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Thank you. Good evening everyone. This

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is a regular meeting of council Monday,

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May 26, 2025 with a call to order at

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7:00

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precisely. And I look to councelor Stock

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for the uh territorial acknowledgement.

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Thank you, chair. Uh we acknowledge uh

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that with respect the Wasanic people on

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whose traditional territory the district

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stands today and the Wasanic people

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whose territorial

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uh and historical relationships I should

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say with this territory continues to

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this day. Thank you very much. Thank you

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chair. Thank you. Thank you. We'll move

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on to item three which is introduction

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of late items. Are there any late

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items? Before we through the chair,

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before we go into the late items, should

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I move the agenda issue? No, the agenda

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is after late it. Okay. Um, yes, there

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are two late items 8 AI and 8 A2. So

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that instead of three

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um except sorry, what about the items

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that you wish to move that's coming the

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agenda.

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So I've changed the order of uh what's

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in the late items. So late item number 8

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AI remains as is. The second item item

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number 8 A3 should become 8 A2.

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Okay.

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And 8 A1 V.

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Oh no. Which one is 1 B? This is all one

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A.

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So you move 8 A1 remains as it is. Yes.

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Which is the variance report. Yes. And 8

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A 3 in here moves to 8

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A2 8

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A2 and the agenda items move around. Now

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what about the OCP? That's coming that

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will become B which is where it's two

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rather than

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three. Can I do the agenda report moving

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of it because that will clarify which

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items are moving here because there is a

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it says 8A3 which should actually be

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8A2.

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Okay. We we've got a late item which is

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a move was a movement of three items on

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the current agenda.

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Okay.

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Um two in the report.

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Are there three reports?

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Hold on.

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Uh yeah, sure. Uh it's through the

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mayor. So I my understanding is there's

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two late items and there are items of

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correspondence pertaining to two agenda

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items and so the the the second item was

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in your package was numbered incorrectly

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item number 8 a three it was numbered

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and it would then be number two at this

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point because council is just simply

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dealing with the addition of late items.

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Yeah. Is that okay? Yes. Okay staff. You

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got that? Okay. Thank you.

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And uh just just a confirmation on

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uh late items 8A an inclusion to item

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8A1 and item 8

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A3. Um there will be a separate motion

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when we get to those particular agenda

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items. Okay. Thank you. So I look for

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approval of the agend agenda with late

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items included stock. Sorry chair. Now I

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would like to move some items from the

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agenda.

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Okay, let's go back. Okay, so u if we

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can move item for with regards to the

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staff report item 8 um 8 A1 remains as

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is. That's the variance application. The

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OCP which is currently 8 A 6 moves to 8

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A2. Then the third item uh the foot hub

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which is currently numbered as 8

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A54 moves to 8

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A3. Um the current item of ECOM 911

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which is labeled as 8 A5 moves to 8 A4.

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um of the fireworks which is currently

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lab labeled as 8 A3 moves to 8

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A5 and the final final one the

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loneliness survey which is 8 A2 moves to

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okay that's what I was trying to

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get sorry

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council oh council

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Clint Sorry.

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Yes. Thank you. If you can hear me, I'd

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also like to make an agenda item uh

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change from item

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11B. Move to item 10 10 C.

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Okay. Then obviously before we can uh

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move forward on those we'd have to do a

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motion. Perhaps if I split the motion

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into two uh we do the motion that's

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based on what councelor Sanjief has

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required and again I won't get councelor

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Sanjief to to repeat them but staff has

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got them. Thank you very much. So I look

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for a motion to move those items only.

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Councelor Stock seconded councelor

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Mconi. Those in favor of moving those

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items

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only. Uh motion carries. Sorry. Um

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Council Clint, is that a yay or a nay?

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um that's in support of the motion.

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Thank you very much. So it carried

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unanimously. Now we move on to the

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second motion which is a motion with

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regard to councelor mccllintok uh with

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regard to the the movement and again

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staff has got the uh moving the

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11 B.

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Do we have a motion?

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Well, that was my motion. Uh, chair

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moving it from 11.

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Okay. Thank you. Do we have a second?

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Okay. Second for discussion. Um, I'm not

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sure we want any discussion, but is

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there any discussion? Council Clint,

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would you wish to motivate for it? Well,

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I can certainly support it. Um I don't

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know why the uh why council would not uh

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support moving it um into the

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correspondence so this council can have

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a wholesome discussion

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um with the correspondence. It's uh very

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valid. It's point it's timely. It's in

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uh connection with uh matters that are

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on the council table today and uh for

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the future of the district. Um, I really

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can't imagine why council would object

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to moving an item so that we can have a

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wholesome discussion, but uh, it kind of

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stands on its own. Thank you. Anyone

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else wish to

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comment? No comment. Uh, those in favor

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of the

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motion. Okay. Those

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opposed? Motion fails. 4 42 with council

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sorry with councelor Marshall councelor

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opposition so now I look for an approval

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of the agenda based on the approved

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motion

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items councelor Marshall second

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councelor Sanjief any comments no

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comments those in favor

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uh passes unanimous thank you very much.

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Now we look at item five which is public

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participation period. We have a number

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of people from the public here. Before

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you get up I want to ask the question.

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You've already answered it but would you

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please put your hand up those that wish

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to speak at the public

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participation. Okay. I just want to

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check the numbers see if 20 minutes is

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enough. Thank you very much. So before

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you get up I have to make a statement

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unfortunately if I can find

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it. So it's rules of procedure. Uh

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persons wishing to address council must

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state their full name and municipality

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of residents for identification and also

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the topic involved. Questions and

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comments must be on topics which are not

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normally dealt with by municipal staff

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as a matter of routine. Questions and

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comments must be addressed through the

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chair and answers given likewise.

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Debates with or questions of individual

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council members will not be allowed. No

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commitments shall be made by the chair

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in replying to a question. Matters which

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may require action of the council shall

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be referred to a future meeting of the

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council. Each speaker during public

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participation period must use respectful

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language and refrain from making

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offensive

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gestures, excuse me, or signs and is

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limited to speak in for three minutes

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unless authorized by the chair to speak

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for a longer period of time. And last

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item, 20 minutes will be allotted for

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the public participation period unless

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extended by vote of the

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council. So the first person wish to

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come forward.

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Good evening, mayor, council, and

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district staff. Uh thank you for the

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opportunity to speak. My name is Jim

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Wolford and my wife and I live in uh and

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work in North Sanage. Um this is just

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not our home. It's our community and we

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know it's quite well and we care deeply

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about policies that uphold the values

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and vision outlined in the upcoming uh

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official community plan. Uh my wife and

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I believe that developing a short-term

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rental policy guided by the provincial

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short-term rental um accommodation act

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that was passed in 2023 offers a

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reasonable and responsible effective

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framework to make to meet several of our

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OCP uh goals. uh a well-crafted policy

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can strike the right balance by

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supporting local economic activity,

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encouraging innovative housing

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solutions, and helping address

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affordable home ownership. And I'll give

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an example. There's many seniors who

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wish to age in place in North Sanage and

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by leveraging their homes for additional

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income is one example of the OCP looking

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for innovative ways to raise income. The

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legis the legislation

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uh of the uh provincial short-term

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rental accommodation act uh is aimed to

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strike a balance protecting long-term

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housing challenges by limiting the

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short-term rentals to principal

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residents. The registry provides

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transparency. It provides accountability

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and enforcement, which is so important,

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ensuring only legal listings remain on

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the platform.

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As hosts, my wife and I have welcomed on

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a personal note uh many visiting

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professionals that work in the uh uh

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health care that provide support for

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work people in North

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Sanage. Uh they are essential

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contributors to our region and they rely

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on a safe regulated accommodation within

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the community of North Sanage. By

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establishing clear and thoughtful

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guidelines, the district can preserve

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neighborhood character while also

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allowing short-term rentals to

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contribute positively, economically,

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socially, and

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sustainably. And thank you for your time

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and your commitment to a balanced

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community focused approach to housing in

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North Sage. Thank you.

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Next person wish to come forward.

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My name is Kathy Leehy and I'm getting

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up on behalf of myself and my partner

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Gary Hartwig. Uh we live in Nor Sanich

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and we're agenda item which has been

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referred to a lot of times here. Um 8 I

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think 1A or we are asking for a variance

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on our property and we just wanted to

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let you know that we're here if you have

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any questions for us. Okay. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Good evening, council. I am David Tonkan

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and I live on Lanzen Road. I'm on the

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public record from last week uh

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discussing the marine uh the marine and

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foreshore areas in the OCP.

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Um, I just wanted to say that after uh

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we I had an opportunity to address you

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last week that uh Feliche did reach out

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and we had a wholesome conversation much

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of which is uh in the uh next draft that

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you will see of the OCP. It is um

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extremely gratifying to be heard and to

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be able to participate in the OCP

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process. Um so I wanted to say thank you

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for that and thank you Feliche. Um we

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also have uh invited uh members of

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council that would like to come to our

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AGM. Uh that is still open to you to

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come along. Um the the draft is is still

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a draft even though uh you'll take it to

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first reading or at May uh today. So um

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there are some changes that we are still

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looking for but I just wanted to say

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thank you very much for listening. Thank

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you.

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Good evening, mayor, council, and staff.

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My name is Julie Thorson. I'm here with

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my husband, John Christensen, along with

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other residents who operate short-term

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rentals here in North Sanich. We um

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issued a letter dated May 23rd, which is

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on this evening's agenda, as well as a

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informative report on short-term rentals

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in North Sanich a few weeks back. I'll

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make this very short, I promise. So, in

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light of the many changes that you've

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made to the OCP draft, particularly

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section 5.4.19 4.19 on temporary

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accommodations. Excuse me. It's

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important our concerns be voiced in

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person here tonight. As highlighted in

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my letter, the landscape of vacation

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rentals has changed significantly in the

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past decade. It is a diverse model made

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up mostly of self-contained

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units. Our review of online platforms

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found 58 listings listed on the

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provincial registry. There are three

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room only BNBs as per bylaw 1349. I have

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to remember all these bylaws. Nine are

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full houses. Some offer both rooms and

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suites within that dwelling. 46 were

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operated in secondary suites, guest

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cottages and carriage houses. Those with

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occupancy permits could not be validated

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but would be further reducing these

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numbers. So, we don't know how many have

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valid occupancy permits. Losing these

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small communityrooted short-term rentals

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would be a loss for the entire

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community. It will not add significant

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numbers to long-term housing, but it

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will remove a vital source of income to

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enable seniors and families to remain on

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their rural properties.

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Many hosts, for many hosts, monthly teny

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revenues will not begin to cover their

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rising property and retirement costs.

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This is the issue for my husband and I

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in

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particular. Thoughtful regulation and a

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fair licensing policy is needed once the

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OCP is

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finalized. In the interimm, a policy

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could be put in place without burdening

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staff or creating new bylaws and

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enforcement

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measures. Short-term rental operators

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would simply need to meet two basic

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requirements, a provincial short-term

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rental registry number and a valid

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occupancy permit from the district. Once

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the OCP is finalized, a more

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comprehensive framework such as Sydney's

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could be developed down the road. Thank

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you so much for your time. Thank you.

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Do we have anyone else else that wishes

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to speak? I'm seeing no one. Oh, yep.

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Good evening, council, mayor, and staff.

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Um, my name is Doug Noctal and I live on

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North Savage Road and I'm part of the

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short-term rental group of people here

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tonight to say that uh the short-term

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rental has been kind of a lifeline for

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my wife and me as well. Has allowed her

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to have a job that allows her to stay at

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home cuz she's been having some issues.

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So, it's been very important to her and

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uh as part of the community, we've part

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of the reason that we've done it is we

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want to be part of the sharing

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community. we've opened up our house to

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people and guests and they all ask us,

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"Why would you open up your house cuz

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it's beautiful?" And we said, "Well,

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haven't you ever driven in a nice

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neighborhood and wanted to know what it

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would be wondered like to know what it

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to live there?" And they said, "Well,

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absolutely. We drive through all these

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beautiful neighborhoods. We never get a

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chance to see them." We said, "Well, we

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wanted to give you that opportunity."

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and the smiles and the gratefulness that

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we've gotten from the people who've

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stayed, especially the medical staff

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during CO who came and stayed. They were

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coming in tired and run down and we had

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a nurse from Calgary who was on the

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front line of CO and she came and there

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was no life in her and she stayed for 8

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days and went back and basically hugged

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us and said, "Thank you. You've given me

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my life back." So the value of

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short-term rental is there for people

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who are looking for places to to uh

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escape the daily life and to refocus and

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rebuild their mental fortitude. So we've

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seen so much of that from our

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perspective. So I thank you for your

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time and for the work that you guys do.

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Thank you.

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Is there anyone else that wishes to

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speak?

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Good evening, staff and council. I'm uh

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Hans Kman and I live here in North

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Senate. I'm here with my wife tonight,

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Emma Domen. And uh we're also part of

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the short rental short-term rental

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uh group. And uh we believe that

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short-term rentals have been around for

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so long now that they're an integral

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part of a community, having been

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existence for well over a decade

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already. And uh we would encourage

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council and staff to explore further the

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possibility of what they bring to our

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district in terms of housing diversity

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and flexibility. Thank you. Thank you.

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And anyone else wishes to speak? I'm

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seeing no one rising. So I'll call the

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closure to the public participation

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period and we'll move right on to

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adoption of minutes. Any additions,

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deletions, errors, council, I look at

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Jack. No. No. I look for a motion based

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on Thank you, Councelor Marshall. Second

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councelor Sanjie.

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Uh, I move that council adopt the

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minutes to the special meeting of

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council held May 12th, 2025. Thank you.

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Any

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comments? No comments? Those in

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favor? Unanimous. Thank you. We move on

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to item seven, which is petitions,

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delegations, and presentations. And this

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presentation by Mary Winssper Center.

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Thank you. That's

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fine. Good evening, mayor, council,

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staff. I'm pleased to have this

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opportunity to be here to update council

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on our last year's operations for the

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year 2024. I would like to first

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introduce our board members that are

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here this evening. We've got uh Sheila

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Fay, Ryan Traford, Patrick Brown, Dell

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Elgma, um Linda Pendre, and Maya

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Pollson. And also one of our stellar

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volunteers just happened to be here,

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Shirley Moner. So, thanks Shirley.

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Uh I would venture that there are very

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few people who live in this community

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uh

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there who have not stepped foot in our

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facility at the Mary Winspair Center. I

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daily have so much appreciation for the

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visionaries who work tirelessly to see

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the center realized. the financial

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benefit of the visitors we attract is

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huge and one of the projects that I want

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to be able to work on this year is to

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measure that impact. So, um we are

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looking at developing some metrics and I

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hope that next year I'll have those

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statistics to present because I think

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that it's really important to

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um to be able to measure those kinds of

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things and and see what it is that uh

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our operation is contributing to the

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community.

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I wanted to mention first off the good

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news that we received in March that our

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charitable statuses were reinstated for

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both the Sanich Peninsula Memorial Park

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Society and the Mary Winspair Center

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Foundation. For those of us that or

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those of you who've been following along

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with us on this journey, it was

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arduous. Um it really took a patient

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village, a legal team, and an age to

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accomplish.

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So, um I appreciate just the patience

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that the community and our board and

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volunteers really everyone um showed

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while we went through this

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process. Uh I'm not going to go through

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all these statistics, but I did want to

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point out that in 23 and 24, we had some

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pretty good years.

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Um we are anticipating a netneutral

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result for 2025 given uh the kind of

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uncertain economic climate. We're really

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not sure how um the economy is going to

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impact people's willingness to spend

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money on going to shows and that kind of

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thing. Uh so I don't know that we can

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anticipate seeing anything like that net

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cash gain for

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2025. That particular gain for 2024 of

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the

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449778 will be funneled into funding our

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capital upgrades. I'll talk a little

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more about that uh as I proceed here,

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but um there are a lot there's a lot

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that needs to be done in that respect.

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and then anything that's remaining will

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be set up as a

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reserve for our theater. We continue to

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see soldout audiences at many of our

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events and we're excited to continue

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building audiences for some more diverse

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programming and offering additional

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support for artists who might not

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otherwise have opportunities to perform

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in the area. We are reinstating our

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bursery program that gives financial

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support to children who are not able to

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afford to see shows or register for

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programs. Um, we're really proud of that

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program. It's been a while since we've

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been able to offer it, but our

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foundation board is working on changing

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some of the regulations that we've had

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in place and we're hoping to be able to

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launch that fairly soon so that families

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who are have a little bit less

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um are able to participate in some of

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the offerings that we have both for

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programming and for

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shows. It was another busy year for

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conferences and rentals in our building.

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2025 is shaping up to be even busier

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with more weddings and dance

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competitions. Uh we end we did kind of a

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check just to see of all of the rentals

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that we had to turn down and we expect

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that we could expand by 20% at the very

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least to accommodate the additional

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requests that we get for space rentals.

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It's a busy place.

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Uh, I did want to mention a couple of

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things about Blue Heron Park. We're

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continuing to seek partners to assist us

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with park maintenance and potentially

544
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add to the activities that are possible

545
00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:53,440
in the park. Ideally, we would

546
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:56,559
appreciate support from the district's

547
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,720
park staff to help us with maintenance.

548
00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:00,799
Our staff make weekly visits to walk the

549
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,720
trails and make sure it's safe and that

550
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:05,200
we don't have any unhoused camping or

551
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,279
having fires or leaving garbage. We do

552
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,240
rely heavily on our park neighbors and

553
00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:12,720
trail users to bring issues to our

554
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:15,520
attention. We don't have um resources

555
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:18,159
either financial or personnel that can

556
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:21,200
spend a lot of time in the park. So, we

557
00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:22,880
do really um rely on our neighbors to

558
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,919
let us know when there are things that

559
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,919
we need to be attending

560
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:30,480
to. And a little bit about our building

561
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:32,799
at the Mary Windspear Center. Most of

562
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,039
the mechanical systems and well really

563
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:37,080
everything in the building um are from

564
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:40,000
the original construction in

565
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:42,880
2001. Over the years some things have

566
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,000
failed and have not been replaced. So

567
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,400
beginning with some of the most

568
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,159
important our facility staff have begun

569
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,159
catching up with those repairs. We're

570
00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:52,000
very fortunate that we've got a

571
00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:54,640
facilities manager right now with a lot

572
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,919
of skills. So, he's been uh able to take

573
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,760
care of a lot of those things, and we

574
00:26:55,919 --> 00:27:00,679
haven't had to call into the contracts

575
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:03,679
that we would have had to in the

576
00:27:00,679 --> 00:27:05,640
past. Beyond general repairs, there are

577
00:27:03,679 --> 00:27:08,000
several important items in need of

578
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:10,559
replacement, the roof and the HVAC

579
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,480
system being the most critical. We will

580
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:14,799
be considering a fundraising campaign to

581
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,559
assist with that project as preliminary

582
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:19,039
costs are estimated at a million

583
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:20,880
dollars.

584
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:22,400
uh readerboard. For those of you that

585
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,400
remember the reader board that used to

586
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:28,159
be the digital signage that was up in

587
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:30,559
the um tower, that is a project that's

588
00:27:28,159 --> 00:27:32,400
still very high on our priority list. We

589
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:34,640
have found that retrofitting that space

590
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,320
in the tower is going to be a high-cost

591
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,520
endeavor. So, we are looking at some

592
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,600
other options that might give us more

593
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,600
flexibility and

594
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:46,080
visibility. Um so, there will be more

595
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,159
information about that forthcoming.

596
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,000
I did want to mention that we actually

597
00:27:48,159 --> 00:27:54,480
have more than one window that needs to

598
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:56,960
be replaced in the future. So, um, yeah,

599
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,799
and that's about it. I'm really happy to

600
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,440
answer any questions if anyone has

601
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:04,799
questions. Thank you, council.

602
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:07,840
Questions? Councelor Stock, you are

603
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:11,360
already is on.

604
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:14,399
No, I just think that uh we we are very

605
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:16,320
fortunate as the communities here on the

606
00:28:14,399 --> 00:28:19,600
peninsula to have the Mary Windspear

607
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:22,000
Center and the Memorial Park Society and

608
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:25,720
the board is amazing the number of

609
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:29,039
volunteer hours and Denny is

610
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:31,919
also she's the one really uh along with

611
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:34,880
the board but mainly Denny who got our

612
00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:38,720
our charitable status back and that was

613
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:43,120
so difficult really really a very hard

614
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:46,000
uh arduous uh process. So I think uh

615
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:49,279
that you know we're very very lucky to

616
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:52,159
have Mary Windspear center and that we

617
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:55,039
do uh I know there's a lot of things a

618
00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:57,039
lot of capital projects that we're you

619
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:59,919
know need to do plus the park

620
00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:03,679
maintenance is very difficult uh because

621
00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:07,520
it it is a large park and uh lots of

622
00:29:03,679 --> 00:29:10,159
people use it. So anyway, I and also the

623
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:13,600
Peninsula Singers. We have sold out

624
00:29:10,159 --> 00:29:15,559
shows. I have to I have to do a plug for

625
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,399
our Peninsula

626
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:20,320
singers and our Christmas show is coming

627
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:23,200
up.

628
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:25,200
Pull the mic on that one.

629
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,600
Anyway, thank you, Denny, and thank you

630
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:30,399
to the Memorial Park Society board

631
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:33,279
because, as I say, without you, we

632
00:29:30,399 --> 00:29:36,559
wouldn't have all the arts and culture

633
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:38,039
and entertainment we have. Thank you.

634
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:39,960
Thank you, Council

635
00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:42,480
St.

636
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,240
Council. Excuse me, I'm losing my voice.

637
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,760
Council Clint, do you have anything to

638
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,760
add because we don't see you on the

639
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,760
screen?

640
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,640
No, nothing to add, mayor. Thank you for

641
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:59,640
asking. Thank you, councelor. Further

642
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,640
questions?

643
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,600
Nope. She's leaving.

644
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,159
Oh, we cleared the room

645
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:27,679
again. Okay. Um, now we move on to item

646
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,080
eight. I got to make sure that I'm not

647
00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:32,799
jumping

648
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,880
anything. Yes, we move on to item eight,

649
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:36,559
which is reports. And the first item is

650
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,600
A, which is a staff report on

651
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:42,159
development various permit, DVP. And

652
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,240
before we ask staff to comment, I'll

653
00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:46,440
stand up the motion so that we can put

654
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,760
these two emails

655
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,760
uh on record so that they can be

656
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:57,600
discussed. So the motion is is that um

657
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:59,279
that we receive uh email May 22, sorry,

658
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:03,679
from the town of Sydney with subject

659
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:07,039
line DVP application 9140 Creswell Road

660
00:31:03,679 --> 00:31:09,279
and second email dated May 25th, 2025

661
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:12,480
from B. Jones and E. Jones with subject

662
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:16,080
line regular. Do I have a seconder? Um I

663
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,080
saw councelor Marshall first. Any

664
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,640
comments? Any comments? No comments?

665
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:25,360
Those in

666
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:27,600
favor? Unanimous. So now we move on to

667
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,000
the main item which is staff. Anything

668
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:34,880
to add?

669
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:36,960
Thank you through the chair. Um just uh

670
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,760
the only thing I'll add is that the um

671
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,519
the owner is has been and the applicant

672
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:45,279
have been working with staff to bring

673
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:47,679
the property into compliance. Uh and uh

674
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:50,159
this issue came about uh when we do our

675
00:31:47,679 --> 00:31:52,880
property check for uh for other things

676
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:56,799
on the property. Um they've already got

677
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:59,200
uh uh some approvals and this is one

678
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:01,919
that ended up coming up in the process.

679
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,919
So, uh, staff is recommending, uh,

680
00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:07,919
approval on this variance. Thank you.

681
00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:07,919
Thank you, council.

682
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,880
Questions? Not seeing any

683
00:32:12,679 --> 00:32:17,279
questions. So, based on the fact I see

684
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,760
no questions, I look for a motion.

685
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:22,799
Council council me seconded. Councelor

686
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,720
Sanjief. Council Makoni. Uh, thank you,

687
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:26,720
chair. I'll make the recommendation that

688
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:31,600
one council approve the issuance of

689
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,600
development variance permit DVP

690
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:37,840
2025-0249140 Creswell Road attached to

691
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,840
staff report number

692
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,240
PCS-25-011 as attached one varying the

693
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:46,080
following section of the zoning bylaw

694
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:50,000
number 1255 section A very zoning bylaw

695
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:53,360
number 1255 section 501.3.4

696
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,760
4 C3 to relax a minimum required

697
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,840
interior sideyard setback brackets east

698
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:01,679
side for one existing accessory

699
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:07,279
structure in the RA3 zone from 7.6 m

700
00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:08,799
bracket 25 ft to 5.7 m brackets 19.3 ft

701
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:12,080
for the purpose of permitting the

702
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:15,600
existing deck structure. Thank you. Um

703
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:18,679
before we go for a vote any questions?

704
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:21,799
No questions. the those in

705
00:33:18,679 --> 00:33:24,640
favor unanimous. Thank

706
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:26,480
you. Now we move on to the next item.

707
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,960
Instead of using the number, I'll go by

708
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:32,320
title. And um the next item is the

709
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:34,480
official community plan review. And

710
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,240
again, because we've got laid items on

711
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,600
this, I will stand up the motion so it

712
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:41,240
can be discussed on the floor. And uh my

713
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,960
motion is to

714
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:48,000
receive letter

715
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:50,799
dated whoop sorry letter dated May 20,

716
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,720
2025 from D. Josephson with subject line

717
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:55,000
support for short-term rentals and

718
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:59,760
opposition to draft number two of the

719
00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:02,159
OCP. Email dated May 22nd, 2025 from D.

720
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,919
Gregory with subject line support a

721
00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:05,840
balanced approach to short-term rentals

722
00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:09,200
in North Sanich.

723
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,800
Letter dated May 22, 2025 from C Kerr

724
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,839
with subject line support for

725
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,839
responsible short-term rentals in North

726
00:34:12,839 --> 00:34:18,720
Sanage. And item last item is letter

727
00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:21,359
letter dated May 23rd, 2025 from Jay

728
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:23,440
Thorson and and Jay Christensen with

729
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:28,800
subject line in support of short-term

730
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:33,119
rentals OCP draft 3. Do I have a second?

731
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,119
Councelor Sanjief. Um any

732
00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:40,879
comments? I see no comments. Those in

733
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:43,960
favor? Unanimous. So now we move to the

734
00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:47,839
actual item. So again,

735
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:51,280
staff. Thank you through the chair. Uh

736
00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:54,800
thank you, mayor and council. Uh this is

737
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:58,320
um uh a draft of an OCP that is finally

738
00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:01,280
coming to uh council uh in the form of a

739
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:05,040
bylaw uh for first reading.

740
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:08,240
Uh it has been a long time coming. Um it

741
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:11,680
follows up uh previous uh meeting by

742
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:15,200
council uh and another open house that

743
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:17,680
was uh conducted on May the 14th and we

744
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:21,040
in which we had a lot of um a lot of

745
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:23,119
input uh and planning staff have

746
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,760
received

747
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:29,280
uh as I as as Mary has noted in the

748
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:32,400
report a robust amount of public uh

749
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:35,200
input uh between the last council

750
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,920
meeting and this one And so, uh,

751
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:40,400
planning staff have been very busy, uh,

752
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,560
meeting internally, uh, making

753
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,680
clarifications in the document, updating

754
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,680
the document. Um, we have included a

755
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,800
redline version and a complete version

756
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:53,680
for council this evening. Uh, both have

757
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,440
been added to the, um, uh, municipal

758
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:59,760
website for people to see so they can

759
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:01,760
track the changes. Um, and it is, uh,

760
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,320
the first reading in a four reading

761
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,320
process. Uh the second reading will come

762
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,280
later on in June in the second week of

763
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:12,400
June on the 9th. Uh we'd like to bring

764
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,560
the bylaw back uh to second reading. But

765
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,680
in the meantime, this uh first reading

766
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:22,000
will give us authorization uh to uh do

767
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:25,520
our referrals uh take this um uh OCP to

768
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,640
our uh lawyers for review uh as well as

769
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:32,720
get uh more input uh from the community

770
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,480
as well. Um Mary has been extremely busy

771
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:36,960
uh

772
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:40,000
condensing uh a lot of information down

773
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:42,480
um to an OCP concentrate which you have

774
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,160
in front of you tonight. Um she's going

775
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:47,280
to go through uh a number of the

776
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:50,240
updates, a number of the changes uh try

777
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,400
she'll try to be brief because it is uh

778
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:56,000
um there has been a lot of information

779
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,920
uh collected and then um we'll be here

780
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:01,520
as staff to answer any questions that

781
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,720
council may have. Thank you.

782
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,079
Thank you, Feliche, and through the

783
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:06,400
chair. Good evening, everybody. Hope

784
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:09,119
everyone's doing well tonight. Um,

785
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,359
right, as Feliche said, we um did

786
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:14,400
receive quite a few people to come to

787
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:16,400
our open house and um on May 14th where

788
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,480
we heard from about 35 people, I think,

789
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,839
were in attendance. And we've received

790
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,200
quite a few written responses,

791
00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:24,160
obviously, many on the short-term

792
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:26,320
rentals. Um and we also spoke with our

793
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,560
committees and committee members outside

794
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,520
of um the committee to some degree as

795
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,440
well and we've had input from various

796
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,359
district staff. So, you know, I I'd say

797
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,119
it's like continuous refinement here a

798
00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:39,200
little bit. Um but I would say in

799
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:40,720
general I would there's about three

800
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,960
areas that we've been hearing more

801
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:44,400
strongly than um others. One is around

802
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,000
the short-term rental policy which

803
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,320
you've heard a little bit about tonight.

804
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,880
Um another is around just the densities

805
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:54,240
around McTavish area. And then I would

806
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,839
say the the third main kind of um like

807
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,280
sort of area of concentration if you

808
00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:59,680
will of input was around the marine

809
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:02,160
policy. So you'll see some of the red

810
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,760
line reflects some of that. But that

811
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,119
wasn't the only there was there were

812
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,720
other comments and I'll go through a

813
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:08,400
little bit more but in general there was

814
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:10,240
comments just for clarity as well or

815
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,359
reinforcing certain points adding a

816
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,440
little bit more here or there. That's

817
00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:17,720
where you might see some things um added

818
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:20,400
in the red line. Um I guess the

819
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:22,640
um the main thing sorry the other thing

820
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,480
the other major area of of input was

821
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:28,000
around in from the southeast quadrant

822
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,560
and that desire for um smaller uh lots

823
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,240
minimum lot sizes in relation to

824
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,400
subdivision. Um so I'll just go through

825
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:36,160
each sort of section that had that what

826
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,920
the main input was and and sort of how

827
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,440
we handled it. You've also had that in

828
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,480
your staff report but I'll just sort of

829
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,400
put that in uh for now. And so yes, so

830
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,720
the first one was reducing minimum lot

831
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:49,119
size to 0.25 acres in the southeast

832
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,240
quadrant. And I think last time we had a

833
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,640
motion that that where that was

834
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:56,000
defeated. So uh you will not see that uh

835
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:57,760
in this in this draft. Also some desire

836
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,720
to talk a little bit about increasing

837
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,960
density specifically in the in that new

838
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:05,520
designation which is the um fund

839
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,760
planning term attached ground oriented

840
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,359
residential designation also sort of

841
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,000
known as town homes and that sort of

842
00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:14,160
thing. Um so we have recommended a

843
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,640
couple of edits to that one one where we

844
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:20,480
where we're keeping basically the um

845
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:23,680
existing uh dwelling units per acre etc.

846
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,760
But adding some of degree of flexibility

847
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,359
where we might be able to where council

848
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,880
might be able to increase the density

849
00:39:27,359 --> 00:39:30,640
according to certain conditions and we

850
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,880
have inserted what those conditions

851
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,040
would be in a general sense in terms of

852
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,599
amenity provisions and site conditions

853
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,520
being preserved. thinking here about uh

854
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:41,760
cover tree tree canopy and trying to

855
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,359
balance that kind of um the the

856
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,200
interests. So just to give you a sense

857
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:46,720
of that um and this would be addressed

858
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,400
in the zoning by a lot of this more

859
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:50,640
specifics

860
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,960
um but we didn't make changes to the

861
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,720
number of

862
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:57,280
stories. Okay, thank you. Um and then

863
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:58,800
some uh you know edits for clarity

864
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,599
generally in that land use section. So

865
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,119
that's section four. Then going uh to uh

866
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:06,079
the clim environment and climate change

867
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:07,760
section. Um just some more explicit

868
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:09,760
making more explicit some of the implied

869
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,640
concepts in there. There was emphasis on

870
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,880
trees importance in in a wild uh climate

871
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,640
as well as um wanting to really see we

872
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,119
talked a lot about ecosystem integrity

873
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,040
but also the wildlife um being

874
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:23,599
prevalent. We had some comments around

875
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,760
fire um uh internally and carbon

876
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:27,920
accounting there. So we generally tried

877
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:31,040
to reflect those edits where we could

878
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:33,839
and uh yeah sim similarly for the

879
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,520
general development policies there's um

880
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:38,720
you know just again that reinforcing of

881
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:40,160
the the um wildlife water harvesting. So

882
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:41,520
there were some concepts with that

883
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,960
that's concepts that were already in

884
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,040
there but we just sort of reinforced

885
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,560
some of those and I would say the same

886
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:50,960
about from agriculture

887
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:52,720
um specifically there was one um just

888
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:56,240
some discussions around size of the

889
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:59,599
residential farm farm plate um as well

890
00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:02,319
as um uh sustainable food production

891
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:04,160
including the marine environment.

892
00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:07,599
And then when it comes to the short-term

893
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:09,760
rentals, um I think generally if I were

894
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:11,520
to summarize, I think and I think it

895
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,319
it's reflected here from the comments we

896
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,920
received is just a desire really to

897
00:41:14,319 --> 00:41:20,319
reflect what the provincial um

898
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:23,079
legislation states. Uh and so we what

899
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:26,400
we've done is we've really tried to

900
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:28,640
maybe not get as specific in the OCP but

901
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:31,040
really used the OCP because it is that

902
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:33,680
general overarching policy do document

903
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,079
to really try to say uh you know that

904
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,000
emphasize that balance between what

905
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:40,000
we're what decisions are supposed to do

906
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,400
is balance that need for the h local

907
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:45,200
housing with the economic benefits that

908
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,440
have been cited. um and that we are

909
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:51,200
going to look to develop a more specific

910
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:53,440
policy uh to come basically. So that

911
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,040
that's where we've gone. We've we've um

912
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,720
and I think that that sort of echoes

913
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,040
quite a bit about what what people are

914
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:01,040
saying. Uh yeah, the specifics will come

915
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,760
later and we'll hear more and we'll be

916
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,440
able to um understand a little bit more

917
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,960
about how other local governments are

918
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:10,319
threading the needle on this very

919
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:12,480
important topic um because of course all

920
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:15,119
interests are so valid. So, uh, that's

921
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,040
what we've done with that one. Um, when

922
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:19,200
it comes to the commercial and

923
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,520
industrial, we really, we heard quite

924
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,599
strongly from the marinas about liabs

925
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:27,160
being permitted on in marina areas. So,

926
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:31,440
we we have added that edit. Um and

927
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:32,960
then yeah, a few more again making a

928
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,040
little bit more clarity and explicit

929
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,960
around some of the implied comments um

930
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,920
concepts in the parks, recreation and

931
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,839
culture specifically talking about kayak

932
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,359
launches and this sort of thing where it

933
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:47,520
may have already been implied in our

934
00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:47,520
minds but to make some things explicit.

935
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,800
Um when it comes to other land use,

936
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:59,440
um just that recognition that BC fairies

937
00:42:57,359 --> 00:43:01,440
and the airport and other uh federal

938
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,839
lands play such a key employment and

939
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,680
public transportation hub. And so that

940
00:43:03,839 --> 00:43:09,040
was um important for us to just

941
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:11,359
reiterate that. In the infrastructure um

942
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,200
section, we made some changes around um

943
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:16,720
connecting water supply supply more

944
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:19,920
explicitly to fire flow requirements and

945
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:23,359
um in the marine and freshwater section,

946
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:25,440
we've uh tried to really um tie the

947
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:28,560
balancing of the foreshore development

948
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:30,480
sorry again strive to find a balance

949
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,480
between foreshore development and

950
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,040
environmental and visual sort of values

951
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,359
that are held dear by so many residents.

952
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,839
we've heard over the engagement um and

953
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:42,560
we will be looking to improve the

954
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:45,119
clarity of that and the intentions in

955
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:48,240
the implementation so in the zoning um

956
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:50,880
that will come later. Uh and then we

957
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:53,200
also removed some of the references to

958
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,040
the 2100 or all of them actually to the

959
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,280
2100 reference in relation to the high

960
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,880
water water mark again in the

961
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,520
anticipation that we'll be looking at

962
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,680
this more closely with the sea level

963
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:07,440
rise um flood control bylaw that's

964
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:10,200
anticipated to be done. Um I think

965
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:13,280
mostly the the other development permit

966
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:16,720
areas again just edits for clarity. The

967
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:20,240
de development permit area maps we did

968
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:22,240
um make some uh edits uh where we could

969
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:24,160
show that this we the we where we were

970
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:26,400
able to confirm that some of these

971
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,400
streams were actually non-fish bearing

972
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,160
and so we've removed those from the map

973
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,480
and there's more work to be done uh you

974
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,880
know as we as we go forward. Um, and so

975
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,640
we've also, I think, added some detail

976
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,480
around some of the the research that we

977
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:42,200
want to do moving forward to make these

978
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:45,200
these maps even more precise.

979
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:47,119
Um, I think the only note on schedule B,

980
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,760
which is the one that's the the land use

981
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:51,920
designations uh was we were we updated

982
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,079
one parcel from community uh to

983
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,000
community use from a split designation

984
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:57,920
of agricultural and rural and that was

985
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,160
uh to accommodate the I think broad and

986
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,880
gun club is the name of it. Yeah.

987
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,880
So I think that's that's the details and

988
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:08,000
um happy to accept any questions or

989
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,480
comments um as always. Okay. Thank you.

990
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,079
Thank

991
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:14,640
you. Councelor Stock is ready. Okay.

992
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:17,040
Councelor Stock.

993
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,720
All right. Uh thank you chair. Uh well

994
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:22,960
my question relates to the short-term

995
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:26,119
rentals. So, I think that what I've

996
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:29,440
gleaned from May uh Miss Startzer's uh

997
00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:32,640
comments is that there'll be sort of a

998
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:35,680
general outline in the OCB because it is

999
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,960
a a broad policy document and there'll

1000
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:41,119
be a policy later

1001
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:45,280
on specifically related to short-term

1002
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:49,520
rentals uh that will be enacted pursuant

1003
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:51,640
to the OCP and the bylaw. And am I

1004
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,839
correct in that

1005
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,079
interpretation just because I know

1006
00:45:53,839 --> 00:46:00,040
probably other Yeah. people in the

1007
00:45:56,079 --> 00:46:02,560
audience may have also want that type of

1008
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,880
clarification. Thank you chair and thank

1009
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,800
you staff. Yeah. Yeah. Through the

1010
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,880
chair. Absolutely. That's our intention

1011
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,200
is to state the broad intention which is

1012
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,359
that that we will be balancing those

1013
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,440
very important interests both local

1014
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:17,680
housing as well as and that should be

1015
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,119
the intention of council going forward.

1016
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,520
Right. And so this is the that's the

1017
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:23,599
long-term thinking broad like oversight

1018
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:28,319
policy that will be set here. And then

1019
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:30,319
we we talk about uh by developing a more

1020
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:32,160
specific policy. And that is our exact

1021
00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:33,680
intention is to be able to develop that

1022
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,960
more specific policy when we can do a

1023
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,280
little bit more engagement and a little

1024
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,960
bit more research to really understand

1025
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,400
there's there's there's there's soup to

1026
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,920
nuts of what local governments are doing

1027
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,440
out there to thread this needle for

1028
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:47,599
themselves and we want to take a little

1029
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,599
bit more time to also do that.

1030
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:52,960
Um for the in the

1031
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,720
interm regulation that is in place and

1032
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:58,160
that regulation would be intended to

1033
00:46:54,720 --> 00:47:01,119
stay until we replace it with uh policy

1034
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:03,520
and other so so so it's sort of status

1035
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:05,760
quo as is with this being the

1036
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:08,319
overarching currently in you could

1037
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,720
almost say that our you know we need to

1038
00:47:08,319 --> 00:47:13,680
look at what the status quo is but this

1039
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:16,319
OCP policy today maybe is trying to do

1040
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,760
that uh will fit under that if that's

1041
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:19,920
I'm I'm not sure I'm explaining myself

1042
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,680
very clearly, but basically it's broad

1043
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,960
enough that it can accommodate for what

1044
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,440
we have, but we'll be looking at more

1045
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,599
specifically.

1046
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,319
Okay. Thank you uh very much. Okay. No

1047
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:32,720
follow. Thank you chair and thank you uh

1048
00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:35,599
Miss St. Okay. Thank you council

1049
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:36,960
councelor Marshall. So my uh thank you

1050
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:38,480
just through you chair to staff. My

1051
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,760
question is along the same lines as what

1052
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,040
councelor Stockton and I know that

1053
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,760
you've just answered it but I just want

1054
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,760
to make it clear.

1055
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:47,440
Um, so I understand that policy will be

1056
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,839
coming, but I believe that part of the

1057
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,359
change that we have incorporated is that

1058
00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:53,760
high level view of balancing the

1059
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:56,319
economic benefit of short-term rentals

1060
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,880
with housing. So we have that currently

1061
00:47:56,319 --> 00:48:00,480
changed now in this OCP draft. So that

1062
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,480
is the direction to council when we

1063
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,160
consider decision-m here. It's not

1064
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,839
specifically just housing needs. It's

1065
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,319
our economic benefit for our short-term

1066
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:10,040
rentals. Do I have that correct? Okay.

1067
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:13,040
Thank you. Thank

1068
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:15,119
you. Counc.

1069
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,760
Yes. Thank you. I I just thought of

1070
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:20,000
something else. I know that with regard

1071
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,000
to it's not really a question short

1072
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,839
comment with regard to short-term

1073
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,960
rentals also many of them aren't

1074
00:48:23,839 --> 00:48:30,640
suitable for long-term accommodation and

1075
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:33,920
I've experienced that myself and also

1076
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:36,400
having neighbors and friends who have

1077
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:40,240
short-term rentals in North Sanage and

1078
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:43,760
really I can't see anyone you know want

1079
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:46,559
it wouldn't be appropriate to or that

1080
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:50,640
comfortable for like a long-term term

1081
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:52,720
say a year lease or something. Uh and so

1082
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:55,599
I think that's part of the balance too

1083
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:58,720
which houses or carriage houses or

1084
00:48:55,599 --> 00:49:02,240
suites uh have the appropriate

1085
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:04,480
accommodation for longer term housing in

1086
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:06,960
instead of just short-term rentals.

1087
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,200
Thank you very much. Thank you council.

1088
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,720
Further

1089
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,319
questions? Nope. Um I'll bring up a

1090
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:13,720
couple of questions. One, I'll just

1091
00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:16,240
comment on the

1092
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:18,960
um I call them the BMBBS, the short-term

1093
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:22,000
rentals. Um based on the fact that the

1094
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,160
OCP is just an overarching document, I

1095
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,000
assume that

1096
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,440
the the short-term rental owners will

1097
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,960
have another opportunity to talk to

1098
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:33,440
staff and that's during the process of

1099
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:35,520
producing the policy. So, I just want to

1100
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,680
make sure that they they're aware that

1101
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,200
that's going to happen. Absolutely.

1102
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,359
Yeah. through the absolutely that that

1103
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,040
is the intention I think you know just

1104
00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:44,800
recognizing we need to hear from a few

1105
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,880
more people specifically on this issue

1106
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:49,599
issue well as many people who want to

1107
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,960
speak about it to us so uh before I go

1108
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:52,000
Thank you very much before I go to my

1109
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,000
next question I'll go to councelor

1110
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,000
mccllintok

1111
00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:01,599
yes thank you mayor uh through you staff

1112
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:03,440
uh would you say that the our OCP is

1113
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:04,960
being

1114
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,559
um is following the guidelines of the

1115
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,839
province as opposed to being made in

1116
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:11,119
North Sanage

1117
00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:13,599
to um creating a a policy in relation to

1118
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:15,119
short-term rentals that um would be

1119
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:17,520
unique to us. I know that we have to

1120
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:19,119
bear all things in mind, but um as

1121
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,520
councelor Stock already mentioned, there

1122
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:23,839
are many short-term rentals that uh

1123
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,720
would not be suitable for a long-term

1124
00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:30,000
lease type arrangement. And um the year

1125
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:31,520
is getting on, summer's coming. Is there

1126
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:35,599
anything we can offer those short-term

1127
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:37,760
rental people um at this time to um to

1128
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:40,240
encourage them to that they're that

1129
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,920
they're um their business is not at

1130
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:46,040
risk?

1131
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,040
And I have another question as well.

1132
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,359
Staff, do you want do you have a

1133
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:54,160
response? I mean, at this point, like we

1134
00:50:51,359 --> 00:50:57,040
have our rules. So, I guess that that's

1135
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:59,599
the that that's like if you know,

1136
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,200
assuming everyone's good with what our

1137
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:03,359
rules are right now, then there's no

1138
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,599
one's businesses at risk at this point.

1139
00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:07,839
I mean, I think what we'll need to do is

1140
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:09,920
we're allowed to be more restrictive.

1141
00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:12,480
That is what we're allowed to do. Um, in

1142
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,760
terms of attending to long-term housing

1143
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,960
needs. Sorry, I should have said through

1144
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:19,119
the chair. um uh you know and so that

1145
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,800
we're not we're not allowed to be more

1146
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:22,319
uh open with our policies, right? So at

1147
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,400
a minimum it would be what the

1148
00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:27,680
provincial policy is. People can know

1149
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:29,920
that as a bound um and there may be some

1150
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,480
interest for council and um staff's

1151
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,480
recommendation

1152
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,240
around creating these variations that

1153
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,240
we're allowed to kind of do that make it

1154
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:40,160
slightly more restrictive. For example,

1155
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:44,000
currently it's we define short-term

1156
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:46,319
rentals as under um 30 days and uh

1157
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:49,280
whereas the province defines as it as

1158
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:51,119
under 90 days. So that's an example, you

1159
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,040
know, where where we would be allowed to

1160
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:56,079
do something like this. There's other

1161
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:58,400
ways you can uh limit them or not decide

1162
00:51:56,079 --> 00:52:01,160
to in terms of principal residence only,

1163
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:03,440
secondary suite, uh

1164
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:05,839
cottage. So I think I think what we're

1165
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,520
saying is the rules are what they are. I

1166
00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:10,079
don't know if that's helpful to people

1167
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:12,480
uh that that feel comfortable with that.

1168
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:14,160
And then it definitely won't be um any

1169
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,920
less restrictive than what the province

1170
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,079
has. Uh and then we're going to have to

1171
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,640
find that balance um between the the

1172
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:22,160
long-term housing. And so I maybe Flee

1173
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:25,400
you have more to add. Before I go back

1174
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:28,240
to council, just a comment on that bas

1175
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:30,839
basically it's status quo right now.

1176
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:33,920
That's right. And

1177
00:52:30,839 --> 00:52:36,720
if staff were to come and with a more

1178
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:39,800
restrictive policy, council would have

1179
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:42,079
the opportunity to vote on it and more

1180
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,079
importantly the public would have an

1181
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:46,240
opportunity to speak on it. Okay. Thank

1182
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:50,839
you. Um council k you have another

1183
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:50,839
question or you want wish to follow up.

1184
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:06,359
Thank you. Sorry about that. I'm um I

1185
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:09,599
missed I missed the click on the button.

1186
00:53:06,359 --> 00:53:12,480
Um my question is because we're talking

1187
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:15,240
about housing on the OCP, I have to

1188
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:18,920
refer to a letter that was sent

1189
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:21,760
by Minister Khan. Uh

1190
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:23,839
he council I know that sorry council

1191
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,280
mccllintok that that's that's for

1192
00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:27,599
information only. That's not for

1193
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,440
discussion. There was a motion on it.

1194
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:31,440
No, no. There was a motion not to move

1195
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,920
it, but we can we can talk about

1196
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:37,800
whatever is on the agenda. I would just

1197
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,800
the matter that's on the agenda.

1198
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,800
Uh through your some clarification from

1199
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:44,480
procedures if you like, but this is a

1200
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,280
matter that was brought to our attention

1201
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:49,680
in council. I asked to move it uh so we

1202
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,119
could talk about it within council, but

1203
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:54,000
because it was brought to my attention

1204
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:56,640
in in the agenda, I can't turn a blind

1205
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:59,040
eye.

1206
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,200
And staff, if I'm out of order, then let

1207
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,119
me

1208
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:05,040
know. Mayor, I mean, as chair, that's

1209
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:06,960
your call to make. Um, my understanding

1210
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,400
of the convention of this council in

1211
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,240
relation to the items that are received

1212
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,319
for information only is that that's what

1213
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:14,079
happens with them. and and in in this

1214
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:15,839
particular instance, there was a motion

1215
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:18,800
that failed to bring that letter forward

1216
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:21,839
for discussion. So, um again, I believe

1217
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:24,000
you would be within uh your uh rounds of

1218
00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:26,000
appropriateness to to disqualify that

1219
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,599
conversation at this point. Okay. Thank

1220
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,920
you.

1221
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:32,240
Or if I'm clear, were to ignore

1222
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,720
information that's in the agenda, I'd

1223
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:37,960
have to challenge the chair's decision

1224
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:37,960
on that.

1225
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:41,119
That's that's fine. And do you wish to

1226
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,880
motion motivate why you want to

1227
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:45,440
challenge the chair's position? And do

1228
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,680
you wish to do it as a point of order or

1229
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,599
just a challenge? Well, I'd like to

1230
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,880
challenge and uh and put it to council

1231
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:54,800
to see if they continue to uh um ignore

1232
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,839
information that's on council as far as

1233
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,599
bringing it into the public realm. Um

1234
00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:01,920
because it is there, because it's on the

1235
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:05,200
agenda, we are at liberty to talk about

1236
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:07,599
anything on the agenda, no matter what.

1237
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,800
So whether or not I talk about it now or

1238
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:11,280
whether or not it goes in the

1239
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,800
correspondence is irrelevant. It's

1240
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:16,160
information that's been provided to

1241
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:19,040
us and I would and again I would

1242
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,559
challenge that. Okay. Thank you. Uh

1243
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,400
staff

1244
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:24,480
um mayor. So through you then that would

1245
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,160
be uh you would immediately put that

1246
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:29,160
question of the challenge of your

1247
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:31,440
decision to the council for a vote. Yes.

1248
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:33,760
Agreed. Okay. Do we need a motion and

1249
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,440
second on it or just a just a mo just a

1250
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:38,160
vote?

1251
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:40,800
It's just a vote. Thank you very much.

1252
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,960
Okay. Thank you. Um again, based on

1253
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,839
advice advice from staff, we have a

1254
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:49,520
challenge of of the mayor's position

1255
00:55:44,839 --> 00:55:52,319
that that um it's a a motion earlier

1256
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,680
that it was for information only. Um

1257
00:55:52,319 --> 00:55:55,440
there is a challenge of that. So the

1258
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,880
vote is those in favor of council

1259
00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:01,200
mccllinto please raise your

1260
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,200
hands. Those

1261
00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:07,880
opposed it fails. uh the six of us 51

1262
00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:11,839
with councelor Marshall, councelor

1263
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:14,200
Sanjief me Jones, councelor Mconi and

1264
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:18,160
councelor stock in

1265
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:20,440
opposition. Thank you. So we move on to

1266
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:23,920
any further

1267
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:27,119
questions. Um okay, I'll move forward

1268
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:29,920
and sorry.

1269
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:31,760
Oh, sorry, didn't see you. uh through

1270
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,240
the chair just following up uh with

1271
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:38,640
councelor uh mccllintok's uh question

1272
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:42,640
and uh uh m Mary stoer's very balanced

1273
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:45,920
answer um which is good uh there there's

1274
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:49,040
the enforcement part as well and uh

1275
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:52,960
right now um just to reiterate that we

1276
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:55,839
only act uh in terms of complaints uh

1277
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:58,960
from the public uh and in terms of

1278
00:56:55,839 --> 00:57:03,119
consultation with uh short-term rental

1279
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:07,040
um uh group, we would um we would invite

1280
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:09,839
their um their input um and and and make

1281
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:11,920
sure that they're not feeling like uh

1282
00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:15,680
they're going to be we're taking names

1283
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:17,760
and and and and faces at meetings uh for

1284
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:20,880
enforcement. Uh we want to hear from

1285
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:23,040
them. So uh that's how we would uh treat

1286
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,400
that engagement as collaborative. So

1287
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:28,000
just wanted to add that. Thank you very

1288
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:31,040
much, council. Further questions?

1289
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,480
Councelor Marshall? Uh, I just have one

1290
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,960
question. It's a really simple question.

1291
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:37,200
Uh, page

1292
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:38,480
375, the last bullet point there. When

1293
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,240
we're talking about housing and

1294
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,000
community, it just says requiring a

1295
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,680
minimum 10% of total of any proposed

1296
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,520
Bearland or strata single family

1297
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,720
residential subdivisions are affordable

1298
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:50,400
housing lots as defined by the North

1299
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,760
Sanich dot dot dot. I think it's

1300
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,799
probably the housing needs assessment,

1301
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,240
but I'm not sure because there's

1302
00:57:52,799 --> 00:57:56,079
something missing there. So, can we just

1303
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:58,400
clarify what that document is? Thank

1304
00:57:56,079 --> 00:57:58,400
you.

1305
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,920
I I would agree with that. There's

1306
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:08,160
definitely something behind those dots.

1307
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:10,240
So, uh that would be it. You are

1308
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:13,839
correct.

1309
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:16,000
Thank you. Further questions. I'll put

1310
00:58:13,839 --> 00:58:18,240
up a a question. It's on one of my

1311
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:21,119
favorite topics. Uh staff, would you

1312
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:24,119
wish to comment on any housing on the

1313
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:24,119
airport?

1314
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:32,160
Uh yes uh thank you uh through the

1315
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:34,920
chair. Uh just to follow up uh with uh

1316
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:38,880
Mary's comments as well. Uh we have

1317
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:43,880
included we have included um policy in

1318
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:49,520
the OCP that uh that reflects um

1319
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:54,720
um suggestions andor um requirements uh

1320
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:56,960
for the airport. uh in terms of um

1321
00:58:54,720 --> 00:59:00,640
uh contributing to solving our our

1322
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:02,559
housing issues uh here in North Sanage.

1323
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:06,400
Uh there is some general policy in the

1324
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:09,040
OCP right now. Um staff have gone over

1325
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,839
uh the airport in in quite a bit of

1326
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:14,640
detail.

1327
00:59:10,839 --> 00:59:16,760
Um it is a very complex

1328
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,960
uh issue dealing with

1329
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:21,200
multi-jurisdictional entities in North

1330
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,040
Sanage. um not just the airport and

1331
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,920
federal government but with the province

1332
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:28,640
and and the ferry terminal and we've met

1333
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:31,920
with both parties uh and we've got input

1334
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:36,680
from both parties uh with regard to um

1335
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:40,240
uh um getting feedback. So we have some

1336
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:42,240
um uh some information uh that's in the

1337
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:44,720
latter part of the OCP in terms of

1338
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:49,079
general policy but that is all that we

1339
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,079
have uh put in so far.

1340
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:53,839
Um, a question arising out of that, um,

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00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,839
have you, unless it's an inc camera

1342
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:57,599
issue, have you received any legal

1343
00:59:55,839 --> 01:00:00,079
opinions with regard to whether or not

1344
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:02,119
the airport can or cannot build housing

1345
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:04,319
on the the pro on their

1346
01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:08,799
land? But remember, if it's if it's an

1347
01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:15,599
inc camera issue, just say, yeah. Um,

1348
01:00:08,799 --> 01:00:18,480
yes. Uh we have and uh uh our um our

1349
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:21,440
legal opinion has been yes uh we can

1350
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:23,359
include information like that in the OCP

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01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:26,640
as other communities have started doing

1352
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:28,559
that throughout the province. Uh so um

1353
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:33,280
we've been given some examples of that.

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01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:35,119
So, uh yeah, that that is um that that

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01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:37,920
is one of the things that I needed to

1356
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:40,400
get some pre preliminary confirmation on

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01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,960
as we build this OCP because it is very

1358
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:47,119
very important and the airport is uh a

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01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:49,280
very important partner in our community.

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01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:51,680
Okay, another question arising out of

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01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:55,559
that. Would staff consider putting a DP

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01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,559
on the airport in the OCP?

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01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,200
uh through the

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01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:10,240
chair. Yes, I think we would consider

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01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:13,880
that if it was um a motion from council.

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01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:18,960
uh we would uh do some investigation on

1367
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:21,520
um what kind of controls or influence we

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01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:24,319
could have with regard to form and

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01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:27,280
character through the LGA

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01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:30,640
uh on the uh federal property on the

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01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:32,960
airport based on that legal opinion.

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01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,480
Thank you. Okay. Ju just a comment. I'm

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01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,280
not going to be doing a motion tonight,

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01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:40,000
but you may see a

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01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:41,680
motion at a future council meeting. Uh,

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01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,440
so any further questions or questions

1377
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:46,079
arising out of discussion? Sorry, before

1378
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:48,480
I do that, um, staff, good evening,

1379
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:50,000
mayor and council and to the chair. Um

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01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,440
just wanted to clarify on the previous

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01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:55,680
comment about um page

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01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:58,000
375 the uh um councelor Marshall's

1383
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,960
question and the clarity about what was

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01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:04,960
missing in that and with that bullet

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01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:08,240
under after the housing needs report.

1386
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:09,839
Um I I'll have to go figure out what

1387
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,160
what's missing through the chair if

1388
01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:13,440
that's okay. I think I think it was too

1389
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,960
but I don't have it right in front of

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01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,000
me. Apologies. I thought I just didn't

1391
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,680
hear it and we were going to that could

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01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:20,160
have been an amendment for for this for

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01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:23,319
tonight but we can also do that at a pre

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01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:27,280
at a at a subsequent meeting. So thank

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01:02:23,319 --> 01:02:29,920
you and councelor Sanji. Thank you chair

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01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:33,920
to the chair. Um thank you first of all

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01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:36,640
for the report that is in front of us.

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01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:40,160
Um I think it's quite a good document

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01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:43,839
that we have have and it's seen that

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01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:45,839
it's uh quite devote uh dedicated

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01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:49,280
towards agriculture and environment

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01:02:45,839 --> 01:02:52,880
policy which is wonderful to see. Um my

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01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:57,760
question is with regards to page 393

1404
01:02:52,880 --> 01:03:00,880
there is a table on page 393 table B and

1405
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:03,520
on page 394 there is another table as

1406
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:07,520
well. Uh in terms of the housing

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01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:10,200
targets, the two of them have a total of

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01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:14,359
different numbers. One is

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01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:17,839
2,493, the other one is

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01:03:14,359 --> 01:03:21,280
2,694. Just wanted to know, one of them

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01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:23,680
refers to a report from

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01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:27,520
uh the district's 2020 housing needs

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01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:31,599
report, which is already 5 years old. Um

1414
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:34,599
is it still relevant to have it here?

1415
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:38,400
uh through the chair. So um that

1416
01:03:34,599 --> 01:03:38,400
first table

1417
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:46,079
B. So that table is the inter is the the

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01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:48,960
required number of housing units for the

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01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:51,280
interterm housing needs report using the

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01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,960
provincial methodology the updated one

1421
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,760
that we are required to do. So that was

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01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:58,640
their most recent one that came before

1423
01:03:54,760 --> 01:04:02,520
you maybe was it in the fall. Um the

1424
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:07,640
second table uh is actually our

1425
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:11,680
anticipated well basically the number of

1426
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:13,400
um units from the new designations that

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01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:16,319
are contained in the

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01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:18,319
OCP with the only exception being that

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01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:20,480
there are many more accessory dwelling

1430
01:04:18,319 --> 01:04:22,079
units that would be feasible. This this

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01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,640
column for accessory residential

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01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:27,680
dwellings is what we think will

1433
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:29,839
transpire which is about 20 per year.

1434
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:32,720
Whereas the other ones talks about how

1435
01:04:29,839 --> 01:04:35,039
many units could be contained in the new

1436
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:37,760
designations of multif family, the new

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01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:41,319
designation of attached ground oriented

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01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:44,880
and then uh the exist the the um

1439
01:04:41,319 --> 01:04:47,119
possible new single family lots. So it

1440
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:49,119
one was provided by our inume housing

1441
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:51,200
needs report following the current

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01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:53,440
provincial methodology and the other is

1443
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:56,880
the representation of the units just to

1444
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:58,799
recap that are now currently designated

1445
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,039
with that one exception of the uh

1446
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:03,039
accessory dwelling.

1447
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:06,880
Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank

1448
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:09,839
you council. Further questions?

1449
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:13,079
No further questions then I look for a

1450
01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:16,559
motion based on staff recommendation

1451
01:05:13,079 --> 01:05:19,359
and council second to councelor Sanjief.

1452
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:20,960
Council kunky. Thank you chair. I'd like

1453
01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:22,799
to make the recommendation that council

1454
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,720
give first reading to the revised north

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01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:29,000
senate proposed north senate official

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01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:32,000
community plan bylaw number 1587 bracket

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01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:35,559
2025 attached as appendix A of staff

1458
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,559
report PCS-25-013.

1459
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:43,280
Thank you. Any further questions?

1460
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:45,119
Since it's a reading, are we supposed to

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01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:48,480
read the whole document as part of the

1462
01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:52,319
council? Sorry.

1463
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:52,319
Nice try. We'll be here until tomorrow

1464
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:57,200
morning. Okay, put me off. So, any

1465
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:58,119
further questions? No further questions.

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01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,960
Those in

1467
01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:06,799
favor? Those opposed?

1468
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:06,799
Motion carries 51 with the council in

1469
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:13,119
opposition. Now we move on to the next

1470
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:15,520
item and staff tell me which is next

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01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:18,160
item by name.

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01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:19,559
Mr. Mayor, it's the food hub. Food hub.

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01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:24,160
Thank

1474
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:27,160
you. I will find it. So question. Okay.

1475
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:29,520
So staff, anything to

1476
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:32,319
add? Nope. We'll just wait for people to

1477
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,319
leave.

1478
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:39,240
It's okay. Mary leaving.

1479
01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:53,300
[Laughter]

1480
01:06:56,740 --> 01:07:00,550
[Laughter]

1481
01:07:02,359 --> 01:07:06,359
just by

1482
01:07:12,010 --> 01:07:19,520
[Laughter]

1483
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:21,520
Okay, stop.

1484
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,200
Yes. Uh, I believe Barb Bob Barb is

1485
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,839
joining us on the screen here and I

1486
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:29,319
believe Barb is going to speak to this

1487
01:07:25,839 --> 01:07:29,319
um tonight.

1488
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:43,720
Bob, anything you want to comment?

1489
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:43,720
You're muted right now.

1490
01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:51,039
Sorry, I've got unstable internet here.

1491
01:07:48,799 --> 01:07:54,880
No, I've got um the staff report before

1492
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:55,920
you um really lays out uh quite well um

1493
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,000
uh the information that we've

1494
01:07:55,920 --> 01:08:00,960
accumulated to date uh with a number of

1495
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:02,880
our recommendations and uh given my

1496
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:06,079
internet access here, I'll uh I'll let

1497
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:08,079
Ben uh director of infrastructure add to

1498
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:10,240
it if he feels uh anything else needed

1499
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:13,599
to uh to be added to the report. Thank

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01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:15,799
you. Thank you, Ben.

1501
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:19,839
Thank you, Mayor and Council.

1502
01:08:15,799 --> 01:08:22,239
Um yes, just that what a what um what a

1503
01:08:19,839 --> 01:08:26,000
what a wonderful opportunity to discuss

1504
01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:28,880
um um and oftent times the devil's in

1505
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:30,600
the details. Um there is quite a bit of

1506
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:33,679
information that Barb's provided in the

1507
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:37,279
report and uh we're happy I'm happy to

1508
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:38,799
to answer further questions and also um

1509
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:41,279
provide further information for any

1510
01:08:38,799 --> 01:08:43,600
discussion that might happen here.

1511
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:46,480
Thank you. Okay, council council

1512
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:48,400
Marshall.

1513
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:49,600
Okay, I'll start us off uh through you

1514
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:53,040
chair of staff. First of all, thank you

1515
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:55,359
very much um for the report. Uh I think

1516
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,960
like our acting CEO has said it's um

1517
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:57,920
very thorough. So I appreciate all the

1518
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,480
information. I appreciate the

1519
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:02,000
information that you shared from Central

1520
01:08:59,480 --> 01:09:03,279
Sanich's feasibility study and sanit's

1521
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:06,239
feasibility study from those

1522
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:08,239
consultants. Um I've also been involved

1523
01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:09,839
as many of us have with the community

1524
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:12,480
engagement through the agricultural and

1525
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:14,480
food security committees. the uh mayor's

1526
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:16,719
working groups when we talked about

1527
01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:18,080
agriculture and had um many different

1528
01:09:16,719 --> 01:09:20,560
sessions with communities and with the

1529
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:23,120
farmers and um producers in the in the

1530
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:24,880
community. So I myself um although I

1531
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:27,520
appreciate the opportunity for another

1532
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:30,000
feasibility study, I myself will not

1533
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:32,640
support that. Um I think we've had

1534
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:34,719
plenty of engagement with the community.

1535
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,480
I think we can uh speak specifically to

1536
01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:38,719
farmers and producers if we feel we need

1537
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:39,920
a bit more information from them. Um but

1538
01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:41,839
myself, I think we have plenty of

1539
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:44,080
information here. I know that we've had

1540
01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:45,920
presentations from um groups that

1541
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,520
actually currently have food hubs.

1542
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,120
They've come to the agricultural

1543
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:51,120
committee and other committees have been

1544
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:53,920
invited to go to those locations as

1545
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:55,840
well. Um so I I'll just start us off on

1546
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,600
on that. But um I'm happy with the

1547
01:09:55,840 --> 01:10:01,440
report other than I I won't support

1548
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:04,080
another feasibility study. Thank you.

1549
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:04,080
Council

1550
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:12,760
questions Sanjief. Thank you, chair. Um,

1551
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:17,520
I'm going

1552
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:19,760
to motivate towards an different motion

1553
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,220
or recommendation. Speak into the mic,

1554
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:24,040
please. Sure. Thank

1555
01:10:21,220 --> 01:10:27,360
[Laughter]

1556
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:29,920
you. So, um, first of all, thank you for

1557
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:33,199
the report. Uh, it's taken almost a year

1558
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:36,000
to get it to the this particular rubrics

1559
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:38,000
to be formed. Uh thanks to the members

1560
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:40,880
of the agriculture and food security

1561
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:43,640
advisory committee to staff Barb Ben and

1562
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:47,679
Stephanie without fail the generous

1563
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:49,840
proposal of donation by Greg and Diane

1564
01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:51,920
uh for moving this project forward.

1565
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:54,400
That's my first uh thank you to

1566
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:57,040
everyone. What I would like to see if

1567
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:59,199
possible is that in conjunction with the

1568
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:01,760
agriculture advisory committee develop

1569
01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:03,920
the survey questions for the food hub in

1570
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:07,360
preparation for the start of the North

1571
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:10,080
Sanage farmers market on June 7th which

1572
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:12,800
is taking place very soon. uh that would

1573
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:15,679
act as a precursor to engaging

1574
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:18,800
interviews with farmers uh where there

1575
01:11:15,679 --> 01:11:20,679
is an active ongoing farming on ALR land

1576
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:23,440
and as was mentioned by councelor

1577
01:11:20,679 --> 01:11:26,080
Marshall we have already engaged the

1578
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:28,800
farmers in different platforms there has

1579
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:30,719
been the mock pack where the farmers

1580
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:33,199
were engaged with there was a specific

1581
01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:36,320
event that took place where there were

1582
01:11:33,199 --> 01:11:40,560
over uh for 62 people attended that

1583
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:44,080
event 42 of them were farmer farmers and

1584
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:47,440
they all had expressed a strong support

1585
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:50,080
and need for a food hub. So I think

1586
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:51,600
keeping that in mind I don't I agree

1587
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:54,320
that we don't need to do another

1588
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:57,679
physibility study. There is enough data

1589
01:11:54,320 --> 01:12:00,159
already out there that we can embark on.

1590
01:11:57,679 --> 01:12:03,360
So that's my first comment and I would

1591
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:05,679
conquer that we don't need to do another

1592
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:07,440
physibility study. I'll stop for now and

1593
01:12:05,679 --> 01:12:11,640
then see if anyone has got something

1594
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:11,640
else to say. Uh, council.

1595
01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:19,480
Yes, thank you. Uh, through your staff,

1596
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:23,360
I just have a few questions, please.

1597
01:12:19,480 --> 01:12:26,280
Um, we talk about small and medium-sized

1598
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:29,120
agricultural producers.

1599
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:31,760
Um, do we have an do we have an estimate

1600
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:33,600
on how many um how many we've talked to

1601
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,760
or how many fall into that category in

1602
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:38,640
the district of North Sage and how many

1603
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:40,880
have uh come forward and expressed an

1604
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:44,080
interest in this type of thing. Uh

1605
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:46,440
staff, do you know the numbers?

1606
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:48,800
Sure, I can speak to that.

1607
01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:49,800
Um thank you councelor and through the

1608
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:52,080
chair.

1609
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:54,000
Um that's a great question and something

1610
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,640
that staff focused in on right away. So

1611
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:59,679
if you read through the the uh the uh

1612
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:01,120
the phase one um criteria in the in the

1613
01:12:59,679 --> 01:13:03,840
in the donor document and the generous

1614
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:05,520
donor document it does envision a

1615
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,080
certain size of farmer where the service

1616
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:10,159
would be

1617
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:12,080
um most valuable most used and it spoke

1618
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:14,880
to a small to mediumsiz farm with 10

1619
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:16,239
acres or less. So we were curious and as

1620
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:18,719
presented in the report how many of

1621
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:20,960
those farmers are here? Um so that's

1622
01:13:18,719 --> 01:13:23,360
part of um I know I know the reluctance

1623
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:25,520
with the with the full blown feasibility

1624
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:27,520
study. I can understand that very much.

1625
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,520
Um staff are ultimately here to support

1626
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,360
mayor and council's decisions. But that

1627
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:34,400
was one of the questions that staff had

1628
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:38,679
about of those 105 I think there's 125

1629
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:38,679
folios with 105

1630
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:45,760
um that are less than 10 acres. Um so so

1631
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:47,199
that would be something that could be

1632
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,600
determined about how many of those

1633
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:51,760
property owners um are specifically

1634
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:54,080
interested in the service. So yes, sorry

1635
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:57,040
long-winded question, councelor Clint.

1636
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:59,679
We believe there's about 105 folios that

1637
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,679
would fit in that

1638
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:08,120
category. Council mint, do you have a

1639
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:08,120
follow-up question? Sorry. Yes.

1640
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:19,199
Um, you're on mute.

1641
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:21,040
Yes, I am. I'm sorry about that, Chair.

1642
01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:23,800
Uh, thank you, Mr. Martin, for that.

1643
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:27,520
The, uh, so we have approximately

1644
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:31,600
105 businesses that might be might show

1645
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:33,800
an interest in this. The um, population

1646
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:36,480
in the district of North Sanage is over

1647
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:38,000
12,000. Are those 12,000 people, how

1648
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:40,480
have they been um, how have they been

1649
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:42,640
solicited? and how um have they has it

1650
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:46,600
been made very clear as to what this

1651
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:50,480
would end up costing them to support

1652
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:54,199
um um this particular um enterprise of a

1653
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:56,400
food hub. Um contrary to the other

1654
01:14:54,199 --> 01:14:58,719
counselors, I don't believe that we do

1655
01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:01,440
that we have enough information

1656
01:14:58,719 --> 01:15:03,440
especially before me today. Um and I

1657
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:05,920
again I'm I'm very careful about what I

1658
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:08,640
refer to on in this agenda as to what I

1659
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:10,880
can talk about but uh what I uh what I

1660
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,480
see on this particular agenda item I

1661
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,640
don't see enough to make you satisfied

1662
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:18,080
that uh this is the the approach to go

1663
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:21,280
especially with the enormous cost. So um

1664
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:23,120
we what has been done as far as the um

1665
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:25,199
to reaching out to the general community

1666
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:28,199
the taxpayers of this community support

1667
01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:28,199
this

1668
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:34,280
stuff. Thank you uh councelor mccllintok

1669
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:36,719
and to the chair.

1670
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:38,880
Um there's a lot in that question and

1671
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:42,320
perhaps I can start with offering uh

1672
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:45,120
Barb's knowledge just about um there has

1673
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:47,360
been um adjacent feasibility studies

1674
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:49,920
that are quite comprehensive that were

1675
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:52,320
reviewed by staff and in terms of the

1676
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:56,400
cost that that's to be determined cost

1677
01:15:52,320 --> 01:16:00,960
and cost benefit. Um Barb has done some

1678
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:03,199
um high level um analysis on that. Barb,

1679
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:06,840
are you able to provide a bit of

1680
01:16:03,199 --> 01:16:06,840
information about that?

1681
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:11,760
Yeah, I think there's a, you know, I I

1682
01:16:09,679 --> 01:16:13,840
took the reports um that Central Sanage

1683
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:16,480
and Sanage did on their feasibility and

1684
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:18,320
tried to extrapolate that into uh what

1685
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:20,560
we know of the North Sanage farmers and

1686
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:22,719
there's a lot of assumptions in those

1687
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:25,199
reports and I don't know that those

1688
01:16:22,719 --> 01:16:28,080
resumptions uh translate over to North

1689
01:16:25,199 --> 01:16:29,920
Sanage. Um, so I, you know, it it

1690
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:32,800
doesn't paint a very pretty picture, but

1691
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:34,000
I wouldn't rely on that 100%. Um, and I

1692
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,840
wouldn't put that in front of council

1693
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:38,640
for them to base their decision on it,

1694
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:41,760
which is, um, why I think we need a

1695
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:44,000
feasibility study uh, a needs analysis

1696
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:47,760
to really understand what the farmers of

1697
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:50,480
North Sanich um, are interested uh, in

1698
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:52,960
uh, in terms of a food hub um, you know,

1699
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:55,199
um, service that could be offered by the

1700
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:57,199
district.

1701
01:16:55,199 --> 01:16:59,360
Thank you, staff. I don't know if that's

1702
01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:01,520
helpful or not, but that's okay. That's

1703
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:03,600
what I have at the moment,

1704
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:08,960
staff.

1705
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:12,480
Um, yeah, thank you. Thanks, Barb. Um

1706
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:15,199
um perhaps I'll um just um and through

1707
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:17,120
the chair, perhaps I'll just respond to

1708
01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:18,800
some further questions from council.

1709
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,880
What I'm hearing is that there's a

1710
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:23,360
desire for some level of a needs

1711
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:25,760
analysis and that was in inferred to

1712
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:28,800
from councelor Shiva Stava about a

1713
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:30,800
survey um that survey could possibly be

1714
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:33,040
expanded to some capacity to capture

1715
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:34,640
some of these folio users and I'm

1716
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:36,719
hearing about a project plan and a

1717
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:39,840
timeline that are of interest. So I'm

1718
01:17:36,719 --> 01:17:42,159
I'm I'm here to listen more to to the

1719
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:44,400
mayor and council discussion. Thank you,

1720
01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:46,239
councelor Sanji, councelor Scott, then

1721
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:48,560
councelor Marshall

1722
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:51,520
through the chair. Uh just uh I'm

1723
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:54,719
looking at stats from 2021 and some of

1724
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:57,199
the data that was been acquired by South

1725
01:17:54,719 --> 01:18:01,120
Vancouver Island Farmers Association.

1726
01:17:57,199 --> 01:18:05,920
There are 41 farms that were registered

1727
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:09,920
by with CRA under 10 acres. uh for of

1728
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:13,360
the 41 that were under 10 acres when the

1729
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:16,560
mock pack uh had a farmers engagement we

1730
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:19,600
had 19 farms being represented at that

1731
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:21,840
point of which majority of them were in

1732
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:24,560
favor of having a food hub. So that's

1733
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:27,040
just one part that I wanted to make make

1734
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:29,840
a point on. Thank you. Thank you

1735
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:33,920
councelor Stark. Uh yes, thank you chair

1736
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:36,400
through you uh to staff and and just

1737
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:38,719
general comment as well. I think that

1738
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:41,760
what this Thank you very much for the

1739
01:18:38,719 --> 01:18:44,719
report. It's I think it's really uh well

1740
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:48,640
done and I I like all the information

1741
01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:51,120
from the central Sanich uh uh study as

1742
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:54,480
well as Sanich's study. But I think the

1743
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:58,239
reason that staff is recommending to us

1744
01:18:54,480 --> 01:19:02,400
that there needs to be maybe one other

1745
01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:04,880
sort of link in the chain here is that

1746
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:08,400
Central Sanage's study didn't result in

1747
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:10,480
a food hub. That's one. Two, there have

1748
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:14,679
been other studies and there's now two

1749
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:17,360
food hubs in the CRD. Right. So then

1750
01:19:14,679 --> 01:19:19,120
three, I think what you're saying and I

1751
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:22,159
may I just want to clarify that through

1752
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:25,719
the charitative stuff is that three then

1753
01:19:22,159 --> 01:19:30,080
is okay, what do our farmers need and

1754
01:19:25,719 --> 01:19:31,920
want because we haven't I mean I don't

1755
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:34,640
think we've really determined that and

1756
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:37,840
there are two food hubs. Central San's

1757
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:39,840
study didn't result in a food hub. May

1758
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:42,159
you know do we need to get together with

1759
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:44,080
Central Sanage for instance? I think

1760
01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:47,120
that's maybe what Ms. Webster is

1761
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:50,480
speaking about to have one that would

1762
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:52,960
benefit both farming communities who are

1763
01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:54,800
both both Central Sanche and North Sanch

1764
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,880
have large quite large farming

1765
01:19:54,800 --> 01:20:01,199
communities. Now, I know there may be a

1766
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:06,040
time um uh sort of that we're under some

1767
01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:08,480
type of a time uh exigency, but I I

1768
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:10,400
just, you know, I'm not against doing

1769
01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:12,400
further analysis, but I do agree with

1770
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:14,880
Council and Marshall that we have had a

1771
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:18,080
lot of analysis, but I think that what

1772
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:21,760
you're saying I got on page three of

1773
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:25,040
your report, which is page 125 in our in

1774
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:27,920
our binder, uh which talks about what

1775
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:32,400
I've just said. One, two, and three. So,

1776
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:35,040
I I'm kind of not um not quite decided

1777
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:38,360
what we need to do and I know we do have

1778
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:41,760
the funding at least to begin or to

1779
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:43,360
commence from the gift proposal. So,

1780
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:46,159
thank you very much, chair. Thank you.

1781
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:47,600
Thank you, Council Marshall. Uh yeah,

1782
01:20:46,159 --> 01:20:49,760
just a couple things I guess to add to

1783
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:52,960
that. Um, just as a bit of background, I

1784
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:54,239
might have my math incorrect, but uh, I

1785
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:56,239
think in this district, we've been

1786
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:58,080
talking about a food hub for 15 years if

1787
01:20:56,239 --> 01:20:59,120
I don't have that incorrect. I know

1788
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,679
we've been speaking about it for at

1789
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:03,280
least five. So, this is not a new idea.

1790
01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:04,880
Certainly not something that a number of

1791
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:07,040
people that are non-farmers came up with

1792
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:09,199
and thought we needed to do. So, I think

1793
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:11,199
we are aware it is something uh that we

1794
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:12,880
need in the district. Certainly from all

1795
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:14,640
the engagement that we have done, I like

1796
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,640
the idea of doing a further survey to

1797
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:18,159
kind of identify additional needs. I

1798
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:20,000
also do want to point out and again

1799
01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:22,239
thank you very much to the donor for

1800
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,880
donating that the money to do this. This

1801
01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:26,560
is also someone who is a farmer, right?

1802
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:28,880
He's a farmer in this district and that

1803
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:30,719
is his background. So I I'm going to

1804
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,239
have some faith that he has spoken to

1805
01:21:30,719 --> 01:21:33,600
the community members. I know he has and

1806
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:35,440
other farmers and producers and

1807
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,920
understands this is something that is

1808
01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:40,159
required and needed. So we are getting

1809
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:42,080
that from a reputable source as well

1810
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:43,679
that has that knowledge. I like the

1811
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:46,719
survey idea certainly to find out the

1812
01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:49,120
needs and and just to be clear in sort

1813
01:21:46,719 --> 01:21:51,440
of what councelor Stock was saying is

1814
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:53,280
for me when I read feasibility study um

1815
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:55,040
as a consultant hiring a consultant to

1816
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,480
do a full feasibility study I am not

1817
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,560
going to support I don't think that is

1818
01:21:56,480 --> 01:22:00,560
what we need. I could understand finding

1819
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:02,800
further needs for farmers and certainly

1820
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:05,679
the costing piece of it. So I but I

1821
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:07,520
would I would hope and have faith that

1822
01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:10,080
our staff would be able to come up with

1823
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:11,520
what is the cost of servicing a food hub

1824
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,719
that's a thousand square feet which is

1825
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,719
sort of what we're talking about for the

1826
01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:16,400
first phase. So I don't I I certainly

1827
01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:18,560
agree that we need that information but

1828
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:20,400
I don't count that as a full feasibility

1829
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:22,239
study. So I would support more

1830
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:26,320
information around farmers needs from a

1831
01:22:22,239 --> 01:22:26,320
survey and also that costing piece of

1832
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:33,679
it council further questions.

1833
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:36,400
No questions.

1834
01:22:33,679 --> 01:22:39,520
Oh, it's councelor stock. Councelor

1835
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:41,280
Sanji, do you want You go ahead. All

1836
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:44,560
right. No, I was just going to say yes.

1837
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:48,159
I I concur with what councelor Marshall

1838
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:50,480
says. I I but I do think that that's

1839
01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:52,800
what we're what it's not a full

1840
01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:55,040
feasibility study but something where we

1841
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:57,040
need to know what the needs are what the

1842
01:22:55,040 --> 01:23:02,800
costs would be for the thousand square

1843
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:07,760
foot uh one to begin with and and also

1844
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:10,400
you know what um what exactly are the

1845
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:12,719
benefits uh for farmers. I mean, I know

1846
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:16,159
we all we we have been speaking about it

1847
01:23:12,719 --> 01:23:18,520
a long time and I kind of understand

1848
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:21,600
what some of the benefits are, but I

1849
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:24,159
think maybe we need to have that

1850
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:26,560
information as well. And I think we have

1851
01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:28,560
it. It's not something that's it's got

1852
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:33,040
to be somewhere from all the work we've

1853
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:35,840
done. And uh it it's just kind of more

1854
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:38,159
uh direct information so that people can

1855
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:40,880
understand if we're going to do this,

1856
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:44,000
here's the cost, here's what it does,

1857
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:46,320
here's what how many farmers support it.

1858
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:48,159
And I think that's what maybe Miss

1859
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:50,719
Webster wants to comment, but I think

1860
01:23:48,159 --> 01:23:53,520
that's what she means and what staff

1861
01:23:50,719 --> 01:23:57,080
means when they're asking us to do a bit

1862
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:59,520
further analysis. Thank you,

1863
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:02,000
staff. Um staff, do you want to speak

1864
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:04,320
before I go to council?

1865
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:07,199
Okay, council.

1866
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:09,840
Yes. Thank you. Um first of all, I'd

1867
01:24:07,199 --> 01:24:12,239
like to caution council. Let's not be

1868
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:14,360
tempted by the gift make a wrong

1869
01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:17,000
decision and burden our

1870
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:19,520
taxpayers for years to

1871
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:22,000
come. Okay. We only have to look as far

1872
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:23,760
as the financial drain of sand down to

1873
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,360
see how quickly our money can be drained

1874
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:28,159
away.

1875
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:30,480
when we're talking about an exclusive

1876
01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:32,400
group and I fully support agriculture.

1877
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:34,239
So don't get me wrong in in in the way

1878
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:36,920
I'm expressing this. I do support

1879
01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:40,000
agriculture completely.

1880
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:40,679
However, if if our only survey group is

1881
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,880
the

1882
01:24:40,679 --> 01:24:44,840
choir, then we're going to get answers

1883
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:47,360
that are helpful to the

1884
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:50,960
choir. We have to this has this has to

1885
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:53,760
be more broad-based. It's 12,000 people

1886
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:57,440
that I'm thinking about, not the 100 um

1887
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:59,040
and so on um farmers that that could be

1888
01:24:57,440 --> 01:25:01,760
affected by this. And who wouldn't want

1889
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:04,159
to say if the district is going to fund

1890
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:06,040
a food hub, I'm all for it because I'm

1891
01:25:04,159 --> 01:25:09,000
in the business of

1892
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:11,600
farming. What about those other 12,000

1893
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:13,440
people? Let's not forget those. Let's

1894
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:17,679
and again, let's not be tempted by this

1895
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:22,520
gift that we have to act quickly.

1896
01:25:17,679 --> 01:25:22,520
Thank you. Okay. Councelor Sanjief

1897
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:32,040
I've lost all my train of thought.

1898
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:36,159
Um I I think we getting

1899
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:39,040
here acting on a lot of caution rather

1900
01:25:36,159 --> 01:25:41,840
than being pragmatic about what the

1901
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:44,400
needs of the community is. And it has

1902
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:46,400
been pointed out by councelor Marshall

1903
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:49,040
and has been pointed out by several

1904
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:51,440
other former members who have served on

1905
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:54,480
agriculture commissions uh committees

1906
01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:57,679
who have written the subliminal articles

1907
01:25:54,480 --> 01:26:00,560
on the agriculture in the district that

1908
01:25:57,679 --> 01:26:03,840
have all expressed that there is a

1909
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:06,960
critical need for a food herb or and a

1910
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:09,320
requirement in the area. There is a need

1911
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:13,040
for storage. There is need for

1912
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:16,080
processing that has been amplified over

1913
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:19,040
and over again. What another survey what

1914
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:23,120
the physibility study will do or whether

1915
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:26,000
we go and approach 12,500 people. I'm

1916
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:28,560
can at least assume that everybody eats

1917
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:30,639
food. That's the first assumption that

1918
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:32,800
we've got to make. Uh there might be

1919
01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:36,000
those who survive on sunlight which is

1920
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:38,320
great for them. But the reality is that

1921
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:40,639
this is a critical need. There's just

1922
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:44,480
been an article or news article that

1923
01:26:40,639 --> 01:26:46,960
occurred on May 24th, just two days ago,

1924
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:49,440
which talks about food insecurity is

1925
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:51,920
rising in Canada with nearly 10 million

1926
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:54,400
people, including many children worried

1927
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:56,400
about running out of food. This is a

1928
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:59,120
necessity that is coming to light.

1929
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:03,360
Having a food hub which does storage and

1930
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:06,000
in over time may go into processing is a

1931
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:08,960
critical need. I think this is a a time

1932
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:10,520
for us to make bold decisions and

1933
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:13,679
decisions that

1934
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:16,320
are two studies have already shown that

1935
01:27:13,679 --> 01:27:18,320
there is a need for a food hub. for

1936
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:21,440
whatever reason, for land or what have

1937
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:26,880
you, the two districts have not been

1938
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:29,760
able to um go ahead with the process. We

1939
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:32,639
have had several presentations to the

1940
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:34,880
advisory committee to mock committees

1941
01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:37,360
that have all shown that there is a

1942
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:40,480
critical need for it. I would certainly

1943
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:44,080
like to make a proposal if uh not yet.

1944
01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:46,000
Not yet. Okay. So, okay, that's good.

1945
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:49,199
Then I just want to go back to the point

1946
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:51,360
of the needs uh survey. I'm looking for

1947
01:27:49,199 --> 01:27:54,239
what I'm proposing in terms of the

1948
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:56,719
survey is a very simple one as to what

1949
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:58,760
activities the current farmers would

1950
01:27:56,719 --> 01:28:02,719
require. Is it storage? Is it

1951
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:04,960
processing? Is it uh repurposing of the

1952
01:28:02,719 --> 01:28:07,600
product? Will they actually use the

1953
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:10,320
facility or not? at the North Sanage

1954
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:14,320
farmers market every Sunday starting uh

1955
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:16,400
next Sunday Saturday onwards we will

1956
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:19,040
have access to farmers that we can

1957
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:21,360
easily approach and get answers to. So

1958
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:25,040
this is not a lengthy process that we

1959
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:28,719
need to go into. So it's a simple survey

1960
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:30,560
to get if there is a food hover around

1961
01:28:28,719 --> 01:28:33,679
would they use it what kind of

1962
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:36,400
processing do they need simple as that

1963
01:28:33,679 --> 01:28:39,360
draws the line then we go on to the next

1964
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:41,360
stage which is getting uh working

1965
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:45,639
towards the phase one that's right thank

1966
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:50,159
you ma'am before any further questions

1967
01:28:45,639 --> 01:28:53,120
comments I'll give a a comment um what

1968
01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:56,719
I'm looking at plain and simply is is

1969
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:58,320
Is a food hub and needed? I don't know.

1970
01:28:56,719 --> 01:29:00,239
There's a lot of work to be done, a lot

1971
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:02,960
of governance to be done to find out if

1972
01:29:00,239 --> 01:29:05,840
a food hub is required. What we're

1973
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:09,280
looking at here is the first phase of a

1974
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:12,560
number of phases. And the first phase is

1975
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:15,719
do the local farmers actually need

1976
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:19,440
storage and cooling. That's

1977
01:29:15,719 --> 01:29:22,639
it. If we find that the numbers make

1978
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:25,520
sense to do a th00and square feet and we

1979
01:29:22,639 --> 01:29:28,000
move forward on it and there's uptake of

1980
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:31,679
the service we can then look at phase

1981
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:33,520
two which is to expand that service I

1982
01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:35,360
would anticipate but that by the time we

1983
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:37,360
get to a food hub and it's a pure guess

1984
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:39,520
because I'm not a farmer I'm just

1985
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:41,199
looking at this and saying by the time

1986
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:43,440
the district and we got to look after

1987
01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:44,280
the shareholders as count shareholders

1988
01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:47,280
my

1989
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:50,320
apologies the residents of of North

1990
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:53,040
Sanich so that we don't provide a white

1991
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:55,080
elephant for them and by doing this in a

1992
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:57,920
reasoned stage

1993
01:29:55,080 --> 01:30:00,719
process I think we can finally get to

1994
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:02,679
having a food hub here without undue

1995
01:30:00,719 --> 01:30:06,719
risk to our

1996
01:30:02,679 --> 01:30:09,560
taxpayers. So next now councelor Sanjep

1997
01:30:06,719 --> 01:30:11,920
did you wish to put a

1998
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:14,320
motion? Sure. Sorry before that any

1999
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:17,600
matter any sorry any comments questions

2000
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:20,239
arising out of what I've said? Nope.

2001
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:22,960
Okay. Councelor Sanjief.

2002
01:30:20,239 --> 01:30:24,760
Thank you chair. Uh hold your breath. I

2003
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:27,760
hope I get it as

2004
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:29,520
a in conjunction that the council direct

2005
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:31,840
staff in conjunction with the

2006
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:33,760
agriculture food security advisory

2007
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:36,560
committee developed the survey questions

2008
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:38,480
for the food hub in preparation for the

2009
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:40,280
start of the north sanage farmers market

2010
01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:43,440
on June 7th

2011
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:45,520
2025. This would act as a precursor to

2012
01:30:43,440 --> 01:30:47,960
engaging interviewing farmers where

2013
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:51,920
there is an active ongoing farming on

2014
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:54,639
ALRA land. Following the June 7th survey

2015
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:56,800
2025, if required, modify the survey

2016
01:30:54,639 --> 01:31:00,600
questions are posted on the district's

2017
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:04,000
website and mailed to all registered ALR

2018
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:06,440
folios. That's number one. Number two,

2019
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:08,760
direct staff to determine the cost of

2020
01:31:06,440 --> 01:31:12,080
servicing the

2021
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:15,360
92.903 square meters. Um, for

2022
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:18,639
conversion, it's 1,000 square ft of food

2023
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:20,480
hub for cold storage as phase one. The

2024
01:31:18,639 --> 01:31:23,280
report to be brought to the agriculture

2025
01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:26,560
food security advisory committee at the

2026
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:29,600
July 9th meeting to be later on

2027
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:32,560
submitted to the council's July 14th

2028
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:34,560
report. Thank you. Um, is there a motion

2029
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:37,600
with regard to coming forward with

2030
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:39,679
servicing of Yes, that's what it is to

2031
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:41,760
get the cost of servicing. Oh, okay.

2032
01:31:39,679 --> 01:31:46,760
Thank you. Sorry, I missed it. Yeah. Uh,

2033
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:46,760
before I I asked for a second staff.

2034
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:53,679
Yes. Thank you. Thank you, councelor,

2035
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:55,520
for that for that motion. Um uh clearly

2036
01:31:53,679 --> 01:31:58,239
there's a there's a there's motivation

2037
01:31:55,520 --> 01:32:01,159
from mayor and council to to to continue

2038
01:31:58,239 --> 01:32:03,440
developing this and I I I agree that

2039
01:32:01,159 --> 01:32:05,520
there perhaps there can be a project

2040
01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:08,480
plan and timeline

2041
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:11,360
uh initiative also a formalization of a

2042
01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:14,320
needs analysis initiative um balancing

2043
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:17,000
the risk as the mayor mayor and fully

2044
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:20,000
understanding the costs going forward.

2045
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:22,600
Um there is a there is a staff without

2046
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:24,800
getting into more trouble or into it

2047
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:27,040
further. There would be a staff

2048
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:29,920
obligation with that's tied to your

2049
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:31,600
motion counselor. So we we we would need

2050
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,960
to be able to understand our current

2051
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:35,199
portfolio and what would have to be

2052
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:37,440
shifted or removed to try and service

2053
01:32:35,199 --> 01:32:39,880
this motion. Um so that's one thing that

2054
01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:42,480
comes to mind.

2055
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:45,440
Um and then some of the other things in

2056
01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:46,719
terms of executing on some of this um

2057
01:32:45,440 --> 01:32:48,639
there are a lot of variables and

2058
01:32:46,719 --> 01:32:50,560
assumptions that would have to be made.

2059
01:32:48,639 --> 01:32:52,400
Um but those are some of the details

2060
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:55,400
that we could work through going

2061
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:55,400
forward.

2062
01:32:55,760 --> 01:33:00,320
Okay. Um did you wish to add to the mo

2063
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:03,080
motion with regard to the estimates as

2064
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:05,360
being a class A, B, C or

2065
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:08,960
D? Staff, what do you prefer coming

2066
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:11,440
forward with? Exact. Um, if I may, um,

2067
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:14,320
through the chair, trying to specify the

2068
01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:15,600
accuracy of an estimate at this point

2069
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:17,440
when you really don't know where the

2070
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:19,440
site's going to be and site and

2071
01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:22,960
servicing costs are largely dependent on

2072
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:25,679
the site. Again, it's a there's a there

2073
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:27,520
are quite a few variables still. Um, I

2074
01:33:25,679 --> 01:33:29,280
guess we could anchor back to the scope

2075
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:31,520
itself was quite well defined in the

2076
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:36,239
gift proposal. So, that's a real benefit

2077
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:38,400
and that scope is expandable. Um um but

2078
01:33:36,239 --> 01:33:40,400
I think that for the level of the level

2079
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:42,639
of estimate that would be required which

2080
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:44,639
which really would be an in indication

2081
01:33:42,639 --> 01:33:47,360
in nature for the decision makers we

2082
01:33:44,639 --> 01:33:51,880
would have enough information for that.

2083
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:53,840
Okay. Okay. Any before we go for the

2084
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:55,960
second because there was some comments

2085
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:59,440
in between. Do we have a

2086
01:33:55,960 --> 01:34:01,679
second council Marshall? Do you wish to

2087
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:03,760
motivate further or should we just for

2088
01:34:01,679 --> 01:34:06,040
general comments? General. Okay. Any

2089
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:09,280
further

2090
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:11,440
comments? Uh, no further com. Uh,

2091
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:13,000
Councilman Kent. Okay. Yes. I thought

2092
01:34:11,440 --> 01:34:16,080
there was something

2093
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:19,199
coming. No, I I saw a little white hand.

2094
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,199
I thought there's a yellow one

2095
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:26,159
coming. Uh, you're on mute.

2096
01:34:24,159 --> 01:34:28,320
I My comments were thank you very much

2097
01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:31,120
for recognizing the chair. Um, I was a

2098
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:34,000
little slow on the button. Uh as far as

2099
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:37,199
the uh proposal by or this motion is

2100
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:39,520
concerned, would it be um form of a

2101
01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:41,600
number of survey type questions or what

2102
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:44,440
are we going to give staff to move

2103
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:46,960
forward on this? If we are asking

2104
01:34:44,440 --> 01:34:49,440
questions, I think a critical question

2105
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:51,239
might be if we're going out to the

2106
01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:53,520
agricultural

2107
01:34:51,239 --> 01:34:57,679
community, what would they be prepared

2108
01:34:53,520 --> 01:35:00,080
to contribute to the cost of the food?

2109
01:34:57,679 --> 01:35:02,000
uh if if we're if we're um brainstorming

2110
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:03,679
for for questions for a particular

2111
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:06,920
survey if that's where we're going.

2112
01:35:03,679 --> 01:35:06,920
Thank you.

2113
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:13,360
Anyone have a comment?

2114
01:35:10,239 --> 01:35:18,320
Oh, sorry staff. Uh thank you counselor.

2115
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:20,560
And if I may just um inter um offer I

2116
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:23,520
with my review limited review of the

2117
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:26,320
central sanage feasibility study um that

2118
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:29,120
their summary is quite clear about a

2119
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:32,239
lease rate and so obviously if we were

2120
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:34,239
to engage um with some farm operators

2121
01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:37,679
we'd have to understand their need and

2122
01:35:34,239 --> 01:35:40,320
their willingness to rent that space at

2123
01:35:37,679 --> 01:35:43,199
that unit rate. And so that so that and

2124
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:46,560
that is really critical. Um and uh in

2125
01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:48,080
the financials of this service um

2126
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,760
there's also other some interesting

2127
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:52,040
information about the five initial

2128
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:54,560
5-year projections.

2129
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:56,000
Um it it is going to be a subsidized

2130
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:58,639
service and I think everyone's aware of

2131
01:35:56,000 --> 01:36:00,320
that and that's and that would be okay

2132
01:35:58,639 --> 01:36:02,800
as long as we're aware of that level. we

2133
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:05,120
just aren't we don't understand to what

2134
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:07,199
level that would be and that was and

2135
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:08,719
that's some of staff's reluctance um

2136
01:36:07,199 --> 01:36:12,080
with any new service that's being

2137
01:36:08,719 --> 01:36:17,320
considered whether it's this or

2138
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:20,719
um garbage service or any other thing

2139
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:23,040
so if I may comment there where I stand

2140
01:36:20,719 --> 01:36:24,560
on this I think it's worth worthwhile

2141
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:26,719
going forward the motion as it stands

2142
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:28,040
right now because when we're looking at

2143
01:36:26,719 --> 01:36:30,800
with regard

2144
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:32,639
to dollars per square foot and

2145
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:35,760
particularly what type of model would be

2146
01:36:32,639 --> 01:36:37,679
used to operate the thousand square ft.

2147
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:40,159
That would be after we received this

2148
01:36:37,679 --> 01:36:41,639
basic information and that would be by

2149
01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:44,600
separate

2150
01:36:41,639 --> 01:36:47,199
motion. So it's just a

2151
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:50,119
comment. Uh so we have a motion on the

2152
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:53,280
floor. Are there any other comments,

2153
01:36:50,119 --> 01:36:57,560
questions? Council stock. Yes. Thank

2154
01:36:53,280 --> 01:37:01,119
you, chair. Um, is is this motion then

2155
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:03,840
relating only to the first memo, the one

2156
01:37:01,119 --> 01:37:06,400
that I had referred to on the food hub

2157
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:11,040
preliminary feas feasibility update or

2158
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:13,440
is it also relating to the second memo

2159
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:14,440
which is the preliminary feasibility

2160
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:17,280
study

2161
01:37:14,440 --> 01:37:20,480
which talks about options and a

2162
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:23,280
nonprofit enterprise model and

2163
01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:26,159
for-profit enterprise model. I'm just

2164
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:29,360
wondering if it's related to everything

2165
01:37:26,159 --> 01:37:30,960
about the food hub. If if I may, what I

2166
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,080
believe and councelor Sanjie can

2167
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:34,080
certainly tell me if I'm wrong with

2168
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:37,040
this. We're simply looking at the basics

2169
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:38,719
of the thousand square ft. When we look

2170
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:41,600
at the models that you're looking at

2171
01:37:38,719 --> 01:37:44,480
there, yes, it does apply to a full food

2172
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:46,880
hub and at some point which is in the

2173
01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:49,520
very near future after staff comes back

2174
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:52,000
to us with regard to this motion. That's

2175
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:55,360
the questions that will then be part put

2176
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:57,280
to staff in the sense of council would

2177
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:59,840
decide okay look at this model or this

2178
01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:01,719
model or this model we wouldn't we don't

2179
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:04,840
have to do it at this

2180
01:38:01,719 --> 01:38:08,480
point my understanding that's correct

2181
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:10,480
chair so so right now it's just limited

2182
01:38:08,480 --> 01:38:12,400
to the phase one of it it's not looking

2183
01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:14,800
at the different models that are being

2184
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:18,320
projected and in any case the staff

2185
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:19,320
report is the recommendation are only on

2186
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:23,400
page

2187
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:27,719
23. The rest are as attachment

2188
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:27,719
supplementing the report.

2189
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:36,639
Does that help counselor stock?

2190
01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:39,560
Thank you, chair. Yes. Uh I see. Okay.

2191
01:38:36,639 --> 01:38:42,000
Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Any further

2192
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:45,239
questions? I see no further questions. I

2193
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:48,880
look for a motion. Those in

2194
01:38:45,239 --> 01:38:51,360
favor? Those opposed?

2195
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:53,760
Council Stock, I don't see a hand. That

2196
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:57,040
means you're in favor.

2197
01:38:53,760 --> 01:39:01,080
Yes. Okay. Thank you. Uh the motion

2198
01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:03,840
carries. Uh 51 with council mcclentok in

2199
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:05,000
opposition and good discussion guys. I

2200
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:07,679
thank

2201
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:09,760
you. Uh, the next one I believe is a

2202
01:39:07,679 --> 01:39:12,850
decom

2203
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:12,850
[Applause]

2204
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:19,760
stuff. E1.

2205
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:21,080
Yeah, that's I'm assuming. I just want

2206
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:24,960
to make

2207
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:24,960
sure. Okay. ECOM

2208
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:31,679
next. Thank

2209
01:39:28,199 --> 01:39:34,560
you. So, this is ECOM 911 dispatch

2210
01:39:31,679 --> 01:39:36,800
service agreement. Uh, staff, any

2211
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:37,920
comments?

2212
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:39,119
What do you mean no? You've been sitting

2213
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:42,360
there for three hours and you're going

2214
01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:42,360
to say no.

2215
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:47,360
This wasn't my report. I can Steve can

2216
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:48,800
start and I can follow up. Let me just

2217
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:52,560
find the report. Just give me one

2218
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:55,520
second. Oh, thank you.

2219
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:57,199
Uh through the chair. So, um I don't

2220
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:58,800
even have it in front of me because I

2221
01:39:57,199 --> 01:40:00,840
didn't realize I was going to report on

2222
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:05,760
this.

2223
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:09,040
Um so this is a interimm agreement um

2224
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:10,719
for dispatch services through ECOM 911

2225
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:13,040
just to get us through to the end of the

2226
01:40:10,719 --> 01:40:16,239
year I believe and then we can have

2227
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:18,800
further discussions on uh future costs

2228
01:40:16,239 --> 01:40:22,719
and where we're going with this as I

2229
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:25,040
understand it. Oh look there it is.

2230
01:40:22,719 --> 01:40:27,920
I'm I'm back now and I can continue on

2231
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:30,760
Steve unless you want to continue

2232
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:33,360
um through the chair. So

2233
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:35,360
um so there has been some discuss

2234
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:38,719
previous discussions um with this

2235
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:41,280
agreement. Um so now it's now it's here

2236
01:40:38,719 --> 01:40:44,639
at the regular council meeting to to um

2237
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:46,320
to staff seeking direction as to execute

2238
01:40:44,639 --> 01:40:48,480
the interimm agreement which will

2239
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:50,880
provide service services from April 1st

2240
01:40:48,480 --> 01:40:53,520
through to the end of the year. Um, and

2241
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:56,719
there's also um a recommendation to

2242
01:40:53,520 --> 01:41:00,639
engage staff to to further negotiations

2243
01:40:56,719 --> 01:41:02,239
um beyond for services beyond 2025. Um,

2244
01:41:00,639 --> 01:41:06,239
I know there's a lot of questions about

2245
01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:09,360
this um and uh I'll be able to hopefully

2246
01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:13,440
answer most of them as they come. Okay.

2247
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:15,920
Thank you, council. Questions?

2248
01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:17,760
Council Marshall?

2249
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:19,840
Uh, thank you, Chair. Yep. I'll start us

2250
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:22,719
off. I have a few questions and a few

2251
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:24,960
things to say on this particular item.

2252
01:41:22,719 --> 01:41:27,840
Um, first of all, I think what we've

2253
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:29,600
asked as council previously, I believe

2254
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,520
has not been answered and I think that's

2255
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:32,960
alluded to in the report. So, I'm going

2256
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:34,639
to ask it again just to make sure that

2257
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:36,639
I'm I'm correct that we don't actually

2258
01:41:34,639 --> 01:41:38,320
have the answers to. Um, so a question

2259
01:41:36,639 --> 01:41:40,880
that's been asked many times is the fact

2260
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:42,239
that we now as municipality have to pay

2261
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:43,520
for this, but there are municipalities

2262
01:41:42,239 --> 01:41:45,600
in this province that don't pay for

2263
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:47,920
ecom. and we've never really been given

2264
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:50,560
the actual answers as to why. So, I'm

2265
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:52,239
just curious if we if we know that. Um,

2266
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:53,600
we'll start with there and then I'll ask

2267
01:41:52,239 --> 01:41:56,239
the other ones as well. So, I'll give

2268
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:58,239
you a chance to answer. Oh, yeah. Go

2269
01:41:56,239 --> 01:42:00,560
ahead.

2270
01:41:58,239 --> 01:42:02,080
Thank you, counselor, to the chair. My

2271
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:04,800
understanding and obviously I haven't

2272
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:06,480
been following this this uh this file in

2273
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:08,080
my portfolio directly, however, is that

2274
01:42:06,480 --> 01:42:10,960
there are those questions are shared by

2275
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:14,960
other member municipalities and they

2276
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:16,560
haven't been full um fulsomely answered.

2277
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:19,280
Okay, thank you. And then I don't think

2278
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:20,719
we have any clarity on how the fees are

2279
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:21,840
actually calculated. I know there's a

2280
01:42:20,719 --> 01:42:23,119
statement talking about authorized

2281
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:26,000
strength, but I don't think we actually

2282
01:42:23,119 --> 01:42:28,239
have clarity on how the formula has been

2283
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:31,520
utilized.

2284
01:42:28,239 --> 01:42:33,679
Um again to the chair, um I with upon

2285
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:36,000
review of the report, it does speak to

2286
01:42:33,679 --> 01:42:38,639
that there isn't any further detail on

2287
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:41,040
the breakdown of the individual services

2288
01:42:38,639 --> 01:42:43,679
based on size or capacity. And I could

2289
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:46,400
maybe look to look to my counterpart if

2290
01:42:43,679 --> 01:42:48,320
there is if I've missed anything. Yeah,

2291
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:51,600
I'm not aware how it's it's broken down

2292
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:57,199
at this time. So,

2293
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:58,719
okay. Thank you. Um and then and and um

2294
01:42:57,199 --> 01:43:00,400
you'll have to excuse my ignorance on

2295
01:42:58,719 --> 01:43:02,239
this one. So, maybe somebody can help me

2296
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:04,560
out a little bit, but when I look at the

2297
01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:06,320
report, uh it makes reference to RCMP,

2298
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:10,719
authorized strains policing, dispatch

2299
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:13,040
policing. So, we do if you call 911 and

2300
01:43:10,719 --> 01:43:14,400
it's a 911 emergency call, it's going to

2301
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,840
go to a call taker. They're going to ask

2302
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:17,040
you if it's police, fire, ambulance.

2303
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:19,199
Fire is going to go to Siri, fire,

2304
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:21,920
dispatch to pay for ambulance is going

2305
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:24,480
to go to BCHS. Police is going to go to

2306
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:26,400
police call taker. Um, but we have to

2307
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:28,320
pay for that original call taker to

2308
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:30,320
route those calls. And I don't see

2309
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:32,000
anything in this about how much that

2310
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:33,040
costs or if that those costs are

2311
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:35,119
included. So, I don't know if we have

2312
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:38,080
any more clarity on on that or perhaps I

2313
01:43:35,119 --> 01:43:38,080
have that incorrect.

2314
01:43:38,159 --> 01:43:41,920
Um, I'll I'll I'll I'll start and then

2315
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:43,679
Steve can perhaps correct me into the

2316
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:46,320
chair. It's my understanding that that

2317
01:43:43,679 --> 01:43:48,639
that the N Ecom 911 currently will is a

2318
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:51,440
emergency call answer

2319
01:43:48,639 --> 01:43:54,440
um provider and a police dispatch

2320
01:43:51,440 --> 01:43:54,440
service.

2321
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:58,639
And so yeah, so thank you for the

2322
01:43:56,639 --> 01:44:00,719
question previous to to the meeting, but

2323
01:43:58,639 --> 01:44:02,480
yeah. Okay. Thank you. So after all of

2324
01:44:00,719 --> 01:44:03,840
that very painful exchange, I guess what

2325
01:44:02,480 --> 01:44:06,080
I'll say is that none of us really have

2326
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:07,760
no idea what the fee structure is or

2327
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:09,360
what it is we are paying for because

2328
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:10,960
those answers those questions have not

2329
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:12,320
been answered. So we can see even by

2330
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:15,360
this discussion that we're not really

2331
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:18,480
100% sure what we are what we're paying

2332
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:20,719
for. Um so I will be very honest this

2333
01:44:18,480 --> 01:44:22,639
topic um we've talked about as a council

2334
01:44:20,719 --> 01:44:23,920
many times. Many other municipalities

2335
01:44:22,639 --> 01:44:27,199
have talked about it as well and they

2336
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:29,360
have a concern with the cost. ECOM uh

2337
01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:30,880
keeps going up astronomically year after

2338
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:32,800
year. This year the provincial

2339
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:34,880
government ceasing to fund it for our

2340
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:36,080
residents in North Sanage and now we

2341
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:38,320
have to figure out that how that

2342
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:39,920
shortfall lands on us and how we're

2343
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:41,800
actually going to fund it. This is

2344
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:44,560
something that does keep me up at night.

2345
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:46,159
Um I get very concerned when I have to

2346
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:47,840
sit here and make a decision without

2347
01:44:46,159 --> 01:44:51,280
information that's required to make that

2348
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:53,280
decision. I take the responsibility that

2349
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:55,600
the residents have given me by electing

2350
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:57,199
me here very seriously and I'm being

2351
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:59,199
asked to make a decision on something

2352
01:44:57,199 --> 01:45:01,560
where I can't get information that I

2353
01:44:59,199 --> 01:45:03,600
need to make a responsible and prudent

2354
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:05,360
decision. That's very concerning to me

2355
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:07,040
and that's not our staff's fault. They

2356
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:08,119
have worked tirelessly to try to get

2357
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:10,159
answers to

2358
01:45:08,119 --> 01:45:11,760
this. We've asked a variety of

2359
01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:13,199
questions. We're trying to get an

2360
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:14,800
in-depth understanding of funding

2361
01:45:13,199 --> 01:45:16,400
formulas, why the costs have increased,

2362
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:18,880
and what future expenses can be

2363
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:20,400
expected. We do not have a transparent

2364
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:21,400
collaborative process that is allowing

2365
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:24,639
us to do

2366
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:27,760
that. In addition to that, we have also

2367
01:45:24,639 --> 01:45:30,159
been told now that basically we have to

2368
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:32,880
vote yes on this. Otherwise, we have no

2369
01:45:30,159 --> 01:45:34,480
911 service to our residents. And then

2370
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:35,920
we are also told that we would be held

2371
01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:37,440
personally responsible, not as

2372
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:38,760
counselors, but as people. So,

2373
01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:41,760
personally responsible for our

2374
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:44,239
decisions. I have grave concerns about

2375
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:46,880
both of those comments. that's putting

2376
01:45:44,239 --> 01:45:50,239
undue duress and coercion on us to make

2377
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:51,840
a decision as a council. And um I'm

2378
01:45:50,239 --> 01:45:53,840
going to do something that I don't do on

2379
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:55,600
principle. I really don't believe in it.

2380
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:57,119
Um but I'm not really sure why we're

2381
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:59,679
here because we've basically been told

2382
01:45:57,119 --> 01:46:01,920
the answer needs to be yes. Um and I

2383
01:45:59,679 --> 01:46:04,080
cannot make a consionable responsible

2384
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:05,679
decision based on all the information I

2385
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:07,679
have and being told this is what I have

2386
01:46:05,679 --> 01:46:09,360
to do. Vote yes for it. People don't

2387
01:46:07,679 --> 01:46:12,080
have 911 service or you're held

2388
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:13,920
responsible. Uh so I am actually going

2389
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:16,159
to abstain from the vote which on

2390
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:18,480
principle I don't do but I cannot vote

2391
01:46:16,159 --> 01:46:21,199
yes or no on this without the required

2392
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:25,320
information I need to be responsible to

2393
01:46:21,199 --> 01:46:25,320
the citizens who elected me.

2394
01:46:26,719 --> 01:46:32,080
Uh can council mccllintok you did have

2395
01:46:29,199 --> 01:46:35,080
your hand up earlier.

2396
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:35,080
Nope.

2397
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:42,000
Uh yes, I did uh chair and thank you

2398
01:46:38,719 --> 01:46:43,679
very much for recognizing me. Um uh

2399
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:45,719
thank you for your position, Miss uh

2400
01:46:43,679 --> 01:46:47,600
Councelor Marshall. Uh it's very

2401
01:46:45,719 --> 01:46:48,719
principled. However, if you do have

2402
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:50,880
seen, of course, you know, you have to

2403
01:46:48,719 --> 01:46:52,880
leave the room uh when the vote comes.

2404
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:55,880
Now, I'm of the same opinion as uh

2405
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:58,400
council Marshall that

2406
01:46:55,880 --> 01:47:00,800
um there's too many unknowns here and

2407
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:03,040
and anybody on council and anybody in

2408
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:04,760
the district knows I'm very um concerned

2409
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:07,360
when it comes to spending taxpayers

2410
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:08,880
money. So, I will not be abstaining from

2411
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:10,880
the vote. However, I know that under

2412
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:13,360
pressure that um something has to be

2413
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:16,719
done here this evening. My question um

2414
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:20,000
is to fire. Um we're still how much are

2415
01:47:16,719 --> 01:47:23,119
we paying to Siri on top of all this? Uh

2416
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:25,360
three through you to staff

2417
01:47:23,119 --> 01:47:27,760
staff.

2418
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:32,040
I don't have those numbers with me. I

2419
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:32,040
don't know if Barb could help, but

2420
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:40,239
Sorry, I know I don't have that number

2421
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:42,800
in front of me. It's um I Yeah, I don't

2422
01:47:40,239 --> 01:47:44,239
have that at my fingertips. Okay. And

2423
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:46,719
what I'm getting at is we still have to

2424
01:47:44,239 --> 01:47:48,560
pay it on top of this as well. That that

2425
01:47:46,719 --> 01:47:51,040
hasn't gone away as far as our fire

2426
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:53,280
response is concerned. Um, point taken,

2427
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:55,440
Council Marshall. Um, and thank you for

2428
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:58,639
bringing up the points that you did.

2429
01:47:55,440 --> 01:48:01,280
Thank you, Council Stock.

2430
01:47:58,639 --> 01:48:04,239
Uh, yes. Thank you very much, Chair. Uh

2431
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:07,440
I've been at um many of the meetings

2432
01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:11,679
with all council representatives from

2433
01:48:07,440 --> 01:48:14,520
the CRD and is a very difficult issue as

2434
01:48:11,679 --> 01:48:20,000
councelor Marshall has expressed

2435
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:23,920
but I uh feel that uh given our choices

2436
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:27,119
which are really not very good that I'm

2437
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:30,000
going to vote uh yes because otherwise

2438
01:48:27,119 --> 01:48:34,000
people won't have we will not have 911.

2439
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:36,320
won and I remember that's um my father

2440
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:39,600
said that during the war the second

2441
01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:42,280
world war which he was in that sometimes

2442
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:45,440
you have to hold your nose and think of

2443
01:48:42,280 --> 01:48:47,960
Canada and in this case I guess I'll be

2444
01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:54,600
holding my nose and thinking of North

2445
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:57,760
Sanage and the people uh in our uh uh

2446
01:48:54,600 --> 01:49:00,960
community and uh I don't like being put

2447
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:03,440
in this position either but I really I

2448
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:05,360
don't after being at all the meetings uh

2449
01:49:03,440 --> 01:49:08,560
I can honestly tell you and I think

2450
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:11,679
mayor you also were at many of them we

2451
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:13,920
didn't get answers at the mayoral level

2452
01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:16,480
uh either when I was representing the

2453
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:20,400
mayor or when the mayor was there as the

2454
01:49:16,480 --> 01:49:23,280
mayor and so I think it's not just our

2455
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:27,600
issue as council council here but it's a

2456
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:29,280
pro provincewide issue and one where the

2457
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:32,719
communities are saying we don't

2458
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:35,040
understand all all all the communities

2459
01:49:32,719 --> 01:49:37,520
and we don't understand why we're being

2460
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:40,880
assessed all this and we don't really

2461
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:45,440
want to pay it but they've got us over a

2462
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:48,520
barrel which is another uh uh expression

2463
01:49:45,440 --> 01:49:52,159
my father used to use. So

2464
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:56,000
I I am going to vote for this because I

2465
01:49:52,159 --> 01:49:59,440
think we have to. Thank you.

2466
01:49:56,000 --> 01:50:01,520
Thank you, Councilman McConi.

2467
01:49:59,440 --> 01:50:04,159
Uh, thank you, chair, and first off, uh,

2468
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:06,400
through the chair to staff a question.

2469
01:50:04,159 --> 01:50:09,199
Um, we had, um, previous, I believe,

2470
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:11,040
asked for some legal clarification as to

2471
01:50:09,199 --> 01:50:12,960
whether or not the statement made by the

2472
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:14,719
province is that we chose not to sign

2473
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:17,040
this document, we would be held

2474
01:50:14,719 --> 01:50:19,199
personally responsible. Has that legal

2475
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:21,280
advice been provided to staff? Thank

2476
01:50:19,199 --> 01:50:22,480
you.

2477
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:26,000
Thank you for the question and through

2478
01:50:22,480 --> 01:50:28,000
the chair. Um that was that was um

2479
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:30,320
earlier um that was considered earlier

2480
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:32,800
today as well. Um and so I did review

2481
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:35,119
some of the previous council minutes and

2482
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:38,159
camera as well and there was no motion

2483
01:50:35,119 --> 01:50:40,639
to that I could find to engage in that

2484
01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:42,960
legal review. So unfortunately with my

2485
01:50:40,639 --> 01:50:44,639
knowledge I have tonight I can't I can't

2486
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:47,199
tell you if that was pursued but I don't

2487
01:50:44,639 --> 01:50:50,960
think it was.

2488
01:50:47,199 --> 01:50:53,760
Um thank you for that um Mr. Martin. So

2489
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:55,880
um appreciate the comments. Um, I echo a

2490
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:58,560
lot of concerns um from Councelor

2491
01:50:55,880 --> 01:51:00,239
Marshall. I'm incredibly frustrated with

2492
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:03,280
the process to date and the agreement

2493
01:51:00,239 --> 01:51:04,800
that's before us. Um, as councelor

2494
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:07,840
Marshall said, we've been told that if

2495
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:10,000
we don't sign this, we don't have 911

2496
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:11,639
and also the fact that we as counselors

2497
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:13,679
will be personally liable for that

2498
01:51:11,639 --> 01:51:15,600
decision. So, in other words, we're

2499
01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:17,920
being threatened and coerced into

2500
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:20,000
signing this agreement. and I feel like

2501
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:21,440
I've got a gun held to my head and that

2502
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:24,199
my rights to governor are being taken

2503
01:51:21,440 --> 01:51:26,639
away from me. Sign it or

2504
01:51:24,199 --> 01:51:28,080
else. You've answered that we have not,

2505
01:51:26,639 --> 01:51:30,960
to your knowledge, been given legal

2506
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:33,679
advice. So, I have nothing to base the

2507
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:35,440
suggestions made um as to whether or not

2508
01:51:33,679 --> 01:51:37,920
if we do not sign this, we would be

2509
01:51:35,440 --> 01:51:40,080
personally liable. Um and I really feel

2510
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:42,960
that we're being backed into a corner at

2511
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:44,560
the expense of our taxpayers. So, when I

2512
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:46,880
was elected, I did sign an oath of

2513
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:48,960
office. I take it very very seriously

2514
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:51,360
and I cannot in good conscience allow

2515
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:53,440
myself to be held hostage in this manner

2516
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:55,119
and as a result I cannot vote in favor

2517
01:51:53,440 --> 01:51:58,719
of the stack recommendation to execute

2518
01:51:55,119 --> 01:52:00,520
this agreement. Thank you. Thank you.

2519
01:51:58,719 --> 01:52:04,080
Any further

2520
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:07,199
comments? Okay. Based on the temperature

2521
01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:10,840
I'm seeing in the room, I would suggest

2522
01:52:07,199 --> 01:52:13,400
that we break this down

2523
01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:16,000
into four

2524
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:18,719
motions. Okay. Sorry. Before I bring

2525
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:20,239
that forward, staff, sorry, sorry to

2526
01:52:18,719 --> 01:52:22,080
interrupt, mayor and through the chair,

2527
01:52:20,239 --> 01:52:24,880
just a reminder that for any counselors

2528
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:27,480
that are choosing to abstain, I believe

2529
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:29,920
uh procedurally they do have to leave

2530
01:52:27,480 --> 01:52:32,000
the prior to the vote. Is that correct?

2531
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:33,520
I didn't hear that. Sorry. If for any

2532
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:35,760
counselors that are wishing to abstain

2533
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:38,239
from the vote prior to the vote, they'll

2534
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:40,719
have to um exit the exit the room.

2535
01:52:38,239 --> 01:52:42,719
Sorry. Sorry, council. Do you understand

2536
01:52:40,719 --> 01:52:44,320
that? Yeah, that would be me because I

2537
01:52:42,719 --> 01:52:46,639
said I was going to abstain. Um so yeah,

2538
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:48,159
I definitely will once I uh hear what

2539
01:52:46,639 --> 01:52:49,360
the motion is then then I'll leave the

2540
01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:51,760
room. Yes, thank you. Thank you for the

2541
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:54,000
reminder. Thank you. What I would

2542
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:56,080
suggest that we have um again separate

2543
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:58,639
motions and they for them and we go with

2544
01:52:56,080 --> 01:53:00,560
with item one um authorize the mayor and

2545
01:52:58,639 --> 01:53:02,800
CEO to execute the agreement. So there

2546
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:05,199
would be a vote on that. Then item two

2547
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:06,280
would be as said here um direct staff to

2548
01:53:05,199 --> 01:53:08,400
engage in

2549
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:09,920
negotiations and number three direct

2550
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:12,159
staff to explore altering dispatch

2551
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:15,119
services models. And I would add the

2552
01:53:12,159 --> 01:53:18,880
fourth motion or suggest fourth motion

2553
01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:24,679
that um that staff provide legal advice

2554
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:24,679
and report back to uh council ASAP.

2555
01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:30,159
Council Marshall. Uh so if this works

2556
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:32,239
and and through you chair to staff. So

2557
01:53:30,159 --> 01:53:34,320
if motion two, three, and four, if we

2558
01:53:32,239 --> 01:53:36,639
could do those first. Yep. And the first

2559
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:38,400
motion last and then I will uh recuse

2560
01:53:36,639 --> 01:53:40,400
myself for that motion. Thank you.

2561
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:42,960
Correct.

2562
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:44,400
So I can either do the motion. Sorry,

2563
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:46,000
councelor stock before we do them. Or do

2564
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:47,599
you want to wish to do Oh, you're go No,

2565
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:48,880
I was just going to make the motion, but

2566
01:53:47,599 --> 01:53:51,400
Okay. Can you start with motion two

2567
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:55,280
first then, please?

2568
01:53:51,400 --> 01:53:57,280
Certainly. Okay. Uh so I'd like to make

2569
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:59,440
uh the first part of the staff

2570
01:53:57,280 --> 01:54:02,560
recommendation. direct staff to engage

2571
01:53:59,440 --> 01:54:05,280
in negotiations with ECOM and partner

2572
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:08,880
municipalities to develop a long-term

2573
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:12,280
agreement for services beyond 2025.

2574
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:15,159
Okay, thank you. Uh do we have a

2575
01:54:12,280 --> 01:54:18,159
second? Councelor Marshall, any

2576
01:54:15,159 --> 01:54:20,320
comments? Councelor Sanjief through the

2577
01:54:18,159 --> 01:54:23,280
chair. Uh this is a service agreement

2578
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:25,840
that we are seeking. Normally there is a

2579
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:29,199
tender put out whenever we seeking a

2580
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:32,239
service from any type of service. There

2581
01:54:29,199 --> 01:54:34,520
has been no tender put out to say who

2582
01:54:32,239 --> 01:54:37,599
else is competing for this particular

2583
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:40,159
service until we have an option like

2584
01:54:37,599 --> 01:54:42,320
that. I find it difficult to vote for

2585
01:54:40,159 --> 01:54:44,960
this particular motion unless we are

2586
01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:47,199
asking the staff to find out who are the

2587
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:50,320
other service provider or putting in it

2588
01:54:47,199 --> 01:54:53,360
a whatever it's called expression of

2589
01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:57,760
interest towards providing services to

2590
01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:59,599
the uh to the district. Uh I if I may

2591
01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:02,719
comment if I may um what I'm

2592
01:54:59,599 --> 01:55:04,159
anticipating is that um the next I next

2593
01:55:02,719 --> 01:55:06,400
motion which is to direct staff to

2594
01:55:04,159 --> 01:55:08,480
explore to dispatch service models might

2595
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:10,840
fit into the criteria that you're

2596
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:13,920
bringing forward or do

2597
01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:18,320
you does that change your thoughts in

2598
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:20,880
any way? Um as it stands if we are

2599
01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:24,880
already giving a go ahead to a single

2600
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:27,119
process single bidder to the service.

2601
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:29,840
This is no different to what we just

2602
01:55:27,119 --> 01:55:32,480
went through some meetings ago. Okay.

2603
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:34,320
So, okay. Just bring it forward. Council

2604
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:36,719
councelor Stark. Uh, yes. Uh, thank you,

2605
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:38,719
chair. I just wanted to state that there

2606
01:55:36,719 --> 01:55:42,960
isn't another provider. That's the

2607
01:55:38,719 --> 01:55:46,400
issue. There's been no uh other per

2608
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:49,199
company or person or group of companies

2609
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:52,159
or anything come forward. And so, the

2610
01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:56,800
province is also over a barrel for the

2611
01:55:52,159 --> 01:55:59,440
everybody is. And um uh this is why this

2612
01:55:56,800 --> 01:56:04,000
says you know to execute an agreement

2613
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:06,320
with ecom. So in my view uh you know I

2614
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:08,239
agree with that that there should be

2615
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:11,440
some more providers there should be an

2616
01:56:08,239 --> 01:56:13,599
RFP. That's how we normally do things in

2617
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:16,880
government but in this case it's not

2618
01:56:13,599 --> 01:56:19,119
possible or feasible.

2619
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:20,880
Council Marshall. Uh so I would just

2620
01:56:19,119 --> 01:56:22,480
have to clarify. like I'd have to to

2621
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:24,639
look into that, but I believe the North

2622
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:27,639
Island does have a different uh dispatch

2623
01:56:24,639 --> 01:56:27,639
service.

2624
01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:32,960
Yeah.

2625
01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:35,119
Okay. Any further questions? So, we have

2626
01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:36,880
a a motion on the floor which is

2627
01:56:35,119 --> 01:56:39,679
seconded that we direct staff to engage

2628
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:41,199
in negotiations with ECOM and partner

2629
01:56:39,679 --> 01:56:43,920
municipalities to develop a long-term

2630
01:56:41,199 --> 01:56:47,679
agreement for service beyond 2025 and

2631
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:47,679
further. Those in favor of that

2632
01:56:48,280 --> 01:56:54,239
motion? Those opposed. The motion

2633
01:56:51,599 --> 01:56:56,960
carries 42 with councelor Sanjie and

2634
01:56:54,239 --> 01:56:58,960
councelor McConi in opposition. Um

2635
01:56:56,960 --> 01:57:00,639
council councelor stop would you like to

2636
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:03,599
do which is now item three which is

2637
01:57:00,639 --> 01:57:06,800
direct staff to explore. Yes. Thank

2638
01:57:03,599 --> 01:57:08,639
sorry. Thank you chair. Um I would like

2639
01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:11,760
to make staff recommendation number

2640
01:57:08,639 --> 01:57:15,520
three to direct staff to explore alter

2641
01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:20,679
alternative dispatch service models.

2642
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:23,679
Thank you. Second council Sanjief. Um

2643
01:57:20,679 --> 01:57:25,159
comments. No comments. Then we'll look

2644
01:57:23,679 --> 01:57:27,520
for a motion based

2645
01:57:25,159 --> 01:57:32,040
on direct staff to explore alternate

2646
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:32,040
dispatch service models. Those in favor?

2647
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:37,560
Any opposed? Nobody opposed? Okay. Thank

2648
01:57:35,199 --> 01:57:41,119
you. It's unanimous. Sorry, I lost track

2649
01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:42,920
of the hands. It was unanimous.

2650
01:57:41,119 --> 01:57:46,719
Terrible. Yeah.

2651
01:57:42,920 --> 01:57:50,400
Um the third the third motion if you go

2652
01:57:46,719 --> 01:57:52,719
go with which is the motion to staff to

2653
01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:56,320
seek legal advice and report back to

2654
01:57:52,719 --> 01:58:00,320
council ASAP.

2655
01:57:56,320 --> 01:58:02,480
Um yes. Okay. Then the next motion uh

2656
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:04,000
would be and it's not part of the staff

2657
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:07,760
recommendation

2658
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:11,840
uh to seek legal advice on on this issue

2659
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:14,880
on this matter. Yes. on this matter and

2660
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:16,400
report back to uh to council. Okay,

2661
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:17,920
before I go for a second, councelor

2662
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:20,320
McCunki,

2663
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:23,599
uh sorry for that, councelor Stock, I

2664
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:26,560
think perhaps um councelor Marshall may

2665
01:58:23,599 --> 01:58:30,040
be outside for the wrong motion. Yeah,

2666
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:30,040
that's a good point.

2667
01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:36,199
She was last seen running to Sage.

2668
01:58:37,119 --> 01:58:41,760
You You were in a You were in a rush.

2669
01:58:40,239 --> 01:58:44,880
left too early. Legal advice. Is that

2670
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:46,080
what we're voting on? Well, we're So,

2671
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:49,080
there's a motion. The motion on the

2672
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:53,599
floor. The motion on the floor, just for

2673
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:56,000
clarification now, is that um we direct

2674
01:58:53,599 --> 01:58:59,599
staff to seek legal advice on this

2675
01:58:56,000 --> 01:59:00,679
matter and report back to council.

2676
01:58:59,599 --> 01:59:05,520
Do we have a

2677
01:59:00,679 --> 01:59:07,159
second council makoni? Any comments? And

2678
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:09,599
those in

2679
01:59:07,159 --> 01:59:11,840
favor? Unanimous.

2680
01:59:09,599 --> 01:59:14,080
Now we come to the fourth item which is

2681
01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:15,560
authorize the mayor and CEO to execute

2682
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:19,679
an agreement and

2683
01:59:15,560 --> 01:59:22,639
councelor Marshall exits. I have a

2684
01:59:19,679 --> 01:59:25,840
question if I may through the chair. If

2685
01:59:22,639 --> 01:59:27,920
you had two additional three people

2686
01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:29,920
abstaining what happens then? There

2687
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:34,320
would be no quorum and the council

2688
01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:37,360
meeting would end. No there be no it has

2689
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:41,760
to be in chambers.

2690
01:59:37,360 --> 01:59:41,760
I wouldn't recommend we do that. We need

2691
01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:48,000
something. Nice thought.

2692
01:59:46,159 --> 01:59:50,480
Does the meeting end or does this

2693
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:52,880
particular item end? The meeting would

2694
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:54,960
end. That would be Yeah, that would be

2695
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:56,719
the end of the council meeting. Okay.

2696
01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:58,560
So, that's a good way to finish the

2697
01:59:56,719 --> 02:00:01,599
meeting early.

2698
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:07,159
Yeah. But you you're uh the OCP has gone

2699
02:00:01,599 --> 02:00:07,159
through, the food has gone through.

2700
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:12,960
But your loneliness one hasn't gone

2701
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:15,639
through yet.

2702
02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:18,239
I'm part of the lonely

2703
02:00:15,639 --> 02:00:22,239
and poor Miles has been here all night

2704
02:00:18,239 --> 02:00:23,719
waiting for the loneliness one.

2705
02:00:22,239 --> 02:00:27,119
Um

2706
02:00:23,719 --> 02:00:29,599
okay number one. Okay. So what what

2707
02:00:27,119 --> 02:00:31,520
we're looking for is a motion based on

2708
02:00:29,599 --> 02:00:32,520
um authorize the mayor and CEO to

2709
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:35,119
execute an

2710
02:00:32,520 --> 02:00:39,360
agreement dot dot dot. Do you wish to

2711
02:00:35,119 --> 02:00:42,480
make the motion? Yes.

2712
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:45,520
Um, so then I'm going back to the staff

2713
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:48,719
recommendation number one. Authorize the

2714
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:52,159
mayor and the CAO to execute an

2715
02:00:48,719 --> 02:00:56,199
agreement with ECOM 911 for dispatch

2716
02:00:52,159 --> 02:01:00,800
services as proposed in the staff report

2717
02:00:56,199 --> 02:01:05,480
CS 25 017.

2718
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:05,480
Thank you. Do we have a second?

2719
02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:13,159
Um well I'll sec I'll second for

2720
02:01:10,119 --> 02:01:16,719
discussion. So again any further

2721
02:01:13,159 --> 02:01:21,119
discussion Sanjie through the chair. Um

2722
02:01:16,719 --> 02:01:24,599
I actually find that it's sad that an

2723
02:01:21,119 --> 02:01:27,280
essential service like 911 has gone this

2724
02:01:24,599 --> 02:01:29,520
route. To me, this is a service that's

2725
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:34,280
no different than a root service that

2726
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:36,520
comes into play or a health service or

2727
02:01:34,280 --> 02:01:42,159
protection. And

2728
02:01:36,520 --> 02:01:47,040
to be subjected to an system where we

2729
02:01:42,159 --> 02:01:51,760
have no choice and there is no options

2730
02:01:47,040 --> 02:01:55,159
given to us. I just find it in total

2731
02:01:51,760 --> 02:01:59,119
undemocratic princip uh

2732
02:01:55,159 --> 02:02:02,400
scenario. So in all consciousness given

2733
02:01:59,119 --> 02:02:05,280
the mandate given to us by the residents

2734
02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:08,400
to be fiscally responsible to be

2735
02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:11,840
diligent in what we are approving and

2736
02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:15,119
not approving. As much as I see the

2737
02:02:11,840 --> 02:02:18,960
merit of having a 911 service, the way

2738
02:02:15,119 --> 02:02:22,400
this is being imposed on to us with a

2739
02:02:18,960 --> 02:02:26,560
myriads of hidden cost that we have no

2740
02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:29,920
clue about, I will be reluctant in uh

2741
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:33,440
say um saying yes to this motion. Thank

2742
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:35,599
you. Any further comments?

2743
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:38,000
So, so we have a motion on the floor

2744
02:02:35,599 --> 02:02:40,960
based on to authorize the mayor and CEO

2745
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:43,520
to execute an agreement with ECOM 911

2746
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:46,159
for dispatch services as proposed in

2747
02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:48,800
staff report. Sorry, I'm just repeating

2748
02:02:46,159 --> 02:02:51,159
it because this I I want to be no error

2749
02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:55,679
in the vote of what we're voting

2750
02:02:51,159 --> 02:02:55,679
on as proposed in staff report

2751
02:02:56,040 --> 02:03:01,119
CS25017. That's the motion on the floor.

2752
02:02:58,719 --> 02:03:01,119
Uh,

2753
02:03:01,239 --> 02:03:05,679
councelor Stock, you have further

2754
02:03:03,119 --> 02:03:09,800
comments. Uh, thank you, Chair. Yes. All

2755
02:03:05,679 --> 02:03:12,639
I what I wanted to say is that

2756
02:03:09,800 --> 02:03:15,119
this part that we're voting on now is

2757
02:03:12,639 --> 02:03:21,440
for the period April 1st to December

2758
02:03:15,119 --> 02:03:23,920
31st, 2025. And and um I I think that

2759
02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:27,119
even though you know I agree with what

2760
02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:29,159
everyone said that sometimes in

2761
02:03:27,119 --> 02:03:33,679
governance you have to be

2762
02:03:29,159 --> 02:03:36,560
practical in practicum and you have to

2763
02:03:33,679 --> 02:03:39,520
think about the fact that it's just for

2764
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:41,920
the last part of this year and we should

2765
02:03:39,520 --> 02:03:44,400
be able to and the province is trying to

2766
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:47,119
get things sorted out. Many other

2767
02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:50,639
municipalities besides us are trying to

2768
02:03:47,119 --> 02:03:54,040
get things sorted out and you know we're

2769
02:03:50,639 --> 02:03:57,040
if we say no to this then we're going to

2770
02:03:54,040 --> 02:03:59,960
make a very complicated we're going to

2771
02:03:57,040 --> 02:04:03,280
create an extremely complex

2772
02:03:59,960 --> 02:04:06,000
and kind of frightening situation in my

2773
02:04:03,280 --> 02:04:08,400
view and I I don't think that's what we

2774
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:10,560
should be doing as counselors. You can

2775
02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:13,119
we can have our principles and that's

2776
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:15,360
true. I have the same principles but I

2777
02:04:13,119 --> 02:04:17,880
think that you have to think about the

2778
02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:20,719
reality of the situation. It's for a

2779
02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:23,239
short well in government anyway short

2780
02:04:20,719 --> 02:04:26,639
term. Thank you. Thank

2781
02:04:23,239 --> 02:04:29,599
you Sanjief through the chair. Um,

2782
02:04:26,639 --> 02:04:32,960
again, this is one of those amounts that

2783
02:04:29,599 --> 02:04:35,760
there was a conscious effort made by

2784
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:39,360
councelor McConi and myself to defer

2785
02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:41,360
this payment from a reserve fund that

2786
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:43,400
would have allowed us to continue this

2787
02:04:41,360 --> 02:04:47,040
particular service which would have also

2788
02:04:43,400 --> 02:04:50,960
impact saved our taxpayers money which

2789
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:52,719
was extremely denied by the council and

2790
02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:54,719
that was a vote that was taken. That's

2791
02:04:52,719 --> 02:04:57,679
perfectly fine. I'm not going to

2792
02:04:54,719 --> 02:05:00,000
question that. But in all honesty, the

2793
02:04:57,679 --> 02:05:02,920
amount that is being reflected. So it's

2794
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:07,280
talking about an agreement from April to

2795
02:05:02,920 --> 02:05:09,199
December. We are about to be in June. We

2796
02:05:07,280 --> 02:05:11,760
have already spent two months. So who

2797
02:05:09,199 --> 02:05:15,679
has been covering for the 911 for the

2798
02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:18,639
last 2 months. So that's question uh we

2799
02:05:15,679 --> 02:05:21,679
have no answer to that. So are we now

2800
02:05:18,639 --> 02:05:25,679
paying retrospect and are we signing a

2801
02:05:21,679 --> 02:05:27,760
document in retrospect? Uh when how can

2802
02:05:25,679 --> 02:05:29,920
we sign a document that's going in

2803
02:05:27,760 --> 02:05:33,840
retrospect? Either it's an amount that

2804
02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:36,719
starts from June June 1st onwards or it

2805
02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:39,840
doesn't

2806
02:05:36,719 --> 02:05:44,239
any further comments. Uh, chair, I

2807
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:47,599
haven't I I'm quite sure it will be in,

2808
02:05:44,239 --> 02:05:49,599
you know, backwards in in in retro as

2809
02:05:47,599 --> 02:05:52,239
well, but I don't know that. I mean, I'm

2810
02:05:49,599 --> 02:05:55,520
just following what this memo says,

2811
02:05:52,239 --> 02:05:59,760
unless staff can I mean, have we already

2812
02:05:55,520 --> 02:06:02,159
paid April and May? I don't know.

2813
02:05:59,760 --> 02:06:05,520
I'm just following.

2814
02:06:02,159 --> 02:06:07,599
Staff, any comment?

2815
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:09,440
Thank you. um and through the chair all

2816
02:06:07,599 --> 02:06:11,679
I can offer is that it's an essential

2817
02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:14,639
service um and there is an indication

2818
02:06:11,679 --> 02:06:15,920
that each of these executed contracts

2819
02:06:14,639 --> 02:06:17,679
amongst all the jurisdictions are going

2820
02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:19,760
to work through the next available

2821
02:06:17,679 --> 02:06:22,159
council meeting. So I think that there

2822
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:24,320
is an indic that's the expectation is is

2823
02:06:22,159 --> 02:06:27,360
what I would assume. So I and it would

2824
02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:28,880
just simply be um I believe that in the

2825
02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:30,880
report body of the report it talks about

2826
02:06:28,880 --> 02:06:33,679
receiving an invoice sometime after

2827
02:06:30,880 --> 02:06:35,599
April 1st. Um, and I don't believe we

2828
02:06:33,679 --> 02:06:38,239
have yet received that, but I I could

2829
02:06:35,599 --> 02:06:41,040
confirm with council and get back to you

2830
02:06:38,239 --> 02:06:43,520
later. Council, we have a motion on the

2831
02:06:41,040 --> 02:06:45,520
floor that's been seconded. So, I'll

2832
02:06:43,520 --> 02:06:47,679
call for a vote. Uh, those in favor of

2833
02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:47,679
the

2834
02:06:48,360 --> 02:06:54,480
motion. Those

2835
02:06:50,199 --> 02:06:58,880
opposed? Motion carries 32 with

2836
02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:58,880
councelor McConi and councelor Sanjie in

2837
02:06:59,159 --> 02:07:05,360
opposition. And guys, I think we all

2838
02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:05,360
feel the same about this

2839
02:07:07,880 --> 02:07:15,920
one. And now I believe I'm looking at my

2840
02:07:14,159 --> 02:07:19,360
list. It looks as if it's fireworks

2841
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:21,840
next. Which one are we? It's fireworks

2842
02:07:19,360 --> 02:07:26,679
next. That's why I'm doing

2843
02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:26,679
I think we had the fireworks. Oh, so you

2844
02:07:28,719 --> 02:07:34,560
Oh my goodness. Okay.

2845
02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:36,320
Uh thank you through the chair. So um

2846
02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:38,679
it's just some amendments to your

2847
02:07:36,320 --> 02:07:42,159
existing fireworks uh

2848
02:07:38,679 --> 02:07:45,280
bylaw. Uh the body of the the bylaw has

2849
02:07:42,159 --> 02:07:47,679
not actually changed. Um there's just

2850
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:50,000
been a couple of amendments.

2851
02:07:47,679 --> 02:07:53,119
one in keeping with what uh the town of

2852
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:56,199
Sydney did in um environmental

2853
02:07:53,119 --> 02:07:58,800
protection areas with a a buffer around

2854
02:07:56,199 --> 02:08:01,920
um uh these environmentally sensitive

2855
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:04,800
areas. Um so no fireworks to be

2856
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:08,079
discharged here um exactly the same as

2857
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:11,040
Sydney did. And then uh while we were in

2858
02:08:08,079 --> 02:08:14,400
the midst of that uh Nav Cam uh came

2859
02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:17,599
before us and asked if we could include

2860
02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:19,679
uh areas in and around the airports um

2861
02:08:17,599 --> 02:08:21,599
runways, takeoff and approach areas.

2862
02:08:19,679 --> 02:08:24,280
Apparently they think fireworks in these

2863
02:08:21,599 --> 02:08:27,760
areas is bad. I can't disagree with

2864
02:08:24,280 --> 02:08:29,840
that. Um so that's that's really all

2865
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:32,000
we're looking for here is just to

2866
02:08:29,840 --> 02:08:35,000
support those amendments. Okay. Thank

2867
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:35,000
you.

2868
02:08:35,280 --> 02:08:40,880
I'll give a cheeky comment. Can Can we

2869
02:08:38,480 --> 02:08:44,360
tie Can we tie approval of that into

2870
02:08:40,880 --> 02:08:44,360
They'll put housing.

2871
02:08:44,480 --> 02:08:51,520
I'm not asking for an answer.

2872
02:08:48,159 --> 02:08:55,079
Um, okay. Councelor Marshall, just for

2873
02:08:51,520 --> 02:08:56,920
you, chair to staff, the request by

2874
02:08:55,079 --> 02:08:59,199
YJ,

2875
02:08:56,920 --> 02:09:01,360
is is that actually municipal

2876
02:08:59,199 --> 02:09:04,320
jurisdiction or would that be federal

2877
02:09:01,360 --> 02:09:08,239
juris jurisdiction to enforce?

2878
02:09:04,320 --> 02:09:10,400
the the areas is in the municipality and

2879
02:09:08,239 --> 02:09:13,360
it's not prohibiting it. It's just you

2880
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:16,239
have to con contact the airport if

2881
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:18,079
you're within those areas um to get

2882
02:09:16,239 --> 02:09:20,560
their permission. So you could say like

2883
02:09:18,079 --> 02:09:22,079
at 8:00 I want to do this and they'll

2884
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:24,920
say okay you're fine there's no flight

2885
02:09:22,079 --> 02:09:28,840
at that time or they'll say no wait till

2886
02:09:24,920 --> 02:09:32,480
9:00 something like that.

2887
02:09:28,840 --> 02:09:34,360
Okay. Council stock. I was going to make

2888
02:09:32,480 --> 02:09:39,040
the uh staff

2889
02:09:34,360 --> 02:09:40,560
recommendation, but I'm if anybody um um

2890
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:42,159
Okay, if you do the recommendation and

2891
02:09:40,560 --> 02:09:44,159
before we do a second, I'll check to see

2892
02:09:42,159 --> 02:09:46,119
if there's any other comments. Oh, sure.

2893
02:09:44,159 --> 02:09:49,280
Just just in case there's a

2894
02:09:46,119 --> 02:09:51,440
change, a different motion. Do you want

2895
02:09:49,280 --> 02:09:54,400
to make a motion?

2896
02:09:51,440 --> 02:09:57,440
I think Sanji councelor Sanji has

2897
02:09:54,400 --> 02:10:01,119
questions first. Okay. Thank you.

2898
02:09:57,440 --> 02:10:04,320
through the chair uh some questions and

2899
02:10:01,119 --> 02:10:07,199
um as much as I enjoy fireworks, we now

2900
02:10:04,320 --> 02:10:10,199
know that there are alternate systems

2901
02:10:07,199 --> 02:10:14,400
that are in place uh that are being used

2902
02:10:10,199 --> 02:10:17,840
elsewhere like drones um that 5,000

2903
02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:20,320
drones have launched with all the funky

2904
02:10:17,840 --> 02:10:24,000
um colors and the rest. Yes, it may not

2905
02:10:20,320 --> 02:10:28,079
produce the noise and the uh fumes that

2906
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:30,360
are associated with fireworks.

2907
02:10:28,079 --> 02:10:34,159
So my question first

2908
02:10:30,360 --> 02:10:36,960
is is there any municipality or district

2909
02:10:34,159 --> 02:10:39,960
in BC that has a complete ban on

2910
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:39,960
fireworks?

2911
02:10:40,079 --> 02:10:45,040
Yes.

2912
02:10:41,599 --> 02:10:48,639
Thank you. So nothing stops us from

2913
02:10:45,040 --> 02:10:51,360
executing a complete ban of fireworks if

2914
02:10:48,639 --> 02:10:53,760
you choose that. Yes. Second part. What

2915
02:10:51,360 --> 02:10:59,079
is the penalty should somebody violate

2916
02:10:53,760 --> 02:11:02,719
the fireworks uh ban or restricted

2917
02:10:59,079 --> 02:11:08,079
areas? I think I answered it's in your

2918
02:11:02,719 --> 02:11:11,599
bylaw. It's uh upon conviction. Um I

2919
02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:11,599
think Ben I gave you the answers

2920
02:11:13,719 --> 02:11:19,639
there. Hello Mayor and council again. uh

2921
02:11:16,159 --> 02:11:22,480
the um the violation under section

2922
02:11:19,639 --> 02:11:24,760
11.3 is not less than $100 and not more

2923
02:11:22,480 --> 02:11:28,079
than $10,000 or

2924
02:11:24,760 --> 02:11:31,880
imprisonment. And if I may continue uh

2925
02:11:28,079 --> 02:11:34,040
through the chair, has there been ever a

2926
02:11:31,880 --> 02:11:37,000
violation successful

2927
02:11:34,040 --> 02:11:40,639
violation charges brought against an

2928
02:11:37,000 --> 02:11:43,360
individual in the district or in the CR

2929
02:11:40,639 --> 02:11:45,840
that we are aware of for for illegal

2930
02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:46,960
firework? Correct. Yes. Yeah. I I don't

2931
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:48,320
have that information. Not that I'm

2932
02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:51,199
aware of at this time. I don't have that

2933
02:11:48,320 --> 02:11:54,400
information. Okay. Thank you. May I

2934
02:11:51,199 --> 02:11:57,520
continue? The 200 meter buffer zone uh

2935
02:11:54,400 --> 02:12:00,000
that's uh being imposed by Sydney, is

2936
02:11:57,520 --> 02:12:03,920
that based on noise pollution? Is that

2937
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:06,800
based on air drifting of particles or

2938
02:12:03,920 --> 02:12:10,480
what or is it based on light pollution?

2939
02:12:06,800 --> 02:12:12,719
Do we have any answers on that?

2940
02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:16,360
I couldn't answer that question. that

2941
02:12:12,719 --> 02:12:19,440
was done before I was part of

2942
02:12:16,360 --> 02:12:21,520
this. Sorry I'm asking all those

2943
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:24,400
questions but I feel because there is

2944
02:12:21,520 --> 02:12:29,199
the other option of creating a 100 m a

2945
02:12:24,400 --> 02:12:31,560
1,000 m uh buffer zone for that and if

2946
02:12:29,199 --> 02:12:34,560
we did that next to all environmental

2947
02:12:31,560 --> 02:12:39,199
areas then beautiful North Sanage will

2948
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:40,719
not have any fireworks. So

2949
02:12:39,199 --> 02:12:43,679
thank you counselor and through the

2950
02:12:40,719 --> 02:12:47,599
chair. If I may add I was upon my review

2951
02:12:43,679 --> 02:12:51,199
of um the staff report. I I was I did

2952
02:12:47,599 --> 02:12:52,719
get um I did pay attention to that this

2953
02:12:51,199 --> 02:12:54,719
is in response to a letter from the town

2954
02:12:52,719 --> 02:12:55,480
of Sydney asking us to conform with

2955
02:12:54,719 --> 02:12:59,639
their

2956
02:12:55,480 --> 02:13:02,719
regulations. Um and it was further

2957
02:12:59,639 --> 02:13:05,440
um and council gave staff that direction

2958
02:13:02,719 --> 02:13:08,079
to execute that. So that's that is why

2959
02:13:05,440 --> 02:13:11,040
that these values they now align with

2960
02:13:08,079 --> 02:13:12,400
Sydney. Um just today earlier today I

2961
02:13:11,040 --> 02:13:13,920
believe Bob Perk provided some

2962
02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:18,639
correspondents to the district thanking

2963
02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:19,840
us for um making this change um to

2964
02:13:18,639 --> 02:13:22,159
further protect these environmentally

2965
02:13:19,840 --> 02:13:23,840
sensitive areas. Um in my discussions

2966
02:13:22,159 --> 02:13:26,400
with Steve just becoming familiar with

2967
02:13:23,840 --> 02:13:28,480
this part of the portfolio he did advise

2968
02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:30,239
that um over the summertime due to

2969
02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:31,920
firebounds there's very li if any

2970
02:13:30,239 --> 02:13:34,480
fireworks permits being provided

2971
02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:37,920
anyways. Um, and it it is concentrated

2972
02:13:34,480 --> 02:13:40,320
largely around Halloween. Um, and even

2973
02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:42,639
with the the bylaw, there would likely

2974
02:13:40,320 --> 02:13:45,599
be some fireworks used regardless. And

2975
02:13:42,639 --> 02:13:47,840
so to have a practical balanced bylaw,

2976
02:13:45,599 --> 02:13:50,480
there is some merit to that. Um, that's

2977
02:13:47,840 --> 02:13:53,440
enforceable. Um, so hopefully that's

2978
02:13:50,480 --> 02:13:57,599
helpful information with your continued

2979
02:13:53,440 --> 02:14:00,400
continued questions. Thank you. And if I

2980
02:13:57,599 --> 02:14:03,760
may just to the fellow counselors, I

2981
02:14:00,400 --> 02:14:07,119
would prefer seeing a 1,000 meter buffer

2982
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:09,280
zone. We know that wildlife knows no

2983
02:14:07,119 --> 02:14:11,760
boundary in that respect. They are

2984
02:14:09,280 --> 02:14:15,079
whether it's in Sydney or North Sanish,

2985
02:14:11,760 --> 02:14:18,079
whether we do a 200 m or 500

2986
02:14:15,079 --> 02:14:20,880
or,000 mters. I feel if you want to

2987
02:14:18,079 --> 02:14:24,880
create an environment that is safe for

2988
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:27,040
the wildlife or even migratory birds um

2989
02:14:24,880 --> 02:14:29,760
if you look at just pollution drifting

2990
02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:33,480
through um we have the airport around we

2991
02:14:29,760 --> 02:14:36,239
have uh purple monitors around which

2992
02:14:33,480 --> 02:14:40,159
picks pollutants that are several

2993
02:14:36,239 --> 02:14:43,760
kilometers away. So in terms of that I

2994
02:14:40,159 --> 02:14:46,719
feel the better it's better to be on a

2995
02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:50,079
safer side by having higher numbers of

2996
02:14:46,719 --> 02:14:52,960
buffers than smaller numbers. So for

2997
02:14:50,079 --> 02:14:55,599
that reason I would recommend that if

2998
02:14:52,960 --> 02:14:59,360
there as we go through this to have a

2999
02:14:55,599 --> 02:15:01,599
th00and mters as a buffer zone and I'll

3000
02:14:59,360 --> 02:15:03,239
stop for now and then see this in case

3001
02:15:01,599 --> 02:15:07,440
there's anybody

3002
02:15:03,239 --> 02:15:09,360
else. Council Marshall. Uh just one

3003
02:15:07,440 --> 02:15:11,280
question through you chair to staff.

3004
02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:13,280
When I look at schedule H, I'm just

3005
02:15:11,280 --> 02:15:15,119
looking at the map, but I think YJ

3006
02:15:13,280 --> 02:15:16,560
provided it's a little bit difficult to

3007
02:15:15,119 --> 02:15:18,159
tell with some of those boundaries. So I

3008
02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:21,280
just want to confirm. Have they included

3009
02:15:18,159 --> 02:15:24,639
SACUM in this? It's a bit hard to tell

3010
02:15:21,280 --> 02:15:26,400
um in this particular drawing.

3011
02:15:24,639 --> 02:15:28,880
We wouldn't have any jurisdiction on

3012
02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:30,400
First Nations land.

3013
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:31,599
Thanks. That's that's why I was asking

3014
02:15:30,400 --> 02:15:33,440
because it looks like this drawing

3015
02:15:31,599 --> 02:15:35,440
incorporates First Nations. So, I'm

3016
02:15:33,440 --> 02:15:37,599
going to assume that um it wasn't meant

3017
02:15:35,440 --> 02:15:40,400
to if it does. Okay. Thank you. Thank

3018
02:15:37,599 --> 02:15:42,480
you, council. Further questions? Council

3019
02:15:40,400 --> 02:15:43,760
me.

3020
02:15:42,480 --> 02:15:45,199
Uh thank you, chair, and through the

3021
02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:48,719
chair to staff. And in regards to

3022
02:15:45,199 --> 02:15:50,239
schedule H, um which I assume is an area

3023
02:15:48,719 --> 02:15:54,239
surrounding their flight path because it

3024
02:15:50,239 --> 02:15:54,239
extends into Sydney.

3025
02:15:55,159 --> 02:16:00,079
Um worst case

3026
02:15:57,480 --> 02:16:03,280
scenario, what would happen for someone

3027
02:16:00,079 --> 02:16:05,760
if they did not uh for example when in

3028
02:16:03,280 --> 02:16:07,599
the area here that's designated schedule

3029
02:16:05,760 --> 02:16:10,119
8 that they did not reach out to the

3030
02:16:07,599 --> 02:16:13,079
control tower and bylaw enforcement was

3031
02:16:10,119 --> 02:16:15,360
engaged? How how is

3032
02:16:13,079 --> 02:16:16,719
that work into the big picture here?

3033
02:16:15,360 --> 02:16:19,760
That's what I'm thinking. It's federal

3034
02:16:16,719 --> 02:16:21,040
lands, you got an entity, and then are

3035
02:16:19,760 --> 02:16:23,119
we going to be doing the bylaw

3036
02:16:21,040 --> 02:16:25,199
enforcement on it? If if it's on airport

3037
02:16:23,119 --> 02:16:27,760
land, we wouldn't be doing it. It's only

3038
02:16:25,199 --> 02:16:32,000
in municipal land outside of the

3039
02:16:27,760 --> 02:16:35,920
airport. Yeah. And there is no provision

3040
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:39,599
in place right now. So, I can't say what

3041
02:16:35,920 --> 02:16:41,160
would happen because this is brand new.

3042
02:16:39,599 --> 02:16:44,399
Thank you for that.

3043
02:16:41,160 --> 02:16:46,200
Um, I did note that in the Sydney

3044
02:16:44,399 --> 02:16:48,880
fireworks bylaw, they did not

3045
02:16:46,200 --> 02:16:51,040
incorporate the airport lands in there.

3046
02:16:48,880 --> 02:16:53,120
I granted ours as a larger part. So, I'd

3047
02:16:51,040 --> 02:16:54,880
be much happier not seeing it in there

3048
02:16:53,120 --> 02:16:56,800
and supporting the wildlife buffer zone,

3049
02:16:54,880 --> 02:16:59,120
but that's just my my opinion on it.

3050
02:16:56,800 --> 02:17:01,120
This came after Sydney had enacted their

3051
02:16:59,120 --> 02:17:03,760
bylaw. So, their bylaw was already in

3052
02:17:01,120 --> 02:17:06,160
place before this in this document was

3053
02:17:03,760 --> 02:17:07,679
received from NAVCAN. Oh, okay. Do you

3054
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:10,000
know if then through the chair do you

3055
02:17:07,679 --> 02:17:11,920
know if that document has gone to Sydney

3056
02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:13,439
for their consideration as well? I do

3057
02:17:11,920 --> 02:17:16,800
not know but we can look into that.

3058
02:17:13,439 --> 02:17:20,559
Okay. Thank you. Appreciate that.

3059
02:17:16,800 --> 02:17:22,599
Okay. Council questions look for a

3060
02:17:20,559 --> 02:17:26,960
motion based on

3061
02:17:22,599 --> 02:17:30,399
recommendation. Council stock.

3062
02:17:26,960 --> 02:17:32,240
Uh thank you chair. Uh yes. I'd like to

3063
02:17:30,399 --> 02:17:34,080
make the staff recommendation that

3064
02:17:32,240 --> 02:17:36,719
council give first, second, and third

3065
02:17:34,080 --> 02:17:39,559
readings to North Sonage Fireworks

3066
02:17:36,719 --> 02:17:44,519
Regulation bylaw number

3067
02:17:39,559 --> 02:17:47,599
1148 amendment bylaw number 1571 bracket

3068
02:17:44,519 --> 02:17:50,599
2025 closed bracket to include buffer

3069
02:17:47,599 --> 02:17:54,599
zones around the designated established

3070
02:17:50,599 --> 02:17:59,439
environmentally sensitive areas brackets

3071
02:17:54,599 --> 02:18:04,319
ESA of Chalet Creek SAM bracket Shaw B

3072
02:17:59,439 --> 02:18:08,399
Harbor, Robert's Bay, Sikum Creek, 1010

3073
02:18:04,319 --> 02:18:10,960
Creek, Kohl's Bay, and Kelset

3074
02:18:08,399 --> 02:18:14,240
uh brackets Ray Creek, and to establish

3075
02:18:10,960 --> 02:18:17,479
a buffer zone around flight paths to and

3076
02:18:14,240 --> 02:18:23,800
from the Victoria airport brackets

3077
02:18:17,479 --> 02:18:23,800
YJ as outlined in staff report ES25004.

3078
02:18:25,840 --> 02:18:29,960
Thank you. Do we have a second?

3079
02:18:31,599 --> 02:18:36,800
I'm sorry I was going to but if you put

3080
02:18:33,439 --> 02:18:38,559
your hand up I assume for discussion.

3081
02:18:36,800 --> 02:18:41,359
Okay. Thank you councelor Marshall

3082
02:18:38,559 --> 02:18:43,719
seconded. Um any further comments

3083
02:18:41,359 --> 02:18:47,679
questions? Councelor Sanji. Thank you

3084
02:18:43,719 --> 02:18:49,760
chair. If the council is amendable to it

3085
02:18:47,679 --> 02:18:53,599
I would like to see if the buffer zone

3086
02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:56,479
can be increased to instead of 200 m to

3087
02:18:53,599 --> 02:18:58,479
a,000 m. Um to do that you'd have to do

3088
02:18:56,479 --> 02:19:00,639
a separate motion. There'd be a second

3089
02:18:58,479 --> 02:19:01,840
motion. Then there'd be a vote on that

3090
02:19:00,639 --> 02:19:05,840
and then we come back to the main

3091
02:19:01,840 --> 02:19:08,000
motion. Okay. So my if I may to the

3092
02:19:05,840 --> 02:19:12,880
motion that the buffer zone be increased

3093
02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:15,760
from 200 m to 1,000 m. Okay. Uh stop. Is

3094
02:19:12,880 --> 02:19:17,439
that motion acceptable? Yes. That would

3095
02:19:15,760 --> 02:19:19,920
be considered an amendment to the main

3096
02:19:17,439 --> 02:19:22,160
motion. Thank you very much. Uh, do you

3097
02:19:19,920 --> 02:19:22,160
have a

3098
02:19:22,840 --> 02:19:28,880
second? Council me Cony second it. Uh,

3099
02:19:26,160 --> 02:19:30,519
comments, questions on the amendment to

3100
02:19:28,880 --> 02:19:33,359
the

3101
02:19:30,519 --> 02:19:35,599
motion. The no comments. I look for a

3102
02:19:33,359 --> 02:19:36,599
vote. Those in favor of the amendment to

3103
02:19:35,599 --> 02:19:39,479
the

3104
02:19:36,599 --> 02:19:43,920
motion. Those

3105
02:19:39,479 --> 02:19:46,519
opposed? Motion fails. 42 with councelor

3106
02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:49,840
stock. Council council Jones. Close

3107
02:19:46,519 --> 02:19:52,640
enough. C.

3108
02:19:49,840 --> 02:19:55,640
Council Clint, councelor Marshall in

3109
02:19:52,640 --> 02:19:55,640
opposition.

3110
02:19:55,840 --> 02:20:02,399
That's right. It's getting late. Now we

3111
02:19:58,960 --> 02:20:05,040
come back to the main motion. Um based

3112
02:20:02,399 --> 02:20:06,200
on councelor Stock's main motion, um any

3113
02:20:05,040 --> 02:20:09,439
further

3114
02:20:06,200 --> 02:20:11,920
comments, council makoni.

3115
02:20:09,439 --> 02:20:13,840
Uh thank you, chair. Um I completely

3116
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:15,920
support the uh buffer zone in the

3117
02:20:13,840 --> 02:20:18,640
environmentally sensitive areas and as

3118
02:20:15,920 --> 02:20:20,479
you can see I I supported a larger area

3119
02:20:18,640 --> 02:20:21,600
in fact and maybe even next steps or

3120
02:20:20,479 --> 02:20:23,280
maybe we are going to be having to look

3121
02:20:21,600 --> 02:20:25,120
at down the road a complete fireworks

3122
02:20:23,280 --> 02:20:27,439
ban because times are changing and we

3123
02:20:25,120 --> 02:20:29,120
have many critters in North Sanage that

3124
02:20:27,439 --> 02:20:32,720
live outside of buffer zones and that

3125
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:34,160
includes family pets etc. So um I won't

3126
02:20:32,720 --> 02:20:35,720
be voting for it simply because of the

3127
02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:38,399
airport and

3128
02:20:35,720 --> 02:20:40,240
um that's my stance. So thank you. Thank

3129
02:20:38,399 --> 02:20:42,479
you. Okay. Any further comments,

3130
02:20:40,240 --> 02:20:44,120
questions? None. Uh those in favor of

3131
02:20:42,479 --> 02:20:46,200
the main

3132
02:20:44,120 --> 02:20:49,120
motion? Those

3133
02:20:46,200 --> 02:20:52,160
opposed? Motion carries. 42 with Council

3134
02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:53,560
Manki, Council Sanjie in opposition.

3135
02:20:52,160 --> 02:20:56,640
Okay. Thank

3136
02:20:53,560 --> 02:21:00,560
you. So, I guess now we get to

3137
02:20:56,640 --> 02:21:04,080
loneliness and isolation survey results.

3138
02:21:00,560 --> 02:21:06,319
As mayor up here, I quickly get I I do

3139
02:21:04,080 --> 02:21:06,319
feel

3140
02:21:10,520 --> 02:21:16,640
lonely. So, so, uh, staff, anything to

3141
02:21:13,920 --> 02:21:19,920
add?

3142
02:21:16,640 --> 02:21:19,920
I'm here for you, Mayor

3143
02:21:20,120 --> 02:21:24,319
Jones. Uh, good evening, members of

3144
02:21:22,319 --> 02:21:25,760
council. I'm Miles Dalton, manager of

3145
02:21:24,319 --> 02:21:27,760
communications and engagement here at

3146
02:21:25,760 --> 02:21:29,520
the district. Uh today I'm presenting

3147
02:21:27,760 --> 02:21:31,680
the results of the district's loneliness

3148
02:21:29,520 --> 02:21:34,319
and isolation survey which council

3149
02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:36,880
directed staff to undertake last fall.

3150
02:21:34,319 --> 02:21:39,040
Purpose of the survey was to establish a

3151
02:21:36,880 --> 02:21:41,359
baseline understanding of how feelings

3152
02:21:39,040 --> 02:21:43,760
of loneliness and social isolation are

3153
02:21:41,359 --> 02:21:45,439
affecting our residents, especially

3154
02:21:43,760 --> 02:21:48,280
given that more than half of North

3155
02:21:45,439 --> 02:21:52,240
Sanich's population is over the age of

3156
02:21:48,280 --> 02:21:54,800
55. We received 108 responses primarily

3157
02:21:52,240 --> 02:21:57,520
from older adults. The findings offer

3158
02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:59,840
valuable insight. While the majority

3159
02:21:57,520 --> 02:22:01,760
reported rarely feeling isolated, a

3160
02:21:59,840 --> 02:22:04,640
significant portion still experiences

3161
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:06,720
loneliness at least some of the time.

3162
02:22:04,640 --> 02:22:08,800
The results also show strong community

3163
02:22:06,720 --> 02:22:11,200
interest in participating in future

3164
02:22:08,800 --> 02:22:14,000
discussions about the development of a

3165
02:22:11,200 --> 02:22:16,080
community gathering space. So today, I'm

3166
02:22:14,000 --> 02:22:18,240
seeking your feedback on the survey

3167
02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:20,640
results and your thoughts on whether the

3168
02:22:18,240 --> 02:22:22,960
findings support further exploration of

3169
02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:26,200
a gathering center for North Sanich.

3170
02:22:22,960 --> 02:22:26,200
Thank you.

3171
02:22:26,240 --> 02:22:30,240
Thank you. Thank you. Council

3172
02:22:30,760 --> 02:22:34,240
questions. Any

3173
02:22:34,680 --> 02:22:40,439
questions?

3174
02:22:36,439 --> 02:22:44,760
Nope. Then I look for a motion based

3175
02:22:40,439 --> 02:22:47,840
on Oh, I sorry I put away the

3176
02:22:44,760 --> 02:22:49,720
motion. Um I look at a motion based on

3177
02:22:47,840 --> 02:22:54,000
the staff

3178
02:22:49,720 --> 02:22:54,000
recommendation. Do we have a motion?

3179
02:22:59,280 --> 02:23:02,520
I'll make

3180
02:23:05,040 --> 02:23:09,120
um I didn't see any other hands up, so

3181
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:12,720
go ahead.

3182
02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:15,680
All right. Um thank you, chair. Um

3183
02:23:12,720 --> 02:23:19,439
recommendation that council receive the

3184
02:23:15,680 --> 02:23:24,680
loneliness and isolation survey results

3185
02:23:19,439 --> 02:23:28,439
outlined in staff report number CS

3186
02:23:24,680 --> 02:23:31,160
2516 and provide feedback on the survey

3187
02:23:28,439 --> 02:23:33,760
results and the need for a community

3188
02:23:31,160 --> 02:23:35,319
gathering center. Okay. Thank you. Do we

3189
02:23:33,760 --> 02:23:39,359
have a second

3190
02:23:35,319 --> 02:23:40,880
it council Marshall?

3191
02:23:39,359 --> 02:23:43,680
I'll second it. But I also just have a

3192
02:23:40,880 --> 02:23:46,399
question about the motion. Y um so

3193
02:23:43,680 --> 02:23:49,840
certainly uh receiving the survey, the

3194
02:23:46,399 --> 02:23:51,920
report I think is obviously great. Uh

3195
02:23:49,840 --> 02:23:53,200
providing feedback. So I'm curious if

3196
02:23:51,920 --> 02:23:54,479
like we're we're now making motion

3197
02:23:53,200 --> 02:23:56,319
saying we're going to provide feedback,

3198
02:23:54,479 --> 02:23:58,960
but we haven't asked haven't done that

3199
02:23:56,319 --> 02:24:00,240
yet. So perhaps my suggestion be that if

3200
02:23:58,960 --> 02:24:03,280
that's going to be the motion then can

3201
02:24:00,240 --> 02:24:05,439
we provide feedback via email to to Mr.

3202
02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:08,640
Dolphin or to to other staff? Would that

3203
02:24:05,439 --> 02:24:10,880
work through you chair to staff? Are you

3204
02:24:08,640 --> 02:24:13,439
talking of a of a new motion just on

3205
02:24:10,880 --> 02:24:14,960
that aspect of it? Uh no, I'm just I'm

3206
02:24:13,439 --> 02:24:16,800
wondering if we are going to provide

3207
02:24:14,960 --> 02:24:19,040
feedback. That is the request to staff.

3208
02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:21,040
If it works uh for staff, if we provide

3209
02:24:19,040 --> 02:24:23,280
that after if this motion goes through,

3210
02:24:21,040 --> 02:24:24,960
we provide that by an email at a later

3211
02:24:23,280 --> 02:24:27,840
later date if that works. Okay. Just

3212
02:24:24,960 --> 02:24:31,200
want to make sure. Thank you. Any other

3213
02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:34,319
comments? Council Sanjief through the

3214
02:24:31,200 --> 02:24:36,880
chair. Oh, thank you for the report. I

3215
02:24:34,319 --> 02:24:40,560
think this was sent to the healthy

3216
02:24:36,880 --> 02:24:43,760
living for discussion and because of

3217
02:24:40,560 --> 02:24:46,560
time the discussion wasn't wholesome if

3218
02:24:43,760 --> 02:24:49,120
I understand correctly it might be

3219
02:24:46,560 --> 02:24:52,720
useful to have a wholesome discussion

3220
02:24:49,120 --> 02:24:56,160
based on analysis of the data and not

3221
02:24:52,720 --> 02:24:59,920
just not in addition to the results that

3222
02:24:56,160 --> 02:25:03,080
are presented. Um I think that this is a

3223
02:24:59,920 --> 02:25:07,280
critical need we have is well

3224
02:25:03,080 --> 02:25:08,840
established through the NIA and uh the

3225
02:25:07,280 --> 02:25:13,200
seniors

3226
02:25:08,840 --> 02:25:18,240
uh care systems that's available that

3227
02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:21,439
loneliness is becoming an epidemic and

3228
02:25:18,240 --> 02:25:22,760
it needs to be addressed. We have had uh

3229
02:25:21,439 --> 02:25:26,319
quite a

3230
02:25:22,760 --> 02:25:29,720
significant the respondents who have

3231
02:25:26,319 --> 02:25:32,640
said that they do feel lonely for an

3232
02:25:29,720 --> 02:25:35,920
analysis would require to look at all

3233
02:25:32,640 --> 02:25:39,680
the different questions and figure out

3234
02:25:35,920 --> 02:25:43,040
based on either a rating system what

3235
02:25:39,680 --> 02:25:44,800
exact impact is. So for that reason I

3236
02:25:43,040 --> 02:25:47,600
think it would be useful to send it back

3237
02:25:44,800 --> 02:25:51,200
to the healthy living for a wholesome

3238
02:25:47,600 --> 02:25:51,200
discussion on it.

3239
02:25:51,359 --> 02:25:54,760
Okay. Right now the

3240
02:25:53,080 --> 02:25:58,560
motion

3241
02:25:54,760 --> 02:26:01,200
is based on direction to staff. If it

3242
02:25:58,560 --> 02:26:04,560
has to be sent if now we also want it to

3243
02:26:01,200 --> 02:26:06,800
be sent uh to one of the committees, we

3244
02:26:04,560 --> 02:26:09,760
may have to make a motion for it to be

3245
02:26:06,800 --> 02:26:13,240
sent which would be an amendment to

3246
02:26:09,760 --> 02:26:13,240
councelor stocks.

3247
02:26:14,160 --> 02:26:21,600
Yes. And that and chair would councelor

3248
02:26:18,359 --> 02:26:23,920
Sanjie Shastava like to make that

3249
02:26:21,600 --> 02:26:28,880
amendment. I I like to do friendly

3250
02:26:23,920 --> 02:26:31,600
amendments but staff doesn't like that.

3251
02:26:28,880 --> 02:26:34,000
I think

3252
02:26:31,600 --> 02:26:37,000
okay sorry before we do this councelor

3253
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:37,000
McKento.

3254
02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:44,520
Yes. Thank you. Um I think the results

3255
02:26:41,920 --> 02:26:46,800
are um are fairly

3256
02:26:44,520 --> 02:26:47,880
understandable. The one question I have

3257
02:26:46,800 --> 02:26:50,960
is

3258
02:26:47,880 --> 02:26:53,960
um and the need for a community

3259
02:26:50,960 --> 02:26:56,880
gathering center. Um who answers that

3260
02:26:53,960 --> 02:27:00,160
question. Um and and that's where I'm

3261
02:26:56,880 --> 02:27:02,880
clear about the motion. However, I think

3262
02:27:00,160 --> 02:27:07,479
councilor shava

3263
02:27:02,880 --> 02:27:07,479
um in his in his

3264
02:27:07,920 --> 02:27:11,640
um

3265
02:27:08,920 --> 02:27:13,479
eagerness

3266
02:27:11,640 --> 02:27:16,200
to

3267
02:27:13,479 --> 02:27:21,160
have corroboration that there's a

3268
02:27:16,200 --> 02:27:23,600
problem which might be a world

3269
02:27:21,160 --> 02:27:26,960
issue is not a problem here in North

3270
02:27:23,600 --> 02:27:28,720
Sanage. And I think to um to continue on

3271
02:27:26,960 --> 02:27:30,560
this line, he talks about a critical

3272
02:27:28,720 --> 02:27:33,399
need. This survey has clearly not said

3273
02:27:30,560 --> 02:27:37,160
that there's a critical need. Maybe his

3274
02:27:33,399 --> 02:27:39,760
um his world um

3275
02:27:37,160 --> 02:27:41,280
um vision of things is there's a

3276
02:27:39,760 --> 02:27:43,040
critical need and there might be some in

3277
02:27:41,280 --> 02:27:44,560
some areas. However, nothing has come

3278
02:27:43,040 --> 02:27:47,640
before council that says this is

3279
02:27:44,560 --> 02:27:51,439
critical um to this area.

3280
02:27:47,640 --> 02:27:54,160
Um, so it's almost like we want the

3281
02:27:51,439 --> 02:27:57,040
results of a survey to match why we have

3282
02:27:54,160 --> 02:27:59,680
the survey. Unfortunately, that's not

3283
02:27:57,040 --> 02:28:02,640
the case here. So, I'm not prepared to

3284
02:27:59,680 --> 02:28:05,600
um expend any more staff time or council

3285
02:28:02,640 --> 02:28:10,680
time on this matter.

3286
02:28:05,600 --> 02:28:10,680
Thank you. Um, further comments?

3287
02:28:13,520 --> 02:28:18,160
Thank you, chair. Um, I wasn't going to

3288
02:28:16,000 --> 02:28:21,040
go there, but now since councelor

3289
02:28:18,160 --> 02:28:23,920
Mcccleintochuk has asked a question, uh,

3290
02:28:21,040 --> 02:28:27,600
here is what the actual answers would

3291
02:28:23,920 --> 02:28:30,800
come through. If you were to look at a

3292
02:28:27,600 --> 02:28:33,439
proper statistical survey done and

3293
02:28:30,800 --> 02:28:39,120
analysis based on just the results that

3294
02:28:33,439 --> 02:28:42,880
we got, we have a at least of the 92

3295
02:28:39,120 --> 02:28:46,319
online 95 online surveys that were done.

3296
02:28:42,880 --> 02:28:49,760
You have more than half of them

3297
02:28:46,319 --> 02:28:53,040
expressing a getting a score of greater

3298
02:28:49,760 --> 02:28:55,760
than six which indicates that loneliness

3299
02:28:53,040 --> 02:28:59,040
is being experienced by quite a few of

3300
02:28:55,760 --> 02:29:02,160
the residents. One of them has actually

3301
02:28:59,040 --> 02:29:05,280
gone to have a severe issue on

3302
02:29:02,160 --> 02:29:08,319
loneliness and social isolation five

3303
02:29:05,280 --> 02:29:10,240
with a getting a score of 10. So if you

3304
02:29:08,319 --> 02:29:12,479
were to do a proper statistical

3305
02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:15,040
analysis, you would find that it is an

3306
02:29:12,479 --> 02:29:18,160
issue. In addition to that, if you look

3307
02:29:15,040 --> 02:29:20,800
at the number of people who have

3308
02:29:18,160 --> 02:29:22,720
actually conducted the surveys as

3309
02:29:20,800 --> 02:29:26,640
opposed to any other survey that has

3310
02:29:22,720 --> 02:29:28,920
occurred on in the district's website,

3311
02:29:26,640 --> 02:29:32,319
uh there is almost

3312
02:29:28,920 --> 02:29:35,520
37% that have had a traction of

3313
02:29:32,319 --> 02:29:38,560
conversion from going visiting the

3314
02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:41,040
website and actually attempting the

3315
02:29:38,560 --> 02:29:44,399
survey. that itself is an indication

3316
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:48,160
that there is a need and people identify

3317
02:29:44,399 --> 02:29:50,800
with that issue. So it is not how what

3318
02:29:48,160 --> 02:29:54,319
world I live in. It is a reality that

3319
02:29:50,800 --> 02:29:57,760
Canada is experiencing. Yes, it even

3320
02:29:54,319 --> 02:30:00,640
whether there is 20% or 40%, it is some

3321
02:29:57,760 --> 02:30:02,640
a number that has to be addressed. we

3322
02:30:00,640 --> 02:30:05,439
are getting closer and closer with the

3323
02:30:02,640 --> 02:30:07,680
age the demographics changing which

3324
02:30:05,439 --> 02:30:11,520
means that we need to address it before

3325
02:30:07,680 --> 02:30:13,479
it becomes an endemic issue. So that

3326
02:30:11,520 --> 02:30:16,800
would be my comment with regards to

3327
02:30:13,479 --> 02:30:18,800
where my eagerness for the survey was.

3328
02:30:16,800 --> 02:30:21,439
Uh just to give you an idea, I've got

3329
02:30:18,800 --> 02:30:24,399
some numbers from the staff. In terms of

3330
02:30:21,439 --> 02:30:28,080
the conversion, there is 37% that

3331
02:30:24,399 --> 02:30:30,399
actually answered the survey while 28%

3332
02:30:28,080 --> 02:30:33,840
did the sub submission with regards to

3333
02:30:30,399 --> 02:30:38,399
budget responses. Uh Tetlo and Deep Cove

3334
02:30:33,840 --> 02:30:41,120
traffic calming only 26 and 27% did

3335
02:30:38,399 --> 02:30:43,640
that. So this was identified as an

3336
02:30:41,120 --> 02:30:47,200
interest for a majority of the

3337
02:30:43,640 --> 02:30:50,560
residents. Thank you. Thank you.

3338
02:30:47,200 --> 02:30:55,800
Now you going to do a motion.

3339
02:30:50,560 --> 02:30:55,800
Now it's quiet. Oh, sorry. Council Mint.

3340
02:31:00,000 --> 02:31:04,560
Yes, thank you for that. And it

3341
02:31:01,359 --> 02:31:07,240
certainly wasn't an attack on you, uh,

3342
02:31:04,560 --> 02:31:09,880
councelor Shiva Saba. Um,

3343
02:31:07,240 --> 02:31:12,319
however, when I was elected as a

3344
02:31:09,880 --> 02:31:14,399
counselor over the past three terms, I

3345
02:31:12,319 --> 02:31:17,040
was elected to do the business of the

3346
02:31:14,399 --> 02:31:20,560
district of North Sage, which includes a

3347
02:31:17,040 --> 02:31:22,479
number of things. Um, entering into the

3348
02:31:20,560 --> 02:31:25,399
healthc care business, I think we're

3349
02:31:22,479 --> 02:31:28,319
overextending our our

3350
02:31:25,399 --> 02:31:31,600
um what we were elected to do. It's

3351
02:31:28,319 --> 02:31:33,280
interesting to know, but um and these

3352
02:31:31,600 --> 02:31:35,479
surveys could certainly be given to the

3353
02:31:33,280 --> 02:31:38,640
people in charge of health care in the

3354
02:31:35,479 --> 02:31:41,040
province. Um however um I don't believe

3355
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:43,760
that it's um the reason that we were

3356
02:31:41,040 --> 02:31:45,280
elected as councils. We probably have

3357
02:31:43,760 --> 02:31:48,280
different differing opinions on that

3358
02:31:45,280 --> 02:31:48,280
thing.

3359
02:31:49,120 --> 02:31:53,760
Thank you. Thank you, Council Mint. Any

3360
02:31:51,200 --> 02:31:55,359
further questions? No further questions

3361
02:31:53,760 --> 02:31:57,680
there. Do we have another motion on the

3362
02:31:55,359 --> 02:32:00,160
floor or do we vote on the motion as

3363
02:31:57,680 --> 02:32:02,399
done by councelor Stark?

3364
02:32:00,160 --> 02:32:03,680
Councelor Marshall. Oh, sorry. Go ahead,

3365
02:32:02,399 --> 02:32:06,720
councelor. Do are you going to make the

3366
02:32:03,680 --> 02:32:08,240
amendment? Go ahead.

3367
02:32:06,720 --> 02:32:09,920
I I just like to make the amendment to

3368
02:32:08,240 --> 02:32:11,439
the main motion that we also send it

3369
02:32:09,920 --> 02:32:12,880
back to the healthy living committee. We

3370
02:32:11,439 --> 02:32:15,280
did have limited time to discuss it and

3371
02:32:12,880 --> 02:32:17,840
I know there was a a comment made from a

3372
02:32:15,280 --> 02:32:19,920
number of people about um feedback they

3373
02:32:17,840 --> 02:32:21,840
received around privacy concerns because

3374
02:32:19,920 --> 02:32:23,680
there was a requirement to register.

3375
02:32:21,840 --> 02:32:25,120
They weren't anonymous. So that was some

3376
02:32:23,680 --> 02:32:26,319
of the feedback we got. So I I'll make

3377
02:32:25,120 --> 02:32:28,240
the amendment to send it back to the

3378
02:32:26,319 --> 02:32:31,439
healthy living committee. Thank you. Do

3379
02:32:28,240 --> 02:32:33,200
you have a second council sanjief? Uh

3380
02:32:31,439 --> 02:32:36,520
any comments on the amendment to the

3381
02:32:33,200 --> 02:32:38,359
main motion? No comments. Those in

3382
02:32:36,520 --> 02:32:40,800
favor? Those

3383
02:32:38,359 --> 02:32:42,760
opposed? Motion carries 51 with

3384
02:32:40,800 --> 02:32:45,040
councelor McClend in

3385
02:32:42,760 --> 02:32:46,479
opposition. Now we move back to the main

3386
02:32:45,040 --> 02:32:49,720
motion. Are there any further comments

3387
02:32:46,479 --> 02:32:53,399
before we do a vote on the main

3388
02:32:49,720 --> 02:32:55,479
motion? Nope. Those in favor of the main

3389
02:32:53,399 --> 02:32:58,399
motion, those

3390
02:32:55,479 --> 02:33:01,760
opposed carries 51 with Council Mckento

3391
02:32:58,399 --> 02:33:01,760
in opposition. Thank

3392
02:33:02,439 --> 02:33:06,040
you. I think we're through the majority

3393
02:33:04,960 --> 02:33:09,840
of it,

3394
02:33:06,040 --> 02:33:12,960
folks. So, next we move and unless staff

3395
02:33:09,840 --> 02:33:15,680
tells me otherwise, we move to item 8B,

3396
02:33:12,960 --> 02:33:18,880
which is council leison reports. Staff,

3397
02:33:15,680 --> 02:33:20,880
am I correct? Thank you very much. Um,

3398
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:23,359
there's only one consolation report. is

3399
02:33:20,880 --> 02:33:25,120
by council me. Council me, anything you

3400
02:33:23,359 --> 02:33:27,040
wish to add?

3401
02:33:25,120 --> 02:33:28,479
Uh, thank you, chair. Nothing to add.

3402
02:33:27,040 --> 02:33:30,319
I'd just like to make the recommendation

3403
02:33:28,479 --> 02:33:33,760
that the council leaison report dated

3404
02:33:30,319 --> 02:33:35,760
May 7th, 2025 from myself regarding the

3405
02:33:33,760 --> 02:33:38,479
Greater Victoria Labor Relations

3406
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:40,560
Association, GVL, be received for

3407
02:33:38,479 --> 02:33:42,960
information. Thank you. Seconded,

3408
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:45,640
Council Stock. Any comments? No

3409
02:33:42,960 --> 02:33:48,760
comments. Those in

3410
02:33:45,640 --> 02:33:50,800
favor? Well, thank you.

3411
02:33:48,760 --> 02:33:53,840
Unanimous. Thank you. Now we move on to

3412
02:33:50,800 --> 02:33:55,439
item C which is committee reports and um

3413
02:33:53,840 --> 02:33:56,960
I'll be looking for a consent resolution

3414
02:33:55,439 --> 02:33:58,560
here. But before I go to the consent

3415
02:33:56,960 --> 02:33:59,840
resolution because there's one, two,

3416
02:33:58,560 --> 02:34:02,319
three, four, five, five different

3417
02:33:59,840 --> 02:34:03,680
people. Anyone have any anything to add

3418
02:34:02,319 --> 02:34:05,680
or should we go directly into the

3419
02:34:03,680 --> 02:34:08,840
consent resolution? I'm seeing nothing.

3420
02:34:05,680 --> 02:34:12,240
Look for a motion based on the consent

3421
02:34:08,840 --> 02:34:13,920
resolution. Council Marshall. Uh that

3422
02:34:12,240 --> 02:34:15,280
council receive the following items for

3423
02:34:13,920 --> 02:34:16,720
information. Draft minutes of the

3424
02:34:15,280 --> 02:34:19,359
community planning advisory committee

3425
02:34:16,720 --> 02:34:20,960
meeting held May 6, 2025. Draft minutes

3426
02:34:19,359 --> 02:34:23,479
of the Agriculture and Food Security

3427
02:34:20,960 --> 02:34:26,000
Advisory Committee meeting held May 7,

3428
02:34:23,479 --> 02:34:27,439
2025. Draft minutes of the Healthy

3429
02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:30,000
Community Living Advisory Committee

3430
02:34:27,439 --> 02:34:31,359
meeting held May 8th, 2025. Draft

3431
02:34:30,000 --> 02:34:33,120
minutes of the Peninsula and Area

3432
02:34:31,359 --> 02:34:35,439
Agricultural Commission meeting held May

3433
02:34:33,120 --> 02:34:36,880
8, 2025. And draft minutes of the

3434
02:34:35,439 --> 02:34:39,240
committee the whole meeting held May

3435
02:34:36,880 --> 02:34:43,120
12th, 2025. Thank you.

3436
02:34:39,240 --> 02:34:45,080
Seconded, Council Sanjief. Any comments?

3437
02:34:43,120 --> 02:34:48,720
Nope. No comments. Those in

3438
02:34:45,080 --> 02:34:50,160
favor? Unanimous. Uh the next one is one

3439
02:34:48,720 --> 02:34:53,920
of the what I consider to be good

3440
02:34:50,160 --> 02:34:56,080
business, nice business. Um it it's a

3441
02:34:53,920 --> 02:34:57,760
motion um which is from councelor

3442
02:34:56,080 --> 02:34:59,200
Marshall, councelor Sanjie and I'll look

3443
02:34:57,760 --> 02:35:03,560
to councelor Marshall and councelor

3444
02:34:59,200 --> 02:35:03,560
Sanjie. Do you wish to add anything?

3445
02:35:03,680 --> 02:35:06,800
Uh I really don't have an awful lot to

3446
02:35:05,520 --> 02:35:08,560
add. There's background there in the

3447
02:35:06,800 --> 02:35:09,920
notice of motion and then um just

3448
02:35:08,560 --> 02:35:12,720
information around why I'm bringing it

3449
02:35:09,920 --> 02:35:14,960
forward. It was uh um Miss Lavender and

3450
02:35:12,720 --> 02:35:17,520
Miss Balin who originally sent an email

3451
02:35:14,960 --> 02:35:19,680
to council asking that we recognize the

3452
02:35:17,520 --> 02:35:21,439
sunset riding club in our heritage week.

3453
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:23,359
So this is just an addition to that to

3454
02:35:21,439 --> 02:35:25,120
formalize the recognition of the

3455
02:35:23,359 --> 02:35:28,399
contribution of that very important club

3456
02:35:25,120 --> 02:35:30,720
to North Sanage. Um I know myself I um

3457
02:35:28,399 --> 02:35:32,240
when I first moved here I uh was just

3458
02:35:30,720 --> 02:35:34,000
impressed with the trail system. I use

3459
02:35:32,240 --> 02:35:36,319
it every day and I'm appreciative of the

3460
02:35:34,000 --> 02:35:38,160
fact that it is our volunteers time,

3461
02:35:36,319 --> 02:35:39,920
resources and energy that went into

3462
02:35:38,160 --> 02:35:42,560
allowing me to use those. So this is

3463
02:35:39,920 --> 02:35:44,560
just recognition of the incredible

3464
02:35:42,560 --> 02:35:46,640
citizens that we have here in our our

3465
02:35:44,560 --> 02:35:48,640
district. So thank you. Thank you. I

3466
02:35:46,640 --> 02:35:50,560
look for a second council. Councelor

3467
02:35:48,640 --> 02:35:53,359
Sanjie, council Marshall, you wish to

3468
02:35:50,560 --> 02:35:55,560
motivate.

3469
02:35:53,359 --> 02:35:59,640
I don't think I have anything else to

3470
02:35:55,560 --> 02:36:03,080
say. Thank you then. So you've done it.

3471
02:35:59,640 --> 02:36:05,520
Okay. Um any comments, questions?

3472
02:36:03,080 --> 02:36:08,240
Council stock. Yes. Thank you, Chair.

3473
02:36:05,520 --> 02:36:12,240
just wanted to say that uh I know that

3474
02:36:08,240 --> 02:36:16,640
this is a very welldeserved recognition.

3475
02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:19,680
I've known um both uh parties uh

3476
02:36:16,640 --> 02:36:21,399
mentioned in the uh in the recognition

3477
02:36:19,680 --> 02:36:24,120
and appreciation

3478
02:36:21,399 --> 02:36:28,319
motion since probably

3479
02:36:24,120 --> 02:36:31,359
2010 or maybe earlier. I'm not sure. and

3480
02:36:28,319 --> 02:36:36,760
I know how much work they've done in the

3481
02:36:31,359 --> 02:36:40,399
community uh not only for the the the

3482
02:36:36,760 --> 02:36:42,720
uh Sunset Riding Club but also many

3483
02:36:40,399 --> 02:36:46,479
other activities like the farm market

3484
02:36:42,720 --> 02:36:48,960
and etc. So, you know, it's really welld

3485
02:36:46,479 --> 02:36:52,479
deserved. Thank you. Thank you. Any

3486
02:36:48,960 --> 02:36:55,359
further comments, questions? No. No.

3487
02:36:52,479 --> 02:36:57,319
Nope. No. Uh we'll go for a vote. Those

3488
02:36:55,359 --> 02:36:58,840
those in

3489
02:36:57,319 --> 02:37:00,520
favor

3490
02:36:58,840 --> 02:37:03,560
unanimous. Thank

3491
02:37:00,520 --> 02:37:06,080
you. We move to item 10 which

3492
02:37:03,560 --> 02:37:08,880
is I can't pronounce the name

3493
02:37:06,080 --> 02:37:12,800
unfortunately. I'll rely on someone else

3494
02:37:08,880 --> 02:37:12,800
but if we look at item 10

3495
02:37:13,080 --> 02:37:20,840
um I believe it's the it says powow but

3496
02:37:17,359 --> 02:37:23,920
is that a pot latch? Sorry. Pow.

3497
02:37:20,840 --> 02:37:26,319
Okay. So before we look for well I look

3498
02:37:23,920 --> 02:37:30,240
for comments on comments or questions on

3499
02:37:26,319 --> 02:37:32,560
first staff there anything to add.

3500
02:37:30,240 --> 02:37:34,720
Um thank you chair. Um nothing really to

3501
02:37:32,560 --> 02:37:35,840
add. Um we did do some there was some

3502
02:37:34,720 --> 02:37:38,560
discussion about our member

3503
02:37:35,840 --> 02:37:42,240
municipalities past past contributions

3504
02:37:38,560 --> 02:37:44,880
and uh we learned that um central Sanche

3505
02:37:42,240 --> 02:37:47,040
in the years past provided $2,000 that

3506
02:37:44,880 --> 02:37:48,720
and I believe that was wellreceived and

3507
02:37:47,040 --> 02:37:52,319
I believe Sydney provided a slightly

3508
02:37:48,720 --> 02:37:56,479
larger sum as well last year. 3500. So

3509
02:37:52,319 --> 02:37:58,800
if that's helpful to Mayor Council, I I

3510
02:37:56,479 --> 02:37:59,880
Yeah, thank you because I was not

3511
02:37:58,800 --> 02:38:02,520
looking forward to bringing that

3512
02:37:59,880 --> 02:38:07,200
[Laughter]

3513
02:38:02,520 --> 02:38:10,720
up. So um so there as I said, Sydney and

3514
02:38:07,200 --> 02:38:12,800
and Central Sanage um 3500 and 2,000

3515
02:38:10,720 --> 02:38:14,720
respectfully and I assume there's going

3516
02:38:12,800 --> 02:38:19,200
to be a motion that will give a dollar

3517
02:38:14,720 --> 02:38:22,399
value if it's approval in that. So

3518
02:38:19,200 --> 02:38:25,680
council questions, comments or even a

3519
02:38:22,399 --> 02:38:28,000
motion? Just a question first uh if I

3520
02:38:25,680 --> 02:38:30,040
may through the chair to staff. Has the

3521
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:35,160
district provided funding to them

3522
02:38:30,040 --> 02:38:35,160
before? And if so to what amount

3523
02:38:37,520 --> 02:38:42,880
um thank you for the question. We don't

3524
02:38:40,240 --> 02:38:45,760
um we don't believe so, but we'd have to

3525
02:38:42,880 --> 02:38:49,600
confirm with you. I'm not sure if if it

3526
02:38:45,760 --> 02:38:54,120
wasn't requested previously. Um, and I'd

3527
02:38:49,600 --> 02:38:54,120
have to I'd have to I can report back.

3528
02:38:56,000 --> 02:39:00,000
Any further

3529
02:38:57,479 --> 02:39:02,319
questions? They're not. Um, we don't

3530
02:39:00,000 --> 02:39:06,560
know. It's so we have to pick a number

3531
02:39:02,319 --> 02:39:06,560
if the vote is to provide

3532
02:39:06,840 --> 02:39:11,040
funding. Councelor Sandre through the

3533
02:39:09,120 --> 02:39:14,200
chair. I would like to make a motion if

3534
02:39:11,040 --> 02:39:17,840
uh that's okay to provide a funding of

3535
02:39:14,200 --> 02:39:21,200
$5,000 through the indigenous uh fund

3536
02:39:17,840 --> 02:39:23,439
that we the district has. Uh there is

3537
02:39:21,200 --> 02:39:26,319
always a fund allocated towards

3538
02:39:23,439 --> 02:39:29,520
indigenous relationship. So use that

3539
02:39:26,319 --> 02:39:32,319
fund to provide $5,000 towards the

3540
02:39:29,520 --> 02:39:33,960
power.

3541
02:39:32,319 --> 02:39:37,200
Council stock you have a question. Oh, I

3542
02:39:33,960 --> 02:39:41,760
just Yes, chair. I just had a question.

3543
02:39:37,200 --> 02:39:43,240
Uh, was that 500 or 5,000? 5,000.

3544
02:39:41,760 --> 02:39:46,479
Oh, I

3545
02:39:43,240 --> 02:39:49,200
think Well, I I don't mind. I think we

3546
02:39:46,479 --> 02:39:52,520
should probably provide something, but I

3547
02:39:49,200 --> 02:39:56,720
don't $5,000 seems like a very large

3548
02:39:52,520 --> 02:40:00,399
sum to me. I mean, we haven't even given

3549
02:39:56,720 --> 02:40:05,520
some of our regular um, you know, grants

3550
02:40:00,399 --> 02:40:08,479
and aid um, uh, uh, groups that much

3551
02:40:05,520 --> 02:40:11,680
money. We we whittleled them all down in

3552
02:40:08,479 --> 02:40:15,439
our grants and aid meeting. So I I I I

3553
02:40:11,680 --> 02:40:20,040
don't know how to gauge what's a correct

3554
02:40:15,439 --> 02:40:20,040
amount, but I think that's a lot.

3555
02:40:22,680 --> 02:40:28,000
Council before I come to staff, council.

3556
02:40:26,160 --> 02:40:32,640
Yes. Thank you very much. I think that

3557
02:40:28,000 --> 02:40:35,840
uh 5,000 is um I I wouldn't agree with

3558
02:40:32,640 --> 02:40:38,479
5,000. Um I think the maximum in this

3559
02:40:35,840 --> 02:40:41,120
instance um bearing in mind the

3560
02:40:38,479 --> 02:40:44,280
contributions from central Sanich which

3561
02:40:41,120 --> 02:40:47,040
also has two um two communities in their

3562
02:40:44,280 --> 02:40:50,720
municipality of $2,000. I think that

3563
02:40:47,040 --> 02:40:53,560
would be a very generous um donation by

3564
02:40:50,720 --> 02:40:57,439
this district for the uh for the

3565
02:40:53,560 --> 02:40:59,200
event. Okay. Thank you. Um what I would

3566
02:40:57,439 --> 02:41:00,720
suggest is perhaps we do a temperature

3567
02:40:59,200 --> 02:41:02,240
check. I think everyone's in agreement

3568
02:41:00,720 --> 02:41:05,280
that there should be some funding to

3569
02:41:02,240 --> 02:41:06,720
them. Um so the question becomes is

3570
02:41:05,280 --> 02:41:09,120
we've got some councelor Sanjie is

3571
02:41:06,720 --> 02:41:12,080
saying you know 5,000.

3572
02:41:09,120 --> 02:41:14,240
May I ask a question? Uh could I ask

3573
02:41:12,080 --> 02:41:18,040
Barb what amount is allocated towards

3574
02:41:14,240 --> 02:41:18,040
the indigenous relationships.

3575
02:41:21,920 --> 02:41:28,160
We've got um the I believe it's 15,000

3576
02:41:25,520 --> 02:41:30,000
uh for indigenous relations that's

3577
02:41:28,160 --> 02:41:31,600
available. We also have uh funding

3578
02:41:30,000 --> 02:41:34,399
through the community events sort of

3579
02:41:31,600 --> 02:41:37,600
line item. Um and those those amounts

3580
02:41:34,399 --> 02:41:40,560
range from 1,500 to 2,000 just going

3581
02:41:37,600 --> 02:41:41,680
based on history of of uh asks that

3582
02:41:40,560 --> 02:41:43,439
we've had in the past from other

3583
02:41:41,680 --> 02:41:46,920
organizations that did not come through

3584
02:41:43,439 --> 02:41:46,920
grants and aid.

3585
02:41:47,680 --> 02:41:52,160
Council Marshall. Um can I just clarify

3586
02:41:50,319 --> 02:41:55,800
Central and Sydney's contribution? I

3587
02:41:52,160 --> 02:41:55,800
thought one of them was 3500

3588
02:41:56,479 --> 02:42:02,080
through the chair. Thank you. Yes. So,

3589
02:41:58,720 --> 02:42:05,800
Central Sanage was 2,000 and Town of

3590
02:42:02,080 --> 02:42:05,800
Sydney was 3,500.

3591
02:42:06,560 --> 02:42:12,200
That was last year. That was last year.

3592
02:42:08,560 --> 02:42:12,200
Sorry. Through the

3593
02:42:13,520 --> 02:42:17,520
So, again, I think we we've got a

3594
02:42:15,359 --> 02:42:21,600
consensus that we should provide some

3595
02:42:17,520 --> 02:42:23,840
funding staff. Um, yeah, if if helpful,

3596
02:42:21,600 --> 02:42:25,200
I can offer that. Um, so staff just

3597
02:42:23,840 --> 02:42:27,680
reviewed this correspondence

3598
02:42:25,200 --> 02:42:29,359
specifically in this as this morning.

3599
02:42:27,680 --> 02:42:31,120
um and we thought it would be um

3600
02:42:29,359 --> 02:42:33,439
relevant to inquire about our member

3601
02:42:31,120 --> 02:42:37,479
municipalities contribution. And then we

3602
02:42:33,439 --> 02:42:40,640
did have some informal discussion about

3603
02:42:37,479 --> 02:42:44,000
um previous uh and other funders

3604
02:42:40,640 --> 02:42:45,439
agencies that we fund etc. Um and so we

3605
02:42:44,000 --> 02:42:46,800
did provide we thought this information

3606
02:42:45,439 --> 02:42:50,319
would be helpful for mayor and council

3607
02:42:46,800 --> 02:42:53,920
to try and gauge um a value.

3608
02:42:50,319 --> 02:42:56,319
Okay. Thank you. If if I give a comment

3609
02:42:53,920 --> 02:42:57,840
comment first is um one of the thing

3610
02:42:56,319 --> 02:43:00,319
what I'm concerned about if we did

3611
02:42:57,840 --> 02:43:02,600
$5,000 and the other two communities did

3612
02:43:00,319 --> 02:43:06,479
again 2,000 and

3613
02:43:02,600 --> 02:43:08,760
3,500 that that would put us out of line

3614
02:43:06,479 --> 02:43:11,120
and would then create perhaps a

3615
02:43:08,760 --> 02:43:12,960
precedence uh for other municipalities

3616
02:43:11,120 --> 02:43:15,040
to try and match us which I we wouldn't

3617
02:43:12,960 --> 02:43:18,120
want them to do but also it would put

3618
02:43:15,040 --> 02:43:21,120
pressure on perhaps some other

3619
02:43:18,120 --> 02:43:24,640
indigenous nations which I'm not averse

3620
02:43:21,120 --> 02:43:26,640
to. I believe you know just a comment um

3621
02:43:24,640 --> 02:43:29,359
myself I would look and say okay I can

3622
02:43:26,640 --> 02:43:31,680
understand the 5,000 um based on what

3623
02:43:29,359 --> 02:43:33,399
was given last year I would consider

3624
02:43:31,680 --> 02:43:36,960
giving it halfway

3625
02:43:33,399 --> 02:43:41,640
between which is or even 3,000

3626
02:43:36,960 --> 02:43:44,760
um but that's just my temperature.

3627
02:43:41,640 --> 02:43:48,479
Um, so

3628
02:43:44,760 --> 02:43:50,399
again, it's I I'm open. I'd like to get

3629
02:43:48,479 --> 02:43:53,240
a consensus on it with regard to the

3630
02:43:50,399 --> 02:43:58,920
amount

3631
02:43:53,240 --> 02:43:58,920
staff. No, sorry. Okay.

3632
02:43:58,960 --> 02:44:04,080
I'll go with council mani first. Uh,

3633
02:44:02,479 --> 02:44:06,399
thank you, chair, and and and I'll just

3634
02:44:04,080 --> 02:44:08,640
make a comment. I I do believe last year

3635
02:44:06,399 --> 02:44:10,160
we did contribute to the South Island

3636
02:44:08,640 --> 02:44:12,560
Pow-Wow and I think that was a

3637
02:44:10,160 --> 02:44:15,520
contribution of $5,000. I know this is a

3638
02:44:12,560 --> 02:44:16,960
different event, I believe. So, but my

3639
02:44:15,520 --> 02:44:19,880
memory does fail me sometimes, so

3640
02:44:16,960 --> 02:44:22,640
perhaps Barb could check on that.

3641
02:44:19,880 --> 02:44:25,120
Um, I appreciate what councelor Sanjiv

3642
02:44:22,640 --> 02:44:27,840
is bringing forward. Just a thought, we

3643
02:44:25,120 --> 02:44:30,160
have two nations as does the Sanro

3644
02:44:27,840 --> 02:44:32,479
Sanich. Maybe we match that. I don't

3645
02:44:30,160 --> 02:44:35,040
know. That's just my thought. a match in

3646
02:44:32,479 --> 02:44:39,439
the sense of $3,500.

3647
02:44:35,040 --> 02:44:42,640
$3,500. $3,500. Yeah. Okay.

3648
02:44:39,439 --> 02:44:44,640
I could accept that. Um, so right now we

3649
02:44:42,640 --> 02:44:47,439
have council mint looking at 2,000.

3650
02:44:44,640 --> 02:44:49,279
Councilor Stock perhaps at 2,000. Yeah.

3651
02:44:47,439 --> 02:44:51,279
Council Marshall, do you have a number?

3652
02:44:49,279 --> 02:44:53,600
3500.

3653
02:44:51,279 --> 02:44:55,600
Yeah. Uh, could we look to council

3654
02:44:53,600 --> 02:44:57,640
mccllintok and perhaps councelor stock

3655
02:44:55,600 --> 02:45:00,160
to to bring their number up to that

3656
02:44:57,640 --> 02:45:02,800
3500? I know Sanjie is not happy with

3657
02:45:00,160 --> 02:45:04,960
35. Who wants the five

3658
02:45:02,800 --> 02:45:06,960
through the chair? We're looking at an

3659
02:45:04,960 --> 02:45:09,760
inflation amount that has taken place

3660
02:45:06,960 --> 02:45:13,000
from last year. And the irony is that we

3661
02:45:09,760 --> 02:45:15,920
do have funds for the First Nation

3662
02:45:13,000 --> 02:45:19,760
relations. That amount every year we

3663
02:45:15,920 --> 02:45:22,080
allocate $15,000 for such events. It has

3664
02:45:19,760 --> 02:45:25,120
not been in use last I think last year

3665
02:45:22,080 --> 02:45:28,160
it was used a part of it. I see no

3666
02:45:25,120 --> 02:45:30,240
reason why it cannot be used. Now with

3667
02:45:28,160 --> 02:45:32,319
regards to other districts being able to

3668
02:45:30,240 --> 02:45:34,160
match that or not that is up to them to

3669
02:45:32,319 --> 02:45:36,160
make a decision. This is for us to make

3670
02:45:34,160 --> 02:45:38,960
a decision whether we would like to

3671
02:45:36,160 --> 02:45:41,600
contribute towards this activity or not.

3672
02:45:38,960 --> 02:45:42,720
I think we should but again I'll leave

3673
02:45:41,600 --> 02:45:45,120
it to the council. But are you prepared

3674
02:45:42,720 --> 02:45:46,800
to come down 1500 if councelor McKin

3675
02:45:45,120 --> 02:45:51,319
Clark and councelor stock prepared to

3676
02:45:46,800 --> 02:45:51,319
come up by 1500? $4,549.50.

3677
02:45:53,840 --> 02:45:59,520
I was just uh chair. Thank you. Just a

3678
02:45:56,560 --> 02:46:02,080
short comment. I councelor McConi

3679
02:45:59,520 --> 02:46:05,279
reminded me that we might get another

3680
02:46:02,080 --> 02:46:08,080
request for funding that South Island

3681
02:46:05,279 --> 02:46:10,479
Pow-Wow and it is a big event. So, we

3682
02:46:08,080 --> 02:46:13,120
would have to give them that event as

3683
02:46:10,479 --> 02:46:16,640
well at le probably what we gave them

3684
02:46:13,120 --> 02:46:20,240
last year. Uh you said it was 5,000 and

3685
02:46:16,640 --> 02:46:22,800
I think you're right. So then I you know

3686
02:46:20,240 --> 02:46:25,279
what if we get another request again? I

3687
02:46:22,800 --> 02:46:28,399
I just think we should be careful

3688
02:46:25,279 --> 02:46:31,120
because 15,000 doesn't go that far if we

3689
02:46:28,399 --> 02:46:33,120
give five for the South Island Powow,

3690
02:46:31,120 --> 02:46:38,319
which we probably will get a request

3691
02:46:33,120 --> 02:46:41,040
for. Um, and yeah, so I'm I'm thinking,

3692
02:46:38,319 --> 02:46:46,479
you know, I was thinking between two two

3693
02:46:41,040 --> 02:46:50,240
and 3,000. Move it up. Come on.

3694
02:46:46,479 --> 02:46:53,240
I wasn't really thinking 3500, but it's

3695
02:46:50,240 --> 02:46:53,240
compromise.

3696
02:46:53,279 --> 02:47:01,439
I know. Well, I do compromise a lot.

3697
02:46:57,680 --> 02:47:02,760
Yeah. Council McKento.

3698
02:47:01,439 --> 02:47:07,680
Yes. Thank you.

3699
02:47:02,760 --> 02:47:10,000
Um I still think that uh $2,000 is a is

3700
02:47:07,680 --> 02:47:12,000
a generous contribution. These numbers

3701
02:47:10,000 --> 02:47:15,160
that were that were just pulling out of

3702
02:47:12,000 --> 02:47:17,680
the atmosphere um

3703
02:47:15,160 --> 02:47:19,920
5,3500 it's they seem to be so random.

3704
02:47:17,680 --> 02:47:22,800
They're not based on anything except

3705
02:47:19,920 --> 02:47:25,200
giving money away. Um I know when we

3706
02:47:22,800 --> 02:47:29,439
give to other organizations, sometimes

3707
02:47:25,200 --> 02:47:31,359
we want a um uh not an audit, but we

3708
02:47:29,439 --> 02:47:35,520
least we at least want to know where the

3709
02:47:31,359 --> 02:47:37,600
money's being spent. Now, if we're just

3710
02:47:35,520 --> 02:47:39,439
um writing a blank check, I've got no

3711
02:47:37,600 --> 02:47:42,160
problem with writing a $2,000 blank

3712
02:47:39,439 --> 02:47:44,560
check. I don't I do have a problem

3713
02:47:42,160 --> 02:47:47,680
writing a $5,000 blank check with no

3714
02:47:44,560 --> 02:47:52,760
accountability. So, um, rather than get

3715
02:47:47,680 --> 02:47:52,760
into that area, I'd be happy to stay.

3716
02:47:53,160 --> 02:47:58,359
Okay. Sorry, staff. I'm reluctant to

3717
02:47:56,240 --> 02:48:01,120
offer another yet another option for

3718
02:47:58,359 --> 02:48:02,960
consideration. Um, I

3719
02:48:01,120 --> 02:48:04,560
um it is possible that we could respond

3720
02:48:02,960 --> 02:48:07,439
to them saying we that there is interest

3721
02:48:04,560 --> 02:48:09,120
to fund them and u inquiring about the

3722
02:48:07,439 --> 02:48:11,600
level of funding they're seeking. Okay.

3723
02:48:09,120 --> 02:48:13,120
and and and or discuss with member

3724
02:48:11,600 --> 02:48:16,160
municipalities and I think we would be

3725
02:48:13,120 --> 02:48:17,680
able to come back at the June 23rd if we

3726
02:48:16,160 --> 02:48:18,960
reach out following the meeting we might

3727
02:48:17,680 --> 02:48:21,960
be able to get better information for

3728
02:48:18,960 --> 02:48:21,960
council

3729
02:48:22,479 --> 02:48:25,800
oh sorry

3730
02:48:25,920 --> 02:48:31,040
council Sanjief what do you think that

3731
02:48:27,920 --> 02:48:35,200
we based on what staff suggestion

3732
02:48:31,040 --> 02:48:37,840
I'm just looking a document from uh Octo

3733
02:48:35,200 --> 02:48:39,840
September 30th 2023

3734
02:48:37,840 --> 02:48:42,000
uh marking the ation for truth and

3735
02:48:39,840 --> 02:48:44,640
reconciliation and the council approve a

3736
02:48:42,000 --> 02:48:46,080
5,000 donation to the power which

3737
02:48:44,640 --> 02:48:50,080
matched the district's previous

3738
02:48:46,080 --> 02:48:52,720
contribution from 2022. So 5,000 this is

3739
02:48:50,080 --> 02:48:55,840
on our district's website is not and

3740
02:48:52,720 --> 02:49:00,800
these are from minutes of the

3741
02:48:55,840 --> 02:49:04,080
um August 23rd uh 2023 meeting. So this

3742
02:49:00,800 --> 02:49:06,319
is something that we have done $5,000.

3743
02:49:04,080 --> 02:49:08,000
So I see no rationale

3744
02:49:06,319 --> 02:49:10,240
for the south island but this is a

3745
02:49:08,000 --> 02:49:12,640
different one. It makes no difference.

3746
02:49:10,240 --> 02:49:15,279
Uh whoever has come first we offering it

3747
02:49:12,640 --> 02:49:18,680
to them. So we have a power. This is the

3748
02:49:15,279 --> 02:49:21,920
first time that uh

3749
02:49:18,680 --> 02:49:26,080
um sip has reached out and I think we

3750
02:49:21,920 --> 02:49:27,840
should contribute to 5,000. Thank you.

3751
02:49:26,080 --> 02:49:30,240
Okay. We have a motion that's not

3752
02:49:27,840 --> 02:49:34,439
seconded right now on on the floor for

3753
02:49:30,240 --> 02:49:38,720
for 5,000. Um, obviously we're having

3754
02:49:34,439 --> 02:49:40,479
a I've not seen any other motion.

3755
02:49:38,720 --> 02:49:43,359
Chair, I just wanted through you chair

3756
02:49:40,479 --> 02:49:45,439
to staff. I I like their idea because

3757
02:49:43,359 --> 02:49:48,560
then we'll know, you know, exactly what

3758
02:49:45,439 --> 02:49:50,880
we're dealing with. I I I just feel that

3759
02:49:48,560 --> 02:49:53,200
we're we are kind of grabbing numbers

3760
02:49:50,880 --> 02:49:55,760
and I want to make sure we have enough

3761
02:49:53,200 --> 02:49:59,680
for the South Island POW because that is

3762
02:49:55,760 --> 02:50:03,800
going to it is a huge event and uh and

3763
02:49:59,680 --> 02:50:08,319
we do we have often or very often

3764
02:50:03,800 --> 02:50:10,720
contributed at least $5,000. So, I I

3765
02:50:08,319 --> 02:50:13,600
just want to I don't want to not give

3766
02:50:10,720 --> 02:50:15,520
enough, but I think if staff finds out

3767
02:50:13,600 --> 02:50:18,319
the information, then we'll be more

3768
02:50:15,520 --> 02:50:22,479
informed as to what we're providing.

3769
02:50:18,319 --> 02:50:23,760
Thank you, chair. Thank you. We got a

3770
02:50:22,479 --> 02:50:26,160
choice. Right now, there's a motion on

3771
02:50:23,760 --> 02:50:27,920
the floor. Again, not seconded. Um, if

3772
02:50:26,160 --> 02:50:30,560
we get a second motion on the floor with

3773
02:50:27,920 --> 02:50:33,840
a diff that's different, then we have to

3774
02:50:30,560 --> 02:50:36,160
consider that as well. So right now I

3775
02:50:33,840 --> 02:50:38,160
will ask for a seconder based on the

3776
02:50:36,160 --> 02:50:42,399
main the motion that councelor Sanjie

3777
02:50:38,160 --> 02:50:45,200
has put forward. Do we have a seconder?

3778
02:50:42,399 --> 02:50:47,680
Okay, councelor mccllintok sorry

3779
02:50:45,200 --> 02:50:49,720
councelor mcconi. I was looking at Jack

3780
02:50:47,680 --> 02:50:53,840
to see what he was

3781
02:50:49,720 --> 02:50:55,520
doing for any questions. Uh so we have a

3782
02:50:53,840 --> 02:50:57,359
motion. We have a second. Is there any

3783
02:50:55,520 --> 02:51:01,160
further discussion on it or is there a

3784
02:50:57,359 --> 02:51:01,160
motion a second motion?

3785
02:51:02,640 --> 02:51:11,240
I'll make a second motion that we

3786
02:51:04,800 --> 02:51:11,240
provide um this group with uh

3787
02:51:12,279 --> 02:51:18,160
$3,000 $3500.

3788
02:51:15,760 --> 02:51:21,760
I'd second 3500, but we have a question

3789
02:51:18,160 --> 02:51:23,520
from from Council Mint first.

3790
02:51:21,760 --> 02:51:26,399
We need you for supporting this. Yes,

3791
02:51:23,520 --> 02:51:28,080
thank you. I I'm I'm not about to make

3792
02:51:26,399 --> 02:51:29,520
I'm I think we have a motion on the on

3793
02:51:28,080 --> 02:51:31,520
the floor that we have to vote on first

3794
02:51:29,520 --> 02:51:34,160
and this is a amendment I believe.

3795
02:51:31,520 --> 02:51:36,359
However, I um I am encouraged by the uh

3796
02:51:34,160 --> 02:51:39,920
by Mr.

3797
02:51:36,359 --> 02:51:43,120
Martin's suggestion that we take this

3798
02:51:39,920 --> 02:51:46,560
back to the to the uh the letter writer

3799
02:51:43,120 --> 02:51:48,319
and see what it is um and see what it is

3800
02:51:46,560 --> 02:51:49,359
they're uh they may be looking for.

3801
02:51:48,319 --> 02:51:52,479
Perhaps we can get a little bit

3802
02:51:49,359 --> 02:51:56,000
enlightenment as far as um from the

3803
02:51:52,479 --> 02:51:58,640
community. um rather than us telling

3804
02:51:56,000 --> 02:52:02,160
them what's best for them, perhaps they

3805
02:51:58,640 --> 02:52:04,359
can tell us what's best for them.

3806
02:52:02,160 --> 02:52:07,120
Uh well, right now we have an

3807
02:52:04,359 --> 02:52:10,439
amended motion from councelor Stock.

3808
02:52:07,120 --> 02:52:13,840
It's not seconded yet.

3809
02:52:10,439 --> 02:52:15,319
Um so we got to look at this right now.

3810
02:52:13,840 --> 02:52:18,520
Is there a second or

3811
02:52:15,319 --> 02:52:21,439
counselor councelor Stock's

3812
02:52:18,520 --> 02:52:24,240
motion? I'll motion I'll second it for

3813
02:52:21,439 --> 02:52:24,240
discussion.

3814
02:52:24,600 --> 02:52:30,920
Um now the question becomes is amendment

3815
02:52:28,479 --> 02:52:34,920
of a potential

3816
02:52:30,920 --> 02:52:34,920
amendment. So

3817
02:52:34,960 --> 02:52:41,439
we should just vote on councelor

3818
02:52:37,359 --> 02:52:44,000
Sanchie's motion. We can um we'd have to

3819
02:52:41,439 --> 02:52:46,319
withdraw. Um and I would certainly be

3820
02:52:44,000 --> 02:52:48,640
prepared to withdraw. So you I'll

3821
02:52:46,319 --> 02:52:50,399
withdraw my my amendment to councelor

3822
02:52:48,640 --> 02:52:53,600
Sanjie's motion. I'll withdraw my

3823
02:52:50,399 --> 02:52:55,040
motion. Okay. Staff. Okay. Uh so now we

3824
02:52:53,600 --> 02:52:57,120
just have the one motion on the floor

3825
02:52:55,040 --> 02:53:00,640
which is councelor Sanjie. Uh any

3826
02:52:57,120 --> 02:53:02,880
further comments? Councelor Marshall.

3827
02:53:00,640 --> 02:53:04,560
Uh yeah. So I I definitely think we do

3828
02:53:02,880 --> 02:53:06,240
need to support them. I appreciate

3829
02:53:04,560 --> 02:53:08,720
staff's comment to go back and ask what

3830
02:53:06,240 --> 02:53:10,000
it is that they are looking for. Um so

3831
02:53:08,720 --> 02:53:11,200
I'm willing to support that because it

3832
02:53:10,000 --> 02:53:12,800
also might give us more information as

3833
02:53:11,200 --> 02:53:14,080
to what it's going to go towards. It's

3834
02:53:12,800 --> 02:53:17,279
not that I'm not going to support the

3835
02:53:14,080 --> 02:53:19,520
$5,000. Um I I think we have $15,000 in

3836
02:53:17,279 --> 02:53:21,920
the indigenous fund, 5,000 and 5,000 for

3837
02:53:19,520 --> 02:53:25,120
the South Island. POW still leaves us

3838
02:53:21,920 --> 02:53:26,800
five. Um, but I'm not prepared to vote

3839
02:53:25,120 --> 02:53:28,560
for the 5,000. Not because I disagree

3840
02:53:26,800 --> 02:53:33,760
with 5,000, but I think we do need to go

3841
02:53:28,560 --> 02:53:38,279
back to um, uh, R and K. Samson first.

3842
02:53:33,760 --> 02:53:41,439
Okay. Then we need a second motion.

3843
02:53:38,279 --> 02:53:43,200
Um, because Council Mckento brought up

3844
02:53:41,439 --> 02:53:44,800
this aspect of it, but he didn't put

3845
02:53:43,200 --> 02:53:46,720
didn't put a motion. So, we haven't

3846
02:53:44,800 --> 02:53:48,760
taken a vote on the first motion yet or

3847
02:53:46,720 --> 02:53:52,240
the the only motion that's on the floor.

3848
02:53:48,760 --> 02:53:53,840
So is that a motion?

3849
02:53:52,240 --> 02:53:56,479
Um, sure. I will make the motion to

3850
02:53:53,840 --> 02:53:58,240
receive the email dated May 12th, 2025

3851
02:53:56,479 --> 02:54:01,200
from R. Samson and Kane Samson with

3852
02:53:58,240 --> 02:54:03,680
subject line request for support 30th

3853
02:54:01,200 --> 02:54:06,560
annual intertribal pow-ow July 25th

3854
02:54:03,680 --> 02:54:10,319
27th, 2025 with Santa school board uh

3855
02:54:06,560 --> 02:54:12,960
field and further direct staff to um

3856
02:54:10,319 --> 02:54:14,479
contact R Samson and K Samson and

3857
02:54:12,960 --> 02:54:16,479
request the amount that they're looking

3858
02:54:14,479 --> 02:54:18,640
for and details as to what it will be

3859
02:54:16,479 --> 02:54:21,439
used for. Okay. Thank you.

3860
02:54:18,640 --> 02:54:25,080
Seconded councelor Stark. Any further

3861
02:54:21,439 --> 02:54:25,080
comments? Councelor Mcccleintoch.

3862
02:54:26,720 --> 02:54:30,120
Thank you, chair. I was just going to

3863
02:54:27,760 --> 02:54:32,399
second that.

3864
02:54:30,120 --> 02:54:35,040
Okay. It's already been seconded, but

3865
02:54:32,399 --> 02:54:37,040
thanks for doing it.

3866
02:54:35,040 --> 02:54:38,640
Second. One last thing. Thor, I we can

3867
02:54:37,040 --> 02:54:40,720
I'm just going to add a date to that.

3868
02:54:38,640 --> 02:54:43,840
So, we'll have the report back for our

3869
02:54:40,720 --> 02:54:44,640
June 23rd uh regular meeting because I

3870
02:54:43,840 --> 02:54:46,800
just want to make sure we're not going

3871
02:54:44,640 --> 02:54:48,399
to meet the dead. We're not going to um

3872
02:54:46,800 --> 02:54:50,960
miss a deadline that they need it for.

3873
02:54:48,399 --> 02:54:53,040
Is that okay? June 7th. Oh, June 7th.

3874
02:54:50,960 --> 02:54:57,520
Sorry. So, have a back for June 7th

3875
02:54:53,040 --> 02:54:59,279
regular council meeting.

3876
02:54:57,520 --> 02:55:00,640
Mr. Mayor, if I if I might just

3877
02:54:59,279 --> 02:55:03,040
procedurally, so you've got an

3878
02:55:00,640 --> 02:55:06,479
undisposed motion first, which is the

3879
02:55:03,040 --> 02:55:08,720
$5,000 contribution. Um, based on

3880
02:55:06,479 --> 02:55:11,920
whether or not council supports what

3881
02:55:08,720 --> 02:55:14,240
what the the secondary motion was,

3882
02:55:11,920 --> 02:55:16,240
council could postpone consideration of

3883
02:55:14,240 --> 02:55:18,720
the original motion as opposed to

3884
02:55:16,240 --> 02:55:22,399
defeating it and and have that come back

3885
02:55:18,720 --> 02:55:26,200
on the 23rd with staff's report. Okay.

3886
02:55:22,399 --> 02:55:28,560
So, we need a motion to postpone. Okay.

3887
02:55:26,200 --> 02:55:32,760
Um, Council Sanji, you prepare to put up

3888
02:55:28,560 --> 02:55:32,760
a motion to propo postpone?

3889
02:55:38,800 --> 02:55:45,160
I would be reluctant to do it because I

3890
02:55:42,000 --> 02:55:48,479
think we keep on arguing on small

3891
02:55:45,160 --> 02:55:51,200
amounts and every time it involves First

3892
02:55:48,479 --> 02:55:55,520
Nations there is always dragging the

3893
02:55:51,200 --> 02:55:58,439
feet that takes place. This is a a there

3894
02:55:55,520 --> 02:56:01,359
is an allocated funds for such

3895
02:55:58,439 --> 02:56:04,960
activities and I see no reason that the

3896
02:56:01,359 --> 02:56:08,240
district cannot use those funds for this

3897
02:56:04,960 --> 02:56:10,560
purpose. Okay. Thank you. Okay.

3898
02:56:08,240 --> 02:56:12,880
Unfortunately, if I may, uh, chair, I

3899
02:56:10,560 --> 02:56:14,479
think we're reaching 10:00 if we need to

3900
02:56:12,880 --> 02:56:17,000
continue for this. I was going to bring

3901
02:56:14,479 --> 02:56:19,760
it up. Um,

3902
02:56:17,000 --> 02:56:22,479
we've I'm looking for a motion to extend

3903
02:56:19,760 --> 02:56:24,760
by 15 minutes. I'll make a motion. Okay.

3904
02:56:22,479 --> 02:56:28,560
Second by 15 minutes

3905
02:56:24,760 --> 02:56:29,560
seconded council Sanjie any comments

3906
02:56:28,560 --> 02:56:31,720
those in

3907
02:56:29,560 --> 02:56:35,359
favor those

3908
02:56:31,720 --> 02:56:37,760
opposed it's copied 51 with council

3909
02:56:35,359 --> 02:56:39,680
mccllin talk in opposition okay this

3910
02:56:37,760 --> 02:56:43,600
let's keep uh keep going so I'm looking

3911
02:56:39,680 --> 02:56:45,279
now for a motion based on um I've

3912
02:56:43,600 --> 02:56:47,920
forgotten what the motion is but based

3913
02:56:45,279 --> 02:56:49,439
on going staff going back and asking

3914
02:56:47,920 --> 02:56:52,319
basically

3915
02:56:49,439 --> 02:56:55,640
how is oh do no um do you want me to

3916
02:56:52,319 --> 02:56:55,640
vote on that.

3917
02:56:56,399 --> 02:56:59,359
Yes. I mean, I think that you're Oh,

3918
02:56:57,920 --> 02:57:01,200
that's the motion to the second the

3919
02:56:59,359 --> 02:57:04,880
second the Yeah, but I'm looking for a

3920
02:57:01,200 --> 02:57:07,120
motion. Sorry. Motion to postpone,

3921
02:57:04,880 --> 02:57:08,160
but he said he didn't want to. Yeah, but

3922
02:57:07,120 --> 02:57:09,760
that was I was giving him the

3923
02:57:08,160 --> 02:57:11,520
opportunity to do it. It doesn't stop

3924
02:57:09,760 --> 02:57:14,840
any other counselor from putting it up

3925
02:57:11,520 --> 02:57:14,840
as as a

3926
02:57:15,840 --> 02:57:21,920
chair. Okay. I'll make a motion to

3927
02:57:17,960 --> 02:57:23,160
postpone councelor Sanjie's motion with

3928
02:57:21,920 --> 02:57:27,279
regard to

3929
02:57:23,160 --> 02:57:32,479
$5,000 to the requester uh to the June

3930
02:57:27,279 --> 02:57:34,960
3r sorry June 23rd meeting June 9th the

3931
02:57:32,479 --> 02:57:38,560
next council meeting is June 9th

3932
02:57:34,960 --> 02:57:42,439
okay sorry to the June 9th meeting of

3933
02:57:38,560 --> 02:57:45,240
regular meeting of council okay need a

3934
02:57:42,439 --> 02:57:49,479
second do we have a

3935
02:57:45,240 --> 02:57:51,600
Second. No. And I can council Clint

3936
02:57:49,479 --> 02:57:53,840
second. Okay. Either of you wish to

3937
02:57:51,600 --> 02:57:56,319
motivate further.

3938
02:57:53,840 --> 02:57:58,479
Well, I think you know it's a it's a

3939
02:57:56,319 --> 02:58:02,640
good idea because then we can consider

3940
02:57:58,479 --> 02:58:06,720
his motion on that date along with the

3941
02:58:02,640 --> 02:58:09,279
the uh information which staff probably

3942
02:58:06,720 --> 02:58:12,319
will have received by then. And so we

3943
02:58:09,279 --> 02:58:16,160
can then decide, you know, as a council,

3944
02:58:12,319 --> 02:58:19,279
as a an entity, as a team, what it is.

3945
02:58:16,160 --> 02:58:21,920
Um should we go with councelor Sanjie's

3946
02:58:19,279 --> 02:58:24,960
motion or should we go with a different

3947
02:58:21,920 --> 02:58:28,359
amount? Uh because of what staff has

3948
02:58:24,960 --> 02:58:30,640
found out. Thank you. Thank

3949
02:58:28,359 --> 02:58:32,520
you. So we have a motion. We have a

3950
02:58:30,640 --> 02:58:35,040
second. Any further

3951
02:58:32,520 --> 02:58:36,920
comments? Okay. We have a motion on the

3952
02:58:35,040 --> 02:58:40,439
floor to

3953
02:58:36,920 --> 02:58:43,760
postpone. Uh those in

3954
02:58:40,439 --> 02:58:47,279
favor? Those opposed?

3955
02:58:43,760 --> 02:58:49,760
It's 33. So the motion fails.

3956
02:58:47,279 --> 02:58:52,680
So now we only have one motion that's on

3957
02:58:49,760 --> 02:58:57,640
the floor right now, which is the

3958
02:58:52,680 --> 02:59:02,120
$5,000. And again, do we have a sec a

3959
02:58:57,640 --> 02:59:02,120
motion? Councelor Marshall?

3960
02:59:02,240 --> 02:59:05,520
Yep, I'll second it. I'll also just add

3961
02:59:03,840 --> 02:59:06,880
that I do appreciate that I did say

3962
02:59:05,520 --> 02:59:09,920
originally yes, let's postpone

3963
02:59:06,880 --> 02:59:11,600
consideration to staff, but uh I am

3964
02:59:09,920 --> 02:59:13,439
reconsidering that and I appreciate what

3965
02:59:11,600 --> 02:59:15,920
councelor Sanjie have said. We do have

3966
02:59:13,439 --> 02:59:17,680
$15,000 in there. We give 5,000

3967
02:59:15,920 --> 02:59:19,040
historically to the South Island

3968
02:59:17,680 --> 02:59:21,600
Pow-Wow. It doesn't make sense to me

3969
02:59:19,040 --> 02:59:24,640
that we would give less to this organiz

3970
02:59:21,600 --> 02:59:26,960
to to this pow-wow. So, um I will be

3971
02:59:24,640 --> 02:59:28,800
voting for the 5,000. Okay, no problem.

3972
02:59:26,960 --> 02:59:31,520
So, we have a motion on the floor with

3973
02:59:28,800 --> 02:59:33,920
that's council council Sanji $5,000 is

3974
02:59:31,520 --> 02:59:35,640
seconded. Any further comments? No

3975
02:59:33,920 --> 02:59:38,200
further comments. Those in

3976
02:59:35,640 --> 02:59:40,960
favor? Those

3977
02:59:38,200 --> 02:59:45,439
opposed? Motion carries 42 with

3978
02:59:40,960 --> 02:59:45,439
councelor Stock and councelor Mckento in

3979
02:59:48,600 --> 02:59:56,319
opposition. And now we move on to letter

3980
02:59:52,319 --> 03:00:00,120
dated May 20, 2025 from Miss Dolman.

3981
02:59:56,319 --> 03:00:00,120
Sorry to keep you waiting.

3982
03:00:02,120 --> 03:00:09,920
Um staff, anything to add?

3983
03:00:07,200 --> 03:00:11,600
Uh thank you to the chair. Just to thank

3984
03:00:09,920 --> 03:00:13,920
um Miss Dolman for the letter. We've

3985
03:00:11,600 --> 03:00:17,080
already received it into our intake for

3986
03:00:13,920 --> 03:00:19,359
the Tatlo engagement and

3987
03:00:17,080 --> 03:00:22,319
um yeah, just to thank her for the

3988
03:00:19,359 --> 03:00:25,560
comments. Thank you. Council, anything

3989
03:00:22,319 --> 03:00:25,560
to add?

3990
03:00:25,600 --> 03:00:32,720
It's just a received right now.

3991
03:00:28,279 --> 03:00:34,640
Um, so if we got no comments, um, I'm

3992
03:00:32,720 --> 03:00:35,840
look for a motion to receive. And if

3993
03:00:34,640 --> 03:00:37,600
there's anything different, you're going

3994
03:00:35,840 --> 03:00:40,080
to give direction. I'll need a motion

3995
03:00:37,600 --> 03:00:42,240
for that.

3996
03:00:40,080 --> 03:00:46,399
I'll make the staff recommendation that

3997
03:00:42,240 --> 03:00:48,600
council receive uh, Ms. uh, Dolman's

3998
03:00:46,399 --> 03:00:51,479
letter dated May 20th,

3999
03:00:48,600 --> 03:00:54,960
2025 regarding traffic calming and

4000
03:00:51,479 --> 03:00:57,200
further to direct staff. I don't know

4001
03:00:54,960 --> 03:00:59,920
what we want to direct staff to do. It

4002
03:00:57,200 --> 03:01:04,160
can be just to receive. Okay. Just

4003
03:00:59,920 --> 03:01:06,399
receive the letter then number one.

4004
03:01:04,160 --> 03:01:10,880
And before I look for a second, any

4005
03:01:06,399 --> 03:01:12,479
questions? Nope. Council of Mongi.

4006
03:01:10,880 --> 03:01:14,640
Uh, thank you, Chair, and through the

4007
03:01:12,479 --> 03:01:17,359
chair to staff, I just want to confirm

4008
03:01:14,640 --> 03:01:19,600
that uh, Mr. Martin, you did say that

4009
03:01:17,359 --> 03:01:21,279
Miss Dolman's letter had been received

4010
03:01:19,600 --> 03:01:25,760
and that it was going to be included

4011
03:01:21,279 --> 03:01:28,640
into the Tatlo road um traffic study for

4012
03:01:25,760 --> 03:01:32,000
for reference consideration, etc. Okay.

4013
03:01:28,640 --> 03:01:32,960
So, we really don't need to do much

4014
03:01:32,000 --> 03:01:34,800
more, I don't think. So, don't need to

4015
03:01:32,960 --> 03:01:37,960
run through. So, it's just now just to

4016
03:01:34,800 --> 03:01:41,080
receive receive it. Okay. So, we have a

4017
03:01:37,960 --> 03:01:44,120
second council Sanjief. Any further

4018
03:01:41,080 --> 03:01:47,120
comments? No further comments. Those in

4019
03:01:44,120 --> 03:01:47,120
favor?

4020
03:01:47,880 --> 03:01:51,760
unanimous. Now we move on to item 11,

4021
03:01:50,240 --> 03:01:55,520
which is for information and look for a

4022
03:01:51,760 --> 03:01:57,120
consent resolution from items A to F.

4023
03:01:55,520 --> 03:01:59,359
Don't give up, guys. I need a consent

4024
03:01:57,120 --> 03:02:02,160
resolution and I'm looking to my right.

4025
03:01:59,359 --> 03:02:04,720
Right, I'll do that. Uh recommendation

4026
03:02:02,160 --> 03:02:06,960
that the council the correspondence for

4027
03:02:04,720 --> 03:02:09,439
council's information. Sorry, where am

4028
03:02:06,960 --> 03:02:12,000
I? That's okay. Um,

4029
03:02:09,439 --> 03:02:15,040
is it okay just just to do the consent

4030
03:02:12,000 --> 03:02:18,800
resolution without stating all of items

4031
03:02:15,040 --> 03:02:20,319
A to F? Okay. So, it's consent. So, the

4032
03:02:18,800 --> 03:02:23,080
motion is just a consent resolution

4033
03:02:20,319 --> 03:02:25,520
items A to F. Recommendation that the

4034
03:02:23,080 --> 03:02:28,800
council correspondence for council's

4035
03:02:25,520 --> 03:02:31,840
information on May 26, 2025. No, no, no,

4036
03:02:28,800 --> 03:02:34,359
no. Where am I? No. Oh, sorry. The

4037
03:02:31,840 --> 03:02:38,600
council receive all correspondence from

4038
03:02:34,359 --> 03:02:42,000
A2F for information. Correct. Okay.

4039
03:02:38,600 --> 03:02:42,000
Seconded comes the

4040
03:02:43,080 --> 03:02:46,319
marshall. I told you guys if you don't

4041
03:02:45,200 --> 03:02:49,960
put your hands up quick enough, you're

4042
03:02:46,319 --> 03:02:49,960
going to be army volunteers.

4043
03:02:50,960 --> 03:02:56,640
Yeah, she's put her hand up

4044
03:02:53,399 --> 03:02:59,279
enough. Uh, any comments? No comments?

4045
03:02:56,640 --> 03:03:00,920
Those in favor? Unanimous. There is no

4046
03:02:59,279 --> 03:03:03,680
horizon report. I look for a motion for

4047
03:03:00,920 --> 03:03:06,920
adjournment. Councelor Stark. Yes. Thank

4048
03:03:03,680 --> 03:03:10,880
you. Seconded. Move adjourn. Oh,

4049
03:03:06,920 --> 03:03:13,600
seconded. Councelor Marshall. Um, excuse

4050
03:03:10,880 --> 03:03:16,399
me, Mayor. I voted against that.

4051
03:03:13,600 --> 03:03:20,160
Sorry. I voted against the unanimous uh

4052
03:03:16,399 --> 03:03:23,800
or the um motion

4053
03:03:20,160 --> 03:03:23,800
against the last

4054
03:03:25,600 --> 03:03:29,120
the consent resolution. Oh, I'm I'm

4055
03:03:27,279 --> 03:03:30,960
sorry. You voted against it. That's

4056
03:03:29,120 --> 03:03:32,880
correct. Oh, I'm my apologies. I didn't

4057
03:03:30,960 --> 03:03:36,319
I didn't notice. Did we even take a

4058
03:03:32,880 --> 03:03:39,120
vote? Yep. Oh, okay. So it is carried 51

4059
03:03:36,319 --> 03:03:41,120
with councelor mckintok in opposition

4060
03:03:39,120 --> 03:03:43,439
and council mcka thanks for pointing

4061
03:03:41,120 --> 03:03:44,960
that that out. So there is no rising

4062
03:03:43,439 --> 03:03:48,080
report. We got a motion ready for

4063
03:03:44,960 --> 03:03:49,800
adjournment. We got a seconder marshall.

4064
03:03:48,080 --> 03:03:52,720
Those in

4065
03:03:49,800 --> 03:03:56,399
favor unanimous. That one always seems

4066
03:03:52,720 --> 03:03:59,600
to get a unanimous. I don't know why

4067
03:03:56,399 --> 03:03:59,600
I wanted to watch milk