,040
something is zoned and would get site

5148
04:03:48,399 --> 04:03:52,479
plan approval and and and council

5149
04:03:51,040 --> 04:03:54,399
wouldn't see it. It would be a building

5150
04:03:52,479 --> 04:03:56,080
permit. So we don't have we don't have a

5151
04:03:54,399 --> 04:03:59,120
situation or a parcel of land that's

5152
04:03:56,080 --> 04:04:02,960
appropriately zoned or size to have one

5153
04:03:59,120 --> 04:04:05,600
of these hypers scale um uh data

5154
04:04:02,960 --> 04:04:07,439
centers. So we have looked at whether

5155
04:04:05,600 --> 04:04:09,840
nature control zone by that's the

5156
04:04:07,439 --> 04:04:12,080
moratorum approach is the first draft

5157
04:04:09,840 --> 04:04:13,840
now by means that's that's countless

5158
04:04:12,080 --> 04:04:16,560
progress as to whether you want to

5159
04:04:13,840 --> 04:04:18,479
consider that as a motion um I I don't

5160
04:04:16,560 --> 04:04:21,120
know whether

5161
04:04:18,479 --> 04:04:22,640
it's necessary but but I I do want to

5162
04:04:21,120 --> 04:04:26,000
stress that that's a council decision

5163
04:04:22,640 --> 04:04:30,080
and and what type of message it um would

5164
04:04:26,000 --> 04:04:32,000
be by council putting a moratorum center

5165
04:04:30,080 --> 04:04:33,840
we as planned will be looking at it from

5166
04:04:32,000 --> 04:04:35,680
sort of a three perspective is there's

5167
04:04:33,840 --> 04:04:37,600
the social perspective, what type of

5168
04:04:35,680 --> 04:04:39,600
jobs they will be, what type of benefits

5169
04:04:37,600 --> 04:04:40,960
they bring to the community, let's look

5170
04:04:39,600 --> 04:04:43,120
at it from an economic development

5171
04:04:40,960 --> 04:04:44,960
perspective and then obviously the the

5172
04:04:43,120 --> 04:04:46,399
environment perspective. So it's not to

5173
04:04:44,960 --> 04:04:48,479
say that we are looking at it in one

5174
04:04:46,399 --> 04:04:50,000
lens. We'll be looking at it from lens

5175
04:04:48,479 --> 04:04:54,040
and that's what all municipalities and

5176
04:04:50,000 --> 04:04:54,040
planners are doing across the

5177
04:04:56,080 --> 04:04:59,920
» Mayor

5178
04:04:57,680 --> 04:05:01,840
data centers becomes a gray area right

5179
04:04:59,920 --> 04:05:04,800
now. There's nothing new. They've been

5180
04:05:01,840 --> 04:05:07,520
around the city mentioned u however

5181
04:05:04,800 --> 04:05:10,000
they're just becoming more relevant more

5182
04:05:07,520 --> 04:05:14,560
popping up in more areas because we're

5183
04:05:10,000 --> 04:05:16,080
requiring a lot more computing power. Um

5184
04:05:14,560 --> 04:05:17,520
the things with you know if we bring it

5185
04:05:16,080 --> 04:05:18,800
up on ourselves and we try to look at

5186
04:05:17,520 --> 04:05:20,399
this ourselves and come up with some

5187
04:05:18,800 --> 04:05:22,080
framework

5188
04:05:20,399 --> 04:05:24,160
as we've talked about it it's going to

5189
04:05:22,080 --> 04:05:27,439
bring the difference of pro province

5190
04:05:24,160 --> 04:05:31,120
framework federal uh framework we can

5191
04:05:27,439 --> 04:05:32,720
spend the time in it but within the IT

5192
04:05:31,120 --> 04:05:34,640
world you know you always want to kind

5193
04:05:32,720 --> 04:05:38,880
of have a best practices in place you

5194
04:05:34,640 --> 04:05:40,399
know standardizing strategy in place uh

5195
04:05:38,880 --> 04:05:42,800
from the ground up because that becomes

5196
04:05:40,399 --> 04:05:45,680
your foundation how you build the these

5197
04:05:42,800 --> 04:05:49,199
less platforms and the approvals. So I

5198
04:05:45,680 --> 04:05:51,120
would personally would suggest that we

5199
04:05:49,199 --> 04:05:54,319
wait for the provincial in the federal

5200
04:05:51,120 --> 04:05:59,399
framework and then we can if you need

5201
04:05:54,319 --> 04:05:59,399
the modified or the broad.

5202
04:06:01,120 --> 04:06:06,080
» Thank you for the mayor. Um that is the

5203
04:06:03,279 --> 04:06:08,399
same data that I have. I feel that there

5204
04:06:06,080 --> 04:06:09,920
are obvious issues around AI and data

5205
04:06:08,399 --> 04:06:12,080
centers that we would have to address

5206
04:06:09,920 --> 04:06:14,560
and we must that are serious like the

5207
04:06:12,080 --> 04:06:17,760
electricity grid just even kind of

5208
04:06:14,560 --> 04:06:19,359
structures in our city. Um my my concern

5209
04:06:17,760 --> 04:06:21,520
is not with the objective of it. It's

5210
04:06:19,359 --> 04:06:23,439
just with the timing of it. So since the

5211
04:06:21,520 --> 04:06:26,479
province like literally the consult

5212
04:06:23,439 --> 04:06:28,239
consultations just closed yesterday and

5213
04:06:26,479 --> 04:06:30,000
um they will be developing the framework

5214
04:06:28,239 --> 04:06:32,319
to address I feel like they're going to

5215
04:06:30,000 --> 04:06:34,160
address a lot of these same issues.

5216
04:06:32,319 --> 04:06:35,840
Maybe not to the degree that we hope

5217
04:06:34,160 --> 04:06:38,720
them to be and then I feel like we could

5218
04:06:35,840 --> 04:06:41,840
tweak. My concern is is it the best use

5219
04:06:38,720 --> 04:06:44,399
of our staff time which in essence is

5220
04:06:41,840 --> 04:06:46,080
taxpayer dollars to undertake the

5221
04:06:44,399 --> 04:06:48,560
extensive policy work and zoning

5222
04:06:46,080 --> 04:06:50,800
exercises now when the provincial

5223
04:06:48,560 --> 04:06:52,319
direction and federal will be coming in

5224
04:06:50,800 --> 04:06:53,840
and we may have to go back and revisit

5225
04:06:52,319 --> 04:06:56,399
and rework all of that. So I feel like

5226
04:06:53,840 --> 04:06:58,239
it's duplicating. So it's not I I hope

5227
04:06:56,399 --> 04:07:01,680
it's understood. I fully believe that

5228
04:06:58,239 --> 04:07:04,080
this is essential. It's just I mean if I

5229
04:07:01,680 --> 04:07:05,439
could take what the motion and make an

5230
04:07:04,080 --> 04:07:07,120
amendment to it, it would just be that

5231
04:07:05,439 --> 04:07:10,960
we would first receive the provincial

5232
04:07:07,120 --> 04:07:13,359
and federal framework before um we put

5233
04:07:10,960 --> 04:07:17,040
the intensive work into it. So that

5234
04:07:13,359 --> 04:07:19,120
that's where I'm with it.

5235
04:07:17,040 --> 04:07:21,680
» Herson

5236
04:07:19,120 --> 04:07:23,680
um excuse the mayor after hearing that I

5237
04:07:21,680 --> 04:07:25,920
mean wouldn't it be simpler and easier

5238
04:07:23,680 --> 04:07:29,600
just to care a moratorum right now and

5239
04:07:25,920 --> 04:07:31,040
then until we hear from the we get the

5240
04:07:29,600 --> 04:07:34,520
spinal things so that nothing could

5241
04:07:31,040 --> 04:07:34,520
sneak in the back.

5242
04:07:35,680 --> 04:07:40,479
» Yes,

5243
04:07:37,680 --> 04:07:42,479
we're making but I I assume at some

5244
04:07:40,479 --> 04:07:46,319
point there might be questions with the

5245
04:07:42,479 --> 04:07:49,040
uh representatives

5246
04:07:46,319 --> 04:07:50,479
but if there's nothing further um if you

5247
04:07:49,040 --> 04:07:52,319
want to have a seat listen to the

5248
04:07:50,479 --> 04:07:55,840
dialogue but thank you for your

5249
04:07:52,319 --> 04:07:58,720
presentation. Thank you. Uh, Miss Oh,

5250
04:07:55,840 --> 04:08:01,359
and I had counselor

5251
04:07:58,720 --> 04:08:04,359
saying

5252
04:08:01,359 --> 04:08:04,359
» Or

5253
04:08:06,800 --> 04:08:12,080
thank you. There's Yeah, there's a lot

5254
04:08:09,520 --> 04:08:15,040
of moving parts. I didn't suggest a

5255
04:08:12,080 --> 04:08:16,880
moratorium initially because I figured

5256
04:08:15,040 --> 04:08:18,880
much like council, there's nothing up

5257
04:08:16,880 --> 04:08:21,439
and coming. We don't have any more land.

5258
04:08:18,880 --> 04:08:24,080
I just thought that's kind of more

5259
04:08:21,439 --> 04:08:27,359
extreme. Um I also don't want to send

5260
04:08:24,080 --> 04:08:29,520
the message that Stra does not refer to

5261
04:08:27,359 --> 04:08:32,479
business for the right size of of

5262
04:08:29,520 --> 04:08:34,960
proposal. Um

5263
04:08:32,479 --> 04:08:36,800
timing wise of course I made this motion

5264
04:08:34,960 --> 04:08:40,479
before the province came out with any

5265
04:08:36,800 --> 04:08:44,000
structure. Um I I do feel like they're

5266
04:08:40,479 --> 04:08:46,160
not going to it's it's not going to be

5267
04:08:44,000 --> 04:08:48,880
specific that it's going to be very

5268
04:08:46,160 --> 04:08:52,080
broad and obviously the federal will be

5269
04:08:48,880 --> 04:08:54,160
very broad and of course I'm all for the

5270
04:08:52,080 --> 04:08:56,239
sovereignty of our data and like those

5271
04:08:54,160 --> 04:08:59,199
directions. I don't think we can direct

5272
04:08:56,239 --> 04:09:04,800
that with hello, but what I'm interested

5273
04:08:59,199 --> 04:09:07,199
in too is just figuring out what what is

5274
04:09:04,800 --> 04:09:10,800
our capacity and that that's not going

5275
04:09:07,199 --> 04:09:12,800
to be um dealt with by the province for

5276
04:09:10,800 --> 04:09:14,560
the feds, right? Because we don't know

5277
04:09:12,800 --> 04:09:17,439
like

5278
04:09:14,560 --> 04:09:19,439
I think our water usage is about 40% if

5279
04:09:17,439 --> 04:09:21,600
I'm not mistaken, but you know, we have

5280
04:09:19,439 --> 04:09:25,040
new developments, we have so there

5281
04:09:21,600 --> 04:09:27,279
there's things to look at. um even if

5282
04:09:25,040 --> 04:09:29,760
it's just a snapshot in time to say okay

5283
04:09:27,279 --> 04:09:31,359
this is what our electrical capacity is

5284
04:09:29,760 --> 04:09:35,359
this is what our water capacity like

5285
04:09:31,359 --> 04:09:37,520
just just basic facts so that when

5286
04:09:35,359 --> 04:09:39,040
proposals come to us we can say oh we

5287
04:09:37,520 --> 04:09:41,040
already know that we have this we have

5288
04:09:39,040 --> 04:09:44,560
that these are our limitation like this

5289
04:09:41,040 --> 04:09:47,439
is how much we're willing to risk as far

5290
04:09:44,560 --> 04:09:50,640
as you know if we want some 25% of our

5291
04:09:47,439 --> 04:09:52,880
water capacity um that's huge risk so we

5292
04:09:50,640 --> 04:09:55,920
we we can assess and discuss those

5293
04:09:52,880 --> 04:09:59,520
things before those projects to invest.

5294
04:09:55,920 --> 04:10:03,279
Um, and also I appreciate CEO's comments

5295
04:09:59,520 --> 04:10:06,399
as well as as looking at other large

5296
04:10:03,279 --> 04:10:08,239
proposals that would also, you know,

5297
04:10:06,399 --> 04:10:11,199
maybe something beyond that. It may not

5298
04:10:08,239 --> 04:10:14,479
even have to do with, you know, the the

5299
04:10:11,199 --> 04:10:16,880
same type of structure, but also

5300
04:10:14,479 --> 04:10:18,800
we seem to be moving a society towards

5301
04:10:16,880 --> 04:10:22,319
these massive

5302
04:10:18,800 --> 04:10:24,479
um projects that are that have

5303
04:10:22,319 --> 04:10:26,160
questionable benefits for a community if

5304
04:10:24,479 --> 04:10:27,680
it doesn't bring employment, if it

5305
04:10:26,160 --> 04:10:29,920
doesn't, you know, if they're not

5306
04:10:27,680 --> 04:10:32,160
actually part of our community, but just

5307
04:10:29,920 --> 04:10:36,560
sort of a something that sucks all of

5308
04:10:32,160 --> 04:10:38,960
our resources. So um for that reason um

5309
04:10:36,560 --> 04:10:42,160
I'm putting this motion forward. Um and

5310
04:10:38,960 --> 04:10:44,479
my only amendment would be to that the

5311
04:10:42,160 --> 04:10:47,600
first whereas

5312
04:10:44,479 --> 04:10:51,880
um yeah I think that would be another

5313
04:10:47,600 --> 04:10:51,880
big where

5314
04:10:55,840 --> 04:11:01,199
I I believe that the pros framework is

5315
04:10:59,199 --> 04:11:03,439
still technically draft. Okay.

5316
04:11:01,199 --> 04:11:05,439
» Which would I mean if you're looking to

5317
04:11:03,439 --> 04:11:08,000
change the that first paragraph like I

5318
04:11:05,439 --> 04:11:11,120
mean what it still makes sense.

5319
04:11:08,000 --> 04:11:16,479
» Still makes sense. Okay. Well,

5320
04:11:11,120 --> 04:11:19,120
» Second thank you discussion.

5321
04:11:16,479 --> 04:11:21,840
Thank you. I do support the motion. I

5322
04:11:19,120 --> 04:11:24,720
think just I just want to comment on

5323
04:11:21,840 --> 04:11:27,600
that waiting on or you know waiting for

5324
04:11:24,720 --> 04:11:29,600
the province framework. I I guess

5325
04:11:27,600 --> 04:11:32,000
frankly I'm just not inclined to wait

5326
04:11:29,600 --> 04:11:34,479
for the province uh to present something

5327
04:11:32,000 --> 04:11:36,720
that is probably much less than

5328
04:11:34,479 --> 04:11:39,199
satisfactory than we would like to have.

5329
04:11:36,720 --> 04:11:41,279
And so that is why I think it's

5330
04:11:39,199 --> 04:11:43,199
appropriate to just go ahead and when

5331
04:11:41,279 --> 04:11:47,680
theirs comes out and it's disappointing

5332
04:11:43,199 --> 04:11:50,160
we'll have our own networks already. So

5333
04:11:47,680 --> 04:11:52,319
» Thank you very much

5334
04:11:50,160 --> 04:11:54,880
» To the mayor. Um, I'm kind of

5335
04:11:52,319 --> 04:11:57,359
questioning the timeline of this because

5336
04:11:54,880 --> 04:11:59,840
staff has a lot of reports they're doing

5337
04:11:57,359 --> 04:12:02,800
right now and there's a lot of things on

5338
04:11:59,840 --> 04:12:04,560
the list and this will take time to do.

5339
04:12:02,800 --> 04:12:06,880
So, like if we look in that coming back

5340
04:12:04,560 --> 04:12:09,840
in the spring of 2027 or something or

5341
04:12:06,880 --> 04:12:13,760
how how are we going to manage this?

5342
04:12:09,840 --> 04:12:15,040
That's a lot of work.

5343
04:12:13,760 --> 04:12:16,239
uh through the mayor said I mean we

5344
04:12:15,040 --> 04:12:18,160
certainly appreciate that certainly

5345
04:12:16,239 --> 04:12:21,439
there's a lot happening we found at this

5346
04:12:18,160 --> 04:12:23,279
point better working on defense etc. Um,

5347
04:12:21,439 --> 04:12:24,640
having said that, as our director said,

5348
04:12:23,279 --> 04:12:26,319
this is something we're paying attention

5349
04:12:24,640 --> 04:12:27,600
to. We're going to have to we're going

5350
04:12:26,319 --> 04:12:30,399
to have to do something one way or the

5351
04:12:27,600 --> 04:12:32,160
other as we move forward. Um, as he

5352
04:12:30,399 --> 04:12:33,760
still see a lot of work to do on the

5353
04:12:32,160 --> 04:12:38,160
official plan itself that will come back

5354
04:12:33,760 --> 04:12:41,439
to the city council. Um, so this is good

5355
04:12:38,160 --> 04:12:43,199
timing for us whether or not it's fully

5356
04:12:41,439 --> 04:12:45,359
complete when you're discussing the

5357
04:12:43,199 --> 04:12:47,040
official plan and the pieces that we'll

5358
04:12:45,359 --> 04:12:49,680
know. Uh, we're not necessarily going to

5359
04:12:47,040 --> 04:12:51,840
go do all the work tomorrow. We're going

5360
04:12:49,680 --> 04:12:53,680
to Again, we're going to be guided a

5361
04:12:51,840 --> 04:12:55,680
little bit on what other municipalities

5362
04:12:53,680 --> 04:12:58,319
are doing, what the province and feds

5363
04:12:55,680 --> 04:13:00,239
are saying, uh the certain group, what

5364
04:12:58,319 --> 04:13:05,040
application pursuing, what history we

5365
04:13:00,239 --> 04:13:06,880
have. Um, but I think in the next uh 6

5366
04:13:05,040 --> 04:13:08,640
months, we'll be in a much different

5367
04:13:06,880 --> 04:13:10,640
position as they're providing vision

5368
04:13:08,640 --> 04:13:12,159
plan documents and still working through

5369
04:13:10,640 --> 04:13:15,520
some of these documents. At that point

5370
04:13:12,159 --> 04:13:17,199
in time, the you may determination

5371
04:13:15,520 --> 04:13:18,960
whether or not you have enough

5372
04:13:17,199 --> 04:13:21,680
information to proceed. There's still

5373
04:13:18,960 --> 04:13:23,760
more information to to be um to be

5374
04:13:21,680 --> 04:13:26,159
deciphered through and again we'll have

5375
04:13:23,760 --> 04:13:27,680
some information around what the

5376
04:13:26,159 --> 04:13:29,040
frameworks look like and what those

5377
04:13:27,680 --> 04:13:30,640
frameworks look like. Are they actual

5378
04:13:29,040 --> 04:13:33,520
direction? Are they frameworks? Are they

5379
04:13:30,640 --> 04:13:35,520
the incentives? um th this is going to

5380
04:13:33,520 --> 04:13:38,800
move in much a couple of different

5381
04:13:35,520 --> 04:13:41,359
directions uh as we see. Um but as well

5382
04:13:38,800 --> 04:13:45,040
we're also probably not a municipality

5383
04:13:41,359 --> 04:13:47,439
that is looking or that um investors of

5384
04:13:45,040 --> 04:13:50,720
that type are looking at from a scale

5385
04:13:47,439 --> 04:13:55,040
perspective. Uh we do most of the

5386
04:13:50,720 --> 04:13:57,760
country do have data centers in city. Um

5387
04:13:55,040 --> 04:14:02,080
so so again that's not this is not

5388
04:13:57,760 --> 04:14:03,520
something we ever per small state but I

5389
04:14:02,080 --> 04:14:05,680
think that answers your I think I think

5390
04:14:03,520 --> 04:14:08,399
there's enough here

5391
04:14:05,680 --> 04:14:10,479
but we will manage that accordingly we

5392
04:14:08,399 --> 04:14:11,760
we will if it comes to a point where

5393
04:14:10,479 --> 04:14:13,600
where they're not giving you all the

5394
04:14:11,760 --> 04:14:18,040
information again that's where we'll be

5395
04:14:13,600 --> 04:14:18,040
discussing what that process is

5396
04:14:19,520 --> 04:14:23,600
through the mayor the yeah I was going

5397
04:14:21,359 --> 04:14:25,680
to make a similar comment to the CEO

5398
04:14:23,600 --> 04:14:28,640
that we have existing data centers that

5399
04:14:25,680 --> 04:14:31,199
cause no problem. Um, in speaking with

5400
04:14:28,640 --> 04:14:34,640
our CEO of Festival of Hydro, he said

5401
04:14:31,199 --> 04:14:36,319
that a hypers scale uh data center, we

5402
04:14:34,640 --> 04:14:38,560
have nowhere near enough power. So,

5403
04:14:36,319 --> 04:14:42,880
there's a there's a built-in check to

5404
04:14:38,560 --> 04:14:44,800
those already um I I support I support

5405
04:14:42,880 --> 04:14:45,911
setting up the parameters, but I don't I

5406
04:14:44,800 --> 04:14:46,720
don't think we need a moratorum.

5407
04:14:45,911 --> 04:14:49,040
[clears throat]

5408
04:14:46,720 --> 04:14:51,840
Um because the right size data center

5409
04:14:49,040 --> 04:14:56,199
can be good. Um it's it's the really

5410
04:14:51,840 --> 04:14:56,199
large ones that present the challenges.

5411
04:14:57,520 --> 04:15:02,239
» Um thank you to the chair. I I would

5412
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:04,960
like to make an amendment to the motion

5413
04:15:02,239 --> 04:15:07,520
that we direct staff to first review

5414
04:15:04,960 --> 04:15:08,960
receive and review and consider the

5415
04:15:07,520 --> 04:15:10,720
province of Ontario's fourth funding

5416
04:15:08,960 --> 04:15:13,760
data center framework and then proceed

5417
04:15:10,720 --> 04:15:15,279
with the rest of the motion.

5418
04:15:13,760 --> 04:15:19,120
» Okay.

5419
04:15:15,279 --> 04:15:22,560
a second for that and then

5420
04:15:19,120 --> 04:15:24,800
also Niger that would you be inclined to

5421
04:15:22,560 --> 04:15:25,279
include the federal government's work as

5422
04:15:24,800 --> 04:15:26,560
well?

5423
04:15:25,279 --> 04:15:27,920
» Yeah, I just didn't know if that was

5424
04:15:26,560 --> 04:15:31,319
imminent. I just know the province is

5425
04:15:27,920 --> 04:15:31,319
imminent. counc.

5426
04:15:32,319 --> 04:15:37,040
» Yeah, just a question for the CAO to the

5427
04:15:34,800 --> 04:15:38,640
mayor. I I thought I picked up in his

5428
04:15:37,040 --> 04:15:40,560
last comments that it was going to take

5429
04:15:38,640 --> 04:15:42,080
time for this anyway and they were

5430
04:15:40,560 --> 04:15:44,239
already going to be looking at the

5431
04:15:42,080 --> 04:15:46,239
federal and provincial

5432
04:15:44,239 --> 04:15:48,080
uh guidance.

5433
04:15:46,239 --> 04:15:50,479
Is that was that accurate or do we need

5434
04:15:48,080 --> 04:15:53,359
the

5435
04:15:50,479 --> 04:15:55,439
um

5436
04:15:53,359 --> 04:15:58,960
certainly

5437
04:15:55,439 --> 04:16:00,479
that gives us inner direction but that

5438
04:15:58,960 --> 04:16:04,840
was collectively ready to be that was

5439
04:16:00,479 --> 04:16:04,840
the way I was enter

5440
04:16:05,439 --> 04:16:10,000
so it's on the floor you can withdraw it

5441
04:16:07,840 --> 04:16:14,000
or move forward and add it and then it's

5442
04:16:10,000 --> 04:16:16,159
there or direction so if there's nothing

5443
04:16:14,000 --> 04:16:21,680
forward uh further what's call the

5444
04:16:16,159 --> 04:16:24,800
question on the amendment. All in favor

5445
04:16:21,680 --> 04:16:30,560
to oppose that car. So now we have a

5446
04:16:24,800 --> 04:16:36,520
motion with the amended version and I

5447
04:16:30,560 --> 04:16:36,520
will call question on that. All the post

5448
04:16:37,040 --> 04:16:40,359
that's car

5449
04:16:40,560 --> 04:16:47,600
that the saw on the wall

5450
04:16:44,080 --> 04:16:50,000
I need at this time to extend the date

5451
04:16:47,600 --> 04:16:52,800
» After you can certainly extend again.

5452
04:16:50,000 --> 04:16:56,800
» Sure. So motion to extend the meeting by

5453
04:16:52,800 --> 04:17:01,720
one half hour. Council

5454
04:16:56,800 --> 04:17:01,720
Anderson will second. All in favor.

5455
04:17:06,319 --> 04:17:10,920
Thank you so

5456
04:17:28,640 --> 04:17:34,080
Item nine is reporting committee clear

5457
04:17:31,439 --> 04:17:36,399
noted. Item 10 is not consent and again

5458
04:17:34,080 --> 04:17:38,319
un noted. Moving to item 11 reading of

5459
04:17:36,399 --> 04:17:42,239
the bylaws. There are seven bylaws

5460
04:17:38,319 --> 04:17:44,640
listed as item 11 is to appoint

5461
04:17:42,239 --> 04:17:47,680
controllers. 11.2 is to appoint the

5462
04:17:44,640 --> 04:17:51,120
director of emergency fire chief. Item

5463
04:17:47,680 --> 04:17:54,399
11.3 is to award the RFP for the process

5464
04:17:51,120 --> 04:17:59,520
of single screen material. Item 11.4

5465
04:17:54,399 --> 04:18:03,760
four inheritance 15 or 11 street marks

5466
04:17:59,520 --> 04:18:06,239
to amend traffic parking by law 14. Item

5467
04:18:03,760 --> 04:18:09,120
11.6 is to extend the contract for

5468
04:18:06,239 --> 04:18:11,680
non-eligible blue box collection. Item

5469
04:18:09,120 --> 04:18:15,040
11.7 is the zoning file amendment

5470
04:18:11,680 --> 04:18:17,840
application 04-26. These files have been

5471
04:18:15,040 --> 04:18:19,439
taken collectively upon vote to council

5472
04:18:17,840 --> 04:18:23,680
president.

5473
04:18:19,439 --> 04:18:26,720
So your date collected moved by counc

5474
04:18:23,680 --> 04:18:28,720
Anderson any discussion

5475
04:18:26,720 --> 04:18:31,760
all in favor

5476
04:18:28,720 --> 04:18:34,319
of any that's unanimously hearing any

5477
04:18:31,760 --> 04:18:36,880
for first and second move by councelor

5478
04:18:34,319 --> 04:18:43,120
Hunter second by councelor be any

5479
04:18:36,880 --> 04:18:45,439
discussion see none all in post it car

5480
04:18:43,120 --> 04:18:48,720
and move

5481
04:18:45,439 --> 04:18:51,359
councelor dig no second by councelor bur

5482
04:18:48,720 --> 04:18:55,359
Any discussion? Seeing none, all in

5483
04:18:51,359 --> 04:18:57,359
favor? Most unanimous and carried.

5484
04:18:55,359 --> 04:18:59,199
» Item 12 is the consent agenda. Are there

5485
04:18:57,359 --> 04:19:01,120
any items listed on the consent agenda

5486
04:18:59,199 --> 04:19:06,120
to be considered by council?

5487
04:19:01,120 --> 04:19:06,120
» You also go ahead. CA26-110

5488
04:19:06,319 --> 04:19:11,279
um is the resolution from the town of

5489
04:19:08,479 --> 04:19:13,120
Paris. Um saying the province should

5490
04:19:11,279 --> 04:19:15,279
establish a regulatory agreement for

5491
04:19:13,120 --> 04:19:17,760
either. And I'm thinking this one should

5492
04:19:15,279 --> 04:19:19,760
be endorsed by us because what a

5493
04:19:17,760 --> 04:19:22,239
mismatch that'll be if some

5494
04:19:19,760 --> 04:19:24,640
municipalities have this rule and you

5495
04:19:22,239 --> 04:19:26,159
know say we have a rule and then say

5496
04:19:24,640 --> 04:19:28,479
here's a different rule and everything.

5497
04:19:26,159 --> 04:19:29,840
I mean they govern cars and trucks and

5498
04:19:28,479 --> 04:19:33,040
everything they should be anything

5499
04:19:29,840 --> 04:19:34,880
that's got an over on it they should be

5500
04:19:33,040 --> 04:19:38,000
all the same across the province.

5501
04:19:34,880 --> 04:19:40,159
» Thank you second there for that back

5502
04:19:38,000 --> 04:19:42,960
further discussion.

5503
04:19:40,159 --> 04:19:44,720
Seeing none, all in favor post if any.

5504
04:19:42,960 --> 04:19:49,560
That's unanimous. There any other

5505
04:19:44,720 --> 04:19:49,560
consent agenda items at this time?

5506
04:19:50,239 --> 04:19:53,279
Noted. Next item.

5507
04:19:51,359 --> 04:19:56,479
» Item 13 is new business. Is there any

5508
04:19:53,279 --> 04:19:59,600
new business items?

5509
04:19:56,479 --> 04:20:02,479
» Thank you. Um we had a correspondence

5510
04:19:59,600 --> 04:20:05,680
from a resident that lives near the

5511
04:20:02,479 --> 04:20:08,640
train crossing on Nile Street a while

5512
04:20:05,680 --> 04:20:11,680
ago and I was just wondering if we could

5513
04:20:08,640 --> 04:20:14,880
direct that I put a motion forward to

5514
04:20:11,680 --> 04:20:16,479
direct staff to make request to CN to

5515
04:20:14,880 --> 04:20:18,319
review the noise level at that

5516
04:20:16,479 --> 04:20:20,640
intersection not on the street where the

5517
04:20:18,319 --> 04:20:22,399
train crosses over train station.

5518
04:20:20,640 --> 04:20:25,199
» Just for clarification, is that the

5519
04:20:22,399 --> 04:20:29,359
morning

5520
04:20:25,199 --> 04:20:31,840
horns or just the crossing itself?

5521
04:20:29,359 --> 04:20:34,640
» They they identify the horn specifically

5522
04:20:31,840 --> 04:20:37,840
and yes.

5523
04:20:34,640 --> 04:20:41,760
» Yeah. So through your worship um maybe

5524
04:20:37,840 --> 04:20:45,279
cancer for the question uh the question

5525
04:20:41,760 --> 04:20:47,439
being uh looked at here is the N street

5526
04:20:45,279 --> 04:20:49,680
crossing effectively it's just a stop

5527
04:20:47,439 --> 04:20:53,840
sign currently that's the biggest

5528
04:20:49,680 --> 04:20:56,080
limitation from um having the train horn

5529
04:20:53,840 --> 04:20:58,080
which sometimes comes early morning 5:00

5530
04:20:56,080 --> 04:21:00,319
in the morning it's required to blow it

5531
04:20:58,080 --> 04:21:02,560
whistle under uh transport Canada

5532
04:21:00,319 --> 04:21:05,680
regulations so

5533
04:21:02,560 --> 04:21:07,279
um in order to even consider having it

5534
04:21:05,680 --> 04:21:11,120
removed. The likelihood is they're going

5535
04:21:07,279 --> 04:21:13,120
to install a gate arm type system at

5536
04:21:11,120 --> 04:21:15,840
that location.

5537
04:21:13,120 --> 04:21:17,760
A bit of a cost. Uh that's 100% of the

5538
04:21:15,840 --> 04:21:21,520
city's cost for the whole process to go

5539
04:21:17,760 --> 04:21:25,199
through the uh investigation design. And

5540
04:21:21,520 --> 04:21:29,279
then we have to get approval through

5541
04:21:25,199 --> 04:21:31,199
uh both the road railway as well as

5542
04:21:29,279 --> 04:21:35,199
transport

5543
04:21:31,199 --> 04:21:38,720
to be permitted. So uh I think uh based

5544
04:21:35,199 --> 04:21:41,279
on the request council's desire um I

5545
04:21:38,720 --> 04:21:43,760
bring back before

5546
04:21:41,279 --> 04:21:46,760
in terms of uh work plan timelines and

5547
04:21:43,760 --> 04:21:46,760
cost

5548
04:21:47,279 --> 04:21:52,960
you made a motion. I don't

5549
04:21:49,680 --> 04:21:54,720
» Know I well I don't but if I can make

5550
04:21:52,960 --> 04:21:59,199
the motion to have a report back that

5551
04:21:54,720 --> 04:22:00,720
would show the what step cost associated

5552
04:21:59,199 --> 04:22:04,800
that would be my motion.

5553
04:22:00,720 --> 04:22:09,399
» Thank you. Second for that

5554
04:22:04,800 --> 04:22:09,399
will second any discussion

5555
04:22:09,840 --> 04:22:13,319
with all favor

5556
04:22:16,319 --> 04:22:21,840
and that is scary. I know I've been in

5557
04:22:18,720 --> 04:22:23,359
conversation with Metro East and as you

5558
04:22:21,840 --> 04:22:25,359
said

5559
04:22:23,359 --> 04:22:29,680
I hear loud and clear at 4:06 in the

5560
04:22:25,359 --> 04:22:31,840
morning here in the office. It's it's

5561
04:22:29,680 --> 04:22:34,399
appreciate how

5562
04:22:31,840 --> 04:22:36,960
great but

5563
04:22:34,399 --> 04:22:38,560
it's nice to speak.

5564
04:22:36,960 --> 04:22:40,399
» Anything else?

5565
04:22:38,560 --> 04:22:42,640
» Thank you. Just based on some of my

5566
04:22:40,399 --> 04:22:45,600
talks tonight and delegations. I just

5567
04:22:42,640 --> 04:22:49,520
wanted to put forward or I just would

5568
04:22:45,600 --> 04:22:55,000
like to refer to staff um for steps

5569
04:22:49,520 --> 04:22:55,000
possibly early the annex M Z

5570
04:22:56,399 --> 04:23:01,199
um just so we can have an idea if it's

5571
04:22:59,439 --> 04:23:03,840
possible what steps you could take and

5572
04:23:01,199 --> 04:23:07,439
then and what that would look like

5573
04:23:03,840 --> 04:23:10,960
» If I can turn that to uh the CO

5574
04:23:07,439 --> 04:23:14,560
» Uh to the next simulation to to that and

5575
04:23:10,960 --> 04:23:16,560
what that might look like um my my

5576
04:23:14,560 --> 04:23:18,399
recommendation is that you continue to

5577
04:23:16,560 --> 04:23:21,120
work with the efficient plan process and

5578
04:23:18,399 --> 04:23:24,880
that we will take a lifting um and what

5579
04:23:21,120 --> 04:23:27,600
that process um might look like. Again,

5580
04:23:24,880 --> 04:23:29,279
it's as council has gone through

5581
04:23:27,600 --> 04:23:33,359
annexation in the past. It's not

5582
04:23:29,279 --> 04:23:35,520
necessarily um a short process or an

5583
04:23:33,359 --> 04:23:37,920
expensive one, but there's there's got

5584
04:23:35,520 --> 04:23:42,880
to be certain rational

5585
04:23:37,920 --> 04:23:46,560
issues both. In fact, it's probably um

5586
04:23:42,880 --> 04:23:50,800
important to occur whether they

5587
04:23:46,560 --> 04:23:56,199
typically sited by the value to gaining

5588
04:23:50,800 --> 04:23:56,199
those lands. uh that the city offic

5589
04:24:03,840 --> 04:24:10,000
Thank you. So, so it's sort of being

5590
04:24:07,359 --> 04:24:11,840
looked at as part of the official plan

5591
04:24:10,000 --> 04:24:14,880
or not as part of the official plan, but

5592
04:24:11,840 --> 04:24:16,720
it's sort of something that's being

5593
04:24:14,880 --> 04:24:19,800
might be referred to council sometime in

5594
04:24:16,720 --> 04:24:19,800
the future.

5595
04:24:20,000 --> 04:24:23,199
» Clarify. So it's not necessarily a

5596
04:24:21,680 --> 04:24:24,800
picture plan item although as part of

5597
04:24:23,199 --> 04:24:27,279
the official plan depending on where we

5598
04:24:24,800 --> 04:24:28,960
end up with our recommendations and what

5599
04:24:27,279 --> 04:24:32,159
growth looks like and then when we start

5600
04:24:28,960 --> 04:24:34,640
documentations what future land needs

5601
04:24:32,159 --> 04:24:37,040
might have uh from from that perspective

5602
04:24:34,640 --> 04:24:38,640
will go into that decision for council

5603
04:24:37,040 --> 04:24:41,120
in the future. So it makes sense to

5604
04:24:38,640 --> 04:24:43,279
continue down planning process before

5605
04:24:41,120 --> 04:24:44,880
you start to understand what new lands

5606
04:24:43,279 --> 04:24:48,640
you might need or what old lands you

5607
04:24:44,880 --> 04:24:51,199
might not need. Um so it's that any time

5608
04:24:48,640 --> 04:24:54,720
uh through the state's office uh we will

5609
04:24:51,199 --> 04:24:57,760
start to that process

5610
04:24:54,720 --> 04:25:01,120
based on the fact that

5611
04:24:57,760 --> 04:25:04,880
they have council meeting

5612
04:25:01,120 --> 04:25:08,000
um directed to the CEO on that topic. Um

5613
04:25:04,880 --> 04:25:10,720
since a lot of the members from council

5614
04:25:08,000 --> 04:25:13,199
currently were not part of that that

5615
04:25:10,720 --> 04:25:16,319
decision when it comes back with

5616
04:25:13,199 --> 04:25:17,920
whatever options I I would just request

5617
04:25:16,319 --> 04:25:19,600
that there would be like a history and

5618
04:25:17,920 --> 04:25:22,159
then kind of how we got there what all

5619
04:25:19,600 --> 04:25:24,399
what all that was because to make a

5620
04:25:22,159 --> 04:25:26,960
proper decision in any way on that I

5621
04:25:24,399 --> 04:25:32,319
would just know what like all of that as

5622
04:25:26,960 --> 04:25:32,319
well in the in details.

5623
04:25:35,760 --> 04:25:40,960
Yes, again that is a fairly

5624
04:25:38,640 --> 04:25:45,560
comprehensive file in my understanding.

5625
04:25:40,960 --> 04:25:45,560
Um, but we do certainly

5626
04:25:47,600 --> 04:25:52,239
» Thank you. Um, and I'm sure there'll be

5627
04:25:50,720 --> 04:25:53,840
an official announcement at our next

5628
04:25:52,239 --> 04:25:55,680
meeting, but I did want to also

5629
04:25:53,840 --> 04:25:57,680
congratulate Miss Trish with the library

5630
04:25:55,680 --> 04:25:59,120
on her forthcoming retirement. and I

5631
04:25:57,680 --> 04:26:01,680
wanted to bring it up now because her

5632
04:25:59,120 --> 04:26:04,640
final whale of the tale story hour will

5633
04:26:01,680 --> 04:26:07,279
be occurring at 6:30 uh right before our

5634
04:26:04,640 --> 04:26:09,279
meeting. Uh and so for anyone that's

5635
04:26:07,279 --> 04:26:12,000
enjoyed any of her children's

5636
04:26:09,279 --> 04:26:14,080
programming over the years in the

5637
04:26:12,000 --> 04:26:16,080
library in our daycare center as well,

5638
04:26:14,080 --> 04:26:18,159
but um that's a great opportunity to go

5639
04:26:16,080 --> 04:26:20,239
thank her and get one final reading with

5640
04:26:18,159 --> 04:26:22,159
her uh in the middle and then maybe

5641
04:26:20,239 --> 04:26:25,120
attend the council meeting after

5642
04:26:22,159 --> 04:26:27,279
interest, but that will be 6:30 on the

5643
04:26:25,120 --> 04:26:29,120
20th. So, I just wanted to make people

5644
04:26:27,279 --> 04:26:34,520
aware of that and I'm sure we'll have

5645
04:26:29,120 --> 04:26:34,520
some thank you this time next meeting.

5646
04:26:34,960 --> 04:26:38,960
» Anderson mayor, I just wanted to point

5647
04:26:37,359 --> 04:26:42,960
out when the gentleman was speaking

5648
04:26:38,960 --> 04:26:45,199
tonight, it sounded like a big industry

5649
04:26:42,960 --> 04:26:47,199
was going to come and, you know, he said

5650
04:26:45,199 --> 04:26:50,880
was going to have a thousand employees,

5651
04:26:47,199 --> 04:26:52,720
he was really excited about that. So it

5652
04:26:50,880 --> 04:26:54,640
actually closes the door on him and say

5653
04:26:52,720 --> 04:26:57,840
something comes along in the future

5654
04:26:54,640 --> 04:26:59,600
that's big and wants to negotiate with

5655
04:26:57,840 --> 04:27:01,600
him

5656
04:26:59,600 --> 04:27:03,920
cuz we did talk about a lot of the

5657
04:27:01,600 --> 04:27:06,720
things. I don't remember what was in

5658
04:27:03,920 --> 04:27:09,840
camera and what wasn't but about some of

5659
04:27:06,720 --> 04:27:11,359
the things that he discussed. So like it

5660
04:27:09,840 --> 04:27:13,760
kind of sound like it was something that

5661
04:27:11,359 --> 04:27:15,439
would manifest and have a lot of work

5662
04:27:13,760 --> 04:27:18,080
cuz he is interested but if it's just

5663
04:27:15,439 --> 04:27:21,760
something small he's not interested. the

5664
04:27:18,080 --> 04:27:24,399
salty good but yeah we have so it's sort

5665
04:27:21,760 --> 04:27:26,640
of tricky and

5666
04:27:24,399 --> 04:27:28,000
we have what five farms I think that

5667
04:27:26,640 --> 04:27:31,239
ranch actually in the city something

5668
04:27:28,000 --> 04:27:31,239
like that

5669
04:27:33,520 --> 04:27:37,279
» Any other councelor

5670
04:27:35,600 --> 04:27:40,000
» Just to respond to that because I have

5671
04:27:37,279 --> 04:27:42,080
to say that that was not accurate I

5672
04:27:40,000 --> 04:27:44,640
think it was four

5673
04:27:42,080 --> 04:27:46,319
pretty sure it was not too fast

5674
04:27:44,640 --> 04:27:47,680
it may have been 400 but I think it

5675
04:27:46,319 --> 04:27:51,439
might

5676
04:27:47,680 --> 04:27:53,600
Anyway, just clarity for

5677
04:27:51,439 --> 04:27:57,040
um others

5678
04:27:53,600 --> 04:27:58,800
of uh on the new

5679
04:27:57,040 --> 04:28:01,520
I'll certainly take a moment to

5680
04:27:58,800 --> 04:28:04,399
congratulate SLO for their exceptional

5681
04:28:01,520 --> 04:28:07,120
aging with optimism event this past

5682
04:28:04,399 --> 04:28:10,239
weekend at the Aglex. A huge thank you

5683
04:28:07,120 --> 04:28:13,760
to President Trudy Johnson and her team

5684
04:28:10,239 --> 04:28:17,920
of volunteers. That was an exceptional

5685
04:28:13,760 --> 04:28:21,239
an exceptional event that

5686
04:28:17,920 --> 04:28:21,239
all deserters.

5687
04:28:23,600 --> 04:28:27,840
» I also wanted to congratulate on stage

5688
04:28:26,000 --> 04:28:31,120
gymnastics for their official opening

5689
04:28:27,840 --> 04:28:32,479
and bringing gymnastics to Stratford. Um

5690
04:28:31,120 --> 04:28:34,159
I many families have been traveling

5691
04:28:32,479 --> 04:28:36,000
water and Mitchell for many years. We

5692
04:28:34,159 --> 04:28:37,680
now have it located right downtown and

5693
04:28:36,000 --> 04:28:40,159
just congratulations that team can

5694
04:28:37,680 --> 04:28:42,399
continue great youth programming for all

5695
04:28:40,159 --> 04:28:42,399
of us.

5696
04:28:43,120 --> 04:28:46,920
I think we should start.

5697
04:28:47,199 --> 04:28:50,520
» Anything else?

5698
04:28:50,960 --> 04:28:56,399
» I'm just wondering like No, we had a lot

5699
04:28:53,439 --> 04:28:58,159
of audience participation tonight. I'm

5700
04:28:56,399 --> 04:28:59,760
wondering because we don't always know

5701
04:28:58,159 --> 04:29:01,120
ahead of time, but it would be nice to

5702
04:28:59,760 --> 04:29:02,720
have the ones that are going to have

5703
04:29:01,120 --> 04:29:06,720
presenters

5704
04:29:02,720 --> 04:29:10,159
earlier on in the agenda to know what's

5705
04:29:06,720 --> 04:29:11,760
faster going through, right? Maybe but

5706
04:29:10,159 --> 04:29:13,920
of course we don't always know know that

5707
04:29:11,760 --> 04:29:15,600
ahead of time right because people will

5708
04:29:13,920 --> 04:29:18,760
read the agenda and then want to come in

5709
04:29:15,600 --> 04:29:18,760
the city

5710
04:29:19,840 --> 04:29:25,359
of that city

5711
04:29:22,000 --> 04:29:28,359
» Or even council we could adjust the

5712
04:29:25,359 --> 04:29:28,359
order

5713
04:29:29,040 --> 04:29:34,399
» Right if there's nothing further then

5714
04:29:31,600 --> 04:29:37,600
next item

5715
04:29:34,399 --> 04:29:39,439
» There's no moving to item 15 reading of

5716
04:29:37,600 --> 04:29:40,960
the confirmatory bylaw requires first

5717
04:29:39,439 --> 04:29:41,359
and second reading and third and final

5718
04:29:40,960 --> 04:29:44,399
reading.

5719
04:29:41,359 --> 04:29:48,239
» Thank you. First and second council

5720
04:29:44,399 --> 04:29:51,760
seconded by counc any discussion.

5721
04:29:48,239 --> 04:29:57,560
See none. All in favor if any see

5722
04:29:51,760 --> 04:29:57,560
carried and move for third and fin

5723
04:29:58,640 --> 04:30:06,560
second discussion.

5724
04:30:00,880 --> 04:30:08,880
All in favor if any that's carried

5725
04:30:06,560 --> 04:30:10,720
before we adjourn. Thank you to our our

5726
04:30:08,880 --> 04:30:12,640
lone

5727
04:30:10,720 --> 04:30:14,960
media person.

5728
04:30:12,640 --> 04:30:16,960
Thank you Conor. Thank you staff and

5729
04:30:14,960 --> 04:30:20,640
public's not here anymore but for their

5730
04:30:16,960 --> 04:30:24,920
energy committed and to of course cancel

5731
04:30:20,640 --> 04:30:24,920
said that all I ask

5732
04:30:27,359 --> 04:30:32,479
all

5733
04:30:29,040 --> 04:30:33,120
today we are

5734
04:30:32,479 --> 04:30:35,199
are everyone.

5735
04:30:33,120 --> 04:30:35,199
» That's