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I call the Hudson Planning Commission meeting to order on September 9th at 6 o' 1 p.m. Can I get a roll call please? Commissioner Warren. Here. Commissioner Cole. Here. Commissioner Post. Here. Commissioner Shackley. Here. Commissioner Bond. Absent. Commissioner Wyant. Absent.

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I have the present commissioners had an opportunity to review the consent agenda.

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and

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we'll entertain a motion on such consent agenda.

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I move, we approve the consent agenda.

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Second.

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It's been moved and seconded, all in favor?

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Consent agenda passes.

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Do we have any citizens online?

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No citizens online.

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No citizens in the group.

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So we move on, general business.

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This data center, Mediterranean, and future code amendment, Town of Puts and Water Supply

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presented by Bryce Lane, 2026, Town of Puts and Water Master Supply and Land.

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And I appreciate you introducing Bryce.

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What I'll just remind you guys is that this item has been on your general business for a

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while.

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So we are in the middle of a data center, a moratorium.

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You have our town manager here tonight.

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So this is going to be a rolling item.

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So we'll have different speakers.

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Bryce is here tonight to talk to you about our waters.

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We're going to talk in general about our water supply.

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I did add the water supply master plan into your packet.

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The packet is the agenda, but the water supply master plan is linked.

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You guys heard the water supply master plan.

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You actually had to act on it and approve it a little earlier.

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Last year, I can't remember what it was this year.

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Sorry, it's September.

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This year went by a little quicker than normal.

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I'm sorry to say. So you should be familiar with it, but Bryce is going to give you a high level

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of our water supply and talk to you about kind of how a data center would impact that water supply

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if one were to come in and give you some scenarios. So I'm not going to try and still your thunder,

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but I kind of give a little intro to what you're going to talk to everybody about tonight.

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All right, thanks Bryce for coming. All right, awesome. Can you hear me all right?

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already. So before you should have a sheet sheet like this, this is a really boiled down version

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of the water supply master plan. And this is specifically with Northern water supplies only.

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So the town also has other water supplies that I'll go into as well, but Northern is and has been

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the largest source of our water. So I'll go through it. I don't like to talk a whole whole lot.

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I'd rather have a discussion, so if you have questions, stop me, and we can have a discussion if I'm not explaining things the right way if you just have clarifying questions. So I'll start right at the top where it says water supply.

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So you'll see two columns or three columns. One is, you know, the left hand

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column CBT carryover, you know, of water year from 2025 to 2026 and then a

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water year 26 to 27. It's a little more complicated with with Northern. They

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have like a different water, they have a water year. So they have a water year of

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October 1 to September 30th for CBT and just to make things easy for windy

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gap, they have a water year of November first to October 31. So it's a little,

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little challenge there with kind of managing the supply. But I think that that makes sense

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just from us perspective that they can kind of see where the dust settles with water used from

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that previous summer. So kind of going through it, CBT carryover from previous water year, we didn't

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have any carryover. We just kind of didn't have any carryover from 20 or previous

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years CBT quota so we have 662 units allocated. We're projecting no change between you know this year

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and next year our allocation this year was 0.8 on average is 0.7 and an allocation is basically

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what percent of your total units you're going to get. So in this case 662 units our allocation was 80

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percent. So we got 529.6 units. It's kind of counterintuitive. During dry years, you actually get

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more water from CBT. CBT is used as a supplemental source of water. It is not meant to be a primary

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source. We've actually been capped by purchasing CBT until we can show that we have another source of

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water at the tap and that's verbatim language at the tap that we can use to offset any purchase of CBT.

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We're slowly but surely working towards that.

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We've purchased Windigap in the past.

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We're working on getting the RO system.

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Well, we have the RO system up and running,

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but expansions built into that RO system

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where you can add another skid.

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And I'll get to that a little later in this presentation.

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But Windigap did not pump this year.

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It's during years where CVTs heavily used.

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It's not going to pump.

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So, during years where it's a wetter, you're going to have more pumping and more availability.

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But when the gap did not pump this year, we kind of bought it after that's the start of the that water year.

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So, we'll have that available to next year as you'll see in the right hand column there.

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So, total supply for this water year, 2025 to 2026, that's concluding here shortly, it's 529.6.

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And then you'll see below that are water demand and you'll see that those numbers are an acre feet.

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So you'll see November and the unhighlated numbers, those are actual numbers.

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So that's actual numbers that we have. Those aren't estimates. The ones in yellow are projections based off of historic leaves.

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So you'll see, you know, throughout the year, you can see peaking in the hotter months of the year.

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That's why a lot of more people are using irrigation.

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So this year was quite eye for 41 acre feet in July.

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August is actually the highest water use month.

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So I'm sure once that becomes an actual,

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it's probably gonna be around that 41 acre feet,

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maybe a little higher, just a little drier this year.

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So in total, 296.5 acre feet was used

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of that 529.6.

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And we actually counsel approved the lease to Lairn Merwell's irrigation district for 100 acre feet of CBT.

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So that brings our total use of all of our supplies to 396.5 acre feet.

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So that leaves us with 133.1 acre feet of excess, so just water we're not using this year.

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So what we're proposing to do is actually take that 133.1 acre feet kind of going so if you look to the right hand column there that water year 2026 to 27.

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We're looking at taking that 133.1 acre feet, move it over to next year as carryover and that reduces our allotment by 10%.

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percent. So it actually shrinks it that carry over. That's just kind of a penalty of carrying

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this year's water to next year so that you can use it. So we would have 119.8 acre feet of water

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from this year to use right off the bat next year. So then again, same thing. Unit's own 662 units

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of CBT. We're taking a estimate, a conservative estimate based on previous allocations that we're

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we're going to have a 70% quota next year.

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If it's another dry year, it could be another 80%.

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And that means we get more water,

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and we have more excess water to potentially lease

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or carry over.

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It could be less, but unlikely, it'll be less.

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It's just historically it's been 70%.

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I think the last time they got to 50% was 2002.

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So I mean, we could estimate per 50% year.

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I just don't you just don't feel that's an appropriate number to put in there. So based off of a 70% quota and the carry over and the carry over we would have or sorry just based off that 70% quota we'd have 463.4 acre feet instead of that 529.6

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that you're prior. So then when you gap, we would have when you gap the next year and when you

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gap special because it can be used to extinction and what that means is you can use it over and over

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and over. So the way that we're set up is we would use it once and then we'd use it at the whisper

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or trim the plant as effluent. We would claim that credit to be to offset our use of box solder.

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And I'll get to box solder a little later but that's important because that's what we're not having

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to pump from Laramie Fox Hills to offset Boxel.

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So in the future, if there's a non-portable system

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in the future somewhere, this water could be reused

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as non-pot too.

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So it gives a lot of more opportunities for the talent

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in the future, having one to gap.

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So total supply, all things considered,

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We're estimating 583.2 acre feet of water next year, which is up from 529.6 this year.

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So then we have a column of projections based on historical averages.

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So we estimate that the 285.6 acre feet is what we would have for this next water use

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We wouldn't have a lease built into it to Larimer and Weld County irrigation district.

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But we do have an assumption that the prison would come back online with 1250 people max.

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Now that's the maximum.

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Will they fill up with 1250 people?

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I would venture guests probably.

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there's one block that is actually a special unit that isn't like doesn't have

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general population mobility. It's for like higher security people and I don't

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think they're going to fill that block, but I could be wrong. So we're

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estimating for a full 1250 people to be at this facility. So that's 230 acre feet.

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So you add the 285.6 acre feet that we're projecting the rest of the town to use

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With it's 130 acre feet that we're projecting that 1250 people use at the the facility

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It brings our total to 515.6 acre feet of of use for 20 this next year. And we have an excess of 67.6 acre feet

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Afterwards, now you'll notice that this is just northern water spots that that one also has

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versus water treatment plant that hasn't even been talked about.

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So the town has 100 acre feet of box elder water in addition to this 67.6 that we're projecting

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for next year for northern water supplies. And there's several capital improvements that the

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town can make to actually further increase the supplies that we make here that are non-nordered supplies.

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I'll just list a few. They're also in your water supply master plan to really quick. Are there any questions on the northern front here?

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I tried to investigate this because there's only a couple of people that were around back then, but so when that prison was originally built, it was they were going to build out to 1250 beds.

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But they had plans and I believe approved to do a add-on, basically, double in the capacity

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of the prison.

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The one thing that no one can remember that I've talked to is the water that they've

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dedicated is that just for the full 50 or is that to expand it out more.

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CUP for that second, that add-on or whatever, that CUP died within a year.

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No, it did die and they never did any kind of additional water dedication for that additional

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CUP.

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They'd have to go back through a process to ask you all.

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So our land use code doesn't allow additional correctional facilities so that would have to

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be a whole code amendment, then they have to come back and ask you again, yeah, just

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the one. Yep. Any other questions on the northern, northern supplies, and then I'll kind

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of get into the box older. Yeah, I'm just curious what our allocation would have to be to

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put us into a deficit. Sorry, what was that? What would the allocation have to be to put

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that's an actual deficit, like 0.4, 0.5, 0.5.

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Yeah, and that's extremely unlikely.

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I'm assuming. Right.

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Yeah, and that's why we ran that scenarios.

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Like, what's the worst case scenario?

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0.5 would be like 67 acre feet in the negative.

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This is just kind of what we're running.

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And if Northern water did something like that.

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I'm telling you right now, like they'd get the communities come into their annual meeting with pitchforks.

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Oh, yeah.

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Like they they they kind of threatened to do a point six and they got major blowback and they were like okay point seven

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Yeah, so points point six for breaking even just have northern supplies

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So like we we just scrape by by just using northern supplies. I might be getting a little off subject here

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But I'm just curious is how do they determine that allocation right so it goes under that. It's no pack. It's no bad

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So they have a lot of snowpack in on the mountains. They have scientists that work for northern and they're bored ultimately decides

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based on a recommendation brought forward by Northern staff that have a lot of

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a lot of technical experts at and Northern that monitor that stuff so they

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they you know they bring that recommendation but it's ultimately a board

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decision Northern Northern Water Conservancy Board. I would say it's it's think of it

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as an opposite day so on years where we have where it's it's really

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It's almost about our, if our round water supplies are, are, are good, and, and, and snow pack is, is like, good, they're like, you're good. So we're not going to, we're not going to worry about what's going on up here as much. So you're good, we're going to give you less. And it's like, what, what, what do you mean? You're going to give us less. So it's kind of like opposite day. You think, oh, you're doing good up in the mountains, you're going to give us more water.

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and it's not it's not always intuitive that way so just just just keep that in

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mind when you're like oh you got a lot of snow up there we're going to get a

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lot of water that's that's really not not not necessarily how it works because

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they're like oh when we've got a lot of water up here you guys are doing good

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down there so you're good they just assumed that the groundwater is increased as

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well yeah exactly and I heard from Northern staff that they probably could have

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justified a higher quota this year just with how dry it was but they're being

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conservative that they don't want to, you know, give more this year and then next year we have

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a really, you know, another dry, dry year. So that point eight is a conservative from them even.

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So what happens if we use more than what's projected? What was it called? And do we fix these

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microphones? That's really loud.

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Yeah, yeah, you can hear yourself think now. So if we use,

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we use more, we can't, we can't, from north or in unless we, you know, lease

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other supplies. So there are, you know, depending on your portfolio makeup, you

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could go to another entity and say, do you have access CBT or Wendy gap this

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year? Otherwise, for us, it's leaning more into our

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reveal well use. So our box alder water, we just pump more box alder water.

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Yeah, they would, they only send you what you'll, what you can, what is yours?

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So it comes from Fort Lofton or Fort Lofton crew kind of knows what to send for Lofton and us. So it's a lot of paperwork's exchanged and there's a lot of conversations way we have it dialed in right now is we're pulling as much of our CBT

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and Northern supplies to get to a maximum of 500,000 gallons per day at the Fort

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Lofton plant because that's what we own at the Fort Lofton plant. So we're

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maxing that out first and then we would go to supplementing with our RO which

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feel like the numbers were not like we're not even close to like running the RO

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at full capacity. Right now the RO's run to just keep the membranes wet and keep

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the infrastructure and lights working for a day when we have to but but it's it'd be creative

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if you're trying to use northern supplies there's neighbors that have supplies that they could

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potentially lease just like we did with Limer and wealth irrigation district this year

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maybe next year they have supplies that we could lease so just being in that system allows us a little

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more flexibility for using our groundwater supplies and we do monthly accounting so we literally

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have to crunch numbers for them on a monthly basis and send them to somebody over it at CBWF.

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I did

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notice that projections for 2026, 2027 year are all lower than

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essentially what we did this year. Are we making an assumption that we'll get better snow?

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Yeah, I think the assumptions just kind of going back to the average just like that 0.7 reducing back to kind of an average year, that's kind of the the assumption there.

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But if we have a drier year, you can expect those numbers down below the increase and you can, you know, it.

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in tandem, hopefully expect Northern quota.

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It's also increased to that point eight.

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My understanding is they could sustain a point eight

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or 80% quota for two years

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before they start to get a little tough.

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So I mean, if we have another really dry year,

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I don't I guess hopefully Northern would be willing

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to do a point eight or maybe a point seven five

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or something of that nature.

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but they, yeah, they couldn't sustain that long-term doing point-aids like

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something would have to be figured out. But their experts are there. They've got a

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lot of, a lot of really smart people working for Notre-Dame.

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We're at Grand Junction a couple weeks ago. I've never seen the Polar River that low.

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I don't even think I think there are some dry spots in some areas. I really do.

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I don't even know how I was begging it through Utah.

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Planner colleagues in Arizona and very close to the Phoenix area and they're,

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they're all kind of like biting their fingernails going. I don't know what we're going to do.

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Their first problem is the binaris. I mean I'm not going to go there but you know what I mean

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I mean they're more worried about how they're going to plan for their communities in the future

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but I won't go there you know. Some positive news on the upper basin we're part of the upper

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basin states and the federal government intervened and actually you know kind of kind of

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the tolls, California, and kind of those lower basin states,

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so California, Nevada, and Arizona,

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that they were using too much water.

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So it's kind of a huge win for a supper basin states,

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Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, I think it's upper basin.

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So pretty important there, but my understanding is the battle's

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not done on that.

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That front either more negotiating to happen

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between the states.

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But and this one is supposed to be a weird one. I mean, maybe a good, weird one, but who knows?

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It's supposed to be wet. So I don't know what that means, but that could be a good thing. Yeah.

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So if there's no other questions on the Northern supplies, I can get into the, the, the box,

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alder, and army, box, cell supplies that we, we have that we haven't even touched on. So this is,

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This is all, all the North Indian supplies is assuming just that's all we're using to supply existing development and that's in correctional facility.

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So that's, that's that. So the town also has a reverse osmosis water treatment plant that treats box elder.

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The thing with box elder though is as you use a gallon of box elder, you need to have a gallon of return flows.

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So what we do is we use Box Elder at our RO treatment plant and we augment or we return water that's Laramie Fox Hills and soon we'll be windy gap.

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So that's windy gap also helps us not utilize our Laramie Fox Hills that's on a hundred year lifespan.

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So, wind gaps and perpetuity in theory so that we'll be able to re-use multiple times for augmentation, where we fox hills is a finite source, so you get it for 100 years.

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So, that's important. Our our our treatment plant is can treat up to 150 acre feet of water, but for being, you know, having conservative estimates for what we'll get into the math equation later is I'm just going to say 100 acre feet.

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So that's 100 acre feet that we can treat currently and based on our projections here from

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our northern supplies don't necessarily need it but we do need to keep the RO up and running,

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keep the membranes wet, if the membranes dry out then it's a $50,000 repair so we do kind of treat it

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and make sure that the system's running as it should. So then other capital improvements that we could

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do to add more water would be to, you know, put well number four, thermifoxyl is well number four,

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that's out by the prison, or sorry, out by being assessed logistics center. So you see the big

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Hudson tank there. There's a well that's already plumbed into the tank, the booster pump station there,

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currently getting labs back from CDPHE to see if we can get that back online in theory. So that's

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40 acre feet that's already drilled well,

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it's already pumped in there,

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it just hasn't been utilized.

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So we're waiting tests from CDPHE.

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I'm not sure when it was mothballed,

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but we're under much more stringent regulations

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these days than back then.

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So 40 acre feet from well number four.

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And then we have 97 acre feet of when we fox hills

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near the sparbo tank that came from the sand hills

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entitlement from when the prison was was annexed.

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So that's another another 97 acre feet of Laramie fox hills the well is not drilled there

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But the the town in theory as that entitlement that could be used

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And then

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We could also add another skid at our existing reverse osmosis treatment plant. It's set up for two skids

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we currently have one and

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We could add another skid for approximately 1.1 to 1.5 million if demands get there

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but as you can see with our older and supplies and our existing RO in a large room plant

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might not be necessary and just something to plan for in the future as development occurs and

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as that need occurs. So in total taking the conservative estimate on what we can actually treat

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our RO system, we have 337 acre feet of excess water that we could grow into with those capital

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improvements that I mentioned so getting that laryme fox hills well number four online drilling

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and laryme fox hills by the prison sparble tank not for 97 acre feet and then adding the 100 acre

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foot skid to our oral point so 337 acre feet. So then we'll get into data centers and I'll admit I

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used a data center a little bit for some of my research use chat GPT to kind of get some of the

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information. So I'm not an expert on data centers. I think you'll have an expert that can kind

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of qualify some of what I'm giving you. Next meeting, I think you'll have someone that's actively

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permitting a data center in World County come talk to you. But just rough numbers. Air

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cool data centers could use approximately 10,000 gallons per day. That's kind of the lesser

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intensive data centers that I've seen or heard. And then the more intensive

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users could be 100,000 gallons per day more. So it really depends on how it's

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designed. Some they're getting a little saffier with data centers where they're

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recirculating water. It's not a pass-through. I think they're, you know, as technology

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develops, they find ways to make things a little more efficient and practical and

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accepted. So for planning assumptions we'll say that per megawatt a data center uses 22 to 34 acre

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feet of water per year. So you take the average 28 acre feet of water per megawatt. There was a

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750 megawatt data center that was proposed supposedly around Hudson. We don't have any confirmation that

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that was ever a legitimate plan,

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but it was posted publicly on a website

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and kind of stirred things on Facebook.

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750 megawatts is huge for reference

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the global AI data center that's proposed

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and well, the county between Greeley and Windsor's,

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the first phase is proposed to be 27.5 megawatts.

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So 750 megawatts is massive,

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and it would actually require 21,000 acre feet of water

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per year.

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We don't have 21,000.

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and I don't think we'd be able to get 21, so yeah.

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So for an alternative comparison,

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so if you're taking that 28 acre feet of water

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and you're applying it to the global AI data center

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that's proposed in a weld county between Windsor and Greeley,

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and now admittedly, I don't know how much water they're gonna use.

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I'm just taking the average,

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so that's something that you can find out next meeting

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when you talk to the gentleman permitting it.

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but if you just take the average, 27.5 megawatts times that 28 acre feet, that's 770 acre-feet per year.

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That's probably a little more reasonable for the city's like Windsor and Greeley to be able to supply.

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That's a little, that's outside of our reach.

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If we were tasked with finding water, I'm sure we could find the water,

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but I don't think it's the highest priority of the planning commission in town council to find a data center that uses this much water,

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I know some communities require the developer to bring the water in, and so that would be the obvious caveat here. If you want to build here, you bring the water.

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Absolutely. Good point. Yeah, and our 337 acre feet supplies are cash and loop and the way our ordinance is written is the town decide town council would decide to accept your cash and loop.

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or if they would require you to go get your own water.

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So if there was something that was summer

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and some of the acre feet was serious in Hudson,

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you guys wanted to consider it,

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it's probably something where maybe you supply some of it

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or maybe you require all of them to get all of the water

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that they need.

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So a good point, good, yeah.

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So taking our 337 acre feet that we have

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an excess theory with our capital improvements, we could support 12.03 megawatt data center with

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our supplies right now, but that would tap us out. Not saying we don't have a data center

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proposed here, but just for illustrative purposes there's one that's proposed in

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wealth county between Windsor and Greeley for 27.5 megawatts. We right now couldn't support that

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with their cash and they'd have to go out and purchase that water and bring it to the time.

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So that's that's that's that. And for acre like purposes of acreage acre foot,

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it's a 325, 851 gallons. If you're looking for that that number and acre foot is just the measurement

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sorry, should have said that before measurement of of a large quantities of water. So it's literally

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how much water covers one acre of land.

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So that's kind of what that is.

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So any questions on kind of the non-northern supplies

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and what that might mean for the data center?

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I didn't see any discussion in here about adding any kind of storage. Is Hudson looking at the possibility of adding storage somewhere, maybe upriver or something? I know some of the gravel companies dug a lot of pits up there and they blind those pits and they're selling storage or leasing storage to communities.

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Yeah, I think he's more talking in terms like reservoirs to store it before he comes here. Correct. Correct. So that when you have those big water years, which will come back, we will have

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have big water years, you have the potential to store some water for the future.

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Yeah, that's a great point. To be honest, really, I haven't put, like, our team hasn't

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put too much thought into storage, just because we've been optimized, like, trying to optimize

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things in town. But longer term, it's certainly something that the talent should explore is

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storage for those, those years where maybe we don't want to carry over and have shrinkage.

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Maybe we'd want to divert our CBT to sit in this reservoir and we take 100 percent

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or what have you, or we don't want to lease it to a layer of layer

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in the world's irrigation district.

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We want to just take in and have it sit there.

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That's something to definitely consider in the future.

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But as far as storage in town, like those tanks after treatment,

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yeah, there's a lot of storage here.

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Back too much, we actually need to use more.

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So it's not sitting there.

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We have a million at Memorial Park.

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We've got almost three million in storage almost just about three million in storage.

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The towers are almost like I want to say just under 300,000.

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There's not a lot there.

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It's like 90,000, like 97,000.

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Yeah.

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They're small amount of storage.

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No, you could use it for non-cultible in the future.

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If that's something that town wants to consider,

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I think as growth happens on the old pressure zone.

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So there's two pressure zones in town.

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One is kind of BNSF and North up to the prison.

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So that tank that's there serves BNSF and the prison

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and growth north of I-76.

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The old pressure zone, you know, I'll call it is Memorial Park and that's everything that's over here.

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So there'll be a day where eventually so much growth happens here.

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And we're actually concluding our water master plan that hopefully gets around through planning commission and town council soon.

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But there will be a day where too much growth has happened here that we need to get more creative with either adding another booster pump station somewhere strategically here.

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or divert those peak use months.

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And that could be, you know, as you see here,

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you can see, you know, it's not consistently 13.9 acre feet

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from January to August, right?

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So you see those peaking months?

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How can we divert the peak?

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How can we, you know, supplement the peak without building it out

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so that we're having to provide it 41 acre feet a month?

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Well, you can maybe use the towers

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to supplement for a purple pipe system on pot and get some of the heavy water users like

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the school, the town, and the library maybe on this system. So something to think about in future

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too as we drill. One thing I would add Sean to your comment is to it's going to be about the sources.

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Right. If someone came to us with the source that had an opportunity for a supply. So you know

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a lot of people on the South Platte had those opportunities for supply and storage.

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We're not close enough to the South Platte, right?

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But if we had a well opportunity that was compatible with our system and our supplies,

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that might be a good opportunity.

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So as I always say, it's about having a square peg and a square hole.

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So if we find that opportunity, we would go for it.

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So one of those opportunities in our supply plan is lost creek, right?

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And that's one of those options where we might have the storage capabilities, but there's

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wells, there's pipes, there's other things out there.

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So it might not be storage, but it might be the supply lines coming.

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So I mean, there's other opportunities out there that we're looking at from an infrastructure

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perspective that might go with some of these square pegs and the square holes.

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I understand.

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I understand.

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Yeah.

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If my math is correct, 3 million gallons of storage equates to less than 10 acre feet

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of water, which is a drop in the bucket compared to your annual consumption.

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And it's not going to last us forever.

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It's a good question.

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Question I had on the numbers, who are the users in these statistics?

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Is it just here in town, is there any agriculture involved with this or anything?

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Where does numbers come from?

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These numbers just come from our existing utility customers and our existing users, so there are some that are like that are not in town, like they're not in the corporate limits, but I don't know that I would categorize them as necessarily

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the AG users just, I don't know.

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I don't think we have any.

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I don't think we have any.

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The tree, yeah, we have the tree farm.

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The tree farm's the only, like, AG use

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that I would equate to being on our system.

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No.

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They were tied in and it was for emergency purposes only

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and they claim that they don't need our water.

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So did it only been in 2018, one year.

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So, as far as ag users, it's relating, it's really the tree farm that's out on 43, 43, 43.

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For the cemetery.

424
00:35:59,140 --> 00:36:01,740
I'm trying to think, is there anybody else in the Zodys?

425
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:02,100
No.

426
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,080
I don't think anybody else is.

427
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:08,100
Yeah.

428
00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:10,680
Out of towners.

429
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,940
We do feel like this house right here is out of town technically.

430
00:36:18,540 --> 00:36:19,100
I mean,

431
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:27,870
Daniel, they're right there, that out of town property right there is on, but

432
00:36:27,870 --> 00:36:32,390
there's a couple on the other side of town too that are out, but I can't think of any

433
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:35,190
more that are farm, farming farms that are okay

434
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:38,940
there,

435
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:49,100
and I think I just, yeah, I think

436
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:53,760
I think Commissioner Hawaiian brought up good point is we have a cash from Lou policy to

437
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,740
make things easier for development, they just write a check and you know, they're for

438
00:36:58,740 --> 00:37:03,500
out of state they don't understand how Colorado water rules works they just write a check and it works

439
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:10,900
and then you have more complicated larger users that maybe are cash from the policy doesn't work for

440
00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:16,160
and maybe that's a data center and maybe you're asking a proposed data center to go find supplies to

441
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:21,800
support their large domain. I think if you got an out-of-state user who doesn't understand how

442
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,060
call about a lot of alerts, it's time for them to learn.

443
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,080
Yeah, they they learned real quick when it's like, yeah, no,

444
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:34,340
you don't understand when when they get the price, they learned

445
00:37:34,340 --> 00:37:34,900
real quick.

446
00:37:35,220 --> 00:37:39,800
Some of that cash in lieu and has had an extra was to help the

447
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,080
small developers, you know, building one house or something where

448
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,580
hey, we'll help you out, you know, just as a check for this, we

449
00:37:47,580 --> 00:37:52,340
got the water good to go. Not some big company that.

450
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,420
Oh, yeah, it's not meant to, to totally

451
00:37:59,420 --> 00:38:03,400
deplete our commerce, right? If somebody was going to do that, it's going to be like, no,

452
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:11,700
you go find it. Within the processes, that decision mood. So it depends on water, you know, water,

453
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,900
water demands. I think it's S I A is probably good. It depends. It's like subdivision. It'll be

454
00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:21,100
done at final plot. We typically will negotiate at final plot. If it's a big like a residential

455
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:29,020
This was a little bit different, but the newer one, the newer one, the newer one was all the direct.

456
00:38:30,220 --> 00:38:41,300
That is kind of true. But like, you know, had and that was all kind of, they were, they were done at site plan because they kind of went straight, site plan, a building permit.

457
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:53,960
So like, you know, non residential is going to be kind of at a different time building permit type plan versus residential is going to typically be negotiated like price at SA or final plot.

458
00:38:54,680 --> 00:39:05,080
But we will typically like like if they're going to they're going to be a really heavy user that's going to be kind of a different level conversation where it's going to be like we're going to need you to dedicate or.

459
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:11,480
or so it'll be heavily dependent on how much.

460
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,060
That's what I think the town in my view

461
00:39:15,060 --> 00:39:17,980
is best suited offering cash and move where it can.

462
00:39:18,740 --> 00:39:20,020
Because as I've mentioned

463
00:39:20,020 --> 00:39:22,080
and it's been the biggest barrier

464
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,880
and I think we finally came out,

465
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,580
saw eye with the order and is we are capped at CBT.

466
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,820
So like CBT exists on the open market

467
00:39:29,820 --> 00:39:31,100
and you can go buy CBT.

468
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:37,680
It's like $65,000 or $65,000, I think, for a unit of CBT.

469
00:39:38,180 --> 00:39:44,900
We're barred from buying that because we don't have a $50,50 ratio of CBT to other supplies.

470
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,740
So that's why we went out and purchased Windigab.

471
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,480
That's why we've gotten our own plant online.

472
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:58,110
The goal is hopefully, eventually, we are at a $50,50 ratio with supplies to CBT because

473
00:39:58,110 --> 00:40:03,490
that opens the opportunity to go purchase CBT or have someone else go purchase CBT and come

474
00:40:03,490 --> 00:40:07,450
dedicated to us. So yeah,

475
00:40:11,540 --> 00:40:16,060
yeah. They exist in like smaller quantities I think like

476
00:40:16,060 --> 00:40:22,920
like I think farms sell I think a lot of it's being there was an auction not too long ago I mean

477
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:32,080
so basically it's been very stable and I think a lot of a lot of people are in the same boat where

478
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:43,340
The Bureau of Reclamation will receive Northern as basically institute this policy of like unless you have other supplies to offset CBT your barred from purchasing it and using it.

479
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,740
It's supposed to be a supplemental supply.

480
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,920
What's difficult is when you go to Northern and you explain what you're using it for.

481
00:40:51,920 --> 00:41:03,220
they get cagey about it. And so that transfer and inclusion process they're

482
00:41:03,220 --> 00:41:08,520
extremely touchy nowadays. It's not as easy as it used to be. So that's the

483
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:16,980
process that they're very, very critical with nowadays. And so unless you know

484
00:41:16,980 --> 00:41:20,480
what you're using it for how much exactly you're using, you can't just go in

485
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,260
and nowadays and be like, I want to be included

486
00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:24,880
in your district, they will read you 20 questions,

487
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,080
they will, I mean, so nowadays when we annex the property,

488
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,180
it's not automatic, go and get included.

489
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,260
It's we're gonna have to wait until you have a development plan

490
00:41:34,260 --> 00:41:36,180
and you know exactly what you're using the water

491
00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:38,540
for and everything before you're gonna go for inclusion.

492
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,860
So it's a whole other process nowadays.

493
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,660
And I, another recommendation is continue to grow

494
00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:55,500
the customer base because the 230 acre feet of use next year it's a large part of our portfolio

495
00:41:55,500 --> 00:42:02,120
and when you have one large user that can come offline for 10 years and then come back online for

496
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:08,740
five it really really messes with rates and things like that for existing customers so the more

497
00:42:08,740 --> 00:42:14,840
diversification the broader that your base of utility pairs can be the more stable we can make

498
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:23,000
rates for those years that the facilities may be closed, so I mean it goes with data centers.

499
00:42:23,180 --> 00:42:27,680
You don't want a seven-hour acre foot data center and you know that's going to be the largest

500
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:33,560
you know over half of your user base because it's going to yeah the verification also becomes

501
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:38,760
a safety issue right like if one of those where to get affected those water supplies where to get

502
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,400
affected. Yes, you'd want a redundant system.

503
00:42:45,450 --> 00:42:49,710
Great. Any other questions? There are always kind of like

504
00:42:49,710 --> 00:42:53,350
talking with you about water. It's kind of been a four year

505
00:42:53,830 --> 00:42:57,070
stand to learn about water. So it's something I think about all

506
00:42:57,070 --> 00:43:00,850
the time. So appreciate me. Let me vendor your about it. So

507
00:43:00,850 --> 00:43:05,230
you think the master plan would be coming soon? Yeah, we are told

508
00:43:05,230 --> 00:43:08,210
by the end of the month we should have a final draft wrapped up and

509
00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:12,730
should be ready to route the planning commission in October, maybe November at the latest.

510
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:17,570
It's going to hope. I made sure to ask the question before we got to this meeting tonight.

511
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:24,510
The Water Master Plan not to be confused with the water supply master plan is water master plan

512
00:43:24,510 --> 00:43:29,270
focuses really on the infrastructure aspects. So pressure zones, storage,

513
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:37,490
when we're in ethics, you know, replace different main lines. So that's really the focus

514
00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:43,230
some more of infrastructure as opposed to the supplies. So it's another very important

515
00:43:43,230 --> 00:43:51,870
plan and yeah, it's been a long time coming. So yeah, there was a thing in the Facebook

516
00:43:51,870 --> 00:43:52,550
cloud.

517
00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:07,110
The way that it is plumbed right now is they can be or they can be interdependent

518
00:44:07,110 --> 00:44:19,650
Uh, the pressure drop might have been, uh, because it, you know, a few years ago, used to have like pressure drops for several minutes. Now, it should just be a quick, you know, this because it's going from.

519
00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:23,790
Uh, main line like United power to a generator.

520
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:33,430
And it takes just a little bit of time to get, you know, get that generator kicked on. It's kind of like a balloon as soon as that power is not there and I notice a little bit of a blip.

521
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:40,570
But it shouldn't be substantial where you're losing pressure completely for pretty good time.

522
00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:42,330
It is.

523
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:50,190
So that's the importance of having those generators who also have other generators budgeted for for next year.

524
00:44:50,190 --> 00:44:57,790
the odds and hills. Lift station is one and then the alluvial well pump stations

525
00:44:57,790 --> 00:44:59,710
is also proposed to have generators.

526
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:16,100
All just for that for guns. You know, power's been better, but there has been times where we're showing the way sort of true plan things just kind of get a little weirder with oil and gas kicking on kicking off kind of since the power certainly so. Yeah.

527
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:29,680
No, there's a there's a pump, but there's not a generator. No. Right, that little shack between 76 and yeah.

528
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,120
to ask to have a generator installed.

529
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,620
It does not have a generator at the moment.

530
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:45,920
Correct. Yep. You know, and as we get, you know, as we utilize the RO more heavily,

531
00:45:46,220 --> 00:45:49,540
that we're done to see at the pump station is going to be important to your point.

532
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:55,300
It just hasn't been a super high a priority for us because as I mentioned, we're really just running

533
00:45:55,300 --> 00:46:01,380
the RO to keep the membranes wet and the system working. So it just hasn't been worth the $60,000

534
00:46:01,380 --> 00:46:10,040
and investment this bar. Up to 5% but it varies. Like you'll have shut-offs, go in Northern,

535
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,780
shuts the Southern water supply pipeline off completely for this.

536
00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:21,480
On average, average about 5%.

537
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:51,910
Yeah, we're working on estimates for the 97 acre feet under the prison entitlement that we have from the sandals annexation there.

538
00:46:52,770 --> 00:47:00,830
So we're working on estimates for that and also an augmentation bond down on 44 and 45 for LFH.

539
00:47:00,830 --> 00:47:05,710
So to be your TBD on the actual cost on on the well and.

540
00:47:14,770 --> 00:47:17,710
So my recommendation is not to pay for it.

541
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:21,530
We don't we don't need it, but if development needs it,

542
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:22,770
development should pay for it.

543
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:25,970
It's kind of kind of the approach that I would take.

544
00:47:26,730 --> 00:47:30,190
I was just more giving theoretical ways of how the talent could

545
00:47:30,190 --> 00:47:32,530
would in theory support development,

546
00:47:32,750 --> 00:47:33,990
but the town doesn't have to.

547
00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:36,130
Kind of the official alliance point is,

548
00:47:36,330 --> 00:47:40,270
we can require development to bring in water to support itself.

549
00:47:41,070 --> 00:47:44,170
That's just, if we want to offer cash from Lou,

550
00:47:44,330 --> 00:47:46,730
we could in theory up to 337 acre feet,

551
00:47:47,010 --> 00:47:48,730
with just the low annual fruit that we,

552
00:47:49,290 --> 00:47:51,770
we know straight right before us, but.

553
00:47:52,810 --> 00:47:53,790
Does that kind of make sense?

554
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:55,170
Is that it?

555
00:47:55,170 --> 00:47:55,230
Yeah.

556
00:47:55,790 --> 00:47:57,990
So that would be very, very good for the net product.

557
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:08,840
Yeah,

558
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:23,640
so the the growth could be a theory accommodated with up to 337 acre feet. There's other opportunities that the town could explore last week being one of them.

559
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:31,020
You could also continue to look into northern supplies as they become accessible.

560
00:48:31,860 --> 00:48:37,420
the goal is to get that 50-50 at the tap on paper blend so that we could maybe

561
00:48:37,420 --> 00:48:41,920
pursue CBT in the future or maybe there's another share of windy gap that

562
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,880
the town wants to purchase in the future but I think the snapshot and time I

563
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,640
think what this says is just on northern supplies alone and what we have with our

564
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:56,420
RO treatment plant that we can sustain when we have and that's in correctional

565
00:48:56,420 --> 00:49:02,180
facility and still have a path forward to support some level of growth, whether it's a 700, I don't

566
00:49:02,180 --> 00:49:10,020
think it's a 700 acre foot, you know, data center, but it's a potentially a 337 acre feet of

567
00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:14,440
development of the developer wants to partner with some of the needed capital improvements.

568
00:49:15,860 --> 00:49:20,600
It's essentially, I think town code requires an acre of foot per resident, so it's essentially

569
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:26,160
337 additional houses, which would essentially double the side of this town if not tripled.

570
00:49:27,660 --> 00:49:35,940
330. I believe we'd do a half acre foot per house, SFE. So that would actually be 600 and seven

571
00:49:36,970 --> 00:49:39,900
houses in theory that the town could support.

572
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,720
Any estimates or projections of what

573
00:50:04,580 --> 00:50:16,740
I mean, they're looking at vents when you got thousands and thousands of people there that's a load not only on I wouldn't say a big load on the water, but it's me big, big hit on our waste water treatment.

574
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:12,200
Yeah, now maybe maybe the end of the year, like hopefully we get a site plan to review.

575
00:51:24,070 --> 00:51:29,910
Well, hope it continued, you know, hopefully they can get something in by the end of the year.

576
00:51:55,170 --> 00:51:58,190
or we probably should talk on Mike's as it's being recorded.

577
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,040
Talking to the Mike's as it's recorded but in talking to the Mike, sorry.

578
00:52:14,060 --> 00:52:15,820
Thank you, Don. I appreciate it.

579
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:24,780
Actually here and like hear myself and you know, like I can talk,

580
00:52:25,860 --> 00:52:29,160
appreciate that. Any other questions for Bryce?

581
00:52:31,850 --> 00:52:35,110
All right, well thanks again. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Appreciate it.

582
00:52:37,260 --> 00:52:38,720
We're actually having a conversation.

583
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:40,540
It's nice discussion.

584
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:45,480
Discussion items.

585
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:48,080
Remember planning commission meeting also veterans day.

586
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:49,500
Wait, hold on real quick.

587
00:52:49,740 --> 00:52:50,780
I want to give you an update.

588
00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:53,520
So next time, so Bryce kind of alluded to this,

589
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:54,960
like you'll hear about somebody who's

590
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:55,820
permitting a data center.

591
00:52:55,980 --> 00:52:58,500
So David Eisenbron, the planning director

592
00:52:58,500 --> 00:52:59,940
for Weld County is going to come.

593
00:53:00,380 --> 00:53:02,580
And I was like, oh, you're going to get to give us a two first.

594
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:03,960
So the reason why you couldn't be here tonight

595
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,280
is because he has a planning committee.

596
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,720
He had a planning commission meeting today.

597
00:53:07,260 --> 00:53:11,880
And it included the data center that he's permitting that's

598
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,020
right adjacent to Windsor that apparently is a real fun one.

599
00:53:15,180 --> 00:53:17,760
Don't ask me to define the word fun in this particular case.

600
00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:21,500
But he should be able to give us an update on that,

601
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,860
that case because it should be going to the Board of County commissioners.

602
00:53:26,060 --> 00:53:29,700
Yeah, within the meantime, if they haven't postponed it or,

603
00:53:29,780 --> 00:53:32,460
or continued it or whatever the proper word for,

604
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:33,660
for what they do is.

605
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:41,340
because I also heard Windsor and Greeley are also talking about this particular data center as well at their own public hearings.

606
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:43,420
So that is what I heard on the news as well.

607
00:53:44,380 --> 00:53:54,960
So we should be able to kind of pick his brain on those applications, but the county also went through their own moratorium on data centers last year and then did their own code update on data centers as well.

608
00:53:54,960 --> 00:54:03,720
So we'll be able to talk to him kind of on both sides of that issue, both permitting and on kind of their code updates on data centers in the county.

609
00:54:04,820 --> 00:54:06,440
So he'll be at our next meeting in October.

610
00:54:07,060 --> 00:54:09,800
So I'm sorry, I mean to steal your thunder, but go on to the next item.

611
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,260
Daniel, sorry, I apologize.

612
00:54:11,660 --> 00:54:17,900
I don't have any thunder to steal. So yeah, so that discussion item.

613
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,300
Next meeting falls on Veterans Day.

614
00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:48,760
We don't have any cases per se, but just in case we do, you know, we've got customers that if we do have a case that pops up, we just wanted to discuss with you if you might be available on the 12th or is the 10th or the 12th to the day before the day after I'd like to say we could do it the week before the week after, but we'd be kicking council out.

615
00:54:48,760 --> 00:55:07,320
We got two council members. We can't talk like that here. I'm just kidding. We couldn't we couldn't do it the week before the week after because we have standing meetings of those Wednesday. So I don't know if if your schedules would permit that, but I just I wanted to check in with you before we even talked about canceling the meeting on in November.

616
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:15,260
So, if it can't happen, that is something that we could talk to applicants about rescheduling.

617
00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:19,200
Is staff off on that day? Veterans day? Veterans day, yeah. We are close.

618
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,120
I said we don't have it. It would be my proposal, plan it for Tuesday.

619
00:55:23,340 --> 00:55:27,200
And if you don't have anything on the agenda, just wave it and go on in December.

620
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,900
And just cancel it. Okay.

621
00:55:28,900 --> 00:55:36,780
Okay, so we can do that if you all think you could be available on Tuesday, November

622
00:55:36,780 --> 00:55:37,220
10.

623
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,500
It would have to be posted, but only if we had a case.

624
00:55:44,060 --> 00:55:49,620
So we would only post it publicly and the

625
00:55:54,290 --> 00:55:57,750
requirement is 24 hours, but it could be posted

626
00:55:57,750 --> 00:56:00,410
the Friday before just like any other, yeah.

627
00:56:00,570 --> 00:56:02,610
But keep in mind if we had a case,

628
00:56:02,970 --> 00:56:06,070
we would be noticing two weeks in advance.

629
00:56:06,590 --> 00:56:10,090
Or if it was a case where we had to do mineral owner interest,

630
00:56:10,090 --> 00:56:12,170
that would be 30 days in advance.

631
00:56:12,550 --> 00:56:16,210
So the notice, the furthest notice in advance

632
00:56:16,210 --> 00:56:18,930
would be whatever 30 days from November 10th would be.

633
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:20,470
I'll kill the kid.

634
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:21,270
Thank you.

635
00:56:21,830 --> 00:56:24,430
So yeah, I mean, schedule it for the 10th.

636
00:56:24,570 --> 00:56:26,770
And if you don't need it, don't use it.

637
00:56:26,770 --> 00:56:36,170
Okay, so that that meeting in October we might be able to tell you if we have anything pending so you guys could kind of know if something was coming down the pipe.

638
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:43,390
Okay, so just wanted to give you guys a heads up and see if that would be okay with you.

639
00:56:44,210 --> 00:56:46,830
Okay, thank you for that. I appreciate it.

640
00:56:47,950 --> 00:56:53,510
And maybe a customer does too. We don't know but they would be appreciative if they needed it.

641
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:57,930
Okay. Thank you. All right.

642
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:05,340
Staff comments.

643
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:07,540
Avery, you got anything?

644
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,260
Nothing here. So disappointed in you.

645
00:57:14,380 --> 00:57:19,080
I don't have anything either. I'm like, if you guys have questions for me.

646
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:29,400
So just a reminder that Daniel and Brandy seats are up this year. So we have those

647
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:34,640
applications available for those two seats available until November 5th.

648
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:40,660
So the town council will review those vote to approve the planning commission candidates

649
00:57:40,660 --> 00:57:47,060
at either the December 2nd or December 16th meetings with official appointments taking

650
00:57:47,060 --> 00:57:48,840
place on January 6th.

651
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:56,560
We do have one application currently that can be reviewed for the open chair if we wanted

652
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:02,660
to consider that. That's something that, you know, we would have to discuss and move forward.

653
00:58:03,380 --> 00:58:08,860
That's all I have. The application for the open chair, if we review that now, will they have

654
00:58:08,860 --> 00:58:14,520
to reapply by November 5th for the next term? No, that's an open, that's Robert's vacancy, so that

655
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:20,560
would go to council for their, like, immediate consideration. I think that should be done. Let's do

656
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:27,900
that next meeting. The next meeting. Okay. You put that on the agenda. And then for our

657
00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:29,260
planning commission vacancy.

658
00:58:32,140 --> 00:58:35,500
And then you said November 5th is the deadline for the other applications

659
00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:40,000
for the current seats that are up. That's correct. Okay.

660
00:58:45,580 --> 00:58:49,480
Sounds good. Any other questions for staff?

661
00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:56,150
Jen, I didn't mean to cut you off, but you were awfully quick to say nothing and then dive into it.

662
00:58:56,150 --> 00:59:00,870
I was like, nope, you're done, I do not have any questions.

663
00:59:01,170 --> 00:59:03,090
Any other members of the commission have questions?

664
00:59:05,980 --> 00:59:07,060
All right, so you know for the questions,

665
00:59:07,220 --> 00:59:11,280
I'll close the or declare the September 9th, 2026 up.

666
00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:16,930
No, fine.

667
00:59:25,330 --> 00:59:27,310
All right, Don, I'll start with you planning commission comments.

668
00:59:28,910 --> 00:59:30,550
Hold on a second, let me see what this is.

669
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,280
Oh, buddy, the trouble you get, that's me too.

670
00:59:42,830 --> 00:59:43,470
Mr. Trackley,

671
00:59:46,850 --> 00:59:47,650
try to get us out of here.

672
00:59:47,650 --> 00:59:48,390
Sir Paul, now.

673
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:52,590
Yep.

674
00:59:54,110 --> 00:59:54,950
Now go down.

675
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:55,070
Go down.

676
01:00:00,020 --> 01:00:01,500
I do not know

677
01:00:03,540 --> 01:00:05,960
what

678
01:00:09,610 --> 01:00:16,010
you got, bud. I've got nothing. Mr. Shackley, any planning questions? Matt?

679
01:00:18,610 --> 01:00:20,310
No. My

680
01:00:22,770 --> 01:00:39,390
comments last question is accessory dwelling units. So, under state statute, communities like Hudson are required to allow accessory dwelling units on residential properties, certain types of properties.

681
01:00:39,390 --> 01:00:50,750
Currently Hudson has a restriction, a limitation on the size of the accessory dwelling unit capped at 1000 square feet of livable space.

682
01:00:51,750 --> 01:01:03,290
The state doesn't require that, the county doesn't require that. I understand that there's a consideration of the total, the total available space on a lot.

683
01:01:03,290 --> 01:01:12,330
But some communities around the area, one in particular is Fort Lepton.

684
01:01:13,070 --> 01:01:20,770
On larger lots allows a larger sized accessory dwelling unit, limited to no larger than the

685
01:01:20,770 --> 01:01:22,970
primary dwelling unit that's on that lot.

686
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:31,110
And I'm proposing that Hudson might look at that and consider whether on a larger lot,

687
01:01:31,110 --> 01:01:38,650
We raised that limit to we could we could put a number on it 1250 square feet instead of a thousand square feet

688
01:01:38,650 --> 01:01:43,890
Or we could say not larger than the primary dwelling unit that's on that site

689
01:01:44,670 --> 01:01:51,430
But I think allowed the property owner a little bit more flexibility in a situation where you're not on a little tiny lot

690
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:55,250
And so I what I did was I gave you our

691
01:01:55,870 --> 01:02:00,490
ADU guide which is like an item when I give you our full code so I gave you our ADU guide which shows

692
01:02:01,110 --> 01:02:03,610
our limitation, so do

693
01:02:08,250 --> 01:02:12,090
the button and point it, everything. So the floor,

694
01:02:13,690 --> 01:02:18,390
do you shall not exceed a thousand square feet gross floor area so that, oh, thank you, Avery.

695
01:02:18,970 --> 01:02:24,470
So that's our code requirement that Sean's referring to. And then I gave you Fort Loftin's

696
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:32,790
requirement, but if you flip to the second page with just 4-6, so Fort Loftin allows BF, it says,

697
01:02:32,790 --> 01:02:51,590
for detached or 80 touch or attached to use. It says when the lot's 40,000 square feet to five acres, it says the 80 you can won't exceed 100% of the of the dwelling unit on the lot. So basically the 80 you can be the same size as the home.

698
01:02:52,030 --> 01:02:58,730
Sean's not proposing that but for left and does allow for much larger lots for there to be a secondary dwelling on the lot.

699
01:02:58,730 --> 01:03:06,690
So just to give you complimentary code requirements and jurisdiction close by for much larger lots.

700
01:03:06,810 --> 01:03:15,890
And they don't do it for every lot type in town just for basically an acre or larger that you can have a larger 80.

701
01:03:16,130 --> 01:03:28,550
So he's just kind of giving you a complimentary code 1200 square feet.

702
01:03:28,550 --> 01:03:35,310
in a very, it's kind of like a tiny compared to kind of when you when you live on a really

703
01:03:35,310 --> 01:03:41,350
large lot. So it's a proposal you guys can consider. Planning commission also can initiate

704
01:03:41,350 --> 01:03:46,090
code amendments. So that's why we're discussing it amongst ourselves before. Yes, sir.

705
01:03:48,300 --> 01:03:48,440
Yeah,

706
01:03:48,580 --> 01:03:54,460
yeah, yeah. Go for it. So another point to that is if you're looking at a manufactured home as an ADU

707
01:03:54,460 --> 01:03:59,240
and you're going to move it in on your property, if you're going to get a thousand square feet or

708
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:05,740
or less what you're getting is a single wide no more than a 16-foot wide manufactured home.

709
01:04:06,460 --> 01:04:15,040
And if you allow a little bit larger living space you can do a double wide which can make

710
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:20,280
it easier to match some of the architectural style to the existing property or home that's

711
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,040
on that property versus a single wide just along two.

712
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:36,140
And I would add that we do allow 80 use up to three bedrooms. That is an option. So it makes for a little janky. You can't, it's harder to get that thousand square feet in the three.

713
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:45,160
So our, our code is a little limiting to get that extra bedroom in there with the thousand square feet.

714
01:04:45,160 --> 01:05:07,080
And I will say having done cottage homes before 1200 square feet is a little bit more into that cottage home standard 1000 square feet is also we've had this 1000 square feet since we've had the 80 you requirement 1200 is not it does allow for

715
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:12,560
that third bedroom, if it is, if that is an allowance that we're, we're allowing in our code,

716
01:05:12,820 --> 01:05:18,300
it would allow for that third bedroom where that thousand square feet is going to, it's going to

717
01:05:18,300 --> 01:05:24,060
create a weird dimension for that third bedroom. Anyways, I'll, I'll just throw that in there, but

718
01:05:25,060 --> 01:05:30,240
talk amongst yourselves. I'll, I'll quit talking. Yeah. Yeah, and I was saying, you know, maybe you

719
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:39,920
pick that $1250, you give them a 25% additional square footage to do that but that's not a magic number either.

720
01:05:43,330 --> 01:05:43,710
Don.

721
01:05:44,270 --> 01:05:44,650
Okay.

722
01:05:44,830 --> 01:05:45,150
Two things.

723
01:05:45,570 --> 01:05:48,670
And you're larger, a lot than Jarvan Mirio, I want to bring up here.

724
01:05:49,490 --> 01:06:00,530
And council has been brought up twice now about allowing more chickens and allowing goats inside the town limits on residents' properties.

725
01:06:00,530 --> 01:06:06,870
So let's put them out there that that might be coming to us at some point it is an election year. So

726
01:06:07,730 --> 01:06:10,770
Some people are throwing those out there to gather votes, but

727
01:06:12,550 --> 01:06:13,890
I'm for for larger properties

728
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:19,390
But if my my neighbor had a bunch of goats right next to me with a small lot I have that'd be a big problem

729
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:22,470
So just like you know, we might be seeing that at some point

730
01:06:23,090 --> 01:06:24,170
The other thing is

731
01:06:25,110 --> 01:06:28,770
What's the status of the new building for the fire department on this side of the tracks

732
01:06:28,770 --> 01:06:34,950
because we're paying a lot of taxes for us to live on this tax and sometimes we

733
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:40,350
don't have servers because the trains are blocking service. I can answer that

734
01:06:40,350 --> 01:06:46,910
so the town entered into an MOU three years ago I think with the fire

735
01:06:46,910 --> 01:06:53,950
district for approximately four to five acres on this property on the south

736
01:06:53,950 --> 01:07:03,010
would be the Southwest corner and the fire district actually received a $1 million grant from

737
01:07:03,010 --> 01:07:09,930
Representative Evans office because their congressional districts are kind of split here. We have

738
01:07:09,930 --> 01:07:17,870
Representative Bobert on the east side of 76 and west side is Representative Evans. So the

739
01:07:17,870 --> 01:07:19,030
The virus recovers both areas.

740
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:21,490
So they qualified for representative evidence

741
01:07:21,490 --> 01:07:23,610
congressional leaders directed spending.

742
01:07:24,410 --> 01:07:25,470
So they received $1 million.

743
01:07:25,810 --> 01:07:29,830
They have to use it by the end of the year next year.

744
01:07:30,310 --> 01:07:33,730
So the end of fiscal year in October 1 for the federal government.

745
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:38,150
So they will be kind of moving full speed ahead.

746
01:07:38,250 --> 01:07:39,850
I think they're still trying to understand

747
01:07:39,850 --> 01:07:43,190
what type of presence they want to have here.

748
01:07:43,570 --> 01:07:47,450
Is it kind of a, do they want to try to move admin out here?

749
01:07:47,450 --> 01:07:56,930
just having maybe a few spots for firefighters and, you know, they're apparatus to have a presence here.

750
01:07:57,550 --> 01:08:01,370
So that's kind of the TBD, but they did receive money for it.

751
01:08:01,450 --> 01:08:06,750
Right. It's not just the fire department, but we are being taxed on ambulance service now.

752
01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:11,710
So that's another point I want to bring it up. It's like, there's a point we're paying for all this.

753
01:08:11,830 --> 01:08:15,770
But yet the majority of the town could not have service for the train reason.

754
01:08:16,290 --> 01:08:24,030
And we can, you know, see what kind of presence they would have for them doing some, you know, with this, this move over here with this facility too.

755
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:36,020
Back on the ADU subject, I think this is definitely a longer conversation. I can think of easily like 10 to 15 questions out the top of my head.

756
01:08:36,780 --> 01:08:39,620
I think we should add that to the next, the next meetings agenda.

757
01:08:40,060 --> 01:08:42,920
Can we make it a discussion item, a full blown discussion item.

758
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:43,360
Okay.

759
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:48,620
Yes, ma'am. What topic is that? I didn't hear you. 80 use excessive going is any

760
01:08:55,730 --> 01:08:57,030
other comments commissioners

761
01:08:57,030 --> 01:09:02,160
Are we ever going to have a Mexican restaurant?

762
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:10,200
I'm done. I'm I'm completely done with them planning. I think

763
01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:16,580
Public works still needs a backflow certification and the building department has

764
01:09:17,450 --> 01:09:19,580
one electrical final and

765
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,920
I can't even tell you what um

766
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:30,500
I can tell you what it is that they're not passing that's the same stuff over and over again that I've seen Robert in there three times.

767
01:09:32,580 --> 01:09:34,850
Yeah, I know.

768
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:45,160
Their electrical box is not properly labeled and they don't have panic hardware on the front doors.

769
01:09:45,420 --> 01:09:50,480
So we won't let you in because you will never get out if they had a fire, which is a problem.

770
01:09:52,780 --> 01:10:08,080
And we keep explaining to them, you need panic hardware here and panic hardware is the stuff that when you have a fire and the doors, you know, it's the stuff that people need to, all the doors need the push bars,

771
01:10:10,140 --> 01:10:13,780
this kind of a big deal, kind of a big deal.

772
01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:32,940
Yeah, so that is a big that's a big deal. I we can't even give them a TCO because of that and I I've told them before it's like I'd love to let you in and put all your food in the in the cooler have your employee trainings like if you just put your panic hardware on the door, that can happen.

773
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,580
So we talked, I talked, we talked to her today,

774
01:10:43,490 --> 01:10:48,490
it's all I can do to lead horses to the water. Do you know what I mean? I put put water in front of the horse.

775
01:10:50,310 --> 01:11:02,370
Like, make a make a whole pond for the horse in front of the horse. I could make the metaphors keep coming. Do you know what I mean? So, but yeah, so that's where we're at.

776
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,740
people can never afford the stuff they don't want to pay for.

777
01:11:30,460 --> 01:11:32,260
Anybody else? Going once?

778
01:11:33,620 --> 01:11:42,000
Going twice. All right, I'm going to declare the September 9th, 2026 planning commission meeting closed at 713-B.