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[Captioner present]

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>> It is 9:01.

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We're going to call to order the meeting of the Mendocino County

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Board of Supervisors.

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Supervisor Klein is going to lead us in the pledge today.

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We'll open the podium up to public comment on non agenda

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items.

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>> Good morning, supervisors.

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With the chair's permission we would like to address item R

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five on the agenda this morning .

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At noon yesterday voting on the tentative agreement

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between the county and SCIU tend to were closed.

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We are proud to announce an overwhelming 96.9% approval.

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We would like to thank the bargaining team the Contract

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action team and the membership for their time,

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and active participation in negotiation activities.

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We would like to thank the management teams

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and heads of all departments for supporting an environment where

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staff felt safe to engage in their constitutional right

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to participate in collective bargaining

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and we would also like to thank you the Board of Supervisors

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for listening in for bargaining in good faith.

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No unfair labor practices were filed this time around.

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Marked improvement over last time.

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We almost had it done on time.

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We know how much we all don't love retro contracts

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but it gives us something to work towards in two

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and a half years so thank you very much.

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We urge you to vote yes on item R5.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Good morning.

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Lisa wiki.

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We are here today to support and celebrate Sarah

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being here in her new role.

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We are very excited about that.

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I wanted to share with you that we've

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done some great work with the County of Mendocino

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with Caltrans and P G and E and different organizations

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and here for a resource for you as you

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rock all the multifaceted different projects you all

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have to do so I wanted to share that

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and we are excited and happy to be a support here.

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Number two, we would love to be Agendized.

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We had 40 North Bay Construction Corps high School seniors

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from the County of Mendocino graduate this year.

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They are out working.

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Some of them are employed and we would

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love to come if you would give us a little bit of time

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maybe only ten minutes on the agenda

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to share with you about that program.

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It is a county wide program but I think you have a lot of hope

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and some pretty amazing young people

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out there wanting to be a part and stay in this county

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and work so I wanted to share that.

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And third, I can't help it but from the Construction Trade

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association we are obviously nervous about any change that

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happens in planning and building so anything we can do to make

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sure that permits still get out the door as expeditiously

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as we can and done the right way.

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We are excited and would like to be a part of any changes

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you make there.

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Thank you very much and thank you for your work.

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We will get you on the agenda.

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Thank you.

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>> Good morning.

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My name is Edward F. I'm just a citizen here

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and originally I was going to speak

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on behalf of the emergency ordinance

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on the moratorium for data centers.

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Data center processing centers.

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I started doing research on this and there

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is a mountain of research out there on it

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which I'm sure you will discover in the process

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but since today it's not on the agenda it's moved forward,

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I just want to mention a couple of things.

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First of all when these guys come

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looking to build a data center they're looking for cheap land,

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water and power and if they can't find it,

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they will build power plants and they will declare eminent domain

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for power line installation and they will buy properties.

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They were spending at one point, one rural landowner,

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they were paying him $45,000 an acre just as a sample.

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But so they create a lot of noise

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and they create air pollution.

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They pollute all the water they use

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which is millions of gallons of water a day.

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More than the city of Ukiah uses in a day of potable water.

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They return the water unusable.

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They also have noise pollution that will go a mile.

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It sounds like it constantly blower all day long 24/7.

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They like to use non-disclosure agreements

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to prevent local officials and workers from sharing information

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until the public input opportunity has passed.

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They've looked for any loophole in local ordinances

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to legitimize their process and so all I can say

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is I congratulate you for taking this on

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and I really hope you are successful

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and whatever you do with the ordinances and this moratorium,

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make it airtight because they have expensive lawyers.

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They can find any loophole in order

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to get their foot in the door.

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Anyhow thank you very much for doing what you are doing.

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>> Thank you.

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Supervisor Haschak.

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>> Yes.

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Just for the speaker's knowledge,

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that is coming back on September 1st.

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>> Anyone else in the room?

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Madam clerk?

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>> Seeing no further comment online.

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>> Thank you.

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We will move on to consent calendar.

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>> Proper notice has been established in all

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correspondence of any received has been sent to your email.

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>> Supervisor Haschak has asked for C 26 to be pulled

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for a separate consideration.

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Is there any other item that needs to be pulled?

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>> Thank you.

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I would like it if county council could provide

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a brief comment on item C nine related to any

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that the board received because (Indistinct)

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>> With the chair's permission, we received a Letter requesting

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item C9, which is the certification of the election .

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The certification of the election

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has to go through pursuant to state code

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whether the board approved it or not is sort of irrelevant.

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It would go through as certified anyway.

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The issue was related to the third district

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and whether there was residency there and with regard

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to the mandates of the Registrar of Voters

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in terms of the candidate, they are not

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required to verify or determine if a candidate meets

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the qualifications.

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They are by law entitled to rely on that candidates declaration

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under penalty of perjury, and they do not

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have any kind of investigative unit.

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Again, if citizens have concerns in terms of residency

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there are actions that citizens can take

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but not that the county would take.

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>> Thank you.

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Supervisor Haschak.

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>> On item C6 just for information supervisor Klein --

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Cline and I were meeting with the Council

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and we are happy with the outcome of it.

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Part of the changes made to the contract are the accounting

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of actual expenditures for inland versus the coast will be

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laid out and provided to the board in quarterly reports

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and also the California Welcome Center will be funded with

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a $10,000 matching funds and so the issue came up

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because the inland hoteliers that we were talking to were not

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happy with the representation from B and so we think this is

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a step forward.

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>> I just want to echo those comments and appreciation

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for the collaboration that did happen between the various

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stakeholders.

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There wasn't necessarily agreement at the onset

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but I think we are in a good place now

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and we are going to continue the conversation

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and make sure that we are getting the best

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results for our community.

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>> Thank you.

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We will open the podium to the consent calendar.

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Any public comments?

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>> Good morning.

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I Lucatelli chief probation officer.

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I wanted to quickly before addressing item C19I just

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wanted to take a minute to offer chief Probation Officer Marlon

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Washington of Marin County and his sudden tragic passing

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during our state Association meeting two weeks ago.

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This was definitely heartbreaking and unexpected.

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Prayers to his family and the Marin County Probation

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Department.

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C 19 is a proclamation.

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Probation Services Week July 19th through July 25th.

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If the board wouldn't mind I'd like

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to just read the proclamation and make a quick comment.

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Probation Services Week is observed annually to recognize

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and celebrate the important work performed by probation

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professionals throughout the nation and whereas probation is

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an alternative to incarceration and the Mendocino County

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Probation Department delivers pretrial release monitoring

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supervision and rehabilitation services to justice involved

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individuals being diverted from incarceration and reentering

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the community after incarceration and whereas

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probation professionals play a unique and essential role

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in our justice system and communities as trained experts

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with instruction in areas such as trauma informed care

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cognitive behavioral therapy and emotional intelligence

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and ensuring they are well equipped to address the complex

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needs of justice involved individuals and whereas

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probation is a connector in the justice system bridging the gap

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and maximizing

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the resources available within the courts

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local law enforcement behavioral health schools crime survivor

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organizations nonprofits and the community

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to reduce recidivism by carefully balancing

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direct human services and research based programing

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interfaces probation staff protect the public safety

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via proactive interventions.

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They are diverse trained professionals

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who provide supervision and treatment resources to protect

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and help people, families and communities address the problems

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that drive crime and whereas the probation staff respect victims

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rights and work to provide services

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and protection for victims and warehouse probation

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professionals are firm, consistent and focused

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on rehabilitation as they hold adult offenders

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in delinquent youth responsible for their actions,

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provide opportunity for behavioral changes

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and suitable incentives and sanctions

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and Whereas the Mendocino County Probation Department provides

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cost effective community based alternatives to incarceration

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by offering evidence based programing and connecting

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individuals to essential services such as mental health

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care,

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substance abuse treatment and housing support and lastly

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whereas the association focuses on supporting and advocating

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for policies that help justice involved individuals transition

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back to our community safely with a balance

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between opportunity and accountability

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and assure these policies will effectively

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address diverse needs of Mendocino County.

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I just want to take another minute

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to thank chair Norvell and Vice Chair Williams

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for sponsoring this proclamation.

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I'd like to thank my staff, these public safety

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professionals who play a critical role in the long term

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safety of our communities.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you, sir.

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Supervisor Williams.

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>> Question for County Counsel.

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Just a reminder I was a candidate in the election

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we are certifying.

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The county doesn't see any conflict there?

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>> There would be no need to recuse yourself.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Anyone else in the room?

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Madam clerk?

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>> Seeing no further comment online.

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>> Okay.

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Back to the board for discussion and action

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on the consent calendar minus C 26.

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>> Move approval.

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>> Second.

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>> By Supervisor Cline, Second by Supervisor Haschak.

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We all vote by the button.

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>> The motion carries unanimously.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Through the chair it appears interim CEO for C26I wanted

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to make one comment that it's going to require a 4/5 vote

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because it's a budget appropriation.

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The agenda says majority but it is a 4/5 >> Thank you.

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Supervisor >> With this appropriation of funds

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it's an extra $90,000 Going to the IWPC.

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A couple of years ago we were contributing 70 or 80,000 then

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it went up to 125,000 and then we were asked for another 90,000

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on top of that and our resolution that we passed was

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in support of the IWPC and what their position is in the work

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they are doing to create water security for the county and I

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totally support that.

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I just want to make sure that when we approve this,

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we are approving along with the money, our position in support

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of the IWPC and their actions because we've

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had a lot of controversy lately about IWPC

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versus the Elsinore Water District coming in

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and Trump administration getting involved in this.

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I think that for local control, IWPC

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has the path forward for water security in Mendocino County.

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So I'm moving approval of this action for the 9000

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with Support of the IWPC's position and control

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of local water resources.

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>> I'm going to ask you to hold that motion until public

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comment.

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Does anyone else have any discussion on this item?

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I'm going to open up comments to the room?

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None.

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Madam clerk?

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>> Seeing no comments online.

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>> Back to the board for questions or discussion?

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>> I will make the motion that I just made.

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>> Can I hear the motion again or maybe the clerk can read it

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back?

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>> I was going to ask for a clarity statement.

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>> Okay.

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So the motion is to approve the 900 $0 from the water agency

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fund with support of the IWPC's position and local control

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of our water security.

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>> Supervisor Cline

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>> Can we make a recommendation on policy in addition

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to approving this budget item?

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It seems like we are trying to conflate two different issues

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that are completely separate.

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>> So I think the motion is to do the appropriations,

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which is listed as the agenda item.

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I think the board can -- they can't direct what IWPC but we

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are a member there.

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They can ask for direction or request.

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I don't think they can condition the appropriations

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on that mandate so based on what we are doing here.

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But they can ask for a letter to go

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over stating their request for that position.

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>>.

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I guess for me I think, with board approval of the resolution

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that you are mentioning, I think that's the board direction.

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I understand where you are coming from but I do struggle

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a little bit with putting in -- seems a little bit like

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a political opinion into a motion for an appropriation

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of funds so I do struggle with that.

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I think the board passing the resolution and then this board

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supporting the $90,000 says exactly what you are trying

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to say, in my opinion.

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Supervisor Williams.

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>> I don't have a problem advocating for local control

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and I think we should approve that.

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I support the 90,000 so I will second the motion.

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>

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>> It is $90,000 and it's a political statement about where

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we stand because this is taxpayer money and they want

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to know hey.

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If we are giving the money through this entity,

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we support what they are doing.

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So that's the statement.

329
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>> Supervisor Haschak, who is wanting to know?

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You just said that they are wanting to know so

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who asked the question?

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>> Certainly people are talking to me about it. .

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>> Do you mind sharing any more information?

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>> It is not really relevant to the discussion we are having

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but -- >> It was relevant enough to bring up for an appropriation

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following a policy that the board has already approved.

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>> Well, I don't think it is I need to tell you who I'm talking

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to.

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>> Interesting.

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>> Well.

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Can you tell us who you're talking to?

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>> Thank you.

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We are going to move on.

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We've got a first and a second.

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A first by Supervisor Haschak, second by Supervisor Williams.

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We will vote by the button.

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>> The motion carries unanimously.

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>> Thank you.

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All right.

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Moving on to regular agenda item R1 discussion

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and possible action including acceptance

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of informational reports from the assessor registrar of voters

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auditor controller district attorney Sheriff treasurer tax

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collector and various department heads or >> Good morning, board.

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I just wanted to give you some additional information.

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You do have the information that we reported to the state

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for the June 18th report that I am anticipating that we are

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moving the auction up till spring.

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Hopefully sometime between January and March.

360
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We do have several factors that impact that, many of which

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I can't get into.

362
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They are personal related but they are not

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performance related.

364
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I wanted to give you some additional information.

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I did meet last week with one of the vendors that

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provides the collection services for the TOT and bid.

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I've asked them to go back and give me some information.

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The fee schedule doesn't quite work for what

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we have in Mendocino County.

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They would consider the campgrounds

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a hotel which pushes them into a much higher fee category

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and I know because the board does dedicate the TOT

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camp to fire we would like to minimize the cost

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impacts with that.

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I did just inform Scott from the Tourism Commission or sorry,

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Tourism Alliance outside that the initial response if we were

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to go bid only would be considerably more money

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than they are paying right now so I'm trying to work

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through some of these details.

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It really would require the county

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to be willing to move the full TOT collection also to them

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which I'm not opposed to but I would

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like to work out the real cost and benefit of doing that.

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One other area I would seriously like to consider

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is moving the business license renewal and collection

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piece to them as well if we go with that particular vendor.

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That may indicate a need for an increase in our business license

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fee but our business license fee is really very low,

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because it is just an annual renewal of $40 per month

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it does not include any type of gross revenue percentage

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or anything like that so I do hope that if we see that

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as a good move that the board will support

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a potential increase to that fee.

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That would definitely allow staff

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to focus on collecting secured and unsecured taxes rather

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than business license which frankly is not

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a very good revenue source for the county at the moment the way

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it is structured.

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I just wanted to give you those brief updates.

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I'm not sure if you have any questions for me.

401
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>> Supervisor Mulheren.

402
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>> Thank you for the advanced receiving the letter.

403
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I'm a little bit caught off by the business letter.

404
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Are we bringing back a complete restructure or just

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an increase in the fee?

406
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>> The business license renewal at $40 is not very effective

407
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to the county in general but it does require a significant

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portion of one of our staff people to actually send

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the notices out and do the collections for that every year

410
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and so frankly it's a service that particular vendor provides

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throughout the state and is very efficient in terms of kind

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of coordinating adding new business licenses and collecting

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that.

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The overall implementation and fee structure

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if we ask them to do more services

416
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is better overall than if we just ask them to do one piece.

417
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So if we just ask them to do the bid collection

418
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that is actually quite a bit of money just for the bid piece.

419
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If we roll that into the TOT and bid

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there's another good savings to that

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but if we give them another function like business license

422
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it continues to spread some of those other fees

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to actually make the whole contract more favorable to all

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those different pieces.

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>> Okay.

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And so again, thank you for the letter

427
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that you sent out to the state so

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that we had a little bit of time to think about it.

429
00:29:07,756 --> 00:29:12,480
I think the outstanding property tax is obviously

430
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a concern to the county to bring those funds in but it also

431
00:29:15,746 --> 00:29:19,556
is really a concern to our constituents.

432
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Some of them feel like there is an unknown out there

433
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whether or not they will be receiving this bill so I just

434
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wanted to make sure that you have everything

435
00:29:26,632 --> 00:29:28,528
that you need from the board.

436
00:29:28,528 --> 00:29:33,880
Is there anything that we can do to help this

437
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happen a little bit sooner?

438
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Basically like how can we help you?

439
00:29:40,856 --> 00:29:41,504
>> I'm sorry.

440
00:29:41,504 --> 00:29:43,586
Are you referring to the auction piece?

441
00:29:43,586 --> 00:29:47,860
Everybody has received a bill for the auction piece?

442
00:29:47,860 --> 00:29:47,586
Right?

443
00:29:47,586 --> 00:29:50,429
Those are defaulted properties so there is not

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an additional bill going to the constituent.

445
00:29:52,766 --> 00:29:57,259
They have not paid the bill but the confusion

446
00:29:57,259 --> 00:30:01,228
that I think a lot of taxpayers have is this $30 million

447
00:30:01,228 --> 00:30:03,953
that was referred to by the state is not $30 million

448
00:30:03,953 --> 00:30:06,376
that is going to go to the county general fund.

449
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It is not.

450
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It is money that is for the teeter plan

451
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and so if the teeter plan recovers all of that revenue

452
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and also all of the interest and penalties through auction

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or payment, there is potentially money

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that may be transferred to the general fund

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if we are above the threshold required for the tax loss

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reserve fund.

457
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But that is not $30 million.

458
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It might be a couple million dollars

459
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but it is not $30 million so I just

460
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want to be clear that when we talk about That $30 million, is

461
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it is not revenue to the general fund.

462
00:30:45,946 --> 00:30:46,446
>> Right.

463
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What I wanted to talk about is that everybody included

464
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in that should have received a bill so there should not

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be any surprise bills moving forward.

466
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That is a concern to people and they are not

467
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expecting to have a large property tax bill.

468
00:30:58,836 --> 00:30:59,336
>> Yes.

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I would not even be able to quantify

470
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that if they had not been given a bill so if they are

471
00:31:03,706 --> 00:31:06,572
on the default list they've been given a bill in the system

472
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they've also been given a notice of delinquency permit

473
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that happens every year.

474
00:31:12,376 --> 00:31:15,976
The delinquency publication happens every year.

475
00:31:16,255 --> 00:31:18,255
>> Thank you.

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Supervisor Haschak.

477
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>> With the business license fee have you looked at jurisdictions

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in other counties and what they are doing for their licensing

479
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fees?

480
00:31:31,976 --> 00:31:35,466
>> I'm not sure exactly what the question entails.

481
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Whether you are just talking about collecting?

482
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,632
It is not my office's role to really determine

483
00:31:40,632 --> 00:31:43,735
if you want to change the entire fee structure of the business

484
00:31:43,735 --> 00:31:46,525
license because that is a significant impact

485
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to the business community.

486
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,755
I do know there is some contention obviously

487
00:31:53,755 --> 00:31:56,636
that certain actions taken to expand territories

488
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may impact the business license because the business

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00:31:59,192 --> 00:32:02,640
license in some jurisdictions is based on gross receipts

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or revenues and so that significantly changes

491
00:32:05,296 --> 00:32:07,536
the business license cost.

492
00:32:07,536 --> 00:32:10,496
Presently Mendocino County you are not

493
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basing your business license fee on receipts or anything else.

494
00:32:13,266 --> 00:32:15,896
Everybody pays the same amount whether they make a lot of money

495
00:32:15,896 --> 00:32:18,269
or whether they make no money.

496
00:32:18,269 --> 00:32:21,749
I'm not researching that in terms of that may be something

497
00:32:21,749 --> 00:32:23,776
you want to direct other staff to explore.

498
00:32:23,776 --> 00:32:26,869
Certainly that is something somebody else would do

499
00:32:26,869 --> 00:32:29,392
but my office just collects the fee

500
00:32:29,392 --> 00:32:32,712
that has been determined by the board that is due for business

501
00:32:32,712 --> 00:32:34,376
license renewal.

502
00:32:34,376 --> 00:32:35,131
>> Okay.

503
00:32:35,131 --> 00:32:38,949
So it would be on us to provide some direction.

504
00:32:38,949 --> 00:32:40,896
Thank you.

505
00:32:40,896 --> 00:32:42,896
>> Thank you.

506
00:32:55,585 --> 00:32:56,252
>> Good morning.

507
00:32:56,252 --> 00:32:59,396
Katrina Bartlam assessor county clerk recorder registrar

508
00:32:59,396 --> 00:33:01,960
of voters.

509
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,432
I do not have my state audit report done yet.

510
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I'm working on it and have been working on it

511
00:33:07,761 --> 00:33:12,223
but it is not ready to send yet so I wanted to let you know.

512
00:33:12,223 --> 00:33:16,423
Since the election, we've had some problems

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00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:20,296
in our office related to personnel.

514
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Our key personnel, our Registrar of Voters is out on a medical

515
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and she will be out for another couple of weeks

516
00:33:30,179 --> 00:33:32,607
so we have had to limp along.

517
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It is a tough job for both of us to do and for just one of us,

518
00:33:38,321 --> 00:33:40,840
it has put us double Dutch we were able to certify

519
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,560
and everything on time but it has put us behind.

520
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,596
Also right after the election after we certified,

521
00:33:46,596 --> 00:33:52,800
we got a call from the Secretary of State's office

522
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,116
that there was a potential recount for the governor's race.

523
00:33:57,116 --> 00:34:00,664
61 candidates and that would be a manual recount.

524
00:34:00,664 --> 00:34:04,864
They have seven days to respond --

525
00:34:05,290 --> 00:34:10,619
we had seven days to respond to the person who asked

526
00:34:10,619 --> 00:34:15,949
for the recount, which all 58 counties did with an estimate

527
00:34:15,949 --> 00:34:19,216
on how much this would cost a day.

528
00:34:19,216 --> 00:34:24,420
In Mendocino County it would cost about $3,250 a day and we

529
00:34:24,420 --> 00:34:28,792
estimated it would take us about 27 days minimum to complete

530
00:34:28,792 --> 00:34:29,544
this.

531
00:34:29,544 --> 00:34:33,536
When you have a recount, part of it

532
00:34:33,536 --> 00:34:36,248
is the person who asks for it has to pay for it

533
00:34:36,248 --> 00:34:38,576
and that is all within the election law.

534
00:34:38,576 --> 00:34:44,252
And so he of course wanted it to be free, no charge.

535
00:34:44,252 --> 00:34:47,553
The Secretary of State's office set him clear on that

536
00:34:47,553 --> 00:34:49,376
and we all did that.

537
00:34:49,376 --> 00:34:54,176
So he finally responded to me on Monday,

538
00:34:56,896 --> 00:34:58,856
last Monday when we would have had to start

539
00:34:58,856 --> 00:34:59,856
the recount by Thursday.

540
00:34:59,856 --> 00:35:04,680
We would have had to send out an email to every candidate telling

541
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,792
them that we were going to start this on Thursday

542
00:35:08,792 --> 00:35:13,832
and how long we thought it would take and everything else.

543
00:35:13,832 --> 00:35:19,232
So the person who asked for it never --

544
00:35:20,413 --> 00:35:22,584
he never sent any money.

545
00:35:22,584 --> 00:35:26,960
He was going to start it in Shasta County

546
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,152
if he had deposited the money and that didn't

547
00:35:31,152 --> 00:35:34,100
happen so the recount is off.

548
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:38,661
But it took me several days to prepare for that.

549
00:35:38,661 --> 00:35:43,608
I had to get employees ready to come in on a day's notice.

550
00:35:43,608 --> 00:35:46,176
Extra help employees who helped with the election

551
00:35:46,176 --> 00:35:50,709
to start with and so it was quite an endeavor

552
00:35:50,709 --> 00:35:52,773
to find out that we didn't have to

553
00:35:52,773 --> 00:35:56,848
but I was worried that if I didn't prepare for it,

554
00:35:56,848 --> 00:36:00,332
it would have gone forward and we would have been behind.

555
00:36:00,332 --> 00:36:01,922
So we've been a little busy.

556
00:36:01,922 --> 00:36:03,376
We certified the election.

557
00:36:03,376 --> 00:36:06,836
We closed the roll and I promised

558
00:36:06,836 --> 00:36:10,482
to get my report to the state and I've reached out

559
00:36:10,482 --> 00:36:13,802
to the head auditor that came to the county,

560
00:36:13,802 --> 00:36:20,402
but I'll have it done within the next couple of weeks.

561
00:36:20,556 --> 00:36:21,560
>> Great.

562
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,560
Thank you very >> You're welcome.

563
00:36:24,106 --> 00:36:24,606
Thank you.

564
00:36:24,606 --> 00:36:27,600
Have a good day.

565
00:36:30,563 --> 00:36:32,896
>> I just wanted to thank Miss Bartlemy for all the work

566
00:36:32,896 --> 00:36:34,956
in your office for the election.

567
00:36:34,956 --> 00:36:40,956
It seemed like things went really well so thank you.

568
00:36:42,545 --> 00:36:47,945
>> Good morning chair Norvell members of the board County

569
00:36:48,850 --> 00:36:51,512
council clerk of the board and members of the public.

570
00:36:51,512 --> 00:36:53,746
My name is Megan Hunter auditor controller

571
00:36:53,746 --> 00:36:58,276
and I'm here today to provide a brief update on the state audit

572
00:36:58,276 --> 00:37:00,928
responses that were provided in June.

573
00:37:00,928 --> 00:37:04,560
The status of our annual financial audit

574
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,568
and some staffing updates within our office.

575
00:37:07,568 --> 00:37:11,626
We did submit our responses to the state recommendations

576
00:37:11,626 --> 00:37:14,962
on time and some of those recommendations

577
00:37:14,962 --> 00:37:17,151
included our policies and procedures

578
00:37:17,151 --> 00:37:20,116
which we are working on a full office manual

579
00:37:20,116 --> 00:37:24,696
that we anticipate having completed in June of 2027.

580
00:37:24,696 --> 00:37:28,682
It will cover basically all of our financial procedures.

581
00:37:28,682 --> 00:37:31,682
We have implemented operational improvements

582
00:37:32,342 --> 00:37:37,742
while continuing to work on our comprehensive procedures manual.

583
00:37:42,496 --> 00:37:47,448
There are several items that we continue to work on.

584
00:37:47,448 --> 00:37:49,656
We are in the process of implementing

585
00:37:49,656 --> 00:37:52,248
an electronic journal entry workflow which

586
00:37:52,248 --> 00:37:57,396
will reduce a lot of the time and backlog of our journal

587
00:37:57,396 --> 00:37:57,986
entries.

588
00:37:57,986 --> 00:38:01,216
We've established journal entry deadlines and county

589
00:38:01,216 --> 00:38:03,256
trainings have been completed.

590
00:38:03,256 --> 00:38:05,956
The departments are showing increased compliance

591
00:38:05,956 --> 00:38:09,400
and are working really closely with our office

592
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,952
to ensure that issues are tackled ahead of time instead

593
00:38:12,952 --> 00:38:15,352
of after the fact.

594
00:38:16,696 --> 00:38:19,820
We've also continued our partnership

595
00:38:19,820 --> 00:38:20,786
with regional Government services who

596
00:38:20,786 --> 00:38:23,609
will be helping in this upcoming audit

597
00:38:23,609 --> 00:38:29,420
as well as ensuring that some of the Gasb standards

598
00:38:29,420 --> 00:38:31,112
are implemented and we will continue

599
00:38:31,112 --> 00:38:34,746
to educate staff on this new standards as they are released.

600
00:38:34,746 --> 00:38:38,946
We've also started working on the reimplementation

601
00:38:40,256 --> 00:38:42,656
of our finance system.

602
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:46,260
There has been a steering committee established.

603
00:38:46,260 --> 00:38:49,480
We are working very closely with Information Services

604
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,336
and the CEO's office.

605
00:38:51,336 --> 00:38:53,640
We do plan on meeting with a couple

606
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:59,400
other sites in August who are currently utilizing Eunice

607
00:38:59,224 --> 00:39:01,780
to determine their best practices

608
00:39:01,780 --> 00:39:05,456
and kind of set up a roadmap for our reimplementation.

609
00:39:05,456 --> 00:39:09,736
We have also evaluated a lot of the functionalities

610
00:39:09,736 --> 00:39:14,904
so we can potentially implement those in the process

611
00:39:14,904 --> 00:39:17,936
since this is going to be such a long reimplementation.

612
00:39:17,936 --> 00:39:21,870
It takes probably 3 or 4 years before we will

613
00:39:21,870 --> 00:39:23,120
be completed with the project.

614
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,226
We continue to meet monthly with the executive office

615
00:39:27,226 --> 00:39:31,356
and our communication has really improved vastly

616
00:39:31,356 --> 00:39:34,482
with all of the departments and we will continue

617
00:39:34,482 --> 00:39:36,882
to bridge those relationships.

618
00:39:37,282 --> 00:39:40,282
We've established regular fiscal deadlines.

619
00:39:41,276 --> 00:39:45,476
We have conducted countywide year end trainings

620
00:39:45,696 --> 00:39:49,896
and we've also conducted journal entry trainings.

621
00:39:53,536 --> 00:40:00,736
For our audit, we are on schedule to publish the act --

622
00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:09,790
acfr December 31st.

623
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:14,176
We've already begun preparing for the audit providing

624
00:40:14,176 --> 00:40:15,882
documentation as well ahead of time

625
00:40:15,882 --> 00:40:18,736
so we ensure that the field work will continue smoothly

626
00:40:18,736 --> 00:40:23,801
and we are hoping to reduce delays and improve efficiencies

627
00:40:23,801 --> 00:40:26,720
in this upcoming audit.

628
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:29,880
And then lastly I have some staffing updates.

629
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,362
We hired an account specialist supervisor

630
00:40:32,362 --> 00:40:34,996
which was filled at the end of June

631
00:40:34,996 --> 00:40:38,616
and she is kind of getting her bearings and settling in well.

632
00:40:38,616 --> 00:40:42,816
We have a new accountant auditor two who joined the office today

633
00:40:42,816 --> 00:40:46,661
and the recruitment is still ongoing for the Assistant

634
00:40:46,661 --> 00:40:48,800
auditor controller position but we

635
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,149
do have a candidate that we are vetting at this time.

636
00:40:51,149 --> 00:40:55,360
So if you have any questions for me I'd be happy to answer.

637
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,132
>> Thank you much supervisor Williams.

638
00:40:57,132 --> 00:40:58,882
>> Thank you for the thorough presentation

639
00:40:58,882 --> 00:41:01,882
and the collaboration with departments.

640
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,496
>> Can I just ask one clarifying?

641
00:41:04,496 --> 00:41:07,290
I think you said August is the fieldwork.

642
00:41:07,290 --> 00:41:09,290
Is it October?

643
00:41:09,149 --> 00:41:10,120
>> Oh sorry.

644
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,920
It is October.

645
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:12,340
I put down August.

646
00:41:12,340 --> 00:41:16,376
I was thinking the other thing so thank you.

647
00:41:16,376 --> 00:41:19,416
Which is the normal schedule time.

648
00:41:19,416 --> 00:41:23,716
Generally it's a little bit later in the month of October

649
00:41:23,716 --> 00:41:25,816
but we are hoping to get everything ready for them

650
00:41:25,816 --> 00:41:27,389
before they arrive at.

651
00:41:27,389 --> 00:41:29,389
>> Thank you.

652
00:41:29,405 --> 00:41:31,309
Supervisor Mulheren.

653
00:41:31,309 --> 00:41:32,400
>> Thank you.

654
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,916
I just wanted to thank you for the update

655
00:41:33,916 --> 00:41:35,513
and for being here and the same thing.

656
00:41:35,513 --> 00:41:38,160
Let us know if there is anything we

657
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,482
can help keeping in mind the work you guys are trying

658
00:41:41,482 --> 00:41:42,709
to do over there.

659
00:41:42,709 --> 00:41:43,326
Thank you.

660
00:41:43,326 --> 00:41:45,690
I appreciate that.

661
00:41:45,690 --> 00:41:47,469
>> Thank you very much.

662
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,987
Madam clerk seeing none other in the room

663
00:41:50,987 --> 00:41:52,896
do we have any staff online?

664
00:41:52,896 --> 00:41:57,960
>> We do have one staff online. (Indistinct)

665
00:41:59,484 --> 00:42:00,151
>> Good morning.

666
00:42:00,151 --> 00:42:01,782
Melissa Hanham County library director.

667
00:42:01,782 --> 00:42:08,216
I wanted to let you know that we are having a library

668
00:42:08,216 --> 00:42:10,744
software upgrade so limited services are

669
00:42:10,744 --> 00:42:13,768
going to be available during the system migration.

670
00:42:13,768 --> 00:42:19,168
We are entering an exciting new phase of modernization

671
00:42:19,402 --> 00:42:22,296
this summer with the integration of a new integrated

672
00:42:22,296 --> 00:42:24,456
modern library system Polaris.

673
00:42:24,456 --> 00:42:26,360
The upgraded system will be shared

674
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,960
through our regional consortium of libraries

675
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,576
helping to streamline operations and improve

676
00:42:33,576 --> 00:42:34,936
services for patrons.

677
00:42:34,936 --> 00:42:38,256
As part of this upgrade, the library

678
00:42:38,256 --> 00:42:41,336
will launch a new online catalog and mobile app.

679
00:42:41,336 --> 00:42:45,743
These tools will make it easier to discover new titles,

680
00:42:45,743 --> 00:42:48,109
browse audiobook and DVD collections

681
00:42:48,109 --> 00:42:50,616
and explore reading through a Staff Picks feature.

682
00:42:50,616 --> 00:42:54,368
Another feature called rollup will allow patrons to view all

683
00:42:54,368 --> 00:42:58,960
available formats of a title including print books,

684
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,176
audiobooks and e-books in a single search result.

685
00:43:01,176 --> 00:43:05,560
To complete the transition the library will migrate data from

686
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,881
the current system to Polaris from July 27th through August

687
00:43:09,881 --> 00:43:11,449
4th.

688
00:43:11,449 --> 00:43:13,116
During this period some library services

689
00:43:13,116 --> 00:43:15,516
will be temporarily unavailable.

690
00:43:15,796 --> 00:43:20,960
During the migration patrons must bring their library card

691
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:21,632
to check out materials.

692
00:43:21,632 --> 00:43:23,536
The online catalog will be unavailable.

693
00:43:23,536 --> 00:43:28,360
We will not be able to issue new library cards.

694
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,824
Materials cannot be checked in.

695
00:43:30,824 --> 00:43:33,320
Renewals will not be available.

696
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,520
Fines and fees cannot be paid and new holds cannot be placed

697
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,736
so to minimize any inconvenience during the period of June 29th

698
00:43:41,736 --> 00:43:48,607
through July 26th, all due dates have been extended to six weeks.

699
00:43:48,607 --> 00:43:51,144
Patrons are welcome to keep their checked out materials

700
00:43:51,144 --> 00:43:54,888
until the new system is fully operational.

701
00:43:54,888 --> 00:43:58,446
The last day to place holds was July 12th.

702
00:43:58,446 --> 00:44:03,872
All services are expected to return to normal on August 5th

703
00:44:03,872 --> 00:44:07,912
when Polaris, the new online catalog in the mobile app will

704
00:44:07,912 --> 00:44:09,912
officially go live.

705
00:44:15,626 --> 00:44:17,376
>> I'm not seeing any questions thank you.

706
00:44:17,376 --> 00:44:19,376
>> Thank you.

707
00:44:23,756 --> 00:44:26,322
>> Seeing no further Department heads online.

708
00:44:26,322 --> 00:44:29,296
>> We will open the podium to public comment on item number

709
00:44:29,296 --> 00:44:30,312
one.

710
00:44:30,312 --> 00:44:32,312
Madam clerk.

711
00:44:32,344 --> 00:44:34,344
Any online?

712
00:44:35,296 --> 00:44:37,560
>> Seeing none online.

713
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,560
>> Okay.

714
00:44:39,736 --> 00:44:42,736
Discussion or motion for acceptance

715
00:44:42,882 --> 00:44:45,282
of the informational reports?

716
00:44:45,362 --> 00:44:47,362
>> Move approval.

717
00:44:51,818 --> 00:44:56,618
>> First by Supervisor Cline, second by Supervisor Haschak.

718
00:44:59,454 --> 00:45:01,269
We'll vote by the button.

719
00:45:01,269 --> 00:45:03,616
>> The motion carries unanimously.

720
00:45:03,616 --> 00:45:04,276
>> Thank you.

721
00:45:04,276 --> 00:45:06,336
Item R two possible action including

722
00:45:06,336 --> 00:45:10,560
acceptance of presentation of the 2025 Leadership Academy

723
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,560
graduates.

724
00:45:12,536 --> 00:45:13,406
>> Good morning.

725
00:45:13,406 --> 00:45:16,112
Sherry Johnson human resource Director and I do

726
00:45:16,112 --> 00:45:18,632
believe Mandy will be in soon to share.

727
00:45:18,632 --> 00:45:22,636
It's my pleasure to recognize the 2025 graduates

728
00:45:22,636 --> 00:45:24,380
of our Leadership Academy.

729
00:45:24,380 --> 00:45:28,936
Our 2025 Academy consisted of nine courses offered twice

730
00:45:28,936 --> 00:45:31,456
annually and totals nearly 30 hours of interaction.

731
00:45:31,456 --> 00:45:35,856
Its purpose is to ensure unified effectiveness in our leadership

732
00:45:35,856 --> 00:45:38,896
and equip each leader with a common foundation of leadership

733
00:45:38,896 --> 00:45:42,216
skills and values allowing us to move forward together.

734
00:45:42,216 --> 00:45:45,816
Course topics include high performance organization,

735
00:45:48,310 --> 00:45:51,310
personality styles and emotional intelligence,

736
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,160
leading with effective communication building trust

737
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,160
and teams performance management, policies

738
00:45:58,682 --> 00:46:02,882
and procedures, facility skills and change management.

739
00:46:04,488 --> 00:46:08,560
I would like to congratulate the following graduates

740
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,656
of the Leadership Academy under management.

741
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,856
Rose Britton Jessica Byers Heather Correll Rose Juanita

742
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,656
Dryland Katie Ford John Gall Melissa

743
00:46:21,672 --> 00:46:25,872
Hannah Travis Kilmer Angela Lewis Sarah McBurney

744
00:46:27,356 --> 00:46:29,356
Kathy white.

745
00:46:30,656 --> 00:46:35,456
Supervisors Ryan Cameron Kayla Carlson Nicole French Christina

746
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:42,749
Griffith George Aubry Hannah Lee Ulysse Lopez Antonio Renteria

747
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,876
Ryan rose Amanda stoner Megan Zaid Mary Logan.

748
00:46:51,896 --> 00:46:54,896
And the emerging leaders graduates.

749
00:46:55,416 --> 00:47:00,816
Lori Brown James Canfield Amber Garces Christy Garde Katherine

750
00:47:03,326 --> 00:47:08,126
Miller Tamara Sams Ana Sanchez and Amanda Tyrrell.

751
00:47:09,226 --> 00:47:11,918
Thank you all for participating.

752
00:47:11,918 --> 00:47:14,592
Your dedication to learning and commitment

753
00:47:14,592 --> 00:47:18,162
to leadership, professional growth and excellence

754
00:47:18,162 --> 00:47:20,356
strengthens our organization and community.

755
00:47:20,356 --> 00:47:22,756
I would also like to thank Katie Ford and Lori

756
00:47:22,756 --> 00:47:26,160
Brown for their lead in the Leadership Academy and all

757
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,616
the HR team for assisting with these courses.

758
00:47:30,616 --> 00:47:35,416
The 2026 Academy courses will be starting August 6th.

759
00:47:36,130 --> 00:47:37,346
>> I'm not seeing any questions.

760
00:47:37,346 --> 00:47:40,136
Thank you for bringing this forward.

761
00:47:40,136 --> 00:47:42,136
>> Thank you.

762
00:47:42,376 --> 00:47:45,376
>> Any public comment on R2?

763
00:47:50,216 --> 00:47:51,976
>> Seeing none online.

764
00:47:51,976 --> 00:47:54,936
>> Back to the board for acceptance of the presentation.

765
00:47:54,936 --> 00:47:56,936
>> Move acceptance.

766
00:48:01,179 --> 00:48:03,179
>> I'll second.

767
00:48:04,725 --> 00:48:08,925
>> First by Supervisor Haschak, seconded by myself.

768
00:48:14,122 --> 00:48:16,456
>> The motion carries unanimously.

769
00:48:16,456 --> 00:48:19,576
>> Item R3 discussion and possible action including

770
00:48:19,576 --> 00:48:22,216
acceptance of presentation regarding rural county

771
00:48:22,216 --> 00:48:25,216
Representatives of California Strategic plan.

772
00:48:26,896 --> 00:48:28,568
>> Thank you for having me here today.

773
00:48:28,568 --> 00:48:31,960
I appreciate the opportunity to provide you

774
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,186
an update on some of our priorities and activities.

775
00:48:34,186 --> 00:48:36,556
One of the things I wanted to say at the start

776
00:48:36,556 --> 00:48:39,660
is please don't hesitate to stop me along the way

777
00:48:39,660 --> 00:48:41,399
where you've got a question or want to provide feedback.

778
00:48:41,399 --> 00:48:44,176
I recognize you've got a pretty full agenda today

779
00:48:44,176 --> 00:48:46,360
so I want to move pretty quickly through it

780
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,656
but do stop me anywhere you have a question.

781
00:48:50,656 --> 00:48:53,656
I don't know if you are able to pull the slides up or not

782
00:48:53,656 --> 00:48:55,946
but I will continue on while that is underway.

783
00:48:55,946 --> 00:49:02,160
Today I want to cover not only RCRC but some of our affiliate

784
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:02,552
entities.

785
00:49:02,552 --> 00:49:05,692
Over the years we've started a couple

786
00:49:05,692 --> 00:49:07,604
of private and public entities.

787
00:49:07,604 --> 00:49:10,584
I wanted to note at the start that our board adopts

788
00:49:10,584 --> 00:49:12,958
a three year strategic plan and within that plan

789
00:49:12,958 --> 00:49:14,976
I think you would find a number of topics

790
00:49:14,976 --> 00:49:17,696
that are ones you are very familiar with from broadband

791
00:49:17,696 --> 00:49:20,376
to rural health access to economic development

792
00:49:20,376 --> 00:49:20,966
opportunities.

793
00:49:20,966 --> 00:49:24,576
One of the things that is unique about our strategic plan

794
00:49:24,576 --> 00:49:27,353
is that our board has set a dual vision for us.

795
00:49:27,353 --> 00:49:30,846
One is to be the premier advocate in both Sacramento

796
00:49:30,846 --> 00:49:33,256
and Washington D.C. On behalf of rural counties

797
00:49:33,256 --> 00:49:36,516
but secondly is to be their innovative service provider

798
00:49:36,516 --> 00:49:38,536
and so think of us as the entrepreneurial arm

799
00:49:38,536 --> 00:49:39,632
of rural counties.

800
00:49:39,632 --> 00:49:42,730
When there is a challenge too big for a small county they will

801
00:49:42,730 --> 00:49:45,850
come to us to see if we can get economies of scale through

802
00:49:45,850 --> 00:49:47,976
our 40 members and over the years that has led

803
00:49:47,976 --> 00:49:51,360
to the creation of some of those affiliate entities I will talk

804
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,936
about in a little bit as well so that gives you some sense of why

805
00:49:53,936 --> 00:49:56,424
we have those entities but I wanted to start with

806
00:49:56,424 --> 00:50:00,376
our advocacy work and our policy emphasis areas and if you want

807
00:50:00,376 --> 00:50:06,960
to move on to a couple of slides to the next one -- perfect.

808
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:07,816
Thank you.

809
00:50:07,816 --> 00:50:13,152
Advocacy has long been the cornerstone of RCRC and the work

810
00:50:13,152 --> 00:50:15,224
that we do on behalf of rural counties.

811
00:50:15,224 --> 00:50:17,439
Again I think the topics you would see

812
00:50:17,439 --> 00:50:19,490
are ones you are very familiar with.

813
00:50:19,490 --> 00:50:20,896
What I wanted to draw your attention to

814
00:50:20,896 --> 00:50:23,880
is the one labeled Key topics.

815
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,536
Our board forms ad hoc committees

816
00:50:26,536 --> 00:50:28,602
to address high priority issues.

817
00:50:28,602 --> 00:50:31,889
I want to thank Supervisor Cline.

818
00:50:31,889 --> 00:50:35,856
I think you are on all three of our ad hoc committees this year.

819
00:50:35,856 --> 00:50:39,136
One is recruitment and retention of public employees.

820
00:50:39,136 --> 00:50:41,996
Unusually high vacancy rates have persisted

821
00:50:41,996 --> 00:50:43,446
for a number of years.

822
00:50:43,446 --> 00:50:46,981
One county had a 100% vacancy rate of behavioral health

823
00:50:46,981 --> 00:50:49,376
therapist as an example so are there

824
00:50:49,376 --> 00:50:51,944
ways from a policy perspective we can assist

825
00:50:51,944 --> 00:50:53,672
with recruitment and retention.

826
00:50:53,672 --> 00:50:57,416
The second is predator management ad hoc.

827
00:50:57,416 --> 00:50:59,160
This was really born out of impacts

828
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,165
the wolf population as having but it also

829
00:51:02,165 --> 00:51:03,540
includes mountain lions and bears

830
00:51:03,540 --> 00:51:05,676
and so we've got membership throughout the state

831
00:51:05,676 --> 00:51:08,436
looking at basically our policy around those areas

832
00:51:08,436 --> 00:51:11,196
and interacting with the Department of Fish and Wildlife.

833
00:51:11,196 --> 00:51:13,641
They've had speakers come in and talk to them.

834
00:51:13,641 --> 00:51:16,456
The goal of the ad hoc is to develop updated policy

835
00:51:16,456 --> 00:51:19,336
for consideration by our full board.

836
00:51:19,336 --> 00:51:23,869
The last one is a sustainable Groundwater Management

837
00:51:23,869 --> 00:51:26,936
Act permit this came to life out of recognition

838
00:51:26,936 --> 00:51:29,768
that the legislation has been in place several years

839
00:51:29,768 --> 00:51:33,160
now merging some of the mandatory reporting

840
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,216
thresholds (Indistinct) the legislation did not contemplate

841
00:51:37,706 --> 00:51:39,864
some of the changes that would be needed now

842
00:51:39,864 --> 00:51:43,466
that we have better data whether it is boundaries or off ramps.

843
00:51:43,466 --> 00:51:45,220
Potentially looking at how you fund

844
00:51:45,220 --> 00:51:46,536
those reporting requirements.

845
00:51:46,536 --> 00:51:48,799
The committee is evaluating all of that

846
00:51:48,799 --> 00:51:50,216
and we will look at updated policy

847
00:51:50,216 --> 00:51:52,776
again to bring back to our board on those fronts

848
00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:56,564
from a couple of other areas I wanted to mention.

849
00:51:56,564 --> 00:51:57,407
One is mandates.

850
00:51:57,407 --> 00:51:59,376
We are all familiar with the challenge

851
00:51:59,376 --> 00:52:01,126
the state imposes upon us with mandates

852
00:52:01,126 --> 00:52:03,449
and if you look back in time counties had

853
00:52:03,449 --> 00:52:06,490
a regular process for filing test claims

854
00:52:06,490 --> 00:52:07,549
before the state Mandates Commission

855
00:52:07,549 --> 00:52:11,711
and when legislation becomes law it has the potential to it

856
00:52:11,711 --> 00:52:13,936
is either a new requirement upon counties

857
00:52:13,936 --> 00:52:16,192
or adds a service level upon counties

858
00:52:16,192 --> 00:52:19,256
in order for counties to get reimbursement under the mandates

859
00:52:19,256 --> 00:52:19,756
clause.

860
00:52:19,756 --> 00:52:23,360
They must submit a test claim to the state Mandates Commission

861
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,209
and if one county submits that claim and is approved then

862
00:52:26,209 --> 00:52:28,496
all 58 can take advantage of it.

863
00:52:28,496 --> 00:52:29,976
That test claim must be submitted

864
00:52:29,976 --> 00:52:32,856
within one year of a county triggering that cost

865
00:52:32,856 --> 00:52:35,296
and it was indicated there was a regular cadence of this

866
00:52:35,296 --> 00:52:38,976
historically but then it dropped off over the last 15 years.

867
00:52:38,976 --> 00:52:41,896
We've been working to basically pick up that ball

868
00:52:41,896 --> 00:52:47,389
and run with it so RCRC has two entities under contract to file

869
00:52:47,389 --> 00:52:51,589
test claims on behalf of member counties.

870
00:52:51,876 --> 00:52:54,520
We are working with Sutter County.

871
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,466
We are working with Butte County on a claim.

872
00:52:56,466 --> 00:52:57,841
We are working with Sutter County

873
00:52:57,841 --> 00:53:00,736
and then we also found an arcane provision of the law

874
00:53:00,736 --> 00:53:03,696
called Legislatively Determined Mandates for when a bill is

875
00:53:03,696 --> 00:53:05,418
tagged as a potential mandate we can

876
00:53:05,418 --> 00:53:10,216
file a claim with the Department of Finance or Ldm.

877
00:53:10,216 --> 00:53:12,216
The legislator said this is a mandate.

878
00:53:12,216 --> 00:53:15,939
We can preempt the mandate Commission test claim process

879
00:53:15,939 --> 00:53:17,522
by agreeing on what the mandate should

880
00:53:17,522 --> 00:53:20,600
be so we are doing that for everyone that comes out now.

881
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,264
The Department of Finance has not been thrilled with that

882
00:53:23,264 --> 00:53:25,528
and has kicked them back to say you need to go through the test

883
00:53:25,528 --> 00:53:27,486
claim process but we've accomplished two things

884
00:53:27,486 --> 00:53:30,508
in doing that for my one is it tolls the statute of limitations

885
00:53:30,508 --> 00:53:33,408
so when we file those legislative determined mandates

886
00:53:33,408 --> 00:53:36,152
until such time as the Department of Finance response

887
00:53:36,152 --> 00:53:38,589
we've extended out the statute of limitations

888
00:53:38,589 --> 00:53:40,336
to file a test claim.

889
00:53:40,336 --> 00:53:43,540
Second it puts the Department of Finance and the legislature

890
00:53:43,540 --> 00:53:45,293
I noticed that no longer are we going

891
00:53:45,293 --> 00:53:47,688
to let these mandates slip by without filing test claims

892
00:53:47,688 --> 00:53:49,984
and so for each one that the legislature passes

893
00:53:49,984 --> 00:53:52,496
there is an almost immediate response now

894
00:53:52,496 --> 00:53:54,476
of sending those through legislatively

895
00:53:54,476 --> 00:53:55,416
determined mandates.

896
00:53:55,416 --> 00:53:58,296
Step one of our mandate process is helping

897
00:53:58,296 --> 00:54:00,416
counties file more test claims.

898
00:54:00,416 --> 00:54:05,548
Step two is discovering that not all of the counties

899
00:54:05,548 --> 00:54:07,900
are getting all of the reimbursements

900
00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:08,193
they are eligible for.

901
00:54:08,193 --> 00:54:10,336
We have 5 or 6 counties that did not

902
00:54:10,336 --> 00:54:11,836
get any mandate reimbursement.

903
00:54:11,836 --> 00:54:14,136
We have another nine that are well

904
00:54:14,136 --> 00:54:16,648
below the statewide average for reimbursement.

905
00:54:16,648 --> 00:54:19,376
We put out a test for proposals basically

906
00:54:19,376 --> 00:54:21,836
that all those involved in the mandate reimbursement world

907
00:54:21,836 --> 00:54:24,262
to say give us your best ideas on how

908
00:54:24,262 --> 00:54:27,353
you can help our small counties increase their mandate

909
00:54:27,353 --> 00:54:28,531
reimbursements.

910
00:54:28,531 --> 00:54:32,296
RCRC may ultimately put together a contract

911
00:54:32,296 --> 00:54:34,956
to assist those counties in doing that work.

912
00:54:34,956 --> 00:54:36,810
Those proposals are due in August so more

913
00:54:36,810 --> 00:54:38,596
to come on the mandates initiative.

914
00:54:38,596 --> 00:54:41,366
I just wanted you to know we are putting a lot of effort

915
00:54:41,366 --> 00:54:42,760
into that space.

916
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,136
The last one I was going to mention on this slide

917
00:54:45,136 --> 00:54:46,864
is Jail Medical Services.

918
00:54:46,864 --> 00:54:50,762
We have 25 counties and five regions participating in a study

919
00:54:50,762 --> 00:54:53,976
to look at long term options for providing jail medical services.

920
00:54:53,976 --> 00:54:57,501
Whether you are one of those 25 counties are not,

921
00:54:57,501 --> 00:55:01,616
I think you are going to benefit from the results that come out

922
00:55:01,616 --> 00:55:03,542
of it because those results are going to look

923
00:55:03,542 --> 00:55:05,256
at a variety of options.

924
00:55:05,256 --> 00:55:07,946
If you were to meet the national accreditation standards

925
00:55:07,946 --> 00:55:10,952
for providing jail medical care, what

926
00:55:10,952 --> 00:55:14,640
are the different ways you can provide that care?

927
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:15,446
It could be regionally?

928
00:55:15,446 --> 00:55:18,429
It could be originally going through the contract procurement

929
00:55:18,429 --> 00:55:21,792
and administration process to procure a private vendor.

930
00:55:21,792 --> 00:55:24,176
It could be originally having a single vendor provide

931
00:55:24,176 --> 00:55:24,741
that service.

932
00:55:24,741 --> 00:55:27,856
It can be regionally having a public agency model

933
00:55:27,856 --> 00:55:29,609
or doing all that same work by county.

934
00:55:29,609 --> 00:55:31,876
These analysis will look at that array of options

935
00:55:31,876 --> 00:55:35,196
and do detailed financial analysis associated with them

936
00:55:35,196 --> 00:55:36,996
so counties can look at that and say okay.

937
00:55:36,996 --> 00:55:39,216
For the long run this may make the best option

938
00:55:39,216 --> 00:55:42,776
because we do know counties are seeing significant cost

939
00:55:42,776 --> 00:55:44,876
increases with renewables not unexpected

940
00:55:44,876 --> 00:55:47,456
when the primary provider went through bankruptcy here

941
00:55:47,456 --> 00:55:50,496
6 or 8 months ago and has emerged from it

942
00:55:50,496 --> 00:55:53,242
but the expectation of the reality

943
00:55:53,242 --> 00:55:55,936
is that we are seeing significant cost increases not

944
00:55:55,936 --> 00:55:57,970
only with that provider as a result but also

945
00:55:57,970 --> 00:56:00,599
a few of the other providers have come into the marketplace

946
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:02,349
so we know costs are going up.

947
00:56:02,349 --> 00:56:04,549
We know the risks in litigation are going up

948
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:06,608
and we are working closely with those counties

949
00:56:06,608 --> 00:56:08,408
to know what the long term options are.

950
00:56:08,408 --> 00:56:11,824
That's a quick analysis of some of our advocacy efforts.

951
00:56:11,824 --> 00:56:14,944
I was going to switch to affiliate entities now.

952
00:56:14,944 --> 00:56:18,264
I'll just make sure there aren't any questions on advocacy

953
00:56:18,264 --> 00:56:21,216
and we can come back to it at the end if there are.

954
00:56:21,216 --> 00:56:21,936
>> We have one.

955
00:56:21,936 --> 00:56:23,296
Thank you.

956
00:56:23,296 --> 00:56:24,762
>> I have two questions.

957
00:56:24,762 --> 00:56:27,762
The first is regarding AB 2494.

958
00:56:27,822 --> 00:56:32,148
As you know our county has taken a position that we

959
00:56:32,148 --> 00:56:34,106
are in support and of course it is co-sponsored

960
00:56:34,106 --> 00:56:36,506
by our state representatives.

961
00:56:36,856 --> 00:56:40,112
Assemblymember Rogers and Assembly Member Conley soon

962
00:56:40,112 --> 00:56:44,912
to be Senator Conley, Senator McGuire and I

963
00:56:46,555 --> 00:56:50,756
see that RCRC has taken a position opposing ours.

964
00:56:50,756 --> 00:56:55,656
We are arguably the most impacted county out of all 58.

965
00:56:55,656 --> 00:56:58,896
Now that you see that we have a different perspective on this,

966
00:56:58,896 --> 00:57:03,960
would RCRC be willing to back us?

967
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:05,986
I understand this decision was made

968
00:57:05,986 --> 00:57:08,820
without consulting our county.

969
00:57:08,820 --> 00:57:10,896
>> That is a difficult needle to thread because while Mendocino

970
00:57:10,896 --> 00:57:15,460
is supportive we have multiple counties that are opposed unless

971
00:57:15,460 --> 00:57:16,560
amended.

972
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,844
Our board policy says that while we support efforts

973
00:57:18,844 --> 00:57:23,496
that will lead to increased wildfire resistance and carbon

974
00:57:23,496 --> 00:57:26,482
sequestration we oppose measures that

975
00:57:26,482 --> 00:57:30,404
are going to put additional impact on timber harvest.

976
00:57:30,404 --> 00:57:35,736
At the end of the day the Senate Committee on Natural resources

977
00:57:35,736 --> 00:57:39,322
was to bring everybody in and try to identify collaboratively

978
00:57:39,322 --> 00:57:41,496
a landing place that could meet everyone's interests

979
00:57:41,496 --> 00:57:43,424
and I suspect that exists.

980
00:57:43,424 --> 00:57:46,456
I do think there are potential amendments that could address

981
00:57:46,456 --> 00:57:51,161
the concerns that are being expressed around durable on site

982
00:57:51,161 --> 00:57:55,396
carbon storage, around the mature forest language that

983
00:57:55,396 --> 00:57:56,560
is in there.

984
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:57,696
I think there are solutions so I am

985
00:57:57,696 --> 00:57:59,549
hopeful that that will be what happens next

986
00:57:59,549 --> 00:58:02,402
and we will reach an agreement.

987
00:58:02,402 --> 00:58:05,706
>> So I guess my concern is less about the specific instance.

988
00:58:05,706 --> 00:58:08,316
More about the abstract that we weren't consulted.

989
00:58:08,316 --> 00:58:12,464
Is that a way to remedy that going forward?

990
00:58:12,464 --> 00:58:15,942
I understand none of the five of us

991
00:58:15,942 --> 00:58:17,982
were asked what is the county's position.

992
00:58:17,982 --> 00:58:20,315
We didn't have a seat at the table.

993
00:58:20,315 --> 00:58:21,496
We didn't vote in it.

994
00:58:21,496 --> 00:58:23,320
Can you describe what that process

995
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,998
is so we have an opportunity to weigh in next time?

996
00:58:25,998 --> 00:58:27,696
Even if we are on the losing end we

997
00:58:27,696 --> 00:58:30,601
want the opportunity to be part of the conversation.

998
00:58:30,601 --> 00:58:32,726
>> I think that is great feedback we can carry back

999
00:58:32,726 --> 00:58:35,196
to the team in terms of how do we strengthen that going

1000
00:58:35,196 --> 00:58:36,160
forward.

1001
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,992
Ultimately the idea is to be able to check in

1002
00:58:37,992 --> 00:58:42,460
with supervisors that we know have interest in that area.

1003
00:58:42,460 --> 00:58:44,880
Doesn't sound like that work to your satisfaction

1004
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,567
at this point so that's great feedback for me

1005
00:58:46,567 --> 00:58:47,942
to take back and talk to the team

1006
00:58:47,942 --> 00:58:50,296
and evaluate how we can strengthen that going forward.

1007
00:58:50,296 --> 00:58:52,556
I don't have the exact remedy today

1008
00:58:52,556 --> 00:58:55,960
but I do want to work on it.

1009
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:55,888
>> Appreciate it.

1010
00:58:55,888 --> 00:58:57,797
The second question is regarding broadband.

1011
00:58:57,797 --> 00:59:01,200
We were one of the early members for global State Connect

1012
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:01,502
Authority.

1013
00:59:01,502 --> 00:59:03,656
I still think it's the best way to roll out

1014
00:59:03,656 --> 00:59:06,684
broadband in rural counties and it's certainly not

1015
00:59:06,684 --> 00:59:08,878
on RCRC to fund.

1016
00:59:08,878 --> 00:59:11,664
You are helping us with state and federal funds.

1017
00:59:11,664 --> 00:59:15,396
It seems after about $57 million is allocated

1018
00:59:15,396 --> 00:59:17,984
to Mendocino County we will have collected

1019
00:59:17,984 --> 00:59:20,628
zero last mile and our unincorporated which is really

1020
00:59:20,628 --> 00:59:21,836
hard to explain to taxpayers.

1021
00:59:21,836 --> 00:59:24,676
Do you have any thoughts on how together we

1022
00:59:24,676 --> 00:59:27,576
can lobby for true equity?

1023
00:59:27,576 --> 00:59:30,740
Equity means it costs more to deploy broadband

1024
00:59:30,740 --> 00:59:32,138
to some parts of the state.

1025
00:59:32,138 --> 00:59:32,638
Right?

1026
00:59:32,638 --> 00:59:34,856
You have children trying to do education.

1027
00:59:34,856 --> 00:59:39,736
You have seniors trying to get health care online in places

1028
00:59:39,736 --> 00:59:44,192
that cost more and it seems that the state direction has

1029
00:59:44,192 --> 00:59:47,360
been spent the dollars to cover as many people as possible which

1030
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:48,932
is the opposite of equity.

1031
00:59:48,932 --> 00:59:51,632
It means cherry pick the areas of density

1032
00:59:51,632 --> 00:59:54,116
which is exactly what the commercial providers have

1033
00:59:54,116 --> 00:59:55,616
done for decades.

1034
00:59:55,616 --> 00:59:57,781
Any thoughts on how we can work together

1035
00:59:57,781 --> 01:00:01,136
to drive the state towards true equity?

1036
01:00:01,136 --> 01:00:03,718
>> I'm going to have a slide on GSK in a second.

1037
01:00:03,718 --> 01:00:05,798
The short answer right now is I think

1038
01:00:05,798 --> 01:00:08,586
we need to increase the cadence of our participation

1039
01:00:08,586 --> 01:00:11,956
at California Public Utilities Commission meetings themselves

1040
01:00:11,956 --> 01:00:14,922
to make the statement you just said and they need

1041
01:00:14,922 --> 01:00:17,606
to hear directly from community leaders community

1042
01:00:17,606 --> 01:00:19,476
interest in that front.

1043
01:00:19,476 --> 01:00:21,896
One of the commissioners has said to me

1044
01:00:21,896 --> 01:00:23,608
those voices are compelling to them.

1045
01:00:23,608 --> 01:00:25,427
There is another county right now

1046
01:00:25,427 --> 01:00:32,627
that is on the verge of CPU c taking back their allocation.

1047
01:00:33,149 --> 01:00:36,456
Staff are concerned that it doesn't meet

1048
01:00:36,456 --> 01:00:38,156
the letter of the resolution.

1049
01:00:38,156 --> 01:00:38,980
I disagree.

1050
01:00:38,980 --> 01:00:42,420
I say all that to say that it's going to be another lost

1051
01:00:42,420 --> 01:00:44,962
opportunity you are describing where those monies will revert

1052
01:00:44,962 --> 01:00:48,760
back into a fund and disappear and in all likelihood never

1053
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:49,376
see those funds come back.

1054
01:00:49,376 --> 01:00:50,409
We share the concern.

1055
01:00:50,409 --> 01:00:57,900
I think we need to amplify our voices at the CPUC.

1056
01:00:57,976 --> 01:01:02,858
Golden State Finance Authority is an agency made up

1057
01:01:02,858 --> 01:01:04,816
of all 40 counties including Mendocino

1058
01:01:04,816 --> 01:01:08,960
that provides financing for an array of uses from if you have

1059
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,730
somebody in your community that wants

1060
01:01:11,730 --> 01:01:16,194
to buy a home gold State Finance Authority can provide

1061
01:01:16,194 --> 01:01:16,694
assistance.

1062
01:01:16,694 --> 01:01:18,896
One of the most recent things we've done

1063
01:01:18,896 --> 01:01:23,752
is financing so if you have a district or city that

1064
01:01:23,752 --> 01:01:26,256
received a big grant but has to put the money out first

1065
01:01:26,256 --> 01:01:28,511
before they can get reimbursed by the grant

1066
01:01:28,511 --> 01:01:31,496
we provide bridge funding for that.

1067
01:01:31,496 --> 01:01:35,827
The latest one is for Plumas County for $1 million.

1068
01:01:35,827 --> 01:01:40,160
If you go to the next slide one thing

1069
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:44,816
I wanted to call out the GSFA provides

1070
01:01:46,749 --> 01:01:51,746
an assist to own programs so you can get up to 3.5% down payment

1071
01:01:51,746 --> 01:01:53,420
assistance at zero cost.

1072
01:01:53,420 --> 01:01:56,510
That means there is never payments due.

1073
01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:57,600
Interest never Amortizes.

1074
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,533
It just sits there.

1075
01:01:59,533 --> 01:02:02,160
The principal time is the second until such time you

1076
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,496
sell your home at which time the principal only

1077
01:02:04,496 --> 01:02:07,236
is due at the end of 30 years you would need to refinance.

1078
01:02:07,236 --> 01:02:10,636
The cost of that are borne by Golden State Finance Authority.

1079
01:02:10,636 --> 01:02:14,802
It was something our board did out of recognition of a tool

1080
01:02:14,802 --> 01:02:17,202
to help increase retention.

1081
01:02:17,276 --> 01:02:21,886
I think you've had many people take advantage to buy homes.

1082
01:02:21,886 --> 01:02:24,560
I just want to stress it so everyone

1083
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,256
knows it is a tool that can be available for them.

1084
01:02:27,256 --> 01:02:30,576
Now on the Golden State Connect Authority

1085
01:02:30,576 --> 01:02:33,816
this is our newest joint powers agency

1086
01:02:33,816 --> 01:02:37,336
that came to life five years ago roughly.

1087
01:02:37,336 --> 01:02:39,996
Supervisor Williams has been a board member since its inception

1088
01:02:39,996 --> 01:02:42,392
and it came to life because at that point

1089
01:02:42,392 --> 01:02:44,827
the state had just passed SB 156 which

1090
01:02:44,827 --> 01:02:49,260
was going to put a lot of money out for broadband deployment

1091
01:02:49,260 --> 01:02:51,760
and our small county said we don't have the capacity

1092
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:58,960
to go after those dollars so we formed GSCA to do that

1093
01:03:01,290 --> 01:03:06,760
and a couple of years later we had pulled down 185 million

1094
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:07,606
for construction.

1095
01:03:07,606 --> 01:03:11,444
We paired that with 110 million for private investment

1096
01:03:11,444 --> 01:03:14,725
and we are just now in the final stages of putting together

1097
01:03:14,725 --> 01:03:17,610
about a $220 million contract to complete

1098
01:03:17,610 --> 01:03:22,496
all of our initial project areas that unfortunately don't include

1099
01:03:22,496 --> 01:03:27,896
Mendocino County but were awarded into hammer Glen Amador

1100
01:03:28,176 --> 01:03:30,236
Alpine Mono and Imperial Counties.

1101
01:03:30,236 --> 01:03:33,113
We are already in construction in Glenn County.

1102
01:03:33,113 --> 01:03:37,256
So to take a new public agency that didn't exist five years ago

1103
01:03:37,256 --> 01:03:41,560
and now on the precipice of 220 million in construction I think

1104
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,820
is impressive and we're excited to get that work underway.

1105
01:03:44,820 --> 01:03:47,184
There is a lot more to go so think of this as the foundation.

1106
01:03:47,184 --> 01:03:49,896
Once we get this system in place the idea

1107
01:03:49,896 --> 01:03:52,320
is to start to build out in concentric ways

1108
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,736
to get more and more unserved rural areas.

1109
01:03:55,736 --> 01:03:59,381
One of the challenges has been exactly what Supervisor Williams

1110
01:03:59,381 --> 01:04:02,904
references which is that these areas are costly to build in

1111
01:04:02,904 --> 01:04:05,336
and sometimes it seems like the lower risk higher density

1112
01:04:05,336 --> 01:04:07,924
projects get prioritized for funding for Mac

1113
01:04:07,924 --> 01:04:15,124
I think we are going to amplify our voices with the CPUC.

1114
01:04:19,210 --> 01:04:21,816
We have work to do still on that front.

1115
01:04:21,816 --> 01:04:24,936
I hope that answers your questions.

1116
01:04:24,936 --> 01:04:30,336
The next entity is Golden State natural resources formed

1117
01:04:32,235 --> 01:04:36,416
to help the state advance the pace and scale of forest

1118
01:04:36,416 --> 01:04:37,656
resilience projects.

1119
01:04:37,656 --> 01:04:39,624
We've reached a little over 500 thousand

1120
01:04:39,624 --> 01:04:40,986
and now it is declining.

1121
01:04:40,986 --> 01:04:44,480
It is declining because those treatments take state

1122
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:45,626
and federal subsidies to occur.

1123
01:04:45,626 --> 01:04:49,806
Presently there's large piles of low diameter biomass left behind

1124
01:04:49,806 --> 01:04:53,960
that either decomposes in place or is burned in place.

1125
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,156
Our goal has been to find a commercially sustainable outlet

1126
01:04:56,156 --> 01:04:58,669
for that material so that the proceeds of that

1127
01:04:58,669 --> 01:05:02,696
can be reinvested to get more forest resilience projects done.

1128
01:05:02,696 --> 01:05:05,396
We are working closely with entities

1129
01:05:05,396 --> 01:05:07,435
like Lawrence Livermore Labs and others

1130
01:05:07,435 --> 01:05:09,852
to complete an environmental document which will hopefully

1131
01:05:09,852 --> 01:05:12,256
be out in August or September that will

1132
01:05:12,256 --> 01:05:14,384
look at forest treatment occurring

1133
01:05:14,384 --> 01:05:16,672
within 100 miles of two sites.

1134
01:05:16,672 --> 01:05:18,240
One in Lesson County.

1135
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,136
One in Tulum County transporting the low diameter

1136
01:05:21,136 --> 01:05:24,279
biomass to those two sites then converting it to woodchips

1137
01:05:24,279 --> 01:05:26,982
and shipping it by rail as far south as Kern County

1138
01:05:26,982 --> 01:05:32,290
or as far north as Oregon or potentially Reno or the Bay

1139
01:05:32,290 --> 01:05:32,870
area.

1140
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:36,755
That said, that type of commercial user

1141
01:05:36,755 --> 01:05:39,969
does not exist in California yet so we are working

1142
01:05:39,969 --> 01:05:42,696
to find what are the array of potential users in the future

1143
01:05:42,696 --> 01:05:48,376
and it's likely to be someone in the alternative fuels field.

1144
01:05:48,376 --> 01:05:51,104
Hydrogen or an alternative wood product and we

1145
01:05:51,104 --> 01:05:54,950
are working with University of Berkeley Wood Innovations Lab

1146
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:58,356
to identify what the future alternative innovative wood

1147
01:05:58,356 --> 01:06:00,522
products would look like.

1148
01:06:00,522 --> 01:06:03,780
The point of our projects is to de-risk the supply side

1149
01:06:03,780 --> 01:06:05,576
so if one of those users does come into California

1150
01:06:05,576 --> 01:06:08,119
we will have de-risked the biomass supply

1151
01:06:08,119 --> 01:06:09,536
side so they can get that material

1152
01:06:09,536 --> 01:06:13,150
and have it at their ready.

1153
01:06:13,150 --> 01:06:16,656
The environmental document again will come out this fall

1154
01:06:16,656 --> 01:06:17,482
hopefully.

1155
01:06:17,482 --> 01:06:19,482
Next slide.

1156
01:06:19,736 --> 01:06:22,736
Environmental Services joint Powers Agency.

1157
01:06:23,895 --> 01:06:24,553
>> Excuse me.

1158
01:06:24,553 --> 01:06:26,416
We do have one question.

1159
01:06:26,416 --> 01:06:27,982
>> Going back to that biomass idea.

1160
01:06:27,982 --> 01:06:34,676
Does that have to do with the pellet plant that was going on?

1161
01:06:34,676 --> 01:06:38,150
>> It did but our board last summer basically pivoted away

1162
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:41,845
from the international market in pellets to looking at a future

1163
01:06:41,845 --> 01:06:44,920
domestic market that relies on wood chips and there were two

1164
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:46,176
reasons they made that pivot.

1165
01:06:46,176 --> 01:06:48,765
One is that the market for pellets

1166
01:06:48,765 --> 01:06:51,136
changed while demand remains strong.

1167
01:06:51,136 --> 01:06:53,456
Supply had increased exponentially namely

1168
01:06:53,456 --> 01:06:56,120
from Vietnam during the time we were

1169
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:57,720
doing our environmental analysis and that

1170
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,240
had the effect of softening prices

1171
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,580
to the point where it did not pencil out any more.

1172
01:07:02,580 --> 01:07:03,516
Secondly there was a lot of concern

1173
01:07:03,516 --> 01:07:05,576
with using that biomass to ship overseas

1174
01:07:05,576 --> 01:07:11,552
so our board looked at that and the financial modeling and said,

1175
01:07:11,552 --> 01:07:13,506
we're going to pivot to the domestic market.

1176
01:07:13,506 --> 01:07:16,326
We recognize that as a risk because commercial users don't

1177
01:07:16,326 --> 01:07:18,118
yet exist in California but they felt

1178
01:07:18,118 --> 01:07:20,259
that was the right thing to do for the long term

1179
01:07:20,259 --> 01:07:23,769
and so that is where our work has been devoted since.

1180
01:07:23,769 --> 01:07:24,269
>> Okay.

1181
01:07:24,269 --> 01:07:25,656
Thank you.

1182
01:07:25,656 --> 01:07:26,736
>> Okay.

1183
01:07:26,736 --> 01:07:29,106
Environmental service joint powers authority.

1184
01:07:29,106 --> 01:07:32,560
This is made up of 26 of small rural counties

1185
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,560
basically to help them with calorie cycle regulation

1186
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,996
regional Water Quality Control board regulations

1187
01:07:37,996 --> 01:07:41,720
so they come together and achieve economies of scale

1188
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,560
through that process.

1189
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:44,639
This is our last one.

1190
01:07:44,639 --> 01:07:46,762
The rural Advancement Institute is

1191
01:07:46,762 --> 01:07:50,286
a 501 C3 the board brought back to life to do two things.

1192
01:07:50,286 --> 01:07:52,676
One is to focus on primarily urban legislators

1193
01:07:52,676 --> 01:07:53,837
and their staff.

1194
01:07:53,837 --> 01:07:56,900
We've held two tours one in Mariposa County

1195
01:07:56,900 --> 01:07:59,709
and one in Monterey County and we are planning a third now

1196
01:07:59,709 --> 01:08:02,308
in Tehama County and we've had increasing attendance at each

1197
01:08:02,308 --> 01:08:04,266
of those to get them out into rural communities

1198
01:08:04,266 --> 01:08:06,984
to talk about everything from ag to natural resources

1199
01:08:06,984 --> 01:08:09,531
and all the typical issues you might expect

1200
01:08:09,531 --> 01:08:13,282
but to familiarize those urban participants with those issues.

1201
01:08:13,282 --> 01:08:16,466
The second is to partner with academic institutions

1202
01:08:16,466 --> 01:08:20,424
to do research around topics of key interest to rural counties.

1203
01:08:20,424 --> 01:08:23,229
The most recent 1st May be of interest to you.

1204
01:08:23,229 --> 01:08:25,688
We just finished a published report

1205
01:08:25,688 --> 01:08:29,189
with UC Santa Barbara looking at the issue of fire

1206
01:08:29,189 --> 01:08:32,448
and EMS capacity in rural counties

1207
01:08:32,448 --> 01:08:36,149
and the twin capacities of increasing call volume

1208
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:38,776
and decreasing volunteer availability and couple

1209
01:08:38,776 --> 01:08:40,902
that with insufficient funding for staffing

1210
01:08:40,902 --> 01:08:42,819
and it's a challenge for many of our counties.

1211
01:08:42,819 --> 01:08:45,190
I think if you were to read that report you

1212
01:08:45,190 --> 01:08:46,848
would find it nothing new.

1213
01:08:46,848 --> 01:08:48,856
Is probably something you are living and dealing

1214
01:08:48,856 --> 01:08:50,536
with every day here in Mendocino County

1215
01:08:50,536 --> 01:08:55,349
but many in the legislature were fully unaware of that challenge.

1216
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:58,429
Many legislators have no idea when

1217
01:08:58,429 --> 01:09:01,176
they are driving from LA to mammoth that they are depending

1218
01:09:01,176 --> 01:09:04,360
on a basic life support ambulance system staffed

1219
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:07,471
by volunteers that may or may not be available to respond

1220
01:09:07,471 --> 01:09:09,716
if there's an accident on 385 and I just

1221
01:09:09,716 --> 01:09:12,456
used that as an example that may resonate with them.

1222
01:09:12,456 --> 01:09:14,956
So this report really identifies that.

1223
01:09:14,956 --> 01:09:17,242
It's the first I've seen of the California

1224
01:09:17,242 --> 01:09:19,536
specific statewide report that does that

1225
01:09:19,536 --> 01:09:21,736
and then it lays out recommendations.

1226
01:09:21,736 --> 01:09:24,936
Step two is to take those recommendations and build them

1227
01:09:24,936 --> 01:09:27,953
out so professors are going to be --

1228
01:09:27,953 --> 01:09:31,616
the data is a little uneven across jurisdictions for that

1229
01:09:31,616 --> 01:09:34,186
first report so it's going to be reaching out directly

1230
01:09:34,186 --> 01:09:36,992
to jurisdictions to tighten up some of the data then secondly

1231
01:09:36,992 --> 01:09:40,216
working on those recommendations but doing so in an interesting

1232
01:09:40,216 --> 01:09:43,610
way that I think will resonate with the legislature which is

1233
01:09:43,610 --> 01:09:44,711
looking at health outcomes.

1234
01:09:44,711 --> 01:09:47,742
Part of what we suspect that the report is going to show

1235
01:09:47,742 --> 01:09:52,736
is that there are lower health outcomes in rural areas because

1236
01:09:52,736 --> 01:09:56,176
of this gap in fire and EMS capacity and health outcomes

1237
01:09:56,176 --> 01:09:58,392
is a topic near and dear to many in the legislature

1238
01:09:58,392 --> 01:10:01,616
so trying to tie it together in a way that resonates

1239
01:10:01,616 --> 01:10:04,536
with terminology and issues they are used to studying

1240
01:10:04,536 --> 01:10:09,592
but gets to the underlying issue which is the challenge for fire

1241
01:10:09,592 --> 01:10:12,160
and EMS capacity in rural areas so

1242
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:17,336
look to that to come out in the following year.

1243
01:10:17,336 --> 01:10:19,336
>> Great presentation.

1244
01:10:19,356 --> 01:10:22,392
>> I just want to say thank you to Pat for coming in and giving

1245
01:10:22,392 --> 01:10:23,512
this update to the board.

1246
01:10:23,512 --> 01:10:25,746
It helps for not only the full board but also

1247
01:10:25,746 --> 01:10:27,219
the community to be aware of.

1248
01:10:27,219 --> 01:10:33,219
One of the amazing things we get to participate in ,

1249
01:10:33,781 --> 01:10:36,410
RCRC is a bright spot.

1250
01:10:36,410 --> 01:10:38,536
I love working with your amazing staff.

1251
01:10:38,536 --> 01:10:39,913
It's such a great team.

1252
01:10:39,913 --> 01:10:41,746
Always having really important conversations

1253
01:10:41,746 --> 01:10:46,216
about the most important policy issues facing rural communities.

1254
01:10:46,216 --> 01:10:49,832
I'm looking forward to connecting you with our fire

1255
01:10:49,832 --> 01:10:53,192
chief association to talk about fire and EMS capacity

1256
01:10:53,192 --> 01:10:56,960
as well as county staff working on this issue.

1257
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,336
The Sigma work has been really helpful.

1258
01:10:59,336 --> 01:11:01,128
It is something that is really challenging

1259
01:11:01,128 --> 01:11:02,684
for a lot of property owners.

1260
01:11:02,684 --> 01:11:04,256
There is opportunities for us that

1261
01:11:04,256 --> 01:11:06,296
are going to come out of the jail medical work

1262
01:11:06,296 --> 01:11:09,960
and I could go on and on just the benefit is

1263
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,896
huge for Mendocino County to participate in RCRC.

1264
01:11:14,689 --> 01:11:16,769
Just thank you again.

1265
01:11:16,769 --> 01:11:18,936
>> Thank you for coming today and thank you for that

1266
01:11:18,936 --> 01:11:19,536
presentation.

1267
01:11:19,536 --> 01:11:22,896
I hope that maybe the executive office can

1268
01:11:22,896 --> 01:11:26,536
share some information about the importance of RCRC

1269
01:11:26,536 --> 01:11:30,420
and why we participate because I think that especially

1270
01:11:30,420 --> 01:11:32,656
highlighting some of the affiliate agencies

1271
01:11:32,656 --> 01:11:36,666
and I know that I talk about the home opportunities with Golden

1272
01:11:36,666 --> 01:11:38,376
State Finance Authority often.

1273
01:11:38,376 --> 01:11:42,396
Because it is really a benefit I think that other agencies

1274
01:11:42,396 --> 01:11:46,576
don't offer and especially when as a rural county we are trying

1275
01:11:46,576 --> 01:11:50,560
to be competitive and especially when we are looking at law

1276
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:55,389
enforcement and other positions that are so key to our community

1277
01:11:55,389 --> 01:12:01,316
that really is a benefit that cannot be seen in other agencies

1278
01:12:01,316 --> 01:12:04,776
so really appreciate all of the work that you do for us.

1279
01:12:04,776 --> 01:12:08,381
>> Appreciate that and if ever we can participate in a realtor

1280
01:12:08,381 --> 01:12:11,816
association locally to get the word out about assistance

1281
01:12:11,816 --> 01:12:13,976
programs we're happy to do it.

1282
01:12:13,976 --> 01:12:15,276
>> I have no more questions.

1283
01:12:15,276 --> 01:12:16,200
Thank you.

1284
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,416
Any public comment on this item?

1285
01:12:19,416 --> 01:12:21,416
Madam clerk.

1286
01:12:22,576 --> 01:12:24,976
>> Seeing no comments online.

1287
01:12:25,256 --> 01:12:26,456
>> Back to the board.

1288
01:12:26,456 --> 01:12:29,256
We are looking for a motion for acceptance.

1289
01:12:29,256 --> 01:12:31,256
>> Move approval.

1290
01:12:31,456 --> 01:12:33,557
>> First by Supervisor Williams.

1291
01:12:33,557 --> 01:12:35,957
Second by Supervisor Cline.

1292
01:12:37,186 --> 01:12:40,786
We will vote by the button.

1293
01:12:44,679 --> 01:12:46,960
>> The motion carries unanimously.

1294
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,960
>> Thank you.

1295
01:12:48,580 --> 01:12:52,180
Item R4 discussion and possible action

1296
01:12:52,296 --> 01:12:55,360
including approval or denial of request from department heads

1297
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:56,762
and elected officials regarding budget

1298
01:12:56,762 --> 01:12:59,976
impacts funding and recruitment of vacant or new positions

1299
01:12:59,976 --> 01:13:02,976
following the strategic hiring process.

1300
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:03,796
>> Good morning.

1301
01:13:03,796 --> 01:13:05,740
Sherry Johnson Human Resource Director.

1302
01:13:05,740 --> 01:13:07,464
We have a department that would like

1303
01:13:07,464 --> 01:13:09,256
to make a request to the board this morning

1304
01:13:09,256 --> 01:13:10,796
and so we have the Sheriff's office.

1305
01:13:10,796 --> 01:13:12,796
Thank you.

1306
01:13:12,802 --> 01:13:14,802
>> Thank you.

1307
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:21,800
>> Good morning .

1308
01:13:21,707 --> 01:13:22,530
Sheriff Matt.

1309
01:13:22,530 --> 01:13:25,424
I have with me captain Jason Cardillo.

1310
01:13:25,424 --> 01:13:27,366
We are requesting to fill more positions

1311
01:13:27,366 --> 01:13:28,521
for the Sheriff's office.

1312
01:13:28,521 --> 01:13:31,400
Currently we are dealing with some pretty violent crime

1313
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,320
and whatnot that you probably have seen in the paper.

1314
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,480
More homicides and more issues and we

1315
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:37,904
are running short on personnel.

1316
01:13:37,904 --> 01:13:41,240
We have currently eight personnel out on injury.

1317
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:42,950
Several of those folks we don't believe

1318
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:45,158
are going to make it back due to the type of injuries

1319
01:13:45,158 --> 01:13:45,924
that they have.

1320
01:13:45,924 --> 01:13:49,456
We have a few that we need to dual fill those positions

1321
01:13:49,456 --> 01:13:51,380
because I just don't think we are

1322
01:13:51,380 --> 01:13:52,456
going to see them back to work.

1323
01:13:52,456 --> 01:13:56,202
We also have some injuries that we will have our folks back

1324
01:13:56,202 --> 01:13:58,627
but we've got one subject who broke a bone.

1325
01:13:58,627 --> 01:14:01,336
We have to wait for that bone to heal.

1326
01:14:01,336 --> 01:14:05,600
We have to wait for a subject who had some serious tendon

1327
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:06,828
damage during an arrest.

1328
01:14:06,828 --> 01:14:08,256
Things like that.

1329
01:14:08,256 --> 01:14:10,736
Right now we are dealing with some pretty serious crime

1330
01:14:10,736 --> 01:14:14,336
because the illicit marijuana has blown

1331
01:14:14,448 --> 01:14:16,576
up again in Mendocino County.

1332
01:14:16,576 --> 01:14:18,136
Particularly in the North.

1333
01:14:18,136 --> 01:14:20,808
It has gotten completely out of control.

1334
01:14:20,808 --> 01:14:23,829
We have transnational drug trafficking organizations

1335
01:14:23,829 --> 01:14:26,560
that are working in our areas.

1336
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:27,810
We are dealing with homicides and things

1337
01:14:27,810 --> 01:14:29,352
like that including human trafficking

1338
01:14:29,352 --> 01:14:32,616
so we are going to have to start hiring up again.

1339
01:14:32,616 --> 01:14:34,976
We need to get these positions refunded.

1340
01:14:34,976 --> 01:14:38,636
A big portion of that funding is going to come from the grants

1341
01:14:38,636 --> 01:14:42,682
that we've been working on but we are still about 33%

1342
01:14:42,682 --> 01:14:45,589
behind on being able to pay for that based on those grants

1343
01:14:45,589 --> 01:14:50,976
and so Captain Cardillo will talk about the fiscal impacts.

1344
01:14:50,976 --> 01:14:53,864
>> Good morning chair and members of the board.

1345
01:14:53,864 --> 01:14:56,888
Jason Cardillo administrative captain at the Sheriff's office.

1346
01:14:56,888 --> 01:14:59,656
As you are probably aware and as the Sheriff

1347
01:14:59,656 --> 01:15:03,784
stated we are looking to fund the five positions that

1348
01:15:03,784 --> 01:15:08,584
have been (Indistinct) as a cost savings measure

1349
01:15:09,416 --> 01:15:11,749
that we've worked hand in hand with the CEO's office

1350
01:15:11,749 --> 01:15:14,336
to show some cost savings for the county.

1351
01:15:14,336 --> 01:15:16,116
As the Sheriff stated we are definitely

1352
01:15:16,116 --> 01:15:20,576
in a critical point in time with our department.

1353
01:15:20,576 --> 01:15:23,164
At one of the last board meetings

1354
01:15:23,164 --> 01:15:25,509
they discussed at 33% vacancy rate

1355
01:15:25,509 --> 01:15:29,486
we have at the Sheriff's Office that doesn't include the eight

1356
01:15:29,486 --> 01:15:31,370
individuals we had out at leaves that

1357
01:15:31,370 --> 01:15:36,256
are going to push that even higher probably into 44 or 45%

1358
01:15:36,256 --> 01:15:37,160
vacancy rate.

1359
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,322
That is impacting our services to some extent

1360
01:15:39,322 --> 01:15:41,160
as members of the board are probably

1361
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,232
aware hearing from your outlying areas

1362
01:15:44,232 --> 01:15:49,160
the North sectors as well as the coast right now our main area

1363
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:53,329
where we are really struggling for personnel is out of ukiyo e.

1364
01:15:53,329 --> 01:15:57,210
50% of our culture service come out of that sector.

1365
01:15:57,210 --> 01:16:01,410
We do have some relief in sight.

1366
01:16:02,696 --> 01:16:07,560
We've hired three deputies one of them being a lateral we

1367
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:07,968
sworn in yesterday.

1368
01:16:07,968 --> 01:16:09,982
We have another three laterals that are

1369
01:16:09,982 --> 01:16:11,942
looking to be hired in August.

1370
01:16:11,942 --> 01:16:16,760
One on August 3rd and then two on August 17th.

1371
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:17,729
Our hope is for the board to continue

1372
01:16:17,729 --> 01:16:21,272
to work with us to get our numbers up so that we can

1373
01:16:21,272 --> 01:16:23,768
provide the level of service that the County deserves

1374
01:16:23,768 --> 01:16:26,676
and with that being said, we've had

1375
01:16:26,676 --> 01:16:30,753
top 64 with the hard work of Lieutenant Eric Clark

1376
01:16:30,753 --> 01:16:35,109
as well as Megan Z from our Financial Services Bureau.

1377
01:16:35,109 --> 01:16:39,156
They were able to put us in a position where we received this

1378
01:16:39,156 --> 01:16:43,241
funding from prop 64 which will cover two full time positions

1379
01:16:43,241 --> 01:16:47,484
which would equate to just a little bit less than $500,000

1380
01:16:47,484 --> 01:16:52,816
in savings over a five year period or actually fund those

1381
01:16:52,816 --> 01:16:56,776
two positions that are $500,000 costs over the course

1382
01:16:56,776 --> 01:16:58,890
of the next five years.

1383
01:16:58,890 --> 01:17:01,518
One of our key needs at this point

1384
01:17:01,518 --> 01:17:03,536
is that our supervisor level.

1385
01:17:03,536 --> 01:17:05,496
First line supervisor for the Sheriff's office

1386
01:17:05,496 --> 01:17:07,376
would be a Sergeant position.

1387
01:17:07,376 --> 01:17:09,656
The Sheriff mentioned we are down

1388
01:17:09,656 --> 01:17:13,256
Firstline supervisors in two sectors which

1389
01:17:14,148 --> 01:17:17,100
is critical for County council I'm sure can attest

1390
01:17:17,100 --> 01:17:18,832
is very critical for the Sheriff's Office

1391
01:17:18,832 --> 01:17:21,224
to ensure we have proper supervision of all

1392
01:17:21,224 --> 01:17:22,120
our personnel.

1393
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:25,216
Right now we are going on at least two shifts

1394
01:17:25,216 --> 01:17:27,560
without firstline supervisors which

1395
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:31,429
is requiring our lieutenants who are tasked all over the board

1396
01:17:31,429 --> 01:17:34,596
right now not only acting as deputy sheriffs

1397
01:17:34,596 --> 01:17:37,616
but acting as supervisors reviewing reports the day

1398
01:17:37,616 --> 01:17:40,712
to day operations of the jail at the supervisor level

1399
01:17:40,712 --> 01:17:45,386
and being tasked with day to day managerial responsibilities.

1400
01:17:45,386 --> 01:17:47,894
We have one shift out at central sector

1401
01:17:47,894 --> 01:17:49,936
right now that only has one deputy and a Sergeant

1402
01:17:49,936 --> 01:17:52,765
and it is a day shift and it is one of the busiest

1403
01:17:52,765 --> 01:17:54,232
shifts we presently have.

1404
01:17:54,232 --> 01:17:57,322
We are having to fill the other shift with overtime

1405
01:17:57,322 --> 01:18:00,998
so you've seen or you are going to see --

1406
01:18:00,998 --> 01:18:04,376
I've spoke with CEO Sarah Pierce earlier in the week

1407
01:18:04,376 --> 01:18:05,976
about the huge amount of overtime

1408
01:18:05,976 --> 01:18:08,129
that's going to be coming in from our homicide

1409
01:18:08,129 --> 01:18:11,951
as well as having to cover these vacant shifts so we would really

1410
01:18:11,951 --> 01:18:14,620
appreciate if you would look at funding those five positions.

1411
01:18:14,620 --> 01:18:18,280
It would be a cost to the general fund of a little over $1

1412
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:23,680
million and I understand that the county's position with

1413
01:18:23,816 --> 01:18:27,456
the budgetary constraints that we are in but you also have

1414
01:18:27,456 --> 01:18:30,376
to understand the Sheriff's position and that we've worked

1415
01:18:30,376 --> 01:18:34,161
the best we can with the Sheriff by working with less and doing

1416
01:18:34,161 --> 01:18:38,248
more and now we are at a very critical inroads that is going

1417
01:18:38,248 --> 01:18:43,648
to be a situation that is going to --

1418
01:18:44,420 --> 01:18:46,936
I don't see anything positive coming if we are not

1419
01:18:46,936 --> 01:18:51,736
able to continue to recruit for the positions

1420
01:18:52,256 --> 01:18:56,616
and have the positions that were allotted actually funded.

1421
01:18:56,616 --> 01:18:58,986
As everyone is aware we spoke to this before.

1422
01:18:58,986 --> 01:19:02,336
It takes us about six months to get someone hired so immediately

1423
01:19:02,336 --> 01:19:06,160
you are going to see some budget savings in that six person

1424
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:11,416
request in that it probably wouldn't be until January

1425
01:19:11,952 --> 01:19:16,152
or December, hopefully, that we could actually

1426
01:19:18,976 --> 01:19:22,408
look at having those positions filled if we have some interest.

1427
01:19:22,408 --> 01:19:24,536
Right now we are having a lot of interest

1428
01:19:24,536 --> 01:19:26,560
with laterals specifically.

1429
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,364
That is a cost savings to the department.

1430
01:19:28,364 --> 01:19:29,840
We could get them over.

1431
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,158
We could get them working in a shorter amount of time

1432
01:19:32,158 --> 01:19:35,280
and we are not having to invest on the front end in terms

1433
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:36,686
of their training and their academy day

1434
01:19:36,686 --> 01:19:39,876
so we are open to questions if there are any.

1435
01:19:39,876 --> 01:19:41,876
>> Thank you.

1436
01:19:42,474 --> 01:19:44,474
Supervisor Haschak.

1437
01:19:45,456 --> 01:19:52,656
>> With the prop 64 money, what will be the duties of those two

1438
01:19:54,576 --> 01:20:00,576
deputies, I assume will be used with that grant money?

1439
01:20:00,989 --> 01:20:03,960
That will be used for illegal marijuana

1440
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,642
or what is the purpose for that?

1441
01:20:06,642 --> 01:20:10,296
>> The purpose would be backfilling the assignment

1442
01:20:10,296 --> 01:20:12,656
of two new investigators.

1443
01:20:12,656 --> 01:20:16,688
Part of their duties would be investigating illicit marijuana

1444
01:20:16,688 --> 01:20:20,486
grows but with that comes the violence associated so they

1445
01:20:20,486 --> 01:20:22,216
become generalized investigators that

1446
01:20:22,216 --> 01:20:25,189
may have a specialty in the marijuana realm

1447
01:20:25,189 --> 01:20:29,136
as well as with the human trafficking entity of it.

1448
01:20:29,136 --> 01:20:29,787
>> Okay.

1449
01:20:29,787 --> 01:20:32,482
So it is on overall community safety.

1450
01:20:32,482 --> 01:20:34,482
Yeah.

1451
01:20:34,764 --> 01:20:37,472
>> If I may through the chair We will be bringing an item forward

1452
01:20:37,472 --> 01:20:41,416
on September 1st about prop 64 in more detail.

1453
01:20:41,416 --> 01:20:43,340
>> Thank you.

1454
01:20:43,340 --> 01:20:44,576
>> I'm not seeing any more questions.

1455
01:20:44,576 --> 01:20:46,576
Thank you both.

1456
01:20:50,385 --> 01:20:52,177
>> We will open this item up to the public.

1457
01:20:52,177 --> 01:20:54,816
Anybody in the room like to speak on this?

1458
01:20:54,816 --> 01:20:56,816
Madam clerk?

1459
01:21:00,676 --> 01:21:01,301
>> Seeing none.

1460
01:21:01,301 --> 01:21:01,801
>> Okay.

1461
01:21:01,801 --> 01:21:04,201
Back to the board.

1462
01:21:06,282 --> 01:21:07,656
Supervisor Haschak.

1463
01:21:07,656 --> 01:21:09,322
>> Just a question for the acting CEO.

1464
01:21:09,322 --> 01:21:14,137
We just passed a balanced budget so this $1 million.

1465
01:21:14,137 --> 01:21:17,576
Do you have an idea where this will come from?

1466
01:21:17,576 --> 01:21:22,421
>> If I may through the chair so the million dollars is the cost

1467
01:21:22,421 --> 01:21:26,596
for a full year as the memo states and Captain Castillo just

1468
01:21:26,596 --> 01:21:29,547
said it's probably going to be closer to I would say about half

1469
01:21:29,547 --> 01:21:33,791
$1 million once we get him hired and through background.

1470
01:21:33,791 --> 01:21:36,816
So I would turn it to the board.

1471
01:21:36,816 --> 01:21:38,996
Just public safety is your number one mandate.

1472
01:21:38,996 --> 01:21:43,796
We do have a balanced budget right now.

1473
01:21:44,696 --> 01:21:47,542
We did balance with one time funds

1474
01:21:47,542 --> 01:21:49,559
so there is a potential you could use one time

1475
01:21:49,559 --> 01:21:52,160
funds for this year then identify ongoing funding

1476
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:53,726
streams for future years.

1477
01:21:53,726 --> 01:21:57,169
The Sheriff's Office was a great partner in our budget

1478
01:21:57,169 --> 01:21:59,133
conferences and they did come in and only

1479
01:21:59,133 --> 01:22:00,696
ask for what they thought at the time

1480
01:22:00,696 --> 01:22:03,609
and now they're coming back and saying that we

1481
01:22:03,609 --> 01:22:05,609
need additional positions.

1482
01:22:05,656 --> 01:22:09,299
They are looking at other grants as well.

1483
01:22:09,299 --> 01:22:11,856
So right now there is not an identified source

1484
01:22:11,856 --> 01:22:15,960
except for one time so I turn it back to the board

1485
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,560
to see what other funding streams

1486
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:24,860
that you guys may be aware of or additional cuts somewhere else.

1487
01:22:24,860 --> 01:22:24,586
>> Okay.

1488
01:22:24,586 --> 01:22:26,866
So I think for me I think we've had

1489
01:22:26,866 --> 01:22:30,496
this discussion for as long as I've been here with the budget

1490
01:22:30,496 --> 01:22:33,389
and staffing and what are going to be the priorities

1491
01:22:33,389 --> 01:22:35,179
and we are going to get to a point

1492
01:22:35,179 --> 01:22:36,816
where we have to make a decision.

1493
01:22:36,816 --> 01:22:38,960
What is the priority?

1494
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:43,747
And I'm willing to make a motion to approve this item

1495
01:22:43,747 --> 01:22:47,162
and for me I think today is that day.

1496
01:22:47,162 --> 01:22:48,863
We're going to have to decide.

1497
01:22:48,863 --> 01:22:50,639
Do we want to fund the Sheriff's office

1498
01:22:50,639 --> 01:22:55,936
or not to keep them operational in the way that they see fit

1499
01:22:55,936 --> 01:23:00,136
and so I'm in 100% support of this.

1500
01:23:05,912 --> 01:23:07,402
>> I will second that motion.

1501
01:23:07,402 --> 01:23:08,159
>> Okay.

1502
01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:09,696
First by myself.

1503
01:23:09,696 --> 01:23:12,960
Second by Supervisor Haschak.

1504
01:23:17,546 --> 01:23:19,193
Supervisor Cline.

1505
01:23:19,193 --> 01:23:20,776
>> I want to appreciate your comments.

1506
01:23:20,776 --> 01:23:23,486
I agree completely we are at a crossroads for the county

1507
01:23:23,486 --> 01:23:25,701
where we will at some point have to soon make

1508
01:23:25,701 --> 01:23:28,409
some tough decisions on what the county is going to agree to fund

1509
01:23:28,409 --> 01:23:31,736
and public safety is our number one mandate and certainly

1510
01:23:31,736 --> 01:23:32,696
worth funding.

1511
01:23:32,696 --> 01:23:36,376
I appreciate the transparency from the Sheriff and his staff

1512
01:23:36,376 --> 01:23:39,529
today sharing about why we came to this request

1513
01:23:39,529 --> 01:23:43,129
and look forward to supporting it.

1514
01:23:43,776 --> 01:23:49,776
>> Seeing no more questions we will vote by the button.

1515
01:23:51,119 --> 01:23:52,536
>> The motion carries unanimously.

1516
01:23:52,536 --> 01:23:53,496
>> Thank you gentlemen.

1517
01:23:53,496 --> 01:23:59,176
We are going to move on to R5 discussion and possible action

1518
01:23:59,176 --> 01:24:03,702
including adoption of resolution and approval of a Memorandum

1519
01:24:03,702 --> 01:24:06,460
of Understanding between the County of Mendocino

1520
01:24:06,460 --> 01:24:09,587
and the Service Employees International Union Local some

1521
01:24:09,587 --> 01:24:14,987
21 for the term of July 1st, 2026 through June 30th 2029.

1522
01:24:19,989 --> 01:24:21,162
>> Good morning again.

1523
01:24:21,162 --> 01:24:22,920
Sherry Johnson Human resource Director.

1524
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:27,720
It's my pleasure to bring forward SEIU MoU.

1525
01:24:30,282 --> 01:24:33,999
And to highlight some of the enhancements.

1526
01:24:33,999 --> 01:24:38,669
It is a three year term and we had some language clean up.

1527
01:24:38,669 --> 01:24:41,232
We had salary enhancements for three years.

1528
01:24:41,232 --> 01:24:44,944
We have a bronze plan which is a high deductible health plan

1529
01:24:44,944 --> 01:24:47,736
which is employee only at 100%.

1530
01:24:47,736 --> 01:24:50,136
On call premium increase.

1531
01:24:50,576 --> 01:24:54,776
Bilingual pay increase, and an additional holiday

1532
01:24:57,882 --> 01:24:59,295
adds Juneteenth.

1533
01:24:59,295 --> 01:25:02,136
Those are some of the enhancements for the contract

1534
01:25:02,136 --> 01:25:04,856
and I do want to say I want to thank you

1535
01:25:04,856 --> 01:25:08,936
through the negotiating team me Christina Jeff Jackie Traci

1536
01:25:08,936 --> 01:25:13,906
Patrick and also a cash and thank you to this board

1537
01:25:13,906 --> 01:25:17,376
and also the county team that works at the table

1538
01:25:17,376 --> 01:25:23,976
also with the teams so interim CEO Sarah Pierce HR manager

1539
01:25:26,816 --> 01:25:30,529
and we had Luke and Sam from our labor team also.

1540
01:25:30,529 --> 01:25:32,389
So thank you.

1541
01:25:32,389 --> 01:25:35,120
>> Any questions for Miss Johnson?

1542
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,120
Supervisor Haschak.

1543
01:25:38,682 --> 01:25:42,894
>> I would just like to say thank you to SEIU 1021

1544
01:25:42,894 --> 01:25:46,388
for negotiating and their comments earlier today.

1545
01:25:46,388 --> 01:25:49,960
It was really appreciated by the board

1546
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,344
and I think this is just recognition

1547
01:25:52,344 --> 01:25:55,160
that we are in tough times financially

1548
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:59,216
but our greatest assets are the employees.

1549
01:26:04,458 --> 01:26:05,420
>> Supervisor Cline.

1550
01:26:05,420 --> 01:26:08,725
>> I wanted to thank all of the stakeholders involved with all

1551
01:26:08,725 --> 01:26:09,612
the negotiations.

1552
01:26:09,612 --> 01:26:11,328
It's always challenging and my comments

1553
01:26:11,328 --> 01:26:13,956
are about this item in the next few items.

1554
01:26:13,956 --> 01:26:19,956
I appreciate the Cola for fiscal Year 27-28 and 28-29.

1555
01:26:31,208 --> 01:26:35,408
I appreciate the thoughtfulness and looking forward

1556
01:26:37,586 --> 01:26:40,921
to continuing the collaboration moving forward.

1557
01:26:40,921 --> 01:26:42,296
>> Not seeing any more questions.

1558
01:26:42,296 --> 01:26:44,296
Thank you.

1559
01:26:48,856 --> 01:26:54,480
Anyone in the room like to comment on this item?

1560
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:56,480
Madam clerk?

1561
01:26:57,216 --> 01:26:59,310
>> Seeing no comments online.

1562
01:26:59,310 --> 01:26:59,810
>> Okay.

1563
01:26:59,810 --> 01:27:02,283
Bring it back to the board.

1564
01:27:02,283 --> 01:27:04,283
Supervisor Williams.

1565
01:27:05,416 --> 01:27:07,416
>> Move approval.

1566
01:27:08,456 --> 01:27:10,856
>> Second by Supervisor Haschak.

1567
01:27:12,679 --> 01:27:15,376
We will vote by the button.

1568
01:27:15,376 --> 01:27:17,736
>> The motion carries unanimously.

1569
01:27:17,736 --> 01:27:21,936
>> Item R6 discussion and possible action including

1570
01:27:23,596 --> 01:27:26,656
adoption of a resolution and approval of a memorandum

1571
01:27:26,656 --> 01:27:28,776
of understanding between the County of Mendocino

1572
01:27:28,776 --> 01:27:33,735
and the Teamsters Local 856 for the term of July 1st 2025

1573
01:27:33,735 --> 01:27:35,735
through June 30th 2029.

1574
01:27:36,696 --> 01:27:37,976
>> Good morning again.

1575
01:27:37,976 --> 01:27:39,720
Sherry Johnson Human Resource Director.

1576
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:43,616
I am again pleased to bring this MOU and resolution forward

1577
01:27:43,616 --> 01:27:46,118
for the Mendocino County Public Attorney's Group.

1578
01:27:46,118 --> 01:27:49,896
We do have a four year contract as they have been out

1579
01:27:49,896 --> 01:27:53,496
of contract since July 1st of 2025.

1580
01:27:53,641 --> 01:27:59,400
It is very similar terms to the prior with SEIU,

1581
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:04,436
but this is a four year term with salary enhancements Colas

1582
01:28:04,436 --> 01:28:06,936
and health insurance the same and also adding

1583
01:28:06,936 --> 01:28:08,516
the holiday of Juneteenth.

1584
01:28:08,516 --> 01:28:11,464
I would like to thank the negotiating

1585
01:28:11,464 --> 01:28:13,316
team for the public Attorney's group

1586
01:28:13,316 --> 01:28:16,336
which is Frank me and Robert from Teamsters.

1587
01:28:16,336 --> 01:28:18,336
So thank you.

1588
01:28:21,896 --> 01:28:22,396
>> Great.

1589
01:28:22,396 --> 01:28:22,896
Thank you.

1590
01:28:22,896 --> 01:28:24,189
Supervisor Williams.

1591
01:28:24,189 --> 01:28:27,189
>> Do we have public comment?

1592
01:28:29,923 --> 01:28:32,974
>> Anybody in the room like to speak on this item?

1593
01:28:32,974 --> 01:28:34,960
None?

1594
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:35,616
Madam clerk?

1595
01:28:35,616 --> 01:28:38,160
>> Seeing no comments online.

1596
01:28:38,976 --> 01:28:40,976
>> Supervisor Williams.

1597
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:42,496
>> Move approval.

1598
01:28:42,496 --> 01:28:46,696
>> Again, motion made by Supervisor Williams seconded

1599
01:28:47,136 --> 01:28:49,136
by Supervisor Haschak.

1600
01:28:49,956 --> 01:28:52,956
We'll vote by the button.

1601
01:29:05,571 --> 01:29:07,971
>> The motion carries unanimously.

1602
01:29:10,933 --> 01:29:12,156
>> Okay.

1603
01:29:12,156 --> 01:29:13,379
Thank you.

1604
01:29:13,379 --> 01:29:16,856
Item R7 discussion and possible action including adoption

1605
01:29:16,856 --> 01:29:20,456
of a resolution and approval of a memorandum of understanding

1606
01:29:20,456 --> 01:29:24,158
between the County of Mendocino and the Teamsters local 856

1607
01:29:24,158 --> 01:29:28,958
for the term July 1st 2026 through June 30th 2029.

1608
01:29:30,416 --> 01:29:31,600
>> Thank you board.

1609
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:33,322
Sherry Johnson human Resource director.

1610
01:29:33,322 --> 01:29:35,762
I am also pleased to bring forward

1611
01:29:35,762 --> 01:29:39,962
the MOU for the Probation Unit MOU

1612
01:29:40,516 --> 01:29:44,344
and resolution for a three year term with Cole

1613
01:29:44,344 --> 01:29:48,320
is actually seen in three years also with the triggers

1614
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:54,320
as mentioned by supervisor Cline modified to the health insurance

1615
01:29:55,976 --> 01:29:58,342
and with the addition of the Juneteenth holiday

1616
01:29:58,342 --> 01:30:01,136
and I would like to thank the team from Teamsters

1617
01:30:01,136 --> 01:30:05,816
with Chelsea, Nicole and Michael and also Robert Maddox

1618
01:30:05,816 --> 01:30:06,456
so thank you.

1619
01:30:06,456 --> 01:30:09,436
I would also like to say thank you to all the labor negotiating

1620
01:30:09,436 --> 01:30:14,236
teams from SEIU and Teamsters for their professionalism,

1621
01:30:16,925 --> 01:30:18,576
kindness and passion for the county.

1622
01:30:18,576 --> 01:30:21,936
They were good representatives so thank you very much.

1623
01:30:21,936 --> 01:30:23,376
>> Questions from the board?

1624
01:30:23,376 --> 01:30:25,996
Any public comment on this item?

1625
01:30:25,996 --> 01:30:27,996
Madam clerk?

1626
01:30:28,196 --> 01:30:30,196
Any >> Seeing none.

1627
01:30:32,994 --> 01:30:34,456
>> Supervisor Williams?

1628
01:30:34,456 --> 01:30:36,416
>> Move approval.

1629
01:30:36,416 --> 01:30:38,816
>> First by Supervisor Williams.

1630
01:30:39,140 --> 01:30:41,540
Second by Supervisor Haschak.

1631
01:30:44,256 --> 01:30:46,656
>> The motion carries unanimously.

1632
01:30:52,828 --> 01:30:54,316
>> Okay.

1633
01:30:54,316 --> 01:30:59,216
Item R8 notice public hearing discussion and possible action

1634
01:30:59,216 --> 01:31:02,836
including adoption of resolution amending exhibit X Mendocino

1635
01:31:02,836 --> 01:31:07,360
County Master fee schedule effective September 19th 2026

1636
01:31:08,876 --> 01:31:12,756
unless coded policy require longer adopting fee

1637
01:31:12,756 --> 01:31:15,156
modifications for health services.

1638
01:31:16,508 --> 01:31:18,508
It is 10:28.

1639
01:31:20,668 --> 01:31:23,216
We will open public hearing.

1640
01:31:23,216 --> 01:31:25,216
>> Proper notice has been established in all

1641
01:31:25,216 --> 01:31:29,562
correspondence received has been sent to your emails or mailbox.

1642
01:31:29,562 --> 01:31:30,209
>> Thank you.

1643
01:31:30,209 --> 01:31:31,704
The hearing has been opened.

1644
01:31:31,704 --> 01:31:34,536
The clerk has announced any correspondence.

1645
01:31:34,536 --> 01:31:39,840
We will have staff presentation, public input or comment

1646
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:42,200
from staff can present final remarks

1647
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:45,320
on the Board of supervisors can ask questions of staff.

1648
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:47,196
The public hearing will be closed

1649
01:31:47,196 --> 01:31:49,256
on the matter will be sent back to the board

1650
01:31:49,256 --> 01:31:53,466
and a public comment will be accepted after that.

1651
01:31:53,466 --> 01:31:55,466
Yes?

1652
01:32:13,249 --> 01:32:14,416
>> Good morning supervisors.

1653
01:32:14,416 --> 01:32:16,816
Ashley law, administrative analyst

1654
01:32:19,423 --> 01:32:21,823
with the executive office.

1655
01:32:23,126 --> 01:32:26,376
The board requested the administrative health services

1656
01:32:26,376 --> 01:32:28,648
emergency dispatch fee be left intact

1657
01:32:28,648 --> 01:32:30,616
and brought back for further review

1658
01:32:30,616 --> 01:32:33,749
after an original meet and confer with ambulance transport

1659
01:32:33,749 --> 01:32:35,996
providers we are bringing back the proposal

1660
01:32:35,996 --> 01:32:38,400
to eliminate the current flat dispatch fee

1661
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,256
and replace it with a volume based multi-tiered structure set

1662
01:32:41,256 --> 01:32:43,971
in relation to the number of calls for service.

1663
01:32:43,971 --> 01:32:45,816
Doctor Miller Director of Health Services

1664
01:32:45,816 --> 01:32:48,860
is here to provide further information and insight

1665
01:32:48,860 --> 01:32:51,256
to assist the board with making a decision on how

1666
01:32:51,256 --> 01:32:54,256
to appropriately set these fees.

1667
01:32:54,326 --> 01:32:56,909
>> If I may through the chair Before we turn it over to Tammy,

1668
01:32:56,909 --> 01:33:01,872
I would like to say that we did update a modified memo from

1669
01:33:01,872 --> 01:33:02,768
Health Services.

1670
01:33:02,768 --> 01:33:06,536
The last page at the bottom had some incorrect monthly amounts

1671
01:33:06,536 --> 01:33:08,442
so that has been uploaded this morning.

1672
01:33:08,442 --> 01:33:10,442
Thank you.

1673
01:33:11,936 --> 01:33:15,576
>> Good morning Chair Norvell and members of the board.

1674
01:33:15,576 --> 01:33:20,376
Tammy Bartolomé, public health services EMS Program Manager.

1675
01:33:22,736 --> 01:33:28,136
As explained, before you today are the updated EMS

1676
01:33:28,740 --> 01:33:30,126
dispatch fee schedule.

1677
01:33:30,126 --> 01:33:34,556
This item transitions our county from an outdated flat rate

1678
01:33:34,556 --> 01:33:40,556
to a volume based cost recovery framework so this follows

1679
01:33:40,656 --> 01:33:45,736
the direction in April to pause and bring our ambulance

1680
01:33:45,736 --> 01:33:48,136
providers into the conversation.

1681
01:33:48,696 --> 01:33:51,664
Following those extensive meet and confer sessions

1682
01:33:51,664 --> 01:33:54,706
we worked with the providers and came up with a fee schedule

1683
01:33:54,706 --> 01:33:58,832
that we believe is fair and sustainable.

1684
01:33:58,832 --> 01:34:02,521
To support that goal we built two key balancing measures

1685
01:34:02,521 --> 01:34:04,521
into this framework.

1686
01:34:04,726 --> 01:34:06,726
An attrition rate.

1687
01:34:07,128 --> 01:34:13,960
We applied a 30% reduction to raw Cal fire dispatch data

1688
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:17,296
to better reflect dry runs and cancellations.

1689
01:34:17,776 --> 01:34:20,286
After consulting with Cal Fire leadership

1690
01:34:20,286 --> 01:34:23,706
we confirmed this baseline data already

1691
01:34:23,706 --> 01:34:28,506
excludes routine administrative logs like an ambulance checking

1692
01:34:28,608 --> 01:34:31,656
in or checking out of service.

1693
01:34:31,656 --> 01:34:34,386
By filtering out those status changes

1694
01:34:34,386 --> 01:34:38,696
and cutting the remaining workload data by a full 30%

1695
01:34:38,696 --> 01:34:43,136
we built what we believe is a strong baseline safeguard

1696
01:34:43,136 --> 01:34:45,536
to address non-transport calls.

1697
01:34:45,656 --> 01:34:51,304
So I would like to also point out with this 30% attrition

1698
01:34:51,304 --> 01:34:54,904
rate being applied, this takes providers

1699
01:34:56,336 --> 01:35:01,736
such as MedStar from tier four to tier three,

1700
01:35:02,569 --> 01:35:05,420
a cost savings to them.

1701
01:35:05,420 --> 01:35:09,842
We also implemented a three year glide path.

1702
01:35:11,476 --> 01:35:15,760
We structured a transition for providers

1703
01:35:15,216 --> 01:35:17,736
facing these adjustments to give them three years

1704
01:35:17,736 --> 01:35:21,616
to come up with the full cost amount

1705
01:35:21,616 --> 01:35:25,506
and then as outlined in your packet,

1706
01:35:25,506 --> 01:35:29,256
Venice Health has agreed to this structure

1707
01:35:29,256 --> 01:35:31,488
so they will move to their transition fee

1708
01:35:31,488 --> 01:35:35,316
and they will not need the three year glide

1709
01:35:35,316 --> 01:35:37,348
path that we established.

1710
01:35:37,348 --> 01:35:40,709
So we believe this framework is a direct product

1711
01:35:40,709 --> 01:35:45,696
of our meet and confer sessions and staff recommends approval

1712
01:35:45,696 --> 01:35:49,816
of this updated EMS dispatch fee schedule

1713
01:35:49,816 --> 01:35:52,606
to stabilize our regional emergency network

1714
01:35:52,606 --> 01:35:56,206
and I am available for questions.

1715
01:35:56,896 --> 01:35:58,512
>> I'm not seeing any questions.

1716
01:35:58,512 --> 01:35:59,984
Thank you.

1717
01:35:59,984 --> 01:36:02,880
We will open this item up to the public.

1718
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:05,280
Anybody in the room?

1719
01:36:06,536 --> 01:36:08,316
Madam clerk?

1720
01:36:08,316 --> 01:36:10,316
Any online?

1721
01:36:11,349 --> 01:36:13,349
>> Seeing none.

1722
01:36:16,902 --> 01:36:17,402
>> Okay.

1723
01:36:17,402 --> 01:36:20,402
Any final comments from staff?

1724
01:36:23,226 --> 01:36:25,476
>> Just thank you for reconsidering this and we really

1725
01:36:25,476 --> 01:36:29,820
believe we came up with a fair process and we worked really

1726
01:36:29,820 --> 01:36:32,682
hard on this so thank you.

1727
01:36:32,936 --> 01:36:34,936
>> Thank you.

1728
01:36:35,616 --> 01:36:37,816
>> Thank you for the extra effort to meet and confer

1729
01:36:37,816 --> 01:36:38,887
working with providers.

1730
01:36:38,887 --> 01:36:41,816
I will move the recommended action.

1731
01:36:41,816 --> 01:36:46,506
>> If I may through the chair, what the executive office

1732
01:36:46,506 --> 01:36:48,798
brought forward is our standard fee schedule that shows

1733
01:36:48,798 --> 01:36:51,506
the tiers so I think we need to modify the recommended action

1734
01:36:51,506 --> 01:36:55,616
to accept the department's proposed changes to have the Med

1735
01:36:55,616 --> 01:37:00,296
Star tier three be phased in over three years.

1736
01:37:00,296 --> 01:37:02,296
>> So moved.

1737
01:37:03,656 --> 01:37:05,570
>> Okay.

1738
01:37:05,570 --> 01:37:07,570
It is 10:34.

1739
01:37:08,441 --> 01:37:11,441
We close the public hearing.

1740
01:37:11,571 --> 01:37:13,514
Please restate your motion.

1741
01:37:13,514 --> 01:37:16,560
>> If I may through the chair we would need a modified motion

1742
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:19,349
to accept the department's recommendation to phase

1743
01:37:19,349 --> 01:37:25,349
in the tier three from Med Star over three years.

1744
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:34,160
>> Supervisor Williams are you okay with that?

1745
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:37,616
We have a second, Supervisor Haschak.

1746
01:37:42,256 --> 01:37:44,736
>> We received a letter from MedStar and was that letter

1747
01:37:44,736 --> 01:37:46,556
before this was worked out or after?

1748
01:37:46,556 --> 01:37:50,468
Are there still concerns that their viability might

1749
01:37:50,468 --> 01:37:51,227
be at risk?

1750
01:37:51,227 --> 01:37:54,827
What do you know about that?

1751
01:37:55,656 --> 01:37:59,560
>> So they did express concern with the cost of rising gas

1752
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:00,916
another cost increases.

1753
01:38:00,916 --> 01:38:03,256
They are concerned of that and that

1754
01:38:03,256 --> 01:38:06,696
is where the three year phase plan came into effect

1755
01:38:06,696 --> 01:38:09,198
or what we felt was fair.

1756
01:38:09,198 --> 01:38:14,598
But as far as viability, fees are going up

1757
01:38:16,276 --> 01:38:21,760
and costs are going up and I can't

1758
01:38:21,146 --> 01:38:24,146
project what they are long.

1759
01:38:25,576 --> 01:38:28,814
Of course nobody wants their fee to increase.

1760
01:38:28,814 --> 01:38:29,314
>> Right.

1761
01:38:29,314 --> 01:38:34,284
So we've done all we can to present a fair approach?

1762
01:38:34,284 --> 01:38:34,784
>>.

1763
01:38:34,784 --> 01:38:37,656
We met with MedStar specifically several times.

1764
01:38:37,656 --> 01:38:39,656
>> Thank you.

1765
01:38:41,210 --> 01:38:42,496
>> Supervisor Mulheren.

1766
01:38:42,496 --> 01:38:43,610
>> Thank you.

1767
01:38:43,610 --> 01:38:45,992
I just wanted to appreciate the work that staff and MedStar did

1768
01:38:45,992 --> 01:38:47,636
together and understand the concerns

1769
01:38:47,636 --> 01:38:49,928
that they have and it is challenging

1770
01:38:49,928 --> 01:38:52,346
when fees have to increase.

1771
01:38:52,346 --> 01:38:55,566
One of the challenges that the community faces,

1772
01:38:55,566 --> 01:39:00,366
whether that is ambulance services or businesses, people

1773
01:39:01,116 --> 01:39:06,516
that are trying to develop their properties or contractors.

1774
01:39:07,244 --> 01:39:08,869
When fees go up it is a challenge

1775
01:39:08,869 --> 01:39:10,607
and I think that what the county can do

1776
01:39:10,607 --> 01:39:14,996
is continue to have important conversations, come up

1777
01:39:14,996 --> 01:39:17,781
with strategies that hopefully can at least be

1778
01:39:17,781 --> 01:39:19,698
helpful to the folks that have to pay the fees

1779
01:39:19,698 --> 01:39:22,730
and of course to make sure that we are providing the best

1780
01:39:22,730 --> 01:39:29,873
level of services that we can and when we are not, to adjust.

1781
01:39:33,739 --> 01:39:37,229
So I wanted to express that I appreciate that fees going up

1782
01:39:37,229 --> 01:39:41,656
is always a challenge and I appreciate what staff did.

1783
01:39:41,656 --> 01:39:43,589
>> First by Supervisor Williams.

1784
01:39:43,589 --> 01:39:45,989
Seconded by Supervisor Cline.

1785
01:39:47,392 --> 01:39:50,992
We will vote by the button.

1786
01:39:53,799 --> 01:39:55,216
>> The motion carries unanimously.

1787
01:39:55,216 --> 01:39:56,732
>> Thank you very much.

1788
01:39:56,732 --> 01:40:02,732
Moving on to item R9 discussion and possible action including

1789
01:40:02,896 --> 01:40:05,640
approval of the appropriation request in the amount

1790
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:10,136
of $170,000 of one time funds increasing the total Bauer Park

1791
01:40:10,136 --> 01:40:13,736
Restoration and Improvement Project budget from $2,442,440

1792
01:40:14,452 --> 01:40:19,252
to $2,612,440 to fully fund the proposed project improvements

1793
01:40:22,709 --> 01:40:25,966
and authorization for the purchasing agent to issue change

1794
01:40:25,966 --> 01:40:29,596
orders to the contractor to complete the project pursuant

1795
01:40:29,596 --> 01:40:32,596
to Public Contract Code section 20142.

1796
01:40:36,249 --> 01:40:36,916
>> Good morning.

1797
01:40:36,916 --> 01:40:38,216
My name is Doug Anderson.

1798
01:40:38,216 --> 01:40:43,160
I'm the capital Projects manager for the County.

1799
01:40:47,296 --> 01:40:53,896
This item is -- we have negotiated a final phase two

1800
01:40:54,496 --> 01:40:58,960
contract with the contractor Mars construction,

1801
01:41:02,766 --> 01:41:06,416
Mars engineering who has been working on Bower Park since

1802
01:41:06,416 --> 01:41:07,720
October.

1803
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:12,296
They have made good progress given the weather conditions

1804
01:41:12,296 --> 01:41:15,296
over the winter or now.

1805
01:41:16,856 --> 01:41:20,856
We are now geared up to proceed with phase two.

1806
01:41:20,856 --> 01:41:23,461
The issues we encountered in getting

1807
01:41:23,461 --> 01:41:27,661
to this final agreement for phase two,

1808
01:41:28,848 --> 01:41:31,256
given the limited budget resources

1809
01:41:31,256 --> 01:41:35,854
we had through the grant, meant that several features

1810
01:41:35,854 --> 01:41:42,316
of the project design are not included in the phase two

1811
01:41:42,316 --> 01:41:42,968
agreement.

1812
01:41:42,968 --> 01:41:47,316
We were pretty much aware of this when we went into this

1813
01:41:47,316 --> 01:41:52,716
agreement because our budget -- our contract proposal exceeded

1814
01:41:53,488 --> 01:41:56,536
the budget for the project even at the beginning.

1815
01:41:56,536 --> 01:42:00,640
So what we've done now is clarified the scope that is not

1816
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:03,736
included in the current phase two,

1817
01:42:03,736 --> 01:42:07,789
and we are here before you today to try

1818
01:42:07,789 --> 01:42:10,560
to understand if there is any interest in helping

1819
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:13,456
to fund the balance of those features

1820
01:42:13,456 --> 01:42:17,160
so that we can include some or all of them

1821
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:18,762
in the final contract that we have

1822
01:42:18,762 --> 01:42:21,162
with the current contractor.

1823
01:42:22,186 --> 01:42:26,456
Briefly, the items that are not included in the current scope

1824
01:42:26,456 --> 01:42:32,456
is the electrical and lighting that we had some security

1825
01:42:34,456 --> 01:42:36,456
lighting under the entrances.

1826
01:42:36,456 --> 01:42:40,256
The landscaping and irrigation work that was enhanced

1827
01:42:40,256 --> 01:42:42,904
landscaping around the front entrance

1828
01:42:42,904 --> 01:42:46,196
areas of the building of the site

1829
01:42:46,196 --> 01:42:49,796
and then also some important repairs

1830
01:42:50,672 --> 01:42:53,420
to the fencing in the park.

1831
01:42:53,420 --> 01:42:56,182
We do have limited fencing around the ball

1832
01:42:56,182 --> 01:43:00,960
fields and the tennis court that need to be repaired so those can

1833
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:04,704
be used as intended but there is quite a bit of fencing repairs

1834
01:43:04,704 --> 01:43:05,829
that is not included.

1835
01:43:05,829 --> 01:43:12,282
I just want to make sure that you understand that we have been

1836
01:43:12,282 --> 01:43:15,516
able to include in the current phase two is all

1837
01:43:15,516 --> 01:43:20,696
of the recreational facilities that were planned in this

1838
01:43:20,696 --> 01:43:24,296
project , so baseball, tennis, basketball court

1839
01:43:32,797 --> 01:43:36,952
in the recreational playground equipment is all funded

1840
01:43:36,952 --> 01:43:39,564
and included in the existing phase two that we have

1841
01:43:39,564 --> 01:43:46,146
so at this point we are just looking for your interest

1842
01:43:46,146 --> 01:43:50,656
in supporting the final phases of the project that we were

1843
01:43:50,656 --> 01:43:54,856
hoping to get done with this grant.

1844
01:43:55,256 --> 01:43:57,256
>> Thank you.

1845
01:43:57,346 --> 01:43:59,346
Supervisor Cline.

1846
01:43:59,936 --> 01:44:01,248
>> Question for staff.

1847
01:44:01,248 --> 01:44:04,496
What will happen if this phase is not funded?

1848
01:44:04,496 --> 01:44:08,376
>> Through the chair, the only thing we are not going to be

1849
01:44:08,376 --> 01:44:11,160
able to complete if we don't get the additional funding is

1850
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:15,216
the lighting, fencing repairs, landscaping and irrigation

1851
01:44:19,951 --> 01:44:20,493
improvements.

1852
01:44:20,493 --> 01:44:23,829
So we have pared it down to those things and those

1853
01:44:23,829 --> 01:44:27,896
are things that in our mind we believe can be deferred

1854
01:44:27,896 --> 01:44:30,296
to future opportunities permit

1855
01:44:31,496 --> 01:44:33,496
>> Thank you.

1856
01:44:34,842 --> 01:44:37,384
>> Not seeing any more questions we are going to go to public

1857
01:44:37,384 --> 01:44:37,884
comment.

1858
01:44:37,884 --> 01:44:43,884
Anybody in the room like to speak on this item?

1859
01:44:47,711 --> 01:44:50,440
>> Good morning chairman and members of the Board

1860
01:44:50,440 --> 01:44:53,149
of Supervisors my name is Kevin Evans.

1861
01:44:53,149 --> 01:44:56,792
I'm the chair of the Walhalla Municipal Advisory Council.

1862
01:44:56,792 --> 01:45:00,392
I support and our board supports $170,000.

1863
01:45:01,856 --> 01:45:05,751
We would like to see our park completed as intended.

1864
01:45:05,751 --> 01:45:10,368
I just have a few questions that I hope can be answered.

1865
01:45:10,368 --> 01:45:12,736
Staff just mentioned what amenities

1866
01:45:12,736 --> 01:45:16,296
are included in phase two that they are planning on funding

1867
01:45:16,296 --> 01:45:18,696
and we support that.

1868
01:45:18,802 --> 01:45:24,802
My other question is does the 170,000 if approved fund county

1869
01:45:25,224 --> 01:45:29,456
and employee expenses and contract services or is all

1870
01:45:29,456 --> 01:45:33,400
of the money going to materials and time?

1871
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:39,536
The other question I have, and I did not see it and maybe it is

1872
01:45:39,536 --> 01:45:42,360
somewhere in the line item -- what is the board's plan

1873
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:45,709
to maintain the park once it is completed?

1874
01:45:45,709 --> 01:45:47,511
We look forward to your answers.

1875
01:45:47,511 --> 01:45:49,136
We would love to share that information

1876
01:45:49,136 --> 01:45:52,360
back with our residents in Walhalla and the surrounding

1877
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:52,536
areas.

1878
01:45:52,536 --> 01:45:54,936
Thank you very much.

1879
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:55,766
>> Thank you.

1880
01:45:55,766 --> 01:45:58,766
Anyone else in the room?

1881
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:12,960
>> Good morning chair Norvell and fellow supervisors my name

1882
01:46:16,216 --> 01:46:18,656
is Dave Buck and I serve as chairman of the Recreation

1883
01:46:18,656 --> 01:46:19,706
and Parks District.

1884
01:46:19,706 --> 01:46:24,506
I encourage you to approve the park restoration.

1885
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:32,182
I would like to remind you of the interest in the long term

1886
01:46:32,182 --> 01:46:34,656
success of this crucial South Coast the infrastructure.

1887
01:46:34,656 --> 01:46:38,856
Our park has provided affordable recreation opportunities

1888
01:46:39,126 --> 01:46:41,720
for decades to people of all ages

1889
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:43,416
and economic circumstances on the South Coast

1890
01:46:43,416 --> 01:46:46,416
and in the Bay County Community of Walhalla

1891
01:46:46,416 --> 01:46:49,344
providing public access and a broad range

1892
01:46:49,344 --> 01:46:50,386
of recreational activity.

1893
01:46:50,386 --> 01:46:54,306
There is nothing like this park within a 90 minute drive

1894
01:46:54,306 --> 01:46:57,136
for coastal residents or visitors.

1895
01:46:57,136 --> 01:47:02,536
MCRPD supported this sport when you adopted the resolution

1896
01:47:03,636 --> 01:47:08,796
in pursuit of state funding to renovate and improve Bower Park.

1897
01:47:08,796 --> 01:47:13,896
In June 2024 the Board of Directors adopted a resolution

1898
01:47:13,896 --> 01:47:18,456
to transfer almost $178,000 in one time state per capita grant

1899
01:47:18,456 --> 01:47:21,821
funds to help the county implement the complete project

1900
01:47:21,821 --> 01:47:24,968
scope including items that you just heard about today.

1901
01:47:24,968 --> 01:47:29,768
This board accepted the transfer by adopting resolution 24110

1902
01:47:30,888 --> 01:47:32,888
on July 9th, 2024.

1903
01:47:35,301 --> 01:47:39,196
While this previous contribution to the project budget is

1904
01:47:39,196 --> 01:47:41,640
strangely absent from the project report

1905
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,676
for today's proposal we trust that the county and state staff

1906
01:47:44,676 --> 01:47:48,876
have accounted accurately for the $170,000 budget shortfall.

1907
01:47:49,216 --> 01:47:52,816
Acknowledging the FC board's proactive partnership

1908
01:47:53,716 --> 01:47:59,116
and in compliance with this board certification on January

1909
01:48:00,585 --> 01:48:04,785
24th, 2023 please approve the full funding request.

1910
01:48:05,152 --> 01:48:08,960
The MCRPD has expressed interest to members

1911
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:10,816
of your board and the County Executive Office staff

1912
01:48:10,816 --> 01:48:13,376
in creating a partnership to operate and maintain

1913
01:48:13,376 --> 01:48:17,816
our part in perpetuity for the district the extent of funding

1914
01:48:17,816 --> 01:48:21,296
available to this partnership is dependent on accurate

1915
01:48:21,296 --> 01:48:24,156
accounting of annual property tax allocations

1916
01:48:24,156 --> 01:48:27,189
based on actual data used to build property owners

1917
01:48:27,189 --> 01:48:28,549
within district boundaries.

1918
01:48:28,549 --> 01:48:31,560
All district requests and accounting for the data

1919
01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:32,776
have been refused.

1920
01:48:32,776 --> 01:48:37,576
A partnership with MCRPD would also be contingent

1921
01:48:38,336 --> 01:48:42,536
on demonstrated commitment to operate our infrastructure

1922
01:48:42,716 --> 01:48:46,232
Promethean certain funding for the park maintenance

1923
01:48:46,232 --> 01:48:49,189
in the fiscal year budget you just adopted is confusing

1924
01:48:49,189 --> 01:48:52,360
and concerning particularly in consideration

1925
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:55,636
of your certification on January 24th, 2023.

1926
01:48:59,491 --> 01:49:04,891
MCRPD solution of this project and asks that you

1927
01:49:06,516 --> 01:49:08,880
keep your long term promise.

1928
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:13,680
Help MCRPD partner with the county to competently

1929
01:49:13,686 --> 01:49:16,522
operate and maintain Bower Park for everyone forever.

1930
01:49:16,522 --> 01:49:19,149
Thank you for receiving my comment.

1931
01:49:19,149 --> 01:49:22,149
>> Thank you Primack supervisor Williams.

1932
01:49:22,196 --> 01:49:28,356
>> For the last speaker, I don't know that the full board has

1933
01:49:28,356 --> 01:49:30,456
a copy of the refusal.

1934
01:49:30,456 --> 01:49:34,656
Would you be able to share that?

1935
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:36,542
>> Of course.

1936
01:49:36,542 --> 01:49:40,142
To whom shall I send it?

1937
01:49:43,577 --> 01:49:48,977
>> The BOS email at BOS at Mendocino county.gov.

1938
01:49:52,866 --> 01:49:55,408
>> For the speakers there's a question about the maintenance.

1939
01:49:55,408 --> 01:49:58,768
I kind of went through those numbers at the history of it

1940
01:49:58,768 --> 01:50:01,889
very quickly though can you lay it out again?

1941
01:50:01,889 --> 01:50:05,968
What you think that the county's obligation is

1942
01:50:05,968 --> 01:50:11,968
for the maintenance of the park versus the recreation district .

1943
01:50:13,933 --> 01:50:15,516
>> Thank you for asking that question.

1944
01:50:15,516 --> 01:50:18,238
The county a number of years back

1945
01:50:18,238 --> 01:50:21,702
did a study of all the parks within the portfolio

1946
01:50:21,702 --> 01:50:23,536
and came up with a cost estimate.

1947
01:50:23,536 --> 01:50:26,939
At the time I think it was about 5 or 6 years now behind us

1948
01:50:26,939 --> 01:50:31,160
of about $75,000 a year to maintain Bower Park and that

1949
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:32,886
again was a snapshot at that time.

1950
01:50:32,886 --> 01:50:36,760
As you all are probably painfully aware,

1951
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:38,476
costs have escalated astronomically.

1952
01:50:39,482 --> 01:50:42,160
Everything is much more so to keep our park

1953
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:44,296
although it may not be as expensive in the early years

1954
01:50:44,296 --> 01:50:46,312
given the new work that has been done ultimately

1955
01:50:46,312 --> 01:50:49,666
to keep our park it probably is reasonable to estimate

1956
01:50:49,666 --> 01:50:53,761
that there is something in the ballpark of 100 grand per year.

1957
01:50:53,761 --> 01:50:57,168
The district has approached the county multiple times

1958
01:50:57,168 --> 01:50:58,912
at different levels and you've heard

1959
01:50:58,912 --> 01:51:02,776
me speak about this informally in these settings.

1960
01:51:02,776 --> 01:51:06,376
To partner on maintaining Bower Park

1961
01:51:06,826 --> 01:51:12,226
the district has access to a different cost structure,

1962
01:51:13,213 --> 01:51:15,406
potential economies of scale that

1963
01:51:15,406 --> 01:51:17,826
would improve the efficiency of taxpayer resources

1964
01:51:17,826 --> 01:51:22,260
to maintain that park and operate it.

1965
01:51:22,677 --> 01:51:24,609
However, the district has learned

1966
01:51:24,609 --> 01:51:26,276
through a number of challenging mistakes

1967
01:51:26,276 --> 01:51:29,256
in the past to be very cautious of Overcommitting

1968
01:51:29,256 --> 01:51:30,962
its financially.

1969
01:51:30,962 --> 01:51:34,236
Particularly when it comes to the commitment

1970
01:51:34,236 --> 01:51:37,269
of structural funding and that structural funding

1971
01:51:37,269 --> 01:51:41,136
is allocations derived from property tax contributions.

1972
01:51:41,136 --> 01:51:42,776
The district has attempted to come

1973
01:51:42,776 --> 01:51:49,836
to grips with those numbers in a much more accurate and objective

1974
01:51:49,836 --> 01:51:53,600
way, most recently through the preparation

1975
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:55,360
of a municipal Service review.

1976
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:59,366
This issue came up as a question and at that time

1977
01:51:59,366 --> 01:52:04,166
was also rebuffed, allegedly because the question involves

1978
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:07,344
the scope of work that is beyond the traditional scope of effort

1979
01:52:07,344 --> 01:52:09,546
for a municipal service review.

1980
01:52:09,546 --> 01:52:12,816
The question remains unanswered about what the district could

1981
01:52:12,816 --> 01:52:15,246
afford to contribute and how that partnership could

1982
01:52:15,246 --> 01:52:16,176
be structured.

1983
01:52:16,176 --> 01:52:18,688
The district continues to be interested

1984
01:52:18,688 --> 01:52:23,560
and sees Bower Park as perhaps the best prospect for supporting

1985
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:26,579
South Coast Recreationists yet we need to know how much we can

1986
01:52:26,579 --> 01:52:30,280
afford so that we avoid making mistakes that have been made

1987
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:32,906
in the past of overcommitment that have subjected

1988
01:52:32,906 --> 01:52:35,336
the district to serious jeopardy.

1989
01:52:35,336 --> 01:52:39,376
I don't have a number for you specifically.

1990
01:52:39,376 --> 01:52:43,195
I'm very interested in finding that number and with your help,

1991
01:52:43,195 --> 01:52:47,940
we will find it and find a way to make sure

1992
01:52:47,940 --> 01:52:49,696
that Bower Park stays up and works well for everybody.

1993
01:52:49,696 --> 01:52:51,336
Thank you.

1994
01:52:51,336 --> 01:52:53,336
>> Thank you.

1995
01:52:54,336 --> 01:52:58,856
>> Anybody else in the room like to speak on this item?

1996
01:52:58,856 --> 01:53:01,856
Madam clerk, and the online?

1997
01:53:04,789 --> 01:53:06,256
>> Seeing none.

1998
01:53:06,256 --> 01:53:08,256
>> Supervisor Williams.

1999
01:53:08,682 --> 01:53:11,634
>> I want to move the recommended action for all

2000
01:53:11,634 --> 01:53:14,460
of the reasons stated and also note that I think it's important

2001
01:53:14,460 --> 01:53:17,210
to show the state that the county has good follow through.

2002
01:53:17,210 --> 01:53:20,202
This took five years and some of that is on us.

2003
01:53:20,202 --> 01:53:22,696
The execution was slow and cost inflated

2004
01:53:22,696 --> 01:53:23,809
during that time period.

2005
01:53:23,809 --> 01:53:26,136
I think the next time we go to ask for money

2006
01:53:26,136 --> 01:53:27,602
it would be helpful to show that we

2007
01:53:27,602 --> 01:53:29,356
were able to fully follow through

2008
01:53:29,356 --> 01:53:31,296
on the original commitment.

2009
01:53:31,296 --> 01:53:33,294
>> Thank you.

2010
01:53:33,294 --> 01:53:35,162
Supervisor Cline.

2011
01:53:35,162 --> 01:53:38,176
>> I wanted to quickly note this funding is being proposed

2012
01:53:38,176 --> 01:53:41,156
to come from carryover funding so it is a one time cost and I

2013
01:53:41,156 --> 01:53:47,156
feel that is appropriate for the scope of the work.

2014
01:53:47,637 --> 01:53:51,720
>> I believe we have a first by Supervisor Williams.

2015
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:52,882
Supervisor Haschak.

2016
01:53:52,882 --> 01:53:55,490
>> I guess a question for Supervisor Williams.

2017
01:53:55,490 --> 01:53:57,512
Do you have a long term plan for after we

2018
01:53:57,512 --> 01:53:59,562
get these capital improvement projects done then

2019
01:53:59,562 --> 01:54:00,976
how is it going to be maintained?

2020
01:54:00,976 --> 01:54:05,776
And then we have our law enforcement expenses

2021
01:54:05,896 --> 01:54:10,696
trending at a steeper slope than our revenue.

2022
01:54:11,111 --> 01:54:12,266
Not sustainable.

2023
01:54:12,266 --> 01:54:14,900
The county museum is not sustainable.

2024
01:54:14,900 --> 01:54:18,290
Just about every service we look at provided by the county

2025
01:54:18,290 --> 01:54:19,949
is not financially sustainable.

2026
01:54:19,949 --> 01:54:21,960
We have a revenue shortfall projected

2027
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:25,538
as far as we can see so I don't think we have a plan here

2028
01:54:25,538 --> 01:54:27,371
and it is certainly not the highest priority

2029
01:54:27,371 --> 01:54:29,560
but I think we have a lot of taxpayers

2030
01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:33,146
far from the county seat that aren't

2031
01:54:33,146 --> 01:54:34,656
getting a lot of services.

2032
01:54:34,656 --> 01:54:37,160
This is one of the few things that they get

2033
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:40,696
and I think it is more than just recreation.

2034
01:54:40,696 --> 01:54:44,295
There is not a lot of public lands available to children

2035
01:54:44,295 --> 01:54:47,164
in that part of the county.

2036
01:54:47,164 --> 01:54:50,480
So I think the immediate is we need to follow through

2037
01:54:50,480 --> 01:54:51,473
on this grant.

2038
01:54:51,473 --> 01:54:52,890
The long term how do we sustain it

2039
01:54:52,890 --> 01:54:55,256
I think it is a general sustainability question

2040
01:54:55,256 --> 01:54:57,656
for all county services.

2041
01:54:58,136 --> 01:55:02,156
>> We have a first by Supervisor Williams.

2042
01:55:02,156 --> 01:55:03,776
I will second.

2043
01:55:03,776 --> 01:55:05,236
Any more discussion?

2044
01:55:05,236 --> 01:55:08,836
We will vote by the button.

2045
01:55:14,377 --> 01:55:15,936
>> The motion carries unanimously.

2046
01:55:15,936 --> 01:55:17,936
>> Thank you.

2047
01:55:18,970 --> 01:55:20,970
It is 10:52.

2048
01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:28,604
We are going to take a 15 minute break and come back.

2049
02:12:08,600 --> 02:12:10,214
>> A presentation from Behavioral Health and Recovery

2050
02:12:10,214 --> 02:12:14,414
Services regarding the behavioral Health Services Act

2051
02:12:14,414 --> 02:12:19,214
provide direction to staff providing direction to staff

2052
02:12:19,814 --> 02:12:23,964
regarding county electronic providers and an agreement with

2053
02:12:23,964 --> 02:12:26,734
Anchor Health Management Incorporated medical support

2054
02:12:26,734 --> 02:12:28,800
services in the amount of 2,200,000.

2055
02:12:28,800 --> 02:12:33,600
Mendocino Coast Hospitality Center in the amount of 640,000.

2056
02:12:34,640 --> 02:12:37,514
Mendocino County Youth Project in the amount of 750,000.

2057
02:12:37,514 --> 02:12:41,534
Redwood Community Services in the amount of $10,664,056

2058
02:12:41,534 --> 02:12:46,334
and Tapestry Family Services in the amount of $4,952,300

2059
02:12:48,514 --> 02:12:53,774
to provide special mental health services to eligible Medi-Cal

2060
02:12:53,774 --> 02:12:56,644
beneficiaries of Mendocino County for a total combined

2061
02:12:56,644 --> 02:13:00,844
of $19,206,356 effective July 1st 2026 through June 30th 2027.

2062
02:13:13,274 --> 02:13:13,836
>> Thank you.

2063
02:13:13,836 --> 02:13:16,334
We are here to talk about behavioral health

2064
02:13:16,334 --> 02:13:20,267
services for the county and some of our contracted providers

2065
02:13:20,267 --> 02:13:21,966
are larger contracted providers.

2066
02:13:21,966 --> 02:13:24,950
First I want to do a quick breakdown of how

2067
02:13:24,950 --> 02:13:26,594
the special mental health system works

2068
02:13:26,594 --> 02:13:28,110
in the state of California.

2069
02:13:28,110 --> 02:13:33,144
As you know the county contracts with the Department

2070
02:13:33,144 --> 02:13:34,760
of Health Care Services.

2071
02:13:34,760 --> 02:13:38,686
Mental Health Services are a carve out from your main health

2072
02:13:38,686 --> 02:13:41,142
care plans and they are contracted through each county

2073
02:13:41,142 --> 02:13:42,883
to provide mental health services.

2074
02:13:42,883 --> 02:13:45,547
Also there is a couple of cities but most of this

2075
02:13:45,547 --> 02:13:46,494
is county driven.

2076
02:13:46,494 --> 02:13:49,734
The state many years ago contracted out

2077
02:13:49,734 --> 02:13:51,933
special mental health services to the counties

2078
02:13:51,933 --> 02:13:56,974
to provide those services with the agreement of also providing

2079
02:13:56,974 --> 02:13:58,974
1991 and 2011 realignment dollars.

2080
02:14:00,933 --> 02:14:03,174
That is where we fit in.

2081
02:14:03,174 --> 02:14:05,260
And it's important that we are what

2082
02:14:05,260 --> 02:14:08,693
we call know it used to be more called a mental health plan.

2083
02:14:08,693 --> 02:14:10,454
We are now called a behavioral health plan

2084
02:14:10,454 --> 02:14:13,700
as this data has really started to merge

2085
02:14:13,700 --> 02:14:15,843
mental health and substance use into the same plan.

2086
02:14:15,843 --> 02:14:18,561
We have a substance use health plan for many years

2087
02:14:18,561 --> 02:14:20,394
but now they're trying to look at that model

2088
02:14:20,394 --> 02:14:22,267
as a behavioral health model starting

2089
02:14:22,267 --> 02:14:24,513
to see more of that integration even

2090
02:14:24,513 --> 02:14:27,304
with our contracts with the state starting

2091
02:14:27,304 --> 02:14:30,340
to integrate with both mental health and substance

2092
02:14:30,340 --> 02:14:31,674
use information.

2093
02:14:31,674 --> 02:14:33,980
As you know we are a carved out system

2094
02:14:33,980 --> 02:14:39,574
and so we are funded through Medi-Cal or Medicaid as the feds

2095
02:14:39,574 --> 02:14:41,414
would call it.

2096
02:14:41,414 --> 02:14:44,667
Medi-Cal in California and the way our services are funded

2097
02:14:44,667 --> 02:14:47,853
is that we build Medi-Cal for a service.

2098
02:14:47,853 --> 02:14:50,606
It is based on a reimbursement.

2099
02:14:50,606 --> 02:14:56,183
We like to say it's like a 60/40 reimbursement permit the federal

2100
02:14:56,183 --> 02:14:59,853
reimbursement is about 60% give or take in the county

2101
02:14:59,853 --> 02:15:03,454
reimbursement through alignment dollars is a 40% reimbursement.

2102
02:15:03,454 --> 02:15:07,114
Generally we can get some 100% but on a basis

2103
02:15:07,114 --> 02:15:08,327
it's really kind of a 6040.

2104
02:15:08,327 --> 02:15:10,675
When you look across our whole system of care

2105
02:15:10,675 --> 02:15:13,389
there has to be a match dollar for us to build services

2106
02:15:13,389 --> 02:15:16,273
so we are always leveraging those match dollars

2107
02:15:16,273 --> 02:15:18,794
to the Medi-Cal billable dollars we

2108
02:15:18,794 --> 02:15:21,794
receive through federal financial participation.

2109
02:15:22,204 --> 02:15:29,500
We often get asked if we have -- how much the county general fund

2110
02:15:29,500 --> 02:15:31,773
puts into behavioral health and this is behavioral health

2111
02:15:31,773 --> 02:15:37,773
as a whole talking about mental health and substance use.

2112
02:15:38,314 --> 02:15:41,750
There is not a maintenance of effort requirement of the county

2113
02:15:41,750 --> 02:15:45,294
to give any general funds into the substance abuse side

2114
02:15:45,294 --> 02:15:47,998
of the House but on the mental health side of the House there

2115
02:15:47,998 --> 02:15:51,161
is a general maintenance of effort that was set by the state

2116
02:15:51,161 --> 02:15:53,494
many years ago to be able to receive realignment dollars

2117
02:15:53,494 --> 02:15:58,910
and draw down Medi-Cal funding and that is set at $28,840

2118
02:15:58,910 --> 02:16:04,254
so that is the only general fund that goes into the mental health

2119
02:16:04,254 --> 02:16:07,634
system to provide services throughout Mendocino County

2120
02:16:07,634 --> 02:16:09,947
through the special Mental Health System.

2121
02:16:09,947 --> 02:16:14,191
As I noted, we get federal financial participation

2122
02:16:14,191 --> 02:16:16,938
through Medicaid at the federal level

2123
02:16:16,938 --> 02:16:18,910
and that comes through the state and then

2124
02:16:18,910 --> 02:16:21,585
we have that contract with the state to reimburse for services.

2125
02:16:21,585 --> 02:16:25,785
We are also funded through 91 realignment, 2011 realignment

2126
02:16:28,708 --> 02:16:31,251
and the Behavioral Health Services Act.

2127
02:16:31,251 --> 02:16:35,214
We will touch on a little bit changes with prop one.

2128
02:16:35,214 --> 02:16:37,645
Those changes took up July 1st for us and we are walking

2129
02:16:37,645 --> 02:16:41,294
into a new era when we look at mental health versus Behavioral

2130
02:16:41,294 --> 02:16:42,871
Health Services Act.

2131
02:16:42,871 --> 02:16:48,770
As noted, we are here with our main five contractors today.

2132
02:16:48,770 --> 02:16:50,682
We do have other contractors that we contract with

2133
02:16:50,682 --> 02:16:54,634
and we are still in the process of finalizing these contracts.

2134
02:16:54,634 --> 02:16:58,124
The contracts in front of you are preliminary contracts.

2135
02:16:58,124 --> 02:17:02,750
We are still working on the Behavioral Health Services Act

2136
02:17:02,750 --> 02:17:06,614
piece of those contracts which means it could come back

2137
02:17:06,614 --> 02:17:08,534
mid-year or sometime in the fall as we work

2138
02:17:08,534 --> 02:17:10,190
on the behavioral Services Act.

2139
02:17:10,190 --> 02:17:13,274
As we did an RFP for the Behavioral Services Act

2140
02:17:13,274 --> 02:17:14,694
we are still finalizing that.

2141
02:17:14,694 --> 02:17:17,240
The state put into requirements that we

2142
02:17:17,240 --> 02:17:18,794
have evidence based practices that we

2143
02:17:18,794 --> 02:17:21,294
have to meet this year as part of Behavioral Health Services

2144
02:17:21,294 --> 02:17:23,750
Act so we are really working on making sure

2145
02:17:23,750 --> 02:17:26,809
that behavioral Services Act evidence based practices

2146
02:17:26,809 --> 02:17:31,940
are the priority of where we are spending our FSP dollars

2147
02:17:31,940 --> 02:17:33,902
so we are still fine tuning that and working with providers

2148
02:17:33,902 --> 02:17:36,831
on what does that look like to make sure we are meeting all

2149
02:17:36,831 --> 02:17:38,951
of our mandates for Behavioral Services Act

2150
02:17:38,951 --> 02:17:41,118
so there could be some changes to these contracts

2151
02:17:41,118 --> 02:17:43,700
in the next couple of months.

2152
02:17:43,700 --> 02:17:45,674
We also have requests from additional contractors asking

2153
02:17:45,674 --> 02:17:47,974
to come into Mendocino County and we

2154
02:17:47,974 --> 02:17:50,724
are working on those to provide services in Mendocino County.

2155
02:17:50,724 --> 02:17:52,687
With the current contracts in front of you

2156
02:17:52,687 --> 02:17:57,966
we have an estimated 3845 clients that will be served.

2157
02:17:57,966 --> 02:18:01,150
We usually go over that amount but that is an estimate we throw

2158
02:18:01,150 --> 02:18:03,334
out based on current contracts with a total cost

2159
02:18:03,334 --> 02:18:06,934
for beneficiary at almost $5,000 per minute we know that

2160
02:18:06,934 --> 02:18:09,794
vacillates between the beneficiaries based on whether

2161
02:18:09,794 --> 02:18:13,974
or not a beneficiary ends up being conserved or having

2162
02:18:13,974 --> 02:18:16,974
multiple hospitalizations versus just having generalized

2163
02:18:16,974 --> 02:18:18,974
outpatient services.

2164
02:18:19,240 --> 02:18:22,844
We included in here our consumer perception results.

2165
02:18:22,844 --> 02:18:25,747
We've been trying to include these so you can see.

2166
02:18:25,747 --> 02:18:29,774
This is completed by the client and family members.

2167
02:18:29,774 --> 02:18:33,814
It is broken down into family responses youth responses

2168
02:18:33,814 --> 02:18:35,900
adult responses and older adults.

2169
02:18:35,900 --> 02:18:41,300
It looks at the client rating their services --

2170
02:18:41,826 --> 02:18:44,114
how they feel their services were for the year.

2171
02:18:44,114 --> 02:18:46,784
This is a multi-page so there is multiple surveys that

2172
02:18:46,784 --> 02:18:47,438
were completed.

2173
02:18:47,438 --> 02:18:50,214
I only hold a couple for you.

2174
02:18:50,214 --> 02:18:52,924
This is program overall outcome satisfaction.

2175
02:18:52,924 --> 02:18:55,254
You can see where the county rates

2176
02:18:55,254 --> 02:18:57,540
compared to the state rating.

2177
02:18:57,540 --> 02:19:03,654
I included in there 2024-25 how adults feel about their service

2178
02:19:14,614 --> 02:19:18,994
compared to how we feel about other counties.

2179
02:19:18,994 --> 02:19:20,777
This is analyzed by UCLA.

2180
02:19:20,777 --> 02:19:22,482
This is not done by the county.

2181
02:19:22,482 --> 02:19:25,777
It is done by UCLA for the whole state of California.

2182
02:19:25,777 --> 02:19:28,280
Clients can complete this survey either in paper form

2183
02:19:28,280 --> 02:19:30,454
and mail it in or they can do it electronically

2184
02:19:30,454 --> 02:19:32,650
and a lot of clients are starting

2185
02:19:32,650 --> 02:19:34,300
to move to the electronic version

2186
02:19:34,300 --> 02:19:36,160
but I would say it's about half and half

2187
02:19:36,160 --> 02:19:37,304
that we saw this last year.

2188
02:19:37,304 --> 02:19:39,834
These are the results of how many have been

2189
02:19:39,834 --> 02:19:41,920
arrested within the 12 months.

2190
02:19:41,920 --> 02:19:45,234
Also as you will see here it is 2024 25

2191
02:19:45,234 --> 02:19:48,920
it looks at youth and adults and also compares us to the state

2192
02:19:48,920 --> 02:19:50,530
and how we are comparing to the state

2193
02:19:50,530 --> 02:19:52,958
when you look at our county to the state.

2194
02:19:52,958 --> 02:19:56,446
This next slide looks at how many

2195
02:19:56,446 --> 02:20:00,404
people reported that they had an encounter with law enforcement.

2196
02:20:00,404 --> 02:20:02,294
Of course this is self-reported.

2197
02:20:02,294 --> 02:20:05,249
Both of them are self-reported and it includes in there

2198
02:20:05,249 --> 02:20:08,574
as I said 2020 425 and the county

2199
02:20:08,574 --> 02:20:11,294
reimburses the state on those metrics.

2200
02:20:11,294 --> 02:20:16,820
We also require that all of our providers

2201
02:20:16,820 --> 02:20:17,910
do a lot of data reporting.

2202
02:20:17,910 --> 02:20:21,684
We provide data on a pretty regular basis monthly and then

2203
02:20:21,684 --> 02:20:24,840
quarterly , biannually and annually.

2204
02:20:28,318 --> 02:20:30,460
We have a quality assurance provider

2205
02:20:30,460 --> 02:20:35,940
that meets to see if they are in compliance or out of compliance,

2206
02:20:35,940 --> 02:20:40,334
what our timeliness looks like and looking at hospitalizations.

2207
02:20:40,334 --> 02:20:43,174
This gives you a day to look at some of the additional data

2208
02:20:43,174 --> 02:20:46,562
we pull that we look at to see how clients are doing.

2209
02:20:46,562 --> 02:20:49,854
This gives you a report out of how those clients are doing

2210
02:20:49,854 --> 02:20:54,654
looking at fiscal year 22 23 through fiscal year 24-25.

2211
02:20:58,726 --> 02:21:01,700
It looks at the number of people who

2212
02:21:01,700 --> 02:21:02,584
entered the service this year.

2213
02:21:02,584 --> 02:21:06,784
Those who utilized crisis service this year,

2214
02:21:07,466 --> 02:21:09,622
those who utilized crisis service last year

2215
02:21:09,622 --> 02:21:11,957
but didn't need to utilize it this year

2216
02:21:11,957 --> 02:21:13,707
and the number of people in the system who

2217
02:21:13,707 --> 02:21:15,358
did not utilize crisis service.

2218
02:21:15,358 --> 02:21:18,540
The number of people who needed to be conserved.

2219
02:21:18,540 --> 02:21:21,926
Those who got off conservator and stayed off

2220
02:21:21,926 --> 02:21:24,614
and the number of people that were

2221
02:21:24,614 --> 02:21:30,830
housed in the system this year compared to the last three

2222
02:21:30,830 --> 02:21:31,330
years.

2223
02:21:31,330 --> 02:21:35,398
We also are working -- one of the new requirements with

2224
02:21:35,398 --> 02:21:38,998
the state of California is HEDIS.

2225
02:21:42,886 --> 02:21:48,286
They roll it out to the behavioral health plans.

2226
02:21:48,990 --> 02:21:54,390
They are looking at HEDIS measures and client care.

2227
02:21:56,660 --> 02:21:59,684
These four are for the Metro health plan.

2228
02:21:59,684 --> 02:22:02,352
The substance use plan has a couple

2229
02:22:02,352 --> 02:22:04,752
of other HEDIS requirements.

2230
02:22:04,839 --> 02:22:08,354
This is what they are judging on looking at fines and fees.

2231
02:22:08,354 --> 02:22:10,822
They have a requirement that would be at 50%

2232
02:22:10,822 --> 02:22:15,239
or above in all of our HEDIS measures.

2233
02:22:15,239 --> 02:22:18,545
I want to draw out that they rated us

2234
02:22:18,545 --> 02:22:21,614
on this last year and then where we fell in those rates.

2235
02:22:21,614 --> 02:22:23,764
We were not allowed to release the state rates

2236
02:22:23,764 --> 02:22:26,662
so I did do a mean state compliance rate so

2237
02:22:26,662 --> 02:22:30,831
that they had a low and a high and so what I was able to do

2238
02:22:30,831 --> 02:22:33,534
is I could show our rates and I could show the mean state

2239
02:22:33,534 --> 02:22:38,457
rates to see how did we look at from our HEDIS measures

2240
02:22:38,457 --> 02:22:41,502
compared to the state's overall mean compliance

2241
02:22:41,502 --> 02:22:44,214
rate at the state level of four counties are at.

2242
02:22:44,214 --> 02:22:46,140
That doesn't mean that there were not

2243
02:22:46,140 --> 02:22:47,134
counties that were lower.

2244
02:22:47,134 --> 02:22:49,750
There were and that doesn't mean that there were not

2245
02:22:49,750 --> 02:22:51,862
counties that were higher then that mean rate.

2246
02:22:51,862 --> 02:22:56,246
This gives you a look at the HEDIS measures.

2247
02:22:56,246 --> 02:22:58,956
They don't have 2025 yet released

2248
02:22:58,956 --> 02:23:01,920
but it gives you a look at 2024 compared to 2023.

2249
02:23:01,920 --> 02:23:05,280
Last year you guys were able to see 2023.

2250
02:23:05,280 --> 02:23:08,645
These are all counties where you can see where Mendocino is

2251
02:23:08,645 --> 02:23:11,104
and where they are looking at quality performance measures

2252
02:23:11,104 --> 02:23:13,320
from the state to see how the counties are doing.

2253
02:23:13,320 --> 02:23:18,540
You will see that Mendocino moved up closer to the top

2254
02:23:18,540 --> 02:23:22,254
there when you are looking at23-24.

2255
02:23:25,894 --> 02:23:28,294
I also included 22-23.

2256
02:23:36,262 --> 02:23:41,294
The state is in the process of completing a behavioral health

2257
02:23:41,294 --> 02:23:41,794
dashboard.

2258
02:23:41,794 --> 02:23:43,937
They just released the first version of it

2259
02:23:43,937 --> 02:23:46,134
last week where we can see how work comparing

2260
02:23:46,134 --> 02:23:47,654
to this native California.

2261
02:23:47,654 --> 02:23:51,400
It does allow you to look at individual counties

2262
02:23:51,400 --> 02:23:53,795
but it does allow us to compare to where we are at compared

2263
02:23:53,795 --> 02:23:54,920
to the state of California.

2264
02:23:54,920 --> 02:23:59,836
A lot of it is looking at timeliness data which we haven't

2265
02:23:59,836 --> 02:24:02,200
I think over the next couple of years

2266
02:24:02,200 --> 02:24:04,294
we are going to really see those data metrics build out

2267
02:24:04,294 --> 02:24:07,314
so we are able to bring some of that data to probably

2268
02:24:07,314 --> 02:24:09,911
next year a little bit different than we have this year.

2269
02:24:09,911 --> 02:24:12,214
We get asked a lot about outcome measures

2270
02:24:12,214 --> 02:24:19,414
and I know we talked a lot about ANSA over the years.

2271
02:24:19,454 --> 02:24:21,474
I wanted to bring this today as there

2272
02:24:21,474 --> 02:24:23,169
was a question asked of me of can

2273
02:24:23,169 --> 02:24:24,914
we tell how clients are doing?

2274
02:24:24,914 --> 02:24:26,910
There are a lot of different measures

2275
02:24:26,910 --> 02:24:28,882
we can look at about how clients are doing.

2276
02:24:28,882 --> 02:24:31,694
The state is looking at which outcome measures they

2277
02:24:31,694 --> 02:24:35,574
want to potentially make a requirement for the adults

2278
02:24:35,574 --> 02:24:37,394
in the children's system.

2279
02:24:37,394 --> 02:24:43,334
We are required to use the cans 50 which is moving the cans IP

2280
02:24:43,334 --> 02:24:46,158
and that is what the state looks at for kind of our outcome

2281
02:24:46,158 --> 02:24:49,834
measures so I added this slide in so that you guys can

2282
02:24:49,834 --> 02:24:52,250
see what that looks like from like I

2283
02:24:52,250 --> 02:24:53,454
asked for a random sample.

2284
02:24:53,454 --> 02:24:55,467
I did not ask for the best clients.

2285
02:24:55,467 --> 02:25:00,244
I said if we pulled nine clients from different providers what

2286
02:25:00,244 --> 02:25:05,234
would that show us and you can see it shows our oldest cans.

2287
02:25:05,234 --> 02:25:07,364
You can see the oldest two.

2288
02:25:07,364 --> 02:25:08,200
The most recent.

2289
02:25:08,200 --> 02:25:10,734
You can see the change from did they improve

2290
02:25:10,734 --> 02:25:13,174
and the percentage of improvement.

2291
02:25:13,174 --> 02:25:16,278
We also are looking at are we seeing improvement

2292
02:25:16,278 --> 02:25:19,278
in their cans and ANSA.

2293
02:25:22,274 --> 02:25:26,400
We are always looking at are we able to maintain people and keep

2294
02:25:26,400 --> 02:25:27,934
them out of crisis.

2295
02:25:27,934 --> 02:25:32,434
And that is one thing you will see with the HEDIS measures.

2296
02:25:32,434 --> 02:25:37,754
Our clients compliant and are they having follow up care.

2297
02:25:37,754 --> 02:25:40,454
I just wanted to show that this is

2298
02:25:40,454 --> 02:25:46,490
additional metrics we do look at to see our clients improving.

2299
02:25:46,490 --> 02:25:48,900
We didn't cherry pick.

2300
02:25:48,900 --> 02:25:51,602
You will see that some of these did have a crisis need

2301
02:25:51,602 --> 02:25:53,956
and some did not and we are looking at that

2302
02:25:53,956 --> 02:25:56,540
as we look at our whole system of care

2303
02:25:56,540 --> 02:25:57,688
and I'm going to hand it over to Karen

2304
02:25:57,688 --> 02:26:00,574
to talk a little bit about behavioral health from

2305
02:26:00,574 --> 02:26:05,623
and then we have one >> On that last slide is

2306
02:26:05,623 --> 02:26:07,814
it possible to give us an indication of how

2307
02:26:07,814 --> 02:26:10,534
we are doing on average relative to state

2308
02:26:10,534 --> 02:26:12,934
or some other comparator?

2309
02:26:13,540 --> 02:26:15,540
>> For the ANSA?

2310
02:26:20,494 --> 02:26:22,150
Currently there isn't.

2311
02:26:22,150 --> 02:26:25,647
I do believe that if the state comes up and says yes

2312
02:26:25,647 --> 02:26:27,987
this will be the outcome measurement we

2313
02:26:27,987 --> 02:26:31,200
use I think the state will probably put in our dashboard

2314
02:26:31,200 --> 02:26:33,294
those outcomes permit currently the state doesn't

2315
02:26:33,294 --> 02:26:35,774
ask for this information and they are still

2316
02:26:35,774 --> 02:26:38,134
vacillating between three different outcome measurement

2317
02:26:38,134 --> 02:26:41,494
tools they are looking at so not today unfortunately.

2318
02:26:41,494 --> 02:26:43,954
>> So how should the board interpret this?

2319
02:26:43,954 --> 02:26:45,574
Are we winning?

2320
02:26:45,574 --> 02:26:46,534
Are we losing?

2321
02:26:46,534 --> 02:26:49,774
What do these numbers mean in your eyes?

2322
02:26:49,774 --> 02:26:53,334
>> When I look at our HEDIS measures compared

2323
02:26:53,334 --> 02:26:59,334
to our timeliness to access, our percentage rates of how many

2324
02:26:59,334 --> 02:27:04,134
people are getting service, our percentage rate for people

2325
02:27:04,134 --> 02:27:07,587
getting into service was like 5.38% and I looked at some other

2326
02:27:07,587 --> 02:27:11,754
counties and it was 2% so I feel like that doesn't mean we are

2327
02:27:11,754 --> 02:27:12,254
perfect.

2328
02:27:12,254 --> 02:27:14,126
We always have room for improvement.

2329
02:27:14,126 --> 02:27:14,990
We always will.

2330
02:27:14,990 --> 02:27:17,704
We will never have enough money in mental health.

2331
02:27:17,704 --> 02:27:20,687
There's always going to be barriers at different levels.

2332
02:27:20,687 --> 02:27:26,687
I feel like when you look at our HEDIS measures,

2333
02:27:27,288 --> 02:27:29,257
you look at our timeliness to access and look

2334
02:27:29,257 --> 02:27:31,174
at our ability for people to get into services

2335
02:27:31,174 --> 02:27:32,367
we are really up there.

2336
02:27:32,367 --> 02:27:34,200
I think we are doing pretty well.

2337
02:27:34,200 --> 02:27:37,294
That is not to say we don't have areas for improvement.

2338
02:27:37,294 --> 02:27:39,294
We always will.

2339
02:27:44,925 --> 02:27:47,925
>> Karen Lovato Deputy Health services.

2340
02:27:49,940 --> 02:27:51,894
As far as highlights it wasn't initiated

2341
02:27:51,894 --> 02:27:56,940
by proposition 1 in 2024 which created new regulations,

2342
02:27:56,674 --> 02:28:00,274
primarily expanding the mental health services

2343
02:28:00,344 --> 02:28:03,294
health to the behavioral health Services Act

2344
02:28:03,294 --> 02:28:04,959
including substance abuse conditions.

2345
02:28:04,959 --> 02:28:07,164
It changed the funding organization

2346
02:28:07,164 --> 02:28:10,712
from the prior components to three primary components

2347
02:28:10,712 --> 02:28:14,594
with 30% of the funding going for behavioral health

2348
02:28:14,594 --> 02:28:17,594
housing, 35% for full service partnerships

2349
02:28:18,294 --> 02:28:22,940
and 35% for behavioral health services and supports.

2350
02:28:22,940 --> 02:28:24,540
New regulations prioritize funding

2351
02:28:24,540 --> 02:28:28,744
for the most severe and chronic conditions or prevention

2352
02:28:28,744 --> 02:28:32,240
and they require use of funding or reserves of funding

2353
02:28:32,240 --> 02:28:34,400
for evidence based practice where appropriate so

2354
02:28:34,400 --> 02:28:37,544
the 30% Housing intervention is for individuals

2355
02:28:37,544 --> 02:28:39,764
with serious mental illnesses or substance

2356
02:28:39,764 --> 02:28:42,434
use plus chronic homelessness with 50% required

2357
02:28:42,434 --> 02:28:46,540
to be focused on street level encampment based homelessness

2358
02:28:46,540 --> 02:28:48,789
and a maximum of 25% to be able to be

2359
02:28:48,789 --> 02:28:51,140
used for capital facility's development.

2360
02:28:51,140 --> 02:28:53,224
Full service partnerships is similar

2361
02:28:53,224 --> 02:28:57,880
to the prior organization and it is 35% for behavioral health

2362
02:28:57,880 --> 02:29:01,118
treatment and supports with whatever it takes model,

2363
02:29:01,118 --> 02:29:05,294
really trying to help the individual overcome barriers

2364
02:29:05,294 --> 02:29:09,438
but there are requirements for appropriate for partners

2365
02:29:09,438 --> 02:29:13,674
to be triaged with and treated with evidence based models.

2366
02:29:13,674 --> 02:29:16,829
The behavioral health services and supports component

2367
02:29:16,829 --> 02:29:20,634
with 35% remaining is for all the remaining services

2368
02:29:20,634 --> 02:29:23,538
that have previously been funded under MH

2369
02:29:23,538 --> 02:29:29,366
with 51% of the component required to be spent on services

2370
02:29:29,366 --> 02:29:32,966
for individuals 25 and under with prioritization

2371
02:29:33,174 --> 02:29:36,774
of early psychosis intervention with transitioning

2372
02:29:38,270 --> 02:29:40,254
and experiencing early psychosis.

2373
02:29:40,254 --> 02:29:43,304
The remaining percent is for early intervention programs

2374
02:29:43,304 --> 02:29:46,904
that are not evidence based practice

2375
02:29:50,374 --> 02:29:53,974
outreach and any other qualified expense.

2376
02:30:20,743 --> 02:30:22,994
>> (Indistinct) confusion about what is happening with

2377
02:30:22,994 --> 02:30:25,964
the county electronic health record and what is going on with

2378
02:30:25,964 --> 02:30:28,844
providers going into avatar and there has been different

2379
02:30:28,844 --> 02:30:32,940
directions given at times about everyone going into the county

2380
02:30:32,940 --> 02:30:35,940
system or could we create interoperability so we decided

2381
02:30:35,940 --> 02:30:38,999
to bring this back to the board for a final decision on how you

2382
02:30:38,999 --> 02:30:44,540
guys would like to see what's going forward with that.

2383
02:30:44,540 --> 02:30:47,654
We have electronic health record avatar.

2384
02:30:48,112 --> 02:30:52,507
We've had it since about 2006 and we've obviously

2385
02:30:52,507 --> 02:30:55,394
had different providers using different systems and one

2386
02:30:55,394 --> 02:31:02,470
of the things that has changed for us is that the state has now

2387
02:31:02,470 --> 02:31:05,774
the dash I guess it's always been required through CMS

2388
02:31:05,774 --> 02:31:10,154
M for Medicaid Medicare but not really pushing back on the state

2389
02:31:10,154 --> 02:31:12,688
to make sure behavioral health plans are also really making

2390
02:31:12,688 --> 02:31:16,942
sure that we had a P data accessible to clients.

2391
02:31:16,942 --> 02:31:20,414
So that does create a little bit of a change for us

2392
02:31:20,414 --> 02:31:23,594
of having to have a patient portal in a sense

2393
02:31:23,594 --> 02:31:26,680
and making sure API data is available

2394
02:31:26,680 --> 02:31:29,884
not only to the clients but also to the state

2395
02:31:29,884 --> 02:31:31,509
and there are some requirements that we

2396
02:31:31,509 --> 02:31:36,909
have to do that within 24 hours, get it posted.

2397
02:31:37,296 --> 02:31:41,894
We've been working on looking at what is happening within avatar.

2398
02:31:41,894 --> 02:31:45,676
We did create a second system so we have a route one

2399
02:31:45,676 --> 02:31:49,184
system and a route two system so that the providers could have

2400
02:31:49,184 --> 02:31:51,480
access into avatar without going into the county's

2401
02:31:51,480 --> 02:31:54,520
main system because of confidentiality and the fact

2402
02:31:54,520 --> 02:31:58,220
that we have rolled substance use and public health

2403
02:31:58,220 --> 02:31:59,287
into the route one system.

2404
02:31:59,287 --> 02:32:02,634
We needed to have that firewall so created a second route

2405
02:32:02,634 --> 02:32:03,134
system.

2406
02:32:03,134 --> 02:32:06,466
Currently we have a hospitality center

2407
02:32:06,466 --> 02:32:09,760
in Mendocino County youth projects are in avatar

2408
02:32:09,760 --> 02:32:12,184
and our other three providers are currently

2409
02:32:12,184 --> 02:32:16,894
within their system asking for a hybrid model.

2410
02:32:16,894 --> 02:32:20,324
We are rolling out the organized delivery system

2411
02:32:20,324 --> 02:32:21,874
for drug Medi-Cal.

2412
02:32:21,874 --> 02:32:23,986
Obviously there are some changes with partnerships

2413
02:32:23,986 --> 02:32:26,894
so we are working with those new providers coming in

2414
02:32:26,894 --> 02:32:30,227
and most of them are willing to go into avatar

2415
02:32:30,227 --> 02:32:35,654
and not require a hybrid model so that will help a little bit.

2416
02:32:35,654 --> 02:32:39,182
In your Powerpoint presentation we kind of

2417
02:32:39,182 --> 02:32:41,594
said these are our mandates of what

2418
02:32:41,594 --> 02:32:43,534
we have to be able to provide.

2419
02:32:43,534 --> 02:32:47,127
I know there has been some thought of the county has

2420
02:32:47,127 --> 02:32:48,894
to provide it but the law actually

2421
02:32:48,894 --> 02:32:52,140
says if the county subcontracts we are still

2422
02:32:52,140 --> 02:32:54,516
required to provide the data that our subcontractors are

2423
02:32:54,516 --> 02:32:55,160
doing.

2424
02:32:55,160 --> 02:32:57,264
So even if we are not doing the service

2425
02:32:57,264 --> 02:32:59,478
we have to provide the data for our subcontractors.

2426
02:32:59,478 --> 02:33:01,594
It has to be posted.

2427
02:33:01,594 --> 02:33:03,478
It has to meet the timeliness standards

2428
02:33:03,478 --> 02:33:10,678
so we do have to have a patient access API, provider access

2429
02:33:10,847 --> 02:33:14,447
API, prior authorization API, interoperability standards

2430
02:33:18,654 --> 02:33:21,774
privacy and security public reporting and governance.

2431
02:33:21,774 --> 02:33:26,112
These are where the state is getting into on our reporting

2432
02:33:26,112 --> 02:33:26,654
requirements.

2433
02:33:26,654 --> 02:33:28,639
We are aware there is no guarantee

2434
02:33:28,639 --> 02:33:30,140
these won't change tomorrow so we

2435
02:33:30,140 --> 02:33:31,327
know what we have to do today.

2436
02:33:31,327 --> 02:33:32,994
We know what the state and federal level

2437
02:33:32,994 --> 02:33:36,486
they could continue to put new requirements on that could make

2438
02:33:36,486 --> 02:33:38,694
us have to expand what we are doing today and it does

2439
02:33:38,694 --> 02:33:42,253
seem like every day we have something new we have to do.

2440
02:33:42,253 --> 02:33:45,443
I put in there what the county responsibilities are so

2441
02:33:45,443 --> 02:33:48,814
that you can see that to make an informed decision

2442
02:33:48,814 --> 02:33:52,374
and what the contracted providers must do.

2443
02:33:52,374 --> 02:33:56,107
We did a detail of what are the three systems right like if they

2444
02:33:56,107 --> 02:33:58,860
just use their own system and did not

2445
02:33:58,860 --> 02:34:01,814
have interoperability what would be the impact for the county?

2446
02:34:01,814 --> 02:34:03,840
If everybody was an avatar what would

2447
02:34:03,840 --> 02:34:06,494
be the impact for the county and then a hybrid model.

2448
02:34:06,494 --> 02:34:08,124
What does that look like?

2449
02:34:08,124 --> 02:34:12,174
Obviously in all transparency we know everyone being in avatar

2450
02:34:12,174 --> 02:34:13,807
is the easiest model.

2451
02:34:13,807 --> 02:34:18,407
We also know that that may not be the easiest

2452
02:34:18,407 --> 02:34:20,787
model for all of our providers.

2453
02:34:20,787 --> 02:34:26,120
So we get a quick breakdown of kind of that our recommendation.

2454
02:34:26,120 --> 02:34:29,540
The easiest model is everybody goes into avatar.

2455
02:34:29,540 --> 02:34:31,994
We also don't want to not support them.

2456
02:34:31,994 --> 02:34:35,518
We know that it can be difficult for our providers

2457
02:34:35,518 --> 02:34:40,754
to go through that system so in front of you is two options.

2458
02:34:40,754 --> 02:34:43,800
Requiring that everyone goes if they

2459
02:34:43,800 --> 02:34:46,774
want to contract with the county for behavioral health services

2460
02:34:46,774 --> 02:34:48,714
that they use the county avatar system.

2461
02:34:48,714 --> 02:34:52,324
We are currently working with the Sheriff's office

2462
02:34:52,324 --> 02:34:56,173
on Tech Care, their health record system

2463
02:34:56,173 --> 02:34:58,800
to create full interoperability with avatars

2464
02:34:58,800 --> 02:35:01,809
so we have a county record in-house

2465
02:35:01,809 --> 02:35:05,409
should there ever be a change.

2466
02:35:07,231 --> 02:35:10,540
Or, looking at a hybrid model.

2467
02:35:10,540 --> 02:35:12,838
We've kind of outlined what are the impacts of a hybrid model

2468
02:35:12,838 --> 02:35:14,147
and what it would require.

2469
02:35:14,147 --> 02:35:16,598
We do know that a hybrid model will probably

2470
02:35:16,598 --> 02:35:18,631
be more work on the providers but also

2471
02:35:18,631 --> 02:35:22,962
we do feel that we will have more work on the county also

2472
02:35:22,962 --> 02:35:26,574
and so a little bit of possibly 1 or 2 more staff

2473
02:35:26,574 --> 02:35:28,624
needed to meet those needs.

2474
02:35:28,624 --> 02:35:31,540
In that we also are making recommendations.

2475
02:35:31,540 --> 02:35:35,854
If the board decides on a hybrid model,

2476
02:35:36,180 --> 02:35:38,222
these are the recommendations from the department

2477
02:35:38,222 --> 02:35:40,614
to move forward with hybrid model.

2478
02:35:40,614 --> 02:35:47,372
That is really to make sure that there is an interface, that we

2479
02:35:47,372 --> 02:35:48,747
limit the number of hybrid models

2480
02:35:48,747 --> 02:35:50,766
so we don't have 20 different providers

2481
02:35:50,766 --> 02:35:53,814
in 20 different systems needing to create interoperability

2482
02:35:53,814 --> 02:36:00,414
because we have to build it every time between the two

2483
02:36:00,784 --> 02:36:01,284
systems.

2484
02:36:01,284 --> 02:36:03,686
There is a requirement that it is

2485
02:36:03,686 --> 02:36:05,894
done within a year from the contract.

2486
02:36:05,894 --> 02:36:10,694
Interoperability has to be built in avatar needs

2487
02:36:11,254 --> 02:36:14,854
to be accomplished within a year and then obviously the cost

2488
02:36:14,854 --> 02:36:17,440
needs to be double the cost of everything

2489
02:36:17,440 --> 02:36:20,447
needs to be held by the provider asking for interoperability.

2490
02:36:20,447 --> 02:36:22,464
Those were the main things.

2491
02:36:22,464 --> 02:36:24,776
You can see the other requirements in there

2492
02:36:24,776 --> 02:36:28,270
and that we definitely have to make sure everything is posting

2493
02:36:28,270 --> 02:36:30,114
in there able to stay in compliance with state

2494
02:36:30,114 --> 02:36:32,794
and federal regulations so that we are not out of compliance.

2495
02:36:32,794 --> 02:36:38,794
The state really is moving to sanctions, fines and fees.

2496
02:36:39,190 --> 02:36:41,614
Sanctions we might be able to get the funds back

2497
02:36:41,614 --> 02:36:42,904
when we get into compliance.

2498
02:36:42,904 --> 02:36:45,550
If they do fines or fees we lose the funding.

2499
02:36:45,550 --> 02:36:47,179
That funding is not going to come back

2500
02:36:47,179 --> 02:36:48,762
to us so those are things to make sure

2501
02:36:48,762 --> 02:36:51,370
that every time we are out of compliance the state

2502
02:36:51,370 --> 02:36:53,534
is moving to really starting to do sanctions fines

2503
02:36:53,534 --> 02:36:56,854
and fees on counties and that will impact our budgets if we

2504
02:36:56,854 --> 02:37:00,582
are not staying in compliance on the behavioral health side.

2505
02:37:00,582 --> 02:37:04,782
We are happy to answer any questions.

2506
02:37:07,631 --> 02:37:10,354
>> Just real quick, could you help the public and perhaps

2507
02:37:10,354 --> 02:37:13,174
the board understand a little bit more about what specialty

2508
02:37:13,174 --> 02:37:14,326
mental health is?

2509
02:37:14,326 --> 02:37:17,926
And then after that, describe what

2510
02:37:18,766 --> 02:37:23,514
you would see as a successful outcome for somebody

2511
02:37:23,514 --> 02:37:25,914
in specialty mental health.

2512
02:37:25,960 --> 02:37:27,127
>> Sure.

2513
02:37:27,127 --> 02:37:29,437
Specialty mental health is different.

2514
02:37:29,437 --> 02:37:33,294
So there is what you hear across the state is

2515
02:37:33,294 --> 02:37:37,600
mild, moderate and severe and we are the severe provider.

2516
02:37:37,600 --> 02:37:40,831
I always say if you were going to see your primary care

2517
02:37:40,831 --> 02:37:42,954
and they said you had a heart condition

2518
02:37:42,954 --> 02:37:47,524
and they referred you to your cardiologist, that's us.

2519
02:37:47,524 --> 02:37:50,859
We the cardiologist of mental health in a sense

2520
02:37:50,859 --> 02:37:52,976
that we are not serving them mild to moderate.

2521
02:37:52,976 --> 02:37:55,911
If you could go to your primary care you are not coming to us.

2522
02:37:55,911 --> 02:37:58,494
If you need a specialist level care like a cardiologist

2523
02:37:58,494 --> 02:37:59,694
that is us.

2524
02:37:59,694 --> 02:38:01,507
So we are the top tier.

2525
02:38:01,507 --> 02:38:04,382
We are serving most of the individuals in the county

2526
02:38:04,382 --> 02:38:06,547
and that is our mandate through the state.

2527
02:38:06,547 --> 02:38:08,214
That is what carved out meant.

2528
02:38:08,214 --> 02:38:11,134
When they carved us out they give the managed care

2529
02:38:11,134 --> 02:38:12,934
plans to mild to moderate.

2530
02:38:12,934 --> 02:38:15,200
They gave the county the severe clientele and so most

2531
02:38:15,200 --> 02:38:21,200
of our clients are not going to -- you know,

2532
02:38:22,440 --> 02:38:25,374
their mental illness isn't going away.

2533
02:38:25,374 --> 02:38:27,974
They're going to live with it for the rest of their lives.

2534
02:38:27,974 --> 02:38:30,436
When we look at mental health success for our client

2535
02:38:30,436 --> 02:38:32,894
is we are not expecting that our clients are probably going

2536
02:38:32,894 --> 02:38:34,896
to be able to go get a job.

2537
02:38:34,896 --> 02:38:36,954
That is probably not realistic but if they

2538
02:38:36,954 --> 02:38:40,960
can keep their housing, they can stay out of crisis

2539
02:38:40,960 --> 02:38:43,754
and don't need to be conserved, they

2540
02:38:43,754 --> 02:38:47,478
are medication compliant and functioning at their baseline

2541
02:38:47,478 --> 02:38:49,838
that is success to us and baseline for every client

2542
02:38:49,838 --> 02:38:50,686
is different.

2543
02:38:50,686 --> 02:38:52,674
There is not a set baseline.

2544
02:38:52,674 --> 02:38:54,174
Every client's baseline is different

2545
02:38:54,174 --> 02:38:55,716
so we are really working to make sure

2546
02:38:55,716 --> 02:38:57,934
we get the client to their best baseline

2547
02:38:57,934 --> 02:39:00,700
and that they maintain at that baseline

2548
02:39:00,700 --> 02:39:02,590
and that might mean that they have to have high level services

2549
02:39:02,590 --> 02:39:03,758
the rest of their life.

2550
02:39:03,758 --> 02:39:09,158
That might mean that sometimes for a severe client,

2551
02:39:10,664 --> 02:39:13,376
once they're at baseline they are able to step down and become

2552
02:39:13,376 --> 02:39:15,334
more of a moderate level client but that is not

2553
02:39:15,334 --> 02:39:17,340
the majority of our clients.

2554
02:39:17,340 --> 02:39:19,396
The majority of our clients are going to stay with us

2555
02:39:19,396 --> 02:39:22,454
and need some form of probable case management therapy rehab

2556
02:39:22,454 --> 02:39:25,374
and medication support the rest of their lives.

2557
02:39:25,374 --> 02:39:26,334
>> Thank you for that.

2558
02:39:26,334 --> 02:39:28,214
Supervisor Williams.

2559
02:39:28,214 --> 02:39:30,894
>> Overall I think the contracts are a lot better.

2560
02:39:30,894 --> 02:39:31,959
Appreciate the effort.

2561
02:39:31,959 --> 02:39:34,920
They are all a lot longer for one.

2562
02:39:34,920 --> 02:39:35,800
Took me a while to get through them but I

2563
02:39:35,800 --> 02:39:37,834
don't have any questions there.

2564
02:39:37,834 --> 02:39:42,294
I would prefer we have one standard for record keeping.

2565
02:39:42,294 --> 02:39:46,730
I think this idea of a hybrid system,

2566
02:39:46,730 --> 02:39:48,642
I don't think we will get it done in time.

2567
02:39:48,642 --> 02:39:51,369
I think at some point we will find there is inconsistencies.

2568
02:39:51,369 --> 02:39:54,794
There will be finger pointing about which integration layer

2569
02:39:54,794 --> 02:39:56,773
and which vendor is it has a problem

2570
02:39:56,773 --> 02:39:58,690
and it will be the county that gets sanctioned

2571
02:39:58,690 --> 02:40:00,922
and you see the direction that mandates are trending.

2572
02:40:00,922 --> 02:40:03,934
At some point that model may not allow us to meet mandates

2573
02:40:03,934 --> 02:40:06,514
so I would think it's smarter from the start

2574
02:40:06,514 --> 02:40:09,790
to standardize on one system maintained by the county.

2575
02:40:09,790 --> 02:40:12,640
Does the director have any issue with that?

2576
02:40:12,640 --> 02:40:18,614
>> We support -- we will support whatever the board decides.

2577
02:40:18,614 --> 02:40:22,527
We also know that for our providers it's a lot of changes

2578
02:40:22,527 --> 02:40:26,510
so we are also trying to support the providers.

2579
02:40:26,510 --> 02:40:33,110
I've -- like I said having everyone in avatar is easier

2580
02:40:33,569 --> 02:40:37,242
but it might not be the easiest model for all of our providers.

2581
02:40:37,242 --> 02:40:39,534
>> I understand there's a little bit of pain and change

2582
02:40:39,534 --> 02:40:43,724
but I'm suggesting this one time change is a long term gain

2583
02:40:43,724 --> 02:40:47,640
compared to the alternative of having hybrid systems supported.

2584
02:40:47,640 --> 02:40:49,427
Is there any way for us to support our providers

2585
02:40:49,427 --> 02:40:50,454
making that transition?

2586
02:40:50,454 --> 02:40:52,814
Are there any resources to help them

2587
02:40:52,814 --> 02:40:55,214
use our standardized system?

2588
02:40:55,734 --> 02:40:58,614
>> I know there is two of them here and they may have comments.

2589
02:40:58,614 --> 02:41:03,422
I know that some of the concerns that I think we can support them

2590
02:41:03,422 --> 02:41:05,707
with the technology needs and try to be that support.

2591
02:41:05,707 --> 02:41:08,147
I know that some of the concerns they have expressed

2592
02:41:08,147 --> 02:41:10,480
and so I want to make sure they are heard

2593
02:41:10,480 --> 02:41:13,684
is that they also don't just serve Mendocino County

2594
02:41:13,684 --> 02:41:16,267
clients so if they come into the county system,

2595
02:41:16,267 --> 02:41:19,877
how do they put their non Mendocino County

2596
02:41:19,877 --> 02:41:21,294
clients into the county's database

2597
02:41:21,294 --> 02:41:23,790
because then we have access to client data

2598
02:41:23,790 --> 02:41:26,964
we shouldn't have so that has been the hedge.

2599
02:41:26,964 --> 02:41:30,334
They could get their own avatar system.

2600
02:41:30,334 --> 02:41:36,934
Avatar is not cheap and so coming into the county system

2601
02:41:37,105 --> 02:41:38,605
(Indistinct) really reduces the cost

2602
02:41:38,605 --> 02:41:40,272
but it means you're in the county system

2603
02:41:40,272 --> 02:41:42,760
so I know that has been one of their struggles.

2604
02:41:42,760 --> 02:41:44,334
>> Thank you.

2605
02:41:44,334 --> 02:41:48,120
>> Can you talk a little bit about the extra work your staff

2606
02:41:48,120 --> 02:41:52,338
has to do through the hybrid model for people who are not

2607
02:41:52,338 --> 02:41:54,414
in the avatar system?

2608
02:41:54,414 --> 02:41:55,102
>> Yes.

2609
02:41:55,102 --> 02:41:57,262
Is our electronic health record manager

2610
02:41:57,262 --> 02:41:59,970
and he is our expert so he can probably

2611
02:41:59,970 --> 02:42:02,970
give more detail on that.

2612
02:42:03,734 --> 02:42:06,134
>> Tony Loomis, health services.

2613
02:42:08,118 --> 02:42:12,356
So we would expect a lot of data validation

2614
02:42:12,356 --> 02:42:15,654
that we would have to take a look at as far as

2615
02:42:15,654 --> 02:42:22,254
if they were in the system and we would have to do that

2616
02:42:22,254 --> 02:42:24,934
on the QA side and the manager side

2617
02:42:24,934 --> 02:42:27,534
if that answers your question.

2618
02:42:27,534 --> 02:42:32,974
>> I guess so it's -- if they're not in the avatar system,

2619
02:42:32,974 --> 02:42:36,674
they prevent a paper file to you.

2620
02:42:36,674 --> 02:42:37,934
Is that right?

2621
02:42:37,934 --> 02:42:40,534
Then your staff enters it into the system?

2622
02:42:40,534 --> 02:42:42,958
>> If they are not in the avatar system,

2623
02:42:42,958 --> 02:42:48,958
we would start a model where they would administer some

2624
02:42:48,990 --> 02:42:56,590
of that data and chart within our system and get that data

2625
02:42:56,590 --> 02:42:57,854
to us in that real time.

2626
02:42:57,854 --> 02:43:00,694
That is what the hybrid model is proposing

2627
02:43:00,694 --> 02:43:03,440
is that they would enter the system

2628
02:43:03,440 --> 02:43:08,444
and do the administrative work with their administrative staff.

2629
02:43:08,854 --> 02:43:13,540
>> So no extra work for your staff?

2630
02:43:14,556 --> 02:43:16,980
>> Again it would just be validation.

2631
02:43:16,980 --> 02:43:17,585
They would have to take a look at it

2632
02:43:17,585 --> 02:43:19,335
and make sure that it is entered correctly

2633
02:43:19,335 --> 02:43:22,827
and then do the data reporting.

2634
02:43:22,827 --> 02:43:24,754
>> Thank you.

2635
02:43:24,754 --> 02:43:26,718
>> I'm not seeing any more questions.

2636
02:43:26,718 --> 02:43:30,142
We will go to public comment.

2637
02:43:30,142 --> 02:43:32,542
Staff, you are finished?

2638
02:43:34,540 --> 02:43:35,974
Is that correct?

2639
02:43:35,974 --> 02:43:37,540
>> Good morning.

2640
02:43:37,540 --> 02:43:38,698
Dan Anderson with Anchor Health.

2641
02:43:38,698 --> 02:43:41,494
I'm the chief operations officer there

2642
02:43:41,494 --> 02:43:46,894
and I wasn't really prepared to comment and talk

2643
02:43:48,730 --> 02:43:53,187
on this, so the slides that the behavioral health

2644
02:43:53,187 --> 02:43:57,230
director provided, this is the first time

2645
02:43:57,230 --> 02:43:59,682
I'm seeing those so talking a bit off the top of my head

2646
02:43:59,682 --> 02:44:02,964
here this morning and want to make sure that maybe we

2647
02:44:02,964 --> 02:44:05,540
can add some context here.

2648
02:44:05,540 --> 02:44:09,140
I want to say thank you to the Behavioral Health Department

2649
02:44:09,140 --> 02:44:11,414
for their work on the EHR issue.

2650
02:44:11,414 --> 02:44:15,560
We have actually been working on this for several years

2651
02:44:15,560 --> 02:44:23,214
and trying very hard to go find a solution to what the board had

2652
02:44:23,214 --> 02:44:26,140
actually voted a couple of years ago,

2653
02:44:26,140 --> 02:44:29,374
that all the behavioral health providers would go and use

2654
02:44:29,374 --> 02:44:32,374
avatar as their primary EHR.

2655
02:44:32,854 --> 02:44:38,742
We were in fact ready and planning to do that,

2656
02:44:38,742 --> 02:44:45,540
had agreed to that, but when the second root system came out

2657
02:44:45,540 --> 02:44:49,244
we realized there were a number of significant barriers

2658
02:44:49,244 --> 02:44:53,444
that would be there that would prevent

2659
02:44:55,304 --> 02:44:58,364
an organizational provider such as Anchor Health being

2660
02:44:58,364 --> 02:45:00,554
able to do the work that we needed to do.

2661
02:45:00,554 --> 02:45:08,354
Some examples of that are we would not be able to get --

2662
02:45:08,869 --> 02:45:11,410
when you enter client data there is a lot of stuff that goes

2663
02:45:11,410 --> 02:45:14,774
in there in terms of their demographics,

2664
02:45:14,774 --> 02:45:17,606
their Social Security number and so forth.

2665
02:45:17,606 --> 02:45:19,714
Turned out that we would not be able to control

2666
02:45:19,714 --> 02:45:23,847
that data, that we would have to get reports built

2667
02:45:23,847 --> 02:45:30,780
by the county for us to be able to track the clients served,

2668
02:45:30,780 --> 02:45:33,958
the number of services they received and timelines.

2669
02:45:33,958 --> 02:45:38,634
All of that data that we used to manage our services,

2670
02:45:38,634 --> 02:45:42,214
we wouldn't be able to control that or have access to it.

2671
02:45:42,214 --> 02:45:44,154
Part of that is because the county system has

2672
02:45:44,154 --> 02:45:46,267
all of the county's clients in it

2673
02:45:46,267 --> 02:45:49,391
and so it just was going to create

2674
02:45:49,391 --> 02:45:51,454
a significant challenge for us to be

2675
02:45:51,454 --> 02:45:53,104
able to manage our services.

2676
02:45:53,104 --> 02:45:57,904
Secondly, we don't just serve Mendocino County Medi-Cal

2677
02:45:59,134 --> 02:46:01,694
beneficiaries we serve other counties.

2678
02:46:01,694 --> 02:46:05,294
We serve folks with other payers,

2679
02:46:06,800 --> 02:46:11,307
grants, other funding sources and so what do we do with those?

2680
02:46:11,307 --> 02:46:14,707
There was not a system for us as an organization

2681
02:46:14,707 --> 02:46:16,406
to do that all in the county system

2682
02:46:16,406 --> 02:46:19,718
because those are not Mendocino County beneficiaries so it

2683
02:46:19,718 --> 02:46:23,174
created these challenges that we couldn't figure out

2684
02:46:23,174 --> 02:46:25,580
how to solve.

2685
02:46:25,580 --> 02:46:27,730
Avatar couldn't figure out how to solve.

2686
02:46:27,730 --> 02:46:29,754
We kind of ran into this wall here.

2687
02:46:29,754 --> 02:46:34,540
So we began looking at what other counties are doing.

2688
02:46:34,540 --> 02:46:37,654
We brought in our EHR folks.

2689
02:46:39,740 --> 02:46:40,468
We use X and.

2690
02:46:40,468 --> 02:46:44,668
We brought in their programmers, their engineers.

2691
02:46:45,140 --> 02:46:47,814
Other counties are using a hybrid system.

2692
02:46:47,814 --> 02:46:49,914
There is still work going on county

2693
02:46:49,914 --> 02:46:51,774
wide to create this interoperability.

2694
02:46:51,774 --> 02:46:56,574
It is not ready to roll out yet.

2695
02:46:57,507 --> 02:47:00,740
But there is progress being made.

2696
02:47:00,740 --> 02:47:02,854
So I guess what we are recommending and hoping

2697
02:47:02,854 --> 02:47:08,220
and asking the board to consider is some flexibility around this

2698
02:47:08,220 --> 02:47:10,198
as the technology gets developed.

2699
02:47:10,198 --> 02:47:13,594
It's not ready to go right now.

2700
02:47:13,594 --> 02:47:17,128
LA County is using their health information exchange

2701
02:47:17,128 --> 02:47:20,934
as a way to get this information into the county

2702
02:47:20,934 --> 02:47:23,670
system in a timely way.

2703
02:47:23,670 --> 02:47:29,667
Other counties are using where they are using flat files, where

2704
02:47:30,294 --> 02:47:33,814
they are able to provide that information on a real time

2705
02:47:33,814 --> 02:47:36,334
basis in terms of patient encounters.

2706
02:47:36,334 --> 02:47:39,147
There is a whole range of things that

2707
02:47:39,147 --> 02:47:42,987
are going on around the state and my hope

2708
02:47:42,987 --> 02:47:46,894
is that the board just doesn't say well the simplest

2709
02:47:46,894 --> 02:47:49,622
solution here is everybody go into the county system

2710
02:47:49,622 --> 02:47:52,499
without recognizing the challenges and the barriers

2711
02:47:52,499 --> 02:47:55,206
and the impact that it will have on your partners

2712
02:47:55,206 --> 02:47:58,134
here at the community based organizations.

2713
02:47:58,134 --> 02:48:01,316
It's not as simple as it sounds.

2714
02:48:01,316 --> 02:48:04,780
If it was we would have done this two years ago.

2715
02:48:04,780 --> 02:48:06,470
We've been having weekly and monthly meetings

2716
02:48:06,470 --> 02:48:08,114
for two years on this and they are still trying

2717
02:48:08,114 --> 02:48:10,982
to figure out paths forward.

2718
02:48:10,982 --> 02:48:15,182
Our electronic health provider and their engineers

2719
02:48:15,270 --> 02:48:17,184
are part of this conversation.

2720
02:48:17,184 --> 02:48:19,303
Say well we could do this or we could

2721
02:48:19,303 --> 02:48:21,354
do that but it has to go back to avatar

2722
02:48:21,354 --> 02:48:23,819
and avatar says well we can do this

2723
02:48:23,819 --> 02:48:27,750
or we can't do that so it has just been really challenging.

2724
02:48:27,750 --> 02:48:35,440
So my hope is, and I can provide you an outline and a report

2725
02:48:35,440 --> 02:48:38,406
on this that presents our concerns

2726
02:48:38,406 --> 02:48:40,480
and the issues and the barriers.

2727
02:48:40,480 --> 02:48:42,368
I don't have it in front of me so this

2728
02:48:42,368 --> 02:48:46,314
feels like I'm kind of operating a little bit with one hand tied

2729
02:48:46,314 --> 02:48:49,958
behind my back and this isn't blaming anybody.

2730
02:48:49,958 --> 02:48:52,647
It is just saying that is the problem here this morning.

2731
02:48:52,647 --> 02:48:55,880
So if you take a quick vote this morning and say yes

2732
02:48:55,880 --> 02:49:00,582
everyone should be in avatar, which is the simplest thing

2733
02:49:00,582 --> 02:49:02,934
but it just really creates a serious impact

2734
02:49:02,934 --> 02:49:05,225
on our ability to do the work and let

2735
02:49:05,225 --> 02:49:07,220
me add one more thing to this.

2736
02:49:07,220 --> 02:49:11,598
Anchor has added a mental health rehabilitation center

2737
02:49:11,598 --> 02:49:13,590
to our operations.

2738
02:49:13,590 --> 02:49:16,954
We do bill through the mental health system.

2739
02:49:16,954 --> 02:49:21,994
But DHS requires us to do a whole host of other tracking

2740
02:49:21,994 --> 02:49:25,534
and documenting things from physical health exams

2741
02:49:25,534 --> 02:49:28,420
to monitoring the medication delivery

2742
02:49:28,420 --> 02:49:33,220
so we use what is called an EMAR,

2743
02:49:34,190 --> 02:49:37,190
it's an electronic medication system

2744
02:49:38,454 --> 02:49:40,974
that tracks when medications are handed out.

2745
02:49:40,974 --> 02:49:43,664
We can't do that without a lot of expense and development

2746
02:49:43,664 --> 02:49:44,809
in avatar right now.

2747
02:49:44,809 --> 02:49:48,790
So to go in and say hey use avatar,

2748
02:49:48,790 --> 02:49:53,914
it's not available to work because of the technology

2749
02:49:53,914 --> 02:49:55,534
required to make it happen.

2750
02:49:55,534 --> 02:49:57,894
That is just one example and I can give you

2751
02:49:57,894 --> 02:50:00,230
15 or 20 other examples of how this would require

2752
02:50:00,230 --> 02:50:02,850
a huge amount of engineering which is possible

2753
02:50:02,850 --> 02:50:05,774
but the technology is not there right now.

2754
02:50:05,774 --> 02:50:08,294
>> Sir you've got to roll over but the supervisor does have

2755
02:50:08,294 --> 02:50:10,214
a question for you.

2756
02:50:10,214 --> 02:50:14,940
>> Without being able to white bar the problem and understand

2757
02:50:14,940 --> 02:50:16,904
it I have a hard time with this hybrid because I see the county

2758
02:50:16,904 --> 02:50:18,746
has hybrid systems today.

2759
02:50:18,746 --> 02:50:21,625
We've seen the problems that have come out of that

2760
02:50:21,625 --> 02:50:24,000
so I don't want to create another one of those situations

2761
02:50:24,000 --> 02:50:26,634
but I also see the hardship for the organization.

2762
02:50:26,634 --> 02:50:28,926
You have clients from multiple counties.

2763
02:50:28,926 --> 02:50:30,620
How do you integrate?

2764
02:50:30,620 --> 02:50:32,397
You need a system for all of your clients.

2765
02:50:32,397 --> 02:50:34,344
We need one for all of our patients

2766
02:50:34,344 --> 02:50:36,150
and those are two separate needs.

2767
02:50:36,150 --> 02:50:39,398
Could we continue with the mandate

2768
02:50:39,398 --> 02:50:42,854
that we are standardizing on avatar but ask you to come back

2769
02:50:42,854 --> 02:50:46,434
and present maybe with an engineer what the difficulties

2770
02:50:46,434 --> 02:50:49,434
are on a road map?

2771
02:50:50,540 --> 02:50:54,740
Maybe we could work with avatar to provide an API

2772
02:50:54,740 --> 02:50:57,214
so you could get direct access to your patients that

2773
02:50:57,214 --> 02:51:01,166
are in our system and you could backfeed your separate software

2774
02:51:01,166 --> 02:51:03,574
and do your own reporting and there

2775
02:51:03,574 --> 02:51:06,994
may be a way to do integration in the reverse so instead

2776
02:51:06,994 --> 02:51:09,524
of the county working with the hybrid maybe

2777
02:51:09,524 --> 02:51:11,770
your organization could work with the hybrid

2778
02:51:11,770 --> 02:51:14,444
so you have a way to pull your data out of our system.

2779
02:51:14,444 --> 02:51:16,214
There may be options that facilitate

2780
02:51:16,214 --> 02:51:19,574
both needs but I don't want to today decide on a hybrid system

2781
02:51:19,574 --> 02:51:21,454
because it's creating a long term

2782
02:51:21,454 --> 02:51:24,254
trajectory of possible fines from the state

2783
02:51:24,254 --> 02:51:26,262
and compatibility with future mandates

2784
02:51:26,262 --> 02:51:28,958
and the sort of support headache we

2785
02:51:28,958 --> 02:51:33,000
have with our other hybrid systems today.

2786
02:51:33,000 --> 02:51:35,000
>> Thank you.

2787
02:51:35,120 --> 02:51:36,934
>> Can I just respond to?

2788
02:51:36,934 --> 02:51:40,774
I would love to be able to come back

2789
02:51:40,774 --> 02:51:46,174
and we actually could bring the engineers from Exom.

2790
02:51:46,864 --> 02:51:51,504
I'm not an IT expert so my language and ability to describe

2791
02:51:51,504 --> 02:51:53,910
this is probably limited but I would love to bring back

2792
02:51:53,910 --> 02:51:57,854
and we've been trying to do this within our EHR work group.

2793
02:51:57,854 --> 02:52:02,334
I think there are paths forward here and I understand the need

2794
02:52:02,334 --> 02:52:06,818
for simplicity and obviously none of us wants sanctions

2795
02:52:06,818 --> 02:52:10,734
but this is a complex -- if it was simple the state would have

2796
02:52:10,734 --> 02:52:12,360
solved it and they haven't.

2797
02:52:12,360 --> 02:52:13,994
Every county is doing it differently right now.

2798
02:52:13,994 --> 02:52:18,280
Every county is and that is because it is just complicated

2799
02:52:18,280 --> 02:52:22,238
so I would hope there is some space and time here

2800
02:52:22,238 --> 02:52:25,534
for some creative work through here.

2801
02:52:25,534 --> 02:52:26,747
Thank you.

2802
02:52:26,747 --> 02:52:28,747
>> Thank you.

2803
02:52:34,404 --> 02:52:37,454
>> Supervisor Cline, did you have a question?

2804
02:52:37,454 --> 02:52:40,334
>> It can wait till after the comment.

2805
02:52:40,334 --> 02:52:41,504
>> Good afternoon.

2806
02:52:41,504 --> 02:52:42,646
Redwood Community Services.

2807
02:52:42,646 --> 02:52:44,951
I can say exactly what Dan just said

2808
02:52:44,951 --> 02:52:48,590
but I will echo my support on the majority of what

2809
02:52:48,590 --> 02:52:50,140
he described.

2810
02:52:50,140 --> 02:52:54,540
We are in a different EHR than even anchor health.

2811
02:52:54,540 --> 02:52:58,766
We did make a shift a couple years ago.

2812
02:52:58,766 --> 02:53:02,954
We have been operating under a contract,

2813
02:53:02,954 --> 02:53:07,154
working toward interoperability for this last year

2814
02:53:07,382 --> 02:53:12,547
and so I, too, am a little taken aback that there

2815
02:53:12,547 --> 02:53:16,327
was a position for the board to make a decision on if we

2816
02:53:16,327 --> 02:53:19,927
are doing that or not today.

2817
02:53:22,430 --> 02:53:25,206
We've had a significant amount of investment

2818
02:53:25,206 --> 02:53:28,287
into what interoperability will mean for us as an organization

2819
02:53:28,287 --> 02:53:30,984
but also us as a partner with Mendocino County.

2820
02:53:30,984 --> 02:53:32,798
We do operate in other counties.

2821
02:53:32,798 --> 02:53:34,414
We do have other grants.

2822
02:53:34,414 --> 02:53:39,460
We also are really pushing our private insurance which

2823
02:53:39,460 --> 02:53:41,438
has been a mandate within our contract

2824
02:53:41,438 --> 02:53:44,438
with the crisis residential treatment,

2825
02:53:46,104 --> 02:53:49,654
and to expand our services and access to private insurance.

2826
02:53:49,654 --> 02:53:51,454
That would pose a barrier.

2827
02:53:51,454 --> 02:53:54,800
Avatar does cost a significant amount more.

2828
02:53:54,800 --> 02:53:57,254
If we had the ability to go with avatar when

2829
02:53:57,254 --> 02:53:59,234
we made our initial shift we would have.

2830
02:53:59,234 --> 02:54:02,834
It is significantly out of range.

2831
02:54:03,734 --> 02:54:09,588
The other issue around if we have to be in avatar,

2832
02:54:09,588 --> 02:54:12,810
we will have to have another EHR.

2833
02:54:12,810 --> 02:54:16,167
We won't be able to work with avatar with our other funding

2834
02:54:16,167 --> 02:54:17,750
streams and grants and other counties.

2835
02:54:17,750 --> 02:54:20,814
We will have to continue to operate a second EHR

2836
02:54:20,814 --> 02:54:23,206
so all costs within avatar within this contract

2837
02:54:23,206 --> 02:54:26,280
will have to be like that is a whole other separate

2838
02:54:26,280 --> 02:54:28,280
conversation.

2839
02:54:32,494 --> 02:54:35,700
I do want to echo the last thing.

2840
02:54:35,700 --> 02:54:38,464
I have been hearing our county partners concerns

2841
02:54:38,464 --> 02:54:40,190
about this for a long time.

2842
02:54:40,190 --> 02:54:41,734
As a provider in the state I have

2843
02:54:41,734 --> 02:54:45,558
been pushing for advocacy at the state level

2844
02:54:45,558 --> 02:54:47,914
to address interoperability because this is something

2845
02:54:47,914 --> 02:54:49,739
that the state needs to take on.

2846
02:54:49,739 --> 02:54:52,318
This is not something that individual counties should

2847
02:54:52,318 --> 02:54:55,934
be taking on and so under some of our membership organizations

2848
02:54:55,934 --> 02:54:58,940
and advocacy we have been pushing

2849
02:54:58,940 --> 02:55:03,134
to say we need to be addressing how providers and counties are

2850
02:55:03,134 --> 02:55:06,280
building interoperability so we can make this work.

2851
02:55:06,280 --> 02:55:08,236
There is technology out there that can make this work

2852
02:55:08,236 --> 02:55:10,114
and it doesn't have to be archaic

2853
02:55:10,114 --> 02:55:12,507
and it doesn't have to mean that we aren't

2854
02:55:12,507 --> 02:55:16,107
going to meet our data points.

2855
02:55:16,454 --> 02:55:18,888
We have technology available that

2856
02:55:18,888 --> 02:55:20,354
can make this work so I agree.

2857
02:55:20,354 --> 02:55:24,294
I just would temper the decision today and try and get

2858
02:55:24,294 --> 02:55:27,870
more information because it has a big ripple effect.

2859
02:55:27,870 --> 02:55:29,334
So thank you.

2860
02:55:29,334 --> 02:55:31,334
>> Thank you.

2861
02:55:36,451 --> 02:55:40,651
>> Good afternoon Kim with Anchor Health Management.

2862
02:55:40,814 --> 02:55:41,954
Again I'm beyond words.

2863
02:55:41,954 --> 02:55:44,376
I don't know how to actually say about the presentation

2864
02:55:44,376 --> 02:55:47,572
as such but I was hoping maybe Supervisor Williams,

2865
02:55:47,572 --> 02:55:50,864
you have a lot of experience in investment

2866
02:55:50,864 --> 02:55:52,554
knowledge in this field and in this work

2867
02:55:52,554 --> 02:55:54,887
and we have been spending a long time on a lot of effort

2868
02:55:54,887 --> 02:56:00,145
trying to come up with something that will help us have our data,

2869
02:56:00,145 --> 02:56:02,478
be able to take care of our numbers

2870
02:56:02,478 --> 02:56:07,209
and understand what we do so we can do it better,

2871
02:56:07,209 --> 02:56:09,274
support and assure none of us have the mandates

2872
02:56:09,274 --> 02:56:11,774
and sanctions and the things that were presented here today.

2873
02:56:11,774 --> 02:56:14,354
Would it be possible to do an ad hoc meeting

2874
02:56:14,354 --> 02:56:15,846
and have you join us?

2875
02:56:15,846 --> 02:56:18,886
Your expertise could be really helpful to getting us

2876
02:56:18,886 --> 02:56:20,886
over the line.

2877
02:56:21,142 --> 02:56:23,940
Before making a real firm decision

2878
02:56:23,940 --> 02:56:25,407
based on the presentation here today.

2879
02:56:25,407 --> 02:56:28,699
That is what I would ask at this point,

2880
02:56:28,699 --> 02:56:31,878
to maybe be able to close the chapter on this.

2881
02:56:31,878 --> 02:56:34,208
Everyone has spent a long time and a lot

2882
02:56:34,208 --> 02:56:37,294
of work trying to get there.

2883
02:56:37,294 --> 02:56:40,924
There is so much more to share and a public meeting

2884
02:56:40,924 --> 02:56:42,206
wouldn't be able to meet.

2885
02:56:42,206 --> 02:56:44,254
That's my personal ask.

2886
02:56:44,254 --> 02:56:46,155
>> Thank you.

2887
02:56:46,155 --> 02:56:48,600
Supervisor Cline.

2888
02:56:48,600 --> 02:56:50,774
>> I want to thank the commenters for their insights

2889
02:56:50,774 --> 02:56:54,340
and ask the director what kind of timeline she envisions this.

2890
02:56:54,340 --> 02:56:57,224
Appreciate you bringing this to the board for our awareness.

2891
02:56:57,224 --> 02:57:01,906
When do you need to have a decision made

2892
02:57:01,906 --> 02:57:04,214
around electronic health record?

2893
02:57:04,214 --> 02:57:06,531
>> I'm not sure that we have to have a decision today.

2894
02:57:06,531 --> 02:57:11,531
I think the question is, every day we are spending

2895
02:57:11,531 --> 02:57:14,114
more money both the providers and us to build interoperability

2896
02:57:14,114 --> 02:57:16,107
and I don't want to keep pushing for something

2897
02:57:16,107 --> 02:57:19,214
if the board is going to push back and say no.

2898
02:57:19,214 --> 02:57:21,174
Everyone should be in avatar.

2899
02:57:21,174 --> 02:57:25,434
We announced at the Behavioral Health Advisory Board

2900
02:57:25,434 --> 02:57:27,824
that this was coming forward about the avatar.

2901
02:57:27,824 --> 02:57:29,694
Multiple board members have asked me

2902
02:57:29,694 --> 02:57:31,606
why everyone is not in avatar because that

2903
02:57:31,606 --> 02:57:34,682
was the direction by this board so I was asked to bring it

2904
02:57:34,682 --> 02:57:38,700
back today as a question because several board members believed

2905
02:57:38,700 --> 02:57:43,470
that was the direction, and so we've been trying

2906
02:57:44,360 --> 02:57:45,707
to pursue interoperability.

2907
02:57:45,707 --> 02:57:49,158
Said for several years we have been at the table meeting

2908
02:57:49,158 --> 02:57:52,158
every other week with Exium.

2909
02:57:55,366 --> 02:58:01,534
We were meeting with credible and that came to a halt

2910
02:58:01,534 --> 02:58:03,340
after a couple of months but we have

2911
02:58:03,340 --> 02:58:04,547
been trying to move it forward.

2912
02:58:04,547 --> 02:58:07,614
The question for us is do we continue

2913
02:58:07,614 --> 02:58:11,814
doing this knowing we've been putting money

2914
02:58:13,540 --> 02:58:15,454
into building a system.

2915
02:58:15,914 --> 02:58:19,240
Because I've had several questions asked of me

2916
02:58:19,240 --> 02:58:22,562
why is everyone not in avatar, it really

2917
02:58:22,562 --> 02:58:26,251
was a decision of what are you asking for the department now?

2918
02:58:26,251 --> 02:58:28,834
Because we are spending money to try to build interoperability

2919
02:58:28,834 --> 02:58:31,742
but I've also heard some feedback that I thought everyone

2920
02:58:31,742 --> 02:58:34,574
was going in avatar so that's why we're here today.

2921
02:58:34,574 --> 02:58:36,140
>> Thank you for that.

2922
02:58:36,140 --> 02:58:37,620
I appreciate it.

2923
02:58:37,620 --> 02:58:38,734
Comments to my colleagues I think

2924
02:58:38,734 --> 02:58:40,814
it might be appropriate for us to have

2925
02:58:40,814 --> 02:58:43,587
some sort of ad hoc forum to work on this issue.

2926
02:58:43,587 --> 02:58:46,379
It was suggested by one of the commenters

2927
02:58:46,379 --> 02:58:49,238
and I'm supporting that idea as we work through this issue

2928
02:58:49,238 --> 02:58:51,414
because it is pretty detailed.

2929
02:58:51,414 --> 02:58:53,414
>> Thank you.

2930
02:58:53,417 --> 02:58:55,417
Supervisor Mulheren.

2931
02:58:55,626 --> 02:58:56,168
>> Thank you.

2932
02:58:56,168 --> 02:58:58,710
I just want to say first that the agenda was properly noticed

2933
02:58:58,710 --> 02:59:01,125
and had the presentation that had all of the information

2934
02:59:01,125 --> 02:59:03,654
about what the discussion was going to be

2935
02:59:03,654 --> 02:59:07,380
today so that anybody would be surprised surprises me.

2936
02:59:07,380 --> 02:59:09,550
I will say that I am one of the people that

2937
02:59:09,550 --> 02:59:12,242
has been asking why is everybody not on avatar

2938
02:59:12,242 --> 02:59:13,742
because that was a board discussion.

2939
02:59:13,742 --> 02:59:18,764
I also am aware that the department and the service

2940
02:59:18,764 --> 02:59:20,926
providers have been meeting regularly

2941
02:59:20,926 --> 02:59:25,914
to try to work through this and I discussion.

2942
02:59:25,914 --> 02:59:29,514
The service have been meeting regularly

2943
02:59:30,930 --> 02:59:33,354
to try to work through this and I

2944
02:59:33,354 --> 02:59:37,554
understand that there are actually maybe even.

2945
02:59:38,118 --> 02:59:41,718
Over 20 other counties that are going

2946
02:59:42,740 --> 02:59:43,954
through a different system.

2947
02:59:43,954 --> 02:59:46,346
Trying to figure out their hybrid model.

2948
02:59:46,346 --> 02:59:48,887
It seems like through all 58 counties

2949
02:59:48,887 --> 02:59:51,564
in the state of California this is a challenge.

2950
02:59:51,564 --> 02:59:55,294
Trying to figure out how service providers and county agencies

2951
02:59:55,294 --> 02:59:58,822
can work together to meet the mandates of the state.

2952
02:59:58,822 --> 03:00:00,910
I do agree.

2953
03:00:00,910 --> 03:00:02,340
This is a statewide issue that we

2954
03:00:02,340 --> 03:00:07,434
should be working with our legislation and our NGOs.

2955
03:00:07,698 --> 03:00:10,698
And our affiliated agencies on.

2956
03:00:10,944 --> 03:00:11,702
To improve.

2957
03:00:11,702 --> 03:00:18,300
At the end of the day -- it's the people that get lost

2958
03:00:18,300 --> 03:00:22,278
in these systems of whether or not a flat file downloads

2959
03:00:22,278 --> 03:00:22,882
correctly.

2960
03:00:22,882 --> 03:00:26,274
And whether or not somebody is reporting to the same system.

2961
03:00:26,274 --> 03:00:30,130
There is a person that is impacted by that decision.

2962
03:00:30,130 --> 03:00:32,934
So -- I don't want to be flippant.

2963
03:00:32,934 --> 03:00:35,794
It is just one of the other.

2964
03:00:35,794 --> 03:00:37,714
Here is where we need to be.

2965
03:00:37,714 --> 03:00:42,990
I think an ad hoc is probably appropriate.

2966
03:00:42,990 --> 03:00:44,334
To figure out where we go next.

2967
03:00:44,334 --> 03:00:45,854
The board did give a direction.

2968
03:00:45,854 --> 03:00:48,610
Was direction that everybody should

2969
03:00:48,610 --> 03:00:50,975
be in avatar by 1 or 2 years.

2970
03:00:50,975 --> 03:00:52,470
Here we are at this point.

2971
03:00:52,470 --> 03:00:53,524
That didn't happen.

2972
03:00:53,524 --> 03:00:57,594
A more detailed workgroup I think is appropriate.

2973
03:00:57,594 --> 03:00:58,254
>> Thank you.

2974
03:00:58,254 --> 03:00:59,144
Supervisor Williams.

2975
03:00:59,144 --> 03:01:00,602
>> I agree with Supervisor Mulhern.

2976
03:01:00,602 --> 03:01:03,740
I don't think our providers are being difficult.

2977
03:01:03,740 --> 03:01:06,180
They just want to wait to work with us.

2978
03:01:06,180 --> 03:01:09,254
There may be some possibility that we are not going

2979
03:01:09,254 --> 03:01:10,724
to touch on in this session.

2980
03:01:10,724 --> 03:01:12,884
I'm fine working offline.

2981
03:01:12,884 --> 03:01:16,340
The board already made a decision.

2982
03:01:16,340 --> 03:01:17,658
Everyone wants to use avatar.

2983
03:01:17,658 --> 03:01:18,167
Status quo.

2984
03:01:18,167 --> 03:01:19,730
We take no action is coming we are

2985
03:01:19,730 --> 03:01:20,938
continuing in that direction.

2986
03:01:20,938 --> 03:01:25,420
I would say until such time as we can come forward with a proof

2987
03:01:25,420 --> 03:01:28,730
that it's not possible for them to perform

2988
03:01:28,730 --> 03:01:30,754
their role in our system.

2989
03:01:30,754 --> 03:01:34,620
Does our staff understand why they can't use avatar

2990
03:01:34,620 --> 03:01:36,140
for our patients?

2991
03:01:36,140 --> 03:01:40,794
And use the avatar API to backfeed their systems?

2992
03:01:40,794 --> 03:01:44,631
Do I understand why providers are not?

2993
03:01:44,631 --> 03:01:45,714
>> That's what I would do.

2994
03:01:45,714 --> 03:01:48,794
Mendocino County patient comes in come I would use the county

2995
03:01:48,794 --> 03:01:49,410
system avatar.

2996
03:01:49,410 --> 03:01:52,650
And then use the avatar API to read it

2997
03:01:52,650 --> 03:01:54,200
into another system come if they want

2998
03:01:54,200 --> 03:01:57,620
to do their own data analysis.

2999
03:01:58,634 --> 03:02:01,340
>> Some accounts, some providers.

3000
03:02:01,574 --> 03:02:04,574
We have two providers locally.

3001
03:02:05,207 --> 03:02:08,887
Youth project and hospitality Center that are in avatar.

3002
03:02:08,887 --> 03:02:11,214
And then we have some of the drug Medi-Cal providers

3003
03:02:11,214 --> 03:02:12,294
that are coming in.

3004
03:02:12,294 --> 03:02:14,757
Their model is come they have their own EHR.

3005
03:02:14,757 --> 03:02:18,354
They use the county's EHR for when they see county clients.

3006
03:02:18,354 --> 03:02:22,354
If they're serving one provider who does medication management

3007
03:02:22,354 --> 03:02:26,554
services, they have 30 counties they work with.

3008
03:02:26,594 --> 03:02:27,954
They use avatar.

3009
03:02:27,954 --> 03:02:30,346
The county's avatar for those counties

3010
03:02:30,346 --> 03:02:31,822
that are that county's client.

3011
03:02:31,822 --> 03:02:34,189
They have their own EHR.

3012
03:02:34,189 --> 03:02:37,800
They also use Smartcare for their other clients.

3013
03:02:37,800 --> 03:02:41,274
Depending on, they will use whatever the county

3014
03:02:41,274 --> 03:02:43,474
EHR is, they will use that EHR.

3015
03:02:43,474 --> 03:02:47,254
They have their own EHR they can transfer data to and from.

3016
03:02:47,254 --> 03:02:47,754
>> Exactly.

3017
03:02:47,754 --> 03:02:51,354
Is a reason that can't be done in this case?

3018
03:02:51,354 --> 03:02:54,354
Um it could be done

3019
03:02:54,394 --> 03:02:56,794
>> It could be done.

3020
03:02:57,940 --> 03:03:02,600
The community stated they can't pull their own data from our EHR

3021
03:03:02,600 --> 03:03:02,560
system.

3022
03:03:02,560 --> 03:03:05,140
There's an API to pull.

3023
03:03:05,140 --> 03:03:07,634
>> There's an API that goes to the patient access which is

3024
03:03:07,634 --> 03:03:09,464
third party application.

3025
03:03:09,464 --> 03:03:11,826
That is the mandate.

3026
03:03:11,826 --> 03:03:14,508
However, that is a third party that

3027
03:03:14,508 --> 03:03:17,508
is not contracted with them.

3028
03:03:18,394 --> 03:03:20,434
>> Can we help them with that please?

3029
03:03:20,434 --> 03:03:24,617
>> We can look into that and talk to Netsmart avatar and see

3030
03:03:24,617 --> 03:03:25,624
those options.

3031
03:03:25,624 --> 03:03:28,858
We do know it is that barrier they can't pull reports

3032
03:03:28,858 --> 03:03:29,900
without us creating them.

3033
03:03:29,900 --> 03:03:32,583
We did offer to create whatever reports they need.

3034
03:03:32,583 --> 03:03:34,501
It does mean they're waiting on the county

3035
03:03:34,501 --> 03:03:35,834
to create some of those reports.

3036
03:03:35,834 --> 03:03:37,474
We can look at the API.

3037
03:03:37,474 --> 03:03:40,266
>> They could also pull all of their data from avatar

3038
03:03:40,266 --> 03:03:44,787
into another system and do their own reports in that system.

3039
03:03:44,787 --> 03:03:45,287
>> Yes.

3040
03:03:45,287 --> 03:03:48,212
As long as were written for them to pull it.

3041
03:03:48,212 --> 03:03:49,754
>> We would write it in the database.

3042
03:03:49,754 --> 03:03:51,714
They would generate it.

3043
03:03:51,714 --> 03:03:54,714
>> Okay I agree with Mulhern I agree.

3044
03:03:54,714 --> 03:03:56,140
It's not fine conversation.

3045
03:03:56,140 --> 03:03:58,699
Is the director comparable with this

3046
03:03:58,699 --> 03:04:01,594
taking the recommended action today?

3047
03:04:01,594 --> 03:04:04,274
Leaving this part out, keeping status quo until we

3048
03:04:04,274 --> 03:04:07,314
are able to have some ad hoc discussions?

3049
03:04:07,314 --> 03:04:10,914
May I get one clarifying question?

3050
03:04:11,840 --> 03:04:13,955
Do the contracts currently being brought forward state

3051
03:04:13,955 --> 03:04:15,122
that there is a requirement?

3052
03:04:15,122 --> 03:04:17,754
Do we need to modify?

3053
03:04:17,754 --> 03:04:20,154
>> We'll need to modify.

3054
03:04:27,531 --> 03:04:29,198
From the perspective of interoperability

3055
03:04:29,198 --> 03:04:30,600
we were saying status quo.

3056
03:04:30,600 --> 03:04:33,152
Will say they're using avatar until such time.

3057
03:04:33,152 --> 03:04:35,658
Unless you guys want to leave them

3058
03:04:35,658 --> 03:04:38,658
with the information regarding interoperability?

3059
03:04:39,912 --> 03:04:41,770
>> It's up to the board.

3060
03:04:41,770 --> 03:04:45,592
My preference would be -- to make the right decision once.

3061
03:04:45,592 --> 03:04:48,318
I don't think we have enough information to do it now.

3062
03:04:48,318 --> 03:04:50,624
I'd rather keep status quo.

3063
03:04:50,624 --> 03:04:52,658
But come open the door to conversations

3064
03:04:52,658 --> 03:04:54,968
about general impossibility with integration.

3065
03:04:54,968 --> 03:04:55,960
You know.

3066
03:04:55,960 --> 03:04:58,205
We may have to update our requirement

3067
03:04:58,205 --> 03:05:01,205
if we can't find a solution.

3068
03:05:01,205 --> 03:05:03,320
>> If I may comment does this mean we would bring

3069
03:05:03,320 --> 03:05:06,290
the contracts back on September 1st as retroactive?

3070
03:05:06,290 --> 03:05:08,290
As well?

3071
03:05:11,682 --> 03:05:15,980
>> I would recommend if you could, you know --

3072
03:05:15,980 --> 03:05:18,192
approve the contracts, knowing will amend them with

3073
03:05:18,192 --> 03:05:19,152
the language or avatar.

3074
03:05:19,152 --> 03:05:23,172
In other words, they go a month without payment.

3075
03:05:23,172 --> 03:05:25,320
I won't be able to pay them.

3076
03:05:25,320 --> 03:05:26,472
They are providing services.

3077
03:05:26,472 --> 03:05:29,681
It's going to be like a 2 or 3 month lag for payment.

3078
03:05:29,681 --> 03:05:33,881
That wouldn't be fair to the provider.

3079
03:05:35,702 --> 03:05:36,202
>> Okay.

3080
03:05:36,202 --> 03:05:37,369
We also have public comment.

3081
03:05:37,369 --> 03:05:39,369
Supervisor go ahead.

3082
03:05:39,994 --> 03:05:40,494
>> Yeah.

3083
03:05:40,494 --> 03:05:41,768
I agree with that approach.

3084
03:05:41,768 --> 03:05:46,845
When you look at page 24 of the slides -- you know,

3085
03:05:46,845 --> 03:05:50,472
there's a lot of impacts to the county.

3086
03:05:50,472 --> 03:05:54,605
You know -- with the county impact with technology

3087
03:05:54,605 --> 03:05:55,992
and infrastructure.

3088
03:05:55,992 --> 03:05:58,992
All of those things listed.

3089
03:05:59,192 --> 03:06:05,960
The right way to do it is to move towards this avatar.

3090
03:06:05,960 --> 03:06:07,850
We thought we were doing.

3091
03:06:07,850 --> 03:06:09,732
We are hearing that progress is being made.

3092
03:06:09,732 --> 03:06:15,136
At the same time, there is all these barriers that are,

3093
03:06:15,136 --> 03:06:17,786
let's keep working on that.

3094
03:06:17,786 --> 03:06:21,512
The intent is to move in that direction.

3095
03:06:21,512 --> 03:06:22,342
>> Thank you.

3096
03:06:22,342 --> 03:06:25,152
Anybody else in the room like to speak on this item?

3097
03:06:25,152 --> 03:06:27,152
Madam clerk?

3098
03:06:27,312 --> 03:06:29,312
Any other item?

3099
03:06:29,756 --> 03:06:31,352
I'm seeing none maybe I'm great.

3100
03:06:31,352 --> 03:06:32,832
Back to the board.

3101
03:06:32,832 --> 03:06:35,872
>> Can we ask Council is there a reason we just can't amend

3102
03:06:35,872 --> 03:06:36,792
and approve today?

3103
03:06:36,792 --> 03:06:40,992
Why does it have to come back?

3104
03:06:43,192 --> 03:06:45,418
>> So what part do you want to amend?

3105
03:06:45,418 --> 03:06:47,418
I'm sorry.

3106
03:06:48,832 --> 03:06:52,512
>> Maintaining the status quo of use avatar.

3107
03:06:52,512 --> 03:06:54,345
>> It would be amending.

3108
03:06:54,345 --> 03:06:57,912
It would be the avatar portion of the contract.

3109
03:06:57,912 --> 03:07:00,298
>> It would need to be brought back through cobblestone.

3110
03:07:00,298 --> 03:07:01,900
>> Why?

3111
03:07:01,900 --> 03:07:03,752
Normal course here we approve contracts.

3112
03:07:03,752 --> 03:07:06,632
Subject to amendments made during the meeting.

3113
03:07:06,632 --> 03:07:09,720
Why is this any different?

3114
03:07:09,720 --> 03:07:15,185
>> As far as I know we've not approved a contract that has

3115
03:07:15,185 --> 03:07:17,136
a different schedule that's attached.

3116
03:07:17,136 --> 03:07:20,720
I think we would need to appropriately then reattach

3117
03:07:20,720 --> 03:07:22,720
the schedule.

3118
03:07:22,352 --> 03:07:23,912
>> Different approach.

3119
03:07:23,912 --> 03:07:24,843
Simple finance.

3120
03:07:24,843 --> 03:07:27,869
What if we were to keep contracts as is.

3121
03:07:27,869 --> 03:07:29,872
No amendment today or ever?

3122
03:07:29,872 --> 03:07:33,618
And the board clarifies what interoperability means.

3123
03:07:33,618 --> 03:07:36,618
It's enabling our service providers

3124
03:07:36,752 --> 03:07:39,385
to interoperate with avatar to pull

3125
03:07:39,385 --> 03:07:41,485
the data for their own uses.

3126
03:07:41,485 --> 03:07:42,180
Right?

3127
03:07:42,180 --> 03:07:44,645
They do need some interoperability.

3128
03:07:44,645 --> 03:07:47,882
It's a question of do they put our patient

3129
03:07:47,882 --> 03:07:50,212
data in separate systems from ours

3130
03:07:50,212 --> 03:07:52,192
or do they put it all on ours?

3131
03:07:52,192 --> 03:07:54,808
They have interoperability with pulling that data back

3132
03:07:54,808 --> 03:07:55,316
into theirs?

3133
03:07:55,316 --> 03:07:56,358
To do their own analysis?

3134
03:07:56,358 --> 03:07:57,898
I think it's open to interpretation.

3135
03:07:57,898 --> 03:07:59,640
We need to solve that problem for them.

3136
03:07:59,640 --> 03:08:05,472
I don't need come I don't know we need to modify our contract.

3137
03:08:05,472 --> 03:08:07,402
>> The model, that interoperability.

3138
03:08:07,402 --> 03:08:10,223
I just want to be clear that's kind of the term hoc

3139
03:08:10,223 --> 03:08:13,552
they're going to pay for the build down and stuff.

3140
03:08:13,552 --> 03:08:15,267
I don't know if an option is.

3141
03:08:15,267 --> 03:08:16,850
I wouldn't go back through cobblestone

3142
03:08:16,850 --> 03:08:19,200
if we could just pull the back piece out.

3143
03:08:19,200 --> 03:08:19,666
They can prove.

3144
03:08:19,666 --> 03:08:22,416
We can try to go back to the office I'm in the mall really

3145
03:08:22,416 --> 03:08:23,787
quickly, pull up that pace.

3146
03:08:23,787 --> 03:08:26,632
You guys got to prove it.

3147
03:08:26,632 --> 03:08:27,952
>> May I?

3148
03:08:27,952 --> 03:08:30,450
>> Prefer that otherwise we're approving a contract

3149
03:08:30,450 --> 03:08:32,700
that's saying a message we want them to begin spending

3150
03:08:32,700 --> 03:08:35,170
their money building out a hybrid system that this board

3151
03:08:35,170 --> 03:08:36,212
actually doesn't support.

3152
03:08:36,212 --> 03:08:38,212
At least today.

3153
03:08:38,877 --> 03:08:41,252
>> If I may to the chair comment you to remove section C.

3154
03:08:41,252 --> 03:08:42,932
I think it's exhibit.

3155
03:08:42,932 --> 03:08:44,325
I think it's exhibit.

3156
03:08:44,325 --> 03:08:49,532
Think A is a main and then B is a B. I think it's exhibit C?

3157
03:08:49,532 --> 03:08:51,864
We would remove all the avatar.

3158
03:08:51,864 --> 03:08:54,264
The interoperability language out.

3159
03:08:57,955 --> 03:08:58,663
>> Doctor Miller.

3160
03:08:58,663 --> 03:09:00,996
Could you restate what your preference would be in this?

3161
03:09:00,996 --> 03:09:03,396
Based on the discussion?

3162
03:09:03,952 --> 03:09:07,180
>> My preference is to make sure the contractors get at least

3163
03:09:07,180 --> 03:09:09,560
the contract approved today, so they can get paid between now

3164
03:09:09,560 --> 03:09:11,472
and September 1st.

3165
03:09:11,472 --> 03:09:13,580
I am happy to go back to the office

3166
03:09:13,580 --> 03:09:16,604
and have my team just pull out the language regarding

3167
03:09:16,604 --> 03:09:17,312
interoperability.

3168
03:09:17,312 --> 03:09:19,972
We can bring those back in separate contracts.

3169
03:09:19,972 --> 03:09:22,632
Can have that not even be part of this.

3170
03:09:22,632 --> 03:09:24,992
We can make sure there are two separate contracts going

3171
03:09:24,992 --> 03:09:25,492
forward.

3172
03:09:25,492 --> 03:09:28,412
I think that will make probably more sense.

3173
03:09:28,412 --> 03:09:32,320
I'm happy to come as long as County council thinks we can.

3174
03:09:32,320 --> 03:09:35,144
We just pull nothing but pull that language out, then

3175
03:09:35,144 --> 03:09:41,901
bring it in, we can get it back to the board today.

3176
03:09:41,901 --> 03:09:42,712
>> I would have to look at it a little more carefully in this

3177
03:09:42,712 --> 03:09:43,272
situation.

3178
03:09:43,272 --> 03:09:48,404
This is something that we have given to the other parties.

3179
03:09:48,404 --> 03:09:50,404
They've signed on.

3180
03:09:50,702 --> 03:09:51,452
>> That's correct.

3181
03:09:51,452 --> 03:09:53,386
And so if we are changing contract terms,

3182
03:09:53,386 --> 03:09:57,760
we do need to go back to the persons we are contracting with.

3183
03:09:57,760 --> 03:10:01,360
I'm not sure what you're saying.

3184
03:10:01,882 --> 03:10:05,232
Which contract do you want to go forward today?

3185
03:10:05,232 --> 03:10:08,104
>> It would be all five of the contracts pulling out a portion

3186
03:10:08,104 --> 03:10:11,992
of the contract term is only about avatar.

3187
03:10:11,992 --> 03:10:13,832
>> You could approve two.

3188
03:10:13,832 --> 03:10:14,685
Youth project.

3189
03:10:14,685 --> 03:10:17,150
We could pull these apart.

3190
03:10:17,150 --> 03:10:20,137
Youth project and hospitality house or an avatar.

3191
03:10:20,137 --> 03:10:21,802
Their contracts are totally different.

3192
03:10:21,802 --> 03:10:24,472
There's not a conversation about interoperability framework

3193
03:10:24,472 --> 03:10:25,347
they're using avatar.

3194
03:10:25,347 --> 03:10:27,180
They've been using avatar for the last year.

3195
03:10:27,180 --> 03:10:29,580
They are totally fine.

3196
03:10:29,970 --> 03:10:30,637
Those contracts.

3197
03:10:30,637 --> 03:10:32,351
We could pull that as a separate.

3198
03:10:32,351 --> 03:10:33,872
You guys could make this a separate.

3199
03:10:33,872 --> 03:10:36,552
Youth project and hospitality center are already using avatar.

3200
03:10:36,552 --> 03:10:37,992
They're in the languages in their.

3201
03:10:37,992 --> 03:10:40,424
We continue to use avatar and reimburse

3202
03:10:40,424 --> 03:10:42,472
for the number of users they have.

3203
03:10:42,472 --> 03:10:45,712
You are only looking at three.

3204
03:10:45,712 --> 03:10:48,112
>> Thank you Supervisor Mulhern.

3205
03:10:48,165 --> 03:10:49,930
>> Thank you.

3206
03:10:49,930 --> 03:10:52,160
I'm just wondering -- at this point --

3207
03:10:52,160 --> 03:10:55,965
the contracts have been signed by the providers come up with

3208
03:10:55,965 --> 03:10:59,472
the provision in them that they would be using avatar.

3209
03:10:59,472 --> 03:11:01,472
It is in

3210
03:11:04,520 --> 03:11:07,312
>> They would be using the administration part of avatar.

3211
03:11:07,312 --> 03:11:10,738
They would still be using their own system.

3212
03:11:10,738 --> 03:11:11,302
>> Right.

3213
03:11:11,302 --> 03:11:13,390
It has to continue work with us.

3214
03:11:13,390 --> 03:11:15,672
The contracts could move forward today.

3215
03:11:15,672 --> 03:11:20,320
>> The ad hoc could work on whether or not the requirement

3216
03:11:20,320 --> 03:11:23,377
would be to switch avatar to their actual system.

3217
03:11:23,377 --> 03:11:27,820
The contracts could be approved today come as they are listed.

3218
03:11:27,820 --> 03:11:29,445
It's the way that we've been operating.

3219
03:11:29,445 --> 03:11:32,952
And then an ad hoc could determine,

3220
03:11:32,952 --> 03:11:35,912
could bring back to the board, a recommendation about

3221
03:11:35,912 --> 03:11:38,932
whether or not they fully implement avatar.

3222
03:11:38,932 --> 03:11:40,932
>> Do you agree?

3223
03:11:41,760 --> 03:11:42,260
>> Yes.

3224
03:11:42,260 --> 03:11:43,272
As long as the board agrees.

3225
03:11:43,272 --> 03:11:44,488
There wouldn't be status quo.

3226
03:11:44,488 --> 03:11:46,552
Could be status quo to what we're doing today.

3227
03:11:46,552 --> 03:11:49,205
It wouldn't be status quo to what the board voted

3228
03:11:49,205 --> 03:11:52,566
on which I think it's the same status

3229
03:11:52,566 --> 03:11:53,858
quo everyone has to use avatar.

3230
03:11:53,858 --> 03:11:56,738
I think you guys have to make that decision.

3231
03:11:56,738 --> 03:11:59,448
I would want their contracts to move forward at some level

3232
03:11:59,448 --> 03:12:00,180
today.

3233
03:12:00,180 --> 03:12:02,400
To make them wait until September for payment

3234
03:12:02,400 --> 03:12:04,400
is not realistic.

3235
03:12:04,152 --> 03:12:05,157
>> Supervisor Williams.

3236
03:12:05,157 --> 03:12:07,320
>> With the contract to move forward as well.

3237
03:12:07,320 --> 03:12:09,700
I have full support County council could get it done.

3238
03:12:09,700 --> 03:12:11,264
We have very long closed session.

3239
03:12:11,264 --> 03:12:13,477
We are busy for hours if you come back and take this

3240
03:12:13,477 --> 03:12:15,500
at the end of the day.

3241
03:12:15,500 --> 03:12:17,500
Supervisor Mulhern's comment.

3242
03:12:17,408 --> 03:12:22,184
I think it's a mistake right now our providers are

3243
03:12:22,184 --> 03:12:23,312
expected to use avatar.

3244
03:12:23,312 --> 03:12:24,860
This contract tells them no.

3245
03:12:24,860 --> 03:12:25,891
You can do a hybrid.

3246
03:12:25,891 --> 03:12:28,558
We come back in a month and say we want you to use avatar again.

3247
03:12:28,558 --> 03:12:30,412
We have to amend the contract.

3248
03:12:30,412 --> 03:12:34,536
That thrashing isn't good for either side of the agreement.

3249
03:12:34,536 --> 03:12:39,160
Is it possible to make the change and have the county sign?

3250
03:12:39,160 --> 03:12:40,946
The other party can sign later.

3251
03:12:40,946 --> 03:12:44,546
As far as we are concerned.

3252
03:12:48,300 --> 03:12:50,720
>> I would just need to understand on those three

3253
03:12:50,720 --> 03:12:50,572
contracts.

3254
03:12:50,572 --> 03:12:55,332
Is there an agreement with our contractors for that amendment?

3255
03:12:55,332 --> 03:12:56,937
>> We will have to ask?

3256
03:12:56,937 --> 03:12:59,352
If not the contract will go forward.

3257
03:12:59,352 --> 03:13:00,578
>> It status quo.

3258
03:13:00,578 --> 03:13:02,792
We're not introducing anything new here.

3259
03:13:02,792 --> 03:13:07,338
Our agreements have been for the last couple of years.

3260
03:13:07,338 --> 03:13:10,626
>> The other suggestion is to amend the term.

3261
03:13:10,626 --> 03:13:14,896
And just do a term until October 1st.

3262
03:13:14,896 --> 03:13:19,112
Come back and amend after you've had that chance to negotiate.

3263
03:13:19,112 --> 03:13:20,925
Just shorten the term.

3264
03:13:20,925 --> 03:13:23,152
I think that's fine.

3265
03:13:23,152 --> 03:13:23,902
>> Thank you.

3266
03:13:23,902 --> 03:13:25,125
Supervisor Mulhern.

3267
03:13:25,125 --> 03:13:25,918
>> Thank you.

3268
03:13:25,918 --> 03:13:28,352
I think using the term status quo for something that

3269
03:13:28,352 --> 03:13:32,552
didn't happen is an awkward way to phrase this conversation.

3270
03:13:32,552 --> 03:13:34,473
Because it's confusing people.

3271
03:13:34,473 --> 03:13:36,640
Supervisor Williams you were referring to status quo

3272
03:13:36,640 --> 03:13:38,348
as what the board previous direction was.

3273
03:13:38,348 --> 03:13:39,572
Everybody switches to avatar.

3274
03:13:39,572 --> 03:13:42,240
I want to make sure that all five board members agree

3275
03:13:42,240 --> 03:13:47,845
that a hybrid model may not be a viable option for the providers.

3276
03:13:47,845 --> 03:13:51,445
I am not decided on yet.

3277
03:13:52,184 --> 03:13:55,184
In reviewing, there are essentially

3278
03:13:55,452 --> 03:13:58,520
half the counties using an entirely different model.

3279
03:13:58,520 --> 03:14:01,592
None of the providers have mentioned the county is not

3280
03:14:01,592 --> 03:14:03,605
using the state of California.

3281
03:14:03,605 --> 03:14:08,405
That other providers that are using avatar system

3282
03:14:08,492 --> 03:14:09,907
are also struggling.

3283
03:14:09,907 --> 03:14:12,732
Trying to figure out their management of,

3284
03:14:12,732 --> 03:14:15,542
with their providers in the county has an agency.

3285
03:14:15,542 --> 03:14:17,818
I still have more questions.

3286
03:14:17,818 --> 03:14:23,450
And so I would like to see the contracts move forward.

3287
03:14:23,450 --> 03:14:26,328
Which is a model that would allow

3288
03:14:26,328 --> 03:14:28,676
them to continue to use their system

3289
03:14:28,676 --> 03:14:30,728
and share the information with the county.

3290
03:14:30,728 --> 03:14:33,392
So the county has information they need.

3291
03:14:33,392 --> 03:14:37,320
Can then come come back to the board with no

3292
03:14:37,320 --> 03:14:40,320
you must be on avatar.

3293
03:14:40,405 --> 03:14:42,440
Maybe I'm alone in that.

3294
03:14:42,440 --> 03:14:43,271
That would be fine.

3295
03:14:43,271 --> 03:14:45,312
I do want to hear from the other board members.

3296
03:14:45,312 --> 03:14:46,792
The way things are being described

3297
03:14:46,792 --> 03:14:49,752
can be a little bit confusing right now.

3298
03:14:49,752 --> 03:14:51,672
>> That mirrors your earlier idea.

3299
03:14:51,672 --> 03:14:55,868
Plus filming an ad hoc to get through that process.

3300
03:14:55,868 --> 03:14:56,368
Correct?

3301
03:14:56,368 --> 03:14:59,312
Would you like to form that into a motion?

3302
03:14:59,312 --> 03:15:00,494
>> I would.

3303
03:15:00,494 --> 03:15:04,694
I would like to ask supervisor first.

3304
03:15:05,132 --> 03:15:06,610
>> I was going to make a motion.

3305
03:15:06,610 --> 03:15:10,810
To approve as is -- items two.

3306
03:15:11,452 --> 03:15:14,282
Which is the hospitality center.

3307
03:15:14,282 --> 03:15:15,752
And three.

3308
03:15:15,752 --> 03:15:17,592
The youth project contract.

3309
03:15:17,592 --> 03:15:23,360
And then with the others, we do a short term contract.

3310
03:15:23,360 --> 03:15:24,512
For three months.

3311
03:15:24,512 --> 03:15:31,792
Can have the ad hoc work with them, to try to figure out that.

3312
03:15:31,792 --> 03:15:32,992
>> Second.

3313
03:15:32,992 --> 03:15:35,752
>> Miss Miller those contracts would then again have to come

3314
03:15:35,752 --> 03:15:36,622
back.

3315
03:15:36,622 --> 03:15:37,492
Right?

3316
03:15:37,492 --> 03:15:40,725
The providers would have to agree to the short term

3317
03:15:40,725 --> 03:15:41,578
contract.

3318
03:15:41,578 --> 03:15:42,107
>> Yes.

3319
03:15:42,107 --> 03:15:44,232
The providers would have to agree to the short term

3320
03:15:44,232 --> 03:15:44,732
contract.

3321
03:15:44,732 --> 03:15:46,272
Yes.

3322
03:15:46,272 --> 03:15:47,884
>> Okay.

3323
03:15:47,884 --> 03:15:48,426
>> All right.

3324
03:15:48,426 --> 03:15:52,512
We do have a first supervisor seconded by Williams.

3325
03:15:52,512 --> 03:15:53,552
Madam clerk.

3326
03:15:53,552 --> 03:15:57,152
Could you restate the motion please?

3327
03:16:03,521 --> 03:16:07,280
>> Approve the second and third contract that being --

3328
03:16:07,280 --> 03:16:09,992
the youth project and Mendocino County.

3329
03:16:09,992 --> 03:16:11,272
Excuse me.

3330
03:16:11,272 --> 03:16:12,808
Mendocino Coast Hospitality Center.

3331
03:16:12,808 --> 03:16:15,848
And approve a short term contract for the other three,

3332
03:16:15,848 --> 03:16:17,216
for three months.

3333
03:16:17,216 --> 03:16:20,565
The ad hoc works with the company's.

3334
03:16:20,565 --> 03:16:21,231
>> Okay.

3335
03:16:21,231 --> 03:16:22,672
Thank you supervisor.

3336
03:16:22,672 --> 03:16:23,410
Question

3337
03:16:23,410 --> 03:16:24,368
>> I need more clarity.

3338
03:16:24,368 --> 03:16:27,112
I'm trying to understand how these short term contracts would

3339
03:16:27,112 --> 03:16:27,722
work?

3340
03:16:27,722 --> 03:16:32,522
I'm understanding we're under the timeline of today.

3341
03:16:33,152 --> 03:16:35,880
I would like to staff for clarity

3342
03:16:35,880 --> 03:16:37,778
about what that would really mean in terms of a short term

3343
03:16:37,778 --> 03:16:39,778
contract.

3344
03:16:39,778 --> 03:16:42,618
>> It would mean that we would go back to the office.

3345
03:16:42,618 --> 03:16:43,445
Change the date.

3346
03:16:43,445 --> 03:16:44,965
We would just edit the dates.

3347
03:16:44,965 --> 03:16:47,472
We would have to consult with the three contractors

3348
03:16:47,472 --> 03:16:48,552
like I said.

3349
03:16:48,552 --> 03:16:51,432
The two are already in avatar.

3350
03:16:51,432 --> 03:16:54,624
Make sure they will agree to sign those short term contracts.

3351
03:16:54,624 --> 03:16:58,282
Would mean we would need an ad hoc committee pretty quickly.

3352
03:16:58,282 --> 03:17:00,967
We need to make a decision and be back

3353
03:17:00,967 --> 03:17:06,352
in three months to this board, so that we are not putting them

3354
03:17:06,352 --> 03:17:07,552
without the contract.

3355
03:17:07,552 --> 03:17:09,112
And without payment.

3356
03:17:09,112 --> 03:17:10,989
Thank you.

3357
03:17:10,989 --> 03:17:11,489
>> Okay.

3358
03:17:11,489 --> 03:17:12,992
Before we vote --

3359
03:17:12,992 --> 03:17:14,312
Supervisor Mulhern.

3360
03:17:14,312 --> 03:17:19,712
Could you restate what your motion would have been?

3361
03:17:27,520 --> 03:17:27,552
>> Yeah.

3362
03:17:27,552 --> 03:17:32,120
My motion would have been to move forward

3363
03:17:32,120 --> 03:17:35,120
with the recommended action regarding

3364
03:17:35,412 --> 03:17:40,212
the County electronic health record usage contract providers.

3365
03:17:40,840 --> 03:17:46,592
The request for the recommended action was to provide direction.

3366
03:17:46,592 --> 03:17:49,978
My direction would have been to create an ad hoc

3367
03:17:49,978 --> 03:17:51,412
of Supervisor Williams.

3368
03:17:51,412 --> 03:17:55,120
To work with Behavioral Health Department.

3369
03:17:55,432 --> 03:17:59,664
And the providers to determine whether or not

3370
03:17:59,664 --> 03:18:02,728
moving forward with an only avatar

3371
03:18:02,728 --> 03:18:04,345
model versus a hybrid model.

3372
03:18:04,345 --> 03:18:06,845
What the recommendation from the Board of Supervisors ad hoc

3373
03:18:06,845 --> 03:18:07,678
would be.

3374
03:18:07,678 --> 03:18:08,992
Thank you.

3375
03:18:08,992 --> 03:18:09,882
Supervisor client.

3376
03:18:09,882 --> 03:18:11,549
>> I would be supportive of that action.

3377
03:18:11,549 --> 03:18:14,549
Maybe you would or not?

3378
03:18:14,672 --> 03:18:16,672
I would to.

3379
03:18:17,456 --> 03:18:18,384
Supervisor.

3380
03:18:18,384 --> 03:18:21,317
Well I'm not in support of that.

3381
03:18:21,317 --> 03:18:23,445
I don't want to be on that ad hoc.

3382
03:18:23,445 --> 03:18:26,152
I don't have an expert.

3383
03:18:26,152 --> 03:18:27,552
Okay.

3384
03:18:27,552 --> 03:18:29,292
>> So, yes.

3385
03:18:29,292 --> 03:18:30,735
Supervisor Williams.

3386
03:18:30,735 --> 03:18:31,568
>> Not unsupportive.

3387
03:18:31,568 --> 03:18:33,928
I think supervisor has a good idea.

3388
03:18:33,928 --> 03:18:36,472
My only concern is I don't want to sign

3389
03:18:36,472 --> 03:18:40,312
a contract for 12 months come up before the hybrid system.

3390
03:18:40,312 --> 03:18:43,312
We don't know the answers.

3391
03:18:43,538 --> 03:18:44,710
>> Right.

3392
03:18:44,710 --> 03:18:45,360
Maybe after some fact finding.

3393
03:18:45,360 --> 03:18:47,718
We find there's a solution to use avatar for everyone.

3394
03:18:47,718 --> 03:18:51,123
I don't want to put that off for a year.

3395
03:18:51,123 --> 03:18:55,920
This idea of passing a contract today until June of 27.

3396
03:18:55,920 --> 03:18:59,480
Doing the fact finding and coming back trying to amend it.

3397
03:18:59,480 --> 03:19:00,958
Doesn't seem like the best flow.

3398
03:19:00,958 --> 03:19:02,875
It would be better to get that answered first.

3399
03:19:02,875 --> 03:19:06,662
That's what I think supervisor approach of three month

3400
03:19:06,662 --> 03:19:08,745
extension basically so we can do the fact finding.

3401
03:19:08,745 --> 03:19:10,271
Can reach the right answer.

3402
03:19:10,271 --> 03:19:14,832
Put pressure on everyone to get to that answer soon.

3403
03:19:14,832 --> 03:19:16,298
>> Okay.

3404
03:19:16,298 --> 03:19:17,392
If

3405
03:19:17,392 --> 03:19:18,472
>> If I may?

3406
03:19:18,472 --> 03:19:20,500
>> Yes.

3407
03:19:20,500 --> 03:19:22,912
>> The motion that's on the table for supervisor Haschak

3408
03:19:22,912 --> 03:19:26,444
does not create the ad hoc that the motion itself is

3409
03:19:26,444 --> 03:19:26,944
referencing.

3410
03:19:26,944 --> 03:19:30,485
A creation of an ad hoc I believe,

3411
03:19:30,485 --> 03:19:34,289
would be needed to make, would need

3412
03:19:34,289 --> 03:19:36,658
to be in the motion to make the ad hoc.

3413
03:19:36,658 --> 03:19:39,658
Is that correct County Council?

3414
03:19:45,990 --> 03:19:49,178
>> Couldn't the chair create the ad hoc after the vote?

3415
03:19:49,178 --> 03:19:51,270
>> If I could?

3416
03:19:51,270 --> 03:19:52,532
There's debate on this.

3417
03:19:52,532 --> 03:19:55,778
There's also preference of your clerk of the board.

3418
03:19:55,778 --> 03:19:59,232
The preference is that it's part of the motion,

3419
03:19:59,232 --> 03:20:03,432
in order to track it more successfully.

3420
03:20:07,327 --> 03:20:08,577
>> Through the chair if I may.

3421
03:20:08,577 --> 03:20:10,170
Isn't there rules and procedures I believe that an ad hoc

3422
03:20:10,170 --> 03:20:11,185
must be formed in a motion.

3423
03:20:11,185 --> 03:20:12,598
Thank you for that.

3424
03:20:12,598 --> 03:20:14,152
My understanding as well.

3425
03:20:14,152 --> 03:20:16,152
Supervisor Mulhern.

3426
03:20:16,205 --> 03:20:19,805
Supervisor Haschek has stated he doesn't.

3427
03:20:20,152 --> 03:20:22,733
I don't want to put you on the hot seat here.

3428
03:20:22,733 --> 03:20:24,698
I would challenge anybody.

3429
03:20:24,698 --> 03:20:28,672
Certainly in this room -- or at the county aside from Doctor

3430
03:20:28,672 --> 03:20:29,756
Miller and her staff.

3431
03:20:29,756 --> 03:20:31,824
To have a better understanding of the system

3432
03:20:31,824 --> 03:20:33,744
a behavioral health and substance abuse.

3433
03:20:33,744 --> 03:20:34,992
All of that.

3434
03:20:34,992 --> 03:20:39,192
So, whether this motion passes or not,

3435
03:20:40,212 --> 03:20:43,537
we are going to need an ad hoc.

3436
03:20:43,537 --> 03:20:51,937
I would ask for you as well as Supervisor Williams to be on it.

3437
03:20:53,547 --> 03:20:55,255
>> I'm not in favor of supervisor motion.

3438
03:20:55,255 --> 03:20:59,520
More in support of yours, if that helps.

3439
03:20:59,520 --> 03:21:01,520
So

3440
03:21:02,180 --> 03:21:06,434
>> I have to say I have got some confusion here premature people

3441
03:21:06,434 --> 03:21:08,196
saying they would like to make a motion.

3442
03:21:08,196 --> 03:21:09,872
I don't know.

3443
03:21:09,872 --> 03:21:11,722
>> We do have a first and a second.

3444
03:21:11,722 --> 03:21:13,582
We're having a discussion on the motion.

3445
03:21:13,582 --> 03:21:15,249
The discussion right now is around who's

3446
03:21:15,249 --> 03:21:18,312
going to be on the ad hoc.

3447
03:21:18,312 --> 03:21:22,552
>> So who made -- >> Supervisor Haschak was the first.

3448
03:21:22,552 --> 03:21:24,498
Supervisor Williams was the second.

3449
03:21:24,498 --> 03:21:26,498
Supervisor Haschak.

3450
03:21:26,552 --> 03:21:29,242
>> With that, I would just say --

3451
03:21:29,242 --> 03:21:31,426
if we are going to form an ad hoc,

3452
03:21:31,426 --> 03:21:34,402
let's form an ad hoc with Supervisor Williams.

3453
03:21:34,402 --> 03:21:36,402
And, supervisor Mulheren.

3454
03:21:42,866 --> 03:21:43,366
>> Okay.

3455
03:21:43,366 --> 03:21:46,320
>> Can I get one more clarifying question?

3456
03:21:46,320 --> 03:21:47,112
>> Yes.

3457
03:21:47,112 --> 03:21:49,612
>> If this motion passes we're bringing this back at the end

3458
03:21:49,612 --> 03:21:52,792
of the day which is likely past 630 or 7:00?

3459
03:21:52,792 --> 03:21:54,885
>> I think that would be the best route.

3460
03:21:54,885 --> 03:21:56,152
Supervisor Mulhern.

3461
03:21:56,152 --> 03:21:56,652
>> Yeah.

3462
03:21:56,652 --> 03:21:57,792
Just for clarification.

3463
03:21:57,792 --> 03:22:00,688
Supervisor motion passes behavioral health staff

3464
03:22:00,688 --> 03:22:03,312
will have to go back and revise contracts.

3465
03:22:03,312 --> 03:22:05,541
Have to get approval to change the three months.

3466
03:22:05,541 --> 03:22:07,541
If that happens.

3467
03:22:08,952 --> 03:22:10,876
>> Supervisor?

3468
03:22:10,876 --> 03:22:11,376
>> Chair.

3469
03:22:11,376 --> 03:22:14,559
We basically have some pulling of the motion, you know,

3470
03:22:14,559 --> 03:22:16,172
before we vote?

3471
03:22:16,172 --> 03:22:17,302
>> We can.

3472
03:22:17,302 --> 03:22:20,776
I think my understanding is we are at least 3 to 2 in favor

3473
03:22:20,776 --> 03:22:22,776
of Supervisor Mulhern's.

3474
03:22:22,818 --> 03:22:25,818
Does that satisfy your question?

3475
03:22:25,952 --> 03:22:26,452
>> Yes.

3476
03:22:26,452 --> 03:22:27,472
Thank you.

3477
03:22:27,472 --> 03:22:31,720
>> We will vote by the >> Yes.

3478
03:22:31,767 --> 03:22:33,184
>> Chair if I may clarification --

3479
03:22:33,184 --> 03:22:38,174
did the maker and the second want to add the creation

3480
03:22:38,174 --> 03:22:44,272
of the ad hoc to the motion that's being voted on currently?

3481
03:22:44,272 --> 03:22:46,320
>> Yes.

3482
03:22:46,320 --> 03:22:47,507
>> For clarification of the record,

3483
03:22:47,507 --> 03:22:50,872
was that Supervisor Williams and Supervisor Mulhern?

3484
03:22:50,872 --> 03:22:51,932
>> Yes.

3485
03:22:51,932 --> 03:22:54,765
Supervisor Williams has a second.

3486
03:22:54,765 --> 03:22:55,634
>> Yes.

3487
03:22:55,634 --> 03:22:56,134
>> Okay.

3488
03:22:56,134 --> 03:22:59,134
Will vote by the button.

3489
03:23:12,770 --> 03:23:14,127
>> The motion.

3490
03:23:14,127 --> 03:23:18,327
The motion supervisor supervisor Mulhern and supervisor .

3491
03:23:24,265 --> 03:23:26,432
>> Supervisor supervisor Mulhern recommended action.

3492
03:23:26,432 --> 03:23:27,807
Motion for the recommended action

3493
03:23:27,807 --> 03:23:30,720
to accept the presentation from health and Recovery

3494
03:23:30,720 --> 03:23:32,312
services regarding specialty mental health services

3495
03:23:32,312 --> 03:23:34,632
behavioral Health services act.

3496
03:23:34,632 --> 03:23:37,822
And provide direction to staff regarding the County

3497
03:23:37,822 --> 03:23:40,645
electronic health record to create an ad hoc supervisor

3498
03:23:40,645 --> 03:23:42,222
Smallhorn and Williams.

3499
03:23:42,222 --> 03:23:45,952
Bring back a recommendation to the board.

3500
03:23:45,952 --> 03:23:50,752
Of fully implementing avatar with our entire system.

3501
03:23:51,764 --> 03:23:54,764
Or creating a hybrid model.

3502
03:23:54,952 --> 03:23:55,912
>> Second.

3503
03:23:55,912 --> 03:23:57,282
>> First by Supervisor Mulhern.

3504
03:23:57,282 --> 03:23:58,792
Seconded by Klein.

3505
03:23:58,792 --> 03:24:00,352
Supervisor.

3506
03:24:00,352 --> 03:24:01,728
>> If I may to the chair.

3507
03:24:01,728 --> 03:24:05,632
Is it an approval of the contracts?

3508
03:24:05,632 --> 03:24:07,450
>> Supervisor.

3509
03:24:07,450 --> 03:24:11,712
>> I think there needs to be a time set for bringing it back.

3510
03:24:11,712 --> 03:24:13,538
It's not open ended.

3511
03:24:13,538 --> 03:24:15,592
>> Thank you supervisor Williams.

3512
03:24:15,592 --> 03:24:16,218
>> Yeah.

3513
03:24:16,218 --> 03:24:18,120
Just to clarify a question.

3514
03:24:18,120 --> 03:24:25,450
Do we foresee -- this decision that's made about how to move

3515
03:24:25,450 --> 03:24:26,752
forward on health records?

3516
03:24:26,752 --> 03:24:30,352
Impacting the next contract after June 2027?

3517
03:24:31,352 --> 03:24:35,980
Where do we say that information happiness renegotiate

3518
03:24:35,980 --> 03:24:36,637
with the providers?

3519
03:24:36,637 --> 03:24:38,487
The contract?

3520
03:24:38,487 --> 03:24:44,420
So for the ad hoc is formed -- and the answer comes back in two

3521
03:24:44,420 --> 03:24:44,920
months.

3522
03:24:44,920 --> 03:24:46,296
The board supports it.

3523
03:24:46,296 --> 03:24:49,192
Will we be renegotiating a couple of months in?

3524
03:24:49,192 --> 03:24:51,560
Or will we be seeing that takes effect

3525
03:24:51,560 --> 03:24:54,312
at the end of the contract?

3526
03:24:54,312 --> 03:24:57,112
>> I think that will be a recommendation that the ad hoc

3527
03:24:57,112 --> 03:24:57,970
brings back.

3528
03:24:57,970 --> 03:25:00,120
In consultation with behavioral Health Department

3529
03:25:00,120 --> 03:25:01,950
and the service providers.

3530
03:25:01,950 --> 03:25:03,632
I think at this point everybody understands

3531
03:25:03,632 --> 03:25:05,582
the direction of the Board of Supervisors

3532
03:25:05,582 --> 03:25:07,248
was to get everybody on to avatar.

3533
03:25:07,248 --> 03:25:08,998
We were going to have a conversation about

3534
03:25:08,998 --> 03:25:10,858
whether or not the hybrid model continues.

3535
03:25:10,858 --> 03:25:14,418
If the recommendation is that we go to avatar

3536
03:25:14,418 --> 03:25:17,442
and the entire board approves that action,

3537
03:25:17,442 --> 03:25:20,632
the contractors are aware that is

3538
03:25:20,632 --> 03:25:24,832
something that could potentially impact their contracts.

3539
03:25:26,320 --> 03:25:26,859
>> Okay.

3540
03:25:26,859 --> 03:25:29,192
>> I have a follow up question for county counsel County

3541
03:25:29,192 --> 03:25:34,144
counsel agree that we are able to amend the contract after both

3542
03:25:34,144 --> 03:25:37,538
parties sign and they perform services we pay within that year

3543
03:25:37,538 --> 03:25:39,458
period?

3544
03:25:39,458 --> 03:25:41,390
>> So that was my concern.

3545
03:25:41,390 --> 03:25:44,492
In terms of both parties signed this contract.

3546
03:25:44,492 --> 03:25:46,212
It's very large contract.

3547
03:25:46,212 --> 03:25:50,414
I was trying to look at it at the last second.

3548
03:25:50,414 --> 03:25:53,200
I'm concerned in terms of the procedure.

3549
03:25:53,200 --> 03:25:59,200
Usually, we can't just amend, unless we get their agreement.

3550
03:25:59,248 --> 03:26:05,528
If they say no, we don't have any recourse until the contract

3551
03:26:05,528 --> 03:26:09,728
ends and start of the next fiscal >>

3552
03:26:10,802 --> 03:26:12,100
Thank you supervisor Haschak.

3553
03:26:12,100 --> 03:26:12,641
>> Two things.

3554
03:26:12,641 --> 03:26:14,872
One is the composition of the ad hoc.

3555
03:26:14,872 --> 03:26:16,872
Hasn't been clarified.

3556
03:26:17,122 --> 03:26:23,722
The other is why wouldn't we go to a shortened contract

3557
03:26:25,672 --> 03:26:28,912
can the maker kind of explain that?

3558
03:26:28,912 --> 03:26:30,740
>> Supervisor client.

3559
03:26:30,740 --> 03:26:32,532
>> I believe we had a comment from a director of behavioral

3560
03:26:32,532 --> 03:26:33,712
health director.

3561
03:26:33,712 --> 03:26:36,340
>> I believe all of our contracts have termination

3562
03:26:36,340 --> 03:26:36,840
clauses.

3563
03:26:36,840 --> 03:26:39,312
We can term without cause.

3564
03:26:39,312 --> 03:26:43,512
I would say if they didn't want to amend.

3565
03:26:43,512 --> 03:26:45,296
We were saying you had to be an avatar.

3566
03:26:45,296 --> 03:26:46,772
We would have the ability to give

3567
03:26:46,772 --> 03:26:49,320
a 45 day notice of termination.

3568
03:26:49,320 --> 03:26:52,850
I just want to make sure that all of our contracts

3569
03:26:52,850 --> 03:26:53,872
have term clauses.

3570
03:26:53,872 --> 03:26:57,752
>> My comment has been, we have two of the service providers

3571
03:26:57,752 --> 03:26:58,798
represented here today.

3572
03:26:58,798 --> 03:27:01,378
We could do a litmus test for if they

3573
03:27:01,378 --> 03:27:04,327
are agreeable to this process.

3574
03:27:04,327 --> 03:27:07,920
Two supervisor hash and supervisor Williams point.

3575
03:27:07,920 --> 03:27:12,672
Make sure this is an okay process with our partners.

3576
03:27:12,672 --> 03:27:14,232
>> Seeing nodding heads.

3577
03:27:14,232 --> 03:27:15,932
Supervisor Mulhern.

3578
03:27:15,932 --> 03:27:18,932
Did you have a question?

3579
03:27:20,152 --> 03:27:20,992
Okay.

3580
03:27:20,992 --> 03:27:25,192
Miss Bearden can you reread the motion?

3581
03:27:25,618 --> 03:27:27,618
You can't.

3582
03:27:28,218 --> 03:27:30,562
>> To the chair if I may.

3583
03:27:30,562 --> 03:27:33,672
I am missing if portions that I was

3584
03:27:33,672 --> 03:27:35,912
going to go back and look at.

3585
03:27:35,912 --> 03:27:37,233
If you could restate it.

3586
03:27:37,233 --> 03:27:38,938
I could fill in that portion.

3587
03:27:38,938 --> 03:27:40,938
>> I cannot.

3588
03:27:41,272 --> 03:27:43,672
>> Miss Mulhern can you?

3589
03:27:43,712 --> 03:27:46,952
>> The motion is to approve the recommendation,

3590
03:27:46,952 --> 03:27:51,720
recommended action from the Behavioral Health and Recovery

3591
03:27:51,720 --> 03:27:52,452
Services Department.

3592
03:27:52,452 --> 03:27:55,185
And the direction to staff regarding the county

3593
03:27:55,185 --> 03:27:57,392
electronic health record is to create an ad hoc

3594
03:27:57,392 --> 03:27:59,160
of supervisors Mulhern and Williams.

3595
03:27:59,160 --> 03:28:03,212
To bring back for consideration to the board full implementation

3596
03:28:03,212 --> 03:28:06,232
of avatar versus the hybrid model.

3597
03:28:06,232 --> 03:28:09,232
A recommendation to the board.

3598
03:28:14,127 --> 03:28:14,960
>> The second agree.

3599
03:28:14,960 --> 03:28:15,627
>> Second agree.

3600
03:28:15,627 --> 03:28:18,214
Second being supervisor hashtag you have a client on a motion?

3601
03:28:18,214 --> 03:28:18,714
>> Yeah.

3602
03:28:18,714 --> 03:28:20,289
Is there going to be a time limit

3603
03:28:20,289 --> 03:28:23,289
to bring back a recommendation?

3604
03:28:23,792 --> 03:28:25,792
>> No.

3605
03:28:26,180 --> 03:28:29,180
>> As soon as it's finished.

3606
03:28:29,720 --> 03:28:30,125
>> Yes.

3607
03:28:30,125 --> 03:28:31,123
>> Okay.

3608
03:28:31,123 --> 03:28:31,665
>> All right.

3609
03:28:31,665 --> 03:28:32,707
We have first and second.

3610
03:28:32,707 --> 03:28:36,307
We will go by the button.

3611
03:28:41,972 --> 03:28:43,389
>> The motion carries unanimously.

3612
03:28:43,389 --> 03:28:44,672
>> Thank you.

3613
03:28:44,672 --> 03:28:47,720
Thank you Miss Miller.

3614
03:28:51,112 --> 03:28:53,112
Yeah.

3615
03:29:06,312 --> 03:29:08,200
>> I think that was assumed the contract.

3616
03:29:08,200 --> 03:29:08,659
I haven't yet.

3617
03:29:08,659 --> 03:29:09,782
I was just looking.

3618
03:29:09,782 --> 03:29:12,182
I think we are. .

3619
03:29:18,639 --> 03:29:19,139
>> Miss.?

3620
03:29:19,139 --> 03:29:19,840
We have a time session for close.

3621
03:29:19,840 --> 03:29:22,105
>> If I may to the chair we do not have a time session

3622
03:29:22,105 --> 03:29:22,730
for the closed.

3623
03:29:22,730 --> 03:29:25,938
We have a time session being back and open at 130.

3624
03:29:25,938 --> 03:29:26,685
>> Okay.

3625
03:29:26,685 --> 03:29:28,845
>> For the Rotax items.

3626
03:29:28,845 --> 03:29:29,401
>> Okay.

3627
03:29:29,401 --> 03:29:34,312
We've got come on we can knock out a couple other things here.

3628
03:29:34,312 --> 03:29:35,432
>> Yes we can.

3629
03:29:35,432 --> 03:29:37,767
We do have a closed session though.

3630
03:29:37,767 --> 03:29:40,912
Which I think will take about half an hour.

3631
03:29:40,912 --> 03:29:42,618
>> That's not timed.

3632
03:29:42,618 --> 03:29:44,816
Is a preference from the board?

3633
03:29:44,816 --> 03:29:49,112
Do you want to knock some more work out now?

3634
03:29:49,112 --> 03:29:51,112
Okay.

3635
03:29:55,250 --> 03:29:57,400
>> We will need a little break though for staff for lunch

3636
03:29:57,400 --> 03:29:58,912
as well.

3637
03:29:58,912 --> 03:29:59,618
>> Right.

3638
03:29:59,618 --> 03:30:02,720
What time is the time to?

3639
03:30:02,720 --> 03:30:03,832
130?

3640
03:30:03,832 --> 03:30:05,512
>> Closed will be about a half hour.

3641
03:30:05,512 --> 03:30:06,568
>> Another 20 minutes.

3642
03:30:06,568 --> 03:30:07,912
Does that work?

3643
03:30:07,912 --> 03:30:08,992
>> It does.

3644
03:30:08,992 --> 03:30:11,772
Staff needs a lunch break.

3645
03:30:11,772 --> 03:30:13,512
>> You will keep us on track?

3646
03:30:13,512 --> 03:30:14,612
Thank you.

3647
03:30:14,612 --> 03:30:16,612
All right.

3648
03:30:23,857 --> 03:30:25,107
>> If I may through the chair.

3649
03:30:25,107 --> 03:30:26,607
We're looking for an item come on we

3650
03:30:26,607 --> 03:30:29,120
can talk about the Board of Supervisors reports.

3651
03:30:29,120 --> 03:30:33,230
Or you can do the grand jury ad hoc.

3652
03:30:33,230 --> 03:30:33,898
>> Let's start there.

3653
03:30:33,898 --> 03:30:36,273
Are 13 discussion a possible action including appointment

3654
03:30:36,273 --> 03:30:40,192
of an ad hoc committee regarding the response to the 2526 Grand

3655
03:30:40,192 --> 03:30:43,820
jury reports common title from Policy to Practice.

3656
03:30:43,820 --> 03:30:45,392
Digging deeper into the Board of Supervisors

3657
03:30:45,392 --> 03:30:49,720
oversight of planning building services and continuity.

3658
03:30:49,720 --> 03:30:51,720
Compliance report.

3659
03:30:51,712 --> 03:30:53,712
Pardon me.

3660
03:30:54,632 --> 03:30:57,320
Pardon me pardon me.

3661
03:30:57,928 --> 03:30:59,928
My apologies.

3662
03:31:07,102 --> 03:31:07,644
>> Thank you.

3663
03:31:07,644 --> 03:31:07,903
Would the sponsor like to introduce the motion

3664
03:31:07,903 --> 03:31:10,303
to introduce the item?

3665
03:31:10,392 --> 03:31:12,272
>> Other than the title, no.

3666
03:31:12,272 --> 03:31:17,712
We do have an obligation to report back to the grand jury.

3667
03:31:17,712 --> 03:31:21,540
We need to form ad hoc to do that you and I were

3668
03:31:21,540 --> 03:31:21,832
the last two.

3669
03:31:21,832 --> 03:31:27,320
I prefer not to be on this one again.

3670
03:31:27,320 --> 03:31:32,485
I would, my only recommendation is that whatever the ad hoc

3671
03:31:32,485 --> 03:31:38,912
comes back with, it is on a regular and not consent.

3672
03:31:38,912 --> 03:31:40,912
>> Board discussion.

3673
03:31:41,320 --> 03:31:42,752
Supervisor?

3674
03:31:42,752 --> 03:31:43,652
>> Thank you.

3675
03:31:43,652 --> 03:31:47,385
I wanted to express my desire to see

3676
03:31:47,385 --> 03:31:50,894
at least some continuity from the last ad hoc

3677
03:31:50,894 --> 03:31:51,997
to this next ad hoc.

3678
03:31:51,997 --> 03:31:53,800
Maybe that's not possible.

3679
03:31:53,800 --> 03:31:54,974
I do think it would be important to have

3680
03:31:54,974 --> 03:31:58,778
someone who is involved with the last ad hoc, continue on.

3681
03:31:58,778 --> 03:32:01,602
And then I as individual do not have the bandwidth

3682
03:32:01,602 --> 03:32:03,158
to participate in this ad hoc.

3683
03:32:03,158 --> 03:32:06,332
I'm still healing from some medical stuff that caused

3684
03:32:06,332 --> 03:32:08,232
me to miss the last meeting.

3685
03:32:08,232 --> 03:32:11,832
Just preference that I cannot participate.

3686
03:32:18,795 --> 03:32:20,450
>> Let's go to public comment.

3687
03:32:20,450 --> 03:32:22,432
Any public comment in the room?

3688
03:32:22,432 --> 03:32:27,232
Those online can use the raised hand feature.

3689
03:32:35,939 --> 03:32:36,606
>> Good morning.

3690
03:32:36,606 --> 03:32:36,607
Afternoon.

3691
03:32:36,607 --> 03:32:37,649
D Harrison district five.

3692
03:32:37,649 --> 03:32:38,652
Hearing Ukiah.

3693
03:32:38,652 --> 03:32:40,512
There are several important issues

3694
03:32:40,512 --> 03:32:43,152
identified in this current grand jury report.

3695
03:32:43,152 --> 03:32:46,962
I believe the most critical is the failure to implement.

3696
03:32:46,962 --> 03:32:48,183
4290.

3697
03:32:48,183 --> 03:32:49,600
And California Code of Regulations

3698
03:32:49,600 --> 03:32:52,752
title 14 the state Minimum fire safe regulations.

3699
03:32:52,752 --> 03:32:55,168
I spoke to last year about the failure

3700
03:32:55,168 --> 03:32:56,768
by PBS to fully implement.

3701
03:32:56,768 --> 03:32:58,768
4290 and title 14.

3702
03:32:59,712 --> 03:33:01,696
Importance of you addressing this failure.

3703
03:33:01,696 --> 03:33:04,792
Response to my comments, Supervisor Williams

3704
03:33:04,792 --> 03:33:08,472
asked the Planning and Building director to respond.

3705
03:33:08,472 --> 03:33:10,780
Director Krog stated there appeared

3706
03:33:10,780 --> 03:33:11,592
to be a gap between the information

3707
03:33:11,592 --> 03:33:15,192
I received from Cal Fire com and what PBS had received

3708
03:33:15,192 --> 03:33:18,420
from supervisor Williams made the comment that we quote don't

3709
03:33:18,420 --> 03:33:20,720
want to leave this dangling.

3710
03:33:20,720 --> 03:33:23,552
Supervisor has stated quote we need to clear this up,

3711
03:33:23,552 --> 03:33:25,616
so everyone understanding is the same.

3712
03:33:25,616 --> 03:33:27,777
As a result, included in your motion

3713
03:33:27,777 --> 03:33:30,920
common clear direction to PBS to contact Cal Fire.

3714
03:33:30,920 --> 03:33:32,512
To get the necessary clarification

3715
03:33:32,512 --> 03:33:34,925
to fill these gaps comment to come back in a month

3716
03:33:34,925 --> 03:33:36,232
or so to report back.

3717
03:33:36,232 --> 03:33:38,872
Director Krog acknowledged this direction.

3718
03:33:38,872 --> 03:33:42,129
We never heard back from Director Krog on this item.

3719
03:33:42,129 --> 03:33:44,392
Now we have a new grand jury report

3720
03:33:44,392 --> 03:33:47,152
that indicates this is still an unaddressed problem.

3721
03:33:47,152 --> 03:33:49,402
As I shared at the last meeting comment

3722
03:33:49,402 --> 03:33:51,132
appears great strides are being made

3723
03:33:51,132 --> 03:33:53,980
to in fact implement recommendations

3724
03:33:53,980 --> 03:33:55,285
made in last year's report.

3725
03:33:55,285 --> 03:33:58,232
And yet come to nothing addresses the implementation of.

3726
03:33:58,232 --> 03:34:00,632
4290 title 14 in its entirety.

3727
03:34:01,125 --> 03:34:03,672
I did reach out to Cal Fire myself.

3728
03:34:03,672 --> 03:34:05,880
Both locally and at the state level.

3729
03:34:05,880 --> 03:34:09,520
Cal Fire clarified that one, the definition of preexisting

3730
03:34:09,520 --> 03:34:11,272
in the context of.

3731
03:34:11,272 --> 03:34:15,258
4290 and title 14 is any structure built prior to January

3732
03:34:15,258 --> 03:34:16,432
1st 1991.

3733
03:34:16,432 --> 03:34:21,272
In the SRA. In the very high fire Hazard Safety zone come

3734
03:34:21,272 --> 03:34:23,887
anything built after July 1st 2021.

3735
03:34:23,887 --> 03:34:28,232
And two common order for Cal Fire to conduct 4290 inspection,

3736
03:34:28,232 --> 03:34:29,712
they must receive an application.

3737
03:34:29,712 --> 03:34:33,205
And three a quote from Cal Fire official.

3738
03:34:33,205 --> 03:34:36,547
Is not our job due to the county how to do their job.

3739
03:34:36,547 --> 03:34:39,642
The two largest gaps I see here are one, the misinterpretation

3740
03:34:39,642 --> 03:34:41,708
of preexisting by the county.

3741
03:34:41,708 --> 03:34:43,685
And two, the counties not referring

3742
03:34:43,685 --> 03:34:45,352
all residential and commercial structure

3743
03:34:45,352 --> 03:34:47,376
permit applicants to Cal fire.

3744
03:34:47,376 --> 03:34:50,712
The state minimum fire safe regulations are very clear.

3745
03:34:50,712 --> 03:34:51,912
Suggest you read them.

3746
03:34:51,912 --> 03:34:53,912
Especially sections 1270 .04.

3747
03:34:55,320 --> 03:34:56,345
1270 .05.

3748
03:34:56,345 --> 03:34:59,945
1270 .04 States in part, the local jurisdiction

3749
03:35:00,872 --> 03:35:02,596
shall provide the Director of Cal Fire

3750
03:35:02,596 --> 03:35:04,722
with notice of applications for building permits,

3751
03:35:04,722 --> 03:35:07,872
for construction or development within the SRA.

3752
03:35:07,872 --> 03:35:11,752
The local jurisdiction shall ensure the applicable sections

3753
03:35:11,752 --> 03:35:15,320
of this subchapter become a condition of approval section

3754
03:35:15,320 --> 03:35:18,320
1270 .05 States in part, subchapter two

3755
03:35:18,424 --> 03:35:20,952
shall serve as a minimum wildfire protection

3756
03:35:20,952 --> 03:35:24,992
standards applied in the SRA. And the Very High Fire Hazard

3757
03:35:24,992 --> 03:35:25,808
Safety Zone.

3758
03:35:25,808 --> 03:35:28,501
Reminds you that since you are at the top of the command

3759
03:35:28,501 --> 03:35:31,792
structure, you are in fact our building official.

3760
03:35:31,792 --> 03:35:34,532
And the responsibility sits on your shoulders.

3761
03:35:34,532 --> 03:35:38,520
When those that you have delegated that authority to --

3762
03:35:38,520 --> 03:35:41,618
fail to fully and correctly interpret and implement state

3763
03:35:41,618 --> 03:35:45,112
law -- and so jeopardize the health and safety of all

3764
03:35:45,112 --> 03:35:47,512
Mendocino first responders and residents.

3765
03:35:47,512 --> 03:35:51,400
Of the Board of Supervisors to give clear direction

3766
03:35:51,400 --> 03:35:53,525
to that effect please do the right thing.

3767
03:35:53,525 --> 03:35:55,525
Thank you.

3768
03:35:59,781 --> 03:36:02,310
>> I'm not seeing any more public comment in the room.

3769
03:36:02,310 --> 03:36:02,224
No public comment online.

3770
03:36:02,224 --> 03:36:03,599
Back to the board for discussion.

3771
03:36:03,599 --> 03:36:05,599
Supervisor.

3772
03:36:06,938 --> 03:36:10,776
>> Well, I will acknowledge that the speaker had it correct.

3773
03:36:10,776 --> 03:36:16,125
We did give direction to have Cal Fire and Director

3774
03:36:16,125 --> 03:36:19,250
of Planning and Building come com and kind of address

3775
03:36:19,250 --> 03:36:20,412
this issue before us.

3776
03:36:20,412 --> 03:36:22,160
Kind of work it out.

3777
03:36:22,160 --> 03:36:23,712
That never happened.

3778
03:36:23,712 --> 03:36:25,712
You know.

3779
03:36:28,312 --> 03:36:29,569
That is on us.

3780
03:36:29,569 --> 03:36:33,769
We are not making sure that happens.

3781
03:36:43,300 --> 03:36:45,430
>> Is there a motion?

3782
03:36:49,317 --> 03:36:50,275
>> Go ahead supervisor.

3783
03:36:50,275 --> 03:36:50,676
>> I would like to ask supervisor Hashtag

3784
03:36:50,676 --> 03:36:53,505
if he's willing to serve as supervisor Williams on this ad

3785
03:36:53,505 --> 03:36:54,500
hoc.

3786
03:36:54,500 --> 03:36:58,205
And then I will make a motion.

3787
03:37:07,109 --> 03:37:07,609
>> Yeah.

3788
03:37:07,609 --> 03:37:07,613
I will do it.

3789
03:37:07,613 --> 03:37:08,912
>> I move that we appoint.

3790
03:37:08,912 --> 03:37:09,945
>> Go ahead.

3791
03:37:09,945 --> 03:37:10,778
>> I have a comment.

3792
03:37:10,778 --> 03:37:12,778
You go ahead.

3793
03:37:13,320 --> 03:37:17,292
>> I would like to appoint the supervisors Williams and Haschak

3794
03:37:17,292 --> 03:37:21,384
regarding response to the 25, 26 grand jury report from Policy

3795
03:37:21,384 --> 03:37:22,296
to Practice.

3796
03:37:22,296 --> 03:37:25,296
And the Continuity Compliance Report.

3797
03:37:25,392 --> 03:37:26,125
>> Second.

3798
03:37:26,125 --> 03:37:27,792
>> There's a first and there's a second.

3799
03:37:27,792 --> 03:37:30,192
I have a comment.

3800
03:37:30,992 --> 03:37:33,768
Our last ad hoc to work on this.

3801
03:37:33,768 --> 03:37:35,525
I found it extremely frustrating.

3802
03:37:35,525 --> 03:37:39,400
The dynamic between being guided by county counsel

3803
03:37:39,400 --> 03:37:43,104
and the grand jury being indicted by different county

3804
03:37:43,104 --> 03:37:44,632
Council works with us.

3805
03:37:44,632 --> 03:37:47,803
I don't want to experience that again.

3806
03:37:47,803 --> 03:37:51,192
If I'm on the ad hoc it should get

3807
03:37:51,192 --> 03:37:52,794
to the bottom of this comment come up

3808
03:37:52,794 --> 03:37:54,752
with what needs to be done and these solutions.

3809
03:37:54,752 --> 03:37:57,652
We couldn't make any progress last time.

3810
03:37:57,652 --> 03:37:58,854
The process.

3811
03:37:58,854 --> 03:38:02,596
Is this a repeat of the last go around?

3812
03:38:02,596 --> 03:38:05,720
Is this a problem that can't be solved by the grand jury

3813
03:38:05,720 --> 03:38:08,572
approach, that they generate a report?

3814
03:38:08,572 --> 03:38:10,720
All we can work with is that report.

3815
03:38:10,720 --> 03:38:12,672
We can have a dialog to clarify?

3816
03:38:12,672 --> 03:38:15,440
If there's specific cases that are called out,

3817
03:38:15,440 --> 03:38:16,211
we don't know what they are.

3818
03:38:16,211 --> 03:38:17,352
We can't get clarification.

3819
03:38:17,352 --> 03:38:18,936
We can't have a sit down.

3820
03:38:18,936 --> 03:38:21,200
All we can do is rely on our staff

3821
03:38:21,200 --> 03:38:22,702
to ask are we in compliance.

3822
03:38:22,702 --> 03:38:24,419
If our staff says yes come on we're

3823
03:38:24,419 --> 03:38:26,752
going to come back with a report that says we disagree.

3824
03:38:26,752 --> 03:38:27,879
We are in compliance.

3825
03:38:27,879 --> 03:38:29,712
We are going to have the same public comment

3826
03:38:29,712 --> 03:38:31,272
that we are not doing our job.

3827
03:38:31,272 --> 03:38:34,330
This county council needs to look

3828
03:38:34,330 --> 03:38:36,200
at how we can be productive at solving

3829
03:38:36,200 --> 03:38:39,200
the concerns at this time.

3830
03:38:47,155 --> 03:38:48,697
>> It's a bit of a compound question.

3831
03:38:48,697 --> 03:38:49,364
If I understand.

3832
03:38:49,364 --> 03:38:52,252
You are wanting to go beyond what your responses are

3833
03:38:52,252 --> 03:38:54,484
to have a dialog?

3834
03:38:54,484 --> 03:38:57,192
>> I don't want have a repeat of what we had last time we had two

3835
03:38:57,192 --> 03:38:58,896
supervisors trying to solve a problem.

3836
03:38:58,896 --> 03:39:00,768
And found that process didn't allow

3837
03:39:00,768 --> 03:39:02,832
us to do anything productive.

3838
03:39:02,832 --> 03:39:04,372
That's not going to be a good look

3839
03:39:04,372 --> 03:39:06,432
if we do that exercise again.

3840
03:39:06,432 --> 03:39:08,432
>> So in response.

3841
03:39:08,704 --> 03:39:09,912
Responses.

3842
03:39:09,912 --> 03:39:13,224
And how they are supposed to be prepared are laid out actually.

3843
03:39:13,224 --> 03:39:15,432
In the penal code.

3844
03:39:15,432 --> 03:39:17,832
In terms of what you do.

3845
03:39:17,832 --> 03:39:21,992
And, many times when a grand jury is doing investigations,

3846
03:39:21,992 --> 03:39:23,203
they ask questions.

3847
03:39:23,203 --> 03:39:25,812
I find a lot of times, departments

3848
03:39:25,812 --> 03:39:30,322
start to solve those problems by having questions asked.

3849
03:39:30,322 --> 03:39:32,416
Sometimes by the time a report gets

3850
03:39:32,416 --> 03:39:34,354
to the Board of Supervisors.

3851
03:39:34,354 --> 03:39:38,432
Some of the issues have been resolved.

3852
03:39:38,432 --> 03:39:41,240
There's different ways of doing it.

3853
03:39:41,240 --> 03:39:44,000
The Board of Supervisors can have an ad hoc.

3854
03:39:44,000 --> 03:39:46,762
Usually it's more staff based.

3855
03:39:46,762 --> 03:39:49,134
In terms of getting the answers etc..

3856
03:39:49,134 --> 03:39:51,432
And then would work with the Board of Supervisors

3857
03:39:51,432 --> 03:39:53,432
to finalize that.

3858
03:39:53,952 --> 03:39:57,454
The issues that are brought up in terms

3859
03:39:57,454 --> 03:40:00,243
of being able to move forward and do something,

3860
03:40:00,243 --> 03:40:01,785
would be something you might agendize

3861
03:40:01,785 --> 03:40:03,665
for a meeting in the future.

3862
03:40:03,665 --> 03:40:07,528
In terms of using the responses to the grand jury report,

3863
03:40:07,528 --> 03:40:11,320
it's fairly limited in terms of legally.

3864
03:40:11,320 --> 03:40:15,882
>> So one of the difficulties is the grand jury report is finding

3865
03:40:15,882 --> 03:40:19,948
that PBS isn't adequately compliant with state

3866
03:40:19,948 --> 03:40:20,504
regulations.

3867
03:40:20,504 --> 03:40:24,192
The ad hoc is going to ask the same staff.

3868
03:40:24,192 --> 03:40:25,822
Comply with state regulations?

3869
03:40:25,822 --> 03:40:27,791
I think that staff is going to say yes.

3870
03:40:27,791 --> 03:40:28,494
We are.

3871
03:40:28,494 --> 03:40:30,494
Then what?

3872
03:40:31,632 --> 03:40:34,592
>> Last time I went to the Cal Fire unit chief and asked can

3873
03:40:34,592 --> 03:40:35,840
you look at this.

3874
03:40:35,840 --> 03:40:39,440
We're are we doing something wrong?

3875
03:40:40,904 --> 03:40:42,237
If not I want to fix it help me.

3876
03:40:42,237 --> 03:40:44,820
The response I got was affirming that staff is doing it right.

3877
03:40:44,820 --> 03:40:49,632
Where do we go from here to be productive?

3878
03:40:49,632 --> 03:40:52,352
>> Again, I think working directly with the CEO's office

3879
03:40:52,352 --> 03:40:54,292
oversees the planning department,

3880
03:40:54,292 --> 03:40:55,968
would be very important.

3881
03:40:55,968 --> 03:40:58,368
And some follow up.

3882
03:40:59,320 --> 03:41:02,225
You've got a limited time in which you respond to these.

3883
03:41:02,225 --> 03:41:03,850
You might not get all of those answers.

3884
03:41:03,850 --> 03:41:09,365
You do actually have to rely on your staff for some of that.

3885
03:41:09,365 --> 03:41:14,496
>> So the board, do you want Williams and the on hag,

3886
03:41:14,496 --> 03:41:16,329
Williams and Norvell couldn't make progress.

3887
03:41:16,329 --> 03:41:19,250
I will do if you assign it to me somebody else

3888
03:41:19,250 --> 03:41:21,212
would like to take a swing at it, by all means.

3889
03:41:21,212 --> 03:41:23,418
>> I think the fact that you know the issues.

3890
03:41:23,418 --> 03:41:25,392
You pointed them out so clearly.

3891
03:41:25,392 --> 03:41:30,192
I would support you still being on there.

3892
03:41:36,178 --> 03:41:37,950
>> Supervisor Mulhern.

3893
03:41:37,950 --> 03:41:37,980
>> Thank you.

3894
03:41:37,980 --> 03:41:37,805
I think one of the challenging things for this particular issue

3895
03:41:37,805 --> 03:41:40,831
come is that Miss Hallinan has been coming to our meetings

3896
03:41:40,831 --> 03:41:42,157
and bringing to our attention.

3897
03:41:42,157 --> 03:41:44,272
She is not on the grand jury.

3898
03:41:44,272 --> 03:41:46,378
There's nothing that prevents any member

3899
03:41:46,378 --> 03:41:49,592
from the Board of Supervisors including Supervisor Williams,

3900
03:41:49,592 --> 03:41:50,776
from sitting down.

3901
03:41:50,776 --> 03:41:54,904
We could even have staff sit with,

3902
03:41:54,904 --> 03:41:56,632
there's nothing against the rules

3903
03:41:56,632 --> 03:42:00,885
that would allow us to have a conversation with a constituent.

3904
03:42:00,885 --> 03:42:03,285
Versus the statutory requirements

3905
03:42:03,770 --> 03:42:06,312
responding to the grand jury I agree with Supervisor Williams

3906
03:42:06,312 --> 03:42:07,405
is very frustrating.

3907
03:42:07,405 --> 03:42:08,488
Whatever requirements are.

3908
03:42:08,488 --> 03:42:10,140
To be clear --

3909
03:42:10,140 --> 03:42:12,712
any member of the Board of Supervisors

3910
03:42:12,712 --> 03:42:19,912
could meet with a member of the public that has a concern.

3911
03:42:23,778 --> 03:42:24,611
>> Supervisor Klein.

3912
03:42:24,611 --> 03:42:26,611
>> A follow up question for County Council based

3913
03:42:26,611 --> 03:42:27,992
on supervisor Williams questions.

3914
03:42:27,992 --> 03:42:30,463
As an individual in reading the report.

3915
03:42:30,463 --> 03:42:32,248
Not a part of the response.

3916
03:42:32,248 --> 03:42:35,232
Am I allowed to reach out to the grand jury

3917
03:42:35,232 --> 03:42:37,312
and ask to engage in conversation around

3918
03:42:37,312 --> 03:42:39,312
that specific report?

3919
03:42:45,769 --> 03:42:47,394
>> I want to give you this explanation.

3920
03:42:47,394 --> 03:42:48,192
This is something that persons don't understand

3921
03:42:48,192 --> 03:42:49,776
about the grand jury.

3922
03:42:49,776 --> 03:42:52,420
The grand jury they wrote their report does not

3923
03:42:52,420 --> 03:42:53,820
come in no longer exist.

3924
03:42:53,820 --> 03:42:55,592
They are gone.

3925
03:42:55,592 --> 03:42:57,512
They left you all.

3926
03:42:57,512 --> 03:42:59,216
You were there.

3927
03:42:59,216 --> 03:43:03,825
One report does not move to the other report.

3928
03:43:03,825 --> 03:43:07,370
In fact, they are prohibited from doing that.

3929
03:43:07,370 --> 03:43:10,472
I have two, when I work with department heads.

3930
03:43:10,472 --> 03:43:13,936
They get frustrated that the same questions come year to year

3931
03:43:13,936 --> 03:43:15,880
from grand juries.

3932
03:43:15,880 --> 03:43:19,232
I always explain, that's because each grand jury

3933
03:43:19,232 --> 03:43:21,342
has to start uniquely.

3934
03:43:21,342 --> 03:43:25,580
They don't carry over information from one jury

3935
03:43:25,580 --> 03:43:26,325
to the other.

3936
03:43:26,325 --> 03:43:29,800
Unless it's an ongoing investigation and therefore

3937
03:43:29,800 --> 03:43:33,152
if it was ongoing, you would not have received a report.

3938
03:43:33,152 --> 03:43:36,272
>> There is still continuity in some individuals that have

3939
03:43:36,272 --> 03:43:38,320
continued on the grand jury.

3940
03:43:38,320 --> 03:43:39,776
Even at the swearing in yesterday.

3941
03:43:39,776 --> 03:43:42,560
They spoke to how their reports are

3942
03:43:42,560 --> 03:43:44,765
reflected of their organization year after year.

3943
03:43:44,765 --> 03:43:49,272
So even if, maybe not every answer is complete.

3944
03:43:49,272 --> 03:43:51,723
My question is, am I allowed to go and reach out

3945
03:43:51,723 --> 03:43:52,536
to the grand jury?

3946
03:43:52,536 --> 03:43:57,936
And have a conversation with them about the report?

3947
03:44:01,721 --> 03:44:03,429
>> I don't really see a process for that.

3948
03:44:03,429 --> 03:44:05,887
They hearing this, they could reach out to the supervisors.

3949
03:44:05,887 --> 03:44:06,532
Absolutely.

3950
03:44:06,532 --> 03:44:09,320
>> Is there a prohibition in state law that doesn't allow me

3951
03:44:09,320 --> 03:44:10,435
from reaching out to them?

3952
03:44:10,435 --> 03:44:10,935
>> No.

3953
03:44:10,935 --> 03:44:12,152
There's no prohibition.

3954
03:44:12,152 --> 03:44:14,552
There's policies and procedures.

3955
03:44:14,968 --> 03:44:17,488
In terms of what they would follow.

3956
03:44:17,488 --> 03:44:20,652
The grand jury and the state rules.

3957
03:44:20,652 --> 03:44:21,780
>> Thank you.

3958
03:44:21,780 --> 03:44:23,572
>> Careful to not create a surreal meeting.

3959
03:44:23,572 --> 03:44:25,572
All right?

3960
03:44:30,947 --> 03:44:32,864
>> Again, they -- anyone supervisor could talk

3961
03:44:32,864 --> 03:44:34,920
to the grand juries.

3962
03:44:34,920 --> 03:44:38,192
Often grand jurors do meet with, and sometimes they

3963
03:44:38,192 --> 03:44:40,722
meet with all the departments.

3964
03:44:40,722 --> 03:44:43,402
That is something we did.

3965
03:44:43,402 --> 03:44:44,944
I would say in Nevada County.

3966
03:44:44,944 --> 03:44:47,952
They would set up meetings individually.

3967
03:44:47,952 --> 03:44:51,104
You could say to the grand jury, I

3968
03:44:51,104 --> 03:44:53,152
would appreciate being able to meet.

3969
03:44:53,152 --> 03:44:55,272
Could sort of figure out what their process

3970
03:44:55,272 --> 03:44:57,843
would be to do that.

3971
03:44:57,843 --> 03:45:00,243
They have various committees.

3972
03:45:00,425 --> 03:45:03,320
They have a very specific way of doing

3973
03:45:03,320 --> 03:45:05,392
this I'm not going to be offended if they tell me no.

3974
03:45:05,392 --> 03:45:07,350
I'm asking from County Council said.

3975
03:45:07,350 --> 03:45:09,116
There's something that is restrictive of me

3976
03:45:09,116 --> 03:45:12,716
as an individual supervisor reaching out?

3977
03:45:12,872 --> 03:45:13,874
>> Absolutely not.

3978
03:45:13,874 --> 03:45:14,416
>> All right.

3979
03:45:14,416 --> 03:45:15,124
There's a motion.

3980
03:45:15,124 --> 03:45:17,478
I'm not seeing any further discussion.

3981
03:45:17,478 --> 03:45:19,478
Supervisor Haschek.

3982
03:45:20,552 --> 03:45:23,648
>> Just to get clarity on what you're saying.

3983
03:45:23,648 --> 03:45:28,448
Each new grand jury files their own report.

3984
03:45:29,792 --> 03:45:32,812
This report that we have is a continuation

3985
03:45:32,812 --> 03:45:35,212
from the previous report.

3986
03:45:42,211 --> 03:45:44,753
>> So to better explain, they cannot pass the items that they

3987
03:45:44,753 --> 03:45:48,382
reviewed if they finalize the report, it's done.

3988
03:45:48,382 --> 03:45:51,520
None of the interviews or the investigation

3989
03:45:51,520 --> 03:45:54,552
move to the next grand jury.

3990
03:45:54,552 --> 03:45:59,376
What a grand jury can do is read the public report

3991
03:45:59,376 --> 03:46:01,787
that a previous grand jury did.

3992
03:46:01,787 --> 03:46:05,538
And then conduct all of its own interviews and investigation

3993
03:46:05,538 --> 03:46:08,352
before releasing the new report.

3994
03:46:08,352 --> 03:46:11,752
That is where that continuity comes with.

3995
03:46:11,752 --> 03:46:14,258
I'm just trying to explain what the process is.

3996
03:46:14,258 --> 03:46:16,258
It's not misconstrued.

3997
03:46:23,298 --> 03:46:25,965
>> So what you're saying is they recommendations came from a new

3998
03:46:25,965 --> 03:46:28,965
round of interviews and everything?

3999
03:46:30,378 --> 03:46:32,596
>> A new round from the year before.

4000
03:46:32,596 --> 03:46:33,240
Yes.

4001
03:46:33,240 --> 03:46:38,592
That grand jury that issued that report in practicality

4002
03:46:38,592 --> 03:46:40,592
no longer exist.

4003
03:46:40,952 --> 03:46:45,752
Although many of the numbers are still there.

4004
03:46:50,515 --> 03:46:51,570
>> All right.

4005
03:46:51,570 --> 03:46:54,570
Let's vote by the button.

4006
03:46:56,820 --> 03:46:58,237
>> The motion carries unanimously.

4007
03:46:58,237 --> 03:46:58,240
>> Thank you.

4008
03:46:58,240 --> 03:46:58,682
We are going to move to closed session

4009
03:46:58,682 --> 03:47:00,392
I believe we just have one item CS1

4010
03:47:00,392 --> 03:47:01,802
that we are going to go to now.

4011
03:47:01,802 --> 03:47:03,298
Is that correct?

4012
03:47:03,298 --> 03:47:09,898
>> If I may to the chair, >> Thank you item c one.

4013
03:47:11,269 --> 03:47:12,352
Any public comment on CS1?

4014
03:47:12,352 --> 03:47:14,352
Madam clerk?

4015
03:47:14,912 --> 03:47:16,100
>> Seeing none.

4016
03:47:16,100 --> 03:47:16,600
>> Okay.

4017
03:47:16,600 --> 03:47:17,832
We'll go into closed.

4018
03:47:17,832 --> 03:47:20,152
We will return no sooner than 130.

4019
03:47:20,152 --> 03:47:22,320
Correct?

4020
03:47:22,320 --> 03:47:24,320
>> Correct.

4021
04:33:56,497 --> 04:33:58,914
>> You can hazards where you work where you live and where

4022
04:33:58,914 --> 04:33:59,726
your kids go to school.

4023
04:33:59,726 --> 04:34:02,274
Only plan and prepare page you will find the plan template.

4024
04:34:02,274 --> 04:34:03,364
It's important to know what you're

4025
04:34:03,364 --> 04:34:05,120
going to do what you're going to take with you.

4026
04:34:05,120 --> 04:34:06,374
How you're going to communicate.

4027
04:34:06,374 --> 04:34:07,416
Where you're going to go.

4028
04:34:07,416 --> 04:34:08,594
How to get there.

4029
04:34:08,594 --> 04:34:10,881
>> One great way to prepare is to pack a go bag.

4030
04:34:10,881 --> 04:34:13,340
Each member of your family should have their own go bag.

4031
04:34:13,340 --> 04:34:17,493
Visit our website Mendel.org to get a list of items

4032
04:34:17,493 --> 04:34:19,674
that should be in your go bag.

4033
04:34:19,674 --> 04:34:21,924
>> Gathering and organizing important documents before

4034
04:34:21,924 --> 04:34:24,945
an emergency is an important part of preparedness.

4035
04:34:24,945 --> 04:34:26,640
Visit ready.org today.

4036
04:34:26,640 --> 04:34:29,420
Where you could find a list of important documents

4037
04:34:29,420 --> 04:34:32,194
that you should have ready near your go bag in case

4038
04:34:32,194 --> 04:34:33,674
you have to evacuate.

4039
04:34:33,674 --> 04:34:36,633
>> Not every emergency requires people to evacuate.

4040
04:34:36,633 --> 04:34:39,394
An emergency kit will have supplies for you

4041
04:34:39,394 --> 04:34:42,394
to remain self-sufficient for 72 hours.

4042
04:34:42,473 --> 04:34:46,274
Find a list of supplies for disaster kits on our website.

4043
04:34:46,274 --> 04:34:48,274
Dot org.

4044
04:34:48,714 --> 04:34:51,794
>> A prepared community is a community.

4045
04:34:51,794 --> 04:34:52,548
>> It's 132.

4046
04:34:52,548 --> 04:34:55,761
As far as closed session item CS one.

4047
04:34:55,761 --> 04:34:57,582
Direction was given by the board to staff.

4048
04:34:57,582 --> 04:35:02,447
We are going to move on to item R 11.

4049
04:35:02,447 --> 04:35:04,633
Discussion and possible action including

4050
04:35:04,633 --> 04:35:06,614
adoption of an ordinance adding chapters.

4051
04:35:06,614 --> 04:35:11,600
Excuse me chapter 51602 title five com of the County Code

4052
04:35:11,600 --> 04:35:13,700
imposing 1% County transportation

4053
04:35:13,700 --> 04:35:16,410
sales tax and use special tax, in the unincorporated areas

4054
04:35:16,410 --> 04:35:18,617
of the county, with said tax being

4055
04:35:18,617 --> 04:35:20,340
used to fund pavement preservation

4056
04:35:20,340 --> 04:35:22,313
and corrective maintenance for county roads

4057
04:35:22,313 --> 04:35:24,713
to improve road maintenance.

4058
04:35:25,514 --> 04:35:26,234
Staffing.

4059
04:35:26,234 --> 04:35:28,234
Public transportation.

4060
04:35:29,340 --> 04:35:30,514
>> Good afternoon Mr. Chair.

4061
04:35:30,514 --> 04:35:31,914
Ladies and of the board.

4062
04:35:31,914 --> 04:35:32,844
I'm Howard Deshield.

4063
04:35:32,844 --> 04:35:34,470
Your Director of Transportation.

4064
04:35:34,470 --> 04:35:38,937
With me here today is deputy Director solid Waste and Water

4065
04:35:38,937 --> 04:35:40,490
Amber cassette.

4066
04:35:40,490 --> 04:35:43,649
Deputy director for our engineering division.

4067
04:35:44,340 --> 04:35:45,200
Alicia Winokur.

4068
04:35:45,200 --> 04:35:49,194
They are going to be, they work extensively

4069
04:35:49,194 --> 04:35:50,954
on the detailed slides.

4070
04:35:50,954 --> 04:35:54,207
For the public and the boards information.

4071
04:35:54,207 --> 04:35:59,870
The attachments with the item today, are kind of the line

4072
04:35:59,870 --> 04:36:01,526
by line budget analysis for ten years.

4073
04:36:01,526 --> 04:36:03,594
That's what you're looking at now.

4074
04:36:03,594 --> 04:36:06,376
And then the other attachment we have --

4075
04:36:06,376 --> 04:36:11,194
is they look at the first seven years of what I will define

4076
04:36:11,194 --> 04:36:14,993
later during the slide show, as a 20 year plan.

4077
04:36:14,993 --> 04:36:17,514
The corrective preventative maintenance plan.

4078
04:36:17,514 --> 04:36:19,598
I just want the public and the board

4079
04:36:19,598 --> 04:36:21,565
to know, we can go back to this detail,

4080
04:36:21,565 --> 04:36:24,722
if we want to get into the details.

4081
04:36:24,722 --> 04:36:27,874
With that, I really want to go to the presentation.

4082
04:36:27,874 --> 04:36:31,508
I know the board time is short today.

4083
04:36:31,508 --> 04:36:34,993
I want to do this as a quick overview.

4084
04:36:34,993 --> 04:36:38,266
Just know that we can address specifics, and get

4085
04:36:38,266 --> 04:36:39,514
into the details.

4086
04:36:39,514 --> 04:36:40,656
It's all there for you.

4087
04:36:40,656 --> 04:36:43,170
The other thing I want to say for the sake of the public.

4088
04:36:43,170 --> 04:36:45,170
I know the board knows this.

4089
04:36:45,170 --> 04:36:49,762
At the county website for the Department of Transportation,

4090
04:36:49,762 --> 04:36:53,178
we have a tab for current projects.

4091
04:36:53,178 --> 04:36:57,725
And the current projects tab, you can find the 20 year plan.

4092
04:36:57,725 --> 04:37:01,964
You can find all our projects that department engaged in.

4093
04:37:01,964 --> 04:37:06,164
The bridges and the safe busses schools.

4094
04:37:06,984 --> 04:37:09,984
The traffic safety mitigation plans.

4095
04:37:10,254 --> 04:37:14,894
Or projects that we funded through grants from the public

4096
04:37:14,894 --> 04:37:17,154
can always go there and look.

4097
04:37:17,154 --> 04:37:22,211
Also specific to this potential local sales tax for roads,

4098
04:37:22,211 --> 04:37:25,114
we have a tab there that is called

4099
04:37:25,114 --> 04:37:27,460
potential sales tax for roads.

4100
04:37:27,460 --> 04:37:30,460
There's a fact sheet there.

4101
04:37:30,994 --> 04:37:34,680
There's also a ability for the public

4102
04:37:34,680 --> 04:37:40,414
to click and fill out a form, were they ask a question.

4103
04:37:40,414 --> 04:37:43,284
Dot staff will respond to that question.

4104
04:37:43,284 --> 04:37:46,170
Because I know County council is there,

4105
04:37:46,170 --> 04:37:47,794
I know she wants me to say this.

4106
04:37:47,794 --> 04:37:52,298
We have big disclaimers that our department will not advocate

4107
04:37:52,298 --> 04:37:54,642
for or against this measure.

4108
04:37:54,642 --> 04:38:00,420
We will only answer technical questions or specific questions,

4109
04:38:00,454 --> 04:38:03,640
about the use of the funds.

4110
04:38:03,640 --> 04:38:05,470
How they would be spent.

4111
04:38:05,470 --> 04:38:06,794
And the details.

4112
04:38:06,794 --> 04:38:08,612
We would not advocate.

4113
04:38:08,612 --> 04:38:13,887
With that, I guess we'll go to the next slide.

4114
04:38:13,887 --> 04:38:17,754
So we were, we were asked to really share

4115
04:38:17,754 --> 04:38:21,754
with the public, how the road fund is done.

4116
04:38:21,754 --> 04:38:23,714
There are three budget units.

4117
04:38:23,714 --> 04:38:25,794
That can be confusing.

4118
04:38:25,794 --> 04:38:29,114
3010 is kind of the basic you know,

4119
04:38:29,114 --> 04:38:31,414
operational budget unit for the department.

4120
04:38:31,414 --> 04:38:34,847
That's where your staff is at.

4121
04:38:34,847 --> 04:38:37,874
That is where your equipment is at.

4122
04:38:37,874 --> 04:38:41,674
That's the crew you see out there working on the roads.

4123
04:38:41,674 --> 04:38:43,914
All runs so that 3010 budget.

4124
04:38:43,914 --> 04:38:48,562
The 3010 budget, is where the money gets placed.

4125
04:38:48,562 --> 04:38:50,114
Mostly gas tax.

4126
04:38:50,114 --> 04:38:51,858
In an incremental property tax.

4127
04:38:51,858 --> 04:38:55,458
There are some special smaller contributions.

4128
04:38:56,434 --> 04:38:57,994
We will get you a pie chart on that.

4129
04:38:57,994 --> 04:39:03,394
30 3030 has been separated out, because that is our disaster

4130
04:39:05,624 --> 04:39:07,514
response budget unit.

4131
04:39:07,514 --> 04:39:09,810
We used to just say storm damage come

4132
04:39:09,810 --> 04:39:11,778
because that's all we ever had.

4133
04:39:11,778 --> 04:39:15,282
Here lately, we've seen fire damage.

4134
04:39:15,282 --> 04:39:16,774
And even pandemic stuff.

4135
04:39:16,774 --> 04:39:21,660
A lot of different things have gone through 3030.

4136
04:39:21,660 --> 04:39:23,660
And then 3041.

4137
04:39:23,594 --> 04:39:25,850
Is the project budget.

4138
04:39:25,850 --> 04:39:30,740
That's the budget unit where the bridges are.

4139
04:39:30,740 --> 04:39:32,554
That is our biggest program.

4140
04:39:32,554 --> 04:39:34,554
Dollar wise.

4141
04:39:34,634 --> 04:39:37,274
Any of the other projects.

4142
04:39:37,274 --> 04:39:39,674
Safe bus to school.

4143
04:39:40,470 --> 04:39:40,740
Again.

4144
04:39:40,740 --> 04:39:42,824
I said the Highway Safety Improvement

4145
04:39:42,824 --> 04:39:45,194
program grants we have.

4146
04:39:45,194 --> 04:39:48,245
Here recently, we got two big grants

4147
04:39:48,245 --> 04:39:50,170
we are going to talk about, which

4148
04:39:50,170 --> 04:39:54,780
we're to look at planning emergency routes connecting

4149
04:39:54,780 --> 04:39:55,714
routes.

4150
04:39:55,714 --> 04:39:57,274
Redmyre road extension.

4151
04:39:57,274 --> 04:40:00,345
And the Brook Burrows second access all that

4152
04:40:00,345 --> 04:40:01,647
will go through 3041.

4153
04:40:01,647 --> 04:40:03,354
It becomes important in a minute,

4154
04:40:03,354 --> 04:40:07,200
when we get to talking about you know --

4155
04:40:07,200 --> 04:40:09,402
why these different plots.

4156
04:40:09,834 --> 04:40:12,269
They're really different functions they don't necessarily

4157
04:40:12,269 --> 04:40:12,769
commingle.

4158
04:40:12,769 --> 04:40:14,867
If you get money for disaster recovery,

4159
04:40:14,867 --> 04:40:16,882
or you get money for projects, it's

4160
04:40:16,882 --> 04:40:20,940
not like you can just use that in your operational budget.

4161
04:40:20,940 --> 04:40:23,714
In fact, the operational budget ends up

4162
04:40:23,714 --> 04:40:25,986
supporting the other two budget units.

4163
04:40:25,986 --> 04:40:27,986
3030 and 3041.

4164
04:40:28,214 --> 04:40:31,124
In that, if there's any local match required,

4165
04:40:31,124 --> 04:40:34,124
or there's ineligible expenses, that

4166
04:40:34,144 --> 04:40:37,640
has to be borne by your operational budget

4167
04:40:37,640 --> 04:40:39,640
year 3010 budget unit.

4168
04:40:39,740 --> 04:40:40,907
Next slide.

4169
04:40:40,907 --> 04:40:45,514
So we were asked to so, we were asked to track you know,

4170
04:40:45,514 --> 04:40:48,200
how those budget units rolled.

4171
04:40:48,200 --> 04:40:50,884
Of course at the end, we've got this huge spike.

4172
04:40:50,884 --> 04:40:53,504
Again come I attribute a lot of that

4173
04:40:53,504 --> 04:40:55,834
to two really big bridge projects.

4174
04:40:55,834 --> 04:40:57,354
We've been working on.

4175
04:40:57,354 --> 04:40:59,603
We just finished Acraman Creek.

4176
04:40:59,603 --> 04:41:01,258
We've got Lambert Lane and Boonville.

4177
04:41:01,258 --> 04:41:05,594
We have those two very large $12 million each

4178
04:41:05,594 --> 04:41:08,618
come on for Brooke Trails and Redmyre Road.

4179
04:41:08,618 --> 04:41:13,418
That's like $24 million to do the environmental study.

4180
04:41:13,514 --> 04:41:17,534
If you really look at the more basic usual budget

4181
04:41:17,534 --> 04:41:21,940
for the department, those lines you see.

4182
04:41:21,940 --> 04:41:24,694
You're talking really between 20 and 30 million.

4183
04:41:24,794 --> 04:41:27,818
That spike in the end is really an anomaly.

4184
04:41:27,818 --> 04:41:29,594
Next slide.

4185
04:41:29,594 --> 04:41:33,642
So this this is a slide that just shows

4186
04:41:33,642 --> 04:41:36,940
the increment of property tax.

4187
04:41:36,940 --> 04:41:38,940
Rolls pretty consistently.

4188
04:41:38,174 --> 04:41:42,154
I guess it varies a little bit based on assessment.

4189
04:41:42,154 --> 04:41:45,754
All right first a pie chart.

4190
04:41:46,426 --> 04:41:51,186
Basically the dark green or forest green at the bottom.

4191
04:41:51,186 --> 04:41:52,930
The 44%.

4192
04:41:52,930 --> 04:41:55,330
That's the basics projects.

4193
04:41:55,994 --> 04:41:58,994
We were talking about bridges.

4194
04:41:59,774 --> 04:42:03,290
Special projects that we get grant funding for.

4195
04:42:03,290 --> 04:42:05,906
And then those upper portions in blue.

4196
04:42:05,906 --> 04:42:08,880
The dark blue is our staff.

4197
04:42:08,880 --> 04:42:11,834
Their wages what do we call the thousand series.

4198
04:42:11,834 --> 04:42:13,514
The 2000 series.

4199
04:42:13,514 --> 04:42:15,498
The Orange is material.

4200
04:42:15,498 --> 04:42:20,898
The blue light blue sky blue 22% is largely operational.

4201
04:42:22,850 --> 04:42:24,936
There's a note in the bottom.

4202
04:42:24,936 --> 04:42:27,274
A lot of that is equipment maintenance permit

4203
04:42:27,274 --> 04:42:29,674
and internal charges, insurance.

4204
04:42:30,770 --> 04:42:32,274
That sort of thing.

4205
04:42:32,274 --> 04:42:36,566
The other smaller portions you can read for yourself.

4206
04:42:36,566 --> 04:42:40,143
You will note that equipment is really small.

4207
04:42:40,143 --> 04:42:42,940
Part of the reason for that is --

4208
04:42:42,940 --> 04:42:46,540
when I first started 21 years ago,

4209
04:42:47,584 --> 04:42:52,279
we were under a program with the Air Resources Board,

4210
04:42:52,279 --> 04:42:55,474
to replace any of our non-compliant equipment that

4211
04:42:55,474 --> 04:42:57,514
didn't comply with air quality rates.

4212
04:42:57,514 --> 04:43:01,714
The department invested millions over that 20 years.

4213
04:43:01,800 --> 04:43:04,107
A little bit at a time.

4214
04:43:04,107 --> 04:43:06,674
Their resources board gave us time.

4215
04:43:06,674 --> 04:43:10,205
That's why we don't have to buy a lot of equipment now.

4216
04:43:10,205 --> 04:43:12,354
We kind of got that all done.

4217
04:43:12,354 --> 04:43:16,394
Basically, we are just maintaining that equipment.

4218
04:43:16,394 --> 04:43:17,427
Next slide.

4219
04:43:17,427 --> 04:43:17,944
Okay.

4220
04:43:17,944 --> 04:43:23,234
So if you look at the yellow and the green, this is the revenue.

4221
04:43:23,234 --> 04:43:24,338
That's 44%.

4222
04:43:24,338 --> 04:43:27,554
It's a snapshot for one year.

4223
04:43:27,554 --> 04:43:28,994
It's typical.

4224
04:43:28,994 --> 04:43:30,722
Those are the projects.

4225
04:43:30,722 --> 04:43:34,882
The rest of the pie is broken out there

4226
04:43:34,882 --> 04:43:38,340
on the various different types of taxes.

4227
04:43:38,340 --> 04:43:41,224
I know some people get upset with all the acronyms.

4228
04:43:41,224 --> 04:43:43,224
Like state who.

4229
04:43:43,274 --> 04:43:45,426
That's the highway users tax in town.

4230
04:43:45,426 --> 04:43:49,460
The state highway users tax is a different color.

4231
04:43:49,460 --> 04:43:54,420
It was basically every time the state increased the gas tax,

4232
04:43:54,420 --> 04:43:55,874
they gave it a different name.

4233
04:43:55,874 --> 04:43:56,694
A different bill.

4234
04:43:56,694 --> 04:43:59,620
Same thing down there on prop 111.

4235
04:43:59,620 --> 04:44:04,907
I think that was the last time they increased by increment

4236
04:44:04,907 --> 04:44:07,114
the gas tax in the 90s.

4237
04:44:07,114 --> 04:44:08,674
Of course the big one.

4238
04:44:08,674 --> 04:44:10,610
The one I really want to talk about.

4239
04:44:10,610 --> 04:44:12,610
The forest green 20%.

4240
04:44:14,474 --> 04:44:16,874
That is the RMRASB1.

4241
04:44:16,970 --> 04:44:18,970
That is the 2017.

4242
04:44:22,754 --> 04:44:26,620
Last time the state increased gas tax by $0.12 a gallon

4243
04:44:26,620 --> 04:44:28,462
with an inflation escalator.

4244
04:44:28,530 --> 04:44:30,530
It was $0.12 in 2017.

4245
04:44:31,794 --> 04:44:34,794
It's more than that now.

4246
04:44:34,868 --> 04:44:40,698
That is the area we try to sequester and really spend

4247
04:44:40,698 --> 04:44:44,354
what we call road maintenance and repair account.

4248
04:44:44,354 --> 04:44:45,234
RMRA.

4249
04:44:45,234 --> 04:44:47,634
Road maintenance repair account.

4250
04:44:47,794 --> 04:44:49,794
That's really key.

4251
04:44:50,440 --> 04:44:52,450
What everybody will want to talk about today.

4252
04:44:52,450 --> 04:44:57,714
Can really the focus of the department's ask to the public.

4253
04:44:57,714 --> 04:45:01,487
Or this potential sales tax, is something

4254
04:45:01,487 --> 04:45:06,378
that we can do more towards pavement surface condition.

4255
04:45:06,378 --> 04:45:08,370
Or the PCI.

4256
04:45:08,370 --> 04:45:10,927
Which is the pavement index.

4257
04:45:10,927 --> 04:45:13,107
We will get into slides on that.

4258
04:45:13,107 --> 04:45:16,700
The public can go back and look at our presentation

4259
04:45:16,700 --> 04:45:18,618
on the seventh of this month.

4260
04:45:18,618 --> 04:45:21,504
The last meeting where we went in depth

4261
04:45:21,504 --> 04:45:24,274
into the pavement condition index.

4262
04:45:24,274 --> 04:45:26,919
It's basically a scoring of the roads.

4263
04:45:26,919 --> 04:45:28,136
0 to 100.

4264
04:45:28,136 --> 04:45:29,618
100 being the best.

4265
04:45:29,618 --> 04:45:32,180
Zero being the worst.

4266
04:45:32,754 --> 04:45:37,642
We've taken that dark forest green slice of pie.

4267
04:45:37,642 --> 04:45:39,720
We developed the 20 year plan.

4268
04:45:39,720 --> 04:45:41,844
I think the next slide might help.

4269
04:45:41,844 --> 04:45:44,244
Well now this one.

4270
04:45:44,764 --> 04:45:46,742
All this slide really shows.

4271
04:45:46,742 --> 04:45:48,558
The reason the lines go so close together.

4272
04:45:48,558 --> 04:45:52,874
The lower lines are if we stay on our present projection.

4273
04:45:52,874 --> 04:45:56,518
We don't actually get calm even though we show revenues

4274
04:45:56,518 --> 04:46:00,137
for projects -- we have to spend the money.

4275
04:46:00,137 --> 04:46:01,470
Front the money.

4276
04:46:01,470 --> 04:46:05,740
Then the state or federal agency reimburses us.

4277
04:46:05,740 --> 04:46:06,490
If we don't.

4278
04:46:06,490 --> 04:46:10,900
Project gets delayed, or something happens.

4279
04:46:10,634 --> 04:46:13,321
And we don't spend money, we don't get reimbursed.

4280
04:46:13,321 --> 04:46:15,154
That's part of why those lines run together.

4281
04:46:15,154 --> 04:46:20,242
The second set of lines would be if the public granted us

4282
04:46:20,242 --> 04:46:22,104
the sales tax measure.

4283
04:46:22,104 --> 04:46:25,460
We would basically increase it by about 5.5 million.

4284
04:46:25,460 --> 04:46:30,522
The reason they run so close together -- you spend the money.

4285
04:46:30,522 --> 04:46:31,820
Then you get the money.

4286
04:46:31,820 --> 04:46:35,464
It's pretty much an in and out situation.

4287
04:46:35,464 --> 04:46:36,634
Next one.

4288
04:46:36,634 --> 04:46:37,170
Okay.

4289
04:46:37,170 --> 04:46:41,874
One more on difference between grants and one time funds.

4290
04:46:41,874 --> 04:46:45,634
That's bridge replacements is the biggest part of that.

4291
04:46:45,634 --> 04:46:46,924
Disaster damage repairs.

4292
04:46:46,924 --> 04:46:49,540
The highway safety improvement program.

4293
04:46:49,540 --> 04:46:51,940
The second access route.

4294
04:46:52,580 --> 04:46:53,658
Fish game sediment.

4295
04:46:53,658 --> 04:46:55,740
That's a minor one.

4296
04:46:55,740 --> 04:46:57,254
We get money for special projects.

4297
04:46:57,254 --> 04:46:59,194
That is earmarked.

4298
04:46:59,194 --> 04:47:04,314
We can't spend it on normal summer routine maintenance,

4299
04:47:04,314 --> 04:47:06,100
or on pavement condition improvement.

4300
04:47:06,100 --> 04:47:10,854
In the past I would say during Arnold Schwarzenegger

4301
04:47:10,854 --> 04:47:12,782
administration in the state, they

4302
04:47:12,782 --> 04:47:17,864
had a prop one B. We actually got some money for just

4303
04:47:17,864 --> 04:47:19,864
routine pavement improvement.

4304
04:47:19,882 --> 04:47:23,674
Then later on in 2009 -- the Obama administration.

4305
04:47:23,674 --> 04:47:25,874
We got a r a.

4306
04:47:25,874 --> 04:47:27,834
The American Recovery and Restoration Act.

4307
04:47:27,834 --> 04:47:31,306
There is actually some money there

4308
04:47:31,306 --> 04:47:33,450
that would just improve pavement condition.

4309
04:47:33,450 --> 04:47:35,178
Those are rare.

4310
04:47:35,178 --> 04:47:38,414
The last rounds of all the infrastructure money.

4311
04:47:38,414 --> 04:47:41,800
I know I was asked about that.

4312
04:47:41,800 --> 04:47:44,234
Why aren't you getting all this infrastructure money to just

4313
04:47:44,234 --> 04:47:45,570
improve our pavement condition?

4314
04:47:45,570 --> 04:47:48,306
They didn't do that this time.

4315
04:47:48,306 --> 04:47:49,538
You know.

4316
04:47:49,538 --> 04:47:53,326
The grants are very specific to what they want.

4317
04:47:53,326 --> 04:47:56,674
It's rarely ever for pavement improvement.

4318
04:47:56,674 --> 04:47:58,674
It's these things.

4319
04:47:58,714 --> 04:48:00,854
Okay okay funding sources.

4320
04:48:00,854 --> 04:48:02,370
Where they come from.

4321
04:48:02,370 --> 04:48:06,444
You know again, most of immigrants are 80 to 100%.

4322
04:48:06,444 --> 04:48:11,704
Any percentage is not covered, comes out at 3010 budget unit.

4323
04:48:11,704 --> 04:48:13,674
Federal highway Administration.

4324
04:48:13,674 --> 04:48:15,674
Caltrans local assistance.

4325
04:48:15,927 --> 04:48:18,327
Federal Emergency Management Agency.

4326
04:48:18,434 --> 04:48:20,834
The Office of Emergency Services.

4327
04:48:20,834 --> 04:48:22,642
Even Mendocino Council of Governments.

4328
04:48:22,642 --> 04:48:27,514
I might add that the Executive Director Barrett is in the room

4329
04:48:27,514 --> 04:48:28,402
to answer questions.

4330
04:48:28,402 --> 04:48:32,340
We do get monies through M cog.

4331
04:48:32,340 --> 04:48:35,882
All the agencies that are member get a certain amount

4332
04:48:35,882 --> 04:48:37,114
of funding to.

4333
04:48:37,114 --> 04:48:39,580
That's some of the smaller slices of the pie

4334
04:48:39,580 --> 04:48:41,980
on that second slide.

4335
04:48:42,338 --> 04:48:44,338
Next one.

4336
04:48:44,402 --> 04:48:47,734
Okay the real heart of what I want to talk about.

4337
04:48:47,734 --> 04:48:49,294
20 year plan.

4338
04:48:49,294 --> 04:48:50,794
Corrective preventative maintenance.

4339
04:48:50,794 --> 04:48:55,820
That's the SB one funds that came through.

4340
04:48:55,820 --> 04:48:59,282
It's defined road maintenance and rehabilitation account.

4341
04:49:00,194 --> 04:49:01,464
The funds.

4342
04:49:01,464 --> 04:49:06,264
Basically that 20% forest green slice of the pie

4343
04:49:06,674 --> 04:49:08,647
that we looked at.

4344
04:49:08,647 --> 04:49:10,500
Is that plan.

4345
04:49:10,500 --> 04:49:15,450
That rolled out in 2019 after the 2017 SB one pass.

4346
04:49:15,634 --> 04:49:19,640
Was enough money in 20 years, to treat roughly half

4347
04:49:19,640 --> 04:49:21,974
of our surface miles.

4348
04:49:21,974 --> 04:49:23,974
357 miles.

4349
04:49:24,154 --> 04:49:25,793
Total of 690.

4350
04:49:25,793 --> 04:49:28,849
You know come a part of our ask and what

4351
04:49:28,849 --> 04:49:30,890
we are trying to get to here.

4352
04:49:30,890 --> 04:49:35,874
By the way, the amount there 220 million needed for ten years.

4353
04:49:35,874 --> 04:49:40,234
That is a published need in the latest.

4354
04:49:40,234 --> 04:49:41,954
The one we just completed.

4355
04:49:41,954 --> 04:49:43,954
PCI assessment report.

4356
04:49:44,106 --> 04:49:49,494
I also advise the public they can always go to save California

4357
04:49:49,494 --> 04:49:50,954
streets and roads.org.

4358
04:49:50,954 --> 04:49:55,846
They can see statewide, all the counties and cities.

4359
04:49:55,846 --> 04:49:58,258
What the unmet needs are.

4360
04:49:58,258 --> 04:50:03,662
What their needs they would need to get to pieces of 82 100.

4361
04:50:03,662 --> 04:50:07,994
It's a big number for the cities and counties

4362
04:50:07,994 --> 04:50:09,754
in Mendocino County.

4363
04:50:09,754 --> 04:50:14,940
574 was the number we talked about on July 7th.

4364
04:50:14,940 --> 04:50:16,607
There's actually a brand new report that

4365
04:50:16,607 --> 04:50:17,967
just came out on that website.

4366
04:50:17,967 --> 04:50:21,567
It has that number at 612 million.

4367
04:50:22,260 --> 04:50:27,600
Point is, we will never get to 80 or 100.

4368
04:50:27,662 --> 04:50:29,154
Those numbers are too big.

4369
04:50:29,154 --> 04:50:31,274
So what the department has resorted

4370
04:50:31,274 --> 04:50:36,194
to, is trying to spend as it says there on our 20 year plan

4371
04:50:36,194 --> 04:50:40,994
comments have hundred and 20, we will spend 65.8 million.

4372
04:50:41,140 --> 04:50:42,780
We will do things like you see here.

4373
04:50:42,780 --> 04:50:44,212
We will do an in recycle.

4374
04:50:44,212 --> 04:50:47,209
That is grinding up our road.

4375
04:50:47,209 --> 04:50:50,274
We're utilizing the asphalt and aggregates.

4376
04:50:50,274 --> 04:50:51,194
Mixing cement.

4377
04:50:51,194 --> 04:50:54,114
That's the white cement you see there.

4378
04:50:54,114 --> 04:50:57,354
Reshaping the road and the double chip ceiling at.

4379
04:50:57,354 --> 04:50:58,860
Its cost effective.

4380
04:50:58,860 --> 04:51:02,977
We can do that for much less than say

4381
04:51:02,977 --> 04:51:08,377
trying to achieve a state highway level type 82 100 PCI.

4382
04:51:08,434 --> 04:51:12,340
We are trying to get to 50 6070.

4383
04:51:12,874 --> 04:51:13,887
Somewhere manageable.

4384
04:51:13,887 --> 04:51:16,340
We've got a slide on that later.

4385
04:51:16,340 --> 04:51:17,634
Next slide.

4386
04:51:17,634 --> 04:51:18,434
Okay.

4387
04:51:18,434 --> 04:51:23,325
Here is the evaluation of the first seven years.

4388
04:51:23,325 --> 04:51:24,548
It shows.

4389
04:51:24,548 --> 04:51:27,706
O. Do I sound that hoarse?

4390
04:51:27,706 --> 04:51:28,418
Thank you.

4391
04:51:28,418 --> 04:51:32,754
I thought drink was not allowed in the board chamber?

4392
04:51:32,754 --> 04:51:35,247
Thank you thank you Sherry.

4393
04:51:35,247 --> 04:51:37,211
Sherry is very nice.

4394
04:51:37,211 --> 04:51:43,811
So -- there is, you know, what projections were what we

4395
04:51:43,974 --> 04:51:45,144
actually delivered at.

4396
04:51:45,144 --> 04:51:49,340
The truck right up there was very nice in that --

4397
04:51:49,340 --> 04:51:52,607
the Stip funds that came through Mhclg allocation,

4398
04:51:52,607 --> 04:51:56,674
allowed us to do a much better job in year six.

4399
04:51:56,674 --> 04:52:01,260
We were actually working on Mountain View Road, which

4400
04:52:01,260 --> 04:52:03,578
is a real important road when the state

4401
04:52:03,578 --> 04:52:05,914
highway is closed down.

4402
04:52:05,914 --> 04:52:08,994
If you haven't driven it lately, it is much improved.

4403
04:52:08,994 --> 04:52:11,582
We are going to have a slide on what the improvements are.

4404
04:52:11,582 --> 04:52:12,820
Next slide.

4405
04:52:12,820 --> 04:52:13,322
There is the slide.

4406
04:52:13,322 --> 04:52:17,340
This shows how much better the PCI score

4407
04:52:17,340 --> 04:52:20,138
has got come in the roads that we treated.

4408
04:52:20,138 --> 04:52:23,740
You know -- those scores.

4409
04:52:23,740 --> 04:52:26,874
The trouble with pavement is -- it immediately starts running

4410
04:52:26,874 --> 04:52:27,374
down.

4411
04:52:27,374 --> 04:52:29,234
That deterioration curve.

4412
04:52:29,234 --> 04:52:32,260
When we push most of these up into the 90s --

4413
04:52:32,260 --> 04:52:34,994
within a few years, they will run down a little bit.

4414
04:52:34,994 --> 04:52:39,567
We definitely got the averages up a lot higher than they were.

4415
04:52:39,567 --> 04:52:44,154
That is the other problem with road work.

4416
04:52:44,154 --> 04:52:47,500
You fix it and then it just starts wearing out.

4417
04:52:47,500 --> 04:52:51,490
The other thing about Mendocino County roads --

4418
04:52:51,490 --> 04:52:54,582
not just traffic on the road where is that out.

4419
04:52:54,582 --> 04:52:56,134
We've got geology.

4420
04:52:56,134 --> 04:52:58,407
Especially road like Mountain View road.

4421
04:52:58,407 --> 04:53:01,196
At a lot of our roads that are up in the mountains

4422
04:53:01,196 --> 04:53:04,340
or are subject to slip out slides.

4423
04:53:04,340 --> 04:53:05,144
Geological movement.

4424
04:53:05,144 --> 04:53:06,569
Just the weather.

4425
04:53:06,569 --> 04:53:08,127
The weather wears them out.

4426
04:53:08,127 --> 04:53:11,154
Water is real hard on a road.

4427
04:53:11,154 --> 04:53:13,554
It will start decomposing.

4428
04:53:13,844 --> 04:53:17,874
Okay we were asked to look at what would

4429
04:53:17,874 --> 04:53:20,274
happen with the annexation.

4430
04:53:20,874 --> 04:53:24,474
The Ukiah City annexation of 19.65 miles.

4431
04:53:25,554 --> 04:53:28,554
Basically, bottom line, you know,

4432
04:53:28,978 --> 04:53:32,578
that will result in 410 455,000 per year.

4433
04:53:33,651 --> 04:53:36,510
Over the 20 year plan.

4434
04:53:36,674 --> 04:53:40,641
Which I liken to a sliver of that green forest

4435
04:53:40,641 --> 04:53:43,954
green 20% piece of pie we looked at.

4436
04:53:43,954 --> 04:53:46,834
That would be available to us elsewhere in the county.

4437
04:53:46,834 --> 04:53:50,335
That's a $6 million piece of pie.

4438
04:53:50,335 --> 04:53:56,174
It's kind of nice to get back for the 500,000 uses elsewhere

4439
04:53:56,174 --> 04:53:57,254
paramedic okay.

4440
04:53:57,254 --> 04:53:58,994
The sales tax.

4441
04:53:58,994 --> 04:54:01,970
Obviously it's important to have well maintained roads.

4442
04:54:01,970 --> 04:54:04,527
If the roads are in better shape,

4443
04:54:04,527 --> 04:54:06,274
they cost less to maintain.

4444
04:54:06,274 --> 04:54:10,394
The county crews have a much easier time keeping them

4445
04:54:10,394 --> 04:54:12,394
in better shape.

4446
04:54:13,554 --> 04:54:16,374
And again, there's the half of the roads that

4447
04:54:16,374 --> 04:54:20,807
aren't in the plan that we could cover over 20 years

4448
04:54:20,807 --> 04:54:25,354
if we had this additional sales tax revenue.

4449
04:54:25,354 --> 04:54:27,668
Let's go to the next one.

4450
04:54:27,668 --> 04:54:30,914
This is just a slide that shows that Mendocino Counties

4451
04:54:30,914 --> 04:54:33,468
current sales tax rate is 7.875.

4452
04:54:33,468 --> 04:54:36,940
If we increase it by a percent we

4453
04:54:36,940 --> 04:54:39,547
would be the same as the city of Ukiah.

4454
04:54:39,547 --> 04:54:42,540
We'd even be a little less than the other three

4455
04:54:42,540 --> 04:54:43,642
incorporated cities in the county.

4456
04:54:43,642 --> 04:54:47,514
The taxes only for the unincorporated area.

4457
04:54:47,514 --> 04:54:49,314
Not the cities.

4458
04:54:49,314 --> 04:54:52,858
The money is only spent in the unincorporated area

4459
04:54:52,858 --> 04:54:54,834
outside of the cities.

4460
04:54:54,834 --> 04:54:56,834
The next slide.

4461
04:54:56,922 --> 04:55:01,867
Okay permanent the expenditure plan, we do a mixture with it.

4462
04:55:01,867 --> 04:55:05,354
We think we will get approximately 5.5 million

4463
04:55:05,354 --> 04:55:06,134
annually.

4464
04:55:06,134 --> 04:55:10,386
That's almost like another piece of forest green pie.

4465
04:55:10,386 --> 04:55:11,896
Two pieces of pie.

4466
04:55:11,896 --> 04:55:14,642
Roughly we will double what we are doing.

4467
04:55:14,642 --> 04:55:16,694
We would preserve good roads.

4468
04:55:16,694 --> 04:55:18,779
We always go into an area.

4469
04:55:18,779 --> 04:55:22,287
Road can be salvaged or segment we preserve it,

4470
04:55:22,287 --> 04:55:24,954
with some kind of preservation treatment.

4471
04:55:24,954 --> 04:55:27,370
Which is much less expensive.

4472
04:55:27,370 --> 04:55:30,464
We grind them up and do a full corrective maintenance.

4473
04:55:30,464 --> 04:55:32,415
That's the only real solution.

4474
04:55:32,415 --> 04:55:35,564
If it's past the point that it can be preserved.

4475
04:55:35,564 --> 04:55:40,154
We also want to have 10% for restoring some of our road crew

4476
04:55:40,154 --> 04:55:41,914
positions.

4477
04:55:41,914 --> 04:55:44,600
And bolstering the routine maintenance

4478
04:55:44,600 --> 04:55:46,460
capabilities the department has.

4479
04:55:47,170 --> 04:55:48,546
Next one.

4480
04:55:48,546 --> 04:55:49,606
The benefits.

4481
04:55:49,606 --> 04:55:52,234
Again, I can't harp on it enough.

4482
04:55:52,234 --> 04:55:54,954
RMA road maintenance and repair account,

4483
04:55:54,954 --> 04:55:59,154
is only approximately half the surface roads.

4484
04:56:00,138 --> 04:56:04,936
This additional money would let us do the 317 miles that

4485
04:56:04,936 --> 04:56:07,940
are not in that plan.

4486
04:56:07,940 --> 04:56:10,940
It would restore 7 to 11 positions.

4487
04:56:10,434 --> 04:56:12,794
And would improve the county's ability

4488
04:56:12,794 --> 04:56:16,200
to also do better routine maintenance.

4489
04:56:16,200 --> 04:56:19,620
Along with corrective and preventive maintenance.

4490
04:56:19,854 --> 04:56:20,994
Okay.

4491
04:56:20,994 --> 04:56:22,994
This slide.

4492
04:56:23,894 --> 04:56:26,220
Just one of many you can go look at if you

4493
04:56:26,220 --> 04:56:28,634
looked at the presentation from the seventh.

4494
04:56:28,634 --> 04:56:33,356
Basically, the good road versus the really bad poor,

4495
04:56:33,356 --> 04:56:33,856
failed road.

4496
04:56:33,856 --> 04:56:35,916
The crew has a hard time maintaining

4497
04:56:35,916 --> 04:56:38,447
the road on the bottom.

4498
04:56:38,447 --> 04:56:40,416
There's pothole on top of pothole.

4499
04:56:40,416 --> 04:56:43,340
Many of you drive on these sorts of roads.

4500
04:56:43,340 --> 04:56:44,522
Around the county.

4501
04:56:44,522 --> 04:56:46,698
The crew basically in the winter when

4502
04:56:46,698 --> 04:56:48,240
the rains come and it gets wet double

4503
04:56:48,240 --> 04:56:50,660
s they just patch them back up.

4504
04:56:50,660 --> 04:56:53,660
It's it's not very effective.

4505
04:56:53,804 --> 04:56:55,434
It's not permanent.

4506
04:56:55,434 --> 04:56:56,734
It just gets us by.

4507
04:56:56,734 --> 04:57:04,790
If we had roads more like the fair to good pieces at 50 to 70,

4508
04:57:04,790 --> 04:57:07,394
then you get an occasional pothole maybe every mile.

4509
04:57:07,394 --> 04:57:10,674
The crew can do a really good job on that.

4510
04:57:10,674 --> 04:57:12,254
It just a little bit.

4511
04:57:12,254 --> 04:57:14,260
They can take the time to correctly repair it.

4512
04:57:14,260 --> 04:57:18,714
The picture on the bottom is just a mad dash.

4513
04:57:18,714 --> 04:57:20,794
Just trying to make the road passable.

4514
04:57:20,794 --> 04:57:25,804
So this slide demonstrates this slide demonstrates in orange

4515
04:57:25,804 --> 04:57:28,644
where we will go, if we just have the funding

4516
04:57:28,644 --> 04:57:30,947
source that we have right now.

4517
04:57:30,947 --> 04:57:34,547
That does get us from 47 to 50.

4518
04:57:34,834 --> 04:57:39,554
With the additional money come if the voters did grant us

4519
04:57:39,554 --> 04:57:43,274
the sales tax measure, we can get to 64 again,

4520
04:57:43,274 --> 04:57:47,354
that's the average county wide, which means we'd have roads

4521
04:57:47,354 --> 04:57:48,722
in the 70s or higher.

4522
04:57:48,722 --> 04:57:52,514
And we would have roads probably lower than 50.

4523
04:57:52,514 --> 04:57:57,834
It would be, we wouldn't have the terrible 0 to 25 roads.

4524
04:57:57,834 --> 04:58:00,234
We have 80 to 100 either.

4525
04:58:00,427 --> 04:58:02,534
We would have roads that are manageable.

4526
04:58:02,534 --> 04:58:05,534
Roads the crew could repair.

4527
04:58:06,706 --> 04:58:10,610
Roads that, the potholes would be spread out enough

4528
04:58:10,610 --> 04:58:12,931
that they could take their time.

4529
04:58:12,931 --> 04:58:15,349
And keep the road in a lot better shape.

4530
04:58:15,349 --> 04:58:19,994
The first seven years of the MRA plan have demonstrated that.

4531
04:58:19,994 --> 04:58:22,522
Once we go in and fix the road.

4532
04:58:22,522 --> 04:58:23,866
It's not perfect.

4533
04:58:23,866 --> 04:58:25,294
It's not repaved.

4534
04:58:25,294 --> 04:58:26,938
It's double chips.

4535
04:58:26,938 --> 04:58:31,434
The crew is much more able to maintain those.

4536
04:58:31,434 --> 04:58:34,527
They're not so bad that the few things that fail

4537
04:58:34,527 --> 04:58:36,124
can't be repaired.

4538
04:58:36,124 --> 04:58:38,124
Next slide.

4539
04:58:38,224 --> 04:58:39,858
All right.

4540
04:58:39,858 --> 04:58:43,518
There was one public comment I read.

4541
04:58:43,518 --> 04:58:44,180
Comment.

4542
04:58:44,180 --> 04:58:45,914
I want to deal with that here.

4543
04:58:45,914 --> 04:58:49,714
The tax revenues are definitely in a special fund

4544
04:58:49,714 --> 04:58:52,714
that is only for roads.

4545
04:58:52,764 --> 04:58:54,326
That state law.

4546
04:58:54,326 --> 04:58:56,326
It's locked in.

4547
04:58:57,474 --> 04:58:58,374
There will be.

4548
04:58:58,374 --> 04:59:03,294
We can do a tax expenditure plan to take the board every year.

4549
04:59:03,294 --> 04:59:06,919
Just like we do now for our MRA.

4550
04:59:06,919 --> 04:59:10,405
Every year before July usually in April or May --

4551
04:59:10,405 --> 04:59:11,931
we have an agenda item.

4552
04:59:11,931 --> 04:59:14,164
You can look at the one from this year.

4553
04:59:14,164 --> 04:59:15,874
Winning on May 5th.

4554
04:59:15,874 --> 04:59:18,274
We present the plan .

4555
04:59:21,644 --> 04:59:23,344
The CTC.

4556
04:59:23,344 --> 04:59:26,545
California Transportation Commission gets a copy of that.

4557
04:59:26,545 --> 04:59:30,900
They post all the counties and cities that get SB one funds.

4558
04:59:30,900 --> 04:59:33,386
The roads they're doing or the projects they're doing

4559
04:59:33,386 --> 04:59:38,448
are not only posted at our web page which you can read com also

4560
04:59:38,448 --> 04:59:41,448
at the state web page.

4561
04:59:42,930 --> 04:59:44,634
My feeling on citizen oversight is

4562
04:59:44,634 --> 04:59:48,842
that the department could do the same thing for the sales

4563
04:59:48,842 --> 04:59:51,418
Tax Commission we could prepare a plan every year.

4564
04:59:51,418 --> 04:59:53,674
The only difference is before we would take it,

4565
04:59:53,674 --> 04:59:57,524
before the board -- we could go before the standing committee.

4566
04:59:57,524 --> 05:00:01,740
We could have public stakeholders who sign up

4567
05:00:01,740 --> 05:00:04,962
and get notice to extend that standing committee meeting.

4568
05:00:04,962 --> 05:00:08,638
Just like the Drought Task Force works now.

4569
05:00:08,638 --> 05:00:14,625
We would go over the details of what the department plans to do.

4570
05:00:14,625 --> 05:00:15,500
There could be input.

4571
05:00:15,500 --> 05:00:17,567
We could look at the results of the year

4572
05:00:17,567 --> 05:00:19,994
before in depth at that standing committee,

4573
05:00:19,994 --> 05:00:22,365
before we bring it before your full board

4574
05:00:22,365 --> 05:00:25,194
just like we do our MRA.

4575
05:00:25,194 --> 05:00:27,194
Next slide questions.

4576
05:00:27,759 --> 05:00:29,640
Next slide.

4577
05:00:29,640 --> 05:00:30,864
Go to this one.

4578
05:00:30,864 --> 05:00:32,900
I'm still going to take questions.

4579
05:00:32,900 --> 05:00:34,829
These are the links the public can

4580
05:00:34,829 --> 05:00:39,108
use to look at the 20 year plan and to look

4581
05:00:39,108 --> 05:00:46,308
at that tab we have in our website for input and facts.

4582
05:00:48,940 --> 05:00:50,618
That was long.

4583
05:00:50,618 --> 05:00:51,754
I'll drink some water.

4584
05:00:51,754 --> 05:00:53,634
I'll take your questions.

4585
05:00:53,634 --> 05:00:54,786
>> Thank you sir.

4586
05:00:54,786 --> 05:00:56,642
Any questions from the board?

4587
05:00:56,642 --> 05:00:59,420
I'm not seeing any.

4588
05:00:59,434 --> 05:01:01,434
Supervisor.

4589
05:01:02,234 --> 05:01:02,764
>> Yeah.

4590
05:01:02,764 --> 05:01:05,738
We had an ad hoc that was working with the department

4591
05:01:05,738 --> 05:01:10,834
comment to come up with a more specific plan.

4592
05:01:10,834 --> 05:01:14,434
Does this encompass the different plan?

4593
05:01:22,462 --> 05:01:23,450
>> Not for me.

4594
05:01:23,450 --> 05:01:24,420
There was a lot of work that went

4595
05:01:24,420 --> 05:01:26,954
into the ad hoc and meeting.

4596
05:01:26,954 --> 05:01:29,920
I think staff did a really good job

4597
05:01:29,920 --> 05:01:36,520
at trying to answer some of the questions that I had.

4598
05:01:36,620 --> 05:01:39,834
I still have concerns about the county's

4599
05:01:39,834 --> 05:01:41,834
overall fiscal transparency.

4600
05:01:44,394 --> 05:01:47,994
Taking sales tax to the voters.

4601
05:01:49,434 --> 05:01:53,340
I don't think it necessarily provided

4602
05:02:00,194 --> 05:02:03,644
opportunities for future opportunities for future

4603
05:02:03,644 --> 05:02:05,134
plans I think one of the challenges

4604
05:02:05,134 --> 05:02:08,134
that the department has, essentially

4605
05:02:08,980 --> 05:02:14,954
a plan is to bring more information back each year.

4606
05:02:14,954 --> 05:02:19,268
I don't know if Supervisor Williams has --

4607
05:02:19,268 --> 05:02:22,927
>> I felt like I got most of my questions answered.

4608
05:02:22,927 --> 05:02:26,474
Some of it has been incorporated into these slides.

4609
05:02:26,474 --> 05:02:29,722
There's a lot more the director is able to answer directly.

4610
05:02:29,722 --> 05:02:33,884
I think the bottom line is putting

4611
05:02:33,884 --> 05:02:35,860
inflation outside we do spend about 60 million

4612
05:02:35,860 --> 05:02:36,818
per year per the state.

4613
05:02:36,818 --> 05:02:38,640
Not going to spend that.

4614
05:02:38,640 --> 05:02:39,464
Worry about 16 now.

4615
05:02:39,464 --> 05:02:44,238
If we want better roads we have to pay for it.

4616
05:02:44,238 --> 05:02:47,890
The system allocations at state level does not seem quite fair.

4617
05:02:47,890 --> 05:02:50,930
I'm not holding my breath for legislators in L.A.

4618
05:02:50,930 --> 05:02:54,972
And San Francisco Metro to decide to give Mendocino more.

4619
05:02:54,972 --> 05:02:57,814
I think this is our only pathway we want better roads.

4620
05:02:57,814 --> 05:02:59,279
We have to self-fund.

4621
05:02:59,279 --> 05:03:02,879
I think there's other projects that

4622
05:03:03,239 --> 05:03:05,114
are probably dependent on this.

4623
05:03:05,114 --> 05:03:06,561
The annexation talk.

4624
05:03:06,561 --> 05:03:09,756
I've been a proponent of annexation

4625
05:03:09,756 --> 05:03:13,294
that strengthens the county and the city of Ukiah.

4626
05:03:13,294 --> 05:03:16,602
Every time we chip away at funding?

4627
05:03:16,602 --> 05:03:18,200
This would be a big chip.

4628
05:03:18,200 --> 05:03:18,687
5.5 million.

4629
05:03:18,687 --> 05:03:21,640
That possibility becomes more bleak.

4630
05:03:21,640 --> 05:03:25,174
For a host of reasons I think it's appropriate to move forward

4631
05:03:25,174 --> 05:03:25,674
with this.

4632
05:03:25,674 --> 05:03:28,480
And let voters and taxpayers decide together pretty

4633
05:03:28,480 --> 05:03:32,800
we want to buy better roads?

4634
05:03:32,674 --> 05:03:34,274
>> Supervisor.

4635
05:03:34,274 --> 05:03:34,868
>> Yeah.

4636
05:03:34,868 --> 05:03:37,140
There was a slide on the previous

4637
05:03:37,140 --> 05:03:39,900
when you give the presentation earlier.

4638
05:03:39,900 --> 05:03:41,862
The other meeting.

4639
05:03:41,862 --> 05:03:48,462
About the cost of kind of doing nothing or status quo .

4640
05:03:49,624 --> 05:03:54,616
The overall cost increases throughout the years before you

4641
05:03:54,616 --> 05:04:01,216
know it, we have a $600 million gap between what we want

4642
05:04:01,285 --> 05:04:06,850
our roads to be and what we have .

4643
05:04:06,819 --> 05:04:09,940
I wish we had that one on this slide.

4644
05:04:09,940 --> 05:04:12,292
Hope it's available on the website.

4645
05:04:12,292 --> 05:04:16,906
I think that's really important for people to understand.

4646
05:04:16,906 --> 05:04:19,687
We just do what we are doing, we are digging

4647
05:04:19,687 --> 05:04:22,687
a bigger hole for ourselves.

4648
05:04:27,926 --> 05:04:29,759
>> For the public that presentation is still

4649
05:04:29,759 --> 05:04:31,900
on the July 7th board meeting.

4650
05:04:31,900 --> 05:04:32,179
They can go and look at it.

4651
05:04:32,179 --> 05:04:35,767
I think it was R five?

4652
05:04:35,767 --> 05:04:36,296
>> Okay.

4653
05:04:36,296 --> 05:04:37,946
I'm not seeing any more questions.

4654
05:04:37,946 --> 05:04:40,834
Any more from the staff before we go to the public?

4655
05:04:40,834 --> 05:04:47,154
>> Yes sir interim I did want to call it the agenda item also

4656
05:04:47,154 --> 05:04:48,514
this one says majority.

4657
05:04:48,514 --> 05:04:51,410
It is a 4/5 vote requirement.

4658
05:04:51,410 --> 05:04:52,660
I just want to make that note.

4659
05:04:52,660 --> 05:04:54,868
I just wanted to thank the staff for bringing forward

4660
05:04:54,868 --> 05:04:55,870
all the information.

4661
05:04:55,870 --> 05:04:58,340
It was a quick turnaround.

4662
05:04:58,340 --> 05:05:00,944
We tried to address everything that was there.

4663
05:05:00,944 --> 05:05:03,938
I understand there's still some questions potentially

4664
05:05:03,938 --> 05:05:05,930
on general fund.

4665
05:05:05,930 --> 05:05:08,474
I wasn't able to get full clarity from what

4666
05:05:08,474 --> 05:05:10,586
was being requested on that.

4667
05:05:10,586 --> 05:05:13,402
In future, I will just be asking questions

4668
05:05:13,402 --> 05:05:14,578
on what data is needed.

4669
05:05:14,578 --> 05:05:16,791
I really do believe we are trying to be

4670
05:05:16,791 --> 05:05:18,444
as transparent as possible.

4671
05:05:18,444 --> 05:05:22,559
We've got more data for the last 3 to 5 years.

4672
05:05:22,559 --> 05:05:26,334
I just want to thank the staff for all the hard work

4673
05:05:26,334 --> 05:05:28,340
that you guys have done.

4674
05:05:28,340 --> 05:05:30,751
>> Thank you for that, supervisor.

4675
05:05:30,751 --> 05:05:31,251
>> Yeah.

4676
05:05:31,251 --> 05:05:35,425
I also wanted to thank Natalia Barrett and the staff at.

4677
05:05:35,425 --> 05:05:38,771
They've done a lot of work on getting these ready to.

4678
05:05:38,771 --> 05:05:43,420
It is a collaboration to get to this point.

4679
05:05:43,420 --> 05:05:48,190
My feeling is -- we hear people complaining about the roads all

4680
05:05:48,190 --> 05:05:48,830
the time.

4681
05:05:48,830 --> 05:05:52,530
They are coming to the board meeting from far away

4682
05:05:52,530 --> 05:05:55,530
to complain about the roads.

4683
05:05:57,834 --> 05:06:01,542
The easy thing to do would be to just say no.