1 00:00:31,169 --> 00:00:34,769 3Play Media Captioner Present Planning development 2 00:04:16,417 --> 00:04:18,857 environmental Committee meeting planning development 3 00:04:18,857 --> 00:04:20,853 and environmental Committee to order. 4 00:04:20,853 --> 00:04:21,805 Open forum. 5 00:04:21,805 --> 00:04:23,957 I don't have any cards but if there 6 00:04:23,957 --> 00:04:25,505 is somebody who would like to comment 7 00:04:25,505 --> 00:04:28,350 please come to the podium and then we 8 00:04:28,350 --> 00:04:31,117 will have you fill something out. 9 00:04:31,117 --> 00:04:32,257 Not seeing any. 10 00:04:32,257 --> 00:04:34,797 There is no introductions come up public presentations 11 00:04:34,797 --> 00:04:36,367 come up public hearings. 12 00:04:36,367 --> 00:04:39,367 Open forum is officially closed. 13 00:04:39,403 --> 00:04:40,457 Consent. 14 00:04:40,457 --> 00:04:44,289 You have the consent in front of you. 15 00:04:44,289 --> 00:04:44,905 Reports. 16 00:04:44,905 --> 00:04:47,305 It is received request. 17 00:04:51,257 --> 00:04:55,457 I am sorry an purchase order approvals. 18 00:04:55,647 --> 00:04:58,737 Does anybody have any questions on any of these 19 00:04:58,737 --> 00:05:01,873 that they would like to be Brought down? 20 00:05:01,873 --> 00:05:04,273 If not roll call. 21 00:05:07,497 --> 00:05:09,897 Thank you thank you. 22 00:05:10,963 --> 00:05:14,563 Moved in Second all in favor? 23 00:05:15,225 --> 00:05:16,970 I. Passed. 24 00:05:16,970 --> 00:05:20,217 We are going to run into business. 25 00:05:20,217 --> 00:05:21,923 We've got a big agenda today. 26 00:05:21,923 --> 00:05:24,857 We are going to take these individually. 27 00:05:24,857 --> 00:05:27,729 You may want to have do you want a seat? 28 00:05:27,729 --> 00:05:31,984 Since you are going to be up there for a while? 29 00:05:31,984 --> 00:05:33,530 Thank you chair. 30 00:05:33,530 --> 00:05:35,229 The good news is I get to sit down 31 00:05:35,229 --> 00:05:37,217 and come back up a couple of times. 32 00:05:37,217 --> 00:05:45,617 >> What we are going to do is as I said we will start with 3.1 33 00:06:34,241 --> 00:06:35,866 capital Improvement program adjustment. 34 00:06:35,866 --> 00:06:35,873 Shorter than the person that was here 35 00:06:35,873 --> 00:06:35,884 last time I'm a little bit shorter than the person that 36 00:06:35,884 --> 00:06:35,888 was here last time. 37 00:06:35,888 --> 00:06:35,891 Good morning everyone. 38 00:06:35,891 --> 00:06:35,901 I hope you all had a good long holiday weekend. 39 00:06:35,901 --> 00:06:35,911 I'm Ashley Vlasic I'm a senior project manager with Airport 40 00:06:35,911 --> 00:06:35,912 Development. 41 00:06:35,912 --> 00:06:35,922 I am here today to talk to capital improvement program 42 00:06:35,922 --> 00:06:35,930 adjustment for the 2026 34th Avenue Sanitary Sewer 43 00:06:35,930 --> 00:06:35,931 Replacement. 44 00:06:35,931 --> 00:06:35,937 This project is currently in design. 45 00:06:35,937 --> 00:06:35,946 Replaces and installs new sanitary sewer line that runs 46 00:06:35,946 --> 00:06:35,957 through the parking lots off of 34th Avenue kind of next 47 00:06:35,957 --> 00:06:35,960 to terminal two. 48 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:35,969 You can see it in the red line here. 49 00:06:35,969 --> 00:06:35,978 During design the project found that the existing sewer 50 00:06:35,978 --> 00:06:35,987 would require some additional digging to repair the sewer. 51 00:06:35,987 --> 00:06:35,997 When we created the CIP originally we didn't know how 52 00:06:35,997 --> 00:06:36,110 deep the sewer was so now that we are in design they do this 53 00:06:36,110 --> 00:06:36,190 thing called Potholing where they check different parts 54 00:06:36,190 --> 00:06:36,290 of the sewer to really get the existing conditions verified 55 00:06:36,290 --> 00:06:36,390 and we found that it's deeper than we originally anticipated 56 00:06:36,390 --> 00:06:39,610 so we are requesting ahead of the bid an additional $1,500,000 57 00:06:39,610 --> 00:06:45,677 to be added to the CIP so the project can be left forbidding 58 00:06:45,677 --> 00:06:46,677 in October. 59 00:06:46,677 --> 00:06:49,487 The action requested today is recommended the full commission 60 00:06:49,487 --> 00:06:53,417 increase the CIP budget for the 2026 34th Avenue Sanitary Sewer 61 00:06:53,417 --> 00:06:56,417 Replacement project to $4,600,000 in authorized 62 00:06:56,767 --> 00:07:01,817 the Executive Director and CEO need to execute the necessary 63 00:07:01,817 --> 00:07:02,437 documents. 64 00:07:02,437 --> 00:07:03,577 Questions? 65 00:07:03,577 --> 00:07:05,577 >> Any questions? 66 00:07:35,789 --> 00:07:40,589 Can I get a motion and a second? 67 00:08:17,748 --> 00:08:18,748 Moved by Chair Lawrence. 68 00:08:18,748 --> 00:08:18,752 Second by Commissioner Beeson. 69 00:08:18,752 --> 00:08:18,757 All in favor say aye. 70 00:08:18,757 --> 00:08:18,761 All opposed motion passes? 71 00:08:18,761 --> 00:08:19,261 Thank you. 72 00:08:19,261 --> 00:08:22,261 >> Great still me still me. 73 00:08:38,926 --> 00:08:41,468 3.2 we have our project budget adjustment for the 2024 Safety 74 00:08:41,468 --> 00:08:41,477 and Security Center also called the SW phase two. 75 00:08:41,477 --> 00:08:41,484 The purpose of this project is really 76 00:08:41,484 --> 00:08:41,492 to build a consolidated effort for emergency operations 77 00:08:41,492 --> 00:08:41,499 here in MSP in a collaborative location. 78 00:08:41,499 --> 00:08:41,507 We are combining our police department fire department 79 00:08:41,507 --> 00:08:41,512 emergency operations and communications project. 80 00:08:41,512 --> 00:08:41,521 This project also is pursuing Leed certification which aligns 81 00:08:41,521 --> 00:08:41,525 with Max sustainability goals. 82 00:08:41,525 --> 00:08:41,534 If you remember the first phase of the project 83 00:08:41,534 --> 00:08:41,538 was the fire station. 84 00:08:41,538 --> 00:08:41,544 The new fire station has finished 85 00:08:41,544 --> 00:08:41,552 construction in the firefighters are using it now. 86 00:08:41,552 --> 00:08:41,561 And then out phase two is the big building. 87 00:08:41,561 --> 00:08:41,566 Safety and Security center portion 88 00:08:41,566 --> 00:08:41,571 attached to the fire station. 89 00:08:41,571 --> 00:08:41,578 The original CIP is 165 million period 90 00:08:41,578 --> 00:08:41,585 the project budget is currently $113 million. 91 00:08:41,585 --> 00:08:41,592 Since the project has progressed additional work 92 00:08:41,592 --> 00:08:41,600 has been identified that wasn't included that we 93 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:41,606 didn't know about at the time. 94 00:08:41,606 --> 00:08:41,611 Final f a height restrictions. 95 00:08:41,611 --> 00:08:41,622 This is a submission that we put forward to the FAA 96 00:08:41,622 --> 00:08:41,626 for final height approval. 97 00:08:41,626 --> 00:08:41,638 We had to do some adjustments after we bid the project which 98 00:08:41,638 --> 00:08:41,645 required some schedule extensions and some changes 99 00:08:41,645 --> 00:08:41,649 to our third floor. 100 00:08:41,649 --> 00:08:41,656 This is really just because the building 101 00:08:41,656 --> 00:08:41,666 is very close to the tower so it was something 102 00:08:41,666 --> 00:08:42,217 we didn't know during design. 103 00:08:42,217 --> 00:08:44,417 We also found additional contaminated soils 104 00:08:44,417 --> 00:08:47,777 which will cause us to have to remove additional soils that we 105 00:08:47,777 --> 00:08:48,977 weren't anticipating. 106 00:08:48,977 --> 00:08:50,927 We've also seen additional waterproofing 107 00:08:50,927 --> 00:08:54,193 needed for the building based on the condition of these soils. 108 00:08:54,193 --> 00:08:55,917 That added some additional funding 109 00:08:55,917 --> 00:08:57,337 and scheduled to the project. 110 00:08:57,337 --> 00:09:01,217 We've also seen because of the soils increased generator 111 00:09:01,217 --> 00:09:03,817 concrete pad requirements and some electrical gear 112 00:09:03,817 --> 00:09:05,843 modifications to the project as well. 113 00:09:05,843 --> 00:09:09,274 This project is over a period of many years. 114 00:09:09,274 --> 00:09:12,100 The IT infrastructure was also added to the project 115 00:09:12,100 --> 00:09:15,177 to support the ongoing changes in technology 116 00:09:15,177 --> 00:09:16,881 for the emergency operations staff. 117 00:09:16,881 --> 00:09:20,617 We've added that to stay current with what was originally 118 00:09:20,617 --> 00:09:24,347 bid as the technology for their work is increasing every day. 119 00:09:24,347 --> 00:09:27,177 We're asking every day to increase the budget 120 00:09:27,177 --> 00:09:30,457 by $4,500,000 which fits within the approved capital. 121 00:09:30,457 --> 00:09:33,857 So our action today is to recommend that the full 122 00:09:33,857 --> 00:09:36,467 commission increase the project budget for the 2024 Safety 123 00:09:36,467 --> 00:09:41,267 and Security Center phase to two 117,600,000 and authorized 124 00:09:42,167 --> 00:09:46,689 the Executive Director CEO as his need to execute 125 00:09:46,689 --> 00:09:47,917 the necessary documents. 126 00:09:47,917 --> 00:09:49,917 Questions? 127 00:09:50,817 --> 00:09:52,817 >> Commissioner Lawrence. 128 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:38,712 >> Thank you. 129 00:11:38,712 --> 00:11:40,373 I may have misheard this earlier but I 130 00:11:40,373 --> 00:11:42,331 think you said it was within the estimated CIP? 131 00:11:42,331 --> 00:11:44,731 >> That is correct Commissioner. 132 00:11:50,318 --> 00:11:54,510 >> I've often heard with these projects when there is 133 00:11:54,510 --> 00:11:54,610 an additional slice like this but actually the approval was 134 00:11:54,610 --> 00:11:54,720 for an amount which therefore the slice would not take it 135 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:54,730 over. 136 00:11:54,730 --> 00:11:54,850 Is this a slice which comes out of the original larger budget 137 00:11:54,850 --> 00:11:54,950 or is it as in the totality of the CIP 138 00:11:54,950 --> 00:11:55,178 that there is room for it? 139 00:11:55,178 --> 00:12:00,578 >> Great question period this does not increase the overall 140 00:12:24,633 --> 00:12:25,925 CIP or the CIP for the project. 141 00:12:25,925 --> 00:12:25,934 We are just moving money into the project budget. 142 00:12:25,934 --> 00:12:25,938 I have a question. 143 00:12:25,938 --> 00:12:25,949 On the f a the height issue was that because we 144 00:12:25,949 --> 00:12:25,957 needed to change something that the FAA said 145 00:12:25,957 --> 00:12:26,957 was not good on our end? 146 00:12:26,957 --> 00:12:31,157 >> Bridget I will leave that to you. 147 00:12:50,153 --> 00:12:52,153 >> Thank you Ashley. 148 00:12:52,282 --> 00:12:54,199 Mr. Chair and Commissioner so the relationship 149 00:12:54,199 --> 00:12:54,209 with this particular project and the FAA is quite complicated. 150 00:12:54,209 --> 00:12:54,215 The building does create some obstructions 151 00:12:54,215 --> 00:12:54,222 to some of the FAA radio network. 152 00:12:54,222 --> 00:12:54,233 We have had in our opinion resolved that before we even 153 00:12:54,233 --> 00:12:54,236 started the project. 154 00:12:54,236 --> 00:12:54,243 When we came back the final design 155 00:12:54,243 --> 00:12:54,254 a few changes had been made and we wanted to resubmit 156 00:12:54,254 --> 00:12:54,263 and then the FAA came back a second time 157 00:12:54,263 --> 00:12:54,273 and said oh wait actually what you did before actually 158 00:12:54,273 --> 00:12:54,277 didn't solve the problem. 159 00:12:54,277 --> 00:12:54,287 We are working with the FAA separate from this project 160 00:12:54,287 --> 00:12:54,292 to resolve those obstruction issues 161 00:12:54,292 --> 00:12:54,297 that this building will create. 162 00:12:54,297 --> 00:12:54,303 We modify the building in accommodation 163 00:12:54,303 --> 00:12:54,314 with our original plan and the original response from the FAA. 164 00:12:54,314 --> 00:12:54,322 Whether or not it ultimately degrades the signals 165 00:12:54,322 --> 00:12:54,330 more so than it did before is yet 166 00:12:54,330 --> 00:12:54,339 to be seen but we are working with them 167 00:12:54,339 --> 00:12:54,348 because we have quite honestly obstructions around the campus. 168 00:12:54,348 --> 00:12:54,355 We have development we want to do 169 00:12:54,355 --> 00:12:54,363 that will create other obstructions to the radio 170 00:12:54,363 --> 00:12:54,373 network and so we really need to solve it holistically 171 00:12:54,373 --> 00:12:54,381 rather than one project at a time period 172 00:12:54,381 --> 00:12:54,389 that is why it is separate from us. 173 00:12:54,389 --> 00:12:54,397 The changes that were made after the bid 174 00:12:54,397 --> 00:12:54,406 came directly from the FAA second review period something 175 00:12:54,406 --> 00:12:55,156 that we had to do. 176 00:12:55,156 --> 00:13:00,556 >> I appreciate the answer and I appreciate your good 177 00:14:17,576 --> 00:14:20,159 relationships with our partners at the FAA given the fact that 178 00:14:20,159 --> 00:14:20,172 this is going to be a bigger issue so thank you any other 179 00:14:20,172 --> 00:14:20,173 questions? 180 00:14:20,173 --> 00:14:20,183 I see none can I get a motion to approve? 181 00:14:20,183 --> 00:14:20,190 Move by Commissioner O'neill and Commissioner Howard. 182 00:14:20,190 --> 00:14:20,192 I'm sorry. 183 00:14:20,192 --> 00:14:20,201 All in favor say I. Pose motion passes.. 184 00:14:20,201 --> 00:14:20,210 We can move to the next order of business. 185 00:14:20,210 --> 00:14:22,418 3.3 and we will take all three of these individually. 186 00:14:22,418 --> 00:14:24,418 >> Good morning. 187 00:14:44,457 --> 00:14:50,457 My name is Chris Roy I work in airport development 188 00:15:06,215 --> 00:15:08,715 and I've got two items here in front of you the first one is 189 00:15:08,715 --> 00:15:08,722 going to be the recommendation to award 190 00:15:08,722 --> 00:15:08,727 mechanical electrical plumbing technology design 191 00:15:08,727 --> 00:15:08,733 continue and consult. Continue and consultants 192 00:15:08,733 --> 00:15:08,745 is a program that we use where we hire in this case 193 00:15:08,745 --> 00:15:08,759 a couple of firms to be able to draw upon them over the course 194 00:15:08,759 --> 00:15:08,764 of a five year period. 195 00:15:08,764 --> 00:15:08,774 Individual work item scope some work against the master contract 196 00:15:08,774 --> 00:15:08,779 that continue a consultant contract 197 00:15:08,779 --> 00:15:08,789 and what we do work on individual projects that way. 198 00:15:08,789 --> 00:15:08,801 By doing it like this we are able to have some consistency 199 00:15:08,801 --> 00:15:08,810 for a period of time with those consulting firms 200 00:15:08,810 --> 00:15:08,818 and they start to get to know us. 201 00:15:08,818 --> 00:15:08,824 They get to understand our requirements 202 00:15:08,824 --> 00:15:08,834 and I think overall it just produces a better project. 203 00:15:08,834 --> 00:15:08,843 So today we are going to make a recommendation 204 00:15:08,843 --> 00:15:08,852 to forward three firms into this mechanical electrical plumbing 205 00:15:08,852 --> 00:15:08,857 and technology continuum consultant contract. 206 00:15:08,857 --> 00:15:08,868 Those firms are Emek Mashhad and the last one is WSP. 207 00:15:08,868 --> 00:15:08,874 A little bit about the timeline. 208 00:15:08,874 --> 00:15:08,881 We came in front of the commission 209 00:15:08,881 --> 00:15:08,888 back in May looking for that ability 210 00:15:08,888 --> 00:15:08,900 to post those rfqs which we did do and back in June. 211 00:15:08,900 --> 00:15:08,909 The proposals were due at the end of June 212 00:15:08,909 --> 00:15:08,916 and then we went through a deliberation. 213 00:15:08,916 --> 00:15:08,921 We reviewed those technical proposals 214 00:15:08,921 --> 00:15:08,928 and then based on the technical proposals 215 00:15:08,928 --> 00:15:08,940 we did create a short list and we asked those shortlisted firms 216 00:15:08,940 --> 00:15:08,949 to come on in for an interview in August. 217 00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:08,960 Based on the interview and the technical score in the proposals 218 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:08,968 we have advanced those three names for recommendation 219 00:15:08,968 --> 00:15:08,970 for approval. 220 00:15:08,970 --> 00:15:08,980 The review team is made up of the individuals here. 221 00:15:08,980 --> 00:15:08,991 I would really like to thank the individuals that did volunteer 222 00:15:08,991 --> 00:15:08,997 to be on the selection committee. 223 00:15:08,997 --> 00:15:09,900 It takes quite a bit of time to go through those proposals. 224 00:15:09,900 --> 00:15:09,210 A lot of times you are busy with other things at work 225 00:15:09,210 --> 00:15:09,290 so it happens outside of normal work hours 226 00:15:09,290 --> 00:15:09,350 when we are doing that review. 227 00:15:09,350 --> 00:15:09,420 I really appreciate their efforts and ability 228 00:15:09,420 --> 00:15:09,480 to be on the selection committee. 229 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:09,580 So with this particular RFQ we did receive eight proposals. 230 00:15:09,580 --> 00:15:09,660 Those firms were both national and local firms. 231 00:15:09,660 --> 00:15:09,760 Most of the national firms also have a local office 232 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:09,870 but based on the proposals we were able to shortlist down 233 00:15:09,870 --> 00:15:09,900 to three firms. 234 00:15:09,900 --> 00:15:09,960 The three firms that we shortlisted 235 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:09,518 were just kind of standing out from the rest of the bunch. 236 00:15:09,518 --> 00:15:11,935 They had some familiarity with working at airports working 237 00:15:11,935 --> 00:15:13,523 at 24 over seven operations. 238 00:15:13,523 --> 00:15:15,672 They also had a much larger presence 239 00:15:15,672 --> 00:15:17,277 so they were able to get to the MSP 240 00:15:17,277 --> 00:15:21,492 very quickly if we ever needed that situation where it would be 241 00:15:21,492 --> 00:15:24,737 a fair meeting an onsite meeting or maybe we had an emergency 242 00:15:24,737 --> 00:15:26,250 response that we needed. 243 00:15:26,250 --> 00:15:28,981 These three firms had that local presence 244 00:15:28,981 --> 00:15:31,177 that we really felt quite important 245 00:15:31,177 --> 00:15:35,337 and we went to the interview there. 246 00:15:35,337 --> 00:15:41,657 Based on the interview we saw that those three teams all 247 00:15:41,657 --> 00:15:44,617 of them had specialty characteristics that really 248 00:15:44,617 --> 00:15:47,943 would serve the very well so therefore we took all three 249 00:15:47,943 --> 00:15:50,117 of them and are advancing them forward and making 250 00:15:50,117 --> 00:15:53,434 this recommendation to the full commission to select I 251 00:15:53,434 --> 00:15:56,300 MiG S E and WSP as our continuing consultants 252 00:15:56,300 --> 00:15:58,903 to provide mechanical electrical plumbing and technology 253 00:15:58,903 --> 00:16:02,652 engineering consulting services for a term of up to five years. 254 00:16:02,652 --> 00:16:05,270 The second requested action is to authorize 255 00:16:05,270 --> 00:16:08,201 the second Executive director CEO to execute 256 00:16:08,201 --> 00:16:09,557 the necessary documents. 257 00:16:09,557 --> 00:16:12,277 With that if there are any questions 258 00:16:12,277 --> 00:16:15,277 I am certainly happy to. 259 00:19:16,243 --> 00:19:18,326 >> First you showed a couple of pictures of stuff. 260 00:19:18,326 --> 00:19:18,332 These guys don't do this stuff? 261 00:19:18,332 --> 00:19:18,345 They advise how much it is going to cost to do this stuff 262 00:19:18,345 --> 00:19:18,353 and they advise when something has gone wrong 263 00:19:18,353 --> 00:19:20,436 when opposed to the person originally put into it? 264 00:19:20,436 --> 00:19:22,836 Is that the role? 265 00:19:40,779 --> 00:19:41,362 >> Absolutely. 266 00:19:41,362 --> 00:19:41,370 The purpose of this contract is to do 267 00:19:41,370 --> 00:19:41,378 the design of the stuff in the pictures 268 00:19:41,378 --> 00:19:41,386 and then they also do some contract administration 269 00:19:41,386 --> 00:19:41,399 so they do the inspection for us to make sure that the contractor 270 00:19:41,399 --> 00:19:41,408 separate contract is installing it correctly and doing it 271 00:19:41,408 --> 00:19:41,418 as per the plans and specs that these firms would 272 00:19:41,418 --> 00:19:42,430 have developed. 273 00:19:42,430 --> 00:19:49,243 >> As you heard earlier they would help us out of cost put 274 00:20:04,850 --> 00:20:06,627 a little slack in but put the slack in and then it is in fact 275 00:20:06,627 --> 00:20:06,631 the slack gets used. 276 00:20:06,631 --> 00:20:08,506 We get told like we just did that it is still 277 00:20:08,506 --> 00:20:10,906 within that first circle 278 00:20:33,909 --> 00:20:34,576 >> Commissioner. 279 00:20:34,576 --> 00:20:34,577 Yes. 280 00:20:34,577 --> 00:20:34,587 What these firms will do is put together construction estimate 281 00:20:34,587 --> 00:20:34,598 period they are using their best ability to put that cost 282 00:20:34,598 --> 00:20:34,603 together the actual cost to. 283 00:20:34,603 --> 00:20:34,611 Knowing that there is differences in market conditions 284 00:20:34,611 --> 00:20:34,616 and bidding day environment tariffs 285 00:20:34,616 --> 00:20:34,624 or whatever else might be going on most 286 00:20:34,624 --> 00:20:34,634 of the time in that estimate there is some contingency. 287 00:20:34,634 --> 00:20:34,641 We use that as our engineer's estimate 288 00:20:34,641 --> 00:20:37,224 to compare against the bids that we receive when we open bids. 289 00:20:37,224 --> 00:20:45,240 >> The bids are familiar within the rules of the state for so it 290 00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:06,682 is outside of those rules? 291 00:21:06,682 --> 00:21:06,694 The second and you don't have to do that for these today 292 00:21:06,694 --> 00:21:06,703 but I will just say in general we looked 293 00:21:06,703 --> 00:21:06,712 at local and national firms and three of them 294 00:21:06,712 --> 00:21:06,718 are clearly better than anybody else. 295 00:21:06,718 --> 00:21:06,726 It would be useful to not just say 296 00:21:06,726 --> 00:21:06,736 and therefore since we haven't done all of the things 297 00:21:06,736 --> 00:21:06,743 you guys should prove I am e.g. 298 00:21:06,743 --> 00:21:06,745 And CEWSP. 299 00:21:06,745 --> 00:21:06,758 It would be helpful to know are they local or are they national? 300 00:21:06,758 --> 00:21:06,767 If they are national do they have local branches? 301 00:21:06,767 --> 00:21:06,777 Whether they are local or national and people are there. 302 00:21:06,777 --> 00:21:06,786 What made them so much better than anybody else? 303 00:21:06,786 --> 00:21:06,790 If you other things. 304 00:21:06,790 --> 00:21:06,800 I know more than you have done a terrific job 305 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:06,808 until you got to the point of telling 306 00:21:06,808 --> 00:21:06,814 we should vote on I MEGWSP. 307 00:21:06,814 --> 00:21:06,827 Not for this let me just check with p G and e committee. 308 00:21:06,827 --> 00:21:07,869 Think that's a good idea? 309 00:21:07,869 --> 00:21:12,669 >> I'm going to turn it over to Bridget. 310 00:22:35,283 --> 00:22:36,866 I think we've got this solved already. 311 00:22:36,866 --> 00:22:40,835 >> In your packets you have a not memo which will provide some 312 00:22:40,835 --> 00:22:42,710 of that information that you are looking for. 313 00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:42,723 It is our way of sharing a little bit more of the behind 314 00:22:42,723 --> 00:22:42,732 the scenes information with you that we wouldn't generally 315 00:22:42,732 --> 00:22:42,739 talk about in front of the public 316 00:22:42,739 --> 00:22:42,748 unless you ask us a specific question about it 317 00:22:42,748 --> 00:22:42,759 you are free to do that but just make it aware 318 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:45,176 that you are provided some of that additional information. 319 00:22:45,176 --> 00:22:52,376 >> If I could add put two chair Lawrence's comments I would also 320 00:23:06,875 --> 00:23:09,333 like the public to know the number of things that the chair 321 00:23:09,333 --> 00:23:12,410 brought up I think even if it is in a not memo it would be a good 322 00:23:12,410 --> 00:23:17,441 idea for us to know who these folks are. 323 00:23:28,511 --> 00:23:30,928 >> First of all I apologize I did not read it sufficiently 324 00:23:30,928 --> 00:23:30,938 thoroughly to know that some my question was already addressed 325 00:23:30,938 --> 00:23:30,951 but also I agree some of this should be made public but I 326 00:23:30,951 --> 00:23:30,958 would feel confident in management to make 327 00:23:30,958 --> 00:23:30,966 the distinction of what might be competitive disadvantage 328 00:23:30,966 --> 00:23:30,976 for other firms as opposed to simply saying here are 329 00:23:30,976 --> 00:23:32,268 the answers of these questions. 330 00:23:32,268 --> 00:23:39,468 >> The last time I looked you our management so we will take 331 00:24:06,106 --> 00:24:08,106 that under advisement 332 00:24:10,550 --> 00:24:12,138 >> Just to clear up some confusion Chair Lawrence. 333 00:24:12,138 --> 00:24:12,151 The reasons as to why there is a selection process under the data 334 00:24:12,151 --> 00:24:12,158 practices that is still not public data. 335 00:24:12,158 --> 00:24:12,164 Once the selection and the contract 336 00:24:12,164 --> 00:24:12,170 gets signed within the parties then 337 00:24:12,170 --> 00:24:12,178 that data will become available to anybody that 338 00:24:12,178 --> 00:24:12,189 asks for it from the public but because it is still 339 00:24:12,189 --> 00:24:12,197 right now not public data it is provided 340 00:24:12,197 --> 00:24:12,207 in the public packets of that nature it comes separately. 341 00:24:12,207 --> 00:24:12,219 If there is something you want to talk about on the memo 342 00:24:12,219 --> 00:24:12,227 you have the ability to talk about that 343 00:24:12,227 --> 00:24:12,235 in that fashion at the public meeting here 344 00:24:12,235 --> 00:24:14,527 but it will become public after everything gets signed. 345 00:24:14,527 --> 00:24:16,527 >> Thank you. 346 00:24:33,805 --> 00:24:35,805 That is useful. 347 00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:55,378 Not to excuse myself but having been on some other boards 348 00:24:55,378 --> 00:24:55,387 when you get this many board papers is often 349 00:24:55,387 --> 00:24:55,395 the case that not line by line you 350 00:24:55,395 --> 00:24:55,404 will ask the question which has already been answered. 351 00:24:55,404 --> 00:24:55,410 Again nothing suggesting this is happening 352 00:24:55,410 --> 00:24:55,422 here or in particular this one but again I have seen instances 353 00:24:55,422 --> 00:24:55,428 where management would rather the board 354 00:24:55,428 --> 00:24:55,437 not see certain details and so it is often 355 00:24:55,437 --> 00:24:55,445 helpful to have an executive summary which says 356 00:24:55,445 --> 00:24:55,452 here are some of the important things 357 00:24:55,452 --> 00:24:55,464 that you will be sure to want to read the whole thing. 358 00:24:55,464 --> 00:24:56,714 Just a thought for management. 359 00:24:56,714 --> 00:25:01,514 >> I have one more suggestion if we could. 360 00:25:49,368 --> 00:25:51,118 The group that reviewed this it's terrific 361 00:25:51,118 --> 00:25:51,129 but also there is a lot of expertise on the board. 362 00:25:51,129 --> 00:25:51,137 I would say Commissioner O'neill Commissioner school Commissioner 363 00:25:51,137 --> 00:25:51,146 Crimson in particular when it comes to these labor 364 00:25:51,146 --> 00:25:51,155 type of things and I know we are going 365 00:25:51,155 --> 00:25:51,168 to deal with a new policy in the future as far as consultants 366 00:25:51,168 --> 00:25:51,178 but I would hope that the staff in the future 367 00:25:51,178 --> 00:25:51,187 would reach out to these folks and allow them 368 00:25:51,187 --> 00:25:51,196 a right of first refusal to participate because I 369 00:25:51,196 --> 00:25:51,207 do think that it would be helpful to have a commission 370 00:25:51,207 --> 00:25:51,214 member be on these kind of things. 371 00:25:51,214 --> 00:25:51,220 I am all for the deal. 372 00:25:51,220 --> 00:25:52,387 Anything else anything else? 373 00:25:52,387 --> 00:25:59,587 >> If I May the 3rd firms that we selected are national firms 374 00:26:39,209 --> 00:26:41,834 but they have a local office and in fact WSP has partnered with 375 00:26:41,834 --> 00:26:41,846 another local firm to provide us with that team approach so there 376 00:26:41,846 --> 00:26:41,858 is a lot of local staff it will be nearly exclusively local 377 00:26:41,858 --> 00:26:41,863 staff working on our projects. 378 00:26:41,863 --> 00:26:43,696 On the other hand MSK or MCE is a local firm 379 00:26:43,696 --> 00:26:47,896 and they are headquartered out of Minneapolis. 380 00:27:13,817 --> 00:27:15,275 >> Any other questions or concerns? 381 00:27:15,275 --> 00:27:15,281 Somebody like to move the item? 382 00:27:15,281 --> 00:27:15,287 Move by Commissioner Hoard Commissioner Skoog. 383 00:27:15,287 --> 00:27:15,290 All in favor? 384 00:27:15,290 --> 00:27:15,292 All opposed? 385 00:27:15,292 --> 00:27:15,294 Motion passes. 386 00:27:15,294 --> 00:27:15,295 Thanks. 387 00:27:15,295 --> 00:27:16,878 We are going to move to the next item. 388 00:27:16,878 --> 00:27:22,878 >> Very similar but for a different purpose this time we 389 00:27:40,624 --> 00:27:42,457 are looking for the architectural continuing 390 00:27:42,457 --> 00:27:42,468 consultant so this would be the design services of our buildings 391 00:27:42,468 --> 00:27:42,477 and our facilities putting together those plans and specs. 392 00:27:42,477 --> 00:27:42,487 That is what we are looking for at the consultant 393 00:27:42,487 --> 00:27:42,491 services under this contract. 394 00:27:42,491 --> 00:27:42,499 In this case we would like to recommend 395 00:27:42,499 --> 00:27:42,506 the selection of the following three architects 396 00:27:42,506 --> 00:27:42,510 Alliance in Millard Dunwoody. 397 00:27:42,510 --> 00:27:42,522 We went with three firms this time because of the growing CIP 398 00:27:42,522 --> 00:27:42,528 we've got more projects than ever. 399 00:27:42,528 --> 00:27:42,537 The complexity of the projects is changing as well. 400 00:27:42,537 --> 00:27:42,542 We have got different requirements 401 00:27:42,542 --> 00:27:42,552 that are coming on board not only in the building 402 00:27:42,552 --> 00:27:42,558 codes but also just overall sustainability 403 00:27:42,558 --> 00:27:42,568 and being able to be more responsive to the requirements 404 00:27:42,568 --> 00:27:42,578 that are being placed on our buildings and our construction 405 00:27:42,578 --> 00:27:42,579 projects. 406 00:27:42,579 --> 00:27:42,588 A lot of our projects are also rehabilitation projects 407 00:27:42,588 --> 00:27:42,598 so they are not brand new projects they are instead 408 00:27:42,598 --> 00:27:42,605 going into a part of our terminal 409 00:27:42,605 --> 00:27:42,612 or another building they are repairing something 410 00:27:42,612 --> 00:27:42,615 they are remodeling. 411 00:27:42,615 --> 00:27:42,624 Require a little bit more time and more investigation 412 00:27:42,624 --> 00:27:42,629 and require some additional thought 413 00:27:42,629 --> 00:27:42,641 about how can you actually build this new park into the existing 414 00:27:42,641 --> 00:27:42,642 structure. 415 00:27:42,642 --> 00:27:42,652 Therefore we thought that having a little bit deeper abilities 416 00:27:42,652 --> 00:27:42,660 in selecting from three teams would give us 417 00:27:42,660 --> 00:27:42,668 that staff that we are really looking forward 418 00:27:42,668 --> 00:27:42,678 to make sure we get the right number of people 419 00:27:42,678 --> 00:27:42,688 available at any one time to work on our projects. 420 00:27:42,688 --> 00:27:42,695 Very similar timeline to the last timeline 421 00:27:42,695 --> 00:27:42,704 we did the posting of the RFQ in June 422 00:27:42,704 --> 00:27:42,713 the proposals were due at the end of June 423 00:27:42,713 --> 00:27:42,720 and then we did that panel deliberation 424 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:42,730 in the middle of July with interviews being in August 425 00:27:42,730 --> 00:27:42,737 and now looking for that commission approval 426 00:27:42,737 --> 00:27:42,743 and then entering into contract negotiations. 427 00:27:42,743 --> 00:27:42,751 If the approval is made later this month. 428 00:27:42,751 --> 00:27:42,758 Again the review team very same thing. 429 00:27:42,758 --> 00:27:42,766 A lot of these people I would really 430 00:27:42,766 --> 00:27:42,773 like to thank them for their help 431 00:27:42,773 --> 00:27:42,783 in reviewing the proposals we received eight proposals here as 432 00:27:42,783 --> 00:27:42,794 well and it takes time to do that so I really 433 00:27:42,794 --> 00:27:42,799 appreciate their effort and diligence 434 00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:42,809 in reviewing the proposals and helping us with the selection. 435 00:27:42,809 --> 00:27:42,820 Not only that it is also a good cross-section of Mac. 436 00:27:42,820 --> 00:27:42,831 We are able to get in the different opinions of what 437 00:27:42,831 --> 00:27:42,835 makes a good architect. 438 00:27:42,835 --> 00:27:42,846 What are they looking for it is a very review team 439 00:27:42,846 --> 00:27:42,854 to be able to get those differing opinions 440 00:27:42,854 --> 00:27:42,859 and hint to the selection. 441 00:27:42,859 --> 00:27:42,864 With the statement of qualifications 442 00:27:42,864 --> 00:27:42,874 we received eight proposals and based on those eight proposals 443 00:27:42,874 --> 00:27:42,886 we felt that five of them are far enough above the others 444 00:27:42,886 --> 00:27:42,898 to come in for an interview and what we were looking for 445 00:27:42,898 --> 00:27:42,908 and why we went to those five was their familiarity 446 00:27:42,908 --> 00:27:42,919 with working at an airport or other 24 over seven operations. 447 00:27:42,919 --> 00:27:42,930 Right here in Minneapolis that would be able to serve us. 448 00:27:42,930 --> 00:27:42,940 We have looked at their abilities of their key staff. 449 00:27:42,940 --> 00:27:42,947 How much experience did they have overall? 450 00:27:42,947 --> 00:27:42,955 Did they have the right type of experience 451 00:27:42,955 --> 00:27:42,960 that we were looking for. 452 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:42,968 Those are the kind of things that we 453 00:27:42,968 --> 00:27:42,978 are evaluating when we ask those five to come on 454 00:27:42,978 --> 00:27:42,982 in for an interview. 455 00:27:42,982 --> 00:27:42,995 Based on the interview we were able to narrow it down to three 456 00:27:42,995 --> 00:27:43,600 and we felt that the three that we selected Alliance Meat 457 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:43,170 and Hunt and Millard Dunwoody were the three that were going 458 00:27:43,170 --> 00:27:43,230 to provide us the best service. 459 00:27:43,230 --> 00:27:43,300 They all have local offices right here 460 00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:43,360 in the Minneapolis Saint Paul area. 461 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:43,430 National firm hunt is a national firm 462 00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:45,210 but they have a very strong local presence they also 463 00:27:45,210 --> 00:27:51,810 partnered with a local firm on in the Minn is going 464 00:29:39,775 --> 00:29:43,975 to be coming out of exclusive staff 465 00:32:12,867 --> 00:32:15,409 for our projects is going to be coming out of the Minneapolis 466 00:32:15,409 --> 00:32:15,412 Saint Paul area. 467 00:32:15,412 --> 00:32:15,423 So so therefore we have got a couple of actions requested. 468 00:32:15,423 --> 00:32:15,431 The two that are up on the screen 469 00:32:15,431 --> 00:32:15,441 the first one being to recommend to the full commission 470 00:32:15,441 --> 00:32:15,450 ratify the selection of Alliance Miller Dunwoody as continuing 471 00:32:15,450 --> 00:32:15,456 consultants to provide architecture consultant services 472 00:32:15,456 --> 00:32:15,468 for a term up to six years and to authorize executive director 473 00:32:15,468 --> 00:32:15,472 CEO the necessary documents. 474 00:32:15,472 --> 00:32:15,479 With that if there is any questions 475 00:32:15,479 --> 00:32:16,937 I would be happy to try and answer. 476 00:32:16,937 --> 00:32:19,337 >> I have a question. 477 00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:52,823 When they contract are they going is it 478 00:32:52,823 --> 00:32:55,730 a smaller firm is it allowing us to meet some standard 479 00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:55,830 to give some businesses to others that would probably not 480 00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:56,000 have that opportunity. 481 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,800 Is that the >> A lot of times that 482 00:33:14,203 --> 00:33:16,536 is the case in this particular case it is a smaller firm 483 00:33:16,536 --> 00:33:16,546 but it's a firm that has a little different specialty. 484 00:33:16,546 --> 00:33:16,556 They are a little bit more of a creative architect 485 00:33:16,556 --> 00:33:16,567 so if we've got a situation where the project is really 486 00:33:16,567 --> 00:33:16,578 requiring that they are able to draw upon that other firm 487 00:33:16,578 --> 00:33:16,589 to help us out and come up with those creative solutions. 488 00:33:16,589 --> 00:33:16,602 Sometime it is to be able to hit some of the small business 489 00:33:16,602 --> 00:33:16,603 requirements. 490 00:33:16,603 --> 00:33:16,611 Other times it would be there for just 491 00:33:16,611 --> 00:33:18,653 making sure they are complementing their services 492 00:33:18,653 --> 00:33:20,653 offered to us. 493 00:33:51,314 --> 00:33:52,772 Any questions Commissioner Gardner. 494 00:33:52,772 --> 00:33:55,172 >> Thank you Mr. Chair. 495 00:33:55,895 --> 00:33:57,853 At providing services to the out state systems. 496 00:33:57,853 --> 00:33:57,868 they are new to the pool. we prior experiences with them 497 00:33:57,868 --> 00:34:00,160 directly at MSP? would so but can you put a color that? 498 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:07,360 >> Thank you for the question but I'm going to have to turn 499 00:34:23,304 --> 00:34:24,887 to Bridget to help me out on that one. 500 00:34:24,887 --> 00:34:24,896 Manhunt is with us today they are providing services 501 00:34:24,896 --> 00:34:24,905 on our continuation planning and they will be presenting 502 00:34:24,905 --> 00:34:24,911 to us a little bit later. 503 00:34:24,911 --> 00:34:24,924 Yes we have direct I will say that the team that was submitted 504 00:34:24,924 --> 00:34:24,934 in the proposal is completely different than the planning team 505 00:34:24,934 --> 00:34:26,809 so Mead and Hunt is a large enough firm where 506 00:34:26,809 --> 00:34:31,609 it is a completely different set of team >> 507 00:35:01,525 --> 00:35:02,817 Thank you Commissioner O'neill. 508 00:35:02,817 --> 00:35:05,959 >> The last item was a contract for five years this is for six. 509 00:35:05,959 --> 00:35:07,542 What is the reason for the difference? 510 00:35:07,542 --> 00:35:13,542 >> So Mac has a consultant policy that limits the number 511 00:35:16,302 --> 00:35:17,344 of years up to six years. 512 00:35:17,344 --> 00:35:17,355 That is what we did for this one to give us 513 00:35:17,355 --> 00:35:17,358 that greatest flexibility. 514 00:35:17,358 --> 00:35:17,369 The previous one last year we hired met firms as well 515 00:35:17,369 --> 00:35:17,379 and we did that for a six year selection period 516 00:35:17,379 --> 00:35:17,393 this year we did for a five year selection so that all of them 517 00:35:17,393 --> 00:35:17,400 are up in the exact same year. 518 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:17,410 It's really just a kind of marry up and make 519 00:35:17,410 --> 00:35:19,868 sure we do the one selection five years from now as opposed 520 00:35:19,868 --> 00:35:22,868 to having it staggered again. 521 00:35:53,313 --> 00:35:54,271 >> Any other questions? 522 00:35:54,271 --> 00:35:54,279 Do I have a motion and a second? 523 00:35:54,279 --> 00:35:54,284 Commissioner garden and Commissioner Skoog? 524 00:35:54,284 --> 00:35:54,287 All in favor? 525 00:35:54,287 --> 00:35:54,288 Opposed? 526 00:35:54,288 --> 00:35:54,290 Motion passes. 527 00:35:54,290 --> 00:35:54,300 Now we will move to something that is pretty unique. 528 00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:54,310 We are changing the way we are doing some business 529 00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:54,321 and I think it is going to take a little time 530 00:35:54,321 --> 00:35:54,328 and we can ask questions as needed 531 00:35:54,328 --> 00:35:54,339 but it may be useful to hold them until the end. 532 00:35:54,339 --> 00:35:54,348 Morning everyone again I'm Ashley Vlasic a senior project 533 00:35:54,348 --> 00:35:54,351 good morning everyone. 534 00:35:54,351 --> 00:35:54,357 Good to see you all again. 535 00:35:54,357 --> 00:35:54,367 I have with me Jon Kedrowski Associate general counsel from 536 00:35:54,367 --> 00:35:54,370 Legal Affairs.. 537 00:35:54,370 --> 00:35:54,381 Today we are going to talk about a recommendation to award 538 00:35:54,381 --> 00:35:54,386 terminal one expansion construction manager 539 00:35:54,386 --> 00:35:54,391 Preconstruction and Construction services contract. 540 00:35:54,391 --> 00:35:54,400 I would like to start with this opening slide. 541 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:54,408 I know we have a few new commissioners 542 00:35:54,408 --> 00:35:54,418 since the last time we talked about this project delivery 543 00:35:54,418 --> 00:35:54,428 method so I thought I would start with an overview. 544 00:35:54,428 --> 00:35:54,440 What you are seeing here on the screen on the left hand 545 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:54,447 side is the original management center that 546 00:35:54,447 --> 00:35:54,458 is our central utility plant that provides all of the heating 547 00:35:54,458 --> 00:35:54,468 and cooling for all of MSP and our parking ramps 548 00:35:54,468 --> 00:35:54,479 here at terminal one terminal two has its own separate plant. 549 00:35:54,479 --> 00:35:54,490 You can see it in this circle when the airport opened. 550 00:35:54,490 --> 00:35:54,500 Central plant today we have built all of concourse C 551 00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:54,507 and just continued along on a concourse 552 00:35:54,507 --> 00:35:54,515 and B concourse to surround the central plan 553 00:35:54,515 --> 00:35:54,525 period MSP has seen tremendous growth since the airport opened. 554 00:35:54,525 --> 00:35:54,537 We are very excited to share the next phase of the Energy 555 00:35:54,537 --> 00:35:54,542 Management Center with you all. 556 00:35:54,542 --> 00:35:54,552 Since its opening it has been more than 60 years 557 00:35:54,552 --> 00:35:54,561 the MC equipment is nearing its end of life. 558 00:35:54,561 --> 00:35:54,566 Our energy Management Center staff 559 00:35:54,566 --> 00:35:54,573 our Chief Engineer Travis and his group 560 00:35:54,573 --> 00:35:54,582 has done a fantastic job of keeping this equipment 561 00:35:54,582 --> 00:35:54,589 maintained as long as it has been. 562 00:35:54,589 --> 00:35:54,598 Since we have expanded the heating and cooling requirements 563 00:35:54,598 --> 00:35:54,604 of MSP quite dramatically you can 564 00:35:54,604 --> 00:35:54,614 see it here again circled in this little tiny building 565 00:35:54,614 --> 00:35:54,620 surrounded by concourse C in red. 566 00:35:54,620 --> 00:35:54,631 It is time to grow the plant for the appropriate amount 567 00:35:54,631 --> 00:35:54,639 of heating and cooling that we need today 568 00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:54,649 and that we are going to need in the future. 569 00:35:54,649 --> 00:35:54,657 In 2023 knowing that this was coming we 570 00:35:54,657 --> 00:35:54,666 did a study to validate the central plant location. 571 00:35:54,666 --> 00:35:54,672 We looked at its current location 572 00:35:54,672 --> 00:35:54,681 we looked at other areas should we move it 573 00:35:54,681 --> 00:35:54,691 off airfield to another part of the area parking ramps. 574 00:35:54,691 --> 00:35:54,699 We looked at the whole long term plan 575 00:35:54,699 --> 00:35:54,707 and we eventually decided that it is currently 576 00:35:54,707 --> 00:35:54,711 in its right location. 577 00:35:54,711 --> 00:35:54,722 What that told us is we needed to renovate and expand 578 00:35:54,722 --> 00:35:54,726 the plan in place. 579 00:35:54,726 --> 00:35:54,734 Right now we have a $480 million CIP 580 00:35:54,734 --> 00:35:54,744 that you all approved for this process back in December. 581 00:35:54,744 --> 00:35:54,750 Planning and design is in process. 582 00:35:54,750 --> 00:35:54,756 We anticipate an enabling construction project 583 00:35:54,756 --> 00:35:54,764 that has fueling line moves for the airlines 584 00:35:54,764 --> 00:35:54,771 for some concrete work kind of happening 585 00:35:54,771 --> 00:35:54,778 to prep this project in 2027 period 586 00:35:54,778 --> 00:35:54,785 with the start of construction in 2028 587 00:35:54,785 --> 00:35:56,452 with final completion somewhere in 2032. 588 00:35:56,452 --> 00:36:03,520 The project scope is expand the energy Man for the equipment 589 00:39:41,315 --> 00:39:43,732 we're going to be replacing all of the heating and cooling 590 00:39:43,732 --> 00:39:43,744 systems within the central plant in phases um the MC itself grows 591 00:39:43,744 --> 00:39:43,756 by about 60% and what that 60% is is um appropriate size 592 00:39:43,756 --> 00:39:43,765 equipment not only for the equipment itself but also 593 00:39:43,765 --> 00:39:43,776 the space around the equipment so that our staff can access 594 00:39:43,776 --> 00:39:43,786 for repairs today we have that problem where a lot 595 00:39:43,786 --> 00:39:43,800 of the equipment is on top of each other and we know we can 596 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:43,812 get the old equipment out but today we can't get new equipment 597 00:39:43,812 --> 00:39:43,822 in so it is the equipment is literally too large 598 00:39:43,822 --> 00:39:43,830 for our building and what this does and 599 00:39:43,830 --> 00:39:43,841 I'll show you some real quick picture back and forth about 600 00:39:43,841 --> 00:39:43,851 where we are because the EMC itself is getting bigger 601 00:39:43,851 --> 00:39:43,862 we're expanding gates C six through C 11 as an adjacent 602 00:39:43,862 --> 00:39:43,873 project to rightsize those gates because the EMC is now going 603 00:39:43,873 --> 00:39:43,883 to be in its place we're also adding restrooms concessions 604 00:39:43,883 --> 00:39:43,896 airline and Mac support spaces I wanted to show a floor plan this 605 00:39:43,896 --> 00:39:43,908 is very early in design we're looking forward to a 30% design 606 00:39:43,908 --> 00:39:43,920 by the end of the year so this may look very finished 607 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:43,930 and polished it's only because of the 3D modeling capabilities 608 00:39:43,930 --> 00:39:43,942 we are still very much shaking out exactly kind of what this 609 00:39:43,942 --> 00:39:43,950 building looks like but the EMC the original 610 00:39:43,950 --> 00:39:43,964 concourse C is at the bottom and the new expansion is at the top 611 00:39:43,964 --> 00:39:43,976 so this gray box here in the center is the current energy 612 00:39:43,976 --> 00:39:43,988 management center so you can see that it grows on multiple levels 613 00:39:43,988 --> 00:39:43,999 um at multiple levels to get about 60% bigger and then 614 00:39:43,999 --> 00:39:44,110 the yellow is the gate hold space so if you can imagine 615 00:39:44,110 --> 00:39:44,230 where we are today between C six to C 11 we're pushing 616 00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:44,340 the building out towards the airfield all the planes go back 617 00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:44,460 as well so that we can provide the most um ground service 618 00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:44,540 equipment parking possible for the airline operations um 619 00:39:44,540 --> 00:39:44,650 so that's kind of that's where we are today just really 620 00:39:44,650 --> 00:39:44,700 planning if you think about 621 00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:44,820 it as some of the renderings that you've seen from the infill 622 00:39:44,820 --> 00:39:44,910 project where there's restrooms support spaces gate holds that 623 00:39:44,910 --> 00:39:44,102 are the proper size for the fleet mix that we're going 624 00:39:44,102 --> 00:39:44,112 to fly it's really a similar project when it comes 625 00:39:44,112 --> 00:39:44,126 to the gate hold area of that I thought I would just show you 626 00:39:44,126 --> 00:39:44,139 a quick um superimposed this is a Google Earth image of um from 627 00:39:44,139 --> 00:39:44,153 C 11 over here down to C six over here this is the concourse 628 00:39:44,153 --> 00:39:44,165 this concourse C today when I switched to this next this is 629 00:39:44,165 --> 00:39:44,175 what it's going to look like in the future again 630 00:39:44,175 --> 00:39:44,187 we're in preliminary design but if I go back to today with 631 00:39:44,187 --> 00:39:44,190 the growth of 632 00:39:44,190 --> 00:39:44,204 the central plant we grow all of the gate hold areas as they push 633 00:39:44,204 --> 00:39:44,216 out into the airfield themselves so um as you are probably aware 634 00:39:44,216 --> 00:39:44,226 if you think about this project it's a very complicated 635 00:39:44,226 --> 00:39:44,236 complicated project for us so as we've been planning this 636 00:39:44,236 --> 00:39:44,246 we've been thinking about the project delivery method how are 637 00:39:44,246 --> 00:39:44,256 we actually going to get this constructed we are proposing 638 00:39:44,256 --> 00:39:44,264 a construction manager at risk preconstruction and construction 639 00:39:44,264 --> 00:39:44,274 services I came to you back in December to request 640 00:39:44,274 --> 00:39:44,285 for authority to go through the selection process so I'm here 641 00:39:44,285 --> 00:39:44,298 today to talk about where we are and seek approval for a selected 642 00:39:44,298 --> 00:39:44,307 construction manager but I thought I should just remind 643 00:39:44,307 --> 00:39:44,310 everybody what construction 644 00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:44,321 manager at risk services are so this is a project delivery 645 00:39:44,321 --> 00:39:44,331 method where the construction manager is hired early to assist 646 00:39:44,331 --> 00:39:44,342 with design they take on the risk of delivering the project 647 00:39:44,342 --> 00:39:44,353 with a guaranteed maximum price when we have the documents um 648 00:39:44,353 --> 00:39:44,362 delivered in enough detail that we're comfortable with moving 649 00:39:44,362 --> 00:39:44,372 forward with construction this is a little bit different from 650 00:39:44,372 --> 00:39:44,381 our typical design bid build contracts where we design 651 00:39:44,381 --> 00:39:44,394 the whole thing and we put it out for a bit and then 652 00:39:44,394 --> 00:39:44,403 the contractor joins us after we're 100% complete with 653 00:39:44,403 --> 00:39:44,413 the design um for reference in 2005 the Minnesota Legislature 654 00:39:44,413 --> 00:39:44,422 approved state agencies the ability to use the construction 655 00:39:44,422 --> 00:39:44,430 manager at risk method and then in 2023 656 00:39:44,430 --> 00:39:44,439 they extended that authority to municipalities which Mac falls 657 00:39:44,439 --> 00:39:44,449 under and other political subdivisions like us to use um 658 00:39:44,449 --> 00:39:44,460 construction manager at risk so again why cmaa for this project 659 00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:44,471 complicated airport operations this is a you know if we think 660 00:39:44,471 --> 00:39:44,484 about the EMC as the heart of the of the airport it provides 661 00:39:44,484 --> 00:39:44,497 all of the heating and cooling the heart is an a central plant 662 00:39:44,497 --> 00:39:44,509 and then all of the fingers go out to every furthest point 663 00:39:44,509 --> 00:39:44,518 to provide comfort for our passengers and our staff 664 00:39:44,518 --> 00:39:44,527 it's a multi-year project with phases that require close 665 00:39:44,527 --> 00:39:44,537 coordination we really wanted to fill that chair to have 666 00:39:44,537 --> 00:39:44,548 the construction manager on board with us um reduce the we 667 00:39:44,548 --> 00:39:44,550 have a 668 00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:44,561 desire to reduce or limit gate closure and really day closures 669 00:39:44,561 --> 00:39:44,571 and really talk about that timing we have a lot 670 00:39:44,571 --> 00:39:44,582 of construction going on that affects gates in the next ten 671 00:39:44,582 --> 00:39:44,596 years and we really wanted to be um to be really in a partnership 672 00:39:44,596 --> 00:39:44,608 with kind of how those closures were going to happen and we 673 00:39:44,608 --> 00:39:44,618 needed some central plant expertise this is a project we 674 00:39:44,618 --> 00:39:44,629 will do again in another 60 years so we really wanted 675 00:39:44,629 --> 00:39:44,636 somebody with construction plant central plant experience 676 00:39:44,636 --> 00:39:44,647 and this delivery method and had the right subcontractors to join 677 00:39:44,647 --> 00:39:44,654 us on this journey um construction experience 678 00:39:44,654 --> 00:39:44,664 in an airport setting we're looking for somebody that has 679 00:39:44,664 --> 00:39:44,670 airport experience we identify we can 680 00:39:44,670 --> 00:39:44,680 identify costs early this will help our overall capital plan 681 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:44,690 to really kind of know what we're getting into what 682 00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:44,700 we're seeing um as opposed to waiting until the end 683 00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:44,711 we're going to buy equipment early one of the things that 684 00:39:44,711 --> 00:39:44,723 John will talk to you about today is just the idea that 685 00:39:44,723 --> 00:39:44,732 there's electrical mechanical equipment that has that we can 686 00:39:44,732 --> 00:39:44,745 purchase it now but it may not be ready for us to install 687 00:39:44,745 --> 00:39:44,757 and be here for 12 to 18 months Uh bringing the contract 688 00:39:44,757 --> 00:39:44,769 on board early allows us to purchase that early so we can 689 00:39:44,769 --> 00:39:44,777 start construction sooner and we're looking for innovative 690 00:39:44,777 --> 00:39:44,783 opportunities from our construction teams during 691 00:39:44,783 --> 00:39:44,790 the design process this is a area 692 00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:44,801 of expertise that has lots of phasing and we're really looking 693 00:39:44,801 --> 00:39:44,811 for that partner to come with us and say hey 694 00:39:44,811 --> 00:39:44,823 how would you do this you're the actual builder of this what 695 00:39:44,823 --> 00:39:44,831 what would you do differently than maybe some 696 00:39:44,831 --> 00:39:44,835 of our design consultants. 697 00:39:44,835 --> 00:39:44,845 Staff are thinking so the selection process has four steps 698 00:39:44,845 --> 00:39:44,857 the first step was is a request for qualification I'll go over 699 00:39:44,857 --> 00:39:44,869 that um kind of where we've been step two is a request 700 00:39:44,869 --> 00:39:44,882 for proposal for a list of short or short listed firms step three 701 00:39:44,882 --> 00:39:44,891 is where we are today Commission approval we're bringing 702 00:39:44,891 --> 00:39:44,902 in negotiated contract to you all for approval and then step 703 00:39:44,902 --> 00:39:44,913 four is the signing of the contract and the key joins 704 00:39:44,913 --> 00:39:44,925 our project so there's a few um things before we go through 705 00:39:44,925 --> 00:39:44,934 through the process I really wanted to highlight some 706 00:39:44,934 --> 00:39:44,945 of the selection team members some of them are very similar 707 00:39:44,945 --> 00:39:44,955 to the MEP and architecture team members that you've seen 708 00:39:44,955 --> 00:39:44,967 before again I want to highlight I'm just going to read them 709 00:39:44,967 --> 00:39:44,977 because I'm very thankful that everybody that was a part 710 00:39:44,977 --> 00:39:44,991 of this took time out of their regular job duties to help us do 711 00:39:44,991 --> 00:39:45,100 this for the first time Tim Simon our chief financial 712 00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:45,120 officer Chris Roy my boss who just presented to you myself 713 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:45,210 Alex Oster um assistant director of operations and facilities 714 00:39:45,210 --> 00:39:45,300 Adrian our manager he manages all the electricians plumbers 715 00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:45,390 carpenters and painters Travis who couldn't be here today 716 00:39:45,390 --> 00:39:45,480 because he's working through an actual heating and cooling 717 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:45,560 incident where we're getting some equipment back up 718 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:45,670 and running but he is our chief engineer for the Energy 719 00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:47,697 Management Center Mike farmer our construction executive from 720 00:39:47,697 --> 00:39:50,447 Carl Anderson Construction we hire Chris Anderson to be 721 00:39:50,447 --> 00:39:53,567 our construction coordinator they provide logistics planning 722 00:39:53,567 --> 00:39:57,497 for our projects estimating this is also one of the legislature 723 00:39:57,497 --> 00:39:59,927 requirements that they require at least three people to be 724 00:39:59,927 --> 00:40:02,177 on the selection committee and one of them has to have 725 00:40:02,177 --> 00:40:04,857 construction expertise so we were happy to have Mike 726 00:40:04,857 --> 00:40:07,937 Commissioner Skoog joined our team thank you Commissioner 727 00:40:07,937 --> 00:40:11,377 Bridget VP of Planning and Development John Associate 728 00:40:11,377 --> 00:40:14,816 General Counsel and then Mike from auditing so we really feel 729 00:40:14,816 --> 00:40:17,377 like we had a really good selection here for our first 730 00:40:17,377 --> 00:40:21,233 our first goal with this so step one request for qualification 731 00:40:21,233 --> 00:40:23,507 so we issued a request for qualification 732 00:40:23,507 --> 00:40:26,697 for Preconstruction and construction services um when 733 00:40:26,697 --> 00:40:29,977 we did this we really looked at how other agencies other 734 00:40:29,977 --> 00:40:33,177 airports Hennepin County MnDOT kind of what they were all doing 735 00:40:33,177 --> 00:40:36,130 how they were structuring their rfqs and we really made one that 736 00:40:36,130 --> 00:40:39,147 worked for MacK we the commission approved a selection 737 00:40:39,147 --> 00:40:43,737 of minimum criteria back um license to work in Minnesota 738 00:40:43,737 --> 00:40:46,449 have experienced constructing a new or remodeled central plant 739 00:40:46,449 --> 00:40:50,131 of similar size within the last 15 years and then five or more 740 00:40:50,131 --> 00:40:52,677 years experience with construction manager at risk 741 00:40:52,677 --> 00:40:56,170 projects exceeding 50 million we received six statements 742 00:40:56,170 --> 00:41:01,270 of qualifications um and Icon a mechanical joint venture 743 00:41:01,270 --> 00:41:04,517 that's a construction manager and mechanical contractor joined 744 00:41:04,517 --> 00:41:08,150 together G done construction company Mcguff Mortenson 745 00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:10,417 Construction Services and the White company 746 00:41:10,417 --> 00:41:14,220 we evaluated them based on the criteria this is a snippet from 747 00:41:14,220 --> 00:41:17,350 the commission action back in December Proposer's experience 748 00:41:17,350 --> 00:41:20,787 with similar projects technical competence capability to perform 749 00:41:20,787 --> 00:41:24,177 capacity of key personnel and staffing past performance safety 750 00:41:24,177 --> 00:41:27,970 record compliance with state and federal laws and familiar with 751 00:41:27,970 --> 00:41:29,457 the project locale these are all based on some 752 00:41:29,457 --> 00:41:32,445 of the requirements that are laid out in the state statute 753 00:41:32,445 --> 00:41:35,305 and things that we were concerned about for this project 754 00:41:35,305 --> 00:41:39,970 um we shortlisted three proposers three proposers stood 755 00:41:39,970 --> 00:41:44,257 out out of the six as a natural um a natural interview we 756 00:41:44,257 --> 00:41:47,649 brought they have National aviation expertise and they were 757 00:41:47,649 --> 00:41:51,607 joined with icon mechanical to provide mechanical services um 758 00:41:51,607 --> 00:41:52,857 J.E. Dunn Construction company 759 00:41:52,857 --> 00:41:56,370 that is national but also has a huge Minnesota presence and then 760 00:41:56,370 --> 00:41:59,570 Mcguff which is a local Minnesota company we scored 761 00:41:59,570 --> 00:42:02,437 and selected the highest ranking proposers out of the six and we 762 00:42:02,437 --> 00:42:06,325 invited these three in for an interview um the team met um 763 00:42:06,325 --> 00:42:10,557 very closely to um independently and then together to kind 764 00:42:10,557 --> 00:42:13,664 of decide who to shortlist so we kind of did our own thing 765 00:42:13,664 --> 00:42:16,590 and then we got together and decided who to shortlist we all 766 00:42:16,590 --> 00:42:19,757 agreed um and we also sent this out to the building trades 767 00:42:19,757 --> 00:42:23,585 for their input as well we sent them the RFQ process so we 768 00:42:23,585 --> 00:42:26,167 shortlisted these three proposers invited them 769 00:42:26,167 --> 00:42:29,857 to a request um for proposal and an in-person 770 00:42:29,857 --> 00:42:33,409 interview the in-person interview had a um 771 00:42:33,409 --> 00:42:37,297 a presentation from the proposers and then it also had 772 00:42:37,297 --> 00:42:40,737 a Q&A where the selection committee was able to ask them 773 00:42:40,737 --> 00:42:44,850 open ended questions and then a closing statement of why should 774 00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:47,697 you pick us a very open ended it was very um very cool to see 775 00:42:47,697 --> 00:42:50,257 kind of how this all worked together we rated them based 776 00:42:50,257 --> 00:42:53,100 on the commission approved interior and criteria and points 777 00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:55,789 there was 1000 points total um the detailed cost information 778 00:42:55,789 --> 00:42:58,920 that was that was one thing that we gained from the RFQ is what 779 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,337 and what is their what are their fees going to be for both 780 00:43:01,337 --> 00:43:03,137 construction and pre-construction we asked 781 00:43:03,137 --> 00:43:04,347 for more experience on 782 00:43:04,347 --> 00:43:07,897 similar projects their project approach now that we're really 783 00:43:07,897 --> 00:43:10,748 getting into this is how are we actually going to do this like 784 00:43:10,748 --> 00:43:13,170 give us some give us some options you know what do you 785 00:43:13,170 --> 00:43:15,350 actually think from your areas of expertise um how does 786 00:43:15,350 --> 00:43:18,113 your team work together and then what sustainability initiatives 787 00:43:18,113 --> 00:43:21,481 have you done in the past that makes you a good fit for us um 788 00:43:21,481 --> 00:43:24,567 our recommendation is the selection of J.E. 789 00:43:24,567 --> 00:43:27,217 Dunn Construction Company for the construction manager at risk 790 00:43:27,217 --> 00:43:30,305 Pre-con and Construction Services again they have 791 00:43:30,305 --> 00:43:33,525 their team is comprised of a central plant expert expertise 792 00:43:33,525 --> 00:43:36,250 with 24 over seven operations that they have actually worked 793 00:43:36,250 --> 00:43:38,747 on together which is a unique thing that um 794 00:43:38,747 --> 00:43:41,517 had them stand out from other people they have airport 795 00:43:41,517 --> 00:43:43,897 experience they have natural national experience like I 796 00:43:43,897 --> 00:43:46,762 mentioned but with a very very strong local Minneapolis office 797 00:43:46,762 --> 00:43:49,437 they have experience in Minnesota working 798 00:43:49,437 --> 00:43:52,852 for the political subdivisions and our trades their project 799 00:43:52,852 --> 00:43:55,352 approach they approach it in a little bit of a different way 800 00:43:55,352 --> 00:43:58,327 than even our design team was thinking but they also created 801 00:43:58,327 --> 00:44:00,785 flexibility in their plan to work with us because they knew 802 00:44:00,785 --> 00:44:03,493 that they didn't know everything at this point and we were really 803 00:44:03,493 --> 00:44:06,250 impressed by that um their collaborative decision process 804 00:44:06,250 --> 00:44:08,417 and then their phasing innovation we're very excited 805 00:44:08,417 --> 00:44:12,609 to get started with them um with the approving the selection with 806 00:44:12,609 --> 00:44:13,257 some of the 807 00:44:13,257 --> 00:44:15,537 phasing and they were very competitive with their cost 808 00:44:15,537 --> 00:44:18,377 for the overall construction fees in the pre-design services 809 00:44:18,377 --> 00:44:22,457 and we have Jim from J Dunn here Jim today with us Jim is going 810 00:44:22,457 --> 00:44:25,370 to be our project manager for construction so he may be up 811 00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:27,537 here with me or I may reference him as we kind of go through 812 00:44:27,537 --> 00:44:31,142 updates over the next couple of years um the next steps for us 813 00:44:31,142 --> 00:44:35,870 today is a commission approval Uh we are requesting to award 814 00:44:35,870 --> 00:44:37,847 the contract for pre-construction services to J 815 00:44:37,847 --> 00:44:40,665 Construction company they will provide us with future 816 00:44:40,665 --> 00:44:42,790 guaranteed maximum price approvals for construction 817 00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:45,890 services that will come for you all for approval so we'll be up 818 00:44:45,890 --> 00:44:46,797 here talking about 819 00:44:46,797 --> 00:44:49,297 phasing talking about different buckets of construction that 820 00:44:49,297 --> 00:44:51,329 we're going to be putting together we'll develop 821 00:44:51,329 --> 00:44:54,425 the phasing and the pricing and then after the contract is 822 00:44:54,425 --> 00:44:57,710 executed and joins the joint joins the design team um 823 00:44:57,710 --> 00:45:01,434 the next phase is again the actual team approach of it 824 00:45:01,434 --> 00:45:03,947 so they will provide us with pre-construction services that 825 00:45:03,947 --> 00:45:06,723 includes estimating cost saving reviews phasing logistics 826 00:45:06,723 --> 00:45:10,357 and scheduling they'll provide us with one or likely multiple 827 00:45:10,357 --> 00:45:13,937 buckets of construction guaranteed maximum prices that 828 00:45:13,937 --> 00:45:16,693 is essentially the max the owner will pay for that scope of work 829 00:45:16,693 --> 00:45:19,717 so we'll know this ahead of time and then they'll provide us with 830 00:45:19,717 --> 00:45:22,657 if we so choose early procurement for equipment based 831 00:45:22,657 --> 00:45:24,450 on our phasing and 832 00:45:24,450 --> 00:45:26,683 based on what we what we know about the scope 833 00:45:26,683 --> 00:45:29,212 um we wanted to hit on a few I'll turn this over to John 834 00:45:29,212 --> 00:45:31,170 we wanted to hit on a few contract negotiations 835 00:45:31,170 --> 00:45:32,900 to share a little bit about what is 836 00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:34,817 different from this contract from the contract 837 00:45:34,817 --> 00:45:37,639 that you all are used to seeing kind of with our design bid 838 00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:39,682 build so with that I'll turn it over to John 839 00:45:39,682 --> 00:45:43,597 well actually collects her breath here well 840 00:45:43,597 --> 00:45:45,497 Ashley collects her breath here if anybody 841 00:45:45,497 --> 00:45:47,289 has a question for her beforehand otherwise 842 00:45:47,289 --> 00:45:49,307 I will go into the contract negotiations. 843 00:45:49,307 --> 00:45:51,307 Go ahead John. 844 00:54:38,139 --> 00:54:39,181 >> Contract negotiations. 845 00:54:39,181 --> 00:54:39,190 This process is just a little bit the design 846 00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:39,197 been build the contractor the bidder themselves 847 00:54:39,197 --> 00:54:39,207 are given a contract and they don't negotiate that contract. 848 00:54:39,207 --> 00:54:39,217 In a similar approach there is a negotiation that happens 849 00:54:39,217 --> 00:54:39,228 and that is where we are today in the contract negotiations 850 00:54:39,228 --> 00:54:39,239 we are at a point where we can bring it forward 851 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:39,247 to the committee and then to the commission 852 00:54:39,247 --> 00:54:39,259 to say this is a good contract we recommend taking this on. 853 00:54:39,259 --> 00:54:39,270 There are a few things that stood out in the contract 854 00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:39,279 negotiations that I want to make sure to highlight 855 00:54:39,279 --> 00:54:39,285 for the committee here number one 856 00:54:39,285 --> 00:54:39,290 was the project Labor agreement. 857 00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:39,304 As you can tell this is going to be a lot of trade labor 858 00:54:39,304 --> 00:54:39,312 Paraguard typical stance is that a particular dollar 859 00:54:39,312 --> 00:54:39,321 amount we try to have a project labor agreement. 860 00:54:39,321 --> 00:54:39,330 This project labor agreement is written into the contract. 861 00:54:39,330 --> 00:54:39,336 J.E. Dunn has already said yeah. 862 00:54:39,336 --> 00:54:39,348 Project labor agreement we do them all the time not a problem. 863 00:54:39,348 --> 00:54:39,358 But also in case J.E. Dunn cannot reach an agreement 864 00:54:39,358 --> 00:54:39,369 on the building trade unions Mac has the ability to step 865 00:54:39,369 --> 00:54:39,373 in as an owner. 866 00:54:39,373 --> 00:54:39,380 We have both avenues in that sense 867 00:54:39,380 --> 00:54:39,389 but it provides us that ability to say this 868 00:54:39,389 --> 00:54:39,393 is an important project. 869 00:54:39,393 --> 00:54:39,402 We don't want the strikes we don't want disharmony 870 00:54:39,402 --> 00:54:39,410 we want to make sure this gets built 871 00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:41,910 and that everybody is going to be working together that way. 872 00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:49,110 >> If that situation came what would be the process for the Mac 873 00:56:03,317 --> 00:56:03,817 to step in? 874 00:56:03,817 --> 00:56:05,775 It wouldn't be an arbitration it would be what? 875 00:56:05,775 --> 00:56:12,975 >> It would be similar to a negotiation that J.E. Dunn had. 876 00:56:13,213 --> 00:56:15,338 We and we would go back to the building association 877 00:56:15,338 --> 00:56:15,350 to say hey can you accept this and if not is there 878 00:56:15,350 --> 00:56:15,357 a change that needs to be made? 879 00:56:15,357 --> 00:56:15,370 Can we have that change and if there is a particular change we 880 00:56:15,370 --> 00:56:15,379 bring it back to the committee to say are 881 00:56:15,379 --> 00:56:16,629 we accepting of those changes? 882 00:56:16,629 --> 00:56:21,429 >> I don't anticipate that happening but I appreciate 883 00:56:42,714 --> 00:56:43,464 the clarification. 884 00:56:43,464 --> 00:56:47,785 >> When unique element of the See approach is pre-construction 885 00:56:47,785 --> 00:56:50,350 services the construction manager gets into the design 886 00:56:50,350 --> 00:56:50,360 process. 887 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:50,470 We are not even at 30% yet but they are already 888 00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:50,570 going to be brought in to provide us some expertise. 889 00:56:50,570 --> 00:56:50,670 Some tips and tricks and ways that the construction company 890 00:56:50,670 --> 00:56:50,760 would say instead of designing it this way it 891 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:50,870 is probably more economical and beneficial to design it this way 892 00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:50,960 or to have this particular way of a path 893 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:50,106 or other types of factors that work in on pre-construction. 894 00:56:50,106 --> 00:56:50,112 One element that the committee here 895 00:56:50,112 --> 00:56:50,121 is going to be taking here in the action 896 00:56:50,121 --> 00:56:50,125 is authorizing pre-construction services. 897 00:56:50,125 --> 00:56:50,131 $3.299 million payment over 18 months 898 00:56:50,131 --> 00:56:50,135 will be pre-construction services 899 00:56:50,135 --> 00:56:50,145 that are being provided by G done in this manner. 900 00:56:50,145 --> 00:56:50,154 That will be approved here also as an action 901 00:56:50,154 --> 00:56:50,158 item for the Commission. 902 00:56:50,158 --> 00:56:50,167 It will also be incorporated into the final GMP. 903 00:56:50,167 --> 00:56:50,176 At the end when we get to that process 904 00:56:50,176 --> 00:56:50,184 the final GMP would be that final price 905 00:56:50,184 --> 00:56:50,192 that the condition is going to be looking 906 00:56:50,192 --> 00:56:50,197 at spending on this project. 907 00:56:50,197 --> 00:56:50,203 Now there are anticipations to have 908 00:56:50,203 --> 00:56:50,211 interim gmps such as the enabling work that 909 00:56:50,211 --> 00:56:50,216 might be done in 2027. 910 00:56:50,216 --> 00:56:50,225 There are particular projects that could be let out 911 00:56:50,225 --> 00:56:50,236 or put out early so that we can get those done 912 00:56:50,236 --> 00:56:50,246 before we get to a final guaranteed maximum price which 913 00:56:50,246 --> 00:56:50,249 is a GMP. 914 00:56:50,249 --> 00:56:50,259 From the GMP itself all of those interim and pre-construction 915 00:56:50,259 --> 00:56:50,267 get included in the final so we know 916 00:56:50,267 --> 00:56:50,274 at the end what that price is. 917 00:56:50,274 --> 00:56:50,284 The other factors going to be involved in the GMP 918 00:56:50,284 --> 00:56:50,291 and for the committees is liquidated damages. 919 00:56:50,291 --> 00:56:50,296 We'll be setting liquidated damages 920 00:56:50,296 --> 00:56:50,304 as those processes come forward for the GMP 921 00:56:50,304 --> 00:56:50,315 so each time the committee decides the GMP price that they 922 00:56:50,315 --> 00:56:50,322 would be willing to accept liquidated damages 923 00:56:50,322 --> 00:56:50,329 are generally where the construction company doesn't 924 00:56:50,329 --> 00:56:50,332 hit a milestone. 925 00:56:50,332 --> 00:56:50,344 Allows us to set those the scheduling and other such to be 926 00:56:50,344 --> 00:56:50,355 more realistic as to what might be liquidated damage versus it 927 00:56:50,355 --> 00:56:50,365 isn't you know our process isn't to collect the damages 928 00:56:50,365 --> 00:56:50,377 our process is to have the project done on time on schedule 929 00:56:50,377 --> 00:56:50,388 and on budget included with that is a waiver of consequential 930 00:56:50,388 --> 00:56:50,396 damages this is something that Jordan has specifically 931 00:56:50,396 --> 00:56:50,403 requested because of liquidated damages consequential damages 932 00:56:50,403 --> 00:56:50,412 typically are those damages which go to lost profits 933 00:56:50,412 --> 00:56:50,423 or reputational harm or other what I would call very different 934 00:56:50,423 --> 00:56:50,435 damages to prove we can prove direct damages you know it costs 935 00:56:50,435 --> 00:56:50,445 X in order to do what those are problematic consequential 936 00:56:50,445 --> 00:56:50,452 damages are those factors that go on 937 00:56:50,452 --> 00:56:50,459 further they're also very skeptical when introduced 938 00:56:50,459 --> 00:56:50,468 everybody can incorporate there profit might be everybody can 939 00:56:50,468 --> 00:56:50,479 try to talk about but it's really difficult to refine what 940 00:56:50,479 --> 00:56:50,493 those that dollar amount is is it a dollar is it $5 it gets 941 00:56:50,493 --> 00:56:50,501 to be really difficult to collect those damages 942 00:56:50,501 --> 00:56:50,513 because it's hard to prove as part of that difficulty you know 943 00:56:50,513 --> 00:56:50,527 we can bake in some lost profits that's not hard for us to be 944 00:56:50,527 --> 00:56:50,538 able to look at our concessions revenue and if the concessions 945 00:56:50,538 --> 00:56:50,549 revenue didn't open up on this particular day come up with 946 00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:50,559 a dollar amount and put that into liquidated damages those 947 00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:50,572 are not hard factors for us to come forward with but they are 948 00:56:50,572 --> 00:56:50,577 hard to establish specifically what 949 00:56:50,577 --> 00:56:50,587 they are given that difficulty you know the department does 950 00:56:50,587 --> 00:56:50,593 recommend saying yes in this case 951 00:56:50,593 --> 00:56:50,604 waiving consequential damages is a good thing it will get us 952 00:56:50,604 --> 00:56:50,617 to the contract and it gets us to where the contractor is also 953 00:56:50,617 --> 00:56:50,626 accepting liquidated damages one of the unique things going 954 00:56:50,626 --> 00:56:50,636 into this one of the unique things going into this 955 00:56:50,636 --> 00:56:50,646 but we have found has been used in other processes 956 00:56:50,646 --> 00:56:50,658 is the insurance pick J.E. Dunn is going to have a construction 957 00:56:50,658 --> 00:56:50,661 contractor insurance program. 958 00:56:50,661 --> 00:56:50,669 This is where all the subcontractors and such 959 00:56:50,669 --> 00:56:50,676 will be participating in the insurance program. 960 00:56:50,676 --> 00:56:50,682 This provides some efficiencies that we 961 00:56:50,682 --> 00:56:50,692 are dealing with when insurer as opposed to multiple insurers 962 00:56:50,692 --> 00:56:50,700 if there was a problem of some nature. 963 00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:50,709 If for some reason a sub doesn't participate Jordan 964 00:56:50,709 --> 00:56:50,717 will be instituting our insurance requirements to them 965 00:56:50,717 --> 00:56:50,719 as well. 966 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:50,723 General liabilities workman's Comp 967 00:56:50,723 --> 00:56:50,730 a lot of types of different insurance 968 00:56:50,730 --> 00:56:50,737 that we would be requiring in their. 969 00:56:50,737 --> 00:56:50,747 And then also for the most interesting part of it 970 00:56:50,747 --> 00:56:50,754 is a purchase agent authorization or purchasing 971 00:56:50,754 --> 00:56:50,756 agent authorization. 972 00:56:50,756 --> 00:56:50,767 This is a process where we would be designating GE done 973 00:56:50,767 --> 00:56:50,774 to act as our buyer for this. 974 00:56:50,774 --> 00:56:50,780 Itself would be purchasing the equipment. 975 00:56:50,780 --> 00:56:50,790 Would be the one sending the check authorizing the purchase 976 00:56:50,790 --> 00:56:50,791 amounts. 977 00:56:50,791 --> 00:56:50,798 GE done would act as our receiver 978 00:56:50,798 --> 00:56:50,811 our holder of all of this until that project is ready to go. 979 00:56:50,811 --> 00:56:50,818 With this authorizes then is it allows 980 00:56:50,818 --> 00:56:50,828 MacK to take advantage of its sales Tax exemption now 981 00:56:50,828 --> 00:56:50,834 as opposed to a reimbursement later 982 00:56:50,834 --> 00:56:50,848 to use it right away we would be able to use it right away 983 00:56:50,848 --> 00:56:50,856 and that would be bringing a cost savings. 984 00:56:50,856 --> 00:56:50,864 It is about an 8% savings on equipment. 985 00:56:50,864 --> 00:56:50,876 You read the actions first or should we take read the actions 986 00:56:50,876 --> 00:56:50,882 first or should we take questions? 987 00:56:50,882 --> 00:56:50,889 What with the piece of equipment what 988 00:56:50,889 --> 00:56:50,898 happens with the warranty on a piece of equipment 989 00:56:50,898 --> 00:56:50,908 if we are getting it early but it is not 990 00:56:50,908 --> 00:56:50,914 going to be put until later? 991 00:56:50,914 --> 00:56:51,706 How does that work? 992 00:56:51,706 --> 00:56:57,106 >> The warranty period itself starts when we purchase it 993 01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:06,838 and then receive it. 994 01:03:06,838 --> 01:03:06,845 Most equipment materials that we are buying 995 01:03:06,845 --> 01:03:06,853 have a longer lead period or longer warranty 996 01:03:06,853 --> 01:03:06,860 that happens in that sense than what 997 01:03:06,860 --> 01:03:06,869 the minimum contractor needs to provide for a warranty. 998 01:03:06,869 --> 01:03:06,882 If you look at a boiler it might have a 15 year warranty 999 01:03:06,882 --> 01:03:06,891 on top of that or some of the heating 1000 01:03:06,891 --> 01:03:06,899 and cooling equipment may have longer time periods 1001 01:03:06,899 --> 01:03:06,906 that way period the typical construction contract 1002 01:03:06,906 --> 01:03:08,114 only has a one year warranty. 1003 01:03:08,114 --> 01:03:10,114 >> Sheriff Lawrence? 1004 01:03:43,769 --> 01:03:47,890 >> At the risk of proving not reading the deck fully but as it 1005 01:03:47,890 --> 01:03:47,950 is important I'm just trying again. 1006 01:03:47,950 --> 01:03:47,105 This is not about warding contracts to the physical people 1007 01:03:47,105 --> 01:03:49,438 company who actually puts this stuff in is that correct? 1008 01:03:49,438 --> 01:03:51,438 >> Not necessarily. 1009 01:04:03,776 --> 01:04:06,776 We are approving pre-construction design 1010 01:04:13,765 --> 01:04:14,890 essentially services today. 1011 01:04:14,890 --> 01:04:14,896 GE Dunn will construct this project. 1012 01:04:14,896 --> 01:04:14,903 They will also select and bid out 1013 01:04:14,903 --> 01:04:14,911 other Subconsultants for that for the future phases 1014 01:04:14,911 --> 01:04:14,916 like mechanical contractor electrical contractor 1015 01:04:14,916 --> 01:04:14,925 but we are selecting them today to actually facilitate 1016 01:04:14,925 --> 01:04:14,929 the build of this. 1017 01:04:14,929 --> 01:04:14,940 We have yet to work through what they will be self-performing 1018 01:04:14,940 --> 01:04:14,948 and they will have to compete for any 1019 01:04:14,948 --> 01:04:14,955 of that self-performed work in the future. 1020 01:04:14,955 --> 01:04:16,788 We are selecting them today as a contractor. 1021 01:04:16,788 --> 01:04:23,388 >> The word contractor is very broad which is why I'm trying 1022 01:04:54,350 --> 01:04:56,850 to specify to what exactly is done here and what I think you 1023 01:04:56,850 --> 01:04:56,862 are saying that as to someone putting a pipe in the ground 1024 01:04:56,862 --> 01:04:56,872 that that part is subject to the state bidding process. 1025 01:04:56,872 --> 01:04:56,878 They can bid themselves and obviously 1026 01:04:56,878 --> 01:04:56,890 have an advantage from where they are but that piece of it 1027 01:04:56,890 --> 01:04:59,390 is done within the state statute of bidding is that correct? 1028 01:04:59,390 --> 01:05:04,790 >> Chair Lawrence Commissioners that is correct but I will 1029 01:05:31,698 --> 01:05:33,531 provide you a little bit better explanation. 1030 01:05:33,531 --> 01:05:33,542 J.E. Dunn is being brought in they will manage the project 1031 01:05:33,542 --> 01:05:33,553 to make sure the project gets built as it is designed 1032 01:05:33,553 --> 01:05:33,558 as it is put forward. 1033 01:05:33,558 --> 01:05:33,569 As a part of that J.E. Dunn as a construction company 1034 01:05:33,569 --> 01:05:33,575 there is going to be bids. 1035 01:05:33,575 --> 01:05:33,586 There is going to be low price bids put out there. 1036 01:05:33,586 --> 01:05:33,593 Je Dunn themselves will have to compete 1037 01:05:33,593 --> 01:05:33,602 with other companies that want to submit public improvement 1038 01:05:33,602 --> 01:05:33,605 bids that way. 1039 01:05:33,605 --> 01:05:33,618 J.E. Dunn actually has to get their bid in a couple of days 1040 01:05:33,618 --> 01:05:33,628 before the bids would be due because we don't want 1041 01:05:33,628 --> 01:05:33,639 any kind of a favoritism that would be happening so therefore 1042 01:05:33,639 --> 01:05:33,649 their bid comes in before the rest of the bids 1043 01:05:33,649 --> 01:05:33,657 come in they will be competing with others. 1044 01:05:33,657 --> 01:05:33,665 J.E. Dunn will take that in and they 1045 01:05:33,665 --> 01:05:33,674 will put that as part of their construction management. 1046 01:05:33,674 --> 01:05:33,685 They have already got a pricing that they will put together 1047 01:05:33,685 --> 01:05:33,691 before they put their bid in. 1048 01:05:33,691 --> 01:05:33,703 That will mean that that pricing is actually a little bit lower 1049 01:05:33,703 --> 01:05:33,708 from a public bid standpoint. 1050 01:05:33,708 --> 01:05:33,715 There may be some savings in that. 1051 01:05:33,715 --> 01:05:33,723 We will see how that goes but Jordan 1052 01:05:33,723 --> 01:05:33,733 is going to know quite a bit of the documents 1053 01:05:33,733 --> 01:05:33,744 so they do have a little bit more of an advantage 1054 01:05:33,744 --> 01:05:33,751 because they may understand it and price 1055 01:05:33,751 --> 01:05:34,709 it a little bit easier. 1056 01:05:34,709 --> 01:05:42,509 >> I heard what you said okay I think I heard what you said 1057 01:06:53,693 --> 01:06:56,151 but when you hear words you don't necessarily the same way. 1058 01:06:56,151 --> 01:06:56,164 So I will try it back which is that the physical work which 1059 01:06:56,164 --> 01:06:56,173 would fall within the normal state rules forbidding they 1060 01:06:56,173 --> 01:06:56,183 can bid but others can bid and you described what 1061 01:06:56,183 --> 01:06:56,192 may be the advantages to that which I find 1062 01:06:56,192 --> 01:06:56,200 interesting relative to the state's desire to have 1063 01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:56,204 a public bidding process. 1064 01:06:56,204 --> 01:06:56,215 Because I have now read that this is a special statute 1065 01:06:56,215 --> 01:06:56,220 for this type of work. 1066 01:06:56,220 --> 01:06:56,230 I think I get this type of work and I 1067 01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:56,242 think I get a lot of work which has to be done 1068 01:06:56,242 --> 01:06:56,248 to manage this part of work. 1069 01:06:56,248 --> 01:06:56,255 What we are agreeing to price now 1070 01:06:56,255 --> 01:06:56,264 is the early part of this type of work 1071 01:06:56,264 --> 01:06:56,272 and the rest of this type of work 1072 01:06:56,272 --> 01:06:56,281 is going to get negotiated as we work through. 1073 01:06:56,281 --> 01:06:56,289 Now for the third type of work involved 1074 01:06:56,289 --> 01:06:56,298 in that who describes the totality of the request 1075 01:06:56,298 --> 01:06:56,310 and the CIP which goes to the board here is that Jordan 1076 01:06:56,310 --> 01:06:56,321 or is that Max staff or who does do you remember 1077 01:06:56,321 --> 01:06:56,324 the concentric circles? 1078 01:06:56,324 --> 01:06:57,657 Who lines up the outside circle? 1079 01:06:57,657 --> 01:07:04,857 >> J.E. Dunn as part of the contract will required to follow 1080 01:08:48,349 --> 01:08:49,682 the bidding statutes in fashion. 1081 01:08:49,682 --> 01:08:49,696 Those bids would in to J.E. MacK will be participating them 1082 01:08:49,696 --> 01:08:49,705 especially for projects where J.E. Dunn going 1083 01:08:49,705 --> 01:08:49,720 to be their own internal quote. would see those and the bids 1084 01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:49,733 be awarded from that. particular dollar amount those bids are 1085 01:08:49,733 --> 01:08:49,746 already in what J.E. would be providing to Those bids 1086 01:08:49,746 --> 01:08:49,758 wouldn't back to the Commission we are having Dunn 1087 01:08:49,758 --> 01:08:51,841 and then the itself is awarding as opposed to J.E. 1088 01:08:51,841 --> 01:08:57,841 >> It's about the document that we will approve in December 1089 01:09:32,807 --> 01:09:33,849 of the CIP going forward. 1090 01:09:33,849 --> 01:09:33,857 That will be a particular slice of it 1091 01:09:33,857 --> 01:09:33,864 and will that slice be precisely what 1092 01:09:33,864 --> 01:09:33,873 J.D. Dunn says it ought to be within this 1093 01:09:33,873 --> 01:09:33,884 or will MacK management say we've heard what J.D. Dunn said. 1094 01:09:33,884 --> 01:09:33,895 We are just going to put a little bit larger just 1095 01:09:33,895 --> 01:09:35,478 to maybe these construction estimates. 1096 01:09:35,478 --> 01:09:37,478 >> Chair Lawrence commissioners. 1097 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:13,990 The upcoming CIP will have a dollar amount 1098 01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:14,100 that Bridget and her staff will be working through and forward 1099 01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:14,200 with. 1100 01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:14,900 We won't know the final amounts yet 1101 01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:14,160 until that guaranteed maximum price comes back 1102 01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:14,190 to the Commission. 1103 01:10:14,190 --> 01:10:14,330 Right now I believe we are looking at the end of 27 or 28 1104 01:10:14,330 --> 01:10:14,410 when that particular CIP request or the dollar 1105 01:10:14,410 --> 01:10:14,480 amounts from the GMP will be offset 1106 01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:15,631 with the CIP but Bridget and her staff 1107 01:10:15,631 --> 01:10:20,431 will be able to continue to monitor that 1108 01:10:45,608 --> 01:10:48,275 >> So it won't be this December but some December after the J.D. 1109 01:10:48,275 --> 01:10:49,275 Dunn work has been done? 1110 01:10:49,275 --> 01:10:54,750 >> Chair Lawrence commissioners yes this project will probably 1111 01:10:56,188 --> 01:10:58,688 be going on until 2032 so there may be an element to the CIP 1112 01:10:58,688 --> 01:10:58,691 that's broken out. 1113 01:10:58,691 --> 01:10:58,697 Overall Bridget and her staff will 1114 01:10:58,697 --> 01:10:58,705 be able to monitor and provide the CIP. 1115 01:10:58,705 --> 01:10:58,718 Come back to the first piece of it what we are doing here 1116 01:10:58,718 --> 01:10:58,726 this is a fixed price which certain overages 1117 01:10:58,726 --> 01:10:58,737 you can do if we tell them but they are basically 1118 01:10:58,737 --> 01:10:58,740 taking the risk. 1119 01:10:58,740 --> 01:10:58,747 If their own management some key player 1120 01:10:58,747 --> 01:10:58,760 is going to leave unless he gets a raise that is not ours? 1121 01:10:58,760 --> 01:10:59,760 They are locked into it? 1122 01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:05,760 >> Chair Lawrence commissioners you have hit on they are going 1123 01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,759 to give us a dollar amount that we approve which is a guaranteed 1124 01:11:43,759 --> 01:11:43,769 maximum price or some interims as well but they take 1125 01:11:43,769 --> 01:11:43,781 on the risk that that cost may be higher and that is 1126 01:11:43,781 --> 01:11:44,489 the at risk part. 1127 01:11:44,489 --> 01:11:50,489 >> You have been very helpful and very thorough in that 1128 01:12:01,283 --> 01:12:01,783 answer. 1129 01:12:01,783 --> 01:12:01,793 I just had a chance to look through it quickly. 1130 01:12:01,793 --> 01:12:01,801 Had you not done line by line earlier 1131 01:12:01,801 --> 01:12:01,807 and made a fool of myself. 1132 01:12:01,807 --> 01:12:01,812 But unfortunately the snarky response 1133 01:12:01,812 --> 01:12:01,823 would have been even worse than the one very thoughtful kind 1134 01:12:01,823 --> 01:12:01,830 careful one that was given but what 1135 01:12:01,830 --> 01:12:01,839 you have said now is a very very helpful 1136 01:12:01,839 --> 01:12:03,600 in getting me to understand. 1137 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,600 >> Thank you chair. 1138 01:12:23,588 --> 01:12:28,388 Would you like to add a little comment? 1139 01:12:34,466 --> 01:12:36,866 >> Thank you Chair Ginsberg. 1140 01:12:39,743 --> 01:12:41,618 I was able to participate in the process here 1141 01:12:41,618 --> 01:12:41,631 and sat on the group that looked at the RFQ and the RFP 1142 01:12:41,631 --> 01:12:41,637 and participated in the interview process. 1143 01:12:41,637 --> 01:12:41,648 Bridget you have selected the right person to do the work. 1144 01:12:41,648 --> 01:12:41,658 Ashley you have done a terrific job in your leadership 1145 01:12:41,658 --> 01:12:41,667 through this process and I thank you for that. 1146 01:12:41,667 --> 01:12:41,676 There is a lot of hard work to come 1147 01:12:41,676 --> 01:12:41,686 but you have really done a great job leading us 1148 01:12:41,686 --> 01:12:41,689 through this process. 1149 01:12:41,689 --> 01:12:41,696 I support this CMAR project delivery method. 1150 01:12:41,696 --> 01:12:41,708 I think it is the right thing for this very large project. 1151 01:12:41,708 --> 01:12:41,716 We had six firms that we started with. 1152 01:12:41,716 --> 01:12:41,722 We got it down to three. 1153 01:12:41,722 --> 01:12:41,734 All three of those would have done a terrific job for us 1154 01:12:41,734 --> 01:12:41,746 but I think we picked the firm that best fits for MacK. 1155 01:12:41,746 --> 01:12:41,756 I went back and looked at some of my notes 1156 01:12:41,756 --> 01:12:41,764 from earlier as we went through the process 1157 01:12:41,764 --> 01:12:41,772 and I just wrote a few things down. 1158 01:12:41,772 --> 01:12:41,777 Built around trustful team alignment. 1159 01:12:41,777 --> 01:12:41,782 Budget confidence trusted partner collaboration 1160 01:12:41,782 --> 01:12:41,786 transparency communication airport experience. 1161 01:12:41,786 --> 01:12:41,796 Just some of my notes as I had written down 1162 01:12:41,796 --> 01:12:41,803 as we were going through the process 1163 01:12:41,803 --> 01:12:41,809 and finally selecting g e done. 1164 01:12:41,809 --> 01:12:41,815 Roy said Roy said something earlier. 1165 01:12:41,815 --> 01:12:41,821 They stood out from the bunch. 1166 01:12:41,821 --> 01:12:41,830 I think JT Dunn stood out from the bunch 1167 01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:41,839 as we finally settled on them as the contractor. 1168 01:12:41,839 --> 01:12:41,847 They have done terrific work around our state. 1169 01:12:41,847 --> 01:12:41,855 Finished a big steam plant here in town 1170 01:12:41,855 --> 01:12:41,864 recently so we know they can do the work 1171 01:12:41,864 --> 01:12:41,875 and they have done a lot of work at the airport 1172 01:12:41,875 --> 01:12:41,879 here over the years. 1173 01:12:41,879 --> 01:12:41,891 This is a whole different thing than what they have done here 1174 01:12:41,891 --> 01:12:41,895 and she is right. 1175 01:12:41,895 --> 01:12:41,904 I called you out on this but I think 1176 01:12:41,904 --> 01:12:41,914 it is important to recognize some of the people that 1177 01:12:41,914 --> 01:12:41,916 have participated. 1178 01:12:41,916 --> 01:12:41,923 Bridget thank you for all you've done. 1179 01:12:41,923 --> 01:12:41,930 Chris thank you for all you've done. 1180 01:12:41,930 --> 01:12:41,936 As we went through the interviews 1181 01:12:41,936 --> 01:12:41,947 I was fortunate enough to sit next to Travis that day. 1182 01:12:41,947 --> 01:12:41,952 Travis is our chief engineer. 1183 01:12:41,952 --> 01:12:41,961 I don't think he is in the room today. 1184 01:12:41,961 --> 01:12:41,972 That was so good for me to sit next to him 1185 01:12:41,972 --> 01:12:41,983 because all day I kept poking him and asking him questions 1186 01:12:41,983 --> 01:12:41,993 and he is a very talented guy here at MacK. 1187 01:12:41,993 --> 01:12:41,999 We are lucky to have him. 1188 01:12:41,999 --> 01:12:42,800 John it goes without saying you show terrific leadership 1189 01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:42,100 here too. 1190 01:12:42,100 --> 01:12:42,180 I just want the group here the commissioners 1191 01:12:42,180 --> 01:12:42,310 to know that I think we have really poked at this thing hard 1192 01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:42,400 and have come with a method that is really 1193 01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:42,490 going to deliver this project in the right way 1194 01:12:42,490 --> 01:12:42,580 and we have selected the right contractor GE done. 1195 01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:42,670 I don't know if it is the right time 1196 01:12:42,670 --> 01:12:42,730 period there may be more questions 1197 01:12:42,730 --> 01:12:42,810 but I would be the one that would 1198 01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:42,920 like to move this when it comes to that because it 1199 01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:42,980 is the right contractor for us. 1200 01:12:42,980 --> 01:12:42,100 Thank you. 1201 01:12:42,100 --> 01:12:42,109 Thank you Mr. Chair this thank you Mr. Chair. 1202 01:12:42,109 --> 01:12:42,114 This is a curiosity question. 1203 01:12:42,114 --> 01:12:42,123 The RFP referenced having relevant experience of at least 1204 01:12:42,123 --> 01:12:42,127 $50 million project scope. 1205 01:12:42,127 --> 01:12:42,132 Ours approaches ten times that. 1206 01:12:42,132 --> 01:12:42,142 And the GE done there is examples of projects done. 1207 01:12:42,142 --> 01:12:42,152 I am just curious how those the scope of those 1208 01:12:42,152 --> 01:12:42,157 are in comparison to ours. 1209 01:12:42,157 --> 01:12:42,169 Do any of them approach ours or exceed and by how much? 1210 01:12:42,169 --> 01:12:42,181 The team working on this project in the past five years has 1211 01:12:42,181 --> 01:12:42,191 worked on another steam plant conversion at a local hospital 1212 01:12:42,191 --> 01:12:42,203 in our area and so we are very comfortable with them working 1213 01:12:42,203 --> 01:12:42,214 on a similar size in a similar complexity and similar phasing 1214 01:12:42,214 --> 01:12:42,225 if you think about a hospital and airport they're very similar 1215 01:12:42,225 --> 01:12:42,233 um 24 hours 24 over seven operations critical 1216 01:12:42,233 --> 01:12:42,244 infrastructure um the team that we chose worked on that project 1217 01:12:42,244 --> 01:12:42,254 together Commissioner Skoog you know one more thing Ashley you 1218 01:12:42,254 --> 01:12:42,265 just talked about the team and that was a big part 1219 01:12:42,265 --> 01:12:42,276 of our discussion you know some of the teams were more 1220 01:12:42,276 --> 01:12:42,287 fragmented some we knew were going to age out with potential 1221 01:12:42,287 --> 01:12:42,289 retirements and 1222 01:12:42,289 --> 01:12:42,300 things like that this team has worked together and that was 1223 01:12:42,300 --> 01:12:42,311 a big piece of our final decision who are we going 1224 01:12:42,311 --> 01:12:42,323 to have after a long term project you know ten years down 1225 01:12:42,323 --> 01:12:42,335 the road and they're continuing to work on this and GE done 1226 01:12:42,335 --> 01:12:42,348 stood out in that area too for us that was a good question 1227 01:12:42,348 --> 01:12:42,359 Patty and um that was something that really kept moving us 1228 01:12:42,359 --> 01:12:42,370 farther down the road with the contractor we selected any other 1229 01:12:42,370 --> 01:12:42,379 questions comments I'd second Commissioner Skoog in a also 1230 01:12:42,379 --> 01:12:42,387 want to again highlight the importance of having 1231 01:12:42,387 --> 01:12:42,395 Commissioner participation on the panel the panel was 1232 01:12:42,395 --> 01:12:42,409 outstanding but this is a big deal this is a new way of doing 1233 01:12:42,409 --> 01:12:42,418 business Ashley terrific job John and everybody a part 1234 01:12:42,418 --> 01:12:42,431 of this it's great stuff and you took the time and the effort 1235 01:12:42,431 --> 01:12:42,445 and I know this has taken some time but it deserved it so with 1236 01:12:42,445 --> 01:12:42,456 that being said Ashley did you get through the action requested 1237 01:12:42,456 --> 01:12:42,466 yes I will read the actions requested so number one 1238 01:12:42,466 --> 01:12:42,473 recommend the full commission award the contract 1239 01:12:42,473 --> 01:12:42,480 for construction manager at risk CMR Preconstruction 1240 01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:42,488 and construction services for the terminal one boiler 1241 01:12:42,488 --> 01:12:42,498 and chiller replacement and EMC expansion project to JT Dunn 1242 01:12:42,498 --> 01:12:42,506 company number two except the CMR pre-construction guaranteed 1243 01:12:42,506 --> 01:12:42,514 maximum price of $2,299,309 and number three authorize 1244 01:12:42,514 --> 01:12:42,523 the Executive director CEO or his designee to execute 1245 01:12:42,523 --> 01:12:42,529 the necessary documents chairman motion and 1246 01:12:42,529 --> 01:12:42,539 I'd like to make that motion second Skoog first O'neill 1247 01:12:42,539 --> 01:12:42,551 second all in favor say aye aye all opposed motion passes thank 1248 01:12:42,551 --> 01:12:42,561 you very much thank you and we're going to move 1249 01:12:42,561 --> 01:12:42,569 on to the next Uh part of business 1250 01:12:42,569 --> 01:12:42,580 I think that's Skylake Air Lake change the name thank you 1251 01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:42,588 Mr. Chair and Commissioners thank you for hanging 1252 01:12:42,588 --> 01:12:42,599 with us today we still have a thank you for hanging 1253 01:12:42,599 --> 01:12:42,611 with us today we still have a couple of beefy items left 1254 01:12:42,611 --> 01:12:42,614 on the agenda. 1255 01:12:42,614 --> 01:12:42,623 We are here to talk about the Air Lake 1256 01:12:42,623 --> 01:12:42,632 Airport and the environmental process that we are in. 1257 01:12:42,632 --> 01:12:42,646 A few of you may recall we have adopted a long term plan back 1258 01:12:42,646 --> 01:12:42,652 in 2018 it's been a while. 1259 01:12:42,652 --> 01:12:42,663 We put our proposed plans on hold through COVID of course 1260 01:12:42,663 --> 01:12:42,671 and then started up on the environmental process 1261 01:12:42,671 --> 01:12:42,675 a few years ago. 1262 01:12:42,675 --> 01:12:42,682 We have been dealing with the FAA 1263 01:12:42,682 --> 01:12:42,691 and some property related issues for a long time 1264 01:12:42,691 --> 01:12:42,700 but finally got them to start the time clock. 1265 01:12:42,700 --> 01:12:42,708 The FAA has a 12 month time clock. 1266 01:12:42,708 --> 01:12:42,715 Since then I think this is honestly 1267 01:12:42,715 --> 01:12:42,724 going to be the fastest E ever but it's 1268 01:12:42,724 --> 01:12:42,734 because we put in so much work ahead of time. 1269 01:12:42,734 --> 01:12:42,745 Through the slides he is going to walk through the slides 1270 01:12:42,745 --> 01:12:42,749 with his cohort Colleen. 1271 01:12:42,749 --> 01:12:42,758 Will introduce her and talk you through the process 1272 01:12:42,758 --> 01:12:42,762 where we are at. 1273 01:12:42,762 --> 01:12:42,773 And I will run you through the action at the end. 1274 01:12:42,773 --> 01:12:42,781 Thank you Bridget good morning Chair Ginsburg chair 1275 01:12:42,781 --> 01:12:42,789 it is a pleasure to be here today 1276 01:12:42,789 --> 01:12:42,798 and the assessment we have been working on their. 1277 01:12:42,798 --> 01:12:42,806 As Bridget said my name is Evan Barrett. 1278 01:12:42,806 --> 01:12:42,813 I'm the project manager in the airport 1279 01:12:42,813 --> 01:12:42,818 planner working on the project. 1280 01:12:42,818 --> 01:12:42,823 Also our stakeholder engagement coordinator. 1281 01:12:42,823 --> 01:12:42,829 There are some fairly unique aspects 1282 01:12:42,829 --> 01:12:42,833 under environmental review projects 1283 01:12:42,833 --> 01:12:42,844 that Colleen does a great job of making everything go smoothly. 1284 01:12:42,844 --> 01:12:42,854 We are going to talk about a number of things 1285 01:12:42,854 --> 01:12:42,863 today fairly quickly but first I will talk about 1286 01:12:42,863 --> 01:12:42,867 what is the project? 1287 01:12:42,867 --> 01:12:42,873 What is it trying to achieve. 1288 01:12:42,873 --> 01:12:42,879 What are the actual environmental effects 1289 01:12:42,879 --> 01:12:42,886 that we have identified and then Colleen 1290 01:12:42,886 --> 01:12:42,896 will talk a little bit about our stakeholder engagement plan 1291 01:12:42,896 --> 01:12:42,903 and our next steps for the project 1292 01:12:42,903 --> 01:12:42,914 and then Bridget will talk about our request for action today. 1293 01:12:42,914 --> 01:12:42,922 This project is fairly complex in that there 1294 01:12:42,922 --> 01:12:42,928 are a lot of different objectives 1295 01:12:42,928 --> 01:12:42,933 it is trying to achieve. 1296 01:12:42,933 --> 01:12:42,944 The purpose of the project is to reconstruct the existing runway 1297 01:12:42,944 --> 01:12:42,952 and to extend it from 4100ft to 4850ft. 1298 01:12:42,952 --> 01:12:42,962 That is an additional 750ft and the purpose of extending 1299 01:12:42,962 --> 01:12:42,972 the runway is to accommodate smaller business jet and turbo 1300 01:12:42,972 --> 01:12:42,981 aircraft that use the other relievers throughout the Max 1301 01:12:42,981 --> 01:12:42,982 system. 1302 01:12:42,982 --> 01:12:42,990 The existing runway pavement is over 30 years 1303 01:12:42,990 --> 01:12:42,998 old so the design line for airport pavement 1304 01:12:42,998 --> 01:12:43,200 is about 20 years. 1305 01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:43,900 Well overdue and the need for reconstruction. 1306 01:12:43,900 --> 01:12:43,200 Some of the are secondary of the project incompatible land uses 1307 01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:43,290 so that is the reason we are environmental assessment 1308 01:12:43,290 --> 01:12:43,360 worksheet we're mitigating a few airspace obstructions 1309 01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:43,460 there's just a handful of trees that that obstruct imaginary 1310 01:12:43,460 --> 01:12:43,570 airspace surfaces that need to be removed the project will meet 1311 01:12:43,570 --> 01:12:43,680 FAA design standards so even since 2018 when the TCP was 1312 01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:43,800 completed FAA has come up with new design standards so we took 1313 01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:43,900 another look at the proposed action from the long term 1314 01:12:43,900 --> 01:12:43,990 comprehensive plan and made some minor adjustments to accommodate 1315 01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:43,106 new FAA design standards primarily associated with 1316 01:12:43,106 --> 01:12:43,115 taxiway design there are a few minor navigational instrument 1317 01:12:43,115 --> 01:12:43,124 approach improvements that go along with extending the runway 1318 01:12:43,124 --> 01:12:43,129 that there's basically just accommodate 1319 01:12:43,129 --> 01:12:43,137 the new pavement and new thresholds nothing significantly 1320 01:12:43,137 --> 01:12:43,148 new in terms of those and then there is a component 1321 01:12:43,148 --> 01:12:43,158 of the project to expand the fixed base operator aircraft 1322 01:12:43,158 --> 01:12:43,167 parking apron which is currently undersized for the amount 1323 01:12:43,167 --> 01:12:43,178 of activity that the jets so this is a comprehensive look 1324 01:12:43,178 --> 01:12:43,190 at all of the elements of the proposed project I won't go 1325 01:12:43,190 --> 01:12:43,201 into each of them I think you the objectives covered most 1326 01:12:43,201 --> 01:12:43,212 of them in the upper right hand this this graphic is 1327 01:12:43,212 --> 01:12:43,224 in your in your meeting packet in the upper right hand corner 1328 01:12:43,224 --> 01:12:43,236 is a list of all of the different actions that are part 1329 01:12:43,236 --> 01:12:43,249 of this project and we have to kind of put together a very 1330 01:12:43,249 --> 01:12:43,258 detailed list in order to get FAA clearance environmental 1331 01:12:43,258 --> 01:12:43,268 clearance to to proceed with those project elements and this 1332 01:12:43,268 --> 01:12:43,278 this graphic here shows that the red dotted line where 1333 01:12:43,278 --> 01:12:43,286 our approximate area of ground disturbance associated with 1334 01:12:43,286 --> 01:12:43,297 the project is so we did thorough field studies for those 1335 01:12:43,297 --> 01:12:43,308 areas to make sure there was nothing that was being impacted 1336 01:12:43,308 --> 01:12:43,319 significantly um and then kind of the larger airport we looked 1337 01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:43,329 at for some of the categories such as historic structures 1338 01:12:43,329 --> 01:12:43,342 and things of that nature so um do you have any questions about 1339 01:12:43,342 --> 01:12:43,352 specific project components I'd be happy to answer those um 1340 01:12:43,352 --> 01:12:43,361 after the presentation here so the environmental review process 1341 01:12:43,361 --> 01:12:43,369 is required under both federal and state law 1342 01:12:43,369 --> 01:12:43,378 for this project so under the federal National Environmental 1343 01:12:43,378 --> 01:12:43,388 Policy Act or Nepa the FAA is the responsible agency 1344 01:12:43,388 --> 01:12:43,396 for a federal environmental assessment that must be 1345 01:12:43,396 --> 01:12:43,406 completed because it's for a number of reasons one is 1346 01:12:43,406 --> 01:12:43,414 occurring on federally obligated airport property number two 1347 01:12:43,414 --> 01:12:43,424 requires an update to the airport layout plan and number 1348 01:12:43,424 --> 01:12:43,434 three there's federal funding that the Mac will be seeking 1349 01:12:43,434 --> 01:12:43,442 for project that requires the federal environmental assessment 1350 01:12:43,442 --> 01:12:43,452 as well and then under the state Minnesota Environmental Policy 1351 01:12:43,452 --> 01:12:43,463 Act or Nepa there is also what's called the State Environmental 1352 01:12:43,463 --> 01:12:43,472 Assessment Worksheet and the Mac itself is the responsible 1353 01:12:43,472 --> 01:12:43,483 government unit for that and EAW so several months from now 1354 01:12:43,483 --> 01:12:43,489 we'll talk about we'll come back 1355 01:12:43,489 --> 01:12:43,500 to the committee with the Mac's finding for approval under that 1356 01:12:43,500 --> 01:12:43,509 state law so we're completing both of those processes 1357 01:12:43,509 --> 01:12:43,517 concurrently in a combined document that addresses all 1358 01:12:43,517 --> 01:12:43,528 of the requirements of both laws um here's our projected timeline 1359 01:12:43,528 --> 01:12:43,685 so we are um nearing the end of the preparation of the draft EA 1360 01:12:43,685 --> 01:12:46,519 we intend to publish later this month we just completed a legal 1361 01:12:46,519 --> 01:12:48,977 sufficiency review with the Federal Aviation Administration 1362 01:12:48,977 --> 01:12:52,410 last week so we're making some final adjustments based 1363 01:12:52,410 --> 01:12:54,897 on the FAA general counsel comments that we received 1364 01:12:54,897 --> 01:12:57,787 so that everything is all buttoned up for the publication 1365 01:12:57,787 --> 01:13:00,155 um and then again as Colin mentioned or talked about we 1366 01:13:00,155 --> 01:13:02,447 will have a public meeting and some other opportunities 1367 01:13:02,447 --> 01:13:07,500 for input coming up so the general method 1368 01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:09,457 so the general method of determining 1369 01:13:09,457 --> 01:13:11,297 environmental effects under Mepa is you 1370 01:13:11,297 --> 01:13:14,537 have a preferred alternative and you compare it to a no action 1371 01:13:14,537 --> 01:13:16,809 alternative and you look at the marginal change 1372 01:13:16,809 --> 01:13:18,569 between no action and preferred. 1373 01:13:18,569 --> 01:13:21,910 Are no action alternative for this project under the EA 1374 01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:24,825 is just reconstructing the runway as is. 1375 01:13:24,825 --> 01:13:28,217 Compare with the impacts of that would be to the runway 1376 01:13:28,217 --> 01:13:30,577 and all of the other things that are proposed. 1377 01:13:30,577 --> 01:13:33,817 As it says here no action alternative. 1378 01:13:33,817 --> 01:13:37,777 Maintain the existing airfield and runway lengths 1379 01:13:37,777 --> 01:13:41,243 this is a list of all of our environmental resources 1380 01:13:41,243 --> 01:13:45,145 in a fair amount of detail and all of these 1381 01:13:45,145 --> 01:13:48,337 are regulated under various special purpose laws. 1382 01:13:48,337 --> 01:13:51,365 The Mepa is the umbrella law if you 1383 01:13:51,365 --> 01:13:56,617 will so for the Clean Air Act we do an air quality emissions 1384 01:13:56,617 --> 01:14:01,417 inventory to determine when national air quality standards. 1385 01:14:02,337 --> 01:14:05,970 Under FAA guidance and we determined 1386 01:14:05,970 --> 01:14:07,529 that there is no significant impact aircraft 1387 01:14:07,529 --> 01:14:09,265 noise for the project. 1388 01:14:09,265 --> 01:14:12,990 There are a few listed species that we did studies 1389 01:14:12,990 --> 01:14:16,377 for particularly related to the tree removal 1390 01:14:16,377 --> 01:14:20,257 because there are some endangered bats during removal 1391 01:14:20,257 --> 01:14:21,187 of those trees. 1392 01:14:21,187 --> 01:14:24,597 There is a small amount of farmland conversion on airport 1393 01:14:24,597 --> 01:14:28,257 property which is regulated by the Farmland Protection Policy 1394 01:14:28,257 --> 01:14:29,900 Act. 1395 01:14:29,900 --> 01:14:33,528 Are not significant there is a number of federal laws 1396 01:14:33,528 --> 01:14:35,361 we have to look at hazardous materials sites 1397 01:14:35,361 --> 01:14:37,736 and make sure there's none of those sites being disturbed 1398 01:14:37,736 --> 01:14:41,427 by the project there are not any based on our studies. 1399 01:14:41,427 --> 01:14:44,572 Coordinate with the State Historic Preservation Office 1400 01:14:44,572 --> 01:14:47,197 which we've done as part of this project to establish there are 1401 01:14:47,197 --> 01:14:51,497 no significant historical um resources that are affected 1402 01:14:51,497 --> 01:14:54,737 by the project land use compatibility we took a look 1403 01:14:54,737 --> 01:14:57,977 at what the new airport zoning will be for the runway a Mac 1404 01:14:57,977 --> 01:15:01,669 Planning and Development intends to do a new airport zoning 1405 01:15:01,669 --> 01:15:03,877 ordinance following the environmental assessment kind 1406 01:15:03,877 --> 01:15:06,190 of concurrent with the design and construction of the project 1407 01:15:06,190 --> 01:15:08,491 there is currently not an airport zoning ordinance now 1408 01:15:08,491 --> 01:15:11,241 so that's something that we kind of take an initial look at with 1409 01:15:11,241 --> 01:15:13,868 the environmental assessment under the Clean Water Act we 1410 01:15:13,868 --> 01:15:16,983 have to do a wetland delineation there are about a half acre of 1411 01:15:16,983 --> 01:15:19,989 wetland impacts associated with the project and that's a stream 1412 01:15:19,989 --> 01:15:22,697 that you see here in the picture that is on airport property this 1413 01:15:22,697 --> 01:15:25,777 is an intermittent stream so it's only only has water in it 1414 01:15:25,777 --> 01:15:29,617 during the spring thaw and major storm events so there aren't any 1415 01:15:29,617 --> 01:15:32,229 significant um you know aquatic resources associated with 1416 01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:34,729 the stream we've been working very closely with our partners 1417 01:15:34,729 --> 01:15:37,669 at the Army Corps of Engineers Minnesota DNR and other state 1418 01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:40,169 and federal agencies as well as the local Watershed District 1419 01:15:40,169 --> 01:15:43,593 to make sure that we're getting their input on how the stream 1420 01:15:43,593 --> 01:15:47,617 relocation will occur um and we worked with SE on a alternatives 1421 01:15:47,617 --> 01:15:50,137 analysis because they're the design engineer as well as the 1422 01:15:50,137 --> 01:15:52,797 environmental compliance consultant for the Mac Terracon 1423 01:15:52,797 --> 01:15:55,897 on a comparative stormwater analysis to make sure there's no 1424 01:15:55,897 --> 01:15:59,290 change in the water quality and then finally there are a few 1425 01:15:59,290 --> 01:16:01,457 things with the state requirements that we also have 1426 01:16:01,457 --> 01:16:04,177 to do in terms of a climate assessment and looking 1427 01:16:04,177 --> 01:16:06,857 at cumulative potential effects of this project with other 1428 01:16:06,857 --> 01:16:09,797 projects on the airport that are planned and other projects 1429 01:16:09,797 --> 01:16:13,170 in the community so those are things that are part of this 1430 01:16:13,170 --> 01:16:16,621 document as well so with that I'll hand it to Colleen thank 1431 01:16:16,621 --> 01:16:19,560 you Evan nice to be here with you all today thank you Evan 1432 01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:21,730 nice to be here with you all today I wanted to talk a little 1433 01:16:21,730 --> 01:16:22,230 bit about 1434 01:16:22,230 --> 01:16:23,357 our engagement plan. 1435 01:16:23,357 --> 01:16:25,913 We worked with Michelle Ross and her group 1436 01:16:25,913 --> 01:16:29,397 to develop a stakeholder engagement plan that was right 1437 01:16:29,397 --> 01:16:31,837 sized for air like airport central component 1438 01:16:31,837 --> 01:16:36,397 to our engagement plan was an agency Technical advisory panel. 1439 01:16:36,397 --> 01:16:39,433 We wanted to proactively engage with the agencies who 1440 01:16:39,433 --> 01:16:43,367 would have a role in ensuring that the location would 1441 01:16:43,367 --> 01:16:46,377 be permissible and acceptable to all of those groups. 1442 01:16:46,377 --> 01:16:50,297 We have coordinated with the DNR and the Army Corps of Engineers 1443 01:16:50,297 --> 01:16:55,970 and the township and the watershed several US 1444 01:16:55,307 --> 01:16:59,970 federal agencies such as Fish and Wildlife. 1445 01:16:59,970 --> 01:17:01,929 USDA Wildlife Services and the EPA. 1446 01:17:01,929 --> 01:17:03,392 We've been meeting with that group 1447 01:17:03,392 --> 01:17:04,767 and coordinating with that group. 1448 01:17:04,767 --> 01:17:06,997 We have met with them twice so far. 1449 01:17:06,997 --> 01:17:10,409 We are scheduled to hold a third meeting in October with them. 1450 01:17:10,409 --> 01:17:13,477 In addition to that we have several individual agency 1451 01:17:13,477 --> 01:17:16,357 meetings to make sure everybody is coming along 1452 01:17:16,357 --> 01:17:19,409 and we have any concerns covered with our plan. 1453 01:17:19,409 --> 01:17:21,297 And then additional correspondence 1454 01:17:21,297 --> 01:17:24,993 as we have provided some of our interim documents 1455 01:17:24,993 --> 01:17:27,590 to them for their review and comment. 1456 01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:29,977 All of this to make sure that we are getting ahead 1457 01:17:29,977 --> 01:17:32,403 of any questions or concerns so that when 1458 01:17:32,403 --> 01:17:34,681 we get to the public comment period 1459 01:17:34,681 --> 01:17:37,857 we are not surprised by anything that these agencies might 1460 01:17:37,857 --> 01:17:39,277 have to say. 1461 01:17:39,277 --> 01:17:43,184 In addition to that we were there in June 1462 01:17:43,184 --> 01:17:44,962 and we will be back there this Thursday 1463 01:17:44,962 --> 01:17:47,163 to give them an update following that meeting 1464 01:17:47,163 --> 01:17:50,337 we will have a public open house at City Hall following 1465 01:17:50,337 --> 01:17:54,537 that is again this Thursday from 6 to 7. 1466 01:17:55,731 --> 01:18:00,561 And then we will be looking toward our public comment period 1467 01:18:00,561 --> 01:18:04,743 which is planned from September 20th 9th to October 30th that 1468 01:18:04,743 --> 01:18:08,777 will be an opportunity from the public to review the document 1469 01:18:08,777 --> 01:18:11,345 and share any comments questions or concerns that they have 1470 01:18:11,345 --> 01:18:14,217 on the document period during the public comment period we 1471 01:18:14,217 --> 01:18:18,100 will be looking to hold a public meeting and to support all 1472 01:18:18,100 --> 01:18:20,609 of this we have worked with Michelle and the marketing group 1473 01:18:20,609 --> 01:18:23,217 to put together a project website that has a lot 1474 01:18:23,217 --> 01:18:26,227 of information that we have been working on. 1475 01:18:26,227 --> 01:18:30,170 Our next steps so our next steps from this as I mentioned 1476 01:18:30,170 --> 01:18:34,257 the public meeting this week and then pending Mac Commission 1477 01:18:34,257 --> 01:18:38,891 approval on September 22nd we will be publishing our draft de 1478 01:18:38,891 --> 01:18:44,690 a a W which would run September 29th through October 30th. 1479 01:18:44,690 --> 01:18:50,142 Again the public hearing at PD n e on Monday October 5th and then 1480 01:18:50,142 --> 01:18:55,900 later in the year we would be back once we finalize submitted 1481 01:18:55,900 --> 01:19:00,460 that to the FAA wait for their finding and then we will be back 1482 01:19:00,460 --> 01:19:03,423 looking for the Mac decision on the EAW document. 1483 01:19:03,423 --> 01:19:07,297 With that I will turn it back to Bridget. 1484 01:19:07,297 --> 01:19:13,897 >> Yes thank you very much and so with that the request 1485 01:32:24,756 --> 01:32:27,600 for today is to get the authority to publish the draft 1486 01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:27,180 document and put that out on the street for a public written 1487 01:32:27,180 --> 01:32:27,190 period. 1488 01:32:27,190 --> 01:32:27,260 Designate this group as the hearing officers 1489 01:32:27,260 --> 01:32:27,360 as we typically do for any of the environmental assessment 1490 01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:27,400 worksheets that we do. 1491 01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:27,500 At your meeting in October and then authorize the Executive 1492 01:32:27,500 --> 01:32:27,600 Director CEO for his designee to execute the necessary documents 1493 01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:27,690 does anybody have any questions Commissioner school thank you 1494 01:32:27,690 --> 01:32:27,790 chair Bridget I asked this question once before but I 1495 01:32:27,790 --> 01:32:27,890 don't remember exactly the the answer um we're going off 1496 01:32:27,890 --> 01:32:27,102 to 4850 on the runway length and I think it was the roadway 1497 01:32:27,102 --> 01:32:27,114 to the south east corner there that prevents us from going out 1498 01:32:27,114 --> 01:32:27,126 to the state maximum of 5000 what is that 150 foot shortfall 1499 01:32:27,126 --> 01:32:27,135 limit us on aircraft for the future um Chair 1500 01:32:27,135 --> 01:32:27,144 and commissioners so in the airport planning business we 1501 01:32:27,144 --> 01:32:27,156 refer to 5000ft as kind of a magic number for certain types 1502 01:32:27,156 --> 01:32:27,160 of aircraft operators and 1503 01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:27,169 that's kind of driven by insurance requirements for some 1504 01:32:27,169 --> 01:32:27,178 of the more demanding and expensive types aircraft types 1505 01:32:27,178 --> 01:32:27,190 um so 5000ft is a significant number in terms of the ability 1506 01:32:27,190 --> 01:32:27,199 of some aircraft operators particularly those with you know 1507 01:32:27,199 --> 01:32:27,211 a certain insurance policies to use the airport um so there is 1508 01:32:27,211 --> 01:32:27,222 a limitation there however you know the intent of this project 1509 01:32:27,222 --> 01:32:27,232 is really to accommodate some of those smaller business jet 1510 01:32:27,232 --> 01:32:27,244 and turboprop aircraft um and you know so that Air Lake really 1511 01:32:27,244 --> 01:32:27,258 is you know not one of the I forget the exact term it's one 1512 01:32:27,258 --> 01:32:27,270 of the smaller relievers in the system this would be the longest 1513 01:32:27,270 --> 01:32:27,280 runway at any of the three smaller relievers Lake Elmo 1514 01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:27,288 Crystal or Lake um and we do expect 1515 01:32:27,288 --> 01:32:27,297 that there will be a significant increase in activity 1516 01:32:27,297 --> 01:32:27,303 at the airport because there will 1517 01:32:27,303 --> 01:32:27,309 be you know significant operational improvements 1518 01:32:27,309 --> 01:32:27,321 with that additional length for a lot of users who would like 1519 01:32:27,321 --> 01:32:27,333 to use the airport today but can't so a follow up question 1520 01:32:27,333 --> 01:32:27,344 are we hoping in the future that this takes some pressure 1521 01:32:27,344 --> 01:32:27,353 off flying cloud that is part of the that 1522 01:32:27,353 --> 01:32:27,366 is part of the purpose of the project is to kind of spread 1523 01:32:27,366 --> 01:32:27,372 the activity across the reliever system 1524 01:32:27,372 --> 01:32:27,381 that minimizes congestion both near and on the ground. 1525 01:32:27,381 --> 01:32:27,394 I just want to add to that thank you Mr. Chair I just 1526 01:32:27,394 --> 01:32:27,399 want to add to that. 1527 01:32:27,399 --> 01:32:27,410 System and so the way that this project is laid out 1528 01:32:27,410 --> 01:32:27,421 is we're able to maintain that system in its current location 1529 01:32:27,421 --> 01:32:27,431 um and because this airport has that opportunity for instrument 1530 01:32:27,431 --> 01:32:27,438 landing practice primarily for pilots and things 1531 01:32:27,438 --> 01:32:27,449 that it will be a an excellent um I don't want 1532 01:32:27,449 --> 01:32:27,457 to say replacement but substitute for those wanting 1533 01:32:27,457 --> 01:32:27,470 to fly in and out of flying cloud okay that's helpful I just 1534 01:32:27,470 --> 01:32:27,480 wanted to add okay that's helpful I had to ask 1535 01:32:27,480 --> 01:32:27,486 the question about 4850 versus 5000 1536 01:32:27,486 --> 01:32:27,496 and make sure that we are not being short sighted 1537 01:32:27,496 --> 01:32:27,509 and not going out where we are going to wish that we had 1538 01:32:27,509 --> 01:32:27,515 5 or 10 years from now. 1539 01:32:27,515 --> 01:32:27,524 Because we can't get the aircraft into the air 1540 01:32:27,524 --> 01:32:27,530 like that we wish we could. 1541 01:32:27,530 --> 01:32:27,544 If I may chair and commissioners um so that was looked at as part 1542 01:32:27,544 --> 01:32:27,553 of the long term comprehensive plan relocating Cedar Avenue 1543 01:32:27,553 --> 01:32:27,564 so it's Cedar Avenue that's on is kind of limiting factor 1544 01:32:27,564 --> 01:32:27,576 on the east side and it's a railroad on the west side 1545 01:32:27,576 --> 01:32:27,586 that's a limiting factor that's really you know driving that 1546 01:32:27,586 --> 01:32:27,597 4850 length Uh the railroad is not going to move moving 1547 01:32:27,597 --> 01:32:27,609 a railroad to do an act of Congress from what I understand 1548 01:32:27,609 --> 01:32:27,619 um moving Cedar Avenue it's possible is it feasible probably 1549 01:32:27,619 --> 01:32:27,629 not Cedar Avenue is a major thoroughfare for the county 1550 01:32:27,629 --> 01:32:27,642 and the city um and relocating it they have plans to expand it 1551 01:32:27,642 --> 01:32:27,650 to four lanes at some point in the 1552 01:32:27,650 --> 01:32:27,660 future through this area um relocating it would just be 1553 01:32:27,660 --> 01:32:27,670 quite the undertaking um and there has been a lot 1554 01:32:27,670 --> 01:32:27,680 of development along the Cedar Avenue corridor since the LTC 1555 01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:27,693 was completed um such that um you know the real estate in that 1556 01:32:27,693 --> 01:32:27,705 area has really increased in value to a point where you know 1557 01:32:27,705 --> 01:32:27,719 it's it's a huge would be a huge loss to the community in terms 1558 01:32:27,719 --> 01:32:27,731 of you know the economy to to develop that for another purpose 1559 01:32:27,731 --> 01:32:27,742 thank you um I have a question so we're anticipating more 1560 01:32:27,742 --> 01:32:27,755 activity do we have any sense of where the community is have we 1561 01:32:27,755 --> 01:32:27,766 heard issues or is that the public hearing we'll hear about 1562 01:32:27,766 --> 01:32:27,770 right so chair we 1563 01:32:27,770 --> 01:32:27,780 are again as Colleen talked about holding a public meeting 1564 01:32:27,780 --> 01:32:27,788 on Thursday um we don't anticipate any significant 1565 01:32:27,788 --> 01:32:27,799 controversy this airport is in a fairly either you know rural 1566 01:32:27,799 --> 01:32:27,811 to the south it's industrial and commercial to the north you know 1567 01:32:27,811 --> 01:32:27,824 there are no you know residents that we expect to have any um 1568 01:32:27,824 --> 01:32:27,835 we'll find out obviously at the meeting and at the public 1569 01:32:27,835 --> 01:32:27,845 hearing but we don't expect there to be any significant 1570 01:32:27,845 --> 01:32:27,856 controversy or opposition to the project based on what we know 1571 01:32:27,856 --> 01:32:27,868 today any other questions can I get a motion and a second 1572 01:32:27,868 --> 01:32:27,875 I'll move second Commissioner and Commissioner Garland 1573 01:32:27,875 --> 01:32:27,887 for second all in favor aye aye opposed motion passes thank you 1574 01:32:27,887 --> 01:32:27,890 thank you thank 1575 01:32:27,890 --> 01:32:27,901 you now we'll move to the next business item this preliminary 1576 01:32:27,901 --> 01:32:27,910 CIP program Bridget I assume that's Heather okay Good 1577 01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:27,919 afternoon now forgive me Uh Chair Ginsberg chair Lawrence 1578 01:32:27,919 --> 01:32:27,928 commissioners I am for the record Heather lady director 1579 01:32:27,928 --> 01:32:27,936 of airport development project initiation we have new 1580 01:32:27,936 --> 01:32:27,948 microphones and they're a little funky um I wanted to start today 1581 01:32:27,948 --> 01:32:27,959 I'm here today to present our preliminary CIP for the 2027 1582 01:32:27,959 --> 01:32:27,970 to 2033 segment and I wanted to start with an orientation 1583 01:32:27,970 --> 01:32:27,981 to the information in your packet and some of the slides 1584 01:32:27,981 --> 01:32:27,994 that we have today um it'll be a refresher for some of you 1585 01:32:27,994 --> 01:32:28,500 who've been around for a while and Uh introduction to some 1586 01:32:28,500 --> 01:32:28,100 of the new members of 1587 01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:28,220 our committee um I know that this is a pretty dense item 1588 01:32:28,220 --> 01:32:28,330 in our packet and so some orientation to what we have 1589 01:32:28,330 --> 01:32:28,460 in front of you I think can be helpful for you in understanding 1590 01:32:28,460 --> 01:32:28,610 what it is we're in front of you with um so we have this seven 1591 01:32:28,610 --> 01:32:28,720 year cycle that we develop annually um seven year plan that 1592 01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:28,850 we do on an annual cycle forgive me um early spring we receive 1593 01:32:28,850 --> 01:32:28,950 project proposals from staff from stakeholders um from my own 1594 01:32:28,950 --> 01:32:28,103 staff and colleagues on airport development updating information 1595 01:32:28,103 --> 01:32:28,112 as they're working on projects they're discovering things that 1596 01:32:28,112 --> 01:32:28,126 we need to address things like that all of that comes in to me 1597 01:32:28,126 --> 01:32:28,130 and my small but 1598 01:32:28,130 --> 01:32:28,143 mighty team um to vet Uh new scope and um start to put 1599 01:32:28,143 --> 01:32:28,152 together estimates and assemble this preliminary draft we bring 1600 01:32:28,152 --> 01:32:28,164 that to you in September um and sorry sorry just before this 1601 01:32:28,164 --> 01:32:28,173 we're starting our CIP working group cross functional group 1602 01:32:28,173 --> 01:32:28,185 with our staff to all of my staff to work through what 1603 01:32:28,185 --> 01:32:28,195 our priorities are what our urgencies are are there things 1604 01:32:28,195 --> 01:32:28,206 we've missed all of that um after we formalize this draft 1605 01:32:28,206 --> 01:32:28,216 and bring it to you then we're collaborating with finance 1606 01:32:28,216 --> 01:32:28,226 and grants in developing our final draft making sure that 1607 01:32:28,226 --> 01:32:28,233 we're aligning fiscal capability with the needs 1608 01:32:28,233 --> 01:32:28,240 and the Prioritizations we're also running through 1609 01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:28,248 the assessment of environmental effects process which Bridget 1610 01:32:28,248 --> 01:32:28,250 will address 1611 01:32:28,250 --> 01:32:28,258 after me um the effect of municipalities review 1612 01:32:28,258 --> 01:32:28,268 and comment period met Council has some review um opportunities 1613 01:32:28,268 --> 01:32:28,280 in here as well as going through a list of project labor 1614 01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:28,288 agreement recommendations for which projects we recommend that 1615 01:32:28,288 --> 01:32:28,302 we do I expect to bring that to you in December with the final 1616 01:32:28,302 --> 01:32:28,312 draft sometimes we come in October with the PLA list 1617 01:32:28,312 --> 01:32:28,325 and this round I expect it to be more the typical December um 1618 01:32:28,325 --> 01:32:28,337 and forgive me I'm speeding up a little bit because I know 1619 01:32:28,337 --> 01:32:28,350 in between you and lunch so if at any point you're like wait 1620 01:32:28,350 --> 01:32:28,362 you sort of said something but didn't get all the way through 1621 01:32:28,362 --> 01:32:28,370 feel free to raise your hand and ask 1622 01:32:28,370 --> 01:32:28,385 me any questions I can slow down but I don't want to take us too 1623 01:32:28,385 --> 01:32:28,396 too long so our primary vehicle for outlining this seven year 1624 01:32:28,396 --> 01:32:28,409 plan is a spreadsheet view and this is page one of that from 1625 01:32:28,409 --> 01:32:28,421 your packet like I said a dense amount of information for you 1626 01:32:28,421 --> 01:32:28,432 to process so how do I organize that spreadsheet we organize 1627 01:32:28,432 --> 01:32:28,444 the list of projects first by category of which there are nine 1628 01:32:28,444 --> 01:32:28,454 for example end of life replacement projects I t um 1629 01:32:28,454 --> 01:32:28,465 reliever airports long term plan all of those categories next we 1630 01:32:28,465 --> 01:32:28,476 have a subledger which is sort of a combination of location 1631 01:32:28,476 --> 01:32:28,486 as well as cost recovery opportunities um that were that 1632 01:32:28,486 --> 01:32:28,490 aligns with our financial 1633 01:32:28,490 --> 01:32:28,502 systems so there's that and then we have our project name um 1634 01:32:28,502 --> 01:32:28,510 alphabetical unless I've accidentally slotted one in late 1635 01:32:28,510 --> 01:32:28,525 in the game out of order but I do try very hard to keep them 1636 01:32:28,525 --> 01:32:28,535 alphabetical so you can find them again later um across 1637 01:32:28,535 --> 01:32:28,549 the top the columns are the year of the project so you have 27 1638 01:32:28,549 --> 01:32:28,563 on the left is our year one 2033 is your seven yes I'm already 1639 01:32:28,563 --> 01:32:28,580 in 27 if you ask me what year it is today I it must be 27 already 1640 01:32:28,580 --> 01:32:28,593 right um and the way that we can that we receive authority from 1641 01:32:28,593 --> 01:32:28,605 you to spend from that um is really focused on those first 1642 01:32:28,605 --> 01:32:28,610 three years the um what 1643 01:32:28,610 --> 01:32:28,622 we call the funded portion of the CIP year four through seven 1644 01:32:28,622 --> 01:32:28,634 is all Mac stuff effort um a little bit of operating budget 1645 01:32:28,634 --> 01:32:28,647 to help us put together some of the big CIP members sometimes um 1646 01:32:28,647 --> 01:32:28,658 but no significant design effort in those last four the first 1647 01:32:28,658 --> 01:32:28,668 three years are supported by our consultants and our contractors 1648 01:32:28,668 --> 01:32:28,681 so a project in year one during 2027 not quite yet Uh they 1649 01:32:28,681 --> 01:32:28,691 complete their bid documents they can solicit bids we award 1650 01:32:28,691 --> 01:32:28,699 contracts and construction may begin and may continue 1651 01:32:28,699 --> 01:32:28,710 on for years you've been hearing about some really big projects 1652 01:32:28,710 --> 01:32:28,722 today those are going to go much longer than the calendar year 1653 01:32:28,722 --> 01:32:28,730 that those dollars are shown in in our 1654 01:32:28,730 --> 01:32:28,742 CIP are you to projects um our consultants can work on final 1655 01:32:28,742 --> 01:32:28,750 design can work on existing conditions of investigation 1656 01:32:28,750 --> 01:32:28,763 but we don't bid and award the contract in that year two um 1657 01:32:28,763 --> 01:32:28,775 but we're getting ready to do that when it moves into being 1658 01:32:28,775 --> 01:32:28,788 year one and then year three we can do studies we can do 1659 01:32:28,788 --> 01:32:28,797 preliminary and schematic design and get those things going 1660 01:32:28,797 --> 01:32:28,807 as well as verifying some of our budgeting assumptions from 1661 01:32:28,807 --> 01:32:28,817 earlier all right any questions on that part all right 1662 01:32:28,817 --> 01:32:28,828 so we'll dive into our preliminary 27 to 2033 CIP here 1663 01:32:28,828 --> 01:32:28,841 you see the total requests by year um unlike a lot of previous 1664 01:32:28,841 --> 01:32:28,850 September drafts are 2033 is not the smallest of 1665 01:32:28,850 --> 01:32:28,859 our program um we're getting better at anticipating needs 1666 01:32:28,859 --> 01:32:28,870 farther and farther out I'm not great yet but we're getting 1667 01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:28,882 better we're also tracking some big stuff out in 2031 and 33 1668 01:32:28,882 --> 01:32:28,894 which is the tram replacements those are still dialing in as we 1669 01:32:28,894 --> 01:32:28,905 wrap up those studies um but we're starting to carry those 1670 01:32:28,905 --> 01:32:28,916 dollars and will align those better as we carry on um 1671 01:32:28,916 --> 01:32:28,928 and the early year things may slide across two you'll see 28 1672 01:32:28,928 --> 01:32:28,941 is our biggest um some of that is based on really big projects 1673 01:32:28,941 --> 01:32:28,955 we have scheduled in 28 but some of that is also that a lot 1674 01:32:28,955 --> 01:32:28,965 of the new requests start their life being vetted looking 1675 01:32:28,965 --> 01:32:28,970 at 2028 that's the fastest 1676 01:32:28,970 --> 01:32:28,982 that our teams can get those projects done they may slide out 1677 01:32:28,982 --> 01:32:28,994 as we work on prioritizing and leveling out some of that CIP 1678 01:32:28,994 --> 01:32:29,600 so this September draft may be a little bit more optimistic than 1679 01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:29,170 um what you'll see in December as those um spread out 1680 01:32:29,170 --> 01:32:29,280 our largest category in 27 is the end of life replacement 1681 01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:31,707 category it shows dollars and 27 for the beginning of the boiler 1682 01:32:31,707 --> 01:32:35,537 and chiller replacement and MC expansion which you heard a lot 1683 01:32:35,537 --> 01:32:40,410 about already um 28 and 29 also have dollars associated with 1684 01:32:40,410 --> 01:32:47,841 that so you see those pretty big light blue bars um we also 1685 01:32:48,277 --> 01:32:53,193 in the sorry I have to get that a little bit closer our long 1686 01:32:53,193 --> 01:32:53,841 term 1687 01:32:53,841 --> 01:32:58,777 plan project category is that dark blue you see in 27 1688 01:32:58,777 --> 01:33:03,365 that's for Uh some preliminary relocations prior to green 1689 01:33:03,365 --> 01:33:09,965 and gold demolition um and we still have some fees in 27 1690 01:33:10,137 --> 01:33:13,997 for looking at an operational improvements at terminal two we 1691 01:33:13,997 --> 01:33:17,277 do not have construction for that funded in this program 1692 01:33:17,277 --> 01:33:21,970 at this time um but want to do some other groundwork to be 1693 01:33:21,970 --> 01:33:25,425 prepared should we decide that that needs to happen um 1694 01:33:25,425 --> 01:33:28,457 our maintenance and facility upgrades shown in yellow 1695 01:33:28,457 --> 01:33:32,830 includes a replacement of the end of life fueling facility 1696 01:33:32,830 --> 01:33:35,137 on the north side of campus and general office building 1697 01:33:35,137 --> 01:33:39,337 renovations and a modest expansion so here's 2027 1698 01:33:42,633 --> 01:33:48,330 projects just by category again same color coding to 1699 01:33:48,657 --> 01:33:53,161 help orient you a little bit Uh starting at the bottom end 1700 01:33:53,161 --> 01:33:56,757 of life replacement project is where airfield pavement 1701 01:33:56,757 --> 01:34:00,265 reconstruction happens as they reach the end of their useful 1702 01:34:00,265 --> 01:34:02,801 lives IT projects or projects that are generally driven 1703 01:34:02,801 --> 01:34:08,700 by our IT team even though all of our projects almost some 1704 01:34:08,700 --> 01:34:12,777 paving doesn't have any I.t but that's starting to not even be 1705 01:34:12,777 --> 01:34:18,777 100% true anymore um so the the orange category is really 1706 01:34:18,977 --> 01:34:25,777 initiated by and driven by our IT team um noise mitigation we 1707 01:34:25,777 --> 01:34:31,153 keep on its own category for the consent decree long term plan 1708 01:34:31,153 --> 01:34:34,497 projects um support the planning efforts of our team 1709 01:34:34,497 --> 01:34:38,369 and the capital construction projects that come directly from 1710 01:34:38,369 --> 01:34:39,617 our long term plan 1711 01:34:39,617 --> 01:34:43,937 maintenance and facility upgrades tends to cover new 1712 01:34:43,937 --> 01:34:46,917 buildings or additions and significant system improvements 1713 01:34:46,917 --> 01:34:51,177 ongoing maintenance a little bit self-explanatory those things 1714 01:34:51,177 --> 01:34:55,689 that we're doing routinely that we budget annually for work 1715 01:34:55,689 --> 01:35:00,449 in those categories and address most urgent needs for them Uh 1716 01:35:00,449 --> 01:35:04,970 tenant projects tend to enhance our leasehold facilities 1717 01:35:04,970 --> 01:35:10,342 our relievers tend not to have the high quantity of work as MSP 1718 01:35:10,342 --> 01:35:13,481 that so we typically just separate those into two 1719 01:35:13,481 --> 01:35:15,857 categories the long term comprehensive plan projects 1720 01:35:15,857 --> 01:35:19,873 similar to MSP they come right out of our long term plans 1721 01:35:19,873 --> 01:35:22,763 or support the planning efforts and then maintenance 1722 01:35:22,763 --> 01:35:25,517 and facility upgrade is kind of everything else 1723 01:35:25,517 --> 01:35:32,117 for the relievers so just a quick and I'll do this 1724 01:35:32,553 --> 01:35:37,910 kind of fast sprinkling of big projects around the campus this 1725 01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:40,567 year Uh we have a fair amount of pavement reconstruction 1726 01:35:40,567 --> 01:35:44,803 but in more focused areas so we have the deicing pad 1727 01:35:44,803 --> 01:35:51,330 and the first of five phases of replacing the older terminal 1728 01:35:51,330 --> 01:35:55,905 to apron um that was actually existing apron when they built 1729 01:35:55,905 --> 01:36:03,105 the terminal five plus years ago and it is due for replacement 1730 01:36:03,997 --> 01:36:07,457 so we're waiting until we get new gates for the north 1731 01:36:07,457 --> 01:36:12,970 expansion before we start taking two at a time um to do the apron 1732 01:36:12,970 --> 01:36:15,990 and the bridges moving then south and get through all 1733 01:36:15,990 --> 01:36:21,430 of that we have work at Uh Taxiways Hotel and Juliet we 1734 01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:25,277 have a west cargo facility development um 1735 01:36:25,277 --> 01:36:28,937 the exact process for that is still under review by staff 1736 01:36:28,937 --> 01:36:34,877 but we're carrying um in case we take that on entirely Uh we have 1737 01:36:34,877 --> 01:36:39,145 reconstruction on East 62nd Street Uh that's a project that 1738 01:36:39,145 --> 01:36:42,785 we will be pursuing envision certification on which is 1739 01:36:42,785 --> 01:36:48,139 a civil work Uh sustainable design and construction program 1740 01:36:48,139 --> 01:36:53,697 Uh we show the Geo and the fueling facility at the North 1741 01:36:53,697 --> 01:36:59,345 campus those are just some highlights you noticed in here 1742 01:36:59,345 --> 01:37:03,801 probably there's a rather long list um bridges that will be 1743 01:37:03,801 --> 01:37:09,497 replacing this year on concourse C we have 4 or 512 and 27 1744 01:37:09,497 --> 01:37:13,147 and then at terminal two in concert with that pavement 1745 01:37:13,147 --> 01:37:17,190 replacement I mentioned is H eight and nine no sorry nine 1746 01:37:17,190 --> 01:37:24,990 and ten um because it's big I wanted to include it the EMC 1747 01:37:27,777 --> 01:37:31,137 replacement or expansion and boiler chiller replacement you 1748 01:37:31,137 --> 01:37:34,817 already heard way more detail on that than you probably need 1749 01:37:34,817 --> 01:37:38,537 to hear again so we'll keep it brief I did want to mention that 1750 01:37:38,537 --> 01:37:45,970 the CIP values will incorporate what the GMP is from that 1751 01:37:45,970 --> 01:37:49,405 project but it's not just the GMP that will be in the CIP 1752 01:37:49,405 --> 01:37:52,937 the CIP needs to cover other consultant fees and things like 1753 01:37:52,937 --> 01:37:58,257 that like it does for any of our projects um and then 1754 01:37:58,257 --> 01:38:00,897 in preparation for the demolition of green and gold 1755 01:38:00,897 --> 01:38:07,297 as I mentioned before we do have a project in 2027 to move 1756 01:38:07,297 --> 01:38:10,297 electrical critical systems services utilities 1757 01:38:10,837 --> 01:38:15,107 there are antenna arrays there are there's a wireless 1758 01:38:15,107 --> 01:38:20,363 distributed antenna system for like cellular um there's a hub 1759 01:38:20,363 --> 01:38:23,647 room there that needs to relocate there's some specialty 1760 01:38:23,647 --> 01:38:26,969 parking that needs a new home before that demolition can 1761 01:38:26,969 --> 01:38:31,697 happen so we have a project Uh slated for 27 to facilitate that 1762 01:38:31,697 --> 01:38:35,307 and help us move forward into demolition and replacement 1763 01:38:35,307 --> 01:38:41,907 in that area and then our relievers we have um about $40 1764 01:38:42,817 --> 01:38:48,370 million worth of projects the most significant being the er 1765 01:38:48,370 --> 01:38:51,497 lake runway Uh reconstruction and expansion which you've also 1766 01:38:51,497 --> 01:38:56,257 heard plenty of so I don't need to go into those details for you 1767 01:38:56,257 --> 01:39:02,577 but that's the big effort at the relievers this year next year Uh 1768 01:39:02,577 --> 01:39:03,777 next steps 1769 01:39:03,777 --> 01:39:08,817 we will accept comments from the affected municipalities we will 1770 01:39:08,817 --> 01:39:12,119 complete the assessment of environmental effects process it 1771 01:39:12,119 --> 01:39:15,137 will cover that Uh over the coming months we'll work 1772 01:39:15,137 --> 01:39:19,345 together with finance and work through a funding plan analysis 1773 01:39:19,345 --> 01:39:22,429 we'll work with staff and the project stakeholders to align 1774 01:39:22,429 --> 01:39:26,307 the CIP project listing and funding plan we'll identify 1775 01:39:26,307 --> 01:39:29,483 projects that meet the criteria outlined in the PLA policy 1776 01:39:29,483 --> 01:39:32,593 and bring that list to commission for approval 1777 01:39:32,593 --> 01:39:37,300 and we'll return in December with a final draft of the 2027 1778 01:39:37,300 --> 01:39:42,100 2033 CIP including an aligned funding plan from finance 1779 01:39:43,953 --> 01:39:49,537 so today excuse me we ask that you recommend that the full 1780 01:39:49,537 --> 01:39:53,737 commission accept the attached preliminary 2027 to 2033 capital 1781 01:39:54,700 --> 01:39:55,665 Improvements Program for 1782 01:39:55,665 --> 01:39:59,497 purposes of conducting the affected municipalities review 1783 01:39:59,497 --> 01:40:02,257 and the assessment of environmental effects process 1784 01:40:02,257 --> 01:40:08,237 and authorize staff to proceed with those processes with that 1785 01:40:08,237 --> 01:40:11,857 I'll stand for any questions thank you it was a great 1786 01:40:11,857 --> 01:40:15,570 overview and particularly for all the new commissioners 1787 01:40:15,570 --> 01:40:19,657 we're very thorough are there any questions Commissioner 1788 01:40:19,657 --> 01:40:26,670 Lawrence Uh chair the Uh I'd like to chair I think excellent 1789 01:40:26,670 --> 01:40:31,410 presentation thank you very much I would personally and I think 1790 01:40:31,410 --> 01:40:35,841 other commissioners might appreciate if having seen this 1791 01:40:36,769 --> 01:40:42,769 in September in Uh we could see a preliminary breakout 1792 01:40:44,377 --> 01:40:51,142 of what's in those bars Uh not everything which is in each bar 1793 01:40:51,142 --> 01:40:56,417 and you might think of a different cut off but I would 1794 01:40:56,417 --> 01:40:57,908 think about as 1795 01:40:57,908 --> 01:41:05,980 a cut off Uh any projects which are going to be done money wise 1796 01:41:05,980 --> 01:41:13,180 in Uh 27 which are at or above 50 million spent in 27 and any 1797 01:41:16,970 --> 01:41:21,697 which are spending less than that in 27 but over the course 1798 01:41:21,697 --> 01:41:28,301 of three years or to the degree you know it like five years Uh 1799 01:41:28,301 --> 01:41:32,297 which are greater than 100 million now off the top 1800 01:41:32,297 --> 01:41:36,921 of your head could you just say I guess there are blank number 1801 01:41:36,921 --> 01:41:43,521 of 50 million projects in 27 and blank number of if we start 1802 01:41:43,617 --> 01:41:48,417 in 27 we're effectively committing more than 100 um I 1803 01:41:53,605 --> 01:42:00,205 would say at 50 million there's less than a handful in 27 I 1804 01:42:00,603 --> 01:42:03,817 don't have a specific count um 1805 01:42:03,817 --> 01:42:09,154 but less than five that's all I need and I could do that in I 1806 01:42:09,154 --> 01:42:12,300 could do that right after the meeting by running through 1807 01:42:12,300 --> 01:42:14,828 the spreadsheet but yeah well it's not so much the number 1808 01:42:14,828 --> 01:42:20,342 of any in any event it's what they are and a bit more detail 1809 01:42:20,342 --> 01:42:23,849 for the Commission to understand what they are 1810 01:42:23,849 --> 01:42:31,490 and what's involved can you give me a estimate of beyond 27 what 1811 01:42:31,417 --> 01:42:34,723 when we're committing to 27 or effectively committing 1812 01:42:34,723 --> 01:42:39,123 for longer term and I realize that the actual plan is a three 1813 01:42:39,123 --> 01:42:43,257 year plan so we will certainly know that but there are others 1814 01:42:43,257 --> 01:42:48,237 like the boiler replacement you know then Uh which we discussed 1815 01:42:48,237 --> 01:42:50,251 some length earlier that was 1816 01:42:50,251 --> 01:42:56,851 like in 500 and went went out for chairman Bridget thank you 1817 01:42:57,337 --> 01:43:01,960 Mr. Chair Chair Lawrence um I appreciate your request and I 1818 01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:04,969 think October would be a good opportunity to bring back 1819 01:43:04,969 --> 01:43:07,825 an information item to kind of outline some of these larger 1820 01:43:07,825 --> 01:43:10,657 projects for you that are currently in the CIP 1821 01:43:10,657 --> 01:43:14,403 in the short term we can certainly do that yeah and yeah 1822 01:43:14,403 --> 01:43:19,707 and again the longer ones because very often there's some 1823 01:43:19,707 --> 01:43:24,910 not something you're effectively committing to doing the whole 1824 01:43:24,910 --> 01:43:30,736 thing Uh and I understand it we will see the three or projects 1825 01:43:30,736 --> 01:43:35,200 but there are some which we've talked about ones that have go 1826 01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:40,401 out even further so thank you for committing to that any 1827 01:43:40,401 --> 01:43:47,601 other questions and I appreciate it um there's been a action item 1828 01:43:47,977 --> 01:43:54,287 could I get a first and a second so moved by Chair Lawrence 1829 01:43:54,287 --> 01:44:00,283 second second by Chair Zimmer um all in favor say aye aye all 1830 01:44:00,283 --> 01:44:06,157 opposed passed thanks again Heather thank you yep we have 1831 01:44:06,157 --> 01:44:11,557 one final action item all right thank you Mr. 1832 01:44:11,777 --> 01:44:14,621 Chair thank you for hanging with us today we saved the one that 1833 01:44:14,621 --> 01:44:16,937 absolutely had to happen in September for last so I 1834 01:44:16,937 --> 01:44:22,970 apologize for that um the state Minnesota state statutes um 1835 01:44:22,970 --> 01:44:25,940 dictate an environmental process that we are required to go 1836 01:44:25,940 --> 01:44:28,457 through every year so we bring forth a preliminary CIP 1837 01:44:28,457 --> 01:44:31,942 in September um for approval we put that out on 1838 01:44:31,942 --> 01:44:35,713 the street we give affecting municipalities 60 days to review 1839 01:44:35,713 --> 01:44:38,897 the document and offer any comments um there's also 1840 01:44:38,897 --> 01:44:41,529 the assessment of environmental effects which is basically 1841 01:44:41,529 --> 01:44:44,817 a super high level ensure that we are completing 1842 01:44:44,817 --> 01:44:47,767 the environmental processes that are required by projects before 1843 01:44:47,767 --> 01:44:51,770 we're starting any construction on them and so that report is 1844 01:44:51,770 --> 01:44:55,537 a summary we complete that report in early October put that 1845 01:44:55,537 --> 01:44:59,221 one out on the street for 30 days the two processes run 1846 01:44:59,221 --> 01:45:03,425 concurrent um we do ask for I'm sorry we are required to have 1847 01:45:03,425 --> 01:45:07,359 a public hearing and so we're looking to have that in November 1848 01:45:07,359 --> 01:45:11,897 as we typically do every year for this process and then come 1849 01:45:11,897 --> 01:45:12,628 back to you in 1850 01:45:12,628 --> 01:45:15,782 December with a final CIP as well as the hearing 1851 01:45:15,782 --> 01:45:18,993 officer's report for the environmental process so what 1852 01:45:18,993 --> 01:45:24,150 we're asking for you today specific to the process is that 1853 01:45:24,150 --> 01:45:28,227 this committee PD be designated as the hearing officers 1854 01:45:28,227 --> 01:45:31,493 for the public hearing that staff be granted the authority 1855 01:45:31,493 --> 01:45:37,493 to publish a draft document for the 2027 to 2033 CIP um 1856 01:45:37,847 --> 01:45:42,937 for review and comment and authorize staff to proceed with 1857 01:45:42,937 --> 01:45:48,923 these processes Uh can I get a anyone any questions can I get 1858 01:45:48,923 --> 01:45:53,937 a first and second so moved by Commissioner Gartland 1859 01:45:53,937 --> 01:45:57,937 Commissioner Beeson all in favor say aye aye all opposed motion 1860 01:45:57,937 --> 01:46:02,830 passes I want to thank the committee for sticking this out 1861 01:46:02,830 --> 01:46:03,999 there's a lot of stuff to 1862 01:46:03,999 --> 01:46:05,625 get done and it was it was really 1863 01:46:05,625 --> 01:46:08,917 important I'd like to thank the individual from GE done 1864 01:46:08,917 --> 01:46:11,457 for showing up and I'd also like to thank 1865 01:46:11,457 --> 01:46:14,388 the staff for extraordinary work up and down 1866 01:46:14,388 --> 01:46:17,943 the agenda so with that unless there's any other comments 1867 01:46:17,943 --> 01:46:23,343 or questions we're going to call this adjourned thanks