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anything um I'm happy to do it all but
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not I I hear you had a big push for
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contract went on Wednesday too so was
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yeah it does tell you when you join that
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see so I'm like gonna be
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okay 6 o00 Bo so I'd like to go ahead
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Stephanie Burke I'm a planner here at
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we're so happy to be able to host this
public meeting for the town of menden um

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tonight we'll be looking at the
alternatives for the US rout for

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corridor scoping study this is the
second public meeting that we're having

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for this project and so with that
introduction I'd like to just welcome

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everyone um get settled in and I'll turn
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Jen Conley with
VHB hi everyone I'm going to briefly go

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over the agenda and then we're going to
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introductions um I would say as we get
into the technical presentation my

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request would be that um if you have a
clarifying question you raise it while

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I'm presenting we're going to have
plenty of time for discussion afterwards

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and can go back to slides if you have a
comment or if you have a preference if

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you like something or you don't like
something but during the the during the

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presentation please do interrupt if you
have a clarifying question so that if

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everyone has kind of that same question
all of that information will get

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shared iure how the system to advance
the slides that's gonna be well Jen's

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looking at that I did want to REM
everybody who's joined virtually

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received a message when they logged into
the meeting but tonight's meeting is

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being recorded so just for full
disclosure okay so this is the agenda um

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obviously we're going to start the
welcome and we'll introduce the team in

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just a second we're going to go over
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project is one of the things we
discovered right away at local concerns

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meeting is we do have a lot of concerns
in mendin but the scope of this grant is

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pretty specific so we have to um do
certain things as part of the grant

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we'll talk about the project purpose and
need and that was discussed at the local

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concerns meeting and we'll talk about
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we're going to talk about some
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Corridor before we break into different
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corridor so you'll understand what that
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going to have um some discussion about
Alternatives um evaluation and that's us

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having looked at these Alternatives and
we can talk to you about what those

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potential impacts will be and then we
will have a lot of time for public input

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that's why we're here is to hear how you
feel about these different Alternatives

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um one of the things they are numbered
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but that doesn't mean we don't walk out
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another and three and another it's
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and cons of each um alternative in each
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oh okay so the project team as she in
Stephanie introduced me I'm Jen Conley

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I'm with VHB we are the consultant part
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going to help me answer some questions
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remote is Elizabeth
sunberg yeah there she is um and with me

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in addition we also have Joe vanor who
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um all the materials that you'll see
here today you have already met

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Stephanie from the Rutland Regional
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team who is helping to advise us and
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so I would love maybe Fred if you could
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or if some folks are online um I would
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you wouldn't mind introducing yourselves
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the Town Administrator with the town of
venden lry uh Fred Bagley uh member of

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men on the move and a longtime men
resident Larry crell steering committee

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was on the select board for nine
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on the move and missing this evening is
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representative from menen that is on the
committee great and then our other

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partners in this the folks who gave us
the Grant and we appreciate them and

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they also will provide us input as we
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Gallen I don't know if anyone's Jo if
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have interacted with them and I'm going
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that we've received from them recently
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today FR anyone else I believe there
were there were some oops just like to

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recognize the presence of Senator Brian
Colmore who nicely joined us um and our

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local representative Jim
Harrison thank you both for joining

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us so the project schedule this has been
schedule since um we kicked off back in

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May um we are at the Alternatives
presentation meeting now and um we are

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going to from here come out with a
preferred alternative hopefully we will

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be working with the steering committee
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and ultimately it's something that will
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together then the final the final plan
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report so the project purpose and need
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meeting recap so we presented a draft
project purpose and needs statement and

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some of the things that weren't included
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and some um feedback about lowering the
speed limit due to safety concerns in

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the corridor um and during the course of
the meeting we really talked about the

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existing conditions what what we were
looking at out there what the um the

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traffic volumes were where the crashes
had occurred um as well as some natural

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resource mapping and then public input
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most of the meeting was spent hearing
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concerns and again speeding unsafe
pedestrian Crossings um access

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management big driveways that are
difficult to to walk across um delivery

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movements lack of Road markings or
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and just various safety concerns which I
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concern in the

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corridor so the project purpose the
purpose of the town of menden US Route

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four coridor scoping study is to
identify improvements to enhance safety

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for all users along and across US Route
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enhancing access and Aesthetics to the
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resources so it isn't just in kind of
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concern also with the number of
recreation resources that we have in the

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corridor and how can we make traveling
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little

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safer so the needs were um there's no B
pedestrian and bicycle accommodation the

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corridor lacks safe Crossings sidewalks
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commercial destinations and recre
recreational resources really make it

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challenging uh if you want AC cross to
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calming uh the speeds on this quter are
very high I'm sure that's not a surprise

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to any of you um and they've been noted
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VR um access management and intersection
operations there are a number of

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locations as we look on the corridor
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does is it leads to um uncontrolled
movements I'd say you don't know if

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you're walking across that driveway if
someone's going to pull out way over

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here or way over here what angle they're
going to be at whereas with a tighter

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access it's a more controlled situation
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angle which makes it a little slower and
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um Transit improvements was were also
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obviously by the bus and um stops lack
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accommodation so the project area is
pretty clear it is the uh us rout four

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corridor from one end to the other and
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Killington and includes that that entire

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Corridor so after we left the um the
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purpose and need I think a couple of
overarching themes came up when we

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started thinking about what what our
alternative should be here so I'm going

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to just talk about some of these
overarching themes to give you something

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to think about and we can get into
discussion as I said later once once we

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start evaluating alternative the the
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are um they can be applied to any part
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kind of bringing them up as a separate
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access management there's already been
as I a few times you've already heard me

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say something about the the large
driveways what we're showing here um in

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this image in green is what could be
let's call it a grass Island to better

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control some of the access points this
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in with the orchard across the street to
see can we tighten up some of those

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driveways of course you have to do it on
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Allen pools I can't tighten it up like I
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still need to allow for the move
extractor trailer to pull in and and do

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its thing on their site um whereas some
some other driveways it's more

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appropriate to go with a a narrower
opening but the theme Remains the Same

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that to have that much pavement makes
the driver feel while they're driving on

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us4 like they're on a bigger highway I
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find is Killington when you travel
through Killington because the pavement

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just keeps going up to those businesses
it feels as wi it is as wide as a

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highway that's why it feels as wide as
the highway and people really lay on the

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gas there um as soon as you start
defining that edge and making people

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feel a little tighter it does make
people drive a little slower so this

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this access management will improve the
safety for folks walking along us4 but

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it will also help to control those
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they're in a place and have and they go
a little slower to have um something on

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both sides instead of just AAL
pavement is that a clear concept people

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know what're what we're talking about

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there the other thing is safe Crossings
and Transit stops so that came up and it

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is it is a a tougher challenge to um
accomplish on a quarter as varied as

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this at the far left end we have the um
the village District and there could be

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a different type of Crossing in a
village District maybe than there would

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be out on us4 and so what we tried to do
here was identify spots that seemed

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appropriate for potential Crossings and
um we we'll talk a little bit more about

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um how to accommodate Transit stops as
well but that's kind of an overarching

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theme that that we would like to try to
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the

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Alternatives a longterm ter
consideration theme is how to treat the

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climbing Lanes one of the things that I
was really struck by was the concern

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about high speeds and as I said The
Wider the road is the more comfortable

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you feel driving it at a higher rate of
speed so we did an analysis of those

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climbing Lanes to make sure they are
warranted at all locations now I don't

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think anyone can deny that once you turn
that corner past Sugar and Spice that

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that is quite a hill and if you're stuck
behind a heavy truck you're going to go

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pretty slow and it's going to be
frustrating so there certainly are

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locations that based on the steepness
and the number of trucks that climbing

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lanes are very appropriate however our
evaluations showed that there might be

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some other stretches along this quarter
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doesn't meet the the warrant for
climbing Lan and so we did have a

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conversation with VR about this and of
course because this grant as I mentioned

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has some limitations this is really a
bicycle and pedestrian study Grant so

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elimination of a climbing Lane is
certainly beyond the scope of this study

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and not something that would be
evaluated until a real you know um a big

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construction job is done on the segment
of us4 but V Trend did say it isn't off

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the table in a longterm way and so
that's something that I think I thought

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was was at least a good potential for a
way to slow the traffic down one of the

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issues we know is the safety at the
other parts of the quarter not just in

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the in the village has been a problem
especially this summer and so anything

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we can do to cause the drivers to travel
a little slower and even if that means

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sometimes you might be stuck behind a
truck um I think it is an advantage

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towards slowing that traffic down so
again this isn't something that

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ultimately will be a buildable project
that comes out of this grant but it is

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something that we would put in if if the
the group if um the engagement says yes

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we're supportive of that that you could
put into a long-term recommendation for

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the

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agent so now I'm going to get into those
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Alternatives so we divided the quarter
up to there little lag into three

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segments so the first segment is what we
called the you know the district segment

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that's from Townline Road to meal Lake
Drive and that is where we want that

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Village District feel um we want that to
be a little different than the more

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rural segment segment two is a short
segment but it's an important one

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because that's a transition between what
is the Village area and what is the more

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rural area and so we wanted to treat
that separately and have some

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conversation specifically about that
area and then the final segment is is

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how do we want to treat from there all
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line so I won't list them here because I
think it's more effective to actually

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see them so in segment one which is the
village the first alter alternative is

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really a low build I would call it it's
working with the existing pavement to

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better define space for bicyclists and
pedestrians and the way we can do that

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is instead of having 14 foot Lanes we
don't need 14 foot Lanes a more standard

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Lane width is about 11 to 12 feet we can
constrain the driver with the roadway

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striping with with the the striping to
create a little buffer space and then

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establishing space on the edge of the
road for bicyclist and

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pestering so this is a lower cost
alternative that just does a better job

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than what you have out there today by
making the lane widths narrower to slow

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the traffic creating a buffer which we
hope those cars don't drive into we

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we're telling them where we want them to
drive and we don't want them within two

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feet of our cyclist or our pedestrian
and then defining that space for

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bicyclists and
pedestrians so as I said this is more of

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a low build alternative is this looking
West this is right now we are looking

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West yes this is that ski shop here in
the far distance and J is there withd

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right now to accomplish that in both
east and west bound Lanes there is yes

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so as you'll see in the picture on the
left the existing is about a 14ot lane

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in each Direction and a six foot
shoulder so each side is about 20 feet

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wide so I suggest we reallocate it and
this is just at an example location it

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varies by the width varies a little by
location but at this location if we

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reallocate that 20t on each side to an
11t Lane a twoot buffer and a 7 foot

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shoulder that does a nicer job of
keeping the cars away from you while

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you're walking on that shoulder or while
you're riding your bike on that shoulder

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is that sorry does that at all increase
um the potential for headon

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collisions no 11 feet has has been VR is
going to 11 ft in most cases it is it's

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shown to be a safe um l
a you want the bicycle Riders on the

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opposite side of that line I would
assume right in the line correct I don't

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know if it work for you maybe if you put
some grooves in certain areas of that

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would help you out a little that that's
one of the thing that is allowed in the

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guidance that in those two feet you can
use you know rumbles of some sort do

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people's driveways but in certain open
areas it wouldn't be worse yeah the

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challenge if save someone's life driving
at night too you know y yeah definitely

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um one of the challenges you run into
with doing anything with grooves though

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is the noise they make so it it tends VR
tends to get into trouble when they in

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incorporate those near when they first
been which was really good move because

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doesn't make people go on the side of
the road I thought people

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had B
breaks hear that yeah but certainly is

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something that you know that buffer area
you could put that in just to remind

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people I mean it certainly I will tell
you when you drive in the snow which we

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all do um having those in the center
lines when C line I mean you know the

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road's covered in snow you don't know
where that double is it's a nice

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reminder plus a lot of tourists and
other people some truck drivers they

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just take the wrong lane and try to keep
the momentum B right there was another

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that my question too
okay okay so we're clear on this is like

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I said I i' call this a low build
because it's a little less expensive

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working with what we have so again in
segment one in the village district one

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of the things we looked at was putting
in a 5 foot sidewalk on one side of the

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street now with that one of the things
that patrian was concerned about is

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still maintaining the roadway width so
they want there to be um a six foot

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shoulder uh and in this case an 11 foot
lane 11 to 12 feet that they tend to

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like but um I think in the in the
village District we convinced them 11

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feet is appropriate um and so that does
come out to be five feet wider than what

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we currently have so I call your
attention to that now we'll get into the

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evaluation later that does have an
impact that five sidewalk then is

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outside of what is the existing paved
width so if you think of where the

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pavement ends starting at that point is
where your sidewalk would be so that

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does have an impact it is still within
the right of way it is still within

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vran's property but it will have a
perceived impact by the people who live

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along that stretch you'll you'll feel
like people walking on that sidewalk are

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closer to your house than you're used to
the traveling public

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being any questions on
not yes how much pedestrian traffic is

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there is more well so there isn't a lot
of pedestrian traffic now but I think a

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lot of that is because of how
inhospitable the environment is and we

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know we see people cross between sugar
and spice and the mini golf for example

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so there are some pedestrians we know
that the coffee shop obviously created a

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new destination and there is the hope I
know um the steering committee told us

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with some um potential changes to zoning
and more more businesses coming in they

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want to encourage this sort of
environment and create more of a a

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downtown now this is part of your grant
program that you're dealing with this

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right now yes so what ends up to is a
grant big enough to do that or should

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you be looking at a tiff well let's
let's talk about um the grant process

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the grant that we have currently is to
do the study and come out with

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recommended Alternatives that is a tool
the town then uses to apply for the next

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grant for construction so it is
something when we get to the end we'll

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talk a little bit about costs of things
and um you know you don't want this to

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be yes of course you could say yes we
want a shared use path on both sides of

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the road in fact we want separated C
great separated Crossings let's put

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bridges over for people to cross that's
great but that might not be a fundable

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project so I you know when we get to
that point we'll talk about um you know

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we want to create we want this to be a
plan that is buildable and implementable

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ultimately
which is again why it's important P

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trans and talk to them about these
things so this is another alternative

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for segment one what this does is it it
creates that eight foot chair PA use

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path instead of a five- foot sidewalk
it's now wide enough that someone can be

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riding their bike on it as well um so
that takes that bicycle traffic if you

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are a strong cyclist we know there's so
many out there who ride route four all

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the time which is great for them but not
all of us feel that comfortable on Route

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four and would much rather be on a path
on the side so similar to the sidewalk

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alternative obviously this does have an
impact this does widen things um and you

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know as such that does have an
imp but it does help that cyclist which

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you you know the the goal as I said the
purpose and need of this study was to

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attempt to better accommodate um BOS and
pedestrians

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both that extend outside the RightWay no
there's still plenty of RightWay

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yes so um in segment one as we talked
about climbing Lanes we have we I have

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two things to touch on here um the the
beginning of it from Town Line Road is

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warranted it is steep enough the truck
numbers are high enough it is

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appropriate to have a climbing Lane but
as we all know you feel like it closes

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and then it almost immediately opens
back up again and um one of the things

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that we could do here is close it sooner
which would provide in that Village

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District a um you know a lower traveling
speed because it would calm the traffic

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a little bit so this is certainly
something we we hope VR will consider as

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as projects move

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forward so one of the things I'm going
to mention here as I said one of our

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themes is strategic Crossings and when
we get into the conversation we can talk

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about like I said I have been here often
enough I've been to Bull Sugar and Spice

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and men and minii golf often enough and
I just drive through this corter I know

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that I have seen enough pedestrians
Crossing at that location it was also

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suggested to me another potential
Crossing location especially if there's

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a sidewalk or a shered 's path on one
side of the street would be down by the

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orchard in in Allen pools and so those
are two locations that folks have

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brought up to us in in public feedback
um we can talk about whether those are

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the right places if we were going to put
in crosswalks or if we should be

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thinking about other locations

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in in this location in a village
environment it would be a striped

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crosswalk like you're used to seeing
here in R and do you expect traffic to

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stop while people are walking through
that or how how you trying to figure

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that out yeah I mean that is the law we
know

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trying of course and so what we try to
do with this is we're trying to slow the

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traffic with our design and bringing the
paving the aspect to it yeah yeah

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slower it's then easier for you to see
that Gap it's easier for them to see you

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before they're on top of you you know it
does make a aest and Crossing is a more

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safe option do they those lights they
have where you can push a button and

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they flash that that is always an option
yeah to have that sort of a treatment um

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we can talk about just in general
lighting I know that's something I think

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Fred had brought up is you know whether
lighting was um you know is lighting

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appropriate isn't in the right places
and certainly where we expect

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pedestrians to across is a very
appropriate place to be careful with our

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lighting have you looked at um lighting
up that whole Road I have not looked at

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it but that is something that at the end
of this as we get into our discussion

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about Alternatives that's when we have
that conversation if we think that's

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something that's appropriate because
something like lighting and any

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aesthetic improvements can be added to
any um any of the

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Alternatives um and especially if we do
put in a sidewalk or a crosswalk um

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periodic lighting along it is a nice way
to bring drivers's attention to the fact

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there's an expectation of pedestrians
even if they're not there at the moment

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there's the expectation of them being

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there all right if there wasn't any
technical question on segment one I'm

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going to move into segment
two anything pop up on line yet Rose

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okay all right so again this is the what
I call the transition zone from Meadow

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Lake to Medway
there we um and so right now this is

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just a screenshot of a certain spot
that's 44 and a half fet wide um it one

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of the things I don't like about this
area is the 15.5 foot um Lane in the 6

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and 1/2 foot shoulder how many of us
have seen someone fade over to the right

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and someone they'll so they'll be
driving to a breast here that is what we

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don't want because that is everyone
jockeying to go faster and so that that

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is definitely a problem and an 11 foot
shoulder becomes a problem at times too

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because you can have someone think that
that is Lan as well so although it's

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great to have a generous shoulder to
make a a cyclist or a pedestrian feel

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safe they don't feel safe if a car comes
down because 11 feet is wide enough to

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be be a lane so this is again kind of
the lighter alternative because it still

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works with the width we have it
reallocates that width now um because

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again the width varies in this
transition zone significantly what I've

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put here is we could go with a 12T Lane
and we could have a minimum of a twoot

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buffer again to Define that space for
pedestrians in a Min minimum of a six

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foot shoulder the buffer space however
as the road widens the buffer and that

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shoulder space can get bigger what we
want to do is not necessarily have a tw-

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foot um buffer into really really wide
space I don't want someone to think it's

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a lane we want to balance we want it to
be clear this is too narrow to be a lane

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this is the buffer in the the bikes and
the the pets are are on the other side

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of that and one of the things I would
like to do in this segment if we can is

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make the line striping match what we
want that until they're out of this

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transition zone it doesn't widen so that
folks can use it in two lanes as they're

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getting their speed on and going up the
hill we want to keep it in a single Lane

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and keep the speeds low in this
transition zone you ever cross an area

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because I've seen a lot of people use
the shoulder think it's a lane it's

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pretty SC most most definitely um yes so
there is there there's uh you'll see

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some markings actually in the next um
the next concept um that Define that and

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one of the things you do especially if
you're trying to transition from what

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will be a high speed as you're come down
the hill into the village District which

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we're hoping we're really going to lower
that speed um you paint those lines so

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they get closer so that you feel like
you're accelerating even if you're

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keeping your same speed and it if that
is another effective tool to to work

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with the drivers joh if you put lines on
the opening there because they w't stick

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in the lane but if you just put some
yellow lines through it it would

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probably stop people from doing that
yeah even the double line is very

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effective because it you know if there's
a single line it could be just a lan

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line once it's two it it does cue folks
that it's something

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different so one of the things we also
talked about is in this transition zone

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should we do something like striping
with delineated marking there should we

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do something with either banners or
signage or something so this is the same

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Geographic um not Geographic excuse me
this is the same like Lane configuration

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as I showed before but it's just should
we do other things to make people

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realize they're arriving at a place
because that does tend to make people

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slow down and I'm going to give some
other example those were just a few

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examples so these are other Gateway
treatment examples that people use

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whether it's fencing whether it is a
line of planted treat that makes you

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feel like you're in a place whether it's
banners whether it's lighting um there's

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a number of options there and you know
we can talk about that when we get to

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discussion but that's alternative to is
really about we can do whatever we want

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with the striping but how else can we
communicate to the driver they've

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arrived somewhere because this section I
don't think is appropriate for

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pedestrian treatment it's very steep
it's you know drops off it it it doesn't

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call out for that sort of arrival we
want them to realize they're arriving at

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a place in a different way and so we're
going to try to think of what cues we

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could do so that's our second

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alternative and then our third
alternative is again looking at what we

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can do with widths and how we could if
we did tighten it up as I showed you

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before we had on that one a minimum of
two feet in the buffer up to four feet

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shoulder was a minimum of I think six
feet and it could be if we kept the F

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narrow here in this example for you can
see the the red shading is two and a

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half feet of the road goes away
basically should we make the road

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physically narrower is there an
opportunity in this transition zone to

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really make the driver feel like they're
they're being tightened and they need to

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go slower to communicate to them and so
in this situation it's not just striping

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the edge to edge it's should we actually
narrow that a little so they feel a

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little more constrained as they're
coming into this

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Z any questions on segment two we had a
question online about segment one it was

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00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:16,040
asked if the shared use path or sidewalk
would be from metalik drive to Townline

419
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:21,799
Road and what would happen to the
cyclists and pedestrians once that ended

420
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:26,280
if that alternative was chosen so that
can be determined today we laid it out

421
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:30,920
as if it would be that higher length to
answer that question and um in

422
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:35,480
situations where you have a shared use
path that isn't leading to something

423
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:38,960
else you do typically sign that and you
think about where the folks are going to

424
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:43,240
want to go at the end so do you put a
turnaround at the end or do you assume

425
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:47,040
that they may head down metal Lake Road
or you know what what is it that they

426
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:50,760
want to do at that point and think about
where where else they can go whether

427
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:54,960
it's just for recreation and they'll you
turn and go back or whether um but

428
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:57,440
either way we we would sign if that the
path would

429
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:08,880
um just for discussion um we also
thought that it was a safe access to get

430
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:13,760
off of um route four and go down Park
Lane into Post Road in Rutland town and

431
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:18,880
be able to access their Recreation H
area and then they're doing a sidewalk

432
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:24,079
project off of Post Road so I think
we're not the only Town looking at this

433
00:51:21,799 --> 00:51:29,839
Killington is underway with a study
similar to this on

434
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:33,200
um on rout four as well so I would
expect that Rutland toown may be

435
00:51:31,319 --> 00:51:37,200
interested in doing something similar as
well before you get down into Rin

436
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:45,240
City can you go back one slide to the
one where you reduce the total width by

437
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:49,760
two feet is are there guard rails and
stuff and that's that would yes and so

438
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:54,760
in this in this case we wouldn't suggest
to eliminate the guard rails but I mean

439
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:58,400
if you if you were to to you have to
move the guard in is that is that you

440
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:02,960
don't because the guard rails are still
protecting from the hazard the hazard is

441
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:07,640
the Steep Bank yeah so in that case the
guard rails can stay where they are um

442
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:13,119
it's just a matter of if it is gravel
for those last two feet even if you were

443
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:17,400
to go astray you would you know the idea
is you still feel like you are are

444
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:20,640
narrowed you're so there's no federal
requirement that the guardrails have to

445
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:25,040
be at the edge of the pavement there can
be a twoof foot buffer or something

446
00:52:22,839 --> 00:52:30,960
there certainly can yes I mean in a lot
of cases guard gril or even on the other

447
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,960
side of you know pedestrian facility I

448
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:44,280
mean all right getting into segment
three so to start out with segment Three

449
00:52:42,359 --> 00:52:49,319
As We Know looks a lot like this most of
the time um and so this is that same

450
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:54,760
kind of low build that we talked about
this is reallocating that existing

451
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:59,520
pavement to make the leans slightly
narrower so that we're able to get that

452
00:52:56,559 --> 00:53:05,280
buffer and to get that six foot shoulder
um and depending on the area in some

453
00:53:02,839 --> 00:53:09,960
some places I can tell you again much
like segment two that buffer in that

454
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:13,880
shoulder could be pretty sizable because
the the roadway width is very

455
00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:19,040
significant but this does a better job
of not creating what feels like a lane

456
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:23,640
for example you know the S feet and
existing you have a 12ft lane a 12 and

457
00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:26,920
a2t lane and then a 7ot shoulder that
does feel like those are Highway itions

458
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:32,760
you feel like you can drive it like
you're on I 89 and so if we are to

459
00:53:29,799 --> 00:53:38,000
narrow the lanes and put in that that
narrow buffer to to just provide that um

460
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:43,880
that space between the the cyclists and
the pedestrians and the traveling public

461
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,880
that's again that low build

462
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:54,599
alternative okay alternative two is hard
to see but it is an 8ft shered juice

463
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:57,960
path on the North side now one of the
things that we'll get into there's a

464
00:53:56,319 --> 00:54:03,640
there's a bunch of evaluation that we
talk about impacts as you might imagine

465
00:54:00,799 --> 00:54:08,079
there are some impacts we can easily
accommodate an 8 foot shared juuse path

466
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:12,520
within the right of way the right of way
here is incred was it 30 feet outside of

467
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:18,160
the pavement width on each side yeah
like 25 to 35 yeah so there's 25 to 30

468
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:23,119
feet of Right of Way Beyond what is
currently paved so we are able to

469
00:54:20,839 --> 00:54:27,680
accommodate this what we would suggest
is a shared use path that would not be

470
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:32,040
located right next to the road obviously
it's safer if it's a little separated

471
00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:36,000
and it'll be a nicer path to travel if
it's a little separated however you'll

472
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:40,119
see and I think it might be my next
slide um there are some constraints we'd

473
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:43,880
have to think about when we think about
a shared use path though we were

474
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:48,079
thinking about what we had talked about
here and what our purpose and need said

475
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:52,960
in the locations where it may be
appropriate for a shared use path would

476
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:59,000
be between the New Forest Service
headquarters where we expect there to be

477
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:03,839
a hub of activity and people that are
going

478
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:08,400
hiking excuse me we know also that
obviously at the other end of the

479
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:12,799
corridor there is um the Appalachian
Trail The Long Trail the Catamount Trail

480
00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:16,400
and soon we're going to have the
bellamont trail passing through this

481
00:55:21,319 --> 00:55:27,680
area
um so looking at what an8

482
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:39,799
foot if you at the local concerns
meeting you've seen this graphic and

483
00:55:38,359 --> 00:55:44,599
this calls out some of those things I
just mentioned the the forest Service

484
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:49,720
headquarters is located down here the
Vista senior living and the um

485
00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:52,920
Killington Resort housing in the middle
and then further up is where the

486
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:58,280
appalation trail and the Long Trail
Crossing

487
00:55:54,000 --> 00:56:02,960
is this is the resource mapping that I
shared although it's hard to see the key

488
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:09,400
you can tell that there are a number of
wetlands in the bright green there are a

489
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:14,280
number of river Brook Etc Crossings
there are there are certainly some

490
00:56:10,839 --> 00:56:19,240
hazards now um talking to permitting
experts is still something that is

491
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:23,920
permittable it is possible it will have
some impacts to Wetlands but those

492
00:56:21,319 --> 00:56:28,599
impacts will be linear and will be on an
existing transportation

493
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:33,079
quor so it is they are likely to be
approved and in addition we have the

494
00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:37,240
flexibility although we would like a
larger buffer if we did put in a shared

495
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:41,960
use path we have the ability to move it
closer to the road the road Edge in a

496
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:46,839
lot of places has almost a 10- foot
shoulder and then a 10- foot like graval

497
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:52,400
area that's pretty much graded so we
could get pretty close to the edge of

498
00:56:48,839 --> 00:56:58,960
Road and have very little impact to um
to Wetlands as a result so

499
00:56:56,559 --> 00:57:04,000
um excuse me I'm so
sorry ultimately a p a path like this

500
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:09,520
we're showing it for about two and a
half miles um does have obviously a cost

501
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,839
associated with it and we'll get into
some of that in the

502
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:23,799
evaluation we also thought about a
shared use path on the cell set I I'm so

503
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:26,799
sorry have a tickle in my throat
now

504
00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:35,520
we didn't have another question online
just about segment two and if there

505
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:40,160
could be an option for creating a
separated path near the river um so

506
00:57:38,359 --> 00:57:45,839
bikes and PS aren't up on that section
of Route

507
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:51,240
four um that is probably an option but
we have to look at um there are

508
00:57:48,359 --> 00:57:56,200
certainly of a part as we know where the
river is within the right of way and so

509
00:57:53,359 --> 00:57:59,839
that may be possible the exact alignment
would have to be worked out as it were

510
00:57:57,559 --> 00:58:03,240
to move along if that is the preferred
alternative we' do a little bit of

511
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:07,280
looking at what that potential alignment
could look like um and that is

512
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:10,839
appropriate but obviously Where the
River crosses outside of the the right

513
00:58:09,319 --> 00:58:15,520
of way it becomes a little bit more
difficult because that land is not under

514
00:58:12,799 --> 00:58:15,520
um VR

515
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:25,720
control um so this this contemplated the
sheries path on the South Side uh

516
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:30,760
similar issu similar resource you know
constraints but the RightWay is generous

517
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:34,319
and it certainly is a potential
alternative how do you get over the

518
00:58:32,359 --> 00:58:39,079
cobbert there's some huge certs going up
on that

519
00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:44,280
road well I would liken it to the
existing um you know the way the Long

520
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:48,960
Trail is handled you can do a really low
profile Bridge or

521
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:52,920
something you know or or put in a
smaller Culvert or you know an

522
00:58:51,079 --> 00:58:57,440
appropriately sized Culvert depending on
where exactly it's going to be but it is

523
00:58:55,160 --> 00:59:01,720
certainly a challenge and in some cases
especially when the menion brook is Big

524
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:05,599
it may have to come up by the road by
the road for a bit some of the C on my

525
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:10,319
store is probably you know bigger than
the ceiling and one of the things we'

526
00:59:07,839 --> 00:59:13,839
have to look at too is you know what is
the the life cycle where are those culit

527
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,680
in their life cycle and is it
appropriate is there a Time coming where

528
00:59:15,319 --> 00:59:20,400
they're going to be replaced anyway
could they be sized to accommodate well

529
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:25,240
you go I don't know how you do it I'll
just no no no it's definitely it's

530
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:30,599
certainly a consideration
any other questions could you just um

531
00:59:28,039 --> 00:59:36,440
review on on each of the three
Alternatives um what if it's going to be

532
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:41,240
on one side or the other side what about
the cyclists who are going in the

533
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:48,000
opposite direction yeah so in any of
these Alternatives we would still have

534
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:52,200
much like um we wouldn't be changing the
roadway

535
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:57,119
configuration so we would probably still
propose something like this for the

536
00:59:54,240 --> 01:00:01,119
roadway configuration to define space on
Route four because you are always going

537
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:06,119
to have a cyclist who prefers to be on
the road and not be on a path with as

538
01:00:03,079 --> 01:00:11,280
lot pedestrian pedestrians walking you
will have that cyclist who wants to get

539
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:15,640
speed and and act almost more like a car
and I was I was thinking of cyclists who

540
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:22,400
are using the pavement on one side of
the road yet don't want to cross all the

541
01:00:19,359 --> 01:00:26,960
traffic just to get on uh the selected
path on the other side entirely possible

542
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:32,119
and um and in this case we're still
trying to Define that space with

543
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:35,920
buffers on the road thank you they vary
the whist pretty wildly on that road

544
01:00:34,359 --> 01:00:40,559
though don't they they do yeah they
really do yeah yeah and so that's

545
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:44,440
something obviously I think that I think
well I think it's obvious but we'll see

546
01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:47,920
if you all agree um that you know moving
forward in a long-term situation that we

547
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:52,480
would really want them to be a little
more careful about what th what those

548
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:55,559
Lane widths would be and again to manage
the shoulder if the shoulder is going to

549
01:00:53,920 --> 01:01:00,039
stay as wide as it is let's make sure
it's defined with a buffer to to provide

550
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:04,160
that extra space because if you are
within three feet of a tractor trailer

551
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:08,440
going by you you don't feel so good you
know so you really wanted to find that

552
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:08,440
buffer

553
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:14,760
space any other

554
01:01:15,799 --> 01:01:20,319
questions all right then we get

555
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:29,039
into so one of the other things we
talked about were bus stops now bus

556
01:01:26,799 --> 01:01:36,599
stops are a little bit more complicated
because again this segment is a real

557
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:40,960
rural segment um and it isn't there
isn't one a location or an appropriate

558
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:45,359
place to put a bus shelter that's going
to be outside of vr's clear Zone that

559
01:01:43,359 --> 01:01:49,799
they like to maintain so one of the
things that we were thinking about and

560
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:54,119
there is one in the study area but it is
not as good so the farle picture is you

561
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:59,480
know a pull off that's in the the study
area is right near Willer road that

562
01:01:56,799 --> 01:02:03,279
pulloff however is very long and you can
at a high rate of speed pull into that

563
01:02:01,279 --> 01:02:07,000
pull off that is not what we're
proposing here what we would be talking

564
01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:09,640
about is one of the other two on the
right which are two others that are

565
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:13,119
located on Route four that I was
familiar with they are very tight if

566
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:16,960
you're in a car and you want to pull
into that pull off you have to be going

567
01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:25,000
about 10 miles an hour to pull into it
it's very short it comes up on you in

568
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:28,720
um the the way it is designed does not
allow for a car to enter it at a high

569
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:33,680
rate of Speed without them hitting the
guardrail and so what we would propose

570
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:38,799
and VR would be amendable to is
especially at all Turnpike Road which is

571
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:41,599
really the location that has someone
waiting for the bus the most often that

572
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:45,200
I have seen it and we've gotten the
information from the bus and it's

573
01:02:43,319 --> 01:02:49,000
confirmed that's really the stop other
stops have a person occasionally but

574
01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:53,559
this is the location that very
consistently has um Transit folks

575
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:59,440
waiting for transit or getting dropped
off um I would propose something on the

576
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:03,440
far side from Old Turnpike that um just
provides a little bit of space there for

577
01:03:01,279 --> 01:03:09,200
for the driver for the um person waiting
for Transit but that but also does it in

578
01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:14,160
a way that the transit allow it but that
it is not appropriate for someone to

579
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:18,640
enter at a high rate of speed that the
driver would not be tempted to use it in

580
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:21,559
some way so that it is a safe space for
a pedestrian to

581
01:03:23,279 --> 01:03:29,000
stand
and did you look at turnarounds at all

582
01:03:27,319 --> 01:03:34,480
in that road because that's a big
problem too we did not I mean it's a

583
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:37,559
little bit beyond the scope of you know
there no I mean I have people do it in

584
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:41,200
my driveway all time which I don't
really care it's not a big deal um but

585
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:45,839
it seems to be a problem with people you
know get or something like that and they

586
01:03:43,319 --> 01:03:49,799
have to turn around which would maybe we
can slow them down so they don't miss

587
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:54,440
their turn
y so one of the things we talked about

588
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:58,720
is in this segment if I were to put in
strategic Crossings where would I put

589
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:03,039
them and how would I do
that

590
01:04:00,319 --> 01:04:07,839
so and again we can get into a debate
later but the locations I identified is

591
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:11,920
obviously that existing Appalachian
Trail Long Trail Crossing we know all

592
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:16,119
summer there's people crossing there um
another location is a is at mend

593
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:22,559
Mountain View with the um discussions
that VRA may be converted as well to um

594
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:27,480
Resort housing if that ends up happening
and there's cross traffic there's a

595
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:31,599
carless population at both locations who
work together up on the mountain there

596
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:37,440
may be cross you know pedestrians
Crossing there and there may be some

597
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:42,720
folks associated with the forest head um
headquarters that are catching the bus

598
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:46,680
or you know whether it's they work there
or they went there when they're hiking

599
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:52,079
some of the trail or something that may
become a destination the road across

600
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:56,000
from it too yes Y road across the street
from it um so those were a couple of

601
01:04:54,160 --> 01:05:00,559
locations I identified we certainly can
talk about those a little bit more as as

602
01:04:58,039 --> 01:05:03,720
we um as we move along and we can talk
about what those impacts would

603
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:10,920
be and again as I said that long-term
consideration something that um brr

604
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:15,839
could keep in the back of their minds
for when they reconstruct this room

605
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:20,480
you'll see in segment three there is a
an area

606
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:25,119
that's now although for that stretch
things are pretty flat and that could be

607
01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:30,440
a candidate for elimination the climbing
Lane it is only a half a mile long it is

608
01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:35,319
or it's less than half a mile I believe
it is not long enough to transition that

609
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:39,520
climbing Lane in and really have any
distance to travel before you have to

610
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:44,160
transition it back out again so we do
not suggest that it be eliminated in

611
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:47,720
that segment however there is what I
believe is about two and a half miles or

612
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:53,319
something to that effect of additional
climbing Lane that makes sense if we can

613
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:57,960
eliminate it to be able to eliminate it
and that would in that far section of

614
01:05:55,640 --> 01:06:02,880
the corridor might help us to be able to
narrow the road and slow the traffic

615
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:07,359
down and although there still would be
climbing Lane through a big chunk of

616
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:11,640
mendan if it's slower and calmed at one
end and slower and calmed at the other

617
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:14,200
end that just that changes kind of the
way the driver is approaching driving

618
01:06:13,279 --> 01:06:18,720
through the
sper again this is a longer term

619
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:23,240
consideration and this is something
beyond the scope of this project but is

620
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:28,279
something that came to mind to me when
we were really concerned about speeds

621
01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:34,559
and how do we change the character of
the now I'm going to Bor you to death

622
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:38,720
with a million CS here the evaluation
Matrix so some this first one is

623
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:43,799
particularly important which is thinking
about cost safety and Community

624
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:48,920
character in segment one and so as you
can see in general all of our

625
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:52,599
Alternatives bring us some improvement
defining the space better or providing a

626
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:57,480
separate facility is going to make
bicycles to The Pedestrian feel a little

627
01:06:54,559 --> 01:07:02,520
safer it can in some cases improve the
aesthetic it does satisfy the purpose

628
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:08,000
and need of this study every alternative
gives us some positive the uh cost

629
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:12,200
associated with alternative one which is
working with the just changing pavement

630
01:07:09,799 --> 01:07:16,520
markings obviously is less than an
alternative that provides a sidewalk or

631
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,520
a share

632
01:07:18,599 --> 01:07:25,760
DP any
questions so far we can back if you're

633
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:31,000
doing the first that's cheaper yes you
develop that into a do you understand

634
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:34,480
what I'm saying yes you know so was you
know you laying out x amount of dolls

635
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:38,559
and if it seems to be working you can
push it into the other area certainly

636
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:43,039
that is something that ultimately we can
talk about is how to phase improvements

637
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:46,720
as well if there's something that you
like here but that you think you know if

638
01:07:45,079 --> 01:07:50,839
we want to be competitive to get another
Grant maybe we go for this and we see it

639
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:55,920
do pedestrian start using the quter and
if so we go for that we can talk about

640
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:55,920
some of that as well

641
01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:02,039
all right in segment two which is our
transition zone alternative one again

642
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:07,880
was working with the current width and
making some changes alternative to is

643
01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:11,160
considering some plac making um and
again that could be a wide variety of

644
01:08:09,559 --> 01:08:16,120
things depending on what you all are
interested in we thought um banners or

645
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:23,120
you know something to Define your
arriving at the town or and then um you

646
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:26,960
know the delineated markings and again
providing the buffering for the

647
01:08:30,839 --> 01:08:34,759
shoulders any questions on

648
01:08:38,759 --> 01:08:48,560
that okay and then the third one is the
rural segment now again alternative one

649
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:53,480
does start to improve things for cyclist
and pedestrians by defining space the

650
01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:57,480
other Alternatives in a bigger way meet
the purpose in need because obviously if

651
01:08:55,319 --> 01:09:02,480
you have allow those cyclists and
pedestrians to be in a separate facility

652
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,480
it's safer for

653
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:14,480
them then we start talking about those
anticipated um impacts as I have laid

654
01:09:12,759 --> 01:09:18,480
out to you the right of we this Corridor
is very generous so we don't anticipate

655
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:23,799
our Alternatives having an impact on the
right of way we don't anticipate much of

656
01:09:21,759 --> 01:09:28,319
an impact to utilities there could be
some depending on where we're going to

657
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:32,040
try to avoid the wet lens which is also
identified as a potential impact

658
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:35,960
depending on the alignment there are
some utilities there that um you know

659
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:40,679
there's some overhead wires that um we
need to work around those pools Etc any

660
01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:46,560
impact as I said would likely be on the
Lower Side um but those those impacts

661
01:09:44,799 --> 01:09:51,520
there is a potential for that because
unlike working in the roadway footprint

662
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:51,520
we are going further

663
01:09:52,719 --> 01:09:58,800
out
in segment two we really are not

664
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:02,040
proposing to make the road further out
the road is plenty wide and our

665
01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:06,320
Alternatives who have presented here
today are trying to make it feel

666
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:11,239
narrower and trying to Define it so the
impacts really are are nothing in this

667
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:16,800
in this area with the exception of the
cost that we've already

668
01:10:13,719 --> 01:10:21,239
talked and then in segment three there
are um you know a little bit more

669
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:24,760
there's some agricultural lands that
need to be considered there's Wetlands

670
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:28,880
that need to be considered for potential
impacts we do have plenty of right of

671
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:34,159
way that is not an issue um but there
are going to be new impervious surfaces

672
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:37,760
so that is something that um is just
something we need to keep track of and

673
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:41,239
you know we can talk a little bit about
that you know as far as as we do

674
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:55,360
permitting okay then there's the
anticipated permitting now most things

675
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:58,800
are not anticipated in segment one
because we are working in an area that

676
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:05,120
does not have much in the way of
environmental or um resource constraints

677
01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:08,239
as the rest of the corridor did and in
many cases we're keeping our footprint

678
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:12,560
pretty close to what it is we're just
going slightly outside so the um

679
01:11:10,679 --> 01:11:16,239
permitting is not anticipated to be
significant in segment

680
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:28,520
one um as we get into segment two as
well we're staying in our same footprint

681
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:32,199
we're not expecting issues with
permitting permitting that should be

682
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:35,640
pretty
straightforward segment three however

683
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:39,639
though when we're talking about a
separate shared use path alternative two

684
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:43,480
and three end up having some more per
permitting

685
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:49,199
implications um and there are certainly
some things we need to be thinking about

686
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:53,199
if we go forward with those again
talking with a permanent specialist

687
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:57,800
about those there was nothing here that
was a big alarm as I said like through

688
01:11:55,800 --> 01:12:03,400
the Engineering Process given the amount
of right of way available chances are

689
01:12:00,440 --> 01:12:07,760
that permits could be um you know sought
and obtained um but again it's just

690
01:12:05,679 --> 01:12:13,080
something else to be considering as we
move forward and if you're increasing in

691
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:18,239
perious area wouldn't you be subject to
storm water permit yeah Didn't I

692
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:25,480
operational not the construction oh was
the wrong one oh yes I the wrong one was

693
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,480
highlighted sorry about that

694
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:41,760
yeah okay now we will have some public
input as I um outlined Elizabeth is

695
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:46,880
online and um Rose is is monitoring that
as well if there is input that um folks

696
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:50,520
online want to give would' love to hear
from you as well but we'd love to hear

697
01:12:48,679 --> 01:12:54,560
from everyone in the room what what
we're thinking about what sounds what

698
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:59,360
sounds good what sounds bad what are we
reacting to this is where we try to get

699
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:05,000
that feedback on Alternatives so that we
can understand what direction to head in

700
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:11,480
for a preferred alternative to move
forward yes so I'm a fairly new um

701
01:13:09,679 --> 01:13:17,840
resident to Menan I've only been here a
few years um and I absolutely love it

702
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:22,800
but um where I lived previously I had
the joy of sitting on several meetings

703
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:28,719
like this my question to start before I
go through my is where does Menan see

704
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:35,080
ourselves as a town 25 to 30 years from
now because in my opinion that should

705
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:41,639
be the guide star
for does you know a pedestrian space

706
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:46,960
along the side of the road Mixon or are
we trying to recruit people to come and

707
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:53,560
visit the town are we trying to recruit
businesses we trying to create a walking

708
01:13:49,639 --> 01:13:59,600
space and connect the rural area to the
more populated Village area so that we

709
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:03,440
create more of a destination I don't
know if anyone from the town can speak

710
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:08,800
to that well I have a reference that you
should look at and it's called Men the

711
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:14,360
movie if you haven't seen it yet it it
is um quite a process I wasn't a part of

712
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:18,760
it but it's very impressive um they form
subcommittees they really dealt into

713
01:14:16,440 --> 01:14:22,520
topics just like you're asking about as
to where where they saw each other and I

714
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:29,440
don't know yeah I'll just briefly
discuss the men on the WF project um uh

715
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:35,639
we out of that came two priorities that
the town set for ourselves and um one

716
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:40,679
was boosting outdoor recreation so we
are keeping our eyes open on how to

717
01:14:38,679 --> 01:14:45,280
increase opportunities to boost outdoor
recreation in mendum um and we we think

718
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:53,400
that some of these Alternatives will
help facilitate that and then the second

719
01:14:47,639 --> 01:14:58,920
one was the um reinvention of Route four
um and safety the reinvention and safety

720
01:14:56,159 --> 01:15:05,520
of Route four I think is the um the
terminology and so um those of us that

721
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:11,239
have been here a long time have seen the
decline of businesses along Route 4 um

722
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:16,440
that has impacted the grand list and
increased property taxes for residents

723
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:25,840
um the Vista View reinvention of that
building from a Hospitality business to

724
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:32,080
a the Vista Senior Living is is an
example of thinking outside the box and

725
01:15:28,719 --> 01:15:39,440
where is mendan going um we do have a
town plan that does get updated and we

726
01:15:35,679 --> 01:15:42,679
have the zoning that um is slighted to
be

727
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:46,480
updated um they're going to apply for a
municipal planning Grant this year in

728
01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:54,239
order to update our zoning regulations
so um really looking at what's in those

729
01:15:49,719 --> 01:16:00,040
regulations to broaden the ability for
um development or reinvention of Route

730
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:03,800
four is what you know those will be
looked at as well with the Planning

731
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:09,480
Commission so and going back one step
further for those who weren't involved

732
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:15,000
the town applied for a grant to Vermont
Council on Rural Development to decide

733
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:21,440
what could we do with our downtown
section and we were denied because we

734
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:26,080
didn't have a downtown and in
everybody's definition of what we were

735
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:31,400
we were a highway town we were a pass
through town or a missed Town depending

736
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:35,800
on who was describing us so the ront
counil on Rural Development said you're

737
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:40,560
not a town you don't qualify to decide
what to do with your town but about six

738
01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:44,880
months later they came back to us on
their initiative and said you know we

739
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:50,360
thought that a little bit more there's
lots of towns in our state that don't

740
01:16:47,440 --> 01:16:55,639
have downtowns and we need to help those
towns who just are Highway towns F town

741
01:16:53,719 --> 01:17:00,600
pass through town so they came back to
us worked over the course of the year to

742
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:05,199
develop The Mending on the move and all
those projects came out of it so Co

743
01:17:03,239 --> 01:17:11,840
whacked us a little bit no doubt about
it but um you know those the document

744
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:17,920
that thinking has all it's all there
this is then we that Vermont Council rur

745
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:21,960
development initiative we were going
apply for the grant to got these folks

746
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:25,000
to come here and look at what we can do
at least on the rout for

747
01:17:26,440 --> 01:17:35,400
while thank you um so phenominal work
that's been put in and I hate that I

748
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:40,840
missed the first meeting on this um but
I was out of the country uh so the a

749
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:45,560
couple of questions that I would have
would be if we're looking at the first

750
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:50,880
section and the third section
potentially having a shared use pathway

751
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:57,480
even though section two is a little
steeper would it not make sense for that

752
01:17:53,520 --> 01:18:04,280
to be a continuous pathway promoting
cycling from town all the way up um you

753
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:08,320
know and being able to connect maybe all
the way up to the Irish pub and back and

754
01:18:06,199 --> 01:18:14,480
there is your destination trip I'm going
to ride my bike up to the Irish Pub come

755
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:23,280
back and get ice cream you know at at
mini golf um the the next one would be

756
01:18:20,239 --> 01:18:29,920
um from an impervious servfaces
standpoint could that multi-use trail be

757
01:18:27,639 --> 01:18:34,120
more of a carriage Trail P gravel type
setting and then we're getting away from

758
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:38,239
having to deal with the impervious uh
surfaces permitting and reducing the

759
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:41,639
cost because Paving just needs to be
regraded in the

760
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:46,239
spring
um another mostly from a safety

761
01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:52,320
standpoint because I really wanted to
make sure this got brought up um as

762
01:18:49,639 --> 01:18:59,280
we're looking at this stretch you know
what could be done at the corner of

763
01:18:55,600 --> 01:19:06,239
Journey's End and four um
particularly

764
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:13,440
the northwest corner um so if you were
coming out of Journey's End Road and

765
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:18,679
turning right onto four that corner um
the visibility is

766
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:23,239
dangerous uh and I know that that road
has changed involved over the years

767
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:26,800
there are now a lot of young drivers on
that road and there are children so

768
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:34,199
there will be a continuous flow of young
drivers on that road um can we take it

769
01:19:30,639 --> 01:19:38,040
back to do to look at cutting the trees
on that northwest corner and maybe

770
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:42,400
shaving down the hillside a little bit
especially now that it's mowed on the

771
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:46,719
northeast corner um you can see a whole
lot better uh and if we had greater

772
01:19:44,639 --> 01:19:53,520
visibility there then we're reducing the
likelihood of accidents um so that's

773
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:59,960
that's my safety thing to throw out yeah
well and I'm happy to address that your

774
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:04,400
comments on a continuous path or
whatever that's what this discussion is

775
01:20:01,719 --> 01:20:09,040
about um you know is that something so
so I'll leave that to everyone to

776
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:14,360
discuss but safety is outside the safety
for drivers is outside of the scope of

777
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:20,280
what I'm doing here today however that
it also impacts safety but I would

778
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:25,800
advise you and your elected officials
that there is power in contacting transs

779
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:30,239
and requesting them to look at sight
lines safety is a big thing the history

780
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:35,679
this summer has been really bad here in
Menon this is a bad Corridor so I would

781
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:39,000
say don't don't think just because
that's beyond the scope of what I'm

782
01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:43,239
doing here that there isn't something
else that could be done to evaluate

783
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:46,960
sight lines because that is a very
specific you know you're not asking them

784
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:51,120
to rebuild the whole Road you're asking
them to maybe do a little grading trim

785
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:55,679
back of vegetation Etc um that is
certainly something that should be

786
01:20:53,000 --> 01:21:01,120
considered given what what has happened
this summer with the the number of

787
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:09,719
crashes in just the historic crash rate
here yes just a couple quick thoughts

788
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:16,719
um you're going to do the bike path all
along um in the road width changing

789
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:20,560
travel L doesn't that have to be done
also in conjunction with Killington and

790
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:24,880
R
to and I guess I'd be afraid coming to

791
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:31,239
rton town I don't know what the width is
but let's just say it's the 14 ft or 15

792
01:21:27,639 --> 01:21:39,679
ft and all of a sudden it goes to 11 ft
um in the same way on the Kellington and

793
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:45,320
um and also on the M you know which is
in the you know is now the

794
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:50,480
breakdown um seems to me some
continuation you know through that

795
01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:56,080
Corridor um people don't know where the
to lines are true it's not that in

796
01:21:53,360 --> 01:22:01,120
regards to the safety question if we're
going to make changes to the road that

797
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:05,639
is the time you know there needs to be a
turning lanane or I mean and I guess

798
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:12,520
none of us know where the traffic would
be in and out of the new um Federal

799
01:22:08,679 --> 01:22:19,159
Building um in Germany's end has been a
issue for a while sure without a doubt

800
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:25,480
um as far as the question about as you
change jurisdictions you are right it

801
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:27,960
can be you know it the the cyclist
especially if all of a sudden the

802
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:33,239
shoulder just becomes a shoulder and
they don't have that protection anymore

803
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:37,560
that is jarring but as was pointed out
hillington is looking at their own trail

804
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:41,639
connection study and they're looking at
in there and again downtown because

805
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:45,040
they're in a similar situation they
don't have much of a presence they're

806
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:48,719
trying to build that by moving their
town office and doing some of the same

807
01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:52,960
things we're talking about here defining
edges a little better access control um

808
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:57,360
so there's a number of things killing is
thinking about doing and so it is the

809
01:22:55,719 --> 01:23:00,520
the only way you end up with a sidewalk
Network in a city is when someone buils

810
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:04,560
that first sidewalk it might go to
nowhere but eventually if everybody you

811
01:23:02,639 --> 01:23:08,880
know builds that sidewalk and I think
that's what you know you would be trying

812
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:14,520
to do here now the Alternatives I
presented was trying to figure out where

813
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:19,440
the those key destinations are currently
or proposed um and so which is why I

814
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:23,400
left that middle segment out but you're
right if that is something that is

815
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:29,320
really important to the town
then then that can be the preferred

816
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:34,280
alternative um but I I just looking at
it from an analysis point of view um

817
01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:38,840
think it's more appropriate to think I'm
connecting this recreational destination

818
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:44,560
to this recreational destination or I'm
doing it in the village um but you know

819
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:48,000
again this is you know what what your
preferences are and it's time to have

820
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:53,040
those discussions but I wouldn't be
afraid of doing something that slows the

821
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:57,520
traffic here especially in your village
District because that's what you want to

822
01:23:54,400 --> 01:24:02,560
do and even along the whole quor the the
quor is currently driven at about 60

823
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:06,560
miles an hour in the segments and that's
not what we want so what what we have

824
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:11,199
isn't working and if we want it to
change we have to start thinking how we

825
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:16,679
can engineer it to
change just for a little history I'm

826
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:20,880
Ellen prior live on JY and my husband
retired state police and he identified

827
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:26,560
that coming
down down when we have to turn Journey's

828
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:31,840
End that could there potentially be
better signage because if because trucks

829
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:39,960
like sail down you either have to keep
going down the mountain or risk your

830
01:24:35,159 --> 01:24:44,960
life so we went to VR and they took some
time and they came back and they told

831
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:50,080
him that there wasn't enough statistics
my husband was thinking public safety

832
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:55,760
prevention and apparently they're
wereing enough deaths for them to

833
01:24:52,800 --> 01:25:02,000
consider just doing a little a bit more
signage there you know and it was very

834
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:05,920
similar to ' 89 when there was no Rumble
strap I couldn't tell you how many times

835
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:12,280
I talked with the commissioner of Public
Safety about the amount of deaths and it

836
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:17,760
wasn't until the family of five got
killed that they put Rumble strip in so

837
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:24,280
if you think prevention it doesn't seem
to be um doesn't seem to be accepted

838
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:31,080
because I understand about data and all
that kind of stuff but that was um the

839
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:36,480
response that he got and he's a guy that
gave 28 years of his life to Public

840
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:44,480
Safety all in the state he also drove
North on 100 to go to Waterberry for the

841
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:50,679
State Police he then got Rockingham and
drove South and the bikers it's

842
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:56,080
unbelievable his suggestion was if the
state is going to adjust the high way

843
01:25:52,560 --> 01:26:02,400
for bikers then there should
be a license fee and accountability and

844
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:06,000
then it comes to the what is the price
and who's going to do the law

845
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:12,360
enforcement so I just wanted to input
that because it's not a new issue and

846
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:20,960
there has been it's been addressed and
so I got you know how

847
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:25,840
I a nurse working in ICU how many head
injuries how how many spinal cord

848
01:26:23,159 --> 01:26:29,560
injuries do you have to see on a highway
in order to I mean what what's the

849
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:34,679
number you're looking for for the
statistics I'm just curious you know had

850
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:37,840
three yeah they're very high summer
believeing I understand and it's right

851
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:41,800
but you know the warded world kind of
thing and and there's so many in factors

852
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:49,239
right I
mean but I will point out to you um the

853
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:54,199
safety um climate at P has changed
significantly in recent years they are

854
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:58,760
taking be a much more systemic approach
because the fatalities that are

855
01:26:56,000 --> 01:27:04,520
occurring are more on Rural roads they
are people leaving the road they um and

856
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:09,639
they're aware of this and because those
types of crashes tend to be one crash at

857
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:14,159
a location the statistics and don't bear
it out but what the statistics tell us

858
01:27:11,679 --> 01:27:19,719
is on certain types of Roads there are
more fatalities ER is trying to take a

859
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:25,159
more proactive approach and so it might
be a better time to ask that question

860
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:29,760
and look for for some
support information you don't need to

861
01:27:27,679 --> 01:27:34,520
always this is a new beginning yes is
fabulous yes you know but and I do

862
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:41,280
compliment um I'm sure that someone in
our town contact City and as you go out

863
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:46,600
the Dr on a road all of that Landscaping
has been totally cleared and that is

864
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:52,880
like a blessing right and it's was such
a practical thing I mean my initially we

865
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:57,719
had our our road people and not our road
people our residents on a road we took

866
01:27:55,280 --> 01:28:02,679
out our our instruments and went down
there to try to cut it lower but then

867
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:08,480
there was one area that was a landowner
right by the house there um to the left

868
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:13,880
and that was a different property line
so you know but however I compliment the

869
01:28:11,159 --> 01:28:19,119
work that has been done and I appreciate
the work that's in the

870
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:24,480
future for sure those of all of us who
live in men didn't have can count

871
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:28,400
numerous near misses yeah but that's not
quite the statistic yet but how many

872
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:33,040
times
pulling good point it's probably good

873
01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:36,880
time to revisit it especially after this
summer we were talking about I mean I

874
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:42,560
like some of your suggestions I think
they're great but low in speed Li would

875
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:47,760
take people go slower I mean it's pretty
basic the statistics actually don't show

876
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:51,639
that though people drive how they feel
comfortable driving I understand but

877
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:56,159
when you're in the 45 mph Zone you're
doing 50 when you're in that 50 mph Zone

878
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:59,719
you're doing 60 that's the I mean I'm
outs stop my store all day I see how

879
01:28:57,679 --> 01:29:03,239
many people flying by day definitely I
mean I two people Buy FR of the store

880
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:08,119
this year
um it's a dangerous road I if you think

881
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:11,560
of putting bike pads and people on the
side and then you're going to tighten

882
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:16,600
the lane one little mistake you're
killing people on that road at that

883
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:20,320
speed right but the idea is to engineer
it so that the driver drives it

884
01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:24,520
differently where we want to engineer
the solution to get the speeds go down

885
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:28,800
even at 50 mes an hour if you're going
to have bikers and hikers walking by

886
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:33,080
it's dangerous that's dangerous even at
50 yeah but they didn't see if you're

887
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:36,880
talking about the shoulder alternative I
mean the fact of the matter is there is

888
01:29:34,719 --> 01:29:40,760
some carless population there are some
people who are waiting for that bus or

889
01:29:38,679 --> 01:29:45,040
who are out there biking currently the
um Killington pipo place because they

890
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:49,199
have you know some of the um sh people
in there that's a big bus stop over

891
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:52,560
there too but um I just want everyone to
know in town There's squatters going

892
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:57,000
around so be careful
if you have a vacated building put up a

893
01:29:54,840 --> 01:30:01,280
no tresp passing sign on it so the cops
could do St about it the ti roll was

894
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:05,040
loaded with they were renting it out we
got rid of them for now but I think

895
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:08,800
they're in back building though just
give you the heads up I noticed them

896
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:14,280
because they were on the bus
stop

897
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:18,880
imag can I ask the question is U so is
lowering the speed limit off the table

898
01:30:15,639 --> 01:30:24,320
or yeah lowering the speed limit is is
not typically done because all you do by

899
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:28,080
lowering the speed limit is you know
provide law enforcement with a way to

900
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:33,440
write more tickets it very rarely
actually low the travel speed on

901
01:30:31,159 --> 01:30:39,960
roadway so and that's been proven in
mendan so we um we have been dedicated

902
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:46,000
for the last 20 years of trying to
slow um traffic down on Route 4 by

903
01:30:43,239 --> 01:30:50,560
policing it and it hasn't worked at we
all know it has it works I understand

904
01:30:47,679 --> 01:30:56,600
that um and so visually we have to get
inside the brains of the drivers and see

905
01:30:53,719 --> 01:31:00,639
what it's like how to calm how to calm
the traffic so that it doesn't feel like

906
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:04,840
they're driving a freeway we all drive
on that road when you're in that 45 M

907
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:11,080
hour Zone you're not doing 60 miles hour
right but even if it's wide or skinny

908
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:18,199
whatever because you're so afraid of the
ticket if you go to the 50 mile Zone you

909
01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:23,080
think nothing doing 60 65 M hour aring
with you the reason in the 45 M hour

910
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:28,239
Zone you drop lower is the houses are
closer to the road there's mailboxes

911
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:33,639
right there the lanes are
narrower business is a 40 coming up the

912
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:39,719
hill then you're at 50 again I know but
I'm saying it it really is you know the

913
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:44,360
character in The Village district is
different and that is why you're driving

914
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:48,400
it differently you you are going 60
miles an hour through hillington that's

915
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:53,280
actually what the data shows and it is
because it is you're not not at the

916
01:31:50,119 --> 01:31:57,960
bottom when you come down the 40 m
but when you go through Bridgewater you

917
01:31:55,280 --> 01:32:02,239
get to Bridgewater and the houses start
to get closer to the road and no you

918
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:09,080
don't want to go 25 through there but
you do not want to go 60 through there

919
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:13,040
you you well usually there's a cop
right I mean the sign that you put up

920
01:32:11,440 --> 01:32:16,960
was great but um it should have been
written a little differently saying you

921
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:20,239
know radar strictly enforced on this Ro
slow down it's pretty much basic thing

922
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:25,000
they had some weird sayings on it that
you didn't understand what the hell

923
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:30,159
saying and that's speed trans
yeah Alternatives because we do tonight

924
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:33,159
want to out of this with the direction
for

925
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:39,280
Alternatives changing the speed limit is
beyond this the control here um what we

926
01:32:36,719 --> 01:32:43,239
can do though is potentially set you up
with prer alternative that is buildable

927
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:48,440
and could make some
change so if you were to create a

928
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:52,600
situation where the atmosphere or
however you want to call conditions

929
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:59,480
suggest you go slower
um would the speed limit ever get lower

930
01:32:55,320 --> 01:33:05,560
in that case yes okay so they they speed
they set the speed limit based on the

931
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:11,800
85th percentile speed it's the speed
limit is set by how drivers feel like

932
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:15,800
they should travel or by density so in
some communities where it's very very

933
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:18,840
dense the speed limit changes or if
you're in the school zone there's

934
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:23,880
certain locations where even if you feel
like you could drive faster they say no

935
01:33:21,719 --> 01:33:28,440
should drive slower but if the road is
designed to accommodate a fast speed

936
01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:35,560
that is how the speed limit is set is by
how you're driving

937
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:39,760
it I have two two things uh one is uh uh
live on Woodard Road which is directly

938
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:45,000
opposite the entrance to the
new forestry headquarters which is

939
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:50,119
beautiful but it's directly across and
coming upill there are two lanes going

940
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:54,840
downhill there's only one um those of us
who live there and experience

941
01:33:52,080 --> 01:34:00,560
turning onto Route four in various
conditions are very concerned that

942
01:33:58,239 --> 01:34:04,000
there's going to be a problem once that
once both things are open if you're

943
01:34:02,199 --> 01:34:07,000
coming downhill and you want to turn
right that would be one thing if you're

944
01:34:05,480 --> 01:34:12,040
coming downhill you want to turn left
onto wooded Road and you have a whole

945
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:17,560
bunch of skiers behind you and there's
no uh way to tell people that this is

946
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:20,679
now a a major essentially an
intersection at the very least there

947
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:24,280
should be signage at the very least
there should be I don't know flashing

948
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:27,800
yellow light but I really would
recommend that you that in terms of

949
01:34:26,119 --> 01:34:31,840
intersections you look very carefully at
that because so far all we've had our

950
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:37,040
construction trucks moving in there
while they're building it but and I

951
01:34:33,639 --> 01:34:42,080
don't know how much traffic and uh there
will be once it's open but it's it's a

952
01:34:39,199 --> 01:34:48,800
potential dangerous place so you might
have kids over there that is a safety

953
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:53,239
concern um as as far as an intersection
and could be a part of our s to be trans

954
01:34:51,679 --> 01:34:58,800
when you're looking looking at safety
looking at signing in advance for that

955
01:34:55,840 --> 01:35:02,880
but again not not anything that I can do
with the scope of this study um I'd be

956
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:06,960
happy to run through the Alternatives
again to remind folks of what it is

957
01:35:05,239 --> 01:35:13,080
we're really talking about tonight and
what is within the control of the study

958
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:17,840
sure go ahead um I'm hearing a lot of
the same concerns and to bring it back

959
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:23,480
to what you're talking about my
suggestion would be alternative three

960
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:28,639
through through the entire
stretch because we are narrowing the

961
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:34,280
lanes we are slowing vehicles and we're
providing a space for pedestrians that

962
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:38,880
has a buffer cell that addresses the
concerns of if we only lower the speed

963
01:35:36,679 --> 01:35:43,520
so much by this constrained environment
do we really want pedestrians that close

964
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:48,119
to Vehicles so if you're looking for
opinions on what to do there's been

965
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:52,400
several comments online too about having
a path separated from Road as the prefer

966
01:35:50,440 --> 01:35:56,320
alternative okay
great anybody else again I'm happy to

967
01:35:54,920 --> 01:36:01,840
run through the Alternatives if you want
to see an image of them again um I don't

968
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:07,159
think I've heard from folks on the side
I was gonna say this is also an

969
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:10,880
opportunity for men to make more menend
more desirable in the different ways

970
01:36:09,239 --> 01:36:15,440
that we would like to make it more
desirable in the can't I me everyone but

971
01:36:13,639 --> 01:36:20,800
there's you know I think for many of us
we kind of love the fact that we're pass

972
01:36:17,679 --> 01:36:25,840
through town like there's not too much
going on but at the same time it would

973
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:32,000
be nice if there's a little bit like
gentler Lifestyle on Route four and it

974
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:36,480
wasn't so hyper and and and everything
and then also that could in my mind

975
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:42,320
produce an environment where people do
want to come in either ourselves or

976
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:46,880
other people want to come in and um we
have the properties that aren't being

977
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:52,800
utilized and create more businesses and
make men a bit more of um destination

978
01:36:50,679 --> 01:36:59,760
than it has been then so that the more
we do to beautify

979
01:36:55,239 --> 01:37:04,320
and slow down and give access to as many
make it as inclusive as possible then we

980
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:06,560
could have more desirability for things
to

981
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:20,239
happen was up sure um I I'm my name is
cat I'm coming from py I'm mostly here

982
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:25,800
to listen but also a bike mechanic and
so tons of folks in my community are

983
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:33,920
going up and down that road all the time
um I am curious just from research

984
01:37:29,679 --> 01:37:41,119
perspective why ballards or any type of
barriers the height of a car um haven't

985
01:37:38,199 --> 01:37:51,880
been proposed as an in between as as a a
solution that is cheaper than um than

986
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:58,159
alternative three but um perhaps
more like visually safe than alternative

987
01:37:55,800 --> 01:38:03,239
one and
also gives drivers a little bit more

988
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:09,360
fear of damage to their
vehicles yeah typically um that is a

989
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:15,280
feature that is used in a more urban
setting where speeds are lower sure um

990
01:38:12,159 --> 01:38:20,000
at a location like this um it it isn't
that typical and part of the issue is

991
01:38:17,679 --> 01:38:24,760
the maintenance of that because they do
even inter up in setting they get struck

992
01:38:22,719 --> 01:38:30,840
and need to be replaced and they create
a a challenge for Paving and how they

993
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:35,840
are attached to the pavement in some
cases reduces the life cycle of the

994
01:38:33,480 --> 01:38:41,000
pavement so there is definitely a few
things that make it a less desirable

995
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:46,679
alternative here you would it would help
to Define that kind of idea to make the

996
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:52,440
car feel a little more constrained and
that visual um line between the car and

997
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:55,480
the the cyclist um but it isn't
something that is typically used in a

998
01:38:54,199 --> 01:39:02,360
setting
ties plowing would also be oh

999
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:10,520
plowing the
winter anyone hav't heard oh I wanted

1000
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:16,599
just address the the uh not any
particular segment but the just that the

1001
01:39:13,639 --> 01:39:21,760
road have continuity as it goes through
mending so that the surface is going to

1002
01:39:20,199 --> 01:39:29,480
be clean
and smooth the cyclist because there are

1003
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:35,159
any cyclist who is interested in going
all the way to killing to Killington uh

1004
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:41,119
is going to be looking for a clean
smooth surface uh not any segments with

1005
01:39:39,199 --> 01:39:48,920
with gravel because it's just going to
slow that person down and take energy

1006
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:56,520
and and um and also people who commute
to any place work along that uh in in

1007
01:39:53,400 --> 01:40:02,920
mending or along the road are going I'm
not interested in you know um doing it

1008
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:08,480
for fun of it uh they have to do it and
they're looking for the same safety

1009
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:12,040
features as well as the same um ease of
pedaling and the safety of

1010
01:40:14,679 --> 01:40:21,880
pedal and on just oh one more thing and
the there would be the recreational

1011
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:27,719
cycle
who um may be thinking about well I want

1012
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:33,239
to ride up to
wheelerville ride up the wheel of a road

1013
01:40:30,599 --> 01:40:39,599
and do some gravel and that's a very
attractive rout but the safety factor is

1014
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:46,599
a critical Factor
keeping almost every cyclist that I know

1015
01:40:43,639 --> 01:40:53,800
from doing it right now so in improving
mening in in route four um the more

1016
01:40:51,440 --> 01:40:58,320
that is done the more
attractive that you know riding on L is

1017
01:40:56,520 --> 01:41:03,719
going to become as an objective to get
into other places and

1018
01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:10,760
bend so it does sound like I'm hearing
some support for a shared use path

1019
01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:17,040
alternative um do we have a feeling for
whether it it on the North side or on

1020
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:21,800
the South Side makes the most sense I
would say there's some arguments for

1021
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:29,560
either um on the north side is where the
forest headquarters is um on the South

1022
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:35,040
Side um is willville road as you just
pointed out I mean there are certainly

1023
01:41:31,159 --> 01:41:40,400
some destinations on either um does one
stand out to this group is I think you

1024
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:46,520
have less buildings on your North Side
than you do on the South Side I

1025
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:50,199
believe I'm not sure if I've counted the
buildings but I think as far as

1026
01:41:48,159 --> 01:41:58,960
resources are concerned I think the
north side was a little bit better a

1027
01:41:54,119 --> 01:42:02,760
little fewer fewer Crossings but um but
you know does that help you get to

1028
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:07,000
destinations um and one of the things
that we didn't get into is is the

1029
01:42:04,599 --> 01:42:13,679
challenge that we have with Crossings in
that high-speed environment um VR will

1030
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:19,760
not put in a crosswalk on a 50 m per
hour road because what they don't want

1031
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:25,040
to do is encourage you to feel safe
Crossing W you know crossing a crosswalk

1032
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:29,400
you feel like someone thinks it's okay
for you to do so whereas their policy is

1033
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:32,920
you're if you're making that choice they
want you to know you're making that

1034
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:37,400
choice they're not encouraging you to
cross at any particular location is

1035
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:41,119
there a certain speed that they call
Smoke safety or is it

1036
01:42:41,239 --> 01:42:51,560
45 it's the maximum speed is 40 miles
per hour but even then it has to be on

1037
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:56,639
like a non us Road as well Road yeah so
so one of the things that we could talk

1038
01:42:54,000 --> 01:43:02,480
about and this is really just you know
at strategic locations is there are um

1039
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:08,280
great separated Crossings for the Long
Trail and the appalation trail at other

1040
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:12,800
locations and um that is something that
could be considered whether it is by

1041
01:43:11,199 --> 01:43:17,080
doing it in effect think of it like
through a culvert underneath the road or

1042
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:23,280
whether it is by doing it via a bridge
over the road now there is a significant

1043
01:43:19,679 --> 01:43:27,480
cost associated with that um and I don't
know you know if something like that

1044
01:43:25,239 --> 01:43:32,119
makes sense but I just you know wanted
to touch on the crossing because we

1045
01:43:30,040 --> 01:43:35,679
would likely be looking at a shared use
path situation either on the North side

1046
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:40,400
or the South side and you would still
have some destinations and people on

1047
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:44,400
both sides that want have a question
online Mary had her hand

1048
01:43:45,719 --> 01:43:57,719
raised Mary do you have a
question hi um so I live in Rutland town

1049
01:43:53,400 --> 01:44:03,719
and Northwood Park is very
OHS the mute symbolism up can you hear

1050
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:08,400
me
uh uh do you w to ask Elizabeth if she

1051
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:12,639
can hear
her can anyone hear me Elizabeth can you

1052
01:44:11,440 --> 01:44:16,280
hear
Mary yes I can hear

1053
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:27,119
her so that's be our
end okay so could you translate for me

1054
01:44:25,239 --> 01:44:31,080
um in the meantime while we try to
figure out what the sound issue is maybe

1055
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:35,599
Elizabeth can attempt to answer your
question Mary but if not I can try to

1056
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:40,599
get back to you after the meeting oh I
was just gonna say um Northwood Park is

1057
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:46,599
on the North side so a reason there's
biking hiking

1058
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:52,560
pool the and turn on one of our speakers
on our laptops that are

1059
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:52,560
connected that way we don't get feedback

1060
01:44:56,800 --> 01:45:01,040
in the room yep they won't

1061
01:45:06,719 --> 01:45:16,400
here try again
Mary oh can you hear me now yes oh okay

1062
01:45:13,239 --> 01:45:21,080
great sorry um so I was just saying that
Northwood Park is very close to the

1063
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:27,520
menden border and there's
um hiking and uh mountain bike trails

1064
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:31,760
and the pool and sports and um so the
north side of the road would be closer

1065
01:45:30,440 --> 01:45:38,159
to that
too that's all I was trying to share

1066
01:45:34,599 --> 01:45:38,159
thank you great thank you thank

1067
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:47,480
you the way it needs to be can you okay
perfect go ahead so does anybody know

1068
01:45:45,599 --> 01:45:53,320
where the Valmont Trail is going to come
through is it coming through men because

1069
01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:58,119
be another I mean that's going be
probably hugely

1070
01:45:55,360 --> 01:46:01,639
popular proposed Trail is GNA have a
connection to the forest service

1071
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:06,560
building be on the North side there and
then also go near the Northwood Park

1072
01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:12,239
it's going to connect to um Park Lane
and post are that could a lot of tra

1073
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:21,760
tremendous right now there's very little
p death SC in replac traffic after dark

1074
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:26,840
I'm guessing it multi Ed path shared Ed
Pathways go in that that usage goes up

1075
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:32,159
because people feel comfortable again
are we're a shared Ed pathway across

1076
01:46:29,159 --> 01:46:37,840
existing intersections is our lighting
currently sufficient if there is

1077
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:40,840
increased use after dark winter
whatever

1078
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:49,320
Allway anticipating
some well depending on where we are so

1079
01:46:47,440 --> 01:46:53,400
if we're in the village District your
locations tend to have lighting there

1080
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:57,599
would be a further evaluation if that
lighting need to be supplemented or

1081
01:46:54,960 --> 01:47:04,199
modified to make sure that it captured
where the sh New Path was crossing um

1082
01:47:00,719 --> 01:47:07,880
but there aren't that many Road you know
public roads that it that it's Crossing

1083
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:14,520
so I don't think that that would be a
detriment putting in that share use path

1084
01:47:10,719 --> 01:47:19,360
in a more rural environment um you know
I there would likely not be lighting out

1085
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:22,719
on the shared use path unless it did
come in by an intersection and if you're

1086
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:28,760
going to have it at a point where there
is more vehicular conflict then then yes

1087
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:31,679
possibly but that would certainly be
evaluated during

1088
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:40,320
design there was also a question online
about um if there's a certain incline

1089
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:46,239
that could deter use of a multi-use path
like is it actually a real world um

1090
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:52,440
scenario that a path would be usable on
the root for corridor

1091
01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:58,000
which I I would say for me personally
most

1092
01:47:53,400 --> 01:48:04,760
definit but I see people cycling up to
the you know up to the The Hub like all

1093
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:09,360
the time it is amazing to me so although
yes most of us may say there would be no

1094
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:13,119
way I would do that middle segment on my
bike there are certainly plenty of

1095
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:18,880
people and those are those Recreation
enthusiasts that that I think men is

1096
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:24,199
trying to attract um so might get less
use than some the other segment

1097
01:48:21,239 --> 01:48:30,239
certainly um but there will be some for
sure I would also say that

1098
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:34,599
to a lot of people riding up there one
electric bikes keep going to kill

1099
01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:40,080
anything from Roll stuff like that I not
t but there the other one stop the store

1100
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:47,000
they need water
yeah and the concept if build it they

1101
01:48:43,639 --> 01:48:50,400
will come so so I guess why don't I ask
this this group up a couple of key

1102
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:55,119
things it sounds like I'm hearing a
coalescing along providing a shared use

1103
01:48:53,040 --> 01:49:00,280
path really throughout vending from from
end to end is there anyone who does not

1104
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:06,400
think that's an appropriate
um approach or the alternative is that

1105
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:06,400
the most expensive one or was that

1106
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:14,320
the i i my personal opinion is to
implement it easily in see how it's

1107
01:49:12,719 --> 01:49:17,960
working instead of dumping a ton of
money and it doesn't work at all that's

1108
01:49:16,480 --> 01:49:22,480
my opinion well one of the things we
could talk about is sp if you could like

1109
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:27,360
use part of that money started phase one
phase two works out you know spread it

1110
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:30,760
out so there could be a phased approach
where you look at in the village where

1111
01:49:29,119 --> 01:49:36,199
it's probably most appropriate where
you're going to get more pedestrians and

1112
01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:40,320
more cyclists um and in connection with
that talk about the restriping and so

1113
01:49:38,360 --> 01:49:45,239
maybe the phase one grant that you
pursue includes those two pieces and

1114
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:51,360
then so at least the striping has
happened to provide some protection and

1115
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:54,880
a sh's path of a limited segment is is
implemented um because of course you

1116
01:49:53,440 --> 01:50:00,639
know there are the funding there are
limits to funding and so maybe then you

1117
01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:04,920
have in future phases then to continue
to to move the um the shared use path

1118
01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:09,520
which I would suggest if you were doing
a three-phase project you really think

1119
01:50:06,679 --> 01:50:13,239
about them phase two being that other P
end where we think we would get more

1120
01:50:11,480 --> 01:50:17,119
usage because you do have to be
competitive in your application as well

1121
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:20,840
you have to be able to to show why you
think that people are going to use this

1122
01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:24,679
investment if you're going for the big
money I don't know if you can go for the

1123
01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:27,719
tip Pro the tip is what killington's
doing they're eating up a lot of the

1124
01:50:26,199 --> 01:50:30,960
money they're not we're not paying the
money you know what I'm saying I mean

1125
01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:35,560
there's
money the issue is you have to entice

1126
01:50:33,480 --> 01:50:40,320
the businesses and because unfortunately
on that for corridor in recent years

1127
01:50:38,639 --> 01:50:47,560
it's you know the restaurants have gone
out the hotels have gone out there PR

1128
01:50:42,599 --> 01:50:47,560
Bas 45 M hour z in business the 50

1129
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:54,880
m basic you're not you're not wrong but
it is tough to generate money with the

1130
01:50:53,199 --> 01:51:01,560
Tiff District if you don't have the
business coming in that's Pro make sense

1131
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:05,760
is
pay so that's the other part of this

1132
01:51:04,119 --> 01:51:11,679
that I just want everybody to be aware
of that you're you're looking at a very

1133
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:17,880
large project on and mendan has a very
small budget so um annual budget so we

1134
01:51:15,599 --> 01:51:24,639
spend a little over a million dollars to
run the entire town for a year annual

1135
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:30,960
operation and right now we don't plow
any sidewalks so we don't have equipment

1136
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:36,920
to plow sidewalks um or a shared youth
path so that is all continued

1137
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:43,239
maintenance is also a piece of this as
we go forward because there's only 1100

1138
01:51:40,119 --> 01:51:50,679
property or 1100 people in Menan and 850
Parcels paying those taxes so we have a

1139
01:51:48,239 --> 01:51:57,480
middle of the road suggestion here which
is Lane striping which is a lower cost

1140
01:51:54,079 --> 01:52:04,400
and that way VR continues to plow the
whole Road um the straping is a cost and

1141
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:10,560
that's a a that's going to be an annual
cost by annual cost that you have to

1142
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:15,079
restrike um but the maintenance is
greatly reduced from that' be big

1143
01:52:13,480 --> 01:52:19,639
maintenance if you ran you know share
Trail all the way from you know there to

1144
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:22,960
Killington you told us you know that's s
doing sidewalk and Killington with the

1145
01:52:21,239 --> 01:52:26,560
little
thing well what we've typically seen is

1146
01:52:25,079 --> 01:52:31,159
with a shared juice path as you do it
with full ploud I mean you don't use

1147
01:52:29,320 --> 01:52:34,800
just a sidewalk so if you were to go
with a full shared use path you would do

1148
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:41,599
it you know with a full plow driving
down

1149
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:47,199
to J I mean this is V transis road so do
they uh take responsibility for any of

1150
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:52,719
the costs associated with restriping or
is that so there's a couple ways that

1151
01:52:50,239 --> 01:52:58,480
can move forward one is to include that
in a Grant application but another is to

1152
01:52:56,119 --> 01:53:04,440
talk to VR about when next they're doing
full striping and whether there is the

1153
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:08,199
ability to modify it and um come up with
what that plan should look like for for

1154
01:53:06,719 --> 01:53:10,800
how that should be striped and if
they're amenable to that and the best

1155
01:53:09,639 --> 01:53:14,000
time to do that is really when they're
going to put another course pavement

1156
01:53:12,199 --> 01:53:20,840
down and I don't know when that is and
we can certainly look into that when

1157
01:53:16,679 --> 01:53:26,199
that targeted to be done um for every 10
years and I feel like it's been roughly

1158
01:53:23,159 --> 01:53:30,599
that time since the last there so there
going be an opportunity soon to to

1159
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:34,199
incorporate that and then you could
think about whether there's other things

1160
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:38,840
such as you know the crosswalks or a
sh's path or something else to pursue

1161
01:53:36,159 --> 01:53:43,800
through grant funding for a longer term
solution what's your approval process

1162
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:48,440
like if we wanted to go forward with
like the alternative

1163
01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:51,880
one is there are there studies that you
have to provide to be trans

1164
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:56,480
yeah so what ends up coming out of this
is so we've already done kind of an

1165
01:53:53,480 --> 01:54:01,040
existing conditions assessment and um
you know we're following the steps

1166
01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:05,880
associated with the granch um process
and from this meeting if we come up with

1167
01:54:03,480 --> 01:54:10,480
what the planned approach is and it
could be a shortterm approach with

1168
01:54:08,079 --> 01:54:13,719
followed by a longer term approach um
ultimately then we provide this to be

1169
01:54:12,119 --> 01:54:18,199
trans so we met with them because it is
their Road and got some input as to what

1170
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:21,760
alternatives we should or shouldn't talk
about and I say that kind Loosely

1171
01:54:20,360 --> 01:54:25,320
because there was nothing that they said
don't talk about but they did say things

1172
01:54:24,199 --> 01:54:29,719
like me trying to get rid of the
climbing Lane they said that's a real

1173
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:34,280
long like be honest with them that's a
really longer term solution that's not

1174
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:38,280
it's not at the table but that's not
something that we're going to want to

1175
01:54:35,719 --> 01:54:44,280
move forward with the short term so they
were up front with us they knew what we

1176
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:49,000
would be presenting today um and
basically you know what happens next is

1177
01:54:47,239 --> 01:54:53,119
yeah if it's striping recommendation it
could become part of their work plan and

1178
01:54:51,239 --> 01:54:56,199
or if there's something else whether
it's striping or whether it's you know

1179
01:54:54,639 --> 01:54:59,119
putting in a sidewalk or shareed use
path the grant program and

1180
01:54:57,639 --> 01:55:04,800
transportation Alternatives Grant or the
bike pad Grant or the way to help

1181
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:10,239
those so if the town collaborates with
say you know you're going down for take

1182
01:55:07,800 --> 01:55:17,320
par you're going over North you have
this B Trail that's going to be um uh

1183
01:55:13,480 --> 01:55:22,639
it's it's a reality and so then you go
down or you take a less online Road

1184
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:29,280
they've just researched it all there's
there are several several walkers on

1185
01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:33,920
that road and also they're in bikers and
they come up from Kellington Avenue over

1186
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:40,239
that way and you
know as you know highways uh it's

1187
01:55:37,199 --> 01:55:45,119
enticing to go faster right so it those
folks are in Jeopardy so and that's

1188
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:51,239
where on toown so you're looking you
have great money and you are showing on

1189
01:55:48,639 --> 01:55:55,599
your whatever phase you want how you
want to do that that you're

1190
01:55:52,760 --> 01:56:01,639
collaborating with um the Park Service
which is which is National and they have

1191
01:55:58,199 --> 01:56:05,960
more finances than we do and and you're
also working you're in mendin and

1192
01:56:03,880 --> 01:56:10,400
showing the collaboration to get over
there using existing

1193
01:56:08,040 --> 01:56:16,920
resources you
know I I concur 150% on the village

1194
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:23,920
aspect and how how that goes because
it's very imperative for our town for

1195
01:56:20,040 --> 01:56:29,480
that um so does that give you any
leverage in regards to collaboration

1196
01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:34,079
versus just doing what you giv you a
much more palatable Grant application

1197
01:56:32,079 --> 01:56:37,760
because that the bip grants are
competitive and so to be able to say

1198
01:56:36,639 --> 01:56:42,760
you're working with surrounding
communities to create entire network and

1199
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:45,880
or that you know the forest service is
putting this in we know these are new

1200
01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:50,239
connections that can be made to
different Trails um that makes your

1201
01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:54,920
Grant application it isn't just a
standalone facility in the middle of

1202
01:56:52,000 --> 01:57:01,560
nowhere it's part of a network go more
Global yes definitely that that makes it

1203
01:56:58,520 --> 01:57:09,000
more I'm kind of new to this uh table
but I was just wondering has has a

1204
01:57:04,599 --> 01:57:12,960
rotland town have we had meetings that
um you know you're doing this and we're

1205
01:57:10,599 --> 01:57:17,199
looking to do this how can we improve
the you know coming down forward taking

1206
01:57:15,639 --> 01:57:21,719
the left you know and I understand
they're doing it at the Post Road course

1207
01:57:19,079 --> 01:57:27,320
there school section over there and
theyve done a really nice job you know

1208
01:57:23,679 --> 01:57:32,440
with that my son used to like he an
interpretation he go out of J one day

1209
01:57:30,079 --> 01:57:36,599
momy says mom can't I just like go to
north of pool today I said really you

1210
01:57:35,079 --> 01:57:41,840
think you're GNA like drive your bike
down the

1211
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:48,679
FL so okay I said well why don't you
let's try it so we had our supper

1212
01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:51,639
daylight so traffic I'm like following
down there and I'm thinking I'm not

1213
01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:57,159
ready for this I don't think this is
going to work but it they have enticing

1214
01:57:54,840 --> 01:58:00,920
you know um the kids have a really good
time it's a lot of fun kids are doing

1215
01:57:59,239 --> 01:58:08,880
Mountain Bing which is excellent
Wellness you know but I just wondered

1216
01:58:04,199 --> 01:58:12,960
how can we um collaborate and you know
be able

1217
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:16,400
to kind of make it like I mean you've
got the government you got the state you

1218
01:58:14,639 --> 01:58:21,520
got rot in City over here you got rot in
town you know it seems like we should be

1219
01:58:19,079 --> 01:58:26,760
able to do that and enrich all the
communities the other thing in regard

1220
01:58:23,719 --> 01:58:26,760
signage a lot of

1221
01:58:34,679 --> 01:58:43,920
towns veterans and having you know
having that signage that kind of

1222
01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:52,079
Embraces the veterans who
um I respect highly um to have that in

1223
01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:58,079
my town um which is not in the state but
I noticed when I go with seven you know

1224
01:58:54,440 --> 01:59:04,079
they have you know who serves where Co
is yeah and any of those any either

1225
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:08,079
monumentation or as I said banners or
other things really helps with the plac

1226
01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:14,360
making so I mean that is definitely
something to embrace to help you feel

1227
01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:21,119
like you're arriving in a place the is
from you know doing that again not not a

1228
01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:25,719
part of this so right now but why don't
we just take a step back because you

1229
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:30,199
know I I know folks are are going to
want to go home at some point why don't

1230
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:35,800
we just talk a little bit I heard a lot
of interest in the Shar pad you brought

1231
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:41,760
a great point up though that menen will
need to maintain that shared use path um

1232
01:59:39,000 --> 01:59:45,800
and that is something that we need that
honestly if you apply for that Grant you

1233
01:59:44,199 --> 01:59:53,599
you have to commit that you're going to
maintain that share juuse path um is

1234
01:59:48,960 --> 02:00:01,119
there a short-term solution that folks
what you know what is the appetite is it

1235
01:59:57,800 --> 02:00:07,560
um all in we we want the shy path the
entire way is there a in the shorter

1236
02:00:04,679 --> 02:00:14,639
time thinking about segments with just
the the striping is there um and we do

1237
02:00:12,599 --> 02:00:19,360
really need to find out like as towns
people that would mean if there is a

1238
02:00:16,679 --> 02:00:23,320
change to the budget at town meeting day
all of you who are interested in the

1239
02:00:21,360 --> 02:00:27,199
shareed use P need to get out there and
make sure that the town's people are

1240
02:00:25,119 --> 02:00:33,599
going to vote in support of maintaining
that sh and you know grants come with

1241
02:00:30,639 --> 02:00:38,599
matching funds so we would have to have
matching funds in order to construct

1242
02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:43,000
this that is
true it seems like that's the only

1243
02:00:40,599 --> 02:00:47,280
alternative that leverages the other
other communities assets and resources

1244
02:00:45,480 --> 02:00:53,040
right
otherwise we could accomplish traic down

1245
02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:59,920
nice right but is there reason to stop
and right now but I think you have the B

1246
02:00:57,520 --> 02:01:03,560
which is definitely going to create a
lot of traffic right if you if you can

1247
02:01:01,880 --> 02:01:09,440
connect
that because I mean I don't really know

1248
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:14,440
how many people got to walk up for
hillington I have two people come the

1249
02:01:11,560 --> 02:01:18,040
store year maybe
yeah you know what I'm saying but it's

1250
02:01:16,280 --> 02:01:21,880
not a large amount because that's air
roide

1251
02:01:19,719 --> 02:01:25,239
up that I mean usually it's schools and
they're just torturing the kids well

1252
02:01:23,239 --> 02:01:31,360
it's a high level
enus this very little road riding for

1253
02:01:28,079 --> 02:01:35,239
month about and then of course the eik
will change terms of

1254
02:01:32,840 --> 02:01:40,239
community but so my point would be like
if you get to to the new farest uh us

1255
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:46,360
farest service right where the Belmont
Trail will will be right connect that

1256
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:51,679
the people that will use Almont and then
connect that to the resources in R right

1257
02:01:49,119 --> 02:01:55,719
right and then connect that to men at
least right

1258
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:58,760
so uh cuz I mean I think you need to
leverage everybody else's resources

1259
02:01:57,239 --> 02:02:02,639
because I don't see a lot of resources
in menend in to drive people I mean you

1260
02:02:01,079 --> 02:02:09,320
have like trigger spice which is cool
right people would like that and you

1261
02:02:04,040 --> 02:02:14,639
have the Min golf right ice but
um my suggest would be at least to get

1262
02:02:11,599 --> 02:02:19,760
that multi-use pass up to the for Center
or service center start from the and go

1263
02:02:17,280 --> 02:02:23,320
up to the right because then you can
engage well first of you'll get people

1264
02:02:21,239 --> 02:02:28,760
to come from the for service that use
mul to come down from men right and then

1265
02:02:26,280 --> 02:02:33,520
they go over to R for those resources
right um I'm sorry stuff on Park the

1266
02:02:31,159 --> 02:02:38,520
swimming pool and stuff like
thats and going to go that way you said

1267
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:43,840
yeah yeah so I think that then you could
capture some of that distance right that

1268
02:02:40,679 --> 02:02:50,040
audience anyway and then because I think
pass there multiuse pass

1269
02:02:47,599 --> 02:02:55,280
PA not
get resear what kind of Ro like you said

1270
02:02:53,679 --> 02:03:00,040
you were deal with killing coming the
other way you know what I mean you have

1271
02:02:56,480 --> 02:03:03,159
to get connect you know yeah that
sidewalk to Nowhere you know it's just

1272
02:03:01,560 --> 02:03:08,800
in the middle but I think I think if
they're Killington they're

1273
02:03:06,320 --> 02:03:14,960
they're might be into it
to the people who would be who might be

1274
02:03:12,239 --> 02:03:18,440
visiting B would probably do so on FMA
Trail because otherwise they would be

1275
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:23,119
doing it right now on new porn they're
not

1276
02:03:19,880 --> 02:03:28,520
so so I think develon is attraction is a
is a resource rather try to leverage and

1277
02:03:26,079 --> 02:03:32,280
uh I think it's you know in terms of the
cost so you're not going all the way up

1278
02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:38,560
you go to there the part service right
and then um and that's up marketable as

1279
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:45,000
well connect you can Market that so you
connect men to the trail to the m of

1280
02:03:42,599 --> 02:03:50,760
course
we and then you know the the r can you

1281
02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:56,239
know Hill Park and those other resources
as well so that my my suggestion would

1282
02:03:53,840 --> 02:04:01,239
be that that would be a good thing to do
to get that multi-use trail at least up

1283
02:03:58,559 --> 02:04:05,639
to the part service um because then it
becomes sort of a marketable asset as

1284
02:04:03,079 --> 02:04:09,440
well hey this is what you do is who we
are is where we are we're local we're

1285
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:15,119
close right you're going to ride
building thing come on down we have

1286
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:18,599
rooms meals you know so my suggestion
yeah I have a quick question for the

1287
02:04:16,599 --> 02:04:20,800
town the setbacks over there are 100 fet
corre

1288
02:04:21,199 --> 02:04:27,480
correct is there any I mean you guys are
trying to tighten up the road and bring

1289
02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:31,840
the house to closure you can't do it but
is there any chance that the town might

1290
02:04:29,719 --> 02:04:37,239
up some regulations on that in future
building so that would be in the zoning

1291
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:41,679
re so as the Planning Commission applies
for a municipal planning Grant this year

1292
02:04:39,520 --> 02:04:48,239
they'll start working on the zoning
regulation rewrite for going into

1293
02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:53,679
2024 and those are the different ideas
that you want to present to the Planning

1294
02:04:50,719 --> 02:05:00,280
Commission to possibly reduce that
setback oretty extreme setb really you

1295
02:04:57,280 --> 02:05:02,840
look at it I mean 100 feet yeah you know
yeah so the

1296
02:05:03,440 --> 02:05:10,639
intention between you know the intention
there was to have green space between

1297
02:05:07,639 --> 02:05:16,840
the buildings and to keep that rural
aspect but what hasn't happened is they

1298
02:05:14,280 --> 02:05:22,280
built out route four so wide that now
it's just a if you want business to come

1299
02:05:19,599 --> 02:05:26,920
in and I'm going to H on it again Lower
speed limits they come in on but you'd

1300
02:05:24,679 --> 02:05:30,520
rather be closer to the road because if
you build a building there you're 100

1301
02:05:28,360 --> 02:05:34,159
feet you got to build a building 100
feet back have a tiny sign and the

1302
02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:37,400
parking lot pretty much has got to be in
the back of your store which is very

1303
02:05:35,480 --> 02:05:41,920
rough for a business to open up I mean
by changing that might make your car a

1304
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:46,800
little better I don't know just a
suggestion

1305
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:50,800
W was there reaction to the proposal of
a shared Ed path from w Town Line to the

1306
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:57,320
forest
service is that um appealing do we think

1307
02:05:55,000 --> 02:06:01,520
that's more practical than the entire
Lane do we think we lose something by

1308
02:05:59,440 --> 02:06:05,199
dropping the East end or do we think
that that sounds appropriate I think

1309
02:06:03,320 --> 02:06:09,040
you'd lose something but you're going to
sounds like you're going to gain more

1310
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:13,719
because like the people have been saying
there's more cyclists they will be

1311
02:06:11,639 --> 02:06:20,840
interested in
that you can connect in the future too

1312
02:06:17,440 --> 02:06:24,920
yeah yeah otherwise who you're who are
you trying to

1313
02:06:21,960 --> 02:06:31,679
attract practical side of do it worth it
yeah yeah and and they come where they

1314
02:06:28,880 --> 02:06:31,679
where they G

1315
02:06:33,960 --> 02:06:41,679
they striping and maybe something in the
village to start and then that next

1316
02:06:38,880 --> 02:06:45,320
segment of the path be like a phase two
feel like it's a lot well maybe you can

1317
02:06:43,079 --> 02:06:49,199
make a combo too you're doing the pass
that way and then you have the striping

1318
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:52,840
going up the rest of the way you know
there's different theories can go with

1319
02:06:50,719 --> 02:06:57,159
this so what do you do to narrow the
road where you don't have the the path

1320
02:06:55,159 --> 02:07:03,040
anymore make it
less well I me as I showed in striping

1321
02:07:00,400 --> 02:07:09,040
that that for alternative one in each
configuration and you know you can see

1322
02:07:05,360 --> 02:07:14,880
it on your screen now um is using that
same 20 fet in a different way to make

1323
02:07:11,400 --> 02:07:14,880
the driver feel like they're more

1324
02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:26,800
constraint I have a question Clarity
question how La a process are we talking

1325
02:07:24,559 --> 02:07:31,360
about that may be a hard thing to answer
and it depends it depends how successful

1326
02:07:28,840 --> 02:07:38,400
you are in your Grant applications um
because I did a scoping study in um

1327
02:07:34,599 --> 02:07:43,440
theas swon a few years ago and let me
think it's now three years ago now we

1328
02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:47,360
are designing the first phase of their
improvements so they were successful in

1329
02:07:45,639 --> 02:07:50,639
obtaining you know in the first round
with their grant program after because

1330
02:07:49,119 --> 02:07:55,159
of course this still has to continue
through the process um when once we come

1331
02:07:52,920 --> 02:07:59,719
up with a bird alternative and create a
draft scoping study po to V and VR is

1332
02:07:58,040 --> 02:08:03,679
review of all of their departments and
that's where they say oh my gosh that's

1333
02:08:02,040 --> 02:08:07,159
going to be incredibly difficult because
of that one like how are you going to

1334
02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:11,320
address that and can you comment on this
or your estimate is too high because of

1335
02:08:09,159 --> 02:08:15,239
that and they they comment on all the
different aspects of the study and then

1336
02:08:13,520 --> 02:08:19,360
ultimately it also needs to be endorsed
by the select board um with the full

1337
02:08:18,119 --> 02:08:24,520
understanding what that means those
implications about maintenance Etc um

1338
02:08:22,239 --> 02:08:27,679
after which point then you have this and
then you look for those grant

1339
02:08:25,599 --> 02:08:31,719
opportunities that come up from be now
there is currently right now the TR

1340
02:08:29,800 --> 02:08:35,480
Alternatives Grant is out there right
now so we don't have the study but maybe

1341
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:39,760
next year at this time you'll be in a
position you could apply for that grant

1342
02:08:37,199 --> 02:08:46,520
for example um but you may not be
successful in that first grant R so um

1343
02:08:43,119 --> 02:08:52,360
give a sense of what the cap on that
Transportation Alternatives Grant is in

1344
02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:56,400
terms of um I am less familiar with the
amounts and the transportation

1345
02:08:53,719 --> 02:09:04,800
Alternatives Grant the bike P Frant I
have seen that for projects anywhere

1346
02:08:59,159 --> 02:09:09,239
from very very small to um I think 1.5
million for shareed use path or you know

1347
02:09:06,559 --> 02:09:13,559
something along that
line and those are just some of the ones

1348
02:09:11,480 --> 02:09:19,119
I'm aware of it's not I don't know the
whole list of all those supports I just

1349
02:09:15,480 --> 02:09:22,239
wanted folks to get a sense of you know
is there any liability towards the town

1350
02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:25,760
when you're building all this stuff and
these people going and driving around

1351
02:09:24,239 --> 02:09:30,920
does the town have a liability towards
that someone get skill or Hur on that

1352
02:09:27,800 --> 02:09:35,360
situation that is a great question that
I don't know that I can answer fully it

1353
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:39,920
is still within VR right of way they are
still the owner but the town is

1354
02:09:37,239 --> 02:09:47,040
maintaining it so I think if there is an
argument about how it's maintained that

1355
02:09:43,960 --> 02:09:51,719
to the risk then
perhaps I don't

1356
02:09:49,360 --> 02:09:55,639
either but it doesn't fall under that
personal

1357
02:09:52,639 --> 02:09:55,639
liability

1358
02:09:57,119 --> 02:10:02,400
law yeah I'm sorry Thinking Out Loud

1359
02:10:06,719 --> 02:10:10,639
ask so are we looking

1360
02:10:11,159 --> 02:10:18,599
for res I mean
resol I mean I'm Hing to come from this

1361
02:10:16,920 --> 02:10:24,159
with some direction as to I'm going to
go back and draw up and look at imp pass

1362
02:10:20,559 --> 02:10:29,079
up um and so I've definitely heard
support for a path on the north side of

1363
02:10:26,040 --> 02:10:35,400
the street um a phased approach that
involves you know striping to try to um

1364
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:40,559
get us some of this um it sounds like
the the the sh's path on the North side

1365
02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:45,880
would extend probably from the Town Line
to um the forest Service headquarters

1366
02:10:43,639 --> 02:10:49,079
ultimately it might need to be phased
because again that is a big chunk of

1367
02:10:47,639 --> 02:10:55,119
distance
um let me ask you about in in the

1368
02:10:53,320 --> 02:10:59,280
village for example in the village
District um do we have an interest in

1369
02:10:57,280 --> 02:11:03,760
some of those crosswalks were the
crosswalks I didn't identify are there

1370
02:11:01,599 --> 02:11:08,440
destinations that we want to think about
Crossing pedestrians in the village you

1371
02:11:06,239 --> 02:11:13,960
have to go down to 40 miles an hour
though um well I design it to be driven

1372
02:11:11,880 --> 02:11:19,599
at 40 miles an hour we could get there
to get no I'm just you know saying

1373
02:11:16,040 --> 02:11:24,840
figure that y so is that where we want
to lens do we want crosswalks I showed

1374
02:11:21,880 --> 02:11:31,599
them between sugar and spice and the
mini bul and I showed another one down

1375
02:11:27,400 --> 02:11:31,599
between the Orchard and alen

1376
02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:38,360
pools it's dangerous though because get
snow you get people going across that

1377
02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:41,920
road icy or something like people trying
to stop you know they think you're going

1378
02:11:39,960 --> 02:11:46,280
to stop and you don't it's it's
something you really to think about I'm

1379
02:11:43,800 --> 02:11:51,320
not against I think they're great but
you know it's something to think about

1380
02:11:47,800 --> 02:11:56,119
you know people doing it no we'll
evaluate that in consider with the

1381
02:11:53,239 --> 02:11:59,840
guidance you know because it isn't below
40 miles an hour currently is that a

1382
02:11:58,239 --> 02:12:05,760
part of the first phase I mean maybe we
identify as that as the second phase

1383
02:12:03,079 --> 02:12:13,119
that happen if if we were to
choose um the

1384
02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:18,719
striping hoping that the um speed would
come down for the drivers just

1385
02:12:15,639 --> 02:12:22,679
visually I mean that
by The Orchard that's that's a little

1386
02:12:21,119 --> 02:12:26,840
Rat Race
sometimes

1387
02:12:24,559 --> 02:12:31,400
um would that come after that would
there be some sort of

1388
02:12:28,559 --> 02:12:35,719
study well with a multiphase I we could
identify that that's something like

1389
02:12:33,639 --> 02:12:42,320
evaluation of speed and crosswalk
locations as part of phase two

1390
02:12:38,280 --> 02:12:48,679
yeah I'm definitely a fan of starting
small cost effective seeing how see

1391
02:12:46,559 --> 02:12:52,040
effects and see what it does if it's
going to be part of the project starting

1392
02:12:50,159 --> 02:12:55,079
off it's striping part of the project
that you're going to go the two-way

1393
02:12:53,520 --> 02:12:59,079
start with the striping see where it
goes and if it's start to be effective

1394
02:12:56,639 --> 02:13:03,840
and working then make you know you can
go from there and I love the banner idea

1395
02:13:02,400 --> 02:13:11,320
it's
cozy

1396
02:13:05,840 --> 02:13:16,840
um yeah let's to that so as we showed
was just you the the down sign and just

1397
02:13:14,440 --> 02:13:24,559
put it on Banner um and obviously it's
not scale it's very here but um yeah and

1398
02:13:20,639 --> 02:13:28,639
that the kind of treatment of thek slow
people down and then we just grabbed a

1399
02:13:27,040 --> 02:13:34,760
few other
examples um that we were aware

1400
02:13:31,679 --> 02:13:40,079
of I feel like the banner is probably
the easiest and least expensive

1401
02:13:38,119 --> 02:13:45,079
alternative um because you do it behind
the guard rail but it visually it is

1402
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:52,239
still that vertical element um it does
not have the impact of say a um sign

1403
02:13:48,559 --> 02:13:59,559
like Jericho mon sign and again given
that area we know it is probably

1404
02:13:55,040 --> 02:14:06,239
difficult to plant and get Tre to thrive
given there so as a result I think you

1405
02:14:04,320 --> 02:14:12,119
know steering fors theer and that sort
of thing but we could think about

1406
02:14:07,520 --> 02:14:16,520
Advanced signage um think about um you
know lighting periodic lighting as as

1407
02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:21,840
you are approaching into town and with
the Lan striving to really reinforce the

1408
02:14:19,400 --> 02:14:25,800
drivers that you're entering I would
think in terms of the crosswalks I can

1409
02:14:23,559 --> 02:14:31,119
see the need for between sugar and spice
and the minol because that's two

1410
02:14:28,480 --> 02:14:35,880
attractions the I'm not sure how many
people from Allen pools need to walk

1411
02:14:33,280 --> 02:14:39,920
over to the many orang plus there's A's
a very sharp Hill at that point

1412
02:14:41,159 --> 02:14:48,000
it's yeah I guess I guess the question
becomes if you are someone who is from

1413
02:14:45,559 --> 02:14:52,040
town and you live somewhere near there I
mean do you just come for a walk here

1414
02:14:49,679 --> 02:14:56,520
and is there a place for you to cross if
you need to cross so if you are coming

1415
02:14:54,520 --> 02:15:00,760
from the other end of men and you want
to go to the coffee shop so you're on

1416
02:14:58,119 --> 02:15:05,559
the shareed 's path and you need to you
cross to get

1417
02:15:02,280 --> 02:15:09,719
home so we can't NE like if you come off
the Town Line Road and you're biking up

1418
02:15:07,079 --> 02:15:16,360
the hill and you want to go to depalo's
we want them to cross

1419
02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:20,199
at wherever the location is and then
proceed up on the other side of the road

1420
02:15:18,480 --> 02:15:25,679
it's not it's going from Allen
engineering to to who's going from

1421
02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:31,440
Allen's to go get you know a muffin at
at the orchard it's that's where you

1422
02:15:29,320 --> 02:15:36,440
would cross to get to the other side of
the road to continue on to act so if you

1423
02:15:35,159 --> 02:15:41,800
wanted to go to Sugar and Spice you
would cross there in order to go all the

1424
02:15:39,520 --> 02:15:47,040
way up
Poss Network you got to have a crosswalk

1425
02:15:44,639 --> 02:15:49,800
that it needs to be significantly uphill
from that very

1426
02:15:50,079 --> 02:15:52,760
right places

1427
02:15:59,559 --> 02:16:06,719
for frames it yeah it is a small cost
though um the paint is really low cough

1428
02:16:05,440 --> 02:16:12,239
that's something that certainly you
could include in the grant um I I would

1429
02:16:09,840 --> 02:16:16,880
agree it does help you better establish
that

1430
02:16:14,239 --> 02:16:22,440
place thank you for coming but we do we
agree that need to do something so we we

1431
02:16:20,679 --> 02:16:28,920
at least need to start taking an
approach of the striping and the

1432
02:16:24,920 --> 02:16:28,920
narrowing and the yeah

1433
02:16:32,080 --> 02:16:39,800
so as much as I think like you know
start with the end in mind yeah we can

1434
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:48,559
do that but do it in phased approach and
then maybe we get more um that of the

1435
02:16:43,920 --> 02:16:53,000
800 tax properties maybe we get to 900
you know we see that we can do this and

1436
02:16:50,920 --> 02:16:58,040
then do the next phase and then you know
to a th000 taxal well it's Redevelopment

1437
02:16:55,960 --> 02:17:03,679
of those properties on roof for bringing
other businesses in and making a Vibrant

1438
02:17:00,359 --> 02:17:09,960
Community where we' plan to um and
taking advantage of of parcels that we

1439
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:14,679
already have and taking advantage of the
less

1440
02:17:11,800 --> 02:17:19,040
verticalized part of the roadway right
the parts of the roadway that are that

1441
02:17:16,599 --> 02:17:24,519
are more pedestrian friendly to begin
with and grow it up and I don't mean to

1442
02:17:22,280 --> 02:17:29,880
leave anybody out but the some of the
business owners were here in the more

1443
02:17:26,080 --> 02:17:33,120
flat area that to me makes sense to then
work our way up and connect with

1444
02:17:31,439 --> 02:17:39,599
Killington as
Kress and they're redoing their whole as

1445
02:17:37,760 --> 02:17:43,040
you said earlier G you know where the
where the Welcome Center is and the town

1446
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:48,439
offices like they're redoing their
pedestrian and crossing and bikes up

1447
02:17:45,479 --> 02:17:52,840
there too so we'll have more information
as sa for us and made and we haven't

1448
02:17:51,399 --> 02:17:58,880
talked
about Rutland I think it's Rutland City

1449
02:17:55,760 --> 02:18:04,240
having the road diet yep so things are
we are starting to get

1450
02:18:01,840 --> 02:18:09,040
there yeah there is definitely a push on
any of these major arterials that belong

1451
02:18:06,559 --> 02:18:14,399
to be trans to to change the character
when you're in the Village area for sure

1452
02:18:12,439 --> 02:18:19,519
I think from the perspective ofing
committee

1453
02:18:16,519 --> 02:18:19,519
and

1454
02:18:20,160 --> 02:18:26,679
make all the applications the issue is
what can we do now what can we do

1455
02:18:24,439 --> 02:18:31,479
relatively inexpensively like spring
which may achiev the the kind of

1456
02:18:29,280 --> 02:18:36,519
unanimous impression we need to do
whatever we can to reduce the speed and

1457
02:18:34,000 --> 02:18:41,120
maybe that will start to drive some
Rehabilitation properties and so forth

1458
02:18:38,679 --> 02:18:47,639
while we think about longer term things
like multi share path but I don't what I

1459
02:18:46,040 --> 02:18:52,040
kind of doubt this steering commit is
going to be recommending and I doubt

1460
02:18:50,359 --> 02:18:57,439
that our select board is going to
recommend is that we just make it easier

1461
02:18:54,519 --> 02:19:02,240
to get from Killington to R the city but
that's not

1462
02:18:58,760 --> 02:19:07,880
our this project so while
I'm but I'm offer increased bicycle

1463
02:19:05,439 --> 02:19:12,960
traffic and bont and so on so forth
question the town's going to have to ask

1464
02:19:09,800 --> 02:19:17,080
itself is how does that help mended so
is having a whole bunch of mountain

1465
02:19:14,639 --> 02:19:20,160
bikers coming from Rochester to findle
park

1466
02:19:17,960 --> 02:19:26,280
don't do anything in our town except
Traverse it and potentially on the

1467
02:19:22,880 --> 02:19:30,880
highway Le fality how does that help our
town so while we have a regional thing

1468
02:19:28,920 --> 02:19:35,439
we want to accomplish we still have to
from and perspective we still at what's

1469
02:19:34,679 --> 02:19:38,880
in
it so that's

1470
02:19:39,599 --> 02:19:49,439
why striking issues trying to get the
change custom change Behavior improve

1471
02:19:45,840 --> 02:19:49,439
property so I'm get

1472
02:19:52,520 --> 02:19:58,880
that would have to be voted on soon
right yeah you know what I'm saying so

1473
02:19:57,600 --> 02:20:02,399
you know and I don't want to stret your
speeding out any further right the

1474
02:20:00,479 --> 02:20:06,840
question is is that what is that give
that you don't have got people slowing

1475
02:20:04,080 --> 02:20:12,240
down but what does that do I don't
understand potentially let's say you

1476
02:20:09,080 --> 02:20:17,040
let's say demonstr time the striping
slows the speed of now you can put in a

1477
02:20:14,960 --> 02:20:21,720
crosswalk because the state would say
yeah justifi to rep put up a sign saying

1478
02:20:19,200 --> 02:20:27,560
40 instead of 45 maybe they changed the
signage instead of a flashing yell say

1479
02:20:23,960 --> 02:20:34,520
slow 45 flashing yell say congested
District ah had slow 40 so well that in

1480
02:20:31,399 --> 02:20:40,040
the appearance of we are a town yeah um
and not a drive-thru so people can slow

1481
02:20:37,200 --> 02:20:44,840
down and pull over at the gift shop and
and notice it bu something that they

1482
02:20:42,280 --> 02:20:49,319
stop when they're going
65 a I'm not there

1483
02:20:49,520 --> 02:20:55,200
District ideally what you're trying to
do is make it feel like a place so

1484
02:20:52,920 --> 02:20:59,720
people drive in a Fairmount slower and
this it and then businesses find it more

1485
02:20:57,359 --> 02:21:06,080
appealing like that's that you want some
of those businesses to invest to to re

1486
02:21:03,280 --> 02:21:12,080
to you know some of them that are
business to become

1487
02:21:08,960 --> 02:21:15,040
business and don't I'm just you know
don't think this the wrong way it but

1488
02:21:13,319 --> 02:21:18,560
I'm a businessman I just don't see like
how slowing it down makes me want to

1489
02:21:16,600 --> 02:21:22,359
open a business there you understand
what I'm saying that there has to be

1490
02:21:19,840 --> 02:21:28,240
some sort of I don't know you need to
have some sort of draw you need a reason

1491
02:21:25,280 --> 02:21:33,160
right to stop so but but I'm saying this
a bigger question right so but in the

1492
02:21:30,399 --> 02:21:38,880
meantime then yes I'm I'm all for the
the the uh the moderate approach right

1493
02:21:35,359 --> 02:21:43,720
the engaged approach because
um yeah I mean let's see how go money

1494
02:21:41,760 --> 02:21:48,479
right the question is though if it's
grant money right you got to ma the

1495
02:21:46,280 --> 02:21:51,479
grant then you have to Main
more

1496
02:21:55,359 --> 02:22:05,600
anyway online is anyone still with us
online still online there a lot ofs and

1497
02:22:03,240 --> 02:22:08,520
the shies path and whatever treatment is
done it should have actually be done

1498
02:22:06,840 --> 02:22:14,600
through theard or
okay great did anyone online want to

1499
02:22:11,560 --> 02:22:18,760
verbally provide comment
obviously

1500
02:22:16,160 --> 02:22:25,160
perfect
shell yes oh yes hold on shell Rose is

1501
02:22:23,920 --> 02:22:31,040
is
changing okay okay

1502
02:22:27,720 --> 02:22:31,040
good go ahead

1503
02:22:34,520 --> 02:22:42,760
shell do
usound I think that was just feedback

1504
02:22:40,760 --> 02:22:49,160
from
us oh unfortunately shelle we are having

1505
02:22:45,359 --> 02:22:49,160
trouble hearing from you

1506
02:22:53,600 --> 02:23:02,359
she no she's trying but no so Rose your
volume is up and yeah

1507
02:22:58,960 --> 02:23:07,920
no can she type her question yeah I'm
I'm so sorry sh if you want to type your

1508
02:23:05,120 --> 02:23:07,920
question happy

1509
02:23:12,399 --> 02:23:15,399
to

1510
02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:25,120
anything
so I just wanted to ask one more thing

1511
02:23:20,640 --> 02:23:33,680
um you when you're uh setting out your
findings um your report will you say

1512
02:23:28,720 --> 02:23:39,359
though there was large um desire to
see you know a 10 year five year

1513
02:23:36,439 --> 02:23:46,080
whatever eight year 18 year whatever
plan which Encompass the F and then but

1514
02:23:43,840 --> 02:23:51,120
the purposes of
this think I I'm going to talk but I've

1515
02:23:48,920 --> 02:23:54,720
heard from some of the stiring committee
and I look forward to Consulting with

1516
02:23:53,040 --> 02:23:59,880
all of them it sounds like the
recommended long-term approach would be

1517
02:23:57,640 --> 02:24:05,200
with a goal of providing a shared use
path through amended however we'd like

1518
02:24:03,040 --> 02:24:09,880
to do that in stages and we think in the
short term the appropriate thing would

1519
02:24:07,160 --> 02:24:13,680
be to look at changing the way the road
is striped to better accommodate

1520
02:24:11,920 --> 02:24:18,560
pedestrians and cyclists on the shoulder
in a safer way but with then perhaps a

1521
02:24:16,479 --> 02:24:23,399
phase two or in combination with the
phase one think of the chuse path in the

1522
02:24:21,040 --> 02:24:28,359
village where we expect there to be more
demand for it and how it connects to up

1523
02:24:25,680 --> 02:24:35,240
to the Northwoods pool or you know other
destinations in the village and within

1524
02:24:31,240 --> 02:24:35,240
later phases continuing to lead

1525
02:24:36,000 --> 02:24:44,520
up I think that's that's what I've heard
today so is a member of the steering

1526
02:24:42,040 --> 02:24:47,560
committee so I I mean just been the
interest of time because we've been at

1527
02:24:45,960 --> 02:24:50,880
this for two hours now
um do you want to wrap up for the

1528
02:24:49,000 --> 02:24:56,000
steering committee like what the next
steps are going to be because ultimately

1529
02:24:53,479 --> 02:25:00,640
you know Jen can't design everything
that she's described here for

1530
02:24:57,600 --> 02:25:06,600
Alternatives she's kind of coalesced
what she thinks might be the

1531
02:25:03,080 --> 02:25:09,319
preferred but that that that is my next
question for those of the steering

1532
02:25:08,200 --> 02:25:13,160
committee who are here and we'll
exchange an email as well just to make

1533
02:25:11,319 --> 02:25:18,840
sure we get everyone's input because I
know someone wasn't here is um did you

1534
02:25:16,359 --> 02:25:22,080
hear what I heard I just summarized it
for you but Rose will have it in her

1535
02:25:20,520 --> 02:25:26,880
notes in case she heard it differently
or Elizabeth heard it Stephanie heard it

1536
02:25:23,840 --> 02:25:32,399
differently um but what I heard and what
I take as my charge from that is for

1537
02:25:29,960 --> 02:25:36,880
this to be a successful product and
report I have to come up with then what

1538
02:25:34,520 --> 02:25:42,279
are the constraints around that because
I was con you know concentrating my

1539
02:25:39,960 --> 02:25:46,880
share juice pack off a different area
than necessarily we're talking about

1540
02:25:44,240 --> 02:25:52,040
here um I have to look at those about
evaluate those impacts and think about

1541
02:25:49,960 --> 02:25:56,479
what those you know we all know in that
area that I will call the hurricane Ira

1542
02:25:54,319 --> 02:26:00,200
area um you know it's going to be talk
to accomplish Shar these path there we

1543
02:25:58,319 --> 02:26:03,800
have to look to see how that could be
and what the impacts of how do you get

1544
02:26:02,000 --> 02:26:09,160
that permitted like that could be
challenging um you know those those

1545
02:26:06,120 --> 02:26:14,000
types of things so but I I would like to
confirm and I will do this VI an email

1546
02:26:11,399 --> 02:26:18,760
that that is the direction and that that
is the long-term vision of the town and

1547
02:26:17,040 --> 02:26:22,479
um then we can put together the scoping
study with kind of that gaser approach

1548
02:26:20,760 --> 02:26:27,279
that I just mentioned if the steering
committee is supportive of it so Sarah

1549
02:26:25,160 --> 02:26:36,279
in terms of
getting final approval from the town as

1550
02:26:30,960 --> 02:26:39,800
to what gen should use to finalize the
report is there going to be a step I

1551
02:26:38,399 --> 02:26:43,760
mean I'm assuming the steering committee
is not going to make that decision

1552
02:26:41,319 --> 02:26:51,200
you're going to
carry yeah the steering committee should

1553
02:26:46,040 --> 02:26:55,880
make the rec engb right
um so Jen will give you something to

1554
02:26:54,080 --> 02:27:01,760
work with as far as a preferred
alternative based on all these options

1555
02:26:58,680 --> 02:27:06,720
so it'll get steering committee approved
or edited first and then something

1556
02:27:04,560 --> 02:27:13,399
brought forward to the select board to
sign off on and then she'll proceed with

1557
02:27:10,120 --> 02:27:19,399
that in that is the alternative in the
report yeah so your initial research

1558
02:27:17,640 --> 02:27:27,479
though had
less um barriers on the west side of the

1559
02:27:25,200 --> 02:27:32,080
road on the sugar and SP side of the
road going down to yes yeah yep that was

1560
02:27:31,040 --> 02:27:37,520
where we
had but it fits in with what people said

1561
02:27:34,760 --> 02:27:40,800
about having it on the North side for
the rest of the corridor which is nice

1562
02:27:39,399 --> 02:27:47,800
because what we don't want to do is to
create a w pth that cross yeah um the

1563
02:27:45,800 --> 02:27:52,760
the only concern I have with that is
that most of the

1564
02:27:49,520 --> 02:27:57,000
recreational uses in mending are on the
other side of the road and that we

1565
02:27:54,439 --> 02:28:01,760
were're not accessing wheelerville road
which has all the hiking

1566
02:27:58,840 --> 02:28:07,240
p and it's heavily used and it's heavily
used so and you know kind of tying into

1567
02:28:05,120 --> 02:28:13,359
what Fred said about making sure that
we're presenting what's best for what's

1568
02:28:10,080 --> 02:28:18,359
best for Ming are we connecting
resources correctly we connecting

1569
02:28:16,160 --> 02:28:22,920
resources think about that by looking
again we'll have to just double check

1570
02:28:19,960 --> 02:28:28,760
the the resource constraints um so maybe
we think about doing on the south side

1571
02:28:24,800 --> 02:28:35,920
of Route four and then think about
having a goal of having a Crossing near

1572
02:28:32,960 --> 02:28:41,560
um you know Park Lane or you know one of
the connections to have to the northw

1573
02:28:37,960 --> 02:28:47,160
Pole right why couldn't it be on one
side and kind of coming up from the

1574
02:28:43,520 --> 02:28:50,560
Rutland Town Line and then switch over
certainly it can if you were going to I

1575
02:28:49,279 --> 02:28:54,600
would do it right in that kind of
Village area and make that transition in

1576
02:28:52,960 --> 02:28:59,760
the village yeah that's certainly where
you want a crossing

1577
02:28:56,880 --> 02:29:06,040
any
yeah so yeah I guess I'm not quite s on

1578
02:29:03,000 --> 02:29:11,479
keeping it on one side or the other and
I think at the Rutland Town Line at Town

1579
02:29:09,399 --> 02:29:17,840
Line Road I think from the local
concerns there was talk about a Crossing

1580
02:29:13,920 --> 02:29:22,240
there as well to get from town Ro to the
other side that's going to be a tough

1581
02:29:20,120 --> 02:29:28,040
one again because it's headed downhill
and speeds there yeah so I'm not sure

1582
02:29:25,760 --> 02:29:34,120
about a crosswalk at that location I
think that's going to be harder than

1583
02:29:30,200 --> 02:29:37,880
harder to um manipulate than in the
actual Village District where where we

1584
02:29:36,359 --> 02:29:44,120
have a little it's not as steep but we
have a little more control over it s

1585
02:29:41,240 --> 02:29:51,399
also Recreation Center which is way down
La of which is other side as well that

1586
02:29:47,760 --> 02:29:57,479
people so the Shar pass coming up
from l Road on that side of the road up

1587
02:29:54,800 --> 02:30:01,359
until they can safely cross somewhere
beyond the

1588
02:29:59,040 --> 02:30:08,040
orchard um so that they can get on the
other side of the road in order

1589
02:30:03,240 --> 02:30:14,000
to go to depalo's coffee or or down to
Sugar and Spice or go over to

1590
02:30:10,279 --> 02:30:18,439
Northwood um seems to make a little bit
more sense as far as connecting our

1591
02:30:16,040 --> 02:30:18,439
resources

1592
02:30:18,600 --> 02:30:27,520
but we're still oh but then we're
on the North side and we want to be then

1593
02:30:25,080 --> 02:30:35,240
on the south side for wheeler though
however yeah

1594
02:30:29,760 --> 02:30:40,920
yeah hard our resour yeah past Sugar and
Spice going up so you're still talking

1595
02:30:38,279 --> 02:30:47,000
about being on the North side up to like
the village and then at the village is

1596
02:30:43,720 --> 02:30:51,920
where you then would transition over to
access most of the resources that are on

1597
02:30:49,600 --> 02:30:57,720
the uphill side through the village are
on the right hand side of the right so

1598
02:30:54,080 --> 02:30:57,720
there to the trails

1599
02:30:59,439 --> 02:31:09,000
from where is
that um it's the vending road so you go

1600
02:31:06,359 --> 02:31:16,040
downtown Lane Road and then up the notch
Road in order to turn on we have a small

1601
02:31:12,200 --> 02:31:20,800
Recreation Area there that's that's what
I thought you there was the crosswalk

1602
02:31:18,840 --> 02:31:26,040
down at that
end and then

1603
02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:30,479
connection to you know to the Northwoods
pool because I'm in the bed enough

1604
02:31:27,720 --> 02:31:36,000
people that I probably um you know would
like to be a part of that connecting to

1605
02:31:32,520 --> 02:31:41,760
that resource and then there's a huge
demand to want to put some sort of share

1606
02:31:38,600 --> 02:31:47,800
use path on for we get wider so that
it's safer to walk on room we it just

1607
02:31:44,680 --> 02:31:50,160
that takes a lot of coordination between
the two

1608
02:31:51,000 --> 02:31:59,600
communities okay um yeah so we can see
about laying it out and think about what

1609
02:31:55,560 --> 02:32:03,640
those where how to how to cross people
how to

1610
02:32:01,319 --> 02:32:08,640
um what look at what those resource
impacts would be doesn't seem that it

1611
02:32:05,880 --> 02:32:15,840
would be good to have that multi-use
path sort of stay on one side and then

1612
02:32:12,560 --> 02:32:21,200
anticipate going up to the town lining
up here P right and not be

1613
02:32:21,279 --> 02:32:27,479
Crossing yeah I mean let's think about
it I mean let's think about whether it

1614
02:32:25,319 --> 02:32:31,840
makes sense I don't love it going and
crossing and Crossing back like I think

1615
02:32:29,840 --> 02:32:36,960
it would be better to try to be more
consistent and have Crossings to get to

1616
02:32:34,359 --> 02:32:42,439
the destinations you want to get to um
but if it crosses once if that makes

1617
02:32:38,960 --> 02:32:48,240
sense I I think that could work
um let's give it a little thought and

1618
02:32:44,560 --> 02:32:48,240
look at those resource constraints

1619
02:32:51,279 --> 02:32:58,160
yeah right so that I think that
transition zone is going to determ a lot

1620
02:32:56,200 --> 02:33:01,960
honestly I don't know if you're gonna
have an off-road option I don't know if

1621
02:33:00,279 --> 02:33:06,920
I am either which is kind why I stayed
away from it but it's evated I mean if

1622
02:33:04,399 --> 02:33:10,880
that's um you know an Offroad auction is
going to be really challenging in that

1623
02:33:08,439 --> 02:33:18,160
transition zone and you know look at
what you to that

1624
02:33:15,160 --> 02:33:18,160
yeah

1625
02:33:19,160 --> 02:33:26,319
let's look at it I mean I can see why
people want it but that could be it

1626
02:33:24,040 --> 02:33:30,479
could be
challenging think it's gonna be outside

1627
02:33:28,240 --> 02:33:30,479
your

1628
02:33:32,040 --> 02:33:39,200
budg that's right you can always build
it it's how much it's gonna C the

1629
02:33:37,279 --> 02:33:42,840
problem thank you everybody
online sticking with

1630
02:33:45,160 --> 02:33:48,160
us

1631
02:33:49,560 --> 02:33:54,680
and I don't know how you collaborate
with the with the towns but that's a I

1632
02:33:53,680 --> 02:34:01,279
mean
I history getting grant money the more

1633
02:33:58,000 --> 02:34:07,319
you show collaboration with and I
actually don't know where that goes but

1634
02:34:04,960 --> 02:34:12,120
when when you look at that area how does
that get over the Middle Lane Drive does

1635
02:34:09,000 --> 02:34:18,520
that go over to chy I mean the the the
path the pathway know had a number of

1636
02:34:14,800 --> 02:34:24,560
different Maps no oh the the most recent
I saw was the section it's gonna come

1637
02:34:21,560 --> 02:34:28,520
from the CH and pfield TR just completed
it's going to come through M through the

1638
02:34:26,640 --> 02:34:32,560
national forest it will be a Spur that
connects to the Killington Trail a Spur

1639
02:34:30,880 --> 02:34:36,680
that connects to the forest service and
the main Line's going to go out towards

1640
02:34:34,479 --> 02:34:40,399
like Northwood and the idea is that it
connects to Northwood and then from

1641
02:34:38,160 --> 02:34:45,520
there to like Pine Hill through the city
why I asked that question is because

1642
02:34:41,840 --> 02:34:52,399
when we had the the I remember we came
up with the chip Highway that went J but

1643
02:34:49,160 --> 02:34:52,399
how do you think living

1644
02:34:55,800 --> 02:35:03,120
int know when you think about that oh
that they were gonna have the

1645
02:35:00,600 --> 02:35:07,920
alternative that didn't work how were we
G to get the kids to bar so they were

1646
02:35:05,640 --> 02:35:14,800
talking about that and I was wondering
if that beond path goes over that way so

1647
02:35:12,359 --> 02:35:19,760
I mean that was an alternative the only
one that actually we had as a backup so

1648
02:35:18,080 --> 02:35:24,399
I just didn't know I havn't seen a map
I'm just finding out about this so Jen

1649
02:35:23,080 --> 02:35:27,760
were you one of the people that had to
walk the woodi parkway at night and you

1650
02:35:26,200 --> 02:35:32,359
had Mike Bron warning you about the
mother bear and the two Cubs so he had

1651
02:35:29,840 --> 02:35:39,160
no not I only was on the wood Parkway
during the day oh yeah long days you

1652
02:35:36,600 --> 02:35:43,600
know good for you I was wondering if it
would be if you already know about the

1653
02:35:41,960 --> 02:35:48,200
book we wrote
about and and we're still remembering

1654
02:35:46,760 --> 02:35:52,880
that because that really brought our
time together

1655
02:35:49,760 --> 02:35:56,720
especially soive as a I've been a tra
engineer 30 years like talk about

1656
02:35:54,680 --> 02:36:02,080
Innovative thinking to solve a
transportation problem and just um that

1657
02:36:00,160 --> 02:36:06,840
you know you can figure it out without
having that highway there like you can

1658
02:36:04,000 --> 02:36:10,800
get people too I got my groceries and
although I could have carried M did a

1659
02:36:08,600 --> 02:36:13,720
little one at the time with me um but
they did give me a ride

1660
02:36:14,520 --> 02:36:21,880
in well thank you
yes than okay folks online we are

1661
02:36:19,840 --> 02:36:27,120
adjourned I'm going to go ahead and just
connect have a good rest of your night

1662
02:36:23,840 --> 02:36:27,120
and thank you for joining

1663
02:36:44,880 --> 02:36:47,880
us