1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,840 Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome back. Hope everyone had a great summer. Welcome to the September 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:12,580 of Facilities Committee of the Bansbury School District. I'm Linda Alsky, Chairman of the 3 00:00:12,580 --> 00:00:17,340 Committee. We'll go around the table and introduce ourselves. George Steele, Director of 4 00:00:17,340 --> 00:00:18,940 Facilities. Tom Smith, Superintendent. 5 00:00:29,980 --> 00:00:45,280 We start our meetings with public comment, seeing no one signed up for public comment, our opening close at 507 and get right to our agenda, which first up is KCBA or Sylogic, giving us an update. 6 00:00:47,260 --> 00:00:48,460 We're all on. 7 00:00:56,150 --> 00:01:03,690 Okay, the project update for tonight is scheduled, so it provides all the overall milestone 8 00:01:03,690 --> 00:01:09,730 schedule for the construction activities that began in spring of 26 and in August of 9 00:01:09,730 --> 00:01:10,130 30. 10 00:01:10,670 --> 00:01:14,970 So the initial procurement contracting, permitting and mobilization, all that occur between 11 00:01:14,970 --> 00:01:15,570 March and May. 12 00:01:15,910 --> 00:01:21,870 The initial site work began in May and the preparation of the building to add the new building is 13 00:01:21,870 --> 00:01:28,510 divided into three phases. The next slide will show the key plan. Getting good at that. 14 00:01:29,450 --> 00:01:37,230 So phase one A is in red is areas A, B, C, and D. The plan of construction will be for 15 00:01:37,230 --> 00:01:44,070 area A, area C, then area B, area D. That's how we're going to flow with the footing and steel, 16 00:01:44,450 --> 00:01:47,810 make sure to steal everything like that. Once we're done that, we're going to move into phase 17 00:01:47,810 --> 00:01:51,810 one B, and then subsequently phase one C is what we're going to finish out at. 18 00:01:52,270 --> 00:01:56,770 That's one of your specialties, your Anatatorium, locker rooms, gymnasiums, etc. 19 00:01:59,230 --> 00:02:07,130 So building pad, PrEP has preceded BSI, still doing their buyout with some of the subcontractors 20 00:02:07,130 --> 00:02:09,470 that are going to be much later on the project, doing some middles. 21 00:02:10,150 --> 00:02:15,290 The sediment basin was installed both one and two, they did put their temporary burn in 22 00:02:15,290 --> 00:02:18,750 for the drainage door and construction, they installed soil and water piping and structures. 23 00:02:19,170 --> 00:02:23,930 They're about 35 percent complete on their ground basin. Three began excavation of underground 24 00:02:23,930 --> 00:02:30,350 basin number one. They completed the building pad prep at the area A1A. They're continuing on one 25 00:02:30,350 --> 00:02:35,850 B. They're just about complete with that as they work for one C. And they're doing, they've done the 26 00:02:35,850 --> 00:02:39,790 surveying for the building corners and control lines and they're laying out the footings. 27 00:02:40,710 --> 00:02:44,890 The fire protection contractor accelerated. They submitted all of their layout 28 00:02:44,890 --> 00:02:50,690 and calculations to the engineer for review which is very good so that'll help 29 00:02:50,690 --> 00:02:53,470 before we start any of the structure we have all those drawings in and 30 00:02:53,470 --> 00:02:56,930 everything will get that it so that we know where the openings and the 31 00:02:56,930 --> 00:03:00,930 underground needs to come in and everything else. Ryan could you just pulse her one 32 00:03:00,930 --> 00:03:04,950 second on that? The term buyout could you just explain that for people because I 33 00:03:04,950 --> 00:03:10,590 think that's got some concern with that. So on midday the contractor will take 34 00:03:10,590 --> 00:03:16,210 numbers from subcontractors and they may get three or four, they may have to 35 00:03:16,210 --> 00:03:20,250 hammer out what that scope is but they'll go in with that number. Then depending 36 00:03:20,250 --> 00:03:23,150 on, you know, when a job where it's like a renovation they have to buy it 37 00:03:23,150 --> 00:03:26,590 out immediately but on a job like this they can take some time and then go through 38 00:03:26,590 --> 00:03:30,510 the exact scope and make sure that they're matching what they want with each 39 00:03:30,510 --> 00:03:34,490 contractor and they can get the best number. So for example, 40 00:03:37,270 --> 00:03:43,110 We didn't bid, they were included in the overall bid, but we're not bidding that 41 00:03:43,110 --> 00:03:48,150 individual. That is the district. Yeah, the district owns it. Now it depends 42 00:03:48,150 --> 00:03:52,570 on what the general contractor, how they want to break that up. You know, whether 43 00:03:52,570 --> 00:03:56,810 they want to give like science, case work will be a specialty, but there's some 44 00:03:56,810 --> 00:03:59,710 case where contractors are going to do everything. So do they give it to 45 00:03:59,710 --> 00:04:03,050 somebody like that? Do they break out just classrooms that they break out, 46 00:04:03,050 --> 00:04:08,210 not admin separately and make figure that out, but as far as buy out, as far as the 47 00:04:08,210 --> 00:04:10,350 discharge concern, that's just a process in the general contract. 48 00:04:10,350 --> 00:04:10,590 Correct. 49 00:04:10,770 --> 00:04:12,690 And I think that means nothing to the district. 50 00:04:12,850 --> 00:04:18,610 And that's what I think some people get confused is that we have an agreement with the general 51 00:04:18,610 --> 00:04:19,150 contractor. 52 00:04:19,630 --> 00:04:19,750 Yes. 53 00:04:20,290 --> 00:04:23,990 And those costs are theirs to manage. 54 00:04:24,470 --> 00:04:24,750 Correct. 55 00:04:25,090 --> 00:04:25,510 That's it. 56 00:04:25,630 --> 00:04:29,390 So whether they make money, whether they lose money on it, it doesn't matter to us. 57 00:04:29,630 --> 00:04:29,850 Correct. 58 00:04:29,850 --> 00:04:34,750 So that's that's why I think it's just important for people to understand is you know 59 00:04:35,370 --> 00:04:41,230 We're locked in with the the contractor. Yes. Yes, so our dollars go tariffs and all that stuff 60 00:04:41,230 --> 00:04:45,650 We've got an email asking questions. Yeah, that's you know the contractor bid on that project 61 00:04:45,650 --> 00:04:53,010 Yeah, where we stand. Yeah, I only kept that on there just because with the RCP like they've given me you know 62 00:04:53,010 --> 00:04:57,670 Like so for flooring they've given me five RCPs five so so we don't have that exact name 63 00:04:57,670 --> 00:05:02,030 So if somebody were to ask exactly who's going to do it, that's the only reason they are still going on in our process. 64 00:05:02,570 --> 00:05:04,710 As far as from a financial standpoint, that means nothing. 65 00:05:04,870 --> 00:05:10,530 That's what I think it's important that people know that it's like our agreement is with the contract. 66 00:05:10,910 --> 00:05:11,050 Yes. 67 00:05:11,310 --> 00:05:15,410 Contractor, we have a contract with them and that is where we stand. 68 00:05:15,890 --> 00:05:20,370 So if it's less, we don't get refund, but if it's more, we don't pay more. 69 00:05:20,770 --> 00:05:20,930 Correct. 70 00:05:21,470 --> 00:05:24,330 Because that's what everybody keeps asking me. 71 00:05:24,330 --> 00:05:30,170 Right. Those are all chances they take on the day. And you hear it both ways with the mayor lost a hundred thousand on this 72 00:05:30,170 --> 00:05:38,230 Or we made you know, but that's their business and they spin that way forever. This problem. Yeah, I knew with that, but I mean, we have a lot of them 73 00:05:38,230 --> 00:05:42,350 Yeah, I would say this one's longer in process just because of the length of the job 74 00:05:42,350 --> 00:05:45,330 That would be the only difference probably from most of your other project 75 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:49,240 like on the cat 76 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:54,500 One second, we're all set with the fire protection plans and everything 77 00:05:54,500 --> 00:05:57,960 No. No, because it's out the engineer for review. 78 00:05:58,240 --> 00:05:58,800 Yes, it's okay. 79 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,520 Plumbing, Michael Mechanical, they've continued to work on their coordination drawings. 80 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,620 They've completed their underground plumbing coordination drawings. 81 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,580 They mobilize with equipment and storage on site, some pipe, 82 00:06:14,140 --> 00:06:17,400 and they're coordinated with the concrete sub for any sleeves and the concrete. 83 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,720 Track counties continue on some middles. They're doing their CAD and 84 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,920 rev it the design. That's for the lead contractor and the 85 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,900 coordination drawings for everything above the ceiling. 86 00:06:26,700 --> 00:06:30,300 They poor purchase and they're storing the de-manification unit and they're purchasing 87 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:33,040 storing the hydronic piping and piping, they did that this month. 88 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:39,040 Barrow construction, electrical, they're working on some middles, layout drawings for all 89 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,380 of the underground and they're delivering their structures for the electric duck bank. 90 00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:47,040 Only the work that's going to be inside the fence that area will complete now, the rest 91 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,180 of it, the complete next summer. 92 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,300 Here's the requisition summary. 93 00:06:53,380 --> 00:06:57,320 I've tried to do, I'm trying to see if it works best for everybody, so this is a little 94 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:02,340 different the last time, so you see the contracts on the date, the original contract contracts 95 00:07:02,340 --> 00:07:05,580 on the date are the same, there are no change orders that have been approved to date. 96 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:11,560 You can see the total and completed store to date total of 8.9 million, the retainage 97 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:12,200 of 10%. 98 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:16,500 And then total earn less retainage, you can see the current payment due for this period 99 00:07:16,500 --> 00:07:25,200 is 2.5 million and percentage complete overall on the project is 3.68. As you can see, percentage-wise, 100 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:30,180 like the mechanical contractors are a little bit involved, the general contractor, that's because 101 00:07:30,180 --> 00:07:35,200 they're purchasing equipment. For next month, Brian, could you do a whole slide on this? 102 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,640 You want me to get rid of that? Yeah, you don't mind, because if I put you like this, 103 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,860 better than the last time, I had two different ones last year. Yes, because I think people are 104 00:07:43,860 --> 00:07:56,460 Well, one bigger. Yes, bigger will make, but this is, I think, the most questions we get from the community are where do we stand, and this is where any future 105 00:07:56,460 --> 00:08:09,920 change or will be clearly listed. This is where we are. These are the six contracts that we have going back to our other point. We have a contract with PSI or $176 plus million. 106 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:14,300 dollars so anything under that that's that's on that that's 107 00:08:19,330 --> 00:08:19,850 base and three 108 00:08:19,850 --> 00:08:23,070 construction you can see the stone all of this will get covered up with the 109 00:08:23,070 --> 00:08:26,930 parking lot this is just early on so you can see where the stone is you can see 110 00:08:26,930 --> 00:08:29,990 where that drain is that'll be the elevation of the parking lot one 111 00:08:32,610 --> 00:08:33,030 structure at 112 00:08:33,030 --> 00:08:37,850 the bottom there and then that's just showing the pipe and the alpha structure so 113 00:08:37,850 --> 00:08:41,750 it's running into that temporary sediment base and holding that water and it'll 114 00:08:41,750 --> 00:08:46,030 dissipate accordingly and there they see it installed that burn to keep the 115 00:08:46,030 --> 00:08:51,190 water, slowing to the temporary erosion and settlement control. 116 00:08:53,790 --> 00:08:57,410 Next two weeks, so they're going to continue on the basins, the burns, et cetera, 117 00:08:58,470 --> 00:09:02,710 building out the building pad as they finish out for that last phase to get everything ready. 118 00:09:03,270 --> 00:09:05,770 They're going to continue on the concrete footing, spears and foundations. 119 00:09:06,250 --> 00:09:08,810 They've laid out, they're getting ready to go Tuesday. 120 00:09:08,990 --> 00:09:11,550 They should be delivering rebar and getting that process started. 121 00:09:11,910 --> 00:09:14,050 Sight underground, electrical manholes are conduit. 122 00:09:14,050 --> 00:09:22,330 again just inside the defense den area underground plumbing at the new building, underground electric at the new building, they're going to continue to fabricating the structural steel. 123 00:09:23,390 --> 00:09:29,610 I'm thinking the structural steel probably sometime in middle to late December is what the target is right now. 124 00:09:29,810 --> 00:09:32,350 Delivery. This has been fabricated off site. 125 00:09:32,350 --> 00:09:38,010 oh people yeah yeah yeah so people uh yeah sorry because I've already you know but just 126 00:09:38,010 --> 00:09:43,310 sometimes we read the comments you know yeah we got it we're posting videos yeah and I have to 127 00:09:43,310 --> 00:09:50,030 say videos are getting minimum with 20,000 views with a maximum of about 50 yeah it's it's 128 00:09:50,030 --> 00:09:56,150 limited just to be able to show it to your friends and family but you know it's when something 129 00:09:56,150 --> 00:10:01,670 gonna happen yeah yeah yeah a lot is happening yeah so it's that you'll start to see so still 130 00:10:01,670 --> 00:10:06,270 will be much later, they will start once the footings will follow that up with foundation walls 131 00:10:06,270 --> 00:10:12,290 and then items like the stairwells and the elevator shaft, they'll run out before the 132 00:10:12,290 --> 00:10:12,590 steel. 133 00:10:12,970 --> 00:10:17,570 So you'll start seeing those structures come up probably, I don't know how much you'll 134 00:10:17,570 --> 00:10:20,610 see outside of the fence until probably about the end of September or early October. 135 00:10:20,610 --> 00:10:22,290 You'll start seeing some vacancy recombination. 136 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,240 We had some flow build into this schedule. 137 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,260 Once we started evaluating it, and unfortunately we've eaten up some of that, we're still ahead 138 00:10:44,260 --> 00:10:53,380 of schedule, but this July and August was 56% more rain than we've gotten over the last 139 00:10:53,380 --> 00:10:53,920 five years. 140 00:10:55,580 --> 00:11:00,620 So the contractor's kind of, we've kind of made a decision collectively to let the building 141 00:11:00,620 --> 00:11:05,980 pad dry out, and we haven't really been working other than pumping water off this week and 142 00:11:05,980 --> 00:11:07,080 then come back to it on Tuesday. 143 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,840 day. The site contractors, Morrissey, you've probably seen that they're very big. They've 144 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,560 done a tremendous job. We met them. We would be probably much worse. But because of how 145 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:17,280 we compact that. 146 00:11:19,890 --> 00:11:23,810 Right. Right. No, it's not. And then, and they've done, they've done additional 147 00:11:23,810 --> 00:11:28,210 work to, you know, when they know, unfortunately it's been just about every day. When they know 148 00:11:28,210 --> 00:11:31,950 there's going to be rain, they'll make sure they're sloping things appropriately and the tightening 149 00:11:31,950 --> 00:11:35,250 things up and nothing's opened up. Great. So that it flows a little bit back. 150 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:38,440 It's supposed to rain 151 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,600 again tonight. Now that that was supposed to be dry. Right. Yeah. 152 00:11:42,860 --> 00:11:46,660 That night. That night's labor day. Thank you so much. 153 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:47,360 Your 154 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:59,540 steel. Okay. So the next informational item is to go 155 00:11:59,540 --> 00:12:02,520 over the administrative regulation for the mold assessment and testing. 156 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,460 And the reason that we wanted to do this is it's a little change in the 157 00:12:06,460 --> 00:12:08,900 departure from what we typically did in the past. 158 00:12:10,380 --> 00:12:20,640 You know, whenever a smell or an odor or a stain shows up, everybody gets instantly upset and wants it. 159 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:26,300 Once a test, testing can be depending on how far you go with it can be very expensive. 160 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:37,280 The after consulting with a lot of other districts and Dr. Smith was really instrumental in creating most of this, but it's under the framework of 161 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:43,140 If, instead of immediately going right to testing, as you get reported, it gets cleaned 162 00:12:43,140 --> 00:12:48,500 first and foremost, if it returns, well, I shouldn't say, after it's cleaned, it should 163 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:52,360 also be investigated to prevent any future pieces, it should be simple. 164 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:57,840 If it does return, then we go to the testing piece and figure out exactly what's going 165 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:04,060 on, what could be creating it that we missed, and then, obviously, a follow-up test from 166 00:13:04,060 --> 00:13:14,450 that? Did you want me to go over the entire regulation? Or you guys said I think it's important 167 00:13:14,450 --> 00:13:19,670 to have a set protocol and all buildings know exactly what it is. 168 00:13:19,670 --> 00:13:22,050 Well, I think all of us think of Oxford Valley. Like we do, 169 00:13:24,070 --> 00:13:25,390 at least we school do and now it comes 170 00:13:25,390 --> 00:13:28,010 something else, but it prompts us to check air filters and 171 00:13:30,060 --> 00:13:30,600 purpose them. 172 00:13:33,150 --> 00:13:37,230 Not that that still gets taken care of every year as preventative maintenance pieces where everything 173 00:13:37,230 --> 00:13:38,330 and gets opened up and looked at. 174 00:13:39,190 --> 00:13:41,470 All the diffusers over the summer, they usually sweat, 175 00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:44,250 and usually ends up being dust. 176 00:13:44,750 --> 00:13:48,030 Sometimes it is light mold, but that all gets cleaned 177 00:13:48,030 --> 00:13:50,510 and sanitized before people go back into the building as well. 178 00:13:51,330 --> 00:13:54,670 That's solely because of an air conditioning humidity kind of thing. 179 00:13:55,730 --> 00:13:58,950 This speaks more towards how we're going to be handling things 180 00:13:58,950 --> 00:14:01,150 in the future versus what we had done in the past. 181 00:14:01,910 --> 00:14:04,690 And it's coming as a little bit of a shock to certain people. 182 00:14:04,690 --> 00:14:10,570 And a lot of more newer, I've talked to a couple of the principals and a lot of the teachers that are asking for things. 183 00:14:10,870 --> 00:14:16,010 Now, there's only been two of them so far this summer, they're getting used to the new regulations. 184 00:14:16,410 --> 00:14:21,530 Like, again, like I said, the corrective actions may include repairing the leaks and 185 00:14:21,530 --> 00:14:25,090 trying the wet materials and removing anything that's damaged when necessary. 186 00:14:25,590 --> 00:14:32,330 And then cleaning the systems, that's the first and foremost, as opposed to going directly to an indoor air quality test, which tests. 187 00:14:32,330 --> 00:14:38,950 It's a typical one classroom or one occurrence could be like $2,500, which doesn't sound 188 00:14:38,950 --> 00:14:39,410 like a lot. 189 00:14:39,950 --> 00:14:44,650 But if you end up doing something like we did at Make Feel where we were doing 48 places 190 00:14:44,650 --> 00:14:53,610 at once, it adds up pretty quickly and we were very proactive with doing a schedule round 191 00:14:53,610 --> 00:14:57,990 of testing like every two weeks just to make sure it wasn't getting any worse or if it was 192 00:14:57,990 --> 00:14:59,970 getting better that we were sure we're on the. 193 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:28,980 Right track. So what's $2,500? Is it like, there's a litany lab test, they throw the gold or whatever's in there? Oh, they use a cassette. They suck it through a machine that pulls it at a certain rate for a certain amount of time. Whatever's collected in that filter gets taken to a lab and gets read and they will determine what types of mold, because we test for 12 different types. And they will do, they do mold sport counts for percentages thereof. 194 00:15:28,980 --> 00:15:37,940 And then the key there is there's no, there's no number that says that room's on safe unless it's more of a 195 00:15:37,940 --> 00:15:42,020 Quantitative thing where if the mold inside the building is worse than the mold outside the building 196 00:15:42,020 --> 00:15:46,660 Which is the control sample then you know you have a problem inside, but if it's less than outside 197 00:15:47,580 --> 00:15:49,000 You know that it's really 198 00:15:49,780 --> 00:15:58,120 Generally within safety realms and we also get a report that follows 48 hours later stating their recommendations and conclusions in that regards 199 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:03,300 That's what you get with an indoor air quality test from our environmental engineer. 200 00:16:05,570 --> 00:16:06,790 That's not good to you, Ted. 201 00:16:07,070 --> 00:16:07,550 It does, yeah. 202 00:16:07,970 --> 00:16:09,510 Just notes about this. 203 00:16:10,090 --> 00:16:11,130 This was developed. 204 00:16:11,290 --> 00:16:16,170 I developed this with PEI, so they're aware they support it and it gave me the thumbs up 205 00:16:16,170 --> 00:16:16,450 on it. 206 00:16:17,130 --> 00:16:17,810 Sorry to that. 207 00:16:18,530 --> 00:16:22,310 And Dick, we're going to talk about it later with George mentioned tests. 208 00:16:23,570 --> 00:16:34,210 So we contract with Element Environmental, they send it to a lab, a lab significantly increase their needs. 209 00:16:34,330 --> 00:16:40,190 Correct. I wanted to clarify that when we go through the report even though it looks like it's much more than it was last year. 210 00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:44,410 It has nothing to do with the Element Environmental. 211 00:16:44,410 --> 00:16:59,230 If we went out to even ABC or ACME environmental engineering, they're all using pretty much the same three labs and all the labs, so he was mentioning the difference between 750 and 12, they all went up about $5. 212 00:16:59,570 --> 00:17:03,170 So it's a little bit less than double what they were charging last year. 213 00:17:04,030 --> 00:17:10,190 So it's all lab fees is the cost that's buried in his proposal for what we use. 214 00:17:10,190 --> 00:17:12,490 If so, should we need to call him out? 215 00:17:14,420 --> 00:17:16,480 I don't want the mileage charged. 216 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:18,200 That bugs me. 217 00:17:18,820 --> 00:17:20,340 The day charges for much. 218 00:17:21,260 --> 00:17:25,960 Well, and I would add that with this, that would get to me as well. 219 00:17:26,540 --> 00:17:32,400 This gentleman doesn't, in his, let in the drinking water. 220 00:17:32,900 --> 00:17:36,740 He factors in for what he expects a minimum number of tests. 221 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:40,540 But if he doesn't utilize them all, we don't get charged for them all either. 222 00:17:41,020 --> 00:17:46,180 He's been, and he's very responsive and probably one of the best companies that I've worked 223 00:17:46,180 --> 00:17:48,460 with over the last 20 years and 224 00:17:51,370 --> 00:17:53,430 he put, do we want to go on over any more of the admin 225 00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:53,670 rig? 226 00:17:58,540 --> 00:18:03,620 Well, but once we get through the initial process, then we go right to the back to what 227 00:18:03,620 --> 00:18:04,320 we had done before. 228 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:04,600 Yeah. 229 00:18:07,500 --> 00:18:08,960 Over time, that's mostly a key behavior. 230 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:18,700 Yes, and we're also looking at the possibility of trying to keep the indoor temperature above 231 00:18:18,700 --> 00:18:25,060 the dew point. So that might mean a summer AC set point if instead of holding it at our 232 00:18:25,060 --> 00:18:32,060 72 or 73 of maybe making it 78 so that you know we don't bring the humidity into the 233 00:18:32,060 --> 00:18:35,940 spaces. And that's what I'm going to try and implement for next summer. 234 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,900 There were five to read the run. Any systems at all. And that's very problematic. 235 00:18:41,420 --> 00:18:42,220 That's even worse. 236 00:18:48,780 --> 00:18:53,340 So it was important to bring that up because that is actually that would 237 00:18:53,340 --> 00:19:00,060 effect action item number 5a. So I just want you to keep that in mind when we go to look at that. 238 00:19:02,540 --> 00:19:08,120 The next item I wanted to talk about was under discussion and it's the Manor Elementary 239 00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:17,780 School HVAC control upgrades. That will affect the action item 5 days. So I may want to pull that one 240 00:19:17,780 --> 00:19:19,600 based on the outcome of discussion. 241 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:26,920 What we have at matter, in 2023, 24, we did the Giza project where we removed all the 242 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:35,000 air dell units in the classrooms and it was basically a, for generalities, it was just 243 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,980 the classroom project, left the rooftop units in place, it left some of the blower coils 244 00:19:38,980 --> 00:19:43,760 in place and obviously all the storage rooms with just their little unit heaters, all those 245 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,540 controls remained in place. 246 00:19:45,540 --> 00:19:58,340 There are all original to the 2003 construction project that was done and it's considered legacy, software, and products to CM3, some of which are not supported anymore. 247 00:19:59,780 --> 00:20:09,020 Initially, we received three to four complaints about rooms that were not coming up with air conditioning and such and it turns out that the controllers are bad. 248 00:20:09,020 --> 00:20:14,440 So, we would have to go to the next round of controllers, which makes sense because we just upgraded our jace. 249 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:20,140 We think what we only needed for, we need 10 to complete the entire building. 250 00:20:21,540 --> 00:20:24,360 The price that we got was $31,600. 251 00:20:25,780 --> 00:20:27,920 That's for 10, to complete the whole thing. 252 00:20:28,620 --> 00:20:32,480 I just want to be fully transparent that I didn't budget for that in this particular year. 253 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:46,540 So, what I would like to do is since the balance of complaints is basically just in those four rooms and I may be able to handle more, I just have to figure out how the programming is going to go. 254 00:20:47,180 --> 00:20:51,700 I haven't allowance, a parts allowance in my maintenance contract with CM3. 255 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:57,000 I still have a sizable amount of money left in there to have it taken care of. 256 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:14,100 it's not $31,000, it's only about $17,000, but we could take the parts out of that and have CM3 comes out every Tuesday to do work in our buildings and I could try to have them do that work on those Tuesdays and see how far I can get with that. 257 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:24,500 That would be, I guess, more preferable at this time since I didn't budget for the 31-6, in which case I would recommend pulling that action item. 258 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:26,340 That's solely up in your discretion. 259 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,400 I think that would be the best way to go 260 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,820 See it's up here every Tuesday every Tuesday for eight out just basically 261 00:21:43,340 --> 00:21:47,260 Is there always something to do are they doing maintenance sometimes? So they are doing maintenance 262 00:21:47,260 --> 00:21:50,040 I'm paying I get a service report every 263 00:21:51,140 --> 00:21:55,620 the week after they're here and they've been doing a lot of 264 00:21:56,980 --> 00:22:03,080 Upgrades and backups so at this particular point time aside from the one jace that 265 00:22:03,140 --> 00:22:05,400 crashed over at William Penn that they had to jump on right away. 266 00:22:05,580 --> 00:22:10,660 We could utilize that time a little more efficiently. 267 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,620 Just for the record, we're moving away from CM3 with a new high school. 268 00:22:20,490 --> 00:22:26,610 Now we're doing a open source, open protocol, open protocol, 269 00:22:27,210 --> 00:22:31,030 system, sort of not locked into one service provider. 270 00:22:31,370 --> 00:22:35,790 Okay, because right now everything we have to do has to go through CM3. 271 00:22:35,790 --> 00:22:40,750 Correct. Yeah. That's why I'm asking for it. Sorry. I asked a lot of questions that I put 272 00:22:50,860 --> 00:22:51,300 in. 273 00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:58,780 And it's a varying, I mean, they stop down. If you have two hours to kill and I'll give you all this insights. 274 00:22:58,980 --> 00:23:05,180 Like we have old systems that are pneumatic that, you know, they need certain guys to work on in the newer systems, which are all DDC. 275 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:14,060 You know, the newer guys only know how to work on the newer stuff. So it's kind of a, we have like four or five generations worth of controllers. 276 00:23:14,060 --> 00:23:15,840 like you had the new controllers that you were like 277 00:23:18,530 --> 00:23:19,410 we have to be like 278 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,540 they can't program it 279 00:23:23,540 --> 00:23:28,160 yeah and they program it yeah that's the that's the major issue there are also very few people 280 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:35,660 so there so if you need something mechanically done and and probably could we could probably 281 00:23:35,660 --> 00:23:41,440 replace the controller but getting that to talk to the back to the chase programming is scheduling 282 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:47,220 is sequencing it we're not there we did have all first that guys that would like to go for the 283 00:23:47,220 --> 00:23:53,260 training on that, but I'm not sure how I don't really think that I had the time to have 284 00:23:53,260 --> 00:23:55,000 those guys just work on just program. 285 00:23:56,620 --> 00:24:01,480 Not downing anybody, like there's a lot of guys that are capable, but it's almost like 286 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,140 a hybrid tech guy as opposed to a... 287 00:24:05,140 --> 00:24:06,540 It is tech as a lot of 288 00:24:13,010 --> 00:24:13,110 them. 289 00:24:15,090 --> 00:24:20,310 So are we in agreement to go with Georgia's recommendation to pull action item D? 290 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:23,580 Do we have to go? 291 00:24:23,580 --> 00:24:27,740 No, not even you want to, well, so do you have a vote on that? 292 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,120 Are we done with the discussion? 293 00:24:31,660 --> 00:24:31,800 Yes. 294 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,860 Then you can have a motion to vote. 295 00:24:35,620 --> 00:24:40,220 So do I have a motion to vote, actually not even 5D from? 296 00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:48,430 Well, the iron is high. 297 00:24:48,610 --> 00:24:51,790 I'd like to go over one other item, which is- 298 00:24:51,790 --> 00:24:52,710 I have two questions. 299 00:24:53,230 --> 00:24:54,570 I have two more questions. 300 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,300 Last facility committee, I report that we had the chiller issue at Walt Disney 301 00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:03,720 and warranty issues. 302 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,940 And so I apologize for this agenda being a little fluid. 303 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:11,180 I'm trying to pull together things from five different people. 304 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,340 I did get in touch with Carrier. 305 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,060 They are very interested in what the issue was. 306 00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:21,500 They understand the constraints, the warranty was not purchased through the district, 307 00:25:21,580 --> 00:25:25,120 was purchased through the Giza agreement with CM3 when they did the project. 308 00:25:25,980 --> 00:25:31,900 So the one year workmanship and two year parts has expired. 309 00:25:31,900 --> 00:25:37,280 So, and carrier recognizes that they don't see that type of failure often. 310 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:45,240 We do have other carrier pieces of equipment in the district that have been working for some of them for 10 years, some of them for 15 years. 311 00:25:45,980 --> 00:25:52,140 I don't know the exact numbers, I was trying to get that, but I know we have at least three or four other big carrier pieces in the district. 312 00:25:53,420 --> 00:26:03,600 When I talked to one of the supervisors, she basically mentioned to me that I 313 00:26:05,650 --> 00:26:06,010 did share 314 00:26:06,010 --> 00:26:14,250 with her the costs for the parts that we were quoted 18% higher than what they would 315 00:26:14,250 --> 00:26:14,990 typically charge. 316 00:26:15,810 --> 00:26:20,130 So I don't know if there's some work to be done with JCI in that regard. 317 00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:28,970 They also offered, is it a really a required repair or is it a replacement which is what is in JCI's number. 318 00:26:30,550 --> 00:26:38,030 So she has enough, they can do it at reduced or at zero cost to send somebody out for a second set of eyes on it, 319 00:26:38,410 --> 00:26:45,850 which is what I'd like to do prior to going back to JCI and telling them that you need to do something with the number. 320 00:26:45,850 --> 00:26:51,690 And then bring a revised proposal to the facility committee in October. 321 00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:54,690 Right now, the chiller is running. 322 00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:59,070 Just we have it working off of the two internal pumps. 323 00:26:59,790 --> 00:27:02,530 So there's no AC issues even today. 324 00:27:02,970 --> 00:27:05,190 How do you need that controller, please? 325 00:27:06,350 --> 00:27:09,970 It's a pump motor and a VFD, 326 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:13,780 what's that? 327 00:27:13,940 --> 00:27:14,980 What's the VFD? 328 00:27:14,980 --> 00:27:29,480 Oh, variable frequency drive, so a lot of your more efficient seat comes from whether you need 100% pump flow or if you only need 25% pump flow, as the building needs it, it ramps up and it ramps down. 329 00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:32,340 So you're looking for us to approve this amount tonight? 330 00:27:32,340 --> 00:27:37,920 No, I would like if, based on what I said, if you'd like to put, I'd like to. 331 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,260 Yeah, that's another good person. 332 00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:45,190 All right, to left of us. 333 00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:48,550 So we table item 5c. 334 00:27:49,070 --> 00:27:54,890 Just for the record, could we put that we're really not happy with carrier. 335 00:27:55,390 --> 00:27:55,530 Right. 336 00:27:56,290 --> 00:28:01,470 In the fact that we have a tremendous amount of carrier products, and we are looking at a new high school. 337 00:28:02,390 --> 00:28:08,530 that it's disappointing that you know out of two years a little out of warranty 338 00:28:08,530 --> 00:28:10,050 they're not helping us. 339 00:28:10,110 --> 00:28:10,450 I think it 340 00:28:17,580 --> 00:28:21,800 might be something so silly, or even just a capacitor blue in there. 341 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:25,420 I don't know if the unit is exactly, but sometimes it is as simple 342 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,100 to flux capacitor. 343 00:28:30,180 --> 00:28:31,600 All right, so that's there. 344 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:39,270 So that just leaves the action items to go through. 345 00:28:40,830 --> 00:28:41,930 Element environmental stuff. 346 00:28:41,930 --> 00:28:43,610 I just have to put a quick question, sorry. 347 00:28:43,930 --> 00:28:45,910 Where are we with the roof at night field? 348 00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:48,090 They're finishing up the cap sheet. 349 00:28:48,850 --> 00:28:52,090 They're looking at an installation 350 00:28:52,090 --> 00:28:55,110 of the metal starting in, I think it was two weeks 351 00:28:55,770 --> 00:28:57,830 and the solar panels will follow. 352 00:28:58,230 --> 00:29:01,210 So what's what he had estimated completion date? 353 00:29:01,790 --> 00:29:03,770 I think it's the middle of October. 354 00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:07,670 Okay, and are all the sleeves gone from Quarry Hill? 355 00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:09,570 Did the conservation come out? 356 00:29:09,570 --> 00:29:18,870 I heard through the grapevine that the conservation supervisor or inspector that was doing the job is no longer with them. 357 00:29:19,650 --> 00:29:24,050 But I did talk to the contractor who said he was going to pull all the sleeves already. 358 00:29:24,510 --> 00:29:27,110 There's more than enough vegetation and grass growing. 359 00:29:27,630 --> 00:29:34,530 You couldn't even see the salt socks anymore, so he did say he was pulling them without the inspection. 360 00:29:34,530 --> 00:29:40,330 So I think we're I didn't get a chance to verify that it's going or not, but I'm I know that he's going to take it out 361 00:29:51,410 --> 00:29:58,390 So action in five a is the fee schedule for environmental solutions if you got you basically it's just the 362 00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:59,970 His call 363 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,360 Costs should we call him out. 364 00:30:04,180 --> 00:30:07,960 So even though costs have gone up, but his 365 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:32,730 numbers here are all pretty much exactly the same as they were last year. So his, his time is not, his cost didn't actually go up. His is the lab costs that are going to. Now, keep in mind this is only if we need him. We need him. It's 366 00:30:40,340 --> 00:30:44,540 the same with the. Let in the drinking water. This 367 00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:56,520 is what I should probably go over the dollar amounts to. 368 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:56,620 So 369 00:31:00,010 --> 00:31:07,070 who stipulates whether it's an environmental technician or a principal? 370 00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:12,870 So the principal is the gentleman I call the time the owner of the company. 371 00:31:13,410 --> 00:31:19,310 He brings out his not a tech. 372 00:31:19,630 --> 00:31:24,010 He brings out his project manager or his environmental tech, 373 00:31:24,250 --> 00:31:27,450 which would have been Bob Fromm in the past. 374 00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:36,810 So he, we actually can have the ability to stick to who we want because if they don't have the right credentials we don't want them to, we don't want them right in the report. 375 00:31:41,860 --> 00:31:54,260 This is all, this again is all in line with what was he had in his proposal for last year, including the number of testing and the 10-day turnaround is pretty much what we always accept. 376 00:31:54,260 --> 00:31:54,520 So 377 00:31:58,430 --> 00:32:13,110 what I'm asking is for the board to move this through to the board to have the fee schedule for action item 5A approved, so should we need to call him out, we have them. 378 00:32:14,610 --> 00:32:21,010 And for their 5A is just the fee schedule. 379 00:32:21,010 --> 00:32:29,010 Okay, and then action item 5B is the same company they're led into water testing which we're required to have every year 380 00:32:29,910 --> 00:32:34,650 In the amount not to exceed $89,8,985 381 00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:35,990 And 382 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,080 George, that's a new requirement that it's every year? 383 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:52,560 No, it's every year, we've had to have that every year and you have to either vary your locations for your tests or you have to test them all 384 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:59,340 Okay, so what's the change the change the change is just the additional monies from last year 385 00:32:59,940 --> 00:33:06,220 Based on his but I thought there was a testing change. Oh, oh, oh that changed a little bit, too 386 00:33:06,220 --> 00:33:10,180 But they wanted the state wanted the parts per million 387 00:33:10,180 --> 00:33:16,700 They wanted to if you had anything let over zero they wanted to report the testing labs couldn't test down to zero 388 00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:19,360 Because they're there equipment. It's not calibrated to do that 389 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:37,630 So, there was a revision and this went around on the facility director website, I think it was about two weeks ago, or three weeks ago the state just approved it at some level where it has to be five parts per leader. 390 00:33:37,630 --> 00:33:38,290 Anybody 391 00:33:48,180 --> 00:33:50,680 have any questions so far for Compton 392 00:33:52,790 --> 00:33:54,030 Action Item 5E? 393 00:33:54,510 --> 00:33:56,770 All right, so Action Item 5E is pretty simplistic. 394 00:33:57,050 --> 00:34:07,170 False Township Police, we're asking to wave the facility usage fee and all room fees and custodial fees. 395 00:34:07,490 --> 00:34:18,030 They want to use the middle school track and volume pens school on Saturday, October, I think 17th for their training. 396 00:34:19,330 --> 00:34:20,270 testing purposes. 397 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:30,440 They used to use Village Park a lot. And I think they've solved that 398 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,020 building they would like a new challenge is what I believe the chief at set at one point. 399 00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:42,580 Multi-story building would be very advantageous to them as well as they're adding the training, 400 00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:45,140 the testing I think, with the track this time. 401 00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:51,560 So, I'm happy to allow them to use men's 402 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:55,540 about five. 403 00:34:57,610 --> 00:35:02,870 Okay, so just to review, we are tabling five C and we're pulling five D. 404 00:35:03,590 --> 00:35:06,350 So, do I have a motion to send to the full board? 405 00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:10,610 Action item, five A, five B and five E. 406 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,400 Thank you. All these favour? 407 00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:16,300 Go for it. 408 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:21,140 We have any other questions or concerns? 409 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:52,980 We have some water. She's out there in the hallway. She came in to the left. There was also some water that they found in the boys work out balcony. If you walk into the gym to the left, go up there. And there was. 410 00:35:52,980 --> 00:35:59,560 Well, according to Corinne, a large amount of water on the mat, there is a unit above it, 411 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,740 but it doesn't seem like it should have drifted down that much. 412 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,700 So I think Mike Sandlock did look at that, so you'll see. 413 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,000 I will get with Mike first thing. 414 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:15,620 I was up there earlier today, there were a few drops, which he might expect, which he 415 00:36:15,620 --> 00:36:19,500 had said it was a big portion on the mat. 416 00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:20,600 Where was the first place at? 417 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:26,820 The first place is right out here, I should go down the ramp and see stains on the ceiling tile. 418 00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:31,780 But then also right out here, the ceiling tile is missing also. 419 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,660 So can we get that? 420 00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:38,260 I'll get that taken care of. That's most probably more associated with the camera system. 421 00:36:38,980 --> 00:36:42,280 That's been there way since we've been finished. 422 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,640 is there a bunch of list item? 423 00:36:47,740 --> 00:36:50,660 That's no, those styles have never been there. 424 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:51,900 Right, that's what 425 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,020 you're talking about. 426 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:09,800 So 427 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,620 different specs, call for different things. 428 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:14,960 I have to fall back to what I've been, 429 00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:18,720 what my old experience was, 430 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:21,280 that some roofers are there for three to five years. 431 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,640 I have to see what the workmanship 432 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:24,580 warranty on it is. 433 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,200 I have to go back and look to see what it was on this particular job. 434 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,460 but assuming that it's still under warranty, yes, 435 00:37:29,540 --> 00:37:31,620 I get the Rupert back out, which was pro-com. 436 00:37:32,420 --> 00:37:34,340 And they still do work in our district. 437 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,060 They did one two years ago for us. 438 00:37:37,660 --> 00:37:43,440 And then failing that, we bring out a third party Rupert 439 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,720 that comes out and doesn't repair us. 440 00:37:44,980 --> 00:37:47,720 Well, they're generally done pretty well by us, pro-com. 441 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:48,500 Yes, yes. 442 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,980 The flag is like a flashing issue or something. 443 00:37:51,420 --> 00:37:53,500 Well, this is, this is compensation, right? 444 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:54,780 From those pipes? 445 00:37:54,780 --> 00:38:00,100 that again without looking at it I don't know but I will get on top of that 446 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,540 I'll get on top of that with my first thing tomorrow 447 00:38:04,940 --> 00:38:08,580 I noted 448 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:16,740 that a lot of 449 00:38:16,740 --> 00:38:20,660 the punchless that were signed off on like I don't know who went around 450 00:38:20,660 --> 00:38:26,880 verified the punchless is supposed to be both the contractor and your CM go around 451 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,800 and do that at the same time it closed out procedure that everything was signed 452 00:38:32,220 --> 00:38:35,670 I don't think we can see. 453 00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:43,870 Call Jean. 454 00:38:44,110 --> 00:38:45,250 She's like going to shoot you out. 455 00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:46,410 You can't do the punch on sales. 456 00:38:47,110 --> 00:38:49,790 I pointed that one out specifically, which is what really annoys me. 457 00:38:49,870 --> 00:38:50,290 I showed you. 458 00:38:50,350 --> 00:38:50,670 Can't do that. 459 00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:51,010 Yeah. 460 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,580 Meeting is October 1st. 461 00:39:09,820 --> 00:39:09,960 Bill. 462 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:11,820 Right here at Charlottes Bay. 463 00:39:12,940 --> 00:39:14,580 Do I have a machine to a chart? 464 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:15,080 Of course. 465 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:15,460 Do a chart. 466 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:16,880 Listen, David. 467 00:39:20,540 --> 00:39:21,160 Listen, David.