1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Going to call the meeting to order. We're looking for approval of the agenda 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:07,680 for the special council meeting held July 28,2026 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,679 to be approved as presented. May I have a mover, please? 4 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:13,440 » I'll move. >> Thank you. Seconded. Moved and seconded. 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:17,279 Comments or questions for members, please. 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:21,279 » Call the vote. All in favor? It's carried. Thank you. Going to move on to 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:25,840 disclosure of pecuring interest and general nature thereof. Does any member 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:28,640 have a interest to declare and if so, what's the general nature of that 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:33,200 interest? No declaration. So we'll move on to four 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:36,719 motions for consideration that the council of the corporation of the 11 00:00:34,239 --> 00:00:40,239 village of America receive the motions for consideration documented as 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:43,280 presented. May I have a mover please? >> I'll move. 13 00:00:40,879 --> 00:00:48,399 » Thank you. Second, please. Thank you. Comments or questions, members? None. 14 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:52,800 We'll move on to the vote. All in favor? Carrie. 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:57,440 Number five, Marville master infrastructure plan population growth 16 00:00:54,879 --> 00:01:01,199 projection summary. I will now invite Mark Buchanan from JL Richardson to 17 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:06,320 provide a presentation on the population growth projection summary report. Mark, 18 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:09,920 the floor is all yours, sir. Thank you. And thank you for coming in person. 19 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:13,520 » Hey, welcome. Thanks for having me. Glad to be here to talk about I guess an 20 00:01:12,159 --> 00:01:17,759 important part of the infrastructure master plan. Um the population 21 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:23,200 projections kind of undermine kind undermine but um are the foundation that 22 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:26,479 the whole plan is based on. So it sets the table for like what we're going to 23 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:30,560 assess from your water based water infrastructure. So I guess with that we 24 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:34,960 put together a short presentation to kind of accompany the the memo we put 25 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:38,960 together that summarized here was the growth projections and how we came up 26 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,960 with them um for the village of Marville. 27 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,840 » So starting it off some of the the key things like kind of 28 00:01:46,399 --> 00:01:52,320 our approach and our assumptions that went into it. Um these form the basis 29 00:01:51,119 --> 00:01:55,840 that we're going to use to assess the infrastructure master plan. These 30 00:01:53,920 --> 00:02:01,119 population projections um the data we're putting in here from 31 00:01:58,479 --> 00:02:06,479 the figures and the tables we we've summarized them from input from village 32 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:10,879 staff. So I want to make it clear like JL Richards isn't coming up with this to 33 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:15,040 say this is how Marville grows. It's being informed by what the community is 34 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:19,520 hearing what's coming from developers interest in the area. It's not us saying 35 00:02:17,599 --> 00:02:24,640 it. It's this is this is your community telling us this is you know 36 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:29,280 um where um I guess the other important 37 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:33,040 piece is we're using the official plan to try and guide and steer where 38 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:37,920 densities and unit developments will be going. We're not creating anything new. 39 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:45,120 We're adhering to current um plans. Um where we didn't have any information um 40 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:50,000 such as um unit d like people per unit the unit density we looked at statistic 41 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:56,800 Canada for maru specific and it said well it's about 2.1 people per unit. So 42 00:02:53,360 --> 00:03:01,120 we use that to fill in a data gap. >> Um the other assumption that's in here 43 00:02:58,879 --> 00:03:06,879 for properties that are zoned are two. Um the official plan allows up to four 44 00:03:03,599 --> 00:03:10,319 units on that development. Feedback from staff is well we're planning for we're 45 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:14,319 going to allow one one unit to go in there. So we've taken that assumption in 46 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:20,080 the plan. Um for 10 to 20 year development 47 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:25,599 timelines. So kind of the furthest timeline we were looking at for growth 48 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:30,640 projections. Um the official plan allows for a range of 49 00:03:27,519 --> 00:03:35,680 unit densities. So what we were in talking with staff was well let's look 50 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:39,440 at low and medium. So we took an average of of those two 51 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:44,080 to come up with how many units would go on this vacant land. 52 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:48,080 And then the final piece of the assumptions in here is we put this 53 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:52,720 together based on the best information we have so far. Um as we work through 54 00:03:50,239 --> 00:03:56,640 the master plan and I some of the bigger items at the bottom um flood plane 55 00:03:54,799 --> 00:03:59,599 limits for any development that's along the river. we would update that to 56 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:04,400 reduce what the developable areas is because we don't want to develop in a 57 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:09,599 foot. So we'll shrink those areas accordingly. Um and if there's anything 58 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:12,879 else but archaeological natural heritage say wetland we'll adjust those lands 59 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:18,959 accordingly. That would adjust the development areas we're showing here. 60 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:24,960 » Yeah that's the say the primary for what went into the the growth projections as 61 00:04:22,479 --> 00:04:28,479 next slide. So in going through them, we we broke 62 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:32,560 them up into timelines. So our study, we're looking at a 20-year projection 63 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:36,720 out for the village. So we broke it up into three timelines. The first one 64 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:43,840 we're looking at is 0 to 5 years. These are areas that are um either approved 65 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:46,720 for capacity and under construction um or they're approved for capacity, they 66 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:50,080 aren't under construction or there's been capacity requested. So this is 67 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:54,160 probably the most certainty in development because this is what this is 68 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:57,759 everybody's aware of what's coming. So we've kind of thrown them on a map of 69 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:01,360 the village and highlighted them in green. These are the development areas 70 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:06,080 that would be looking um to grow in the next you know the near term 0 to 5 71 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:13,560 years. Um [clears throat] in the table generally it sums up to it's about 205 72 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:13,560 units or 475 people. 73 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:20,639 » Do you want to introduce your >> Oh sorry. 74 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,240 » I know. [laughter] Sorry. >> Oh good. [clears throat] So Shose from 75 00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:25,919 Aqua. um we're working with on this this important job she's served. 76 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:31,039 » Welcome. >> Thank you. 77 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:35,400 » Thanks, darling. >> Mayor, 78 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,400 » absolutely. 79 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:45,520 » So, the next timeline I guess is there any questions so far? Like I'll be uh 80 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:51,520 » anybody have any questions? >> Wait till the end. Yes. 81 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:56,880 » Okay. So, the next timeline 5 to 10 years. Um, so in the figure we tried to 82 00:05:54,800 --> 00:06:00,960 leave the green areas on there to show that was what the 05 was. And then 83 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:05,919 anything that's 5 to 10 is kind of the the yellowy orange colors. Um, they're 84 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:10,240 generally vacant lots that were available within the the urban boundary, 85 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:16,240 the urban urban area of the rank. Um again it consists of approved capacity 86 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:23,759 capacity requested um probably a smaller total um of 42 units 119 people for this 87 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:29,880 timeline um which is less than what's in the 05 and the lowest of all of the 88 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,880 projections. 89 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:39,759 Thanks J. And then the last timeline we have is um 10 to 20 years. So the 90 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:45,199 furthest out in the plan in here that's all of the blue areas um 91 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:54,960 that are identified as being expected for growth. Um again a range of there's 92 00:06:49,039 --> 00:06:58,800 89 lots have been requested capacity. Um 193 um there's no capacity approved or 93 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:04,479 requested but they're available lands that is anticipated to grow in 10 to 20 94 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:10,880 years. Um, and then there's some vacant lands that total up to about 886 units. 95 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:16,800 Um, and I think the biggest projection on this timeline is growing across the 96 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:24,319 RTO River um to those blocks that are 13 labeled 13 and 14 in the figure. Um, in 97 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:29,800 total for 10 to 20 years, it's 1,168 units or just over 2400 people. 98 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:37,120 And that's the short synopsis of the growth projections for the 99 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:43,000 infrastructure master plan. Happy to take in the questions and discuss. 100 00:07:39,199 --> 00:07:43,000 » Any questions for members? 101 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:50,319 » Go ahead, counselor. >> I guess when you're doing the growth 102 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:54,479 projections, what factors do you take in consideration? Is it just what lots we 103 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:57,759 have available and what sort of stage are development or do you look at the 104 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:01,199 census scan and the trends of the population 105 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:06,319 um federally? >> No. So there was no analysis on like a 106 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:12,479 federal level of data. Um the only piece of stat scan data that we used was just 107 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:15,039 to inform if there was an unknown on um how many people would be going in a 108 00:08:13,919 --> 00:08:18,960 unit. um 109 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:22,479 what we took in trying to develop the the growth projections is what the 110 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:26,639 public works department was getting um particularly in the near term uh 05 5 to 111 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:30,080 10 was like yeah there's requests for these lands to be developed there's 112 00:08:27,919 --> 00:08:34,560 requests for uh capacity on the water wastewater systems and then outside of 113 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:39,959 that what is informing it is we're maintaining growth has to stay within 114 00:08:36,560 --> 00:08:39,959 the urban boundary 115 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:48,320 go ahead >> so rather than talking about it as a a 116 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:54,240 growth projection. It's really evaluating the capacity based on empty 117 00:08:51,760 --> 00:09:00,560 square footage, empty empty empty lots, empty acreage, and you're allocating 118 00:08:58,416 --> 00:09:05,680 [clears throat] x number of dwelling units based on the official plan for y 119 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:11,360 number of acres or lots. >> Correct. So, so this is very different 120 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:19,120 from a growth projection where we look at past historical trends. Uh people 121 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:24,080 leaving the the municipality, entering, dying, retiring elsewhere. 122 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:29,120 So, it's really just a capacity. How much land do we have? How many people 123 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:34,441 can we put on it? [clears throat] So how 124 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:39,839 how does that number whatever number we [clears throat] determine 125 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:46,080 how does that number affect the plan or the master infrastructure plan? 126 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:50,640 » So the numbers we have now we can take them and then we can start comparing 127 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:55,360 them to as we go out in time. How much capacity 128 00:09:53,680 --> 00:10:00,320 does the water plant have or the wastewater plant? How does it affect 129 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:04,160 your trunk wastewater sewers or pressures and fire flowability of the in 130 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:07,920 your distribution system? We can take this information now and we can use it 131 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:12,160 in the master plan to say well here's where we think there's going to be 132 00:10:08,959 --> 00:10:17,480 problems or none um moving forward in time with this um growth. 133 00:10:18,327 --> 00:10:23,120 [clears throat] >> Go ahead counsel. 134 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:29,839 » Yeah. So to to build on that is essentially that it gives us um working 135 00:10:27,279 --> 00:10:32,959 on on this and like I'm I'm looking it's a little bit malleable too as we go 136 00:10:31,839 --> 00:10:36,800 forward because you're talking about taking flood plane um agricultural land 137 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,920 that types of things into consideration as we go 138 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:43,040 » not agricultural sorry >> although it was written up there I was 139 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:47,200 just saying it was written up in >> we put it 140 00:10:43,839 --> 00:10:51,600 » yeah would be um so I mean like the five zero to five years highly likely uh the 141 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:56,160 5 to 10 is 142 00:10:53,519 --> 00:11:01,680 maybe likely depending on economics, that type of thing. And then the 10 to 143 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:06,160 20 is where we have room should we require it. And so what this is helping 144 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:10,160 us to come up with plans going forward depending on how if if suddenly we 145 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:15,519 saying the growth rate is um you know suddenly speeding up or something we we 146 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:22,560 have a plan and um kind of options to consider going ahead versus um or if 147 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:27,680 it's very stagnant and just stays really we have a plan but uh we're not locked 148 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:33,600 into our >> I'd say absolutely um the timelines we 149 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:36,640 use um they almost give it context that like we can all relate with because we 150 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:42,560 all understand time >> 1 year 2 years 5 years 10 years where it 151 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:47,120 actually lands it from a technical standpoint on engineering it doesn't 152 00:11:44,079 --> 00:11:52,640 really make a difference to us the amount of like water waste water 153 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:56,320 generated or required from the people that's what we care about and those are 154 00:11:54,959 --> 00:11:59,839 the numbers then that we start spitting out and comparing to what's available 155 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:03,680 » and then the time just kind of gives you something that we can all understand of 156 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:08,399 Well, based on this much growth in these areas, this is the the list of projects 157 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:11,839 that would be anticipated that gives you a plan to make informed decisions as 158 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:14,839 that growth happens. >> Okay. 159 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:21,760 » Go ahead. >> So, as you know, it's it's in your 160 00:12:18,079 --> 00:12:26,800 report, the the United Counties have projected a very different number for 161 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:32,160 growth um within the municipality as a whole. 162 00:12:28,079 --> 00:12:38,000 So, what happens if if their numbers are closer to being correct, but we've 163 00:12:34,399 --> 00:12:44,000 planned for 3,000 people to be on the system? I I don't want to see a plan 164 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:48,480 that overestimates so much. And I agree with overestimating enough to 165 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:56,560 accommodate some surprises so we're not cut caught short. But that seems like an 166 00:12:52,480 --> 00:13:02,240 extreme number to plan for if our growth actually turns out to be something that 167 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:06,800 is what the county is telling us. >> Correct. 168 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:12,399 » It gives versatility I would say in decision- making. um is what it what it 169 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:18,399 allows for. Um it can be aspirational. It can be um if 170 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:24,800 there is interest in an area, it can also give data to um this council, 171 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:28,720 future council staff to inform those potential developers like here's what 172 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:33,440 you're up against uh to try and service those lands. 173 00:13:30,639 --> 00:13:39,440 Um certainly as part of the the county's uh 174 00:13:36,959 --> 00:13:44,000 draft um [clears throat] county's growth projections um I think one of the lines 175 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:48,880 in their report was also it would be beneficial to get backfed from this this 176 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:52,399 work to say what is the capacity that is available to support growth and that 177 00:13:50,399 --> 00:14:00,600 they could refine their numbers >> more. Um but but yes it definitely is 178 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,600 it's more than what is in the county. 179 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:12,920 And and what happens if we don't pick 3,32 180 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:12,920 for population projection, 181 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,720 but if we pick a lower number, 182 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:25,680 we plan for what the lower number will be. Okay. So, we, you know, we just need 183 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:29,279 to be on the intent of this is we just want to be on the same page with this is 184 00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:32,720 what the community is interested in. This is what we're going to plan for and 185 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:36,639 this is then what the master plan u infrastructure master plan will work 186 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:43,839 towards um to give you information to make decisions. So, um we we by no means 187 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:49,120 are looking to push what the growth projection is for the community at all. 188 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:54,480 It's it's what do you want to plan for? Any 189 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:59,519 other questions for members? >> Mine's been answered. Thanks. 190 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:04,639 » Okay. Um, just for uh a little bit of clarification because we did discuss uh 191 00:15:01,839 --> 00:15:10,480 the county's approach and it's been brought back to the table here. Uh, Miss 192 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:16,480 Plumbley, since the county was engaged with staff, how much of this information 193 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:21,920 is provided to JL Richardson was uh supplied to the county? Because if if 194 00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:24,399 they had the same information, then I'm not understanding the 195 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:28,959 difference. >> The what's presented here is what would 196 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:31,920 be allowed under our current official plan. 197 00:15:29,839 --> 00:15:36,880 » It wasn't presented to the county. >> What was presented to the county was 198 00:15:34,079 --> 00:15:41,040 basically the one to five year or 0 to 5 years. 199 00:15:38,399 --> 00:15:45,600 » No, no, 10 years. What we knew for sure >> that's what was presented to the county. 200 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:49,680 These are projections based on on land availability according to our official 201 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:54,560 plan. >> Okay. So, as I know, the county was 202 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:57,920 looking at long-term investments, and that's what the that's what the growth 203 00:15:56,079 --> 00:16:02,800 management plan was for the counties, including all 10 municipalities, was how 204 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:07,279 was the county going to invest infrastructure dollars in the 205 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:12,160 infrastructure in support of growth uh throughout the 10 municipalities in 206 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:17,120 United, and Brenville. If they weren't supplied with this information, 207 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:21,680 the long-term information, it's harder for them to start planning on what roads 208 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:27,759 they're going to tackle. All the all the roads coming in are all county roads. 209 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:32,160 So, it needs to be understood what the pressures may or may or may not be 210 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:36,079 because we >> that's why this timing 211 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:39,600 » it happens. It happens and depends on developers what they want to buy and how 212 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:43,759 they want to develop it and so on and so forth. But that would be relative 213 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:47,680 information for them to have. So at the county level, they know how much money 214 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:53,680 they should be putting aside for county road 15, 16, and 43 215 00:16:51,600 --> 00:17:01,199 and 41. Go ahead. >> Yeah. So I I note in the appendix that 216 00:16:57,279 --> 00:17:06,880 um areas labeled 13 and 14, the blue hash marks 217 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:12,720 in the staff listing of those two parcels. they staff sees those as being 218 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:18,880 beyond 20 years. Um, and I know that the the growth plan 219 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:25,760 at the county is kind of capped at 201. So, I can see why those two parcels 220 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:32,240 would not be forwarded on to onto the county and and I'd like to understand 221 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:38,400 why they show up in this report. >> Very good question. Because our scope or 222 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:42,080 mandate was 20 years. became a question of are we including 223 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:48,160 them in the plan >> or or not 224 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:53,520 » I think beyond um it's labeled in the appendix 225 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:58,160 as beyond 20 years for development according to village staff 226 00:17:55,520 --> 00:18:04,160 » correct >> and that be all relative to interest 227 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:08,640 from the private sector so I mean we can say that might be 228 00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:14,720 something that's looked at 20 years from now. But if there's we all see small uh 229 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:22,240 little rural villages and towns all of a sudden uh they go from zero to thousands 230 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:25,600 of homes and that those um predictions are always long-term predictions but it 231 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,799 depends on the interest and what's happening in around the other 232 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:34,160 municipalities that border us as well. So I mean these things could could 233 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:36,559 accelerate or they could take longer than what you're projecting. Is 234 00:18:35,477 --> 00:18:41,039 [clears throat] that correct? >> I'd say I'd say that's fair. It depends 235 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:45,200 on the the social, demographic, economical conditions that exist that 236 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:48,080 may bring a development area to become more 237 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:52,799 attractive. What what may be insurmountable right now may become 238 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:55,039 easier in the future depending on unknowns. 239 00:18:53,440 --> 00:19:01,200 » And another determining factor is that these are all u privately owned lands. 240 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:05,440 So they're not within the municipality's uh scope to uh manage them what they'd 241 00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:12,813 like to do. It's all based on the official plan and the interest from uh 242 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:14,880 the neighboring developers I would say. [sighs and gasps] 243 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:20,640 » Correct or incorrect? >> I I generally would agree. I believe uh 244 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:24,240 um there was a development charges bylaw was recently passed like that would help 245 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:28,880 in informing well if you're going to connect to the system this is this is 246 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:33,760 the cost that should be shared by uh potential developer to get capacity. So 247 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:36,880 that would be a consideration uh that would go into a potentially business 248 00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:39,760 case of someone who wants to develop something. 249 00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:45,520 » Yeah. And and this is just basically for us to understand the possibility and 250 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:52,320 when we do have available infrastructure monies uh that we're investing in in the 251 00:19:49,039 --> 00:19:59,120 right direction, the right space just in case uh these projections become truth. 252 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:04,799 » Correct. Thank you. If it's your vote now, go ahead. 253 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:09,760 Yeah, I just uh under the 20-y year um projection there, primarily the stuff in 254 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:17,360 the blue, I know there's some that uh see one set of the 20 years, 193 units 255 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:22,160 proposed, no capacity requested or uh granted. At the time, there's 886, 256 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:26,320 I think, parcels that just are vacant. Um and that's just as potential uh on 257 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:30,799 here. It's it's within our urban boundary, but it's potential, but it's 258 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:36,600 there's not there's no movement on whatsoever. That's just uh what what 259 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,600 what we're talking about. 260 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:44,960 » I think that um if we didn't include the the lands on the north side of the 261 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:50,159 river, um I think we'd have been asked why didn't you? So, if you if we don't 262 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,480 put it in there now, the question would have been raised, well, why didn't you 263 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:58,720 why didn't you consider that when you looked at this? Yeah, we need to to look 264 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:01,679 at all the possibilities because that's how we plan long term. 265 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:08,880 » Yeah. >> What the what the reality is and how 266 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:12,480 they play out is is uh is um something that's in the control of uh the people 267 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:17,200 that own the land and how they want to sell it or who wants to buy it and 268 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:22,440 develop it. And the lands across north side are for sale now. [clears throat] 269 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,440 So, 270 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:30,799 Um, so I have to admit I'm a little bit ignorant as to what a master 271 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:37,760 infrastructure plan looks like, what's what the what the content is. So I guess 272 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:44,559 my my concern right now is if we use this larger number and we plan for that 273 00:21:41,679 --> 00:21:49,919 larger number, if that triggers that larger number triggers the need for a 274 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:55,280 sewage treatment plant expansion, are we now committing to 275 00:21:52,159 --> 00:22:00,080 um expanding the sewage treatment plant with only, you know, the next five years 276 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:03,679 of um user fees and development charges? 277 00:22:02,159 --> 00:22:08,080 is. >> So if we're planning on a really big 278 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:13,280 scope of development and we don't achieve that, 279 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:17,120 how much are we committed towards making that plan happen with a smaller resource 280 00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:20,559 base? >> Fair. Um [clears throat] 281 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:26,159 say yeah, it's a it's a similar question most municipalities face. 282 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:30,080 It doesn't commit you to you have to do this. The urban boundaries established, 283 00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:34,720 the official plans established. it technically allows for this type of 284 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:38,559 growth. The infrastructure master plan is just giving you the road map of well 285 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:42,159 if this actually happens the way that we're projecting it. Here's all the 286 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,120 infrastructure projects you're going to need. here's the additional studies 287 00:22:43,679 --> 00:22:50,159 you're going to have to pursue and here's the designs that would have to go 288 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:54,320 with them um in an approximate timeline based on the timelines we've outlined 289 00:22:53,120 --> 00:23:00,400 and I believe we would have no obligations uh to service lands that we 290 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:06,320 don't have capacity within our plant so that would be uh if our if and when our 291 00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:09,919 plant reaches the maximum capacity and there's still lands to be developed and 292 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:16,559 there's requests for that uh we're not obligated to increase the size of the 293 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:21,919 plant to meet that uh demand or are we uh putting ourselves in a 294 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:26,799 position when that plant reaches a capacity that we're going to have to 295 00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:30,240 upgrade it to continue to move forward? Is that something that we're we 296 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,840 absolutely have to do or is that something we can decide to do as a uh as 297 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,960 a municipality? >> I believe it would become a decision of 298 00:23:35,679 --> 00:23:39,600 municipality. Yeah, because you're obligated. you have to operate in 299 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:44,799 accordance with the regulatory requirements and if you're at capacity 300 00:23:41,679 --> 00:23:48,640 you would be um reckless to continue to add capacity to it without understanding 301 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,840 like no we need to grow it be able to treat it 302 00:23:49,919 --> 00:23:58,080 » I knew the answer to the question I just wanted to set publicly so we're under no 303 00:23:54,159 --> 00:24:02,320 obligation we we move as a municipality and create those opportunities within 304 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:07,840 the capacity that we have financially and with within our resources so it's up 305 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:13,360 to uh and that's why I guess you're projecting long-term 20 years plus. Uh 306 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:20,400 so it's it's decisions and discussions around a council table on how and uh how 307 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,440 we are going to move that forward and what we're going to at what speed we're 308 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:29,840 going to move that forward because a lot of these a lot of these uh builds on the 309 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:34,159 north side require a lot more input than just this is where uh growth is going to 310 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:36,880 happen. There's environmental studies and so on and so forth that have to 311 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,400 happen. There's infrastructure that has to be brought across the river. There's 312 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:46,320 infrastructure that has to be installed on the north side. So it's uh that in 313 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:50,640 itself is probably a seven to eight year project 314 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:56,240 uh if we were starting yesterday. So these are all things just for us to 315 00:24:52,640 --> 00:25:03,600 consider these this is where the growth can happen. How that happens uh unfolds 316 00:25:00,159 --> 00:25:07,440 at the discussion at the state. correct statement or 317 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:13,880 » Yeah, generally I agree with that. >> Thank you. 318 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,880 So, any other questions or comments? 319 00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:25,200 So, did you uh want to move on to the other part of the report if we're 320 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:31,120 done with this slide or 321 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:34,480 excuse me, is there an opportunity for us to uh for the public to comment on 322 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,360 this? >> We'll we'll have uh we'll read through 323 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:45,600 the master plan here and see what happens. There's a is there anything in 324 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:48,960 here for the public to Julia or is this just for council public will have an 325 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:53,440 opportunity at another time? >> The purpose of the meeting is for 326 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,679 council to endorse projected. There's no other question period in special 327 00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:02,320 meetings. >> So not at this time. 328 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:07,520 So uh are we moving on to the other part? I have another package here that 329 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:10,880 has a lot of uh documentation in it. Is or is that just 330 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:15,840 » part of this? as part of this. >> So that was the complete Okay. Cuz I've 331 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:20,320 got another 20 pages on the other side here. So 332 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:25,279 » there was a PowerPoint um summary and then there was the actual projections. 333 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:30,559 » Yeah. Okay. So that's not we're not discussing that was just for us to 334 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:35,200 review. So any questions or comments from 335 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:39,039 members while we have does Aqua have anything that they would like to add to 336 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:43,120 the conversation? Is there anything that you'd like to input or 337 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:49,840 » cover everything that we have discussed? Sorry, I'm also new to this um project 338 00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:56,080 um as you're aware. So yeah, I just started working with JR. So we just uh 339 00:26:52,799 --> 00:27:01,279 » I agree what they've done. So >> So this uh what's the next step after 340 00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:04,480 this? So how are we going to proceed and how we're uh how we're going to get 341 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:09,360 further input from the public? as you can see that or here there's interest 342 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:15,360 for uh people to weigh in and have conversation on this. So can you perhaps 343 00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:18,240 give us a little uh guidance on what the next steps are and what the 344 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:23,919 opportunities are moving forward? >> Absolutely. I'm happy to. So the 345 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:26,320 infrastructure master plan um is we're coming with a framework for how growth 346 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:30,000 will happen and then what the infrastructure that's tied to it in a 347 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:33,919 clear and transparent way. >> Part of this project we have two public 348 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,880 information centers that will be held The first one will be a conclusion of 349 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:40,000 what we call phase one, which is our problem definition and opportunity 350 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:44,080 statement. >> Okay. So, that'll be that'll be the 351 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,200 first initial opportunity for the public. 352 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,039 » Correct. >> And we're going to give them well 353 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:52,720 advanced notice so that they have that opportunity to put in their schedule so 354 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,840 they can attend if they wish to do so. >> Minimum two weeks notice. 355 00:27:54,000 --> 00:28:00,399 » Two weeks notice. So, you'll have a twoe notice period before that happens. Sorry 356 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:04,960 for interrupting, but I just wanted to make sure we're clear. Go ahead. Timing 357 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:09,120 for that currently would be a draft of that public information session as a 358 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:13,520 project team we should have it in October targeting end of October to 359 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,360 beginning of November first week. >> Okay, 360 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,240 » that's when that will be out. >> Okay. 361 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:24,159 » Um the second one conclusion of the master plan is currently going till May 362 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:28,640 2027. So be somewhere near the end there. Um April or May is when our 363 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:32,799 second public information center will be held. That's where we'll take the 364 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:36,880 findings from the problem opportunity statement. We'll develop alternatives. 365 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:41,279 How do we service this? Rank them against each other, select what we 366 00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:45,760 believe to be the preferred, present it to the public for input on, hey, what 367 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:50,880 what do you think of what we have here for feedback, collect that feedback, and 368 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:57,600 then work it back into the final report that gets posted for 30-day review. And 369 00:28:53,360 --> 00:29:04,240 could you perhaps uh uh uh let us understand why uh that length of 370 00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:08,960 time is needed because I think we were we were hopeful that we would have 371 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:13,600 something uh presented earlier than that uh sort of pre-budget for discussions 372 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,399 for the next term of council so the next term of council understands what the 373 00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:24,080 investments are going to be needed moving forward. So, can you uh perhaps 374 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:29,520 fill in some of the gaps of why there's such a long period from start to finish? 375 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:34,240 » Yeah. Um, it's typically how long it takes us to get through all of the 376 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:38,720 information. Um, growth projections, digest your infrastructure, take a look 377 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:41,600 at the constraints, understand what the problems are. 378 00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:45,679 » Um, host a public information session, get 379 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:50,559 the feedback to incorporate, and then advance to the next stage. um using 380 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:55,279 we're going to develop um modeling tools of the water distribution system and the 381 00:29:52,399 --> 00:30:00,960 wastewater collection system, apply this growth um to those tools and 382 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:06,159 then see where the problems arise and then give us time to think about okay 383 00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:13,600 well how could we um address this whether it's upgrades to pipes um 384 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:16,880 redoing another street somewhere else discussions with public works if there's 385 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:21,120 a street that's in need of renewal potentially dropped infrastructure could 386 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:26,880 be located there. So you start aligning >> um your public works projects um in a 387 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:31,919 clear kind of logical sense. >> Um yeah, this is typically the timeline 388 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:33,679 that it takes us to get through u master plan. 389 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,200 » And as you're moving through that timeline, is there an opportunity for 390 00:30:35,986 --> 00:30:42,640 [clears throat] the information that you've gathered to be in a position for 391 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:51,120 staff to be able to apply for grants so that we can move these uh things along? 392 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:55,520 uh in a more rapid pace potentially or do we have to wait? 393 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:58,480 » We can we can work with staff um to help if there's grant opportunities that are 394 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:02,159 arising while we're still working through the master plan. 395 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:08,159 » Um typically um in our experience like 396 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:13,279 successful grants they're they're they're supported by having master plan 397 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:17,520 class assessments like completed and here's the reference document. um that 398 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,399 the approval besides are looking for like oh yeah there's there's a lot of 399 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:26,000 thought has gone into this to understand that there's I guess less risk of this 400 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:31,120 project um not proceeding >> and would this uh information you're 401 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,600 gathering uh be able to be intertwined with the county as the countyy's moving 402 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,200 forward because I know there's discussions going to be happening and 403 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:42,480 the timeline for the delivery of this final package is not till next May as 404 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:47,360 according to you but I think the county's planning on engaging with the 405 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,919 municipality starting is it November uh Miss Plumbley? I think November or 406 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:55,600 something >> that they're reaching out. So, is there 407 00:31:52,080 --> 00:32:01,279 an opportunity to sort of sh uh share that information as it develops uh with 408 00:31:58,159 --> 00:32:04,399 the county so that uh the two can better align? 409 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:09,360 » I don't see why not. Um because that schedule itself like we be through the 410 00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:12,880 phase one component um using the growth projections to determine problems 411 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,799 opportunities. um you could take it and yeah feed it 412 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:20,000 back into the county to say well this is what we're anticipating for broke. 413 00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:24,559 » So you just need an invite from staff to do so 414 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:27,919 » if that's something that uh yeah um the village is interested in our support on 415 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:31,360 we can absolutely talk about accommodating that. 416 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,159 » Okay perfect. Go ahead. Uh I think councelor girl had her hand up first and 417 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,039 then we'll go to deputy mayor. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I was just in terms of 418 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:40,960 public engagement as well, I was reading the uh little notice on our uh that 419 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:45,279 showed up on our agenda yesterday is that they're also welcome to contact 420 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:49,039 members of the team as well. You guys have your emails provided here. 421 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:53,600 » Um that's my understanding. The way I'm reading it, um they can contact members 422 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:57,200 of the city team listed below anytime uh with comments or questions as 423 00:32:55,502 --> 00:33:00,880 [clears throat] well. Okay. in in working uh to develop a public 424 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:06,080 consultation plan, there's also a desire like we want to post anything that we're 425 00:33:03,679 --> 00:33:11,039 doing whether it's memos, reports, the findings 426 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:15,360 » on um the township website. So all of this will be available for download and 427 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:18,399 if there's any members stakeholders uh regulatory authorities that are 428 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:22,480 interested in a project given its proximity where it is that means they 429 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:27,039 can reach out to shar and we will add them to our stakeholder list but it's 430 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,640 circulated on notices as well. >> Okay. 431 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:33,919 » Yeah. I noticed that it was on the notice yesterday so it is available for 432 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:40,159 it is publicly available. So, I'm I'm curious what alignment looks like 433 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:48,200 between the the county growth projection and this growth projection. How would 434 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,200 you see those two numbers aligning? 435 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,440 » It's a difficult question to answer. 436 00:33:54,559 --> 00:34:00,480 » My understanding how the county comes up with their growth projections is they're 437 00:33:58,159 --> 00:34:04,399 getting them from the province. Treasury Department saying to all of the 438 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:08,320 upper tier municipalities, this is what your growth is going to be. 439 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:11,280 » And then they go and they diving it up amongst all of the lower tier 440 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:16,320 municipalities. Um, and in practice, what we see in 441 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:20,320 other communities is it's the larger urban centers get the lion share of the 442 00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:25,440 growth because they have the resources, the capacity built in to accommodate 443 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:30,000 home. Um, that's typically how it's going. having this I think it gives 444 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:35,280 opportunity to to facilitate a discussion to be like well there is 445 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:39,119 interest here's what it is so far um and I think as we've discussed like the 446 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:43,440 nearer term there's more certainty as you go longer it's becomes to a certain 447 00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:44,399 part aspirational this is what we could do 448 00:34:44,233 --> 00:34:48,480 » [clears throat] >> um so it can help advance that 449 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,679 conversation >> okay 450 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:55,599 » I [snorts] think perhaps beyond that with the interest that's [clears throat] 451 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:59,280 happening in Chemville will uh and the connection with the county roads, uh 452 00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:04,720 we're going to have a lot of uh increased volume of traffic. So even if 453 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:10,800 we're not growing at a at a large rate, investment through the county 454 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:14,720 opportunity through county roads is uh an absolute for us because of that 455 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:18,240 volume of traffic that we're going to see with the growth that's happening in 456 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:23,359 North Grenville. And there's similar interest in Smith Falls. So we're sort 457 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:29,040 of sandwiched in between two growth areas. Smith Falls is growing at a more 458 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:36,880 normal pace and Campill seems to be on steroids and it's it's expanding uh its 459 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:42,640 its growth uh exponentially. So, you know, in a perspective county, I think 460 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:48,240 this information and projections along with the fact that we have a lot of flow 461 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:54,000 through traffic. So, there's going to be some need and uh identification on what 462 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:59,200 the county needs to do to support the smaller 463 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:05,200 village area in [clears throat] terms of county roads because the county roads 464 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:11,280 are essential to try and get that traffic moving forward and flowing out 465 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:16,160 so we're not uh sitting in long traffic jams. So that's the interest that I 466 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:20,000 would have at the county is to ensure that there's still that investment going 467 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:25,280 on. Yes, we have some potential. Yes, we're going to grow, but we need support 468 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:29,440 uh for other reasons as well. So I think that all that information should be 469 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:35,880 relative uh in the conversation that we're having at the upper tier in my 470 00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:35,880 opinion. Yeah. Thank you. 471 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:39,560 Anything further 472 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:45,760 missing? Do you have anything further to add? 473 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:51,760 » No, I think I I believe the clarification is if we proceed in this 474 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:54,640 path, it does not commit us to >> moving forward with the growth 475 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:59,440 projections that are here. It's just it's just a way for us to commence the 476 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:03,599 study and use the data uh with the understanding that 477 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:07,920 it is just they are just estimates and possibilities and whether we even want 478 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:12,320 them or not, who knows? after we have the in public information sessions have 479 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:19,599 a better understanding of of the next steps. Is that is that basically? 480 00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:23,280 » Yeah, it's it's just generally fair. Um I guess maybe a part I would add is like 481 00:37:21,359 --> 00:37:27,359 when it comes to like communal water wastewater infrastructure while our 482 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:30,960 focus is a 20-year timeline, we typically don't bury this infrastructure 483 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:35,200 to last only 20 years. >> It lasts a lot longer. Mhm. 484 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:40,640 » So looking at a we'll call it aspirational growth is is beneficial to 485 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:44,680 help you align uh infrastructure projects to allow this. 486 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:56,240 » Yeah. So just uh I think for further thought is 487 00:37:52,320 --> 00:38:00,560 just uh just add to what Miss Plumbing was saying a few minutes ago. I mean uh 488 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:04,560 whether we have to, we don't have to, what have you, we do have a situation 489 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:09,040 where we have a lot of infrastructure that needs to be renewed and uh we've 490 00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:13,920 collected an enormous [clears throat] amount of data that tells us this and 491 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:18,079 downloading that to the current tax base is going to be extremely 492 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:25,280 challenging for the tax base. So growth is necessary in some form. How we better 493 00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:30,720 how we manage that u will unfold as we move forward. But it also gives council 494 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:35,280 and the next council and council after that ideas where the the limited 495 00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:41,359 infrastructure dollars that we're going to have should be invested so that we 496 00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:46,240 are meeting the possibility of uh that growth and uh we're ready for it and 497 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:52,000 we're not overwhelmed by it. So I think uh 498 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:57,440 some kind of a strategic focus on what you've identified here is 499 00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:02,880 is an absolute conversation that needs to happen at the table. 500 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:07,520 So, uh, and Miss Plumbley, you have no problem moving that, uh, including them, 501 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:12,000 uh, in conversations with the county so that we can get better 502 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:16,079 » alignment to understand because we we need the county to start 503 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,359 » putting infrastructure dollars on our county roads. 504 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:22,560 » This this is why this meeting is very timely because they are looking for 505 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:26,320 input. This is the kind of input that will be valuable moving forward. 506 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,640 » Yeah. because it is important because of the growth happening in Campville 507 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:36,079 because Campville will be absorbing a majority of that infrastructure growth 508 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:41,119 money through the counties in their areas with all the county roads they 509 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:46,240 have. So, uh I don't think uh we can afford to wait another 15 or 20 years 510 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:51,920 for to have our county roads u looked at. 511 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:55,040 So, if there's nothing further, I thank you for coming out making the 512 00:39:53,599 --> 00:40:00,640 presentation. We look forward to your next presentation. And when can we uh 513 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:05,200 when are we going to receive you again? What was the October? 514 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:08,240 » Yeah, the next opportunity would be um end of October, beginning of November at 515 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:11,359 the public information center. >> Focus need. 516 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:15,920 » Yeah. And as councelor Gur pointed out that if the general public has any 517 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:19,119 comments or wishes to engage, they have the opportunity to that. All that 518 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:23,280 information is on the website, right? So we don't have to wait for the actual 519 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:27,760 public uh open house. you can uh pre-engage and and uh and move your 520 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,800 questions and hopefully get the answers that you're seeking. 521 00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:35,760 » Deputy Mayor, go ahead. >> So, there is a motion to endorse 522 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:41,599 » the number in this report. >> Not there yet. 523 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:47,680 » Um once we get there, I would like to um first of all, I want to comment again 524 00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:54,720 on those two parcels 13 and 14. um 14 in particular is affected by the 525 00:40:50,800 --> 00:41:01,680 the flood plane. It's also affected by um required setbacks for the railroad. 526 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:07,920 So the the number of available units in those two parcels are going to be 527 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:14,560 lowered. Um and given that the report and the forecasts are for 20 years, I 528 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:19,280 would like us to consider removing 13 and 14. 529 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:26,400 um [clears throat] from the total so that it will be easier to align the this 530 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:31,359 number with what the county is considering. Um it's still a high 531 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:37,280 number. It would still demonstrate that we've got an enormous capacity for 532 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:44,960 growth whether or not it becomes in effect or not. Um, but I 533 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:51,839 would feel that those two parcels being so far out on the horizon that they 534 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:55,839 shouldn't affect our plans right now. Quite frankly, I find the five and the 535 00:41:53,599 --> 00:42:00,160 10-year plans to be pretty aggressive. Knowing the the background and the 536 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:06,319 history of how development evolves in Meritville Wolfford, it is quite slow. 537 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:10,949 Um, but I can I can appreciate that we want to do some planning a little bit 538 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:15,680 earlier rather than too late. [clears throat] And so I would put it to 539 00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:21,440 council that we reduce um 540 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:28,760 the 10 to 20 forecast by removing parcels 13 and 14 from this particular 541 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,760 planning stage. 542 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:37,079 » So you're putting that question out there? 543 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:37,079 » I am. So thought is council. 544 00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:47,119 » I have thoughts but I'll you get to go first. [snorts] 545 00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:50,880 » Yeah. I would think by leaving it in there, it gives us a better opportunity 546 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:56,480 to pursue grants from the government as far as showing that we are a location 547 00:42:53,920 --> 00:43:01,440 that has great growth potential and if we're going to expand that plant, um it 548 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:07,760 looks like we need to at some point anyway. So, um they would be much more 549 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:15,400 amenable to a grant to help us do that if uh it shows the projections are are 550 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,400 higher. 551 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,400 as a girl. 552 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:27,520 » Um either way, I understand um where Deputy May is coming from because the it 553 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:34,240 is more than 20 years. It's that's the cross-hatched [clears throat] ones are 554 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:37,680 20 years plus. Um and and uh we want to look at it. I personally have a problem 555 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:42,960 with looking at a whole picture because once again this is not committing us to 556 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:47,440 anything. This is just looking forward in 30 years from now. Um, you know, 557 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:53,119 planners looking at least they have some kind of uh like there's plans and cities 558 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:56,800 all over that go for decades. Uh, so going decades ahead and I don't see a 559 00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:59,440 huge problem with it, but I'm immunable either way. 560 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,280 M >> I I guess the main reason that I'd like 561 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:07,520 to leave it in is when you're looking at big picture and when the United counties 562 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:10,720 are looking at this big picture when they're trying to get their through 563 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,599 roads if they're ever going to re-evaluate how we're going to get 564 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:17,280 traffic around Marrickville. I think it would be beneficial to have that left in 565 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:21,200 there so they realize there is a potential there could be residential 566 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:24,800 areas over there as well. >> Okay. And I just want to remind council 567 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:28,000 that uh leaving the lands in doesn't mean we're developing it. that you 568 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:34,079 wouldn't be moving forward with that until you have secured infrastructure on 569 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:37,040 the north side. And that's in reality, I know there's some people 570 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:42,000 that don't want to hear that, but it's it's decades or so out. And you need to 571 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:47,359 have identified potential 572 00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:52,960 uh within the municipality if you're going to go after uh provincial grants. 573 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:57,359 So provincial grants are based on what the cap what your possibilities are. So 574 00:44:55,119 --> 00:45:01,760 if you remove your possibilities, you remove remove your opportunity for 575 00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:07,040 grants. And I think this is an identified urban area, nothing's going 576 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:10,960 to happen there until the infrastructure actually goes across the river. And when 577 00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:15,920 that does go across the river, it could be decades before anything happens. So 578 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:20,720 it's it's nothing that is going to be developed tomorrow. We're not going to 579 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:26,880 see all kinds of uh hi ho out there digging holes. It's uh decades away. and 580 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:31,760 and uh a master plan is an opportunity for councils to understand what the 581 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:36,400 future are going to be and where infrastructure dollars should be 582 00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:42,720 invested for that future. So I I think we should leave it in. 583 00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:50,079 » I I just want to address the fact that this plan has a a shelf life of 20 584 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:57,280 years. So we would be looking at the lands all over again 585 00:45:52,880 --> 00:46:03,440 probably 10 years down the road. Um so why build a plan now for things that 586 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:09,440 aren't going to happen is is my only concern. Um given the time span that 587 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:12,702 both the county and this report is looking at. [clears throat] 588 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:18,880 » Appreciate it. But I don't think it it's necessarily committing us to build a 589 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:24,960 plan. It's giving identity to what the possibilities are 590 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:30,400 in infrastructure needed in the future. And if those possibilities are still 591 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:35,359 there, it's like everything else. Every document is uh is uh comes up for 592 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:40,400 renewal and redisussion. We don't know what's going to happen 5, 10, 15, 20 593 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:45,599 years out, but this this is what you do. You put a plan out. You look at 594 00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:51,599 projections and possibilities and opportunities and that guides council 595 00:46:48,017 --> 00:46:57,680 [clears throat] in how it's going to move forward. There's a lot of lands 596 00:46:53,440 --> 00:47:01,200 that are already been given capacity. We're doing a lot of work on the system 597 00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:05,040 to uh tighten up the system because it's 598 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:09,520 leaking. We know that. And as we move forward, uh we're going to need that 599 00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:15,200 growth to help pay for that infrastructure uh renewal and upgrade. 600 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:20,240 So nothing's going to happen overnight. And 601 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:24,480 these projections are long-term as we've discussed a lot at the table here. It's 602 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:29,920 some plan that needs to be developed. We've asked JL Richardson to make those 603 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:37,280 projections for us. That's the I guess the gist of a of a master plan is to 604 00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:41,280 make councils aware of where they should invest and what the possibilities are 605 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:45,200 for the future pretty much. 606 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:49,680 » Yeah. Okay. [sighs] So, I think everybody's still satisfied 607 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:55,839 with the way we're we're moving forward. So if there's nothing new or further to 608 00:47:51,839 --> 00:47:59,280 add, I think what we'll do is uh uh we'll go in and and we'll read the 609 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:02,160 motion that the council of the corporation of 610 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:06,400 the village of Marville Wolfer received for information the master plan master 611 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:11,359 infrastructure plan population growth projection summary from JL Richardson 612 00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:18,000 and that council endorses the growth uh projections as listed in the population 613 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:25,040 projection report prepared by JLR in con in consultation with the village 614 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:31,319 aqua staff dated July 22, 2026 for the use in advance of infrastructure master 615 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,319 plan. May I have a mover, please? 616 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,880 » Okay. >> No, we haven't we haven't done that yet, 617 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,480 council. So, you're going to move it? >> I'll move it. 618 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,160 » Second, please. >> I'll second. 619 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:45,920 » Moved and seconded. So, do we have any com further comments or questions from 620 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:52,559 staff or sorry, from uh members? None. So, I'll call the vote. All in favor? 621 00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:56,640 All opposed. Scared. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. We 622 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,520 appreciate you coming out. So, um, looking forward to our next engagement 623 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,640 and conversation. Thank you. >> Thanks for having me. 624 00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:06,000 » You're welcome, sir. Uh, we're going to move on to confirming bylaw 47, 2026 625 00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:08,559 that the [clears throat] council of the corporation of the village of Merville 626 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:13,119 Wolfer give first, second, third, final reading of bylaw 47, 20226 being a bylaw 627 00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:16,880 to confirm the proceedings of council for the special meeting of July 28, 628 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:20,160 2026. and further that authorization be given to the mayor clerk to sign coal 629 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:24,880 and place in the bylaw book for the municipality bylaw 47206. 630 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,119 May I have a mover please? Move. Thank you. Second, please. 631 00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:31,280 » Second. >> Thank you. Call the vote. All in favor? 632 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,880 Carried. And we'll go on to adjournment that the council the corporation of the 633 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,640 village of meritable adjourn at birth please. 634 00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:39,920 » 349. >> 349. 635 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,319 May I have a mover? >> I'll move it. 636 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:46,000 » Thank you. [clears throat] Second. Thank you. Call the vote. Call in favor.