Going to call the meeting to order. We're looking for approval of the agenda
for the special council meeting held July 28,2026
to be approved as presented. May I have a mover, please?
» I'll move. >> Thank you. Seconded. Moved and seconded.
Comments or questions for members, please.
» Call the vote. All in favor? It's carried. Thank you. Going to move on to
disclosure of pecuring interest and general nature thereof. Does any member
have a interest to declare and if so, what's the general nature of that
interest? No declaration. So we'll move on to four
motions for consideration that the council of the corporation of the
village of America receive the motions for consideration documented as
presented. May I have a mover please? >> I'll move.
» Thank you. Second, please. Thank you. Comments or questions, members? None.
We'll move on to the vote. All in favor? Carrie.
Number five, Marville master infrastructure plan population growth
projection summary. I will now invite Mark Buchanan from JL Richardson to
provide a presentation on the population growth projection summary report. Mark,
the floor is all yours, sir. Thank you. And thank you for coming in person.
» Hey, welcome. Thanks for having me. Glad to be here to talk about I guess an
important part of the infrastructure master plan. Um the population
projections kind of undermine kind undermine but um are the foundation that
the whole plan is based on. So it sets the table for like what we're going to
assess from your water based water infrastructure. So I guess with that we
put together a short presentation to kind of accompany the the memo we put
together that summarized here was the growth projections and how we came up
with them um for the village of Marville.
» So starting it off some of the the key things like kind of
our approach and our assumptions that went into it. Um these form the basis
that we're going to use to assess the infrastructure master plan. These
population projections um the data we're putting in here from
the figures and the tables we we've summarized them from input from village
staff. So I want to make it clear like JL Richards isn't coming up with this to
say this is how Marville grows. It's being informed by what the community is
hearing what's coming from developers interest in the area. It's not us saying
it. It's this is this is your community telling us this is you know
um where um I guess the other important
piece is we're using the official plan to try and guide and steer where
densities and unit developments will be going. We're not creating anything new.
We're adhering to current um plans. Um where we didn't have any information um
such as um unit d like people per unit the unit density we looked at statistic
Canada for maru specific and it said well it's about 2.1 people per unit. So
we use that to fill in a data gap. >> Um the other assumption that's in here
for properties that are zoned are two. Um the official plan allows up to four
units on that development. Feedback from staff is well we're planning for we're
going to allow one one unit to go in there. So we've taken that assumption in
the plan. Um for 10 to 20 year development
timelines. So kind of the furthest timeline we were looking at for growth
projections. Um the official plan allows for a range of
unit densities. So what we were in talking with staff was well let's look
at low and medium. So we took an average of of those two
to come up with how many units would go on this vacant land.
And then the final piece of the assumptions in here is we put this
together based on the best information we have so far. Um as we work through
the master plan and I some of the bigger items at the bottom um flood plane
limits for any development that's along the river. we would update that to
reduce what the developable areas is because we don't want to develop in a
foot. So we'll shrink those areas accordingly. Um and if there's anything
else but archaeological natural heritage say wetland we'll adjust those lands
accordingly. That would adjust the development areas we're showing here.
» Yeah that's the say the primary for what went into the the growth projections as
next slide. So in going through them, we we broke
them up into timelines. So our study, we're looking at a 20-year projection
out for the village. So we broke it up into three timelines. The first one
we're looking at is 0 to 5 years. These are areas that are um either approved
for capacity and under construction um or they're approved for capacity, they
aren't under construction or there's been capacity requested. So this is
probably the most certainty in development because this is what this is
everybody's aware of what's coming. So we've kind of thrown them on a map of
the village and highlighted them in green. These are the development areas
that would be looking um to grow in the next you know the near term 0 to 5
years. Um [clears throat] in the table generally it sums up to it's about 205
units or 475 people.
» Do you want to introduce your >> Oh sorry.
» I know. [laughter] Sorry. >> Oh good. [clears throat] So Shose from
Aqua. um we're working with on this this important job she's served.
» Welcome. >> Thank you.
» Thanks, darling. >> Mayor,
» absolutely.
» So, the next timeline I guess is there any questions so far? Like I'll be uh
» anybody have any questions? >> Wait till the end. Yes.
» Okay. So, the next timeline 5 to 10 years. Um, so in the figure we tried to
leave the green areas on there to show that was what the 05 was. And then
anything that's 5 to 10 is kind of the the yellowy orange colors. Um, they're
generally vacant lots that were available within the the urban boundary,
the urban urban area of the rank. Um again it consists of approved capacity
capacity requested um probably a smaller total um of 42 units 119 people for this
timeline um which is less than what's in the 05 and the lowest of all of the
projections.
Thanks J. And then the last timeline we have is um 10 to 20 years. So the
furthest out in the plan in here that's all of the blue areas um
that are identified as being expected for growth. Um again a range of there's
89 lots have been requested capacity. Um 193 um there's no capacity approved or
requested but they're available lands that is anticipated to grow in 10 to 20
years. Um, and then there's some vacant lands that total up to about 886 units.
Um, and I think the biggest projection on this timeline is growing across the
RTO River um to those blocks that are 13 labeled 13 and 14 in the figure. Um, in
total for 10 to 20 years, it's 1,168 units or just over 2400 people.
And that's the short synopsis of the growth projections for the
infrastructure master plan. Happy to take in the questions and discuss.
» Any questions for members?
» Go ahead, counselor. >> I guess when you're doing the growth
projections, what factors do you take in consideration? Is it just what lots we
have available and what sort of stage are development or do you look at the
census scan and the trends of the population
um federally? >> No. So there was no analysis on like a
federal level of data. Um the only piece of stat scan data that we used was just
to inform if there was an unknown on um how many people would be going in a
unit. um
what we took in trying to develop the the growth projections is what the
public works department was getting um particularly in the near term uh 05 5 to
10 was like yeah there's requests for these lands to be developed there's
requests for uh capacity on the water wastewater systems and then outside of
that what is informing it is we're maintaining growth has to stay within
the urban boundary
go ahead >> so rather than talking about it as a a
growth projection. It's really evaluating the capacity based on empty
square footage, empty empty empty lots, empty acreage, and you're allocating
[clears throat] x number of dwelling units based on the official plan for y
number of acres or lots. >> Correct. So, so this is very different
from a growth projection where we look at past historical trends. Uh people
leaving the the municipality, entering, dying, retiring elsewhere.
So, it's really just a capacity. How much land do we have? How many people
can we put on it? [clears throat] So how
how does that number whatever number we [clears throat] determine
how does that number affect the plan or the master infrastructure plan?
» So the numbers we have now we can take them and then we can start comparing
them to as we go out in time. How much capacity
does the water plant have or the wastewater plant? How does it affect
your trunk wastewater sewers or pressures and fire flowability of the in
your distribution system? We can take this information now and we can use it
in the master plan to say well here's where we think there's going to be
problems or none um moving forward in time with this um growth.
[clears throat] >> Go ahead counsel.
» Yeah. So to to build on that is essentially that it gives us um working
on on this and like I'm I'm looking it's a little bit malleable too as we go
forward because you're talking about taking flood plane um agricultural land
that types of things into consideration as we go
» not agricultural sorry >> although it was written up there I was
just saying it was written up in >> we put it
» yeah would be um so I mean like the five zero to five years highly likely uh the
5 to 10 is
maybe likely depending on economics, that type of thing. And then the 10 to
20 is where we have room should we require it. And so what this is helping
us to come up with plans going forward depending on how if if suddenly we
saying the growth rate is um you know suddenly speeding up or something we we
have a plan and um kind of options to consider going ahead versus um or if
it's very stagnant and just stays really we have a plan but uh we're not locked
into our >> I'd say absolutely um the timelines we
use um they almost give it context that like we can all relate with because we
all understand time >> 1 year 2 years 5 years 10 years where it
actually lands it from a technical standpoint on engineering it doesn't
really make a difference to us the amount of like water waste water
generated or required from the people that's what we care about and those are
the numbers then that we start spitting out and comparing to what's available
» and then the time just kind of gives you something that we can all understand of
Well, based on this much growth in these areas, this is the the list of projects
that would be anticipated that gives you a plan to make informed decisions as
that growth happens. >> Okay.
» Go ahead. >> So, as you know, it's it's in your
report, the the United Counties have projected a very different number for
growth um within the municipality as a whole.
So, what happens if if their numbers are closer to being correct, but we've
planned for 3,000 people to be on the system? I I don't want to see a plan
that overestimates so much. And I agree with overestimating enough to
accommodate some surprises so we're not cut caught short. But that seems like an
extreme number to plan for if our growth actually turns out to be something that
is what the county is telling us. >> Correct.
» It gives versatility I would say in decision- making. um is what it what it
allows for. Um it can be aspirational. It can be um if
there is interest in an area, it can also give data to um this council,
future council staff to inform those potential developers like here's what
you're up against uh to try and service those lands.
Um certainly as part of the the county's uh
draft um [clears throat] county's growth projections um I think one of the lines
in their report was also it would be beneficial to get backfed from this this
work to say what is the capacity that is available to support growth and that
they could refine their numbers >> more. Um but but yes it definitely is
it's more than what is in the county.
And and what happens if we don't pick 3,32
for population projection,
but if we pick a lower number,
we plan for what the lower number will be. Okay. So, we, you know, we just need
to be on the intent of this is we just want to be on the same page with this is
what the community is interested in. This is what we're going to plan for and
this is then what the master plan u infrastructure master plan will work
towards um to give you information to make decisions. So, um we we by no means
are looking to push what the growth projection is for the community at all.
It's it's what do you want to plan for? Any
other questions for members? >> Mine's been answered. Thanks.
» Okay. Um, just for uh a little bit of clarification because we did discuss uh
the county's approach and it's been brought back to the table here. Uh, Miss
Plumbley, since the county was engaged with staff, how much of this information
is provided to JL Richardson was uh supplied to the county? Because if if
they had the same information, then I'm not understanding the
difference. >> The what's presented here is what would
be allowed under our current official plan.
» It wasn't presented to the county. >> What was presented to the county was
basically the one to five year or 0 to 5 years.
» No, no, 10 years. What we knew for sure >> that's what was presented to the county.
These are projections based on on land availability according to our official
plan. >> Okay. So, as I know, the county was
looking at long-term investments, and that's what the that's what the growth
management plan was for the counties, including all 10 municipalities, was how
was the county going to invest infrastructure dollars in the
infrastructure in support of growth uh throughout the 10 municipalities in
United, and Brenville. If they weren't supplied with this information,
the long-term information, it's harder for them to start planning on what roads
they're going to tackle. All the all the roads coming in are all county roads.
So, it needs to be understood what the pressures may or may or may not be
because we >> that's why this timing
» it happens. It happens and depends on developers what they want to buy and how
they want to develop it and so on and so forth. But that would be relative
information for them to have. So at the county level, they know how much money
they should be putting aside for county road 15, 16, and 43
and 41. Go ahead. >> Yeah. So I I note in the appendix that
um areas labeled 13 and 14, the blue hash marks
in the staff listing of those two parcels. they staff sees those as being
beyond 20 years. Um, and I know that the the growth plan
at the county is kind of capped at 201. So, I can see why those two parcels
would not be forwarded on to onto the county and and I'd like to understand
why they show up in this report. >> Very good question. Because our scope or
mandate was 20 years. became a question of are we including
them in the plan >> or or not
» I think beyond um it's labeled in the appendix
as beyond 20 years for development according to village staff
» correct >> and that be all relative to interest
from the private sector so I mean we can say that might be
something that's looked at 20 years from now. But if there's we all see small uh
little rural villages and towns all of a sudden uh they go from zero to thousands
of homes and that those um predictions are always long-term predictions but it
depends on the interest and what's happening in around the other
municipalities that border us as well. So I mean these things could could
accelerate or they could take longer than what you're projecting. Is
[clears throat] that correct? >> I'd say I'd say that's fair. It depends
on the the social, demographic, economical conditions that exist that
may bring a development area to become more
attractive. What what may be insurmountable right now may become
easier in the future depending on unknowns.
» And another determining factor is that these are all u privately owned lands.
So they're not within the municipality's uh scope to uh manage them what they'd
like to do. It's all based on the official plan and the interest from uh
the neighboring developers I would say. [sighs and gasps]
» Correct or incorrect? >> I I generally would agree. I believe uh
um there was a development charges bylaw was recently passed like that would help
in informing well if you're going to connect to the system this is this is
the cost that should be shared by uh potential developer to get capacity. So
that would be a consideration uh that would go into a potentially business
case of someone who wants to develop something.
» Yeah. And and this is just basically for us to understand the possibility and
when we do have available infrastructure monies uh that we're investing in in the
right direction, the right space just in case uh these projections become truth.
» Correct. Thank you. If it's your vote now, go ahead.
Yeah, I just uh under the 20-y year um projection there, primarily the stuff in
the blue, I know there's some that uh see one set of the 20 years, 193 units
proposed, no capacity requested or uh granted. At the time, there's 886,
I think, parcels that just are vacant. Um and that's just as potential uh on
here. It's it's within our urban boundary, but it's potential, but it's
there's not there's no movement on whatsoever. That's just uh what what
what we're talking about.
» I think that um if we didn't include the the lands on the north side of the
river, um I think we'd have been asked why didn't you? So, if you if we don't
put it in there now, the question would have been raised, well, why didn't you
why didn't you consider that when you looked at this? Yeah, we need to to look
at all the possibilities because that's how we plan long term.
» Yeah. >> What the what the reality is and how
they play out is is uh is um something that's in the control of uh the people
that own the land and how they want to sell it or who wants to buy it and
develop it. And the lands across north side are for sale now. [clears throat]
So,
Um, so I have to admit I'm a little bit ignorant as to what a master
infrastructure plan looks like, what's what the what the content is. So I guess
my my concern right now is if we use this larger number and we plan for that
larger number, if that triggers that larger number triggers the need for a
sewage treatment plant expansion, are we now committing to
um expanding the sewage treatment plant with only, you know, the next five years
of um user fees and development charges?
is. >> So if we're planning on a really big
scope of development and we don't achieve that,
how much are we committed towards making that plan happen with a smaller resource
base? >> Fair. Um [clears throat]
say yeah, it's a it's a similar question most municipalities face.
It doesn't commit you to you have to do this. The urban boundaries established,
the official plans established. it technically allows for this type of
growth. The infrastructure master plan is just giving you the road map of well
if this actually happens the way that we're projecting it. Here's all the
infrastructure projects you're going to need. here's the additional studies
you're going to have to pursue and here's the designs that would have to go
with them um in an approximate timeline based on the timelines we've outlined
and I believe we would have no obligations uh to service lands that we
don't have capacity within our plant so that would be uh if our if and when our
plant reaches the maximum capacity and there's still lands to be developed and
there's requests for that uh we're not obligated to increase the size of the
plant to meet that uh demand or are we uh putting ourselves in a
position when that plant reaches a capacity that we're going to have to
upgrade it to continue to move forward? Is that something that we're we
absolutely have to do or is that something we can decide to do as a uh as
a municipality? >> I believe it would become a decision of
municipality. Yeah, because you're obligated. you have to operate in
accordance with the regulatory requirements and if you're at capacity
you would be um reckless to continue to add capacity to it without understanding
like no we need to grow it be able to treat it
» I knew the answer to the question I just wanted to set publicly so we're under no
obligation we we move as a municipality and create those opportunities within
the capacity that we have financially and with within our resources so it's up
to uh and that's why I guess you're projecting long-term 20 years plus. Uh
so it's it's decisions and discussions around a council table on how and uh how
we are going to move that forward and what we're going to at what speed we're
going to move that forward because a lot of these a lot of these uh builds on the
north side require a lot more input than just this is where uh growth is going to
happen. There's environmental studies and so on and so forth that have to
happen. There's infrastructure that has to be brought across the river. There's
infrastructure that has to be installed on the north side. So it's uh that in
itself is probably a seven to eight year project
uh if we were starting yesterday. So these are all things just for us to
consider these this is where the growth can happen. How that happens uh unfolds
at the discussion at the state. correct statement or
» Yeah, generally I agree with that. >> Thank you.
So, any other questions or comments?
So, did you uh want to move on to the other part of the report if we're
done with this slide or
excuse me, is there an opportunity for us to uh for the public to comment on
this? >> We'll we'll have uh we'll read through
the master plan here and see what happens. There's a is there anything in
here for the public to Julia or is this just for council public will have an
opportunity at another time? >> The purpose of the meeting is for
council to endorse projected. There's no other question period in special
meetings. >> So not at this time.
So uh are we moving on to the other part? I have another package here that
has a lot of uh documentation in it. Is or is that just
» part of this? as part of this. >> So that was the complete Okay. Cuz I've
got another 20 pages on the other side here. So
» there was a PowerPoint um summary and then there was the actual projections.
» Yeah. Okay. So that's not we're not discussing that was just for us to
review. So any questions or comments from
members while we have does Aqua have anything that they would like to add to
the conversation? Is there anything that you'd like to input or
» cover everything that we have discussed? Sorry, I'm also new to this um project
um as you're aware. So yeah, I just started working with JR. So we just uh
» I agree what they've done. So >> So this uh what's the next step after
this? So how are we going to proceed and how we're uh how we're going to get
further input from the public? as you can see that or here there's interest
for uh people to weigh in and have conversation on this. So can you perhaps
give us a little uh guidance on what the next steps are and what the
opportunities are moving forward? >> Absolutely. I'm happy to. So the
infrastructure master plan um is we're coming with a framework for how growth
will happen and then what the infrastructure that's tied to it in a
clear and transparent way. >> Part of this project we have two public
information centers that will be held The first one will be a conclusion of
what we call phase one, which is our problem definition and opportunity
statement. >> Okay. So, that'll be that'll be the
first initial opportunity for the public.
» Correct. >> And we're going to give them well
advanced notice so that they have that opportunity to put in their schedule so
they can attend if they wish to do so. >> Minimum two weeks notice.
» Two weeks notice. So, you'll have a twoe notice period before that happens. Sorry
for interrupting, but I just wanted to make sure we're clear. Go ahead. Timing
for that currently would be a draft of that public information session as a
project team we should have it in October targeting end of October to
beginning of November first week. >> Okay,
» that's when that will be out. >> Okay.
» Um the second one conclusion of the master plan is currently going till May
2027. So be somewhere near the end there. Um April or May is when our
second public information center will be held. That's where we'll take the
findings from the problem opportunity statement. We'll develop alternatives.
How do we service this? Rank them against each other, select what we
believe to be the preferred, present it to the public for input on, hey, what
what do you think of what we have here for feedback, collect that feedback, and
then work it back into the final report that gets posted for 30-day review. And
could you perhaps uh uh uh let us understand why uh that length of
time is needed because I think we were we were hopeful that we would have
something uh presented earlier than that uh sort of pre-budget for discussions
for the next term of council so the next term of council understands what the
investments are going to be needed moving forward. So, can you uh perhaps
fill in some of the gaps of why there's such a long period from start to finish?
» Yeah. Um, it's typically how long it takes us to get through all of the
information. Um, growth projections, digest your infrastructure, take a look
at the constraints, understand what the problems are.
» Um, host a public information session, get
the feedback to incorporate, and then advance to the next stage. um using
we're going to develop um modeling tools of the water distribution system and the
wastewater collection system, apply this growth um to those tools and
then see where the problems arise and then give us time to think about okay
well how could we um address this whether it's upgrades to pipes um
redoing another street somewhere else discussions with public works if there's
a street that's in need of renewal potentially dropped infrastructure could
be located there. So you start aligning >> um your public works projects um in a
clear kind of logical sense. >> Um yeah, this is typically the timeline
that it takes us to get through u master plan.
» And as you're moving through that timeline, is there an opportunity for
[clears throat] the information that you've gathered to be in a position for
staff to be able to apply for grants so that we can move these uh things along?
uh in a more rapid pace potentially or do we have to wait?
» We can we can work with staff um to help if there's grant opportunities that are
arising while we're still working through the master plan.
» Um typically um in our experience like
successful grants they're they're they're supported by having master plan
class assessments like completed and here's the reference document. um that
the approval besides are looking for like oh yeah there's there's a lot of
thought has gone into this to understand that there's I guess less risk of this
project um not proceeding >> and would this uh information you're
gathering uh be able to be intertwined with the county as the countyy's moving
forward because I know there's discussions going to be happening and
the timeline for the delivery of this final package is not till next May as
according to you but I think the county's planning on engaging with the
municipality starting is it November uh Miss Plumbley? I think November or
something >> that they're reaching out. So, is there
an opportunity to sort of sh uh share that information as it develops uh with
the county so that uh the two can better align?
» I don't see why not. Um because that schedule itself like we be through the
phase one component um using the growth projections to determine problems
opportunities. um you could take it and yeah feed it
back into the county to say well this is what we're anticipating for broke.
» So you just need an invite from staff to do so
» if that's something that uh yeah um the village is interested in our support on
we can absolutely talk about accommodating that.
» Okay perfect. Go ahead. Uh I think councelor girl had her hand up first and
then we'll go to deputy mayor. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I was just in terms of
public engagement as well, I was reading the uh little notice on our uh that
showed up on our agenda yesterday is that they're also welcome to contact
members of the team as well. You guys have your emails provided here.
» Um that's my understanding. The way I'm reading it, um they can contact members
of the city team listed below anytime uh with comments or questions as
[clears throat] well. Okay. in in working uh to develop a public
consultation plan, there's also a desire like we want to post anything that we're
doing whether it's memos, reports, the findings
» on um the township website. So all of this will be available for download and
if there's any members stakeholders uh regulatory authorities that are
interested in a project given its proximity where it is that means they
can reach out to shar and we will add them to our stakeholder list but it's
circulated on notices as well. >> Okay.
» Yeah. I noticed that it was on the notice yesterday so it is available for
it is publicly available. So, I'm I'm curious what alignment looks like
between the the county growth projection and this growth projection. How would
you see those two numbers aligning?
» It's a difficult question to answer.
» My understanding how the county comes up with their growth projections is they're
getting them from the province. Treasury Department saying to all of the
upper tier municipalities, this is what your growth is going to be.
» And then they go and they diving it up amongst all of the lower tier
municipalities. Um, and in practice, what we see in
other communities is it's the larger urban centers get the lion share of the
growth because they have the resources, the capacity built in to accommodate
home. Um, that's typically how it's going. having this I think it gives
opportunity to to facilitate a discussion to be like well there is
interest here's what it is so far um and I think as we've discussed like the
nearer term there's more certainty as you go longer it's becomes to a certain
part aspirational this is what we could do
» [clears throat] >> um so it can help advance that
conversation >> okay
» I [snorts] think perhaps beyond that with the interest that's [clears throat]
happening in Chemville will uh and the connection with the county roads, uh
we're going to have a lot of uh increased volume of traffic. So even if
we're not growing at a at a large rate, investment through the county
opportunity through county roads is uh an absolute for us because of that
volume of traffic that we're going to see with the growth that's happening in
North Grenville. And there's similar interest in Smith Falls. So we're sort
of sandwiched in between two growth areas. Smith Falls is growing at a more
normal pace and Campill seems to be on steroids and it's it's expanding uh its
its growth uh exponentially. So, you know, in a perspective county, I think
this information and projections along with the fact that we have a lot of flow
through traffic. So, there's going to be some need and uh identification on what
the county needs to do to support the smaller
village area in [clears throat] terms of county roads because the county roads
are essential to try and get that traffic moving forward and flowing out
so we're not uh sitting in long traffic jams. So that's the interest that I
would have at the county is to ensure that there's still that investment going
on. Yes, we have some potential. Yes, we're going to grow, but we need support
uh for other reasons as well. So I think that all that information should be
relative uh in the conversation that we're having at the upper tier in my
opinion. Yeah. Thank you.
Anything further
missing? Do you have anything further to add?
» No, I think I I believe the clarification is if we proceed in this
path, it does not commit us to >> moving forward with the growth
projections that are here. It's just it's just a way for us to commence the
study and use the data uh with the understanding that
it is just they are just estimates and possibilities and whether we even want
them or not, who knows? after we have the in public information sessions have
a better understanding of of the next steps. Is that is that basically?
» Yeah, it's it's just generally fair. Um I guess maybe a part I would add is like
when it comes to like communal water wastewater infrastructure while our
focus is a 20-year timeline, we typically don't bury this infrastructure
to last only 20 years. >> It lasts a lot longer. Mhm.
» So looking at a we'll call it aspirational growth is is beneficial to
help you align uh infrastructure projects to allow this.
» Yeah. So just uh I think for further thought is
just uh just add to what Miss Plumbing was saying a few minutes ago. I mean uh
whether we have to, we don't have to, what have you, we do have a situation
where we have a lot of infrastructure that needs to be renewed and uh we've
collected an enormous [clears throat] amount of data that tells us this and
downloading that to the current tax base is going to be extremely
challenging for the tax base. So growth is necessary in some form. How we better
how we manage that u will unfold as we move forward. But it also gives council
and the next council and council after that ideas where the the limited
infrastructure dollars that we're going to have should be invested so that we
are meeting the possibility of uh that growth and uh we're ready for it and
we're not overwhelmed by it. So I think uh
some kind of a strategic focus on what you've identified here is
is an absolute conversation that needs to happen at the table.
So, uh, and Miss Plumbley, you have no problem moving that, uh, including them,
uh, in conversations with the county so that we can get better
» alignment to understand because we we need the county to start
» putting infrastructure dollars on our county roads.
» This this is why this meeting is very timely because they are looking for
input. This is the kind of input that will be valuable moving forward.
» Yeah. because it is important because of the growth happening in Campville
because Campville will be absorbing a majority of that infrastructure growth
money through the counties in their areas with all the county roads they
have. So, uh I don't think uh we can afford to wait another 15 or 20 years
for to have our county roads u looked at.
So, if there's nothing further, I thank you for coming out making the
presentation. We look forward to your next presentation. And when can we uh
when are we going to receive you again? What was the October?
» Yeah, the next opportunity would be um end of October, beginning of November at
the public information center. >> Focus need.
» Yeah. And as councelor Gur pointed out that if the general public has any
comments or wishes to engage, they have the opportunity to that. All that
information is on the website, right? So we don't have to wait for the actual
public uh open house. you can uh pre-engage and and uh and move your
questions and hopefully get the answers that you're seeking.
» Deputy Mayor, go ahead. >> So, there is a motion to endorse
» the number in this report. >> Not there yet.
» Um once we get there, I would like to um first of all, I want to comment again
on those two parcels 13 and 14. um 14 in particular is affected by the
the flood plane. It's also affected by um required setbacks for the railroad.
So the the number of available units in those two parcels are going to be
lowered. Um and given that the report and the forecasts are for 20 years, I
would like us to consider removing 13 and 14.
um [clears throat] from the total so that it will be easier to align the this
number with what the county is considering. Um it's still a high
number. It would still demonstrate that we've got an enormous capacity for
growth whether or not it becomes in effect or not. Um, but I
would feel that those two parcels being so far out on the horizon that they
shouldn't affect our plans right now. Quite frankly, I find the five and the
10-year plans to be pretty aggressive. Knowing the the background and the
history of how development evolves in Meritville Wolfford, it is quite slow.
Um, but I can I can appreciate that we want to do some planning a little bit
earlier rather than too late. [clears throat] And so I would put it to
council that we reduce um
the 10 to 20 forecast by removing parcels 13 and 14 from this particular
planning stage.
» So you're putting that question out there?
» I am. So thought is council.
» I have thoughts but I'll you get to go first. [snorts]
» Yeah. I would think by leaving it in there, it gives us a better opportunity
to pursue grants from the government as far as showing that we are a location
that has great growth potential and if we're going to expand that plant, um it
looks like we need to at some point anyway. So, um they would be much more
amenable to a grant to help us do that if uh it shows the projections are are
higher.
as a girl.
» Um either way, I understand um where Deputy May is coming from because the it
is more than 20 years. It's that's the cross-hatched [clears throat] ones are
20 years plus. Um and and uh we want to look at it. I personally have a problem
with looking at a whole picture because once again this is not committing us to
anything. This is just looking forward in 30 years from now. Um, you know,
planners looking at least they have some kind of uh like there's plans and cities
all over that go for decades. Uh, so going decades ahead and I don't see a
huge problem with it, but I'm immunable either way.
M >> I I guess the main reason that I'd like
to leave it in is when you're looking at big picture and when the United counties
are looking at this big picture when they're trying to get their through
roads if they're ever going to re-evaluate how we're going to get
traffic around Marrickville. I think it would be beneficial to have that left in
there so they realize there is a potential there could be residential
areas over there as well. >> Okay. And I just want to remind council
that uh leaving the lands in doesn't mean we're developing it. that you
wouldn't be moving forward with that until you have secured infrastructure on
the north side. And that's in reality, I know there's some people
that don't want to hear that, but it's it's decades or so out. And you need to
have identified potential
uh within the municipality if you're going to go after uh provincial grants.
So provincial grants are based on what the cap what your possibilities are. So
if you remove your possibilities, you remove remove your opportunity for
grants. And I think this is an identified urban area, nothing's going
to happen there until the infrastructure actually goes across the river. And when
that does go across the river, it could be decades before anything happens. So
it's it's nothing that is going to be developed tomorrow. We're not going to
see all kinds of uh hi ho out there digging holes. It's uh decades away. and
and uh a master plan is an opportunity for councils to understand what the
future are going to be and where infrastructure dollars should be
invested for that future. So I I think we should leave it in.
» I I just want to address the fact that this plan has a a shelf life of 20
years. So we would be looking at the lands all over again
probably 10 years down the road. Um so why build a plan now for things that
aren't going to happen is is my only concern. Um given the time span that
both the county and this report is looking at. [clears throat]
» Appreciate it. But I don't think it it's necessarily committing us to build a
plan. It's giving identity to what the possibilities are
in infrastructure needed in the future. And if those possibilities are still
there, it's like everything else. Every document is uh is uh comes up for
renewal and redisussion. We don't know what's going to happen 5, 10, 15, 20
years out, but this this is what you do. You put a plan out. You look at
projections and possibilities and opportunities and that guides council
[clears throat] in how it's going to move forward. There's a lot of lands
that are already been given capacity. We're doing a lot of work on the system
to uh tighten up the system because it's
leaking. We know that. And as we move forward, uh we're going to need that
growth to help pay for that infrastructure uh renewal and upgrade.
So nothing's going to happen overnight. And
these projections are long-term as we've discussed a lot at the table here. It's
some plan that needs to be developed. We've asked JL Richardson to make those
projections for us. That's the I guess the gist of a of a master plan is to
make councils aware of where they should invest and what the possibilities are
for the future pretty much.
» Yeah. Okay. [sighs] So, I think everybody's still satisfied
with the way we're we're moving forward. So if there's nothing new or further to
add, I think what we'll do is uh uh we'll go in and and we'll read the
motion that the council of the corporation of
the village of Marville Wolfer received for information the master plan master
infrastructure plan population growth projection summary from JL Richardson
and that council endorses the growth uh projections as listed in the population
projection report prepared by JLR in con in consultation with the village
aqua staff dated July 22, 2026 for the use in advance of infrastructure master
plan. May I have a mover, please?
» Okay. >> No, we haven't we haven't done that yet,
council. So, you're going to move it? >> I'll move it.
» Second, please. >> I'll second.
» Moved and seconded. So, do we have any com further comments or questions from
staff or sorry, from uh members? None. So, I'll call the vote. All in favor?
All opposed. Scared. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. We
appreciate you coming out. So, um, looking forward to our next engagement
and conversation. Thank you. >> Thanks for having me.
» You're welcome, sir. Uh, we're going to move on to confirming bylaw 47, 2026
that the [clears throat] council of the corporation of the village of Merville
Wolfer give first, second, third, final reading of bylaw 47, 20226 being a bylaw
to confirm the proceedings of council for the special meeting of July 28,
2026. and further that authorization be given to the mayor clerk to sign coal
and place in the bylaw book for the municipality bylaw 47206.
May I have a mover please? Move. Thank you. Second, please.
» Second. >> Thank you. Call the vote. All in favor?
Carried. And we'll go on to adjournment that the council the corporation of the
village of meritable adjourn at birth please.
» 349. >> 349.
May I have a mover? >> I'll move it.
» Thank you. [clears throat] Second. Thank you. Call the vote. Call in favor.