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June 24th, 2026 Planning Commission

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meeting.

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Call to order. Roll call, please. Rod

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Rodrick Anderson.

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» Present.

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» Candace Collins.

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» Here.

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» Tim DesJarlais. Absent. Bill Waner.

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» Here.

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» Jared Backman.

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» Present.

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» Randall Ryder.

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» Present.

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» And Tim Zeise present.

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As you can see, we have quorum.

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And And I want to be I'm going to say it

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before we start tonight. Um we did have

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quorum last time, but but but I as a

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chair, I didn't feel we had enough

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representation to make that type of

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decisions for these two topics.

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So it was my decision to cancel. I did

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go look further into it. And our thing

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says we only need the four to make a

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quorum, but also it's my decision

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whether or not we should continue the

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meeting with the four people that we

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had.

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So that's basically why we canceled that

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meeting. So we are open tonight and

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we'll start out with the open hearing

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first of all. Open hearing for the

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petition by the Wisconsin Development of

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LLC

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to rezone 856

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I'm sorry, 856 Street North, Hudson,

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Wisconsin from C commercial C3 to RM3

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high-density multi-family residential.

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So that leads up open hearing. So

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um first of all, one second.

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Anybody from the public want to come and

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speak about this, please keep your

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comments under 3 minutes. Try not to

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repeat

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any prior comments that were said.

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And

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yeah, so you're open. If anybody come up

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to the mic, announce your name, your

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address where you live, and any comments

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about the open hearing. As we know, this

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is probably our second time we come to

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this here at this level.

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Um

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so now, if you want to present first,

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you can go first.

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» Hi. good evening. My name is Sean Bohan.

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Address is E5055 Interlocking Boulevard,

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Eau Claire. Um, I'm an engineer with

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Advanced Engineering Concepts. And I am

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here on behalf of the developer

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um, to talk about the proposed rezone.

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So, this property is located at the

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southwest quadrant of Station Lane

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and Highway 35.

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Um,

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we're looking to rezone it from the

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general commercial district, which is a

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C3, to a high-density multi-family

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residential, which is a RM3.

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The site is currently vacant. Um,

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we end up having Highway 35 along the

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eastern border. There's residential

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along the western. Along the south, we

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have RM3 zoning. Um, and to the north,

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we end up having Station Lane.

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Um, there's scattered trees kind of

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throughout. There's a 50-ft easement

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that we end up having. Um, it falls

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right along the southern property. Um,

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that 50-ft easement ends up collecting

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runoff from both on-site off-site areas.

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Conveys it through the site, goes to the

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south. Um, goes through one of the

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village parks in the west, ultimately

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making its way down to the river.

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Um, we end up having

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a proposed site plan here

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substantially different than what you

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guys had seen

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six or seven months ago.

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Um, with the RM3 zoning, we're allowed

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to end up having 27 units. We brought

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before you guys, um, number of months

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ago something that was more in the 48 to

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50.

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Um, we're not looking at that. We're

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looking at, um, the 26 units is what we

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end up showing on this.

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Um, we're looking to conform to the RM3

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zoning.

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Um, so we have a building that is,

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uh,

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about 13,000 sq ft ends up being,

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um, the overall

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size of the building with the three

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stories that's being proposed. We're up

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to about 39,000 square feet for the

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entire over the three floors.

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Um just note that we end up having

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parking.

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There's 17 garages

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um that goes around this building. So

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um we have 17 stalls. It's at grade

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parking. We don't have any underground

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parking or anything like that that's

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being proposed. The first floor will

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consist of those 17 stalls plus four

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apartment units. Three of them will end

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up being ADA accessible.

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And then we end up having surface

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parking and stuff that goes around

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basically the eastern side.

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Um except along through here.

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In addition, we show some amenities. Um

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right now we're showing a a garden,

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pickleball court. We show access that

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that we will install that will go um

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from the parking lot or from the

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building and and take them out to the

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trail along uh Highway 35.

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Um but other site amenities that that we

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can end up looking at, gazebo, fire

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pits, grilling areas, just different

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things. We want to make sure that uh the

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residents have a place to go. And you

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can see there's a huge open space

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compared to what was brought before you

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a number of months ago.

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when we ended up uh

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you know, presenting this before

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there was two major concerns that we

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ended up hearing. Um one of them ended

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up being

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just the size of the building. Um people

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were concerned in when you're coming

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into the village cuz the village limits

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is just to the north of us.

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Um just the sheer size of the building.

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It was three stories. But it ended up

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being

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probably about two times the size of

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this. It was L-shaped. Um just the

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massive size of it was the one concern

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that that um the commission ended up

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having and the board ended up having.

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Um the other comment ended up being the

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impact to traffic.

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so you can see, you know, with our site

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plan we've addressed I think the

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the fact that this building is

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substantially reduced in size

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um and fall falls and conforms to your

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IM3 zoning.

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So, the traffic.

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ended up having

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um a traffic

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initial review is what they end up

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calling it, but we had a traffic

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engineer go through and look at what the

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impacts

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of a building, what was being proposed

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before, which was the 48 to 50 units,

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what it would end up having at the

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intersection with Station Lane and 35.

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So, they went through

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They analyzed basically the number of

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trips that you would end up having

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generated from this type of development.

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And then they look at the peak hour

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trips.

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And it's important with those peak

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hours, because those are the morning

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rushes, um

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you know, kids going to school, that

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type of thing, and then also people

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coming home. And the DOT has like strict

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standards that if you end up hitting

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certain thresholds,

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you end up having to do a traffic impact

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analysis. And then in addition to that,

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you may end up having intersection

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improvements that you would end up

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having. It might be right turn lanes, it

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might be a left turn lane. It would end

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up maybe being a stop light. Obviously,

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in this situation, that's not something

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Um but those are different things that

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they could end up requiring.

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We don't come close to hitting any of

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those thresholds that we would even have

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to end up doing a traffic impact

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analysis, but the developers took it

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upon themselves after hearing the

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concern with the traffic and stuff to

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end up paying for at least the initial

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review.

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Um to put a couple things in

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perspective, um

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what the what the uh initial review

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ended up finding is we have 10

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trips during that peak hour

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um from this development. So, you're

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basically having about a vehicle leaving

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every 5 minutes.

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Um so, very negligible. I mean, you it's

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not something that you would end up

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seeing. You're not going to end up

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having traffic backing up.

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So, that was one thing that came out of

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it. The other thing that came out of it

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is just a comparison with what you'd end

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up having with Quick Trip just to the

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south.

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Um which they would end up typically

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having 150 to 200

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trips during that peak hour when the

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development that was Well, in this case,

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you'd have about seven or eight. So, you

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can end up seeing just the the enormous

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difference that you would end up having.

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Um and the last thing

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is that there's the intersection to the

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south um that ends up being I believe

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it's North End Road.

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Um there ends up being 11 fourplexes at

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Um they end up being right close up to

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the intersection.

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Um there's actually like a a driveway

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alleyway that gives access to some of

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the women's stuff.

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And so you have 44 units right there.

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We're proposing 26.

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Of our 26 units

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um we end up having 23 of these that are

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being proposed as one-bedrooms.

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So, um and three two-bedrooms.

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So, you're going to end up having way

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less traffic. Those 44 fourplexes

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um are minimum of two bedrooms. So, you

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got basically 88 bedrooms. And the

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reason I end up comparing the bedrooms

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is the more bedrooms you have, typically

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the more people you end up having in

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there and you can end up having multiple

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cars and vehicles and stuff with that.

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that's why I bring that up. And

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you know, we had the the meeting with um

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public hearing the last time

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meeting with the planning commission,

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meeting with the board. And there wasn't

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one time that I ever heard that there

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was ever issues on North End Road.

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And we're looking at something that's

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going to be, you know, a third of the

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amount of traffic that goes onto it. So,

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just kind of letting you know that you

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know, we feel it's going to be

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negligible. It's not something that the

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DOT is going to end up requiring and

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something that the developer went ahead

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and and paid for just to be able to end

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up getting that information to be able

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to present um to both planning and to uh

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the village board. So,

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with that, I hope we have you guys'

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support tonight, and I'm open for any

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questions.

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» Any questions?

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» [clears throat]

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» What would be the height of the

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building?

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» So, I believe the max is allowed or

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allows 45 ft. We'll be less than that.

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Um but, it is going to end up being a

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three-story building with the first

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floor being a majority of parking.

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» I have a question.

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» First question.

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» Um

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» Yeah, you have to come up and announce

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and everything. You do that,

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[clears throat] but we can we can have

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you come up though after he's done.

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Yeah.

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Anybody else in the board committee?

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» [clears throat]

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» Okay.

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» All right. Thank you, sir.

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» Thank you.

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» Yep. Next next then. Anybody else? Yep,

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step.

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Amoxil friends.

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» [clears throat]

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» Okay. I'm Beth Newton, and I live at 335

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Station Lane North on the side road

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where this property is being built

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or wants [clears throat] to be built.

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Um

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I'd like to see the initial traffic

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review, all the details, because I just

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um for you saying that there's no

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impact, I just cannot wrap my head

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around that. Because the other day I

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left my house at 4:30 to turn left onto

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35, and it took me over 2 minutes just

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to turn left now

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at 4:30 p.m.

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And if you're going to add in a 26

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27

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the petition the

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thing that you filed with the

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uh village said 28 unit, but it's

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actually 26, [clears throat]

336
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correct? Um right now there's no

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jurisdiction of how many people

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well, you can have three people in a

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one-bedroom

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per North Hudson.

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Okay?

342
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I don't know that they're going to have

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three people in a one-bedroom, but the

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impact of cars for parking

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in your 26 unit, that could be up to 52

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plus cars. You don't have ample parking

347
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right now for that. Where do you propose

348
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that the extra cars park?

349
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Can I ask the question to the to the

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developers?

351
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» Yeah, it's open. Yeah.

352
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» Can you answer it now or do you want us

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to stand up going up there?

354
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» No, you can answer it.

355
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» Yeah.

356
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» Uh what the

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um we wish that mic would be remote, but

358
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yeah, go ahead.

359
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» We have plenty of space so we can end up

360
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adding parking.

361
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Um you can end up seeing the parking the

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development itself right now ends up

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having probably only about 30% of it.

364
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Um we show a certain amount of stalls.

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They're not advocating for three people

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in a one-bedroom. It's certainly not

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going to be three people that end up

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having a driver's license and three

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vehicles.

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Um

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» But it could be two. It could be 52,

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realistically.

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» We end up having more than enough space

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to be able to end up having parking. If

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that ends up being a concern from the

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village and stuff when we end up going

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through our conditional use permit,

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which we would be end up doing,

379
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we'd certainly address that at that

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time.

381
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» Where is visitor parking?

382
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I'm assuming these people have friends.

383
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» We end up having two to one ratio

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is what the requirement ends up being

385
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for the village.

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» What does that mean?

387
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» That means if you have 26 units, 52

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stalls is what it ends up being.

389
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» You don't have 52 stalls, though.

390
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That's for people I'm just saying like

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when people have guests over, where do

392
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you intend the guests to park?

393
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» Have two vehicles.

394
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And not everybody's going to be there at

395
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the same time.

396
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And stuff. So, you're not going to have

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a sign other than the garage stalls,

398
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you're not going to have a sign parking.

399
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» Okay.

400
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» [clears throat]

401
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» Um can you tell me how many three uh

402
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story buildings are in North Hudson now?

403
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» Um

404
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Mel apartments.

405
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» No, it's zero. No.

406
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» There's not

407
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They're told there's all kinds of them

408
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out there.

409
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» There are not.

410
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» She owns three of them.

411
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Mel apartments.

412
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» Not a three story building.

413
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» Three story building.

414
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Above ground level. Not like basement

415
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and then two levels.

416
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Cuz that's what most two story homes

417
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have have a basement. I'm talking three

418
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stories.

419
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Boom, boom, boom. Like a hotel.

420
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» Absolutely. Like Mel apartments.

421
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We also have an Willow River apartments.

422
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» And as long as it eat meet the ordinance

423
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» They're two story.

424
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» My mother lived there.

425
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» Oh, what wait what

426
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» [laughter]

427
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» One second. We're getting out of

428
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control. We're going to keep this under

429
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control. First of all, if as long as

430
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they meet the ordinance or the the code,

431
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the ordinance, 45, you know, if if they

432
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meet that

433
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two story, three story, it you know

434
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» Let's talk lighting.

435
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So, the parking lot has to be lit.

436
00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:42,295
Where is the lighting

437
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proposed on this? Is there on building

438
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[clears throat] lighting and is there

439
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parking lot lighting?

440
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» So, I think

441
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We're we're talking about zoning

442
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» So, right Yeah, we're not talking about

443
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that. Right now, we're talking

444
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» I know, but this is terrifying to

445
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somebody who lives across the street.

446
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» Come up.

447
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» Okay.

448
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» In the vision of the city, whatever

449
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happens at this meeting is going to

450
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» Start

451
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» Then we'll find out what type of trees,

452
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how many trees, what type of lighting.

453
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This will come up. Right now, we're just

454
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going on zoning.

455
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» Once that you rezone it

456
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then you then you say let's go.

457
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We've been through this before

458
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where we said, "Oh, yeah, this is good.

459
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We'll talk about it later. We'll talk

460
00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:23,680
about it later." And it ends up not

461
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being good stuff.

462
00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:28,400
Why do we continue to permit

463
00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,880
when we don't get the information first?

464
00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,120
That doesn't make sense.

465
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» All the information that was been

466
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submitted for this change to RM3 has

467
00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,040
been put up there in the website by the

468
00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,560
you know, the group.

469
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» Okay.

470
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» And anything [clears throat] that's

471
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additional that's going to be going

472
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through a normal conditional use permit

473
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that has to be approved, which can be

474
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denied.

475
00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:50,640
Um in fairness of any developer that

476
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wants to change anything, obviously they

477
00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,080
have to go through this practice first.

478
00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,760
You cannot, you know, the investment is

479
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basically changing it to a different

480
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zoning.

481
00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,680
» Mhm.

482
00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,600
» And if you're not going to get that

483
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approved, then you're not going to

484
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invest anything and already invested,

485
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you know, the activity in creating those

486
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things for us and

487
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the drawings and the detailed plans with

488
00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,920
they have. But again, there's steps and

489
00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,200
processes in place.

490
00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,480
What you're doing in front of the plan

491
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commission is us to make the best

492
00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,080
interest of the community and best

493
00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,280
interest of the developer who's coming

494
00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,280
to board and basically what we're

495
00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,640
approving is what making sure he he

496
00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,200
beats the ordinances that he's he's

497
00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,600
going after. And you think you want to

498
00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,000
comment?

499
00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,480
» No, I mean this is about rezoning.

500
00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,839
» Yep.

501
00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,800
» And I think that we need to have people

502
00:16:28,839 --> 00:16:32,280
come

503
00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:34,280
to the podium and express their views

504
00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,920
and public hearing is not a public

505
00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:35,400
debate.

506
00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,360
» Right.

507
00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,000
» Okay.

508
00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:41,560
Understood. Um I want you to consider

509
00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:44,080
noise pollution when you take those

510
00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,280
because right now when I sit outside in

511
00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,640
the morning,

512
00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,200
I can hear the semis now and there's a

513
00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:53,040
lot of trees

514
00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:55,261
going on 35 and that's going to impact

515
00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,000
um

516
00:16:55,261 --> 00:16:59,440
» [clears throat]

517
00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:03,800
» The properties where I live and all of

518
00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:04,880
those around us. Um car traffic, parking

519
00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:08,280
on

520
00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:11,240
the street. Right now, that road

521
00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:14,640
uh Station Lane when you turn into it,

522
00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:16,439
if you've ever driven and had two cars

523
00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,199
coming like this

524
00:17:16,439 --> 00:17:19,760
and you're walking a dog, guess where

525
00:17:18,199 --> 00:17:21,880
you go with your dog?

526
00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,839
You go into the ditch because there's

527
00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,760
not room for you to walk.

528
00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:28,011
Yeah.

529
00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,520
What's funny?

530
00:17:28,011 --> 00:17:29,322
» [snorts]

531
00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,342
» Sir?

532
00:17:29,322 --> 00:17:31,342
» [laughter]

533
00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,520
» No, the fellow in the gray hat's

534
00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:35,480
laughing.

535
00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,120
Okay.

536
00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:41,480
Okay. Um

537
00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:43,880
Yeah. And then I'm I'm worried about um

538
00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,920
uh emergency vehicles, just making sure

539
00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,800
there's enough turn

540
00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:51,400
radius turn for fire trucks around the

541
00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:54,400
building. Obviously,

542
00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,840
we need to do that. Um pickle ball, we

543
00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,640
have a

544
00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,760
cute idea. We have a park with two

545
00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,520
pickleball courts that are well, two

546
00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,920
parks now with pickleball courts in

547
00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,280
North Hudson that are wildly popular,

548
00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,320
but if anybody knows who lives next to

549
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them,

550
00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,360
they're really loud.

551
00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:15,120
They really are, so um and I'm a

552
00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:17,760
pickleball player, so I can't same

553
00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:18,760
thing. Okay, those are my concerns right

554
00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,400
now.

555
00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:24,760
I think I got them all, but yeah.

556
00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,360
What? Okay, so thank you.

557
00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,800
Sorry.

558
00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:31,720
I'd rather be coaching lacrosse.

559
00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,880
» Uh I'm Adam Gunther. I'm at 273 Station

560
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Circle, so just down the road. Uh just a

561
00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,920
few points to add, I think, which is

562
00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:38,760
important. We have a dog we walk. We

563
00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,800
moved here from Woodbury, so we we left

564
00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:43,040
the, you know, concrete jungle of

565
00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,040
Woodbury to try to be in a more scenic

566
00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:47,160
neighborhood. Commenting on the cars in

567
00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,000
the roads, you I encourage all of you to

568
00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,440
drive this road tonight because you will

569
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,880
notice that the road exists and then all

570
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,920
of us property owners who try to get

571
00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,280
grass to grow, which I fight like hell

572
00:18:54,920 --> 00:19:00,280
every year to get growing, I have about

573
00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,480
a 3-ft gravel patch in front of our road

574
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,560
all the way down and around our

575
00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,360
neighborhood because you cannot get two

576
00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,840
garbage trucks to fit side by side on

577
00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:08,920
our street. So,

578
00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,320
not only are we wooded and we a lot of

579
00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,440
our property owners, we are one that

580
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,440
hate buckthorn, so we have none, but

581
00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,840
most our neighborhood does have

582
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,320
buckthorn to protect in privacy. When

583
00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,840
you're walking your dog at night turning

584
00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,760
the corner around this street, you are

585
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:23,600
lucky to not get killed. We've already

586
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:25,040
had a car crash into a tree because they

587
00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,600
were driving too quickly and erratically

588
00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:30,880
around that bend and wrecked a classic

589
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:33,280
car in our neighborhood on a 25 mph road

590
00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,160
because of a blind spot turn. So, I just

591
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,680
encourage you guys to traffic parts. I

592
00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,000
have an urban planning background. I

593
00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,920
eminent domain airports. We compensate

594
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,920
buildings and things time for airports

595
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,600
and airspace analysis. So,

596
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,960
I'm all very familiar with rezoning, and

597
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,400
I just encourage you to be very mindful

598
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,760
when you rezone something as what we've

599
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:53,600
said. You can't undo it easily. Um, and

600
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,040
this is a really big impact to most

601
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,280
people in North Hudson who live behind

602
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,360
this development. So, just putting that

603
00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,520
out there.

604
00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:05,400
» Thank you, Adam.

605
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,400
Anybody else? Public comments?

606
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:20,120
» My name is Barb Coffee. I live at 560

607
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:23,280
Summers Landing Road North.

608
00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:25,240
Um, our property butts exactly behind

609
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,800
that um

610
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,120
piece of property.

611
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,920
I'm I'm not going to say anything about

612
00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:33,920
the three-story building, but that's

613
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:35,800
ridiculous in in that spot. Um,

614
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:39,600
I'm wondering how far the building is

615
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:41,920
from the back the west lot line.

616
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,440
How far is the building from that the

617
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,960
lot the west line?

618
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,440
» Um, again, [clears throat] it's just

619
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,280
placed on there.

620
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,600
Um,

621
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:52,120
there's setbacks. I think there's 30 ft.

622
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:54,280
You have the drive aisle, it might be 50

623
00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:59,200
60 ft maybe.

624
00:20:54,280 --> 00:21:02,120
» And where is the driveway coming out?

625
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,880
» North side, I believe. Or

626
00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:04,640
Yep.

627
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:07,640
Keep going up to the top, that gray

628
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,760
part. Nope. Nope, that's 30 Keep going

629
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,680
up.

630
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,360
» The driveway?

631
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,280
» So this

632
00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:13,000
» Underneath Station Lane. Right there,

633
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,400
right there, yeah.

634
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,160
» So does that go directly like into that

635
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,320
those people's houses

636
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,920
for one thing?

637
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,920
» Correct.

638
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,200
» The headlights, yes. Yeah, so the

639
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,560
headlights are going to go right into

640
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,920
those people's lots.

641
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:30,440
Um there was also talk about oh, we're

642
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,120
going to keep this existing tree line.

643
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,560
The only existing tree line is in my

644
00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:36,800
backyard. There are no other trees

645
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,680
there. Once those trees in the winter

646
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,120
are gone, there's nothing there to block

647
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,360
that

648
00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:43,960
building from my house.

649
00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:46,880
There are There are no trees back there

650
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:49,960
except what we have in our backyard.

651
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,080
So there's going to be something

652
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,560
You know, if you want to do this, put up

653
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,480
a 20-ft wall. I'd rather see a wall

654
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:58,880
along that

655
00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:01,400
that ledge than a three-story building.

656
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:03,480
Not quite sure.

657
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,480
I don't understand why we are keep

658
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:08,160
trying to

659
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:10,440
put something really big in that really

660
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,080
small piece of property

661
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,120
and why we have to keep rezoning it

662
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,240
bigger and bigger.

663
00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:19,120
Why can't we rezone it back to

664
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:21,000
residential and put some houses there?

665
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:22,800
I I I don't I don't understand why we

666
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,680
have to keep having something so

667
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,840
gigantic pushed into this small piece of

668
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,480
property.

669
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,440
And you say you put a lot of money into

670
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:33,280
this. I have a lot of money into my

671
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:35,960
house. So I'm guessing my property value

672
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:38,240
is not going to go up. If you look at

673
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:41,520
the places on North End and nothing

674
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,480
against them, the houses along there are

675
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,240
not

676
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,120
well-kept

677
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:50,520
and it's because they're in that

678
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:50,520
property area.

679
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,320
I get I agree with the pickleball court,

680
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,400
that's

681
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,200
um

682
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,640
I agree with the lighting. I I think

683
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,320
there's a lot of things that we're

684
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,600
talking about that we talked about with

685
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:07,320
this grocery store in 2008

686
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,840
that didn't make any sense then and they

687
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,236
don't make any sense now.

688
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,320
» Thank you, Barb. Thank you.

689
00:23:11,236 --> 00:23:16,640
» [clears throat]

690
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,640
» Anybody else? Public comments?

691
00:23:18,441 --> 00:23:20,461
» [clears throat]

692
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,480
» Good evening. Thank you for the

693
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,880
opportunity to speak. I'm Timothy

694
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:30,240
Higgins. I live at 355

695
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,200
Station Lane, which is a directly across

696
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,440
um

697
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,520
from the property that's being

698
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:38,200
discussed. And being living there 32

699
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:40,480
years, um the the traffic alone on

700
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:43,520
Station Lane because it

701
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:45,320
services more than just St. Croix

702
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,680
Station, but the other neighborhood to

703
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:50,640
the south and west. Um there's going to

704
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,360
be a significant impact to traffic

705
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,720
there. And one of my general concerns is

706
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:57,720
if everybody remembers the April 1st

707
00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:01,040
snowstorm where we had

708
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,280
14 in of heavy wet snow overnight. I'm

709
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,240
wondering what would happen if this

710
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,280
building caught fire and the fire

711
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,680
department had no access to Station

712
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:11,400
Lane. They certainly couldn't access the

713
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,400
building from Highway 35 because there's

714
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,640
no direct access there.

715
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,840
So, you're putting a lot of people's

716
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,600
lives potentially at risk.

717
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,160
Uh I'm questioning whether an insurance

718
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,920
company would even um

719
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:27,880
fund your project or support your

720
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:29,960
project because of that fact alone. Um

721
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,320
and it I just think it's a dangerous

722
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,880
situation.

723
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,280
Uh it's overcrowded. It's too noisy.

724
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,400
Everything that's already been said

725
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,007
before, but that's my spot.

726
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,027
» Thank you, Timothy.

727
00:24:39,007 --> 00:24:41,027
» [cough and clears throat]

728
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,800
» Anybody else?

729
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,232
Anybody else?

730
00:24:46,212 --> 00:24:48,232
» [cough and clears throat]

731
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,080
» One more time, anybody else for open

732
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:54,920
public hearing?

733
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:57,400
With that said, I'll close the public

734
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,400
hearing

735
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:03,520
and move into

736
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:06,680
any emotions made by a board member.

737
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,680
So, we can discuss this.

738
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:12,320
» I I move approval

739
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,680
of the rezoning.

740
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,960
» Very good. There is in your packet if

741
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,280
you want to read it, uh but uh but I we

742
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,960
can move ahead. Uh is there a second?

743
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,000
» Second.

744
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,560
» Okay, we have a second. Let's open

745
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,640
discussion.

746
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:27,080
Um board, yeah, any discussions as far

747
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,400
as the motion that's on the table?

748
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,280
» I think I would just add to the

749
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,360
neighborhood that the zoning right now

750
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,560
for the commercial, you know, could

751
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:37,440
bring a lot more traffic than what this

752
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:40,040
downsized multi-family plan is in place

753
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,680
from grocery that got proposed at one

754
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:45,520
time, a strip center, hardware stores,

755
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:48,360
automotive shop, gas station, you know,

756
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,360
so there could be a higher impact. I'm

757
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:52,680
appreciative that the developer came

758
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:53,800
back with a downsized version of the

759
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,480
plan.

760
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:58,120
Um

761
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,960
but the commercial could be a harder use

762
00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:02,847
in the neighborhood than the size of

763
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:04,867
this residential project.

764
00:26:02,847 --> 00:26:04,867
» [clears throat]

765
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,400
» Anybody else?

766
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,880
» I just like to say

767
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,080
we do hear you.

768
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,480
Um

769
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,040
if anybody's ever seen me in these

770
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,320
meetings before,

771
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,120
I'm big on to the next step. How many

772
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,360
trees?

773
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:24,600
How many trees will stay there?

774
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:26,760
Trees' life when it gets transplanted 2

775
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:30,080
or 3 years. Yes, they may say that

776
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:32,480
they're going to plant 50.

777
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:35,920
I'm the stickler that says still has to

778
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:38,120
be 50 in 2 year 10 years.

779
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,520
I like going for that. I understand the

780
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:42,960
lighting.

781
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:45,600
Um that there is timed lighting, low

782
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,520
lighting, down face lighting. I hear

783
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,400
your concerns. This is why we're here.

784
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,320
We do listen to you

785
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,520
and we do agree that

786
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,480
we live here, we understand that you

787
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,240
live here.

788
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,520
This is going to happen at some rate or

789
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,160
whatnot.

790
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,560
Um

791
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,418
I hear your concerns, we all do, and we

792
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,080
know that we want to keep this

793
00:27:04,418 --> 00:27:06,920
» [clears throat]

794
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,720
» Um

795
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:12,240
still our neighborhood, still our area.

796
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:15,080
This is going to grow. I know I think

797
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:18,440
moving it from commercial to residential

798
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,920
I'd like to see medium density in RM2.

799
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:23,160
Um

800
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:27,400
that way we're hearing what you say.

801
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:29,480
RM2 is still going to be possible 45 ft.

802
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,200
But if we go

803
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:34,800
down

804
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:36,840
it is going to be a lower density.

805
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,400
That way they'll still have the same

806
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,520
parking area.

807
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,640
It's going to cut it down.

808
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:47,000
If I had to go someplace, I'd like to

809
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:50,160
see medium density and not high density.

810
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:52,320
I'd like to see that we're working

811
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,840
with the developer, but also listening

812
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,640
to you.

813
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,960
This is going to happen.

814
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,680
It's not going to be commercial, it's

815
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,960
going to be residential,

816
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,320
and I'd like to see where we could go

817
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:04,440
from there.

818
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,440
That's my word on it.

819
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,360
» I'm I guess I'm concerned with the

820
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,229
three-story

821
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,480
and the impact that'll have

822
00:28:11,229 --> 00:28:12,960
» [clears throat]

823
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,760
» On the neighborhood and just the sight

824
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,920
lines that people have.

825
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,160
I

826
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,720
personally tend to listen to the

827
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,520
stakeholders, which have spoken,

828
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,520
and I'm sympathetic to their points of

829
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,160
view.

830
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:27,040
Um I am very, very concerned about

831
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,160
traffic patterns,

832
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:32,120
what that means if in fact we have

833
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:34,360
difficulty, if the lanes are narrow,

834
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,760
um what that's going to mean to fire

835
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,560
trucks,

836
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,400
and just day-to-day traffic.

837
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,520
Um

838
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,360
people live here for a reason, and

839
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:47,240
people have stated that.

840
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:50,120
Um and I I am sympathetic to that. So,

841
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,960
I'm not in favor.

842
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,360
» Good.

843
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,320
I guess one thing I did not get to put

844
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,640
in, I wish there was stoplights there. I

845
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,960
wish there was a crossing path there. I

846
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,880
wish St. Croix County would do

847
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:04,040
something. I'd love to see the traffic

848
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,120
slow down coming into town. I'd love to

849
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,000
see it portioned out where the people

850
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,040
leaving Station Lane get a chance to

851
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,400
leave. I'd like to see everybody. I wish

852
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,840
there was a crosswalk. I wish there was

853
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,600
stoplights.

854
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,560
I also wish that for that. I just wish

855
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,320
it would be safer to slow people coming

856
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,760
down into town.

857
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,840
And I mean, I'd like to see that myself,

858
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,200
too.

859
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,720
But, that's a St. Croix County thing,

860
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,840
so.

861
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,840
» Actually, there is a crosswalk.

862
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,880
» There is. But, if there was stoplights

863
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,760
there,

864
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,080
it would help

865
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,960
» Yeah.

866
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,760
» Slow it down.

867
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,080
» 50 cars pulling into a crosswalk,

868
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,840
though, you're going to risk inherently

869
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,360
50 times more people getting hit in a

870
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,480
crosswalk where you're concerned about

871
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,560
safety. I'm just putting that

872
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,360
perspective

873
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,600
out there as well.

874
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,840
» I

875
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:47,120
So, I'm I'm for this. I was for it the

876
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:50,320
first time, but I understand it was

877
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:52,280
too large and way out of scope. So, I do

878
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,440
appreciate your work on

879
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:57,640
bringing it down. And obviously, those

880
00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:00,160
other things come later, like you said.

881
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,480
And Tim, you have you have stated.

882
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,000
I

883
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,360
um I

884
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,680
I understand the

885
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,720
the

886
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,040
thoughts and fears and all of those

887
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,520
things and the frustrations of the

888
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:17,560
people who live around that area. But,

889
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:20,240
there is a vacant lot there.

890
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:22,400
It's going to be developed, whether it's

891
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,840
commercial or

892
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,920
um

893
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,320
you know, rezoned.

894
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,800
And

895
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,600
I think something needs to be done with

896
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,120
the lot. I like this for the lot over

897
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,440
commercial, because I agree that

898
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:39,040
commercial is going to add more traffic,

899
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,600
more like the QuickTrip is a bit

900
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,240
uh you know, right now with cars coming

901
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,040
in and out. I think a lot of these

902
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:48,920
things are

903
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:52,040
NIMBY tropes and I I agree and disagree

904
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:54,760
with with some of the residents. So, I

905
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,760
I'm for it.

906
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,800
» Any other comments other than any other

907
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,800
additional?

908
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,160
» I took a little bit on the financial

909
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,040
side, so I looked into some of the tax

910
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,280
base and what this would bring cuz I

911
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,680
think it's important what's going to

912
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,960
help our levy.

913
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,720
Um

914
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,640
the strip mall on Summer Street that

915
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:17,520
brings in like $9,000 a year for taxes.

916
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:19,080
The QuickTrip brings in $28,000 a year.

917
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,640
One of our Malibu apartments I think

918
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,320
brings close to

919
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,280
$60,000 a year for taxes.

920
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,040
So, you can just kind of see the

921
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,360
different levels of taxes. If it goes

922
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,600
commercial, potentially we could get

923
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,800
something like if it's on Summer Street

924
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,280
where it's only $9,000 a year for tax

925
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,280
base.

926
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,640
And

927
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,160
believe me, [clears throat] um our taxes

928
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,640
are of course, you know, are high, but

929
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,680
it's we're still one of the lowest tax

930
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,486
base in in the state of Wisconsin, the

931
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,920
Village of North Hudson is.

932
00:31:41,486 --> 00:31:44,800
» [clears throat]

933
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,720
» This is it this is probably the only

934
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,600
opportunity to keep that tax base at a

935
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,240
at a you know, to help with that overall

936
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,960
levy side of it.

937
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,680
And

938
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,400
if a residential home would be in there,

939
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,440
they're a lot less tax base and it would

940
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,480
be something like an RM3 or RM2 base

941
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,760
that that you probably proposed.

942
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,400
So, I that's [clears throat] the angle

943
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,720
I'm looking at.

944
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,032
Any other additional comments by the

945
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,052
board?

946
00:32:07,032 --> 00:32:09,052
» [clears throat]

947
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,080
» Uh we have a motion on the on the on the

948
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,520
table.

949
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:19,080
If there's no other additional comments,

950
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:20,880
I guess we'll vote. Roderick Anderson.

951
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,840
» I approve.

952
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,760
» Candace.

953
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,560
» Yes.

954
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,120
» Uh Tim's absent. Bill.

955
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,040
» Yes.

956
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,920
» Jared.

957
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,480
» I'm going to say no to the RM3.

958
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,840
» Okay. And Randall.

959
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,040
» No.

960
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:39,400
» And Tim's eyes yes, so it passes for the

961
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:42,000
rezoning to RM3. The next step, of

962
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,400
course, it goes to the village board

963
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,520
where they'll they'll go through the

964
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,280
same scenario that we're doing here

965
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,720
right now, and that has to be approved

966
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,320
at that level.

967
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,440
I thank you guys all for coming. I thank

968
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,000
you develop for coming. I thank for the

969
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,280
community coming.

970
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,080
This is what it's

971
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,400
we want [clears throat] to see at these

972
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,840
type of meetings.

973
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,080
» So, just to be clear, there won't be

974
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,080
another public hearing?

975
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,200
» There will not be another public

976
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,280
hearing, no. Yeah. But, you have

977
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,040
opportunity to speak because it's going

978
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,360
to be on the agenda.

979
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,280
» Mhm.

980
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,840
» Right?

981
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,080
» Yeah, and and if

982
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,320
» So, we're not having a public hearing

983
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,040
about this stuff that you said we were

984
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,720
going to get to discuss about moving

985
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,720
forward? So, we just approved rezoning?

986
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,160
» Yeah, we did we just approved the

987
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,960
rezoning of it. There's still he has to

988
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,080
they still have to go through the

989
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,400
conditional use permit and all that

990
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,720
stuff.

991
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,703
» But, there's no public hearing to

992
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,000
discuss that?

993
00:33:21,703 --> 00:33:24,680
» [clears throat]

994
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,880
» Well, this is the public hearing

995
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,360
for the rezoning.

996
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,000
» Yeah.

997
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,080
» Right.

998
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,640
» So, there's

999
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,800
there's more steps after before they can

1000
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,240
actually break ground.

1001
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,760
And in those

1002
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,000
instances, there'll be other

1003
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,480
opportunities for public input.

1004
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,240
» Yeah.

1005
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:43,000
» But, I didn't want it to be

1006
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,920
misunderstood that the village board is

1007
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,280
not going to hold another public hearing

1008
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,720
on the rezoning

1009
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,880
» Right.

1010
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:54,800
» At the board level. This is this was

1011
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,800
the public hearing for the rezone.

1012
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,760
» The board has to approve the vote.

1013
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,920
» This is a recommendation

1014
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,400
» We're just recommending.

1015
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,880
» Yeah.

1016
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:05,160
» And then the village board

1017
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,680
» The village board can approve or deny.

1018
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,720
» Yep.

1019
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,399
» Or

1020
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,399
Yeah, this is a recommending body only.

1021
00:34:09,399 --> 00:34:14,480
» Yeah, this is just a recommending

1022
00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:15,000
» This keeps it from being commercial.

1023
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,068
Thank you.

1024
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,720
» Yes.

1025
00:34:16,068 --> 00:34:18,480
» [clears throat]

1026
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:19,679
» Uh little administrative stuff here. Um

1027
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,840
and I apologize for missing this. I'll

1028
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,960
let you review and approve the minutes

1029
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:26,960
from the planning commission meeting of

1030
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:28,200
March 18th, 2026 and May 20th, 2026.

1031
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,720
I'll take a motion.

1032
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,720
» I move to approve the minutes.

1033
00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:32,159
» Second.

1034
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:34,520
» Second.

1035
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:38,159
» Second. Great.

1036
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:39,440
Any comments, corrections, or changes?

1037
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,120
All right. With that said, all in favor

1038
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,120
say I.

1039
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,360
» I.

1040
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,360
» I.

1041
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,800
» All right. Now we open up the public

1042
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,720
hearing for proposed

1043
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,800
um

1044
00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:54,360
to add a parking area on Park Avenue

1045
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:56,520
North and Third Street North,

1046
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,640
the Browns Beach parking lot.

1047
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,560
With that said, um we open up the public

1048
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,600
hearing. Anyone can come up and speak

1049
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,600
and talk in front of the mic. Address

1050
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,160
and name.

1051
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,920
And we'll go from there.

1052
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:14,360
» All right. Good evening. Wendy Fritz. I

1053
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:16,440
live at 613 Galahad Road. And I'll I'll

1054
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,040
make it brief. I think the biggest

1055
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,200
things I wanted to talk about, this has

1056
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,880
been a ongoing topic for months.

1057
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,160
Actually, the first time we ever talked

1058
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,000
about the vacated or non-vacated road

1059
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:31,080
was 2 years ago in July.

1060
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:33,520
Um I still have big concerns about the

1061
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,840
transparency and the communication and

1062
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,040
the follow-up.

1063
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,840
And frankly, how we even got here to the

1064
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:43,200
need. So it appears that Matt Howell

1065
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:45,680
proposed this. Funding got approved.

1066
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,760
When we asked for

1067
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,120
proof of the need for this, because

1068
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,480
that's what was expressed, we need to

1069
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,920
build this,

1070
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,200
um we got two letters or two notes of

1071
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,680
people that were calling in and one

1072
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,760
wasn't even regarding um complaining

1073
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:03,280
about parking availability.

1074
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:05,920
So it for me, it's still puzzling um

1075
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:09,560
that we're here. There was a $45,000

1076
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:11,080
budget approved. And they did not do an

1077
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,040
RFP.

1078
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,960
They awarded it to one person, which

1079
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:18,040
legally, if it's over $25,000, you need

1080
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,760
to do that. So I think that's how it

1081
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,360
then got to the plan commission, because

1082
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:26,080
not all the processes were followed.

1083
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:28,680
Um we on October 15th meeting spent a

1084
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,800
lot of time talking about legally can

1085
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,920
this happen? We'll let our attorney talk

1086
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,720
about the legalities and for once and

1087
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:38,080
for all, is it a road? If we agree it's

1088
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:39,440
a vacated road, can you make it into a

1089
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,280
parking lot? There's some legal

1090
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,560
questions about that.

1091
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,400
Um we did have a follow-on meeting with

1092
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:49,360
Paul, the village attorney as well as

1093
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,440
Nolan and my husband Pete, and we have

1094
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,120
not still not gotten any feedback or

1095
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,080
follow-up. We proposed a couple of

1096
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:59,040
options. One, we wanted those legal

1097
00:36:55,080 --> 00:37:01,680
questions answered. Two, we said,

1098
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:04,440
if you are you know, we need answers,

1099
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,880
but what about striping the spots that

1100
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,720
are there? There's plenty of room. We

1101
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,480
live there. We see the traffic all the

1102
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,640
time. There's not very many people

1103
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,080
there.

1104
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,720
Striping the spots would cost probably a

1105
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,640
couple hundred dollars instead of

1106
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:20,600
$45,000.

1107
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:23,960
Meanwhile, they cleared part of it, cut

1108
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:27,040
down the trees, Jared, and then graded

1109
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:29,840
it, which goes right into our yard. So,

1110
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:32,600
it's not done, but it's now I think half

1111
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,040
spent and not really a good solution.

1112
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,600
It's proposed that they're going to be

1113
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,920
snow put in there. Again, we have an

1114
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,000
issue with snow melt that close to the

1115
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,240
river.

1116
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,160
Um [clears throat]

1117
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:46,360
so, I I I am still puzzled why we can't

1118
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,760
get communication and follow-up and we

1119
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,760
hope that we get some clarity here on

1120
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,040
is it legal?

1121
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,320
What's the need and should we spend the

1122
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,680
taxpayers money that way? Thank you.

1123
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,120
» Thank you, Wendy. Good stuff. Good

1124
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:02,160
information.

1125
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,160
Anyone else? Yeah, thank you.

1126
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,640
» Uh Pete Garman, 613 Galahad Road, North

1127
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,480
Hudson here.

1128
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:14,160
Um I like to reiterate um what Wendy

1129
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,760
said is how did we get here?

1130
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:19,000
Um what was the need? Was there a study?

1131
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,080
Um I talked to Russ last time last

1132
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,760
meeting and

1133
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,680
he didn't think there was no study done.

1134
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,400
He didn't know how it got here.

1135
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,080
Um I

1136
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,240
in that October meeting I put together a

1137
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,160
plan

1138
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:33,800
showing that there's room for ambulance

1139
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:36,760
here. So, I measured the road.

1140
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:39,440
Um there's room for eight spots.

1141
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,280
They're all very large ones, too, um on

1142
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,720
that existing road.

1143
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,200
Eight spots pretty much accommodates

1144
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:47,280
that beach down there. That beach is

1145
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,000
only 50 ft wide.

1146
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,560
I mean, it's small.

1147
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,760
And why we want to build a huge parking

1148
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,440
lot

1149
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,960
and to for nothing?

1150
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,520
That parking lot will never be used.

1151
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,560
It's not used now.

1152
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,240
It'll never be used.

1153
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,600
Um you can use that money right across

1154
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:05,680
the street and pave that parking lot

1155
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,200
over there. Sure would be nice to have

1156
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,360
that one paved.

1157
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,640
We got a gravel parking lot over there.

1158
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,320
It's a lot better use of the money.

1159
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,040
Um number two is is

1160
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,920
have we figured out does the village

1161
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:23,320
have the authority

1162
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:23,320
um to take our use of that road away?

1163
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,040
And our neighbors' use.

1164
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,000
And that's a road, then I should be able

1165
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,680
to use it. You put a parking lot there,

1166
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,240
I cannot use it.

1167
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,560
You took away my rights.

1168
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:39,800
And then and I don't believe that's

1169
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,480
um legal. Um

1170
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,600
Next question is how much is this going

1171
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,040
to cost? I want to know what we spent

1172
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,240
beforehand

1173
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,600
and how much it's going to cost to fill

1174
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:48,960
that thing up with the at least another

1175
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,680
foot of gravel

1176
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,320
to make it drain towards the parking lot

1177
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,720
or towards the street

1178
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,000
and not onto our property. Right now,

1179
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,640
it's been draining onto our property for

1180
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,400
9 months.

1181
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,360
And nobody fixes it. If I did this,

1182
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,040
the village would be all over my

1183
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,800
backside making me

1184
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,360
fix this thing. And there just sits. Got

1185
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,960
last year's leaves still laying in the

1186
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,080
middle of it. Nothing's ever gets

1187
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,800
maintained on there. I mow the grass in

1188
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,040
the beach because I hate looking at it.

1189
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,920
Um [snorts]

1190
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,720
so,

1191
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,360
that's another thing I we to talk about,

1192
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:19,480
but the biggest thing is

1193
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,080
it's much is this going to cost the

1194
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,360
taxpayers?

1195
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,200
Now, that we have to rectify it. And

1196
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,920
what about um

1197
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,360
the drainage to the river? Has the DNR

1198
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,840
been instructed in

1199
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,840
can this be can you drain that parking

1200
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,880
lot to the river?

1201
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,880
That's another question I have.

1202
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,560
Um

1203
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,320
and then the [snorts] um proposed

1204
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,120
handicap spot.

1205
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,280
That's kind of a far away spot for a

1206
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,360
person to have a handicap. I proposed it

1207
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,600
to be up front.

1208
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,560
Um it's paint you know, paint stripes

1209
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,320
there.

1210
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,840
Paint an H or put a sign there handicap

1211
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:55,000
spot.

1212
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:57,040
It'll work. Um

1213
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,840
Back on October 15th, we had about 20

1214
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,280
neighbors down here

1215
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,440
uh to you know, in support of this um

1216
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,440
not building this parking lot.

1217
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,040
And they can't keep coming to these

1218
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,640
meetings.

1219
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,600
Um [snorts]

1220
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,480
these meetings go on forever.

1221
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,840
I mean, this is goes on forever.

1222
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,760
We still haven't had any

1223
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,480
um

1224
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:20,000
Who owns that road?

1225
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,760
Again, if it gets vacated, it goes back

1226
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,800
to the citizens, not the not the

1227
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,640
village. So, how can the village claim

1228
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,680
that they own it

1229
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,200
if they're they have no title to it? And

1230
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,760
if it got vacated, it goes back to the

1231
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,240
Jason landowners.

1232
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,400
If the village owned it

1233
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:35,560
and it got vacated, it'd go to the

1234
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,240
village. So, I don't believe the village

1235
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,720
owns that road. Until I see a deed, I'm

1236
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:41,240
going to say no.

1237
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:41,240
Um

1238
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,280
I guess that's about it. That's all I

1239
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,600
got.

1240
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,360
» I just want to clarify you and Wendy are

1241
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,480
suggesting um putting parking uh stripes

1242
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,200
whatever on Third Avenue on the road.

1243
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,800
» Yes.

1244
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,440
Yeah. [snorts]

1245
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,680
» Okay. So, I want to clarify that. Yeah.

1246
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,520
» That way it's organized. You need

1247
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,640
organized parking.

1248
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,480
If you don't have organized parking, you

1249
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,600
only can get five cars there. Simple

1250
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,640
paint

1251
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,120
designated spots.

1252
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,680
» Yeah.

1253
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,600
» It's a solution to everything.

1254
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,560
Right, Kevin. Striping's good.

1255
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,000
» Yeah, I

1256
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,400
I know there's been some concerns with

1257
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,680
some of [snorts] the people that have

1258
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,160
parked on the

1259
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,360
road that they blocked some of his

1260
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,360
driveways

1261
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,400
where this little weenie then

1262
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,960
» Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to have you

1263
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,520
come up and talk a little bit about what

1264
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,200
you found in C record, but that's good

1265
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,600
stuff, Pete. No, I appreciate that. I

1266
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,320
mean I mean I I I agree with you

1267
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,200
totally. We've

1268
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,160
been through

1269
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,560
parks committee, it's been through

1270
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,120
public works, it's been through public

1271
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,160
safety, we've been here twice, maybe

1272
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,480
three times I think here. So, it's yeah,

1273
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,360
we've had a lot of

1274
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,840
We've wasted a lot of our time on this.

1275
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,040
So, I think

1276
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,920
» I just think there's better ways to

1277
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,680
spend the village's taxpayers money than

1278
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,640
a useless park in that will only be used

1279
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,880
for collecting snow.

1280
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:48,880
» Yeah.

1281
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,880
» And that's what this whole thing was

1282
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,320
predicated around. So, he had a place to

1283
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,840
put his snow.

1284
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,560
Thank you.

1285
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,560
» Thank you, Pete.

1286
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,400
» Attorney Nolan Frantey, I represent Pete

1287
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,760
Gartman and Wendy Fritz. I'm not going

1288
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,480
to reiterate the all of the concerns

1289
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,920
that they raised. I think clearly there

1290
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,640
are some practical concerns.

1291
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,080
One, with the way this was handled, just

1292
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,440
from a communication perspective and a

1293
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,400
transparency perspective, and two, we're

1294
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,080
disregarding whether there's a need for

1295
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,440
this and if there is a need for

1296
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,280
additional parking if this is the right

1297
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,440
solution. We don't feel like it is the

1298
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,720
right solution, we proposed an

1299
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,320
alternative.

1300
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:29,920
Really didn't get any feedback, which

1301
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:33,040
would have been nice to have on whether

1302
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,760
that maybe was or wasn't um acceptable

1303
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,560
to the village. Instead, we got a new

1304
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:40,720
proposal, which puts parking spaces

1305
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:42,480
where they would block access to their

1306
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:44,960
property if it was put in as a parking

1307
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:47,560
lot. Now, legally, um I'd submitted

1308
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,920
before, I think the village kind of has

1309
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:52,160
a Catch-22 problem here, where they're

1310
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,560
relying on a 1910 plat to say that this

1311
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,440
is a public roadway.

1312
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,920
Now, I think it's certainly possible,

1313
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:02,320
based on the historical record, that

1314
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:04,520
this roadway was basically abandoned and

1315
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,600
in that case it would need to be

1316
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,000
uh vacated and it would go to the

1317
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,040
adjoining landowners, not to the

1318
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,520
village. Um but let's accept for just

1319
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,040
for the purposes of argument that it is

1320
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,600
a public roadway, well then the question

1321
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,040
is what can you do with it? Um

1322
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,440
under the same statute that I believe

1323
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,960
the village is relying on to say that

1324
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,800
this is a public roadway, section 239,

1325
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,360
sorry, section 236.29

1326
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,480
in the platting chapter of Wisconsin

1327
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,120
statutes, it says that areas that are

1328
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,120
dedicated

1329
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,920
to the public

1330
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,160
for streets, alleys, ways, commons, or

1331
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,200
other public uses as designated on said

1332
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,120
plat shall be held by the town, city, or

1333
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:40,600
village in which such plat is situated

1334
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,360
in trust to and for such uses and

1335
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,280
purposes. Well, that would raise the

1336
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,560
question, can we now build a parking lot

1337
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,920
here if it's being held by the village

1338
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,680
for a roadway? I don't think so. You

1339
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,600
could probably have maybe some parking

1340
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:55,720
along a roadway, but you cannot block

1341
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,720
the uh public access to these parcels,

1342
00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:58,640
which is what I think this would

1343
00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:00,360
essentially do. So, I think that if the

1344
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,120
village even wants to go through with

1345
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,360
this, even assuming that they have title

1346
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:07,400
to it, I think they would have to do a

1347
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:10,200
procedure probably under section 236.43

1348
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,720
and amend that plat to allow this to be

1349
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,920
a parking lot instead of a public

1350
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:14,320
roadway.

1351
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,800
So, I think those are some of the legal

1352
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,120
issues. I mean, there's clearly other

1353
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,360
issues here, environmental environmental

1354
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,480
issues, which I don't think really have

1355
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,720
been addressed at all uh regarding the

1356
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,880
discharge of surface water potentially

1357
00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:27,240
into the St. Croix River. I think that's

1358
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,400
something that should have been uh

1359
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:32,000
looked into and addressed prior to this

1360
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:34,840
meeting and which could be a basis for a

1361
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,920
legal challenge to this. Um

1362
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,320
I hope the village and

1363
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,960
uh Pete and Wendy are able to reach an

1364
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,360
agreement on a better way to do this um

1365
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,080
that is acceptable cuz they have

1366
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,040
proposed uh an alternative that they

1367
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,840
think is acceptable. I still hope that

1368
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,600
that is the resolution here.

1369
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,280
Um but at this point, we just feel like

1370
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,680
there are some serious issues with both

1371
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,000
the process and the legality for this

1372
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,320
parking lot.

1373
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,440
» Thank you, Nolan.

1374
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:03,200
Appreciate the information.

1375
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,040
Anyone else?

1376
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,040
Yes, please. Come on up.

1377
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:23,800
» My name is Michelle Drevnick and I live

1378
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:27,000
at 539 Galahad and I own the

1379
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:32,080
um property on the other side of Browns

1380
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:35,440
Beach at 617 Galahad.

1381
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,440
And um

1382
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:42,360
I've got notes on meetings

1383
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:47,680
about the Browns Beach going back to

1384
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:47,680
Wens- Wednesday, November 2nd, 1994.

1385
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:56,120
So, it's been a topic

1386
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:58,920
possibly longer than this, but

1387
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:01,000
I'd be glad to let you read it.

1388
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:05,240
Going back

1389
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:08,080
then, I have a note that I wrote

1390
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:12,200
where I said

1391
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:15,520
um about that property it's they don't

1392
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:17,560
own the property, it's a platted street.

1393
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,680
They don't have repairing rights and

1394
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:23,600
they cannot build on it.

1395
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:27,360
Cannot build on a street right-of-way.

1396
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:29,960
That's what I wrote back in 1994.

1397
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,960
Um

1398
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,880
I I feel that there's one problem with

1399
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,240
just having

1400
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,240
Third

1401
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:46,160
Third Street, I think.

1402
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:49,640
Going down is people do tend to park

1403
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:52,160
either in our driveway or Mitchell's or

1404
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:54,880
block the driveway. My tenant has told

1405
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,880
me on numerous times he's had to go up

1406
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,320
there

1407
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,880
and go down to the beach because he

1408
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:03,880
can't get out of his driveway. So, he

1409
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:06,880
has to go find somebody

1410
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:09,440
to move their car.

1411
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,440
Um

1412
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:15,240
So, or they use the driveways for

1413
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:18,160
turnaround.

1414
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:18,160
But, um

1415
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:24,360
Another thing that I wanted to bring up

1416
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:28,440
about it it was a couple years ago

1417
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:30,880
when the new stairways were put in.

1418
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:33,280
So, I think that was 2 years ago.

1419
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,000
And I was promised at the time the trees

1420
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,800
were going to be put back onto my

1421
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:40,440
property to replace the ones that were

1422
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,920
taken down.

1423
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:45,400
And when that

1424
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:48,360
walkway was put in,

1425
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:51,080
they put the edge of the walkway exactly

1426
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:54,120
on the edge of the property line.

1427
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,800
They didn't leave any space between the

1428
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:59,440
villages

1429
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:03,200
walkway and my property, which they had

1430
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:05,320
plenty of space on the other time on the

1431
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,800
other side and they didn't.

1432
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,760
And now

1433
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:12,680
because of poor planning

1434
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:16,080
anytime there's a heavy rain

1435
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:18,440
there's a big runoff down that

1436
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,880
gully there

1437
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:23,600
right onto the beach. So, you could go

1438
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:26,280
down there anytime. And so, there's dirt

1439
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:28,560
on the beach that shouldn't be there.

1440
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:31,200
And I'm sure some of that's getting into

1441
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,200
the river.

1442
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:36,400
So, I don't think those new steps were

1443
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,720
um

1444
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:43,680
planned as good as they could be.

1445
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:45,720
So, I think it's really important that

1446
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,160
whatever you're going to do now is going

1447
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:49,720
to be [laughter] the correct right

1448
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:53,360
thing.

1449
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:55,520
Cuz we don't need any more problems

1450
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,080
at Brown's Beach.

1451
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,960
Okay?

1452
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:01,640
» Thank you, Michelle. Good stuff.

1453
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,640
Anyone else?

1454
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,200
Yeah, certainly.

1455
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:18,720
» Hi, my name is Billie Jo Neilson. I live

1456
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:20,320
at 609 Galahad Road North. Um I just

1457
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:22,720
really wanted to piggyback off of what

1458
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,600
Michelle was just saying um about the

1459
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:26,840
property lines. She mentioned that the

1460
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,920
village um

1461
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,840
you know, it was right against her

1462
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,000
property line. So, my

1463
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,120
um

1464
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:37,040
my uh property line also lines the

1465
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:39,440
parking lot that is being built um for

1466
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,680
Brown's Beach and it's right at the edge

1467
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,120
of my property line. You can see the

1468
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:45,680
pink stake is right at the very, very

1469
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:49,280
edge of um where the parking lot ends.

1470
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:52,120
So, I'm feel fearful that if somebody is

1471
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,960
on that parking lot and steps off about

1472
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,120
a foot, they'll fall they land on my

1473
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,760
property.

1474
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,880
I might be liable for that. Kind of

1475
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,520
concerning.

1476
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,560
Um also, I frequent that beach and I

1477
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,960
also um agree that there's a lot of

1478
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:07,160
erosion when there's very heavy rainfall

1479
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,440
um and after the snow melts um

1480
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,280
underneath the steps and right next to

1481
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,120
the steps there's kind of a big gully

1482
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,680
that goes all the way down.

1483
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,400
So, I think that

1484
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:18,000
probably needs to be addressed before

1485
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,680
the um parking lot needs to be addressed

1486
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,600
because there's problems there. Those

1487
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,040
stairs are going to probably crumble and

1488
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,320
fall apart because there's a huge like

1489
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,960
wash out underneath them currently. Um

1490
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,240
there's a big kind of gully that comes

1491
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,320
through even on the beach. There's a

1492
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:35,680
huge eroded part that's been there since

1493
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:38,120
spring last year, I think that the beach

1494
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,200
is just kind of not in great shape. So,

1495
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,840
I think those things need to be

1496
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,200
addressed.

1497
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,560
» Billie, are you on the south side of the

1498
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,880
parking lot or on the east

1499
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,520
» Um I'm in the red house on Galahad.

1500
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:45,920
» Oh, okay.

1501
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,800
» So,

1502
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,880
» Yeah, I know you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1503
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,440
» Side of the beach? Yeah, yeah.

1504
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,560
Thank you.

1505
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,560
» Thank you very much. Good stuff.

1506
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,080
Anyone else?

1507
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,040
Might have Kevin come up.

1508
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:03,320
Kevin, can you I we're going to drill

1509
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,160
you for a few minutes here.

1510
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,800
» No problem.

1511
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,800
» Um

1512
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,480
So, this road, Kevin, I'll go ahead.

1513
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,840
Now, introduce yourself, please.

1514
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:16,040
» Uh so, Kevin O'Brien from Cedar

1515
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:17,800
Corporation, village engineer.

1516
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,200
» This this road is considered called Is

1517
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,640
it Lake Avenue?

1518
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,000
» Park.

1519
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,040
» Oh, Park Avenue. Park I'm sorry, Park

1520
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,800
Avenue. Park Avenue?

1521
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,560
» Yep.

1522
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,120
» Um so, listening to some of the

1523
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,920
questions

1524
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:32,080
and comments,

1525
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,960
um it is a road, right?

1526
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,280
» It's basically a unimproved

1527
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,880
right-of-way.

1528
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,440
So, I mean, [clears throat] it is a very

1529
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,960
old plat.

1530
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,880
Um there have been over the years there

1531
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,240
has been portions of it that have been

1532
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,440
vacated.

1533
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:49,280
And you can see it on the village's maps

1534
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,236
of which areas were,

1535
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:50,320
but

1536
00:52:50,236 --> 00:52:52,960
» [clears throat]

1537
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,720
» In this particular area,

1538
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,000
we weren't able to find any

1539
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:59,560
documentation where it had, you know,

1540
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,720
legally been vacated back to the

1541
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,600
property owners. So,

1542
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:04,560
um [clears throat]

1543
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:07,600
for some reason the road itself had

1544
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:10,680
never ever been improved.

1545
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:13,360
» So, we still can

1546
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:15,160
work with that Park Avenue, right?

1547
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,960
Even if this is in or not in I mean if

1548
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:21,240
or if it does develop?

1549
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:23,080
» Yes, and so, we provided um

1550
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:24,640
a drawing

1551
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,280
um as part of your packet.

1552
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,160
» Yep.

1553
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:32,360
» A proposed layout. And you can see

1554
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:35,520
within that 50-ft right-of-way, we have

1555
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:38,400
24 ft of pavement.

1556
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:40,680
And the goal was there is should you

1557
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,200
ever want to improve the road, you would

1558
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:45,800
still have access to two-way traffic

1559
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:48,280
going to the south or to the north. The

1560
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:51,560
parking would be offsetted

1561
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:53,160
to the west side of that. Um seven

1562
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,720
parking stalls, one of them being

1563
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,440
handicap.

1564
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:58,800
We show

1565
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:01,240
there would be a 3-ft buffer, so there'd

1566
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:03,760
be a 3-ft area from the asphalt to the

1567
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:05,760
property line, which would be grassed,

1568
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,320
and that would be on east

1569
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,440
on each side, the east and the west

1570
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,080
side.

1571
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,640
Um and you can see there is some

1572
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:16,360
drainage areas that are provided. So,

1573
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:18,440
everything would be conveyed

1574
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,240
to the east side of where the parking

1575
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:23,280
stalls would end.

1576
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:25,360
Um the biggest goal is so we don't

1577
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,240
like Pete had brought up

1578
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,200
have all the parking lot draining

1579
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:32,840
towards their property. Everything would

1580
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:34,960
come to almost like a V in the asphalt,

1581
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,760
and it would head north. I know there's

1582
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,520
been some concerns brought up about

1583
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,600
stormwater. You know, what the drainage,

1584
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,920
you know, what I'm just going to add

1585
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:45,920
here. There is

1586
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:48,080
you could put a little rain garden in up

1587
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,480
in that northwest corner where all that

1588
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,080
drainage would drain into.

1589
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,360
Village is pretty fortunate. You have

1590
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,000
pretty sandy soils, so a lot of that

1591
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:59,280
would actually infiltrate into the

1592
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:02,320
ground before it would overflow

1593
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:04,080
and head head to the what to the west.

1594
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,520
» So, help me understand Billy Joel's

1595
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,120
comment um

1596
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:12,240
they're literally her

1597
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:13,080
Park Avenue is between her lot and that

1598
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:14,240
» Between our house and

1599
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:14,960
» Between our house

1600
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:16,800
and their house.

1601
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,880
» Yeah, it would be between the two

1602
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,280
parcels, right?

1603
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,760
» Okay.

1604
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,040
» Yep. And we

1605
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,120
you know, one of the things that we were

1606
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,960
concerned about, too, is

1607
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,680
um

1608
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,840
the lights from the cars. So,

1609
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,800
you know, with the parcel that's to the

1610
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,440
east, it's fairly close to that

1611
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,360
right-of-way.

1612
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,080
So, and there's more buffer on the west

1613
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,080
side, so we

1614
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:42,480
um laid it out so the parking would

1615
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:44,480
actually be on the the western side.

1616
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,720
» Brown's Beach is not accessible at night

1617
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,080
anyway, so is it?

1618
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:49,440
Right? No, wait.

1619
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,440
» It is. Yeah, it is.

1620
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,800
» Wait, it shouldn't be. I think it closes

1621
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:52,760
at

1622
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,640
» At 9:00.

1623
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,120
» Okay.

1624
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:54,960
Yeah.

1625
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,520
» So, sir, Tyler

1626
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,360
» I guess it won't it won't be used at

1627
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,280
that time of year in the fall, so it

1628
00:55:58,360 --> 00:55:59,760
would be again useless.

1629
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,440
» Yeah.

1630
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,360
» Yeah.

1631
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,760
» Kevin, a question.

1632
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,480
» Yes.

1633
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,720
» You're going to have to fill that

1634
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,400
parking lot with about a foot and a half

1635
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:07,480
in the back to get it to drain.

1636
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,360
» Uh we hadn't we haven't got actually

1637
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:12,000
gone down there and actually surveyed

1638
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,800
what's been graded in here now.

1639
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,320
» I I surveyed it.

1640
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,760
» Okay.

1641
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,640
» It's about a foot and a half.

1642
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,360
» So, yes.

1643
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,520
» Now it's up about a foot.

1644
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,520
But now we're going to have 2 and 1/2 ft

1645
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,160
plus pavement. Let's say almost 3 ft.

1646
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:25,200
How are you going to get that not to

1647
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:27,920
slough slough off onto our property in 3

1648
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:30,160
ft and put grass in there?

1649
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,960
» Uh again, we'd have to look at it just

1650
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,920
to see what

1651
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,840
» And then

1652
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:38,200
by creating this parking lot on our side

1653
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,520
how are we going to access our our land?

1654
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,880
We want to put a driveway in there for

1655
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:44,160
another lot.

1656
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,600
» You would still have access off of Third

1657
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:45,000
Ave.

1658
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,720
» Third Ave.

1659
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,840
» No, but I want to use I want to use Lake

1660
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:50,520
Ave.

1661
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,520
» Well, you don't have

1662
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,800
» Let's focus.

1663
00:56:52,589 --> 00:56:54,360
» [clears throat]

1664
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,080
» You've got You've got two lots.

1665
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,280
» I

1666
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:56,920
» You have a lot here and there's one lot

1667
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:57,560
to the south.

1668
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,160
» My question is

1669
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,600
» The only way to the lot to the north is

1670
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,000
off of Third Ave.

1671
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,000
» Yeah.

1672
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,560
» The only the only public roadway that it

1673
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,400
abuts is this

1674
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,000
» Park Ave.

1675
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,040
» Park Ave. Yeah.

1676
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,760
My question is is

1677
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,480
do you have the legal right

1678
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:17,080
to to do this? To to take away my my

1679
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,080
right to use

1680
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,444
» Can I comment?

1681
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:19,800
» Yeah.

1682
00:57:19,444 --> 00:57:20,800
» [clears throat]

1683
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,400
» So,

1684
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:25,560
this is a platted road.

1685
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:28,600
You don't need a deed when you have a

1686
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:30,920
platted right-of-way, and you know that.

1687
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:33,640
How many plats have you done? You don't

1688
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:36,120
You don't need a deed. Okay?

1689
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:39,720
And if we

1690
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:43,280
if we go with your rationale here that

1691
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:45,360
Park Avenue is long since been vacated,

1692
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:48,280
what you're going to do is landlock all

1693
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:51,440
your neighbors along that road between

1694
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:54,200
Park Avenue and the river.

1695
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:56,920
Those people would be landlocked if this

1696
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,960
road was vacated and all that land went

1697
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,960
back.

1698
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,960
That's not going to happen.

1699
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,000
Because their only access

1700
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,640
their access is through that

1701
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,640
right-of-way.

1702
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,920
How do they get there?

1703
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:17,760
» So Chuck has his own driveway.

1704
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,680
Billy Joe has her own driveway. We have

1705
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,600
our own driveway.

1706
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,120
» I'm talking to the people to the south

1707
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,760
of you.

1708
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,960
» South?

1709
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,720
South of me?

1710
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,800
» That's Billy Joe.

1711
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,560
» That's Billy Joe.

1712
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,960
» No, actually to the south is is Frank

1713
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,960
» Yeah,

1714
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,120
but that's the thing. I have a different

1715
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,720
driveway.

1716
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,840
» But it goes through this

1717
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,560
» It's through the It's through the

1718
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,040
right-of-way.

1719
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,120
» Right-of-way park

1720
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,200
» That's what [clears throat] I'm saying.

1721
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,840
» Yep. That one don't look the does.

1722
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,760
» It's all through that right-of-way.

1723
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,040
» Debating that.

1724
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,760
» No.

1725
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,120
» We're saying if it's a road, how can you

1726
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,040
turn it into a parking lot?

1727
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,960
» Well,

1728
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,640
you can park on a road.

1729
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,640
Right?

1730
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,880
» I'm proposing that.

1731
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,120
» You can park on a road.

1732
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:58,040
» It's like Does this Does this mean the

1733
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:59,600
village back for a road?

1734
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,560
» 24-ft wide?

1735
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,000
» Is that it?

1736
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,480
» Okay.

1737
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,640
» Then it have to be curbed and guttered.

1738
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,880
» No, it doesn't have to be.

1739
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,560
» I could I could have built I could

1740
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,840
Anybody can build a road this size and

1741
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:11,320
it's going to be okay with the village?

1742
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:14,560
» Well, I mean it's a public roadway, so

1743
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:16,040
the village would have to construct it.

1744
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,640
» Don't they have to construct it to the

1745
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,240
same aspects that anybody else would?

1746
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,640
» But I mean

1747
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,600
» Yeah, we got to Okay, we we're we're Now

1748
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,640
we're turning into a debate.

1749
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:22,960
» Question of fact question

1750
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,360
» Yeah.

1751
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,920
» Is Is this even legal?

1752
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:26,760
» Well,

1753
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,520
» That's the biggest question.

1754
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,600
» We've heard that Yeah, I know. We

1755
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,920
We've heard this question. Yeah, I

1756
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,920
Yeah, I know. I mean, I appreciate the

1757
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:36,880
comments, but we heard it. So, one one

1758
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:38,320
one last comment then. So, um

1759
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,520
You've gone down seen it and all the

1760
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,040
activity that we're talking about here

1761
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,600
raising it and and run off and that

1762
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,640
stuff. There potentially might have to

1763
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,680
add more additional things to protect

1764
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,800
that run off to any of the property

1765
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,920
owners that these guys have, right?

1766
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,440
» Correct. Yes. Up in that northwest

1767
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,680
corner would be

1768
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,840
» And that northwest corner, yeah.

1769
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,040
» Yep. To put a little rain garden for,

1770
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,000
you know, a little storm water

1771
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,520
management. Cuz it's not a huge lot

1772
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,960
overall. Parking lot.

1773
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,320
» Any other questions for Kevin, board

1774
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,200
member?

1775
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:07,000
Or

1776
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:10,000
» Our width of Third Avenue now

1777
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:12,400
and then with the parking that's being

1778
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:15,440
utilized there, what type of width do we

1779
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:17,840
have for fire and emergency services to

1780
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:20,360
get into the beach and and those kind of

1781
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:22,040
things now? Does it function when

1782
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,560
there's cars in there and you feel

1783
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,280
comfortable with

1784
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:28,280
» Yeah, again, I'm I'm going to compare it

1785
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:30,280
to I would like to see a a turnaround

1786
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,760
like I proposed.

1787
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,000
Not this huge

1788
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:36,400
Not this huge monstrosity.

1789
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:39,080
If you built what I was proposing, it'd

1790
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:41,520
be 80% less money,

1791
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:44,200
lot less runoff, still have turnaround

1792
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:46,440
to get out, and some additional parking.

1793
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,880
And it's It's built this thing is just

1794
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,280
It's just a waste takes taxpayers'

1795
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,280
money.

1796
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:57,560
» Kevin, have you looked at recently the

1797
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,920
improvements that were made to the

1798
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:02,520
Browns Beach access

1799
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:05,040
and more specifically to some of the

1800
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,920
water storm water issues that are there?

1801
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:10,280
Have they been addressed? Have they been

1802
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:13,440
brought to public works attention or the

1803
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,440
original design of that on why we have

1804
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,480
it?

1805
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:18,800
» Well, I know that right after the

1806
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,800
construction was done,

1807
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,800
there was some [clears throat] erosion

1808
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:25,400
that was taking place along the steps.

1809
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:28,600
and a lot of that's because of you know

1810
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:30,520
like the grass needs to be established.

1811
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:33,920
And from what I

1812
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:35,520
remember, I know Gary Zappa with Zappa

1813
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,800
brothers went down and took care of

1814
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,680
that. I haven't been down there lately

1815
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,760
just to see

1816
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,920
how it looks.

1817
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,160
» Want to interrupt you. I don't want to

1818
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,480
interrupt but it's not fixed.

1819
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,600
» Okay, that's we need to know that.

1820
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,680
» It just runs all the way down so it's

1821
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,160
going to continue to erode.

1822
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,960
» We'll have to take a look at that.

1823
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,600
» You can't actually put towels in a lot

1824
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:56,160
of spots down there because there's so

1825
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:57,440
many gullies.

1826
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,800
» If that's part of this topic but it's

1827
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,840
good information to bring it's it's good

1828
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,640
to bring up to us though.

1829
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,080
» All of it needs to be riprap.

1830
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,840
» Yeah, we

1831
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,280
» Money needs to be spent on that.

1832
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,640
» Yeah,

1833
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,360
that's a public works problem.

1834
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,160
» Yeah, we can

1835
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:09,520
» Yeah.

1836
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,080
» We'll bring it

1837
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,200
» I'll note it.

1838
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,480
» Talked about that.

1839
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,720
» Okay, anything else?

1840
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,080
Thank you Kevin, good information.

1841
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,840
Appreciate that. Thank you guys.

1842
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,840
» Thank you. Thank you.

1843
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:25,280
» Okay, any anybody else?

1844
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,880
Anyone else?

1845
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,360
For open public hearing one more time,

1846
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,840
anyone else?

1847
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:33,320
Okay, I'll close the public hearing.

1848
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:35,600
Um I will take a motion so we can

1849
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,960
discuss discuss this as a board.

1850
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,040
Item number 10 so I'll take a motion

1851
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,120
from anyone.

1852
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:44,400
» I make a motion to recommend denial of

1853
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:47,000
the change of use to add a parking area.

1854
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,000
» I'll second.

1855
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,080
» Okay.

1856
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,200
Um let's discuss.

1857
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,200
» Yeah.

1858
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,600
I'd [clears throat] rather see a

1859
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,440
table this.

1860
01:02:55,600 --> 01:03:00,040
Um there are a lot of important

1861
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,720
questions that have arisen

1862
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:04,160
on the basis of the discussion and the

1863
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:06,680
input from the citizens. Particularly

1864
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:08,200
the erosion. Um

1865
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,920
that's a new issue. I've never heard

1866
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,320
about that.

1867
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,000
» Yeah, that's not really part of this

1868
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,320
though even though I I totally agree

1869
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,480
with you. I think that's a public works

1870
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:14,040
thing.

1871
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,720
» Is.

1872
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,120
» Yeah. And in the sense of

1873
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,440
resources and money

1874
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:17,960
» Okay.

1875
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:18,840
» To

1876
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,000
» I'm with you. Okay.

1877
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,280
» Yeah.

1878
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,320
» Good.

1879
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,960
Anything else? That's good.

1880
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,680
» I don't see the point of it really,

1881
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:32,720
honestly. So, if we're if there's

1882
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:34,280
already eight parking spots there,

1883
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,120
» Well, there really aren't any spots

1884
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,440
there at all.

1885
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:39,760
» Well, okay, let's say that there was cuz

1886
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:45,160
isn't it on

1887
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:47,200
here it shows that is there a possible

1888
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,160
eight on third?

1889
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:48,760
» Yes.

1890
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,760
» Correct.

1891
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:54,720
» And so, if there was to be

1892
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,040
spots put in there or, you know, lines

1893
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:58,920
to be put in there or something else

1894
01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:02,400
like that, but that's eight of the

1895
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:04,000
proposed what? 10 possible 12-ft radius

1896
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,400
there.

1897
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,960
Um,

1898
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,760
then we'd put too much parking there.

1899
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,760
Now,

1900
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:13,160
that's not including bicycles cuz a lot

1901
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,760
of people walk and bicycle down there.

1902
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:17,080
Um,

1903
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:20,680
I just don't really see that it's needed

1904
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:23,480
in my opinion. I mean, I would open up

1905
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:25,120
the whole Park Street area as

1906
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:28,720
a fire berm as much as I love trees,

1907
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:31,120
Wendy. Um, I'd like to make sure that

1908
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,600
if and when the time happens that

1909
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,040
you know, we have stuff like this

1910
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,240
available to us.

1911
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:38,480
But, I I I don't really see it needed

1912
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:41,320
and I don't like the idea of piling snow

1913
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:44,600
there. Snow is garbage

1914
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:47,240
um, and water and I don't think that's

1915
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:49,280
what that area needs.

1916
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:51,120
» Can I get 10 more minutes?

1917
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,440
» No, it's too late, hon. Sorry. Thank

1918
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:55,440
you, Michelle, though.

1919
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,440
Anybody down here?

1920
01:04:55,960 --> 01:05:00,240
» I Tim, if I could

1921
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:02,360
So, as far as the proposed parking area

1922
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:05,000
here that we see,

1923
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:07,960
I have to say the

1924
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,720
the the cost and the scope of this whole

1925
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,680
project with the stairs and the wall,

1926
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,520
which probably were necessary. They

1927
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:16,120
needed to replace so, I understand that

1928
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:18,600
and I understand someone's grant money.

1929
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:21,000
And now the parking lot is

1930
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:22,120
incongruous with the size of Brown's

1931
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:25,200
Beach.

1932
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:28,160
I don't think it needs to become a thing

1933
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,520
any more than it is. So, I would also

1934
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:32,040
agree that it is absolutely not

1935
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:35,200
necessary, hence my motion.

1936
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:38,240
I do like the

1937
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:41,280
idea of striping the road. So, thank you

1938
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:42,880
for suggesting that first. And I will

1939
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,840
always see your points. I agreed the

1940
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,160
first time around that this was not

1941
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,480
necessary.

1942
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,560
So,

1943
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,720
yeah, I just I am concerned though,

1944
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:53,720
however, with the

1945
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,080
sort of carve out the lot that's already

1946
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,520
there

1947
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:59,880
and what will happen

1948
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:01,160
with that because I think people are

1949
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:02,520
going to see that and use it as a

1950
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,960
natural just I'm just going to pull in

1951
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,800
and park.

1952
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,080
So, I guess I don't know how to remedy

1953
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,240
that,

1954
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,680
but

1955
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,280
um

1956
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,840
yeah.

1957
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,560
» That's one thing I did not get to say

1958
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,840
that I wanted to say, too, is

1959
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,640
whether or not there's a little

1960
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:19,040
turnaround, no parking signs, no trailer

1961
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,200
signs

1962
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,640
cuz I don't know if people go in there

1963
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:24,240
with canoes or whatever else, but I do

1964
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:25,760
want to keep it open to people, but um

1965
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,560
if if they want to

1966
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,480
you got ferries landing for canoes,

1967
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:32,120
kayaks, and stuff like that. So, maybe

1968
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:35,120
better signage, maybe better striping,

1969
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:38,480
um utilize what we do have

1970
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:40,520
and better signage, and you know,

1971
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:43,800
whatever we can do, I mean

1972
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,800
but yeah, I think it's overkill.

1973
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,520
» I think you can use that gravel, pull it

1974
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:51,240
back and then

1975
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:53,320
» Pete, Pete, yep. Anything else?

1976
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:55,640
My concern, of course, is what Michelle

1977
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,520
brings up, um the parking in front of

1978
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:56,880
driveways.

1979
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,560
» Yep.

1980
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,960
» Yeah, that's the main concern.

1981
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,880
» Better signage.

1982
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:04,840
» But that's I think one of the reasons

1983
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:06,560
why it was you know, brought brought in

1984
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,280
there, you know, actually.

1985
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,880
Um, but

1986
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:13,360
um, I

1987
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,600
I like the option of tabling it

1988
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:17,360
versus

1989
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:19,640
you know, just the fact is because

1990
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,760
I'd like to investigate more of, you

1991
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,360
know,

1992
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:24,360
a turnaround if that's a potential

1993
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,800
possibility in that area. And then

1994
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,880
striping the parking if that's a

1995
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:30,760
potential I mean on the street.

1996
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:32,960
» This just specifically for I mean,

1997
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:35,280
I guess I disagree with tabling it. That

1998
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,280
can be brought at another time yes by

1999
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:36,920
the parks department.

2000
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,600
» Exactly.

2001
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,160
» I really feel all of these are separate

2002
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:39,600
issues.

2003
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,880
» Okay.

2004
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:43,160
» Whatever you have going legally is not

2005
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,400
my concern.

2006
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:48,320
My concern is solely the parking lot in

2007
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:49,840
relation to this tiny little

2008
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:52,640
sandbox

2009
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:54,120
and how it's overkill and not necessary.

2010
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:56,360
And I think that's what we're voting on

2011
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,720
now. Other things can be brought at

2012
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,160
other times.

2013
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,560
» The proposal was fixing a reme- I mean

2014
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,680
fixing a problem. The problem was that

2015
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,000
they were parking in front of the church

2016
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,920
driveway.

2017
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:07,360
» Right. I guess we don't know if it

2018
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:10,160
actually is a huge problem. I mean, it

2019
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:11,440
it you have voiced concerns that perhaps

2020
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,520
people turning around in the driveways,

2021
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:15,520
maybe people blocking the driveways, but

2022
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,839
I don't know. I haven't heard anything

2023
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,440
else

2024
01:08:16,839 --> 01:08:19,040
on that.

2025
01:08:18,440 --> 01:08:19,720
So.

2026
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,200
» Okay.

2027
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,319
» I I would vote.

2028
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:25,839
» Yes, we're ready to vote. No other

2029
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:28,120
comments? No other questions? Roderick?

2030
01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:29,200
» I vote no.

2031
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,240
» Uh,

2032
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:30,600
Candace?

2033
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:34,359
» No.

2034
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:36,000
» I vote no. Tim is gone, absent. Bill?

2035
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:38,440
» No.

2036
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:41,040
» Okay, Jared? No. Randall?

2037
01:08:38,440 --> 01:08:41,040
» I vote yes.

2038
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:48,040
» Yes, is the motion is did not you're

2039
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:49,279
voting yes to didn't you you made a

2040
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,920
motion

2041
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:52,319
to not have it.

2042
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,279
» I'm sorry. We put the motion in the

2043
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:53,640
negative.

2044
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:55,880
» Yeah.

2045
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,600
» We did. I promise.

2046
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:56,920
» Yeah.

2047
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,319
» Yeah.

2048
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,000
» Yeah, there's a second.

2049
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,400
» Yeah, so let's just be clear what we're

2050
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,240
voting.

2051
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:01,612
» Exactly. I want to say that.

2052
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:01,839
» Yeah, let's go

2053
01:09:01,612 --> 01:09:02,520
» [laughter]

2054
01:09:01,839 --> 01:09:02,960
» Through this again.

2055
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,000
» You made the motion.

2056
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,680
» I have voted it in the positive and then

2057
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,240
» Okay, you made the motion and I wanted

2058
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:08,162
to make sure

2059
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:08,240
» Sorry.

2060
01:09:08,162 --> 01:09:09,560
» [laughter]

2061
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,400
» The motion was to

2062
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,480
» Deny.

2063
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:14,720
» Yeah, [clears throat] I second it.

2064
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:16,720
» Yep.

2065
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,880
So, you're saying no, do not don't deny

2066
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:21,480
it.

2067
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,480
» No, I thought the no was

2068
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:26,040
» I know, I shouldn't have

2069
01:09:24,440 --> 01:09:26,640
I shouldn't have done that.

2070
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,680
» Exactly.

2071
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,000
» Okay, then I vote yes.

2072
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,839
» That's what I'm talking Yeah, I'm step

2073
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,120
cuz

2074
01:09:29,839 --> 01:09:32,279
» Thank you for clarifying that.

2075
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,960
» Well, I when I when I hear down here

2076
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:35,600
what he's what he made the motion

2077
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:35,839
» Was there and I'm shouldn't have done

2078
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,560
that.

2079
01:09:35,839 --> 01:09:41,200
» Yeah, I thought the motion was negative

2080
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,319
» Yeah, you're saying you're saying yes, I

2081
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,960
agree with the motion is what you're

2082
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:46,040
saying. You're saying no to the motion

2083
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,400
and telling me that you were you're

2084
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,240
denying what the motion is. So, let's

2085
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,359
start this over again. Roderick.

2086
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,040
» Yes.

2087
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:52,120
» Candace.

2088
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,920
» Yes.

2089
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,560
» The motion is to deny it. Bill.

2090
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:54,960
» Yes.

2091
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:55,560
» Yes.

2092
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:56,600
» Jared.

2093
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,520
» Yes.

2094
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,000
» And Randall.

2095
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,560
» No.

2096
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,320
» Okay, you're saying no.

2097
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:06,440
All right, and I say no. All right, so

2098
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:07,600
it's it's denied. Um cuz there was 1 2 3

2099
01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:10,560
4

2100
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:13,160
four yeses and two nos. So, it has been

2101
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:14,480
denied. The motion was denied. So,

2102
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,720
thank you guys for your comments. Thank

2103
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:19,680
you guys for attending. I appreciate

2104
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:21,720
that. This is all about.

2105
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,800
Next up is the Pepper Fest by uh Mr. Don

2106
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,720
Buzzard actually. He's just going to

2107
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,560
present quickly uh up there what our

2108
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:28,120
plans are.

2109
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,520
This is just a presentation, so there's

2110
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,800
no real um discussion at this level.

2111
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,120
Just kind of gets you level set with the

2112
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,920
planning commission where we're at with

2113
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:37,920
this project.

2114
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,920
And update everyone.

2115
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,480
And then Don, you have to turn the

2116
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:44,400
overhead on.

2117
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:45,520
» What's that?

2118
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,440
» That.

2119
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,520
» Do I got to turn it on?

2120
01:10:46,440 --> 01:10:49,760
» Should be the remote right there in

2121
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:52,200
front of you.

2122
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:54,080
There it is, Don.

2123
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,720
» Oh, we got it.

2124
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:58,400
All right, Don Buzzard, uh treasurer

2125
01:10:55,720 --> 01:11:00,200
North Hudson Pepper Fest, 1122 Partridge

2126
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:02,040
Lane, North.

2127
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:03,720
I'm just here to give a quick update on

2128
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,560
where we are with the I think we

2129
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,280
presented

2130
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,560
uh,

2131
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:10,520
last year uh,

2132
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:13,080
to to build the community center back

2133
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:15,440
here. So, um,

2134
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:18,920
we completed the initial design. I

2135
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:20,800
wanted to show a picture of that. Um,

2136
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,720
just so that you can you get a chance to

2137
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,920
look at it.

2138
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,920
» Let me bring it up to you in a sec.

2139
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:40,360
» All right. So, this is the the drawing

2140
01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:41,800
of the community center. So, it would be

2141
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,760
right back here.

2142
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,960
It has two two different building two

2143
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:47,080
different sides, so you could have Girl

2144
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,440
Scouts and Boy Scouts here.

2145
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,760
The the bathrooms here would be

2146
01:11:48,440 --> 01:11:52,640
available for the park to come in here.

2147
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,960
So, these these could be locked up here

2148
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,520
and you could still have the bathrooms

2149
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,960
open for the park.

2150
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,560
It's a half-size basement. We we did

2151
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,840
have a full basement. We cut that back

2152
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,720
to a half the last time.

2153
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,960
Um,

2154
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:06,040
pretty much laid out pretty simple basic

2155
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,040
layout.

2156
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:10,160
Um,

2157
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:13,320
see what we got next.

2158
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:13,320
Uh, second one.

2159
01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:19,240
Sorry, I'm struggling on this PC.

2160
01:12:17,480 --> 01:12:21,040
Um,

2161
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:24,440
this is how the layout would be across

2162
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:26,760
the environment. Uh, this one

2163
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:29,200
all of our parking there'd be 46 parking

2164
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:31,240
spots over here in the village.

2165
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:34,000
There would only be four parking spots

2166
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:35,000
up here. This is not This is wrong here,

2167
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,640
but

2168
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,920
that's been changed. So, we eliminated

2169
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,360
those parking spots in front of the

2170
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,560
neighbors over there.

2171
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:43,000
Um, so all the parking would be there.

2172
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,320
There'd be handicap and three other

2173
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,240
spots.

2174
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,320
Um,

2175
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,520
» No street parking then? That got taken

2176
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,440
out?

2177
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,000
» S-

2178
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:52,960
The street parking and were going to add

2179
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,320
some additional street parking here.

2180
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,720
» Yeah.

2181
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,640
» But, right now this 46 spots is all we

2182
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:57,080
need for that.

2183
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,000
» Okay.

2184
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,320
» And then the four up there for handicap

2185
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,040
or

2186
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,600
Uh again, during the day our plan is to

2187
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,920
have the senior center there. So, the

2188
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,120
seniors would be there, so they have a

2189
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:09,280
spot so they could drop off and still

2190
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:12,040
park over here.

2191
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,040
And

2192
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,840
I can show you what the building would

2193
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,840
look like.

2194
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,520
And this would be phase one, just the

2195
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,680
building.

2196
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:40,920
The gazebo type would be phase two and

2197
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:43,160
later.

2198
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:46,040
And same with the park, as those funds

2199
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,040
would come forward.

2200
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:59,240
And we have been approved for our loan.

2201
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:59,240
Our goal is to pay it off in 6 years.

2202
01:13:59,960 --> 01:14:03,920
So.

2203
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,920
Quick.

2204
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:10,560
Well, yes, I It isn't done. I'll let it

2205
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:12,920
keep going.

2206
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,560
» It kind of goes over the same thing.

2207
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,600
» So, the colors are representative. It's

2208
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,760
red.

2209
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,920
» Uh it's going to actually match the

2210
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,320
color of the the village hall.

2211
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,000
» All right, yeah.

2212
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:23,000
» So, it's supposed to match exactly

2213
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:26,160
within the neighborhood?

2214
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:28,680
I don't know why they put red on there.

2215
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:30,560
» What's your [music] plan for starting?

2216
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,480
» Uh the the goal to have this started uh

2217
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:34,840
it's a w-

2218
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:37,200
the plan is to send in for the state

2219
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,960
permit. That takes 5 to 12 weeks. So,

2220
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:40,280
hopefully by Pepper Fest we would break

2221
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,400
ground.

2222
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:43,240
» Or after.

2223
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,680
» Or after. I mean, we can't control how

2224
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:47,120
long the state

2225
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:47,400
takes. They They tell us 4 to 12 weeks,

2226
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:48,800
so

2227
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,440
» And it's today. we don't know what that

2228
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,440
is.

2229
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:51,120
» So, how many square feet is the

2230
01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:53,240
building?

2231
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,400
» It's 50 by 100.

2232
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,200
» Sounds

2233
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:58,680
And forgive me, I wasn't around the last

2234
01:14:56,200 --> 01:15:01,440
time. Was there any talk about

2235
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:02,000
fencing for the neighbors?

2236
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:03,160
» Yep.

2237
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,840
» And there was and what

2238
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:07,960
» Fence along the side.

2239
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:10,000
» And how what was the height of that?

2240
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:11,000
» I think it was eight feet or nine feet

2241
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,160
ordinance.

2242
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,800
» But they could go on a variance or we

2243
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,600
could approve a variance of eight feet

2244
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:19,360
if the neighbors wanted it?

2245
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,360
» Yep. Yep.

2246
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:28,080
» Can you clarify

2247
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:29,880
like is the CPC still valid?

2248
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:32,080
Cuz in the ordinance it says it lapses

2249
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:34,120
after six months if no construction has

2250
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,120
begun.

2251
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,520
» Uh to our knowledge it's still approved.

2252
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,120
» Could you clarify

2253
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:42,640
» Yeah, I'd have to look.

2254
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:42,640
» She's got an ordinance book right there.

2255
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,680
» Okay.

2256
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:47,062
Um I'll look.

2257
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:49,082
Tomorrow.

2258
01:15:47,062 --> 01:15:49,082
» [clears throat]

2259
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,080
» That's That's really all I had and we

2260
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:57,200
We'll present again once we get to the

2261
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:59,080
next step and just keep coming back.

2262
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:01,720
Make sure people are overly involved.

2263
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:03,080
» Cuz um I I didn't see anything in there

2264
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:05,200
for a kitchen.

2265
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,200
» Uh

2266
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:07,760
It's not really a kitchen.

2267
01:16:07,367 --> 01:16:10,240
» [laughter]

2268
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:12,240
» There's a kitchen, but it's like uh

2269
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,560
Hold on. Let me bring it up.

2270
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,720
» All right. Is that touchable?

2271
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:18,320
» Ah.

2272
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:19,320
I'm using Tim's computer, so

2273
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,320
» Well, can you give us a little

2274
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:25,120
background because I'm catching up here,

2275
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:27,200
but this is being funded by the Pepper

2276
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,400
Fest entity, right?

2277
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,280
» Yep.

2278
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:31,400
» I'm assuming and not taxpayer money. No

2279
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,680
taxpayer money. And it's going to stay

2280
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,160
in their ownership.

2281
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,480
» Mhm.

2282
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:37,280
» And a 501c3, so no taxes paid by them.

2283
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:38,640
» Yep.

2284
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,960
» And

2285
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,280
uh they're going to utilize it for a

2286
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:44,680
community center for everybody to take

2287
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:48,040
advantage of, right, in the community.

2288
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:50,440
Uh the kitchen though, aren't you doing

2289
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:51,800
» It's not a commercial kitchen. We're not

2290
01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:53,320
» Like when we have Pepper Fest, it's

2291
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,640
still going to be outside.

2292
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,520
» Okay.

2293
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,800
» If the seniors wanted to do Meals on

2294
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:59,120
Wheels, it'll be brought in from

2295
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:00,760
somewhere else. It's not built for that.

2296
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,960
We'll have a basic kitchen, you know,

2297
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,160
with

2298
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:05,040
you know, a couple cabinets and coffee

2299
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:07,560
and

2300
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:09,520
maybe a stove, but not not a commercial

2301
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,000
building type of any.

2302
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,760
» So, are you

2303
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:14,560
» Be able to do bingo or things like that

2304
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:16,360
» Yeah, bingo

2305
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:18,280
» And those type of things?

2306
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:22,080
» Yeah, bingo and

2307
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:24,000
um Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts. Um

2308
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,240
» So, what's rental look like on that then

2309
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:25,840
for these organizations?

2310
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:26,680
» You

2311
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:27,680
» Yeah, we we want to

2312
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:28,480
» You don't have any kind of thing

2313
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,240
proposed or anything.

2314
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:32,000
» Our plan isn't to

2315
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,600
make money on it.

2316
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,720
We want to break even and we put so much

2317
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,880
Like right now, we put in

2318
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:39,200
Like when we bought the land, we're

2319
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,640
putting in 60 grand a year to pay for

2320
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:40,000
it.

2321
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,440
» Right.

2322
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,880
» And we're going to continue to support

2323
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:44,200
the community through that. And that's

2324
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,160
what the money from Pepper Fest will go

2325
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,280
through.

2326
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:49,800
So, it's we're not trying to make money

2327
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:51,000
on the deal. This isn't a money-making

2328
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,360
alternative. We're trying to give a

2329
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,760
place for people to go

2330
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:53,800
» Nice looking

2331
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,880
» And do things.

2332
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,420
» Are we allowed to ask questions?

2333
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,880
Cuz you said it's not commercial. Are we

2334
01:17:57,420 --> 01:17:59,240
[clears throat] allowed to ask

2335
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,120
» Yeah, we're not going to debate or

2336
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,120
anything, but you can definitely ask

2337
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,000
questions. Yeah.

2338
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,440
» Absolutely.

2339
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,600
Jared asked about the rental. I believe

2340
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:06,080
actually Jared, you're the one who

2341
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:08,600
brought it up in the last meeting that

2342
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:10,200
it was brought up that technically, if I

2343
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,840
were allowed to get married there, they

2344
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,640
pay a Pepper Fest fee.

2345
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,760
So, if I were to get married there, I'd

2346
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:16,240
have to pay a $50 fee to guys. And have

2347
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:18,760
my wedding there.

2348
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:20,320
Technically, I couldn't do that.

2349
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,160
» That's correct.

2350
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,640
That's part of the

2351
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:24,800
» That's part of the cost, yeah.

2352
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:27,360
» So, that is definitely a concern.

2353
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:28,880
» There there will be events there that

2354
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,960
you know, people will donate stuff for,

2355
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,400
right?

2356
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:34,120
I mean, we got we have to pay the the

2357
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:36,360
lights and we have to pay the heat and

2358
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,960
um but it'll be more of a donation than

2359
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,400
it is a

2360
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,880
» Do you So, there's ideas like

2361
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:44,680
would you ever have like a farmers

2362
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:46,160
market or an Oktoberfest or

2363
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,920
» I don't see that. Like, for example,

2364
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:49,480
like the King's Club has a casino night

2365
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,640
once a year. That would be there

2366
01:18:49,480 --> 01:18:54,640
probably, you know? A few events like

2367
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:56,160
that, but we're not anticipating

2368
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:58,480
It's not It's not planned to be rented

2369
01:18:56,160 --> 01:19:00,440
every weekend for weddings, etc. That's

2370
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:03,600
not the point.

2371
01:19:00,440 --> 01:19:05,040
But, it'll be used occasionally.

2372
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,880
» Well, I like Oktoberfest.

2373
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,480
» It's Oktoberfest.

2374
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:09,680
» Nice gift for the community.

2375
01:19:07,480 --> 01:19:10,840
» It's a way to give back, right? So, they

2376
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:11,960
used to give a lot of money Pep Fest

2377
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,080
used to give a lot of money to the

2378
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,560
school.

2379
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:17,600
And we're very We've We've really turned

2380
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:19,760
this around over the last 10 years.

2381
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,560
And we we gave out like 24 different

2382
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:23,240
grants last year. This time we're trying

2383
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:26,920
to build something and

2384
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,920
and have some place for people to go.

2385
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,240
» I have another question. Sorry.

2386
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,840
Um

2387
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,840
so,

2388
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,280
I have

2389
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:36,960
I have expressed several concerns to the

2390
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,760
committee and also to

2391
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:41,040
Pep Fest president.

2392
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:43,520
Uh we've even met with several of us

2393
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:46,480
neighbors. We gave feedback,

2394
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:48,680
suggestions, compromises. And from what

2395
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:50,800
I see from the presentation, there has

2396
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,520
been zero changes and zero

2397
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:54,400
considerations from the feedback that we

2398
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:56,280
shared, and I'm just curious why.

2399
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:59,160
» Because in that conversation that we had

2400
01:19:56,280 --> 01:20:01,080
with you, I did specifically ask like,

2401
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,280
are we wasting our breath sitting here

2402
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,520
sharing this with you? And you said,

2403
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,600
"Absolutely not. We'll take it into

2404
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:07,720
consideration, take it back." But, I

2405
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:10,280
don't see any of any changes,

2406
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:12,720
specifically the scale. If anything, the

2407
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:14,520
scale is slightly larger

2408
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:16,760
because I believe it was just under

2409
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:19,080
5,000 sq ft when you guys originally

2410
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:21,640
showed it to us, and now it's Did I hear

2411
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:23,080
it's 5,000 sq ft?

2412
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,520
» It It It hasn't changed.

2413
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:24,840
» No, it hasn't changed. It's been the

2414
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,640
same.

2415
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:27,880
» I guess I could be wrong. It could be 48

2416
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,560
by 100.

2417
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:31,040
I

2418
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,920
» 48 by 100.

2419
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,000
It's 5,000.

2420
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,840
» Yeah.

2421
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,560
» We didn't change anything. The only

2422
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:38,000
thing we changed you guys brought up the

2423
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,360
thing about the

2424
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,000
uh

2425
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:43,040
noisy air conditioners. We asked them to

2426
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:45,760
look at that to how we could make that

2427
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:47,840
quieter. We took the We had windows on

2428
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:49,720
that side, so

2429
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:51,200
we took all the windows and

2430
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,520
tried to make it quieter on that side

2431
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:55,160
and made 2 by 8 walls. So, and then we

2432
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,880
took the lighting away from there. We We

2433
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:58,400
did try to adjust anything that we could

2434
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:00,520
on that side.

2435
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:02,320
» The size is basically we we

2436
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:04,800
Yeah, and and I know. We went back with

2437
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:09,280
the size with the architecture and it

2438
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:11,160
just it the decision came back as it it

2439
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,920
the fit inside this and what we want the

2440
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,600
use for, we felt that the size was

2441
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:16,000
needed.

2442
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,440
To have two separate activities going on

2443
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,600
at one time, have it out community

2444
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:22,200
bathrooms for everyone.

2445
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:24,720
And to be able to

2446
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:26,080
meet what

2447
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,280
I I guess

2448
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,560
» You should put it on that commercial

2449
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,560
lot.

2450
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:32,880
» We don't own it.

2451
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:33,640
» We don't We don't own it.

2452
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:34,240
» Be quiet.

2453
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:35,280
» We don't own it.

2454
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:37,491
» That was already bought.

2455
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,920
» So, then you bought the residential lot.

2456
01:21:37,491 --> 01:21:39,120
» [clears throat]

2457
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,080
» And now you're turning it into

2458
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,440
commercial trying to

2459
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,880
» Yep.

2460
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:44,480
But you did it

2461
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,000
address some lighting issues and some

2462
01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:46,720
windows.

2463
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:48,520
» There is some kind of

2464
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,760
» The fencing is definitely and I go back

2465
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:52,600
to Jared. If we want to put a larger

2466
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:55,400
fence up, we will pay for that. I mean

2467
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:57,920
» The main concern we again I have

2468
01:21:55,400 --> 01:22:00,560
multiple concerns that are some of them,

2469
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:02,600
right? My main concern is the size of

2470
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,200
the building and the capacity of the

2471
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:03,760
building.

2472
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:07,200
» Yep.

2473
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:09,800
» And again, I see none of those concerns

2474
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:12,800
were even remotely taken into

2475
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:15,360
consideration. So, I understand Tim that

2476
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:17,320
you want to and

2477
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:19,680
bring something to the community, right?

2478
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:23,680
I guess I just I still don't understand

2479
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:25,800
why you are placing

2480
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:28,640
the city of Hudson's

2481
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:30,880
community needs first before North

2482
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,480
Hudson community. Where that is what

2483
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,320
Pepper Fest was originally meant to

2484
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:37,120
support, and that is also the community

2485
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:40,040
that you live in, right? So, why does

2486
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:41,560
the city of Hudson take priority over

2487
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,160
the village that

2488
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,240
» Well,

2489
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,800
» That that is what Pepper Fest is meant

2490
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,320
for.

2491
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,880
» Yeah, I don't think we're directing it

2492
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,920
to we're directing it to anyone.

2493
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,480
» But the [clears throat] but the

2494
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:52,000
organizations that you shared with us

2495
01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:54,000
that you're going that you're going to

2496
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:56,080
support and that you're receiving grants

2497
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:58,520
for are

2498
01:22:56,080 --> 01:23:01,080
from the city, from Hudson, not North

2499
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:03,440
Hudson. They're not North Hudson

2500
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:05,680
community organizations that you're

2501
01:23:03,440 --> 01:23:06,280
prioritizing. You're prioritizing Hudson

2502
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:07,360
community

2503
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:08,200
» Well, I

2504
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:09,800
I feel North Hudson

2505
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,320
» Want to understand. Is it because of the

2506
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:13,800
grant money? Is that why there it's

2507
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:15,160
taking precedent over the North Hudson

2508
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,480
» Well, no, our grants are going after

2509
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,480
larger communities and larger

2510
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:19,680
organizations to be fair.

2511
01:23:17,480 --> 01:23:21,560
» From the bank, Anderson Windows.

2512
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:23,280
» Yeah, so we're just directing it's not

2513
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:25,960
really we're not focusing on one one

2514
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:27,960
entity. I mean,

2515
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:29,360
I I anticipate people from outside

2516
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:31,280
coming in and using it, to be honest

2517
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:33,000
with you. Outside of Hudson, outside

2518
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,440
North Hudson, not you know, any I just

2519
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:36,680
think it's a community building that's

2520
01:23:34,440 --> 01:23:39,280
going to be used for access for people

2521
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:40,120
to get, you know, to use to rent or

2522
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,960
donate.

2523
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:45,320
» Of the the members of this community

2524
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,320
though.

2525
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:51,440
We are very supportive as a a member of

2526
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:53,520
this community of the community center.

2527
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:56,760
Don't get I don't want to misin-

2528
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:58,920
misrepresent that. It's the magnitude.

2529
01:23:56,760 --> 01:24:00,400
That does not match the footprint of

2530
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:03,640
North Hudson.

2531
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:05,840
I mean, it's not even close. And I in my

2532
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:08,280
communication to the board, I

2533
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:10,320
shared examples, right? Of other

2534
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:12,880
communities that are much much larger

2535
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:14,320
than us that have facilities that are

2536
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,280
supporting

2537
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,480
much larger communities that are smaller

2538
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:19,120
than what you guys are building. And I

2539
01:24:17,480 --> 01:24:21,800
just that is like my main question. I

2540
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:24,480
just do not understand why it has to be

2541
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:26,000
at such a large scale. You know, and

2542
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:27,520
even if you would say it's because of

2543
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:29,160
the money, it's going to make us money.

2544
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,680
You're saying it's not making us money,

2545
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,880
right? So, I just don't understand the

2546
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,320
motivation

2547
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:35,680
» It's just the use. The main use. It's

2548
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,400
the main use.

2549
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:40,040
I feel it's going to be used more of

2550
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:41,800
this at this size.

2551
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:44,040
» And the And the architect told us if we

2552
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:46,480
reduced it 10 ft it there's no

2553
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,920
cost difference. It All we do is lose

2554
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:48,753
our space.

2555
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:49,240
So,

2556
01:24:48,753 --> 01:24:51,520
» [laughter]

2557
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:54,240
» It didn't make any sense.

2558
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:55,960
» But I I appreciate your comments, but I

2559
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:58,280
And I said I I listened to everything

2560
01:24:55,960 --> 01:25:00,360
you stated, but the fact is is that we

2561
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:02,240
went back and we talked and we adjusted

2562
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:04,040
the things for noise. We We're trying to

2563
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:05,920
lighting and all that stuff, but the

2564
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,720
size we just felt it was important to

2565
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,200
have.

2566
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,560
» And we'll do everything we can on that

2567
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:12,240
wall to make it

2568
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,960
whatever insulation in there.

2569
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:14,360
» No.

2570
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:14,680
What time?

2571
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,440
» No.

2572
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:17,560
» Who decided that?

2573
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:20,000
The two of you?

2574
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:22,120
» The The what?

2575
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,920
» There was a We had a separate committee

2576
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:23,280
set up

2577
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:26,560
» Yep.

2578
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:28,160
» Across the community. Bob Bardwell

2579
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:30,040
» No, we don't say names and names. Yeah.

2580
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:31,280
» We had a We had a group set up. I was

2581
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:33,240
just one of the members. I'm the money

2582
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,680
guy, so

2583
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:37,000
I'm the one that try to find the money.

2584
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:38,320
» Can you share those results?

2585
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,880
Of the Of the group?

2586
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,560
» Well, keep in mind, we're building this

2587
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,520
thing as a non It's an It's a no

2588
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:45,800
taxpayer money at all.

2589
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:47,680
» I'm not concerned with that.

2590
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:49,014
» Okay. Well, then and we went through the

2591
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:49,720
proper channels

2592
01:25:49,014 --> 01:25:51,440
» [clears throat]

2593
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,320
» Of getting a commissioning use permit

2594
01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:55,240
and we

2595
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:56,480
and we presented to everyone. So,

2596
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:59,640
I'm All I'm saying I'm going to end the

2597
01:25:56,480 --> 01:26:00,680
meeting after this cuz it and

2598
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,400
we're presenting, we're keeping

2599
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:04,280
everybody informed as we step through

2600
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:05,560
these processes.

2601
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,400
And the goal is of course is to put

2602
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:09,280
something up that the community can use.

2603
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:12,080
Not Hudson specifically, not North

2604
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:13,800
Hudson specifically, anybody can use.

2605
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:15,400
That is the goal of this.

2606
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,840
The seniors are here representing it.

2607
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:18,640
The fact is cuz they want to be using

2608
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:22,080
it. I don't care if they live in Hudson,

2609
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:24,120
North Hudson, town of of Troy, whatever.

2610
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:26,200
They need a place to go to. We know

2611
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:27,800
that. The we we've been told. And

2612
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:29,160
there's other other groups that want to

2613
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:30,720
use it also.

2614
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:33,200
And and

2615
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:34,680
we commit and we contribute to a lot of

2616
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:37,040
organizations with our annual

2617
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:38,520
fundraising for Pepper Fest that they

2618
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:40,680
came back to us and said we need a

2619
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:42,200
building something like this.

2620
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,400
And this building can have two events

2621
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,960
going at one time and that is the

2622
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:47,360
purpose behind it.

2623
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,920
» Can I ask another question?

2624
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:50,160
» I'm going to have to stop.

2625
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,280
Cuz the fact is we're getting into

2626
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,640
debates. This is exactly what we we had

2627
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:53,800
last

2628
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:54,360
» I I do have a question.

2629
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:55,880
» The

2630
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:57,000
Please go ahead. Last one.

2631
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,600
» So,

2632
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:00,800
how is and I understand that you guys

2633
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:03,600
have

2634
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:05,160
uh spaces for parking.

2635
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:08,120
But as also addressed in one of the

2636
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:10,960
earlier topics, people can park on the

2637
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:12,200
street, correct? And so what my question

2638
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,760
is is how are we going to address

2639
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:17,360
[clears throat] on-street parking and

2640
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:19,640
traffic? Because I understand that

2641
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:22,000
Monroe is the only street that has a

2642
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:25,640
stoplight. Monroe is the busiest street

2643
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:27,680
besides 35 in North Hudson. Monroe also,

2644
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:29,920
starting the last week of October or

2645
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:32,200
August, will also be getting much busier

2646
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:33,760
with the closure of Fulton.

2647
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:36,040
And then you're adding this on top of

2648
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:38,680
it. My 8-year-old daughter walks to and

2649
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:41,680
from school every single day.

2650
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:44,960
And I walk her every single morning. And

2651
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:47,400
our chief uh patrols every single day

2652
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:48,880
because it is an unsafe street.

2653
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:51,040
Because people are flying up and down

2654
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:52,680
the road and there's tons of traffic.

2655
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:54,560
And so you add something like this and

2656
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:57,320
you're adding additional traffic and

2657
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:59,440
parking. So my question is how is that

2658
01:27:57,320 --> 01:28:01,000
being addressed? I understand the lots

2659
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:03,400
and the spaces you guys have specked

2660
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,600
out, but how is the rest of it going to

2661
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:05,280
be controlled?

2662
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:06,640
» Well, [clears throat] the intention is

2663
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:09,560
there are no parking on Monroe Street.

2664
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:09,560
That's the intentions.

2665
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,440
The parking will be back here.

2666
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,440
» So,

2667
01:28:12,440 --> 01:28:14,960
I'm

2668
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:15,240
can't really put up no parking signs on

2669
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,280
the road.

2670
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:17,840
» No, you can't. And I can't deny and I

2671
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,720
but

2672
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,800
» Want to park closer to the door,

2673
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:21,240
possibly.

2674
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,280
» Right.

2675
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:24,520
» Um I'm in 711, we're on the other side

2676
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,000
of Manzanita.

2677
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:26,600
» Yep.

2678
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:28,040
» Um

2679
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:29,520
we have

2680
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:33,800
this is our last year was our first

2681
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:33,800
Pepper Fest in our home. Uh

2682
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:40,080
it was problematic

2683
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:41,560
just in just on Saturday. Just uh wife

2684
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,960
works on Saturdays.

2685
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:44,760
She came and we got get back in the

2686
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:46,880
driveway and there was someone halfway

2687
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:48,080
blocking our driveway.

2688
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:51,360
Um

2689
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:52,880
I'm I'm I worry about parking on

2690
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:55,440
the street as well.

2691
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:57,280
That is a big concern cuz

2692
01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:58,440
my journey started it's

2693
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,920
it's very busy on a

2694
01:28:58,440 --> 01:29:02,000
» Tim Tim, is that something we could take

2695
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:03,840
to someone on the board and say no

2696
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,520
parking [clears throat] from here to the

2697
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,800
Yeah, well

2698
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:08,080
we're we're

2699
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:10,240
I mean we're trying to make it work,

2700
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,240
right?

2701
01:29:10,440 --> 01:29:12,600
Well, that's

2702
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,960
» Maybe it's permit only.

2703
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:15,160
» Yeah, now we're getting into we're

2704
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,560
getting Yeah, all right. So, I

2705
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:18,320
appreciate you guys' comments and this

2706
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,600
is just in for more information for you

2707
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:21,040
guys to see.

2708
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,720
» Informational question.

2709
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,160
» Yes.

2710
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,920
» What is the capacity inside, do you

2711
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:28,480
think?

2712
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:29,040
» Uh 250. It's It's two No, it's 212,

2713
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:30,200
right?

2714
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,240
» Well, under 250.

2715
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:32,000
» Yeah, it's 212.

2716
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:34,480
» Okay. Thank you.

2717
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:36,302
» What are you going to name it?

2718
01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:38,160
» It's still not determined yet.

2719
01:29:36,302 --> 01:29:39,800
» [clears throat]

2720
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,920
» Cuz we sold our house.

2721
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:43,160
» There will be something in there with

2722
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:44,080
that name on it. I can tell you that.

2723
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:46,120
» All right.

2724
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:49,920
» We know that. So.

2725
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:54,840
» Will there be an opportunity for public

2726
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:54,840
conversation and feedback on this topic?

2727
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,200
» Um all I can say is that we're going to

2728
01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:00,160
keep coming back and forth giving more

2729
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:00,880
information, so

2730
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:03,120
this

2731
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:04,560
» Outside of just informational

2732
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:07,360
presentation,

2733
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:08,840
so like some of the earlier topics, how

2734
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:10,600
some of the community members were able

2735
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:12,880
to come up and speak, will there be an

2736
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:14,560
opportunity for this topic to also have

2737
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:15,280
community members come up and speak and

2738
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,120
share?

2739
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:18,880
» Um, [clears throat] possibly, we'll see.

2740
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:22,280
I can see if they can be open session on

2741
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:23,520
this, but open hearing, I mean

2742
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:25,160
Yeah.

2743
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,760
» I want to see the status of the

2744
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:27,720
approvals.

2745
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:29,840
» Yeah, yep, we'll have to see.

2746
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:31,000
Definitely.

2747
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:31,920
Michelle, quick.

2748
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» Um,

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I would just say that this is the first

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01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:38,520
that I heard that you were doing this.

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01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,160
Sounds great to me.

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01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,680
So

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» Thank you, Michelle.

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01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:44,320
Okay, um, that's all. We're going to

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move on to routine business. Anything on

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01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:47,440
routine business by anybody more on the

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board?

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All right, with that we adjourn at 7:32.

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Thank you all for attending, appreciate

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that. Thank you.