1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:14,140 Well, the legislature is to provide the United States of America to the Republic, which stands one nation. I think they have an indivisible look at it and they just scroll. 2 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:19,860 Good evening, and welcome. 3 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:35,000 Today on the agenda, we will have a primary reason for all of you to get ahead of these. It's to address this public hearing attack. 4 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:41,940 a five legislative line of news hearing, you know, the council to discuss and decide 5 00:00:41,940 --> 00:00:47,920 of course, of actions. But before we move into that, any amendments to the agenda of the 6 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:57,980 seat? Can we do that, Courtney? No. Okay. And then we are going to move right into the 7 00:00:57,980 --> 00:01:04,100 click hearing. And then I want to go through the public hearing. We'll close out with the 8 00:01:04,100 --> 00:01:10,600 extended announcement concerns to comments, public comments, and then with adjournment. So with that, 9 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:21,200 this is a time and place for a public hearing for ordinance number 593-226. And the ordinance 10 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,700 some kind of the Dundee public vote prohibits 11 00:01:23,700 --> 00:01:27,280 driving hearing uses of the community commercial zone 12 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,720 commercial zoning district and clarified provisions 13 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,640 in the development code related to drive through 14 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,660 uses in the city of Dundee. 15 00:01:35,900 --> 00:01:38,020 This is a type five procedure 16 00:01:38,860 --> 00:01:41,340 and the hearing is now called okay. 17 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,000 The public hearing will be conducted as follows. 18 00:01:47,460 --> 00:01:50,320 Staff will be there report and answered 19 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:57,840 are getting questions from the council following the staff report or will open the hearing for public testimony. 20 00:01:59,420 --> 00:02:03,720 First, I will take testimony in support for both amendments. 21 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:14,620 Then the testimony offered to those in opposition and finally will pick testimony for those who are neutral on the proposed amendments after the opportunity for public testimony. 22 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,620 The council may have additional questions for staff. 23 00:02:17,620 --> 00:02:22,480 I will then close the public hearing and the counsel discussing consider the matter. 24 00:02:23,980 --> 00:02:31,460 So when you do test it, whether it's on the station name and your address or the record. 25 00:02:32,260 --> 00:02:36,860 And please, the testimony can size and roll it to the issue before us this evening. 26 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:43,740 All testimony shall be directed towards council and not the other members of the audience 27 00:02:43,740 --> 00:02:53,560 for the deliberations esteem in the ticker book criteria for founding section 17.405.403.12. 28 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:59,640 I've done the development code. These criteria are listed and discussed in the sample form, 29 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:01,860 including the apostles of gender tactics. 30 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,140 Dean, some artists like to vary the city council must you make this decision. 31 00:03:07,140 --> 00:03:13,140 value to raise an issue with sufficient specificity to afford the City Council on all parties 32 00:03:13,140 --> 00:03:17,560 that opportunity to respond to an issue, make for clue to the appeal to the landings 33 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:23,360 for the appeal that's on that issue and may include any action to serve it for it. 34 00:03:23,980 --> 00:03:29,300 Now, at this time, I ask any members to sit counsel to disclose any complex of interest 35 00:03:29,300 --> 00:03:34,960 that the member may have pertaining to ordinance number 5 into 3-20 of sales. 36 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,580 basically a nation-extended conflict at any interest, 37 00:03:39,180 --> 00:03:41,960 and they can whether you intend to participate in or stay 38 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:42,580 from the hearing. 39 00:03:43,500 --> 00:03:45,880 So I'm going to just start now, line, 40 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,120 and start with a security. 41 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,020 Yeah, I have no time to stop. 42 00:03:51,660 --> 00:03:52,240 That's it. 43 00:03:52,580 --> 00:03:53,140 That's all this. 44 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:54,280 No, no, no. 45 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,100 I'm going to work in a year. 46 00:03:56,540 --> 00:04:01,020 So does any member of the audience list 47 00:04:01,020 --> 00:04:03,600 the challenge you have built in a consort of hearing this matter? 48 00:04:05,340 --> 00:04:11,680 During none, I would now turn to the staff report in several numbers on the staff board, 49 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,680 and in the study of how many of those items are included in the record. 50 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,460 So, thank you, Mr. Mayor. 51 00:04:22,660 --> 00:04:23,980 And also my name is Brad Chulby. 52 00:04:24,300 --> 00:04:28,280 And we've been invited by the governor for Heart Rock, PS4, 53 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:30,720 Gales 2-0 by southeast of Kansas Street, 54 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,100 Fort LaGuardia 97-202, 55 00:04:33,100 --> 00:04:35,680 and this is a contract not very much better. 56 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,160 The corporate policy for you involves two good. 57 00:04:43,780 --> 00:04:47,460 It involves changes to the long-to-code balance of everything. 58 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,800 And in the municipal code and four different ways, 59 00:04:52,340 --> 00:04:54,680 it prohibits driving to establish 60 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,240 from the sanitary and commercial law. 61 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:02,260 So, already break it into a central business series, so this would essentially prohibit 62 00:05:02,260 --> 00:05:04,780 drivers throughout the community. 63 00:05:05,860 --> 00:05:06,540 Here we go. 64 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,000 Drive for design standards. 65 00:05:08,220 --> 00:05:09,000 Go to the bottom here. 66 00:05:09,180 --> 00:05:11,240 So you can get that for the design standards. 67 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:17,460 Or you're essentially shadowed and passed for drive-throughs along Pacific Highway. 68 00:05:18,860 --> 00:05:22,900 In a third eye of the definition of drive, you're declared by the full service gap most. 69 00:05:22,900 --> 00:05:25,960 And if anybody want to pay cash, we're not considered right to be useless. 70 00:05:27,340 --> 00:05:32,900 And he's entitled by my user review that was initiated by the State Council on April 7, 71 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,180 2026 by majority. 72 00:05:36,540 --> 00:05:41,080 And so for that reason, because you initiated as the council, 73 00:05:41,340 --> 00:05:43,580 you didn't have to go to the final commission for a game, 74 00:05:43,940 --> 00:05:45,800 because they would make a recommendation to you, 75 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,020 then that recommendation was simply state. 76 00:05:48,620 --> 00:05:52,900 They didn't even recommend approval already, you know, that you have already made your 77 00:05:52,900 --> 00:05:56,840 case for wanting this legislation, so that's why it's probably for you. 78 00:06:02,380 --> 00:06:03,720 So that's the end. 79 00:06:04,700 --> 00:06:08,980 We submitted another issue, the awarding department linked to a consideration of the development, 80 00:06:09,660 --> 00:06:16,600 35 days prior to the first experience, and that was what we said, in 2026, and now I'm 81 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:17,020 making it. 82 00:06:17,020 --> 00:06:29,060 yet we now notice to everybody on this map that is commercial use. So everybody that 83 00:06:29,060 --> 00:06:34,240 will be enacted by this proposed amendment or these proposed amendments will receive 84 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,060 another proposed amendments. Excellent, please. 85 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,540 So the proposal to the development of your 86 00:06:42,540 --> 00:06:46,740 or rural criteria, really, there are four in that session. 87 00:06:47,140 --> 00:06:50,840 But the only one is applicable to public government. 88 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,200 And it must apply under the applicable, 89 00:06:54,980 --> 00:06:56,540 composite plan goals and policies, 90 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,480 statewide plan goals, and ordinary military rules. 91 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,240 And that's in your stat before we went through 92 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,960 the applicable goals that we felt were relevant to this. 93 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,700 And I'll go ahead and make those for the purpose 94 00:07:09,700 --> 00:07:16,560 of the audience. The goals policies that we found were relevant to this. These amendments 95 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,760 would be assured that commercial and industrial developments preserve a hands-in-said character 96 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:28,980 and mobility identity that the city should preserve. I create the business as long 99 W by supporting 97 00:07:28,980 --> 00:07:34,400 highway agreements that will lead a traffic congestion by requiring velocity parking to be 98 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,460 by repriving high design standards in the developments, 99 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,040 and the city will promote alternative transportation 100 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,260 most fragile auto use, including carpool and pedestrian traffic 101 00:07:43,260 --> 00:07:44,160 and bicycle. 102 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,160 Well, you recognize this change modified business model 103 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,980 is traditionally permitted in its own drive-through uses. 104 00:07:51,700 --> 00:07:53,220 The council believes that the restriction cost 105 00:07:53,220 --> 00:07:55,940 for the more cohesive and walkable environment 106 00:07:55,940 --> 00:07:59,360 toward the court over that prioritizes longer visits 107 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,160 over kidney and cascading thefts. 108 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:10,560 And you already know the emphasis of this request was primarily the drug due that was proposed 109 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,260 associated with McDonald's. 110 00:08:12,820 --> 00:08:18,580 This, these amendments would not prohibit for preclude the dogs locating and then be, 111 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,180 but they would have to do it as a drug in restaurant as opposed to a drug through restaurant, 112 00:08:24,180 --> 00:08:27,420 which some people say, well, that's not that they do. 113 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,660 I'm going to argue that if you're going to like us, we go right down. 114 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,900 Chick-fil-A just opened up a sit-down restaurant. 115 00:08:33,660 --> 00:08:36,380 It's a drive in, it's their first in Maryland. 116 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,240 I'm not sure they do anywhere else in the country, but that was one of the first restaurants that they've done. 117 00:08:42,660 --> 00:08:48,760 So there's the restaurants for it, and I will say that you have a downtown business organization 118 00:08:49,580 --> 00:08:51,820 that wants to make money in that situation. 119 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:53,480 You now have a finance. 120 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:59,160 So you have not changed the potential about what you want to see that you become over the years. 121 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:09,320 And so that particular application had 185 comments that were received. 122 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,820 And I did some quick math and that's five percent of your population. 123 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:19,620 I think in that there was only one comment in favor of the writers. 124 00:09:19,620 --> 00:09:22,120 through the nursing network opposed to it. 125 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,880 And there's some form letters, but they were also outside 126 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,540 of that, some letters specifically to you 127 00:09:27,540 --> 00:09:29,820 in order to find the information requesting it. 128 00:09:29,860 --> 00:09:31,260 You guys look at drive-through uses, 129 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,420 and so your community certainly haven't 130 00:09:33,420 --> 00:09:37,220 interested in not going to prevent drive-through uses. 131 00:09:38,140 --> 00:09:40,380 It's important to me that you're clear and understand 132 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:43,640 that by including any drive-through users, 133 00:09:44,260 --> 00:09:45,200 let me drive your best. 134 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:46,740 I'll help you be allowed in the area. 135 00:09:46,740 --> 00:09:52,440 and I try to copy PEOs, won't be allowed, it won't be a drive-in or drive-up, you know. 136 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,560 So the idea is that people come in and don't part and then they'll find something more 137 00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:00,100 interesting to check out in the downtown border as it can develop. 138 00:10:02,740 --> 00:10:04,200 Now, next slide, please. 139 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:06,720 Oh, I didn't work with that's it. 140 00:10:06,980 --> 00:10:09,780 I wanted to talk about a public notice, the LCG noticed and published, 141 00:10:09,780 --> 00:10:18,040 April 22nd. Notice was published in the Newark Graphic and on May 14th, and then the effective 142 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:22,340 property on the quarter notified on May 5th. That's that map I should be earlier. 143 00:10:26,270 --> 00:10:33,190 Yeah, before I get to that, I have a meeting on May 19th. There were 18 vote comments were received 144 00:10:33,190 --> 00:10:38,370 by staff. One comment on my position to the proposed amendment and 17 in support of the amendment. 145 00:10:38,370 --> 00:10:40,910 that all received anonymous primary points 146 00:10:40,910 --> 00:10:43,750 are included in the packet, and exit the team. 147 00:10:47,490 --> 00:10:49,930 We've proposed the ordinance in here, 148 00:10:50,210 --> 00:10:54,770 and we are recommending the fact that we know 149 00:10:55,810 --> 00:10:58,450 that the applicant, the result of the applicant 150 00:10:58,450 --> 00:11:01,490 is updating their application to resummit 151 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,550 that this will cost to anyone to see 152 00:11:05,550 --> 00:11:08,250 If you were to pass an answer tonight, 153 00:11:08,450 --> 00:11:09,570 we'd become effective. 154 00:11:09,850 --> 00:11:13,050 If you don't, maybe we've come back for a second reading. 155 00:11:13,870 --> 00:11:15,850 And presumably after that reading, 156 00:11:16,310 --> 00:11:19,770 you have a cold, not period in for about, I think, 157 00:11:19,770 --> 00:11:20,450 it's 30 days. 158 00:11:20,850 --> 00:11:23,230 So the legislation will realize her effect for 30 days. 159 00:11:23,650 --> 00:11:26,110 So you may have a condition for her driving you within that 30 days 160 00:11:26,110 --> 00:11:28,610 would have to be subject to rules that aren't, 161 00:11:28,610 --> 00:11:29,510 if you haven't said it today. 162 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,720 I'm going to talk about there were probably 163 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,980 I've been putting more work on these within that community 164 00:11:41,980 --> 00:11:44,140 commercial zone on now that they saw it earlier. 165 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,780 And I would just again, by saying that 166 00:11:49,900 --> 00:11:53,060 established the baseline prior conversations 167 00:11:53,510 --> 00:11:55,300 and our analysis of this legislation 168 00:11:55,570 --> 00:11:58,020 to recommend through what the application 169 00:11:58,820 --> 00:12:04,080 or the maintenance that you guys kind of had as prepared. 170 00:12:04,860 --> 00:12:06,700 And available for any questions you may have. 171 00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:08,600 Well, thank you very much, everybody. 172 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,720 But I wouldn't know that in your packet, there is, what's the additional, all the comments 173 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:20,600 that was sent to me, and I think to my particular administrator earlier, I guess, like 174 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:26,060 this afternoon, from the owners of Red Hill, so that's in your packet, sitting there, 175 00:12:26,220 --> 00:12:30,880 supporting for pretty many drive-throughs, assuming that that's the record. 176 00:12:31,620 --> 00:12:33,460 And that will be included in the record as well. 177 00:12:33,460 --> 00:12:42,480 So, not only do you have any questions that the staff have, or council have, if the 178 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,540 committee is not reporting, but the reporting, or the answer. 179 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,740 So, I think, of course. So, there's a button in there, there's no one, but there is a solution 180 00:12:52,740 --> 00:12:59,020 I would say. I know you already mentioned, but really pretty good. Right, through some of the 181 00:12:59,020 --> 00:13:01,080 of this one, from the start of the party, 182 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,260 and say, it's caught your attention in the future. 183 00:13:03,620 --> 00:13:06,860 How is one of that future of the UVG group? 184 00:13:07,700 --> 00:13:09,300 Let me give you a moment to see if it is. 185 00:13:09,700 --> 00:13:10,480 Great question. 186 00:13:11,620 --> 00:13:13,380 You guys have been prohibited today. 187 00:13:13,660 --> 00:13:15,900 It doesn't mean that you would have to all be prohibited. 188 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,060 You might mind if there's a reason 189 00:13:18,060 --> 00:13:20,420 to have a drive-throughs along the way 190 00:13:20,420 --> 00:13:22,240 in the rear-registered area. 191 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,560 And start looking at maybe a separate commercial zone 192 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:30,520 or any other labor you would someday prepare for these. 193 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,600 So at this point, every agreement will affect the existence 194 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,640 simply on anything beyond the within control 195 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:40,160 of the machine. 196 00:13:40,860 --> 00:13:41,240 That's right. 197 00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:43,260 That's all right. 198 00:13:43,820 --> 00:13:47,100 It's a different console, 199 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,800 and different editions of curing the roles 200 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,120 can be changed at that time for sure. 201 00:13:56,100 --> 00:14:00,780 So zoning regulations, I don't know if they could do that 10. 202 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,920 So underneath there they describe all of the zones in there. 203 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:10,600 They are talking about the community commercial zone, which is a zone, and I'll read it out 204 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,360 here because I can read it out. 205 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:13,560 I don't think it has it. 206 00:14:13,700 --> 00:14:20,160 Let's see some provides a wide range of info-serving businesses including retail, office, and services. 207 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:26,540 use. This CSO is intended to encourage commercial and big-shoot development that is convenient 208 00:14:26,540 --> 00:14:31,880 and accessible by all modes and to create an commercial area that is attractive and functional 209 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:38,200 for customers, business, and community of large. Then to complete this, by escaping as a key 210 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:43,060 component of the site design of the CSO and to provide lottery to adjacent residents, 211 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:48,220 allied industrial uses, and create an attractive street schedule for buy and buy, you know, 212 00:14:48,220 --> 00:14:55,260 benefits. With these changes to a fluid drive-through, do we need to also make sure we're changing 213 00:14:55,260 --> 00:14:59,640 in this purpose for the Z-Sone, C-Sone. 214 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:08,880 To make sure that we are, are, are, are removing this convenient to all, like, and accessible, by all modes. 215 00:15:10,420 --> 00:15:17,040 Um, no, because, I mean, you still have to drive up to the right end or the right, if you said it's still accessible. 216 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:25,840 Um, I think it's a purpose to, so it's not a criteria yet. Right. Um, it, it's entirely up to you as a council. 217 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,500 in what you've currently envisioned for that 218 00:15:28,500 --> 00:15:29,500 in the commercial zone. 219 00:15:29,860 --> 00:15:30,060 Okay. 220 00:15:30,900 --> 00:15:33,640 But I would say like when this goes 221 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,000 in front of the planning commission, 222 00:15:35,460 --> 00:15:36,500 again, we're going to send this 223 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:37,500 to the planning commission 224 00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:38,500 and let them have their, 225 00:15:39,020 --> 00:15:41,240 yeah, when sending this to the planning commission, right? 226 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:42,120 That's what we discussed. 227 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,520 Is we're going to, yes, when we have that, 228 00:15:45,620 --> 00:15:46,520 this is the last meeting. 229 00:15:46,980 --> 00:15:49,600 We said we'll make a short-term emergency fix, 230 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,660 but it will go in front of the planning commission 231 00:15:51,660 --> 00:15:53,560 to allow them to look at this. 232 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,900 Is that still in the case? 233 00:15:56,940 --> 00:16:02,700 I think we were discussing if we wanted larger changes or other sheetless, but- 234 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:04,680 Well, is this change the drive to change? 235 00:16:05,340 --> 00:16:12,760 And so my state last time was I would sign off on a short-term change in emergency 236 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,880 phase as long as it went to the planning mission. 237 00:16:16,220 --> 00:16:21,860 So we got all of the residence inputs on it and allowed them to look at it and to determine 238 00:16:21,860 --> 00:16:26,540 whether or not they want the purpose, for example, or any other things they want to change. 239 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:29,260 So, and we're still planning on doing that. 240 00:16:29,500 --> 00:16:31,140 Right. I mean, you can certainly record the planning 241 00:16:31,140 --> 00:16:33,280 missions to stay wherever you want. Like I said, 242 00:16:33,620 --> 00:16:36,160 there might be a reason to fill out some rest of your team, 243 00:16:36,980 --> 00:16:39,220 but you choose not to do it on island in the United. 244 00:16:39,900 --> 00:16:42,480 Maybe you have a overlay where you wouldn't prevent them. 245 00:16:42,660 --> 00:16:44,740 And that would be something that you have to plan 246 00:16:44,740 --> 00:16:46,460 missions to stay more in debt. 247 00:16:46,740 --> 00:16:49,300 Okay. So when will we send you this plan? 248 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,040 So what do you 249 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:06,560 want the planning commission to do? 250 00:17:06,860 --> 00:17:09,180 So, again, when I, when you're asked that, 251 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,200 you'd ever meet about this, about trying to do an emergency fix. 252 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,920 My opinion was this really should go to the planning commission. 253 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:20,600 All of the letters that are many of the letters that we have been seeing 254 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,180 were sent to the planning commission. 255 00:17:22,180 --> 00:17:29,440 I think the idea that these own changes are done to the planning commission is whether or not it is legal or required. 256 00:17:29,900 --> 00:17:34,220 It is a common, I think they come into sense because this is the rewink and so on and you change it. 257 00:17:34,260 --> 00:17:35,660 That's what the planning uses for. 258 00:17:36,460 --> 00:17:40,940 So, but I was out of the opinion that we're going to do a short-term emergency checks. 259 00:17:41,580 --> 00:17:44,900 And then we are going to send this to the planning commission to have them redo it. 260 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,800 I don't get to just want to stamp and say, yeah, that looks great or if they want to do. 261 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:54,260 but allow them to put some of their insight into the game. 262 00:17:55,340 --> 00:17:57,540 And so, is that what we're planning on doing? 263 00:17:58,100 --> 00:18:00,680 So, city council's the decision maker. 264 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:05,620 So, I'm not exactly sure what would be accomplished 265 00:18:05,620 --> 00:18:07,440 in a city council making a decision, 266 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,400 and then I think they're going to make a decision with it. 267 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,840 I think my understanding from what we talked about 268 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:16,820 is that if you wanted to look more globally at the development code 269 00:18:16,820 --> 00:18:19,340 and see if there were any visitors that they recommend, 270 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,560 but I'm not sure would be prudent for countless 271 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,960 or negative decisions, which is, you know, finding 272 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,340 and then send out acts of recognition. 273 00:18:28,660 --> 00:18:31,360 Well, if this is part of the larger discussion, 274 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,680 that's fine, and so that's great. 275 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,320 If we want to send to the planning commission 276 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,680 something like here, look at this thing, 277 00:18:38,820 --> 00:18:40,840 or look at that thing, which would include 278 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,200 the insurgent changes, I'm finding that. 279 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,580 But as long as it is going in front of the planning 280 00:18:46,580 --> 00:18:54,140 condition. Yes, that's okay. Okay, so this year, so I'm here. Yes. Yes, that's 281 00:18:54,140 --> 00:19:00,360 long. And would you look at where you're right now? That's on the page 16 and I will 282 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:07,160 find it. Oh, is it? Yeah, it's up 17.202.010. It's the purpose that not be 283 00:19:13,700 --> 00:19:25,080 So other questions I have. So I thank you for clarifying that we will be sending this in front of finding commission to allow them to have their input on this and any of the things that we're addressing. 284 00:19:25,740 --> 00:19:31,840 Your definition here in spoons full service gas stations right they would no longer be allowed in town. 285 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:40,400 Now, what it says is that a full service gas pump is not constituted right to reviews. 286 00:19:41,860 --> 00:19:49,040 So the question, it came up in the testimony from the copyunters there, that on the property 287 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:58,300 where the column was proposed to go, they asked, well, does this make the AMP, the constant 288 00:19:58,300 --> 00:20:01,040 the full service is this making non-informative. 289 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:02,760 Well, to the extent that you can, 290 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:03,700 when you write legislation, 291 00:20:04,020 --> 00:20:05,380 you don't want to create non-conformatives, 292 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:06,840 unless it's intentional. 293 00:20:07,980 --> 00:20:10,020 And I don't think that that's the intention here. 294 00:20:10,140 --> 00:20:15,420 So that's why drive or like when you go through, 295 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,960 the definition of driving was very specific 296 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,580 and that you don't have to be out of your car. 297 00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:23,100 And the idea was that if you're going there, 298 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,380 you don't necessarily have to be out of your car, 299 00:20:25,500 --> 00:20:26,180 it's full service. 300 00:20:26,180 --> 00:20:28,120 You see the guy in your credit card. 301 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:28,740 Right. 302 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:36,120 And so it's a drive-to service includes drive-up ATMs service for full service gas stations. 303 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:37,300 Right. 304 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:43,980 So an ATM or a full service gas station is considered a drive-to service. 305 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,240 So that's about reading out of the definition. 306 00:20:48,060 --> 00:20:48,820 Excuse me. 307 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:49,560 I didn't find you. 308 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:50,360 There you are. 309 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:52,240 Yeah. We were already doing that. 310 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,800 Last day, that's 17.501. It is the definitions. 311 00:20:57,420 --> 00:20:59,120 And I'm sorry, I didn't turn it into that. 312 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,840 So I don't have to say, oh, it's 37.37. 313 00:21:02,580 --> 00:21:04,280 Well, this one of the reasons, 314 00:21:04,420 --> 00:21:05,020 and that's what I can't say. 315 00:21:05,020 --> 00:21:06,100 It's 37.37. 316 00:21:06,340 --> 00:21:08,600 Yeah, this probably wouldn't be an additional problem. 317 00:21:10,580 --> 00:21:10,980 Wow. 318 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:12,660 I'll try to get some aspects. 319 00:21:23,870 --> 00:21:26,330 Yeah, I mean, that is the way it's written. 320 00:21:26,330 --> 00:21:29,810 the aid, but I think the proposed amendments, 321 00:21:35,220 --> 00:21:42,780 no, you're working on the correct definition of the aid, it's all on yellow, right? 322 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,840 Yeah, it's going to set a new code of the old code. 323 00:21:46,540 --> 00:21:47,380 That's only the code. 324 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:48,440 That's all good. 325 00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:50,880 Yeah, I'm sorry, really, that there's seven of these two. 326 00:21:52,060 --> 00:21:54,340 There's an age range to two on a pattern of that. 327 00:21:55,420 --> 00:21:58,400 I don't think that, I don't think it might as well be this. 328 00:22:03,620 --> 00:22:09,840 It includes dry and horrible service agent which should be, say, dry to your service precludes, 329 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:12,480 dry out the data and start responsible service application. 330 00:22:13,220 --> 00:22:15,680 So that's actually, I should have caught that again. 331 00:22:15,980 --> 00:22:17,980 So I'm sorry, but it's the word precludes? 332 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,140 So it would precludes the supposed to exclude. 333 00:22:24,220 --> 00:22:27,880 So it would precludes the supposed to exclude? 334 00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:29,560 Excellent to set it includes. 335 00:22:30,020 --> 00:22:33,260 I would. Okay. So is this a change that you're suggesting we made? 336 00:22:33,260 --> 00:22:33,540 Yes. 337 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,720 Excluded. Okay. Thank you. 338 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:45,920 So this would go, this would prohibit, for example, and remember the 339 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:51,240 old A and W's we so that that would no longer be allowed. But you could throw up a sat in your car 340 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:57,620 and conduct your business unless you were an ATM or full service gas station. You would be, 341 00:22:57,620 --> 00:22:59,700 It would be her boat. 342 00:23:00,620 --> 00:23:10,020 That's a great question because I think of a drive-in like Mike's drive-in, but I also think that my son would be somewhere in the same way or the W. 343 00:23:10,220 --> 00:23:10,360 Yeah. 344 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:11,980 He'd drive in a drive-out. 345 00:23:12,980 --> 00:23:22,260 Oh, you sit in your car, you ordered and they'd bring it out, but that's kind of a question, pretty old, I guess. 346 00:23:22,260 --> 00:23:22,360 Yes. 347 00:23:23,740 --> 00:23:28,440 So that sort of space assumption is that people are dining and they're correct, right? 348 00:23:31,660 --> 00:23:37,160 But again, they're able to do all of their transaction inside and without leaving the vehicle, 349 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,800 because that's the problem with this definition. 350 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:46,120 But again, this is something that seems to be sort of a fanness type of thing, when the 351 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:51,200 planning committee gets this, they can address those larger sorts of issues, as long as we 352 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:57,680 change that word includes to exclusives, the point of allowing the ATMs and full service 353 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,300 gas stations, the ARCO would not be out of scope for that. 354 00:24:02,620 --> 00:24:03,500 Yes, not for me. 355 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:04,900 And I totally agree with you. 356 00:24:05,020 --> 00:24:10,100 That's definitely, that's an interpretation, right, that you would want to have me. 357 00:24:10,380 --> 00:24:17,260 I mean, if your intention is to have you meet your other car and spend more time in downtown 358 00:24:19,940 --> 00:24:26,920 I would say that that would be a sonic version of my death, and it would just be something 359 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:34,360 that you might clarify with my condition, but if that's more in herbivation tonight, 360 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:40,120 that's how it's expected, which is to say that if any of your sonic comes in, we can say 361 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:44,420 that all of this was actually discussed in the council, and the idea is that it was looking 362 00:24:44,420 --> 00:24:51,200 improve the moving a lot of these right now. It would be a good and we'll have to 363 00:24:52,100 --> 00:24:54,300 explain patiently studying this. 364 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:02,160 And on the gap stage here, so there's also a definition for automobile service 365 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:07,000 station means that building design primarily for the supply of motor fuel oil 366 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,200 deprecation and accessories to motor vehicles, but excluding major repair and 367 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:17,320 overall, and then in the development code, that isn't allowed or used in a community 368 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:18,100 partial tone. 369 00:25:18,540 --> 00:25:21,040 So it's a different use, they asked, it's not. 370 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:30,420 So I do have an issue, does not have any definitions about commercial or retail or anything 371 00:25:30,420 --> 00:25:31,260 like that, right? 372 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:31,740 It is. 373 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,780 I think you're right. 374 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,300 I mean, like, you don't want to focus on payments in a thousand, or if you're excluding 375 00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:44,900 there, it's sad that it is excluded right through the business. Most certain stations are 376 00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:49,340 important to be made right to you, and arguably you don't have, but in the whole reason 377 00:25:49,340 --> 00:25:54,040 you don't have the full service, because you do have a gas station account that provides 378 00:25:54,040 --> 00:26:01,020 full service. But there's an expectation that people have to stop and get gas, and not 379 00:26:01,020 --> 00:26:05,960 everybody can pump it on gas, because what we have meant for years and years is not allowed 380 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:19,080 So, just a clarity of questioning online and related to the ORCO, that is a pre-existing 381 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,120 use and if we change code, that wouldn't affect them anyway, would it? 382 00:26:24,420 --> 00:26:31,390 We're making them non-conforming if you consider the full service items, because they don't 383 00:26:31,390 --> 00:26:34,470 to get out of their car. They can stay entirely in their car. 384 00:26:35,390 --> 00:26:36,750 I mean, it was just making that 385 00:26:38,050 --> 00:26:39,850 those islands market forked. 386 00:26:40,590 --> 00:26:43,050 And say our goat can and they want to 387 00:26:44,410 --> 00:26:47,370 band the use. It counts as 388 00:26:47,370 --> 00:26:51,070 another decision to make how they handle non-performing nieces. 389 00:26:51,690 --> 00:26:53,410 And I have a study in code so I don't know 390 00:26:53,410 --> 00:26:55,250 if there are amortization 391 00:26:55,790 --> 00:26:58,170 clauses meaning that over time you want to 392 00:26:58,170 --> 00:27:00,230 to phase out lung conforming uses, 393 00:27:00,690 --> 00:27:02,550 or if you'd want to allow certain expansions. 394 00:27:02,750 --> 00:27:04,050 I mean, I see a different ways 395 00:27:04,050 --> 00:27:05,570 of different jurisdictions that I work in. 396 00:27:06,210 --> 00:27:10,330 So I think that my individual role 397 00:27:10,330 --> 00:27:11,490 that has that land use matter 398 00:27:11,490 --> 00:27:13,430 is to not create situations where you're creating 399 00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:15,030 a lot of non-gear formalities 400 00:27:15,030 --> 00:27:16,010 when you do them in the company. 401 00:27:17,170 --> 00:27:18,030 Yeah, that makes sense. 402 00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:19,010 And I think that's, again, 403 00:27:19,010 --> 00:27:20,630 the lower reason you have the fun 404 00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:22,290 with those other stuff. 405 00:27:22,530 --> 00:27:25,230 So I think it gave us a little more insight. 406 00:27:25,230 --> 00:27:27,390 But I think it's for tonight's activity. 407 00:27:28,290 --> 00:27:32,950 I think we get a certain global way of trying machine computer based on feedback from 408 00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:33,270 it. 409 00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:35,790 But any other question you can, all of my thoughts? 410 00:27:36,510 --> 00:27:42,110 It's curious why we're excluding the drive up, I guess it would be in drive up or drive 411 00:27:42,110 --> 00:27:42,890 through ATM. 412 00:27:44,250 --> 00:27:49,750 Then drive up, different than in drive through, we can drive up, you're getting out, right? 413 00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:51,070 Drive through, you're not. 414 00:27:51,570 --> 00:27:56,210 So, why do we have to exclude driver explicitly? 415 00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:58,210 I guess you don't have to. 416 00:28:02,970 --> 00:28:03,850 That was... 417 00:28:03,850 --> 00:28:05,550 So, this is what I understand. 418 00:28:05,670 --> 00:28:07,930 This is a definition of what we have in our current code. 419 00:28:08,590 --> 00:28:08,710 Yeah. 420 00:28:08,890 --> 00:28:13,070 So, we exclude all of them. 421 00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:18,450 I mean, we prohibit the driver from telling that we include ATM. 422 00:28:18,450 --> 00:28:22,690 So for us to leave the gas pumps, NADM services, 423 00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:27,130 a bay level high price of in-times would have to change 424 00:28:27,130 --> 00:28:28,010 if it's possible. 425 00:28:28,550 --> 00:28:32,430 But this is the question which you would be nice and bring it 426 00:28:32,430 --> 00:28:34,890 to have plenty of vision to go for all the details 427 00:28:34,890 --> 00:28:39,750 and actually figure out like there's a car wash 428 00:28:40,350 --> 00:28:45,130 would be considered as a dry food or dry food service. 429 00:28:45,130 --> 00:28:50,950 There's a, you know, a quick boil change is considered as a drive-through, as a full-serve 430 00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:51,530 and so on. 431 00:28:51,910 --> 00:28:58,710 If there is, like, prohibiting it in general, you can create a lot of actual play-through 432 00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:59,210 one space. 433 00:28:59,210 --> 00:29:02,770 We don't address it in the nearest future. 434 00:29:03,610 --> 00:29:09,210 So Daniel made us out of an obligated lake of to-do by thinking in the lake of the places. 435 00:29:09,970 --> 00:29:10,990 And he said, well, I see. 436 00:29:10,990 --> 00:29:15,150 We don't have any right or right through ATMs in town, my knowledge. 437 00:29:15,670 --> 00:29:16,130 Great. 438 00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:22,650 We used to have an ATM together at the town, and Columbia, or was it Columbia back? 439 00:29:22,730 --> 00:29:25,450 Oh, but it wasn't get out of the car, wasn't it? 440 00:29:25,690 --> 00:29:25,850 Yeah. 441 00:29:28,750 --> 00:29:32,110 That would be to ask underneath the convenient version of it. 442 00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:32,390 Yeah. 443 00:29:33,050 --> 00:29:34,530 So it's possible. 444 00:29:35,670 --> 00:29:40,910 It's possible to take it out of a language by ATMs, that's an option. 445 00:29:40,910 --> 00:29:41,690 I 446 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:53,020 don't see why we would keep it, unless it doesn't make sense to me, but I guess that's 447 00:29:55,820 --> 00:29:59,380 So if that's the case, I mean, my file as we take it out. 448 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:29,900 I'm going to have a fine commission to deal with it and really be armed up to here. It's to protect the. Article would so it's not informing that's fully the objective right now. So, rather than add. Working closely complexity, that it's at the moment, we'll look at the planning commission back to us with the recommendations. This other. Services, as well. So he's suggesting you say that last sentence would be driving service, the excludes, full service, gas. 449 00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:36,780 stations are running. That's it. And then, leading the bolster, gas stations, is that allowed? 450 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:38,600 Execoded, put one in. 451 00:30:45,850 --> 00:30:51,070 At this point, if they need all the requirements, we're talking about the handful of properties here. 452 00:30:51,210 --> 00:30:55,410 There's not like a new lot of space when you look at the map of where these are going to go, 453 00:30:55,770 --> 00:30:57,810 but so I guess the rate is possible. 454 00:31:06,180 --> 00:31:07,060 Okay, do you have any other functions? 455 00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:18,430 So that means that we can make finalized breaks. 456 00:31:19,730 --> 00:31:22,090 So now we're going to open another testimony. 457 00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:28,910 Just nine rules received by the testimony, the points of the application first, 458 00:31:29,170 --> 00:31:32,490 the points of the application that speaks back in the notes that are made from. 459 00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:35,250 We'll speak third. 460 00:31:36,770 --> 00:31:42,850 So is there anyone here that is wishing to speak in favor of the applicant that's forgotten? 461 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,160 It played a lot of things. 462 00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:05,020 Thank you. 463 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:07,440 Thank you. 464 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:07,680 Thank you. 465 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:08,320 Welcome. 466 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,160 It's Victor and Andrew Storke. 467 00:32:10,620 --> 00:32:13,760 Brian McKay, 8670, Northeast Wardenville Road. 468 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:15,020 Thank you. 469 00:32:15,060 --> 00:32:15,260 Thank you, Brian. 470 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:45,180 I just wanted to kind of point out that kind of the key thing that I had highlighted, which was, you know, the county and the state funded somewhere along the lines of $350 million to build a live pass to basically improve the traffic situation in town to make it more walkable to make it a destiny. 471 00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:46,740 And should I have heard you get echo all that? 472 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,240 And I just wanted to kind of reinforce that, right? 473 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,000 We were bestowed a huge investment. 474 00:32:52,340 --> 00:32:54,440 I mean, a third of a billion dollars, right? 475 00:32:55,380 --> 00:32:56,960 That's very, very significant. 476 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,840 And I think it's on us to make sure that we are good students 477 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,720 of that investment. 478 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:04,440 That's it. 479 00:33:05,740 --> 00:33:06,360 Thank you. 480 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:07,780 And give him, thank you. 481 00:33:08,460 --> 00:33:11,020 You know, we're still working to finish the other face 482 00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:12,500 of the White House as well, right? 483 00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:17,860 So yeah, maybe even probably maybe work right or come on. 484 00:33:17,860 --> 00:33:19,700 Yeah, I'm going to be cordial to be awesome. 485 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,940 Thank you. 486 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:22,220 All right. 487 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:22,840 Well, thank you. 488 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,560 So Lauren. 489 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:28,900 Lauren here. 490 00:33:29,460 --> 00:33:29,680 Lauren. 491 00:33:30,140 --> 00:33:30,860 Thank you. 492 00:33:31,180 --> 00:33:31,380 Welcome. 493 00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:34,900 My name's Lauren Thompson. 494 00:33:36,260 --> 00:33:38,640 I'm kind of coming here with just a general question. 495 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:44,920 more than anything. I used to be the manager for SIP City, which was a coffee shop in Newberg, 496 00:33:44,940 --> 00:33:52,780 that just recently closed. And we are in the process of seeking out a new space to go. 497 00:33:53,140 --> 00:33:57,340 And so we actually have considered Dundee as a space that we wanted to enter because of its 498 00:33:57,340 --> 00:34:02,380 love of small business and how much this community thrives on supporting small businesses. 499 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:08,520 And it's been a woman owned business for over 30 years in the Newberg area. And we have a lot 500 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:14,800 customers who are from here. So my question is, is like, based off of everything I'm hearing, 501 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:22,480 which I understand all of it, are efforts in vain to keep continuing to look at them? 502 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,980 Do you have the space that we might be able to put our new building or be a part of, or should we 503 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:36,000 hold that search? Does that make sense? So I appreciate you coming. We're not in a position to 504 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,800 answer that question. Come here. Okay. We're happy to have a conversation with you 505 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:45,180 out of the lines. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We're happy to get engaged as well. I think I'm 506 00:34:45,180 --> 00:34:49,540 so happy for sure. Okay. Okay. Thank you. I've learned more about what we were 507 00:34:49,540 --> 00:34:53,860 interested in doing. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That'd be lovely. Thank you so much. 508 00:34:54,180 --> 00:35:01,580 Thank you for coming. We have one more. Just going to try area. Area. 509 00:35:01,580 --> 00:35:09,880 at the year, just to add to that. So after tonight, if this council drive through uses would 510 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:17,380 not be allowed in the senior year in the commercial discharge, so just some of you will care on it. 511 00:35:19,970 --> 00:35:25,310 My name is Ariane and I'm in my there, 1, 7, 6, kind of on the street and then deep. And that's kind of, 512 00:35:25,890 --> 00:35:30,270 I have a small business owner, I have a entrepreneur, I've been to law and pretenders, 513 00:35:30,890 --> 00:35:39,030 Now, our business and when I was in Bradenburg for not having drive-through because of franchises, 514 00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:44,050 things like Donald's kind of large things to take away from our small businesses. 515 00:35:44,750 --> 00:35:49,170 And I guess that is kind of, I mean, maybe you guys have discussed this, 516 00:35:49,310 --> 00:35:53,130 but what about small businesses? What about non-franchises? 517 00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:57,510 If we were able to just change, I mean, I don't know, if I'm not immune to this stuff, 518 00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:59,990 It sounds like you're just like, hey, let's change this vocabulary. 519 00:36:01,310 --> 00:36:04,550 Why can't we work towards still being open to? 520 00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:11,290 I had no idea if City was going to be here, but I had a narrative story and I know 521 00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:17,230 the small businesses that have aren't now able to open up a coffee shops or other small 522 00:36:17,230 --> 00:36:17,650 business. 523 00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:26,110 If I was a entrepreneur in town, why it seems like it shuts down branches of businesses 524 00:36:26,110 --> 00:36:31,810 that want to grow in this wonderful place. So is that still a possibility to discuss? 525 00:36:33,110 --> 00:36:37,570 Are you asking about the drive-through? Yeah, so in the drive-through, why can't we be 526 00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:44,650 more specific on like a lot of franchise businesses versus small-town events? 527 00:36:45,110 --> 00:36:49,070 You can, I guess, experiment against business just because of their name. 528 00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:52,310 So that's real quick. 529 00:36:52,890 --> 00:36:59,850 But who the planning commission created code that says, for example, how many cards are in it? 530 00:37:00,010 --> 00:37:03,750 The number of things that they could go about. 531 00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:11,130 And like I had mentioned, you could go get, where does it make sense to try to reduce it? 532 00:37:11,410 --> 00:37:13,810 Where is like other business streets that are on? 533 00:37:13,810 --> 00:37:21,410 I remember that you will be okay with that and you drive through this zone and then you look at that and then that's what you talk about. 534 00:37:21,730 --> 00:37:25,930 Maybe there's an overlay or a summary you want from any questions. 535 00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:33,870 And I was saying also that the other side of the coin is that you can also look at it. 536 00:37:34,010 --> 00:37:36,590 We're promoting lock up and sit down distances. 537 00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:41,690 That's the other side of the coin is that we're trying to really encourage that. 538 00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:50,410 I do that. And walking up makes sense. I'm thinking of the small, long lifetops, like 539 00:37:50,410 --> 00:37:57,530 acidity specifically. It's just so interesting that they're exactly what I'm talking about. 540 00:37:58,210 --> 00:38:04,490 And I get not discriminating specifically, big business names, but just general saying, 541 00:38:04,490 --> 00:38:11,290 I'm not saying, I'm not a dog, I am saying that, but I'm saying it, yeah, that's all I have to say. 542 00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:19,370 One thing I would encourage when it goes in front of you, even if I out, so when this comes up in the planning commission, 543 00:38:19,650 --> 00:38:29,730 you were able to provide your input to allow them, and maybe they'll craft a solution that will allow small businesses to be able to have those sort of things. 544 00:38:29,730 --> 00:38:34,750 I just feel like there's like another level there that isn't, yeah, I think that it's not 545 00:38:35,950 --> 00:38:42,750 walking or walking versus the walk of only people are wanting a small business to strive, 546 00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:57,890 you know, to be strong and that it shouldn't be screaming against a small version of a 547 00:39:05,930 --> 00:39:10,770 I'm assuming that we have, that's a question as well, it's kind of going up on all this. 548 00:39:11,550 --> 00:39:15,530 When a business comes in, we still have to do things like traffic studies and stuff, right? 549 00:39:16,450 --> 00:39:16,630 Okay. 550 00:39:18,510 --> 00:39:20,270 So I think that's very important. 551 00:39:20,590 --> 00:39:20,910 That was it. 552 00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:30,550 Okay, I mean, I love SIP city, but I mean the reason did you see the traffic when just on 99 it was just different lines and it wouldn't differ a little bit 553 00:39:31,490 --> 00:39:36,090 But you said also the fence ago, I mean you can see when going on the other place off the side of the road 554 00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:39,950 Well, you have to set the town so you have one in each corner so you don't want to do the process streak or something 555 00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:44,050 You can see things like that happening as long as there's like a traffic study still being done 556 00:39:44,670 --> 00:39:49,370 That was it. Yeah, it's loaded and not even on it's it says a state 557 00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:51,530 it's state so got and got a very 558 00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:56,730 prescribable room that you can get for 559 00:39:56,730 --> 00:39:58,090 restricting about what's a 560 00:39:58,090 --> 00:39:59,790 lot of anger. It's not one of the other 561 00:39:59,790 --> 00:40:01,070 stuff for bail or not. I have a 562 00:40:01,070 --> 00:40:03,270 switch. I remember hearing this. It's 563 00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:04,750 in the planning commission and in 564 00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:06,390 North Plains. So we're working very 565 00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:08,030 hard to keep on our streets out by 566 00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:10,150 the state and not the city for little 567 00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:12,110 reasons like that. So thank you. 568 00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:14,210 Thank you very much. Any other 569 00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:16,950 any other comments? If not, I'll close 570 00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:28,790 the hearing, and see if there are any other final questions for the members of council 571 00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:33,970 or staff for any clarification or any further questions or comments. 572 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:44,660 So, 573 00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:55,040 if we are allowing full service gas stations, would a full service gas station be with 574 00:40:55,040 --> 00:41:01,840 a McDonald's inside, or even like the one with the private brothers, would that business 575 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,640 inside the business be allowed with this? 576 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:10,260 Now, we have tried a bit with the reconstituted separate drive to use. I think that it was 577 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:16,140 tied to the S.H. and I think that the idea is that maybe we may be aware that it's 578 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:22,820 both sort of complex or both sort of silence or something are what is being assumed from 579 00:41:22,820 --> 00:41:23,300 the definition. 580 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,620 Well, it's the drive to window, right, that is, oh, I'm sorry, I think you're thinking because 581 00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:34,440 As we exclude full-service gas stations, can they likely take the other shell and sound 582 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,120 that as a guide of the other on the batter side? 583 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:39,200 Yeah. 584 00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:40,240 Basically different views. 585 00:41:41,460 --> 00:41:41,980 So 586 00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:47,680 should we have any information really? 587 00:41:47,860 --> 00:41:48,240 Well, yes. 588 00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:51,620 I know the reason why the planning commission should look at this. 589 00:41:51,740 --> 00:41:57,160 But I think for this particular point, and we should get the planning commission to move 590 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:07,340 relatively quickly on this dear point, but I think for Adel, I think the objective, I think 591 00:42:07,340 --> 00:42:17,420 that we hadn't restarted this process was to put in place this ordinance now, and we'll 592 00:42:17,420 --> 00:42:23,320 go back, there's more things to craft, and we'll have another fighter, too, with the Adel 593 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,680 and say something, I guess, because we don't have a lot of answers. 594 00:42:26,780 --> 00:42:33,320 With that, the item of course is ordinance number five, 595 00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:36,760 none of the three deaths, 20, 26, and ordinance 30, 596 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,320 and then the initial code of amendments 597 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,980 for the drive to establish in the community, commercial, 598 00:42:42,420 --> 00:42:45,580 zone, and we will be driving through signs, standards, 599 00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:50,940 other GAMC chatters, 17.202, 17.203. 600 00:42:52,460 --> 00:42:54,260 And so the 601 00:42:57,110 --> 00:43:03,730 potential ordinance here to be applied to this area and I have faith in us to what it's done. 602 00:43:13,330 --> 00:43:20,470 So, the ordinance of approving the Dunning Institute of DMC amendment for drive-through establishments of community 603 00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:22,670 the commercial and the moving drive through 604 00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:23,510 exhaust speakers. 605 00:43:24,010 --> 00:43:29,030 The NCE chapter 17.202 and 17.203. 606 00:43:30,490 --> 00:43:35,310 So I'm seeking emotions to move this, 607 00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:38,670 do we need to close the public hearing? 608 00:43:39,930 --> 00:43:40,870 I thought I did. 609 00:43:41,790 --> 00:43:42,350 I think it's good. 610 00:43:43,170 --> 00:43:46,070 But by that I close the public hearing just in record. 611 00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:47,190 What do we have? 612 00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:49,150 We have somebody online there with a, 613 00:43:49,150 --> 00:43:53,590 I mean, that's Carrie Wittler, she's a lady's attorney, so she's found one thing. 614 00:43:53,890 --> 00:43:55,490 And let's raise your hands up. 615 00:43:55,630 --> 00:43:57,530 Oh, there's good hands up there. 616 00:43:59,850 --> 00:44:00,930 Thank you. 617 00:44:01,490 --> 00:44:04,330 Sorry, thank you, Mayor and Council. 618 00:44:04,650 --> 00:44:05,810 My name is Carrie Richter. 619 00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:10,850 I am the contract land use attorney who's kind of been helping the city on this. 620 00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:17,210 And I just wanted to remind the Council, if you're going to make any substantive amendment to 621 00:44:17,210 --> 00:44:23,290 proposed ordinance which would be your change in the wording of the definition that you were talking 622 00:44:23,290 --> 00:44:31,910 about. It needs to be read aloud as part of this meeting if that's the direction the council wants 623 00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:39,970 to go. So I just before you I think you take a motion you get a second and then maybe Brad if you're 624 00:44:39,970 --> 00:44:45,970 We're prepared to read that amendment just so we're clear that we get that and as part 625 00:44:45,970 --> 00:44:46,630 of the motion. 626 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:49,400 Thank you. 627 00:44:49,460 --> 00:44:49,980 That makes sense. 628 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:50,800 Thank you. 629 00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:52,060 Okay. 630 00:44:52,260 --> 00:44:53,000 So we have it first. 631 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:53,720 You're in. 632 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:59,340 I move to a dashboard in December by 93-16 with these. 633 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,000 I have amendments that we will discuss with that. So, first, the second, so, Brad, do 634 00:45:12,610 --> 00:45:19,210 you 635 00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:37,150 want to 636 00:45:37,150 --> 00:45:43,130 do service means it is where patrons can enter aside care transactions or receive service 637 00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:47,490 and exit the site without leaving their vehicles. Drive to your service, 638 00:45:47,810 --> 00:45:50,090 the excludes and full service caskations. 639 00:45:52,530 --> 00:45:57,030 And we would, we would wait for you on from that. 640 00:45:58,450 --> 00:46:03,570 Can we have a second? A little bit. We did have a second, a person's second. Any other questions 641 00:46:03,570 --> 00:46:19,060 or comments. But now we do actually have to do a roll call by name. And so we'll start this 642 00:46:19,060 --> 00:46:26,100 council president. I vote yay for changing the community commercial level and adopting ordinance 643 00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:28,760 is number 593-2026. 644 00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:29,820 Thank you. 645 00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:33,820 Frank, Brian Wilde, I spoke to you 646 00:46:33,820 --> 00:46:37,020 to adopt ordinance number 593-2026. 647 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,440 Thousand or number so, 648 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,900 I will be aiming on adopting ordinance number 593-2026. 649 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,420 David Hitson, I'll vote yes on as amended. 650 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,260 Constantly round two, but I go to this, 651 00:46:52,260 --> 00:46:57,000 So I'm going to address number 590-2026 as I mentioned. 652 00:46:57,940 --> 00:47:02,360 There are four votes. Yes, charge to adjust the emotion as an entity. 653 00:47:03,220 --> 00:47:06,060 So with that, we have unanimous vote of counsel. 654 00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:13,340 And so I'm supposed to restate the decision whether or not it's approved. 655 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:20,300 It was an emergency and so we're proving this as an emergency and we will make it effective 656 00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:22,400 and close to this business, maybe. 657 00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:26,400 So I think you carry the right hand around 658 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,200 you need to be out of the emergency motion. 659 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:31,320 Okay. 660 00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:32,340 Do you recommend it out there? 661 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,020 I'm one of them. 662 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,100 And so we have to do another vote. 663 00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:35,780 Yes. 664 00:47:36,060 --> 00:47:36,260 Okay. 665 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,860 We need four of us on the right hand. 666 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:39,100 Yes. 667 00:47:40,380 --> 00:47:45,320 We're, it is on the first motion for 100 big green. 668 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:45,800 Yeah. 669 00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:46,440 Letting. 670 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:47,480 Okay. 671 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,680 So, the following motion is read by the council. 672 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:59,080 This is the motion, the emergency motion moved that the rules be suspended and the ordinance 673 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:04,560 number five, nine, three, dash, twenty, eight, eight, six, three, red, a second time by 674 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:09,360 all of them declared emergency in place and be placed on final passage. 675 00:48:10,820 --> 00:48:11,980 So I need a motion. 676 00:48:18,940 --> 00:48:25,260 I knew the rules would be suspended, and the ordinance number 5.3-2.026 be read a set of 677 00:48:25,260 --> 00:48:29,740 time, that's not only, but they're in emergency and place enough final tests. 678 00:48:30,740 --> 00:48:30,880 So that's it. 679 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:39,400 We have three seconds, it's hang, exactly, and so then any other questions or comments on 680 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:39,560 that? 681 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,920 How's everything around, but not all called for by name, 682 00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:48,800 its councilmember, I'm also, sort of, by gov-a-d. 683 00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:51,480 Not by me, but I'll say, very well, it'll gov-a-d. 684 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,560 Councilor Grusso, okay. 685 00:48:54,220 --> 00:48:56,580 If it is any a-d, that's not the case, but it's eight. 686 00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,280 Okay, so that passes. 687 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,500 Now, I move to, where I're. 688 00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:04,820 Maybe is someone getting your vote? 689 00:49:05,180 --> 00:49:05,520 Oh yeah. 690 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,580 I will give you a technical feedback. 691 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,160 So many of them are in this motion. 692 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:18,640 It's an explosion. 693 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,100 There's a chunk of people you've already added that motion. 694 00:49:21,260 --> 00:49:22,560 So I just kind of give it that first. 695 00:49:23,620 --> 00:49:25,220 I think it's fine. 696 00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:30,680 I think that the first reading by title. 697 00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:34,080 We've had the second reading by title and it was unanimous both times. 698 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:40,500 So, I think you are concluded on this question, and I believe that the ordinance is effective. 699 00:49:42,380 --> 00:49:46,500 Okay. Thank you. Thank you for your guidance. Thank you for the staff. 700 00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:54,160 What did you do on this? I know this has been a, you know, it's an interesting piece of work, 701 00:49:54,160 --> 00:50:05,480 And I think also I'd like to thank Mel, so I work on some of that and I've done looking at this in more detail. 702 00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:15,300 And for your recommendation to move this to, it's fine admission for further discussion because we haven't been forward to doing it. 703 00:50:15,340 --> 00:50:17,080 It's on our code for sure. 704 00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:23,460 And now we'll move to any other questions. 705 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:29,460 Council of concerns or comments before we update the public. 706 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:38,680 Sorry. I was several 100 long length or defend by the public for the input to resolution. 707 00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:41,540 I'm actually being present and we would like to see more often. 708 00:50:41,540 --> 00:50:48,600 We can't do much in it and we'll try to make it more accessible for the material that 709 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:49,400 is on impact. 710 00:50:50,060 --> 00:50:56,260 So to try to get familiar with all the Jones we have and what areas are actually enacted 711 00:50:56,260 --> 00:50:59,840 by the resolutions and ordinances we make. 712 00:51:00,180 --> 00:51:05,720 So that will give the public a better understanding why you know how it is done. 713 00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:10,320 But overall, thank you very much for being part of this amazing meeting. 714 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,700 Thank you, Councilor. 715 00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:15,580 What he said. 716 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:16,640 Thank you. 717 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:17,120 It looks seriously. 718 00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:17,800 Thanks. 719 00:51:19,660 --> 00:51:20,700 So, yes. 720 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,980 I would like to also thank everyone here for being here. 721 00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:26,180 Public involvement is an important process. 722 00:51:26,420 --> 00:51:30,160 It helps us be informed and to make better decisions on your behalf. 723 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,160 So thank you for your engagement and for your time. 724 00:51:35,020 --> 00:51:38,240 The other thing I just wanted to say a little quickly. 725 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,320 For those that have seen the yellow for the orange flags that are hanging 726 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:49,840 of the walkways. Those are intended for that. It came out of a program of volunteers here, 727 00:51:51,360 --> 00:52:00,180 downtown D.A.J. and the industry program. And it was an idea that came through just some public 728 00:52:00,180 --> 00:52:05,080 dialogue with people getting together to say, what could we do to make the city more walkable, 729 00:52:05,340 --> 00:52:10,920 more accessible, even safer. And so one of the volunteers did that, and so I'm getting some 730 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:17,500 a lot of credit for this, he took this on and let it and was persistent in getting it. 731 00:52:18,580 --> 00:52:24,420 Pass it on one of those little flags for you, pull out one end and use it to walk across the street 732 00:52:24,420 --> 00:52:31,380 to give people's attention to 90% to be pretty busy for those walk across it. So I just want to acknowledge 733 00:52:31,380 --> 00:52:39,980 that. So anything on your own? Pretty? Okay. If not any other public comments this evening, 734 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:42,040 Very not. 735 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:43,440 What's your opinion? 736 00:52:43,860 --> 00:52:44,660 Thank you. 737 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,000 Is 738 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:46,860 it 739 00:52:46,860 --> 00:52:47,620 important? 740 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:49,020 Okay. 741 00:52:49,260 --> 00:52:49,880 So that was 742 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:50,440 stables. 743 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:50,660 All right.