1 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:27,580 Roll call, please. 2 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:33,580 Let the record reflect that a quorum on members is present, commissioner Metzger and commissioner Stein absent. 3 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,980 All right. Follow me again. Pledge of Allegiance, please. 4 00:03:45,340 --> 00:03:51,680 For which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 5 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:53,640 Thank you. 6 00:03:57,030 --> 00:04:03,650 Oral communications. Are there any members of the public who wish to speak on non-agenda items today? 7 00:04:03,650 --> 00:04:04,790 Seeing 8 00:04:06,970 --> 00:04:07,270 none, 9 00:04:09,490 --> 00:04:15,530 can we get approval of the minutes of the regular meeting of June 9th, 2026? 10 00:04:16,150 --> 00:04:16,310 I'm 11 00:04:20,310 --> 00:04:21,510 sorry, I don't have my glasses. 12 00:04:21,590 --> 00:04:22,510 We'll put them on. 13 00:04:23,050 --> 00:04:27,090 We move through the minutes of the regular meeting of June 9th, 2026. 14 00:04:29,460 --> 00:04:30,440 I'll second that. 15 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,160 And I neglected to mention today's date. 16 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:37,780 I apologize. 17 00:04:38,180 --> 00:04:41,480 Today is Tuesday, July 14th, 2026. 18 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,640 6. Moving on, do we have any department reports? 19 00:04:48,610 --> 00:04:51,110 Oh, I'm sorry. Take a vote on the motion. 20 00:04:56,790 --> 00:05:00,450 You can still vote so long as you're comfortable voting if yes. 21 00:05:05,890 --> 00:05:07,710 Motion carries. All present voting aye. 22 00:05:08,890 --> 00:05:13,090 Thank you. The next item is department reports. 23 00:05:14,250 --> 00:05:15,870 Staff has no update today. Thank you. 24 00:05:20,090 --> 00:05:22,290 Check that general 25 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:30,080 business review the three accessory dwelling unit floor plans and designs 26 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,160 for the city's pre-approved accessory dwelling unit program. 27 00:05:35,810 --> 00:05:37,440 Is there a staff presentation please? 28 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:38,220 There is. 29 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:39,540 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 30 00:05:40,180 --> 00:05:45,380 So as part of the 2024 housing element update, the city set forth certain policies and 31 00:05:45,380 --> 00:05:50,320 goals that they're going to follow through within that element update cycle. 32 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:55,500 So one of those is to create pre-approved ADU plans that can be used by any applicant 33 00:05:55,500 --> 00:05:56,000 in the city. 34 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,920 The idea is to have the review process be more streamlined and more cost effective. 35 00:06:00,500 --> 00:06:05,560 So they'll have to look at certain site plan, things that are specific to the site obviously, 36 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:09,600 but as far as engineering and construction, they'll all be standardized. 37 00:06:10,180 --> 00:06:16,040 So in early 2025, we put out an RFP to find a firm that can help us put together 38 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:16,640 those designs. 39 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,340 we ended up with our M design group who's been working with us since then which 40 00:06:21,340 --> 00:06:26,020 has been a great process creating three specific layouts that can be used and 41 00:06:26,020 --> 00:06:30,120 then also three architectural designs that can be mixed into those. So there's 42 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,440 different combinations that can be used for those pre-approved designs. We went 43 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,760 through and looked at a lot of different sites and Randy will walk you 44 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:41,380 through sort of our thought process around both the designs and then 45 00:06:41,380 --> 00:06:44,380 and also the sizes that we landed on. 46 00:06:44,860 --> 00:06:47,240 So I'll kick it to him and we'll work through these. 47 00:06:47,540 --> 00:06:50,280 Happy to answer any questions as we go through this. 48 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:52,500 Yeah, thank you. 49 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:53,980 Thanks Randy. 50 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:54,620 I'm 51 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:02,540 Randy Bressen with our design group. 52 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,840 You'll forgive my coughing and hopefully I had the pleasure 53 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:08,800 of my granddaughter being out from Colorado last weekend 54 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,080 and she passed along summer cold to me. 55 00:07:11,220 --> 00:07:13,120 So hopefully you can bear with me. 56 00:07:14,260 --> 00:07:17,120 Thank you for letting me make this presentation 57 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,500 and sharing our program with you. 58 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,580 Kurt, could we sort of start with our process document? 59 00:07:24,740 --> 00:07:25,840 Is that what we have up here? 60 00:07:31,420 --> 00:07:34,280 So we don't pull these things out of the air. 61 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:35,860 We try to go through some process 62 00:07:35,860 --> 00:07:39,020 that customizes the solution to your city. 63 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,100 I've done these in probably 40 jurisdictions 64 00:07:41,100 --> 00:07:41,940 throughout the state. 65 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,300 And what we typically will do is working with staff, 66 00:07:46,540 --> 00:07:49,680 we're gonna take a look at your architectural styles. 67 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:55,120 We're going to look at your, I would like to call them opportunities, basically your 68 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:00,040 lot stock, see what we can fit in there because it's often an RFP may have three different 69 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,700 sizes that have nothing to do with what really we can put on a site. 70 00:08:03,820 --> 00:08:04,940 So we like to back check that. 71 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:11,520 And then we check things like what ADUs have already been permitted and built around 72 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:11,700 here. 73 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,460 Best example of what people want to build is what they've already done. 74 00:08:14,660 --> 00:08:15,940 So we sort of use this process. 75 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,420 This is the document where we produce a context study. 76 00:08:18,420 --> 00:08:23,280 And, Kirk, if you just want to step through, I'll speak to it really briefly here. 77 00:08:23,980 --> 00:08:32,050 We picked out, we looked here, someone in Mac picked out different areas that had slightly 78 00:08:32,050 --> 00:08:36,190 different minimal lot sizes and configurations. 79 00:08:36,690 --> 00:08:39,290 These are essentially, we're calling them typical examples. 80 00:08:40,270 --> 00:08:43,270 I don't know if anything here is typical, to be honest with you, but it was our 81 00:08:43,270 --> 00:08:44,270 best shot at this. 82 00:08:44,570 --> 00:08:49,290 From this, we started identifying these, you know, here's your lot configurations 83 00:08:49,290 --> 00:08:54,350 And the areas that might be available for putting ADUs on, which starts speaking to 84 00:08:54,350 --> 00:09:00,790 length and width of them or configuration, sometimes we might find ones that really need 85 00:09:00,790 --> 00:09:05,470 a very skinny design that's only 40 feet wide for a 50-foot lot. 86 00:09:06,770 --> 00:09:09,610 Sometimes L-shaped ones, it can vary with different cities. 87 00:09:09,790 --> 00:09:11,170 This is a process we used with yours. 88 00:09:11,710 --> 00:09:14,710 We went through and test fit those along with parking, I think. 89 00:09:14,910 --> 00:09:16,230 Did we have some of those on here? 90 00:09:16,370 --> 00:09:18,070 I'm not sure if we have that in this selection. 91 00:09:19,390 --> 00:09:19,710 Parking. 92 00:09:19,890 --> 00:09:20,450 Yeah, we did. 93 00:09:20,770 --> 00:09:24,750 It's kind of hard to see on here, but we also even tried to identify how we're going to 94 00:09:24,750 --> 00:09:28,870 deal with parking because you do have a requirement for that here, which is kind of unique for 95 00:09:28,870 --> 00:09:29,270 your city. 96 00:09:30,550 --> 00:09:35,230 From that, we also kind of go around the community and identify styles, which is 97 00:09:35,230 --> 00:09:36,330 what the next section is here. 98 00:09:37,890 --> 00:09:38,610 You live here. 99 00:09:38,690 --> 00:09:42,610 I don't have to belabor this, but this is our process we go through to say what 100 00:09:42,610 --> 00:09:43,690 would be appropriate. 101 00:09:44,130 --> 00:09:46,930 A lot of this comes out of the RFP, but also we test this sometimes. 102 00:09:46,930 --> 00:09:52,270 I've had communities that didn't know that they had about 15-20% of their buildings were 103 00:09:52,270 --> 00:09:55,450 tutor style and they were all surprised by it. 104 00:09:55,450 --> 00:09:58,070 We didn't do it but they were surprised at how prevalent that was. 105 00:09:58,250 --> 00:10:00,910 Anyway, we want to go through that so we make a good fit. 106 00:10:01,770 --> 00:10:04,930 Now we can bring up the, this is my clicker here, bring up the other presentation. 107 00:10:05,730 --> 00:10:15,090 So from that process we end up, we started probably with 12 different examples to identify 108 00:10:15,090 --> 00:10:22,770 by what the values were, what the characteristics were for your ADUs that would be right for 109 00:10:22,770 --> 00:10:28,950 your city. I have communities where bedrooms are everything. How many bedrooms can we squeeze 110 00:10:28,950 --> 00:10:33,850 in this? And I'll tell you, I have a three-bedroom, 750 square foot design. As tight as that seems 111 00:10:33,850 --> 00:10:37,590 that is valuable in certain communities. That is not what your communities look like. 112 00:10:37,650 --> 00:10:41,270 It was exactly the opposite of that. It was these things are used, are going to be 113 00:10:41,270 --> 00:10:44,130 used not only as ADUs, but they're going to be used as granites. They're going 114 00:10:44,130 --> 00:10:50,450 uses guest houses for people and so we need to build flexibility into him and build a level 115 00:10:50,450 --> 00:10:57,790 of character like volume ceilings and things like that are consistent with the community. 116 00:10:59,010 --> 00:11:03,130 Nobody really cared that we had lots of washer and dryer space, that was not what this was 117 00:11:03,130 --> 00:11:03,630 going to be about. 118 00:11:04,010 --> 00:11:07,490 So it was a little bit different for us but it was great to hear we talked to 119 00:11:07,490 --> 00:11:13,890 a few locals, a builder, maybe two builders, that's all that showed up for our attempt 120 00:11:13,890 --> 00:11:18,130 to talk to people but we do get some feedback and they had some great input on on some of this stuff. 121 00:11:18,450 --> 00:11:24,150 Anyway, we ended up with these three different plans. It was the smallest of them right around 400 122 00:11:24,150 --> 00:11:24,770 square feet. 123 00:11:27,430 --> 00:11:33,270 You'll notice that this has a very, this is what we call an efficiency kitchen. It's 124 00:11:33,270 --> 00:11:37,230 about a smaller kitchen as you can do in something. In fact, we even considered the 125 00:11:37,230 --> 00:11:43,370 washer and dryer being those single unit under cabinet styles. This could be configured as a 126 00:11:43,370 --> 00:11:50,370 one bedroom or as a studio so that whole space could be open. We put those walls in optionally 127 00:11:50,370 --> 00:11:58,190 as well as the closet there. The way we structure these things allows for a lot of flexibility. 128 00:11:59,310 --> 00:12:04,310 We do have engineered structure. It's not just right out of the code so it allows 129 00:12:04,310 --> 00:12:11,610 us to design for a lot of flexibility. Any of these openings could be changed into 130 00:12:11,610 --> 00:12:16,130 slider. If you had a five-foot opening for a bedroom window, you wanted to have it open 131 00:12:16,130 --> 00:12:20,470 to a patio, drop a slider in there if we don't have a problem with that. We'll do the title 132 00:12:20,470 --> 00:12:25,870 24 energy compliance to account for worst case scenarios. So we try to build flexibility 133 00:12:25,870 --> 00:12:30,670 into these. I think it's something I really want to let you guys know that's what's 134 00:12:30,670 --> 00:12:37,390 going on here. We also generate these in the three different styles. Kind of a coastal 135 00:12:37,390 --> 00:12:38,210 cottage style, 136 00:12:41,410 --> 00:12:49,370 a Mediterranean influenced, fits in anywhere in California, and then a little more 137 00:12:49,370 --> 00:12:57,010 uniquely to you guys is a contemporary modern style. You'll notice as we go through each of these 138 00:12:57,550 --> 00:13:03,510 plans, they will all have those same styles replicated, and I want to 139 00:13:04,090 --> 00:13:08,270 to assure you these are intended to be representative of what can be done. Our goal 140 00:13:08,270 --> 00:13:14,630 is to have something that's wood-sided. If it's at a house, if it's a shingle house 141 00:13:14,630 --> 00:13:19,250 and a shingle and horizontal siding, you don't need to use our board and bat one, but you've 142 00:13:19,790 --> 00:13:25,250 used the mass in the form that matches that cottage style and then apply the colors and 143 00:13:25,250 --> 00:13:32,390 materials that would be in the primary residence. Same with the Mediterranean, that's representative. 144 00:13:32,390 --> 00:13:34,030 You don't have a tile band. 145 00:13:34,130 --> 00:13:35,710 You have another band on there. 146 00:13:35,870 --> 00:13:39,730 Your windows are, you know, I don't know. 147 00:13:40,130 --> 00:13:44,690 Maybe they're a brown versus a black iron window. 148 00:13:45,450 --> 00:13:46,270 That all works. 149 00:13:46,730 --> 00:13:48,830 These are intended to be flexible in that manner. 150 00:13:49,230 --> 00:13:53,970 But from a baseline, we have a contemporary form, 151 00:13:54,670 --> 00:13:57,270 a form that'll go well with the meta-training 152 00:13:57,270 --> 00:13:58,230 can be finished that way, 153 00:13:58,230 --> 00:14:03,810 a form that goes well with a cottage coastal cottage look. We'll take you 154 00:14:03,810 --> 00:14:07,830 through these last couple here. Again this is built-in flexibility a little bit 155 00:14:07,830 --> 00:14:12,250 bigger not a lot bigger we had you know small lots small opportunities this one 156 00:14:12,250 --> 00:14:20,330 has can be done as a one-bedroom or as a studio and again you start seeing these 157 00:14:20,330 --> 00:14:24,110 how they manifest themselves architecturally in the coastal cottage 158 00:14:26,590 --> 00:14:33,490 in Mediterranean and again the contemporary and finally got a little bit 159 00:14:33,490 --> 00:14:39,810 bigger one not huge under 700 square feet designed to be a one bedroom or a two 160 00:14:39,810 --> 00:14:45,130 bedroom really flexible space a little bit bigger kitchen a little more 161 00:14:45,130 --> 00:14:49,350 articulation a little more interesting in a backyard but also takes up a little 162 00:14:49,350 --> 00:14:53,890 more depth so it might not be a be applicable to too many lots but it but 163 00:14:53,890 --> 00:14:54,910 But you'll notice this one again. 164 00:14:55,230 --> 00:14:58,930 This is 42 feet long, fit in a 50-foot lock with the state-limited... 165 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,540 Four foot side yard setbacks. 166 00:15:02,180 --> 00:15:05,500 Those are some of the parameters we try to design to when we do this. 167 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,580 And then, again, this is how it starts to play itself out. 168 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,260 If the primary house doesn't have stone base columns, 169 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,580 I wouldn't expect someone to build it here. 170 00:15:16,780 --> 00:15:18,440 We try to build that flexibility in there. 171 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,400 Our plans are not going to show every single option 172 00:15:21,900 --> 00:15:23,440 that these can be conceived as. 173 00:15:23,620 --> 00:15:25,720 We'll indicate that these are optional things 174 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,540 and then they can build them out as needed. 175 00:15:29,300 --> 00:15:34,580 Some of that flexibility also comes from how your building department wants to deal with 176 00:15:34,580 --> 00:15:34,800 them. 177 00:15:35,500 --> 00:15:42,520 I will tell you that from my perspective, I don't care what order your appliances are 178 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:42,940 in your kitchen. 179 00:15:43,220 --> 00:15:46,020 I don't really care that that's the kitchen wall, to be honest with you. 180 00:15:46,140 --> 00:15:49,600 That's not a big thing for my architectural integrity. 181 00:15:51,060 --> 00:15:57,240 And many jurisdictions, as long as you meet the code, you know, where the GFIs 182 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,540 are what the spacing is, some of that, you know, that basic stuff, minimal amount of 183 00:16:00,540 --> 00:16:06,000 countertop, all these code minimums, they're perfectly fine with it. Other jurisdictions 184 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,400 want to be very strict, so nope, what you see is what you get. That's up for you guys 185 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:15,260 to deal with internally. For me, you're not stepping on my toes when people move those 186 00:16:15,260 --> 00:16:15,700 things around. 187 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:23,140 Anyway, I think that really kind of covers the package we have here. I really came 188 00:16:23,140 --> 00:16:28,420 down to introduce you to this and answer your questions along the way. 189 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,680 Can I jump in to clarify some of that real quick? 190 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:37,880 Thanks. 191 00:16:38,140 --> 00:16:42,720 Yeah, thanks Randy for all of that and walking us through and then especially around the options. 192 00:16:42,900 --> 00:16:47,300 I think especially with external materials that will be really easy from talking to 193 00:16:47,300 --> 00:16:52,260 Damon our building official about you know what he's going to look for if it's what 194 00:16:52,260 --> 00:16:56,060 type of shingled siding versus a hardy plank siding it's not really going to be an 195 00:16:56,060 --> 00:16:57,920 issue and same on planning's end. 196 00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:00,800 As far as where appliances go and things like that, 197 00:17:00,900 --> 00:17:03,860 it may end up triggering more of a review, which then sort of 198 00:17:03,860 --> 00:17:06,180 puts in a different process, where it's not 199 00:17:06,180 --> 00:17:07,040 going to be as streamlined. 200 00:17:07,420 --> 00:17:08,820 But it is totally possible. 201 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:10,460 So any changes can be made. 202 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,400 They can use this as a template and make all sorts of 203 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:14,560 changes if they want to. 204 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,000 But then it is going to have to go through our review 205 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,280 process, because we have to make sure that it meets 206 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:20,580 code. 207 00:17:21,020 --> 00:17:23,400 The purpose of this would be to say, well, this already 208 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,780 does meet code does not need that review so does that kind of make sense there's 209 00:17:27,780 --> 00:17:33,360 sort of two ways you can do it you can make the very simple changes of like 210 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:37,100 exterior stuff but then once you start altering it it's possible but then we 211 00:17:37,100 --> 00:17:40,180 will have to review it to ensure that it does meet code since the changes 212 00:17:40,180 --> 00:17:44,100 were made. For our perspective you know our our relationship with the city and 213 00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:48,120 the project ends when we get these things approved and so all those types 214 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:52,120 of variability I like to build in up front as much as possible so if 215 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:53,900 There's input on what can you do. 216 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,860 And maybe you have suggestions of what you'd like to see 217 00:17:56,860 --> 00:17:58,700 that then we then run past the building official 218 00:17:58,700 --> 00:18:00,080 is how do we approach this? 219 00:18:00,180 --> 00:18:01,300 This is something you can manage. 220 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:03,780 And we build those into the plan. 221 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,760 So there isn't another loop for anybody 222 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:07,780 going through the process. 223 00:18:08,580 --> 00:18:11,880 There are whatever it be, 10 different options 224 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,560 that they can work with and create some flexibility under. 225 00:18:15,620 --> 00:18:16,520 That's our goal, anyway. 226 00:18:20,460 --> 00:18:21,080 Any questions? 227 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:22,900 I have many. 228 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:32,320 Excellent presentation, thank you. When you said we can do, you know, whatever you want 229 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:39,600 to do you can do, specifically let's just use electrical as an example. So as this goes 230 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:45,900 forward I'm assuming that your firm is going to do the engineering, do the structural engineering 231 00:18:45,900 --> 00:18:53,060 on these prototypes, correct, whereupon you would also be doing an electrical base, 232 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:59,240 you know, electrical plan that passes through code, exactly. So if somebody 233 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:06,080 wanted to add something, you know, some more lights or some fans or more outlets 234 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:11,620 or something like that, how, how do you see, and this question may be directed 235 00:19:11,620 --> 00:19:14,880 for Coronado Planning Department, 236 00:19:16,060 --> 00:19:18,940 how would someone move forward 237 00:19:19,450 --> 00:19:22,380 if they wanted to add some of the electrical? 238 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:25,860 Yeah, a lot of it will depend. 239 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,340 So as they prepare those, we're going to work, 240 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,020 obviously we're gonna have them approved 241 00:19:31,020 --> 00:19:34,100 through ESGIL and then also through 242 00:19:34,100 --> 00:19:35,700 the building department here. 243 00:19:36,100 --> 00:19:37,840 And so I think we're gonna learn those limits 244 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,040 a little bit more as we go through that process, 245 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:47,280 like it doesn't outlet trigger more review does anything I mean at some point it does require at 246 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,180 least a little bit more review because we have to determine whether it needs review or not you know 247 00:19:51,180 --> 00:19:57,500 what I mean so it does add one layer how far does that go I think it really does just depend on 248 00:19:57,500 --> 00:20:01,280 how big of a change it is so we're going to sort of learn those limits and Randy probably 249 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:06,880 has experience working with other cities and knows those a bit but for us as we get those 250 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,480 construction drawings, we'll know more about what's going to trigger that. I know 251 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,760 that's kind of a bogus answer, but... No, that's a good answer. Well, to your 252 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:22,360 question, Dana, then something like an EV charger or something would throw that 253 00:20:23,260 --> 00:20:30,400 off. I'm sorry. Like an EV charger, like for a Tesla or a charger, so it needs 254 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:35,280 a particular outlet and everything to do that with that. Well, there are no 255 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,900 garages for you know for you could still know but it doesn't have to have a 256 00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:46,620 garage yeah that's a great that's a great example how would you manage that 257 00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:50,900 well something like probably it's laid out in infrastructure it's not a 258 00:20:50,900 --> 00:20:56,820 requirement you're not required to supply as you would on a new home you're 259 00:20:56,820 --> 00:21:03,760 required to provide those you know PV for for a car so there I mean that 260 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:13,040 would be, when you said be flexible, I build houses. There are just so many factors that 261 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:21,380 could play in. I'm just curious how this falls into, or is this meeting, is this unimportant 262 00:21:21,380 --> 00:21:30,440 for this meeting to okay these design, these prototypes too? Am I going further than I 263 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,020 need to be going by asking these questions? 264 00:21:32,020 --> 00:21:38,930 staff here but I will speak for where I'm coming from. We are on our way to putting the permit sets 265 00:21:38,930 --> 00:21:46,770 together and at this point I'm looking for feedback from the city for these types of things. We want 266 00:21:46,770 --> 00:21:52,910 to see this and maybe not everything can be flexible. That's obvious and we'll go through a 267 00:21:52,910 --> 00:21:57,630 process with your building official or your building department to try to find their boundaries 268 00:21:57,630 --> 00:22:01,150 of comfort on some of these things and that's really what drives most of that flexibility. 269 00:22:01,150 --> 00:22:07,670 When you start talking about outlets, you know, like I've said, I've also been building for 270 00:22:07,670 --> 00:22:13,850 30 years, do my own stuff, and I've never had anyone raise a finger when I added an outlet 271 00:22:13,850 --> 00:22:14,730 in a wall somewhere. 272 00:22:15,150 --> 00:22:20,210 Well, you don't have the corn out of building inspectors coming to your job, just letting 273 00:22:20,210 --> 00:22:20,590 you know. 274 00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:23,330 That's another factor. 275 00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:28,570 That's a layer that's going to have to follow this whole process, and the man in 276 00:22:28,570 --> 00:22:32,850 charges right here? Flexibility. Their operation is what's going to decide how 277 00:22:32,850 --> 00:22:35,870 that works. Yeah and as Randy's saying you know we're gonna work with them 278 00:22:35,870 --> 00:22:39,770 through this process and that's kind of the that is the next step is to see you 279 00:22:39,770 --> 00:22:43,230 are asking the right questions and that is what's coming next is we're going to 280 00:22:43,230 --> 00:22:48,270 hammer out those those limits and because we want to make it efficient to 281 00:22:48,270 --> 00:22:51,910 we want the process to be where you're not selecting from a menu of a 282 00:22:51,910 --> 00:22:55,710 million things it's sort of meant to be the point is to make it streamlined 283 00:22:55,710 --> 00:23:02,470 So to have that menu be very clear and concise and the process actually be quicker, I guess, is the point. 284 00:23:03,030 --> 00:23:13,190 I think the designs aren't great. I mean, they fit our community perfectly based on, you know, the research and the study that you've done. 285 00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:20,930 So I really appreciate that and the fact that someone doesn't have to use these. 286 00:23:20,930 --> 00:23:28,390 This only facilitates doing something a little quicker and our community is such 287 00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:38,670 that most building the individuals can afford to make their choices how they you 288 00:23:38,670 --> 00:23:44,850 know want to put in an ADU or granny flat or whatever so based on what I'm 289 00:23:44,850 --> 00:23:52,490 seeing it. I like it. Yeah that's a great point Sue. I thought as somebody that's 290 00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:57,730 actually lived in ADU for 10 years I really thought the designs were really 291 00:23:57,730 --> 00:24:01,770 very clever in terms of everything that you've been able to fit in a tight 292 00:24:01,770 --> 00:24:06,590 spot because some some ADUs are designed a little bit better than others so I 293 00:24:06,590 --> 00:24:13,570 thought the designs themselves are really nice. I agree. Another question the 294 00:24:13,570 --> 00:24:16,910 you mentioned volume ceilings. 295 00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:23,430 I've also noticed that the minimum building height 296 00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:32,030 for an ADU or a structure in the back 40% of our lots is 14 feet 4 inches I 297 00:24:32,030 --> 00:24:36,810 believe and some of these are quite a bit lower than that. You've got a 9 foot 298 00:24:36,810 --> 00:24:40,250 plate. If somebody wanted, so here's a great question, 299 00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:44,240 the engineering I know 300 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:50,500 how much it costs to change engineering. Once you have an approved set of plans, you have 301 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:55,340 to have your shear walls have to be right. I mean everything has to be such. And for 302 00:24:55,340 --> 00:25:02,480 these to go back to Intermark for another round is going to defeat the whole purpose 303 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:12,900 of the affordability that these plans are providing for an honor. So would that mean 304 00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:20,080 And if somebody wanted a 10-foot plate so that they could get up to the, let's say they 305 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:27,400 had 14 feet, 2 inches or something, and plan, I think plan 1 and 2, well, let's see, plan 306 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,640 3 is 14, 2, so that's pretty much it. 307 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:40,660 But plan 1 and 2, they have a 9-foot plate, but are there going to be plans where it's 308 00:25:40,660 --> 00:25:43,280 The vaulted ceiling is, I mean, an affordable structure 309 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,460 would typically be a truss roof. 310 00:25:46,620 --> 00:25:49,940 Is that gonna be part of the plan going forward? 311 00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:54,400 The structure would typically be a truss roof, yes. 312 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,360 In our conversations previously, 313 00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:01,520 the desire to have an option for a volume ceiling 314 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,240 was in there, so that is, we're building to that. 315 00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:07,260 I think we're doing, I haven't read the contract 316 00:26:07,260 --> 00:26:09,040 a little bit, I believe we're doing cut and stack 317 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:14,900 and trust options so you have both going on there it may just be cut in stack the 318 00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:18,720 idea of being able to change plate height is suggesting that that is an option that 319 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,160 would not be a realistic option that I mean like you said they're engineered at 320 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:28,720 that point and yes thank you I agree that's that I just wanted to ask that 321 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,040 question any 322 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:42,070 other questions from commissioners the sorry 323 00:26:45,140 --> 00:26:45,860 just give me a 324 00:26:45,860 --> 00:26:46,900 moment oh 325 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:55,780 here here was one this is this would be a simple change the if 326 00:26:57,930 --> 00:26:58,070 the 327 00:26:58,070 --> 00:27:02,910 hot water heater you know now that we're not putting on-demand gas hot water 328 00:27:02,910 --> 00:27:11,250 heaters on the side of a house. Now we're back to a closet for an electric hot water 329 00:27:11,250 --> 00:27:19,730 heater, large tank. To capture some closet space, let's say in plan 3, one of the bedrooms 330 00:27:19,730 --> 00:27:24,710 could have a larger closet if that water heater was an appendage. 331 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,120 Well, the electric 332 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:35,620 tankless are really not very efficient. It's gas is the way to go with the tankless. And 333 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:44,260 gas is no longer, gas tankless are no longer permitted in California. That I believe I could 334 00:27:44,820 --> 00:27:50,080 be wrong. It's very recent. So just trying, California is trying to eliminate all gas 335 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:50,400 appliances. 336 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:58,100 We've been doing this for five or six years now and we used to do on demand gas water 337 00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:02,480 heaters in places that you know wanted that and we can't we can't get them to 338 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,320 work anymore in title 24 it's they're gone so they have to be condensing 339 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,880 electric which means they need to be in an enclosed 340 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,540 environmentally you know a conditioned space they can't be just like in a little 341 00:28:18,980 --> 00:28:22,120 they could be in a lean tube but we got insulated we got to seal it we've 342 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:25,260 got to do all that type of stuff it's not just like the old days where 343 00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:27,020 you'd have a little shed from Hope Depot 344 00:28:27,020 --> 00:28:28,140 and you stuck your water heater in. 345 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,160 And that doesn't work anymore either. 346 00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:29,580 Right. 347 00:28:31,260 --> 00:28:34,920 And what happens is it impacts your setbacks. 348 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,580 So now you've got to set back from that. 349 00:28:37,820 --> 00:28:39,320 So instead of a four foot, now you've 350 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,280 got four plus a water heater room of three feet. 351 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:43,880 So right. 352 00:28:44,540 --> 00:28:45,620 No, it could not go. 353 00:28:45,860 --> 00:28:48,400 And if there's a four foot setback, 354 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,900 it certainly could not go there. 355 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,020 It's not an architectural projection. 356 00:28:54,420 --> 00:28:57,260 That's only 12 inches by eight feet. 357 00:28:57,260 --> 00:28:58,920 Correct, yeah. It would just be part of the structure. 358 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:07,940 But, you know, maybe, I mean, if it could, I mean, the other thing too, this is a question I have for you guys. 359 00:29:09,340 --> 00:29:13,340 So there are, you know, FAR requirements, there's lot coverage. 360 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:21,960 All of these structures still have to meet the same zoning that we have currently in our Title 86, right? 361 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,260 and that's correct and that's what we'll be reviewing in the next steps when they 362 00:29:26,260 --> 00:29:29,820 go through building plan review and through ed skill they'll also go through 363 00:29:29,820 --> 00:29:34,060 planning also and then when they go on to the to a site we're going to review 364 00:29:34,060 --> 00:29:37,820 them for that as well so we will review the site plan you know where they 365 00:29:37,820 --> 00:29:41,780 gonna get their parking what's their lot coverage etc and there are 366 00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:46,260 exemptions from because of state codes there are where they are exempt from 367 00:29:46,260 --> 00:29:51,300 FAR requirement and I think structural coverage so those two won't matter as 368 00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:56,800 much but as far as setbacks and parking and everything distance from the main 369 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,980 house we have to look for all those and height you know if it's 370 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:06,200 You know, not that we have much grade change in the city, but we have to make sure it all 371 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,560 works. Does that answer your question? Yes, thank you. 372 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,660 Yeah, I was just, when I had a conversation 373 00:30:14,660 --> 00:30:20,380 with Jesse yesterday and I was just talking about specificity, you know, it's like these, 374 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:28,960 there's, and particularly building in Coronado, it's, your point is well taken, Edry, that 375 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,020 if somebody really wants to make a change, they're just going to go ahead and spend 376 00:30:33,020 --> 00:30:34,020 and the money to make the change. 377 00:30:34,860 --> 00:30:37,340 And this is great for people who say, 378 00:30:37,420 --> 00:30:38,980 okay, this is gonna be my budget, 379 00:30:39,180 --> 00:30:39,940 this is what I'm gonna build, 380 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,660 this is what I'm allowed to build, 381 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,040 otherwise I gotta go back to Intermark, Eskil, 382 00:30:45,260 --> 00:30:47,600 I don't know what it's called now, 383 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,700 but that's very clear, so. 384 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,260 Approve these, essentially, to a certain extent, 385 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,460 like you talked about, the coverage, 386 00:31:02,620 --> 00:31:03,660 the setback, some of those things. 387 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,520 So in places that an individual 388 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,360 might not be able to do something 389 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,600 because of your development standards or a neighborhood that's going to come out and 390 00:31:13,740 --> 00:31:18,460 raise cane about it or whatever the issue may be, the state's going to force this down 391 00:31:18,460 --> 00:31:19,100 people's throats. 392 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,000 No, you have to, you don't get to have a say on this. 393 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,620 This is, matter of fact, there are jurisdictions that don't even go before planning commission 394 00:31:26,620 --> 00:31:27,680 because it doesn't really matter. 395 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,520 They don't really have a say. 396 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,020 Anyway, the state said we have to do this. 397 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:31,880 Thankfully, you guys don't do that. 398 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:38,740 and the whole purpose of those types of programs is to bring forward designs that are incentivized 399 00:31:39,580 --> 00:31:45,800 through time and money that are designed to fit your community, hopefully, so that you 400 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,420 don't get people just saying, yeah, I bought something off of Amazon and I'm training 401 00:31:48,420 --> 00:31:50,300 it into my backyard and you can't do a thing about it. 402 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:50,960 And that happens. 403 00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:53,880 All 404 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:00,380 right. 405 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,220 Well, thank you very much. 406 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,780 That was a terrific presentation. 407 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:03,600 Appreciate it. 408 00:32:09,220 --> 00:32:09,600 We agree. 409 00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:31,500 any more comments commissioners any more discussion okay moving forward can we 410 00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:37,700 get a motion to to approve or not move 411 00:32:42,340 --> 00:32:45,000 to recommend City Council approve the 412 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,900 three accessory dwelling unit floor plans and designs as presented by staff 413 00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:55,700 Seconded. Let's vote. 414 00:32:59,830 --> 00:33:01,930 Motion carries. All present voting aye. 415 00:33:08,740 --> 00:33:09,820 Appears we're at the 416 00:33:09,820 --> 00:33:15,300 end of our meeting. It is 3.30. Thank you. 417 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,040 Thank you. Thanks Dana. Thank you.