1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:07,960 One of them. >> Yeah, the Yeah. 2 00:00:04,799 --> 00:00:07,960 » Oh, no. 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:13,440 » Yeah, I saw that. So, I'm just sorting it with my packet that I got. 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:19,650 » Oh, okay. >> So, I'm making sure. Hi. How are you? 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:21,670 » I'm [snorts] here. How are you? [laughter] 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,680 » I'm here sort of. 7 00:00:32,750 --> 00:00:34,770 » [snorts] 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,399 » Yeah. Really? 9 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:46,200 » Oh, Sam's Sams. 10 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:58,960 » Good. Can you >> Same? Hey, 11 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:03,760 » we have these names. >> Oh, I know. I know. I woke up this 12 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:06,760 morning thinking it was Monday. >> Occupational. 13 00:01:07,439 --> 00:01:11,880 » Do you know anything about therapist? 14 00:01:17,290 --> 00:01:22,000 [laughter] >> There you are. 15 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:24,960 » I felt your hand there, but I'm Who is it? massage afterward. 16 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:29,200 » Yeah. >> Did you want me to fall asleep? 17 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:32,200 » Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, seriously. 18 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:42,520 » Because it's just they use acupuncture. 19 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:50,680 » Welcome back. >> Oh, that's all right. I'm trying to No, 20 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:50,680 » they just got some signature. 21 00:01:58,799 --> 00:02:02,200 And I panic, 22 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:05,880 » you know, 23 00:02:08,959 --> 00:02:13,160 and I panic and I suspect 24 00:02:13,621 --> 00:02:15,641 [clears throat] 25 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:26,920 Oh, I'm sure. >> And she loves 26 00:02:30,651 --> 00:02:32,671 [laughter] 27 00:02:40,476 --> 00:02:42,496 [snorts] 28 00:02:48,959 --> 00:02:52,519 you, right? Contingency. 29 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,519 There you go. 30 00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:57,879 Yeah. 31 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,360 All right. 32 00:04:12,239 --> 00:04:15,720 I might add. 33 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,720 » Yeah, the system's not the best. 34 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,000 Exactly right. 35 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,800 really 36 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:35,800 help. I can't 37 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:45,520 Yeah. [snorts] 38 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:48,600 A few cell phones. >> All right. 39 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:05,440 » All right. ready to uh begin the planning, zoning, and historical 40 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:10,880 appropriateness commission meeting. This is our regular meeting. It's at um it's 41 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:18,560 Tuesday, September the 8th or yeah, the 8th uh 2026 at 6 p.m. So, if you would 42 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,880 join us with the pledge of allegiance, I appreciate that. 43 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:31,199 I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic 44 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:36,080 for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 45 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:41,600 justice for all. >> Thank you. 46 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:46,400 » Next order of business is roll call for determination of quorum. If you could uh 47 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:52,880 do that for us. >> Yes, Mr. Chair. Uh, good evening, 48 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,120 » Vice Chair Gayos. >> Present. 49 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,680 » Commissioner Miller, >> present. 50 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,240 » Mr. Chair Walking, >> present. 51 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,960 » Commissioner Alviar, >> present. 52 00:07:01,599 --> 00:07:06,720 » Commissioner Moby Hill, >> present. 53 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:09,199 » Commissioner Bus. Commissioner Lucero 54 00:07:07,919 --> 00:07:13,280 » here. >> Mr. Chair, we have a call. Okay, very 55 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:18,400 good. Thank you. Thank you. And now it's time for any changes and approval of the 56 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:24,560 agenda. I need a motion, please. I move to accept the agenda for uh Tuesday, 57 00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:28,680 September 3rd, 2026. >> First motion by Commissioner Mobile. 58 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:39,360 » Second accepted September 8th. >> Oh, yes. Sorry. Thank you. 59 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:42,759 » Second by Commissioner Miller. >> Any discussion? 60 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:50,880 » Doesn't sound like it. Go ahead and get a vote, please. 61 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:53,680 » Yes, sir. I'll go ahead and take a vote. >> Vice Chair Gigos. 62 00:07:52,319 --> 00:07:56,560 » Yes. >> Secretary Miller. 63 00:07:54,800 --> 00:08:00,240 » Yes. >> Commissioner Alier. 64 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:05,199 » Oh, yes. >> Yes, ma'am. 65 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:08,479 » Sorry, I apologize about that. >> Commissioner Mhill. 66 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,120 » Yes, >> Mr. Chair. Motion passes for 67 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:15,680 » Very good. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. 68 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:22,319 Now it is uh time for item number four on your on your agenda is 69 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:26,560 public input for the one, two, three, four cases that are for action and 70 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:31,680 consideration. If anyone wants to get up and please state your name and um your 71 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:38,320 address and any comments you might have on any of those proposals that we're 72 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:42,120 going to look at. Yeah. Thank you. 73 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:51,360 Good afternoon. My name is Annette Granado and I'm here on behalf of my 74 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:55,920 mom, Rebecca Segoia, owner of 2928 Laamesia Circle. I want to make it clear 75 00:08:54,080 --> 00:09:00,800 that we are not against Mr. Bernal subdividing his property or building his 76 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:04,640 own private road from Caysur. The new proposal shows that Mr. Bernal will have 77 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:08,880 his own private road coming from Caya Delsur. My only request is that it be 78 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:13,839 made very clear that my mother's road will not be used for regular access or 79 00:09:10,959 --> 00:09:18,640 emergency access to this subdivision. I also want to make sure that doesn't 80 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:22,959 change down the road [clears throat] whether Mr. Bernol keeps the property, 81 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:26,720 passes it on to his family, or someone else eventually buys it. My mother's 82 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:30,800 private road should not become an access road for this subdivision. So, I'm 83 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:34,880 asking that this be clearly stated in the approval and the documents that are 84 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:39,120 recorded with the property. We are not trying to stop this subdivision. If Mr. 85 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:44,480 Bernal can provide and maintain his own access from Cay dels, we are okay with 86 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:48,080 it. Before you vote, I would just ask that you confirm that for the record 87 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:53,120 that my mother's road will not be used for either regular or emergency access 88 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:56,560 to this subdivision now or in the future, regardless of who owns the 89 00:09:54,959 --> 00:10:01,680 property. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. 90 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:08,800 » Any other comments on any of the other proposals or that one? 91 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:14,000 All right, sounds like it's not. So, um, next order of business is approval of 92 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:20,000 the consent agenda, which is the, uh, August 17th, 2026 93 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:24,560 PNZ regular meeting minutes. So, if I could get a proposal or motion for that, 94 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:28,720 please. [snorts] >> Move to approve. 95 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:34,640 » Second. >> First motion by vice chair chair Gos, 96 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:37,360 second by Commissioner Alvier. Oh, I'm sorry. Bubble Hill. I apologize 97 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,652 about that, Commissioner. >> Thank you. [snorts] 98 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:51,920 » So, any uh comments on the minutes? >> No, I thought they looked pretty good. 99 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:56,000 No comments. So, we'll go ahead and get a vote on that, please. 100 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:58,399 » Yes, sir. >> Commissioner Gos, 101 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,800 » yes. >> Commissioner Amiler, 102 00:10:59,839 --> 00:11:03,120 » yes. >> Commissioner Alvier, 103 00:11:01,839 --> 00:11:06,240 » yes. Commissioner Mulvill. 104 00:11:05,839 --> 00:11:10,160 Yes. >> Yes ma'am. I apologize about that, Mr. 105 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:16,240 Chair. Motion passes 40 to zero. Thank you very much. All right. Now we're down 106 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:21,839 to approval of the Oh, excuse me. We're down to item number six, which is the 107 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:27,399 action and consideration. The first is PZ HAC case 062171 108 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:34,800 at 2231 Karion. if you can go ahead and give us a little 109 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:40,399 background on that project, please. >> Absolutely, Mr. Chair. Oh, excuse me. We 110 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:43,399 need a motion on the move to approve PCHACK062. 111 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:49,040 Thank you. >> Go ahead. 112 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:52,519 » First motion by Vice GO, second motion by Commissioner Albia. 113 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:07,040 Uh Mr. Chair, speaking about case um 062171 114 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:11,440 Sony's historic commercial. The address is 2231 Cay de Paran submitted by Eric 115 00:12:10,079 --> 00:12:15,519 and Theresa Sanchez which are here tonight requesting approval to install a 116 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:19,120 three-tonon package AC unit on their property. 117 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:22,639 Eric and Teresa Sanchez are requesting approval to install a three-ton package 118 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:25,839 unit supplying two bedrooms and two bathrooms. The property currently has 119 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:29,360 one AC unit that provides service to other areas of the residence. The new 120 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:33,320 unit is planned to be installed towards the back area of the residence. 121 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:43,120 Some of the department comments that we have uh the carpets are of small size 122 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:48,800 and will not cover the entirety of the unit. Usia town code 183550 exterior 123 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:52,160 appearance. Um, an application for a permit which would authorize 124 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:55,839 construction, modification, moving or destruction, use or function with would 125 00:12:54,079 --> 00:12:59,839 affect the exterior appearance of any structure or sign must first be reviewed 126 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:05,120 and approved by the PAC for compliance with chapter 1833 MTC historic 127 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:08,680 preservation and receive final approval by the board of trustees 128 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:14,639 on this first picture. Oh, I apologize. >> Um, I just I just wanted to state that 129 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:19,760 we have proof of ownership on this first picture. Um, it's right here on the left 130 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:24,959 side. Um, we also have a a an image on the right with a star and that is what 131 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:30,519 it's proposed to uh be the installation for that new um AC unit. 132 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:43,560 We have the business license for the general contractor as requested. 133 00:13:45,279 --> 00:13:52,160 And I'm gonna proceed to the uh pictures. 134 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:55,680 » Yeah, there's we have the site plan uh the three-tonon 135 00:13:54,160 --> 00:14:02,160 unit and the ducting how it's going to be looking on that area uh seen from the 136 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:07,120 top and we have some images I believe on your packages do not or your packets do 137 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:13,279 not um reflect that arrow. Um I just wanted to uh from my end to reflect that 138 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:17,440 this first image is an existing AC unit that the residence has from the Cay 139 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:22,399 Paran. This is the view that you would you would see 140 00:14:20,079 --> 00:14:27,680 and this second picture is on that arrow would be the proposed unit installation 141 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:31,680 area would be towards the back of the property. 142 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:35,600 I stand by for any questions. I guess I have one question as far as, you know, 143 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:41,040 you can see the height of the the one that's already installed and the other 144 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:45,920 one will probably be the same height or would you estimate it? 145 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:49,440 » I I have a the property owner is here with me. I'm not sure if they would like 146 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,440 to take a stand. >> Yeah. Thank you. [clears throat] 147 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:55,920 » Yes, sir. >> I'm Eric Sanchez, the owner of the 148 00:14:54,000 --> 00:15:00,079 property. It'll be a little bit smaller than than that existing unit. That's 149 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:02,399 » is the existing one a five? Probably a five time. 150 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:04,399 » I think that one's a three. Yeah, it's a three. And then it's going to be towards 151 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,480 the back. >> Right. 152 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:10,880 » Okay. Of the structure. >> Yeah. Thank you. 153 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:14,160 » My question is so this is we're not we're not replacing it. We're just 154 00:15:12,399 --> 00:15:18,480 adding an additional. >> So currently it has mini splits and 155 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:22,320 we've had issues with them since we put them in. So, we're just getting rid of 156 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:26,180 the mini splits and putting what we should have done when we did the 157 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:28,200 renovation to begin with. [laughter] 158 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:38,040 » Any other comments from the commissioners? All right, I think we're 159 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,040 ready for a vote. 160 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,680 » Ready for a vote? >> Yes. 161 00:15:41,839 --> 00:15:46,000 » Yes, Mr. Chair. [snorts] >> Vice [clears throat] Cherryos. 162 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,519 » Yes. >> Secretary Miller. 163 00:15:47,199 --> 00:15:52,079 » Yes. Commissioner Alvier, >> yes. 164 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:57,639 » Commissioner Malvill, >> yes. 165 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,639 » Mr. Chair, motion passes 4 to Z. 166 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:10,000 I well I should have caught this earlier and stated it but u I know some of the 167 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:15,199 approvals from the public works came to came in later and uh I just noticed on 168 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:21,680 the copy I have unless you gave me another copy because it didn't have a 169 00:16:17,759 --> 00:16:26,959 signature for Tom but I didn't know whether that came in 170 00:16:23,839 --> 00:16:33,720 the if you got [clears throat] my mixed up. 171 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,720 » It's on there. 172 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:42,320 » Okay, >> Mr. Chair, Mr. Messa's name is is on 173 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:46,480 both documents. Oh, okay. 174 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:50,519 There it's an electronic signature, but I think that's remains valid. 175 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:59,839 » Okay. I'm sorry I missed that one. Okay. Very good. 176 00:16:57,279 --> 00:17:06,079 » Good. We're good. Yes, sir. Thank you for picking up on that. 177 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:09,559 » So, I think we're ready. >> We did the vote. 178 00:17:11,120 --> 00:17:24,319 » All right. The next uh project to to consider is PZ HAC case 062169 179 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:31,120 at 2450 Cay Principel. submitted by Felix Armalo Army Miho, excuse me. And 180 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:34,960 if you can give us a little We I need a motion on addressing this project, 181 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:43,600 please. >> Accept case 062169 182 00:17:39,679 --> 00:17:48,640 » 2450 K. >> Second. 183 00:17:45,919 --> 00:17:53,600 » First motion by um Commissioner Mohill. Second motion by Commissioner Miller 184 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:56,799 Mill. Correct. Thank you. Mr. Chair. 185 00:17:55,360 --> 00:18:01,760 » All right. Can you give us a little background on this project, please? 186 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:07,120 » Absolutely, Mr. Chair. This is case number 062169 187 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:11,919 2450 Kay the principal as submitted by Mr. Felix Armiko requesting approval to 188 00:18:09,919 --> 00:18:16,160 amend his building plans relocating previously approved drain pond and 189 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:20,799 installation of a rot iron fence red brick pavers on the property. Uh the 190 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:23,919 property zone is um HC historic commercial. 191 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:29,360 Mr. Ami is requesting approval to install a 52 inch rot iron fence red 192 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:33,440 brick pavers along the front entry side of the property on Kaj the principal 193 00:18:31,679 --> 00:18:38,400 following the path on the south side towards the back parking area. The drain 194 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:42,640 pond uh previously planned near the parking area would be relocated towards 195 00:18:40,559 --> 00:18:47,440 the middle section between the north neighborh neighboring building and the 196 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:51,360 mansion property. The proposed road item fence would also help prevent entry into 197 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:55,200 the drain pond. On this propos proposal, Mr. Amo requests to cancel the 198 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:59,600 construction of the entry walls uh previously approved. 199 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:03,360 Uh some of the department comments that we have 200 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:08,240 um oh I do apologize. I I missed some of the analysis and background. Uh Messia 201 00:19:05,919 --> 00:19:12,559 historic specialist Lyanna Ag expressed concern about the rot iron being 202 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:16,160 proposed on this packet. It does not fit with the design standard of the 203 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:22,640 structure. Other concerns of the structure also includes doors are too 204 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:27,520 modern and have a single pane window. Door needs to be out of natural wood 205 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:33,280 heavy. The door the color on the door is not an approved color. Windows also too 206 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:37,440 modern paints are inside the glass not meeting the design standards to the 207 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:41,840 development zone. Adding wooden frame and and to the exterior would resolve 208 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:46,320 this issue if they're able to give it uh the appearance of a natural pin window. 209 00:19:43,919 --> 00:19:50,559 front light fixtures to mo to modern as well that we need to replace. Electric 210 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:55,039 meter needs to be screened from the street. 211 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:59,440 We have some of the department comments as well. Uh Mr. Amiho no longer wishes 212 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:04,559 to build the front porch walls originally approved is requesting um 213 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:08,720 approval for this amendment. MTC code 183550 exterior appearance an 214 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:13,280 application for a permit permit which would authorize construction 215 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:16,960 modification moving or destruction use or function which would affect the 216 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:22,080 exterior appearance of any structure or sign must first be reviewed and approved 217 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:26,960 by the PAC for compliance with chapter 1833 MTC a historic preservation and 218 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:31,200 receive final approval by the board of trustees 219 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:36,159 also ro iron being proposed does not match the design standard of building 220 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:40,480 windows already installed appear to modern. 221 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:46,320 I'm going to scroll down a little bit on the document so we can see uh this this 222 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:50,000 image right here would it's the request for previously approved front entry 223 00:20:47,679 --> 00:20:55,200 walls to not be constructed. Um I have highlighted on the red um which would be 224 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:59,480 the area that um Mr. Armik was requesting not to not to build. 225 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:10,720 I have also added a site plan which would include um what he is requesting 226 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:14,320 as far as the um rod iron fence. It is that blue mark. It's a little difficult 227 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:19,600 to see but I have another image that would represent that here later on. Um 228 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:24,799 as far as the red brick pavers, the the proposal would be starting from the 229 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:31,039 street. Um pretty much that entry uh would be that that facing the street 230 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:33,919 side along the neighboring uh edge sort of like a path going towards the back 231 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:35,919 end for >> that's south. 232 00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:40,799 » Yes sir. >> Yes sir. And it would be also on the 233 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:45,280 parking area which be would be towards the back of the property. Um, it's a 234 00:21:43,679 --> 00:21:50,000 little difficult to read right here, but there is a pond 235 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:55,280 » that it's already on the right of of or I guess the south side of the property. 236 00:21:53,360 --> 00:22:02,640 Mr. Mik is requesting to relocate that pond onto that middle between those two 237 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:07,200 two buildings. That is also another um pretty much request for the for 238 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:12,320 approval. Th this image right here uh it is just 239 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:19,200 to illustrate what we're we're trying to pretty much uh mention. It would be the 240 00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:25,840 rot iron fence running towards um that area as well as the red brick papers 241 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:31,360 just to have an idea of what it would look like. This was made by the office. 242 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:35,280 I I was the one that did this. It is not going to look exactly like this. It's 243 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:38,240 just a representation of what I could come up with. 244 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:49,720 Lanna, would you like to talk about this? Mr. Chair, would that be okay if I 245 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,720 » Oh, yes. request. 246 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:02,960 » Thank you, Mr. Rocha. Good evening, commissioners. Uh, Mr. Sure. He read off 247 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:08,559 number of the details that I went over um as looking at this property and as 248 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:13,520 being a property right off our national landmark, right off our plaza, I think 249 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:19,520 it is very essential that we address these issues. Um as we were just looking 250 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:23,081 at this other the actually I can scroll back if I may. [clears throat] 251 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:32,559 This would be more appropriate. These windows would be more appropriate. This 252 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:36,720 door would be more appropriate. >> Um the final product that we have right 253 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:40,799 now looks nothing like >> Yeah. And I guess I is it okay if I 254 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:46,640 question to you? Um >> and the note on the budget of that this 255 00:23:43,679 --> 00:23:52,880 was the original proposal was so definitely it's not correct now. 256 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:58,640 » So that's part of your comments. >> Absolutely. Yes, 257 00:23:54,080 --> 00:24:03,600 » Mr. Yes. Uh, so my question is why why does Mr. Amo want to um stray away from 258 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:07,679 our original agreement on the original plan that's that we're looking at right 259 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:11,279 now? >> Would you know? 260 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:16,640 » Yeah, that's >> um I he had but I don't think he's given 261 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:22,480 us a reason. There's just I mean yeah, this is what he's come up with and um 262 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:26,240 unfortunately he's not here and I don't know if we've been able to get in 263 00:24:23,679 --> 00:24:29,679 contact with him. No. >> Yes. 264 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,760 » Well, you probably don't know the answer to that, 265 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:35,039 » but why would he want to move the ponding area when that was already 266 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:38,240 agreed on? >> My question. 267 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:42,720 » I mean, like we have to be concerned about parking areas too for the ponding 268 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:47,919 area. >> Yeah. 269 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:51,760 » So, my com my comment to that is it made sense as far as where he's putting the 270 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:54,559 pavers. And the parking area is right behind where the pavers end. Is that 271 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,880 correct? >> In other words, parking's not on the 272 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:04,640 side where they want to have a new park. >> Correct. I think the parking be um I 273 00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:08,640 think what's happening here is um what we're proposing and what we were 274 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:14,080 considering the department here is that perhaps we could have a a revisit this 275 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:20,320 in a workshop. Um if this is something you all agree on um and I I I also 276 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:26,080 agree. So >> um I think there's 277 00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:29,480 Yeah. Um >> to address this, 278 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:46,720 » I'll follow your direction, Mr. Chair. >> Yeah, I I had another comment trying to 279 00:25:43,679 --> 00:25:50,080 understand this this railing, and it's not the railing that he's going to put 280 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:54,480 in there based on what you just mentioned. You put in a railing there. 281 00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:58,000 So, I have two questions about I don't know what kind of railings I'm going to 282 00:25:55,679 --> 00:26:03,039 put in there and that's we need to know that. And then I trying to understand 283 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:06,640 why the railing isn't in front. Where's the railing? 284 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:11,039 » Actually, it sounds like it's it's on the north side 285 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:17,440 » and it's just on the north side. >> If you look at this picture, it looks 286 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:23,679 like that's what the how it was now. But he wants it there. There's already an 287 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:26,240 iron gate right there. >> An iron gate 288 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:29,520 » and he wants to go across the paper, right? Does he want This is what's 289 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,720 there? >> Yes. Yes, Commissioner. That that is 290 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:37,600 currently there at the at the property. Those pictures are were taken recently. 291 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:42,000 » Right. So, there's already an iron gate there. So, there was one before, 292 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:47,520 » not not in front. I'm talking about >> That's what I'm saying. Now, maybe he 293 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:55,559 wants to put it this way to kind of >> to kind of block the Those 294 00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:55,559 are just two. 295 00:26:57,679 --> 00:27:04,360 » Me too. >> What's that? I'm sorry. 296 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:04,360 » Um, 297 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:14,240 » Mr. Chair, will that be okay? >> Yes. 298 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:19,760 » Yes. So I just to I as I um pardon as I was um I did look at the gate on the 299 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:24,720 property as well and that gate is very uh it's more of an ornamental raw iron 300 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:28,960 which is fairly different from what which I agree Mr. Chair is what we need 301 00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:33,919 are some actual photos of what this would look like. However um the fact 302 00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:38,080 that it was a rot iron fence was due to the business. However, now there are 303 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:43,679 homes that need to and these homes need to reflect that historic character as 304 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:48,559 well. And so the the bright iron and the homes, it's it's not um very 305 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:54,600 characteristic of style. >> Is he going to have to replace the 306 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,600 windows or just put like 307 00:27:55,039 --> 00:28:02,720 » So what we're what I'm going to >> Yes. What I'm Exactly. Yeah. What I'm 308 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:11,679 what I am going to propose is um frames uh wooden frames as as in that prior um 309 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:16,399 plan and um external panes as well. Um which is very interesting that the panes 310 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:22,080 are in interior um but I would I would recommend wooden panes um around the 311 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:25,720 window and the door absolutely needs to be changed as well. 312 00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:34,000 frames on not in the because usually the modern 313 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:39,039 ones now it's double it's double pain and the divisions are in the center 314 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:43,279 it's actually in >> yeah it seems like the seems like the 315 00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:47,840 window I know you're speaking of like a double pane but the [clears throat] 316 00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:52,399 » it seems like this is a single pane um however in with historic you know it 317 00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:57,679 doesn't follow the historic guidelines even if it was in between two when you 318 00:28:54,880 --> 00:29:03,279 see it Essentially, it's also as that prior case we had, it's a single pane of 319 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:06,279 glass exterior. So, it it's it's not broken. 320 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:13,679 » It's just not >> correct. Yeah. And also frames around 321 00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:18,399 the window as well. Um and the window the door. Um I don't I don't think we 322 00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:23,440 have a photo of the door. Let me just double check here. 323 00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:26,640 » Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's >> that's 324 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:30,640 yeah I don't I don't think that's accepted. 325 00:29:28,399 --> 00:29:34,880 So um >> any more comments or consideration for 326 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:39,919 the >> right? 327 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:44,960 » So I I do have a question to the team out there is what would the value be? I 328 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:49,279 mean I can see some value. I mean, it should have happened a long time ago. 329 00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:55,039 And and that's why we have it in our code in 1833. We're supposed to have 330 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:59,840 work sessions with the team before they even propose anything. So, it's it's 331 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:05,039 just kind of all ass backwards, pardon me, part of the privilege. But it's just 332 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:11,200 I'm frustrated about that. >> Yeah. It's very frustrating. So, so, so 333 00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:16,720 what if we deny it, which I think most of most of us agree on that is okay. 334 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:21,039 What then would he come back? He got to have a work session with us after we 335 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:26,399 deny it. But >> yeah, basically up to 336 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:30,600 » I think that's what needs to happen. >> Yeah. 337 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,600 » Is because 338 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:39,679 Mr. Commissioner Eddie Salazar. Um the the the 339 00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:44,159 proposed project that originally was approved was obviously not adhered to, 340 00:30:41,679 --> 00:30:48,640 you know, and and and we don't have a a checks and balances to where after a a 341 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:54,080 permit is approved to somebody go back there and check and gave them the the 342 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:59,440 final, you know, uh inspection like C does through the buildings, right? 343 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:02,799 » Um so this is a perfect example. I think we need to consider something like that 344 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:07,440 maybe in your future especially for anything maybe in the historic zones to 345 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:12,000 where you need to adhere to the permit. I mean you you were you were given these 346 00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:15,520 directions and then on your own and I spoken with Mr. Miko before. No, you 347 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,880 can't do that. And and one of the reason why we brought it here and normally we 348 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:23,600 don't bring cases to the commission when you know but we brought I I elected to 349 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:30,720 bring it forth also for discussion purposes is because uh he understands 350 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:34,720 that uh he just cannot not do it. So um but again you know u he wants to make 351 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:38,240 some changes. I think the pavers is not that bad of an idea. There's a couple 352 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,360 things the rot iron that he's proposing there. I mean there's a rot iron fence 353 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,840 but there's also a chaining fence there too. We're not going to put a chaining 354 00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:48,640 fence just because it's sitting there, right? So So, and again, like Miss Lana 355 00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:52,159 mentioned, it doesn't fit the the the structure itself, you know, and I agree, 356 00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:56,320 the windows and the doors, those doors, those windows specifically looks like 357 00:31:53,519 --> 00:32:03,200 the one on Gay Desur with those uh those town houses down there, right? So, um 358 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:07,200 again, all this is is is for discussion reasons, but um I agree I agree with the 359 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:12,080 board that I think it, you know, it does need to come back for a work session and 360 00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:16,159 need to be revisited. um we just need to I need to kind of dig a little bit 361 00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:20,480 deeper is to where what will happens if somebody doesn't 362 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:24,399 um follow through with the permit and he wants to make some changes you know and 363 00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:29,039 and you have no choice in my in my opinions but again I just have to you 364 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:34,720 know in my own investigation what's the next step after that in case worst case 365 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:38,480 scenarios right so uh u again you know there the papers I think you know I 366 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:43,039 think the the the framing around the windows would and and the paints itself 367 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:47,679 and then you know the doors it looks like it's light green or turquoise or 368 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:50,720 some so that wasn't that wasn't the approval I don't even remember talking 369 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:55,200 about the doors to be honest with you but there is we do have a catalog in in 370 00:32:53,519 --> 00:33:00,159 in our in our in our office that determines what you know colors of doors 371 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:03,640 you can have so that's just my 372 00:33:03,679 --> 00:33:10,880 vote >> assuming we both know what precedent do 373 00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:20,559 we that going forward for total disregard of plans and um 374 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:23,760 I would like to see folks huddled and >> I'm sorry 375 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:30,399 » I guess it's not fair of us but it seemed like it's up to you to talk to 376 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:34,000 this and say this is what the alternative is the 377 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,159 paint colors the design of the door and windows 378 00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:39,279 » and um >> and the discussion was with them uh I 379 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,320 told him, "You got to follow your permit. You have to do it." 380 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,919 » But but he then he was like, "Well, what if I do this? What if I do that?" Well, 381 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:49,200 » that's up to the commission to make that determination. You know, it's it's not 382 00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:52,720 something. So, that's why we're here. You know, I mean, he he he knows that he 383 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:56,720 needs to follow through, but he's proposing other things to see if he can 384 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,679 do those instead. And I said, >> we really need to, you know, have work 385 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,039 session talk with the commission about that. 386 00:34:00,399 --> 00:34:06,880 » Mr. Sal, I have a question. like um Commissioner Miller said, like if 387 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:12,240 they're not following their original plan that we've approved, is there like 388 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:16,000 a fine set for them or is there some kind of 389 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:20,480 » there eventually it's going? Yes. If if the commission, you know, again, you 390 00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:24,240 know, this is for training purposes and then for future clarifications, you 391 00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:27,520 know, is that there is if you don't follow the the the permit, I mean, you 392 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:29,760 have to I mean, you have to be held accountable, 393 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:34,320 » you know, I mean, you go I got to go through the process. So whatever that 394 00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:38,560 entitles I mean do we go over there and build the wall for him in front I mean 395 00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:41,599 again it's just just a little bit it does need to go into enforcement just 396 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,480 for that you know as far how that's going to look we don't have you know 397 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,159 we're still have the you know hearing examiner coming up and those kinds of 398 00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:50,800 things so it definitely needs to be held accountable for not following through 399 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,320 with the because there is going to be a set of presidents to where nobody's 400 00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:56,079 going to you know follow through whenever we 401 00:34:54,879 --> 00:35:00,480 » it's in Mr. best interest to work with the 402 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:04,880 commissioners and board of trustees on this process. We want to work together. 403 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:07,280 » Yeah. And that's what again he doesn't want he didn't want to do that. He's 404 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,720 proposing other things and the commission says no we're going to stick 405 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:14,880 with the original plan. That's that's my direction to proceed. 406 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:19,760 » All right. >> Any other comments? 407 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:23,400 So I think we're ready for a vote. 408 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,440 Commissioner Gos, >> no. 409 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,480 » Secretary Miller, >> no. 410 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,200 » Commissioner Alier, >> no. 411 00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:52,880 » Commissioner Malill, >> no. 412 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:59,920 » Mr. Chair, motion 9 to zero. >> All right. Thank you. 413 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:05,160 Now we are ready to address PZ HAC case 062172 414 00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:14,040 which is at uh 26. Oh, I missed one. >> Oh, I'm sorry. 415 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:19,960 Yeah, it's PNZ case uh 062161 416 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:29,520 and that's submitted by uh or that's at excuse me 2355 Avenue DASIA 417 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:36,000 and if you can give us a little background on that appreciate that we do 418 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:43,920 need a a motion please. I move to accept 062161 419 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:48,800 uh 2 2355 Aanita. >> Second. 420 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:53,480 » First motion by Commissioner Malill. Second uh motion by Commissioner Alvier. 421 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:05,359 This is case number 062161 submitted by Evado Carvajal for Las 422 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:09,920 Cruises public schools requesting approval of a new pergola project on 423 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:14,720 2355 aid messia at the west side of the 424 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:20,480 property at Rio Grand Preparatory Institute. The property zone is HC. 425 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:25,599 A little background on analysis. uh Las Cruz public schools requesting approval 426 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:29,200 of a new pergola project on 2355 at Msia at the west side of the property at Rio 427 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:33,040 Grand Prep Institute. The project involves three steel pergolas. The 428 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:37,880 purpose of the project is to allow students to present and sell products. 429 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:45,760 some of the department comments that we have. Um, just going back to MTC 183550, 430 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:49,680 exterior appearance. An application for a permit which would authorize 431 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:53,359 construction, modification, moving or destruction, use or function which would 432 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:58,400 affect exterior appearance of any structure or sign must be first reviewed 433 00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:02,800 and approved by the PAC for compliance with chapter 1833 MTC historic 434 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:06,280 preservation and receive final approval by the board of trustees. 435 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:15,280 Article 22 of historic districts and landmarks for the state of New Mexico 436 00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:18,400 322 purpose. The legislature of the state of New Mexico hereby declares that 437 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:23,200 the historical heritage of this state is among its more most valued and important 438 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:28,240 assets and that it is the intention of the historic district and landmark 439 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:32,160 landmark act to empower the counties and municipalities of this state with as 440 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:35,520 full and complete powers to preserve, protect and enhance the historic areas 441 00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:40,800 and landmarks lying within the respective jurisdictions as it is 442 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:43,839 possible for this legislature to permit under the constitution of the United 443 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,599 States and the constitution of New Mexico and subject to the specific 444 00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:51,920 duties and responsibilities respecting historical matters already granted or to 445 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:56,160 be granted under other statutes of this state. 446 00:38:54,079 --> 00:39:00,240 We also have article 22 historic districts and landmarks of the state of 447 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:06,079 New Mexico 3226 applicability of applicability of state 448 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:09,599 capital outlay projects limitation recognizing the fragility of the state's 449 00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:13,200 historic heritage. The purpose of this section is to establish a procedure 450 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:17,520 under which the state and its municipalities and counties will commit 451 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:22,000 to collaborate in good faith and work jointly to preserve and protect the 452 00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:27,079 historic districts of New Mex Mexico. Uh we have attached more information on 453 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,079 your packets. 454 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:43,520 on the presentation. I do have a some pictures that are as well in your 455 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:47,560 packets uh with the Marcado project at Rio Grand Propriatory Institute. 456 00:39:53,599 --> 00:40:03,760 We have a site plan uh involving the three per that um I requested approval. 457 00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:06,880 We have another picture down here of what it would look like from one 458 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,040 perspective. We have I believe we have three perspectives. 459 00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:33,280 So, this design uses the same design language and structural steel. Um, it 460 00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:38,240 emers as a bus stop to the west. >> I stand by for any questions. 461 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,119 » Commissioners have any questions? Yes, sir. 462 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:45,760 » Sir, I do. >> Yes. Uh my question is so the these 463 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:51,680 steel beams uh so they're going to be exposed to the 464 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:57,680 elements to look like the the rust that it looks like on these photos or the 465 00:40:53,920 --> 00:41:03,680 depictions of what it might look like. >> Mr. Chair, if if you allow Commissioner 466 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:07,920 Goss, we have um some members of the public that are part of this project. If 467 00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:12,359 if you allow me to m it over. >> Yes, please talk a little more. 468 00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:12,359 » Yes, 469 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,160 » commissioners. Thank you for >> can you give us your name 470 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,359 » listening to us? >> So we are proposing to build this 471 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:27,359 Medicaid project. >> Excuse me. 472 00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:31,520 » Can you give us your name? So >> Oh, sure. Sorry about that. Everardo 473 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:34,160 Carbajal with Buildex Construction Company. 474 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:38,160 » Yeah. So we are proposing to build the MERAVO 475 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:45,359 project at the Rio Grand Preparatory Institute. 476 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:54,240 Um we will be working together with LCPS Robert Williams and our designer Carlos. 477 00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:59,079 » Yeah, with Navitech. Um now let's see 478 00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:09,760 any questions you may have. It's is this is going to be a concrete foundation 479 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:14,319 with steel post and a steel um structure above the rafters and the beams are 480 00:42:11,839 --> 00:42:19,520 going to be all steel exposed steel and they're going to be naturally exposed to 481 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:24,400 corrosion and make the rust you know produce this rustic look. 482 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:29,520 » Selfing steel, right? >> Yeah, exactly. Thin steel, lightweight 483 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:33,520 but still very durable. And the rafters up above will have a 484 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:38,319 slight angle to produce a little bit of shade down 485 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:44,480 below. We'll produce some lighting within the rafters and we'll have uh 486 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:49,200 outlets uh for the students to use if they have crafts they're working on. 487 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:53,480 They'll be able to use the power there. Um yeah, 488 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:59,920 » yes. >> Look. 489 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:03,359 bus stop. Um, >> that's exactly right. 490 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:08,319 » But right now, the bus stop looks like it's 491 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:15,119 like wood. When you drive by it doesn't look like it's steel, the steel beams. 492 00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:21,119 Am I confused or is it just >> um There is an image of the bus stop in 493 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:28,560 in this >> I saw that I know what I saw. 494 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:34,800 So if I I don't know my eyes directly. >> Maybe it um it is steel but maybe 495 00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:37,839 because of the aging but it is steel >> and it does kind of resemble like rustic 496 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,839 old wood. >> So that's why I'm like is that how the 497 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,839 the beans are going to turn into >> Yes. 498 00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:52,079 » It'll take some time. >> It hasn't been there that long and it's 499 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:58,640 already looks really good. Now, we could expedite that uh aging process by using 500 00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:05,079 chemicals on the steel, but that's up for discussion. 501 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:05,079 » If LCPS Robert would know 502 00:44:05,575 --> 00:44:07,595 [laughter] 503 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:17,440 » like we're trying to do, >> like we're trying to do, right? 504 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:21,599 » Exactly. Let nature take its course. >> All right. So, 505 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:27,040 » yeah. Any other questions? >> I do have a question. Um, 506 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:30,599 » it doesn't need to be cleared by C or anybody like that. 507 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,440 » All right. Yeah, it'll it'll go through C. 508 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,720 » Yeah. >> Thank you. 509 00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:42,960 » You're welcome. >> Oh, you have a job right next to you. 510 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:46,720 Does do you have any anything to offer? >> Uh, no, Commissioner. Uh, for the 511 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:51,200 record, my name is Carlos Sagilad. I'm the designer. I work for Navitech and 512 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:55,440 Associates. I've been hired uh through Buildex under the Lus Christ public 513 00:44:53,040 --> 00:45:01,200 schools for this design. So, I'm I'm just here for uh for brevity and for to 514 00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:03,359 help my So, >> but if you have any other questions, I'm 515 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:04,960 happy to answer. >> Very good. 516 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,280 » Thank you. Thank you both. >> Thank you all. 517 00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:16,240 » Oh, yeah. >> Oh, 518 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:22,160 » no. Go ahead. >> Um It's just to make sure it'll be just 519 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:25,359 over the concrete slab and no protrusion. 520 00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:30,000 » Yes, it's it's all going to be concrete slab. We were thinking about on the 521 00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:32,000 images you see some bricks on the edge just to give it 522 00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:35,520 » as a trim. >> Okay. 523 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:39,520 » Right. But where the students will be working, it will all be solid concrete. 524 00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:43,839 » Okay. So, no digging or anything. >> Oh, before to start. Yeah. So, that that 525 00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:49,240 that would be a new foundation. So, we'll have to remove a section of the 526 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,240 grass to put in 527 00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:55,079 » uh 6 in. 528 00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:02,680 » I do have a question to you while you're while you're up here. Um 529 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:09,599 the the school building is not historic at all, is it? Yeah, 530 00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:16,160 » I mean I guess I'm wondering why we I mean it's HC and I understand I 531 00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:23,440 understand we have to meet the 1833 >> area is fairly historic. Um which is why 532 00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:27,760 I was asking how deep under because I um >> yeah something I'm very very much 533 00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:32,319 considering in a lot of our future um construction well is the the need for an 534 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:35,440 archaeologist. Yes, >> but 535 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:38,160 » six inches is good. It's better than two feet. Could I make a point of clarity? 536 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,599 Um, >> yes. 537 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:46,000 » So, 6 in will be for the concrete slab, right? There also be, if you see in the 538 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:51,040 images, the in the foreground there's a red papers. It'll also be concrete, but 539 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:56,480 it'll be color just to give a little bit more of an earth tone. However, each of 540 00:46:53,680 --> 00:47:02,079 those steel columns will have a footing which will be about two feet by two feet 541 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:07,720 by two feet. >> So, six inches for the slab. Yeah. 542 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,720 » No, that's 543 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:13,920 » So, would that need a little bit of archaeological work when they're when 544 00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:18,640 they're actually digging it? Maybe that's the best time. 545 00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:23,200 » It's usually um for two I I would always I do recommend especially for two feet. 546 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:28,480 I mean, what I've heard from here is that um we our public works department 547 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:32,880 usually requires four feet. Oh, >> but I think 548 00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:38,160 » um I don't know anything more than one. And then because it says two feet, 549 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:42,560 right? But usually they're >> get to where they need to get. So I 550 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:49,000 always do recommend, especially within this area, um an archaeologist if 551 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,000 possible. 552 00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:57,359 » Okay. Thank you. >> And then as far as the structure itself, 553 00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:01,760 obviously when it's not being in use, you can still see through that. So, do 554 00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:06,640 you have any concern about >> about its presentation in front of the 555 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:11,160 building? >> Okay. Okay. I Okay. 556 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:17,520 » The design kind of echoes what's already >> good. Okay. Thank you. 557 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:22,359 » I think it's part of our comprehensive plan as well. 558 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,359 » Yeah. Yeah. I think so. 559 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:29,040 » Any other comments from the commissioners? Mr. 560 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:35,119 » Sure. I'd like to Eddie Sal community development. I'd like to uh kind of uh 561 00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:39,359 ask the uh the engineering architect uh some of the questions that I was asked 562 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:45,599 uh regarding the the the program and the the parking is was the biggest concern 563 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:48,880 » uh because you know my understanding at the beginning uh this is going to be 564 00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:52,400 something that the students are going to put their projects up you know stuff 565 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:57,040 that and it's going to be open to the school their own students the faculty 566 00:48:54,720 --> 00:49:01,920 will be able to go to this marcado how is that at what point are they any of 567 00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:05,280 this has changed to open to the public. Uh because if it opens to the public, 568 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:09,440 you know, the the concern is, you know, we do have limited parking here at town 569 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:14,559 hall. Uh because it's very adjacent to it is it's going to fill up our parking. 570 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:22,359 And so what parking uh requirements uh if any uh you know are we thinking about 571 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,359 along with this project 572 00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:37,760 » any parking the um I don't know exactly I the the intent is 573 00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:41,040 I don't know the exact programming of the the facility because the schools are 574 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:44,319 still working out a lot of details and stuff on But I mean other than the fact 575 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:50,160 that the students it is intended for students. So so whenever they're using 576 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:54,319 it they'd have the parking our parking lots open. So it's like so they they 577 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,280 have full access of the parking lots at the school. [clears throat] So it's like 578 00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:02,079 » so in other words these events would probably have after school hours 579 00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:04,800 » um or well the intent from from what I understand from when they first start 580 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:08,880 when this first project is as many of you know this was a competition that was 581 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:13,440 done a couple years ago with students and the students were the ones that came 582 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:18,160 up with the initial design um and the intent was that they would work with the 583 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:21,599 farmers markets when the farmers markets are in play are going to be they'd also 584 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,960 be setting up so that the students because it's only a block away 585 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:29,359 » right farmers market so people could wander over from the farmers market and 586 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:35,040 they can coincide with that. So it's like so that's kind of um the intent of 587 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:38,800 it. So so that so I don't know they may like I said they probably do events on 588 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,760 their own in the evenings after hours kind of stuff. [laughter] I know that we 589 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:47,200 talked about if we get it done before the the holiday season this year um that 590 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,680 they would probably do some um craft shows. the students would bring their 591 00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:53,040 crafts and stuff and set them up and sell them and those would probably be 592 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:57,040 evening hours and again then it would be the they would open up the parking lot 593 00:50:55,119 --> 00:51:00,480 um and have access to the school for bathrooms and things like that. 594 00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:04,240 » Thank you. >> Yeah. 595 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:08,480 » Quick question, Mr. Chair, if I may. Uh I know this is outside of what we are 596 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:14,559 charged with, but I'm just kind of thinking like what So do you have 597 00:51:11,839 --> 00:51:18,240 students that are raising money and and they're they're building crafts and 598 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:21,680 they're trying to work with the farmers market here in Messia and try to get 599 00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:25,440 some of that traffic over that side. It seems like we're okay with parking 600 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:32,400 because you'll have we'll now have access to parking on Los Cusus public 601 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:36,079 school property as well as town of Msia. My question was like what what happens 602 00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:38,160 with the proceeds? So does it what is it? 603 00:51:36,319 --> 00:51:41,520 » Well, it's what's the plan for that? >> Most of the from my understanding and 604 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:45,040 again I don't know the exact instructions is these are projects that 605 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:49,760 they do in school. So I think it goes back to the to whatever class they're 606 00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:54,079 in. It's sort of fundraisers for whatever their activities. So like HOSA 607 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:59,119 or what the um the the the shops classes and stuff 608 00:51:56,319 --> 00:52:03,200 like that. Um, 609 00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:07,359 uh, Las Cru says High has a a floral they do like 610 00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:11,591 floral decorations and things like that. >> All that goes back to the club or the 611 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:15,200 organization, okay, at the [clears throat] organizing. So, I would 612 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:18,240 imagine that the students when they're doing it may get something for it. I 613 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:22,240 don't know exactly though. >> Yeah. I just I'm very excited for our 614 00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:27,040 youth because we really want to invest in them and help, you know, get them to 615 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:30,559 participate in what we have here. So, it's very exciting. Well, and I know Los 616 00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:34,480 Cruz I know for the farmers market and on they have the kids can. I don't know 617 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:38,240 if you're familiar and I don't know if this would coside with something like 618 00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:41,920 that where it gives the kids the opportunity to be able to do their own 619 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:48,400 kind of a thing. Great. >> Yeah, very much. [snorts] 620 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:53,839 » And and uh I noticed that um you have a business plan 621 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:59,440 write up in here. Correct. And so my assumption is 622 00:52:55,839 --> 00:53:03,119 and that has to be renewed every year. >> It has to be renewed every year, 623 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:07,359 correct? The business plan. So you say $35. So where's that tie into the 624 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,640 business for the kids? I mean, it they're they're in a business. They're 625 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:15,200 selling stuff. So So that's why they have to have a permit, I would assume. 626 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:19,599 » Yes, Mr. Chair, Commission. Yeah, the uh the original plan when I spoke with the 627 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:23,359 with my contact, I forget her name, but she was very excited and we we actually 628 00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:28,160 went to to the community center and we voted on what project, you know, they 629 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:33,599 had a presentation and such and her her original the school's uh goal is to 630 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:38,640 introduce young adults into new skills 631 00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:42,480 » and then follow the process that you normally will do in the day-to-day life, 632 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:47,119 right? similar to this project here. Whenever the the the students drafted up 633 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:50,400 this this project, they actually are going through this process as was doing 634 00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:55,520 now and this is part of their project that they're so when it comes to 635 00:53:52,559 --> 00:54:00,160 business, I I was also advised by by this teacher that they will also be 636 00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:04,720 seeking out uh business licenses and renewals and following all those process 637 00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:08,880 just like it would normally follow. >> Excellent. 638 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:16,200 » That's good. Any other questions for me? for me. Any other questions? All right, 639 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:16,200 I think we're ready for a vote, sir. 640 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,520 » Vice Chair Gahos, >> yes. 641 00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:27,200 » Secretary Miller, >> yes. 642 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,680 » Commissioner Alvier, >> yes. 643 00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:32,720 » Commissioner Mulill, >> yes. 644 00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:41,960 » Motion passes 4 to zero. >> Thank you. Now we're down. We're down to 645 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:41,960 PZ HAC case 062172 646 00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:49,760 in a 2618 K desour submitted by Sam Banell if you could go ahead and 647 00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:54,559 » Bernal >> Bernol I'm sorry Bernal if you can go 648 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,079 ahead and do a little presentation about it. 649 00:54:55,119 --> 00:55:01,920 » Oh we [clears throat] need a vote. Excuse me. Thank you. 650 00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:07,359 » I make a motion for approval of case 06. Um yeah 2172 Kelsur submitted by Sam 651 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:12,000 Bernol. >> Second 652 00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:16,680 » first motion by Commissioner Alviar. Second motion. Motion by Vice Chair 653 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,680 Leos. 654 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:38,599 This is visa case 06217215 655 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:45,680 Cayour submitted by Mr. San Bernal requesting approval of a summary 656 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:50,319 subdivision of his property and zone is historical residential. 657 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:55,680 Mr. Bernal is requesting approval for a summary subdivision. Mr. Bernal lives at 658 00:55:52,880 --> 00:56:00,799 2615 Kay Desour and has another property adjacent to his on the south side. 659 00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:05,000 According to Donana County Assessor's office, the property is 47 660 00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:15,200 1.09 acres. Mr. equal parcels each approximate 661 00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:22,400 acres each access 662 00:56:18,799 --> 00:56:28,640 by his property adjacent to Kay des 20 ft private road easement will provide 663 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:35,520 agress ingress uh this private road will widen to 35 paralleling to the two 664 00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:40,640 properties being split for utilities and access uh road eastment 665 00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:46,160 A turnaround will be included between both parcels new parcels uh to meet fire 666 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:51,200 code regulations uh cir hydrant will also be installed on messia 667 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:55,839 circle to provide emergency services to the two lots and nearby residences. A 668 00:56:53,920 --> 00:57:03,040 var variance is being requested by Mr. Bernal from meeting MTC 183568. 669 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:08,079 Uh each lot or parcel to be developed in the HR zone should ha shall have a 670 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:14,240 minimum of 80 feet of frontage on a public street and a minimum of 8,000 um 671 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:20,240 square feet of area. Mr. Bernal's property is landlocked and not adjacent 672 00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:25,040 to any public access. A variance is also being requested from installing paved 673 00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:30,160 streets and curb uh and gutter as it is a private road. Drainage will still be 674 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:35,359 provided on August 12, 2025. Mr. Rell was approved by the PAC for a request to 675 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:40,400 subdivide his property. On August 25, 2025, Mr. Bernal was denied by the B for 676 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:45,599 not having illegal access to his property as it was uh proposed. Mr. 677 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:50,640 Bernal has changed his access to these two properties and request consideration 678 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:54,799 for approval. A replat draft has been amended to show changes from the 679 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:58,559 original request. If approved, Mr. Ronald understands a legal replat by a 680 00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:01,559 licensed surveyor will need to be submitted. 681 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:13,240 All the department comments that we have all documents have been submitted for 682 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,240 consideration. 683 00:58:41,975 --> 00:58:47,680 » [clears throat] >> We have an image right here in the uh TV 684 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:51,960 screen. It's stating a proof of ownership for Mr. Bernard. 685 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:26,480 On this image, we have um the summary subdivision requested. Um there's uh 686 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:32,240 between lot B and lot C there's a little area uh that would be the requested uh 687 00:59:29,359 --> 00:59:36,799 for a turnaround uh for the emergency services. The fire department would be 688 00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:42,079 able to have that turnaround um in case of an emergency but wanted wanted to 689 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:45,079 display and and explain that to the committee. 690 00:59:49,359 --> 00:59:54,720 » I stand by for any questions. Mr. Chair. 691 00:59:53,520 --> 01:00:00,400 » Yes, sir. Go ahead. >> Um, my question is, so first responders, 692 00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:08,880 especially the fire large fire truck that we have, do they have access from 693 01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:11,280 Ka the Sur to turn into that little hole or whatever you want to call it, a 694 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:14,799 little road, >> 20 foot road. Yeah. 695 01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:21,119 » Is there are because we know we see the road, it literally narrows as it gets to 696 01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:27,440 guy of the sword. Do we know for sure that we first responders have access to 697 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:32,400 the properties? >> To my understanding, um, I apologize. 698 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,960 Did I interrupt? >> I'm so so sorry. 699 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,240 » Oh, yeah. Go ahead. >> Oh, I apologize. I thought somebody was 700 01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:43,040 mentioning something. >> Um, from my understanding from from the 701 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:48,720 from the plan um from Cay Desour, there would be a road um giving access to Mr. 702 01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:54,000 Bernal uh to th to that subdivision to that summary subdivision um allowing um 703 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:58,559 entry from from a landlocked uh perspective that that would provide 704 01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:03,839 entry to those emergency services onto his property. Um given u that in 705 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:09,040 consideration that would allow the fire engine to go through uh Cayour into the 706 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:14,592 subdivision be able to have that turnaround uh to provide um exit to that 707 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:20,880 fire engine [clears throat] if Yes. Yes. 708 01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:26,480 » I have a I have a concern because when this went to the BO they said that the 709 01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:31,520 civil um issues needed to be resolved before we could move forward on this. 710 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:37,280 And I want to know if the civil maybe Mr. Bernald needs to present because has 711 01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:42,960 the civil um case been resolved if 712 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:48,319 have you have you resolve that Mr. Bernnol 713 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:54,400 has resolving that case like it was denied by the P. Okay. 714 01:01:51,839 --> 01:02:02,799 Mr. Shelton when he was denied to use that road 715 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:08,839 he got his attorney and requested it's litter in that packet where he 716 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,839 requested that 717 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:16,799 myself and my wife's names in that contract on that lawsuit. Okay. It was 718 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:23,920 not saying it was a lawsuit. It was brought up by Mr. Shelton's attorney 719 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:27,359 » to uh to uh Rebecca. 720 01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:30,880 » Sorry. I'm asking did you resolve your issue, not somebody else? I'm asking 721 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:34,880 » Well, that that's what I'm trying to tell you is that it was solved way 722 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:38,799 before. >> No. Or else the B would have approved 723 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,079 it. I'm sorry. >> That's what I'm trying to express that 724 01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:46,240 there was a letter. >> There was a letter there in that packet 725 01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:52,160 the first time that I brought it up. Now, they were saying that that I was 726 01:02:48,319 --> 01:02:53,920 going to use that ex south side >> for emergencies, 727 01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:59,359 » right? >> But I'm requesting now I'm not going to 728 01:02:55,599 --> 01:03:04,640 be using that exit. That's why I'm wid turn that t-bone turn around 729 01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:10,079 » and it will be just to go back in for emergencies for the fire truck to be 730 01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:15,280 able to go in and out. >> Have you resented your um complaint on 731 01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:19,280 that? And is that in writing that you're not 732 01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:24,240 going to move forward with that? That that's what I'm asking because I think 733 01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:28,720 for myself and I I want you to have the subdivision, Mr. Bernol. I don't have a 734 01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:34,000 problem with that. I just want us to do it right so that when it goes to the B 735 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:39,480 that they know that we did our our share of what we were supposed to do. So 736 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:48,559 like I like we before when we requested it was going to be three lots actually 737 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:51,200 four okay because where I live now and then three more 738 01:03:49,359 --> 01:03:57,760 » three more. So that's why we turned around and I talked to my kids. Okay, 739 01:03:54,400 --> 01:04:01,200 let's at least get two lots >> instead of being just landlocked. I 740 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,440 can't do nothing with it. >> Right. 741 01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:08,559 » So it was pertaining [snorts] to the turnaround and pertaining to using that 742 01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:14,880 access on the back. I'm not going to be using that. Okay. As 743 01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:22,240 the request, why do we have to go to court? I mean, it's like the fire chief 744 01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:26,960 like he requested. He says it's that road will be able to maintain the weight 745 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:30,720 of the fire truck to be able to go in and go out. 746 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:34,799 So, that's why we have to go to court and 747 01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:40,079 spend money on something that the fire chief and the engineer requested 748 01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:47,359 because it's it's costing a lot of money. It it really is. When I tried it 749 01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:53,599 back in 2002, same thing happened. 2011, same thing happened every time. And it 750 01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:57,839 cost a lot to be able to get these blueprints done. 751 01:04:55,280 --> 01:05:02,480 » I understand that and I I you know, respect you for that, but I feel like 752 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:06,079 we're kind of stuck here because there's not really any resolution. I don't see 753 01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:10,720 it in writing. >> It excuse me. It is the resolution is 754 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,880 what he's saying. I know, but he's saying later he might need to use that 755 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,920 road. >> He never said that. 756 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,559 » Okay. >> All right. 757 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:21,440 » So, it's a public >> a private road. No, he's running a 758 01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:26,480 private road. >> Aside from not using that private road 759 01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:29,520 that's to the south, >> Mr. Chair, I think we're okay. Yeah, 760 01:05:28,319 --> 01:05:36,559 » I don't think we are, but >> No, Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. Uh, Mr. But so 761 01:05:33,839 --> 01:05:42,240 board of trustees denied your request on August 25th last year for not having 762 01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:46,400 legal access to your property. >> Do you have legal access access to your 763 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:49,039 property now? >> I've had it since I bought it. 764 01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:52,079 » Okay. >> That road has always been used since 765 01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:54,799 197. >> Okay. 766 01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:56,559 » Two. Since I've been since I purchased that property in the front. 767 01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:00,799 » Okay. >> Okay. I purchased from Dan Lori 768 01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:06,240 » and then the property in the back because if you notice it runs in a 45 769 01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,839 that's why that lot line I want to square it off. 770 01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:12,480 » Yes. >> So but there it's always it's always 771 01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,920 been in and out through there on both sides. 772 01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:16,960 » Yes. >> But to go to the back that's what we've 773 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:21,839 been using. >> Yes. 774 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:25,760 » Back in the 80s when it started. >> Yeah. [clears throat] 775 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:29,440 » Okay. fixing a neighborhood swap. 776 01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:34,160 » I'm sorry. >> This your plan here is fixing a 777 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:37,480 neighborhood disagreement >> and 778 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,480 » exactly. 779 01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:50,160 » Okay. So then my other question is, have the have the residents been notified? Um 780 01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:53,520 and do you have the um the certified receipts for that? Are they supposed to 781 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:58,000 be notified that you're wanting to do this or is it supposed to be posted? 782 01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:03,839 as in our >> in our codes it's ordinances say that it 783 01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:08,079 you know it has to be posted he has to send out the letter [clears throat] 784 01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:12,319 » Mr. Chair uh Eddie Salazar community development this is this is a proposal 785 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:18,400 for a summary subdivision summary subdivision uh does not follow u regular 786 01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:22,319 subdivision ordinances that is why one of the reason Mr. Bernal decided to do 787 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:27,760 it to two lots and not three because uh he is requesting a summary subdivision 788 01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:34,079 not a formal subdivision as before. Uh two as far as this the civil issue 789 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:40,079 before um that was brought up was that Mr. Bernal was requesting to use the the 790 01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:45,119 the property or the private road that was owned by uh Miss San's mother 791 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:50,960 Rebecca and that that's why it's a civil issue by proposing it how he's doing it 792 01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:57,200 now. there's no civil issue because he's providing his own access from Cay on 793 01:07:53,920 --> 01:08:02,559 this property and uh there and just to confirm there is no request whatsoever 794 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:06,680 to use the private road that uh Mr. Rebecca Seiggoia. Uh, 795 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:13,680 any questions? >> Well, my last question, I'm sorry. My 796 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:19,440 last question is it looks like um so for the little adobe houses, are you 797 01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:24,400 requesting to move the landline from that and then just use the other two as 798 01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:30,080 your proposal? Well, the reason I'm pointing out it's that I don't know why, 799 01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:38,880 Dan Lori, all those properties were actually sold in 45s. I don't know. 800 01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:45,600 There's even a a blueprint back when Mr. Galena was a mayor that the lot line ran 801 01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:51,359 right in between the house. Okay. But my lot line where I live now 802 01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:56,000 is it's like it's right there next to the 803 01:08:53,520 --> 01:09:02,239 pillar of the carport. What I'm trying to do would just square it off with the 804 01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:08,880 the neighbors next to make it even. So that way there's a complete whoever 805 01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:15,440 inherits that house has access to go around itself too. Okay. 806 01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:19,759 I guess my question is, are you moving that landline a little bit to 807 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:24,480 incorporate that into yours or it's already I'm kind of confused for the 808 01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:29,040 adobe house. Are you moving your landline down below it? 809 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:33,920 » No, >> it's just Well, not that I'm moving it. 810 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:40,640 I'm just It's giving enough. It's almost 15 20 feet away from the old house. 811 01:09:38,799 --> 01:09:47,279 So the lot line is just going to be squaring off instead of being on the 45. 812 01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:49,120 » Lining it up with your other lots. >> Sorry. 813 01:09:47,759 --> 01:09:55,480 » You're lining it up with the other. >> Yes, that's all I'm doing. That's all 814 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,480 I'm doing. Just scoring it all. 815 01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:06,320 » Okay. I have a couple questions with saying that that you're lining up and 816 01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:12,719 lighting up the Adobe House. Is the Adobe house going to continue to be the 817 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:18,320 with the plot from the end of your property line to 818 01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:21,520 the south side of your property? Is that included 819 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:28,000 with the subdivision that you're proposing or is it after the adobe house 820 01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:33,679 that the subdivision is being proposed? that why is 821 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:39,679 » because your pl your say A D there's no D in the picture show so I'm kind of 822 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:44,000 confused as to where you're going from point A to point B and and how it's 823 01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:50,640 going to incorporate and where does the adobe building down in this whole 824 01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:53,600 » the building is not showing there but okay 825 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:58,000 » right here >> but if you look on the very top it says 826 01:10:55,360 --> 01:11:00,560 blocks A B C and That was the 827 01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,920 » It's not in the It's not in the proposed draft, 828 01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:08,640 » right? >> So, I'm I'm confused because 829 01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:15,440 uh the numbers on the lot. So, you're saying you have 1.09, 830 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:19,440 but if you split that in two, well, how I calculated it into five 831 01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:26,080 through seven or something to the effect, you're proposing 832 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:29,760 488. And then in your paperwork for the subdivision, you're 833 01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:34,480 proposing 379. So I'm I'm just like kind of 834 01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:39,360 confused with the numbers, but again, are you going from the end of your 835 01:11:36,719 --> 01:11:46,239 property line all the way to the south side or are you going from the other 836 01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:52,080 side of the Adobe building to your >> And where does the extra lot where is 837 01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:55,840 where where is that? I don't know where it's not there but 838 01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:59,280 tell me it's going to be just lots A, B, and C. 839 01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:04,239 » Mr. Chair, keep in mind uh Commissioner uh Lucettto, keep in mind these were the 840 01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:09,280 original uh plans that he got and in lie of investing more money into this 841 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:11,600 proposed project. He's using the the the other plan. This is where the building 842 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,880 is at. >> Right. 843 01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:19,199 » Right. So he wants to move see this line here uh it's very close to the south. He 844 01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:21,920 wants to square this off. >> Right. 845 01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:25,920 » Okay. And I get that because that's the end of the property line right there. 846 01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:31,600 But again, my question is where does this 847 01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:36,080 building stand with the subdivision? Because your line is showing on that 848 01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:40,880 other place. It's showing on this side of the 849 01:12:38,159 --> 01:12:43,120 Adobe building to split these two lots. >> Yeah. There's only going to be two lots 850 01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:46,159 here. >> So the Adobe building, 851 01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:49,360 » it's going to be on one. It's going to be on one and then there's going to be 852 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:53,440 another empty lot. And there's going to be the the the hammerhead turnaround in 853 01:12:52,159 --> 01:13:00,760 between both. >> I thought hammerhead was not allowed. 854 01:12:56,000 --> 01:13:00,760 » I thought it had to be focus. 855 01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:09,239 » Yeah. >> What's a hammerhead? Go in here. Yeah, 856 01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:09,239 » I thought that was so 857 01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:20,520 » I know but he said the last time is what I'm saying. 858 01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:24,520 » This is what we're looking 859 01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:32,480 for. I appreciate that. And then the portion. 860 01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:37,679 Okay, there was kind of two things. One of them is kind of really really petty. 861 01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:43,120 But on your permit, you signed 2027 and I assume that's a typo. 862 01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:48,360 » I would say so on your permit 863 01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,360 » it. 864 01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:58,800 » Yeah. Can be rectified. And then the other 865 01:13:55,840 --> 01:14:04,480 thing was the portion where you put that it was landlocked. The land is 866 01:14:00,719 --> 01:14:09,920 landlocked. that is proven in the court of law. So if you can get that removed 867 01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:14,719 from the document that >> I'm sorry, say that again. 868 01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:20,800 » The portion on paragraph three where it says Mr. Bernal's property is a landlock 869 01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:27,719 and not adjacent to any public access. The portion 870 01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,719 has not been proven. 871 01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:33,600 » It's not a public. That's why he couldn't use this road 872 01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:39,520 down the road. >> And that's why it's landlocked 873 01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:45,120 » because there are no other way. >> That's why he has to have a private road 874 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:53,560 versus a public road. >> It doesn't have to be approved. I wish. 875 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,560 » Well, he signed up. 876 01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:06,520 » This is why [snorts] we're here. 877 01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:24,560 Are you ready? >> Okay. Any other comments? I do have a 878 01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:31,679 couple comments of clarification because in the write up on this project, 879 01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:35,440 we say he's asking for a variance. What I'm wondering about is if you look in 880 01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:40,560 the code, it doesn't address private road at all. 881 01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:44,159 It just addresses public road. So, I'm wondering why we even have to have a 882 01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:49,360 variance. And the variance that we quoted in here was because you wanted to 883 01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:55,760 put curbon gutter. Well, where is that in our code that even addresses that? I 884 01:15:53,440 --> 01:16:01,040 mean, that's something that I'd like to see him doing that for water 885 01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:04,040 control, whatever. And I was just wondering 886 01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:15,440 because he said pray. It's hard to measure 887 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:18,960 doesn't show 80 foot in front, but I think it I think it's there, 888 01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:25,040 » but it's not a public street. >> Well, that's the whole issue. It's not a 889 01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:29,760 public road. So, uh so why are we why is it stated that there's a variance? I'd 890 01:16:27,679 --> 01:16:33,840 like to have that. >> Mr. Chair, uh commissioner, the reason 891 01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:39,440 why there's a and this was on his original uh um proposed project a year 892 01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:47,120 ago. The reason why it's being requested is because um 18 of the where see do you 893 01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:51,280 have the the the town code? 894 01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:56,640 The reason why it's requested is because um it is not right. It's a private road. 895 01:16:53,920 --> 01:17:02,320 So you the code regulates that you need to have minimum eight 8,000 square feet 896 01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:07,600 and 80 feet of adjacent to a public road. And because it's not a public 897 01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:12,560 road, uh because it is landlocked proven that there's no legal access to it, 898 01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:15,600 right? So that's that's why again staying in our purview, right? Whatever 899 01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:20,080 we're we're we're capable of understanding. Um we do need to request 900 01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:25,360 a variant and this is something that's happened and other uh summary 901 01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:30,400 subdivision as well uh to include one uh right next door that they went through a 902 01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:36,440 variance process as well because the the property is not adjacent to the public 903 01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:36,440 road 904 01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:45,679 » and and in in order for that 1740 on on the on your title 1740 with the 905 01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:50,560 subdivision there is a section on there if you look at that it proposes that it 906 01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:55,840 not proposes it states that the applicant uh variance request is to the 907 01:17:54,239 --> 01:18:01,440 commission. It's not to the board of adjustments and that is why um he's not 908 01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:04,560 going to uh the board of adjustments for a variance and then come to the 909 01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:10,640 commission for approval. This is something that as it states in our in 910 01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:15,840 our code that uh it uh it needs is decided through them. 911 01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:20,320 » Any other questions? Um I didn't I didn't see any people. Is 912 01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:23,840 there a varian form? 913 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:28,480 » No that's that is why that is the the format itself. It states on the bottom 914 01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:36,880 is there any variances being requested that is part of the subdivision of 1740 915 01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:40,880 » and it states here 1749 read 1740 1110 uh 010 sorry uh where in the case of 916 01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:44,239 particular proposed subdivision it can be shown that the strict compliance with 917 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:47,679 the requirements of this regulation would result in inhibiting uh the 918 01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:52,239 achievement of the objectives of these regulations the planning commission may 919 01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:55,520 vary modify all wave requirements no variances shall be allowed when such 920 01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:58,159 variances is requested Is it because of inadequate branch? 921 01:18:56,719 --> 01:19:01,760 » That's >> pretty clear, you know, so the the 922 01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:04,480 process goes through that. So if it doesn't need a variance, then 923 01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:07,920 » yeah, >> you don't need a beverage, but it's 924 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:11,800 better to ask for one and not need it then vice versa. 925 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:21,679 » Any other comments? Yeah, I know it was brought up during the um 926 01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:28,560 the public um statement about this project and I guess my question is can 927 01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:34,640 we even put I mean it sounds like it's more of a a a legal issue as far as how 928 01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:38,960 can we in other words if someone you know you sell your land your family 929 01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:45,840 sells the land in the future and so we have a new buyer can we really hold that 930 01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:50,080 to to the requirements that that that southern road would never be accessed 931 01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:55,080 by. It just >> it just seems like 932 01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,080 » you know I 933 01:19:55,280 --> 01:20:00,239 I'm not I'm not familiar with with with property laws and legalities and I think 934 01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:04,960 I don't think that's something that we should even consider. 935 01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:09,440 Um I I think as I mentioned is is this this application is only proposing to 936 01:20:07,679 --> 01:20:15,199 use the word he's giving himself access to and not the uh the private road being 937 01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:19,679 owned by Mr. Go. That's the best that I think I would advise go as far as but we 938 01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:23,520 you know to include an addition that that role would never be I think that's 939 01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:31,679 stepping outside of our >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Any other 940 01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:36,760 comments, questions? I think Thank you. >> Thank you. 941 01:20:32,719 --> 01:20:36,760 » So, I think we're ready for a vote. 942 01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:45,040 » If I if I may add something. >> Yes, sir. Yeah. 943 01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:49,679 » Going back to Commissioner Ggo's question. Um I apologize. I I didn't 944 01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:55,360 completely answer your question. Uh just going um based off of this image right 945 01:20:52,080 --> 01:21:00,800 here um engineers have measured and approved fire engine would be able to 946 01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:07,320 use that term towards the property. So I I want to clarify that for the record. 947 01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:07,320 » Thank you. 948 01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:23,120 I >> think we're ready for vote. 949 01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:25,440 » Yeah. >> Vice Chair Gigos. 950 01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:29,520 » Yes. >> Secretary Miller. 951 01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:32,159 » Yes. >> Commissioner Alvier. 952 01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:36,000 » Yes. >> Commissioner Mulvill. 953 01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:41,560 » No. And my reason is because I feel like we needed to address what B wanted us to 954 01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,560 address. 955 01:21:49,520 --> 01:22:00,199 Motion passes 31. All right. Thank you. Now we ready for any commissioner 956 01:21:54,560 --> 01:22:00,199 comments and um also staff comments. 957 01:22:07,679 --> 01:22:14,560 Evening again commissioners. Uh I just wanted to briefly touch upon um 958 01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:19,520 nominations and what defines a nomination, what in fact is historic and 959 01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:27,360 what is integrity. There seems to be a question um and it can be 960 01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:32,000 one item can make it historic. It doesn't have to be more than one. Um, 961 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:36,960 and I consulted with uh the state historic preservation officer regarding 962 01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:40,880 uh possible changes if changes ever needed to be made to historic 963 01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:46,080 properties, what that looks like. Um, and it is very common and I believe um, 964 01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:51,040 Mr. Chair, last time you mentioned updating the National Register and when 965 01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:56,239 you do that updating, you are changing information to a property. Um, and so a 966 01:22:54,080 --> 01:23:00,080 part of responsibility and that's up for the National Register. This is our um 967 01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:08,320 cultural historic register that I'm speaking um of in particular and it is 968 01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:12,000 always open to updating um and so I just wanted to share with you some 969 01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:17,920 information regarding that there's um technical amendments that are called and 970 01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:21,600 those are really um when you're changing uh correcting mistakes or providing new 971 01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:26,560 information about property's physical nature or um a revised property 972 01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:31,360 description or resource inventory new photograph graphs or updated maps. Um, 973 01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:36,239 this is when you're amending the national register documentation. Um, and 974 01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:41,520 it will also um it also aligns with our national with our local and cultural 975 01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:46,639 register. There's also um known as subst substantiative um amendments and these 976 01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:51,840 are those that require opinions adding new criteria or new areas of 977 01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:56,639 significance changing the periods. Um so changes are frequent um and or they they 978 01:23:54,480 --> 01:24:00,320 actually should be frequented. However, when you're making the nomination, it is 979 01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:03,440 with the n the information that is already at hand. 980 01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:06,719 » So when you say period, that's period significance. Correct. 981 01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:12,400 » Yes. So the yeah, these are just some examples. Correct. Yes. So they'll 982 01:24:08,639 --> 01:24:17,840 change um and I can um share with you with a further detail on that. But just 983 01:24:14,639 --> 01:24:22,960 a reminder also the um the national register criteria for evaluation which 984 01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:28,080 is also the one the same criteria that we abide by are the quality of 985 01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:32,880 significance in American history, architecture or archaeology, 986 01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:38,400 engineering, culture present within the districts sites, buildings, structures 987 01:24:35,679 --> 01:24:43,840 and objects that possess integrity or location design setting materials 988 01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:47,360 workmanship feeling association and Um, it can be that they are associated with 989 01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:52,719 events that have made a significant contribution or that are associated with 990 01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:57,440 the lives of persons significant in our past or that embody the distinctive 991 01:24:55,520 --> 01:25:01,679 characteristics of a type period or method of construction that represent 992 01:24:59,679 --> 01:25:08,239 the work of a master or that possess high artistic values or unique um 993 01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:13,360 architecture or that have yielded or may be likely to yield information important 994 01:25:10,639 --> 01:25:18,080 in prehistory or history. So that was just a refresher because I just want to 995 01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:22,480 really accentuate that it is just our buildings almost all of our buildings 996 01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:27,040 are historic on their own without adding any narrative to that. Um, however, 997 01:25:24,719 --> 01:25:32,560 there will be an open process and I I will begin to create a form where where 998 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:36,880 if we do decide that we need to add further information as it comes along 999 01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:40,800 that that becomes a separate document that we can kind of add on to our 1000 01:25:38,719 --> 01:25:43,600 historic local >> a little bit about who owned what at 1001 01:25:42,639 --> 01:25:48,719 certain times. >> Yes, exactly. [laughter] 1002 01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:53,920 Um, yeah. So, I just wonder any questions on that for anybody. Okay. Um 1003 01:25:51,760 --> 01:26:00,159 yeah, I just wanted to say that and I'm put it's um I'm also I just the other 1004 01:25:57,199 --> 01:26:05,199 day I had a meeting with Rio Grand Prep um on getting perhaps historic trades 1005 01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:10,719 involved with them and I have a meeting with their um construction uh instructor 1006 01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:14,639 which hopefully little by little something come out of that. I'm also 1007 01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:21,679 looking forward to having kind of a missia um history day uh with them and 1008 01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:25,199 I'm I'll be trying the once again if you don't believe me they give me literally 1009 01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:30,480 two weeks to apply for a grant. I received an applica an advis a notice 1010 01:26:28,639 --> 01:26:34,960 about two days ago and now they're saying it's due on the 18th. So, I'm 1011 01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:41,280 trying I'm scrambling to get an educational grant so that way we are 1012 01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:46,960 able to um do kind of a either I spoke with a she actually runs the programs 1013 01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:50,239 for all of Las Cru's public schools which was fantastic. I would love to 1014 01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:54,515 involve all the schools. That's a lot of work for me. Um so I was hoping you know 1015 01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:58,560 maybe we start with just the schools [laughter] within Missia and then 1016 01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:02,639 hopefully we'll work out of that. But um a competition amongst you know different 1017 01:27:00,719 --> 01:27:08,080 grades just some friendly fun competition on making perhaps some plays 1018 01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:14,159 some poster boards some a little video snippets and um they're also Rio Grand 1019 01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:18,800 Prep is also really um they possibly be interested in creating kind of a digital 1020 01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:25,280 audio tours that was something that was um so maybe having um students uh focus 1021 01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:29,040 on specific areas in the town and kind of uh giving some history on that in 1022 01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:33,199 their own perspective. I think that'd be great. Um, and also maybe it was even 1023 01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:38,719 thank you some plays and stuff. So, this is in the works if anybody's interested 1024 01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:44,239 in giving a helping hand. Um, there also um there's a teacher that is an old 1025 01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:48,880 seventh grade teacher uh that has been very involved and um he's hoping to I'm 1026 01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:53,199 hoping to connect with him. He's no longer a teacher, but he's still very 1027 01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:58,000 enthusiastic about projects such as these. So, um, but yeah, just wanted to 1028 01:27:55,679 --> 01:28:03,840 share that with you and, um, I'm trying to get our newsletter out before the the 1029 01:28:00,639 --> 01:28:07,040 celebration. Um, getting there. So, >> time 1030 01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:10,880 » getting there. Getting there. Thank you so much. Yes. 1031 01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:14,719 » You want to talk about what that mean? >> Yes. Plaza. 1032 01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:19,520 » Yes. Yes. Um, well, I will have a table. Um, there's also the the days um 1033 01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:24,400 celebration happening, I believe, both um Saturday and Sunday. Uh, Saturday 1034 01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:28,159 runs a little bit later. A lot of fun things. Um, you know, Dorothy and the 1035 01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:33,120 community development team work really hard to kind of get this together. Um, 1036 01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:39,120 so expect to have fun, but please show up. Um, if you can if you can. Um, and 1037 01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:43,679 yeah, there's ongoing and I'll actually be not this weekend but two weekends uh, 1038 01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:49,360 two weeks from now I'll be headed to Washington DC on this um, scholarship to 1039 01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:53,440 speak on preservation of Capitol Hill, which is very exciting. Um there's a lot 1040 01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:57,040 as I shared with some of you, there's a lot of things happening regarding 1041 01:28:55,280 --> 01:29:01,679 historic preservation and thank you for those who were able to attend. Um but if 1042 01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:05,440 you're still curious, please come speak with me. I'm adding that into 1043 01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:11,520 newsletter, but it's on um protecting our private lands um and kind of 1044 01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:16,159 mitigating federal undertakings and federal undertakings can be anything 1045 01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:20,960 from federal dollars to um putting up a road. So, um, just keep an eye out or 1046 01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:25,600 keep an ear out as to what those but there's always an opportunity for, uh, 1047 01:29:22,639 --> 01:29:29,840 public input and, um, I'm really looking to engage more with, uh, the mayor. 1048 01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:35,840 Hopefully, we can work towards some other projects to say that we, um, we do 1049 01:29:33,679 --> 01:29:40,000 not agree with these proposed changes that they're making. So, 1050 01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:42,320 » all right. Thank you. >> Thank you so much. 1051 01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:46,480 » Thank you. Thank you. >> We appreciate you very much. 1052 01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:50,239 » Thank you. So, I just have one last comment. Oh. 1053 01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:54,239 » Oh, go ahead. >> No, not for you. 1054 01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:56,960 » Before the meeting's over, I just want to congratulate you, Mr. Rocha. 1055 01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:00,760 » Yeah. >> On a job well done. 1056 01:30:01,199 --> 01:30:04,320 » Thank you. >> Thank you, Commissioner. Thank you, Mr. 1057 01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:08,080 Chair. >> Learn from the the best. 1058 01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:11,920 » Appreciate it. Thank you. I want to say thank you, commissioners, chair, 1059 01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:15,679 residents. I appreciate the opportunity. For me, this is an honor. 1060 01:30:13,679 --> 01:30:19,600 I look forward to more meetings. >> Thank you. 1061 01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:22,400 » All right, >> Mr. Bernal wanted to 1062 01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:27,600 » Oh, just >> I don't know if you can. 1063 01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:31,840 » Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry. >> To my case. Uh, I just had a 1064 01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:34,080 conversation with Mr. Rea's daughter. >> Yes. 1065 01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:39,760 » And, uh, I just want to put it for the record. For the record on behalf, as 1066 01:30:36,480 --> 01:30:46,080 long as I'm alive, okay? longest time of life. My kids will not use 1067 01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:48,239 that easement in the back. That's why we're 1068 01:30:46,639 --> 01:30:50,639 » Yeah. I was just more concerned about in the future 1069 01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:53,280 » for the future plans. We don't know what the future 1070 01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:57,920 » exactly like what they're saying. My kids might I may tell them back and 1071 01:30:55,040 --> 01:31:01,239 forth. You are not going to sell that. >> Money talks. 1072 01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:07,159 » Okay. >> All right. Thank you. 1073 01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:07,159 » Very good. Thank you. 1074 01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:16,639 My turn. >> Five more minutes. Give me five minutes. 1075 01:31:13,199 --> 01:31:20,560 Just real quick. Um, obviously uh most of us are going to Albuquerque tomorrow. 1076 01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:24,239 I do have the agenda there. If you haven't downloaded it yet, you should 1077 01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:30,560 already gotten a registration on your email uh for uh for the league. 1078 01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:35,360 If you don't, you're you're you're registered, but if if you have any 1079 01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:39,120 issues, just let me know. Uh, I'm planning on leaving around 8 o'clock 1080 01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:44,239 tomorrow. I'll be there before noon. Um, 12:30 is the beginning uh of the first 1081 01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:51,120 class. 12 o'clock is registration. >> Um, u 5 o'clock and then uh by then and 1082 01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:53,760 I'll already be at the hotel having everybody's room squared away. I put 1083 01:31:52,639 --> 01:31:56,960 everything under my name. So, it'll be easier I think this way. That way I'll 1084 01:31:55,520 --> 01:32:00,800 just go pick up all the cards, get the card numbers, and then I just, you know, 1085 01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:05,760 just hand them out individually. I'll do that during the uh before 5:00 during 1086 01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:09,520 when they're at the league. >> Sounds do we get reimbured for mileage? 1087 01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,679 » Reimbursement? >> Yeah. Per deal. 1088 01:32:10,719 --> 01:32:15,040 » Yes. Correct. Okay. >> Correct. Then let me just explain this 1089 01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:19,679 real quick how that works. Okay. There's actual and there's perde deal. 1090 01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:23,199 » All right. I myself didn't quite understand it and I'm I think I I 1091 01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:27,840 finally got it. >> Um if you're going actual, um you're 1092 01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:32,960 you're you're you're requesting the money in advance, right? And whenever 1093 01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:38,560 you requested your money in advance um minus gas, you know, for your food and 1094 01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:42,560 and your hotels, you get 80%. Uh we get money, but you don't you have to reserve 1095 01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:46,719 your own hotel and you have to do all your your plans, right? When you do that 1096 01:32:44,639 --> 01:32:51,199 and when you go PDM, you you save the receipts, right? And it's $65 a day, 1097 01:32:49,440 --> 01:32:55,199 right? The the receipt you save has to be itemized. So a lot of times you know 1098 01:32:52,719 --> 01:32:58,639 how the credit card uh companies or the the restaurants give you two receipts 1099 01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:02,560 once for the sign you know that's not anomi don't want to turn that in because 1100 01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:06,719 that's show anything and it needs to say and then obviously you know try not to 1101 01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:10,800 put any alcohol on it you know it's not a very good thing to put on there and if 1102 01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:15,920 there's multiple people always try to have yours on its own so there's no you 1103 01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:19,600 know argument that you know who paid what who ate what and I eat the biggest 1104 01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:21,840 most expensive stuff and it just gets crazy so just get your own obvious 1105 01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:26,639 receipt Um, and then uh the gas is they pay.7 1106 01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:32,400 cents to a gallon and that's for round trip. It's I haven't done the math. 1107 01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:35,760 » Yeah. Well, yeah. So, and if it's based off of of Google, so it's not something 1108 01:33:34,639 --> 01:33:39,120 that, >> you know, you make on your own. I took 1109 01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:45,360 the long ray out or whatever. >> Um, yeah, we're excited for the the for 1110 01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:49,760 the uh for the for the September. Uh, we do have a do have a parade starts at 10 1111 01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:53,440 o'clock. I'm excited for I keep hearing about the the 1112 01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:58,560 in Spanish you call them matachinas but the Aztec people that perform uh I've 1113 01:33:56,880 --> 01:34:03,920 never seen that and I always heard that that is so cool and it's 12 as it starts 1114 01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:08,320 at 12:30 and I I will not miss it so I'm looking forward to that and again 1115 01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:14,239 hopefully I'll see you all out there and then uh thank you and Mr. Uh, all I hear 1116 01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:17,280 was nervous, but I think he he >> for the very first time, I think he he 1117 01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:20,280 did pretty decent, a lot better than I did. 1118 01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:28,639 » And and I'll I'll try to sit out away and get any discuss because I want him 1119 01:34:26,239 --> 01:34:32,400 to go through the whole if you need me for any questions, please ask. I'm not 1120 01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:36,480 trying to like, you know, stay out of it, but I'm trying to, you know, let him 1121 01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:39,440 do everything and if any questions for me. 1122 01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:42,000 Thank you. >> Thank you. 1123 01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:52,760 You got to hit 1124 01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:01,000 your hair.