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Good morning and welcome to our commission meeting february 25th,
2026.

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our second one this month. And if you add a special commission meeting on permitting our
Third commission meeting this month,

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and I'll turn it over to our city clerk. Thank you to my colleagues. Good morning to
Everybody.

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everybody in the crowd here in person, of course. Everybody listening in. Looking forward to a productive meeting.

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and I'll turn it over to our city clerk. Good morning everyone. The city commission is
Physically present in the commission chambers at miami beach city hall,

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codes that are located also in the podiums. Thank you mayor.

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thank you. Ralph. It's my honor now to call up for our invocation. Pastor victor palacios from iglesia de dios. Just have to say a word.

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I met you over six years ago, probably seven years ago,
When I was running for commissioner.

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and you have. You're not just a special spiritual leader in our miami beach community,
But also a personal friend.

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so it's an honor to have you here. We pray. Thank god for this day,
For

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your mercy. Thank you for this meeting, god. We ask you to bless him,
All the commissioners and here the city clerk,

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the police department, the fire department. The schools. The hospital. But especially for this meeting today we ask you,
Lord, to give you the wisdom,

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lord, in integrity, to run the city the best the way you want it.

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we bless the city to the north, to the south,
To the east, to the west.

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we are doing and I know always you will is going to be.

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thank you for everything you do so far. And I know we still a lot of we have a lot more to
Come and it's going to be blessing for the city.

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thank you for the mayor. The job is there in the city,
This family and everybody in here in this meeting.

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we ask you, lord, that the blessing to these people,
To we pray in your name.

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amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you. Pastor. Now I get to surprise someone in the in the
Crowd.

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how about stephen anthony? Why don't you lead us with the pledge of allegiance? Our
Economic development director. Director. Don't worry.

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you just have to start the first word and we'll go along. I'm sure you got it down,
Though.

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all right. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america.

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and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under god,
Indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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stephen. Perfect. I like to I didn't I didn't give you any warning. I like to because one time, several years ago,
Somebody did not recollect all the words.

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so certainly my intent is not to embarrass anyone,
But great job, stephen.

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let's start off with the sputnik hour. Anyone who wishes to speak,
Please approach the podium.

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state your name. You have two minutes. Now I feel we're back. Back. To normal when mitch novack leads off,
No longer slacking off mitch novack.

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good morning everyone. I've received your $500 homestead relief check,
Which will be used to offset my miami beach water bill,

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which has increased annually for the past dozen years. Within that period since jimmy morales first took office as city manager,
We've seen our budget more than double.

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while the city added roughly 500 more employees. You can be assured I will be first in line to vote to abolish homestead property taxation.

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if passed, I'm certain you'll be compelled to refrain from wasting our tax dollars,
Which has led to housing unaffordability.

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as I've stated numerous times, I believe we must reduce our budget by 2 to 300 million and
Reduce our employees to levels seen when our city

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ran well for much less, according to the administration,
The entertainment district is fully subsidized by taxpayers and has suffered a net

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loss of several million dollars annually. Who can forget the recent northern section of
Ocean drive's illegal pedestrianization,

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requiring private traffic management at a cost of $1 million a year?

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I would also urge you to end the ocean drive promenade or sparsely attended ocean drive
Promenade music series,

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which only benefits the venue where it's held to the detriment of the greater good.

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thank you. Thank you. Please go ahead. Gentlemen.

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good morning everyone. I could refute mitch,
But I won't.

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I'm in a good mood this morning. I want to speak for an entity that doesn't have a voice.

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and I heard this is going to come up at a at a meeting,
And that's the bots that we see on the street.

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those little machines that wander down the street delivering things and,
You know, they're polite.

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they're not like the bicyclists who will run you over and then yell at you for getting in
Their way.

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they will stop. They stop at corners. They're very kind.

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I really think they add to the ambiance of the city.

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people like to see them. People's faces light up and again,
They're polite.

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something we need more of in this city. Thank you.

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thank you so much. Thank you. Good morning. My name is michael freundlich,
And I live in sunset harbor.

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I wish to bring up a topic that has been previously mentioned in this venue,
But remains an ongoing problem,

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specifically pedestrian and micromobility traffic.

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I've resided in miami beach for the past 25 years,
During which time there has been a substantial increase in micromobility,

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pedestrian density, and unfortunately, fatal.

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crashes by crashes. The league of american vehicles found that miami ranks fifth in the
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fatality by crashes ten per million. Miami beach is known for its vibrant culture,
Beaches,

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lively streets, the growing number of residents and tourists using micromobility as a
Preferred mode of transportation has resulted in

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transgression that impact their safety and the overall quality of life in the city,
Such as the following.

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riding in sidewalks despite designated bike lanes on many streets.

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many riders opt for riding on sidewalks, endangering pedestrians and violating city
Ordinances.

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ignoring traffic signals, many riders failed to stop at red lights and stop signs.

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changing lanes in the middle of intersections to circumvent this.

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signs. Wrong way. Riding against the flow of traffic is a frequent offense.

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lack of proper lighting. Riders often ride at night without adequate front and rear
Lights,

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making them nearly invisible to motorists and pedestrians.

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not yielding to pedestrians in shared spaces,
Riders fail to yield to pedestrians, especially in busy areas like alton and washington,

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and riding without helmets which are rolled,
Which although is not mandatory.

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I'll be down in a second. It would be good for them to work,
Right?

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in conclusion, we need to educate the writers and importantly,
Enhance informed enforcement to help reduce these infractions and make

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miami beach a safer place for riders, pedestrians and drivers alike.

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thank you sir. Thank you. Good morning, mr. Mayor.

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commissioners. Mr.. City manager. City attorney,
City clerk.

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my name is adam. I'm here from the rhythm foundation,
And I want to speak today in support of arts and culture in miami beach.

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arts and culture are a pillar of our local economy and key to our city's ability to be
Able to attract new residents,

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visitors and new businesses alike. So any cuts to arts funding undermines our economy

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and the quality of life that the city so very much depends on.

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I would also like to speak today. We had the opportunity last month to host a town hall
Meeting at the miami

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beach bandshell with respect to the byron carlyle theater. It was a very impassioned discussion. And while there is a lot of questions remains around
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people saw the fate of that space or what they would like to see with that facility and
That space it was was clear that folks are interested in a

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multi-use, multidisciplinary space that serves as broad a swath of the community as
Possible.

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and thank you to one of the commissioners of commissioner suarez for hosting that meeting.

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I believe there's video of it. And so I would encourage the commission to watch that
Video,

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if you haven't already, to get a sense of where the public opinion lies with respect to
The future of that space.

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thank you. Thank you. Next, please. Good morning,
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mayor and commissioners. Chelsea law and florida power and light. I want to speak clearly about what is and was not what is not before you today regarding
The bridge and transmission projects item r9.

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today, on february 5th, this commission voted to allow fpl to use existing easement,
An easement for which we pay the city.

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based on that direction, we advance a critical underground transmission project that will
Serve to improve the reliability of the electric grid for miami beach businesses and

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residents. Separately, there is a pedestrian bridge project from day one.

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fpl has treated that project as a priority to coordinate. We've done more than what state law requires for underground locates on our feeder lines,
Which have been there since 1999 and serve over 13,000 customers on the beach.

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a third party organization ubcic typically provides locates at the request of the city.

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fpl conducted supplemental testing. We purchased additional equipment to obtain more
Precise measurements,

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and we attended repeated site visits and coordination meetings. We have dedicated staff and engineering resources for months since october to help the
Bridge team move forward.

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we did that because we understand the importance of partnership,
But coordination should not become leverage.

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the underground transmission line project, a multimillion dollar investment benefiting the
City,

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should not be conditioned on or tied to unrelated development commitments or third party
Promises.

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if there are outstanding issues related to the bridge,
We remain at the table to work through them.

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we've demonstrated that commitment consistently,
But we cannot support is delaying or withholding a previously approved easement in a way

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that solves critical reliability improvements for residents and businesses who have
Nothing to do with those separate matters.

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these are distinct issues, and they deserve to be handled independently.

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fpl stands ready to continue collaborating in good faith,
And we simply ask that the reliability of miami beach's electric system remain the

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priority and move forward as previously directed. I also want to share one more update that we conducted an additional site visit monday
With the team up to offer to excavate the line at cost

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fpl, so hopefully that will provide some more certainty to the team on whether or not they
Can move forward.

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thank you. Thank you. Thank you chelsea. This is an addendum item,
So we'll hear it after 5 p.m..

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good morning. My name is carol coombs. I'm a resident at 1754 miami beach.

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so commissioners and mayor and everybody here,
I rise in full support of the city's continued funding of miami beach pride.

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consistent with the position of the commission,
As reflected in resolution c 711, you approved up to 250,000 in previously budgeted funds

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and the waiver of certain administration fees. The 2026 festival. That action affirms what we already know.

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pride is not a political gesture. It's a proven economic driver and a cultural institution
That's celebrating its 18th year in miami beach.

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it's a festival and parade which attracts more than 150 residents and visitors.

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and it's a cornerstone of our tourism strategy here in miami beach.

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at a time when proposed state legalization such as sb 1134 and hb 1001 seeks to broadly
Restrict diversity related programing.

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it's important to be clear, and I know you've already said this. Events like miami beach pride with jewish film festival and the american black film
Festival are part of who we are in miami beach.

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they fill hotel rooms, drive restaurant revenue,
Create jobs, and protect miami beach global brand and its inclusive,

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worldwide destination, byron carlyle. The building has been widely documented as a mold
Infested and unhealthy.

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protecting public health must come first. We have an opportunity to replace an unsafe
Structure with something amazing and transformative.

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residents have called for a vibrant, multidisciplinary cultural complex with art classes,
Theater,

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music, dance and, yes, two cinemas a year round asset that serves our local community
While attracting visitors and nurturing creative talent.

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I have 17 seconds left. This is what I'm going to say. Opposing cutting arts funding to redirect it towards sewer or stormwater project does not
Bring in tourists.

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I'm sorry it doesn't. We need to define what miami beach. It's about culture, festivals and richness and diversity of our city.

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as the mayor said, miami beach miami beach is back. Let's keep that momentum going. Good morning,
Commissioners and

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mayor. My name is jack klein. I'm the community manager at council towers north and south
For edoc.

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edoc is committed to the principles of aging in place,
Ensuring opportunities for our seniors to live independently with dignity and

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self-determination, and in communities with their peers.

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residents in edoc properties are provided with safe,
Affordable housing, supportive health and social services.

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we'd like to thank you for all your support that you provided us during our renovation
Process.

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we've sent out invitations for you for our resident re grand opening event,
Which is march the 5th at 11 a.m.

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and again at 12:30 p.m. At the north and south towers.

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affordability is one of our you know, we want to love those who loved us first,
And that's our seniors.

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and currently, affordability is not something that you know is available to them.

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and we need your support even further in loving our seniors.

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so, you know we have someone else coming up to speak on that.

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and I just want to thank you for your time and all your support. And gloria campos has been so instrumental also in loving our seniors and giving us
Support as well.

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so thank you. Thank you. Looking forward to march 5th.

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good morning everyone. I am manuel del valle. I'm the regional service coordinator of ida of the properties and coordinating in council
Towers north and south.

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I'm here to also thank you and to ask for your help.

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we are up and running. We're providing services. We have the inauguration, but we don't have a hot meals program.

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our seniors, some of them have a hard time cooking.

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some of them are isolated. This program was it was established before.

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and it's crucial for their independence, for their stability,
For their isolation.

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for. To prevent isolation. I can't express how important it is for them.

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and the little havana activity center does not any doesn't have any fundings for this
Year.

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if you if you can please help us establish this program once again,
We would appreciate it.

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this program not only provides the hot daily meal,
It provides transportation to the grocery store.

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it provides events of linkage to to the community,
To your to to your to your government and to your leaders.

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it is in in crucial for them. So I we ask for your help and I hope to see you on march
5th.

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thank you for highlighting this issue for us,
Please. Thank you. Hi. Good morning, mayor and city commissioners and staff.

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hi. My name is linda coco. I'm a small business owner miami beach resident at 334 west
25th street in the collins park neighborhood,

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a block away from the absolutely wonderful bayshore park. Again, thank you all for that and thank our residents for supporting that.

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I apologize for my outfit, but I'm on my way to pilates because we are a fitness city,
Right?

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you'll notice here I've got my my little mirror for my bicycle.

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I love the because I, I like to ride around the city.

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but what's important, folks, is we've I'm here to express my concern about c7.

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you. It's a consent agenda that would cancel the north meridian avenue multi-use path and
The chase avenue multi-use path with no public hearing,

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no community input. Really surprised. These are priority projects in the city's already
Adopted bicycle pedestrian master plan.

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it's only 6/10 of a mile along meridian avenue,
But it closes a critical gap.

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I'm sorry. In miami beach's bicycle network,
It connects existing bike lanes.

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bicycle counters just south of this project already recorded roughly 1000 riders per day.

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so I just think that's really important. And the and also chase,
I was shocked to know chase avenue is back on the agenda to be eliminated.

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matthew's going to talk about that. Also rdc r7 I am concerned about this resolution.

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it maintains our funding for our cultural anchors and youth arts programs.

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that's great, but I'm against the reallocation of the remaining city funding funds
Currently designated for arts and culture programs.

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our arts funding generates over 5000 jobs, generates over 250 million for residents,
And 12 million in local taxes.

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71% of the attendees of arts and cultural events are locals.

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average person spends over $56 per event. We want to be known as an arts and culture and
Fitness city.

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thank you very much. Thank you. Next, please.

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good morning mayor. Good morning commissioners. My name is matthew tarnoff. I live at 125
Jefferson avenue and I'm here to talk about c7 you.

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today I first ask that this item be pulled from the agenda.

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it is. Well, I've emailed you all. I believe other people have emailed you all,
So I'm not going to go over why it's an important project.

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why this priority one project, which linda just talked about,
Why it's critical, why adding at the last minute another unrelated project to it perhaps

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violates some of the ordinances or red flag ordinance,
The right to know the critical infrastructure.

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so I'm not going to use my own words, but I want to read from an inspector general report
About the 34th and chase avenue project,

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which which we worked in good faith with commissioner fernandez,
With the community to to get that over hurdles.

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and two years ago, january 31st, this commission,
Almost this full commission here, they approved the project.

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so these are the words from the inspector general. These are not from me.

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no. The oig has, on two prior occasions, raised concerns regarding the waste of taxpayer
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result of efforts to redesign this project after it had been designed,
Permitted and funded.

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it has been previously reported that in 2022,
The design review review review board approved the design.

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the city applied for and was awarded an fdot grant in the amount of 495,000.

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the consultant completed 90% of the construction documents. It continues to go on. You can read it. The report is dated april 2024.

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regarding the meridian avenue shared use path. This is from a grant application that the city submitted to the miami-dade tpo for fdot
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for which it was awarded. Identifying project stakeholders.

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the meridian avenue shared use path was presented to the community five times.

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mr. Mayor, could I have one more minute, please? Thank you. Was presented to the community five times during various workshops throughout the bicycle
Pedestrian master plan process.

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further, the project was presented to the neighborhood as part of the bayshore
Neighborhood improvement project that gives you one of those critical infrastructure key

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points. The proposed path was adopted by the city commission as part of the 2016 bicycle
Pedestrian master plan.

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three meetings were also held with the miami beach golf course management company to
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the project design accommodates their comments and their needs.

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your cip director david gomez. During a recent meeting,
He eloquently explained why this project is so important.

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you have professional staff. I ask that you bring them up here. Bring up your ecg to talk about potential waste,
Fraud and abuse.

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bring up your transportation department, your cip,
Your neighborhood affairs. This project didn't come out of nowhere. There's a lengthy

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histories and canceling it like this, and then adding one just 12 hours before this
Meeting would certainly violate many processes.

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thank you. Our first virtual caller is johann moore. Mr. Moore, state your name and you have two minutes.

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good morning. I want to talk about four issues each of two of which are,
In a sense, connected.

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I want to express my support for commissioner fernandez. Item c4-h. Which if I am expressing this correctly,
Would require developer contributions to

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municipal infrastructure. And that, in fact,
Links to why cutting arts funding under r7?

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d is a bad idea. We do not gain revenue by cutting services.

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the impacts of one thing on the other need to be considered.

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there is only a superficial savings to be had by cutting arts funding,
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infrastructure. I also am opposed to c7 you. We need connectivity for our bike

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lanes. And I am concerned about c4, as are many of my neighbors.

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we are very supportive of the jefferson avenue bike lanes and their traffic calming.

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and I repeat that the only concerns that I've heard from residents are that both of the
Bike lanes are on the same side of the avenue.

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so if that's the improvement that needs to happen to move one of them to the east side of
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then I would encourage the city to do that. Thank you. Thank you. Our next caller is judith. Judith smigiel.

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good morning, michael of the flamingo park neighborhood of miami beach.

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I do not understand the logic cutting arts funding.

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it doesn't make sense culturally or economically,
And I look forward to the discussion of that.

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I want to say, in particular, that the sunday promenade concerts in front of the betsy are
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that exist here. When I take out of time, visitors were just blown away by the setting,
The music,

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live jazz. It's wonderful and I wouldn't want anything to happen that.

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reducing bicycle lanes. When I was first here,
It was pretty scary to bicycle around, and I did.

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and still it's still a very a dangerous place to be a pedestrian or a bicyclist or a
Driver here.

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but anything we can do to improve safety for bicyclists is only to the good.

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and I don't understand how this came in almost at the last minute,
It seems, and at first was going to be on the consent agenda.

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now I understand that it will be under discussion,
Which of course is much more democratic.

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and I, I really appreciate that we all think about getting residents input on things.

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thank you very much. Thank you. Our next caller is sharon.

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sharon, state your name. You have two minutes. Hi,
This is sharon weiss.

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two. Three. Three. 81st street. I'm calling today to strenuously object to c7,
I believe is the item

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the butchery of the sea grapes all along. Our wonderful beach walk.

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I understand that this is being done in the name of public safety.

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not quite sure what that would accomplish. The public has a right to be safe from sea
Level rise and dune erosion.

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I don't know if anyone in the commission has bothered to come up to north beach,
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low 70s area streets of the beach, there's no beach left.

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it's it's ocean, sea grapes, beach walk. So pulling the cutting the the sea grapes out of
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disaster. And it's a disaster even in places where the beach is wide and that there's not
Residences condos right close to the beach.

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this is terrible. We cannot be a green zone or a blue zone or whatever it is that's being
Proposed if we're actively cutting down trees.

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public safety is more than just reducing or eliminating the ability of houseless people to
Get shelter in the rain and the sun.

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and by the way, I'm a marathon runner. I run all up and down that beach walk early in the
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I have never seen a homeless encampment. We spend $100 million on our police force.

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that's to compensate them for having to walk around in heat and hot weather and get out of
Their cars and deal with homeless folks and hostile people.

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and is it pleasant? No, but they're compensated for that. And the answer is to ask them to do patrols and not to cut down foliage and greenery,
Which is critical to to protecting us during climate change.

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so please reconsider this. Thank you. Thank you.

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our next caller is david sexton. Please state your name. You have two minutes. Hi, this is david sexton,
1255 marseille.

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I want to start out by thanking the mayor and several commissioners for attending our 100
Year anniversary celebration for normandy fountain.

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we had hundreds and hundreds of residents and visitors show up,
And we were thrilled to have our electeds many of our electeds there as well.

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I'm here today to talk against two items that have been brought since october.

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the first is to cut funding for 20 plus arts organizations,
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nu deco ensemble, and the jewish film festival. We were all here during art week. Yes, the city spent millions of dollars to support these
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and it brought in over half $1 billion into our economy every week.

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in the city of miami beach is art week. We support our arts organizations,
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it's it's so obvious. I need I need us to address these issues and vote them down.

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the other item is that to change course on the performing arts center at the byron
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I want to thank commissioner suarez for holding a public meeting.

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I was not able to attend in person, but myself,
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and we were all thrilled with the overwhelming community support for performing arts
Center.

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the idea of reverting it back to a failed multiplex movie theater is not a good one.

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that business model is no longer successful. We have decided to incorporate a commercial
Movie theater into the project moving forward,

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which will make it even better. I want to say that the community wants a performing arts
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one item that was brought up repeatedly during that meeting I raised my hand but wasn't
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is pointing to a survey that was done in 2021 that said that 60% of respondents.

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our next caller is inez. State your name. You have two minutes.

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yeah. My name is janice flax. I'm at 1500 ocean drive.

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I'm calling to remind all my commissioners and mayor to urge you to please vote against
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see you. I I, I oppose this this proposal because it will destroy the

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historical character of ocean drive, and it will violate the property rights of every
Owner who has property on ocean

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drive and is against further restrictions to access their property.

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and number three, it will create more delays in in time respond to safety to life and
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to the disabled handicapped population that we have in town,
Which I become very acutely aware today

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because my husband is in a wheelchair, and I know how important it is to be able to drive
Up to the front of any establishment.

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so I, I beg you to, to consider what you're trying to do to ocean drive,
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destroy the historical character of of this very famous,
Which has been the most famous ocean drive on earth.

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and to make it pedestrian, you're going to have to change the name to ocean walk.

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okay. It will no longer be ocean drive. So thank you very much for your attention to this
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thank you. Our next caller is nicholas duran.

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go ahead please. Good morning, mayor and commissioners.

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my name is nicholas duran, policy and advocacy manager for transit alliance miami.

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I'd like to respectfully urge this board to oppose item c-7,
Which would cancel the north meridian avenue and chase avenue multi-use paths.

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so, to be clear, this project did. These projects didn't appear overnight. They followed an extensive planning process,
Public input and competitive grant applications.

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so these are scarce infrastructure dollars that have already been earmarked for these
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if we cancel these projects now, we don't just pause them. We risk conceding those funds and sending a message that miami beach cannot follow through
On thoughtfully developed mobility improvements.

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and this is at a time when infrastructure dollars are especially scarce,
And we're finding more and more that that city governments and even the county

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are finding it more difficult to pay for projects like this. So it's seriously worth
Asking how this could impact the city's credibility in seeking funds for other projects or

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services, like the water taxi, for example. You know what? What does it mean? What type of message does it send? When we renege on projects that have
Been thoroughly vetted and have been approved,

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and where the studies are, are valid? I just don't see what the benefit is on on pumping
The brakes on a project like this.

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so the north meridian and chase avenue multi-use paths are critical north south
Connections for the city as bike usage continues to grow.

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we need safe, protected corridors that give residents real alternatives to getting in a
Car without connected infrastructure.

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we force cyclists into traffic, we increase conflicts,
And we undermine our own efforts to reduce congestion.

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to the comments that were made around safety earlier,
It really proves the point as to why we need more facilities like this.

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now. If the city is serious about mitigating traffic,
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then we must build infrastructure that supports those goals. This is not a luxury.

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it's a necessary investment for a safer, healthier,
More connected miami beach.

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so thank you. I hope we move these projects forward. Thank you so much. Our next caller is josh squire.

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please go ahead. You have two minutes. Hi. My name is josh squire.

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47th street. I'm here to echo the other people spoke about the bike lanes that are
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canceled. It seems like transportation in this city takes one step forward,
Two steps back.

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the one step forward is the water taxi. Great job on that. Although it could use weekend service as well as some shade and benches for people who use
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regarding the bike lanes, it's critical to the network. It seems like you know, the safety of micromobility users is is not as important as
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which is you know, really not the correct way to look about it.

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and you know, I've been using meridian for over 20 years.

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never got hit by a golf ball before. I think that the thing that that seems odd here is
All the work that was done on this project.

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it seems like there's something weird going on here. I would suggest that the commissioners disclose who lives on that street,
Or who owns property on that street,

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and who parks their car there. Pink tesla on the proposed bike lane across from their
House under a sign that says you cannot park there.

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so I think you got to set a personal example. You got to disclose what your real motives are with this ordinance and follow the ogs
Recommendation.

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so please take two steps forward. Don't take us back. Thank you, thank you. Our next caller is margie schmidgall.

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please go ahead. Margie, unmute yourself, please.

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let's go to the next caller. Alright. Can you hear me now? Yeah. Can you hear me now? Yep. My apologies. I'm a resident here since 2019.

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I'm in the collins park area, and I have a car,
But rarely use it because miami beach is a

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great town to be biking in, and anything you do to enhance the bike lanes is essential to
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more safe and welcoming city. And people should be biking if they can because it's it's
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driving. And we have you know, now it's harder and harder to go into miami because of all
The traffic.

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if you think that a bike lane on alton road is a viable alternative for bikers,
You're nuts because it's scary and you can't bike

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there. So any bike lanes you can put in I, I heartily endorse also about arts funding.

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the reason I came to miami beach is because the arts make it magical.

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and the fact that the city supports art, outdoors,
Music, dance the ocean

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promenade concert series, which that gentleman said in the beginning is no,
Nobody goes to you can't get a chair there.

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you know, they provide chairs unless you get there before five,
When it starts, and then people have blankets all around.

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it's a wonderful. Yes, it would be nice if another 100 people showed up,
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the the music is great and any musical event outdoors makes this what miami beach should
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a destination for culture as well as for, you know,
Running.

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so our next caller is lori beckham. Good morning everyone.

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thank you for your time today. Lori balkam, executive director of power access in the
South beach jazz festival,

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1616. Michigan avenue, suite one, miami beach.

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I'm here today in opposition. On behalf of our organization for our seven d cultural arts
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lifeblood of our city. It is quality of life.

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it is economy. It is tourism. It is multifaceted and includes organizations,
Both anchors and

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presenters from all over the area. Power access is a cultural presenter.

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this allows us to work lean and mean and we do activations throughout our city.

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we just had the 10th annual south beach jazz festival,
Which is become a world class event.

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that is recognized all over the country in jazz circles and more.

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we were organically featured on cbs sunday morning as one of the best things to do in the
Nation the week of our festival.

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that goes to show the presence of this festival and our full cultural arts programing that
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created. Our organization and others like ours would not exist without the support of the
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dedication to cultural arts funding. So please continue on for all the presenters.

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it is an important tapestry of programing. We all collaborate together and each is
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I also want to say that the cultural arts center that would be going on the byron site is
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much needed performance space. Our next caller is alex.

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alex, state your name and you have two minutes. Please go ahead. Hi. Good morning. My name is alex jimenez.

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I live on belle isle, 13 ferry lane in miami beach. I'm calling to urge against item c7. Z this idea to spend a quarter of $1 million to cut
Back the sea grapes on the on the beach walk.

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I think the beach walk is one of our best. I think it's probably the best public amenity
In the city.

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I use it every weekend, every as much as I can,
Probably all the time on my bike running.

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and this just feels like another bad idea following a pattern of a lot of bad,
Ugly, sloppy decisions on the on the beach walk,

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you'll notice they use asphalt black asphalt to repair brick brick paved sections.

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so where there's brick, they're putting black asphalt,
The one you put on the street. It's been there for years. That's how they repair our beach walk.

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concrete balls were recently installed to prevent people from sitting. They look horrible. They look ugly. And I think now the city that the same city that's
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that has shown sloppy work wants to cut back our native sea grape canopy.

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and I think it's beautiful the way it is. It protects sea turtles from artificial light,
And it creates tunnel like sections that people actually like.

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walking through the shade is very nice. The legislation mentions that there's obstructive,

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that these trees obstruct scenic views, which I find offensive.

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those views should be very low on the list of priorities before any work is done on the
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two things need to happen one, the public needs to see a clear rendering of what the beach
Walk will look like afterward,

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so we know it won't be cut all the way back and made ugly like other things are done on
The beach walk.

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two there must be a real scientific review and sign off,
Including from sea turtle experts and the army corps of engineers,

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not just government officials. If these two things cannot happen,
This project should not move forward.

356
00:44:18,020 --> 00:44:18,020
thank you. Thank you. Our next caller is alicia casanova.

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00:44:28,580 --> 00:44:28,580
good morning, I'm alicia casanova. I am representing the mid-beach neighborhood
Association.

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the nba fully supports commissioner fernandez's resolution c7 ab,
Opposing the amendment to house bill 399,

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which would preempt enforce local governments to approve certain development applications
Submitted by large designated destination resorts such as the fontainebleau hotel,

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thereby overriding applicable provisions of the city's land development regulations,
As well as the independent authority of the historic preservation board and other land use

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boards to review and approve such application,
And for foreclosing existing opportunities for public input.

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00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:10,190
we really appreciate your help with this battle we're fighting right now with the state of
Florida.

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00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:15,750
thank you. Thank you. Our next caller has initials w.r.

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00:45:20,070 --> 00:45:20,070
please state your name and go ahead, please. You have two minutes. Good morning,
Ladies and gentlemen,

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wayne roberts at the fifth. I just wanted to state that,
As you know, I'm a I'm a big proponent for the ferry services

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that miami beach and the barrier islands can have going forward.

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high speed ferry services that are electric that seattle currently utilizes.

368
00:45:47,530 --> 00:45:47,530
we have a much better weather, much better water system to enable it and much better,
Bigger need,

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not just for miami beach, but all the barrier island towns.

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and it could connect all those towns to the city in a high speed manner.

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and whatever federal, state and county funding that we can get from transportation
Departments would would have a

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major impact quickly on, on the residents of this city and,
And anybody along the barrier islands that we're developing

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and I applaud applaud anybody that supports that effort.

374
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:31,500
thank you. Thank you. Our next caller is marc gellman.

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00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:44,740
unmute okay. Good morning. Can you hear me? Yes. Go ahead please. Okay. Marc gellman live on prairie avenue,
Have been here for almost 40 years.

376
00:46:52,260 --> 00:46:52,260
here to speak against c7. You. I think all of us would agree that one of the biggest
Problems we have here on miami beach is traffic.

377
00:47:01,180 --> 00:47:01,180
and traffic comes from two sources. It comes from people crossing the bridge,
Commuters.

378
00:47:07,180 --> 00:47:10,780
and the solution to that, the only solution will be mass transit. And I know we're not ready to go in that direction.

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00:47:13,340 --> 00:47:13,340
then the other source of traffic is residents that have to move around the city,
Whether it's shopping or picking up their kids from school.

380
00:47:20,940 --> 00:47:20,940
and one of the areas many people shop in is down by sunset harbor between publix,
Fresh market,

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00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:27,750
trader joe's, etc. And many people like to use their bicycles to do their shopping.

382
00:47:33,590 --> 00:47:33,590
the two streets that are being proposed to remove during for this resolution are both
Streets that will allow people to get from sunset

383
00:47:43,350 --> 00:47:43,350
harbor area or south beach area up to mid-beach and further up whether they're going to go
Up prairie avenue,

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00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:50,870
they need to go along chase or they need to go along meridian.

385
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:59,030
I've spoken to residents that live on meridian. They are in favor of seeing a bike path along that.

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00:48:03,310 --> 00:48:03,310
so I don't know why. After years of working on this problem of of trying to close the gaps
Where there are gaps in bike lanes,

387
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why suddenly we've spent a lot of money working on this problem,
And suddenly it wants to be these two streets.

388
00:48:19,110 --> 00:48:22,430
they want to remove what we've worked on so hard. So I am against c7. You. I have no idea how this suddenly popped up.

389
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:28,000
thank you, thank you. Our lax, our last virtual caller,
Has a screen name of zeno.

390
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:33,280
please go ahead. Hey, good morning guys. I live on meridian.

391
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:41,440
yeah. Zeno. I live on meridian. I own a house there.

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00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:47,960
I think the. I'm in support of item c7. You absolutely against spending all this public
Funding on annette on the golf course.

393
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,560
I bike myself constantly there. I take walks. I've never once been felt threatened by a little golf ball.

394
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,720
I think we could do a lot better to allocate the funds. We have flooding issues. There's all sorts of structural issues across miami beach,
And I think spending money on this is absolutely unnecessary and not the right,

395
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,640
right way to allocate funds. Thank you so much,
Sir. Go ahead please. Good morning. Ian hendry, 1330 ocean drive.

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00:49:23,610 --> 00:49:23,610
I'm asking for a deferral on r7. You until the following issues have been fully resolved,
Which haven't been proven during the previous

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00:49:33,530 --> 00:49:33,530
street closure. The front door egress to the hotels and properties,
Uber rideshare pick up and drop off.

398
00:49:41,530 --> 00:49:41,530
okay. Accessibility. The impact that the delivery drivers and trucks have if they're not
Going to be able to get to ocean drive

399
00:49:51,370 --> 00:49:51,370
and they park in the middle of collins avenue,
The life safety response times that were delayed during the closure.

400
00:50:00,970 --> 00:50:00,970
okay. And ocean court's inability to handle the extra traffic.

401
00:50:07,250 --> 00:50:07,250
there's been several times where basic services such as trash pickup has been impossible
Because ocean court has been blocked.

402
00:50:17,050 --> 00:50:19,610
I really urge you, what was the first item you mentioned? Sorry? You gave a list. I'm actually jotting it down.

403
00:50:23,180 --> 00:50:23,180
what was the one before? Uber rideshare. Before the uber rideshare was the sorry,
The the front door egress,

404
00:50:32,980 --> 00:50:36,660
the access. Thank you. You have everything else? I do, thank you. Okay. Yeah. I mean this has been an experiment that's been going on for
Six years.

405
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:45,300
I can tell you now that our business is actually up 20% since you implemented the one way
Of ocean drive instead of the full closure.

406
00:50:55,540 --> 00:50:55,540
and I would urge you to reconsider before you just close ocean drive and just make it a
Dead zone.

407
00:51:01,420 --> 00:51:01,420
thank you. Thank you. Next, please. Good morning everyone.

408
00:51:09,740 --> 00:51:09,740
my name is elias hane. I'm with associated parking systems.

409
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:13,900
I provide valet parking services in between eighth and 12th street and ocean.

410
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:18,500
I was recently advised by the parking department that we're not we're going to be
Relocated to collins avenue for valet parking services,

411
00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:26,510
but they're going to leave ocean drive open. I understand that,
But what I'm asking is requesting is to keep to keep up the barricades.

412
00:51:36,270 --> 00:51:36,270
that helps the traffic flow and prevents people from blocking the ramp loading zone and
Putting out of their cars.

413
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:47,270
so that's what I'm requesting. Thank you sir. Thank you. David wallach I want to speak in

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00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:57,030
terms to this r seven you pedestrianization and the concept that is so half baked that it
Shouldn't be considered even yet

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00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:06,790
before it goes to a full workshop. First I'm going to I'm just going to read from your
Resolution.

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00:52:13,390 --> 00:52:13,390
fdot florida state their feedback emphasized the need to understand how any proposed
Modifications to ocean drive would affect collins

417
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:23,280
avenue, particularly at its interface at fifth street,
And the potential downstream impacts to adjacent corridors such as washington avenue,

418
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:33,240
even to alton road. Continuing on any reliance on ocean court and for everybody's
Edification,

419
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:43,280
ocean court is the alley. It's not a street. It's the alley in between buildings from that
Back buildings up to buildings from

420
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:52,880
ocean to collins. Just an alley with dumpsters.

421
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:57,200
garbage trucks. You want to call it a road? It's not any reliance.

422
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:03,640
and this is from dade county. Henry. Alliance of ocean court would not result in a permit
Approval.

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because the east west streets will result in dead end streets turn around,
Cul de sacs will be required that will trigger a county wide

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00:53:21,690 --> 00:53:21,690
referendum. This option of pedestrianization would generate increased traffic volumes

425
00:53:31,690 --> 00:53:31,690
and queuing on collins avenue and washington avenue,
Adversely affecting levels of service and potentially requiring mitigation efforts such as

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00:53:41,410 --> 00:53:41,410
new signal timings and curbside adjustments. The anticipated increase in parking demand
Along collins avenue and washington avenue

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00:53:51,370 --> 00:53:51,370
may exceed available supply, forcing demand westward,
Potentially exacerbating spillover effects.

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00:53:59,010 --> 00:53:59,010
increasing these constraints would require expanded transit service,
And investment in active transportation infrastructure to

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00:54:08,650 --> 00:54:12,290
accommodate the modal shift away from private vehicle use. One more thing, primarily the lack of vehicular traffic access complicates deliveries.

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00:54:19,310 --> 00:54:19,310
emergency vehicle access and transit service continuity.

431
00:54:24,070 --> 00:54:24,070
it also presents significant vehicular redistribution impacts on collins avenue and
Surrounding streets,

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00:54:30,830 --> 00:54:30,830
some of which would need to be absorbed by the district,
Which would have to absorb displaced traffic.

433
00:54:37,390 --> 00:54:37,390
delivery trucks would be parking for hours on collins avenue.

434
00:54:41,790 --> 00:54:41,790
thank you sir. I think fdot would be extremely concerned with that,
To say nothing of the massive litigation that this concept of

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00:54:51,070 --> 00:54:51,070
pedestrianization would create for this city.

436
00:54:55,150 --> 00:54:55,150
thank you. That concludes mayor. Okay. Thank you.

437
00:55:00,590 --> 00:55:02,910
take it away, ralph. On the consent agenda. Yes,
Sir. Thank you. Everyone who called in and spoke. The following items have been separated from
The consent agenda.

438
00:55:08,910 --> 00:55:08,910
mayor minor is separating c7 r so mayor minor c7.

439
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:15,720
vice mayor mateo- salinas is separating c7. You so vice mayor c7 you and commissioner
Suarez is separating the following items

440
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:25,800
c7 z as in zebra, c4, c4, c4, c4,

441
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:35,680
c4, t as in tom and c7 l. I'm going to repeat them c7 z c4 ralph isn't c7 z an

442
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,560
addendum item? It is, but they want to make sure that it's discussed. So it is c4, c4, c4, c4, c7, and c7 l. And for the record,
The mayor has not

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approved the inclusion of any of the addendum items. Any such items will be heard after 5:00. These include c4,
L, c4, m r9 and c4 n c4

444
00:56:10,730 --> 00:56:10,730
c7, c7, z, c7, aa, c4. Q, c7, ab, c7, ac, and c7 ad.

445
00:56:19,490 --> 00:56:23,410
those are all listed on your time certain list. Mr.. Mayor commissioner fernandez. I make a motion on the consent agenda,
Excluding those items that have been separated.

446
00:56:33,450 --> 00:56:33,450
second. Yeah, I heard commissioner. Motion by commissioner fernandez. I have a second by
Vice mayor mateo-

447
00:56:38,250 --> 00:56:41,930
salinas. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none. The consent agenda, excluding the separated and the addendum items are
Approved.

448
00:56:48,610 --> 00:56:48,610
okay, we heard from our residents and businesses about a number of items this morning,
But let's start with r-7.

449
00:56:56,730 --> 00:56:56,730
you. R-7 you is accept recommendation configuration for ocean drive corridor r-7 you.

450
00:57:16,940 --> 00:57:16,940
good morning. David. David. David gomez, director of the office of capital improvement for
The city of miami beach.

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00:57:24,260 --> 00:57:24,260
this item is, as you all, I'm sure will recall began before february of 2022,
When the

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commission adopted a vision plan created by zivkovich that looked conceptually and at a
Very high level at potential reconfigurations for ocean

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00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:44,100
drive. Essentially, they identified three visions,
Which included two way traffic, one way southbound and full

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00:57:53,860 --> 00:57:53,860
pedestrianization. Following that adaptation or adoption,
In october of 22, the city contracted calvin giordano and associates

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00:58:03,620 --> 00:58:03,620
to further examine each of those configurations and identify what could be done and how to
Move forward from there.

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coming back with a recommendation so that you,
This body can decide on which configuration to further pursue each of the three

457
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:22,870
configurations poses benefits and detractions.

458
00:58:31,390 --> 00:58:31,390
these things are evaluated and presented in the,
In the memo.

459
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:38,230
but for example, the vision plan in two of the three options occupied a portion of lummus
Park.

460
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:47,190
both of those options, the two way traffic and the one way southbound moved traffic into
The park required,

461
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:58,550
which would require a county wide referendum. In the process of evaluating the options, calvin giordano identified ways to mitigate
Restrictions to permitting.

462
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:08,240
for example, the counties made very clear that we cannot rely on ocean court as an
Alternate traffic route.

463
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:14,280
calvin giordano has developed a scheme which which would eliminate the need of reliance on
Ocean court

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00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:24,080
while accommodating turnaround traffic in the in the dead ends.

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00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:28,160
what mr. Wallach referred to earlier about the county wide referendum for the turnarounds
Is there was,

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00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:34,920
as part of the the study, a look at how those turnarounds would happen and they would
Occupy a large portion of the park,

467
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,840
again triggering the requirement for a countywide referendum. Calvin giordano has developed a scheme which removes that portion from the park,
Eliminating that requirement.

468
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:53,560
we have met preliminarily with the county, and they are in agreement that this is a viable
Solution.

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01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:01,880
so that eliminates that requirement. Back in.

470
01:00:19,970 --> 01:00:19,970
apologies. I can't find the date. And I'm sorry.

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01:00:24,450 --> 01:00:24,450
in may of 2025, we did provide an update, and we heard very loud and clear from this body
That the preference was

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01:00:34,650 --> 01:00:34,650
for full pedestrianization. So we've looked at the potential obstacles and potential
Benefits of that layout,

473
01:00:44,010 --> 01:00:44,010
and are making the recommendation to proceed with the further development of full
Pedestrianization.

474
01:00:50,290 --> 01:00:50,290
the things to consider here is that full pedestrianization will require two way traffic on
Each of the side streets.

475
01:00:58,850 --> 01:01:02,780
what that means is as part of the the master plan. Using bike lanes on those traffic on those streets would not be allowed just because they
Wouldn't fit.

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01:01:09,140 --> 01:01:09,140
however, they are small streets and sharrows could be incorporated.

477
01:01:13,180 --> 01:01:13,180
we would lose some number of on street parking on the side streets to accommodate loading
Zones for deliveries.

478
01:01:21,340 --> 01:01:21,340
we have looked at delivery for businesses on ocean drive.

479
01:01:26,620 --> 01:01:26,620
we could accommodate most of the delivery vehicles along the side streets through those
Loading zones.

480
01:01:34,140 --> 01:01:34,140
we would have to restrict the very largest of vehicles,
Such as the 18 wheelers, would not be able to accommodate or access the fronts or or even

481
01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:43,700
alton court of those businesses. So we can do that either by restricting the size of
Delivery vehicles,

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01:01:49,260 --> 01:01:49,260
serving those businesses, or setting up delivery times and utilizing collins avenue as a
Loading zone.

483
01:01:57,060 --> 01:01:57,060
given the time slots that we could accommodate those vehicles.

484
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:01,200
and I do have our consultant here to answer any questions.

485
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:05,640
should I have missed anything? Mr. Mayor, I'm happy to move. Staff recommendation.

486
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:09,880
second. Commissioner dominguez. I have a question.

487
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:19,760
you mentioned that on the side streets, parking would be lost.

488
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,280
there are residents and businesses that rely on the parking. How much parking is going to be lost there? I don't have an exact number of lost spaces.

489
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:34,600
some spaces would remain just because we're we're looking to accommodate the turnaround as
Well as some loading zones.

490
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:42,080
but I don't have an exact number. I can give that to you.

491
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:47,920
if I could that also could depend on where exactly the turnaround gets installed.

492
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:55,720
our proposal is that the turnaround would be provided between the alley and ocean drive,
So that there is a consistent pedestrian promenade along

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01:03:05,570 --> 01:03:05,570
ocean. And so you would lose those parking spaces east of the alley.

494
01:03:15,010 --> 01:03:15,010
but there is a version where those turnarounds could take place on ocean drive proper,
Which would reintroduce those parking spaces,

495
01:03:24,330 --> 01:03:24,330
but would then ultimately break up the pedestrianization of ocean.

496
01:03:28,530 --> 01:03:28,530
but this is why we need to coordinate with dpw,
Because allowing staff to go forward and start negotiating with dpw will determine where

497
01:03:37,090 --> 01:03:37,090
that turnaround would happen. If it's going to happen on ocean drive or east of the
Alleyway between the alleyway and ocean drive,

498
01:03:44,810 --> 01:03:48,130
and by consequence will determine the loss of parking 100%. Correct. And I have another question, commissioner dominguez.

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01:03:51,570 --> 01:03:51,570
afterwards a few other things. The delivery truck impacts would be

500
01:04:01,540 --> 01:04:01,540
then from ocean drive to the side. What about the trash ocean

501
01:04:11,780 --> 01:04:11,780
can't be a regular corridor. How is the disruption in trash collection going to work?

502
01:04:17,580 --> 01:04:20,940
thank you for asking. Ocean court would remain as is today. So the the trash services would still be provided on ocean court as well as many of the
Deliveries and service vehicles that that use ocean court.

503
01:04:29,980 --> 01:04:29,980
we just can't use it as a thoroughfare and ada accessibility,
Ada accessibility.

504
01:04:38,060 --> 01:04:38,060
we would obviously have the identified ada parking spaces,
But we would also incorporate drop off at each of the turnarounds for not only ada,

505
01:04:46,540 --> 01:04:46,540
but I'll drop off and has life safety response times been reviewed.

506
01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:52,500
each of the turnarounds would accommodate a method for the emergency vehicles to access
Ocean drive.

507
01:04:59,310 --> 01:04:59,310
so we're we're still working on the details,
But yes, we would accommodate emergency vehicle access.

508
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:07,230
okay. Thank you. I have a couple of questions. Eric. Thank you. David. Good in-depth summary.

509
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:14,470
if you can give us a the other day, you gave me a 32nd summary. Eric, I think it would be helpful to people to hear it. Okay,
So we've looked at all the different permutations of this.

510
01:05:21,950 --> 01:05:25,670
thank you to calvin giordano for doing such a thorough job. They've articulated many of the the challenges that would exist in any of the different
Options.

511
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:33,430
but what we're recommending here is that we would fully pedestrianize ocean drive.

512
01:05:39,110 --> 01:05:39,110
we would incorporate a turnaround close to the alleyway just east of the alleyway in the
100 blocks,

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01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:47,510
which would allow for a turning movement, a one movement turning movement for pedestrian
Vehicle passenger vehicles.

514
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:57,560
trucks would have the ability to turn around using the alleyways.

515
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:03,000
and ultimately we would have to get the county to buy into that and sign off on that.

516
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:09,840
if the county doesn't sign off on that, then this resolution recommends that we go with a
Secondary option of introducing

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01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:20,360
one way movements in alternating blocks eastbound on one street,
Southbound on ocean,

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01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:29,880
westbound on the next street. And so you would have intermittent pedestrianization blocks.

519
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:35,840
if we can't get the county to buy into the concept of full pedestrianization if this is
Approved,

520
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:41,640
when when would it go into effect at earliest?

521
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:45,760
the the challenge would be in the permitting process just because there is a current
Permit that's still open on ocean drive for the one way southbound,

522
01:06:55,090 --> 01:06:55,090
we would have to close that entire process before we can submit the permit to the county
For review.

523
01:07:00,930 --> 01:07:00,930
so there's a little bit of a delay there. Then it's the negotiations with the county on
How we do it.

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01:07:06,490 --> 01:07:06,490
then following that, the the completion of the construction documents,
Which I think we said eight months.

525
01:07:13,330 --> 01:07:13,330
it's approximately eight months to complete the construction documents and then complete
The permitting and bidding and construction.

526
01:07:20,210 --> 01:07:20,210
and what's the thinking from changing from the current iteration to what the proposal is?

527
01:07:27,490 --> 01:07:27,490
so the thinking in moving from the current one way condition to the full pedestrianization
Is that we believe that that is the

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01:07:37,330 --> 01:07:37,330
long term best solution for the city, based on the analysis that we've done,
As well as some of the things that we think

529
01:07:47,580 --> 01:07:47,580
are are going to be the future of ocean drive and loomis park.

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01:07:52,180 --> 01:07:52,180
we think that this sets the city up to be in the best position for the next 30 years.

531
01:07:57,780 --> 01:07:57,780
if I could expand on that, moving from the current condition to the proposed condition is
What allows the city to expand the sidewalks and create

532
01:08:07,380 --> 01:08:07,380
better walking areas, more cafe space, etc.. So it is a change to the environment,
Not just the roadway.

533
01:08:18,420 --> 01:08:18,420
I've had a few stakeholders and I'm sure I'm not the only one they reached out,
So I want to ask.

534
01:08:23,380 --> 01:08:23,380
I know they've they've said, why can't we have the one way but going northbound.

535
01:08:29,020 --> 01:08:31,820
did you ever analyze that and what's the thinking. So we did analyze that. And I see jose gonzalez is here.

536
01:08:36,140 --> 01:08:36,140
my understanding is that you could possibly do both,
One or the other.

537
01:08:42,340 --> 01:08:42,340
we believe and and we continue to believe that the southbound option is the better option,

538
01:08:49,950 --> 01:08:49,950
and it creates a situation where outbound flow of traffic doesn't get restricted the way
You would have if you had northbound

539
01:08:59,750 --> 01:08:59,750
flow. Fifth street is a larger facility and is able to accept traffic as it exits ocean
Drive.

540
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:06,950
if you were to dump everybody onto 15th street,
I think you would have challenges.

541
01:09:12,350 --> 01:09:12,350
that's exactly right. Okay. Thank you. And if I may not,
As a non traffic engineer, one of the things I've learned during this

542
01:09:22,230 --> 01:09:22,230
process is that northbound one lane traffic or one way northbound actually increases the
Potential conflict points as vehicles need to turn left,

543
01:09:31,790 --> 01:09:31,790
crossing the potential either pedestrians or other areas,
Whereas southbound has a fewer conflict points.

544
01:09:40,030 --> 01:09:40,030
commissioner dominguez. Some businesses rely on valet.

545
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:44,880
where will that be done? Those valet spots will be at each of the side streets.

546
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:50,840
not each wherever they are now, they would. We would accommodate on this side streets.

547
01:09:57,440 --> 01:09:57,440
I know you touched on. Can you just address the emergency response times?

548
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:02,840
okay. The the emergency response times. Obviously there would be a a gate or bollard
System where we're actually looking at active vehicle barriers,

549
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,680
which are the the ones that drop into the ground. So that is an impact by fully pedestrianizing ocean drive.

550
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:22,400
as the emergency vehicles approach, those bollards were dropped. They can drive on to
Ocean drive.

551
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:27,200
they obviously have to be careful with pedestrians,
But there should not be a big difference in response times.

552
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:34,320
commissioner fernandez, mr. Mayor, I think of when when you go to any major destination,
You go to barcelona.

553
01:10:42,300 --> 01:10:42,300
they have las ramblas. You go to new york, they have times square and you go to paris
During certain times of the year.

554
01:10:50,900 --> 01:10:50,900
champs-elysees is completely or at least partially pedestrianized.

555
01:10:56,580 --> 01:10:56,580
you know, we have friends on both sides of this issue and important stakeholders and
Beloved stakeholders on both sides of the,

556
01:11:05,220 --> 01:11:05,220
of the issue. But the future, the future of prospering cities is accommodating
Pedestrianism accommodating

557
01:11:15,140 --> 01:11:15,140
a vibe for, for for for our health and wellness brand.

558
01:11:20,180 --> 01:11:20,180
and it's also good for the economy. We know that that that prospering cities offer
Pedestrianization so that restaurants can,

559
01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:30,100
can expand so that so the businesses that have limited indoor real estate can prosper.

560
01:11:36,180 --> 01:11:36,180
and people are truly able to not only enjoy the environment,
But also enjoy more closely our our architecture.

561
01:11:45,070 --> 01:11:45,070
I think this is the future, and I think that this will actually support and help the
Economy of the businesses along this road,

562
01:11:52,150 --> 01:11:52,150
as it has in all of these other tourist destinations,
Where they have proven its success.

563
01:11:59,310 --> 01:12:02,830
commissioner magazine commissioner fernandez. Agree wholeheartedly. Wholeheartedly. That is the long term vision.

564
01:12:07,670 --> 01:12:07,670
that is where the world is going. If you look at some of the most special places in the
World,

565
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:12,950
that is what it looks like. I do have a caveat or reservation,
Though, in that I think we need to look at and

566
01:12:22,670 --> 01:12:22,670
sometimes what we don't get right in this city is a comprehensive plan or vision.

567
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:28,630
so I love this vision for ocean drive. But the,
The fatal error is if we don't do

568
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,440
comprehensive urban planning in the surrounding areas. What we need to make this vision feel activated.

569
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:46,240
and I'll steal one of david wallach's words to add that oxygen is people,
Right?

570
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:52,040
so if we're going to be taking the cars away,
Which I agree is that vision and what's what makes places special,

571
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:00,520
especially a beachfront plaza. We need people.

572
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:05,840
and in that area it's one of the least. I hate to use the word dense,
But there's just not a lot of people around,

573
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:13,880
right? If you look at the businesses up on collins avenue from fifth to,
Let's call it 12th street,

574
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:21,280
that corridor is died. Died, right. Because if you go stand on fifth and collins,
The bank just went out of

575
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:30,960
business. The gym's not doing well. The retail on the ground floor is not doing well.

576
01:13:36,530 --> 01:13:40,290
if you look around, you say, where are my customers going to come from? Right? Whether you're a gym or a sandwich shop or anything else,
You do a 360 degree spin.

577
01:13:46,650 --> 01:13:46,650
you say, where are my customers? Right? And that's I don't mean to harp on this washington
Avenue thing,

578
01:13:53,090 --> 01:13:53,090
but that is the comprehensive plan. When I think about pedestrianizing ocean drive,
It's because at 5 p.m.,

579
01:14:01,090 --> 01:14:01,090
I want to go there after work or after school and see thousands of people out there
Rollerblading and running and jogging and

580
01:14:10,450 --> 01:14:10,450
enjoying the most beautiful natural resource that miami has to offer.

581
01:14:15,850 --> 01:14:15,850
but we need the people to be able to do that. So we need comprehensive planning around
That.

582
01:14:21,130 --> 01:14:21,130
if we don't get that right, we're going to have some of the issues that we're facing on
Lincoln road.

583
01:14:26,130 --> 01:14:26,130
I took a picture of lincoln road, and I wish I had it in time for the two day rule for the
Presentation today,

584
01:14:33,820 --> 01:14:33,820
but it was from alton road looking east. We're talking about 8 a.m.

585
01:14:38,740 --> 01:14:38,740
and this is our major downtown, if you will. There wasn't a single human being on that
Road,

586
01:14:45,220 --> 01:14:45,220
right? Because there's not a lot of human beings that live in that immediate proximity.

587
01:14:49,940 --> 01:14:49,940
and that's kind of the comprehensive vision that we need to fill in to make ocean drive
Pedestrianized,

588
01:14:56,620 --> 01:14:56,620
successful in the long term. David, I have a question.

589
01:15:01,100 --> 01:15:01,100
the longer term plan, I don't not even longer term,
But in the near to medium term, is ocean drive just going to look as it is just

590
01:15:10,940 --> 01:15:10,940
without cars? Is there still going to be the sidewalk and then we're going to have the
Street?

591
01:15:17,060 --> 01:15:20,140
when I think about doing this, I want to do it right. I want to do it comprehensively. I don't want people to feel as if we're in some sort of
Temporary purgatory of,

592
01:15:27,380 --> 01:15:30,300
oh, this could be a road one day. This could be a street one day. This should be a beautiful pedestrian plaza. If we're going to go,
Let's push our chips all in and go all in.

593
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:37,350
right. It shouldn't be a sidewalk, yellow paint and then a street.

594
01:15:43,470 --> 01:15:43,470
let's push our chips all in and make this one of the most special places in the world.

595
01:15:49,470 --> 01:15:53,110
and I'll let you explain a little more about the vision. It is not just sidewalk and then other areas.

596
01:15:57,750 --> 01:16:01,510
the the vision is actually to create that plaza. Good morning. John. With calvin giordano. It's a pleasure.

597
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:04,310
the the ultimate vision for ocean drive would be to create it more like a linear plaza.

598
01:16:10,030 --> 01:16:10,030
the intention behind the initial visions and the plan was to create a curbless street so
You wouldn't have a vertical separation of that curve

599
01:16:19,870 --> 01:16:19,870
between the roadway and the sidewalk. And the idea would be,
If you've been to clematis street up in west palm beach,

600
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:26,630
to have that sort of storefront to park front continuity and that seamlessness between
Ocean drive and lummus park.

601
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,880
that is the overall intention. And when do we get there? Well, we have to go through that permitting process. I think that that's the critical
Component to make sure that we get the buy in from from the county.

602
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:45,040
I believe you mentioned something about a midterm or a a near term change.

603
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:50,240
there was an item discussed at commission about potentially upgrading some of the
Sidewalks,

604
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:54,480
lighting, etc. On ocean drive. We did go out to the community and we we presented some
Options in doing that.

605
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:00,600
there was considerable pushback. Pushback? It was not received well by the community.

606
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:07,600
so it stopped at that point and we didn't. And I'll tell you in some of these,
And I'm not talking about the specifics of this,

607
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:14,160
but in some of these comprehensive plans and visions,
There's going to be people that agree disagree for anything.

608
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:20,800
and where we've really erred over the years as a city is some of these projects.

609
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,770
we get to the one yard line or the ten yard line. And some people say, oh no, no. And we all of a sudden get cold feet.

610
01:17:35,610 --> 01:17:35,610
and this is how west avenue doesn't get done for 20 years,
Right?

611
01:17:42,770 --> 01:17:45,490
this is how lincoln road doesn't get done for a long time. So I don't want 20 years to go by or ten years or five years.

612
01:17:52,610 --> 01:17:52,610
and we've made this commitment to pedestrianize ocean drive,
But we're still sitting around,

613
01:17:58,290 --> 01:18:01,170
and it just looks like any normal street and sidewalk. We need to push the chips into the middle and really go forward with this.

614
01:18:05,850 --> 01:18:05,850
commissioner bhatt and commissioner suarez and commissioner mateo-
Salinas. So I want to build on what my colleagues have said about this being a

615
01:18:15,250 --> 01:18:17,450
transformative project for the future of the city. I know change is hard. It doesn't come all at once,
And it's complicated.

616
01:18:23,770 --> 01:18:27,510
but in addition to what my colleagues have already said on this matter. We know from the reams of data that that are out there.

617
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:34,070
I brought a bunch of examples when we talked about this last year. I didn't bring them again today, but the data quite conclusively shows that pedestrianized
Plazas and streets increase retail business,

618
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:42,790
increased dining business. Because people stroll through,
They wander in, they have a cup of coffee,

619
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:49,030
they go out, they do some shopping, they go and go to the beach.

620
01:18:53,070 --> 01:18:53,070
they come back, they go for lunch. You know,
It is not the same if you're using ocean drive as a thoroughfare.

621
01:19:00,670 --> 01:19:00,670
to get from point a to point b, that is not the same experience.

622
01:19:05,630 --> 01:19:05,630
you know, I recently rewatched birdcage, which is if anyone hasn't watched it recently,
I highly encourage it.

623
01:19:13,670 --> 01:19:17,230
it is awesome. But that is not the ocean drive we are anymore. It was jam packed with cars. People in, you know,
80s jane fonda workout outfits and roller blades,

624
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,440
and that's still holds true. David. David does still wear that occasionally. But that that's not that's not where we are as a city anymore.

625
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:32,760
yes. To fitness, clearly, but not weaving your way through cars to do so.

626
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:38,040
I think this will be such an upgrade to what is already an amazing public amenity and a
World class destination,

627
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:44,840
and I think we're going to look back in ten years,
Even those who are concerned about how it's going to impact their business.

628
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:50,920
we will look back in ten years from its its opening and say,
I can't believe we ever resisted this.

629
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:57,320
I do. I'm not being cavalier about the concerns that are being raised about how do we
Address our hotel guests,

630
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:04,680
how do we address our dining guests? We will work those details out.

631
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:08,920
we will make the experience a welcoming one from the point of departure from their vehicle
To the point of entrance to their destination.

632
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:18,000
we can work with the ocean drive association the the the businesses themselves can.

633
01:20:24,770 --> 01:20:24,770
one second, please, david. We can work with the the businesses to to make a beautiful
Experience.

634
01:20:32,690 --> 01:20:32,690
I've been to hotels where they pick you up in a,
In a, you know, a beautiful car that is branded.

635
01:20:39,490 --> 01:20:39,490
and they, they make it a welcoming destination,
Part of the check in process.

636
01:20:44,010 --> 01:20:44,010
you know, there's a water in the back and the driver answers questions about,
You know, the environment.

637
01:20:50,330 --> 01:20:50,330
we will get it right. We will get it right. We will incorporate everybody's feedback and
Get it right.

638
01:20:56,410 --> 01:20:59,210
the other thing, joe, you mentioned the meeting. Or david, you mentioned the meeting actually last year where there was very strong
Pushback about making changes to the sidewalks and lighting and to the park

639
01:21:09,770 --> 01:21:09,770
in advance of this, I think. And that is a correct assessment.

640
01:21:14,130 --> 01:21:14,130
but I believe that that was before we had made a decision,
And there was a lot of concern that nobody wanted to spend money on something that would

641
01:21:22,980 --> 01:21:22,980
just be ripped up again. So if there is a way to,
As we're working on the permits, start also developing the cosmetic part of this,

642
01:21:31,500 --> 01:21:31,500
knowing that what we're aiming for and we can start to make those improvements that will
Not then be ripped up,

643
01:21:41,260 --> 01:21:44,700
but will be incorporated into what is to come. That would be, I think, a great way to move forward to elevate the experience as we're
Transitioning,

644
01:21:51,540 --> 01:21:51,540
as you suggested, joe. So that's what I would like to encourage.

645
01:21:58,460 --> 01:21:58,460
thank you. Commissioner suarez I'd like to invite our chief of police up.

646
01:22:06,140 --> 01:22:06,140
I got a couple questions.

647
01:22:18,710 --> 01:22:18,710
good morning, wayne jones, police chief. Good morning chief. Good morning sir. I remember,

648
01:22:24,830 --> 01:22:24,830
I believe during covid there when we did go full pedestrian for,
For a period of time, there was unintended consequences.

649
01:22:33,150 --> 01:22:33,150
such as. Stampedes, overcrowding. Especially during the high impact periods.

650
01:22:40,630 --> 01:22:40,630
if we go through with this does is the police supportive of this measure where you can
Effectively manage crowd

651
01:22:50,270 --> 01:22:50,270
control on ocean drive? Yeah. Well, covid, as you know,
Is problematic in all hosts for host reasons.

652
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:57,910
I don't think the issues associated with covid was simply limited to the closure of ocean
Drive,

653
01:23:04,990 --> 01:23:04,990
at any rate. I think from police perspective,
Whether ocean drive remains open as it is today or closed permanently at some point will

654
01:23:12,590 --> 01:23:12,590
police as best we can. Obviously this decision is a policy decision to be made,
But we're committed to policing,

655
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:19,360
whether closed or open. Okay. I just want to I just want to hear from the police.

656
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:24,160
if it's if it's something you can do. Is it possible to do crowd control and management
Again on ocean drive if you needed to?

657
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:32,840
yes. Okay. If that's the charge, we'll make it happen.

658
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:36,880
that's it. Thank you. All right. So I have two questions.

659
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:42,920
first of all, this plan will include the sidewalk cafes will still be able to operate
Because we won't have ocean drive anymore.

660
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,880
theoretically, there would actually be more space for the sidewalk cafes. Okay, so those businesses would be able to expand and have more restaurant space to
Increase their revenue.

661
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:01,880
okay. And then my second question is, have we figured out yet addressed what would happen
To our premier events,

662
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:09,760
our parades that we have on ocean drive like pri,
Veteran's day, even art deco weekend?

663
01:24:14,890 --> 01:24:14,890
have we thought about if those would be moved to washington or fifth street or.

664
01:24:21,810 --> 01:24:21,810
so I've thought a little bit about that. We would have the option of continuing to do the
Parade on ocean drive,

665
01:24:31,370 --> 01:24:31,370
because you have to keep a 20 foot clear path for emergency vehicles.

666
01:24:37,570 --> 01:24:37,570
and we could activate that. It would, it would be similar to having a parade on

667
01:24:47,050 --> 01:24:47,050
lincoln, which we've done on occasion. Not as frequently as with ocean.

668
01:24:54,170 --> 01:24:54,170
so even when the plan is all said and done in 20 years or whatever,
It's rebuilt and there's technically no street on ocean drive,

669
01:24:59,650 --> 01:25:03,250
it's we're still going to be able to host our events,
Our parades. Yes. Okay. Thank you, commissioner fernandez.

670
01:25:06,090 --> 01:25:06,090
thank you, madam vice mayor. Pj do you have the image I just sent to you?

671
01:25:12,220 --> 01:25:12,220
okay, there we go. This is what we're talking about with the staff recommendation that we
Just moved.

672
01:25:19,620 --> 01:25:19,620
we're talking about an elevated an elevated street,
In essence the the area that today is asphalt would

673
01:25:29,620 --> 01:25:29,620
be rebuilt as one continuous sidewalk that goes all the way pretty much to loomis park.

674
01:25:38,540 --> 01:25:42,220
so really enhancing the pedestrian offering,
I believe. That's about 55ft. Mister director, is that correct?

675
01:25:45,180 --> 01:25:47,780
I think it's actually more than that. It's more than 55ft. So? So it's so it's pretty significant. Pretty significant pedestrian space we would be
Adding there clearly there you see in the middle of it

676
01:25:57,740 --> 01:25:57,740
you know, much more expanded space for our businesses,
For our restaurants to really be able to flourish.

677
01:26:05,500 --> 01:26:05,500
and we know in this area of the city that's so critical and important because the indoor
Real estate of these businesses is very limited,

678
01:26:13,390 --> 01:26:13,390
and in order for them to flourish and really make financial sense is by offering them this
Expanded outdoor seating area and then further to

679
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:23,430
the east you see, when it meets loomis park,
You have that that, that lane there, that's for emergency

680
01:26:33,190 --> 01:26:33,190
vehicles. And as the city manager was, was mentioning that would be the area that you
Would be able to use to continue hosting

681
01:26:43,310 --> 01:26:43,310
incredible events like pride that sustain our economy and attract tourism.

682
01:26:47,870 --> 01:26:47,870
this is this is such a beautiful vision where people get to not only enjoy the park and
The businesses,

683
01:26:55,310 --> 01:26:55,310
but the architecture and the events that we host in our city.

684
01:26:59,430 --> 01:26:59,430
so I just wanted to share the visual of it because this really would be taking,
I think, the ocean drive experience to the very next level.

685
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:08,470
thank you. Public comment. Let's mr. Wallach,
I know you've been waiting patiently.

686
01:27:13,770 --> 01:27:16,650
and, ralph, I don't know if anyone's on zoom. Thank you. Commissioner. I don't think you people are understanding.

687
01:27:20,450 --> 01:27:20,450
it's unbelievable that you don't understand that fifth to 15th street is not espanola way.

688
01:27:26,330 --> 01:27:30,010
it's not miracle mile. It's not lincoln road. It is not a retail center. It is small hotels.

689
01:27:36,970 --> 01:27:36,970
each of these have multiple small rooms with small bathrooms,
No swimming pools, no parking.

690
01:27:44,890 --> 01:27:44,890
the only amenity that they truly have is their front door access to loomis park.

691
01:27:51,930 --> 01:27:51,930
and you want to take it away? You're making it totally noncompetitive.

692
01:27:56,730 --> 01:27:56,730
depression will follow year after year and it will be dead.

693
01:28:01,930 --> 01:28:01,930
you have not planned ahead. What will replace these beautiful little,
Beautiful deco hotels because you're going to kill them just

694
01:28:11,900 --> 01:28:11,900
like the 1970s. None of you were here for that.

695
01:28:16,900 --> 01:28:16,900
you have no idea. Went on in the what went on in the 1970s.

696
01:28:20,940 --> 01:28:20,940
but you're going to create the same thing darkness,
Emptiness.

697
01:28:27,380 --> 01:28:27,380
why not look at loomis park and all the hurricanes that have depleted it,
And redesign it and redesign it all the way to the to the to

698
01:28:37,060 --> 01:28:37,060
the beach mound as the architect designed magnificent light,
Those trees incredibly like they do in whistler.

699
01:28:45,580 --> 01:28:45,580
we have ocean drive lit like a dump. Meridian avenue is more beautiful than ocean drive at
Night,

700
01:28:57,060 --> 01:28:57,060
and yet you want to destroy it. You don't realize you're talking about life safety.

701
01:29:02,820 --> 01:29:02,820
yes, chief jones will do the best he can to get there,
Even if it's ten minutes late.

702
01:29:11,710 --> 01:29:11,710
you don't realize that trucks have to service every one of these hotels.

703
01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:18,870
every one. And if you say, well, we'll use smaller trucks,
Then you need four trucks for every one big truck.

704
01:29:26,470 --> 01:29:26,470
those then have to walk on hand trucks and deliver one by one every block,
Five days a week.

705
01:29:34,310 --> 01:29:34,310
you think police and fire vehicles can get through all those multiple trucks parked on
Each street?

706
01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:43,270
they won't. You're dreaming and creating, as this facetious lie to the public of

707
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:52,390
access when you're removing all the access. It is impossible for these small hotels from
Fifth to 15th street to

708
01:30:02,390 --> 01:30:02,390
function if you close that one way, one way is like one lung.

709
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:11,040
you've already taken away the other lung. During the six week closure that mayor gelber
Instituted

710
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:21,320
illegally. But it happened. And judge buchko then ruled and opened.

711
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:27,440
but six weeks. I don't want to speak just because it's mangoes,
But it gives you a scale,

712
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:36,000
even to collins avenue, of what would happen incrementally to every building.

713
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:41,760
mango's tropical cafe in six weeks dropped $770,000.

714
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:48,760
thank you sir. And recovered when the street was reopened in one lane.

715
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:56,600
don't kill ocean drive before you fully plan what the recovery would truly be because it
Is not pedestrianization.

716
01:31:06,410 --> 01:31:06,410
increasing the size of cafes with no one there means nothing.

717
01:31:13,770 --> 01:31:13,770
and I just thank you. If I could just. Commissioner fernandez,
Thank you.

718
01:31:17,930 --> 01:31:17,930
because the. This is the same conversation we've been having for years,
And it's advancing this from conversation to actual discussion with

719
01:31:27,010 --> 01:31:27,010
dpw. But this is not set in stone, because if dpw were not to approve either of the
Turnaround designs with the full pedestrianization,

720
01:31:36,970 --> 01:31:36,970
then we are recommending through the motion that we did supporting staff's recommendation,

721
01:31:43,370 --> 01:31:43,370
the hybrid design with one way with a one way traffic lane blended with pedestrianization
Along ocean drive.

722
01:31:52,290 --> 01:31:52,290
so the door here is for both options. We're telling dp,
We're telling our administration to work with dpw and our preference of it being

723
01:32:02,100 --> 01:32:02,100
pedestrianized. Fully pedestrianized. Consistent with all the conversations we've had for
All of these years.

724
01:32:08,100 --> 01:32:08,100
but if we are unable to fully pedestrianize it,
We're simultaneously giving the ability to then work on a hybrid design with a one way

725
01:32:17,940 --> 01:32:17,940
vehicle lane blended with pedestrianization along ocean drive.

726
01:32:22,260 --> 01:32:24,980
so just just so that there's clarity on that. Thank you. Mitch, would you like to speak? I'll be.

727
01:32:28,500 --> 01:32:28,500
I'll be brief. Mitch novick, 901 collins. Whenever the 100 block is closed to vehicular
Traffic,

728
01:32:38,060 --> 01:32:38,060
the 100 block outside my building becomes a traffic sewer,
Which include deliveries which are lined up along the curbs with their condenser

729
01:32:47,940 --> 01:32:47,940
units. The noise, the vibration, the the fact that it's just total gridlock is

730
01:32:57,390 --> 01:32:57,390
really problematic. I think if you go forward with this kind of plan,
You know, you're really going to essentially kill my business because

731
01:33:06,950 --> 01:33:06,950
it's severely impacted whenever ocean drive is closed to vehicular traffic.

732
01:33:14,270 --> 01:33:14,270
thanks. Thank you. Anyone else? If not, let's go to zoom.

733
01:33:18,510 --> 01:33:21,510
first caller has a screen name of call in user one. Please state your name. You have two minutes.

734
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:28,310
please unmute yourself. Let's go to daniel sprawldef,
Please.

735
01:33:35,830 --> 01:33:35,830
you have two minutes. Yes. Hi. Daniel sorrento,
Resident of the art deco district and as

736
01:33:45,630 --> 01:33:45,630
far as ocean drive. Pedestrianization. I just want to make sure that if that is done,
That the businesses which already have

737
01:33:55,110 --> 01:33:55,110
huge indoor business within their property line,
Like mangoes, or the palace should not be able to expand so much more

738
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:04,960
outside. It should be proportional. There are so many hotels that stayed hotels,
Unlike these other buildings that adapted to a new use.

739
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:14,520
and so we need to help. As mr. Wallace said,
A smaller hotels that don't have that haven't converted their inside to an all night

740
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:24,920
party, and we need to look at protecting them. I haven't heard any of them speak, but I am aware that the smaller hotels like the idea of
The pedestrianization.

741
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:35,360
so please stick to this and keep it going forward. Thank you. Our next caller is arnaz. Arnaz. State your name.

742
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:38,600
you have two minutes. Yes. Inez flax. Here again,
I just want to stress the importance

743
01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:48,480
that the residents and the businesses who are here full time.

744
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:56,100
okay, like david wallach, like mitch, like myself. Okay, I've been here in ocean drive for 26 years,
And and the so-called experts that you pay,

745
01:35:04,300 --> 01:35:04,300
okay, they don't have the daily experience of the people who are here full time.

746
01:35:10,100 --> 01:35:12,500
even those snowbirds who come here in the winter. Yes. They want to have a park behind their or in front of their condos,
And they're only looking for themselves.

747
01:35:19,460 --> 01:35:19,460
selfish. If I was like that, I would also want to have,
You know, a pedestrian there, right?

748
01:35:25,740 --> 01:35:25,740
because, I mean, if I was selfish, but I'm looking for the for the community,
Not just our local community,

749
01:35:34,660 --> 01:35:34,660
but the world community. And it will be shame to completely change the character of ocean
Drive and what it has been and how

750
01:35:44,380 --> 01:35:44,380
successful it was with. And the reason that no one's coming here because we don't have
Parking.

751
01:35:51,790 --> 01:35:54,910
parking became so unaffordable, people stopped coming here. I hear this from many of my friends who live in coral gables,
Who live in boca, and they start coming here because first of all,

752
01:36:01,910 --> 01:36:05,550
unfriendly. Second, no parking and then parking. You know, $40 for valet is unaffordable. And miami is a car driven community.

753
01:36:14,190 --> 01:36:14,190
you know, pedestrianization like many people explain,
Where are the people going to come from?

754
01:36:18,550 --> 01:36:21,110
they have to come here by car before they even get here. And where are they going to park? Your problem is parking,
Not parks.

755
01:36:25,350 --> 01:36:25,350
so you spend a lot of time over the last 20 years creating more and more parks,
But not parking and not affordable housing.

756
01:36:32,510 --> 01:36:32,510
so your your priorities have been not in the right place.

757
01:36:36,750 --> 01:36:36,750
so I hope that you at least do a comprehensive plan of the entire city before you move
Forward with anything.

758
01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:44,390
thank you. Our next caller is jane krupp. Good morning,
Everyone.

759
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:53,000
and thank you all for finally speaking about this really important,
Iconic street that I've lived on for 20 years.

760
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:00,680
and I'm down here in the trenches on 14th and ocean.

761
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:05,560
I watch the trucks, I watch the pedestrians,
I watch the tourists, the events, everything.

762
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:10,680
and I've got all the data in my head. I would love to share with calvin giordano.

763
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:16,320
I'm happy they've started to do a plan. And mr.

764
01:37:21,480 --> 01:37:21,480
magazine, you're right. We need a comprehensive master plan thought out,
And we need to start now.

765
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:28,840
designing it, thinking about it I'm on the executive board,
And and founder of adna art deco neighborhood association,

766
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:37,160
and I was on the abcd mayor's panel during the discussions.

767
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:42,320
and we need to continue a dialog with the residents here and the businesses.

768
01:37:48,810 --> 01:37:48,810
they. All these problems are solvable with full pedestrianization,
Which we support completely for many years.

769
01:37:55,810 --> 01:37:55,810
for 30 years we've had residents that have wanted this vision for the city.

770
01:38:00,730 --> 01:38:04,050
I'm not in total agreement with that diagram that was shown. I believe that the restaurant should be elevated because this pedestrianization,
And we should put the bike lane back in.

771
01:38:11,610 --> 01:38:11,610
I don't know why that was taken out. I don't think the lincoln road model is correct.

772
01:38:15,650 --> 01:38:15,650
I think the restaurant should be attached to their balconies and extend the sidewalk,
Keep it elevated,

773
01:38:23,210 --> 01:38:25,970
and then do a beautiful paver and a bike lane. It all can be done without infringing on the park.

774
01:38:29,170 --> 01:38:29,170
leave the park. A beautiful green space and coconut grove like it is,
Doesn't need to be touched.

775
01:38:34,490 --> 01:38:34,490
we have a $20 million geo bond that just this repaving and reconfiguration and the
Turnarounds will probably

776
01:38:44,490 --> 01:38:48,300
solve. But also let me just address the truck issues. We have plenty of parking on 14th street and the side streets in the 100 block.

777
01:38:53,100 --> 01:38:53,100
can I just have 30s? We have plenty of. We have plenty of.

778
01:38:57,180 --> 01:38:57,180
we have plenty of parking and loading zones. The problem is the oversize trucks who can't
Make the turnarounds.

779
01:39:03,060 --> 01:39:03,060
these are old streets. Let's design it for smaller trucks.

780
01:39:07,260 --> 01:39:07,260
put the bigger trucks on collins. It all can be done in the 200 blocks.

781
01:39:11,540 --> 01:39:14,340
it. We need city planning and let's get it done. Thank you. Thank you. Our next caller is monica.

782
01:39:16,660 --> 01:39:16,660
anton. Miss anton, you have two minutes. Good morning.

783
01:39:21,660 --> 01:39:21,660
commission monica anton, on behalf of mango's cafe and the colony hotel.

784
01:39:29,060 --> 01:39:29,060
this commission is concerned about the impact that historic buildings are going to have if
The state takes take certain actions against them.

785
01:39:38,100 --> 01:39:38,100
but at the same time, you're not you don't have the same concern over the historic hotels
That are located on ocean to drive.

786
01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:44,870
the colony hotel is a mid street. What would happen to those people that want to go to the
Colony hotel?

787
01:39:52,910 --> 01:39:52,910
they would be walking half a block in high heels,
Rolling their suitcases with umbrellas in the rain.

788
01:39:59,310 --> 01:40:01,910
how many more of those customers will come back? I bet you not very many. What will be the long term effect on these smaller,
Boutique historic district hotels?

789
01:40:10,350 --> 01:40:13,550
I think that the vote on this item is premature. Without a further study of the impact on your historic properties as well as on these side
Streets,

790
01:40:19,430 --> 01:40:23,350
I hear a lot of the things that are happening on these side streets. These are very
Narrow, two way side streets. You are now indicating you're going to have two way traffic.

791
01:40:28,150 --> 01:40:28,150
you're going to have parking, you're going to have loading,
You're going to have rideshares.

792
01:40:34,830 --> 01:40:34,830
you're going to have valet. How many things can happen on half a block on each side?

793
01:40:41,630 --> 01:40:41,630
this is going to have an impact of going down collins,
Going down to washington and even possibly into the flamingo park neighborhood,

794
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:49,880
because these side streets cannot handle the amount of items and things that you are
Imposing that are going to happen.

795
01:40:58,000 --> 01:40:58,000
we believe that this is premature. And I think what commissioner magazine said earlier is
Very important.

796
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:06,280
you are going. You're moving forward with this. But what are you moving forward with? Are you going to have a plan so that it's not just
An open street as we had after covid?

797
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:18,880
you have one of the best police departments in the state of the country. They will always respond. But what will they be able to do as safely and effectively?

798
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:27,640
you believe that you need the additional time to to actually vet this correctly. Thank you. Thank you. Our next caller is susana santoro.

799
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:31,720
please, you have two minutes. Go ahead. Good morning.

800
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:36,800
commission. This is actually not related to the matter. I just wanted to thank
Commissioner alex fernandez for advancing item c7,

801
01:41:44,450 --> 01:41:44,450
ab, opposing hb 399 and the rest of the commission are placing in this position on the
Record is important not only from an historic preservation standpoint,

802
01:41:54,250 --> 01:41:54,250
but from a broader principle of fairness, infrastructure and concurrency,
Fiscal responsibility,

803
01:41:59,370 --> 01:41:59,370
and most critical life safety. Thank you. In a barrier island environment like miami
Beach,

804
01:42:05,050 --> 01:42:05,050
with limited evacuation routes, chronic congestion,
And documented emergency access challenges,

805
01:42:11,690 --> 01:42:11,690
preserving meaningful local review for high intensity development in a matter of public
Safety and equitable governance.

806
01:42:19,010 --> 01:42:19,010
ensuring that all property owners are subject to consistent evidentiary standards and that
Impacts to traffic,

807
01:42:25,730 --> 01:42:25,730
emergency response, water, sewer and storm water systems are properly evaluated before
Approvals are granted is fundamental to protecting

808
01:42:35,250 --> 01:42:35,250
residents, visitors and long term financial stability of the community.

809
01:42:39,500 --> 01:42:39,500
so commissioners mayor. Thank you again, in particular,
Commissioner fernandes for putting this forward.

810
01:42:45,940 --> 01:42:49,620
thank you. Our next caller is andres ocean. You have two minutes. Go ahead sir. Good morning everyone. You know,
If it's not going to be two lanes going

811
01:42:59,980 --> 01:42:59,980
north and south, the most logical thing is to have traffic flowing northbound.

812
01:43:05,420 --> 01:43:05,420
it's just common sense that you drive down fifth street,
The major, most largest artery to get to ocean drive and make a left.

813
01:43:13,180 --> 01:43:16,140
when you get to ocean drive and drive up the street. Many times if you take an uber and you're going to go,
For instance, to mangos and you put 900 ocean drive,

814
01:43:21,980 --> 01:43:21,980
if you don't have that flow of traffic, you're going to go up washington,
Come down ninth,

815
01:43:26,140 --> 01:43:26,140
stop on ninth and ocean and get out versus going through the flow of ocean drive and
Enjoying all the beautiful businesses and restaurants that there are to offer there.

816
01:43:35,820 --> 01:43:35,820
it just makes common sense to go up north. Pull your car up to the left.

817
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:41,680
you don't even have to change the lanes the way that they're painted on the street right
Now.

818
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:46,000
all you have to do is turn the traffic lights around to the other side.

819
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:50,520
it is simple. It is easy. And you don't want people parking or getting dropped off a block
Away,

820
01:43:56,440 --> 01:44:00,080
especially if they're elderly, especially if they're,
You know, have impairments. And walking to walk over a block over to get to a restaurant,
It makes no sense.

821
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:05,640
it's not lincoln road. Lincoln road does not have hotels that are on lincoln road.

822
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:10,920
it's not the same vibe. And another thing is,
If you would put some beautiful signature art like there is in the design district around

823
01:44:20,440 --> 01:44:20,440
the park, three or 4 or 5 pieces and make it a free public space for art.

824
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:28,000
many people using the power of marketing that the city is doing a great job with,
Would invite people to come over and see that free art sculpture in the park,

825
01:44:37,170 --> 01:44:37,170
and it will attract more people to come to ocean drive for different reasons.

826
01:44:41,210 --> 01:44:41,210
put marketing, put art and have proper flow of traffic on ocean drive and it will work.

827
01:44:46,570 --> 01:44:46,570
thank you. Thank you. There are no other zoom callers.

828
01:44:54,050 --> 01:44:54,050
good morning again. Ian hendry, 1330 ocean drive.

829
01:44:59,650 --> 01:44:59,650
some of you were here when you decided that there would be a pedestrian zone on ocean
Drive,

830
01:45:07,730 --> 01:45:07,730
which was between 13th and 15th street. During that presentation,
You presented several things that would expand ocean

831
01:45:17,450 --> 01:45:21,370
drive for the cafes and make it a lot better for us. We went through four years of closure with zero being done.

832
01:45:26,170 --> 01:45:26,170
absolutely nothing was done to improve ocean drive in the pedestrian area.

833
01:45:30,850 --> 01:45:30,850
we died okay and I'm afraid, and it's been brought up here that we're going to go through
The same thing.

834
01:45:38,300 --> 01:45:38,300
you're going to push something forward because that's the agenda.

835
01:45:42,780 --> 01:45:42,780
you're going to close ocean drive. Where is the money coming from?

836
01:45:47,020 --> 01:45:47,020
there's 20 million in a bond right now for ocean drive improvements from everything that
I'm hearing here.

837
01:45:55,700 --> 01:45:55,700
this is hundreds of millions of dollars. Where is that money coming from?

838
01:46:00,940 --> 01:46:00,940
when is it going to come? Are you going to close ocean drive in the meantime and put it
The same way that it was for those four years in the pedestrian zone

839
01:46:11,100 --> 01:46:11,100
where we were just dead? Please put some thought into this.

840
01:46:16,620 --> 01:46:16,620
okay. Come up with the funds. Come up with the proper plan.

841
01:46:20,820 --> 01:46:20,820
but don't kill ocean drive and close it to traffic right now.

842
01:46:26,900 --> 01:46:26,900
without those plans in place. And the funds. I'm sure there's going to have to be another
G.o.

843
01:46:34,270 --> 01:46:34,270
bond run around in order to try and obtain these funds,
Because from what I'm hearing, again,

844
01:46:40,710 --> 01:46:44,070
I'm looking at this as hundreds of millions of dollars. They're going to be required to do all of these improvements,
These side streets, the front street.

845
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:50,870
where's the money coming from, please? Good morning,

846
01:47:00,830 --> 01:47:00,830
vice mayor and commissioners. Matthew tarnoff again,
125 jefferson avenue.

847
01:47:06,390 --> 01:47:10,310
in in principle, I'm in support of pedestrianizing ocean drive. I've spoken on this many times, and many others in the community have.

848
01:47:14,790 --> 01:47:18,470
I do think at this point, though, this might be kind of premature. It's really it's a visionary idea to pedestrianize it,
To build out the infrastructure.

849
01:47:23,110 --> 01:47:23,110
but you really do need the buy in of the adjacent property owners and the adjacent
Operators so that because you can do it without them.

850
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:36,600
but if you really want it to be a success, they should really be on board. How can we? We should be asking the question,
How can we get the neighbors who operate these businesses,

851
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:44,000
the property owners who own these properties? How can we get them on board with this idea? And if we do that,
Perhaps it will be a really well,

852
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:49,000
I think we all know it will be successful. It was successful over christmas and the
College football game.

853
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:55,520
and if we build out that infrastructure and that community support,
I think we can get there.

854
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:00,760
I do want to ask one question. I know that previous ideas for pedestrianization included
The bike lane,

855
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:11,040
which is currently there, and I think we can all agree that it's super successful. There's a counter that was installed on there and that shows,
Again, tremendous use.

856
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:19,680
I don't know the exact numbers, but tremendous use of that bike lane. People from all around the country are riding it.

857
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:21,840
the workers are riding it. If it is pedestrianized,
I think it's important to keep that in the plan,

858
01:48:28,530 --> 01:48:28,530
because it does take a lot of pressure off of the serpentine pathway along lummus park.

859
01:48:34,890 --> 01:48:34,890
and then finally, it's my understanding that that the city is close to getting the permit
To keep the current condition that's in place that

860
01:48:44,730 --> 01:48:44,730
someone mentioned was ordered to be removed. So I think having an update on that and where
That stands.

861
01:48:49,730 --> 01:48:49,730
what? You know, it would be important for a lot of people in this community because I
Think that.

862
01:48:55,570 --> 01:48:55,570
right. Mr. Manager, the city is close to getting permission from the county on what we
Have today as well.

863
01:49:03,090 --> 01:49:06,170
thank you, thank you. Yes, yes is the answer. Okay. That concludes public hearing. Thank you.

864
01:49:09,970 --> 01:49:09,970
thank you. Let's vote. Oh, you need us. Go ahead.

865
01:49:15,570 --> 01:49:15,570
commissioner suarez. Thank you, madam vice mayor.

866
01:49:21,770 --> 01:49:21,770
I'm struggling with this because I walk two miles every night,
And some of those nights are on ocean drive.

867
01:49:32,580 --> 01:49:32,580
but, you know, there is something to say that a lot of the businesses that have reached
Out to me and are here

868
01:49:42,100 --> 01:49:42,100
today have a real issue with this. You know,
Mr.

869
01:49:49,260 --> 01:49:49,260
wallach, bring up brings up a good point where some of these delivery trucks will be
Congested at these if we do the

870
01:49:58,900 --> 01:49:58,900
roundabout option. And that's going to cause a lot of backups,
Especially for the hotels that are needing it

871
01:50:08,780 --> 01:50:08,780
service with their linens, food, etc.. And I mean,

872
01:50:19,180 --> 01:50:19,180
and not only that, but I think one caller mentioned that,
You know, someone might have to walk half a block to get to their to their hotel.

873
01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:33,470
these hotels are historic. The rooms are historic. It's very small. I mean, there is something to say that if we.

874
01:50:39,110 --> 01:50:39,110
if we go ahead with this, how are we going to accommodate the businesses there that do
Rely on a front door and drop off

875
01:50:48,670 --> 01:50:48,670
pickup and not have to walk half a block to,
To to get to the room because, you know, I the

876
01:50:58,630 --> 01:50:58,630
experience for that is I don't I don't know if that's going to be something where that
Visitor is going to want to come back to that particular

877
01:51:08,070 --> 01:51:08,070
hotel. So, you know, I don't know. I'm I'm struggling with this.

878
01:51:16,750 --> 01:51:16,750
and, you know, I'd like to see I'd like to hear some more of my colleagues on on.

879
01:51:22,490 --> 01:51:22,490
and how are we going to get by in, as mr. Golden has mentioned from the local businesses?

880
01:51:30,130 --> 01:51:30,130
let's see how we can make this work. And, and we can have,
You know, a a unified front on this

881
01:51:41,130 --> 01:51:41,130
plan. Thank you. If I could ask, what is the timeline for implementation that

882
01:51:51,170 --> 01:51:54,850
we've got about eight months of design work to do. But I want to clarify, what we have today is a feasibility study.

883
01:52:00,770 --> 01:52:00,770
what we are requesting is the commission's direction on which option to pursue at that
Point is when we begin developing all of the design,

884
01:52:10,050 --> 01:52:10,050
what we have is identified the challenges, pros and cons of each option.

885
01:52:15,410 --> 01:52:18,450
we've not developed solutions to each of those challenges. That's what comes next. Reaching out to the community and the business owners.

886
01:52:22,580 --> 01:52:22,580
that's what comes next. So if we went forward with this,
It would be a conceptual plan and design,

887
01:52:27,900 --> 01:52:27,900
and it would give at least eight months for the businesses and for the community in
General,

888
01:52:33,500 --> 01:52:33,500
to develop some sort of comprehensive plan for the delivery schedules and more of your
Supply chain and logistics,

889
01:52:39,860 --> 01:52:42,260
and just have a question on that. I have a question on that. And I'm sorry, because it's eight months for design,
But that design period happens after working with the county and dpw and determining

890
01:52:52,020 --> 01:52:55,340
mr. Manager, which option is the one that works best? So we need to get clarity from the county before we can move forward with a design so that
We're not doing double work.

891
01:53:03,580 --> 01:53:03,580
right. The preliminary input from the county is that the full pedestrianization will work.

892
01:53:09,340 --> 01:53:12,940
they will not give us a formal response until we submit for permit. And we can't do that until we close the pending permit and actually develop the drawings a
Little further.

893
01:53:19,390 --> 01:53:19,390
as part of the process, we still have to go to the historic preservation board and present
To them as well.

894
01:53:25,750 --> 01:53:25,750
so all that and what does all that time equal?

895
01:53:30,550 --> 01:53:30,550
I mean, I think what you're hearing from us is it's going to be at least a year.

896
01:53:35,350 --> 01:53:38,910
yeah. That's correct. Conservatively. Conservatively. David, have you met with the local businesses?

897
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:41,990
we have had preliminary meetings. We've had a couple of organizational meetings and then
With individuals,

898
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:47,750
but not at the point where we can begin showing them development solutions because we're
Just not there yet.

899
01:53:55,230 --> 01:53:55,230
so, you know, some of the points brought up is that they're going to have to,
You know, if you're unfortunate,

900
01:54:00,630 --> 01:54:00,630
if your hotel is smack dab in the middle of a street,
You're going to have to walk.

901
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:08,230
what is what is the city's solution for that? I mean, because that's I understand it's preliminary,
But I mean, you know, that's kind of a big thing.

902
01:54:14,630 --> 01:54:14,630
yes. That's one of the things that we've been doing during the closures at new years.

903
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:19,520
each year is piloting the freebie use on ocean drive,
Because we think that that might be a viable option.

904
01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:26,720
it may not be a freebie, it may be some sort of miniature trolley.

905
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:34,000
could be even, you know, I don't think using taxpayer funds to to subsidize a business
For,

906
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:44,960
for transportation like to a valid for a valet pickup is is is really a good use of funds.

907
01:54:52,120 --> 01:54:52,120
eric. There's got to be a more concrete plan for that besides using freebie,
Because then

908
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:01,920
you're going to be taking freebie from other people who need seniors to go other places.

909
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:07,680
I mean, so is there any other ideas than using freebie services to get people from these
Roundabouts at the end of each

910
01:55:17,450 --> 01:55:17,450
intersection to their destination hotel. So just to be clear,
And I'll ask the transportation director to stand up and and confirm,

911
01:55:27,770 --> 01:55:27,770
I don't believe that we were charged anything for those freebie activations over the
Holidays on ocean drive either of the two years that

912
01:55:37,330 --> 01:55:37,330
we've done it. It was able to be done through an arrangement with the businesses,
And they were able

913
01:55:47,290 --> 01:55:47,290
to work out something with freebie, where freebie was getting,
You know, the exposure and the advertising.

914
01:55:54,010 --> 01:55:54,010
but that's not a long term plan. I mean, let's be honest. I mean that sure,
That works for the holidays,

915
01:55:58,530 --> 01:55:58,530
but that's not a 365 day year plan. Listen, I'm not trying to be difficult.

916
01:56:02,650 --> 01:56:02,650
I'm just saying it certainly seems that this is very half baked on on what the plan is.

917
01:56:07,690 --> 01:56:07,690
I, I like pedestrianization, like I said, but I think we really need to have a serious
Plan before kind of just,

918
01:56:16,460 --> 01:56:16,460
you know, just just going forward with something without buy in from from the local
Businesses that are,

919
01:56:22,260 --> 01:56:25,740
you know, are obviously struggling still. So I just have a question. What what plan are you looking for? Because I think,
You know, there was there was the ac,

920
01:56:32,580 --> 01:56:32,580
dc committee, there was this goal that was brought in to put together a master plan.

921
01:56:41,980 --> 01:56:41,980
then cardeno and associates cardeno mispronounced yes,
Came in and did explained the additional work that cardeno did.

922
01:56:52,420 --> 01:56:52,420
so they got the master plan that's put together.

923
01:56:56,540 --> 01:56:56,540
I mean, going back even further, we had the shulman plan,
Which was came back and said, you need to level the street

924
01:57:06,380 --> 01:57:06,380
with the sidewalks and put in bollards so that you have the ability to expand the
Pedestrianized use of the street.

925
01:57:16,030 --> 01:57:16,030
that was back in 2016. That fed the geo bond in 2018.

926
01:57:22,150 --> 01:57:22,150
then following the geo bond, we had the the mayor's blue ribbon panel for the art deco
Cultural

927
01:57:31,550 --> 01:57:31,550
district that was visioning exercise that ultimately ended up in the hiring of zivkovich
To do

928
01:57:41,670 --> 01:57:41,670
a master plan that included ocean drive, loomis park,
Collins, and washington.

929
01:57:48,790 --> 01:57:48,790
and then we hired calvin giordano to flesh out that vision plan into something that could
Be

930
01:57:58,430 --> 01:57:58,430
executable. And that's where we stand today. Are all of the nitty gritty details ironed
Out?

931
01:58:07,350 --> 01:58:07,350
no, not at this point. But I think we have a very solid framework based on the amount of
Outreach that we've done,

932
01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:19,240
the amount of engagement we've had with the community. Are there some folks that are still adamantly opposed?

933
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:23,040
obviously, you've heard that today. Are there some folks that are adamantly in support?

934
01:58:29,120 --> 01:58:29,120
absolutely. Are there some folks that are still kind of on the fence and want to see some
More detail?

935
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:35,520
absolutely. We will continue to engage with everyone to make sure that everybody has a
Seat at the table.

936
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:43,000
but there are some folks that are are just dug in in their position and are not going to
Move as long as there's no vehicles on the street.

937
01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:52,640
and so and just as a follow up to that, because as part of the work that cardeno did,
There are certain legal and regulatory requirements that

938
01:59:02,280 --> 01:59:02,280
cardeno had to abide by. You know, and if the representative from cardeno could approach
The podium,

939
01:59:09,890 --> 01:59:09,890
you know, things that you took into consideration crowd management,
Public safety, valet operations.

940
01:59:16,250 --> 01:59:16,250
can you walk us through you know, what are, you know,
The things that you had to consider as you went about your study?

941
01:59:23,450 --> 01:59:26,650
sure. And for the record, calvin giordano, cardeno is a different firm. I don't want to misrepresent them. Yes. As part of our work,
We've done to me to mix up names.

942
01:59:33,810 --> 01:59:33,810
one of the one of the critical things that we wanted to do was to make sure that we
Avoided the triggering of the county charter.

943
01:59:41,090 --> 01:59:41,090
that was a huge component of this project. We also looked at the safety requirements that
Will be implemented,

944
01:59:48,090 --> 01:59:48,090
given the speed volumes that we're seeing on the corridor,
To abide by the green book, which is a regulatory component that requires certain

945
01:59:57,410 --> 01:59:57,410
separations between pedestrian use objects, artifacts,
Landscaping, and the vehicular roadway.

946
02:00:06,430 --> 02:00:06,430
we have discussed extensively with staff about operational factors such as where do we
Convert existing parking on the side streets to be able to

947
02:00:15,790 --> 02:00:18,790
accommodate short term parking for rideshare? Short term parking for delivery box trucks. And we are valet.

948
02:00:25,430 --> 02:00:28,110
operator. The valet operator as well. Stacking. Correct. We have in the in the diagrams that we've provided,
I believe that some of them are in the attachments to the to the memo.

949
02:00:35,590 --> 02:00:35,590
there are diagrams that show how we've preliminarily allocated designated spaces for each
One of these uses.

950
02:00:44,190 --> 02:00:47,550
understanding that these are operational challenges for the corridor. How about business deliveries? Has that been incorporated into the material that you've
Provided the city?

951
02:00:52,990 --> 02:00:52,990
not so much beyond where the box trucks would park.

952
02:00:57,670 --> 02:00:57,670
a lot of the deliveries for a lot of the case studies that we've looked at with regards to
Roadways that have been pedestrianized is that you have sort of a two

953
02:01:07,680 --> 02:01:07,680
step process. The truck does not drive up to the front door of the establishment.

954
02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:12,400
they get to a designated parking spot and then there is a handheld delivery at that point.

955
02:01:19,560 --> 02:01:19,560
it's an inconvenience, but it's it's it's something that has been worked out in a lot of
Different.

956
02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:24,080
so but these are all things that as when, when you went about your study,
These are all things that were considered correct as part of the study that you were

957
02:01:31,680 --> 02:01:31,680
contracted to do by the city commission, correct? Madam vice mayor.

958
02:01:37,040 --> 02:01:37,040
yes, commissioner. You know, we have time to finesse these details.

959
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:42,320
and there are super high end destinations throughout the world,
In europe and in cities in south america and asia that have really

960
02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:52,320
beautiful hotels on pedestrianized streets. I would like to engage our economic
Development director to spend some time doing

961
02:02:02,130 --> 02:02:02,130
some research to inform our decisions on how to best manage this.

962
02:02:07,810 --> 02:02:07,810
I can tell you that if I were paying to stay in a historic hotel someplace,
I would find it much more appealing to have it open up onto a

963
02:02:17,210 --> 02:02:17,210
pedestrianized street across the the way up to the park and the beach,
Than to have a traffic trafficked street.

964
02:02:29,170 --> 02:02:29,170
I think that we I know that we can get to correct answers that will accommodate
Everybody's concerns.

965
02:02:37,410 --> 02:02:37,410
and like I said before, change is hard, and you have to figure it out.

966
02:02:41,610 --> 02:02:41,610
we're not saying tomorrow ocean drive becomes 100% pedestrianized.

967
02:02:46,570 --> 02:02:46,570
we are starting the process. It will take time,
Which gives us the flexibility and the latitude to do really deep research,

968
02:02:56,850 --> 02:02:56,850
not just of what happens in south florida, but what happens in destinations that are
Comparable to ours around the world?

969
02:03:05,420 --> 02:03:05,420
we could conceivably limit deliveries to before 8:00 in the morning or before 9:00 in the
Morning and have them come up on the

970
02:03:14,900 --> 02:03:14,900
pedestrianized right of way. Potentially we can look at all kinds of different things.

971
02:03:21,100 --> 02:03:21,100
new orleans doesn't come to a grinding halt because deliveries can't be made in 18 wheeler
Truck into the french quarter.

972
02:03:28,900 --> 02:03:28,900
there are solutions to these problems that other cities work with very,
Very well around the country and around the world.

973
02:03:35,660 --> 02:03:35,660
let us find those examples. Let us choose from the best of them,
And we will adopt them for our community.

974
02:03:45,740 --> 02:03:48,500
anyone else? Are we ready to vote? Other questions? Please call the vote. So I have a motion by commissioner fernandez,
A second by commissioner bhatt.

975
02:03:54,180 --> 02:03:54,180
all in favor of our. Let's go. Let's call a roll call.

976
02:03:58,510 --> 02:04:02,390
okay, I'm going to go alphabetically. Commissioner. Yes. Commissioner. Dominguez. Yes. Commissioner. Fernandez.

977
02:04:05,550 --> 02:04:09,470
yes. Vice mayor. Mateo- salinas. Yes. Commissioner. Magazine. Yes. Commissioner. Suarez. Yes. Mayor.

978
02:04:13,310 --> 02:04:15,950
minor. Yes. Motion carries. The item is approved. Seven zero. That was item r7. You. Let's call r7 z.

979
02:04:25,190 --> 02:04:25,190
thank you to my colleagues. R7. R7 z is a recognized sunset paddle fundraising event in
Honor of sergeant

980
02:04:34,910 --> 02:04:34,910
david commissioner magazine. Thank you, mr. Mayor.

981
02:04:39,150 --> 02:04:39,150
and I know oftentimes we have a dedicated meeting for awards,
Presentations, recognitions,

982
02:04:46,630 --> 02:04:46,630
and it's something that I actually don't participate in too often.

983
02:04:52,950 --> 02:04:52,950
and there's a time for that. But today I want to bring up one of the greatest things I've
Seen in this city for some time.

984
02:05:02,440 --> 02:05:05,440
I often say we're blessed with so many things here. Our natural resources, our beach, our weather.

985
02:05:08,640 --> 02:05:08,640
but what makes miami beach special is the people,
Its community, and our community as a whole faced a tragic time at the end of

986
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:18,560
2025, in november, where we lost the family member unexpectedly officer david caruso.

987
02:05:25,680 --> 02:05:25,680
and it was something that impacted our entire community.

988
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:31,800
and oftentimes in life's most strenuous and challenging moments are when you often see the
Best out of humanity and the best from a

989
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:41,520
community. And one of those things that really allowed our community to come together was
A small business that operates in sunset harbor.

990
02:05:51,560 --> 02:05:51,560
it's called sunset paddle. It's owned by people that live in our community,
That raise their families in our community,

991
02:05:59,010 --> 02:06:02,090
send their children to school, in our community. They really stepped up to the plate and they hosted a fundraising event for the officer's
Family,

992
02:06:07,730 --> 02:06:07,730
and I'll let them come up to the mic and give an overview of what they did.

993
02:06:13,570 --> 02:06:13,570
but they in life's toughest moments for officer caruso's family,
They raised a

994
02:06:23,250 --> 02:06:23,250
significant amount of money that will be there to help and support their family.

995
02:06:27,890 --> 02:06:27,890
so while it's an unmanageable tragedy that this family has went through,
If anybody's going to go through

996
02:06:37,690 --> 02:06:37,690
it, I can't think of a better support system than the special community that we have here
In miami beach.

997
02:06:43,930 --> 02:06:43,930
so not only did our city hall community and the police department step up,
But we have, private members of our

998
02:06:53,660 --> 02:06:53,660
miami beach community step up, and I'd like to maybe call the owner of sunset paddle raffy
Ghibli chris porcello up,

999
02:07:00,660 --> 02:07:00,660
and maybe you could just give an overview of what you all did and what you raised and what
You did.

1000
02:07:07,220 --> 02:07:07,220
and, chief jones, if you want to accompany, because I know you were there on that special
Evening and just give your thoughts on what this did for the family.

1001
02:07:20,300 --> 02:07:20,300
yes, please. Chris. Good morning, wayne jones.

1002
02:07:26,260 --> 02:07:26,260
chief of police. It was really touching, emotional sunday evening.

1003
02:07:37,060 --> 02:07:40,780
you know, there's so many things about this city that makes it special. And the reason I think it is the capital of the world.

1004
02:07:47,500 --> 02:07:47,500
because this is about business owners and residents like rafi and chris,
Who weren't asked to do something like this for

1005
02:07:59,040 --> 02:07:59,040
the widow of david and his young children took it upon himself to do it.

1006
02:08:04,840 --> 02:08:04,840
I imagine many of the friends and colleagues they had in the room that evening never met
David,

1007
02:08:12,720 --> 02:08:12,720
but they understood how important it is to care for those who sacrifice so much to make
The city great.

1008
02:08:23,640 --> 02:08:23,640
his wife was so grateful to the point she was too emotional to actually speak,
I think.

1009
02:08:30,400 --> 02:08:30,400
and so, from the bottom of my heart, on behalf of the grateful miami beach police
Department and the widow and family of david,

1010
02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:40,960
thank you so, so very much. Thank you chief. Thank you mayor.

1011
02:08:50,810 --> 02:08:50,810
thank you commissioners. I would like, you know,
Nothing more than for chris and I to take all the credit,

1012
02:08:57,930 --> 02:08:57,930
but it really wasn't us. It was every single person that entered the club that heard about
It.

1013
02:09:04,170 --> 02:09:04,170
obviously, we were just the messengers. We just explained to them about the story of how
Unfortunate it was that a young officer that

1014
02:09:13,970 --> 02:09:13,970
was healthy was was driving on on a, on a highway either on the way to work or something
In those

1015
02:09:23,930 --> 02:09:23,930
and lost his life with three young kids. And that pretty much was our story.

1016
02:09:29,810 --> 02:09:29,810
of course, we we gave up our facility, which we always do,
But this was something really special that every single person that walked in and heard

1017
02:09:38,850 --> 02:09:38,850
about the story really opened up their hearts and,
And and gave as much as they could, and we're happy to do this.

1018
02:09:47,540 --> 02:09:47,540
miami beach police has always been there, obviously protecting us,
Protecting our families,

1019
02:09:53,780 --> 02:09:53,780
our schools, our community, our businesses. And again,
This is not something that we we would just the messengers for this.

1020
02:10:02,380 --> 02:10:02,380
this is the entire community. People that lived everywhere in miami beach came out that
Night was probably the most we've hosted

1021
02:10:11,860 --> 02:10:11,860
maybe 200 events. That was probably the most,
You know, incredible event most touching and emotional event we've

1022
02:10:21,580 --> 02:10:21,580
ever or maybe we'll ever have at the club. So I want to thank you guys for obviously
Recognizing this,

1023
02:10:29,700 --> 02:10:29,700
but it wasn't it was wasn't us. It was the community that really did this.

1024
02:10:34,820 --> 02:10:34,820
and, rafael, I know you're very modest. Maybe you could start with when you presented the
Widow of officer caruso with a check what she originally thought it was for,

1025
02:10:44,150 --> 02:10:44,150
because she was in such disbelief and what it was actually for.

1026
02:10:50,030 --> 02:10:50,030
yeah, she was, as the chief said, she was extremely emotional.

1027
02:10:54,750 --> 02:10:54,750
we didn't know if she was going to attend. She was going through a lot with three young
Kids.

1028
02:11:00,510 --> 02:11:00,510
we had the event early on so she could still get home and put the kids back to to to bed
For school,

1029
02:11:07,270 --> 02:11:07,270
and it was more than we ever thought. We really,
You know, we had an amount that we wanted to wish for,

1030
02:11:12,630 --> 02:11:12,630
and we exceeded it by, by a lot more than that.

1031
02:11:16,750 --> 02:11:16,750
and we'll continue doing it for her for other officers.

1032
02:11:21,070 --> 02:11:21,070
hopefully that never happens again. But if we get the call,
We'll we'll be there again and again.

1033
02:11:26,790 --> 02:11:26,790
and we're happy that at least we were able to,
To raise a really significant amount of money that could really help her.

1034
02:11:34,630 --> 02:11:34,630
and just to help the community to quantify the impact that you had.

1035
02:11:38,710 --> 02:11:38,710
I believe it was $165,000 that just your small business,
Your community was able to raise.

1036
02:11:45,600 --> 02:11:48,480
they went to directly to officer caruso's family. Correct? Yeah. And when she was presented with a check,
She was in such disbelief.

1037
02:11:52,680 --> 02:11:52,680
she thought it was $16,000. And she said that was amazing.

1038
02:11:56,760 --> 02:11:56,760
but then to realize it was $165,000. That's something that is goes a long way to helping
The family.

1039
02:12:03,240 --> 02:12:03,240
so thank you, thank you, thank you all. Thank you.

1040
02:12:12,440 --> 02:12:12,440
and I don't want to turn into an award ceremony,
But maybe we could go down and take a picture with rafi,

1041
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:19,440
chris and the police. Yeah. Thank you. Rafi. Chris. I was there tonight. I was a lot of events that night of hanukkah,
But the.

1042
02:12:24,880 --> 02:12:24,880
you could see the outpouring of affection and emotion and caring.

1043
02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:29,760
so kudos to you and your and your and your business and the entire city of miami beach.

1044
02:12:35,120 --> 02:12:35,120
there's. That's a special family and I hope and I know they see the the love.

1045
02:12:41,010 --> 02:12:41,010
I honor them and his widow at my state of the city and we've done other.

1046
02:12:47,130 --> 02:12:47,130
it's just you just have to. I actually have told her the speech she gave at his funeral,
Literally single handedly.

1047
02:12:54,890 --> 02:12:57,050
I don't think I've ever heard a better speech. I mean, she did not shy away from the issues that confronted her and her family and her
Belief in god.

1048
02:13:04,370 --> 02:13:04,370
and it's it's a testament to her and her family,
Her his dad, a retired firefighter.

1049
02:13:11,050 --> 02:13:13,890
it's just it's it's a it's a tragedy beyond tragedies. But it's incredible when our community can come together and support a family that has
Dedicated so much to our city.

1050
02:14:13,820 --> 02:14:13,820
but some people like. To balance it all out.

1051
02:14:29,460 --> 02:14:29,460
so.

1052
02:14:41,470 --> 02:14:41,470
thank you.

1053
02:15:00,150 --> 02:15:00,150
so mayor, for the record, r7 is being adopted by acclamation.

1054
02:15:04,990 --> 02:15:04,990
yes. It's called

1055
02:15:17,430 --> 02:15:17,430
r r7 q. R7 q is renovate reopen byron carlyle movie theater family entertainment complex
R7

1056
02:15:27,670 --> 02:15:27,670
q commissioner suarez. We're still working through that.

1057
02:15:32,590 --> 02:15:32,590
I'm going to defer that. Okay. So we're going to defer that item to the march meeting.

1058
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:45,600
so it happens to be the next item on my list. I coincidentally is yours as well. So r7 f r7 f is request miami-dade county to amend code to provide city with traffic
Signalization authority

1059
02:15:55,400 --> 02:15:55,400
r7 f. That was pulled by commissioner fernandez.

1060
02:16:01,680 --> 02:16:01,680
it was it was I'd like to see. Yeah, it was on consent at the last agenda.

1061
02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:11,360
yeah, I just pulled it. And if I could throw the mayor if.

1062
02:16:16,600 --> 02:16:19,600
commissioner fernandez. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I love the idea. I think I think it's it's a great idea.

1063
02:16:22,920 --> 02:16:22,920
the more that we can handle our our signalization and commissioner.

1064
02:16:28,040 --> 02:16:28,040
suarez. You've worked tremendously with our transportation department.

1065
02:16:33,100 --> 02:16:33,100
I just, you know, I want to understand, do we have the staffing,
The technology and the resources to be able to

1066
02:16:43,300 --> 02:16:43,300
handle this? So today, we do not. Okay. And how long do we anticipate it's going to take
Us to negotiate this with the county?

1067
02:16:53,580 --> 02:16:53,580
I mean, jose, we've been working on this in smaller pieces over the years.

1068
02:17:01,900 --> 02:17:01,900
the county has been hesitant to relinquish this control.

1069
02:17:06,860 --> 02:17:06,860
can we, you know, can we reengage these conversations and see if there's any appetite to
Go further this time?

1070
02:17:15,820 --> 02:17:15,820
absolutely. Good morning. Mayor. Commissioners jose gonzalez,
Transportation and mobility director.

1071
02:17:22,220 --> 02:17:22,220
if this resolution passes, if it's adopted, we'll certainly reengage the county.

1072
02:17:28,460 --> 02:17:28,460
we've had just preliminary conversations, high level conversations with their leadership.

1073
02:17:34,590 --> 02:17:34,590
just also want to mention and my understanding and commissioner correct me if I'm wrong,
But the idea with with this item would be that we would have

1074
02:17:44,070 --> 02:17:44,070
autonomous control of the signal timing changes,
Not to necessarily install signals, maintain signals,

1075
02:17:51,510 --> 02:17:51,510
which would require a lot more resources. This is more tapping into having complete
Autonomy,

1076
02:17:57,630 --> 02:17:57,630
I should say, in terms of tapping into the county's signal timing changes and have the
Authority to make those changes without having to go through the county.

1077
02:18:07,310 --> 02:18:07,310
yeah. And I'll second your motion. Okay. Can I commissioner magazine.

1078
02:18:14,670 --> 02:18:14,670
who's they? Are there some areas that we have pinpointed as more problematic than others?

1079
02:18:20,470 --> 02:18:20,470
one that stands out to me just because of my experience traversing this road several times
Each day is alton road wrote.

1080
02:18:27,960 --> 02:18:27,960
and I live on sixth and west avenue, and it quite literally takes me longer to get from
There to city hall than it does from my

1081
02:18:37,680 --> 02:18:37,680
house to the heart of brickell, and has nothing to do with the traffic,
Because this can happen at any time during the day,

1082
02:18:46,960 --> 02:18:46,960
even in the early mornings. And I'm not an expert on what traffic light signalization
Looks like,

1083
02:18:54,080 --> 02:18:54,080
but I can just look north up an empty alton road and just see the staggered lights with no
Rhyme or reason.

1084
02:19:02,520 --> 02:19:02,520
doesn't seem timed that I know something is off and something is problematic.

1085
02:19:07,560 --> 02:19:07,560
so are there certain? And that has impacts on traffic all across the city,
Right.

1086
02:19:13,760 --> 02:19:13,760
especially in the sunset harbor area where the ingress egress from the city connects with
The venetian.

1087
02:19:22,960 --> 02:19:22,960
that is kind of like the bane of our overall traffic problem.

1088
02:19:27,210 --> 02:19:27,210
that artery right there in the evenings, could we not identify some corridors that are
More consequential than others

1089
02:19:37,010 --> 02:19:37,010
and really put a full court press on the county to say,
Oh, what gives here?

1090
02:19:42,930 --> 02:19:45,730
why can't we simply work together for this? Right. Like and that's why we essentially have this where we think about asking for our control
Is because what we can't get cooperation for the county to

1091
02:19:55,730 --> 02:19:55,730
work together. And I get if they don't have time to look at every single street or
Whatever it may be across the whole city.

1092
02:20:02,570 --> 02:20:02,570
but if we identify some core arteries where signalization is just off,
And I'll put olson road if I'm wrong on that one,

1093
02:20:10,730 --> 02:20:10,730
tell me, especially now with our new rep in the county,
Can we not really make a full court effort to say,

1094
02:20:18,610 --> 02:20:18,610
here's these three main corridors where we really need your help on?

1095
02:20:23,610 --> 02:20:23,610
because it concerns me about the resources that we would need to make this happen.

1096
02:20:29,100 --> 02:20:29,100
so, commissioner, we have we've we've identified 10 to 15 critical intersections where,
You know,

1097
02:20:37,220 --> 02:20:37,220
they're on our list every morning. Our traffic monitors are looking their cameras at those
Intersections.

1098
02:20:42,980 --> 02:20:42,980
they're looking at those intersections to see if there's anything that's that's off.

1099
02:20:48,500 --> 02:20:48,500
when you refer to to timing being off, what may be happening along certain corridors is
That the,

1100
02:20:54,900 --> 02:20:54,900
the vehicle detection devices are faulty. And so when that happens,
Even though the signal programing may be optimized,

1101
02:21:04,500 --> 02:21:04,500
it just faulty detection throws the entire signal timing plan off.

1102
02:21:10,380 --> 02:21:10,380
and and joseph if I can if I can tag on to that because this is what sponsored this this
Item is remember the

1103
02:21:20,220 --> 02:21:20,220
meridian 15th and 16th street. I. I first went to the county.

1104
02:21:25,990 --> 02:21:25,990
I went well, I went to you, right. Jose I said,
Hey, look, these signal timings don't seem right.

1105
02:21:33,630 --> 02:21:33,630
it took like, 90s at like 1:00 in the morning to cross 15th and 16th,
And they weren't even synchronized.

1106
02:21:41,910 --> 02:21:41,910
you didn't get a response? Then I went to our state representative and remind you,
This is not a major intersection. This is just a small little intersection in the core of

1107
02:21:49,590 --> 02:21:49,590
flamingo park. Didn't get a response or got a response,
But say, hey, we're working on it.

1108
02:21:57,190 --> 02:21:57,190
two months go by. I had to call the county mayor to get them to address this concern that
I had.

1109
02:22:05,990 --> 02:22:05,990
and at that point, I'm realizing that, you know,
Miami beach is a unique place where we we really don't we don't abut any

1110
02:22:15,430 --> 02:22:15,430
other municipalities other than surfside. And surfside is only connected by two streets,
Harding and collins.

1111
02:22:24,480 --> 02:22:24,480
it's the perfect sort of petri dish of of of a municipality that we can control our own
Traffic because

1112
02:22:34,440 --> 02:22:34,440
like what you mentioned, we have a broken crosswalk detection,
Which happens a lot.

1113
02:22:41,600 --> 02:22:44,640
that completely throws off the signalization. And by doing this and having more control, at least we can then alter the signalization
Timing regardless if the button thinks that it's

1114
02:22:54,640 --> 02:22:54,640
getting pressed every single time. Correct. And from what we've discussions we've had,
We have the staff to do that at.

1115
02:23:01,600 --> 02:23:05,560
currently we have a traffic engineer on staff. I think you have over a dozen people in your department.

1116
02:23:10,760 --> 02:23:10,760
and time and time again, residents email us and complain to us about traffic when in
Reality I,

1117
02:23:18,320 --> 02:23:18,320
you know, I think that we can alleviate most of our traffic concerns with much better
Signalization timing,

1118
02:23:25,770 --> 02:23:25,770
20, 30, 40%. And that's a huge win for people commuting to work,
Commuting from here to city hall,

1119
02:23:34,210 --> 02:23:34,210
as commissioner magazine said. And it just makes sense for our city to control our
Traffic.

1120
02:23:41,730 --> 02:23:41,730
signalization. It would allow us to make changes much quicker.

1121
02:23:47,170 --> 02:23:50,170
correct. Having to go through miami-dade county to make the changes. In the case of meridian 15th and 16th, we actually developed a signal timing plan to
Mitigate the fact that the detection loops were faulty.

1122
02:23:58,890 --> 02:23:58,890
and even then, it took over a month for the signal timing plan that we had developed to be
Reviewed and implemented.

1123
02:24:08,050 --> 02:24:08,050
so certainly the turnaround times are will be much quicker if we have that direct access,
That control to make the changes.

1124
02:24:16,630 --> 02:24:20,470
I will. Just to be clear, it will require additional resources. I only have one traffic engineer in charge of the entire county,
While the county has much more staff available to us.

1125
02:24:28,990 --> 02:24:28,990
I would need probably 2 or 3 more traffic engineers to make sure that we're on top of all
These

1126
02:24:38,630 --> 02:24:38,630
intersections that have faulty devices. And there are dozens and dozens.

1127
02:24:42,670 --> 02:24:42,670
and considering that the number one issue in miami beach is traffic,
That's by far the number one issue.

1128
02:24:50,750 --> 02:24:50,750
it only makes sense that we dedicate our city resources to to addressing that problem.

1129
02:24:55,670 --> 02:24:55,670
and even if we can alleviate the traffic 20,
30%, that's 20, 30% of people's lives that they don't have to spend in the car commuting

1130
02:25:03,350 --> 02:25:03,350
to and getting very frustrated on the roads. So and I also understand,
Because I'm on the tpo that the it wouldn't be

1131
02:25:13,710 --> 02:25:16,440
we wouldn't be the first city to do this and the tri county area. I believe boca raton also has full control of their traffic.

1132
02:25:20,280 --> 02:25:20,280
signalization so there is a precedent set here.

1133
02:25:25,880 --> 02:25:25,880
commissioner bhatt a couple of questions. If we know that we have faulty mechanical
Devices have we done a full citywide sweep of

1134
02:25:35,720 --> 02:25:35,720
which like, do we know every single one that's that's faulty?

1135
02:25:40,400 --> 02:25:40,400
we do. We do receive a list from miami-dade county that has all the intersections with
Faulty detection devices.

1136
02:25:49,040 --> 02:25:49,040
so wouldn't the first thing to do would be to replace or repair those?

1137
02:25:53,440 --> 02:25:53,440
yes. And the county currently has a backlog. Some have been damaged for over a year,
Some for several years,

1138
02:26:00,920 --> 02:26:00,920
some for three days. It depends. Every several years.

1139
02:26:05,080 --> 02:26:08,040
is it is it a supply chain issue? What is the problem? Is it manpower? Miami-dade county, in terms of the detection loops,
It's just a backlog that they have.

1140
02:26:14,650 --> 02:26:14,650
they obviously, you know, have the entire county to to,
To, to repair.

1141
02:26:21,930 --> 02:26:24,890
and these issues are happening all throughout the county. We have approximately 200 traffic signals, more or less.

1142
02:26:29,970 --> 02:26:32,810
we're only a small fraction of miami-dade county. So would they could we not do it ourselves and then just charge them back?

1143
02:26:37,130 --> 02:26:37,130
I mean, this seems crazy to be held hostage by the county when we are a very small
Priority for them.

1144
02:26:43,770 --> 02:26:43,770
and understandably, they've got a whole county to take care of. But,
You know, we are a very population dense area.

1145
02:26:49,770 --> 02:26:49,770
could is there not a way for us to make the repairs or make the replacement and then
Charge them back?

1146
02:26:56,170 --> 02:26:56,170
so we've done that in very rare cases. Commissioner I think since I've been here probably
Just about two times that we've done that because the county was just

1147
02:27:06,170 --> 02:27:06,170
not getting to the repairs quick enough. So we went in and we did that.

1148
02:27:11,980 --> 02:27:11,980
they are they are costly repairs to do that. We don't have the budget in.

1149
02:27:18,740 --> 02:27:21,540
but if we to do that throughout the entire city. But okay, so we could prioritize the most egregious ones,
The ones that affect traffic the most and get reimbursed by the county or withhold,

1150
02:27:30,780 --> 02:27:30,780
you know, like if you are renting an apartment,
Your landlord isn't fixing the sink.

1151
02:27:34,940 --> 02:27:34,940
you make the repair and you just withhold the $200 repair costs from your landlord in the
Next month's rent check.

1152
02:27:40,100 --> 02:27:40,100
right. Like, I would like the administration to look at doing that to the most egregious,
Longest,

1153
02:27:46,140 --> 02:27:46,140
most egregious, and most impactful signals that that we've identified that haven't been
Addressed.

1154
02:27:53,900 --> 02:27:53,900
the other thing is, you and I have talked about the adaptive signalization study that
We're undertaking at one of the really bad intersections or

1155
02:28:03,620 --> 02:28:03,620
series of intersections, north beach. And you've mentioned that sometimes they do better
When actually the traffic is a little bit lighter.

1156
02:28:10,550 --> 02:28:10,550
could we expand that that research to the intersection that commissioner magazine
Mentioned,

1157
02:28:16,230 --> 02:28:16,230
where, you know, even when there are no cars,
The pedestrian has to wait for a couple of minutes to cross the street?

1158
02:28:24,030 --> 02:28:26,470
I believe commissioner suarez identified another one. Like, are there a couple so we can do sort of,
You know, it might not work in this area, but it might work in that area.

1159
02:28:31,390 --> 02:28:31,390
is that something we can. Absolutely. The the north beach signal timing optimization
Analysis that you're referring to,

1160
02:28:39,710 --> 02:28:39,710
clearly, it focuses on on north beach, the 71st street corridor,
Indian creek and abbot.

1161
02:28:45,990 --> 02:28:45,990
that's our first phase if it works there. The plan is to expand that to other
Intersections throughout the.

1162
02:28:51,590 --> 02:28:51,590
right. But when we talked about it yesterday,
You said that sometimes it has shown in the past that it works better in less densely

1163
02:28:58,790 --> 02:28:58,790
trafficked areas. Adaptive. Yes, adaptive. So can we do a dual path analysis?

1164
02:29:05,230 --> 02:29:05,230
because if there are other areas that have different kinds of issues but still signal
Related.

1165
02:29:11,040 --> 02:29:11,040
I don't want to throw out a potentially really useful technology because it doesn't fit
Into one area,

1166
02:29:16,240 --> 02:29:18,720
but it could be really great in other areas. Yes. Yes. Okay. So I would like to amend this to include a directive to explore identifying and
Prioritizing the the signal

1167
02:29:28,680 --> 02:29:28,680
boxes that are faulty and have not been repaired or replaced.

1168
02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:34,000
and are especially impactful to, to our residents of the city.

1169
02:29:42,120 --> 02:29:42,120
what exactly is the amendment? It's to just identify faulty intersection boxes or
Pedestrian crossings and prioritize them.

1170
02:29:49,960 --> 02:29:49,960
but that's already been identified. No. And to for the city to repair or replace them and
Then charge back to the to the county.

1171
02:29:57,680 --> 02:29:57,680
well, mr. City manager, is that how come we don't do that now?

1172
02:30:03,520 --> 02:30:03,520
so my understanding is, in the instances that we've done it in the past,
The county has not reimbursed us.

1173
02:30:10,130 --> 02:30:10,130
that's correct. Well, can we have that conversation with the county?

1174
02:30:15,090 --> 02:30:15,090
I just because it's something that happened that didn't happen the way we wanted it to 15
Years ago for two incidents is not a good enough answer to say,

1175
02:30:23,970 --> 02:30:23,970
we're not going to look at this again if we have I don't know,
You said 16, I think 10 to 15,

1176
02:30:29,130 --> 02:30:29,130
10 to 15. And let's say five of them are really screwing up traffic in the city.

1177
02:30:35,130 --> 02:30:35,130
why could we not go back to the county and say,
We understand you've got a whole big county to take care of.

1178
02:30:40,570 --> 02:30:40,570
let us take care of these five. This is what it's going to cost,
And we'll charge you back.

1179
02:30:45,290 --> 02:30:45,290
I mean, why wouldn't we have that conversation just because it didn't happen 15 years ago?
That's crazy.

1180
02:30:50,210 --> 02:30:50,210
I I'm fully on board, but I think we can bifurcate the two.

1181
02:30:54,650 --> 02:30:56,650
I think we can do an after the fact resolution. I don't want to commingle these these ideas. It's already going to be a stretch asking the
County for

1182
02:31:06,540 --> 02:31:06,540
control of our signalization. I don't also want to say,
Hey, by the way, we're going to fix this and we're going to give you the bill because I

1183
02:31:14,420 --> 02:31:18,340
don't think that's going to go over well. I mean,
I totally get the intent. I understand that, but there's probably a reason why that's not a standard operating procedure for between
The county and the local

1184
02:31:28,180 --> 02:31:28,180
government. I'd be more than happy to co-prime that with you.

1185
02:31:32,580 --> 02:31:32,580
commissioner bhatt and work together on that with a series of sunshine meetings. But at
Least for the traffic signalization.

1186
02:31:39,260 --> 02:31:39,260
item. I'd like to keep that clean and make sure that you know,
These two items are handled separately when we do go to the county.

1187
02:31:49,540 --> 02:31:53,500
if I could commissioner magazine and mr. City manager. Not to get off track here, but perhaps we should work on putting together an analysis of
Services that were dependent or relying on the county for,

1188
02:32:02,200 --> 02:32:02,200
because as we sit here and contemplate how we're going to be the impact on our own city
Budget,

1189
02:32:09,800 --> 02:32:09,800
if the homestead exemption passes in tallahassee,
The county did an analysis, and I think they will be much more impacted than miami beach.

1190
02:32:18,400 --> 02:32:18,400
and we should expect that that will mean greater delays,
Greater delays, but less reliance that we're able to have on county

1191
02:32:27,800 --> 02:32:27,800
services. I don't want to misquote, but I believe they did a recent analysis that their
Commission meeting and the impact is about a third of their budget

1192
02:32:38,000 --> 02:32:38,000
could be impacted by this. I think ours was somewhere around 10%.

1193
02:32:42,480 --> 02:32:42,480
jason, am I getting these numbers correct here?

1194
02:32:46,680 --> 02:32:50,560
1520 okay. And the county's was about at a third. So when we take a look at some of the things that we're relying on the county for,
Would be wise to start baking in expectations that

1195
02:33:00,690 --> 02:33:04,530
we should probably rely a little less understood. So commissioner. But are you okay with bifurcating the two?

1196
02:33:07,210 --> 02:33:07,210
sure. Okay. And then. Great. So we'll do an after the fact.

1197
02:33:11,650 --> 02:33:15,050
this is great. Alcohol sponsor. Both ideas are great. Three sponsors. Beautiful. Thank you for. Okay.

1198
02:33:21,050 --> 02:33:23,530
so I have a co-sponsor by commissioner magazine. Also, anyone else was a commissioner? Bhatt. Sure.

1199
02:33:26,010 --> 02:33:26,010
yeah. Everybody in. Okay. All in. All in. Got it.

1200
02:33:30,370 --> 02:33:30,370
motion by commissioner suarez, seconded by commissioner fernandez. All in favor,
Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

1201
02:33:36,290 --> 02:33:36,290
and you got all these cool sponsors and we got another item.

1202
02:33:40,610 --> 02:33:40,610
okay, so that was on r7. F as is plus an after the fact resolution regarding the
Identifying and repairing and obtaining cost

1203
02:33:50,930 --> 02:33:50,930
from the county. I think also commissioner mentioned engaging the county for the most
Critical intersections.

1204
02:33:58,660 --> 02:33:58,660
so starting that discussion. So both items are approved.

1205
02:34:10,580 --> 02:34:10,580
r5 you. R5

1206
02:34:20,540 --> 02:34:20,540
you use the notice of the mayor city commission of the city of miami,
Florida amending part one subpart b, article nine related special acts of the miami beach

1207
02:34:27,940 --> 02:34:27,940
city code entitled pension system for disability and retirement. Members of police and
Fire department amending section 62 definitions.

1208
02:34:34,100 --> 02:34:34,100
adding definition for police management employees. Amending section 79 entitled deferred
Retirement option plan drop related to the maximum drop participation period providing for

1209
02:34:43,220 --> 02:34:45,940
the repeal of all ordinances and conflict herewith. Codification, severability and providing an effective date. This is a first reading public
Hearing.

1210
02:34:51,180 --> 02:34:51,180
it is item r5. You commissioner fernandez. Thank you,
Mr.

1211
02:34:55,590 --> 02:34:55,590
mayor. I'm so proud to introduce this ordinance today in first reading to extend our
Police chief,

1212
02:35:02,390 --> 02:35:02,390
wayne jones participation in the drop program to ensure the continuity of his exceptional
Leadership in our police department.

1213
02:35:12,350 --> 02:35:16,190
extending chief jones, I believe, offers stability. And above all else, it continues to very measurable the very real progress in our police
Department and public safety at a time when public

1214
02:35:25,910 --> 02:35:25,910
safety remains the top priority of the city of miami beach.

1215
02:35:30,310 --> 02:35:30,310
and I think we can all agree that under chief chief jones leadership our city and our
Police department has delivered some,

1216
02:35:39,750 --> 02:35:39,750
some extraordinary results. We've all been seeing the numbers that have been put out by by
Our city manager in the past year alone,

1217
02:35:48,830 --> 02:35:48,830
violent crimes declined by, I believe, 9%. 99.

1218
02:35:53,440 --> 02:35:53,440
well, there you go. We've seen we've seen a decline in property crimes.

1219
02:36:00,160 --> 02:36:00,160
we've seen a decline in homicides. And all of this reflects the importance of focused
Leadership and a department aligned around clear priorities.

1220
02:36:10,400 --> 02:36:14,400
and also equally important, and I think this is worth to,
To highlight. And I think we're all very proud of the fact that at a time when law enforcement agencies
Around our country,

1221
02:36:21,040 --> 02:36:21,040
around the nation, are struggling to recruit and retain officers,
Our miami beach police department has achieved full staffing of every budgeted sworn

1222
02:36:30,320 --> 02:36:30,320
police officer position. And that is a remarkable accomplishment because at the end of the
Day,

1223
02:36:36,480 --> 02:36:36,480
full staffing, full staffing means better response,
Stronger neighborhood presence, and improved services for the residents and the taxpayers

1224
02:36:46,360 --> 02:36:46,360
of the city of miami beach. So with great gratitude for the incredible work of our men and
Women in the miami beach police department.

1225
02:36:54,770 --> 02:36:54,770
I don't think that there could be a better message as we approach the month of march when
We face some of our most complex,

1226
02:37:04,690 --> 02:37:04,690
high profile events. There could be no greater signal of support for our police officers
That ensuring continuity and their

1227
02:37:13,970 --> 02:37:13,970
leadership and supporting our chief is a way to support the men and women who stand in the
Front lines of our city every single day.

1228
02:37:21,970 --> 02:37:21,970
with that, mr. Mayor, if you allow me, I'd like to recognize our city manager,
Eric carpenter,

1229
02:37:26,210 --> 02:37:29,530
who has been working on this item as well. Thank you. Through the mayor I am I am firmly in support of this item.

1230
02:37:34,650 --> 02:37:38,050
thank you, commissioner, for bringing this item forward. I believe that our police chief is the best police chief in the country.

1231
02:37:43,530 --> 02:37:43,530
he has done outstanding in multiple areas, whether it's looking at our crime stats,
Whether it's looking at the

1232
02:37:53,820 --> 02:37:53,820
implementation of technology as a force multiplier,
To be able to deliver best results based on the budget that we have available,

1233
02:38:04,100 --> 02:38:04,100
whether it's dealing with the promotional process,
Building a command staff that is meeting the needs of our community,

1234
02:38:13,900 --> 02:38:13,900
or whether it's dealing with the rank and file of the employees.

1235
02:38:18,660 --> 02:38:18,660
I believe that the morale of the department is as high as it's been in the entire 13 years
That I've been here,

1236
02:38:25,060 --> 02:38:25,060
and I think that that speaks volumes to how the chief handles his business,
And I am firmly supportive of giving him an opportunity to

1237
02:38:34,940 --> 02:38:34,940
have two more years. I am excited to see what he will accomplish in that time.

1238
02:38:41,900 --> 02:38:41,900
I move the item. Second. Yeah. Thank you. Very proud of our police department.

1239
02:38:49,590 --> 02:38:53,230
as you mentioned, commissioner fernandez, major crimes down 19%. Spring break the last two years. Very peaceful and calm.

1240
02:38:56,590 --> 02:38:56,590
we had a great press conference yesterday sending out good messaging,
Our homeless numbers,

1241
02:39:01,470 --> 02:39:01,470
the lowest count we've ever had, obviously in large part due to the work of our police
Department,

1242
02:39:07,950 --> 02:39:07,950
certainly al and her team. But we lead with compassion because we do offer services that
No other city in south florida offers.

1243
02:39:16,430 --> 02:39:16,430
offers. But at the same time, we enforce our laws and we're not compromising on that.

1244
02:39:20,990 --> 02:39:24,030
and you see, it works. That's how we get the numbers we do. So we're helping people at the same time helping our residents.

1245
02:39:27,390 --> 02:39:27,390
so really appreciative of the work that we're doing,
The full staffing, as we've mentioned,

1246
02:39:31,830 --> 02:39:31,830
first time you said the first time in your 30 year career that's that's happened.

1247
02:39:36,790 --> 02:39:40,750
and I'm proud we we do push up here and we're going to continue to do it. I know there's other items maybe as well have have an item today on the modified mufflers.

1248
02:39:46,040 --> 02:39:48,960
that I know that we're trying to to, to address. We hear a lot from our residents. I will say you've done an outstanding job.

1249
02:39:52,600 --> 02:39:52,600
the difference? We I became mayor around the same time you became police chief a little
Bit before me.

1250
02:39:57,480 --> 02:40:01,160
I think we've seen a significant improvement in the police presence. There's no question our residents say it all the time.

1251
02:40:04,520 --> 02:40:04,520
but there's always areas for improvement. I know you're on board with that. And we're
Going to continue to to work with you to push on that officers out of their cars,

1252
02:40:13,720 --> 02:40:13,720
I think is is one that we, we see some improvement.

1253
02:40:18,080 --> 02:40:18,080
I think it's a little bit slow go. And we're going to continue to,
To try to address that and certain visibility points.

1254
02:40:23,840 --> 02:40:23,840
there's always I think it's one of the exciting things about this program that's going to
Come online.

1255
02:40:28,200 --> 02:40:28,200
it's going to be able to pinpoint areas. It's going to help you I think as well to,
To pinpoint areas.

1256
02:40:34,200 --> 02:40:34,200
so and I think what's also important, and I've heard our officers mention this to me,
I don't specifically do it because our officers,

1257
02:40:44,700 --> 02:40:44,700
have mentioned it to me. I do it because it comes from my heart. I say all the time that
We offer great training,

1258
02:40:49,820 --> 02:40:49,820
we offer the best equipment, we offer the best technology and not only makes our police
Department outstanding,

1259
02:40:56,220 --> 02:40:56,220
it not only helps our residents, but it also helps our officers to be able to do their
Jobs and also feel safe.

1260
02:41:04,660 --> 02:41:04,660
but the fact that we have their back and we do,
It's not just me, it's our commission and it's important.

1261
02:41:09,580 --> 02:41:12,980
and I've had officers tell me a lot like, thank you for saying that. You know, there's a lot of places in this country that the leadership does not say that to
Their officers.

1262
02:41:19,940 --> 02:41:19,940
and they they know it. They should know it. I'll continue to say it because we do.

1263
02:41:25,020 --> 02:41:25,020
and I'm sorry to pinpoint on new york city, but you probably saw that viral video of
Snowballs being thrown at the officers.

1264
02:41:32,460 --> 02:41:32,460
and at least based on the video I saw, those officers were just doing their job,
Just walking up and down and the lack of respect shown to them.

1265
02:41:40,900 --> 02:41:40,900
I mean, I just I would, I would literally go,
I, I just couldn't imagine being the mayor of the city if that,

1266
02:41:47,190 --> 02:41:47,190
god forbid, ever happened here. No officer should have ever treated like that for doing a
Job that is it's an important job.

1267
02:41:55,030 --> 02:41:55,030
it's an incredibly important job. A very difficult job being a police officer.

1268
02:41:59,270 --> 02:41:59,270
and. And that's why I tell our officers I respect the work that you do.

1269
02:42:03,630 --> 02:42:03,630
you should be treated with dignity and continue to follow your training and expertise,
And we will always have your back.

1270
02:42:11,310 --> 02:42:11,310
so thank you, chief. Thank you for leading this for us and looking forward to continuing
To working closely with you, mr.

1271
02:42:17,110 --> 02:42:17,110
mayor. And you know, you you touched on the measurable outcomes and just just as important
And you mentioned that it's the stability and the

1272
02:42:26,870 --> 02:42:26,870
confidence that chief jones has fostered within the within the police department itself.

1273
02:42:33,790 --> 02:42:33,790
I think we can say confidently that the men and women of the miami beach police department
Who put on this uniform every single day.

1274
02:42:43,400 --> 02:42:43,400
our police force, they trust chief jones leadership,
And they know he supports them.

1275
02:42:49,920 --> 02:42:49,920
and they know he holds the department to the highest of standards.

1276
02:42:54,240 --> 02:42:54,240
and that's based on what we see and what we hear on the streets about his leadership.

1277
02:43:00,760 --> 02:43:04,680
and that is perhaps the most important thing,
As the manager mentioned. Morale. Morale? I've never seen morale amongst our officers be so high.

1278
02:43:11,160 --> 02:43:11,160
and these are the type of things that we need to continue because the morale is high.

1279
02:43:16,320 --> 02:43:16,320
they love doing their job. And the more that they love doing their job,
The safer our city and our residents will be.

1280
02:43:23,200 --> 02:43:23,200
mr. Mayor. Commissioner bhatt and commissioner suarez.

1281
02:43:29,240 --> 02:43:29,240
you know, I think that the change that I've seen in the police department over the last
Few years is a small p progressive one in the

1282
02:43:39,210 --> 02:43:39,210
best possible way. And I think that is largely in part to chief jones's vision.

1283
02:43:45,570 --> 02:43:45,570
and I look forward to him continuing that forward march into progress for the next two
Years,

1284
02:43:53,290 --> 02:43:56,970
because his legacy will be predicated on that. Whoever takes over from from the chief will be standing on a foundation that the chief and
His his colleagues have built.

1285
02:44:07,050 --> 02:44:07,050
and that to me, includes, in addition to all the things that my colleagues have said about
Training and morale,

1286
02:44:14,010 --> 02:44:14,010
which I echo and applaud you for the increased embrace of technology to make policing more
Responsive,

1287
02:44:24,930 --> 02:44:24,930
faster and safer for everybody involved. I mean,
Just as a small example, the fact that you can send a drone out within seconds to a call

1288
02:44:33,330 --> 02:44:33,330
for service so that by the time the police officers get there a minute or two later,
They already have the area lit up.

1289
02:44:40,340 --> 02:44:40,340
they've been able to identify where the person may be and they know what they're walking
Into.

1290
02:44:44,820 --> 02:44:44,820
I mean, that makes it safer for everybody. And that is incredible.

1291
02:44:49,500 --> 02:44:49,500
so that kind of embrace of technology as the technology evolves,
Evolves, rather is is great for everybody.

1292
02:44:58,180 --> 02:44:58,180
I mean, the reason why you guys put on the blue uniforms and we don't is because you guys
Actually run towards danger while we're taking cover.

1293
02:45:05,860 --> 02:45:05,860
so you know, we want to make sure that everybody who is protecting the city is as safe as
They can be.

1294
02:45:12,100 --> 02:45:12,100
the other value that the chief has brought. And I know diversity is a bad word these days,

1295
02:45:18,740 --> 02:45:18,740
but the fact of the matter is that more that a police department can reflect the residents
Of the community that is policing,

1296
02:45:26,060 --> 02:45:26,060
the more effective it is. So if that's more people of color,
If that's more women in leadership positions,

1297
02:45:31,780 --> 02:45:35,230
it is imperative that that progress continue. Diversity is not a dirty word. Diversity means that everybody has a shot to do a great job
If they are up to the task.

1298
02:45:42,070 --> 02:45:42,070
and so I, I applaud the progress that has been made so far.

1299
02:45:46,670 --> 02:45:46,670
and I would encourage us more progress along that line so that our police force reflects
The community that it is a part of.

1300
02:45:56,790 --> 02:45:56,790
I think it makes all the difference in the world when you have a police officer that you
Feel comfortable speaking to about something that might be your most horrifying,

1301
02:46:04,950 --> 02:46:04,950
terrifying moment in your life. And so I applaud that progress.

1302
02:46:09,870 --> 02:46:09,870
and I implore you all, chief, with your leadership,
But the command staff to continue embracing that progress and not letting it be

1303
02:46:19,350 --> 02:46:22,790
undone when leadership changes in a couple of years. So keep up the excellent work. And, you know you look at where we were ten,
15 years ago and some of the things that happened in,

1304
02:46:31,030 --> 02:46:31,030
in this police department in the miami beach police department versus where we are now.

1305
02:46:36,040 --> 02:46:36,040
it is night and day. The things that happened ten,
15 years ago were hair raising, horrifying,

1306
02:46:43,240 --> 02:46:43,240
wildly unacceptable. And we as a city and the police department as an organization face
The consequences.

1307
02:46:50,280 --> 02:46:50,280
not to mention the individuals face the consequences that has to be a distant,
Distant memory and a and a a lesson that is not

1308
02:47:00,040 --> 02:47:00,040
forgotten. We can never go back to where we were.

1309
02:47:04,720 --> 02:47:04,720
I don't care whose chief. We can never backslide even an inch.

1310
02:47:09,120 --> 02:47:12,560
it is damaging to the community. It's damaging to the organization. It's damaging to the reputation. It's damaging to the morale of people who serve.

1311
02:47:18,200 --> 02:47:21,640
and none of that is okay. So keep up the great work. Double down on it and let's go. Commissioner.

1312
02:47:25,000 --> 02:47:25,000
suarez. Chief, I'd like to invite you up to the podium.

1313
02:47:40,850 --> 02:47:44,570
morning. Morning again, sir. You know, full transparency. We had a meeting. Right. And we, we discussed at least some of my priorities,
And I have to hand it off to you.

1314
02:47:54,730 --> 02:47:54,730
one of my biggest issues and priorities was marine patrol.

1315
02:47:58,890 --> 02:47:58,890
right? Before I got elected, you know, not to throw anyone under the bus,
But I don't think marine patrol was

1316
02:48:08,490 --> 02:48:08,490
run with the the best personnel. And I made this issue

1317
02:48:18,410 --> 02:48:18,410
very clear to you and your staff, and lo and behold,
It's.

1318
02:48:26,130 --> 02:48:26,130
like a perfect engine right now. And that's thanks to you.

1319
02:48:31,150 --> 02:48:33,630
I think you heard my concerns loud and clear. And it's it's it's better than ever. And if you look out on the bay,
There's almost no more boats.

1320
02:48:42,630 --> 02:48:42,630
the. If they're speeding on the waterways, it's being handled.

1321
02:48:47,550 --> 02:48:47,550
if there's noise complaints, it's handled. Some of my other concerns were,
You remember speeding tickets?

1322
02:48:56,950 --> 02:48:56,950
okay. Remember the easels? Okay. Homelessness enforcement.

1323
02:49:03,470 --> 02:49:03,470
and when we have this discussion, I said, look,
I'm going to support this extension.

1324
02:49:10,510 --> 02:49:10,510
I go, I'm going to want to see measurable results in speeding down,
For example, collins avenue.

1325
02:49:18,670 --> 02:49:18,670
I mean, every day we probably get emails for loud mufflers,
Speeding down collins.

1326
02:49:25,830 --> 02:49:25,830
you know, I think just the other day we saw a big a big accident on collins.

1327
02:49:30,800 --> 02:49:30,800
that's going to be one of the priorities that I'm going to hold you accountable to over
The next year or two years.

1328
02:49:39,040 --> 02:49:39,040
and I think that's important, right? I want to see a much better improvement for

1329
02:49:49,000 --> 02:49:49,000
these issues that continue to pile up, no pun intended,
Over, over these years.

1330
02:49:55,560 --> 02:49:55,560
homelessness enforcement. Another issue that we discussed and,
You know, as it relates to homelessness enforcement,

1331
02:50:04,400 --> 02:50:04,400
you know, that also trickles down to these petty theft crimes that people get their bikes
Stolen,

1332
02:50:11,800 --> 02:50:11,800
their scooters stolen. And that's, I believe,
In large part, a criminal homeless population that really preys on our,

1333
02:50:21,560 --> 02:50:21,560
our residents. So over the next year, two years.

1334
02:50:27,690 --> 02:50:31,650
and, you know, through the chair of the public safety committee. Commissioner fernandez you know, we're going to want to hold the police department
Accountable.

1335
02:50:38,210 --> 02:50:38,210
and, you know, because we know what the data is now we know what the metrics are.

1336
02:50:42,890 --> 02:50:42,890
we're going to want to see a significant increase in these priorities moving forward for
The next couple of years.

1337
02:50:51,810 --> 02:50:54,490
so I just want to hear from you, okay. With you. I want to get you on the record and and hear you commit to that.

1338
02:50:59,730 --> 02:50:59,730
sure. Happy to. Commissioner. And the conversation I had the other day,
I thought it was a very positive conversation.

1339
02:51:06,650 --> 02:51:06,650
I think we're aligned. And what needs to be done in the city to continue our forward
Momentum,

1340
02:51:12,330 --> 02:51:15,130
making it better, safer for residents and visitors. And so I'm committed to it. Like I said to you then,
I'm committed to making a difference,

1341
02:51:18,810 --> 02:51:18,810
making a difference in the context of lowering those numbers,
Bruce, if you will say to you privately,

1342
02:51:25,500 --> 02:51:25,500
then I'm saying to you publicly now, thank you very much.

1343
02:51:32,340 --> 02:51:32,340
I commissioner vice mayor monica mateo- salinas and commissioner magazine.

1344
02:51:38,140 --> 02:51:38,140
hi, chief. Good morning madam. I was present when you were sworn in as chief,
And that's a moment that will stick with me forever.

1345
02:51:45,380 --> 02:51:45,380
we were at new world. And you. We had all the police chaplains lay their hands on you.

1346
02:51:50,980 --> 02:51:50,980
and there was a rabbi, and there was a priest,
And there was a pastor, and everyone came to pray over you and the work that you would be

1347
02:51:56,820 --> 02:52:00,660
doing in miami beach. And you've done a terrific job. Truly, we all know it. We all thank you for it.

1348
02:52:03,620 --> 02:52:03,620
thank you for your leadership. And I'd also like to say that I called you and I said,
Chief,

1349
02:52:08,540 --> 02:52:12,500
are you sure you want to be extended for two more years? Are you sure you want this? And without hesitation, you said. Absolutely.

1350
02:52:15,460 --> 02:52:19,300
I love miami beach, and I want to continue to make a difference. There's no hesitation in your voice. You are committed to our community.

1351
02:52:25,790 --> 02:52:28,550
we all know it. We all see it. We all feel it. Our residents love the miami beach police department.

1352
02:52:31,310 --> 02:52:33,830
they know a great job that they do every day. We thank you for everything, for your hard work,
Your diligence, everyone in the department.

1353
02:52:38,310 --> 02:52:38,310
we thank you. And it all really stems from leadership.

1354
02:52:42,830 --> 02:52:42,830
and that's you. So thank you very much and I'm proud to support you today.

1355
02:52:47,070 --> 02:52:50,470
you're welcome. Thank you. Chief. Commissioner magazine. Thank you chief. You don't need many words from me because the results speak for
Themselves.

1356
02:52:55,950 --> 02:52:55,950
compared to where we were five years ago as a city it's night and day,
A different place.

1357
02:53:00,950 --> 02:53:00,950
and the police department is a large reason why that is.

1358
02:53:05,430 --> 02:53:08,430
I truly believe we have the best police department in the world. I've often said up here that culture of any organization is set from the top.

1359
02:53:13,070 --> 02:53:13,070
and it's hard to have the best police department in the world if we don't have the best
Police chief in the world.

1360
02:53:18,350 --> 02:53:18,350
and I'm firmly confident that we do so. Thank you for your work.

1361
02:53:23,360 --> 02:53:23,360
I'm proud to support you not only as a police chief,
But a tremendous ambassador to our city.

1362
02:53:30,200 --> 02:53:30,200
and hope you continue doing the same job that we've put our trust in you that you've
Already done.

1363
02:53:35,640 --> 02:53:37,720
so thank you for everything. Thank you. Sir. Mr. Mayor commissioner dominguez. And then commissioner fernandez.

1364
02:53:41,880 --> 02:53:41,880
thank you chief. You have done an outstanding job in tackling our high impact weekends,
Starting with spring break and memorial day

1365
02:53:51,360 --> 02:53:51,360
and any other event that we have. But the month of march was really the hot button for us.

1366
02:53:56,920 --> 02:53:56,920
and you have delivered. You also take care of the neighborhood associations.

1367
02:54:01,600 --> 02:54:01,600
you speak to the residents, you're out in the community,
You're accessible, you're available, you respond. And that is so important and

1368
02:54:08,120 --> 02:54:12,080
appreciated. Thank you for your service and I'm happy to support you. Thank you. Commissioner fernandez, thank you,
Mr.

1369
02:54:14,440 --> 02:54:14,440
mayor. So there's going to be a second reading for this for for this ordinance.

1370
02:54:19,170 --> 02:54:19,170
but chief jones is the chief of the miami beach police department.

1371
02:54:23,850 --> 02:54:23,850
he brings great honor to this city, to this city that we all collectively,
As one body, have the privilege of of serving and representing.

1372
02:54:33,250 --> 02:54:33,250
so while I brought this ordinance as the chair of the public safety committee,
I welcome anyone who wants to join me in seeing this this ordinance as a sign of

1373
02:54:42,810 --> 02:54:42,810
support and backing to the chief and to the incredible men and women who are going to be
Keeping this city safe as we head into the month of march.

1374
02:54:51,010 --> 02:54:51,010
I will join you also. Yes, yes. So everyone or did I miss anyone?

1375
02:54:59,050 --> 02:54:59,050
everyone okay? No pressure. All right, then,
Let's call the question mr.

1376
02:55:05,930 --> 02:55:05,930
mayor. Yes, it is a public hearing. I see no one in zoom.

1377
02:55:10,650 --> 02:55:10,650
and I see mr. Novick almost fell. Trip over yourself,
Chief jones.

1378
02:55:19,220 --> 02:55:19,220
it's it's day and night in my neighborhood. It's a pleasure for myself,
My hotel guests, to be able to utilize the

1379
02:55:29,220 --> 02:55:29,220
my front porch and not be inundated with drug dealers.

1380
02:55:33,900 --> 02:55:33,900
they're no longer loitering outside my building.

1381
02:55:38,020 --> 02:55:38,020
mayor. And commissioner. Bhatt. You stole my thunder regarding that incident last week
With the drone.

1382
02:55:46,500 --> 02:55:46,500
fascinating that the drone was the first responder at the scene.

1383
02:55:51,260 --> 02:55:51,260
and it's fascinating and captivating that the our police officers were able to make an
Arrest in

1384
02:56:01,260 --> 02:56:04,980
that terrible incident. Thank you much. Appreciate you sir. Thank you sir. Thank you. There is no other individual on zoom or in the audience
Requesting to speak.

1385
02:56:10,540 --> 02:56:10,540
I have a motion by commissioner fernandez, seconded by commissioner dominguez. Roll call.

1386
02:56:15,310 --> 02:56:18,470
commissioner fernandez. Yes. Commissioner magazine. Yes. Commissioner. Bart. Yes. Commissioner suarez.

1387
02:56:21,430 --> 02:56:25,110
yes. Vice mayor monica mateo- salinas. Yes. Commissioner. Dominguez. Yes. Mayor. Minor. Yes. Motion carries.

1388
02:56:28,070 --> 02:56:30,790
second reading. Public hearing is scheduled for march 18th. That was item r5. You. Congratulations.

1389
02:56:46,510 --> 02:56:49,470
let's call. Someone has to leave for this item. A representative from. Let's call r7 I r7 I is reinstate south florida art center arts
Grants agreement related grant

1390
02:56:59,110 --> 02:56:59,110
disbursements. Mr. Mayor commissioner suarez.

1391
02:57:09,070 --> 02:57:09,070
thank you, mr. Mayor. The reason I pulled this from the consent agenda.

1392
02:57:13,850 --> 02:57:13,850
simple. When we allocate taxpayer dollars, even a small amount deserves scrutiny.

1393
02:57:20,450 --> 02:57:20,450
us individually, $30,000 may seem insignificant,
But collectively these decisions add up to,

1394
02:57:29,210 --> 02:57:29,210
as we all know, $1 billion budget. Every dollar deserves accountability.

1395
02:57:36,850 --> 02:57:36,850
this is not whether oolites contributes to our cultural fabric.

1396
02:57:42,050 --> 02:57:42,050
they do. The question is whether taxpayer dollars should go to an organization with over
$120 million in assets and more than

1397
02:57:51,570 --> 02:57:51,570
109 million invested in securities, according to their form 990 for the fiscal year ending
In september

1398
02:58:01,170 --> 02:58:01,170
2024, reported approximately $4.78 million in investment income,
Which nearly equals their entire annual

1399
02:58:10,780 --> 02:58:10,780
operating budget of 4.8 million, and that same year,
Their net assets increased by roughly 16 million.

1400
02:58:19,300 --> 02:58:19,300
that is not that is not a nonprofit that is struggling.

1401
02:58:23,780 --> 02:58:23,780
that is a well-capitalized institution with endowment level resources,
Resources that can sustain itself.

1402
02:58:32,220 --> 02:58:32,220
in that same 2024 filing. Ceo earned $345,000 in 2024.

1403
02:58:41,220 --> 02:58:41,220
the city manager of miami beach, who oversees a municipal government with an operating
Budget of $1 billion,

1404
02:58:47,540 --> 02:58:47,540
earned only $332,000. So the head of a roughly $5 million nonprofit was paid more than the
City

1405
02:58:57,260 --> 02:59:00,860
manager responsible for running our entire city government. More than 30% of its operating expenses go towards salaries and compensation.

1406
02:59:07,420 --> 02:59:10,870
these are not these are nonprofit organizations. Public funding should not be reinforcing top heavy compensation structures,
Particularly when the organization has the financial capacity to fund itself through

1407
02:59:20,830 --> 02:59:20,830
investment income. And yet, in fiscal year 25,
The city budget budgeted $30,000 in arts cultural grants funding.

1408
02:59:29,870 --> 02:59:29,870
usually, when an organization can effectively sustain itself,
Our limited tax dollars should be directed toward neighborhood

1409
02:59:38,950 --> 02:59:38,950
initiatives, public safety, infrastructure, and services that more directly benefit our
Residents.

1410
02:59:46,310 --> 02:59:49,830
this is not anti arts. I want to be clear about that. This is not anti arts. It's about stewardship.

1411
02:59:52,630 --> 02:59:52,630
it's about prioritization. And it's about ensuring that taxpayer dollars go where they are
Needed the most.

1412
03:00:01,230 --> 03:00:01,230
for those reasons I am asking that we permanently remove from eligibility under our arts
And culture grant funding program and more closely scrutinize

1413
03:00:10,920 --> 03:00:10,920
funding organizations with large endowments or substantial net worth before public dollars
Are spent.

1414
03:00:18,320 --> 03:00:21,000
we owe that responsibility to our residents and pj. I have a short presentation I'd like to show.

1415
03:00:25,720 --> 03:00:25,720
go to next slide, please. So like I said, the oolites are financial snapshot.

1416
03:00:30,720 --> 03:00:30,720
this is for the fiscal year 2020. For their total assets are $120 million.

1417
03:00:36,920 --> 03:00:36,920
net assets 119.7. Investments. Publicly traded securities $109 million.

1418
03:00:44,120 --> 03:00:44,120
annual expenses is $4.8 million. My key question is,
Should the city subsidize an organization with $120 million in assets?

1419
03:00:54,080 --> 03:00:54,080
next slide. So the city of miami beach, our total operating budget $829 million.

1420
03:01:01,800 --> 03:01:01,800
highest compensated city employee. Well, it's it is supposed to be.

1421
03:01:08,650 --> 03:01:08,650
our city manager gets $332,000. That was for fiscal year 2020 for total annual
Expenditures of 4.8 million.

1422
03:01:18,370 --> 03:01:18,370
and the highest compensated employee, which is their ceo,
Is $345,000.

1423
03:01:24,250 --> 03:01:24,250
ceo of a $5 million nonprofit earned more than the city manager of $1 billion budget.

1424
03:01:29,330 --> 03:01:29,330
next slide. So in fiscal year 24, investment income 4.7 million.

1425
03:01:35,650 --> 03:01:35,650
total expenses 4.8. Net asset growth in one year $16 million.

1426
03:01:42,290 --> 03:01:46,210
investment income alone covers nearly the entire operating budget. This organization is self-sustaining. Next slide.

1427
03:01:51,330 --> 03:01:51,330
total compensation and benefits 31% of expenses is their compensation to top executives
The top three the ceo,

1428
03:01:59,890 --> 03:01:59,890
the vp and the former cfo topic. Executive. Total $651,000.

1429
03:02:06,220 --> 03:02:06,220
next slide. So for fiscal year 2025 and the cultural grants,
That is 30,000.

1430
03:02:13,580 --> 03:02:13,580
in the context, 11 $119 million in net assets,
A self-sustaining investment income, $30,000 can be better directed to,

1431
03:02:22,700 --> 03:02:22,700
for example, resident focused services, public safety or infrastructure community program,

1432
03:02:27,180 --> 03:02:27,180
or perhaps even another nonprofit that is struggling that could use the money to bring
Talent to to miami beach.

1433
03:02:37,220 --> 03:02:37,220
next slide. So again, this is not anti arts. It's just prioritizing taxpayer dollars.

1434
03:02:43,820 --> 03:02:43,820
you know, supporting organizations that truly need assistance with with a subsidy to to
Get off the ground maximizing community

1435
03:02:53,660 --> 03:02:53,660
input. And and in reality we're practicing responsible stewardship.

1436
03:02:59,220 --> 03:02:59,220
so look, when, a like I said here, when an organization can fund itself on investment
Income alone,

1437
03:03:04,870 --> 03:03:04,870
public subsidy should not be considered. So you can close the slide,
Pj.

1438
03:03:10,510 --> 03:03:10,510
look I'm, I think it's I think it's I just think it's wrong

1439
03:03:20,910 --> 03:03:20,910
that you're you're asking for a recurring $30,000 from taxpayer funded

1440
03:03:31,110 --> 03:03:31,110
dollars when you're your organization clearly does not need the money.

1441
03:03:38,190 --> 03:03:38,190
I think if we're going to use taxpayer dollars for arts and cultural organizers,
Let's give it to let's give it to groups that actually need

1442
03:03:47,950 --> 03:03:47,950
it and are struggling because I think this is a waste.

1443
03:03:52,950 --> 03:03:52,950
I think this is also, I think if most people in the public knew that we were giving away
Money on a yearly basis to an organization that has

1444
03:04:02,560 --> 03:04:02,560
$120 million, and their top ceo makes more than our city manager.

1445
03:04:08,160 --> 03:04:08,160
hundreds of thousands of dollars. I think most people would be very upset about that.

1446
03:04:12,640 --> 03:04:15,560
I'm upset about that. And that's why I pulled it. And, you know, I think about commissioner magazine,
I think you have an item pending at ferc where,

1447
03:04:24,080 --> 03:04:24,080
you know, we're going to highly scrutinize any sort of nonprofits where the top brass ceo
Makes over a quarter million

1448
03:04:34,080 --> 03:04:34,080
dollars. Certainly this would qualify. And, you know,
From now on, I, you know, at least for me,

1449
03:04:41,640 --> 03:04:41,640
I'm going to really scrutinize every dollar that's spent on with,
With taxpayer money.

1450
03:04:48,560 --> 03:04:52,280
and. Sure. Look, I mean, things are going to get thrown at me. I'm going to say people are going to say, call me anti arts anti gay.

1451
03:04:56,540 --> 03:04:56,540
you know, I think it's I think at some point we just have to have an honest conversation
About,

1452
03:05:02,660 --> 03:05:06,260
you know, where is our best use for taxpayer dollars. So I welcome the discussion from my colleagues.

1453
03:05:08,820 --> 03:05:08,820
I, I certainly can't support this, given the fact that this is this organization has over
$100 million in assets.

1454
03:05:17,580 --> 03:05:21,540
so I'd love to hear what you guys have to say. Commissioner dominguez. Thank you mayor. So I have some questions that I'd like to hear
From the city and from oolite arts,

1455
03:05:29,300 --> 03:05:29,300
because during my briefing, the city was supportive of this.

1456
03:05:34,900 --> 03:05:34,900
they the city is ready to move forward with oolite as a partner.

1457
03:05:39,380 --> 03:05:39,380
and the grant is a matching grant. And there's criteria involved.

1458
03:05:45,500 --> 03:05:45,500
and having an arts organization as a partner like that shows that the city has skin in the
Game and is working with the arts and helping.

1459
03:05:53,460 --> 03:05:53,460
so I just want to understand more why the city is recommending it and more details.

1460
03:06:02,070 --> 03:06:02,070
good morning. The director of tourism and culture for the city of miami beach.

1461
03:06:06,390 --> 03:06:09,110
thank you commissioner. And you stated it well. We are supportive of this. This is an amazing organization,
And we get by sponsoring it.

1462
03:06:15,190 --> 03:06:15,190
our logo is on all of their their marketing,
And it shows it promotes the city of miami beach as a leading arts and culture

1463
03:06:21,150 --> 03:06:21,150
destination. It is a matching grant. So the 30,000 that is through the grant process.

1464
03:06:28,270 --> 03:06:28,270
they do have to have matching grants for that. And I also want I want to introduce we do
Have the ceo john daley here with us

1465
03:06:38,110 --> 03:06:38,110
today. Yeah I'll share that. Of course it is a matching grant requirement.

1466
03:06:43,870 --> 03:06:43,870
we also spend a good deal more per year on our lincoln road activation.

1467
03:06:48,910 --> 03:06:48,910
so we own a building on lincoln road that we've been in for almost 40 years.

1468
03:06:54,640 --> 03:06:56,920
it's a historic building. It's about 100 years old. We house 13 artists. We give them free studio space to make work for a year,
As well as career development services.

1469
03:07:04,040 --> 03:07:04,040
we host about around 50 art classes every year for local folks.

1470
03:07:10,360 --> 03:07:10,360
actually, folks drive in from all over the region for these classes figure drawing,
Digital media,

1471
03:07:15,440 --> 03:07:15,440
things like that. We have four exhibition openings every year because we have a gallery
Space on lincoln road in that building.

1472
03:07:23,040 --> 03:07:23,040
so tonight, for example, we have a free opening where everyone can meet the artists in
Their studios and see the work we're presenting from among our alumni.

1473
03:07:30,640 --> 03:07:30,640
we have about a thousand miami-dade alumni who've come through our services over the last
40 years that we've been on lincoln road.

1474
03:07:38,200 --> 03:07:41,000
and so we are dedicated to community activations. I'm very proud to say I'm new to the community.

1475
03:07:44,480 --> 03:07:44,480
but I can speak proudly for allied arts that we were part of the revitalization of lincoln
Road.

1476
03:07:49,040 --> 03:07:49,040
we've been around since 1984, and played a key role in a transformation that took place,
Of course,

1477
03:07:55,490 --> 03:07:55,490
in the 90s and the 2000. Economically and culturally.

1478
03:07:59,690 --> 03:08:02,690
hey, john, first of all, I know we've we've met several times. I'm going to start off really commending you.

1479
03:08:06,410 --> 03:08:10,410
we had I won't rehash a couple of years ago,
There were some issues. You came in a new board. You've really revamped that organization in a positive way.

1480
03:08:15,290 --> 03:08:15,290
so in a short period of time. So very appreciative of of of that and your partnership with
Our city.

1481
03:08:21,610 --> 03:08:24,930
and I've been to your to the gallery at the on lincoln road. It's it was impressive. It was quite a, quite a crowd that night.

1482
03:08:30,530 --> 03:08:30,530
I hate to put you on the spot, but can you comment on those numbers that we just saw from
The presentation from commissioner?

1483
03:08:36,210 --> 03:08:36,210
suarez. Is all that accurate? Sure. I can say that the endowment that we have,
We've owned several buildings on lincoln road in our 40 year history and the endowment

1484
03:08:44,970 --> 03:08:44,970
that we have today I can say 100% of our money goes towards our mission,
Which is to support contemporary art and support artists.

1485
03:08:53,460 --> 03:08:56,100
and that money came from the sale of a building. It's actually where the restaurant is now in the sketchers.

1486
03:08:58,860 --> 03:08:58,860
we own that building and activated that building for many years at the very height of the
Real estate market here in town.

1487
03:09:05,620 --> 03:09:05,620
about 15 years ago, the board members led a sale of that building,
And it led to the endowment.

1488
03:09:11,420 --> 03:09:14,500
it transformed the organization in a couple of key ways. One is we were very much a shoestring budget.

1489
03:09:17,020 --> 03:09:17,020
you know, there was a lot of spit and gumption and volunteer hours that were being put
Into supporting the artists that we we gave studio space to at that time.

1490
03:09:27,100 --> 03:09:27,100
and it really transformed us into an organization that was able to professionalize,
To hire professional staff to rightsize and fix and get right our systems,

1491
03:09:36,300 --> 03:09:36,300
our financial oversight, our transparency and things like that. And so we've been making
That move over the last 15 years since the money came in. We also began to provide all of

1492
03:09:45,180 --> 03:09:48,230
our services essentially for free to the community. We do charge a small fee for our arts based classes,
But we do not collect money from any artist or any participant in any of our programs in

1493
03:09:54,830 --> 03:09:54,830
any other way. And that was an important transformation,
Because we were able to really begin to better launch artists careers for miami-dade

1494
03:10:02,390 --> 03:10:02,390
county. Now we've expanded to a four county footprint in recognition that many of our
Artists have been forced to move to other counties because of the housing affordability

1495
03:10:10,390 --> 03:10:10,390
challenges. And so in that way, we become, I believe,
A much more generous and impactful organization because of that money.

1496
03:10:18,750 --> 03:10:18,750
and and I would I, I respectfully commissioner,
If I may, I do think that having a financially sound and

1497
03:10:28,230 --> 03:10:28,230
stable nonprofit is good for the community. If you don't mind me asking,
What is your salary?

1498
03:10:32,910 --> 03:10:32,910
it's about the same as what you reported when I came in about a year ago.

1499
03:10:36,990 --> 03:10:36,990
it's what they brought me in at. I mean, this is ridiculous.

1500
03:10:44,310 --> 03:10:44,310
dude, you're making over $300,000 and you're asking for taxpayer subsidies.

1501
03:10:49,480 --> 03:10:49,480
I mean, I understand it's a matching grant, but,
Look, you know, you guys sold your building at the height of of

1502
03:10:59,360 --> 03:10:59,360
of the market. You are flushed with cash. You are personally making over $300,000 a year.

1503
03:11:05,160 --> 03:11:05,160
you've come to us asking for money from taxpayers.

1504
03:11:10,280 --> 03:11:10,280
I mean, this is I'm offended. I and I'm I'm I know this is very passionate for you,
But I

1505
03:11:20,000 --> 03:11:20,000
think this is ridiculous. I mean, how dare you come to us asking for money when you have
All this,

1506
03:11:26,720 --> 03:11:30,480
all these assets and all this cash? I mean, I think it's just. It's just frustrating when I see this. Look,
We have real problems in our city.

1507
03:11:37,240 --> 03:11:37,240
we have people who can't afford their special assessment that are getting priced out of
The market.

1508
03:11:43,370 --> 03:11:43,370
and here we are just giving money to organizations that have over $100 million and ceos
That are getting over $300,000.

1509
03:11:50,810 --> 03:11:54,490
I'm sorry. I think that's just I think that's just wrong. And and for for you to come and ask us, our taxpayers to,
To fund this.

1510
03:12:00,850 --> 03:12:00,850
I think it's ridiculous. And, you know, look,
I mean, I understand you do a lot of good in our community,

1511
03:12:07,170 --> 03:12:07,170
but you don't need money from the taxpayers to do that.

1512
03:12:11,770 --> 03:12:11,770
I think if you're going to if you're going to do good for the community,
Do it because it's good for the community.

1513
03:12:16,970 --> 03:12:20,810
it's not because we're giving you money to do it. I again, like I said, I think if most people saw this,
They'd be they'd be very upset that this is where our money's going to.

1514
03:12:29,730 --> 03:12:29,730
so, you know, I just, I it's just frustrating to me for you to sit here and tell me that
You're making over $300,000 a year,

1515
03:12:37,530 --> 03:12:37,530
but you're asking us. You're asking taxpayers who are struggling sorts of fiscal issues to
Fund

1516
03:12:47,260 --> 03:12:47,260
this on a yearly basis. Commissioner bhatt lee said,
We are doing an activation with adidas this year.

1517
03:12:56,780 --> 03:12:59,660
that's correct. How much have we funded them? 600,000. So we funded adidas $600,000 for an activation.

1518
03:13:06,860 --> 03:13:06,860
their ceo makes between 8 and $8.5 million a year.

1519
03:13:12,100 --> 03:13:12,100
they have over $25 billion in revenue, and they rake in about $13 billion in profit.

1520
03:13:20,260 --> 03:13:20,260
so I'm curious. I'd love to respond to that. Could I ask a question,
Please?

1521
03:13:26,060 --> 03:13:26,060
I'm curious to know if my colleagues, any of them,
Are equally outraged about that as we are about this.

1522
03:13:36,020 --> 03:13:36,020
sure. I'd love to respond to that. I think what you're referring to is the programing that
We used to have for spring break,

1523
03:13:43,200 --> 03:13:43,200
where the city would spend $3.2 million on a failed concert program where we brought
Alanis morissette here.

1524
03:13:53,400 --> 03:13:53,400
okay. And we ended up having shootings and stampedes.

1525
03:13:57,680 --> 03:13:57,680
so the fact that we're now spending a quarter of that for a spring break

1526
03:14:07,400 --> 03:14:07,400
refocus on our branding is a discount. I don't expect to pay $600,000 for this

1527
03:14:16,720 --> 03:14:16,720
programing every year. But when you look at what we did for march and what we're currently
Doing for march,

1528
03:14:27,200 --> 03:14:27,200
we filled a void that certainly didn't work. Okay.

1529
03:14:33,640 --> 03:14:33,640
I'm very supportive of the blue zones initiative that you have commissioner bhatt.

1530
03:14:39,010 --> 03:14:42,810
it's going to cost us $8 million to get certified. Excuse me. Let me. Can I finish, please? The city is not speaking.

1531
03:14:46,050 --> 03:14:49,050
I'd like to. I'd like to. I'd like to finish. I'm very supportive of it. Okay. We are funding certain things for a vision of miami beach
And

1532
03:14:59,130 --> 03:14:59,130
recreate. And making sure that march doesn't lead to bloodshed and literally cleaning
Blood off of our streets.

1533
03:15:07,890 --> 03:15:07,890
okay, so when I look at an arts organization where the ceo is making 300,
Over $300,000 a year.

1534
03:15:17,330 --> 03:15:17,330
okay, and are we supposed to fund this forever and not ask any questions?

1535
03:15:26,370 --> 03:15:30,210
so I think we can certainly bifurcate that. Two ideas. We can have a philosophical discussion on that.

1536
03:15:33,250 --> 03:15:33,250
but at the end of the day, I'm simply asking a question is should taxpayer dollars be used
To continuously fund this

1537
03:15:44,220 --> 03:15:44,220
without have any questions for an organization that is completely flushed with cash is,
I don't know,

1538
03:15:52,060 --> 03:15:52,060
commissioner bhatt is that something that you want to do? Commissioner. Bhatt. So to
Correct the record,

1539
03:15:57,420 --> 03:16:00,500
the city is not paying $8 million for blue zones. The city taxpayer dollars will not be used for blue zones.

1540
03:16:05,100 --> 03:16:05,100
that is a miss. An incorrect fact that you're promulgating,
Which is false.

1541
03:16:11,140 --> 03:16:14,900
second of all, I am not debating the merits of one or the other. We all are enthusiastically welcoming. The multiple activations for spring.

1542
03:16:21,260 --> 03:16:21,260
this is the adidas activation is one. My comment was merely illustrating that they also
Have

1543
03:16:31,380 --> 03:16:31,380
the ability to do this. It is going to be a marketing investment for them.

1544
03:16:38,270 --> 03:16:42,230
they also have the ability to do this at no cost to the city. And yet we are welcoming them in with support,
Financial support.

1545
03:16:48,870 --> 03:16:48,870
so, you know, I'm just saying it is a little bit interesting to me that

1546
03:16:58,710 --> 03:16:58,710
one is okay and one is not okay, especially as the scheme of the order of magnitude is
Quite different.

1547
03:17:05,790 --> 03:17:05,790
the $30,000, john, that you get from the city it becomes 60 with the matching grant.

1548
03:17:13,310 --> 03:17:13,310
and what is it used for specifically? The presentation of artwork and our free gallery on
Lincoln road,

1549
03:17:19,390 --> 03:17:22,630
as well as the activations we do around that artwork. We'll have talks with the artists, talks with curators,
Tours.

1550
03:17:26,750 --> 03:17:26,750
we have a free event tonight with hospitality sort of welcoming anybody that wants to come
From about 6 to 9.

1551
03:17:33,960 --> 03:17:33,960
we also have activations that we do in our empty spaces on lincoln road.

1552
03:17:39,040 --> 03:17:39,040
so we have additional exhibition activations. Of course,
The free artist studios we provide several times a year,

1553
03:17:44,320 --> 03:17:44,320
open to the public so they can meet the artists,
Talk about artwork, purchase artwork if they wish.

1554
03:17:50,400 --> 03:17:50,400
and then in addition to that, we have partnerships around the city that we also activate.

1555
03:17:55,440 --> 03:17:55,440
so for example, we might co-present artwork on lincoln road in a vacant space as the bid
Invites us to do.

1556
03:18:02,240 --> 03:18:02,240
we have partnered we've held partnerships with other non-profits,
Of course, in miami beach,

1557
03:18:06,480 --> 03:18:06,480
as well as throughout miami-dade county, as well to provide additional public and free
Access programing in the arts.

1558
03:18:12,480 --> 03:18:12,480
and if if this grant were not given, what effect would it have on what you offer?

1559
03:18:19,200 --> 03:18:22,560
yeah. So 100% of our money goes to our mission. And so if we lose a grant, whether it's from a public sector grant or any other source,
Then we'll we'll have to rightsize the size the budget in a particular area.

1560
03:18:30,890 --> 03:18:30,890
so that might mean, you know, it could just mean delaying a program,
Suspending a program,

1561
03:18:37,330 --> 03:18:37,330
things like that. And could the money be allocated to you mentioned that you have the
Summer art classes for students and residents.

1562
03:18:46,650 --> 03:18:46,650
well, for anybody that people come in, could you offer a fee waiver for miami beach
Residents and students using these funds?

1563
03:18:55,290 --> 03:18:59,250
yeah, we easily could do so. We we offer discount for repeat class purchasers. So we have folks who we have people who have been taking classes with us for decades.

1564
03:19:04,130 --> 03:19:04,130
and so those folks oftentimes sort of earn a discount by just because they're repeat
Purchasers. So it would be an easy extension. Yeah. Commissioner fernandez and

1565
03:19:12,970 --> 03:19:12,970
commissioner magazine. Thank you, mr. Mayor. At the time that that I brought the
Resolution

1566
03:19:22,850 --> 03:19:22,850
to suspend the funding, we asked that all current and future grant agreements with oolite
Be paused until there's a new executive director,

1567
03:19:32,260 --> 03:19:32,260
and that there was a statement provided to the city reflecting the internal controls
Established regarding offensive

1568
03:19:41,860 --> 03:19:41,860
artwork. Has that been met? Yes. Yes, sir. And it's in your package.

1569
03:19:47,460 --> 03:19:47,460
submitted that in october. Thank you. And so,
You know, there's been different numbers that have been tossed around.

1570
03:19:54,540 --> 03:19:54,540
you know, some people were talking about adidas,
The $600,000 that they got from the city.

1571
03:20:00,460 --> 03:20:00,460
other people were talking about blue zones, whether or not it's going to cost the city $8
Million or not.

1572
03:20:07,580 --> 03:20:07,580
I was talking to the city manager, art basel,
About how much in in fees and waivers and stuff.

1573
03:20:14,820 --> 03:20:14,820
this art basel, which is a for profit entity,
Greene art basel is somewhere between one and a half and $2 million.

1574
03:20:21,540 --> 03:20:21,540
okay. And with oolite, how much money are we talking about right now? We held the payment
Of the final payment from the fiscal year 25 grant.

1575
03:20:30,630 --> 03:20:30,630
so it's $15,000 that we're spending, and then to reinstate them to continue to be part of
The cultural arts funding.

1576
03:20:37,910 --> 03:20:37,910
okay. So we're talking so so there's a second payment of $15,000.

1577
03:20:42,790 --> 03:20:42,790
correct. And so this is part of the broader a broader I think it's about $1 million of
Cultural art funds that we make of investments in cultural

1578
03:20:52,510 --> 03:20:55,150
arts. That's correct. And what's the economic impact? Do we know what the economic impact to the city is of that $1 million?

1579
03:20:59,070 --> 03:20:59,070
thank you for asking that. So we fund from the 1.25 million,
About 57 organizations that bring annually to the city of miami beach specific over

1580
03:21:08,470 --> 03:21:08,470
$330 million. So $330 million economic impact.

1581
03:21:14,670 --> 03:21:14,670
and so I just want us to be careful because,
Yes, each one of these entities, some might be for profit and they might get

1582
03:21:24,250 --> 03:21:24,250
support from from the city, but they still do a very important job to our brand,
To the quality of life of our residents,

1583
03:21:33,130 --> 03:21:33,130
to the type of city that we want to position ourselves to be.

1584
03:21:38,250 --> 03:21:38,250
and so and so and by the way, with, with spring break,
You know, actually, we defunded all those activities.

1585
03:21:44,530 --> 03:21:44,530
and when we defunded all of those activities and we directed all of the $3 million to the
Men and women in the police department to support law enforcement,

1586
03:21:54,210 --> 03:21:54,210
that's when we fixed up spring break, but we defunded the concerts.

1587
03:21:59,290 --> 03:21:59,290
we defunded the programing. We directed those $3 million to public safety.

1588
03:22:05,370 --> 03:22:05,370
and that's when we restored order on, on, on the streets.

1589
03:22:11,770 --> 03:22:15,530
there are at times, private entities who do come forward. We had it recently with with a company that was coming to lincoln road and,
And we and we and we provided them with subsidies.

1590
03:22:24,660 --> 03:22:24,660
we've had charlie's from spain that opened up a vacant storefront on lincoln road,
That is a for profit company that got dollars and opened

1591
03:22:34,420 --> 03:22:34,420
up. And they were coming from from spain. And we do it through our commercial lease
Subsidy program.

1592
03:22:40,140 --> 03:22:40,140
there is good precedent established showing that,
Yes, you know, these might be profitable entities and they might not be charity or

1593
03:22:48,660 --> 03:22:48,660
non-profits, but the public's investment in them do generate a significant return.

1594
03:22:54,140 --> 03:22:54,140
in this case, we know that investing in cultural arts organizations through the cultural
Arts council and the grants that they receive do have a significant

1595
03:23:03,860 --> 03:23:03,860
economic impact in our community. That $1 million investment,
We get it back in $330 million of economic impact.

1596
03:23:12,100 --> 03:23:12,100
and so just how art basel is a private entity,
And we subsidize them in different ways, and just how blue zones is a private entity,

1597
03:23:21,310 --> 03:23:24,310
and we might or might not be providing public dollars. And just how adidas is a private entity and we provide them support.

1598
03:23:28,910 --> 03:23:32,710
this is what we do to support our community and help our community thrive. And so I'm I'm going to be supportive. We we passed the funding contingent on certain
Changes within the organization from the very top

1599
03:23:42,790 --> 03:23:42,790
down. And that was delivered upon. And now we need to go back and deliver on the
Commitment that we made at that time.

1600
03:23:50,470 --> 03:23:50,470
and so I'm going to be supportive of of the item before us today.

1601
03:23:54,990 --> 03:23:54,990
commissioner magazine. Yeah. Thank you. I guess where I'm getting torn is,
And I agree with all of your points,

1602
03:24:01,910 --> 03:24:01,910
commissioner fernandez and I agree with a lot of the points that my colleagues have made.

1603
03:24:06,830 --> 03:24:06,830
when I think about this and supplying taxpayer money for any organization,
It's okay.

1604
03:24:12,710 --> 03:24:12,710
why are we doing it right? And I want to try and separate the merits of your organization
Because it is tremendous with the

1605
03:24:22,520 --> 03:24:22,520
need for it. Right. And yes, does adidas need money?

1606
03:24:27,160 --> 03:24:27,160
no. Right. Does the company, a publicly traded company I supported for providing economic
Development incentives,

1607
03:24:35,080 --> 03:24:35,080
need money? No. There was another entity that came to lincoln road edgelord,
That was supported for economic development incentives.

1608
03:24:43,960 --> 03:24:43,960
did they need money? Probably not, but it was a competitive advantage.

1609
03:24:49,920 --> 03:24:49,920
if we didn't provide that, those companies would have went elsewhere or I don't know if
The adidas event would have happened without that.

1610
03:24:59,280 --> 03:24:59,280
here we have a great operator that is long standing,
And I just I'm getting this from a powerpoint presentation,

1611
03:25:07,760 --> 03:25:11,040
so correct me if I'm wrong when I talk about the need for it. Right? So we're not getting anything above and beyond incremental.

1612
03:25:14,720 --> 03:25:14,720
we're not attracting something new. We're not making something happen that wouldn't happen
Without this funding or grant.

1613
03:25:23,450 --> 03:25:23,450
when I look at your operating budget and again,
I'm just going off of power powerpoint presentation,

1614
03:25:30,250 --> 03:25:30,250
I just saw for the first time you have tradable securities of about $110 million.

1615
03:25:39,090 --> 03:25:39,090
and just without doing anything, just the income you make off of those,
Right?

1616
03:25:47,210 --> 03:25:47,210
not charging money for anybody, not not raising private funds,
You entirely cover your annual operating budget about

1617
03:25:56,490 --> 03:25:56,490
$4.8 million, right? So that means without this grant,
Without going to raise any other money,

1618
03:26:03,490 --> 03:26:03,490
without charging a single dollar for admission to any of these studios,
You're already covering every single dollar that you're spending each year just on

1619
03:26:13,410 --> 03:26:16,540
the investment income that you hold from those securities. And god bless you that your real estate experts maybe expand outside of the arts world to
Investment advisors as well.

1620
03:26:22,860 --> 03:26:26,740
you know, it seems like you did well there. But kudos to you for that. I guess where I'm struggling is. What do we get out of this?

1621
03:26:33,540 --> 03:26:33,540
right. Yes. You have a great organization, but that doesn't mean we should just give you
Money for those economic development incentives.

1622
03:26:40,140 --> 03:26:40,140
what we got was bringing these jobs to the city,
And they're not going to last forever, right?

1623
03:26:44,260 --> 03:26:44,260
there's a reason why we only have four years that they're available,
Because then it allows the company to get established.

1624
03:26:51,420 --> 03:26:51,420
and then also to the flip side, if you would come and say,
You know what, we have a $4 million operating budget,

1625
03:26:57,700 --> 03:26:57,700
but we're only raising $1 million each year. And we have to find a way to plug a gap.

1626
03:27:02,740 --> 03:27:02,740
I'd say we have an incredible organization, and without our money,
There might be things that they can't do.

1627
03:27:09,460 --> 03:27:09,460
but I guess where I'm torn here is without our money,
There's really nothing you can't do because you're covering your entire.

1628
03:27:15,510 --> 03:27:15,510
and you could say, well, we wouldn't have this show. I'd say,
Well, maybe reduce executive compensation or something like that.

1629
03:27:21,110 --> 03:27:21,110
right? But just point being, every single dollar you spend each year,
You're actually getting that from your organization just by virtue of

1630
03:27:31,030 --> 03:27:31,030
holding those investments that you have and the investment income that you're making off
Of that,

1631
03:27:36,310 --> 03:27:36,310
that's without raising any outside money, without charging admission or things like that.

1632
03:27:40,510 --> 03:27:40,510
so I don't want to put you on the spot. And full disclosure,
I can't vote yes today.

1633
03:27:47,950 --> 03:27:47,950
I could ask to defer to have more time to talk with you.

1634
03:27:52,310 --> 03:27:52,310
I'm leaning towards perhaps not. So I'm going to put you on the spot.

1635
03:27:57,310 --> 03:27:57,310
if you'd rather have this talk in private, I'm happy to do so.

1636
03:28:01,670 --> 03:28:01,670
but it's like, if we don't do this, tell me how you wouldn't be able to do something else
Beneficial to the community because you

1637
03:28:11,560 --> 03:28:11,560
already have money that's coming in that covers your entire operating budget and cutting.

1638
03:28:16,520 --> 03:28:16,520
that would be, what, 0.01% or something like that of your annual operating budget.

1639
03:28:21,360 --> 03:28:21,360
so I'm just hard pressed to see what the need is,
Right?

1640
03:28:25,880 --> 03:28:25,880
if the need was if we don't do this, we're going to lose light or lights working in
Another city.

1641
03:28:32,400 --> 03:28:35,280
and if we provide this, they're going to come to miami beach. Or if you came here and said, you know what,
We're just not making as much money as we once were.

1642
03:28:39,880 --> 03:28:42,600
so we need this to continue providing those programs. I'd be all in. Right. Because you're a great organization,
But I want to separate you being a great organization from what the need for this actually

1643
03:28:50,560 --> 03:28:54,160
is. Yeah. I will say in a general sense that. So currently, the financial profile of the organization is that we bring in most of most
Of the annual operating budget is funded,

1644
03:29:01,360 --> 03:29:01,360
as you saw, we bring in around another million dollars a year in private fundraising.

1645
03:29:06,720 --> 03:29:06,720
so that might be individuals or grants like any other nonprofit,
And we're working very hard to build that up,

1646
03:29:12,050 --> 03:29:12,050
because the more donations we can receive, the more we can activate on our mission,
Support artists and activate with cultural programing.

1647
03:29:20,090 --> 03:29:20,090
you are correct. You know, in the context of a $5 million budget of $15,000,
Payment has not necessarily derailed what we would like to do.

1648
03:29:29,130 --> 03:29:29,130
but I will say that, you know, the the budget is put together obviously in large part with
The endowment,

1649
03:29:34,490 --> 03:29:34,490
but like any nonprofit, that extra million dollars or so is cobbled together with hundreds
Of different grants and donations.

1650
03:29:41,890 --> 03:29:41,890
and so when something is lost, something must change from management,
As you say, stated.

1651
03:29:48,610 --> 03:29:48,610
and so I, I want to be honest with you, like if,
If the city of miami beach didn't contribute to $30,000 to a $5 million budget

1652
03:29:59,330 --> 03:29:59,330
we could find ways to absorb that. And we could also direct,
You know, our funding towards where the other grant makers were supporting or we're

1653
03:30:07,310 --> 03:30:07,310
activating our our where they're supporting us,
Where they're sort of pushing our programing and asking us to do work.

1654
03:30:14,990 --> 03:30:14,990
but I will also say, you know, I've worked in the nonprofit field for nearly 30 years,
And there was always like,

1655
03:30:24,230 --> 03:30:24,230
you guys, we we have a we have a certain amount of money to spend every year.

1656
03:30:28,870 --> 03:30:28,870
we have to decide on what priorities, what we are going to do and what we're not going to
Do, which is just as important.

1657
03:30:34,470 --> 03:30:37,030
and we're committed to miami beach. We love miami beach. This has been our home for 40 years. And this this is what made oolite who it is.

1658
03:30:42,510 --> 03:30:42,510
so I'm not going to stand here and say I'm, I'm going to cut on miami beach programing.

1659
03:30:48,870 --> 03:30:48,870
and I appreciate that. Yeah. I mean, you know,
And then I'll just sort of generally leave it that we have to make decisions where when we

1660
03:30:56,270 --> 03:30:56,270
don't have enough money to accomplish, we do not have enough money to accomplish all of
Our dreams and our aspirations and our ambitions.

1661
03:31:02,270 --> 03:31:05,440
and so we also make choices. That's the management process. That's my job and the board's job and the job of budgeting.

1662
03:31:08,000 --> 03:31:11,880
every year I have a question follow up question. Well, commissioner bhatt and then commissioner hernandez.

1663
03:31:14,840 --> 03:31:14,840
I just want to restate for the record, because now it's been said twice by two different
People,

1664
03:31:19,880 --> 03:31:23,240
and I want to make sure this is crystal clear. Blue zones is not getting funded by taxpayer dollars.

1665
03:31:26,360 --> 03:31:26,360
and I really do not want to put that out into the public because it's not accurate.

1666
03:31:31,840 --> 03:31:31,840
so let's separate that from this discussion or any future discussion or funding because it
Is not a government resident,

1667
03:31:40,000 --> 03:31:40,000
taxpayer funded project. Period. I don't think that was me,
But if it was, I apologize.

1668
03:31:46,760 --> 03:31:46,760
okay. Yeah, I believe we made an upfront contribution,
A few hundred thousand, but I know,

1669
03:31:52,480 --> 03:31:55,240
right? Yes. And that was done. It's paid for. We have a hard deliverable from it that gave us the feasibility study and a ranking of out
Of from 0 to 5 five being the most likely to be

1670
03:32:05,170 --> 03:32:05,170
a very successful undertaking. We are at 4.5,
Which gave us the green light for this body to unanimously proceed with the undertaking of

1671
03:32:14,130 --> 03:32:14,130
transformation into a blue zone city. The fundraising is happening separate and apart from
Any government tax dollars.

1672
03:32:24,530 --> 03:32:24,530
no thank you. I'm sorry. Who was next? I believe it was commissioner fernandez and
Commissioner.

1673
03:32:29,410 --> 03:32:29,410
let me just understand. And by the way, commissioner,
I apologize because I referenced, you know,

1674
03:32:34,290 --> 03:32:37,530
and instead of using that as an example, I'll reference formula one. I have an item about formula one and ways that we can support formula one.

1675
03:32:43,290 --> 03:32:43,290
formula one. It most certainly is a private entity.

1676
03:32:49,410 --> 03:32:49,410
and, and and that's going to generate great economic impact for our city.

1677
03:32:55,010 --> 03:32:55,010
but let me just ask the ceo a question last year when the $15,000 were withheld.

1678
03:33:03,580 --> 03:33:03,580
what programing was suspended? Was there any programing suspended?

1679
03:33:07,740 --> 03:33:07,740
yeah. So the 15,000 was withheld from 2024. And then there was no grant given in 2025
Because this ordinance was passed in

1680
03:33:17,500 --> 03:33:17,500
2024. And what was suspended? I can speak to that generally.

1681
03:33:25,380 --> 03:33:25,380
that was before I came on. There was a brief suspension over summer of a couple of our
Public programs over the summer of

1682
03:33:35,060 --> 03:33:35,060
2024, or around that time frame, summer or fall.

1683
03:33:39,820 --> 03:33:39,820
and then there was kind of a as, I mean, as this commission requested,
Sort of a deep dive reflection and some changes in policies and practices were

1684
03:33:49,660 --> 03:33:49,660
made and programing was resumed. But when you say public programs,
When you say public programs were suspended,

1685
03:33:55,460 --> 03:33:55,460
explain to me. Yeah. What that means. Yeah. Gallery shows and the activations associated
With those gallery shows.

1686
03:34:02,350 --> 03:34:05,550
so, for example, the retail retail gallery's shows. Yeah. We don't we don't sell the work. But yes,
It's a nonprofit gallery. We don't sell the work. But yes, it's a,

1687
03:34:10,150 --> 03:34:12,790
it's a, it's retail as in. So activation. Yeah. Activation. Like we bring the artists in to talk about their work in the space we have.

1688
03:34:16,750 --> 03:34:19,150
we welcome an audience. And where does this happen. What's that. Where does this happen? At 924 lincoln road on lincoln road.

1689
03:34:22,910 --> 03:34:22,910
yeah. So, so so you bring in artists and you do activations where you bring people in to
Lincoln road to listen to these artists and,

1690
03:34:32,790 --> 03:34:32,790
and provide for arts and culture and that type of activity.

1691
03:34:37,310 --> 03:34:37,310
meet, meet the artists, talk to the artists,
See their artwork, tour their studio, see the artwork that's up in the gallery.

1692
03:34:42,710 --> 03:34:45,470
were you still able to do some of that stuff? Some of that stuff? Yes. You. Just not to the extent that you would had you had the grant.

1693
03:34:50,910 --> 03:34:50,910
correct. But I'd like to speak to that because I don't think you have the full context.

1694
03:34:57,840 --> 03:34:57,840
why did you do that? And from what I understand,
Was you had an artwork on miami beach that I have the full context.

1695
03:35:05,960 --> 03:35:05,960
I sponsored the resolution. I'd like to update the public.

1696
03:35:10,200 --> 03:35:10,200
yeah. You had a piece of artwork that showed from the river to the sea,
Which is the palestine will be free,

1697
03:35:18,400 --> 03:35:18,400
which calls for the genocide of of israel or the destruction of israel.

1698
03:35:23,320 --> 03:35:23,320
and let's let's put that into context. And that's why that resolution was passed.

1699
03:35:28,040 --> 03:35:28,040
so to say that because we're not going to give grant funding,
These these pop ups are not going to happen,

1700
03:35:34,960 --> 03:35:38,360
I think, for that particular period of time. And by the way,
You weren't there. I understand that the whole organization went through a change.

1701
03:35:41,600 --> 03:35:41,600
and I'm not even I'm not even as you can tell,
None of that wasn't even my presentation.

1702
03:35:47,360 --> 03:35:47,360
okay. One other thing I want to bring up is when commissioner fernandez,
You said that, you know,

1703
03:35:53,080 --> 03:35:53,080
we give art basel a million. We don't give art basel $1 million.

1704
03:35:57,330 --> 03:35:57,330
it's a fee. We help them. I didn't say we give them. We help them. Okay,
So I said, we we we we give and we don't.

1705
03:36:05,770 --> 03:36:05,770
yeah, we help through fee waivers. And now if they came to us and said,
Hey, we want some fee waivers for certain events,

1706
03:36:11,810 --> 03:36:11,810
I'd be like, okay, you know what? Fine. But to give cash,
Taxpayer cash to an entity where they clearly have no

1707
03:36:21,530 --> 03:36:21,530
financial hardships, okay. And this is not necessarily creating a program that we we
Desperately needed,

1708
03:36:30,570 --> 03:36:34,370
such as spring break. I have a big problem with that. And so, you know, look, I mean, we're unfortunately we've been fighting for like 45
Minutes over $30,000.

1709
03:36:41,610 --> 03:36:44,090
but again, it adds up over the course of years. I just think if we're, you know, we need to be honest with each other and say,
What are we going to fund taxpayer dollars with?

1710
03:36:51,810 --> 03:36:51,810
like I said, I'm okay with I'm okay with giving arts organizations grant funding.

1711
03:36:58,780 --> 03:36:58,780
but let's give it to organizations that actually need it,
That need that need the funding to get up and off the ground instead of someone

1712
03:37:08,780 --> 03:37:08,780
or an organization that clearly doesn't need it.

1713
03:37:12,980 --> 03:37:12,980
commissioner fernandez. Thank you. And by the way,
You know, when we talk about the semantics of fee,

1714
03:37:19,580 --> 03:37:19,580
a fee waivers, fee waivers, it might not be a cash contribution.

1715
03:37:23,620 --> 03:37:23,620
that's dollars that ultimately don't make their way to the taxpayers.

1716
03:37:28,140 --> 03:37:28,140
so, you know, whether whether it's a cash contribution or a fee waiver,
At the end of the day,

1717
03:37:34,980 --> 03:37:34,980
it's the same thing. It's it's dollars that are not going to be coming back to the
Public's domain.

1718
03:37:41,380 --> 03:37:41,380
to the to the taxpayers. I also want to highlight,
You know, I think the precedent that we set is very dangerous.

1719
03:37:49,380 --> 03:37:49,380
because I think, you know, the same that is being said with this entity that's before us
Could be said for so many other

1720
03:37:59,040 --> 03:37:59,040
valued and important organizations in our community that that receive funding from,
From the city.

1721
03:38:08,240 --> 03:38:11,160
and so that precedent, I think is also very important. And lastly, you know. We asked you to make a change,
And they made the most significant of

1722
03:38:20,760 --> 03:38:20,760
changes. We told them, we're going to pause your funding and we will reinstate your
Funding after after you address the

1723
03:38:30,680 --> 03:38:30,680
issues that led to the violation of of of the organization's policies that led to to to
The offensive artwork

1724
03:38:41,440 --> 03:38:41,440
that led and that then because of that, there was this change of the ceo,
There's been change of policies.

1725
03:38:47,720 --> 03:38:50,930
there's been systematic changes in the organization. And when we tell organizations, hey, listen,
We want you to work with us so that we can put in there the controls and the protections

1726
03:38:58,770 --> 03:38:58,770
that we need in place to make sure that your organization upholds the values that are
Important to our city,

1727
03:39:06,050 --> 03:39:06,050
that once you do that, we will reinstate your funding,
And then we come back and we say, you know what?

1728
03:39:11,770 --> 03:39:15,170
just kidding. We're not going to keep our word. We're not going to give you your funding back.

1729
03:39:18,410 --> 03:39:20,530
organizations won't work with us in the future. They'll tell us, hey, listen. Look what happened with with why am I going to do.

1730
03:39:26,050 --> 03:39:26,050
why am I going to change my ceo? Why am I going to make changes to my board?

1731
03:39:30,810 --> 03:39:34,210
why am I going to make changes to to my policies? If at the end of the day, the city of miami beach might not keep its word,
And due to my organization,

1732
03:39:41,410 --> 03:39:41,410
the same thing that you did to molate. And so I think it's important.

1733
03:39:46,610 --> 03:39:46,610
do I like the fact that that I'm finding out now that light has this big budget?

1734
03:39:52,940 --> 03:39:55,900
no, but I don't make those budget recommendations. Those are budget recommendations and funding recommendations made by the cultural arts
Council.

1735
03:40:01,940 --> 03:40:01,940
these these recommendations are made by the cultural arts council.

1736
03:40:06,220 --> 03:40:06,220
and if we want to go back and say, hey, listen,
We want to change the vetting criterias of how the cultural arts council administers their

1737
03:40:15,740 --> 03:40:15,740
grant programs. Well, then that's a separate conversation to be had so that there's parity
And fairness amongst all grant recipients and amongst all

1738
03:40:25,060 --> 03:40:25,060
organizations that that apply for, for for the public dollars.

1739
03:40:29,620 --> 03:40:29,620
but when we make a public commitment to an organization that we ask them to work with us
To fix problems in the organization,

1740
03:40:37,940 --> 03:40:37,940
and they come to the table and they work with us,
Then we have to keep our word at the end,

1741
03:40:42,740 --> 03:40:42,740
because then in the future, organizations will not work with us in the same way.

1742
03:40:48,470 --> 03:40:52,270
and that happened. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Were you commenting on. No. Because. Yeah, I was asking, did that actually happen?

1743
03:40:55,710 --> 03:40:58,910
I'm sorry. I didn't know I was going to be my backstory. So maybe we could. We can tag team here. Tag team.

1744
03:41:02,950 --> 03:41:02,950
go ahead. I think it might have been before your time on the commission.

1745
03:41:07,230 --> 03:41:07,230
I remember the incident well because I was involved by behind the scenes,
As were others.

1746
03:41:12,510 --> 03:41:16,430
and it was before your time, john. I'll give you make that clear to everyone. As well. But there was an unfortunate unfortunate piece of artwork that that was
Anti-semitic that went in a walgreens,

1747
03:41:25,190 --> 03:41:25,190
a storefront that violated there was certain controls that weren't in place.

1748
03:41:29,590 --> 03:41:29,590
it violated policy mr. Procedures. But and and it I think it it highlighted some issues
With the organization just

1749
03:41:39,230 --> 03:41:39,230
generally. But I guess the question for eric,
If I may, if I'm going to direct this to you,

1750
03:41:45,960 --> 03:41:45,960
was the changes that we sort of worked out and then held off on the funding contingent on
Them making all these changes,

1751
03:41:53,520 --> 03:41:53,520
or there were two separate things that we wanted to just see whether they would make
Certain changes before we would consider resuming the funding.

1752
03:42:03,040 --> 03:42:03,040
so I will read the resolution. It says, whereas the mayor and city commission would like
To suspend all current and future grant agreements with and distributions to light until

1753
03:42:12,960 --> 03:42:12,960
light hires a new executive director and provides the city a statement reflecting the
Internal controls to be established to prevent a recurrence of the incident

1754
03:42:22,760 --> 03:42:22,760
involved in the offensive artwork, and the administration is hereby directed to suspend
The grant agreement and all related funding disbursements between the city and light,

1755
03:42:32,920 --> 03:42:32,920
and pause the execution of all future grant agreements between the city and light until
Otherwise directed by the mayor and city commission to allow you to hire a

1756
03:42:42,770 --> 03:42:42,770
new executive director and enable the city commission to review and approve a statement of
Internal controls.

1757
03:42:50,170 --> 03:42:53,890
and those are the statements that are the statements of internal controls. Are on our agenda. That's correct. Those are the ones that we have with the agenda item at
Page 868 through 870 included

1758
03:43:03,850 --> 03:43:07,210
with our seven mr. Commissioner commissioner magazine. Can I ask maybe lisette or mr. City manager? Because,
John, I'm asking what was before your time?

1759
03:43:13,410 --> 03:43:13,410
how many years has eight received a grant funding before it was suspended?

1760
03:43:20,850 --> 03:43:23,570
it goes back. I don't have that information with me. But beyond 2013. And so what you brought up,
Commissioner fernandez, that that weighs on me heavily,

1761
03:43:32,810 --> 03:43:32,810
that we made a commitment that we should uphold.

1762
03:43:37,610 --> 03:43:37,610
but also and this isn't unique or specific to oolite whatsoever.

1763
03:43:42,380 --> 03:43:42,380
I think we have passed a resolution of somewhat saying this,
That our grants and our funding

1764
03:43:52,060 --> 03:43:52,060
can't just be evergreen, infinite for any organization,
Right?

1765
03:43:57,780 --> 03:43:57,780
I believe that is specific to special event sponsorship,
Not cultural arts funding.

1766
03:44:02,780 --> 03:44:02,780
right. But when I think about giving grants or economic development incentives,
It's not forever,

1767
03:44:08,860 --> 03:44:12,260
right? It's to help the company get established or the arts and culture. And if it's needs based, then yes, we can continue giving it.

1768
03:44:15,980 --> 03:44:15,980
but this obviously isn't needs based. So while that changes how I was thinking about this
For this year in particular,

1769
03:44:26,460 --> 03:44:26,460
to have any organization where we just give for decades when it's not needs based,
I don't think that's good policy.

1770
03:44:36,740 --> 03:44:36,740
so I guess maybe I'm foreshadowing my support going forward if it's not needs based.

1771
03:44:43,590 --> 03:44:43,590
I do want to honor a commitment and a promise that the city has seemingly made and not
Pulled the rug out on that,

1772
03:44:50,230 --> 03:44:50,230
but on a go forward basis. If it's not needs based,
I think, you know, taxpayer support just can't be this evergreen

1773
03:45:00,030 --> 03:45:00,030
promise that goes on forever. We need to use it to help get either a special event off the
Ground,

1774
03:45:07,030 --> 03:45:07,030
a new business into town and get them set up,
Or a cultural organization.

1775
03:45:11,950 --> 03:45:11,950
time to establish themselves like I did. Right.

1776
03:45:16,470 --> 03:45:16,470
you should say, wow, we actually did it. We got to a point where where we are
Self-sustaining.

1777
03:45:21,750 --> 03:45:21,750
miami beach, thank you so much for helping us get to this place that is no longer needed.

1778
03:45:27,350 --> 03:45:31,350
that's where I think we need to start directing our financial policy. So, I guess long winded way of saying I'm not going to pull out the rug on a promise that
Was made and you did your part

1779
03:45:41,320 --> 03:45:41,320
on your side. But for don't expect it'll just be this evergreen ongoing support for me.

1780
03:45:49,400 --> 03:45:49,400
and that's not specific to oolite. That's going to be for a multitude of things,
Whether it's special events or for profit,

1781
03:45:58,560 --> 03:45:58,560
not for profit companies. Taxpayer money is going to be finite and only needs based
Commissioner suarez.

1782
03:46:06,120 --> 03:46:09,120
look, I just want to make a final final point. Okay. I think it's important. Like what? Commissioner magazine said,
Given opportunity

1783
03:46:19,080 --> 03:46:19,080
for other cultural organizations to have an opportunity to to get their start.

1784
03:46:25,000 --> 03:46:25,000
oolite is at the penthouse. Push the push. Go.

1785
03:46:30,680 --> 03:46:30,680
go to the elevator and push one and send the elevator down for someone else because they
Need the help.

1786
03:46:36,820 --> 03:46:36,820
you guys don't need the help. I'd be much more happy with giving taxpayer money to an
Organization that is that that that

1787
03:46:46,340 --> 03:46:50,180
actually needs the help to, to get off the ground. I mean, let's be honest, you wouldn't have such a large endowment if it wasn't for miami
Beach,

1788
03:46:55,740 --> 03:46:55,740
right? Because you sold all your properties at the height of the market,
And that resulted in over $100 million in assets,

1789
03:47:04,620 --> 03:47:04,620
which if you were to do that today, it'd be like a fraction of that.

1790
03:47:09,260 --> 03:47:09,260
so look, again, colleagues, I'm simply saying let's give an opportunity to another
Cultural arts organization that could

1791
03:47:19,060 --> 03:47:19,060
actually use the money and, and, and, and benefit our community.

1792
03:47:25,460 --> 03:47:25,460
maybe it could be a cultural organization, you know,
That is you know, that primarily deals with children

1793
03:47:35,270 --> 03:47:35,270
of miami beach. I mean, there's a whole other litany of of things that we can do to,
To kick start a,

1794
03:47:42,030 --> 03:47:44,990
an organization that actually needs the money. So, you know, obviously, I'm not going to be supportive today.

1795
03:47:48,070 --> 03:47:51,630
I am fully supportive, fully supportive of that concept. And with this organization in particular, I will be supportive and adhere to that going
Forward.

1796
03:47:58,150 --> 03:47:58,150
I am very sensitive to we made a promise and and to that I forgot to mention,
Commissioner fernandez,

1797
03:48:04,190 --> 03:48:08,030
you just said that you had no idea about their finances up until today. And and I think that's a valid point because I think if you did,
You know, we wouldn't be having a discussion right now.

1798
03:48:14,550 --> 03:48:17,030
I think things would have been a little different. And when you do take into consideration how much the ceo is making and the next two
Employees and that 33% of their operating

1799
03:48:26,830 --> 03:48:26,830
budget goes to three people in the organization,
I think there is something to say that, you know,

1800
03:48:35,280 --> 03:48:35,280
when you look at the full picture, is the money to this organization the right best use of
Funds?

1801
03:48:41,920 --> 03:48:41,920
and if I may, mr. Mayor, you know, you bring up good points,
But I think cherry picking which organizations we apply that to is not the right.

1802
03:48:51,160 --> 03:48:54,760
it's not the right way of going about a very good and valid point. I respectfully this is on the agenda. I'm sorry.

1803
03:48:56,840 --> 03:48:56,840
I'm speaking. We love that line. It's good to laugh amongst colleagues,
Especially when you're sitting up here.

1804
03:49:08,280 --> 03:49:08,280
you know, I think it's important to get this very important concept that you're saying and
Making sure that it's applied evenly amongst all grantees.

1805
03:49:17,920 --> 03:49:17,920
for example, you look at the tourist development council at the county,
The tourist development council.

1806
03:49:23,640 --> 03:49:23,640
they don't let people to continue getting the the maximum amount every single year,
Every year it subtracts and it lowers and it lowers every,

1807
03:49:32,170 --> 03:49:32,170
every single year. You know, maybe we want to look at something like that so that
Organizations don't,

1808
03:49:38,570 --> 03:49:38,570
in perpetuity get this amount of funding. Maybe we want to look at what assets they own.

1809
03:49:43,890 --> 03:49:43,890
you know, what's you know, I don't know I don't know what type of statements we get from
Them.

1810
03:49:50,250 --> 03:49:50,250
so if we're going to do something where now,
We're going to start saying we're going to apply our grants differently and handle them

1811
03:49:56,090 --> 03:49:56,090
differently. Well, let's do it in a way that the rules apply evenly and fairly across the
Board with all applicants.

1812
03:50:05,730 --> 03:50:08,330
and I think that there's an avenue through which to discuss it. And maybe that's something that lisette can look into the grant criteria,
Because that's a separate conversation.

1813
03:50:16,050 --> 03:50:16,050
but this conversation on this item is closing the loop.

1814
03:50:20,370 --> 03:50:20,370
something extremely offensive and horrible happened that should have never happened.

1815
03:50:24,970 --> 03:50:24,970
and anti-semitic, occurrence due to the lack of certain controls and policies that weren't
Properly implemented,

1816
03:50:34,060 --> 03:50:34,060
and we asked this organization to take the most extreme and the strictest of measures to
Correct that before they could get more funding.

1817
03:50:43,540 --> 03:50:43,540
and now that they've corrected that, to tell them afterwards,
Hey, listen, you did what we asked you to do.

1818
03:50:49,820 --> 03:50:52,100
we're not going to follow through with our word. We're not going to give you your funding back.

1819
03:50:54,940 --> 03:50:54,940
I think that that would send a very horrible precedent when we might have to deal with the
Same thing with other organizations in the future.

1820
03:51:02,460 --> 03:51:05,980
and then will they trust our word? Would they trust our commitment? And that's why I think it's so important in a situation like this,
To follow through our commitment that we made,

1821
03:51:11,980 --> 03:51:11,980
while we look at the separate issue of the criteria for grantees and evening out that
Playing field so that everyone is treated equally.

1822
03:51:20,260 --> 03:51:20,260
commissioner bhatt. So you know, we all are very aware of the threats to our overall
Budget going forward?

1823
03:51:28,030 --> 03:51:28,030
and I think it is a very valid conversation to have about our grant making process for
This and for other things going

1824
03:51:37,870 --> 03:51:37,870
forward prospectively, and reevaluating the criteria and the guidelines and the
Timeframes.

1825
03:51:43,990 --> 03:51:43,990
and so I don't know if that's an administrative thing that happens or if that's something
That needs to be initiated legislatively,

1826
03:51:50,910 --> 03:51:50,910
if the latter. Commissioner fernandez, I'd be happy to co-prime with you on that
Initiative,

1827
03:51:56,590 --> 03:51:59,470
because I think it's a useful conversation to have. But I am not a fan of lucy pulling the football away from charlie brown every time,
Or changing the goalposts in the middle of the game.

1828
03:52:07,510 --> 03:52:07,510
so I would suggest, with all due respect, that we bifurcate the items.

1829
03:52:11,790 --> 03:52:11,790
we close the loop on this. We honor our word which matters as a city,
And we look forward with fresh eyes as

1830
03:52:21,510 --> 03:52:21,510
to how we want to use our funds going forward for maximum impact and have have that
Conversation,

1831
03:52:29,880 --> 03:52:33,640
which is very valid, but it's a separate conversation than this. So just to just to clarify, I think respectfully,
I wasn't on the commission at the time when this

1832
03:52:43,400 --> 03:52:46,200
resolution was passed. You were the co-sponsor. Really? When when was you were co-sponsor? September 17th,
2024, sponsored by vice mayor alex j.

1833
03:52:55,480 --> 03:52:59,280
fernandez. Co-sponsored by commissioner david suarez. It was resolution number 2024 33265. The issue that happened was in march april.

1834
03:53:07,960 --> 03:53:07,960
the only person who wasn't on the commission at the time was monica. Okay.

1835
03:53:14,160 --> 03:53:14,160
so it's funny, you a couple of people have referenced,
But you referenced commissioner suarez.

1836
03:53:19,680 --> 03:53:19,680
we spent a lot of time on a $30,000 item. But I actually look at the bigger picture.

1837
03:53:23,810 --> 03:53:27,210
I think it's an important discussion that's going to apply to a number of items. So I think it's a it's a healthy discussion that we're having. Not that long ago,
The this commission before the election,

1838
03:53:34,890 --> 03:53:37,890
the only changes. Congratulations. Commissioner mateo-
Salinas. But the six of us are now with our colleague.

1839
03:53:42,570 --> 03:53:42,570
we we were slashing our budget, right? We we reduced our tax millage for the first time
Since 2018.

1840
03:53:49,850 --> 03:53:49,850
all our homesteaded property owners just got a check for $500 first time in 20 years.

1841
03:53:54,970 --> 03:53:54,970
so we you welcome. So we're we're certainly we're looking with a with a fine tooth comb.

1842
03:54:01,490 --> 03:54:01,490
and I think the presentation is very good. It's I think I think all of us appreciate the
Work that went into it.

1843
03:54:09,250 --> 03:54:09,250
and we want to know that information. So it's it's healthy.

1844
03:54:14,050 --> 03:54:14,050
but I guess a question for you, commissioner,
Because commissioner fernandez kind of makes an argument.

1845
03:54:19,510 --> 03:54:19,510
I was, and I still might be. But I was with you actually.

1846
03:54:24,070 --> 03:54:27,350
but then I got and I think commissioner magazine is in the same boat. Like, I guess the question in my head is, did we make that commitment?

1847
03:54:30,870 --> 03:54:34,030
I'm trying to read this resolution and if we did,
I'd want to honor it. But is is that condition of their making the changes which by all measurables they have.

1848
03:54:40,230 --> 03:54:40,230
was that a was that a were we promising them to give them this grant if they did these
Things?

1849
03:54:46,870 --> 03:54:46,870
do you have I mean, what's I mean, mr. Mayor,
If I may, I mean, the resolution says the mayor and city commissioner would like to

1850
03:54:53,830 --> 03:54:57,190
suspend all current and future grant agreements. I'm sorry. Can you tell me exactly where you read page 862?

1851
03:55:00,870 --> 03:55:00,870
and whereas clause not the last, whereas clause the one before last,
The mayor and city commission would like to suspend all current and future grant

1852
03:55:09,430 --> 03:55:09,430
agreements with and distributions to oolite until oolite hires a new executive director
And provides the city a statement

1853
03:55:19,040 --> 03:55:19,040
reflecting the internal controls to be established to prevent a recurrence of the
Incidents involving the offensive artwork.

1854
03:55:25,960 --> 03:55:25,960
we would like to suspend our current and future suspend not revoke,
Suspend.

1855
03:55:32,360 --> 03:55:32,360
that was the commitment that we did until they hired a new executive director and provided
The internal controls that are provided in our agenda on page

1856
03:55:41,920 --> 03:55:41,920
868. And now that we've done that, it's time to remove the suspension and keep our word on
On what we committed

1857
03:55:51,920 --> 03:55:51,920
to. Otherwise, in the future it's going to happen with other things with,
You know, and the future might be an lgbtq thing that an organization

1858
03:56:02,480 --> 03:56:02,480
might do something that's offensive, and we ask them to correct it and take and take
Measures to correct it.

1859
03:56:09,560 --> 03:56:09,560
and why would they why would they listen to us and work with us and correcting it if
They're going to say,

1860
03:56:15,570 --> 03:56:15,570
well, listen, there's no guarantee you'll give us our money back the moment you suspend
It, or it might be on some other thing in the future.

1861
03:56:23,970 --> 03:56:23,970
I think so. To me, it's pretty clear. And the language,
What our intent was. Yeah.

1862
03:56:28,810 --> 03:56:28,810
and I think when, when we pass this resolution,
Like you said, the full scope of it, the,

1863
03:56:36,490 --> 03:56:40,170
the full scope of their finances wasn't really readily available to us. And I think their tax returns literally came out,
I think, around the same time.

1864
03:56:44,650 --> 03:56:44,650
and so, look, you know, I understand we we made a commitment,
However, with new information on,

1865
03:56:52,930 --> 03:56:52,930
on the financing of this organization. You know,
I think the, the idea has shifted to

1866
03:57:03,090 --> 03:57:03,090
say, like, look, do we really need to, to to help an organization that has,
Has over $100 million in cash or in assets?

1867
03:57:12,250 --> 03:57:12,250
and where a ceo makes over $300,000. Again, I just I understand we made a commitment to
This,

1868
03:57:20,380 --> 03:57:20,380
but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's still the right thing to do moving forward
With taxpayer dollars.

1869
03:57:27,100 --> 03:57:27,100
considering the fact that we now know what their finances are.

1870
03:57:31,700 --> 03:57:31,700
I'm sorry. You know, it's just that's that's just that's a philosophical decision,
I understand that.

1871
03:57:38,820 --> 03:57:38,820
now, look, if they were if they were struggling,
If they didn't obviously have the finances that they do now.

1872
03:57:47,500 --> 03:57:47,500
this wouldn't obviously wouldn't have been pulled from consent and we wouldn't be having
This hour long discussion on it.

1873
03:57:54,500 --> 03:57:54,500
okay. So I think that's where we fundamentally disagree.

1874
03:58:02,540 --> 03:58:02,540
right. I completely understand concede the point that,
Yes, we did make a commitment at the time.

1875
03:58:08,780 --> 03:58:08,780
I don't think any of us knew really the full scope of the finances in this situation.

1876
03:58:14,670 --> 03:58:14,670
I'm simply bringing into question the the. The organization's

1877
03:58:27,070 --> 03:58:27,070
financial capacity. And I don't disagree with you because I think something good will come
Out of that,

1878
03:58:32,710 --> 03:58:32,710
which is looking at all grantees and how and making sure that we do consider those
Financial capacities,

1879
03:58:38,910 --> 03:58:38,910
what what assets they have. What what what liquid assets they have in the bank.

1880
03:58:48,870 --> 03:58:48,870
right now we're not doing that or I don't know if we're doing that. We're doing that. No,
We do we do see that as part of their grant application process,

1881
03:58:55,510 --> 03:58:55,510
there are other organizations that are making that and above.

1882
03:59:00,390 --> 03:59:00,390
so it would impact other organizations. And so so that's where like the moment we
Establish this precedent and we say organizations of,

1883
03:59:09,600 --> 03:59:09,600
you know, having having this amount of funding or having this net worth that that now
We're going to start changing how we apply the

1884
03:59:19,440 --> 03:59:19,440
grants. That's a broader conversation. I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying.

1885
03:59:24,440 --> 03:59:24,440
you have raised some very, very good and relevant points.

1886
03:59:28,520 --> 03:59:28,520
but we didn't say in this resolution we would re-implement the grant based on your tax
Return.

1887
03:59:36,520 --> 03:59:39,400
it was we would, you know, because we didn't know. What's that? We didn't know. We didn't know. And I and that's why I think what you're what
You're saying should be part of a broader discussion where we should let lisette

1888
03:59:49,000 --> 03:59:49,000
and the city manager's team look at the requirements of these grants,
Especially in light of the potential changes in revenues that we may be

1889
03:59:58,760 --> 03:59:58,760
facing. You know, what reforms based on, on this presentation that you've made,
What reforms should we be making to the grant process?

1890
04:00:07,200 --> 04:00:07,200
but I think that that's independent of this item here right now.

1891
04:00:13,730 --> 04:00:16,610
and just a final thing on the resolution, eric. We're comfortable with the internal controls. That was part of can we can we can we have
An after the fact resolution to to do exactly that?

1892
04:00:25,930 --> 04:00:25,930
you know let's, let's let's have the administration set a criteria.

1893
04:00:31,170 --> 04:00:31,170
so I have an item in ferc and perhaps we can expand upon that,
Because right now it just centers on executive compensation,

1894
04:00:38,570 --> 04:00:38,570
but perhaps we can make it needs based for the entire organization.

1895
04:00:43,330 --> 04:00:43,330
and like I said, if it's one thing, if we're trying to entice somebody to get here,
But it can't be just evergreen infinite.

1896
04:00:53,010 --> 04:00:53,010
so we would expand upon that. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's a ferc,
Right.

1897
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if the organization ceo makes x amount of dollars.

1898
04:01:04,850 --> 04:01:08,580
right. Okay. We're going to call the vote. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner suarez. You've highlighted some very important issues. I think you
Got all of us thinking.

1899
04:01:14,700 --> 04:01:17,380
mr. Being hard. That's. Give me. Give me one second. And, commissioner fernandez, you kind of put us a little bit into a box by bringing up
This resolution that we had and quite,

1900
04:01:24,780 --> 04:01:24,780
quite honestly, we I mean, it's easy to say in hindsight,
We we were trying to we were trying to get an organization to,

1901
04:01:32,300 --> 04:01:32,300
to make some changes that would better themselves and our city,
Which actually has been accomplished.

1902
04:01:37,820 --> 04:01:37,820
so for that, for that end. But we did we did bind ourselves somewhat.

1903
04:01:44,140 --> 04:01:44,140
thank you, mr. Mayor. I just want to clarify that the fiscal year 27 cultural arts council
Grant application closed on february 20th.

1904
04:01:52,540 --> 04:01:52,540
so I just want to share that for awareness. So that means that all organizations have
Applied.

1905
04:02:00,900 --> 04:02:00,900
so any just to keep that in mind for any future legislation or policies that for fiscal
Year 27,

1906
04:02:07,310 --> 04:02:07,310
we have just closed the application process and cultural arts council will start reviewing
Them in april.

1907
04:02:14,190 --> 04:02:14,190
let's call the vote. I need a motion. Moved. Second.

1908
04:02:22,030 --> 04:02:22,030
I'll second a motion by commissioner fernandez,
Seconded by commissioner bhatt.

1909
04:02:26,270 --> 04:02:30,230
all in favor, please say aye. That's contingent upon expanding upon this legislation. This is the resolution plus direction, plus a referral to ferc.

1910
04:02:35,150 --> 04:02:35,150
but expanding the referral to having administration work with us to expand that.

1911
04:02:40,630 --> 04:02:43,990
so, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? No. So I have one. No. From commissioner suarez.

1912
04:02:47,350 --> 04:02:47,350
the item passes six one. That was r7i. It includes an expanded referral to ferc.

1913
04:02:54,750 --> 04:02:54,750
we actually have a review that we got to do now during our lunch break.

1914
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so it's a working lunch break, but let's reconvene at 130.

1915
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where are we? Where are we doing it? One. Thank you.

1916
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welcome back. We're a few minutes late. We had our annual review of our city managers.

1917
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that's what we were doing during the lunch break while we were having lunch.

1918
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but let's have our our before we start continuing with with our items.

1919
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so, please, anyone, welcome to speak. Thank you. Mayor. Anyone who wishes to speak, please approach the podium,
Please.

1920
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thank you. Go ahead. Sir. Good afternoon, all mayor,
Commissioners damien gallo here.

1921
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as all of you know, I'm the primary doctor. I've been a tenant for the city of miami beach
For the last

1922
04:03:52,970 --> 04:03:52,970
20 years. And I feel part of a big family of the miami beach family and

1923
04:04:02,980 --> 04:04:02,980
I went through many, many, many years of building department.

1924
04:04:08,700 --> 04:04:08,700
I pulled thousands of permits, licenses. I know the city very well,
And through the years I've been getting new

1925
04:04:18,380 --> 04:04:18,380
leases in my space, and this year they want to go for a betting.

1926
04:04:24,660 --> 04:04:24,660
after 20 years, without giving me the opportunity of negotiation or anything.

1927
04:04:29,060 --> 04:04:29,060
so they went through a process of vetting process and.

1928
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I did everything they asked for all the hoops. And today in the consent agenda see to be a that item was pulled out the bedding.

1929
04:04:49,380 --> 04:04:49,380
so no chance to talk to anybody or no chance for me to tell them how important it is to be
In the city,

1930
04:04:58,910 --> 04:04:58,910
have the space, and I help a lot of people in the community.

1931
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I do a lot of pro bono. 30% of my court appearances are for people of miami beach.

1932
04:05:11,230 --> 04:05:11,230
they cannot afford an attorney or come and talk to the judge or the special magistrate,
And I represent them for free because

1933
04:05:21,230 --> 04:05:21,230
I know that they need help. Some of them, they can get a permit and that's what they get
Paid for.

1934
04:05:27,350 --> 04:05:27,350
but I do it with goodwill. So I'm important person for the community and in the city.

1935
04:05:35,390 --> 04:05:35,390
and I feel bad. I feel bad and like the rug was pulled out of my feet after 20 years.

1936
04:05:43,230 --> 04:05:43,230
and. Yeah, just one more thing, please. This item was approved this morning.

1937
04:05:50,550 --> 04:05:50,550
somebody can just reconsider and pull this item out for discussion.

1938
04:05:54,870 --> 04:05:54,870
I would appreciate that, mr. Mayor. Madam vice mayor commissioner commissioner mateo-
Salinas.

1939
04:06:03,480 --> 04:06:07,040
commissioner fernandez. Oh, I'm sorry, commissioner fernandez. Thank you, mr. Manager, with this item. It's just we're just talking about the lease of
Space.

1940
04:06:12,760 --> 04:06:12,760
but. But the permit doctor can still lease space in the city and still do work with the
City.

1941
04:06:17,400 --> 04:06:17,400
absolutely. Okay, so this is not this barring him from doing work in the city.

1942
04:06:22,800 --> 04:06:22,800
so just, you know, you can continue the same services you've been providing to the
Residents or the businesses.

1943
04:06:28,720 --> 04:06:32,240
you can continue providing it, but the city needs this space. So this is my understanding. There are essential services at the city,
Which if not, we need to go lease space somewhere else.

1944
04:06:40,240 --> 04:06:40,240
correct? Correct. We would have to go lease office space somewhere else.

1945
04:06:44,360 --> 04:06:44,360
and obviously we have this space available. We've come to the end of the lease.

1946
04:06:49,360 --> 04:06:49,360
we issued a six month extension on the lease so that they could have a transition period,
And we will be using that space

1947
04:06:59,090 --> 04:06:59,090
for one of our city services. So yeah. So I mean,
You're you're you're still more than welcome to assist businesses in our community deal

1948
04:07:08,250 --> 04:07:08,250
with the building department. But the city is city's city real estate and the city needs
It for its departments.

1949
04:07:14,530 --> 04:07:14,530
I understand that, I understand about the type of services they provide is so unique.

1950
04:07:20,130 --> 04:07:20,130
there's no other company that provides the same service at this distance or the city hall
And so many years in business.

1951
04:07:28,290 --> 04:07:28,290
everybody, everybody knows the doctor. So they come to us directly to that location.

1952
04:07:34,650 --> 04:07:34,650
now, I don't know where we're going to go. It's a it's a very important location.

1953
04:07:40,730 --> 04:07:40,730
it's only 400ft². I don't know which other services the city can provide and such limited
Space.

1954
04:07:48,090 --> 04:07:48,090
that's why we can reconsider. Maybe we can talk to somebody and so far,
Not too many months ago,

1955
04:07:55,460 --> 04:07:55,460
actually. Weeks ago, we were under the impression that we were going for a vetting
Process,

1956
04:08:01,340 --> 04:08:01,340
and that stopped. That was was removed this morning at the agenda and and seemed to be
It's no it's not going to be betting it's

1957
04:08:10,980 --> 04:08:14,940
removed completely removed and was approving the consent agenda. If somebody can just reconsider that and give us the opportunity to see if our service is
More important than any other service that can be provided in those

1958
04:08:24,500 --> 04:08:24,500
400ft². Thank you sir. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak?

1959
04:08:34,660 --> 04:08:34,660
thank you. Good afternoon everybody. Sarah de los reyes,
As a resident of sunset harbor.

1960
04:08:40,900 --> 04:08:44,460
thank you, mayor, for the taxi. It's been very successful. And I just want to bring to attention that I wrote an email to colette,
Which she left the city.

1961
04:08:51,270 --> 04:08:51,270
and I gave it to lauren. You're going to, you know,
That they're going to do the new building for the marine patrol.

1962
04:08:57,870 --> 04:08:57,870
but the people staying out there in the sun and the rain,
And sometimes it's more than 50 or 60 people.

1963
04:09:04,590 --> 04:09:04,590
so I think that building needs to be looked to a design on that area,
To have an area that people will be waiting for your water taxi,

1964
04:09:13,310 --> 04:09:13,310
because I think it's going to be with time, it's going to be even more and more of the
Taxes coming in that area.

1965
04:09:19,510 --> 04:09:19,510
so I think that redesign or something to shelter them from the sun or or the rain would be
Really good.

1966
04:09:25,910 --> 04:09:25,910
they all stand in there for one hour. So thank you,
Sarah.

1967
04:09:30,990 --> 04:09:30,990
yeah, I was actually out there this week and we were looking at options of providing shade
And making it the most comfortable experience we can be.

1968
04:09:39,310 --> 04:09:39,310
and thank you for the pictures you sent from your. Yeah I sent yeah,
It's right for my terrace.

1969
04:09:44,070 --> 04:09:44,070
so I watch it I watch it all the time and I'm here to support the 7 7r7v.

1970
04:09:50,200 --> 04:09:53,960
the mooring field that. I'll be here to provide a speech for it. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Is there anyone else here who wishes to speak?

1971
04:10:03,000 --> 04:10:03,000
go ahead sir. Oh, there we go. Good afternoon mayor.

1972
04:10:08,280 --> 04:10:08,280
commissioners. My name is bruce horwitz, and many of you know I am the chairman of miami
Beach pride.

1973
04:10:15,520 --> 04:10:19,120
and I appreciate you letting me speak this afternoon. Miami beach pride is considered by many to be the best free,
Free underlying the word free annual event in the city of miami beach.

1974
04:10:27,880 --> 04:10:27,880
it attracts not only local residents from south florida,
But all over the united states and from countries all over the world.

1975
04:10:35,080 --> 04:10:35,080
international travelers go home telling their friends it was one of the best prides
Anywhere,

1976
04:10:39,640 --> 04:10:39,640
ever. Miami beach pride has that kind of reputation,
Which enhances the city of miami beach's reputation.

1977
04:10:47,300 --> 04:10:47,300
the city prides itself in being a city where everyone is welcome,
No matter the color of your skin,

1978
04:10:53,500 --> 04:10:57,260
your religion, where you come from, or who you love. Miami beach pride delivers that message directly.

1979
04:11:01,180 --> 04:11:01,180
so much so that the city has an excellent reputation among the lgbt+ community.

1980
04:11:07,980 --> 04:11:07,980
it is a safe event that over the years has had little to no incidents.

1981
04:11:12,980 --> 04:11:12,980
from what I've been told, the police sign up sheet is filled within hours.

1982
04:11:18,740 --> 04:11:22,580
is an economic driver filling up hotels, restaurants,
Stores. It creates jobs. It is estimated that it brings in over 5 million in revenue.

1983
04:11:27,580 --> 04:11:30,420
it has a great return on investment. My guess? The best one the city has. But most importantly,
It is great for the community.

1984
04:11:34,940 --> 04:11:34,940
it is free with world class entertainment, a fun parade which many of you have been in.

1985
04:11:42,580 --> 04:11:42,580
tremendous exposure to what? The city of miami beach has to offer.

1986
04:11:47,230 --> 04:11:47,230
I've been asked why we don't have it in a park or over in miami,
That we could save money by doing so.

1987
04:11:54,830 --> 04:11:54,830
the answer is very simple. Our pride, unlike many others throughout the world,
Is held on the sands of miami beach.

1988
04:12:03,990 --> 04:12:03,990
it doesn't get any better than that. Again, thank you,
Mayor and commissioners.

1989
04:12:09,550 --> 04:12:09,550
thank you bruce. I think probably just doing a scan of the dais up here.

1990
04:12:15,430 --> 04:12:15,430
I think we've all we've all been so testament to a great event that you have.

1991
04:12:20,630 --> 04:12:24,590
I'm sorry. Just doing a quick look at the dais. I think proudly I can say that we've all over the years participated in the event.

1992
04:12:29,070 --> 04:12:29,070
so just a testament to the great event that you have given you a compliment.

1993
04:12:33,390 --> 04:12:37,030
yes, yes. You said most of us have been in the parade. As I scan the the dais, I think all of us have.

1994
04:12:40,150 --> 04:12:40,150
I appreciate really I appreciate all of you. I've seen all of you out there.

1995
04:12:46,000 --> 04:12:46,000
and, you know, sometimes we have to wait a little while to get the parade going.

1996
04:12:50,320 --> 04:12:50,320
but I love it. And, you know, it's a really good message that we're sending to see the
Police officers out there marching in the parade.

1997
04:12:58,360 --> 04:12:58,360
the fire department. I mean, it's just it's just a great moment for the city to really
Come together.

1998
04:13:04,800 --> 04:13:04,800
and not only, you know, just the locals here,
But people from miami.

1999
04:13:09,200 --> 04:13:09,200
and they get out on that sand during the festival and they say,
Gosh, you know, we have to come back next weekend and go lay out in the sand,

2000
04:13:16,360 --> 04:13:20,080
go to the bars, go to the restaurants. I mean,
The restaurants are all filled. So, I mean, I just hope you guys really think about that when when you're voting later
Today.

2001
04:13:25,280 --> 04:13:25,280
so thank you. Thank you. Good afternoon. Commissioners.

2002
04:13:32,480 --> 04:13:36,120
mayor. Distinguished guests. My name is christoph babka. I am a resident of miami beach in beautiful belle isle and a proud,
A very proud member of our lgbt community.

2003
04:13:45,290 --> 04:13:45,290
I did prepare a speech today, so you'll hear lots of talk about the economic benefits of
Miami beach pride to the city,

2004
04:13:53,890 --> 04:13:53,890
its increasing tourism, deepening personal ties to our residents,
And driving local business activity.

2005
04:14:00,490 --> 04:14:04,410
but I want to speak today about the personal impact of pride. What started over 50 years ago as a protest has evolved into a celebration of diversity.

2006
04:14:11,170 --> 04:14:11,170
oh wait, we actually we can't use that word diversity.

2007
04:14:15,330 --> 04:14:15,330
let me okay. Celebration of community where marginalized people shoot.

2008
04:14:22,810 --> 04:14:26,450
we can't use the word marginalized. That's a red flag. Where everyone everyone is welcome to join together in the spirit of love and progress.

2009
04:14:32,850 --> 04:14:36,010
you know, we can't use the word progress. Shoot. Love and togetherness. Now, this is just an example of how we are walking on eggshells and
Kowtowing to bullies who are leveraging their power to

2010
04:14:45,540 --> 04:14:45,540
suppress our community. Defunding pride falls perfectly in line with ripping out our
Beautiful rainbow crosswalks and ocean drive,

2011
04:14:54,460 --> 04:14:54,460
and tearing our pride flag from stonewall. Defunding pride is an act of censorship.

2012
04:15:01,820 --> 04:15:01,820
honoring and celebrating pride means many beach stands for all of our residents.

2013
04:15:07,100 --> 04:15:07,100
embracing pride will increase our pride in miami and set an example for the rest of the
Country.

2014
04:15:15,180 --> 04:15:15,180
I'll leave you with a question what is the opposite of pride?

2015
04:15:20,300 --> 04:15:20,300
it is shame. And even considering defunding pride is shameful.

2016
04:15:26,100 --> 04:15:26,100
thank you. Thank you. Anyone else in the audience?

2017
04:15:33,540 --> 04:15:33,540
hello? Hello, this is joel steadman. I'm the owner of twist nightclub here on miami beach.

2018
04:15:39,150 --> 04:15:39,150
I've lived on miami beach for over 30 years. I'm I was a long time board member of miami
Beach gay pride.

2019
04:15:47,150 --> 04:15:47,150
I was chair of miami beach pride. Pride is very dear to my heart because I was part of the
Group that started it way back in 2009 with matty,

2020
04:15:55,510 --> 04:15:55,510
with matty bauer, mayor matti bower and several people in this room.

2021
04:16:00,150 --> 04:16:00,150
the event has grown to be an enormous event,
Enormously successful.

2022
04:16:05,230 --> 04:16:05,230
we have people like bruce coming from around the world.

2023
04:16:09,430 --> 04:16:09,430
we live in a challenging time now where our state government and others,
And maybe some people in this room

2024
04:16:20,110 --> 04:16:20,110
do not want cities like miami beach to support events like pride.

2025
04:16:27,990 --> 04:16:27,990
how can that really be? Being a chair of this event,
I understand how hard it is to raise money.

2026
04:16:35,640 --> 04:16:35,640
how hard it is to keep something of this magnitude free for everybody.

2027
04:16:42,360 --> 04:16:42,360
please reconsider your vote or consider your vote in support of miami beach pride.

2028
04:16:50,680 --> 04:16:50,680
you know, the state has done virtually everything it can to deter tourists,
Especially to this area.

2029
04:17:00,080 --> 04:17:02,640
international tourists don't want to come here. Tourists don't want to come here from this country.

2030
04:17:06,040 --> 04:17:09,880
our gay tourists don't want to come here anymore. They've ripped out our gay crosswalks. They've sued drag brunch restaurants,
And now they want to go after

2031
04:17:19,880 --> 04:17:19,880
pride. Let me ask you here today. When and where does this

2032
04:17:29,760 --> 04:17:29,760
hate end? So thank you. Anyone else?

2033
04:17:46,370 --> 04:17:46,370
good afternoon, mayor commissioners and other members.

2034
04:17:53,050 --> 04:17:53,050
I'm here today as a resident of miami beach. I'm not here as the miami dade county lgbtqia
Director.

2035
04:18:00,850 --> 04:18:00,850
I'm here as a resident, a resident who is proud of the city.

2036
04:18:08,570 --> 04:18:08,570
that he lives in. A resident who has been participating in pride since 2009.

2037
04:18:18,130 --> 04:18:18,130
and this is a no brainer. It's a no brainer,
Mayor.

2038
04:18:24,930 --> 04:18:24,930
but as a resident, I really want to speak to you on a human side.

2039
04:18:35,020 --> 04:18:35,020
at this moment when lgbtq people, especially trans and queer youth,
Are facing increased hostility and violence,

2040
04:18:45,860 --> 04:18:45,860
pride is more than a festivity or a festival.

2041
04:18:50,580 --> 04:18:50,580
it is visibility. It is safety in numbers and it is a statement that the city stands with
Us.

2042
04:19:02,260 --> 04:19:02,260
interestingly enough, when you run for office,
You want our money and you want our support,

2043
04:19:07,060 --> 04:19:07,060
but when you get up there, then you don't want it or you don't need it.

2044
04:19:12,900 --> 04:19:12,900
we're coming to claim our our money and we're coming to claim our territory.

2045
04:19:18,180 --> 04:19:21,460
we deserve to be here and we deserve to be heard. And we deserve to celebrate together. Thank you so much.

2046
04:19:28,100 --> 04:19:28,100
thank you. Anyone else? Go ahead. My name is ward

2047
04:19:38,000 --> 04:19:38,000
auerbach. I love this city. I love its parks.

2048
04:19:46,680 --> 04:19:46,680
the things we do. The water taxi. We are so smart and so good.

2049
04:19:59,040 --> 04:20:02,560
I've been an activist in the gay community for a long time. I was at stonewall. I came out on 21st street beach when my brother was in

2050
04:20:12,560 --> 04:20:12,560
miami beach. Miami herald correspondent for the beach with his great friend,
Rocky pomerantz.

2051
04:20:20,800 --> 04:20:20,800
you guys don't even know who rocky pomerantz is anymore.

2052
04:20:26,400 --> 04:20:26,400
this is just ridiculous that this fabulous city is dicking around with pride.

2053
04:20:35,690 --> 04:20:35,690
with miami beach pride. I don't know what to say.

2054
04:20:41,290 --> 04:20:41,290
it's just so uncharacteristic of who we are,
Who we are.

2055
04:20:50,650 --> 04:20:54,410
I don't know how much money is involved. I can't imagine it's very much. But this is not a dent in the budget. Let's come up and be good,
Guys.

2056
04:21:02,610 --> 04:21:02,610
thank you, thank you. Anyone else? Hello commissioners,
Mayors

2057
04:21:12,450 --> 04:21:14,770
et al. Thank you for your time today. My name is a.j. Prescott and I am the general manager of palace bar and restaurant on 1052 ocean drive.

2058
04:21:20,170 --> 04:21:20,170
we just celebrated 38 years on ocean drive, nearly four decades contributing to the
Economic fabric of miami beach.

2059
04:21:27,220 --> 04:21:27,220
I'm here to speak about miami beach pride, not just as a celebration,
But also as an economic engine for our business.

2060
04:21:34,020 --> 04:21:34,020
pride week generates nearly 100% increase in revenue compared to an average week.

2061
04:21:40,260 --> 04:21:44,020
it is the single most impactful week of the year for us. That impact extends citywide. Hotels operate at peak occupancy,
Restaurants are at capacity.

2062
04:21:50,020 --> 04:21:53,180
retail transportation vendors. Everyone feels it. It drives sales tax revenue and provides more hours,
Overtime and tip income for thousands of hospitality workers,

2063
04:22:01,340 --> 04:22:01,340
where we alone have 172 associates that work with us.

2064
04:22:05,900 --> 04:22:05,900
importantly, pride pride draws international visitors and local residents who don't
Typically go out it.

2065
04:22:12,940 --> 04:22:15,620
it reactivates spending within our own community. These are real dollars circulating locally. This year's theme for pride is infinity
Representing representing continuity,

2066
04:22:23,630 --> 04:22:23,630
unity and forward movement. And at palace we've embraced it with an with an alternative,
With an additional message.

2067
04:22:29,910 --> 04:22:29,910
love is limitless a city. That message reflects miami beach itself a city known globally
For inclusivity and forward movement.

2068
04:22:38,430 --> 04:22:38,430
I've also was a resident at 1125 ninth street for almost 15 years.

2069
04:22:43,710 --> 04:22:47,230
supporting pride is not symbolic. It is fiscally responsible. It produces measurable economic return and reinforces the brand that keeps miami beach
Competitive year round.

2070
04:22:53,750 --> 04:22:53,750
pride is not a niche in a. It is a citywide economic catalyst and a place for everybody.

2071
04:22:59,670 --> 04:22:59,670
thank you. Thank you. Seeing no one else, I'm going to go to zoom.

2072
04:23:06,510 --> 04:23:06,510
our first zoom caller is lisa napolitano. Please go ahead.

2073
04:23:13,110 --> 04:23:13,110
yes. Good afternoon everyone. I'm calling in opposition to item c seven regarding the
Management of seagrape trees on the

2074
04:23:22,920 --> 04:23:22,920
pretext of public safety. Trees do not cause crime and the removal of trees does not
Prevent crime.

2075
04:23:31,120 --> 04:23:31,120
two grape trees are native keystone species and play a vital role in our island's
Ecosystem.

2076
04:23:38,080 --> 04:23:41,040
for that reason, they are federally protected. Not only beautiful, there are frontline defenders against coastal erosion and protect
Against surges and hurricanes.

2077
04:23:49,680 --> 04:23:49,680
they protect nesting sea turtles from artificial light that interferes with their ability
To navigate the ocean.

2078
04:23:57,000 --> 04:23:57,000
there are wildlife habitat and food source for native birds.

2079
04:24:01,280 --> 04:24:01,280
their dense foliage provides shelter and nesting sites for birds,
Lizards, small mammals,

2080
04:24:07,000 --> 04:24:07,000
and even tortoises. If public camping is the concern that this item purports to address,
Have the police enforce the

2081
04:24:17,000 --> 04:24:17,000
existing law that prohibits it. That is the common sense solution,
Not tree removal in major disruption to our island's

2082
04:24:26,170 --> 04:24:26,170
ecosystem. Thank you very much. Our next caller is patrick.

2083
04:24:37,850 --> 04:24:37,850
hello, my name is patrick. I live at 1754 meridian avenue,
Right across from pride park, and I'm calling to ask your support for item.

2084
04:24:46,730 --> 04:24:46,730
I think it's c7 for the city to continue to support miami beach pride,
And for the mayor to call the item today.

2085
04:24:53,370 --> 04:24:53,370
since the festival is around the corner, we want to make sure that this gets addressed
Timely because the city can't the festival can't go on without the city support.

2086
04:25:02,530 --> 04:25:06,290
I've been attending miami beach pride since before I even moved to the beach. It's always been a great example of a city supported event that is free for residents and
Brings in visitors from around the country,

2087
04:25:12,770 --> 04:25:12,770
even the world. I was looking at the last pride report that showed 75% of the tourists
Coming to our city for pride or staying in our hotels.

2088
04:25:20,940 --> 04:25:20,940
and basically all the attendees are spending money at our local establishments.

2089
04:25:25,380 --> 04:25:25,380
it's a positive community event that's not only fun fun for residents and tourists,
But it also brings money back into the community and is money well spent from the city.

2090
04:25:34,180 --> 04:25:34,180
thank you. Thank you. Our next caller is dave griesser.

2091
04:25:43,660 --> 04:25:43,660
hello, everybody. I'm david greene. I live at 1754 meridian avenue.

2092
04:25:48,780 --> 04:25:48,780
I'm calling in support of c7-l1 funding for pride.

2093
04:25:53,660 --> 04:25:53,660
when I moved to miami beach in 2017 with my partner,
It was because it was an queer friendly,

2094
04:26:03,100 --> 04:26:03,100
inclusive city. And pride was a big part of of drawing us here and giving the city that
Incredible brand that we,

2095
04:26:12,860 --> 04:26:12,860
we still have today, despite some of the complexities that have happened in the last in
The last few years in florida.

2096
04:26:18,990 --> 04:26:18,990
I think it's an incredible investment in our community to continue to sponsor pride,
The return on investment that this sponsorship provides to the city

2097
04:26:28,870 --> 04:26:28,870
from a pure financial benefit probably actually just justifies the city increasing its
Investment.

2098
04:26:36,310 --> 04:26:36,310
over what the, the the proposed amount is, but I'll leave that discussion to to you all.

2099
04:26:43,950 --> 04:26:47,150
but it's an incredible financial investment in our city and our tourism. But more than that, it's an investment in our community.

2100
04:26:50,870 --> 04:26:50,870
welcoming welcoming tourists, welcoming our own residents that may not feel comfortable or
Safe.

2101
04:26:59,350 --> 04:26:59,350
it has been a difficult few years, and I think that our pride is more important than ever.

2102
04:27:03,950 --> 04:27:03,950
and I just want to thank you all for your support.

2103
04:27:08,030 --> 04:27:08,030
thank you so much. Next caller is miles davis.

2104
04:27:16,610 --> 04:27:19,570
good afternoon, mayor and commissioners. My name is miles davis. I serve as director of advocacy and communications at save,
Which is one of florida's longest serving organizations dedicated to protecting people who

2105
04:27:27,290 --> 04:27:27,290
are lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer from discrimination.

2106
04:27:32,810 --> 04:27:32,810
florida that we've seen goals in the state legislature has been to ensure that folks get
Erased.

2107
04:27:40,650 --> 04:27:40,650
but we're here, and like many folks in the room and on zoom,
Are hearing strong, respectful support of continuing the city sponsorship of the miami

2108
04:27:49,250 --> 04:27:49,250
beach pride festival. We know that miami beach pride is not only a cultural institution,
It is one of the largest annual events miami in miami-dade county and

2109
04:27:58,890 --> 04:27:58,890
draws more than 185,000 attendees. We also know that those attendees and visitors are
Booking hotel rooms.

2110
04:28:06,570 --> 04:28:06,570
they're dining and mom and pop restaurants. They're patronizing miami beach retailers and
Most importantly,

2111
04:28:14,340 --> 04:28:14,340
they're contributing meaningfully to the tourism driven economy that defines the city of
Miami beach in a community where hospitality is a primary industry.

2112
04:28:23,420 --> 04:28:27,060
we know that consistency and partnership and messaging matters. Major events that generate direct visitor spending also shape perception and pride
Reinforces miami beach's global brand as one

2113
04:28:36,700 --> 04:28:36,700
welcoming world a world class destination and a reputation that really supports repeat
Visitation.

2114
04:28:44,020 --> 04:28:44,020
right. Folks, coming time and time again. Long term investment and economic stability.

2115
04:28:49,980 --> 04:28:49,980
the resolution before you continues a long standing public private partnership,
Which we have seen successfully produced the event for more than a decade and coordination

2116
04:28:59,060 --> 04:28:59,060
with various city departments and most importantly,
Public safety.

2117
04:29:03,620 --> 04:29:03,620
we believe that maintaining partnership reflects stability,
Professionalism and sound economic policy for miami beach moving forward.

2118
04:29:11,350 --> 04:29:11,350
we know it's about supporting local businesses,
Sustaining jobs, protecting that our city's global reputation,

2119
04:29:18,070 --> 04:29:18,070
and reinforcing miami beach's role as leader in south florida's visitor economy.

2120
04:29:22,550 --> 04:29:26,030
I respectfully urge you to restore the sponsorship. Thank you. Our next caller is steven. Steven,
Please unmute yourself.

2121
04:29:35,670 --> 04:29:38,950
hey. Yes. Hey. How are you? My name is steve tiemeyer. Lifetime miami beach worker. Went to school there.

2122
04:29:42,430 --> 04:29:42,430
everything. And I first like to address item c7.

2123
04:29:47,230 --> 04:29:47,230
l about defunding pride, and I can't as a straight member of this community,
I can't speak to how much of a catastrophic mistake this will be.

2124
04:29:56,510 --> 04:29:56,510
there is no argument, economically speaking,
To support defunding it in any way.

2125
04:30:02,430 --> 04:30:02,430
and it's only a game for anybody. The only reason people would want to get rid of this is
To make the area less inclusive,

2126
04:30:11,360 --> 04:30:14,280
change the reputation of miami beach and it's disgusting. I can't believe we're even having this conversation. But setting that aside,
I'd like to talk about c7.

2127
04:30:22,040 --> 04:30:22,040
about cutting the seagrape trees on the the whole area between first and 87th street,
Which is what I understand.

2128
04:30:28,840 --> 04:30:28,840
and I just want to make it clear that that is illegal in every way,
Shape and form.

2129
04:30:33,480 --> 04:30:33,480
florida law 370 .041 is what prohibits it. And actually,
Even being in possession of those cut trees constitutes a violation

2130
04:30:43,440 --> 04:30:43,440
of that law. And it bothers me that this even came to discussion because from what I
Understand,

2131
04:30:48,920 --> 04:30:52,680
the city has engaged contractors to cut them in the past. And if they paid people to commit a crime, supposedly without getting a permit from the
Fdep.

2132
04:31:00,560 --> 04:31:03,960
I, I don't know what you expect people to do with respect to fighting it. Do we fight it the same way we fight any crime? Do we call the police.

2133
04:31:06,850 --> 04:31:06,850
if we see people doing this and I, I just I find it ridiculous and I don't think there's
Any valid argument for it except for something nefarious.

2134
04:31:17,130 --> 04:31:17,130
and I just want to say that and that there are a lot of people in this city and on the
Mainland that absolutely will stand with these trees if they're threatened.

2135
04:31:29,170 --> 04:31:32,010
thank you so much. Our next caller is marina brannan. Mr. Mayor, before we move on, commissioner fernandez,
I just want the record to reflect that c7 l is to approve the sponsorship of miami

2136
04:31:41,890 --> 04:31:41,890
beach pride and the pride festival. The proposal is not to defund pride.

2137
04:31:47,290 --> 04:31:50,690
it. This is the discussion about about the funding. But it's not the item does not relate to defunding pride.

2138
04:31:53,930 --> 04:31:56,730
I just want to put that for clarity on the record. Thank you. Yeah. Some of this catching me off guard.

2139
04:31:58,970 --> 04:31:58,970
I'm perplexed because I thought we were. Well,
The item was pulled.

2140
04:32:05,220 --> 04:32:08,180
so I think that's why we have members of the public here. But the item does not relate to the funding. It's an item that I sponsored that we sponsor
Every year to approve sponsorship for miami beach pride.

2141
04:32:17,460 --> 04:32:17,460
thank you. Marina, go ahead please. Yes. If you can hear me.

2142
04:32:23,020 --> 04:32:23,020
so. Yes. Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is marina brannan,
A former and future north miami.

2143
04:32:31,140 --> 04:32:31,140
I'm sorry, a north beach resident and advocacy director at save south florida's largest
And longest serving lgbtq advocacy organization.

2144
04:32:40,500 --> 04:32:40,500
as a commissioner, fernandez said the item c7l was pulled from the consent agenda.

2145
04:32:49,820 --> 04:32:49,820
I do find that very troubling. Without the funding,
I worry that miami beach pride won't be free anymore or that it won't even happen at all.

2146
04:32:58,740 --> 04:32:58,740
city support is essential for this huge community event to exist.

2147
04:33:03,550 --> 04:33:03,550
so I'm asking, you know, of course, to please bring commissioner fernandez.

2148
04:33:09,910 --> 04:33:09,910
item back to the consent agenda and please approve it.

2149
04:33:14,630 --> 04:33:14,630
before I lived in north beach, my first real introduction to miami beach was miami beach
Pride.

2150
04:33:20,430 --> 04:33:20,430
in my teens and in my 20s, I've attended miami beach pride for many,
Many years, and I'm 30 years old now.

2151
04:33:27,710 --> 04:33:27,710
I've spent hundreds of dollars with local vendors and restaurants during miami beach pride
Events,

2152
04:33:32,750 --> 04:33:35,870
and thousands of others have done the same every year. Why would we take that away with this item? Miami beach would provide up to $250,000 and
Would waive fees for the park rental

2153
04:33:45,590 --> 04:33:45,590
itself. That is a drop in the bucket compared to how much the city benefits miami beach.

2154
04:33:51,430 --> 04:33:51,430
pride matters not only to me as an lgbtq person,
But to the small businesses and restaurants along ocean drive.

2155
04:33:58,470 --> 04:33:58,470
so please put this item c seven fell back on the consent agenda.

2156
04:34:04,760 --> 04:34:04,760
commissioners. And please vote in support of the city support of miami beach pride.

2157
04:34:09,160 --> 04:34:09,160
thank you. Thank you. Our next caller is juan sanchez.

2158
04:34:23,880 --> 04:34:27,840
mr. Sanchez, go ahead. Can you hear me? Yes. Now? Yeah. Hi. Good afternoon. I want to thank you for this opportunity.

2159
04:34:31,080 --> 04:34:31,080
I know we're mostly known for our festival and a parade,
But I just wanted to point out that we hold out ten events in the city of miami beach

2160
04:34:38,120 --> 04:34:38,120
within a two week. We use lincoln road, we use collins avenue,
We use restaurants, we use bars,

2161
04:34:42,960 --> 04:34:42,960
we use hotels. We are a premier event in the city of miami beach.

2162
04:34:47,800 --> 04:34:47,800
that's little to no calls to service to the fire department or the police department.

2163
04:34:51,880 --> 04:34:54,720
we have 4 billion hits to our marketing strategy. We are featured on cbs drive, people magazine.

2164
04:34:57,960 --> 04:34:57,960
travel out magazine listed us as one of the top five destinations in the country.

2165
04:35:03,530 --> 04:35:05,570
this is positive for the city of miami beach. I urge you, please, to put that c7 back on the agenda and pass it through today.

2166
04:35:10,570 --> 04:35:10,570
thank you. Thank you. Our next caller is brendan fairley.

2167
04:35:18,490 --> 04:35:18,490
hi. My name is brendan fairley. I live at 1944 north michigan avenue,
And I am a first year fellow with the new world symphony.

2168
04:35:25,890 --> 04:35:25,890
the orchestra was founded by maybe the most famous gay trailblazer in the classical world,

2169
04:35:30,970 --> 04:35:34,650
michael tilson thomas, many of whom I'm sure you met at some point. As many of you also probably know, his husband just died.

2170
04:35:37,650 --> 04:35:41,450
I think it's very, almost ironic that this is being talked about. You know, the miami beach was chosen for the orchestra to be here for so many reasons,
But one of them being an accepting,

2171
04:35:47,050 --> 04:35:47,050
tolerant area. There's lots of gay fellows. This is I've only been here for six months,
And I think it's just kind of atrocious that this is even being discussed.

2172
04:35:56,870 --> 04:35:56,870
so please support c7 l I want to be brought to the consent agenda and it needs to be
Approved asap.

2173
04:36:03,190 --> 04:36:03,190
thank you. Thank you. Our next caller is nielsen kazdin.

2174
04:36:12,910 --> 04:36:16,790
good, good. Good afternoon, mayor and commission. I'm calling on item c7. You the meridian avenue bike path.

2175
04:36:24,030 --> 04:36:24,030
and just a little history. When I was mayor,
We had done redid miami beach golf club, making it one of the finest

2176
04:36:33,990 --> 04:36:33,990
public golf courses in south florida. It's a major amenity for residents of miami beach.

2177
04:36:40,510 --> 04:36:40,510
some 200 have annual memberships, and hundreds more residents play there regularly.

2178
04:36:49,230 --> 04:36:49,230
in addition to that, it is a phenomenal amenity for our high end tourist economy as people
Like to come here to play golf.

2179
04:36:58,240 --> 04:36:58,240
the hotel guests and many important high end events that are booked and used that not
Everyone can join a private golf club,

2180
04:37:06,680 --> 04:37:06,680
or can afford to join a private golf club or get into one.

2181
04:37:10,800 --> 04:37:10,800
the city of miami eliminated its only public golf course to make it an a,
A development along with a

2182
04:37:20,760 --> 04:37:20,760
soccer stadium. Other cities like west palm have invested millions in their public golf
Courses as an amenity for residents,

2183
04:37:30,080 --> 04:37:30,080
particularly the new professional class of people who are moving into that community.

2184
04:37:35,760 --> 04:37:35,760
the impact of creating the bicycle paths, as currently designed on meridian avenue and on
Chase avenue

2185
04:37:46,120 --> 04:37:46,120
will seriously negatively impact the golf course and the experience of golfers and
Visitors.

2186
04:37:53,080 --> 04:37:53,080
I am not saying that there should not be some additional land set aside for bicycle paths,

2187
04:38:01,050 --> 04:38:01,050
but the territory that is being taken is too much and will impact the golf course
Negatively.

2188
04:38:06,610 --> 04:38:06,610
you can have traffic calming as people on meridian avenue have proposed,
And maybe 6 to 8 foot wide bicycle lanes,

2189
04:38:15,690 --> 04:38:15,690
similar to what you have on meridian avenue south of dade boulevard,
Without taking up so much territory.

2190
04:38:21,730 --> 04:38:21,730
in addition, another thing that this does is impact the property owners on meridian avenue
And on chase avenue.

2191
04:38:29,490 --> 04:38:29,490
people have invested millions of dollars in buying and building and refurbishing homes on,

2192
04:38:35,370 --> 04:38:35,370
on, on meridian avenue. And what they will get,
What they have now is a view of a beautiful golf course.

2193
04:38:41,610 --> 04:38:41,610
what they will get in exchange is a view of fences and trees and lose that golf course
View.

2194
04:38:45,810 --> 04:38:45,810
similarly, just to finish up on chase avenue,
There's a lush grove of trees along chase avenue.

2195
04:38:52,940 --> 04:38:52,940
I was responsible for the planting of that. When florida power and light put its large
Transmission lines there some 25 plus years ago.

2196
04:39:02,140 --> 04:39:02,140
that provides protection from the view of of the golf course and of the homes on chase
Avenue.

2197
04:39:10,020 --> 04:39:10,020
if we are to get rid of that landscaping, you'll also expose those transmission lines.

2198
04:39:16,180 --> 04:39:16,180
I'd be happy to discuss this at greater length with any of you on the commission.

2199
04:39:22,020 --> 04:39:22,020
I don't I think this is not a good idea. I think it is taking up too much territory.

2200
04:39:26,620 --> 04:39:26,620
it would be too damaging to a key recreational and tourist asset of our community.

2201
04:39:31,420 --> 04:39:31,420
I think there's a better way of doing it. Thank you. Mayor. Thank you.

2202
04:39:35,900 --> 04:39:35,900
our next caller is alex jimenez. Hi. Good afternoon,
Alex jimenez from

2203
04:39:45,620 --> 04:39:45,620
belle isle. I'm calling. I was calling about the sea grapes again.

2204
04:39:49,870 --> 04:39:49,870
but I heard about the pride item, and I think I think the city should waive all fees.

2205
04:39:57,710 --> 04:40:00,630
whatever's necessary for that event to happen. I know there's lots of events on the beach, and they get their permits and,
You know, all sorts of fees waived.

2206
04:40:06,670 --> 04:40:06,670
they should. They shouldn't have to pay any fees. That should always be the case. And if
They need cash because there's a shortfall or if they need a grant or if they're getting a

2207
04:40:15,670 --> 04:40:15,670
grant, I think that should continue given how much the city spends on so many other
Things.

2208
04:40:20,670 --> 04:40:23,630
which brings me to the grapes. The grapes, trees. They want to spend 200, some thousand dollars almost on cutting back all of these grape
Trees.

2209
04:40:29,790 --> 04:40:29,790
it should be treated like any development project requesting additional height.

2210
04:40:34,550 --> 04:40:34,550
the sea grape trees unfortunately don't have a neighborhood association.

2211
04:40:38,790 --> 04:40:38,790
they can't pay a neighborhood association to come to the commission and lobby for them.

2212
04:40:44,270 --> 04:40:44,270
so I'm doing it for them. And I think the sea grape trees should be left alone?

2213
04:40:48,640 --> 04:40:48,640
the shade is very nice and I don't think they should be cut down so that views could be
Improved or anything to that effect.

2214
04:40:56,280 --> 04:40:56,280
they should be like any development project. There should be public meetings about this.

2215
04:41:00,600 --> 04:41:04,600
they should take a year to discuss with the community. And we should see renderings of what they want to do to our beach walk before they touch
It.

2216
04:41:10,720 --> 04:41:10,720
and nobody should touch it unless there's public meetings,
Just like any development project.

2217
04:41:16,080 --> 04:41:16,080
and this is an irreplaceable beach walk. Much more valuable than than a hotel or a
Building going up in our city.

2218
04:41:23,560 --> 04:41:23,560
this is the most, probably the most valuable piece of real estate that we have. So we
Should treat it like a real estate project. And we should have public meetings before

2219
04:41:30,320 --> 04:41:30,320
anything is approved. Thank you. Our next caller is bruce beckman.

2220
04:41:39,000 --> 04:41:39,000
hi, everyone. Bruce beckman here, 1800 sunset harbor drive.

2221
04:41:43,240 --> 04:41:43,240
I came here 24 years ago, actually from a gay ski week.

2222
04:41:49,250 --> 04:41:49,250
friends that I met there that lived here in miami beach. And it's been a wonderful place
To feel safe.

2223
04:41:56,770 --> 04:41:56,770
this is causing a lot of unrest. Thank you, by the way. Joel steadman,
He's my neighbor right here in this building. For speaking on this.

2224
04:42:03,210 --> 04:42:03,210
the way to put this to rest, having pulled it from the agenda,
Is to call it up for discussion.

2225
04:42:08,610 --> 04:42:08,610
now, it should be your first item after the hour is over.

2226
04:42:14,490 --> 04:42:17,450
this is a wonderful, safe daytime event. Largely. Everyone has fun. It is exactly the sort of event that should be happening in south beach.

2227
04:42:22,730 --> 04:42:25,850
so please bring it onto the agenda immediately after. Thank you. Thank you. Our next caller is mitch novick.

2228
04:42:37,650 --> 04:42:37,650
mitch, just want to correct the record. Miami beach pride was the brainchild of the late
A.c.

2229
04:42:45,460 --> 04:42:45,460
weinstein. The idea was conceived during mayor mayor david mayor tenure.

2230
04:42:53,940 --> 04:42:53,940
a.c. Was mayor chief of staff as an openly straight member of the community.

2231
04:43:01,460 --> 04:43:01,460
I fully support the continuance of miami beach pride.

2232
04:43:06,620 --> 04:43:06,620
thank you. Thank you. Our next caller is vincent.

2233
04:43:11,060 --> 04:43:11,060
vincent. Hello. Commissioners and mayor. My name is vincent becknell.

2234
04:43:19,860 --> 04:43:19,860
I reside at 730 pennsylvania avenue and I'm calling regarding cl c-7 being pulled from the
Agenda 45 days before this event is about to

2235
04:43:29,340 --> 04:43:29,340
happen. You know, supporting the pride. Miami beach pride is an investment in our city's
Identity,

2236
04:43:36,340 --> 04:43:36,340
our city's economy, our city's reputation. You know,
It fills hotel rooms.

2237
04:43:41,920 --> 04:43:41,920
it brings people, it fills restaurants. It showcases our city as a world class
Destination.

2238
04:43:50,440 --> 04:43:50,440
you know, it brings immeasurable economic impact for local businesses and residents and
Failing to support miami beach pride.

2239
04:43:57,560 --> 04:43:57,560
you know, it risks diverting the substantial disposable income of this community,
Which is billions of dollars annually,

2240
04:44:05,120 --> 04:44:05,120
to other cities that actively welcome and invest in hosting these kinds of events.

2241
04:44:10,040 --> 04:44:10,040
so please put this item back on the agenda and let's move forward on it.

2242
04:44:14,920 --> 04:44:18,000
thank you. Thank you. Our next caller is daniel geraldo. Go ahead sir. Yes. Hi, daniel. Geraldo, first of all,
Thank you to mitch novak for putting that piece of history on the record

2243
04:44:28,000 --> 04:44:28,000
of who really started pride. As a gay man myself,
I've always been a little uncomfortable hearing a different history shared by some other

2244
04:44:37,360 --> 04:44:37,360
people. So good to have the history respected as far as our arts and culture
Organizations.

2245
04:44:44,210 --> 04:44:44,210
we need to stop this attack on arts groups, people and groups like light,
Who have been very successful now are

2246
04:44:54,170 --> 04:44:54,170
being targeted by a commissioner who's also targeted myself and my former employer as
Well.

2247
04:45:01,330 --> 04:45:01,330
miami beach, where I grew up, is a place that loves arts and culture and usually
Commissioners support it.

2248
04:45:09,210 --> 04:45:09,210
and they don't go on tirades and hijack meetings for hours over $30,000.

2249
04:45:18,050 --> 04:45:18,050
I want to personally apologize, as a taxpayer to the ceo of oolite,
Who had to sit through being interrogated by somebody who would not qualify at all to

2250
04:45:28,010 --> 04:45:28,010
run any of the city's cultural institutions. I will always have the back for arts and
Culture and for gay pride,

2251
04:45:36,490 --> 04:45:36,490
and especially when history is respected. Thank you all.

2252
04:45:41,380 --> 04:45:41,380
thank you. Our next and final caller is judith michael.

2253
04:45:52,060 --> 04:45:52,060
judith, please unmute yourself. Okay. 3345. Let me turn this off.

2254
04:46:01,900 --> 04:46:01,900
I'm sorry. The neighborhood associations are not paid to lobby anybody,
I believe that.

2255
04:46:13,900 --> 04:46:13,900
we're all volunteers and we're not lobbying to.

2256
04:46:18,340 --> 04:46:18,340
I was running for a seed cutting controversy a few years ago,
When in fact, there were some people,

2257
04:46:26,220 --> 04:46:26,220
quote, colonizing some homeless people. And to me at that time,
The issue is we'd have day programs for homeless people,

2258
04:46:35,620 --> 04:46:35,620
but I'm not sure that exists anymore. And I think it's a very strange and inappropriate
Solution to cut down the sea grape trees for people who have

2259
04:46:45,430 --> 04:46:45,430
nowhere to hang out. Three. I want to clarify about pride.

2260
04:46:49,790 --> 04:46:53,510
I thought alex fernandez stepped in and said no. As a matter of fact, pride was not being threatened.

2261
04:46:57,230 --> 04:46:57,230
so please, can you clarify that? That's all I have.

2262
04:47:01,670 --> 04:47:01,670
thank you so much. To clarify the item, the pride item to clarify the item is a
Sponsorship item.

2263
04:47:10,630 --> 04:47:10,630
the same sponsorship item we've been doing since the mid 2000.

2264
04:47:15,870 --> 04:47:15,870
it's not a defunding item. I just wanted to clarify that just for the benefit of the
Public.

2265
04:47:20,110 --> 04:47:20,110
I don't think any of my colleagues have ever proposed defunding pride.

2266
04:47:25,270 --> 04:47:25,270
in fact, actually, I was having a conversation with bruce actually with joe sanchez.

2267
04:47:32,230 --> 04:47:36,000
juan sanchez. And then juan had the conversation with. With you, dad. You know what? Really, one of the things that we need to highlight in our
Community.

2268
04:47:42,200 --> 04:47:42,200
it's not necessarily just the lgbtq community.

2269
04:47:46,360 --> 04:47:46,360
really, the focus needs to be on our allies,
Our allies who support us.

2270
04:47:52,320 --> 04:47:52,320
we've always had, well, not always, but since about 2006,
We've we've had an openly gay

2271
04:48:02,160 --> 04:48:05,240
member of the commission. At times we've had two. But it's taken leaders. It's taken leaders and allies.

2272
04:48:10,360 --> 04:48:10,360
david dermer, who was the mayor when ac weinstein was the chief of staff in the office of
The mayor and commission.

2273
04:48:16,440 --> 04:48:16,440
ac then continued to be the mayor of maddie with the office of mayor maddie bauer.

2274
04:48:20,920 --> 04:48:20,920
maddie bauer created the lgbtq advisory committee back in 2009.

2275
04:48:27,800 --> 04:48:27,800
and from there, the nonprofit for pride was created at the time was involved with it,
And thomas barker

2276
04:48:37,530 --> 04:48:37,530
and so many other people came together in this,
In this community effort.

2277
04:48:44,730 --> 04:48:47,450
but at the end of the day, it's because we had allies. Allies on the commission back then. And we continue to have those allies today.

2278
04:48:53,010 --> 04:48:53,010
and I'm only one vote on on the commission. And in the past,
We've had 1 or 2 openly gay votes on,

2279
04:48:58,570 --> 04:48:58,570
on the commission. But have we've been able to sustain year after year? Continued funding
For pride and so many other equality initiatives.

2280
04:49:06,010 --> 04:49:06,010
it's not because of me or any other openly gay member of the commission,
Because we have strong allies traditionally,

2281
04:49:13,130 --> 04:49:13,130
and continue to have strong allies here on this dais who who make that possible.

2282
04:49:18,170 --> 04:49:18,170
and so I just want to highlight that because we don't we can't do anything by ourselves.

2283
04:49:24,210 --> 04:49:24,210
it's it's always teamwork and and traditionally and usually it's always a unanimous
Teamwork when it comes to to issues like this.

2284
04:49:34,700 --> 04:49:34,700
mr. Mayor commissioner suarez. Are there still more callers?

2285
04:49:39,380 --> 04:49:42,020
okay. Should I call the item? We'll call the. C7. C7 is approved. Sponsorship of 2026 miami beach pride festival.

2286
04:49:49,900 --> 04:49:49,900
it was requested to be separated by commissioner suarez commissioner suarez.

2287
04:49:54,620 --> 04:49:54,620
thank you, mr. Mayor. And you know, look, I find it a little unfair for people to accuse
Me

2288
04:50:05,500 --> 04:50:05,500
of being hateful because I'm pulling an item on consent for a discussion.

2289
04:50:11,620 --> 04:50:11,620
in no way, shape or form am I against pride. In fact,
I've been to every single pride festival since I was elected,

2290
04:50:20,500 --> 04:50:20,500
even before I was elected. I'm the only commissioner with an openly gay aide.

2291
04:50:30,830 --> 04:50:30,830
when we have an item that we want to discuss or not discuss on consent,
It's going to pass

2292
04:50:41,310 --> 04:50:41,310
unanimously. And for this particular item, there is a large amount of money.

2293
04:50:47,870 --> 04:50:47,870
it's $250,000. And I understand this has been a recurring item for the last since the
Since the 2000.

2294
04:50:59,830 --> 04:50:59,830
I think considering two, two factors that we as a city have agreed to shrink

2295
04:51:09,790 --> 04:51:09,790
our budget by 5% for the year 27. And notwithstanding the fact that the state is also
Targeting,

2296
04:51:19,590 --> 04:51:19,590
let's be honest, they're targeting pride festival through other means.

2297
04:51:23,910 --> 04:51:23,910
I think it's worthy of a discussion to talk here today about both items and that's why I
Pulled it.

2298
04:51:30,880 --> 04:51:30,880
so I find it a little disheartening that there seems to be a call to action to the gay
Community,

2299
04:51:40,720 --> 04:51:40,720
that I am somehow being hateful by discussing this.

2300
04:51:45,320 --> 04:51:45,320
I think it's important for more conversation and more dialog of of of what our city
Represents,

2301
04:51:53,760 --> 04:51:53,760
how we're going to get there, how are we going to fund things,
And how are we going to withstand pressure from the state by trying to shut this program

2302
04:52:03,600 --> 04:52:03,600
down? Okay. Look. I think we have to have

2303
04:52:13,520 --> 04:52:13,520
an adult conversation. About what? How are we going to.

2304
04:52:21,320 --> 04:52:21,320
lower the budget and continue to give these grants to our cultural anchors and
Organizations.

2305
04:52:30,660 --> 04:52:30,660
we are asking our own city staff to cut 5% of their budget.

2306
04:52:37,580 --> 04:52:37,580
and it's it's not an easy thing to do. And so what I've realized is,
You know,

2307
04:52:47,740 --> 04:52:47,740
if we're if the city is going to commit to having a conversation about how can we lower
Taxes for residents,

2308
04:52:57,820 --> 04:52:57,820
it doesn't matter if it's gay pride or, or, or jewish film festival or any or that we just
Had an hour long discussion about

2309
04:53:08,580 --> 04:53:08,580
every dollar that gets spent, for whatever reason,
Should have an honest discussion about it.

2310
04:53:16,900 --> 04:53:16,900
like I said, I'm not anti-gay. I'm not anti arts,
Even though it seems that they're trying to paint me this way.

2311
04:53:24,230 --> 04:53:24,230
I want to have a real discussion about how are we going to continue to fund a quarter
Million dollars or $300,000 of of taxpayer money

2312
04:53:34,950 --> 04:53:34,950
moving forward, knowing that there is going to be pressure from our administration to
Lower the budget.

2313
04:53:43,710 --> 04:53:43,710
secondly, we found out a couple of weeks ago that the state is trying to cancel pride.

2314
04:53:51,950 --> 04:53:51,950
okay. Through other means. How are they going to do that?

2315
04:53:56,470 --> 04:53:56,470
they're going to say that if you have d-I sponsored events.

2316
04:54:05,430 --> 04:54:05,430
any elected official who sponsors that is going to get thrown out of office.

2317
04:54:12,870 --> 04:54:12,870
okay. I wanted to have a discussion today about that in front of the public.

2318
04:54:19,230 --> 04:54:19,230
and I think that's a merit, a discussion worth,
Merit.

2319
04:54:24,600 --> 04:54:24,600
so I want to dispel the rumors or the accusations that I am somehow hateful because I
Pulled an item on consent for

2320
04:54:34,480 --> 04:54:34,480
discussion. I think that's fair and and offensive to me personally.

2321
04:54:41,840 --> 04:54:41,840
considering that I have in no way, shape or form have ever been against the lgbtq
Community.

2322
04:54:51,560 --> 04:54:51,560
so, look, I mean, you know, colleagues, I think we have to really,
You know, let's let's have a conversation.

2323
04:55:01,560 --> 04:55:04,600
is this something that we're always going to fund? Is is are we going to ask all of the grant applicants from the city of miami beach to
Start sharing the cost

2324
04:55:14,480 --> 04:55:14,480
savings for our taxpayers, or is this something that it's forever and we just have to put
It in our budget so that it doesn't

2325
04:55:24,410 --> 04:55:24,410
have to come every year for a discussion. And secondly,
I'd also like to talk about if the state

2326
04:55:33,890 --> 04:55:33,890
does make it illegal to have pride, how are we going to incorporate that moving forward?

2327
04:55:42,010 --> 04:55:42,010
how are we going to say we're going to help this organization move forward without having
Been thrown out of office?

2328
04:55:51,530 --> 04:55:51,530
so look, I welcome everyone's comments. Commissioner fernandez,
I know your your aides have sent out a call to action to save and

2329
04:56:01,610 --> 04:56:01,610
and members of the lgbtq, lgbtq community. But,
You know, I think it's I,

2330
04:56:11,770 --> 04:56:11,770
I think it's a little unfair that this was sort of targeted and it made it seem like I'm
Sort of hateful to the community,

2331
04:56:20,420 --> 04:56:20,420
which is clearly not the case. I want to have just honest discussions about fiscal
Responsibility,

2332
04:56:26,780 --> 04:56:26,780
how we're going to pay for things and what happens when the state,
Because they're going to do it.

2333
04:56:31,380 --> 04:56:31,380
they're going to find a way to signal out the pride parade in florida and make it illegal.

2334
04:56:41,260 --> 04:56:41,260
so that's why I pulled the item. And I want to start this discussion.

2335
04:56:48,220 --> 04:56:50,900
sure. Mr. Mayor. Commissioner fernandez, thank you. And I just want to clarify actually, when my when my aide reached out to the lgbtq
Committee,

2336
04:56:59,980 --> 04:56:59,980
she is the volunteer liaison for the lgbtq committee.

2337
04:57:04,500 --> 04:57:04,500
your name was not mentioned on the email. And in fact we we we asked people to share your
Comments.

2338
04:57:13,620 --> 04:57:13,620
please remember to keep your remarks respectful,
Professional, and focused on the issue of the sponsorship.

2339
04:57:21,350 --> 04:57:21,350
and and, you know, I don't think, I don't think anyone addressed you as being hateful.

2340
04:57:29,550 --> 04:57:29,550
in fact, mr. Clark, did anyone mention my colleague's name?

2341
04:57:34,030 --> 04:57:34,030
I don't recall, but. Okay, so. So I just want the record to reflect that we are here to
Protect the dignity of everyone.

2342
04:57:42,910 --> 04:57:42,910
I do not tolerate my colleagues being attacked.

2343
04:57:48,710 --> 04:57:48,710
the message from my office to the committee that we voluntarily liaise for didn't mention
You by name and specifically asked

2344
04:57:58,150 --> 04:58:01,990
individuals to speak from a professional tone. So I just want to make sure that there's no misunderstanding or mischaracterization of of
The facts here.

2345
04:58:09,670 --> 04:58:09,670
because I certainly don't want you to think that. Is there anything that makes you think
That that otherwise commissioner. Yeah. I mean, I see a text message that says.

2346
04:58:16,840 --> 04:58:16,840
update commissioner suarez pulls city sponsorship of miami beach pride.

2347
04:58:21,680 --> 04:58:24,680
the festival draws more than 100. It goes on. Save is encouraging respectful comment at 1 p.m.

2348
04:58:27,240 --> 04:58:30,560
during. So it does mention my name in a text message that I'm seeing. Okay, well, I mean, I understand that, but there was nothing there saying to be
Disrespectful.

2349
04:58:35,760 --> 04:58:35,760
the email from my office to the members of the lgbtq committee who care about this issue
Did not mention did not mention your name

2350
04:58:45,840 --> 04:58:45,840
and and the message as the message that you just referenced there encourages people to be
Respectful and professional.

2351
04:58:53,360 --> 04:58:56,920
and I think that that's that, that that is very important. And listen, at the end, at the end of the day,
You know, pride pride represents for people,

2352
04:59:06,000 --> 04:59:06,000
you know, their, their, their, their ability to live freely.

2353
04:59:10,890 --> 04:59:10,890
live openly. It represents their dignity. It also represents a lot of economic impact to
Miami beach.

2354
04:59:18,130 --> 04:59:18,130
it's over 150,000 attendees that that, that come to,
To to miami beach, that come from around the country,

2355
04:59:26,970 --> 04:59:26,970
that come from different places around the world,
Argentina, spain, canada are some of the larger destinations from from which people come.

2356
04:59:37,010 --> 04:59:37,010
and about 75% of them, based on a study that I saw about 75% of out of town attendees you
Know,

2357
04:59:46,850 --> 04:59:46,850
are staying in our hotels, they're supporting our restaurants,
They're strengthening our local economy.

2358
04:59:53,610 --> 04:59:53,610
and, you know, pride can always happen. Pride can.

2359
04:59:57,850 --> 04:59:57,850
pride does the state can't can't prevent pride from happening.

2360
05:00:02,450 --> 05:00:02,450
they might be able to restrict in the future our ability as to funding.

2361
05:00:08,210 --> 05:00:08,210
but we're not there. We're not there. And I think pride is very much aware of the
Conversations that are happening in tallahassee.

2362
05:00:17,710 --> 05:00:17,710
and and, and what happens in the future, happens in the future.

2363
05:00:22,390 --> 05:00:24,590
and I think they know they need to address that. I think they know they need to look at their sponsorships,
Which, by the way, their sponsorships have been affected,

2364
05:00:30,110 --> 05:00:30,110
their sponsorships have been affected because corporate sponsors are fearing retaliation,
The same retaliation that the lgbtq

2365
05:00:39,750 --> 05:00:39,750
community is feeling. It's the same retaliation that our allies in the corporate sector
Who have helped sustain this event

2366
05:00:49,590 --> 05:00:49,590
over the years are feeling, and I don't know that they would be able this year to sustain
This parade,

2367
05:00:56,830 --> 05:00:56,830
this at this point, this long standing tradition in our city without the support of of our
City.

2368
05:01:03,510 --> 05:01:03,510
and we know that today the laws of our state allows us to continue in this tradition.

2369
05:01:09,400 --> 05:01:09,400
and if that were to change in the coming years,
They're certainly very well aware of those discussions,

2370
05:01:15,200 --> 05:01:15,200
and I'm sure that they'll, they'll pivot as,
As necessary in order to keep this tradition alive.

2371
05:01:22,800 --> 05:01:25,720
maybe in the future. It's not a week long festivity. Maybe in the future it evolves in some other way,
Depending on what the state does.

2372
05:01:30,320 --> 05:01:30,320
but we can't let the constant fear of the state stop us from doing what's right today.

2373
05:01:38,080 --> 05:01:41,080
and as I mentioned before, pride is here today. It's not because of me or any of my lgbtq colleagues or former colleagues,
Is when I started off by saying it is because of all of you,

2374
05:01:50,000 --> 05:01:50,000
the straight allies of of this dais, who over the years made pride happen and who over the
Years have sustained it from with

2375
05:01:59,720 --> 05:02:03,400
with funding. There were no personal comments directed at you. Commissioner. No one referenced your name publicly here today,
And everyone was encouraged to address the issue with respect and with professionalism.

2376
05:02:13,330 --> 05:02:16,570
thank you, mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor. Commissioner suarez. Thank you. And look, I'm not trying to play the victim,
Right?

2377
05:02:21,290 --> 05:02:21,290
I'm simply saying that. And I wanted the members of the public to know that me pulling an
Idea from discussion doesn't mean I'm hateful,

2378
05:02:28,970 --> 05:02:32,330
okay? Or doesn't mean I have hate. Or no one used the word hate. Commissioner. I believe the owner of twist said it was.

2379
05:02:37,050 --> 05:02:37,050
the fact that you're pulling it is hateful. The actions of our community is constantly
Facing hate like so many other communities.

2380
05:02:44,290 --> 05:02:44,290
it's like so many other communities. I'm sorry. This is deeply personal,
But yeah, people are facing hate.

2381
05:02:49,490 --> 05:02:49,490
I could I could face removal from office for supporting my community.

2382
05:02:53,890 --> 05:02:57,570
that's not hateful. And you can't see how that is hateful. You know, I know you do. I know you see how that's hateful.

2383
05:03:00,370 --> 05:03:00,370
and this isn't the only community that is facing that backlash of hate.

2384
05:03:04,980 --> 05:03:04,980
yes, there is a lot of hate, but I don't think anyone is suggesting that there's hate
Coming from from the states because I said it at the very beginning and I'll keep on

2385
05:03:12,740 --> 05:03:12,740
repeating it. Our strength is because of our allies,
Our straight allies.

2386
05:03:18,500 --> 05:03:18,500
and so I just don't want for this false narrative and this and for and the message to be
Manipulated and twisted because that's not what is happening.

2387
05:03:28,700 --> 05:03:28,700
so I'd like to get back on the discussion of of why I pulled it,
And which is partly for funding and the state and,

2388
05:03:38,860 --> 05:03:38,860
you know, I, I think, commissioner fernandez,
I mean, you and I see eye to eye on a lot of other cultural

2389
05:03:48,340 --> 05:03:48,340
organizations for. Enabling them to have a better sense of financial security.

2390
05:03:58,820 --> 05:03:58,820
so, for example, I don't know if this item has been called yet,
You had an item or it says a resolution of the mayor and city commission of the

2391
05:04:08,790 --> 05:04:08,790
city of miami beach, florida, recognizing the valuable contributions of cultural and
Nonprofit organizations to the community and encouraging these organizations to

2392
05:04:16,430 --> 05:04:16,430
proactively explore diverse funding opportunities in light of potential budgetary
Limitations for fiscal year 26 and beyond,

2393
05:04:25,310 --> 05:04:25,310
and further encouraging advanced planning to help mitigate possible reductions in city
Support,

2394
05:04:30,470 --> 05:04:30,470
and directing the city clerk to transmit a copy of this resolution to all cultural and
Nonprofit organizations that receive city grant funding for fiscal year 24 and 25.

2395
05:04:39,910 --> 05:04:39,910
so we're not that far apart. Okay. I think we can have I think we can put emotions aside
And we can have a real

2396
05:04:49,110 --> 05:04:49,110
conversation about how are we going to get our cultural anchors diversify in their in
Their financial support,

2397
05:04:58,350 --> 05:04:58,350
because it can't always come from the city government,
Because what I see happening is it's getting cut from the state,

2398
05:05:05,840 --> 05:05:05,840
it's getting cut from our county. And I don't want the miami beach taxpayers to always
Burden the cost of every program.

2399
05:05:15,880 --> 05:05:15,880
I think moving forward, we should have honest discussions about who qualifies for grant
Funding and who doesn't.

2400
05:05:23,840 --> 05:05:23,840
we've already had this discussion. It was an hour long before lunch and that's the reason
I pulled it up.

2401
05:05:32,040 --> 05:05:32,040
so look, you know, I think we're not that far apart.

2402
05:05:36,920 --> 05:05:36,920
I think encouraging nonprofits and organizations to diversify their,
Their

2403
05:05:47,160 --> 05:05:51,120
their finances as it relates to events on the city is a good thing. It makes them stronger. It makes us stronger.

2404
05:05:54,760 --> 05:05:54,760
and there's nothing wrong about having a discussion about that. So,
You know, because look,

2405
05:05:59,450 --> 05:05:59,450
there's going to come a time when, you know,
It may not even come from the state.

2406
05:06:03,730 --> 05:06:03,730
it may it may just be another a recession. And we're going to have to make serious budget
Cuts because our property tax values

2407
05:06:13,410 --> 05:06:13,410
plummet. That's notwithstanding the fact that the state of florida is already considering
Tax cuts or removing removing property taxes in

2408
05:06:23,210 --> 05:06:23,210
general, you know, then we're going to have to have a real unfortunate conversation about
How we're going to pay for everything.

2409
05:06:29,890 --> 05:06:29,890
but I want to start the conversation about how do we continue to fund not just this
Organization,

2410
05:06:37,370 --> 05:06:37,370
but every organization that we give city tax dollars to?

2411
05:06:43,050 --> 05:06:43,050
commissioner, I think I think that certainly is a great topic of a great item to be had,
Perhaps of the finance committee,

2412
05:06:49,010 --> 05:06:52,730
because I think it doesn't just apply selectively to one organization. I think it applies across the board, similar to the resolution that was on the agenda that
That had not been called up.

2413
05:06:59,980 --> 05:06:59,980
as as it relates to urging entities to seek diversity in funding because of the
Conversations that are being had on these days.

2414
05:07:08,140 --> 05:07:08,140
it is our responsibility to let our stakeholders know,
Hey, listen, these are the conversations being had on this dais because of our own fiscal

2415
05:07:15,860 --> 05:07:15,860
constraints or because of potential changes in state laws that could force us to tighten
Our belts.

2416
05:07:23,060 --> 05:07:23,060
it's only proper that we provide that heads up to the organizations so that they can plan
Accordingly and find alternate

2417
05:07:32,540 --> 05:07:32,540
funding sources. That's that's I'm sorry. That's that's that's only

2418
05:07:42,500 --> 05:07:42,500
reasonable. I think I think what you're mentioning is a great subject for for a separate
Agenda item.

2419
05:07:51,260 --> 05:07:51,260
but while the laws are what they are, we shouldn't be picking and choosing,
You know which ones we're going to apply.

2420
05:07:58,070 --> 05:07:58,070
now a different set of criteria, like what I was mentioning with the last item that we
Were saying,

2421
05:08:02,990 --> 05:08:02,990
okay, why this grantee and not any other other grantees.

2422
05:08:07,190 --> 05:08:07,190
you know, we need to look at a uniform review policy for grants and see what our
Administration recommends to us moving

2423
05:08:17,030 --> 05:08:17,030
forward into into the future. In the meantime,
You know, I think we should be supporting pride.

2424
05:08:23,990 --> 05:08:23,990
it is not only a cultural event and an event about about about the inclusivity of a
Community that hasn't always been

2425
05:08:34,150 --> 05:08:34,150
welcomed, that hasn't always been tolerated,
That hasn't always been included.

2426
05:08:40,670 --> 05:08:44,670
but it's also about the economic development of our city that attracts a lot of tourism. It helps a lot of businesses. In april, when traditionally traditionally,
March used to be the best month of the year for the businesses

2427
05:08:54,530 --> 05:08:54,530
in this part of the city, and as of late, the businesses have struggled during the month
Of march because of our policies.

2428
05:09:01,250 --> 05:09:01,250
and what they looked forward to was the economic impact that heads in beds,
That the hotels would get,

2429
05:09:08,330 --> 05:09:08,330
the activities that would be sponsored in the different venues,
The increase in reservations in the in the restaurants and all of that

2430
05:09:18,010 --> 05:09:21,730
has a ripple effect in the economy of our of our city. And the businesses depend on it. And so there's,
There's there's many reasons why we should do it.

2431
05:09:28,650 --> 05:09:32,250
it's the right thing to do. It's part of the identity of our city. It is the values of our taxpayers to support all groups that we have traditionally
Supported.

2432
05:09:40,090 --> 05:09:40,090
and, and, and I think if there are concerns about future funding,
Which we share you know,

2433
05:09:48,330 --> 05:09:48,330
the way to do that and the way to address it is through holistic policy,
Not piecemeal through individual grants that come before us.

2434
05:09:56,060 --> 05:09:56,060
and I want to I want to make it clear I'm not trying to be piecemeal. I mean,
That's why I pulled many items from the consent agenda that had to do with finances and

2435
05:10:04,980 --> 05:10:04,980
and city funding, which some of them don't have anything to do with cultural organizations
Or nonprofits.

2436
05:10:10,580 --> 05:10:10,580
so, look, I'm I'm going to be a fiscal hawk on the commission.

2437
05:10:16,020 --> 05:10:16,020
and I'm not targeting any one group or entity or groups of entities.

2438
05:10:22,220 --> 05:10:22,220
I'm going to just do what I was elected to do and be a good steward of our of our
Finances.

2439
05:10:29,340 --> 05:10:32,900
mr. Mayor commissioner dominguez and commissioner magazine. Thank you. I echo the sentiments that commissioner fernandez said the lgbtq community for
The last few years,

2440
05:10:40,980 --> 05:10:40,980
forever really has been under attack. And the hate that has been directed at them it is
Uncalled for and

2441
05:10:50,590 --> 05:10:50,590
unfair. And even in my campaign and several others,
We were attacked with misinformation about the trans community.

2442
05:10:59,790 --> 05:11:03,550
you know something that was really hateful and unnecessary. I'm an ally. I will always be an ally. The gay community has helped build miami beach into
What it is today.

2443
05:11:11,150 --> 05:11:11,150
the pride festival is beautiful. We don't get stampedes or shootings.

2444
05:11:16,670 --> 05:11:16,670
it's love. It's fun. It's economic impact. It's a very beautiful event.

2445
05:11:23,670 --> 05:11:25,790
if it hasn't been moved, I will move the item. If it has been moved, I will second the item because this is something that's very
Important to our city and to me.

2446
05:11:32,150 --> 05:11:32,150
commissioner magazine and commissioner mateo-
Salinas. Thank you for the discussion.

2447
05:11:37,350 --> 05:11:40,390
cutting to the chase, I'll be fully supportive of the item. You can actually add me as a co-sponsor. Ralph.

2448
05:11:43,150 --> 05:11:43,150
I do think that this is an incredible event and organization for miami beach.

2449
05:11:49,880 --> 05:11:49,880
in fact I think it was last year. I had such a good time at the parade and the event.

2450
05:11:55,480 --> 05:11:55,480
I was inspired. I go my goal for next year is going to be to be a little cleaner with my
Diet,

2451
05:12:00,480 --> 05:12:03,480
so I could be out there marching without my shirt on. If you see me as you see me eating a cookie,
I don't think I've achieved that.

2452
05:12:07,880 --> 05:12:10,680
but there's always goals for next year to be had. We got water balloons also that you're going to be competing in. But I will pivot to
Another topic.

2453
05:12:15,840 --> 05:12:15,840
I will say, you know, it could seem one way if you're following from afar but my colleague
Commissioner suarez is let's call him an equal opportunity

2454
05:12:25,880 --> 05:12:25,880
offender. Right. This isn't anything that's specific or targeted.

2455
05:12:31,320 --> 05:12:31,320
I had an item a few months ago that was an economic development incentive for,
Let's just say,

2456
05:12:37,760 --> 05:12:37,760
anything but gay men. It was for a company that promotes beautiful women.

2457
05:12:42,800 --> 05:12:42,800
and he was not in favor of that, as well as he from when he entered the dais,
Has been very

2458
05:12:52,050 --> 05:12:52,050
conservative on our fiscal taxpayer finances.

2459
05:12:58,330 --> 05:12:58,330
and you know, we've we've had a friendship for a number of years.

2460
05:13:04,890 --> 05:13:08,450
politics can certainly take its strain up and down. And while you never know what's in somebody's heart,
I can say we've had some pretty open and frank discussions over the years.

2461
05:13:14,930 --> 05:13:14,930
and while chairs have been close to be thrown and things like that for difference of views
There's nothing hateful that I've ever heard come out of his heart,

2462
05:13:24,530 --> 05:13:24,530
so but circling back to the beginning, I'm going to be very supportive of this.

2463
05:13:29,330 --> 05:13:29,330
and thank you for commissioner fernandez. Thank you. Commissioner,
Can I just mention something? Because I think the one thing is,

2464
05:13:35,210 --> 05:13:35,210
you know, I think if you see the community concerned is because this is a community that
Rightfully has tremendous reasons to feel a heightened sense of sensitivity.

2465
05:13:45,820 --> 05:13:45,820
it is a community that has been targeted. It is a community that year after year after
Year,

2466
05:13:53,900 --> 05:13:53,900
they are facing more and more policies. That is specifically about silencing us,
Silencing our visibility,

2467
05:14:02,980 --> 05:14:02,980
silencing the art of the lgbtq community. Silencing their the way they express

2468
05:14:12,820 --> 05:14:12,820
themselves the way they identify themselves is constant you know,
Policies and bills constantly being

2469
05:14:22,380 --> 05:14:22,380
thrown and thrown and thrown even recently, you know,
We were we were we were talking about hiv medication and,

2470
05:14:31,340 --> 05:14:31,340
and the funding for hiv medication, almost like as an attempt to force individuals who are
Hiv positive,

2471
05:14:39,420 --> 05:14:39,420
forcing them out of the state. So that so they can get their medication.

2472
05:14:44,070 --> 05:14:44,070
and, mr. Mayor, thank you for coming. That that legislation with me,
The residents that we have before us have every reason why

2473
05:14:53,830 --> 05:14:53,830
to feel heightened level of sensitivity. Because we're all walking around and we feel like
We have a target on our back.

2474
05:15:03,030 --> 05:15:03,030
and maybe you don't feel it as much as we do.

2475
05:15:07,270 --> 05:15:07,270
but it's real. It is. It is very much real. In in recent years,
You know, I've, I've had hate speech directed

2476
05:15:17,150 --> 05:15:17,150
at me that I just never in my entire life. And I mentioned it last year in a meeting here
In my entire life that I had

2477
05:15:26,830 --> 05:15:26,830
not experienced that. And then when, as you think that you're making progress and as you
Think that that that that society is advancing and you should feel safer,

2478
05:15:36,830 --> 05:15:36,830
it's almost like, no, we're going backwards. Is no different than with the jewish
Community and the heightened sensitivity that there is with the jewish community.

2479
05:15:46,280 --> 05:15:46,280
and, and, and, and the target that there is in the jewish community,
Even in the conservative segments of our politics that have

2480
05:15:56,120 --> 05:15:59,160
traditionally supported our jewish community. And there are segments of them that are now,
You know, coming out with, you know, this very white nationalist,

2481
05:16:05,520 --> 05:16:05,520
anti-semitic rhetoric. So many of us are feeling sensitivities right now.

2482
05:16:14,800 --> 05:16:14,800
and the most important thing that we have to do as elected officials is foster community,
And not just a community of buildings and parks,

2483
05:16:23,040 --> 05:16:23,040
but a community of people where we are together,
Where we support each other, where the residents who live in the in this city,

2484
05:16:31,920 --> 05:16:31,920
whether they be part of the lgbtq community or the jewish community or the hispanic
Community,

2485
05:16:37,020 --> 05:16:37,020
whether it be women or blacks or any other background,
Race, ethnicity that we continue to have each other's back as we traditionally have,

2486
05:16:46,020 --> 05:16:49,420
because that is what makes our city beautiful and unique. And it's so beautiful when we hear members of the public call in and say that,
That they've been attending pride since before they moved to

2487
05:16:59,460 --> 05:16:59,460
miami beach, and I think patrick was the one that was saying that,
Or another person that's been saying that she's been attending pride she was

2488
05:17:09,340 --> 05:17:09,340
since she was in her early 20s. And then now she lives in north beach and she's in her
30s.

2489
05:17:14,020 --> 05:17:17,500
and how is something that she looks forward to? This is who we are. We are a beautiful community, a community of diversity.

2490
05:17:20,620 --> 05:17:20,620
your points about fiscal responsibility? I think they are very well received.

2491
05:17:25,660 --> 05:17:25,660
but I think commissioner, I think it's best to work together on legislation that address
Them holistically,

2492
05:17:33,300 --> 05:17:33,300
not individually, because when we address them in,
In then segments of communities feel like it's about them.

2493
05:17:42,390 --> 05:17:42,390
when it's just generally you want to look at the fiscal policies of how we administer
These,

2494
05:17:48,190 --> 05:17:48,190
these these grants. And on that same vein, you know,
We had that discussion consequently,

2495
05:17:55,270 --> 05:17:55,270
the item was pulled before we had that that holistic hour long discussion.

2496
05:18:00,390 --> 05:18:00,390
we had commissioner monica mateo- salinas and then commissioner bhatt I to 100% support
Pride and 100% support the funding that we're

2497
05:18:10,270 --> 05:18:10,270
going to propose today for, for pride. South beach was built by the gays.

2498
05:18:16,830 --> 05:18:20,710
it would not be south beach without the lgbtqia community. And I thank you for that. And I will say, a couple of years ago,
I was walking home.

2499
05:18:24,150 --> 05:18:24,150
I was at a watering hole on washington avenue,
And I was, I think I was doing karaoke and I was walking home.

2500
05:18:29,510 --> 05:18:29,510
I live in flamingo park, and as I was walking down in washington.

2501
05:18:33,560 --> 05:18:33,560
I there was a kind of a dark area, and I was on the west side of the street,
And I saw a group of guys and I thought,

2502
05:18:39,560 --> 05:18:39,560
oh, gosh, single woman walking, you know, in the kind of darkness.

2503
05:18:44,520 --> 05:18:44,520
and I realized it was nathans bar and people were outside and I thought,
Oh, I'm safe.

2504
05:18:48,760 --> 05:18:48,760
thank you so much. So thank you for keeping me safe,
Too, because as a woman, I thought, what am I?

2505
05:18:55,560 --> 05:18:55,560
what am I walking into? And then I realized it was a gay bar and I thought,
I'm so safe now.

2506
05:18:59,680 --> 05:18:59,680
you will protect me. So thank you. And now I'm lucky enough to be up here to.

2507
05:19:03,760 --> 05:19:06,640
to protect you and your events and your funding. And I'll say, when I campaigned, I had a conversation where one day I spoke with someone
From the orthodox community who was supporting me,

2508
05:19:15,160 --> 05:19:15,160
and he said, just keep us safe, please. We feel comfortable here.

2509
05:19:19,400 --> 05:19:19,400
this is our home. We can wear kippahs. We can wear traditional uniforms and wear please
Keep us safe.

2510
05:19:26,760 --> 05:19:29,160
and I said yes. Absolutely. That means a lot to me. Yes. And then 30 minutes later, I spoke with a gay man and he said,
Please keep us safe.

2511
05:19:34,610 --> 05:19:37,650
we feel comfortable here. This is our home. We can hold hands. We can wear rainbow flags. And I said, yes, absolutely.

2512
05:19:41,730 --> 05:19:41,730
I'll keep you safe. And it was it just struck me of how those conversations mirrored that,

2513
05:19:46,290 --> 05:19:46,290
these two communities that are so different,
But this is their home and they both deserve to feel safe.

2514
05:19:51,050 --> 05:19:51,050
we all deserve to feel safe. And I've said this before and I'll say it again we all
Deserve to feel safe here,

2515
05:19:56,170 --> 05:19:59,890
no matter where we come from or who we represent or who we love. So I'm happy to support pride today. And like commissioner dominguez said,
I'll second this.

2516
05:20:04,290 --> 05:20:07,770
I'll you know, whatever needs happy to support this. If the motion hasn't already been made, I can make it to. But thank you for this.

2517
05:20:11,410 --> 05:20:11,410
and thank you, commissioner. Here. You know,
To echo mitch's words, I am also a proud, straight human being.

2518
05:20:21,010 --> 05:20:21,010
and I love pride. I came with my daughter two years ago.

2519
05:20:26,970 --> 05:20:26,970
she came over from miami beach to to join us for the pride festivities.

2520
05:20:31,940 --> 05:20:31,940
and she was dazzled by how joyful it is. And god knows we could all use a little joy in
Our lives.

2521
05:20:40,140 --> 05:20:40,140
but especially when people walk around, whether it's the gay community or any other
Community walking around with a an enormous target on their back for just

2522
05:20:49,300 --> 05:20:49,300
existing. It's insane to me that we would hasten in the state's efforts to undermine
Protecting

2523
05:20:59,660 --> 05:20:59,660
our residents and our visitors who come here to enjoy this event.

2524
05:21:06,340 --> 05:21:06,340
you know, I, I think we all of us, all seven of us share the concerns that we've discussed
At length today about economic resiliency going forward.

2525
05:21:15,860 --> 05:21:15,860
we don't know what the future holds in terms of property tax cuts and btr tax rollbacks
And all kinds of craziness.

2526
05:21:24,060 --> 05:21:24,060
but when an event is as well established with as much global impact as miami pride is.

2527
05:21:33,590 --> 05:21:33,590
people coming in from not only around the state and country,
But from around the world.

2528
05:21:39,790 --> 05:21:39,790
joel, I think you said your your best. Or maybe it was aj,
You said your best week of the year is this year,

2529
05:21:46,230 --> 05:21:46,230
and you are on ocean drive for spring break. I mean,
That's saying something I would imagine.

2530
05:21:51,950 --> 05:21:51,950
joel, your numbers are the same. Number one. So why would we do anything to hasten?

2531
05:21:59,350 --> 05:21:59,350
you know, we're trying like hell to fight this off at tallahassee. Why would we do
Anything here in miami beach to hasten in a change that may not even

2532
05:22:08,990 --> 05:22:08,990
happen? You know, not for nothing. I mean, some of you may recall or know that my
Background is branding and marketing,

2533
05:22:17,190 --> 05:22:17,190
and I entered the the industry not long after absolut vodka was introduced to the well.

2534
05:22:26,960 --> 05:22:26,960
it was almost a decade later, but not that long after absolut vodka entered the market.

2535
05:22:32,960 --> 05:22:32,960
for those of you who don't know, absolut vodka is a slightly better than mediocre vodka
From sweden.

2536
05:22:40,120 --> 05:22:44,080
it's perfectly fine. It's not great. It's not terrible. It's perfectly fine. But in 1981, in the heart of the aids epidemic,
They took a gamble and bought the back

2537
05:22:53,920 --> 05:22:53,920
page, spread ad blocks on advocate magazine and some other magazines like that.

2538
05:23:01,680 --> 05:23:01,680
they invested. They took a leap of faith on the gay community during the height of the
Aids crisis,

2539
05:23:10,520 --> 05:23:10,520
because they know that the gay community. Lgbtq leads the way in economic impact,
In

2540
05:23:20,600 --> 05:23:20,600
creativity, in creating a sweeping generalization,
But, you know, in terms of transforming things there,

2541
05:23:27,890 --> 05:23:27,890
the joke in real estate is go to where the gays are because they will improve your
Property values,

2542
05:23:33,050 --> 05:23:33,050
right? So absolut vodka did this 1981, by the way.

2543
05:23:37,810 --> 05:23:37,810
yeah, right. Chase avenue is a hotbed right now,
Right?

2544
05:23:42,850 --> 05:23:42,850
but but it is true. It is economically demonstrated over decades,
And they have not wavered in that position since 1981.

2545
05:23:52,730 --> 05:23:52,730
and almost 50 years later, this slightly better than mediocre vodka remains,
Depending on who you ask and how you quantify it.

2546
05:24:00,970 --> 05:24:00,970
between the number two vodka in the country or within the top five.

2547
05:24:06,930 --> 05:24:06,930
this is an investment into our economic well-being as a city,
And I understand the concern of it's a lot of money.

2548
05:24:14,210 --> 05:24:17,730
it's not a $30,000 grant. It is a large grant. We give very large grants to lots of other events that come to miami beach that are
Incredibly impactful.

2549
05:24:26,060 --> 05:24:26,060
the events coming for spring break, which we all are welcoming and we believe is a
Worthwhile expenditure of these funds because of the value it brings from a

2550
05:24:35,580 --> 05:24:35,580
tourism perspective, from an economic development perspective,
From a branding perspective,

2551
05:24:40,540 --> 05:24:40,540
from offering something meaningful to our residents and neighbors across the bridge in the
Tri state area the south beach wine and food festival,

2552
05:24:49,700 --> 05:24:49,700
the air and sea show. So why aren't we discussing those grants as well?

2553
05:24:55,700 --> 05:24:55,700
you know, we do need to have a conversation of how things get funded for how long,
At what level,

2554
05:25:02,020 --> 05:25:05,020
what the criteria are. That is a very, very valid conversation. You've heard us all say that since it came up this morning.

2555
05:25:08,740 --> 05:25:08,740
but I you know, again, if it hasn't already been moved,
I would move this up and vote on this because this has to stay,

2556
05:25:17,860 --> 05:25:21,040
and we need to find a way to make sure it doesn't go away. Commissioner suarez. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Look,
I commissioner, but I think you and I are on the same page,

2557
05:25:27,400 --> 05:25:27,400
right? You. You've you've dedicated or you've shown fiscal responsibility when it comes to
Nonprofits and

2558
05:25:37,280 --> 05:25:37,280
cultural organizations. You know, I can look at resolution 2025 33757,
A resolution of the mayor and city of commissioner miami

2559
05:25:47,280 --> 05:25:47,280
beach for establishing a policy that the waiver of special event fees,
Including but not limited to,

2560
05:25:52,960 --> 05:25:52,960
special event application fees, permit fees,
Vehicle beach access passes, square footage fees and park user fees,

2561
05:26:00,080 --> 05:26:00,080
as well as a subsidizing of any city services fees,
Including but not limited to police, fire sanitation shall be limited to the first three

2562
05:26:09,200 --> 05:26:09,200
years of an event, with an exception for events held during the months of july,
August and september,

2563
05:26:14,600 --> 05:26:17,080
to the extent necessary based on financial hardship. We're not that far apart. You know, I think and this,
This past, this, this resolution passed in june of 2025.

2564
05:26:27,330 --> 05:26:27,330
and we're all having an honest adult conversations about how are we going to to fund this?

2565
05:26:35,410 --> 05:26:35,410
so not this. And every organization moving forward,
We share, you know, I think we share a common belief that there needs to be

2566
05:26:47,090 --> 05:26:47,090
financial diversity for for some of our cultural anchors to,
To, to to strengthen their finances as it relates to

2567
05:26:57,130 --> 05:26:57,130
our city and, and what we give moving forward.

2568
05:27:01,210 --> 05:27:01,210
so I welcome this discussion coming to ferc. I also appreciate commissioner magazine
Mentioning that,

2569
05:27:08,650 --> 05:27:08,650
look, you know, it's this isn't me doing me discussing this isn't because it's gay pride.

2570
05:27:16,820 --> 05:27:16,820
it could be the most. You know, I guess. Would you say the most,
Like, non gay thing?

2571
05:27:22,060 --> 05:27:22,060
and I still gave you know, I voted no on, on on many of those things.

2572
05:27:28,300 --> 05:27:28,300
so and you know, there is something to say that I think it's important that you do have
Someone who's willing to question how much we

2573
05:27:38,220 --> 05:27:38,220
spend on the commission. You you don't want a rubber stamper.

2574
05:27:44,060 --> 05:27:44,060
I think it's important because the shoe is on the other foot,
You know, you'd you'd want to have someone who's always going to question how your

2575
05:27:53,980 --> 05:27:57,100
monies are spent, how your tax dollars are spent. And I think that's a discussion worthwhile. I don't think I'm ever going to shy away from
That.

2576
05:28:01,460 --> 05:28:01,460
I'm not. I'm not a coward. I welcome the opportunity.

2577
05:28:05,780 --> 05:28:05,780
so I really thank my colleagues for this. You know,
I'm going to sponsor the item as a show of solidarity.

2578
05:28:14,030 --> 05:28:14,030
but, you know, I think, you know, moving forward,
We're going to have to have some very hard conversations about how.

2579
05:28:22,590 --> 05:28:22,590
and we give taxpayer money. So this has been a very healthy discussion.

2580
05:28:27,990 --> 05:28:27,990
I want to thank everyone for for multiple I was going to get.

2581
05:28:33,110 --> 05:28:37,070
yeah. Go for it. One for the fiscal aspects to it. And you've been very consistent. Commissioner suarez. So but I think it's a it's a healthy
Discussion also for our city and what's happening in our,

2582
05:28:46,630 --> 05:28:46,630
in our country and our and our state. So, you know,
There's a lot of different policy issues that we bring.

2583
05:28:53,990 --> 05:28:53,990
I do my colleagues do. But the overarching issue,
I don't think this will surprise anybody who's followed anything about miami beach

2584
05:29:00,630 --> 05:29:00,630
politics is the overarching issue for me is that people should feel safe,
Should feel welcome,

2585
05:29:07,390 --> 05:29:07,390
and should feel wanted. And that always comes down to every issue.

2586
05:29:14,800 --> 05:29:18,240
there was even a lot of that comes to public safety. A lot of that comes to filling that. This is a safe haven.

2587
05:29:22,000 --> 05:29:22,000
and I am I'm actually, no pun intended, extremely proud that multiple groups have in our
City say

2588
05:29:31,840 --> 05:29:35,720
that they believe that miami beach is the safest place for them. You've quoted commissioner fernandez that the lgbtq community has given miami beach a
Perfect score,

2589
05:29:42,600 --> 05:29:42,600
100%. I think there's I don't know the exact specifics,
But there's there's the municipal equality index.

2590
05:29:47,960 --> 05:29:47,960
yeah. I mean, there's not that many cities, right,
That get that score, but I'm proud of that.

2591
05:29:54,400 --> 05:29:58,200
I know our jewish community and other community say,
Say the same thing. And actually, I was touched by what you said,
Commissioner vice mayor mateo- salinas, because I feel that to actually one of the callers

2592
05:30:06,720 --> 05:30:06,720
who called in, I won't mention him by name in case he doesn't want to,
But I remember several years ago he called me and thanked me because I was taking a lead

2593
05:30:13,770 --> 05:30:16,130
in trying to end the biker groups that were coming in. And he mentioned to me that according to him,
The lgbtq community was part of those targeted from those groups,

2594
05:30:23,890 --> 05:30:23,890
and that stopping that actually was a protection for the lgbtq community.

2595
05:30:28,410 --> 05:30:28,410
I was proud to co-sponsor the hiv with you. And actually,
During covid, I worked with jonathan welch in co-sponsor,

2596
05:30:35,970 --> 05:30:35,970
and I think I was the sponsor actually on helping bring testing to miami beach or on hiv
As well.

2597
05:30:44,930 --> 05:30:44,930
so there's a lot we do to to make sure that people feel wanted and feel safe.

2598
05:30:52,090 --> 05:30:52,090
and I think this is part of that. And I think we're all in agreement that we're going to
Continue this,

2599
05:30:57,730 --> 05:30:57,730
and but again, it's a healthy discussion to have on a number of fronts to determine how
Our fiscal dollars get spent.

2600
05:31:06,930 --> 05:31:09,900
and unfortunately, I'll just make one comment. I was debating whether to say this because I feel we're such an up here.

2601
05:31:15,100 --> 05:31:15,100
leadership does matter. We know that as we look at various different issues across our,
Our country and our city and our state,

2602
05:31:23,300 --> 05:31:23,300
and unfortunately, I think there's a narrative sometimes that gets said.

2603
05:31:27,380 --> 05:31:27,380
it could be outside of campaigns, office and campaigns that tries to divide us which is
Non-existent.

2604
05:31:34,700 --> 05:31:34,700
and unfortunately, sometimes it's done for, often done for political reasons.

2605
05:31:39,780 --> 05:31:39,780
but I don't see that. Forget about us, even I don't see the divisiveness up here,
But I don't even see it within our city.

2606
05:31:46,460 --> 05:31:46,460
I go to events all the time, everywhere in our city,
And I see a city that is very welcoming of all of us.

2607
05:31:53,260 --> 05:31:53,260
I don't hear I don't go to different places in here.

2608
05:31:58,540 --> 05:32:01,260
one group badmouthing another group. I just don't hear it. Or maybe people know I won't accept it and they don't say it to me.

2609
05:32:04,340 --> 05:32:04,340
but I don't hear that in our city. And I think that's one of the beauties of our city,
Is that we are so accepting of the various diversity that we do have.

2610
05:32:13,150 --> 05:32:16,990
so I think it's a good, healthy discussion. Glad we had it. And and happy to support. Call the vote. I have a motion by commissioner dominguez,
Seconded by vice mayor mateo-

2611
05:32:25,550 --> 05:32:28,110
salinas. All in favor of c7 el. Please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Hearing none. The item is approved seven zero.

2612
05:32:32,470 --> 05:32:32,470
that was c7 el. And thank you to everyone who spoke as well.

2613
05:32:40,430 --> 05:32:40,430
by the way, mr. Mayor. And again, you know, we pass this not because of me,
But because of the our straight allies.

2614
05:32:47,510 --> 05:32:47,510
and I will continue to repeat that to the lgbtq community.

2615
05:32:53,470 --> 05:32:53,470
we need to support and thank our straight allies who have our back the way that this
Commission does.

2616
05:33:05,130 --> 05:33:08,890
it's tough to it's tough to follow up this item but we'll go with r7. Thank you everyone. R7 is suspend mooring fields project install anchoring limitation area
Signage

2617
05:33:18,530 --> 05:33:18,530
r7 v. Yeah.

2618
05:33:31,770 --> 05:33:34,810
mr. Mayor commissioner suarez. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Ever since one of the first issues I tackled as I when I got on to the commission
With two of my other colleagues

2619
05:33:44,930 --> 05:33:44,930
and you as as mayor was cleaning up our waterways,
And there seemed to have been

2620
05:33:55,010 --> 05:33:55,010
there not seemed there was a proliferation of these.

2621
05:34:01,370 --> 05:34:01,370
derelict boats. In the waterways. And what turned out it wasn't as it appeared.

2622
05:34:09,380 --> 05:34:09,380
it seemed that there was a. It turns out there was a

2623
05:34:20,340 --> 05:34:20,340
a business on the water where people would take a,
A relatively floatable boat and then

2624
05:34:29,620 --> 05:34:29,620
airbnb it on a monthly or nightly basis and charge for that in cash.

2625
05:34:37,100 --> 05:34:37,100
and so what ended up happening over the course of,
I believe, 10 or 15 years is what started off as five boats turned out to almost,

2626
05:34:44,740 --> 05:34:44,740
I think, over 200. And I led an effort both locally and at the state to change

2627
05:34:54,180 --> 05:34:54,180
our our ability to effectively and force our waterways.

2628
05:35:03,430 --> 05:35:03,430
and for the first time in a long time, the state actually gave our city the ability to do
So.

2629
05:35:13,190 --> 05:35:13,190
and they removed their preemption on us with the hopes of us managing our waterways
Effectively.

2630
05:35:22,750 --> 05:35:22,750
and so, pj, I just want to show, for the record,
A couple before and afters of of what happened and,

2631
05:35:29,510 --> 05:35:29,510
and how it looks today. You go next slide. So some of the case scenarios was sunset harbor
And and north

2632
05:35:39,150 --> 05:35:39,150
beach. You know pre ordinance you had a multitude of boats sinking,
Leaking fuel.

2633
05:35:49,710 --> 05:35:53,630
and there wasn't much the police could do about it. And now with our state law that was changed and the state law that we adopted.

2634
05:36:00,120 --> 05:36:00,120
you can see on the right there's zero boats in sunset harbor.

2635
05:36:05,160 --> 05:36:05,160
same thing with north beach. North beach was littered with these rundown boats that really
Had no way of ever being salvaging.

2636
05:36:15,200 --> 05:36:15,200
they were waiting to sink. And on the right. Now,
I believe there's no boats as well.

2637
05:36:23,400 --> 05:36:23,400
next slide. Here's another aerial view of what sunset harbor used to look like.

2638
05:36:29,200 --> 05:36:29,200
and next slide. That's another before I shot next slide after that.

2639
05:36:35,640 --> 05:36:35,640
this is north beach from a google map. And next slide after that.

2640
05:36:41,440 --> 05:36:41,440
now we have zero boats and you can end the presentation.

2641
05:36:45,800 --> 05:36:45,800
so why are why are we bringing this item today?

2642
05:36:50,200 --> 05:36:50,200
at the time, I believe it was commissioner arriola brought an item forward to deal with
This problem at a local level,

2643
05:36:59,570 --> 05:37:03,330
and the idea was establishing a mooring field. And with this mooring field, the idea was to push out these boats to other parts of the
City.

2644
05:37:13,490 --> 05:37:13,490
to, to effectively manage the situation. Right now,
If we were to move forward with this.

2645
05:37:21,250 --> 05:37:21,250
it would cost the taxpayers roughly $3 million to to continue notwithstanding the fact
That there is already a mooring field almost

2646
05:37:31,090 --> 05:37:31,090
half a nautical mile away in watson island, that just so happens to be 60% empty.

2647
05:37:37,970 --> 05:37:37,970
so I would like to cancel this project. I'd like to save our taxpayers money on this.

2648
05:37:48,130 --> 05:37:48,130
on this effort. I don't think it's needed. I went to every neighborhood organization in
The that touches the bay and they're

2649
05:37:57,860 --> 05:38:01,780
fully supportive. I believe one of them is here today. And I'd like to answer any questions that, you know,
That might come up as it relates to this.

2650
05:38:10,340 --> 05:38:10,340
commissioner dominguez. Thank you. So a mooring field gives us control over the waterways,

2651
05:38:18,140 --> 05:38:18,140
and it gives a city a way to manage vessels. That was the goal that commissioner arriola
Had when he sponsored this item.

2652
05:38:26,060 --> 05:38:26,060
now that the vessels have moved temporarily,
It's happened in the last few months.

2653
05:38:31,500 --> 05:38:31,500
I do worry about canceling a project that we've already spent $678,000,
And to

2654
05:38:41,020 --> 05:38:41,020
abandon a project that has been worked on for many years.

2655
05:38:47,900 --> 05:38:47,900
is there a way to suspend it? Put it on hold,
But to outright cancel it when we've made almost $1 million investment into the

2656
05:38:57,510 --> 05:38:57,510
project. I understand the savings, but should circumstances change with the boats,
We'd have to start from scratch and spend the taxpayer monies all over again.

2657
05:39:07,030 --> 05:39:07,030
and I do worry about the taxpayer money that has been spent already.

2658
05:39:13,430 --> 05:39:15,950
yeah, if I can speak to that commissioner suarez. Unfortunately, I think it's it's not limited to only 3 million extra dollars.

2659
05:39:20,390 --> 05:39:20,390
there's also a lot of uncertainty of where the upland facility is going to be.

2660
05:39:25,150 --> 05:39:25,150
and the upland facility is supposed to for example,
Be a place where these boats would pump out their waste.

2661
05:39:35,270 --> 05:39:35,270
and we haven't there's no definite plan if it's either going to be in sunset harbor or
Miami beach marina or wherever else it might be.

2662
05:39:45,190 --> 05:39:45,190
but I think to save taxpayer dollars and to save our city staff's time on projects.

2663
05:39:55,560 --> 05:39:55,560
especially when the underlying concern has been addressed.

2664
05:40:00,240 --> 05:40:03,200
I think it's just throwing good money at bad. I totally understand your concern, commissioner dominguez that we've already invested in
This.

2665
05:40:09,840 --> 05:40:09,840
but, you know, to to further to give any sort of further consideration to a project where
The basis of that project

2666
05:40:20,360 --> 05:40:20,360
has already been addressed. And these these laws have been widely successful in the four
Counties

2667
05:40:30,400 --> 05:40:30,400
that were granted this opportunity. I don't see that this ever going back.

2668
05:40:36,200 --> 05:40:36,200
once you have a mooring field, however, you know,
You're going to what's going to happen is as as it's seen in watson island,

2669
05:40:45,680 --> 05:40:45,680
a lot of these, a lot of the views from our condos on west avenue,
Belle isle, sunset harbor,

2670
05:40:53,250 --> 05:40:53,250
venetian star island palm and hibiscus. They're going to see they're going to I think it's
About 160 mooring balls out on the bay,

2671
05:41:03,650 --> 05:41:03,650
and most of them are going to sit empty. And the reason I know that is because if you look
At watson island,

2672
05:41:10,290 --> 05:41:10,290
they're all empty. And, you know, look, I think our money is best spent.

2673
05:41:17,890 --> 05:41:21,090
the prioritization of our money is best spent. Other places. So I think that also sends a message to to city staff to say,
Hey, look, we we we have better prioritization on

2674
05:41:31,050 --> 05:41:31,050
our projects for other places. Mr. Mayor I heard commissioner,
Commissioner fernandez.

2675
05:41:38,330 --> 05:41:38,330
so I, I tend to agree with you on this. I have a question for david gomez,
Though.

2676
05:41:43,930 --> 05:41:43,930
I would like to sort of keep in our back pocket because we worked very hard to get the
Permit for a mooring field.

2677
05:41:51,030 --> 05:41:51,030
so is there a way to not go any further without abandoning the permit for a year or two,
Just so we can make sure everything is as we believe it's going to be at this

2678
05:42:00,710 --> 05:42:00,710
time? At this time, we're waiting for approval from durham and the army,
Us army corps of engineers.

2679
05:42:09,870 --> 05:42:09,870
we do have approval from the state in the department of environmental protection.

2680
05:42:15,270 --> 05:42:17,870
we're expecting those in the next 2 to 3 months. And I would imagine that their expiration date,
Once issued, would probably be more than a year after that.

2681
05:42:23,190 --> 05:42:23,190
so we could always just wait and get the permit and then see what happens.

2682
05:42:27,230 --> 05:42:27,230
and do we need to spend any money or anything to. We've already done the work and spent
The money to get those permits.

2683
05:42:33,430 --> 05:42:36,470
it's just a question of waiting for them to come back approved. I'd have to confirm if there's any fees pending to pull the permit,
And there may be some fees that haven't been built yet by the consultant.

2684
05:42:43,870 --> 05:42:43,870
so, you know, barring any fees that outstanding that,
You know, I don't want to spend more money on this,

2685
05:42:49,840 --> 05:42:49,840
but if there's a way to keep our options open just to make sure,
You know, there are no bad turns.

2686
05:42:58,400 --> 05:42:58,400
that would be, to me, the ideal, because it would be a shame if in a year things went
South and then we had to redo everything because we just preemptively closed this down.

2687
05:43:07,360 --> 05:43:07,360
but so if you can get back to us on what the costs,
If there are any costs and if there are what they might be,

2688
05:43:13,560 --> 05:43:13,560
you know, if it's five grand, that's one thing. If it's 50 grand,
That's a whole other thing. Okay. Commissioner fernandez,

2689
05:43:19,560 --> 05:43:19,560
thank you, mr. Mayor. So david, since you're at the podium,
How much is the estimated cost for the entire mooring field

2690
05:43:28,840 --> 05:43:28,840
project? It's a little over $3 million. A little bit over $3 million.

2691
05:43:33,320 --> 05:43:33,320
and how much have we spent to date? I believe somebody had mentioned that it was just over
678,000.

2692
05:43:42,400 --> 05:43:42,400
so, you know, we're going to be we're going to be saving significantly.

2693
05:43:48,050 --> 05:43:51,570
especially I like what what's being proposed. If we have a permit, we keep the permit. We don't cancel the permit in the event the
Circumstances change.

2694
05:43:59,730 --> 05:43:59,730
but we don't need to continue expending the funds when it's not under the conditions that
We have today and the change of

2695
05:44:09,530 --> 05:44:09,530
authority under state law, we don't we don't we don't have the same need that we had,
I guess,

2696
05:44:15,810 --> 05:44:15,810
back in 2019 when the wheels were first put in motion for this.

2697
05:44:20,770 --> 05:44:20,770
so I'm, I'm happy to support our fee. For what?

2698
05:44:27,250 --> 05:44:27,250
I'm sorry. For as long as we keep the I mean,
I'll make a motion or I'll second year amended as keep the permit open.

2699
05:44:35,970 --> 05:44:35,970
yeah, keep the permit open. We don't want to lose that because I mean that it costs us
Money to get to this point.

2700
05:44:41,540 --> 05:44:41,540
so there is value to that. But should situations change?

2701
05:44:45,940 --> 05:44:45,940
should a legislature come in next year and decide to preempt this again?

2702
05:44:51,300 --> 05:44:51,300
it is in this ability or whatever. We have the permit,
But we don't need to go through and spend all the $3 million.

2703
05:44:56,780 --> 05:44:56,780
and I just want to speak to that commissioner,
Because the idea of the mooring field being the end all,

2704
05:45:03,540 --> 05:45:03,540
be all solution. Let's let's assume for a second that the legislature did change and they
Changed the laws and we implemented a

2705
05:45:13,420 --> 05:45:13,420
mooring field. What's going to happen is that those same boats that are going to be it'll
Just go to north beach,

2706
05:45:20,900 --> 05:45:20,900
it'll just go to the king cove where there is no mooring field in place.

2707
05:45:24,940 --> 05:45:28,100
and it will, you know, densely pack the area. And and by the way, if you look at the watson island mooring field,
It's it's happening now.

2708
05:45:34,340 --> 05:45:34,340
there is about, I think, 100 boats outside the mooring field just 200ft away,
And the mooring field is not expensive by

2709
05:45:44,110 --> 05:45:44,110
law, has to be inexpensive. And those the people who own those boats just decide not to
Pay it,

2710
05:45:52,230 --> 05:45:52,230
and they would rather just anchor two 200ft away.

2711
05:45:56,590 --> 05:45:56,590
so, look thank you. I think just amending it,
Keeping the permit alive, but maybe directing city staff to not to spend any more money.

2712
05:46:05,550 --> 05:46:05,550
and if at the point of the permit expiration,
Maybe we have a final vote, or you can come back to the city commission and you can say,

2713
05:46:12,790 --> 05:46:16,270
hey, the permit is going to expire. What would you like to do? For clarity, I did get confirmation there is a $12,000 fee pending for the permit.

2714
05:46:23,430 --> 05:46:23,430
well, first I want to I want to thank you, commissioner suarez,
Because I've heard over and over throughout our city different individuals,

2715
05:46:31,070 --> 05:46:31,070
community leaders from various neighborhood associations say what a game changer the
Waterways have been.

2716
05:46:37,280 --> 05:46:41,240
since addressing the derelict boats, obviously getting the law changed in tallahassee. So thank you and kudos to you for taking taking the lead on on that.

2717
05:46:46,360 --> 05:46:46,360
what's interesting about the mooring field? It was it was kind of controversial,
I felt a couple of years ago until we we cleaned up the derelict boats,

2718
05:46:54,800 --> 05:46:54,800
and now I, I sense a uniformity that this would be best now to put it on hold in hiatus.

2719
05:47:02,960 --> 05:47:02,960
and so I'm. I'm supportive of it. Okay, so as maybe as amended.

2720
05:47:10,560 --> 05:47:10,560
as amended. Commissioner. Bhatt. David just said a $12,000 fee is outstanding.

2721
05:47:19,000 --> 05:47:21,760
so are we okay with that? It's something we already. Oh, right. Yeah. Okay. So it's not okay. Perfect.

2722
05:47:26,760 --> 05:47:29,240
so the amendment would be to hold the permit. But after this $12,000 fee, no more tax dollars toward the project and when the permit fee
Is

2723
05:47:39,810 --> 05:47:39,810
going to expire, perhaps 90 days before, have it come back before the commission for an
Update on what direction to do.

2724
05:47:50,330 --> 05:47:50,330
got it. Second. So I have a motion and a second by commissioner suarez,
Seconded by commissioner fernandez,

2725
05:47:57,730 --> 05:47:57,730
as amended. Call the vote, mr. Mayor. Oh.

2726
05:48:07,810 --> 05:48:11,090
hi. Good afternoon, everybody. And I do want to thank everybody on this. This was not an easy item for david and some of the commissioners that actually supported
Some of our,

2727
05:48:20,490 --> 05:48:20,490
our, our, our meetings with, with the people in the vessel.

2728
05:48:25,890 --> 05:48:29,450
it was very controversial. Tanya, you tried to help out,
Alex. You tried to help out. Every one of you tried to help out.

2729
05:48:32,450 --> 05:48:32,450
and it really didn't work out. So I am very happy at the fact that there is the anchoring
Limitation area that,

2730
05:48:41,260 --> 05:48:41,260
you know, they can't stay there more than 45 days or 49 days,
Which is good.

2731
05:48:45,660 --> 05:48:45,660
you have a way to restrain it and you have a way to move them out if they stay there.

2732
05:48:50,900 --> 05:48:50,900
I'm very happy. So as a board of director, we voted our seven v specifically to suspend
The proposed mooring field,

2733
05:49:00,980 --> 05:49:00,980
the installation of the anchoring limitation signage to put it there.

2734
05:49:06,740 --> 05:49:06,740
it's based on direct experience that we definitely have had in maurice gibb.

2735
05:49:10,900 --> 05:49:10,900
the water is clear. It's looking really great,
That area.

2736
05:49:15,660 --> 05:49:18,540
the fishes are coming back. It's. Everybody's very happy. The fact that there's no boats there. And for many years we face stream vessel congestion.

2737
05:49:25,100 --> 05:49:28,860
at one point we had over 39 votes. Yeah. Your picture was correct. I counted every single day out of my terrace.

2738
05:49:31,580 --> 05:49:34,280
how many boats were there? How many were leaving? And in their small basin we have a significant impact in navigation safety.

2739
05:49:41,480 --> 05:49:41,480
now you're going to have the water taxi which is going to increase in,
In, in, in and out.

2740
05:49:46,880 --> 05:49:46,880
more than one water taxi coming in every hour on the hour in the future,
Because we think that will be a great way to reduce traffic in miami beach.

2741
05:49:56,360 --> 05:50:00,280
and that's going to be one of the areas that everybody loves to go there. They get on there on the bus or they walk to the to their job.

2742
05:50:04,000 --> 05:50:07,600
even people that live in miami beach don't drive to brickell. They take it. They get off on the omni, get on the people mover and they can get there.

2743
05:50:11,640 --> 05:50:11,640
so I'm very thankful. So true. Sustain configuration with the city.

2744
05:50:16,720 --> 05:50:16,720
we support this reasonable regulations. And please approve this.

2745
05:50:22,560 --> 05:50:22,560
thank you. I call the vote. Call the vote. So as amended motion by commissioner suarez,
Seconded by commissioner fernandez.

2746
05:50:32,370 --> 05:50:32,370
r7 v. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed?

2747
05:50:37,010 --> 05:50:37,010
co-sponsor. I'm sorry. Hearing none. Then the item is approved seven zero.

2748
05:50:41,330 --> 05:50:41,330
wants to be a co-sponsor. Co-sponsor? Yes. It's called r7-c.

2749
05:50:50,330 --> 05:50:50,330
r7 c is a public hearing named from flamingo park baseball field after stanley bertman,

2750
05:51:00,450 --> 05:51:00,450
r7 c public hearing. Second mayor. Commissioner dominguez.

2751
05:51:09,850 --> 05:51:13,010
thank you. Sponsored by commissioner fernandez. Yeah. So skip bertman is a celebrated former baseball coach and athletic director for lsu.

2752
05:51:19,370 --> 05:51:19,370
a graduate of miami beach high school in 1956,
He played football and baseball, then returned as a teacher and head baseball coach from

2753
05:51:27,330 --> 05:51:27,330
1962 to 1974, leading the team to state championships and two runner up finishes.

2754
05:51:34,180 --> 05:51:34,180
he also coached football and oversaw youth leagues for miami beach parks and recreation.

2755
05:51:40,580 --> 05:51:40,580
bertman was named florida high school coach of the year three times.

2756
05:51:45,100 --> 05:51:45,100
he served as associate head coach for the university of miami from 76 to 83,
And helped the hurricanes win the 82 national championship.

2757
05:51:54,860 --> 05:51:54,860
and the accolades go on and on. He earned three varsity letters as a player at he was part
Of the

2758
05:52:04,380 --> 05:52:04,380
inaugural college baseball hall of fame class of 2006 naming the flamingo park baseball
Field after skip would honor his extraordinary

2759
05:52:14,340 --> 05:52:14,340
legacy and lifelong impact on miami beach athletics and the community.

2760
05:52:20,340 --> 05:52:23,860
I'll second your motion. Commissioner dominguez. Yes. Thank you. Would you want to say something? John.

2761
05:52:27,150 --> 05:52:27,150
I'll turn it over to you, sir. I was here before.

2762
05:52:31,310 --> 05:52:31,310
when you. My name is stuart blumberg. And just as an aside,
I love absolut vodka.

2763
05:52:39,030 --> 05:52:39,030
okay. I've been involved in this community for 80 years now,
And commissioner suarez is not on his chair,

2764
05:52:49,030 --> 05:52:49,030
but it was like rip van winkle listening to the conversation.

2765
05:52:53,350 --> 05:52:53,350
I've heard that conversation over 50 years of meetings here.

2766
05:52:58,350 --> 05:52:58,350
and you've got your work cut out for you. And I think you've got great leadership on the
Dais,

2767
05:53:05,910 --> 05:53:05,910
and I hope you work everything out. As far as skip I grew up with skip in grade school.

2768
05:53:13,630 --> 05:53:13,630
I've known him for over 70 years. He is a hometown legend.

2769
05:53:18,790 --> 05:53:18,790
he has brought great fame to this community. Self,
Not self serving.

2770
05:53:27,400 --> 05:53:27,400
he's shy about this whole process. And as I said before this is a wonderful tribute to him
And a wonderful

2771
05:53:37,080 --> 05:53:37,080
tribute to this community for what he's accomplished on behalf of it.

2772
05:53:41,920 --> 05:53:41,920
every interview he's ever done over his career,
He mentions about growing up in miami beach and being in this community.

2773
05:53:50,800 --> 05:53:50,800
this is a fine tribute to him. I also mentioned he has a health issue.

2774
05:53:56,960 --> 05:53:56,960
so as soon as john and his staff are able to get the signage correctly done I hope the
Commission will

2775
05:54:06,720 --> 05:54:06,720
schedule an event. There are people that want to come from all over the country to pay
Homage to him.

2776
05:54:14,080 --> 05:54:14,080
and the sooner the better. But my thanks to all of you,
Particularly commissioner dominguez commissioner fernandez

2777
05:54:24,890 --> 05:54:24,890
for moving this forward. It'll be a great day when it happens.

2778
05:54:29,770 --> 05:54:29,770
I thank you. Thank you stuart. I move the item.

2779
05:54:35,370 --> 05:54:38,810
second on the vote. It is a public hearing. I see no one else in zoom. No one else in the audience on r7-c. All in favor,
Please say aye.

2780
05:54:42,530 --> 05:54:42,530
aye. Anyone opposed? Hearing none. R7 is approved seven zero.

2781
05:54:48,890 --> 05:54:48,890
call r9 r. R9 r is discussed. Take action. Enhance enforcement of vehicular muffler and
Exhaust

2782
05:54:58,650 --> 05:54:58,650
noise. R9 r. Thank you. I'm sponsoring this. Thank you to my co-prime sponsor,
Commissioner dominguez.

2783
05:55:07,290 --> 05:55:07,290
I'll start it off. This has been an issue plaguing our our city for a while.

2784
05:55:13,690 --> 05:55:13,690
the modified mufflers generally to speak some some cars,
Some of these high end sports cars which make loud sounds are

2785
05:55:23,460 --> 05:55:27,140
legal. But we all know there are there. We hear it every day. These modified mufflers that sort of sound like explosions.

2786
05:55:31,820 --> 05:55:31,820
I won't go through all the history, but I brought an item several years to bring noise
Cameras.

2787
05:55:35,980 --> 05:55:35,980
we've been trying. I know commissioner dominguez,
And I also coprime an item to do a pilot program,

2788
05:55:42,660 --> 05:55:42,660
but ultimately I. I don't know if there's a bigger complaint than I hear about right now,
Which I think is I think is a is a kudos to our police department because,

2789
05:55:53,260 --> 05:55:53,260
you know, I remember 4 or 5 years ago, it was it was crime,
Lack of police visibility, homeless.

2790
05:55:59,420 --> 05:55:59,420
and that still happened. But those are as we talked about earlier,
Those are way improved.

2791
05:56:03,980 --> 05:56:03,980
we're doing great. And we have to continue and we'll keep we'll keep pushing.

2792
05:56:08,540 --> 05:56:08,540
this is an issue, though, that I've been hearing a lot lately,
And I'm assuming my colleagues as well.

2793
05:56:13,260 --> 05:56:13,260
so really what I'm just trying to there's a companion item that was passed on consent that
Basically the county.

2794
05:56:20,470 --> 05:56:20,470
it mirrors what the county is doing supporting the county. It's commissioner steinberg to
Reduce the 100 foot rule.

2795
05:56:27,270 --> 05:56:27,270
so if an officer hears a violation, it's 25ft from noise emanating from a vessel,
A boat,

2796
05:56:34,470 --> 05:56:34,470
a vehicle. And I'm going to be bringing an item on march 18th meeting to legislation that
Will track what the county is doing.

2797
05:56:42,590 --> 05:56:42,590
but this item basically sort of directs the administration to have officers at three
Points off the macarthur 41st

2798
05:56:52,670 --> 05:56:52,670
by indian creek and also 71st street. So we cover we cover our city.

2799
05:56:57,510 --> 05:56:57,510
I personally think it's a great thing because it will also bring police visibility. And
From the nighttime hours of 10 p.m. To 5 to 5 a.m.,

2800
05:57:04,230 --> 05:57:04,230
which I think is really where the I mean, you hear it during the day,
But it's less of a concern because people are out and about doing their business.

2801
05:57:11,830 --> 05:57:11,830
again, still not great, but it's the nighttime hours,
People are sleeping and what have you.

2802
05:57:16,880 --> 05:57:16,880
so it'll it'll add to the police visibility but also be a concentrated effort to,
To crack down.

2803
05:57:22,960 --> 05:57:22,960
I also think the beauty is and I see it from my window,
So I hear it.

2804
05:57:27,280 --> 05:57:27,280
I look out the window and between the hours of ten and five,
You know which car it is during the day.

2805
05:57:32,480 --> 05:57:32,480
maybe a little more difficult to pinpoint, but there's not that many cars on the road in
The middle of the night.

2806
05:57:38,360 --> 05:57:38,360
and you can really clearly, I personally I could see it and I'm not an expert like your
Trained officers and and maybe you can address chief.

2807
05:57:44,920 --> 05:57:44,920
also, I know I had worked several years ago on the night team,
The noise enforcement abatement team that had an expertise in in the modified mufflers to

2808
05:57:54,120 --> 05:57:54,120
determine and make sure that it was a violation of the law.

2809
05:57:58,360 --> 05:57:58,360
but I'll turn it over to you, chief. And thanks for your continued efforts on this. Of
Course. Good afternoon, wayne jones, police chief. Mister mayor and I have received

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05:58:06,600 --> 05:58:06,600
particularly in the past few weeks, a number of emails,
Text messages from you personally and from your colleagues on the days as well,

2811
05:58:12,880 --> 05:58:12,880
about noise mostly at night. Muffler's loud music throughout the city.

2812
05:58:19,700 --> 05:58:19,700
and so we do realize it is a city wide quality of life issue.

2813
05:58:25,260 --> 05:58:25,260
you just mentioned the county ordinance at 25ft,
Reducing it from 100ft to 25ft.

2814
05:58:30,860 --> 05:58:30,860
we were fully embracing that. We wanted to see that happen throughout the county here,
In particular,

2815
05:58:36,340 --> 05:58:40,020
giving us an additional tool to enforce the law. Assistant chief bigelow oversaw the neat team deployment some time ago.

2816
05:58:45,260 --> 05:58:45,260
I've asked him to take a hard look at what we do now to address this issue.

2817
05:58:50,780 --> 05:58:50,780
and so he's going to talk specifically of what he's put together for us and what our cops
Are already doing right now to sort of help our residents.

2818
05:58:58,500 --> 05:58:58,500
you, everybody else in the city deal with this noise issue.

2819
05:59:02,700 --> 05:59:02,700
thank you sir. Thanks, mark. Good afternoon,
Mr.

2820
05:59:07,460 --> 05:59:07,460
mayor. Commissioners. Assistant chief daniel,
On behalf of chief jones and the police department. So we have commenced an operation

2821
05:59:14,590 --> 05:59:18,550
called quiet streets last month and continuing moving forward. And operation quiet streets specifically addresses loud mufflers,
Loud noise emanating from vehicles on our roadways,

2822
05:59:25,510 --> 05:59:25,510
on those specific areas that you mentioned, mr. Mayor. And throughout the city,
We've also partnered with fhp to assist us with this detail on the causeways on the

2823
05:59:33,710 --> 05:59:33,710
weekends as well. So fhp is partnered with us,
And I'm happy to report that miami pd is doing something very similar in their brickell

2824
05:59:41,230 --> 05:59:44,430
neighborhood, because this is not just a miami beach problem. This is a problem that is pervasive throughout the county.

2825
05:59:47,190 --> 05:59:47,190
and with a lot of these new exotic vehicles that are being rented with the loud mufflers,
People try to cruise around,

2826
05:59:53,190 --> 05:59:53,190
drive around with them and they're creating a problem that we're seeing in the emails and
In the text messages that we're receiving.

2827
06:00:00,710 --> 06:00:00,710
I'm happy to report that in 2025, we wrote a total of 675 citations specifically for loud
Mufflers,

2828
06:00:09,110 --> 06:00:09,110
loud noise coming from vehicles. That's up from 423 and 2024.

2829
06:00:14,320 --> 06:00:14,320
and in 2026, we're already on pace to have 30 or 40% more than what we had in 2025.

2830
06:00:21,400 --> 06:00:21,400
we've already written 164 tickets specifically for noise violations of this sort.

2831
06:00:28,280 --> 06:00:28,280
we're going to continue the effort moving forward and addressing the issue and continue
The partnerships with all these other municipalities and agencies to

2832
06:00:38,040 --> 06:00:41,240
raise awareness and to deal with this problem. No, thank you. If I can just say and and I do see the increased efforts and enforcement.

2833
06:00:47,840 --> 06:00:47,840
so I'm very appreciative of that. And it's a resource issue.

2834
06:00:52,280 --> 06:00:55,400
and I get it. You got to we got to pick our resources. I've had the impression at times tell me if I'm wrong.

2835
06:00:58,240 --> 06:01:00,880
I've heard this from offices too, who are sometimes honest. It's like, is it a danger to the community? Is it a public safety issue?

2836
06:01:06,480 --> 06:01:09,890
and it's a it's a fair debate whether whether it is or not. I don't know if there's any stats that would show that people who drive this car tend to
Commit crimes.

2837
06:01:14,290 --> 06:01:14,290
I don't know if you know that or not. But I think to me especially,
That's why I pinpointed the the overnight hours,

2838
06:01:23,250 --> 06:01:23,250
because it becomes such a quality of life issue that it it it's it may not be a crime per
Se,

2839
06:01:31,130 --> 06:01:31,130
but it's, it's it's almost like it it's really impacting people's quality of life.

2840
06:01:35,810 --> 06:01:35,810
and the way I look at it is 365 days a year,
675 stations.

2841
06:01:42,090 --> 06:01:45,090
I know you say it's up. That's less than two a day. I can tell you from my vantage point, and maybe again,
I'm sitting on 41st street overlooking collins,

2842
06:01:51,290 --> 06:01:51,290
indian creek, pine tree drive. So I have I have a number of vantage points from,
From my from my apartment.

2843
06:01:57,730 --> 06:02:00,650
you you could easily get more than two every night. It's absolutely for a fact if you have that car station there.

2844
06:02:03,850 --> 06:02:06,730
and that's, I guess, what I'm looking for. And I'm hoping. And commissioner dominguez coprime. And I'm hoping,
With the support of the commission here,

2845
06:02:11,180 --> 06:02:11,180
is that we make a concentrated push on this. And I think again you're,
You're talking about and I've actually spoken to fdle the florida

2846
06:02:21,180 --> 06:02:21,180
department of law enforcement about this as well. And thank you for doing that. Glad miami
Is on board.

2847
06:02:26,580 --> 06:02:26,580
it's I and I think people have this reaction that sometimes when when I hear it or I'm on
The road and there's a car next to me,

2848
06:02:33,940 --> 06:02:33,940
it almost. I'm thinking this car is probably gone through so many different cities.

2849
06:02:38,140 --> 06:02:42,100
how is this possible that this car just gets to keep going? It is such a nuisance, by the way. To me it's a danger.

2850
06:02:44,700 --> 06:02:44,700
I was actually in a car when when it just. He must have revved the engine on the highway.

2851
06:02:49,380 --> 06:02:52,660
it scared the you know what out of me. It literally scared me. I thought I was about to get into an accident.

2852
06:02:54,900 --> 06:02:54,900
it's. So there is a there is a public safety component to it.

2853
06:02:59,620 --> 06:03:02,660
to to it as well. So what I'd like to see is that concentrated effort. And then the message, I think like everything else,
What we do.

2854
06:03:05,670 --> 06:03:08,830
when we took our messaging for spring break,
We ended it. When we took the messaging regarding homeless,
We we we, we've reduced the numbers significantly.

2855
06:03:15,070 --> 06:03:18,190
and every aspect, we're successful. We have a great police department. I think we can we can really get the message out very quickly that if you're coming down
These corridors you're going to get caught and you're going to get ticketed.

2856
06:03:27,550 --> 06:03:27,550
yes, sir. Mr. Dominguez thank you, mayor. Yeah,
I've been working on noise items for quite some time.

2857
06:03:36,670 --> 06:03:36,670
I've met with different members of your department.

2858
06:03:41,070 --> 06:03:41,070
people south of fifth west avenue, alton road collins avenue.

2859
06:03:47,190 --> 06:03:51,030
and it seems like it's come out of nowhere in the last year. The number of incidents of the disruption. So I'm working on quiet zones.

2860
06:03:55,710 --> 06:03:55,710
I sent it in as a priority to consider the noise cameras with the state.

2861
06:04:01,470 --> 06:04:04,080
other countries use it to see if they would consider it. I don't think that's going to happen this year,
But maybe in the future.

2862
06:04:07,280 --> 06:04:07,280
but it's a hot button. It's a quality of life item and I'm happy to co-prime this with the
Mayor,

2863
06:04:14,840 --> 06:04:14,840
mr. Mayor and mr. Magazine. And I'll add my name as a sponsor as well.

2864
06:04:19,480 --> 06:04:22,680
is there a technology now that we're able to deploy? I think we may be preempted from some things at the state level.

2865
06:04:27,560 --> 06:04:30,840
correct me if I'm wrong there. Are we preempted by everything? Is there different types of technologies that we're able to?

2866
06:04:34,360 --> 06:04:34,360
my understanding is we're preempted from using technology to conduct enforcement for noise
Emanating from vehicles at this time.

2867
06:04:40,280 --> 06:04:40,280
that's something that I believe the city and other cities are lobbying the legislature to
Get some,

2868
06:04:46,320 --> 06:04:46,320
some changes done. But my understanding is we cannot use technology other than decimal
Meters in certain situations,

2869
06:04:54,800 --> 06:04:54,800
especially on the the maritime environment, on marine patrol in decibel meters would have
To be self-applied or could that be a drone type of

2870
06:05:04,570 --> 06:05:04,570
technology? I don't know if it's if it's applicable to drone technology at this time,
But that is evolving so quickly that if I think we can,

2871
06:05:14,410 --> 06:05:14,410
if we're not preempted, that might be an innovative way to look at conducting some type of
Noise enforcement.

2872
06:05:19,930 --> 06:05:19,930
and I know the department, spearheaded by yourself,
Has been so great at staying on the forefront of some of this new advanced technology,

2873
06:05:27,010 --> 06:05:30,970
which is happening by the day. So just encourage you to continue doing so. But, you know, great job. Let's you all are products of your own success,
Right?

2874
06:05:35,130 --> 06:05:38,370
I know this probably isn't the sexiest part of the job. But you've cut out some of the the red meat by having a safer,
More resident conducive city.

2875
06:05:48,050 --> 06:05:48,050
so these are the quality of life issues we're able to tackle now and through the chair,
If I may I believe what you're referring to commissioner magazine is we currently can use

2876
06:05:57,970 --> 06:05:57,970
noise cameras to monitor and to to collect data,
But we cannot use the noise cameras to issue citations.

2877
06:06:05,190 --> 06:06:05,190
and that is in fact, one of our legislative priorities is to get the state to allow us to
To issue citations using noise cameras.

2878
06:06:13,190 --> 06:06:13,190
and it's very frustrating because new york city has a system that I have to say is pretty,

2879
06:06:18,270 --> 06:06:22,270
is done pretty well because they're they have noise,
Cameras, extensive use of it. And what they do is if there's a car that has a modified muffler,
That's violation of the law.

2880
06:06:27,190 --> 06:06:27,190
they have the ability. It's like an $800 ticket,
But they have the ability because in new york they actually have to go for inspections,

2881
06:06:32,310 --> 06:06:35,070
unlike here. But they have the ability to get it corrected. And then the fee, the penalty would be waived.

2882
06:06:38,590 --> 06:06:41,750
we don't have inspections here. And also the state law doesn't allow us. It was frustrating because we had these noise cameras. It was capturing a lot of data,
But we couldn't do anything with it. I know we had this debate internally whether we could

2883
06:06:49,230 --> 06:06:49,230
potentially issue warnings. Ultimately our police department determined that we couldn't.

2884
06:06:55,790 --> 06:06:55,790
I was trying to take a different position, but I respected the position that you you were
Taken.

2885
06:07:00,400 --> 06:07:04,000
but certainly we could not issue tickets. That is clear under the law. I actually had multiple meetings. I was working with this organization out of naples
Called quiet communities.

2886
06:07:08,840 --> 06:07:08,840
we were meeting with omega, which is the policy arm of the florida legislature,
Trying to get recommendations that we should be able to allow to issue tickets based on

2887
06:07:18,280 --> 06:07:22,120
the technology, because the technology is good. I mean,
It takes video pictures. I mean, you see clearly the the car, the license plate number,
But unfortunately, we we were not successful.

2888
06:07:29,000 --> 06:07:29,000
I joked that maybe they don't have these modified mufflers in in tallahassee,
But we couldn't get the law changed.

2889
06:07:34,560 --> 06:07:34,560
so right now we're we are reduced to the physical enforcement,
So to speak.

2890
06:07:40,680 --> 06:07:40,680
but the good thing is hopefully very shortly it'll it'll be from 100ft to 25ft,
Which will help.

2891
06:07:46,560 --> 06:07:46,560
and just one more thing, sir. We just released a video in social media of our officers
Conducting this type of enforcement recently that our team just put

2892
06:07:56,010 --> 06:07:56,010
out. So we are partnering our messaging to the community,
Along with our enforcement to let everybody know and get the word out that this is going

2893
06:08:04,770 --> 06:08:04,770
on, and we're going to continue to do that. I can't move it.

2894
06:08:10,690 --> 06:08:10,690
somebody want to move it? Move it. Second. Okay.

2895
06:08:16,210 --> 06:08:16,210
excuse me. I have a motion by commissioner bhatt. I heard a second by commissioner
Fernandez. Call the vote.

2896
06:08:22,410 --> 06:08:25,730
yes. So it's to adopt the resolution that was attached to item r9r. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed?

2897
06:08:29,450 --> 06:08:29,450
the resolution is adopted r9r. Thank you. Thank you sir.

2898
06:08:35,770 --> 06:08:35,770
call r5 a. R5 ayes and also the mayor. City commissioner,
City of miami beach, florida.

2899
06:08:45,010 --> 06:08:45,010
amending chapter 70 of the city code entitled miscellaneous offenses by amending article
Two entitled public places by amending division three entitled alcoholic beverages

2900
06:08:53,010 --> 06:08:53,010
amending section 70 dash 87 entitled consumption,
Service, sale and possession of open container of alcoholic beverages on or in a public

2901
06:09:00,300 --> 06:09:00,300
place. Warning signs required by amending the and setting forth exceptions to the
Prohibition of consuming,

2902
06:09:06,140 --> 06:09:06,140
serving, selling, or possessing an open container of alcoholic beverages on or in any
Public place,

2903
06:09:11,460 --> 06:09:11,460
and by amending or clarifying the responsibilities of alcoholic beverage establishments
And persons or entities authorized by the city to sell alcoholic beverages on or on any

2904
06:09:20,220 --> 06:09:20,220
public places. Regarding the prohibition on allowing any person to take an alcoholic
Beverage from the licensed premises or authorized area,

2905
06:09:26,700 --> 06:09:30,180
and providing for severability and effective date. This is a second reading public hearing. It is item r5 a commissioner magazine.

2906
06:09:35,260 --> 06:09:35,260
thank you for this, mr. Mayor. We've discussed this ad nauseam over the past several
Months. The piggyback on some of the points that have been consistent throughout this

2907
06:09:42,620 --> 06:09:42,620
morning. We're a different city than we were several years ago and becoming a different
City that is much more civil,

2908
06:09:49,540 --> 06:09:49,540
much more resident friendly. Upscale tourism allows us the opportunity to expand amenities
That we're confident will not be abused and will not be used

2909
06:09:59,470 --> 06:09:59,470
the wrong way. What I envision for this is providing a very upscale atmosphere similar to
The amalfi coast,

2910
06:10:06,150 --> 06:10:06,150
the french italian riviera, where our guests,
Just like they're able to do with some of the higher end hotels in our city,

2911
06:10:12,630 --> 06:10:12,630
are able to essentially consume beverages in some of our pilot program defined areas.

2912
06:10:19,710 --> 06:10:19,710
and in contrast to some of the items that we've had earlier in the day where we have to be
So focused on spending

2913
06:10:29,510 --> 06:10:29,510
because whether it be through our own fiscal discipline desires or what could be
Forthcoming from the state.

2914
06:10:36,910 --> 06:10:36,910
either way, we will be looking at a, at a more cost constrained budget.

2915
06:10:42,430 --> 06:10:42,430
so when we have the ability to bring in revenue in a very attractive and opportune way,
I think this is a great opportunity to do so.

2916
06:10:50,120 --> 06:10:50,120
again. This is a pilot program. So we're able to essentially deviate in the extent
Anything would go unexpected.

2917
06:10:57,080 --> 06:10:57,080
but I don't believe that to be the case. We've predefined a numerous different parameters
And protocols that are involved in this.

2918
06:11:06,080 --> 06:11:06,080
so with that look forward to I know my parents are looking forward to going down to the
Beach there and enjoying some rosé.

2919
06:11:17,160 --> 06:11:17,160
commissioner. Suarez. Thanks. When I brought this up,
I brought up a concern that I had with without doing this was,

2920
06:11:26,080 --> 06:11:26,080
you know, we already have a plethora of illegal vendors selling god knows what out of a
Backpack on the

2921
06:11:35,640 --> 06:11:35,640
beach. And more often than not, they're selling drugs out,
Out of their backpacks, and it's

2922
06:11:45,640 --> 06:11:45,640
consistent. And we can't really expect the police to police that.

2923
06:11:53,050 --> 06:11:53,050
with seven miles of beach. And, you know, this is a great way to really free up

2924
06:12:02,810 --> 06:12:02,810
some police resources where the stroke of a pen can really change a

2925
06:12:13,170 --> 06:12:13,170
crime that happens on almost on a on a minute by minute basis.

2926
06:12:19,130 --> 06:12:19,130
so if, if the chief can come up for a second and chief or.

2927
06:12:28,130 --> 06:12:28,130
yeah. Yes, sir. Good afternoon everyone. Marlon rivera,
Operations manager.

2928
06:12:34,210 --> 06:12:34,210
yeah. So, you know, some of the concerns that a lot of my that I get is these illegal
Vendors selling alcohol and drugs

2929
06:12:44,730 --> 06:12:44,730
on their, in their backpacks, going up to our visitors on the beach and residents.

2930
06:12:51,380 --> 06:12:51,380
you know, how hard is that to really enforce when in the grand scheme of things?

2931
06:12:58,020 --> 06:12:58,020
so commissioner. It is hard to enforce, as you've pointed out,
When this topic came up last year we absolutely prioritized it.

2932
06:13:08,980 --> 06:13:08,980
we took our problem solving team. We put them out there not only for illegal vending,
But also for encampments and essentially anything else that they could find.

2933
06:13:18,460 --> 06:13:18,460
but through their efforts and also through our atvs efforts,
They were able to identify and conduct arrests.

2934
06:13:25,380 --> 06:13:25,380
in 2025, they had approximately 34 illegal vendor arrests from being out there.

2935
06:13:32,340 --> 06:13:32,340
they find other things, as I stated, but it is very hard for every one that you catch.

2936
06:13:37,060 --> 06:13:40,060
I'm sure there's many that you do not catch. Right. And, you know, I guess the idea with this, you know,
While I'm why I'm supportive of this pilot program is to really see how much of a

2937
06:13:48,030 --> 06:13:48,030
difference it does make in these illegal vendors selling junk to our residents and our and
Our visitors in miami beach.

2938
06:13:56,830 --> 06:13:56,830
I know there's a lot of pushback saying, well,
Now you're opening up alcohol on the beach. But again,

2939
06:14:01,350 --> 06:14:01,350
this is it's wine and beer. If I'm not mistaken,
And it's a pilot program, and I think the bigger risk to,

2940
06:14:11,150 --> 06:14:11,150
you know, our city as far as the visitors and residents concerned,
Is these, these people selling it could be,

2941
06:14:19,630 --> 06:14:19,630
you know, spiked drinks out of out of their backpacks and targeting certain visitors.

2942
06:14:27,630 --> 06:14:27,630
so the idea here is to really privatize it so that,
You know, you have a, you have a vendor that can

2943
06:14:37,230 --> 06:14:37,230
actually enforce this, have eyes on the ground and and call the police if they see it,
Because right now they're not incentivized to.

2944
06:14:46,810 --> 06:14:46,810
so that's why I'm going to be supportive for at least a pilot program on this.

2945
06:14:55,170 --> 06:14:55,170
I'd make I'll move the item. I'll second. Let's call the vote.

2946
06:15:00,050 --> 06:15:00,050
it is a public hearing. I see no one on zoom,
No one in the audience. Motion by commissioner suarez, seconded by commissioner magazine.

2947
06:15:05,530 --> 06:15:05,530
commissioner. Bhatt. Yes, commissioner. Suarez.

2948
06:15:09,570 --> 06:15:12,530
yes, commissioner. Dominguez. Yes. Commissioner. Fernandes. Is out. Commissioner. Magazine. Yes.

2949
06:15:19,530 --> 06:15:22,810
vice mayor. Mateo- salinas. Yes. Mayor. Minor. Yes. The item is approved. That was second reading r5.

2950
06:15:26,650 --> 06:15:26,650
aye. Thank you. Let's take care. A couple of budget items r7 and r7 b r7 eight is a public
Hearing.

2951
06:15:36,170 --> 06:15:36,170
adopt third amendment to fiscal year 2026 operating budget r7 b be public hearing.

2952
06:15:40,980 --> 06:15:40,980
adopt third amendment to the fiscal year 2026 capital budget r7,
A and b.

2953
06:15:47,340 --> 06:15:49,820
good afternoon. Tamika stewart, budget director. So this is the third amendment to the operating budget,
And it contains five items.

2954
06:15:54,380 --> 06:15:54,380
all five items were approved by the city commission at the february 5th commission
Meeting.

2955
06:15:59,420 --> 06:15:59,420
so the first item is a replica of the rainbow crosswalk in loomis park,
And the recommendation is to appropriate $120,000 from available general

2956
06:16:09,340 --> 06:16:09,340
fund reserves. The second program is a pre-k scholarship expansion program.

2957
06:16:14,740 --> 06:16:14,740
the recommendation is to appropriate 111,000 for the 37 families that are on a waiting
List for this year's program,

2958
06:16:22,260 --> 06:16:24,900
and that would come from general fund reserves. The third item is additional support for commissioners,
And this was initially appropriated to transfer funds from the general fund to the

2959
06:16:34,020 --> 06:16:34,020
sanitation fund. The commission approved transferring 80,000 back to that commissioner,
But can go ahead and hire a second aide.

2960
06:16:41,590 --> 06:16:45,070
the fourth program is a gallery or exhibit at loomis park. And the recommendation? What was the last one you just posted? The gallery exhibit at
Loomis park.

2961
06:16:49,870 --> 06:16:53,270
and that was also approved at the last commission meeting. And that's $45,000. And then the final item is a pedestal for the historic plaque at miami
Beach bandshell.

2962
06:17:00,510 --> 06:17:00,510
and the recommendation is to appropriate $5,000 from the general fund reserves.

2963
06:17:06,910 --> 06:17:06,910
second. We needed to. Commissioner fernandez.

2964
06:17:12,950 --> 06:17:12,950
thank you, mr. Mayor. So on on this budget amendment,
We have the 120,000

2965
06:17:22,870 --> 06:17:22,870
for the crosswalk. Is that correct? Correct. All right,
So I'd like to move to amend the $120,

2966
06:17:31,030 --> 06:17:31,030
$120,000 budget allocation to fund the crosswalk in lummus park to include an additional
Amount of $15,000 to fund the plaque to

2967
06:17:40,960 --> 06:17:40,960
be placed with a crosswalk replica explaining the replica to the public.

2968
06:17:45,920 --> 06:17:45,920
which I hope will be considered after a public hearing,
Which I've placed on the agenda for the city commission meeting on march 18th.

2969
06:17:53,400 --> 06:17:53,400
the extra funds allocated today for the plaque would be returned to the capital budget if
The plaque is ultimately not approved by the city commission after the public hearing on

2970
06:18:02,720 --> 06:18:02,720
march 18th. I move it as amended. Second. Call the vote.

2971
06:18:12,600 --> 06:18:12,600
it is a public hearing. I see no one on zoom. I see no one in the audience requesting to
Speak,

2972
06:18:16,760 --> 06:18:16,760
as amended. I originally had heard commissioner bond and I heard vice mayor mateo-
Salinas.

2973
06:18:21,880 --> 06:18:24,880
all in favor of r seven, as amended. Please say aye. Aye aye. Anyone opposed? Hearing none r7a is approved,
As amended.

2974
06:18:31,080 --> 06:18:31,080
all right. So this is the third amendment to the capital budget. It contains nine items.

2975
06:18:35,290 --> 06:18:35,290
it recommends an increase of the budget of $81.6 million,
And the transfer of $4.3 million between existing projects.

2976
06:18:43,770 --> 06:18:43,770
so the first project is a water main replacement project at dade boulevard.

2977
06:18:47,930 --> 06:18:47,930
there is a the bid came in higher than the budget,
And so the recommendation is to appropriate $1.4 million from an existing project that has

2978
06:18:56,370 --> 06:18:56,370
received alternate funding through a grant. The second program is the stormwater outfalls
Water quality improvement program,

2979
06:19:03,450 --> 06:19:06,650
and that also has a bid that's higher than the budget. Recommendation is to transfer approximately $1.2 million from an existing project that has
Over $18 million.

2980
06:19:13,890 --> 06:19:13,890
so when those dollars need to be replaced, that would be prioritized in the budget.

2981
06:19:18,690 --> 06:19:21,850
the third is a fifth and alto and cctv upgrades. And this is a request for $24,000 to upgrade the system and also to add 70 new licenses
For the new system.

2982
06:19:29,410 --> 06:19:29,410
and this would be funded using available funds and the 15 garage projects that have been
Completed with savings.

2983
06:19:37,580 --> 06:19:37,580
the fourth item is a new waterproofing project at the fifth and alton garage,
And 285,000 would be appropriated using available parking funds.

2984
06:19:47,780 --> 06:19:51,420
the fifth item is the bayshore neighborhood traffic calming project. This project has a bid that's higher than the budget by $1.3 million.

2985
06:19:56,420 --> 06:19:56,420
the recommendation is to transfer funds from an existing transportation project in order
To move forward with this project.

2986
06:20:03,580 --> 06:20:07,140
the sixth project is the normandy island neighborhood. Traffic calming. This the budget is actually under by 100,000.

2987
06:20:10,180 --> 06:20:10,180
and the recommendation is also to transfer funds from an existing transportation project
To move forward with this one.

2988
06:20:17,260 --> 06:20:20,980
the seven item is a citywide raised crosswalk intersection. Project cost has come in higher by $231,000,
And there are two available projects that have funding,

2989
06:20:29,060 --> 06:20:29,060
and the recommendation is to transfer of funds to make this project whole.

2990
06:20:33,430 --> 06:20:36,590
the eight item is a rainbow crosswalk that just got approved. So in the operating budget, we transfer the funds from the general fund to the paygo
Funds,

2991
06:20:41,230 --> 06:20:44,430
and now we're appropriating those dollars in the capital budget. And it would be amended to add the 15,000 that commissioner fernandez just requested.

2992
06:20:50,150 --> 06:20:52,830
and then the final item is a geo bond tranche two. So at the last city commission meeting, the commission approved the declaration of intent
To issue additional tranche two bonds.

2993
06:20:59,950 --> 06:20:59,950
and this would go ahead and allocate those dollars in the fy 26 budget for tranche two of
Infrastructure bonds in the geo bond.

2994
06:21:09,430 --> 06:21:09,430
mr. Commissioner. Magazine. To me, and this is a question for you.

2995
06:21:16,510 --> 06:21:16,510
I'm not sure what department will be able to step up,
But one of those was for the fifth and alton garage,

2996
06:21:22,870 --> 06:21:25,990
is that correct? There were two. Can you repeat those? Yes. So there's an alton road, fifth and alton elevator.

2997
06:21:31,800 --> 06:21:31,800
exterior waterproofing. That's waterproofing and restoration of the exterior services,
And the other one is for closed circuit tv upgrades.

2998
06:21:40,400 --> 06:21:44,240
right. So I think that's different than the other garages. Correct? Well, it's within the garage. It's within the garage.

2999
06:21:48,040 --> 06:21:48,040
okay. So can you I don't think it's you, but can somebody else explain our ownership of
That garage that we're paying for the

3000
06:21:57,320 --> 06:21:57,320
waterproofing? So I can tell you that we have a joint a joint relationship with them,
And we have 48%,

3001
06:22:05,520 --> 06:22:09,320
and then the rest is owned by the contractor. Thank you. And where I'm going with this is the maintenance and operation of those
Elevators has been dreadful.

3002
06:22:17,360 --> 06:22:20,600
dreadful. It's my understanding that's not us doing that. That's the private owner. They're down for days.

3003
06:22:27,060 --> 06:22:27,060
I heard a veteran was stuck in there, and I've been working with the property management
Group and shout out to my lewis,

3004
06:22:34,740 --> 06:22:34,740
who has been just hell bent on trying to move this entity forward,
But we're having little luck.

3005
06:22:43,100 --> 06:22:43,100
you know, the elevators get repaired and then they go down a week later and it's just this
Repeating cycle with no end in sight,

3006
06:22:50,940 --> 06:22:50,940
and just want to see why we have responsibilities like waterproofing repair,
But perhaps not for the elevators or vice

3007
06:23:00,380 --> 06:23:00,380
versa. And then also several months ago came before us,
I believe it was eden that was here.

3008
06:23:09,900 --> 06:23:09,900
and there was a partnership with a local group to activate the rooftop up there.

3009
06:23:15,500 --> 06:23:15,500
and it's my understanding, perhaps publix has been very lackadaisical in signing off.

3010
06:23:22,540 --> 06:23:22,540
and I guess just since we're talking about the fifth street garage and about the allocate
What,

3011
06:23:28,630 --> 06:23:28,630
200,000 300,000 285,002 85 for the water. If we have any type of leverage there.

3012
06:23:38,190 --> 06:23:38,190
liz. Good afternoon everyone. Elizabeth muro,
Assistant director for the fifth and alton garage.

3013
06:23:45,230 --> 06:23:45,230
we are responsible for 46 of percent of any of the capital improvements.

3014
06:23:50,750 --> 06:23:53,830
and so these costs that you're seeing here is just the city's portion. There is another portion that the contractor would be able to provide as well.

3015
06:23:57,270 --> 06:23:57,270
but talk to me more comprehensively like they do the improvements and just send us a bill
That's pro rata allocated.

3016
06:24:04,950 --> 06:24:04,950
correct. What can we do to push them along for better operation of the elevators?

3017
06:24:13,750 --> 06:24:13,750
so we've actually been working with them, and we want to find a long term solution to have
These elevators repaired with them as well as with schindler,

3018
06:24:21,670 --> 06:24:24,560
which is their contractor servicing the elevators. They are responsible for all operating costs associated with the maintenance of the
Garage.

3019
06:24:30,840 --> 06:24:34,760
okay. Can we do things to push harder on that? I mean, this is a daily complaint that I'm getting from residents in that area.

3020
06:24:42,000 --> 06:24:42,000
it just leads to this run down sense. And that really is like the community hub in that
Area.

3021
06:24:49,400 --> 06:24:49,400
it's a really bad look. So especially if we have a jv there,
It's an even worse look that even though we may not be an operational control,

3022
06:24:57,920 --> 06:25:00,480
that we have some sort of culpability in that. And then to the second point, are you familiar with that contract about activating the
Rooftop?

3023
06:25:06,880 --> 06:25:10,760
yes. The court that they're installing on the on the last floor. Yes, yes. Do you know where that contract stands?

3024
06:25:14,440 --> 06:25:14,440
I believe it's been executed. Perhaps parking can speak better.

3025
06:25:18,560 --> 06:25:18,560
there we go. Good afternoon. The the agreement is with legal.

3026
06:25:25,610 --> 06:25:25,610
I believe it's in revisions right now and then to be submitted back to edens and the pedal
Court with our legal.

3027
06:25:33,330 --> 06:25:33,330
correct. It's really prioritize that because this was approved months ago.

3028
06:25:39,970 --> 06:25:39,970
and that's a tremendous community amenity. So I hate hearing things just like languish and
Languish internally here.

3029
06:25:48,410 --> 06:25:48,410
so whatever department it's at, I will forward right away.

3030
06:25:55,690 --> 06:25:55,690
tamika. Yes, to the vice mayor. Commissioner suarez.

3031
06:26:00,450 --> 06:26:00,450
the the when you say that the that the bid came in like $1 million over what was
Projected,

3032
06:26:10,650 --> 06:26:10,650
can you explain that? Right. So when we appropriate dollars for a project,
It's an estimate.

3033
06:26:15,890 --> 06:26:19,460
and so normally there's a design for the project and then there's a bid. So when the bids come in the department, who's responsible?

3034
06:26:23,220 --> 06:26:23,220
compare that to what was appropriated in the budget. And then if there's a gap,
Can you list again?

3035
06:26:27,700 --> 06:26:27,700
what are the ones that came over? Sure. Estimated bid.

3036
06:26:35,060 --> 06:26:35,060
so the water main replacement at dade boulevard,
And that was $1.4 million.

3037
06:26:40,340 --> 06:26:42,540
there's a stormwater outfalls, water quality. What was the estimated? So the estimate was 6.49 million.

3038
06:26:47,420 --> 06:26:47,420
6.49 million. The adopted budget. And then it came in at it came in at 7.92.

3039
06:26:53,060 --> 06:26:53,060
fully funded. Okay. The second was the stormwater outfalls,
Water quality improvements.

3040
06:26:57,420 --> 06:26:57,420
and the bid came in higher by 1.18. The original was

3041
06:27:10,620 --> 06:27:10,620
and it's stormwater. What? It's the stormwater outfalls,
Water quality improvement.

3042
06:27:17,310 --> 06:27:17,310
and so the original budget was 2.8. And there's a need for another 1.18.

3043
06:27:23,230 --> 06:27:26,550
so that gets it to $4 million. Okay. All right. The next one is the the cctv at fifth and alton.

3044
06:27:30,750 --> 06:27:30,750
this is not really an increase. It's like the increase of scope of the project to add
Technology. So I'll skip that one.

3045
06:27:36,430 --> 06:27:36,430
the bayshore neighborhood traffic calming that went up by 1.3.

3046
06:27:41,150 --> 06:27:41,150
the original budget was 2.5 million. And the traffic calming project,
The original budget was 1.8.

3047
06:27:49,830 --> 06:27:49,830
and they need 100,000 more. So how can we be,
You know, how is it off by $1 million on some of the first,

3048
06:27:57,670 --> 06:27:57,670
like the water main? I'm assuming this goes through procurement,
Correct?

3049
06:28:03,670 --> 06:28:03,670
correct. Yeah. I don't know, I just it seems like,
You know, to be $1 million, you know,

3050
06:28:13,630 --> 06:28:13,630
it's it's 6 million, but then it ends up being 7.9 million.

3051
06:28:17,800 --> 06:28:17,800
I mean, that's that's significant because what we budgeted for is what we plan.

3052
06:28:25,440 --> 06:28:25,440
do other cities have a rule where if, you know,
If a bid comes in and it's too high, you go back out for possibly a second round?

3053
06:28:36,440 --> 06:28:39,920
yes. John norris, director of public works, commissioner suarez. That can happen. We can reject bids. But we also see that often that those additional bids
Will

3054
06:28:49,920 --> 06:28:49,920
come in higher. I can't say scientifically that happens every time.

3055
06:28:55,880 --> 06:28:55,880
since covid hit, construction prices have been all over the place.

3056
06:29:00,600 --> 06:29:00,600
our engineers give a probable cost estimate when they're doing design,
And we base our budget off of that estimate,

3057
06:29:08,520 --> 06:29:08,520
and they're basing that estimate off of previous bids from previous projects.

3058
06:29:13,290 --> 06:29:13,290
so there really is a lot of work put into coming up with a budget for a project.

3059
06:29:18,970 --> 06:29:22,410
but sometimes the bids just come in the way they are. Might just depend on how much work is out there currently.

3060
06:29:25,850 --> 06:29:25,850
maybe there's just not aren't a whole lot of contractors out there bidding on the job,
So it's not quite as competitive.

3061
06:29:32,890 --> 06:29:32,890
so mr. City manager, you know, for example, that water main replacement that's off by
Almost $2 million.

3062
06:29:38,810 --> 06:29:38,810
how many bids came in on that? So I don't know the specifics on that particular bid.

3063
06:29:47,130 --> 06:29:47,130
I do know for projects over $5 million, we're supposed to be doing an independent cost
Estimate.

3064
06:29:54,930 --> 06:29:54,930
so I'm hoping that we have that in place for that particular project.

3065
06:29:59,050 --> 06:29:59,050
did we? I'm sorry, I can't say for sure. I would have to go back and get back with you on
That.

3066
06:30:10,530 --> 06:30:10,530
good afternoon. Kristi bada chief procurement officer so I'm trying to pull up the data
While we're here,

3067
06:30:15,780 --> 06:30:15,780
but we received approximately 1234567 bids for dade boulevard.

3068
06:30:23,180 --> 06:30:23,180
that's the project we're discussing. Right. And the low bid was estimated to come in
Approximately.

3069
06:30:31,220 --> 06:30:31,220
I don't remember the amount that you all mentioned,
But we did receive a vast amount of bids for this project,

3070
06:30:37,020 --> 06:30:37,020
and that was a low bid offer. And, eric, what did you say about over $5 million?

3071
06:30:42,180 --> 06:30:42,180
what are the requirements? So projects that we are moving forward with that are over $5
Million,

3072
06:30:49,140 --> 06:30:49,140
and maybe david martinez can come up. And yes,
Procurement does check that.

3073
06:30:56,460 --> 06:30:56,460
mr. Manager, we do confirm that the departments do provide the independent cost estimate.

3074
06:31:02,180 --> 06:31:02,180
that is in line with the budget. So before issuing any construction bids that are above $5
Million,

3075
06:31:09,100 --> 06:31:09,100
we do receive an independent cost estimate. The we have a scope issuance form for the
Department to execute that is also executed by budget.

3076
06:31:17,480 --> 06:31:17,480
and then I confirm that we do have the third party construction cost estimate and
Commissioner.

3077
06:31:23,880 --> 06:31:26,480
for what it's worth, I'll give you an example. One that I recall not that long ago when we put out bids,
For example, morris park, that was completed a few months back,

3078
06:31:35,160 --> 06:31:35,160
we received bids with the low bidder being oh,
I want to say it was about below or just at our at our estimate,

3079
06:31:44,040 --> 06:31:47,240
other bids were two, three, $4 million apart. So it's a nuance that when I receive it depends on what's going on in the industry at the
Time,

3080
06:31:53,080 --> 06:31:53,080
how busy contractors are and if, which one of the bidders show up.

3081
06:31:58,200 --> 06:31:58,200
the one that that is putting together a bid that's going to be well over our estimate?

3082
06:32:03,000 --> 06:32:03,000
or are we going to get a bid of the one that's going to be on the estimate? So it's really
There's a lot of variables,

3083
06:32:08,250 --> 06:32:08,250
so there's no algorithm that's going to generate the exact number that any particular
Contractor is going to come up with a number.

3084
06:32:17,730 --> 06:32:17,730
you know, they they they work for contractors.

3085
06:32:22,010 --> 06:32:22,010
in my prior life to the beach and a lot of different things went on in the war room right
Before a bid was due that determined what the number was.

3086
06:32:31,770 --> 06:32:31,770
a lot of it had to do with what competitors were doing,
How busy they were, what kind of risk they thought they were going to have if they really

3087
06:32:39,610 --> 06:32:39,610
wanted the job or not. If they didn't really want it,
You were going to see some pretty exacerbated numbers.

3088
06:32:45,690 --> 06:32:45,690
so a lot of nuances that that come together when bids are put together,
What prevents somebody from underbidding and they win the bid and then they just come

3089
06:32:55,650 --> 06:32:55,650
back with a higher cost? Well, I mean, there's there's arguments out there and there's
Theories.

3090
06:33:00,410 --> 06:33:00,410
theories and, and stipulations that contractors.

3091
06:33:06,900 --> 06:33:06,900
there's contractors that that's their business model. And we,
We encounter those those, you know,

3092
06:33:13,020 --> 06:33:13,020
it's unfortunate, but that's what happens. There's other contractors are not quite that
Way. They come in high right off the get go hoping that they get the bid.

3093
06:33:22,220 --> 06:33:26,220
and there's not industry standard whatsoever where you go,
This is what you bid. This is the cost of the job. There is. And I mean,
You know, I mean, I can ask our city attorney to tell us,

3094
06:33:34,100 --> 06:33:34,100
but our contracts have language. We have built in contingencies that you all approved.

3095
06:33:38,820 --> 06:33:38,820
typically when we approve projects and there's change order language,
There's claim language on how to protect ourselves.

3096
06:33:45,460 --> 06:33:45,460
and I will tell you that we the city, probably like any city,
Spends a great amount of effort fighting those battles on a daily

3097
06:33:55,420 --> 06:33:55,420
basis on every contract, especially when they're very high level risk long durations,
Such as projects that we all know about that are,

3098
06:34:03,580 --> 06:34:06,310
you know, nearby. There's a lot of risk involved. So every contractor is going to they're going to pay for you.

3099
06:34:09,590 --> 06:34:09,590
you hear it all the time, they're going to pay for you. And unfortunately,
A lot of the effort that a project manager or project management team spends on any

3100
06:34:17,750 --> 06:34:17,750
project is continuously defending the city against these type of business practices.

3101
06:34:25,950 --> 06:34:25,950
I'll tell you, david, since becoming acm, I feel you deserve credit for really putting on
Your problem solver hat.

3102
06:34:32,550 --> 06:34:32,550
right. There's some departments I go to here,
And it just starts with culture of difficulty or.

3103
06:34:38,470 --> 06:34:38,470
no. And you have really taken a proactive stance about you know,
Let's see how we how we can work together and get this done.

3104
06:34:47,670 --> 06:34:47,670
so very much noted and recognized. And I'm not saying for this project specifically I'll
Just put it out there into the atmosphere.

3105
06:34:57,910 --> 06:34:57,910
barry sternlicht gave comments live on cnbc two days ago right outside of our convention
Center.

3106
06:35:05,080 --> 06:35:05,080
I'll give a quick nod to. We had 5000 of the most prominent financial professionals in our
City.

3107
06:35:14,080 --> 06:35:14,080
actually, the conference is still going on right now at I connections. Cnbc is
Broadcasting live for the past two days.

3108
06:35:22,000 --> 06:35:22,000
so he did a live on air interview. And this is one of the most prominent well respected
Builders in the world and actually talked about construction costs coming down over the

3109
06:35:31,120 --> 06:35:31,120
past 12 months. So maybe hopefully the days of,
You know, just kind of hearing sorry, construction costs have

3110
06:35:40,840 --> 06:35:40,840
run wild since covid. Hopefully that trend is starting to reverse.

3111
06:35:45,000 --> 06:35:45,000
and I just bring that up again, not talking about any specific project,
But just for you to digest.

3112
06:35:52,640 --> 06:35:52,640
not you specifically. Our team to digest is a sanity check when if we continue to see
These numbers come in over budget,

3113
06:35:59,680 --> 06:35:59,680
that we should double and triple. Question that.

3114
06:36:04,330 --> 06:36:04,330
and if I could go back to the original question of what happens if we get all of the bids
That come in over budget.

3115
06:36:12,410 --> 06:36:12,410
if there's 1 or 2 bids and they're significantly over budget,
Then oftentimes we will cancel all bids and have industry meetings and potentially

3116
06:36:22,330 --> 06:36:22,330
rebid the project. If we get a substantial number of bids that come in and they're all
Closely packed in a certain area,

3117
06:36:30,930 --> 06:36:30,930
then we tend to believe that that's where the market is at that moment in time.

3118
06:36:36,410 --> 06:36:36,410
so, you know, it all depends on the specifics of the bids that come in.

3119
06:36:48,170 --> 06:36:51,610
okay. I move the item. Second. Call the vote. Public hearing. Yes. Seeing no one in zoom. No one in the audience.

3120
06:36:56,250 --> 06:36:56,250
public hearing is closed. I have a motion by commissioner suarez I've,
Seconded by commissioner fernandez.

3121
06:37:02,340 --> 06:37:02,340
r7 be amended with a 15,000. Yes. Okay. All in favor of r7 be as amended.

3122
06:37:10,300 --> 06:37:10,300
please say aye. Anyone opposed? Hearing none,
The item is approved, as amended.

3123
06:37:16,340 --> 06:37:16,340
seven zero r7 be. Thank you. Thank you. Tamika and jason and I thought it would be a good
Time for all of us to give you a shout out.

3124
06:37:23,900 --> 06:37:23,900
getting those homesteaded tax refunds, the $500 out ahead ahead of schedule.

3125
06:37:29,500 --> 06:37:29,500
so thank you. I think they've all been they've all been delivered.

3126
06:37:34,820 --> 06:37:34,820
yes. Thank you. Mayor jason greene chief financial officer I really like to point out the
Finance team,

3127
06:37:39,580 --> 06:37:39,580
the accounts payable group specifically. It's a very small but mighty group that you know,

3128
06:37:43,860 --> 06:37:47,060
we work to issue a lot of checks. They they put in extra time. They understood this was an important initiative of the commission. And we were able to
Get it done about a week earlier than originally scheduled.

3129
06:37:55,020 --> 06:37:55,020
and I believe the last checks were sent out in the mail on friday and hopefully the us
Postal service is not like it was when I was a kid.

3130
06:38:03,310 --> 06:38:03,310
and you get the mail in 1 or 2 days. So hopefully in the next week or so that everyone
Should get their checks.

3131
06:38:09,270 --> 06:38:12,110
and some people have been reaching out checking on that. We check on the list and let them know, but so hopefully very soon everyone will have
Them.

3132
06:38:16,110 --> 06:38:18,150
amazing. I think most people got why they got it. I had some people asking me if their water bill was reduced or something like that,
But yes,

3133
06:38:23,350 --> 06:38:25,710
we did receive some phone calls and we have the ltc. The customer service centers been handling a lot of calls and the accounts payable group,
But we're getting back to all the residents to let them know. Great. Thank you so much.

3134
06:38:32,030 --> 06:38:32,030
thank you so much, mr. Mayor. And I want to encourage everyone that's listening and
Watching to to see informational item one in our agenda,

3135
06:38:41,190 --> 06:38:41,190
which is a handwritten letter that we received from a resident of 72,
A 78 year old resident who just had surgery

3136
06:38:51,110 --> 06:38:51,110
for lung cancer at mount sinai. I person that's disabled and that's been facing many
Challenges.

3137
06:38:59,650 --> 06:38:59,650
and she wrote to us telling us how this money is a miracle and a blessing for her and
Just,

3138
06:39:05,570 --> 06:39:05,570
you know, something that we that we do here,
But that might not seem that significant to us.

3139
06:39:11,650 --> 06:39:11,650
it does have sometimes a very significant and very impactful effect on those who we serve.

3140
06:39:17,730 --> 06:39:17,730
and we put it we put it on the agenda as an informational item.

3141
06:39:22,170 --> 06:39:22,170
just so that all of us and the public could see the impact of this on the least amongst
Us.

3142
06:39:28,690 --> 06:39:28,690
thank you. Thank you. Commissioner. That's a great example.

3143
06:39:33,690 --> 06:39:33,690
okay, let's do r7j77j is accept

3144
06:39:43,570 --> 06:39:43,570
recommendation modification to 63rd street bridge schedule through the mayor commissioner
Bhatt.

3145
06:39:50,010 --> 06:39:50,010
and can I read the co-sponsors quickly. Me commissioner dominguez commissioner,
Monica mateo-

3146
06:39:57,300 --> 06:39:57,300
salinas and commissioner fernandez. I would like to open and continue this item until next
Month.

3147
06:40:04,060 --> 06:40:04,060
we are just waiting for another month's data to confirm what we believe to be accurate,
So that we are all united in our mission.

3148
06:40:12,980 --> 06:40:16,140
so r7j is open and continue to march 18th by acclamation. Mr. Mayor, if I may add, I think the last time this item came up,
There was going to be a community discussion about the item.

3149
06:40:24,060 --> 06:40:28,020
I don't know if that's going to happen before next commission meeting. I think you agree to that, commissioner, but I don't.

3150
06:40:31,100 --> 06:40:33,420
my memory is terrible. I don't remember that. What I do remember is not to say that it didn't happen.

3151
06:40:36,540 --> 06:40:36,540
I just don't recall that. What I do remember very clearly is making sure that we got data
From the bridge tender to

3152
06:40:46,220 --> 06:40:46,220
identify and understand how many charters were coming through.

3153
06:40:50,870 --> 06:40:53,670
and that is why we are opening and continuing. I got a text message from you the night of after the commission meeting.

3154
06:41:01,030 --> 06:41:01,030
before you sound the alarm re charters, please let me work on making changes.

3155
06:41:05,310 --> 06:41:05,310
yes, that's what we're doing. Yeah. But I think I'm pretty sure at the meeting that there
Was going to be at least some sort of community engagement with the with the neighborhood.

3156
06:41:14,830 --> 06:41:14,830
well, there's going to be once we have a plan,
We're going to advise the neighborhood of what is happening.

3157
06:41:21,110 --> 06:41:21,110
we're going to inform charter operators at the marina and the charter operator on indian
Creek that currently has a btr there.

3158
06:41:28,150 --> 06:41:28,150
what the rules are, we have a a noise prohibition there.

3159
06:41:32,350 --> 06:41:32,350
we're going to work with the police to make sure we have marine patrol there for the first
Few weeks to enforce and to educate.

3160
06:41:40,030 --> 06:41:40,030
so we are going to have a comprehensive plan,
But it doesn't seem prudent to have this conversation until we have the data that we have

3161
06:41:46,910 --> 06:41:50,560
asked from, asked for from the coast guard, which is what we're doing. I just respectfully ask, maybe we have a sunshine meeting before then.

3162
06:41:54,640 --> 06:41:54,640
and you can you and I can host it, and we can get buy in from the nearby residents to
Discuss some of the unintended

3163
06:42:03,960 --> 06:42:03,960
consequences. Again, I would like to have any further communications once we have the data
Confirming that the plan that we are putting into place

3164
06:42:13,800 --> 06:42:13,800
is the correct plan. And regardless of any data,
I mean, I'm just assuming that there's going to and I know there's going to be unintended

3165
06:42:22,680 --> 06:42:22,680
consequences. And I think it's important to inform the neighboring residents in north
Beach,

3166
06:42:29,240 --> 06:42:29,240
well, along the 63rd street canal of where it's going to be.

3167
06:42:34,000 --> 06:42:34,000
so I'm hoping to have a community meeting. I do chuckle because I remember once asking you
In our first year about unintended consequences,

3168
06:42:42,160 --> 06:42:42,160
and you said to me, there are no such things as unintended consequences.

3169
06:42:46,240 --> 06:42:46,240
happy to have a community meeting. Jose and I will work on that.

3170
06:42:50,410 --> 06:42:53,450
to outline the plan. And we'll figure it out from there. Can we do that before the item is called at the next meeting?

3171
06:42:57,490 --> 06:42:57,490
we will look at that. It's it's it's going to be a just a resolution or first and second,
I don't remember.

3172
06:43:06,530 --> 06:43:09,410
it's not a resolution. Yeah. We'll look at that. We'll endeavor to make that happen. Okay. Before before it officially gets voted on as a
Resolution.

3173
06:43:17,850 --> 06:43:21,850
as I just said, we will endeavor to make that happen. Yes. And thank you for taking it on. It's commissioner.

3174
06:43:24,210 --> 06:43:24,210
bhatt. It's not an easy issue. Commissioner steinberg when I joined the commission was
Dealing with this, then I was dealing with it. Now it's now it's in your lap.

3175
06:43:31,330 --> 06:43:31,330
so it's a tough issue. But thank you, commissioner suarez,
For highlighting what you just did.

3176
06:43:37,330 --> 06:43:37,330
so we're good. Okay. Thank you. Our five q.

3177
06:43:54,980 --> 06:43:54,980
are five. Q is an ordinance of the mayor city commission of the city of miami beach,
Florida, amending chapter two of the code of the city of miami beach and town

3178
06:44:00,060 --> 06:44:00,060
administration. Article three entitled agencies,
Boards and committees, division 22, entitled miami beach animal welfare committee, section

3179
06:44:06,220 --> 06:44:06,220
2-190.59 thereof entitled composition to modify the composition of the voting members of
The miami beach animal welfare committee by providing for severability

3180
06:44:16,180 --> 06:44:16,180
and an effective date. R5q commissioner dominguez.

3181
06:44:21,180 --> 06:44:21,180
thank you. Presently, the committee has nine voting members,
And two of the members are appointed by local animal welfare

3182
06:44:30,860 --> 06:44:30,860
groups. And I believe there's been a merger. So 1 or 1 of them went away.

3183
06:44:36,100 --> 06:44:36,100
so we need to make an amendment so that the one nonprofit representative will be
Recommended by the miami beach animal advocates,

3184
06:44:45,550 --> 06:44:45,550
inc. And the other one by sobi. Cat spay and neuter.

3185
06:44:50,230 --> 06:44:50,230
and then commissioners would still nominate their appointees for the remaining members.

3186
06:44:56,830 --> 06:44:56,830
so with that, I'll move this item and call the vote.

3187
06:45:02,230 --> 06:45:02,230
motion by commissioner dominguez, seconded by commissioner fernandez. It is a public
Hearing. I see no one on zoom,

3188
06:45:07,110 --> 06:45:10,990
and I see no one in the audience requesting to speak. Mateo- salinas. Yes, commissioner. Suarez. Yes.

3189
06:45:14,590 --> 06:45:14,590
commissioner. Magazine. Yes. Mr.. Dominguez. Yes,
Commissioner.

3190
06:45:19,630 --> 06:45:19,630
bot. Yes. Commissioner. Fernandez. Meow. Mayor.

3191
06:45:24,390 --> 06:45:24,390
mr.. When did you become a comedian? Yes. Second reading public hearing is scheduled for
March 18th.

3192
06:45:33,150 --> 06:45:33,150
the item passes. That was r5q. It's called r5s.

3193
06:45:44,040 --> 06:45:47,600
r5 s is an ordinance of the mayor city commission of the city of miami,
Florida. Chapter two of the code of the city of miami beach,
Entitled administration by amending article two entitled city commission by amending

3194
06:45:52,360 --> 06:45:52,360
section two dash 18 entitled stop the pause policy to establish minimum voting threshold
For the city commission relating to specified projects at advanced stages of completion,

3195
06:46:02,040 --> 06:46:02,040
having an estimated construction cost above the threshold,
And providing for severability and effective date.

3196
06:46:08,520 --> 06:46:08,520
this is a first reading public hearing. It is item r5 s commissioner fernandez.

3197
06:46:14,400 --> 06:46:14,400
thank you, mr. Mayor. This ordinance builds upon the work that we started last fall when
We passed an ordinance requiring a supermajority vote

3198
06:46:24,240 --> 06:46:24,240
before we could pause or change capital improvement projects costing more than $1 million
Once they or once they reach that

3199
06:46:33,360 --> 06:46:33,360
60% design. But the earlier version of the ordinance carved out of many exceptions that in
Reality

3200
06:46:43,330 --> 06:46:43,330
it only applied to a handful of critical infrastructure projects like stormwater upgrades,

3201
06:46:49,930 --> 06:46:49,930
fire flow improvements, water and sewer work.

3202
06:46:54,010 --> 06:46:54,010
the updated proposal that we have before us simplifies things.

3203
06:46:59,050 --> 06:46:59,050
instead of applying the soft deposit only to a narrow category of infrastructure.

3204
06:47:05,090 --> 06:47:05,090
it now uses the full definition of capital projects.

3205
06:47:09,690 --> 06:47:09,690
meaning that all projects in the city's five year capital improvement program would have
To abide by

3206
06:47:19,730 --> 06:47:19,730
by by. Stop the pause. And so what that means is that to to pause or cancel one one of
These projects,

3207
06:47:28,330 --> 06:47:28,330
you'll need a five seventh vote once it hits once.

3208
06:47:32,650 --> 06:47:32,650
if that project is over $1 million and once it hits a 60% design,
You'll need a six seventh vote.

3209
06:47:39,390 --> 06:47:39,390
once they hit 90% design or only a four seventh vote,
Which is what you need today.

3210
06:47:46,270 --> 06:47:46,270
and we're keeping a four seventh vote only for truly unforeseen site conditions.

3211
06:47:51,910 --> 06:47:51,910
but once you spend a certain amount of taxpayers dollars on these large projects,
Once you hit 60% design,

3212
06:48:01,190 --> 06:48:01,190
once you hit 90% design, it should take a little bit more than just a simple majority vote
To stop or change these projects.

3213
06:48:08,790 --> 06:48:08,790
I'm proud to say that we've worked very closely with the inspector general's office.

3214
06:48:14,390 --> 06:48:14,390
in the crafting of this ordinance is supported by miami beach united and by the oversight
Committee.

3215
06:48:21,190 --> 06:48:24,950
and with that, I move the ordinance. Commissioner dominguez. Thank you, commissioner fernandez. You've done such great work on this item,
And I know that the first iteration was fantastic.

3216
06:48:32,390 --> 06:48:32,390
and now to expand it, it is going in the right direction.

3217
06:48:38,200 --> 06:48:38,200
I'd like to offer a friendly amendment. And it is because it's making it seem that we
Can't have any changes after 60%.

3218
06:48:48,040 --> 06:48:48,040
and unless there's a simple majority change and some of the residents feel because of
Examples that have happened in the west avenue

3219
06:48:57,960 --> 06:48:57,960
project and they're all taxpayers, they're not at fault for the changes.

3220
06:49:04,720 --> 06:49:04,720
and they felt that they weren't communicated with us on a consistent basis.

3221
06:49:11,360 --> 06:49:11,360
so if language can be added that after every design phase,
The city will have communication with the taxpayers,

3222
06:49:19,360 --> 06:49:19,360
residents affected in that neighborhood? I think that may make them feel comfortable and
That's

3223
06:49:29,440 --> 06:49:29,440
and that's that's good feedback. But but let me just get input from staff.

3224
06:49:33,890 --> 06:49:33,890
I believe now we have resident input at 30, 60 and 90% phases.

3225
06:49:39,290 --> 06:49:39,290
is that correct? My understanding. So as we go around about the capital project,
It's already worked in that we go out,

3226
06:49:48,650 --> 06:49:48,650
we do community meetings. We started early on at the 30% design phase,
Then 60% design phase,

3227
06:49:57,250 --> 06:49:57,250
and then 90% design phase, which is pretty much right before we break ground permitting or
We're permitting it.

3228
06:50:04,130 --> 06:50:04,130
so can we incorporate if we don't have that codified,
Perhaps, and residents are still concerned.

3229
06:50:09,770 --> 06:50:09,770
I specifically heard from the neighborhood resiliency projects committee why it wasn't
Sent to them for discussion.

3230
06:50:17,730 --> 06:50:17,730
and at least four members of the group were concerned that communications weren't in place
Between first and second reading.

3231
06:50:24,450 --> 06:50:24,450
can we have them hear this out, too? Sure. Yeah.

3232
06:50:28,650 --> 06:50:28,650
okay. Yeah. And then that way you hear from the horse's mouth the language that they
Wanted added in here?

3233
06:50:33,940 --> 06:50:33,940
sure, sure. Happy. Happy to get input from. Okay,
I'll second the item.

3234
06:50:41,540 --> 06:50:41,540
for the for the record, our big push in in our projects is really at the beginning when
We're developing the design,

3235
06:50:48,940 --> 06:50:48,940
reaching out to the community, getting their input. It's very difficult to get concurrence
On everything we do.

3236
06:50:57,580 --> 06:50:57,580
and that's really where we approach either design review board or historic preservation
Board.

3237
06:51:02,740 --> 06:51:02,740
and those become part of the record. And on top of all of the public outreach that we do,
Once we get to 90%,

3238
06:51:10,100 --> 06:51:13,900
it's really technical items in the drawings that we're developing. So the the outreach drops down a little bit at 90 where we're not sharing as much just
Because now we're working on actual permit drawings,

3239
06:51:21,860 --> 06:51:21,860
it's not designed anymore. And the next neighborhood resiliency projects meeting is march
12th at 4:00.

3240
06:51:30,230 --> 06:51:30,230
and perhaps I see the the inspector general is sitting in the audience.

3241
06:51:34,470 --> 06:51:34,470
I know that the office of the inspector general regularly attends the gop oversight
Committee meetings,

3242
06:51:42,070 --> 06:51:42,070
and this has been a true partnership between this committee,
A partnership with the inspector general's office.

3243
06:51:48,070 --> 06:51:48,070
perhaps, mr. Inspector general, if you could attend that neighborhood resiliency committee
Meeting so that you can present to them the audience got feedback from them.

3244
06:51:58,270 --> 06:52:00,990
would that be something you'd be willing to do? Yes. Commissioner joseph centorino, inspector general,
Would be happy to, to have staff at that meeting and,

3245
06:52:06,390 --> 06:52:06,390
and explain that because they have concerns of things that we should consider.

3246
06:52:11,790 --> 06:52:15,110
I'd love to. I love for your office to be a part of that discussion. We're always in favor of that kind of input,
So we'd be happy to do it.

3247
06:52:18,590 --> 06:52:18,590
yeah. And I'm ultimately going to, you know,
Support the guidance of the inspector general.

3248
06:52:24,590 --> 06:52:28,400
he's been a pivotal part of the crafting of this policy. And so we'll attend the meeting. I'm going to follow the guidance that the ig provides as
To the direction that the policy should take.

3249
06:52:38,160 --> 06:52:38,160
thank you. We have a motion and a second. Yes,
I do, and it is a public hearing.

3250
06:52:44,880 --> 06:52:44,880
and I have someone on zoom. Okay. The first caller is has a screen name of colin.

3251
06:52:50,120 --> 06:52:50,120
user six, please state your name. Hi. Good afternoon.

3252
06:52:59,960 --> 06:52:59,960
my name is matthew and I'm calling in to comment about this ordinance.

3253
06:53:05,400 --> 06:53:05,400
I think that amending the stop the pause policy is found fiscal fiscal policy.

3254
06:53:13,160 --> 06:53:13,160
we have projects throughout the city that in some cases have reached 100% design and
Permitting,

3255
06:53:20,480 --> 06:53:20,480
and yet there still are last minute efforts to cancel them.

3256
06:53:25,930 --> 06:53:25,930
we have one example on today's commission, in fact,
Which is co-sponsored by the the sponsor of this this ordinance to stop the pause.

3257
06:53:35,410 --> 06:53:35,410
so I think that I would just ask for that same courtesy.

3258
06:53:40,290 --> 06:53:40,290
this project is 100% designed, permitted, ready for construction.

3259
06:53:45,650 --> 06:53:45,650
I know the inspector general has issued some concerns about the interference in that
Project in the past.

3260
06:53:53,570 --> 06:53:53,570
and then secondly, the other portion of that that resolution which would cancel another
Project under construction is actually scheduled to go to

3261
06:54:03,530 --> 06:54:03,530
the design review board, which is an important place to receive more community feedback.

3262
06:54:07,890 --> 06:54:07,890
I believe it's on the agenda for the march design review.

3263
06:54:12,690 --> 06:54:12,690
review, excuse me, review board agenda and should be heard there as well.

3264
06:54:17,770 --> 06:54:17,770
so I just want to I want to commend the sponsor for this smart policy.

3265
06:54:23,410 --> 06:54:23,410
and and and I'm supportive of it. Thank you. That concludes the public hearing portion.

3266
06:54:31,300 --> 06:54:31,300
I have a motion by commissioner fernandez, seconded by commissioner dominguez,
As is with a referral to the public to to the to the neighborhood resiliency committee of

3267
06:54:39,900 --> 06:54:39,900
march 12th. But it still comes for second reading.

3268
06:54:45,060 --> 06:54:45,060
yeah. Second. March 18th. Okay, perfect. So call the roll.

3269
06:54:50,140 --> 06:54:50,140
yes. Commissioner magazine. Yes. Vice mayor mateo-
Salinas.

3270
06:54:54,380 --> 06:54:57,180
yes, commissioner bot. Yes. Commissioner fernandez. Yes. Commissioner suarez. Yes. It's me. Commissioner suarez.

3271
06:55:02,020 --> 06:55:02,020
yes. Commissioner. Dominguez. And it says in there that it'll go to the neighborhood
Resiliency committee.

3272
06:55:08,460 --> 06:55:08,460
march 12th. Okay. Thank you. Yes, mayor. Yes.

3273
06:55:12,620 --> 06:55:16,100
motion carries second reading. Public hearing is scheduled for march 18th. That was item r5s. Thank you, commissioner fernandez.

3274
06:55:19,780 --> 06:55:23,720
it's a good item. I think you described a little bit of the amount of work that goes into
It, but I don't even think an item like this. I don't I don't think it does justice to the
Amount of time that I can imagine you spent on it to come to this conclusion.

3275
06:55:32,800 --> 06:55:32,800
so thank you for your efforts. Our. R5.

3276
06:55:45,080 --> 06:55:45,080
r5 p is an ordinance of the mayor city commission. The city miami beach amending chapter
Two of them may be city code entitled administration by amending article three entitled

3277
06:55:51,160 --> 06:55:51,160
agencies, boards and committees by amending division 17 entitled city of miami beach
Commission for women by amending section 2-190.4 thereof,

3278
06:55:58,120 --> 06:55:58,120
entitled composition, to modify the total number of members who serve on the commission
For women and modify the number of members who may be appointed by each member of the city

3279
06:56:05,520 --> 06:56:09,080
commission and providing for severability and an effective date. This is the first reading public hearing. Yes.

3280
06:56:13,200 --> 06:56:13,200
thank you. Mayor. This is at the request of the women's commission themselves.

3281
06:56:19,760 --> 06:56:19,760
they the commission is currently made up of 21 members,
Seven commissioners and the mayor of each appointing three it is found to be a little bit

3282
06:56:29,170 --> 06:56:29,170
unwieldy, and the commission itself has asked to reduce down to a total size of 14 members
And they would reach this size by attrition.

3283
06:56:37,730 --> 06:56:37,730
so no actions need to happen. So I would like to support them in their request.

3284
06:56:42,770 --> 06:56:45,850
I can't move the item, so would somebody else. Okay, then I will move the item second. So I just have a question.

3285
06:56:49,850 --> 06:56:49,850
why? Why is it that they want to reduce the composition?

3286
06:56:54,010 --> 06:56:54,010
they just found it was a lot and people were leaving,
And it wasn't for them.

3287
06:57:00,850 --> 06:57:00,850
okay. Got it. I'll second. Call the vote. It is a public hearing.

3288
06:57:06,570 --> 06:57:06,570
I see no one on zoom. No one in the audience requesting to speak. I have a motion by
Commissioner, seconded by vice mayor monica mateo-

3289
06:57:12,570 --> 06:57:12,570
salinas. Roll call. Vice mayor mateo- salinas.

3290
06:57:17,130 --> 06:57:19,620
yes. Commissioner. Suarez. Yes. Commissioner. Dominguez. Yes. Commissioner. Magazine. Yes. Commissioner.

3291
06:57:22,780 --> 06:57:25,420
bhatt. Yes. Commissioner. Fernandez. Yes. Mayor. Minor. Yes. Motion carries. Second reading. Public hearing is scheduled for march 18th.

3292
06:57:29,860 --> 06:57:29,860
that was item r5 p. Thank you, commissioner barton,
For all the work that our committees do for our city.

3293
06:57:36,900 --> 06:57:36,900
c7 you. C7 you has discontinued north meridian avenue and chase avenue multi use path
Projects.

3294
06:57:47,020 --> 06:57:47,020
it was separated by the vice mayor mateo- salinas c7 you.

3295
06:57:53,700 --> 06:57:53,700
commissioner. Mateo- salinas. Sure. So I just want to have a discussion about this a
Little bit because I think that we got a lot of

3296
06:58:03,580 --> 06:58:03,580
emails about this, and some folks were caught off guard by this.

3297
06:58:08,820 --> 06:58:08,820
so I just want to have a open and transparent discussion about this path and what we
Should do moving forward,

3298
06:58:17,950 --> 06:58:17,950
mr. Mayor respectfully, I told a few members of the community that this would be called
After five because usually the consent agenda items get called after five.

3299
06:58:26,550 --> 06:58:26,550
can we just table this for 20 more minutes? Sure.

3300
06:58:32,110 --> 06:58:32,110
okay. Try to give me the heads up on that. Okay.

3301
06:58:44,030 --> 06:58:44,030
yes. Second.

3302
06:58:56,590 --> 06:58:56,590
let's call r5 n nancy n as in nancy? Yes. Okay.

3303
06:59:06,110 --> 06:59:06,110
r5 n is the daughter of the mayor. City commission of the city of miami,
Florida. Any subpart a of the city code entitled charter by amending charter two entitled

3304
06:59:13,590 --> 06:59:13,590
administration by amending article three entitled agencies,
Boards and committees by amending division four entitled budget advisory committee by

3305
06:59:20,480 --> 06:59:20,480
amending section two, dash 41 thereof entitled established purpose,
Powers, duties, composition by amending the name,

3306
06:59:26,440 --> 06:59:26,440
purpose and powers and duties of the committee and providing for severability and
Effective date.

3307
06:59:32,800 --> 06:59:32,800
this is a first reading public hearing. It is item r5n commissioner magazine.

3308
06:59:38,040 --> 06:59:38,040
excellent. Something you know, our we have such tremendous resources in the city of miami
Beach,

3309
06:59:44,960 --> 06:59:44,960
and many of them make up our boards and committees,
And we've since the all been in unison about wanting to be more disciplined in our

3310
06:59:53,240 --> 06:59:53,240
spending up here. And that's really been shown through various discussions,
Efforts.

3311
06:59:58,800 --> 07:00:02,760
commissioner. But I think you were telling me some of your friends even call you tanya. Don't know if I'm right about that. Only in my nightmares,
I kid, but this is a way,

3312
07:00:12,970 --> 07:00:12,970
one of the things that really surprised me going through the first two budget cycles,
And it took me a year to kind of catch on,

3313
07:00:19,890 --> 07:00:19,890
was we spent so much time discussing incremental spending that is commission driven year
Over year,

3314
07:00:29,290 --> 07:00:29,290
and that really, while that's super important because every dollar that gets added to a
Government budget is not unique to miami beach,

3315
07:00:38,210 --> 07:00:38,210
but it becomes very difficult to get rid of that,
And we can all attest to that fact.

3316
07:00:44,330 --> 07:00:44,330
but what really there wasn't a focus on was all the cumulative spending that led up to
That period.

3317
07:00:51,450 --> 07:00:51,450
right? So, for instance we're talking $1 billion budget.

3318
07:00:55,650 --> 07:00:55,650
we looked at an incremental 30 to $40 million of spending that was commission driven over
The past year,

3319
07:01:03,210 --> 07:01:03,210
and we had about $4 million to do so. So we had to figure out how to fit $30 million into
A $4 million hole.

3320
07:01:09,690 --> 07:01:13,180
and that generated some spirited conversations. But when we're really looking at making a difference in our agenda,
We can't just do so through new spending.

3321
07:01:21,820 --> 07:01:21,820
we really have to analyze how we got here. And I think our budget advisory committee is a
Great resource to

3322
07:01:31,500 --> 07:01:31,500
do to take on that task and effort. Similar to us,
They would only analyze new spending that was being proposed and what they

3323
07:01:41,460 --> 07:01:41,460
would agree with. But I really want to kind of take the handcuffs off and allow them
Because we have a finite amount of resources up here.

3324
07:01:50,220 --> 07:01:50,220
these are very well credentialed individuals that are willing to serve our city.

3325
07:01:56,740 --> 07:01:56,740
and I think that they could really dig into some of the details of how we got to $1
Billion budget and essentially recommend a whole

3326
07:02:06,700 --> 07:02:06,700
list of efficiencies. That is then brought to us and we could propose as part of our
Budget cycle.

3327
07:02:18,910 --> 07:02:18,910
any comments? We have a motion. I just have a question actually.

3328
07:02:23,230 --> 07:02:23,230
so I love the idea of this. I worry that this is a volunteer position,
And we are giving them a huge scope.

3329
07:02:30,030 --> 07:02:30,030
and for the work to be of value to us, it has to be very in-depth and people have to
Really understand what they're looking at and how.

3330
07:02:39,150 --> 07:02:39,150
how do you propose to support their work to give them the the background,
The resources they need?

3331
07:02:46,830 --> 07:02:46,830
and what is the work product that you can reasonably expect from them?

3332
07:02:51,110 --> 07:02:51,110
so we actually laid that in motion this past budget cycle,
Where we actually directed our finance department to essentially begin

3333
07:03:00,510 --> 07:03:03,590
producing a more line item by line item budget. And we really didn't have too much granularity into that.

3334
07:03:07,010 --> 07:03:07,010
we have these cute graphs that say, okay, 62% of your spending is public safety,
X percent is that.

3335
07:03:14,610 --> 07:03:14,610
but we really didn't get a very granular look until we mandated our city manager come back
And propose cost savings.

3336
07:03:23,530 --> 07:03:27,450
and then we kind of got a line item by line item budget. Tamika and jason, correct me if I'm wrong, but that is something that you are essentially
Preparing.

3337
07:03:33,290 --> 07:03:33,290
right now, when I look at what happens at the state level looking at that,
They have an accounting for where every dollar goes,

3338
07:03:42,450 --> 07:03:42,450
right? Every single dollar. So this will you know,
This is in seven individuals giving all of us their ideas.

3339
07:03:51,690 --> 07:03:51,690
okay. We cut here. We're hoping that the budget advisory committee and tamika,
You can comment,

3340
07:03:58,050 --> 07:03:58,050
but they are a very serious group. You liaise with them every single meeting our team
Attends when possible,

3341
07:04:05,820 --> 07:04:05,820
but essentially give them access to our more granular budget,
And they're able to liaise with you all and look for some of that just

3342
07:04:15,540 --> 07:04:15,540
excessive inefficiency that may exist that up until now,
We really didn't get that granularity into it.

3343
07:04:23,940 --> 07:04:26,380
yes, I would add that we have started that process. So we do it every year on our side. We do not present.

3344
07:04:30,220 --> 07:04:30,220
it's hundreds of pages of documents, but we have for the departments that the vac asks to
See.

3345
07:04:34,900 --> 07:04:38,140
this year we have started providing the line item details. So they did see the package last month. And they have all privileged to go through and
Provide their feedback.

3346
07:04:44,860 --> 07:04:44,860
so, you know, I understand that we tasked the administration to do a line by line line
Item budget because I supported that with you,

3347
07:04:54,220 --> 07:04:54,220
and I am looking forward to working with that. My question was more about this committee
As a group of volunteers,

3348
07:05:01,060 --> 07:05:03,950
what is the work product we expect from them. And so we're going to turn over the budget as it rolls out for departments.

3349
07:05:09,190 --> 07:05:09,190
and they're going to go through it and. And do what exactly.

3350
07:05:14,310 --> 07:05:14,310
like how do they have the historic information,
You know, the understanding of how things work.

3351
07:05:19,190 --> 07:05:19,190
what what are they supposed to produce to provide their recommendations.

3352
07:05:24,110 --> 07:05:24,110
how does this work? I mean, it's a big ask. And for volunteers,
I just want to make sure that we're not setting the scope so broadly that we get back

3353
07:05:32,150 --> 07:05:32,150
something that isn't useful and it's valid points.

3354
07:05:36,510 --> 07:05:36,510
and perhaps we can work together to more formalize what that final output would be.

3355
07:05:43,630 --> 07:05:43,630
but one instance that comes to mind is the the jim guy in the garage.

3356
07:05:48,750 --> 07:05:48,750
right. Where we were paying him ungodly amounts of money for somebody that came here two
Days a week for an hour at a time.

3357
07:05:57,950 --> 07:05:57,950
those are the types of granular line items that they're able to just bring to our
Awareness.

3358
07:06:02,840 --> 07:06:02,840
and if there's an explanation, we go, you know what,
Jim guy is really good for employee morale.

3359
07:06:07,720 --> 07:06:11,640
thank you. But we're keeping that then that's decisions that we could make. It's not as if this is still just an advisory position,
But in my opinion, a granular budget should be

3360
07:06:21,200 --> 07:06:21,200
available to 90,000 residents and anybody else that wants to look at it.

3361
07:06:27,040 --> 07:06:27,040
right. That should be publicly accessible data where people could account for every single
Dollar of where things

3362
07:06:36,920 --> 07:06:36,920
go. This will be a more formalized process where they're still evaluating our incremental
Spending,

3363
07:06:43,320 --> 07:06:43,320
but perhaps they can help us identify some inefficiencies within the billion dollar budget
That got us to this point.

3364
07:06:50,520 --> 07:06:50,520
if I can add, I'll ask tamika to add on to this,
Just to discuss a little about how the bdc currently operates.

3365
07:06:56,240 --> 07:06:56,240
they don't really look necessarily at the incremental budget enhancements they do at one
Point,

3366
07:07:00,490 --> 07:07:04,010
but they do set their own agenda at the beginning of the year. They are given the selection of all the city departments,
And they pick.

3367
07:07:07,250 --> 07:07:11,250
I want the fire department to come this month,
And they come and they go through their budget. Can you maybe explain? That's correct. So we we do that every year.

3368
07:07:15,570 --> 07:07:15,570
what we're doing different this year is that we're going down into the details,
As you had already requested.

3369
07:07:20,970 --> 07:07:24,570
so they are going to see the details just for the departments that they've requested. We meet only once per month. So between now and when we get to share the budget with you
And may we only have a handful of meetings.

3370
07:07:31,130 --> 07:07:31,130
so they've chosen the larger departments police,
Fire, parks, public works, because that's where a lot of the dollars are.

3371
07:07:38,210 --> 07:07:38,210
they actually requested the mayor and commissioners office as well. And so and so each
Department will come and present about their budget.

3372
07:07:45,610 --> 07:07:45,610
and this is even in the prior years this year,
Obviously, as you said, they're getting into a little bit more of the nuts and bolts super

3373
07:07:51,490 --> 07:07:55,130
detail of a department, because you have a police department of $175 million. There's a lot there to unpack. So I think in the past years they've looked at things more
Of a high level budget,

3374
07:07:59,700 --> 07:07:59,700
but more than the commission had time to go through individually.

3375
07:08:04,140 --> 07:08:04,140
so the beak was already kind of doing some of those things. I think maybe with the
Commissioner might be beginning to is right now,

3376
07:08:10,740 --> 07:08:10,740
if they were to make a recommendation and say we've identified something we have concern
With or we like or don't like in the xyz department,

3377
07:08:18,220 --> 07:08:18,220
they would do that through a motion that would then be transmitted via ltc to be
Communicated out to the eye.

3378
07:08:24,260 --> 07:08:24,260
that's how the process would be now. I think this here has maybe that's what the
Commissioner was getting.

3379
07:08:29,820 --> 07:08:29,820
so it has them drafting a document. But if if commissioner magazine,
I think maybe that's something we can,

3380
07:08:37,620 --> 07:08:37,620
if that's what you're alluding to talking about,
Commissioner, but as well. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess my concern is that I've spoken over

3381
07:08:44,020 --> 07:08:44,020
the years to a couple of members of this committee who were very well qualified to do the
Work,

3382
07:08:50,860 --> 07:08:50,860
and their frustrations with it were sort of like,
Yeah, it was informational and we got an overview of where the money goes,

3383
07:08:59,470 --> 07:08:59,470
and that was it. Like these people didn't feel like they were being utilized in any real
Advisory capacity to do anything useful.

3384
07:09:06,830 --> 07:09:06,830
and I think this is an opportunity to get a fresh set of eyes,
To look at things differently than we all do and have done.

3385
07:09:15,150 --> 07:09:15,150
and I just want to make sure that there is something for them to actually do and produce
For us.

3386
07:09:20,190 --> 07:09:20,190
yeah, if I can, I think adding I think tamika mentioned already being adjusted is
Providing them the very much detailed.

3387
07:09:28,430 --> 07:09:28,430
obviously we are every year have to produce a line item detail budget because we have to
Go literally account by account what makes up all those individuals.

3388
07:09:34,950 --> 07:09:34,950
so we have all that data. But giving that to the bcc and letting them kind of chew on that
Beforehand and then the departments present to them and then they can ask any questions

3389
07:09:44,710 --> 07:09:47,670
that they want. What does this tell me a little bit more about this. And perhaps coming out of that, that will give them more to chew on and more to digest and
Give some recommendations.

3390
07:09:53,030 --> 07:09:53,030
okay. Thank you. Okay. So with that, I believe commissioner fernandez,
Make a motion.

3391
07:10:01,440 --> 07:10:01,440
yes. I'll second. Commissioner ivan. Yes. So I had a motion from you and a second from
Commissioner.

3392
07:10:12,960 --> 07:10:16,440
so it is a public hearing. I see no one in zoom,
No one in the audience. I call the roll. Yes, commissioner suarez. Yes,
Commissioner.

3393
07:10:20,280 --> 07:10:20,280
magazine. Yes. Commissioner. Fernandez. Yes. Commissioner dominguez.

3394
07:10:24,360 --> 07:10:27,560
yes. Vice mayor mateo- salinas. Yes, commissioner. Bart. Yes. Mayor. Minor. Yes. Motion carries.

3395
07:10:30,600 --> 07:10:30,600
second reading. Public hearing is scheduled for march 18th. That was item r5 n r5 n.

3396
07:10:41,840 --> 07:10:41,840
r5 m is an order of the mayor city commission of miami beach,
Florida, entitled building regulations by amending article seven entitled permits applied

3397
07:10:48,200 --> 07:10:48,200
for or on or after march 1st, 2022 by amending division two,
Entitled demolition by amending section 14 dash four two,

3398
07:10:55,210 --> 07:10:55,210
one thereof entitled notice of demolition to affected persons by creating section 14 422
Thereof entitled one way trapdoor installation prior to demolition and providing for

3399
07:11:05,170 --> 07:11:07,850
severability, clarification and an effective date. This is a first reading public hearing. It is item r5 m.

3400
07:11:13,250 --> 07:11:13,250
commissioner dominguez. Thank you. The ordinance was requested by the animal welfare
Committee in september of last year.

3401
07:11:21,010 --> 07:11:21,010
there's been a significant increase in the number of demolitions in recent years,
And the city regulates the demolition process in order to protect

3402
07:11:30,810 --> 07:11:34,490
the health, welfare and safety of the residents. The demolition of the buildings, the facilities and structures do endanger pets and other
Animals that may get trapped in the crawl space beneath the building,

3403
07:11:43,690 --> 07:11:43,690
unless a one way trap door is installed at the entry point of the crawl space at least 14
Days prior to any demolition,

3404
07:11:52,390 --> 07:11:52,390
and the. This particular ordinance has an adjusted fine schedule,
And I'd like to move the item.

3405
07:12:00,190 --> 07:12:00,190
second. Let's call the vote. It is a public hearing.

3406
07:12:04,270 --> 07:12:07,070
I see no one on zoom, no one in the audience requesting to speak. Speak. I have a motion by commissioner dominguez,
Seconded by commissioner suarez. Vice mayor mateo-

3407
07:12:12,030 --> 07:12:15,990
salinas. Yes, commissioner. Fernandez. Yes. Commissioner magazine is a yes. Commissioner. Dominguez. Yes. Commissioner. Suarez.

3408
07:12:19,350 --> 07:12:19,350
yes, commissioner. Bot. Yes. Mayor. Minor. Yes.

3409
07:12:23,670 --> 07:12:23,670
and carried. Second reading. Public hearing is scheduled for march 18th. That was r5 m.

3410
07:12:37,590 --> 07:12:37,590
r5 f r5 mayor f f. That's fernandez right. R5 f is an order

3411
07:12:47,590 --> 07:12:49,920
to of the mayor north of the city of miami beach. Year 2025 comprehensive plan pursuant to state coordinated review process of section 163
.3184,

3412
07:12:56,760 --> 07:12:56,760
subsection four, florida statutes by amending goals,
Objectives, policies, and document titles of the comprehensive plan,

3413
07:13:03,160 --> 07:13:03,160
including the following elements resilient land use and development,
Transportation, housing,

3414
07:13:07,360 --> 07:13:07,360
public school facilities, and capital improvement pursuant to florida administrative code
Rule 73 c49 as section 163.3191 florida

3415
07:13:17,280 --> 07:13:17,280
statutes and title evaluation and appraisal of comprehensive plan,
Incorporating necessary amendments reflecting changes in state law and updating the

3416
07:13:24,080 --> 07:13:24,080
comprehensive plan based on changes in local conditions since the last updated based on
The evaluation appraisal report.

3417
07:13:29,760 --> 07:13:29,760
updated adopted on october 16th, 2019, providing for inclusion of the comprehensive plan,
Transmittal of ability and an effective date.

3418
07:13:38,080 --> 07:13:38,080
this is a first reading public hearing. It is item r5 f mr.

3419
07:13:42,520 --> 07:13:42,520
mayor commissioner fernandez. This is just an ordinance that we have to do to comply with
State law that requires us to review the comprehensive plan every seven years.

3420
07:13:51,890 --> 07:13:55,450
and our planning department and our planning director has worked on this. And with that, I move this item. Okay. So I'm going to say.

3421
07:14:03,770 --> 07:14:03,770
so. There is a public hearing. I see no one on zoom and no one in the audience requesting
To speak.

3422
07:14:10,410 --> 07:14:13,770
if no discussion. May I call the roll? Call the vote. Motion by commissioner fernandez, seconded by commissioner magazine commissioner.
Magazine. Yes. Commissioner. Dominguez. Yes.

3423
07:14:20,010 --> 07:14:22,130
vice mayor. Mateo- salinas. Yes. Commissioner. Fernandez. Yes. Commissioner. Bok. Yes. Commissioner.

3424
07:14:24,810 --> 07:14:24,810
suarez. Yes. Mayor. Miner. Mayor. Yes. Thank you.

3425
07:14:31,330 --> 07:14:31,330
second reading. Public hearing is scheduled for april 22nd.

3426
07:14:40,050 --> 07:14:40,050
r5 r. R5 is north of the mayor city commissioner miami beach,
Making up part

3427
07:14:50,020 --> 07:14:50,020
a of the city code entitled general ordinances by amending chapter ten entitled animals by
Creating section ten dash 21 entitled interference with trap neuter vaccination return

3428
07:14:57,740 --> 07:14:57,740
activities prohibited definitions. Penalties to prohibit interference with specified trap
Neuter vaccination return activities.

3429
07:15:04,860 --> 07:15:07,660
providing for severability and effective date. R5 r is a first reading public hearing. Commissioner dominguez.

3430
07:15:17,780 --> 07:15:17,780
okay, so this came from the animal welfare committee as well.

3431
07:15:22,420 --> 07:15:22,420
and by adopting the proposed ordinance which prohibits feeding,
Interference, trap tampering and harassment of caretakers and volunteers,

3432
07:15:32,060 --> 07:15:32,060
the city seeks to ensure uniformity and alignment with miami-dade county's community.

3433
07:15:37,140 --> 07:15:37,140
cat program while strengthening humane cat management practices within the city.

3434
07:15:43,310 --> 07:15:43,310
the city recognizes that interference with authorized nvr trap neuter vaccination return
Activities,

3435
07:15:50,390 --> 07:15:50,390
including feeding, interference, trap tampering,
And harassment of caretakers and volunteers undermines the city and the county's goals

3436
07:15:58,870 --> 07:15:58,870
related to humane animal treatment. So with that,
I'll move the item.

3437
07:16:03,230 --> 07:16:03,230
second. Mr.. Well, madam vice mayor, commissioner sparks,
Maybe mark can answer this.

3438
07:16:10,310 --> 07:16:10,310
so thank you. If there is, you met commissioner dominguez,
You mentioned if there's cat feeding,

3439
07:16:17,550 --> 07:16:17,550
right? Would it include cat feeding or feeding of animals?

3440
07:16:24,270 --> 07:16:24,270
yes. So, for example, you know, there's a cat feeder who regularly comes by my
Neighborhood and just dumps a pile of cat food on the

3441
07:16:33,750 --> 07:16:33,750
sidewalk. And if I clean it up or I say, hey,
Look, you know, can you find another area to put this is that does that constitute

3442
07:16:44,520 --> 07:16:44,520
a penalty? No, this is only for specified tnr activities that are authorized by the city
And conducted by the city.

3443
07:16:54,520 --> 07:16:54,520
okay. I just want to make the ordinance does is that it prohibits somebody feeding in a
Manner that interferes with tnr activities.

3444
07:17:04,480 --> 07:17:04,480
okay, so if somebody's feeding while there's a vr activity taking place,
That would be violation.

3445
07:17:09,480 --> 07:17:09,480
got it. Okay. Thanks for that clarification. Does this commissioner mark,
Does this

3446
07:17:19,560 --> 07:17:19,560
address penalties for people who are interfering with this or harassing authorized cat
Feeders?

3447
07:17:26,800 --> 07:17:26,800
yeah it does. It has penalties pursuant to the section section ten two and their fines
Based on a first,

3448
07:17:32,360 --> 07:17:32,360
second or third offense. They're fairly low fines like 50,
100, $200.

3449
07:17:36,760 --> 07:17:36,760
but yes because we actually have somebody in,
In south beach who is not only letting the dog,

3450
07:17:44,810 --> 07:17:44,810
his dog go off leash into the dunes to chase the cats,
And he refers to it as go play with the toys,

3451
07:17:51,450 --> 07:17:51,450
which is dangerous to the animals. It's destructive to the dunes,
But it will eventually end up in somebody getting hurt.

3452
07:17:58,770 --> 07:17:58,770
he is harassing the feeders. He is you know,
And he doesn't seem to care that he's violating various laws.

3453
07:18:08,570 --> 07:18:08,570
so what recourse do we have through this, or do we need to bring something back?

3454
07:18:15,570 --> 07:18:15,570
well, like you said, there might be various law violations. Dogs off leash is one thing.

3455
07:18:19,850 --> 07:18:22,610
if it's interfering with nvr activities would be two. Potentially. Even going through the dunes would be three. So it just depends on exactly
What's happening.

3456
07:18:28,650 --> 07:18:30,810
and the one that commissioner bhatt mentioned. I have alerted the police department and mr. Feldman and the area captains are and park
Rangers are on alert to find that

3457
07:18:40,580 --> 07:18:40,580
person. And if I may, the what you're describing is not covered by this ordinance.

3458
07:18:46,140 --> 07:18:46,140
this ordinance again addresses interfering with activities.

3459
07:18:51,660 --> 07:18:51,660
what you're talking about is somebody interfering with a legitimate cat feeding program.

3460
07:18:55,900 --> 07:18:55,900
so that is addressed by some of the other ordinances that mark mentioned,
Such as dogs off leash or going through dunes.

3461
07:19:02,380 --> 07:19:04,860
but if we want to have something specific. Oh,
Right. Because that's feeding versus denver. Okay. Got it.

3462
07:19:07,340 --> 07:19:07,340
correct. Okay. Thanks. Vice mayor commissioner magazine.

3463
07:19:12,780 --> 07:19:12,780
I'm sure. I'm sorry. I am about to sabotage any type of reelection chances I'll have.

3464
07:19:20,340 --> 07:19:20,340
but I will still ask the question. What is up with the cats at city hall?

3465
07:19:25,980 --> 07:19:25,980
I love him. Some people do, and I, I do. Cat ladies,
Please know I do, but I do get inquiries

3466
07:19:35,720 --> 07:19:35,720
from perhaps other people that do not. And this is also their city hall as well.

3467
07:19:41,840 --> 07:19:41,840
so while they could be appropriate in parts,
It is very off putting to some people.

3468
07:19:48,280 --> 07:19:48,280
not me, not me at all. And nobody on my team that want to access city hall.

3469
07:19:55,080 --> 07:19:57,600
and there's nine cats laying on the front steps. I personally love it, but there are people that have contacted me and I'll keep them
Unnamed that really question this.

3470
07:20:05,880 --> 07:20:09,560
I'll I'll comment is that there is a colony here at city hall. They're all vaccinated, neutered or spayed, and they usually mind their own business.

3471
07:20:14,880 --> 07:20:18,000
so if somebody wanted to walk to city hall, you could walk right by them. You won't get attacked by a cat. They're licensed feeders.

3472
07:20:22,960 --> 07:20:22,960
feed them twice a day. I mean, we have a better location than on the front of the city
Hall steps.

3473
07:20:31,440 --> 07:20:34,410
I've never understood that. It's your home, joe. Have you ever tried herding cats? Yeah. Yes. Like commissioner suarez?

3474
07:20:44,570 --> 07:20:47,650
no. I'm not. I mean, I don't know. Is somebody. Is this an official program? Is this it is. Yeah.

3475
07:20:53,930 --> 07:20:56,970
if you know commissioner. Yeah, the official cat program. And tell me how public works even factors in.

3476
07:20:59,290 --> 07:21:01,810
you're not the guy I expected to be standing there. Nor am I, but I'm here for this question. My understanding is,
Historically, the cat colonies existed in certain

3477
07:21:10,810 --> 07:21:10,810
locations, and as a cat program evolved from the sobby cat program and the city started
Working with them,

3478
07:21:19,810 --> 07:21:19,810
they kept those colonies and basically feed them where those colonies existed.

3479
07:21:25,890 --> 07:21:29,170
and that's just gone on historically over the years. So to the side of the building would be disrupting the colony.

3480
07:21:34,900 --> 07:21:38,700
I'm sorry. Could you say if we fed them to the side of the building so they're not? So there's literally not nine cats laying on the steps.

3481
07:21:41,980 --> 07:21:41,980
that would be disrupting the colony or. Yes. So they are fed on the side over by taste on
That side.

3482
07:21:49,260 --> 07:21:51,900
that's where the feeding that I see has occurred. So can we can we if you mind, if we can get back on the topic,
Can you give an example of of what would you know.

3483
07:22:01,220 --> 07:22:05,100
it would be prohibited in this in this ordinance? Sure. I guess maybe maybe commissioner dominguez maybe you can. I think you're more
Plugged into the animal welfare committee than I am.

3484
07:22:11,140 --> 07:22:11,140
what what what caused this ordinance to happen?

3485
07:22:15,620 --> 07:22:15,620
I'm assuming there was complaints from some of our trappers.

3486
07:22:21,300 --> 07:22:21,300
and they've been harassed. But give me an example of how this would help them.

3487
07:22:27,060 --> 07:22:31,030
I can't tell you what caused the commissioner. I know I was tasked with drafting it,
Obviously. And, you know, obviously, if you interfere with the feeding,
If you you know, put food that's not authorized to be put there,

3488
07:22:37,310 --> 07:22:37,310
if you were to remove food, if you were to interfere or harass the the cat feeders or
Something,

3489
07:22:43,470 --> 07:22:43,470
those would be violations of the orders. You're not to remove the food,
Not to add additional food,

3490
07:22:48,270 --> 07:22:48,270
not to bother them, not to obstruct them. But I just I just asked the question,
If someone put food in front of my house and,

3491
07:22:55,550 --> 07:22:58,390
and I don't, you know, because my dogs eat it. I mean, dogs always eat the cat food and I always have to tell them no,
You know, is that is how does that I mean,

3492
07:23:05,270 --> 07:23:08,430
you just told me it did. So how does this not tie into that? That would be that would not be prohibited under this ordinance.

3493
07:23:11,350 --> 07:23:11,350
this is for authorized nvr locations, not you just putting food on the sidewalk.

3494
07:23:17,870 --> 07:23:17,870
so to clarify, commissioner, if they're trying to trap a particular cat,
They're going to withhold food and then they're going to use that food to lure

3495
07:23:27,800 --> 07:23:27,800
the cat to the trap. So if somebody goes in the interim and feeds them,
Then it kind of defeats the purpose of withholding the food,

3496
07:23:35,800 --> 07:23:35,800
of baiting them. So that's kind of where this whole thing started.

3497
07:23:40,680 --> 07:23:40,680
okay. Okay. Thank you. Well, I second the. Motion by commissioner dominguez,
Seconded by commissioner fernandez.

3498
07:23:48,800 --> 07:23:52,600
no one on zoom. No one in the audience. May I call the roll? Yes, commissioner. Bhatt. Yes. Commissioner dominguez.

3499
07:23:56,960 --> 07:23:59,920
yes. Mr. Fernandez. Yes. Commissioner suarez. Yes. Vice mayor mateo- salinas. Yes. Commissioner.

3500
07:24:02,760 --> 07:24:06,440
magazine. Yes. Mayor. Minor. Yes. Motion carries. Second reading. Public hearing is scheduled for march 18th. That was item r5r c7 you.

3501
07:24:15,720 --> 07:24:15,720
c7 you is a continuation is discontinue north meridian avenue and chase avenue.

3502
07:24:20,720 --> 07:24:20,720
multi use path projects. It was originally heard at approximately 441.

3503
07:24:31,170 --> 07:24:31,170
commissioner mateo- salinas. So I again, I already I pulled this because we did get a lot
Of emails to support this

3504
07:24:41,010 --> 07:24:44,810
item. Then we got a lot of emails that did not support this item. So I'm a little bit on the fence here, and I want to have a bit more of a discussion about
It and get more information from the administration.

3505
07:24:54,890 --> 07:24:54,890
would you like to hear from the sponsors? Would you like to hear from the sponsors?

3506
07:24:59,090 --> 07:24:59,090
commissioner suarez. Okay, thanks. So I'm opposing the meridian avenue multi-use path
Because it places pedestrians and

3507
07:25:08,410 --> 07:25:08,410
cyclists directly alongside an active golf course,
Fairway in an area where stray golf balls already land beyond the course boundary.

3508
07:25:18,450 --> 07:25:18,450
and trust me, it happens every day. If we have to install large protective net nets to
Prevent

3509
07:25:27,900 --> 07:25:27,900
injuries, that alone tells us that this is the wrong alignment.

3510
07:25:33,780 --> 07:25:33,780
a massive net would certainly be expensive, visually intrusive,
And be completely inconsistent with a world class golf course along a

3511
07:25:43,740 --> 07:25:43,740
residential corridor. And not to mention all the mature trees that would have to be cut
Down to accommodate this.

3512
07:25:53,660 --> 07:25:53,660
second, this project does not prioritize where bikes are actually used daily.

3513
07:25:59,940 --> 07:25:59,940
prairie avenue, for example, kids ride their bikes to beach hai bayshore park and nearby
Schools on prairie and prairie already has bike

3514
07:26:09,740 --> 07:26:09,740
infrastructure to the north of bayshore park.

3515
07:26:14,180 --> 07:26:14,180
if we are serious about safety and safe routes to school,
That is where a protected path actually belongs.

3516
07:26:23,310 --> 07:26:23,310
so we're also talking about soil contamination remediation,
Removal of green space, added hardscape in an area that already floods,

3517
07:26:33,950 --> 07:26:33,950
and a projected budget north of $1.7 million.

3518
07:26:38,470 --> 07:26:38,470
I think, you know, this project got approved in 2016 and it just recently popped up.

3519
07:26:47,870 --> 07:26:47,870
I guess they dusted off the shelves. And when this came to the neighborhood,
I mean, just everyone was vehemently

3520
07:26:57,550 --> 07:26:57,550
opposed to this. This project and rightfully so,
Because when I called the where's john rebar or

3521
07:27:07,710 --> 07:27:07,710
john? John come up. I think when I called you about this the concerns I had

3522
07:27:17,670 --> 07:27:17,670
from our residence was when. When a car, when when a golf ball accidentally hits a car or
A window

3523
07:27:27,640 --> 07:27:27,640
or causes damage, the the golf course isn't liable.

3524
07:27:33,520 --> 07:27:33,520
no one. It's very hard to prove who exactly caused that golf ball to be hit in

3525
07:27:43,320 --> 07:27:46,480
in an error and cause damage. Is that correct? Correct. Yeah. And so the person who gets affected by this is is the resident.

3526
07:27:54,680 --> 07:27:54,680
now, I asked you what would change that. So and if we were to build a ten foot concrete
Path

3527
07:28:07,640 --> 07:28:07,640
replacing green space, could that the bouncing golf ball,
Could that possibly

3528
07:28:17,460 --> 07:28:17,460
affect more errant balls bouncing and hitting cars or pedestrians or property.

3529
07:28:25,100 --> 07:28:25,100
and what you told me was very interesting is that we would be liable,
The city would be liable,

3530
07:28:31,380 --> 07:28:31,380
or the golf course would be liable if you significantly alter the course of or of a golf
Course and make

3531
07:28:41,020 --> 07:28:41,020
fundamental changes that might increase that liability.

3532
07:28:48,220 --> 07:28:48,220
and then you had to I think that was cip. And then cip told you that,
You know, the way they're going to mitigate this is put some more

3533
07:28:57,860 --> 07:28:57,860
trees or netting. Okay. And I just I feel like this

3534
07:29:07,620 --> 07:29:07,620
project, although it started in 2016, we're at the point now where we're considering
Putting up netting and fencing and tearing down trees and

3535
07:29:17,430 --> 07:29:17,430
having to put more trees or different trees for a liability that we don't really know,
Because there's a lot of bad golfers out there,

3536
07:29:26,630 --> 07:29:26,630
and they and they will I certainly don't want to increase the risk of of personal property
Damage,

3537
07:29:37,630 --> 07:29:37,630
personal injury. And especially if we can consider another alternative,
Such as prairie avenue,

3538
07:29:46,030 --> 07:29:46,030
where this would be a much more better path. And so,
Look, we, you know, we have I think

3539
07:29:55,910 --> 07:29:55,910
one caller called in and he said, you know, we have a world class golf course.

3540
07:30:00,870 --> 07:30:00,870
and to remove green space on that for for concrete,
I think is not the right approach.

3541
07:30:11,350 --> 07:30:11,350
so that's what I have to say. Commissioner fernandez is co-sponsor this with me.

3542
07:30:16,880 --> 07:30:16,880
thank you very much. I don't know if you wanted to say something. Yeah,
Sure. And I think you've enumerated so many of the issues so well,

3543
07:30:22,680 --> 07:30:22,680
and I've lived a lot of the history of this project.

3544
07:30:27,080 --> 07:30:27,080
you know, since I want to say, at least with the chase avenue,
34th street, 2013, 2014, we've been hearing about this

3545
07:30:37,880 --> 07:30:37,880
you know, commissioners that were here at the time were working on this delayed.

3546
07:30:42,680 --> 07:30:46,520
commissioner joy malakoff worked, worked on this. And when this went to the community, the residents of the areas have consistently,
Consistently raised concerns

3547
07:30:56,720 --> 07:30:56,720
over more than a decade of the life of conversations about this project.

3548
07:31:01,560 --> 07:31:01,560
I have never seen the neighbors embrace this project.

3549
07:31:06,960 --> 07:31:06,960
and while we want to be supportive of pedestrian and bicycle infrastructure as an
Important goal to expand in our

3550
07:31:16,610 --> 07:31:16,610
city. The proximity of these paths to the golf course raise very legitimate concerns as to
Safety.

3551
07:31:26,730 --> 07:31:26,730
if it is safe for someone for us to build a shared use path so close to the golf course,

3552
07:31:37,050 --> 07:31:37,050
but we already have a path there, just let people use that path.

3553
07:31:42,970 --> 07:31:42,970
but today when people try to use that path, what is it that happens?

3554
07:31:48,170 --> 07:31:48,170
they're kicked off the golf course because they're told that it's not safe for them to be
On that path.

3555
07:31:58,370 --> 07:32:02,250
if it's not safe for them to be on that path,
Then it's no different. If you are 3 or 4ft away from the existing path.

3556
07:32:06,890 --> 07:32:06,890
a path is already there. People are told every day it's not safe for them to walk on that
Path.

3557
07:32:13,180 --> 07:32:13,180
and I don't know how. Removing mature vegetation and constructing another hard surface,
Just 3 or 4

3558
07:32:23,100 --> 07:32:23,100
or five feet away, makes it any safer. The residents are against it.

3559
07:32:29,340 --> 07:32:29,340
I think it's inconsistent. I think we already have existing hard surfaces there that if
Our desire is for there to be a loop,

3560
07:32:38,700 --> 07:32:38,700
well then let's go back to the golf club and tell them,
Hey, listen, you got to let people walk here.

3561
07:32:43,700 --> 07:32:46,780
and then it's everyone at their at their own risk. But the dangers I think there are significant dangers to to,
To putting this infrastructure where it's proposed and

3562
07:32:56,620 --> 07:32:56,620
we're going to be saving money at the at the end of the day by not moving forward with
This,

3563
07:33:00,980 --> 07:33:00,980
the meridian avenue, I think it's $1.9 million that that will be saving the chase avenue
Shared use path.

3564
07:33:08,630 --> 07:33:08,630
david. How much money is the chase avenue shared use path?

3565
07:33:14,710 --> 07:33:14,710
total budget for the chase avenue shared use path is 2.2,
Of which we've expended almost 600,000.

3566
07:33:22,310 --> 07:33:22,310
so we're talking about $4.1 million that we're going to be saving on something that the
Neighbors of the area haven't asked for,

3567
07:33:32,990 --> 07:33:32,990
haven't wanted. And and we have concerns, I have concerns,
I know my neighbors have concerns about the

3568
07:33:42,270 --> 07:33:42,270
safety implications. And I know of of those $2.2,
2.2 million, a portion of it is state funding from fdot.

3569
07:33:51,350 --> 07:33:51,350
so, so and I think it's like, what, 800,700 or for chase,
It's 495,000.

3570
07:33:58,230 --> 07:33:58,230
for meridian it is 750 I'm sorry 701,000. So but we're still going to be saving millions
Of dollars,

3571
07:34:07,200 --> 07:34:07,200
you know, over $3 million. So we're going to be saving for not moving forward with this,
With with this project.

3572
07:34:15,160 --> 07:34:15,160
I feel very strongly that it's inconsistent with the character of this area.

3573
07:34:19,200 --> 07:34:19,200
when you drive down chase avenue. One of the beautiful things about driving down chase
Avenue,

3574
07:34:23,840 --> 07:34:23,840
it is it is the the only 13 homes in miami beach,
The front of the golf course and the have water behind them.

3575
07:34:32,600 --> 07:34:32,600
and the beautiful thing about this section of chase avenue,
Part of it is the beautiful trees,

3576
07:34:37,280 --> 07:34:37,280
the beautiful mature trees that mayor, former mayor,
Niece and carson was talking about earlier how when he was mayor,

3577
07:34:45,760 --> 07:34:45,760
they invested so much time and energy into the trees that have grown into beautiful
Specimens.

3578
07:34:51,880 --> 07:34:51,880
and I went out there the other day with cip,
And we were walking through some of the trees that will potentially be removed,

3579
07:34:59,280 --> 07:34:59,280
and they're trees that they're being removed because they have an inclination.

3580
07:35:04,490 --> 07:35:04,490
well, they've sustained the test of time. They've weathered through storms.

3581
07:35:08,570 --> 07:35:08,570
those inclinations means mean that they've that they've survived the storm and they're
Stronger because of it.

3582
07:35:13,850 --> 07:35:13,850
we're going to just remove the tree because it's it's it's got an inclination to make way
For more concrete.

3583
07:35:21,210 --> 07:35:21,210
so I don't know, I never liked it. The neighbors have never have never liked it.

3584
07:35:25,770 --> 07:35:25,770
I think it's inconsistent to say you can't walk on the golf course and then create right
Next to the golf course,

3585
07:35:32,450 --> 07:35:32,450
parallel to the golf course, another pathway that would be just as dangerous for
Pedestrians and bicyclists.

3586
07:35:39,610 --> 07:35:39,610
mr. Mayor, I promise. Commissioner dominguez and commissioner bhatt.

3587
07:35:43,890 --> 07:35:43,890
thank you. So I'll tell you what's concerning me about these two projects.

3588
07:35:51,050 --> 07:35:51,050
with meridian and we received an equal number of pro and con for the project.

3589
07:35:56,330 --> 07:35:56,330
it's been in the works for ten years. Fdot was giving us a 700,000 for the meridian
Project.

3590
07:36:03,870 --> 07:36:03,870
the city has already spent $300,000 in taxpayer dollars for this.

3591
07:36:08,510 --> 07:36:08,510
it's a 30% design. So again, here's another project where we've spent money.

3592
07:36:15,190 --> 07:36:18,910
it's been worked on for ten years, and we're going to lose the fdot funding. And and the money that's already been spent. The chase avenue project,
It's already in the permitting phase.

3593
07:36:26,190 --> 07:36:26,190
the city is receiving 500,000 from fdot for this,
And we've spent 600,000.

3594
07:36:33,110 --> 07:36:33,110
so between the 600,000 on chase and the 300,000 on meridian,
That's almost $1 million of taxpayer funds that's wasted

3595
07:36:43,150 --> 07:36:45,830
because we would then be canceling this project. So we really need to be better stewards. It's not our fault.

3596
07:36:50,630 --> 07:36:50,630
we're inheriting things from past commissions,
But canceling projects at the 11th hour when we spent so much money of taxpayer funds its

3597
07:37:00,600 --> 07:37:00,600
troubling. Commissioner bhatt. So you know, this is my old neighborhood.

3598
07:37:06,080 --> 07:37:06,080
I raised my girls in that neighborhood for 13 years before moving up to north beach,
And it's changed a lot.

3599
07:37:12,840 --> 07:37:12,840
it it is that stretch of prairie is a speedway.

3600
07:37:19,440 --> 07:37:19,440
it is when it's not home to people racing down it it can get very jammed up.

3601
07:37:26,400 --> 07:37:26,400
and I know that traffic calming is a real concern.

3602
07:37:30,960 --> 07:37:30,960
I, I'm very reluctant to give back money from,
From grants that we've received.

3603
07:37:37,320 --> 07:37:37,320
so I would propose to my colleagues that we move this discussion to neighborhoods to allow
Staff time to consider whether

3604
07:37:47,240 --> 07:37:47,240
there is a way to reallocate the funds to, instead of building a shared use path along the
Golf course,

3605
07:37:54,480 --> 07:37:54,480
which would remove the trees and take away green space,
Which I think nobody is super supportive of,

3606
07:38:01,170 --> 07:38:01,170
and instead use it to do some kind of on the road sharrows or bike lanes on the roads,
Which would

3607
07:38:11,010 --> 07:38:11,010
also serve. So you would still have the bike mobility,
Connectivity.

3608
07:38:15,530 --> 07:38:18,850
it would not interfere with the green space that exists. And it would also serve the additional benefit of being a traffic calming measure by
Narrowing a little bit the way that the where the cars

3609
07:38:28,810 --> 07:38:28,810
could go. I, I would imagine that fdot has strong thoughts on this sort of thing about
Getting money for one project and then reimagining the

3610
07:38:38,490 --> 07:38:38,490
project, but I would like to at least have the conversation before we just say we're
Canceling it completely and handing back this big check when we do have

3611
07:38:48,210 --> 07:38:48,210
a an adjacent set of needs that we could maybe find a way to not move forward with it as
Proposed,

3612
07:38:56,580 --> 07:38:56,580
as the needs have changed as the community has changed,
But move forward with it in a way that actually accomplishes a couple of things that we

3613
07:39:06,020 --> 07:39:09,660
collectively care about. Commissioner fernandez,
Thank you, mr. Mayor and commissioner, you bring up some very good points through the life of the
Discussion of the shared use paths.

3614
07:39:16,540 --> 07:39:16,540
we've actually engaged with fdot and our transportation department has over time,
And these dollars are specifically for protected

3615
07:39:25,620 --> 07:39:25,620
infrastructure. And this fdot grant is very specific about this.

3616
07:39:30,700 --> 07:39:30,700
it is for protected infrastructure. And over the course of the life of this project,
We've talked with fdot about the possibility of doing sharrows and that type of stuff.

3617
07:39:39,980 --> 07:39:39,980
but the focus of these dollars is specifically for the infrastructure to be protected.

3618
07:39:45,740 --> 07:39:45,740
I know, jose, I think you've in the past have had those conversations with with fdot.

3619
07:39:51,780 --> 07:39:55,710
and so what you're proposing, we've had those conversations in the past. We've asked them in the past, I think this isn't this isn't something that I think the
State is going to change their position on because they want the dollar to be for

3620
07:40:04,990 --> 07:40:04,990
protected infrastructure. Infrastructure? Not sharrows where where the bicycles are
Sharing the road with vehicles.

3621
07:40:13,310 --> 07:40:13,310
we've tried having those conversations in the past mr.,
Mayor, commissioner, suarez and commissioner,

3622
07:40:19,110 --> 07:40:19,110
but does bring up a good point. I mean, you know,
We got to replace it with something. I think.

3623
07:40:23,710 --> 07:40:23,710
I think most of us agree here that replacing greenscape with hardscape is not really
Something we want.

3624
07:40:33,750 --> 07:40:33,750
so, you know, how about we bifurcate the two,
We keep this item.

3625
07:40:37,910 --> 07:40:37,910
I'd like to vote on it today. I'd like to give staff direction to to stop this and focus
On other infrastructure projects

3626
07:40:47,630 --> 07:40:47,630
and let's, you know, maybe you can sponsor an item and I'll co-sponsor it or for sharrows
On the street.

3627
07:40:55,440 --> 07:40:58,600
and then we can hopefully find funding for that. But, you know, I totally understand commissioner dominguez's point that,
You know, we've already spent this money,

3628
07:41:04,640 --> 07:41:04,640
but, you know, I don't want to spend good money on bad money spend.

3629
07:41:10,840 --> 07:41:10,840
and I understand that it may seem it may seem penny wise and pound foolish,
But at the end of the day,

3630
07:41:20,640 --> 07:41:20,640
both the neighborhood vehemently opposes this,
And it's a serious safety concern.

3631
07:41:27,200 --> 07:41:27,200
so, you know, I think I think, you know, we can certainly separate the two and come up
With a solution

3632
07:41:37,280 --> 07:41:37,280
moving forward and keep this as is. Commissioner,
Just I have a question.

3633
07:41:43,560 --> 07:41:46,480
the golf course has not been built in the last ten years. So, david, I would ask you if this is a a serious safety concern because of the flying
Golf balls.

3634
07:41:54,530 --> 07:41:54,530
why was this project even approved ten years ago?

3635
07:41:59,490 --> 07:42:03,050
because gravity hasn't changed. Golf balls haven't changed. It's still an issue. We feel confident that the mitigation measures that we are planning
Will resolve the risk of errant golf balls,

3636
07:42:11,290 --> 07:42:14,810
particularly on the path that's close to those safety measures. But it's netting. It's actually further away the closer you are to the landscaping and the
And the netting,

3637
07:42:20,570 --> 07:42:20,570
the more protected you are. But what was there any time at which the community thought
That netting.

3638
07:42:27,810 --> 07:42:30,570
I mean, that is a beautiful part of the city. It's it's green, it's open. It's unencumbered.

3639
07:42:34,090 --> 07:42:34,090
there are no high rises. At what point did the community say,
Yeah, we love the idea of netting.

3640
07:42:39,530 --> 07:42:39,530
never. The netting actually came up in the 30% design for meridian.

3641
07:42:46,250 --> 07:42:46,250
the consultant identified actually looked at it and was fairly comfortable that there
Wasn't a safety concern.

3642
07:42:53,820 --> 07:42:53,820
the netting was added in areas of specific concern as an abundance of caution.

3643
07:43:00,820 --> 07:43:00,820
so hypothetically, the project could go forward without the netting.

3644
07:43:04,900 --> 07:43:04,900
correct. I mean, golf courses around the world invite pedestrians to walk along their,
Their cart paths.

3645
07:43:13,740 --> 07:43:16,860
understanding that you are taking a walk on a golf course. And so, you know, buyer beware. So with, with the golf course chasing people off is that
Because they don't want the,

3646
07:43:26,380 --> 07:43:30,060
the, the liability or what's the deal with that. The, the disadvantage to the use of the golf course is that you won't have the,
The protection of the landscaping along the path.

3647
07:43:37,380 --> 07:43:37,380
the path is open. So there is more risk in the golf path,
The golf cart.

3648
07:43:41,860 --> 07:43:41,860
no, but I mean, even with the existing golf course cart path.

3649
07:43:46,830 --> 07:43:46,830
I'm hearing that the golf course employees chase off walkers is.

3650
07:43:52,150 --> 07:43:55,910
I mean, the walker has a right to be there. No. Or is that a lie? Is that an insurance liability thing that the golf course is saying we
Don't want you here or with,

3651
07:44:01,550 --> 07:44:01,550
with within the boundary of the golf course proper during golf operations hours,
We would never invite people into the cart paths to use them as walking trails.

3652
07:44:09,270 --> 07:44:11,590
that would just be a poor decision to do that. And when people do wander in there or go in there intentionally during golf course hours,
They are asked to leave.

3653
07:44:17,430 --> 07:44:21,350
and it's not only that that if you're familiar with golf courses,
Especially the green areas, are very sensitive areas. You treat, you treat them with golf cart care.

3654
07:44:25,630 --> 07:44:29,390
so we don't want people riding their bicycles and tricycles and stuff on the course. So there's a whole host of reasons why it's just not a great idea and why.

3655
07:44:34,110 --> 07:44:34,110
why couldn't this have been contemplated as why does it have to take up green space?

3656
07:44:39,470 --> 07:44:39,470
why couldn't it be put into the roadway itself,
Even if it were a hardened infrastructure.

3657
07:44:45,490 --> 07:44:45,490
I mean, there again, it's a traffic calming measure. It is actually designed to take place
Within the right of way.

3658
07:44:50,330 --> 07:44:53,850
it's in the swale area of the right of way that's taking up green space. It's not in the golf course itself, but it's still taking up green space.

3659
07:44:58,330 --> 07:44:58,330
so could it not be moved into the road itself to narrow and slow down the speed?

3660
07:45:03,890 --> 07:45:03,890
both of the roads don't have sufficient space to do dedicated bike lanes and keep the
Travel lanes the way they are.

3661
07:45:10,490 --> 07:45:10,490
but wait, wait, wait. Because the 1012 years ago,
The very first option for the shared use path that was presented to the neighbors,

3662
07:45:20,130 --> 07:45:20,130
and I see yolanda sitting in the audience and barry and they may remember it.

3663
07:45:24,690 --> 07:45:24,690
the first option that was presented was not on the golf course or on the right of way.

3664
07:45:29,810 --> 07:45:29,810
it was actually on the street. Correct. It was to make the street one way and to put the
Infrastructure on,

3665
07:45:37,690 --> 07:45:37,690
on the street. And I guess if you know, if that's what you're suggesting,
Suggesting there is a way to do it without touching green space and without touching the

3666
07:45:46,460 --> 07:45:46,460
mature trees, and that is what hurts the most here is like,
You know, we want to increase a canopy in our city,

3667
07:45:54,220 --> 07:45:54,220
but yet we're putting we're we're taking out the green canopy that we have.

3668
07:46:00,740 --> 07:46:00,740
and then building a path parallel to the path that we're telling people not to walk on
Because it's not safe.

3669
07:46:06,900 --> 07:46:10,100
it's like it's so absurd. It really. It really. It really is. So, so it's such an oxymoron to me.

3670
07:46:14,580 --> 07:46:14,580
so if if there was a proposal to do a protected path and to,
To make it one way which would slow traffic,

3671
07:46:21,620 --> 07:46:21,620
why did we go so far astray from that? Jose,
Do you want to step up and talk about the different levels of protection for

3672
07:46:31,700 --> 07:46:34,620
facilities? And before before you do that respectfully? I mean, I'm getting messages of like literal pictures of cars and dents in their cars of
Of errant golf balls.

3673
07:46:42,590 --> 07:46:42,590
now, excuse me. Matthew. It's happening now. So if we're going to increase that liability
And the solution is netting.

3674
07:46:51,710 --> 07:46:51,710
I don't I really don't like where this is going because,
You know, commissioner bhatt like you said,

3675
07:46:56,150 --> 07:47:00,110
it's a beautiful it's a beautiful scape. I don't want to see I don't want to see netting. I don't see 50 foot netting along the golf course.

3676
07:47:03,030 --> 07:47:03,030
I don't think anyone wants to see that. And so I,
I mean, this this is starting to get into,

3677
07:47:09,990 --> 07:47:09,990
you know, into a territory that perhaps is very uncomfortable for,
For people that live there.

3678
07:47:17,590 --> 07:47:17,590
you know, to, to do something where we can accommodate this with the infrastructure that
We have.

3679
07:47:24,070 --> 07:47:27,870
so sorry to let me let you continue, jose. No worries. Commissioner. So in terms of a little bit of background and history on,
On these projects,

3680
07:47:35,790 --> 07:47:35,790
our master plan, ten years old. But the goal of the master plan was to build out a network
Of bicycle facilities that are

3681
07:47:45,560 --> 07:47:45,560
interconnected and safe. First and foremost,
Safe at the master plan level, we didn't know whether or not some protection was needed

3682
07:47:55,560 --> 07:47:55,560
at that time. The the protection and the different options of the protection really came
Came about during the design development process.

3683
07:48:04,600 --> 07:48:04,600
however, our master plan did try to to leverage the golf courses in our city and to try to
Use the existing golf courses because

3684
07:48:14,560 --> 07:48:14,560
it's just it's a natural draw. Many people jog around the golf courses walk.

3685
07:48:18,920 --> 07:48:18,920
so it it was almost a no brainer, if you will,
To use our golf courses as part of that off road bicycle network,

3686
07:48:28,560 --> 07:48:28,560
which tends to be safer than an on road bicycle network.

3687
07:48:33,440 --> 07:48:33,440
I recall at that time there was also there was not a there was not a lot of support to
Widen the streets for bicycle

3688
07:48:43,130 --> 07:48:43,130
lanes. I recall having those discussions for prairie avenue,
For example, some of the streets in the bayshore neighborhood.

3689
07:48:51,130 --> 07:48:51,130
the neighborhood wanted to keep the streets narrow and didn't want to add asphalt to the
Street for solely for bicycle lanes.

3690
07:49:00,970 --> 07:49:00,970
so at that time, the decision was made to explore and try to to leverage our golf courses
As much as possible.

3691
07:49:08,730 --> 07:49:08,730
that's really the impetus to the concept of using the golf courses.

3692
07:49:13,330 --> 07:49:16,570
now, in terms of the protection, there's different types of protection. Some golf courses have very mature trees that can act as a buffer.

3693
07:49:21,290 --> 07:49:21,290
and you know kind of divert any errant golf balls.

3694
07:49:26,690 --> 07:49:26,690
in this case, on meridian, there really isn't a lot of mature trees there.

3695
07:49:32,050 --> 07:49:32,050
so that's where the net idea came about during the design.

3696
07:49:39,020 --> 07:49:39,020
okay, I guess I was just hoping you could talk a little bit about the hierarchy of
Physical facilities,

3697
07:49:45,820 --> 07:49:45,820
whether it's an on street sharrow, whether it's a expansion of the street through a
Dedicated bicycle facility,

3698
07:49:55,540 --> 07:49:55,540
a protected bicycle lane. And then I guess the the highest and best is a off

3699
07:50:05,500 --> 07:50:05,500
road, off road, shared use path. That was, I think,
The leaning of the consultant that did the master plan was to try to have as

3700
07:50:15,220 --> 07:50:15,220
many off street shared use paths as possible to eliminate the conflict.

3701
07:50:21,780 --> 07:50:21,780
were looking at that point in time at, you know,
What was the potential interaction with the golf course or what was,

3702
07:50:31,260 --> 07:50:35,070
you know you know, potential unintended consequence. I think it was trying to maximize the amount of highest and best protection for the
Bicycle network as they were doing the master plan.

3703
07:50:45,270 --> 07:50:45,270
that's that's correct. Yeah. Clearly an off road path eliminates any vehicles,
Any conflicts with vehicles.

3704
07:50:52,310 --> 07:50:52,310
so it's the safest facility for for cyclists.

3705
07:50:56,830 --> 07:50:56,830
combined with the fact that there was no there there was no appetite to widen streets in
The bayshore neighborhood for bicycle lanes.

3706
07:51:04,670 --> 07:51:04,670
that's what well, I mean, I can tell you firsthand that,
You know, I think the bayshore neighborhood would fully be supportive of a little bit of

3707
07:51:12,830 --> 07:51:12,830
widening on the existing roads, then a forever net in front of their houses.

3708
07:51:20,390 --> 07:51:24,070
and and look, I mean, in full disclosure, I live on bayshore. I live on the street. Many of my neighbors came to me and said,
Hey, david, we need your help on this.

3709
07:51:31,680 --> 07:51:31,680
we don't want to see this in front of our house,
And rightfully so.

3710
07:51:37,080 --> 07:51:37,080
because, you know, this, this just kind of changes everything about where you live.

3711
07:51:43,480 --> 07:51:43,480
right. And you see it all the time. It's not just when you come down from south of fifth
On a bicycle and try to go through.

3712
07:51:51,400 --> 07:51:51,400
so and not to mention the fact that this might potentially cause more harm to property and
Personal injury

3713
07:52:01,080 --> 07:52:01,080
by bouncing golf balls, which happens now, and it could be increased with this.

3714
07:52:06,840 --> 07:52:06,840
so you know, I think, like I said, I think we can we can accomplish both.

3715
07:52:13,920 --> 07:52:13,920
I think we can come back to the drawing board and say,
Hey, how what's the best way to really connect the bike network?

3716
07:52:19,640 --> 07:52:19,640
I'm an avid scooter rider, obviously. I'm for smart shared use projects.

3717
07:52:29,660 --> 07:52:29,660
I think this one really jumped at skis and is not good for either the neighborhood or
Potentially puts

3718
07:52:39,580 --> 07:52:39,580
cyclists and pedestrians at risk. Right. You know,
If this project to move forward.

3719
07:52:44,460 --> 07:52:44,460
but, mr. Mayor, you know, I'd like to hear from the public some public comment.

3720
07:52:50,820 --> 07:52:50,820
I think there's some members here to speak. Can I just ask one more question before we
Hear from the public? Jose,

3721
07:52:55,860 --> 07:52:55,860
we put bike usage counters on meridian and 17th or 16th.

3722
07:53:03,020 --> 07:53:03,020
do we know? And I think we've got about 30,000 ride counts since we installed those
Counters a few months ago.

3723
07:53:11,500 --> 07:53:11,500
I don't have the number with me. Commissioner. I don't want to misspeak. So.

3724
07:53:15,540 --> 07:53:15,540
exactly. Sure. It's. It's about 30,000. So right now,
When people come up meridian, they have to take a right or a left onto

3725
07:53:25,100 --> 07:53:25,100
dade, you know? Right. Presume they want to keep going north and then take a left onto
Whatever the next street over.

3726
07:53:32,310 --> 07:53:35,270
I've only been here 23 years. Why should I know the street names? Thank you. Prairie. So there is clearly a need for connectivity.

3727
07:53:42,670 --> 07:53:42,670
and I would argue that not having to write a long date is probably safer than having to
Write a long date.

3728
07:53:50,030 --> 07:53:50,030
so I think I do think it's worth going back to fdot.

3729
07:53:54,590 --> 07:53:54,590
I understand that over the process. Commissioner fernandez,
You've asked them about monies for hard hardened

3730
07:54:05,870 --> 07:54:05,870
bike lanes not being repurposed for different kinds of bike lanes,
Protected bike lanes versus not specifically this project.

3731
07:54:14,430 --> 07:54:14,430
understood. But but that that's over the course of the last ten years,
Literally, tallahassee is in the process of trying to figure out how to make it safer to

3732
07:54:23,630 --> 07:54:23,630
use micromobility devices. And while this isn't specifically exclusively for devices,
Maybe there is

3733
07:54:33,480 --> 07:54:33,480
a possibility of a willingness to return most of the money,
But keep a little bit of it to put together sharrows to help protect people

3734
07:54:43,480 --> 07:54:43,480
on micromobility devices, on a more protected path in riding along data.

3735
07:54:47,760 --> 07:54:50,080
I think it's worth the conversation with them. At least they can say no and take a jump. But we why wouldn't we ask before we just refund
The money?

3736
07:54:57,200 --> 07:54:57,200
we'd be happy to speak with fdot just based on experience with other similar projects.

3737
07:55:04,560 --> 07:55:04,560
as soon as the scope of of work changes, then at that point,
Fdot considers that the process has been tainted,

3738
07:55:14,480 --> 07:55:14,480
if you will, and they withdraw the funds. We had a recent experience with 17th street bike
Lanes.

3739
07:55:22,040 --> 07:55:22,040
that project where we the original grant application included a transit lane and a bicycle
Lane.

3740
07:55:29,970 --> 07:55:29,970
and we went back to fdot and we said we can move forward with the bicycle lane.

3741
07:55:35,290 --> 07:55:39,170
we're not there yet to move forward with a dedicated transit lane. And they said, you've changed the project scope.

3742
07:55:42,410 --> 07:55:42,410
the you know, the the process has now been it's been tainted and they withdrew the funds.

3743
07:55:51,090 --> 07:55:53,810
it is an unfortunate way of doing business, but okay. I still think it's worth the question. Mr. Mayor,
If I could commissioner magazine.

3744
07:55:57,850 --> 07:55:57,850
do we have any renderings of what this net could look like?

3745
07:56:02,250 --> 07:56:02,250
how tall are we thinking? This is not driving range netting.

3746
07:56:06,930 --> 07:56:06,930
what was proposed was pedestrian scale 8 to 10ft within or adjacent to the landscaping.

3747
07:56:13,170 --> 07:56:13,170
just to protect the what I refer to as the line drive shot that would impact or could
Impact pedestrians.

3748
07:56:21,940 --> 07:56:21,940
as I'm looking at a map visualizing this. So we're talking about netting,
Running what, maybe four feet,

3749
07:56:29,540 --> 07:56:29,540
six feet in from where the track would be essentially from dade down into the 20s,
Just on the

3750
07:56:39,220 --> 07:56:39,220
inside of what, where the existing tree line is up around 28th to the corner of prairie
And 28th is the path,

3751
07:56:47,900 --> 07:56:47,900
not the netting. The netting is only in certain areas that that we've deemed to be high
Risk or higher risk.

3752
07:56:54,020 --> 07:56:57,340
I don't mean to sound dramatic, but correct me if I'm wrong. That sounds visually and esthetically awful. Would you not a test?

3753
07:57:04,700 --> 07:57:04,700
would you agree? No. I am I'm not sure I would agree only because it's within the
Landscaping itself.

3754
07:57:13,340 --> 07:57:13,340
it is black. Black tends to disappear in the landscaping and it would be less impactful
Than,

3755
07:57:18,460 --> 07:57:21,350
than I think is, is being. But it doesn't hang right. I mean, it'll be it's held up by poles. Yeah,
That that sounds awful.

3756
07:57:29,910 --> 07:57:29,910
rick, not to put you or mark on the spot, but when I was a freshman.

3757
07:57:34,910 --> 07:57:34,910
commissioner and ambitious that we could take on these large projects.

3758
07:57:39,750 --> 07:57:39,750
I proposed a pedestrian path or exploring a pedestrian path in this area.

3759
07:57:45,430 --> 07:57:45,430
because I know it's so great to walk within our parks and on the beach.

3760
07:57:51,750 --> 07:57:51,750
walk in our bay walk. I said, what if we did something,
You know, kind of around the golf course there,

3761
07:57:56,710 --> 07:57:56,710
and you and mark actually did some pretty significant legwork and came back and said,
I hate to come back with no.

3762
07:58:04,710 --> 07:58:04,710
but from a legal perspective, any type of alteration,
Any type of impediment that we do onto the golf course puts us at immediate

3763
07:58:14,470 --> 07:58:14,470
liability. Yeah. You're correct. We we had looked at this at the time.

3764
07:58:19,200 --> 07:58:19,200
I believe mark was involved. I think henry hunfeld in my office was involved as well.

3765
07:58:24,160 --> 07:58:24,160
and the general consensus was that by making changes,
We were actually increasing the, the,

3766
07:58:30,440 --> 07:58:30,440
the exposure to the city. So people bike along meridian.

3767
07:58:38,240 --> 07:58:38,240
we basically have no liability. And I hate to view life through that lens,
But it's the reality of the world that we live in now.

3768
07:58:44,440 --> 07:58:44,440
but the second that we essentially construct a path within the confines of the golf
Course,

3769
07:58:51,440 --> 07:58:51,440
we're essentially saying, yes, go ahead, boom,
You get hit and it becomes our fault.

3770
07:58:57,760 --> 07:58:57,760
and the moment someone gets hit and they'll come back and they'll watch this video,
They'll see our deliberation about having this conversation,

3771
07:59:05,480 --> 07:59:05,480
about the possibility of that person on that path being possibly being hit and hurt.

3772
07:59:13,160 --> 07:59:13,160
and you know, how some of us were expressing concerns about it.

3773
07:59:18,090 --> 07:59:18,090
and it'll be used. It'll be used against the city in in litigation if it's not safe.

3774
07:59:22,810 --> 07:59:22,810
three feet away. No tree, no netting is going to make it safer because we all see the
Accumulation,

3775
07:59:30,610 --> 07:59:30,610
the accumulation. I mean, I have neighbors, I have neighbors that have buckets full of
Full of golf balls.

3776
07:59:39,050 --> 07:59:39,050
by there, by by their door. It's just it's I feel it's it's irresponsible.

3777
07:59:45,410 --> 07:59:45,410
and and I never felt comfortable fighting it because it's it's it's a street that I live
On.

3778
07:59:54,210 --> 07:59:54,210
but but the neighborhood has never has never liked this.

3779
08:00:00,290 --> 08:00:00,290
the neighborhood has very strongly and vocally spoken out against this.

3780
08:00:06,970 --> 08:00:06,970
and the people who I have seen that support this,
You know, I get their desire for bicycle and pedestrian certain infrastructure,

3781
08:00:14,980 --> 08:00:14,980
but they don't live in the neighborhood. They're not directly impacted by the change of
The character that removing mature landscaping is going to cause.

3782
08:00:23,700 --> 08:00:23,700
they're not going to be impacted by the change of character,
Of adding more hardscape.

3783
08:00:28,580 --> 08:00:28,580
they're not going to be impacted by by the netting that's going to be placed there.

3784
08:00:35,540 --> 08:00:35,540
it's not going to it's not going to happen in their in their neighborhood. It's going to
Be happening in front of someone else's home.

3785
08:00:42,020 --> 08:00:42,020
and I'm very sensitive. I know we have parents in the audience that are concerned about
Bicycles you know,

3786
08:00:49,380 --> 08:00:51,860
hitting their children in front. In front of their home. We have a specific case of of the shared use path that goes directly into someone's yard.

3787
08:00:58,420 --> 08:00:58,420
and that parent, over the years, has consistently spoken up and raised their voice about
The dangers that that bicycle can place on their on their

3788
08:01:08,060 --> 08:01:08,060
children fears of backing out and hitting a bicycle because of the way that the shared use
Path would intersect with their

3789
08:01:17,840 --> 08:01:20,800
with with their property. There's a lot of concerns. There's never been complete buy in from from from the neighborhood.

3790
08:01:24,680 --> 08:01:28,520
I like the idea of seeing what alternatives we could do. I think we should always be looking for for those alternatives.

3791
08:01:32,840 --> 08:01:32,840
and I think, you know, we can have a conversation about that in land use or neighborhoods.

3792
08:01:38,480 --> 08:01:38,480
but I just don't think it's right to continue investing in this project.

3793
08:01:44,120 --> 08:01:47,360
if the support is not there from the neighborhood. And, mister mayor, if I could just follow up on one issue jose,
Is meridian a road that

3794
08:01:57,200 --> 08:01:57,200
by auto and life is relative, right. So I'm not saying it's never used,
But it doesn't seem to be one of our most

3795
08:02:07,000 --> 08:02:07,000
highest use or most traversed roads from automobiles,
Correct?

3796
08:02:12,170 --> 08:02:12,170
in comparison to other roads. So wouldn't it make sense to do speed mitigation measures on
That street that

3797
08:02:22,090 --> 08:02:22,090
actually slow the ability for cars? It could be a raised pedestrian pathway,
Right.

3798
08:02:29,650 --> 08:02:29,650
so cars can't build up a lot of speed, which will inherently make it much safer for that
To be a road that can be shared

3799
08:02:39,370 --> 08:02:43,130
between a bicycle and automobile without a designated lane. We're doing that. So we're doing that. There are traffic calming devices that are being
Proposed as part of the bayshore neighborhood traffic calming project,

3800
08:02:51,330 --> 08:02:55,010
and that starts in july. That project starts sometime in july. We start putting it in the ground in july. Yeah,
It's currently bidding.

3801
08:02:58,610 --> 08:02:58,610
it should be starting in july. So I mean, there's there is a very very well planned
Bayshore traffic calming project that to

3802
08:03:08,540 --> 08:03:08,540
the neighborhood association that's present here today that the neighbors have worked on
With the city,

3803
08:03:14,140 --> 08:03:14,140
specifically to make conditions on the street safer for bicyclists,
Safer for pedestrians,

3804
08:03:20,580 --> 08:03:20,580
because there has been instances and I think the traffic studies at this at this point,
They're like ten years old.

3805
08:03:28,340 --> 08:03:28,340
and yes, there are instances of speeding on on the street,
But the way to do that is by creating the proper build environments where the traffic

3806
08:03:38,300 --> 08:03:38,300
calming addresses that rather than placing people and perhaps a more dangerous
Environment,

3807
08:03:43,260 --> 08:03:47,060
which is right where the golf balls are flying. So I just really don't understand why, you know,
These are all valid concerns.

3808
08:03:51,020 --> 08:03:51,020
and I I just don't understand why this was approved ten years ago.

3809
08:03:56,860 --> 08:03:56,860
I mean, again, the physics of golf ball flight has not changed in ten years,
And the golf course has been there.

3810
08:04:05,180 --> 08:04:09,070
and so if people have been so dead set against it,
Why was it approved? Why wasn't something else approved that accomplished the goal of enhanced safety for
Bicyclists with sharrows

3811
08:04:18,830 --> 08:04:18,830
and connectivity, or maybe even divider a little the little delineator.

3812
08:04:23,950 --> 08:04:23,950
you know, whatever. Whatever the options are. Without contemplating netting and removing
Trees and building into the swale.

3813
08:04:31,430 --> 08:04:34,630
like I just like the facts on the ground haven't changed. How about we. How about we? But I can tell you just,
You know, from having been involved in that process ten years ago.

3814
08:04:42,150 --> 08:04:42,150
you know, I have great respect for everyone who has served on this dais because people
Make great sacrifices to serve on this day as commissioners.

3815
08:04:50,310 --> 08:04:50,310
the commission ten years ago, plus ten plus years were not very inclined to listen to the
Neighborhoods.

3816
08:04:59,190 --> 08:04:59,190
and and they were just full throttle that we were going to do this,
This bicycle master plan,

3817
08:05:05,120 --> 08:05:05,120
and we were going to do this, and we were going to do this,
And getting any changes was very difficult.

3818
08:05:09,760 --> 08:05:09,760
we were able to, as part of those conversations,
Get traffic calming, which is the real concern.

3819
08:05:16,920 --> 08:05:16,920
the amount of speeding I think we have the consistency of plus ten miles an hour over the
Speed limit is pretty high,

3820
08:05:26,160 --> 08:05:26,160
based on an old study, I'm sure. Now the, you know,
The numbers are probably worse now, but the commission at the time was just like,

3821
08:05:33,640 --> 08:05:33,640
this is what we're going to do, and you're going to have to live,
What with what we're going to,

3822
08:05:39,560 --> 08:05:39,560
to, to do. I also I don't know if, if you, if you have a different recollection of it,
But I mean,

3823
08:05:46,320 --> 08:05:46,320
is that what happened ten years ago when when this came up?

3824
08:05:50,360 --> 08:05:50,360
I'm so sorry. I didn't hear the last two. If you could come up to the podium.

3825
08:05:56,680 --> 08:05:56,680
elena, if you can come up to the podium so we can all hear.

3826
08:06:06,330 --> 08:06:06,330
commissioner bada was asking, why is it that ten years ago the commission moved forward
With this notwithstanding,

3827
08:06:14,250 --> 08:06:14,250
or withstanding the neighborhood opposition,
That they still moved forward with this?

3828
08:06:19,290 --> 08:06:19,290
I'll be honest with you. As far as the neighborhood is concerned,
I mean, we he's, right?

3829
08:06:24,130 --> 08:06:24,130
we didn't want broadening of streets because our streets are wide enough as it is.

3830
08:06:28,970 --> 08:06:28,970
we didn't want the bike lanes to go along the areas that are now suggested,
And it was still shoved down our throat.

3831
08:06:38,450 --> 08:06:38,450
the first and foremost thing is times have changed.

3832
08:06:43,650 --> 08:06:43,650
I mean, it's been ten years since this plan was approved,
Even more since this plan even was in the works.

3833
08:06:52,250 --> 08:06:55,250
things have changed within the neighborhood right now. And I mean, I prepared a little speech to make it easier,
So maybe I'll just run through it right now real quick.

3834
08:07:02,580 --> 08:07:02,580
first, conditions within bayshore have drastically changed since 2012 2016.

3835
08:07:08,700 --> 08:07:08,700
whichever date you guys are using, our traffic congestion has skyrocketed.

3836
08:07:14,260 --> 08:07:14,260
where we have bumper to bumper traffic in the neighborhood regularly,
Not just during special events,

3837
08:07:20,460 --> 08:07:20,460
but on any given day. These conditions aren't safe for anybody.

3838
08:07:26,700 --> 08:07:26,700
bicyclists, pedestrians, I mean cars. That bumper to bumper traffic creates such a.

3839
08:07:38,460 --> 08:07:38,460
heavy duty burden on the neighborhood and then to throw.

3840
08:07:43,060 --> 08:07:46,700
now let's change paths. Let's do this. Let's do that. We have our priorities clear in the neighborhood,
And that is to reduce and calm the vehicular traffic first and foremost for the

3841
08:07:55,700 --> 08:07:59,310
neighborhood, which is for the greater good of everyone. Okay. Secondly, granted, losing the trees and the green space along the golf course with a
Paved

3842
08:08:09,470 --> 08:08:09,470
path contributes to our existing flooding issue and goes against community priority of
Preserving green space.

3843
08:08:18,910 --> 08:08:18,910
in addition, neither one of these paths are a direct line to any of our schools,
Public or private.

3844
08:08:28,510 --> 08:08:28,510
at our last community meeting that I do believe the majority of commissioners were present
As well as administration.

3845
08:08:37,470 --> 08:08:37,470
I think we spoke very clearly what bay shore's priorities are,
Which is traffic, flooding and the crime.

3846
08:08:48,150 --> 08:08:48,150
so, I mean, we just don't this is just not on the radar for us at all.

3847
08:08:55,110 --> 08:08:55,110
I understand there might be other avenues to take.

3848
08:08:59,650 --> 08:08:59,650
fine. But, I mean, does it have to go down meridian or along the golf course in general,
Where you're really disrupting the character of that

3849
08:09:09,490 --> 08:09:09,490
whole neighborhood? So, I mean, as far as bayshore was concerned,
This was never something we really hardcore wanted,

3850
08:09:17,610 --> 08:09:17,610
but we still got part of it. We have the bike lanes down prairie.

3851
08:09:23,890 --> 08:09:23,890
you know, it's a stripe on the street and that's fine.

3852
08:09:30,410 --> 08:09:30,410
any anyone else from the public? Yes.

3853
08:09:42,130 --> 08:09:42,130
mayor commissioners. Barry miller, landscape architect.

3854
08:09:48,290 --> 08:09:48,290
I'm not here very often, you know, coming to you with solutions that cost less money.

3855
08:09:53,770 --> 08:09:53,770
we are in the business of doing projects with cip for the last 30 or 40 years,
But in this case,

3856
08:10:00,700 --> 08:10:00,700
we think we we can come up with some alternatives that commissioner fernandez had
Suggested.

3857
08:10:06,020 --> 08:10:06,020
I think commissioner suarez had alluded to also,
Commissioner magazine bhatt of of using what we have now and just thinking,

3858
08:10:15,020 --> 08:10:15,020
you know outside the box, if you will, or inside the box.

3859
08:10:20,780 --> 08:10:20,780
we fought a long time ago, 15, 20 years ago,
And got and got prairie avenue reduced to 20ft to reduce in traffic calm in front of the

3860
08:10:28,700 --> 08:10:28,700
school from 28th street to dade boulevard. That happened a long time ago.

3861
08:10:35,340 --> 08:10:35,340
that ever happened to meridian. Meridian is now about 23,
24ft.

3862
08:10:40,100 --> 08:10:40,100
what we think one alternative could be is to put the sharrows on.

3863
08:10:45,340 --> 08:10:45,340
if you guys have suggested, coupled with the speed bumps along prairie avenue,
He would not have to put an extra path there in front of the residential

3864
08:10:55,110 --> 08:10:58,510
or with a swale is in front of the school parking lot. You just use prairie avenue and slow it down.

3865
08:11:01,710 --> 08:11:04,990
way down like you did on la force in pine tree. That's that's where you did based on neighbors kind of input.

3866
08:11:09,990 --> 08:11:09,990
cars are going way too fast and they do go fast on meridian.

3867
08:11:14,550 --> 08:11:14,550
really, it's just straight away essentially. So I'm not sure how many speed tables are
Being proposed on meridian.

3868
08:11:21,550 --> 08:11:21,550
I believe I believe 303. Yeah. 3 or 4. I think maybe I'm on legacy pine tree.

3869
08:11:27,830 --> 08:11:30,590
I measured it in google earth today. It's about every 500ft. You have a table. You cannot go fast on that unless you want to go flying at the same
Time.

3870
08:11:36,190 --> 08:11:39,030
there's no bike path there. Bikes go down there all the time. They go through the outsides where the where the table stops.

3871
08:11:42,590 --> 08:11:42,590
so we think prairie avenue is the best way. Connects the school least path of resistance
School to the existing bike paths on the in the north side,

3872
08:11:52,360 --> 08:11:55,520
down to the botanical garden and to city hall. So that's number one option. Number two option would be if you need to spend the dot money
Someplace is to do the same on narrow

3873
08:12:05,520 --> 08:12:05,520
the street. It's about 2324. Narrow it for traffic calming on meridian.

3874
08:12:12,120 --> 08:12:12,120
put the speed tables there as well. And you get the bikes much further away from from the
The offending balls,

3875
08:12:20,400 --> 08:12:23,440
golf balls flying all over. So there's a couple options there. I think you spend a lot less money. And you know,
If dot is an issue, you can still spend it there.

3876
08:12:30,200 --> 08:12:33,760
but as a landscape architect, yeah, I would agree. There's no reason to take out. There's a lot of really big,
Mature trees.

3877
08:12:38,040 --> 08:12:40,880
it's not like they're easy to move. They're very expensive. I think the plan also calls for this kind of hodgepodge lighting distribution,
Where you're putting in new lights with the acorn lights.

3878
08:12:49,530 --> 08:12:49,530
it just doesn't. That doesn't make much sense to the design.

3879
08:12:53,890 --> 08:12:53,890
so anyway, that's we'd be happy to help and work with the city.

3880
08:12:58,410 --> 08:12:58,410
thank you. Thank you. Good afternoon, mayor and commissioners.

3881
08:13:04,850 --> 08:13:04,850
my name is brian. I've been living at 3186 prairie ave since 2013.

3882
08:13:10,890 --> 08:13:10,890
I own the home. I've lived there with my wife and two children and have met with many of
You all on this subject.

3883
08:13:18,970 --> 08:13:21,530
ten years ago, there was no e-bikes and scooters. Those things travel very fast. Putting them onto this type of path would be a serious risk
To anybody who is on it.

3884
08:13:27,690 --> 08:13:27,690
ten years ago, there were far lesser concerns about flooding.

3885
08:13:32,090 --> 08:13:32,090
adding more hardscape will increase and exacerbate flooding.

3886
08:13:36,290 --> 08:13:39,890
ten years ago, we didn't have the traffic we have in the neighborhood. I think a great solution would be to put in speed tables and maybe some sharrows for eight
Years.

3887
08:13:47,540 --> 08:13:47,540
my neighbors and I have respectfully and consistently opposed placing shared use path
Along the perimeter of the miami beach golf course and through our public swells.

3888
08:13:56,980 --> 08:13:56,980
I've submitted dozens of signed letters from residents who own property in bayshore on the
Subject,

3889
08:14:04,220 --> 08:14:04,220
and it's time to bring this to an end. This proposal is outdated.

3890
08:14:08,420 --> 08:14:08,420
it was conceived before chronic flooding became a defining issue of bayshore,
Before widespread use of high speed e-bikes and scooters.

3891
08:14:16,020 --> 08:14:16,020
the realities today are different. Their current design includes a 6 to 8 foot fence along
The golf course,

3892
08:14:21,620 --> 08:14:24,420
which is simply too short to protect anybody. If you need proper protection, you need 100 150 foot tall netting like on a driving range.

3893
08:14:34,060 --> 08:14:37,580
the miami beach golf course is a world class public asset. Turning it its edge into a fence transportation corridor will diminish its character and
Impact the homes that border it.

3894
08:14:46,150 --> 08:14:46,150
the people who live there simply do not want this.

3895
08:14:50,750 --> 08:14:50,750
please support this measure to terminate all future conversations so we can put this to
Rest.

3896
08:14:57,070 --> 08:14:59,870
I don't have to keep coming back in this room. Okay. Thank you. I can vouch for all the advocacy you just mentioned.

3897
08:15:03,870 --> 08:15:03,870
okay. Thank you for that. I have one last question for commissioner bhatt.

3898
08:15:08,550 --> 08:15:08,550
you mentioned 30,000 cyclists were measured going through the area in that time.

3899
08:15:13,310 --> 08:15:13,310
were there other incidents with cyclists and vehicles like.

3900
08:15:20,270 --> 08:15:23,190
I don't have the data. I just my my aide just texted me the number. But and it's not just cyclists, it's it's micro mobility devices.

3901
08:15:26,630 --> 08:15:26,630
so it could be scooters, bikes, ebikes just not cars.

3902
08:15:30,990 --> 08:15:34,190
okay. We can get you the information. I just don't have it. My children are 11 and 12 years old. For their entire lives,
We've been biking scootering skateboarding through the neighborhood more than anybody

3903
08:15:42,150 --> 08:15:42,150
else. More than anybody in the neighborhood. We've been using it,
And I teach my kids how to bike safely through the neighborhood.

3904
08:15:51,160 --> 08:15:53,480
we go down, you teach everybody else how to bike safely. Please. But I'm already an avid. If you hear a car coming.

3905
08:15:56,160 --> 08:15:56,160
pull over onto the grass. Just be clear. Just to be clear,
This is meridian south of dade.

3906
08:16:01,280 --> 08:16:04,480
so it wasn't 30,000 people in your neighborhood. It was is the stretch. Yeah. So near here, like in the city center.

3907
08:16:08,880 --> 08:16:12,400
I'm not aware of any incidents in the neighborhood with between cars and cyclists. And let's keep it that way and we'll hopefully keep it that way. So I don't think this is
Necessary adding all that hardscape not consistent with the neighborhood.

3908
08:16:20,160 --> 08:16:24,160
thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Brian. Matthew, we'll see you. Good evening, mayor and commissioners.

3909
08:16:29,960 --> 08:16:29,960
I think this is like the 12th time that I've spoken about chase avenue.

3910
08:16:34,800 --> 08:16:34,800
last week, this time, I didn't think I'd be talking about it. I didn't think I'd even be
Here. Look,

3911
08:16:40,320 --> 08:16:40,320
this is deeply frustrating. It's a project that's been approved twice.

3912
08:16:45,770 --> 08:16:45,770
we work together with many stakeholders. I reached out to yolanda here twice.

3913
08:16:50,290 --> 08:16:53,290
didn't hear back. The bayshore neighborhood president. But I think it's important that we have open dialog here and we hear concerns.

3914
08:16:58,930 --> 08:16:58,930
I know because I've seen the plans because it's on the design review board agenda.

3915
08:17:03,450 --> 08:17:03,450
let's bring the plans up on the screen. We're talking about it,
And many people here don't understand what is actually at risk or planned or proposed.

3916
08:17:13,490 --> 08:17:17,410
the pathway is not in the golf course. Is that right? It's all within the public right of
Way. That's correct. That's correct. This has gone through how many different fdot reviews did
You work with the golf course coming up with the project?

3917
08:17:27,970 --> 08:17:27,970
I mean, there are there are so many different things. This isn't something that came out
Of nowhere, but I think we need to have full transparency.

3918
08:17:37,730 --> 08:17:37,730
we need to. We you, the decision makers, need to see the plans of any of you seen the
Plans yet?

3919
08:17:43,910 --> 08:17:43,910
I have. Okay, so we've got one out of. Everyone has seen the plans on the agenda.

3920
08:17:49,190 --> 08:17:49,190
I've seen them. Meridian avenue is one of the few north south routes.

3921
08:17:53,470 --> 08:17:53,470
as someone who drives in this city, when you want to go somewhere and there's congestion
On alton road and there's congestion on pine tree and collins avenue,

3922
08:18:01,110 --> 08:18:04,550
guess what? People choose meridian avenue to get there. So and it is a collector, which means that it is designed to handle a large number of
Cars.

3923
08:18:09,950 --> 08:18:09,950
we even heard from the bayshore neighborhood association that at times there's an extreme
Amount of traffic.

3924
08:18:16,190 --> 08:18:16,190
the off street path is the best way, but I'm not here to lecture you about this.

3925
08:18:20,590 --> 08:18:20,590
I just want to have a process here that's transparent,
That takes into account the bike master plan.

3926
08:18:27,070 --> 08:18:27,070
I mean, how many projects have I come here not advocating for just asking as part of the
Community here that you not kill a project,

3927
08:18:35,670 --> 08:18:38,800
that you not take something that people have spent so many years on. It's exhausting to just be on the defense the whole time.

3928
08:18:42,040 --> 08:18:42,040
the city has changed people now people are riding bikes has increased dramatically,
Whether they're e-bikes or micromobility or regular bikes.

3929
08:18:49,560 --> 08:18:49,560
so I think it is important that we take this into account.

3930
08:18:54,200 --> 08:18:54,200
finally, look, I just want to say we all live in the city together,
Whether we live in south beach,

3931
08:18:58,920 --> 08:18:58,920
mid-beach north beach, whether we live in a single family home,
Whether we live in a brand new home mcmansion,

3932
08:19:05,440 --> 08:19:05,440
whether we live in a 400 foot condo. You know,
We all live together, and the streets are for everyone,

3933
08:19:13,280 --> 08:19:15,560
not just the people that live right next to them. This project is these projects are not just for those people.

3934
08:19:18,760 --> 08:19:18,760
they're for everyone in the city. So you're going to lose your credibility with these
Grant projects.

3935
08:19:24,720 --> 08:19:24,720
I have sat on panels reviewing these fdot grant projects,
And one of the things is community buy in is do these do these organizations,

3936
08:19:32,640 --> 08:19:32,640
these agencies, do they follow through? They're not going to vote for any miami beach
Plans in the future.

3937
08:19:37,850 --> 08:19:41,250
I'm sorry. And this is like the second or third time that this has happened. But anyway, I want to close with unity. Let's work on what's best for everyone.

3938
08:19:46,170 --> 08:19:49,010
work together for what's best for everyone in the city. And let's put those plans on the screen, please. Thank you. Hi,
My name is matt crane, and I

3939
08:19:59,210 --> 08:19:59,210
have a house on meridian, 2489 meridian, which is right across from the golf course.

3940
08:20:04,770 --> 08:20:04,770
it's about four homes up from the corner. And he brought up a good point that,
You know, the city is for everybody.

3941
08:20:13,690 --> 08:20:13,690
and you know, I, I agree with that. I think that bikers should be able to get around the
City.

3942
08:20:23,050 --> 08:20:23,050
however, that's not really the objection that I hear people coming up with.

3943
08:20:27,610 --> 08:20:27,610
it's not that, you know, people in the neighborhood don't want bikers in the neighborhood.

3944
08:20:33,980 --> 08:20:33,980
there's there are serious issues with this path,
And I'm not going to say anything new that hasn't been said.

3945
08:20:42,100 --> 08:20:44,780
but flooding is one issue in front of my house. There's a tremendous amount of flooding every time it rains hard.

3946
08:20:48,540 --> 08:20:48,540
and adding more pavement to the neighborhood seems crazy to me.

3947
08:20:53,340 --> 08:20:53,340
there's a huge brand new house on each side,
You know, that's a lot of pavement.

3948
08:20:59,340 --> 08:21:03,300
and there's, you know, the street is very, very wide already. That's a lot of pavement. And to actually add more pavement and take out grass and trees
Seems crazy to me.

3949
08:21:11,900 --> 08:21:11,900
I also think that it's a very valid point that people's property values will be affected
By this,

3950
08:21:19,220 --> 08:21:19,220
especially if there is black mesh netting that runs across the golf course.

3951
08:21:26,220 --> 08:21:29,340
now, you mentioned things about certain hot points. You know, I don't think that's realistic. I realistic.

3952
08:21:32,230 --> 08:21:35,350
I think golf balls can go every which way all over the place. So I think what's going to happen is there's going to be a lot of netting.

3953
08:21:38,550 --> 08:21:38,550
maybe it's going to be the whole, you know, way people are paying a lot of money for those
Homes.

3954
08:21:44,070 --> 08:21:44,070
they're paying a lot in taxes for that view and for that neighborhood and to simply,
You know,

3955
08:21:51,150 --> 08:21:51,150
put, put this project in place. Now it's going to affect people in a very,
Very negative way.

3956
08:21:58,350 --> 08:21:58,350
thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd like to move the item.

3957
08:22:02,870 --> 08:22:02,870
second, we also have zoom callers. We have three nicole de moura.

3958
08:22:13,150 --> 08:22:15,870
nicole, please unmute yourself. Can you hear me? Yes. So I live on meridian ave, and I understand the frustration from the members of the
Biking community.

3959
08:22:22,830 --> 08:22:22,830
the project has been discussed, as they said,
For nearly ten years, and I can appreciate how long that must feel.

3960
08:22:29,150 --> 08:22:29,150
but that's probably a discussion for another day. Why projects take so long to move
Forward in miami beach.

3961
08:22:34,800 --> 08:22:34,800
but as a gentleman said prior to me, a great deal has changed over the past decade.

3962
08:22:40,320 --> 08:22:40,320
I've lived here for only two years, and just until recently I had no idea about this
Project.

3963
08:22:46,800 --> 08:22:46,800
but I can attest that in the past ten years,
Our neighborhood has evolved significantly, including dramatic increases in property

3964
08:22:54,960 --> 08:22:54,960
values along our street. So I've opposed the path for several reasons.

3965
08:23:02,280 --> 08:23:02,280
first, the plan calls for installing netting,
As was discussed along the golf course, which raises an important question why is netting

3966
08:23:10,520 --> 08:23:10,520
necessary? The answer has been clear because placing a path alongside a golf course
Presents an inherent safety risk.

3967
08:23:19,120 --> 08:23:19,120
and if the city itself acknowledges the danger by proposing netting,
That should give us all pause.

3968
08:23:26,120 --> 08:23:26,120
no homeowner whether their home is valued at $10 or $10 million,
Wants to look out their window at large safety netting.

3969
08:23:36,010 --> 08:23:36,010
this will directly and negatively impact the character of our street and the value of our
Homes.

3970
08:23:43,290 --> 08:23:47,250
second, I fully agree that the biking community deserves safe infrastructure. The question is not whether cyclists deserve safety.

3971
08:23:49,530 --> 08:23:49,530
they absolutely do. It's how can we achieve it responsibly and cost effectively?

3972
08:23:56,010 --> 08:23:56,010
are there practical alternatives that were discussed that would improve safety without
Spending millions of dollars or altering the character of our neighborhood?

3973
08:24:03,930 --> 08:24:03,930
for example, the existing greene bike lanes on meridian could simply extend beyond dade
Boulevard.

3974
08:24:09,650 --> 08:24:09,650
the city has already moved forward with installing the speed bumps.

3975
08:24:13,850 --> 08:24:13,850
the bit has been published as stated. Additionally,
I would recommend that meridian be designated a no passing zone right now.

3976
08:24:21,610 --> 08:24:25,530
cars pass each other along our road at high speeds. These measures would significantly improve safety for both cyclists and drivers.

3977
08:24:31,340 --> 08:24:31,340
if the city would like to invest $1 million in a bike path,
Then maybe they should consider a better location,

3978
08:24:37,060 --> 08:24:37,060
such as along the golf course on day. Sorry. The next caller is zeno.

3979
08:24:47,980 --> 08:24:47,980
hey everybody, it's zeno. I am a resident on meridian,
And I'm in opposition to the multi-use path.

3980
08:24:55,940 --> 08:24:55,940
I agree with a lot of the points made in favor of c7,
So I won't repeat any of those.

3981
08:25:01,820 --> 08:25:01,820
I'm a big fan of the iterative approach. What are the highest priority problems right now
That can be solved with the least amount of money?

3982
08:25:08,820 --> 08:25:08,820
so highest return. And I think traffic calming flood mitigation,
Other things are much more important than this.

3983
08:25:17,020 --> 08:25:20,340
last thing I want to see is a top golf right outside my house. So thank you guys for taking this issue seriously.

3984
08:25:24,020 --> 08:25:24,020
I hope you don't get it passed. Thank you. Our last caller is daniel giraldo.

3985
08:25:35,240 --> 08:25:35,240
yes. Hi. Commissioners. Daniel sprawldef, resident of miami beach and a taxpayer.

3986
08:25:39,920 --> 08:25:39,920
and it's very upsetting once again to see something funded by grant funds and by tax
Money,

3987
08:25:46,920 --> 08:25:46,920
which is now at risk of being destroyed because a commissioner is worried about the view
Out of his window.

3988
08:25:55,480 --> 08:25:55,480
this bike path is very much needed. I'm someone that goes down that street often,
And the cars just speed by all the time.

3989
08:26:05,280 --> 08:26:05,280
it's, you know, accident waiting to happen. The other thing I agree with matthew is that
We need to have renderings that folks that just moved there who think that if six

3990
08:26:15,060 --> 08:26:15,060
foot net 100ft away is going to really impact their view,
They would benefit from a rendering.

3991
08:26:22,160 --> 08:26:22,160
you know we got to solve this conflict of interest items.

3992
08:26:26,410 --> 08:26:26,410
this commissioner, I think, has lived in three different places since he was elected.

3993
08:26:30,450 --> 08:26:30,450
if he moves again, what other project will be canceled because he doesn't want it?

3994
08:26:34,890 --> 08:26:38,610
so please follow your staff recommendation and move forward. Thank you. Vice mayor. Let's call the vote. Call the vote.

3995
08:26:47,530 --> 08:26:47,530
I need a motion, please. I moved second, I have a motion by commissioner suarez,
Seconded by commissioner fernandez.

3996
08:26:53,970 --> 08:26:53,970
c7. You all in favor? Please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed?

3997
08:26:59,490 --> 08:26:59,490
and the. After the the after resolution to investigate traffic calming measures and bike
Lanes on prairie.

3998
08:27:09,290 --> 08:27:12,410
so you want that as an after the fact? We have traffic calming. I meant meridian. So you want after the fact?

3999
08:27:15,530 --> 08:27:15,530
yes, please. Okay. With an after the fact c7 you is approved plus after the fact and that
For can I.

4000
08:27:24,500 --> 08:27:28,460
can I be a co-prime with you on that? Sure. Thank you. Oh, I love it. Camaraderie. We're lovebirds today.

4001
08:27:34,380 --> 08:27:34,380
love that. Don't get ahead of yourself, buddy. Love.

4002
08:27:41,380 --> 08:27:44,540
thank you, colleagues, I appreciate it. I think it's nice to see. It's all. It's all good. Let's call. Who wants to ride on my coattails?

4003
08:27:48,060 --> 08:27:50,860
he's. Welcome. I think I think we need to go. I think we need to get back on our 80s workout outfit. We're doing so well.

4004
08:27:54,300 --> 08:27:54,300
c7 ab proposed eminent domain for all houses east of the golf course.

4005
08:28:01,580 --> 08:28:01,580
c7 ab oppose hb 399 large destination resorts.

4006
08:28:09,100 --> 08:28:09,100
commissioner fernandez. Following up on your email from yesterday and commissioner
Dominguez.

4007
08:28:14,460 --> 08:28:14,460
yeah, it truly is alarming to see yet again the legislature trying to become the zoning
Board for the city of miami beach.

4008
08:28:25,110 --> 08:28:25,110
these are the the powers of our historic preservation board are so important.

4009
08:28:31,150 --> 08:28:31,150
and when someone sees that they might not be getting their way before our our historic
Preservation board,

4010
08:28:38,510 --> 08:28:38,510
our legislature shouldn't be facilitating circumventing people,
The residents, the taxpayers of this community who deserve to have a right to be

4011
08:28:48,390 --> 08:28:48,390
heard and who deserve for, for for applications having to do with historic properties to
Be vetted based on objective criteria.

4012
08:28:58,390 --> 08:29:02,270
and so and so, you know, my email yesterday laid it out clearly. I'm going to move the item just for the benefit of time.

4013
08:29:05,750 --> 08:29:05,750
but I think we're all probably in agreeance that,
You know, independent of our positions on,

4014
08:29:12,910 --> 08:29:12,910
on on this project preemption and advancing projects through preemption should never be
Tolerated.

4015
08:29:20,880 --> 08:29:20,880
I second. Well, said, commissioner fernandez.

4016
08:29:25,120 --> 08:29:28,480
call the vote. All in favor of c7 ab, please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? It's approved. Seven zero c7 ab.

4017
08:29:34,840 --> 08:29:34,840
let's call r nine. Ad. Nine. Ad. Discuss. Possible motion to reconsider fpl easements.

4018
08:29:44,640 --> 08:29:47,520
commissioner fernandez. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I place this item on the agenda because of the public safety and neighborhood quality of
Life committee.

4019
08:29:52,280 --> 08:29:52,280
we were getting an update on the fifth street bridge on the fifth street pedestrian
Bridge.

4020
08:29:59,840 --> 08:29:59,840
and and and there were concerns about communication coordination with fpl and with a
Developer who's building a general

4021
08:30:09,720 --> 08:30:09,720
obligation bond project on behalf of, of the city.

4022
08:30:14,640 --> 08:30:14,640
and so, you know, just for the benefit of time,
My proposal would be simply to tell the city manager,

4023
08:30:19,890 --> 08:30:19,890
hey, listen sign the easement agreement. Once you feel that all parties have exhausted all
Efforts

4024
08:30:30,570 --> 08:30:33,490
rather than repealing, just simply ask you, mr. Manager. Once you feel that we're all on the same page,
That we've all exhausted our efforts at that point sign,

4025
08:30:40,410 --> 08:30:40,410
because at the end of the day, you know, this is a voter approved general obligation bond
Project.

4026
08:30:47,170 --> 08:30:47,170
the developer is concerned that there has been uncertainty as to the accuracy of the
Location of critical transmission lines coming into our city to serve

4027
08:30:56,490 --> 08:30:56,490
13,000 people. And so and so there has to be coordination.

4028
08:31:00,970 --> 08:31:00,970
and I know fpl has been trying to be a good partner,
Coming to the table, offering to do some digging and funding that digging up to up to a

4029
08:31:09,690 --> 08:31:09,690
certain point. But we need to make sure that those conversations and negotiations continue
Smoothly so that we don't hold up this important infrastructure project,

4030
08:31:19,100 --> 08:31:22,060
which is the pedestrian bridge over the macarthur causeway. Are you comfortable? If we provide you with that direction?

4031
08:31:24,620 --> 08:31:27,940
yes. All right. I'll make that motion. If I could,
Madam. Yes. Commissioner. Mr. City manager, can you give a one minute synopsis of what's going
On?

4032
08:31:35,940 --> 08:31:38,420
because people are getting bits and pieces all over. Can you give a one minute synopsis? And then I have a follow up question or two.

4033
08:31:42,940 --> 08:31:42,940
so I don't know if I can deliver it in one minute,
But I can try.

4034
08:31:47,060 --> 08:31:47,060
it is a situation where we have a team designing the pedestrian bridge.

4035
08:31:55,420 --> 08:31:55,420
they've designed the foundations at least twice now,
And in each of those instances, when they designed it based on the information that they

4036
08:32:04,940 --> 08:32:04,940
had available to them on utility locations, additional information became available
Saying,

4037
08:32:12,350 --> 08:32:16,110
oh no, we do have utilities in that location. And so we're now looking at a potential third redesign.

4038
08:32:21,830 --> 08:32:21,830
that third redesign is drawing out the process,
Drawing out the costs, and is creating a lot of friction.

4039
08:32:31,910 --> 08:32:31,910
we just need to have some clarity as to where the utilities are located,
So that we can design it one more time and be done with it.

4040
08:32:39,790 --> 08:32:39,790
so what is the timeline now for this project,
And is the entire project's viability in question if we do not

4041
08:32:49,590 --> 08:32:52,070
sugarcoat it, please. I'm not sugarcoating anything. If we cannot get clarity as to where these utilities are located,
Then there may be too much liability at stake for the

4042
08:33:01,630 --> 08:33:01,630
design team or the contractor to want to move forward with these uncertainties.

4043
08:33:07,430 --> 08:33:07,430
so we've been sitting here promising this to our residents.

4044
08:33:12,440 --> 08:33:12,440
it was in a geo bond. I got involved in the city before my daughter was born for this
Project.

4045
08:33:19,720 --> 08:33:19,720
whose fault is this? And if you don't want to take that on,
There's representatives from the development team that's here.

4046
08:33:27,560 --> 08:33:27,560
the lady from fpl calls me and tells me she'll give me her side of the story every day.

4047
08:33:32,320 --> 08:33:34,880
I want it here in public. Who's fault is this? This isn't like. Oh, we we both tried and just couldn't make it happen.

4048
08:33:40,360 --> 08:33:40,360
this is somebody's fault. There were things in the ground and we didn't know they were
There.

4049
08:33:47,640 --> 08:33:51,280
that doesn't just happen. And I know it's not our fault. I'm going out on a limb saying it's not the city's fault.

4050
08:33:53,920 --> 08:33:53,920
I think there's 2 or 3 culpable parties, perhaps in your assessment,
Who was at fault.

4051
08:34:02,280 --> 08:34:02,280
so as a utility owner, they're saying that as the city.

4052
08:34:08,180 --> 08:34:08,180
the city is a utility owner. There are many times that we believe that we have utilities
In a certain location,

4053
08:34:15,260 --> 08:34:15,260
and we find out later that they are not exactly where we believed they were.

4054
08:34:20,940 --> 08:34:20,940
so I do have a little bit of sympathy, maybe for another utility owner that is in that
Same situation.

4055
08:34:30,780 --> 08:34:30,780
but they as a city is our primary business. Owning and locating utilities.

4056
08:34:38,740 --> 08:34:38,740
is that our primary business model? It's not our primary business,
But it's one of our one of a million different things.

4057
08:34:47,020 --> 08:34:50,580
could I interject just just just for one second,
Just to close that out. If you are a publicly traded, multibillion dollar corporation and that is your primary
Business model,

4058
08:34:58,900 --> 08:34:58,900
you should have a little higher standard of knowing exactly what's happening.

4059
08:35:03,900 --> 08:35:06,590
but go ahead, commissioner or city manager. Yeah. And I just wanted to mention, you know, I think and I want to,
You know, thank both parties.

4060
08:35:13,190 --> 08:35:13,190
I know that the developer who's taking on the project for for the city has been investing
A lot of time,

4061
08:35:20,110 --> 08:35:20,110
a lot of effort in working with fpl and fpl is doing stuff that is unconventional for for
Fpl to do.

4062
08:35:28,070 --> 08:35:31,270
if I were to answer your question, who would I say is responsible? I would say usac. Who is the company that is sent out there to identify?

4063
08:35:38,230 --> 08:35:40,990
I mean, this is just me. I mean, I'm I'm just a layperson. I mean, I'm not an engineer. Just seeing it from a very from from a distance.

4064
08:35:45,790 --> 08:35:48,190
they're the ones that came out here three times. They're the ones that said, okay, this is where the utility is.

4065
08:35:51,710 --> 08:35:51,710
and then it wasn't there. And then a second location then now it's a third location.

4066
08:35:57,190 --> 08:35:57,190
and because of that inconsistency of not pinpointing exactly where this utility is,
It's the concern that is raising now about about the

4067
08:36:06,800 --> 08:36:06,800
liability if if the developer starts drilling.

4068
08:36:11,960 --> 08:36:15,880
and what if this company was wrong again? What if this company. City manager's reaction. I'll turn it to him.

4069
08:36:19,480 --> 08:36:19,480
for if you agree with that assessment. So unfortunately,
I'm not so sure that I can put them first in line.

4070
08:36:27,440 --> 08:36:27,440
ubcic is is a locate company. They're only as good as the information that they're
Provided.

4071
08:36:32,960 --> 08:36:36,080
so who provided the wrongful wrongful information? Am I mis wording that it is factually wrong? So we have gotten very inconclusive
Information

4072
08:36:46,240 --> 08:36:46,240
from the utilities that are out there. Ultimately,
Please.

4073
08:36:51,400 --> 08:36:51,400
what's that binding primarily fp and l some information on our side

4074
08:37:01,120 --> 08:37:01,120
from the water lines that are being relocated has been challenging.

4075
08:37:05,890 --> 08:37:05,890
I can't say that we were perfect either. But that's not what's driving it now.

4076
08:37:11,970 --> 08:37:11,970
the water has been relocated. That's out of the way.

4077
08:37:16,930 --> 08:37:16,930
the challenge at this moment in time is the location of the fpnl directional drill that
Goes underneath the the

4078
08:37:27,290 --> 08:37:27,290
the macarthur bridge at a depth of somewhere between 30 and 40ft.

4079
08:37:33,970 --> 08:37:33,970
and we have drilled shaft piers for the foundation of the bridge that when they were doing
A test hole,

4080
08:37:42,210 --> 08:37:42,210
they came in contact with one of the hdpe, we believe,
Sheaths of those transmission lines.

4081
08:37:52,170 --> 08:37:52,170
and that that is what is causing us a great deal of consternation right now,
Because if we hadn't done the test hole,

4082
08:37:59,210 --> 08:37:59,210
if we had just done a auger, we could have potentially hurt somebody and we could have
Potentially knocked out power to 13,000

4083
08:38:09,100 --> 08:38:09,100
people. A lot of big words. I'm going to dumb it down to a simple mind that even myself
Can understand,

4084
08:38:15,220 --> 08:38:18,460
and then maybe turn it over to. I guess this gentleman is from fpl. Tell me if I'm wrong. We had this project for the pedestrian bridge.

4085
08:38:25,980 --> 08:38:29,940
it needs to land somewhere and it needs to originate somewhere. Part of that is a design critical to that design is the underground utilities and where
Those are placed.

4086
08:38:37,500 --> 08:38:37,500
fpl told us they were placed in spot x when drilling actually happened.

4087
08:38:44,860 --> 08:38:44,860
they were placed in spot y, and that could have caused the critical catastrophe.

4088
08:38:51,540 --> 08:38:51,540
thankfully, it did not. But now, because the projects were designed with the utilities
Being placed where fpl said they were.

4089
08:39:00,070 --> 08:39:00,070
and it's in an alternative location. The designs that we've done several times now are not
Viable,

4090
08:39:06,950 --> 08:39:06,950
and when we do these designs, it's not just we go back for a week.

4091
08:39:11,070 --> 08:39:11,070
this is a year long process. So if we have to redesign again the design will take a year
And then it has to go through permitting.

4092
08:39:19,550 --> 08:39:19,550
so we're talking about an extension of this project that should have been started years
Ago is now at least two years out.

4093
08:39:27,750 --> 08:39:27,750
and now perhaps the entire viability of the project may not even work.

4094
08:39:34,230 --> 08:39:34,230
so I would agree with most of what you said. The only thing that I would tweak slightly is
The first time,

4095
08:39:42,390 --> 08:39:42,390
or maybe the first two times out there it was us.

4096
08:39:46,510 --> 08:39:46,510
esi based off of information that they had gotten from fpl,
Who were they there locating company?

4097
08:39:54,070 --> 08:39:54,070
they basically they go out there and paint the lines that everybody hates on the sidewalk.

4098
08:39:59,160 --> 08:40:02,400
oh, I hate them too. They are. They are awful. They are. Fpl is better at us. I mean, where's their accountability to our city?

4099
08:40:10,760 --> 08:40:13,840
I mean, they make it look like absolute trash. But we'll get to them. Okay, let's. We have fpl in front of us.

4100
08:40:17,160 --> 08:40:21,000
fpl has been very responsive. I mean, they've they've come to the table. You know, we've we've brought light to this issue ever since that that public safety
Meeting where we were discussing this they've been in

4101
08:40:30,640 --> 08:40:30,640
touch with alice and hector over, over at the developers team.

4102
08:40:35,920 --> 08:40:35,920
so we're seeing progress. But I just I don't feel comfortable with the city manager
Signing these easements that we approved at the last meeting.

4103
08:40:45,680 --> 08:40:45,680
until we have certainty that we're going to that we're going to,
You know, really have clear a clear path forward,

4104
08:40:52,360 --> 08:40:52,360
because as you said, commissioner the city has been working on this for so long,
And and it could threaten the the possible viability of this entire

4105
08:41:01,770 --> 08:41:01,770
project. Yeah. When when I go to publix and talk to voters,
I don't get to sit there and go,

4106
08:41:06,690 --> 08:41:06,690
oh, I try fpl. They did this or us esi they did this or the developer did this.

4107
08:41:14,410 --> 08:41:14,410
they go, you're elected. Here was the promise.

4108
08:41:19,050 --> 08:41:22,130
it's not happening. We get that blame, right? We do. So how does this move forward? Well, we made a motion,
And I think the administration is working

4109
08:41:32,970 --> 08:41:36,290
is having meetings and conversations, I think david martinez. David gomez and yourself have been, have, have been liaison working with fpl and with and
With the developer.

4110
08:41:43,810 --> 08:41:46,210
so I think they just need time to figure this out. Mr. Manager, so right now how I see this moving forward is ultimately the fpl has agreed
To go out there and soft dig

4111
08:41:56,110 --> 08:41:56,110
their line from alton road until it drops away too deep for them to be able to soft dig,
So that at least will know the approximate

4112
08:42:05,270 --> 08:42:05,270
location. What the infrastructure is is a single conduit with multiple lines inside.

4113
08:42:12,270 --> 08:42:12,270
is it multiple conduits? We don't even know that level of certainty right now.

4114
08:42:18,030 --> 08:42:18,030
and based on that information, we can give that to the design team and see if they have
Enough to be able to move forward with a revised

4115
08:42:27,950 --> 08:42:27,950
design. We also need to verify with fpl that two other line locates that they've done.

4116
08:42:35,190 --> 08:42:35,190
are those clear now or are those something else that's out there that we haven't
Identified yet?

4117
08:42:42,190 --> 08:42:42,190
we have to get best case scenario, we don't start seeing a visible construction of this
For at a minimum,

4118
08:42:48,310 --> 08:42:48,310
two years, I think it two years is probably an outside date.

4119
08:42:54,240 --> 08:42:54,240
I would hope that we could do redesign and permitting inside of 12 to 16 months.

4120
08:43:01,560 --> 08:43:01,560
but yes, it is certainly a a delay. Vice mayor,
Did you you mentioned you wanted to speak on this.

4121
08:43:09,960 --> 08:43:09,960
yes. Yes I did I just want to say that I'm going to be working on an item for the march
Commission

4122
08:43:20,080 --> 08:43:20,080
meeting that will look at the feasibility if we have to redesign now the bridge.

4123
08:43:26,440 --> 08:43:26,440
I'd like to look at the feasibility of having the bridge go underneath the macarthur
Causeway.

4124
08:43:30,960 --> 08:43:30,960
so that way we don't have to disturb the lines,
The fpl lines, where they are.

4125
08:43:35,360 --> 08:43:35,360
that's all I want to say. Now, if we hand it to the public,
I'm sure we're going to hear it's not the developer's fault.

4126
08:43:42,440 --> 08:43:46,240
not fpl's fault. So we have a motion on the table. And I think, joe, you seconded the motion? I did.

4127
08:43:50,050 --> 08:43:52,730
and while I want to move forward, I do want to be fair. If it's okay with you all to fpl because chelsea,
Who is seemingly personally a very, very lovely person has reached out and said,

4128
08:44:01,610 --> 08:44:04,610
let me give you the full story. I want to hear it in public. So if you wouldn't mind. It seems like you would mind,
But you're putting on a good face.

4129
08:44:11,290 --> 08:44:11,290
thank you. If we could. Good afternoon, mayors and commissioners.

4130
08:44:17,770 --> 08:44:20,050
my name is christopher ferrer. I'm not chelsea. I'm covering for her because she had a plane to catch today. It's good to be back here in
The city of miami beach and see some familiar faces around the dais.

4131
08:44:28,050 --> 08:44:28,050
all I really just wanted to say was to give a little bit more context and background as to
What,

4132
08:44:32,370 --> 08:44:32,370
you know, what's been happening out here and what the infrastructure we're talking about.
What some of the background information on it.

4133
08:44:39,210 --> 08:44:39,210
right. The feeder lines that we're referring to in this case are over 25 years old.

4134
08:44:44,210 --> 08:44:44,210
they've been in the ground since about 1999,
Back before we had digital and cad drawings and more sophisticated record drawings that we

4135
08:44:53,700 --> 08:44:53,700
could provide. What we do. And by the way, there at depth as they go under the bay that
Are plus 30ft under the ground.

4136
08:45:00,780 --> 08:45:00,780
right. And so what we do is we try to provide the best record drawings that we have of
What is in the ground.

4137
08:45:07,900 --> 08:45:11,500
so then the locates and the utilities can be identified. But really, it's the responsibility of both the utility and the developer or the builder
To ensure that the utilities are properly located.

4138
08:45:18,140 --> 08:45:18,140
right. We give our best estimate, an estimate,
And then soft digs or other sorts of non-intrusive trenching or digging has to be done to

4139
08:45:27,020 --> 08:45:27,020
properly locate it. And what we're doing now,
And it's currently in motion right now, is we have a contractor that will be going out

4140
08:45:33,300 --> 08:45:33,300
there to dig the duct bank and try to identify where the bore pipe comes up and try to get
A better sense of direction as to where that pipe goes.

4141
08:45:42,420 --> 08:45:42,420
and then we will be sharing that information with the group that's building the bridge,
And hopefully have some clarity here over the next couple of weeks.

4142
08:45:50,390 --> 08:45:50,390
so if I could hope to have your commitment that these things would ever comes up or turned
Around as quickly as possible.

4143
08:45:56,750 --> 08:45:56,750
absolutely. So we have the best path and direction forward. I also want to add that in
Addition to uscis,

4144
08:46:01,750 --> 08:46:01,750
us, esi going out to do locates, we ourselves have had our locators out there.

4145
08:46:06,910 --> 08:46:06,910
we've even purchased equipment in an effort to get a better idea as to where this this,
These facilities are located.

4146
08:46:12,870 --> 08:46:12,870
and so we've been discussing with the builder now for,
For probably the last couple of months on options to move forward.

4147
08:46:18,790 --> 08:46:18,790
and I think we have a good plan of action that hopefully will bear some some fruit for us
Here and we can move forward.

4148
08:46:28,270 --> 08:46:28,270
commissioner magazine commissioner magazine. Chelsea's online if you want to hear I think.

4149
08:46:32,670 --> 08:46:36,070
chris. Yeah, I think chris stepped in adequately. And thank you again. I know that the moment that this came up,
You all have been incredibly responsive to our meetings.

4150
08:46:42,600 --> 08:46:42,600
there's been conversations with the developer and so and so there's a motion on the table.

4151
08:46:48,320 --> 08:46:48,320
I think it's been seconded. And let's call the vote.

4152
08:46:52,520 --> 08:46:52,520
so all in favor the motion is asking the city manager only to sign the easements as soon
As he feels comfortable that everything has been

4153
08:47:02,520 --> 08:47:02,520
settled, everything has been arranged in a way that he's comfortable with.

4154
08:47:08,160 --> 08:47:08,160
when everybody's done everything that they can do to move forward in good faith.

4155
08:47:12,920 --> 08:47:12,920
doesn't that happen anyway, I hope so. Motion by commissioner fernandez,
Seconded by commissioner magazine.

4156
08:47:22,160 --> 08:47:25,720
all in favor of the direction given. Please say aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Hearing none. The direction is approved.

4157
08:47:30,280 --> 08:47:34,160
seven zero. We don't need an after the fact of that. Correct,
Rick? No, after the fact. Thank you. No, I don't think that's direction.

4158
08:47:41,690 --> 08:47:41,690
r7l. Seven l is city sponsored senior

4159
08:47:51,290 --> 08:47:51,290
events. Commissioner bhatt co sponsor commissioner magazine.

4160
08:47:57,410 --> 08:47:57,410
yeah. We've discussed this at great length and just never took action on it.

4161
08:48:02,530 --> 08:48:02,530
and I would like to move it forward. Okay. Let's call the vote.

4162
08:48:09,650 --> 08:48:09,650
I think we the last time we discussed this, we wanted to make some modifications to who
Could attend.

4163
08:48:17,330 --> 08:48:17,330
right? Was what? What's the change? Yeah. What's the change?

4164
08:48:23,410 --> 08:48:23,410
the way it stands currently is that the way it stands currently is that if you are an
Elected official,

4165
08:48:30,490 --> 08:48:30,490
if you are having an official role in the event in the four convention center events that
We pay for with taxpayer dollars

4166
08:48:40,500 --> 08:48:40,500
for the enjoyment and benefit of our senior residents.

4167
08:48:44,620 --> 08:48:44,620
then you are a welcome participant. If you are a candidate,
You are welcome to bring your materials to the to

4168
08:48:54,420 --> 08:48:54,420
the foyer area downstairs and have a table. But that,
You know, what we saw in this campaign

4169
08:49:04,500 --> 08:49:04,500
cycle where somebody who hadn't even filed papers yet to be a candidate was there with a
Videographer and campaign stuff.

4170
08:49:14,540 --> 08:49:14,540
in prior campaigns, we saw somebody I don't remember if he had filed yet or not,
But he was there printing photographs with the city seal on it.

4171
08:49:24,180 --> 08:49:24,180
I mean, it's abusive. And, you know, I have no issue with residents having an opportunity
To meet their elected officials,

4172
08:49:32,660 --> 08:49:32,660
whether they are running for office or not. But I think using taxpayer dollars to co-opt
What should be a really fun evening out for residents who may not get

4173
08:49:42,350 --> 08:49:42,350
those fun evenings out all that often. Should be kept to that purpose.

4174
08:49:47,030 --> 08:49:47,030
there are plenty of other times to campaign. You know,
We saw people running for sheriff and tax collector and positions that have nothing to do

4175
08:49:54,310 --> 08:49:58,230
really with with miami beach. And it's just it's egregious. And so I, I and my co-sponsor, joe magazine commissioner magazine think that enough is
Enough.

4176
08:50:07,590 --> 08:50:07,590
well, I'm just just to clarify, the tax collector has a lot to do with miami beach,
And so does the sheriff,

4177
08:50:12,710 --> 08:50:12,710
right? I get what you're saying, and it certainly does seem.

4178
08:50:17,430 --> 08:50:17,430
it certainly does seem abusive. I think I think the issue that I had was and I'm and I'm
Glad this has been corrected is if if you are a

4179
08:50:27,310 --> 08:50:27,310
candidate, you you should be welcome to come because I don't want to give an unfair
Advantage to an incumbent.

4180
08:50:33,390 --> 08:50:33,390
you know, technically I'm an incumbent, so I'm thankful for that.

4181
08:50:37,570 --> 08:50:37,570
to be clear, it's if you are an elected official,
You are welcome to come.

4182
08:50:42,170 --> 08:50:42,170
if you're a candidate, you can come and bring your materials to a table outside,
But not come into the ballroom to work the room.

4183
08:50:50,090 --> 08:50:53,730
that's, I believe, where we netted out. And I think that's fair. You still have access to all the people coming in and out.

4184
08:50:56,650 --> 08:51:00,530
you're just not destroying the work that the parks and rec team. Monique, I think her name is is that her name?

4185
08:51:03,730 --> 08:51:03,730
the tall woman who's in scott rec center who does so much the planning of those events.

4186
08:51:11,410 --> 08:51:11,410
okay. Anyhow, I don't I don't think those events should be co-opted for people to come in
And and

4187
08:51:21,490 --> 08:51:21,490
do their electioneering. So I have a couple. I have a couple questions,
If you don't mind.

4188
08:51:27,090 --> 08:51:27,090
so first of all, we did pass some, some some legislation,
Which I think you did a much such a good job,

4189
08:51:33,980 --> 08:51:37,020
eric and your team. So I'll give you that. Just. I want to make clear. So candidates and electeds can only put the materials in the front.

4190
08:51:42,660 --> 08:51:42,660
I think that's what we have now. Right. So even just to be clear,
Even the elected us could not hand out materials in the in the ballroom.

4191
08:51:50,620 --> 08:51:50,620
correct. But like right now, for example, when electeds like our tax collector,
Our election

4192
08:52:00,220 --> 08:52:00,220
supervisor, our state representative I, I would they do come up and sometimes they
Actually speak to the,

4193
08:52:07,420 --> 08:52:07,420
to the crowd. What would would that be allowed still under this ordinance?

4194
08:52:12,980 --> 08:52:15,780
yeah. They're elected. Right? They're not elected. Miami beach just want to make sure they're not miami beach officials.

4195
08:52:20,580 --> 08:52:20,580
so I think the intent is for the I don't have the language in front of me the second.

4196
08:52:25,300 --> 08:52:25,300
but in john, I don't know if you want to address this,
But the intent is for elected officials who have a role in the event.

4197
08:52:33,790 --> 08:52:33,790
so presumably all of us. Oh, rob. Hi. All of us as city officials would presumably have a
Role in the event

4198
08:52:43,790 --> 08:52:43,790
to welcome our residents and share holiday greetings and do those sorts of things.

4199
08:52:52,030 --> 08:52:52,030
I, I don't know that we ever contemplated county officials.

4200
08:52:57,830 --> 08:52:57,830
elected officials. Yeah. From where I'm at, if you're an elected official representing
These people,

4201
08:53:04,390 --> 08:53:04,390
you should be allowed in. And I get. Oh, well,
That could be an unfair advantage.

4202
08:53:09,070 --> 08:53:12,710
well, for the same reason a candidate doesn't sit up here. To me, we're not doing that campaigning. We're doing that as part of our elected duty.

4203
08:53:18,110 --> 08:53:18,110
right. Working with our constituents. So I'd like to extend it to any elected official
That's representing the populace there.

4204
08:53:27,230 --> 08:53:31,200
and I thought that's what we already settled upon. No. At the last discussion, which was quite a while ago,
There was some concern raised along these lines,

4205
08:53:38,120 --> 08:53:38,120
but there was no alternative. Settled upon that.

4206
08:53:43,560 --> 08:53:43,560
the way this is drafted is to break what has been arguably the creation of some kind of
Open forum where people can go

4207
08:53:53,200 --> 08:53:53,200
into our senior events and campaign for whatever they want or talk about whatever they
Want to the seniors,

4208
08:54:02,920 --> 08:54:02,920
whether they have any connection to miami beach or whether they are the people that we're
Trying to serve.

4209
08:54:10,360 --> 08:54:10,360
this resolution is written in order to take control back of that potentially created open
Forum and make this

4210
08:54:20,440 --> 08:54:20,440
a clearly a city of miami beach sponsored event,
So that nobody outside of the city program has a right to go in and

4211
08:54:31,090 --> 08:54:31,090
sell avon to campaign to to preach for a certain church or to

4212
08:54:40,170 --> 08:54:40,170
proselytize. This resolution creates a, a sponsored city event that

4213
08:54:50,170 --> 08:54:53,970
is not open to the public, except for those people who are listed. It allows you as elected officials to still go if you're a part of the program,
Which is normally the case when the city puts on a sponsored event

4214
08:55:05,210 --> 08:55:05,210
you are invited to come. And if you decide to come,
You're given a role like speaking to the to the group doing the pledge of allegiance,

4215
08:55:14,170 --> 08:55:14,170
giving a proclamation. Something is given, something is assigned to you to do to justify
You as part of the city event without creating

4216
08:55:24,130 --> 08:55:24,130
an open forum that allows everyone to come in and deluge the seniors with materials of all
Kinds.

4217
08:55:32,540 --> 08:55:32,540
so an elected official from the county or state that represents the miami beach residents
And probably a wider,

4218
08:55:42,340 --> 08:55:42,340
wider representation, could they come in? Not the way this is written.

4219
08:55:48,900 --> 08:55:48,900
yeah, that's what I that's what I thought. I think that's where we got to I personally
Think we got to tweak it. If you're an elected official representing miami beach

4220
08:55:56,300 --> 08:55:56,300
residents, I think it's going to be a tough time telling elena garcia and dariel and vicki
Lopez who come to these like,

4221
08:56:02,860 --> 08:56:02,860
oh, sorry, you can't come in. And I actually,
I'm in favor of amending it that way.

4222
08:56:08,860 --> 08:56:11,580
and I believe, my friend, I'm fine with amending it. I mean, the goal is to keep it from being an electioneering event.

4223
08:56:15,980 --> 08:56:15,980
so if an elected official wants to come in and give his or her season's greetings or
Whatever,

4224
08:56:22,860 --> 08:56:22,860
that's one thing. The concern is that by opening up in that way to elected officials,
But not to candidates you would

4225
08:56:32,550 --> 08:56:32,550
be creating a kind of open forum and violating the first amendment by allowing elected
Officials,

4226
08:56:40,430 --> 08:56:40,430
but not candidates. We sort of made clear that you could come because you are part of the
Program and you.

4227
08:56:49,150 --> 08:56:49,150
and that is factually true. Almost any city event.

4228
08:56:53,550 --> 08:56:53,550
the chair, if I may. But, rob, if if the other elected officials are also given a role
During the program,

4229
08:57:00,830 --> 08:57:00,830
wouldn't the same rationale apply? Like if which is actually how it always is,
They come up and they just got elected.

4230
08:57:08,470 --> 08:57:08,470
he's not already out campaigning. He's there from the first event,
Doing his duty liaising with his constituents.

4231
08:57:18,510 --> 08:57:18,510
these are their constituents, right? I think where this like the premise kind of fails is
That this is some sort of campaign event.

4232
08:57:26,480 --> 08:57:26,480
no, we're we're here in our official capacity.

4233
08:57:31,080 --> 08:57:31,080
right. The tax collector and our county commissioners are there in their official
Capacity.

4234
08:57:39,000 --> 08:57:39,000
but rob is saying that if we do open it up, then and excluding candidates,
You're opening up a possible violation to a first amendment.

4235
08:57:46,560 --> 08:57:46,560
the general rule is, if you have elected officials,
You have to allow candidates.

4236
08:57:51,360 --> 08:57:51,360
also the we so what to anything. But it's elected officials in in their role in their
Elected role.

4237
08:58:00,360 --> 08:58:00,360
it's not them coming to campaign. It's them saying I'm here to give holiday greetings to
The residents of miami beach who I serve.

4238
08:58:10,680 --> 08:58:10,680
thank you. Good night. And they're out. If we would go and talk at a school,
Maybe a school is not the best example,

4239
08:58:15,920 --> 08:58:15,920
because that's a school board, a different jurisdiction.

4240
08:58:20,220 --> 08:58:23,660
but let's just say it was a miami beach school,
Right? We would say yes. Mayor minor can go and speak at this school because this is his
Community he's elected to represent.

4241
08:58:32,340 --> 08:58:32,340
you're telling me that some candidate that is running for commission or mayor gets to go
And say,

4242
08:58:41,140 --> 08:58:41,140
well, I get to go talk to those little kids,
Too, because the mayor's there at an event like ours,

4243
08:58:47,660 --> 08:58:47,660
which has traditionally been run something like an open forum where people can,
It's not.

4244
08:58:52,820 --> 08:58:55,100
and that's what we're trying to prevent. Right. But we unfortunately come to this with the history of our event,
The way it has been.

4245
08:58:59,860 --> 08:58:59,860
and so this resolution is an attempt to break from what has been very arguably in the
Past,

4246
08:59:08,260 --> 08:59:08,260
an open forum. I can try to wordsmith a little bit to if you want to include county
Officials who are part of the program

4247
08:59:18,390 --> 08:59:18,390
as well. But you are it makes it slightly less clear if

4248
08:59:28,350 --> 08:59:28,350
we were challenged, I mean, and again, I mean,
I'm not trying to be difficult, right.

4249
08:59:34,950 --> 08:59:34,950
but we're all candidates at one point. Yeah. I don't,
You know, I mean, and I, you know, there was there was a commissioner at the time I didn't

4250
08:59:43,510 --> 08:59:43,510
like. And, you know, I mean, what's to say that that why does that person have an unfair
Advantage?

4251
08:59:50,310 --> 08:59:50,310
I mean, I understand, commissioner, but you're saying that they would be there in their
Official capacity,

4252
08:59:55,670 --> 08:59:55,670
but just simply being there is technically campaigning,
Right?

4253
09:00:00,150 --> 09:00:00,150
I mean, it could be that about this. Like a,
Like a candidate can't sit up here.

4254
09:00:05,830 --> 09:00:05,830
right. But this is different. There's like there's like a thousand people there. This is
This is an opportunity for that thousand people to see you,

4255
09:00:12,670 --> 09:00:16,200
hear you. And again, I'm saying this as an incumbent. I just don't think it's fair to say that we're going to have a built in advantage for
These events

4256
09:00:26,560 --> 09:00:26,560
and exclude possible contenders. Listen, my,
My, I feel so strongly about this that I would rather none of us know how I would feel.

4257
09:00:36,480 --> 09:00:36,480
yeah, go at all. It's bizarre. But you guys are looking at it like,
As a campaign.

4258
09:00:41,560 --> 09:00:41,560
these are people. These are constituents. And now you're telling me there's an event for
Them and we can't go there and talk to them?

4259
09:00:47,480 --> 09:00:47,480
but if their constituents, then a candidate who may appeal and listen,
This could be 20 years from now.

4260
09:00:52,000 --> 09:00:52,000
it could be when we're long gone. If there is a constituent or there is a candidate who
Wants to appeal those constituents but can't because of this law that's blocking

4261
09:01:02,320 --> 09:01:05,760
or that's giving an unfair advantage to an incumbent,
It's not fair. It's not giving unfair advantage to an incumbent when the person is doing his or her job
As an elected official,

4262
09:01:12,280 --> 09:01:14,490
like the fact that we're having this debate again. The fact that this these events have been co-opted into this,
This feeding frenzy for electioneering is precisely why I've been trying to get

4263
09:01:24,410 --> 09:01:26,730
this passed for the better part of two years. It is grotesque. It is not appropriate. You know,
I'm sorry that, you know, the fact that you already won an election and you are doing your

4264
09:01:34,450 --> 09:01:37,850
job gives you an unfair advantage as an incumbent. But you did run and win, and you are doing the job.

4265
09:01:42,050 --> 09:01:44,970
and part of the job is interacting with your constituents. It is not the taxpayer. It is not the city of miami beach.

4266
09:01:48,930 --> 09:01:48,930
it to the role of the city of miami beach to provide an open electioneering forum that if
We want to do that,

4267
09:01:57,570 --> 09:01:57,570
then that's a whole different conversation. And then,
You know, that's that's a different event,

4268
09:02:02,570 --> 09:02:02,570
that's a different conversation. I mean, we do give candidates,
Whether incumbent or, or neophytes,

4269
09:02:11,690 --> 09:02:11,690
an opportunity for a 2 or 3 minute televised.

4270
09:02:17,340 --> 09:02:17,340
video that gets broadcast for free. That is perfectly fine.

4271
09:02:21,700 --> 09:02:21,700
that's something we choose to do. What I'm saying is that this is something that has been
Evolved through the parks department to provide some r&r for our senior

4272
09:02:31,540 --> 09:02:31,540
residents and their guests. And we have turned it into something that is embarrassing.

4273
09:02:38,100 --> 09:02:41,780
it's it's grotesque, and I don't think it's appropriate. Yeah. Mayor, I mean, you and I, we've spoken the last two years at the parks and rec
Summer camp graduation.

4274
09:02:48,820 --> 09:02:48,820
not because we're campaigning, right? I did it five months after being elected.

4275
09:02:54,740 --> 09:02:58,380
it's because that's. I go to events every day. Yeah, that's our civic duty. Right. That that is our civic duty.

4276
09:03:02,420 --> 09:03:02,420
imagine if we'd say, well, anytime you go to the parks and rec graduation ceremony and
Thank all the families and the children for coming and we have this

4277
09:03:12,270 --> 09:03:12,270
amazing program. The candidate a gets to be there and do it with you,
Right?

4278
09:03:18,030 --> 09:03:20,790
because that's somehow like an unfair advantage. Aren't they allowed in? That's what we're really saying. Well,
First of all, and I think it's a good discussion,

4279
09:03:26,390 --> 09:03:26,390
I think we've cleaned it up a lot. To me, it was much better this time around.

4280
09:03:30,470 --> 09:03:30,470
there obviously may have been examples that. But I'll give you an example from several
Years ago.

4281
09:03:35,030 --> 09:03:35,030
there was a candidate who happened to like I won't mention the name,
But the person came in with like 20 dancers.

4282
09:03:40,990 --> 09:03:40,990
I mean, it was crazy. It was a spectacle. It's like michael jackson.

4283
09:03:45,350 --> 09:03:45,350
yes, that and I think and I think it was your legislation not having the campaign
Materials in the room.

4284
09:03:52,430 --> 09:03:55,830
I think it was a good move. That's you come in if you want to take it,
You take it. But otherwise, again, I don't feel strongly I think I think it is a little bit of an
Advantage,

4285
09:04:01,230 --> 09:04:04,630
obviously as an incumbent if the candidates aren't in. But I don't have a problem personally if they come in because to me that these are there.

4286
09:04:11,960 --> 09:04:11,960
like anything else, if they want to listen and talk to the person,
They'll talk to the person. I try to go around to every table as just to see everybody.

4287
09:04:19,240 --> 09:04:19,240
it's an opportunity that we don't always get. And by the way,
Big picture, because I think we did discuss once maybe toning them down.

4288
09:04:26,080 --> 09:04:26,080
I, I hear all the time they live for this. This is an opportunity for them to get out of
Their apartments.

4289
09:04:33,320 --> 09:04:33,320
come and see. I mean, the city puts on a great,
Great event.

4290
09:04:37,600 --> 09:04:37,600
so kudos john and your team for, for, for doing it.

4291
09:04:43,680 --> 09:04:43,680
but I guess now now I'm talking I just want to me,
The big picture was when we can figure out the candidates,

4292
09:04:48,960 --> 09:04:48,960
I just wanted to make sure these other elected officials,
I think, were in agreement.

4293
09:04:53,840 --> 09:04:57,280
I think I think it would look pretty bad on our city if we didn't allow them in. And they should, I think. I think the seniors want to see them. They want to see their
Their county officials or their or their or their election officer or their tax collector

4294
09:05:06,410 --> 09:05:06,410
who's bringing who's bringing in a license renewal office into miami beach.

4295
09:05:13,450 --> 09:05:13,450
is it going to be a first amendment issue, though? I can wordsmith it to draft it in a way
That it creates the least liability.

4296
09:05:21,010 --> 09:05:21,010
it's not as clear as without it. But you're saying that from the record they would be
Invited to be part of the program to explain what their office

4297
09:05:30,690 --> 09:05:30,690
does. I mean, that is the way I would wordsmith it so that it would be the least
Attackable.

4298
09:05:38,290 --> 09:05:38,290
but what you're the problem that you have here is,
As opposed to all the other examples, is this is an event that is traditionally been run

4299
09:05:45,770 --> 09:05:45,770
as what is essentially an open forum that everyone can go to hand out what they want,
Speak to who they want,

4300
09:05:53,570 --> 09:05:53,570
and anyone can come in. And that is the exact opposite of a city sponsored event where we
Can control

4301
09:06:03,820 --> 09:06:03,820
entry and exit and what the seniors see and what the programing they receive by the parks
Department.

4302
09:06:10,300 --> 09:06:10,300
and so we're making a drastic change, and that's why the wording needs to be right.

4303
09:06:15,780 --> 09:06:15,780
it needs to be right. Through the mayor, if I may,
You know, I appreciate that.

4304
09:06:21,580 --> 09:06:21,580
but at the same time not but and at the same time,
You know, traditionally the the south beach marina was run a certain way and it resulted

4305
09:06:31,220 --> 09:06:31,220
in chaos and unhappy residents and bad business actors coming in and doing all sorts of
Unseemly things.

4306
09:06:37,500 --> 09:06:37,500
and so we drafted legislation that changed that behavior and put strict restrictions on it
To accomplish the goal of changing behavior.

4307
09:06:45,740 --> 09:06:45,740
and so how is this different from that? We're we're taking something that was historically
Done one way it got abusive.

4308
09:06:53,980 --> 09:06:53,980
so we are now changing how it's run to encourage the behavior that we'd like to see there.

4309
09:07:00,260 --> 09:07:00,260
yeah. I think, if I may, what rob is suggesting is that we're working on on changing on on
Making that change so that going forward,

4310
09:07:09,200 --> 09:07:12,840
the events will be different and that what was done in the past is different. You know, mr. Mayor, I'd like to hear from some of my other colleagues who have spoken
About commissioner.

4311
09:07:17,560 --> 09:07:17,560
mateo- salinas just got elected. Right. You know,
You've you're you're freshly minted from this,

4312
09:07:25,640 --> 09:07:29,040
you know, from what's been going on. I I'd like to hear what you have to say. I'd also like to hear what commissioner fernandez has to say,
Because, you know, we all go to these events and there's there's a discussion on having an

4313
09:07:37,640 --> 09:07:37,640
unfair advantage for an incumbency. I mean, possible first amendment,
You know, issues.

4314
09:07:45,720 --> 09:07:49,000
I, I'd like to I'd like to hear everyone's input on this. I'll tell you what I think about it. I think if we're doing events for the enjoyment of
Seniors,

4315
09:07:53,960 --> 09:07:53,960
and it's an event for the enjoyment of seniors I,
I don't like how politicized these events.

4316
09:08:01,570 --> 09:08:01,570
I don't like it. I mentioned it last year. If we're doing something with the intention for
Seniors to have a good time to socialize with others,

4317
09:08:10,490 --> 09:08:10,490
we need to remove the politics from it. I think that there is an element where they do
Like to see us in person and to talk to us in person,

4318
09:08:20,450 --> 09:08:20,450
but it has become highly politicized. In times there's tension between candidates times
There's tension between an existing

4319
09:08:30,290 --> 09:08:30,290
candidate and a soon to be candidate. And it takes away from the enjoyment of the seniors
Who that should be the foremost priority of this event.

4320
09:08:40,210 --> 09:08:40,210
we're not here talking about how to make the event better for the seniors.

4321
09:08:45,290 --> 09:08:45,290
we're here. We're here talking about an elected official being able to speak,
A candidate being able to show up.

4322
09:08:52,330 --> 09:08:55,050
and we're losing the focus of what this is about. This is about seniors who have limited abilities to socialize and limited abilities to get
Out if it means for them to have a better activity,

4323
09:09:04,740 --> 09:09:04,740
to have a better enjoyment of the event. That I don't get to go into the event,
And that I only am able to stay outside and shake their hands from outside the room and

4324
09:09:14,500 --> 09:09:14,500
not go into the room. I'm fine with that because at the end of the day,
This event that we do should be centered around the enjoyment of the seniors.

4325
09:09:24,060 --> 09:09:24,060
not political speeches, not not, not a candidate that's running for office,
Not anything else.

4326
09:09:31,980 --> 09:09:31,980
and so maybe, maybe, maybe a good way of handling it is that,
You know, we just stay outside the room,

4327
09:09:39,940 --> 09:09:39,940
we greet them outside the room. We're able to engage with them outside the room.

4328
09:09:46,540 --> 09:09:46,540
but inside the room where their party is happening and all and all that,
Then let that be their space to socialize with their neighbors and all that.

4329
09:09:55,060 --> 09:09:55,060
that's that's how I feel about it. And I and it's consistent actually last year.

4330
09:09:59,270 --> 09:09:59,270
last year I while I was a candidate I didn't want to go to them.

4331
09:10:05,310 --> 09:10:05,310
and in fact, I didn't go to many of them because purposefully,
Because I was a candidate I didn't want to create that optic.

4332
09:10:13,030 --> 09:10:13,030
and I actually, I was pressured. I was almost like,
Peer pressured here on the, on the dais one of the times that we were having this

4333
09:10:19,110 --> 09:10:19,110
conversation and I felt guilty, I was kind of,
You know, one of our colleagues at the time was like,

4334
09:10:23,830 --> 09:10:26,790
oh, you're not going to show up. You're, you know,
You have to show up. I think that was me. I think it was you. Yeah,
I think it may have been you.

4335
09:10:30,350 --> 09:10:30,350
yes. This this is this is a this isn't about us.

4336
09:10:37,830 --> 09:10:37,830
this isn't about the guy that's running to be dogcatcher.

4337
09:10:42,750 --> 09:10:42,750
you know, this is this should. If it's about the seniors and we're really doing it with
That intention,

4338
09:10:49,670 --> 09:10:49,670
let's just remove ourselves from it. And then you don't have any first amendment issue,
And then the seniors really just get to have a good time,

4339
09:10:56,840 --> 09:10:59,280
which is ultimately, I think, the intent here. Well, you bring up a good point, which I may have been obvious,
But you you gave me an image.

4340
09:11:04,640 --> 09:11:04,640
the candidate could still be there in the sort of the front area handing out the
Materials.

4341
09:11:09,000 --> 09:11:11,760
so they're going to have the opportunity to interact. But just once inside you're saying when they're enjoying their meal,
Then it's not politicized.

4342
09:11:16,840 --> 09:11:16,840
that's not politicized. Mr. Commissioner mateo-
Salinas.

4343
09:11:21,800 --> 09:11:21,800
so since commissioner suarez asked, I will, you know,
Tell I will share.

4344
09:11:27,720 --> 09:11:27,720
because I did just get off a campaign and I did just win a campaign,
And I did it by going to all of the senior events.

4345
09:11:35,200 --> 09:11:38,680
and I went table by table. I went by myself. I didn't bring anyone with me. I didn't hand out materials. And oftentimes I stayed so late at these senior events
Talking to everybody that I would walk out with them at the end of the event and walk them

4346
09:11:47,640 --> 09:11:51,600
to their busses and still talk to them. And that's how I did it,
Just by myself. I didn't bring a videographer or anyone to. Not a single person was there to take pictures
With me.

4347
09:11:56,970 --> 09:11:56,970
I went to every single table table at that event,
At each events, and I went to every single one of them.

4348
09:12:03,170 --> 09:12:06,450
and I did not have anybody that I was paying the work. The buildings. I didn't have anyone. Not the first round at all.

4349
09:12:10,970 --> 09:12:14,170
I just did it by myself, going table by table to table. I didn't, I didn't, I had I did not have any type of senior outreach other than me walking
Around and talking to people and introducing myself and

4350
09:12:23,930 --> 09:12:26,970
asking what their concerns were, the way that it should be. I was not here when you guys discussed this the first time.

4351
09:12:29,730 --> 09:12:32,010
it was during the campaign, so I was not up here. When you have discussed this before I will say that I also agree that maybe it is good to
Have the campaign stuff

4352
09:12:42,010 --> 09:12:42,010
stop at the ground floor when you come in. But then I think up in the event,
You know, whether it's an incumbent or a candidate.

4353
09:12:51,220 --> 09:12:51,220
I think one person, the candidate or the incumbent,
The commissioner should be allowed to be in there and walk table to table and talk to

4354
09:12:58,220 --> 09:12:58,220
folks with no materials, no bags, no candy, no hats,
No fliers, no fans, no nothing.

4355
09:13:05,260 --> 09:13:08,540
just walk around one person, the candidate, and talk to them. But that's already the law, right? Yeah, we implemented those changes last year.

4356
09:13:12,780 --> 09:13:12,780
so you I mean, obviously you can I mean, if you have an aide or something,
You can come in with their aide,

4357
09:13:20,260 --> 09:13:20,260
but you can't have that materials even even the current incumbents,
We cannot hand out materials.

4358
09:13:26,220 --> 09:13:26,220
but I mean, commissioner mateo- salinas just told us that she went to these events as a
Candidate,

4359
09:13:32,060 --> 09:13:32,060
talk to these people, understood or wanted to listen to their concerns,
And got elected.

4360
09:13:39,100 --> 09:13:39,100
I mean, it's the perfect reason of why you should have a candidate involved.

4361
09:13:45,180 --> 09:13:45,180
I mean, I'm totally against handing out, you know,
Paraphernalia.

4362
09:13:50,070 --> 09:13:53,910
I'm guilty of it at the time. I mean, that's what everyone else was doing. But, you know, the fact that commissioner mateo-
Salinas wasn't against big odds was able to connect with these seniors,

4363
09:14:03,230 --> 09:14:03,230
talk to them, understand their concerns so that she can campaign on them,
Says everything you need to know about this.

4364
09:14:10,710 --> 09:14:10,710
and I don't want to. I don't want to. I want to make it seem like these seniors that were,

4365
09:14:17,470 --> 09:14:17,470
you know, we're going to we're going to police who you can and can't see.

4366
09:14:23,030 --> 09:14:23,030
and especially if someone who wants to hear their concerns about an issue that they have,
That they may not be happy with the current elected official,

4367
09:14:32,190 --> 09:14:35,350
yes, they can be outside, but that's not the same. I mean, it's, you know, everyone comes in, takes 30 minutes,
Events two hours, and everyone leaves in like 15 minutes.

4368
09:14:41,950 --> 09:14:41,950
so you don't really have that same time advantage to to really connect and engage with the
Resident.

4369
09:14:47,250 --> 09:14:47,250
and again, I'm probably shooting myself in the foot because I am an incumbent,
But I just think it's fair in the long run for the next ten,

4370
09:14:55,170 --> 09:14:55,170
20 years that, you know, we do this fairly. One second if I could,
Mr.

4371
09:15:02,650 --> 09:15:02,650
mayor. The fact that we're even talking about these is campaign events is that that's the
Problem,

4372
09:15:08,850 --> 09:15:08,850
right, john? Imagine summer camp. Would it be abnormal for the mayor to come there,
Say, hey,

4373
09:15:16,890 --> 09:15:20,810
kids, welcome to summer camp. Pretty. Pretty normal. It would be as the father of a nine year old that goes to our city camp.

4374
09:15:24,530 --> 09:15:24,530
it would be really freaking weird if somebody went there that was running for commission
To just go to one of these events.

4375
09:15:33,930 --> 09:15:33,930
so the fact that we're even talking about these senior events as if there's some campaign
Breeding ground is the issue.

4376
09:15:42,130 --> 09:15:42,130
are you coming? If I might just I remember I don't remember which election cycle it was or
Which candidate,

4377
09:15:49,380 --> 09:15:49,380
but I remember there, there were at least one,
Maybe more than one candidates going to schools during halloween.

4378
09:15:57,940 --> 09:15:57,940
and I'm not sure if they were on school property or just outside,
But they were talking to parents as they came in and out with their kids because it was a

4379
09:16:06,380 --> 09:16:06,380
good place to intercept parents. And I remember there being a great deal of hue and cry
About that.

4380
09:16:12,220 --> 09:16:12,220
and so, joe, you're exactly right. The fact that we're having this discussion about
Whether or not it's fair for somebody's election goals is exactly why I've brought this

4381
09:16:21,900 --> 09:16:21,900
legislation, and I can't believe we're still talking about it after I know it's come up 2
Or 3 times before,

4382
09:16:28,100 --> 09:16:28,100
and I would just like to break this cycle. I mean,
It's like what we did with spring break.

4383
09:16:32,900 --> 09:16:35,580
we threw a circuit breaker. We shut it down for a couple of years. We completely changed the narrative because it wasn't working.

4384
09:16:38,580 --> 09:16:38,580
it wasn't the right thing for us. I don't think this is the right thing for us. I do,
You have to work on a language that you'll bring back to us.

4385
09:16:45,350 --> 09:16:45,350
is that what you said? If you want county elected officials to also be able to come,
If they're part of the program,

4386
09:16:50,550 --> 09:16:50,550
I can wordsmith that to happen. If that's if that's an amendment that you would want to
Make.

4387
09:16:55,990 --> 09:16:59,590
I don't know that it needs to come back. We can just work it into the resolution. If the body wishes to amend the resolution in that manner.

4388
09:17:03,990 --> 09:17:07,510
you could you could pass it as amended. Okay. Call for a vote. So I have a motion by commissioner bott,
Seconded by.

4389
09:17:13,990 --> 09:17:13,990
I'll second. So I heard commissioner dominguez,
And that's to include county and state.

4390
09:17:20,470 --> 09:17:23,030
any elected official that represents that populace. Okay. If your name is on the ballot, if your name was on the ballot,
Was if your name was on the right to vote.

4391
09:17:32,630 --> 09:17:32,630
so r seven as amended. Hold on, hold on. Let's we want to make sure we're clear.

4392
09:17:38,510 --> 09:17:38,510
an elected official. Let's just say for example,
A senator came a us federal senator came is going to be allowed to

4393
09:17:48,440 --> 09:17:48,440
come if he's part of the program, if he's been invited as part of the city program.

4394
09:17:53,680 --> 09:17:57,040
I think that's fine. I think I think we can figure this out. We'll be okay. So r7 l, as amended. All in favor,
Please say aye.

4395
09:18:01,160 --> 09:18:01,160
aye. Anyone opposed? Hearing none. R7 l is approved,
As amended seven zero.

4396
09:18:06,080 --> 09:18:08,280
ralph has asked me these boards that are unopposed. Can we just do that? Boards and committees. So not contested.

4397
09:18:12,080 --> 09:18:14,720
everyone has a list in front of them, but it's real quick. It's two direct appointments for members of the quality education committee who no longer
Have children in school.

4398
09:18:19,880 --> 09:18:19,880
so we need a waiver. That's lori kay davis and beverly heller,
And we have nominee david berger to the health facility authority board.

4399
09:18:27,360 --> 09:18:31,000
so moved by acclamation. All three? Yes. Yes. So done. Thank you everyone. Great meeting. Appreciate it.

4400
09:18:39,160 --> 09:18:39,160
no.