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Everyone welcome, this is the

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operation finance and

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administrative committee of

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August 3rd 2026 I am Rod

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Skoog the chair

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of the committee Welcome all

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I'm glad you're here.

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Welcome commissioners

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With that we will Start the

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agenda here Open forum Is

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so, please step to the podium

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See none We are going

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to move on to item 1.4 public

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hearing. I have a script here

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I will read so it's more

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formal than I Normally handle

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my comments. So here we go

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Next on the agenda is the

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scheduled public hearing

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being held in order

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to comply

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of section 147 subsection F

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of the Internal Revenue Code

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of 1986 today's date is

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August 3rd 2026 Notice for

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this public hearing was

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published in the Star and

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Tribune on July 24th 2026 the

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of today's public hearing is

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to allow the public

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to voice their approval

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for or against the issuance

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from time to time by the

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Metropolitan Airports

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Commission of its not

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to exceed a 400 million

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in aggregate public amounts

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of airport revenue refunding

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bonds to finance and

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refinance various

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improvements at Minneapolis

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Airport and Flying Cloud

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Airport as more specifically

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described in the notice

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of public hearing No action

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state and spell their name

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the name of the company or

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organization that they may

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of the public to comment

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Seeing none The deadline

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for receipt

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of written comments was prior

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to this public hearing no

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hearing a transcript of

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today's hearing will be sent

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to Governor walls With a

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issuance of the airport

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1.5, Awards and

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Recognition, Distinguished

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The podium is yours.

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Welcome.

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Good afternoon, Chair

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I'm Kathy Fisher, the

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Budget Manager for the MAC,

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program in 1984, and we got

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communication tool for our

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criteria guide,

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that we did get this

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although we put the book

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together, and Sue mainly puts

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it together and sends it off

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to the GFOA, it is...

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across the organization.

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to everybody

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Congratulations.

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math, I was coming up with

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41 years and it's 42 years.

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thank you so much

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for the hard work you do.

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for being here the last, I'm

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guessing, eight months.

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to your longevity, hopefully

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five consent items

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to 2.12, internal audit

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to 2.3, the 2026 audit fee.

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Seeing no questions

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from commissioners,

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is there a motion

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to approve the consent items

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2.1, 2.2, 2.3, and 2.4?

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There is a motion by

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Commissioner Ginsberg,

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seconded by Chair

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Lawrence.

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All those in favor, signify

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by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Motion carries.

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Okay, on

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to the business items.

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Section 3 of our agenda,

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ratification

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of labor agreements

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with the Minnesota

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Teamsters Local 320.

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Allison Kelly, the podium is

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yours.

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Excellent.

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Good morning.

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Good afternoon.

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All right.

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All right.

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I am here today to review.

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The tentative agreement

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with the Minnesota

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Teamsters Local 320 and the

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Law Enforcement Labor

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Services Local 395 covering

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the lieutenants.

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Our goal today is

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to get your approval of the

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bargaining agreement.

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I'm going to give you a

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little information here.

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So, Chair Skoog,

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commissioners, I'm Allison

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Kelly, Labor Relations

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Manager.

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You know who I am.

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I'm here to present on

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Teamsters.

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They represent approximately

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120 employees in the field

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maintenance department and

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the reliever.

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I cover the founding

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languages OFP Their will be

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the only group with the

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legacy longevity structure

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that will continue to be in

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application format as we've

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done with previous groups

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for 2026 wages will increase

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by 3.5% retroactive to July

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1, 2026 for all titles. In

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2026 there will be several

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changes to the legacy

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longevity payment structure

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for this group the teamsters

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are the only group with the

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legacy longevity structure.

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That legacy longevity lump

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sum annual payment structure

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will end as

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of the last full pay period

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of the group. The first step

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is

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to provide a full pay period

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of the legacy longevity

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structure available only to

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employees who are permanently

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employed as of June 30,

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2026.

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That extended step structure

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for those who are

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grandfathered in is effective

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the first full pay period

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following July 1, 2026. What

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that means is there will be

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three new steps, step 7, 8,

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and 9 that will be achieved

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at five, 10 and 15 years

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of permanent full-time

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service in a teamster

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represented position.

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Employees who are employed in

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a full-time are currently

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eligible based

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on the required years

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of service they will be

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placed

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on their appropriate steps as

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of the implementation

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with the new steps 7, 8 and

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9. Employees who become

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eligible based

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on the required years

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of service

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in the future will progress

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to those steps upon becoming

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eligible at 5, 10 and 15

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years of service.

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Following the implementation

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of those extended longevity

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steps in July of 26 they will

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remain 3% eligible for those

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extended longevity steps.

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Employees who are hired

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on or after July 1 of 2026

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will not be eligible for the

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longevity steps the maximum

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of the range for new

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employees should be step 6.

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In addition the current

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forklift differential was

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increased to 45 cents an hour

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and will be incorporated into

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the base hourly rate

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eliminating the differential

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entirely but employees will

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still be required to maintain

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their forklift certification.

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This is effective the first

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full pay period following the

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implementation of those

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extended longevity steps and

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the class A commercial

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driver's license differential

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to be earned simultaneously.

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Then effective July 1, 2027

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wages will increase

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by 3% consistent with our

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pattern and effective July

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1, 2028 wages will increase

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by 3.5% consistent

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with our pattern

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across the MAC. The health

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dental and life insurance

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provisions are the same as

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established

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for nonunion employees

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during the term

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of the agreement.

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The monthly employer

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contribution to the employees

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post employment health care

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savings plan was increased

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to $150 a month. That's

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effective January 1, 2027 and

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following MSRS approval

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of said changes. The

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differential for employees

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who hold a commercial

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driver's license class A was

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increased by 10 cents to 70

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cents an hour. That will be

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effective January 1, 2027.

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An increase to the annual

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safety shoes and apparel

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benefit modifying the month

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in which it's paid from July

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to February and a $25

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increase. Floating holidays

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were modified

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to clarify annual usage by

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December 1, each year and

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clarify the annual safety

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shoes and apparel benefit

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for employees who are

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required to use the benefit

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before the end

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of the year cut off and have

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a one-time opportunity

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to roll those holidays

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into the next year. These

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changes are consistent

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with MAC policy and all

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of our other agreements. New

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emergency callback language

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was agreed to for reliever

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airports that helps address

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how employees are called back

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to work in the event of a

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time sensitive emergency

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specific to relievers.

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Language modifications were

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made to address the changes

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in the law for earned sick

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and safe time and the

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Minnesota paid family and

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medical leave. We made a

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modification

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to the existing memorandum

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00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,000
of agreement for seasonal and

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00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,000
temporary airport maintenance

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workers that addressed wages,

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uniforms and separation

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appeal process. A new

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memorandum of agreement

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regarding a new airport

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maintenance worker trainee

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program was agreed

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to and a new memorandum of

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agreement regarding a trial

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snow and ice response

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schedule that provides for

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00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,400
12 hour shifts rather than

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24 hour shifts

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for a limited number of

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participants and a new

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memorandum

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of agreement was agreed to.

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We did have some other

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housekeeping clarification

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minor changes as agreed upon.

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I want

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to highlight that the group

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of stewards who negotiated

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this agreement with me

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deserve a special call out.

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We worked through some really

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tough and some complex

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issues.

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They not only maintained

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respect and professional

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decorum throughout the

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process but they asked really

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good questions. They made

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very thoughtful suggestions

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and they trusted the process

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and me and the committee

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in ways that allowed us

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to brainstorm solutions

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without fear ultimately

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reaching a solid total

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agreement.

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And lastly this group made

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notable efforts throughout

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the process to reach a timely

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agreement prior

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to the expiration of the

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contract and I sincerely

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00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,000
appreciate their efforts and

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00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,000
their partnership throughout

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00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,000
negotiations.

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This agreement was reached

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in good faith with the

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bargaining team recommending

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ratification

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00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,000
to its members. They have

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voted to ratify the tentative

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agreement and human resources

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00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,000
is recommending ratification

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00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,000
to its members.

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00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,000
They have voted to ratify the

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00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,000
tentative agreement. We ask

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00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,000
that you recommend to the

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00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,000
full commission the approval

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00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,000
of the three year labor

569
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agreement with the Minnesota

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00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,000
teamsters local 320.

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thank you

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for your presentation.

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Just a couple quick comments.

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Between you and the staff

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here at mac and the stewards

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and teamsters 320 that says a

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00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,000
lot when you work that hard

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00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,000
together and you have the

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trust of each other and I

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00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,000
think that has a lot to do

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with what' s happened

582
00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,000
in the last few years with

583
00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,000
you and what you'

584
00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,000
accomplished with these

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00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,000
agreements and I thank you as

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00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,000
well as the stewards and

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local 320 and the staff here

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at mac.

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00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,000
Kathy that' s you too.

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00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,000
Some big changes and I think

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00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,000
there' s been some trust that

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00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,000
has been built there and it'

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00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,000
s showing so congratulations

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00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,000
on that.

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I have one question that

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I'll open up

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for commissioners. Do we see

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many employees of the

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relievers maintenance crew

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00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,000
transferring over to MSP or

601
00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,000
vice versa or do they kind

602
00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,000
of stay stable

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00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,000
at their locations?

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That' s a really good

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question.

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I would say there' s a fair

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amount of movement. I think

608
00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,000
when opportunities come up I

609
00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,000
think I couldn't tell you

610
00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,000
the percentage but usually

611
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,000
when we have a position

612
00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,000
opening there' s enough

613
00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,000
shuffling kind of back and

614
00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,000
forth. I think some folks see

615
00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,000
an opportunity

616
00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,000
to try something different or

617
00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,000
to go

618
00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,000
to a reliever or go back

619
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,000
to MSP.

620
00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,000
There is a slight amount

621
00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,000
of that

622
00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,000
with positions that open.

623
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,000
Thank you for that.

624
00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,000
Questions

625
00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,000
of commissioners?

626
00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,000
Commissioner Ginsberg.

627
00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,400
I share Chair Skoog's

628
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,000
enthusiasm for the process.

629
00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,000
It seemed kind

630
00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,000
of a big change

631
00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,400
between legacy and step.

632
00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,000
What was the reason to move

633
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,000
from a legacy type contract

634
00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,000
to a step type contract?

635
00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,000
Commissioner Ginsberg,

636
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,000
Commissioner Skoog, the

637
00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,400
difference isn't all that

638
00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,000
big, frankly.

639
00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,000
The way that their longevity

640
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,000
works is it' s currently paid

641
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,000
as a lump sum payment.

642
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,000
Converting this to steps, it

643
00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,000
doesn't really add or

644
00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,000
subtract anything other than

645
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,000
it kind of relieves some

646
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,000
other pressures just

647
00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,000
in terms of providing a large

648
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,000
lump sum. It helps the

649
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,000
longevity work

650
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,000
in conjunction with potential

651
00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,000
incentive payments.

652
00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,000
Rather than sort

653
00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,000
of competing against each

654
00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,000
other that would be subject

655
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,000
to other statutory

656
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,000
provisions.

657
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,000
Putting it into the steps is

658
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,000
just administratively also a

659
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,000
little bit easier

660
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,000
for the MAC.

661
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,000
Overall, folks are still

662
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,000
getting exactly what they

663
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,000
were getting before. It' s

664
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,000
just in a step structure

665
00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,000
versus calculated as a lump

666
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,000
sum at the end

667
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,000
of every year.

668
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,000
Thank you.

669
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000
Commissioner Hoard.

670
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,000
Thank you, Chairman. I have

671
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,000
still some questions about

672
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,000
the legacy longevity lump sum

673
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,000
payment.

674
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,000
Can you explain how that has

675
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,000
been working just a little

676
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,000
bit for me, please?

677
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,000
Sure. Commissioner Hoard,

678
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,000
Commissioner Skoog.

679
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,000
The lump sum payment is

680
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,000
either,

681
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,000
it' s a percentage based

682
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,000
on whether or not you've

683
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,000
been in a Teamster

684
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,000
represented title

685
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,000
for five years 10 years or

686
00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,000
15 years.

687
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,000
Percentage of either 3%,

688
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,000
6% or 9%. That' s calculated

689
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,000
off of your gross income.

690
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,000
We would calculate

691
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,000
at the end

692
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,000
of the year the 3% or 10 or

693
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,000
15 depending

694
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,000
on how many years

695
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,000
of service you had and pay it

696
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,000
in February

697
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,000
of the following year.

698
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,000
Converting it to steps,

699
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,000
it was a step

700
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,000
at the same value

701
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,000
of 3% higher, 6% higher,

702
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,000
9% higher.

703
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,000
They will just sit on the

704
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,000
step and it' s paid real time

705
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,400
on their wages versus

706
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,000
calculated at the end

707
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,000
of the year as a lump sum.

708
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,000
Okay, so the steps is the one

709
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,000
that' s paid

710
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,000
with every paycheck?

711
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,000
Correct. Okay, and the lump

712
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,000
sum was paid once a year

713
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,000
basically?

714
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,000
Correct. Okay, thank you

715
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,000
for that clarification.

716
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,000
Yep.

717
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,000
Other questions from

718
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,000
commissioners?

719
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,000
Seeing none,

720
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,000
let' s take action on 3.1.

721
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,000
Do we have a motion?

722
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,000
We have a motion from Chair

723
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,000
Lawrence. Do we have a

724
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,000
second?

725
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,000
Second from Commissioner

726
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,000
Hoard.

727
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,000
All those in favor signify

728
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,000
by saying aye.

729
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,000
Aye. Anyone opposed?

730
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,000
The motion carries.

731
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,000
Allison, you get to stay up

732
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,000
for 3.2.

733
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000
You' re competing with Chris

734
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,000
who was at the podium

735
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:19,000
for an hour at the DP&E.

736
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,000
So ratification

737
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,000
of labor agreement

738
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,000
with law enforcement, labor

739
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000
services, local 395 police

740
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,000
lieutenants union. The podium

741
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,000
is yours again.

742
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,000
Excellent, thank you. I will

743
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,000
not be up here

744
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,000
for an hour.

745
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000
So presenting the tentative

746
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,000
agreement

747
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,000
with the law enforcement,

748
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,000
labor services, local 395

749
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,000
representing police

750
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,000
lieutenants. This is an

751
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,000
essential unit of five total

752
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,000
lieutenant positions. The

753
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,000
contract covers three years,

754
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,000
January 1, 2026 through

755
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,000
December 30, 2028.

756
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,000
As you've heard me discuss

757
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,000
with previous sworn law

758
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,000
enforcement tentative

759
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,000
agreements, the job market

760
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,000
for sworn peace officers is a

761
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,000
compressed competitive

762
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,000
market.

763
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,000
The market has also been

764
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,000
shifting for some of the

765
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,000
higher level leadership

766
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,000
positions such as lieutenants

767
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,000
and the MAC seeks to maintain

768
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,000
a competitive position

769
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,000
with its wages.

770
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,000
My analysis of the market

771
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,000
data indicated a need

772
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,000
for a wage adjustment

773
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,000
in addition to MAC's pattern

774
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,000
annual general wage increase.

775
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,000
So effective January 1,

776
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,000
2026, the pattern 3.5%

777
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,000
general wage increase will be

778
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,000
applied and effective August

779
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,000
1, 2026, an additional 4.5%

780
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,000
market adjustment will be

781
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,000
provided prospectively.

782
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,000
Then effective January 1,

783
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,000
2027, wages will increase

784
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,000
by 3%.

785
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,000
This is consistent

786
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,000
with other settled agreements

787
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,000
across the MAC.

788
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,000
And effective January 1,

789
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,000
2028, wages will increase

790
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,000
by 3.5%, again consistent

791
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,000
with other settled agreements

792
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,000
across the MAC.

793
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,000
Overall market trend for

794
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,000
licensed peace officers

795
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000
reflects what various

796
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,000
organizations are attempting

797
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,000
to do

798
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,000
in a competitive market. The

799
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,000
lieutenant market is slightly

800
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,000
unique

801
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,000
in that the primary entry

802
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,000
into the lieutenant title is

803
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,000
often

804
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,000
by internal promotion only,

805
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,000
which is the case here

806
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,000
at the MAC. The recruitment

807
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,000
and retention in the

808
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,000
lieutenant title requires not

809
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,000
only an external market

810
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,000
competitiveness but an

811
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,000
internal attractiveness that

812
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,000
reflects the transition

813
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,000
from a non-exempt,

814
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,000
meaning eligible

815
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000
for overtime position

816
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,000
to an exempt position

817
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,000
in which you are not eligible

818
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,000
for overtime. We believe

819
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,000
these adjustments along with

820
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,000
a strong positive culture and

821
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,000
other employment benefits

822
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,000
will help keep the MAC in a

823
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,000
competitive position both

824
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,000
internally and externally

825
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,000
for at least the next three

826
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,000
years.

827
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,000
Some other significant items

828
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,000
include some adjustments

829
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,000
to the holiday in clearing up

830
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,400
the holidays that apply

831
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,000
for this bargaining unit.

832
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,000
They were slightly out

833
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,000
of sync with some

834
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,000
of the other groups.

835
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,000
As well as clarification

836
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,000
on when holidays fall

837
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,000
on a weekend.

838
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,000
There is also the employer

839
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,000
paid long-term disability

840
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,000
insurance for sergeants, I'm

841
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,000
sorry, lieutenants, not

842
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,000
sergeants, similar to other

843
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,000
bargaining units and

844
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,000
non-union employees

845
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,000
throughout the MAC.

846
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,000
Thank you.

847
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,000
We've also reduced the

848
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,000
severance eligibility from

849
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,000
20 years to 10 years

850
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,000
of MAC service. This also

851
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,000
aligns with some

852
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,000
of the other groups

853
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,000
across the MAC and helps to

854
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,000
support recruitment and

855
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,000
retention. That's effective

856
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,000
prospectively following

857
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,000
commission approval.

858
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,000
Their health and dental and

859
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,000
life insurance provisions are

860
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,000
the same as established

861
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,000
for non-union employees

862
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,000
during the term

863
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,000
of the agreement. This

864
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,000
agreement was negotiated

865
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,000
in good faith and

866
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,000
with the assistance

867
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,000
of mediation. The union has

868
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,000
ratified the tentative

869
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,000
agreement with its membership

870
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,000
and human resources is

871
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,000
currently in the process

872
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,000
of approving the agreement.

873
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,000
The one last comment I'll

874
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,000
make is I'm very pleased

875
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,000
to share that

876
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,000
with these two agreements, it

877
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,000
concludes our 2026-2028

878
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,000
bargaining cycle.

879
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,000
You will get a break from me

880
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,000
for a minute.

881
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,000
12 of our 13 groups are

882
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,000
officially completed once we

883
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,000
complete the full commission

884
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,000
approval later this month.

885
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,000
Our final contract with our

886
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,000
MAC plumbers doesn't expire

887
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,000
until the spring of 27.

888
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,000
They're

889
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,000
on a different cycle.

890
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,000
With that, thank you.

891
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,000
That is the last

892
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,000
of the bunch.

893
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,000
I'll stand for any questions.

894
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,000
Way to go, Allison. Good work

895
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,000
once again.

896
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,000
I see four of our chief and

897
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,000
three officers standing

898
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000
out there. Thanks

899
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000
for your service.

900
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,000
We are so pleased to have you

901
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,000
and this is a good thing

902
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000
to get accomplished.

903
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,000
Questions

904
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,000
from commissioners?

905
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000
Chair Lawrence.

906
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,000
Thank you for the

907
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,000
presentation and delighted to

908
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,000
hear that these agreements

909
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,000
have been worked on

910
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000
in a cordial,

911
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,000
productive manner.

912
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,000
The adjustment

913
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,400
for the lieutenants based

914
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,000
on market conditions,

915
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,000
do we check market conditions

916
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,000
for the other skilled

917
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,000
colleagues

918
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,000
in the other unions?

919
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,000
Commissioner, yes.

920
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,000
I do a market assessment

921
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,000
prior to engaging

922
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,000
in negotiations

923
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000
with every bargaining unit.

924
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,000
Is it fair to say that the

925
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,000
other bargaining units who

926
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,000
are not getting that sort of

927
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000
adjustment feel that there's

928
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,000
been a fair and equitable way

929
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,000
that this particular unit has

930
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,000
gotten that adjustment?

931
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,000
I know you can't speak

932
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,000
for them,

933
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,000
but what is your impression?

934
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,000
Chair, that's a good

935
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000
question.

936
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,000
I think it's hard for me

937
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,000
to assume, and I think many

938
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,000
of the bargaining units

939
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,000
probably wouldn't appreciate

940
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000
if I did make assumptions

941
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000
about their feelings.

942
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,000
I think what we strive for

943
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,000
at the board is to make sure

944
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000
that we have a market

945
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,000
adjustment that's different

946
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,000
than what we've provided

947
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,000
for other groups or is

948
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,000
above and beyond.

949
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,000
We do so with full

950
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,000
justification and

951
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,000
transparency in being able to

952
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,000
explain why and how we got

953
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,000
there so that nothing is

954
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000
hidden or secretive.

955
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,400
The law enforcement labor

956
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,000
services union rep and I

957
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000
in all

958
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,000
of our law enforcement units,

959
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000
we share data. We try to get

960
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000
to a common universe

961
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,000
of who it is we're comparing

962
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,000
against so that we're not

963
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,000
arguing

964
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,000
over who the universe is.

965
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,000
There's plenty of

966
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,000
verifications that take

967
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,000
place.

968
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000
I think with as much fact

969
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,400
sharing and universal truth

970
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,000
or facts and transparency

971
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,000
in explaining it,

972
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,000
I think we get as close to

973
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,000
understanding those

974
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,000
differences without causing

975
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,000
excessive conflict.

976
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,000
Not to be cynical,

977
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,000
but as this is one

978
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,000
of the last agreements, I've

979
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,000
asked the original question

980
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000
because people who were

981
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,000
at the front

982
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,000
of the line and then see

983
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,000
at the end of the line this

984
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,000
market adjustment might say

985
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,000
wait a minute, how about one

986
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000
for me? But I'm taking away

987
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,400
from your comments that

988
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,000
there's an equitable way

989
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,000
of doing this with each of

990
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,000
the groups so while you can't

991
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,000
speak for them, you can say

992
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,000
for yourself and

993
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000
for the MAC, we believe we've

994
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,000
done that fairly.

995
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,000
Is that correct?

996
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,000
Yes, correct.

997
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,000
Thank you.

998
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,000
Other questions?

999
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,000
Commissioner Ginsberg.

1000
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,000
Just one comment.

1001
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,000
The demand for good law

1002
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000
enforcement not only

1003
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,000
in the metro but throughout

1004
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,000
the country has become

1005
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,000
significant and I applaud

1006
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,000
both your efforts and efforts

1007
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,000
of our law enforcement to

1008
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,000
make sure that they bring

1009
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,000
forward and we negotiate

1010
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,000
something that's fair

1011
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,000
in order to keep that

1012
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,000
compliment where it is and

1013
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,000
hopefully grow it if needed.

1014
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,000
So I applaud your efforts and

1015
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,000
our law enforcement folks

1016
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,000
back there because they do

1017
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,000
everything that needs to be

1018
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,000
done here and it's not really

1019
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,000
easy competing

1020
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,000
with that kind of a market,

1021
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,000
so thanks.

1022
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,000
Thank you.

1023
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,000
Any other questions?

1024
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,000
Commissioner Crimmins.

1025
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,000
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1026
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,000
And it's not a question, it's

1027
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,000
more a comment that would it

1028
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,000
be fair to say that if the

1029
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,000
groups you're negotiating

1030
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,000
with weren't satisfied they

1031
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000
wouldn't ratify?

1032
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,000
Yes, that's fair to say.

1033
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,000
They have alternative

1034
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,000
processes.

1035
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,000
Thank you.

1036
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,000
One other comment.

1037
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,000
There was a little wage

1038
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,000
discussion here a couple

1039
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,000
minutes ago and those were

1040
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000
all about paychecks,

1041
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,000
paychecks, paychecks,

1042
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,000
but there are those things,

1043
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,000
other economic and language

1044
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,000
changes and each one is

1045
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,000
unique with these different

1046
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,000
bargaining units, the give

1047
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,000
and take and the steps and

1048
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,000
those things have value as

1049
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,000
well.

1050
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,000
And as we look at this police

1051
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,000
one or local 320, those other

1052
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,400
economic and language items

1053
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,000
are important and I know they

1054
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,000
always say paychecks,

1055
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000
show me the money,

1056
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,000
but they are big deals.

1057
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000
As we think about these,

1058
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000
it's hard to compare

1059
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000
sometimes because those other

1060
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,000
economic things become a big

1061
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,000
discussion item

1062
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,000
in negotiations.

1063
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,000
So my hat goes off

1064
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,000
to all that participated

1065
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,000
in this process.

1066
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,000
With that, we need a motion

1067
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,000
and a second.

1068
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,000
Second.

1069
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,000
We have a motion by

1070
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,000
Commissioner Ginsberg, a

1071
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,000
second by Commissioner

1072
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,000
Crimmins, all those

1073
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,000
in favor signify

1074
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000
by saying aye.

1075
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,000
Aye.

1076
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000
Any opposed?

1077
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,000
Hearing none,

1078
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,000
motion carries.

1079
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,000
Brian, the floor is yours.

1080
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,000
Chair Skoog, commissioners,

1081
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,000
Alison said you're going

1082
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,000
to get a break I think

1083
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,000
from her

1084
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,000
for a minute and that's about

1085
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000
it because I've asked her

1086
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,000
to come back to full

1087
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,400
commission this month and

1088
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000
give a little bit

1089
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,000
of an overview since we do

1090
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,000
have new commissioners and we

1091
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,000
do this once every three

1092
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,000
years typically of all the

1093
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,000
bargaining units and just

1094
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,000
to give a little bit

1095
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000
of an overview since we do

1096
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,000
have new commissioners and we

1097
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,000
do this kind

1098
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,000
of a little brief recap.

1099
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000
It won't be very long but I

1100
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,000
think it will be educational

1101
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,000
and just wanted

1102
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,000
to again echo some of your

1103
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,000
comments and other

1104
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,000
commissioner comments and

1105
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,000
thank Alison and the team

1106
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,000
with the MAC, the business

1107
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,000
units, the stewards.

1108
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,000
I'm really proud

1109
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,000
of the relationships

1110
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,000
to your point, Chair Skoog,

1111
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,000
that we have with our

1112
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,000
bargaining units and the

1113
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,400
advances that we've made

1114
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000
in that regard.

1115
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,000
Thank you.

1116
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Thank you.

1117
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,000
Thank you for the comments,

1118
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,000
Brian.

1119
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,000
Thank you, Alison.

1120
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,000
You did a nice job.

1121
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,000
Appreciate it.

1122
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,000
Well done.

1123
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,000
Okay, with that we're moving

1124
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,000
on

1125
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,000
to another business item,

1126
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,000
3.3, recommendation to adopt

1127
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,000
hearing officer's report and

1128
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,000
recommend adoption

1129
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,000
of the draft retail sales of

1130
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,000
intoxicating liquor and wine

1131
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,000
at Minneapolis-St. Paul

1132
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000
International Airport.

1133
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,000
Jay Noseworthy, the podium

1134
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,000
is yours.

1135
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,000
Thank you, Chair.

1136
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,000
I'm Jay Noseworthy, the

1137
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,000
manager

1138
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,000
for concessions operations

1139
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,000
and with me is Demetria

1140
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,000
Williams, attorney in our

1141
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,000
legal affairs department.

1142
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,000
We're here today

1143
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,000
to discuss the retail sales

1144
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,000
of intoxicating liquor and

1145
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,000
wine at Minneapolis

1146
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,000
International Airport.

1147
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,000
There's three large reasons

1148
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,000
that we brought this forward.

1149
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,000
One is

1150
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,000
to improve the clarity,

1151
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,000
consistency, and efficiency

1152
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,000
by codifying MSP's liquor

1153
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,000
licensing procedures.

1154
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,000
Established training programs

1155
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,000
to reduce the number

1156
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,000
of incidents,

1157
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,000
to mitigate any violations

1158
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,000
within the airport, and

1159
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,000
to increase accountability,

1160
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,000
allowing us to use civil

1161
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000
penalties towards the license

1162
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,000
holders themselves

1163
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,000
for service violations

1164
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,000
instead

1165
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,000
of just a criminal path for

1166
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,000
the individual service

1167
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,000
person.

1168
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,000
We followed the timeline

1169
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,000
to go

1170
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,000
through this procedure.

1171
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,000
In February, we had held two

1172
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,000
individual meetings

1173
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,000
with MAC staff and tenants

1174
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,000
for an open forum

1175
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,000
to discuss information.

1176
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,000
In April, we came

1177
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,000
to the commission

1178
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,000
for approval

1179
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,000
for a public hearing.

1180
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000
In May, we gave notice of a

1181
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,000
public hearing email

1182
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,000
distributed to MAC's

1183
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,000
commission mailing list, web

1184
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,000
postings, MSP Connect, and

1185
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,000
MS, the metro airports

1186
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,000
organization website.

1187
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,000
In May, we gave notice

1188
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,000
of public hearing published

1189
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,000
in finance and commerce.

1190
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,000
Also, towards the end of

1191
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,000
May, we had a notice

1192
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,000
of public hearing published

1193
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,000
in the state register.

1194
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,000
On June 1, we came to OFNA

1195
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,000
for a public hearing where we

1196
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,000
received no comments

1197
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000
at all.

1198
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,000
Here we are today at the

1199
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000
meeting for the hearing

1200
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,000
officer's report

1201
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,000
consideration.

1202
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,000
Hopefully, that will go into

1203
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,000
the next two phases where we

1204
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,000
get to have this adopted and

1205
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,400
an ordinance effective in

1206
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000
October.

1207
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,000
So, as Jay alluded to,

1208
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,000
we are here today to consider

1209
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,000
the hearing officer's report.

1210
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,000
And just a quick summary

1211
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,000
of that report,

1212
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,000
that provides a basic summary

1213
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,000
of what we have already done

1214
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,000
at the public hearing back

1215
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,000
in June.

1216
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,000
Typically, that report would

1217
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,000
also have comments

1218
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000
from the public, but

1219
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,000
since we didn't have any,

1220
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,000
there aren't any

1221
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000
in this report.

1222
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000
The finding conclusions and

1223
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,000
order section is what another

1224
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,000
aspect that we would like

1225
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,000
to ask to be considered.

1226
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,100
And in that section, we are

1227
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:29,100
outlining MAC's authority to

1228
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:31,100
issue an ordinance here and

1229
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:32,100
briefly summarizes the

1230
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:35,100
process that we have taken

1231
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:38,100
to get to this point.

1232
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:43,100
So, our recommendation today,

1233
00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:44,100
after a thorough review of

1234
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:47,601
the record and just the draft

1235
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:54,100
ordinances that is on the

1236
00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:56,100
record the only changes we

1237
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:57,100
made essentially are minor.

1238
00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:59,100
The only changes we made are

1239
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:01,100
minor Per minor,

1240
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:03,100
non-substantive or capital

1241
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:04,100
letter here or there because

1242
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:05,100
essentially we didn't have

1243
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:06,100
any comments

1244
00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:07,100
from the public.

1245
00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:08,100
Not much to change and if

1246
00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:09,100
adopted

1247
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:10,100
by the full commission, the

1248
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:11,100
proposed ordinance would be

1249
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:13,100
affective on October 1st of

1250
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:14,100
2026 right before our renewal

1251
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:16,401
starts taking place for

1252
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:19,100
liquor licensing.

1253
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:23,100
the attached hearing officers

1254
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:25,401
report. Recommend the full

1255
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:28,100
commission approve the

1256
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:29,100
findings, conclusions,

1257
00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:31,100
and order from the hearing

1258
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:33,100
officers report. Recommend

1259
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:34,100
that the full commission

1260
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:36,100
adopt the draft retail sales

1261
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:37,100
of intoxicating liquor and

1262
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:39,100
wine at the Minneapolis-St.

1263
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:40,100
Paul International Airport

1264
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:41,100
ordinance as MAC ordinance

1265
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:43,100
number 134. And lastly,

1266
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:45,100
recommend that the full

1267
00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:46,100
commission authorize the

1268
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:48,100
executive director, CEO,

1269
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:49,100
or his designee to execute

1270
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:51,100
the necessary documents.

1271
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:54,100
And with that, we'll stand

1272
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:56,100
for any questions. Thank you

1273
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:58,100
both. Question for you. So we

1274
00:35:58,100 --> 00:35:59,100
didn't get any responses

1275
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:00,100
from the public

1276
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:03,100
at the hearing. How could the

1277
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:04,100
process go prior to that with

1278
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:06,100
those that are running

1279
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:07,100
businesses here

1280
00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:08,100
at the airport,

1281
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:09,100
getting their input,

1282
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:11,100
having listening sessions?

1283
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:12,100
How did that go so we didn't

1284
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:13,100
have those? It's a good thing

1285
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:15,100
that we didn't because all

1286
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:16,100
those questions were talked

1287
00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:17,100
about and answered

1288
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:18,100
in advance. So I'm trying

1289
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:19,100
to get an understanding

1290
00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:20,100
of how that went. Yes,

1291
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:22,100
Chair.

1292
00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:23,100
And commissioners, we held

1293
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:24,100
two open forums, plus we had

1294
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:25,100
other direct discussions and

1295
00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:26,100
communications with all of

1296
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:28,401
our tenants and stakeholders

1297
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:32,100
who are affected by this.

1298
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:33,100
The only questions we really

1299
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:34,100
got on were about how the

1300
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:37,100
training process will be and

1301
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:39,100
what process they need

1302
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:40,100
to follow, the tracking

1303
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:41,100
available,

1304
00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:43,100
and what the timelines were.

1305
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:45,100
That was really the only real

1306
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:46,100
questions that we got besides

1307
00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:48,100
just when is it going to go

1308
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:50,100
into effect. That's

1309
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:51,100
about it. Okay. Thank you

1310
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:52,100
for that.

1311
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:53,100
Questions of commissioners?

1312
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:56,100
Seeing none, we need a motion

1313
00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:58,100
and a second.

1314
00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:03,100
We have a motion by Dixie and

1315
00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:05,401
a second by Commissioner

1316
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:07,100
Day. All those

1317
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:08,100
in favor signify

1318
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:11,100
by saying aye. Aye. Anyone

1319
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:12,100
opposed? Hearing none,

1320
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:14,100
the motion carries. Thank you

1321
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:16,100
both.

1322
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:25,100
Moving on to 3.4 of our

1323
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:26,100
business items.

1324
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:27,100
Recommendation to adopt

1325
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:28,100
Resolution 2676,

1326
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:30,100
Minneapolis-St. Paul

1327
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:32,100
Metropolitan Airports

1328
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:33,100
Commission Senior Airport

1329
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:34,100
Revenue Refunding Bond

1330
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:36,401
Series 2026A and B.

1331
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:42,100
Nick, the podium is yours.

1332
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:44,100
Good afternoon, Chair

1333
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:45,100
Skoog, Chair Lawrence,

1334
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:47,100
commissioners, Nick

1335
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:48,100
Hinchley, Director of

1336
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:49,100
Finance. I must first

1337
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:51,100
apologize on behalf of the

1338
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:52,100
Board of our Bond Council,

1339
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:53,100
who is sitting right back

1340
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:55,100
here

1341
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:56,100
for the several hundred pages

1342
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:57,100
of documents

1343
00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:59,100
in your package this month.

1344
00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:00,100
So you can thank them

1345
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:02,100
afterwards if you'd

1346
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:04,100
like to.

1347
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:10,100
It would be those, yes.

1348
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:14,100
So as a reminder, back in

1349
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:15,100
May, you approved Resolution

1350
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:16,100
2674, which authorized staff

1351
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:18,100
to proceed

1352
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:19,100
with the preparation

1353
00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:20,100
of bond documents

1354
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:22,100
for an issuance this year.

1355
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:24,100
So staff, Bond Council,

1356
00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:25,100
financial advisors, and

1357
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:26,100
underwriters have been

1358
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:28,100
working hard

1359
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:29,100
for the last couple

1360
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:30,100
of months

1361
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:31,100
on putting those together,

1362
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:32,100
which is now what is

1363
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:33,100
in your package this month

1364
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:34,100
for review. So we can be

1365
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:35,100
prepared and ready to go

1366
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:36,100
to market here in just

1367
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:40,100
over a month from now. So as

1368
00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:42,100
we had mentioned,

1369
00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:44,100
this is going to be our 2026A

1370
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:46,100
and B series bonds that we'll

1371
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:47,100
be issuing, and there will be

1372
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:49,100
refunding bonds

1373
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:50,100
of our 2016A, 2026B, and

1374
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:52,100
2016C, and 2016D series that

1375
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:54,100
are all callable on January

1376
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:56,100
1, 2027. Those are the three

1377
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:58,100
highlighted ones

1378
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:03,100
in blue there. The 2016E

1379
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:06,100
bonds are also callable on

1380
00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:08,100
January 1. However, they are

1381
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:10,401
not generating any refunding

1382
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:12,100
savings, so we will not be

1383
00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:13,100
refunding them

1384
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:15,100
at this time. Going forward,

1385
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:17,100
based

1386
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:21,100
on current interest rates,

1387
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:23,100
a tax exemption,

1388
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:24,100
the current

1389
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:25,100
refunding is estimated

1390
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:26,100
to generate about 20.1

1391
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:27,100
million dollars in net

1392
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:28,100
present value savings or just

1393
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:29,100
over five percent of refunded

1394
00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:31,100
par we don't do a refunding

1395
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:34,100
unless we're in excess of

1396
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:36,100
three percent so this is uh

1397
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:37,100
obviously has a nice margin

1398
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:39,100
above that to generate some

1399
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:41,100
nice savings I believe the

1400
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:43,100
average annual uh in savings

1401
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:45,100
on it is about 1.4 million

1402
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:48,100
but as you can see

1403
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:49,100
in the upper right we're

1404
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:50,100
going to get a little more

1405
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:51,100
on the front end

1406
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:53,401
of the curve 28 through 2032

1407
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:55,100
in the savings and then it'll

1408
00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:56,100
drop and level out

1409
00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:58,100
for the remainder of the

1410
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:01,100
refunded pars time and just

1411
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:04,100
for your awareness kind of

1412
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:06,100
the upcoming calendar we did

1413
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:08,401
have a ratings call

1414
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:11,100
with s p and fitch

1415
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:13,100
on Friday we do expect rate

1416
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:14,100
to receive ratings from them

1417
00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:16,401
around august 13th just

1418
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:19,100
in time for this to return

1419
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:20,100
to

1420
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:21,100
for full commission approval

1421
00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:24,100
on august 17th we'll post the

1422
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:26,100
preliminary official

1423
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:28,100
statement that's

1424
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:29,100
in your package

1425
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:31,100
around the 21st and like I

1426
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:32,100
said right now we're

1427
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:33,100
estimating pricing are going

1428
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:36,100
to market on September 10th

1429
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:37,100
and then doing final closing

1430
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:38,100
on the bond issuance on

1431
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:40,100
October 6th so

1432
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:46,100
with that um well it was a

1433
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:47,100
lot of documents I tried

1434
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:48,100
to keep it short

1435
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:49,100
I?m recommending

1436
00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:51,100
to the full commission

1437
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:53,100
approval of resolution 2676

1438
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:56,100
which authorizes the sale of

1439
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:57,100
the senior airport revenue

1440
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:59,401
refunding bonds and the

1441
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:01,100
execution delivery of the

1442
00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:02,100
associated documents listed

1443
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:04,100
below which is the amended

1444
00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:05,100
and restated master trust

1445
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:07,100
indenture the 11th

1446
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:09,100
supplemental trust indenture

1447
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:10,100
the preliminary and final

1448
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:12,100
official statements senior

1449
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:14,100
escrow agreement the board

1450
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:15,100
and escrow agreement bond

1451
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:17,100
purchase agreement and our

1452
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:18,100
continuing disclosure

1453
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:20,100
certificate and

1454
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:21,100
with that I'll stand

1455
00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:23,100
for any questions

1456
00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:29,100
of commissioners Nick this is

1457
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:33,401
some complex stuff very

1458
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:35,100
complex stuff and I

1459
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:36,100
appreciate the efforts that

1460
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:37,100
go to into it and the

1461
00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:39,100
professional staff we hire

1462
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:40,100
to manage it and work on the

1463
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:41,100
documents I think we have

1464
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:43,100
also

1465
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:46,100
in the audience that worked

1466
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:47,100
on it has worked on its

1467
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:49,100
for several decades I think

1468
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:51,100
thanks for the efforts

1469
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:53,100
on this with that is there a

1470
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:56,100
recommendation or do we just

1471
00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:58,100
need a motion approval the

1472
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:00,100
recommendations approval

1473
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:02,401
through seven 2676 and the

1474
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:04,100
documents okay so we need a

1475
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:06,100
motion

1476
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:08,100
to approve resolution 2676

1477
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:11,100
you have a motion by

1478
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:12,100
Commissioner Crimmins second

1479
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:14,100
by Commissioner Hoard all

1480
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:15,100
those in favor signify by

1481
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:17,100
saying aye anyone opposed

1482
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:19,100
hearing none the motion

1483
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:22,100
passes Thank You Nick okay

1484
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:27,100
moving on to business item

1485
00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:29,100
3.5 policy 2801 consultant

1486
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:32,401
policy revision Nick Andrew

1487
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:42,100
before we start just a couple

1488
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:43,100
comments from me this is a

1489
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:45,100
policy that has had a lot

1490
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:47,100
of work put into it by a lot

1491
00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:48,100
of different people Andrew

1492
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:50,100
Thank You Evan Thank You

1493
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:52,100
Brian Thank You staff and

1494
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:54,401
commissioners I know that

1495
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:56,100
chair Lawrence has worked a

1496
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:57,100
lot on it Commissioner

1497
00:42:57,100 --> 00:43:00,100
Ginsberg has I've spent a lot

1498
00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:01,100
of time on it and I think we

1499
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:03,100
have a policy that has really

1500
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:05,100
been reviewed and

1501
00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:07,100
polished up

1502
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:11,100
to what I think works

1503
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:13,100
for all of us and I thank all

1504
00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:14,100
those different groups that I

1505
00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:16,401
mentioned and the patients

1506
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:19,100
that Took place between the

1507
00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:21,100
OF&A meeting a month ago and

1508
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:23,100
where we're at today So I

1509
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:25,100
encourage all commissioners

1510
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:26,100
still to ask questions if you

1511
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:28,100
have questions That's what

1512
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:29,100
this is about

1513
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:30,100
But it has really been vetted

1514
00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:31,100
with a lot of people

1515
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:32,100
over the last 30 days even a

1516
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:33,100
few days prior

1517
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:34,100
to our OF&A meeting so

1518
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:37,100
with that I will Hand the

1519
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:40,100
podium off to you Nick and

1520
00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:41,100
to Andrew and I should have

1521
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:42,100
mentioned Evan too I didn't

1522
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:44,100
call you on Evan,

1523
00:43:44,100 --> 00:43:45,100
but you spent a lot of time

1524
00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:46,100
on this too. So thank you

1525
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:47,100
And if I missed anybody else,

1526
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:49,100
I apologize hard work

1527
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:52,100
by all Podiums here. All

1528
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:54,100
right. Thank you chair

1529
00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:55,100
school. Jerry Lawrence

1530
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:56,100
commissioners again, Nick

1531
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:57,100
Hinchley director of Finance

1532
00:43:57,100 --> 00:43:59,100
Be sharing podium here with

1533
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:01,100
Andrew as we go

1534
00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:03,100
through the slides and a lot

1535
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:04,100
of work put in also by Gresh

1536
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:07,100
and Kyle as well so As you do

1537
00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:10,601
recall we did bring this as

1538
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:13,100
an information item last

1539
00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:15,100
month of the July OF&A

1540
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:18,100
meeting As a redrafted policy

1541
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:20,100
2801

1542
00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:21,100
around our consultant policy

1543
00:44:21,100 --> 00:44:24,100
It's a board approved policy

1544
00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:26,100
that governs a selection

1545
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:27,100
contracting use monitoring

1546
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:29,100
and payment of consultants

1547
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:31,100
And the approval

1548
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:32,100
of the policy will support

1549
00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:33,100
Mac's commitment to

1550
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:35,100
continuous improvement and

1551
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:36,100
included in your packet was

1552
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:38,100
both a clean copy and a

1553
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:39,100
redlined copy of the

1554
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:41,100
Redrafted policy 2801

1555
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:42,100
from last month So you can

1556
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:44,100
see the changes that were

1557
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:47,100
made and I believe also

1558
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:48,100
included a summary

1559
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:51,100
of changes So you could see

1560
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:52,100
those more readily Fiscal

1561
00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:54,401
impact so consultants are

1562
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:58,100
budgeted for and paid for

1563
00:44:58,100 --> 00:45:00,100
using both operating and

1564
00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:02,100
capital budgets at the Mac

1565
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:04,100
Obviously capital budgets is

1566
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:06,100
our construction program. So

1567
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:07,100
that's your architects

1568
00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:09,100
engineers Etc. that go into

1569
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:11,100
that and then operating

1570
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:13,100
attorneys auditors and other

1571
00:45:13,100 --> 00:45:15,100
various consultants

1572
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:18,100
in many departments

1573
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:21,100
around the Mac use that front

1574
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:23,401
using operating funds The

1575
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:25,100
proposed policy introduces

1576
00:45:25,100 --> 00:45:26,100
new budget requirements

1577
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:28,100
to ensure that the use of

1578
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:29,100
consultant services is

1579
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:31,100
justified and that'll be

1580
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:32,100
reviewed

1581
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:33,100
with the executive team

1582
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:34,100
during the budget process

1583
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:35,100
every year when each

1584
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:37,100
department meets

1585
00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:39,100
with them and Then it

1586
00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:41,100
additionally establishes a

1587
00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:42,100
process for human resources

1588
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:44,100
to conduct at request a

1589
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:45,100
consultant versus employee

1590
00:45:45,100 --> 00:45:47,100
review

1591
00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:48,100
to determine whether there

1592
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:50,100
may be Cost and or efficiency

1593
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:51,100
gains for the Mac and hiring

1594
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:53,100
Temporary or full-time

1595
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:55,100
employee to provide the

1596
00:45:55,100 --> 00:45:56,100
services versus hiring a

1597
00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:58,100
consultant and bringing them

1598
00:45:58,100 --> 00:45:59,100
on board Proposed policy will

1599
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:01,100
not affect payment

1600
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:03,100
of consultants out

1601
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:05,100
of the approved funds That

1602
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:07,100
process will remain the same

1603
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:08,100
And the policy is truly aimed

1604
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:10,100
at increasing efficiencies

1605
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:12,100
that may reduce costs

1606
00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:13,100
To the Mac, but no specific

1607
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:15,100
fiscal impact is expected

1608
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:18,100
These are just a quick

1609
00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:20,100
highlight of the actions that

1610
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:22,100
will be requested

1611
00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:23,100
for approval here later on

1612
00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:25,100
with the policy and the CEO

1613
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:26,100
but to give a little more

1614
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:28,100
background

1615
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:33,100
on this consultant services

1616
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:35,100
Which are defined as

1617
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:36,100
intellectual in character and

1618
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:37,100
usually result

1619
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:39,100
in the production

1620
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:40,100
of a specified deliverable

1621
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:42,100
like a report plan

1622
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:43,100
Assessment design or other

1623
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:45,100
material in which the Mac

1624
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:46,100
takes an intellectual

1625
00:46:46,100 --> 00:46:48,100
property interest As I

1626
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:49,100
mentioned before this may

1627
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:50,100
include services that require

1628
00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:52,100
professional licensure legal

1629
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:53,100
medical audit accounting

1630
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:55,100
engineering architectural

1631
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:58,100
in nature And again,

1632
00:46:58,100 --> 00:46:59,100
there's kind of a brief non

1633
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:01,100
all-inclusive list of those

1634
00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:02,100
that could be included It

1635
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:04,401
does not include construction

1636
00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:06,100
contractors concession

1637
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:08,100
operators CMAR construction

1638
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:11,100
managers Or non-professional

1639
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:13,100
services that are procured

1640
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:15,100
under the purchasing policy,

1641
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:17,100
which is separate from this

1642
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:19,100
So

1643
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:20,100
with that I'm actually going

1644
00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:21,100
to turn it over to Andrew

1645
00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:22,100
for some additional analysis

1646
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:24,100
Can we go back

1647
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:25,100
to that previous slide just

1648
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:26,100
for a second?

1649
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:27,100
I think there's something

1650
00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:28,100
worthy to point out here so

1651
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:29,100
one thing that I forgot

1652
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:30,100
about and I think makes sense

1653
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:31,100
to include here not to just

1654
00:47:31,100 --> 00:47:33,100
to talk about is let's use

1655
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:36,601
lobbyists that we may hire or

1656
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:40,100
construction Professionals

1657
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:41,100
to help us

1658
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:43,100
through an RFP process. We

1659
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:45,100
have a pool of those that we

1660
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:47,100
have already selected

1661
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:49,100
to draw from good example

1662
00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:52,601
would be obvious pool that we

1663
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:54,100
want to have help us

1664
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:56,100
on an issue at the Capitol or

1665
00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:57,100
We did the construction

1666
00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:59,100
manager

1667
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:02,100
at risk and we had cross

1668
00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:03,100
Anderson help but we had a

1669
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:05,100
pool that we selected them

1670
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:06,100
from that the Commission had

1671
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:09,100
already put that pool in

1672
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:11,100
place that we could then draw

1673
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:12,100
upon

1674
00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:13,100
to pull those professionals

1675
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:15,100
from as we think

1676
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:16,100
about that as we look at the

1677
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:18,100
included and does not include

1678
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:19,100
in the included is that pool

1679
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:21,100
that we would then select

1680
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:23,100
from if it was a construction

1681
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:24,100
consultant that we wanted

1682
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:27,100
to use or from If we had a

1683
00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:29,100
legislative issue that we

1684
00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:32,100
were working on and to make

1685
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:35,100
sure that we didn't lose

1686
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:36,100
sight of that because we have

1687
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:37,100
already pre-approved some of

1688
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:38,100
those things and if there's

1689
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:39,100
concerns

1690
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:40,100
on those we have already We

1691
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:41,100
discussed that

1692
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:43,100
at this commission.

1693
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:44,100
Does that make sense?

1694
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:45,100
Thank you.

1695
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:47,100
Chair, if I could.

1696
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:49,100
I think on the legislative

1697
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:50,100
one there's contract.

1698
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:52,100
It's a six-year contract.

1699
00:48:52,100 --> 00:48:54,100
It's not like a pool.

1700
00:48:54,100 --> 00:48:56,100
It went through a process

1701
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:57,100
of selection,

1702
00:48:57,100 --> 00:49:00,100
and there is a contract.

1703
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:03,100
So I think once that contract

1704
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:05,100
is up, there would then be

1705
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:06,100
another process or contract

1706
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:08,100
or whatever

1707
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:09,100
to either do a selection

1708
00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:11,100
of many to pick

1709
00:49:11,100 --> 00:49:13,100
from or else do a contract

1710
00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:15,100
with the existing or somebody

1711
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:17,100
other,

1712
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:19,401
some other lobbying firm.

1713
00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:22,100
But I don't think there's

1714
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:23,100
just like more than what has

1715
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:25,100
been picked for a contractual

1716
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:26,100
basis as opposed

1717
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:28,401
to a pool basis.

1718
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:32,100
Okay.

1719
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:33,100
And that, I don't know

1720
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:34,100
about the others.

1721
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:35,100
I want to make sure I'm

1722
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:36,100
accurate with what I said.

1723
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:37,100
So maybe, Andrew, you can

1724
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:38,100
help this out a little bit.

1725
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:39,100
Of course.

1726
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:40,100
Chair Skoog, Commissioner

1727
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:41,100
Ginsberg.

1728
00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:43,100
We typically, you know,

1729
00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:44,100
depending

1730
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:45,100
on the consultant services,

1731
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:46,100
we'll do it

1732
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:48,100
in different models.

1733
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:49,100
So, for example, you know,

1734
00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:50,100
if you're doing a particular

1735
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:52,100
project, small dollar value,

1736
00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:54,100
you kind of know who you're

1737
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:55,100
going with.

1738
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:57,100
Oftentimes there will be a

1739
00:49:57,100 --> 00:49:59,100
solicitation and one

1740
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:01,100
consultant.

1741
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:03,100
However, oftentimes, you

1742
00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:04,100
know,

1743
00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:06,100
our very large consultant

1744
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:08,100
services, contracts,

1745
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:10,100
architects, engineers,

1746
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:11,100
construction coordinators,

1747
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:13,100
those are typically

1748
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:16,100
on a six-year cycle.

1749
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:17,100
Several different firms are

1750
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:18,100
selected to be able

1751
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:19,100
to provide those services,

1752
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:20,100
and then individual projects

1753
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:21,100
get authorized amongst that

1754
00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:22,100
pool.

1755
00:50:22,100 --> 00:50:23,100
So both methods are used

1756
00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:25,100
under this policy.

1757
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:26,100
Thank you

1758
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:28,100
for clarifying that,

1759
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:30,100
Counsel.

1760
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:35,100
Kevin just mentioned, he

1761
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:36,100
goes, I think we're coming

1762
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:37,100
to the end of the

1763
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:38,100
construction pool here

1764
00:50:38,100 --> 00:50:39,100
shortly on the six-year term

1765
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:41,100
that they are within,

1766
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:42,100
and we'll be re-looking at

1767
00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:43,100
those consultants coming up

1768
00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:44,100
and just making people aware

1769
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:46,100
that we're coming to the end

1770
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:47,100
of that six-year cycle on

1771
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:49,100
those.

1772
00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:50,100
I'll let you continue.

1773
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:51,100
Sorry

1774
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:52,100
for interrupting your pace

1775
00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:53,100
of your presentation,

1776
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:54,100
but I thought it was

1777
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:55,100
important to get that out.

1778
00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:56,100
No, not a problem.

1779
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:58,100
Thank you, Chair Skoog.

1780
00:50:58,100 --> 00:50:59,100
Thank you.

1781
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:00,100
You know, one other thing I

1782
00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:01,100
would point out, kind of

1783
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:02,100
on the...

1784
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:03,100
On that topic of what's

1785
00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:05,100
included, what's not, today

1786
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:07,100
is a little bit fortuitous

1787
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:08,100
in terms of timing,

1788
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:09,100
but if you look back on the

1789
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:10,100
consent agenda that was just

1790
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:12,100
approved this earlier

1791
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:14,100
in the meeting, and you look

1792
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:16,100
at item 2.1.5, that is our

1793
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:18,100
quarterly report of all of

1794
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:20,100
the new agreements that we

1795
00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:21,100
have

1796
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:22,100
for professional services,

1797
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:23,100
any amended agreements,

1798
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:25,100
and then a five-year look

1799
00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:27,100
back of all payments made

1800
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:29,100
to consultants.

1801
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:30,100
And so, you know,

1802
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:31,100
if you're looking...

1803
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:32,100
If you're looking

1804
00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:33,100
for a very comprehensive list

1805
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:34,100
of this is what we're doing

1806
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:35,100
under this policy, these are

1807
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:37,100
the firms and individuals

1808
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:38,100
that have been employed,

1809
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:39,100
that's an excellent place

1810
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:41,100
to look.

1811
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:42,100
And again, you know, this is

1812
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:43,100
a report that's delivered

1813
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:45,100
to this committee

1814
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:47,401
on a quarterly basis.

1815
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:52,100
So, in terms of analysis,

1816
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:54,100
as Nick mentioned,

1817
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:59,100
we're going to really focus

1818
00:51:59,100 --> 00:52:01,100
in on the...

1819
00:52:01,100 --> 00:52:02,100
The key policy changes that

1820
00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:03,100
we have made since we...

1821
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:05,100
Or

1822
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:06,100
since we presented this last

1823
00:52:06,100 --> 00:52:07,100
in July with, you know, the

1824
00:52:07,100 --> 00:52:09,100
knowledge that that

1825
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:11,100
discussion that we had in

1826
00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:13,100
July was very robust

1827
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:14,100
in terms of the background,

1828
00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:15,100
in terms of the current

1829
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:17,100
policy versus the proposed

1830
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:19,100
policy.

1831
00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:21,100
So, going into those key

1832
00:52:21,100 --> 00:52:24,100
policy changes, the first one

1833
00:52:24,100 --> 00:52:25,100
that was made was adding the

1834
00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:27,100
role of an approver,

1835
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:29,100
which was assigned

1836
00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:30,100
to the CFO.

1837
00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:31,100
So, as we...

1838
00:52:31,100 --> 00:52:32,100
As we mentioned

1839
00:52:32,100 --> 00:52:33,100
in our last presentation,

1840
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:34,100
one of the goals was

1841
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:35,100
to assign roles as is

1842
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:37,100
expected under our policy

1843
00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:39,100
management program.

1844
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:41,100
And this is one that, you

1845
00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:43,100
know, we identified

1846
00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:44,100
in that interim period.

1847
00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:46,100
And what the role

1848
00:52:46,100 --> 00:52:47,100
of the approver is under the

1849
00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:49,100
policy management program is

1850
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:50,100
it is the final staff

1851
00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:52,100
approval

1852
00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:54,100
of policy revisions.

1853
00:52:55,100 --> 00:52:58,100
So, the CFO would be the one

1854
00:52:58,100 --> 00:52:59,100
to decide whether...

1855
00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:01,100
Whether the policy revision

1856
00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:03,100
is ready to go to the board

1857
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:05,100
for action by the board

1858
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:06,100
with respect

1859
00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:08,100
to this policy.

1860
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:10,100
And then, the CFO would also

1861
00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:12,100
be the approver

1862
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:13,100
of staff procedures that live

1863
00:53:13,100 --> 00:53:14,100
underneath this policy and

1864
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:15,100
give direction on various

1865
00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:17,100
staff level activities that

1866
00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:19,100
are happening.

1867
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:20,100
We also added language

1868
00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:22,100
regarding the roles and

1869
00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:23,100
responsibilities

1870
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:24,100
of internal audit.

1871
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:25,100
You know, obviously, these

1872
00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:27,100
roles and responsibilities

1873
00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:28,100
are inherent to the power of

1874
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:29,100
an internal audit department,

1875
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:31,100
but we thought it...

1876
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:32,100
We thought it was helpful

1877
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:34,100
to specify that and educate

1878
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:35,100
within the context

1879
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:37,100
of the policy.

1880
00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:38,100
So, we added a section that

1881
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:39,100
describes their roles,

1882
00:53:39,100 --> 00:53:41,100
especially around providing

1883
00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:42,100
independent and objective

1884
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:44,100
oversight.

1885
00:53:44,100 --> 00:53:45,100
And then, also, that they

1886
00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:47,100
may serve as advisors

1887
00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:49,100
on review teams

1888
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:51,100
within the context

1889
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:53,100
of formal solicitations.

1890
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:56,100
We also enhanced the language

1891
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:57,100
describing the board's

1892
00:53:57,100 --> 00:53:59,100
governance and oversight.

1893
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:00,100
I think a lot of our

1894
00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:01,100
conversation that we had,

1895
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:03,100
at the July meeting, was

1896
00:54:03,100 --> 00:54:04,100
around board governance,

1897
00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:05,100
staff management,

1898
00:54:05,100 --> 00:54:06,100
and we felt a need to kind

1899
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:07,100
of spell out a lot of these

1900
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:09,100
different things and make it

1901
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:10,100
more clear

1902
00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:11,100
within the policy.

1903
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:13,100
So, for example,

1904
00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:15,100
under the board's role,

1905
00:54:15,100 --> 00:54:16,100
we added language

1906
00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:17,100
around governance,

1907
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:19,100
reiterating that it's the

1908
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:20,100
board that sets the framework

1909
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:22,100
for staff to follow

1910
00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:23,100
with respect

1911
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:24,100
to the activities

1912
00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:26,100
under the policy.

1913
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:27,100
We also spoke

1914
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:29,100
to the oversight role

1915
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:30,100
of the board, with respect

1916
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:32,100
to the policy, emphasizing

1917
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:33,100
that the board has a role

1918
00:54:33,100 --> 00:54:35,100
in reviewing items, like the

1919
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:36,100
quarterly report that I

1920
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:37,100
mentioned earlier.

1921
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:39,100
And then, also, plays a role

1922
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:40,100
in directing and receiving

1923
00:54:40,100 --> 00:54:42,100
inquiries.

1924
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:44,100
So, you know, to give an

1925
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:45,100
example, the purpose of

1926
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:46,100
providing this quarterly

1927
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:49,100
report is for the board to

1928
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:51,401
review if there's questions,

1929
00:54:52,100 --> 00:54:53,100
if there's discrepancies,

1930
00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:55,100
if there's questions that

1931
00:54:55,100 --> 00:54:56,100
come from commissioners,

1932
00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:58,401
if there's questions that

1933
00:54:59,100 --> 00:55:01,100
come from the public,

1934
00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:03,100
there is a role

1935
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:04,100
for the board to play in

1936
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:05,100
reviewing that report and

1937
00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:06,100
then directing those

1938
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:07,100
inquiries to staff

1939
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:08,100
for resolution and

1940
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:09,100
for comment.

1941
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:10,100
So we included language

1942
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:12,100
around that role as well.

1943
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:13,100
In addition,

1944
00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:14,100
we bolstered language

1945
00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:16,100
in the description of the

1946
00:55:16,100 --> 00:55:17,100
roles and responsibilities

1947
00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:19,100
of the CEO.

1948
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:20,100
So, for example, one of the

1949
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:22,100
changes that we made is that

1950
00:55:22,100 --> 00:55:23,100
we noted that in the policy

1951
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:24,100
where the board delegates

1952
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:26,100
activities to staff,

1953
00:55:27,100 --> 00:55:29,100
it's always

1954
00:55:29,100 --> 00:55:31,100
under the direction of the

1955
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:32,100
executive director-CEO,

1956
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:33,100
so that there's a clear chain

1957
00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:35,100
of command with respect

1958
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:36,100
to that delegation

1959
00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:37,100
of authority.

1960
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:38,100
We also noted that the

1961
00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:40,100
executive director-CEO is the

1962
00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:41,100
proper recipient

1963
00:55:41,100 --> 00:55:42,100
of board inquiries, so to the

1964
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:43,100
extent that the board has

1965
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:45,100
questions about activities

1966
00:55:46,100 --> 00:55:47,100
under the policy,

1967
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:49,100
to the extent that, you know,

1968
00:55:49,100 --> 00:55:51,100
there are inquiries raised

1969
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:52,100
from the public, he is that

1970
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:54,100
liaison and would be the

1971
00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:55,100
person

1972
00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:57,100
to direct those questions.

1973
00:55:57,100 --> 00:56:00,100
So we will direct those

1974
00:56:00,100 --> 00:56:01,100
questions, too,

1975
00:56:01,100 --> 00:56:03,100
for further resolution.

1976
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:04,100
Another change that we made

1977
00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:05,100
was we adjusted in the policy

1978
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:06,100
where we used the term

1979
00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:07,100
delegated signer and where we

1980
00:56:07,100 --> 00:56:09,100
used the term staff.

1981
00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:11,401
Now, the term delegated

1982
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:14,100
signer is the staff person

1983
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:16,100
who signs agreements

1984
00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:17,100
with consultants.

1985
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:20,100
And the assignment of that

1986
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:22,100
responsibility is handled

1987
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:25,100
outside of this policy.

1988
00:56:25,100 --> 00:56:27,100
It's actually handled in the

1989
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:29,100
MAC signature delegation

1990
00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:31,100
policy, which currently

1991
00:56:31,100 --> 00:56:33,100
addresses all other types of

1992
00:56:33,100 --> 00:56:35,100
agreements that the MAC

1993
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:36,100
currently enters into.

1994
00:56:36,100 --> 00:56:37,100
So one of the changes,

1995
00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:38,100
as we mentioned in July, that

1996
00:56:38,100 --> 00:56:40,100
we're making here is we're

1997
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:42,100
removing that

1998
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:43,100
from the policy and placing

1999
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:46,100
it along with and within the

2000
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:48,100
document that handles all

2001
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:50,100
other things.

2002
00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:51,100
And the intention,

2003
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:53,100
when we make that change

2004
00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:55,100
to that policy, is that the

2005
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:57,100
delegated signer is going

2006
00:56:57,100 --> 00:56:59,100
to be limited

2007
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:01,100
to C executives and VPs,

2008
00:57:01,100 --> 00:57:02,100
so higher-level staff

2009
00:57:02,100 --> 00:57:03,100
within the MAC,

2010
00:57:03,100 --> 00:57:04,100
which is similar

2011
00:57:04,100 --> 00:57:05,100
to what we have in other

2012
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:06,100
contexts as far as who has

2013
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:07,100
been assigned authority

2014
00:57:07,100 --> 00:57:09,100
to sign on behalf of MAC.

2015
00:57:09,100 --> 00:57:11,100
So given the fact that that

2016
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:13,100
is a more limited pool

2017
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:14,100
of employees,

2018
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:15,100
we felt the need to go

2019
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:16,100
through the policy and

2020
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:17,100
decide, is this a

2021
00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:18,100
responsibility or task that

2022
00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:19,100
is best handled at this level

2023
00:57:19,100 --> 00:57:21,401
versus a responsibility or

2024
00:57:22,100 --> 00:57:23,100
task that needs

2025
00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:24,100
to be handled

2026
00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:25,100
at a lower level

2027
00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:27,100
under the direction

2028
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:29,100
of that delegated signer?

2029
00:57:29,100 --> 00:57:31,100
We also revised the language

2030
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:32,100
regarding the issuance

2031
00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:34,401
of a formal solicitation.

2032
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:36,100
So we clarified the required

2033
00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:37,100
contents

2034
00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:39,100
of staff's memoranda to the

2035
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:41,100
board requesting approval.

2036
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:43,100
This was something that was

2037
00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:45,100
in the current policy that we

2038
00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:46,100
decided to carry over

2039
00:57:46,100 --> 00:57:47,100
into the proposed policy,

2040
00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:49,100
spelling out the criteria

2041
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:50,100
for what needs

2042
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:51,100
to be presented

2043
00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:52,100
to the board.

2044
00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:53,100
We also described the board's

2045
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:55,100
role in deciding whether to

2046
00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:56,100
approve goals that are listed

2047
00:57:56,100 --> 00:57:57,100
in that memo

2048
00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:59,100
around the solicitation, any

2049
00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:00,100
criteria,

2050
00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:01,100
as well as the membership

2051
00:58:01,100 --> 00:58:03,401
of the review teams.

2052
00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:05,100
It also notes that either

2053
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:07,100
staff or the board can

2054
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:08,100
request separate ratification

2055
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:10,100
of the selection decision.

2056
00:58:10,100 --> 00:58:12,100
So again, this is a power

2057
00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:14,100
that is already inherent

2058
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:15,100
within the board, that there

2059
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:17,100
can be a modification

2060
00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:19,100
to the requested action,

2061
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:21,100
but we decided to spell out

2062
00:58:21,100 --> 00:58:22,100
that if there's a situation

2063
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:23,100
where it makes sense

2064
00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:25,100
to have this go to the board

2065
00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:26,100
twice and have them ratify

2066
00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:28,401
the selection decision after

2067
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:31,100
staff makes that decision, it

2068
00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:34,100
is an option that can be

2069
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:35,100
requested either

2070
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:37,100
by the board or by staff.

2071
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:39,100
And a good example of a time

2072
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:41,100
in which that would be wholly

2073
00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:43,100
appropriate would be,

2074
00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:46,100
for example, when we select

2075
00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:48,100
the consultant that provides

2076
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:49,100
external audit services

2077
00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:51,100
to the MAC.

2078
00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:53,100
That is selected

2079
00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:54,100
underneath this policy.

2080
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:56,100
And given, you know, kind

2081
00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:57,100
of the unique nature

2082
00:58:57,100 --> 00:58:59,100
of the external audit,

2083
00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:00,100
that consultant reports both

2084
00:59:00,100 --> 00:59:02,100
to staff and to the board.

2085
00:59:02,100 --> 00:59:04,100
They have a dual reporting

2086
00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:05,100
relationship

2087
00:59:05,100 --> 00:59:07,100
with that consultant.

2088
00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:08,100
And so, you know, that is a

2089
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:10,100
situation where it makes a

2090
00:59:10,100 --> 00:59:11,100
lot of sense for there

2091
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:13,100
to be more board involvement

2092
00:59:13,100 --> 00:59:15,100
in that selection decision.

2093
00:59:15,100 --> 00:59:18,100
And then finally, we added

2094
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:19,100
language that notes that

2095
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:21,100
members

2096
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:23,100
of the board and or members

2097
00:59:23,100 --> 00:59:25,100
of internal audit may be

2098
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:26,100
requested to participate

2099
00:59:26,100 --> 00:59:29,100
on review teams as advisors.

2100
00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:36,100
Chair Lawrence.

2101
00:59:36,100 --> 00:59:37,100
Yeah, if you could go back

2102
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:39,100
one slide, please.

2103
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:41,100
The penultimate dot that says

2104
00:59:41,100 --> 00:59:43,100
notes that either staff or

2105
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:44,100
the board can request and so

2106
00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:46,100
forth,

2107
00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:48,100
I think the proper writing of

2108
00:59:48,100 --> 00:59:50,100
that is notes that staff can

2109
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:53,100
request of the board or the

2110
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:55,100
board can decide

2111
00:59:55,100 --> 00:59:57,401
to have separate ratification

2112
01:00:00,100 --> 01:00:02,100
of selection decisions.

2113
01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:04,100
Now, possibly you meant it

2114
01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:06,100
to say that, but what it says

2115
01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:07,100
literally is not what it

2116
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:08,100
should say.

2117
01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:10,100
Chair Lawrence, Chair

2118
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:13,100
Skoog.

2119
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:14,100
Yes, that is very much

2120
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:15,100
correct.

2121
01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:16,100
And that is actually one of

2122
01:00:16,100 --> 01:00:17,100
the linguistic changes that

2123
01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:18,100
we intended to make

2124
01:00:18,100 --> 01:00:20,100
within the red line,

2125
01:00:20,100 --> 01:00:22,100
what you're seeing today,

2126
01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:24,100
is we did want to make it

2127
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:26,100
very clear that staff

2128
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:27,100
typically makes a request

2129
01:00:27,100 --> 01:00:28,100
of the board

2130
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:30,100
to approve something.

2131
01:00:30,100 --> 01:00:31,100
But the board is well

2132
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:33,100
within its rights

2133
01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:35,100
to decide whether

2134
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:37,100
to approve, to approve

2135
01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:39,100
with modifications, or

2136
01:00:39,100 --> 01:00:41,100
to not approve.

2137
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:42,100
And so we did want

2138
01:00:42,100 --> 01:00:43,100
to clarify that

2139
01:00:43,100 --> 01:00:45,100
within the language to say

2140
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:47,401
that the staff requests,

2141
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:52,100
the board directs.

2142
01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:55,100
Yeah, the way you've just

2143
01:00:55,100 --> 01:00:57,401
said it is fine.

2144
01:00:58,100 --> 01:01:00,100
But the way it's literally

2145
01:01:00,100 --> 01:01:02,100
written here, you know,

2146
01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:04,100
the board can request of who

2147
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:06,100
does the board request?

2148
01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:07,100
The board requests

2149
01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:08,100
of itself.

2150
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:10,100
It's a little more

2151
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:11,100
straightforward

2152
01:01:11,100 --> 01:01:12,100
to just start by saying the

2153
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:14,100
staff can request or the

2154
01:01:14,100 --> 01:01:15,100
board can decide.

2155
01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:17,100
So it seems like we're

2156
01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:18,100
on the same page.

2157
01:01:18,100 --> 01:01:20,100
Thanks.

2158
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:21,100
Yes.

2159
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:22,100
Commissioner Ginsberg.

2160
01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:23,100
On the last bullet, addition

2161
01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:25,100
of language noting that

2162
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:27,100
members

2163
01:01:27,100 --> 01:01:29,100
of the board and or members

2164
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:31,100
of internal audit may be

2165
01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:33,100
requested to participate

2166
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:36,100
on review teams as advisors,

2167
01:01:36,100 --> 01:01:38,100
I thought that it made sense

2168
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:41,601
to not be requested, but to

2169
01:01:42,100 --> 01:01:43,100
request that we would be

2170
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:45,100
approved.

2171
01:01:45,100 --> 01:01:48,100
That we would be a part

2172
01:01:48,100 --> 01:01:50,100
of that specific thing,

2173
01:01:50,100 --> 01:01:51,100
whatever it may be.

2174
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:52,100
And I just would

2175
01:01:52,100 --> 01:01:54,100
like that flipped.

2176
01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:57,401
That we can request

2177
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:01,401
to be a part.

2178
01:02:02,100 --> 01:02:03,100
Again, if I may,

2179
01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:05,100
Commissioner Ginsberg, that

2180
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:07,100
is sort of carries down

2181
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:09,401
from the penultimate point

2182
01:02:10,100 --> 01:02:12,100
to the bottom point.

2183
01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:13,100
So it's, you know,

2184
01:02:13,100 --> 01:02:15,100
I did not specifically call

2185
01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:16,100
out that,

2186
01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:18,100
but it's entirely consistent

2187
01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:19,100
with what I was saying

2188
01:02:19,100 --> 01:02:20,100
earlier.

2189
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:21,100
Yeah.

2190
01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:22,100
I mean, it's just, you know,

2191
01:02:22,100 --> 01:02:23,100
you get what I'm saying here,

2192
01:02:23,100 --> 01:02:24,100
right?

2193
01:02:24,100 --> 01:02:25,100
Thank you, Commissioner

2194
01:02:25,100 --> 01:02:26,100
Ginsberg.

2195
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:27,100
I agree with you and that was

2196
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:28,100
my understanding.

2197
01:02:28,100 --> 01:02:29,100
So you could just take the

2198
01:02:29,100 --> 01:02:30,100
word be out of there.

2199
01:02:30,100 --> 01:02:31,100
The audit may request

2200
01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:32,100
to participate

2201
01:02:32,100 --> 01:02:33,100
on the review team.

2202
01:02:33,100 --> 01:02:34,100
So all we have to do is take

2203
01:02:34,100 --> 01:02:37,100
the one word out, I think.

2204
01:02:37,100 --> 01:02:39,100
In your slide here.

2205
01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:41,100
May request.

2206
01:02:42,100 --> 01:02:44,100
May request.

2207
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:46,100
Members of the board.

2208
01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:47,100
So, Chairman Skoog, I don't

2209
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:50,100
think we should edit things

2210
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:51,100
today, but I think we should

2211
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:53,100
make clear what we expect

2212
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:54,100
to come

2213
01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:56,100
before the full map.

2214
01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:57,100
Support that 100%.

2215
01:02:57,100 --> 01:02:59,100
Okay.

2216
01:03:00,100 --> 01:03:01,100
Any other questions while

2217
01:03:01,100 --> 01:03:02,100
we're at it?

2218
01:03:02,100 --> 01:03:04,100
Commissioner Forschler.

2219
01:03:06,100 --> 01:03:07,100
Yeah, thank you, Mr.

2220
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:08,100
Chair.

2221
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:09,100
This might be a question

2222
01:03:09,100 --> 01:03:10,100
for Nick.

2223
01:03:10,100 --> 01:03:12,401
Being a new member,

2224
01:03:13,100 --> 01:03:14,100
the board having not gone

2225
01:03:14,100 --> 01:03:15,100
through a budget process yet,

2226
01:03:15,100 --> 01:03:16,100
I'm just kind of curious if

2227
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:17,100
you could give me a sense of

2228
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:19,100
about how much we pay

2229
01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:20,100
consultants

2230
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:21,100
during the course of a year

2231
01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:23,100
and then also give me a sense

2232
01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:25,100
of how that's budgeted for.

2233
01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:27,100
Is it budgeted separately or

2234
01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:29,100
does it come out of an

2235
01:03:29,100 --> 01:03:30,100
operating budget or a capital

2236
01:03:30,100 --> 01:03:32,100
budget for a specific project

2237
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:33,100
that the consultant is

2238
01:03:33,100 --> 01:03:34,100
serving?

2239
01:03:34,100 --> 01:03:35,100
Yeah.

2240
01:03:35,100 --> 01:03:37,100
Chair Skoog, Chair

2241
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:38,100
Lawrence, Commissioner.

2242
01:03:38,100 --> 01:03:40,100
So the operating budget,

2243
01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:42,100
like I said, there's kind

2244
01:03:42,100 --> 01:03:44,100
of two pieces to it.

2245
01:03:44,100 --> 01:03:46,100
So the operating budget that

2246
01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:48,100
covers ones that departments

2247
01:03:48,100 --> 01:03:49,100
hire, like your attorneys and

2248
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:51,100
accountants and whatnot.

2249
01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:53,100
I don't remember the exact

2250
01:03:53,100 --> 01:03:55,100
number off the top

2251
01:03:55,100 --> 01:03:56,100
of my head that's

2252
01:03:56,100 --> 01:03:57,100
in the 26th budget,

2253
01:03:57,100 --> 01:03:58,100
but I want to say it's

2254
01:03:58,100 --> 01:04:00,100
around $60 million total.

2255
01:04:00,100 --> 01:04:01,100
No.

2256
01:04:01,100 --> 01:04:03,100
Is that right?

2257
01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:05,100
Yeah.

2258
01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:07,100
16.

2259
01:04:07,100 --> 01:04:08,100
Sorry, we'll look that up.

2260
01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:09,100
I didn't have it off the top

2261
01:04:09,100 --> 01:04:10,100
of my head.

2262
01:04:10,100 --> 01:04:11,100
I apologize.

2263
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:13,100
That's all right.

2264
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:15,100
And then the CIP.

2265
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:16,100
What's that?

2266
01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:17,100
Six.

2267
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:18,100
Six, right?

2268
01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:19,100
Okay.

2269
01:04:19,100 --> 01:04:20,100
And then as far as the CIP

2270
01:04:20,100 --> 01:04:21,100
goes, that's very dependent

2271
01:04:21,100 --> 01:04:22,100
on the projects that are

2272
01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:23,100
going on.

2273
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:24,100
Some of the larger ones

2274
01:04:24,100 --> 01:04:26,100
require much more consultant

2275
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:27,100
input and time versus smaller

2276
01:04:27,100 --> 01:04:29,100
projects that can be handled

2277
01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:30,100
mostly internally by our

2278
01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:32,100
project managers and others.

2279
01:04:32,100 --> 01:04:33,100
But so off the top

2280
01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:36,100
of my head, I don't know

2281
01:04:36,100 --> 01:04:38,100
exactly what was spent

2282
01:04:38,100 --> 01:04:39,100
in it.

2283
01:04:39,100 --> 01:04:41,401
A year on CIP.

2284
01:04:42,100 --> 01:04:43,100
I don't know if you had the

2285
01:04:43,100 --> 01:04:45,100
five-year plan in front

2286
01:04:45,100 --> 01:04:47,100
of you.

2287
01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:48,100
That might help.

2288
01:04:48,100 --> 01:04:50,100
3.6.

2289
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:52,100
Brian, the floor is yours.

2290
01:04:52,100 --> 01:04:53,100
Chair Skoog, commissioners,

2291
01:04:53,100 --> 01:04:55,100
I would refer you back,

2292
01:04:55,100 --> 01:04:56,100
Commissioner Forschler,

2293
01:04:56,100 --> 01:04:59,100
to item 2.1.5 that lists all

2294
01:04:59,100 --> 01:05:01,100
the PSAs.

2295
01:05:01,100 --> 01:05:02,100
And at the end of that

2296
01:05:02,100 --> 01:05:05,100
report, page 11 of 11, it has

2297
01:05:05,100 --> 01:05:06,100
a total of 85.

2298
01:05:06,100 --> 01:05:08,401
million in change for 2026.

2299
01:05:13,100 --> 01:05:14,100
But it does show the trend

2300
01:05:14,100 --> 01:05:16,100
from 20 or 2025.

2301
01:05:16,100 --> 01:05:17,100
Excuse me.

2302
01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:18,100
It shows the trend from 21

2303
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:20,100
through 25 on that.

2304
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:22,100
Chairman, thank you.

2305
01:05:22,100 --> 01:05:23,100
I appreciate that.

2306
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:24,100
Thank you

2307
01:05:24,100 --> 01:05:26,100
for your question.

2308
01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:27,100
Commissioner Crimmins.

2309
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:29,401
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2310
01:05:30,100 --> 01:05:32,100
I was just adding up one time

2311
01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:33,100
in the construction,

2312
01:05:33,100 --> 01:05:36,100
and it came out to 3.

2313
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:38,100
I think it was 3.86 million.

2314
01:05:38,100 --> 01:05:40,100
And that report that Brian

2315
01:05:40,100 --> 01:05:41,100
was talking about, just

2316
01:05:41,100 --> 01:05:43,100
for construction.

2317
01:05:43,100 --> 01:05:44,100
It's a big number,

2318
01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:45,100
and there's a lot of

2319
01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:46,100
consultants hired.

2320
01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:47,100
I think the number that was

2321
01:05:47,100 --> 01:05:48,100
thrown

2322
01:05:48,100 --> 01:05:49,100
on when we were discussing

2323
01:05:49,100 --> 01:05:50,100
in the last month is 800

2324
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:52,100
over the course of a year.

2325
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:53,100
That's a lot of people.

2326
01:05:53,100 --> 01:05:56,100
That's a lot of contracts.

2327
01:05:57,100 --> 01:05:59,100
So with that, let's continue

2328
01:05:59,100 --> 01:06:01,401
on with our presentation.

2329
01:06:04,100 --> 01:06:05,100
Of course, Chair Skoog.

2330
01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:07,100
So the last thing,

2331
01:06:07,100 --> 01:06:09,100
I was going to mention,

2332
01:06:09,100 --> 01:06:10,100
this isn't a change,

2333
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:13,601
but more just coming back to

2334
01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:16,100
reiterate something that we

2335
01:06:16,100 --> 01:06:17,100
agreed to

2336
01:06:17,100 --> 01:06:19,100
in the last meeting.

2337
01:06:19,100 --> 01:06:21,100
But again, staff is

2338
01:06:21,100 --> 01:06:22,100
requesting that the

2339
01:06:22,100 --> 01:06:23,100
commission approve the

2340
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:24,100
policy.

2341
01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:25,100
As we discussed,

2342
01:06:25,100 --> 01:06:26,100
there's quite a bit

2343
01:06:26,100 --> 01:06:28,100
of work that is going

2344
01:06:28,100 --> 01:06:29,100
to need to be undertaken

2345
01:06:29,100 --> 01:06:30,100
in order to implement the new

2346
01:06:30,100 --> 01:06:32,100
policy framework.

2347
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:33,100
So we're asking that the

2348
01:06:33,100 --> 01:06:35,100
executive director, CEO,

2349
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:36,100
decide when

2350
01:06:36,100 --> 01:06:38,100
to implement the effect.

2351
01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:40,100
And as we agreed to in that

2352
01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:41,100
July meeting, once effective,

2353
01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:42,100
the executive director, CEO,

2354
01:06:42,100 --> 01:06:44,100
will update the board as part

2355
01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:46,100
of his executive director,

2356
01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:47,100
CEO report.

2357
01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:48,100
And then if the effective

2358
01:06:48,100 --> 01:06:49,100
date is delayed past

2359
01:06:49,100 --> 01:06:51,100
February 2027, we'll return

2360
01:06:51,100 --> 01:06:52,100
to the board with an

2361
01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:54,100
information item describing

2362
01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:55,100
our progress and the reasons

2363
01:06:55,100 --> 01:06:57,100
for the delay.

2364
01:07:00,100 --> 01:07:01,100
So with that,

2365
01:07:01,100 --> 01:07:02,100
our action requested is to

2366
01:07:02,100 --> 01:07:03,100
recommend that the full

2367
01:07:03,100 --> 01:07:05,100
commission approve the

2368
01:07:05,100 --> 01:07:07,100
attached policy 28-1.

2369
01:07:07,100 --> 01:07:09,100
Consultant policy.

2370
01:07:09,100 --> 01:07:10,100
And authorize the executive

2371
01:07:10,100 --> 01:07:12,100
director, CEO,

2372
01:07:12,100 --> 01:07:13,100
to set the effective date

2373
01:07:13,100 --> 01:07:14,100
of the policy and to execute

2374
01:07:14,100 --> 01:07:16,100
any necessary documents.

2375
01:07:16,100 --> 01:07:17,100
And with that, we're happy

2376
01:07:17,100 --> 01:07:18,100
to stand

2377
01:07:18,100 --> 01:07:20,100
for any other questions.

2378
01:07:20,100 --> 01:07:21,100
both of you, thank you for

2379
01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:22,100
your patience as the

2380
01:07:22,100 --> 01:07:24,100
questions were asked

2381
01:07:24,100 --> 01:07:25,100
along the way, but we still

2382
01:07:25,100 --> 01:07:26,100
probably have some more

2383
01:07:26,100 --> 01:07:27,100
questions to be asked.

2384
01:07:27,100 --> 01:07:29,100
Commissioners, questions?

2385
01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:31,100
Mr. Ginsberg.

2386
01:07:31,100 --> 01:07:32,100
Not a question,

2387
01:07:32,100 --> 01:07:33,100
but a comment.

2388
01:07:33,100 --> 01:07:34,100
Thank you for taking at least

2389
01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:35,100
my connection and certainly

2390
01:07:35,100 --> 01:07:37,100
everybody else involved

2391
01:07:37,100 --> 01:07:39,100
in implementing them here.

2392
01:07:39,100 --> 01:07:41,100
And I not only appreciate it,

2393
01:07:41,100 --> 01:07:42,100
but certainly we would

2394
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:44,401
recommend a yes vote.

2395
01:07:45,100 --> 01:07:47,100
Chair Lawrence.

2396
01:07:48,100 --> 01:07:49,100
I just want everybody

2397
01:07:49,100 --> 01:07:50,100
to know that I think that

2398
01:07:50,100 --> 01:07:52,100
Chair Skoog did a masterful

2399
01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:54,100
job of taking a draft and

2400
01:07:54,100 --> 01:07:56,100
working it

2401
01:07:56,100 --> 01:07:59,100
to a almost final draft.

2402
01:08:01,100 --> 01:08:02,100
And the almost is that I

2403
01:08:02,100 --> 01:08:04,100
think the action requested

2404
01:08:04,100 --> 01:08:07,100
should be to approve the

2405
01:08:08,100 --> 01:08:10,100
attached policy subject

2406
01:08:10,100 --> 01:08:12,401
to minor revisions by

2407
01:08:13,100 --> 01:08:15,100
Chairman Skoog consistent

2408
01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:18,100
with the intent of the

2409
01:08:18,100 --> 01:08:21,100
document as it is now.

2410
01:08:21,100 --> 01:08:23,100
Because I, you know,

2411
01:08:23,100 --> 01:08:25,100
I think that in particular we

2412
01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:27,100
should ask this commission,

2413
01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:29,100
you on our behalf,

2414
01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:31,100
to really go through the fine

2415
01:08:31,100 --> 01:08:33,100
tooth comb and make sure that

2416
01:08:33,100 --> 01:08:35,100
the language does reflect

2417
01:08:35,100 --> 01:08:36,100
what we want because we did

2418
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:37,100
discover in the presentation

2419
01:08:37,100 --> 01:08:40,100
that there was some language

2420
01:08:40,100 --> 01:08:42,100
which was incorrect.

2421
01:08:43,100 --> 01:08:44,100
So I think just one last,

2422
01:08:44,100 --> 01:08:46,100
you know, review by you.

2423
01:08:46,100 --> 01:08:48,100
And so I, you know, agree

2424
01:08:48,100 --> 01:08:49,100
with Commissioner Ginsberg,

2425
01:08:49,100 --> 01:08:50,100
you know,

2426
01:08:50,100 --> 01:08:52,100
that we should approve this,

2427
01:08:52,100 --> 01:08:53,100
but with that slight,

2428
01:08:53,100 --> 01:08:55,100
slight addition.

2429
01:08:55,100 --> 01:08:57,100
But if that's work I'm

2430
01:08:57,100 --> 01:08:58,100
proposing that you do so,

2431
01:08:58,100 --> 01:09:00,100
I want

2432
01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:02,100
to be sure that's okay

2433
01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:03,100
by you.

2434
01:09:03,100 --> 01:09:04,100
Sure.

2435
01:09:04,100 --> 01:09:05,100
Thank you for that, Chair

2436
01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:06,100
Lawrence.

2437
01:09:06,100 --> 01:09:07,100
I'd be happy to do that.

2438
01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:08,100
I will tell you that Evan and

2439
01:09:08,100 --> 01:09:09,100
I had kind of a sidebar here

2440
01:09:09,100 --> 01:09:10,100
while the rest

2441
01:09:10,100 --> 01:09:11,100
of the presentation was going

2442
01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:12,100
on after the two concerns

2443
01:09:12,100 --> 01:09:14,100
from you as well as Chair

2444
01:09:14,100 --> 01:09:15,100
Ginsburg.

2445
01:09:15,100 --> 01:09:17,100
Both of those are reflected

2446
01:09:17,100 --> 01:09:18,100
correctly within the policy

2447
01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:19,100
that's been redrafted.

2448
01:09:19,100 --> 01:09:21,100
Both have the language as you

2449
01:09:21,100 --> 01:09:23,100
stated you wanted it to be

2450
01:09:23,100 --> 01:09:26,100
and that you had requested.

2451
01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:27,100
It was not correct on the

2452
01:09:27,100 --> 01:09:29,100
presentation here today.

2453
01:09:29,100 --> 01:09:30,100
And I don't mean

2454
01:09:30,100 --> 01:09:32,100
to poke anyone with that,

2455
01:09:32,100 --> 01:09:33,100
but it is correct

2456
01:09:33,100 --> 01:09:34,100
in the document that we have

2457
01:09:34,100 --> 01:09:36,100
in front of us.

2458
01:09:36,100 --> 01:09:37,100
But there may be a couple

2459
01:09:37,100 --> 01:09:38,100
other minor things that we

2460
01:09:38,100 --> 01:09:39,100
need to just fly spec between

2461
01:09:39,100 --> 01:09:40,100
now and the full commission

2462
01:09:40,100 --> 01:09:42,100
meeting in a couple weeks.

2463
01:09:42,100 --> 01:09:43,100
Be happy to take that on.

2464
01:09:43,100 --> 01:09:45,100
Evan has been very helpful.

2465
01:09:45,100 --> 01:09:47,100
Andrew, you have too, and

2466
01:09:47,100 --> 01:09:49,100
Nick, you as well.

2467
01:09:49,100 --> 01:09:50,100
And, Chair, I just should

2468
01:09:50,100 --> 01:09:51,100
say, you know,

2469
01:09:51,100 --> 01:09:52,100
compliment you again on the

2470
01:09:52,100 --> 01:09:54,100
way you've handled this

2471
01:09:54,100 --> 01:09:55,100
process.

2472
01:09:55,100 --> 01:09:57,100
And so I'm not suggesting

2473
01:09:57,100 --> 01:09:59,100
that there be any substantive

2474
01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:00,100
change, just, you know,

2475
01:10:00,100 --> 01:10:02,100
for good form.

2476
01:10:02,100 --> 01:10:03,100
You know, having one last

2477
01:10:03,100 --> 01:10:05,100
look through.

2478
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:06,100
Thank you.

2479
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:07,100
Happy to do it.

2480
01:10:07,100 --> 01:10:08,100
Other questions

2481
01:10:08,100 --> 01:10:10,100
from commissioners?

2482
01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:15,100
Commissioner Crimmins.

2483
01:10:15,100 --> 01:10:16,100
Again, thank you, Mr.

2484
01:10:16,100 --> 01:10:17,100
Chair.

2485
01:10:17,100 --> 01:10:18,100
Again, I don't have a

2486
01:10:18,100 --> 01:10:20,100
question, it's a comment.

2487
01:10:20,100 --> 01:10:21,100
I know I raised the question

2488
01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:22,100
once before

2489
01:10:22,100 --> 01:10:23,100
about the definition

2490
01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:25,100
of a temporary employee.

2491
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:26,100
Is that in the definition,

2492
01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:28,100
is in the new document?

2493
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:30,100
Commissioner Crimmins, Chair

2494
01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:34,100
Skoog, there is actually an

2495
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:35,100
HR policy that that

2496
01:10:35,100 --> 01:10:37,100
definition lives in that

2497
01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:39,100
defines a temporary employee.

2498
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:42,100
And I hesitate to speak off

2499
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:44,100
the head as far as how long

2500
01:10:44,100 --> 01:10:46,100
someone is with MAC in which

2501
01:10:46,100 --> 01:10:48,100
time they're considered a

2502
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:50,100
temporary employee.

2503
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:52,100
But I know in the course

2504
01:10:52,100 --> 01:10:53,100
of your questions, we did

2505
01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:55,100
look up that policy and send

2506
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:57,100
that your way.

2507
01:10:57,100 --> 01:10:58,100
Okay, thank you.

2508
01:10:58,100 --> 01:10:59,100
Because you did send me a

2509
01:10:59,100 --> 01:11:01,100
response, saying a temporary

2510
01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:02,100
employee is no more than six

2511
01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:04,100
months at the MAC.

2512
01:11:04,100 --> 01:11:05,100
So I just wanted to make sure

2513
01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:07,100
that's firm as we go

2514
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:09,100
through this.

2515
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:10,100
Correct, Commissioner

2516
01:11:10,100 --> 01:11:11,100
Crimmins.

2517
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:13,100
And although the term is used

2518
01:11:13,100 --> 01:11:15,100
within this policy,

2519
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:17,100
it's defined

2520
01:11:17,100 --> 01:11:18,100
within the HR policies.

2521
01:11:18,100 --> 01:11:20,100
Thank you.

2522
01:11:21,100 --> 01:11:23,100
Commissioner Hoard.

2523
01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:26,401
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2524
01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:28,100
Just a follow-up on

2525
01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:30,100
Commissioner Crimmins.

2526
01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:32,100
So are we saying that anyone

2527
01:11:32,100 --> 01:11:34,100
that's been with MAC over six

2528
01:11:34,100 --> 01:11:37,100
months should be considered a

2529
01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:39,100
full-time employee and not

2530
01:11:39,100 --> 01:11:41,100
part-time?

2531
01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:45,100
Commissioner Hoard, Chair

2532
01:11:45,100 --> 01:11:46,100
Skoog, I would defer to

2533
01:11:46,100 --> 01:11:48,100
Cathy.

2534
01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:49,100
You know, there's a couple of

2535
01:11:49,100 --> 01:11:51,100
different terms that we're

2536
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:52,100
talking about here.

2537
01:11:52,100 --> 01:11:54,100
A temporary employee could be

2538
01:11:54,100 --> 01:11:56,100
full-time or part-time.

2539
01:11:57,100 --> 01:11:59,100
A non-temporary employee

2540
01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:00,100
could also be full-time or

2541
01:12:00,100 --> 01:12:01,100
part-time.

2542
01:12:01,100 --> 01:12:03,100
Of course, Cathy, correct me

2543
01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:05,401
if I've spoken correctly.

2544
01:12:06,100 --> 01:12:08,100
Just looking at the policy,

2545
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:09,100
there's temporary employees.

2546
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:10,100
There's also provisional

2547
01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:11,100
employees.

2548
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:12,100
So if you look at the whole

2549
01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:13,100
policy, I don't know if they

2550
01:12:13,100 --> 01:12:14,100
were all given it,

2551
01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:15,100
but there's a whole section

2552
01:12:15,100 --> 01:12:17,100
on temporary status.

2553
01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:18,100
And sometimes we do have

2554
01:12:18,100 --> 01:12:19,100
temps that last longer, and

2555
01:12:19,100 --> 01:12:20,100
then different things happen

2556
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:21,100
with their benefits

2557
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:22,100
after six months.

2558
01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:23,100
So it's not true to say

2559
01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:24,100
they're only six months.

2560
01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:26,100
Thank you

2561
01:12:27,100 --> 01:12:29,100
for your question,

2562
01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:33,100
Commissioner Hoard.

2563
01:12:33,100 --> 01:12:34,100
Commissioner Crimmins, does

2564
01:12:34,100 --> 01:12:36,100
that...

2565
01:12:36,100 --> 01:12:37,100
Well, it just leaves it very

2566
01:12:37,100 --> 01:12:38,100
vague.

2567
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:40,100
Yeah.

2568
01:12:40,100 --> 01:12:41,100
If it can be longer,

2569
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:42,100
who's going

2570
01:12:42,100 --> 01:12:43,100
to decide if it's longer,

2571
01:12:43,100 --> 01:12:45,100
if it's going to be 20 years?

2572
01:12:45,100 --> 01:12:47,100
It should be firm.

2573
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:49,100
It's this or it's that.

2574
01:12:49,100 --> 01:12:50,100
Commissioner Crimmins, Chair

2575
01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:51,100
Skoog, if I might, you know,

2576
01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:53,100
to focus the question

2577
01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:55,100
on the import

2578
01:12:55,100 --> 01:12:56,100
of this policy, the way

2579
01:12:56,100 --> 01:12:58,100
in which this comes

2580
01:12:58,100 --> 01:13:00,100
into play, is whether or not

2581
01:13:00,100 --> 01:13:02,100
within the context of a

2582
01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:03,100
budget review or as requested

2583
01:13:03,100 --> 01:13:05,100
by a department, if they go

2584
01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:07,100
to HR and they ask them

2585
01:13:07,100 --> 01:13:09,401
for an analysis, say,

2586
01:13:10,100 --> 01:13:11,100
we're planning on hiring

2587
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:13,100
consultants or we have hired

2588
01:13:13,100 --> 01:13:14,100
consultants for many,

2589
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:16,100
many years in this area,

2590
01:13:16,100 --> 01:13:17,100
would you be willing

2591
01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:18,100
to do a review?

2592
01:13:18,100 --> 01:13:19,100
And then decide whether or

2593
01:13:19,100 --> 01:13:20,100
not we want

2594
01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:22,100
to request an FTE, a

2595
01:13:22,100 --> 01:13:23,100
temporary employee or a

2596
01:13:23,100 --> 01:13:24,100
provisional employee.

2597
01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:26,100
At that point in time,

2598
01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:27,100
if staff decides to go

2599
01:13:27,100 --> 01:13:28,100
down that route,

2600
01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:29,100
there's a whole other set

2601
01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:31,100
of policies

2602
01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:32,100
under HR's domain dealing

2603
01:13:32,100 --> 01:13:34,100
with employees, which have

2604
01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:35,100
that very well vetted and

2605
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:36,100
laid out.

2606
01:13:36,100 --> 01:13:38,100
For the purposes

2607
01:13:38,100 --> 01:13:39,100
of this policy,

2608
01:13:39,100 --> 01:13:41,100
which again governs

2609
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:42,100
consultant services, that's

2610
01:13:42,100 --> 01:13:43,100
really the only interaction

2611
01:13:43,100 --> 01:13:44,100
is that it's an exit ramp

2612
01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:46,100
over to HR

2613
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:48,100
from that point.

2614
01:13:49,100 --> 01:13:50,100
Question for you,

2615
01:13:50,100 --> 01:13:52,100
Commissioner Crimmins.

2616
01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:53,100
Would it be helpful if you

2617
01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:54,100
and I and Kathy got together

2618
01:13:54,100 --> 01:13:55,100
and looked at that policy to

2619
01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:56,100
understand what temporary

2620
01:13:56,100 --> 01:13:58,100
looks like,

2621
01:14:00,100 --> 01:14:01,100
what full-time part-time look

2622
01:14:01,100 --> 01:14:03,100
like within that,

2623
01:14:03,100 --> 01:14:04,100
so that policy spells it out

2624
01:14:04,100 --> 01:14:05,100
and maybe that's where the

2625
01:14:05,100 --> 01:14:07,100
answer comes,

2626
01:14:07,100 --> 01:14:08,100
through that policy,

2627
01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:09,100
not this. I would agree

2628
01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:12,100
to that. Okay. Let's handle

2629
01:14:12,100 --> 01:14:13,100
it that way, Kathy. If we can

2630
01:14:13,100 --> 01:14:14,100
set something up with

2631
01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:15,100
Commissioner Crimmins and

2632
01:14:15,100 --> 01:14:16,100
myself and Chair Lawrence,

2633
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:17,100
maybe. No, no. I want you

2634
01:14:17,100 --> 01:14:20,100
to do all the work. Put

2635
01:14:20,100 --> 01:14:22,100
someone around Carl too.

2636
01:14:22,100 --> 01:14:24,100
Within that consideration,

2637
01:14:25,100 --> 01:14:27,100
I think in terms

2638
01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:29,100
of large numbers of people,

2639
01:14:29,100 --> 01:14:32,100
Eduardo has a number of

2640
01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:35,100
people who are not permanent

2641
01:14:35,100 --> 01:14:37,100
employees and it would be

2642
01:14:37,100 --> 01:14:39,100
useful to understand how he

2643
01:14:39,100 --> 01:14:40,100
got them and how long it is

2644
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:42,100
and why. I guess it's

2645
01:14:42,100 --> 01:14:44,100
specialized skills,

2646
01:14:44,100 --> 01:14:45,100
but I don't know. So I think

2647
01:14:45,100 --> 01:14:47,100
that might be. And I know

2648
01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:48,100
in the case of Commissioner

2649
01:14:48,100 --> 01:14:50,100
Hoard, she has

2650
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:51,100
at least one person

2651
01:14:51,100 --> 01:14:53,100
in mind relative

2652
01:14:53,100 --> 01:14:54,100
to that and you might want

2653
01:14:54,100 --> 01:14:56,100
to just ask her. Okay. Thank

2654
01:14:56,100 --> 01:14:57,100
you for that. We will get

2655
01:14:57,100 --> 01:14:59,100
that together with Kathy and

2656
01:14:59,100 --> 01:15:01,100
Carl and myself. Get some

2657
01:15:01,100 --> 01:15:03,100
answers there. Questions

2658
01:15:03,100 --> 01:15:05,100
from commissioners? Seeing

2659
01:15:05,100 --> 01:15:07,100
none,

2660
01:15:07,100 --> 01:15:08,100
I think we have an action

2661
01:15:08,100 --> 01:15:10,100
in front of us. We had a

2662
01:15:10,100 --> 01:15:12,100
slight modification from

2663
01:15:12,100 --> 01:15:14,100
Chair Lawrence, which I will

2664
01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:16,100
take. So with the action

2665
01:15:16,100 --> 01:15:18,401
in front of us,

2666
01:15:19,100 --> 01:15:21,100
do we have a motion? So

2667
01:15:21,100 --> 01:15:23,100
moved. So moved from

2668
01:15:23,100 --> 01:15:25,100
Commissioner Ginsberg.

2669
01:15:26,100 --> 01:15:27,100
Seconded from Chair

2670
01:15:27,100 --> 01:15:29,100
Lawrence. All those

2671
01:15:29,100 --> 01:15:31,100
in favor signify

2672
01:15:31,100 --> 01:15:34,100
by saying aye. Aye. Any

2673
01:15:34,100 --> 01:15:36,100
opposed? Motion carries.

2674
01:15:37,100 --> 01:15:40,601
Thank you for that. It's been

2675
01:15:41,100 --> 01:15:42,100
a heavy lift on 3.5.

2676
01:15:42,100 --> 01:15:43,100
With that,

2677
01:15:43,100 --> 01:15:44,100
do we have any information

2678
01:15:44,100 --> 01:15:47,100
to come before this group?

2679
01:15:47,100 --> 01:15:48,100
And say thanks, guys. Thank

2680
01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:51,100
you very much. Thank you.

2681
01:15:52,100 --> 01:15:53,100
Item number four,

2682
01:15:53,100 --> 01:15:55,100
information, anything?

2683
01:15:55,100 --> 01:15:57,100
Seeing none. I have no

2684
01:15:57,100 --> 01:15:58,100
announcements. And

2685
01:15:58,100 --> 01:15:59,100
with that,

2686
01:15:59,100 --> 01:16:02,100
we will close the OFNA

2687
01:16:02,100 --> 01:16:04,100
August 3rd meeting. Thank you

2688
01:16:04,100 --> 01:16:05,100
very much for being here.

2689
01:16:05,100 --> 01:16:07,100
Meeting is adjourned.