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Yeah, I'm gonna call to order

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the Charterview Committee

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meeting. Today is Thursday,

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August 14th, 2025. The time is

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7:00 p.m. It's actually 7:03

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p.m. sorry. I'll call

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attendance Ian Goslin is not

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present. Sharon Pollard not

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present. Dennis Cesario here.

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Oleni Verramos here Jennifer

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Canan here John Cummings not

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present. and Steve Sava here So

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we do have a quorum of 4. OK,

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let the record show that Sharon

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Pollard is now here. OK, next

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up, we need acceptance of the

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agenda, so move. 2. Yeah, we

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have motion by Jennifer,

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seconded by Olenni and any

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discussion. hearing none, all

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in favor, opposed? The ayes

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have it unanimously. Public

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participation, we have nobody

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present. OK, next item is, uh,

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we had a few questions that we

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put before the solicitor. um so, listen, I'm gonna pass this

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over to you. can't You have

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your my. I did give you

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recommendations, I think, 37

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and 28. So you had asked, we

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were, uh, last time discussing

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the temporary absence of the

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mayor. Yes. I will do my best.

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Um, last time we were, we were

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discussing the section 37

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temporary absence of the mayor.

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um, and we had discussions

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about how to structure that so

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that somebody could work

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remotely for a specific period

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of time, um, but, but that that

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would be limited. so I had um

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come up with some language. um

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for the consideration of the

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committee, um I think I passed

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out copies of it last time, but

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I'll read this the suggested

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language. Section 37 temporary

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absence of the mayor, acting

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mayor, so long as the mayor is

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able to discharge the duties of

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the office, they may be absent

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from the city or work remotely

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outside City Hall for a period

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of time not to exceed 7

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calendar days. On the 8th

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calendar day that the mayor is

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absent from the city or absent

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from City Hall, the acting

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mayor as designated by the

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council, shall assume the

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duties of mayor during the

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mayor's absence any time if the

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mayor is incapacitated mentally

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or physically and unable to

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fulfill the duties of their

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office. Now this is the part

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you'll have to decide what you

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wanna do as determined by a 2/3

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majority vote of the council,

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the acting mayor will assume

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the duties of the office in the

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mayor's absence and until they

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are able to return or a vacancy

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in the office is declared by a

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2/3 majority vote of the full

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council and the offices filled

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as provided in Section 38. The

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powers of the acting mayor, the

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essentially the same. Obviously

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open to debate and your

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discretion as to whether you

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want to do that. We were just

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trying to figure out to

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separate the, um. like the

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mental and physical incapacity

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piece, um, it gets a little

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dicey as to who's going to

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decide that and when it will.

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happen um so I leave that to

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your discretion, so you know

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what I'd recommend is, um, I'm

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on and um the city solicitor,

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the, the, uh, section C, where

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would you recommend that to go?

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Um so what section are we

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talking about now? Uh, you gave

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us a form defining the city

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solicitor's role recommending

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that that's, that's already in

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section 28, so it just changes

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the language that's it's in 28C,

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so it just modifies that

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language a little bit. I did

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hand that around as well,

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something for you to uh

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consider. I was asked to come

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up with some language there to

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clarify some of those issues,

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but certainly at the discretion

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of the committee whether they

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agree with that

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characterization or not. OK, so

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what I'm gonna recommend is, uh,

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we have. 37, we have 28, we

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have 33, that's since we just

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got these from you, perhaps we

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should just move on and not

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address these today. I'm gonna

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ask Lisa to email these 3

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documents to the whole

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committee. So we have some time

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to read through it and prepare

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for it for the next meeting. Is

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that all right with everyone?

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Yes You know what, there was

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also section 37 that was given

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out last week. So I'm gonna ask

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you to email everything out. OK,

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go ahead copy. Oh, he's gonna

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copy it. Good. And, and then I

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also, um, just wanna bring

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Sharon and that's it because

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Sherman wasn't here, um. I had

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distributed, um, a piece of

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paper that I think we should

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add to the charter under under

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maybe right underneath the city

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solicitor because it would be

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for the council and it would

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and it's in the municipal, it's

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in the municipal code and. um

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Paul and the chairman Ron Marcy

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had brought it in front of the

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council. The council tabled it,

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um, as an ordinance, and it's

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good, but it should be in the

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charter because the ordinance

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was made after the charter was

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made when we only had one

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attorney, one accountant, one

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clerk. It, it's, it's it has to

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be done that the Department of

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new charter that we're going to

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be. presenting to the council.

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It's just so important, it

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needs it needs to be in there.

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ordinance. I had. taken it and

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narrowed it a little bit more

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so that it would fit in the

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charter. I passed it out and I

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also showed um Paul and I said

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concern about the, the law

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department and,, and, and, and

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it's only fair for you to see

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what you know, I would like to

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see in the charter for once and

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for all. We don't have to

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discuss it, but I want to make

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sure you get a copy of that,

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but I think at the next meeting

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so we can get past this, we

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could, we should look at it and

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add the Department of Law. OK,

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that uh, your recommendation,

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the solicitor gave a section

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something that's good that can

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be in the solicitor to describe

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that, but the Department of Law

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will talk about what the um if

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you, if you look at it, it,

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it's better to for all of us to

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look at everything that I wrote.

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Paul will kind, will,, will,, reduce it if necessary,

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but it needs to be just like

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what we did with 278. When we

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bought Maggie in, we got rid of

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the accountant. It was

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considered the auditor of the

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account in, in, in the charter

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and we replaced it with the law.

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and it's a you know, so when a

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council says, well, can we call

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her? It's in there. It's, it's, it's doesn't have

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to ask me, doesn't have to ask

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anybody, just has to read the

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whoever has a concern will read

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the charter, and it will

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dictate what the job is and

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what the responsibilities of

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the council if they want

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something from um the castle.

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It is no longer their employee,

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but it gives them a guide.

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That's what I want for this, OK?

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I want a guide in here and

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basically the municipal code is

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fine, but it can get changed

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and it's just too important

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that I think it needs to be in

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our charter. So that's, that I

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don't wanna, you know, spend

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all night. Can you, can you

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email that to Lisa and I'm

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and I'm gonna ask Luisa to send

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out that and all of these to

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the committee, and these will

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be discussing at the next

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meeting. I think that would be

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a great idea. Will put time

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more try. There you go. There

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we go. um, because I'm not a

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fan of load loading things into

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the charter that maybe

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look at it. Yes. Thank you. OK,

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so at that point, why don't we

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move on then and um. uh, the

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next would be to begin the 2nd

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round of chapter 4. and 5 at

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this point. So if we go to

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chapter 4. again, I know that

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we've had, um, you know,

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vacations and everything and

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once we get through, my, my

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thought, and you can tell me

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what you wanna do, my thought

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is once we finish the 2nd

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reading of this charter. then

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we send what we think is

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complete to the call-in center.

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Let them go through it, invite

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them to that meeting and then

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we'll just get their

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recommendations for the whole

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thing. So we're at chapter 41

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right now. OK, so let's go down

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chapter 4, section 1. Do we

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have any, uh, thoughts on that?

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I do have one, if anyone. OK,

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I'm gonna, uh section 41B,

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eligibility. This is the school

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committee that we're, uh,

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covering in this chapter. So I

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think that we should go to go

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back to chapter 2-1B. and

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that's how we discussed the

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eligibility of the city council.

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and I think that we should take

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that same wording. and let me

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just find it 2 1B. At least the

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first section of it where it

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should say, only voters who at

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all times during their term of

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office shall be and remain

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residents of the city of. of

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the city shall be eligible to

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hold the office of City council

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and leave it at that. So I'm

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sorry? I'm sorry, school com it

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says counsel. I thought I was

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being smart by changing it. uh,

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of school committee So, um, I'd

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like someone to make a motion

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if, if everyone's OK with that.

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Only voters who at all times

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during their term of office.

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shall be and remain residents

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of the city. says again, shall

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be eligible. to hold office of

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the school committee. so the

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same language that we the same

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language from section 21B,

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except, you know, stop where it

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goes on to a member of the city

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council can move from district

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to district because that

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doesn't apply. I'll make that

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motion OK. Do we have a second?

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I'll make that motion. We have

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a motion to say any discussion?

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OK, then, if not, uh, we'll

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close the discussion all in

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favor. I oppose the ICE have it

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unanimously. so that will mean

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if somebody moves they're out

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If they move out of the city,

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then obviously they have to

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give up their position. and or

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if they deregister from voting.

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If they want you guys to speak

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what says voters, so you, you

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have to be a registered voter,

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so. yeah, well that's what we, did in Section 21. Do you

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see a problem with that? I'm

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just saying so people know

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that's what it's gonna be. So

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if somebody's. no, no, I'm, I'm

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just saying we're just, yeah,

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that's right. I don't see any

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problem with it. I'm just just.

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domicile is basically a place

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where you reside and, and plan

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to stay there permanently. and,

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you know, so you have to

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sometimes they look at voter

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rolls, they look at if you pay

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taxes, rent, um, but it, it's a

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place where you intend to to

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remain permanently. I think

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you've defined it as where you

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rest your head, uh, for more

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than 6 months or something, but.

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it's, well, I mean, there's

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nothing wrong with this, but.

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you gotta, uh, you mute it

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again. You still didn't do it.

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You gotta make sure it's green.

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Should be green, you go. Um,

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you know, in theory, they, they

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could have a house here and

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move out and say that they, I

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don't know. Does domicile say

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that you have to actually

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reside there every day. It's

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kind of a legal concept. It's, residence plus intent to

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remain indefinitely. So it

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becomes a little hard to. I

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mean. I, I wasn't making a

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judgment as to whether voter

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was good or bad. That's

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something that's easy to verify,

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right? We just, you look and

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you're either registered voter

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or you're not. If you're not,

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you either have to be if you

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want to serve. or not. OK,

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thank you. OK. But in other

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communities like this, this

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language now will say at all

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times. So in other places.

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there's different language in

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their charter. It might say, uh,

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if you're elected but you're

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removed from the district, you

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can fill out your term but you

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can't run again. This will say,

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this says. the minute you're

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out of town you're out. Well,

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if you're a school committee

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member, I'm not saying that it should be that way. I, I don't disagree. I'm just

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saying that will be the effect

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if you're no longer living in

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the town, even in the middle of

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your term, it terminates your

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office. I mean, now of course

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there'll be disputes about that,

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but. that's the idea, uh, the

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intent behind it, that if

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you're no longer living here,

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you should be off. All right,

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so we voted on that. We'll move

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on to Section 4-2 Organization.

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Any issues with A or B or? Just

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have Lisa change the word

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chairman to president. OK, Vice President, because that's

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what we had decided throughout

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the whole document. So anywhere

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in, in 4 where it says chair,

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it will say president. OK, and

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vice chair would be vice

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president, OK. Now, um, and

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again, the mayor shall serve,

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shall be eligible to serve as

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an officer. or an officer, um

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so I would just point out

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there's a, there's a conflict

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here. that you might want to

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reconcile, so in 41, it says

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that the mayor shall also serve

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as the chairman of the school

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committee. and then in this

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section it says that there

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shall be. uh an election or

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organized from among the

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members.. Choose a chairman and

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vice chairman, so. you may

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wanna Oh, is it? OK. You mean

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it was crossed out 41841. Right

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So the question here is, if I

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don't know if we did that, it's

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not corrected so we can, we can,

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if someone wants to. if someone

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wants to remove the that night

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when we talked about the

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section, so I don't think I

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don't have a recollection. I

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think we actually decided on it.

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I, I think we did. but I, I, I

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don't think we think the two

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mayors because I was on. the, last committee and I I

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voted because we had people who

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actually came to the meeting,

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who was on the school committee,

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and they asked us that they

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would prefer that the chair not

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be the mayor, but we have two

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sitting mayors here, and I

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think they gave a very good

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argument in my opinion, hearing

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nothing, we're a whole new

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group just because one group

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did something and the fact that

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they said that they were

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running the city, you know, as

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the mayor. I supported that and

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I, and we did make the decision.

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I think we took a vote and it

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passed that that the um that

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the mayor would be the chair.

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Yeah, well, so that that was

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done by home rule and voter

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approval that the mayor was put

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place as chair. I'm just saying

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the other section we should.

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make consistent and and not

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specify that they can go ahead

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and elect somebody else. I

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think let's ask the charter in

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a lot of places is sort of left

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over from you know, didn't get

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updated so now's your chance to

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update the the language so it's

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consistent with that. So should

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we vote on it again just uh so

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the question is. Elenni, to

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have the mayor not be the chair

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or the president of the school

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committee. He wasn't digesting

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that. I was suggesting that you

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change 42 organizations so it

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doesn't say that they're going

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to organize an elect a chair

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because they we crossed it out.

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Oh, did you cross it out? Oh,

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you already did that. We

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already did. We voted, we voted

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on that. You already voted on

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that, OK, sure. I wasn't here

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for that meeting. No part. Hold

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on. What we gotta do what we

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gotta do is either voted no, no,

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guys, we have to either change

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41A or we gotta change. 4, uh,

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42. Jennifer says you voted

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previously to change 42. You do,

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so we did vote to so one would

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be consistent where it says the

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mayor shall serve as the seven

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member and also serve as the

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chairperson. That is correct

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because when we went to 42,

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which if you look, it says the

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school committee shall annually

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shall serve organized by

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election from among its members

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and then it says a chairperson,

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it's crossed out, it's stricken

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in my, in my first copy that we

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voted this this committee voted

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on. So you struck the word

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chair, so you're all sad. I'll

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be honest, I thought that they

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were struck because it was

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supposed to be president and

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vice president, well, that one

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will be vice president there,

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but the chairman itself was

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completely crossed out and we

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voted on a motion to clean this

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up again because I don't, it's

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not on here. OK, well if Jen

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has it, we voted on it. He did,

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but I will not have it, uh,

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Section 412's gonna stay the

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same. Can you read it? Can you

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read what it should be so I can

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see if I have it. Dennis, look

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at Dennis's. This is Lisa's

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poppy she gave us, so this. and

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the Oh it is OK, and the only

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change that we'll make that I was speaking of in in

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the Lenni when she said vice

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and the reason it said say

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chair, it will say vice

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president, right, right, right,

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OK. Other than that doesn't

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talk about everything's gonna

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stay. OK, so it should be strit

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here here it says the mayor is

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the chair. Yeah, but you don't

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have to so we don't have to do

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it. All right. All we're

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dealing with vice chair, so

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we're good. So why don't I make

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a motion to accept this 4-2 as was written in the first and

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voted on it's actually here. I

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do have it. We're, we're good.

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So sorry. That's OK. All right,

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section 4 I missed that meeting.

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42B. Anything on 42B. OK,

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hearing none, we'll go on to 42,

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43 prohibitions. I do have a

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recommendation on this one. no

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former member of the school

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committee shall hold any

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compensated city school office.

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or city school employment until

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this says one year. but if we

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changed it elsewhere. We did it

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on the council, so we should

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match what it says in section

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2-5. to 2 2-5, it was changed

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to 2 years. So we need someone

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to make a motion to change this

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to 2 years that motion. OK,

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motion and in a second, so any

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discussion on changing that to

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2 years. Um, go ahead, you can

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take the vote. OK, all in favor

550
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:27,231
oppose aye. I know. I'm meaning

551
00:28:24,063 --> 00:28:29,433
I oppose what though. So let me

552
00:28:27,233 --> 00:28:36,640
get a roll call for the record.

553
00:28:29,435 --> 00:28:37,908
um Jen, Paleti? No Sharon. Yes,

554
00:28:36,642 --> 00:28:40,311
Dennis, and myself, the chair,

555
00:28:37,910 --> 00:28:42,379
yes, so it passes. So now

556
00:28:40,313 --> 00:28:46,316
they're both consistent I voted

557
00:28:42,381 --> 00:28:51,388
against Oh, OK. And, um,

558
00:28:46,318 --> 00:28:56,393
anything else on 43? OK, then

559
00:28:51,390 --> 00:28:57,928
we can move on Section 44.

560
00:28:56,395 --> 00:29:02,399
There were no changes, Mr.

561
00:28:57,930 --> 00:29:05,970
Chairman. No, in Section 45.

562
00:29:02,401 --> 00:29:06,870
Sector 46 let me if I'm going

563
00:29:05,972 --> 00:29:10,975
too fast. I don't have any

564
00:29:06,872 --> 00:29:19,283
notes and. Section 47 filling

565
00:29:10,977 --> 00:29:26,623
in a vacancies. OK, Section 48,

566
00:29:19,285 --> 00:29:31,695
budget hearing. I'll tell you,

567
00:29:26,625 --> 00:29:33,997
and that is it for Chet. for,

568
00:29:31,697 --> 00:29:35,432
um, chapter chapter 4. Do we

569
00:29:33,999 --> 00:29:37,234
want it just for the sake of it,

570
00:29:35,434 --> 00:29:39,303
just say we'll accept Chapter 4

571
00:29:37,236 --> 00:29:40,904
we need a motion to accept all

572
00:29:39,305 --> 00:29:44,842
of Article 4 as, as amend a

573
00:29:40,906 --> 00:29:47,477
motion to um accept um all

574
00:29:44,844 --> 00:29:49,979
Section 4 as amended tonight.

575
00:29:47,479 --> 00:29:52,248
Rebecca We will motion the 2nd,

576
00:29:49,981 --> 00:29:57,120
all in favor. opposed. You guys

577
00:29:52,250 --> 00:30:02,126
have a unanimous OK, moving on

578
00:29:57,122 --> 00:30:03,727
to Article 5. This is other

579
00:30:02,128 --> 00:30:07,964
elected officials, 51 housing

580
00:30:03,729 --> 00:30:08,866
Authority. 52 City

581
00:30:07,966 --> 00:30:10,767
representatives to the greater

582
00:30:08,868 --> 00:30:12,402
Lawrence Technical School.

583
00:30:10,769 --> 00:30:14,004
Sorry, uh, since I wasn't at

584
00:30:12,404 --> 00:30:15,204
the meeting, were there any

585
00:30:14,006 --> 00:30:19,175
change that does not appear

586
00:30:15,206 --> 00:30:21,011
there were any changes to these

587
00:30:19,177 --> 00:30:22,612
two sections for housing

588
00:30:21,013 --> 00:30:24,181
authority or Greater Lawrence

589
00:30:22,614 --> 00:30:25,448
Technical District. Is that

590
00:30:24,183 --> 00:30:27,884
correct I don't think there

591
00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:29,419
were. OK I'm looking at my

592
00:30:27,886 --> 00:30:30,954
second copy's wondering if you

593
00:30:29,421 --> 00:30:32,689
ever yellowed out, um, I'm not

594
00:30:30,956 --> 00:30:34,624
using the yellow out so. The

595
00:30:32,691 --> 00:30:36,426
only thing I can think of why

596
00:30:34,626 --> 00:30:38,027
it's in yellow is maybe we made

597
00:30:36,428 --> 00:30:39,362
a new section 5 for the House

598
00:30:38,029 --> 00:30:41,030
of Authority from our old

599
00:30:39,364 --> 00:30:42,899
charter. That's the only reason

600
00:30:41,032 --> 00:30:44,668
why I think the whole thing is

601
00:30:42,901 --> 00:30:46,469
yellowed out. We had a new

602
00:30:44,670 --> 00:30:49,606
section and then section 53

603
00:30:46,471 --> 00:30:51,374
elected members of the library.

604
00:30:49,608 --> 00:30:55,145
So that is everything for

605
00:30:51,376 --> 00:30:56,479
Article 5. Anything? So sorry,

606
00:30:55,147 --> 00:30:58,648
just one more question of

607
00:30:56,481 --> 00:30:59,916
confirmation. I know that, um,

608
00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:01,985
when we had public

609
00:30:59,918 --> 00:31:04,788
participation, there was, uh,

610
00:31:01,987 --> 00:31:08,324
one or two persons that spoke

611
00:31:04,790 --> 00:31:11,161
about uh, not having the limit

612
00:31:08,326 --> 00:31:13,663
on the, uh, Nevins Library

613
00:31:11,163 --> 00:31:15,765
Board of Trustees. Um, it looks

614
00:31:13,665 --> 00:31:17,534
like we moved to keep it all

615
00:31:15,767 --> 00:31:20,537
consistent, so it's the limit

616
00:31:17,536 --> 00:31:23,540
is there, is that correct? Yeah,

617
00:31:20,539 --> 00:31:25,542
well, no, there was a gentleman

618
00:31:23,542 --> 00:31:26,976
named Ralph Krahman. um, but if

619
00:31:25,544 --> 00:31:29,145
they want to go over the 10,

620
00:31:26,978 --> 00:31:31,214
they can just come to council

621
00:31:29,147 --> 00:31:33,182
and request over the 10. OK,

622
00:31:31,216 --> 00:31:34,550
thank you. Well, hold on a

623
00:31:33,184 --> 00:31:38,521
minute then. That's interesting

624
00:31:34,552 --> 00:31:39,756
because. if this is saying that

625
00:31:38,523 --> 00:31:42,225
no person shall hold elected

626
00:31:39,758 --> 00:31:45,895
office. for more than 3

627
00:31:42,227 --> 00:31:50,033
consecutive terms. I believe

628
00:31:45,897 --> 00:31:53,503
it's the rules. of the council

629
00:31:50,035 --> 00:31:55,104
where it applies to

630
00:31:53,505 --> 00:31:56,773
appointments committees, so I

631
00:31:55,106 --> 00:31:58,108
don't know if you can just you

632
00:31:56,775 --> 00:32:01,644
can't waive the charter, the

633
00:31:58,110 --> 00:32:03,246
rules of the charter. So this

634
00:32:01,646 --> 00:32:04,280
is pretty solid that if you

635
00:32:03,248 --> 00:32:06,449
have somebody that's served

636
00:32:04,282 --> 00:32:07,983
more than 3 consecutive terms.

637
00:32:06,451 --> 00:32:09,118
The only way around that is a

638
00:32:07,985 --> 00:32:11,855
charter amendment that has to

639
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:14,791
go to the state, right? Right.

640
00:32:11,857 --> 00:32:16,859
So I think the concern

641
00:32:14,793 --> 00:32:19,628
initially was about the

642
00:32:16,861 --> 00:32:21,764
appointments. So whether, uh,

643
00:32:19,630 --> 00:32:25,235
right when if they were beyond

644
00:32:21,766 --> 00:32:27,203
the 10 year term, they had to

645
00:32:25,237 --> 00:32:28,704
uh. yeah yeah we had to come

646
00:32:27,205 --> 00:32:29,872
back and and do the

647
00:32:28,706 --> 00:32:31,841
appointments, but this is, this

648
00:32:29,874 --> 00:32:34,644
is elected. This is the elected

649
00:32:31,843 --> 00:32:35,678
position. OK. Yeah. I think

650
00:32:34,646 --> 00:32:38,914
keeping it, as you said though,

651
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,516
to your point continuity with

652
00:32:38,916 --> 00:32:43,986
all the, so we're consistent

653
00:32:40,518 --> 00:32:45,255
with it. Yeah. Did you have

654
00:32:43,988 --> 00:32:47,656
anything on that or no? You're

655
00:32:45,257 --> 00:32:49,124
good with that? OK. All right,

656
00:32:47,658 --> 00:32:50,560
so it's chapter 53, we're good.

657
00:32:49,126 --> 00:32:52,095
We're gonna move Article 53.

658
00:32:50,562 --> 00:32:54,897
We're gonna now move on to

659
00:32:52,097 --> 00:32:57,199
Article 6. You want me to make

660
00:32:54,899 --> 00:33:00,336
a motion to accept any changes

661
00:32:57,201 --> 00:33:03,939
that were made in Article 5. as

662
00:33:00,338 --> 00:33:07,377
presented. 2, we motion the 2nd.

663
00:33:03,941 --> 00:33:10,012
All in favor? I opposed. The

664
00:33:07,379 --> 00:33:12,948
ice have it passes unanimously.

665
00:33:10,014 --> 00:33:17,953
Now we go to Article 6. Finance

666
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:22,224
and fiscal procedures. So we

667
00:33:17,955 --> 00:33:36,272
have section 6162, and 63 so

668
00:33:22,226 --> 00:33:39,608
far, anything. How about 64

669
00:33:36,274 --> 00:33:45,615
Section 65 Now I have a note to

670
00:33:39,610 --> 00:33:47,216
see the Collins Center, um, on

671
00:33:45,617 --> 00:33:48,951
section 65, what they're

672
00:33:47,218 --> 00:33:52,021
recommending, so let me find my

673
00:33:48,953 --> 00:33:54,022
notes here I had, uh, Lisa send

674
00:33:52,023 --> 00:33:57,159
that out to everyone. All of

675
00:33:54,024 --> 00:34:09,705
their answers Uh, let's see

676
00:33:57,161 --> 00:34:11,840
here are, are you are you on,

677
00:34:09,707 --> 00:34:13,542
um section, um, I think you

678
00:34:11,842 --> 00:34:15,110
went a little quick, 6th school

679
00:34:13,544 --> 00:34:17,113
operating budget. There's also

680
00:34:15,112 --> 00:34:19,582
some language in this that says

681
00:34:17,115 --> 00:34:24,820
the CDC discussed the language.

682
00:34:19,584 --> 00:34:26,321
Um, that's under 6 6-4 action

683
00:34:24,822 --> 00:34:27,890
on the operating budget. Have

684
00:34:26,323 --> 00:34:29,124
we made a determination on the

685
00:34:27,892 --> 00:34:30,059
language we want in there. No,

686
00:34:29,126 --> 00:34:42,471
let's go back and do that. I

687
00:34:30,061 --> 00:34:50,145
just missed that on my notes. 5,

688
00:34:42,473 --> 00:34:54,850
Jen, did you have that from the,

689
00:34:50,147 --> 00:34:55,918
uh, Collins 64s. They said

690
00:34:54,852 --> 00:35:15,604
there's 3 different groups of

691
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:17,973
questions. So let me look here.

692
00:35:15,606 --> 00:35:19,941
From June 11th, Steve Uh, I

693
00:35:17,975 --> 00:35:21,509
think it was in June 11th. I

694
00:35:19,943 --> 00:35:30,318
have it. If you'd like to look

695
00:35:21,511 --> 00:35:32,788
at it So, um, I don't. buy for

696
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:39,761
It was in their emails. What he

697
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:41,997
did was he gave us um some

698
00:35:39,763 --> 00:35:45,600
samples of other. other

699
00:35:41,999 --> 00:35:54,276
communities I have, but it's, the June 11th, uh, Mhm.

700
00:35:48,405 --> 00:35:56,278
memo from the call-in center.

701
00:35:54,278 --> 00:36:01,082
And the question we had on that,

702
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:04,019
I believe, was, um, how we can

703
00:36:01,084 --> 00:36:05,587
notify, right? And I thought he

704
00:36:04,021 --> 00:36:08,590
did come back on that. It might

705
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:11,359
have been the original one. um,

706
00:36:08,592 --> 00:36:13,728
yeah, it is. Question 4. This

707
00:36:11,361 --> 00:36:18,834
was in the original, um,

708
00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:20,402
answers we got from him. I

709
00:36:18,836 --> 00:36:25,240
think he said that there was no

710
00:36:20,404 --> 00:36:27,042
definition of um newspaper of

711
00:36:25,242 --> 00:36:28,476
general circulation. I recall

712
00:36:27,044 --> 00:36:29,878
that. It's right here if you

713
00:36:28,478 --> 00:36:31,713
want to read it. Oh, is this

714
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:39,454
that same thing? No, it's on

715
00:36:31,715 --> 00:36:42,590
this section, but for. this was

716
00:36:39,456 --> 00:36:50,398
the original answers we got.

717
00:36:42,592 --> 00:36:53,935
Question 5 Mhm. 15 2025 Yeah,

718
00:36:50,400 --> 00:37:00,074
good question two question It

719
00:36:53,937 --> 00:37:03,611
was actually, um. streamline

720
00:37:00,076 --> 00:37:05,046
yeah, with the, with the, um

721
00:37:03,613 --> 00:37:08,249
it's actually question 4. His

722
00:37:05,048 --> 00:37:10,418
answer to question 4. It says

723
00:37:08,251 --> 00:37:11,886
that the one I have done that

724
00:37:10,420 --> 00:37:13,889
it's the phrase mirrors

725
00:37:11,888 --> 00:37:16,157
language used in MGL Chapter 44,

726
00:37:13,891 --> 00:37:17,692
Section 32. which governs the

727
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:19,827
submission of municipal budgets

728
00:37:17,694 --> 00:37:22,230
in cities. Section 1 of this

729
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:24,365
chapter, the definition does

730
00:37:22,232 --> 00:37:25,967
not define newspaper of general

731
00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:27,235
circulation, though not defying

732
00:37:25,969 --> 00:37:29,104
the assumption has been that

733
00:37:27,237 --> 00:37:30,505
any newspaper that is generally

734
00:37:29,106 --> 00:37:31,472
available to residents has

735
00:37:30,507 --> 00:37:33,374
determined by the

736
00:37:31,474 --> 00:37:34,575
administration would qualify.

737
00:37:33,376 --> 00:37:35,910
And as technology has changed,

738
00:37:34,577 --> 00:37:37,745
there's a strong trend around

739
00:37:35,912 --> 00:37:38,380
Commonwealth to add the city

740
00:37:37,747 --> 00:37:41,782
website to the posting

741
00:37:38,382 --> 00:37:43,318
requirements. We kind of went

742
00:37:41,784 --> 00:37:46,253
with that, yeah, we did, we did

743
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:49,757
it. That was 5, but now we're

744
00:37:46,255 --> 00:37:51,659
on, um. we're on section 64

745
00:37:49,759 --> 00:37:55,196
right now. And then we'll get

746
00:37:51,661 --> 00:37:56,998
to 5. I didn't. No, no, I think

747
00:37:55,198 --> 00:37:59,333
he basically, um, I mean,

748
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,270
solicitor, what is your opinion

749
00:37:59,335 --> 00:38:07,775
on check section, um. 64 as far

750
00:38:02,272 --> 00:38:08,710
as um. the way it's treated now,

751
00:38:07,777 --> 00:38:11,245
the city council should publish

752
00:38:08,712 --> 00:38:15,683
in at least one local newspaper.

753
00:38:11,247 --> 00:38:17,218
And on the city's website and I

754
00:38:15,685 --> 00:38:21,723
think we want a clarification,

755
00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:23,257
but I think that um I think we

756
00:38:21,725 --> 00:38:24,225
still have to publish it in a

757
00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:25,927
newspaper because people don't

758
00:38:24,227 --> 00:38:27,228
always have access, so I don't

759
00:38:25,929 --> 00:38:28,563
think a note next to my thing

760
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:31,032
that says we must keep

761
00:38:28,565 --> 00:38:33,901
newspaper because it's defined

762
00:38:31,034 --> 00:38:35,503
by chapter 44, but I don't see

763
00:38:33,903 --> 00:38:37,038
the language about the

764
00:38:35,505 --> 00:38:40,374
publication on the website. Am

765
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:42,710
I seeing that? Uh, you got,

766
00:38:40,376 --> 00:38:44,979
you're muted, Paul. You can put

767
00:38:42,712 --> 00:38:49,383
that in. Yeah, so we should add

768
00:38:44,981 --> 00:38:54,288
in. the language, um. to the

769
00:38:49,385 --> 00:38:55,857
city website. as well I think

770
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:58,659
we had language earlier that

771
00:38:55,859 --> 00:39:00,261
was like municipal website and

772
00:38:58,661 --> 00:39:02,930
social media accounts or

773
00:39:00,263 --> 00:39:05,533
something. So, so if you look

774
00:39:02,932 --> 00:39:07,468
at what's in Section 64 right

775
00:39:05,535 --> 00:39:09,270
now. It says the city

776
00:39:07,470 --> 00:39:10,938
councilshall publish in at

777
00:39:09,272 --> 00:39:12,874
least one local newspaper and

778
00:39:10,940 --> 00:39:14,141
on the city's website. Oh, I

779
00:39:12,876 --> 00:39:19,547
don't have that in my, maybe

780
00:39:14,143 --> 00:39:20,548
I'm reading a different copy.

781
00:39:19,549 --> 00:39:21,949
Do you have that in your car?

782
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:24,552
Yeah, I have a different

783
00:39:21,951 --> 00:39:25,353
version too, but you see that,

784
00:39:24,554 --> 00:39:26,821
uh, the city council shall

785
00:39:25,355 --> 00:39:28,289
publish in at least one local

786
00:39:26,823 --> 00:39:30,591
newspaper and on the city's

787
00:39:28,291 --> 00:39:33,361
website. OK so they must be

788
00:39:30,593 --> 00:39:38,032
looking at an older uh sorry.

789
00:39:33,363 --> 00:39:39,366
Yeah. So I think it's in there.

790
00:39:38,034 --> 00:39:40,834
It's already in there. I must

791
00:39:39,368 --> 00:39:43,237
be looking at the older version.

792
00:39:40,836 --> 00:39:51,245
So, so then we can jump to 65

793
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:58,852
now. There was a question on

794
00:39:51,247 --> 00:39:59,987
the 2nd paragraph of 65. right,

795
00:39:58,854 --> 00:40:08,863
and that's where they did give

796
00:39:59,989 --> 00:40:09,730
us, um question 6. Lia must. Oh,

797
00:40:08,865 --> 00:40:11,732
you're saying it was in there,

798
00:40:09,732 --> 00:40:12,533
huh? It's already in. We must

799
00:40:11,734 --> 00:40:14,402
have already voted, I was

800
00:40:12,535 --> 00:40:16,370
looking in the public hearings

801
00:40:14,404 --> 00:40:18,806
section, not the, uh, Section C.

802
00:40:16,372 --> 00:40:20,674
I was looking at A as Jen

803
00:40:18,808 --> 00:40:24,478
pointed out, as I said, not

804
00:40:20,676 --> 00:40:30,918
feeling so well. Brain's all

805
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:34,187
right. I understoma. like

806
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:38,558
that's in there. What, what, uh the Collins

807
00:40:36,158 --> 00:40:39,827
Center said, you see it on, uh,

808
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,762
June 11th. It's, is that what

809
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:55,375
you're looking at? So if the

810
00:40:41,764 --> 00:40:58,512
chief administration Yeah

811
00:40:55,377 --> 00:41:02,182
That's a different one. we're

812
00:40:58,514 --> 00:41:04,585
talking about um. 65 now. We're

813
00:41:02,184 --> 00:41:06,120
talking about, uh, we moved on.

814
00:41:04,587 --> 00:41:08,488
The chief administrative of

815
00:41:06,122 --> 00:41:10,791
financial officer, look at the

816
00:41:08,490 --> 00:41:12,459
second paragraph of 65. The way

817
00:41:10,793 --> 00:41:13,527
it's written right now if the

818
00:41:12,461 --> 00:41:15,829
chief administrative and

819
00:41:13,529 --> 00:41:17,164
financial officer fails to

820
00:41:15,831 --> 00:41:20,801
provide such certification

821
00:41:17,166 --> 00:41:22,336
within 7 days. after a request

822
00:41:20,803 --> 00:41:23,570
for such certification from the

823
00:41:22,338 --> 00:41:26,673
mayor, city council, school

824
00:41:23,572 --> 00:41:28,174
committee. the appropriation

825
00:41:26,675 --> 00:41:29,543
order, financial transfer,

826
00:41:28,176 --> 00:41:32,746
ordinance revision, special

827
00:41:29,545 --> 00:41:34,348
legislation. borrowing

828
00:41:32,748 --> 00:41:36,683
authorization, lease contract

829
00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:37,951
agreement. for a term more than,

830
00:41:36,685 --> 00:41:43,824
uh, of more than one fiscal

831
00:41:37,953 --> 00:41:44,758
year or collective. collective

832
00:41:43,826 --> 00:41:47,227
bargaining agreement may be

833
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,329
approved. provided, however,

834
00:41:47,229 --> 00:41:51,198
that the absence of the

835
00:41:49,331 --> 00:41:53,167
certification of the officer

836
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,500
shall be expressly noticed. in

837
00:41:53,169 --> 00:41:55,569
the order of vote. So I think

838
00:41:54,502 --> 00:42:00,574
it's saying if they don't

839
00:41:55,571 --> 00:42:01,708
answer within 7 days. it goes

840
00:42:00,576 --> 00:42:03,910
through. Um, and that's what

841
00:42:01,710 --> 00:42:07,648
it's in here, all right, so we

842
00:42:03,912 --> 00:42:09,182
actually we actually included

843
00:42:07,650 --> 00:42:11,284
the recommendations of the

844
00:42:09,184 --> 00:42:15,956
call-in center into section 65.

845
00:42:11,286 --> 00:42:27,534
We already did that. OK, so we

846
00:42:15,958 --> 00:42:43,917
can move on. Section 66. or

847
00:42:27,536 --> 00:42:51,925
section 67. Yeah 68 is the

848
00:42:43,919 --> 00:42:54,794
independent audit. So section

849
00:42:51,927 --> 00:43:00,967
69 financial impacts. of long

850
00:42:54,796 --> 00:43:02,702
term commitments. So we did ask

851
00:43:00,969 --> 00:43:07,107
the call-in center on question

852
00:43:02,704 --> 00:43:12,111
6. to find out how other cities

853
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:17,550
and towns act. on Section 69 So

854
00:43:12,113 --> 00:43:19,118
they did give us several pages

855
00:43:17,552 --> 00:43:21,287
of how other cities were

856
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:24,457
handling it, so he gave us, um,

857
00:43:21,289 --> 00:43:28,862
Amesbury Attleborough, Fall

858
00:43:24,459 --> 00:43:30,363
River. Framingham Did everyone

859
00:43:28,864 --> 00:43:31,865
have a chance to look at that

860
00:43:30,365 --> 00:43:33,733
and kind of see what they liked

861
00:43:31,867 --> 00:43:35,735
out of that. We're looking at

862
00:43:33,735 --> 00:43:39,605
the Conne Collin center answers

863
00:43:35,737 --> 00:43:42,208
to question 6 on on June 11th.

864
00:43:39,607 --> 00:43:44,477
No, I have it, yeah. I have it.

865
00:43:42,210 --> 00:43:48,381
OK, so you need two copies.

866
00:43:44,479 --> 00:43:49,482
June, the June 11th. for I'd

867
00:43:48,383 --> 00:43:51,084
like to I think that might be

868
00:43:49,484 --> 00:43:56,489
part of the problem. You don't

869
00:43:51,086 --> 00:43:57,791
have these yeah. yeah This is

870
00:43:56,491 --> 00:44:01,294
their answers from June, June

871
00:43:57,793 --> 00:44:02,628
11th that we're talking about.

872
00:44:01,296 --> 00:44:05,965
I wonder if I have some of

873
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:07,233
these. I don't. All right,

874
00:44:05,967 --> 00:44:29,422
we'll give them a second to

875
00:44:07,235 --> 00:44:30,924
just, um make copies

876
00:44:29,424 --> 00:44:31,857
Interesting to me that they,

877
00:44:30,926 --> 00:44:34,493
they're saying that most of

878
00:44:31,859 --> 00:44:35,862
these communities delegate that

879
00:44:34,495 --> 00:44:37,363
to the mayor as opposed to the

880
00:44:35,864 --> 00:44:40,599
chief financial officer. Look,

881
00:44:37,365 --> 00:44:41,500
he said, I can't hear you that

882
00:44:40,601 --> 00:44:42,968
they delegate that

883
00:44:41,502 --> 00:44:44,703
responsibility to the mayor,

884
00:44:42,970 --> 00:44:45,938
the financial responsibility.

885
00:44:44,705 --> 00:44:47,540
as opposed the question we also

886
00:44:45,940 --> 00:44:52,044
had though was when it says a

887
00:44:47,542 --> 00:44:55,481
reasonable period of time. No

888
00:44:52,046 --> 00:44:57,450
it's just a comment. um, that

889
00:44:55,483 --> 00:44:59,919
they're saying that most

890
00:44:57,452 --> 00:45:04,156
communities in the Commonwealth.

891
00:44:59,921 --> 00:45:06,325
signed this financial section

892
00:45:04,158 --> 00:45:07,693
in 6th. to be the

893
00:45:06,327 --> 00:45:12,031
responsibility of the mayor and

894
00:45:07,695 --> 00:45:13,833
not the cattle. So that's in

895
00:45:12,033 --> 00:45:16,769
here ideally they should work

896
00:45:13,835 --> 00:45:20,372
together on it. but um I think

897
00:45:16,771 --> 00:45:28,314
it's because the Yeah, that's

898
00:45:20,374 --> 00:45:37,256
probably true, yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

899
00:45:28,316 --> 00:45:38,857
that's a good point All right,

900
00:45:37,258 --> 00:45:45,731
if anyone's watching, we're

901
00:45:38,859 --> 00:45:54,739
just waiting for copies. Good. Good. She's sometimes she

902
00:45:52,272 --> 00:45:55,608
doesn't do nothing she just

903
00:45:54,741 --> 00:46:07,219
want today I know what you're

904
00:45:55,610 --> 00:46:08,253
doing. I of the cia I that made

905
00:46:07,221 --> 00:46:14,160
a statement for the first time

906
00:46:08,255 --> 00:46:19,364
the you. So when you read the

907
00:46:14,162 --> 00:46:22,034
current section 69. that led us

908
00:46:19,366 --> 00:46:41,587
to Osa Collin Center for.

909
00:46:22,036 --> 00:46:48,427
recommendations I gotta get my

910
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:54,667
end back, so. I, I gave you my

911
00:46:48,429 --> 00:46:58,336
original. I didn't get it. Mr.

912
00:46:54,669 --> 00:47:00,772
Chair just, just as a, uh, an

913
00:46:58,338 --> 00:47:01,941
editorial comment. I, the last

914
00:47:00,774 --> 00:47:03,175
sentence of the section or

915
00:47:01,943 --> 00:47:05,377
we're reviewing right now is

916
00:47:03,177 --> 00:47:07,279
something I think is important

917
00:47:05,379 --> 00:47:10,316
that be included that the chief

918
00:47:07,281 --> 00:47:12,651
or the Cafo, uh, also, uh,

919
00:47:10,318 --> 00:47:14,586
certified that in their opinion

920
00:47:12,653 --> 00:47:16,922
that the report that's been

921
00:47:14,588 --> 00:47:18,056
prepared at physical impact is

922
00:47:16,924 --> 00:47:20,525
consistent with their thoughts

923
00:47:18,058 --> 00:47:23,796
as well. Just even though it's

924
00:47:20,527 --> 00:47:25,730
theory the mayor. you know, the

925
00:47:23,798 --> 00:47:27,065
Capo reports to the mayor. but

926
00:47:25,732 --> 00:47:28,266
I like that last sentence. I

927
00:47:27,067 --> 00:47:34,806
think it just increases

928
00:47:28,268 --> 00:47:36,241
accountability. Thank you. OK,

929
00:47:34,808 --> 00:47:37,909
so now you've got the copies,

930
00:47:36,243 --> 00:47:39,177
so I know that some of you, we

931
00:47:37,911 --> 00:47:40,512
didn't get a chance to go

932
00:47:39,179 --> 00:47:42,780
through question 6 and see how

933
00:47:40,514 --> 00:47:44,015
it's. Those of you who did read

934
00:47:42,782 --> 00:47:45,517
through this, do you see

935
00:47:44,017 --> 00:47:56,060
anything that, that makes this

936
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:58,263
clearer? Section 6, 69 we're

937
00:47:56,062 --> 00:47:59,798
talking about and that is the

938
00:47:58,265 --> 00:48:06,004
question was answered question

939
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:07,505
6. from the call-in center and

940
00:48:06,006 --> 00:48:10,275
just a point of information,

941
00:48:07,507 --> 00:48:11,810
when you're looking at the

942
00:48:10,277 --> 00:48:14,012
call-in centers Fall River

943
00:48:11,812 --> 00:48:16,682
Section 6-9. The mayor shall.

944
00:48:14,014 --> 00:48:18,951
they they, they don't have a

945
00:48:16,684 --> 00:48:20,018
castle and so the chief

946
00:48:18,953 --> 00:48:23,054
administrative officer took

947
00:48:20,020 --> 00:48:24,622
over as far as all. financial

948
00:48:23,056 --> 00:48:26,458
responsibilities, so that's the

949
00:48:24,624 --> 00:48:29,828
difference between the Fall

950
00:48:26,460 --> 00:48:32,097
River section in our section. I

951
00:48:29,830 --> 00:48:34,966
think the 69 here and our

952
00:48:32,099 --> 00:48:36,334
yellow highlighted area speaks

953
00:48:34,968 --> 00:48:38,036
very well, I think, right? And

954
00:48:36,336 --> 00:48:39,804
did you get your piece in? the

955
00:48:38,038 --> 00:48:41,506
one cause it the the last

956
00:48:39,806 --> 00:48:42,774
sentence, the assessment shall

957
00:48:41,508 --> 00:48:44,376
and analysis shall be provided

958
00:48:42,776 --> 00:48:45,844
by the Chief Administrative

959
00:48:44,378 --> 00:48:46,845
Financial Officer as a

960
00:48:45,846 --> 00:48:48,980
professional opinion. She gives

961
00:48:46,847 --> 00:48:51,449
those. She, every, if you go to

962
00:48:48,982 --> 00:48:53,384
every agenda, she has a. paper

963
00:48:51,451 --> 00:48:55,487
that looks just like this, and

964
00:48:53,386 --> 00:48:56,821
if there's any financial impact

965
00:48:55,489 --> 00:48:59,591
on anything, whether it's

966
00:48:56,823 --> 00:49:01,693
buying a truck, whether it's uh

967
00:48:59,593 --> 00:49:03,995
supporting a contract. a grant

968
00:49:01,695 --> 00:49:05,563
she gives. she gives a

969
00:49:03,997 --> 00:49:07,065
breakdown if, if it's something

970
00:49:05,565 --> 00:49:08,600
that has no financial effect,

971
00:49:07,067 --> 00:49:10,434
she just says no fin no

972
00:49:08,602 --> 00:49:12,403
financial effect on the city.

973
00:49:10,436 --> 00:49:27,952
So I think that's pretty good.

974
00:49:12,405 --> 00:49:30,388
language Yeah, you're muted Our

975
00:49:27,954 --> 00:49:35,026
language presently. requires

976
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:37,028
this of the kappa. but what the

977
00:49:35,028 --> 00:49:40,665
Collins Center is saying by

978
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:43,468
including. several uh other

979
00:49:40,667 --> 00:49:45,002
cities in the Commonwealth.

980
00:49:43,470 --> 00:49:47,672
that they're signing the

981
00:49:45,004 --> 00:49:49,207
responsibility to the mayor. No,

982
00:49:47,674 --> 00:49:50,842
I think we asked the Collins

983
00:49:49,209 --> 00:49:53,010
Center to tell us what other

984
00:49:50,844 --> 00:49:55,413
cities are doing, but because

985
00:49:53,012 --> 00:49:57,549
we have a careful, we're gonna

986
00:49:55,415 --> 00:49:59,283
get to section 74 at the next

987
00:49:57,551 --> 00:50:01,953
meeting, which defines the

988
00:49:59,285 --> 00:50:04,622
Cafo's job, so. we have to make

989
00:50:01,955 --> 00:50:06,557
sure that we're not taking away

990
00:50:04,624 --> 00:50:07,559
responsibilities of the calffo.

991
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,326
So let's, so maybe we should

992
00:50:07,561 --> 00:50:10,528
hold this until we review that.

993
00:50:09,328 --> 00:50:11,796
Well, we will. We can go back

994
00:50:10,530 --> 00:50:14,131
to it, but right now this, I

995
00:50:11,798 --> 00:50:15,866
think this is in line with the

996
00:50:14,133 --> 00:50:16,968
fact that we have a careful,

997
00:50:15,868 --> 00:50:20,705
you know what I'm saying? When

998
00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:23,074
you go to section 7, every city

999
00:50:20,707 --> 00:50:25,309
and town has a financial person.

1000
00:50:23,076 --> 00:50:28,813
Well, some have an accountant.

1001
00:50:25,311 --> 00:50:31,282
They don't have. There are some,

1002
00:50:28,815 --> 00:50:33,184
I mean, every city has a. So do

1003
00:50:31,284 --> 00:50:38,122
we want to just leave this as

1004
00:50:33,186 --> 00:50:39,657
it is until we review chapter.

1005
00:50:38,124 --> 00:50:41,125
74 back we don't, I

1006
00:50:39,659 --> 00:50:42,393
mean this one just talks about

1007
00:50:41,127 --> 00:50:44,662
the financial impacts of the

1008
00:50:42,395 --> 00:50:46,864
long term. In other words, it's

1009
00:50:44,664 --> 00:50:48,399
the financial impact statement

1010
00:50:46,866 --> 00:50:50,768
that's that really was an

1011
00:50:48,401 --> 00:50:52,669
ordinance, not even a

1012
00:50:50,770 --> 00:50:54,505
resolution about 15 years ago,

1013
00:50:52,671 --> 00:50:56,406
maybe more, and now that when

1014
00:50:54,507 --> 00:50:58,976
we, when we had that problem.

1015
00:50:56,408 --> 00:51:00,611
and we got a Cafo, it became a

1016
00:50:58,978 --> 00:51:01,912
little bit more that every city

1017
00:51:00,613 --> 00:51:05,249
council meeting she needs to

1018
00:51:01,914 --> 00:51:06,651
opine or he needs to opine on

1019
00:51:05,251 --> 00:51:07,885
anything that has a financial

1020
00:51:06,653 --> 00:51:09,587
impact, and that's basically

1021
00:51:07,887 --> 00:51:11,388
what this says. Yeah, so, yeah,

1022
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:14,358
and what, what I think Sharon

1023
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:20,465
was saying was, I, I mean, the, asserting or compiling,

1024
00:51:17,797 --> 00:51:21,866
putting forth a plan. uh

1025
00:51:20,467 --> 00:51:27,404
financial plan for the

1026
00:51:21,868 --> 00:51:29,206
following year. should be a

1027
00:51:27,406 --> 00:51:30,808
major and it should have major

1028
00:51:29,208 --> 00:51:32,609
involvement of the mayor does.

1029
00:51:30,810 --> 00:51:34,078
So I would, uh, here's just the

1030
00:51:32,611 --> 00:51:35,713
way I'm thinking that it should

1031
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,816
be the responsibility of the

1032
00:51:35,715 --> 00:51:40,818
mayor. and I'm thinking that a

1033
00:51:38,818 --> 00:51:42,553
mayor would be foolish not to

1034
00:51:40,820 --> 00:51:44,488
work in cooperation with their

1035
00:51:42,555 --> 00:51:45,956
chief financial officer. I mean,

1036
00:51:44,490 --> 00:51:48,759
no mayor would do that because

1037
00:51:45,958 --> 00:51:50,995
you would stand the chance of

1038
00:51:48,761 --> 00:51:52,897
maybe doing an incomplete or

1039
00:51:50,997 --> 00:51:54,065
whatever statement Well, it's

1040
00:51:52,899 --> 00:51:55,666
interesting because I think

1041
00:51:54,067 --> 00:51:59,870
that the capital improvement

1042
00:51:55,668 --> 00:52:01,806
plan does say. that it's in

1043
00:51:59,872 --> 00:52:04,675
consultation with the CAO but

1044
00:52:01,808 --> 00:52:06,477
then. so I think the Caro's

1045
00:52:04,677 --> 00:52:08,079
going to be involved in the

1046
00:52:06,479 --> 00:52:10,881
planning. The question to your

1047
00:52:08,081 --> 00:52:14,384
point, which is it says it

1048
00:52:10,883 --> 00:52:18,155
rests with the mayor to uh

1049
00:52:14,386 --> 00:52:20,858
provide this um fiscal impact

1050
00:52:18,157 --> 00:52:23,961
statement, if you will. um

1051
00:52:20,860 --> 00:52:25,395
which presumably would be

1052
00:52:23,963 --> 00:52:26,863
developed while they're doing

1053
00:52:25,397 --> 00:52:28,765
the capital improvement plan,

1054
00:52:26,865 --> 00:52:32,303
you would hope, right? What I

1055
00:52:28,767 --> 00:52:38,441
do find interesting is in the

1056
00:52:32,305 --> 00:52:41,511
Fall River piece. um is, uh,

1057
00:52:38,443 --> 00:52:42,446
how deeply specific it is. I'm

1058
00:52:41,513 --> 00:52:43,714
not saying we should, uh,

1059
00:52:42,448 --> 00:52:46,416
absolutely consider it, but you

1060
00:52:43,716 --> 00:52:47,784
know, it says, you know, trends

1061
00:52:46,418 --> 00:52:49,019
impact the condition long term

1062
00:52:47,786 --> 00:52:50,754
debt service that will be

1063
00:52:49,021 --> 00:52:51,955
incurred, debt management plan.

1064
00:52:50,756 --> 00:52:55,192
These are really important

1065
00:52:51,957 --> 00:52:58,462
things. as we all know, uh, as

1066
00:52:55,194 --> 00:52:59,863
we're. talking about capital

1067
00:52:58,464 --> 00:53:01,832
improvement, um, you know,

1068
00:52:59,865 --> 00:53:05,535
potential for new or expanded

1069
00:53:01,834 --> 00:53:08,038
revenues, um. so I think in the

1070
00:53:05,537 --> 00:53:09,039
CAFO Act there this language

1071
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,775
that you're talking about, the

1072
00:53:09,041 --> 00:53:14,945
more long-term, is there in the section, there is a

1073
00:53:13,579 --> 00:53:16,780
section that, and I'm assuming

1074
00:53:14,947 --> 00:53:18,548
you later on have added that

1075
00:53:16,782 --> 00:53:20,050
language because that's part of

1076
00:53:18,550 --> 00:53:21,718
this exercise to chapter

1077
00:53:20,052 --> 00:53:23,720
section 74. It's all in there

1078
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:25,055
there's, I may not mimic this

1079
00:53:23,722 --> 00:53:27,457
exactly, but there is a long

1080
00:53:25,057 --> 00:53:28,725
term, I think, 5 year plan

1081
00:53:27,459 --> 00:53:29,860
which you may wanna add

1082
00:53:28,727 --> 00:53:30,994
additions to like there are

1083
00:53:29,862 --> 00:53:33,330
some things that aren't in

1084
00:53:30,996 --> 00:53:35,899
there that are in here. So

1085
00:53:33,332 --> 00:53:38,335
point of information too, uh,

1086
00:53:35,901 --> 00:53:40,203
any bonding, any borrowing

1087
00:53:38,337 --> 00:53:42,439
requires that exact document as

1088
00:53:40,205 --> 00:53:47,444
part of the bond prospectus. So, it, it, it's available. and

1089
00:53:45,978 --> 00:53:48,912
reviewed, I'm sure when the

1090
00:53:47,446 --> 00:53:50,314
council was looking at a bond

1091
00:53:48,914 --> 00:53:53,717
perspectives, it's, it's, it's

1092
00:53:50,316 --> 00:53:54,884
part of it. Yeah. But I think

1093
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,787
the mayor, I think the Cao

1094
00:53:54,886 --> 00:53:59,155
needs to be. involved at all.

1095
00:53:57,789 --> 00:54:01,058
She's the chief financial

1096
00:53:59,157 --> 00:54:02,559
officer. So, I mean, it does

1097
00:54:01,060 --> 00:54:08,331
say the mayor working with the

1098
00:54:02,561 --> 00:54:11,668
Cafo, I would. no, uh, are you

1099
00:54:08,333 --> 00:54:13,470
on section 69 or? upon written

1100
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:14,671
request from the mayor or a

1101
00:54:13,472 --> 00:54:17,140
written request from the city

1102
00:54:14,673 --> 00:54:26,683
council chief administrative.

1103
00:54:17,142 --> 00:54:28,851
financial officer You're muted

1104
00:54:26,685 --> 00:54:30,821
To me that says if someone

1105
00:54:28,853 --> 00:54:34,657
requests it uh he or she, the

1106
00:54:30,823 --> 00:54:36,092
mayor. but I think it's

1107
00:54:34,659 --> 00:54:37,360
important that we state that

1108
00:54:36,094 --> 00:54:38,895
the mayor is ultimately

1109
00:54:37,362 --> 00:54:40,463
responsible for the, I mean,

1110
00:54:38,897 --> 00:54:42,365
the mayor's the chief executive

1111
00:54:40,465 --> 00:54:44,033
officer of the city, so they

1112
00:54:42,367 --> 00:54:46,703
are in fact responsible for the

1113
00:54:44,035 --> 00:54:49,639
finances, but if, if I were the

1114
00:54:46,705 --> 00:54:52,108
mayor, I would be working very

1115
00:54:49,641 --> 00:54:54,077
closely with the kappa and

1116
00:54:52,110 --> 00:54:55,211
assigning this to her or he

1117
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:56,713
saying, you know, take the

1118
00:54:55,213 --> 00:54:58,982
first cut at it and then we'll

1119
00:54:56,715 --> 00:55:00,850
chat about it. So I, I, I just

1120
00:54:58,984 --> 00:55:04,654
think that's the proper way it

1121
00:55:00,852 --> 00:55:06,856
should be. I think that the way

1122
00:55:04,656 --> 00:55:10,126
the Cafe's job was created. it

1123
00:55:06,858 --> 00:55:11,962
gives the Caho a lot of power.

1124
00:55:10,128 --> 00:55:13,396
She is ultimately responsible

1125
00:55:11,964 --> 00:55:14,864
financially. The mayor could

1126
00:55:13,398 --> 00:55:16,066
say to her, I want you to move

1127
00:55:14,866 --> 00:55:17,266
money from one department to

1128
00:55:16,068 --> 00:55:18,535
the other, and she can say to

1129
00:55:17,268 --> 00:55:20,403
the mayor, I'm not going to do

1130
00:55:18,537 --> 00:55:22,371
that. Now, now the mayor has

1131
00:55:20,405 --> 00:55:24,340
the ability to fire the calffo,

1132
00:55:22,373 --> 00:55:27,177
but she can then appeal to the

1133
00:55:24,342 --> 00:55:29,579
council, but hopefully, I mean.

1134
00:55:27,179 --> 00:55:31,581
if, if what, what mayor is

1135
00:55:29,581 --> 00:55:33,516
going to not take the advice

1136
00:55:31,583 --> 00:55:36,152
unless it's bad advice. Take

1137
00:55:33,518 --> 00:55:37,754
the advice of the chief

1138
00:55:36,154 --> 00:55:38,888
financial officer because might

1139
00:55:37,756 --> 00:55:40,990
be they could turn around and

1140
00:55:38,890 --> 00:55:43,860
come to the council, make a big

1141
00:55:40,992 --> 00:55:48,564
ruhaha over it so uh. I mean, I, think that's the mayor's job

1142
00:55:46,465 --> 00:55:51,334
to make sure that he or she

1143
00:55:48,566 --> 00:55:53,403
supervises the the chief

1144
00:55:51,336 --> 00:55:54,737
finances of the city and the

1145
00:55:53,405 --> 00:55:56,305
person who's responsible for

1146
00:55:54,739 --> 00:55:58,475
that. I mean, that's their job

1147
00:55:56,307 --> 00:56:00,576
just like they're responsible

1148
00:55:58,477 --> 00:56:02,378
for the Department of Community

1149
00:56:00,578 --> 00:56:03,946
Development and anything else.

1150
00:56:02,380 --> 00:56:05,615
Well, I don't think this makes

1151
00:56:03,948 --> 00:56:06,616
the mayor not responsible. I, I

1152
00:56:05,617 --> 00:56:08,017
mean, I understand what you're

1153
00:56:06,618 --> 00:56:09,852
saying. It's sort of saying.

1154
00:56:08,019 --> 00:56:12,088
the mayor has to ask the CAO

1155
00:56:09,854 --> 00:56:13,356
for a written opinion when

1156
00:56:12,090 --> 00:56:15,358
usually that would just happen

1157
00:56:13,358 --> 00:56:16,459
as a matter of course, like I

1158
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,495
think it's more important for

1159
00:56:16,461 --> 00:56:21,464
the council to be able to ask

1160
00:56:19,497 --> 00:56:23,632
for a written opinion on issues.

1161
00:56:21,466 --> 00:56:24,700
I think the mayor's the

1162
00:56:23,634 --> 00:56:25,835
director indirectly appointing

1163
00:56:24,702 --> 00:56:26,903
the CAO, so it's a little

1164
00:56:25,837 --> 00:56:29,205
different, but I think this is

1165
00:56:26,905 --> 00:56:32,742
more of an information section

1166
00:56:29,207 --> 00:56:35,144
than a duty section. Yeah I, I

1167
00:56:32,744 --> 00:56:37,146
think that prison 69, yes. Yeah.

1168
00:56:35,146 --> 00:56:38,647
I, I just think it pretty much

1169
00:56:37,148 --> 00:56:40,683
leaves the mayor out of it.

1170
00:56:38,649 --> 00:56:42,485
Well, I, I can give you another

1171
00:56:40,685 --> 00:56:44,153
insight of when it says

1172
00:56:42,487 --> 00:56:46,021
financial impacts of long-term

1173
00:56:44,155 --> 00:56:49,024
commitment, um. and as you said,

1174
00:56:46,023 --> 00:56:51,026
I think it's just in here, the

1175
00:56:49,026 --> 00:56:52,895
mayor has to have a written

1176
00:56:51,028 --> 00:56:55,197
request when we gave up the

1177
00:56:52,897 --> 00:56:57,633
auditor, the city council, they

1178
00:56:55,199 --> 00:56:59,301
were very concerned with, well,

1179
00:56:57,635 --> 00:57:01,103
we're just 9, you know,

1180
00:56:59,303 --> 00:57:02,772
individuals here from all

1181
00:57:01,105 --> 00:57:04,573
different backgrounds and what

1182
00:57:02,774 --> 00:57:06,342
if there was something that you

1183
00:57:04,575 --> 00:57:07,776
know, that they wanted to ask

1184
00:57:06,344 --> 00:57:08,577
the capital for, like, before

1185
00:57:07,778 --> 00:57:11,514
the meeting, you know, because

1186
00:57:08,579 --> 00:57:13,048
at the meeting, she's sitting

1187
00:57:11,516 --> 00:57:14,250
in that chair and the council

1188
00:57:13,050 --> 00:57:15,384
can ask Curb, and that's what

1189
00:57:14,252 --> 00:57:17,386
me and Eleni was saying when it

1190
00:57:15,386 --> 00:57:18,988
says oral. So say they say, hey,

1191
00:57:17,388 --> 00:57:20,389
um, you know, this truck that

1192
00:57:18,990 --> 00:57:21,690
we're buying, you know, in 5

1193
00:57:20,391 --> 00:57:22,725
years, oh, and she might say,

1194
00:57:21,692 --> 00:57:23,926
well, you know, we have all

1195
00:57:22,727 --> 00:57:25,694
these other trucks and they're

1196
00:57:23,928 --> 00:57:26,796
all coming off of the debt, so

1197
00:57:25,696 --> 00:57:28,264
it will be good even though

1198
00:57:26,798 --> 00:57:29,598
that may not have been a report,

1199
00:57:28,266 --> 00:57:32,735
it's oral and it's on the floor

1200
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:34,169
and it's in recorded, but if

1201
00:57:32,737 --> 00:57:36,171
because of her duties and we'll

1202
00:57:34,171 --> 00:57:37,306
probably see that in 7, it is a

1203
00:57:36,173 --> 00:57:39,008
must, and that's why like if

1204
00:57:37,308 --> 00:57:40,943
you look at the agenda, she

1205
00:57:39,010 --> 00:57:42,478
does have a report and it's

1206
00:57:40,945 --> 00:57:43,879
this, and not to say the

1207
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,481
mayor's not involved in it, he

1208
00:57:43,881 --> 00:57:47,883
is, he is involved, but it's

1209
00:57:45,483 --> 00:57:48,951
her job to make sure that the

1210
00:57:47,885 --> 00:57:50,085
financial long term no,

1211
00:57:48,953 --> 00:57:50,886
absolutely, I don't, I don't

1212
00:57:50,087 --> 00:57:52,688
disagree with that it's her job,

1213
00:57:50,888 --> 00:57:54,556
but, but I would say too that

1214
00:57:52,690 --> 00:57:56,492
the council should have the

1215
00:57:54,558 --> 00:57:58,360
right or the authority to

1216
00:57:56,494 --> 00:58:00,229
question any department that

1217
00:57:58,362 --> 00:58:01,297
about information that they do

1218
00:58:00,231 --> 00:58:04,433
well, but I mean it's the same

1219
00:58:01,299 --> 00:58:06,368
thing really. I mean. no, I

1220
00:58:04,435 --> 00:58:08,036
agree it is strangely worded

1221
00:58:06,370 --> 00:58:10,238
where it says upon written

1222
00:58:08,038 --> 00:58:11,340
request. from the mayor, right?

1223
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,374
Upon writing requests from the

1224
00:58:11,342 --> 00:58:13,909
city council makes sense, but

1225
00:58:12,376 --> 00:58:16,745
from the mayor, like, shouldn't

1226
00:58:13,911 --> 00:58:18,714
the mayor just be able, like,

1227
00:58:16,747 --> 00:58:30,326
yeah, like shouldn't that

1228
00:58:18,716 --> 00:58:32,261
already be something Yeah. Yeah,

1229
00:58:30,328 --> 00:58:40,435
you could, you could just say

1230
00:58:32,263 --> 00:58:41,570
as requested by the mayor. I

1231
00:58:40,437 --> 00:58:43,071
You're muted again. It

1232
00:58:41,572 --> 00:58:45,340
shouldn't just be as requested

1233
00:58:43,073 --> 00:58:46,475
by the mayor. I think it the

1234
00:58:45,342 --> 00:58:49,544
mayor is ultimately responsible

1235
00:58:46,477 --> 00:58:50,946
for this. Am I correct? It's

1236
00:58:49,546 --> 00:58:53,215
the mayor who's responsible for

1237
00:58:50,948 --> 00:58:54,750
the finances of the city. She

1238
00:58:53,217 --> 00:58:58,621
has a great or he has great

1239
00:58:54,752 --> 00:59:00,088
authority. in regards to that

1240
00:58:58,623 --> 00:59:03,158
but this just basically says

1241
00:59:00,090 --> 00:59:04,993
the mayor it's time to put

1242
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,694
together the fiscal outlook for

1243
00:59:04,995 --> 00:59:07,562
the city and I'm, I guess I'm

1244
00:59:06,696 --> 00:59:10,064
gonna stroll down the hall and

1245
00:59:07,564 --> 00:59:11,700
ask theafo to begin. when, when

1246
00:59:10,066 --> 00:59:14,169
it, I think it should be worded

1247
00:59:11,702 --> 00:59:15,771
differently, so the, the

1248
00:59:14,171 --> 00:59:18,006
responsibility rests where it

1249
00:59:15,773 --> 00:59:19,574
is, where it should be, with

1250
00:59:18,008 --> 00:59:21,510
the chief executive officer of

1251
00:59:19,576 --> 00:59:23,378
the city. and and he or she is

1252
00:59:21,512 --> 00:59:24,479
going to rise or fall over

1253
00:59:23,380 --> 00:59:27,348
their working relationship with

1254
00:59:24,481 --> 00:59:29,384
the cap. This may be from 278,

1255
00:59:27,350 --> 00:59:30,886
Paul. I'm not sure if they took

1256
00:59:29,386 --> 00:59:33,855
this from 278, which was the

1257
00:59:30,888 --> 00:59:35,457
law. And when, when, when, when

1258
00:59:33,857 --> 00:59:38,660
the capital was hired, believe

1259
00:59:35,459 --> 00:59:42,664
it or not, at the time the

1260
00:59:38,662 --> 00:59:44,466
mere's salary was $80,000 when

1261
00:59:42,666 --> 00:59:47,369
they hired the Cao. It was at a

1262
00:59:44,468 --> 00:59:48,603
175,000. It was the most

1263
00:59:47,371 --> 00:59:49,938
expensive employee, even more

1264
00:59:48,605 --> 00:59:51,740
than the superintendent because

1265
00:59:49,940 --> 00:59:53,275
at that point, they were the

1266
00:59:51,742 --> 00:59:54,943
administrative and financial

1267
00:59:53,277 --> 00:59:56,411
officer of the entire city,

1268
00:59:54,945 --> 00:59:58,013
including the schools. It

1269
00:59:56,413 --> 00:59:59,948
believe me, we, we weeks has

1270
00:59:58,015 --> 01:00:02,317
Steve, we had to and we wanted

1271
00:59:59,950 --> 01:00:03,652
to make sure this was language

1272
01:00:02,319 --> 01:00:05,153
some of them were counseling

1273
01:00:03,654 --> 01:00:06,755
which was put in to say, well,

1274
01:00:05,155 --> 01:00:08,156
what if we're shut out? What if

1275
01:00:06,757 --> 01:00:09,324
we, because we had a lot of it

1276
01:00:08,158 --> 01:00:10,725
in the state was very involved

1277
01:00:09,326 --> 01:00:11,927
in that. They were very, I

1278
01:00:10,727 --> 01:00:13,662
think the auditor made more

1279
01:00:11,929 --> 01:00:15,397
than $80,000. I'm sorry, say

1280
01:00:13,664 --> 01:00:18,366
that. I think the auditor made

1281
01:00:15,399 --> 01:00:23,138
more than $80,000. Well, well, could be the mayor, the

1282
01:00:19,737 --> 01:00:24,606
mayor, she said. I think he, no,

1283
01:00:23,140 --> 01:00:26,207
so that just showed the

1284
01:00:24,608 --> 01:00:27,609
authority that the state wanted

1285
01:00:26,209 --> 01:00:29,143
this because again, some mayors

1286
01:00:27,611 --> 01:00:30,879
have different backgrounds, but

1287
01:00:29,145 --> 01:00:32,481
this particular person came

1288
01:00:30,881 --> 01:00:34,348
with a strong financial

1289
01:00:32,483 --> 01:00:35,350
background and that's why, yes,

1290
01:00:34,350 --> 01:00:37,285
the mayor and them should

1291
01:00:35,352 --> 01:00:38,887
absolutely work together, but

1292
01:00:37,287 --> 01:00:40,755
the financial specialty should

1293
01:00:38,889 --> 01:00:42,223
be from the person that they

1294
01:00:40,757 --> 01:00:45,059
hired at that that is, as you

1295
01:00:42,225 --> 01:00:47,896
said, that was the state.

1296
01:00:45,061 --> 01:00:50,031
involvement in this in demand

1297
01:00:47,898 --> 01:00:52,367
basically and we created, uh,

1298
01:00:50,033 --> 01:00:54,335
you, you can say that, um, the

1299
01:00:52,369 --> 01:00:57,271
mayor should make the decisions,

1300
01:00:54,337 --> 01:01:00,942
but this all came about uh from

1301
01:00:57,273 --> 01:01:02,977
a mayor that ignored the advice

1302
01:01:00,944 --> 01:01:05,880
of the accountant at the time.

1303
01:01:02,979 --> 01:01:07,315
He was to that. Well, what

1304
01:01:05,882 --> 01:01:08,850
happened to the city, so you

1305
01:01:07,317 --> 01:01:10,218
could say the mayor, he

1306
01:01:08,852 --> 01:01:12,253
finished his 6th term, his 3rd

1307
01:01:10,220 --> 01:01:13,255
term, the mayor finished. So

1308
01:01:12,255 --> 01:01:18,793
nothing happened, but my point

1309
01:01:13,257 --> 01:01:20,828
is that look, whoever being

1310
01:01:18,795 --> 01:01:22,397
mayor is an election and

1311
01:01:20,830 --> 01:01:24,465
unfortunately there are no

1312
01:01:22,399 --> 01:01:28,469
requirements and a city the

1313
01:01:24,467 --> 01:01:30,071
size of Methuen with a $220

1314
01:01:28,471 --> 01:01:31,472
million budget needs someone

1315
01:01:30,073 --> 01:01:34,342
with financial backing. Now, if

1316
01:01:31,474 --> 01:01:36,244
we had a city manager who had a

1317
01:01:34,344 --> 01:01:37,178
show there, their financial

1318
01:01:36,246 --> 01:01:38,513
background to be able to run

1319
01:01:37,180 --> 01:01:40,281
the city, then maybe that would

1320
01:01:38,515 --> 01:01:41,616
be different. But to elect a

1321
01:01:40,283 --> 01:01:43,217
mayor, we've seen some

1322
01:01:41,618 --> 01:01:45,486
candidates run and to elect a

1323
01:01:43,219 --> 01:01:47,689
mayor. who may have no

1324
01:01:45,488 --> 01:01:50,492
financial background. We need

1325
01:01:47,691 --> 01:01:52,460
the the chief financial officer.

1326
01:01:50,494 --> 01:01:54,162
to be able to, that's her

1327
01:01:52,462 --> 01:01:55,596
specialty or his specialty. Run

1328
01:01:54,164 --> 01:01:58,166
the financial needs of the city,

1329
01:01:55,598 --> 01:02:00,234
but that's democracy. The

1330
01:01:58,168 --> 01:02:02,103
people of the city are electing.

1331
01:02:00,236 --> 01:02:04,639
the head of their government

1332
01:02:02,105 --> 01:02:06,274
and the head of their

1333
01:02:04,641 --> 01:02:07,575
government is responsible for

1334
01:02:06,276 --> 01:02:09,277
making sure it works and works

1335
01:02:07,577 --> 01:02:11,779
properly and if they don't

1336
01:02:09,279 --> 01:02:14,782
failed and if they don't there, are sanctions to that,

1337
01:02:13,082 --> 01:02:16,184
but you can't take away all of

1338
01:02:14,784 --> 01:02:17,785
the authority of your chief

1339
01:02:16,186 --> 01:02:19,420
executive officer. because then

1340
01:02:17,787 --> 01:02:21,589
you end up with somebody who's

1341
01:02:19,422 --> 01:02:23,557
like a rubber stamping, uh, or

1342
01:02:21,591 --> 01:02:26,928
signing diplomas. A question,

1343
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:30,731
are you saying that, uh, with

1344
01:02:26,930 --> 01:02:33,300
even in uh the written request

1345
01:02:30,733 --> 01:02:35,703
notwithstanding the CaO should

1346
01:02:33,302 --> 01:02:37,671
be doing this and providing it

1347
01:02:35,705 --> 01:02:39,374
to the mayor and the council,

1348
01:02:37,673 --> 01:02:41,175
so for example, uh, in this

1349
01:02:39,376 --> 01:02:44,311
scenario you just said, uh,

1350
01:02:41,177 --> 01:02:45,913
where the, uh, cafe or someone

1351
01:02:44,313 --> 01:02:47,247
said, this is the financial

1352
01:02:45,915 --> 01:02:49,049
impact and the mayor says, well,

1353
01:02:47,249 --> 01:02:54,889
we're do it anyway, right?

1354
01:02:49,051 --> 01:02:57,391
Um uh, the like, uh, the

1355
01:02:54,891 --> 01:03:01,162
Cafo should be required to

1356
01:02:57,393 --> 01:03:02,596
provide that information. to

1357
01:03:01,164 --> 01:03:03,731
others regardless, right?

1358
01:03:02,598 --> 01:03:05,599
Because then you're getting

1359
01:03:03,733 --> 01:03:07,034
into the situation. I'm like,

1360
01:03:05,601 --> 01:03:10,705
Well, if I don't ask for it, I

1361
01:03:07,036 --> 01:03:11,472
don't have to tell you,, right,

1362
01:03:10,707 --> 01:03:12,873
yeah, but I mean, here's the

1363
01:03:11,474 --> 01:03:14,742
thing, if I don't ask you, you

1364
01:03:12,875 --> 01:03:17,678
don't, I don't have to tell you.

1365
01:03:14,744 --> 01:03:20,614
So none of us, all the new city councilors, if I

1366
01:03:18,981 --> 01:03:23,050
didn't know to ask what the

1367
01:03:20,616 --> 01:03:26,153
financial impact is. I'm just

1368
01:03:23,052 --> 01:03:28,355
saying then we then nobody gets

1369
01:03:26,155 --> 01:03:29,891
it. And that's a bad thing. So

1370
01:03:28,357 --> 01:03:30,924
that so I don't think that

1371
01:03:29,893 --> 01:03:33,127
language, this language does

1372
01:03:30,926 --> 01:03:35,296
that either. We're assuming

1373
01:03:33,129 --> 01:03:36,964
that the CAO is going to do

1374
01:03:35,298 --> 01:03:39,834
everything correctly properly,

1375
01:03:36,966 --> 01:03:41,402
and render the best. outcome

1376
01:03:39,836 --> 01:03:43,871
but that may not always be the

1377
01:03:41,404 --> 01:03:44,938
case. I just like we elected

1378
01:03:43,873 --> 01:03:47,174
somebody who wasn't maybe

1379
01:03:44,940 --> 01:03:49,176
paying attention to the fiscal

1380
01:03:47,176 --> 01:03:53,113
realities of the day. You could have a calf phone.

1381
01:03:50,779 --> 01:03:54,782
That was not that confident

1382
01:03:53,115 --> 01:03:56,116
thecalho could be terminated at

1383
01:03:54,784 --> 01:03:57,585
any point if they're not doing

1384
01:03:56,118 --> 01:03:59,119
their job. So you're, no, the

1385
01:03:57,587 --> 01:04:01,855
mayor cannot. The mayor would

1386
01:03:59,121 --> 01:04:03,924
have to be voted out, but it

1387
01:04:01,857 --> 01:04:06,326
doesn't, when you, when you

1388
01:04:03,926 --> 01:04:07,761
have a Caho that's not.

1389
01:04:06,328 --> 01:04:09,263
correctly providing a financial

1390
01:04:07,763 --> 01:04:11,131
oversight of the city, and we

1391
01:04:09,265 --> 01:04:12,666
are in the first term of the

1392
01:04:11,133 --> 01:04:13,901
mayor, the mayor can turn

1393
01:04:12,668 --> 01:04:15,536
around and say, you're not

1394
01:04:13,903 --> 01:04:17,204
doing your job. I'm terminating

1395
01:04:15,538 --> 01:04:19,006
you. All right, now, I think

1396
01:04:17,206 --> 01:04:20,440
that's important. I think

1397
01:04:19,008 --> 01:04:22,343
that's why this was written and

1398
01:04:20,442 --> 01:04:24,311
that's why the state made it

1399
01:04:22,345 --> 01:04:25,813
clear that the capital has a

1400
01:04:24,313 --> 01:04:27,281
financial oversight of the city.

1401
01:04:25,815 --> 01:04:28,715
So the mayor can say to the

1402
01:04:27,283 --> 01:04:29,817
capital, now, in reality, the

1403
01:04:28,717 --> 01:04:30,717
Capitol sits down with the

1404
01:04:29,819 --> 01:04:32,086
mayor. Here's what it is. The

1405
01:04:30,719 --> 01:04:34,187
mayor says, well, I really

1406
01:04:32,088 --> 01:04:35,455
wanna do this, but it's on the

1407
01:04:34,189 --> 01:04:37,958
Cafo's point to have to approve

1408
01:04:35,457 --> 01:04:39,326
it or do it. And if the CAO is

1409
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,661
wrong, then if the capital's

1410
01:04:39,328 --> 01:04:42,296
wrong, then the capital should

1411
01:04:40,663 --> 01:04:43,597
be terminated. I mean, so

1412
01:04:42,298 --> 01:04:47,568
you've put the city through all

1413
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:49,202
of that turmoil. when we could

1414
01:04:47,570 --> 01:04:51,204
craft language that basically

1415
01:04:49,204 --> 01:04:52,506
forces them. to work together

1416
01:04:51,206 --> 01:04:54,174
to develop. It's already in

1417
01:04:52,508 --> 01:04:55,776
there I think. They do work

1418
01:04:54,176 --> 01:04:58,879
together because of that they

1419
01:04:55,778 --> 01:05:00,480
work very closely. Yeah, that's

1420
01:04:58,881 --> 01:05:03,917
all, but we get it, but I think

1421
01:05:00,482 --> 01:05:07,054
that there's a, there's a, a, a

1422
01:05:03,919 --> 01:05:08,588
potential to think about making

1423
01:05:07,056 --> 01:05:09,890
sure that these financial

1424
01:05:08,590 --> 01:05:12,626
impact statements are actually

1425
01:05:09,892 --> 01:05:14,094
done right there's been done by

1426
01:05:12,628 --> 01:05:16,964
ordinances of the city council.

1427
01:05:14,096 --> 01:05:21,368
It's not in, but we have, we

1428
01:05:16,966 --> 01:05:23,470
have the capital has to um.

1429
01:05:21,370 --> 01:05:24,971
within um within and I it's

1430
01:05:23,472 --> 01:05:26,240
broken down to so many hours

1431
01:05:24,973 --> 01:05:28,208
after the agenda, but before

1432
01:05:26,242 --> 01:05:30,744
the meeting, provide a

1433
01:05:28,210 --> 01:05:33,613
financial impact statement. It

1434
01:05:30,746 --> 01:05:37,050
may not have, but that's up to

1435
01:05:33,615 --> 01:05:41,821
the copies to say if you I, I, mean, if, if you go on to the

1436
01:05:38,988 --> 01:05:43,990
city website, which I like to

1437
01:05:41,823 --> 01:05:45,525
muted, and you can go on to the

1438
01:05:43,992 --> 01:05:49,996
city website in, as you know,

1439
01:05:45,527 --> 01:05:51,998
click, click. like uh uh a um

1440
01:05:49,998 --> 01:05:53,367
resolution number or the CAFO

1441
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,068
report, which I, I do like to

1442
01:05:53,369 --> 01:05:56,736
cause. I really never got to

1443
01:05:55,070 --> 01:05:59,372
serve with the cafo, you know,

1444
01:05:56,738 --> 01:06:00,874
cause she came in in 2020 and

1445
01:05:59,374 --> 01:06:02,942
oh wait a minute, check in 2019

1446
01:06:00,876 --> 01:06:05,879
towards the very, very end

1447
01:06:02,944 --> 01:06:09,182
maybe. So at the end of the day,

1448
01:06:05,881 --> 01:06:10,417
I think that the the if I'm not

1449
01:06:09,184 --> 01:06:12,085
mistaken, it was like 5 o'clock

1450
01:06:10,419 --> 01:06:13,420
in the afternoon on Monday, and

1451
01:06:12,087 --> 01:06:15,255
in those councils again are put

1452
01:06:13,422 --> 01:06:16,756
into a tough spot that they

1453
01:06:15,257 --> 01:06:17,957
have to now, what if they want

1454
01:06:16,758 --> 01:06:19,459
to call her on something and

1455
01:06:17,959 --> 01:06:21,661
say, well, you know, is this OK?

1456
01:06:19,461 --> 01:06:22,662
That was the planned lateness

1457
01:06:21,663 --> 01:06:23,730
just so that, that was a

1458
01:06:22,664 --> 01:06:26,166
planned late ness just so you

1459
01:06:23,732 --> 01:06:27,967
know she was on vaca she, she

1460
01:06:26,168 --> 01:06:29,302
was on vacation so she had

1461
01:06:27,969 --> 01:06:32,005
notified the council that it

1462
01:06:29,304 --> 01:06:36,943
was coming, but are you saying

1463
01:06:32,007 --> 01:06:38,111
then that that any long term,

1464
01:06:36,945 --> 01:06:41,347
uh, Eddie contract, whatever

1465
01:06:38,113 --> 01:06:44,684
that has, uh, financial impact,

1466
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:46,619
the CAFOs required to provide a

1467
01:06:44,686 --> 01:06:48,488
preemptive statement that

1468
01:06:46,621 --> 01:06:51,791
provided for every contract, and that goes to all

1469
01:06:50,191 --> 01:06:53,126
the city council in advance.

1470
01:06:51,793 --> 01:06:54,827
Now I don't watch the meetings

1471
01:06:53,128 --> 01:06:56,363
lately, but I will tell you as

1472
01:06:54,829 --> 01:06:57,497
a city councilor, if we had an

1473
01:06:56,365 --> 01:06:59,733
important contract in front of

1474
01:06:57,499 --> 01:07:01,200
us, and we didn't have the

1475
01:06:59,735 --> 01:07:02,068
financial impact we tabled it.

1476
01:07:01,202 --> 01:07:03,769
Sorry, we don't have the

1477
01:07:02,070 --> 01:07:06,839
information. Sorry, Mayor, you

1478
01:07:03,771 --> 01:07:08,675
get out your Cafo. but that's

1479
01:07:06,841 --> 01:07:09,976
not Sharon's the mayor would

1480
01:07:08,677 --> 01:07:11,077
get after the Cat. So on one

1481
01:07:09,978 --> 01:07:12,678
level you don't want the mayor

1482
01:07:11,079 --> 01:07:14,047
to be in charge of that, but

1483
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,281
then you just said you would

1484
01:07:14,049 --> 01:07:16,549
say to the mayor who had

1485
01:07:15,283 --> 01:07:17,717
nothing to do with what the

1486
01:07:16,551 --> 01:07:19,219
person reported or didn't

1487
01:07:17,719 --> 01:07:20,553
report to you. Well, you know,

1488
01:07:19,221 --> 01:07:22,422
Mayor, you get after the mayor,

1489
01:07:20,555 --> 01:07:23,923
but, but plenty of information,

1490
01:07:22,424 --> 01:07:26,292
the CAA reports to the mayor.

1491
01:07:23,925 --> 01:07:28,327
That's right. She works for him.

1492
01:07:26,294 --> 01:07:29,095
OK, so yes, so if he doesn't,

1493
01:07:28,329 --> 01:07:31,798
she doesn't do it, a piece of

1494
01:07:29,097 --> 01:07:34,267
paper. Can I make a

1495
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,568
recommendation? It wassume that

1496
01:07:34,269 --> 01:07:38,037
information is always going to

1497
01:07:35,570 --> 01:07:39,505
be imparted. Now she's a lovely

1498
01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:42,709
person. She works hard, she

1499
01:07:39,507 --> 01:07:43,509
does her job. but I watched the

1500
01:07:42,711 --> 01:07:45,244
council meeting because it had

1501
01:07:43,511 --> 01:07:48,714
a, uh, something I was

1502
01:07:45,246 --> 01:07:49,882
interested in. and she gave the

1503
01:07:48,716 --> 01:07:51,117
counsel asked a question. She

1504
01:07:49,884 --> 01:07:53,252
gave out information to the

1505
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:57,056
council. The mayor had no idea.

1506
01:07:53,254 --> 01:08:00,526
and it was an important issue

1507
01:07:57,058 --> 01:08:04,664
And so I'm, so I'm just saying

1508
01:08:00,528 --> 01:08:06,065
you somehow they each have

1509
01:08:04,666 --> 01:08:07,900
responsibilities, legal

1510
01:08:06,067 --> 01:08:10,069
responsibilities, and somehow I

1511
01:08:07,902 --> 01:08:11,170
think the charter. should

1512
01:08:10,071 --> 01:08:12,939
compromise with those

1513
01:08:11,172 --> 01:08:14,140
responsibilities are and make

1514
01:08:12,941 --> 01:08:15,908
sure that they are in fact

1515
01:08:14,142 --> 01:08:18,611
working together. excuse me,

1516
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:20,279
for the betterment of the city.

1517
01:08:18,613 --> 01:08:21,280
But, but if we give this, I'm

1518
01:08:20,281 --> 01:08:23,949
not gonna I'm, this will be the

1519
01:08:21,282 --> 01:08:25,885
end of it. I mean if they give

1520
01:08:23,951 --> 01:08:27,353
disincentive for that in the

1521
01:08:25,887 --> 01:08:29,422
charter and that becomes a

1522
01:08:27,355 --> 01:08:30,957
really difficult issue. So if

1523
01:08:29,424 --> 01:08:32,090
you have a situation with the

1524
01:08:30,959 --> 01:08:33,993
police chief and there's a

1525
01:08:32,092 --> 01:08:35,228
crisis in the city and the

1526
01:08:33,995 --> 01:08:37,229
chief is telling the mayor,

1527
01:08:35,230 --> 01:08:39,632
this is what we have to do. If

1528
01:08:37,231 --> 01:08:40,767
the mayor was going to try to

1529
01:08:39,634 --> 01:08:42,568
overrule the chief without

1530
01:08:40,769 --> 01:08:44,470
having any knowledge of what's

1531
01:08:42,570 --> 01:08:46,439
going on or if we had a

1532
01:08:44,472 --> 01:08:48,874
situation with the DPW with the

1533
01:08:46,441 --> 01:08:50,443
engineer of the city and the

1534
01:08:48,876 --> 01:08:51,511
mayor tries to overrule, then

1535
01:08:50,445 --> 01:08:53,212
there's a problem of American

1536
01:08:51,513 --> 01:08:54,413
can fire them but they can

1537
01:08:53,214 --> 01:08:55,681
appeal. I'm sorry, that's the

1538
01:08:54,415 --> 01:08:57,216
mayor's job. That's true. But

1539
01:08:55,683 --> 01:08:58,518
when you're talking about the

1540
01:08:57,218 --> 01:09:00,086
financial condition of the city.

1541
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:02,087
Yeah, that's the mayor. There

1542
01:09:00,088 --> 01:09:05,691
was a when my recommendation is

1543
01:09:02,089 --> 01:09:08,493
we next meeting when we review

1544
01:09:05,693 --> 01:09:10,029
chapter 740 chapter 74. It's

1545
01:09:08,495 --> 01:09:12,865
not on the agenda. But if we

1546
01:09:10,031 --> 01:09:13,900
review chapter 74. and review

1547
01:09:12,867 --> 01:09:15,601
the, the definition and

1548
01:09:13,902 --> 01:09:17,370
responsibilities of the CAFO. I

1549
01:09:15,603 --> 01:09:18,503
think it'll make more sense. I

1550
01:09:17,372 --> 01:09:19,471
know what it says. We've read

1551
01:09:18,505 --> 01:09:20,839
it and then we'll go back to

1552
01:09:19,473 --> 01:09:22,007
this if you want. Yeah, let's

1553
01:09:20,841 --> 01:09:23,376
go back to it because

1554
01:09:22,009 --> 01:09:24,777
unfortunately it's not on the

1555
01:09:23,378 --> 01:09:26,511
agenda otherwise I'd say let's

1556
01:09:24,779 --> 01:09:27,646
jump to it. That's all it's an

1557
01:09:26,513 --> 01:09:43,396
important distinction that we

1558
01:09:27,648 --> 01:09:48,667
need to talk about. Exactly,

1559
01:09:43,398 --> 01:09:55,441
yeah So we ' ll so we'll look

1560
01:09:48,669 --> 01:09:57,743
at 6 9 again as we go through

1561
01:09:55,443 --> 01:09:59,211
chapter 7, yeah, but when we go

1562
01:09:57,745 --> 01:10:00,246
through chapter 7, OK. All

1563
01:09:59,213 --> 01:10:02,981
right, uh, is that fair? I'm

1564
01:10:00,248 --> 01:10:05,284
not trying to, OK, all right,

1565
01:10:02,983 --> 01:10:15,361
um, the last item here, section.

1566
01:10:05,286 --> 01:10:19,098
610 Any changes there No Can I, ask you a question

1567
01:10:17,198 --> 01:10:22,968
because I wasn't at all the

1568
01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:25,704
meetings. Why did you want to

1569
01:10:22,970 --> 01:10:26,872
eliminate section 56. Why, why

1570
01:10:25,706 --> 01:10:29,375
did you want to eliminate the

1571
01:10:26,874 --> 01:10:31,176
one in between 56, about the

1572
01:10:29,377 --> 01:10:32,911
treasurer receiving 5 quotes

1573
01:10:31,178 --> 01:10:33,945
for investment or borrowing.

1574
01:10:32,913 --> 01:10:35,814
Are you going back? We're going

1575
01:10:33,947 --> 01:10:38,183
back to chapter 50 did you move

1576
01:10:35,816 --> 01:10:39,585
it somewhere else? It's right

1577
01:10:38,185 --> 01:10:41,419
in between the one we were

1578
01:10:39,587 --> 01:10:43,922
talking about. 5 became 6,

1579
01:10:41,421 --> 01:10:48,327
right? Chapter 5 became chapter

1580
01:10:43,924 --> 01:10:49,928
6. No, this is just section 66

1581
01:10:48,329 --> 01:10:51,129
Chief Administrative Officer I

1582
01:10:49,930 --> 01:10:52,430
think we moved it. Oh, you

1583
01:10:51,131 --> 01:10:54,966
moved it. Oh, OK, all right,

1584
01:10:52,432 --> 01:10:56,134
but. let's confirm. Jen will

1585
01:10:54,968 --> 01:10:58,103
remember she's got that memory.

1586
01:10:56,136 --> 01:11:01,206
I only, I only point that out

1587
01:10:58,105 --> 01:11:10,415
because that issue does come up

1588
01:11:01,208 --> 01:11:12,284
just so you know. Yeah there

1589
01:11:10,417 --> 01:11:13,752
are some independent statutory

1590
01:11:12,286 --> 01:11:16,422
authorities that the treasurer

1591
01:11:13,754 --> 01:11:18,156
has on their own. which overlay

1592
01:11:16,424 --> 01:11:20,292
with the caffo has as well

1593
01:11:18,158 --> 01:11:22,294
because of state law, so

1594
01:11:20,294 --> 01:11:30,168
getting quotes for interest

1595
01:11:22,296 --> 01:11:32,103
rates Maybe we didn't lose it I

1596
01:11:30,170 --> 01:11:33,104
thought we struck it because we

1597
01:11:32,105 --> 01:11:40,112
moved it, why would we have

1598
01:11:33,106 --> 01:11:41,346
removed it? I mean, it does

1599
01:11:40,114 --> 01:11:43,916
seem oddly specific in the

1600
01:11:41,348 --> 01:11:46,919
charter, but I thought we'd

1601
01:11:43,918 --> 01:11:49,054
start getting moved it, but. we

1602
01:11:46,921 --> 01:11:51,590
might have found it redundant

1603
01:11:49,056 --> 01:11:54,025
to the Capos section. I don't, remember why we we can

1604
01:11:52,559 --> 01:11:55,827
look. I'll just look. I'll look

1605
01:11:54,027 --> 01:11:57,329
at the Cafo sections that

1606
01:11:55,829 --> 01:12:00,131
you're adding in just to see if

1607
01:11:57,331 --> 01:12:02,634
it it may be covered already. I

1608
01:12:00,133 --> 01:12:04,069
just want to make sure because

1609
01:12:02,636 --> 01:12:06,137
like I said that there there's

1610
01:12:04,071 --> 01:12:09,207
a lot of state statutes that

1611
01:12:06,139 --> 01:12:11,176
speak to. um authority of the

1612
01:12:09,209 --> 01:12:12,410
treasurers and authority to do

1613
01:12:11,178 --> 01:12:13,611
certain things and I sort of

1614
01:12:12,412 --> 01:12:15,213
make sure that's adequately

1615
01:12:13,613 --> 01:12:16,681
folded into the CAFO's

1616
01:12:15,215 --> 01:12:18,917
authority so that there isn't

1617
01:12:16,683 --> 01:12:20,752
some split of authority as to

1618
01:12:18,919 --> 01:12:23,354
that issue because it has come

1619
01:12:20,754 --> 01:12:24,823
up in the past, so, so I guess

1620
01:12:23,356 --> 01:12:27,092
what you're saying what I heard

1621
01:12:24,825 --> 01:12:28,493
you that this needs to be

1622
01:12:27,094 --> 01:12:30,962
somewhere in the charter, OK,

1623
01:12:28,495 --> 01:12:32,364
we'll figure out, OK. I mean

1624
01:12:30,964 --> 01:12:34,566
it's really just an information

1625
01:12:32,366 --> 01:12:36,467
sack. These are sort of

1626
01:12:34,568 --> 01:12:37,635
information sections like. it's

1627
01:12:36,469 --> 01:12:39,037
not saying that they can or

1628
01:12:37,637 --> 01:12:40,672
cannot do it. It's saying they

1629
01:12:39,039 --> 01:12:42,774
need to disclose to the council,

1630
01:12:40,674 --> 01:12:44,576
hey, this is where I'm going

1631
01:12:42,776 --> 01:12:46,711
with our money, but here's the

1632
01:12:44,578 --> 01:12:51,516
five quotes I got so you can

1633
01:12:46,713 --> 01:12:53,551
see this is the best one. So.

1634
01:12:51,518 --> 01:12:57,789
more transparency than anything.

1635
01:12:53,553 --> 01:12:59,390
in my opinion OK. So, at, at

1636
01:12:57,791 --> 01:13:02,893
that we're done with today's

1637
01:12:59,392 --> 01:13:05,096
agenda, um. so obviously we're

1638
01:13:02,895 --> 01:13:06,131
not going to be able to meet

1639
01:13:05,098 --> 01:13:08,132
our goal, which was to have

1640
01:13:06,133 --> 01:13:10,134
this done by the beginning of

1641
01:13:08,134 --> 01:13:11,336
September, but, um, we've got

1642
01:13:10,136 --> 01:13:12,536
to kind of decide our next

1643
01:13:11,338 --> 01:13:13,605
meeting, and I know we get

1644
01:13:12,538 --> 01:13:18,076
vacations, whatever, it's been

1645
01:13:13,607 --> 01:13:20,612
tough. So do we want to look at

1646
01:13:18,078 --> 01:13:22,213
meeting potentially. on

1647
01:13:20,614 --> 01:13:26,517
September 4th, which is after

1648
01:13:22,215 --> 01:13:29,019
Labor Day. and we can reviews

1649
01:13:26,519 --> 01:13:33,357
I'll put chapter 7. Article 7.

1650
01:13:29,021 --> 01:13:39,797
Let me see. 8 and 9. Yeah, 7

1651
01:13:33,359 --> 01:13:44,168
through 9. Double check when I

1652
01:13:39,799 --> 01:13:46,771
get back before. OK, so what

1653
01:13:44,170 --> 01:13:51,042
I'd like to do is, um, if you

1654
01:13:46,773 --> 01:13:52,076
just let me know. and review 6.

1655
01:13:51,044 --> 01:13:53,577
Well, we could always go back.

1656
01:13:52,078 --> 01:13:55,246
We've been doing that. Well, we

1657
01:13:53,579 --> 01:13:56,847
have. Is that all right, Paul?

1658
01:13:55,248 --> 01:14:01,018
That we can go back? OK, yes,

1659
01:13:56,849 --> 01:14:02,920
you can do that. So, um

1660
01:14:01,020 --> 01:14:04,722
everyone look all right for you

1661
01:14:02,922 --> 01:14:05,623
know, the, the, the Thursday

1662
01:14:04,724 --> 01:14:07,925
after Labor Day. Is that all

1663
01:14:05,625 --> 01:14:12,329
right before? 4 Thursday the

1664
01:14:07,927 --> 01:14:14,798
4th. Yeah. Tuesday. All right,

1665
01:14:12,331 --> 01:14:16,567
we'll, we'll tentatively, um,

1666
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:19,437
yeah, please just let me know

1667
01:14:16,569 --> 01:14:21,405
September 4th. and then I'll

1668
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:23,841
get together on the next agenda.

1669
01:14:21,407 --> 01:14:26,477
Great. So it is, uh, anything

1670
01:14:23,843 --> 01:14:28,179
else what we adjourn? Motion to

1671
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:31,014
adjourn, it's 8:10 p.m. Motion

1672
01:14:28,181 --> 01:14:33,083
to adjour, we need a motion.

1673
01:14:31,016 --> 01:14:35,853
Second, all in favor,

1674
01:14:33,085 --> 01:15:09,620
opposed The ayes have it. This

1675
01:14:35,855 --> 01:15:09,620
meeting is adjourned.