1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,320 By the way, sir, 2 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:03,439 » Jack Wismack. 3 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,680 » Jack, what? 4 00:00:03,439 --> 00:00:07,680 » Was 5 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:11,280 you from around here at all or you? 6 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:12,559 » I I uh grew up in Jaffrey. Okay. I live 7 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,120 in Walpole now. 8 00:00:12,559 --> 00:00:15,360 » Yeah. Walpole. Nice little town. I like 9 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:15,759 it. 10 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:16,400 » Yep. 11 00:00:15,759 --> 00:00:17,920 » Yeah. 12 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,119 » Been over that way many times. So, you 13 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,840 got a little experience in this? I'm 14 00:00:19,119 --> 00:00:23,600 going to guess. 15 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:25,279 » Um just 30 or 40 years ago. 16 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,320 » Well, how'd you guys find him? Was he 17 00:00:25,279 --> 00:00:28,560 looking for work? 18 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,119 » Yeah. No, we went through municipal 19 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,880 resources. 20 00:00:29,119 --> 00:00:33,040 » Okay. Yeah. And extension this way. 21 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,079 » Yeah. Yeah. And we're happy Jack 22 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,719 answered the call. 23 00:00:34,079 --> 00:00:38,320 » Yeah. Awesome. 24 00:00:34,719 --> 00:00:39,680 » I ran county government for 17 years. 17 25 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:43,120 and a half years. 26 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:47,360 » And uh I've been the interim town uh 27 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:49,520 » Administrator in um Enfield, Kanan 28 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,960 twice, uh Hinsdale. 29 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,600 » So something you do when you have a good 30 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,840 resume. But 31 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,960 » Meredith and I was a city manager in 32 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,760 Lebanon. 33 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,480 » So good deal. 34 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,120 » This is what I do. 35 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,239 » Sounds like you guys did all right. 36 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,120 He's helping us out. 37 00:01:00,239 --> 00:01:03,359 » Yeah. Awesome. That's good. 38 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:06,000 » Well, this afternoon, we're happy Jay 39 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:06,720 Hopkins has agreed to come and do the 40 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,560 invocation. 41 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,840 » Absolutely. I'll do that. Lord, we do 42 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,159 thank you for these gentlemen that are 43 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,760 willing to step forward and serve in the 44 00:01:12,159 --> 00:01:15,040 capacity that they are, Lord. And 45 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,360 heavenly father, I pray you would give 46 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,880 them wisdom, Lord. Help them to have 47 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,159 discernment, Lord, and that they would 48 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,880 make decisions that would honor and 49 00:01:20,159 --> 00:01:24,720 glorify and please you especially, Lord. 50 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,720 Lord, we just u thank you again that 51 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,960 they've stepped up to do this and ask 52 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,720 that you would give them um just 53 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:32,159 direction and guidance whether it's 54 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,680 doing the town's business or in their 55 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:34,960 own personal lives, Lord. 56 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,159 » Lord, we thank you for this time. We 57 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:38,000 thank you for your goodness and grace, 58 00:01:36,159 --> 00:01:38,880 Lord. And we pray these things in Jesus 59 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,119 name. Amen. 60 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:39,680 » Amen. 61 00:01:39,119 --> 00:01:40,479 » Amen. 62 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,200 » Amen. 63 00:01:40,479 --> 00:01:41,680 » Thank you. 64 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:42,479 » Yes. 65 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,680 » Yeah. 66 00:01:42,479 --> 00:01:44,400 » Gentlemen, see you. 67 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,360 » You have a good evening. 68 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,280 » Take care. 69 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,159 » You got a dough agenda tonight. We 70 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:52,320 » No, this is just what I said. We're just 71 00:01:50,159 --> 00:01:53,840 trying discussion. If you want to hang 72 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,280 out and give us some points, 73 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,159 » I'm going to a Bible study. I got to be 74 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,360 there for six. So, 75 00:01:56,159 --> 00:01:57,840 » There you go. 76 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:58,560 » All right. 77 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,520 » All right, guys. Take care. 78 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,680 » Have a good evening. 79 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,680 » See you. 80 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,079 » All right. 81 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,080 get paid enough. 82 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:25,080 » That's a different 83 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,080 clock. 84 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:32,159 interview. 85 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:34,640 I'll probably have them wait in 86 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:36,640 so that if we're live streaming, I don't 87 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:38,000 want them in the in the crowd here 88 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,560 because 89 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,560 They're currently employed. 90 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:47,200 » Keep it confidential until 91 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,959 » Okay. So, we 92 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,879 » Yeah. So, then I'll probably just text 93 00:03:48,959 --> 00:03:51,920 them and 94 00:03:50,879 --> 00:03:53,760 » Yeah. 95 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,599 » And 96 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:59,120 then I'll let them into the building, 97 00:03:55,599 --> 00:03:59,120 bring them up after everybody's gone. 98 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,480 Tonight's meeting is just a quick 99 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:08,879 meeting to review some general budget 100 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,400 guidelines. So, 101 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:14,439 probably not going to be very exciting, 102 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,439 but you might find it useful. 103 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,919 » That's Matt. He was going to watch 104 00:04:18,799 --> 00:04:23,360 tonight's meeting. 105 00:04:19,919 --> 00:04:26,680 » Oh, he's 106 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,680 trying to learn. 107 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:33,759 I usually I always ask them uh so what 108 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:35,280 have you what have you done to prepare 109 00:04:33,759 --> 00:04:36,639 for this and you know what what do you 110 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:38,720 know about the town have you done any 111 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:40,080 research what have you read you know 112 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,520 it's always 113 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,800 » Helpful if they at least know how to 114 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,479 spell the name and have read like an 115 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:48,320 annual report or something have some 116 00:04:44,479 --> 00:04:52,919 sense of what the hell they're doing 117 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,919 » This might be live stream right now 118 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,960 » Good afternoon 119 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,960 » Gentlemen 120 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,199 How you doing? 121 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,440 » All right, 122 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:05,919 it's 5:00. I'd like to open this meeting 123 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:08,639 with the pledge. 124 00:05:05,919 --> 00:05:11,039 I pledge algiance to the flag of the 125 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:14,560 United States of America and to the 126 00:05:11,039 --> 00:05:17,759 republic for which it stands, one nation 127 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:21,440 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 128 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:25,440 justice for all. 129 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:28,919 Okay, I hear selectman Elvarez's voice 130 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,919 down the hall. 131 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:31,840 » Good evening. 132 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:35,400 » Good evening. 133 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:35,400 Hello, Mr. Doyle. 134 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:42,479 » Ms. Rodier. 135 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:45,039 » Hey there. I know that I'm seeming 136 00:05:42,479 --> 00:05:48,479 awfully contamperous. Um, but the thing 137 00:05:45,039 --> 00:05:50,960 is is that Is it Am I You want me to 138 00:05:48,479 --> 00:05:54,960 wait? Oh, wait. Oh, well, I was going to 139 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:57,680 start the meeting off with just a brief 140 00:05:54,960 --> 00:06:00,400 uh summary of what our 141 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:05,520 agenda was this evening. Last week, we 142 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:09,199 cancelled the meeting uh due to 143 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:11,520 medical stuff. Um and just didn't have 144 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:13,039 much on the agenda. We still don't. I 145 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,199 believe this is the calm before the 146 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:17,440 storm and I thought we should take 147 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:19,360 advantage of a little calm time to have 148 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,840 some preliminary 149 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:24,000 discussion of the town budget and the 150 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:27,840 warrant and that was all that was on the 151 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:32,080 agenda for this evening. Uh we have 152 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:34,080 resident has dropped in and 153 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,560 you can take the floor. 154 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,160 Um, I just I you know, as I don't know 155 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:41,520 if everybody on the board knows, but I 156 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:43,360 did drop off some more 91A 157 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:46,800 uh after we went through the preliminary 158 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:49,840 report of uh the original request. Well, 159 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,280 first I want to give you guys an order 160 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:52,720 um that just came in today finally for 161 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:56,080 the court. This isn't for the quiet 162 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,520 title. Um I have to put glasses on 163 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,919 because I'm very blind. 164 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:02,319 » I'm sorry. What is this in regards to? 165 00:06:59,919 --> 00:07:05,360 Um this is in regards to I mean you know 166 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:07,759 what I originally came in here for um in 167 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:10,160 October of last year was Mr. Cormier 168 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:12,720 working on my property. 169 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,319 » Um and they started uh working without a 170 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:17,360 permit 171 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:20,240 uh violation. 172 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:23,280 Um and pretty much nothing was entered 173 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:27,360 into that, you know, at all. And 174 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:29,919 eventually Debbie Deon and uh Sean 175 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,599 Telbot and the rest of the board uh you 176 00:07:29,919 --> 00:07:35,680 know 177 00:07:31,599 --> 00:07:37,840 said to me that driveway uh permits were 178 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:40,479 had that came onto state state highway 179 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:42,960 had nothing to do with the board. uh 180 00:07:40,479 --> 00:07:46,080 which is really kind of in part untrue 181 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:47,120 because that's one step the you know the 182 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,400 driveway 183 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,000 » Going through the state 184 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:53,440 » Right and then there's other parts that 185 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:55,199 the town does have in their own on top 186 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,720 of that which are buffers and all that 187 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:58,479 other stuff which was the exact stuff 188 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,120 that I was complaining about it being 189 00:07:58,479 --> 00:08:04,479 removed um and nothing was happened 190 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:07,120 Debbie Deon um represented 191 00:08:04,479 --> 00:08:09,759 that the board would be handling those 192 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:12,639 issues when Mr. Cormier put in an 193 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:16,800 application for a variance 194 00:08:12,639 --> 00:08:21,120 um which he withdrew and then put in 195 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:22,720 um and uh the board denied him that 196 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,440 variance 197 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:28,319 and um 198 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:30,560 and so you know as you guys know court 199 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:32,880 is super long. I can't you know like I 200 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,839 filed that case back in August of last 201 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:39,039 year and it's a multi-part 202 00:08:35,839 --> 00:08:41,519 case. there's the terri, you know, the 203 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:43,200 temporary restraining order, the quiet 204 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:45,279 title, and there's some other things 205 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:49,200 that he's done now that have been put 206 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:53,120 into there. Um, and so, 207 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:57,040 uh, that was never addressed. I so I 208 00:08:53,120 --> 00:09:00,320 part of that was I sent pictures to uh 209 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:03,279 Pete Kellaher and I said, "Hey, here are 210 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:05,839 the images of the leaking sewage coming 211 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:11,440 out of the leech field that he dug 212 00:09:05,839 --> 00:09:12,959 into." Um, and I have that text thread. 213 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,600 » When did this take place? 214 00:09:12,959 --> 00:09:18,880 » That took place. So, we had the board 215 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:21,600 hearing, I believe was 10:17 or 10:18 of 216 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:24,240 2025. 217 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:26,480 And so, sometime in between when you 218 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,560 said that the board decided we will go 219 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:31,440 out there and take a look at this trash 220 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:34,240 and hauling business by NC Hauling, he 221 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:36,560 changed it to Village Dumpsters, Pete 222 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:40,640 came out and said, "I can't decide 223 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:43,040 boundary line issues." Um, which is 224 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,640 fine. Uh, because no one asked him to do 225 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,040 that. I asked him actually just to look 226 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:50,720 at the leaking septic that was coming 227 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:52,480 from there. And then later this year, 228 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,880 ironically, 229 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:58,560 Pete, uh, Mr. Cormier, cuz Mr. Cormier 230 00:09:54,880 --> 00:10:00,399 is not just targeted his, he's spread 231 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:02,880 out to other neighbors. They're just not 232 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:05,600 mouse. They're much quieter. Uh, 233 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:10,080 literally a mousier, you know, just very 234 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:12,640 pe I'm not that. Um, and so, 235 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,640 uh, he called to make a complaint that 236 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,079 their septic was leaking onto his 237 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,000 property. And don't you know what, Pete 238 00:10:16,079 --> 00:10:21,200 called the dees right away and made a 239 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:23,440 complaint about it right away. Um, and 240 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,680 so Pete Keller's record is obviously 241 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:28,320 very important to my case. I that 242 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:30,240 violation has been open for a year. When 243 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,760 I said, "Hey, here's where we're at with 244 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,440 court. I want to know what's going on 245 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,760 with this violation. It wasn't addressed 246 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,920 at the zoning hearing like the town 247 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,320 administrator." No offense, Jack. This 248 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:43,040 is Bri, you coming in um said that it 249 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,399 would be addressed at this hearing. Um 250 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,360 that wasn't in front of the zoning 251 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:48,399 board. And so I called um them up. They 252 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,079 said, "Well, you have to make a whole 253 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:51,279 new complaint." And I said, "Okay, I'll 254 00:10:50,079 --> 00:10:52,640 make a whole new complaint." But to me, 255 00:10:51,279 --> 00:10:56,399 that means that there's two actions. 256 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:58,480 Now, this order is from the judge. You 257 00:10:56,399 --> 00:11:01,040 know, my case is very complex. I did 258 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,600 offer to give the town of Newipswitch 259 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:05,920 access to my dropbox. 260 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:08,560 Um, and I also didn't know that every 261 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:11,680 board had their own like repository. So, 262 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:13,360 um, and the town separ you know, so I 263 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:15,760 didn't realize that there is kind of 264 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:19,680 like a slowing with the chain of 265 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:22,160 records. Um, and so, um, but this order 266 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:24,160 I have um, 267 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,000 emailed it. I'll email it to Evelyn as 268 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,240 well as you, Jack. And but this is just 269 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,800 for the TTRO part of the case. Cormier 270 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:33,519 has zero ownership interest in Old 271 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:36,640 County Road. 272 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:40,720 Um, and so, 273 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:42,480 uh, I I am from Newipswitch. I, you 274 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:45,760 know, a lot of people will say things 275 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:47,440 like bias and yada yada yada. Part of 276 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,600 that is what makes our community 277 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,680 wonderful. In my opinion, it's this 278 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:55,440 community was started by hardworking 279 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:57,360 families and trades that still work here 280 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:01,440 now. farmers, 281 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:05,920 I will obviously trust their opinion 282 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:07,600 before a strangers because that is part 283 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,279 of what what makes us amazing. Do you 284 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,279 know what I'm saying? But at the end of 285 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:14,639 the day, the rules should apply equally 286 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:18,000 to all of us. And um there shouldn't 287 00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:21,200 have even been waiting to decide who 288 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:23,760 owns the easement. Um all of the same 289 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:26,560 evidence was given to me as given to the 290 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:29,040 court. It's clear 291 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:30,880 that he had, you know, both parties, no 292 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,760 matter what, had interest in there. I 293 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:35,760 mean, I think that everyone, the DOT, 294 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:39,200 you know, cuz when McCormier went to the 295 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:41,360 DOT, he was denied the DOT gave me the 296 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,120 driveway permit in the updated name 297 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,360 because I hadn't gotten a switch since I 298 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:47,279 purchased it. I brought that in last 299 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,839 year. 300 00:12:47,279 --> 00:12:51,680 And so, he was denied that part of the 301 00:12:49,839 --> 00:12:52,959 process. I don't know why the town 302 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:54,160 didn't take that into consideration. 303 00:12:52,959 --> 00:12:56,480 What was the process? 304 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,959 » The DOT was the part where a person is 305 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,440 going to construct a new driveway and 306 00:12:58,959 --> 00:13:05,200 they have to go to the DOT. 307 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:08,560 He he did that. He went to the DOT. 308 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:11,279 » He was denied. I was given a permit in 309 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:14,079 my correct name cuz, you know, I I 310 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:15,760 honestly didn't know that the DOT permit 311 00:13:14,079 --> 00:13:17,279 needed to be updated when I purchased 312 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:20,959 the house from my stepfather. It was my 313 00:13:17,279 --> 00:13:24,639 own uh failing there. But at the end of 314 00:13:20,959 --> 00:13:27,279 the day, he had the choice to to do both 315 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:29,279 and he or either or and he did not. He 316 00:13:27,279 --> 00:13:33,279 put it in my name because that's where 317 00:13:29,279 --> 00:13:36,560 the slope rights remain. The the one of 318 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:38,480 the easements that I have in my deed is 319 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:39,839 with the town of Newipswitch. The other 320 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:43,600 one is with the state of New Hampshire 321 00:13:39,839 --> 00:13:47,279 because of the frontage on 123 M and 124 322 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:50,320 remains with my property regardless 323 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:52,720 that that those violations still sit. He 324 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:55,040 still works on that. He town told him, 325 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:57,120 "Nope, no place for you to put a start." 326 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,440 And listen, I don't care what you do 327 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,040 with your property, especially if you're 328 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,839 working from home. I support that. 329 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:06,160 That's we're built on that. But I do 330 00:14:03,839 --> 00:14:08,160 care what you do on my property. And he 331 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,160 removed all those buffers. I mean, the 332 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,839 zoning board said right in there, even 333 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:15,279 the work that he caused made his 334 00:14:11,839 --> 00:14:17,839 property um 335 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:20,160 uncompliant, non-conforming, 336 00:14:17,839 --> 00:14:23,199 and that he didn't, you know, he removed 337 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:25,519 the buffer buffers, didn't meet the size 338 00:14:23,199 --> 00:14:27,519 requirement on three sides, and that 339 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:29,040 landing still exists partially that with 340 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:32,560 the even with the survey that I 341 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:34,160 submitted to you guys of his survey um 342 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:37,680 is 343 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:41,680 partially on my land and old county road 344 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:44,000 is 100 is uh you know that part of the 345 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,639 ownership part 346 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,880 you know that will be answered in the 347 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:50,880 quiet title case I didn't ask them to 348 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:54,160 determine in the TTRO case that was a 349 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:56,079 preservation of evidence case and it did 350 00:14:54,160 --> 00:15:00,760 perfectly exactly what I needed to he 351 00:14:56,079 --> 00:15:00,760 admitted everything that I needed him to 352 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,800 and so the the other thing is 353 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,720 you know Dwayne 354 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:11,120 you know, and I waited a long time 355 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,320 before I didn't even I I brought up 356 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,399 brought this up. And I'm going to tell 357 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,079 you why. Mrs. White was my sixth grade 358 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:19,839 teacher. 359 00:15:16,079 --> 00:15:20,959 His her sister, fabulous chef. I don't 360 00:15:19,839 --> 00:15:23,040 know if you guys have ever been out to 361 00:15:20,959 --> 00:15:26,079 one of Ben and Chelsea's events. 362 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:30,160 Fabulous. Amazing. 363 00:15:26,079 --> 00:15:33,839 His son. No, this is important. Well, I 364 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:35,839 just want to caution you on 365 00:15:33,839 --> 00:15:36,800 throwing around names when people aren't 366 00:15:35,839 --> 00:15:38,639 present. 367 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:41,680 » No, I'm asking the board of selectmen. 368 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:44,800 The legal process is to request a 369 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:47,680 hearing through the board of select. 370 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,440 Okay? Because here's the thing is at the 371 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,920 this is what I'm trying to say about 372 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:54,560 supporting because you know for a fact 373 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:56,240 like does SRO have that list on there? 374 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,800 I'm on there. Okay. What's that? You 375 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,199 know how SARS have a family tree list? 376 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,440 » Oh, 377 00:15:59,199 --> 00:16:02,720 » A genetic list. I'm on there. I can 378 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,079 bring it in here. I'm just trying to say 379 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,519 I'm not trying to say bias. 380 00:16:04,079 --> 00:16:06,160 » I don't know what that has to do with 381 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:09,360 anything. 382 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:11,680 » But what I'm trying to say about this is 383 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:14,800 why I've waited 384 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:16,320 to not include I've not said no. It's 385 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,079 very important that I say this, Jason, 386 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:21,120 and I understand why you're cautioning 387 00:16:18,079 --> 00:16:21,519 me because it is a small community. 388 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,040 Sure. 389 00:16:21,519 --> 00:16:27,120 » But the thing is, no, I'm suing his son. 390 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,600 He knew I was suing his son. 391 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:33,360 » This isn't necessary for what you've 392 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:36,480 come here today is to ask for a hearing 393 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:38,959 for his removal from the zoning board. 394 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:42,480 The process is done through the select 395 00:16:38,959 --> 00:16:46,000 board. They put it up. A special hearing 396 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:48,720 occurs. Everyone gets to vote. Two 397 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:51,839 things happened. He didn't excuse 398 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,759 himself. There was an alternate there. 399 00:16:51,839 --> 00:16:55,440 He had he could have excused himself 400 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:56,639 like he did silver scones 401 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,839 » For 402 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:02,480 » Voting on the cormier property because 403 00:16:59,839 --> 00:17:03,839 the bottom line is I am suing his son 404 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,480 because his son was the timber 405 00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:10,240 professional that cut my trees down. He 406 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:12,480 and he hired him. Mr. Cormier did. I 407 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:15,039 tried to do arbitration with through Mr. 408 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:17,120 White through every relative that we 409 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:18,880 possibly could because I care. I don't 410 00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:21,360 want that on him. A mistake could have 411 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,959 been made on Mr. Town. I don't know what 412 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:25,039 happened with the timber professional, 413 00:17:22,959 --> 00:17:27,120 but I didn't want his reputation tainted 414 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:29,039 or anyone else's. I waited a long time 415 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:31,360 before I went in there. But Mr. White 416 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:32,960 knew it. Dwayne White knew it because I 417 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:34,000 had tried to communicate with him for 418 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,679 there's a lot of reasons. Church, 419 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,480 family, there's a lot of things. My 420 00:17:35,679 --> 00:17:40,559 respect for the family in general, 421 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,559 he could have excused himself. Not only 422 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:44,240 did he not excuse himself at the end of 423 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:46,160 the thing, which is recorded. Not only 424 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,160 is it recorded, it's on YouTube. It's 425 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:50,320 preserved. I have the transcript and the 426 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:53,039 recording. At the end of the hearing, he 427 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:55,679 says 80% of what the abutters had to say 428 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:58,720 was irrelevant and went in one ear and 429 00:17:55,679 --> 00:18:00,320 out the other. And we didn't talk, what 430 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,160 did we talk about that was personal? We 431 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,600 talked about trash and hauling business 432 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,640 right there on the corner. Remove the 433 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,919 buffers, property values, the sagen 434 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,160 river being right there. 435 00:18:07,919 --> 00:18:11,200 » Yeah. The only personal thing that I 436 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,000 brought in it 437 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,520 » The thing is is I mean I'm not sure what 438 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,080 the procedures are 439 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:20,400 » That is 440 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:21,919 » For for removing an appointed 441 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,919 » Is a special committee member 442 00:18:21,919 --> 00:18:27,360 » RSA 443 00:18:23,919 --> 00:18:29,760 I think it's uh 51830 I will send the 444 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:31,520 RSA but the process is is through the 445 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,960 select board I'm sure Jack you can help 446 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,200 them out with this because you're the 447 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:38,559 administrator but the process is through 448 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:41,200 the select board there's I'm asking two 449 00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:43,360 things. One, um, because I have future 450 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:45,440 things that I have to this driveway open 451 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:47,840 work permit. I don't want to. 452 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,760 » So, this is being addressed currently by 453 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:52,160 the code enforcement officer. 454 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,760 » Pete, Pete, I was in here earlier this 455 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,679 week, there wasn't one thing on that 456 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,679 file. Not only was there not one thing 457 00:18:55,679 --> 00:19:00,960 on the file, the original text messages 458 00:18:57,679 --> 00:19:03,440 that I sent to Pete with the here. He 459 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,679 says, "I will be running late. I just 460 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,440 did an inspection, but I'll be out 461 00:19:05,679 --> 00:19:09,360 there." I said, "Great. I want to have 462 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,960 you bring some bring some water samples 463 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:14,720 because I want you to take a picture of 464 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:17,760 this. He when Mr. Cormier cut that drop 465 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,679 off to the easement he cut into Adid 466 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,840 Leechfield. That's what the problem that 467 00:19:19,679 --> 00:19:23,679 I brought to the town. There was 468 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,600 standing sludge. I have those images. I 469 00:19:23,679 --> 00:19:27,039 brought those images here. I have that 470 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:31,919 whole that you can see that meeting on 471 00:19:27,039 --> 00:19:34,000 1017. Maybe it was 10:18. And so then I 472 00:19:31,919 --> 00:19:35,600 said, "Pete, break out your phone." He 473 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,120 broke out his phone. Guess what? Those 474 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,919 messages aren't there, but they're in my 475 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:41,679 telephone. I I didn't say diddly about 476 00:19:39,919 --> 00:19:43,120 Pete doing the boundary line issue 477 00:19:41,679 --> 00:19:45,679 because first of all, it's for the 478 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:47,120 superior court to decide. Second of all, 479 00:19:45,679 --> 00:19:50,320 Pete's own the fire department. The 480 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:53,840 neighbors my neighbor fire department. 481 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:56,000 So, I mean, you know, and I've had a ton 482 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:58,400 of other things and Jack, this is again 483 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,919 before you, but I came to that 114 484 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,760 meeting 10. You know, I came here, 485 00:19:59,919 --> 00:20:04,880 Jason, those two board meetings to talk 486 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:08,799 about the neighbor on the second one. 487 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:11,679 SBAS was also here to ask to do some 488 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:14,160 sort of thing, a closed hearing thing. 489 00:20:11,679 --> 00:20:15,520 Emily, you know, like a 1990s movie. 490 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,520 » All right. Well, you know what? We're 491 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,600 just going to leave that. We're going to 492 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,799 leave it be. You should I think you 493 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,880 should I want 494 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:25,200 » You've already You've already brought 495 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,280 this up. Your point in coming tonight. 496 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,840 » What? No. The reason why I'm coming 497 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,360 tonight, Jason, is because I I have 498 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,600 brought it up. I actually brought it up 499 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:35,840 in November. I sent an official thing. 500 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,799 What was Did I I What What is the town's 501 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,240 response to me? 502 00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:40,640 » You know what the town's response? 503 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:44,720 » I got no response on Emily on that when 504 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:46,720 she tried to she tried to, 505 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,880 you know, and gave me the none of that. 506 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,919 I got zero response to that. Jason and 507 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:54,799 the bank records. Um, that's part of the 508 00:20:51,919 --> 00:20:58,080 original request. Debbie Deon's answer 509 00:20:54,799 --> 00:21:01,840 to me is that the bank doesn't give PDF 510 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:04,320 records of the statements. The DRRA 511 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:07,120 records that you guys provided says 512 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:09,440 there has been uncontrolled spending on 513 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:11,520 114 when I came in for the hearing. It 514 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,919 says the select board there's the the 515 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,520 credit card receipts don't match up. 516 00:21:13,919 --> 00:21:17,760 There's a lot of things that the DRRA 517 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:21,679 reports. I gave a summary when I dropped 518 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:23,919 off the 91 reports. Um, and I have a 519 00:21:21,679 --> 00:21:26,000 much deeper summary. The other requests 520 00:21:23,919 --> 00:21:28,480 that I have are to patch those things. 521 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:31,200 The the municipal bank records, that's 522 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,720 nothing new. We're with that's everyone 523 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,880 here has the right to know those 524 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:38,000 records. I did not demand that they come 525 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,600 in PDF. That would be a lot easier. But 526 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,799 I'm happy to come here with my own 527 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:44,640 scanner and scan as I go. I'm happy to 528 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:46,480 do that. I'm not trying to put the 529 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:51,200 burden on you guys when you have a very 530 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:53,039 slim staff who doing amazing. Evelyn, 531 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,200 Tammy, who's in there? I forgot the 532 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:57,440 wonderful people there and the records 533 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,919 that they have corrected since that 534 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:02,320 original 90. They fixed over 3,000 535 00:21:59,919 --> 00:22:04,960 property records since that first 91A 536 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:07,039 batch record that I 537 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,400 I dropped. They're doing incredible work 538 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:09,679 over there. There's less than 100 539 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,520 properties left that they have to 540 00:22:09,679 --> 00:22:13,360 adjust. 541 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:17,200 I'm not asking anybody to make up 542 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:19,120 records on before because we're all here 543 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:22,000 like we're but we have to start moving 544 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:23,840 forward and I want accountability for 545 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,600 everything that happens to me and if I 546 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,400 have to talk about it publicly to get it 547 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,919 I'm gonna 548 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:34,559 » Well, so your point in coming today is 549 00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:35,280 to request a hearing to remove a ZBA 550 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:36,000 member. 551 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:40,400 » Correct. 552 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:43,840 » And what else? I um Jack had sent me an 553 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:45,840 email earlier um you know stating that 554 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:49,280 the 555 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:52,080 the 13 uh 91A requests that I dropped 556 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:55,120 off are extensive over the 5-year period 557 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:58,640 and I just wanted to uh defend in that 558 00:22:55,120 --> 00:23:02,480 is that the the the the questionable 559 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:04,559 uh you know reports from the DRA and 560 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,080 those go back to 2018 and there's 561 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:09,360 actually 562 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:11,039 19 years litigation in court. Um, and so 563 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:14,480 I think I'm being conservative with the 564 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:16,720 five years and I'm not rushing, but as 565 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:20,159 far as the bank records go and the 566 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:23,360 property tax assessment records, 567 00:23:20,159 --> 00:23:26,320 those should be fairly easy. And, you 568 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:29,280 know, there's things on a um on a town's 569 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:32,559 person's level that they're entitled to 570 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:35,360 do within a legal time clock every year. 571 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:38,240 And that a lot of that is January 1. and 572 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:40,799 some we we need those records before 573 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:43,600 that. Um you know probably a couple 574 00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:45,440 weeks before that and the Avatar records 575 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:48,159 the editing is important because I need 576 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:51,200 to compare it to the previous records. 577 00:23:48,159 --> 00:23:52,720 Um and last year when I asked for Pete 578 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,320 Keller's records because I thought it 579 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,679 was weird when I'm asking him to come 580 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,919 over and look at the pictures of the 581 00:23:55,679 --> 00:24:00,320 septic and then he comes to the board 582 00:23:57,919 --> 00:24:02,000 and says I'm not doing deciding a 583 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,240 boundary line issue when it was never 584 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,400 even discussed. I asked for his records. 585 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:09,200 Then the town said he's barely on the 586 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,960 job. Now we have a whole new position. 587 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,840 He's been paid salary for an entire 588 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:18,799 year. Vehicle probably got a phone, I'm 589 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:20,320 imagining, and zero records in an open 590 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:24,240 violation for over a year. 591 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:26,559 » So he emailed us this afternoon and said 592 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:31,360 that he is 593 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:33,120 working with Evelyn alongside Evelyn. 594 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:35,520 and he expressed that to me when he came 595 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:39,360 there the other day. But my position is 596 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:41,520 this, Jason. Um Pete's position, and 597 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:45,200 I've looked back, it's literally to 598 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:48,880 create a go between if we have open 599 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:51,840 violations. And we do have sometimes 600 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:54,640 communication issues between different 601 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:57,760 boards and entities within the in the 602 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:59,279 town. And that is to be expected. Do you 603 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,559 know what I'm saying? Until there's a 604 00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:04,720 system in place for that. But in a whole 605 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:06,559 year, yesterday he came in when I told 606 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,320 him I was going to get a 91A based on 607 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:10,080 his record yesterday, you know, or 608 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,799 whatever day he emailed you. But for the 609 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:15,760 entire year before that, despite there 610 00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:18,720 being an open violation, not once did he 611 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:21,360 attend any meeting, come request 612 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:25,039 anything off of any board, say, "Hey, 613 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:26,559 why is this open?" 614 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:29,360 No, not once. And then when I said, 615 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:30,720 "Okay, well, now I have this from the 616 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:33,120 court." and he said, "Well, why don't 617 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,279 you open a new one?" Okay, I'm gonna, 618 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:38,080 but now I want both of them addressed 619 00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:40,880 since he asked me to open it. I would 620 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,919 like both ones addressed and I want his 621 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,640 file. I don't think I'm being 622 00:25:41,919 --> 00:25:46,000 unreasonable. You through the process of 623 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,360 doing this because obviously, you know, 624 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,640 I'm pretty public because I think 625 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:53,039 transparency is important for our 626 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,960 community. Um, other people have 627 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:57,520 messaged me. There's other concerning 628 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,279 open violations that are happening now 629 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,760 like Appleton Manning being run as a bed 630 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:03,760 and breakfast and other things. Some 631 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,080 things are severely could have 632 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,080 environmental issues. 633 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,919 I'm not putting all that blame on him. 634 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:13,679 What I'm saying is that position was 635 00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:15,039 created to help bridge that gap and stop 636 00:26:13,679 --> 00:26:17,200 these things from happening and 637 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:21,360 essentially probably I would imagine 638 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:24,159 prevent the town from more litigation. 639 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:26,080 I have expressly I even signed a paper 640 00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:29,039 once saying I don't want to sue this 641 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,960 town. I just want to work with you guys. 642 00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:33,679 But it's increasingly more difficult to 643 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,520 do that when no one when when every 644 00:26:33,679 --> 00:26:37,200 department because you know if if my 645 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,039 neighbor is ambulance services and I 646 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,200 made a representation that an ambulance 647 00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:44,000 person tried to jump me and then the 648 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:46,000 board ambulance board came onto my page. 649 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,880 I mean Wendy all of them come on to my 650 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:52,559 page. Who would I call 911 for? Who's 651 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:54,720 coming? Is it Jeff and my neighbors? 652 00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:56,880 And so I have that area that's not 653 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,400 working for me. And then all these other 654 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,000 boards and that that's just sitting 655 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,640 open. What would you do as a property 656 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:05,840 owner? Just ignore it. And now I've gone 657 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:09,919 I've spent $54,000 658 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:11,120 to date. And now is that enough as a 659 00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:12,640 property owner to have you have 660 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,919 attention? 661 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,400 I mean, I don't know what it's going to 662 00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:18,080 take. And it it really makes me feel 663 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,840 like 664 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,320 this is what and I think if you were in 665 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,080 anyone's position that if why are they 666 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,600 not following their own ordinances? 667 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,880 Well, it must be something bigger that 668 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,880 they're hiding or they actually do have 669 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,720 select preference. 670 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,919 And I know the preference. I get the 671 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:38,080 preference. I'm from here. I I support a 672 00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:40,400 lot of that preference. That preference 673 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,320 keeps Newip Switch safe. It's kept 674 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:46,080 Newipswitch safe. It's kept, it's given 675 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:48,720 new switch the integrity that it has. 676 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:51,039 But when it comes to the ordinances, 677 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,799 we write them as a people. Like this 678 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:55,279 community writes them. We come in in the 679 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:57,120 warrant articles and then we vote on yay 680 00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:58,799 and nay on them. And I mean, should more 681 00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:00,880 people be voting? Sure. But but the 682 00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:02,559 bottom line is those ordinances apply 683 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,799 equally to everybody. I shouldn't had to 684 00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:06,720 work as hard to at least have you say, 685 00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:09,200 you know what, you're stopped working. I 686 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,960 mean I between the town and he had a 687 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,799 restrict stop border on him on September 688 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,840 30th. I brought that in in the board in 689 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:17,919 October. I mean he all town also put the 690 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,000 thing in there. Someone works without 691 00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:21,520 violation. He's still doing it now. He's 692 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,760 still working on the driveway now. I can 693 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,240 show you videos just the other day of 694 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,799 him working on that and with the 695 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,159 dumpster over there. So I mean this is 696 00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:32,799 after the zoning board said no. He 697 00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:35,279 appealed. The appeal said no. 698 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:36,960 So I don't know what else you guys want 699 00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:40,240 from me. I'm gonna be sticky about the 700 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:44,080 zone the the the 701 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:46,159 91A. I'm not sticky about the time. 702 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,399 » Jack's looking it over now. 703 00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:49,919 » I know it's extensive, but it's all 704 00:28:48,399 --> 00:28:51,520 information that we all have the right 705 00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:54,000 to know. The things that are important 706 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,159 to me is the things that are relating to 707 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,720 Cormier because if you read in there and 708 00:28:56,159 --> 00:29:00,000 the previous orders, they specifically 709 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,760 say, "Why aren't you suing the 710 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,799 municipality? 711 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,640 The municipality is at fault here." You 712 00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:08,159 know, I learned words like ratification, 713 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:12,000 liability, and all that other things 714 00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:13,520 through some of the orders that are in 715 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,080 there. 716 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,919 And so, and and the thing is Whoops. 717 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,080 Switch does, you know, has a long 718 00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:22,159 history of court. And even you guys 719 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,960 represented, I don't know if old County 720 00:29:22,159 --> 00:29:26,480 Road is discontinued, but the legal 721 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,799 records that you guys provided to me, 722 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:32,240 you had already been in court over the 723 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:35,200 old county road. So you it auto makes 724 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:37,360 automatically makes me feel adversarial. 725 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:41,520 So I don't want to be that. I'm happy 726 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:43,360 when I'm done starting the you know the 727 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,760 good neighbor community center from 728 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:48,240 whatever happens from all of this. Um I 729 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,320 want to help fix this. I love no switch. 730 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,159 I'm never leaving. 731 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,600 But if you don't want to have me help 732 00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:54,880 fix it, that's fine. But I'm going to 733 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,480 get them either way. I don't want to get 734 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,240 it too cool. I don't think I think it's 735 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,080 stupid that it's taken this long to get 736 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,320 the kind of support that I should have 737 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,520 with working without a permit. Even when 738 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,520 I'm talking with Pete in there, he says, 739 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,600 "Well, I got to talk to the zoning board 740 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,440 and see what they say about driveway 741 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,640 permits because it all has to be equal." 742 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,559 It doesn't say anything about driveway 743 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,159 permits. It says he was working without 744 00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:17,440 a permit because he removed all the 745 00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:20,240 buffer and that those slope rights are 746 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,080 on me. Look at this rain. Kirk said 747 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,840 himself, "If I have a wash out, guess 748 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,399 whose responsibility is?" And you know, 749 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:29,360 the wash out happened right next to it 750 00:30:26,399 --> 00:30:32,159 and he's still doing it. 751 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:35,200 So, the court ain't going to stop him. 752 00:30:32,159 --> 00:30:37,440 » I I literally just secured $151,000 753 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,360 attachment on his property. Hopefully 754 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,200 that will. 755 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,600 » So, can I just ask a couple questions? 756 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,880 » Yep. 757 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,880 » You you you who's this person from from 758 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,080 the ZBA that you want 759 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,360 » Dwayne White. 760 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:54,960 » Okay. And what's the connection of 761 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:57,360 Dwayne White? I'm suing his um so um 762 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,520 what happens is um on 763 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,760 » This is a quiet title. 764 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,360 » No, that's a tier. 765 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,679 » You you lost it. They denied it. 766 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,440 » Yeah. 767 00:31:03,679 --> 00:31:05,679 » So what what is the relevance of this to 768 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,039 any? 769 00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:10,000 » I mean if you read the whole thing it 770 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:12,559 says you lost it if you if you lost it. 771 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,240 But basically I lost it because the 772 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:16,399 defense 773 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,159 didn't listen. I lost it because they 774 00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:19,760 came out there. They said the scope is 775 00:31:18,159 --> 00:31:21,919 different. He can tell that he did the 776 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:25,120 stone wall which he he admitted to on 777 00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:27,600 the stand. He removed the trees. He 778 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:32,159 doesn't have any ownership. It appears 779 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:34,080 that he is over burdened and his scope 780 00:31:32,159 --> 00:31:36,159 his his rights which he only has right 781 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:39,120 to pass and repass. So I the only thing 782 00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:40,880 that I stopped I lost was the 783 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,559 preservation of the land which he didn't 784 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,480 listen anyway. And that's part of the 785 00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:48,240 ratification liability honestly because 786 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:50,480 if the town had just enforced the do not 787 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,039 work permit that they had put out there 788 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,840 » The court's pretty clear that it isn't 789 00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:56,480 clear that who owns old county road that 790 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,880 portion. 791 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,519 » Yep. But uh there's other or there's 792 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,360 four other Yeah. The four other orders 793 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:05,679 that came in there and and and actually 794 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,880 if you it's pretty clear in there that 795 00:32:05,679 --> 00:32:11,120 this is a TTRO case. I never did ask her 796 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,880 in this scope of the case. 797 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,200 » Temporary restraining order. 798 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,360 » Do not go in there. Cormier, she 799 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,679 enjoined him from doing any work from 800 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,039 September 30th. I produced even in 801 00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:22,320 October I came in here and was 802 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:24,080 complaining that he was working on it 803 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,519 then. So he was already in violation of 804 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,519 that order. 805 00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:29,120 » The police didn't address it to this. 806 00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:32,480 » But hold on. No, I want to bring this up 807 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:35,679 because the thing is is that 808 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:38,159 » She says I never asked the TTRO. this. I 809 00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:40,399 have a quiet title case in superior 810 00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:43,039 court with him and I have a torsious 811 00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:45,679 interference of commerce and trade name 812 00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:47,120 infringement because he bought my name 813 00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:50,000 during he started all kinds of stuff 814 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:53,679 with my name that is specifically to the 815 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,840 TTRO part and she never quiet title was 816 00:32:53,679 --> 00:32:58,240 not to be decided in that case ownership 817 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,320 was not to be decided in that case I 818 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,679 filed that case because I mean first I 819 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,519 thought he might actually listen to the 820 00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:06,159 judge's order on September 30th but she 821 00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:08,640 didn't but Then everything that he said 822 00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:11,760 on the stand and everything the judge 823 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:14,000 entered and answered on I can now use 824 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,640 without any question. It's not has to be 825 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,399 decided on in the court in my quiet 826 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,600 title case. He got right on the stand 827 00:33:18,399 --> 00:33:23,120 and said I I already provided the 828 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,440 transcript, but I can do it again for 829 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:29,279 your repository or however that works. 830 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:32,240 Uh he said right on there, I um blocked 831 00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:33,760 it. I cut the trees down once I had 832 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,159 enough space. I put all my trucks in 833 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,760 there. I she came down there, she told 834 00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:39,679 me no and that's when this started and 835 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,399 he admitted everything on there. 836 00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:43,919 » So, going back to Dwayne White, 837 00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:44,799 » I was at that meeting. 838 00:33:43,919 --> 00:33:50,320 » I know. 839 00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:53,200 » Um, I saw nothing about cutting trees in 840 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:55,519 that meeting. And I would have seen no 841 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,840 reason for Dwayne to recuse himself. The 842 00:33:55,519 --> 00:34:00,320 meeting was simply about storing 843 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:03,120 dumpsters on a property. That was all it 844 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:06,080 was about. I don't I think I don't see 845 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:08,000 why there would be a reason for Dwayne 846 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,639 to recuse himself. Now, 847 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,919 » If you want to 848 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:13,520 » And if and if you don't like a zoning 849 00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:16,159 board 850 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:19,440 members opinion, 851 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:21,280 » Um that's they everybody has it. That's 852 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,839 why they're put there is to offer their 853 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,560 opinions. 854 00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:28,240 » The the process of removal 855 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:32,000 » Is a select board process. The select 856 00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:33,760 board looks up the RSA which I will 857 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,919 I will I will send it to you. I don't 858 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,520 have this direct in front of me. I 859 00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:39,520 assume that so you guys would know the 860 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:43,919 select board stuff. But the part of that 861 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:45,760 is is that you put you start to hear it. 862 00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:47,119 The whole town can show up and you know 863 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,440 realistically there's a good chance that 864 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:51,440 that could happen and say nope we don't 865 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,639 agree with that. 866 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,720 But every person 867 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,639 » Familiar with this. every right person 868 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:59,040 had the that's the only way you can get 869 00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:00,160 a voted person off of the board. There 870 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,640 was an alternate 871 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,680 » He's not elected. He's appointed. 872 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,400 » Exactly. 873 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:10,560 » So we cannot we can remove an appointed 874 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:12,400 person right now with a vote of us three 875 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,160 as far as I understand it. 876 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,599 » But there's also a hearing process and 877 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,240 that's what I'd like because truthfully, 878 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:21,359 no offense. I mean it deser it's 879 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:22,960 deserves a public vote and it's my 880 00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:25,520 » Wouldn't you agree that there was no 881 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,720 mention of tree cutting at 882 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,400 » It's not about tree cutting 883 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:30,079 » But you said it was a conflict of 884 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,400 interest for him because his son worked 885 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:34,720 on there and I don't see that conflict 886 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,880 » The conflict of interest listen I'm 887 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:39,760 suing his son 888 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:43,680 » I came in front of a I was part of a 889 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:45,280 process a a thing 890 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,440 a 891 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,960 motion a uh you know something was 892 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,800 brought in front of the zoning board to 893 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,880 be voted on that involved me directly. 894 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,359 I'm the one that filled the original 895 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,400 complaint. 896 00:35:55,359 --> 00:36:00,880 » It involved you as in a butter, 897 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,000 » Jason. Then why? Okay, then then I'm 898 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,280 actually going to have to move forward 899 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,119 on the court because then why didn't you 900 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,880 guys act on the original driveway 901 00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:08,320 violation? I'll pull up the Debbie Deon 902 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,440 email. I don't know if you have access 903 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:14,160 to the admin emails, Jack, but it says 904 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:17,040 right in there, we will address Mr. 905 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:20,079 Cormier's violations at his hearing for 906 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,599 a variance. That's what happened. So I 907 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:22,720 thought though that that's when that was 908 00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:25,760 going to happen. But you know what 909 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:27,440 happened is again no none of that was 910 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,000 open. In fact, you have to open a second 911 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,520 one. And the reason why it matters is 912 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:35,760 because 913 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:37,119 Mr. Cormier worked with his son. Okay? 914 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,720 And if you don't think that that 915 00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:40,880 matters, that's fine. But I think that 916 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:42,880 everyone else that's why under I think 917 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,800 it's 53. I can't believe you're going to 918 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,800 make me look it up to demand nothing. 919 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,119 » I was asking if Jack was aware of this 920 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,040 process. 921 00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:51,520 » Well, you can certainly if there was 922 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,280 cause, you could remove. 923 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,000 » Do you don't think that me there's 924 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,599 costs? Um, and I I could go deeper with 925 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,839 proving the bias here in the community 926 00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,160 and that's what the 91A are requested 927 00:36:59,839 --> 00:37:03,280 for. 928 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,800 » How many How many people are on the ZBA? 929 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,960 » Uh, I don't know, 930 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,280 » But I know that Hutter Construction owns 931 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:14,400 all the land around me. And what was and 932 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:15,520 and when the ZBA declined the variance, 933 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,680 what was the vote? 934 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,200 » They declined it. So what if he even if 935 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,680 he recused himself, they still would 936 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,400 have denied the variance. So I'm not 937 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,480 quite sure. 938 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,280 » It's it's the fact first of all, he said 939 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,280 80% of what the butters had to say was 940 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,480 irrelevant and went in one ear and not 941 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,000 the other. There was they had an 942 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,680 alternate there. If Dwayne would 943 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,119 wouldn't want to be dragged into it, he 944 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,040 shouldn't have he should have recused 945 00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:39,920 himself. Didn't Silver Stones talk about 946 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,599 this? He he had discernment then and he 947 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:45,839 wasn't even his family member wasn't 948 00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:47,440 even being sued. Mr. Cormier hired his 949 00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:49,359 son. He knew. 950 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,200 » Do you recall what the vote was? 951 00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:52,960 » Yeah, they all voted for me. But a 952 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,440 couple times he didn't. A couple of 953 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,200 times Dwayne thought it might be and and 954 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,240 I have this preserved. And listen, if 955 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,240 you don't think that I'm not working 956 00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:02,800 with the ACLU with other people in town, 957 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:04,720 I am. But I'm trying to come in here. 958 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,320 » What's up? If he had recused himself, 959 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:08,880 the outcome would be the same because 960 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:12,079 the votes were overwhelmingly 961 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,960 to reject the variant. So change in the 962 00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:14,880 outcome. 963 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,359 » I I'm not looking for a change in the 964 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,640 outcome. I'm talking the the the under 965 00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:22,160 RF R 513 I think it's 98. I'm going to 966 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,359 have to look, but under that it's 967 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:28,640 specifically the conduct surrounding it. 968 00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:31,760 It's the conduct surrounding it. If if 969 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:33,920 if someone so I just want to say what 970 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,160 what level I I'm not trying to say 971 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,520 anybody's last name makes bias. I'm not 972 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,359 trying to say where you go to church or 973 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,560 who you're related to or who you work 974 00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:41,680 with or where you 975 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,440 » Sounds like it. 976 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,880 » I I know that it sounds like it but you 977 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,520 know here's the thing Jack is I'm from 978 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,599 here. Okay. So I am related to a lot of 979 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,599 people. I have gone to a church with a 980 00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:53,760 lot of people. So what I'm saying is 981 00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:56,000 Jack there was an alternative there. He 982 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,320 could have said, "You know what? My son 983 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:02,720 my son's professional license is on the 984 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:05,119 line with this person and my son is is 985 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:06,560 on the hook for minimal." I mean, 986 00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:07,359 because you know, with timber trespass, 987 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,800 there's 988 00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:10,320 » But wouldn't you wouldn't you have 989 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,000 thought that 990 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,520 » He would he would have 991 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,640 » Recused himself? Of course. 992 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:19,520 » No, that he would have voted against. 993 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:22,079 » It's denying the variance. He 994 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:24,400 » There's two times where he did height. 995 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:26,560 There's there's where they offer their 996 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,880 opinions, but then the final vote came 997 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:32,240 in. It was unanimous, was it not? 998 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:34,320 » It and listen, if I was um trying to 999 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:36,720 have something overturned, I'd go in 1000 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:41,359 front of the housing appeal. My question 1001 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:43,440 is the personal bias that a a member has 1002 00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:46,400 where he should have recused himself. 1003 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:48,960 » But how was the personal bias 1004 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,079 built through the decision? 1005 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,839 » It's not that he shouldn't have 1006 00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:54,320 participated at all. He said, "Why would 1007 00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:56,880 a zoning board member, any zoning board 1008 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,560 member who's there to listen to what the 1009 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,000 abutters have to say and you were there, 1010 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,119 Jason, were we speaking a bunch of 1011 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,240 personal feelings and googlyark?" 1012 00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:05,760 » No, we were talking about 1013 00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:08,240 » What happens if I say what my opinion 1014 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,560 is, then am I going to be removed? 1015 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:12,160 » I mean, if if it is, and you know what, 1016 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,000 that's part of the hearing that I'd like 1017 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,480 to request from Dwayne White. What is 1018 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,280 that 80% that was googlyark? What is 1019 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,480 that 80%? 1020 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,160 » I'm sure that they're going to be 1021 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,680 meeting again. I'm sure that you could 1022 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,119 ask the question. 1023 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,960 » It's really tough getting into those 1024 00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:26,000 hearings, Jason. Just like it's tough 1025 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,280 getting on this one. That's why I just 1026 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,359 came. The bottom line is 1027 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,839 » Why How is it tough? 1028 00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:31,680 » Listen, 1029 00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:32,400 » You just show up. They're public 1030 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,599 hearings, 1031 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,200 » Jason. 1032 00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:37,280 » Here's where I'm at. Those are the 1033 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,680 records that I want. I want the hearing. 1034 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,920 I will send the RSA over there where I'm 1035 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,920 allowed as a citizen of New Hampshire to 1036 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,160 request it and you guys can make it and 1037 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,599 then the town can decide. I'm quite 1038 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,440 confident that you can rally the troops 1039 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:50,960 and maybe get them to vote against it. I 1040 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,359 really don't know, but I'm allowed that 1041 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,839 process. That's the process I want. 1042 00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:56,800 » Who who's the they that's going to vote 1043 00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:58,880 against the what 1044 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,560 » That whoever the they the community if 1045 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,400 the community wants to vote against 1046 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,800 that's that's how these hearings work. 1047 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:09,119 It's a public hearing. But what a public 1048 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:12,560 hearing typically will do is give the 1049 00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:16,000 board who is in charged with making a 1050 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:18,400 decision the ability to get input. 1051 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,920 » So the is a voting it's just like a 1052 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,280 warrant article. Everybody's going to 1053 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,800 vote on it. Everybody 1054 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,599 » People who show up at the meeting are 1055 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,119 going to vote. 1056 00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:26,160 » Yes. That's part of the process. 1057 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:28,079 » It's a much different 1058 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,880 » I'm going to I'm going to actually send 1059 00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:34,720 it to you. It's it's it's 1060 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,520 the only legal path that I have forward 1061 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:37,040 because we 1062 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,200 » For for what though 1063 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,520 » To remove a member of a zoning board 1064 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,359 » Who voted in favor of you 1065 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,800 » And you know it's funny because he vote 1066 00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:46,480 he he same thing happened with Silver 1067 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,800 Son he voted in favor and then he still 1068 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,960 had to recuse himself and the thing is 1069 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,760 when when silver scones went in front of 1070 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,760 the judge right she they said you know 1071 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,599 what there's a lot of bias going on here 1072 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,440 in this community and then the town of 1073 00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:01,760 Newsw said you just don't understand 1074 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,359 small town living. 1075 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,640 And so she really don't know much more 1076 00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:06,319 to say because maybe she didn't, maybe 1077 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,040 she's not from here. But the thing is 1078 00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:10,240 I'm from here. I I there's a lot more 1079 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,079 other things that I could say, but I'm 1080 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,480 not going to say publicly. But I know 1081 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:16,400 that if I put them in front of a judge 1082 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,000 and there was all those dots on there, 1083 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,359 they could make the same decisions and 1084 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,680 they won't make them the same as people 1085 00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:23,040 who are necessarily local. 1086 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,720 » Well, we're going to have to look into 1087 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:28,560 this RSA that you're citing. Why would 1088 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:30,880 why would at the very minimum he not 1089 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,720 have to be included in my vote? There 1090 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,880 was an alternate there. 1091 00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:36,800 » If someone who is the senior project 1092 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,200 manager of Hutter Construction that owns 1093 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,280 all the land around me and I'm suing his 1094 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:44,960 son, why wouldn't he recuse himself? You 1095 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:46,960 don't see any possible way that that any 1096 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,280 way that that could change anyone's 1097 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:52,720 vote. It might might be like, "Oh, but 1098 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,920 he voted my son. He voted the way that 1099 00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:55,920 you wanted him to." 1100 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,400 » No. two times he didn't end, you know, 1101 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:01,119 it gets let's say that he did a 100% of 1102 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:04,079 the time, but at the very end he said 1103 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:04,960 80% of the abutters of what they had to 1104 00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:07,760 say 1105 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,119 » Was irrelevant. And when in one ear and 1106 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,200 out the other and then I probably 1107 00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:12,880 watched that a hundred times with other 1108 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,319 people. I put it online for, you know, 1109 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,839 you have it on the zoning. I shared that 1110 00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:18,319 across every single one of my social 1111 00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:20,480 media platforms and including in Reddit 1112 00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:22,160 to ask other legal people what they 1113 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,440 thought of it and they said, "Nope, 1114 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,960 » He can't say that. Why would he say 1115 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,119 that? He's on the zoning board to hear 1116 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,800 what the abuters have to say. Why would 1117 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:31,599 he at least wait until the camera's done 1118 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,760 rolling? 1119 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:36,960 So, I'm going to send that. I want the 1120 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,400 avatar records, my property records were 1121 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,280 edited. Some of them are questionable, 1122 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,800 the same as the ones across town. Those 1123 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,520 records were fairly quick to get. They 1124 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:48,960 got like a week last time. Uh they're 1125 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:51,359 relevant uh to my case and to the 1126 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,960 taxpayers. I'd like to work as quickly 1127 00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:55,200 as possible. Obviously, with the bank 1128 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,359 records, I want the drive the working 1129 00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:00,000 without a permit addressed. If you're 1130 00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:02,800 saying, hey, he's you have the order 1131 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,200 now. It it it no matter anything else, 1132 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,359 he doesn't have any ownership in there. 1133 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:10,000 There's no ownership. 1134 00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:12,400 » Well, it is all I can tell you is that 1135 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,680 we did receive the email from him. You 1136 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,640 received that 1137 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:19,119 » That he said they are actively working 1138 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:22,000 on it. 1139 00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:23,280 I I I'm willing to, you know, I don't 1140 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,280 want to be cranky about everything, but 1141 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,960 I I you know, just because actively that 1142 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,760 he was actively working on it for a 1143 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,079 year. 1144 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,839 » Well, I'm just telling you what I know. 1145 00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:33,520 » What is a reasonable time frame, do you 1146 00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:36,000 think, to have something come back from 1147 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:39,920 peak to tell me where it's going? 1148 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,200 Because he still works on it now. So, 1149 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,839 what do you think is a reasonable time 1150 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,920 frame? Because it's I mean, you know, 1151 00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:49,040 » We're not in charge of his job. So, I 1152 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:51,359 don't know how to depends on what what 1153 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,640 the document he needs to find. I mean, 1154 00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:54,720 if it's 1155 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,240 » The zoning board and you know, even the 1156 00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:57,280 zoning board said, you were at that 1157 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:59,200 meeting that the property is 1158 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,960 non-conforming. The buffer's gone. It 1159 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:04,560 didn't meet the spatial requirements on 1160 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,119 three sides. That's all the things that 1161 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,520 David Le said and they all talked about. 1162 00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:09,680 So, 1163 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:13,760 » The nonconforming, as I understood it, 1164 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,319 was that it's already a small law. Well, 1165 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,440 you could 1166 00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:17,280 » Too. 1167 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,880 » He what about the buffers? 1168 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,680 » Dave talked extensively about the 1169 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:24,400 buffers. 1170 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:27,440 » Yeah. And he removed those buffers and 1171 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:29,359 that was what the very little If you go 1172 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,079 back and watch the YouTube v video on 1173 00:45:29,359 --> 00:45:33,440 1017, that's the literally the only 1174 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:36,800 relief that you said you guys could 1175 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,480 provide me. And he has no ownership in 1176 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,400 old county road. So you said timber 1177 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,240 reports, we don't care about those. We 1178 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,720 can't do anything that he's allowed to 1179 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:48,079 hire a timber professional. Doesn't have 1180 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:50,000 to file a intent to cut. I mean, even 1181 00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:51,440 though now he has no ownership. So now 1182 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,839 what? 1183 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,760 » He has no ownership of Old County Road. 1184 00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:58,319 The cutting was done on my property. 1185 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,920 » To this document, neither one of you can 1186 00:45:58,319 --> 00:46:03,359 prove who owned. 1187 00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:05,440 » No, I asked her to say that's why and 1188 00:46:03,359 --> 00:46:06,480 that's that's I I get that your motion 1189 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,839 was denied. 1190 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:12,079 » Yeah. No, I my motion was denied because 1191 00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:13,599 I didn't bring any. There's four other 1192 00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:15,280 motions that came in there. This is the 1193 00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:16,560 only one that's pertinent to the town. 1194 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,920 The other motions say that 1195 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,560 » Well, this doesn't have anything to do 1196 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,720 with the town. 1197 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,720 » It does. It says that he has no 1198 00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:24,079 ownership now. And 1199 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,480 » And neither do you. 1200 00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:28,880 » Well, it says my ownership fee 1201 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:31,920 holdership was not determined. Okay. And 1202 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:34,640 the other the the thing but in the other 1203 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,400 motion Jack it says which I don't have 1204 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,960 to share with the town but in the other 1205 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,560 motion it says specifically that she 1206 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,400 couldn't get in here because the 1207 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:45,119 multiple police reports the camera 1208 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:48,000 footage video that she's showing and all 1209 00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:50,240 the other evidence that he he admits to 1210 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,400 the harassment and in she it says right 1211 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:54,720 in there she could not get the 1212 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,480 professionals in there because of this. 1213 00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:58,000 in order to get the injunctive relief 1214 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,920 she needs, she has to file for an 1215 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,560 injunctive relief and quiet title, which 1216 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:04,960 I've done. So, it doesn't say that I've 1217 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:07,920 not never once did I ask her to decide 1218 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:10,960 ownership. The only relief that I asked 1219 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:14,160 for, which is laid out in there, Jack, 1220 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:16,000 is him to stop using it for 60 days so I 1221 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,200 could have professionals go in there 1222 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,560 without thinking they're going to get 1223 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,240 shot because that's actually what Ed 1224 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,839 Rogers said. I'm going to get shot. And 1225 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:23,920 then guess what they did? They messed 1226 00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:25,599 with Ed Rogers. They messed with Chris 1227 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,680 Lomax. They messed with every single 1228 00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:31,520 contractor that I went down there and he 1229 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:34,800 kept working that the judge documented. 1230 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:37,920 And so the thing is I did the TTRO case 1231 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:41,200 didn't ask her to decide my ownership. 1232 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,400 » So you have filed an RTK. I think it was 1233 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,119 a few days ago. 1234 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,079 » Yep. 1235 00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:48,480 » Um and you 1236 00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:49,920 have requested a public hearing of which 1237 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,040 we're going to have to look into the 1238 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,560 legality of it 1239 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,599 » At the very minimum. I don't want him 1240 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:58,640 voting on my stuff. I I don't think it's 1241 00:47:55,599 --> 00:48:01,280 too much to ask. I'm suing his kid. 1242 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:03,680 » That is to go. Um I spoke to the town 1243 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,319 today. I want that in my file. Okay. 1244 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,920 I've also brought in big property maps. 1245 00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:10,160 Everything that I give to the town goes 1246 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:13,280 into my property file. 1247 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:15,040 » Um and I have brought property maps 1248 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,720 before to you guys. 1249 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,720 » Um and you can see the recordings of 1250 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:20,400 that. And I brought you the big maps. Um 1251 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:21,599 and those are not in my file. And I 1252 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,520 understand that there's like little 1253 00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:25,440 repositories for everything which I 1254 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,880 support because people every board needs 1255 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:32,319 their own access to their records. But 1256 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,680 um I sent this also to um Evelyn and I 1257 00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:34,559 you know I don't know if Jack or whoever 1258 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,000 else needs to go to 1259 00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:37,680 » She has a copy of it. 1260 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,839 » Yeah. And and listen I'll send the other 1261 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,440 orders too. I don't I don't Here's the 1262 00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:44,400 thing. I don't no offense I don't trust 1263 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,599 anybody. said, "My case is still open." 1264 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,599 That there's a lot of sensitive 1265 00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:49,440 information in the other parts. And I 1266 00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:51,440 don't think you guys need to say it. But 1267 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,359 she she says, "I can't get over there 1268 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,960 because he he doesn't let me. I have 1269 00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:57,599 videos where he's just standing down 1270 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,359 there like this waiting at my camera. My 1271 00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:01,119 window has been shot out. I've called 1272 00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:04,160 the police because there's flashlights 1273 00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:06,000 out in my woods more than once. The 1274 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,599 police confirmed there's flashlights out 1275 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,640 there." I don't I I'm not bringing that 1276 00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:10,960 in front of you, am I? 1277 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,119 » This this or Well, you just did. No, I'm 1278 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,040 sorry. 1279 00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:18,079 » But this order here is from the court 1280 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:21,520 » And it's regarding your civil dispute 1281 00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:23,839 with your neighbor. What part of this is 1282 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,119 relevant to 1283 00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:28,000 the town? 1284 00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:31,920 » Well, here's the thing. On July 1st, 1285 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:34,240 » The court says no work can be done. He 1286 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,880 they reiterate with him your September 1287 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:39,040 30th says you can't do any work around 1288 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,400 Old County Road. these pictures that 1289 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,800 she's entering. You could be in 1290 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:45,920 contempt, blah blah blah. But I'm going 1291 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:49,520 through that. Absolutely no work can be 1292 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:52,480 done in that area. No cutting, no 1293 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:55,599 esavating, no tree cutting, nothing. 1294 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:58,960 Okay. And then on July 2nd, the 1295 00:49:55,599 --> 00:50:01,359 immediate day following, he came to the 1296 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,680 zoning board to get a um a permission to 1297 00:50:01,359 --> 00:50:05,440 use that same exact space. And so the 1298 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,200 same thing happened. I came to you guys. 1299 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,119 I'm like, "Hey, this trash and hauling 1300 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,119 business is going on over here." He 1301 00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:13,440 changed his name to Village Dumpsters 1302 00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:15,680 and then he tried to get a a DOT permit 1303 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,800 from the state. The DOT permit they said 1304 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:20,160 no. And then you know I 1305 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,079 » This is for the driveway. 1306 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:26,160 » Yes. But you you know that new landing 1307 00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:28,160 that you created there, even on the the 1308 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,920 survey that I gave to you guys, half of 1309 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,480 that's on my property and you know half 1310 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,880 of it is on the old county road which is 1311 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,319 now has ownership been decided? No. 1312 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,280 Jack, we haven't had that part of the 1313 00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:38,640 hearing. 1314 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,640 » The only reason why I was denied the 1315 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,720 TTRO is because, as you can read in 1316 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,960 there, he didn't listen. He just kept 1317 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:47,119 going. She did the viewing. She said he 1318 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:50,800 the stone wall. All those things are 1319 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:52,319 different. And there's multiple issues 1320 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,760 when you when you're in when you're in 1321 00:50:52,319 --> 00:50:58,240 court. TRO is one thing. Then there's 1322 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,520 another hearing that merit that they're 1323 00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:01,520 going to decide on. And then there's 1324 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,920 another merit and there's another merit. 1325 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,599 That was only one merit. 1326 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,079 The reason why that failed is because he 1327 00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:12,720 didn't listen. He just kept going. And I 1328 00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:14,160 provided the metadata to show that 1329 00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:16,640 I'm not asking to sign anything for 1330 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,640 court. What I'm asking for is enforce 1331 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,160 the working without a permit because 1332 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:23,280 then maybe he'll stop 1333 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:26,960 » When So he got a court you got a court 1334 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:28,960 order and they told him to stop. 1335 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,480 » Yep. That's a September 30th order. 1336 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,160 » He continued to work. 1337 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,720 » Correct. And did you go back to the 1338 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,440 court and say hey court he violated the 1339 00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:36,400 order? 1340 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,319 » Of course I did. 1341 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,160 » And what did they say? 1342 00:51:38,319 --> 00:51:41,599 » That is issue is still in front of the 1343 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,079 court. 1344 00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:48,160 » I have many issues in front of the 1345 00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:49,440 court. The TTRO is a tempor is a TTRO 1346 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,720 preservation of evidence. 1347 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,440 » So he hasn't got a permanent from the 1348 00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:55,599 town of his own variance and he's 1349 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,440 violated the court order that you got 1350 00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:59,200 against him. And the police said that 1351 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,720 they don't enforce civil court orders, 1352 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,800 which I don't expect them to do. They're 1353 00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,760 busy enough. 1354 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,359 » Okay. 1355 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,319 » All right. 1356 00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:09,960 » I think we have it. 1357 00:52:06,319 --> 00:52:09,960 » The rest of the stuff, 1358 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,599 » I'm not I know the town isn't going to 1359 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,880 make up records or, you know, doesn't 1360 00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:16,160 have to make up records of the before 1361 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,599 stuff and there's missing records and 1362 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,599 there's whole other boards before you 1363 00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:22,720 guys. But what I am saying is we have 1364 00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:25,599 today like we have today forward. we can 1365 00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:26,960 work together and have a system that 1366 00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:28,240 everybody can work smoothly and it 1367 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,480 doesn't have to be as this complicated 1368 00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:33,200 for every person, you know, and 1369 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,559 whatever, you know, I I maybe even some 1370 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,839 of those things that are on with the 1371 00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:37,599 bank records, maybe those people aren't 1372 00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:39,040 even here anymore. I don't know. But 1373 00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:41,520 what I do know is we have the right to 1374 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,680 see that stuff. I I know it's not going 1375 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,880 to be quick. But what 1376 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,119 » The bank records have to do with 1377 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,160 anything with Cor? 1378 00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:49,760 » Absolutely nothing. 1379 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:53,280 » Okay. But what happened is I came here 1380 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,559 to my wait my turn to talk and while I'm 1381 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,760 sitting here and you can look at this 1382 00:52:54,559 --> 00:53:00,720 hearing on 114 2025 1383 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:03,839 and uh you know the cemetery sex was 1384 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:06,240 there he spoke first and he said that 1385 00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:08,640 you know they have no 1386 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:11,440 record of any cemetery sales from 2016 1387 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,800 moving forward and there's no record 1388 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,480 pretty much no records. He had no 1389 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,000 records. He went into a rat's nest and 1390 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,440 he has no records. I mean, we we've 1391 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,040 since established that the Boy Scouts 1392 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,400 did a bunch of work previous to that and 1393 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,920 I don't know if maybe we can tag them on 1394 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,680 the future stuff, but 1395 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,440 » They definitely had no records of any 1396 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,760 sales. The board kind of talked about 1397 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:26,800 that 1398 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,559 » To do. 1399 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,880 » I'm a taxpayer, Jack. It has everything 1400 00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:33,520 to do with it. So, I sat at town hearing 1401 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:36,559 and then later in that same hearing, 1402 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:38,400 » The board discussed multiple users tied 1403 00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:39,839 to the town's CIN. They didn't know who 1404 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,760 those were and the spending was a 1405 00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:43,680 problem. And then also and then the 1406 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:47,040 records that they gave me that showed 1407 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:48,559 that um and so that's why I I have that 1408 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,680 and the records also showed that there 1409 00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:53,839 was some assessing issues. So those 1410 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:56,720 record those issues don't have to be 1411 00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:58,400 related. Anybody can file a 91A at any 1412 00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:58,720 time about any question they want to 1413 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,160 know. 1414 00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:02,319 » Just trying to see if it weaves together 1415 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,559 somehow. Just trying to keep 1416 00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:06,480 » Well, what happened is I came down here 1417 00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:09,040 and I said, "Well, this seems pretty 1418 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,680 simple. He's not supposed to be doing 1419 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,280 this." I read the rules. Rules said he's 1420 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,960 not supposed to be doing this. And then 1421 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,720 the town said, "Hm." And then I came 1422 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,240 back again with some pictures and videos 1423 00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:20,160 and all these other things and the 1424 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:21,920 things that they needed and they still 1425 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,760 said, "Hm." And I said, "Well, why isn't 1426 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,240 the town following their own ordinances? 1427 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,839 There must be a reason why." 1428 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,040 I I think that every taxpayer would say 1429 00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:31,280 that. Why are they not following their 1430 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,960 own ordinances? Either they're there's 1431 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,400 bias there or maybe they're too busy. 1432 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,559 Either way, I want to know and I want to 1433 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,920 at least hear know what was going on in 1434 00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:39,599 the they're talking about in the 1435 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:43,359 meetings that I'm attending while I'm 1436 00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:46,000 waiting my turn to talk. 1437 00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:48,559 My grandmother was a tax accountant here 1438 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:52,160 and in Greenville for 20 years. I prayed 1439 00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:54,319 to God and Jesus to save my property and 1440 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,720 they sent Jesus to flip some tables and 1441 00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:59,440 with my grandmother to do some records. 1442 00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:01,040 That's why I'm here. 1443 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,119 I don't want to be I'm not against 1444 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,640 anybody, but I don't if you have to make 1445 00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:06,319 me against you, then I mean, it's just 1446 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:10,079 what it is. I'm gonna have to be, but 1447 00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:11,359 I'm I I we all deserve it. It should be 1448 00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:11,920 public. I haven't tried to bring it up 1449 00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:14,079 until, 1450 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:19,040 » Like I said, we're we will look in and 1451 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:20,079 make sure that we follow these RSAs and 1452 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,319 and do it right there. 1453 00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:24,480 » I'm going to send the RSA relevant to 1454 00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:28,240 that. Until then, I'd asked him to not 1455 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:32,960 vote on any of my uh things moving 1456 00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:35,920 forward. Uh because the thing is, if you 1457 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:39,839 don't think that suing his son 1458 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:43,040 is a reason to excuse himself, 1459 00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:45,200 I don't know what to say. I do. Um and 1460 00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:48,720 I'd like a realistic timeline. 1461 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:50,400 » You have a realistic timeline on what? 1462 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:51,839 on on you know because you say that 1463 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,520 Pete's working on it and you can't tell 1464 00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:55,200 him when to do his job. I mean it was a 1465 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,960 whole year before he came into any board 1466 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,799 to ask any question. I think it's 1467 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,319 unrealistic for you guys for me to 1468 00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:00,880 » Expect me to wait another year. I mean I 1469 00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:04,240 feel like 1470 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:05,760 » It hasn't been silent for a year. Lorine 1471 00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:07,440 » Zero communication 1472 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,839 » I know but there has been interdep 1473 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:12,160 departmental and 1474 00:56:09,839 --> 00:56:13,680 » There has been communications. It's a 1475 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,160 matter of okay 1476 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,920 » And 1477 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:19,040 » I don't want to go down the whole thing 1478 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:21,040 but it a lot of this stuff does end up 1479 00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,319 depending on where the property line is 1480 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,680 because how do you know where the buffer 1481 00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:25,200 is if you don't know where the property 1482 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,480 line is if 1483 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,119 » I don't want to get into an argument 1484 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,559 about it. 1485 00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:30,240 » No, but I looked at the ordinance and 1486 00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:33,119 the ordinance doesn't say if something 1487 00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:35,040 is working without a permit if if 1488 00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:37,280 someone is to work on something whether 1489 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,960 it's on my property or his own. Let's 1490 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,880 say it was just Mr. Cormier's property 1491 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:43,839 that he was working on and I'm just 1492 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,599 Karen who lives next door. My neighbor's 1493 00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:47,440 working on his driveway without 1494 00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:49,760 permission. That still deserves 1495 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:52,079 investigation. 1496 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:54,079 And if you if the town contends that 1497 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:55,760 ownership is why you didn't investigate, 1498 00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:58,240 I'd like to see that in the 1499 00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:00,960 » There's plenty of documentation showing 1500 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:03,040 that there's been investigations, that 1501 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,359 there has been multiple visits to the 1502 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,799 site. 1503 00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:06,240 » He says there's nothing in his file. As 1504 00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:07,520 of when I was in here the other day, 1505 00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:10,240 there was nothing in his file for my 1506 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:14,319 case. Zero. I entered all that stuff in 1507 00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:15,920 there the other day manually with Evelyn 1508 00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:17,440 piece by piece to make sure that they 1509 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,520 had every single thing and if there has 1510 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,599 been communication. That's part of why I 1511 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,200 asked for that in the 91A. I'd like to 1512 00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:25,760 see it because it pertains 1513 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,599 » Well. I mean, some of it is going to be 1514 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:30,400 face-toface 1515 00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:32,960 verbal communication. Hey, what's going 1516 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,480 on with 1517 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,960 Hybrbridge Road? Okay. 1518 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:39,280 » So, I can't provide any documentation on 1519 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,440 that, but I know that it this is not 1520 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:44,240 something that has been 1521 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,799 » Fallen off the radar. Neither has 1522 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,319 » The town. 1523 00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:50,720 » It hasn't. It's But there's these pieces 1524 00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:53,599 to it that as you said when you first 1525 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,960 sat down, this is very complex and I 1526 00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:57,200 don't know how many court orders you 1527 00:57:54,960 --> 00:58:00,960 said you have out there, right? Or 1528 00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:04,799 » Filings. 10. Oh, my filings are 1529 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,599 » So I I'm just saying it it it's 1530 00:58:04,799 --> 00:58:08,400 » That's the way 1531 00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:10,960 » If the town if the town contends that 1532 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:13,680 they haven't worked on that working 1533 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,200 without a permit order even after the 1534 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,799 stuff came from the DOT and everything 1535 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:20,400 else like that because of the ownership 1536 00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:21,040 issues. I would like them to cite that. 1537 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,079 » Well, I'm not 1538 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,359 » In the ordinances. 1539 00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:27,119 » I'm not trying to say what Pete has 1540 00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:30,240 done. I'm not trying to say that. All 1541 00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:32,559 I'm all I'm saying is I know that this 1542 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,559 case has not been something that's been 1543 00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:35,520 ignored. It's been on the mind of that's 1544 00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:37,440 all I'm saying. 1545 00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:40,240 » When someone brings a complaint, a 1546 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:43,359 public complaint forward, 1547 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:45,920 » Um under 91A, you're supposed to speak 1548 00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:48,559 about all parts of that case public. Not 1549 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,839 only was I made aware of the 114 meeting 1550 00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:52,160 that you guys were going to talk about 1551 00:58:49,839 --> 00:58:54,240 it, you started out by saying, "We 1552 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,160 talked about this off there. It's a 1553 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,440 non-issue boundary thing." You just 1554 00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,680 that's how the whole thing went. Then 1555 00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,040 you ruled on it before I even came here. 1556 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,319 Somebody else told me that who was here 1557 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,599 that told me that you were here. I never 1558 00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:05,359 got notice from anybody else that the 1559 00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:08,079 hearing was going to happen which again 1560 00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:10,400 is another violation and then just now 1561 00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:12,720 » It was a followup and it was said the 1562 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,559 previous meeting we are going to look 1563 00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,920 into this this week and we're going to 1564 00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:17,119 take it up again next week. 1565 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,079 » It didn't say next week. I have the 1566 00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:19,760 transcripts from the thing. It doesn't 1567 00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:21,040 say that. We said we'll get back to you. 1568 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,640 Didn't say that. I was in the town 1569 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:25,119 office that day and Debbie Dean didn't 1570 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,720 say nothing about it. Anyways, my my 1571 00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:28,400 whole thing is I mean you guys can see 1572 00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:31,040 the transcripts yourself 1573 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:33,280 » But but the whole thing is is that 1574 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:35,680 » From that point forward nothing. 1575 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:38,240 » So even if there was things talked about 1576 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:41,200 like you said face to face that 1577 00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,880 complaint was made in public at that 1578 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,200 moment there should be no more talking 1579 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:47,280 behind doors about it. It should be 1580 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:50,079 publicly addressed or 1581 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:52,160 » Or the board votes to talk about it in 1582 00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:56,000 private discussion. No, but wasn't it 1583 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:58,000 public when we took it up again and we 1584 00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:02,559 » The followup was, 1585 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:06,000 » Hey, the dumpsters are gone. 1586 01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:08,240 There's no issue. 1587 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:12,640 That was the f first hearing and that's 1588 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:15,040 when we said, well, I mean, 1589 01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,559 » The violation that the town the only 1590 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,680 violation the town would give me. I 1591 01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:18,960 mean, if we were coming there for the 1592 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,240 just the dumpsters, that'd be great. But 1593 01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,000 the thing that you were supposed to be 1594 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:24,000 doing was working without a permit. 1595 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,920 That's the two things that are open now 1596 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,880 is working without a permit. 1597 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:31,359 » I have the case right here, the number 1598 01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:33,440 if you want it. It's still been open. 1599 01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:35,280 That's two of them. So it wasn't 1600 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:37,119 driveway. It wasn't trash and hauling. 1601 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,960 That's what I tried to go in front of 1602 01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:41,359 the zoning board with. 1603 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:43,599 » But that is what you came to us with. 1604 01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:45,280 » Exactly. But Debbie Deon and the zoning 1605 01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:46,720 board only put in front of there working 1606 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,640 without a permit. That's the only thing 1607 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,920 they came out of there. Not once was 1608 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:53,839 that other any of that addressed. The 1609 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,839 only thing that the trash and hauling 1610 01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:59,599 was Mr. Cormier came in and tried to get 1611 01:00:55,839 --> 01:01:01,119 a variance for that. But it still didn't 1612 01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:02,960 address the work without a permit and 1613 01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:05,359 still leaves my property open without 1614 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,960 any buffer. 1615 01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:08,880 Anyways, 1616 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,960 you know, 1617 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:14,720 I want the works to I feel like having a 1618 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:16,559 realistic time frame. I mean, 1619 01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,640 » What do you consider a realistic time 1620 01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:21,440 frame? I mean, Pete Pete lives, we'll 1621 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:23,839 say, 10 minutes down the road. Anytime 1622 01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:26,400 down in the next two weeks before your 1623 01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:28,000 zoning board, this this hearing happens 1624 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,440 again, 1625 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:32,799 he should have been able to go over 1626 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:34,000 there. Even if it says that I it doesn't 1627 01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:35,599 I haven't asked them to show me 1628 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,200 ownership, but I have given those 1629 01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:40,960 documents to the town, the title 1630 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:43,520 insurance, the the survey from the USDA, 1631 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:46,880 all that other stuff. um I have given to 1632 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:48,559 the to the town and Pete should be able 1633 01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,640 to make his own decision without the 1634 01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:52,240 court. If Pete thinks or the board 1635 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,160 thinks that the court is needed for them 1636 01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:56,319 to make a decision again, I want them to 1637 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:59,680 cite that in the ordinance where the 1638 01:01:56,319 --> 01:02:02,640 court is needed for that to address the 1639 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:05,599 open town violation. It has nothing to 1640 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:08,559 do with the court. 1641 01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:10,640 And so I I I think in next two weeks 1642 01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:12,000 Pete should be able to go over there, 1643 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,799 especially where it says he has no 1644 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:17,359 ownership interest 1645 01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:19,440 and address the work that at least 1646 01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:21,760 happened from the date of that order. 1647 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,839 And I have pictures of before and after 1648 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:27,839 at least the date where the town put the 1649 01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:29,119 violation in till now because that at 1650 01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:32,920 least shows that he didn't even care 1651 01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:32,920 what you guys had to say. 1652 01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:42,720 There you go. 1653 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:45,359 » Have a good evening. 1654 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,799 » So, do we agree that, you know, in a 1655 01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:49,760 couple of because I just said that about 1656 01:02:46,799 --> 01:02:50,079 Pete. We didn't like really decide on a 1657 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,000 decent 1658 01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:52,480 » A couple of weeks sounds very reasonable 1659 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,760 to me. 1660 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,240 » Check with Pete and see what the deal 1661 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:54,960 is. 1662 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,119 » But yeah, 1663 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:59,520 » I don't I have no idea what the position 1664 01:02:57,119 --> 01:03:01,040 of the zoning board is on any of this. I 1665 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:04,400 don't know if they had a discussion 1666 01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:06,079 about their own cease desist, which 1667 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,799 » I don't know. I don't know. 1668 01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:08,720 » Yeah. 1669 01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:10,319 » But their remedy for a cease to assist, 1670 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,839 if he continues to do, is to go to 1671 01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:13,920 court. But you're already in court. 1672 01:03:11,839 --> 01:03:16,960 That's why I was asking you, did you 1673 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:19,440 file a motion for contempt against the 1674 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:21,920 order that Mr. Cormier still 1675 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,960 » Yes. And I also, of course, termination 1676 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,039 of easement. 1677 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:27,280 » When was that filed? 1678 01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:28,799 » Uh before this was I mean I don't know 1679 01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,960 the exact date. It's been in there. But 1680 01:03:28,799 --> 01:03:33,760 I just want to say I just hadn't I just 1681 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:37,119 had something or uh answered on that I 1682 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:39,119 filed 1018 2025. 1683 01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:39,760 » So it's not fast. 1684 01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:41,520 » Okay. 1685 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,200 » I wish that it was 1686 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,640 » It's not like Judge Judy at all. I don't 1687 01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,640 have a lot of court experience. 1688 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,880 » I'm going to reiterate. I think two 1689 01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:52,079 weeks sounds like a reasonable time 1690 01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:53,359 period. However, I don't know the extent 1691 01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:55,760 of 1692 01:03:53,359 --> 01:03:58,319 » Of the work that he needs to do. If if 1693 01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:01,960 if the if the board decides and I leave 1694 01:03:58,319 --> 01:04:01,960 here because again 1695 01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:06,240 » I don't want to make any ripples more 1696 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:08,480 than I'm already going to be making and 1697 01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:12,079 you guys decide that you know we don't 1698 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:14,559 see under which this rule that Lorraine 1699 01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:16,799 sent that this even applies to have a 1700 01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:18,319 hearing. I think it's perfectly 1701 01:04:16,799 --> 01:04:20,559 reasonable to ask him to recuse himself 1702 01:04:18,319 --> 01:04:22,559 from him voting on my stuff because I 1703 01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:26,160 worked really hard with that and it's 1704 01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:29,119 just a couple of votes. He did vote with 1705 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:30,240 Cormier on a couple of things like one 1706 01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:32,240 of them is going to put 1707 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:34,079 » It's not a popularity contest at the end 1708 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,920 of the day. All it is is what was the 1709 01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:38,480 final decision and that was what my 1710 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:40,640 point was. It's not a matter of 1711 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,799 » If people that we put in front of us 1712 01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:46,079 have should have a duty to listen to the 1713 01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:48,480 citizens. Your board zoning all those to 1714 01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:50,559 to follow the town ordinances and to 1715 01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,480 listen to the people and for him to say 1716 01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:54,400 things like 80% of what we say is 1717 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:57,440 irrelevant and in one ear the other when 1718 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,880 I'm suing his kid is tainting it's 1719 01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,119 tainting it. It's cloudy. 1720 01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:03,359 » But it was already the only thing 1721 01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:05,359 they're supposed to do is to follow the 1722 01:05:03,359 --> 01:05:06,960 ordinances. It matters not what the 1723 01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:08,240 citizens say. If 1724 01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,319 » I can just tell you that 1725 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:12,559 » They have to follow the rules, not the 1726 01:05:10,319 --> 01:05:13,520 opinions, not the emotions. 1727 01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:15,599 » And and 1728 01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,839 » But I'd like I'd like to wind this down. 1729 01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:18,319 » Yeah. 1730 01:05:15,839 --> 01:05:20,799 » Um because Yeah. 1731 01:05:18,319 --> 01:05:22,000 » I I believe you've made your point. Are 1732 01:05:20,799 --> 01:05:23,760 you 1733 01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,680 » Do you agree? Are you satisfied? 1734 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,280 » Yeah, I I'm satisfied. I hope that when 1735 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:29,039 I come back in a couple of weeks that 1736 01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,720 we'll, you know, can have a realistic 1737 01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:33,280 timeline for rolling production for the 1738 01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:35,440 91A, have something, you know, and I I 1739 01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,520 don't I was very, you know, I didn't 1740 01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,920 rush with the last ones. The last one 1741 01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,440 took months to come in and I'm I'm fine 1742 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,079 with that, but those weren't complete. 1743 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,960 And I 1744 01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:47,599 » Are they similar requests? 1745 01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:49,280 » Two of Two were I mean, the bank records 1746 01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:51,359 never came, Jason. Not one. 1747 01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:53,440 » Yeah. 1748 01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:56,720 That there was some issue with the PDF 1749 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:59,200 format. Yes, her her right to not 1750 01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:01,520 request the other day was 31 pages long, 1751 01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,160 13 requests. It's probably about 10,000 1752 01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:02,400 documents. 1753 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,160 » Yeah, 1754 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,680 » It will take years. 1755 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,359 » It wouldn't take years. Those are 1756 01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,720 records that the town is required to 1757 01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:10,240 have on hand. 1758 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,680 » But you have you have 1759 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,680 » The bank records are 1760 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,440 » You've brought 1761 01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,200 are you satisfied that you brought your 1762 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,119 concerns to the board? The board is 1763 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:21,599 aware of what you would like the board 1764 01:06:19,119 --> 01:06:22,799 to do because I like I said I would like 1765 01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:24,880 to 1766 01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:26,000 » No, no, no. I'm I'm I'm happy with 1767 01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,559 everything, but you know, 1768 01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,680 » Good. 1769 01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:32,079 » Uh we we you know, I guess Jack, I don't 1770 01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:33,760 know if you want to work on a realistic 1771 01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:34,400 uh rolling production with me through 1772 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:37,440 email. 1773 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:38,160 » We can try to identify something. 1774 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:38,720 » I mean 1775 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:42,160 » I mean 1776 01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:42,960 » That's that is typically how it's not 1777 01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,240 usually handled. 1778 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,680 » Oh, I don't I'm not saying no. This is 1779 01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,280 do within five days. But what I'm saying 1780 01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,240 is those bank records and stuff like 1781 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,000 that, they're supposed to be here 1782 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,520 already. I don't need you to make me 1783 01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,440 another copy. I'll come in and scan them 1784 01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,520 my own self, my own equipment. You don't 1785 01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,799 have to do anything except point me out 1786 01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,880 and you can sit there along with me. I 1787 01:06:56,799 --> 01:07:00,880 don't care. But I'm allowed to see the 1788 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:03,359 record. So is everybody else. 1789 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:05,440 » Thank you so much, Joe. 1790 01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:07,359 » And no one disagrees with that, Larry. 1791 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,839 » Yeah, I I know that. 1792 01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:09,280 » Listen, 1793 01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:12,079 » That said, I can assure you we're not 1794 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:14,559 keeping that many documents. I mean, 1795 01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:15,839 once the audit is over, we don't. It's 1796 01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:16,319 just not enough for monitor to store all 1797 01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:17,760 those documents. 1798 01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:19,119 » Well, there's a legal requirement how 1799 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,359 long you're supposed to keep your 1800 01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:22,799 especially bank records. those records 1801 01:07:21,359 --> 01:07:23,920 legal requirement seven years. So I'm 1802 01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:25,119 only asking for five. 1803 01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,200 » Oh, okay. 1804 01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:28,880 » So I 1805 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,839 » All right. 1806 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,520 » You know. 1807 01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:33,119 » Yep. 1808 01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:36,200 » Have a fabulous day, J. 1809 01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:36,200 » All right. 1810 01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:46,079 » You're quiet. 1811 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:49,359 » That's okay. We're moving on. 1812 01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:53,799 » Budget. budget 1813 01:07:49,359 --> 01:07:53,799 scheduling and processes. 1814 01:07:54,640 --> 01:08:00,079 » Yeah, I I think it's useful to have um a 1815 01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:02,559 little bit of a discussion about your 1816 01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:04,640 thoughts on where you want the budget to 1817 01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:07,200 be in terms of percentage increase. I 1818 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:10,160 mean, obviously the fuel costs have 1819 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:11,839 virtually doubled. That's huge given 1820 01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,839 » If not tripled already. 1821 01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:18,319 » Yeah. Um 1822 01:08:13,839 --> 01:08:20,080 um and um you know it's really kind of 1823 01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:24,400 your decision whether you want to stick 1824 01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:28,000 with some sort of CPI or 4% or something 1825 01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:31,120 uh with a cargo for energy or the 1826 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:33,440 non-discretion everything that we don't 1827 01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:36,880 have a lot of control over 1828 01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:39,920 just some some guidance for the FAC and 1829 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:45,159 staff would be be kind of helpful gives 1830 01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:45,159 us a a goal to shoot for. 1831 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:53,120 » Well, definitely on the uncontrollables, 1832 01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:56,880 we would, in my opinion, would need to 1833 01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:59,199 see where the current 1834 01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:01,040 prices are, especially with even 1835 01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:03,120 utilities. 1836 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:06,880 Um, 1837 01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:09,040 I know that power is another one that's 1838 01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:12,480 going up. 1839 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:17,920 Um, you could pretty much All energy. 1840 01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:20,319 » All energy. And I think uh 1841 01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:22,880 last I remember did we was there 1842 01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:25,120 something with the insurance 1843 01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,000 that we were kind of getting tight on 1844 01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,759 » The health insurance? 1845 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,759 » Probably the health insurance management 1846 01:09:27,759 --> 01:09:31,440 that's always going to go up double 1847 01:09:29,759 --> 01:09:36,480 digit it seems. 1848 01:09:31,440 --> 01:09:40,239 » Um the uh primex rates the insurance for 1849 01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:42,159 property liability workers compose 1850 01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:43,839 those those fluctuate a little bit. I 1851 01:09:42,159 --> 01:09:45,120 think actually workers comp might be 1852 01:09:43,839 --> 01:09:47,199 headed downward a little bit. 1853 01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:49,120 Unemployment I think might be down but 1854 01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:51,440 it's offset on the other end but we 1855 01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:53,440 it'll be u 1856 01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:56,480 a little while longer before we we know 1857 01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:59,520 what those rates are but you know it's 1858 01:09:56,480 --> 01:10:01,440 pretty much claims driven. 1859 01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:04,320 So that's I mean that's one of my 1860 01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:06,000 concerns. Another another one would be 1861 01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:09,120 um 1862 01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:12,920 obviously as we kind of just heard is 1863 01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,920 the town attorney 1864 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,440 legal legal line. 1865 01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,640 » Um 1866 01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:22,480 » My bet is you're going to have to 1867 01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:25,520 increase that. It's a Yeah, I I can see 1868 01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:28,320 where it's been 1869 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:31,760 unfortunate, but 1870 01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:34,080 you know, the town has to have certain 1871 01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:36,239 uh 1872 01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:39,360 what do you call it? Representation. You 1873 01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:43,040 got to have representation. So, 1874 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:45,040 that is one on my mind. And also I 1875 01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:47,920 believe that 1876 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:50,800 these even though they are I don't know 1877 01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:53,679 where we budgeted for but with these 1878 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:56,159 RTK's 1879 01:10:53,679 --> 01:10:57,280 where does that does anybody know on 1880 01:10:56,159 --> 01:10:58,320 this board like 1881 01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,239 » I'm sorry 1882 01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,440 » The right to know is that come in 1883 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:04,640 » Oh 1884 01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:07,520 » Because it takes time it takes people's 1885 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:11,840 efforts to go find it. 1886 01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:13,120 » Where where is that budgeted at? 1887 01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:13,679 probably isn't really. 1888 01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,480 » Yeah. 1889 01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:17,920 » Yeah. I don't think there's no 1890 01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:18,800 separating that out. 1891 01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,440 » Yeah. 1892 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:23,679 » But I know from experience that it's 1893 01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:27,280 comes out of legal. 1894 01:11:23,679 --> 01:11:30,719 Um I don't know how much we've spent to 1895 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:34,960 date fil 1896 01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:36,480 through our attorneys answering RTKs. 1897 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,800 It's in the thousands. 1898 01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:41,600 » Yeah. 1899 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:45,600 And a lot of times 1900 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:48,560 they'll be presented and then we'll be 1901 01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:50,960 presented with an RSA this and RSA that 1902 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:54,080 and RSA this says you have to have to 1903 01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:56,400 have to have to and rather than take 1904 01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:59,040 people's word for it, it's incumbent on 1905 01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:04,159 us to ask our attorneys what is the 1906 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:05,760 proper course of action and so then 1907 01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:08,239 fall into it as well. 1908 01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,239 » Yeah. 1909 01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:16,679 I'm looking at our 1910 01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:16,679 expenditures for the year. 1911 01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:30,640 I think our legal budget maybe I mean we 1912 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:33,040 have it broken down ZBA legal, planning 1913 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:37,080 board legal 1914 01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:37,080 and BOS legal. 1915 01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:44,480 I think the overall legal budget is 1916 01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:47,360 okay 1917 01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:52,480 from what I've seen 1918 01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:56,400 combining the three. Now some years 1919 01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:59,600 um ZBA legal has gone over and tap into 1920 01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:01,120 BOS or maybe not gone over but it 1921 01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,480 fluctuated. 1922 01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,760 » Yeah. Because you can never predict 1923 01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:05,840 who's going to appeal and where it's 1924 01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,400 going to go. those sort of things. 1925 01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,840 » Yeah. 1926 01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:10,880 » Try to look at maybe a three-year 1927 01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:12,239 average or something. Find a number that 1928 01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,560 works. 1929 01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:16,640 » Correct. 1930 01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:19,360 » But definitely Yeah. on the fuel, the 1931 01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:21,760 energy. Yeah. Energy and in general. 1932 01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:24,080 » Yeah. And I believe the FAC when they 1933 01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:27,040 start digging into this that that's 1934 01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:29,120 going to be 1935 01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:32,800 » An obvious increase. 1936 01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:36,719 » Yeah. Big question for the board is um 1937 01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:38,560 do we do cola raises? 1938 01:13:36,719 --> 01:13:43,480 » Big question for the board is what 1939 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:43,480 » Is what kind of a do we want to 1940 01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:50,239 is it important to the board to include 1941 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:52,320 a colaries for the employees this year? 1942 01:13:50,239 --> 01:13:55,520 » We have some time to look for that. 1943 01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:58,320 » We do have time. I want to get the 1944 01:13:55,520 --> 01:14:00,400 the thought processes rolling right now. 1945 01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:02,159 » Yeah. The numbers right now are I think 1946 01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:05,600 it's 3.6. 1947 01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:10,360 » That that's the inflationary number. 1948 01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:10,360 » We had no color races last year. 1949 01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:18,000 » So there was none. 1950 01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:21,440 So now what? 1951 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,920 » I think was it on the um proposed 1952 01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:22,239 budget? 1953 01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:23,520 » Yeah. 1954 01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:23,920 » And it got voted down. 1955 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,320 » Yeah. 1956 01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:29,120 » Okay. So I think it's important to put a 1957 01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:32,080 cola in. I mean I I think It gets a 1958 01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:33,760 little problematic um from a recruiting 1959 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,520 and retention point of view to try to 1960 01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:37,840 balance the entire town budget on the 1961 01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:39,280 back of 20 employees. 1962 01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,199 » I don't think that's particularly fair 1963 01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:44,159 and it doesn't make you very attractive 1964 01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:47,120 as a you're trying to hire and keep 1965 01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:49,679 people. I mean, people need to make a 1966 01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,880 living. 1967 01:14:49,679 --> 01:14:52,239 Yeah. 1968 01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:55,360 » And this is where I'm saying like 1969 01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:57,120 there's a inflationary rate, 1970 01:14:55,360 --> 01:15:00,080 but we kind of missed a year of 1971 01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:03,640 inflationary increase. 1972 01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,640 Should it be more? 1973 01:15:04,719 --> 01:15:07,600 » And then again, 1974 01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:11,040 » Let's see where it's going to go because 1975 01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:14,400 there's going to be, you know, 1976 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:17,600 couple of votes coming up. 1977 01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:22,239 » What do you mean? 1978 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:26,719 » Whenever Um we don't know 1979 01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:29,760 how the legislature is going to start um 1980 01:15:26,719 --> 01:15:31,760 coming up with you know whether it's 1981 01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:35,560 predominantly we are going to be 1982 01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,560 conservative or 1983 01:15:35,679 --> 01:15:39,920 » But what would that have to do with 1984 01:15:37,679 --> 01:15:43,880 » Because they're the voting body that 1985 01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:43,880 actually sets those 1986 01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:50,400 » Oh 1987 01:15:47,679 --> 01:15:53,120 like social security administration and 1988 01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:55,440 that 1989 01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:57,120 » Right but we are the voting body that 1990 01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:57,360 sets it for new switch 1991 01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,960 » Right 1992 01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:03,760 » We can say 10% cola if we want to 1993 01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:08,640 » It sets it but 1994 01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:09,280 typically um we follow the um the 1995 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,520 government 1996 01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:13,520 » We have my point in bringing it up is do 1997 01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:15,280 we want to go higher than that because 1998 01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:18,719 we gave no increase 1999 01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:21,120 » I'd say we don't know what higher is or 2000 01:16:18,719 --> 01:16:22,640 or whether we can afford it. 2001 01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:25,120 » That's probably the bot that's the 2002 01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:29,480 bottom line and take it taking the the 2003 01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:29,480 tone of the voters last year 2004 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,520 is 2005 01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:36,320 » Yeah I think incre I think the the 2006 01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:42,000 minimum is 2007 01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:44,640 uh a better chance for people to vote um 2008 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:46,880 you know 2009 01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:51,600 I think it's hard press trying to 2010 01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:52,640 increase more but we don't know you know 2011 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,679 » We have to 2012 01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:57,199 » Is there a range can we set up a 2013 01:16:55,679 --> 01:16:59,920 » A two vote system 2014 01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:02,480 » Well we are going to when once we start 2015 01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:04,239 getting into the process 2016 01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:05,040 » That's when 2017 01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:06,960 you know what I'm saying 2018 01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:08,800 » I wanted to just 2019 01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,400 » Get the gears turning in our head what 2020 01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:13,199 are we shooting for 2021 01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:15,120 » I would like at least inflationary 2022 01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:15,920 » Cola 2023 01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,199 » I would say 2024 01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,320 » Eyeball 2025 01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:20,400 Um, 2026 01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:22,800 » So just for preliminary purposes, like 2027 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:24,640 3.5 just 2028 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:27,760 » Yeah. Well, like what Lou quoted, I just 2029 01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:29,920 read that as well. 2030 01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:31,520 » What' you say it was? 3.6. 2031 01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:33,360 » 3.6. 2032 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:36,159 Um 2033 01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:38,480 but then to somehow 2034 01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:39,199 work the magic 2035 01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:41,360 » Well, you know, 2036 01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:43,040 » Keeping that 2037 01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:45,199 that bottom line number that the 2038 01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:50,880 taxpayers and the chairman are so 2039 01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:53,040 concerned about still conservative while 2040 01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:55,360 catching up on wages. 2041 01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:57,440 » Well, we can ask the FA to just we can 2042 01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:59,040 have just plug in a 3.5, see what that 2043 01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:01,600 number is. If it needs to be less, then 2044 01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:03,360 we make an adjustment. But at least to 2045 01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,640 get give a a start 2046 01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,480 » Starting point. Yeah. 2047 01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,719 » Yeah. I mean obviously everything's 2048 01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:09,520 going to be driven by the bottom line 2049 01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:11,600 » And then you look up 2050 01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:14,640 » I mean the idea is 2051 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:17,520 » Level funded. 2052 01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:18,400 » That's the ideal. Taxpayers like level 2053 01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,719 funded. 2054 01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:22,960 » Well you you you can level fund but 2055 01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:24,560 let's let's talk about the areas in 2056 01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:27,120 which you would accept level funding 2057 01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:29,120 like personnel, right? Not going to add 2058 01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,800 any more people. 2059 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,560 So Denmark, yeah, Denmark does 2060 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:35,040 » Something like that. 2061 01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:38,800 » But you also have to look at um let's 2062 01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:42,719 say DPW, you've got some older uh 2063 01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:45,520 equipment out there as such and that's 2064 01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:48,000 going to have you 2065 01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:50,560 could have a big impact 2066 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:52,640 » On the like the maintenance line. 2067 01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:55,280 » Yeah. Well, they have a huge maintenance 2068 01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:57,920 line and I think that's been that has 2069 01:18:55,280 --> 01:19:00,320 been historically the way that the DPW 2070 01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:02,640 has operated is with a huge maintenance 2071 01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,960 line and run these things right to the 2072 01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,120 ground. 2073 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:09,120 » We had a lot of trucks break down this 2074 01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:11,679 » Dirt. I heard. Yeah. 2075 01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:14,960 » But there could be speaking on that like 2076 01:19:11,679 --> 01:19:18,400 on the DPW. Um 2077 01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:20,239 I'm not sure if they do this or not, but 2078 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:22,159 would be like do do you know if they 2079 01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:24,480 wash 2080 01:19:22,159 --> 01:19:25,040 like try to get the salt off the trucks? 2081 01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:28,760 » Yeah. 2082 01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,760 » They got pressure washer. 2083 01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:39,440 » What we typically got in what the 2084 01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:42,400 Like on the trucks, have we gotten the 2085 01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:43,199 lifespan of what we budget for or is it 2086 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,320 always 2087 01:19:43,199 --> 01:19:47,679 » I mean we have 2088 01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:48,080 » We have a CPI setup. I've got that 2089 01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:49,199 » Right 2090 01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:49,760 » At home. 2091 01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:50,320 » Yeah. 2092 01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,080 » But 2093 01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,600 » But like say you buy a truck and you 2094 01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:56,719 say, "Hey, this thing lasts seven 2095 01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:58,880 years." Are we getting actually 2096 01:19:56,719 --> 01:20:00,960 » The seven years out of them out of this 2097 01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:02,800 equipment or is it 2098 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,920 » Is there is there an inventory? 2099 01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:06,880 » You know what I'm saying? You know, it 2100 01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:07,920 it all depends. Right now, we've got um 2101 01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:08,159 I'm sorry. Did you want to say 2102 01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,000 something? 2103 01:20:08,159 --> 01:20:11,840 » No, no. I just asking if if there's an 2104 01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,600 inventory that I mean, 2105 01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:16,000 » Yeah, I've got a spreadsheet. 2106 01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:17,360 » Usually, the CFA is going to have a list 2107 01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,320 of the vehicles, the age of vehicles, 2108 01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,560 the mileage, 2109 01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:23,280 » Right? You know, and that kind of the 2110 01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:24,159 lifetime try to plug that in the future 2111 01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:27,520 year when you're think 2112 01:20:24,159 --> 01:20:30,800 » That's what D wanted to go over with us 2113 01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:34,880 last week. And again, that's you know, D 2114 01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:38,960 and I have been working on that and um 2115 01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:41,600 you know, we're looking at um 2116 01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:43,600 let's just say a fire truck and that's 2117 01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,080 going to be a couple million dollars. 2118 01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,239 » Yeah. 2119 01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,640 » And you know, today's money, 2120 01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:49,280 » Right? 2121 01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:51,520 » And that that's a big 2122 01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:55,360 a big hit. 2123 01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:57,440 Um you know, we have 2124 01:20:55,360 --> 01:21:02,320 I think there's 2125 01:20:57,440 --> 01:21:05,040 it either a backhoe or a grater. Um that 2126 01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:09,040 was coming up that 2127 01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:10,800 I think it was on 2128 01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,960 was it 2129 01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,480 we didn't pay outright for it but 2130 01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,280 » Yeah the the 2131 01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:15,920 » The loader 2132 01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,920 » The loader 2133 01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:20,960 » Has a lease to it. 2134 01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:24,960 That's it. The load has a lease on and 2135 01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:27,199 that's coming up for renewal or 2136 01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:29,360 » Purchase. 2137 01:21:27,199 --> 01:21:31,280 » Is it a lease purchase to own or no? 2138 01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:33,679 » Yeah, it's a lease purchase. 2139 01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:37,120 » Do you know if Whead how many years the 2140 01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:40,000 lease was for? 2141 01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:42,640 » Yeah, we've already had it for five or 2142 01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:45,040 six years or more. One of the one of the 2143 01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:48,000 to me one of the values of leasing is 2144 01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:52,560 you stay in there. 2145 01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:54,480 Your lease period is covered by warranty 2146 01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:58,480 and at the end of the lease you turn it 2147 01:21:54,480 --> 01:22:00,719 back in. You get a higher value 2148 01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:02,400 and you get a newer piece of equipment 2149 01:22:00,719 --> 01:22:06,480 but you mitigate the cost because the 2150 01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:08,480 value of a seven year old is or sixy old 2151 01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:09,440 is higher than it would be if you're 10 2152 01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:11,679 years old. 2153 01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:13,280 » You have a taller time up to that 2154 01:22:11,679 --> 01:22:18,480 replacement. So, 2155 01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:19,600 » As long as it's not broken mirrors and 2156 01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:21,520 broken vendors, 2157 01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,800 » Right? But that doesn't yield towards 2158 01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,239 keeping it longer, 2159 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:27,199 » Right? No, 2160 01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:29,199 » But what I'm saying is, you know, I kind 2161 01:22:27,199 --> 01:22:30,560 if you can't cash, 2162 01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:32,239 » Right? 2163 01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:34,480 rolling through a lease period where 2164 01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:37,520 your maintenance and your warranty 2165 01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:40,560 align. You're you're you're turning over 2166 01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:42,639 that equipment, your your fleet, your 2167 01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:45,120 average fleet condition is actually 2168 01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:47,199 better. You're stabilizing your debt 2169 01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:49,199 because you're not keeping it and then 2170 01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:52,320 climbing up the big hill, you know, 2171 01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:54,800 thousands up to 250,000. 2172 01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:56,960 » The questioning the value of 2173 01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:59,120 » So it's a much more stable 2174 01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,920 » For budgeting predictable. It's very 2175 01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:00,560 ideal. 2176 01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:02,239 » Yeah. 2177 01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,280 » Okay. 2178 01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:05,120 » Assuming you can't cash, 2179 01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:07,199 » But what is the cost? 2180 01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,320 » And that that's the thing is what is the 2181 01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:10,560 final? 2182 01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,880 » Yeah. We should look at some of that too 2183 01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,639 because 2184 01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:14,800 » Well the big difference is either three 2185 01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:16,239 or 4% whatever the lease cost is. Other 2186 01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,840 than that it's a piece of equipment. 2187 01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:19,679 Somebody's got to pay for it. The price 2188 01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:22,639 of the equipment is what it is. The only 2189 01:23:19,679 --> 01:23:26,400 thing that really varies is the interest 2190 01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:29,280 charge. The interest charge is obviously 2191 01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:32,320 an addition, but frankly it is no 2192 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:35,280 different than the opportunity cost. If 2193 01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:36,560 you saved up that money and use the 2194 01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:38,159 interest over the years of the 2195 01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:40,000 contribution, it's the same thing. 2196 01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:41,520 You're just one way or another, you're 2197 01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:41,760 taking that money out of circulation, 2198 01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:43,840 right? 2199 01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:46,560 » You're going to get some interest on it. 2200 01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:48,320 » So, it's really about can you afford the 2201 01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,600 equipment that you think you need or 2202 01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,040 must have 2203 01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:53,520 » And then how you going to get there? 2204 01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:54,560 because if you don't have the cash, 2205 01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,880 you're going to have to borrow somebody 2206 01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:58,560 else's money. 2207 01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:01,360 » And another thing to look at with 2208 01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:03,040 leasing is to 2209 01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:05,679 um 2210 01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:09,760 with nowadays equipment especially, you 2211 01:24:05,679 --> 01:24:11,440 know, back in the day, 80s, 90s, a lot 2212 01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:13,600 of people could work on exactly 2213 01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:14,560 » Your own piece of equipment very easily. 2214 01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,920 » Exactly. 2215 01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,639 nowadays 2216 01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:17,840 » 2,000 2217 01:24:16,639 --> 01:24:18,239 » There's no way you 2218 01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,639 » Right 2219 01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:21,679 » And and even if you take it to a shop 2220 01:24:20,639 --> 01:24:23,520 » Right 2221 01:24:21,679 --> 01:24:24,560 » I mean just for them to look at it is 2222 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,040 another 2223 01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,120 » Right 2224 01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:29,920 » You know $500 just to look at it 2225 01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:34,239 » And that that comes back to uh the 2226 01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:35,840 concept of a lease that has perhaps an 2227 01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:38,239 extended warranty and a maintenance 2228 01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,679 built in because there is not much you 2229 01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:41,840 can do on these these days 2230 01:24:39,679 --> 01:24:45,199 » You know two or three $4,000 controllers 2231 01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:46,639 and 200 microprocessors and all that 2232 01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:47,840 stuff, 2233 01:24:46,639 --> 01:24:48,239 » Deaf systems. 2234 01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:49,040 » Yeah. 2235 01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:51,840 » I mean, 2236 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:53,679 » That has 10 grand a piece 2237 01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,960 » And that has really hit 2238 01:24:53,679 --> 01:24:56,159 » Cars also. 2239 01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:59,040 » I mean, yeah. 2240 01:24:56,159 --> 01:25:01,520 » You know, uh if you have a Volvo, you 2241 01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:04,080 can't change the oil on it. You have to 2242 01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:05,920 take it into a Volvo dealership. 2243 01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:09,360 » Wow. Yeah. 2244 01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:12,560 It's becoming encompassed that when you 2245 01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:14,080 buy the equipment, you almost have to 2246 01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:15,199 buy their maintenance package. 2247 01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:17,280 » Sure. Correct. No, you do. 2248 01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:19,440 » If you're trying to do it outside of it, 2249 01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:21,040 you're you're almost 2250 01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:22,800 » Losing at that point. 2251 01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:24,480 » Yeah. 2252 01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,840 » But that ties back to your maintenance 2253 01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:26,239 cost because ultimately, 2254 01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,080 » Right, 2255 01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:29,120 » You spend you can spend an inordinate 2256 01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,159 amount on maintenance, 2257 01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:32,719 » Right? 2258 01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:34,480 » And once the truck is down, it's down, 2259 01:25:32,719 --> 01:25:36,239 » Right? down until a part comes in and 2260 01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:37,280 down until it gets fixed. 2261 01:25:36,239 --> 01:25:38,560 » Well, then you don't have it. 2262 01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:39,040 Particularly if you're in the middle of 2263 01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:40,239 winter, 2264 01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:43,120 » Right? 2265 01:25:40,239 --> 01:25:45,040 » And and another thing with leasing, I 2266 01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:48,960 mean, these are the pros, there is cons, 2267 01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:51,600 but is if you do lease a piece of 2268 01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:53,440 equipment, a lot of times if you set it 2269 01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:56,400 up with whatever dealer, wherever you 2270 01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:59,280 buy it from, if your piece of equipment 2271 01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:02,639 goes down, a lot of times they'll give 2272 01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:05,360 you a borrowed replacement while this in 2273 01:26:02,639 --> 01:26:07,280 the shop if they're on if you're under 2274 01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:09,840 their maintenance program. If you're 2275 01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:11,199 not, if you just buy it outright and say 2276 01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,440 no, 2277 01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:15,520 » You're you're up, you know, you're on 2278 01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:17,440 your own then at that point. 2279 01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:20,080 » So, 2280 01:26:17,440 --> 01:26:23,040 » I see a lot more communities leasing 2281 01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:24,880 because with with taxpayer and budget 2282 01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:26,480 sensitivity, there simply is not the 2283 01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,080 opportunity to contribute a whole bunch 2284 01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:30,800 of cash here 2285 01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:34,400 » To build up for purchase five years down 2286 01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:36,320 the road. It's just it's just not what 2287 01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:37,520 people have enough cash for. Some 2288 01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,320 communities can do it, but 2289 01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,639 » Right 2290 01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:44,080 » It's it's not always the case. 2291 01:26:40,639 --> 01:26:45,920 » Jack, well, I can send a copy of of 2292 01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:48,800 » I would like it. Yeah. If you have 2293 01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:51,199 something that has our 2294 01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,920 » This is what D was going to present to 2295 01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:52,800 us. 2296 01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:53,840 » So, you have that. 2297 01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,199 » You want me to 2298 01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,800 » Yeah. forward it to 2299 01:26:55,199 --> 01:27:00,159 » Yeah. because I'd like to at least study 2300 01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:04,080 it before and have a knowledge of what 2301 01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:07,080 what we're dealing with 2302 01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:07,080 prior. 2303 01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:13,280 So, yeah, that might be an option to 2304 01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:15,840 look at the newer stuff coming up that's 2305 01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:19,199 for it is to look at what I don't even 2306 01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:22,480 know what they are, what the 2307 01:27:19,199 --> 01:27:25,600 » Personally I haven't seen what the 2308 01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:29,760 dealers do nowadays or not. Yeah, when 2309 01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:33,440 we got a greater um the last time 2310 01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:35,120 um it was one of those things that um 2311 01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:38,639 that was when there was that big slump 2312 01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:39,520 on on equipment coming in from. 2313 01:27:38,639 --> 01:27:45,199 » Yeah. 2314 01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:48,719 » And um it was one of those that you know 2315 01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:51,199 they gave you a certain price one week 2316 01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:53,679 and maybe two weeks later uh there was 2317 01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:54,639 an extra 10 or $15,000 attached to 2318 01:27:53,679 --> 01:27:56,800 » Yeah. 2319 01:27:54,639 --> 01:28:00,639 And that hap that happened in 2320 01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:03,040 incremental steps until each uh each 2321 01:28:00,639 --> 01:28:06,400 month they were making an you know an 2322 01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:07,679 extra almost $5,000 $10,000 on them 2323 01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,320 because there was a shortage of 2324 01:28:07,679 --> 01:28:10,960 equipment. 2325 01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:13,120 » Yeah. 2326 01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,600 » People selling were actually making 2327 01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:16,600 money 2328 01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,600 » Money. 2329 01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:26,199 And so the the dates the critical dates 2330 01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:26,199 that we're looking for 2331 01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:34,960 the for this budget process to have the 2332 01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:37,600 budget hearing. I think we have the NHMA 2333 01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:38,960 paper somewhere. I don't know if this is 2334 01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:41,520 burned into your head. 2335 01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:45,679 » Well, if we well if we back it up a bit. 2336 01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:49,199 I mean, you're you're certainly 2337 01:28:45,679 --> 01:28:53,280 going to wrap up these budget 2338 01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:57,600 discussions in November and December, 2339 01:28:53,280 --> 01:29:02,800 and you'll put together a proposed 2027 2340 01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:05,040 budget and send it off to the DRA with 2341 01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:07,600 the draft warrant articles for them to 2342 01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:09,440 review. You'll schedule your public 2343 01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:11,679 hearing on the budget sometime in 2344 01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:13,679 January. 2345 01:29:11,679 --> 01:29:17,679 And um 2346 01:29:13,679 --> 01:29:19,600 and then you'll head into town meeting 2347 01:29:17,679 --> 01:29:22,080 » With whatever 2348 01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:24,880 changes to the budget flow from the 2349 01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:26,880 public hearing and then town meeting 2350 01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,679 will 2351 01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,199 » Session. 2352 01:29:27,679 --> 01:29:33,520 » Yeah. 2353 01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:35,920 And then that budget that actually gets 2354 01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:38,800 approved goes on a different form goes 2355 01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:41,120 back to DRA as the difference between 2356 01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:43,440 the proposed budget that you showed them 2357 01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:46,159 in January and the actual budget that 2358 01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:48,000 flowed out of town meeting. 2359 01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:50,719 » And so whatever flows out of town 2360 01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:52,560 meeting, you have 30 days to send that 2361 01:29:50,719 --> 01:29:53,280 to them. 2362 01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:55,040 » When is that? 2363 01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:55,679 » So when should we do the proposed 2364 01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:57,920 budget? 2365 01:29:55,679 --> 01:30:02,080 » This is what I was just going to say. 2366 01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:04,000 When is the earliest this state dictates 2367 01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:06,320 time slots of when you can have your 2368 01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:09,440 budget hearing and when you can have 2369 01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:10,800 your deliberative hearing. 2370 01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:12,560 I should have had that. 2371 01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:16,120 » Well, that'll be in January sometime. 2372 01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:16,120 » The budget hearing. 2373 01:30:17,440 --> 01:30:22,639 » We want I would like to see it as early 2374 01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:26,639 as possible. 2375 01:30:22,639 --> 01:30:28,800 So I did send se Stephanie an email 2376 01:30:26,639 --> 01:30:32,080 inquiring and suggesting we get together 2377 01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:36,239 to see what meeting schedule and what 2378 01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:38,000 the plan is for FAC to I don't know what 2379 01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:39,840 they've done with department head so far 2380 01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:43,280 and I think they've had some meetings 2381 01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:46,639 but highway I think but 2382 01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:48,560 » I just happened to be talking to DPW I 2383 01:30:46,639 --> 01:30:52,159 think he said he wasn't meeting until 2384 01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:54,320 next week or something so it's coming 2385 01:30:52,159 --> 01:30:57,280 Yeah. And I talked with the fire chief. 2386 01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:59,600 He said they're they're willing to 2387 01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:01,520 working on it 2388 01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:03,440 just within the department. He didn't 2389 01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:05,440 mention FAC. 2390 01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:07,760 » So we we'll get a calendar and try to 2391 01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:11,360 get a sense of when they're when the FAC 2392 01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:13,360 is going to be done basically how 2393 01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:13,840 they're going to communicate with you 2394 01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:16,320 guys, 2395 01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:20,000 » Right? 2396 01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:22,560 I mean presumably um 2397 01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:25,040 I imagine the planning board will have a 2398 01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:26,800 hearing on the CIP. 2399 01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,840 » That's what I've got the the 2400 01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:29,760 spreadsheet. 2401 01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:32,320 » Okay. And do you know if there's a date 2402 01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:33,040 yet for that 2403 01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,880 » For 2404 01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:36,480 » For the planning board to hold a public 2405 01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:39,120 hearing on the capital improvement? 2406 01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:39,760 » I don't know. I don't know at what 2407 01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:41,280 point. 2408 01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:43,520 » Okay. 2409 01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:45,600 So we'll have to figure that out. It'll 2410 01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,880 probably be another 2411 01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:51,120 six weeks or so. 2412 01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:53,280 » Sure. That's fine. Plenty of time. 2413 01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:54,719 » But that'll help you understand from a 2414 01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:56,560 budgetary point of view what sort of 2415 01:31:54,719 --> 01:31:57,600 funds need to be contributed to the 2416 01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:00,159 capital plan in order. 2417 01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,639 » This is the capital reserve accounts. 2418 01:32:00,159 --> 01:32:01,440 » Yeah. 2419 01:32:00,639 --> 01:32:01,840 » Yeah. 2420 01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:05,120 » Right. 2421 01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:06,239 » Which we talked before that we'd like to 2422 01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:06,960 split them up. 2423 01:32:06,239 --> 01:32:10,239 » Right. 2424 01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:13,440 » Now, last year we had um emergency 2425 01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:16,639 services putting in that 2426 01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:18,800 Yeah. And I asked the chief if that was 2427 01:32:16,639 --> 01:32:21,520 in the works still and he said he would 2428 01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:25,360 look into it with EMD. 2429 01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:29,440 » Yeah. Because that that, you know, was a 2430 01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:33,120 hard one to try to push. I found it to 2431 01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:36,960 be the most 2432 01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:40,719 logical way to push 2433 01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:45,840 was to make use of that 2434 01:32:40,719 --> 01:32:48,880 cell phone into that tower to fill in 2435 01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:51,679 these huge blank spots for DPW, 2436 01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:53,040 ambulance, fire, police. And then 2437 01:32:51,679 --> 01:32:55,760 besides all that, they're going to 2438 01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:58,639 consolidate because I guess there's some 2439 01:32:55,760 --> 01:33:00,480 different um 2440 01:32:58,639 --> 01:33:02,560 companies being used. 2441 01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:04,480 » You know, if they do that, they're going 2442 01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:06,639 to need a whole lot of extra money on 2443 01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:09,840 radios and stuff because it's a 2444 01:33:06,639 --> 01:33:12,800 different frequency range. 2445 01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:15,679 » To me, it's just something that 2446 01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:19,600 » So, you have propagation issues with DPW 2447 01:33:15,679 --> 01:33:20,400 communications. Well, DPW, fire, police, 2448 01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:23,920 all of them 2449 01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:24,400 » They work on separate separate frequency 2450 01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:25,679 and 2451 01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:29,040 » But this would consolidate 2452 01:33:25,679 --> 01:33:30,960 » Dis and also dispatch, 2453 01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:33,360 » Right? But but are we saying that there 2454 01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,920 are there are coverage gaps? 2455 01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:34,400 » Oh yeah. 2456 01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:35,280 » Yes. 2457 01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:37,360 » Okay. 2458 01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:39,040 » Because of the terrain obviously. 2459 01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:42,719 » Yeah. because we were kind of surrounded 2460 01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:44,960 by hills and they we just I say just 2461 01:33:42,719 --> 01:33:46,480 within the last 5 years put that tower 2462 01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:49,280 up 2463 01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:52,000 » On top of one of the hills which will 2464 01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:53,040 eliminate a lot of the gaps but last 2465 01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,840 year 2466 01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:57,440 » Was a no no 2467 01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:59,280 » Year and so it 2468 01:33:57,440 --> 01:33:59,840 » It was killed 2469 01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:01,600 » Um 2470 01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:04,080 » You remember what it lost by 2471 01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:05,280 » I could look it should be right in there 2472 01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:08,320 » I don't 2473 01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:09,120 » In the yellow the hot spot This is This 2474 01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:11,120 is the 2475 01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:14,159 » Oh, no. Yeah. 2476 01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:15,360 » That's right. 2477 01:34:14,159 --> 01:34:15,920 » The final. 2478 01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:19,040 » Yeah. 2479 01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:20,480 » The number was 131,000, 2480 01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:21,280 » Right? But do you remember the votes 2481 01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:23,760 like 2482 01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:26,760 » How it came through? 2483 01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:26,760 » Yeah. 2484 01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:32,000 » I think 2485 01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:35,719 with Jason, there was a no no. 2486 01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:35,719 » That's all we saw, 2487 01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:43,600 » Right? I think there was a 2488 01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:45,199 remember what book it was. There was a 2489 01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,320 book that show 2490 01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:48,800 » What them results. 2491 01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:50,159 » What the results were. Maybe I got an 2492 01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:53,040 email. 2493 01:34:50,159 --> 01:34:56,320 » Yeah, it might be on the email. 2494 01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:58,400 » There was probably a total written 2495 01:34:56,320 --> 01:35:01,120 ballot that your 2496 01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:04,639 » Yeah, I think I'm talking talking to is 2497 01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:07,679 it Eric Maxwell? 2498 01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:08,719 That's the MD 2499 01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:10,480 director. 2500 01:35:08,719 --> 01:35:12,800 » Yeah. 2501 01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:16,639 » What about it? 2502 01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:20,880 » Oh, to get the the proper numbers in. 2503 01:35:16,639 --> 01:35:23,199 » Oh, yeah. I don't know if he would have 2504 01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:27,360 » Let's see. Attach their election results 2505 01:35:23,199 --> 01:35:31,920 from town and school. 2506 01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:35,440 And then there's a whole thing with um 2507 01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:37,679 » Dispatches because um 2508 01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:41,040 you know the fire department and police 2509 01:35:37,679 --> 01:35:44,440 department were at one point using 2510 01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:44,440 different dispatch 2511 01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:52,639 » But I'm hoping to see that service also. 2512 01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:57,159 » I am hoping to see that on the warrant 2513 01:35:52,639 --> 01:35:57,159 again this year. I think it's 2514 01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:02,800 worthwhile. 2515 01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:06,159 » Well, that that'll be helpful 2516 01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:08,159 then for me 2517 01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:09,679 to get a sense from you what warrant 2518 01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:14,080 articles 2519 01:36:09,679 --> 01:36:16,239 you want to revisit so that we can begin 2520 01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:18,320 to draft those and get them reviewed by 2521 01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:20,639 council anytime. 2522 01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:23,679 » But so you you guys have a lot more of 2523 01:36:20,639 --> 01:36:26,800 that history obviously. So 2524 01:36:23,679 --> 01:36:29,280 » Yeah, I mean Obviously budget, roads, 2525 01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,800 roads, road committee will typically 2526 01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:32,639 meet 2527 01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:34,800 » And determine what they want to ask the 2528 01:36:32,639 --> 01:36:37,840 taxpayers 2529 01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:40,159 and then the select and review it. But 2530 01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:43,440 you would be the leaison there. Capital 2531 01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:47,040 reserves would want to hear from D. 2532 01:36:43,440 --> 01:36:52,280 The email will be helpful 2533 01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:52,280 and then probably breaking it off 2534 01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:56,560 DPW which would be 2535 01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:02,600 the first two and then fire the next 2536 01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:02,600 three. 2537 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,400 So we'd have one, 2538 01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:08,480 two, 2539 01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,920 » And we have to look at what equipment's 2540 01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:15,800 the oldest. 2541 01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:15,800 » We'd have four capital reserve funds, 2542 01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:25,679 four separate articles. How I see it 2543 01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:25,679 highway and building is one. 2544 01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:31,280 Fire 2545 01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:33,440 Fire Department Capital Reserve, Fire 2546 01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:35,280 Protection Capital Reserve, and the Fire 2547 01:37:33,440 --> 01:37:40,639 Department Communications Capital 2548 01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:44,480 Reserve all one warrant one article. 2549 01:37:40,639 --> 01:37:45,280 » You put the the three on one. 2550 01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:46,400 » I would. 2551 01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,719 » Yeah. 2552 01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:49,679 » I mean, 2553 01:37:48,719 --> 01:37:50,159 category 2554 01:37:49,679 --> 01:37:52,480 » Just 2555 01:37:50,159 --> 01:37:54,719 » Yeah. 2556 01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:57,199 » Would you do parks and rec one. 2557 01:37:54,719 --> 01:37:58,719 » I'd combine them. 2558 01:37:57,199 --> 01:38:00,320 » You agree? 2559 01:37:58,719 --> 01:38:03,679 » I'm sorry. I was thinking something 2560 01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:05,280 else. Was that again, please? 2561 01:38:03,679 --> 01:38:07,199 » We're just saying which ones would be 2562 01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:09,119 combined. 2563 01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:11,679 » Would you keep the building maintenance 2564 01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:12,800 and as a separate? 2565 01:38:11,679 --> 01:38:14,000 » I wouldn't. 2566 01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:17,119 » You'd put it as 2567 01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:18,480 » I'd put it right with highway. 2568 01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:21,119 » Really? 2569 01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:23,199 » Well, they all fall under DPW. 2570 01:38:21,119 --> 01:38:25,760 » Yeah. 2571 01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:27,520 But I mean 2572 01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:29,360 you I just don't know the history but 2573 01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:31,600 the highway department expendable trust 2574 01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:32,320 fund would that be fundamentally for 2575 01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:33,360 equipment. 2576 01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:36,480 » Yeah. 2577 01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:38,960 » And the building might also just be for 2578 01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:42,159 buildings like 2579 01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:43,920 building two or building or 2580 01:38:42,159 --> 01:38:46,400 » So 2581 01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:48,159 um 2582 01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:51,199 subcategories 2583 01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:53,199 they are I mean the thought is is that 2584 01:38:51,199 --> 01:38:57,840 maybe So last year there was an attempt 2585 01:38:53,199 --> 01:39:00,239 to um amend these but it kind of got 2586 01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:02,880 sidetracked 2587 01:39:00,239 --> 01:39:05,040 with I don't know 2588 01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:07,199 different conversations the the 2589 01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:12,800 conversation got steered but it was an 2590 01:39:07,199 --> 01:39:13,520 attempt to break them up. Um and 2591 01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:15,199 I think 2592 01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:17,840 » I do I do like the idea of breaking them 2593 01:39:15,199 --> 01:39:19,679 out. That's a lot for people to get 2594 01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:21,280 their head around it. And if you just 2595 01:39:19,679 --> 01:39:23,440 don't like one or two, the only option 2596 01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:24,639 is to either make a motion to amend it 2597 01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:27,280 on the floor 2598 01:39:24,639 --> 01:39:28,960 » Or strike the whole thing, which case 2599 01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,760 » You'll lose the things you like as well 2600 01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:31,840 as 2601 01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:35,760 » This is what I that's what my thought 2602 01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:38,000 process was was rather than have eight 2603 01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:40,080 separate articles. 2604 01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:42,880 If somebody cares about it, if they say, 2605 01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:44,320 "Hey, they're not keeping up on the 2606 01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:47,040 building maintenance. We need to double 2607 01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:49,760 it." They can do that at deliberative 2608 01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:52,480 session. Of course, when it comes to the 2609 01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:54,239 March B, 2610 01:39:52,480 --> 01:39:56,400 » It would you would lose your highway 2611 01:39:54,239 --> 01:39:57,280 department. So that that one there is 2612 01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:58,960 questionable. Yeah. 2613 01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:01,679 » It also comes back to the how the 2614 01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:03,679 planning board presents the CIP plan to 2615 01:40:01,679 --> 01:40:04,719 underscore 2616 01:40:03,679 --> 01:40:05,679 » Um 2617 01:40:04,719 --> 01:40:10,480 » The need for these 2618 01:40:05,679 --> 01:40:12,880 » The need like on the maintenance I mean 2619 01:40:10,480 --> 01:40:17,440 and recreation. I mean I guess there's a 2620 01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:19,199 building down at the pool that's 2621 01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:19,679 » Yeah. And there's some work to be done 2622 01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:21,040 over there. 2623 01:40:19,679 --> 01:40:23,119 » Yeah, the filter house is full. 2624 01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:24,719 » And we still have to put the uh the 2625 01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:27,199 playground 2626 01:40:24,719 --> 01:40:30,800 uh in 2627 01:40:27,199 --> 01:40:34,080 that the one that um some some kids got 2628 01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:37,840 two kids got 2629 01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:40,480 hurt on it because a plastic bro had 2630 01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:41,119 broken or split at one point. 2631 01:40:40,480 --> 01:40:43,360 » Yeah. 2632 01:40:41,119 --> 01:40:47,600 » And u 2633 01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:49,440 caused two injuries on two people. 2634 01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:51,440 I would hate to see nine separate 2635 01:40:49,440 --> 01:40:52,880 articles. 2636 01:40:51,440 --> 01:40:55,040 » No, no, I don't think you need to. I 2637 01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:57,040 mean, I think you can do fine with You 2638 01:40:55,040 --> 01:40:57,760 probably could use four or five, though. 2639 01:40:57,040 --> 01:41:00,320 » There's five. 2640 01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:02,480 » I mean, your revaluation 2641 01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:03,679 » Is pretty easily described. I'm 2642 01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:05,040 presuming that 2643 01:41:03,679 --> 01:41:06,480 » You got to save up a little bit of money 2644 01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:08,320 so that every five years you can go 2645 01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:10,880 through the revaluation process. That's 2646 01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:12,800 the whole and um 2647 01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:15,360 » And you have to look at putting some 2648 01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:16,880 money aside for 2649 01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:19,040 for the fire trucks. 2650 01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:21,119 » Oh, absolutely. 2651 01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:24,119 » Or what about tying fire and police 2652 01:41:21,119 --> 01:41:24,119 together? 2653 01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:29,920 » Yeah, they won't go over. 2654 01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:30,560 » Well, that's like oil and water. 2655 01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:33,360 » Yeah. 2656 01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:38,000 » No, it's not quite. 2657 01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:39,679 I I suppose like fire might say, "Hey, 2658 01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:41,360 we don't want to lose our whole article 2659 01:41:39,679 --> 01:41:42,960 just because someone doesn't want the 2660 01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:44,960 $5,000 2661 01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:46,960 » Communic." So, there's them kind of 2662 01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:49,360 arguments to be made, but I think it'd 2663 01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:51,280 be taking a good good step if we had 2664 01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:53,040 five separate articles. 2665 01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:55,199 » I don't know if I want to go to nine 2666 01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:57,199 separate. 2667 01:41:55,199 --> 01:42:02,679 » Yeah. 2668 01:41:57,199 --> 01:42:02,679 Yeah, I know what you mean. But 2669 01:42:03,119 --> 01:42:09,280 if you combine the three fire 2670 01:42:07,199 --> 01:42:13,040 and um 2671 01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:14,560 obviously you could suffer through six 2672 01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:16,480 amendments 2673 01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:18,639 to lower the one, raise the other and 2674 01:42:16,480 --> 01:42:20,960 reduce the other in order to get an 2675 01:42:18,639 --> 01:42:23,679 aggregate total. 2676 01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:29,040 Um 2677 01:42:23,679 --> 01:42:32,159 but you almost the communications 2678 01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:34,400 shouldn't be on its own 2679 01:42:32,159 --> 01:42:36,800 or I I don't know, you know, it's it's 2680 01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:38,560 it's an unanswerable question about what 2681 01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:41,840 they all rise and fall. 2682 01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:45,600 » Communication should be separate 2683 01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:47,520 um simply because um if you end up 2684 01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:49,920 changing 2685 01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:53,040 one department that has a certain 2686 01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:57,360 frequency, you're going to have to uh 2687 01:42:53,040 --> 01:43:00,600 change, you know, all of the equipment 2688 01:42:57,360 --> 01:43:00,600 on there. 2689 01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:10,080 » Yeah. So, that's what we'll do. We'll 2690 01:43:06,480 --> 01:43:11,840 look at doing minimum product around 2691 01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:15,600 that. 2692 01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:19,280 » I think we've got most of the uh radios 2693 01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:23,679 um in there that there might be another 2694 01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:27,360 10 or 20 radios that uh 2695 01:43:23,679 --> 01:43:31,440 might more emergency services goes into 2696 01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:34,600 a different frequency also. 2697 01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:34,600 » I do. 2698 01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:39,880 » Yeah. I can't answer 2699 01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:47,040 on the other stuff. 2700 01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:49,280 » Yeah. 2701 01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:52,000 But then I think article 10 and 11 from 2702 01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:54,560 last year are going to they'll be 2703 01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:55,679 presented to us 2704 01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:57,920 by both. 2705 01:43:55,679 --> 01:44:01,119 » Did you did you see I think there's 2706 01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:03,679 another town that they ended up using 2707 01:44:01,119 --> 01:44:04,639 Peterbor for their 2708 01:44:03,679 --> 01:44:06,639 town range. 2709 01:44:04,639 --> 01:44:08,320 » Yeah. Ranges. 2710 01:44:06,639 --> 01:44:10,480 » I don't quite understand that 2711 01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:11,040 » They're using Peter as an ambulance 2712 01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:14,320 service. 2713 01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:18,320 » Scratch their service. 2714 01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:18,320 » That's the that's the thought. And 2715 01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:23,520 To me, it doesn't make any sense because 2716 01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:25,040 what they've done now is they've doubled 2717 01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:26,639 the response time and they've doubled 2718 01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:27,520 the travel distance to get an ambulance 2719 01:44:26,639 --> 01:44:28,800 to the house. 2720 01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:29,520 » Makes no sense. 2721 01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:30,800 » Yep. 2722 01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:33,119 » To me, 2723 01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:36,080 » You know, I your response time. 2724 01:44:33,119 --> 01:44:38,320 » They just finished building 2725 01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:41,280 I'm sorry. They just finished building a 2726 01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:43,600 new um firehouse, I believe, or police 2727 01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:44,239 station. Peter 2728 01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:45,119 Peter. 2729 01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:46,560 » Peter. Yeah. 2730 01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:50,480 » Yeah. 2731 01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:51,360 and that took quite a bit of money away 2732 01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:53,119 from them. 2733 01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:56,400 » But I think what happened I'm not sure 2734 01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:58,239 I'm just going off of opinion or reading 2735 01:44:56,400 --> 01:45:01,199 article about it or whatever, but they 2736 01:44:58,239 --> 01:45:05,199 said something about maybe that the 2737 01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:07,119 their ambulance service was um 2738 01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:09,760 proposing a pretty high increase in 2739 01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:10,320 budget. I think it came close to the 2740 01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:14,320 » Yeah, 2741 01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:16,320 » I'm sorry. Have a high interest in what? 2742 01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:22,159 Don't quote me on it. From what I read 2743 01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:25,679 on the article, I believe that ring is 2744 01:45:22,159 --> 01:45:28,480 ambulance service when they were they 2745 01:45:25,679 --> 01:45:29,440 were increasing or having increased 2746 01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:31,360 costs 2747 01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:34,239 » And it was getting close to where the 2748 01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:36,480 Peterborough would do it and so they 2749 01:45:34,239 --> 01:45:40,159 voted and or they're 2750 01:45:36,480 --> 01:45:40,800 » No, I I know Peter is pretty close to to 2751 01:45:40,159 --> 01:45:41,520 ranch. 2752 01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:43,920 » Yeah. 2753 01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:45,199 » Well, it's twice as many miles and takes 2754 01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,960 twice as long. 2755 01:45:45,199 --> 01:45:50,560 » Yeah, because it was from Jeffrey. 2756 01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:52,480 » They were literally right next door. 2757 01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:53,600 » Economically, it might make sense for a 2758 01:45:52,480 --> 01:45:55,280 year, 2759 01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:56,639 » But at the end of the day, no matter who 2760 01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:58,000 you are, 2761 01:45:56,639 --> 01:45:59,600 » It costs a million dollars a year to 2762 01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:00,080 staff an ambulance 247. 2763 01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:01,440 » Oh, yeah. 2764 01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:03,040 » The ambulance cost is the same. The 2765 01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:04,400 labor cost is the same. The retirement 2766 01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:07,679 cost is the same. 2767 01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:09,199 » And we're paying 162,000 2768 01:46:07,679 --> 01:46:10,000 » 65 2769 01:46:09,199 --> 01:46:12,239 165 2770 01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:14,239 » 165. Yeah. 2771 01:46:12,239 --> 01:46:16,560 For me, that's a hell of a deal. 2772 01:46:14,239 --> 01:46:17,199 » It is. You just can't. 2773 01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:20,960 » Yeah. 2774 01:46:17,199 --> 01:46:22,000 » Yeah. You You can't u shortcut the u 2775 01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:23,520 » The ambulance. 2776 01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:27,119 » Yeah. 2777 01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:29,360 » So, I guess department. 2778 01:46:27,119 --> 01:46:31,119 » So, yeah. Article 10 and 11, ambulance 2779 01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:32,320 and library, they'll come to us. 2780 01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:34,639 » Mhm. 2781 01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:37,360 » We don't need article 12. 2782 01:46:34,639 --> 01:46:40,320 » So, that just comes from SVA. Yes. 2783 01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:42,400 » They'll come library trustees. They'll 2784 01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:48,320 present as well. 2785 01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:52,719 So article 14 is that cell tower 2786 01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:59,159 » Which we need EMD to let us know what 2787 01:46:52,719 --> 01:46:59,159 they want if they revisited a price 2788 01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:03,960 15 is gone 2789 01:47:06,719 --> 01:47:13,119 16 chief hasn't said I would think by 2790 01:47:10,480 --> 01:47:15,920 the way the came in. We're not going to 2791 01:47:13,119 --> 01:47:17,280 put that on. That was the seventh 2792 01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:19,119 full-time officer. 2793 01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:22,920 » Oh, yeah. 2794 01:47:19,119 --> 01:47:22,920 » And the other ones are 2795 01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:28,080 » Yeah. Failed. 2796 01:47:26,480 --> 01:47:30,400 » Yeah. All the other ones are petitioned 2797 01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:33,119 warrant articles, so we have 2798 01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:34,320 » Nothing to do with them. 2799 01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:35,920 We'll see what the 2800 01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:37,760 » And do you have outside agencies that 2801 01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:39,440 you fund 2802 01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:41,840 » Like home healthare or 2803 01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:44,560 » Oh, that was a petition warnition. 2804 01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:45,520 » We had that discussion. I think you and 2805 01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:46,320 I went back and forth. 2806 01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:49,119 » Probably did. Yeah. 2807 01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:50,960 » Yeah. And I said, "Hey, that's we don't 2808 01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:54,719 we don't go around pointing guns at 2809 01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:57,280 people and saying donate to my cause." 2810 01:47:54,719 --> 01:47:58,800 » That's my thought on it. I'm told. 2811 01:47:57,280 --> 01:48:00,080 » But you could still get a petition to 2812 01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:01,520 warrant article. 2813 01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:03,199 » No doubt. 2814 01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:05,760 » No doubt. And I think if we don't 2815 01:48:03,199 --> 01:48:08,080 include it on this warrant, 2816 01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:08,639 um there will be 2817 01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:10,000 » Sure. 2818 01:48:08,639 --> 01:48:11,600 » Yeah. 2819 01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:13,840 » That's up to the board. If the board 2820 01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:15,520 says, "Hey, we want to include it." 2821 01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:17,520 » Um I wouldn't 2822 01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:19,600 » I haven't seen anything to convince me 2823 01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:20,960 to change my mind. But 2824 01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:23,840 » There is two other members and 2825 01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:27,040 » I've seen it go both ways and you know 2826 01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:29,760 the towns where where they 2827 01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:33,040 » Get a petition to warrant article you're 2828 01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:36,560 getting 15 25 people that want it versus 2829 01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:38,719 aborted and so it's potentially a better 2830 01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:39,600 reflection of the community values the 2831 01:48:38,719 --> 01:48:42,800 more people that 2832 01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:47,280 » And that's what happened last time 2833 01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:49,600 was that um he went on his little um 2834 01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:50,400 twoour sermon 2835 01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:52,960 and 2836 01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:55,119 » On the on the injustice of 2837 01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:56,320 » And 2838 01:48:55,119 --> 01:48:59,280 force donations. 2839 01:48:56,320 --> 01:49:01,440 » Then the people from the audience um 2840 01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:02,800 came over and shot him down. 2841 01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:04,159 » Beat him up. 2842 01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:06,400 » They didn't beat me up. I'm still 2843 01:49:04,159 --> 01:49:10,920 standing. 2844 01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:10,920 » And I think people don't really fully 2845 01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:16,639 » Don't go there. I don't want to go 2846 01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:18,960 through another two hour session. Wow. 2847 01:49:16,639 --> 01:49:21,840 We got I mean this is 2848 01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:23,440 » How about you give me like 45 minutes? 2849 01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:24,000 » About about 45 seconds. 2850 01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:24,400 » All right. 2851 01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:25,600 » Time out 2852 01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:27,520 » Right here. 2853 01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:29,280 » It's all right there. Lou, read it on 2854 01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:30,000 your own time. You'll see a reason for 2855 01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:32,639 not doing it. 2856 01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:33,760 » But you know what? How old is that? How 2857 01:49:32,639 --> 01:49:38,080 old is that piece of paper? 2858 01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:41,840 » Oh, I don't have time to do this. 2859 01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:44,159 » All right. Things have changed. 2860 01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:47,280 You do not want to be on that road with 2861 01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:49,280 me, Lou, because that is things 2862 01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:51,679 » If things have changed 2863 01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:54,960 » With that 2864 01:49:51,679 --> 01:49:58,159 » Kind of philosophy. 2865 01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:59,119 Things people have changed philosophy, 2866 01:49:58,159 --> 01:50:00,800 » But that philosophy 2867 01:49:59,119 --> 01:50:01,360 » That's the written word up there, 2868 01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:03,119 » Huh? 2869 01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:06,159 » That's the written word. 2870 01:50:03,119 --> 01:50:09,199 » That philosophy remains a foundation of 2871 01:50:06,159 --> 01:50:12,159 this country. In spite of half the 2872 01:50:09,199 --> 01:50:13,679 country disagreeing with it, it still is 2873 01:50:12,159 --> 01:50:18,080 a foundation of this country. 2874 01:50:13,679 --> 01:50:20,880 » And that half a country has the right to 2875 01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:22,719 » Go down this road. 2876 01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:25,600 » I I figured I could bring 2877 01:50:22,719 --> 01:50:28,880 » I knew I could lure him in somehow. Lou, 2878 01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:30,639 buckle up. Here we go. 2879 01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:33,040 » Anything else on the 2880 01:50:30,639 --> 01:50:34,000 » On the warrant? 2881 01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:34,800 » You budget? 2882 01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:35,920 » Yeah. 2883 01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:37,760 » Okay. 2884 01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:40,560 » That's helpful. the budget we want to 2885 01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:43,840 keep. I mean, you had said at another 2886 01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:44,239 meeting, no more than 10%, but 10%'s 2887 01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:46,480 huge. 2888 01:50:44,239 --> 01:50:48,480 » Oh, I I would never I don't 2889 01:50:46,480 --> 01:50:50,639 » Increase over our default. We have to 2890 01:50:48,480 --> 01:50:52,159 have less than 2891 01:50:50,639 --> 01:50:52,639 » Substantially less. 2892 01:50:52,159 --> 01:50:55,440 » Yeah. 2893 01:50:52,639 --> 01:50:56,000 » And how that comes 2894 01:50:55,440 --> 01:50:57,679 » If you 2895 01:50:56,000 --> 01:51:00,639 » Other pieces fall in place. 2896 01:50:57,679 --> 01:51:03,040 » Yeah. Well, how the people vote is also 2897 01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:05,199 going to be dependent on what the school 2898 01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:08,080 budget's going to be 2899 01:51:05,199 --> 01:51:09,920 » To some degree. 2900 01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:10,719 » It's inevitable and nothing that we can 2901 01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:11,920 do about it. 2902 01:51:10,719 --> 01:51:13,840 » That's true. 2903 01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:16,840 » Yeah. So, that's just some an 2904 01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:16,840 uncontrollable 2905 01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:22,639 » Very I mean I I think that that the 2906 01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:25,280 burden's going to be to balance the 2907 01:51:22,639 --> 01:51:28,960 energy utility 2908 01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:31,199 uh costs and insurance. others that are 2909 01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:34,960 taking to mitigate those increases to 2910 01:51:31,199 --> 01:51:37,199 stay within a single digit four to 5% 2911 01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:41,199 overall budget increase 2912 01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:43,199 » And kind of that pressure. Um 2913 01:51:41,199 --> 01:51:44,880 that would be where the magic is. 2914 01:51:43,199 --> 01:51:47,440 » There was one other thing that I brought 2915 01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:49,440 up and I don't know what these 2916 01:51:47,440 --> 01:51:51,760 it was. We're just voicing our opinions. 2917 01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:54,000 Maybe now would be a good time to see if 2918 01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:55,920 we could repeal 2919 01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:58,000 uh 2920 01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:59,599 the Warren article that forbids 2921 01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:03,360 selectmen 2922 01:51:59,599 --> 01:52:07,280 to give raises if it's a default budget. 2923 01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:08,800 I would like that repealed and have the 2924 01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:10,480 ability to manage. 2925 01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:11,199 » Now we finally agreed some with 2926 01:52:10,480 --> 01:52:11,760 something. 2927 01:52:11,199 --> 01:52:13,360 » Well, did 2928 01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:16,639 » So I don't know what the verbiage has to 2929 01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:19,040 be on that to allow the voters a chance 2930 01:52:16,639 --> 01:52:20,719 to revisit that. 2931 01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:22,400 Didn't Didn't you get a legal opinion 2932 01:52:20,719 --> 01:52:22,800 that was binding? 2933 01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:27,520 » Yeah, 2934 01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:28,159 » Alan has weighed in on it at every legal 2935 01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:30,880 opinion. 2936 01:52:28,159 --> 01:52:33,119 » No, one wrote it. 2937 01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:36,080 » Well, 2938 01:52:33,119 --> 01:52:37,920 he wrote the article and has weighed in 2939 01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:41,040 on every legal opinion that's been 2940 01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:45,040 offered up, which the first one said, 2941 01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:47,760 "You'd do well to take this as a um what 2942 01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:50,880 do you call that? Referendo." 2943 01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:52,719 And I and I look at just to briefly 2944 01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:57,040 speak on the petition warrant articles, 2945 01:52:52,719 --> 01:52:59,280 I do look at like um article 21 petition 2946 01:52:57,040 --> 01:53:01,760 strict operating budget increase 2947 01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:05,440 limitation policy. This thing was done 2948 01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:09,040 with the CPI. Um I see that very much as 2949 01:53:05,440 --> 01:53:11,920 a hey listen to us because it passed 2950 01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:15,280 overwhelmingly. 2951 01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:17,520 Some of the other ones 2952 01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:18,719 and 2953 01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:20,880 Not so much as 2954 01:53:18,719 --> 01:53:22,960 » Well you you you know there's nothing 2955 01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:25,040 wrong with trying to stay within the CPI 2956 01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:26,560 to the to the extent that you're 2957 01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:27,440 controlling the things measured by the 2958 01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:29,520 CPI. 2959 01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:32,320 » Yeah. And that's the thing 2960 01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:34,080 » That's the thing the CPI I guess it's 2961 01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:36,000 some measure 2962 01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:38,080 » But it's not necessarily applicable to 2963 01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:40,960 municipal 2964 01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:42,560 » Budgeting. 2965 01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:44,480 But I do take something like that and 2966 01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:47,440 that's where I say, "Yeah, we can't we 2967 01:53:44,480 --> 01:53:49,440 can't go 10%." 2968 01:53:47,440 --> 01:53:51,280 » How that comes to be? 2969 01:53:49,440 --> 01:53:53,119 » Well, yeah. I was 2970 01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:54,560 » I've never supported a double digit 2971 01:53:53,119 --> 01:53:55,280 increase anyway. My gosh. 2972 01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:58,080 » Yeah. 2973 01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:59,920 » That's not realistic. 2974 01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:02,560 » But I would I don't know what the legal 2975 01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:06,880 process would be for the verbiage. 2976 01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:12,080 That's something to look into to 2977 01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:15,080 repeal that warrant article from 2014. 2978 01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:15,080 » 2014. 2979 01:54:15,599 --> 01:54:20,400 » Oh, I have it written. I I wrote that 2980 01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:22,320 down on my very first year here. I was 2981 01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:23,040 like, what is this? 2982 01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:26,000 » What's that? 2983 01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:27,360 » Cuz I've been an employer and I know 2984 01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:29,760 that there's times where you have to 2985 01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:31,520 react. You want to keep your employees, 2986 01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:32,480 you better react. 2987 01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:38,040 » Mhm. 2988 01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:38,040 But this thing makes so that you 2989 01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:45,119 essentially can't react to sudden 2990 01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:47,520 changes. There's no raises. And it's 2991 01:54:45,119 --> 01:54:49,360 also interesting how there's no like 2992 01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:52,719 » Article 12 or 14, wasn't it? 2993 01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:55,599 » Incentive bonuses are very discouraged 2994 01:54:52,719 --> 01:54:58,159 in municipal. 2995 01:54:55,599 --> 01:55:02,000 I I think they worked really well for 2996 01:54:58,159 --> 01:55:03,840 me, but Mr. Do 2997 01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:07,199 » You're misinterpreting what that warn 2998 01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:09,440 article said in the intent what it did. 2999 01:55:07,199 --> 01:55:12,159 The warrant article did not say that the 3000 01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:16,080 selectment can't give raises. What it 3001 01:55:12,159 --> 01:55:19,440 says is that the budget has to include 3002 01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:22,960 those raises and approved by the voters. 3003 01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:25,520 We had a habit at the time of different 3004 01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:30,000 department heads and people coming in in 3005 01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:33,199 November negotiating a behind the scenes 3006 01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:34,960 private session raise 3007 01:55:33,199 --> 01:55:37,440 and then somehow gets tacked to the 3008 01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:39,840 default budget. Well, it's not part of 3009 01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:41,760 the default budget. So, all that warrant 3010 01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:46,480 article was doing is saying if you want 3011 01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:49,440 to give Jack a $10,000 raise, it should 3012 01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:52,560 be reflected in the budget before it's 3013 01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:54,159 approved. We don't get to give Just 3014 01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:57,360 picking on you, Jack. 3015 01:55:54,159 --> 01:56:00,320 » Give Jack a $10,000 raise here the first 3016 01:55:57,360 --> 01:56:02,960 or last day of September and then it 3017 01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:05,599 gets rolled into the default budget and 3018 01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:08,560 split in and nobody notices it. We had 3019 01:56:05,599 --> 01:56:11,440 to happen a number of times specifically 3020 01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:14,320 with the police department. 3021 01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:17,599 Chief walks in, I need $10,000 raise in 3022 01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:19,679 November. Lieutenant gets a $5,000 raise 3023 01:56:17,599 --> 01:56:23,360 and it gets rolled into default. That's 3024 01:56:19,679 --> 01:56:26,080 what created that warn article, not to 3025 01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:28,400 stop the selectment from giving raises. 3026 01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:30,480 But since you don't control the budget, 3027 01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:32,320 it's controlled by the voters. You 3028 01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:34,960 simply want voter approval that you're 3029 01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:38,639 going to give Jack $10,000 raise. 3030 01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:40,719 It's all there is to it. 3031 01:56:38,639 --> 01:56:41,360 » So it would be submitted when then, 3032 01:56:40,719 --> 01:56:42,800 » Huh? 3033 01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:43,760 » So what was the 3034 01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:46,480 » The verbiage on it? 3035 01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:47,599 » The verbiage to So you're saying to 3036 01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:49,679 » Let's see 3037 01:56:47,599 --> 01:56:52,719 » What we just said is that the board of 3038 01:56:49,679 --> 01:56:56,239 selectment cannot give create a new 3039 01:56:52,719 --> 01:56:57,760 position, give a raise or give bonuses, 3040 01:56:56,239 --> 01:56:59,840 things of that nature 3041 01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:02,320 » Without it being in the budget and 3042 01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:03,520 getting voter approval. 3043 01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:04,159 So would you list 3044 01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:06,960 » I believe 3045 01:57:04,159 --> 01:57:08,719 » So would you list 3046 01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:12,400 the 3047 01:57:08,719 --> 01:57:14,080 the proposed raises 3048 01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:17,520 » Proposed a raise but if it's not 3049 01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:18,320 approved by the voters then it's not a 3050 01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:20,800 raise. 3051 01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:23,840 » What we were doing prior to that 3052 01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:26,159 » Is giving a raise and then sticking it 3053 01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:28,320 into the default budget which means 3054 01:57:26,159 --> 01:57:30,880 whether the voters voted up or down they 3055 01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:32,719 still get the raise voted in. That's 3056 01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:34,080 what the warrant article was designed to 3057 01:57:32,719 --> 01:57:38,280 stop. 3058 01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:38,280 » It was also designed to stop 3059 01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:44,159 uh salary line from 3060 01:57:42,239 --> 01:57:47,520 some department heads would take a 3061 01:57:44,159 --> 01:57:48,960 salary line. I got $20,000 left over 3062 01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:52,400 which I don't understand how we should 3063 01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:55,520 have if we have a zero specific number 3064 01:57:52,400 --> 01:57:57,840 and then giving themselves a bonus with 3065 01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:59,280 leftover salary. we should have if we 3066 01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:01,119 should have a bonus line. I say this is 3067 01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:03,119 what we're giving it to. Be transparent 3068 01:58:01,119 --> 01:58:05,679 with the voters. Don't 3069 01:58:03,119 --> 01:58:07,599 » Don't pad the thing and then I'll grab 3070 01:58:05,679 --> 01:58:10,320 it at the end of the year. 3071 01:58:07,599 --> 01:58:12,080 » And we have a lot of that when we have 3072 01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:14,880 open positions like right now you have 3073 01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:18,400 how many open positions. So the salary 3074 01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:20,639 line exceeds what the actual should be. 3075 01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:21,760 » Give those people a right to take that 3076 01:58:20,639 --> 01:58:23,520 salary line 3077 01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:24,880 » And pass it out or take it from 3078 01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:26,480 themselves. Right. 3079 01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:28,560 » All we're saying is, you know, if you're 3080 01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:30,080 going to create a position, 3081 01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:30,560 » He and I probably agree on that. 3082 01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:34,880 » Yeah. 3083 01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:37,440 » But the other side of the legal argument 3084 01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:39,599 » Is what the voters approve is the bottom 3085 01:58:37,440 --> 01:58:41,440 line number. 3086 01:58:39,599 --> 01:58:42,960 » And what the voters do is they elect 3087 01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:44,960 select boards who are the executive 3088 01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:46,800 administrators of that, how to spend the 3089 01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:47,360 money of that bottom line, 3090 01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:48,639 » Right? 3091 01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:50,639 » Which is why you have the line of 3092 01:58:48,639 --> 01:58:52,400 authority to move stuff around because 3093 01:58:50,639 --> 01:58:53,280 things change. It's just an budget is 3094 01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:55,760 just an estimate. 3095 01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:57,199 » Yeah. You clearly can't exceed the 3096 01:58:55,760 --> 01:59:00,080 bottom line, but that's all they're 3097 01:58:57,199 --> 01:59:02,639 voting on really, that three or four 3098 01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:04,320 million. Nobody gets to vote. Not even 3099 01:59:02,639 --> 01:59:07,119 the budget committee gets to vote on, 3100 01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:10,000 oh, I want I don't want $35 postage, 3101 01:59:07,119 --> 01:59:11,840 $10,000 here. No, no, no. That's not 3102 01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:13,840 That's the job of the select to 3103 01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:16,320 rebalance that through the year as they 3104 01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:18,560 need to based on conditions. They're 3105 01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:20,560 just locked into that bottom line 3106 01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:23,440 number, big number. 3107 01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:24,880 » And and that's sometimes FAC's don't 3108 01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:26,639 quite appreciate. They're not the 3109 01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:27,520 executive. They're merely making a 3110 01:59:26,639 --> 01:59:27,760 recommendation. 3111 01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:30,000 » Yeah. 3112 01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:32,560 » And you guys have the ability to do line 3113 01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:34,159 item transfers when you need to. 3114 01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:35,360 » That and if they don't like that, then 3115 01:59:34,159 --> 01:59:37,679 you don't get elected. 3116 01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:39,199 » Yeah. 3117 01:59:37,679 --> 01:59:41,599 » He'll probably disagree with me on that 3118 01:59:39,199 --> 01:59:44,800 one. 3119 01:59:41,599 --> 01:59:46,639 » I agree that the the worst 3120 01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:48,639 » He said he agrees. 3121 01:59:46,639 --> 01:59:50,000 » Have the right to move money all over 3122 01:59:48,639 --> 01:59:51,760 the place. That that's what 3123 01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:53,760 » Well, here's here's the other thing. 3124 01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:54,960 there certain certain things that can't 3125 01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:57,760 » Here's here's the other thing you and 3126 01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:59,679 I'll probably agree on is there's what I 3127 01:59:57,760 --> 02:00:01,679 call kind of above the line money and 3128 01:59:59,679 --> 02:00:04,480 below the line money staff payroll that 3129 02:00:01,679 --> 02:00:06,560 sort of thing in my experience I've 3130 02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:08,480 never allowed the above the line money 3131 02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:11,040 like leftover payroll money to be used 3132 02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:13,199 for like envelopes and new vehicles and 3133 02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:16,400 other things there's a big wall there 3134 02:00:13,199 --> 02:00:18,400 right only you got these discretionary 3135 02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:19,920 expenses some non-discretionary but then 3136 02:00:18,400 --> 02:00:22,159 you have payroll benefits that sort of 3137 02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:23,679 thing if you have five vacancies 3138 02:00:22,159 --> 02:00:25,920 That doesn't mean you can have that 3139 02:00:23,679 --> 02:00:28,400 money drop down to the lower end of the 3140 02:00:25,920 --> 02:00:30,560 account and then buy new stuff, 3141 02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:33,360 » Right? That's only payroll and benefits 3142 02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:36,320 and then down below are the expendables 3143 02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:38,400 and and and y'all have line item 3144 02:00:36,320 --> 02:00:41,040 authority within those categories, 3145 02:00:38,400 --> 02:00:43,360 » But not so much breaking up through the 3146 02:00:41,040 --> 02:00:45,119 the top of the pile. To me, 3147 02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:49,199 » Not everybody committes like that, 3148 02:00:45,119 --> 02:00:52,400 » But I think that insulates 3149 02:00:49,199 --> 02:00:54,239 um it preserves the creation of surplus, 3150 02:00:52,400 --> 02:00:56,400 which is really important, particularly 3151 02:00:54,239 --> 02:00:56,880 for funding capital projects. 3152 02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:58,639 » Yeah. 3153 02:00:56,880 --> 02:01:01,599 » Money you've already collected, you 3154 02:00:58,639 --> 02:01:03,920 didn't need it by say vacancies or 3155 02:01:01,599 --> 02:01:05,440 insurance, whatever. 3156 02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:06,960 » And rather than collecting the money all 3157 02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:09,760 over again, you use the money you just 3158 02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:12,560 collected to fund the next year's 3159 02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:13,920 project or capital. It's a really clean 3160 02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:16,080 way to do it. 3161 02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:19,679 » But if you're burning through leftover 3162 02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:21,920 money because you think you can, then 3163 02:01:19,679 --> 02:01:23,599 » You're not running efficient. 3164 02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:25,119 » Well, you're you're acting a little 3165 02:01:23,599 --> 02:01:25,520 richer than maybe you should. 3166 02:01:25,119 --> 02:01:27,520 » Yeah. 3167 02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:29,199 » But you're the the problem is not really 3168 02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:31,280 what you do. The selectman could do what 3169 02:01:29,199 --> 02:01:33,199 they want with the leftover money. The 3170 02:01:31,280 --> 02:01:36,080 problem is that in the past we got into 3171 02:01:33,199 --> 02:01:38,320 the habit of rolling whatever we used it 3172 02:01:36,080 --> 02:01:41,040 for into a default 3173 02:01:38,320 --> 02:01:44,560 » Which is why over the last six years or 3174 02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:47,360 so the default is matching 3175 02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:49,440 the operating budget proposed almost 3176 02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:52,560 each year they're saying well I can go 3177 02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:54,719 for $4 million or 3.95 3178 02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:56,480 default when the default should be 3179 02:01:54,719 --> 02:01:59,040 significantly lower because we're 3180 02:01:56,480 --> 02:02:01,920 rolling these things in. If you want to 3181 02:01:59,040 --> 02:02:04,239 spend the money that make it part of the 3182 02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:05,760 default budget for next year. 3183 02:02:04,239 --> 02:02:08,080 » I've actually never seen a default 3184 02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:09,599 budget that's actually lower because 3185 02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:11,520 there are exceptions in the default 3186 02:02:09,599 --> 02:02:14,159 budget for contractual obligations and 3187 02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:15,760 things that are non-discretionary, but 3188 02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:17,040 it's usually a little bit high. 3189 02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:19,440 » There's a lot of things in our default 3190 02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:21,840 vure questionable. For example, all of 3191 02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:23,760 the equipment purchases that's not a 3192 02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:25,599 routine yeartoear year, 3193 02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:27,360 » But if it's in there, that's not a one 3194 02:02:25,599 --> 02:02:29,119 time expenditure. But again, the only 3195 02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:30,239 thing they're passing is the bottom line 3196 02:02:29,119 --> 02:02:33,520 number. 3197 02:02:30,239 --> 02:02:35,360 » So all that should be wiped out. 3198 02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:37,199 » If it's in that budget, that's the 3199 02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:39,760 number that carries down because the 3200 02:02:37,199 --> 02:02:40,239 default budget is a number at the bottom 3201 02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:42,480 that there 3202 02:02:40,239 --> 02:02:44,960 » The number what for the next year's 3203 02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:47,440 default. If you're going to purchase a 3204 02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:49,280 voting machine for $14,000, 3205 02:02:47,440 --> 02:02:50,480 that's a one time purchase. We don't 3206 02:02:49,280 --> 02:02:53,760 budget that every year. 3207 02:02:50,480 --> 02:02:58,239 » No. All right. I found it. 3208 02:02:53,760 --> 02:03:01,280 It was 2014 article 21. Are you in favor 3209 02:02:58,239 --> 02:03:04,239 of requiring voter approval for any 3210 02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:06,639 adjustment to town employee wages, 3211 02:03:04,239 --> 02:03:09,280 including generation of new positions, 3212 02:03:06,639 --> 02:03:12,280 all wage increases, and employee 3213 02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:12,280 bonuses, 3214 02:03:13,119 --> 02:03:16,400 » Which basically turns the voters into 3215 02:03:15,040 --> 02:03:19,960 the select board. 3216 02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:19,960 » That's how I readalation. 3217 02:03:20,719 --> 02:03:26,960 » That's how I read that. 3218 02:03:23,599 --> 02:03:30,000 Now he's arguing, yeah, the voters 3219 02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:32,320 approve it because it's a part of the 3220 02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:33,599 budget that's proposed. 3221 02:03:32,320 --> 02:03:35,599 That's how he's arguing. 3222 02:03:33,599 --> 02:03:38,800 » If it's in the proposed budget, then the 3223 02:03:35,599 --> 02:03:40,400 voters approve it. Whatever raises or 3224 02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:43,199 anything in that list that you want to 3225 02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:45,199 do is fine. What I'm saying is don't put 3226 02:03:43,199 --> 02:03:46,320 it into default where you're not giving 3227 02:03:45,199 --> 02:03:48,080 the voters a choice. 3228 02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:50,239 » Right? But that's not how this article 3229 02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:52,000 reads 3230 02:03:50,239 --> 02:03:53,840 in my opinion. That's why I'd like it 3231 02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:55,360 repealed 3232 02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:57,679 because when I read it when I first 3233 02:03:55,360 --> 02:04:00,080 became selectman and I believe somebody 3234 02:03:57,679 --> 02:04:03,119 pointed it out to me 3235 02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:05,920 um I read 3236 02:04:03,119 --> 02:04:09,360 the voter is being asked are you in 3237 02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:12,880 favor of requiring voter approval for 3238 02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:15,280 any adjustment to town employee wages to 3239 02:04:12,880 --> 02:04:18,800 include generation of new positions all 3240 02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:21,679 wage increases and employee bonuses. 3241 02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:24,000 So, what I read there is 3242 02:04:21,679 --> 02:04:26,639 if I want to give someone a raise, I 3243 02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:29,199 have to call a public hearing and ask 3244 02:04:26,639 --> 02:04:32,080 the voters's approval. 3245 02:04:29,199 --> 02:04:34,159 Can we give this person a raise? That's 3246 02:04:32,080 --> 02:04:36,320 what my first thing. Now, I've since 3247 02:04:34,159 --> 02:04:38,880 calmed down a little bit from that kind 3248 02:04:36,320 --> 02:04:43,920 of interpretation, but I still think it 3249 02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:47,719 should just be taken off books. 3250 02:04:43,920 --> 02:04:47,719 It's 10 years old. 3251 02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:55,119 Well, I can certainly see why uh your 3252 02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:56,639 attorney said that's not 3253 02:04:55,119 --> 02:04:59,840 » Non enforceable. 3254 02:04:56,639 --> 02:05:01,040 » Yeah, because it violates RSAs. 3255 02:04:59,840 --> 02:05:02,639 » Yeah, 3256 02:05:01,040 --> 02:05:05,440 » But 3257 02:05:02,639 --> 02:05:07,520 you're always throwing RSAs at us, Alan. 3258 02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:10,320 » I said, you're always throwing RSAs at 3259 02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:13,119 us, and now 3260 02:05:10,320 --> 02:05:14,320 » I don't throw simply point out what you 3261 02:05:13,119 --> 02:05:15,840 may have overlooked. 3262 02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:17,119 » Yeah. 3263 02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:18,320 » Yep. 3264 02:05:17,119 --> 02:05:20,159 you know, 3265 02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:22,239 » Just saying that's all 3266 02:05:20,159 --> 02:05:23,440 » That's it for my discussion on the 3267 02:05:22,239 --> 02:05:24,000 warrant. 3268 02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:26,159 » Okay. 3269 02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:26,639 » Two hours is not a very very short 3270 02:05:26,159 --> 02:05:29,360 meeting. 3271 02:05:26,639 --> 02:05:30,880 » No, I was going to say I I was just 3272 02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:32,159 about ready to 3273 02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:33,840 » Bring you back and see. 3274 02:05:32,159 --> 02:05:35,840 » Yeah, I'd like to wind up 3275 02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:38,239 » Trying to save you money here. 3276 02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:40,480 » Well, we can use that as well. 3277 02:05:38,239 --> 02:05:43,679 » John, I've got a question for you. Mhm. 3278 02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:47,119 The um did they start putting the heater 3279 02:05:43,679 --> 02:05:48,639 in or the the thing? 3280 02:05:47,119 --> 02:05:50,960 » I don't know if they've started, but I 3281 02:05:48,639 --> 02:05:53,119 seen that it's 3282 02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:55,280 paid for or approved. 3283 02:05:53,119 --> 02:05:56,880 » Okay. 3284 02:05:55,280 --> 02:05:57,760 » Because we're starting to get into 3285 02:05:56,880 --> 02:06:01,520 colder weather. 3286 02:05:57,760 --> 02:06:02,400 » Yeah. Yeah. Peter had it scheduled. So, 3287 02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:03,360 » Yeah. 3288 02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:06,800 » I was just curious. 3289 02:06:03,360 --> 02:06:09,520 » Yeah. I'll do a followup. I think the 3290 02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:14,159 synopsis of this is we would like all 3291 02:06:09,520 --> 02:06:14,719 budget work done before Christmas. 3292 02:06:14,159 --> 02:06:16,000 Nothing. 3293 02:06:14,719 --> 02:06:16,719 » I I would hope so. 3294 02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:18,480 » Yeah. 3295 02:06:16,719 --> 02:06:21,480 » Well, it wasn't the case last year. 3296 02:06:18,480 --> 02:06:21,480 » Okay. 3297 02:06:21,679 --> 02:06:24,159 » Early December 3298 02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:28,239 » Or earlier 3299 02:06:24,159 --> 02:06:29,760 » Gives us Yeah. month and a half. I think 3300 02:06:28,239 --> 02:06:30,079 we should be able to have 3301 02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:33,360 » Yeah. 3302 02:06:30,079 --> 02:06:36,960 » A pretty good idea. early early December 3303 02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:37,840 is when the next uh tax 3304 02:06:36,960 --> 02:06:40,960 um 3305 02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:43,840 » Tax bill 3306 02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:47,320 when the next tax bill comes out. 3307 02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:47,320 » Let's say November. 3308 02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:49,280 » Target November. 3309 02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:52,239 » I would say 3310 02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:54,719 » A month and a half. 3311 02:06:52,239 --> 02:06:56,320 » I hope it's realistic. 3312 02:06:54,719 --> 02:06:59,520 » Well, 3313 02:06:56,320 --> 02:07:01,920 I I'll I'll see what we hear from 3314 02:06:59,520 --> 02:07:04,320 Stephanie in terms of the schedule. 3315 02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:06,079 if they can actually 3316 02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:08,320 um get a quorum together and actually 3317 02:07:06,079 --> 02:07:09,599 meet. I I know they struggled with that 3318 02:07:08,320 --> 02:07:10,719 a little bit a few months ago. I don't 3319 02:07:09,599 --> 02:07:13,119 know what 3320 02:07:10,719 --> 02:07:15,520 » If they don't then I think we should 3321 02:07:13,119 --> 02:07:17,440 send an email to department heads. 3322 02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:19,520 » Just you'll have to do it or 3323 02:07:17,440 --> 02:07:21,360 » Just send your proposed budget 3324 02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:22,320 » Or come and present it 3325 02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:25,040 » What you'd like to see. 3326 02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:27,280 » Yeah. And that comes in with the you 3327 02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:31,280 know um 3328 02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:33,920 with the CPI sheet and everything. So, 3329 02:07:31,280 --> 02:07:37,360 um, and then there's another group of 3330 02:07:33,920 --> 02:07:41,280 people that'll go and interview the, uh, 3331 02:07:37,360 --> 02:07:43,040 um, you, uh, whoever's leading whatever 3332 02:07:41,280 --> 02:07:45,440 board, 3333 02:07:43,040 --> 02:07:47,199 you know, whatever job and try to get 3334 02:07:45,440 --> 02:07:49,920 the budget out of them. 3335 02:07:47,199 --> 02:07:52,239 » Yeah. But what Joe just said is we may 3336 02:07:49,920 --> 02:07:54,480 we don't know where that process is at, 3337 02:07:52,239 --> 02:07:56,639 if it's begun 3338 02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:59,280 or if it's going to, if it's not going. 3339 02:07:56,639 --> 02:08:00,239 Well, it's going to D is just she's on 3340 02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:01,920 the road right now. 3341 02:08:00,239 --> 02:08:03,360 » No, no, not the CIP. I'm talking 3342 02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:03,840 » I'm talking about the other department 3343 02:08:03,360 --> 02:08:05,040 heads. 3344 02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:06,000 » Other department heads 3345 02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:07,199 » If 3346 02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:10,000 » Right. So, 3347 02:08:07,199 --> 02:08:12,400 » If it I'm just saying what's as a board 3348 02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:17,880 let's request it. 3349 02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:17,880 » There is to keep that schedule because 3350 02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:26,480 » And then the last little thing is this. 3351 02:08:24,239 --> 02:08:26,800 » This gets assembled by somebody. Oh 3352 02:08:26,480 --> 02:08:29,760 yeah, 3353 02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:32,079 » Every year. 3354 02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:34,400 » I don't know if it's been delegated. No, 3355 02:08:32,079 --> 02:08:35,840 it has to 3356 02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:36,880 » We need to send something to the 3357 02:08:35,840 --> 02:08:37,840 printing company, 3358 02:08:36,880 --> 02:08:41,840 » Right? 3359 02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:45,119 » I I'm not sure how the delegation has 3360 02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:45,760 the delegating has 3361 02:08:45,119 --> 02:08:47,280 » Done in the past. 3362 02:08:45,760 --> 02:08:49,360 » In the past, 3363 02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:50,480 » Pretty much TA did it. 3364 02:08:49,360 --> 02:08:51,840 » There you go. 3365 02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:52,480 » Yeah. No, I figure that 3366 02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:54,239 » Oh, it's 3367 02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:55,520 » I have frequently run into communities 3368 02:08:54,239 --> 02:08:57,840 that I know nothing about and put 3369 02:08:55,520 --> 02:08:59,440 together their 3370 02:08:57,840 --> 02:09:00,719 » I talked a little bit with Evelyn about 3371 02:08:59,440 --> 02:09:01,920 » You got to do it, you know. 3372 02:09:00,719 --> 02:09:04,000 » Yeah, I mentioned it. 3373 02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:05,440 » Basically, I go through prior ones. I 3374 02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:07,599 reach out to the people that submitted 3375 02:09:05,440 --> 02:09:09,199 the contents and I say, 3376 02:09:07,599 --> 02:09:10,400 » I need your annual report. You got to 3377 02:09:09,199 --> 02:09:12,000 tell me what you've been doing for last 3378 02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:13,679 year. And then I connect with the 3379 02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:16,639 printer and say, "How do you want it?" 3380 02:09:13,679 --> 02:09:18,560 We we give it to the format they want 3381 02:09:16,639 --> 02:09:21,199 and yeah, review approved blah blah 3382 02:09:18,560 --> 02:09:22,880 blah. So, so I asked Evelyn how much 3383 02:09:21,199 --> 02:09:24,719 involvement she had when I was 3384 02:09:22,880 --> 02:09:28,400 scheduling this meeting and she said she 3385 02:09:24,719 --> 02:09:30,079 did a little bit, not very much, but she 3386 02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:35,119 was 3387 02:09:30,079 --> 02:09:36,560 slightly involved last year. She is. 3388 02:09:35,119 --> 02:09:40,079 » She might be able to 3389 02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:42,800 » Well, the your your one of the decisions 3390 02:09:40,079 --> 02:09:47,440 you guys need to make is 3391 02:09:42,800 --> 02:09:49,599 um if you want to dedicate the annual 3392 02:09:47,440 --> 02:09:51,520 report to anybody because usually that 3393 02:09:49,599 --> 02:09:53,360 seems to be a board decision, 3394 02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:54,719 » Right? 3395 02:09:53,360 --> 02:09:56,320 » Dedicate what? 3396 02:09:54,719 --> 02:09:57,360 » Dedicate the annual report. Sometimes 3397 02:09:56,320 --> 02:09:59,280 you like to recognize 3398 02:09:57,360 --> 02:10:01,040 » Oh, recognize 3399 02:09:59,280 --> 02:10:03,040 » And 3400 02:10:01,040 --> 02:10:04,639 you You can think about that. 3401 02:10:03,040 --> 02:10:08,079 » Yeah, 3402 02:10:04,639 --> 02:10:10,639 » Obviously. Um, 3403 02:10:08,079 --> 02:10:12,560 we've got a few months before that. 3404 02:10:10,639 --> 02:10:14,320 » Who does Mark work for? 3405 02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:17,119 » Mark who? 3406 02:10:14,320 --> 02:10:17,520 » Um, 3407 02:10:17,119 --> 02:10:18,719 is it? 3408 02:10:17,520 --> 02:10:19,599 » It's either GGB. 3409 02:10:18,719 --> 02:10:20,239 » Maintenance guy. 3410 02:10:19,599 --> 02:10:21,760 » Yeah, 3411 02:10:20,239 --> 02:10:22,480 » It's DPW, I guess. 3412 02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:23,280 » Yeah, GG. 3413 02:10:22,480 --> 02:10:24,000 » DPW. 3414 02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:29,119 » GGB. 3415 02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:31,920 » Okay. Because um there's a a ledge uh on 3416 02:10:29,119 --> 02:10:35,040 the stairwell going down. 3417 02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:40,560 And um 3418 02:10:35,040 --> 02:10:42,960 Mary u her her foot uh because it's a 3419 02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:47,520 it's alleged there's just a gap in there 3420 02:10:42,960 --> 02:10:50,400 and her um her foot went in there and 3421 02:10:47,520 --> 02:10:52,719 she ended up tumbling down 3422 02:10:50,400 --> 02:10:54,560 eight steps 3423 02:10:52,719 --> 02:10:55,360 » Going to the basement here. 3424 02:10:54,560 --> 02:10:56,239 » There's a gap. 3425 02:10:55,360 --> 02:10:58,560 » Yeah. 3426 02:10:56,239 --> 02:11:01,199 » So we need to have somebody look at that 3427 02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:01,440 and fix it. Oh, it was this stairwell. 3428 02:11:01,199 --> 02:11:03,280 » Yeah. 3429 02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:04,800 » Oh, I knew she had to tumble down the 3430 02:11:03,280 --> 02:11:06,480 stairs. I thought it was over at the PD. 3431 02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:08,719 » She didn't say a word. 3432 02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:11,119 » No, the PD doesn't have stairs. 3433 02:11:08,719 --> 02:11:12,880 » She was She was back to work. 3434 02:11:11,119 --> 02:11:14,960 » Okay, I'm glad to hear that. 3435 02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:16,480 » Sprained her wrist and 3436 02:11:14,960 --> 02:11:18,400 » Yeah, she sprained her wrist. 3437 02:11:16,480 --> 02:11:20,960 » Yeah, she didn't say a word. I mean, I 3438 02:11:18,400 --> 02:11:22,480 only briefly passed by. 3439 02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:24,719 » I just want to make sure somebody looks 3440 02:11:22,480 --> 02:11:26,239 at it and, you know, figures out what 3441 02:11:24,719 --> 02:11:30,560 it's going to take to fix it. 3442 02:11:26,239 --> 02:11:30,560 » Yeah. Good. 3443 02:11:30,960 --> 02:11:36,480 And then uh I think that's all we got. 3444 02:11:34,159 --> 02:11:40,000 Joe, anything. 3445 02:11:36,480 --> 02:11:41,920 » Do we got to do the um the tree cutting 3446 02:11:40,000 --> 02:11:42,960 hearing for? 3447 02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:45,119 » Yes. I I 3448 02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:45,760 » I'm afraid I 3449 02:11:45,119 --> 02:11:48,239 scenic. 3450 02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:50,560 » Forgot to follow up on that. So I have 3451 02:11:48,239 --> 02:11:51,920 that back on my list. So that's some 3452 02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:52,960 What's the street again? 3453 02:11:51,920 --> 02:11:55,280 » Timber top. 3454 02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:58,320 » Timbertop. 3455 02:11:55,280 --> 02:11:59,840 is to be able to go out and flag the 3456 02:11:58,320 --> 02:12:00,719 trees that need to come out. 3457 02:11:59,840 --> 02:12:01,760 » So that's a scenic road. 3458 02:12:00,719 --> 02:12:04,320 » Has it been done? 3459 02:12:01,760 --> 02:12:05,119 » No, I don't. So that's a scenic road. So 3460 02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:06,880 they 3461 02:12:05,119 --> 02:12:09,360 » A portion of it. It's not the whole 3462 02:12:06,880 --> 02:12:12,159 road. It's only a portion. 3463 02:12:09,360 --> 02:12:13,760 » We'll schedule a public hearing to 3464 02:12:12,159 --> 02:12:15,679 discuss the trees and the wise and 3465 02:12:13,760 --> 02:12:17,920 wherefores and why certain trees need to 3466 02:12:15,679 --> 02:12:19,360 be removed. 3467 02:12:17,920 --> 02:12:21,760 Well, in that public hearing, you get to 3468 02:12:19,360 --> 02:12:23,679 make a decision as to whether you're 3469 02:12:21,760 --> 02:12:27,079 okay with removing the trees along this 3470 02:12:23,679 --> 02:12:27,079 scenic road. 3471 02:12:28,400 --> 02:12:33,440 » Um, and then the only other thing I had 3472 02:12:30,800 --> 02:12:35,199 was 3473 02:12:33,440 --> 02:12:37,920 um 3474 02:12:35,199 --> 02:12:39,360 wondering if we could put I don't know 3475 02:12:37,920 --> 02:12:43,360 if they will or won't, but somebody 3476 02:12:39,360 --> 02:12:44,400 reach out to the roads department. 3477 02:12:43,360 --> 02:12:46,719 » I'm sorry that what 3478 02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:47,119 » To the road department. road committee. 3479 02:12:46,719 --> 02:12:48,000 » Yeah, 3480 02:12:47,119 --> 02:12:51,199 » Road committee. 3481 02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:53,760 » I'd like to, this is just thrown out to 3482 02:12:51,199 --> 02:12:56,320 it next week or next meeting, but 3483 02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:59,440 » I'd like to kind of go over some 3484 02:12:56,320 --> 02:13:01,199 possible soil stabilizations under the 3485 02:12:59,440 --> 02:13:03,679 roads. 3486 02:13:01,199 --> 02:13:04,719 » So, as as DPW liaison, 3487 02:13:03,679 --> 02:13:07,679 » Yeah, 3488 02:13:04,719 --> 02:13:08,239 » You are our liaison to the road 3489 02:13:07,679 --> 02:13:09,040 committee. 3490 02:13:08,239 --> 02:13:10,960 » Okay. 3491 02:13:09,040 --> 02:13:12,480 » So, I'm not sure who's chairman. I think 3492 02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:12,880 Marcus Radiola, 3493 02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:14,639 » Okay, 3494 02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:16,000 » Is the chairman of that committee. 3495 02:13:14,639 --> 02:13:17,760 » Mhm. 3496 02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:19,440 and you could reach out to him and say, 3497 02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:20,560 "Hey, when can we get a meeting?" 3498 02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:22,800 Because the other thing, it would be 3499 02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:24,639 good for the committee to meet and just 3500 02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:26,239 say, "Hey, we're going to shoot for the 3501 02:13:24,639 --> 02:13:27,679 same amount next year or we're going to 3502 02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:28,159 double it or whatever." 3503 02:13:27,679 --> 02:13:29,679 » Right. 3504 02:13:28,159 --> 02:13:30,960 » Joey, you mean like a a deep 3505 02:13:29,679 --> 02:13:33,840 reconstruction? 3506 02:13:30,960 --> 02:13:36,639 » I'm just saying. Yeah. I'm I'm been, you 3507 02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:39,360 know, as I start getting into figuring 3508 02:13:36,639 --> 02:13:42,639 out roads and different stuff, there's 3509 02:13:39,360 --> 02:13:45,280 there's other cities or other towns that 3510 02:13:42,639 --> 02:13:46,960 especially if you have 3511 02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:51,599 um 3512 02:13:46,960 --> 02:13:54,000 wetter conditions and clay type soils 3513 02:13:51,599 --> 02:13:56,000 there. They can they can when they take 3514 02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:58,400 a road top off, 3515 02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:59,040 » They can grind that asphalt. 3516 02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:00,800 » Oh, yeah. 3517 02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:01,440 » And the clay 3518 02:14:00,800 --> 02:14:04,320 » Yeah. Yeah. 3519 02:14:01,440 --> 02:14:06,560 » And mix in uh it's it's called soil 3520 02:14:04,320 --> 02:14:09,119 stabilization. Sure. But they can mix in 3521 02:14:06,560 --> 02:14:11,440 a certain percentage of cement, Portland 3522 02:14:09,119 --> 02:14:14,079 cement. There's an ingredient, you know, 3523 02:14:11,440 --> 02:14:16,800 they'll say, "Hey, you know, this road 3524 02:14:14,079 --> 02:14:17,920 needs so many pounds per whatever square 3525 02:14:16,800 --> 02:14:19,920 feet or whatever, 3526 02:14:17,920 --> 02:14:20,560 » But the machine will actually mix it in. 3527 02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:23,119 » Oh, no. 3528 02:14:20,560 --> 02:14:24,560 » And it'll make that base really really 3529 02:14:23,119 --> 02:14:27,119 » Oh, I heard no. 3530 02:14:24,560 --> 02:14:29,280 » And I was 3531 02:14:27,119 --> 02:14:31,920 just looking at our roads and looking at 3532 02:14:29,280 --> 02:14:34,400 like some of the 3533 02:14:31,920 --> 02:14:36,880 some of the roads that you would think 3534 02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:39,440 were never paved or not paved in the 3535 02:14:36,880 --> 02:14:41,040 last how many years. They look like they 3536 02:14:39,440 --> 02:14:42,560 haven't 3537 02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:44,960 like you wouldn't believe they're only 3538 02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:46,239 within the last 10 years where it's 3539 02:14:44,960 --> 02:14:47,840 paved. 3540 02:14:46,239 --> 02:14:50,480 » And I'm not saying this is a solution, 3541 02:14:47,840 --> 02:14:53,440 but I'm just saying that I'd like to 3542 02:14:50,480 --> 02:14:54,400 » See if there's 3543 02:14:53,440 --> 02:14:56,800 other ways to 3544 02:14:54,400 --> 02:14:58,320 » Do Do you know if we have a a road 3545 02:14:56,800 --> 02:14:58,960 condition survey? 3546 02:14:58,320 --> 02:15:00,239 » We do. 3547 02:14:58,960 --> 02:15:02,560 » Yeah, we do. We have all that 3548 02:15:00,239 --> 02:15:04,320 » We get one from uh 3549 02:15:02,560 --> 02:15:05,360 » From the 3550 02:15:04,320 --> 02:15:07,119 » And and 3551 02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:10,320 » Here's here's another thing 3552 02:15:07,119 --> 02:15:12,880 » We have but does that identify the need 3553 02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:13,440 for a road bit reconstruction? 3554 02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:15,679 » Yes. 3555 02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:17,520 » I can tell you what I came across in the 3556 02:15:15,679 --> 02:15:22,320 selectman's office and I could show you 3557 02:15:17,520 --> 02:15:24,880 after the meeting is core samples 3558 02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:27,119 » Down into the subgrade 3559 02:15:24,880 --> 02:15:29,440 of a lot of roads in town. 3560 02:15:27,119 --> 02:15:31,679 » I'm sure a lot of these roads are just 3561 02:15:29,440 --> 02:15:34,880 old trees laid out for who knows what 3562 02:15:31,679 --> 02:15:36,560 » For sure 120 years ago and 3563 02:15:34,880 --> 02:15:38,560 » The road beds are just really old. 3564 02:15:36,560 --> 02:15:40,719 » I was on the road committee for a year 3565 02:15:38,560 --> 02:15:44,079 and a half or something. 3566 02:15:40,719 --> 02:15:47,119 » Um that as a procedure when we're 3567 02:15:44,079 --> 02:15:48,480 reconstructing a road is to mix in 3568 02:15:47,119 --> 02:15:48,960 » With the subgrade, 3569 02:15:48,480 --> 02:15:51,520 » Right? 3570 02:15:48,960 --> 02:15:54,239 » I don't know how far down they went. 3571 02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:56,239 » And I don't think I ever heard of adding 3572 02:15:54,239 --> 02:15:59,520 Portland cement. So it might be 3573 02:15:56,239 --> 02:16:00,480 something maybe even for like more 3574 02:15:59,520 --> 02:16:03,360 traveled. 3575 02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:06,560 » Even even a manu even a manufactured 3576 02:16:03,360 --> 02:16:06,960 gravel sometimes is better. Sloppy it's 3577 02:16:06,560 --> 02:16:08,239 chip 3578 02:16:06,960 --> 02:16:10,079 » Clay whatever 3579 02:16:08,239 --> 02:16:13,679 » They can use chip. 3580 02:16:10,079 --> 02:16:17,040 » Yeah. It's a very thin flat type thing 3581 02:16:13,679 --> 02:16:20,320 and it just um settles it in and then 3582 02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:23,599 that they put the um either some kind of 3583 02:16:20,320 --> 02:16:26,800 compound or or 3584 02:16:23,599 --> 02:16:28,480 more another layer of 3585 02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:30,800 of 3586 02:16:28,480 --> 02:16:33,599 black top. 3587 02:16:30,800 --> 02:16:34,639 » Yeah, I'm talking below all that is what 3588 02:16:33,599 --> 02:16:36,399 I'm saying is that 3589 02:16:34,639 --> 02:16:40,160 » You're talking the subgroup. 3590 02:16:36,399 --> 02:16:41,040 » Yeah, the road are only about 3 to four 3591 02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:41,760 inches thick, 3592 02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:45,920 » Right? 3593 02:16:41,760 --> 02:16:46,240 » Yeah. I just know there's a lot of tech 3594 02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:50,000 out there. 3595 02:16:46,240 --> 02:16:53,760 » Yeah. What happens though is that um you 3596 02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:54,479 you get the the swelling o over the 3597 02:16:53,760 --> 02:16:55,359 winter time. 3598 02:16:54,479 --> 02:16:57,519 » Mhm. 3599 02:16:55,359 --> 02:16:59,200 » And because the stone work underneath 3600 02:16:57,519 --> 02:16:59,920 there, the base starts, you know, 3601 02:16:59,200 --> 02:17:00,399 rising, 3602 02:16:59,920 --> 02:17:02,960 » Right? 3603 02:17:00,399 --> 02:17:05,120 » And that starts tearing up the uh the 3604 02:17:02,960 --> 02:17:08,080 top layers of the black top. 3605 02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:10,000 » Yeah. 3606 02:17:08,080 --> 02:17:12,639 So, the neat thing about that I do know 3607 02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:15,679 about soil stabilization is there's 3608 02:17:12,639 --> 02:17:18,160 different there's different flex that 3609 02:17:15,679 --> 02:17:19,519 you can like I said it's like baking a 3610 02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:20,319 cake. You can 3611 02:17:19,519 --> 02:17:22,800 » You can engineer 3612 02:17:20,319 --> 02:17:25,920 » You can engineer it to match kind of the 3613 02:17:22,800 --> 02:17:29,200 soil conditions, what soil it is, the 3614 02:17:25,920 --> 02:17:31,679 moisture conditions that it receives, 3615 02:17:29,200 --> 02:17:36,399 » Whether you want it to be permeable or 3616 02:17:31,679 --> 02:17:38,000 be able to go through or not. And 3617 02:17:36,399 --> 02:17:40,559 you 3618 02:17:38,000 --> 02:17:42,960 I just know that our subbases is your 3619 02:17:40,559 --> 02:17:43,359 asphalt is only as good as your subbase, 3620 02:17:42,960 --> 02:17:45,439 » Right? 3621 02:17:43,359 --> 02:17:47,040 » And so the better you make that 3622 02:17:45,439 --> 02:17:50,080 » There's a Yeah, there's a base layer 3623 02:17:47,040 --> 02:17:51,040 typically of 2 in then another three 3624 02:17:50,080 --> 02:17:51,359 inches total. 3625 02:17:51,040 --> 02:17:53,840 » Yeah. 3626 02:17:51,359 --> 02:17:55,920 » For a top layer and whatever to 3627 02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:59,519 stabilize it. 3628 02:17:55,920 --> 02:18:02,080 » Yeah. So I I I will look into that then. 3629 02:17:59,519 --> 02:18:04,319 So, but that is good because it ties 3630 02:18:02,080 --> 02:18:06,639 back to the budget and the CIP in terms 3631 02:18:04,319 --> 02:18:08,160 of what the road budget is. Your cost 3632 02:18:06,639 --> 02:18:08,559 per mile is going to be different. 3633 02:18:08,160 --> 02:18:10,160 » Yeah. 3634 02:18:08,559 --> 02:18:14,319 » Yeah. 3635 02:18:10,160 --> 02:18:16,319 » It'd be neat to be able to for next year 3636 02:18:14,319 --> 02:18:21,120 » If all this went through say, hey, let's 3637 02:18:16,319 --> 02:18:22,960 do a quarter mile or not even let's do 3638 02:18:21,120 --> 02:18:24,880 » And then just see what it does, you 3639 02:18:22,960 --> 02:18:26,399 know, if not everybody's on board with 3640 02:18:24,880 --> 02:18:28,880 it or no whatever. 3641 02:18:26,399 --> 02:18:31,120 » Well, it's a really good committee. that 3642 02:18:28,880 --> 02:18:32,639 road committee. We have some guys who do 3643 02:18:31,120 --> 02:18:35,040 site work and 3644 02:18:32,639 --> 02:18:35,519 » And have um civil work, 3645 02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:37,200 » Right? 3646 02:18:35,519 --> 02:18:37,760 » So that I think 3647 02:18:37,200 --> 02:18:39,120 » Might be 3648 02:18:37,760 --> 02:18:40,880 » I look forward to hearing what they 3649 02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:43,760 have. 3650 02:18:40,880 --> 02:18:47,120 » Yeah. The other thing to look at too is 3651 02:18:43,760 --> 02:18:49,359 um like for the post office is since 3652 02:18:47,120 --> 02:18:51,200 they're putting black top in, they have 3653 02:18:49,359 --> 02:18:54,399 thing that they can go ahead and just 3654 02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:58,319 put in and have an apron in front of the 3655 02:18:54,399 --> 02:19:02,960 the um uh post office box. And that 3656 02:18:58,319 --> 02:19:08,800 allows um them to the the uh trucks to 3657 02:19:02,960 --> 02:19:11,840 go off the road and not clog up traffic. 3658 02:19:08,800 --> 02:19:14,559 And it's not that The only thing they do 3659 02:19:11,840 --> 02:19:17,559 is charge whatever the material cost 3660 02:19:14,559 --> 02:19:17,559 was. 3661 02:19:18,479 --> 02:19:21,599 » You mean the pull off individual 3662 02:19:20,479 --> 02:19:25,760 meal? 3663 02:19:21,599 --> 02:19:27,840 » I think in my mind it it's a substantial 3664 02:19:25,760 --> 02:19:29,840 cost because you're not only paying for 3665 02:19:27,840 --> 02:19:32,080 it to be done once, you're paying for it 3666 02:19:29,840 --> 02:19:34,719 forever now. Because as soon as you 3667 02:19:32,080 --> 02:19:37,920 don't do that, Mr. Doyle would be like, 3668 02:19:34,719 --> 02:19:39,679 "Hey, where's my apron?" 3669 02:19:37,920 --> 02:19:41,200 Sorry. 3670 02:19:39,679 --> 02:19:41,840 Why are you picking on him? I don't 3671 02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:44,800 know. 3672 02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:45,519 » He didn't appreciate it, but that's how 3673 02:19:44,800 --> 02:19:47,040 it would go. 3674 02:19:45,519 --> 02:19:49,760 » Hey, where's my 3675 02:19:47,040 --> 02:19:54,120 » Yeah, let's let's 3676 02:19:49,760 --> 02:19:54,120 » I think it's worth my extra $10,000. 3677 02:19:56,240 --> 02:20:03,200 » All right. Any other business? 3678 02:20:00,319 --> 02:20:05,120 » Go home. 3679 02:20:03,200 --> 02:20:06,160 » Make a motion to adjourn. 3680 02:20:05,120 --> 02:20:08,960 » I second that. 3681 02:20:06,160 --> 02:20:08,960 » All in favor?