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$10 million.

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» Good evening everyone and welcome to

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Delta Township's board meeting for

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September 21st already. If you are able

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to stand to join us for the pledge,

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please do.

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» I pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all. Thank you so much.

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» Now we will have roll call by treasur.

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» All right.

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» Trusty

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» Present. Sorry

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» Here

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» Present.

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» Clark is absent.

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» Supervisor

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» Present. Okay. You have a qualified

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treasure.

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» Thank you, Treasure Fed. Now, we are on

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to presentations and proclamations. And

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we are thrilled to have um we have

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Marcus Service from EC Do.

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» Yeah. Heaton County drain office.

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» Haten County Drain Office. And we have

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Chris Madson who is with Spicer. And we

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also have Stacy Hassan Fhe. Did I get

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that right? Schultz. We're gonna put

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that last name on there too. Stacy Bay

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Schultz is the name of the firm. Very

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good. Oh, thank you so much. So, we're

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delighted to have them and they're going

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to talk about um they've got a

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presentation for us and they're going to

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go over there's four things that they're

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going to cover. So, welcome. Our podium

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is your podium.

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» Good evening everybody. Um we got Chris

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with Matson or Chris Matson with Spicer

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Group here and Stacy Hassang with Fehee

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Schultz. uh they're going to go over the

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construction progress for the bank inner

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county project and uh Stacy is also

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going to go through the grant funding

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and how that's going to work and what

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refunds or um reductions in your

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assessment will look like. So, thank

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you.

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» Thank you.

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» Thank you, Marcus.

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» Wait for the presentation to come up. So

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yeah, so as Marcus mentioned, I'm going

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to go over um just a brief construction

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update. I've been in a few times to give

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construction updates on the project.

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We'll kind of give you kind of where

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we're sitting right now and we can talk

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about when Sagena Highway will be open.

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» Um and then grant updates with Stacy

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afterwards. So

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» All right. So, um, just getting into a

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little bit of an update here. As I

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mentioned, the the construction and the

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schedule. So, some of the updates, um,

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we'll go to next slide here. Uh, we're

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going to cover each of the five

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divisions. Uh, yep, next slide here. Uh,

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so these are our five divisions. Our

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contractors, Bolle, Taplan, Jackson Dirt

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division A. So, division A was our uh

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demolition and abatement contract. Uh we

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had demolition and abatement at four

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different properties. Uh the first

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property 4300 West Sagen is the former

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Ora High School, the Westside Catholic

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High School. Uh as well as four

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residences on uh West, East and Thomas

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Parkway. So the work in this division is

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is complete. That contract um has

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reached final completion, is closed out.

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so that work there is complete. Uh

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Enterprises. So Taplan is digging the

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detention ponds for the project. So

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there is an excavation of three separate

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detention ponds. The first and the

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largest being at 4300 West Sagono

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Highway and then there will be two ponds

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um constructed next year uh in the year

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after uh along Waverly Road. There's a

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there's one at 219 North Waverly and 511

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North Waverly. So we had kind of put

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this presentation together in sort of a

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tour of updates um with different

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stakeholders and as of September 11th we

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were about 60% complete um with the

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contract as a whole. So the the main

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part of this is the large pond at 4300

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Sageno Highway and we're looking to have

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that complete by the end of 2026 and

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we'll go over that a little bit more in

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our update and then the remaining work

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on that contract complete through 28.

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who has been working on our outlet storm

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sewer. So, the large pond at 4,300, the

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the storm sewer that runs out of that

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pond to the river, uh, is under the

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contract of Jackson Works. So, their

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60-in outlet storm sewer was the main

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portion of their work, and they are

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substantially complete. Um, the main uh,

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remaining portion of work here is

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restoration. If you've heard from any of

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your residents on Clark, Thomas Parkway,

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Waverly on restoration and getting that

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final completion, getting the the the

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roads paved on that northern part of the

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drainage district that would be our

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Jackson Dirt Works group here. So, their

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restoration work is to be is is planned

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to be completed this fall and um after

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that they will be finally complete.

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» Chris, is that 60inch drain is that

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normal a normal size? Is this a newer

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size? Is standard? It it's it's bigger

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» Yes. So, there was a 30-inch and a 48

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inch storm sewer in there before. They

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were side by side. Um it's similar in

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size, but it is um it is a new pipe. Uh

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it is larger than either of those two

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were before um we had replaced them. Um

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60in on its own is pretty is pretty

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reasonable. Uh our next division is

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going to have the pipe that we've talked

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about before that is very very large um

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for a project.

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contractor on division D and they

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actually started at the beginning of

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2026 and they're currently about 35%

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complete. Now, this is the contractor

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who's going straight down the center of

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Sagena Highway. They're putting in an

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8x6 ft box sewer uh right down the

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middle. And actually, as of uh I believe

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middle end of last week, that traffic

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shift has occurred and um the work down

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the center line is complete. They're

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right now working to turn that corner

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and get off of the Sageno Highway right

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away. Their MDOT permit concludes at the

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end of this construction season. So,

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they need to be done and paved and have

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the road completely open um on Sagena by

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the end of 26. Now, they will continue

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to start the work on Dibble at the end

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of this year and work to complete that

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through the 2027 season. Um this

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contract is just this box sewer. So,

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they've started at the school. They're

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turning the corner now to to head south

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on Dipple and that will conclude when

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that this division will be complete.

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Company. They have been building

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tributary storm sewer and other storm

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sewer improvements throughout the

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drainage district. Um as of uh early

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they're doing yet this year. The two

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main um uh portions of work is a section

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of storm sewer on Hume Boulevard. This

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is just north of St. Joe. Um this work

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was kind of delayed. There was some

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landowner coordinations um some things

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that we were dealing with um directly

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with um manager Reed just to have some

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transparency and communication on on the

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matter. We've come to a resolution with

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the property owner. We're moving

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forward. We're having that um storm

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sewer built uh this fall and we will be

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doing final paving. So, I had mentioned

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um a moment ago all of the paving and

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restoration north of Second Highway.

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restoration south of Michigan Avenue. We

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will be paving up to the top level and

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matching up with all of the driveways,

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every street except Dibble

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um down south of Michigan. A Now, Dibble

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is going to experience some traffic with

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construction over the next year and a

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half. So, we're going to hold off on

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that just so we don't ruin that final

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pavement. So all of the side streets and

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anything that was um disturbed and paved

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and partially paved back to this point,

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we'll have a final coat of pavement um

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in October uh of this year and we'll be

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done. So that'll actually cross St. Joe

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um head south into the neighborhood

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south of St. Joe there and we'll have

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that finished at the end of this year.

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clayborn area um tying into Dibble. Uh

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and also there is some reconfiguration

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of storm sewer um at Clark uh near

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Sageno Highway. So there will be some

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more lane closure. It'll be a lane

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closure on the north side just to

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reconfigure some storm sewer. It will

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just be localized um to that location

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where they're doing that reconfiguration

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just east of Clark. And that will wrap

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up division E's work through the end of

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this year.

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to kind of point things out. This is now

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all divisions big picture looking at

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work completed as of early September.

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left. So, up here on the screen, north

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is going to be off to this side. You can

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see the river peeking out of the photo

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there on the left hand side of the

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screen. The freeway is to the right. Uh,

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and that is to the south. So uh what

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we're showing here is all the sections

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of drain the bank inner county drain and

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the sections highlighted in yellow is

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what we're talking about having complete

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up to this point uh this presentation

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more or less early September. So you can

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see that section the large rectangle

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there uh is showing the 4300 property

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and the progress on that pond uh and

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then from that pond to the left to the

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north uh to the river. So that's that

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outlet storm sewer section. You can see

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going up and down is a yellow highlight

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there. That is a sageno highway uh

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section of box sewer that has reached

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that corner and they're getting ready to

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turn down dibble. That section is

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complete. And then all of the yellow

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highlights to the right hand side is all

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of the ET Mackenzie company project work

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um that is complete uh as of um early

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September. So, we'll go to our next

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there'll be a lot of activity still at

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the 4300 property. Um, hauling dirt off

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of that uh that site there. Uh, you can

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see at the north end of Dibble where it

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meets Sageno Highway, there's that

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section where they've turned the corner

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and they're installing that box sewer.

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And the Dibble Avenue work off to the

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right. That is that um sort of kinkedked

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yellow highlight there um near that

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Waverly Road label. Uh that's the little

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bit on Hume that we're going to be doing

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this fall yet. So this is the the bits

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to remain into the fall and at the end

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of 2026. And if we go to our next slide

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here, we'll see that the work plan for

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2027 is really concentrated to that

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block on Dibble between Sagenol and

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Michigan Avenue. So we're talking about

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Arlene and Clayborn are the streets that

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are curved there just below the straight

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line which is Dibble Avenue. We've got

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that northern pond um which our pond

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contractor will be digging. Uh that's

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the 511 North Waverly and um that work

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will extend on Dibble all the way to

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Michigan Avenue where it will connect

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with previously completed work.

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Moving next to 28, we're really getting

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into some cleanup. As far as major work

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items go, this is the main work item is

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completing this last and final pond and

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connection. Uh both of these ponds,

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these smaller ponds on Waverly will have

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cuts in connections across Waverly Road

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uh in Dingham County. So there will be

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some minor delays there with um that

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storms who are crossing Waverly and

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those pavement patches being performed.

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So essentially this gets us through sort

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of a graphical image of the different

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work areas. I think the main thing to to

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hone in on is 2027 is going to have a

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lot of work around that dibble corridor

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between Sageno and Michigan.

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» Question for you. Um Chris, the um drain

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ponds that you're creating,

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do you believe or I'm sure there's a

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plan for this, you know, exactly in

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those areas where that water is going to

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go, which drains are going to go are

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going to be impacted by those which

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area.

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» Yeah. So the the the areas where we're

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constructing those those ponds, um for

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the most part, they're being set up as

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regional detention for the system. So,

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they're going to take storm water input

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directly from the drain or parts of the

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drain that are plumbed right into it.

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So, the main pond at 4,300 is going to

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have um the essentially the portion of

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the bank inner county that um collects

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storm water south of Sagena Highway. So,

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that's a large portion of that drainage

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district, but also the Briggs drain off

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to the west, which is down below the

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image stretching almost over to um to

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the mall and to Meyer uh over to the

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west there. So there's a large portion

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of of the drainage district that's

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plumbed into that large pond. The other

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two ponds um and really this played into

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the benefits of county and uh planning

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for the future um are uh constructed as

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additional regional detention to provide

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some more resiliency for the system to

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get the the size of the pipes and the

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size of the project smaller and building

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these ponds, but also an opportunity for

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um connections for the district that had

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historically been flowing into Eaten

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County to Delta Township. ship. Um the

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pipe that served these areas

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historically was very undized. Um there

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was chronic flooding along Waverly. So

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this is going to help solve that. And

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then uh really the benefit is to those

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undeveloped parcels over on the Ingam

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side, which um is is something that was

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taken into account when Ingam County did

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their their aortionments.

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» Chris, can you explain are those going

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to be what are those ponds going to look

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like aesthetically? They're not

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necessarily full of water.

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» Right. So, the two smaller ponds um are

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actually uh designed to be dry most of

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the time. So, they will um they'll be

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under drained and those will dry out in

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between storms. So, they will be

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mowable. It's not going to become like a

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mosquito risk or any sort of hazard like

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that. The large pond is going to have a

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channel through the bottom. So, that low

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flow and that that amount of storm water

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that's just it's a large there's a large

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area connected to it. So, sump pumps um

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and other uh other things contributing

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flow to this system. uh we feel like

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there's going to be more water more of

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the time and that water will flow

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through that low flow channel and not

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just sit in pools on the bottom. So the

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intent for the larger pond is to have a

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place for that water to flow through and

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not just spread out and it it keeps

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moving. Just Cascola.

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» Yes, thank you. Um, so just a question.

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You made the comment um about the um

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the two ponds that all sit off Waverly

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and the benefit they bring to the Amount

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County property to the east.

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And you mentioned that that was

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factored into the assessment.

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Um, I'm just wondering because that

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property today is largely vacant, so

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storm water is absorbed, but if that's

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developed and you've got parking lots

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and structures that are

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uh limiting the ability to to absorb

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that water just into the ground.

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Is there going to be any kind of

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assessment to for that impact to the

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system or you're just saying that's

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already calculated in as vacant land?

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» So there there was some consideration

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for a certain level of development and

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essentially that additional storm water

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coming into those areas. One thing to

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keep in mind that these two ponds along

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Waverly were not built to have

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development void of storm water

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management across the county line. So

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there will still be a need for storm

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water management on that um that vacant

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golf course parcel across across the

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county line there across Waverly. So

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it's dealing with a portion of a

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developed state. It is not providing

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um say a development that's got 80%

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pavement um on an extreme end. Not it's

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not built or designed for a very large

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impervious development, but it is taking

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into account some of that development

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» And any improvement

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needed to the system for development on

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that property will be the responsibility

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of those developing or owning that

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property, not others in the drainage

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district.

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» Correct. And and essentially there's

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there's a couple options for developers

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in most situations. either maybe it's an

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improvement to the system you're

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draining into or you need a very much

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more robust system on your own parcel.

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So, a lot of it comes down to storage

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and if you need more storage and the

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storage isn't available regionally where

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most systems don't have that regional

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storage, it's got to be built at the

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developer cost on those development

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projects.

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» And and so, a couple things, Chris.

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First, the golf course property, believe

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it or not, does not all flow to the bank

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or county drain.

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» About a third of it does,

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» Right? And then the rest of it flows to

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this be very beautifully named bogus

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swamp.

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» The bogus swamp drain

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» Drain.

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» Um, that's just an Ingam County drain.

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So, we're really looking at from a

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watershed standpoint, we're only a third

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of that property there. And there was

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significant discussions with Ingam

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County drain staff as to how much water

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would be let off the site when it is

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developed. That was communicated to the

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developers. And so, these detention

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ponds aren't really um accommodating

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that development anymore than we would

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accommodate any other developer

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regardless of the county. So when he

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said it's for that benefit of Ingam is

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the Ingam water's coming in but it's not

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being treated any differently than

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anybody else throughout probably Ingam

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or Eaton County. Mhm.

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» And so the reasons that we're having

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those ponds is early on the design

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alternative that was selected was do you

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go bigger pipe than we already have big

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pipe and no detention ponds or do we

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have detention ponds to try to get the

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pipe a little bit smaller actually

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significantly smaller as it goes

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downstream. And so the decision and luck

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luck of the draw was that big property

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was for sale and we were able to

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purchase these is the three detention

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ponds end up saving the project probably

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over $10 million in cost and the

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constructibility of the bigger the pipe.

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Can you imagine putting a bigger pipe

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than we already are under Sageno Highway

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and and after that down Waverly? the

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constructibility of putting an even

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bigger pipe where there's so many things

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going on was next to impossible. And so

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that's kind of why we have these

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detention basins there to hold water

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during those storm events for the two um

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that are I have to remember to turn my

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head sideways because that's how I think

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to the east. Um those are dry basins

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that are only going to hold water in

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storm events so we can have that smaller

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pipe size. I hang around with engineers

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enough where I think I talk like one. So

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did I get that right, Chris?

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» Absolutely. Okay,

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» Good job. Awesome.

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» Any other questions thus far?

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» Okay, please continue.

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» All right, so um moving next to um I

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just want to talk a little bit about

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some of the communication uh tools that

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we're using. Um we have a website, we

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have a um we have an email subscription

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service uh where essentially we're

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putting together uh monthly updates or

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any sort of urgent notices to go out via

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email blast. Um, this was actually born

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out of conversations with the manager's

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office here and we're using, I think,

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some of the same tools as the township

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is, um, to make these things happen. But

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just some statistics here. Um, I think

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one thing to notice is email blast and

521
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getting your information via email is

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one option for property owners to learn

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about the project. We have a project

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website. All of those project updates

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are loaded up on that website. We have

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some live um maps that show where work's

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happening, where detours and road

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closures are in effect. Um and

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essentially uh just trying to provide

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different options for the different um

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ways to communicate. And if we go to our

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next uh slide here, you can see just

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some of the the different types

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» Up for the email alerts. Those are

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really good. So I recommend all of the

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residents to enroll in the email

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updates.

538
00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,320
» Absolutely. and and and it shows what

539
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,799
each of the contractors are doing

540
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,799
monthtomonth. Um if we feel like there's

541
00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:06,799
some certain events that are notable,

542
00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:09,120
some traffic alerts, new road closures,

543
00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:10,799
if we're going to do some major paving,

544
00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:12,240
things like that, flood watch for some

545
00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:15,120
large storm events that are on the

546
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,200
horizon. Um those are things that we can

547
00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:19,200
fairly quickly put together and send out

548
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:22,159
without needing weeks and weeks to

549
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:25,840
develop that communication. So we um we

550
00:21:22,159 --> 00:21:27,360
found success with that.

551
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,720
And at this point, we're going to jump

552
00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:33,120
into some of the grant funding,

553
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:35,280
um, refund, aortionment, if there's any

554
00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:37,120
other questions on construction.

555
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,039
» Yeah, feel free to ask any questions

556
00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:42,559
that you might have. Um,

557
00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:44,960
» I think your township staff has done a

558
00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:47,600
great job working with the drain office

559
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,679
on um, responding to property owner in

560
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,080
I'm going to call them inquiries um,

561
00:21:49,679 --> 00:21:55,120
with regard to construction. Um the

562
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:57,200
drain uh the work trailer where Spicer

563
00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:59,760
Group meets with the contractors has a

564
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:02,080
map up where anytime there's a property

565
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:04,400
owner inquiry whether it's an email or

566
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:06,080
phone call it lights up that property

567
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,159
and then we know which ones have been

568
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,919
responded to or not responded to and so

569
00:22:08,159 --> 00:22:12,640
they go through that and then we meet

570
00:22:09,919 --> 00:22:14,880
weekly with the drain office uh to

571
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,480
ensure that everybody's needs are being

572
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,159
met and somebody's getting a call back

573
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,320
and trying to respond to their needs as

574
00:22:18,159 --> 00:22:22,960
quickly as possible. So, we appreciate

575
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:25,440
the coordination um with with the

576
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:28,880
township and and making sure that we're

577
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:31,360
timely responding to to property owners.

578
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:34,240
Um so,

579
00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:35,919
with regard to the property um the

580
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,400
project aortionment, I'm just going to

581
00:22:35,919 --> 00:22:40,400
remind everybody a little bit about what

582
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,960
those costs were. I know you probably

583
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,559
don't want to see this again, um but we

584
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,880
want to remind everybody how the cost

585
00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:49,360
was aortioned. And again, Delta

586
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,840
Township, uh, the township itself was

587
00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:54,080
the largest rate payer or assess

588
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:56,400
received the largest assessment for the

589
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,559
project of 25% of the project. And then

590
00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:01,120
these are kind of the the different

591
00:22:58,559 --> 00:23:03,280
percentages for the Eaton County share.

592
00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:06,720
And then the next slide shows the

593
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:09,600
aortionments in in Ingam County, which

594
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,679
um same type of situation. The Ingam

595
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:14,159
County drain commissioner assesses in a

596
00:23:11,679 --> 00:23:16,159
different manner. And so uh a larger

597
00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:19,360
percentage in this county went or in

598
00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:24,640
inum county went to the residents

599
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:26,880
um with 6% of the total project cost.

600
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:29,360
So

601
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,520
it is very unusual to receive a grant

602
00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:33,679
after construction begins, but I guess

603
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,520
we're we're very fortunate um with the

604
00:23:33,679 --> 00:23:38,640
hard work of Representative Whitworth

605
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:40,320
that that happened. Uh Eaton County, the

606
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,640
admin the controllers's office is the

607
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,919
grant administrator. We have two grants.

608
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,960
So, we're going to go through each of

609
00:23:43,919 --> 00:23:50,480
those today. The first one was $2.5

610
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:53,760
million, and it's it's been just a joy

611
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:55,840
to figure out the logistics of trying to

612
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,120
» Take care of grant money afterwards, but

613
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,600
we're we're getting through that

614
00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:04,880
process.

615
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:08,320
And so what we are doing is the county

616
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:10,799
is gi uh providing that information to

617
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,159
the drain office and then or to the

618
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:15,520
drain commissioner and the drainage

619
00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:19,200
boards and then if property owners have

620
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:21,279
fully paid an assessment they will or

621
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:24,080
any entity that fully paid an assessment

622
00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:27,919
they will get a refund a check in the

623
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:29,360
mail um for their prata portion of that.

624
00:24:27,919 --> 00:24:32,640
And so that's kind of why I showed you

625
00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:34,559
the 94% and 6%. Everything's based on

626
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,080
the construction needed to curve for the

627
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:38,640
grant and everything's based on those

628
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:42,240
same percentages in terms of who gets a

629
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:45,520
refund or a rebate or reduced assessment

630
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:49,120
um for the next couple of years.

631
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,880
And so in terms of Eaton County um

632
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:53,120
public corporations, these are the

633
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:57,679
refunds where there was a uh a

634
00:24:53,120 --> 00:25:00,240
prepayment or etc. So MDOT 52% Eaton

635
00:24:57,679 --> 00:25:02,320
County 493,500

636
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,559
that's split with the road commission

637
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:10,159
and then Delta Charter Townships this

638
00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:11,840
year's uh refund will be $587,500.

639
00:25:10,159 --> 00:25:14,960
That's not the property owners, that's

640
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,400
the township itself.

641
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,720
In Ingam County, again, we're just

642
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:21,120
dealing with 6% and their percentages to

643
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,360
the uh ATLA the public corporations were

644
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:26,480
a bit smaller. So, a significantly

645
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:28,159
smaller refund to Ingam County, MDOT,

646
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:32,000
and Lancing Charter Township for this

647
00:25:28,159 --> 00:25:35,600
year for the $2.5 million grant.

648
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:37,840
In terms of the property owners, um,

649
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,840
everybody's is a little bit different

650
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,960
because everybody's assessment was a

651
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,400
little bit different. Everybody's

652
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,640
percentage was a little bit different.

653
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:48,159
So, we have some averages for you. The

654
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:52,000
average residential refund or credit for

655
00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:55,360
the 2026 grant is $575.

656
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:57,520
of those we had um

657
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:59,679
135 full prepayments. So, they'll get a

658
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,200
check in the mail. Um some partial

659
00:25:59,679 --> 00:26:02,640
prepayments because if they still have

660
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:06,159
an assessment left, they'll get a credit

661
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:10,000
rather than a check in the mail. Um we

662
00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:12,400
had 41 full payoffs. That meant after we

663
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,760
bonded, there was a sale of the house,

664
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,039
something happened, and the mortgage

665
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,880
company said, "You have to pay off your

666
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:19,360
assessment before we can close." So,

667
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,039
that's a payoff instead of a prepayment.

668
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:23,440
Um, so we had 41 of those who will

669
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:26,320
receive a check, seven partial payoffs,

670
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,159
and then 1,650

671
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,159
uh Delta Township residents in the

672
00:26:28,159 --> 00:26:32,799
district will receive anredit a credit

673
00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:36,080
on this year's assessment

674
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:38,640
and the average of $575.

675
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:41,520
Now, your commercial properties, your

676
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,520
church and school property, their their

677
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:46,640
uh credits are significantly different

678
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:49,520
than that. Uh in Ingam County, you're

679
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:51,919
looking at much smaller assessments to

680
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:55,440
the residents. And so they're getting a

681
00:26:51,919 --> 00:26:57,919
whopping $20 either $20 check or refund

682
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,159
on average for full prep payments in

683
00:26:57,919 --> 00:27:03,279
Ingam County, one partial prepayment,

684
00:27:00,159 --> 00:27:04,720
and then 54 assessments. Uh 54

685
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:06,960
assessments were the total residents

686
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,120
that had that that will get a credit in

687
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,600
in county.

688
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:13,600
» Stacy, can I ask you a question with

689
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,640
regard to the Eden County? Um, you

690
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,640
mentioned a category about refunds for

691
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,200
folks who may have sold their property.

692
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,159
» Yeah.

693
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:24,480
» So, and I don't like to really speak in

694
00:27:22,159 --> 00:27:26,960
arbitrary sort of thing, but if somebody

695
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:30,720
sold their property and let's say they

696
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:33,039
got the buyer to pay that,

697
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:36,400
» Who is the refund going to go to?

698
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:38,480
» So, my understanding is that whoever cut

699
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,559
the check, I think, is is the one that's

700
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,200
getting the refund.

701
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:45,360
But we thought of this situation and so

702
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,960
if you paid the refund you're getting or

703
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:50,120
if you paid the payment you're getting

704
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,120
the refund.

705
00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:53,840
» I'm not sure how that works in real

706
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,919
estate world. If

707
00:27:53,840 --> 00:28:01,520
» We did go through this with the county

708
00:27:55,919 --> 00:28:04,960
and uh office to make sure so if so if

709
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,720
you sold your property 95% of the time I

710
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,279
would say it's going to be the the

711
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,760
seller

712
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:08,799
» Right

713
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,520
» Who prepaid.

714
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:13,679
» Absolutely. Uh, and so in that

715
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,440
situation, the check is going to go to

716
00:28:13,679 --> 00:28:16,320
the seller who made the prepayment.

717
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,480
» Mhm.

718
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,399
» Um, in situations, if it was the buyer

719
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,520
that made the prepayment, which I I

720
00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:23,200
don't know if we have any of those

721
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,600
situations here, but we kind of set the

722
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,120
policy, then it would go to whoever made

723
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,720
who who wrote the check.

724
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,279
» So, the language is whoever paid for it

725
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,000
basically.

726
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:32,240
» Correct.

727
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,760
» That's a great question. We had rounds

728
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,200
and rounds and rounds over that and

729
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,080
differences of opinion and that's where

730
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,919
we landed.

731
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:43,120
» Any questions? treasure feed away.

732
00:28:39,919 --> 00:28:46,080
» Yeah. Um I understand full numbers in

733
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,480
terms of what the credit or rebate would

734
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,039
be.

735
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,080
» Yeah.

736
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:52,960
» That now that varies drastically

737
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:56,880
depending on the individual portion that

738
00:28:52,960 --> 00:29:00,880
the particular property is but is the

739
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:02,640
ratio is the percentage even the board

740
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,360
if it isn't why not

741
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:09,440
» So it is pro rata depending on your

742
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:11,919
aortionment. So, if you had a 20 acre

743
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,640
parcel and you paid I'm making numbers

744
00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:16,320
up, you your assessment is $1,000 this

745
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,159
year and somebody else had a 1acre

746
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,440
parcel and their assessment is $100.

747
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:21,679
They're not going to get the same refund

748
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,600
or rebate. It's based on the actual

749
00:29:21,679 --> 00:29:24,720
assessment you paid in a percentage of

750
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,520
that.

751
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:30,880
» I understand that.

752
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:34,240
in terms of the the grants and the

753
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:36,799
credits. I mean it seems to me that the

754
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,960
» The methodology

755
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:40,799
is being followed as you described but

756
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,320
basically the percentage would be the

757
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:42,880
same across the board.

758
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,640
» Correct.

759
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:48,480
» Okay. I was just double check on that.

760
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:50,559
» Absolutely. Yep. There there is I was

761
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:54,480
going to say um

762
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:56,480
» There is a small uh administrative fee

763
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,440
taken out of the overall grant for the

764
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,480
county.

765
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:03,520
» So in county was going to charge a

766
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:06,480
$75,000 administrative fee of their time

767
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:08,159
to to do this and they decided to wave

768
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,240
it and the controllers's office is

769
00:30:08,159 --> 00:30:12,159
taking all the activities without charge

770
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,919
under the grant for administration of

771
00:30:12,159 --> 00:30:18,000
the grant.

772
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:20,240
Yep. That was just recently decided. So

773
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,279
apologize that we need. Yes.

774
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,039
» Question. Um will this schedule or a

775
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:27,279
schedule for each of the residents be

776
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:28,960
available somewhere so they can see

777
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:30,880
this? Yes. And know what's coming?

778
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,520
» We intend to send every resident a

779
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,200
letter. We're working on I think the

780
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,279
letter should go out maybe as soon as

781
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,880
next week or in the next couple of weeks

782
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:41,679
letting people know that there'll be a

783
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,679
reduction or a refund. If there's a re,

784
00:30:41,679 --> 00:30:46,240
so everybody in the district is going to

785
00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:48,320
get that letter. If there's a refund and

786
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,000
we know which properties are which,

787
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,840
we're going to send them a letter with a

788
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,559
self-ress stamped envelope saying, "We

789
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,640
need you to sign a W9. We need you, we

790
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:58,880
need your information, your new updated

791
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,320
mailing address, email address, etc."

792
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:04,480
Because we can't cut a check unless we

793
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:06,559
have a W9. So, um, once we do that, then

794
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,399
we'll start cutting checks for those who

795
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:10,640
we get refunds, and we're hoping to have

796
00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:13,919
those out in December.

797
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:16,559
Okay. Um, so we're hoping to have that

798
00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:19,120
information out very soon and we've been

799
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:20,640
working closely with uh your township

800
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,720
office to make sure that they have a

801
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,399
list of everybody too. Like we'll have a

802
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,840
we have a list of exactly what

803
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:28,320
everybody's supposed to get and then

804
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,480
we're keeping track of who who we have

805
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,880
information back, etc. And I hope we get

806
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:36,399
really good at it because next year we

807
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,760
get to do the exact same thing again um

808
00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:40,240
under a separate grant that's not

809
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:43,039
available yet um for that's not the

810
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,840
funds aren't available to us yet um for

811
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:48,080
$2 million additional dollars. And so

812
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,519
instead of wait having residents wait to

813
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,279
get their first check and their first

814
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:53,200
reduction, we're going to cut two

815
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:55,519
different checks um so that they can get

816
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,519
their money one each year and then have

817
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:58,960
a reduction, not quite the same amount

818
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:01,600
because we're looking at $2 million

819
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:04,080
instead of $2.5 million in the same

820
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,720
pattern for next year. So it would be a

821
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:09,440
reduction uh this year on the 2026

822
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:12,240
winter taxes. 2027 winter tax is a

823
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,080
reduction and then unless we find a

824
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,720
third grant in another year then we're

825
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,960
back to normal in 2028. But these are

826
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,640
the

827
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,360
» The admin fee will be waved for that

828
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,679
second one as well.

829
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,440
» It will and these are the important

830
00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:25,360
years in my opinion to do this because

831
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,320
interest is so high in the first couple

832
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:30,159
of years of of a 40-year assessment and

833
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,679
so these are the years where it matters

834
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:33,200
most. So, I'm going to go

835
00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:34,720
» Final interest rate because I know it

836
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,720
changed.

837
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,679
» I don't remember it went down, but I

838
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,799
thought

839
00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:42,240
» 3. Okay, we're going to look at it. Um,

840
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:46,559
so I'm going to go quick through these

841
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:48,399
slides. Uh, as riveting as drains are,

842
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:49,760
um, so $2 million, same kind of

843
00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:52,640
situation we're going to go through.

844
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:55,200
Next slide. Um, these are the Eaton

845
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:58,320
County refunds. And again, the Eaton

846
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:01,679
County share of 39 3094800 split with

847
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,679
the road commission.

848
00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:08,000
Same with the Ingam County share. Uh the

849
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:11,360
significantly smaller because it's 6%

850
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,519
instead of 94%. Next slide. So we're

851
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:17,039
looking at $462

852
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:20,960
um either credit or refund for Eaton

853
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:23,519
County and $16 in Ingam County.

854
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:27,200
And then um this is the grand totals

855
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:30,559
between the two grants. So, um, to the

856
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:34,159
Delta Charter Township 1,57,500.

857
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:37,440
The average residential, uh, deduction

858
00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:39,200
or refund is $1,37. And again, these are

859
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,039
all going to be different. I don't doubt

860
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,480
that any two are exactly the same.

861
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:45,760
They're based on as as your uh,

862
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,399
treasurer mentioned, they're based on

863
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:52,080
the percentages for the aortments. Will

864
00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:54,720
the 2027 grant redistribution of the

865
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:57,919
funds happen at the end of 27 like it is

866
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,679
that sooner than that this time? Uh in

867
00:33:57,919 --> 00:34:02,559
terms of the checks we just don't have

868
00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:06,000
it available. Okay. So the bond

869
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:11,879
percentage interest rate was 4.68%

870
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,879
assessed with a 1% fee making it 5.68%.

871
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,040
» Yes.

872
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:21,760
» Um just a quick question. I I believe

873
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:24,480
based on what you said um these the

874
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:27,440
whether it's a credit

875
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:29,919
I suppose when it's a credit is that

876
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,440
made as if it were a payment of the

877
00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:32,720
principal?

878
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,919
» Yes.

879
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:35,919
» Okay.

880
00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:38,639
» Yeah. So it will be to the property

881
00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:41,280
owner. Well so we're not going to go and

882
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:44,159
uh so we still have to we we can't

883
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,480
prepay on our bond for a period of years

884
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:48,079
yet. So there's a little bit of a price

885
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,760
to be paid where we have some money

886
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:51,760
coming in. It's just as if it came in

887
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:56,399
from the property owners instead of

888
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:57,920
instead of uh from the grant. So um yes,

889
00:34:56,399 --> 00:35:01,920
I think I made that more confusing

890
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:03,520
rather than less confusing. I apologize.

891
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,240
» All right. Any other questions? We just

892
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,880
have one more slide on this before. Did

893
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:10,880
that answer your question or

894
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,640
» Yeah. I I was a little confused by what

895
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,720
you were saying, but yes, you're saying

896
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,920
that will be applied as if it were a

897
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:19,599
principal payment. Correct.

898
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,520
Thank you.

899
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:23,119
» And then the Ingram County total grant

900
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,520
amount. I think that's the last slide we

901
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:26,520
have on this.

902
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:30,560
All right. So, everybody should be

903
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,000
getting a letter in the mail. If you

904
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,160
have questions, of course, we'll

905
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,000
coordinate with the township uh

906
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,640
administration with regard to questions

907
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,640
from property owners and and the only

908
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,119
issue that will come up is if someone

909
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:46,160
doesn't give us give us a W9, we can't

910
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:47,920
get them a check. So, I think that's the

911
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,839
only hiccup is making sure people

912
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,560
respond to us in a timely fashion so

913
00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:54,800
that we can so that we can administer

914
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,960
checks. So, all right, with that, I

915
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,359
think we can move on to the next lovely

916
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:02,599
drain item.

917
00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:02,599
Thank you.

918
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:15,599
» Okay. So, the next portion I'd like to

919
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:17,760
talk to everybody about is over this

920
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:20,480
year, probably early summer and late

921
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:24,560
summer, the Eden County Drain Office did

922
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:26,320
a series of 197s on drains. And a 197 is

923
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,320
a redistricting.

924
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,839
Um, and the purpose of that is to add

925
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:34,240
land or remove land. Um, a lot of the

926
00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:35,839
time when the mapping was done for drain

927
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:37,440
districts before, it followed a lot of

928
00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:40,800
the property lines and didn't follow the

929
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:44,160
exact topography to catch the runoff uh

930
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:46,400
where it was supposed to. Um, and again,

931
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:49,119
it updates our assessing role so we can

932
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:52,240
assess a drain out properly. Um, makes

933
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:54,480
it so Brian wouldn't be paying 20% when

934
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:58,480
he should only be paying 17% or vice

935
00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:00,160
versa. Um, and we worked with two of our

936
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,240
consultants on this. We worked with LRE

937
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,079
in the spring and I think we talked

938
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:06,960
about this one time at the previous

939
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:09,599
meeting I was attending. And then Spicer

940
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:12,320
did a second round of 197s for a whole

941
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:13,920
different batch of drains. And um,

942
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,720
Chris, would you like to talk more on

943
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,720
that? Okay.

944
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:23,280
» All right. So the the main group of

945
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,440
drains that Spicer Group worked on uh is

946
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:28,480
the Carrier Creek and its tributaries.

947
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,760
So um the bank in our county takes up a

948
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,359
large portion of the eastern part of the

949
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,880
township and the Carrier Creek is a lot

950
00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:36,480
of that central western portion of the

951
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,960
township. Um essentially, uh we were uh

952
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:42,480
assisting the the drain commissioner's

953
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:46,160
office with um different drains that um

954
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:48,000
didn't have uh a good role on file there

955
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:51,040
in their office or their role needed to

956
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:54,000
be updated. Um maybe we had a drainage

957
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:57,119
district from the 40s, 50s or 60s and it

958
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:59,280
wasn't uh in in a sense in an assessment

959
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:02,320
role format in their system um to

960
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:06,400
assess. And also back in that era, the

961
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:09,680
the drainage district now is is still a

962
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:12,079
uh generally topographic tool. Uh you

963
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,400
had two foot contour maps uh issued by

964
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:18,240
the USGS and nowadays we've got aerial

965
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,599
LAR um that's flown countywide. Uh that

966
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:22,320
really helps us hone in on that

967
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:25,040
information. So really boxy old district

968
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:28,800
lines become a little bit more organic.

969
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:30,560
Um sometimes we uh similar to you know

970
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,040
trying to explain the shape you see in

971
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,480
the clouds we try to you know see shapes

972
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,240
and different things in these drainage

973
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,800
districts because sometimes they look

974
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:40,160
completely organic and and um not at all

975
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,880
like how they used to. They're not as

976
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:46,960
boxy. Um so we go through that process.

977
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:49,040
Uh I believe there were um the the batch

978
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,480
that we had uh worked through were 33

979
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,320
different drains. Most of those were the

980
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,320
Carrier Creek and its subcatchments

981
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,680
other parts of the county as well. Um

982
00:38:54,320 --> 00:39:00,800
but we did the work to uh perform field

983
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:03,599
work. Uh we basically drafted a a

984
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:06,160
proposed line, district boundary line,

985
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:09,119
went out to see if that was accurate um

986
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,800
in the field making sure storm sewer and

987
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:12,800
cross culverts were respected and that

988
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,280
we don't have any water flowing in or

989
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,280
outside of that line. Um and that all of

990
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,599
that contributing area gets to the drain

991
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,200
that gets to its outlet. Um there's a

992
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:24,400
large part of that that's verifying the

993
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:26,000
legal extent and uh other portions of

994
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,680
the drain and what is legally drained

995
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,000
and what's not legally drained. And uh

996
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,760
Fahhe Schultz helped with um all of

997
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,640
those reviews and sort of coupled with

998
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:38,000
the engineering um put all that

999
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:40,160
together. We sent notices to all of the

1000
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,680
residents and at large entities hosted a

1001
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:46,160
day of review. Um I believe Spicer's day

1002
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:50,000
of review was end of August. Eller's day

1003
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:53,200
of review was maybe early July, June

1004
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,040
maybe. Okay. So, hosting that day of

1005
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,800
review and essentially those who want to

1006
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,480
come in and review the drainage

1007
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,920
district, that boundary line, the

1008
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,400
physical line on the paper and if they

1009
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:04,480
have any disputes or want to uh

1010
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,160
challenge or discuss that and also the

1011
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,920
aortionment and that percentage that's

1012
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,960
assigned to their property, they want to

1013
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:13,040
review how those numbers were arrived um

1014
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,200
or discuss those. So those are the two

1015
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:18,400
opportun the opportunity to review those

1016
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:21,359
two items um for both at large entities

1017
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:26,160
MD dot county township cities and the

1018
00:40:21,359 --> 00:40:30,160
property owners. So um that this process

1019
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:33,520
um started with a law change in 2013

1020
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:35,359
across the state these these reviews um

1021
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:38,240
sort of as needed have been going on

1022
00:40:35,359 --> 00:40:40,400
since early 2014. So there's been other

1023
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:42,800
197 reviews in Delta in the in Delta

1024
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,880
Township in the past. um lots around the

1025
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:48,560
county, lots more even around the state.

1026
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:51,760
So, it is a pretty um pretty common

1027
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:54,320
procedure. One thing to note too,

1028
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:56,000
because there is a 197 review and a

1029
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,560
change, it doesn't necessarily mean that

1030
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,839
there is a large project coming. We had,

1031
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,440
you could tell in some of the

1032
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:03,839
interactions we had with property owners

1033
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:08,160
wanting to understand the benefits of

1034
00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:09,839
paying off versus um you know, utilizing

1035
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,440
the assessment over the multiple years.

1036
00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:14,640
and we were talking maybe 2 or 3 years

1037
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,920
on an assessment for maybe $ 20 to $30 a

1038
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,119
year. So these are they're they're

1039
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:22,000
generally smaller numbers. They are um

1040
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:25,680
recouping and essentially uh assessing

1041
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,680
back maintenance expenses. Um and going

1042
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,960
forward on all the drains that we had

1043
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:33,200
worked on uh there aren't large projects

1044
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:36,079
that these are basically setting an

1045
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:39,040
aortionment role for.

1046
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:41,359
» Sorry to interrupt. Can you just explain

1047
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:45,119
a little more in a little more detail?

1048
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:47,200
You said recouping maintenance

1049
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:48,000
maintenance expenses.

1050
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,480
» Yes.

1051
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:53,440
» That have already occurred. So can you

1052
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:56,079
and is that with everyone in the

1053
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,960
drainage district or just the new people

1054
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,640
added?

1055
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,400
» It would be with everyone. So what the

1056
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,839
way I like to explain it is drain

1057
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,040
maintenance is kind of and drainage

1058
00:42:01,839 --> 00:42:05,280
districts are kind of like a charge

1059
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,960
account. uh there's an allowance for the

1060
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,839
drain the drain commissioner and the and

1061
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,520
the drain office to spend for each drain

1062
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:13,200
district depending on the length of that

1063
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,280
drain each year. So it's an allowance.

1064
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,280
It's not an assessment every year to

1065
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,000
build a capital fund. It's just an

1066
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,839
allowance to do maintenance or to uh to

1067
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,240
work on the drain and at the end of the

1068
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:26,000
year that cost gets assessed back to try

1069
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,599
to bring that account back to zero. So

1070
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:31,280
essentially like a charge account. So a

1071
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:33,359
lot of the uh all of the work that was

1072
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,280
essentially realized on that computation

1073
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:36,800
of cost and all those different costs is

1074
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,880
work that's already happened

1075
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:42,319
» For each of those drains and and those

1076
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:45,839
were assessed to each drainage district

1077
00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:49,599
as a whole not just the added folks.

1078
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:55,359
» Okay. Is there included in that? You

1079
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:58,640
mentioned this um 197

1080
00:42:55,359 --> 00:43:02,079
effort to to kind of reassess the

1081
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:04,000
drainage district lines, you know, those

1082
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:06,560
maps.

1083
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:10,319
I'm assuming there's a cost to that. Is

1084
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:12,720
that also assessed on property owners?

1085
00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:14,480
That's all the the cost for the the

1086
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:16,480
process and to go through the procedural

1087
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,960
changes and all of that is included in

1088
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:21,680
in that uh those assessments that will

1089
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:24,160
be going out this this uh December for

1090
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,599
the first time.

1091
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,319
So that would be included in those

1092
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:32,720
costs.

1093
00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:34,240
These assessments that you have on um I

1094
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:37,200
think it's the second page of the memo

1095
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:39,599
that we have.

1096
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:42,240
These are for This is for maintenance

1097
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:45,359
that was already done. Work was already

1098
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:47,839
done. What year or years would that have

1099
00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:48,560
been? Do you know? Do you recall?

1100
00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:49,760
» It would be different

1101
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,079
» For each drain. Um

1102
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,079
» How far back would you say? We're

1103
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:56,319
talking

1104
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:58,480
» I wouldn't say any more than a couple

1105
00:43:56,319 --> 00:44:00,560
years maybe.

1106
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,920
» Yeah. So, and it depends on each drain

1107
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,200
because each drain would have had

1108
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,800
different work done. And that's the

1109
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,560
other thing that's important too is is

1110
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,160
each account is kept separate. So work

1111
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,079
done on that drain is put into that

1112
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:13,520
account and is assessed against those

1113
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:16,160
drainage district entities

1114
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,560
» And some are one year, some are two,

1115
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,400
some are three. What's the determination

1116
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,319
or why are some just one year and some

1117
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,720
are two and some are three?

1118
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:26,640
» So uh we take the standpoint of there

1119
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:28,800
there's I'm going to say wrong and

1120
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,800
you're going to be mad, but it's $10,000

1121
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,560
per mile and and it's a little bit more

1122
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,040
with inflation. Every year it goes up

1123
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,760
every year. Um, so if we've got a

1124
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,839
three-mile drain, we've got $30,000 that

1125
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,000
we can use for maintenance. And and

1126
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:45,760
again, it's not money we get, it's money

1127
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:47,760
that we can assess out. Um, so on like

1128
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,000
the Carrier Creek drain, and I'm just

1129
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:53,440
throwing numbers out there. Say it was a

1130
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,839
five mile drain, I would take $50,000.

1131
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,760
So if the assessment was more than 50,

1132
00:44:55,839 --> 00:45:00,079
50 would be what I could assess out in

1133
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,720
one year. So if it was over that, I

1134
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,200
would assess it for more than one year.

1135
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:04,800
If it

1136
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:08,160
» There's another reason too if I can help

1137
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:10,000
you out. Sure. So let's say you have a a

1138
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,000
thousand person district and you're

1139
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,680
spending $10,000. So that's not going to

1140
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,400
be that much.

1141
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:19,200
» But if you have a 10 person district,

1142
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,280
you're assessing out 5,000. That that's

1143
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,440
a lot more. And so I think Marcus and

1144
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,359
the engineers go through and look at

1145
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,359
affordability for each of these drainage

1146
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:28,960
districts and say that seems a little

1147
00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:30,800
that seems a little rough for one year.

1148
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,920
And so they also spread it over for a

1149
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,200
couple years to make sure that the

1150
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,760
affordability is there.

1151
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,200
» Is that correct?

1152
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,680
» That that is definitely a factor we look

1153
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,839
at.

1154
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:41,280
» Okay. So my question on top of this one

1155
00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:43,520
is let's say I'm in year two of a

1156
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,839
three-year and you need to do another

1157
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,720
maintenance. Is that does could that

1158
00:45:45,839 --> 00:45:48,880
happen

1159
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:50,400
» And I would have yet another assessment?

1160
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,280
» Yep.

1161
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:56,640
» So you can have multiple assessments

1162
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:59,040
going on at the same time. So normally

1163
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,720
if so normally you wouldn't have

1164
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,640
multiple assessments for the same drain

1165
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:04,240
going on at the same time. If there was

1166
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:07,280
an assessment they'd probably wait one

1167
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:09,440
more year to assess it so you don't have

1168
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,160
» We finish that third year.

1169
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,280
» Yeah.

1170
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,560
» Or whatever.

1171
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,680
» Now you might be in two different

1172
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,200
drainage districts and for both of them

1173
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,920
on the same year and that is not

1174
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,520
uncommon.

1175
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,680
» Right. And I wanted to make sure that

1176
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,119
came out as well because you guys have

1177
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,680
said that before but I want to make sure

1178
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:28,400
that we're clear. You can have multiple

1179
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:31,119
drains in your area and they can be

1180
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,960
separately ass we do and they will be

1181
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:34,319
separately assessed but it could be

1182
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,000
happening at the same time.

1183
00:46:34,319 --> 00:46:36,880
» You are blessed with a lot of drains in

1184
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,760
Delta Township.

1185
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,760
» I know supervisor.

1186
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:48,800
» Any other questions? Yeah,

1187
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:52,319
» Thank you. Um so just a question on

1188
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:57,119
drain maintenance. Do you well and the

1189
00:46:52,319 --> 00:47:01,680
the 197 process is that something

1190
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:04,079
you redo on a regular basis re-evaluate?

1191
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,880
We've just gone through it sounds like

1192
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:09,520
you've done Delta Township assessed

1193
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:12,079
those drainage assessed is probably not

1194
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:14,880
the right word because we assess in a

1195
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:17,440
different way. you've evaluated those

1196
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:20,400
drainage district maps and adjusted

1197
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,000
those and

1198
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,800
um

1199
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:28,800
added or removed properties as deemed

1200
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:32,880
appropriate. How frequently can or would

1201
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:35,760
you be redoing the 197 process for

1202
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:38,000
drains? And I guess I'm not necessarily

1203
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,400
concerned about other communities in the

1204
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,400
county, but in Delta Township, like is

1205
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:45,200
that something every 10 years, every 20

1206
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,960
years, or we should be good for a long

1207
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,920
time because we have good technology now

1208
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:55,280
to to appropriately map.

1209
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:57,760
» So part of the 197 is um deals with

1210
00:47:55,280 --> 00:48:00,000
splits and combos for land. So, in the

1211
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,599
urbanized area, there's going to be a

1212
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,960
lot less chance of that happening on a

1213
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:04,000
regular basis because there's not going

1214
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,760
to you're not going to have the splits

1215
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,760
and combos. Uh you're not going to be

1216
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,319
selling parcels and dividing land and

1217
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,800
and changing that much. Uh more in the

1218
00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:14,319
rural areas, that'll happen. Um

1219
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,240
especially

1220
00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:18,560
more like Charlotte and and Onidita

1221
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:20,640
Township, Grand Lodge area that you

1222
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,640
would see that happen more often. But I

1223
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,319
would still say that that's it's not

1224
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,880
something that happens every 5 years

1225
00:48:24,319 --> 00:48:30,640
even and probably not even every 10

1226
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:33,200
years unless our roles are just that out

1227
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,319
of whack from what has happened

1228
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,920
» Land change wise.

1229
00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:38,559
» I don't think we would see that in our

1230
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,240
lifetimes with that we need to do this

1231
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:42,319
process again. We didn't have the

1232
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:44,240
statutory ability to do it for a hundred

1233
00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:46,319
years and then we got it you know in

1234
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:49,440
2014. So we're slowly making our way

1235
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:52,640
through. The big item that I saw in

1236
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:54,400
Carrier Creek watershed is anytime

1237
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:57,280
there's a development that changes the

1238
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:59,040
drainage pattern, that also changes

1239
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,599
where the drainage district boundaries

1240
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,520
are. And so I think we're going through

1241
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:05,280
the process if if a developer is going

1242
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,640
to change the drainage pattern and

1243
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,920
change districts, we're probably going

1244
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,760
to have them pay for the cost of

1245
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,599
updating the rules and the district

1246
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,480
boundaries now instead of the property

1247
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:16,880
owners to do that. We're we're doing a

1248
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,720
couple decades of catchup on these. And

1249
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:21,119
so I can tell you Chris and I went

1250
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:23,520
through Carrier Creek and who did what

1251
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:26,319
and Verdale Lakes and everything else

1252
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:29,599
from where it was originally um designed

1253
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:31,119
and it was like spaghetti like it felt

1254
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:32,400
like you were looking at spaghetti by

1255
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:34,000
the end of the day with all the changes

1256
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,760
that had made and we we went through

1257
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,040
that as this process and got it all

1258
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,880
worked out.

1259
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,319
» That clarity is really helpful. I

1260
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,359
appreciate that. And then just one

1261
00:49:40,319 --> 00:49:44,960
follow-up question if I may. Um, on the

1262
00:49:43,359 --> 00:49:46,880
maintenance side of things, because

1263
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:51,119
you're doing the work and then building

1264
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:53,280
for that, do you give notice

1265
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:55,520
in advance or do you have a schedule of

1266
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:59,040
what your plan of maintenance is for

1267
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:02,240
drains that property owners either one

1268
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:05,520
can be notified about or can find that

1269
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:07,760
information to know like, oh, we're

1270
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,920
coming up on another regular

1271
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,839
maintenance, regularly scheduled

1272
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:15,520
maintenance work on the drain that I'm

1273
00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:16,720
then I can expect an assessment to come

1274
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,800
following that.

1275
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:22,319
» So, generally maintenance through our

1276
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,680
office is probably 95% complaint based.

1277
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:25,359
So, a lot of the time we're out there

1278
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:28,720
doing maintenance because of an issue

1279
00:50:25,359 --> 00:50:30,400
that a resident called on. Um, and it's

1280
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:33,119
it's usually more than one resident.

1281
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,559
There's a flooding issue. So, that is

1282
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:36,559
one way that they know that we're coming

1283
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:38,640
out there. Also, we have to provide

1284
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:40,400
notice to the land owners if we're going

1285
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,880
to be on their property working on the

1286
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:46,960
drain. So there is notice with that as

1287
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:49,040
well. Um on a larger scale maintenance

1288
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,480
project, we try and bid those out to get

1289
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,359
the best price we can for the drain

1290
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,839
office and for the residents. Um and

1291
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:57,760
aside from that, we we do reach out to

1292
00:50:55,839 --> 00:50:59,760
our residents if they're in the affected

1293
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,359
area, whe whether it's going to be

1294
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,119
traffic wise or we're going to be

1295
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:04,079
digging in their yard, we we let them

1296
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:06,079
know.

1297
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:08,240
» Yeah. I I definitely I don't know if

1298
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:10,319
there's a better way to communicate

1299
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:12,720
because I know with some of these, you

1300
00:51:10,319 --> 00:51:14,640
know, there are folks that got added in

1301
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:17,119
um but even folks that have been in

1302
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,119
drain, you know, multiple drainage

1303
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:20,640
districts, they're used to getting small

1304
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:22,640
assessments

1305
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,680
and then all of a sudden it's like, oh,

1306
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:28,319
I've got a much larger one that I didn't

1307
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:31,920
budget for. And

1308
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:35,200
for some residents in the community,

1309
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:38,559
they just don't have the extra cash to

1310
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:41,599
cover those unplanned expenses and it

1311
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:43,280
really hits hard. Um, so if there's some

1312
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:44,880
way to know, I mean, when someone's

1313
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,559
seeing, you know, a couple hundred

1314
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,640
dollar assessment that they usually get

1315
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:51,119
a few dollars, I mean, that's big

1316
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:53,520
enough. It just they're not budgeting

1317
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:55,520
for it. It It's hard. And so I don't

1318
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,440
know if there's notice any kind of

1319
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,760
notification going out, but I'm guessing

1320
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,040
that was a larger maintenance project

1321
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,880
that

1322
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,480
» Yes. Yep. It was larger maintenance

1323
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,720
project. And and again, like Stacy

1324
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,319
touched on earlier, one thing that we do

1325
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:10,240
in the drain office is we look at the

1326
00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:13,359
assessment roles and we do look at it

1327
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:15,760
from an affordability standpoint. Um, I

1328
00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:17,920
mean myself, if I had to pay something

1329
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,760
like that, I look at that and see what

1330
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,599
would be more manageable. And if we've

1331
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,960
got to extend it out more than one or

1332
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:28,000
two years, we do that. So the burden is

1333
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:31,000
isn't as great over like a one-year

1334
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,000
period.

1335
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,920
» I appreciate that. And again, I think

1336
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:37,599
any notice that can be given because

1337
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,319
again, a lot of the property owners

1338
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:42,480
getting assessments don't have the drain

1339
00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:44,319
on their property. They don't know

1340
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:47,119
necessarily about that work, but they

1341
00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:48,640
get the bill after the fact. And again,

1342
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:50,800
they may not even know there was

1343
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:53,359
maintenance work ever even happening.

1344
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:55,920
And knowing there will be an assessment

1345
00:52:53,359 --> 00:52:57,839
coming and trying to plan for that, I

1346
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:00,720
think helps

1347
00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:01,520
tremendously for a lot of households.

1348
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:03,440
» Sure. Thank you.

1349
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,839
» And and I can pass that on to John to

1350
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,839
try and include that. Um you also have

1351
00:53:05,839 --> 00:53:10,000
to understand that the harder part is on

1352
00:53:07,839 --> 00:53:11,760
these larger districts. I mean, when we

1353
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,800
include the mailers out there, that's an

1354
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:16,559
added cost to send a mailer up to to

1355
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,920
notify everybody that there's going to

1356
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:20,640
be maintenance done and it's going to be

1357
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:23,760
on the assessment. So, um, as much as

1358
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,880
it's helpful, it's also an added cost.

1359
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,720
So,

1360
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,760
» Leave it on the website. I don't know if

1361
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:32,480
there's ways to put the schedule up. I

1362
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:35,520
Yeah, anything that can be a source of

1363
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:38,480
information. Thank you.

1364
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:40,240
» Thank you. Any other questions for this

1365
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,480
portion?

1366
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:46,599
Hearing none, we're on to the Keller

1367
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,599
drain petition and assessment.

1368
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,880
» I don't ever get to sit down. I don't

1369
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:54,480
think

1370
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:58,800
» I'm so the color drain is in the uh it

1371
00:53:54,480 --> 00:54:00,480
would be in the southeast quarter of

1372
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,880
Delta Township

1373
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:05,440
» And it's it's technically over there by

1374
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:08,000
Waverly and Jolly area obviously to the

1375
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,680
west of Jolly Road. Um it is just an

1376
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,640
eaten county drain is not in county

1377
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:15,040
shared with Ingam County. Um and we had

1378
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:17,119
some issues this last April where there

1379
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,920
was some major flooding happening. uh we

1380
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:23,599
had quite large volumes of rain that

1381
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:25,920
fell uh within about a two-eek period

1382
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:27,839
and working with the city of Lancing

1383
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,079
because that is their jurisdiction as

1384
00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:31,599
well. We went out there and we were

1385
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:33,359
assessing it. We were trying to fix it.

1386
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:36,319
We were trying to help it drain. There

1387
00:54:33,359 --> 00:54:40,319
was um especially two large areas. It'd

1388
00:54:36,319 --> 00:54:44,000
be just south of Jolly Road on Waverly.

1389
00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:46,079
Um, one is a developed area um, off of

1390
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,079
Old Farm Lane and there's like a

1391
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:50,400
detention area where the drain starts

1392
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:52,640
there. Um, there was major flooding

1393
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:55,119
causing uh, basement flooding for the

1394
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:57,040
residents in that area and then there's

1395
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:59,359
an area just a little bit north of that.

1396
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:01,200
That is the consumer's energy property

1397
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:02,640
where their easement runs through and a

1398
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:06,240
lot of people said it's the old railroad

1399
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:08,400
grade. Um, and that area flooded from

1400
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:12,400
April. I believe it didn't those two

1401
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:14,319
areas didn't dry up until about July. Um

1402
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,079
so the city of Lancing came to us and

1403
00:55:14,319 --> 00:55:19,440
they wanted to petition the drain for

1404
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:21,599
improvements to see if they could um

1405
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,920
stop that health hazard of that standing

1406
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:27,280
water for such long periods of time.

1407
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:30,240
We've done a survey of the drain um to

1408
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:32,640
see where it's at. And then the next

1409
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:34,800
step in the petition process is to hold

1410
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:37,440
a board of determination. There's going

1411
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:40,480
to be um three board members and an

1412
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:42,880
alternate and they all are disinterested

1413
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,480
parties. They do not live within Delta

1414
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,319
Township. They don't live within that

1415
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,440
district. They don't live in Windsor and

1416
00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:51,040
they don't live within the city of

1417
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:52,799
Lancing area either. Um they will review

1418
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,559
the evidence. They will review all the

1419
00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:56,880
notes that are taken on the drain from

1420
00:55:54,559 --> 00:56:00,319
the flooding issues and they will

1421
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:02,799
determine whether the um petition is

1422
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:04,559
necessary or unnecessary. If it's

1423
00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:07,839
unnecessary, that drain can't be

1424
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:09,520
petitioned again for another year. Um,

1425
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:11,839
and then we would just have to work

1426
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,680
through any issues with that drain

1427
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:16,960
through maintenance. And we're limited

1428
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:21,599
on on our dollar amount there as well.

1429
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:23,599
» Um, tell me the entryways to get in to

1430
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:26,880
request a

1431
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:28,240
drainage assessment. So, yeah. So, it

1432
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,000
sounds like like the city of Lancing

1433
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:32,400
came to you with this one and I know

1434
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:36,160
residents can, but how many residents

1435
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:38,160
does it take or can a municipality start

1436
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,079
that process? It sounds sounds like they

1437
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:43,520
can. Can you tell us the

1438
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:45,440
» Um the road commission MDA anyone m city

1439
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,240
village or township or five property

1440
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,400
owners?

1441
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:50,240
» Five property owners can talk and then

1442
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,799
it would go through this same process

1443
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:54,559
where there is a board of determination

1444
00:56:52,799 --> 00:56:58,160
that takes place. Is there a timeline

1445
00:56:54,559 --> 00:57:00,000
when that happens? Like so the five

1446
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,760
people will get it's a petition

1447
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,160
» The residents can sign.

1448
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,400
» Yep.

1449
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,920
» And then and then uh that drain

1450
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,000
commissioner can set up the board of

1451
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,880
determination after there's been a

1452
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,559
gathering of information. So the the

1453
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,319
color drain just went through that

1454
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:16,480
updating of its assessment role and

1455
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:18,079
drainage district boundaries. And so

1456
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,160
right now I can't remember exactly what

1457
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:22,079
Delta Township's portion of that was or

1458
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:24,799
percentage of that was, but that's

1459
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:26,400
likely very similar proportion moving

1460
00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:28,559
on. It's nothing like the bank inner

1461
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,160
county drain percent uh for Delta

1462
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:33,040
Township, nor do we envision this to be

1463
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:35,680
a project scope of a similar nature. So

1464
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,559
don't stress too much county will be

1465
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,839
assessed.

1466
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:39,040
» No, the city of Lancing will be

1467
00:57:37,839 --> 00:57:41,520
assessed, but not county.

1468
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:43,359
» Not the not the county.

1469
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,920
» Yep. Okay. And that's the first petition

1470
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:46,960
you've received in a couple of years. Is

1471
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,480
that correct?

1472
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:54,160
» Yeah. Um in probably three or four

1473
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:56,960
years, I believe. Y

1474
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,599
» So then unless there's other questions

1475
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,000
about that

1476
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:02,079
» About Keller,

1477
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,480
» When could we expect to get a map of

1478
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:05,599
this drain district?

1479
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,680
» All right. So

1480
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:09,599
» I believe there was a map of that drain

1481
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,839
district sent with the 197s that were

1482
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:13,440
done this year. I don't know if it was

1483
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:15,760
the first batch or I think it was the

1484
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,680
first batch that was sent. So the top

1485
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,240
chip was sent that information. Brian

1486
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,880
should have that.

1487
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,839
» So it's it's buried in the 197 multiple

1488
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,200
different

1489
00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:24,960
» Have a PowerPoint that we're going to be

1490
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,480
showing tomorrow night of the board of

1491
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,160
determination. We can certainly email

1492
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,240
that to Brian

1493
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,760
» Just for yourformational purposes unless

1494
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,119
you want to come tonight and watch or

1495
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,559
tomorrow night watch. We'll be happy to

1496
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:36,240
have you.

1497
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:38,319
» That would have been in the it would

1498
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:43,200
have been in our it was I believe it was

1499
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:44,880
June. There was a June when we had three

1500
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:47,680
» Um

1501
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:50,160
» Yeah I can't remember if I I may have

1502
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,880
included it in this packet as well.

1503
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,160
» It's in this packet

1504
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:55,119
» 300 pages in this one.

1505
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:57,280
» Yeah the audience

1506
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:58,799
» For tomorrow night

1507
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,040
» Page what' you say

1508
00:58:58,799 --> 00:59:03,680
» 25 of this packet.

1509
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:05,920
» Thank you. I believe I don't want to

1510
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:09,760
speak. I I believe for this assessment

1511
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:14,000
the township at large was either 4% or

1512
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:15,680
9%. It was a small amount on the less

1513
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:18,559
there's a lot less of the township

1514
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:20,480
within the district. Yes.

1515
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:21,440
» Yep.

1516
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,480
» Okay.

1517
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:28,480
» Okay. The last one

1518
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:30,640
» The last one is an ask of the township.

1519
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,400
So, we have a PowerPoint for this one

1520
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:36,160
and I believe this information is also

1521
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:39,839
in your board packet. And this is a a

1522
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:41,920
problem that that um Marcus can go

1523
00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:45,440
through the specifics of what's actually

1524
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:47,359
happening, but we're asking for uh the

1525
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,680
township to enter into an agreement with

1526
00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:52,559
the drainage district because some

1527
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:54,720
things can be done. We can't do this

1528
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:57,920
without either a petition or an

1529
00:59:54,720 --> 01:00:01,040
agreement to do it. and an agreement to

1530
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,720
do it um means that the township pays

1531
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,079
for it instead of the property owners,

1532
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,520
but it means we don't have to get a

1533
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:08,000
petition to do it, which is a much

1534
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:10,799
lengthier, more expensive overall

1535
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,559
process. And so, uh I'll leave that to

1536
01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:14,240
Marcus to I just wanted to let you know

1537
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:15,359
where we were going before we started

1538
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:18,240
the conversation. So,

1539
01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:22,559
» Thank you. Thank you.

1540
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:24,799
» Okay, first slide, please.

1541
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:28,079
So, the Clemenson Underh Hill drain is

1542
01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:30,240
over on um Mount Hope over by Lancing

1543
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:31,920
Road. Um and it actually goes a lot

1544
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,359
further. It goes across Lancing Road.

1545
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,920
There's different portions, but the

1546
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:38,799
portion that um I'm coming to you guys

1547
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:42,400
with tonight is this area. It's between

1548
01:00:38,799 --> 01:00:44,960
the GM parts plant and um the brewery

1549
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:47,839
there on Mount Hope.

1550
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:49,599
Um,

1551
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:52,880
one issue that we're having, next slide

1552
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:54,880
please, is the existing drain. As you

1553
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:57,680
can see, it diagonals. It goes under

1554
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:59,040
both of those uh structures there. It

1555
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,720
goes directly underneath the one house

1556
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,960
and it goes under the garage on the on

1557
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:06,880
the house to the east.

1558
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:09,359
Um, so what we are asking is

1559
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:11,359
to Well, it's not in this slide either.

1560
01:01:09,359 --> 01:01:13,040
We're asking to relocate that section of

1561
01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:16,000
drain and eliminate that because there's

1562
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:18,799
a lot of flooding between um those three

1563
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:20,720
houses and then the one over um there's

1564
01:01:18,799 --> 01:01:21,839
one over to the east as well.

1565
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,319
» Yep.

1566
01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:26,400
» There we go.

1567
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:28,880
» And in the again in the April storms

1568
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,880
that we had, we received a lot of phone

1569
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,400
calls on a very regular basis that the

1570
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,480
water was creeping up to their door.

1571
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,319
There was water in their basement. um

1572
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,720
they could not do anything and they were

1573
01:01:36,319 --> 01:01:41,119
asking for help and you know the drain

1574
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:43,200
was working the best that it could but

1575
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:44,960
it is a 10-inch drain that goes from the

1576
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:47,599
top part up there and diagonals under

1577
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:50,319
the house and it's very old and it goes

1578
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:53,440
way down before it even gets to a pond.

1579
01:01:50,319 --> 01:01:56,640
Um, so what we're asking in the 425

1580
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:59,359
agreement is to use a directional bore

1581
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:02,240
and drill a new line from the manhole

1582
01:01:59,359 --> 01:02:04,240
there on the north end and drill all the

1583
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,559
way across Mount Hope and set a new

1584
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:08,799
structure where there's the Clemenson

1585
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:10,960
underhill drain is also there and that's

1586
01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:12,880
a 60-in line there. So it would be able

1587
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:17,000
to handle the flow from everything

1588
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:17,000
coming from that north end.

1589
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:27,599
So I can handle this part. So

1590
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,520
in order to relocate the route and

1591
01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:31,280
course of the drain and this is this is

1592
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,359
beyond maintenance. So this is like

1593
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,040
moving pipe. We either need to get a

1594
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:37,440
petition for this and if we open it up

1595
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:39,680
to a petition it's a very costly and

1596
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:42,480
lengthy process or we can do it under an

1597
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:46,240
agreement um under the drain code. And

1598
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:48,720
so we're asking for uh permission or an

1599
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:51,440
agreement with the township to perform

1600
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:55,040
the maintenance uh subject to us getting

1601
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:56,480
a a drain or an a new easement from the

1602
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,880
property owner. I want to explain a

1603
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:01,440
little bit like how did you let this

1604
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:04,720
happen that somebody built a house over

1605
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,400
the top of the drain? This happens quite

1606
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:09,839
often. We dealt with this problem on the

1607
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:11,920
banker county drain a lot. Um, and that

1608
01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:13,920
is because the legislature chose

1609
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:16,880
historically for any drain easement

1610
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:18,400
obtained before 1956, it was validly

1611
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,680
recorded in the office of the drain

1612
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:24,000
commissioner, not in the register of

1613
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:26,880
deeds. And so if you're a homeowner

1614
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:28,720
going to buy a piece of property, you

1615
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,720
don't know that there's a drain easement

1616
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:32,559
there. And then there's an exception in

1617
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,880
the title work that says we don't check

1618
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:37,520
with the drain office

1619
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,960
on drain easements. And so this happens

1620
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,319
from time to time. If the building

1621
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,559
department doesn't check with the drain

1622
01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:44,240
office, then then these things happen.

1623
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:46,720
So the reason I'm mentioning it, that's

1624
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:48,400
how this happened. But also in that 197

1625
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,720
and the cost for that for these the

1626
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,559
drains we did this year, we included the

1627
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,000
cost of going and getting those

1628
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:55,280
historical easements that are in the

1629
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,880
drain commissioner's office and

1630
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:59,520
recording. We're going to record them in

1631
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:01,119
the register of deeds for those pre-1956

1632
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,799
easements to try to avoid these types of

1633
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:04,160
problems in the future. So all the

1634
01:04:02,799 --> 01:04:06,960
drains that we're going to be working on

1635
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,640
and levying assessments for in Eaton uh

1636
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,079
in Eaton County all over, but

1637
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,680
specifically Delta Township, we're going

1638
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:13,440
to try to start recording those

1639
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:15,599
historicalments so they do show up in

1640
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,920
the title work and we can avoid any more

1641
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:20,000
of these problems.

1642
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,839
And so then um Marcus worked with the

1643
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:24,319
engineer to come up in the next slide

1644
01:04:21,839 --> 01:04:29,400
with the with what that would look like

1645
01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:29,400
and then and then a potential cost.

1646
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,119
» Okay. So again, you can see the existing

1647
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,440
drain goes underneath those two

1648
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:38,799
structures. Um, and what we're asking in

1649
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:41,119
the agreement is for Delta to cover the

1650
01:04:38,799 --> 01:04:45,039
cost of going from the north end across

1651
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:48,079
south, boring a new 12-in line, um, and

1652
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:49,760
tying into the 60-in main. Um, also

1653
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:52,799
there's a picture there. Those folks at

1654
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:54,799
that house, um, she calls very often

1655
01:04:52,799 --> 01:04:56,720
under heavy rain events. So that

1656
01:04:54,799 --> 01:04:59,599
structure set in her yard is essentially

1657
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:01,200
an outdoor sump croc and she's got cords

1658
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:02,720
running up to her house and she plugs it

1659
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:06,079
in during heavy rain events because it

1660
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:07,599
gets so deep you can't even um get back

1661
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:09,760
there to set a new pump or anything

1662
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:11,920
else. So there's always a pump there.

1663
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:14,160
She has also has one in her front yard

1664
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:16,960
and they just pump out to the road and

1665
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:18,640
go down the catch basins and the drain.

1666
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:21,760
Um,

1667
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:25,440
so I did work with Brian a little bit on

1668
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:27,039
the um, pricing. He asked me to get in

1669
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:30,079
contact with a couple contractors that

1670
01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:32,799
the township uses regularly for boring

1671
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:34,559
projects that you guys may have. Uh, we

1672
01:05:32,799 --> 01:05:37,599
reached out to them. We also had a

1673
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:39,280
couple of our own. Um,

1674
01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:43,280
the price that we have for directional

1675
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:47,119
drill on this one would be 61,165.

1676
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:49,839
Um, then we've got the 4ft catch basins,

1677
01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:53,520
12-in storm sewer line, uh, for the

1678
01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:56,400
boore. Um, all in total with engineering

1679
01:05:53,520 --> 01:06:00,000
costs and surveying, we're we're at

1680
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:03,520
approximately $99,915.

1681
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:06,640
Um, again, this is a a large ask, I

1682
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:08,880
know, but we're trying to avoid doing a

1683
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:11,280
petition and remedy a flooding issue

1684
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:14,280
that is ongoing.

1685
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,280
Any

1686
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:19,680
questions? Yes, Trusty Cascarella and

1687
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:22,960
then Treasure Feet.

1688
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:25,440
» How many I have a couple questions. How

1689
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:29,359
many

1690
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:31,920
property owners are in this,

1691
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:35,200
if it were an assessment, how many

1692
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:37,599
property owners would be paying

1693
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:41,200
for this improvement?

1694
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:43,920
» I can get that information or Brian. Oh,

1695
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:45,680
» And then my other question, and I don't

1696
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:50,880
know if you know the answer to this. You

1697
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:54,559
mentioned the work being done to I guess

1698
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:57,920
more to prevent.

1699
01:06:54,559 --> 01:07:00,160
I I think my concern is I understand um

1700
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:03,359
I I feel for the property owners that

1701
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:05,280
are being flooded to this severity.

1702
01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:07,920
Um,

1703
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:11,599
but I don't know if we have any sense of

1704
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:14,559
how many more homes we have sitting on

1705
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:16,720
drains that we may run into the same

1706
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:19,440
situation and are we creating a

1707
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:22,160
precedent that the township's going to

1708
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:23,599
carry all that cost for all these

1709
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:27,039
mistake. I don't know whose

1710
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:28,559
responsibility and what you know if

1711
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:31,359
there's

1712
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:35,520
fault where the fault lies and and how

1713
01:07:31,359 --> 01:07:38,079
you have homes permitted to be built on

1714
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:41,960
drains and creating these issues I guess

1715
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:41,960
over time. Um,

1716
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:49,359
but I I worry this could be a huge

1717
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:52,559
problem throughout the township

1718
01:07:49,359 --> 01:07:55,760
and we have I'm guessing no kind of

1719
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:57,440
sense of what that could be unless you

1720
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:59,200
do.

1721
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:02,000
» Uh, and this is one thing that Brian and

1722
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:04,400
I talked about when I was preparing this

1723
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,920
information to give to the board. uh he

1724
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,160
was concerned about the same thing and

1725
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:10,559
and I just said, you know, one thing you

1726
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:12,559
need to remember is there's there's

1727
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:15,119
about two options to fix this flooding

1728
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:17,759
issue and one would be a petition, which

1729
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:20,400
as we know the the cost for the township

1730
01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:23,359
would be a lot higher than the $100,000

1731
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:24,799
that we are requesting. Um the other

1732
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:26,640
portion of it, when you open up a

1733
01:08:24,799 --> 01:08:28,640
petition, you get the the board of

1734
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,400
determination meeting where a resident

1735
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:32,480
can speak up and say, "Well, what about

1736
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:34,480
my area? What about this area?" So,

1737
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:36,960
we're focusing with this agreement on

1738
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:39,279
one particular area where a petition

1739
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,880
process can open it up to the entire

1740
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,400
drainage district if people are having

1741
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:44,719
issues.

1742
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:46,640
» Yeah. So, if there is So, we Chris

1743
01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:48,719
looked it up. There's 333 property

1744
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:52,880
owners in the Clement Underh Hill

1745
01:08:48,719 --> 01:08:56,960
District. So, absent a petition or this

1746
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:59,440
agreement, we cannot fix the problem.

1747
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:02,000
Um, so we're trying to fix the problem

1748
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:03,759
in a more financially efficient way that

1749
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:06,560
has its pros and cons. That's why we're

1750
01:09:03,759 --> 01:09:08,319
presenting it to you. Um, than than just

1751
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:11,319
going to a big petition project each

1752
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:11,319
time.

1753
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:16,960
» Thank you. I understand this right is

1754
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:20,400
that if it goes through petition

1755
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:23,279
process, then it could be expanded to

1756
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:26,080
the entire drainage district. Correct.

1757
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:27,679
» Yeah. So when you do a petition um then

1758
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:29,600
you have to look at the entire drain,

1759
01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:33,040
not even the what the petitioner's ask

1760
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:35,839
is and as you folks have PA222 issues

1761
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:37,359
with storm with sanitary sewers. When

1762
01:09:35,839 --> 01:09:40,000
we're doing a project, we have to make

1763
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:42,000
sure that we're not leaving a defect in

1764
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,839
the system. So we have to look at the

1765
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,440
entire drain from top to bottom with a

1766
01:09:43,839 --> 01:09:48,239
petition to make sure there's no defects

1767
01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:49,600
and fix all of them at that time. which

1768
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:52,239
again when you're talking about

1769
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:54,400
100-year-old drains there's a lot this

1770
01:09:52,239 --> 01:09:57,440
pipe is old there's a lot of problems

1771
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:59,120
and so we either can't help her we open

1772
01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:01,120
it up to a petition to look at the

1773
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,640
entire drain or we deal with this issue

1774
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,000
in this manner is kind of what we're

1775
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,960
looking at now

1776
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:09,199
» So in comparison with the bank inner

1777
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:11,920
county uh it was determined that the

1778
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:15,280
township was responsible for 25% of the

1779
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:18,480
cost if this was to be

1780
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:20,719
a a drain districtwide petition, for

1781
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:22,480
example, what would the township's

1782
01:10:20,719 --> 01:10:25,120
percentage be of that?

1783
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:26,719
» So, we would look at the situation with

1784
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,560
the petition itself, but I think Chris

1785
01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:30,480
is looking up your historic percentage

1786
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,239
during petitions. We're not always

1787
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:34,159
settled with the exact same percentage.

1788
01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:36,719
We'd have to look at that. We haven't

1789
01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:38,880
looked at the drain itself if it was

1790
01:10:36,719 --> 01:10:42,480
petitioned, what the wide array of other

1791
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:44,480
issues are that we'd have to to uh fix

1792
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:46,800
during it. And so I don't have the math

1793
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:48,960
to tell you whether it's going to be a

1794
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:51,760
million-doll project and you're at 10%

1795
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:54,640
or it's going to be, you know,

1796
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:59,040
» If the township were the board to decide

1797
01:10:54,640 --> 01:11:01,280
to be generous and,

1798
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:03,760
you know, um,

1799
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:06,640
spend $100,000 to help a few residents

1800
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:08,080
out. Do we have any legal authority to

1801
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,000
be able to assess them? Anything for

1802
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:13,040
partial of the cost?

1803
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:15,040
So I am not your legal counsel, but

1804
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:18,560
generally when you enter into that

1805
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:19,840
agreement, it's a general fund expense.

1806
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,920
» When a township I'm not going to give

1807
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,600
you legal when a township enters into

1808
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,480
that type of agreement in my experience

1809
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,719
has been a general fund.

1810
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:28,800
» No, I understand that. But do we have

1811
01:11:26,719 --> 01:11:30,239
and we may have to have some legal, you

1812
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,320
know, counsel on that, but I'm just

1813
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:34,960
wondering if we have any legal authority

1814
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:36,800
to be able to assess the

1815
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,800
» Normally you'd have to. So, normally I'm

1816
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:40,400
going to answer in the hypothetical

1817
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:43,120
abstract, not for your particular

1818
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:46,480
situation. The only time a township can

1819
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:48,159
normally assess uh for drain work is if

1820
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:51,280
it's a chapter 20 drain, which is this

1821
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:53,040
is not, or you create a um you take it

1822
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:55,440
over, I guess, and create a 188

1823
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:57,040
district. But normally, you can't assess

1824
01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:58,560
back to property owners for drain

1825
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:00,159
projects. No, no township can.

1826
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:02,080
» Is this drain that's underneath this

1827
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:05,560
property, is that a functioning drain or

1828
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:05,560
is it not?

1829
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,360
Not really. It's it's because of the

1830
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:11,440
size of it and the foil water that comes

1831
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,960
to it. It backs up and that's what's

1832
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:15,280
cing causing a lot of the flooding

1833
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:17,520
issues. And that's why we want to upsize

1834
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:20,000
the pipe to a 12 in and bring it and

1835
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:23,600
give it to that 60in across mile hole to

1836
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:25,360
give it a place to go.

1837
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,360
» Do we know how old that portion of the

1838
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:30,239
drain is?

1839
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:31,199
» Uh I don't know off the top of my head

1840
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:32,640
that one. No.

1841
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:35,520
» Billions and billions of years.

1842
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:37,360
percentage is 15%

1843
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:40,360
for this drain.

1844
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,360
» Okay.

1845
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:47,280
» About 15%.

1846
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:48,800
» Yeah, between. Do we know how old that

1847
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:51,679
drain is?

1848
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:53,600
» Okay. And do we know when that house was

1849
01:12:51,679 --> 01:12:55,199
built on top of it?

1850
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:57,280
» We do not.

1851
01:12:55,199 --> 01:13:00,640
» Okay.

1852
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:02,640
Might be good to have that information.

1853
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,719
» Thank you.

1854
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:09,719
of it. Trusty,

1855
01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:09,719
» Why this particular flooding area?

1856
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:14,320
» There are probably other areas in the

1857
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:17,040
township that have flooding due to

1858
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:18,560
insufficient draining. Why this one in

1859
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:20,960
particular?

1860
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:23,199
» This one has received a lot of calls in

1861
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:25,520
the last few years uh for the flooding

1862
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:27,760
issue and there's there's nothing more

1863
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,280
we can do for it. A lot of the other

1864
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:31,440
there there's some other areas of the

1865
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:34,080
township that have flooding issues that

1866
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:36,880
we've been actively working on uh

1867
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:40,400
rotoring the line on a very regular

1868
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:42,400
basis until we can get to a point where

1869
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:44,480
we can do a lot more maintenance and

1870
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:49,360
expend more maintenance dollars for that

1871
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:51,199
for the repair. Um I think portions of

1872
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:54,400
those areas that flood like that would

1873
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:57,840
be within the bank district as well. So

1874
01:13:54,400 --> 01:14:00,000
to assess them, multiple assessments for

1875
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:04,400
um a petition project or a larger

1876
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:06,239
project. Um we just don't see that fit

1877
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:09,600
to do to folks right now.

1878
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:11,679
» This drain was established in 1894 and

1879
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:13,199
it looks like the perhaps the last time

1880
01:14:11,679 --> 01:14:15,199
that part of the drain was worked on is

1881
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:16,800
probably going to be about 1950.

1882
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:19,440
» Okay.

1883
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:23,360
» Has the residents in this area ever

1884
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:24,239
petitioned for this? And if so,

1885
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,679
» No,

1886
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:28,719
» You know, I don't know if it was denied,

1887
01:14:25,679 --> 01:14:31,679
what what happened. I'm surprised really

1888
01:14:28,719 --> 01:14:35,199
with the number of years of of drain

1889
01:14:31,679 --> 01:14:37,840
issues that they haven't petitioned. I'm

1890
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:40,320
surprised we're at this place. But it's

1891
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:42,560
only these two houses that have this

1892
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,040
flooding issue from this portion of the

1893
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,280
drain.

1894
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:48,000
» I believe there's uh three houses there.

1895
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:50,800
» Okay. So, three houses out of 333

1896
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:52,239
property owners in the whole drain. But

1897
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:54,080
you don't know if there's a history of

1898
01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:55,199
any petitions?

1899
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:58,320
» Not that I'm aware of. I know.

1900
01:14:55,199 --> 01:15:00,080
» Oh. Um, in 2019 there was a resolution

1901
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:03,040
to exceed on the Clemens and Underh Hill

1902
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:05,120
drain. Um, but that was a portion of the

1903
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:06,800
drain that is way further to the east.

1904
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:10,719
Um, it's on the other side of Lancing

1905
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:12,960
Road and that was to armor the bank of

1906
01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:14,400
an open channel portion of the drain.

1907
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,159
And when I say armor, I mean they

1908
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,760
brought in a bunch of boulders and

1909
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:19,120
brought it down both sides because there

1910
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,320
were slumping issues where it kept

1911
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,719
eroding.

1912
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:25,280
keep having to dig it out every year.

1913
01:15:22,719 --> 01:15:29,679
» So besides 1894, there was projects in

1914
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:32,000
1938, 1950. There was a project in 1989,

1915
01:15:29,679 --> 01:15:35,760
but I think that was to add a branch.

1916
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:37,840
And then there was um uh agreements like

1917
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:40,320
these this 425 we're suggesting with

1918
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:42,320
General Motors and then with Snow Road

1919
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:44,239
Property LLC. Those are that's the

1920
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:46,400
activities. But we haven't had, you

1921
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:47,920
know, in this century a petition from

1922
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:50,320
proper.

1923
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:52,320
» Sorry. Well, you said this century. So,

1924
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:56,159
I mean, that tells you an impact. We're

1925
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:57,199
already like so far into the century.

1926
01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:59,280
» There's no

1927
01:15:57,199 --> 01:16:01,440
» Both of those properties are were built

1928
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:04,480
approximately 55 years ago,

1929
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:05,600
» Right? Okay. Thank you. according to our

1930
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:08,239
question

1931
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:10,400
» If there

1932
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:13,520
we want to

1933
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:15,360
deal with

1934
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:18,239
right

1935
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:20,960
» So is there anything else that you have

1936
01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:22,560
for us tonight that's

1937
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:24,159
quite a bit and we appreciate you coming

1938
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:27,040
out I know how crazy your schedules

1939
01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:30,239
crazy busy they are um with this

1940
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:33,120
particular request um it will be if it

1941
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:35,520
is of the interest of the board to bring

1942
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:38,000
it back to a meeting to have it take

1943
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:40,800
action, we will do that. I'm not seeing

1944
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:42,719
that right at this time, but if it is

1945
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:45,360
the desire of the board and you want

1946
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:47,520
this to come back uh on an agenda,

1947
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:49,760
please let Brian or myself know. But

1948
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:51,360
right as of now, thank you for the

1949
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,600
presentation and the request.

1950
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:56,760
» Thank you for having me.

1951
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,760
Thank you.

1952
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,440
Okay, believe it or not, we haven't

1953
01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:10,080
approved the agenda yet. We haven't

1954
01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:12,719
gotten down to that part. So, this is

1955
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:15,679
the time for the board to approve the

1956
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:19,280
agenda, but I'd like to recommend to um

1957
01:17:15,679 --> 01:17:20,719
amendments uh to the agenda. Before we

1958
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:23,520
move forward with that, it's going to be

1959
01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:27,679
item number 10, uh set a public hearing

1960
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:30,719
for the FY 2027 budget. And item number

1961
01:17:27,679 --> 01:17:32,960
13, the intergovernmental police service

1962
01:17:30,719 --> 01:17:35,920
agreement for Waverly Schools, their

1963
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:37,920
school resources officer. So, if there

1964
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:40,960
is a motion to accept the amended

1965
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:43,280
agenda, I would greatly appreciate it.

1966
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,000
» And is there support?

1967
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:47,840
» Support.

1968
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:49,520
» Thank you. All right. Any discussion?

1969
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,960
And we're going to do a roll call vote

1970
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:53,760
on this because we've amended the

1971
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:55,120
agenda. Treasurer Fidel is going to help

1972
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,600
us with that tonight.

1973
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,880
» All right. Trusty Kasparella.

1974
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,000
» Yes.

1975
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,800
» Trusty Lyman.

1976
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,400
» Hi.

1977
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,600
» Trusty Moa.

1978
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,600
» Trusty Mullen.

1979
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,120
» Yes.

1980
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,560
» Yes.

1981
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,520
» Uh, Supervisor Brewer.

1982
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,920
» Yes.

1983
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:14,480
» And

1984
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:15,679
exposing the affirmative to the agenda.

1985
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:17,520
» Thank you. That motion passes

1986
01:18:15,679 --> 01:18:19,920
unanimously. We are going to move

1987
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,920
further down on our agenda. And we have

1988
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:23,840
one communication item that was in your

1989
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:26,719
packet and for the public to review.

1990
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:28,880
That's the BWL wholesale water rate

1991
01:18:26,719 --> 01:18:31,600
adjustment and the details for that

1992
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:33,920
again was in the packet for all of you.

1993
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:36,159
We are now down to public comment and

1994
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:38,239
we'd welcome public comment from our

1995
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:39,440
community. Um if there's something we'd

1996
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:41,840
like to discuss, you're going to be

1997
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:43,760
addressing the board. Uh we would be

1998
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:46,480
happy for you to do that. We are not

1999
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:48,800
going to answer during the public

2000
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:51,440
comment, but a board member may provide

2001
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:53,760
feedback or comment later on or you may

2002
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:55,040
see someone from administration may uh

2003
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,960
try to see you if there was something

2004
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:59,440
that they could help you with after the

2005
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:01,360
meeting. So, you will have we welcome

2006
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:02,800
you to three minutes to come and speak

2007
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:05,040
to us for three minutes. If there's

2008
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,400
anything you desire to do, you'll just

2009
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:09,880
need to come up and give your name and

2010
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,880
address, please.

2011
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,520
» Thank you.

2012
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:16,719
» Well, hello. Welcome.

2013
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:23,280
» My name is FA Norris and I live at 616

2014
01:19:16,719 --> 01:19:25,840
Kenway Drive, Delta Township. And um I'm

2015
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:27,360
addressing the policy update on data

2016
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:30,960
centers.

2017
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:33,760
And I would just like to say that I

2018
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:36,320
would that I feel that it would be good

2019
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:40,800
to have a one-year moratorum on data

2020
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:43,679
centers. Um there's it's a political

2021
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:46,159
major issue right now, but it's one

2022
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:50,320
thing that the Democrats and Republicans

2023
01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:53,679
agree on that that um the great majority

2024
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:55,760
of people, the public are against them.

2025
01:19:53,679 --> 01:19:59,040
You know, you see that all over the

2026
01:19:55,760 --> 01:20:02,719
country, protests and everything and

2027
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:06,560
meetings and and they did a study where

2028
01:20:02,719 --> 01:20:08,640
at least 86% of the people oppose them

2029
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:12,560
in their area.

2030
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:15,360
And also a lot of politicians that are

2031
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:18,880
running for office, they're part of

2032
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:21,679
their agenda is they're opposed to data

2033
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:25,040
centers

2034
01:20:21,679 --> 01:20:29,600
um trying to win votes by saying they're

2035
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:31,199
opposed to them. And um I just want to

2036
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:34,000
mention the Michigan Township

2037
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:36,640
Association recently released a draft

2038
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:39,920
ordinance regulating the development and

2039
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:42,880
operation of data centers and townships.

2040
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:46,080
But there's just a lot of um unanswered

2041
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:49,760
questions as to the effects of the on

2042
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:51,600
the environment and on humans.

2043
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:54,480
And

2044
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:58,000
I would I would feel better if a

2045
01:20:54,480 --> 01:21:02,080
third-party environmental study was made

2046
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:05,440
by an independent engineering firm

2047
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:09,600
to um look at all the environmental

2048
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:13,360
effects on um humans and animals and

2049
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:18,960
everything. And

2050
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:22,800
it my my big desire would be to um if we

2051
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:26,000
could vote on issues like this.

2052
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:29,120
Um I'm not sure if that's ever an

2053
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:33,280
option, but if the township

2054
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:38,560
um I just don't feel should be seeking

2055
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:42,239
tax incent um offering tax incentives.

2056
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:45,120
So, it's kind of seeking data centers by

2057
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:48,560
offering tax incentives.

2058
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:52,639
And if anything, they should be offering

2059
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:56,199
incentives to us and possibly doing a

2060
01:21:52,639 --> 01:21:56,199
bidding process

2061
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:03,520
if they so chose if there was more than

2062
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:08,000
one that they should compete and offer

2063
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:10,880
us the best deal we could get. But

2064
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:14,239
basically, I'm against them coming and

2065
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:17,120
and I would like to I I moved here

2066
01:22:14,239 --> 01:22:19,920
because I feel like, you know, this is I

2067
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:23,840
lived in Lancing and I moved here out of

2068
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:28,320
the big bustle and you know, of Lancing

2069
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:31,520
and to because there's more um green

2070
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:34,480
space and I just hate to see all of that

2071
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:36,000
taken up with industry.

2072
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:37,040
» Thank you. Your three minutes are up and

2073
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,280
thank you for your comments.

2074
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:42,760
» Okay, thank you.

2075
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:42,760
» Anyone else?

2076
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:48,320
» Not seeing any movement. We will

2077
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:51,920
continue on with the agenda. We are at

2078
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:53,920
the consent agenda. What is the desire

2079
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:56,719
board?

2080
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:58,239
» I move to

2081
01:22:56,719 --> 01:22:58,800
consent agenda as presented.

2082
01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:00,560
» Support.

2083
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,320
» It's been moved and supported. Any

2084
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:04,159
discussion?

2085
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,840
» Hearing none. Treasurer Fido, will you

2086
01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:09,199
do a roll call, please?

2087
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:10,560
» Trusty Bowen,

2088
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:12,719
» Trusty Moika made the

2089
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:15,440
» I thought you made the motion.

2090
01:23:12,719 --> 01:23:16,639
» Okay. Trusty Mo.

2091
01:23:15,440 --> 01:23:17,840
» Yes. But

2092
01:23:16,639 --> 01:23:18,880
» Thank you.

2093
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,639
» I supported it.

2094
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,679
» Okay.

2095
01:23:20,639 --> 01:23:24,480
» I'm good at this job.

2096
01:23:21,679 --> 01:23:25,040
» We're trying to help.

2097
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:26,400
» Lyman.

2098
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,600
» Hi.

2099
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,080
» Trusty Kasparella.

2100
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,560
» Yes.

2101
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,040
» Treasure Fed. Yes. Supervisor Brewer.

2102
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,040
» Yes. Please.

2103
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:35,760
» Six in the affirmative. Excellent. That

2104
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:40,159
motion passes unanimously. We are now

2105
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:42,639
down to let's see items of new business.

2106
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:46,239
Uh our first is item number 11. And I

2107
01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:48,560
see Mr. Mensu coming right up to talk to

2108
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:50,560
us about the resoning request for the

2109
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:52,880
eye development. Number 11.

2110
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,679
» Thank you. Good evening. I'm Peter Mens.

2111
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:54,960
I'm the planning and economic

2112
01:23:53,679 --> 01:23:56,719
development director here at Delta

2113
01:23:54,960 --> 01:24:01,040
Township.

2114
01:23:56,719 --> 01:24:04,080
Starting on page 216 of your 383 page

2115
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:06,400
packet today, um you'll see a memo from

2116
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:08,880
me regarding the proposed reszoning from

2117
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:11,360
I development. The request is to reszone

2118
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:13,920
almost 54 acres located on the east side

2119
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:16,560
of South Marketplace Boulevard north of

2120
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:19,679
uh West St. Joseph Highway

2121
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:21,600
from a mix of office or mix of office

2122
01:24:19,679 --> 01:24:23,360
and agricultural. So agricultural,

2123
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:26,560
residential, and office. there's split

2124
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:29,280
zoning um approximately

2125
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:33,199
40 acres of office and 13 acres of AG2

2126
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:34,880
land to RM multiple family and there's a

2127
01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:36,880
condition on this resonance was

2128
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:38,960
voluntarily offered by the applicant to

2129
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,800
limit development on the project site in

2130
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:43,760
this case the project site being that 54

2131
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:46,080
acres to a maximum of 480 dwelling units

2132
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:49,679
total.

2133
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:51,600
So the request um is basically the

2134
01:24:49,679 --> 01:24:53,600
entire there's a a location map in your

2135
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:56,639
meeting packet but is the area around

2136
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:59,679
executive court that is cited really um

2137
01:24:56,639 --> 01:25:02,239
surrounding executive court bounded by

2138
01:24:59,679 --> 01:25:04,400
um Interstate 9669

2139
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:07,679
west St. Joseph Highway on the south and

2140
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:09,040
then Marketplace Boulevard on the west.

2141
01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:11,440
The planning commission had a public

2142
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:14,159
hearing on this at their meeting last

2143
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:15,679
Monday of the September 14 and they

2144
01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:18,159
voted to recommend approval of the

2145
01:25:15,679 --> 01:25:19,840
request based on four five reasons. I

2146
01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:21,280
want to go over these because they come

2147
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:23,280
up in the staff memo to the plan

2148
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:25,199
commission as well. And keep in mind

2149
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:27,679
this is the first reasonzoning that has

2150
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:30,080
been considered under the township's new

2151
01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:31,600
uh 2026 master plan. So, it's a little

2152
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:34,080
bit different and I did include a couple

2153
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:37,280
of the references

2154
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:39,280
for this area in the materials for the

2155
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:41,199
planning commission to consider and for

2156
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:43,040
and also you also see everything that

2157
01:25:41,199 --> 01:25:44,320
the planning commission saw. So I just

2158
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:47,280
wanted to make that kind of connection

2159
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:49,040
because there this particular area was

2160
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:51,840
identified as a potential developable

2161
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:54,880
area in our draft master part no longer

2162
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:58,320
draft adopted master plan

2163
01:25:54,880 --> 01:26:00,639
» And it's um kind of an area that is

2164
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:02,560
zoned office and there's a question of

2165
01:26:00,639 --> 01:26:04,400
whether or not office zoning is really

2166
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:06,639
viable in that area and the office

2167
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:09,600
market in general has been pretty soft.

2168
01:26:06,639 --> 01:26:11,920
Um, so the master plan envisions a

2169
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:15,760
different look here of of mixed or

2170
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:19,679
excuse me of port port of mixed use and

2171
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:20,960
multiple family. So the five items that

2172
01:26:19,679 --> 01:26:23,360
the planning commission based their

2173
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:25,280
recommendation of approval on are that

2174
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:27,679
the resoning meets the criteria

2175
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:29,280
specified in the zoning ordinance. So

2176
01:26:27,679 --> 01:26:32,400
there are specific criteria those are

2177
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:33,840
enumerated in the staff memo. subject

2178
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:36,080
set meets the minimum standards for lot

2179
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:38,880
area and lot width of the proposed RM

2180
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:40,400
zoning district. Pretty standard. The

2181
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:42,639
pro proposed resoning addresses the

2182
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:44,400
township board goal of encouraging a

2183
01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:46,159
diverse population by establishing a new

2184
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:48,080
area for potential multiple family

2185
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:49,920
residential development. Proposed

2186
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:51,679
resoning aligns with the designation of

2187
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:53,360
mixed use and multiple family

2188
01:26:51,679 --> 01:26:56,239
residential on the future land use map

2189
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:58,080
from the 2026 master plan. And then the

2190
01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:59,760
public water and sanitary sewer are

2191
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:01,760
available to serve the site. both are

2192
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:03,840
located in the general area would have

2193
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:06,639
to be extended to any specific

2194
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:09,760
development site.

2195
01:27:06,639 --> 01:27:11,840
So um that is the request that's before

2196
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:13,520
you tonight. Mark Claus from I

2197
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,880
development is here to answer any

2198
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,639
questions and to explain the request

2199
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:19,360
further and of course I'll be here to

2200
01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:21,199
answer any questions as well.

2201
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:22,800
» Are there any questions for the

2202
01:27:21,199 --> 01:27:25,040
developer

2203
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:26,320
» Before we go into a motion? Anything

2204
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,560
else you need to hear?

2205
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:31,040
» Yeah, I do. I was just curious the

2206
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:33,120
developer um

2207
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:34,400
» The timeline maybe Peter maybe you can

2208
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:38,679
answer it. I'm just curious about the

2209
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:38,679
timeline for any actual construction.

2210
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:42,800
» Good evening.

2211
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,560
» Good evening. My name is Mark Clo. I'm

2212
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:47,120
here on behalf of I development this

2213
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:49,840
evening. Um we did appear before the

2214
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:52,400
planning commission a week ago uh

2215
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:54,880
tonight and presented the information

2216
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:57,440
and I apprec appreciate Peter's help

2217
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:59,679
with this. the the site is, as you

2218
01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:01,840
pointed out, 54 acres. I'm I was so used

2219
01:27:59,679 --> 01:28:03,199
to having it up on the uh on the screen,

2220
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:05,840
so I guess we won't be able to do that,

2221
01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:07,600
but you have it on your packet. Um it is

2222
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:10,000
uh on Marketplace Boulevard with some

2223
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:12,159
frontage on St. Joe. Uh it is property

2224
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:15,920
that is currently zoned office and a a

2225
01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:17,520
portion of it uh is zoned egg 2. The

2226
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:19,440
proposal is to bring it into the

2227
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:22,719
multifamily, which is consistent with

2228
01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:26,480
your uh 2026. Have to get used to saying

2229
01:28:22,719 --> 01:28:28,960
that uh master plan. uh it actually is

2230
01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:30,560
considered an infill or an area in which

2231
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:34,239
I think the the master plan actually

2232
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:38,159
supported uh development of residential

2233
01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:40,960
uh units. Um even though the allow uh

2234
01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:44,000
within the requested resoning is for 11

2235
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:45,920
units per acre. Uh we did uh condition

2236
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:49,760
our resoning request to make it about

2237
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:50,159
8.9 which is I think 48

2238
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:53,280
» 80

2239
01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:57,520
» 80 units. Thank you. um in total as

2240
01:28:53,280 --> 01:29:00,960
opposed to about 600. The uh the site we

2241
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:02,719
did present a concept plan and we're

2242
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,080
always leerary to do that because as

2243
01:29:02,719 --> 01:29:05,760
soon as someone sees something they

2244
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:07,920
think that's exactly what will happen.

2245
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:11,520
In all honesty, the plan that we're

2246
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:14,239
working with um our engineers and

2247
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:15,920
planners on right now is that plan. Uh

2248
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:17,840
we're working on it. Uh, in fact, we

2249
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:19,840
have a couple meetings this week still

2250
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:22,880
to continue to to work down that with

2251
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:26,639
the goal of hopefully having your nods

2252
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:29,679
tonight. Uh, so that the the site itself

2253
01:29:26,639 --> 01:29:31,280
will be developed in that manner. Uh, it

2254
01:29:29,679 --> 01:29:35,520
is

2255
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:37,760
uh a series of 24 unit buildings. Each

2256
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:40,320
of the buildings um are three stories

2257
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:41,840
and will have two and threebedroom units

2258
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:45,520
within them. Excuse me, one and

2259
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:49,199
two-bedroom units within them. the um

2260
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:51,920
overall count is 384 units on the

2261
01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:53,600
portion of the the site that's about 40

2262
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:55,440
acres and you'll see that in the plan

2263
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:59,360
that was submitted to you with our

2264
01:29:55,440 --> 01:30:02,560
request. Um we are have met with the

2265
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:04,800
township staff on several occasions with

2266
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:07,120
regard to the site. It does uh currently

2267
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:10,080
have both water and sewer available to

2268
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:13,199
it. uh the the unit count works within

2269
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:17,600
the um categories for the sanitary sewer

2270
01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:20,159
and for the water. The um road pattern

2271
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:22,320
has not been totally just uh worked out,

2272
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:24,080
but the the main entrance will be

2273
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:27,199
through executive court, which is a

2274
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:28,800
boulevard uh that serves currently like

2275
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:30,639
the secretary of state and we have I

2276
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:32,080
think we have four buildings there.

2277
01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:34,320
» I'll be glad to answer any questions

2278
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:36,480
that you have. Um we're excited to move

2279
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,679
forward with this project.

2280
01:30:36,480 --> 01:30:40,480
Treasured,

2281
01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:42,400
» You know, some of this property is u

2282
01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:45,040
drains. I mean, not that we've not

2283
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:46,400
covered drains in this meeting, but um

2284
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:48,080
obviously you can't

2285
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:50,239
» I think I've learned a lot more in the

2286
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:51,920
last hour and a half and I think Angela

2287
01:30:50,239 --> 01:30:53,440
I sent Angela a text message while we

2288
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,840
were here saying her name was up on the

2289
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:57,679
screen a few times. So, um I think

2290
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:59,040
» Well, welcome to the club on that.

2291
01:30:57,679 --> 01:31:02,400
» Maybe she can help us out with this one.

2292
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:04,560
» Part of this is uh is is is drains, you

2293
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:07,120
know, uh detention uh drains it looks

2294
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:09,120
like. So, and I know you can't, you

2295
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:11,120
know, build on those and the county

2296
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:13,840
drain commission you maintains those and

2297
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:17,520
everything. So, um the question though,

2298
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:18,960
if they're three-story units, uh each

2299
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:19,760
one of those units equipped with an

2300
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:22,800
elevator.

2301
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:24,560
» No, these are these will have um the

2302
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:26,159
first floor unit will be ground level,

2303
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:28,159
which will be available for anyone that

2304
01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:30,080
needs um that is not able to use the

2305
01:31:28,159 --> 01:31:32,400
steps, but but the threetory does not

2306
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:33,440
require elevators, but so it will be a

2307
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:37,120
walk up.

2308
01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:39,120
» Okay. Thank you.

2309
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,679
» Trustee Kascarella, did you have a

2310
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,159
question?

2311
01:31:39,679 --> 01:31:44,719
» I did. Um,

2312
01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:47,120
just wanted to understand, so you

2313
01:31:44,719 --> 01:31:49,760
mentioned a couple things. First of all,

2314
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:52,159
um, you know,

2315
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:54,400
appreciate the comments about kind of

2316
01:31:52,159 --> 01:31:55,920
the lack of demand for office. Totally

2317
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:59,280
understand that. And we have a huge

2318
01:31:55,920 --> 01:32:04,560
demand for housing in the the community.

2319
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:06,960
So um appreciate um the project

2320
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:09,840
uh but have a couple questions you

2321
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:13,120
mentioned. So I think Peter mentioned

2322
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:16,159
you know 500 and some would be allowed

2323
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:19,440
maximum density just kind of based on

2324
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:24,080
our zoning requirements.

2325
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:26,639
um you're offering to limit that to 480,

2326
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:31,280
but then you said the plans for

2327
01:32:26,639 --> 01:32:34,000
development were at 3 384.

2328
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:37,120
And the the dis uh the difference there

2329
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:39,040
is there is a parcel of land that the um

2330
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:42,000
the plan that you have before you, the

2331
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:45,600
concept plan does not include all of the

2332
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:48,719
land on the site. There is a parcel

2333
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:52,000
can't point to anything. Um that is

2334
01:32:48,719 --> 01:32:54,320
along Marketplace Boulevard just north

2335
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:56,320
of the detention pond. If you're

2336
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:58,639
familiar with the corner there, the

2337
01:32:56,320 --> 01:33:00,560
detent detention pond on St. Joe and

2338
01:32:58,639 --> 01:33:02,480
Marketplace. Just north of that

2339
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:04,639
detention pond is part of the parcel

2340
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:05,760
that is also being res requested to be

2341
01:33:04,639 --> 01:33:08,960
reszoned.

2342
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:12,159
» Um that parcel we set aside the idea of

2343
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:13,840
perhaps doing up to 96 units on that

2344
01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:16,000
site as well

2345
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:16,560
» As like a second phase. Is that what

2346
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,480
you're saying?

2347
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:21,040
» It would probably not be the same type

2348
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:23,040
of unit. Uh we're considering and

2349
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:25,760
looking at doing more of a townhouse

2350
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:28,000
style along Marketplace Boulevard. It's

2351
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:30,400
not been finalized yet and we thought

2352
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:32,320
that the was appropriate to go ahead and

2353
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:34,960
request the resoning on that entire

2354
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:36,960
parcel. It is uh again it's consistent

2355
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:42,000
with the you guys are seeing something

2356
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:44,560
I'm not the um 2026 master plan.

2357
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:46,639
» Okay. Thank you. Sorry, there were a lot

2358
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:49,120
of numbers being thrown around on that.

2359
01:33:46,639 --> 01:33:50,400
I was just trying to understand.

2360
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:52,639
» I appreciate your question.

2361
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:56,000
» Yeah, thank you.

2362
01:33:52,639 --> 01:33:57,520
» So, it's the the area that is um if I

2363
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:59,040
may kind of respond a little further to

2364
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:01,520
your question now that this up on the

2365
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:03,920
screen, the green area that's within the

2366
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:06,400
red dotted lines, if you will, the

2367
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:09,600
detention pond, that area, thank you. um

2368
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:12,639
is the area that was not shown as part

2369
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:16,719
of the concept plan at this point, but

2370
01:34:12,639 --> 01:34:19,360
it would it would um in our estimation

2371
01:34:16,719 --> 01:34:20,719
uh be approximately 96 units and that

2372
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:22,560
would be the maximum. I'm not even sure

2373
01:34:20,719 --> 01:34:24,080
that would happen, but we thought if we

2374
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,520
limited it, we wanted to be careful not

2375
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:27,440
to limit it too far.

2376
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:29,440
» Understood. Thank you. I appreciate the

2377
01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:32,560
clarification.

2378
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:34,719
» Trusty Bowling. So you said that these

2379
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:39,120
uh 24 unit buildings that are three

2380
01:34:34,719 --> 01:34:40,960
stories will be one and twobedroom only.

2381
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:43,120
» That's the plan currently and I again

2382
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:45,120
this is a concept plan. We are we will

2383
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:46,639
present um as required under the

2384
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:49,040
ordinance assuming the resoning goes

2385
01:34:46,639 --> 01:34:50,880
forward. Um that the details of each of

2386
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:53,520
that along with the construction type

2387
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:55,600
and the and the floor plans and so on.

2388
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:57,280
Um the the units that we've been looking

2389
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:58,880
at currently and the design that we've

2390
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:01,120
worked with on that layout are one and

2391
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:03,280
two bedrooms. Um, and I think that will

2392
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:05,360
probably continue to be the the process.

2393
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:06,480
» So, you don't anticipate this to be

2394
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:09,120
family housing?

2395
01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:10,800
» Um, I don't know that three bedrooms

2396
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:14,400
that there are certainly many families

2397
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:17,280
live in two bedrooms, my home. Okay. Uh,

2398
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:20,159
but so it would be both families and um

2399
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:21,199
perhaps young younger professionals.

2400
01:35:20,159 --> 01:35:23,520
It's

2401
01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:27,760
» Students. Do you anticipate students? We

2402
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:29,360
don't um I from our

2403
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:31,199
development over the last I've I've

2404
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:34,719
worked for the company almost 41 years.

2405
01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:37,760
We we have not done student housing. Do

2406
01:35:34,719 --> 01:35:39,840
we have students that live in apartments

2407
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:42,000
that we've built for market rate? Yes.

2408
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:45,280
Um because we don't you don't

2409
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:46,880
discriminate. And we also um there are

2410
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:48,400
many that work part-time and go to

2411
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:50,639
school part-time and and live in the

2412
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:52,560
apartments, but it's not intended to be

2413
01:35:50,639 --> 01:35:53,920
student housing. We don't rent by the

2414
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:54,320
bed, we rent by the unit.

2415
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,960
» Right.

2416
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:58,800
» And and the image isn't up there

2417
01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:01,440
anymore, but I have it here. So, you

2418
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:03,920
said that green portion that's within

2419
01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:06,239
the red outline, that will not be the

2420
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:08,880
first place that you're developing.

2421
01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:11,760
» That is not the intent at this point,

2422
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:14,239
but we've the the plan that we we shared

2423
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,960
uh within your packet is in the blue

2424
01:36:14,239 --> 01:36:17,040
area.

2425
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:18,320
» So, the entry would be that executive

2426
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,520
drive there. That is correct.

2427
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:20,080
» That's where you would get into the

2428
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:22,960
Okay.

2429
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:25,679
» Yes, ma'am. Boulevard.

2430
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:28,239
» Thank you. Any other questions? If not,

2431
01:36:25,679 --> 01:36:30,320
please we accept on a motion for

2432
01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:32,080
» Yes. I was going to move uh that the

2433
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:35,120
Delta Township Board approved the

2434
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:37,920
request to reszone 53.98

2435
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:40,320
acres located on the east side of South

2436
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:43,679
Marketplace Boulevard

2437
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:45,920
of West St. Joe Highway comprised of the

2438
01:36:43,679 --> 01:36:48,920
entirety of parcel number

2439
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:48,920
04-016-400-220-

2440
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:58,600
0 and a portion of parcel number

2441
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:58,600
04-016-3000-148-02

2442
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:11,440
from O office and EG2 agricultural

2443
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:14,880
residential to RM multiple family with a

2444
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:16,880
condition uh voluntarily offered by the

2445
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:20,159
applicant to limit the development on

2446
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:23,920
the project site to a maximum of 480

2447
01:37:20,159 --> 01:37:26,639
dwelling units for the following reasons

2448
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:29,760
of which there are five in the packet. I

2449
01:37:26,639 --> 01:37:30,800
won't read through all of those. That's

2450
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:33,600
not necessary.

2451
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:34,400
» Fine. Is there support?

2452
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:36,560
» Support.

2453
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:40,080
» It's been moved and supported by Trusty

2454
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:42,239
Monica. Any discussion? I'd just like to

2455
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:45,280
make one comment now that the uh motion

2456
01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:48,639
has been made that you know we here in

2457
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:50,560
Delta Township are very cognizant of we

2458
01:37:48,639 --> 01:37:54,000
need more housing. We need more

2459
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:56,960
multifamily housing and we hope that as

2460
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:58,480
your project moves forward or I hope I

2461
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,800
won't speak for the rest of the board. I

2462
01:37:58,480 --> 01:38:03,440
hope as your project moves forward that

2463
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:05,840
you're able to consider uh attainable

2464
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:08,080
housing, affordable housing, you know,

2465
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:10,080
so that we can house more people who

2466
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:11,679
work in Delta Township so that they can

2467
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:15,800
live here as well.

2468
01:38:11,679 --> 01:38:15,800
» I appreciate that. Thank you.

2469
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:21,520
» Thank you. I want to just say thank you

2470
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:23,760
for bringing this project to us because

2471
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:25,760
you don't have to do anything in Delta

2472
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:28,800
Township. We appreciate it and there is

2473
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:31,440
a great need for housing. So, thank you

2474
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:33,280
so much on behalf of the board. And so,

2475
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:34,480
we're just going to take a vote. All in

2476
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:35,280
favor?

2477
01:38:34,480 --> 01:38:37,840
» I.

2478
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:42,000
» Any opposed? That motion passes

2479
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:45,199
unanimously. Thank you so much.

2480
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:47,280
» We are now on to number 12.

2481
01:38:45,199 --> 01:38:50,000
» Thank you.

2482
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:53,280
» So, number 12 starts on page 264 of the

2483
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:55,840
meeting packet. Excuse me. So, this is a

2484
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:57,440
zoning amendment request. Um, and I just

2485
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:59,040
want to characterize it very briefly. So

2486
01:38:57,440 --> 01:39:00,880
there are three ways that policy

2487
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:03,440
initiatives start in Delta Township

2488
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:05,360
specifically. One is planning commission

2489
01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:06,880
can initiate a zoning amendment. The

2490
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:09,920
township board can initiate a zoning

2491
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:12,719
amendment or we have a provision that

2492
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:15,040
allows a resident through the submitt of

2493
01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:17,440
an application, the payment of a fee and

2494
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:19,600
the submitt of ordinance like preferred

2495
01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:22,719
ordinance language to initiate it

2496
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:24,639
themselves. That third option is what

2497
01:39:22,719 --> 01:39:26,239
we're reviewing tonight. So this is an

2498
01:39:24,639 --> 01:39:30,480
application that is proceeding through

2499
01:39:26,239 --> 01:39:32,239
our our um process here. So I just want

2500
01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:35,119
to make that very clear. It's initiated

2501
01:39:32,239 --> 01:39:36,880
by Nicholas Buroa. So um he filed an

2502
01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:38,880
application on behalf of Cedar Classical

2503
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:41,520
Academy. That is a private school

2504
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:45,119
located at 7520 West Shire just over

2505
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:47,199
here um off of Canal. U they've applied

2506
01:39:45,119 --> 01:39:49,199
to request an amendment to a section of

2507
01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:52,480
our township ordinance. deals with the

2508
01:39:49,199 --> 01:39:55,280
standards for location of schools.

2509
01:39:52,480 --> 01:39:57,360
Primary and secondary schools are

2510
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:59,920
required to be located on what are

2511
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:01,600
called primary roads.

2512
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:03,199
There's a map in your meeting packet

2513
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:05,280
that shows exactly what the county

2514
01:40:03,199 --> 01:40:06,800
primary roads as established by Eaton

2515
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:08,320
County,

2516
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:09,760
what which ones they are, and they're

2517
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:12,239
all the ones you probably think they

2518
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:14,960
are. Canal crites, all the major roads

2519
01:40:12,239 --> 01:40:18,000
are pretty much are identified as

2520
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:21,600
primary roads.

2521
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:24,480
So, the proposed amendment and and one

2522
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:27,440
step back. Our zoning ordinance allows

2523
01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:28,800
schools in commercial

2524
01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:31,760
um I'm sorry, I'm skipping around a

2525
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:35,080
little bit. Um

2526
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:35,080
get my bearings.

2527
01:40:40,159 --> 01:40:43,520
» Is it page 270 or

2528
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:44,960
» Yeah. No, I'm I'm taking care of I just

2529
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:46,080
want to make sure I'm I'm starting at

2530
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:49,199
the right place here because this is

2531
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:53,199
kind of complicated.

2532
01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:54,800
Apologize for that. Okay. So, the we we

2533
01:40:53,199 --> 01:40:56,800
have a map that shows the primary roads.

2534
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:58,639
This amendment would the township

2535
01:40:56,800 --> 01:41:01,119
requires through it zoning ordinance

2536
01:40:58,639 --> 01:41:04,400
that schools be located on primary

2537
01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:06,639
roads. The proposal is to remove that

2538
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:08,800
requirement for non-public schools or

2539
01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:11,360
private schools. I'm using the generic

2540
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:15,840
term non-public schools from that

2541
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:17,679
process. So, um, as noted, this is a

2542
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:19,360
private or like I'm calling it a

2543
01:41:17,679 --> 01:41:21,280
private, but it's a third-party

2544
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:23,760
application or individual application.

2545
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:26,159
So, it's not initiated by staff. So,

2546
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:27,520
we're we're essentially the way I've

2547
01:41:26,159 --> 01:41:29,760
like philosophically been addressing

2548
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:32,000
this is we have language that was

2549
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:33,600
proposed. Staff hasn't particularly like

2550
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:36,320
tinkered with it. I mean, we've reviewed

2551
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:37,920
it and helped the applicant kind of

2552
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:40,320
state what they wanted to say

2553
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:41,600
specifically, but with I would not recom

2554
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:45,679
I wouldn't call this a staff

2555
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:47,840
recommendation necessarily or um it it

2556
01:41:45,679 --> 01:41:50,000
we're we're reacting to a proposal from

2557
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:52,880
a private individual. Let's let's say

2558
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:56,719
that.

2559
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:59,199
Okay. So, the request is specific to

2560
01:41:56,719 --> 01:42:01,520
this school, Cedar Classical Academy.

2561
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:04,000
They are wanting to move over to a

2562
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:07,760
property on Eastberry Drive that is not

2563
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:09,840
a primary road. There was an instance in

2564
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:11,520
the past, the reason they got to their

2565
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:13,840
location right now on Westshshire.

2566
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:17,040
Westshshire is not a primary road.

2567
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:19,280
Planning staff in the past sent the that

2568
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:21,360
request to our zoning board of appeals.

2569
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:25,840
Zone of appeals granted the variance

2570
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:28,719
allowed them to locate on WestJ. I um

2571
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:30,800
when first approached by the school

2572
01:42:28,719 --> 01:42:33,440
about moving over here, we read through

2573
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:35,119
the ordinance and I noted the the

2574
01:42:33,440 --> 01:42:36,800
requirement of the the primary road

2575
01:42:35,119 --> 01:42:38,639
requirement

2576
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:40,080
and looked into the history of it and

2577
01:42:38,639 --> 01:42:42,320
kind of find out how they how they got

2578
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:45,360
there to start with and the the

2579
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:47,199
challenge that I faced was that is not

2580
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:48,800
the zoning board of appeals is a

2581
01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:51,360
dimensional they grant dimensional

2582
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:54,159
variances. So, a structure too close to

2583
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:56,000
a property line, those kind of things.

2584
01:42:54,159 --> 01:42:59,920
The in what they were asked to at the

2585
01:42:56,000 --> 01:43:01,360
time was to um make a policy decision.

2586
01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:03,280
So, allowing something where it wouldn't

2587
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:05,280
otherwise be allowed and determined that

2588
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:08,320
that was an inappropriate request to the

2589
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:10,239
zoning board of appeals. Um I did confer

2590
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:11,520
with township attorney. She agreed with

2591
01:43:10,239 --> 01:43:13,280
me that that was not the right approach

2592
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:16,880
to this and that's kind of how we got to

2593
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:18,080
here. Um, so and that's how the I just

2594
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:20,480
wanted to explain the background and how

2595
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:21,920
they got to a location already and why

2596
01:43:20,480 --> 01:43:25,520
this isn't back in front of the zoning

2597
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:28,239
board of appeals. So the the way that

2598
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:30,000
they approached this was to file for a

2599
01:43:28,239 --> 01:43:31,679
zoning amendment to change it. And as

2600
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:33,360
noted, that's how the lang that's the

2601
01:43:31,679 --> 01:43:35,520
proposed language in front of you today.

2602
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:37,520
Speaks specifically to non-public

2603
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:38,719
schools and specifically to their

2604
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:40,960
location on whether or not they're

2605
01:43:38,719 --> 01:43:44,000
required to be on a primary or a non-

2606
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:46,239
primary road. planning commission held a

2607
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:48,880
public hearing on this issue, ultimately

2608
01:43:46,239 --> 01:43:51,600
recommended denial. They made several

2609
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:53,679
motions and amended each other's motions

2610
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:55,119
um regarding the proposed amendment, but

2611
01:43:53,679 --> 01:43:56,639
ultimately they failed on a 3 to five

2612
01:43:55,119 --> 01:43:58,960
vote. Um I think they took three

2613
01:43:56,639 --> 01:44:00,880
different votes. So really the planning

2614
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:03,920
commission discussion centered on and

2615
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:05,840
where I think as a staff where my focus

2616
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:08,639
is on is the breadth of the proposed

2617
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:11,119
amendment. It's not about this specific

2618
01:44:08,639 --> 01:44:13,440
applicant. it is with this policy would

2619
01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:17,520
apply to all non-public schools,

2620
01:44:13,440 --> 01:44:19,119
current, future. So, that's um that's

2621
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:21,679
one of the challenges with this is it's

2622
01:44:19,119 --> 01:44:24,239
it's a great story and it's a great that

2623
01:44:21,679 --> 01:44:25,600
property it would be potentially um

2624
01:44:24,239 --> 01:44:27,360
could be a good spot for a school, but

2625
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:30,239
it's it's what we don't know and where

2626
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:33,360
other locations are um that we don't

2627
01:44:30,239 --> 01:44:35,679
know about yet. Um, as noted, I think

2628
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:38,800
just to um, color that a little bit is

2629
01:44:35,679 --> 01:44:40,560
we do allow schools in residential

2630
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:42,159
office and commercial zoning districts

2631
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:43,840
subject to special land use permit. So,

2632
01:44:42,159 --> 01:44:46,159
they can go a lot of places in the

2633
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:48,239
township. And so, that's what we what we

2634
01:44:46,159 --> 01:44:50,320
just don't know is if there was property

2635
01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:52,400
in um, assemblage in a in the middle of

2636
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:54,159
a neighborhood, if there might in the

2637
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:56,719
future be a location that might not be

2638
01:44:54,159 --> 01:44:58,400
completely appropriate for a school. And

2639
01:44:56,719 --> 01:45:00,320
right now the requirement at least

2640
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:03,520
allows or at least requires them to be

2641
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:05,679
on a primary main road. Essentially the

2642
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:08,400
issues there and this school handles it

2643
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:09,679
well based on the size of it um and the

2644
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:12,800
number the number of students and where

2645
01:45:09,679 --> 01:45:14,639
they're at um is the pickup and drop off

2646
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:17,040
of kids, the stacking of cars during

2647
01:45:14,639 --> 01:45:19,280
drop off times. They don't utilize a bus

2648
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:22,239
system and most nonprofit or non or

2649
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:24,239
non-public schools do not. However, um

2650
01:45:22,239 --> 01:45:25,920
there are still a lot of traffic around

2651
01:45:24,239 --> 01:45:27,360
potentially around pickup and drop off.

2652
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:29,199
So, that's kind of where I've been

2653
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:30,800
looking at this is like from the 10,000

2654
01:45:29,199 --> 01:45:32,880
foot view of what's the kind of what's

2655
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:34,960
the wor I always go to what's the worst

2656
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:37,360
what's what could go wrong here and

2657
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:38,639
that's um the board or the planning

2658
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:41,199
commission really talked about kind of

2659
01:45:38,639 --> 01:45:44,920
the breadth of the application of a

2660
01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:44,920
amendment like this.

2661
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:53,520
So, um the applicant is here this

2662
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:55,840
evening. We have this lined up um as a

2663
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:57,360
decision tonight. So, typically a zoning

2664
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:58,880
amendment would have public hearing of

2665
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:01,119
the plan commission, which it did, and

2666
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:03,520
it would come here tonight for re um

2667
01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:05,199
potentially reading for introduction. I

2668
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:08,000
recognize the complications of this

2669
01:46:05,199 --> 01:46:11,040
issue. So, um if the it's it's the

2670
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:13,440
board's pleasure, um

2671
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:14,960
they could um approve an amendment

2672
01:46:13,440 --> 01:46:16,880
change as proposed by the resident,

2673
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:18,719
really just adopting the the language

2674
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:20,320
that they proposed. You can approve an

2675
01:46:18,719 --> 01:46:21,600
amendment with revised language

2676
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:23,840
addressing the board's policy

2677
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:26,880
preferences specifically or deny the

2678
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:28,800
proposed amendment. Um since this as

2679
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:30,480
noted this was filed by an applicant, we

2680
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:32,080
place this on for introduction just to

2681
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:33,840
follow the typical procedure as we would

2682
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:35,600
for other types of applications.

2683
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:37,280
However, the um the board could move

2684
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:39,199
this item if you prefer to move it to

2685
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:42,560
committee whole to discuss prior to

2686
01:46:39,199 --> 01:46:44,400
taking action at a future meeting. So it

2687
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:46,880
or if you choose there is a motion on

2688
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:49,360
page 265 to consider the request kind of

2689
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:51,440
as proposed.

2690
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:53,440
Hope I provided some good background on

2691
01:46:51,440 --> 01:46:55,600
that. Um I'm certainly here um if you

2692
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:57,920
have any questions Caroline Hmel the um

2693
01:46:55,600 --> 01:47:00,000
administrator of the school is here on

2694
01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:01,520
behalf of the resident that filed the

2695
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:03,040
zoning amendment application if you have

2696
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:04,960
any questions for her.

2697
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:07,840
» So in this case normally we'll do a

2698
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:10,560
motion first but here I want to have

2699
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:12,400
discussion first before we move any

2700
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:13,600
motion. So, I'm going to open up the

2701
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:14,560
floor for discussion. Trusty

2702
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:17,119
Kaskcarella.

2703
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:19,360
» Thank you. Um, Peter, so just a question

2704
01:47:17,119 --> 01:47:22,080
because I did look through the, you

2705
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:26,000
know, the planning commission minutes

2706
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:29,920
and in the series of I guess motions and

2707
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:33,119
amended amendments and all of that. Um

2708
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:34,960
and and I saw kind of I didn't follow

2709
01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:37,360
the full discussion but at least the

2710
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:41,600
references or considerations about

2711
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:44,560
public whether it's just non-public or

2712
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:47,840
both non-public and public

2713
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:50,639
um but I didn't see much on a discussion

2714
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:54,320
on size or

2715
01:47:50,639 --> 01:47:57,840
um kind of provisions

2716
01:47:54,320 --> 01:48:01,199
around the basis of what why we would

2717
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:04,560
require a primary road and basically to

2718
01:48:01,199 --> 01:48:08,560
have sufficient capacity for vehicle

2719
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:12,400
stacking and things like that. Um, and

2720
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:14,719
so I just wonder if it's not a it can

2721
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:17,280
you provide any feedback if it's not a

2722
01:48:14,719 --> 01:48:21,440
primary road like some conditions

2723
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:23,199
whether it's on size or you know around

2724
01:48:21,440 --> 01:48:25,360
the I don't know if it's just vehicle

2725
01:48:23,199 --> 01:48:28,000
stacking or bus stacking because you

2726
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:31,360
never know if they could have but do you

2727
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:35,840
in your mind is there a way to design

2728
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:38,159
the an ordinance change to ensure those

2729
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:40,000
protections are being built in and I

2730
01:48:38,159 --> 01:48:42,880
understand it especially we just had the

2731
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:45,920
conversation on the housing front office

2732
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:48,239
space not being in demand as you know

2733
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:50,080
and having that surplus and so you have

2734
01:48:48,239 --> 01:48:53,040
probably some of these properties in the

2735
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:56,159
township that could serve other uses a

2736
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:57,840
school may be one of those and so is

2737
01:48:56,159 --> 01:49:01,760
there a way we can think about an

2738
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:05,360
ordinance that ensures it's appropriate

2739
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:07,119
for that property if it isn't on a

2740
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:08,400
primary road.

2741
01:49:07,119 --> 01:49:10,080
» There certainly could be a policy

2742
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:13,760
approach to that. I have not sharpened

2743
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:15,440
my pencil to to craft one as of yet. And

2744
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:17,119
that really goes back to and not that I

2745
01:49:15,440 --> 01:49:19,280
want to ignore or leave the applicant

2746
01:49:17,119 --> 01:49:21,920
hanging. It's just I process this more

2747
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:24,400
as an application to be vetted kind of

2748
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:26,639
as is. Um there I think there probably

2749
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:28,639
I'm sure there's a policy most most

2750
01:49:26,639 --> 01:49:30,080
issues there's a policy solution to it.

2751
01:49:28,639 --> 01:49:32,480
There probably is a way to find

2752
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:34,480
something that would work. I I'll say

2753
01:49:32,480 --> 01:49:36,880
better for lack of a better way to say

2754
01:49:34,480 --> 01:49:40,360
it right now, but I have not gone in

2755
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:40,360
deep on that yet.

2756
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:45,920
» Oh, I'll finish. Okay. Treasure feed.

2757
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:47,440
» Yeah. Thanks, Peter. Um, I understand

2758
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:48,800
your position and bring it before the

2759
01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:51,520
board is because it was just an

2760
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:53,199
application and um understand the

2761
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:54,719
discussions.

2762
01:49:53,199 --> 01:49:58,719
I believe that probably the planning

2763
01:49:54,719 --> 01:50:03,600
commission was somewhat um

2764
01:49:58,719 --> 01:50:07,440
uh divided uh on this. Um I I'm

2765
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:09,920
concerned that you know every other

2766
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:11,920
exception that has been to the playary

2767
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:16,400
road has gone through the process that

2768
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:18,480
we have in place now. And this gives a

2769
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:20,880
blanket exception

2770
01:50:18,480 --> 01:50:23,840
uh in perpetuity if we were to change if

2771
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:26,400
we were to adopt this. And I guess that

2772
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:30,480
there was probably some semblance of a

2773
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:33,520
rationale for requiring a non-public

2774
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:35,440
school to be, you know, um located on a

2775
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:37,360
primary road,

2776
01:50:35,440 --> 01:50:40,239
not just traffic and things like that.

2777
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:44,520
But my concern is is that given a

2778
01:50:40,239 --> 01:50:44,520
blanket exception like this then

2779
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:50,960
then it could really hamstring the

2780
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:53,600
township in the future. And we just had

2781
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:58,080
I think a issue before us regarding that

2782
01:50:53,600 --> 01:51:00,800
uh drain that could potentially set a

2783
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:05,360
precedent. My concern is about setting a

2784
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:08,639
precedent here and approving this

2785
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:11,040
request as is. I I feel more comfortable

2786
01:51:08,639 --> 01:51:12,480
in having further discussion on it. Uh

2787
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:15,199
along the lines of what Trustee

2788
01:51:12,480 --> 01:51:17,360
Guscarella said, is there a policy that

2789
01:51:15,199 --> 01:51:21,199
we can look at this better, still

2790
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:24,400
accommodating reasonable requests for an

2791
01:51:21,199 --> 01:51:27,280
exemption to the requirement of being

2792
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:30,960
placed next to a primary road. uh but

2793
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:33,760
then also preserve the protections that

2794
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:36,080
were presumably made when that

2795
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:39,440
requirement was initiated in law to

2796
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:41,679
begin with. So yeah, I mean that's just

2797
01:51:39,440 --> 01:51:44,400
my feeling on this as we sit here

2798
01:51:41,679 --> 01:51:47,040
tonight.

2799
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:50,239
» Any other comment trusty Bowen?

2800
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:52,239
» As a mother of public school kids who I

2801
01:51:50,239 --> 01:51:53,840
have to do the drive and the pickup and

2802
01:51:52,239 --> 01:51:57,679
the drop off and all that sort of thing.

2803
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:59,760
I think the big issue about the uh major

2804
01:51:57,679 --> 01:52:01,920
roads here that we're not talking about

2805
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:05,440
is safety.

2806
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:07,360
If these roads are not plowed because

2807
01:52:05,440 --> 01:52:09,520
they're not trunk roads in the

2808
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:12,560
wintertime, then you've got kids out

2809
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:15,040
there, you know, walking around on un

2810
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:18,000
unplowed roads and sidewalks. You've got

2811
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:20,320
cars. there's more potential there for

2812
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:23,679
accidents and god forbid children

2813
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:25,040
getting hit or I mean I know you said

2814
01:52:23,679 --> 01:52:26,560
they don't do buses but there have been

2815
01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:29,599
horror stories about kids that slip on

2816
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:31,280
ice under buses that are moving and and

2817
01:52:29,599 --> 01:52:33,520
all that sort of thing and I think that

2818
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:35,199
there is a very good reason why we want

2819
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:37,599
our schools whether they're public or

2820
01:52:35,199 --> 01:52:39,119
non-public to be on a major road and I

2821
01:52:37,599 --> 01:52:41,599
know that Wester is not a major road but

2822
01:52:39,119 --> 01:52:43,840
they're right at the corner of Sagena

2823
01:52:41,599 --> 01:52:46,320
um and I'm looking at the property that

2824
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:51,520
they want to buy and it's tucked back in

2825
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:53,679
behind a bunch of hotels and and I would

2826
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:55,920
worry about safety there as well. Just

2827
01:52:53,679 --> 01:52:57,679
it's isolated. There's a lot of green

2828
01:52:55,920 --> 01:53:00,800
space around it. You've got a bunch of

2829
01:52:57,679 --> 01:53:02,880
hotels and you know I would speak to our

2830
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:04,960
deputies about you know what they would

2831
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:06,960
feel about the safety of locating a

2832
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:09,360
school there. But I am also concerned

2833
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:11,280
about yeah changing an ordinance with

2834
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:14,280
blanket without having adequate

2835
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:14,280
discussion.

2836
01:53:14,719 --> 01:53:19,040
» Any further discussion?

2837
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:21,280
» I had a question about and I said they

2838
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:23,840
don't use busing but as far as it looked

2839
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:26,159
like it said that there's 126 students.

2840
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:29,040
What would they do about drop was there

2841
01:53:26,159 --> 01:53:30,800
a drop off and pickup plan at all?

2842
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:32,000
» The applicant is here if you want to

2843
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:34,000
hear from them about how their

2844
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:35,679
particular school works. Keeping in mind

2845
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:39,880
this it's just their one school.

2846
01:53:35,679 --> 01:53:39,880
» Please Mr. Caborio.

2847
01:53:40,639 --> 01:53:43,199
» Oh, Mr. I apologize.

2848
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:45,199
» Hello.

2849
01:53:43,199 --> 01:53:47,440
» I'm Caroline Hmel from Cedar Classical

2850
01:53:45,199 --> 01:53:49,360
Academy representing our board and also

2851
01:53:47,440 --> 01:53:51,840
Nico Burl who is not able to be here

2852
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:53,920
tonight. Um I can start with your

2853
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:56,800
question. You guys are welcome to come

2854
01:53:53,920 --> 01:54:01,040
and see our uh car poolool pickup and

2855
01:53:56,800 --> 01:54:03,760
drop off 255 to 3:10. Um it's 136

2856
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:06,320
children. We have 55 families. They all

2857
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:07,920
collaborate for car pooling. Um, and we

2858
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:11,520
really are cleared out in just 10

2859
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:13,280
minutes. It's a it's a feat to behold.

2860
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:14,960
Um, I'd love to answer your other

2861
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:17,520
questions, but if it's okay, I'd love to

2862
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:18,639
kind of intro this from my sports

2863
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:19,599
perspective. Yours.

2864
01:54:18,639 --> 01:54:21,440
» Thank you.

2865
01:54:19,599 --> 01:54:23,679
» So, seven years ago, I helped found

2866
01:54:21,440 --> 01:54:26,320
Cedar Classical Academy, which is a K12

2867
01:54:23,679 --> 01:54:29,599
non-public school. Um, we opened Okamus

2868
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:31,760
with 31 students in K6. We've added one

2869
01:54:29,599 --> 01:54:33,920
grade each year and graduated our first

2870
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:36,560
class of seniors. Last year they were

2871
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:39,599
only four. Uh this year we have five

2872
01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:41,920
seniors, so 25% growth. That's pretty

2873
01:54:39,599 --> 01:54:44,480
incredible. Um but my hope this evening

2874
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:46,239
is to communicate um reasons why it

2875
01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:47,840
could benefit the township to allow

2876
01:54:46,239 --> 01:54:50,400
nonpublic schools and non- primary

2877
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:52,800
roads. I'd like to briefly present two

2878
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:55,119
things. First of all, the context

2879
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:58,000
outside Delta Township that I included

2880
01:54:55,119 --> 01:54:59,760
in your packet, the research there um

2881
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:02,080
for how some other Michigan townships

2882
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:03,920
handled the location of non-public

2883
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:05,760
schools. And then second, our

2884
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:08,639
perspective, just my own school's

2885
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:11,599
perspective on the traffic impacts in

2886
01:55:08,639 --> 01:55:12,960
those mixeduse areas. So, first staff

2887
01:55:11,599 --> 01:55:14,639
noted that every school in Delta

2888
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:17,360
Township with the exception of Cedar

2889
01:55:14,639 --> 01:55:20,000
sits on a primary road. Um, but from my

2890
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:21,920
very amateur research, that pattern does

2891
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:24,960
not seem to me to be the rule across

2892
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:27,920
Michigan. In Kalamazoo, Grand Rapids,

2893
01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:30,000
Jackson, and um, other Lancing

2894
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:32,000
communities outside Delta Township,

2895
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:34,719
non-public schools are often located on

2896
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:36,880
non- primary roads. So, to me, this just

2897
01:55:34,719 --> 01:55:39,840
suggests that there might be many other

2898
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:41,679
fine locations for schools and that it

2899
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:44,560
may be better to review each proposed

2900
01:55:41,679 --> 01:55:46,400
school on a case-byase basis on its own

2901
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:48,719
merits and on the merit of the fit

2902
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:51,440
between property and use rather than

2903
01:55:48,719 --> 01:55:53,199
keep this blanket restriction.

2904
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:55,040
Um, you have already discussed that it

2905
01:55:53,199 --> 01:55:57,679
it might seem like this ordinance is the

2906
01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:59,360
only protection against a huge school

2907
01:55:57,679 --> 01:56:01,599
opening up in a place where it really

2908
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:04,400
doesn't fit. Um, I don't believe that

2909
01:56:01,599 --> 01:56:06,159
that this is the case. This would be my

2910
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:10,080
third time through the special land use

2911
01:56:06,159 --> 01:56:12,000
permit process for our school. Um, so

2912
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:13,920
even if this ordinance is amended, the

2913
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,440
township would still sort of have the

2914
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:17,360
authority to govern where schools are

2915
01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:18,800
located. We would still have to do a

2916
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:20,639
traffic study. We'd still have to submit

2917
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:22,320
our carpool plans and our site plan and

2918
01:56:20,639 --> 01:56:24,960
all of those different things. All of

2919
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:27,599
those are checks against where schools

2920
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:29,440
can open up. Um, so that seems to me

2921
01:56:27,599 --> 01:56:31,520
like it would ensure a built-in vetting

2922
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:34,080
process to make sure that the use

2923
01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:36,239
matches the location. Second, when it

2924
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:37,599
comes to traffic in the mixeduse area, I

2925
01:56:36,239 --> 01:56:39,440
understand that this requirement

2926
01:56:37,599 --> 01:56:42,000
probably exists to ensure that a school

2927
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:44,000
is placed um where there's already

2928
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:46,239
infrastructure that can handle the new

2929
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:47,920
traffic. Now, we've already talked about

2930
01:56:46,239 --> 01:56:50,159
how my nonpublic school does not have

2931
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:51,920
busing. Um, but I'm sure that the

2932
01:56:50,159 --> 01:56:53,840
traffic burden will be a question

2933
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:55,920
wherever we go.

2934
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:58,320
So, as you've already mentioned, our

2935
01:56:55,920 --> 01:57:01,199
location at Westshshire is surrounded by

2936
01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:02,880
hotels, uh, restaurants, commercial, and

2937
01:57:01,199 --> 01:57:04,880
multif family housing just around the

2938
01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:07,760
corner. That's the same mix over at

2939
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:09,599
Eastbury. Um, our past traffic study for

2940
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:12,800
our Westshshire location has found that

2941
01:57:09,599 --> 01:57:15,599
we have offset peak traffic time. So,

2942
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:18,159
our school starts at 8, we get out at 3.

2943
01:57:15,599 --> 01:57:21,199
Um and then that's offset from the 4 to

2944
01:57:18,159 --> 01:57:24,159
six peak rush hour traffic that most of

2945
01:57:21,199 --> 01:57:26,239
those other uses are seeing. Um in

2946
01:57:24,159 --> 01:57:28,719
almost 3 years on Weshire, we have not

2947
01:57:26,239 --> 01:57:31,360
seen significant backups during our peak

2948
01:57:28,719 --> 01:57:33,520
periods. And so that suggests to me that

2949
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:36,800
the different uses are complimentary

2950
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:38,560
rather in than in competition. Um at

2951
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:40,400
last week's planning commission meeting,

2952
01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:42,960
some members had safety concerns about

2953
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:45,280
the Eastbury building being offset from

2954
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:48,719
a primary road. That's by 4/10en of a

2955
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:51,520
mile. Um, and so you know better than I

2956
01:57:48,719 --> 01:57:54,159
how significant that is. Um, we will get

2957
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:55,840
the fire department's feedback on this.

2958
01:57:54,159 --> 01:57:58,400
You know, we go through extensive BFS

2959
01:57:55,840 --> 01:58:00,080
and BCC processes with the state and

2960
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:01,920
then we also work with the township when

2961
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:05,199
we're trying to figure out if these

2962
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:07,599
things will fit together. Um, but we

2963
01:58:05,199 --> 01:58:10,000
discussed in the last commission meeting

2964
01:58:07,599 --> 01:58:11,840
that even though it is not a primary

2965
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:13,360
road, it is still a public road. it is

2966
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:16,080
still plowed by the Eaton County Road

2967
01:58:13,360 --> 01:58:18,000
Commission. Um, so it's not, even though

2968
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:22,239
it's not a primary road, it's not just a

2969
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:24,080
rural road or a private road.

2970
01:58:22,239 --> 01:58:25,679
Um, when I first approached our

2971
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:27,440
schoolboard about this building, I

2972
01:58:25,679 --> 01:58:29,920
actually pointed out that this created

2973
01:58:27,440 --> 01:58:32,480
an ideal situation for efficient car

2974
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:34,719
pooling. Based on our past experience at

2975
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:36,480
Okamus Road and out Westshshire, I

2976
01:58:34,719 --> 01:58:38,320
anticipate with Eastbury that the

2977
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:41,360
existing signal light, the existing stop

2978
01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:43,280
sign, the existing turns, um the

2979
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:45,440
slightly longer driveway would all just

2980
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:48,159
sort of naturally pace the carpool

2981
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:50,239
traffic. And because the sites we are

2982
01:58:48,159 --> 01:58:52,000
considering are already mixed use, I

2983
01:58:50,239 --> 01:58:54,080
expect that one more staggered use is

2984
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:56,800
unlikely to create a drastically

2985
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:58,239
different new traffic burden. Um, I

2986
01:58:56,800 --> 01:59:00,400
don't have that data for you yet because

2987
01:58:58,239 --> 01:59:02,960
we're not yes yet in the SLUP

2988
01:59:00,400 --> 01:59:04,320
application process. Um, I've asked my

2989
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:07,199
traffic engineer to hopefully start

2990
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:09,440
counting data counting collecting counts

2991
01:59:07,199 --> 01:59:11,040
tomorrow. Um, but I just want to

2992
01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:13,599
communicate those traffic findings from

2993
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:15,520
our last SLUP and from our current

2994
01:59:13,599 --> 01:59:18,560
experience with the school in a similar

2995
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:21,840
location and setup. Um, so I do think

2996
01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:23,840
that it would benefit the uh the

2997
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:26,239
residents and the local businesses and

2998
01:59:23,840 --> 01:59:27,840
schools like ours. Um, this particular

2999
01:59:26,239 --> 01:59:30,960
building we're looking at has now been

3000
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:33,040
on the market for 767 days, the seller

3001
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:35,679
is having a really hard time selling a

3002
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:37,360
30,000 foot office space. And because

3003
01:59:35,679 --> 01:59:39,119
it's built into a hill, it's very hard

3004
01:59:37,360 --> 01:59:41,280
to subdivide. So, there just a lot of

3005
01:59:39,119 --> 01:59:43,520
little things that make it hard to sell

3006
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:45,119
it as an office and there are a lot of

3007
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:46,960
little things that make it great as a

3008
01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:49,199
school. You know, when we are looking

3009
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:51,440
for a school, you're thinking about

3010
01:59:49,199 --> 01:59:53,760
drains. I'm thinking about what will our

3011
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:55,440
kids enjoy, right? and there's a lot of

3012
01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:57,119
natural light and there's a lot of green

3013
01:59:55,440 --> 02:00:00,080
space and there are a lot of things that

3014
01:59:57,119 --> 02:00:02,239
to me say this could be a great school.

3015
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:04,800
Um, but I'd love to answer more of your

3016
02:00:02,239 --> 02:00:06,000
questions about the things that are of

3017
02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:08,400
concern to you.

3018
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:11,520
» Thank you. Uh, the students that attend,

3019
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:13,840
it'll be 136 or there's 136 students.

3020
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:14,960
Are any of those Delta residents?

3021
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:16,080
» Yes.

3022
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:17,840
» Do you know how many?

3023
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:18,719
» I think it's four families.

3024
02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:19,760
» Thank you.

3025
02:00:18,719 --> 02:00:23,199
» Any other questions?

3026
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:24,239
» Only four families. Do you offer sports?

3027
02:00:23,199 --> 02:00:24,639
» We do not.

3028
02:00:24,239 --> 02:00:26,320
» Okay.

3029
02:00:24,639 --> 02:00:28,480
» So, you won't be building any sports

3030
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:30,719
fields or anything on this property?

3031
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:33,040
» I'm not sure if this property will allow

3032
02:00:30,719 --> 02:00:34,960
it. Um, it borders Curior Creek, which

3033
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:37,199
is really awesome, which will be super

3034
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:39,280
fun for recess, but it doesn't really

3035
02:00:37,199 --> 02:00:40,560
suggest a soccer field to me.

3036
02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:42,400
» It would all be on a slope.

3037
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:45,040
» So, you're saying you would let kids go

3038
02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:45,679
out into this wooded area behind the

3039
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:48,400
school?

3040
02:00:45,679 --> 02:00:50,000
» Yes. Yes. Our kids love building forts

3041
02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:52,560
and playing with sticks and climbing

3042
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:55,360
trees during recess.

3043
02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:58,000
What if a child falls in the river? We

3044
02:00:55,360 --> 02:01:00,159
would We have recess monitors who are

3045
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:01,920
out there. Um,

3046
02:01:00,159 --> 02:01:03,679
» Yeah. And I welcome you to come out and

3047
02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:05,440
observe what it's like. There are

3048
02:01:03,679 --> 02:01:08,480
already little bridges and boardwalks

3049
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:11,199
built out in those woods. So, it's it's

3050
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:13,679
not like kids are unsupervised. Okay. Do

3051
02:01:11,199 --> 02:01:16,560
you offer special education? We do.

3052
02:01:13,679 --> 02:01:18,639
Okay. Good. And I just I want to point

3053
02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:21,360
out I don't know if you're a frequent

3054
02:01:18,639 --> 02:01:23,360
viewer of our township board meetings or

3055
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:26,239
anything like that. And when I mentioned

3056
02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:28,080
safety and I mentioned our deputies, I I

3057
02:01:26,239 --> 02:01:31,360
didn't want to bring it up again

3058
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:33,760
necessarily, but I just want to say that

3059
02:01:31,360 --> 02:01:35,679
there are hotels in that area that have

3060
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:38,719
human trafficking, that have sex

3061
02:01:35,679 --> 02:01:41,920
trafficking, child trafficking. And so I

3062
02:01:38,719 --> 02:01:45,440
just I just want you to know that

3063
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:47,840
I don't ever want to be responsible for

3064
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:50,000
making any decision that puts a child in

3065
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:52,080
harm's way. And I know that you're

3066
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:54,960
you're over here on Westerure and it's

3067
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:58,239
not that far, but that is so much more

3068
02:01:54,960 --> 02:02:02,000
public and visible from those main trunk

3069
02:01:58,239 --> 02:02:04,480
roads than this location is. And and it

3070
02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:06,639
scares me to put a school there. So

3071
02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:08,880
» Yeah, I think that's definitely a valid

3072
02:02:06,639 --> 02:02:11,040
concern. I don't know if that concern

3073
02:02:08,880 --> 02:02:12,719
goes away with a restriction on where

3074
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:13,280
the primary access is though,

3075
02:02:12,719 --> 02:02:16,080
» Right?

3076
02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:18,719
» Um that really is up to the school

3077
02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:22,000
security. We are right next to a hotel

3078
02:02:18,719 --> 02:02:24,639
right now. Um, we considered putting a

3079
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:27,360
fence between us and the hotel, but the

3080
02:02:24,639 --> 02:02:29,760
hotel with a we have an arrangement

3081
02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:32,080
where they keep their door open 24/7 so

3082
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:33,920
that if we had an emergency, our

3083
02:02:32,080 --> 02:02:35,760
students and had if the students had to

3084
02:02:33,920 --> 02:02:38,960
leave the building, they could use that

3085
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:41,040
property as well. So, there are risks

3086
02:02:38,960 --> 02:02:43,520
and there are benefits when you have

3087
02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:46,080
neighbors like that. Um, and again, I

3088
02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:46,960
think that will be the case wherever we

3089
02:02:46,080 --> 02:02:49,199
go.

3090
02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:51,840
» Very good. Thank you so much. Thank you.

3091
02:02:49,199 --> 02:02:55,360
You're welcome to have a seat.

3092
02:02:51,840 --> 02:02:59,440
» Okay. So, we have an option here. There

3093
02:02:55,360 --> 02:03:04,000
is this request. Um

3094
02:02:59,440 --> 02:03:06,000
you can someone can move it or not.

3095
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:08,880
If it is not moved,

3096
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:10,480
» Nothing happens for lack of movement.

3097
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:12,639
» If someone would like to move it, we can

3098
02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:15,840
move forward with it.

3099
02:03:12,639 --> 02:03:18,480
» What is the desire of the board?

3100
02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:21,920
Well, I thought Peter had laid out a few

3101
02:03:18,480 --> 02:03:25,599
options, not just kind of a yes or no.

3102
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:27,119
I'm moving forward with this motion.

3103
02:03:25,599 --> 02:03:31,280
I do think there might

3104
02:03:27,119 --> 02:03:33,119
» Have to amend it. It's it's written as

3105
02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:35,119
proof the introduction of the proposal.

3106
02:03:33,119 --> 02:03:37,199
So, if you want to amend it.

3107
02:03:35,119 --> 02:03:40,239
» Yeah, I I would just say I don't know if

3108
02:03:37,199 --> 02:03:42,400
we're prepared to do that tonight. I

3109
02:03:40,239 --> 02:03:45,520
would like to work I would hope we could

3110
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:48,480
work on language. I don't know what then

3111
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:50,560
that motion is, but work on language to

3112
02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:54,320
nuance this to provide a little more

3113
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:57,920
clarity around the policy and not be as

3114
02:03:54,320 --> 02:03:59,599
broad as it's currently proposed.

3115
02:03:57,920 --> 02:04:00,400
» We'll let Peter answer and then treasure

3116
02:03:59,599 --> 02:04:02,639
feeding.

3117
02:04:00,400 --> 02:04:05,360
» I guess the only thing I would we have a

3118
02:04:02,639 --> 02:04:07,599
paid request in front of us to

3119
02:04:05,360 --> 02:04:09,760
adjudicate would are you suggesting then

3120
02:04:07,599 --> 02:04:11,599
staff like take over that process to re

3121
02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:13,840
review the policy and propose a

3122
02:04:11,599 --> 02:04:15,760
different policy to the board?

3123
02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:18,400
that addresses a similar situation to

3124
02:04:15,760 --> 02:04:22,560
this or

3125
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:25,679
» Yes I as I mentioned earlier I think

3126
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:28,080
there may be

3127
02:04:25,679 --> 02:04:31,280
because this is written for example just

3128
02:04:28,080 --> 02:04:34,639
to exempt non-public schools

3129
02:04:31,280 --> 02:04:36,960
I think probably the size of the school

3130
02:04:34,639 --> 02:04:38,800
and the appropriateness on you know

3131
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:41,840
where it's located if there's room for

3132
02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:44,080
state like there are other factors

3133
02:04:41,840 --> 02:04:46,159
beyond being a nonpublic public school

3134
02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:48,639
that are

3135
02:04:46,159 --> 02:04:51,119
also critical to ensure it's an

3136
02:04:48,639 --> 02:04:54,719
appropriate location.

3137
02:04:51,119 --> 02:04:57,360
Not just, you know,

3138
02:04:54,719 --> 02:04:59,360
the non-primary road is an appropriate

3139
02:04:57,360 --> 02:05:02,000
location.

3140
02:04:59,360 --> 02:05:06,719
And I'm not sure with this ordinance we

3141
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:09,280
have the ability to kind of address

3142
02:05:06,719 --> 02:05:12,080
those issues. Maybe we do. I don't I

3143
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:14,960
don't I don't think that's what we heard

3144
02:05:12,080 --> 02:05:17,520
from you that those issues about

3145
02:05:14,960 --> 02:05:19,520
stacking vehicles and that for drop off

3146
02:05:17,520 --> 02:05:22,560
or there's nothing to say there couldn't

3147
02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:25,360
be a bus at a non-public school. So, are

3148
02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:29,119
there busing concerns that

3149
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:30,880
we need to think about in you know a

3150
02:05:29,119 --> 02:05:34,239
broad

3151
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:37,760
in a policy change beyond just the

3152
02:05:34,239 --> 02:05:40,480
non-public school factor?

3153
02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:42,480
I thought I heard you say yes earlier.

3154
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:45,679
» Yeah, I would certainly I would reply to

3155
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:47,920
any and tackle anything assigned by by

3156
02:05:45,679 --> 02:05:49,360
the board for sure. I just wanted to

3157
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:51,199
clarify I guess the the current

3158
02:05:49,360 --> 02:05:53,119
application under consideration and then

3159
02:05:51,199 --> 02:05:55,920
the assignment like essentially what we

3160
02:05:53,119 --> 02:05:58,880
we would then I'm saying take over but

3161
02:05:55,920 --> 02:06:00,960
we would we would take the policy review

3162
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:03,199
re it revise it propose something

3163
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:05,520
different to the board that would work

3164
02:06:03,199 --> 02:06:08,560
out for that would essentially enable

3165
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:11,119
what they what they're trying to do.

3166
02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:14,080
» I'm open to that and just I guess it'd

3167
02:06:11,119 --> 02:06:16,080
be helpful to know from the applicant. I

3168
02:06:14,080 --> 02:06:18,000
don't know if there are time

3169
02:06:16,080 --> 02:06:21,199
sensitivities,

3170
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:24,320
what the urgency may be, kind of

3171
02:06:21,199 --> 02:06:27,920
openness to giving us some time to be a

3172
02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:30,480
little more

3173
02:06:27,920 --> 02:06:34,639
um

3174
02:06:30,480 --> 02:06:37,360
maybe narrow in kind of how we change

3175
02:06:34,639 --> 02:06:38,880
the ordinance. Um, and I don't mean

3176
02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:40,960
narrow in a way that's going to be

3177
02:06:38,880 --> 02:06:44,880
prohibitive. I we understand what your

3178
02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:47,040
needs are. Um, but again, this is a

3179
02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:49,679
policy

3180
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:52,560
that applies townshipwide, not just to

3181
02:06:49,679 --> 02:06:55,040
to this specific situation. So, wanting

3182
02:06:52,560 --> 02:06:57,920
to make sure we're thinking about it in

3183
02:06:55,040 --> 02:07:01,360
that lens and ensuring there's the

3184
02:06:57,920 --> 02:07:04,960
safety provisions built in the way we

3185
02:07:01,360 --> 02:07:07,360
refine our current ordinance. And so

3186
02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:09,840
assuming that's acceptable to the

3187
02:07:07,360 --> 02:07:13,119
applicant, again, I don't know what time

3188
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:17,199
sensitivities there may be, but I think

3189
02:07:13,119 --> 02:07:20,079
I I'd be hopeful we can come to a place

3190
02:07:17,199 --> 02:07:22,480
um that might work where the board would

3191
02:07:20,079 --> 02:07:26,000
be comfortable

3192
02:07:22,480 --> 02:07:28,159
if we could help support the school.

3193
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:29,760
» Treasure Fed, I will let him address his

3194
02:07:28,159 --> 02:07:33,480
question and then see where we are.

3195
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:33,480
» Thank you. Um

3196
02:07:34,159 --> 02:07:38,560
And Peter, you're right. We have a

3197
02:07:35,599 --> 02:07:42,400
single issue before us. And so we say

3198
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:45,440
yes, we say no. Um we can say no. And we

3199
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:49,920
would like staff to look at this uh as a

3200
02:07:45,440 --> 02:07:52,000
general policy review um determining

3201
02:07:49,920 --> 02:07:56,000
what was the original intent of

3202
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:59,679
requiring this. Do those elements still

3203
02:07:56,000 --> 02:08:02,400
are they still valid? And if so, um, are

3204
02:07:59,679 --> 02:08:06,400
they particular to any particular type

3205
02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:08,320
of usage? And I don't know how old this

3206
02:08:06,400 --> 02:08:12,159
ordinance is,

3207
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:15,360
but one thing I don't agree with is to

3208
02:08:12,159 --> 02:08:17,520
sit there and say work with staff to try

3209
02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:19,119
to make this work for an applicant where

3210
02:08:17,520 --> 02:08:20,639
we haven't even made a determination

3211
02:08:19,119 --> 02:08:22,880
whether we want to change the ordinance

3212
02:08:20,639 --> 02:08:25,199
at all depending on whatever the staff

3213
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:27,440
comes back with. I think that's sort of

3214
02:08:25,199 --> 02:08:29,440
prejuditial and I don't want to imply

3215
02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:32,000
the staff that they should take that

3216
02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:33,760
avenue. Um I think we should look at

3217
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:38,159
this objectively

3218
02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:39,840
um and determine that we have

3219
02:08:38,159 --> 02:08:42,079
allowed

3220
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:43,599
exceptions to this under other

3221
02:08:42,079 --> 02:08:48,719
circumstances

3222
02:08:43,599 --> 02:08:51,840
and why doesn't that avenue exist?

3223
02:08:48,719 --> 02:08:54,800
Why take the all or nothing approach of

3224
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:58,880
just changing our ordinance as exemption

3225
02:08:54,800 --> 02:09:01,920
carblanc in perpetuity? So I would

3226
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:04,079
prefer that just a a real good objective

3227
02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:05,360
review of the ordinance, what we've

3228
02:09:04,079 --> 02:09:07,840
allowed in the past, what are the

3229
02:09:05,360 --> 02:09:09,599
reasons, what other criteria is there in

3230
02:09:07,840 --> 02:09:13,520
this day and age and make a

3231
02:09:09,599 --> 02:09:16,159
determination. Do we make is there a

3232
02:09:13,520 --> 02:09:20,079
reason that we should maybe amend the

3233
02:09:16,159 --> 02:09:21,760
ordinance? Okay. and if so, how? And

3234
02:09:20,079 --> 02:09:24,000
that's going to take some time

3235
02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:26,239
» Regardless of whatever the timeline is

3236
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:28,159
of a particular applicant because again,

3237
02:09:26,239 --> 02:09:30,480
this has far more reaching implications

3238
02:09:28,159 --> 02:09:34,000
than a particular applicant at this

3239
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:34,400
point in time. That's just that's how I

3240
02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:36,800
feel.

3241
02:09:34,400 --> 02:09:40,000
» Thank you. Any other comments?

3242
02:09:36,800 --> 02:09:41,920
» Should we move to table this to a a

3243
02:09:40,000 --> 02:09:42,560
future meeting or just leave it

3244
02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:45,520
» If

3245
02:09:42,560 --> 02:09:46,480
» For tableabling it or what? what

3246
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:50,000
» For discussion

3247
02:09:46,480 --> 02:09:51,360
» Staff to explore it further

3248
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:53,280
» For what it's worth. I mean I could come

3249
02:09:51,360 --> 02:09:54,880
back with something to um Trusty

3250
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:57,440
Kascrilla's point. I could come back

3251
02:09:54,880 --> 02:10:00,159
with a review of this I think by the

3252
02:09:57,440 --> 02:10:01,840
October 5th meeting

3253
02:10:00,159 --> 02:10:04,880
» If if desired.

3254
02:10:01,840 --> 02:10:07,119
» So if it were tabled we could table it

3255
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:10,239
until the October 5th meeting and you

3256
02:10:07,119 --> 02:10:13,440
will do more research. I I am concerned

3257
02:10:10,239 --> 02:10:16,560
anytime I see where we're considering

3258
02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:19,199
putting in blanket exception and on an

3259
02:10:16,560 --> 02:10:22,400
ordinance that that's a hands out for

3260
02:10:19,199 --> 02:10:24,639
me. Um and I'm very concerned that this

3261
02:10:22,400 --> 02:10:27,280
is so close to hotel property and just

3262
02:10:24,639 --> 02:10:30,079
the safety issues. I imagine the school

3263
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:32,400
will turn corners to protect every child

3264
02:10:30,079 --> 02:10:34,639
in that school, but it's hard to protect

3265
02:10:32,400 --> 02:10:37,599
when you're already in an environment

3266
02:10:34,639 --> 02:10:39,760
where there could very well be

3267
02:10:37,599 --> 02:10:42,719
situation. So, I'm really concerned with

3268
02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:45,679
the location and I'm extremely concerned

3269
02:10:42,719 --> 02:10:47,360
with a blanket exception extremely I'm

3270
02:10:45,679 --> 02:10:49,440
very uncomfortable with that. But I it

3271
02:10:47,360 --> 02:10:51,360
is always the desire of the board and

3272
02:10:49,440 --> 02:10:53,040
the body and the majority of the body on

3273
02:10:51,360 --> 02:10:55,599
what they want to do. So having said

3274
02:10:53,040 --> 02:10:57,920
that, what is the desire of the board

3275
02:10:55,599 --> 02:10:59,440
for this particular

3276
02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:01,920
um

3277
02:10:59,440 --> 02:11:04,320
item? Do you want to move it as is? Do

3278
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:07,280
you want to amend the motion and present

3279
02:11:04,320 --> 02:11:09,679
an alternative motion? I see Treasurer

3280
02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:11,280
Fidawa, Trusty Kascarella.

3281
02:11:09,679 --> 02:11:14,800
» Yeah, I mean this is just my personal

3282
02:11:11,280 --> 02:11:16,560
opinion. Um this thing just does not

3283
02:11:14,800 --> 02:11:19,199
move fair forward if there's not a

3284
02:11:16,560 --> 02:11:21,760
motion and a support and there's no

3285
02:11:19,199 --> 02:11:25,520
action. So, but if we table it, it's

3286
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:27,040
tabled as is and it comes back as is.

3287
02:11:25,520 --> 02:11:28,960
So, I don't know if that's what we want

3288
02:11:27,040 --> 02:11:30,560
to do. And if

3289
02:11:28,960 --> 02:11:33,040
» Is the right way to say that to postpone

3290
02:11:30,560 --> 02:11:34,800
it to the October 5th meeting? I think

3291
02:11:33,040 --> 02:11:35,440
it's postponed specifically to go to a

3292
02:11:34,800 --> 02:11:36,800
different meeting.

3293
02:11:35,440 --> 02:11:37,360
» But if you postpone it, you're still

3294
02:11:36,800 --> 02:11:38,639
reading language.

3295
02:11:37,360 --> 02:11:40,960
» Yeah, you're bringing back the same

3296
02:11:38,639 --> 02:11:42,079
» Same language. So, unless Hold on, hold

3297
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:43,760
on.

3298
02:11:42,079 --> 02:11:45,840
» Here and then here. Sorry. Sorry.

3299
02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:49,599
» Yeah. I was going to propose tableabling

3300
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:54,400
till October 5th. I believe we as with

3301
02:11:49,599 --> 02:11:56,159
any motion proposal we can amend that.

3302
02:11:54,400 --> 02:11:59,119
» You could always amend it.

3303
02:11:56,159 --> 02:12:03,840
» Yes. And so we have that

3304
02:11:59,119 --> 02:12:07,480
» Um privilege at that time when we have

3305
02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:07,480
additional information.

3306
02:12:07,840 --> 02:12:11,840
» One second. One second.

3307
02:12:10,239 --> 02:12:14,320
» You can prop you can you could change

3308
02:12:11,840 --> 02:12:16,239
the if someone applied to go to R A you

3309
02:12:14,320 --> 02:12:17,199
could change it to RB in your approval.

3310
02:12:16,239 --> 02:12:19,119
Just for example, right?

3311
02:12:17,199 --> 02:12:22,880
» Yes, we can do. We have that authority

3312
02:12:19,119 --> 02:12:25,280
to do that. Trusty Moa,

3313
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:27,280
I was just thinking I'm okay with

3314
02:12:25,280 --> 02:12:29,920
bringing it back maybe with different

3315
02:12:27,280 --> 02:12:32,400
language. I'm not I'm not opposed to

3316
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:34,000
some type of change. I think what we're

3317
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:36,239
all having trouble is that whole blanket

3318
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:39,280
that says to exempt non-public schools,

3319
02:12:36,239 --> 02:12:41,360
which which exempts everybody like D

3320
02:12:39,280 --> 02:12:43,520
everybody. So, I would say if there was

3321
02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:45,679
a way to change that verbiage and then

3322
02:12:43,520 --> 02:12:48,239
bring it back, I think that that would

3323
02:12:45,679 --> 02:12:49,599
be a rational, you know, thing to bring

3324
02:12:48,239 --> 02:12:52,000
back to the board and then we can decide

3325
02:12:49,599 --> 02:12:53,280
on that verbiage. Is that said

3326
02:12:52,000 --> 02:12:56,960
correctly?

3327
02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:59,280
» So, if we postpone it until October 5th,

3328
02:12:56,960 --> 02:13:01,280
that means we don't take any action on

3329
02:12:59,280 --> 02:13:03,520
the motion at this time. We just

3330
02:13:01,280 --> 02:13:04,800
postponing it.

3331
02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:06,880
Is everybody clear? Is that

3332
02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:09,679
» Do we postpone it with a to bring back

3333
02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:12,639
with amended language? That would be the

3334
02:13:09,679 --> 02:13:14,320
goal is that it would not come back the

3335
02:13:12,639 --> 02:13:14,639
way it is here today,

3336
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:18,000
» Right?

3337
02:13:14,639 --> 02:13:20,800
» And if it does with explanation as to

3338
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:23,360
why it needs to come back that way,

3339
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:24,320
» Is that meeting with everyone's thought?

3340
02:13:23,360 --> 02:13:25,040
» Question.

3341
02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:27,199
» Yes,

3342
02:13:25,040 --> 02:13:28,960
» Peter. October 5th, is that enough time

3343
02:13:27,199 --> 02:13:30,800
for you to do the background research on

3344
02:13:28,960 --> 02:13:34,079
this and come up with uh and and there's

3345
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:37,040
two questions here. One is do we change

3346
02:13:34,079 --> 02:13:39,360
the ordinance and if so, why and how?

3347
02:13:37,040 --> 02:13:41,119
And the other is do we approve this

3348
02:13:39,360 --> 02:13:43,040
period? Okay. Because I've heard some

3349
02:13:41,119 --> 02:13:46,400
concerns about the location for the the

3350
02:13:43,040 --> 02:13:47,840
school which separate and distinct from

3351
02:13:46,400 --> 02:13:49,119
changing the ordinance.

3352
02:13:47,840 --> 02:13:52,079
» Mhm.

3353
02:13:49,119 --> 02:13:54,000
» So I just don't want to confuse the two.

3354
02:13:52,079 --> 02:13:56,320
And then the third thing again is this

3355
02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:58,400
enough time for Peter and staff

3356
02:13:56,320 --> 02:14:00,480
» October 5th to come back to something.

3357
02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:01,520
I'll move quickly. Um just if I could

3358
02:14:00,480 --> 02:14:03,760
repeat what I'm hearing just to make

3359
02:14:01,520 --> 02:14:06,159
sure I'm understanding. So, the the

3360
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:07,840
intent from the from the board is to

3361
02:14:06,159 --> 02:14:10,480
bring this back at the October 5th

3362
02:14:07,840 --> 02:14:12,560
meeting, have staff look at potentially

3363
02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:14,079
another way that this could be rephrased

3364
02:14:12,560 --> 02:14:17,840
or at least provide some additional

3365
02:14:14,079 --> 02:14:19,920
context and information as to how to get

3366
02:14:17,840 --> 02:14:22,639
to the same place, but maybe with a

3367
02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:24,719
little more um I'll say a little more

3368
02:14:22,639 --> 02:14:27,440
fleshed out language that would provide

3369
02:14:24,719 --> 02:14:30,639
some um safeguards in place or at least

3370
02:14:27,440 --> 02:14:33,760
some reasonings as to why um they may or

3371
02:14:30,639 --> 02:14:34,800
may not work. Am

3372
02:14:33,760 --> 02:14:37,760
I hearing that correctly?

3373
02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:40,320
» And and I think that the top priority

3374
02:14:37,760 --> 02:14:41,520
should be should we make this change at

3375
02:14:40,320 --> 02:14:43,440
all?

3376
02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:46,159
» You know, I want to hear the reasoning

3377
02:14:43,440 --> 02:14:49,119
of why based on the application of one

3378
02:14:46,159 --> 02:14:50,639
person, one applicant, based on one

3379
02:14:49,119 --> 02:14:52,960
location that they're considering

3380
02:14:50,639 --> 02:14:55,679
buying, why we should change the

3381
02:14:52,960 --> 02:14:57,840
ordinances for the whole township. And I

3382
02:14:55,679 --> 02:15:00,880
think that that supersedes, you know,

3383
02:14:57,840 --> 02:15:02,400
how and why we would change it. Do we

3384
02:15:00,880 --> 02:15:05,040
want to change it at all? Do we need to

3385
02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:06,800
change it? You know, is this really a

3386
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:11,800
situation where we're going to take all

3387
02:15:06,800 --> 02:15:11,800
of this action for one situation?

3388
02:15:12,239 --> 02:15:14,320
» Supervisor Brewer.

3389
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:16,719
» Yes. Yes, ma'am.

3390
02:15:14,320 --> 02:15:20,800
» Yeah. If I just may, I I just want to

3391
02:15:16,719 --> 02:15:22,639
point out in response to that um

3392
02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:27,199
we do

3393
02:15:22,639 --> 02:15:30,719
already have an example today of

3394
02:15:27,199 --> 02:15:32,320
that the proposed policy working

3395
02:15:30,719 --> 02:15:35,360
effectively.

3396
02:15:32,320 --> 02:15:38,639
Uh the school is located

3397
02:15:35,360 --> 02:15:41,360
in a non-primary road today

3398
02:15:38,639 --> 02:15:43,440
and is operating and and hasn't had any

3399
02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:45,280
safety issues and is operating

3400
02:15:43,440 --> 02:15:48,480
effectively. So, I just want to point

3401
02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:53,280
that out. We have that case example

3402
02:15:48,480 --> 02:15:56,880
today. It was unfortunately done

3403
02:15:53,280 --> 02:16:01,440
inappropriately, not by the school, but

3404
02:15:56,880 --> 02:16:04,159
by township action, but it is operating

3405
02:16:01,440 --> 02:16:06,639
today without issue. They've just

3406
02:16:04,159 --> 02:16:07,679
outgrown that location.

3407
02:16:06,639 --> 02:16:08,320
» Supervisor Brewer.

3408
02:16:07,679 --> 02:16:12,000
» Yes.

3409
02:16:08,320 --> 02:16:14,400
» If I could. Yes, it's a non-m main road

3410
02:16:12,000 --> 02:16:19,440
west, but it is right on the corner of

3411
02:16:14,400 --> 02:16:21,520
canal. It is not hidden back behind all

3412
02:16:19,440 --> 02:16:23,760
kinds of other buildings and with trees

3413
02:16:21,520 --> 02:16:25,840
and things like that. And if we change

3414
02:16:23,760 --> 02:16:28,639
the ordinance to say, sure, if you're a

3415
02:16:25,840 --> 02:16:32,080
non-public school, you can locate on a

3416
02:16:28,639 --> 02:16:34,399
non-main road. I mean, who knows where

3417
02:16:32,080 --> 02:16:37,040
the next non-main road will be. Maybe

3418
02:16:34,399 --> 02:16:39,840
it'll be, you know, a dirt road or, you

3419
02:16:37,040 --> 02:16:42,000
know, something else. And so I think

3420
02:16:39,840 --> 02:16:44,559
pointing to it and saying that it's on a

3421
02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:46,399
non-made road now. I think that's just

3422
02:16:44,559 --> 02:16:48,319
it's it's almost semantics that it's

3423
02:16:46,399 --> 02:16:49,840
Westerure as their address instead of

3424
02:16:48,319 --> 02:16:51,840
canal because they're right on that

3425
02:16:49,840 --> 02:16:53,120
corner.

3426
02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:55,040
» Thank you.

3427
02:16:53,120 --> 02:16:55,760
» So Peter, you have your job cut out for

3428
02:16:55,040 --> 02:16:57,040
you.

3429
02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:59,200
» I understand the direction. I appreciate

3430
02:16:57,040 --> 02:17:01,040
the conversation. So thank you. May

3431
02:16:59,200 --> 02:17:02,719
» I add? It'd be nice if we knew because

3432
02:17:01,040 --> 02:17:04,800
it looks like some of the schools are

3433
02:17:02,719 --> 02:17:06,800
located in Lancing if they have what

3434
02:17:04,800 --> 02:17:09,120
their ordinances and policies are

3435
02:17:06,800 --> 02:17:10,719
surrounding it. and the the schools that

3436
02:17:09,120 --> 02:17:13,200
the applicant the list they provided.

3437
02:17:10,719 --> 02:17:13,920
Yeah, we we'll take a look. Yeah.

3438
02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:16,160
» Thank you.

3439
02:17:13,920 --> 02:17:18,479
» Thanks.

3440
02:17:16,160 --> 02:17:21,200
» So, we are at a place that we're going

3441
02:17:18,479 --> 02:17:24,479
to

3442
02:17:21,200 --> 02:17:26,639
» Um postpone this one. So, there's no

3443
02:17:24,479 --> 02:17:28,800
action needed. Manager Reed, we're just

3444
02:17:26,639 --> 02:17:32,639
going to postpone this until the October

3445
02:17:28,800 --> 02:17:34,240
5th and um Director Mener will bring

3446
02:17:32,639 --> 02:17:36,880
this back or let us know if you're not

3447
02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:38,960
ready October 5th. don't feel like I've

3448
02:17:36,880 --> 02:17:42,080
got I'm under this mandate October 5th

3449
02:17:38,960 --> 02:17:45,679
and it is if you are not ready to be

3450
02:17:42,080 --> 02:17:47,359
prepared to answer the questions um and

3451
02:17:45,679 --> 02:17:50,399
let allow the board members to either

3452
02:17:47,359 --> 02:17:52,800
say yay or nay um please let us know so

3453
02:17:50,399 --> 02:17:55,519
we're not putting you under any brush

3454
02:17:52,800 --> 02:18:00,240
fire for October 5th. I I'm sure it's

3455
02:17:55,519 --> 02:18:01,679
important um for our um to um the young

3456
02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:03,840
lady, the wonderful lady who presented

3457
02:18:01,679 --> 02:18:05,599
this to us on behalf of her client, but

3458
02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:08,080
we want to make sure that your staff has

3459
02:18:05,599 --> 02:18:10,000
the time to do the research that we need

3460
02:18:08,080 --> 02:18:12,719
done before it comes back to the board

3461
02:18:10,000 --> 02:18:14,559
table.

3462
02:18:12,719 --> 02:18:16,080
Cough and all. Thank you. You okay?

3463
02:18:14,559 --> 02:18:18,559
» Y

3464
02:18:16,080 --> 02:18:20,160
» All right. Good. Um we are now down to

3465
02:18:18,559 --> 02:18:22,000
item number 13 which is the

3466
02:18:20,160 --> 02:18:24,960
intergovernmental police services

3467
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:28,000
agreement for Waverly schools a school

3468
02:18:24,960 --> 02:18:29,359
resource officer and manager me looks

3469
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:33,040
like he's going to tell us about this

3470
02:18:29,359 --> 02:18:36,719
one this is uh something we discussed as

3471
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:40,319
a board um in July at least the concept

3472
02:18:36,719 --> 02:18:42,479
of it uh you saw the agreement um

3473
02:18:40,319 --> 02:18:45,200
somewhat reflected in our budget with

3474
02:18:42,479 --> 02:18:47,359
the $150,000

3475
02:18:45,200 --> 02:18:51,280
u payment from Waverly schools

3476
02:18:47,359 --> 02:18:54,639
Um, we finally uh were able to get to

3477
02:18:51,280 --> 02:18:56,719
agreement on a language triparty

3478
02:18:54,639 --> 02:18:59,040
agreement because it's a somewhat

3479
02:18:56,719 --> 02:19:00,800
complex situation with the employee

3480
02:18:59,040 --> 02:19:03,679
being a county employee through the

3481
02:19:00,800 --> 02:19:06,719
township's contract serving Waverly

3482
02:19:03,679 --> 02:19:09,599
Schools um which I consider serving all

3483
02:19:06,719 --> 02:19:12,160
of um Delta because having the school

3484
02:19:09,599 --> 02:19:14,960
resource officer as we discussed is very

3485
02:19:12,160 --> 02:19:17,280
helpful um to the township and keeps our

3486
02:19:14,960 --> 02:19:19,840
deputies on the road and it and really

3487
02:19:17,280 --> 02:19:23,040
provides a preventative

3488
02:19:19,840 --> 02:19:25,040
um you know whatever the saying is the

3489
02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:27,519
ounce of prevention

3490
02:19:25,040 --> 02:19:30,080
um is uh very helpful and I think

3491
02:19:27,519 --> 02:19:32,319
Captain Block has spoken to that. So,

3492
02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:34,559
the agreement uh just has some

3493
02:19:32,319 --> 02:19:38,000
protections for the township, similar to

3494
02:19:34,559 --> 02:19:40,559
our police agreement. If the county

3495
02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:42,639
strikes a more beneficial deal with

3496
02:19:40,559 --> 02:19:48,000
another school district, that we would

3497
02:19:42,639 --> 02:19:50,240
be able to open up our our contract. Um

3498
02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:53,280
there is some protections if there's a

3499
02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:57,600
long-term injury um or that type of

3500
02:19:53,280 --> 02:19:59,680
thing and some termination uh clauses.

3501
02:19:57,600 --> 02:20:02,399
Um much of this language was built off

3502
02:19:59,680 --> 02:20:04,800
the existing agreement with between

3503
02:20:02,399 --> 02:20:06,240
Waverly and the county. If you just

3504
02:20:04,800 --> 02:20:10,399
remember when we did the police

3505
02:20:06,240 --> 02:20:13,760
contract, we did foresee a time where

3506
02:20:10,399 --> 02:20:17,280
that SRO would be under our command here

3507
02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:20,479
in Delta uh because it just made sense

3508
02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:24,640
um and Waverly Schools are almost

3509
02:20:20,479 --> 02:20:27,280
primarily all in Delta Township. So, um,

3510
02:20:24,640 --> 02:20:29,600
with that, I think my memo spells out. I

3511
02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:32,000
apologize for bringing this forward as a

3512
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:34,240
purple sheet, but the existing agreement

3513
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:36,800
expires October 1st. It's my

3514
02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:39,439
understanding that they have an SRO

3515
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:41,439
candidate ready to

3516
02:20:39,439 --> 02:20:43,760
um start. So, the school has done

3517
02:20:41,439 --> 02:20:46,960
without one so far this school year. So,

3518
02:20:43,760 --> 02:20:49,280
they're eager to get going. So, the the

3519
02:20:46,960 --> 02:20:54,240
stars have kind of aligned um to get it

3520
02:20:49,280 --> 02:20:59,000
on to this tonight's meeting agenda.

3521
02:20:54,240 --> 02:20:59,000
» Thank you. Is there a motion?

3522
02:20:59,840 --> 02:21:02,399
» Oh.

3523
02:21:01,040 --> 02:21:02,560
» Oh, I thought you had your hand up on

3524
02:21:02,399 --> 02:21:05,760
there.

3525
02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:05,760
» I did, but she did it, too.

3526
02:21:06,800 --> 02:21:10,640
I move that the Delta Township Board

3527
02:21:08,640 --> 02:21:13,120
approve the three-year triparty

3528
02:21:10,640 --> 02:21:15,920
intergovernmental um police services

3529
02:21:13,120 --> 02:21:18,319
agreement between the township, Eaton

3530
02:21:15,920 --> 02:21:19,439
County, and Waverly Community Schools. I

3531
02:21:18,319 --> 02:21:21,520
further move that the township

3532
02:21:19,439 --> 02:21:23,439
supervisor be authorized and directed to

3533
02:21:21,520 --> 02:21:24,240
sign the agreement on behalf of the

3534
02:21:23,439 --> 02:21:24,800
township.

3535
02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:25,280
» Excellent.

3536
02:21:24,800 --> 02:21:27,439
» Support.

3537
02:21:25,280 --> 02:21:29,600
» It's been moved and supported. Is there

3538
02:21:27,439 --> 02:21:31,280
any discussion?

3539
02:21:29,600 --> 02:21:33,760
» Hearing none, all in favor?

3540
02:21:31,280 --> 02:21:35,760
» I. Any opposed? That motion passes

3541
02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:36,720
unanimously. Thank you, manager Reed,

3542
02:21:35,760 --> 02:21:37,280
for that.

3543
02:21:36,720 --> 02:21:41,760
» Thank you.

3544
02:21:37,280 --> 02:21:44,560
» We are now down to the manager's report.

3545
02:21:41,760 --> 02:21:46,160
» Sure. Um I will try to keep it brief

3546
02:21:44,560 --> 02:21:48,880
since we've had a long meeting. I just

3547
02:21:46,160 --> 02:21:52,080
wanted to give a quick update on a

3548
02:21:48,880 --> 02:21:56,240
couple of our projects. Um update on the

3549
02:21:52,080 --> 02:21:59,520
pathway. Um that project had stalled a

3550
02:21:56,240 --> 02:22:01,439
couple weeks ago um in order for Board

3551
02:21:59,520 --> 02:22:03,359
of Water and Light to continue to move

3552
02:22:01,439 --> 02:22:07,359
their poles and then they needed time

3553
02:22:03,359 --> 02:22:10,240
for the comm's company to move their

3554
02:22:07,359 --> 02:22:13,520
technology off the poles which uh I

3555
02:22:10,240 --> 02:22:16,399
understand has finally happened. Um so

3556
02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:18,880
BWL still has to remove the remaining

3557
02:22:16,399 --> 02:22:22,479
poles. So, we were hoping that our

3558
02:22:18,880 --> 02:22:26,960
contractor will remobilize um likely

3559
02:22:22,479 --> 02:22:29,680
next week. Um and then uh hopefully uh

3560
02:22:26,960 --> 02:22:31,359
the the pathway will be um completed in

3561
02:22:29,680 --> 02:22:33,840
short order after that as they were

3562
02:22:31,359 --> 02:22:37,359
making very good progress

3563
02:22:33,840 --> 02:22:40,319
um prior to having to pull off the site.

3564
02:22:37,359 --> 02:22:42,800
Um so, we will keep you updated on that.

3565
02:22:40,319 --> 02:22:45,359
We will uh once that project is

3566
02:22:42,800 --> 02:22:49,200
complete, we'll be planning a um a

3567
02:22:45,359 --> 02:22:51,600
ribbon cutting and an event uh both for

3568
02:22:49,200 --> 02:22:54,399
um really kind of a try event for the

3569
02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:58,399
bridge, the pathway and also the Hawk

3570
02:22:54,399 --> 02:23:01,200
metal pathway loop. So um we will keep

3571
02:22:58,399 --> 02:23:04,960
you updated on that. Uh work continues

3572
02:23:01,200 --> 02:23:08,399
on the senior and activity center. Um,

3573
02:23:04,960 --> 02:23:11,520
our staff, uh, Aaron and Marcus had a

3574
02:23:08,399 --> 02:23:14,640
had a planning meeting today,

3575
02:23:11,520 --> 02:23:18,640
um, for the ribbon cutting on October

3576
02:23:14,640 --> 02:23:22,399
13th. So, um, that is down down to the

3577
02:23:18,640 --> 02:23:25,920
wire uh, on that project as well. Um,

3578
02:23:22,399 --> 02:23:30,000
and then a uh last thing is just um a

3579
02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:34,720
little fun item. I'd like to call up the

3580
02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:37,760
uh deputy fire chief to uh has a has a

3581
02:23:34,720 --> 02:23:40,240
little presentation and a gift for board

3582
02:23:37,760 --> 02:23:42,640
members.

3583
02:23:40,240 --> 02:23:43,520
» I'll be extremely quick.

3584
02:23:42,640 --> 02:23:45,840
So,

3585
02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:47,439
» Uh on behalf of uh Chief Kaylor and

3586
02:23:45,840 --> 02:23:49,040
myself, take a moment and share some

3587
02:23:47,439 --> 02:23:51,680
exciting update with the fire

3588
02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:53,600
department. We've recently adopted a new

3589
02:23:51,680 --> 02:23:56,160
fire department patch that reflects both

3590
02:23:53,600 --> 02:23:58,240
our commitment to tradition and our

3591
02:23:56,160 --> 02:23:59,840
vision for the future. The new patch is

3592
02:23:58,240 --> 02:24:02,160
intended to modernize our appearance

3593
02:23:59,840 --> 02:24:03,280
while better representing our role as an

3594
02:24:02,160 --> 02:24:05,680
integral part of the township

3595
02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:08,080
organization. Our firefighters serve the

3596
02:24:05,680 --> 02:24:10,479
entire community every day. And this

3597
02:24:08,080 --> 02:24:12,720
updated design more closely aligns with

3598
02:24:10,479 --> 02:24:14,560
our identity, the township that we are

3599
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:17,200
proud to represent. While the look of

3600
02:24:14,560 --> 02:24:19,520
the patch is changing and and the values

3601
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:21,359
behind it are not, the dedication,

3602
02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:23,120
professionalism, and commitment to

3603
02:24:21,359 --> 02:24:24,960
service that our residents have come to

3604
02:24:23,120 --> 02:24:27,439
expect from the Delta Fire Department

3605
02:24:24,960 --> 02:24:29,840
remain exactly the same. This new patch

3606
02:24:27,439 --> 02:24:32,319
simply provides a visual reminder that

3607
02:24:29,840 --> 02:24:33,760
we are one team working together with

3608
02:24:32,319 --> 02:24:35,760
township leadership and other

3609
02:24:33,760 --> 02:24:37,920
departments to serve our community. We

3610
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:40,080
are proud of our history, grateful for

3611
02:24:37,920 --> 02:24:42,080
the support of this board and excited to

3612
02:24:40,080 --> 02:24:44,080
carry this updated symbol forward as we

3613
02:24:42,080 --> 02:24:46,000
continue serving the township. Thank you

3614
02:24:44,080 --> 02:24:47,200
for your continued support of the fire

3615
02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:50,640
department and the men and the women

3616
02:24:47,200 --> 02:24:52,399
that wear this patch. So, um, thank you

3617
02:24:50,640 --> 02:24:54,080
for marrying. We have a button for you.

3618
02:24:52,399 --> 02:24:55,840
It's got a patch on it.

3619
02:24:54,080 --> 02:24:56,479
» Kind of go over the patch with you.

3620
02:24:55,840 --> 02:24:59,600
» Okay.

3621
02:24:56,479 --> 02:25:00,160
» You got to stick it to us

3622
02:24:59,600 --> 02:25:03,120
or not.

3623
02:25:00,160 --> 02:25:06,720
» We've been pinned, too.

3624
02:25:03,120 --> 02:25:07,840
» Yeah. for good study.

3625
02:25:06,720 --> 02:25:09,920
» Love it.

3626
02:25:07,840 --> 02:25:11,840
» All right. Thank you.

3627
02:25:09,920 --> 02:25:12,720
» Thank you.

3628
02:25:11,840 --> 02:25:13,520
» Thanks so much.

3629
02:25:12,720 --> 02:25:16,920
» You're welcome.

3630
02:25:13,520 --> 02:25:16,920
» And you got

3631
02:25:17,359 --> 02:25:20,399
» So, if you look at if you look at the

3632
02:25:18,800 --> 02:25:23,200
patch, you can see on the on the picture

3633
02:25:20,399 --> 02:25:25,120
above. Um the biggest thing you probably

3634
02:25:23,200 --> 02:25:26,960
notice is our our Township logo. So,

3635
02:25:25,120 --> 02:25:28,160
when you look at all of our fleet, you

3636
02:25:26,960 --> 02:25:30,160
know, we were the ones that didn't have

3637
02:25:28,160 --> 02:25:31,920
that on our in our in our picture. So,

3638
02:25:30,160 --> 02:25:34,560
we've added that to our patch and I

3639
02:25:31,920 --> 02:25:37,439
think it it really uh continuity across

3640
02:25:34,560 --> 02:25:39,120
the whole fleet of the township. Um, we

3641
02:25:37,439 --> 02:25:40,880
added uh the rescue part of it on the

3642
02:25:39,120 --> 02:25:42,399
right hand side and and our and our

3643
02:25:40,880 --> 02:25:44,479
firefighters are cross trainining both

3644
02:25:42,399 --> 02:25:46,399
EMS and and the fire department. So,

3645
02:25:44,479 --> 02:25:47,920
when you see an ambulance go by, those

3646
02:25:46,399 --> 02:25:49,280
members are also responding to structure

3647
02:25:47,920 --> 02:25:51,680
fires and that's where we get the rescue

3648
02:25:49,280 --> 02:25:54,000
part of that from that. And then if you

3649
02:25:51,680 --> 02:25:56,160
look at the gold on the outside and all

3650
02:25:54,000 --> 02:25:59,120
the gold lettering, if if you look back

3651
02:25:56,160 --> 02:26:00,560
at past uh Delta Township fire trucks

3652
02:25:59,120 --> 02:26:02,160
and also just the history of the fire

3653
02:26:00,560 --> 02:26:04,240
department, we use a lot of gold leaf on

3654
02:26:02,160 --> 02:26:06,160
all of our fire trucks. So it's kind of

3655
02:26:04,240 --> 02:26:07,760
a nod to the old fire trucks from Delta

3656
02:26:06,160 --> 02:26:09,840
Township that had a lot of gold leaf on

3657
02:26:07,760 --> 02:26:11,359
them. And then we also strive to be the

3658
02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:12,479
gold standard in the county. So that's

3659
02:26:11,359 --> 02:26:15,600
kind of why we came up with the gold

3660
02:26:12,479 --> 02:26:18,000
color. And then uh the whole idea of

3661
02:26:15,600 --> 02:26:19,200
Delta Fire Department started in 1952

3662
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:20,640
with a whole bunch of big fires going

3663
02:26:19,200 --> 02:26:22,880
on. a bunch of residents came together

3664
02:26:20,640 --> 02:26:24,800
and raised money and uh the first fire

3665
02:26:22,880 --> 02:26:26,160
station actually erected in 1953, but

3666
02:26:24,800 --> 02:26:28,160
the whole idea of this whole department

3667
02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:30,080
started in 1952. So, we kind of wanted

3668
02:26:28,160 --> 02:26:32,720
to give a little nod to the history and

3669
02:26:30,080 --> 02:26:34,080
put the established 1952 on there. So,

3670
02:26:32,720 --> 02:26:35,120
that's that's our whole patch and we

3671
02:26:34,080 --> 02:26:36,479
just wanted to share it with you guys

3672
02:26:35,120 --> 02:26:38,399
and let you guys know. So, you'll see it

3673
02:26:36,479 --> 02:26:40,640
around town. It's on our website

3674
02:26:38,399 --> 02:26:42,160
starting today. Mary put it on there. Um

3675
02:26:40,640 --> 02:26:43,680
it's on most of our trucks already.

3676
02:26:42,160 --> 02:26:44,880
Happened this week. So, but we just

3677
02:26:43,680 --> 02:26:45,680
wanted to come and present and show you

3678
02:26:44,880 --> 02:26:46,000
guys tonight.

3679
02:26:45,680 --> 02:26:47,840
» So,

3680
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:49,520
» Thank you. You're very special.

3681
02:26:47,840 --> 02:26:50,319
» You're welcome. Thank you so much.

3682
02:26:49,520 --> 02:26:50,960
» Good. All right.

3683
02:26:50,319 --> 02:26:52,080
» Oh, beautiful.

3684
02:26:50,960 --> 02:26:54,319
» Oh, you got a question.

3685
02:26:52,080 --> 02:26:56,640
» Well, no, just one question. I was just

3686
02:26:54,319 --> 02:26:59,840
doing some quick math. So, next year's

3687
02:26:56,640 --> 02:27:01,200
the 75th anniversary of our department.

3688
02:26:59,840 --> 02:27:02,560
Got some things planned.

3689
02:27:01,200 --> 02:27:03,120
» We will we will definitely have some

3690
02:27:02,560 --> 02:27:03,680
stuff planned.

3691
02:27:03,120 --> 02:27:05,680
» Wonderful.

3692
02:27:03,680 --> 02:27:09,160
» Absolutely. So,

3693
02:27:05,680 --> 02:27:09,160
» Thank you so much.

3694
02:27:10,399 --> 02:27:15,280
» Is there anything else on your list?

3695
02:27:12,319 --> 02:27:16,720
» Uh, I don't happy to take any questions

3696
02:27:15,280 --> 02:27:18,560
board members.

3697
02:27:16,720 --> 02:27:20,560
» Question. Do you have to cut out?

3698
02:27:18,560 --> 02:27:22,880
» Yeah, thank you.

3699
02:27:20,560 --> 02:27:23,520
» Sorry you guys

3700
02:27:22,880 --> 02:27:24,640
passes.

3701
02:27:23,520 --> 02:27:28,160
» Thanks.

3702
02:27:24,640 --> 02:27:31,520
» Okay, we are now to uh any board member

3703
02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:34,240
have any committee report updates?

3704
02:27:31,520 --> 02:27:36,240
» Committee report updates. Okay, we are

3705
02:27:34,240 --> 02:27:37,920
now down to committee of the whole and

3706
02:27:36,240 --> 02:27:41,520
there are three items. We'll start with

3707
02:27:37,920 --> 02:27:44,520
item number 14, policy update on data

3708
02:27:41,520 --> 02:27:44,520
centers

3709
02:27:45,840 --> 02:27:50,080
» And these are just for discussion.

3710
02:27:47,520 --> 02:27:52,000
There's no action on any of the items

3711
02:27:50,080 --> 02:27:54,399
under this category.

3712
02:27:52,000 --> 02:27:56,960
» So, thank you for um taking the time

3713
02:27:54,399 --> 02:27:58,399
this evening. So, the township's already

3714
02:27:56,960 --> 02:28:00,160
taken some steps on data centers. I

3715
02:27:58,399 --> 02:28:02,479
think we took the first big probably

3716
02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:05,280
most important step and we identified

3717
02:28:02,479 --> 02:28:07,600
the use. We said where it could be. it's

3718
02:28:05,280 --> 02:28:09,120
only in industrial zoning and we added a

3719
02:28:07,600 --> 02:28:10,720
requirement for a special land use

3720
02:28:09,120 --> 02:28:13,359
permit. So I think that was a really

3721
02:28:10,720 --> 02:28:16,080
good initial use clarified the zoning to

3722
02:28:13,359 --> 02:28:17,840
make it very clear how uh proposals if

3723
02:28:16,080 --> 02:28:19,600
if we were to receive one how they would

3724
02:28:17,840 --> 02:28:21,439
be treated.

3725
02:28:19,600 --> 02:28:22,800
So during that zoning amendment process

3726
02:28:21,439 --> 02:28:24,960
the planning commission requested

3727
02:28:22,800 --> 02:28:26,800
additional action specifically the

3728
02:28:24,960 --> 02:28:30,640
development of specific use standards

3729
02:28:26,800 --> 02:28:32,399
for a data center land use. So specific

3730
02:28:30,640 --> 02:28:34,720
use standards we see them in a lot of

3731
02:28:32,399 --> 02:28:36,880
different land uses. one we just talked

3732
02:28:34,720 --> 02:28:38,240
about. Um, for example, with the school,

3733
02:28:36,880 --> 02:28:39,920
one of the specific land use

3734
02:28:38,240 --> 02:28:42,000
requirements was they be on primary

3735
02:28:39,920 --> 02:28:43,520
roads. Uh, but there's other ones like,

3736
02:28:42,000 --> 02:28:46,800
you know, simple examples like a

3737
02:28:43,520 --> 02:28:49,280
drive-thru um would be like requiring

3738
02:28:46,800 --> 02:28:51,040
that we identify the number of stacking

3739
02:28:49,280 --> 02:28:52,319
spaces or the width of the lane or

3740
02:28:51,040 --> 02:28:54,720
something like that. So, it's they're

3741
02:28:52,319 --> 02:28:57,040
use specific standards or regulations

3742
02:28:54,720 --> 02:28:59,200
for different land uses in the community

3743
02:28:57,040 --> 02:29:00,399
and we've got a lot of them. So, but I'm

3744
02:28:59,200 --> 02:29:02,640
back in front of you tonight to tell you

3745
02:29:00,399 --> 02:29:05,200
a little bit more. Um, since the last

3746
02:29:02,640 --> 02:29:07,920
time we talked, um, the there has been a

3747
02:29:05,200 --> 02:29:10,160
I attended a it was a webinar ultimately

3748
02:29:07,920 --> 02:29:12,479
that the Michigan Township Association

3749
02:29:10,160 --> 02:29:14,479
put on that where they released their

3750
02:29:12,479 --> 02:29:16,800
template ordinance or their draft kind

3751
02:29:14,479 --> 02:29:19,520
of model ordinance for data centers for

3752
02:29:16,800 --> 02:29:22,720
townships in Michigan.

3753
02:29:19,520 --> 02:29:25,680
So, um, and that starts on

3754
02:29:22,720 --> 02:29:28,240
our my memo starts on page 290 and then

3755
02:29:25,680 --> 02:29:30,800
the entirety of that sample data center

3756
02:29:28,240 --> 02:29:32,080
ordinance starts on page 293. We don't

3757
02:29:30,800 --> 02:29:33,680
need to get into all of that. I know

3758
02:29:32,080 --> 02:29:35,920
what time it is and you've had a lot of

3759
02:29:33,680 --> 02:29:38,319
items on the agenda this evening.

3760
02:29:35,920 --> 02:29:42,000
» Um but I do want to just follow up and

3761
02:29:38,319 --> 02:29:45,920
say um that the regula so

3762
02:29:42,000 --> 02:29:47,120
excuse me um the our meeting our memo

3763
02:29:45,920 --> 02:29:48,640
and the meeting packet provides just

3764
02:29:47,120 --> 02:29:50,160
kind of an overview of the regulations

3765
02:29:48,640 --> 02:29:51,520
contained therein. I I won't go through

3766
02:29:50,160 --> 02:29:52,880
all those tonight but there is a lot of

3767
02:29:51,520 --> 02:29:54,880
information in there. If you haven't had

3768
02:29:52,880 --> 02:29:57,359
a chance to read our staff memo, what we

3769
02:29:54,880 --> 02:29:58,560
tried to do was um identify all the

3770
02:29:57,359 --> 02:30:00,160
different standards that are in this

3771
02:29:58,560 --> 02:30:02,720
ordinance and then talk a little bit

3772
02:30:00,160 --> 02:30:04,399
about how our current zoning applies or

3773
02:30:02,720 --> 02:30:05,840
doesn't apply or maybe we don't have

3774
02:30:04,399 --> 02:30:09,760
anything on that topic. And in some

3775
02:30:05,840 --> 02:30:11,760
cases, kind of based on the history, the

3776
02:30:09,760 --> 02:30:15,280
culture of the township as an industrial

3777
02:30:11,760 --> 02:30:17,200
area, there is not a lot of um standards

3778
02:30:15,280 --> 02:30:21,359
in that area. They're they're fairly

3779
02:30:17,200 --> 02:30:22,800
basic, I'll say. Um and that's not to um

3780
02:30:21,359 --> 02:30:24,720
share an opinion on that at all. It's

3781
02:30:22,800 --> 02:30:27,439
just that's how how our the area has

3782
02:30:24,720 --> 02:30:29,200
developed.

3783
02:30:27,439 --> 02:30:31,439
So um as to date, the planning

3784
02:30:29,200 --> 02:30:34,560
commission has not um initiated a zoning

3785
02:30:31,439 --> 02:30:36,399
amendment on data centers, but they they

3786
02:30:34,560 --> 02:30:38,479
did make kind of the general request on

3787
02:30:36,399 --> 02:30:40,960
the specific use standards. What I don't

3788
02:30:38,479 --> 02:30:42,560
want to do is ever find um and go back

3789
02:30:40,960 --> 02:30:44,479
and work on something and then come back

3790
02:30:42,560 --> 02:30:47,280
to the board and find that it is at odds

3791
02:30:44,479 --> 02:30:49,359
with the policy preferred policy um

3792
02:30:47,280 --> 02:30:52,160
intent of the board. So what I'm trying

3793
02:30:49,359 --> 02:30:53,680
to do is kind of marry all that and um

3794
02:30:52,160 --> 02:30:56,800
provide an update one that this

3795
02:30:53,680 --> 02:30:58,319
ordinance is now available from the MTA

3796
02:30:56,800 --> 02:30:59,600
um but also ultimately kind of looking

3797
02:30:58,319 --> 02:31:01,760
for some feedback on the board on

3798
02:30:59,600 --> 02:31:03,520
potential next steps. So, if you're

3799
02:31:01,760 --> 02:31:07,120
interested in staff developing ordinance

3800
02:31:03,520 --> 02:31:09,920
language based on that MTA standard or a

3801
02:31:07,120 --> 02:31:11,600
variation of it, um, we could do that

3802
02:31:09,920 --> 02:31:14,160
and bring that back for future

3803
02:31:11,600 --> 02:31:15,920
discussion. I don't want to go through

3804
02:31:14,160 --> 02:31:17,600
that. Not that I wouldn't, but I don't

3805
02:31:15,920 --> 02:31:19,120
want to go through all of that. It would

3806
02:31:17,600 --> 02:31:20,960
be significant time and then we would

3807
02:31:19,120 --> 02:31:23,680
probably involve our township attorney

3808
02:31:20,960 --> 02:31:25,920
to put together detailed standards on

3809
02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:27,680
data centers and then come back to this

3810
02:31:25,920 --> 02:31:29,600
group and say that that's that's way off

3811
02:31:27,680 --> 02:31:32,319
base or we we didn't ask you to do that.

3812
02:31:29,600 --> 02:31:34,399
why are you here kind of thing. So that

3813
02:31:32,319 --> 02:31:37,359
that's really what I'm here um to talk

3814
02:31:34,399 --> 02:31:39,120
about tonight uh briefly. So, if you're

3815
02:31:37,359 --> 02:31:41,760
interested in those developing specific

3816
02:31:39,120 --> 02:31:43,840
use standards for data centers, um I

3817
02:31:41,760 --> 02:31:46,160
found a lot of things in the MTA sample

3818
02:31:43,840 --> 02:31:48,880
ordinance that I found that that would

3819
02:31:46,160 --> 02:31:50,479
be applicable. Um to I I found it to be

3820
02:31:48,880 --> 02:31:51,920
a very comprehensive look and the

3821
02:31:50,479 --> 02:31:53,439
explanations that we received from the

3822
02:31:51,920 --> 02:31:55,760
MTA seemed like they had put a lot of

3823
02:31:53,439 --> 02:31:57,600
time and energy into vetting what they

3824
02:31:55,760 --> 02:31:59,280
what they did and it took months in

3825
02:31:57,600 --> 02:32:00,640
development and they had an attorney on

3826
02:31:59,280 --> 02:32:02,160
the call that really kind of went

3827
02:32:00,640 --> 02:32:04,800
through item by item and explained each

3828
02:32:02,160 --> 02:32:07,120
one. So if we were to pursue something

3829
02:32:04,800 --> 02:32:08,960
like that, I would definitely my first

3830
02:32:07,120 --> 02:32:11,200
action would be to at least follow the

3831
02:32:08,960 --> 02:32:12,720
template that the MTA has provided

3832
02:32:11,200 --> 02:32:14,640
because frankly I wasn't sure where to

3833
02:32:12,720 --> 02:32:17,439
start. Um otherwise I think it's a good

3834
02:32:14,640 --> 02:32:19,760
starting point. Um obviously there's you

3835
02:32:17,439 --> 02:32:21,840
know a lot there could be conflicting

3836
02:32:19,760 --> 02:32:24,399
provisions in other areas for far as

3837
02:32:21,840 --> 02:32:26,319
specifically our industrial area.

3838
02:32:24,399 --> 02:32:28,720
If we were to adopt, let's just say we

3839
02:32:26,319 --> 02:32:30,560
took that MTA ordinance and uh

3840
02:32:28,720 --> 02:32:32,800
customized it for Delta Township, it

3841
02:32:30,560 --> 02:32:35,200
would represent um a policy C change for

3842
02:32:32,800 --> 02:32:36,960
industrial users. Right now, we have not

3843
02:32:35,200 --> 02:32:40,479
applied things like and you can almost

3844
02:32:36,960 --> 02:32:44,479
pick um from some of these list here,

3845
02:32:40,479 --> 02:32:46,160
but for example, um

3846
02:32:44,479 --> 02:32:49,280
the setbacks would be significantly

3847
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:51,920
larger. Um the screening requirements

3848
02:32:49,280 --> 02:32:53,680
would be larger. We do not currently

3849
02:32:51,920 --> 02:32:55,520
really have and the ordinance actually

3850
02:32:53,680 --> 02:32:58,319
specifically exempts industrial

3851
02:32:55,520 --> 02:33:00,399
manufacturing assembly and similar uses

3852
02:32:58,319 --> 02:33:02,319
in industrial zoning as it relates to

3853
02:33:00,399 --> 02:33:05,760
sound. So we have general like

3854
02:33:02,319 --> 02:33:07,600
construction noise sound regulation but

3855
02:33:05,760 --> 02:33:09,680
nothing that speaks specific to the

3856
02:33:07,600 --> 02:33:11,200
sound being generated by industrial

3857
02:33:09,680 --> 02:33:13,120
processes.

3858
02:33:11,200 --> 02:33:15,840
Same with lighting. Right now industrial

3859
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:17,439
is exempt from lighting. Vibrations

3860
02:33:15,840 --> 02:33:19,359
there is nothing in our ordinance about

3861
02:33:17,439 --> 02:33:20,720
vibrations.

3862
02:33:19,359 --> 02:33:22,399
water use sustain. I mean, some of this

3863
02:33:20,720 --> 02:33:24,080
stuff is not necessarily zoning. It

3864
02:33:22,399 --> 02:33:25,760
would be pro possibly like a sister

3865
02:33:24,080 --> 02:33:27,359
ordinance in the code of ordinances that

3866
02:33:25,760 --> 02:33:30,000
may address some of these other things.

3867
02:33:27,359 --> 02:33:31,520
Um, generator testing.

3868
02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:34,640
I won't go through the whole list. I'm

3869
02:33:31,520 --> 02:33:36,160
just want to I guess really um make the

3870
02:33:34,640 --> 02:33:38,800
point that it would be a lot different

3871
02:33:36,160 --> 02:33:41,120
from kind of our current approach to the

3872
02:33:38,800 --> 02:33:43,600
industrial zoning district.

3873
02:33:41,120 --> 02:33:45,040
Um, so that's if if you're interested in

3874
02:33:43,600 --> 02:33:46,399
us proceeding proceeding with the draft

3875
02:33:45,040 --> 02:33:48,160
ordinance, we can work with legal

3876
02:33:46,399 --> 02:33:49,760
counsel to develop a draft ordinance

3877
02:33:48,160 --> 02:33:52,479
based on this MTA model for

3878
02:33:49,760 --> 02:33:55,120
consideration at a future meeting.

3879
02:33:52,479 --> 02:33:56,960
» So I think uh we have treasure feda and

3880
02:33:55,120 --> 02:33:58,800
then trusty cast.

3881
02:33:56,960 --> 02:34:00,960
» Thanks Peter. you uh touched upon some

3882
02:33:58,800 --> 02:34:04,160
of the things I was going to ask about.

3883
02:34:00,960 --> 02:34:05,840
Um some of these auxiliary additions

3884
02:34:04,160 --> 02:34:07,120
that are part of the township

3885
02:34:05,840 --> 02:34:10,560
association like the lighting for

3886
02:34:07,120 --> 02:34:15,040
example, you know, and the uh sound uh

3887
02:34:10,560 --> 02:34:17,600
stood out for me and I am my hearing you

3888
02:34:15,040 --> 02:34:19,600
say that

3889
02:34:17,600 --> 02:34:22,479
if the board says go ahead with this

3890
02:34:19,600 --> 02:34:25,760
that some of these elements would apply

3891
02:34:22,479 --> 02:34:26,880
across the entire industrial area. Yes.

3892
02:34:25,760 --> 02:34:29,120
to know or maybe

3893
02:34:26,880 --> 02:34:30,640
» Maybe as of now the the the only request

3894
02:34:29,120 --> 02:34:32,000
I've really received from the planning

3895
02:34:30,640 --> 02:34:33,760
commission is we want to see specific

3896
02:34:32,000 --> 02:34:35,840
use standards specific use standards are

3897
02:34:33,760 --> 02:34:38,000
only for specific uses so we could write

3898
02:34:35,840 --> 02:34:39,439
it so that they only apply to data

3899
02:34:38,000 --> 02:34:40,800
centers I would want to check with our

3900
02:34:39,439 --> 02:34:42,640
attorney to make sure that's a sound

3901
02:34:40,800 --> 02:34:44,880
appro sound approach

3902
02:34:42,640 --> 02:34:49,200
» On how how we apply standards whether

3903
02:34:44,880 --> 02:34:50,960
it's one user only or everybody um and I

3904
02:34:49,200 --> 02:34:53,040
I would need some guidance on that from

3905
02:34:50,960 --> 02:34:55,600
legal counsel

3906
02:34:53,040 --> 02:34:57,280
just My

3907
02:34:55,600 --> 02:34:59,760
initial reaction is that some of these

3908
02:34:57,280 --> 02:35:01,200
standards I think may be beneficial to

3909
02:34:59,760 --> 02:35:02,800
be in place throughout the entire

3910
02:35:01,200 --> 02:35:04,800
industrial

3911
02:35:02,800 --> 02:35:06,240
area may maybe through zoning you know

3912
02:35:04,800 --> 02:35:09,520
maybe through you know the permitting or

3913
02:35:06,240 --> 02:35:14,960
whatever but um and it also probably

3914
02:35:09,520 --> 02:35:17,120
depends on uh you specific too and um

3915
02:35:14,960 --> 02:35:20,720
it's it's quite an undertaking I think

3916
02:35:17,120 --> 02:35:22,319
you know to do this um so much easier to

3917
02:35:20,720 --> 02:35:23,920
say okay let's just apply this to data

3918
02:35:22,319 --> 02:35:25,920
centers but you I mean some of the

3919
02:35:23,920 --> 02:35:28,080
things I think may be very beneficial

3920
02:35:25,920 --> 02:35:31,600
then across the entire you know

3921
02:35:28,080 --> 02:35:33,840
industrial area. So I would like to look

3922
02:35:31,600 --> 02:35:36,160
at that. I would like staff to look at

3923
02:35:33,840 --> 02:35:39,520
that. Um

3924
02:35:36,160 --> 02:35:42,800
but the caveat is is that you know the

3925
02:35:39,520 --> 02:35:44,880
specific use of the setback for example

3926
02:35:42,800 --> 02:35:46,080
you know is

3927
02:35:44,880 --> 02:35:47,840
you know I I don't know what the

3928
02:35:46,080 --> 02:35:50,319
rationale was for the the MTA to do a

3929
02:35:47,840 --> 02:35:53,840
setback of that specific you know um

3930
02:35:50,319 --> 02:35:57,120
dimension. Um

3931
02:35:53,840 --> 02:36:00,319
uh but you know is that in conflict or

3932
02:35:57,120 --> 02:36:02,560
in contradiction to uh what setbacks are

3933
02:36:00,319 --> 02:36:07,200
for their industrial area? Do we really

3934
02:36:02,560 --> 02:36:09,760
want to adopt that and if so why? Uh so

3935
02:36:07,200 --> 02:36:12,479
I think there's a lot of questions

3936
02:36:09,760 --> 02:36:13,760
regarding that but I think we need to I

3937
02:36:12,479 --> 02:36:15,439
personally think we need to move forward

3938
02:36:13,760 --> 02:36:16,960
on it but I would like to see some of

3939
02:36:15,439 --> 02:36:19,200
these things like the uh the lighting

3940
02:36:16,960 --> 02:36:21,920
for example to be seriously considered

3941
02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:23,280
you know industrial wide as well. Uh

3942
02:36:21,920 --> 02:36:24,800
it's just there just a lot of light

3943
02:36:23,280 --> 02:36:26,720
pollution. You know I look out the

3944
02:36:24,800 --> 02:36:28,880
southwest of my house and it's all I

3945
02:36:26,720 --> 02:36:31,439
just see looks like daylight out there.

3946
02:36:28,880 --> 02:36:36,160
You know because the GM plant and the LG

3947
02:36:31,439 --> 02:36:39,359
plant. It's Yeah. So um I think there

3948
02:36:36,160 --> 02:36:41,439
are some elements that would probably

3949
02:36:39,359 --> 02:36:44,000
you know we should consider for the

3950
02:36:41,439 --> 02:36:46,080
entire industrial area but we have to be

3951
02:36:44,000 --> 02:36:49,280
cautious in how we do that because no

3952
02:36:46,080 --> 02:36:51,520
two are alike in our specific use. So

3953
02:36:49,280 --> 02:36:55,840
those are the comments I wanted to make.

3954
02:36:51,520 --> 02:36:57,840
» Thank you Trusty Cascarell. Yeah, in my

3955
02:36:55,840 --> 02:37:00,160
I guess questions, comments along

3956
02:36:57,840 --> 02:37:02,640
similar lines, but um was just

3957
02:37:00,160 --> 02:37:04,560
interested. I I think this is incredibly

3958
02:37:02,640 --> 02:37:10,080
helpful to think about all these

3959
02:37:04,560 --> 02:37:12,080
different factors um that we may that

3960
02:37:10,080 --> 02:37:15,120
probably should be addressed in our

3961
02:37:12,080 --> 02:37:18,880
ordinance. So, appreciate that kind of

3962
02:37:15,120 --> 02:37:21,520
the review of the MTA proposal.

3963
02:37:18,880 --> 02:37:24,080
Wondering and just appreciate kind of

3964
02:37:21,520 --> 02:37:26,800
your opinion

3965
02:37:24,080 --> 02:37:29,680
on these we've already taken the action

3966
02:37:26,800 --> 02:37:34,720
to limit into industrial

3967
02:37:29,680 --> 02:37:38,960
into an ind our industrial district. Um

3968
02:37:34,720 --> 02:37:42,800
do in your mind are there some of these

3969
02:37:38,960 --> 02:37:45,040
issues that make more or less sense?

3970
02:37:42,800 --> 02:37:47,760
Um,

3971
02:37:45,040 --> 02:37:50,319
you know, maybe because of zoning we

3972
02:37:47,760 --> 02:37:52,720
already have there, you know, maybe our

3973
02:37:50,319 --> 02:37:56,240
or maybe not more or less sense, but

3974
02:37:52,720 --> 02:37:59,920
maybe um some more of a greater priority

3975
02:37:56,240 --> 02:38:02,399
over others. Um, and I'm assuming that

3976
02:37:59,920 --> 02:38:04,960
might be part of your evaluation, but it

3977
02:38:02,399 --> 02:38:08,479
just seems we may need to be thinking

3978
02:38:04,960 --> 02:38:12,800
about that even if it is specific to a

3979
02:38:08,479 --> 02:38:15,680
data center use. Um

3980
02:38:12,800 --> 02:38:17,520
I I don't know if MTA approached this

3981
02:38:15,680 --> 02:38:20,479
thinking this could be anywhere in a

3982
02:38:17,520 --> 02:38:22,960
community and

3983
02:38:20,479 --> 02:38:25,840
you know recommendations may have been

3984
02:38:22,960 --> 02:38:29,920
based on that you know it's anywhere and

3985
02:38:25,840 --> 02:38:33,120
this is uh a safeguard when we've

3986
02:38:29,920 --> 02:38:35,200
already safeguarded to a degree by um

3987
02:38:33,120 --> 02:38:39,040
our restriction to ind industrial

3988
02:38:35,200 --> 02:38:41,760
zoning. The other question I had is with

3989
02:38:39,040 --> 02:38:44,479
kind of some of these provisions, can

3990
02:38:41,760 --> 02:38:46,560
you do you know or can you give any kind

3991
02:38:44,479 --> 02:38:49,040
of sense of

3992
02:38:46,560 --> 02:38:52,160
um within our

3993
02:38:49,040 --> 02:38:56,000
industrial zone property kind of the

3994
02:38:52,160 --> 02:39:00,319
size like what space capacity we have

3995
02:38:56,000 --> 02:39:02,560
what um for a potential data center even

3996
02:39:00,319 --> 02:39:05,120
if one were proposed. I realize we don't

3997
02:39:02,560 --> 02:39:07,040
have one before us but we do have

3998
02:39:05,120 --> 02:39:08,640
restrictions. there's, you know, we're

3999
02:39:07,040 --> 02:39:10,479
seeing a lot of development in our

4000
02:39:08,640 --> 02:39:13,280
industrial park, which is great. So,

4001
02:39:10,479 --> 02:39:15,359
that land is um kind of being gobbled up

4002
02:39:13,280 --> 02:39:18,640
for other purposes, but just trying to

4003
02:39:15,359 --> 02:39:22,640
understand kind of what capacity we even

4004
02:39:18,640 --> 02:39:24,000
have and um just with what's available

4005
02:39:22,640 --> 02:39:25,840
land, vacant land wise.

4006
02:39:24,000 --> 02:39:27,200
» Yeah. And I can bring a map and have a

4007
02:39:25,840 --> 02:39:29,200
have more information on this at a

4008
02:39:27,200 --> 02:39:31,120
future meeting, but in general, and I

4009
02:39:29,200 --> 02:39:32,399
you know, this is a hot topic and a

4010
02:39:31,120 --> 02:39:34,960
controversial topic, so I have to be

4011
02:39:32,399 --> 02:39:37,359
really careful. Um generally I mean

4012
02:39:34,960 --> 02:39:40,479
barring some accumulation of land or

4013
02:39:37,359 --> 02:39:42,000
some um assembly of parcels we don't

4014
02:39:40,479 --> 02:39:44,160
have the room certainly right now at

4015
02:39:42,000 --> 02:39:47,439
least if I can tell for like a hypers

4016
02:39:44,160 --> 02:39:49,040
scale center I'm less concerned about

4017
02:39:47,439 --> 02:39:50,640
that because those are millions of

4018
02:39:49,040 --> 02:39:52,319
square feet and there would just based

4019
02:39:50,640 --> 02:39:53,840
on the available land that we have now

4020
02:39:52,319 --> 02:39:55,600
the sites that have already been

4021
02:39:53,840 --> 02:39:56,880
developed were the easy ones the ones

4022
02:39:55,600 --> 02:40:00,319
that are left are inundated with

4023
02:39:56,880 --> 02:40:02,319
wetlands they may be adjacent to a creek

4024
02:40:00,319 --> 02:40:06,399
um they could have other reasons that

4025
02:40:02,319 --> 02:40:08,319
they're not developed yet. Um, so we

4026
02:40:06,399 --> 02:40:11,200
don't have necessarily a lot of sites

4027
02:40:08,319 --> 02:40:13,120
that could house a a data center of

4028
02:40:11,200 --> 02:40:15,359
significant size. As we talked about a

4029
02:40:13,120 --> 02:40:17,840
couple months ago, we already have two

4030
02:40:15,359 --> 02:40:19,840
in the township that are around 100,000

4031
02:40:17,840 --> 02:40:22,560
square ft. So that they're out there

4032
02:40:19,840 --> 02:40:25,520
now. Um

4033
02:40:22,560 --> 02:40:27,680
is that that's yeah that's about I mean

4034
02:40:25,520 --> 02:40:30,640
we have some spaces but barring some

4035
02:40:27,680 --> 02:40:33,200
assembly significant assembly of land I

4036
02:40:30,640 --> 02:40:35,280
don't know that we'll see an application

4037
02:40:33,200 --> 02:40:37,120
easy um because what I have learned

4038
02:40:35,280 --> 02:40:38,560
again and I what I'm one person that's

4039
02:40:37,120 --> 02:40:40,319
kind of trying to doing my best to

4040
02:40:38,560 --> 02:40:43,359
follow a very complicated issue both

4041
02:40:40,319 --> 02:40:45,680
locally and nationally is I mean the

4042
02:40:43,359 --> 02:40:48,000
usually the companies come for the easy

4043
02:40:45,680 --> 02:40:50,240
places to develop the places they might

4044
02:40:48,000 --> 02:40:51,680
not have we saw them locally that might

4045
02:40:50,240 --> 02:40:53,520
not have a zoning ordinance. They might

4046
02:40:51,680 --> 02:40:56,080
not have a planning commission. They

4047
02:40:53,520 --> 02:40:58,080
might not have kind of the ability to

4048
02:40:56,080 --> 02:40:59,840
further regulate these or have a like

4049
02:40:58,080 --> 02:41:03,760
the infrastructure in place both

4050
02:40:59,840 --> 02:41:06,720
physical and political infrastructure to

4051
02:41:03,760 --> 02:41:08,160
um have you know host a project. So from

4052
02:41:06,720 --> 02:41:10,240
that perspective I think we are in very

4053
02:41:08,160 --> 02:41:11,760
good shape. Um and we do have an

4054
02:41:10,240 --> 02:41:14,640
industrial area. We have somewhere for

4055
02:41:11,760 --> 02:41:15,760
for these places to go. Um, back to your

4056
02:41:14,640 --> 02:41:17,120
original initial question, I mean, we

4057
02:41:15,760 --> 02:41:19,359
would have to really custom I don't

4058
02:41:17,120 --> 02:41:21,840
think all of these would apply for um, a

4059
02:41:19,359 --> 02:41:23,280
data center user in Delta Township. I

4060
02:41:21,840 --> 02:41:24,800
think that there we could pick and

4061
02:41:23,280 --> 02:41:27,200
choose the ones that would would work

4062
02:41:24,800 --> 02:41:30,080
best whether we it's applied at a and

4063
02:41:27,200 --> 02:41:31,600
definitely diverging paths of applicable

4064
02:41:30,080 --> 02:41:33,120
to all properties in industrial

4065
02:41:31,600 --> 02:41:34,960
applicable to data centers specifically

4066
02:41:33,120 --> 02:41:37,439
and we can have that conversation and

4067
02:41:34,960 --> 02:41:38,319
even kind of narrow this list down in

4068
02:41:37,439 --> 02:41:39,520
the future.

4069
02:41:38,319 --> 02:41:42,479
» Okay. Thank you.

4070
02:41:39,520 --> 02:41:47,120
» Thanks. I think that is I think what I'm

4071
02:41:42,479 --> 02:41:49,120
hearing here is um perhaps new coming

4072
02:41:47,120 --> 02:41:51,040
back to the board with these are the

4073
02:41:49,120 --> 02:41:53,439
ones that we're thinking maybe for

4074
02:41:51,040 --> 02:41:56,000
consideration. Um these are or maybe

4075
02:41:53,439 --> 02:41:58,720
there's just a chart that if you take

4076
02:41:56,000 --> 02:42:00,800
this list these apply to could apply to

4077
02:41:58,720 --> 02:42:03,120
all of our ordinances. This one could

4078
02:42:00,800 --> 02:42:06,080
apply to the data center and that leads

4079
02:42:03,120 --> 02:42:08,960
to a conversation of where we go. I like

4080
02:42:06,080 --> 02:42:12,240
that there is still more coming out on

4081
02:42:08,960 --> 02:42:14,479
how to make these safer and a little bit

4082
02:42:12,240 --> 02:42:17,359
more I don't know if safer is the right

4083
02:42:14,479 --> 02:42:19,600
word but that there's more language and

4084
02:42:17,359 --> 02:42:22,800
tools that are coming into our tool

4085
02:42:19,600 --> 02:42:27,439
chest as these data centers wrap their

4086
02:42:22,800 --> 02:42:29,760
way around the earth. helping

4087
02:42:27,439 --> 02:42:32,880
» And I would like to renew my suggestion

4088
02:42:29,760 --> 02:42:35,280
that we put a moratorum on them to give

4089
02:42:32,880 --> 02:42:38,160
ourselves more breathing room to develop

4090
02:42:35,280 --> 02:42:39,520
these and also to see what the state and

4091
02:42:38,160 --> 02:42:42,000
federal government are going to do in

4092
02:42:39,520 --> 02:42:44,560
the next year with these regulations.

4093
02:42:42,000 --> 02:42:46,240
Not that I seed control to the state or

4094
02:42:44,560 --> 02:42:48,640
the federal. I think it is a local

4095
02:42:46,240 --> 02:42:51,439
issue, but it would be nice to see

4096
02:42:48,640 --> 02:42:53,040
backup from the state and feds and see

4097
02:42:51,439 --> 02:42:56,760
what they're going to do and see how we

4098
02:42:53,040 --> 02:42:56,760
could fit into that.

4099
02:42:59,040 --> 02:43:04,960
» So there there's certainly um options

4100
02:43:02,800 --> 02:43:06,800
and decisions moving forward. I think

4101
02:43:04,960 --> 02:43:10,640
with regard to what you presented with

4102
02:43:06,800 --> 02:43:12,720
us today, um there is interest in from

4103
02:43:10,640 --> 02:43:15,120
what I can tell here in the board

4104
02:43:12,720 --> 02:43:16,800
looking at that list, seeing what you

4105
02:43:15,120 --> 02:43:20,080
might recommend as applicable as the

4106
02:43:16,800 --> 02:43:20,880
next set of changes for us. Am I on the

4107
02:43:20,080 --> 02:43:21,280
right path?

4108
02:43:20,880 --> 02:43:22,720
» Yeah.

4109
02:43:21,280 --> 02:43:23,439
» Board members.

4110
02:43:22,720 --> 02:43:25,680
» Thank you.

4111
02:43:23,439 --> 02:43:27,280
» Thank you.

4112
02:43:25,680 --> 02:43:30,399
» All right. We are now down to item

4113
02:43:27,280 --> 02:43:33,120
number 15 out of 16. We're working our

4114
02:43:30,399 --> 02:43:37,439
way through the list. This is the 2027

4115
02:43:33,120 --> 02:43:38,399
events and sponsorship presentation.

4116
02:43:37,439 --> 02:43:39,600
» Good grief.

4117
02:43:38,399 --> 02:43:41,920
» Good evening everyone.

4118
02:43:39,600 --> 02:43:43,279
» Good evening. Good evening. Welcome.

4119
02:43:41,920 --> 02:43:45,200
» Thank you. Thank you. Hey, thank you for

4120
02:43:43,279 --> 02:43:47,120
an opportunity just to share and reflect

4121
02:43:45,200 --> 02:43:49,200
a little on the events that we've had

4122
02:43:47,120 --> 02:43:52,720
during 2026.

4123
02:43:49,200 --> 02:43:55,840
Um, we were challenged by the board uh

4124
02:43:52,720 --> 02:43:57,920
to do more with less and and and also,

4125
02:43:55,840 --> 02:44:00,800
you know, looking at this strategic plan

4126
02:43:57,920 --> 02:44:03,920
initiative, we accomplished some of the

4127
02:44:00,800 --> 02:44:06,000
the things that were set for us. Uh,

4128
02:44:03,920 --> 02:44:07,920
added an outdoor winter event. You guys

4129
02:44:06,000 --> 02:44:12,240
are very familiar with our two-year

4130
02:44:07,920 --> 02:44:15,680
event going um fit and frosty. Uh we've

4131
02:44:12,240 --> 02:44:19,359
expanded our diverse culture events uh

4132
02:44:15,680 --> 02:44:21,279
the Junth event as well as uh continue

4133
02:44:19,359 --> 02:44:24,080
to build our events utilize the Lanc

4134
02:44:21,279 --> 02:44:25,279
Mall uh in addition to moving the Junth

4135
02:44:24,080 --> 02:44:27,600
event there. I think it's going to stay

4136
02:44:25,279 --> 02:44:29,279
there, but we will also move the

4137
02:44:27,600 --> 02:44:32,240
trick-or- treat event there and also

4138
02:44:29,279 --> 02:44:34,720
some of our uh daddy daughter dances and

4139
02:44:32,240 --> 02:44:36,319
mother son dances uh are also taking

4140
02:44:34,720 --> 02:44:40,080
place at the venue in the Lancing Mall.

4141
02:44:36,319 --> 02:44:41,680
So we've achieved that that as well. Um,

4142
02:44:40,080 --> 02:44:43,439
I think Mary and I are going to tag team

4143
02:44:41,680 --> 02:44:45,760
some of these moving forward, but just

4144
02:44:43,439 --> 02:44:47,520
wanted to recognize on our next slide,

4145
02:44:45,760 --> 02:44:50,479
uh, kind of our leaders when it comes to

4146
02:44:47,520 --> 02:44:53,439
doing events. Uh, both Kathy and Mary,

4147
02:44:50,479 --> 02:44:56,800
uh, plan events and work events pretty

4148
02:44:53,439 --> 02:44:58,880
much year round, uh, because, you know,

4149
02:44:56,800 --> 02:45:00,880
event planning is is is is very

4150
02:44:58,880 --> 02:45:03,120
challenging as you might imagine though.

4151
02:45:00,880 --> 02:45:06,640
But but some of the things that during

4152
02:45:03,120 --> 02:45:10,160
2026 and also preparing for 2027 that

4153
02:45:06,640 --> 02:45:11,760
you see uh their leadership uh uh you

4154
02:45:10,160 --> 02:45:13,760
know has certainly led to these great

4155
02:45:11,760 --> 02:45:15,920
events that we've been able to have and

4156
02:45:13,760 --> 02:45:18,800
even taken on the fundraising piece

4157
02:45:15,920 --> 02:45:20,319
which was a tremendous success. I think

4158
02:45:18,800 --> 02:45:22,000
that may be Mayor do you want to add

4159
02:45:20,319 --> 02:45:25,439
anything on that?

4160
02:45:22,000 --> 02:45:27,760
» Oh with uh fundraising

4161
02:45:25,439 --> 02:45:31,520
uh yeah we we had a really great

4162
02:45:27,760 --> 02:45:32,640
fundraising year. We set a goal of about

4163
02:45:31,520 --> 02:45:35,640
um

4164
02:45:32,640 --> 02:45:35,640
» $25,000

4165
02:45:36,000 --> 02:45:42,800
last year and we raised 50. So, we kind

4166
02:45:39,200 --> 02:45:45,279
of blew our uh goal out of the water. Um

4167
02:45:42,800 --> 02:45:48,479
it was a really great start to our new

4168
02:45:45,279 --> 02:45:50,800
uh sponsorship program that really made

4169
02:45:48,479 --> 02:45:53,359
it a one-stop shop for everybody that

4170
02:45:50,800 --> 02:45:57,279
was interested in doing sponsorship. Um,

4171
02:45:53,359 --> 02:45:59,200
we started back in the fall of last year

4172
02:45:57,279 --> 02:46:01,520
to solicit those sponsorships to get

4173
02:45:59,200 --> 02:46:03,439
those kind of squared away and start a

4174
02:46:01,520 --> 02:46:05,200
fresh in January and have that

4175
02:46:03,439 --> 02:46:09,200
sponsorship last all year long, which is

4176
02:46:05,200 --> 02:46:11,840
still going. Uh, uh, um, we've got our

4177
02:46:09,200 --> 02:46:13,200
October events coming up and then uh,

4178
02:46:11,840 --> 02:46:14,720
we'll carry on through the end of the

4179
02:46:13,200 --> 02:46:17,520
year, but we have already started

4180
02:46:14,720 --> 02:46:20,479
planning for 2027 with our sponsorship

4181
02:46:17,520 --> 02:46:25,359
solicit solicitations. Those have gone

4182
02:46:20,479 --> 02:46:26,560
out this week. So we are moving forward

4183
02:46:25,359 --> 02:46:28,640
with that.

4184
02:46:26,560 --> 02:46:30,399
» Yeah. And and I think c certainly a

4185
02:46:28,640 --> 02:46:32,800
tremendous campaign. Anytime you double

4186
02:46:30,399 --> 02:46:35,840
your goal is always always a good thing.

4187
02:46:32,800 --> 02:46:38,240
But what we saw and heard from the the

4188
02:46:35,840 --> 02:46:41,439
sponsors, the added value of attending

4189
02:46:38,240 --> 02:46:43,840
our events um and and getting their

4190
02:46:41,439 --> 02:46:46,160
names out to not not only our residents

4191
02:46:43,840 --> 02:46:48,880
but you know Delta Township and

4192
02:46:46,160 --> 02:46:51,760
surrounding areas. uh we had some

4193
02:46:48,880 --> 02:46:54,000
sponsors coming to us recognizing they

4194
02:46:51,760 --> 02:46:55,520
could get more they could be more

4195
02:46:54,000 --> 02:46:58,000
visible and increasing their

4196
02:46:55,520 --> 02:47:00,319
sponsorships and so on and certainly a

4197
02:46:58,000 --> 02:47:02,800
tribute to Mary Mary's leadership and

4198
02:47:00,319 --> 02:47:04,960
Kathy for for working and selling those

4199
02:47:02,800 --> 02:47:08,000
events and and I apologize I'm all over

4200
02:47:04,960 --> 02:47:10,240
the place with these slides but um h

4201
02:47:08,000 --> 02:47:12,800
having flipped around just just you know

4202
02:47:10,240 --> 02:47:15,279
looking back at at what it what it takes

4203
02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:16,640
to make our events great Mary slide you

4204
02:47:15,279 --> 02:47:18,240
know the money that we've raised you

4205
02:47:16,640 --> 02:47:21,120
know you can get a sense of just really

4206
02:47:18,240 --> 02:47:24,080
what it cost us and and you know in

4207
02:47:21,120 --> 02:47:27,520
terms of hard costs and and and so on.

4208
02:47:24,080 --> 02:47:30,399
Uh the small events obviously 500 to

4209
02:47:27,520 --> 02:47:32,399
about 1,500 uh staff a couple staff

4210
02:47:30,399 --> 02:47:34,720
folks and we don't necessarily have to

4211
02:47:32,399 --> 02:47:36,640
rely on on public safety personnel for

4212
02:47:34,720 --> 02:47:39,279
those certainly keeping our cost down

4213
02:47:36,640 --> 02:47:41,359
and then the medium events where a

4214
02:47:39,279 --> 02:47:43,680
little more expensive uh some public

4215
02:47:41,359 --> 02:47:46,720
safety as well as having to recruit some

4216
02:47:43,680 --> 02:47:49,520
volunteers and staff. Um we have

4217
02:47:46,720 --> 02:47:51,920
redirected some of our our staff to do

4218
02:47:49,520 --> 02:47:55,120
these events uh you know as a way of of

4219
02:47:51,920 --> 02:47:57,279
of of cost cutting and even some of our

4220
02:47:55,120 --> 02:48:01,720
you know full-time staff are working

4221
02:47:57,279 --> 02:48:01,720
working these things into their plans.

4222
02:48:03,120 --> 02:48:09,439
» As you can see we serve uh 30,000 people

4223
02:48:06,800 --> 02:48:11,279
on average a year with just our events

4224
02:48:09,439 --> 02:48:12,720
events alone. that doesn't take into

4225
02:48:11,279 --> 02:48:14,560
consideration all of the people that are

4226
02:48:12,720 --> 02:48:16,800
visiting visiting our parks and getting

4227
02:48:14,560 --> 02:48:20,240
that added value for our sponsors when

4228
02:48:16,800 --> 02:48:23,840
the sponsorship signs are in both Delta

4229
02:48:20,240 --> 02:48:26,080
um Sharp Park and um Mount Hope Park uh

4230
02:48:23,840 --> 02:48:28,080
year round. So, anybody who visits those

4231
02:48:26,080 --> 02:48:30,240
parks, uses the concession stands,

4232
02:48:28,080 --> 02:48:32,160
visits the bathrooms to walks the east

4233
02:48:30,240 --> 02:48:34,399
west pathway, they're seeing those signs

4234
02:48:32,160 --> 02:48:39,520
and that's a really big added value for

4235
02:48:34,399 --> 02:48:41,680
our um sponsors. And then we do a lot

4236
02:48:39,520 --> 02:48:44,399
with very little staff. So on average,

4237
02:48:41,680 --> 02:48:46,160
we sat down and kind of figured out most

4238
02:48:44,399 --> 02:48:48,319
of our events are facilitated with just

4239
02:48:46,160 --> 02:48:50,319
four staff members, which is pretty

4240
02:48:48,319 --> 02:48:51,840
significant considering the number of

4241
02:48:50,319 --> 02:48:55,279
people that we're serving on a regular

4242
02:48:51,840 --> 02:48:57,040
basis. That's awesome.

4243
02:48:55,279 --> 02:48:59,600
» So, as we transition to some of the

4244
02:48:57,040 --> 02:49:02,080
events that we've had um and and look

4245
02:48:59,600 --> 02:49:04,240
ahead to 2027, it sounds like we're

4246
02:49:02,080 --> 02:49:06,000
going to be planning the 75th

4247
02:49:04,240 --> 02:49:09,439
anniversary for the fire department. I

4248
02:49:06,000 --> 02:49:13,279
don't on the list, but uh I'm sure I'll

4249
02:49:09,439 --> 02:49:15,200
be getting that call tomorrow. Um but uh

4250
02:49:13,279 --> 02:49:17,120
you know, just

4251
02:49:15,200 --> 02:49:19,680
taking a look at the planned events and

4252
02:49:17,120 --> 02:49:20,960
and the majority of our events are free.

4253
02:49:19,680 --> 02:49:23,920
You know, it's very important that we

4254
02:49:20,960 --> 02:49:27,120
work to to keep low to no cost,

4255
02:49:23,920 --> 02:49:28,960
including the tremendous Lionus Club

4256
02:49:27,120 --> 02:49:30,800
group that runs the concessions at these

4257
02:49:28,960 --> 02:49:32,960
places. and their prices are just so

4258
02:49:30,800 --> 02:49:35,520
amazing and so affordable for our

4259
02:49:32,960 --> 02:49:37,520
families to come out and and and not

4260
02:49:35,520 --> 02:49:40,880
only enjoy the event, but even enjoy

4261
02:49:37,520 --> 02:49:44,399
some food. Uh but the list of of planned

4262
02:49:40,880 --> 02:49:46,160
events, a lot we've done this year. Um

4263
02:49:44,399 --> 02:49:48,720
you can see where a couple are in the

4264
02:49:46,160 --> 02:49:51,600
mall. Uh we're moving a trick or treat

4265
02:49:48,720 --> 02:49:53,359
trick-or-treating in the mall to free.

4266
02:49:51,600 --> 02:49:56,160
You know, it used to cost a dollar.

4267
02:49:53,359 --> 02:49:56,880
» You did it finally. That was a pet peeve

4268
02:49:56,160 --> 02:49:58,960
of mine.

4269
02:49:56,880 --> 02:50:00,319
» Yeah. Yeah. Thank Yeah. Thanks to your

4270
02:49:58,960 --> 02:50:02,800
donation,

4271
02:50:00,319 --> 02:50:04,640
» Please don't do that. There are families

4272
02:50:02,800 --> 02:50:04,960
that struggle and a dollar is a lot of

4273
02:50:04,640 --> 02:50:07,439
money.

4274
02:50:04,960 --> 02:50:09,600
» Well, and and as we don't state here,

4275
02:50:07,439 --> 02:50:11,760
but we say we don't turn anyone away. I

4276
02:50:09,600 --> 02:50:13,600
mean, you know, we we we've even gone in

4277
02:50:11,760 --> 02:50:16,080
our pockets a time or two and pull a

4278
02:50:13,600 --> 02:50:18,080
dollar out and folks know that. So, so

4279
02:50:16,080 --> 02:50:19,279
it's worked out well on this one.

4280
02:50:18,080 --> 02:50:21,200
» Yeah. But certainly from a PR

4281
02:50:19,279 --> 02:50:24,160
standpoint, um you know, everyone

4282
02:50:21,200 --> 02:50:26,800
certainly knows. Um so, yes. So return

4283
02:50:24,160 --> 02:50:28,720
events um our paid events are you will

4284
02:50:26,800 --> 02:50:32,960
continue to be the mother daughter

4285
02:50:28,720 --> 02:50:36,560
mother son father daughter uh and then

4286
02:50:32,960 --> 02:50:38,240
um certainly look to new events. Uh our

4287
02:50:36,560 --> 02:50:40,960
parks commission is working on trails

4288
02:50:38,240 --> 02:50:42,560
day event. Uh in the very early stages

4289
02:50:40,960 --> 02:50:43,520
of of planning that event, but that's

4290
02:50:42,560 --> 02:50:45,680
something that we're going to look to

4291
02:50:43,520 --> 02:50:47,359
highlight all of our trails and pathways

4292
02:50:45,680 --> 02:50:49,600
here in Delta Township. Once upon a

4293
02:50:47,359 --> 02:50:51,040
time, we thought we might be ready to

4294
02:50:49,600 --> 02:50:53,439
roll around the time that we do the

4295
02:50:51,040 --> 02:50:56,720
ribbon cutting for the for the Delta

4296
02:50:53,439 --> 02:50:58,000
Mills to hog one, but that's not going

4297
02:50:56,720 --> 02:50:59,200
to work out. Then a couple of new

4298
02:50:58,000 --> 02:51:01,680
events. Mayor, you want to touch on

4299
02:50:59,200 --> 02:51:04,800
those other two last two?

4300
02:51:01,680 --> 02:51:07,760
» Yeah. Um just uh adding to Marcus' trail

4301
02:51:04,800 --> 02:51:10,080
days, we're also utilizing it as a bonus

4302
02:51:07,760 --> 02:51:11,920
um ad for all of our sponsors for next

4303
02:51:10,080 --> 02:51:14,960
year to try and get them involved in

4304
02:51:11,920 --> 02:51:20,080
that event. So, we're adding that. And

4305
02:51:14,960 --> 02:51:22,880
then um we've got uh two kind of new

4306
02:51:20,080 --> 02:51:24,640
events. Uh one that's very new and then

4307
02:51:22,880 --> 02:51:27,920
one that's kind of being brought back

4308
02:51:24,640 --> 02:51:29,520
after a 23-year hiatus. So our Harvest

4309
02:51:27,920 --> 02:51:31,120
Handmade Market, which is going to be

4310
02:51:29,520 --> 02:51:33,439
small. Uh we're going to start out small

4311
02:51:31,120 --> 02:51:37,279
this year and see where it kind of goes

4312
02:51:33,439 --> 02:51:39,680
and hold it at our new senior center to

4313
02:51:37,279 --> 02:51:43,040
try and get people into that facility.

4314
02:51:39,680 --> 02:51:45,600
Um, and it's really just kind of a craft

4315
02:51:43,040 --> 02:51:47,920
uh fair, but really kind of getting uh

4316
02:51:45,600 --> 02:51:51,600
into that fall spirit and doing another

4317
02:51:47,920 --> 02:51:54,720
fall event uh before we get into the

4318
02:51:51,600 --> 02:51:59,439
really heavy holiday season. And then

4319
02:51:54,720 --> 02:52:01,840
our next one is something that we came

4320
02:51:59,439 --> 02:52:04,000
up with because we heard from all of you

4321
02:52:01,840 --> 02:52:08,479
that we wanted to do something a little

4322
02:52:04,000 --> 02:52:11,520
closer to uh Independence Day. And we

4323
02:52:08,479 --> 02:52:14,880
thought with the challenge that you've

4324
02:52:11,520 --> 02:52:17,920
given us to kind of stay within uh this

4325
02:52:14,880 --> 02:52:20,319
budget that we would um reconfigurate

4326
02:52:17,920 --> 02:52:23,760
our schedule a little bit and do a

4327
02:52:20,319 --> 02:52:26,800
family festival closer to the 4th of

4328
02:52:23,760 --> 02:52:31,439
July um including focused interactive

4329
02:52:26,800 --> 02:52:33,200
events and um free food. We thought

4330
02:52:31,439 --> 02:52:35,279
maybe bringing in an element of, you

4331
02:52:33,200 --> 02:52:37,680
know, free hot dogs and chips and water

4332
02:52:35,279 --> 02:52:40,560
to get families and stuff out there. Um

4333
02:52:37,680 --> 02:52:42,399
it would be similar to kids day uh as it

4334
02:52:40,560 --> 02:52:44,800
morphed a little bit followed by a

4335
02:52:42,399 --> 02:52:46,560
concert be a little later in the day so

4336
02:52:44,800 --> 02:52:48,000
that we can get lots of people there so

4337
02:52:46,560 --> 02:52:50,080
it's not in the middle of the day when

4338
02:52:48,000 --> 02:52:53,200
families are working and get them all

4339
02:52:50,080 --> 02:52:55,200
out there uh to enjoy all the

4340
02:52:53,200 --> 02:52:57,600
activities. These are some of the

4341
02:52:55,200 --> 02:52:59,439
activities that we could do. We did peel

4342
02:52:57,600 --> 02:53:01,520
back some of the larger activities that

4343
02:52:59,439 --> 02:53:04,720
we do showcase on kids day so that those

4344
02:53:01,520 --> 02:53:06,240
are special for kids day. Um but these

4345
02:53:04,720 --> 02:53:07,520
are, you know, some of the things that

4346
02:53:06,240 --> 02:53:10,080
we thought that we might be able to

4347
02:53:07,520 --> 02:53:14,160
accommodate at that event. And we're

4348
02:53:10,080 --> 02:53:19,040
hoping to do that um like the week

4349
02:53:14,160 --> 02:53:21,840
before July 4th uh to help offset and

4350
02:53:19,040 --> 02:53:23,760
not have staff out there when they're

4351
02:53:21,840 --> 02:53:25,760
going to be paid at time and a half or

4352
02:53:23,760 --> 02:53:27,520
double time.

4353
02:53:25,760 --> 02:53:30,080
Yeah. And I think here as well, you

4354
02:53:27,520 --> 02:53:35,040
know, kind of to look to to maximize our

4355
02:53:30,080 --> 02:53:37,279
resources and truly to uh to to show

4356
02:53:35,040 --> 02:53:40,160
more appreciation for Independence Day

4357
02:53:37,279 --> 02:53:42,640
that we were really really focused on

4358
02:53:40,160 --> 02:53:44,319
for for the coming year, but maximizing

4359
02:53:42,640 --> 02:53:46,560
those resources from a standpoint of

4360
02:53:44,319 --> 02:53:48,319
taking a couple events that we've done

4361
02:53:46,560 --> 02:53:50,560
in the past and kind of combining them

4362
02:53:48,319 --> 02:53:51,920
and making them one big one. So, you

4363
02:53:50,560 --> 02:53:53,600
know, you have your component of music

4364
02:53:51,920 --> 02:53:57,359
in the park, but you also have your

4365
02:53:53,600 --> 02:54:00,240
family festival piece. Um, and and that

4366
02:53:57,359 --> 02:54:03,279
allows us uh in terms of the sponsorship

4367
02:54:00,240 --> 02:54:04,880
dollars and resources to to kick off

4368
02:54:03,279 --> 02:54:07,040
this new event. We're very excited about

4369
02:54:04,880 --> 02:54:09,279
it and and again, very early in the

4370
02:54:07,040 --> 02:54:11,600
planning stages, but wanted to get that

4371
02:54:09,279 --> 02:54:14,640
in front of you as a proposal because,

4372
02:54:11,600 --> 02:54:17,600
you know, this is our answer to what can

4373
02:54:14,640 --> 02:54:20,880
we do around Independence Day to show

4374
02:54:17,600 --> 02:54:22,880
show more appreciation. um as well as

4375
02:54:20,880 --> 02:54:25,880
creating family festival and concert

4376
02:54:22,880 --> 02:54:25,880
events.

4377
02:54:26,080 --> 02:54:32,240
I think that's it. Any questions?

4378
02:54:29,439 --> 02:54:35,279
» All right. Um just a quick question. Um

4379
02:54:32,240 --> 02:54:38,479
if you could share, you mentioned um

4380
02:54:35,279 --> 02:54:42,000
reaching out to potential sponsors.

4381
02:54:38,479 --> 02:54:44,080
Um can you share that list with the

4382
02:54:42,000 --> 02:54:46,080
board so we know and can think about

4383
02:54:44,080 --> 02:54:48,160
other potential sponsors?

4384
02:54:46,080 --> 02:54:51,279
» Absolutely. I will grab that list and

4385
02:54:48,160 --> 02:54:53,200
send it out tomorrow to everybody.

4386
02:54:51,279 --> 02:54:53,920
» That was it. And thank you. This is a

4387
02:54:53,200 --> 02:54:55,520
great update.

4388
02:54:53,920 --> 02:54:56,399
» Display form, too. I think it'll be good

4389
02:54:55,520 --> 02:54:58,800
fun when I see the

4390
02:54:56,399 --> 02:55:00,479
» The

4391
02:54:58,800 --> 02:55:02,640
who we're sending it to plus the people

4392
02:55:00,479 --> 02:55:05,439
that we sent it to on our original list.

4393
02:55:02,640 --> 02:55:07,200
So, it's going to everybody plus+. So,

4394
02:55:05,439 --> 02:55:08,560
I'll send every I'll throw them all in

4395
02:55:07,200 --> 02:55:10,399
the one big list just so you've got it,

4396
02:55:08,560 --> 02:55:14,000
but I'll also send you our sponsorship

4397
02:55:10,399 --> 02:55:17,279
ch sorry sponsorship sign that we did

4398
02:55:14,000 --> 02:55:19,920
this year and really highlight everybody

4399
02:55:17,279 --> 02:55:21,600
that got involved. We did have 21 total

4400
02:55:19,920 --> 02:55:23,920
sponsors. They're not all on that

4401
02:55:21,600 --> 02:55:26,479
sponsorship sign because we did have a

4402
02:55:23,920 --> 02:55:28,399
transitional sponsorship program to help

4403
02:55:26,479 --> 02:55:31,200
get catch those people that weren't able

4404
02:55:28,399 --> 02:55:32,960
to get in last fall since it was a new

4405
02:55:31,200 --> 02:55:34,479
program. This year, we're hitting it

4406
02:55:32,960 --> 02:55:36,880
hard. We're going to get everybody in

4407
02:55:34,479 --> 02:55:38,240
before, you know, December and get them

4408
02:55:36,880 --> 02:55:39,359
all on board. We're not going to do that

4409
02:55:38,240 --> 02:55:42,080
this year. So,

4410
02:55:39,359 --> 02:55:44,800
» And the timeline for sponsors to get on

4411
02:55:42,080 --> 02:55:48,080
board is right now.

4412
02:55:44,800 --> 02:55:50,319
» Yep. I've got a December 5th. I think

4413
02:55:48,080 --> 02:55:52,399
December 4th or 5th is our deadline for

4414
02:55:50,319 --> 02:55:54,080
this year. So, they've got some time.

4415
02:55:52,399 --> 02:55:55,760
We'll be reaching back out to them and

4416
02:55:54,080 --> 02:55:57,680
circling back. But if you have any other

4417
02:55:55,760 --> 02:55:59,279
people that you want information sent

4418
02:55:57,680 --> 02:56:01,359
to, feel free to send their contact

4419
02:55:59,279 --> 02:56:03,279
information or if you want it and to

4420
02:56:01,359 --> 02:56:05,120
reach out to them, we can send that to

4421
02:56:03,279 --> 02:56:05,439
you so you can send it out as well.

4422
02:56:05,120 --> 02:56:08,000
» Okay.

4423
02:56:05,439 --> 02:56:10,240
» Trusty Lyman and then I think manager re

4424
02:56:08,000 --> 02:56:12,000
trusty L. Did you have your hand up?

4425
02:56:10,240 --> 02:56:14,160
» Yeah. Thank you for listening to us on

4426
02:56:12,000 --> 02:56:16,319
the on the Uncle Sam Jam thing. I can't

4427
02:56:14,160 --> 02:56:17,760
tell you how much I appreciate that. But

4428
02:56:16,319 --> 02:56:19,040
I do have a question about who came up

4429
02:56:17,760 --> 02:56:20,720
with the name.

4430
02:56:19,040 --> 02:56:23,040
» Okay. So, I'm gonna

4431
02:56:20,720 --> 02:56:26,479
» I'm gonna cop to this.

4432
02:56:23,040 --> 02:56:28,640
» Courtney Nicholls uh told us about

4433
02:56:26,479 --> 02:56:30,880
another community and that's what they

4434
02:56:28,640 --> 02:56:33,040
named it and we added Family Fest on the

4435
02:56:30,880 --> 02:56:36,160
end. So, it's not particularly ours, but

4436
02:56:33,040 --> 02:56:37,439
it's really cool. We like it.

4437
02:56:36,160 --> 02:56:39,600
» Great job. Thank you.

4438
02:56:37,439 --> 02:56:40,720
» Yeah, you guys rocked on that. Manager

4439
02:56:39,600 --> 02:56:44,000
Reed, did you have something you want to

4440
02:56:40,720 --> 02:56:46,640
add? I just wanted to add on and thanks

4441
02:56:44,000 --> 02:56:49,520
to Mary and Marcus and thanks to the

4442
02:56:46,640 --> 02:56:51,200
board for indulging this conversation

4443
02:56:49,520 --> 02:56:53,600
because it is a little bit

4444
02:56:51,200 --> 02:56:56,640
nerve-wracking when we get into some uh

4445
02:56:53,600 --> 02:56:58,399
budget discussions, but I just credit to

4446
02:56:56,640 --> 02:57:00,960
the folks who put on our events because

4447
02:56:58,399 --> 02:57:04,720
the planning really does start in the

4448
02:57:00,960 --> 02:57:07,439
summer previous so and now layering on

4449
02:57:04,720 --> 02:57:10,399
all the fundraising efforts and trying

4450
02:57:07,439 --> 02:57:13,120
to book bands and and and music and that

4451
02:57:10,399 --> 02:57:15,200
type of thing. So, it is kind of

4452
02:57:13,120 --> 02:57:17,840
important to get it in front of you and

4453
02:57:15,200 --> 02:57:22,240
and start making those decisions for

4454
02:57:17,840 --> 02:57:23,520
next year, which is why um I'm uh

4455
02:57:22,240 --> 02:57:26,560
thankful that they were able to pull

4456
02:57:23,520 --> 02:57:28,399
this together in short notice to to

4457
02:57:26,560 --> 02:57:30,399
bring it back in front of the board and

4458
02:57:28,399 --> 02:57:33,120
kind of react to some of the things we

4459
02:57:30,399 --> 02:57:34,080
were hearing from from all of you.

4460
02:57:33,120 --> 02:57:36,640
» Thank you.

4461
02:57:34,080 --> 02:57:38,399
» Well, and I'm thrilled about it. Um, you

4462
02:57:36,640 --> 02:57:40,240
guys probably had smoke coming out of

4463
02:57:38,399 --> 02:57:43,200
your ears from board members going,

4464
02:57:40,240 --> 02:57:45,520
"We've got to bring a family event back.

4465
02:57:43,200 --> 02:57:47,520
We need it. We need it. We need it." Um,

4466
02:57:45,520 --> 02:57:50,319
this is what the community wants. They

4467
02:57:47,520 --> 02:57:53,600
wanted it. We heard them a lot. We heard

4468
02:57:50,319 --> 02:57:55,040
them often. Um, and um, you could just

4469
02:57:53,600 --> 02:57:56,720
never have enough of the family events.

4470
02:57:55,040 --> 02:57:58,319
if we can make it affordable, if we can

4471
02:57:56,720 --> 02:58:01,200
make it doable, we can get the

4472
02:57:58,319 --> 02:58:03,760
sponsorships. Um, and I like that you

4473
02:58:01,200 --> 02:58:06,720
were thinking about not on a holiday per

4474
02:58:03,760 --> 02:58:09,520
se where it's an extra added cost and

4475
02:58:06,720 --> 02:58:11,279
where we don't need as much security

4476
02:58:09,520 --> 02:58:13,279
because safety is the number one reason

4477
02:58:11,279 --> 02:58:14,960
for us that we want to make sure that we

4478
02:58:13,279 --> 02:58:17,600
have the protection for all of the

4479
02:58:14,960 --> 02:58:19,359
community members. So, um, thank you,

4480
02:58:17,600 --> 02:58:20,800
Mary, for what you did last year because

4481
02:58:19,359 --> 02:58:22,560
you rocked it out. I know that's going

4482
02:58:20,800 --> 02:58:25,120
to happen this year. And I want to say

4483
02:58:22,560 --> 02:58:28,520
thank you to whoever it was that got her

4484
02:58:25,120 --> 02:58:28,520
in a picture

4485
02:58:29,279 --> 02:58:32,600
» A former

4486
02:58:33,520 --> 02:58:39,279
» Caught me on pictures. She does not take

4487
02:58:36,720 --> 02:58:42,560
pictures. So when I saw that who did

4488
02:58:39,279 --> 02:58:44,800
that? Uh but thank you thank you so much

4489
02:58:42,560 --> 02:58:46,800
to to everyone involved for the great

4490
02:58:44,800 --> 02:58:49,520
minds that are putting this together as

4491
02:58:46,800 --> 02:58:52,640
we continue to certainly look at ways to

4492
02:58:49,520 --> 02:58:55,600
to be budget conscious. Um yet the

4493
02:58:52,640 --> 02:58:57,760
services matter and so if we can do two

4494
02:58:55,600 --> 02:58:59,520
things at one time I think that's pretty

4495
02:58:57,760 --> 02:59:00,319
special.

4496
02:58:59,520 --> 02:59:01,600
» Awesome. Thank you.

4497
02:59:00,319 --> 02:59:04,160
» Any other comments?

4498
02:59:01,600 --> 02:59:09,359
» Thank you. Great job.

4499
02:59:04,160 --> 02:59:12,240
Okay, we are now on to the 2027 budget

4500
02:59:09,359 --> 02:59:14,080
discussion continued. So, I'm going to

4501
02:59:12,240 --> 02:59:17,439
turn that over to manager Reed. And this

4502
02:59:14,080 --> 02:59:19,840
is really an opportunity that um if

4503
02:59:17,439 --> 02:59:22,240
there's additional ideas or we're

4504
02:59:19,840 --> 02:59:24,560
working our way towards approving a

4505
02:59:22,240 --> 02:59:26,319
budget. So, this is a pathway to get

4506
02:59:24,560 --> 02:59:30,880
there. So if there are some measurements

4507
02:59:26,319 --> 02:59:33,680
or ideas or things you want the board to

4508
02:59:30,880 --> 02:59:36,240
I hate to use the word direct but advise

4509
02:59:33,680 --> 02:59:37,920
administration to go and explore it.

4510
02:59:36,240 --> 02:59:40,479
This is where that happens. It doesn't

4511
02:59:37,920 --> 02:59:42,560
happen outside of the board table. So if

4512
02:59:40,479 --> 02:59:44,560
there's anything and I'll have manager

4513
02:59:42,560 --> 02:59:46,960
Reed speak first uh but if there's

4514
02:59:44,560 --> 02:59:50,080
anything that you want explored it has

4515
02:59:46,960 --> 02:59:51,840
to come move from the body of the board.

4516
02:59:50,080 --> 02:59:55,359
Okay.

4517
02:59:51,840 --> 02:59:58,399
So last board meeting we gave our uh

4518
02:59:55,359 --> 03:00:00,319
proposed budget presentation. Uh finance

4519
02:59:58,399 --> 03:00:04,319
director Nichols

4520
03:00:00,319 --> 03:00:06,800
um did a very nice job with that. Um and

4521
03:00:04,319 --> 03:00:10,479
uh I know we had a very long agenda for

4522
03:00:06,800 --> 03:00:12,479
tonight, but uh with Supervisor Brewer's

4523
03:00:10,479 --> 03:00:15,600
leadership wanted to at least leave a

4524
03:00:12,479 --> 03:00:17,200
place marker on for if anyone wanted to

4525
03:00:15,600 --> 03:00:20,080
have some further discussion or had

4526
03:00:17,200 --> 03:00:23,200
questions on budget. Um, of course we

4527
03:00:20,080 --> 03:00:25,840
have our uh public hearing for the

4528
03:00:23,200 --> 03:00:28,160
special our public safety assessment on

4529
03:00:25,840 --> 03:00:30,560
October 5th. Tonight we just set the

4530
03:00:28,160 --> 03:00:33,920
budget public hearing uh later in

4531
03:00:30,560 --> 03:00:37,040
October. Um, so this is really was just

4532
03:00:33,920 --> 03:00:39,680
a placeholder. We don't have anything um

4533
03:00:37,040 --> 03:00:42,560
particular to present but wanted to

4534
03:00:39,680 --> 03:00:44,960
offer opportunity for any additional

4535
03:00:42,560 --> 03:00:48,560
questions.

4536
03:00:44,960 --> 03:00:50,319
» Finish your statement. Thank you. I was

4537
03:00:48,560 --> 03:00:52,720
just going to mention and and Courtney's

4538
03:00:50,319 --> 03:00:54,800
here uh also if there there are

4539
03:00:52,720 --> 03:00:58,640
questions.

4540
03:00:54,800 --> 03:00:59,920
» Yeah, in this room. Oh, there she is.

4541
03:00:58,640 --> 03:01:05,040
» Um yes, please.

4542
03:00:59,920 --> 03:01:09,439
» Okay. Um yeah, just wanted to take this

4543
03:01:05,040 --> 03:01:13,680
opportunity to ask you and staff to kind

4544
03:01:09,439 --> 03:01:16,160
of look at um and and I know these two

4545
03:01:13,680 --> 03:01:19,200
things are kind of going in tandem. We

4546
03:01:16,160 --> 03:01:21,760
have the uh the public hearing scheduled

4547
03:01:19,200 --> 03:01:25,200
on the special assessment.

4548
03:01:21,760 --> 03:01:27,359
Um and that ties in with our budget.

4549
03:01:25,200 --> 03:01:30,560
It's a component of our budget, the

4550
03:01:27,359 --> 03:01:33,279
revenue from that special assessment. Um

4551
03:01:30,560 --> 03:01:36,720
but you know we all understood the very

4552
03:01:33,279 --> 03:01:39,359
challenging position the township was in

4553
03:01:36,720 --> 03:01:41,439
um after you know having to negotiate a

4554
03:01:39,359 --> 03:01:45,120
new contract and then with the cost and

4555
03:01:41,439 --> 03:01:48,160
having to pay for a new contract and

4556
03:01:45,120 --> 03:01:51,520
really had limited options with that.

4557
03:01:48,160 --> 03:01:54,000
Um, one of those presented was um, and

4558
03:01:51,520 --> 03:01:56,240
and really what ended up being in my

4559
03:01:54,000 --> 03:01:59,760
opinion kind of the only viable option

4560
03:01:56,240 --> 03:02:02,319
we had for the shortfall in funding was

4561
03:01:59,760 --> 03:02:04,479
a special assessment. And we had the

4562
03:02:02,319 --> 03:02:07,439
opportunity, you know, I think part of

4563
03:02:04,479 --> 03:02:10,080
the appeal was the opportunity every

4564
03:02:07,439 --> 03:02:13,040
year to evaluate in the context of our

4565
03:02:10,080 --> 03:02:17,200
budget whether or not what amount was

4566
03:02:13,040 --> 03:02:21,520
needed and um you know whether or not

4567
03:02:17,200 --> 03:02:24,080
that should be adjusted in any way. Um

4568
03:02:21,520 --> 03:02:28,080
and so I would just ask that we look at

4569
03:02:24,080 --> 03:02:31,439
that. Um, you know, I I've mentioned

4570
03:02:28,080 --> 03:02:33,760
before and we'll mention again, we have

4571
03:02:31,439 --> 03:02:36,960
a significant number in our community

4572
03:02:33,760 --> 03:02:39,920
that are really struggling. Um, and

4573
03:02:36,960 --> 03:02:42,000
realize a lot of these costs aren't

4574
03:02:39,920 --> 03:02:43,920
anything that we can control as a

4575
03:02:42,000 --> 03:02:47,279
township, whether it's gas prices,

4576
03:02:43,920 --> 03:02:51,359
grocery prices, energy costs, lots of

4577
03:02:47,279 --> 03:02:52,800
factors. Um, but there are a number of

4578
03:02:51,359 --> 03:02:54,479
households that are really challenged,

4579
03:02:52,800 --> 03:02:56,479
folks that are, you know, dealing with

4580
03:02:54,479 --> 03:02:58,720
the bank drain assessment. They're just

4581
03:02:56,479 --> 03:03:01,359
struggling and and many on fixed

4582
03:02:58,720 --> 03:03:05,279
incomes, but not exclusively by any

4583
03:03:01,359 --> 03:03:09,279
means. And um

4584
03:03:05,279 --> 03:03:11,840
again knowing I I realize there's

4585
03:03:09,279 --> 03:03:13,920
probably not the ability there I know

4586
03:03:11,840 --> 03:03:16,240
there's not the ability to eliminate our

4587
03:03:13,920 --> 03:03:19,200
assess that special assessment but I

4588
03:03:16,240 --> 03:03:22,640
think we need to do a really honest

4589
03:03:19,200 --> 03:03:25,200
evaluation and see if we

4590
03:03:22,640 --> 03:03:26,960
um have the capacity to reduce that and

4591
03:03:25,200 --> 03:03:30,000
take some of that burden off our

4592
03:03:26,960 --> 03:03:32,720
residents. And I I I think it's an

4593
03:03:30,000 --> 03:03:37,279
obligation we have as a board each year

4594
03:03:32,720 --> 03:03:40,640
to genuinely look at that and see how,

4595
03:03:37,279 --> 03:03:42,640
you know, um

4596
03:03:40,640 --> 03:03:44,720
just just make that true assessment of

4597
03:03:42,640 --> 03:03:48,720
what's needed. we did that the first

4598
03:03:44,720 --> 03:03:50,240
year last year and and I I would like to

4599
03:03:48,720 --> 03:03:53,600
see

4600
03:03:50,240 --> 03:03:55,520
um that assessment and hopefully you

4601
03:03:53,600 --> 03:03:58,160
know there's an opportunity where we can

4602
03:03:55,520 --> 03:04:01,279
ease that burden some with a reduction.

4603
03:03:58,160 --> 03:04:03,920
So um I just put that out there. I do

4604
03:04:01,279 --> 03:04:06,560
feel it's a critical component of you

4605
03:04:03,920 --> 03:04:09,120
know we've got these two pieces moving

4606
03:04:06,560 --> 03:04:12,080
in tandem and so I just put that out

4607
03:04:09,120 --> 03:04:15,120
there as a request. Well, how would you

4608
03:04:12,080 --> 03:04:17,520
like that to look? So, the budget's

4609
03:04:15,120 --> 03:04:20,960
balanced right now. So, if we do that,

4610
03:04:17,520 --> 03:04:23,200
we would come back with like a cut. So,

4611
03:04:20,960 --> 03:04:25,920
we had listed all the things we didn't

4612
03:04:23,200 --> 03:04:27,680
include in the budget. So, I guess I'm

4613
03:04:25,920 --> 03:04:30,000
not sure

4614
03:04:27,680 --> 03:04:32,080
how want that to look. Just like

4615
03:04:30,000 --> 03:04:35,200
suggestions, maybe a list of like

4616
03:04:32,080 --> 03:04:37,040
suggestions for cuts and and to what

4617
03:04:35,200 --> 03:04:39,760
level would you want to see them like?

4618
03:04:37,040 --> 03:04:42,240
Cuz I think we're at 2.8 8 million that

4619
03:04:39,760 --> 03:04:46,160
the assessment brings in at the 1.5

4620
03:04:42,240 --> 03:04:49,359
level. So I think every 0.25 we lower

4621
03:04:46,160 --> 03:04:53,040
it's about $500,000.

4622
03:04:49,359 --> 03:04:55,600
Yeah. If helpful, I'm happy to offer

4623
03:04:53,040 --> 03:04:59,920
components in the budget that I

4624
03:04:55,600 --> 03:05:03,439
personally um don't, you know, view as

4625
03:04:59,920 --> 03:05:04,960
under consideration to offset um what a

4626
03:05:03,439 --> 03:05:05,600
cost

4627
03:05:04,960 --> 03:05:06,800
pardon

4628
03:05:05,600 --> 03:05:10,479
» That you don't feel

4629
03:05:06,800 --> 03:05:12,800
» That I would offer as for consideration

4630
03:05:10,479 --> 03:05:14,800
to offset the cost. Yeah. And I'm saying

4631
03:05:12,800 --> 03:05:16,800
that's my personal opinion. Others may

4632
03:05:14,800 --> 03:05:19,439
have different opinions, but just I'm

4633
03:05:16,800 --> 03:05:21,439
offered to happy to offer suggestions on

4634
03:05:19,439 --> 03:05:23,120
where we could offset that in the budget

4635
03:05:21,439 --> 03:05:25,680
if you would like that. So,

4636
03:05:23,120 --> 03:05:27,040
» And if you please do it here if you're

4637
03:05:25,680 --> 03:05:29,920
going to do

4638
03:05:27,040 --> 03:05:32,640
» You know do it publicly if you have

4639
03:05:29,920 --> 03:05:33,200
ideas. This is the conversation you want

4640
03:05:32,640 --> 03:05:36,080
to do it

4641
03:05:33,200 --> 03:05:37,520
» Right now to do it. I mean, is that

4642
03:05:36,080 --> 03:05:39,279
something that you'd want to do like on

4643
03:05:37,520 --> 03:05:41,920
the 5th or

4644
03:05:39,279 --> 03:05:44,720
» Yeah. And

4645
03:05:41,920 --> 03:05:46,800
um sure.

4646
03:05:44,720 --> 03:05:48,319
» Yeah, that's all I would ask is let's do

4647
03:05:46,800 --> 03:05:50,080
this in the open.

4648
03:05:48,319 --> 03:05:52,319
» Could that be something perhaps that's

4649
03:05:50,080 --> 03:05:54,479
like prepared for the packet?

4650
03:05:52,319 --> 03:05:56,240
» You know, like maybe you could do like a

4651
03:05:54,479 --> 03:05:57,920
memo that we could just include in the

4652
03:05:56,240 --> 03:05:59,439
packet for part of the budget

4653
03:05:57,920 --> 03:06:00,640
discussion. I mean, we haven't done that

4654
03:05:59,439 --> 03:06:01,840
before, but I mean, that might be

4655
03:06:00,640 --> 03:06:02,720
helpful because then we could all see it

4656
03:06:01,840 --> 03:06:04,720
ahead of time.

4657
03:06:02,720 --> 03:06:06,880
» Yeah, everybody needs to see everything.

4658
03:06:04,720 --> 03:06:07,920
I think we we've always operated that

4659
03:06:06,880 --> 03:06:09,840
way and I want

4660
03:06:07,920 --> 03:06:10,479
» Continue to me just then I could look at

4661
03:06:09,840 --> 03:06:12,560
it

4662
03:06:10,479 --> 03:06:14,720
» Person that can direct administration to

4663
03:06:12,560 --> 03:06:16,319
make an amendment or change. So if

4664
03:06:14,720 --> 03:06:18,399
there's information that you would like

4665
03:06:16,319 --> 03:06:19,279
considered all I ask is that we bring it

4666
03:06:18,399 --> 03:06:20,880
to the board table

4667
03:06:19,279 --> 03:06:23,439
» And if I can get it, you know, then I

4668
03:06:20,880 --> 03:06:25,359
can look at it and see if there's

4669
03:06:23,439 --> 03:06:27,520
» Yeah. And Courtney, I would just offer

4670
03:06:25,359 --> 03:06:30,319
to maybe there's some time you and I can

4671
03:06:27,520 --> 03:06:32,240
just sit down, find some time just I can

4672
03:06:30,319 --> 03:06:34,000
identify some things, get your feedback,

4673
03:06:32,240 --> 03:06:37,840
and then we can put in a memo for the

4674
03:06:34,000 --> 03:06:40,160
board to have a broader discussion.

4675
03:06:37,840 --> 03:06:42,080
» Yeah, I don't know.

4676
03:06:40,160 --> 03:06:44,399
» Um, just to talk through. I mean, there

4677
03:06:42,080 --> 03:06:45,840
may be nuances that I'm not aware of.

4678
03:06:44,399 --> 03:06:48,960
So, I don't know.

4679
03:06:45,840 --> 03:06:51,760
» That's why I was thinking

4680
03:06:48,960 --> 03:06:53,359
I um I mean, I think that would be

4681
03:06:51,760 --> 03:06:56,560
helpful. Well, I think we just have to

4682
03:06:53,359 --> 03:06:58,800
be cognizant of the

4683
03:06:56,560 --> 03:07:04,399
the position it to put staff in. If we

4684
03:06:58,800 --> 03:07:06,399
have seven people offering that up, I

4685
03:07:04,399 --> 03:07:08,640
mean, I don't mind hearing feedback and

4686
03:07:06,399 --> 03:07:11,040
then as staff bringing some

4687
03:07:08,640 --> 03:07:13,760
recommendations.

4688
03:07:11,040 --> 03:07:16,399
» Um, always happy to sit down and answer

4689
03:07:13,760 --> 03:07:18,560
questions. I I just I'm I'm just a

4690
03:07:16,399 --> 03:07:21,200
little bit worried if everybody's going

4691
03:07:18,560 --> 03:07:24,479
to be taking a axe to the budget and

4692
03:07:21,200 --> 03:07:26,800
then having us left to try to

4693
03:07:24,479 --> 03:07:28,399
» Piece together our services.

4694
03:07:26,800 --> 03:07:30,160
» I see that happen. And that's why I said

4695
03:07:28,399 --> 03:07:32,319
if there's any suggestions or

4696
03:07:30,160 --> 03:07:34,560
recommendations for consideration, even

4697
03:07:32,319 --> 03:07:37,120
if they're not flushed out,

4698
03:07:34,560 --> 03:07:39,680
» Bring them here. Let's have an open

4699
03:07:37,120 --> 03:07:41,920
discussion, a conversation, because it

4700
03:07:39,680 --> 03:07:43,840
does put them on the spot a little bit.

4701
03:07:41,920 --> 03:07:46,000
So, I don't want that to happen. I'd

4702
03:07:43,840 --> 03:07:48,720
rather us talk about it and if the board

4703
03:07:46,000 --> 03:07:50,319
is feeling like, yeah, that's that's

4704
03:07:48,720 --> 03:07:51,840
really cool. I want to see I want to do

4705
03:07:50,319 --> 03:07:53,439
that. But there's nothing to stop. Any

4706
03:07:51,840 --> 03:07:55,760
board member can certainly have a

4707
03:07:53,439 --> 03:07:57,920
conversation like I don't know about

4708
03:07:55,760 --> 03:08:00,080
this. And so sometimes you need more

4709
03:07:57,920 --> 03:08:02,800
information before you want to present

4710
03:08:00,080 --> 03:08:06,399
an idea. I'm good with that, too. I just

4711
03:08:02,800 --> 03:08:07,680
don't want to put these two on the line

4712
03:08:06,399 --> 03:08:09,680
to um

4713
03:08:07,680 --> 03:08:15,279
» I can do most of this off the top of my

4714
03:08:09,680 --> 03:08:18,560
head. So I'm not inside out. So you can

4715
03:08:15,279 --> 03:08:20,399
bring it on. I'm good. Don't don't be

4716
03:08:18,560 --> 03:08:22,880
worried about that.

4717
03:08:20,399 --> 03:08:25,920
» Worry about if you

4718
03:08:22,880 --> 03:08:27,920
» I cannot do it off the top of my head.

4719
03:08:25,920 --> 03:08:30,880
» That wasn't trying to complicate things.

4720
03:08:27,920 --> 03:08:33,200
I just thought rather than show up on

4721
03:08:30,880 --> 03:08:35,279
October 5th with a list of things I

4722
03:08:33,200 --> 03:08:37,840
think work and then find out, well, this

4723
03:08:35,279 --> 03:08:40,240
one might, this one might not, having a

4724
03:08:37,840 --> 03:08:42,240
more conversation

4725
03:08:40,240 --> 03:08:44,080
» If they have that time. But that's the

4726
03:08:42,240 --> 03:08:46,560
that's the purpose of having this appear

4727
03:08:44,080 --> 03:08:48,960
on our agenda multiple times. So it

4728
03:08:46,560 --> 03:08:50,640
gives you a chance to think out loud and

4729
03:08:48,960 --> 03:08:52,399
say, you know, I know how could we do

4730
03:08:50,640 --> 03:08:53,680
this? Um and she's going to tell you

4731
03:08:52,399 --> 03:08:55,040
where that what happens with that

4732
03:08:53,680 --> 03:08:57,279
balloon.

4733
03:08:55,040 --> 03:08:58,880
» Well, I can just bring it up on October

4734
03:08:57,279 --> 03:08:59,760
5th if that's preferred.

4735
03:08:58,880 --> 03:09:01,520
» Sure.

4736
03:08:59,760 --> 03:09:03,920
» Okay.

4737
03:09:01,520 --> 03:09:06,560
» I

4738
03:09:03,920 --> 03:09:08,960
Yeah, I'm

4739
03:09:06,560 --> 03:09:11,600
I guess I'm stuck. I I hate to be

4740
03:09:08,960 --> 03:09:14,080
reacting on the spot on October 5th to a

4741
03:09:11,600 --> 03:09:18,080
bunch of things, but at the same time,

4742
03:09:14,080 --> 03:09:20,800
uh, you know, multiple board members

4743
03:09:18,080 --> 03:09:23,279
come to us saying, I I don't like this

4744
03:09:20,800 --> 03:09:26,240
in the budget.

4745
03:09:23,279 --> 03:09:28,240
Uh, I, you know, I don't know how to I I

4746
03:09:26,240 --> 03:09:31,359
mean, like I said, I guess in some ways

4747
03:09:28,240 --> 03:09:33,520
we could help try to flush all that out

4748
03:09:31,359 --> 03:09:36,720
and bring some recommendations and have

4749
03:09:33,520 --> 03:09:38,640
them all listed for discussion. I I

4750
03:09:36,720 --> 03:09:39,520
don't know what you kind of prefer,

4751
03:09:38,640 --> 03:09:41,120
Courtney.

4752
03:09:39,520 --> 03:09:42,399
» I mean, I guess I if I can have them

4753
03:09:41,120 --> 03:09:44,080
ahead of time, I'd rather have them

4754
03:09:42,399 --> 03:09:46,000
ahead of time, like either for the

4755
03:09:44,080 --> 03:09:47,840
packet or for discussion. Like I said,

4756
03:09:46,000 --> 03:09:50,080
it's not really up to like I can do it

4757
03:09:47,840 --> 03:09:52,800
anyway that you guys want, but

4758
03:09:50,080 --> 03:09:54,479
» Obviously I know it's important to have

4759
03:09:52,800 --> 03:09:54,880
it in the public.

4760
03:09:54,479 --> 03:09:56,160
» Yes.

4761
03:09:54,880 --> 03:09:57,760
» But I mean, if it's something that's

4762
03:09:56,160 --> 03:09:58,800
impossible, you know, like it's not like

4763
03:09:57,760 --> 03:10:00,160
you're going to be like, "Oh, don't make

4764
03:09:58,800 --> 03:10:01,200
your bond payment." I mean, obviously,

4765
03:10:00,160 --> 03:10:03,439
you know,

4766
03:10:01,200 --> 03:10:04,000
» So I'm not too worried that it wouldn't

4767
03:10:03,439 --> 03:10:05,520
be something,

4768
03:10:04,000 --> 03:10:08,240
» But it's also like, oh, don't cut

4769
03:10:05,520 --> 03:10:10,000
funding here because we've got a match

4770
03:10:08,240 --> 03:10:12,479
for a grant that we've got to make. You

4771
03:10:10,000 --> 03:10:14,000
know what I mean? It's like it could be

4772
03:10:12,479 --> 03:10:17,760
a variety of things that I don't know

4773
03:10:14,000 --> 03:10:19,359
all the nuances. So, I don't

4774
03:10:17,760 --> 03:10:20,399
» Conversation and then if it's something

4775
03:10:19,359 --> 03:10:21,920
because I mean, obviously, I'm not going

4776
03:10:20,399 --> 03:10:25,120
to take action to actually cut it based

4777
03:10:21,920 --> 03:10:26,800
on that. So, it could be, you know,

4778
03:10:25,120 --> 03:10:29,120
» Questions and then that could lead to

4779
03:10:26,800 --> 03:10:30,640
what you actually bring back. But if it

4780
03:10:29,120 --> 03:10:32,000
could go in the packet just so that we

4781
03:10:30,640 --> 03:10:33,920
had it ahead of time, that would be

4782
03:10:32,000 --> 03:10:36,720
optimal. Okay. As far as anything you

4783
03:10:33,920 --> 03:10:38,160
want, that might actually be a cut you

4784
03:10:36,720 --> 03:10:39,680
want everyone to make because that's

4785
03:10:38,160 --> 03:10:40,240
where it's going to have to be everyone,

4786
03:10:39,680 --> 03:10:42,319
right?

4787
03:10:40,240 --> 03:10:43,680
» Sure.

4788
03:10:42,319 --> 03:10:46,720
» Anything treasure?

4789
03:10:43,680 --> 03:10:49,279
» A question. Um but you

4790
03:10:46,720 --> 03:10:53,200
um you said the two are tied together

4791
03:10:49,279 --> 03:10:56,240
and they are but um

4792
03:10:53,200 --> 03:10:58,720
I mean we you cut the budget

4793
03:10:56,240 --> 03:11:00,880
uh but we can still levy you know the

4794
03:10:58,720 --> 03:11:02,399
millillage that's been recommended by

4795
03:11:00,880 --> 03:11:05,279
staff

4796
03:11:02,399 --> 03:11:08,479
um and it offsets to some degree. So I

4797
03:11:05,279 --> 03:11:12,240
guess I'm a little confused on how you

4798
03:11:08,479 --> 03:11:15,120
are thinking how we tie that together

4799
03:11:12,240 --> 03:11:17,920
and then cut the budget cuz you know we

4800
03:11:15,120 --> 03:11:20,560
can do two independently actually we can

4801
03:11:17,920 --> 03:11:23,840
reduce the millage which cuts the budget

4802
03:11:20,560 --> 03:11:26,960
or we can just cut the bullet budget and

4803
03:11:23,840 --> 03:11:29,520
it has the same effect.

4804
03:11:26,960 --> 03:11:32,960
Yeah, if I may respond, um, Treasurer

4805
03:11:29,520 --> 03:11:35,680
Fidawa, I was envisioning a reduction in

4806
03:11:32,960 --> 03:11:38,399
the special assessment, which would lead

4807
03:11:35,680 --> 03:11:40,800
to a reduction in revenues for the

4808
03:11:38,399 --> 03:11:45,720
township, which means there needs to be

4809
03:11:40,800 --> 03:11:45,720
compensating adjustments to the budget.

4810
03:11:46,960 --> 03:11:51,120
» Any other budget comments?

4811
03:11:50,000 --> 03:11:53,120
Trusty Bowling.

4812
03:11:51,120 --> 03:11:55,760
» I believe that Courtney is our finance

4813
03:11:53,120 --> 03:11:57,600
director and our directors who work

4814
03:11:55,760 --> 03:12:00,240
every single day with their staff and

4815
03:11:57,600 --> 03:12:02,960
the programs that they know what they

4816
03:12:00,240 --> 03:12:04,880
can do and what they need to do it. And

4817
03:12:02,960 --> 03:12:06,160
I trust that they have gone through this

4818
03:12:04,880 --> 03:12:08,000
budget. I have looked through this

4819
03:12:06,160 --> 03:12:09,920
budget and I am comfortable with it the

4820
03:12:08,000 --> 03:12:12,240
way it is. I'm also comfortable with the

4821
03:12:09,920 --> 03:12:14,800
assessment the way it is because we are

4822
03:12:12,240 --> 03:12:16,960
not the ones who set the price for our

4823
03:12:14,800 --> 03:12:19,120
deputies. The county sets that price and

4824
03:12:16,960 --> 03:12:22,359
we have to pay it so that we can have

4825
03:12:19,120 --> 03:12:22,359
our deputies.

4826
03:12:25,840 --> 03:12:31,120
» Any other comments?

4827
03:12:28,080 --> 03:12:31,680
» Josh, go Josh first and then treasure.

4828
03:12:31,120 --> 03:12:33,359
» Yeah.

4829
03:12:31,680 --> 03:12:35,920
» Well, I just want to thank Brian and and

4830
03:12:33,359 --> 03:12:38,160
Courtney. I sent them a small laundry

4831
03:12:35,920 --> 03:12:40,560
list that fortunately they alleviated my

4832
03:12:38,160 --> 03:12:42,240
concerns on kind of majority of it. The

4833
03:12:40,560 --> 03:12:43,760
only thing I really wanted to to bring

4834
03:12:42,240 --> 03:12:46,160
up publicly before it does actually get

4835
03:12:43,760 --> 03:12:47,600
brought up is the uh discussion around

4836
03:12:46,160 --> 03:12:49,520
board compensation. I know that we have

4837
03:12:47,600 --> 03:12:51,760
to do a resolution

4838
03:12:49,520 --> 03:12:53,439
um that staff prepares every year to

4839
03:12:51,760 --> 03:12:55,439
give the board raises and I just want to

4840
03:12:53,439 --> 03:12:56,560
say now that I don't support that at all

4841
03:12:55,439 --> 03:12:59,279
and I'm just hoping that we don't bring

4842
03:12:56,560 --> 03:13:01,520
that up.

4843
03:12:59,279 --> 03:13:03,040
» Say that again. You don't support

4844
03:13:01,520 --> 03:13:04,560
» I don't support us bringing it up.

4845
03:13:03,040 --> 03:13:10,680
» Oh, you don't support us bringing it up?

4846
03:13:04,560 --> 03:13:10,680
Okay. Okay. Got that. Treasurer Fidawa.

4847
03:13:10,880 --> 03:13:16,479
» Okay. Clarification. Trustee Wyman. You

4848
03:13:13,920 --> 03:13:19,600
don't support bringing up the issue of

4849
03:13:16,479 --> 03:13:22,479
board compensation in the budget. Is

4850
03:13:19,600 --> 03:13:23,200
that what you're stating as a matter of

4851
03:13:22,479 --> 03:13:25,359
» Understanding? I don't want the

4852
03:13:23,200 --> 03:13:27,359
resolution brought up like we did last

4853
03:13:25,359 --> 03:13:30,000
year. We didn't bring out the cost of

4854
03:13:27,359 --> 03:13:32,560
living resolution.

4855
03:13:30,000 --> 03:13:34,319
» Okay. Okay. I understand. Okay. Uh so

4856
03:13:32,560 --> 03:13:37,279
that ties in with my question. You know,

4857
03:13:34,319 --> 03:13:39,040
is is a cost of living

4858
03:13:37,279 --> 03:13:39,840
increase for board members build into

4859
03:13:39,040 --> 03:13:40,399
the budget?

4860
03:13:39,840 --> 03:13:42,160
» It is.

4861
03:13:40,399 --> 03:13:43,520
» Oh, yeah. Because it's the policy that

4862
03:13:42,160 --> 03:13:44,880
it included.

4863
03:13:43,520 --> 03:13:47,680
» You would have to take action, a

4864
03:13:44,880 --> 03:13:48,960
separate action on the salary, but just

4865
03:13:47,680 --> 03:13:50,479
not include like you did last year.

4866
03:13:48,960 --> 03:13:52,880
» Right. Right.

4867
03:13:50,479 --> 03:13:55,600
» Um the other question I have is, and you

4868
03:13:52,880 --> 03:13:58,239
alluded to it, manager Reed, is uh the

4869
03:13:55,600 --> 03:14:00,080
CIA adopted their budget, but could you

4870
03:13:58,239 --> 03:14:02,560
elaborate on what they did? I don't I

4871
03:14:00,080 --> 03:14:06,239
don't see it here. Is it

4872
03:14:02,560 --> 03:14:08,560
» I think it's a page kind of short buried

4873
03:14:06,239 --> 03:14:10,319
in there. It should be towards the end.

4874
03:14:08,560 --> 03:14:12,160
» What I'm curious as to what

4875
03:14:10,319 --> 03:14:14,640
» We didn't change it drastically from

4876
03:14:12,160 --> 03:14:16,399
last year. So they basically have it's

4877
03:14:14,640 --> 03:14:18,960
four categories. Their administration

4878
03:14:16,399 --> 03:14:21,279
fee which is set by their policy. They

4879
03:14:18,960 --> 03:14:22,319
have some corridor maintenance. I don't

4880
03:14:21,279 --> 03:14:23,920
think they've determined how they're

4881
03:14:22,319 --> 03:14:26,000
going to use it. Legal fees and

4882
03:14:23,920 --> 03:14:28,399
professional services. They did enter

4883
03:14:26,000 --> 03:14:30,720
into a contract with Verness to do some

4884
03:14:28,399 --> 03:14:32,560
work on the entryway signage. you know,

4885
03:14:30,720 --> 03:14:33,520
they just paid the board to do the study

4886
03:14:32,560 --> 03:14:36,000
on the

4887
03:14:33,520 --> 03:14:38,080
» Power line burying. So, but their budget

4888
03:14:36,000 --> 03:14:38,399
stayed the same between the two years.

4889
03:14:38,080 --> 03:14:40,160
» Okay.

4890
03:14:38,399 --> 03:14:42,239
» We will likely see a reduction in

4891
03:14:40,160 --> 03:14:43,760
revenue with them because of the county

4892
03:14:42,239 --> 03:14:45,040
millages coming off

4893
03:14:43,760 --> 03:14:47,439
» That we'll have some if the road

4894
03:14:45,040 --> 03:14:50,000
millage, for example, fails. That would

4895
03:14:47,439 --> 03:14:52,560
be a notable hit, you know, because it's

4896
03:14:50,000 --> 03:14:54,479
it's less capture.

4897
03:14:52,560 --> 03:14:56,800
» But their budget was basically the same

4898
03:14:54,479 --> 03:14:58,960
as last year proposed and they haven't

4899
03:14:56,800 --> 03:15:00,319
really spent much this year. No, I just

4900
03:14:58,960 --> 03:15:02,319
wondering if they're going to do any new

4901
03:15:00,319 --> 03:15:03,920
expenditures as far as um any

4902
03:15:02,319 --> 03:15:05,040
consultants or anything like that.

4903
03:15:03,920 --> 03:15:08,239
» Yeah,

4904
03:15:05,040 --> 03:15:10,560
» We did a a traffic consultant uh because

4905
03:15:08,239 --> 03:15:12,720
we have some upcoming uh or development

4906
03:15:10,560 --> 03:15:15,120
proposals there and uh as Courtney

4907
03:15:12,720 --> 03:15:18,000
mentioned a a small contract with

4908
03:15:15,120 --> 03:15:22,000
Verness to look at signage, entryway

4909
03:15:18,000 --> 03:15:24,800
signage at the interchange. Um that was

4910
03:15:22,000 --> 03:15:27,439
roughly eight or nine,000.

4911
03:15:24,800 --> 03:15:29,279
» Okay. Okay. It's projected at the end of

4912
03:15:27,439 --> 03:15:31,760
um

4913
03:15:29,279 --> 03:15:33,760
2027 that they'll have about a million

4914
03:15:31,760 --> 03:15:34,080
dollars in fund balance,

4915
03:15:33,760 --> 03:15:40,479
» Right?

4916
03:15:34,080 --> 03:15:44,000
» Uh which we are we did receive 30%

4917
03:15:40,479 --> 03:15:46,960
design plans for the Boulevard project.

4918
03:15:44,000 --> 03:15:50,640
So there are going to be some potential

4919
03:15:46,960 --> 03:15:53,040
matching funds on that project um for

4920
03:15:50,640 --> 03:15:56,640
either non-motorized

4921
03:15:53,040 --> 03:15:58,720
lighting those type uh uh pedestrian

4922
03:15:56,640 --> 03:16:01,200
» Will we charge any administration fees

4923
03:15:58,720 --> 03:16:03,520
while I'm

4924
03:16:01,200 --> 03:16:04,960
» Potentially

4925
03:16:03,520 --> 03:16:06,239
right

4926
03:16:04,960 --> 03:16:06,880
» All right well thank you I was curious

4927
03:16:06,239 --> 03:16:08,640
on that

4928
03:16:06,880 --> 03:16:12,239
» Any other comments for the budget

4929
03:16:08,640 --> 03:16:14,479
discussion for so we will discuss it at

4930
03:16:12,239 --> 03:16:17,040
the October 5th meeting.

4931
03:16:14,479 --> 03:16:19,200
» Thank you, Courtney. Thank you. At this

4932
03:16:17,040 --> 03:16:20,479
time, are there any public comments?

4933
03:16:19,200 --> 03:16:22,560
Anyone would like to come and address

4934
03:16:20,479 --> 03:16:26,160
the board?

4935
03:16:22,560 --> 03:16:28,720
» Public comment. No public comment. Not

4936
03:16:26,160 --> 03:16:28,720
seeing any.