1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:29,480 That's right. That's going to be really, really, really, yeah, like to begin. Yeah, afternoon commissioners. So, uh, pretty light agenda today. As usual, we'll go over just really quickly what we have on tonight's consent agenda. Can you guys have any issues or concerns? Um, so just four items, even on our consent agenda tonight. Item A would be to approve the issuance of 2026 licenses for salvager operations. This is 2 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:35,140 need to be able to do. Item B would be to authorize the Western Maryland Strong Fund Agreement 3 00:00:35,140 --> 00:00:39,880 on Dendom. This will allow the transfer of administration from social services to the 4 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,740 Western Maryland long-term recovery group. We're going to continue obviously in the long-term 5 00:00:44,740 --> 00:00:50,120 recovery out there. Item C is the execute and MOU with the Maryland Department of Information 6 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:55,100 Technology at the Tower of Sight-Alone Bishop Walshrave. This will allow them to construct and 7 00:00:55,100 --> 00:00:57,360 to maintain communication equipment from Maryland first, 8 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,020 statewide public safety applications, no cost to us. 9 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,160 And finally, item D would be the re-appointment 10 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,460 of Kathy Snyder and David Hall was lay board members 11 00:01:06,460 --> 00:01:08,040 when they had any county board of appeals 12 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,180 for classified employees. 13 00:01:09,780 --> 00:01:10,980 They'll each have a three-year term. 14 00:01:12,060 --> 00:01:13,100 Any concerns there? 15 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:13,960 No, sir. 16 00:01:14,260 --> 00:01:14,320 No? 17 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,200 I guess we'll just incase anyone has 18 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,360 and we'll do departmental updates first. 19 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,280 Lee, and I'll start with you, Lee, if you want. 20 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:32,240 We had our open meetings and ethics training this afternoon, we had approximately 30 of 21 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:39,420 our employees and board members who attended in person and approximately 20, about 20 more 22 00:01:39,420 --> 00:01:41,300 who attended virtually. 23 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,060 So good attendance today. 24 00:01:44,620 --> 00:01:50,560 We went through just to make sure to provide some information to our boards on compliance 25 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:58,320 with the Open Meeting Act, and then we had Tansi Watson from the State Attorney General's Office. 26 00:01:58,660 --> 00:02:01,040 She's Assistant Counsel to the State Ethics Commission. 27 00:02:01,820 --> 00:02:09,940 She provided some training and updates to the board members as well on that. 28 00:02:10,260 --> 00:02:16,370 So, overall well-attended, think it went well. 29 00:02:16,890 --> 00:02:17,570 Good, good. 30 00:02:17,570 --> 00:02:18,150 Thank you. 31 00:02:19,210 --> 00:02:19,850 Thanks, Lee. 32 00:02:21,150 --> 00:02:24,510 Adam, Roger, Christie, and Kakers. 33 00:02:25,270 --> 00:02:27,070 I guess George's Creek gang was building. 34 00:02:27,330 --> 00:02:29,790 It is a team F between us and public works. 35 00:02:30,190 --> 00:02:32,950 But on our end, once the sprinkler system's in, 36 00:02:33,150 --> 00:02:34,030 we have all the painting done. 37 00:02:34,430 --> 00:02:35,370 The bunk rooms are there. 38 00:02:35,690 --> 00:02:37,090 The sink is ready to go. 39 00:02:37,510 --> 00:02:38,890 All the radio is in place. 40 00:02:39,610 --> 00:02:40,970 We're ready to open up. 41 00:02:41,430 --> 00:02:42,870 We have the people aboard. 42 00:02:43,330 --> 00:02:45,550 So when are you going to open in, Roger? 43 00:02:46,150 --> 00:02:50,610 When the sprinkler system install is complete, which is in progress as we 44 00:02:50,610 --> 00:02:54,610 The second week of January maybe. 45 00:02:54,690 --> 00:02:57,270 It all depends on when I can get through or in there. 46 00:02:57,530 --> 00:02:58,350 Yeah, and what I mean. 47 00:02:58,350 --> 00:02:59,850 Right now, we've split the team. 48 00:02:59,970 --> 00:03:03,250 I'll make the tap yesterday on the county's waterline. 49 00:03:03,450 --> 00:03:03,590 Yeah. 50 00:03:03,950 --> 00:03:06,710 And calling that McKenzie have run the waterline into the database. 51 00:03:06,710 --> 00:03:07,170 Oh, okay. 52 00:03:12,410 --> 00:03:16,130 And with the holidays, it's really hard going up. 53 00:03:16,390 --> 00:03:17,670 And I guess the another January. 54 00:03:18,230 --> 00:03:18,370 Yeah. 55 00:03:18,930 --> 00:03:23,850 Adam, wouldn't there's something done with the sprinkler system before it was either halfway down the board? 56 00:03:24,210 --> 00:03:26,110 The worst majority of it is done. 57 00:03:35,100 --> 00:03:38,960 And I think the original vendor declined to come back, correct? 58 00:03:39,140 --> 00:03:39,300 Yes. 59 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:40,800 I don't really call it that. 60 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:42,520 Good. 61 00:03:44,180 --> 00:03:45,200 County engineer? 62 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:46,580 I know he's got a big one. 63 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:47,640 Dan? 64 00:03:47,860 --> 00:03:49,520 I'll talk to him in a minute, but no, nothing else. 65 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:09,760 Thank you guys for a chance to just give a brief update on where we're at with this project 66 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:10,180 here. 67 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:17,420 Appreciate President Jones coming from alien college to hear this and just kind of keep 68 00:04:17,420 --> 00:04:19,620 showing this good partnership we've had with them so far. 69 00:04:19,620 --> 00:04:24,460 or just have a few kind of recaps of what we've done so far 70 00:04:24,460 --> 00:04:26,240 and then talk about where we're at 71 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,320 and just need kind of some thoughts from you guys on 72 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:30,720 maybe how you'd like to proceed 73 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,960 and then we can talk about what the next steps are after that. 74 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:37,780 And in front of you, just kind of, 75 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:40,580 there's two maps in the back of that, 76 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,840 just a little list of bullet points there 77 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:45,580 and they kind of show, I guess with the options 78 00:04:45,580 --> 00:04:46,920 are we have at this point. 79 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:54,100 Our main goal for this facility overall, as you know, kind of made the first step toward 80 00:04:54,100 --> 00:04:58,980 that with the completion of the first day's last fall, our goal would be to have a facility 81 00:04:58,980 --> 00:05:04,840 that can be used for outdoor recreation, to have a competitive playing surface for soccer, 82 00:05:05,620 --> 00:05:08,600 from the Peewee age all the way up through a collegiate level. 83 00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:12,660 We would have to see to determine what field size they would need in order to be able to 84 00:05:12,660 --> 00:05:16,860 those different events in a sanctioned type environment, 85 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:20,000 as well as football from Peabee Up Through High School, 86 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:23,720 trying to make the field as multi-use as possible 87 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,300 on the turf there that's labeled football soccer field 88 00:05:27,300 --> 00:05:27,900 on that map. 89 00:05:28,540 --> 00:05:30,680 And then also including some grass fields next to that, 90 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,920 but also wanting to be mindful that we have 91 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,920 a overall facility that's got usable restrooms, 92 00:05:37,700 --> 00:05:39,440 perhaps even a concession stand, storage, 93 00:05:40,020 --> 00:05:44,360 adequate parking, spectator areas, lighting, things like that. 94 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,240 So I'm going to talk more about that as we go here. 95 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:53,180 The first phase, as I mentioned, was completed last fall through combination of funds from land water and conservation 96 00:05:53,180 --> 00:05:58,760 fund through the park service, local parks and playgrounds and program open space. 97 00:05:59,220 --> 00:06:03,380 We had a contract with excavating associates and then we also did some work in house. 98 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,840 That constructed is the result of all that work. 99 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:14,280 The entrance road into the site, we had an outdoor classroom, a civilian put in 3000 feet 100 00:06:14,280 --> 00:06:20,000 or so of a walking trail, the Kinetic Fitness Court which we had a ceremony back in last 101 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:26,300 October to open that up to let the public do a variety of different exercises which maybe 102 00:06:26,300 --> 00:06:30,260 they wouldn't have before, but we got a grant for that and it's a neat facility that hopefully 103 00:06:30,260 --> 00:06:34,120 we get a lot of use out of when the rest of the facilities built here. 104 00:06:34,820 --> 00:06:41,040 We have about 20 parking spaces next to what will be the future turf field and build the first round of storm on our management. 105 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:52,120 The bridge crossing that we put in to get over to the future turf field area was an old rail or a tanker car that we were able to get was a good repurpose of that pretty exciting project. 106 00:06:52,120 --> 00:07:03,380 It turned out really well completed with our in house construction crews where we're at now phase two of this project would be everything at least up here on the map that's shown there kind of in the red color. 107 00:07:03,380 --> 00:07:10,460 We also have that map here in front of you, there's I guess a few decisions to be made and before I get into that 108 00:07:10,460 --> 00:07:15,440 I just want to make sure that I kind of state what should be obvious 109 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:21,640 I hope that this is not a project that's directly competing against nor is it borrowing from any funds that we're 110 00:07:22,220 --> 00:07:28,040 Using to try to complete ongoing flood recovery efforts. Okay. This is a separate issue today 111 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:33,360 It's just requiring our in-house engineering time to work through, and any of the funds 112 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:38,300 that we're talking about, as far as our grant related, or looking at other agencies 113 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:39,400 to help us out. 114 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,780 So, this isn't really detracting from the ongoing efforts that we've been completing 115 00:07:43,780 --> 00:07:46,640 for the last seven months in response to the flood. 116 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:54,160 The second phase, our need here is to have a facility that's functional and usable from 117 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,800 the jump, so that has to include a lot of elements. 118 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:02,240 It's part of different events out of town that I've gone to with my own kids. 119 00:08:02,980 --> 00:08:06,500 We're trying to avoid a scenario where you show up and you have a beautiful turf field, 120 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,720 but then there's three porta-pots and a gravel parking lot and it doesn't support hundreds 121 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:12,760 of people using it. 122 00:08:13,020 --> 00:08:18,460 So we want to be mindful of having a good field and then also having the infrastructure around 123 00:08:18,460 --> 00:08:24,360 it to support having large crowds there to try to make this really a good area and something 124 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:25,660 that we can use to attract people. 125 00:08:27,100 --> 00:08:31,040 We currently have up to $1.8 million in funding 126 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,440 from land and water conservation 127 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,780 from conservation fund, which is through the Park Service, 128 00:08:37,460 --> 00:08:38,980 to be able to leverage all of that money, 129 00:08:39,140 --> 00:08:41,440 we have to match it 100%. 130 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,780 We've been able to leverage just over 1.2 million of that 131 00:08:46,780 --> 00:08:51,580 already through about 225,000 through a program open space. 132 00:08:51,580 --> 00:08:59,220 and the whole parcel that you see here shown is currently property of 133 00:08:59,220 --> 00:09:04,700 Allegheny College. They have graciously agreed to donate that to the county for 134 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:09,140 this purpose the value of that land donation leverages about another million 135 00:09:09,140 --> 00:09:15,880 dollars that we can then use for construction from those LWCF funds. To get the 136 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:21,300 remaining almost $600,000 in funding we need to identify either additional 137 00:09:21,300 --> 00:09:27,540 cash, e-undoor, and kind services that we can provide to the site through a variety of different 138 00:09:27,540 --> 00:09:35,420 manners. I'll talk more about that in a minute. To get a really technical facilities and site we 139 00:09:35,420 --> 00:09:40,200 want to have out there, our total project costs at this point would be estimated to be somewhere 140 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,400 between three and a half and four million. So there's going to be a difference in the neighborhood 141 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:50,920 of about 1.7 million or more that we need to talk about here to find out how aggressively you guys 142 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,620 would like us to pursue some of these different options. 143 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,680 So the phase two, the base build out, which is kind of what I have shown here and red. 144 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,760 I'm just going to kind of read through the things that it covers. 145 00:10:02,620 --> 00:10:07,880 And then we can talk about maybe what some of the additional opportunities might be to see 146 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,740 maybe where we land, and then we can go from there. 147 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,380 So the phase two base, which is just like I said, something that we really think is just that 148 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,540 we need to have all of these things in order to make it a usable and safe and functional 149 00:10:19,540 --> 00:10:23,680 facility and has an artificial turf field for football and soccer uses. 150 00:10:23,860 --> 00:10:28,500 I mentioned two natural grass fields next to the turf field which can be used for a variety of 151 00:10:28,500 --> 00:10:34,620 different purposes. Stadium lighting for the turf field spectator seating just sets the 152 00:10:34,620 --> 00:10:39,820 bleachers for the turf field. The necessary goal post soccer goals team benches and things to support 153 00:10:39,820 --> 00:10:46,280 those activities on the turf field perimeter fence for the turf field to keep mostly deer out and 154 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:52,940 other people out that shouldn't be on there. Additional parking as shown there to support 155 00:10:52,940 --> 00:10:58,840 the increased use in that area, a restroom and storage building that can support enough 156 00:11:00,620 --> 00:11:04,920 people being there to need an adequate restroom facility. That's one of the biggest things here 157 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:10,700 that we really want to make sure we get right. Extending the walking trail so it ties in again with 158 00:11:10,700 --> 00:11:16,640 The existing walking trail at AC and extends even further back into the woods to provide 159 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:22,540 another avenue for people which is already a very popular walking and exercise area down 160 00:11:22,540 --> 00:11:26,920 there and the other necessary store-owner management facilities. 161 00:11:27,140 --> 00:11:31,900 All of those things added up if we were to put that out for BIDs right now, we're expecting 162 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:34,360 somewhere in the neighborhood about three and a half million dollars. 163 00:11:36,610 --> 00:11:42,670 It's hard to really nail down exactly what it would cost because field turf, stadium 164 00:11:42,670 --> 00:11:46,450 lights, things like that, and not obviously very common items, but based on information 165 00:11:46,450 --> 00:11:50,990 we have from other local projects, thinking that's something that we're pretty close and 166 00:11:50,990 --> 00:11:52,530 comfortable with that number. 167 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:02,400 So the green here show, which is the second map in the packet, I passed out here as well, 168 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,220 these are just, it's basically all the same things, but there's a few additional things 169 00:12:06,220 --> 00:12:11,260 that we think that kind of if we're going this route of trying to find additional funding 170 00:12:11,260 --> 00:12:17,880 this would really kind of represent which would be a really great use full build out of 171 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:22,780 this type of facility for us and really be the only real additions to this would be adding 172 00:12:22,780 --> 00:12:28,060 additional sight lighting along the entrance road to make it easy to see as you're coming 173 00:12:28,060 --> 00:12:34,480 in instead of just over at the field area putting in an additional pavilion just thinking 174 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,660 mostly of my own experiences with my own family, going to areas where there's 175 00:12:37,660 --> 00:12:41,820 inclement weather and you're stuck waiting for games to pass and having another place to go 176 00:12:41,820 --> 00:12:48,480 this undercover. The Pavilion Week constructed in the first days was very nice and it would be 177 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:53,020 good to have an additional one available for folks to use while they're using this area. 178 00:12:54,060 --> 00:12:58,640 A playground area next to the fitness course that that is already there to support 179 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:05,500 or just a variety of use for young children and then a scoreboard for the turf field. 180 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:12,560 So a few things else to consider, those items added together would probably add around 181 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:14,860 a half million to the total cost. 182 00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:19,840 So we'd be looking somewhere depending on what we settle on with all of those things somewhere 183 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,840 between $3.5 and $4 million if we would put all of those things out for bid. 184 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:25,720 trying 185 00:13:28,020 --> 00:13:33,080 to determine the best way to go about how to leverage opportunities for 186 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,240 in-kind participation, engineering, and things like that. Obviously you're being 187 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,420 covered through our department. There's an opportunity perhaps to take advantage 188 00:13:40,420 --> 00:13:47,820 of some county construction services through some trucking, some hauling, and maybe even 189 00:13:47,820 --> 00:13:53,800 some grading on site wanting to be mindful of what makes the most sense, but also 190 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:59,980 So it would potentially save some money in terms of being able to use our own current equipment 191 00:13:59,980 --> 00:14:06,560 but need to maybe kind of see what makes the most sense for that going ahead. 192 00:14:06,940 --> 00:14:11,440 Also trying to work with either own and house crews or perhaps the city of Cumberland to 193 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,340 make the water and sewer connections for this area. 194 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,720 The other piece of this that is worth maybe considering, it's something that would be new for 195 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,360 us because we don't have obviously a large number of recreational facilities. 196 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,680 but I'm sure you guys have seen when we go to different stadiums, they're named whatever 197 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:33,120 but ever field or such and such whatever concession stand there's obviously a lot of potential 198 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:39,180 sponsorship opportunities that would bring in some additional cash for a facility like this 199 00:14:39,180 --> 00:14:46,020 including not limited to but the field surface itself some of the lights that we're going to get a 200 00:14:46,020 --> 00:14:51,940 kind of a paved walkway around the football field not a track but just like a paved walkway 201 00:14:51,940 --> 00:14:57,500 defense itself, some of the goalposts, the goals, the bleachers, scoreboard, the 202 00:14:57,500 --> 00:14:59,980 restroom facility itself, but they don't have to do anything, they don't have to do anything. 203 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:27,860 In the parking lot, signs, landscaping, all those types of things, depending on how far we want to go with that, there's a potential opportunity to maybe obtain a lot of the cash that we would need through sponsorship from local businesses or organizations. So kind of wrapping this up here, the facility obviously is going to provide a lot of opportunities and benefits for the city of Cumberland being with located within the city limits, elegant college, and also just elegant accounting in general. 204 00:15:29,180 --> 00:15:33,460 our recommendations at this point based on our experience with similar type projects 205 00:15:33,460 --> 00:15:37,740 like this in the past, I mean obviously the turf field construction is something new 206 00:15:37,740 --> 00:15:42,620 for us but in terms of working on a park or a recreation type facility we've done in 207 00:15:42,620 --> 00:15:47,440 a few different times mostly related to the gap trail but we'd recommend working with 208 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,800 the city of Carmel and to ask for some cash contributions from them we've received similar 209 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,200 contributions in the past from the city of Frostburg when we've done projects along the 210 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,960 the trail, you know, so the minors Memorial Park, 211 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,880 maybe even consider asking them for assistance 212 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,580 with making the water service connection to the site. 213 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:09,160 We're not recommending asking any college 214 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,860 for additional cash at this point 215 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:14,200 because their abandonation is what's enabled about a million 216 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,960 dollars in construction funding for the project up to date, 217 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,440 which is more than generous. 218 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,560 The commissioners obviously were completing the design 219 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,820 and the construction management in-house which would be a substantial savings as opposed to 220 00:16:27,820 --> 00:16:34,980 going out and putting that to bid to a consulting firm. Did any other cash contribution requirements 221 00:16:34,980 --> 00:16:39,280 that are left, which potentially would need to be brought before you all would obviously be determined 222 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:47,920 by our scope, minus whatever else we were able to put together for funding. I guess the decision 223 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:52,900 or the consideration on your parts at this point would be trying to determine if this is something 224 00:16:52,900 --> 00:16:58,160 would be appropriate to ask our local delegation to bring before the state legislature to see if 225 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:03,980 any type of capital funding or appropriations might be available to help us close that gap. 226 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,620 And my expectation is that something that they could consider that obviously we'd want to be 227 00:17:09,620 --> 00:17:14,700 able to help you guys put together whatever that type of information is that you would need to be 228 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:19,160 able to make that request and just wanted to kind of get your thoughts on that because that would 229 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:20,980 and probably represent the line share 230 00:17:20,980 --> 00:17:23,640 of what additional funding we would need to get from 231 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,060 where we're at with the WCF monies 232 00:17:26,420 --> 00:17:30,660 to what the anticipated overall contractor bid would be. 233 00:17:31,060 --> 00:17:32,360 Adam, is there anything else you want to add to that? 234 00:17:33,620 --> 00:17:38,740 I think we've been just twang around with the idea 235 00:17:38,740 --> 00:17:41,540 on how to maximize this money for a longer time. 236 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,000 Recently, I invited David in. 237 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:51,080 And basically a lot of people I lean on some expertise, I invited Jay Marley in from the 238 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,000 Board of Education, Bobby Smith from City of Carolina, and Dan and I, and we just sat 239 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:01,240 around and talked about having been to these facilities, Jay, Marley response for maintaining 240 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:08,720 these facilities, the idea does it make sense for our county to try to push forward now and 241 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:13,420 provide an opportunity with an artificial turf field, or should we save the money and do 242 00:18:13,420 --> 00:18:22,480 little grass complex. So we I think collectively just shared different ideas and we felt it's in the 243 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:27,140 county's best interest at this point in time. I think we need to push forward to try to get this 244 00:18:27,140 --> 00:18:34,000 type of facility with an artificial turf field with a full um restroom building with storage 245 00:18:34,540 --> 00:18:41,840 with the adequate parking with the lighting and I think it's um I think it's appropriate for us to 246 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:42,740 to be able to talk to company. 247 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,280 I think it's also would be, 248 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,380 that's maybe talk to the state, 249 00:18:46,820 --> 00:18:50,180 how can we bring this type of project to completion now? 250 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,640 All right, I think the idea of being able 251 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,420 to utilize some of the businesses and such 252 00:18:55,420 --> 00:18:57,380 to be able to help partner with us 253 00:18:57,380 --> 00:18:59,820 for some of the small pieces is a good idea, 254 00:19:00,340 --> 00:19:03,000 but I would rather shoot for, you know, 255 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,600 let's keep this whole thing funded. 256 00:19:05,300 --> 00:19:06,340 And then if we fall short, 257 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,160 then we can go, maybe we go about that way. 258 00:19:09,700 --> 00:19:15,700 So, I think it was important that we had the right people at the table before we had a chance to talk to you. 259 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:21,080 So, just wasn't Adam and Dan coming up with this artificial turf field complex that we can't afford. 260 00:19:24,100 --> 00:19:27,580 I've traveled to these facilities and I know these guys do now too. 261 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,020 We need one of these, I mean, we really do. 262 00:19:33,020 --> 00:19:40,100 I know this past fall there were teams, soccer teams plugging for fields, okay. 263 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,660 Grant Riverside has had some damage as a result of the flood, some of the 264 00:19:45,660 --> 00:19:48,880 middle school football teams have been silenced around mainly the 265 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,140 Allegheny feeder team. They were at the old Allegheny field and now we have 266 00:19:53,140 --> 00:19:59,480 construction going on there. So they've been just like no fun field. So I feel with 267 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:05,760 A turf field with lighting on an evening such as tonight where it is 50 degrees in 268 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:06,100 mild. 269 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:09,040 You will have kids on that field at 6 o'clock at night playing. 270 00:20:09,460 --> 00:20:16,040 When you guys talk about timeline here and the delegation and you're referring to this 271 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,500 session or would it become it would be a place for them? 272 00:20:19,940 --> 00:20:20,820 What are you referring to? 273 00:20:20,860 --> 00:20:22,580 We would like to get in on this session. 274 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,380 So the 1.8 has kind of been set aside, this LWCF. 275 00:20:26,380 --> 00:20:31,940 It's not necessarily like 1.8 is ready to spend, but it's been set aside and we're going 276 00:20:31,940 --> 00:20:39,180 to make an application to DNR and now we're going to work with, he's the federal agency, 277 00:20:40,580 --> 00:20:41,100 Park Service. 278 00:20:41,420 --> 00:20:41,540 Yeah. 279 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:46,560 And that money's not available until next fall, okay. 280 00:20:47,060 --> 00:20:54,720 But the request has to be put in and we have to identify the scope and in my mind the scope 281 00:20:54,720 --> 00:21:03,320 that we identify for LWCF funding is the turf field because in 15 years time plus 282 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,160 reminds a couple years when it's time to replace that turf field we can go 283 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,640 hey open space we need you to come to the table now to replace this turf field 284 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:18,060 and now we have a turf field is in place for 30 plus years okay so I think 285 00:21:18,060 --> 00:21:23,760 between what we can do in-house on our floor with design I think what we 286 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:30,480 perhaps can orchestrate between Comberland County and what we can accomplish with some 287 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:36,000 in-kind services for some of the general rough construction. I think we should do that 288 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,360 to a certain extent, but I think it would be fantastic if we can get Comberland's money. 289 00:21:40,940 --> 00:21:45,440 We can get some money from the state who will put out a really nice project, just if we 290 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:46,660 can be proud of it. 291 00:21:49,220 --> 00:22:01,700 Our delegation has, in recent past, talked a lot about regional recreation as being a priority, and particularly going up up was really expressed that's a priority for him. 292 00:22:02,620 --> 00:22:06,920 I just, I was, Dan and Adam talked about being at these events. 293 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:24,920 I was just on the eastern shore with my sons and we were talking about the fact that there's a 30 million dollar indoor outdoor facility going in on the eastern shore for entirely devoted to regional recreation. 294 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:33,060 So I think the time for the state to support a project like this is really primed with our delegation behind it. 295 00:22:33,140 --> 00:22:36,340 I think it makes sense to prioritize it. 296 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,700 To the extent that we're able to get their support. 297 00:22:39,260 --> 00:22:45,400 And outside of the flood commissioners, the only thing we've asked the delegation for so far will be to take down the smoke stacks. 298 00:22:45,620 --> 00:22:52,800 So which is a, there's costs there for sure, but generally I think they have some capacity for the project. 299 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:58,820 So the time's probably good if you want these guys to kind of start to write this up or we could get a letter together. 300 00:22:59,300 --> 00:22:59,660 Absolutely. 301 00:22:59,660 --> 00:23:05,600 We had our next meeting to go down the state to the delegation to wherever we need to figure out who we need to get to. 302 00:23:06,140 --> 00:23:08,540 To make the request if that's something you guys want to do. 303 00:23:08,780 --> 00:23:09,760 Yeah, people will come. 304 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:10,280 Yeah. 305 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:11,620 This stuff's just like the movie. 306 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:13,120 You go to the neighborhood. 307 00:23:13,420 --> 00:23:14,360 Well, it's much needed. 308 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:15,540 Well, yeah, it is needed. 309 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,500 Because we have how many people always want to use this. 310 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:23,720 putting it in the small ground back here in this field behind us, which is not easy to walk. 311 00:23:24,220 --> 00:23:28,120 Yeah, yeah, we did entertain along kind of going down some right there. 312 00:23:28,180 --> 00:23:32,700 Now, that upper part, does that border with the, would be considered a liby property, I guess, 313 00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:33,140 up that way? 314 00:23:33,620 --> 00:23:39,000 This is, this is the country called, and just so to give you a little bit of reference, 315 00:23:39,380 --> 00:23:43,380 when you come out on Old Willowbrook, so you can turn down into the campus here, if you'd like, 316 00:23:43,380 --> 00:23:47,220 and then work your way to the back and then pop up onto this road right here. 317 00:23:47,220 --> 00:23:54,600 But what you're going to do is you're going to go past here some college housing and age housing here 318 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,020 I think 55 and above and you can work your way around on this road here 319 00:23:58,020 --> 00:24:03,640 And you can go down in there's a small parking light here with the building completed continue down the hill 320 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,640 Okay, you're going to go across this bridge 321 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:11,780 You can come up onto the hill here and then you can sit in this parking lot and you can turn and look down towards 322 00:24:11,780 --> 00:24:16,100 even at that point and you can kind of visualize with all this how it's all 323 00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:20,440 it's in here okay but that's all that's all completed if you haven't been out 324 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,320 there I'd recommend you write out or else if you're walking around this 325 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:29,340 connection from the AC mile loop now is already there and you can get over on it 326 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:36,740 and what did we have in place as far as continued maintenance did we have like an 327 00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:43,680 idea. As far as funding or how we arrange cutting the grass just you know he said he's cut 328 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:50,000 the grass. Okay. Yeah. He said in 9.8 or the 988 he started cutting the grass. Thank 329 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:56,340 you David. I'll cut the part of it. Yeah. A lot of those decisions are going to depend I 330 00:24:56,340 --> 00:25:05,060 guess on how large in scope. I mean the parking, the building, plowing, things like that I 331 00:25:05,060 --> 00:25:07,880 I think between cooperation between the city, 332 00:25:08,060 --> 00:25:10,400 between County and New College, 333 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,480 I think it's something that's pretty easy to figure out, 334 00:25:13,660 --> 00:25:15,240 but no specifics yet, 335 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,200 just depending on how far we end up going. 336 00:25:17,780 --> 00:25:20,060 We can use the fields, I think they'll. 337 00:25:20,420 --> 00:25:22,580 They can help maintain, you know, 338 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,840 some of the, we'll have a dumpster there, 339 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,000 they can use the building, 340 00:25:26,540 --> 00:25:28,820 have some of these operation and maintenance agreements, 341 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,540 but the idea is we would put together a committee. 342 00:25:33,540 --> 00:25:40,260 Okay, that we would have the right people at the table to make sure that the field is shared the way it needs to be 343 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:49,120 That this last summer our summer helpers cut this my college kids and then and help work with Dave Hawkins and those guys they cut it 344 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,140 The city plows it and we'll camp a security 345 00:25:53,140 --> 00:25:56,100 Boxing at night, so that's how we're set up right now 346 00:25:57,420 --> 00:26:03,360 Till these point, you know if you can all so that could be a selling point is bringing tournaments in 347 00:26:03,540 --> 00:26:09,240 Travel teams and stuff like that and really utilize and bringing those you know dollars into the county as well 348 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:14,600 I mean that could be a big we talked about that and and we like to be able to think big like hey 349 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,380 Perhaps you could be able to get one of these tournaments and I've gone to some of these in Pennsylvania 350 00:26:19,380 --> 00:26:21,680 We're sometimes are playing behind the church 351 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:27,740 And then the next thing you're on another high school field 29 way so nothing's out of the question that you couldn't play here 352 00:26:27,740 --> 00:26:33,340 You couldn't play Riverside you couldn't play even greenway Bishop Walsh and it 353 00:26:33,340 --> 00:26:34,960 It wouldn't be far to travel a mountain ridge. 354 00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:36,400 And then you have to end ending. 355 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,500 So something like that, we just need a good volunteer base 356 00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:41,160 to be able to pull something off like that. 357 00:26:43,630 --> 00:26:44,010 Understood. 358 00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:45,810 I think it's a great project. 359 00:26:46,190 --> 00:26:47,030 I think so too. 360 00:26:47,630 --> 00:26:50,610 Do you guys want them to pull, start 361 00:26:50,610 --> 00:26:52,030 to pull the numbers together? 362 00:26:52,670 --> 00:26:55,370 And guys, I would suggest maybe like the low number 363 00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:59,270 and high number, what you need, and potentially a way 364 00:26:59,270 --> 00:27:02,130 to show how we could face it in case the state would come back 365 00:27:02,130 --> 00:27:04,250 and say, hey, if you had half a million this year, 366 00:27:04,250 --> 00:27:09,570 and half a million next. Okay, that's fine, as long as it works. If you guys can do that, 367 00:27:09,630 --> 00:27:14,990 I think in the meantime, we can find out who we need to get it to at the States so they can 368 00:27:14,990 --> 00:27:19,610 kind of incorporate it in the capital request. If you guys are good for this. Yeah, absolutely. 369 00:27:20,030 --> 00:27:25,050 That's great. We needed for it a while. Yeah. We get calls here all the time. All the time. 370 00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:28,050 I get to get up all the time. Yeah, for fields. 371 00:27:31,710 --> 00:27:44,170 Well thank you very much, it's a good partnership, that's always yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked to him about the possibilities 372 00:27:44,170 --> 00:27:51,110 and he agreed like you end up having a scheduled game up here and they have a very nice grass field over there 373 00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:57,710 but all of a sudden you get some type of September thunderstorm and now you're going to have perhaps abusing your field 374 00:27:57,710 --> 00:28:01,710 Yep, well, let's walk 100 yards and use the out there and use the two eyes over there 375 00:28:05,730 --> 00:28:07,170 Sounds like a win on the way around. 376 00:28:07,210 --> 00:28:07,570 We'll go potentially. 377 00:28:07,930 --> 00:28:08,330 That's me. 378 00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:08,890 Yeah. 379 00:28:09,070 --> 00:28:11,430 We'll bring you some money when we're done. 380 00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:12,950 We'll work on it. 381 00:28:13,030 --> 00:28:14,030 You mentioned no pride. 382 00:28:14,830 --> 00:28:16,910 I don't really don't need to say a lot more of stuff. 383 00:28:18,810 --> 00:28:19,570 Very good. 384 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:27,320 Thank you. 385 00:28:27,380 --> 00:28:28,080 Yeah, thank you guys. 386 00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:29,820 Thank you guys very much. 387 00:28:30,060 --> 00:28:31,340 Even working on this won't do. 388 00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:33,980 Yeah, it's something that's been needed for a long time. 389 00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:38,080 We definitely don't have enough fields for everything that's going on. 390 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,300 No, to find a piece of ground that's got 80% of the infrastructure already in place. 391 00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:47,000 Again, that good partnership with the college. 392 00:28:48,620 --> 00:28:49,100 It's 393 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:53,580 pretty crazy. 394 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:54,960 It's been a long time. 395 00:28:56,980 --> 00:29:00,080 Hopefully we can accelerate this thing and get a nice facility. 396 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:00,960 We need the money. 397 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:02,400 We'll go. 398 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,220 The state's going to be right on board with you. 399 00:29:06,220 --> 00:29:10,800 Yeah, yeah, and I mean just for clarity too, I know the states got their budget issues 400 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,560 But this would not be you know 401 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:18,340 This isn't something they go to in the budget. This is something they typically bond out. They do those projects pretty well 402 00:29:18,340 --> 00:29:22,160 Regardless of budget, you know, just the size of the bond a little bit. Yeah 403 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,800 And this is in a huge ask per the states 404 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:34,560 Request that they will put in for a bond. Yeah, so that's kind of our our thought if we're going to ask let's ask 405 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,160 Yeah, that's what we get. Yeah, what we need to make it work, right? 406 00:29:37,260 --> 00:29:40,840 We're not going to get together such a small piece compared to what the state 407 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:46,240 ball is going to be. Yeah, but I'm hopeful still that they'll view the flood 408 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,720 assistance. Yeah, you put it everyone saying, oh, you're you're getting 409 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,220 at this and you're not going to get anything outside. I can't let that conversation 410 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,980 that was the capital project necessary, that's how it came out. 411 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:14,340 The last conversation I had when we were down there is they understood that there are two separate issues and that just because we may get funding for the flood doesn't mean we're not going to get anything else. They were very receptive to that in our last meeting with them. 412 00:30:14,340 --> 00:30:15,000 You're getting ready. 413 00:30:16,020 --> 00:30:16,200 Yeah. 414 00:30:17,460 --> 00:30:19,260 But I recorded it on my phone. 415 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:20,840 Alright. 416 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:22,440 That 417 00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:25,150 was for God. 418 00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:25,650 That's it. 419 00:30:25,650 --> 00:30:27,030 Did you guys have any other questions? 420 00:30:27,730 --> 00:30:27,890 No. 421 00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:28,410 Good. 422 00:30:29,030 --> 00:30:29,750 I like it. 423 00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:32,630 Moving forward. 424 00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:34,270 Again. 425 00:30:34,510 --> 00:30:34,990 Thank you. 426 00:30:35,290 --> 00:30:35,530 Yeah. 427 00:30:35,930 --> 00:30:37,470 You guys put a lot of comments on it. 428 00:30:37,690 --> 00:30:42,410 Because I know that that's kind of stalled open when it took off. 429 00:30:42,550 --> 00:30:43,190 It really took off. 430 00:30:47,730 --> 00:30:48,890 They always do. 431 00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:54,620 Seven dumpsters of trash. 432 00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:56,300 No, kid. 433 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,560 That's not a counting bill in the material. 434 00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:06,220 The best day, I hope that that station sits there and none of them. 435 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,500 But it's just never have to run. 436 00:31:07,580 --> 00:31:08,940 That'd be the best day in Oregon County. 437 00:31:09,060 --> 00:31:10,160 No one had to go. 438 00:31:11,540 --> 00:31:15,540 It's going to really, it's a valuable service and a key location. 439 00:31:21,180 --> 00:31:28,360 Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thanks guys, that's it, it looks good. 440 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:29,600 Can you get off? Of course. 441 00:31:33,260 --> 00:31:34,640 Oh, that was a good one.