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» Five,

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» I think.

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evening. Thank you for your patience

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with us. There's a lot of organizing

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going on here. This is not an easy

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thing to put these public hearings

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So, you are at the Brisbane special

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meeting of September 29th. Thank you for

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joining us tonight. And I'm calling this

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meeting to order at 5:42 p.m. Would you

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please consider joining me in the pledge

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of allegiance?

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» Pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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All council members are here tonight.

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So, we have none attending remotely.

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City clerk, could we have a roll call,

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» Council member Davis

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» Here.

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» Council member Kern

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» Here.

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» Council member Lent

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» Here.

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» Council member Okonnell

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» Here.

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» And Mayor Mackin

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» Here. Can I get a first and second to

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adopt the agenda as it stands?

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» So moved.

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» Second. All in favor? I.

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» No one opposed.

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» This is a continuation of a public

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hearing.

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» This is a public hearing continued from

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September 14, 2026.

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And tonight we have two topics continued

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from the last meeting is air quality and

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mitigation measures identified in the

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EIR. The second topic, the new topic is

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I'm going to read the caveat that

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applies to all speakers both online and

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present. We welcome speakers providing

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public comment during tonight's

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continued public hearing, but please be

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advised this is a limited public forum.

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stay on topic.

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on topic matters are those that are

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within the subject matter jurisdiction

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of the city of Brisbane. Speakers will

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have four minutes for each topic.

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because remember, it's not that we don't

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want to hear you longer, but then you're

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taking time away from someone else and

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we want to be fair. Following these

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rules helps ensure the city council can

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get to all the items on the agenda,

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including hearing public comment on the

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items. If a speaker fails to follow

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these rules, they're disrupting the

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meeting and they'll be warned. I promise

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you. If a speaker continues to ignore

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the rules or is otherwise disruptive,

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their opportunity to speak will be ended

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and they may be precluded from speaking

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on any other items tonight. So, as some

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starting comments, I I think it's

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wonderful that all of you showed up.

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This process is not just about the

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council or the applicant or their their

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marketing agent. This is about an entire

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community

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making a massive change. And we're not

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here to just listen to you. We really

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hear a lot of your suggestions. We've

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had some wonderful speakers come up here

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and bring up things that we might never

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have thought of. And that's collectively

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the best of all worlds. So we encourage

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you to speak, ask your questions, ask

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ask staff. The developers

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representatives are here. Um some

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questions. You might sty everyone and

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we'll have to come back with an answer

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at another meeting. But please also your

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comments. Your comments are welcome too.

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We want to know what's on your mind.

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project from all perspectives. There's

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not one side or another. It's all

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together. So, and we are advancing this

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whole process and you're part of it. So,

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thank you for joining us tonight and for

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everyone online as well.

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So the first item we have again is air

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quality and greenhouse gas impacts

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associated mitigation measures

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identified in the EIR. And so staff, we

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had a a report on this last time. Would

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you like to do a short recap on this or

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just dust off everyone's brain cells?

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You have anything you want to show us?

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» Yes, we can uh start the presentation.

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We have a brief recap and we'll pause.

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» Thank you. I appreciate that.

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All right. Uh, good evening, honorable

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mayor and council members. Tonight, the

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council will be holding the second in a

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planned series of public hearings on the

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Brisbane Bayland specific plan and other

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related approvals, which together will

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establish the regulatory framework for

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buildout of a new mixeduse neighborhood

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in the Bayand sub area of the city. Next

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Tonight's presentation will be delivered

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as one contiguous segment. That's

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actually going to be two. Now, uh we

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will begin with a brief recap of the

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topics previously discussed followed by

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an overview of the land use plan and

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design topics contained in the specific

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plan. The focus for the second part will

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be on distribution and intensity of land

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uses, location of open spaces and

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amenities, the specific plans interface

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with sea level rise, objective standards

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and design guidelines, and protection

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and preservation of the roundhouse.

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applicant will have an opportunity to

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address the council followed by a public

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comment period on the the topics.

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» Jeremiah, can I stop you? Can we break

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through the whole land use presentation?

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» We're not going to go through the whole

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land use presentation until later, man.

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» Okay, perfect. Thank you.

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» Next slide, please.

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Uh, as a reminder to the council and the

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public, this series of hearings is

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organized around the requirements of

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Measure JJ. Each meeting focuses on a

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specific set of topics and staff is

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seeking council comments, questions, and

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direction on the highlight the items

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highlighted during each presentation. At

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the end of each topic focus hearing, the

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goal is to have clear direction from the

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council so staff can prepare and refine

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a final recommendation for consideration

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at the concluding hearing. Tonight, the

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council will complete the remaining

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discussion from the September 14th

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hearing on air quality, greenhouse gas

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emissions, energy impacts, and

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mitigation measures. After that, the

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council will provide comments,

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questions, and direction on the land use

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plan and design standards. Uh, an ARA

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summarizing proposed changes,

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clarifications, and council requested

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modifications to the specific plan will

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be prepared and brought forward at the

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concluding hearing alongside staff's

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final recommendation. And to be clear,

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we are not asking the council to take

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any votes or formal action tonight.

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Instead, staff is seeking that clear

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direction on the topics covered in the

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presentation so we can return with a

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refined, complete, and accurate final

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package. Next slide.

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So, we have a updated look at the

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upcoming hearing dates and topics. We

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made changes after last meeting. Uh, as

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you can see, most of the meetings are

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now focused on one primary theme like

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water infrastructure, transportation or

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remediation. And we're happy to adjust

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the schedule further if council would

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like to. So, next slide. And we can

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actually go two slides forward.

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All right. At the last meeting, we

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walked through the key elements of the

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specific plan, its overall structure,

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and how it aligns with measure JJ, the

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planning commission's recommendations,

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and the plan's sustainability features.

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Staff also presented air quality and

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energy topics, which you did not get to

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discuss, and we'll continue that

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discussion here. Uh, so at this time, we

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will pause for council questions or

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comments, and then the council may open

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the floor for public comment on air

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quality, greenhouse gas emissions,

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energy, and impacts, and mitigation

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measures. Staff will track questions

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from the public and respond by the end

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of the meeting when possible. If more

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time or analysis is needing, we'll we'll

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bring back answers at a future hearing.

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» Thank you very much. Let's start with

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Council Member Okonnell.

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Questions for staff?

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» I have no questions at this time.

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» Council member Lens.

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» Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um

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All right. Well, I I have a decent

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amount of questions. So, um I'm going to

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start off with from the the packet from

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the last um hearing. So, it was on page

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nine

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impact greenhouse gas uh to regional GHG

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emissions less than significant. And the

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first line says the Bayland's 2200

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dwelling units, 6 and a half million

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square feet of commercial use, and

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500,000 square feet of hotel. So I just

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want to get clarification from staff. Is

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the and and I've seen it throughout the

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specific plan and also in the EIR

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is the is the current specific plan that

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is before us. Is it

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addressing the the total buildout, the

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2200 housing units and the 6.5 million

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square feet? Is that what this document

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is

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uh trying to um you know to deal with?

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The short answer is yes. That the

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specific plan does allow for

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the development of

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um that entire program. Yes.

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» All right. So, when we're looking at

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energy generation and greenhouse gas

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emissions and these other things, it's

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to accommodate 2200 housing units in 6

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and a half million square feet of

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commercial space.

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» That's correct.

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» Okay, great. Thank you. All right. So,

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um in that same paragraph,

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it says that um [clears throat]

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that these uses are already accounted

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for in the plan Bay Area 2050's regional

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growth projections because the project's

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transit oriented location design will

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reduce regional mobile source greenhouse

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gas emissions relative to that same

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growth occurring elsewhere in the

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region.

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Uh so is it saying that because other

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cities maybe aren't doing as um you know

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don't have as in a robust uh program of

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reducing emissions than say this plan is

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and therefore

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uh it's less than significant is am I

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getting that correct or if not if you

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could explain that a little bit better.

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» [clears throat]

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» Let's see.

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Oh, yeah. Uh so no I I think you

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captured it correctly that the um

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because of the location um because of

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the transit accessibility and because of

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the design features that have been

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incorporated

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um and required throughout the specific

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plan. The conclusion is that um

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development here would um reduce GHG

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emissions compared to a more a

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development that didn't have all of

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those features that didn't um meet those

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same performance criteria, didn't have

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the same sort of transit access. um and

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that didn't have the same mix of uses

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and that they would um a different type

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of development in a different location

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uh would be expected to increase the

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regional GHG uh at a much higher rate

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than this project. Um so by

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accommodating this level of development

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um this project helps um and putting it

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in such a strategic location where you

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get those benefits. um this project

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helps to um implement those GHG reducing

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goals.

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» Got it. And so based upon this

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particular

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view then mitigation measure me measures

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don't have to occur.

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» That's correct. This this impact was

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less than significant without additional

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mitigation measures. There are other

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mitigation measures incorporated

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um to promote um plan consistency which

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is a a separate impact category. Um but

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there are not um separate mitigation

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measures for the regional GHG emissions

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because that that was found less than

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significant.

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» Okay. And so based upon that regional

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viewpoint,

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uh it says here um because the project

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would result in a regional reduction in

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vehicle miles traveled in greenhouse gas

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emissions, the draft mitigation measure

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calling for mandatory offsets was

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removed from the final EIR. So offsets

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are mitigation measures

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if they were applied, right? I mean

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» In the in the that's correct. In the

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draft EIR, um there was a separate

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impact category with proposed mitigation

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measures uh which included offsets. In

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the responses to comments and the final

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EIR, um the offset requirement was

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removed as mitigation. It was found that

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that was not needed to have the project

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um result in a less than significant

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greenhouse gas emission because of the

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fact that the project would result in

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that regional reduction as you were

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talking about.

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» Got it. So then um also you know diving

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into the sustainability framework uh on

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page 18

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it says that all buildings should be

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designed for zerocarbon emissions by

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using best practices and passive design

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energy efficiency and renewable energy

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resources. Um I this could be a question

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for staff it could be a question for uh

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Stephanie. Is is that being required in

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the in the specific plan?

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» Well, the specific plan does have um

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individual requirements for projects to

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maximize um their on-site energy

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generating capabilities. There's

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mandatory solar, there's distributed

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battery facilities. Um the development

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standards that we'll be talking about in

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part two um definitely are designed to

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promote energy efficiency. So the

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specific plan does have a number of of

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requirements that help implement that um

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stated goal of the sustainability

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framework.

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» Yeah. So uh but here it says they they

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should be zero carbon. So um

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so to me that that that's stating that

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based upon that that we should be

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striving for the buildings to be zero

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carbon. So um yeah. So, can you kind of

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give some language uh how that might be

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worded in the specific plan

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» That

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» Well, the buildings are the buildings in

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the specific plan are zerocarbon. They

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all

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» Um because they would either produce

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energy or um draw from the uh renewable

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energy from the grid. That that's a zero

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uh a zerocarbon energy source. So the we

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think that that's consistent

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» And so would that show up in the lead

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certification

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to verify that?

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» Well, I the lead is a separate pro.

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There are also uh lead and other energy

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efficiency standards um layered on as

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requirements in the specific plan.

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» I I'm just Yeah, I'm just curious to

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know like how would we verify that a

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building is zero net or zero uh carbon

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emissions?

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Well, I mean any energy that it wasn't

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producing would be drawn from a

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zerocarbon the renewable energy program.

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Um so that kind of by default takes care

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of any any surplus with a zero energy

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source.

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» All right. Well, you know, u you know,

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if I could just get something maybe, you

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know, I'm missing it in the spec uh

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specific plan, but if uh staff can bring

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that forward, that'd be great,

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you know, at a future meeting. So, I'm

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I'm going to go into the

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» Sorry, before we move on, what what is

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it that you'd like us to bring forward?

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I just want to make sure.

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» So, I just want to know um how buildings

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are verified to be zero net emissions.

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Is there like some kind of certification

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that hey, this building is zero net

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emissions?

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» I mean, it's a it's a requirement

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um in the specific plan for all

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buildings to um be 100% use a 100%

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carbonfree energy source. So that would

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be verified compliance with that would

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be verified through the development

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review process. I'm not

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» Okay. So I guess the Cal Green standard

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is that I know for residential it's 2025

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2030 for commercial

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it's not 2030 yet.

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» Council member Lance I have a question

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that's kind of getting at something

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similar. I don't want to take away from

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your time.

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I think maybe something that I was

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thinking we might need site sitewide

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carbon budgeting monitoring reporting

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and then a provision for corrective

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action if there's something that comes

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out of those numbers like if you know

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residents don't opt in to the eco 100 or

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what I think we have a really high I

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know you have told us we have like one

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of the highest adoption. But I think

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maybe while we assume everything is

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going to be zero carbon, maybe there is

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some kind of ongoing reporting that the

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city could receive correct just to

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ensure that that is true

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for years to come. So is that does that

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maybe get what you're looking for?

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» So there are certain certifications that

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um a building can apply for. Um, if you

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look in the sustainability framework or

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just even go online, you know, a

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building has has qualified to be zero

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net emissions. And so,

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smaller buildings have an easier time of

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doing that. Larger buildings have a more

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difficult time. So, um,

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» So that's where I'm asking staff if

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there's some kind of verification.

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» Sure. Maybe for that. Um if you look at

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section 4.3 of the specific plan, the

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zerocarbon buildings requirements, um it

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does have a long list of mandatory steps

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that a project has to go through and if

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it doesn't comply with those standards,

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it won't be issued permits to develop.

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So it it needs to meet these zerocarbon

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building requirements in order to

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develop.

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» Okay. Um I'm going to go to the EIR. I

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want to go to chapter 8 for the final

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EIR. And so um in doing my research you

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know just trying to get a understanding

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of how

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you know you look at measure JJ says

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it's supposed to be designed to um be

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00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:29,440
energy neutral on an ongoing basis.

566
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:33,359
uh

567
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:35,200
you know we're looking at what 53% of um

568
00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:37,520
energy generation in the current

569
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,919
specific plan.

570
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:42,639
» Is that is that is that correct? 53%

571
00:34:39,919 --> 00:34:45,280
that's what they're expecting.

572
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:47,679
» Well, that was a very conservative

573
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,440
uh metric that was used in the EIR, I

574
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:52,560
think, as was reported the specific

575
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:55,280
plan. um assuming uh compliance with

576
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:57,839
more up-to-date building code standards

577
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:01,599
um we'd see a a much higher percentage

578
00:34:57,839 --> 00:35:02,560
of um of building energy use generated

579
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:06,560
on site.

580
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:09,359
» Okay. So um you know chapter 8 it talks

581
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:12,720
about uh alternatives. So in the SQA

582
00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:15,040
process uh you know every development

583
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:17,839
that goes through um this type of

584
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,839
process has to have alternatives and so

585
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:23,440
there are some no project alternatives

586
00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:26,320
and then there's four uh they call it

587
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,880
reduce density alternatives. So there's

588
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,920
an alternative number seven it's called

589
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:37,040
reduce maximum building heights.

590
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:39,520
So, in that particular um alternative,

591
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:44,000
it calls for 1,800 dwelling units, not

592
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:48,880
the 2200. It calls for 2.8 million ft²

593
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:51,440
of commercial, 350,000 for the hotel. Uh

594
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,839
that's on the west side and then 1.7 on

595
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,000
the east side for a total combined of

596
00:35:53,839 --> 00:35:59,040
4.5 million.

597
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:01,760
It also has uh lower building height. So

598
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:04,560
12story max for commercial, eight story

599
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,720
max uh for housing

600
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:09,440
unlike the you know the current plan's

601
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:13,520
got some 20 plus story uh buildings in

602
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:15,040
it. So I'm not going to go into all the

603
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:19,920
other things. I want to just go to the

604
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:22,400
the greenhouse gas emission section

605
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:26,280
and that's on 8146.

606
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,280
I'm just go there.

607
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:32,400
All right. So,

608
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:36,000
there's a section that that has been uh

609
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:39,839
that that was stried out and

610
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:42,400
you had explained, Eric, that um we're

611
00:36:39,839 --> 00:36:44,079
this particular plan is addressing a

612
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,200
regional

613
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:50,560
perspective on greenhouse gas emissions.

614
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:53,839
Whereas in the area that's that um is

615
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:57,359
stried out, it's a specific plan area

616
00:36:53,839 --> 00:37:00,079
greenhouse gas uh

617
00:36:57,359 --> 00:37:02,079
evaluation. And this but since that was

618
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:04,079
changed, that's why it it struck out,

619
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:07,200
but I'm still going to read it uh

620
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:09,920
because I think it's important. And so

621
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:12,079
let me just let me just state what it

622
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,920
says. Lowering building heights to

623
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:15,760
reduce Bayland's development by 400

624
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,040
dwelling units and two and a half. It

625
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,280
says two and a half, but it's really two

626
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,160
million square feet of commercial office

627
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:25,040
use would reduce the specific plan's net

628
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:27,839
increase of greenhouse gas emissions and

629
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,359
reduce the severity of its significant

630
00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:32,359
unavoidable

631
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:32,359
impacts.

632
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,320
So um

633
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:44,000
so you know so just you know looking at

634
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:48,079
that when I'm assuming there was a

635
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:50,560
greenhouse gas emission study

636
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:53,920
to come up with you know these numbers.

637
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:56,640
So um did it include this alternative in

638
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:59,359
that study?

639
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:01,760
you um probably want ESA to talk about

640
00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:05,359
it, but yeah, the EIR definitely

641
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:08,400
includes a quantified GHG emission study

642
00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:12,160
um that uh the climate scientists at ESA

643
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:14,240
prepared and they did compare um the

644
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:17,480
project emissions to emissions expected

645
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:17,480
with alternatives.

646
00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:24,160
So, I don't know if if yes, Bri I think

647
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:27,040
we have um Brian Schustster from ESA is

648
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:29,520
um available online and he can speak to

649
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:32,960
exactly what was quantified and modeled

650
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:36,960
if that's um what you're asking.

651
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:41,040
Yeah, I just um

652
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:43,839
you know looking at um before I I make a

653
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,920
request I'm I'm I'm going to uh go to

654
00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:52,040
the other page

655
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:52,040
and it's under air quality. So um

656
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,920
okay. So,

657
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:08,160
and you know, Stephanie, maybe you can

658
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:10,079
answer this in regards to how um dirt is

659
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,760
going from the east side to the west

660
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:14,640
side.

661
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,320
What's your um plan for for doing that?

662
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,960
Is it going to be the conveyor belt or

663
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,960
is it going to be trucks?

664
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,440
Good evening, honorable mayor, council

665
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:32,720
member Lince. the what is studied in the

666
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:35,680
EIR is uh both um the preference in the

667
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:39,200
EIR and quite honestly our preference is

668
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:41,839
to find a way to go over the track and

669
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,839
not have to go through the streets. Um

670
00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:47,040
and we have been in discussions with Cal

671
00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:49,280
Train about how to do that. We've talked

672
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,599
about going over the track. We've talked

673
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,599
about going under the tracks. we've

674
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:56,720
talked about just going at grade across

675
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:58,320
the tracks and those are still ongoing

676
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:04,000
conversations

677
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:07,280
» But um yeah again both were both were

678
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:09,200
studied in the EIR both are still on the

679
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,880
table our preference and the ER's

680
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,680
preference is to uh try to avoid using

681
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,440
the streets

682
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,240
» Yeah that makes more sense yeah know

683
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,320
absolutely

684
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:22,880
» Yeah but we have um we have to work that

685
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:26,160
through with cow train.

686
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:29,440
» Yes. Okay. Thank you for that. So, um,

687
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:33,599
so based on the potential of having

688
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,640
these trucks use public streets,

689
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:38,000
you know, that's a lot of truck

690
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,920
emissions, a lot of uh a lot of trips.

691
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:44,720
Um,

692
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:48,960
is was that studied in the um emissions

693
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:51,119
um evaluation all those trucks?

694
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,839
Um, I know Brian, can you talk about

695
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:58,640
what uh air quality modeling was done

696
00:40:53,839 --> 00:40:59,920
for truck trips during construction?

697
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,000
» Uh, yeah, happy to answer that. Hey

698
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:04,480
everyone, Brian Schustster,

699
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,680
quality, climate, and energy.

700
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:10,800
So the air quality analysis in the ER

701
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:13,040
which includes both an estimate of mass

702
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:16,800
criteria pollutant emissions like ozone

703
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:20,160
precursors and dust as well as

704
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:24,240
particulates as well as um health risks.

705
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:26,800
So exposure of people to those emissions

706
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,880
during both construction and operation.

707
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,920
The construction analysis for both of

708
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:34,319
those looked at on-road diesel trucks

709
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,079
moving all of that soil, all two and a

710
00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:39,520
half million cubic yards from east to

711
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:41,920
west um and not using the conveyor. And

712
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:44,480
that was part of the contributing factor

713
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,400
to um air quality impact or impact air

714
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,400
quality one being significant and

715
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,953
unavoidable. And to help mitigate that

716
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,800
impact where AQ1 is mass emissions,

717
00:41:51,953 --> 00:41:55,760
[clears throat]

718
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:58,079
uh the there's a mitigation measure AQ1F

719
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,640
which requires best available control

720
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:02,880
technology for soil movement. That could

721
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:05,599
include an all-electric conveyor. It

722
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,200
could include zero NOx emissions trucks.

723
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:09,200
It could include some combination of

724
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:12,720
those things or some other technology

725
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:15,359
that might uh enable construction to

726
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:17,280
occur um with the lowest emissions

727
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:19,359
possible of moving that soil. So yes,

728
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,760
short answer, yes. We analyzed in the

729
00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:22,560
air quality section diesel trucks moving

730
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,920
that soil.

731
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,560
» All right. So how many trucks were we

732
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,079
looking at if if all of it had to be

733
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,160
moved

734
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:32,564
uh with a truck on

735
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,584
» On streets?

736
00:42:32,564 --> 00:42:34,584
[clears throat]

737
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,760
» Um give me can you give me like one

738
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,760
minute?

739
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,760
» Oh yeah yeah yeah sure. No, no problem.

740
00:42:54,160 --> 00:43:01,359
Isn't it something like 640 trucks a

741
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:04,400
day? I mean round trips a day. So I

742
00:43:01,359 --> 00:43:05,200
don't know how many round trips you do.

743
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,079
» I think

744
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:10,240
» How many truck trucks that equates to,

745
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:12,000
but I think the amount of round trips is

746
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:13,760
640.

747
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,119
» Yeah, that's correct. So it's on average

748
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:21,920
the 2.5 is about 640 round trips per day

749
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:23,839
during the almost threeyear I believe

750
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,319
soil movement activity.

751
00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:28,560
» All right peak uh so peak trucking hall

752
00:43:26,319 --> 00:43:29,920
peak truck peak truck activity is 640

753
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,280
round trips per day. That's not an

754
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,000
average that's peak.

755
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,079
» But the route is like 3.6 miles or 3.8

756
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,920
miles, right? So how many trips would a

757
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:40,079
truck do a day? Then you could figure

758
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:43,520
out how many trucks conceivably you're

759
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:45,599
doing you're having each day.

760
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,240
Yeah, that that calculation is pretty

761
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:47,920
straightforward.

762
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:51,119
» Yeah. So, I don't have a calculator, but

763
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:53,599
I mean like is it in the

764
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:56,000
I don't know hundreds of thousands of

765
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:57,359
truck trips just kind of off the top of

766
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,280
my head. I mean, if it's that many and

767
00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:05,240
you're talking about three years,

768
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,240
» 640* 365

769
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:14,240
» Three. Yeah. So, um, as a

770
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:15,839
» It's over a 100,000 trucks. 100. It's

771
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:18,000
it's about

772
00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:21,440
» A 20 cubic yard truck, 2 and a half

773
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:23,040
million cubic yards. It's 125,000.

774
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,560
Um,

775
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,520
» As a oneway trip,

776
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:30,640
» If I can add a question, um, was that

777
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:34,480
air quality analysis based on the dirt

778
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:36,800
only having to be moved once? Because

779
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:40,400
won't the dirt some of it need to be

780
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:43,359
moved twice to achieve final grade on

781
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:45,359
both sides?

782
00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:48,680
And was that

783
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:48,680
looked at?

784
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:58,720
» I believe the analysis looked at moving

785
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,319
a one-time movement of dirt from the

786
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:04,079
east to the west side and not back

787
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:06,880
again. But I can double check that.

788
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:12,200
But won't it have to be moved back again

789
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:12,200
some of it to achieve a cap?

790
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,760
» I might defer to Michael if he's here on

791
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,440
the cap

792
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,560
» Because it's not engineered on the other

793
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,040
side yet.

794
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,640
» Yeah.

795
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,680
» I don't I I don't know the answer to

796
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,079
that question. I'm sorry.

797
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,480
» Okay.

798
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:30,640
» Developers shaking their head no. So, do

799
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,880
you want to

800
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:37,560
should we hear what they

801
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,560
» Would you like to respond to that?

802
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:46,160
» Good evening, uh, council members. I'm

803
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:48,160
James Tasta with BKF. I've been

804
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,079
supporting the balance project and

805
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,400
balance development, Inc.

806
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:56,240
uh for in terms of the earthwork,

807
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:58,400
earthwork will moved once from the the

808
00:45:56,240 --> 00:46:01,040
the east side of the project to the west

809
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:03,839
side and then it will be placed from

810
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,599
both to achieve the environmental uh

811
00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:08,240
capping as well as some of the

812
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:10,079
geotechnical searchcharge programs. It

813
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:11,839
will not be then moved back to the east

814
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:15,040
side after that.

815
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:18,960
» Okay. So, um, you know, in regards to

816
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:20,800
the trucks, so I mean, obviously, is

817
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,160
this going to take a few years to get to

818
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:27,712
that point where you're starting to move

819
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:29,599
dirt? More trucks will be electric. Um,

820
00:46:27,712 --> 00:46:31,839
[clears throat]

821
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:33,520
can we make a requirement in the

822
00:46:31,839 --> 00:46:38,040
specific plan that the trucks that are

823
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:38,040
used be electric instead of diesel?

824
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:46,240
That's a question for staff. Is that

825
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:48,560
something that that we can put in

826
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:51,920
» If if that's feasible and commercially

827
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:54,079
available? Um but yeah, I don't I don't

828
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,839
know that there's

829
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:58,240
um

830
00:46:55,839 --> 00:47:00,720
that we have a a robust enough

831
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:03,920
technology to say that we can definitely

832
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:07,599
do that today. But we I certainly see

833
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:10,960
language like that in other plans that

834
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:13,839
uh qualify to the extent yeah feasible

835
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,359
» Doing 100,000 truck trips um

836
00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:17,040
» You know and it's going by central

837
00:47:15,359 --> 00:47:21,359
Brisbane

838
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:22,960
um and up in Northeast Ridge. Um yeah, I

839
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:25,520
think that would be appropriate.

840
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:28,079
» Brian, were you about to say something?

841
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:30,240
Yeah, I was just going to add that the

842
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:33,599
the EIR includes a mitigation measure

843
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:35,280
which is mitigation measure 1 AQ1F which

844
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:37,040
requires best available control

845
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,599
technology at the time of construction

846
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:42,000
and that means the lowest available the

847
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:43,520
lowest emitting trucks commercially

848
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,720
available

849
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:48,079
uh if you can if they're if they're

850
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:50,480
available commercially and you can buy

851
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:52,560
them and operate them you the applicant

852
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,960
must use those trucks

853
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,599
» Okay

854
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:59,119
» Or they must fill the conveyor or some

855
00:47:55,599 --> 00:48:01,200
combination of the two to achieve um the

856
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:04,480
lowest NOx the lowest criteria plume

857
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,920
emissions from material movement.

858
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,000
» All right. So Brian, so what you're

859
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:11,280
saying is that if that truck say it does

860
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:14,480
exist, I'm assuming that it does today.

861
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:16,079
But say if it does exist then that those

862
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,599
would be the trucks that would have to

863
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:19,839
be used.

864
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:20,800
» Yes. Right. So the trucks would have to

865
00:48:19,839 --> 00:48:22,480
meet the requirements of the

866
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,000
construction contractor for moving soil.

867
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,920
There are heavy duty zero emission

868
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,400
trucks available now. They would have to

869
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,960
be available in the quantity, you know,

870
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:35,280
with the with the in the quantity needed

871
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:37,359
for these activities and have the

872
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,960
capacity to basically they have to

873
00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:41,119
operate in the way that construction

874
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,480
needs to occur. But if those conditions

875
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:43,839
are met and those trucks are available,

876
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,760
then yes, the mitigation measure would

877
00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:47,680
require that or some combination of

878
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,880
additional technology.

879
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,079
» Okay. Um,

880
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,079
» So sorry.

881
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:54,160
» Yeah. Yeah. I have no problem people

882
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:56,960
jumping in. So

883
00:48:54,160 --> 00:49:02,559
» So because that's a mitigation measure

884
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:06,800
in the EIR, is that um

885
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:10,400
is that enough or should we include that

886
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:12,000
language like whatever is the lowest

887
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,240
emitting

888
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,720
trucks available? Should we expressly

889
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:19,839
state that in this specific plan? Well,

890
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:22,240
if you end up adopting certifying the

891
00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:24,880
EIR and adopting the mitigation

892
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:26,720
monitoring reporting program, all of the

893
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,480
mitigation measures would become

894
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:30,640
requirements of the plan. And so it

895
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,440
would have you don't need to then repeat

896
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,559
them. Yeah.

897
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,079
» In the specific plan.

898
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:34,960
» That's what I assume, but I just it's

899
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:36,319
important to

900
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,200
» Yeah. You know, to me, I think it's

901
00:49:36,319 --> 00:49:41,119
always better to just repeat

902
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,680
just everyone understands. You know,

903
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:46,319
these uh these EIR documents are pretty

904
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,960
darn thick. I mean, the the specific

905
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:49,839
plan is pretty thick, too, but uh not as

906
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,240
» It's not five volumes. [laughter]

907
00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:54,400
» It's not five volumes. So, if the public

908
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:55,839
wants to see it, it's a lot easier to

909
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,760
find it. So,

910
00:49:55,839 --> 00:50:01,920
» So is is the council's

911
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,599
thought that all of the mitigation

912
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,520
measures should be included as

913
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:06,800
standalone policies in the specific

914
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,200
plan? Is that

915
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,800
» I I'm just talking about this one here.

916
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,720
So, I mean, that's just direct. I mean,

917
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,960
we can bring it back, right? I mean,

918
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:16,319
okay. Just want to make sure that we're

919
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:20,480
tracking the conversation.

920
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:24,960
» Yeah, exactly. So, um,

921
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:27,280
so I'm go to page, uh, 8 158. It's, uh,

922
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,200
impact GHG1.

923
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,680
So, it's it's struck out here. It says,

924
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,599
the Bayand specific plan would cause an

925
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,760
increase in total greenhouse gas

926
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:37,119
emissions generated within the Bayand.

927
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,040
Lowering building height to reduce

928
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:40,480
Bayland's development by 400 dwelling

929
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,440
units and 2 million square ft of

930
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,520
commercial office would reduce the

931
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:50,160
specific plans and increase greenhouse

932
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:53,119
gas emissions. And so, um,

933
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:57,839
what I would like for us to evaluate

934
00:50:53,119 --> 00:51:00,480
when we have our discussions is, uh,

935
00:50:57,839 --> 00:51:04,000
doing a specific plan area greenhouse

936
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:07,760
gas emissions, um, position as opposed

937
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:11,520
to a regional one.

938
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:14,960
So um then moving on to energy resources

939
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:17,359
and this is still within um this

940
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,720
particular um part of

941
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:19,920
» Council member Lent. Can I ask a

942
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:20,480
clarifying question to that statement?

943
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,720
» Absolutely.

944
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:25,599
» So you want to put into the final

945
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:28,640
specific plan uh something very specific

946
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:31,359
to the 680 acre bay project around

947
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,599
greenhouse gas emission. So what I'm

948
00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:35,280
requesting is that when the council has

949
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:38,160
its deliberations, this is one of the

950
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:40,559
items that comes back to the council and

951
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:43,200
we can decide whether or not we want to

952
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:45,280
do the regional perspective or we want

953
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,559
to do the site perspective.

954
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,520
» Okay. Yeah. Thank you.

955
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:51,119
» Okay. So um moving on to the energy

956
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,680
resources.

957
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:55,920
Uh it says here by reducing the total

958
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,800
number of dwelling units and commercial

959
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:01,119
square footage within the bailands the

960
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,960
specific plan's 55 acre solar field

961
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:06,400
would reduce overall energy use and

962
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:08,960
generate a greater proportion of the

963
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:11,280
specific plans on-site energy demand

964
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:16,000
within the bailands.

965
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:18,880
So I again I know we talked about you

966
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:21,200
know trying to be energy self-sufficient

967
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:24,480
that's a very tall order. Uh of course

968
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:27,119
if you have a smaller footprint and

969
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:31,680
that's less energy for that footprint

970
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:35,920
and you have a 55 acre solar farm that

971
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:38,559
um now can provide energy to

972
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:42,559
um

973
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:44,400
you know in greater proportions. So

974
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:47,040
it also goes on to say in addition to

975
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:49,760
the energy efficient features of the

976
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,280
specific plan which is this alternative.

977
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,960
This alternative would generate a

978
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:56,880
greater proportion of energy if it

979
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:59,359
consume it consumes as well as meet tier

980
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:02,480
2 Cal green standards.

981
00:52:59,359 --> 00:53:04,480
So, um just just putting that out there

982
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:07,680
in in the public record and and and

983
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:10,319
Stephanie, I know when we talked um last

984
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:12,480
time you said that the the solar farm

985
00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:15,119
was going to be in the second phase, but

986
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:17,920
when I read your specific plan, it said

987
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:19,359
it was going to be in the first phase of

988
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,880
development. It was going to be the west

989
00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:22,160
side when the west side gets developed

990
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:26,559
that is going to happen at the same

991
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:29,040
time. So, just kind of clarifying that

992
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:31,280
for the record, unless you've changed

993
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:34,440
your mind, but it's going to be in the

994
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,440
first phase.

995
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,119
Okay. Oh, did you want to respond to

996
00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:43,520
that? I mean, that that's what that's

997
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:45,200
what I read. And it's also in it's in

998
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,640
your specific plan that you had

999
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,920
submitted and then it's also in this

1000
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,359
one, too.

1001
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,559
» Yes. I think you're referring to our

1002
00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:55,520
phasing table. And if you look at it

1003
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:58,000
carefully, council member, it is the it

1004
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,760
is sort of sandwiched in between

1005
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,160
finishing the westside development and

1006
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,920
starting the east side development. So

1007
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:07,119
technically, I think it falls into the

1008
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:09,599
table of phase one, but it's at the end

1009
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:11,280
of the full development of phase one as

1010
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:14,160
we've moved all the dirt and the

1011
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:18,480
landfill has been closed or will be

1012
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:21,280
closed in in phases. Then then the solar

1013
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:23,040
farm goes in. So it's a little I know

1014
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,680
we're mixing with a lot of terms here

1015
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:28,079
but we're mixing it but yeah it is not

1016
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,839
the solar farm is not on day one.

1017
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:31,200
» Oh no we're not saying that it's during

1018
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:32,880
that that yeah

1019
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,000
» But it's during the transition I think

1020
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,480
what you're referring to when you said

1021
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,400
we said it was in phase one it was in

1022
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,960
the transition

1023
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,720
period between finishing phase one and

1024
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,440
moving on to the phase two development

1025
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:47,440
on the the commercial development on the

1026
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:50,160
east side. What can I just read it to

1027
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,800
you and then then maybe that's this is

1028
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,720
it from your plan. So it says u major

1029
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:57,680
site infrastructures such as the solar

1030
00:54:54,720 --> 00:55:00,000
field, water recycling facility and

1031
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:04,319
constructed wetlands

1032
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,559
uh located within the

1033
00:55:04,319 --> 00:55:08,480
uh eastern part of the site are also

1034
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:10,400
required to be completed concurrently

1035
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:14,319
with west.

1036
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:17,119
» Yeah. um side uh development as these

1037
00:55:14,319 --> 00:55:19,200
provide the sustainable water

1038
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:20,880
» Uh needed storm water treatment, recycle

1039
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,880
water and renewable energy generation

1040
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,440
infrastructure for the development. So

1041
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,319
» Yeah. So that's okay.

1042
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,319
» So [laughter]

1043
00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:30,160
yeah, we need to do the development to

1044
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:32,319
get the water for our recycling

1045
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,359
facility, right? You to recycle water,

1046
00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:34,000
you need that makes sense. You need

1047
00:55:33,359 --> 00:55:36,160
water.

1048
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,400
» You need a source. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And

1049
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:41,359
in order for us to build out the solar

1050
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:43,280
farm, that dirt has to be moved. So when

1051
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:47,280
we talked about it in our plan, it was

1052
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:50,000
really sort of at the end of phase one

1053
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,839
» Um as part as we moved into the the

1054
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,880
second phase on the the construction on

1055
00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:55,520
the on the landfill the east side. Yeah.

1056
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,319
» Okay.

1057
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,559
» Sorry if that confused

1058
00:55:58,319 --> 00:55:59,520
and

1059
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:00,559
» Yeah. I just wanted to get

1060
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,280
clarification.

1061
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:03,680
» Yeah.

1062
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,520
» Okay. Thank you. All right. Um that

1063
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:08,000
that's it for now, Madame Mayor. Okay,

1064
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:12,119
very good.

1065
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,119
Uh, Council Member Kern,

1066
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:17,760
» Thank you so much. Um, can I go back to

1067
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:20,799
Council Member Okonnell and her question

1068
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:23,200
about moving the dirt more than once?

1069
00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:25,040
Um, it's got me over here thinking, uh,

1070
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,480
Council Member Okonnell, what was the

1071
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:29,480
reason that you asked that question

1072
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,480
specifically?

1073
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,799
it.

1074
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:38,400
» I think that there is

1075
00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:42,079
an excess of dirt on the east side for

1076
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:45,760
what the project needs. I think to

1077
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:48,880
reasonably cap that project, they are

1078
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:53,440
going to need to take it below grade to

1079
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:54,880
cap the um east side.

1080
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:58,240
Meanwhile, they are going to have to

1081
00:56:54,880 --> 00:57:00,240
move that dirt.

1082
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:02,240
Even if they're done with the west side,

1083
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:05,440
the east side still is going to be need

1084
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:08,160
to be excavated and the dirt moved on

1085
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:12,319
the east side to another section to be

1086
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:15,839
put back after they do the title 7

1087
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:18,240
closure. So that dirt is not going to be

1088
00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:22,319
moved just once.

1089
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:26,960
That dirt is going to be moved around

1090
00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:29,839
at least one more time on the east side.

1091
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:33,359
Not all of it, but all the remaining and

1092
00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:36,160
the overfill that they've got is going

1093
00:57:33,359 --> 00:57:40,000
to be moved more than once

1094
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:42,079
in my opinion. And I could be wrong,

1095
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,839
but if you play with a pile of sand,

1096
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:45,359
that's what you're going to get.

1097
00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:46,799
» So, I guess my question Thank you for

1098
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:48,000
that. I I kind of thought that's where

1099
00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:51,760
you were going. So I guess my question

1100
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:54,319
is in that case, can't additional dirt

1101
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:57,280
or cover just be brought in at that

1102
00:57:54,319 --> 00:58:00,000
point for the east side? Does it need to

1103
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:02,079
be moved again?

1104
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,920
It's not engineered.

1105
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:05,520
» So it does have to be moved. It needs to

1106
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,920
be removed back down to ground level

1107
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:11,520
from what? Or to fill level to be

1108
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:13,520
properly capped and engineered or it's

1109
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,839
useless

1110
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:20,000
useless land.

1111
00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:21,680
I'd love for the developer to

1112
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,760
» Yeah, [laughter] please step up. Thank

1113
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,680
you.

1114
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,280
» Thank you again, council members. I

1115
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:30,480
wanted to clarify. You make some very

1116
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:31,839
good points. So, the dirt will be moved

1117
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,720
Oh, excuse me.

1118
00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:35,280
» You can pull it up.

1119
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:39,440
» Okay. My apologies. The the dirt will be

1120
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:42,000
moved once from the east east side to

1121
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:45,280
the west side. that 2.5 million to

1122
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:47,760
provide the environmental um cap as well

1123
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:50,079
as some of the geotechnical mitigations.

1124
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:52,400
It will not be moved back from the west

1125
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:54,799
side to the east side. The existing dirt

1126
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:57,760
on the east side will be moved around

1127
00:58:54,799 --> 00:59:00,240
within the east side as the cap is

1128
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:02,799
provided for the title 27 closure of the

1129
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:06,000
landfill. But there we won't have a need

1130
00:59:02,799 --> 00:59:07,920
to import more soil to to proceed with

1131
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,720
that process. And is it correct you have

1132
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:13,520
an excess of soil for that project?

1133
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:16,799
» This there's no offhaul contemplated.

1134
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:19,359
The soil is currently used in terms of

1135
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:21,599
um setting the pad grades within the

1136
00:59:19,359 --> 00:59:24,319
east side of the project based on what

1137
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:26,240
soil it remains. It will be engineered

1138
00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:28,400
per the geotechnical engineers

1139
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:30,160
requirements as part of the the capping

1140
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:33,160
process and creating the development

1141
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,160
pads.

1142
00:59:33,839 --> 00:59:37,440
» Thank you.

1143
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,440
» Sure.

1144
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,799
Thank you for that answer and thank you

1145
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:46,319
for the question, Council Member Bonno.

1146
00:59:42,799 --> 00:59:50,160
Um my only other question is in March of

1147
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:53,200
25 um ESA reported that the or they

1148
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:56,319
stated that the project was not going to

1149
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:59,280
be energy neutral. And then in August of

1150
00:59:56,319 --> 01:00:01,440
26, um I just need a reminder on this.

1151
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:04,559
Something changed and they said that it

1152
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:06,240
was acceptable to buy uh additional uh

1153
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:07,760
energy from the grid that we weren't

1154
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,280
going to be generating on site. I'm just

1155
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,040
wondering if you can clarify what

1156
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:14,079
changed in that time period.

1157
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:17,280
» Well, the the that option was always

1158
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:20,079
available. I think the what changed was

1159
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:23,680
that context in which the policies were

1160
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:28,400
being evaluated. the calculations that

1161
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:30,720
were reported in the EIR were done um

1162
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:34,400
again to be using very conservative

1163
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:36,720
assumptions and to analyze whether or

1164
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,480
not the way energy was being used would

1165
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,160
create a physical impact to the

1166
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:44,400
environment, which is a slightly

1167
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:46,319
different question than um does council

1168
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:49,359
have the discretion to interpret the

1169
01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:51,280
plan to be consistent with measure JJ?

1170
01:00:49,359 --> 01:00:52,799
And in response to questions from the

1171
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:56,880
planning commission who were

1172
01:00:52,799 --> 01:01:00,480
interrogating the same topic, um ESA

1173
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:02,240
worked on an analysis to help explain,

1174
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:05,119
you know, the tools that the decision

1175
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:07,680
makers could use to find the project

1176
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:10,240
consistent um based on the way it was

1177
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:13,040
using energy, uh the balanced goals of

1178
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:16,680
measure JJ and the um kind of intent

1179
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,680
behind the framework.

1180
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,119
» Thank you. No more questions at this

1181
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:21,280
time.

1182
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:22,160
» Council member, I'm sorry, Mayor Prom

1183
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,920
Davis.

1184
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,760
» It's It's okay. You can call me council

1185
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,680
member. Um

1186
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,480
well, Council Member Lent asked several

1187
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:34,799
of my questions in one form or another.

1188
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:37,839
So, I do have two left and first one is

1189
01:01:34,799 --> 01:01:40,319
that the final EI identifies air

1190
01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:42,799
quality-1 AQ-1

1191
01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:44,559
as significant and unavoidable. And I'd

1192
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:47,280
just love to know from staff if you

1193
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:48,880
could explain what pollutants

1194
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,839
specifically are driving this

1195
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:53,520
significant and unavoidable conclusion.

1196
01:01:51,839 --> 01:01:56,160
» Yeah. And for that we'll ask Brian to

1197
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:58,160
rejoin and he will walk us through that.

1198
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:00,960
» Do you want me to go to my next one

1199
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:03,599
while we're waiting for him or

1200
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:05,440
» Let's see. Um is Brian on? Are you ready

1201
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:05,760
to answer that or or should we come back

1202
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:06,480
to you?

1203
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,200
» Oh, there he is.

1204
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:11,359
» He's there.

1205
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:14,359
» Yeah, I can answer that. Give me one sec

1206
01:02:11,359 --> 01:02:14,359
here.

1207
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,680
» It was AQ-1

1208
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,079
finally.

1209
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:25,920
» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Got

1210
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:28,960
it. I just want to get this uh

1211
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:31,960
fully right here. So, all right. After

1212
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,960
mitigation,

1213
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:37,680
pollutants that exceed thresholds

1214
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:41,440
include

1215
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:44,400
Okay. So the AQ1 evaluated construction

1216
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,839
rag NOX PM10 and PM2.5 those are

1217
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,799
different size particulates and ozone

1218
01:02:45,839 --> 01:02:53,119
precursors for construction throughout

1219
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:54,559
the buildout as well as operations and

1220
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:57,680
combined construction and operations

1221
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:59,440
when those would overlap

1222
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,440
with mitigation [clears throat]

1223
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:03,280
all four pollutants would still exceed

1224
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,880
the significance threshold set by the

1225
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:08,640
air district. So that's ROG, NOX, PM10,

1226
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:12,160
and PM2.5.

1227
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:14,559
» Okay. And just to follow up, um how much

1228
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:17,839
of the significant air quality impacts

1229
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:19,359
are associated with construction and how

1230
01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:20,720
much are associated with the final

1231
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:23,628
development? And I don't know how you

1232
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:24,240
quantify that by a percentage or

1233
01:03:23,628 --> 01:03:26,880
[snorts]

1234
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:29,839
» Just give me some like thing I can

1235
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:32,079
visualize.

1236
01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:37,039
» Sure. Let's see here how best to do

1237
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:38,319
this. the the for construction only

1238
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:42,000
the only pollutant that exceeds

1239
01:03:38,319 --> 01:03:44,240
thresholds is NOx so oxides of nitrogen

1240
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:47,440
uh ROG PM10 and PM2.5 are well below

1241
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:50,400
thresholds whereas for operations for

1242
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:54,240
operations alone all four pollutants

1243
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:57,599
exceed the threshold so um construction

1244
01:03:54,240 --> 01:04:00,240
emissions are for ROG for ROG PM10 and

1245
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:02,559
PM2.5 several orders of magnitude below

1246
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:05,680
operations we're talking less le than

1247
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:09,119
one pounds per day versus

1248
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:12,799
» Um between 60 and between 80 and 300

1249
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:15,119
pounds per day. And for NOx, it's about

1250
01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:17,039
about the same. So construction NOX is

1251
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:19,599
about the same as operation NOX. Other

1252
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:22,640
pollutants are several hundred times

1253
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:24,400
higher for operations than construction.

1254
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:26,319
» Thank you.

1255
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,359
That's the extent of my questions on air

1256
01:04:26,319 --> 01:04:29,039
quality.

1257
01:04:27,359 --> 01:04:31,599
» Okay.

1258
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:33,440
I had some GHD ones, but

1259
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:36,640
» After you've asked yours, I do have a

1260
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,200
couple questions now. You want me to go

1261
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,954
first?

1262
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,680
» Sure.

1263
01:04:38,954 --> 01:04:41,680
[clears throat]

1264
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:45,599
So when it came to the comment that

1265
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:48,799
council member Lent made on whether we

1266
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:51,760
have a regional greenhouse gas analysis

1267
01:04:48,799 --> 01:04:53,440
versus a sightsp specific or project

1268
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:56,640
analysis.

1269
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:58,960
It basically is that if the development

1270
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:02,720
wasn't happening here, it'd be somewhere

1271
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:05,760
else. So there's no impacts to our

1272
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:08,480
project because we're absorbing the rest

1273
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:11,520
of the region's impacts. And I think

1274
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:14,880
that's a way to look at it where the the

1275
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:18,240
request from council member Lance is to

1276
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:19,839
have the impacts for our site fully

1277
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:23,680
disclosed

1278
01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:26,160
and declared that they are significant

1279
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:28,319
compared to saying well if they were

1280
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:30,480
happening in Pleasanton they'd be more

1281
01:05:28,319 --> 01:05:33,119
so ours aren't significant when they

1282
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:36,480
still are. And so that's a difference of

1283
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:38,720
opinion on how we look at it. And is it

1284
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:42,079
is that the only way we are legally

1285
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:46,799
allowed to look at impacts or is that a

1286
01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:51,200
choice that our consultants or we as a

1287
01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:55,440
city decided to look at the impacts?

1288
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:57,920
» Well, the the city has discretion to

1289
01:05:55,440 --> 01:06:00,880
um define thresholds as long as there's

1290
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:04,640
a a basis and evidence. Um so it is it

1291
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:07,520
is a city decision uh within reason. um

1292
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:10,319
greenhouse gas emissions are

1293
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:14,160
not just a regional but a a global

1294
01:06:10,319 --> 01:06:18,559
impact. So um the standard way to

1295
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:21,119
analyze that is through not a a

1296
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:26,160
sightspecific analysis but through a

1297
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:28,319
broader analysis. Um the um AARB, the

1298
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:31,039
California ER resources board, the

1299
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:33,520
expert state agency that's charged with

1300
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:38,000
um oversight of this, provides guidance

1301
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:40,799
and direction on how to evaluate um GHG

1302
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:42,559
impact. And it was in part due to the

1303
01:06:40,799 --> 01:06:46,079
airboard's

1304
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:48,960
comments that the city uh chose to focus

1305
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:52,240
on a a regional threshold in the EIR

1306
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:54,400
rather than um a sightsp specific EIR.

1307
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:56,079
Um but ultimately it is it is the city's

1308
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:59,119
decision.

1309
01:06:56,079 --> 01:07:01,520
quickly is is it termed it's something

1310
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:04,640
termed in the EI like if not here then

1311
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:07,200
there if not here or somewhere else like

1312
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:10,960
do you remind us what it's how it's

1313
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:14,200
referred to something like little phrase

1314
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,200
like that

1315
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:19,839
» That's the phrase I just used but

1316
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:23,839
» But it's like a it's like a cute little

1317
01:07:19,839 --> 01:07:26,480
if not here then there or

1318
01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:28,079
» There the yes Council member Davis, the

1319
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,760
the citation is from the Center of

1320
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:32,079
Biological Diversity versus Department

1321
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,520
of Fish and Wildlife, and it's um

1322
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:34,400
whether here or there,

1323
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,799
» Whether here,

1324
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,640
» Emissions associated with such

1325
01:07:36,799 --> 01:07:40,160
population growth will occur whether

1326
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,319
here or there.

1327
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,760
» That's the term. One just sorry, one

1328
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:46,960
more quick thing I wanted to add for

1329
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:49,920
context. The ER also includes impact

1330
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:52,880
GHD3, which we haven't talked about. And

1331
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:55,200
GHD3 does evaluate the project's

1332
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:58,799
features and emissions at the project

1333
01:07:55,200 --> 01:08:00,400
site in isolation. So GHD3 uses the Bay

1334
01:07:58,799 --> 01:08:02,079
Area Air District's greenhouse gas

1335
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:04,559
thresholds which are pro project

1336
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:07,760
specific thresholds and it looks at

1337
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:09,680
consistency with carbs 2022 scoping plan

1338
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:11,520
and the scoping plan measures and

1339
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,839
attributes that apply to land use

1340
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:18,000
development projects like um the bay

1341
01:08:13,839 --> 01:08:22,880
lands. So we also have GHD2.

1342
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:26,560
So, if I may, um,

1343
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:30,799
so you talked about having the dust and

1344
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:34,560
particulate and the NOX as being

1345
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:37,199
significant and unavoidable in during

1346
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:40,799
the entire buildout.

1347
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:43,440
How long do we expect the

1348
01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:46,480
that buildout to take?

1349
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:50,640
And is it reasonable to have that effect

1350
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:52,400
on residentials that are occupied

1351
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,400
when it's going to be the commercial and

1352
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:58,880
the landfill h being cleaned up and

1353
01:08:54,400 --> 01:09:04,080
having those significant impacts for 5

1354
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:06,560
10 20 50 years. So what what time frame

1355
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:09,679
would it be that that they would be

1356
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:13,359
considered significant as a residential

1357
01:09:09,679 --> 01:09:16,560
project that's next to an ongoing

1358
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:19,799
construction zone? Is there any metric

1359
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,799
for that?

1360
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:29,120
» I can help answer that. One moment.

1361
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:30,799
So impact AQ1 which is regional criteria

1362
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:33,440
plume emissions. So this is mass

1363
01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:35,920
emissions. So how many pounds or tons of

1364
01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:37,520
pollutants are being emitted? Uh that

1365
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:40,239
evaluation looked at all years of

1366
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:44,719
construction, phase one operations and

1367
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:47,359
full buildout operations. Uh so in ER we

1368
01:09:44,719 --> 01:09:49,440
looked at construction through from 2026

1369
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:52,799
through 2033.

1370
01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:54,719
Um and then full buildout uh phase one

1371
01:09:52,799 --> 01:09:56,880
initial phase two and full buildout. And

1372
01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:58,480
then full buildout rep represents annual

1373
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:02,640
emissions

1374
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:04,480
as the project is operational at the

1375
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,800
year that it's built out. And so we

1376
01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:09,280
didn't look at like future years. Future

1377
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:11,199
years would be likely lower than that

1378
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:13,280
level because vehicles continue to get

1379
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:15,840
more efficient and technology improves

1380
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:18,080
and energy uh renewal, you know, all of

1381
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,840
that stuff gets better. Uh but to your

1382
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:22,719
question about expos like basically like

1383
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:25,440
residents uh ex potentially exposed to

1384
01:10:22,719 --> 01:10:27,920
those pollutants during construction, we

1385
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:30,800
separately looked at in the EIR and

1386
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:33,280
that's a separate impact uh what that

1387
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:35,199
exposure to those emissions would look

1388
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:37,280
like from a health risk perspective for

1389
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:39,199
both on-site residents and off-site

1390
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:41,199
residents near the project site. And

1391
01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:43,760
that is a separate evaluation in the IR

1392
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:47,600
with um with a separate threshold and

1393
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:51,120
mitigation. But when we looked at um

1394
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:54,159
significant impacts and we're using the

1395
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:58,960
regional model

1396
01:10:54,159 --> 01:11:02,960
and it it's very different if you have a

1397
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:05,199
cloud of dust that is in this room

1398
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:08,480
versus a cloud of dust that's being

1399
01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:11,120
analyzed over the entire city of

1400
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:14,159
Brisbane. that same amount of dust that

1401
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:16,800
might be in this room is so it lessens

1402
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:19,360
the impact when you look at it. Wouldn't

1403
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:23,520
it lessen the impact when you look at it

1404
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:24,719
from a regional impact for the particle

1405
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,320
size?

1406
01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:29,120
» Yeah, I think I think I see what you're

1407
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:31,280
saying. Uh yes is the answer. So when

1408
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:33,600
you're looking at regional emissions,

1409
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:36,159
you're talking about all of the

1410
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,920
pollutants that project vehicles would

1411
01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:39,760
emit, for example, wherever they're

1412
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,600
driving in the region in the 9ount Bay

1413
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,719
Area region potentially and beyond. And

1414
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,600
when you're talking about health risk,

1415
01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:49,280
you're only talking about the the the

1416
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:52,640
local pollutants like dust that is being

1417
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:54,640
produced and dispersed at that receptor

1418
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,400
location. So if there's a house here,

1419
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:58,159
what is the local pollution that that

1420
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,600
house might be intaking during

1421
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:02,320
construction and during operation? So

1422
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:03,840
it's a it's a much smaller subset, if

1423
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,600
I'm understanding your question, than

1424
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:08,640
the full regional picture. And so that

1425
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:10,480
local impact, that impact at that single

1426
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:12,800
receptor point, that house, that

1427
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:15,760
resident point is

1428
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:18,159
um is le is less, I guess you could say,

1429
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:20,480
but the exposure is less, but the risk

1430
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:22,640
assessment only looks at that local um

1431
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:24,000
impact. And I think that that last point

1432
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,880
that what you just said is important. I

1433
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,520
want to make sure that we're doing an

1434
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:30,239
applesto apples comparison that the the

1435
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:32,960
health risk is, you know, very localized

1436
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:35,440
and done on those specific pollutants

1437
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:38,560
that affect

1438
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:42,000
um human health. When we're talking

1439
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:44,400
about a regional analysis for greenhouse

1440
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:46,960
gas emissions, it's a different type of

1441
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:49,440
impact. It's a different um type of

1442
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:53,040
analysis. So there and the EIR includes

1443
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:56,159
both the the regional look for how GHG

1444
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:58,640
emissions are handled as well as the

1445
01:12:56,159 --> 01:13:00,560
criteria pollutants in the air quality

1446
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:02,719
section. So there um I just want to make

1447
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:04,400
sure that that folks aren't confused

1448
01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:08,080
that we said that there's a regional

1449
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:11,920
analysis being done for greenhouse gas

1450
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:14,000
looking at it how we reduce uh GHGs

1451
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,760
throughout the region that doesn't

1452
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:18,320
affect the type of air quality and

1453
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:20,080
health risk analysis that was also done

1454
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,440
and that is very sight specific

1455
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,719
» And that's where you talk about the

1456
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:25,280
receptor locations

1457
01:13:22,719 --> 01:13:28,719
» Correct and then there was a comment

1458
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:31,199
that you made a few minutes ago

1459
01:13:28,719 --> 01:13:33,440
um that we looked at ways to find the

1460
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:36,400
project consistent.

1461
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:38,400
So is that where we are trying to

1462
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:41,600
manipulate

1463
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:45,360
the data to make it consistent or

1464
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:47,600
looking at how we look at the study to

1465
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:50,719
find what mitigation measures need to be

1466
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:52,960
done? I think yeah I I think it was a a

1467
01:13:50,719 --> 01:13:54,960
phrase that that Brian used but would

1468
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,880
talking about comparing

1469
01:13:54,960 --> 01:14:00,080
the

1470
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:03,360
project um to

1471
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:05,840
um the local air quality district's GHG

1472
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:07,920
thresholds and figuring out what needs

1473
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,520
to be done to make it consistent meaning

1474
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,679
what mitigation measures or

1475
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:14,560
modifications to the project need to be

1476
01:14:11,679 --> 01:14:16,960
imposed so that it can meet the policy

1477
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:20,000
goals that are in the thresholds that

1478
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:22,239
the air district puts forward, not how

1479
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:23,040
do we cook the books so it looks better

1480
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:24,640
on paper.

1481
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,000
» That's what it sounded like.

1482
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,800
» Yeah. So, it's good. I'm glad that you

1483
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:31,440
asked so we could clarify that it was

1484
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:36,000
specifically and because that and that

1485
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:38,800
GHG impact 3 is identified as

1486
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:40,560
» Significant before mitigation. And so it

1487
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:42,719
was exactly that process that Brian was

1488
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,960
describing, identifying mitigation

1489
01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:46,640
measures that could be imposed that

1490
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:48,640
would result in a less than significant

1491
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:53,760
impact under that that particular

1492
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:56,400
criterion. So it's um it's definitely a

1493
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:59,679
looking at what changes and requirements

1494
01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:01,520
need to be imposed to meet the policies.

1495
01:14:59,679 --> 01:15:02,560
» Thank you. That's all of my questions

1496
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,800
for now.

1497
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,960
» Before we move to the public, do we have

1498
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,159
anyone else on the council wants to ask

1499
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,800
another question? than you've thought

1500
01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:10,800
of.

1501
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,440
» I I haven't. Madame Mayor, why don't you

1502
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,760
ask?

1503
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:15,679
» You've really gone in the weeds already.

1504
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:17,440
I don't need to go further.

1505
01:15:15,679 --> 01:15:19,280
» Oh, okay. I just have just a couple more

1506
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:22,239
questions then, Madam Mayor. Um, so the

1507
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:25,239
air quality study, um, who who did the

1508
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:25,239
study,

1509
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:30,080
» ESA did the study, we did the study.

1510
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:33,120
» Okay. All right. So, this one wasn't

1511
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:34,560
this one didn't come from VDI.

1512
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:38,560
» No.

1513
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:42,000
» Okay. Okay. I'm just

1514
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:45,600
Thank you, Stephanie. Um,

1515
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:47,520
okay. I just I just So,

1516
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:50,320
are we going to have a little council

1517
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:52,719
discussion after the public speaks or

1518
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:55,840
are we going to have a break and then go

1519
01:15:52,719 --> 01:15:57,679
on to the next item? What was your

1520
01:15:55,840 --> 01:16:00,800
» Would be council's pleasure. Normally

1521
01:15:57,679 --> 01:16:02,960
we'll we would go to the public after

1522
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,960
the council questions

1523
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:07,120
» Cuz I have some actually I have like a

1524
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,000
comment that I'd like to make after the

1525
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,840
the public speak.

1526
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,400
» Just remind me if I if I miss it.

1527
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:11,360
» Okay, great.

1528
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,400
» Did you have another

1529
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:17,840
» That that was it actually.

1530
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:21,760
» Okay. Anyone else? Okay, public. So, we

1531
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:25,520
have some slips from the previous

1532
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:27,280
meeting on the 14th. I have seven of

1533
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:30,239
them here. Again, just to remind

1534
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:32,719
everyone that if you wish to speak, we

1535
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:36,239
need you to fill out a slip or if you're

1536
01:16:32,719 --> 01:16:39,360
online, use the chat feature and Ingred

1537
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:41,440
will fill out a slip and give it to me.

1538
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:44,560
We're doing these in the order. They're

1539
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:47,280
all numbered, first come, first serve.

1540
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:49,199
Um, I would I'm going to read some of

1541
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:51,199
the names off. And one of the things

1542
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:53,760
that was requested from the last meeting

1543
01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:55,760
is I'm going to read the names off so

1544
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:58,400
you know what order you're in. And if we

1545
01:16:55,760 --> 01:17:00,239
could please the next person be ready to

1546
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,920
come right up so we don't just sit and

1547
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:04,000
watch people walk up. I mean, you could

1548
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:06,320
even queue up on the sides and be ready

1549
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:08,480
to go. That would help us. I appreciate

1550
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,600
that. So, the first one I have, I'll

1551
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:11,600
read through them first. So, I'm going

1552
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:14,719
to have Paul Buscal, then Anthony

1553
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:17,520
Walker, then Linda Salmon, then Michelle

1554
01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:22,239
Salammon,

1555
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:26,120
then Alli Zepperman and Clara Johnson,

1556
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:26,120
then Dana Dworth,

1557
01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:31,600
and then Karen Cunningham in that order.

1558
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:35,880
So, first two, Paul, you're up first and

1559
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:35,880
then Anthony, you'll be after him.

1560
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:44,560
Thank you, council Paul Calbert, Spain

1561
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:46,560
resident. So, I sat on the draft

1562
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:51,199
environmental impact report committee

1563
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:53,840
and other formats and um we talked about

1564
01:17:51,199 --> 01:17:57,840
the conveyor to transport stuff from

1565
01:17:53,840 --> 01:18:00,159
that site. Um trucking that that stuff

1566
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:03,120
from the site is is not a viable plan.

1567
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:05,280
It's it's the it's viable as far as for

1568
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:07,840
construction. It's it's it's the best

1569
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:09,440
way to transport the soil is uh by

1570
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:12,560
trucks to have to put it on the

1571
01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:13,760
conveyor. They have to handle it. They

1572
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,679
got to bring it over to the truck and

1573
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,120
then the loaders got to put it on the

1574
01:18:15,679 --> 01:18:19,280
conveyor and then it's got to come off

1575
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:22,239
the conveyor and then a loader's got to

1576
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:24,560
put it back on trucks. But it's all

1577
01:18:22,239 --> 01:18:28,000
within the site. It's not driving on the

1578
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:30,560
public rideway. It's within their site.

1579
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:32,480
Um, I know the CALR,

1580
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:35,920
it's been said that they're against a

1581
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:37,440
conveyor, although there's many times

1582
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:41,120
that temporary construction build

1583
01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:44,560
bridges over their uh the wires over the

1584
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:47,360
tracks. Um,

1585
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:49,600
that way we could use an electric, as

1586
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:52,560
was said, conveyor. And I appreciate

1587
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:55,280
back when the developers

1588
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:58,320
uh seriously looked at a way of keeping

1589
01:18:55,280 --> 01:19:01,679
the transfer of the soil off the

1590
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:04,400
streets. I mean, you mentioned central

1591
01:19:01,679 --> 01:19:06,000
Brisbane and the ridge. So, I take it it

1592
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,760
can't go through San Francisco through

1593
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,760
Little Hollywood and down Beayshore,

1594
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:12,000
which was originally what they talked

1595
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:14,719
about. And we decided that that wasn't

1596
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:17,679
for any neighborhoods the right way to

1597
01:19:14,719 --> 01:19:19,760
transport that amount of soil. So with

1598
01:19:17,679 --> 01:19:23,920
that said,

1599
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:26,400
uh I don't know how we can

1600
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:28,400
convince Cal Train. I mean you need more

1601
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:31,199
the developer needs more than themselves

1602
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:35,600
going to Cal Train. We should be uh

1603
01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:37,840
supporting that and uh explaining the

1604
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:40,640
advantages of transporting the stuff

1605
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:44,960
over with electric conveyor. If that's

1606
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:48,880
not a viable plan, um then I we should

1607
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:52,560
use the uh visitation creek channel,

1608
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:55,040
which uh is primarily tidal.

1609
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:57,120
And if we plugged up the uh outlet to

1610
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:59,199
the bay,

1611
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:01,360
I've never seen a flood on that road,

1612
01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:03,840
even with maybe with one of the highest

1613
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:06,400
tides, but rainfall could be diverted

1614
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:08,000
and not come down the channel and then

1615
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:10,640
plug up the bayside and then we could

1616
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:12,400
run the conveyor underneath through that

1617
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,239
channel and underneath the cow train

1618
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:17,360
tracks cuz I believe underneath the cow

1619
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:19,199
train tracks here's a a brick tunnel

1620
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:21,040
that's a storm drain tunnel that could

1621
01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:24,800
probably

1622
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:26,640
uh accommodate the conveyor. But anyway,

1623
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,080
we look at it. I mean, the idea of

1624
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:31,040
electric trucks, yeah, it's a great

1625
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:33,679
idea, but I don't think that's going to

1626
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:36,000
happen. I mean, it's just not to move

1627
01:20:33,679 --> 01:20:38,800
that amount of soil. The diesel trucks

1628
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:40,159
are just I mean, those kind of trucks

1629
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,719
are meant for the highway. They're not

1630
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:46,000
meant for that kind of transport, even

1631
01:20:42,719 --> 01:20:47,760
though they have the technology, but we

1632
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:50,480
don't need those trucks on the on our

1633
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:53,360
roadways at all. it should stay within

1634
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:56,400
the property. Uh, and if a conveyor

1635
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:57,920
isn't going to be a viable plan, then I

1636
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:00,239
I couldn't see why it would be

1637
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:02,400
unreasonable to have a crossover at the

1638
01:21:00,239 --> 01:21:04,000
grade level of the tracks. It would just

1639
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:08,880
mean that Cal Train would have to have

1640
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:11,440
somebody on on site the whole time to uh

1641
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:13,520
allow trucks to cross in between trains

1642
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:15,840
coming. And I don't believe that the

1643
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,760
train except for freight runs at night.

1644
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:20,239
So they could have a nighttime

1645
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:22,000
operations, but what I'm really

1646
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:25,280
concerned about is the mitigation

1647
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:27,840
measures to deal with the dust. And

1648
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:29,840
nothing's being done there. Nothing's

1649
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,440
been done at the Corey with all that

1650
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:34,640
crushing of the concrete that came off

1651
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:38,239
the highway at hospital curve. So

1652
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:40,239
where's our uh oversight?

1653
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:41,760
And if they are going to be doing that,

1654
01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:44,560
the mitigation measures should be

1655
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:47,040
monitored. And I mean seriously

1656
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:48,960
monitored. So, thank you.

1657
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:50,159
» Really quickly, can I just get a

1658
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,280
clarification from staff?

1659
01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:52,080
» I I had one, too.

1660
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:55,360
» Oh,

1661
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:58,719
» Okay. Um,

1662
01:21:55,360 --> 01:22:01,199
we heard Cal Train and Calrans and just

1663
01:21:58,719 --> 01:22:03,520
to make sure

1664
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:06,800
the

1665
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:09,120
word that we had from Stephanie was that

1666
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:11,600
you were in negotiations with Cal Train,

1667
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:14,880
not Calrans. Is that correct?

1668
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:17,760
» Correct. it. So, it was not Calrans

1669
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:19,679
objecting to a conveyor

1670
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,239
» And it gets confusing. I know because

1671
01:22:19,679 --> 01:22:21,520
there's some

1672
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:23,920
» I'm sorry I misspoke.

1673
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:25,040
» You You meant Cal Train. I figured that.

1674
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:27,360
» Yeah. Thanks.

1675
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:29,120
» Okay. Thank you. Well, I know we've kind

1676
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:31,440
of started talking about the conveyor

1677
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:33,280
and I mean I could see why we started

1678
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:36,560
talking about truck trips as it pertains

1679
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:38,800
to GHG and air quality, but I do want to

1680
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:42,639
just confirm that we're really going to

1681
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:45,280
get much deeper into this when we get to

1682
01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:49,120
remediation and that really this meeting

1683
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:53,360
is not the time to be diving deep into

1684
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:55,199
earth movement. Um, the truck trips are

1685
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:57,520
kind of on the fringes in in terms of

1686
01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:59,760
how they relate to air quality, but I

1687
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:01,920
just I just don't want us to get off

1688
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:03,199
track right now and really and and I'm

1689
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,120
sure the public this is something I know

1690
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:06,560
is a hot topic in the public and that

1691
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:07,600
people really want to weigh in on and

1692
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,040
I'm sure the council wants to weigh in

1693
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,760
on. I just want to make sure that we're

1694
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:14,239
staying on the topic of this meeting and

1695
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:17,040
so I want to understand

1696
01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:20,159
that this is really not for this meeting

1697
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:22,480
and for remediation. Correct.

1698
01:23:20,159 --> 01:23:24,719
Well, yeah, I guess it's it's up to the

1699
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:26,639
the council and the way that you frame

1700
01:23:24,719 --> 01:23:29,199
the issues because yeah, you're you're

1701
01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:32,080
right on both counts that there's a

1702
01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:34,880
separate uh remediation focused meeting

1703
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:37,600
where there'll be much more talk about

1704
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:39,440
Yeah. how the technology, the

1705
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:42,080
technologies that are used, the process,

1706
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:44,000
the locations, um a lot of what you're

1707
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,760
talking about. Um but as you just

1708
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:48,080
pointed out as well to the extent it

1709
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:50,159
relates to the air quality impacts and

1710
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:53,199
the impacts that were being mitigated

1711
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:54,800
through the EIR that that is ostensibly

1712
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:55,920
what we're we're discussing here as

1713
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:59,199
well.

1714
01:23:55,920 --> 01:24:00,080
» I'll just add that because we got if if

1715
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:02,080
I may.

1716
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:04,000
» So I mentioned the truck trips because

1717
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:07,679
of the dust

1718
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:09,280
uh is was my and and the diesel fumes. I

1719
01:24:07,679 --> 01:24:12,080
mean, the diesel fumes within the site

1720
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:14,800
instead of the 3 and 1/2 miles was what

1721
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:17,600
I was kind of getting at. Thank you.

1722
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:22,280
» Anthony Walker.

1723
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:22,280
» And after Anthony, we have Linda Salmon.

1724
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:40,239
Right. Good evening everybody. Um

1725
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:44,159
so uh on greenhouse gas emissions um I

1726
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:48,000
just wanted to make a comment. The uh EI

1727
01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:49,679
projects that the bailands will add um

1728
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:52,400
51,260

1729
01:24:49,679 --> 01:24:55,040
metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions

1730
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:58,239
uh annually at full buildout. Um

1731
01:24:55,040 --> 01:25:02,880
Brisbane's entire 2023 communitywide

1732
01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:06,400
inventory um was 71,222.

1733
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:08,880
Um so that equals approximately 72% of

1734
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:10,960
our total current emissions

1735
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:14,080
um added on top of what we're already

1736
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:15,440
dealing with. So without any uh

1737
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:17,199
counterveailing reductions or

1738
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:19,120
accountability

1739
01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:20,960
um

1740
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:23,520
you know Brisbane's total would reach

1741
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:25,120
122,480 metric tons. That's

1742
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:28,880
approximately

1743
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:31,120
45% above the 2005 baseline that we're

1744
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:34,880
measuring this all against.

1745
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:36,800
Um so how we call that uh an increase

1746
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:38,400
that consequential less than significant

1747
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:42,239
with a straight face is kind of beyond

1748
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:44,800
me. Um a less than significant squa

1749
01:25:42,239 --> 01:25:46,400
finding establishes a regulatory floor.

1750
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:49,600
It should absolutely not become

1751
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:53,440
Brisbane's climate policy ceiling in my

1752
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:56,239
mind. Um the draft IR included an offset

1753
01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:58,719
program annual documentation um a

1754
01:25:56,239 --> 01:26:00,239
true-up mechanism and personally frankly

1755
01:25:58,719 --> 01:26:03,440
I thought parts of that framework went a

1756
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:05,360
little bit too far. Um

1757
01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:07,600
but the final IR did not attempt to

1758
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:09,679
moderate it. Instead it snapped back in

1759
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:13,120
the other direction um the opposite

1760
01:26:09,679 --> 01:26:14,480
extreme and removed any outcomebased

1761
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:16,560
uh measurement or accountability

1762
01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:20,320
measures entirely. It crossed it all

1763
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:22,480
out. Um and what remains are design

1764
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:25,040
requirements. It's a checklist. Uh such

1765
01:26:22,480 --> 01:26:28,239
as all electric buildings, electric

1766
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:30,239
vehicle infrastructure, um considered

1767
01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:31,840
better than regional averages, and those

1768
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:35,760
are good requirements. I'm not against

1769
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:38,480
those. Um but, uh they do not tell us

1770
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:40,960
what the project actually emits.

1771
01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:43,120
um whether the modeled reductions from

1772
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:46,080
those positive urbanist features

1773
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:49,679
actually occur or uh whether corrective

1774
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:51,120
action is needed. Um and you know being

1775
01:26:49,679 --> 01:26:53,199
better than regional averages at this

1776
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:57,360
point is just not enough. We just had

1777
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:59,199
the hottest summer on record. Um

1778
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,800
our regional norms and business and

1779
01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:02,480
usual are failing us miserably

1780
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:05,679
worldwide.

1781
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:07,679
Uh you know we need to aim higher. So,

1782
01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:09,840
um I I just want to bring up um

1783
01:27:07,679 --> 01:27:12,880
Brisbane's uh climate emergency

1784
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:16,400
declaration commits us to reducing

1785
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:20,480
emissions 66% below the 2005 baseline by

1786
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:24,719
2030 um and achieving carbon neutrality

1787
01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:28,000
by 2040. Um as of our last GHD inventory

1788
01:27:24,719 --> 01:27:30,320
in 2023, we had achieved only uh a

1789
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:31,280
15.73%

1790
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:33,040
reduction. [snorts]

1791
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:39,440
So, we are very far behind where we need

1792
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:41,120
to be. Um, Brisbane identifies itself um

1793
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:42,719
as you know with environmental

1794
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:45,199
stewardship as a core part of its

1795
01:27:42,719 --> 01:27:48,000
identity. Um, but there is a profound

1796
01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:50,400
hypocrisy in celebrating that identity

1797
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:53,040
while refusing to even track the actual

1798
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:55,440
missions of the largest single

1799
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:57,280
development in our city's history.

1800
01:27:55,440 --> 01:27:59,040
Um, we should not dismiss our

1801
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,560
sustainability framework or climate

1802
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,320
emergency declaration as merely

1803
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:05,199
aspirational as has been done in the

1804
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:06,880
final EIR and look the other way. SQA

1805
01:28:05,199 --> 01:28:10,239
didn't require solar panels on mission

1806
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:12,560
blue uh or converting the municipal uh

1807
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:15,199
pool off of fossil fuels. It didn't

1808
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:18,080
require the BBEP program and it didn't

1809
01:28:15,199 --> 01:28:21,120
require the um

1810
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:22,480
climate emergency declaration um or

1811
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,719
writing a detailed sustainability

1812
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:26,320
framework to guide this whole process.

1813
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:28,239
We did those things because the

1814
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:30,719
community aspired

1815
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:32,639
to do more and to be better. Um

1816
01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:35,760
aspiration is the reason we adopted the

1817
01:28:32,639 --> 01:28:38,159
goals um more ambitious than the legal

1818
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:42,400
minimum requirements. Aspiration was the

1819
01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:44,239
point. Um, so if this is really the best

1820
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:46,480
that we can manage when it comes to GHD

1821
01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:49,120
in the Baylands, uh, we take those

1822
01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:52,000
projections in the final at face value

1823
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:53,920
and neither the city nor the public may

1824
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,760
ever know whether those assumptions used

1825
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:58,880
to justify the project were accurate,

1826
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:00,719
conservative, or simply wrong. Um, you

1827
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:02,400
know, and frankly to my mind, if that's

1828
01:29:00,719 --> 01:29:04,639
the best we can do, then I really don't

1829
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:06,719
want to hear anyone going on again about

1830
01:29:04,639 --> 01:29:09,760
uh how much Brisbane cares about the

1831
01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:12,560
environment. um you know our actions

1832
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:13,600
will have told a very different story um

1833
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,520
when it

1834
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:19,679
» Are you almost done we're past time

1835
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:22,239
» Oh apologies yeah um so at at a minimum

1836
01:29:19,679 --> 01:29:25,199
um I urge you to uh reconsider guidance

1837
01:29:22,239 --> 01:29:27,440
being offered um on GHD emissions and

1838
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:29,760
require uh periodic developer funded

1839
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:31,520
greenhouse gas inventories public

1840
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:31,920
reporting and ongoing city review thank

1841
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,560
you

1842
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:36,560
» Thank you Linda Sammon and after Linda

1843
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,760
we have Michelle Sammon

1844
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:40,760
I'm gonna go first.

1845
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,760
» Okay.

1846
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:48,080
» Michelle Sammon, Brisbane resident with

1847
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:50,800
um the GHG emissions and everything that

1848
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:52,960
um Anthony said. I totally agree and I

1849
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:55,840
support what he said and we really need

1850
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:59,199
to look to the the long future because

1851
01:29:55,840 --> 01:30:03,040
this planet is in dire straits. But on a

1852
01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:05,120
day-to-day issue, dust and um is a

1853
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:07,760
serious issue. And I will say that the

1854
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:10,239
bay lands does not have a good uh track

1855
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:13,679
record with dust mitigation. I myself

1856
01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:15,520
have, you know, um Bay Area air quality

1857
01:30:13,679 --> 01:30:17,199
control and speed dial. I used to be on

1858
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:19,840
a firstname basis with Dick, their

1859
01:30:17,199 --> 01:30:22,800
investigator, who rarely showed up in

1860
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:25,520
time to do anything about it. Um, so I'm

1861
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:29,840
not really happy about moving, you know,

1862
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:31,120
125,000 truckloads of dirt. Um, but some

1863
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:33,199
of the things that we could do to

1864
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:36,080
mitigate that is make sure that those

1865
01:30:33,199 --> 01:30:37,679
loads are covered when they're moved so

1866
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:41,120
dust doesn't billow them out of the

1867
01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:43,520
trucks everywhere. Um, and that didn't

1868
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:46,400
happen with the concrete coming from the

1869
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:48,000
freeway project. By the way, um I think

1870
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:50,560
all of us really suffered a lot during

1871
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:53,600
the smoke this past week from the Angel

1872
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:56,239
Island incident and then also all of the

1873
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:58,000
dust. I know that I've been horse. We've

1874
01:30:56,239 --> 01:31:01,040
taken a really big load of dust from the

1875
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:04,800
Corey during this crushing process. Um

1876
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:06,239
everything's covered with dirt. And so I

1877
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:08,719
really want us to think about the

1878
01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:10,800
dayto-day of covering the trucks. I'd

1879
01:31:08,719 --> 01:31:13,520
like us to test this soil on a regular

1880
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:15,840
basis as they move through this pile

1881
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:19,520
because we do not actually know the

1882
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:23,360
origin of all of the dirt that is on the

1883
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:26,000
east side of the train tracks. And I

1884
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:27,920
think it's important because when we

1885
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:31,120
talk about GHG emissions, we're talking

1886
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:33,040
about the number of tons of pollutants

1887
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:34,960
that are in

1888
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:37,360
those emissions.

1889
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:39,920
And eventually those come to ground. I

1890
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:43,920
mean they float up and they come back

1891
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:47,040
down and when you water it it becomes

1892
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:48,800
silt and goes into the bay. And if you

1893
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:52,480
look at historical photographs and

1894
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:54,320
aerial photo photographs you can see how

1895
01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:58,000
much siltation has happened just from

1896
01:31:54,320 --> 01:32:02,080
the dirt that has blown off of the bay

1897
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:03,920
site over the last 10 to 15 years. And I

1898
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:06,159
used to commute that corridor every day.

1899
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:09,040
And sometimes in the afternoons the dust

1900
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:11,360
would be blowing so hard off of the site

1901
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:13,600
across the freeway and into Candlestick

1902
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:16,639
Cove and then on across the bay that it

1903
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:19,760
would be this big brown like swath of uh

1904
01:32:16,639 --> 01:32:21,120
dirt in the air and it would it would

1905
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,560
there would be so much of it blowing off

1906
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:26,719
that it would be actually hitting the

1907
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:28,159
car with little dirt uh everywhere and

1908
01:32:26,719 --> 01:32:30,320
it didn't matter how many times you

1909
01:32:28,159 --> 01:32:33,120
called air quality control. So, I don't

1910
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:35,760
trust the regulatory agency to be able

1911
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:39,120
to handle monitoring the amount of dust

1912
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:41,040
that this produces and wetting it down

1913
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:43,440
is kind of moving the problem from the

1914
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:47,360
air to the water quicker than if it goes

1915
01:32:43,440 --> 01:32:49,760
up and settles down. So, it really is an

1916
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:52,880
issue. And that's all I have to say, but

1917
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:54,480
I really think that we need to to really

1918
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:56,719
tighten a lot of the regulations on

1919
01:32:54,480 --> 01:32:59,600
that. If we do have a conveyor belt, it

1920
01:32:56,719 --> 01:33:01,760
needs to be a covered conveyor belt. Um,

1921
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:03,600
so that dust just doesn't blow

1922
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:07,120
everywhere. Dust is really, really

1923
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:10,320
dangerous and it causes silicosis for if

1924
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:13,679
it's been and it causes pollutants and

1925
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:15,199
it has nauseous things in it and we

1926
01:33:13,679 --> 01:33:16,719
don't really want people to be breathing

1927
01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:18,080
that

1928
01:33:16,719 --> 01:33:21,600
and we don't want it in the water

1929
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:23,679
either. Thank you.

1930
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:27,760
» Thank you, Linda Salmon. And after

1931
01:33:23,679 --> 01:33:30,560
Linda, we have Ally.

1932
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:32,239
» Hi. Sorry I'm late and without my notes.

1933
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:34,560
I just got back from the eye doctor and

1934
01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:35,920
I can't even see. [laughter] So without

1935
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:38,880
» You can that's all we ask.

1936
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:41,440
» Um dust silica. Yeah, I have silica in

1937
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:44,560
my lungs from two seasons in the harm

1938
01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:47,120
and it's not fun and uh it has caused

1939
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:50,800
other pro problems in my body and I

1940
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:52,960
don't recommend it to anyone. So I

1941
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:56,080
really I think we need to work better on

1942
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:59,040
this whole thing. In terms of the EIR

1943
01:33:56,080 --> 01:34:01,440
itself, I really still do not feel that

1944
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:04,960
it's complete. It doesn't address so

1945
01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:07,520
many issues like this. Um the idea that

1946
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:09,760
they're going to build out these single

1947
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:13,040
family homes on

1948
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:14,080
a 5t of clay and then expect nothing's

1949
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:16,080
going to happen. People aren't going to

1950
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:18,000
grow try and grow anything there. When

1951
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:20,960
they show pictures of houses with trees

1952
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:23,679
and gardens, not not real. The whole

1953
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:27,679
thing is not real. And I just want to

1954
01:34:23,679 --> 01:34:31,120
add that I guess it was 32 years ago

1955
01:34:27,679 --> 01:34:34,000
1994 general plan which I was part

1956
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:36,639
author of um called for all kinds of

1957
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:38,880
things and allowed them to build at the

1958
01:34:36,639 --> 01:34:41,600
beginning of the site where the slage

1959
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:45,520
lock is um where you might be able to

1960
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:47,920
get footing and have businesses and

1961
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:51,040
dwelling units not single family

1962
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:52,320
dwellings with children on toxic soil

1963
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:54,800
and dust.

1964
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:56,800
the way it seems like it's planned out.

1965
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:59,520
They're going to be having building

1966
01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:02,320
houses and having kids there and then

1967
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:06,000
moving all the stuff from the the dump

1968
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:09,280
with I just not it's not not safe.

1969
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:12,000
Period. Period. It's not. And for us to

1970
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:14,080
do that, no. The other point I want to

1971
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:16,000
make is um let's not make the same

1972
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:17,600
mistake we did on the northeast ridge

1973
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:20,159
where as soon as they got the permits

1974
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:23,120
they sold it and then they ignored every

1975
01:35:20,159 --> 01:35:26,560
single thing uh that we had conditioned

1976
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:28,880
to make it a safe place and make the

1977
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:31,280
construction safe which is why I sued

1978
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:33,600
them. [snorts] And I am just going to

1979
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:35,600
say one more time, if we're going to

1980
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:37,280
give do anything or give them permits

1981
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:39,600
for anything, it's going to be only for

1982
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:42,159
this owner. And if they sell it, then it

1983
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:44,159
all has to start over again. I'm sorry.

1984
01:35:42,159 --> 01:35:46,639
This is not

1985
01:35:44,159 --> 01:35:49,920
This is a show and we we're done with

1986
01:35:46,639 --> 01:35:50,880
it. It's been how many years? Thank you.

1987
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,560
Hi.

1988
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:54,960
» Thank you.

1989
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:58,600
» Thank you. Um Ally and then after Ally,

1990
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:58,600
we have Clara Johnson.

1991
01:36:01,199 --> 01:36:04,560
Good evening, mayor and council members.

1992
01:36:03,199 --> 01:36:06,800
I'm Ally Saberman with the Housing

1993
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:08,239
Action Coalition. The Bayands is one of

1994
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:11,440
the most significant opportunities in

1995
01:36:08,239 --> 01:36:13,040
San Monteo County to deliver new housing

1996
01:36:11,440 --> 01:36:14,719
while advancing California's climate

1997
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:17,199
goals. In our comment letter on the

1998
01:36:14,719 --> 01:36:18,960
draft EIR, we raised concerns about the

1999
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:21,120
proposed mitigation measure requiring

2000
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:24,320
the project to purchase offset credits

2001
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:25,920
for 1.5 million metric tons of CO2.

2002
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:28,080
We're raising this again because of the

2003
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:30,159
comments on this topic appear to

2004
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:32,480
misunderstand it. Requiring this project

2005
01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:34,560
to buy carbon offsets will not produce

2006
01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:36,639
better environmental outcomes. There's a

2007
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:38,880
reason this type of mitigation has only

2008
01:36:36,639 --> 01:36:41,199
been applied to suburban straw projects.

2009
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:43,280
Spraw projects. Infill development in

2010
01:36:41,199 --> 01:36:45,520
existing urbanized areas is the best way

2011
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:47,199
to protect natural and agricultural

2012
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:49,520
lands and reduce greenhouse gas

2013
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:51,440
emissions. Thank you for recognizing

2014
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:53,360
that and revising the final EI's

2015
01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:55,119
greenhouse gas chapter to better align

2016
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:56,960
with the state and regional climate

2017
01:36:55,119 --> 01:36:58,400
policy. That correction matters not just

2018
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:00,239
for the bay lands but for transit

2019
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:01,360
oriented housing across California.

2020
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:03,119
Thank you.

2021
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:05,679
» Thank you,

2022
01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:08,639
Clara.

2023
01:37:05,679 --> 01:37:11,639
Oh, there we go. And Dana, you're after

2024
01:37:08,639 --> 01:37:11,639
Clara.

2025
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:24,480
Good evening. I'm here to state my

2026
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:26,000
support for the environmentally superior

2027
01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:28,320
alternative because it has the least

2028
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:30,080
impact on the physical environment. It

2029
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:32,639
puts less pressure on our water supply

2030
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:34,639
and our electric power supply. I would

2031
01:37:32,639 --> 01:37:37,920
prefer an even smaller project, but that

2032
01:37:34,639 --> 01:37:40,480
choice is not offered. The specific plan

2033
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:42,159
is too large and lacks enough dedicated

2034
01:37:40,480 --> 01:37:45,119
open space.

2035
01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:48,639
We should view GHG gases from a local

2036
01:37:45,119 --> 01:37:51,520
point of view. I think the pressure of

2037
01:37:48,639 --> 01:37:53,600
the construction will be so loud and

2038
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:55,440
cause so much traffic for such a long

2039
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:58,000
time that people would become

2040
01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:59,920
demoralized by the conditions. The

2041
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:01,520
animals that are near will probably

2042
01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:03,520
flee.

2043
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:05,360
I appreciate the attempts at mitigation

2044
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:08,239
and wish there could be more effective

2045
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:10,080
ones in order to move that soil. I'm

2046
01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:14,080
going from topic to topic to get through

2047
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:16,560
and get you on un further on the list.

2048
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:20,159
Uh in order to move the soil around,

2049
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:22,880
won't there be 1,200 daily trips, 640 in

2050
01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:26,159
one direction and then going back to uh

2051
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:28,960
where they came from uh the other empty,

2052
01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:31,920
» But that's still on the road

2053
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:34,480
» Fouling the traffic. And the truck trips

2054
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:36,480
are in the area of Blanken Tunnel

2055
01:38:34,480 --> 01:38:38,639
Beayshore Boulevard, the tunnel avenue

2056
01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:42,719
bridge with the trucks coming every

2057
01:38:38,639 --> 01:38:45,600
three or four minutes for three years in

2058
01:38:42,719 --> 01:38:47,679
order that the phasing functions

2059
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:50,320
well enough to avoid things descending

2060
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:52,159
into chaos. The phasing requires a very

2061
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:54,400
disciplined oversight by the developer

2062
01:38:52,159 --> 01:38:56,880
and by the city. That discipline means

2063
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:59,440
on-site monitors and coordinators o

2064
01:38:56,880 --> 01:39:01,040
overseeing work every day. They need the

2065
01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:03,679
power to shut it all down when

2066
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:07,119
everything starts to go south on them.

2067
01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:09,679
If the FEIR suggests a mitigation

2068
01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:12,159
measure, then that mitigation must

2069
01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:14,400
contain test des I'm sorry, text

2070
01:39:12,159 --> 01:39:16,960
describing how it will be achieved.

2071
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:19,360
Otherwise, there isn't any mitigation in

2072
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:21,600
the FIR. There is a response to a

2073
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:23,440
comment that since it is not a

2074
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:26,159
significant impact, then we don't have

2075
01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:28,080
to do anything under SQA. The fact that

2076
01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:29,760
the measure was included in the document

2077
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:32,239
means there was a s it was of

2078
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:34,400
significance to someone and that maybe

2079
01:39:32,239 --> 01:39:37,520
to a lot of people or to a threatened

2080
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:39,600
species. I think we can do better. I

2081
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:41,600
strongly object to the road diet that's

2082
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:43,679
included in the beayhore mobility plan

2083
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:46,080
because it fails to recognize that

2084
01:39:43,679 --> 01:39:48,560
Beayshore Boulevard is a sub regionally

2085
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:50,639
important north south road. There needs

2086
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:53,280
to be more attention paid to protecting

2087
01:39:50,639 --> 01:39:55,760
workers from the toxic contamination in

2088
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:58,560
the soil and airborne dust and extreme

2089
01:39:55,760 --> 01:40:00,719
air pollution and noise intensity

2090
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:03,119
surrounding them constantly from Highway

2091
01:40:00,719 --> 01:40:06,080
101, Beayhore Boulevard, and the heavy

2092
01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:08,560
construction. The landowner was not in a

2093
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:10,960
rush to get this project built here for

2094
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:13,119
decades. We should take the time needed

2095
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:17,440
to explore all the details and do it

2096
01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:19,520
right. I GHG1 I think that we're going

2097
01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:22,639
to review again. I know you're

2098
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:24,880
discussing I appreciate it in order to

2099
01:40:22,639 --> 01:40:28,320
determine whether some of it should be

2100
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:32,080
not blocked out but rather keep and

2101
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:33,760
continue to be included.

2102
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:37,040
I'm interested in the idea that

2103
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:39,520
mitigation measures could be in the spec

2104
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:42,719
specific plan as policies and I hope you

2105
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:44,400
will consider that some more. Thank you

2106
01:40:42,719 --> 01:40:47,600
very much. Thanks, Clara.

2107
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:50,920
» Thank you, Dana. And after Dan will be

2108
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,920
Karen Cunningham.

2109
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:58,960
» Thank you, Madame Mayor, council

2110
01:40:55,600 --> 01:41:00,800
members. Um, I have two questions from

2111
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:02,639
the prior meeting and a couple of

2112
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:06,480
questions about greenhouse gas

2113
01:41:02,639 --> 01:41:09,199
emissions. Um, what has happened to the

2114
01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:11,119
city's agreement with the Oakdale Water

2115
01:41:09,199 --> 01:41:13,520
District? Do we still have an

2116
01:41:11,119 --> 01:41:16,800
obligation? because I remember the

2117
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:18,960
contract that was to be signed said that

2118
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:21,679
after a certain date if something hasn't

2119
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:25,119
happened that the city would continue to

2120
01:41:21,679 --> 01:41:29,280
pay. Um and so I'm wondering if that

2121
01:41:25,119 --> 01:41:31,360
expense is part of the revenue policy

2122
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:34,880
if you remember

2123
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:36,960
um regarding revenue policy are there

2124
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:42,560
any provisions

2125
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:45,600
um disre disallowing crypto or um the

2126
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:49,520
financing sources and the reason or even

2127
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:52,320
the ownership sources um and I would

2128
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:54,080
remind you of the experience with the

2129
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:56,080
Sunset building where there was a

2130
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:59,360
Russian oligarch that wants to put an

2131
01:41:56,080 --> 01:42:02,239
80story tower down on the old uh in

2132
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:04,480
Menllo Park on the old Sunset building.

2133
01:42:02,239 --> 01:42:08,159
So, I'm wondering how we get protected

2134
01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:11,360
from something like that. Um, regarding

2135
01:42:08,159 --> 01:42:13,440
the greenhouse um, gas emissions, I

2136
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:16,239
would like to know if anything about

2137
01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:19,600
Kinder Morgan was factored into it and

2138
01:42:16,239 --> 01:42:22,639
if anything about the dump has been c

2139
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:28,159
uh, factored into it because as long as

2140
01:42:22,639 --> 01:42:31,679
those two places are not mitigate or

2141
01:42:28,159 --> 01:42:34,639
remediated from the start, they continue

2142
01:42:31,679 --> 01:42:38,480
to off gas. And I would like to remind

2143
01:42:34,639 --> 01:42:41,280
you of the gas report that Barbara Eel

2144
01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:44,159
had presented and it mysteriously

2145
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:45,840
disappeared, but it showed that all

2146
01:42:44,159 --> 01:42:48,320
along

2147
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:51,840
um the old [clears throat] dump there

2148
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:55,760
are emissions

2149
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:57,280
that exceed anybody's regulations.

2150
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:59,440
And

2151
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:02,480
um I [clears throat] don't understand

2152
01:42:59,440 --> 01:43:07,760
why closing that landfill with the

2153
01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:10,800
proper um there is only an interim um

2154
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:13,520
system set up that a proper system be

2155
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:17,760
done first or else you cannot say that

2156
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:21,119
you're reducing gas house emissions. Um,

2157
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:23,360
and the part about Kinder Morgan, I know

2158
01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:28,000
we've been very careful not to bring it

2159
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:31,760
up, but um, it has had a spill. The

2160
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:35,760
spill uh, is heading towards the bay. It

2161
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:38,880
will continue to off gas unless the area

2162
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:43,440
around Mi um, Kinder Morgan is

2163
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:45,520
mitigated. And we were told that it's

2164
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:48,480
there's an industrial

2165
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:52,080
uh cleanup standard for Kinder Morgan

2166
01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:54,639
and they expect there to be gas fumes

2167
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:57,119
because hey, it's a tank farm and

2168
01:43:54,639 --> 01:44:00,560
therefore there's really no mitigation

2169
01:43:57,119 --> 01:44:02,880
because that they expect all of those

2170
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:05,920
gas fumes to be coming off the tank

2171
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:08,880
farm. So, as long as you just ignore

2172
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:12,480
Kinder Morgan, you are doing the public

2173
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:17,199
a disservice. Um, so I would like to

2174
01:44:12,480 --> 01:44:22,320
know um if those were factored into the

2175
01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:26,400
greenhouse gas emissions, if by leaving

2176
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:29,920
them silent for 10 or 15 years, how much

2177
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:32,639
more we have to endure

2178
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:35,840
a program that should have been handled

2179
01:44:32,639 --> 01:44:39,280
35 years ago when the endangerment

2180
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:45,119
eminent endangerment orders were first

2181
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:48,560
ex um put on this property 1988.

2182
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:51,280
Just remind you. Thank you. Do we have

2183
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:52,400
Brian online still?

2184
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:54,400
» Yeah, it's a good question.

2185
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:58,800
» Brian, could you answer the question

2186
01:44:54,400 --> 01:45:00,560
about whether Kinder Morgan and the

2187
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:04,000
euphemistic

2188
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:07,679
unregulated garbage dump were factored

2189
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:10,080
into emissions?

2190
01:45:07,679 --> 01:45:11,600
If the sorry I don't I'm not sure I

2191
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:13,520
fully understand the question but if the

2192
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:15,199
question had to do with um hazardous

2193
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:16,560
materials

2194
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:18,560
» Release of hazardous materials and

2195
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:20,560
remediation is that

2196
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:23,679
» No she was talking about the fact that

2197
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:25,840
the the dump actually has emissions that

2198
01:45:23,679 --> 01:45:29,679
have been ongoing for decades

2199
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:32,320
» And that Kinder Morgan also has uh as a

2200
01:45:29,679 --> 01:45:34,639
tank farm a certain amount of gases that

2201
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:37,440
are emitted and whether those were in

2202
01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:40,400
the calculations. conditions.

2203
01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:42,560
» So I as Brian's thinking about that

2204
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:44,639
those would be part of what SQL would

2205
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:47,280
call the baseline conditions when we're

2206
01:45:44,639 --> 01:45:49,600
analyzing impacts. They're impacts from

2207
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:52,320
the project. So we're looking at the

2208
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:55,440
project's effect on

2209
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:57,440
new emission sources. Um things that are

2210
01:45:55,440 --> 01:45:59,760
already existing part of the environment

2211
01:45:57,440 --> 01:46:01,920
are part of the environmental context,

2212
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:04,080
the setting, the baseline for the

2213
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:05,920
analysis. And then we're looking at at

2214
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:07,600
how the project makes changes to those

2215
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:08,639
existing conditions.

2216
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:11,119
» Very good.

2217
01:46:08,639 --> 01:46:11,760
» Thank you,

2218
01:46:11,119 --> 01:46:14,159
» Karen.

2219
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:17,360
» Hey, I guess uh Madame Mayor, city

2220
01:46:14,159 --> 01:46:20,000
council, I guess my uh comment question

2221
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:24,639
here is kind of a followup to that. So,

2222
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:29,760
Brian, don't run away. um AQ-1

2223
01:46:24,639 --> 01:46:34,400
um we have listed RO ROG NOX PM10 and

2224
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:40,320
PM2.5 as the the major issues.

2225
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:44,560
I want to take us back to when the bay

2226
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:46,800
lands was medical, military,

2227
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:50,800
and

2228
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:54,000
post 1906 earthquake. It's where all the

2229
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:55,920
waste went was into the Baylands and

2230
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:59,073
everything that was in those buildings

2231
01:46:55,920 --> 01:47:00,639
including asbestous etc. Um, the

2232
01:46:59,073 --> 01:47:02,239
[clears throat] one thing that has

2233
01:47:00,639 --> 01:47:04,960
always stuck with me, and I've asked the

2234
01:47:02,239 --> 01:47:08,239
question multiple times over the years,

2235
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:12,400
is what were our thermometers prior to

2236
01:47:08,239 --> 01:47:14,080
the 1970s? Our thermometers were all

2237
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:16,239
mercury.

2238
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:18,880
And if you look at every piece of

2239
01:47:16,239 --> 01:47:20,639
information we have relative to the bay

2240
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:22,560
lands and all of the studies that have

2241
01:47:20,639 --> 01:47:24,880
been done, the word mercury does not

2242
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:28,000
show up one time in my searches on the

2243
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:29,760
city's website or anywhere else. And as

2244
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:32,320
we're talking about air pollutants

2245
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:34,800
relative to these truck trips, when soil

2246
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:37,280
contaminated with mercury is excavated,

2247
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:39,280
transported, or relocated, the mercury

2248
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:42,320
spreads through mechanical movement,

2249
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:45,760
dust inhilation, water runoff, and vapor

2250
01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:48,400
emissions. So that is my comment and I

2251
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:50,400
think some of these things

2252
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:52,000
I don't know why they're not front and

2253
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:54,400
center on the things that we're talking

2254
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:57,280
about relative to moving this kind of

2255
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:58,880
dirt. So I really want you to think hard

2256
01:47:57,280 --> 01:48:01,119
about that. That's my only comment.

2257
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:01,760
Thank you

2258
01:48:01,119 --> 01:48:03,360
for

2259
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:06,360
» Brian. Did you have a comment on the

2260
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:06,360
mercury?

2261
01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:11,600
Yeah, I would just say that I I think

2262
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:13,199
that will be covered in the uh uh an

2263
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:15,520
upcoming hearing on hazards and

2264
01:48:13,199 --> 01:48:18,320
hazardous materials and as part of the

2265
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:20,159
hazardous uh remediation planning

2266
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:22,320
requirements.

2267
01:48:20,159 --> 01:48:25,840
» Okay, thank you.

2268
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:28,560
Stores, sorry I didn't tell you give you

2269
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:31,360
forewarning. So after stores, we have uh

2270
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:33,920
Jeremy Lavine online. After that, we'll

2271
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:37,920
have Roland online, then Charles

2272
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:39,840
Spencer, and then Jordan Grimes online

2273
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:41,600
just to give everybody a little advanced

2274
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:44,239
notice. Thank you, Sto.

2275
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:46,719
» Hi, thanks so much for letting me ask a

2276
01:48:44,239 --> 01:48:49,360
few questions and make a few comments.

2277
01:48:46,719 --> 01:48:53,760
Um, again with Brian being up there,

2278
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:57,600
when I was looking at the EIR,

2279
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:59,760
um, and that it really does seem that

2280
01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:02,320
the operational,

2281
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:04,480
uh, greenhouse gas emissions are is

2282
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:07,679
going to be the largest and it really

2283
01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:11,440
seems that by far the largest driver of

2284
01:49:07,679 --> 01:49:13,679
that is mobile, which I guess is just

2285
01:49:11,440 --> 01:49:17,920
transportation. And I'd love to have

2286
01:49:13,679 --> 01:49:22,000
clarification whether that's true. Um

2287
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:26,719
and then um on something else in terms

2288
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:31,600
of air quality. Um we uh several places

2289
01:49:26,719 --> 01:49:34,400
in the EIR we talk about uh wastewater

2290
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:36,960
uh treatment plant. Um, and I just want

2291
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:41,600
to make sure that we do put some teeth

2292
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:45,679
in that it is modernly designed to

2293
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:48,800
reduce uh the noxious smells which come

2294
01:49:45,679 --> 01:49:51,199
from waste water treatment because uh

2295
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:53,679
Brisbane has a history of being known as

2296
01:49:51,199 --> 01:49:57,440
the smelly town and I don't want us to

2297
01:49:53,679 --> 01:50:00,639
go back to that. Um, so those are my two

2298
01:49:57,440 --> 01:50:03,840
comments. Thanks so much.

2299
01:50:00,639 --> 01:50:07,360
Do we have a comment from the developers

2300
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:10,960
agent about the um wastewater treatment

2301
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:12,480
plant standards of design?

2302
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:14,080
I'm not trying to put you on the spot.

2303
01:50:12,480 --> 01:50:17,639
If you'd like to make a comment, if not,

2304
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:17,639
we'll just go on.

2305
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:24,800
There is a mitigation measure that the

2306
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:26,639
um the water recycling facility will not

2307
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:28,719
stink.

2308
01:50:26,639 --> 01:50:35,400
» Okay. [laughter]

2309
01:50:28,719 --> 01:50:35,400
All right, Jeremy online. Jeremy Lavine.

2310
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:41,520
» Hey, good evening, Brisbane City

2311
01:50:38,639 --> 01:50:43,119
Council. Uh, it's good to be back. I

2312
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:45,679
enjoyed watching the other meeting,

2313
01:50:43,119 --> 01:50:47,920
though went a little long. My name is

2314
01:50:45,679 --> 01:50:50,000
Jeremy Lavine. I'm the policy manager

2315
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:52,800
with the Housing Leadership Council of

2316
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:55,199
San Monteo County. I'm also, for what

2317
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:58,719
it's worth, a dues paying Sierra Club

2318
01:50:55,199 --> 01:51:01,440
member and um you know amid all this

2319
01:50:58,719 --> 01:51:04,719
discussion uh I thought a little bit

2320
01:51:01,440 --> 01:51:07,840
about me might be helpful. Um I'm 29

2321
01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:11,280
years old. I know it's it's it's young.

2322
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:13,920
I suspect that I'm uh less than half the

2323
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:16,080
median age of the people who have been

2324
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:19,600
commenting and so there's a lot of

2325
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:20,719
wisdom I've appreciated hearing. Uh, I'm

2326
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:22,880
not bringing that up to cast

2327
01:51:20,719 --> 01:51:24,960
dispersions. I'm bringing it up to make

2328
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:27,199
the point that I have a really big

2329
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:29,679
vested interest in the future of the

2330
01:51:27,199 --> 01:51:31,920
environment and the planet. I'm really

2331
01:51:29,679 --> 01:51:34,000
worried about climate change. I'm really

2332
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:37,360
worried about being able to breathe

2333
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:39,679
clean air, about being able to have high

2334
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:42,320
quality water, about being able to live

2335
01:51:39,679 --> 01:51:46,320
in communities that are healthy and

2336
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:48,800
sustainable and clean.

2337
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:50,480
And when I look at projects like the

2338
01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:54,320
Baylands,

2339
01:51:50,480 --> 01:51:57,360
I see so much opportunity. There is a

2340
01:51:54,320 --> 01:52:02,080
cow train sitting next to a recycling

2341
01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:03,679
plant and a dump. This is like what?

2342
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:06,159
Hundreds of millions of dollars,

2343
01:52:03,679 --> 01:52:09,760
billions of dollars of infrastructure

2344
01:52:06,159 --> 01:52:11,520
that are not able to get the kind of

2345
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:14,719
ridership. It's the lowest ridership

2346
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:16,719
station in the entire corridor because

2347
01:52:14,719 --> 01:52:19,840
people can't live near it. There aren't

2348
01:52:16,719 --> 01:52:21,760
enough jobs near it.

2349
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:23,760
There are many ways that this project

2350
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:25,440
will have local impacts. But man, when I

2351
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:27,360
think about local impacts, I think a lot

2352
01:52:25,440 --> 01:52:29,440
about a police officer from Daily City

2353
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:31,119
who I talked to a few months ago. And I

2354
01:52:29,440 --> 01:52:33,760
know it's Daily City, not Brisbane, but

2355
01:52:31,119 --> 01:52:35,360
hear me out because I think Brisbane

2356
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:37,920
probably has some of the same

2357
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:41,199
circumstances also. This police officer

2358
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:46,080
was telling me about how he lives in

2359
01:52:41,199 --> 01:52:48,480
Modesta and commutes every single day to

2360
01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:50,080
Daily City. There's no public transit

2361
01:52:48,480 --> 01:52:52,000
option.

2362
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:54,880
He sits in traffic for an hour and a

2363
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:57,920
half or two hours each direction just so

2364
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:59,920
that he can reach a good paying job and

2365
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:03,520
provide for his family. and he used to

2366
01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:06,239
live in the peninsula, but as he got

2367
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:09,840
married and had kids, there was no home

2368
01:53:06,239 --> 01:53:12,239
for him nearby.

2369
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:14,560
So, that seems like a pretty big cause

2370
01:53:12,239 --> 01:53:16,239
of greenhouse gas emissions. That seems

2371
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:19,119
like a pretty big cause of particulate

2372
01:53:16,239 --> 01:53:22,480
matter. You have somebody driving a car

2373
01:53:19,119 --> 01:53:26,880
spewing up uh you know, rubber

2374
01:53:22,480 --> 01:53:29,520
particullet and uh gas into the air uh

2375
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:31,360
for hours every day. going through

2376
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:34,159
communities across the peninsula going

2377
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:37,199
through Brisbane.

2378
01:53:34,159 --> 01:53:40,639
So, uh

2379
01:53:37,199 --> 01:53:42,880
you know this this EIR this project was

2380
01:53:40,639 --> 01:53:45,520
first proposed when I was 8 years old.

2381
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:46,960
Uh in that time the median home price in

2382
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:49,199
Brisbane has more than doubled. The

2383
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:51,119
median rent has more than doubled. There

2384
01:53:49,199 --> 01:53:53,199
are really big environmental impacts.

2385
01:53:51,119 --> 01:53:56,000
There's already been a certified EIR for

2386
01:53:53,199 --> 01:53:57,280
this project. Uh, you know, maybe it's

2387
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:59,119
because I don't have the experience of

2388
01:53:57,280 --> 01:54:01,360
everyone in this room, but a lot of this

2389
01:53:59,119 --> 01:54:03,040
conversation seems pretty redundant from

2390
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:05,360
what already happened just eight years

2391
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:06,800
ago. The conditions haven't changed. The

2392
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:09,760
conversation has just become more

2393
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:12,000
complicated. So, you know, speaking on

2394
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:14,320
behalf of myself as a young person

2395
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:16,159
looking to the future, not just to

2396
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:18,320
Brisbane or San Monteo County, but of

2397
01:54:16,159 --> 01:54:21,280
the planet, I really hope that the

2398
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:24,480
council will really try to find a way to

2399
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:26,080
get to yes without imposing

2400
01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:28,639
uh

2401
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:31,119
costs that make this impossible. without

2402
01:54:28,639 --> 01:54:33,360
imposing costs that don't consider not

2403
01:54:31,119 --> 01:54:36,400
just the global but the regional and the

2404
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:38,159
local impacts of a police officer or

2405
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:40,080
somebody like me who can't afford to

2406
01:54:38,159 --> 01:54:41,599
live in the community and has so thank

2407
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:43,679
you for your time look forward to the

2408
01:54:41,599 --> 01:54:48,719
rest of your discussion

2409
01:54:43,679 --> 01:54:52,400
» Thank you Jeremy uh Roland online

2410
01:54:48,719 --> 01:54:55,040
and after Roland we have Charles Spencer

2411
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:57,360
» Um thank you madame mayor and council

2412
01:54:55,040 --> 01:55:00,639
thank you for the opportunity so I have

2413
01:54:57,360 --> 01:55:02,960
an extreme extremely quick question

2414
01:55:00,639 --> 01:55:05,679
uh which has to do with moving all this

2415
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:08,560
dirt across the Cal Train tracks and I'm

2416
01:55:05,679 --> 01:55:13,360
wondering if it would be possible to

2417
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:16,560
prioritize the Geneva Avenue extension

2418
01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:19,679
overpass over the Cal Train tracks and

2419
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:22,320
then that use that overpass uh for all

2420
01:55:19,679 --> 01:55:24,960
the uh truck movements across the

2421
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:28,960
tracks. I believe you'd be cutting the

2422
01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:31,199
truck mileage by about 90% and uh the

2423
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:32,639
pollutions accordingly. So if somebody

2424
01:55:31,199 --> 01:55:35,920
could speak to that, that'd be much

2425
01:55:32,639 --> 01:55:38,800
appreciated. Thank you.

2426
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:41,040
» Anybody want to tackle that?

2427
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:44,480
That might be a little difficult Roland

2428
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:47,719
to answer on the spot tonight. It's a

2429
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:47,719
bit subjective.

2430
01:55:48,159 --> 01:55:53,599
» We do have the transportation topic in

2431
01:55:50,239 --> 01:55:56,320
the next meeting. So uh we can take this

2432
01:55:53,599 --> 01:55:58,080
question down and uh at that point we

2433
01:55:56,320 --> 01:56:00,719
will have our transportation consultant

2434
01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:02,400
and perhaps they can help us on that.

2435
01:56:00,719 --> 01:56:05,040
» Okay, perfect. Thank you Kevin. Thank

2436
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:06,719
you Roland Charles Spencer.

2437
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:07,920
» Yes, thank you. I want to thank

2438
01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:09,840
» Jordan Grimes after

2439
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:12,159
» For hosting this meeting. I have two

2440
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:13,760
questions concerning the cap. Uh the

2441
01:56:12,159 --> 01:56:16,000
first underneath the cap the

2442
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:18,000
contaminated liquid will flow and I'd

2443
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:20,320
like to know what analysis you have on

2444
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:23,040
the direction of the flow and potential

2445
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:25,599
accumulation points. Second question

2446
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:27,360
also underneath the cap pressure will

2447
01:56:25,599 --> 01:56:30,159
build. We've got heat from the top and

2448
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:31,920
heat from underneath below ground. Uh

2449
01:56:30,159 --> 01:56:34,159
this the soil will not be able to

2450
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:35,679
breathe like it naturally would. So

2451
01:56:34,159 --> 01:56:38,639
pressure is going to build. I'd like to

2452
01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:40,719
know what analysis you have on how that

2453
01:56:38,639 --> 01:56:42,719
pressure will relieve itself and where

2454
01:56:40,719 --> 01:56:44,080
you expect it to relieve itself. Thank

2455
01:56:42,719 --> 01:56:45,920
you.

2456
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:48,320
» Staff, you want to tackle that one?

2457
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:49,520
» Wait, isn't isn't that for like a future

2458
01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:50,960
meeting?

2459
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:52,880
» Yeah. I mean, that that was what we were

2460
01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:55,520
going to say is when we go through the

2461
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:57,440
remediation topic, we'll have the

2462
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:58,719
engineers and experts to talk about how

2463
01:56:57,440 --> 01:57:00,960
those systems will work.

2464
01:56:58,719 --> 01:57:03,119
» So, can you capture that? Try to just

2465
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:05,440
jot that question down to ensure that

2466
01:57:03,119 --> 01:57:08,080
it's included.

2467
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:11,960
Yes. Thank you,

2468
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:11,960
» Jordan Grimes online.

2469
01:57:15,679 --> 01:57:19,520
» Yes. Good evening, council honorable

2470
01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:21,280
mayor. My name is Jordan Grimes and I'm

2471
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:24,080
the legislative director for Green Belt

2472
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:25,840
Alliance. We are a nearly 70-year-old

2473
01:57:24,080 --> 01:57:27,920
environmental organization working

2474
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:29,599
throughout the Bay Area on conservation,

2475
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:31,360
climate resilience, and sustainable land

2476
01:57:29,599 --> 01:57:33,840
use policy.

2477
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:36,639
Um, we've been longtime supporters of

2478
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:39,440
the Bayands project and have been

2479
01:57:36,639 --> 01:57:42,320
tracking this very closely for for more

2480
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:44,239
than a decade now. I want to say there

2481
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:46,000
are a number of significantly or what I

2482
01:57:44,239 --> 01:57:48,639
view to be significantly misinformed

2483
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:50,719
claims presented this evening during

2484
01:57:48,639 --> 01:57:52,480
some of the comments about the EIR and

2485
01:57:50,719 --> 01:57:54,880
and greenhouse gas reduction more

2486
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:58,639
broadly. So, I want to make this pretty

2487
01:57:54,880 --> 01:58:00,480
clear. Advancing this project

2488
01:57:58,639 --> 01:58:02,400
is one of the best things that Brisbane

2489
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:05,119
could possibly do in terms of reducing

2490
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:07,440
greenhouse gas emissions. Brisbane is

2491
01:58:05,119 --> 01:58:09,840
not an island. It is a city that is part

2492
01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:11,199
of a region and as such emission

2493
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:13,520
reduction has to be considered

2494
01:58:11,199 --> 01:58:16,880
holistically with the entire region in

2495
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:19,920
mind. and creating a dense, walkable,

2496
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:21,679
transit oriented area and allowing tens

2497
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:24,080
of thousands of people to live and work

2498
01:58:21,679 --> 01:58:27,679
there will have an enormous positive

2499
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:30,400
effect on reducing greenhouse gas uh

2500
01:58:27,679 --> 01:58:32,080
impacts. The single largest source of

2501
01:58:30,400 --> 01:58:33,760
emissions in the Bay Area and California

2502
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:35,920
more broadly is the transportation

2503
01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:38,080
sector. It is driving uh it is you

2504
01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:40,000
driving your car to get from point A to

2505
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:41,760
point B and it is other people driving

2506
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:44,719
their cars to get from point A to point

2507
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:47,199
B. That is where more than 45% of our

2508
01:58:44,719 --> 01:58:50,320
emissions come from. They are the result

2509
01:58:47,199 --> 01:58:52,000
of vehicle miles traveled and the only

2510
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:54,960
way to really deal with that uh is

2511
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:57,040
through land use change. Um and that is

2512
01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:59,199
backed up by the UC Berkeley local

2513
01:58:57,040 --> 01:59:01,360
government climate policy tool uh which

2514
01:58:59,199 --> 01:59:03,199
allows local governments to look at

2515
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:05,280
different potential policies to reduce

2516
01:59:03,199 --> 01:59:07,199
greenhouse gas emissions uh and which

2517
01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:10,080
shows that additional infill development

2518
01:59:07,199 --> 01:59:12,560
in Brisbane blows other GHG emission

2519
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:14,560
reduction strategies. uh things like

2520
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:17,119
heating, electrification, commercial

2521
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:19,599
efficiency, etc. out of the water. It's

2522
01:59:17,119 --> 01:59:22,320
infill. We know this. It's it's infill.

2523
01:59:19,599 --> 01:59:24,000
Um Green Belt first endorsed this

2524
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:27,679
project, as far as I can tell, back in

2525
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:29,360
2011. And as a lifelong Samato resident,

2526
01:59:27,679 --> 01:59:31,119
as as someone who grew up in this

2527
01:59:29,360 --> 01:59:33,280
county, the fact that we are still

2528
01:59:31,119 --> 01:59:35,199
debating this is frustrating to say the

2529
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:36,880
least when you think about how many

2530
01:59:35,199 --> 01:59:38,960
metric tons of greenhouse gas emissions

2531
01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:40,639
we could have prevented had it been

2532
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:42,560
built earlier. And that is that is

2533
01:59:40,639 --> 01:59:43,920
something that I think the entire Bay

2534
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:46,800
Area has to reckon with. Certainly

2535
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:48,880
Brisbane is not the only uh city that is

2536
01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:51,199
engaged this way, but it is a

2537
01:59:48,880 --> 01:59:52,480
significant problem and fixing it is

2538
01:59:51,199 --> 01:59:55,040
going to require us to think a little

2539
01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:58,159
bit differently. Um so I do want to

2540
01:59:55,040 --> 02:00:00,400
sincerely thank city staff uh for for

2541
01:59:58,159 --> 02:00:02,159
advancing this for getting us to what I

2542
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:04,880
hope is the end of a very long and

2543
02:00:02,159 --> 02:00:07,280
arduous process. Um I understand that

2544
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:08,480
many of the concerns this evening uh I

2545
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:09,920
understand where they're coming from. I

2546
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:12,320
I certainly believe that they're

2547
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:14,639
legitimate. Um but many of them are also

2548
02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:17,199
unfounded and so I hope you will advance

2549
02:00:14,639 --> 02:00:19,199
this project uh sooner rather than

2550
02:00:17,199 --> 02:00:22,800
later. Um and look forward to attending

2551
02:00:19,199 --> 02:00:25,040
the other meetings. Thanks so much.

2552
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:27,199
» Thank you. So I have two more slips and

2553
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:28,880
I have a question. Ariel, you have open

2554
02:00:27,199 --> 02:00:31,040
space. We're on greenhouse gas

2555
02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:32,560
emissions. Did you really mean open

2556
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:34,800
space?

2557
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:35,920
I was going to comment on open space on

2558
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:39,440
the um

2559
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:41,760
» Because that's coming up after this.

2560
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:43,760
» Okay. So, you want it then?

2561
02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:46,320
» Yeah. Whenever you'd like me to comment.

2562
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:51,480
» Okay. We'll put you on the second part.

2563
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:51,480
So, I have Matt Rean or Reagan.

2564
02:00:52,239 --> 02:00:56,480
» That's online.

2565
02:00:53,199 --> 02:00:57,920
» Oh, sorry. Online. Matt.

2566
02:00:56,480 --> 02:01:00,159
» Good evening, Madame Mayor, council

2567
02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:03,040
members. My name is Matt Rean. I'm chief

2568
02:01:00,159 --> 02:01:05,679
policy officer at the Bay Area Council

2569
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:08,159
and uh like my good friend Jordan who

2570
02:01:05,679 --> 02:01:11,199
just spoke, we did first endorse this

2571
02:01:08,159 --> 02:01:12,800
project uh back in 2011, back when

2572
02:01:11,199 --> 02:01:17,440
council member Lance and I were much

2573
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:20,000
younger and much faster. Um hi. Um, I

2574
02:01:17,440 --> 02:01:23,040
want to uh I want to paraphrase one of

2575
02:01:20,000 --> 02:01:25,920
my favorite Joe Bidenisms um and urge

2576
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:28,639
you to resist the temptation to compare

2577
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:31,119
this project to the Almighty and instead

2578
02:01:28,639 --> 02:01:33,679
compare it to the alternative. Uh the

2579
02:01:31,119 --> 02:01:35,840
Almighty of of course is zero emissions

2580
02:01:33,679 --> 02:01:39,599
which we know is a physical

2581
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:42,159
impossibility. Uh the alternative um is

2582
02:01:39,599 --> 02:01:43,679
as Jordan Grimes explained uh tens of

2583
02:01:42,159 --> 02:01:46,480
thousands of people living somewhere

2584
02:01:43,679 --> 02:01:48,639
else. Uh San Monteo and the California

2585
02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:51,119
coast at large. It's one of the lowest

2586
02:01:48,639 --> 02:01:54,000
greenhouse gas places in the world to

2587
02:01:51,119 --> 02:01:58,400
live. It's temperate. It's transit

2588
02:01:54,000 --> 02:02:00,400
served. It's 50° in January. It's 50° in

2589
02:01:58,400 --> 02:02:02,960
July. You don't need heat. You don't

2590
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:05,760
need AC. You can live without a car. You

2591
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:07,920
have access to services and employment

2592
02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:11,679
within very short uh distances of where

2593
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:13,840
you live. It is the lowest GHG existence

2594
02:02:11,679 --> 02:02:16,719
you can possibly have on the planet. So

2595
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:19,199
to build in these sites, if you care, if

2596
02:02:16,719 --> 02:02:21,920
you honestly care about reducing

2597
02:02:19,199 --> 02:02:25,119
greenhouse gases and impacts on our

2598
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:28,560
planet's climate, then sites like this

2599
02:02:25,119 --> 02:02:32,480
be the absolute pinnacle of development

2600
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:34,080
and growth. Um the average per capita

2601
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:37,360
greenhouse gas production of a San

2602
02:02:34,080 --> 02:02:39,679
Monteo resident is 7 tons.

2603
02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:41,679
The average California resident is 9

2604
02:02:39,679 --> 02:02:43,760
tons. People who live in the Central

2605
02:02:41,679 --> 02:02:46,000
Valley, it's about 10 tons. that Sam

2606
02:02:43,760 --> 02:02:48,159
that daily city cop who commutes every

2607
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:49,679
day two hours each way. He's not the

2608
02:02:48,159 --> 02:02:52,560
only one who makes that commute.

2609
02:02:49,679 --> 02:02:56,560
According to MTC data,

2610
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:58,400
120,000 people every workday commute

2611
02:02:56,560 --> 02:03:00,960
into the Bay Area from their homes in

2612
02:02:58,400 --> 02:03:04,080
the Central Valley because we have for a

2613
02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:06,239
generation refused to build sufficient

2614
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:08,400
housing to match our job growth. And we

2615
02:03:06,239 --> 02:03:11,119
have forced all of our our affordable

2616
02:03:08,400 --> 02:03:13,199
housing into autodependent far-flung

2617
02:03:11,119 --> 02:03:16,080
suburbs in the Central Valley and

2618
02:03:13,199 --> 02:03:18,400
beyond. They're the lucky ones. 40,000

2619
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:21,280
Californians each year move to Texas,

2620
02:03:18,400 --> 02:03:25,199
one state. The per capita greenhouse gas

2621
02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:28,639
production in Texas is 27 tons. That's a

2622
02:03:25,199 --> 02:03:31,360
400% increase over the residents that

2623
02:03:28,639 --> 02:03:33,440
would live in this project in San Mato.

2624
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:35,920
So I would urge you do not compare it to

2625
02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:38,719
the to the Almighty. compare it to the

2626
02:03:35,920 --> 02:03:41,119
alternative to those alternatives.

2627
02:03:38,719 --> 02:03:42,800
This project meets all of the standards,

2628
02:03:41,119 --> 02:03:44,639
environmental standards and greenhouse

2629
02:03:42,800 --> 02:03:47,119
gas reduction standards that have been

2630
02:03:44,639 --> 02:03:49,920
laid out by HCD and by the California

2631
02:03:47,119 --> 02:03:52,560
Air Resources Board. Again, if you care

2632
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:54,639
about the reduction of greenhouse gases,

2633
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:56,880
if you care about the future of the the

2634
02:03:54,639 --> 02:03:59,280
planet and our climate, then this is

2635
02:03:56,880 --> 02:04:01,119
exactly the sort of project that you

2636
02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:04,480
should be approving. And it should not

2637
02:04:01,119 --> 02:04:06,880
be taking 15 years to get it approved.

2638
02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:08,880
And this is why we have a climate crisis

2639
02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:12,480
and why we have a housing crisis because

2640
02:04:08,880 --> 02:04:14,639
project like this are taking too long to

2641
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:17,760
get approved. So please move it forward

2642
02:04:14,639 --> 02:04:20,159
as quickly as possible. Thank you.

2643
02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:23,119
» All right. Thank you. That is all I have

2644
02:04:20,159 --> 02:04:25,679
on slips. Do we have any other that I

2645
02:04:23,119 --> 02:04:27,760
don't have? That being said, Council

2646
02:04:25,679 --> 02:04:28,320
Member Lance, you asked me to circle

2647
02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:31,760
back.

2648
02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:33,599
» Yeah. Thank Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um

2649
02:04:31,760 --> 02:04:36,800
you I appreciate all the comments that

2650
02:04:33,599 --> 02:04:40,400
that people raised. Uh one of the

2651
02:04:36,800 --> 02:04:43,840
comments from member of the public was

2652
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:45,520
about climate change and

2653
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:47,679
for me personally I think climate change

2654
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:52,000
is the greatest threat not only to

2655
02:04:47,679 --> 02:04:53,840
humans but to all living things. Uh, you

2656
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:55,679
know, Anthony brought this up and I'm

2657
02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:58,320
just going to read it again, which is

2658
02:04:55,679 --> 02:05:00,639
resolution number 2021-62.

2659
02:04:58,320 --> 02:05:02,239
And this is Brisbane's climate emergency

2660
02:05:00,639 --> 02:05:04,000
declaration,

2661
02:05:02,239 --> 02:05:07,199
which commits the city to reducing

2662
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:09,920
greenhouse gas emissions 66% below 2005

2663
02:05:07,199 --> 02:05:13,800
levels by 2030 and achieving net zero

2664
02:05:09,920 --> 02:05:13,800
emissions by 2040.

2665
02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:20,000
I also want to echo what Anthony said

2666
02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:22,800
about being better than average compared

2667
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:24,560
to the rest of the cities in the area

2668
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:26,880
and that that should be the standard

2669
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:29,920
that we shoot for. I think we can do

2670
02:05:26,880 --> 02:05:33,599
better and I I want to partner with you

2671
02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:35,840
EDI to make that happen.

2672
02:05:33,599 --> 02:05:38,800
You know, in

2673
02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:41,040
measure JJ, it's item G. It states

2674
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:43,679
Bayland's development shall be designed

2675
02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:45,840
so as to be energy neutral on an ongoing

2676
02:05:43,679 --> 02:05:48,400
basis.

2677
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:53,040
And so one of the requests that I'd like

2678
02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:56,560
to make for a future discussion is for

2679
02:05:53,040 --> 02:05:59,040
us to evaluate alternative 7

2680
02:05:56,560 --> 02:06:00,960
and compare it to the current specific

2681
02:05:59,040 --> 02:06:03,679
plan.

2682
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:08,400
In my mind, I think that uh alternative

2683
02:06:03,679 --> 02:06:09,920
7 is more in line with the measure JJ

2684
02:06:08,400 --> 02:06:12,000
item

2685
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:15,280
where that is designed so as to be

2686
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:18,400
energy neutral on an ongoing basis while

2687
02:06:15,280 --> 02:06:20,320
still providing the housing and

2688
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:23,119
commercial

2689
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:27,920
that we all need and that I I am in

2690
02:06:23,119 --> 02:06:29,840
favor of. All right. Thank you. Any

2691
02:06:27,920 --> 02:06:32,320
member of the council want to comment on

2692
02:06:29,840 --> 02:06:34,960
that or have another comment?

2693
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:37,199
» I have just things that the public has

2694
02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:38,000
mentioned that I just don't know that

2695
02:06:37,199 --> 02:06:39,440
were answered.

2696
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:42,480
» Okay, I do too. Go ahead.

2697
02:06:39,440 --> 02:06:45,520
» Um, so Michelle Sammon brought up

2698
02:06:42,480 --> 02:06:48,079
requiring the trucks to be covered.

2699
02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:49,840
» Um, and is that ex is that something

2700
02:06:48,079 --> 02:06:51,520
that is a provision in the AIR that

2701
02:06:49,840 --> 02:06:53,679
already requires that or is that

2702
02:06:51,520 --> 02:06:56,480
something that we would need to build

2703
02:06:53,679 --> 02:06:58,560
into this specific plan?

2704
02:06:56,480 --> 02:07:03,280
Yeah, it's it's required in connection

2705
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:07,199
with the um the air quality um the

2706
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:09,760
um EIR does require um dust mitigation

2707
02:07:07,199 --> 02:07:12,880
that meets all air district standards

2708
02:07:09,760 --> 02:07:14,639
and um I think it's regulation six

2709
02:07:12,880 --> 02:07:18,639
though Brian will correct me if I don't

2710
02:07:14,639 --> 02:07:21,520
have that correct um has basically

2711
02:07:18,639 --> 02:07:24,480
particulate matter and dust controls

2712
02:07:21,520 --> 02:07:26,079
that are uh imposed on construction

2713
02:07:24,480 --> 02:07:27,520
projects like this and That does include

2714
02:07:26,079 --> 02:07:28,079
a requirement to have the trucks be

2715
02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:29,679
covered.

2716
02:07:28,079 --> 02:07:31,360
» Okay. I thought that was the case.

2717
02:07:29,679 --> 02:07:33,440
» Is that only when they're on a public

2718
02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:36,000
highway or is that covered when they're

2719
02:07:33,440 --> 02:07:37,119
within a site?

2720
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:38,400
» I'd have to double check. I don't

2721
02:07:37,119 --> 02:07:41,280
remember off the top of my head.

2722
02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:44,320
» I I can answer that. It's all during uh

2723
02:07:41,280 --> 02:07:47,040
it's all hall trucks transporting soil

2724
02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:50,960
um offsite shall be covered. So any any

2725
02:07:47,040 --> 02:07:53,679
any transport of soil requires covering.

2726
02:07:50,960 --> 02:07:55,840
And on on that question, council member

2727
02:07:53,679 --> 02:07:57,440
or mayor prom Davis, what about the

2728
02:07:55,840 --> 02:07:59,360
conveyor belt that we're talking about

2729
02:07:57,440 --> 02:08:01,920
as well? Is that included in that?

2730
02:07:59,360 --> 02:08:03,679
» The Yeah, the the conveyor belt also is

2731
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:04,639
specifically addressed in the mitigation

2732
02:08:03,679 --> 02:08:08,000
program. Thank you.

2733
02:08:04,639 --> 02:08:10,159
» To have um you know, watering coverage

2734
02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:12,000
and have the air district standards uh

2735
02:08:10,159 --> 02:08:15,920
applied to it.

2736
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:17,360
» Okay. Um, and then I had kind of touched

2737
02:08:15,920 --> 02:08:20,079
in the questions about like some

2738
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:22,159
sitewide carbon budgeting, monitoring,

2739
02:08:20,079 --> 02:08:24,000
reporting, etc.

2740
02:08:22,159 --> 02:08:26,719
But there was also something that I

2741
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:28,800
think that I had discussed with legal

2742
02:08:26,719 --> 02:08:31,520
before about

2743
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:35,599
the more that the city involves itself

2744
02:08:31,520 --> 02:08:38,639
in oversight beyond what's charged with

2745
02:08:35,599 --> 02:08:40,960
the regulatory agencies,

2746
02:08:38,639 --> 02:08:45,040
the more that the city then exposes

2747
02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:47,760
itself to future liability. Um, and so

2748
02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:50,159
I, you know, I

2749
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:52,480
I've heard this several times in these

2750
02:08:50,159 --> 02:08:57,199
meetings where it's like, well, I don't

2751
02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:59,679
trust um DTSC or I don't trust this

2752
02:08:57,199 --> 02:09:01,760
agency to do their job and therefore the

2753
02:08:59,679 --> 02:09:03,760
city needs to implement some kind of

2754
02:09:01,760 --> 02:09:06,079
additional oversight.

2755
02:09:03,760 --> 02:09:09,199
And I think it's important because that

2756
02:09:06,079 --> 02:09:12,320
was kind of discussed a little bit here

2757
02:09:09,199 --> 02:09:14,480
from the public tonight. If as

2758
02:09:12,320 --> 02:09:17,040
well-intentioned as we may be and

2759
02:09:14,480 --> 02:09:19,599
wanting to, you know, ensure that

2760
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:21,440
everything's done right, adding that

2761
02:09:19,599 --> 02:09:25,840
additional level of scrutiny on the

2762
02:09:21,440 --> 02:09:29,679
city's part, does that in fact now

2763
02:09:25,840 --> 02:09:31,840
potentially expose us to liability if

2764
02:09:29,679 --> 02:09:34,239
something does go wrong in the future?

2765
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:35,760
And they can point to the city and say,

2766
02:09:34,239 --> 02:09:37,679
"Oh, well, you've you've involved

2767
02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:40,480
yourself in the process of regulating

2768
02:09:37,679 --> 02:09:41,840
this

2769
02:09:40,480 --> 02:09:44,960
Yeah, I mean I guess it depends on the

2770
02:09:41,840 --> 02:09:46,960
the specific topic and and actions, but

2771
02:09:44,960 --> 02:09:49,360
yeah, in in general that's correct that

2772
02:09:46,960 --> 02:09:52,000
if there's there's regulatory agencies,

2773
02:09:49,360 --> 02:09:55,760
they have specific jurisdiction, they

2774
02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:58,159
have a particular expertise, then it

2775
02:09:55,760 --> 02:10:00,239
often can be, you know, the safest

2776
02:09:58,159 --> 02:10:03,104
approach for the city to uh defer to

2777
02:10:00,239 --> 02:10:04,719
those expertise and not um not

2778
02:10:03,104 --> 02:10:07,599
[clears throat] try and and change that

2779
02:10:04,719 --> 02:10:11,360
framework uh to avoid inserting yourself

2780
02:10:07,599 --> 02:10:15,119
into a uh potential liability chain.

2781
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:17,199
» Yeah. So, you know, to to put these

2782
02:10:15,119 --> 02:10:21,280
measures in place to avoid a problem

2783
02:10:17,199 --> 02:10:24,079
could in fact create a problem,

2784
02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:26,639
especially a major financial problem for

2785
02:10:24,079 --> 02:10:29,440
the city in the future. So, I think it

2786
02:10:26,639 --> 02:10:31,040
was just important that

2787
02:10:29,440 --> 02:10:33,360
we hear a little bit more about that cuz

2788
02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:36,800
I have a feeling that's going to come up

2789
02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:38,719
again. Um,

2790
02:10:36,800 --> 02:10:40,880
and I think all the rest of the things

2791
02:10:38,719 --> 02:10:44,560
that have come up

2792
02:10:40,880 --> 02:10:46,079
maybe are more for future meetings. So,

2793
02:10:44,560 --> 02:10:49,119
I'll leave it at that.

2794
02:10:46,079 --> 02:10:51,360
» Okay. So, I do have a question. Um,

2795
02:10:49,119 --> 02:10:54,360
again based on Michelle Sammon's

2796
02:10:51,360 --> 02:10:54,360
question

2797
02:10:54,480 --> 02:11:00,960
because the east side has vastly

2798
02:10:58,159 --> 02:11:03,679
unregulated not just garbage but toxic

2799
02:11:00,960 --> 02:11:06,719
waste that was just dumped into the bay

2800
02:11:03,679 --> 02:11:09,440
and moving soil from east to west. We

2801
02:11:06,719 --> 02:11:12,079
know historically dirt or not [snorts]

2802
02:11:09,440 --> 02:11:16,800
dirt but garbage and refues and toxic

2803
02:11:12,079 --> 02:11:19,679
waste was deposited about 40t deep.

2804
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:25,520
is anywhere is this written into the

2805
02:11:19,679 --> 02:11:27,920
specific plan? I I took a bit of um

2806
02:11:25,520 --> 02:11:30,239
solless from what Michelle was saying in

2807
02:11:27,920 --> 02:11:32,000
that if you're moving dirt and you're a

2808
02:11:30,239 --> 02:11:34,960
contractor, how do you know when you've

2809
02:11:32,000 --> 02:11:36,880
hit 40 ft? How do you know when you're

2810
02:11:34,960 --> 02:11:40,480
moving dirt and suddenly you're hitting

2811
02:11:36,880 --> 02:11:43,199
toxic waste? So, I don't know if anyone

2812
02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:45,840
can answer that, but I'm I'm not saying

2813
02:11:43,199 --> 02:11:49,119
that the city of Brisbane should assume

2814
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:52,159
any liability or do monitoring or

2815
02:11:49,119 --> 02:11:54,079
testing, but should we not have

2816
02:11:52,159 --> 02:11:57,119
something

2817
02:11:54,079 --> 02:12:00,719
put in that specific plan addressing

2818
02:11:57,119 --> 02:12:03,280
that issue just because of the anomaly

2819
02:12:00,719 --> 02:12:06,000
of the east side? And it and it's it's

2820
02:12:03,280 --> 02:12:07,679
the airborne contaminants, but it's also

2821
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:10,400
people who might be working out there,

2822
02:12:07,679 --> 02:12:14,480
even the truck drivers. And whatever is

2823
02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:17,360
airborne out there comes comes either

2824
02:12:14,480 --> 02:12:19,040
south or it blows east into someone

2825
02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:19,599
else's

2826
02:12:19,040 --> 02:12:20,639
» Yeah.

2827
02:12:19,599 --> 02:12:23,520
» Home or area.

2828
02:12:20,639 --> 02:12:27,040
» And so the remedial action plans all

2829
02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:29,599
identify uh quantitative metrics for

2830
02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:31,760
handling of soil, soil vapor,

2831
02:12:29,599 --> 02:12:34,480
groundwater. Um and again I think that

2832
02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:37,119
when we're doing the rem remediation

2833
02:12:34,480 --> 02:12:39,280
specific discussion uh we can get into a

2834
02:12:37,119 --> 02:12:41,599
lot more detail about uh the different

2835
02:12:39,280 --> 02:12:43,840
measures uh the type of testing that's

2836
02:12:41,599 --> 02:12:46,159
already been done and and how that will

2837
02:12:43,840 --> 02:12:47,040
be uh implemented and monitored going

2838
02:12:46,159 --> 02:12:50,159
forward.

2839
02:12:47,040 --> 02:12:52,800
» Okay. Thank you Eric. Anyone else

2840
02:12:50,159 --> 02:12:55,840
council?

2841
02:12:52,800 --> 02:12:56,480
» Nope. Okay. Do we need a break?

2842
02:12:55,840 --> 02:13:00,000
» Yes.

2843
02:12:56,480 --> 02:13:02,239
» Okay. Let's take a 10-minute break.

2844
02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:04,480
It'll turn into 15, but we'll take a

2845
02:13:02,239 --> 02:13:04,800
10-minute break and we'll see you back

2846
02:13:04,480 --> 02:13:07,520
here.

2847
02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:11,119
» So, for the public and the next topic so

2848
02:13:07,520 --> 02:13:13,119
that people can prepare their slips is

2849
02:13:11,119 --> 02:13:14,239
distrib distribution and intensity of

2850
02:13:13,119 --> 02:13:16,000
uses

2851
02:13:14,239 --> 02:13:17,599
» Or what do you want to do next? Just so

2852
02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:19,599
like if people want to submit slips,

2853
02:13:17,599 --> 02:13:21,920
they know what the next thing is.

2854
02:13:19,599 --> 02:13:24,000
» We have land use plans and design is

2855
02:13:21,920 --> 02:13:25,840
coming up next. I've already got some

2856
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:27,360
slips, but you're welcome. Anyone who

2857
02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:29,840
hasn't filled one out,

2858
02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:33,320
» That's our city clerk. Just hand it to

2859
02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:33,320
our city clerk.

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Okay, we're back in session.

2933
02:23:53,600 --> 02:23:58,880
Second topic is land use plans and

2934
02:23:57,120 --> 02:24:00,640
design. Could we have a staff report,

2935
02:23:58,880 --> 02:24:02,479
please?

2936
02:24:00,640 --> 02:24:05,120
» Yeah, sure. We'll get the uh

2937
02:24:02,479 --> 02:24:08,240
presentation up and really I'm just here

2938
02:24:05,120 --> 02:24:09,760
to introduce Eric Callaway from ESA and

2939
02:24:08,240 --> 02:24:13,280
he's going to review the specific plans

2940
02:24:09,760 --> 02:24:15,120
land use plan and design standards.

2941
02:24:13,280 --> 02:24:16,560
» Go ahead, Eric. Thank you for joining

2942
02:24:15,120 --> 02:24:18,560
us. Of

2943
02:24:16,560 --> 02:24:20,800
» Course, thank you for having me. Um and

2944
02:24:18,560 --> 02:24:23,800
thank you Jeremiah staff and and

2945
02:24:20,800 --> 02:24:23,800
council.

2946
02:24:25,520 --> 02:24:29,640
Uh you can go to the next slide.

2947
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:34,160
So uh chapter two of the specific plan

2948
02:24:32,399 --> 02:24:36,800
is the chapter that contains the plan's

2949
02:24:34,160 --> 02:24:38,880
land use program and planning districts.

2950
02:24:36,800 --> 02:24:42,640
This chapter establishes maximums of

2951
02:24:38,880 --> 02:24:45,520
2,200 residential units, 6.5 million

2952
02:24:42,640 --> 02:24:48,880
square ft of commercial uses, 500,000 ft

2953
02:24:45,520 --> 02:24:51,120
of hotel uses. You gonna head out?

2954
02:24:48,880 --> 02:24:52,880
» Um, then this chapter establishes

2955
02:24:51,120 --> 02:24:55,200
minimum average densities for the

2956
02:24:52,880 --> 02:24:56,880
project by land use designation.

2957
02:24:55,200 --> 02:24:59,120
» Higher densities are located to the

2958
02:24:56,880 --> 02:25:02,120
north near the Cal Train station. Next

2959
02:24:59,120 --> 02:25:02,120
slide.

2960
02:25:03,680 --> 02:25:07,920
Then planning districts are established.

2961
02:25:06,080 --> 02:25:09,359
Residential and mixeduse development is

2962
02:25:07,920 --> 02:25:11,439
located on the west side of the plan

2963
02:25:09,359 --> 02:25:13,760
area and the east side of the plan area

2964
02:25:11,439 --> 02:25:16,000
consists of lower intensity commercial

2965
02:25:13,760 --> 02:25:20,280
open space habitat and sustainability

2966
02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:20,280
infrastructure. Next slide.

2967
02:25:21,840 --> 02:25:25,680
Finally, the plan distributes the amount

2968
02:25:24,080 --> 02:25:27,520
of permitted development across

2969
02:25:25,680 --> 02:25:29,920
individual blocks within the planning

2970
02:25:27,520 --> 02:25:31,840
districts. A development allocation

2971
02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:34,560
process is established that allows those

2972
02:25:31,840 --> 02:25:36,399
allocations to shift between blocks as

2973
02:25:34,560 --> 02:25:42,120
long as the overall district level and

2974
02:25:36,399 --> 02:25:42,120
plan level limits are maintained. Slide.

2975
02:25:42,720 --> 02:25:47,120
Chapter 3 contains the plan's objective

2976
02:25:44,720 --> 02:25:48,880
design standards and design guidelines.

2977
02:25:47,120 --> 02:25:50,800
These standards and guidelines are

2978
02:25:48,880 --> 02:25:52,479
organized into building standards,

2979
02:25:50,800 --> 02:25:55,200
performance standards, and allowable

2980
02:25:52,479 --> 02:25:56,880
uses. There are projectwide building

2981
02:25:55,200 --> 02:25:58,560
standards which control characteristics

2982
02:25:56,880 --> 02:26:01,760
of development including building height

2983
02:25:58,560 --> 02:26:03,920
and scale, towers, ground floor design

2984
02:26:01,760 --> 02:26:05,680
and public realm. And then there are

2985
02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:07,520
building standards that are specific to

2986
02:26:05,680 --> 02:26:12,359
a range of residential and commercial

2987
02:26:07,520 --> 02:26:12,359
building types. Next slide.

2988
02:26:13,120 --> 02:26:18,640
Performance standards control lighting,

2989
02:26:15,600 --> 02:26:20,640
bird safe design, landscaping, noise and

2990
02:26:18,640 --> 02:26:22,640
vibration.

2991
02:26:20,640 --> 02:26:24,160
and allowable uses establish what

2992
02:26:22,640 --> 02:26:26,240
specific uses are permitted,

2993
02:26:24,160 --> 02:26:28,880
conditional, or prohibited in each land

2994
02:26:26,240 --> 02:26:31,840
use designation, as well as establishing

2995
02:26:28,880 --> 02:26:34,479
active ground floor requirements.

2996
02:26:31,840 --> 02:26:38,160
Now, note that uses not listed in table

2997
02:26:34,479 --> 02:26:40,160
3.4.1 allowable uses are prohibited

2998
02:26:38,160 --> 02:26:42,240
unless determined to be similar to a

2999
02:26:40,160 --> 02:26:43,760
listed use through an administrative

3000
02:26:42,240 --> 02:26:45,760
interpretation by the community

3001
02:26:43,760 --> 02:26:49,000
development director.

3002
02:26:45,760 --> 02:26:49,000
Next slide.

3003
02:26:50,080 --> 02:26:54,560
So, as we discussed at the last meeting,

3004
02:26:52,319 --> 02:26:58,240
chapter 4 establishes the requirement to

3005
02:26:54,560 --> 02:27:00,800
dedicate 148.4 acres of land for

3006
02:26:58,240 --> 02:27:03,359
recreational and habitat restoration,

3007
02:27:00,800 --> 02:27:04,960
conservation, and open space. This

3008
02:27:03,359 --> 02:27:08,160
exceeds the general plan requirement

3009
02:27:04,960 --> 02:27:11,200
that a minimum of 25% of the plan's year

3010
02:27:08,160 --> 02:27:13,040
2,100 land area be preserved as open

3011
02:27:11,200 --> 02:27:15,680
space.

3012
02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:18,560
The approximately 26 acres expected to

3013
02:27:15,680 --> 02:27:20,880
be inundated daily by 2,100 due to sea

3014
02:27:18,560 --> 02:27:23,680
level rise are not counted towards that

3015
02:27:20,880 --> 02:27:25,920
25% requirement.

3016
02:27:23,680 --> 02:27:28,319
Chapter 5, conservation in open space

3017
02:27:25,920 --> 02:27:30,479
then establishes how that land creates a

3018
02:27:28,319 --> 02:27:33,720
network of open spaces and amenities.

3019
02:27:30,479 --> 02:27:33,720
Next slide.

3020
02:27:34,560 --> 02:27:38,399
Now, that is accomplished by defining

3021
02:27:36,479 --> 02:27:40,479
and locating a range of open space

3022
02:27:38,399 --> 02:27:42,160
typologies across the plan area with

3023
02:27:40,479 --> 02:27:43,760
conceptual programming and design

3024
02:27:42,160 --> 02:27:45,280
guidance.

3025
02:27:43,760 --> 02:27:48,080
Note that chapter 3 includes

3026
02:27:45,280 --> 02:27:50,080
requirements for open area per unit,

3027
02:27:48,080 --> 02:27:52,560
which may include private or common

3028
02:27:50,080 --> 02:27:55,040
areas such as balconies, patios,

3029
02:27:52,560 --> 02:27:57,840
courtyards, usable setbacks, outdoor

3030
02:27:55,040 --> 02:28:00,479
recreation area, and rooftop gardens or

3031
02:27:57,840 --> 02:28:03,359
decks. And these open areas are separate

3032
02:28:00,479 --> 02:28:07,720
from the 148 acre public open space

3033
02:28:03,359 --> 02:28:07,720
requirement. Next slide.

3034
02:28:09,359 --> 02:28:14,319
Now, the plan protects against the

3035
02:28:11,520 --> 02:28:16,560
100-year flood, including 100 years of

3036
02:28:14,319 --> 02:28:19,760
projected sea level rise primarily

3037
02:28:16,560 --> 02:28:22,240
through three strategies. First, by

3038
02:28:19,760 --> 02:28:24,560
prohibiting development on 26 acres

3039
02:28:22,240 --> 02:28:27,760
projected to experience daily inundation

3040
02:28:24,560 --> 02:28:29,439
by the year 20100.

3041
02:28:27,760 --> 02:28:31,120
Areas subject to increased title

3042
02:28:29,439 --> 02:28:33,760
inundation due to their proximity to

3043
02:28:31,120 --> 02:28:36,319
Visitation Creek and Brisbane Lagoon are

3044
02:28:33,760 --> 02:28:38,319
proposed to be open space with gradients

3045
02:28:36,319 --> 02:28:41,120
of tidal and freshwater wetlands that

3046
02:28:38,319 --> 02:28:44,399
can adjust to sea level rise.

3047
02:28:41,120 --> 02:28:46,319
Second, the plan uh is to grade and

3048
02:28:44,399 --> 02:28:49,120
maintain minimum protection against

3049
02:28:46,319 --> 02:28:51,200
flooding and sea level rise. Public

3050
02:28:49,120 --> 02:28:52,640
infrastructure as well as residential,

3051
02:28:51,200 --> 02:28:54,720
commercial, and institutional

3052
02:28:52,640 --> 02:28:57,840
development are proposed at elevations

3053
02:28:54,720 --> 02:28:59,760
above the 100year flood, plus an

3054
02:28:57,840 --> 02:29:03,040
allowance for more than six feet of sea

3055
02:28:59,760 --> 02:29:05,280
level rise. And third, improve and

3056
02:29:03,040 --> 02:29:07,520
manage ecological and hydraologic

3057
02:29:05,280 --> 02:29:09,600
functionality of the plant through a

3058
02:29:07,520 --> 02:29:11,280
network of public green spaces that's

3059
02:29:09,600 --> 02:29:13,439
connected to the Brisbane Lagoon and

3060
02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:15,280
Visitation Creek.

3061
02:29:13,439 --> 02:29:17,520
This network will be designed to capture

3062
02:29:15,280 --> 02:29:19,520
storm water, direct and treat seasonal

3063
02:29:17,520 --> 02:29:21,120
runoff via multiple green infrastructure

3064
02:29:19,520 --> 02:29:23,439
strategies, and establish

3065
02:29:21,120 --> 02:29:28,840
echohhydraological landscape typologies

3066
02:29:23,439 --> 02:29:28,840
appropriate to the region. Next slide.

3067
02:29:30,640 --> 02:29:36,000
Now, the EIR used the state's most

3068
02:29:33,040 --> 02:29:38,640
recent guidance to evaluate the plan.

3069
02:29:36,000 --> 02:29:41,200
This guidance estimates that 6.5 ft of

3070
02:29:38,640 --> 02:29:43,359
sea level rise has less than a one in

3071
02:29:41,200 --> 02:29:45,920
1,000 chance of being exceeded by the

3072
02:29:43,359 --> 02:29:49,040
year 201100.

3073
02:29:45,920 --> 02:29:52,000
Relative to the 2018 state guidance, the

3074
02:29:49,040 --> 02:29:54,399
2024 state guidance notes that existing

3075
02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:56,880
and ongoing efforts to analyze and plan

3076
02:29:54,399 --> 02:29:58,560
for the impacts of sea level rise should

3077
02:29:56,880 --> 02:30:01,200
be able to proceed with little to no

3078
02:29:58,560 --> 02:30:03,200
adjustments. There are likely very few

3079
02:30:01,200 --> 02:30:05,280
if any situations in which work will

3080
02:30:03,200 --> 02:30:08,479
need to be redone as a result of the new

3081
02:30:05,280 --> 02:30:10,319
sea level uh scenarios.

3082
02:30:08,479 --> 02:30:13,040
In the very unlikely scenario that sea

3083
02:30:10,319 --> 02:30:16,479
level rise does exceed 6.5 ft by the

3084
02:30:13,040 --> 02:30:18,240
year 2011 or into the 22nd century,

3085
02:30:16,479 --> 02:30:20,479
potential adaptation measures that are

3086
02:30:18,240 --> 02:30:22,479
being considered for lowerlying Bay Area

3087
02:30:20,479 --> 02:30:24,399
communities include shoreline flood

3088
02:30:22,479 --> 02:30:26,080
protection barriers such as levies or

3089
02:30:24,399 --> 02:30:30,960
flood walls integrated with na

3090
02:30:26,080 --> 02:30:30,960
nature-based solutions. Next slide.

3091
02:30:32,000 --> 02:30:36,160
Finally, the plan requires that the

3092
02:30:34,080 --> 02:30:38,080
historic roundhouse be preserved and

3093
02:30:36,160 --> 02:30:40,000
repurposed to serve as one of the main

3094
02:30:38,080 --> 02:30:42,880
focal points on the western side of the

3095
02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:45,600
balance. That includes creation of a

3096
02:30:42,880 --> 02:30:47,680
roundhouse park, implementation of a

3097
02:30:45,600 --> 02:30:49,439
five-stage plan for restoration and

3098
02:30:47,680 --> 02:30:52,720
adaptive reuse of the historic

3099
02:30:49,439 --> 02:30:54,960
roundhouse and regulations in chapter 3

3100
02:30:52,720 --> 02:30:57,600
requiring all balance development within

3101
02:30:54,960 --> 02:31:00,399
50 ft of the roundhouse or the machinery

3102
02:30:57,600 --> 02:31:02,319
and equipment building to be designed to

3103
02:31:00,399 --> 02:31:05,040
ensure their architectural compatibility

3104
02:31:02,319 --> 02:31:09,080
with those historic structures. And with

3105
02:31:05,040 --> 02:31:09,080
that, I'll pass it back to staff.

3106
02:31:09,120 --> 02:31:13,040
» Thanks, Eric. Uh, next slide. As as we

3107
02:31:11,840 --> 02:31:14,960
mentioned at the start of the meeting,

3108
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:17,040
staff isn't asking the council to make a

3109
02:31:14,960 --> 02:31:19,680
final recommendation or take any votes

3110
02:31:17,040 --> 02:31:20,800
tonight. We're sharing uh staff's uh one

3111
02:31:19,680 --> 02:31:22,560
more slide, please. We're sharing

3112
02:31:20,800 --> 02:31:24,960
staff's overall recommendation again for

3113
02:31:22,560 --> 02:31:27,040
context. This slide is the same one you

3114
02:31:24,960 --> 02:31:29,280
saw on September 14th. Uh real briefly,

3115
02:31:27,040 --> 02:31:31,120
it staff's recommendation is to certify

3116
02:31:29,280 --> 02:31:32,960
the final environmental impact report

3117
02:31:31,120 --> 02:31:34,880
for the Bayland specific plan and

3118
02:31:32,960 --> 02:31:36,720
improve the project entitlements

3119
02:31:34,880 --> 02:31:38,399
including the general plan and zoning

3120
02:31:36,720 --> 02:31:40,479
ordinance amendments, adoption of the

3121
02:31:38,399 --> 02:31:42,960
Bayland specific plan and approval of

3122
02:31:40,479 --> 02:31:44,319
the Beayshore mobility plan. And if the

3123
02:31:42,960 --> 02:31:46,319
project is approved, the council would

3124
02:31:44,319 --> 02:31:47,840
also adopt findings of fact and a

3125
02:31:46,319 --> 02:31:49,439
statement of overriding considerations

3126
02:31:47,840 --> 02:31:52,640
and a mitigation monitoring and

3127
02:31:49,439 --> 02:31:54,560
reporting program. Next slide.

3128
02:31:52,640 --> 02:31:55,920
Along with its final recommendation to

3129
02:31:54,560 --> 02:31:58,000
the council, the planning commission

3130
02:31:55,920 --> 02:32:00,240
also endorsed additional modifications

3131
02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:01,359
to the specific plan. This slide

3132
02:32:00,240 --> 02:32:03,200
indicates the commission's

3133
02:32:01,359 --> 02:32:05,760
recommendations related to tonight's

3134
02:32:03,200 --> 02:32:08,880
presentation and a topic for the council

3135
02:32:05,760 --> 02:32:11,760
to consider. So it's one is to change

3136
02:32:08,880 --> 02:32:13,600
the biosafety level BSL threshold for

3137
02:32:11,760 --> 02:32:16,640
conditionally permitted life science

3138
02:32:13,600 --> 02:32:19,359
uses from biosafety level four and above

3139
02:32:16,640 --> 02:32:21,040
to level three and above. The specific

3140
02:32:19,359 --> 02:32:23,520
plan currently mirrors the existing

3141
02:32:21,040 --> 02:32:26,560
zoning requirements in the city for BSL

3142
02:32:23,520 --> 02:32:28,479
levels at Sierra Point. Two, retain the

3143
02:32:26,560 --> 02:32:30,720
Mission Blue Nursery in its current

3144
02:32:28,479 --> 02:32:32,399
location. The nursery is located at the

3145
02:32:30,720 --> 02:32:34,479
southern end of the Baylands within the

3146
02:32:32,399 --> 02:32:36,560
Ice House Hill area and the plan

3147
02:32:34,479 --> 02:32:38,720
proposes relocating it to a publicly

3148
02:32:36,560 --> 02:32:41,359
accessible site on the south side of Ice

3149
02:32:38,720 --> 02:32:43,439
House Hill, just a little north. and EI

3150
02:32:41,359 --> 02:32:45,840
mitigation requires that the nursery not

3151
02:32:43,439 --> 02:32:48,240
be displaced and its current site not be

3152
02:32:45,840 --> 02:32:50,240
disturbed until the new site is fully

3153
02:32:48,240 --> 02:32:52,399
ready for operations.

3154
02:32:50,240 --> 02:32:54,319
Three, implement staff's recommended

3155
02:32:52,399 --> 02:32:56,720
clarifications presented at the July

3156
02:32:54,319 --> 02:32:58,960
23rd planning commission meeting. These

3157
02:32:56,720 --> 02:33:01,760
clarifications affirm that hospitality

3158
02:32:58,960 --> 02:33:03,920
uses and building types are permitted in

3159
02:33:01,760 --> 02:33:06,240
the high and medium density commercial

3160
02:33:03,920 --> 02:33:07,920
districts and that minimum residential

3161
02:33:06,240 --> 02:33:11,040
density and commercial intensity

3162
02:33:07,920 --> 02:33:13,120
standards apply on an average basis by

3163
02:33:11,040 --> 02:33:15,200
land use designation rather than block

3164
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:16,720
byblock. These changes improve

3165
02:33:15,200 --> 02:33:19,439
administrative implementation of the

3166
02:33:16,720 --> 02:33:21,680
plan. And four, consider requiring

3167
02:33:19,439 --> 02:33:23,280
conservation easements for open space as

3168
02:33:21,680 --> 02:33:25,439
suggested by written correspondence

3169
02:33:23,280 --> 02:33:26,800
received. While conservation easements

3170
02:33:25,439 --> 02:33:28,640
provide permanent legally binding

3171
02:33:26,800 --> 02:33:30,640
protection against development, the plan

3172
02:33:28,640 --> 02:33:32,800
already prohibits development within any

3173
02:33:30,640 --> 02:33:35,439
area designated as open space through

3174
02:33:32,800 --> 02:33:37,520
its land use plan and permitted uses by

3175
02:33:35,439 --> 02:33:38,880
land use designation.

3176
02:33:37,520 --> 02:33:40,399
Staff is available to provide more

3177
02:33:38,880 --> 02:33:42,720
information regarding these topic

3178
02:33:40,399 --> 02:33:44,471
specific commission recommendations.

3179
02:33:42,720 --> 02:33:45,680
Next slide.

3180
02:33:44,471 --> 02:33:47,760
[clears throat]

3181
02:33:45,680 --> 02:33:50,240
And then one more. We're wrapping up

3182
02:33:47,760 --> 02:33:52,000
here.

3183
02:33:50,240 --> 02:33:54,160
Okay. Uh we have one last reminder of

3184
02:33:52,000 --> 02:33:57,040
the upcoming hearings, dates and topics.

3185
02:33:54,160 --> 02:33:59,280
Again, transportation and um is coming

3186
02:33:57,040 --> 02:34:01,120
up on the 6th. Then we have phasing and

3187
02:33:59,280 --> 02:34:03,120
remediation on the 15th, water

3188
02:34:01,120 --> 02:34:04,319
infrastructure on the 20th. Uh again,

3189
02:34:03,120 --> 02:34:06,640
we're happy to adjust the schedule

3190
02:34:04,319 --> 02:34:09,280
further if the council would like. Next

3191
02:34:06,640 --> 02:34:11,359
slide, and we'll conclude staff's

3192
02:34:09,280 --> 02:34:12,960
presentation. So, at this time, the

3193
02:34:11,359 --> 02:34:14,960
applicant is ready to address the

3194
02:34:12,960 --> 02:34:16,800
council. Uh following BDI's

3195
02:34:14,960 --> 02:34:18,800
presentation, the council may ask any

3196
02:34:16,800 --> 02:34:20,880
questions about tonight's presentation.

3197
02:34:18,800 --> 02:34:22,800
Uh staff will answer what we can now and

3198
02:34:20,880 --> 02:34:25,520
note anything that requires more review

3199
02:34:22,800 --> 02:34:26,960
for a future hearing. Once the council

3200
02:34:25,520 --> 02:34:28,560
questions or comments are completed, the

3201
02:34:26,960 --> 02:34:30,640
council may open the floor for public

3202
02:34:28,560 --> 02:34:32,080
comment on tonight's topics. Staff will

3203
02:34:30,640 --> 02:34:33,920
again track questions from the public

3204
02:34:32,080 --> 02:34:35,600
and respond at the end of the meeting

3205
02:34:33,920 --> 02:34:36,880
where possible. And if we need more

3206
02:34:35,600 --> 02:34:38,880
time, we'll come back at a future

3207
02:34:36,880 --> 02:34:40,960
meeting. Uh after public comment, staff

3208
02:34:38,880 --> 02:34:42,479
is ready to receive clear council

3209
02:34:40,960 --> 02:34:44,479
direction on the items discussed

3210
02:34:42,479 --> 02:34:46,640
tonight. I'll give a quick summary. It's

3211
02:34:44,479 --> 02:34:49,439
the kind of broader measure JJ topics

3212
02:34:46,640 --> 02:34:51,920
and specific policy refinements. So,

3213
02:34:49,439 --> 02:34:54,240
it's going to be measure JJ and design

3214
02:34:51,920 --> 02:34:55,840
topics, distribution and intensity of

3215
02:34:54,240 --> 02:34:57,920
those land uses that you saw from from

3216
02:34:55,840 --> 02:35:00,160
Eric, location of open spaces and

3217
02:34:57,920 --> 02:35:02,319
amenities, the specific plans interface

3218
02:35:00,160 --> 02:35:05,120
with sea level rise and related design

3219
02:35:02,319 --> 02:35:06,960
topics on the objective design standards

3220
02:35:05,120 --> 02:35:09,280
and design guidelines in the plan and

3221
02:35:06,960 --> 02:35:11,760
the treatment of the roundhouse. And

3222
02:35:09,280 --> 02:35:13,280
then the kind of the the topics from the

3223
02:35:11,760 --> 02:35:15,200
planning commission, whether to require

3224
02:35:13,280 --> 02:35:17,040
conditional use permits for BSL level

3225
02:35:15,200 --> 02:35:18,399
three and above, whether to retain the

3226
02:35:17,040 --> 02:35:20,319
mission blue nursery in its current

3227
02:35:18,399 --> 02:35:21,920
location, whether to clarify that

3228
02:35:20,319 --> 02:35:24,319
hospitality uses and building types are

3229
02:35:21,920 --> 02:35:27,200
permitted in medium and highdensity

3230
02:35:24,319 --> 02:35:29,120
commercial, and whether to confirm the

3231
02:35:27,200 --> 02:35:30,479
minimum uh excuse me, and whether the

3232
02:35:29,120 --> 02:35:32,560
council wishes to consider requiring

3233
02:35:30,479 --> 02:35:34,960
conservation easements for designated

3234
02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:37,120
open areas.

3235
02:35:34,960 --> 02:35:38,800
Um, finally, uh, before concluding the

3236
02:35:37,120 --> 02:35:40,240
meeting, uh, staff recommends continuing

3237
02:35:38,800 --> 02:35:44,640
the public hearing to a special meeting

3238
02:35:40,240 --> 02:35:47,120
on October 6 at 5:30 p.m.

3239
02:35:44,640 --> 02:35:50,120
Okay. I believe the applicant has a

3240
02:35:47,120 --> 02:35:50,120
presentation.

3241
02:35:52,240 --> 02:35:56,680
We have a few slides.

3242
02:36:02,479 --> 02:36:07,120
Great.

3243
02:36:04,640 --> 02:36:08,560
Good evening, Mayor Mackin, city council

3244
02:36:07,120 --> 02:36:10,880
members. Thank you for the opportunity

3245
02:36:08,560 --> 02:36:13,600
to speak with you tonight. I am Katie

3246
02:36:10,880 --> 02:36:16,240
Loic Sunday. I'm part of the team at the

3247
02:36:13,600 --> 02:36:18,960
Baylands and I'm also joined tonight by

3248
02:36:16,240 --> 02:36:21,920
um BKF who you've already heard from as

3249
02:36:18,960 --> 02:36:23,920
well as OJB Landscape Architects and our

3250
02:36:21,920 --> 02:36:26,880
project designer. All of whom who have

3251
02:36:23,920 --> 02:36:29,680
been with the project since um shortly

3252
02:36:26,880 --> 02:36:31,680
after measure JJ or in James' case since

3253
02:36:29,680 --> 02:36:33,520
I think 2006.

3254
02:36:31,680 --> 02:36:35,280
Um, so we have a wealth of knowledge

3255
02:36:33,520 --> 02:36:38,920
here with us tonight. If we could go to

3256
02:36:35,280 --> 02:36:38,920
the next slide, please.

3257
02:36:42,720 --> 02:36:46,479
» One moment.

3258
02:36:44,000 --> 02:36:48,960
» Okay, no worries.

3259
02:36:46,479 --> 02:36:51,120
Um, as we're moving on to the next

3260
02:36:48,960 --> 02:36:53,040
slide, um, I'd like to begin the

3261
02:36:51,120 --> 02:36:56,000
presentation tonight by talking about

3262
02:36:53,040 --> 02:36:58,240
the land use map and providing some

3263
02:36:56,000 --> 02:37:01,240
details on the characteristics of each

3264
02:36:58,240 --> 02:37:01,240
district.

3265
02:37:03,439 --> 02:37:07,520
I'll explain them while we're getting

3266
02:37:04,960 --> 02:37:10,560
the slides going and then uh you'll get

3267
02:37:07,520 --> 02:37:12,560
a visual in a minute. So, starting at

3268
02:37:10,560 --> 02:37:15,280
the north of the map, which I'm sure

3269
02:37:12,560 --> 02:37:17,280
you've all seen, is uh the Beayshore

3270
02:37:15,280 --> 02:37:19,200
District and this is the northern

3271
02:37:17,280 --> 02:37:21,520
gateway to the Baylands, this district

3272
02:37:19,200 --> 02:37:24,880
covers the area west of the Cal Train

3273
02:37:21,520 --> 02:37:26,800
tracks and north of Geneva Avenue. This

3274
02:37:24,880 --> 02:37:29,120
district is the most urban transit

3275
02:37:26,800 --> 02:37:31,120
oriented area in the specific plan. It

3276
02:37:29,120 --> 02:37:33,680
concentrates highdensity uses near the

3277
02:37:31,120 --> 02:37:36,000
beayshore Calr station while lower

3278
02:37:33,680 --> 02:37:40,080
density housing at the western edge.

3279
02:37:36,000 --> 02:37:42,240
Thank you. Um provides for transition to

3280
02:37:40,080 --> 02:37:44,240
the surrounding neighborhoods. Um so

3281
02:37:42,240 --> 02:37:46,479
again we were just talking about that

3282
02:37:44,240 --> 02:37:48,399
northwestern quadrant and we call that

3283
02:37:46,479 --> 02:37:50,399
the beayhore district. So when we move

3284
02:37:48,399 --> 02:37:52,560
south of Geneva in that area that you

3285
02:37:50,399 --> 02:37:55,359
see is uh predominant predominantly

3286
02:37:52,560 --> 02:37:56,800
yellow um that is the roundhouse

3287
02:37:55,359 --> 02:37:59,120
district. So, as you heard, that

3288
02:37:56,800 --> 02:38:01,680
district really frames the historic

3289
02:37:59,120 --> 02:38:04,479
Roundhouse Park, and it features a mix

3290
02:38:01,680 --> 02:38:07,520
of single family, town home, and multif

3291
02:38:04,479 --> 02:38:09,280
family housing types. These two

3292
02:38:07,520 --> 02:38:11,760
northwest districts, Beayshore and

3293
02:38:09,280 --> 02:38:14,240
Roundhouse, are the only districts in

3294
02:38:11,760 --> 02:38:18,080
the Bayins that allow for residential

3295
02:38:14,240 --> 02:38:19,600
uses. As we continue um further south,

3296
02:38:18,080 --> 02:38:22,080
we go south of Main Street, you see

3297
02:38:19,600 --> 02:38:24,240
those purple areas. That last district

3298
02:38:22,080 --> 02:38:26,160
on the west side is the Ice House Hill

3299
02:38:24,240 --> 02:38:27,760
district. in that area begins, as I

3300
02:38:26,160 --> 02:38:30,479
said, south of Main Street and

3301
02:38:27,760 --> 02:38:33,200
encompasses ecological park as well as

3302
02:38:30,479 --> 02:38:36,640
Ice House Hill. And this district

3303
02:38:33,200 --> 02:38:39,280
includes midrise um and research

3304
02:38:36,640 --> 02:38:42,160
buildings as well as retail and public

3305
02:38:39,280 --> 02:38:44,240
gathering spaces. As we go across the

3306
02:38:42,160 --> 02:38:46,240
Cal Train onto the east side of the

3307
02:38:44,240 --> 02:38:48,720
property, the campus east district

3308
02:38:46,240 --> 02:38:50,800
provides for lowdensity commercial

3309
02:38:48,720 --> 02:38:52,960
office development. And this district

3310
02:38:50,800 --> 02:38:55,760
also provides trail connections to the

3311
02:38:52,960 --> 02:38:57,359
Bay Trail and to the Visitation Creek

3312
02:38:55,760 --> 02:38:58,880
Park.

3313
02:38:57,359 --> 02:39:00,960
Also on the east side, we have the

3314
02:38:58,880 --> 02:39:02,640
sustainability district which provides

3315
02:39:00,960 --> 02:39:05,040
the essential infrastructure and

3316
02:39:02,640 --> 02:39:06,960
renewable energy that enable the balance

3317
02:39:05,040 --> 02:39:09,520
to function as a climate resilient

3318
02:39:06,960 --> 02:39:11,840
community. All of these districts are

3319
02:39:09,520 --> 02:39:14,479
connected by an accessible award-winning

3320
02:39:11,840 --> 02:39:17,520
open space system which makes up more

3321
02:39:14,479 --> 02:39:20,800
than 25% of the property as is required

3322
02:39:17,520 --> 02:39:23,280
by measure JJ. Each of these open spaces

3323
02:39:20,800 --> 02:39:25,280
are intended to preserve, enhance, and

3324
02:39:23,280 --> 02:39:27,359
protect the ecological areas while

3325
02:39:25,280 --> 02:39:30,240
balancing the needs of the community and

3326
02:39:27,359 --> 02:39:32,160
protection of habitat resources. And

3327
02:39:30,240 --> 02:39:34,319
throughout the project, um there's also

3328
02:39:32,160 --> 02:39:36,399
an extensive bike and pedestrian network

3329
02:39:34,319 --> 02:39:38,319
that connects the surrounding areas to

3330
02:39:36,399 --> 02:39:40,640
the balin so that everyone can enjoy

3331
02:39:38,319 --> 02:39:42,560
these new spaces. And we will be talking

3332
02:39:40,640 --> 02:39:45,280
more about that when we get to

3333
02:39:42,560 --> 02:39:47,680
circulation um which I believe is next

3334
02:39:45,280 --> 02:39:49,280
week. And then one last thing I want to

3335
02:39:47,680 --> 02:39:52,080
point out on this slide before we move

3336
02:39:49,280 --> 02:39:55,280
on. Um so this map that we have right

3337
02:39:52,080 --> 02:39:57,600
here is actually the land use map. Um

3338
02:39:55,280 --> 02:39:59,200
that was the original version in BDI

3339
02:39:57,600 --> 02:40:02,319
specific plan. So if you've seen the

3340
02:39:59,200 --> 02:40:04,720
2023 2025 versions of the specific plan,

3341
02:40:02,319 --> 02:40:06,720
they have this map. As you just heard,

3342
02:40:04,720 --> 02:40:09,280
um, Brisbane city staff are recommending

3343
02:40:06,720 --> 02:40:11,840
some modifications to this map, which

3344
02:40:09,280 --> 02:40:14,240
would relocate, um, some of the high

3345
02:40:11,840 --> 02:40:16,800
density uses and then reduce the density

3346
02:40:14,240 --> 02:40:19,200
south of Geneva Avenue. But despite

3347
02:40:16,800 --> 02:40:20,720
these proposed changes, the overall plan

3348
02:40:19,200 --> 02:40:23,840
is the same framework that was

3349
02:40:20,720 --> 02:40:25,439
established by Measure JJ. 2200 units of

3350
02:40:23,840 --> 02:40:28,240
housing, 6 and a half million square

3351
02:40:25,439 --> 02:40:31,200
feet of commercial space, 500,000 square

3352
02:40:28,240 --> 02:40:34,319
feet of hotel, and more than 25% of the

3353
02:40:31,200 --> 02:40:37,439
land dedicated to open space. Next

3354
02:40:34,319 --> 02:40:39,200
slide, please.

3355
02:40:37,439 --> 02:40:40,720
So, just like every aspect of the

3356
02:40:39,200 --> 02:40:42,720
specific plan, the balance

3357
02:40:40,720 --> 02:40:44,880
infrastructure is guided by the general

3358
02:40:42,720 --> 02:40:48,000
plan provisions established by measure

3359
02:40:44,880 --> 02:40:50,160
JJ. One of those provisions is that the

3360
02:40:48,000 --> 02:40:50,800
development shall be designed to protect

3361
02:40:50,160 --> 02:40:53,760
uses [clears throat]

3362
02:40:50,800 --> 02:40:56,560
from the 100red-year flood, including

3363
02:40:53,760 --> 02:40:58,399
100 years of projected sea level rise.

3364
02:40:56,560 --> 02:41:00,399
To develop a resilient site, the

3365
02:40:58,399 --> 02:41:03,520
specific plan includes a combination of

3366
02:41:00,399 --> 02:41:05,760
permanent sea level resale level rise

3367
02:41:03,520 --> 02:41:08,000
designs and adaptive approaches that

3368
02:41:05,760 --> 02:41:10,240
allow the infrastructure to be adjusted

3369
02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:12,800
over time in response to the actual

3370
02:41:10,240 --> 02:41:15,280
measured sea level rise. Some of these

3371
02:41:12,800 --> 02:41:17,439
measures include raising the elevation

3372
02:41:15,280 --> 02:41:19,600
of the site so that the finished floors

3373
02:41:17,439 --> 02:41:22,160
are protected from future sea level rise

3374
02:41:19,600 --> 02:41:24,960
and flooding risks, construction of

3375
02:41:22,160 --> 02:41:26,960
on-site uh storm drainage collection

3376
02:41:24,960 --> 02:41:28,479
facilities and drainage improvements,

3377
02:41:26,960 --> 02:41:31,200
some of which you can see in the graphic

3378
02:41:28,479 --> 02:41:34,080
on the slide, establishing a new storm

3379
02:41:31,200 --> 02:41:36,240
water detention area, and also planting

3380
02:41:34,080 --> 02:41:39,359
vegetated slopes that diminish wave

3381
02:41:36,240 --> 02:41:41,680
force, provide refuge to marsh wildlife,

3382
02:41:39,359 --> 02:41:44,640
and provide plant community migration.

3383
02:41:41,680 --> 02:41:47,280
space. These approaches prepare

3384
02:41:44,640 --> 02:41:49,920
buildings, roadways, and open space

3385
02:41:47,280 --> 02:41:53,040
areas for both sea level rise risks and

3386
02:41:49,920 --> 02:41:56,680
associated flooding potential.

3387
02:41:53,040 --> 02:41:56,680
Next slide, please.

3388
02:41:57,760 --> 02:42:01,600
Um, so Eric already covered some of

3389
02:41:59,680 --> 02:42:03,920
this, but I'll talk a little bit about

3390
02:42:01,600 --> 02:42:05,840
the design standards in the balance. So,

3391
02:42:03,920 --> 02:42:07,520
the Balin's specific plan includes

3392
02:42:05,840 --> 02:42:10,479
multi-layered standards that create

3393
02:42:07,520 --> 02:42:12,479
unique quality for each block, district,

3394
02:42:10,479 --> 02:42:14,560
and building while allowing for

3395
02:42:12,479 --> 02:42:16,640
flexibility and variation throughout the

3396
02:42:14,560 --> 02:42:18,720
project. These standards set the

3397
02:42:16,640 --> 02:42:21,520
allowable parameters for everything from

3398
02:42:18,720 --> 02:42:23,840
building heights and facade design to

3399
02:42:21,520 --> 02:42:26,720
entryway elements and rooftop mechanical

3400
02:42:23,840 --> 02:42:29,120
systems. Our design approach emphasizes

3401
02:42:26,720 --> 02:42:31,840
neighborhood compatibility while also

3402
02:42:29,120 --> 02:42:33,840
recognizing, preserving, and celebrating

3403
02:42:31,840 --> 02:42:35,920
the unique aspects of the site. For

3404
02:42:33,840 --> 02:42:38,080
example, the historic roundhouse that

3405
02:42:35,920 --> 02:42:40,479
you also heard about. As you may be

3406
02:42:38,080 --> 02:42:42,720
aware, the roundhouse is a large brick

3407
02:42:40,479 --> 02:42:45,680
building that was once used for the

3408
02:42:42,720 --> 02:42:49,120
Southern Pacific Railroad to conduct

3409
02:42:45,680 --> 02:42:51,120
daily maintenance on their trains. Um it

3410
02:42:49,120 --> 02:42:52,880
is one of the few remaining round houses

3411
02:42:51,120 --> 02:42:55,520
in the state and the specific plan

3412
02:42:52,880 --> 02:42:58,560
includes the rehabilitation of that pro

3413
02:42:55,520 --> 02:43:01,439
of that building to celebrate the legacy

3414
02:42:58,560 --> 02:43:03,359
of the site. Roundhouse Park will be a

3415
02:43:01,439 --> 02:43:05,359
unique multi-purpose feature of the

3416
02:43:03,359 --> 02:43:08,000
Baylands. And some of the proposed uses,

3417
02:43:05,359 --> 02:43:11,120
which you can see on the slide here, are

3418
02:43:08,000 --> 02:43:13,520
a flexible lawn, outdoor dining, an art

3419
02:43:11,120 --> 02:43:16,000
and history garden, event pavilion,

3420
02:43:13,520 --> 02:43:18,560
birmed seating, and an open air theater

3421
02:43:16,000 --> 02:43:21,120
that utilizes the cast iron columns and

3422
02:43:18,560 --> 02:43:22,880
beams at the inner curved wall of the

3423
02:43:21,120 --> 02:43:24,640
roundhouse.

3424
02:43:22,880 --> 02:43:26,800
And that's all I have to cover, and I'll

3425
02:43:24,640 --> 02:43:30,960
turn it over to Stephanie Shakovsky to

3426
02:43:26,800 --> 02:43:30,960
finish our presentation. Thank you.

3427
02:43:33,280 --> 02:43:37,359
Good evening, mayor, council members.

3428
02:43:35,600 --> 02:43:39,520
Once again, Stephanie Shakovski with the

3429
02:43:37,359 --> 02:43:41,520
balance project.

3430
02:43:39,520 --> 02:43:45,760
Um, [clears throat] as we've been

3431
02:43:41,520 --> 02:43:48,319
talking about, we all know that this EIR

3432
02:43:45,760 --> 02:43:52,399
and this specific plan is going to shape

3433
02:43:48,319 --> 02:43:56,080
this project for generations.

3434
02:43:52,399 --> 02:43:58,560
And so to deliver the housing, the parks

3435
02:43:56,080 --> 02:44:01,760
and the community benefits outlined in

3436
02:43:58,560 --> 02:44:05,439
the plan, these documents

3437
02:44:01,760 --> 02:44:07,680
must be economically viable

3438
02:44:05,439 --> 02:44:09,920
and flexible enough to adapt to both

3439
02:44:07,680 --> 02:44:13,479
market conditions and the realities of

3440
02:44:09,920 --> 02:44:13,479
long-term operation.

3441
02:44:13,680 --> 02:44:21,040
We have asked the council um in a letter

3442
02:44:17,359 --> 02:44:23,439
that we sent last week to consider three

3443
02:44:21,040 --> 02:44:25,520
changes to the city's current proposed

3444
02:44:23,439 --> 02:44:28,560
specific plan. And I'm going to quickly

3445
02:44:25,520 --> 02:44:30,720
run through those. First is that we

3446
02:44:28,560 --> 02:44:33,040
asked the council to remove the land

3447
02:44:30,720 --> 02:44:36,080
dedication for the highspeed rail light

3448
02:44:33,040 --> 02:44:37,600
maintenance facility.

3449
02:44:36,080 --> 02:44:39,040
As you know, the Bayands has been

3450
02:44:37,600 --> 02:44:41,760
opposed to this project from the

3451
02:44:39,040 --> 02:44:46,240
beginning, and we remain opposed to the

3452
02:44:41,760 --> 02:44:49,200
LMF at the Bays. Setting aside 45 acres

3453
02:44:46,240 --> 02:44:51,680
of potentially developable area for a

3454
02:44:49,200 --> 02:44:54,800
speculative future highspeed rail light

3455
02:44:51,680 --> 02:44:57,920
maintenance facility reduces our open

3456
02:44:54,800 --> 02:44:59,680
space negatively impacts our storm water

3457
02:44:57,920 --> 02:45:02,560
detention

3458
02:44:59,680 --> 02:45:04,160
and impedes the sustainabil sustainable

3459
02:45:02,560 --> 02:45:05,840
infrastructure projects on site

3460
02:45:04,160 --> 02:45:07,600
particularly our battery storage

3461
02:45:05,840 --> 02:45:09,840
project.

3462
02:45:07,600 --> 02:45:12,160
It's also important to recognize that a

3463
02:45:09,840 --> 02:45:15,279
high-speed rail light maintenance

3464
02:45:12,160 --> 02:45:18,399
facility was never contemplated as part

3465
02:45:15,279 --> 02:45:20,880
of measure JJ.

3466
02:45:18,399 --> 02:45:24,160
And so it's not an issue the Brisbane

3467
02:45:20,880 --> 02:45:26,000
community has voted on or weighed in on.

3468
02:45:24,160 --> 02:45:28,399
We ask the council to align the

3469
02:45:26,000 --> 02:45:30,720
bailand's land use program with the

3470
02:45:28,399 --> 02:45:33,120
general plan policy established by

3471
02:45:30,720 --> 02:45:36,160
measure JJ

3472
02:45:33,120 --> 02:45:38,160
and plan these 45 acres for the balance

3473
02:45:36,160 --> 02:45:40,000
sustainability open space and our

3474
02:45:38,160 --> 02:45:41,600
infrastructure.

3475
02:45:40,000 --> 02:45:44,960
If the highspeed rail authority

3476
02:45:41,600 --> 02:45:46,399
eventually decides to proceed, they can

3477
02:45:44,960 --> 02:45:48,960
acquire the property through a

3478
02:45:46,399 --> 02:45:53,040
negotiated purchase agreement

3479
02:45:48,960 --> 02:45:54,880
or the typical eminent domain process.

3480
02:45:53,040 --> 02:45:57,680
The city's settlement with the highspeed

3481
02:45:54,880 --> 02:46:00,720
rail authority gives the council, this

3482
02:45:57,680 --> 02:46:04,439
council, the final decision. It is the

3483
02:46:00,720 --> 02:46:04,439
council's decision

3484
02:46:04,560 --> 02:46:10,000
to adopt the balance specific plan

3485
02:46:07,680 --> 02:46:11,840
without the LMF area and we would

3486
02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:13,760
respectfully ask that you consider doing

3487
02:46:11,840 --> 02:46:16,240
so.

3488
02:46:13,760 --> 02:46:18,800
Um, second, we ask the council to allow

3489
02:46:16,240 --> 02:46:21,920
interimm uses that support the balance

3490
02:46:18,800 --> 02:46:24,399
and makes way for the development. The

3491
02:46:21,920 --> 02:46:26,800
city's 2026 specific plan revisions

3492
02:46:24,399 --> 02:46:29,359
included new restrictions that ban

3493
02:46:26,800 --> 02:46:32,160
interimm uses on the property outside of

3494
02:46:29,359 --> 02:46:34,720
the outside of the 45 acres of the LMF

3495
02:46:32,160 --> 02:46:36,720
set aside and prevents existing interm

3496
02:46:34,720 --> 02:46:38,960
uses from continuing once their permits

3497
02:46:36,720 --> 02:46:42,479
expire.

3498
02:46:38,960 --> 02:46:44,240
Interimm uses create important

3499
02:46:42,479 --> 02:46:46,080
really important revenue streams that

3500
02:46:44,240 --> 02:46:47,220
help support our current environmental

3501
02:46:46,080 --> 02:46:49,680
maintenance and environmental cleanup

3502
02:46:47,220 --> 02:46:52,800
[clears throat] obligations.

3503
02:46:49,680 --> 02:46:55,200
Uh we understand the city's concerns

3504
02:46:52,800 --> 02:46:57,359
related to compatibility of interm uses

3505
02:46:55,200 --> 02:46:59,520
and permanent development as well as the

3506
02:46:57,359 --> 02:47:02,800
concern related to interm uses that may

3507
02:46:59,520 --> 02:47:06,160
hinder the future development. But the

3508
02:47:02,800 --> 02:47:07,600
specific plan can easily address both

3509
02:47:06,160 --> 02:47:10,479
those issues directly through

3510
02:47:07,600 --> 02:47:12,800
enforceable operating requirements and

3511
02:47:10,479 --> 02:47:16,160
enforcable termination provisions for

3512
02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:18,080
those interimm uses.

3513
02:47:16,160 --> 02:47:20,080
Lastly,

3514
02:47:18,080 --> 02:47:23,359
we asked the council to broaden the

3515
02:47:20,080 --> 02:47:25,200
range of allowable commercial businesses

3516
02:47:23,359 --> 02:47:27,120
um that are currently under the

3517
02:47:25,200 --> 02:47:30,120
allowable uses table in the specific

3518
02:47:27,120 --> 02:47:30,120
plan.

3519
02:47:30,880 --> 02:47:36,240
Back in 2023 when the specific plan was

3520
02:47:33,920 --> 02:47:38,479
submitted and accepted by the city, it's

3521
02:47:36,240 --> 02:47:40,960
it had and still has a heavy emphasis on

3522
02:47:38,479 --> 02:47:43,200
biotech.

3523
02:47:40,960 --> 02:47:46,160
Uh while most market forecasters are

3524
02:47:43,200 --> 02:47:49,200
predicting that first a stabilization of

3525
02:47:46,160 --> 02:47:50,960
biotech and eventually a rebound of

3526
02:47:49,200 --> 02:47:53,120
biotech, particularly in South San

3527
02:47:50,960 --> 02:47:55,600
Francisco and the Brisbane market, no

3528
02:47:53,120 --> 02:47:57,200
one no one can [clears throat] know

3529
02:47:55,600 --> 02:48:00,479
today which businesses will be looking

3530
02:47:57,200 --> 02:48:02,479
for space at the bays.

3531
02:48:00,479 --> 02:48:04,640
Allowing a broader range of compatible

3532
02:48:02,479 --> 02:48:06,960
uses gives Brisbane more competitive

3533
02:48:04,640 --> 02:48:08,800
opportunities to attract employers and

3534
02:48:06,960 --> 02:48:11,760
fill the commercial space as demand

3535
02:48:08,800 --> 02:48:13,840
changes. We have requested the con the

3536
02:48:11,760 --> 02:48:15,840
council consider allowing the following

3537
02:48:13,840 --> 02:48:17,760
advanced manufacturing

3538
02:48:15,840 --> 02:48:20,479
warehousing for businesses to store

3539
02:48:17,760 --> 02:48:23,600
goods. We are not talking about large

3540
02:48:20,479 --> 02:48:25,680
fulfillment centers and lastly any

3541
02:48:23,600 --> 02:48:29,279
outdoor storage and select areas where

3542
02:48:25,680 --> 02:48:31,600
low density commercials are permitted.

3543
02:48:29,279 --> 02:48:34,080
And that is the conclusion of my remarks

3544
02:48:31,600 --> 02:48:35,760
tonight and we are happy to answer any

3545
02:48:34,080 --> 02:48:38,240
questions. Thank you. [clears throat]

3546
02:48:35,760 --> 02:48:40,160
» Okay. Thank you. I think just based on

3547
02:48:38,240 --> 02:48:44,760
that presentation, I'm going to start

3548
02:48:40,160 --> 02:48:44,760
with a question for legal

3549
02:48:45,200 --> 02:48:52,800
regarding the light maintenance facility

3550
02:48:49,600 --> 02:48:56,000
and the settlement reached by the city

3551
02:48:52,800 --> 02:48:58,800
of Brisbane with highspeed rail. Are we

3552
02:48:56,000 --> 02:49:01,359
legally able to change the use of that

3553
02:48:58,800 --> 02:49:03,279
property

3554
02:49:01,359 --> 02:49:04,000
» Or do we know or do we need to

3555
02:49:03,279 --> 02:49:05,359
investigate?

3556
02:49:04,000 --> 02:49:07,200
» No, we can we can answer that for you

3557
02:49:05,359 --> 02:49:11,439
right now, mayor. Um so the settlement

3558
02:49:07,200 --> 02:49:13,680
agreement obligated the city to analyze

3559
02:49:11,439 --> 02:49:17,600
the light maintenance rail facility in

3560
02:49:13,680 --> 02:49:19,359
the EIR to bring forward and staff is

3561
02:49:17,600 --> 02:49:21,359
recommending that. However, the

3562
02:49:19,359 --> 02:49:24,160
settlement agreement does not bind

3563
02:49:21,359 --> 02:49:26,960
council in terms of what its final land

3564
02:49:24,160 --> 02:49:28,720
use decision is. So the council has the

3565
02:49:26,960 --> 02:49:32,720
discretion under the the settlement

3566
02:49:28,720 --> 02:49:34,800
agreement and under state law to um

3567
02:49:32,720 --> 02:49:39,120
adopt either alternative.

3568
02:49:34,800 --> 02:49:44,439
» Okay. Thank you. Council questions

3569
02:49:39,120 --> 02:49:44,439
starting with uh Mayor Prom Davis.

3570
02:49:44,640 --> 02:49:48,359
» This is for you, Stephanie.

3571
02:49:49,297 --> 02:49:54,640
[gasps and laughter] You mentioned

3572
02:49:50,399 --> 02:49:56,160
interim uses that um advance

3573
02:49:54,640 --> 02:49:56,640
environmental cleanup.

3574
02:49:56,160 --> 02:49:58,399
» Yes.

3575
02:49:56,640 --> 02:50:00,479
» And I just would like for you to give

3576
02:49:58,399 --> 02:50:03,200
some examples of what interim uses

3577
02:50:00,479 --> 02:50:06,080
you're looking for.

3578
02:50:03,200 --> 02:50:09,520
Um I think we've sent a list but it it

3579
02:50:06,080 --> 02:50:11,600
would be along the lines of the uh

3580
02:50:09,520 --> 02:50:13,279
existing interimm uses we have. So

3581
02:50:11,600 --> 02:50:17,359
transdev

3582
02:50:13,279 --> 02:50:22,479
um um outdoor storage as long as it's

3583
02:50:17,359 --> 02:50:24,720
you know properly maintained um

3584
02:50:22,479 --> 02:50:27,359
parking storage. We also have Avis as a

3585
02:50:24,720 --> 02:50:28,880
tenant as you know. Um it's a surplus

3586
02:50:27,359 --> 02:50:30,080
overflow for Avis,

3587
02:50:28,880 --> 02:50:31,840
» But that's not really that doesn't

3588
02:50:30,080 --> 02:50:32,080
really advance environmental. That's

3589
02:50:31,840 --> 02:50:35,680
just

3590
02:50:32,080 --> 02:50:38,319
» No, no, no. I'm sorry. The qu when I say

3591
02:50:35,680 --> 02:50:40,720
it's the revenue that's generated to us

3592
02:50:38,319 --> 02:50:42,560
that allows us to pay our environmental

3593
02:50:40,720 --> 02:50:43,760
consultants who are doing the current

3594
02:50:42,560 --> 02:50:46,080
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

3595
02:50:43,760 --> 02:50:46,640
» Um

3596
02:50:46,080 --> 02:50:48,319
» Got [clears throat] it.

3597
02:50:46,640 --> 02:50:49,760
» Sorry if that was No, that was

3598
02:50:48,319 --> 02:50:50,560
» That's good. I think that's my only

3599
02:50:49,760 --> 02:50:56,640
question for you.

3600
02:50:50,560 --> 02:50:58,160
» Okay. Okay. So, you're good. Um,

3601
02:50:56,640 --> 02:51:00,479
so

3602
02:50:58,160 --> 02:51:02,319
for commercial and other non-residential

3603
02:51:00,479 --> 02:51:04,319
development,

3604
02:51:02,319 --> 02:51:07,439
what architectural and design review

3605
02:51:04,319 --> 02:51:11,640
authority will the city retain

3606
02:51:07,439 --> 02:51:11,640
when proposals come forward?

3607
02:51:14,960 --> 02:51:18,479
So commercial and and non-residential

3608
02:51:16,800 --> 02:51:20,240
properties would have to get a design

3609
02:51:18,479 --> 02:51:21,760
permit very similar to what's going on

3610
02:51:20,240 --> 02:51:22,319
the rest of city of Brisbane.

3611
02:51:21,760 --> 02:51:24,560
» Okay.

3612
02:51:22,319 --> 02:51:28,359
» Goes to the planning commission.

3613
02:51:24,560 --> 02:51:28,359
Um, and

3614
02:51:28,399 --> 02:51:33,040
are the architectural standards in

3615
02:51:30,000 --> 02:51:35,040
chapter 3 intended to be a complete and

3616
02:51:33,040 --> 02:51:38,240
final set of architectural standards for

3617
02:51:35,040 --> 02:51:40,160
the entire buildout of the bays or can

3618
02:51:38,240 --> 02:51:43,200
the city supplement or refine those

3619
02:51:40,160 --> 02:51:47,000
standards as individual development

3620
02:51:43,200 --> 02:51:47,000
areas move forward?

3621
02:51:50,800 --> 02:51:54,800
uh they are intended [clears throat] to

3622
02:51:52,399 --> 02:51:58,160
be all-encompassing uh but that is not

3623
02:51:54,800 --> 02:52:01,120
to say that they cannot be amended over

3624
02:51:58,160 --> 02:52:03,680
time. So uh I know with my experience

3625
02:52:01,120 --> 02:52:05,279
with specific plans um that is one of

3626
02:52:03,680 --> 02:52:08,240
the things that often triggers an

3627
02:52:05,279 --> 02:52:11,200
amendment is new types of buildings

3628
02:52:08,240 --> 02:52:12,479
appear that were not uh foreseen and

3629
02:52:11,200 --> 02:52:14,880
then that would be the kind of thing you

3630
02:52:12,479 --> 02:52:16,720
might want to change over time. But um

3631
02:52:14,880 --> 02:52:18,640
but to answer the question, it is meant

3632
02:52:16,720 --> 02:52:21,040
to address all the different building

3633
02:52:18,640 --> 02:52:23,520
types that are proposed. I don't know if

3634
02:52:21,040 --> 02:52:26,800
our uh design team wants to add anything

3635
02:52:23,520 --> 02:52:27,600
more to that, but uh that's that's a

3636
02:52:26,800 --> 02:52:29,840
response.

3637
02:52:27,600 --> 02:52:31,760
» Great. Would the city have the authority

3638
02:52:29,840 --> 02:52:33,600
to retain an independent architect,

3639
02:52:31,760 --> 02:52:35,920
urban designer, or other qualified

3640
02:52:33,600 --> 02:52:38,160
design professional to assist with

3641
02:52:35,920 --> 02:52:40,319
developing architectural standards and

3642
02:52:38,160 --> 02:52:42,880
reviewing subsequent

3643
02:52:40,319 --> 02:52:46,600
development proposals

3644
02:52:42,880 --> 02:52:46,600
within those standards?

3645
02:52:46,800 --> 02:52:51,279
» Uh, a couple things with that. Uh, well,

3646
02:52:49,359 --> 02:52:53,359
first of all, we do have a a design

3647
02:52:51,279 --> 02:52:55,120
consultant on board who has had that

3648
02:52:53,359 --> 02:52:57,600
task exactly. So uh we have some

3649
02:52:55,120 --> 02:53:00,800
individuals from site lab and they have

3650
02:52:57,600 --> 02:53:02,160
been working on the city's behalf uh to

3651
02:53:00,800 --> 02:53:05,439
uh refine the standards that were

3652
02:53:02,160 --> 02:53:08,160
proposed in the plan. Uh but then as a

3653
02:53:05,439 --> 02:53:11,760
you know kind of policy or or um

3654
02:53:08,160 --> 02:53:14,080
operations matter the city can always

3655
02:53:11,760 --> 02:53:16,560
consider the use of third party or

3656
02:53:14,080 --> 02:53:19,520
outside design consultants for any kind

3657
02:53:16,560 --> 02:53:20,960
of design review. Um particularly the

3658
02:53:19,520 --> 02:53:22,319
you know the commercial ones there's a

3659
02:53:20,960 --> 02:53:25,680
little more leeway. It's a little harder

3660
02:53:22,319 --> 02:53:27,680
on on housing developments. Um those are

3661
02:53:25,680 --> 02:53:30,880
more applicable to objective standards,

3662
02:53:27,680 --> 02:53:34,160
but um should the city want to have

3663
02:53:30,880 --> 02:53:36,160
outside uh third party design review for

3664
02:53:34,160 --> 02:53:37,920
the bayands and any other part of the

3665
02:53:36,160 --> 02:53:39,920
city, that's always an option.

3666
02:53:37,920 --> 02:53:41,680
» Great. I really want to make sure

3667
02:53:39,920 --> 02:53:43,680
» Mayor Prom, can I ask one question?

3668
02:53:41,680 --> 02:53:46,640
Yeah. Yeah. I thought we were working on

3669
02:53:43,680 --> 02:53:48,240
the land use plan um based upon the

3670
02:53:46,640 --> 02:53:50,640
presentation that was just given in the

3671
02:53:48,240 --> 02:53:52,960
topic and design topics were a later

3672
02:53:50,640 --> 02:53:54,080
topic in tonight's session. Are we

3673
02:53:52,960 --> 02:53:56,000
merging all of these together?

3674
02:53:54,080 --> 02:53:57,920
» I had them in another section but then I

3675
02:53:56,000 --> 02:53:58,880
had thought that

3676
02:53:57,920 --> 02:54:00,640
» Design was now

3677
02:53:58,880 --> 02:54:02,240
» They're together. Yeah. So, okay. Thank

3678
02:54:00,640 --> 02:54:04,399
you so much. I just need Yeah, I just

3679
02:54:02,240 --> 02:54:08,000
need some clarification. Thank you.

3680
02:54:04,399 --> 02:54:09,920
» Um okay. And then

3681
02:54:08,000 --> 02:54:11,120
I think, you know, for me it's like I

3682
02:54:09,920 --> 02:54:15,359
just want to make sure that this

3683
02:54:11,120 --> 02:54:18,640
development looks amazing and it feels

3684
02:54:15,359 --> 02:54:21,040
like Brisbane and is something that we

3685
02:54:18,640 --> 02:54:24,399
can be proud of and when we drive

3686
02:54:21,040 --> 02:54:28,000
through it, which we will, we won't say

3687
02:54:24,399 --> 02:54:31,920
this is horrible. We want to be proud of

3688
02:54:28,000 --> 02:54:35,840
what's there. And so, um, I think that

3689
02:54:31,920 --> 02:54:39,279
having, you know, some oversight over

3690
02:54:35,840 --> 02:54:43,200
that is essential because we don't want

3691
02:54:39,279 --> 02:54:47,760
to look like just anywhere else, right?

3692
02:54:43,200 --> 02:54:49,359
We want to look like us. So um

3693
02:54:47,760 --> 02:54:52,319
so getting back to the objective

3694
02:54:49,359 --> 02:54:54,240
development standards um

3695
02:54:52,319 --> 02:54:56,240
so the specific plan describes many of

3696
02:54:54,240 --> 02:54:58,080
its architectural provisions as

3697
02:54:56,240 --> 02:54:59,600
objective development standards but does

3698
02:54:58,080 --> 02:55:01,520
that mean that the city can only in

3699
02:54:59,600 --> 02:55:03,600
enforce those specific standards that

3700
02:55:01,520 --> 02:55:06,240
are written today or can the city

3701
02:55:03,600 --> 02:55:08,319
develop additional objective standards

3702
02:55:06,240 --> 02:55:11,319
as subsequent phases of the bailance are

3703
02:55:08,319 --> 02:55:11,319
designed?

3704
02:55:13,520 --> 02:55:20,560
» Yeah. So the I think it's similar to

3705
02:55:16,399 --> 02:55:23,840
what um Kevin was explaining before. The

3706
02:55:20,560 --> 02:55:25,920
the city can refine the standards. It

3707
02:55:23,840 --> 02:55:27,520
can adopt new standards. It would do

3708
02:55:25,920 --> 02:55:29,520
that through an amendment to the

3709
02:55:27,520 --> 02:55:32,240
specific plan as it's as it's shown

3710
02:55:29,520 --> 02:55:35,279
right now. Um the specific plan does

3711
02:55:32,240 --> 02:55:37,200
include the all-encompassing design

3712
02:55:35,279 --> 02:55:39,520
standards. And then it would be a

3713
02:55:37,200 --> 02:55:42,240
question about um you know what that

3714
02:55:39,520 --> 02:55:45,600
applies to perspectively. If you do

3715
02:55:42,240 --> 02:55:48,479
adopt amendments um in the future, you

3716
02:55:45,600 --> 02:55:51,840
would apply that to to projects that

3717
02:55:48,479 --> 02:55:52,240
don't have vested rights. So it would

3718
02:55:51,840 --> 02:55:53,760
» Right

3719
02:55:52,240 --> 02:55:57,120
» Apply to things that maybe hadn't

3720
02:55:53,760 --> 02:55:57,920
applied yet or um were still off in the

3721
02:55:57,120 --> 02:55:59,359
future

3722
02:55:57,920 --> 02:56:01,439
» Because I know objective standards

3723
02:55:59,359 --> 02:56:04,319
that's really what's guiding the housing

3724
02:56:01,439 --> 02:56:07,840
development whereas for commercial you

3725
02:56:04,319 --> 02:56:12,399
have much more say in that um because

3726
02:56:07,840 --> 02:56:14,960
often cities make it so difficult for

3727
02:56:12,399 --> 02:56:17,520
housing developers by having all of

3728
02:56:14,960 --> 02:56:20,000
these guidelines that projects don't

3729
02:56:17,520 --> 02:56:22,240
move forward. And so I think that's a

3730
02:56:20,000 --> 02:56:25,680
the state is trying to curb some of

3731
02:56:22,240 --> 02:56:27,520
that. Um but I could envision us coming

3732
02:56:25,680 --> 02:56:31,359
up with

3733
02:56:27,520 --> 02:56:34,000
objective standards that maybe create

3734
02:56:31,359 --> 02:56:35,920
um housing that's a little bit more

3735
02:56:34,000 --> 02:56:38,560
refined in what we want to see. And so

3736
02:56:35,920 --> 02:56:41,279
just wanting to clarify if that's

3737
02:56:38,560 --> 02:56:43,760
possible um or if we need to work out

3738
02:56:41,279 --> 02:56:47,720
all the kinks immediately.

3739
02:56:43,760 --> 02:56:47,720
So, um

3740
02:56:48,800 --> 02:56:53,200
the next the last question I have for

3741
02:56:50,960 --> 02:56:56,960
this section

3742
02:56:53,200 --> 02:56:59,680
um is there anything in the specific

3743
02:56:56,960 --> 02:57:02,160
plan language already or is this

3744
02:56:59,680 --> 02:57:04,960
something that we could add

3745
02:57:02,160 --> 02:57:06,800
um as a condition that states that

3746
02:57:04,960 --> 02:57:09,040
approval of the specific plan does not

3747
02:57:06,800 --> 02:57:11,120
constitute final architectural approval

3748
02:57:09,040 --> 02:57:12,640
of individual buildings and that the

3749
02:57:11,120 --> 02:57:14,160
city will retain architectural and

3750
02:57:12,640 --> 02:57:17,120
design review authority to the fullest

3751
02:57:14,160 --> 02:57:18,240
extent permitted by the law. Um, and I

3752
02:57:17,120 --> 02:57:20,160
don't know if there's anything legally

3753
02:57:18,240 --> 02:57:23,279
problematic about including that

3754
02:57:20,160 --> 02:57:25,120
provision. I know that obviously you're

3755
02:57:23,279 --> 02:57:29,680
saying that that's something that we can

3756
02:57:25,120 --> 02:57:34,080
do, but I'm wondering if it benefits the

3757
02:57:29,680 --> 02:57:38,000
city to state that expressly and if so,

3758
02:57:34,080 --> 02:57:41,200
maybe you could bring back language.

3759
02:57:38,000 --> 02:57:43,680
» Sure. Yes. So the the specific plan

3760
02:57:41,200 --> 02:57:46,240
doesn't approve any individual

3761
02:57:43,680 --> 02:57:48,880
development project. It functions it's

3762
02:57:46,240 --> 02:57:51,120
more than zoning. It has you many more

3763
02:57:48,880 --> 02:57:53,680
details in it, but it's more like a

3764
02:57:51,120 --> 02:57:55,600
zoning code than a conditional use

3765
02:57:53,680 --> 02:57:58,720
permit or a specific development

3766
02:57:55,600 --> 02:58:00,960
approval. Um it does have provisions

3767
02:57:58,720 --> 02:58:03,279
that talk about what subsequent

3768
02:58:00,960 --> 02:58:06,000
approvals and what that process is

3769
02:58:03,279 --> 02:58:08,080
required um for a project that wants to

3770
02:58:06,000 --> 02:58:09,600
seek individual development. and we can

3771
02:58:08,080 --> 02:58:11,920
review that language to make sure that

3772
02:58:09,600 --> 02:58:13,520
it's clear enough um that council has

3773
02:58:11,920 --> 02:58:14,319
the type of architectural discretion

3774
02:58:13,520 --> 02:58:16,720
that you're looking for.

3775
02:58:14,319 --> 02:58:20,240
» I think it's just like clarifying and

3776
02:58:16,720 --> 02:58:22,479
exerting as much

3777
02:58:20,240 --> 02:58:25,200
architectural oversight and design

3778
02:58:22,479 --> 02:58:27,279
oversight as we possibly can have is

3779
02:58:25,200 --> 02:58:31,040
really what I'm

3780
02:58:27,279 --> 02:58:34,800
hoping to achieve. So that's it for me.

3781
02:58:31,040 --> 02:58:38,720
» Okay. At this time, I'm going to ask

3782
02:58:34,800 --> 02:58:41,760
councel. Uh, we must have a motion to

3783
02:58:38,720 --> 02:58:44,720
extend the meeting if we are to do so.

3784
02:58:41,760 --> 02:58:46,880
If you'd like a discussion first, um,

3785
02:58:44,720 --> 02:58:49,040
normally we extend the meeting for an

3786
02:58:46,880 --> 02:58:50,800
hour. Sometimes we've done two hours and

3787
02:58:49,040 --> 02:58:53,040
if we finish early, then we finish

3788
02:58:50,800 --> 02:58:55,200
early. What is council's pleasure? I'm

3789
02:58:53,040 --> 02:58:56,319
going to ask you each one at a time.

3790
02:58:55,200 --> 02:58:58,640
Council member Kern,

3791
02:58:56,319 --> 02:59:00,720
» Twoour extension.

3792
02:58:58,640 --> 02:59:03,279
» Mayor Proim.

3793
02:59:00,720 --> 02:59:05,920
Um,

3794
02:59:03,279 --> 02:59:09,560
I would start with an hour.

3795
02:59:05,920 --> 02:59:09,560
» Council member Lent.

3796
02:59:09,760 --> 02:59:15,200
» I can only do one.

3797
02:59:12,560 --> 02:59:15,920
» I feel I only have an hour left of me.

3798
02:59:15,200 --> 02:59:17,040
» Okay.

3799
02:59:15,920 --> 02:59:21,040
» Just saying.

3800
02:59:17,040 --> 02:59:23,439
» And Council Member Okonnell,

3801
02:59:21,040 --> 02:59:26,080
» I think that we should go for an hour

3802
02:59:23,439 --> 02:59:29,920
and see where it takes us and see what

3803
02:59:26,080 --> 02:59:33,120
the um appetite of the audience is. And

3804
02:59:29,920 --> 02:59:35,120
if we start to they stop to start to

3805
02:59:33,120 --> 02:59:38,720
drop like flies, we'll know.

3806
02:59:35,120 --> 02:59:40,800
» Okay. So, my weighing in on it is the

3807
02:59:38,720 --> 02:59:43,600
the complaints I got with the late

3808
02:59:40,800 --> 02:59:45,279
meeting the last time. I would prefer we

3809
02:59:43,600 --> 02:59:47,760
just extend an hour and see where we're

3810
02:59:45,279 --> 02:59:51,200
at and see what how everyone feels.

3811
02:59:47,760 --> 02:59:51,680
» I'll make a motion to extend till 9:30.

3812
02:59:51,200 --> 02:59:52,319
» Okay.

3813
02:59:51,680 --> 02:59:53,200
» Second.

3814
02:59:52,319 --> 02:59:54,080
» All in favor?

3815
02:59:53,200 --> 02:59:57,840
» I.

3816
02:59:54,080 --> 03:00:01,520
» No one opposed. Okay. Um,

3817
02:59:57,840 --> 03:00:04,720
Council Member Kern, questions.

3818
03:00:01,520 --> 03:00:08,160
» Thank you, Mayor. Um, I guess my first

3819
03:00:04,720 --> 03:00:10,960
question is, uh, regarding the, um, the

3820
03:00:08,160 --> 03:00:12,479
light maintenance facility. Um, so, in

3821
03:00:10,960 --> 03:00:14,720
my mind, and I guess I'm directing this

3822
03:00:12,479 --> 03:00:16,640
towards you, Eric, um, and maybe you,

3823
03:00:14,720 --> 03:00:19,279
Kevin, in my mind, it looks like maybe

3824
03:00:16,640 --> 03:00:21,760
we have three options here. Uh, one is

3825
03:00:19,279 --> 03:00:24,640
to accept the final specific plan, uh,

3826
03:00:21,760 --> 03:00:28,000
in its current state right now. um

3827
03:00:24,640 --> 03:00:29,680
reserving the land for highspeed rail.

3828
03:00:28,000 --> 03:00:33,040
Um

3829
03:00:29,680 --> 03:00:36,160
do we have an option to eliminate the

3830
03:00:33,040 --> 03:00:38,800
reservation and adopt the plan and amend

3831
03:00:36,160 --> 03:00:43,720
the plan later with some sort of uh

3832
03:00:38,800 --> 03:00:43,720
additional reservation or change coding?

3833
03:00:46,240 --> 03:00:50,720
Could you I' think the answer is going

3834
03:00:48,800 --> 03:00:52,319
to be yes, but you say it say it back

3835
03:00:50,720 --> 03:00:52,960
one more time so I can follow. I didn't

3836
03:00:52,319 --> 03:00:54,880
I didn't

3837
03:00:52,960 --> 03:00:58,160
» So my my thinking is is that we would

3838
03:00:54,880 --> 03:01:01,600
adopt the final specific plan

3839
03:00:58,160 --> 03:01:03,439
with or without the reservation

3840
03:01:01,600 --> 03:01:04,880
and at some point in the future we could

3841
03:01:03,439 --> 03:01:06,160
amend the plan when we have more

3842
03:01:04,880 --> 03:01:08,880
information or

3843
03:01:06,160 --> 03:01:12,560
» As council wishes.

3844
03:01:08,880 --> 03:01:16,080
» Yes. So you if you were to adopt the the

3845
03:01:12,560 --> 03:01:19,520
plan as recommended by staff um with the

3846
03:01:16,080 --> 03:01:21,840
area that would allow for temporary uses

3847
03:01:19,520 --> 03:01:24,399
within the area that could develop for

3848
03:01:21,840 --> 03:01:26,560
future light rail maintenance facility.

3849
03:01:24,399 --> 03:01:29,359
Um you could still amend the plan in the

3850
03:01:26,560 --> 03:01:31,120
future to remove that, put other

3851
03:01:29,359 --> 03:01:34,720
designations in along the lines of what

3852
03:01:31,120 --> 03:01:38,080
BDI is asking for or make other changes.

3853
03:01:34,720 --> 03:01:40,160
Um and the flexibility to do either of

3854
03:01:38,080 --> 03:01:42,960
those either now or in connection with

3855
03:01:40,160 --> 03:01:45,520
future amendments um in part was granted

3856
03:01:42,960 --> 03:01:48,319
be under the EIR. We have both of those

3857
03:01:45,520 --> 03:01:51,120
alternatives have been studied um that

3858
03:01:48,319 --> 03:01:54,479
the project that was studied in the

3859
03:01:51,120 --> 03:01:57,279
draft EIR includes the mix of land uses

3860
03:01:54,479 --> 03:02:00,240
that um BDI is asking to include

3861
03:01:57,279 --> 03:02:02,560
tonight. um the staff recommended

3862
03:02:00,240 --> 03:02:05,359
version was included as one of the

3863
03:02:02,560 --> 03:02:08,880
alternatives and the final EIR. So we do

3864
03:02:05,359 --> 03:02:10,399
have information about um the

3865
03:02:08,880 --> 03:02:13,439
environmental impacts from both

3866
03:02:10,399 --> 03:02:16,080
alternatives and you could u so you have

3867
03:02:13,439 --> 03:02:18,880
the flexibility to adopt them as part of

3868
03:02:16,080 --> 03:02:20,640
this or in the future tearing off of

3869
03:02:18,880 --> 03:02:22,800
that environmental work that was already

3870
03:02:20,640 --> 03:02:24,880
done.

3871
03:02:22,800 --> 03:02:27,520
» Thank you.

3872
03:02:24,880 --> 03:02:32,000
Um, and one more option. Is it possible

3873
03:02:27,520 --> 03:02:35,600
to adopt the final specific plan with

3874
03:02:32,000 --> 03:02:39,120
the reservation for the railard with an

3875
03:02:35,600 --> 03:02:41,520
exclam or an expiration date, meaning

3876
03:02:39,120 --> 03:02:44,479
we're going to hold that zoning and that

3877
03:02:41,520 --> 03:02:46,399
reservation for that space for 10 years.

3878
03:02:44,479 --> 03:02:48,560
If highspeed rail does not come forward

3879
03:02:46,399 --> 03:02:50,240
with an offer to buy the property, an

3880
03:02:48,560 --> 03:02:51,840
offer to do something with the property,

3881
03:02:50,240 --> 03:02:53,279
then it would expire and we would have

3882
03:02:51,840 --> 03:02:55,279
to revisit it.

3883
03:02:53,279 --> 03:02:58,319
» Yeah. you. So, you could structure that

3884
03:02:55,279 --> 03:03:01,120
in in in two different ways. Um, you

3885
03:02:58,319 --> 03:03:04,720
could have um allow for temporary uses

3886
03:03:01,120 --> 03:03:06,560
for a period of time. Um, and then yeah,

3887
03:03:04,720 --> 03:03:08,720
if there's a certain trigger hasn't been

3888
03:03:06,560 --> 03:03:12,240
met, allow for the development of

3889
03:03:08,720 --> 03:03:14,399
permanent uses or you could um set an

3890
03:03:12,240 --> 03:03:16,720
expiration and and a future council

3891
03:03:14,399 --> 03:03:18,000
could revisit it in the future. Um, but

3892
03:03:16,720 --> 03:03:19,760
you could build in that sort of

3893
03:03:18,000 --> 03:03:21,680
structure now if if you were interested

3894
03:03:19,760 --> 03:03:23,040
in that.

3895
03:03:21,680 --> 03:03:25,439
» Thank you. didn't mean to put you on the

3896
03:03:23,040 --> 03:03:27,439
spot with all that.

3897
03:03:25,439 --> 03:03:29,040
Um, I do have a question. I'm going to

3898
03:03:27,439 --> 03:03:33,760
assume that this question is for staff

3899
03:03:29,040 --> 03:03:35,760
and it's regarding uh the existing use.

3900
03:03:33,760 --> 03:03:36,880
Um, we've got a bunch of them, folks. If

3901
03:03:35,760 --> 03:03:38,560
you've not seen the documents, it's

3902
03:03:36,880 --> 03:03:41,760
everything from the Kinderborn take farm

3903
03:03:38,560 --> 03:03:45,040
to the Cal Train Rails to Golden State

3904
03:03:41,760 --> 03:03:46,800
Lumber. Um, so we're going to be quote

3905
03:03:45,040 --> 03:03:48,479
unquote moving dirt and changing the

3906
03:03:46,800 --> 03:03:51,200
grading. Uh, we're just going to go

3907
03:03:48,479 --> 03:03:52,479
around all of these facilities. Is that

3908
03:03:51,200 --> 03:03:55,279
really? I mean, that's how we're going

3909
03:03:52,479 --> 03:03:56,880
to plan to proceed.

3910
03:03:55,279 --> 03:03:57,439
I got an entire row of people nodding

3911
03:03:56,880 --> 03:03:59,439
their heads.

3912
03:03:57,439 --> 03:04:01,120
» Yes, [laughter]

3913
03:03:59,439 --> 03:04:02,560
» One of one of us will click in to say

3914
03:04:01,120 --> 03:04:04,160
yes. But yeah, that's correct.

3915
03:04:02,560 --> 03:04:05,680
» Okay.

3916
03:04:04,160 --> 03:04:08,880
Thank you. And then last but not least,

3917
03:04:05,680 --> 03:04:13,279
in the final specific plan, um this is

3918
03:04:08,880 --> 03:04:15,760
in uh 2.5- or 2.5.2 in the Roundhouse

3919
03:04:13,279 --> 03:04:17,600
District. It says a potential middle

3920
03:04:15,760 --> 03:04:19,200
school grade 6th grade is proposed in

3921
03:04:17,600 --> 03:04:20,800
the vicinity of Main Street. And it's

3922
03:04:19,200 --> 03:04:24,080
got a list of blocks here on the map.

3923
03:04:20,800 --> 03:04:25,840
B6, B9, B10, and C2. Are these actually

3924
03:04:24,080 --> 03:04:29,880
these blocks? Are these actually large

3925
03:04:25,840 --> 03:04:29,880
enough for a middle school?

3926
03:04:31,120 --> 03:04:34,120
» Um,

3927
03:04:35,522 --> 03:04:38,880
[snorts]

3928
03:04:37,359 --> 03:04:39,920
we'll look at that a little more closely

3929
03:04:38,880 --> 03:04:42,080
and get back to you.

3930
03:04:39,920 --> 03:04:43,200
» Thank you so much. Those are all my

3931
03:04:42,080 --> 03:04:45,359
questions for now.

3932
03:04:43,200 --> 03:04:47,680
» Okay.

3933
03:04:45,359 --> 03:04:49,279
Council member Lince.

3934
03:04:47,680 --> 03:04:51,359
Madame Mayor, I have a lot of questions,

3935
03:04:49,279 --> 03:04:53,120
so maybe uh Council Member Okonnell and

3936
03:04:51,359 --> 03:04:54,880
yourself should ask questions.

3937
03:04:53,120 --> 03:04:56,800
» Council member Okonnell.

3938
03:04:54,880 --> 03:05:00,880
» Sure.

3939
03:04:56,800 --> 03:05:03,200
» Um so if we were to

3940
03:05:00,880 --> 03:05:04,720
um remove the reservation for highspeed

3941
03:05:03,200 --> 03:05:08,240
rail,

3942
03:05:04,720 --> 03:05:11,760
what will we lose in our negotiated

3943
03:05:08,240 --> 03:05:14,880
settlement with highspeed rail?

3944
03:05:11,760 --> 03:05:18,000
So the um the settlement agreement

3945
03:05:14,880 --> 03:05:21,600
obligates highspeed rail to

3946
03:05:18,000 --> 03:05:23,760
um use the smaller facility the 45 acres

3947
03:05:21,600 --> 03:05:25,840
that are included in the specific plan.

3948
03:05:23,760 --> 03:05:27,840
Previously they had considered a

3949
03:05:25,840 --> 03:05:30,479
significantly larger facility and in a

3950
03:05:27,840 --> 03:05:32,720
different location. Um so this should

3951
03:05:30,479 --> 03:05:34,640
they go forward the settlement agreement

3952
03:05:32,720 --> 03:05:38,240
locks them into the location that's

3953
03:05:34,640 --> 03:05:41,680
shown um in the in the specific plan. Um

3954
03:05:38,240 --> 03:05:44,880
there's also ongoing coordination and uh

3955
03:05:41,680 --> 03:05:48,560
the opportunity with for them to um

3956
03:05:44,880 --> 03:05:50,560
collaborate with the city on design and

3957
03:05:48,560 --> 03:05:53,840
um potential mitigation measures related

3958
03:05:50,560 --> 03:05:55,920
to reducing um you know visual impacts

3959
03:05:53,840 --> 03:05:58,240
or undesirable impacts with the light m

3960
03:05:55,920 --> 03:06:00,080
light rail maintenance facility. Um

3961
03:05:58,240 --> 03:06:02,800
should we not be under the settlement

3962
03:06:00,080 --> 03:06:05,600
agreement and they just go forward and

3963
03:06:02,800 --> 03:06:08,000
condemn the property? um in theory they

3964
03:06:05,600 --> 03:06:09,600
would then you design it the way they

3965
03:06:08,000 --> 03:06:12,960
wanted without collaborating with the

3966
03:06:09,600 --> 03:06:15,920
city on the design. Um and there's also

3967
03:06:12,960 --> 03:06:19,359
um some consultant reimbursement costs

3968
03:06:15,920 --> 03:06:23,920
that um would be

3969
03:06:19,359 --> 03:06:26,880
uh funded if the staff recommended

3970
03:06:23,920 --> 03:06:29,359
version of the plan is adopted.

3971
03:06:26,880 --> 03:06:30,560
Isn't there more too?

3972
03:06:29,359 --> 03:06:33,840
» So

3973
03:06:30,560 --> 03:06:35,680
» About like when they would be able to in

3974
03:06:33,840 --> 03:06:39,040
the settlement agreement about when they

3975
03:06:35,680 --> 03:06:43,279
would actually be able to purchase it

3976
03:06:39,040 --> 03:06:46,240
and also if they purchased it and didn't

3977
03:06:43,279 --> 03:06:49,760
use it for light maintenance facility

3978
03:06:46,240 --> 03:06:51,600
like there's also stuff around use. So I

3979
03:06:49,760 --> 03:06:53,920
believe in the settlement agreement it's

3980
03:06:51,600 --> 03:06:55,439
also that they could only use it for

3981
03:06:53,920 --> 03:06:57,439
that. they could never they couldn't

3982
03:06:55,439 --> 03:06:59,359
acquire the property and then oh we

3983
03:06:57,439 --> 03:07:01,760
don't have funding we changed now we're

3984
03:06:59,359 --> 03:07:03,840
going to put something else there right

3985
03:07:01,760 --> 03:07:06,960
isn't that a key piece

3986
03:07:03,840 --> 03:07:09,760
» So it was my understanding in the

3987
03:07:06,960 --> 03:07:12,319
settlement agree agreement and you may

3988
03:07:09,760 --> 03:07:15,760
need to get back to us on this um that

3989
03:07:12,319 --> 03:07:18,240
we would have final design review we so

3990
03:07:15,760 --> 03:07:21,200
it wouldn't just be a collaboration

3991
03:07:18,240 --> 03:07:26,000
we would have many many tools in our

3992
03:07:21,200 --> 03:07:27,600
toolbox to control noise,

3993
03:07:26,000 --> 03:07:31,200
lights,

3994
03:07:27,600 --> 03:07:35,439
» Uses, future uses. They couldn't just

3995
03:07:31,200 --> 03:07:40,080
rent it out to Cal Train or use it to

3996
03:07:35,439 --> 03:07:45,520
store their units. And so it gave us a a

3997
03:07:40,080 --> 03:07:47,680
lot of um concessions um which is sort

3998
03:07:45,520 --> 03:07:52,319
of unheard of with negotiating with

3999
03:07:47,680 --> 03:07:56,240
highspeed rail. Um, so it gave us a lot

4000
03:07:52,319 --> 03:07:58,319
of um power over what that facility

4001
03:07:56,240 --> 03:08:00,960
looked like, sounded like to the

4002
03:07:58,319 --> 03:08:03,359
residents um both at Brisbane and End of

4003
03:08:00,960 --> 03:08:08,399
the Ridge and the new people that'll be

4004
03:08:03,359 --> 03:08:11,760
moving into that area. Um, so

4005
03:08:08,399 --> 03:08:14,000
while we I I I

4006
03:08:11,760 --> 03:08:17,279
would like to really hear what those

4007
03:08:14,000 --> 03:08:19,840
upsides and downsizes sides would be

4008
03:08:17,279 --> 03:08:23,465
would mean to us and I think you can

4009
03:08:19,840 --> 03:08:24,399
come back with those. Um

4010
03:08:23,465 --> 03:08:29,760
[clears throat]

4011
03:08:24,399 --> 03:08:32,399
and as council member um Kern said, we

4012
03:08:29,760 --> 03:08:36,240
could later upzone or we could allow

4013
03:08:32,399 --> 03:08:37,920
temporary uses, but in the letter from

4014
03:08:36,240 --> 03:08:40,000
BDI,

4015
03:08:37,920 --> 03:08:42,160
they're very concerned that they wanted

4016
03:08:40,000 --> 03:08:45,200
to use that for infrastructure and

4017
03:08:42,160 --> 03:08:50,000
drainage for the entire site. And if

4018
03:08:45,200 --> 03:08:54,399
that is the case and the LMF did come in

4019
03:08:50,000 --> 03:08:57,279
to use to eminent domain, there would be

4020
03:08:54,399 --> 03:09:00,640
no place for the drainage and for the

4021
03:08:57,279 --> 03:09:02,479
infrastructure. So I think if we gave up

4022
03:09:00,640 --> 03:09:05,439
that settlement agreement, we would

4023
03:09:02,479 --> 03:09:09,680
could put ourselves in and that whole

4024
03:09:05,439 --> 03:09:13,840
project in jeopardy. So that's

4025
03:09:09,680 --> 03:09:18,880
um one comment there or I guess question

4026
03:09:13,840 --> 03:09:22,720
that you can get back to us on. Um

4027
03:09:18,880 --> 03:09:25,120
and then the interim uses that their

4028
03:09:22,720 --> 03:09:27,600
request for allow interim uses that

4029
03:09:25,120 --> 03:09:29,680
support the property and make way for

4030
03:09:27,600 --> 03:09:32,080
development. You know, their opening

4031
03:09:29,680 --> 03:09:34,319
statement is that this the bay lands

4032
03:09:32,080 --> 03:09:37,840
will be developed in phases over many

4033
03:09:34,319 --> 03:09:41,120
decades, many decades.

4034
03:09:37,840 --> 03:09:45,880
And so,

4035
03:09:41,120 --> 03:09:45,880
do we really want to

4036
03:09:45,920 --> 03:09:53,040
um is this asking to

4037
03:09:49,520 --> 03:09:56,000
keep the use of crushing gravel? Is

4038
03:09:53,040 --> 03:09:59,680
this, you know, uses that we really want

4039
03:09:56,000 --> 03:10:03,279
to see? and and I I somehow missed the

4040
03:09:59,680 --> 03:10:05,680
memo of the list of what uses they want

4041
03:10:03,279 --> 03:10:10,560
to add. [clears throat]

4042
03:10:05,680 --> 03:10:13,560
I didn't get that or notice it, but

4043
03:10:10,560 --> 03:10:13,560
um

4044
03:10:15,760 --> 03:10:19,680
and that goes along with the uh question

4045
03:10:17,680 --> 03:10:21,520
that they wanted to bring the broaden

4046
03:10:19,680 --> 03:10:24,720
the range of permitted commercial B

4047
03:10:21,520 --> 03:10:28,319
businesses. And I do think that no one

4048
03:10:24,720 --> 03:10:31,200
knows what is going to be useful, but I

4049
03:10:28,319 --> 03:10:33,680
do think that bringing in more light

4050
03:10:31,200 --> 03:10:37,040
industrial type businesses might be

4051
03:10:33,680 --> 03:10:40,880
appropriate in the specific plan because

4052
03:10:37,040 --> 03:10:44,560
there's a it's what's kept our Crocker

4053
03:10:40,880 --> 03:10:48,000
Park so vibrant is that we have a lot of

4054
03:10:44,560 --> 03:10:49,920
mixed smaller uses instead of just giant

4055
03:10:48,000 --> 03:10:52,880
life sciences.

4056
03:10:49,920 --> 03:10:56,479
So, I'd be interested to see if there

4057
03:10:52,880 --> 03:10:58,640
was some mix that the city could bring

4058
03:10:56,479 --> 03:11:01,439
into the specific plan that would allow

4059
03:10:58,640 --> 03:11:05,840
some of those smaller

4060
03:11:01,439 --> 03:11:07,760
um uses in in

4061
03:11:05,840 --> 03:11:09,200
the permitted use in the industrial

4062
03:11:07,760 --> 03:11:13,560
areas.

4063
03:11:09,200 --> 03:11:13,560
» I second that interest.

4064
03:11:16,560 --> 03:11:20,560
» That's it.

4065
03:11:17,359 --> 03:11:22,160
» Okay. You want me to go ahead?

4066
03:11:20,560 --> 03:11:24,560
» I'm going to be very short.

4067
03:11:22,160 --> 03:11:26,880
» Okay.

4068
03:11:24,560 --> 03:11:28,960
» I have a question and I I don't know

4069
03:11:26,880 --> 03:11:31,520
where it lies or if it belongs in this

4070
03:11:28,960 --> 03:11:34,160
topic tonight, but I found it

4071
03:11:31,520 --> 03:11:36,560
interesting reading about pile driving

4072
03:11:34,160 --> 03:11:39,439
and pile driving being inherent to

4073
03:11:36,560 --> 03:11:41,840
certain type of structures. And tonight

4074
03:11:39,439 --> 03:11:43,520
we've talked about the existing specific

4075
03:11:41,840 --> 03:11:47,760
plan being proposed. some of those

4076
03:11:43,520 --> 03:11:50,960
buildings 22 stories high and council

4077
03:11:47,760 --> 03:11:54,960
member Lens's alternative where he was

4078
03:11:50,960 --> 03:11:57,600
talking about much shorter buildings

4079
03:11:54,960 --> 03:11:59,840
and I read about a mitigation measure

4080
03:11:57,600 --> 03:12:02,000
mni1

4081
03:11:59,840 --> 03:12:05,120
it talks about an alternative method to

4082
03:12:02,000 --> 03:12:08,240
pile driving where geological conditions

4083
03:12:05,120 --> 03:12:11,920
permit and so there's two questions in

4084
03:12:08,240 --> 03:12:15,600
there at what point does the height of a

4085
03:12:11,920 --> 03:12:18,800
building require pile driving on this

4086
03:12:15,600 --> 03:12:22,080
particular site knowing that it used to

4087
03:12:18,800 --> 03:12:24,560
be the bay water and it's all fill

4088
03:12:22,080 --> 03:12:28,880
unregulated fill. Yes, it's had decades

4089
03:12:24,560 --> 03:12:32,800
to compact but I'm not a geologist and

4090
03:12:28,880 --> 03:12:36,880
I'm not a building engineer. So, first

4091
03:12:32,800 --> 03:12:38,479
of all, what at what threshold is pile

4092
03:12:36,880 --> 03:12:40,960
driving necessary? height of the

4093
03:12:38,479 --> 03:12:44,800
building and also what is this reference

4094
03:12:40,960 --> 03:12:46,880
to where geologic conditions permit that

4095
03:12:44,800 --> 03:12:50,279
there could be an alternate method to

4096
03:12:46,880 --> 03:12:50,279
pile driving.

4097
03:12:54,399 --> 03:12:57,640
Should we

4098
03:12:58,568 --> 03:13:01,439
[clears throat]

4099
03:12:59,120 --> 03:13:03,200
» If you have to get back

4100
03:13:01,439 --> 03:13:05,920
we'll we'll want to consult with the

4101
03:13:03,200 --> 03:13:10,920
engineers and get back to you on that.

4102
03:13:05,920 --> 03:13:10,920
» Okay. And and in that question is

4103
03:13:11,040 --> 03:13:16,640
where geologic conditions permit I would

4104
03:13:14,160 --> 03:13:20,240
like to then know also is it the whole

4105
03:13:16,640 --> 03:13:22,080
site or is it only certain areas and if

4106
03:13:20,240 --> 03:13:25,120
it's only certain areas if we could

4107
03:13:22,080 --> 03:13:27,680
please identify which areas those are.

4108
03:13:25,120 --> 03:13:30,000
Thank you

4109
03:13:27,680 --> 03:13:32,629
council member Lent.

4110
03:13:30,000 --> 03:13:34,560
» Thank you madam mayor. Um, you know,

4111
03:13:32,629 --> 03:13:36,479
[snorts] I I was going to mention this

4112
03:13:34,560 --> 03:13:38,640
earlier, I mean later, but since you

4113
03:13:36,479 --> 03:13:41,760
brought up the pile driving, I'll just

4114
03:13:38,640 --> 03:13:45,840
start right now. Um, because in

4115
03:13:41,760 --> 03:13:48,000
alternative 7, it um has some

4116
03:13:45,840 --> 03:13:50,479
interesting information that that I'd

4117
03:13:48,000 --> 03:13:52,000
like to read. It says that uh lowering

4118
03:13:50,479 --> 03:13:57,439
the heights of taller buildings while

4119
03:13:52,000 --> 03:14:00,160
simultaneously reducing the spec

4120
03:13:57,439 --> 03:14:01,920
specific plans. I'm tired. [laughter]

4121
03:14:00,160 --> 03:14:03,359
uh overall development intensity could

4122
03:14:01,920 --> 03:14:06,239
reduce the number of buildings that

4123
03:14:03,359 --> 03:14:07,760
would require pile foundations. The

4124
03:14:06,239 --> 03:14:09,439
combination of reduced building heights

4125
03:14:07,760 --> 03:14:12,560
and development intensity could enhance

4126
03:14:09,439 --> 03:14:15,439
the feasibility of of constructing pile

4127
03:14:12,560 --> 03:14:17,359
foundations using quieter technologies

4128
03:14:15,439 --> 03:14:19,680
which reduce the amount of pile driving

4129
03:14:17,359 --> 03:14:21,439
required for the bailands

4130
03:14:19,680 --> 03:14:24,080
development.

4131
03:14:21,439 --> 03:14:27,840
Uh it goes on to say uh that it would

4132
03:14:24,080 --> 03:14:31,359
also renderings. So you know in this

4133
03:14:27,840 --> 03:14:33,439
chapter it talks about the the was it

4134
03:14:31,359 --> 03:14:35,279
the low density residential and the mid

4135
03:14:33,439 --> 03:14:37,200
density and the high and then same thing

4136
03:14:35,279 --> 03:14:38,160
with commercial

4137
03:14:37,200 --> 03:14:39,600
and I [clears throat] have to agree with

4138
03:14:38,160 --> 03:14:41,279
them. I I don't know what that looks

4139
03:14:39,600 --> 03:14:44,080
like you know to be quite honest with

4140
03:14:41,279 --> 03:14:45,279
you. I mean obviously you all don't know

4141
03:14:44,080 --> 03:14:48,080
what it's going to look like either.

4142
03:14:45,279 --> 03:14:49,439
there's going to be these project uh you

4143
03:14:48,080 --> 03:14:52,239
know applications that you know that

4144
03:14:49,439 --> 03:14:56,239
will come before us but you know based

4145
03:14:52,239 --> 03:14:59,680
upon what is in the specific plan and

4146
03:14:56,239 --> 03:15:02,239
how you lay out the different districts

4147
03:14:59,680 --> 03:15:05,600
it would be so helpful if you could use

4148
03:15:02,239 --> 03:15:08,479
AI and [clears throat] just put it in

4149
03:15:05,600 --> 03:15:10,960
there and and then do a presentation for

4150
03:15:08,479 --> 03:15:14,800
the council and for the public so that

4151
03:15:10,960 --> 03:15:17,359
we get an idea of okay what does a 24 to

4152
03:15:14,800 --> 03:15:19,040
you 24story tower, you know, a couple

4153
03:15:17,359 --> 03:15:22,080
towers, you know, look like with the

4154
03:15:19,040 --> 03:15:24,000
other residential h how, you know, how

4155
03:15:22,080 --> 03:15:25,920
does the, you know, the single family

4156
03:15:24,000 --> 03:15:28,720
homes with, you know, where the

4157
03:15:25,920 --> 03:15:31,359
roundhouse is, how does that really, you

4158
03:15:28,720 --> 03:15:33,279
know, look like? So, just putting that

4159
03:15:31,359 --> 03:15:36,640
out there and if you could bring that

4160
03:15:33,279 --> 03:15:40,160
back, uh, you know, for a future, uh,

4161
03:15:36,640 --> 03:15:43,279
hearing, that would be so beneficial.

4162
03:15:40,160 --> 03:15:45,200
All right. Um

4163
03:15:43,279 --> 03:15:46,319
so

4164
03:15:45,200 --> 03:15:50,479
kind of [clears throat] piggyback on

4165
03:15:46,319 --> 03:15:54,080
what you had said um Mor Prom Davis you

4166
03:15:50,479 --> 03:15:55,680
know in regards to design standards for

4167
03:15:54,080 --> 03:16:01,040
residential

4168
03:15:55,680 --> 03:16:05,840
um yeah you know difficult however with

4169
03:16:01,040 --> 03:16:09,520
the roundhouse area within that 50 foot

4170
03:16:05,840 --> 03:16:11,760
area there's the curved residential

4171
03:16:09,520 --> 03:16:13,359
there's the brick clad, right? There's

4172
03:16:11,760 --> 03:16:16,880
trying to that histo, you know, that

4173
03:16:13,359 --> 03:16:18,880
tied to the historic building.

4174
03:16:16,880 --> 03:16:20,880
So, I'm curious, why only 50 feet? Why

4175
03:16:18,880 --> 03:16:22,000
not, you know, maybe expand it to a

4176
03:16:20,880 --> 03:16:24,399
little bit more? So, if you would mind

4177
03:16:22,000 --> 03:16:26,239
come on up and

4178
03:16:24,399 --> 03:16:28,080
talking about that.

4179
03:16:26,239 --> 03:16:30,080
» Sure, I can speak to that a little bit.

4180
03:16:28,080 --> 03:16:31,680
So, I think um the 50 ft that you're

4181
03:16:30,080 --> 03:16:34,239
mentioning comes from the mitigation

4182
03:16:31,680 --> 03:16:37,680
measure. So, I I do want to note that

4183
03:16:34,239 --> 03:16:39,200
that came from um the city team. So,

4184
03:16:37,680 --> 03:16:42,000
site lab may be able to speak a little

4185
03:16:39,200 --> 03:16:44,080
bit more about why they chose um 50 ft

4186
03:16:42,000 --> 03:16:46,479
as a radius. And while I'm up here, I

4187
03:16:44,080 --> 03:16:49,279
did also want to mention um

4188
03:16:46,479 --> 03:16:51,920
» The staff did add some helpful sort of

4189
03:16:49,279 --> 03:16:54,479
inspiration photos to chapter 2 and

4190
03:16:51,920 --> 03:16:58,399
three, if you look at um in chapter 3

4191
03:16:54,479 --> 03:17:01,680
under each uh housing product type, so

4192
03:16:58,399 --> 03:17:03,680
single family uh you know, multifamily

4193
03:17:01,680 --> 03:17:05,520
mid, multif family high, etc., they do

4194
03:17:03,680 --> 03:17:06,880
have some inspiration photos that might

4195
03:17:05,520 --> 03:17:07,920
be helpful. But I do take your point

4196
03:17:06,880 --> 03:17:10,080
that we can

4197
03:17:07,920 --> 03:17:13,600
» Yeah, I think we can do better, you

4198
03:17:10,080 --> 03:17:16,000
know, like maybe if there was kind of a

4199
03:17:13,600 --> 03:17:18,080
like a like a drone footage, you know,

4200
03:17:16,000 --> 03:17:20,479
something that's that really, you know,

4201
03:17:18,080 --> 03:17:22,319
like gives you a feel.

4202
03:17:20,479 --> 03:17:24,000
» Um, you know, as council member Davis

4203
03:17:22,319 --> 03:17:26,239
had said, I mean, she, you know, we'd

4204
03:17:24,000 --> 03:17:27,120
like to see this this uh site be

4205
03:17:26,239 --> 03:17:29,520
beautiful. Yeah.

4206
03:17:27,120 --> 03:17:32,239
» You know, and and and attractive.

4207
03:17:29,520 --> 03:17:36,239
Absolutely. Everyone does. So, but being

4208
03:17:32,239 --> 03:17:37,359
able to see it um would would be

4209
03:17:36,239 --> 03:17:38,800
extremely helpful.

4210
03:17:37,359 --> 03:17:40,800
» Okay. I appreciate that feedback and

4211
03:17:38,800 --> 03:17:41,120
I'll let um the team answer your other

4212
03:17:40,800 --> 03:17:43,439
question.

4213
03:17:41,120 --> 03:17:47,160
» Okay, great. Thank you, Katie. So, yeah.

4214
03:17:43,439 --> 03:17:47,160
Yes, the 50 foot.

4215
03:17:48,960 --> 03:17:52,800
» We have our uh historical consultant

4216
03:17:50,960 --> 03:17:54,160
online who's going to help answer that.

4217
03:17:52,800 --> 03:17:56,000
Um Kathy's

4218
03:17:54,160 --> 03:17:57,840
» Okay.

4219
03:17:56,000 --> 03:17:59,120
» Hi, this is Kathy Cleveland. I'm a

4220
03:17:57,840 --> 03:18:01,120
senior architectural historian with

4221
03:17:59,120 --> 03:18:03,802
environmental science associates and I

4222
03:18:01,120 --> 03:18:06,560
worked on the uh built environment

4223
03:18:03,802 --> 03:18:09,920
[clears throat] analysis for the EIR. Uh

4224
03:18:06,560 --> 03:18:12,800
the 50oot buffer specifically was

4225
03:18:09,920 --> 03:18:15,520
regarding the historical significance of

4226
03:18:12,800 --> 03:18:19,680
the roundhouse facility in order to

4227
03:18:15,520 --> 03:18:21,600
minimize the visual impact of new

4228
03:18:19,680 --> 03:18:24,000
construction in the immediate vicinity

4229
03:18:21,600 --> 03:18:27,680
of the building itself. So the height

4230
03:18:24,000 --> 03:18:30,657
restrictions, the materials, the brick

4231
03:18:27,680 --> 03:18:32,399
uh requirements and the curve linear

4232
03:18:30,657 --> 03:18:34,160
[clears throat] massing all kind of

4233
03:18:32,399 --> 03:18:36,640
speak to that issue. So that's why the

4234
03:18:34,160 --> 03:18:38,160
50ft goer we wanted to encourage

4235
03:18:36,640 --> 03:18:39,840
consideration

4236
03:18:38,160 --> 03:18:43,760
of the [clears throat] resource the

4237
03:18:39,840 --> 03:18:45,120
roundhouse as a historical resource. So

4238
03:18:43,760 --> 03:18:49,279
yes, that's why.

4239
03:18:45,120 --> 03:18:52,399
» Oh okay. So could that I mean is 50 feet

4240
03:18:49,279 --> 03:18:53,920
the minimum? I mean, could it be 100 ft?

4241
03:18:52,399 --> 03:18:56,319
I'm just I'm just kind of curious about

4242
03:18:53,920 --> 03:18:58,399
like why it's 50 feet.

4243
03:18:56,319 --> 03:18:59,439
» Uh, it was the idea of the immediate

4244
03:18:58,399 --> 03:19:00,960
visual impact.

4245
03:18:59,439 --> 03:19:02,399
» Just immediate. Okay.

4246
03:19:00,960 --> 03:19:06,000
» Mhm.

4247
03:19:02,399 --> 03:19:07,760
» All right. And then um

4248
03:19:06,000 --> 03:19:10,319
you know also you know kind of

4249
03:19:07,760 --> 03:19:12,880
piggybacking on what uh council member

4250
03:19:10,319 --> 03:19:15,853
Davis said about

4251
03:19:12,880 --> 03:19:17,840
having the buildings look inviting

4252
03:19:15,853 --> 03:19:19,760
[clears throat] and and you know and

4253
03:19:17,840 --> 03:19:21,920
kind of playing on the theme of of

4254
03:19:19,760 --> 03:19:25,678
building thriving neighborhoods you know

4255
03:19:21,920 --> 03:19:27,359
engaging. So um

4256
03:19:25,678 --> 03:19:29,600
[clears throat] did you ever consult say

4257
03:19:27,359 --> 03:19:31,920
with the urban lands institute or

4258
03:19:29,600 --> 03:19:34,960
American institute of architects you

4259
03:19:31,920 --> 03:19:38,720
know that where they're um you know

4260
03:19:34,960 --> 03:19:40,479
helping developers helping cities to to

4261
03:19:38,720 --> 03:19:43,359
implement those things. I see you nod

4262
03:19:40,479 --> 03:19:46,640
your head like

4263
03:19:43,359 --> 03:19:49,279
Okay. So, I mean I How about you guys?

4264
03:19:46,640 --> 03:19:51,279
Did you Was that I mean I know you you

4265
03:19:49,279 --> 03:19:53,680
know you're specialized in doing that

4266
03:19:51,279 --> 03:19:56,960
but you know it's always good to get

4267
03:19:53,680 --> 03:20:01,520
other opinions you know and the city has

4268
03:19:56,960 --> 03:20:04,239
uh also utilize ULI and AIA uh for

4269
03:20:01,520 --> 03:20:06,399
various parts of of Brisbane.

4270
03:20:04,239 --> 03:20:07,920
» Uh I know I'm members of both and I

4271
03:20:06,399 --> 03:20:13,239
think our design team is as well.

4272
03:20:07,920 --> 03:20:13,239
» Likewise. Yeah, likewise. Um,

4273
03:20:13,359 --> 03:20:19,120
good question, council member. Um,

4274
03:20:16,800 --> 03:20:22,239
I would say,

4275
03:20:19,120 --> 03:20:25,920
you know, a lot of our role in this

4276
03:20:22,239 --> 03:20:27,920
project was shifting the design

4277
03:20:25,920 --> 03:20:32,239
guidelines at the time into objective

4278
03:20:27,920 --> 03:20:34,080
design standards. And so we and watching

4279
03:20:32,239 --> 03:20:37,120
out for feasibility challenges

4280
03:20:34,080 --> 03:20:40,479
associated with development. We did not

4281
03:20:37,120 --> 03:20:42,319
add meaningful a significant number of

4282
03:20:40,479 --> 03:20:43,840
design standards on top of the

4283
03:20:42,319 --> 03:20:46,160
components that already existed in the

4284
03:20:43,840 --> 03:20:47,840
plan from 2025 unless they directly

4285
03:20:46,160 --> 03:20:49,760
addressed mitigation measures from the

4286
03:20:47,840 --> 03:20:51,840
EIR.

4287
03:20:49,760 --> 03:20:55,439
If we were to go down a path of doing

4288
03:20:51,840 --> 03:20:56,960
more what you're describing, which is

4289
03:20:55,439 --> 03:20:58,479
there's two sort of paths that we've

4290
03:20:56,960 --> 03:21:00,640
taken on this. One is looking at

4291
03:20:58,479 --> 03:21:02,160
precedent and we've done design

4292
03:21:00,640 --> 03:21:05,680
standards and guidelines documents up

4293
03:21:02,160 --> 03:21:07,920
and down the peninsula. Uh and the other

4294
03:21:05,680 --> 03:21:09,760
would and our preferred approach would

4295
03:21:07,920 --> 03:21:12,000
be to engage the community in what is

4296
03:21:09,760 --> 03:21:14,640
authentically Brisbane and bring that

4297
03:21:12,000 --> 03:21:16,960
character in that was not within the

4298
03:21:14,640 --> 03:21:19,120
time constraints of sort of where we

4299
03:21:16,960 --> 03:21:23,200
were to get from the 2025 applicant

4300
03:21:19,120 --> 03:21:26,479
specific plan to uh this specific plan.

4301
03:21:23,200 --> 03:21:29,600
So we we to the extent we could we added

4302
03:21:26,479 --> 03:21:31,120
the layers well we directly added the

4303
03:21:29,600 --> 03:21:34,080
layers associated with mitigation

4304
03:21:31,120 --> 03:21:35,840
measures uh but we stopped short of

4305
03:21:34,080 --> 03:21:37,600
trying to add additional layers to

4306
03:21:35,840 --> 03:21:40,160
support the uh feasibility of the

4307
03:21:37,600 --> 03:21:43,840
project and flexibility therein.

4308
03:21:40,160 --> 03:21:46,160
» Okay. Thank you for just being upfront

4309
03:21:43,840 --> 03:21:48,880
and and just straightforward. I I

4310
03:21:46,160 --> 03:21:52,000
appreciate that. um you know, being

4311
03:21:48,880 --> 03:21:55,760
under the gun, so to speak, right, to to

4312
03:21:52,000 --> 03:21:59,120
to move this thing forward. Um I I think

4313
03:21:55,760 --> 03:22:00,800
that would be a shame if that was to

4314
03:21:59,120 --> 03:22:02,960
cause us not to have that kind of

4315
03:22:00,800 --> 03:22:06,720
engagement and create those types of

4316
03:22:02,960 --> 03:22:09,920
guidelines. Um, so

4317
03:22:06,720 --> 03:22:13,920
I would like for staff and also to work

4318
03:22:09,920 --> 03:22:17,200
with with the developer to think of a

4319
03:22:13,920 --> 03:22:19,680
way given our schedule that maybe we

4320
03:22:17,200 --> 03:22:21,920
could have that public engagement

4321
03:22:19,680 --> 03:22:23,920
if that is something that the council um

4322
03:22:21,920 --> 03:22:26,880
would be okay with as long as it doesn't

4323
03:22:23,920 --> 03:22:30,399
disrupt our our current schedule.

4324
03:22:26,880 --> 03:22:33,920
I'm I'm not sure you're asking for to

4325
03:22:30,399 --> 03:22:36,560
have another hearing or engagement about

4326
03:22:33,920 --> 03:22:39,279
what the the buildings are going to look

4327
03:22:36,560 --> 03:22:41,040
like. So that

4328
03:22:39,279 --> 03:22:43,359
but we don't even have someone who's

4329
03:22:41,040 --> 03:22:46,800
going to build them yet. Wouldn't that

4330
03:22:43,359 --> 03:22:51,520
be up to the developer, the actual

4331
03:22:46,800 --> 03:22:53,520
builder to come in with those

4332
03:22:51,520 --> 03:22:55,840
that information rather than trying to

4333
03:22:53,520 --> 03:22:56,720
be prescriptive at this point in a

4334
03:22:55,840 --> 03:22:59,600
specific plan?

4335
03:22:56,720 --> 03:23:03,520
» Uh, well, you know, I'm just, you know,

4336
03:22:59,600 --> 03:23:04,720
just I'm not an expert, but what uh I'm

4337
03:23:03,520 --> 03:23:06,640
sorry, your name, sir?

4338
03:23:04,720 --> 03:23:07,520
» My name is Woody Hansen from Site Lab

4339
03:23:06,640 --> 03:23:08,479
Urban Studio.

4340
03:23:07,520 --> 03:23:09,200
» Will is it?

4341
03:23:08,479 --> 03:23:10,160
» Woody.

4342
03:23:09,200 --> 03:23:13,520
» We Woody.

4343
03:23:10,160 --> 03:23:15,920
» Woody. Oh, sorry. Gez, man. apologize,

4344
03:23:13,520 --> 03:23:17,760
but from what what he said to me that

4345
03:23:15,920 --> 03:23:20,319
made a lot of sense and that would be I

4346
03:23:17,760 --> 03:23:22,560
think a real benefit um for for the

4347
03:23:20,319 --> 03:23:25,840
community and for us as a council to

4348
03:23:22,560 --> 03:23:28,080
» To put forth I think some buildings that

4349
03:23:25,840 --> 03:23:32,080
that look really beautiful. So Woody,

4350
03:23:28,080 --> 03:23:33,840
» Well I what I would clarify is

4351
03:23:32,080 --> 03:23:36,560
uh

4352
03:23:33,840 --> 03:23:39,840
you can always go further on objective

4353
03:23:36,560 --> 03:23:42,800
design standards, right? But that runs

4354
03:23:39,840 --> 03:23:44,319
up against feasibility the nature of

4355
03:23:42,800 --> 03:23:46,800
feasibility and flexibility of a project

4356
03:23:44,319 --> 03:23:49,040
and how prescriptive something looks. So

4357
03:23:46,800 --> 03:23:50,560
our suggest what I was suggesting for is

4358
03:23:49,040 --> 03:23:52,479
not to come forward with specific

4359
03:23:50,560 --> 03:23:55,359
architecture but if there were

4360
03:23:52,479 --> 03:23:58,160
components of the plan that feel under

4361
03:23:55,359 --> 03:23:59,680
represented in terms of the level of uh

4362
03:23:58,160 --> 03:24:02,000
definition you want to see in

4363
03:23:59,680 --> 03:24:04,080
characteristics that are defining of

4364
03:24:02,000 --> 03:24:05,840
Brisbane. Those would be elements that

4365
03:24:04,080 --> 03:24:07,680
you could add as objective design

4366
03:24:05,840 --> 03:24:10,239
standards that then future architecture

4367
03:24:07,680 --> 03:24:12,640
would have to adhere to.

4368
03:24:10,239 --> 03:24:13,279
» Okay. Thank thank you for clarifying,

4369
03:24:12,640 --> 03:24:16,080
Katie.

4370
03:24:13,279 --> 03:24:17,920
» Yeah, if I may. Um, thank you. It's it's

4371
03:24:16,080 --> 03:24:19,439
a great topic because obviously we we

4372
03:24:17,920 --> 03:24:20,960
all want the balance to feel like it's

4373
03:24:19,439 --> 03:24:23,439
part of Brisbane and we don't want it to

4374
03:24:20,960 --> 03:24:26,560
feel like it's this separate thing. You

4375
03:24:23,439 --> 03:24:28,479
know, we want it to feel cohesive um and

4376
03:24:26,560 --> 03:24:30,880
to reflect the community's values. And

4377
03:24:28,479 --> 03:24:34,000
that's why, you know, this land use plan

4378
03:24:30,880 --> 03:24:35,680
really was built around a long series of

4379
03:24:34,000 --> 03:24:37,520
community workshops and input that

4380
03:24:35,680 --> 03:24:39,040
happened when it was first put together.

4381
03:24:37,520 --> 03:24:40,880
And then of course at the time we also

4382
03:24:39,040 --> 03:24:43,680
did work with leading architecture firms

4383
03:24:40,880 --> 03:24:46,479
to put it together. Um we were you know

4384
03:24:43,680 --> 03:24:49,439
we engaged with ULI for a long time. And

4385
03:24:46,479 --> 03:24:52,399
then I do have Allison Harvey from OJB

4386
03:24:49,439 --> 03:24:55,040
on who can speak a little bit about the

4387
03:24:52,399 --> 03:24:58,160
uh open space network that they recently

4388
03:24:55,040 --> 03:25:00,479
received an award on. Um, and so I think

4389
03:24:58,160 --> 03:25:03,200
I bring all this up to to illustrate

4390
03:25:00,479 --> 03:25:06,800
that we are trying to be at the

4391
03:25:03,200 --> 03:25:09,840
forefront of good design and making sure

4392
03:25:06,800 --> 03:25:12,640
that this is a program that is practical

4393
03:25:09,840 --> 03:25:14,319
and beautiful, but also realizing that

4394
03:25:12,640 --> 03:25:16,720
the specific plan has to be able to

4395
03:25:14,319 --> 03:25:18,640
adapt to changing conditions over time.

4396
03:25:16,720 --> 03:25:20,880
We don't want to say all these houses

4397
03:25:18,640 --> 03:25:22,720
have to be blue and then, you know, 10

4398
03:25:20,880 --> 03:25:25,600
years from now everyone says I hate blue

4399
03:25:22,720 --> 03:25:28,479
houses. So that's a simple example, but

4400
03:25:25,600 --> 03:25:30,960
we really need to have that um

4401
03:25:28,479 --> 03:25:32,960
adaptability in the specific plan. And

4402
03:25:30,960 --> 03:25:34,880
so I think that's why we have a good mix

4403
03:25:32,960 --> 03:25:36,720
right now of these design standards that

4404
03:25:34,880 --> 03:25:39,680
kind of put the shell and the parameters

4405
03:25:36,720 --> 03:25:42,880
in place, but then allow for some um

4406
03:25:39,680 --> 03:25:45,359
growth and in dynamic uh changes over

4407
03:25:42,880 --> 03:25:46,479
time as the community and and others

4408
03:25:45,359 --> 03:25:47,920
give us input.

4409
03:25:46,479 --> 03:25:50,720
» Yeah. Yeah. And I I hear what you're

4410
03:25:47,920 --> 03:25:52,800
saying and I agree. you know, um, having

4411
03:25:50,720 --> 03:25:55,840
those, uh, renderings I think would be

4412
03:25:52,800 --> 03:25:58,960
really helpful. Um, you know, being able

4413
03:25:55,840 --> 03:26:02,080
to apply say some ULI additional

4414
03:25:58,960 --> 03:26:05,279
objective standards. I mean, obviously

4415
03:26:02,080 --> 03:26:06,960
ULI is, you know, top of the line.

4416
03:26:05,279 --> 03:26:08,319
They're not going to say, yeah, all the

4417
03:26:06,960 --> 03:26:09,600
houses are going to be blue. Yeah.

4418
03:26:08,319 --> 03:26:12,960
Right. They're going to provide

4419
03:26:09,600 --> 03:26:15,120
objective design standards that

4420
03:26:12,960 --> 03:26:17,040
» Provide the flexibility

4421
03:26:15,120 --> 03:26:19,200
uh, and also have great design. So,

4422
03:26:17,040 --> 03:26:22,000
» Yeah. Would it be okay for Allison to

4423
03:26:19,200 --> 03:26:23,359
speak about um award? I think she I

4424
03:26:22,000 --> 03:26:24,880
asked her if she would raise her hand on

4425
03:26:23,359 --> 03:26:27,880
the Zoom. I don't know who's operating

4426
03:26:24,880 --> 03:26:27,880
that.

4427
03:26:44,560 --> 03:26:49,359
If if I may for just a moment, you know,

4428
03:26:47,200 --> 03:26:51,520
when you talk about setting up a design

4429
03:26:49,359 --> 03:26:55,439
standard, you know, you can tell when a

4430
03:26:51,520 --> 03:27:00,239
house was built in the ' 60s, '7s, 80s,

4431
03:26:55,439 --> 03:27:02,239
90s, 2000s, 2010s, and 2020s. Is that

4432
03:27:00,239 --> 03:27:04,640
what we want to design to when this is

4433
03:27:02,239 --> 03:27:07,439
going to take decades?

4434
03:27:04,640 --> 03:27:11,840
No, what it is is apply an objective

4435
03:27:07,439 --> 03:27:15,200
standards that create flexibility. So,

4436
03:27:11,840 --> 03:27:17,200
you know, the thing about buildings, you

4437
03:27:15,200 --> 03:27:19,680
know, when a building has been designed

4438
03:27:17,200 --> 03:27:22,640
well and it could you it could have been

4439
03:27:19,680 --> 03:27:25,920
designed in the 1930s or

4440
03:27:22,640 --> 03:27:28,239
1950s and it might not look very well,

4441
03:27:25,920 --> 03:27:30,720
very good. But you could have a building

4442
03:27:28,239 --> 03:27:32,720
that was designed in the 1970s or or

4443
03:27:30,720 --> 03:27:36,720
just a few years ago. But if it, you

4444
03:27:32,720 --> 03:27:40,800
know, quality is, it never goes out of

4445
03:27:36,720 --> 03:27:42,880
style. And so you have someone like ULI,

4446
03:27:40,800 --> 03:27:45,040
you know, providing those objective

4447
03:27:42,880 --> 03:27:46,960
standards, you're going to have the very

4448
03:27:45,040 --> 03:27:51,439
best. So

4449
03:27:46,960 --> 03:27:52,239
is your um colleague online?

4450
03:27:51,439 --> 03:27:55,239
Allison.

4451
03:27:52,239 --> 03:27:55,239
» Allison.

4452
03:27:56,479 --> 03:28:00,200
Allison, go ahead.

4453
03:28:05,040 --> 03:28:08,399
We we can come back to Allison if you'd

4454
03:28:06,800 --> 03:28:09,600
like.

4455
03:28:08,399 --> 03:28:10,000
» Can you hear me?

4456
03:28:09,600 --> 03:28:10,560
» Oh,

4457
03:28:10,000 --> 03:28:14,359
» Yes.

4458
03:28:10,560 --> 03:28:14,359
» There we go. Go ahead.

4459
03:28:14,800 --> 03:28:20,960
» Hello everybody. I'm Allison Harvey. I'm

4460
03:28:17,279 --> 03:28:24,399
a landscape architect with OJB Studios.

4461
03:28:20,960 --> 03:28:27,680
Um we have been involved with um the

4462
03:28:24,399 --> 03:28:30,560
specific plan since 2019.

4463
03:28:27,680 --> 03:28:34,560
And um one of the things that I'm

4464
03:28:30,560 --> 03:28:39,279
extremely proud of is actually um the um

4465
03:28:34,560 --> 03:28:43,120
specific plan um received a an ASLA a

4466
03:28:39,279 --> 03:28:46,399
San Diego ASLA green ribbon award for

4467
03:28:43,120 --> 03:28:50,720
its advancement in sustainability and

4468
03:28:46,399 --> 03:28:52,560
sensitivity to um environmental needs.

4469
03:28:50,720 --> 03:28:55,279
specifically looking at the American

4470
03:28:52,560 --> 03:28:57,760
Society of Landscape Architects goals um

4471
03:28:55,279 --> 03:29:01,200
in their climate action plan. And this

4472
03:28:57,760 --> 03:29:03,359
just happened a couple months ago. Um

4473
03:29:01,200 --> 03:29:05,600
and you know, another thing is that I'm

4474
03:29:03,359 --> 03:29:09,200
very proud to be a part of OJB which has

4475
03:29:05,600 --> 03:29:13,279
received uh four ULI awards for

4476
03:29:09,200 --> 03:29:16,080
designing uh urban open space. So it has

4477
03:29:13,279 --> 03:29:19,600
been a goal within this document to

4478
03:29:16,080 --> 03:29:23,600
ensure that the the flexibility that

4479
03:29:19,600 --> 03:29:26,399
we're we need as designers is there um

4480
03:29:23,600 --> 03:29:29,200
but that there is a strong framework to

4481
03:29:26,399 --> 03:29:31,680
the design that's going to yield um

4482
03:29:29,200 --> 03:29:33,600
those values within that that I think

4483
03:29:31,680 --> 03:29:37,040
you're talking about you know embodied

4484
03:29:33,600 --> 03:29:39,680
by the ULI um which is about you know

4485
03:29:37,040 --> 03:29:42,880
what makes great public space what makes

4486
03:29:39,680 --> 03:29:46,720
great communities Um, and each open

4487
03:29:42,880 --> 03:29:49,520
space that that we documented really

4488
03:29:46,720 --> 03:29:52,239
strives to create unique opportunities

4489
03:29:49,520 --> 03:29:55,600
within uh Brisbane

4490
03:29:52,239 --> 03:29:59,359
um that that celebrates the character um

4491
03:29:55,600 --> 03:30:01,439
of of the region.

4492
03:29:59,359 --> 03:30:02,960
» Thank you, Alison. I appreciate that.

4493
03:30:01,439 --> 03:30:06,160
» Yeah.

4494
03:30:02,960 --> 03:30:08,239
» All right. Um,

4495
03:30:06,160 --> 03:30:12,800
council member Kern mentioned uh the

4496
03:30:08,239 --> 03:30:14,720
middle school and the size. Um,

4497
03:30:12,800 --> 03:30:17,279
so

4498
03:30:14,720 --> 03:30:19,279
the bay lands is in the Bayore School

4499
03:30:17,279 --> 03:30:22,479
District. It's not in the Brisbane

4500
03:30:19,279 --> 03:30:27,200
school district. Um, a couple of months

4501
03:30:22,479 --> 03:30:29,600
ago, uh, some parents started a petition

4502
03:30:27,200 --> 03:30:32,239
and I'm just curious, have have you seen

4503
03:30:29,600 --> 03:30:34,319
the petition, Stephanie?

4504
03:30:32,239 --> 03:30:37,680
» You have seen it. Okay. All right. And I

4505
03:30:34,319 --> 03:30:41,920
I just printed it out um yesterday. It's

4506
03:30:37,680 --> 03:30:44,640
got uh 284 signatures and the the title

4507
03:30:41,920 --> 03:30:48,319
of the petition says one school district

4508
03:30:44,640 --> 03:30:51,120
for all Brisbane students.

4509
03:30:48,319 --> 03:30:53,760
I'm going to read a a a passage in it.

4510
03:30:51,120 --> 03:30:56,479
Uh it says,

4511
03:30:53,760 --> 03:30:58,800
"Our local schools are a vital pillar of

4512
03:30:56,479 --> 03:31:00,880
our community. When the Northeast Ridge

4513
03:30:58,800 --> 03:31:03,680
was built, the Brisbane School District

4514
03:31:00,880 --> 03:31:06,560
served as the bridge uniting new and

4515
03:31:03,680 --> 03:31:09,359
longtime residents. As new neighborhoods

4516
03:31:06,560 --> 03:31:12,960
arise in the Baylands, how will we

4517
03:31:09,359 --> 03:31:16,080
connect with these future citizens? So,

4518
03:31:12,960 --> 03:31:19,760
yeah. So, I mean, do you feel that that

4519
03:31:16,080 --> 03:31:22,479
schools are vital to community and um so

4520
03:31:19,760 --> 03:31:23,840
that's the the first question and then

4521
03:31:22,479 --> 03:31:25,680
that that connection? So, if you

4522
03:31:23,840 --> 03:31:27,680
wouldn't mind coming to the podium,

4523
03:31:25,680 --> 03:31:29,840
please. and Madison, if you want to add

4524
03:31:27,680 --> 03:31:30,560
any questions. Um,

4525
03:31:29,840 --> 03:31:33,560
» Yeah.

4526
03:31:30,560 --> 03:31:33,560
» Yes.

4527
03:31:36,720 --> 03:31:40,720
» Okay.

4528
03:31:37,279 --> 03:31:42,239
» Thank you for that. Um, so of course

4529
03:31:40,720 --> 03:31:44,239
obviously school is important to

4530
03:31:42,239 --> 03:31:46,560
community and and we recognize that and

4531
03:31:44,239 --> 03:31:48,319
we're aware of the the petition and and

4532
03:31:46,560 --> 03:31:50,239
we want the balance to reflect the

4533
03:31:48,319 --> 03:31:52,239
interests of the community. Um

4534
03:31:50,239 --> 03:31:54,800
ultimately what school district the

4535
03:31:52,239 --> 03:31:56,479
balance is is you know a more complex

4536
03:31:54,800 --> 03:31:58,560
question that we can't answer alone

4537
03:31:56,479 --> 03:32:00,960
that's going to require engagement with

4538
03:31:58,560 --> 03:32:02,080
the community with both school districts

4539
03:32:00,960 --> 03:32:04,640
probably with the department of

4540
03:32:02,080 --> 03:32:06,800
education. So we're not we don't see

4541
03:32:04,640 --> 03:32:08,080
ourselves as as the final decision maker

4542
03:32:06,800 --> 03:32:11,120
on that. You know as part of the

4543
03:32:08,080 --> 03:32:15,200
specific plan we responded to a city of

4544
03:32:11,120 --> 03:32:16,720
Brisbane uh commission study that said a

4545
03:32:15,200 --> 03:32:18,479
middle school would most likely be

4546
03:32:16,720 --> 03:32:21,760
necessary. And so we set aside some

4547
03:32:18,479 --> 03:32:25,040
potential parcels for a middle school.

4548
03:32:21,760 --> 03:32:27,120
However, again, we are are really just

4549
03:32:25,040 --> 03:32:29,200
here to be reflective of the community's

4550
03:32:27,120 --> 03:32:31,359
needs. You know, we're not the ones who

4551
03:32:29,200 --> 03:32:32,560
are going to define um what school

4552
03:32:31,359 --> 03:32:34,640
should go there, but we're happy to

4553
03:32:32,560 --> 03:32:35,680
participate in any conversations about

4554
03:32:34,640 --> 03:32:38,319
that.

4555
03:32:35,680 --> 03:32:39,600
» Okay. All right.

4556
03:32:38,319 --> 03:32:42,319
Council member,

4557
03:32:39,600 --> 03:32:43,920
» But don't you

4558
03:32:42,319 --> 03:32:47,680
don't you do have a role to play? I

4559
03:32:43,920 --> 03:32:50,479
mean, as the property owner and that the

4560
03:32:47,680 --> 03:32:52,160
property is vacant, right? It's my

4561
03:32:50,479 --> 03:32:55,120
understanding that properties of this

4562
03:32:52,160 --> 03:32:58,160
nature, you could as a property owner

4563
03:32:55,120 --> 03:32:59,600
petition the county to redraw the

4564
03:32:58,160 --> 03:33:02,640
district lines and that would be

4565
03:32:59,600 --> 03:33:06,239
something that would come from you. It

4566
03:33:02,640 --> 03:33:07,760
wouldn't come from us. So, I do think

4567
03:33:06,239 --> 03:33:10,640
that there is a little bit of a stronger

4568
03:33:07,760 --> 03:33:12,319
role that you could play in determining

4569
03:33:10,640 --> 03:33:15,279
the elementary school district that

4570
03:33:12,319 --> 03:33:17,760
served by the bay lands.

4571
03:33:15,279 --> 03:33:20,080
» Yeah, I'm vaguely familiar with that

4572
03:33:17,760 --> 03:33:22,160
process. It's not something that um we

4573
03:33:20,080 --> 03:33:23,920
have a lot of deep expertise on, but I I

4574
03:33:22,160 --> 03:33:26,479
know what you're referencing about a

4575
03:33:23,920 --> 03:33:28,399
landowner being able to put forward a

4576
03:33:26,479 --> 03:33:31,120
request um to change the school

4577
03:33:28,399 --> 03:33:32,720
district. Again, I I don't mean to say

4578
03:33:31,120 --> 03:33:34,640
that we wouldn't be involved. We're

4579
03:33:32,720 --> 03:33:35,600
happy to have these conversations with

4580
03:33:34,640 --> 03:33:37,279
the community, to have these

4581
03:33:35,600 --> 03:33:38,880
conversations with the district, but

4582
03:33:37,279 --> 03:33:42,319
it's my understanding that even if we

4583
03:33:38,880 --> 03:33:44,960
were to put forward um that request that

4584
03:33:42,319 --> 03:33:47,200
it still would need to be approved by

4585
03:33:44,960 --> 03:33:49,200
the appropriate districts and

4586
03:33:47,200 --> 03:33:50,720
potentially the county, maybe even the

4587
03:33:49,200 --> 03:33:53,200
state board of education. I don't know

4588
03:33:50,720 --> 03:33:54,880
the exact details of that. So again, we

4589
03:33:53,200 --> 03:33:57,840
I'm not saying we are not involved. We

4590
03:33:54,880 --> 03:34:01,840
are happy to be involved. I think we

4591
03:33:57,840 --> 03:34:03,840
just are not the main um we're not the

4592
03:34:01,840 --> 03:34:05,120
folks who are guiding the direction that

4593
03:34:03,840 --> 03:34:07,279
that's going. That really should come

4594
03:34:05,120 --> 03:34:09,520
from the community and the parents in

4595
03:34:07,279 --> 03:34:10,560
Brisbane and the school district. So, it

4596
03:34:09,520 --> 03:34:12,399
needs to be a more collaborative

4597
03:34:10,560 --> 03:34:16,399
discussion, but we are happy to take an

4598
03:34:12,399 --> 03:34:17,520
active role in that discussion.

4599
03:34:16,399 --> 03:34:19,040
» I'm asking, you have any other

4600
03:34:17,520 --> 03:34:19,520
questions? I I have a couple more, but

4601
03:34:19,040 --> 03:34:21,760
I'll if

4602
03:34:19,520 --> 03:34:22,479
» I was going to I'll let you

4603
03:34:21,760 --> 03:34:24,560
» Oh, okay.

4604
03:34:22,479 --> 03:34:26,720
» Go and then I'll chime in.

4605
03:34:24,560 --> 03:34:29,120
» All right. All right. So, um, getting

4606
03:34:26,720 --> 03:34:31,920
back to the the petition there, it says

4607
03:34:29,120 --> 03:34:34,319
here, um, when the Bayands was annexed

4608
03:34:31,920 --> 03:34:38,080
into the city of Brisbane in 1963, so

4609
03:34:34,319 --> 03:34:39,600
the city became a city in 1961. Um, its

4610
03:34:38,080 --> 03:34:42,000
school district boundaries were never

4611
03:34:39,600 --> 03:34:43,920
updated to match leaving the land in the

4612
03:34:42,000 --> 03:34:45,760
Beayore school district. And back in the

4613
03:34:43,920 --> 03:34:47,680
day, Brisbane and Bashore were one

4614
03:34:45,760 --> 03:34:49,520
school district, the visitation uh,

4615
03:34:47,680 --> 03:34:52,720
school district. Back in the 30s, they

4616
03:34:49,520 --> 03:34:54,000
split up. Um, and then it goes on to

4617
03:34:52,720 --> 03:34:56,080
say, you know, rather than accepting

4618
03:34:54,000 --> 03:34:58,800
outdated boundaries that risk dividing

4619
03:34:56,080 --> 03:35:02,080
us, we should embrace a one Brisbane

4620
03:34:58,800 --> 03:35:04,160
vision. It just makes common sense for a

4621
03:35:02,080 --> 03:35:05,600
small city to keep all of its elementary

4622
03:35:04,160 --> 03:35:06,720
students together. And I hope I don't

4623
03:35:05,600 --> 03:35:08,880
steal your stunt cuz I know that's

4624
03:35:06,720 --> 03:35:11,600
something that's important to you. Okay.

4625
03:35:08,880 --> 03:35:13,600
So um

4626
03:35:11,600 --> 03:35:16,080
so then it goes on to say you know um

4627
03:35:13,600 --> 03:35:18,560
for people to sign the petition and then

4628
03:35:16,080 --> 03:35:21,040
to urge the Brisbane school district,

4629
03:35:18,560 --> 03:35:23,520
the Brisbane City Council

4630
03:35:21,040 --> 03:35:25,200
and the Bayand uh Development Inc. to

4631
03:35:23,520 --> 03:35:27,520
collaborate on the necessary steps to

4632
03:35:25,200 --> 03:35:31,600
unite all Brisbane students under one

4633
03:35:27,520 --> 03:35:34,080
school district. So um

4634
03:35:31,600 --> 03:35:37,760
I have this flowchart here. It's from a

4635
03:35:34,080 --> 03:35:41,120
study that you guys um funded. It was

4636
03:35:37,760 --> 03:35:42,960
maybe in 2019, right? And it gets to

4637
03:35:41,120 --> 03:35:45,279
council member Davis's point, right?

4638
03:35:42,960 --> 03:35:47,840
It's got this flowchart and it talks

4639
03:35:45,279 --> 03:35:51,040
about how if there's property that's

4640
03:35:47,840 --> 03:35:54,160
uninhabited that it's the, you know, the

4641
03:35:51,040 --> 03:35:56,880
property owner. They're the ones to

4642
03:35:54,160 --> 03:36:00,000
do the petition and then send it into

4643
03:35:56,880 --> 03:36:02,160
the uh county superintendent goes before

4644
03:36:00,000 --> 03:36:04,880
a committee and then that committee

4645
03:36:02,160 --> 03:36:07,120
decides who's going to vote. So the only

4646
03:36:04,880 --> 03:36:09,439
way for this really to start would be

4647
03:36:07,120 --> 03:36:12,479
from you guys and I just curious to know

4648
03:36:09,439 --> 03:36:15,200
if that's something that you are

4649
03:36:12,479 --> 03:36:18,439
considering doing. I'm just just asking

4650
03:36:15,200 --> 03:36:18,439
a question.

4651
03:36:23,920 --> 03:36:29,040
Um I will have to take another look at

4652
03:36:26,880 --> 03:36:31,279
the flowchart because I'm not intimately

4653
03:36:29,040 --> 03:36:32,960
familiar with it tonight.

4654
03:36:31,279 --> 03:36:35,439
» But yeah, I think as I mentioned, you

4655
03:36:32,960 --> 03:36:37,359
know, we we want to be open to any kind

4656
03:36:35,439 --> 03:36:38,800
of conversation around the whatever

4657
03:36:37,359 --> 03:36:42,960
school might come to fruition at the

4658
03:36:38,800 --> 03:36:44,399
balance. Um again, I just we aren't in a

4659
03:36:42,960 --> 03:36:46,239
position where we should be moving

4660
03:36:44,399 --> 03:36:48,560
unilaterally. I think we need to take

4661
03:36:46,239 --> 03:36:50,960
into consideration all the different

4662
03:36:48,560 --> 03:36:53,040
community stakeholders and make sure

4663
03:36:50,960 --> 03:36:55,120
that you know everyone has an

4664
03:36:53,040 --> 03:36:57,040
appropriate voice in this but we're

4665
03:36:55,120 --> 03:37:00,080
happy to continue this conversation

4666
03:36:57,040 --> 03:37:01,920
further. So to me, I mean, it seems like

4667
03:37:00,080 --> 03:37:04,640
next steps are outside of a council

4668
03:37:01,920 --> 03:37:07,680
meeting, but probably based on this

4669
03:37:04,640 --> 03:37:09,120
conversation. I mean, you're when you

4670
03:37:07,680 --> 03:37:11,520
were up at the podium last time, you

4671
03:37:09,120 --> 03:37:14,080
said that the

4672
03:37:11,520 --> 03:37:16,880
like the uh momentum really needs to

4673
03:37:14,080 --> 03:37:20,960
come from the community. And I feel that

4674
03:37:16,880 --> 03:37:23,359
the petition is exactly that. It is it

4675
03:37:20,960 --> 03:37:26,960
characterizes the momentum in the

4676
03:37:23,359 --> 03:37:31,040
community and the whole point of that is

4677
03:37:26,960 --> 03:37:34,080
to inspire action from

4678
03:37:31,040 --> 03:37:36,399
the city's leaders and also those who

4679
03:37:34,080 --> 03:37:38,640
have the ability to affect this issue.

4680
03:37:36,399 --> 03:37:40,239
So I feel like the momentum is already

4681
03:37:38,640 --> 03:37:42,160
there, the parents are already there,

4682
03:37:40,239 --> 03:37:45,439
the conversations are already happening.

4683
03:37:42,160 --> 03:37:47,520
So that doesn't need to be validated.

4684
03:37:45,439 --> 03:37:49,279
The petition has done that. that

4685
03:37:47,520 --> 03:37:51,520
petition has more signatures than I

4686
03:37:49,279 --> 03:37:54,080
think any petition we've ever received

4687
03:37:51,520 --> 03:37:55,359
as council members in the 11 years that

4688
03:37:54,080 --> 03:37:59,120
I've served.

4689
03:37:55,359 --> 03:38:02,160
» Um, and so I think at this point, if you

4690
03:37:59,120 --> 03:38:03,760
are serious about kind of exploring the

4691
03:38:02,160 --> 03:38:06,800
conversation,

4692
03:38:03,760 --> 03:38:12,479
what would be the next step would be to

4693
03:38:06,800 --> 03:38:16,560
have some kind of meeting. Um, and that

4694
03:38:12,479 --> 03:38:18,800
would bring to the table maybe couple of

4695
03:38:16,560 --> 03:38:22,000
members of the Beayshore School

4696
03:38:18,800 --> 03:38:25,120
District, couple members of the Brisbane

4697
03:38:22,000 --> 03:38:29,359
School District, potentially

4698
03:38:25,120 --> 03:38:32,640
a couple members of the city council,

4699
03:38:29,359 --> 03:38:36,720
could be the um two by members of the 2

4700
03:38:32,640 --> 03:38:38,399
by 2. But it seems like

4701
03:38:36,720 --> 03:38:41,040
it seems like it's time to plan

4702
03:38:38,399 --> 03:38:43,200
something. That's my takeaway and I

4703
03:38:41,040 --> 03:38:46,000
don't want to get too far off of, you

4704
03:38:43,200 --> 03:38:47,600
know, we're approaching 9:30, but I

4705
03:38:46,000 --> 03:38:51,200
think

4706
03:38:47,600 --> 03:38:54,560
» Based on the petition and your

4707
03:38:51,200 --> 03:38:58,479
willingness to explore further, I think

4708
03:38:54,560 --> 03:39:00,960
we should just plan a meeting.

4709
03:38:58,479 --> 03:39:02,000
Absolutely. Yeah. I um I know there's a

4710
03:39:00,960 --> 03:39:03,680
lot of folks here have been waiting to

4711
03:39:02,000 --> 03:39:05,520
speak so I don't want to stand in their

4712
03:39:03,680 --> 03:39:07,040
way too much longer but I think that

4713
03:39:05,520 --> 03:39:08,640
this is a really important topic and I

4714
03:39:07,040 --> 03:39:11,200
do think it's one that warrants probably

4715
03:39:08,640 --> 03:39:14,399
having some discussion outside of this

4716
03:39:11,200 --> 03:39:16,800
forum um and uh making sure that the

4717
03:39:14,399 --> 03:39:18,479
appropriate stakeholders are there from

4718
03:39:16,800 --> 03:39:20,319
both school districts and from this

4719
03:39:18,479 --> 03:39:22,560
community and you know to make sure that

4720
03:39:20,319 --> 03:39:26,000
it's a comprehensive conversation but

4721
03:39:22,560 --> 03:39:27,200
we're happy to engage with that and I

4722
03:39:26,000 --> 03:39:31,120
can talk to staff about the most

4723
03:39:27,200 --> 03:39:31,120
appropriate way to go about setting that

4724
03:39:33,439 --> 03:39:39,520
Yeah. Um, okay.

4725
03:39:37,279 --> 03:39:41,120
Blands Boulevard, right? So, that's the

4726
03:39:39,520 --> 03:39:43,760
shopping

4727
03:39:41,120 --> 03:39:46,239
street,

4728
03:39:43,760 --> 03:39:50,160
but it has, as far as I could tell, it

4729
03:39:46,239 --> 03:39:53,680
doesn't have any residential. So,

4730
03:39:50,160 --> 03:39:57,840
you know, past renderings that I had

4731
03:39:53,680 --> 03:40:00,239
seen, you know, past uh specific plans,

4732
03:39:57,840 --> 03:40:02,160
there was a like a like a neighborhood

4733
03:40:00,239 --> 03:40:05,359
downtown, you know, something similar

4734
03:40:02,160 --> 03:40:08,880
to, you know, maybe Noi Valley's uh

4735
03:40:05,359 --> 03:40:11,920
little neighborhood downtown or um Union

4736
03:40:08,880 --> 03:40:13,520
Street or something like that. Um

4737
03:40:11,920 --> 03:40:17,120
is that something that you had

4738
03:40:13,520 --> 03:40:20,680
contemplated but didn't you know decide

4739
03:40:17,120 --> 03:40:20,680
to to implement

4740
03:40:22,399 --> 03:40:26,760
» Conferring with our design?

4741
03:40:23,760 --> 03:40:26,760
» Yeah.

4742
03:40:40,080 --> 03:40:46,000
Um, I don't know if staff has a map

4743
03:40:43,920 --> 03:40:48,160
handy of the specific plan, but I can

4744
03:40:46,000 --> 03:40:51,840
sort of talk through it, but there is

4745
03:40:48,160 --> 03:40:54,160
both residential and um, retail along

4746
03:40:51,840 --> 03:40:55,840
Balin's Boulevard. So, there is a

4747
03:40:54,160 --> 03:40:58,640
graphic also in the specific plan that

4748
03:40:55,840 --> 03:41:01,680
outlines the areas where um, ground

4749
03:40:58,640 --> 03:41:03,600
floor active ground flooror uses are

4750
03:41:01,680 --> 03:41:06,319
permitted and where active ground

4751
03:41:03,600 --> 03:41:07,840
flooror uses are required. And so there

4752
03:41:06,319 --> 03:41:10,160
is some overlap between these things,

4753
03:41:07,840 --> 03:41:12,479
right, between where um there's

4754
03:41:10,160 --> 03:41:13,760
commercial, there's retail and then

4755
03:41:12,479 --> 03:41:15,359
there's residential and then there's

4756
03:41:13,760 --> 03:41:18,160
these opportunities for active ground

4757
03:41:15,359 --> 03:41:21,439
floor. And so that is my understanding

4758
03:41:18,160 --> 03:41:24,560
is sort of all mixed within um the

4759
03:41:21,439 --> 03:41:25,359
different uses that border Balins

4760
03:41:24,560 --> 03:41:26,560
Boulevard.

4761
03:41:25,359 --> 03:41:29,600
» Oh, okay. Okay. So, you're saying that

4762
03:41:26,560 --> 03:41:32,000
there is retail activity, commercial

4763
03:41:29,600 --> 03:41:34,880
space down below and then uh residential

4764
03:41:32,000 --> 03:41:37,359
above because I I I didn't see it but

4765
03:41:34,880 --> 03:41:38,239
may you know may maybe I missed it and

4766
03:41:37,359 --> 03:41:41,920
my bad.

4767
03:41:38,239 --> 03:41:44,239
» Hi. Hi. Um hi council member. So yes. So

4768
03:41:41,920 --> 03:41:46,080
here's a perfect language map. So if you

4769
03:41:44,239 --> 03:41:47,600
like look at the balance blue bar and

4770
03:41:46,080 --> 03:41:50,880
can zoom in a little bit on the right

4771
03:41:47,600 --> 03:41:52,880
hand side those are all commercial uses

4772
03:41:50,880 --> 03:41:54,560
and on the left hand side of balance is

4773
03:41:52,880 --> 03:41:58,080
all residential.

4774
03:41:54,560 --> 03:41:59,840
So the retail um it's essentially

4775
03:41:58,080 --> 03:42:02,239
underneath all the commercial uses and

4776
03:41:59,840 --> 03:42:04,239
then the on the left hand side is is is

4777
03:42:02,239 --> 03:42:05,680
residential. So it's basically a true

4778
03:42:04,239 --> 03:42:07,840
mixed use.

4779
03:42:05,680 --> 03:42:09,600
» Okay. So residential is on one side of

4780
03:42:07,840 --> 03:42:10,160
the street and commercial's on the other

4781
03:42:09,600 --> 03:42:12,560
side of the street.

4782
03:42:10,160 --> 03:42:15,439
» That is correct. That is correct.

4783
03:42:12,560 --> 03:42:17,680
» Okay. Um

4784
03:42:15,439 --> 03:42:19,520
All right. I'm just going to ask it. I

4785
03:42:17,680 --> 03:42:22,560
mean obviously you know we have this

4786
03:42:19,520 --> 03:42:26,640
this line right? and it's in measure JJ

4787
03:42:22,560 --> 03:42:28,640
says that the line is um Main Street.

4788
03:42:26,640 --> 03:42:31,120
» Um I'm just curious. I'm just going to

4789
03:42:28,640 --> 03:42:33,439
ask you a question. If that line was a a

4790
03:42:31,120 --> 03:42:35,600
little bit farther south, would you

4791
03:42:33,439 --> 03:42:37,600
create more of a a true mixed use where

4792
03:42:35,600 --> 03:42:39,920
you'd have commercial on the bottom and

4793
03:42:37,600 --> 03:42:44,720
residential on top or would you just

4794
03:42:39,920 --> 03:42:48,080
design it just like this? So in the um

4795
03:42:44,720 --> 03:42:52,640
actually the our original proposed land

4796
03:42:48,080 --> 03:42:56,319
use we had um asked for the residential

4797
03:42:52,640 --> 03:42:58,239
use to allow some ground floor retail

4798
03:42:56,319 --> 03:43:02,319
activities. Mhm. Mhm.

4799
03:42:58,239 --> 03:43:05,120
» Um so

4800
03:43:02,319 --> 03:43:06,720
I believe we so that was trying to

4801
03:43:05,120 --> 03:43:09,680
structure you know this a little bit

4802
03:43:06,720 --> 03:43:12,479
more um

4803
03:43:09,680 --> 03:43:14,239
kind of like entrepreneurship of the you

4804
03:43:12,479 --> 03:43:17,840
know the residents they can be a

4805
03:43:14,239 --> 03:43:19,920
business owner themselves. So um that

4806
03:43:17,840 --> 03:43:24,960
that was actually in our original

4807
03:43:19,920 --> 03:43:28,720
proposal. Um but we don't have a true

4808
03:43:24,960 --> 03:43:31,840
mix residential and

4809
03:43:28,720 --> 03:43:35,279
on top of a commercial. What we do have

4810
03:43:31,840 --> 03:43:38,160
is for all those com uh residential mid

4811
03:43:35,279 --> 03:43:39,680
mid-rise buildings we do have a retail

4812
03:43:38,160 --> 03:43:42,080
on the ground floor

4813
03:43:39,680 --> 03:43:44,160
» And that's fa uh basically facing all

4814
03:43:42,080 --> 03:43:45,279
the public like balance streets and the

4815
03:43:44,160 --> 03:43:48,239
plaza.

4816
03:43:45,279 --> 03:43:51,520
» Okay. All right. you know, um, as a as

4817
03:43:48,239 --> 03:43:54,239
an item for us to to discuss, um, I I

4818
03:43:51,520 --> 03:43:57,279
would like to discuss perhaps, you know,

4819
03:43:54,239 --> 03:44:01,199
allowing some residential below, uh,

4820
03:43:57,279 --> 03:44:02,479
Main Street to explore.

4821
03:44:01,199 --> 03:44:03,040
» Uh, let's see.

4822
03:44:02,479 --> 03:44:05,680
» Below,

4823
03:44:03,040 --> 03:44:09,760
» Wait, can we do that because JJ defined

4824
03:44:05,680 --> 03:44:12,239
a cleared boundary? I you know I what

4825
03:44:09,760 --> 03:44:14,399
I'm looking at is you know not a you

4826
03:44:12,239 --> 03:44:18,800
know potentially a significant but

4827
03:44:14,399 --> 03:44:20,720
perhaps a some minor um movement you

4828
03:44:18,800 --> 03:44:23,760
know obviously uh there's a lot of

4829
03:44:20,720 --> 03:44:27,439
things in measure JJ that we're you know

4830
03:44:23,760 --> 03:44:29,040
trying to work through and um so it's

4831
03:44:27,439 --> 03:44:31,920
just something for the council to

4832
03:44:29,040 --> 03:44:35,279
consider and and have uh staff come back

4833
03:44:31,920 --> 03:44:38,399
with um you know some information

4834
03:44:35,279 --> 03:44:40,160
» If if we were to deviate from measure

4835
03:44:38,399 --> 03:44:41,920
JJ. Wouldn't we have to go back to the

4836
03:44:40,160 --> 03:44:43,520
voters?

4837
03:44:41,920 --> 03:44:44,720
» I I think these are questions, right?

4838
03:44:43,520 --> 03:44:48,479
» Well, you know, I mean, I think, you

4839
03:44:44,720 --> 03:44:50,239
know, let's let's have that discussion.

4840
03:44:48,479 --> 03:44:51,680
» So, um,

4841
03:44:50,239 --> 03:44:52,319
» Council Member Lens, just

4842
03:44:51,680 --> 03:44:53,520
» Oh, okay. Yeah.

4843
03:44:52,319 --> 03:44:54,880
» I don't understand what your question

4844
03:44:53,520 --> 03:44:58,319
was. What is the ask?

4845
03:44:54,880 --> 03:45:01,840
» Oh, the ask is to, uh, evaluate the

4846
03:44:58,319 --> 03:45:05,040
potential of having some residential

4847
03:45:01,840 --> 03:45:07,680
uh, below the Main Street line.

4848
03:45:05,040 --> 03:45:11,439
» Thank you. But before staff does it, I

4849
03:45:07,680 --> 03:45:13,439
mean, can we do that? Like if does that

4850
03:45:11,439 --> 03:45:15,199
have to go back to the voters? Because

4851
03:45:13,439 --> 03:45:18,080
that would not be in alignment with what

4852
03:45:15,199 --> 03:45:21,760
JJ says right now. Am I right?

4853
03:45:18,080 --> 03:45:23,600
» You're you're correct that that's not

4854
03:45:21,760 --> 03:45:27,040
» Let me see if I can find the exact words

4855
03:45:23,600 --> 03:45:29,120
from from JJ.

4856
03:45:27,040 --> 03:45:31,680
Um while he does that, this is kind of

4857
03:45:29,120 --> 03:45:34,399
circling back, but uh there is a figure

4858
03:45:31,680 --> 03:45:37,199
in the specific plan and we did show it

4859
03:45:34,399 --> 03:45:40,160
on our slides, but I kind of went by

4860
03:45:37,199 --> 03:45:44,000
pretty quickly, but it does show where

4861
03:45:40,160 --> 03:45:46,080
uh ground floor uh active ground floor,

4862
03:45:44,000 --> 03:45:48,319
which would be for example retail

4863
03:45:46,080 --> 03:45:50,640
stores, is required. And then there's

4864
03:45:48,319 --> 03:45:53,359
another section. So you've got kind of

4865
03:45:50,640 --> 03:45:55,920
the solid line where these uses are

4866
03:45:53,359 --> 03:45:58,000
required on the ground floor. And then

4867
03:45:55,920 --> 03:46:00,080
there's a dotted line and many more

4868
03:45:58,000 --> 03:46:02,640
blocks that show where they can be

4869
03:46:00,080 --> 03:46:04,720
allowed. They're not required. Um but

4870
03:46:02,640 --> 03:46:10,080
there are

4871
03:46:04,720 --> 03:46:12,560
uh three four block faces um on Baylands

4872
03:46:10,080 --> 03:46:14,880
Boulevard um at the north end that would

4873
03:46:12,560 --> 03:46:17,359
require that ground floor. So that's the

4874
03:46:14,880 --> 03:46:19,359
solid line. And then there's another uh

4875
03:46:17,359 --> 03:46:22,479
section just south of Main Street uh

4876
03:46:19,359 --> 03:46:24,560
that would also require that.

4877
03:46:22,479 --> 03:46:28,359
» Mhm.

4878
03:46:24,560 --> 03:46:28,359
Okay. Um,

4879
03:46:28,640 --> 03:46:36,640
yeah, I I I'll I'll ask um well, I'm not

4880
03:46:34,239 --> 03:46:40,479
going to I guess figure it out tonight.

4881
03:46:36,640 --> 03:46:42,239
Um, but I would like to perhaps maybe

4882
03:46:40,479 --> 03:46:44,880
offline and just talk a little bit more

4883
03:46:42,239 --> 03:46:46,960
about like what is the, you know, the

4884
03:46:44,880 --> 03:46:49,520
actual like letter of the law.

4885
03:46:46,960 --> 03:46:52,160
» Sure. Yeah. So, its residential uses

4886
03:46:49,520 --> 03:46:54,399
shall be permitted only in the northwest

4887
03:46:52,160 --> 03:46:56,640
quadrant of the site, bounded by

4888
03:46:54,399 --> 03:46:58,399
Beayshore Boulevard on the west, the

4889
03:46:56,640 --> 03:47:00,720
city and county of San Francisco on the

4890
03:46:58,399 --> 03:47:02,800
north, the Cal Train Rail Line on the

4891
03:47:00,720 --> 03:47:05,040
east, and the line of Main Street

4892
03:47:02,800 --> 03:47:06,960
extended on the south as shown on the

4893
03:47:05,040 --> 03:47:08,640
general plan land use diagram.

4894
03:47:06,960 --> 03:47:11,680
» Okay. All right. So, what you're saying

4895
03:47:08,640 --> 03:47:13,199
then is if there was to be a change, it

4896
03:47:11,680 --> 03:47:16,080
would have to go back before the voters.

4897
03:47:13,199 --> 03:47:18,239
any change of residential

4898
03:47:16,080 --> 03:47:20,880
» That yeah that that that language

4899
03:47:18,239 --> 03:47:22,720
because it it's residential uses shall

4900
03:47:20,880 --> 03:47:23,199
be permitted only does look like that

4901
03:47:22,720 --> 03:47:24,160
sort of

4902
03:47:23,199 --> 03:47:27,760
» Because it's a shall

4903
03:47:24,160 --> 03:47:30,880
» Um yeah mand clear fundamental mandatory

4904
03:47:27,760 --> 03:47:32,160
policy where uh literal compliance would

4905
03:47:30,880 --> 03:47:34,319
likely be required.

4906
03:47:32,160 --> 03:47:37,120
» Oh okay.

4907
03:47:34,319 --> 03:47:40,640
» All right. Uh couns if if I might if I

4908
03:47:37,120 --> 03:47:42,720
may. Um the figure that Kevin was

4909
03:47:40,640 --> 03:47:43,920
pointing to is a helpful one and it

4910
03:47:42,720 --> 03:47:46,160
actually is slightly different than the

4911
03:47:43,920 --> 03:47:49,439
one that was in the uh applicant

4912
03:47:46,160 --> 03:47:53,920
presentation and that's to say that the

4913
03:47:49,439 --> 03:47:56,319
that the uh solid red line requiring

4914
03:47:53,920 --> 03:47:58,399
uh retail on the ground floor includes

4915
03:47:56,319 --> 03:47:59,359
both commercial and residential

4916
03:47:58,399 --> 03:48:03,359
buildings

4917
03:47:59,359 --> 03:48:04,720
» In that zone. So, it is a mixeduse area

4918
03:48:03,359 --> 03:48:07,120
if that if that helps.

4919
03:48:04,720 --> 03:48:09,600
» Yeah. Yeah. No, no, I I I know that. All

4920
03:48:07,120 --> 03:48:11,680
right. Thank you. [laughter]

4921
03:48:09,600 --> 03:48:14,800
» Appreciate it. Um, yeah. You know, I'm

4922
03:48:11,680 --> 03:48:17,199
just really, you know, as we're in this

4923
03:48:14,800 --> 03:48:21,840
final stage is really thinking out loud,

4924
03:48:17,199 --> 03:48:26,399
what's the best way to create the most

4925
03:48:21,840 --> 03:48:28,319
um dynamic urban uh planning, right? And

4926
03:48:26,399 --> 03:48:30,880
so, giving ourselves flexibility. I know

4927
03:48:28,319 --> 03:48:35,359
that we made that decision uh back in

4928
03:48:30,880 --> 03:48:37,279
2018. Is that really something that um

4929
03:48:35,359 --> 03:48:39,439
you know is appropriate for today? And

4930
03:48:37,279 --> 03:48:43,600
perhaps that's a discussion that we can

4931
03:48:39,439 --> 03:48:46,800
have um later on in the in the process.

4932
03:48:43,600 --> 03:48:48,399
So that's really I guess maybe my ask is

4933
03:48:46,800 --> 03:48:51,199
just to bring it back so the council has

4934
03:48:48,399 --> 03:48:55,680
a discussion about it then.

4935
03:48:51,199 --> 03:48:57,199
Uh let's see. Oh, okay. Mission blue

4936
03:48:55,680 --> 03:49:00,000
nursery.

4937
03:48:57,199 --> 03:49:02,399
Planet Commission said, uh, yeah, we

4938
03:49:00,000 --> 03:49:05,680
should keep it. I know that you guys are

4939
03:49:02,399 --> 03:49:09,640
talking about putting it in the shooting

4940
03:49:05,680 --> 03:49:09,640
range. Um,

4941
03:49:11,920 --> 03:49:18,399
yeah, just um,

4942
03:49:14,800 --> 03:49:20,399
uh, and I know that, uh, Ariel is here

4943
03:49:18,399 --> 03:49:25,600
as well.

4944
03:49:20,399 --> 03:49:27,600
I hope we we keep it in that place. Um,

4945
03:49:25,600 --> 03:49:31,760
okay.

4946
03:49:27,600 --> 03:49:34,239
you know, the um ice house hill. So, I I

4947
03:49:31,760 --> 03:49:37,600
know it's in the uh sustainability

4948
03:49:34,239 --> 03:49:42,560
framework and it talks about um having

4949
03:49:37,600 --> 03:49:45,920
an urban farm in that north uh u area

4950
03:49:42,560 --> 03:49:47,120
and um there's the the agreement that

4951
03:49:45,920 --> 03:49:49,520
you have with the folks that have the

4952
03:49:47,120 --> 03:49:53,439
horses. Um, is that something that that

4953
03:49:49,520 --> 03:49:55,439
you um, yeah, thought about perhaps

4954
03:49:53,439 --> 03:49:58,000
retaining, you know, some kind of rural

4955
03:49:55,439 --> 03:49:59,760
connection uh, that Brisbane, you know,

4956
03:49:58,000 --> 03:50:02,560
kind of has that's, you know, that you

4957
03:49:59,760 --> 03:50:04,720
can't find in other parts of this area.

4958
03:50:02,560 --> 03:50:05,840
Everything's just all been built up. One

4959
03:50:04,720 --> 03:50:08,080
of the great things about living in

4960
03:50:05,840 --> 03:50:09,439
Brisbane is that we've kept our roots.

4961
03:50:08,080 --> 03:50:10,880
So, is that something that you you

4962
03:50:09,439 --> 03:50:13,454
thought about? I see you nodding your

4963
03:50:10,880 --> 03:50:14,160
head, Stephanie.

4964
03:50:13,454 --> 03:50:15,920
» [clears throat]

4965
03:50:14,160 --> 03:50:18,560
» The current plan does contemplate the

4966
03:50:15,920 --> 03:50:21,520
stables staying in them and and and I

4967
03:50:18,560 --> 03:50:24,960
believe um

4968
03:50:21,520 --> 03:50:27,760
the horses can still graze on the ice

4969
03:50:24,960 --> 03:50:30,399
house hill and that's a actually

4970
03:50:27,760 --> 03:50:34,319
discussed in the EIR.

4971
03:50:30,399 --> 03:50:39,600
» Okay. Okay. All right. Good.

4972
03:50:34,319 --> 03:50:43,040
Think I might be done. Oh yeah. Um so

4973
03:50:39,600 --> 03:50:48,000
we got a letter from buildup in regards

4974
03:50:43,040 --> 03:50:50,960
to um childc care facilities and um you

4975
03:50:48,000 --> 03:50:53,359
know it's talked about in the um

4976
03:50:50,960 --> 03:50:56,640
sustainability framework you know as one

4977
03:50:53,359 --> 03:50:59,199
of those uses that that you should just

4978
03:50:56,640 --> 03:51:00,960
have and so and I was curious to know

4979
03:50:59,199 --> 03:51:04,239
that

4980
03:51:00,960 --> 03:51:07,600
you know it stated that it's a

4981
03:51:04,239 --> 03:51:09,439
you know it's a allowed use But there's

4982
03:51:07,600 --> 03:51:12,800
there isn't any like talk about. So I'm

4983
03:51:09,439 --> 03:51:14,399
just curious why that wasn't why you

4984
03:51:12,800 --> 03:51:17,880
didn't put that in there as like yeah

4985
03:51:14,399 --> 03:51:17,880
we're going to do this.

4986
03:51:22,880 --> 03:51:28,880
» Um I mean child care is an allowed use

4987
03:51:26,239 --> 03:51:30,720
in I think all of the residential and

4988
03:51:28,880 --> 03:51:32,479
most of the commercial if not all of the

4989
03:51:30,720 --> 03:51:34,319
commercial areas. So almost in most

4990
03:51:32,479 --> 03:51:37,120
areas of the property childcare is an

4991
03:51:34,319 --> 03:51:39,120
allowed use. So, um there's there's no

4992
03:51:37,120 --> 03:51:40,239
issue with the child care operating on

4993
03:51:39,120 --> 03:51:42,960
the property.

4994
03:51:40,239 --> 03:51:46,640
» Okay. So, you know, from their letter,

4995
03:51:42,960 --> 03:51:49,439
um they they add, you know, as you know,

4996
03:51:46,640 --> 03:51:51,760
something for us to consider, you know,

4997
03:51:49,439 --> 03:51:55,120
and they they they state in the specific

4998
03:51:51,760 --> 03:51:57,040
plan in section 2.2 to um integrate

4999
03:51:55,120 --> 03:51:59,439
child care as a central community

5000
03:51:57,040 --> 03:52:01,920
infrastructure. Plan for licensed child

5001
03:51:59,439 --> 03:52:04,880
care and early learning facilities as an

5002
03:52:01,920 --> 03:52:07,439
integral component of the Baylands with

5003
03:52:04,880 --> 03:52:09,520
facilities conveniently located in

5004
03:52:07,439 --> 03:52:11,760
relation to residential neighborhoods

5005
03:52:09,520 --> 03:52:13,680
and employment centers and planned and

5006
03:52:11,760 --> 03:52:16,239
phased in coordination with development

5007
03:52:13,680 --> 03:52:18,720
and occupancy. I see you nodding your

5008
03:52:16,239 --> 03:52:21,040
head. Okay. I mean like I I would like

5009
03:52:18,720 --> 03:52:24,560
for us to have that as an item for us to

5010
03:52:21,040 --> 03:52:26,399
consider. um implementing into the

5011
03:52:24,560 --> 03:52:27,760
specific plan when we talk.

5012
03:52:26,399 --> 03:52:31,760
» I support that.

5013
03:52:27,760 --> 03:52:35,000
» Okay, cool. Um

5014
03:52:31,760 --> 03:52:35,000
» Me too.

5015
03:52:35,279 --> 03:52:39,680
» Playgrounds or the not playground, the

5016
03:52:37,520 --> 03:52:42,800
ball field. All right, so the current

5017
03:52:39,680 --> 03:52:44,399
ball field is, you know, you hit a home

5018
03:52:42,800 --> 03:52:49,040
run, you hit the tank farm, you get an

5019
03:52:44,399 --> 03:52:50,720
extra prize. So, um

5020
03:52:49,040 --> 03:52:52,880
I'm just kind of curious why the ball

5021
03:52:50,720 --> 03:52:54,880
fields weren't next to the school, which

5022
03:52:52,880 --> 03:52:56,880
just seems like an obvious place to put

5023
03:52:54,880 --> 03:53:00,080
a ball field. You know, you you want

5024
03:52:56,880 --> 03:53:01,199
residential. Um and you know, so the you

5025
03:53:00,080 --> 03:53:04,080
know, the folks that are living there,

5026
03:53:01,199 --> 03:53:07,120
they can they can walk and and and

5027
03:53:04,080 --> 03:53:09,600
play baseball or play soccer. So, but

5028
03:53:07,120 --> 03:53:11,520
that that that site is isolated. So, I'm

5029
03:53:09,600 --> 03:53:14,399
just kind of curious why that location

5030
03:53:11,520 --> 03:53:18,880
and would you consider placing it in

5031
03:53:14,399 --> 03:53:22,319
near the the residential neighborhoods?

5032
03:53:18,880 --> 03:53:24,239
» Um, so a lot of the locations of the

5033
03:53:22,319 --> 03:53:26,560
different uses on the land use plan were

5034
03:53:24,239 --> 03:53:29,279
informed by some workshops that the team

5035
03:53:26,560 --> 03:53:32,080
conducted with um OJB and some of our

5036
03:53:29,279 --> 03:53:34,239
other consultants in 2019. And there was

5037
03:53:32,080 --> 03:53:36,399
a real desire from the community to have

5038
03:53:34,239 --> 03:53:39,120
the ball fields close to central

5039
03:53:36,399 --> 03:53:41,520
Brisbane. Um, and a unique feature of

5040
03:53:39,120 --> 03:53:43,680
that property where the community fields

5041
03:53:41,520 --> 03:53:45,920
is contemplated is that there will be a

5042
03:53:43,680 --> 03:53:48,160
trail that connects through the old

5043
03:53:45,920 --> 03:53:50,960
beayshore tunnel and connects up with

5044
03:53:48,160 --> 03:53:52,880
the current um, Crocker Recreational

5045
03:53:50,960 --> 03:53:55,840
Trail. And so that also gives kids an

5046
03:53:52,880 --> 03:53:57,680
opportunity to cross underneath beayhore

5047
03:53:55,840 --> 03:53:59,760
um for, you know, a little bit of a a

5048
03:53:57,680 --> 03:54:02,239
quieter route to get to the ball fields.

5049
03:53:59,760 --> 03:54:04,640
and it's closer to town. So, that was

5050
03:54:02,239 --> 03:54:08,080
the the history of how that came about.

5051
03:54:04,640 --> 03:54:10,720
» That's good to know. All right.

5052
03:54:08,080 --> 03:54:13,120
» Okay. Um and and I have the last

5053
03:54:10,720 --> 03:54:18,080
question, Madame Mayor, and it's in

5054
03:54:13,120 --> 03:54:21,199
regards to uh sea level rise. So, um

5055
03:54:18,080 --> 03:54:25,279
thank you for sponsoring the the study

5056
03:54:21,199 --> 03:54:29,680
for the lagoon u being one of those um

5057
03:54:25,279 --> 03:54:31,520
funders. So, um the mayor and I sit on

5058
03:54:29,680 --> 03:54:34,479
the sustainability

5059
03:54:31,520 --> 03:54:38,160
um I mean on the u sea level rise,

5060
03:54:34,479 --> 03:54:40,800
sorry, uh committee and uh you know, we

5061
03:54:38,160 --> 03:54:44,960
recently received an update regarding

5062
03:54:40,800 --> 03:54:47,120
the lagoon study and um I'm I'm just

5063
03:54:44,960 --> 03:54:49,520
kind of curious like you guys are the

5064
03:54:47,120 --> 03:54:50,800
vast majority owner of the lagoon,

5065
03:54:49,520 --> 03:54:51,920
correct?

5066
03:54:50,800 --> 03:54:52,479
» All right. So,

5067
03:54:51,920 --> 03:54:53,520
» Of what?

5068
03:54:52,479 --> 03:54:57,279
» Of the lagoon.

5069
03:54:53,520 --> 03:54:59,040
» Oh, yes. So, um,

5070
03:54:57,279 --> 03:55:02,160
you know, during the last, uh, King

5071
03:54:59,040 --> 03:55:04,080
Tide, the lagoon,

5072
03:55:02,160 --> 03:55:05,600
you know, it might have broke its banks.

5073
03:55:04,080 --> 03:55:09,359
You know, it was pretty close. It was

5074
03:55:05,600 --> 03:55:10,960
lapping up against, um, uh, Sierra Point

5075
03:55:09,359 --> 03:55:16,479
Parkway

5076
03:55:10,960 --> 03:55:19,040
or Boulevard. Um, one of the options to

5077
03:55:16,479 --> 03:55:23,439
mitigate that is is doing a a title

5078
03:55:19,040 --> 03:55:25,520
gate. And, um,

5079
03:55:23,439 --> 03:55:29,279
yeah. So, I'm just curious, you know,

5080
03:55:25,520 --> 03:55:31,920
like you know, this property

5081
03:55:29,279 --> 03:55:34,880
during um you know, these these king

5082
03:55:31,920 --> 03:55:37,040
tides and as as um sea level rise

5083
03:55:34,880 --> 03:55:39,439
expand,

5084
03:55:37,040 --> 03:55:41,199
the lagoon is going to just spread out,

5085
03:55:39,439 --> 03:55:42,880
right? Unless we do something, right?

5086
03:55:41,199 --> 03:55:44,479
It's going to impact other properties.

5087
03:55:42,880 --> 03:55:47,359
So, I'm just curious like what what

5088
03:55:44,479 --> 03:55:50,239
you've been thinking about in regards to

5089
03:55:47,359 --> 03:55:53,120
how to keep your properties in front in

5090
03:55:50,239 --> 03:55:57,560
the lagoon from spilling over into other

5091
03:55:53,120 --> 03:55:57,560
um properties nearby.

5092
03:56:01,040 --> 03:56:05,760
» I might ask if Allison is still on,

5093
03:56:04,239 --> 03:56:08,239
although it's she's in a different time

5094
03:56:05,760 --> 03:56:11,840
zone. It's quite late. Um but we'll see

5095
03:56:08,239 --> 03:56:15,520
if she raises her hand. Um there are a

5096
03:56:11,840 --> 03:56:18,720
number of sea level rise sea level rise

5097
03:56:15,520 --> 03:56:20,319
related um measures planned for the

5098
03:56:18,720 --> 03:56:22,800
lagoon and especially for the lagoon

5099
03:56:20,319 --> 03:56:24,880
park. I think in terms of like this tide

5100
03:56:22,800 --> 03:56:26,880
gate you're talking about. Obviously we

5101
03:56:24,880 --> 03:56:28,319
sat on some of those um planning

5102
03:56:26,880 --> 03:56:29,359
committee meetings. I think that's

5103
03:56:28,319 --> 03:56:32,560
something that would probably have to be

5104
03:56:29,359 --> 03:56:35,199
studied further to understand what makes

5105
03:56:32,560 --> 03:56:38,239
the most sense in conjunction with the

5106
03:56:35,199 --> 03:56:41,920
mitigations that we are implementing um

5107
03:56:38,239 --> 03:56:43,040
and how those would come together. So,

5108
03:56:41,920 --> 03:56:44,000
and I don't know if Alison

5109
03:56:43,040 --> 03:56:45,840
» Can you all hear me?

5110
03:56:44,000 --> 03:56:49,439
» Yeah,

5111
03:56:45,840 --> 03:56:53,199
» You can hear me. Okay, good. Um, so I

5112
03:56:49,439 --> 03:56:56,080
think like if if when you look at the

5113
03:56:53,199 --> 03:56:58,239
specific plan again, you can look at the

5114
03:56:56,080 --> 03:57:00,640
there's some elevations

5115
03:56:58,239 --> 03:57:03,680
um or sections through the Bay Trail. I

5116
03:57:00,640 --> 03:57:06,960
think that those exemplify the challenge

5117
03:57:03,680 --> 03:57:09,920
here and that is that it's it's not

5118
03:57:06,960 --> 03:57:13,680
really a title gate issue. It's a like

5119
03:57:09,920 --> 03:57:17,520
highway 101 is really low and so there's

5120
03:57:13,680 --> 03:57:20,960
a larger infrastructural challenge um to

5121
03:57:17,520 --> 03:57:23,439
controlling that edge of the bay.

5122
03:57:20,960 --> 03:57:25,920
Does that make sense?

5123
03:57:23,439 --> 03:57:30,000
» Yeah. No, I mean all those factors uh

5124
03:57:25,920 --> 03:57:32,399
play into it. Uh the consultants who um

5125
03:57:30,000 --> 03:57:36,800
are doing the study have presented

5126
03:57:32,399 --> 03:57:39,279
several options for us to evaluate.

5127
03:57:36,800 --> 03:57:40,560
It seemed like the tide tidal gate was

5128
03:57:39,279 --> 03:57:42,720
um

5129
03:57:40,560 --> 03:57:45,520
» Maybe um

5130
03:57:42,720 --> 03:57:48,160
» Well it it's I guess I should say it it

5131
03:57:45,520 --> 03:57:51,920
piqued my interest and seemed um to be

5132
03:57:48,160 --> 03:57:56,160
economical as well as um being able to

5133
03:57:51,920 --> 03:58:00,640
um not really impact infrastructure and

5134
03:57:56,160 --> 03:58:03,359
and um be used when the tide is high and

5135
03:58:00,640 --> 03:58:08,640
then when the tides go down the gate

5136
03:58:03,359 --> 03:58:13,040
goes up and and and we're fine. So, um,

5137
03:58:08,640 --> 03:58:15,439
» I do think I I am not an um don't

5138
03:58:13,040 --> 03:58:17,840
represent the ecologist point of view on

5139
03:58:15,439 --> 03:58:21,359
this, but there are sensitive mud flats

5140
03:58:17,840 --> 03:58:24,000
that line the edge of the lagoon. So I

5141
03:58:21,359 --> 03:58:26,640
would say before you know deciding on

5142
03:58:24,000 --> 03:58:30,000
anything that we would really want to

5143
03:58:26,640 --> 03:58:32,479
make sure that those are preserved to

5144
03:58:30,000 --> 03:58:35,520
the ext like greatest possible extent

5145
03:58:32,479 --> 03:58:39,920
that we can and that a tide gate would

5146
03:58:35,520 --> 03:58:40,319
not impact that whatsoever.

5147
03:58:39,920 --> 03:58:41,199
» And

5148
03:58:40,319 --> 03:58:44,319
» All right thank you.

5149
03:58:41,199 --> 03:58:47,199
» We also oh from um the ESA team we have

5150
03:58:44,319 --> 03:58:49,520
Dr. Matt Brennan who um was also

5151
03:58:47,199 --> 03:58:50,720
involved with the EI and looking at sea

5152
03:58:49,520 --> 03:58:53,520
level rise.

5153
03:58:50,720 --> 03:58:54,960
» Um so he might be able to um add some

5154
03:58:53,520 --> 03:58:57,760
additional technical information for

5155
03:58:54,960 --> 03:58:59,840
this question as well.

5156
03:58:57,760 --> 03:59:01,840
» Uh sure. Good evening council members.

5157
03:58:59,840 --> 03:59:03,760
My name is Matt Brennan. I'm a coastal

5158
03:59:01,840 --> 03:59:05,520
engineer and I've worked on sealed

5159
03:59:03,760 --> 03:59:07,840
adaptation projects along the bay

5160
03:59:05,520 --> 03:59:10,319
shoreline as well as h helping with

5161
03:59:07,840 --> 03:59:13,180
drafting the EIR and also the seal

5162
03:59:10,319 --> 03:59:14,640
technical report for this study. Um I I

5163
03:59:13,180 --> 03:59:17,439
[clears throat] in my mind I would think

5164
03:59:14,640 --> 03:59:19,680
that these are somewhat independent. Uh

5165
03:59:17,439 --> 03:59:22,160
the northshore of the lagoon that's

5166
03:59:19,680 --> 03:59:24,800
mostly within the specific plan area

5167
03:59:22,160 --> 03:59:27,279
actually is relatively high and has a

5168
03:59:24,800 --> 03:59:29,760
pretty good adaptation approach in terms

5169
03:59:27,279 --> 03:59:32,720
of its um basically on the north shore

5170
03:59:29,760 --> 03:59:35,520
of the lagoon because of the space there

5171
03:59:32,720 --> 03:59:37,520
and because of the proposed um uh

5172
03:59:35,520 --> 03:59:39,680
setback for the road there you can

5173
03:59:37,520 --> 03:59:41,760
basically create a horizontal levy there

5174
03:59:39,680 --> 03:59:43,600
if you've heard that terminology. So,

5175
03:59:41,760 --> 03:59:46,319
it's actually a good setting along the

5176
03:59:43,600 --> 03:59:50,080
specific plan site to create this sort

5177
03:59:46,319 --> 03:59:53,279
of gradually gently sloping 50 to1 slope

5178
03:59:50,080 --> 03:59:56,319
that can gently allow uh wetland

5179
03:59:53,279 --> 03:59:58,000
habitats to move up slope. Um you'd

5180
03:59:56,319 --> 04:00:01,840
almost call it like a managed retreat

5181
03:59:58,000 --> 04:00:03,760
there for um uh I'm missing the name of

5182
04:00:01,840 --> 04:00:04,720
the roadway right now, but um some

5183
04:00:03,760 --> 04:00:06,399
Lagoon Road,

5184
04:00:04,720 --> 04:00:08,560
» Right? So, Lagoon Road will actually be

5185
04:00:06,399 --> 04:00:11,760
set back by like two or 30 hundred feet

5186
04:00:08,560 --> 04:00:15,600
under the plan area. um that will allow

5187
04:00:11,760 --> 04:00:17,520
for this very nice green ecoone slope.

5188
04:00:15,600 --> 04:00:19,600
So the specific plan area on the north

5189
04:00:17,520 --> 04:00:22,160
shore is actually better situated than

5190
04:00:19,600 --> 04:00:24,800
most of the lagoon shoreline to be able

5191
04:00:22,160 --> 04:00:27,520
to adapt to sea level rise in this way

5192
04:00:24,800 --> 04:00:30,880
that has a much more nature-based

5193
04:00:27,520 --> 04:00:32,880
transgressive space under the other

5194
04:00:30,880 --> 04:00:35,760
report that I believe you're referring

5195
04:00:32,880 --> 04:00:39,520
to um council member Lens which is the

5196
04:00:35,760 --> 04:00:42,319
SSAP program and Chaffenhe uh adaptation

5197
04:00:39,520 --> 04:00:43,680
plan for the lagoon that addresses the

5198
04:00:42,319 --> 04:00:46,399
other two you know if you think of the

5199
04:00:43,680 --> 04:00:48,800
the ba the lagoon as a triangle, the

5200
04:00:46,399 --> 04:00:50,800
other two shorelines. So, I think there

5201
04:00:48,800 --> 04:00:53,199
may be other decisions that you make for

5202
04:00:50,800 --> 04:00:56,000
the other two shorelines

5203
04:00:53,199 --> 04:00:58,000
um of the lagoon. But in terms of the

5204
04:00:56,000 --> 04:01:00,560
southern part of the plan area, which is

5205
04:00:58,000 --> 04:01:03,439
the northern part of the lagoon, it's

5206
04:01:00,560 --> 04:01:05,279
actually fairly well accommodated to

5207
04:01:03,439 --> 04:01:06,720
adjusting to sea level rise without a

5208
04:01:05,279 --> 04:01:09,600
tide gate.

5209
04:01:06,720 --> 04:01:11,600
» Madame Mayor, if you don't mind, I think

5210
04:01:09,600 --> 04:01:14,720
I may be confused about the structure of

5211
04:01:11,600 --> 04:01:18,000
this meeting. Last time we had a

5212
04:01:14,720 --> 04:01:19,760
meeting, we did

5213
04:01:18,000 --> 04:01:23,439
um

5214
04:01:19,760 --> 04:01:26,479
measure JJ compliance

5215
04:01:23,439 --> 04:01:30,160
public comment. Then we did energy use

5216
04:01:26,479 --> 04:01:33,120
public comment. Then we didn't make it

5217
04:01:30,160 --> 04:01:36,239
to GHG air quality. So we rolled that

5218
04:01:33,120 --> 04:01:40,160
topic over. We started with that public

5219
04:01:36,239 --> 04:01:42,880
comment. Then I thought we are doing

5220
04:01:40,160 --> 04:01:45,199
land use and design guidelines public

5221
04:01:42,880 --> 04:01:48,000
comment and then open spaces and

5222
04:01:45,199 --> 04:01:50,399
amenities public comment sea level rise

5223
04:01:48,000 --> 04:01:52,640
public comment. So are we

5224
04:01:50,399 --> 04:01:54,160
» Asking all of our questions right now?

5225
04:01:52,640 --> 04:01:55,760
because I have questions about open

5226
04:01:54,160 --> 04:01:58,160
space and amenities and I have questions

5227
04:01:55,760 --> 04:02:00,319
about sea level rise but I thought that

5228
04:01:58,160 --> 04:02:03,920
I'm withholding those questions until we

5229
04:02:00,319 --> 04:02:06,000
get so I just don't know like

5230
04:02:03,920 --> 04:02:08,880
» Because we're at 9:30

5231
04:02:06,000 --> 04:02:10,000
» So I almost feel like going forward and

5232
04:02:08,880 --> 04:02:11,600
I don't know if this is appropriate

5233
04:02:10,000 --> 04:02:14,640
really to suggest because it really is a

5234
04:02:11,600 --> 04:02:16,160
departure from our process but I see so

5235
04:02:14,640 --> 04:02:17,680
many people in the room here and I'm

5236
04:02:16,160 --> 04:02:19,279
also cognizant of the amount of time

5237
04:02:17,680 --> 04:02:22,080
that the council has taken in this

5238
04:02:19,279 --> 04:02:25,199
meeting and in the meeting last time for

5239
04:02:22,080 --> 04:02:26,479
hour questions and to the point that a

5240
04:02:25,199 --> 04:02:28,239
lot of people didn't get to ask their

5241
04:02:26,479 --> 04:02:30,080
questions and had to come today and

5242
04:02:28,239 --> 04:02:32,000
still wait like an hour, hour and a half

5243
04:02:30,080 --> 04:02:34,319
minimum to get to the question that they

5244
04:02:32,000 --> 04:02:36,800
were here for last time. I wonder if

5245
04:02:34,319 --> 04:02:39,359
next time we should just start with the

5246
04:02:36,800 --> 04:02:41,439
public's comments and then ask our

5247
04:02:39,359 --> 04:02:42,800
comments. Ask our start with the

5248
04:02:41,439 --> 04:02:45,040
public's questions and the public's

5249
04:02:42,800 --> 04:02:47,359
comments and then we ask our questions

5250
04:02:45,040 --> 04:02:49,439
because we really were taking a

5251
04:02:47,359 --> 04:02:51,279
significant amount of time which is part

5252
04:02:49,439 --> 04:02:53,439
of the process and it is part of our

5253
04:02:51,279 --> 04:02:56,479
job. But I'm seeing all these people in

5254
04:02:53,439 --> 04:02:59,199
the room. I know Ariel is here for open

5255
04:02:56,479 --> 04:03:02,399
space and we haven't even I don't think

5256
04:02:59,199 --> 04:03:04,640
we've even gotten to that. So,

5257
04:03:02,399 --> 04:03:06,640
I'm just trying to think of how we can

5258
04:03:04,640 --> 04:03:08,000
better utilize our time and if I'm

5259
04:03:06,640 --> 04:03:10,239
understanding the structure of this

5260
04:03:08,000 --> 04:03:12,319
meeting right,

5261
04:03:10,239 --> 04:03:14,720
» We're following the same structure that

5262
04:03:12,319 --> 04:03:17,520
we normally would do, which is a staff

5263
04:03:14,720 --> 04:03:20,399
report, council questions, and then the

5264
04:03:17,520 --> 04:03:22,000
public. And that's just simply how we've

5265
04:03:20,399 --> 04:03:23,359
been doing it. I'm not saying it has to

5266
04:03:22,000 --> 04:03:25,439
be that way. That's

5267
04:03:23,359 --> 04:03:27,600
» So, should we right now be asking

5268
04:03:25,439 --> 04:03:29,680
questions about open space and amenities

5269
04:03:27,600 --> 04:03:32,560
and also sea level rise? Because last

5270
04:03:29,680 --> 04:03:35,840
time we took it topic by topic. Each

5271
04:03:32,560 --> 04:03:37,840
topic we asked questions and then the

5272
04:03:35,840 --> 04:03:40,880
public came like Michelle commented like

5273
04:03:37,840 --> 04:03:43,040
three four times, right? And and Paul

5274
04:03:40,880 --> 04:03:46,960
commented several times because we took

5275
04:03:43,040 --> 04:03:49,439
it just with their this tonight has

5276
04:03:46,960 --> 04:03:51,680
multiple topics within the subject

5277
04:03:49,439 --> 04:03:53,600
matter. So we did it topic by topic and

5278
04:03:51,680 --> 04:03:56,800
I just I was assuming we were doing it

5279
04:03:53,600 --> 04:03:59,040
like that. And I don't know

5280
04:03:56,800 --> 04:04:00,960
» The answer to your question is this is

5281
04:03:59,040 --> 04:04:01,359
the way it was set up on the agenda.

5282
04:04:00,960 --> 04:04:03,520
» Okay.

5283
04:04:01,359 --> 04:04:04,160
» So it's the whole ball of wax.

5284
04:04:03,520 --> 04:04:07,760
» Okay.

5285
04:04:04,160 --> 04:04:09,520
» So if I may, I would make a motion to

5286
04:04:07,760 --> 04:04:12,239
extend the meeting by half an hour, but

5287
04:04:09,520 --> 04:04:14,319
that we go straight into public comments

5288
04:04:12,239 --> 04:04:16,399
if the [snorts] council members could

5289
04:04:14,319 --> 04:04:18,160
wrap up their comments. Um

5290
04:04:16,399 --> 04:04:20,319
» Not doing anymore.

5291
04:04:18,160 --> 04:04:23,120
» And then we could hear from the public

5292
04:04:20,319 --> 04:04:24,640
who's here so that we get their point of

5293
04:04:23,120 --> 04:04:26,000
view. But with that, I'd make a motion

5294
04:04:24,640 --> 04:04:28,399
to extend half an hour.

5295
04:04:26,000 --> 04:04:31,439
» And are you including then continuing

5296
04:04:28,399 --> 04:04:31,920
council questions to the next meeting

5297
04:04:31,439 --> 04:04:34,000
since

5298
04:04:31,920 --> 04:04:35,279
» I think we have to Well, we're going to

5299
04:04:34,000 --> 04:04:35,760
continue the meeting. Yes.

5300
04:04:35,279 --> 04:04:37,840
» Yes.

5301
04:04:35,760 --> 04:04:39,439
» Okay. I'll second. I'm sorry.

5302
04:04:37,840 --> 04:04:41,600
» And I was just going to say and instead

5303
04:04:39,439 --> 04:04:43,600
of going right to the public, I had one

5304
04:04:41,600 --> 04:04:44,800
comment on what you were saying about

5305
04:04:43,600 --> 04:04:46,399
the lagoon,

5306
04:04:44,800 --> 04:04:47,920
» But I didn't get a chance.

5307
04:04:46,399 --> 04:04:50,080
» Sorry. Sorry.

5308
04:04:47,920 --> 04:04:52,640
So um

5309
04:04:50,080 --> 04:04:53,760
» I make a motion to extend the meeting

5310
04:04:52,640 --> 04:04:54,720
for half an hour.

5311
04:04:53,760 --> 04:04:55,760
» Second.

5312
04:04:54,720 --> 04:04:56,160
» All in favor?

5313
04:04:55,760 --> 04:04:56,800
» I

5314
04:04:56,160 --> 04:04:59,520
» I

5315
04:04:56,800 --> 04:05:03,840
» Okay. So the meeting will be extended

5316
04:04:59,520 --> 04:05:09,279
till 10:30. I'm sorry, 10 o'clock. Um a

5317
04:05:03,840 --> 04:05:11,760
question for um Mr. Brennan,

5318
04:05:09,279 --> 04:05:14,560
in the sea level rise subcommittee in

5319
04:05:11,760 --> 04:05:16,560
the meetings that we've had and what you

5320
04:05:14,560 --> 04:05:19,359
characterized on the north shore of the

5321
04:05:16,560 --> 04:05:22,720
lagoon, we were actually told that there

5322
04:05:19,359 --> 04:05:25,840
was a problem at the intersection right

5323
04:05:22,720 --> 04:05:28,479
near our bridge and that is the north

5324
04:05:25,840 --> 04:05:31,040
part of the shore and that potentially

5325
04:05:28,479 --> 04:05:33,439
that could affect the Cal Train tracks

5326
04:05:31,040 --> 04:05:36,800
and it wouldn't affect the Lagoon Road

5327
04:05:33,439 --> 04:05:39,279
being moved further north on the east

5328
04:05:36,800 --> 04:05:41,359
side of Lagoon Road, but on the west

5329
04:05:39,279 --> 04:05:43,600
side that it would and they were very

5330
04:05:41,359 --> 04:05:46,399
concerned about that. So, it's more of a

5331
04:05:43,600 --> 04:05:50,239
comment that maybe

5332
04:05:46,399 --> 04:05:52,000
it would be a good idea to consult with

5333
04:05:50,239 --> 04:05:55,040
all the consultants that are working on

5334
04:05:52,000 --> 04:05:57,760
that project and one shoreline because

5335
04:05:55,040 --> 04:06:00,319
we did go over that about railroad

5336
04:05:57,760 --> 04:06:02,399
tracks and the roadway where everything

5337
04:06:00,319 --> 04:06:05,760
intersects in that little corner and

5338
04:06:02,399 --> 04:06:08,160
that they had identified it as a problem

5339
04:06:05,760 --> 04:06:10,000
area.

5340
04:06:08,160 --> 04:06:12,000
» If I may, Mayor Macken, I just want to

5341
04:06:10,000 --> 04:06:13,600
build on that. We also have those

5342
04:06:12,000 --> 04:06:16,080
existing use areas that I mentioned

5343
04:06:13,600 --> 04:06:18,239
earlier and that includes Ricology

5344
04:06:16,080 --> 04:06:20,160
» And that includes Golden State Lumber,

5345
04:06:18,239 --> 04:06:22,479
Kinder Morton Tag Farm. They're not

5346
04:06:20,160 --> 04:06:25,199
being raised up. They will also be low

5347
04:06:22,479 --> 04:06:26,880
areas um that are would be subject to

5348
04:06:25,199 --> 04:06:28,640
flooding once everything is graded and

5349
04:06:26,880 --> 04:06:30,880
raised. So, I just want to just add that

5350
04:06:28,640 --> 04:06:32,720
in before Matt uh potentially dives into

5351
04:06:30,880 --> 04:06:34,239
the question there. Thank you. And one

5352
04:06:32,720 --> 04:06:37,279
other thing that I was going to say is

5353
04:06:34,239 --> 04:06:38,960
that one of the other comments that was

5354
04:06:37,279 --> 04:06:41,680
made in the meeting we had about that

5355
04:06:38,960 --> 04:06:43,600
was that it's not just that it's a part

5356
04:06:41,680 --> 04:06:46,319
of a lagoon, but that's where there's a

5357
04:06:43,600 --> 04:06:48,960
lot of runoff especially in storms. It

5358
04:06:46,319 --> 04:06:51,279
comes down that hill naturally feeds

5359
04:06:48,960 --> 04:06:53,120
into the lagoon part of it there and

5360
04:06:51,279 --> 04:06:56,800
that that's why that area might be

5361
04:06:53,120 --> 04:06:58,960
subject to flooding. So

5362
04:06:56,800 --> 04:07:01,279
» Sure I happy to comment on those. I I

5363
04:06:58,960 --> 04:07:02,720
have not reviewed the in detail the area

5364
04:07:01,279 --> 04:07:04,239
outside the plan area though although I

5365
04:07:02,720 --> 04:07:06,080
am familiar with Shaff and Wheeler and

5366
04:07:04,239 --> 04:07:07,920
their work to a certain degree uh with

5367
04:07:06,080 --> 04:07:09,199
regard to Lagoon. I think you may be

5368
04:07:07,920 --> 04:07:10,880
talking about where Tunnel Avenue

5369
04:07:09,199 --> 04:07:12,960
crosses railroad tracks and that small

5370
04:07:10,880 --> 04:07:14,160
drainage creek that comes out there. I

5371
04:07:12,960 --> 04:07:15,920
think that actually is technically

5372
04:07:14,160 --> 04:07:18,640
outside of the plan area. So I haven't

5373
04:07:15,920 --> 04:07:22,399
looked at that in detail and that would

5374
04:07:18,640 --> 04:07:24,080
in my mind be sort of in that western

5375
04:07:22,399 --> 04:07:26,080
side of the you know if you think of the

5376
04:07:24,080 --> 04:07:27,920
lagoon shoreline is just a triangle but

5377
04:07:26,080 --> 04:07:29,840
obviously the western side needs to meet

5378
04:07:27,920 --> 04:07:33,359
the northern side at that northwest

5379
04:07:29,840 --> 04:07:35,359
corner and often with civil rise I

5380
04:07:33,359 --> 04:07:37,520
totally agree that while it may meet the

5381
04:07:35,359 --> 04:07:39,600
conditions on one parcel you have to

5382
04:07:37,520 --> 04:07:41,600
obviously work with the grades that go

5383
04:07:39,600 --> 04:07:45,600
from one parcel to the adjoining parcel.

5384
04:07:41,600 --> 04:07:47,040
So both those things can be true. Um,

5385
04:07:45,600 --> 04:07:49,120
let's see. The other one that was

5386
04:07:47,040 --> 04:07:51,359
brought up was sorry was the uh Kinder

5387
04:07:49,120 --> 04:07:53,840
Morgan. I know Kinder Morgan came up as

5388
04:07:51,359 --> 04:07:56,399
a specific question in um some of the

5389
04:07:53,840 --> 04:07:58,000
comments on the EIR that I responded to

5390
04:07:56,399 --> 04:08:00,239
and we looked at the elevation there.

5391
04:07:58,000 --> 04:08:03,040
Kinder the Kinder Morgan partial is not

5392
04:08:00,239 --> 04:08:04,479
quite as high as what is proposed for

5393
04:08:03,040 --> 04:08:07,199
the rest of the Baylands, but it's

5394
04:08:04,479 --> 04:08:09,199
pretty close. So, while it may not be

5395
04:08:07,199 --> 04:08:11,760
resilient for quite as much sea level

5396
04:08:09,199 --> 04:08:14,160
rise as the specific plans proposed

5397
04:08:11,760 --> 04:08:16,160
grading, it was fairly close. say, you

5398
04:08:14,160 --> 04:08:18,160
know, up to 5t of sea level rise and

5399
04:08:16,160 --> 04:08:20,720
sort of was just starting to infringe on

5400
04:08:18,160 --> 04:08:23,199
the edges. I don't know the particulars

5401
04:08:20,720 --> 04:08:25,120
about Golden Gate lumber, but like I

5402
04:08:23,199 --> 04:08:27,359
said, Kinder Morgan was a comment that

5403
04:08:25,120 --> 04:08:30,800
was um brought up for the EIR that we

5404
04:08:27,359 --> 04:08:32,720
did look at in detail. Um, one of the

5405
04:08:30,800 --> 04:08:34,880
last ones is for the other drainage part

5406
04:08:32,720 --> 04:08:36,560
is um, there's that small creek that

5407
04:08:34,880 --> 04:08:38,640
comes out under Tunnel Avenue which is

5408
04:08:36,560 --> 04:08:40,800
just south of the specific plan area,

5409
04:08:38,640 --> 04:08:42,160
but there is also Visitation Creek which

5410
04:08:40,800 --> 04:08:46,160
is part of the drainage from the

5411
04:08:42,160 --> 04:08:48,640
hillside. And there is some um concern

5412
04:08:46,160 --> 04:08:50,160
about drainage and flooding along like

5413
04:08:48,640 --> 04:08:52,080
Beayshore Boulevard and like the

5414
04:08:50,160 --> 04:08:53,600
Levenson detention basin right where

5415
04:08:52,080 --> 04:08:56,640
like there's that sort of corner of

5416
04:08:53,600 --> 04:08:58,160
Beayshore Boulevard. um that area under

5417
04:08:56,640 --> 04:09:00,560
the specific plan would be protected

5418
04:08:58,160 --> 04:09:02,239
because there would be um to your point

5419
04:09:00,560 --> 04:09:04,479
about like you know the opportunities

5420
04:09:02,239 --> 04:09:08,239
for using a tide gate. The specific plan

5421
04:09:04,479 --> 04:09:10,880
proposes adding a tide gate um to

5422
04:09:08,239 --> 04:09:12,880
visitation creek for the areas on the

5423
04:09:10,880 --> 04:09:14,960
eastern side of the parcel. So that same

5424
04:09:12,880 --> 04:09:18,080
idea of having a tide gate that doesn't

5425
04:09:14,960 --> 04:09:20,000
allow tides to propagate upstream um

5426
04:09:18,080 --> 04:09:22,399
would occur. That tide gate would be

5427
04:09:20,000 --> 04:09:24,720
just on the eastern side of the proposed

5428
04:09:22,399 --> 04:09:26,640
storm water detention basin.

5429
04:09:24,720 --> 04:09:28,880
Um, and just to revisit back to the

5430
04:09:26,640 --> 04:09:31,680
question about the LMF, the LMF would

5431
04:09:28,880 --> 04:09:34,560
reduce the size of the detention basin

5432
04:09:31,680 --> 04:09:37,199
that was proposed originally in the

5433
04:09:34,560 --> 04:09:40,000
older specific plan. Um, and so that's

5434
04:09:37,199 --> 04:09:41,840
where some of that benefit of having

5435
04:09:40,000 --> 04:09:43,920
that detention basin and then the tide

5436
04:09:41,840 --> 04:09:45,600
gate that would, you know, sort of be on

5437
04:09:43,920 --> 04:09:47,120
the east side and allow that detention

5438
04:09:45,600 --> 04:09:49,520
basin to not get inundated with the

5439
04:09:47,120 --> 04:09:53,199
tides would be reduced.

5440
04:09:49,520 --> 04:09:54,640
Um, it could be addressed and as a as an

5441
04:09:53,199 --> 04:09:56,880
alternate that has been discussed in

5442
04:09:54,640 --> 04:09:59,279
some of the revised plans by having some

5443
04:09:56,880 --> 04:10:02,000
other ways of conveying water or sort of

5444
04:09:59,279 --> 04:10:03,439
a dealing with that reduced conveyance,

5445
04:10:02,000 --> 04:10:06,840
reduce storage volume that would be

5446
04:10:03,439 --> 04:10:06,840
there for the LMF.

5447
04:10:07,760 --> 04:10:14,560
Okay, thank you very much.

5448
04:10:12,000 --> 04:10:16,479
All right,

5449
04:10:14,560 --> 04:10:20,960
I'm going to read the names that we've

5450
04:10:16,479 --> 04:10:24,000
got on slips. So that you know the order

5451
04:10:20,960 --> 04:10:26,319
we first will have Melissa Foley

5452
04:10:24,000 --> 04:10:28,640
followed by Paul Bascal,

5453
04:10:26,319 --> 04:10:32,120
Anthony Walker,

5454
04:10:28,640 --> 04:10:32,120
Alli Zapperman,

5455
04:10:32,479 --> 04:10:37,319
Clara Johnson, Karen Cunningham,

5456
04:10:37,600 --> 04:10:45,840
Michelle I can't read. Alammon,

5457
04:10:43,439 --> 04:10:48,399
Ariel,

5458
04:10:45,840 --> 04:10:50,000
Linda Salmon,

5459
04:10:48,399 --> 04:10:52,479
Roland,

5460
04:10:50,000 --> 04:10:54,640
Eileene Mclofflin.

5461
04:10:52,479 --> 04:10:57,840
» Did you call mine, Colleen? Mine was all

5462
04:10:54,640 --> 04:10:59,439
on one sheet.

5463
04:10:57,840 --> 04:11:03,279
» That was the one you couldn't read.

5464
04:10:59,439 --> 04:11:06,560
» Oh, that's the one I can't read. Okay.

5465
04:11:03,279 --> 04:11:08,880
Oh, okay. Yes, that's [snorts] you.

5466
04:11:06,560 --> 04:11:11,520
Alman, it's Salmon. All right, Melissa

5467
04:11:08,880 --> 04:11:11,520
Foley.

5468
04:11:15,840 --> 04:11:19,520
Great. Good evening, mayor and council

5469
04:11:17,840 --> 04:11:20,800
members. My name is Melissa Foley and

5470
04:11:19,520 --> 04:11:23,680
I'm a science director at the San

5471
04:11:20,800 --> 04:11:25,520
Francisco Estuary Institute or SFBI.

5472
04:11:23,680 --> 04:11:27,439
We're a research nonprofit that provides

5473
04:11:25,520 --> 04:11:29,600
science to managers and communities to

5474
04:11:27,439 --> 04:11:32,800
revitalize nature in our communities in

5475
04:11:29,600 --> 04:11:34,960
the Bay Area. SFI reviewed and provided

5476
04:11:32,800 --> 04:11:37,040
independent ecological planning and

5477
04:11:34,960 --> 04:11:38,880
design recommendations to BDI to

5478
04:11:37,040 --> 04:11:40,479
incorporate into the updated balance

5479
04:11:38,880 --> 04:11:42,960
specific plan that you're considering

5480
04:11:40,479 --> 04:11:44,560
this evening. The recommendations we

5481
04:11:42,960 --> 04:11:47,199
provided align the best available

5482
04:11:44,560 --> 04:11:49,840
science on native plants, wildlife safe

5483
04:11:47,199 --> 04:11:53,120
design and connectivity with feedback

5484
04:11:49,840 --> 04:11:55,040
from local environmental organizations.

5485
04:11:53,120 --> 04:11:56,880
The Balins will be the first of its kind

5486
04:11:55,040 --> 04:11:58,880
development in the Bay Area that

5487
04:11:56,880 --> 04:12:01,439
intentionally brings together people and

5488
04:11:58,880 --> 04:12:03,120
nature at this scale by employing a

5489
04:12:01,439 --> 04:12:05,600
range of nature-based solutions to

5490
04:12:03,120 --> 04:12:08,640
provide multiple benefits ranging from

5491
04:12:05,600 --> 04:12:11,120
access to nature to heat mitigation to

5492
04:12:08,640 --> 04:12:13,760
biodiversity that will support healthy

5493
04:12:11,120 --> 04:12:16,560
and resilient outcomes for people and

5494
04:12:13,760 --> 04:12:18,960
wildlife. As long as the balins is

5495
04:12:16,560 --> 04:12:21,439
planned, designed, implemented, and

5496
04:12:18,960 --> 04:12:23,840
maintained with these multiple benefits

5497
04:12:21,439 --> 04:12:25,520
in mind, the balins can serve as an

5498
04:12:23,840 --> 04:12:28,160
example to cities throughout the Bay

5499
04:12:25,520 --> 04:12:30,960
Area of how communities and nature can

5500
04:12:28,160 --> 04:12:33,040
thrive together. I wanted to highlight

5501
04:12:30,960 --> 04:12:35,600
three examples from the specific plan

5502
04:12:33,040 --> 04:12:37,120
that stand out for the region.

5503
04:12:35,600 --> 04:12:38,720
First, the commitment to a high

5504
04:12:37,120 --> 04:12:41,520
proportion of native plants throughout

5505
04:12:38,720 --> 04:12:43,920
the project area and 100% native in the

5506
04:12:41,520 --> 04:12:46,880
habitat restoration enhancement and

5507
04:12:43,920 --> 04:12:48,960
other sensitive areas is commendable. A

5508
04:12:46,880 --> 04:12:51,359
diverse assemblage of native vegetation

5509
04:12:48,960 --> 04:12:53,920
will support local wildlife, expand

5510
04:12:51,359 --> 04:12:55,760
populations of locally adapted plants,

5511
04:12:53,920 --> 04:12:57,439
and reduce maintenance needs,

5512
04:12:55,760 --> 04:13:00,239
particularly the need for irrigation

5513
04:12:57,439 --> 04:13:02,239
once plants are established.

5514
04:13:00,239 --> 04:13:04,239
Second, by recognizing the importance of

5515
04:13:02,239 --> 04:13:06,720
the bayons for supporting local and

5516
04:13:04,239 --> 04:13:08,800
regional habitat connectivity, wildlife

5517
04:13:06,720 --> 04:13:11,840
movement, and habitat access to green

5518
04:13:08,800 --> 04:13:13,520
space, uh, sorry, human access to green

5519
04:13:11,840 --> 04:13:15,600
space. This specific plan takes a

5520
04:13:13,520 --> 04:13:17,600
landscape scale view that is needed in

5521
04:13:15,600 --> 04:13:19,760
the Bay Area to make our urban areas

5522
04:13:17,600 --> 04:13:22,640
healthier for people and wildlife and

5523
04:13:19,760 --> 04:13:25,199
more resilient to climate change.

5524
04:13:22,640 --> 04:13:26,800
Third, the wildlife safe design features

5525
04:13:25,199 --> 04:13:28,560
included in the specific plan,

5526
04:13:26,800 --> 04:13:30,960
particularly for lighting and building

5527
04:13:28,560 --> 04:13:33,199
design, ensure that the developed areas

5528
04:13:30,960 --> 04:13:35,439
introduce as few hazards as possible for

5529
04:13:33,199 --> 04:13:37,120
wildlife while ensuring residents

5530
04:13:35,439 --> 04:13:38,880
safety.

5531
04:13:37,120 --> 04:13:41,279
I know there will be challenges along

5532
04:13:38,880 --> 04:13:42,960
the way of implementing this project and

5533
04:13:41,279 --> 04:13:45,680
trade-offs among all of the ambitious

5534
04:13:42,960 --> 04:13:47,680
goals. A functioning ecosystem is at the

5535
04:13:45,680 --> 04:13:49,439
heart of thriving communities. So I

5536
04:13:47,680 --> 04:13:51,520
encourage the city of Brisbane to lean

5537
04:13:49,439 --> 04:13:53,279
in and make this an example of urban

5538
04:13:51,520 --> 04:13:57,439
planning and development that is looked

5539
04:13:53,279 --> 04:13:59,359
to throughout the region. Thank you.

5540
04:13:57,439 --> 04:14:02,359
» Thank you. Melissa

5541
04:13:59,359 --> 04:14:02,359
Paul

5542
04:14:06,080 --> 04:14:10,479
scale Brisbane resident.

5543
04:14:08,479 --> 04:14:12,080
Um so as far as sea level rise

5544
04:14:10,479 --> 04:14:16,479
adaptability

5545
04:14:12,080 --> 04:14:20,000
um visitation creek seems to be would

5546
04:14:16,479 --> 04:14:21,840
seem to have the most impact on the

5547
04:14:20,000 --> 04:14:26,239
development.

5548
04:14:21,840 --> 04:14:30,000
Uh so a thought for that would be uh

5549
04:14:26,239 --> 04:14:31,920
possibly to close off the outlet to the

5550
04:14:30,000 --> 04:14:36,479
bay

5551
04:14:31,920 --> 04:14:39,600
and on the railroad side which was not

5552
04:14:36,479 --> 04:14:41,600
unregulated landfill

5553
04:14:39,600 --> 04:14:46,080
run a pipeline

5554
04:14:41,600 --> 04:14:49,199
from Visitation Creek to the lagoon

5555
04:14:46,080 --> 04:14:51,520
along the backside of

5556
04:14:49,199 --> 04:14:54,640
the corpyard

5557
04:14:51,520 --> 04:14:57,279
and not have the channel with the leech

5558
04:14:54,640 --> 04:14:58,880
in the unregulated landfill. That's an

5559
04:14:57,279 --> 04:15:01,199
issue.

5560
04:14:58,880 --> 04:15:03,120
And then that could be just filled in

5561
04:15:01,199 --> 04:15:05,359
that channel

5562
04:15:03,120 --> 04:15:07,120
because unlike

5563
04:15:05,359 --> 04:15:10,080
the lagoon

5564
04:15:07,120 --> 04:15:13,520
which was stated to have

5565
04:15:10,080 --> 04:15:15,359
uh habitat in the mud flats,

5566
04:15:13,520 --> 04:15:17,600
that channel

5567
04:15:15,359 --> 04:15:19,359
east of tunnel.

5568
04:15:17,600 --> 04:15:21,680
Uh

5569
04:15:19,359 --> 04:15:23,920
while it does support habitat, it's it's

5570
04:15:21,680 --> 04:15:27,120
not mud flats and it's leech and it's

5571
04:15:23,920 --> 04:15:29,359
garbage and all kinds of stuff. So, what

5572
04:15:27,120 --> 04:15:30,880
if we just

5573
04:15:29,359 --> 04:15:32,800
didn't deal with that part of the

5574
04:15:30,880 --> 04:15:34,720
channel and ran that water to the

5575
04:15:32,800 --> 04:15:36,560
lagoon?

5576
04:15:34,720 --> 04:15:38,960
So, that was one thing I thought we

5577
04:15:36,560 --> 04:15:41,279
could do. The other thing that I thought

5578
04:15:38,960 --> 04:15:45,920
we could do, and I mentioned it before,

5579
04:15:41,279 --> 04:15:47,680
is move the housing out of the bayons.

5580
04:15:45,920 --> 04:15:50,319
Um,

5581
04:15:47,680 --> 04:15:53,040
I like the idea of the smaller units and

5582
04:15:50,319 --> 04:15:55,600
maybe live, work was mentioned, like

5583
04:15:53,040 --> 04:15:58,880
people that own businesses.

5584
04:15:55,600 --> 04:16:01,439
uh not necessarily families

5585
04:15:58,880 --> 04:16:03,680
um for a lot of reasons. I'd like to see

5586
04:16:01,439 --> 04:16:05,840
the development because there aren't

5587
04:16:03,680 --> 04:16:09,279
entitlements yet. And Cliff, you

5588
04:16:05,840 --> 04:16:12,000
mentioned that you getting close to

5589
04:16:09,279 --> 04:16:15,439
wrapping this up. You'd like to get this

5590
04:16:12,000 --> 04:16:19,279
moving. I don't think we're close at

5591
04:16:15,439 --> 04:16:22,080
all. and we should have a entertainment

5592
04:16:19,279 --> 04:16:25,040
center or some real big draw in the bay

5593
04:16:22,080 --> 04:16:28,399
lands to take advantage of the public

5594
04:16:25,040 --> 04:16:31,359
transportation that's inadequate for

5595
04:16:28,399 --> 04:16:33,600
housing. You know, the the housing

5596
04:16:31,359 --> 04:16:36,000
transit orientated

5597
04:16:33,600 --> 04:16:39,000
doesn't work. It's not frequent enough.

5598
04:16:36,000 --> 04:16:39,000
So,

5599
04:16:39,040 --> 04:16:43,199
I think we should move the housing to

5600
04:16:40,720 --> 04:16:46,399
the Levenson property

5601
04:16:43,199 --> 04:16:49,279
uh and set money aside through the HCP

5602
04:16:46,399 --> 04:16:52,080
because it's in the HCP for the fragile

5603
04:16:49,279 --> 04:16:56,159
habitat on the upper slopes. The lower

5604
04:16:52,080 --> 04:17:00,000
slopes are impacted by eucalyptus trees.

5605
04:16:56,159 --> 04:17:03,520
Uh it's right near infrastructure,

5606
04:17:00,000 --> 04:17:05,600
street, water, sewer. Uh talking about

5607
04:17:03,520 --> 04:17:09,199
water, if we just took the housing out

5608
04:17:05,600 --> 04:17:13,199
of the bay lands, maybe not all of it,

5609
04:17:09,199 --> 04:17:16,159
but the family style homes, not homes,

5610
04:17:13,199 --> 04:17:17,680
but probably highrises.

5611
04:17:16,159 --> 04:17:19,920
Uh

5612
04:17:17,680 --> 04:17:22,880
give the developer a density transfer

5613
04:17:19,920 --> 04:17:25,120
like we did in the acres. We gave people

5614
04:17:22,880 --> 04:17:28,319
that own property in acres an

5615
04:17:25,120 --> 04:17:30,399
opportunity to build twice the density

5616
04:17:28,319 --> 04:17:34,399
down here because we wanted to save the

5617
04:17:30,399 --> 04:17:36,319
habitat. I think building homes in the

5618
04:17:34,399 --> 04:17:39,120
bay lands

5619
04:17:36,319 --> 04:17:42,239
with the issue with liquefaction even if

5620
04:17:39,120 --> 04:17:44,159
they go down to you know highrises of

5621
04:17:42,239 --> 04:17:45,600
course are going to go to the bedrock.

5622
04:17:44,159 --> 04:17:48,399
They have to. They did it out at the

5623
04:17:45,600 --> 04:17:51,520
marina. All those buildings are pile

5624
04:17:48,399 --> 04:17:54,000
driven in the bedrock. the same 40 ft of

5625
04:17:51,520 --> 04:17:55,840
mud. So, [clears throat]

5626
04:17:54,000 --> 04:17:57,600
let's

5627
04:17:55,840 --> 04:18:01,279
take this opportunity to make something

5628
04:17:57,600 --> 04:18:03,920
really special. I mean, you mentioned

5629
04:18:01,279 --> 04:18:06,560
having something special there. Let's

5630
04:18:03,920 --> 04:18:08,560
get these these houses built in our

5631
04:18:06,560 --> 04:18:09,920
school district. We don't need to be

5632
04:18:08,560 --> 04:18:11,439
working with the school district that

5633
04:18:09,920 --> 04:18:13,840
doesn't want to work with our school

5634
04:18:11,439 --> 04:18:16,000
districts.

5635
04:18:13,840 --> 04:18:18,159
So, we have a pedestrian bridge going

5636
04:18:16,000 --> 04:18:20,159
over from those

5637
04:18:18,159 --> 04:18:22,720
highrises

5638
04:18:20,159 --> 04:18:25,600
into the bay lands eventually, but we

5639
04:18:22,720 --> 04:18:27,840
need to build houses now, right? And

5640
04:18:25,600 --> 04:18:29,760
maybe they could help us do it. Thank

5641
04:18:27,840 --> 04:18:32,479
you.

5642
04:18:29,760 --> 04:18:35,120
» Anthony Walker,

5643
04:18:32,479 --> 04:18:39,720
is he still here?

5644
04:18:35,120 --> 04:18:39,720
No. Okay. Ally

5645
04:18:54,000 --> 04:18:56,960
Good evening, mayor and council members.

5646
04:18:55,600 --> 04:18:59,920
I'm Ally Saperman with the Housing

5647
04:18:56,960 --> 04:19:01,920
Action Coalition. We urge the council to

5648
04:18:59,920 --> 04:19:04,319
certify the final EIR and adopt a

5649
04:19:01,920 --> 04:19:06,159
Bayland specific plan that is feasible,

5650
04:19:04,319 --> 04:19:07,920
flexible, and able to deliver thousands

5651
04:19:06,159 --> 04:19:09,760
of homes, including affordable homes.

5652
04:19:07,920 --> 04:19:11,600
this regently this region urgently

5653
04:19:09,760 --> 04:19:13,359
needs. We already committed to the

5654
04:19:11,600 --> 04:19:15,439
bayands as a majority of the site

5655
04:19:13,359 --> 04:19:17,680
inventory in the housing element. The

5656
04:19:15,439 --> 04:19:19,680
city could have chosen to build housing

5657
04:19:17,680 --> 04:19:21,840
elsewhere, but instead you all committed

5658
04:19:19,680 --> 04:19:23,920
to the Baylands. Due to significant

5659
04:19:21,840 --> 04:19:27,199
delays on the b on the bayands plans on

5660
04:19:23,920 --> 04:19:28,800
June 30th, HCD revoked its finding that

5661
04:19:27,199 --> 04:19:31,040
ba that Brisbane's housing element

5662
04:19:28,800 --> 04:19:32,720
complies with the law. Brisbane is now

5663
04:19:31,040 --> 04:19:35,040
exposed to the builder's remedy, loss of

5664
04:19:32,720 --> 04:19:37,120
state funding, court imposed penalties,

5665
04:19:35,040 --> 04:19:39,120
and referral to the attorney general.

5666
04:19:37,120 --> 04:19:41,680
There's a clear simple path back to

5667
04:19:39,120 --> 04:19:43,920
compliance. Adopt the bayands specific

5668
04:19:41,680 --> 04:19:45,600
plan and zoning. The baylands will take

5669
04:19:43,920 --> 04:19:47,840
decades to build out, so the land use

5670
04:19:45,600 --> 04:19:49,840
plan must be flexible enough to adapt

5671
04:19:47,840 --> 04:19:52,000
over time while still delivering housing

5672
04:19:49,840 --> 04:19:54,080
and community benefits. We recognize

5673
04:19:52,000 --> 04:19:55,760
this is a complicated project and the

5674
04:19:54,080 --> 04:19:57,439
city has put substantial effort into

5675
04:19:55,760 --> 04:19:59,520
getting here. But these hearings are

5676
04:19:57,439 --> 04:20:01,760
already behind schedule and after 20

5677
04:19:59,520 --> 04:20:03,439
years of analysis and public input, it's

5678
04:20:01,760 --> 04:20:05,120
time to move forward. Brisbane, our

5679
04:20:03,439 --> 04:20:07,840
region, and the state cannot afford

5680
04:20:05,120 --> 04:20:10,080
further delays. Thank you.

5681
04:20:07,840 --> 04:20:12,720
Okay. Thank you,

5682
04:20:10,080 --> 04:20:14,080
Clara Johnson.

5683
04:20:12,720 --> 04:20:14,720
Clara still here?

5684
04:20:14,080 --> 04:20:18,000
» No longer.

5685
04:20:14,720 --> 04:20:19,920
» No. Karen Cunningham.

5686
04:20:18,000 --> 04:20:22,920
No.

5687
04:20:19,920 --> 04:20:22,920
Michelle.

5688
04:20:24,960 --> 04:20:29,920
» I am still here. I'm still alive. Uh,

5689
04:20:28,479 --> 04:20:31,840
it's been so long I forgot what I was

5690
04:20:29,920 --> 04:20:35,199
going to say. No, what I really want to

5691
04:20:31,840 --> 04:20:37,920
say is I think that the draft DIIR is

5692
04:20:35,199 --> 04:20:40,880
still incomplete and one of the areas of

5693
04:20:37,920 --> 04:20:45,199
greatest concern for me is the lead

5694
04:20:40,880 --> 04:20:47,840
deposition along Old Bay Shore and along

5695
04:20:45,199 --> 04:20:52,560
the 101 and that has not been studied.

5696
04:20:47,840 --> 04:20:55,359
It is not in the draft which I read. Um

5697
04:20:52,560 --> 04:20:59,120
we've had lead gasoline uh vehicles

5698
04:20:55,359 --> 04:21:01,680
going there from 1925 till 1992.

5699
04:20:59,120 --> 04:21:04,159
That's a lot of lead deposition that

5700
04:21:01,680 --> 04:21:07,600
hasn't been studied and also pollution

5701
04:21:04,159 --> 04:21:09,920
from tires, etc. And that's where you're

5702
04:21:07,600 --> 04:21:13,199
planning to put a school and that's a

5703
04:21:09,920 --> 04:21:16,159
really really bad idea unless we figure

5704
04:21:13,199 --> 04:21:18,960
that out. Um, so that's really been on

5705
04:21:16,159 --> 04:21:22,000
my mind a lot. I'm a yes for

5706
04:21:18,960 --> 04:21:24,319
conservation easements. Um, I'm a yes

5707
04:21:22,000 --> 04:21:28,399
for lower heights of the buildings. I

5708
04:21:24,319 --> 04:21:31,199
think 12 stories is just plenty. um

5709
04:21:28,399 --> 04:21:34,319
design. The Dacon building built at

5710
04:21:31,199 --> 04:21:37,439
Sierra Point Park out at Sierra Point

5711
04:21:34,319 --> 04:21:39,840
was an award-winning design. It was a

5712
04:21:37,439 --> 04:21:42,399
building beyond belief when they first

5713
04:21:39,840 --> 04:21:44,640
built it. And yet over time it was

5714
04:21:42,399 --> 04:21:46,239
bought by somebody else and remodeled

5715
04:21:44,640 --> 04:21:48,319
into something that is really not very

5716
04:21:46,239 --> 04:21:51,439
spectacular. I just want to remind

5717
04:21:48,319 --> 04:21:52,720
people of that. And um there are many

5718
04:21:51,439 --> 04:21:54,560
more things that came up during this,

5719
04:21:52,720 --> 04:21:56,800
but I'm going to be brief. The only one

5720
04:21:54,560 --> 04:22:00,080
thing I want to make sure I do is invite

5721
04:21:56,800 --> 04:22:02,960
everybody to come Monday night here in

5722
04:22:00,080 --> 04:22:06,800
this room uh for the Brisbane and

5723
04:22:02,960 --> 04:22:09,359
Baylands Community Action Group meeting

5724
04:22:06,800 --> 04:22:12,720
where representatives from the

5725
04:22:09,359 --> 04:22:15,199
Department of Toxic Substance Control

5726
04:22:12,720 --> 04:22:18,800
and the Regional Water Quality Control

5727
04:22:15,199 --> 04:22:20,800
Board will be here to answer questions

5728
04:22:18,800 --> 04:22:22,800
about remediation.

5729
04:22:20,800 --> 04:22:25,439
And I think it is very very important

5730
04:22:22,800 --> 04:22:27,520
for the community to attend so you

5731
04:22:25,439 --> 04:22:30,880
really do learn more about what lies

5732
04:22:27,520 --> 04:22:35,279
beneath. Thank you.

5733
04:22:30,880 --> 04:22:37,359
» Thank you Michelle. Ariel. Ariel. Ariel.

5734
04:22:35,279 --> 04:22:38,399
» I know.

5735
04:22:37,359 --> 04:22:41,560
» Poor Ariel.

5736
04:22:38,399 --> 04:22:41,560
» I know.

5737
04:22:44,319 --> 04:22:48,000
» Good evening Mayor and members of the

5738
04:22:46,239 --> 04:22:50,239
city council. Thank you very much for

5739
04:22:48,000 --> 04:22:52,239
the opportunity to talk and thank you

5740
04:22:50,239 --> 04:22:54,159
for the pointing me to the right comment

5741
04:22:52,239 --> 04:22:56,239
period. I didn't want to talk about

5742
04:22:54,159 --> 04:22:58,479
green houses, greenhouse gases, but I do

5743
04:22:56,239 --> 04:23:00,239
want to talk about a greenhouse. Um I'm

5744
04:22:58,479 --> 04:23:02,000
here with San Bruno Mountain watch, but

5745
04:23:00,239 --> 04:23:04,479
also here representing Mission Blue

5746
04:23:02,000 --> 04:23:06,960
Nursery. Um as you know, the nursery has

5747
04:23:04,479 --> 04:23:08,239
been on the bay land since 2009. We

5748
04:23:06,960 --> 04:23:10,239
really appreciate the support of the

5749
04:23:08,239 --> 04:23:12,399
Bayands Development Company that's given

5750
04:23:10,239 --> 04:23:15,760
us that property to use for those many

5751
04:23:12,399 --> 04:23:20,239
years. And we think of the nursery as

5752
04:23:15,760 --> 04:23:22,720
the example of um of the greening of the

5753
04:23:20,239 --> 04:23:26,159
bayand. It's a place that was a piece of

5754
04:23:22,720 --> 04:23:27,760
empty Bay and over these past uh years

5755
04:23:26,159 --> 04:23:30,000
with the support of the community has

5756
04:23:27,760 --> 04:23:32,800
been transformed into a really beautiful

5757
04:23:30,000 --> 04:23:34,720
community gathering place into a a place

5758
04:23:32,800 --> 04:23:37,439
that's grown hundreds of thousands of

5759
04:23:34,720 --> 04:23:40,000
native plants for restoration on on San

5760
04:23:37,439 --> 04:23:42,239
Bruno Mountain. It's also a place that,

5761
04:23:40,000 --> 04:23:45,120
as noted in the uh bailance plan,

5762
04:23:42,239 --> 04:23:47,920
connects the mountain with the bay. We

5763
04:23:45,120 --> 04:23:50,159
see egrets at our nursery garden. Um we

5764
04:23:47,920 --> 04:23:52,080
see just awesome scrub jays on Monday

5765
04:23:50,159 --> 04:23:54,560
and our oak trees. We have painted

5766
04:23:52,080 --> 04:23:56,159
ladies and green hair streaks and um any

5767
04:23:54,560 --> 04:23:59,199
swallow tails and more butterflies that

5768
04:23:56,159 --> 04:24:01,439
use our nursery. And so um the values

5769
04:23:59,199 --> 04:24:03,279
that our nursery embodies using and

5770
04:24:01,439 --> 04:24:04,880
growing locally native plants and

5771
04:24:03,279 --> 04:24:07,760
connecting the mountain with the

5772
04:24:04,880 --> 04:24:10,880
community um are values that we see

5773
04:24:07,760 --> 04:24:13,760
represented in the Brisbane open space

5774
04:24:10,880 --> 04:24:16,800
plan um or in the open space plan and

5775
04:24:13,760 --> 04:24:18,399
the balance uh specific plan. We

5776
04:24:16,800 --> 04:24:20,960
appreciate that the balance specific

5777
04:24:18,399 --> 04:24:23,439
plan requires the use of native plants

5778
04:24:20,960 --> 04:24:25,920
in the restoration locally sourced

5779
04:24:23,439 --> 04:24:28,960
native plants in the restoration of open

5780
04:24:25,920 --> 04:24:30,479
spaces like Ice House Hill. Um, we

5781
04:24:28,960 --> 04:24:32,479
really loved being part of that, the

5782
04:24:30,479 --> 04:24:33,920
first Ice House Hill habitat restoration

5783
04:24:32,479 --> 04:24:36,479
event in partnership with the city of

5784
04:24:33,920 --> 04:24:38,560
Brisbane last December and we'd love to

5785
04:24:36,479 --> 04:24:41,199
see more events like that happen in the

5786
04:24:38,560 --> 04:24:43,120
near future and long term to restore not

5787
04:24:41,199 --> 04:24:45,840
just um ice house and the butterfly

5788
04:24:43,120 --> 04:24:48,000
habitat there, but also um the

5789
04:24:45,840 --> 04:24:50,000
visitation creek and the marsh habitat

5790
04:24:48,000 --> 04:24:52,000
and upland habitat around the Brisbane

5791
04:24:50,000 --> 04:24:54,319
lagoon.

5792
04:24:52,000 --> 04:24:56,239
Um we think that the nursery can be a

5793
04:24:54,319 --> 04:24:58,800
key part of future restoration around

5794
04:24:56,239 --> 04:25:02,239
the the balance properties uh growing

5795
04:24:58,800 --> 04:25:04,319
plants for these areas and also for um

5796
04:25:02,239 --> 04:25:06,960
the urban portions and and community

5797
04:25:04,319 --> 04:25:08,800
parks. And so we really want to thank

5798
04:25:06,960 --> 04:25:11,600
the planning commission and city staff

5799
04:25:08,800 --> 04:25:13,359
for the recommendation that the nursery

5800
04:25:11,600 --> 04:25:16,319
um stay in its current location. That's

5801
04:25:13,359 --> 04:25:19,199
where we think it would best um operate.

5802
04:25:16,319 --> 04:25:21,840
And we think it could also fit well um

5803
04:25:19,199 --> 04:25:23,600
as a site of recreation where students

5804
04:25:21,840 --> 04:25:25,359
and community members could be going to

5805
04:25:23,600 --> 04:25:27,920
exercise and could also be coming to

5806
04:25:25,359 --> 04:25:31,920
volunteer as well as another form of

5807
04:25:27,920 --> 04:25:33,760
outdoor recreation. And so to um

5808
04:25:31,920 --> 04:25:36,159
conclude, we just want to say we

5809
04:25:33,760 --> 04:25:39,199
appreciate these portions of the open

5810
04:25:36,159 --> 04:25:42,479
space um plans that are in the Balance

5811
04:25:39,199 --> 04:25:44,800
Pacific plan and we support uh the

5812
04:25:42,479 --> 04:25:46,800
passing of a balance plan that keeps the

5813
04:25:44,800 --> 04:25:48,800
nursery in its current location and

5814
04:25:46,800 --> 04:25:51,279
includes this uh sensitive restoration

5815
04:25:48,800 --> 04:25:52,960
to happen. Um, so thank you very much.

5816
04:25:51,279 --> 04:25:54,880
And if I could just take a few seconds

5817
04:25:52,960 --> 04:25:58,000
on a separate note to thank the council

5818
04:25:54,880 --> 04:25:59,279
also for um co-sponsoring the meet the

5819
04:25:58,000 --> 04:26:00,800
mountain fair that happened this past

5820
04:25:59,279 --> 04:26:02,960
Saturday. It was a really beautiful

5821
04:26:00,800 --> 04:26:04,880
event and the city staff that supported

5822
04:26:02,960 --> 04:26:06,880
it, Andy, Isaiah, Jeff Ricardo, and

5823
04:26:04,880 --> 04:26:09,120
everyone else. Um, we just really want

5824
04:26:06,880 --> 04:26:10,399
to say thank you. So, um, thank you very

5825
04:26:09,120 --> 04:26:15,479
much.

5826
04:26:10,399 --> 04:26:15,479
» Thank you, Linda Sherman.

5827
04:26:23,199 --> 04:26:28,000
Hi. I hope we have time after all this

5828
04:26:26,000 --> 04:26:29,680
is done when we have public comment

5829
04:26:28,000 --> 04:26:33,319
again because having it in the middle of

5830
04:26:29,680 --> 04:26:34,800
it is kind of crazy, at least for me.

5831
04:26:33,319 --> 04:26:38,080
[clears throat]

5832
04:26:34,800 --> 04:26:41,840
I'm not opposed to having dwelling units

5833
04:26:38,080 --> 04:26:45,439
on the bayand. When we did the 1994

5834
04:26:41,840 --> 04:26:49,760
general plan, we gave plenty of FS so

5835
04:26:45,439 --> 04:26:52,239
that u some highrises I don't know about

5836
04:26:49,760 --> 04:26:55,279
20 stories but you know could be built

5837
04:26:52,239 --> 04:26:57,199
with dwelling units like apartments that

5838
04:26:55,279 --> 04:27:00,399
could be either bought or rented to

5839
04:26:57,199 --> 04:27:04,640
working people on top of it so that they

5840
04:27:00,399 --> 04:27:05,600
weren't on toxic soil directly. And I

5841
04:27:04,640 --> 04:27:08,159
still [clears throat] think that that's

5842
04:27:05,600 --> 04:27:12,319
the best solution for housing on the bay

5843
04:27:08,159 --> 04:27:16,080
lands and uh rather than putting um

5844
04:27:12,319 --> 04:27:20,920
actual people on the toxic stuff. It's

5845
04:27:16,080 --> 04:27:20,920
just not it's not [clears throat] safe.

5846
04:27:23,359 --> 04:27:29,279
And instead we got from um I don't know

5847
04:27:27,199 --> 04:27:31,520
TUNT sequest whatever you're calling

5848
04:27:29,279 --> 04:27:33,120
yourself now. We had this incredible

5849
04:27:31,520 --> 04:27:35,359
architect that came here to Brisbane.

5850
04:27:33,120 --> 04:27:37,199
Some of you may remember you were around

5851
04:27:35,359 --> 04:27:39,279
and with this wonderful building that

5852
04:27:37,199 --> 04:27:41,199
everybody in the town was so happy about

5853
04:27:39,279 --> 04:27:43,680
and saying yes, we're going to have

5854
04:27:41,199 --> 04:27:45,359
this. It was it's it was beautiful. And

5855
04:27:43,680 --> 04:27:48,800
do you remember that Terry? I don't know

5856
04:27:45,359 --> 04:27:50,319
if you were here, but anyway. So, and

5857
04:27:48,800 --> 04:27:52,720
then

5858
04:27:50,319 --> 04:27:55,760
it got taken away just like just like

5859
04:27:52,720 --> 04:27:59,040
that. It's what what we had agreed for

5860
04:27:55,760 --> 04:28:00,880
what we had put in the in 30 some odd

5861
04:27:59,040 --> 04:28:04,080
years ago. So when you're complaining

5862
04:28:00,880 --> 04:28:05,840
about 20 years versus 30 years, I mean,

5863
04:28:04,080 --> 04:28:08,295
we're going we've been doing this for

5864
04:28:05,840 --> 04:28:09,760
hella long time,

5865
04:28:08,295 --> 04:28:13,920
[clears throat] it's definitely time to

5866
04:28:09,760 --> 04:28:17,680
come to some kind of a plan that is also

5867
04:28:13,920 --> 04:28:20,319
flexible that will allow dwelling units.

5868
04:28:17,680 --> 04:28:22,560
I call them dwelling units, not houses,

5869
04:28:20,319 --> 04:28:24,479
because houses implies that they're on

5870
04:28:22,560 --> 04:28:26,319
the land and they can have a garden and

5871
04:28:24,479 --> 04:28:30,479
do all kinds of other things that houses

5872
04:28:26,319 --> 04:28:33,680
do. And this is not safe for this area.

5873
04:28:30,479 --> 04:28:36,159
Squa is about safety. It's not about not

5874
04:28:33,680 --> 04:28:37,680
building. It's about safety. And this is

5875
04:28:36,159 --> 04:28:41,040
why we're not building on our own

5876
04:28:37,680 --> 04:28:44,960
mountain because our soil ray wacky is

5877
04:28:41,040 --> 04:28:47,199
subject to landslides in a big way as we

5878
04:28:44,960 --> 04:28:49,920
discovered a few years back uh a couple

5879
04:28:47,199 --> 04:28:52,880
years ago on on the other another canyon

5880
04:28:49,920 --> 04:28:54,880
next to us. And this is why we said no

5881
04:28:52,880 --> 04:28:56,960
more no more. This is why we started the

5882
04:28:54,880 --> 04:28:59,680
program of building up land, taking land

5883
04:28:56,960 --> 04:29:02,640
where this wouldn't happen. And we have

5884
04:28:59,680 --> 04:29:05,520
the same problem here. We do have a

5885
04:29:02,640 --> 04:29:08,479
lagoon and the lagoon gets fed in part

5886
04:29:05,520 --> 04:29:10,080
by mountain by stuff from the from our

5887
04:29:08,479 --> 04:29:12,640
mountain that comes down. So it's fresh

5888
04:29:10,080 --> 04:29:15,680
water and salt water. And there is a

5889
04:29:12,640 --> 04:29:18,399
problem with the overpass that I think

5890
04:29:15,680 --> 04:29:23,040
it was Walt Peters who when he was part

5891
04:29:18,399 --> 04:29:25,279
of their our our city um identified and

5892
04:29:23,040 --> 04:29:27,520
that has never been fixed and it has to

5893
04:29:25,279 --> 04:29:30,399
be done. So we have we do have issues

5894
04:29:27,520 --> 04:29:32,640
that we have to do before we can do

5895
04:29:30,399 --> 04:29:35,840
other kinds of buildings and figuring

5896
04:29:32,640 --> 04:29:38,560
things out. So in some sense we're not

5897
04:29:35,840 --> 04:29:41,520
there yet. In another sense we could be

5898
04:29:38,560 --> 04:29:43,600
there. We don't have an adequate EIR

5899
04:29:41,520 --> 04:29:45,600
that still doesn't look at the racetrack

5900
04:29:43,600 --> 04:29:48,720
and the glue factory and other stuff

5901
04:29:45,600 --> 04:29:51,760
that happened on the bayands. We need to

5902
04:29:48,720 --> 04:29:54,319
remedy that before we can actually do

5903
04:29:51,760 --> 04:29:57,040
authorize a general plan. And if there's

5904
04:29:54,319 --> 04:30:00,000
some way that the the any authorizations

5905
04:29:57,040 --> 04:30:03,120
or permits that we give can be made for

5906
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:05,439
this owner only and if they sell off the

5907
04:30:03,120 --> 04:30:07,359
property as a whole, I think they're

5908
04:30:05,439 --> 04:30:10,159
planning to do then they have to start

5909
04:30:07,359 --> 04:30:11,760
all over again. I'm sorry, but we don't

5910
04:30:10,159 --> 04:30:16,359
want another situation that we had on

5911
04:30:11,760 --> 04:30:16,359
the northeast ridge. Thank you.

5912
04:30:17,040 --> 04:30:24,359
» Thank you. Uh Roland, is Roland still

5913
04:30:19,760 --> 04:30:24,359
online? City clerk.

5914
04:30:25,520 --> 04:30:30,560
» Yeah, we're already see still here and

5915
04:30:27,920 --> 04:30:33,760
sorry I didn't beat the 10:00

5916
04:30:30,560 --> 04:30:36,319
um hour. I'm going to be very quick. So,

5917
04:30:33,760 --> 04:30:37,840
a couple of answers. Um Madame Mayor

5918
04:30:36,319 --> 04:30:41,680
with regards to the question about

5919
04:30:37,840 --> 04:30:46,960
silent piling the answer is called it's

5920
04:30:41,680 --> 04:30:49,840
called geon pile g i k e n

5921
04:30:46,960 --> 04:30:52,960
first came across them in 2008 and most

5922
04:30:49,840 --> 04:30:55,359
recently they were used by the uh boring

5923
04:30:52,960 --> 04:30:58,479
company in Las Vegas for the people

5924
04:30:55,359 --> 04:31:02,880
mover for the convention center. Now

5925
04:30:58,479 --> 04:31:05,520
moving on to the uh last item is uh my

5926
04:31:02,880 --> 04:31:09,680
proposal to basically elim completely

5927
04:31:05,520 --> 04:31:12,720
eliminate the um HMF in Brisbane and

5928
04:31:09,680 --> 04:31:15,439
relocated to Oakland and I'm pleased to

5929
04:31:12,720 --> 04:31:17,199
inform you that

5930
04:31:15,439 --> 04:31:20,399
um well first of all this has been

5931
04:31:17,199 --> 04:31:22,399
rejected in the EIR as an alternative

5932
04:31:20,399 --> 04:31:25,439
but I'm going to explain to you why

5933
04:31:22,399 --> 04:31:29,920
that's not necessarily right. The state

5934
04:31:25,439 --> 04:31:32,640
rail plant was modified in 2018 to

5935
04:31:29,920 --> 04:31:34,880
modify the Salesforce transit center

5936
04:31:32,640 --> 04:31:37,359
from the terminus which is what the

5937
04:31:34,880 --> 04:31:40,319
highspeed rail lottery still thinks it

5938
04:31:37,359 --> 04:31:44,399
is to a true station and it was

5939
04:31:40,319 --> 04:31:47,600
reaffirmed in 2024 in the 2024

5940
04:31:44,399 --> 04:31:49,359
California still state rail plan. Thank

5941
04:31:47,600 --> 04:31:52,560
you and good night.

5942
04:31:49,359 --> 04:31:57,880
» All right, thank you. And this is my

5943
04:31:52,560 --> 04:31:57,880
last one. Eileen Mclofflin online.

5944
04:31:57,920 --> 04:32:02,080
Eileen.

5945
04:32:00,822 --> 04:32:03,120
[clears throat]

5946
04:32:02,080 --> 04:32:04,399
» Good evening.

5947
04:32:03,120 --> 04:32:06,319
» Yeah. Can you hear me?

5948
04:32:04,399 --> 04:32:08,319
» We can hear you. Go ahead.

5949
04:32:06,319 --> 04:32:10,960
» Okay. Good evening, Mayor Mack and

5950
04:32:08,319 --> 04:32:12,720
members of council. I am Eileen McWin

5951
04:32:10,960 --> 04:32:15,120
representing the citizens committee to

5952
04:32:12,720 --> 04:32:17,120
complete the refuge. We are co-signers

5953
04:32:15,120 --> 04:32:20,319
and co-authors of the joint letter

5954
04:32:17,120 --> 04:32:21,920
referred to as the Sierra Club letter.

5955
04:32:20,319 --> 04:32:24,159
We are pleased that multiple

5956
04:32:21,920 --> 04:32:28,239
recommendations of the letter have been

5957
04:32:24,159 --> 04:32:31,279
considered in the city's process.

5958
04:32:28,239 --> 04:32:34,159
Remarkable and exceptional intentions of

5959
04:32:31,279 --> 04:32:37,120
the specific plan will establish,

5960
04:32:34,159 --> 04:32:39,520
restore or enhance ecologically rich

5961
04:32:37,120 --> 04:32:42,159
areas, providing habitats that attract

5962
04:32:39,520 --> 04:32:45,439
and serve increasingly biodiverse

5963
04:32:42,159 --> 04:32:47,600
wildlife communities. We sincerely hope

5964
04:32:45,439 --> 04:32:49,359
you will see those intentions become

5965
04:32:47,600 --> 04:32:51,439
reality.

5966
04:32:49,359 --> 04:32:54,159
Indeed, it has been recommended that

5967
04:32:51,439 --> 04:32:57,439
conservation easements be applied to

5968
04:32:54,159 --> 04:33:01,040
help ensure those ecological goals can

5969
04:32:57,439 --> 04:33:02,880
be met. We hope that requirement is

5970
04:33:01,040 --> 04:33:05,279
established

5971
04:33:02,880 --> 04:33:07,199
toward that goal. And as discussed in

5972
04:33:05,279 --> 04:33:10,400
our letter, we recommended that the

5973
04:33:07,199 --> 04:33:14,719
city's dark skies policies be improved

5974
04:33:10,400 --> 04:33:16,639
on behalf of healthy habitats.

5975
04:33:14,719 --> 04:33:19,359
In general, dark skies policies

5976
04:33:16,639 --> 04:33:22,400
emphasize limiting the escape of light

5977
04:33:19,359 --> 04:33:25,600
skyward and is controlled within urban

5978
04:33:22,400 --> 04:33:28,000
areas. The needs of ground dwelling

5979
04:33:25,600 --> 04:33:30,719
species and species that are mobile at

5980
04:33:28,000 --> 04:33:34,320
night are often not considered in those

5981
04:33:30,719 --> 04:33:36,160
dark skies skyward policies.

5982
04:33:34,320 --> 04:33:38,639
Night creatures have biologically

5983
04:33:36,160 --> 04:33:41,680
adjusted to thrive in the darkest

5984
04:33:38,639 --> 04:33:44,959
conditions. Light exposes them to

5985
04:33:41,680 --> 04:33:48,000
predators, reduces their time to forage,

5986
04:33:44,959 --> 04:33:50,080
and is a stressful disturbance affecting

5987
04:33:48,000 --> 04:33:52,879
their reproduction.

5988
04:33:50,080 --> 04:33:56,240
For those reasons, light fixtures as on

5989
04:33:52,879 --> 04:33:59,199
trails needs to be placed and shielded

5990
04:33:56,240 --> 04:34:02,320
to prevent spill into sensitive

5991
04:33:59,199 --> 04:34:05,600
habitats. Local windows, balconies,

5992
04:34:02,320 --> 04:34:07,840
outdoor lighting of sport sports courts

5993
04:34:05,600 --> 04:34:12,160
or other fixtures should be timed and

5994
04:34:07,840 --> 04:34:14,879
shielded to avoid light spill into those

5995
04:34:12,160 --> 04:34:17,439
sensitive habitats that we so want to

5996
04:34:14,879 --> 04:34:19,680
see developed here.

5997
04:34:17,439 --> 04:34:22,879
One lighting reference used in the

5998
04:34:19,680 --> 04:34:25,920
documents as a daily standard is the

5999
04:34:22,879 --> 04:34:28,719
brightness of the full moon. This was

6000
04:34:25,920 --> 04:34:31,840
confusing. We note that the light of the

6001
04:34:28,719 --> 04:34:35,039
moon is full or near full for a very few

6002
04:34:31,840 --> 04:34:37,600
days of each month. Night creatures

6003
04:34:35,039 --> 04:34:41,119
reduce their activity during those

6004
04:34:37,600 --> 04:34:43,279
bright nights. For that reason, daily

6005
04:34:41,119 --> 04:34:46,160
light fixture standards should not be

6006
04:34:43,279 --> 04:34:50,160
set to the light of the full moon as

6007
04:34:46,160 --> 04:34:53,359
neither we nor ever experience a full

6008
04:34:50,160 --> 04:34:55,840
moon every night. Please reset the

6009
04:34:53,359 --> 04:34:59,199
outdoor and habitat adjacent light

6010
04:34:55,840 --> 04:35:01,920
standard to 2700 Kelvin and be

6011
04:34:59,199 --> 04:35:05,119
restricted to a warm color range that

6012
04:35:01,920 --> 04:35:07,359
does not spill into ecologically

6013
04:35:05,119 --> 04:35:09,119
sensitive areas.

6014
04:35:07,359 --> 04:35:12,561
Again, we look forward to an

6015
04:35:09,119 --> 04:35:15,920
ecologically rich shoreline for

6016
04:35:12,561 --> 04:35:20,799
Brisbane. Thank you.

6017
04:35:15,920 --> 04:35:23,799
» Thank you. Next I have Dao Jane Pi

6018
04:35:20,799 --> 04:35:23,799
online.

6019
04:35:24,160 --> 04:35:30,480
» Hello.

6020
04:35:26,160 --> 04:35:32,959
Um so uh hopefully you can hear me. Um

6021
04:35:30,480 --> 04:35:35,600
good evening council members. Uh my name

6022
04:35:32,959 --> 04:35:37,840
is Dow Jane Pay. I'm the program and

6023
04:35:35,600 --> 04:35:40,160
operations manager for Buildup Sanonteo

6024
04:35:37,840 --> 04:35:42,000
County. Uh really quick, Buildup is a

6025
04:35:40,160 --> 04:35:43,760
multis sector initiative whose mission

6026
04:35:42,000 --> 04:35:46,799
is to preserve, expand, and improve

6027
04:35:43,760 --> 04:35:48,719
child care facilities. and I'm here

6028
04:35:46,799 --> 04:35:51,039
tonight to build on the letter that we

6029
04:35:48,719 --> 04:35:54,240
sent to the city council dated September

6030
04:35:51,039 --> 04:35:56,000
11th, 2026. Thank you to council member

6031
04:35:54,240 --> 04:35:58,320
Lent for calling attention to that

6032
04:35:56,000 --> 04:36:00,000
letter tonight. Um and I really

6033
04:35:58,320 --> 04:36:02,799
appreciate this opportunity to

6034
04:36:00,000 --> 04:36:06,000
participate in the the baian's project

6035
04:36:02,799 --> 04:36:07,920
uh project process. Um because tonight's

6036
04:36:06,000 --> 04:36:10,799
discussion is specifically about the

6037
04:36:07,920 --> 04:36:12,320
land use plan, we did want to point out,

6038
04:36:10,799 --> 04:36:15,119
which I think we did in our letter also,

6039
04:36:12,320 --> 04:36:16,799
is that we didn't see child care

6040
04:36:15,119 --> 04:36:21,359
specifically addressed in the staff

6041
04:36:16,799 --> 04:36:22,799
report. So with 2200 new homes and 6.5

6042
04:36:21,359 --> 04:36:25,760
million square feet of commercial

6043
04:36:22,799 --> 04:36:28,080
development, the Baylands project um

6044
04:36:25,760 --> 04:36:30,320
when completed will create child care

6045
04:36:28,080 --> 04:36:32,400
needs from both new residents and it

6046
04:36:30,320 --> 04:36:35,840
will also bring in a significant new

6047
04:36:32,400 --> 04:36:38,799
workforce. Child care is a part of the

6048
04:36:35,840 --> 04:36:41,520
economic infrastructure of any community

6049
04:36:38,799 --> 04:36:43,760
and it allows parents to work um and it

6050
04:36:41,520 --> 04:36:45,279
helps employers to attract and retain a

6051
04:36:43,760 --> 04:36:48,320
workforce.

6052
04:36:45,279 --> 04:36:50,240
Brisbane already recognizes daycare as a

6053
04:36:48,320 --> 04:36:52,879
residential supportive use in its

6054
04:36:50,240 --> 04:36:54,561
general plan. Our request is that child

6055
04:36:52,879 --> 04:36:56,879
care should also be intentionally

6056
04:36:54,561 --> 04:36:59,439
considered as the council continues to

6057
04:36:56,879 --> 04:37:02,240
discuss how uses are distributed across

6058
04:36:59,439 --> 04:37:04,400
the bays, particularly in relation to

6059
04:37:02,240 --> 04:37:06,240
residential neighborhoods and employment

6060
04:37:04,400 --> 04:37:08,719
centers.

6061
04:37:06,240 --> 04:37:11,199
With the scope of this project, you all

6062
04:37:08,719 --> 04:37:13,119
are really designing and planning for uh

6063
04:37:11,199 --> 04:37:16,000
for residents and a workforce that

6064
04:37:13,119 --> 04:37:18,080
doesn't exist in Brisbane yet. Um, and

6065
04:37:16,000 --> 04:37:21,119
that's a really hard job. It's a really

6066
04:37:18,080 --> 04:37:23,520
hard job to predict the future.

6067
04:37:21,119 --> 04:37:25,920
But we already know that child care is

6068
04:37:23,520 --> 04:37:30,160
infrastructure and is an integral part

6069
04:37:25,920 --> 04:37:32,080
of any thriving city. Uh as we've said

6070
04:37:30,160 --> 04:37:33,840
throughout this process, allowing child

6071
04:37:32,080 --> 04:37:35,531
care is not the same thing as planning

6072
04:37:33,840 --> 04:37:36,799
for child care. So tonight's

6073
04:37:35,531 --> 04:37:38,480
[clears throat] land use discussion is

6074
04:37:36,799 --> 04:37:42,240
an important opportunity to make sure

6075
04:37:38,480 --> 04:37:44,000
that this planning begins. Um, I just

6076
04:37:42,240 --> 04:37:46,480
wanted to give a special thank you to

6077
04:37:44,000 --> 04:37:48,320
council member Lent for reading our uh

6078
04:37:46,480 --> 04:37:52,000
for reading buildup's recommendation to

6079
04:37:48,320 --> 04:37:53,760
add a child care goal to section 2.2 and

6080
04:37:52,000 --> 04:37:56,799
supporting this addition to the specific

6081
04:37:53,760 --> 04:37:59,039
plan. Um, I also think I heard council

6082
04:37:56,799 --> 04:38:01,119
members Kerna and Davis voice their

6083
04:37:59,039 --> 04:38:03,039
support for the addition. Buildup is

6084
04:38:01,119 --> 04:38:05,199
always available for continued

6085
04:38:03,039 --> 04:38:08,160
discussion with all city council members

6086
04:38:05,199 --> 04:38:10,639
um about our recommendation. And I also

6087
04:38:08,160 --> 04:38:13,039
wanted to spend uh to to say thank you

6088
04:38:10,639 --> 04:38:15,840
to the entire council and the city staff

6089
04:38:13,039 --> 04:38:18,400
for the care and careful analysis you

6090
04:38:15,840 --> 04:38:20,160
are putting into this project. It really

6091
04:38:18,400 --> 04:38:22,240
shows in your questions and your

6092
04:38:20,160 --> 04:38:26,080
comments and and the staff reports and

6093
04:38:22,240 --> 04:38:28,000
presentations. Um I wish I could say

6094
04:38:26,080 --> 04:38:30,240
this was probably going to be the last

6095
04:38:28,000 --> 04:38:32,561
uh you know meeting that goes until 10

6096
04:38:30,240 --> 04:38:36,000
10:30, but I I I think this is just the

6097
04:38:32,561 --> 04:38:38,080
beginning um of these long uh special

6098
04:38:36,000 --> 04:38:40,000
meetings. But I do look forward to the

6099
04:38:38,080 --> 04:38:42,480
upcoming discussions and participating

6100
04:38:40,000 --> 04:38:45,199
in this exciting journey with you all.

6101
04:38:42,480 --> 04:38:48,480
Thank you and have a good night.

6102
04:38:45,199 --> 04:38:52,080
» Thank you. That's all the slips that we

6103
04:38:48,480 --> 04:38:54,080
have and we are now out of time. That

6104
04:38:52,080 --> 04:38:56,480
being said,

6105
04:38:54,080 --> 04:38:59,840
um could I get a first and second to

6106
04:38:56,480 --> 04:39:05,520
continue the public hearing

6107
04:38:59,840 --> 04:39:07,520
uh to October 6, 2026 at 5:30 p.m.

6108
04:39:05,520 --> 04:39:09,199
» When we say continue the public hearing,

6109
04:39:07,520 --> 04:39:11,439
are we continuing the public hearing on

6110
04:39:09,199 --> 04:39:13,279
the topics of land use and design topics

6111
04:39:11,439 --> 04:39:14,959
or are we moving on to the next topic,

6112
04:39:13,279 --> 04:39:15,760
which is transportation and transit

6113
04:39:14,959 --> 04:39:18,959
topics?

6114
04:39:15,760 --> 04:39:22,080
» We still had council questions on the

6115
04:39:18,959 --> 04:39:24,959
land use topic. So that portion will

6116
04:39:22,080 --> 04:39:26,561
appear on the next hearing along with

6117
04:39:24,959 --> 04:39:29,920
some other topics.

6118
04:39:26,561 --> 04:39:32,240
» To clarify, it is one public hearing.

6119
04:39:29,920 --> 04:39:34,639
You are continuing the public hearing on

6120
04:39:32,240 --> 04:39:37,119
the approvals before the council. You

6121
04:39:34,639 --> 04:39:37,760
can discuss the topics as you'd like at

6122
04:39:37,119 --> 04:39:40,000
the next meeting.

6123
04:39:37,760 --> 04:39:42,798
» Okay. Thank you for that.

6124
04:39:40,000 --> 04:39:45,520
» Okay. So, I did want to mention when in

6125
04:39:42,798 --> 04:39:48,560
the initial presentation from staff,

6126
04:39:45,520 --> 04:39:51,520
they did leave off the Monday, October

6127
04:39:48,560 --> 04:39:54,638
26th meeting in the announcement of the

6128
04:39:51,520 --> 04:39:56,400
meeting schedule.

6129
04:39:54,638 --> 04:39:56,958
» Okay. Thank you, Council Member

6130
04:39:56,400 --> 04:39:59,520
Okonnell.

6131
04:39:56,958 --> 04:40:01,200
» And with that, I'll second the motion.

6132
04:39:59,520 --> 04:40:03,840
» I I didn't get a first, I don't think.

6133
04:40:01,200 --> 04:40:07,400
» Oh, I'll make the motion to continue the

6134
04:40:03,840 --> 04:40:07,400
meeting to

6135
04:40:07,680 --> 04:40:09,280
» I need a second

6136
04:40:08,320 --> 04:40:11,440
» October 6th.

6137
04:40:09,280 --> 04:40:13,120
» I'll second. All in favor?

6138
04:40:11,440 --> 04:40:15,280
» I I

6139
04:40:13,120 --> 04:40:17,440
» Thank you everyone. Thank you for your

6140
04:40:15,280 --> 04:40:19,280
endurance. Thank you for showing up in

6141
04:40:17,440 --> 04:40:21,360
your interest, your comments, and your

6142
04:40:19,280 --> 04:40:22,480
questions. Have a good night.

6143
04:40:21,360 --> 04:40:25,560
» Thank you.

6144
04:40:22,480 --> 04:40:25,560
» All right.

6145
04:40:28,454 --> 04:40:30,472
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04:40:34,348 --> 04:40:39,320
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04:40:36,320 --> 04:40:39,320
Heat. Heat.

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04:40:39,588 --> 04:40:41,608
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