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Okay, good evening, ladies and gentlemen. This is the meeting of August 6th, 2018. It's like board meeting, starting off with a workshop agenda. I'd like to introduce the board before that, however.

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My extreme left is Jeannie Faerister. Hello. Next to her is Ray Moritz.

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Good afternoon.

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Good afternoon.

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I'm Jonathan James and Phil Warren, town manager.

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Good afternoon.

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Our first agenda is W18-25, the 2018 update in 2019 budget discussion.

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I think I will turn it over to Phil.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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And I know that great be the guy that probably

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catch it, if there's any screwups in this, blame me.

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It's my first time producing this report.

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You have an expenditure report in front of you

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that you should be produced by the, by the friend of the

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administrative services director, that position is not filled

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as of yet.

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But I wanted to do this as well as lead into the budget.

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As you can see, in the expenditure side,

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I did highlight some items,

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we really are in a good position for this time of year.

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We don't have anything of any significance that sticks out that we can't adjust to.

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I will tell you I did highlight a couple of items really briefly just so that you could see

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where we do have some outliers and where we do have some good news in some cases.

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I think it could probably be easier if you folks have any questions.

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I wish it that way.

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Mr. Tim.

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Next time.

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Yes, you may.

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Okay.

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Page three under computer hardware.

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The unencumbered $12,000.

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Okay.

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We had to replace our VPN device.

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We had to update our virus software to the new version this year and we also had to

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renew some service contracts for a lot of our items for a multi-year period that we did not.

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It wasn't planned for when we put the budget together.

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And on page for the millfoil, usually that's in and out, isn't it?

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There's a reserve that's attached to that.

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And again, that's part of my apology.

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I don't know, at this point I was uncomfortable accessing it because there's probably a correct

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adventure that needs to be made that shows it's for money we have in a reserve for this.

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So, this is not, you know, truly an overexpended joke.

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And I want to kind of blows my minds on page 8, that's General's systems, is that all we've

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mental far. I see that kind of slowly.

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Our general assistance person, Linda LaBranie, is extremely proactive and aggressive in making

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sure that we are spending friends in the right place for the right reasons.

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That's pretty cheap.

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Because it's usually a little more than that.

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Yes, it is.

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I'll leave that.

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But we also have some reserves that we've been able to access as it relates to donations that

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receive the turn up the heat program we use for fuel assistance so we're not hitting the

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budget. We're using those items also.

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Okay, I'll turn it over to someone else. I'm sure there are other questions. Thank you, Mr.

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Chairman.

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I just follow up to that question on general donations.

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On the fuel assistance donations, can

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Can you explain that to me, is that your mic on?

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It is.

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All right, can you hear me now?

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Thank you.

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Can you explain that to me so that the line that says fuel assistance?

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We have a line in there for appropriation, but at the end of the year, we apply the donations

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towards it once we accept all of them.

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So that basically zeros out, and then we have, because there's a reserve that's set up for

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donations that we've received. Is there a balance in the fuel assistance program?

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Yeah. And I, that's another one of those things. I'll get it for you, but I just

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couldn't, and I put this one. Okay. So the reason I ask is that every year that

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we hold that fundraiser,

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we split it between three communities. And we got feedback

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that the towns are not spending at all, that they're not seeing the need. Is that true?

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Oh, we're seeing the need. We're just the opposite. We're seeing the need. Absolutely.

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So, and the reason I asked the question is, as the committee meets again soon, we're looking at

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How do we read just of the three communities?

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Do we have to change the, I guess the funding?

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Like the allocation.

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Right.

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Let me get the balance for you so you can see where it is.

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But remember, this is not, this isn't, because we're in the data summary you think it's done,

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it's not.

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We still have to roll into November and December of this which would be contained in this

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budget and would be part of that donation that was provided this year.

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Okay.

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So we've got, like, when you look at, like, in this

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ties to public work side, and we still have, you know,

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I'm told by no more so, no longer in December to go for it.

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So there's going to be more expenditures out of that.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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But I will check, but I can tell you just from my experience,

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we spend it.

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We have a need for it.

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Okay, good, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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I have a question I guess I'll raise it's the same thing I raised prior years and it's still true.

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I'm sorry to say it I don't find this report very useful or meaningful.

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It shows us the percentage of the total budget but we have items in here that are already spent 100% of their budget.

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But they only have one bill a year of February and they should have spent 100%.

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So I don't know if that's a good or bad since I didn't know that the bill was in February.

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We also have other things in here that are a zero percent and I could think that we're

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way ahead in saving money but the fact is the bill that bill isn't in yet.

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So unless you can show us a monthly budget and a year-to-date budget where we are compared

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to those, these percentages of budget just don't mean anything that there's not enough information

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to tell us if we're in good shape or bad.

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Don't you build up a monthly budget?

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I assume everybody in business who doesn't

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annual budget starts by months, I think.

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No, what we do is it's an annual amount,

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and then we analyze.

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We've run this report monthly.

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I agree with you Ray,

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but there's some other things too in here

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that you can't tell people

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when they're going to ask the money,

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like the Humane Society, when they get the

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budget, so forth like that.

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I know that's a problem.

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I think what we've always looked at in the past is at this point in time, which is 7-12.

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7-12 is 58 percent, so what we're looking at is 58 percent of the budget being spent.

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That's about where we can be.

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The total we're about right on target.

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That's in aggregate, but all these line items you can't tell much of anything from any one of them.

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I can run this same report.

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You'll run it by period, which is a month.

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I can run this report for every month at this size, but don't you, in the course of building the budget for the year, don't you lay it out by month?

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No, we lay it out by year.

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How do you manage cash flow? How do you know if you're going to have enough money?

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Run it once we run it once a month.

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Run this report once a month.

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How do you predict your cash flow?

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No, we run this report once a month and it tells us where we are.

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And we have that information historic.

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So I run this in period one, it shows that we've

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expanded so much period two, three, which is every month, right?

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So we do the same thing every year.

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So if you have a lot of expenditures that are in a particular month,

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a good example would be the ones that you mentioned.

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Nate, the various organizations that we help fund.

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Once we approve that budget, many of them get paid.

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Some don't get paid until they ask for the money, but they need to get paid.

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So that's got to be a big hit on cash flow.

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Really isn't our biggest hit is the county payment and the school budget.

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The school budget is a million of change once a month.

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Usually in the last week of the year.

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Last week of the month.

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Because it's not in the budget, I remember we collect that.

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So unless we have a problem when we do the revenue reporting for the taxation piece,

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It's not an issue for us.

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If we have a revenue problem with the taxes, then we go back and dig deep into it.

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In my experience, not just in this community, other communities, I guess I've been

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fortunate to have a work in communities that have had a problem, but we analyze it every

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month.

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Yeah, you can't tell on any one account or a weekend at least if it's a trouble unless it's

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already over 100%.

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It's the only flag we get.

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All right.

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Well, no.

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I mean, if a budget sits 75% or if it's especially a labor line items at 80% or 90% we know that's something that's a problem.

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And when I say budget rate, I mean a whole budget, not just certain line items.

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But you've got dozens in here that are 100% and they're not in trouble.

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No, because they have one time expenditures.

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That's what I'm talking about.

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100%.

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We can't tell if that's a good thing.

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And that's what I said, if you want me to run this thing for every month I can, but it's a huge report.

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I don't think that's what any of us want to need monthly look at all these details.

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Well, we're going to look at a budget, I think, to see where we stand relative to the year is important.

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And that would be based on what you expected to spend in the first quarter or the first six months.

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Now, tell me you're at the statistical average for seven months, it's nice, it's useful.

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But if you were planning to only have spent a fourth of your budget by these seven months

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and all the things are back in, I'd never know if you were in trouble with 50 percent.

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We're conversely, it could be just as the other way that we're way ahead.

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But all that seems to be the mask in only looking at a percentage of the annual budget.

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I just surprised that you don't build it up from a monthly budget.

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No, because we present an annual budget.

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I've worked in four communities, Ray.

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I've never presented how to monthly budget.

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And I worked in four communities where cash flow was an issue.

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And we did revenue anticipation borrowing.

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And we monitored the revenue to make sure that we didn't run in a trouble.

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And when we saw we were going to have a problem.

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We adjusted it.

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I got a revenue anticipation note.

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You have to say I worked in more than four companies.

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and they never saw one that didn't do monthly budget to build up to an annual budget, I can't

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imagine you're like running your business without just looking at an annual number.

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We also use a different funding process, we're a fund accounting, you know, like for non-profits

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versus an our budget is based on an annual budget. And also our personnel, we budget for

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every penny of it right out of the gate, which private industry doesn't do many times.

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They put a round number in there because it fluctuates.

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Eyes doesn't fluctuate.

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We have 52 pay periods.

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We have only over time, which is budgeted in the police department.

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We don't have it in the fire here, and public works.

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Every other department, we don't budget over time for it.

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So we know right away within the pay period,

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if we're off, if there's some reason we're expanding more,

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if there's some reason we've done some personnel change

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that's not consistent with the budget, and that's the gauge right there.

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I mean, if the police over time were at a hundred percent, we'd probably have a problem.

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If the public works over time was at a hundred and twenty percent, we'd be looking at other line items.

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Yeah, but we, again, we do this, we run this thing every month.

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Then we do that analysis in the office monthly.

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Well, we don't need to continue debating it, but we certainly more meaningful to be able to know

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on some of these accounts.

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I guess that's what you're doing in highlighting some of what they are.

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But the real flag is where we are compared to what we expected to spend by now.

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And that's only here at the bottom line.

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It's a whole macro budget that we have.

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Well, I can run that report for eight months.

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And it'll show just what we do every month.

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The same report, because it's just a matter of me going in and telling it to run it, just a generator.

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But if it doesn't show what you expected to spend, it's not going to tell me anything more than this, Phil.

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Running a muslim isn't going to do me any good either, if you're telling me, you know, that you don't have a muslim, but what are you comparing it against?

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I can run it for last year, and you can compare it against that.

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I could run this report by month from last year and then you could compare it by month of this year.

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That would probably give us at least some indication of where we were.

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If you would try it, let me try it once.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Try it once.

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I'm going to produce 20 of them if I go to August, you know, 12th of last year and then 8th of this year.

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Just do one quarter.

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I'll cut you down to six.

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Do you just want to do the first, do you don't care about the rest of the year?

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That's what you mean if this proves worthless that I wouldn't bother asking you to do 20 reports

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Okay, proves very useful then I will okay

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Mike

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Just a clarification, I guess on page

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14 you highlighted the construction debris single now is that expenditure or how does that do when you're okay?

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That is basically you pay as you go what happens is we there's a side on the revenue side that shows the money we take in

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But there's also what it costs us to dispose of them and we said in a mile based on what we think the foot traffic is going to be for that

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We did that

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That's it and then that's one that it's pay as you go. It's not promoted

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Right, so we we're 51% which means we're in a good place

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So in other words what you take in like on the construction and if it doesn't

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paper itself is that, so we add to the budget.

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No, no, for us to be able to pay the bill, we have to have an expenditure line.

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We take money in, we have a revenue line.

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We can't, we have to look at the revenue within another screen, but I think you'll see

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that the revenue is either at or higher than what the expenditure is, why the time you get

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to the end of the year.

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I think that was my question.

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I don't sense a pound of whatever we get.

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You've got it.

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Is it covering it, or are we kicking in, or how is that part of it?

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Right now, it's covering it, but remember when you go to the next page and you see AVRDD, that's just regular trash.

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And then when you see trash disposal, again, that's just disposable solid waste.

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We budget for that, that we don't other than permits, we don't take in money for that.

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And construction debris, we don't take in money as you know for 100% of it.

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Because if you come in with a small load, you're not charged for it.

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Right. That probably understands.

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Yeah. So I guess my question comparatively.

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Some of those that, I'm just taking care of the trash at times, or does it help offset some of the...

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It does sometimes, but I'm going to pull up the revenue just to take a look at it.

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It's just that they're in separate reports.

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And again, this is my first time doing it.

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It's just reading it.

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Okay, if you were to look at demolition recycling, okay?

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which is on page, well, the pages are different in yours.

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It would be page 6 of the revenue report.

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You've got it all lumped in one big agenda.

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What is it?

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40.

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Okay.

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41.

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You'll see their Michael recycling demolition.

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We budget $75,000 for that.

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We've taken in 65 to this point.

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Now, the other thing to remember on that is also a trucking charge.

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So at the end of the year, depending on where this shakes out.

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It's like, like last year, we took in 62.

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We, the revenue was 75, but that is in helpful, unless you saw that end of year.

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And it's, certainly, like, expenditure amount.

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So in this case, as of right now, we've expanded,

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May 25, it's about 59,000 we've expanded between the two lines, as a hand then, for revenue,

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just

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set it, we took in 65, so we're running in the positive right now.

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But as you can see, there's a whole list of revenues that we bring in that relate to that facility.

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My

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turn.

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Let's get it.

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Are we paper and magazines and bottles of tin cans instead?

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Are they now in reality costing us to get rid of them?

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Right now we are stockpiling some of our classic in cans in that yellow building

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to see what happens with the price.

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As this board is not made a decision, well, let me back up.

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As we have not had to come to you yet, have you make that decision like they are in other communities?

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Do you want to just throw it into the trash and take it to the transfer station?

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It's at the dump.

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We haven't gotten to that point yet.

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Some of them are falling off, but others are pretty steady.

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One piece is, we budget it for aluminum cans, $10,000 for the year, we're at $8,900 in

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the seats.

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I know it's a small one, but we're doing okay.

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The paper has basically dropped off, but we've been doing mixed paper for a while, so that's

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another thing that we're going to closely monitor.

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Glass, we don't have a marker for glass.

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Nobody's got a marker for glass at this point.

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So I don't have a good answer for you on that one right now.

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Still, the steel and the metal recycling is okay.

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We're not, we're not at the point where you see

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in other communities where they're paying more

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per ton to dispose of their recyclables than they are

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this always.

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We're not, we're not there.

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The reason we're not there, we separate.

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We don't do single stream.

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Can you?

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Yeah, I just have two more questions.

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What does AVRDD mean?

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Andrew Skoggin Valley, regional recycling and disposal district.

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I have a dump in Berlin.

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Okay.

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The second question has to do with the wood chip disposal.

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What can you tell me about that?

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I know, I believe I saw a corresponding revenue side to it.

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What can you tell me about that?

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I can tell you that it's probably going to dry up at this point because we're not going to have a

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solace to get rid of it.

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We're not going to have a place to get rid of it because none of the power plants to take it.

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So how does that impact the community?

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Well, we've collected $11,000 to this point.

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If you notice there's no charge, there's no expenditure on the on the on the

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What chip disposal because we are not trucking it the only charge usually is is when we

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There are instances where we truck it, but then we get revenue from whoever we pick it up from

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The how we've been doing it as of late is people have been buying it from us and coming off facility and picking it up and taking it wherever

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It would mean a decrease in that revenue

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But other than that we would just stockpile it we're not to the point where we've run out of room or we're

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I mean, it could get to that point, and all it takes is a couple of storms in the fall.

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So, your plan would be to stock pilot?

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That's what we're doing now.

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And then what hope that residents know, we hope that there becomes a market for it at some point,

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or even so, if we end up having to do it, you know,

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it could get to the point where we could even offer it to give it away.

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The problem is there's not really a market for it, except that the wood chip plants.

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It's not like landscape quality chips that you can put down, right?

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It's stuff that's all mixed together that's rubbed through it, run through the top grind up,

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and good material, and a good moisture content to go to a biomass facility.

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Right.

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So we just have to sit on it and hold it.

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So are we able to stock pilot legally?

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Right now, yes.

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Yes, we are.

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Right now we are.

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We've been with them for years.

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Is there a certain amount that we can stock pilot to?

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not aware that we're permit, that's a permit restriction for us, because when I got here

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the piles were pretty big and then we found a market for it, put them down and have been

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doing it incrementally, but they were taking them to Alexandria, right?

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Oh, you're taking them to Alexandria, Bridgewater, years ago they used to take them to the wheel

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of radar when I first got here, that dried up. There are some markets for it, but all of the

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markets in the serious right up. So I'm just one last question. How are we? Is our DPW

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are day the ones generating the wood chips? No, it's a combination of our stuff but what

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people bring into that brush pile because we run that off the top grinder. That's pretty

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active too if you've been there in a weekend. You'll see that thing cleaned out and by the

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end of Saturday it's full. Sorry if you could get a chance to come in a Wednesday. You

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if she would happen to approach.

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Yeah, we do all our sub-grinding and Wednesday,

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because even though we have a nice brand new sub-grinding

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to thank you, it still throws a lot of debris out the top.

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It's just the technology.

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Thanks.

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Anybody else?

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Revenue questions, please.

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There's a lot more highlighting in the revenue side.

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And it's more for information.

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And I will start out with the first item that says current

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property tax. That does not mean we have collected zero in current property tax for this year.

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It just means that I'm not qualified to make the transfer into that report. There's a

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journal entry that attaches to it. And I'm leaving that for the replacement administrative

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services director, because I will surely mess it up. And I can tell you that our tax collection

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is on schedule and we're at about 95% right now from the tax collection side of

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it.

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I highlighted highway and bridges block grants so you can see the decrease in rooms and

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meals tax so that you don't lose sleep over it. That gets applied on 1231. The state

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so graciously sends us that on the last day of the last month of the last minute.

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Oh yeah.

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Good news on motor vehicle permits and some of the other things. Revener stable.

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That news is.

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Wow.

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Fill on the sewer.

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How are we doing on that?

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Because last year, I think the sewer fund was

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hurting us a little bit while the water end was okay.

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Well, the sewer wasn't hurting us.

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We spent more money, but it came out of the surplus

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funds if you look at where we are on that last page

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that shows that what we've collected for sewer rents

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That didn't get transferred over either.

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Any of that sewer and water didn't get transferred over.

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So I can tell you that we're at the same place.

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And I can tell you that from the collection side of it.

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I can't tell you from the, you know,

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what's been, because that has to, there's a journal

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entry that has to occur for that to show up on this report.

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Last year, yes, we were down on the current sewer

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We ran last year, but we did not take a huge hit because we were up on the other areas

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and we had also collected some backstop, but this year, we're probably in about the same

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place at some point we may want to look at, dialing that estimated revenue on just a little

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bit.

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Another question on revenue.

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Again, looking at the aggregate year-to-date,

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you said that the property taxes are not in there,

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which would be somewhere around 14 million,

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I think compared to last year.

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It still says we're significantly behind

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compared to last year, year-to-date and revenue.

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There are a lot of other items if you go through

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Ray that the journal that she's haven't been done.

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Like any of the collection items like water, sewer, and taxes, those items haven't been done and that's a huge piece of our revenue stream right there.

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That's, well, you figure if total tax commitments around $2,930 million dollars, you know, you've talking at least 15 of that, which is half, you know, because the first half taxes have been paid.

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That's not included in here. Either is any of the water and sewer rents that have been collected.

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That's the other thing missing.

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Yep.

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But as I said, from me dealing with regular basis on the collection side of it, we're okay.

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And the question, one other issue, you know, and it kind of goes to raise point with the dating,

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we don't get that room of meals tax, which is about 321.

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We don't get that to the last day of the year.

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And I will say that because we have a comfortable, fun balance and because we've got some decent cash reserves we don't run in for the problem they have to do revenue anticipation.

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Like other organizations though.

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And Phil, just another quick question.

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I don't want to touch this whole thing.

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So we see the previous year once.

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To link with tax is where we will begin the leading process shortly. I've already been in contact with them. I expect that it will be the same as it was in prior years. We start out with a list of about 30.

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And then that whittles down to less than 5. And then usually those are not of significant amounts.

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From the leaning side, we are not seeing huge increase in leans from prior years.

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We're not seeing all, you know, that type of activity, if you remember, while back you talked about that amount and it's close.

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It's not.

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And again, once we get to the deed place where, you know, we don't see the same volume, let's we get to deed.

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If you remember, it's usually the exception, not the rule, and I come in with instances where we need to have to take a property or take some drastic step.

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any other questions?

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And I will close this workshop. I got one other item. I'm sorry.

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The current budget did I include that budget direction draft?

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Did that get in there?

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Yes.

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Let it for me.

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It's a letter.

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Yes, thank you.

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We had talked about, I think Karen's got a question before I get rolling on this letter.

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I was wearing a different budget.

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Okay, Karen Stich from Meredith, I just, I walked in when Jenny was asking about the turn of the heat fundraiser and the last key charities check and when it's spent and if it's being spent.

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But I just wanted to recall a couple of years when I read the letter to the editor after the turn of the heat fundraiser announcing what a generous fundraiser it has been.

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and I know more than one year I've asked you if the check ever came and usually that you

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told me the check sometimes doesn't come to Mayor June. So it might not. He's not in yes. It may

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not reflect on the on the heating assistance from the year that the fundraiser is given.

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To you, I think it was last year, Karen. We had a problem getting our hands on the check and it

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comes to May at June. It generally comes earlier than that, because I sent it. Yeah, but the problem is

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even though you sign them and they come in, Jeannie, for whatever reason, a couple of years,

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they we haven't gotten it. At least two years, I bet. Or it ends up somewhere and doesn't get applied and

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I don't see the letter. Oh, I know as I send it on my end. Where it goes? I don't know. But I'm sure

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that could be an answer to why some people think it's not being spent, because it's actually being

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put into, if it comes Mayor June, it's put into the next year's heating assistance account.

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Well, I would just say this when we do the fundraiser every year, the, the, the

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not amount is split, equally among the three communities.

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and they've all gotten their checks in March, and they have funds left over.

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The most significant is Center Harbor, which makes the committee want to really take a

459
00:33:41,410 --> 00:33:45,550
look at what's going on and if we need to do a reallocation.

460
00:33:46,590 --> 00:33:51,750
Well, based on population, Center Harbor doesn't have as many people probably requesting

461
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:58,910
Heading assistance says number of population and narrative either, but it was just I I heard it and I thought well

462
00:33:58,910 --> 00:34:02,430
Maybe that's why it's going on the next year's

463
00:34:02,430 --> 00:34:07,890
Assistance program instead of the year that it's raised. Thanks. We put it just before we go down

464
00:34:07,890 --> 00:34:14,950
We put it in like a reserve account. So it stays there. Oh, it gets spent. I mean in our case it gets spent

465
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:19,730
I mean it might not get you know in the case where it came in in June we might not spend that money to later on

466
00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:23,830
But once we accept the gift, we also offset what we've spent.

467
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:26,030
I don't know if the other communities are doing that.

468
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:27,890
But let's just say it's $5,000.

469
00:34:28,150 --> 00:34:29,590
We've spent $5,000.

470
00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:30,630
We accept it.

471
00:34:30,630 --> 00:34:32,410
We appropriate it and we offset it.

472
00:34:32,430 --> 00:34:32,990
Oh, nice.

473
00:34:33,410 --> 00:34:34,370
That makes sense too.

474
00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:35,170
Thank you.

475
00:34:35,330 --> 00:34:35,970
Thank you, Karen.

476
00:34:39,860 --> 00:34:44,260
You have a letter in there that I usually prepare based on the budget.

477
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,680
And I usually present it to the Selectman.

478
00:34:47,260 --> 00:34:48,240
And we go from there.

479
00:34:48,260 --> 00:34:51,920
And I know earlier in the year, I was asked if we could do this as a discussion item.

480
00:34:51,920 --> 00:35:00,320
before it becomes, let's say, put in, put in place, so here it is, I don't know if you

481
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,480
want to discuss it, put it off for another meeting, I don't know how you want to handle this.

482
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,980
H-51 and 52.

483
00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:28,720
I think at this point, I'd like to put this off down a little closer to when we

484
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:35,380
get to it's budget time. I think another month would be, because we will be meeting

485
00:35:36,820 --> 00:35:38,880
three days in the end of November.

486
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:39,800
Okay.

487
00:35:40,260 --> 00:35:41,460
Here's my issue.

488
00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:43,440
I'm going to send out budgets in September

489
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,860
to department heads to fill out.

490
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,280
And we don't meet until the third Monday in September.

491
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,020
We can put it on.

492
00:35:51,180 --> 00:35:53,480
The third Monday in September and have the stuff ready to go

493
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:54,520
and it fits in the last schedule.

494
00:35:57,350 --> 00:35:58,370
Or I can put it on the next.

495
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:04,840
Okay.

496
00:36:05,060 --> 00:36:05,880
I'm backing up.

497
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,400
It's not much different than it has been in the past.

498
00:36:09,140 --> 00:36:09,420
Yeah.

499
00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:10,420
Okay.

500
00:36:10,420 --> 00:36:13,480
Then I'll take back what I asked him.

501
00:36:14,740 --> 00:36:17,220
I was just asked to put it on a draft form before we did it.

502
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:21,080
Let's say gas and stone had a discussion on

503
00:36:26,590 --> 00:36:26,650
it.

504
00:36:26,650 --> 00:36:27,150
Any comment?

505
00:36:27,710 --> 00:36:33,150
I guess the only thing we've been doing this since I've been here for nine years.

506
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:37,250
And it considered effort to give in the budget process to be

507
00:36:37,250 --> 00:36:39,710
10 current services service levels.

508
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:43,110
Is there any need of places where we should be adding?

509
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:48,520
Oh, that was a can of worms, I know.

510
00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:52,770
It depends what you talk to.

511
00:36:53,310 --> 00:36:53,750
Yes.

512
00:36:58,380 --> 00:37:00,840
It really, it really does depend what you talk to.

513
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,920
And again, that's policy decision that's like,

514
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,420
way outside of what I do when I put this together.

515
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:12,780
So I'll

516
00:37:16,330 --> 00:37:16,970
leave it to that.

517
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,140
I think it's fair to say we have not, at least since I've been on this select board,

518
00:37:28,140 --> 00:37:31,540
been looking actively for ways to add new services.

519
00:37:32,740 --> 00:37:33,040
Perfect.

520
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:40,260
We respond when there needs to brought to our attention, but we're not, we're not, we're

521
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,560
seeking new ways to spend money, and I think it's been consistent since I've been here

522
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:45,960
thankfully.

523
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,660
I think that's a perfect answer.

524
00:37:48,140 --> 00:37:54,700
Much better than I, I was all kidding aside there, you know, there are a ton of

525
00:37:54,700 --> 00:38:00,840
is that you could, if you chose to, and you wanted to expand your services, but that clearly

526
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,480
has not been the direction I've received.

527
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:16,560
So I don't know how you want me to handle this put it on for another workshop, or I don't

528
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:17,020
know.

529
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:23,360
I'd suggest it's virtually the same policy we've been following for the last several years

530
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,940
that I can't think of a read.

531
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:28,480
It's a pretty prudent and practical one.

532
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,400
I'm happy to stay with it as it is.

533
00:38:35,590 --> 00:38:36,390
Anybody else?

534
00:38:36,670 --> 00:38:38,670
Feel the same way?

535
00:38:41,490 --> 00:38:43,150
I guess you have a unanimous vote.

536
00:38:43,590 --> 00:38:43,990
Thank you.

537
00:38:44,650 --> 00:38:46,410
One last item, I know you want to join this.

538
00:38:47,170 --> 00:38:49,150
I will have the schedule out to you shortly.

539
00:38:49,710 --> 00:38:51,310
You know, I've calendar to tell meeting.

540
00:38:51,970 --> 00:38:55,130
It's just that there are some dates that I want to make sure they're right.

541
00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:57,770
And HMA doesn't produce the calendar this time of year.

542
00:38:58,610 --> 00:39:00,810
So rather than me trying to come back and being off a day,

543
00:39:00,890 --> 00:39:02,990
I'm going to give it a couple of weeks till we get that calendar.

544
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:07,030
Mr. Chairman, that is all I have on that item.

545
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:07,730
Thank you.

546
00:39:07,830 --> 00:39:08,450
Thank you.

547
00:39:09,290 --> 00:39:10,770
I'm sure it will be continued.

548
00:39:13,490 --> 00:39:17,310
With that, I will call the workshop adjourn, and we will go.

549
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:21,930
Since that's supposed to be at a meeting at 530, which I won't make,

550
00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:25,910
we'll, I'd like to start the actual select board meeting,

551
00:39:27,210 --> 00:39:30,130
which means what we do to the pledge of allegiance.

552
00:39:30,130 --> 00:39:33,090
And I'll stand, please.

553
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:44,160
The United States of America, and to the Republic, over the stands, one nation under God,

554
00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:47,520
and it is the will of liberty and justice for all.

555
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:53,410
And I'm proud to say this to the United States, OK?

556
00:39:53,530 --> 00:39:58,290
And because we've had a couple of people come after the workshop,

557
00:39:59,190 --> 00:40:02,670
quickly to the role of the who is here.

558
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:05,350
On my extreme left is Jeannie Faraster.

559
00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:08,890
Next to her is Ray Meritz.

560
00:40:09,110 --> 00:40:10,570
Leaving your room.

561
00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:12,010
Nate Thor.

562
00:40:12,070 --> 00:40:12,850
Good evening.

563
00:40:13,210 --> 00:40:14,270
Michael Pelser.

564
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:14,870
Good evening.

565
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:19,370
Myself Jonathan James and Phil Warren Talmanager.

566
00:40:19,850 --> 00:40:20,450
Good evening.

567
00:40:21,070 --> 00:40:21,430
Afternoon.

568
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:21,990
Yes.

569
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:23,190
Still afternoon.

570
00:40:24,450 --> 00:40:31,350
Our first agenda is to accept the end of our corrections of the meetings of July 16th.

571
00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:32,950
Can I have a motion?

572
00:40:33,730 --> 00:40:37,950
Mr. Chairman, before you do that, just real quick, I put a new copy in front of you.

573
00:40:38,130 --> 00:40:43,490
The only change on the copy compared to what you had was the minutes from the CDBG hearing.

574
00:40:44,610 --> 00:40:47,790
There were some additions we made after.

575
00:40:48,650 --> 00:40:52,090
Edith, excuse me, we made after you received your copy.

576
00:40:56,170 --> 00:40:57,470
Do you have a motion? Mr. Chairman?

577
00:40:58,670 --> 00:41:01,190
Excuse me, can you tell me what those were? I'm just curious.

578
00:41:01,190 --> 00:41:08,510
There were some, let's say, semantics changes that we were requested to include.

579
00:41:08,850 --> 00:41:11,150
It was more to make sure that stuff was stated.

580
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:16,150
You know, it was what occurred at the meeting, but they had to be like highlighted in there.

581
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:21,310
One of them was that there were handouts that were available from the public requirements of the grant.

582
00:41:23,860 --> 00:41:26,640
So, there's nothing substantially.

583
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,500
Nothing we need to re-read.

584
00:41:30,580 --> 00:41:32,920
No, it's just putting it in there for a minute.

585
00:41:35,820 --> 00:41:36,420
Do I have motion?

586
00:41:37,180 --> 00:41:45,360
Mr. Chair, I move week, except the July 16 minutes board minutes as they were presented

587
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,500
a second time.

588
00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:48,780
Do I have a second?

589
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:49,700
I'll second.

590
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,660
Is there any discussion now?

591
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:03,020
I have a question and I don't know if this is one of the things you changed because

592
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:05,680
haven't looked at the new minutes, but on page

593
00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:14,920
4, John Edgar in the final analysis, that

594
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,560
sentence didn't make any sense to me. Is that one of the ones you changed?

595
00:42:20,620 --> 00:42:22,000
Well, I'm sorry, Jamie, where was it?

596
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,340
So it's on page 4, and it's about a middle of the way through.

597
00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:31,720
John Edgar in the final analysis, assuming all of the funding pieces come together and

598
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:35,960
thing is to go there to go there will be a form of contract between the town and the

599
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:36,940
suburb of the recipient.

600
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,980
It should say stated basically that's verbatim what he said.

601
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,360
I'll stick that word in there.

602
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,400
Anything else?

603
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:05,940
Hearing none.

604
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:07,940
All those in favor.

605
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:09,300
All right.

606
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:09,900
All right.

607
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:10,400
All right.

608
00:43:10,580 --> 00:43:10,640
All right.

609
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:11,040
All right.

610
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,300
All right.

611
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:25,660
Thank you Mr. Chairman for this summer as you're aware we're using the new crosswalk at the center of the town docks.

612
00:43:25,940 --> 00:43:29,260
We have signage of each old crosswalk directing pedestrians of the new one.

613
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,840
Now you're shocked to hear this, but there are folks that are still attempting to cross the old locations.

614
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,020
Even those signs are there and the crosswalks and curb cuts are gone.

615
00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:48,050
And another thing I was asked about lighting for that crosswalk, there is temporary lighting at that crosswalk at night.

616
00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:52,890
I think at one time the battery might have died in it or something happened, but it's all set now.

617
00:43:54,980 --> 00:44:01,880
The Saturdays, the 250th parade, it starts at 10 a.m. goes down Main Street from cross and walk you on, turns right at Route 3.

618
00:44:02,220 --> 00:44:05,100
South until Mill Street heading to the Middleton Building Supply.

619
00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:10,820
It's expected to take one and a half hours. Route 3 will be open during the parade, one lane only.

620
00:44:11,140 --> 00:44:12,140
That's the condition of the permit.

621
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:15,140
No parking on Main Street, starting Friday night.

622
00:44:18,180 --> 00:44:28,160
We received the my office received the letter from the residents on Stone Day Island road a while back concerning speed orientation a possible crosswalk installation and speed bumps

623
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,420
We've investigated same and done some

624
00:44:31,420 --> 00:44:38,140
Research down there as to speeds we put the speed sign up just see your way, you know that speed sign or chords

625
00:44:39,140 --> 00:44:45,660
Doesn't record your picture anything but it records speed. So I know that there's a

626
00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:48,660
propensity of certain folks to go by it, see if you can top it out.

627
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,480
We know how fast you're going, you do that.

628
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,880
Which then means that

629
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,940
becomes the new location for a selective enforce.

630
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,360
When we see those speeds like that. There is a problem with it though, because if you're familiar with the private

631
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:15,760
beach on Stone Day Island road, wait on the end there, in the road almost ends at a dead end. There's

632
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,880
definitely a problem with the machine, because it registered a speed of 82 miles an hour. I don't

633
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:26,400
think there's any way possible you could get from that sign to the end of the street and stop without

634
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:36,420
taking out a house, AB2, is that new goal, but yeah, so what we did was we put the sign out

635
00:45:36,420 --> 00:45:40,800
there because it not only monitors speed, it monitors traffic, it gives you a visual display.

636
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,880
So we've investigated that, we reviewed, and we looked at some information on crosswalks that's

637
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:52,040
out there that's tied to the manual for uniform traffic control devices, it doesn't indicate

638
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:58,560
that a crosswalk should be placed at the beach there, speed bumps, so you're aware of my opinion

639
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:03,980
and never indicated, due to damage on permanent speed bumps, damage to a public safety equipment

640
00:46:03,980 --> 00:46:08,880
and damage to responding equipment and, of course, the propensity from to get scooped up

641
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:22,020
if they're permanent ones, but then the temporary ones have the propensity to become a

642
00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:31,400
real brief, I won't, that is a 25 mile an hour speed limit there, and our average speeds,

643
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,660
and I know it always seems like people are going faster, but our average speeds, just

644
00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:45,520
for example, on Thursday, July 19th, 193 vehicles went by that sign. They were only 22 of

645
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:53,220
vehicles traveled over 25 miles an hour. Again, you know, 72 is the highest speed. I would

646
00:46:53,220 --> 00:46:57,580
be impressed if somebody could get up to that. But we think there may be a glitch in how

647
00:46:57,580 --> 00:47:05,680
the thing picks up every once in a while. 22 the out of the vehicles traveled, I'm sorry,

648
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:13,720
50% of the total number of vehicles traveled 22 miles an hour on average, 85% of the total number

649
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:19,120
vehicles that traveled over it, only went 27 miles an hour.

650
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,100
So out of the

651
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:32,440
193 for that day approximately

652
00:47:34,770 --> 00:47:37,430
31 exceeded the speed limit.

653
00:47:40,220 --> 00:47:40,960
So the nice thing

654
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,360
about that sign is it gives us a real look, because it gathers that information.

655
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:55,080
Because I'm as guilty as anyone else, you're on a 25 mile an hour road and a boom truck goes by a large vehicle goes by you and you think that thing's flying.

656
00:47:56,580 --> 00:48:01,640
You see fire apparatus go by on the highway. Everybody says, look at how fast that fire trucks going.

657
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,980
You know the most fire trucks that govern, they can't go over 57 miles an hour.

658
00:48:06,420 --> 00:48:13,800
So then I really go in that fast. But this gives us real look at how many people and what's going on down there.

659
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,000
So I expect the respond to that neighborhood association

660
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,980
and let them know what we found in.

661
00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:22,460
We have installed another speed limit sign down there.

662
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,900
And also, we put it on extra patrols so that the police

663
00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:27,060
would go down there and take a look.

664
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,420
The other thing is our call volume.

665
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,380
We researched our call volume going back to the early 2000s.

666
00:48:33,620 --> 00:48:38,000
And we found instances of two more vehicle crashes.

667
00:48:38,140 --> 00:48:39,060
They were very significant.

668
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,980
And over that same time period, the length of it

669
00:48:41,980 --> 00:48:46,080
six complaints about vehicles speeding to the police.

670
00:48:49,890 --> 00:48:55,490
We also have another resource that we may employ in the future and I'm thinking to do it on Main Street.

671
00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:57,310
I shouldn't have said anything.

672
00:48:57,610 --> 00:49:04,910
But anyway, our regional planning association can put the tubes out that you've seen.

673
00:49:05,050 --> 00:49:08,010
And they show vehicle speed, composition, and time of day.

674
00:49:08,290 --> 00:49:12,730
And I'm thinking to do it on Main Street in the post office just to give us some information.

675
00:49:12,730 --> 00:49:20,710
It's not bad, it's only like $150 for a few days worth of information which is all you need.

676
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,420
I'm meeting with the Islands Association representative Thursday, I'll advise you as to the results.

677
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,580
And finally, the Archie Statue dedication is Thursday at noon at community park.

678
00:49:35,340 --> 00:49:36,380
It's all I have, Mr. Chairman.

679
00:49:39,170 --> 00:49:40,210
Thank you.

680
00:49:41,090 --> 00:49:43,970
Do we have any visitor or resident comments?

681
00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:50,840
Branden, they're going to do it under a gender item, you don't have to go.

682
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:53,500
Yeah, not yet.

683
00:49:54,540 --> 00:49:54,920
Sorry.

684
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:56,360
Sit.

685
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,700
Yeah, we put it on as an agenda item on the new business.

686
00:50:01,860 --> 00:50:03,440
Well, actually, you put it under old business.

687
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:04,060
Did I?

688
00:50:04,180 --> 00:50:04,520
Yeah.

689
00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:05,360
I'm fired.

690
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:09,360
So is it technically new?

691
00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:10,460
No, it's old business.

692
00:50:10,660 --> 00:50:11,800
It's clearly not new business.

693
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,680
Do we have any select comments?

694
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,140
of sec board comments?

695
00:50:17,220 --> 00:50:25,800
One probably more under old business but we discussed best select board meeting the driving

696
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:32,920
issues around Main Street in the post office and mentioned the possibility or at least

697
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,580
the likely looking into putting the temporary speed bumps there.

698
00:50:37,780 --> 00:50:39,980
Have we found out anything about them or use?

699
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,860
There's a lot of research about temporary speed bumps and how they're detrimental.

700
00:50:43,860 --> 00:50:50,740
The one biggest piece that concerns me is temporary or permanent speed bumps, there's a study

701
00:50:50,740 --> 00:50:56,200
out of Texas that show that they delay public safety response and can become a hazard

702
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,600
to public safety vehicles.

703
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:03,600
Our experience locally with the railroad tracks, which, unfortunately, one sets in bad shape,

704
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:08,500
has that they're similar to a speed bump, and that's damaging to our fire equipment.

705
00:51:08,580 --> 00:51:12,660
I actually break the springs, because the fire chief is concerned about that.

706
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,900
The other concern with temporary speed bumps is the way they attach, they can become a missile

707
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:20,240
because they're either epoxy or drilled in.

708
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:25,120
I wouldn't recommend the drilled in ones because then they allow for water infiltration

709
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,400
in the pavement, which we try to avoid it all by.

710
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:31,070
Mr. Chairman?

711
00:51:31,330 --> 00:51:31,550
Yes.

712
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:32,510
Well, we're on that.

713
00:51:32,650 --> 00:51:37,850
I think one of the things I mentioned last time, if it's possible for the last parking

714
00:51:37,850 --> 00:51:46,170
spot to become a sub-compact car parking spot as you go across. As you remember, last week

715
00:51:46,170 --> 00:51:48,970
I almost became a hood ornament with you watching.

716
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:53,390
It was not funny at the time.

717
00:51:53,970 --> 00:52:00,530
No. We can do that, but there really isn't a provision and it helps a lot that allows us to enforce it.

718
00:52:01,090 --> 00:52:05,110
There's a lot of things out there for different handicap markings clear. There's an RSA.

719
00:52:05,110 --> 00:52:11,110
But you see a lot of different parking signs, and there really isn't anything rooted in law that allows us to enforce it.

720
00:52:11,950 --> 00:52:19,750
I mean we can do it, but I can tell you that there would be a concern among the mainstream merchants that you're taking a parking space away.

721
00:52:20,890 --> 00:52:24,690
As if you notice all of our corners, our parking spaces go right up to the corner.

722
00:52:25,730 --> 00:52:29,350
That is not indicated in the manual for uniform traffic control devices.

723
00:52:29,830 --> 00:52:31,870
You're supposed to have a minimum of a 20 foot stall.

724
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:42,070
If you notice when they put in new parking spaces, they put that cross hatch area in at the end and that's specifically full of visibility purposes.

725
00:52:45,890 --> 00:52:50,410
We can do it. I'm just, you do want, you got to do a moment.

726
00:52:51,930 --> 00:52:57,610
Well, I would caution you against that because I'm a version of this, but that is the worst one.

727
00:52:58,450 --> 00:53:01,990
I mean, if that's what the board wants to do, that's easy enough for us to do.

728
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:06,590
It's just, I give it with the disclaimer that you will hear from the downtown merchants

729
00:53:06,590 --> 00:53:08,830
because you're taking a park at space the way.

730
00:53:10,210 --> 00:53:17,610
But I hate to take a life though, and it's just an amazing spot, and it seems like the only thing

731
00:53:17,610 --> 00:53:23,590
that parks there is a great big truck every time, and you just can't see.

732
00:53:23,590 --> 00:53:29,830
So, if that else, do you want me to do something with it?

733
00:53:30,110 --> 00:53:30,970
It's the board.

734
00:53:32,290 --> 00:53:35,030
Why don't we put it on a temporary trial?

735
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:36,630
I just see how it goes.

736
00:53:38,010 --> 00:53:43,410
I know we can't enforce it, but at least some people can read and maybe you'll give up

737
00:53:43,410 --> 00:53:45,070
it a chance because we've got some.

738
00:53:45,070 --> 00:53:45,790
We've got some.

739
00:53:46,110 --> 00:53:46,590
We've got some.

740
00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:46,930
We've got some.

741
00:53:46,930 --> 00:53:47,010
We've got some.

742
00:53:48,190 --> 00:53:48,910
We've got some.

743
00:53:50,310 --> 00:53:53,110
You want me to block the whole spot and do that?

744
00:53:53,110 --> 00:54:01,290
Because the thing with compact parking is there are some people that think that's a fluid definition

745
00:54:01,290 --> 00:54:07,630
compact vehicle. There are some people that think that a hummer is a compact vehicle. If you

746
00:54:07,630 --> 00:54:14,690
have been in a parking garage in the city, you'll see that somebody with a big old F350 might think

747
00:54:14,690 --> 00:54:21,950
it's a compact parking spot. But seriously, I mean it's your choice. I don't personally think

748
00:54:21,950 --> 00:54:26,090
We've got enough room that stick a compact spot, I think it's your cross hatchet off.

749
00:54:26,510 --> 00:54:31,910
Now, from a selfish standpoint, we have no motorcycle parking downtown.

750
00:54:33,770 --> 00:54:38,210
They put motorcycle parking spots in a place where they couldn't put car spots in Conway.

751
00:54:38,670 --> 00:54:43,450
If you haven't been to a Route 16 with a Metas, they have motorcycle parking stalls there.

752
00:54:43,810 --> 00:54:52,020
You could easily put three stalls for motorcycle parking and then make the rest of that, you

753
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:53,280
know, a no parking area.

754
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,840
That's what the motorcycles would be back to.

755
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,500
They'd be close to the parking space.

756
00:54:57,660 --> 00:54:58,140
That's a thought.

757
00:54:58,140 --> 00:54:59,720
Do you think that result will work?

758
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,780
Well, I can tell you that.

759
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,300
There are a lot of motorcycles of people

760
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:06,100
that frequent the Frog Rock and they go downtown.

761
00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:08,480
And I know the motorcycles would appreciate.

762
00:55:09,220 --> 00:55:10,300
Sounds like a happy.

763
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,600
So I mean, we could put three spots and three stalls.

764
00:55:13,780 --> 00:55:14,480
They now stalls.

765
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,200
And then the remainder would be cross-hats

766
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:18,920
so you can't park on the corner in the cross.

767
00:55:20,980 --> 00:55:22,760
I think Miss Lee would like you.

768
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,380
I'm going to try it.

769
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:25,600
Yes.

770
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:26,600
Okay.

771
00:55:29,540 --> 00:55:33,900
You all have to hook up with Lake Fruits just right thing and have them take care of it.

772
00:55:34,460 --> 00:55:35,500
Speaking of striping.

773
00:55:36,020 --> 00:55:36,220
Yeah.

774
00:55:36,260 --> 00:55:36,480
Yeah.

775
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:37,220
What do you got?

776
00:55:38,180 --> 00:55:41,460
You were going to put the white line or yellow line.

777
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:41,840
Yeah.

778
00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:43,740
In front of the island of Pleasant Street.

779
00:55:45,460 --> 00:55:47,400
And the state went and did all kinds of white lines.

780
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,080
They didn't do that one.

781
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:49,480
They didn't do that one.

782
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:50,420
I didn't do that one.

783
00:55:50,420 --> 00:55:57,040
I know. And it's quite often people coming out of thinking that's two lanes even though

784
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:03,100
those cones are there and suddenly they get stopped because they can't keep going as a

785
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:05,000
car in front of wanting to turn left.

786
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,600
And I was asked today, speaking of lines, we talked

787
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:19,620
once about some kind of a line on Main Street. And I couldn't answer because I, sorry, I sort

788
00:56:19,620 --> 00:56:26,500
It was a while ago that we discussed it, and I don't know what the end result answer was.

789
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:30,800
I've had this discussion with Mike Falle before, because I asked him why don't we snap

790
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:31,740
line down Main Street.

791
00:56:32,420 --> 00:56:39,020
The reason we don't is because of the parking conditions, and it would exacerbate our problems

792
00:56:39,020 --> 00:56:45,800
when larger vehicles park on Main Street, because you would hope, and this is the case,

793
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:50,520
a lot of people would then not want to go over the line and move around. Main streets now

794
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:56,800
are enough as it is. And unfortunately, because it's so narrow and especially, it starts

795
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,860
to, you know, it necks down and then widens out, so it'd be hard for us to establish

796
00:57:00,860 --> 00:57:06,600
a good line. I know I've discussed this with Mike and lengthen the past because, you know,

797
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:12,080
we line all these other streets. And it would especially be worse than the winter, so what's

798
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,200
not wait, what's not scraped off.

799
00:57:16,450 --> 00:57:16,770
Anything else?

800
00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:18,750
I have just one more thing.

801
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:22,750
Is there anything the fishing game to do

802
00:57:22,750 --> 00:57:24,870
to help us with this goose problem?

803
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:28,130
They just shoot 25 of them in the lake last night.

804
00:57:28,430 --> 00:57:31,030
They're absolutely destroying a park in front of the bank,

805
00:57:32,670 --> 00:57:34,690
and it's just, it's a horror show.

806
00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:37,650
A couple of years ago, we had U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service

807
00:57:37,650 --> 00:57:40,190
come in and tag the geese, and they've been read,

808
00:57:40,450 --> 00:57:42,070
they would come back and read the tags.

809
00:57:43,050 --> 00:57:47,290
And I haven't gotten an update from them, but it's on the federal side.

810
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:52,070
Fishing game at this point, the only thing they're going to help us do is apply for that federal permit

811
00:57:52,070 --> 00:57:56,530
that the marina did that got shot down because the same geese weren't returning.

812
00:57:58,130 --> 00:58:00,110
We've tried everything there, I know.

813
00:58:00,570 --> 00:58:02,650
And we even Liz Lappen gave us that tape.

814
00:58:03,150 --> 00:58:07,330
We put that tape up, and unfortunately the tape wasn't as effective.

815
00:58:08,030 --> 00:58:12,350
Apparently Liz raved about the tape and I was ever so hopeful that it was going to work

816
00:58:12,350 --> 00:58:16,570
but Paul or Stan all sent me pictures of day later of them sitting next to the grade

817
00:58:16,570 --> 00:58:21,850
stake with the tape blown around in the breeze so I don't know if we have smart ones, dumb ones

818
00:58:21,850 --> 00:58:30,830
or resilient ones, lots of them we have and we still on occasion, show them, clean it up, spray the stuff.

819
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:35,510
There's one solution, even though you're not a select person.

820
00:58:36,850 --> 00:58:43,070
I just have a comment about the parking on Main Street, which has been horrible since we moved

821
00:58:43,070 --> 00:58:49,470
here in 1980, and when my kids were learning how to drive, I kept them off Main Street if I was with them,

822
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:54,230
because that's when I found out that the road was too narrow for a yellow line.

823
00:58:54,230 --> 00:59:07,310
But in the 80s, I recall mentioning it and it didn't go over so well, but has any thought ever been given about making Main Street a true do the loop and making it one way in with parallel parking.

824
00:59:11,330 --> 00:59:16,250
Parallel, like Angle. Angle. Yeah, okay. That's what I thought.

825
00:59:16,250 --> 00:59:20,650
Not parallel. People don't know how to parallel park. Angle, diagonal park.

826
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:22,710
Angle installs, right? Yeah.

827
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:29,300
That predates me, so if somebody else has any institutional knowledge on that.

828
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:36,140
Well, I recall way back when I was the Director of the Main Street Program, that was a discussion we had.

829
00:59:37,460 --> 00:59:41,280
And I don't believe there was much enthusiasm.

830
00:59:41,820 --> 00:59:43,160
Support for that idea.

831
00:59:43,380 --> 00:59:44,480
I never went anywhere.

832
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,860
Is that the same time they discussed the water fountain?

833
00:59:51,020 --> 00:59:54,420
It's always just how in Ray we should put a water fountain in an older road.

834
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,840
I would picture my desk when I first got here.

835
00:59:57,980 --> 00:59:59,940
There was nothing else in my desk but a picture of a water.

836
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,920
And the plow in the wing down on the greater and the water fountain was three feet into the wing, not physically, but you could see where we couldn't plow mainstream.

837
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:21,660
Okay, any new business? Hearing none, we're going to all business, 18-32 skate park. I believe we have a representative.

838
01:00:26,410 --> 01:00:28,350
Push the button on there and the red light.

839
01:00:28,530 --> 01:00:29,110
I'll come on.

840
01:00:29,210 --> 01:00:29,630
Good evening.

841
01:00:30,550 --> 01:00:35,830
My name is Brendan Hart and I'm here today to talk about the renovation of the Glen Heart Memorial

842
01:00:35,830 --> 01:00:40,490
Skate Park and I have a few handouts that I'd like to give to the board.

843
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:41,370
That's all right.

844
01:00:41,550 --> 01:00:42,710
That we could go through together.

845
01:00:50,690 --> 01:00:51,190
The same boss.

846
01:00:52,450 --> 01:00:53,110
It's a party.

847
01:00:53,530 --> 01:00:54,230
We're having a lot of time.

848
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:55,470
Yeah.

849
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:56,990
Yeah.

850
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:59,450
I guess I had to believe they painted it.

851
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:34,050
I'm fine.

852
01:01:34,050 --> 01:01:36,950
I'm sorry the other day,

853
01:01:39,650 --> 01:01:42,550
but you want to use this instead because you're too tall, I think

854
01:01:42,550 --> 01:01:46,810
so you don't have to bend down a little bit. Just do me a favor and shut the other one off

855
01:01:46,810 --> 01:01:49,230
though because I don't get along well together.

856
01:01:54,500 --> 01:02:00,080
All right, so what I've created here is a document that is it's an overview of what our efforts

857
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:05,040
have been and what our future plans are for the Ben Hard Memorial Skate Park.

858
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:14,960
Just to give a brief recap, I started fundraising last year, and today we are at approximately $35,000 in funds.

859
01:02:15,860 --> 01:02:16,280
This has been raised.

860
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:20,920
They're online campaigning and as well fundraisers that we've posted in the town of America.

861
01:02:22,460 --> 01:02:30,780
So first, the handout starts out with the need for the renovated skate park.

862
01:02:30,780 --> 01:02:35,020
Um, the skate park was built in 2003, wooden parks like this.

863
01:02:35,140 --> 01:02:46,780
I've actually talked to Dave Wood, who was the, was one of the guys who helped build the original skate park and he told me average life span of what skate parks is 10 to 15 years, Meredith is over that now.

864
01:02:47,980 --> 01:02:59,440
Um, apparently, as the Board of Selectman, now the skate park has low attendance, and I don't attribute this to a lack of kids who would like to use it.

865
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:06,180
attribute this to the fact that the facility is dangerous, unsafe, and it's also not very

866
01:03:06,180 --> 01:03:10,740
entertaining to use, and I can say that for myself as someone who goes there regularly.

867
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:15,280
Well, you used to go there regularly. Now I drive up to Plymouth because it's a concrete

868
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,540
skate park and a lot better for skate orders.

869
01:03:19,580 --> 01:03:22,180
And this is a great time for Meredith,

870
01:03:22,340 --> 01:03:27,220
I have some renovation because local skate parks like Lakonia and Windham have recently

871
01:03:27,220 --> 01:03:30,780
shot their gates, they were built in the same fashion as the Meredith Skate Park around the

872
01:03:30,780 --> 01:03:36,620
same time. And over the years they just fall apart, no one wants to do anything to rebuild them.

873
01:03:37,380 --> 01:03:42,940
So I'm trying not to let that happen for the Skate Park in Meredith. And as well I'd like to

874
01:03:42,940 --> 01:03:48,140
bring to attention that with the new Hawkins Brook edition, there's going to be some, you know,

875
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:53,520
increased traffic to Prescott Park and it's a great time to invest in the betterment of Prescott

876
01:03:54,820 --> 01:03:59,540
As you can see in the first photo, that was taken maybe two months ago.

877
01:03:59,580 --> 01:04:03,220
That's a photo of my skateboard wheel with a screwhead sticking out of it.

878
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,320
I tell you, that's not the first time this is happening to me skateboarding there.

879
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:15,120
And there's also bikers who go there or used to go there because once you get a couple screws in your bicycle tire and pops, you don't want to go back.

880
01:04:16,660 --> 01:04:20,340
To show that there has been support in this from our community,

881
01:04:20,340 --> 01:04:23,840
We've had 125 individual online donations.

882
01:04:24,660 --> 01:04:28,100
750 signatures on an online petition,

883
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,040
550 of those are new Hampshire residents.

884
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,740
We've raised $15,000 from local fundraisers,

885
01:04:35,140 --> 01:04:37,680
and $5,000 donated from local contributors,

886
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,200
and then $15,000 donated from GoFundMe.

887
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,020
As well, I'd like to say that a lot of businesses,

888
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,300
local businesses have been involved with this

889
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:51,140
donating prizes that we've ruffled off in our fundraisers.

890
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:56,580
So the new plan, which is from our beginning of starting

891
01:04:56,580 --> 01:04:58,080
to fundraisers, our goal has always

892
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,360
been to rebuild in concrete.

893
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,640
My background as a skateboarder is growing up here,

894
01:05:02,740 --> 01:05:04,540
learning how to skateboard, and then continuing it

895
01:05:04,540 --> 01:05:05,260
through on my life.

896
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,820
I've lived in Southern California, like the mecca

897
01:05:07,820 --> 01:05:09,060
of concrete skate parks.

898
01:05:09,540 --> 01:05:13,020
I've worked a summer skateboard in snowboard camp in Oregon,

899
01:05:13,020 --> 01:05:24,220
And I have also traveled around the country and spent a different skate park so I feel I've acquired a bit of knowledge on the subject.

900
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:34,840
And what we'd like to do is take the current skate park, tear it down, and rebuild in concrete with a much smaller facility, but something that would fit the needs of our community.

901
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:41,840
You can see the first photo, that's the current skate park, and it's just jagged with

902
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:46,980
paint chips, and I tell you, like, falling on that, which does happen on skateboards as

903
01:05:46,980 --> 01:05:50,760
you know, if you're wearing shorts especially, I can do some serious damage.

904
01:05:52,220 --> 01:05:59,840
And then the next photo is a skate park in Bar Harbor main that was built in 2016 by

905
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:29,820
The local community was similar to this situation, was private fundraising, and it was built by pillar designs, and pillars business model goes, they find individuals, maybe like me, someone who's trying to build a skate park in their community, and they work with them to help write grants, to do fundraising, to communicate with the town, for all the building information that needs to happen, they're going to be the ones who provide all that information, and on the verge of signing a contract with pillar, so they'll be, who,

906
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,380
I'm working with in the future.

907
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:37,780
They have an amazing track record for building concrete skate parks across the United States.

908
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:45,880
And the reason they've choose concrete is because they don't dilapidate like ours did in 10 years.

909
01:06:47,060 --> 01:06:52,920
So it would be really nice if we can get that in Meredith for, you know, indefinitely for kids to enjoy.

910
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:58,980
And what this is asking from the town of Meredith is not funding.

911
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:04,260
It's just support and hands-on work.

912
01:07:05,100 --> 01:07:13,040
So the former skate park currently, I don't know many who wouldn't agree that it's not a liability right now.

913
01:07:13,860 --> 01:07:21,160
It's not safe to keep open and it's hard for me to say I want to close the park.

914
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:25,360
But I don't see any reason keeping it open at this point

915
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,260
because there's low attendance and it is truly dangerous.

916
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,640
So that site would need to be torn up and just

917
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,520
a space left for a new concrete skate park

918
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,180
that would be about a third of the size

919
01:07:37,180 --> 01:07:39,260
as the current skate park.

920
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,360
And how pillar goes about working with local towns

921
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,840
is to work with you guys to get in-kind donations

922
01:07:47,840 --> 01:08:06,520
specifically, this could be concrete receiving getting a local concrete producer to give a reduced price on every cubic yard of concrete, and that's something that they found most businesses are willing to do because it's a tax write off for them.

923
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:13,260
So yeah, then I go into the bar harbour skate park, which it was a $160,000 budget.

924
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:21,940
They received $85,000 in kind donations so they paid $75,000 for the skate park featured in the photo.

925
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:24,960
And I'd like for something to happen in Meredith.

926
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,320
We're not asking for, yeah, I know the Parks and Rec budget is limited.

927
01:08:29,900 --> 01:08:34,640
So what we're asking is just collaboration and support of this project in any way we can.

928
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:43,360
I'm open to advice, I'm open to council and I really would like to start working with the town to make this happen.

929
01:08:43,700 --> 01:08:46,660
So if you have any council questions, please let me know.

930
01:08:49,580 --> 01:08:54,380
I think I heard you correctly, Mr. Suggestion would be right now to close it down very.

931
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:55,080
Yes.

932
01:08:55,780 --> 01:08:56,640
Because of safety.

933
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:57,420
Yeah.

934
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,540
Okay, then the way I look at that, then that.

935
01:09:02,540 --> 01:09:08,640
It's a safety issue. It's a liability issue and that should be immediately done.

936
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,420
Yeah, I agree with that.

937
01:09:13,140 --> 01:09:20,200
I think all of us are aware the other end of that stick though when you shut something down.

938
01:09:20,820 --> 01:09:23,700
Does it get going again? That's what I worry about.

939
01:09:24,140 --> 01:09:30,460
Well, currently we have $35,000 in funds raised. We haven't received a single grant as of yet.

940
01:09:30,460 --> 01:09:34,140
I'm working with Bill House, who's a retired,

941
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:36,000
plymistate professor.

942
01:09:36,580 --> 01:09:38,540
He used to write grants for, you know,

943
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:40,960
during his whole career, he was writing grants for the university.

944
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:44,700
His son is a friend of mine and I grew up skateboarding with him,

945
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:50,480
so Bill is 100% on board to help find and write grants.

946
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,460
He's friends with a librarian at Plymouth,

947
01:09:52,740 --> 01:09:56,000
and they've been doing some searches to find grants for eligible for,

948
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,980
as well as pillar designs, once we're signed with them,

949
01:09:58,980 --> 01:10:01,180
They're going to start helping with that as well.

950
01:10:03,700 --> 01:10:06,620
Yeah, we're going to have a question about the size.

951
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:12,260
Our current facility and I realize it's not laid out efficiently.

952
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,620
But it's three times the size of this 4,000.

953
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,960
Plymouth is more than double it.

954
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,080
And that didn't seem excessive to me.

955
01:10:21,700 --> 01:10:24,300
It 4,000 square feet is going to be meaningful.

956
01:10:24,580 --> 01:10:29,700
Is it so small that I think it's from someone

957
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:33,840
who's seeing the bar harbour park and seeing the design of it.

958
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:39,360
I think it is all a question of design and pillar is able to build very,

959
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,980
like user-friendly skate parks that are smaller size.

960
01:10:43,140 --> 01:10:45,700
And as someone who uses climate skate park,

961
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,540
you know, every day when I was in school there,

962
01:10:49,980 --> 01:10:52,660
it's not much bigger than it would not be.

963
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,500
It may be the actual size of the,

964
01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:57,200
maybe that includes the parking lot or something,

965
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:02,020
but the actual size of it isn't, it's not much bigger than 4,000 feet.

966
01:11:03,460 --> 01:11:08,640
Well, I was quoting the, uh, the fenced in area is, is, that's also,

967
01:11:08,860 --> 01:11:11,900
Gives 10,000. She also has space that's not utilized.

968
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:19,520
Some, yeah, I mean, there's like a border of grass around it, but I, I didn't, I didn't measure the

969
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:25,600
concrete adventure question, but it's, uh, it's just short of 10,000 square feet, including the area

970
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,300
in from the fence, you know, we're part of it.

971
01:11:28,500 --> 01:11:31,420
Well, we should have to have anyway, I assume around the fence, but.

972
01:11:31,580 --> 01:11:37,720
Um, just from seeing the bar harborscape park and the positive feedback from the skate park

973
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,680
and that community, it looks like it's been sufficient for them.

974
01:11:40,860 --> 01:11:45,240
And Meredith, you know, it's not a huge, we're not a huge family.

975
01:11:45,620 --> 01:11:51,720
So, I would agree that if we were in, yeah, if we were in a city, it's way too small, but I think

976
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,260
for the Meredith community, it's perfect.

977
01:11:59,470 --> 01:12:00,970
So, thank you for the presentation.

978
01:12:03,090 --> 01:12:06,370
I think it's always good to get young people out

979
01:12:06,910 --> 01:12:09,810
and not looking at their devices,

980
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:12,710
so I'm off for a exercise.

981
01:12:15,980 --> 01:12:18,980
You said that the size would be appropriate

982
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:21,540
for Meredith.

983
01:12:22,060 --> 01:12:26,800
So, what is the number, what is the population

984
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:37,440
that's going to use this skate park you said that 750 signatures on a petition 550 were

985
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:43,220
new Hampshire residents of those 550 New Hampshire residents, how many were merit

986
01:12:43,220 --> 01:12:48,320
residents. I'm trying to get a sense of what is the population that's going to use this

987
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:54,540
skate park. So I can I'll be able to clarify that better with I'm going to be starting a

988
01:12:54,540 --> 01:13:03,200
a tangible petition as well, but only for Meredith residents, but it's open to anyone.

989
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:05,660
It's within walking distance from the high school.

990
01:13:05,820 --> 01:13:11,460
When I was a kid, there used to be a pilgrimage of us who would go down to the skate park

991
01:13:11,460 --> 01:13:15,740
just through the woods, through the trails, and spend the rest of the day there.

992
01:13:16,260 --> 01:13:22,300
So from someone who grew up in going down the lakes and using the skate park, I know it was

993
01:13:22,300 --> 01:13:28,920
and I was a kid and I know there will be useful in this bill.

994
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:30,520
I'll have a question.

995
01:13:31,740 --> 01:13:33,380
Just follow up question.

996
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:35,460
Yes, I have one.

997
01:13:36,180 --> 01:13:37,220
No, no.

998
01:13:38,620 --> 01:13:39,680
I think I'm in the Senate.

999
01:13:43,140 --> 01:13:45,000
So I know I'm sorry.

1000
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:46,920
Okay.

1001
01:13:46,920 --> 01:14:08,430
So, what I heard you say was that you're not looking for any funding from the town that you're going to do all the fundraising and all you're looking for from the town is support and that the funds that you raise for this would be,

1002
01:14:08,430 --> 01:14:12,770
Would you say a tax deduction for businesses?

1003
01:14:13,790 --> 01:14:17,730
Only for, like, the material donations.

1004
01:14:19,490 --> 01:14:21,710
So are you a 501C3? That's what I was-

1005
01:14:21,710 --> 01:14:22,390
Yes, we are.

1006
01:14:22,470 --> 01:14:22,910
Oh, you are.

1007
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:25,630
We're the friends of Meredith Parks and Recreation.

1008
01:14:26,130 --> 01:14:26,330
Oh, yes.

1009
01:14:26,330 --> 01:14:27,230
As our fiscal agent.

1010
01:14:28,170 --> 01:14:29,330
Okay, great. Thank you.

1011
01:14:29,670 --> 01:14:30,310
Mr. Chairman.

1012
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:31,870
Yes, Phil.

1013
01:14:32,530 --> 01:14:33,710
And a spirit of full disclosure,

1014
01:14:34,130 --> 01:14:35,870
I already committed the town about it.

1015
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:40,590
When we met with Brendan, I said that when we get to the point where we have to clear

1016
01:14:40,590 --> 01:14:47,990
off the structures and clear off the pavement, we'd the town be happy to do that.

1017
01:14:49,210 --> 01:14:52,970
It's clear off the structures that are there today, and then peel the pavement off so

1018
01:14:52,970 --> 01:14:54,230
it'd be ready for.

1019
01:14:54,910 --> 01:14:59,110
Was it fence we talked about, about peeling the fence back so they could get in the

1020
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:59,970
work. Yeah.

1021
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:18,480
If we get to that point. So that's the peace I was willing to commit because that's not a, you know, for us, that's not a significant issue but it can be for anybody going in there because disposing of it could be a problem as we just talked about revenues for construction degree.

1022
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:25,420
I'm not worried about permanent closure of the skate park because we already have $35,000 that's ours right now.

1023
01:15:26,180 --> 01:15:32,480
And that's enough to build with a little bit more money which I'm going to be continuing hosting fundraisers.

1024
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:37,400
And we could at least build a whole one piece of a skate park.

1025
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:41,540
That's not ideal because that does limit the amount of people that can use it.

1026
01:15:42,620 --> 01:15:44,420
But just so there would be something there.

1027
01:15:45,660 --> 01:15:54,820
If something grants don't work out or something like that, we will have enough money to build something there that people can use.

1028
01:15:56,260 --> 01:16:03,620
My question is, I looked at the other day, and I couldn't decide whether those plywood

1029
01:16:03,620 --> 01:16:09,780
have a skim coat of some kind of metal on it, and there's layers and layers and layers

1030
01:16:09,780 --> 01:16:15,760
of some kind of paint that's, yes, all chipping off and causing horrendous mess.

1031
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,260
Am I correct in how that's built?

1032
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:19,100
Yeah.

1033
01:16:19,420 --> 01:16:21,580
It's not just with sheet metal on top of it.

1034
01:16:21,580 --> 01:16:31,800
So if you spent $6,000 in sandblasted that paid off but you had a nice surface again is some of this

1035
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,500
usable for a while longer while you continue to raise money.

1036
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:41,940
I wouldn't see any point in spending funds on that because I don't think people would show up to use it in that case because the

1037
01:16:41,940 --> 01:16:48,000
The pavement is pretty, yeah, I'm going to come from someone who scapeots.

1038
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,540
There was a couple of cracks, I will not disagree with you that I don't.

1039
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:52,420
This is why.

1040
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:59,580
It's not just the cracks, it's the fact that it's not concrete, it's bumpy, it's also

1041
01:16:59,580 --> 01:17:05,620
the cracks are filled with rubber sealant, which it's like goo when you ride in it, and

1042
01:17:05,620 --> 01:17:08,160
then it's six year wheels, and it actually ruins your equipment.

1043
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:14,340
And that is why why put money on ramps that are like the structures are already so

1044
01:17:14,340 --> 01:17:14,820
aged.

1045
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:20,460
That's why I don't see the point in that.

1046
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:21,760
Just a thought.

1047
01:17:22,140 --> 01:17:22,820
Chair.

1048
01:17:23,500 --> 01:17:24,300
Any other questions?

1049
01:17:25,340 --> 01:17:28,960
I'm going to come back to Katie's question on utilization.

1050
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,420
The number of people.

1051
01:17:31,420 --> 01:17:41,000
I know from the international association of skateboard companies is that Tony Hawk's foundation group.

1052
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:51,420
They would lead you to believe that we'd be somewhere between maybe two, possibly three dozen people as skateboard users there.

1053
01:17:51,420 --> 01:17:56,420
But we want to help, I think it would answer that.

1054
01:17:58,620 --> 01:18:02,500
It's a multi-use facility, so it's for Rolibladers.

1055
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:03,380
It's for scooters.

1056
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,940
And it kills me to say this, because it's a skateboarder.

1057
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,000
Now, like, scooterings become the new thing.

1058
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:10,420
But it's the same facility.

1059
01:18:10,820 --> 01:18:11,060
It's a skate park.

1060
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:12,800
It's where scooters go as well.

1061
01:18:13,540 --> 01:18:14,520
It's a multi-use.

1062
01:18:14,900 --> 01:18:19,460
So, you might get 10 scooters, 10 scooters,

1063
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:25,700
It's, I know doubt that it would be used every day for local kids.

1064
01:18:28,450 --> 01:18:33,390
Brendan, I've heard you say it through three times you're looking for the town support,

1065
01:18:33,650 --> 01:18:37,150
but I don't ever remember a time when anybody in the town has not offered support.

1066
01:18:37,850 --> 01:18:44,570
I think what we've asked you for is a plan which is much better in paper than the one thing that you just gave us.

1067
01:18:44,930 --> 01:18:48,510
Now, it's safe to say you're raising the money and you're taking on quite a task.

1068
01:18:48,510 --> 01:18:59,170
And we'll ask again, you have anybody that can help you on the ground because you're off and you're still going to fundraise, but it seems to me you would need somebody to help

1069
01:18:59,170 --> 01:19:02,350
coordinate, you know, the other end of things.

1070
01:19:03,150 --> 01:19:07,670
That's a help put the plan together that we can come back and we all can get together, so we know how to help you.

1071
01:19:07,750 --> 01:19:12,750
I guess part of the problem is as a town on the select board, we don't know how to help you.

1072
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:13,710
This gets us closer.

1073
01:19:14,110 --> 01:19:15,350
Yes, much closer.

1074
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:22,450
Yeah, and I realized there's been miscommunication between us, and this is why I'm hoping to make things as clear as possible right now.

1075
01:19:23,390 --> 01:19:27,290
So with hiring pillar designs, they're going to take care of, you know, I'm not a builder.

1076
01:19:28,510 --> 01:19:30,550
I can't, I can't, I understand what you're doing.

1077
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:32,030
You got to put the pieces in the right.

1078
01:19:32,370 --> 01:19:36,250
Like if we were going to do like the highway department, you put together a committee.

1079
01:19:36,770 --> 01:19:39,230
They do the studies, they come up with a plan, they present the plan.

1080
01:19:39,690 --> 01:19:43,510
We can't work and approve something, we don't know what to do with.

1081
01:19:43,510 --> 01:19:44,770
We've got some good numbers.

1082
01:19:45,150 --> 01:19:49,130
Although, like Gray said, we're hearing that escape act.

1083
01:19:49,330 --> 01:19:51,650
You might as well figure average of 45 dollars

1084
01:19:51,650 --> 01:19:52,890
of square foot to build one.

1085
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:56,190
If you can keep it at 4,000, and that handles the need.

1086
01:19:56,290 --> 01:19:59,890
And we also know that the pre-formed concrete structures

1087
01:19:59,890 --> 01:20:01,350
aren't as well as the built in.

1088
01:20:02,230 --> 01:20:05,870
So all those things that we're working on with our research,

1089
01:20:06,290 --> 01:20:09,970
I guess my point is, is someone on this other end.

1090
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:12,990
So people would help us help you at the same time.

1091
01:20:12,990 --> 01:20:16,550
with hiring pillar designs, that's why I'm hiring them.

1092
01:20:16,590 --> 01:20:18,770
They're going to their team, specifically,

1093
01:20:18,950 --> 01:20:19,850
they'll be one representative

1094
01:20:19,850 --> 01:20:22,830
and who's going to give all that information.

1095
01:20:23,530 --> 01:20:25,390
And then I'm going back to school,

1096
01:20:26,090 --> 01:20:28,110
but while I'm away, Pete Thorndike is going

1097
01:20:28,110 --> 01:20:31,390
to be communicating with pillar and working

1098
01:20:31,390 --> 01:20:35,730
with the town to keep everyone in the loop.

1099
01:20:36,610 --> 01:20:37,290
This is Shannon.

1100
01:20:37,630 --> 01:20:39,250
If I could, this might help out a little bit.

1101
01:20:39,290 --> 01:20:39,550
Sure.

1102
01:20:40,210 --> 01:20:45,490
You say pillar design and I think that's the folks here I think in like an architect design.

1103
01:20:46,010 --> 01:20:51,690
They also do that fundraising negotiation piece for the reduced concrete that you talked about, correct?

1104
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:54,990
Yes, they handle things like that and they work directly with the Tony Hawk Foundation.

1105
01:20:55,250 --> 01:20:59,870
So they do the whole management as well as design construction and installation.

1106
01:20:59,870 --> 01:21:10,210
Yeah, and then they work with hand-in-hand with a construction company he's going to just built the new there's a new skate park in Nashville that's like immaculate

1107
01:21:10,210 --> 01:21:19,530
I think that one's like half a million dollars, but so there builders built that one so they will work with this one builders who's just like they're just the best for skate parks

1108
01:21:19,530 --> 01:21:27,450
And they've worked a lot in the East Coast and know that you know how to put concrete in the East Coast climate so that it will be effective in

1109
01:21:29,230 --> 01:21:33,050
Yeah, they're very good, is that a professional designer, a professional installer?

1110
01:21:33,610 --> 01:21:38,530
Yeah, that's what I was just asking for clarification, just because I know people

1111
01:21:38,530 --> 01:21:42,870
here in designs and you think in all of it, like an architect, from what I saw there are a lot more.

1112
01:21:43,130 --> 01:21:47,350
Second question, which if we can get everybody that comes before you to answer this,

1113
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:49,170
concisely, what do you want us to do?

1114
01:21:50,650 --> 01:21:55,070
So the beginning of that would be closing the current skate park and immediately.

1115
01:21:55,070 --> 01:22:00,410
Yeah, it can happen immediately and then getting the ramps out of there if possible

1116
01:22:00,410 --> 01:22:04,170
I know you mentioned a concern about erosion getting the pavement up as well

1117
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:10,430
But just so when we have our funds ready and we're ready to install the concrete

1118
01:22:10,430 --> 01:22:12,530
We won't run into any other hurdles

1119
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:17,910
Okay, we did have a discussion about that and I did say that if we were going to close it and remove the ramps

1120
01:22:19,010 --> 01:22:24,670
I wouldn't peel the pavement up of course till they're ready to go because then you're going to get erosion of the subsurface commission conditions

1121
01:22:25,070 --> 01:22:29,510
So, look, that shouldn't be a problem, but we'd still, you know,

1122
01:22:29,610 --> 01:22:31,350
pale it up when it comes time for construction.

1123
01:22:32,910 --> 01:22:35,530
Mr. Chairman, I think, Finn, let's get some, I know.

1124
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:37,850
I'm just waiting for him to finish.

1125
01:22:38,490 --> 01:22:38,710
Maybe.

1126
01:22:39,090 --> 01:22:44,290
Well, I think we're welcome to speak as well, and, yeah, so the other two

1127
01:22:44,290 --> 01:22:48,330
handouts I have is a more in-depth summary of the Bar Harbor.

1128
01:22:48,450 --> 01:22:54,530
This is from Pillar Designs, and then the last is our proposed budget for the

1129
01:22:54,530 --> 01:23:01,650
are just outlining some of the grants available. Bill House said through looking at the

1130
01:23:01,650 --> 01:23:08,710
state database for nonprofits that he's we're eligible for over a hundred grants.

1131
01:23:09,810 --> 01:23:13,590
So he's retired from the state employee. He used to write grants and he's all of

1132
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:17,650
this and he just couldn't have a better person right now on his side. He's just dying to

1133
01:23:17,650 --> 01:23:21,950
like, he just says he has too much time on his hands and he wants to help. So we're excited

1134
01:23:21,950 --> 01:23:23,570
Thank you.

1135
01:23:23,930 --> 01:23:25,530
Would you like to say something?

1136
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:37,850
I think as Brendan knows, and it's sometimes difficult for me on this topic.

1137
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:44,770
I'm very, very personally and emotionally involved with the state park having done the one who originally

1138
01:23:44,770 --> 01:23:50,810
research and coordinated the original bill that we now are talking about.

1139
01:23:51,290 --> 01:23:55,690
I agree 1,000 percent, and I know I've shared this with Brendan before.

1140
01:23:55,690 --> 01:24:05,570
He is 100% right that the long-term goal without question is to build a completely new out of concrete.

1141
01:24:06,130 --> 01:24:10,350
And as you recall, when I presented the Master of 15-year Master Plan for the Department,

1142
01:24:10,490 --> 01:24:18,130
I included a section about the skate park to have this very discussion on how should we plan for the future.

1143
01:24:18,130 --> 01:24:24,930
The only part that I'm a little bit confused about and I'll try to be real brief when we

1144
01:24:24,930 --> 01:24:30,610
last discussed this to plan for the budget process going into the 2018 season.

1145
01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:36,610
The direction that the Board of Select and Gave at that time was we had very specific

1146
01:24:36,610 --> 01:24:48,110
repair plans for the skate park and we were going to stay open without supervision for the

1147
01:24:48,110 --> 01:24:54,990
So we budget it, all of us planned, and we budget it to do and make the repairs that for the conditions

1148
01:24:54,990 --> 01:24:55,910
that we're going to describe.

1149
01:24:56,650 --> 01:25:04,390
We were going to see in the last repaint and filicracks properly with materials that would

1150
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:09,370
provide that safe transition of firms move, not rubber, but asphalt.

1151
01:25:10,010 --> 01:25:17,730
And I've been assured by our local contractor that we have spoken with about the cracks that he can do that.

1152
01:25:17,730 --> 01:25:27,010
The only reason that we haven't done the ramps yet is it's a terrible problem we've had over the past year and a half in general.

1153
01:25:28,110 --> 01:25:35,650
When we go out to bid for projects, it takes us sometimes as many as three rounds to even get someone to apply.

1154
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:38,190
And I think Phil can attest to that.

1155
01:25:38,650 --> 01:25:40,650
And that's what occurred on the sandblasting.

1156
01:25:40,650 --> 01:25:49,430
We've now secured someone, we have someone in place in line ready to be scheduled and fill

1157
01:25:49,430 --> 01:25:54,650
it as me to delay that until we had this discussion here in make a final decision.

1158
01:25:55,510 --> 01:26:01,550
The only thing that I'm concerned about, I fully, like I said, support long-term concrete

1159
01:26:01,550 --> 01:26:09,490
repair. I'm sorry, new install. But I would like those folks to be able to continue

1160
01:26:09,490 --> 01:26:16,670
to enjoy the skate park. While we hopefully raise funds as a community and get to that

1161
01:26:16,670 --> 01:26:22,670
point, which obviously we've all done fundraising. You can't always guarantee how quickly

1162
01:26:22,670 --> 01:26:29,430
you can do that. And I also would like to carry out the plan that we all agree to as a budget

1163
01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:36,310
I don't over the next two years, so that's, I think we're, we're actually a little that.

1164
01:26:36,750 --> 01:26:37,430
Thank you.

1165
01:26:38,190 --> 01:26:38,790
Mr. Chairman.

1166
01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:40,030
I just, I have a question.

1167
01:26:40,030 --> 01:26:40,650
Yes, Phil.

1168
01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:41,410
No, Jamie.

1169
01:26:42,250 --> 01:26:42,930
Go ahead.

1170
01:26:43,150 --> 01:26:44,310
No fighting here.

1171
01:26:44,370 --> 01:26:44,530
Sorry.

1172
01:26:44,890 --> 01:26:46,910
Well, I have one comment to make about it for you.

1173
01:26:46,910 --> 01:26:48,390
And then hang on one second.

1174
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:51,310
I just want to ask Vent a question.

1175
01:26:55,840 --> 01:27:02,380
So Vent, you said that the agreement from the Slack board was to make the repair so that

1176
01:27:02,380 --> 01:27:07,900
They could be continued being used and goes back to the question I asked for Brendan to Brendan

1177
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:17,580
How many people are waiting right now to use escape park because it's in disrepair? Are you getting calls? Are you getting requests?

1178
01:27:18,140 --> 01:27:20,980
Is there I'm trying to understand the need?

1179
01:27:24,020 --> 01:27:31,860
I really hope that we can like I said consider I think there is a need are the numbers lower today it over the past two to three years

1180
01:27:31,860 --> 01:27:38,960
then they used to be and it's heyday certainly there's no doubt I think the lower numbers may have

1181
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:46,540
started a little bit before the conditions started to deteriorate and we as you may or may not recall

1182
01:27:46,540 --> 01:27:54,480
2010 in 2012 the department we see the real major cuts of the budget so we weren't able to do

1183
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:59,720
just made those annual repairs that we used to try to and that led to the conditions getting lower

1184
01:28:02,100 --> 01:28:08,180
I certainly believe that if we were able to renovate, including the repairs that I described,

1185
01:28:08,820 --> 01:28:15,620
I think would certainly generate new life, certainly make them safer, and I think attract more usage.

1186
01:28:16,260 --> 01:28:18,860
The usage today is low. Yes.

1187
01:28:19,480 --> 01:28:24,460
But I think there is a need because the kids deserve, not just kids.

1188
01:28:24,940 --> 01:28:29,000
We have many users who are in, you know, in their 20s and 30s.

1189
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:36,520
Obviously kids as well, kids need to be given as many opportunities to exercise and get outdoors and do those things.

1190
01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:41,320
And I think I would really hope we could continue to support the skate park.

1191
01:28:41,340 --> 01:28:42,160
I think it's needed.

1192
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:45,900
Is anyone using, I went over there today and looked at it.

1193
01:28:46,060 --> 01:28:47,800
It does look bad.

1194
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:50,440
Is anyone using it now in the current condition?

1195
01:28:51,140 --> 01:28:53,000
The numbers are a little off you.

1196
01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:58,480
You know, we'll get, we'll randomly check in them, obviously, we're not supervising any more.

1197
01:28:58,620 --> 01:29:04,320
So we may have staff there, but I've instructed our staff to record and I do the same thing.

1198
01:29:04,460 --> 01:29:08,580
I tried to check it a couple, three times a day and also in the evenings.

1199
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,920
I've been down there, and we've had five or six people down there.

1200
01:29:12,980 --> 01:29:16,080
I've had times where I have where there was no one there.

1201
01:29:16,540 --> 01:29:18,080
Typically, those are on the hotter days.

1202
01:29:18,140 --> 01:29:21,020
Obviously, months of July, we had a lot of hot weather.

1203
01:29:21,860 --> 01:29:26,820
numbers can be lowered due to the weather too, but you asked me, do I think it's needed?

1204
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:28,280
I really do.

1205
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:28,620
Okay.

1206
01:29:32,530 --> 01:29:32,550
Bill?

1207
01:29:33,190 --> 01:29:33,790
Mr. Chairman.

1208
01:29:34,890 --> 01:29:35,110
Why?

1209
01:29:35,210 --> 01:29:37,570
I agree within 100% that it's needed.

1210
01:29:39,150 --> 01:29:44,850
And just to be clear, we have statutory liability immunity for the user recreational facilities,

1211
01:29:44,990 --> 01:29:46,670
which is RSA-21234.

1212
01:29:47,190 --> 01:29:53,430
So if something were to happen down there, we're technically not responsible for it.

1213
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:59,970
My concern becomes after the meeting that I had with Brendan and that, you know, he's, I don't want to say that.

1214
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,420
Speaker, what it uses is the park. My concern is that someone who uses the park has now told us

1215
01:30:05,420 --> 01:30:12,580
it's dangerous and unsafe and has stated reasons why. Our say, 21234, be damned. If somebody

1216
01:30:12,580 --> 01:30:17,580
tells me that, as I did when I emailed you folks, I have duty to bring that to your attention.

1217
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:22,720
And while I agree with you, then 100 percent that we have to do something for the kids, and we

1218
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:27,280
have to present all the opportunities that we can. We have to do it in the safe and effective manner.

1219
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:33,280
And if that's the case, if it's in that bad of shape, I would recommend that you close it.

1220
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:39,780
I mean, I know nobody, you know, I also, you know, you folks will tell them the three times I told you in that meeting.

1221
01:30:40,180 --> 01:30:41,760
Maybe that's not the way you want to go.

1222
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,960
But, you know, they did feel strongly about it that it's unsafe.

1223
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:57,240
I mean, when I was about a hundred pounds lighter, I was able, I don't know.

1224
01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:04,720
I have no subject matter knowledge today, but if we're being told that, I would highly recommend that you consider that decision.

1225
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:08,820
Well, so let me ask Vent a question again, then based on what you just said.

1226
01:31:08,820 --> 01:31:09,920
You may ask Vent a question.

1227
01:31:10,380 --> 01:31:11,200
Okay, thank you.

1228
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:12,080
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1229
01:31:12,580 --> 01:31:13,250
I appreciate that.

1230
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:14,410
I like it.

1231
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:20,640
So, you said the select board agreed to this plan.

1232
01:31:21,140 --> 01:31:23,640
You said the money's budgeted.

1233
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:26,740
We're hearing that they want to shut it down because it's unsafe.

1234
01:31:27,660 --> 01:31:33,200
What is in your plan to fix it to the point where you believe it's not unsafe?

1235
01:31:34,060 --> 01:31:40,660
So are you planning to prepare us to shut it down for a day or two and do the work that needs to be done?

1236
01:31:45,020 --> 01:31:51,200
So I hear what Brendan is saying, which is that it's unsafe, but it's unsafe now.

1237
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:55,420
and there was already a plan in place to make improvements,

1238
01:31:55,700 --> 01:31:58,360
which would then render it not unsafe.

1239
01:32:00,420 --> 01:32:01,140
That's not.

1240
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:02,800
We would, both.

1241
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:05,760
To answer Gene's question, certainly we would have to close,

1242
01:32:05,900 --> 01:32:08,060
we would advertise and close, you know,

1243
01:32:08,180 --> 01:32:10,060
let the community know that we're close for maintenance,

1244
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:11,620
to do those repairs.

1245
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:12,080
Right.

1246
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:13,460
And then we open, right.

1247
01:32:13,860 --> 01:32:16,600
We open two week period roughly.

1248
01:32:18,140 --> 01:32:18,780
Mr. Chairman.

1249
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:19,780
Yes, Phil.

1250
01:32:19,780 --> 01:32:24,540
That's not, and we can't make that with the technology completely safe.

1251
01:32:24,980 --> 01:32:26,580
The screws are still going to come out.

1252
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:28,160
The surface is still uneven.

1253
01:32:29,140 --> 01:32:30,380
So that's something to consider.

1254
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:34,920
I'm not saying it's the old thing, but we can sandblast the metal.

1255
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:39,500
We can patch the stuff, but the way of that construction that it's still.

1256
01:32:39,900 --> 01:32:41,120
That thing's going to come apart.

1257
01:32:41,340 --> 01:32:41,820
It's old.

1258
01:32:42,420 --> 01:32:44,420
And I can testify to that.

1259
01:32:44,660 --> 01:32:47,260
There was sandblasting that happened on there recently.

1260
01:32:47,260 --> 01:32:54,320
One ramp was done and it did improve the condition. Yes, it did it make the ramp completely safe. No

1261
01:32:55,860 --> 01:33:00,760
There's currently the sheet metal on top of it is on the sheets are uneven. They don't link up

1262
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:05,480
So riding over it bend down screws stick up and as a skateboard

1263
01:33:05,480 --> 01:33:09,940
I find it's really difficult the skate so we it's not fun and

1264
01:33:10,500 --> 01:33:14,540
It's still not 100% safe and it's only going to deteriorate again up

1265
01:33:14,540 --> 01:33:26,800
which is why I've found it futile to put expenses into that park at this point when we're desperately raising money every dollar counts into the new concrete skate park.

1266
01:33:30,180 --> 01:33:41,100
If we were to shut this back down and you continued to run or try and raise money, what's your long term thinking of when this might be redeveloped?

1267
01:33:43,100 --> 01:33:49,720
Summer 2019, grant writing teams going to be very busy, including me as well, getting my hands

1268
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:56,620
very in that field, and I think we're going to have a lot of success, success, because of

1269
01:33:56,620 --> 01:34:03,000
how tenacious we'll be, and if that proves to be so, in the summer and the skate park is,

1270
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:07,060
you guys have done demolition, and we're ready to go, and we could have a skate park there

1271
01:34:07,060 --> 01:34:09,040
by Fall 2019.

1272
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:10,380
Mr. Chairman.

1273
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:11,420
Yes, Phil.

1274
01:34:11,460 --> 01:34:12,900
How long is the construction cycle, Brendan?

1275
01:34:13,740 --> 01:34:16,160
How long it takes to build a couple of months.

1276
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:18,920
Thank you.

1277
01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:20,020
Mr. Chairman?

1278
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:21,240
Yes, Jane.

1279
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:22,060
Thank you.

1280
01:34:22,660 --> 01:34:28,120
So what, let's say this happens, you raise the money,

1281
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:29,860
you rebuild the park.

1282
01:34:31,380 --> 01:34:35,080
What are the ongoing maintenance costs

1283
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,380
And how does that get funded?

1284
01:34:38,100 --> 01:34:41,540
So that what happened this time doesn't happen next time.

1285
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:45,660
So what would happen with concrete is impossible to happen?

1286
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,120
It's not, it's just because it's such a different material,

1287
01:34:49,260 --> 01:34:51,620
and you have such a different skate park, it's hard to compare the tube.

1288
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,340
You don't have the same, you don't have screws,

1289
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:58,080
you don't have paint, you don't have a sheet metal.

1290
01:34:58,940 --> 01:35:01,740
So the type of maintenance that would have to happen over the years is,

1291
01:35:01,740 --> 01:35:04,000
you know, if 10 years down the line,

1292
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:06,680
There's a cracks somewhere with concrete.

1293
01:35:07,020 --> 01:35:08,000
That's not a big issue.

1294
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:12,480
You can put more concrete in there, smooth it out.

1295
01:35:13,140 --> 01:35:16,140
For example, the earliest skate parks that are concrete were built

1296
01:35:16,140 --> 01:35:18,620
in the 1970s, and they're still in use today.

1297
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:22,080
They have had maintenance over the years, but it's minimal.

1298
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:24,780
And fundraising, yeah.

1299
01:35:25,740 --> 01:35:28,100
So you put private fundraising code you

1300
01:35:28,100 --> 01:35:29,980
happen to if there needs to be repairs.

1301
01:35:29,980 --> 01:35:33,760
do that if it's a couple hundred dollars that's not a big issue.

1302
01:35:36,340 --> 01:35:41,300
My point would be I think I agree with you that having looked at the condition of it

1303
01:35:41,300 --> 01:35:47,480
the size of the cracks and the texture of the pavement that I'm not against you recommending

1304
01:35:47,480 --> 01:35:48,880
closing my thing down.

1305
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:56,060
My other thought is also we put money in and it's budget to repair this that there are many

1306
01:35:56,060 --> 01:36:00,940
other things that it could be used for this particular year besides the skateboard park.

1307
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:07,940
whether this causes a hate and discontent for a year among young people that don't have a skatewood park

1308
01:36:09,220 --> 01:36:11,820
but it would give them something to look forward to in the future.

1309
01:36:18,060 --> 01:36:24,440
Well, if the skate park is closed and our plan is to rebuild in 2019,

1310
01:36:25,340 --> 01:36:28,540
we can't use it in the winter anyways, so there's not going to be that much discontent

1311
01:36:28,540 --> 01:36:38,160
And if there is, I invite any young person who is just satisfied to, you know, reach out to me, reach out to you guys and get involved with this project.

1312
01:36:39,060 --> 01:36:39,580
Mr. Chairman?

1313
01:36:40,440 --> 01:36:40,640
Yes.

1314
01:36:40,860 --> 01:36:45,200
I think if I remember correctly when we met, you said there was one person and you mentioned them by.

1315
01:36:45,480 --> 01:36:47,140
So you didn't think that there was a lot.

1316
01:36:47,780 --> 01:36:48,740
There was going to be a lot.

1317
01:36:48,740 --> 01:36:53,280
Sometimes I've gone down, which will be either like after I get out of work so later at night or something.

1318
01:36:53,820 --> 01:36:56,600
Just one kid who consistently goes there.

1319
01:36:56,600 --> 01:37:07,940
I'm sure there's others who go from time to time, but it's just you didn't expect that you were going to hear a large group that was going to come before this group and say, you know, the Selectman and say, hey, why do you do that?

1320
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:24,380
There's going to be some people who are discontent, but this is preventative. We're doing this to provide a scape, a long lasting scape in the future, and if they are discontent, I would invite them to join our effort and help fund raise.

1321
01:37:25,740 --> 01:37:35,440
As in, this content or notice content, this game park, it can't last much longer than it is right now.

1322
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:42,360
So you might as well try to renovate it before, you know, instead of just letting it stay open a few more years,

1323
01:37:43,060 --> 01:37:46,660
and then coming to a point where it closes and no one's done anything.

1324
01:37:49,060 --> 01:37:52,620
You have another question for you, Brendan.

1325
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:57,280
I'd just like to make sure I understand the in-kind support.

1326
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:02,200
Obviously, we would be providing the location for it.

1327
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:06,240
And you mentioned the demolition, removing what's there now.

1328
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:09,900
And I assume that includes the asphalt surface, et cetera.

1329
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:14,360
What else are you looking for the town to do to help with the construction of this?

1330
01:38:14,660 --> 01:38:16,800
I can't say specifically up this moment,

1331
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:29,380
but after I signed with Pillar, they're going to be contacting you and they can let you know exactly what would be the most efficient way to give them help in that sort of incondonations.

1332
01:38:31,580 --> 01:38:33,100
Mr. Chair? Yes.

1333
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:33,500
Yes.

1334
01:38:33,500 --> 01:38:34,660
There's a question for Phil.

1335
01:38:39,110 --> 01:38:47,310
Sounds like, and I would donate my time personally to be a part of this to help you, but kind of like I could work with them on a personal basis.

1336
01:38:47,310 --> 01:38:52,270
So we know what the plans are, so we know, because right now we've got a young man who's

1337
01:38:52,270 --> 01:38:56,890
very passionate, trying to put this all together, but how are we going to know how the

1338
01:38:56,890 --> 01:39:00,670
fundraiser's going, how do we keep track of it and all that stuff?

1339
01:39:01,230 --> 01:39:06,070
Well, it sounds to me like, and Brendan, you can correct me from wrong, it sounds to me like,

1340
01:39:06,090 --> 01:39:12,650
you're going to come back to us sometime next spring, maybe winter and say, okay, here's

1341
01:39:12,650 --> 01:39:16,430
where we are, I've been gauge this firm, pillar design,

1342
01:39:17,490 --> 01:39:19,550
they've lined up what we need to do,

1343
01:39:20,010 --> 01:39:23,450
and then they might, let's say before,

1344
01:39:23,630 --> 01:39:25,890
then get in contact with us about any kind for the town.

1345
01:39:26,270 --> 01:39:29,650
Yeah, at pillar, as being myself, one person,

1346
01:39:30,710 --> 01:39:32,090
when I talk to pillar, they're like, yes,

1347
01:39:32,190 --> 01:39:33,870
we're going to be able to take a lot of that stress

1348
01:39:33,870 --> 01:39:37,630
off your shoulders because that's type of thing that they can do as well.

1349
01:39:37,830 --> 01:39:39,930
I mean, with the private fundraising,

1350
01:39:39,930 --> 01:39:50,870
I mean, that's something that all, all have to keep you guys updated with, but as far as the grants and everything else goes, that pillar can provide a report for you.

1351
01:39:51,290 --> 01:39:52,470
Mr. Chairman, one of the things?

1352
01:39:53,990 --> 01:39:54,250
Yes.

1353
01:39:57,210 --> 01:40:00,050
Just, you can front load here.

1354
01:40:00,210 --> 01:40:06,330
You're meeting with Pillar, and I think at this point with what we have budgeted and what we plan to budget in the future,

1355
01:40:06,330 --> 01:40:11,990
But that would be about the limit of our in-kind support would be to demo it, you know,

1356
01:40:12,010 --> 01:40:16,650
take the pavement up and make the site level and possibly do something with the fence.

1357
01:40:16,890 --> 01:40:20,250
Other than that, we're not going to have to wear with all weather internally or externally

1358
01:40:20,250 --> 01:40:21,090
to do it.

1359
01:40:21,250 --> 01:40:26,490
We don't have that type of craft on staff, so when it comes to like design, pouring, and putting

1360
01:40:26,490 --> 01:40:28,910
it together, that's not stuff we can handle.

1361
01:40:29,630 --> 01:40:35,230
Well, that's going to be, they're going to contact you and you'll just have to tell them

1362
01:40:35,230 --> 01:40:42,250
in what ways you can help, and make it easy for them if we're not giving them an unreasonable

1363
01:40:42,250 --> 01:40:46,910
expectation before you go at that's okay.

1364
01:40:46,910 --> 01:40:47,750
Any other questions?

1365
01:40:48,010 --> 01:40:49,050
I do, Mr. Chairman.

1366
01:40:55,270 --> 01:41:01,690
This company pillar, are there other companies like that like this in the US?

1367
01:41:01,750 --> 01:41:02,690
There aren't many.

1368
01:41:02,830 --> 01:41:04,970
There are some, mostly in the West Coast.

1369
01:41:04,970 --> 01:41:12,390
So, my concern, I guess, is it sounds like you're putting a lot of faith in the company,

1370
01:41:12,450 --> 01:41:15,910
and I think this community, and I know personally,

1371
01:41:19,010 --> 01:41:20,490
from personal experience, that you put

1372
01:41:20,490 --> 01:41:26,830
your faith in a company or an organization, and they're not all that they cracked up to be,

1373
01:41:26,830 --> 01:41:29,630
and I just had you done any of this.

1374
01:41:29,630 --> 01:41:30,630
I've done a lot of research.

1375
01:41:30,630 --> 01:41:34,950
Okay, so you talked to other people who are other folks who've worked with this,

1376
01:41:34,950 --> 01:41:40,410
group and you know you feel confident. Yeah, one of the other people that have been helping me

1377
01:41:40,410 --> 01:41:46,310
Dan Lassada, he's a resident of LaConia, but he grew up in the area. He moved to Florida for a while,

1378
01:41:46,470 --> 01:41:52,790
but he was in the fundraising there for skate parks. He personally knows people from there for him,

1379
01:41:52,810 --> 01:41:58,450
and he's the ones who got in contact with me, and just because they're so prolific with their successes

1380
01:41:58,450 --> 01:42:03,930
with skate parks that they actually do help bring to fruition, and as well that the fact they worked

1381
01:42:03,930 --> 01:42:11,710
directly with the Tony Hawk Foundation, they really are the best out there in this and they

1382
01:42:11,710 --> 01:42:17,130
do it, you know, it is a selfish thing as well, because to get paid, they need to produce

1383
01:42:17,130 --> 01:42:21,130
a skate park and making that with working with the nonprofit, it's applying for grants.

1384
01:42:22,650 --> 01:42:28,930
So I do have quite a strong faith in them, I mean if, yeah, if it's something falls through,

1385
01:42:28,930 --> 01:42:33,930
I'm prepared to, you know, it's just going to take longer to fundraise, but it's.

1386
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:41,050
Are you familiar with the fundraising effort they did up in Plummouth a couple years ago

1387
01:42:41,050 --> 01:42:42,110
for the ski jump?

1388
01:42:42,850 --> 01:42:43,870
No, I'm not familiar.

1389
01:42:44,330 --> 01:42:44,550
No.

1390
01:42:45,290 --> 01:42:46,570
So I can talk to you later.

1391
01:42:47,330 --> 01:42:51,730
There's some folks who did some amazing fundraising for the ski jump

1392
01:42:51,730 --> 01:42:52,330
on that.

1393
01:42:53,390 --> 01:42:57,630
So you might look for other folks who have that expertise to help you with fundraising.

1394
01:42:57,630 --> 01:42:59,890
Yeah, I would appreciate any help.

1395
01:43:04,220 --> 01:43:04,860
Mr. Chair.

1396
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:05,960
Yes, Mike.

1397
01:43:06,340 --> 01:43:12,460
Although escape park with dangerous tricks or jumps is kind of an option more on because escape

1398
01:43:12,460 --> 01:43:18,500
parks are dangerous, but in his words, it's a dangerous sport and we'll have a soccer field

1399
01:43:18,500 --> 01:43:20,100
sees more opportunities than the escape park.

1400
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:27,660
So anyways, I guess at this point we're at the point where we have to shut it down

1401
01:43:27,660 --> 01:43:34,400
at least for a while, we have to give interactive towards fixing those or not, is that what we're

1402
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:34,800
right?

1403
01:43:35,780 --> 01:43:36,660
I'd like that.

1404
01:43:36,700 --> 01:43:41,920
Yeah, that's why I asked to hold off on the expenditure because if we were going to close

1405
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:45,820
it, it wouldn't make sense to do it, but that's a policy decision.

1406
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:47,160
I'm not prepared to make that.

1407
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:48,060
That's up to you, Fox.

1408
01:43:48,860 --> 01:43:50,520
So I think we're on that.

1409
01:43:50,540 --> 01:43:53,560
None of us want to shut it down, but I think we have to.

1410
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:58,540
I tend to agree with Brendan if he's a year out, the funds can be used better.

1411
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:04,020
I'm not saying which you go in and tear apart those things or do anything at this time.

1412
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:08,720
I think we ought to sit on it and if it turns out the fundraising doesn't work and

1413
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:12,800
we're five years out then I think it's going to be worth trying to get something going for

1414
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:16,200
those gifts or we're not waiting five years and skateboarding goes away but that's just how

1415
01:44:16,200 --> 01:44:16,960
I feel.

1416
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:22,620
Well, you just messed up in any time, if you want to build a skate park, that's what I mean.

1417
01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:29,120
Mr. Chairman, yes, my concern with leaving them up is you're now creating an attractive

1418
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:34,060
nuisance, it's kind of like an empty swimming pool. If you've made the decision that you feel

1419
01:44:34,060 --> 01:44:39,740
it's unsafe and it should be closed, there's not a lot left there to rehabilitate, it's not

1420
01:44:39,740 --> 01:44:44,380
like it's a concrete structure we can patch it. Without spending a lot of money there's not

1421
01:44:44,380 --> 01:44:54,520
you can do to it. So I would implore upon you that if you are closing it, let's close it and get rid of the attractive nuisance if we fail it's that much of a concern.

1422
01:44:58,530 --> 01:44:59,970
So, first of all, I'd like to...

1423
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:08,120
Thank you, Brendan, for all your hard work. I also want to just say that I have a lot of faith and confidence

1424
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:17,240
in inventing his expertise in what he does for the community. And this is not deciding to shut this down,

1425
01:45:17,460 --> 01:45:25,260
is not a reflection on you vent. I think you've been very, I

1426
01:45:29,330 --> 01:45:30,350
don't even know what the word is.

1427
01:45:30,350 --> 01:45:34,730
But you have our best interest at heart

1428
01:45:34,730 --> 01:45:37,130
and I appreciate that and I think you do a great job.

1429
01:45:38,190 --> 01:45:42,430
So, but hearing everything else in the fact

1430
01:45:42,430 --> 01:45:45,390
that it doesn't sound like even shutting it down

1431
01:45:45,390 --> 01:45:49,230
to make those repairs are going to fix some of the issues

1432
01:45:49,230 --> 01:45:51,410
like the screws coming out and that sort of thing.

1433
01:45:51,550 --> 01:45:51,870
I would,

1434
01:45:58,970 --> 01:46:00,310
could you come to the mic, Jim?

1435
01:46:00,710 --> 01:46:01,010
Yeah, come on

1436
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:03,960
up.

1437
01:46:04,620 --> 01:46:07,320
Fixing screws and repairing those would be part

1438
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:14,300
that whole process of seeing blasting and peeing that would take place and I'm not going to

1439
01:46:14,300 --> 01:46:19,220
deny I'm very disappointed I really am only because that was the directive that I was given

1440
01:46:19,220 --> 01:46:28,240
to proceed for the as I said for the next two years so we're now ready to do that but obviously

1441
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:33,220
I respect the board's seasonal carry out whatever wishes you have

1442
01:46:38,540 --> 01:46:40,080
but okay you're looking at me

1443
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:43,420
And I've been cooking over here about a half an hour.

1444
01:46:44,540 --> 01:46:47,680
I'd like to see it stay open for the rest of the season.

1445
01:46:48,540 --> 01:46:50,400
However, liability is the other thing.

1446
01:46:51,100 --> 01:46:53,440
I can see two sides of that there.

1447
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:57,020
So I'm not happy about that part there.

1448
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:00,780
That's I think I have to lean to the liability side.

1449
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:04,100
The second thing is, though, when I'd like to see

1450
01:47:04,100 --> 01:47:11,100
before we go in, and shall we say disrupt everything by November, December, I'd like to

1451
01:47:11,100 --> 01:47:15,120
have Chris, I guess I'll lay this on you, and update where we are.

1452
01:47:15,540 --> 01:47:16,240
That's Peter.

1453
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:23,560
Peter, I'll just, all in a family, anyway, yeah, Peter, I'm sorry, I'll update where the heck

1454
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:30,700
we are on fundraising and things, because as I guess they don't want to say we dig a hole

1455
01:47:30,700 --> 01:47:32,800
and we stop following into it.

1456
01:47:32,980 --> 01:47:36,880
And that way, I think postponing public works

1457
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:39,660
at least for a while until we can see

1458
01:47:39,660 --> 01:47:40,940
where the heck we're at.

1459
01:47:43,300 --> 01:47:46,080
Because I went through this event

1460
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:50,900
noses from way back when we in 2009,

1461
01:47:52,140 --> 01:47:57,160
were cutting everything in sight, because of financial streams.

1462
01:47:57,180 --> 01:47:59,960
So we say, we lost the life cards, and the life cards

1463
01:47:59,960 --> 01:48:04,880
and have it come back. I don't want to lose the skate park and say it never comes back.

1464
01:48:05,580 --> 01:48:07,540
So that's my quandary. That's why.

1465
01:48:13,850 --> 01:48:18,570
And microphone. You just have to introduce yourself to Peter. I'm sorry.

1466
01:48:21,650 --> 01:48:26,930
Hi, Pete Thorn right here. So I would be reporting back from Brandon. He's going to provide, you know,

1467
01:48:27,010 --> 01:48:31,470
we can get on maybe a march or even sooner meeting.

1468
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:36,050
And I can give you guys either one, two, three updates throughout the winter on where he's at.

1469
01:48:36,050 --> 01:48:40,270
with the budget and the fundraising, and that kind of thing.

1470
01:48:41,310 --> 01:48:47,170
But I agree, I don't want to lose the skatepark as my life hurts, you know?

1471
01:48:50,700 --> 01:48:53,900
It's my dad's memorial, so I really don't want to see a go either,

1472
01:48:54,100 --> 01:48:56,600
which is why I've been fundraising for this.

1473
01:48:58,500 --> 01:49:07,460
So, well, if we did postpone on closing it, would these repairs then go happen at the skatepark?

1474
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:13,220
Mr. Chairman, I think Nate, you were proposing to close it, but just not rip everything

1475
01:49:13,220 --> 01:49:14,120
out right away.

1476
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:16,040
So we close it immediately.

1477
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:17,420
That's what we wouldn't demo it.

1478
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:18,800
I do.

1479
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:19,560
No.

1480
01:49:19,820 --> 01:49:24,560
My point is, if we're going to close it, it's going to be close in time.

1481
01:49:25,100 --> 01:49:27,900
Why put the money in and refurbish on what we go?

1482
01:49:28,460 --> 01:49:34,580
But on the other hand, don't take and rip up everything that's already there and then we

1483
01:49:34,580 --> 01:49:35,120
have nothing.

1484
01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:39,800
Yeah, that's the same as we have a whole, yeah, that's my thought, John.

1485
01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:46,520
Again, just so Mike knows that my concern with that was that it becomes that attractive

1486
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:52,180
nuisance if you do that, but if we chain it up and close it, I mean I could live with that,

1487
01:49:52,760 --> 01:50:01,340
but still you know there are, even though we have statutory liability, this is up to debate

1488
01:50:01,340 --> 01:50:04,900
where we've now said, we think that it might be a hazard.

1489
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:13,960
I would say that since utilization is falling off pretty

1490
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:16,760
significantly and that maybe, as you say,

1491
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:20,300
due to the condition, you don't know why, but if it's

1492
01:50:20,300 --> 01:50:23,100
if it is low utilization, we do very little harm

1493
01:50:23,100 --> 01:50:25,020
by closing it.

1494
01:50:25,260 --> 01:50:30,560
And in fact, if you really can pull off, and I hope

1495
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:32,880
you can, and we're rooting for you, if you can pull off

1496
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:43,640
implementing by next year that it would have been rather a waste of money to be putting improvements in now that would hardly be done in time for the whole season.

1497
01:50:44,340 --> 01:50:52,080
So it would just seem to me that it would be most prudent of us for lots of reasons to just close it.

1498
01:50:53,020 --> 01:50:59,260
But that's putting more pressure on you because we don't want to see it close for a long period.

1499
01:50:59,260 --> 01:51:02,520
Yeah, I'm running it back in business to save it to use.

1500
01:51:03,060 --> 01:51:08,780
Yeah, well, you know, I'm aware that not many kids are using it right now, and that's, and that the fact

1501
01:51:08,780 --> 01:51:14,180
it has gotten so far gone, so when I initially started fundraising last year, I was always in my head,

1502
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:18,420
this needs to be rebuilt in concrete, you know, a lifelong skateboarder, and I'll,

1503
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:24,660
great parks out west, and a lot of new East Coast concrete parks, and it's just the usage,

1504
01:51:25,320 --> 01:51:28,580
the quality, everything is so much better about them.

1505
01:51:33,380 --> 01:51:38,500
My recommendation would be, we leave the park open to the first of September.

1506
01:51:39,260 --> 01:51:44,820
We put a sign up close until further notice, and then come next March, when you decide

1507
01:51:44,820 --> 01:51:51,160
you've got money or you don't, then it gets them old, and progress, signs get put up, that

1508
01:51:51,160 --> 01:51:52,960
progress is going to be a new rank.

1509
01:51:53,860 --> 01:51:54,840
That's just a recommendation.

1510
01:51:58,140 --> 01:52:02,500
Mr. Chairman, could I just throw something on that?

1511
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:06,820
Of course. My concern is that again, the liability.

1512
01:52:07,240 --> 01:52:09,020
We've had a lot of discussions tonight about it.

1513
01:52:09,140 --> 01:52:10,840
If you're going to close it, you've got to close it immediately.

1514
01:52:11,940 --> 01:52:13,460
Yeah, don't close this September first.

1515
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:14,020
Please.

1516
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:17,180
If you accept that premise.

1517
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:21,180
All right. I will redesign that.

1518
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:34,380
We would close it immediately, lock the gate, put a sign on it, close it until further notice and hopefully by next March you would have a great report for us that says we are going to be able to go forward and

1519
01:52:34,380 --> 01:52:40,740
spring to start to build an escape board and at that time public works would help you demolish

1520
01:52:40,740 --> 01:52:43,340
what's there and get the area ready.

1521
01:52:47,650 --> 01:52:53,070
This one last comment if I could, more so for clarification for all of us, we've mentioned

1522
01:52:53,070 --> 01:52:58,690
many times staying on the same page and this will be a very, very large project with a lot

1523
01:52:58,690 --> 01:52:59,970
of coordination involved.

1524
01:53:00,730 --> 01:53:05,690
Last fall, Brenda will remember, we had about a 68 member committee where we started talking

1525
01:53:05,690 --> 01:53:11,950
about all these topics, we carefully inspected the ramps and part of that whole process was

1526
01:53:11,950 --> 01:53:17,550
if and when we and we all hope we do get to the point that we build a new cement concrete

1527
01:53:17,550 --> 01:53:26,490
skate park. If before any commitments are made financially including private because they are

1528
01:53:26,490 --> 01:53:28,670
on private, all the work will be on private.

1529
01:53:30,670 --> 01:53:38,350
I'm a emotional sorry public property, town of Meredith Skate Park, correct me if I'm wrong

1530
01:53:38,350 --> 01:53:43,450
feel that your direction to me then and for me to the committee was we would have to follow

1531
01:53:43,450 --> 01:53:50,770
all purchasing procedures as we normally do with all of our purchases so that would I think

1532
01:53:50,770 --> 01:53:55,970
automatically keep us. In other words this is so large that we would have to go out to bid for

1533
01:53:55,970 --> 01:54:02,310
various pieces of parts. Well, if they're going to donate the whole park, which is what the

1534
01:54:02,310 --> 01:54:07,290
discussion didn't surround around originally. It was going to be, we were going to get money,

1535
01:54:07,370 --> 01:54:12,270
and it was going to be constructed. If somebody's going to come in and say, we're going to donate

1536
01:54:12,270 --> 01:54:18,930
a park constructed, turn key to the town, then of course we would wave our procurement. Okay,

1537
01:54:19,330 --> 01:54:24,710
but what we wouldn't wave and please listen to this, what we wouldn't wave are the insurance

1538
01:54:24,710 --> 01:54:30,070
And the bonding requirements, which means the contract that has to have insurance, which I gather

1539
01:54:30,070 --> 01:54:34,950
he would, and he would have to present the bond for the faithful performance of whatever gets done

1540
01:54:34,950 --> 01:54:36,650
because it's on town property.

1541
01:54:37,510 --> 01:54:44,090
But if someone's going to give us an item, let's say a fire truck, a skate park, we of course,

1542
01:54:44,270 --> 01:54:46,850
because our procurement says we can wave in the best inches of the town.

1543
01:54:47,390 --> 01:54:49,730
Now, if they're going to give us a check, that's a town project.

1544
01:54:50,070 --> 01:54:53,670
It all goes out to bid, we have to hire, you know, they saw those procedures.

1545
01:54:54,190 --> 01:54:57,490
That's the only change to what I told you, but yeah, you were good.

1546
01:54:58,630 --> 01:55:00,370
One more question for it.

1547
01:55:00,590 --> 01:55:01,690
Since he's up there.

1548
01:55:01,950 --> 01:55:04,310
What is the downside?

1549
01:55:05,530 --> 01:55:07,790
Why do you not want to see a closed date?

1550
01:55:07,970 --> 01:55:08,790
You heard low attendance.

1551
01:55:09,050 --> 01:55:13,690
So what's the downside of closing it and then raising the money in rebuilding?

1552
01:55:14,170 --> 01:55:18,890
Downside is just simply that to close a ski park that's been in our community

1553
01:55:18,890 --> 01:55:23,690
in the second, you know, so that everyone this is out with being able to utilize it.

1554
01:55:23,690 --> 01:55:26,350
But when you say everyone, what are we talking about?

1555
01:55:26,650 --> 01:55:29,170
To two people, twenty people, five hundred people.

1556
01:55:29,210 --> 01:55:35,150
Yes, and I don't but I agree with Brendan that if he, he and I agree, we disagree

1557
01:55:35,150 --> 01:55:41,690
on maybe short-term long-term goals because I do still feel strongly that we should make

1558
01:55:41,690 --> 01:55:45,270
the repairs that we were all planning to do.

1559
01:55:45,270 --> 01:55:52,190
I feel bad that it due to the market, the way things are out there, that we weren't able to secure a contractor sooner.

1560
01:55:53,130 --> 01:55:55,170
I mean, I wish we could have done that first day.

1561
01:55:55,710 --> 01:56:00,510
But I'm disappointed that we weren't able to carry out our original plan.

1562
01:56:02,030 --> 01:56:05,530
And so to be with the downside is that it's closed for a year.

1563
01:56:06,310 --> 01:56:07,570
Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

1564
01:56:07,990 --> 01:56:08,770
Thank you.

1565
01:56:10,270 --> 01:56:19,950
Karen, sit. I'll just just. I was wondering if if the vote goes to actually close it

1566
01:56:19,950 --> 01:56:26,730
for now could and I guess it's $8,000 that has been budgeted and raised. Could that money

1567
01:56:26,730 --> 01:56:34,890
being covered for the rebuild at that point? If you're not going to, if you're not going

1568
01:56:34,890 --> 01:56:42,090
fix it, and that money was raised specifically for the repairs to escape our board park.

1569
01:56:42,430 --> 01:56:48,670
Could you uncover that money so it could be handed over for the new facility?

1570
01:56:50,450 --> 01:56:54,990
The rules on and conferences are, it has to be for a project or a program that's already

1571
01:56:54,990 --> 01:56:58,210
in the process, you know, from one year to the next.

1572
01:56:59,190 --> 01:57:03,790
So you're talking to projects, you're talking building a new skate park and performing maintenance

1573
01:57:03,790 --> 01:57:07,930
on an existing one. If you don't have an existing one, then it's not a valid reason to

1574
01:57:07,930 --> 01:57:11,850
encumber money. It was scheduled for repairs, not for new construction.

1575
01:57:12,350 --> 01:57:21,710
But the project is dealing with a skate park. A skateboard park. If you don't get so my

1576
01:57:21,710 --> 01:57:33,770
new in details, whether to repair or rebuild, it's still a skateboard project. So I was

1577
01:57:36,430 --> 01:57:36,430
just

1578
01:57:36,430 --> 01:57:44,730
It seems to me that's not the intent of incumbent funds for projects that we're doing switching to.

1579
01:57:44,730 --> 01:57:46,710
And I wanted it as very specific.

1580
01:57:46,930 --> 01:57:48,630
It could make me think though,

1581
01:57:49,470 --> 01:57:53,730
that even though it's different than even different budget year,

1582
01:57:54,970 --> 01:57:57,430
I believe Brendan, you told me that

1583
01:57:58,170 --> 01:58:03,750
the Friends of the Community Center is a 501C3 nonprofit.

1584
01:58:04,830 --> 01:58:11,130
We do support through funding many non-profits that comes up in our budget.

1585
01:58:11,410 --> 01:58:14,190
They ask for money for support.

1586
01:58:14,550 --> 01:58:15,110
Oh, I'll say it.

1587
01:58:15,170 --> 01:58:15,390
Right.

1588
01:58:15,830 --> 01:58:16,330
That's what it is.

1589
01:58:16,330 --> 01:58:25,890
Is there anything that would preclude the friends of the community center for asking us for funding?

1590
01:58:26,690 --> 01:58:26,990
Nope.

1591
01:58:27,550 --> 01:58:31,370
They could file an outside agency funding request, just like all of our other outside agencies.

1592
01:58:32,090 --> 01:58:32,450
Go for that.

1593
01:58:32,450 --> 01:58:37,370
seen perfectly reasonable to me where they to do that, and it were the amount we were able

1594
01:58:37,370 --> 01:58:43,410
to save by closing it, that money would be reasonably important to

1595
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:46,080
it.

1596
01:58:46,120 --> 01:58:50,140
It seems like it would be a better way than, well, if you're not, if you're not, if you're

1597
01:58:50,140 --> 01:58:50,500
not, if you're not.

1598
01:58:50,780 --> 01:58:58,260
Because then we've got the talent involved, and you'd have to do a different way of building

1599
01:58:58,260 --> 01:58:58,920
it, right?

1600
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:03,480
No, not necessarily, because we just hand out sight agency money over to those agencies.

1601
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:09,640
You know agencies request it and we hand it over to them and they do with it as AC fit and they're all fight

1602
01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:14,280
They're either a C3 or one of those sections. There's like three or four of the sections of the tax code

1603
01:59:14,280 --> 01:59:16,360
So this would be the same

1604
01:59:16,360 --> 01:59:19,320
This would be a similar instance. I'm saying a money that we

1605
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:26,520
Technically put in vences budget to just specifically for the skateboard repairs if we took that money

1606
01:59:26,520 --> 01:59:29,580
Oh, no, then you're not doing that then you've got a whole

1607
01:59:30,400 --> 01:59:32,400
You're not doing that what you do is

1608
01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:40,020
What you're doing is is a file and outside agency application has part of the 2019 budget.

1609
01:59:40,900 --> 01:59:46,660
We decide whether we want to fund it or not at a specific amount using 2019 money.

1610
01:59:52,660 --> 01:59:58,100
And Karen, I know that's splitting hairs with the encumbrances, but that's what our audit is of very specific on.

1611
02:00:06,230 --> 02:00:09,030
I think we beat it to death.

1612
02:00:11,430 --> 02:00:18,990
So I guess we need a motion here to establish staying open, repair, closing.

1613
02:00:20,410 --> 02:00:38,530
So, I would like to propose a motion then that we close the skate park immediately until we understand completely, at least the schedule for the replacement park.

1614
02:00:39,590 --> 02:00:40,190
Is there a second?

1615
02:00:43,430 --> 02:00:47,660
I'll second it. Is there any more discussion?

1616
02:00:50,820 --> 02:00:54,500
Hearing none? All those in favor?

1617
02:00:55,660 --> 02:00:56,380
Aye. Aye.

1618
02:00:57,560 --> 02:00:58,020
Opposed?

1619
02:00:59,120 --> 02:00:59,300
Aye.

1620
02:01:00,440 --> 02:01:00,840
It's carried.

1621
02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:05,580
Nobody opposed, it was just as unanimous?

1622
02:01:05,680 --> 02:01:06,320
Yes. Okay.

1623
02:01:07,060 --> 02:01:07,740
Thank you.

1624
02:01:11,440 --> 02:01:12,560
Any other whole business?

1625
02:01:13,260 --> 02:01:15,520
Mr. Chairman, I will work the details I was meant to

1626
02:01:15,520 --> 02:01:20,240
about that, we're going to put up a small sign that says it's closed, I'm not going to put

1627
02:01:20,240 --> 02:01:20,980
up that.

1628
02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:22,780
We don't need a billboard.

1629
02:01:23,260 --> 02:01:23,440
Nope.

1630
02:01:24,160 --> 02:01:25,480
We will work that out tomorrow.

1631
02:01:29,790 --> 02:01:33,770
If there's nothing else, I would like to adjourn as meeting at 6.30.

1632
02:01:34,970 --> 02:01:36,010
Thank you all for attending.