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>>chair: we will get our

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meeting of the infrastructure

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and technology committee.

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Today is the 15th and I will

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welcome all of you here today.

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Were going to start with a

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quick moment of silence, a

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moment of reflection followed

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by the pledge led by

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commissioner cohen higgins.

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>> I pledge allegiance to the

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flag of the united states of

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america and to the republic for

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which it stands, one nation

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under GOD indivisible with

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liberty and justice for all.

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>> thank you so much.

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Oday we

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have one of our young students

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who are part of the youth

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engagement program up here with

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us so we welcome allegra.

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With that, do we have any

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additions, any changes before

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we set the agenda.

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>> the agenda before you is the

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official agenda which includes

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the changes in the changes

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memo, also item 3d was added to

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the agenda.

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I'll read the title for the

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record.

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Resolution authorizing the

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county mayor or designee to

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execute supplemental agreement

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number one between bcc

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engineering llc and miami-dade

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for construction engineering

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and inspection services isd

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project number e 20 d pdf w cip

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207 20 cei bringing the total

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contract amount to $5,467,817

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to support the dade land south

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intermodal station project

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authorizing the county mayor or

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designee to execute the same

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exercise provisions contained

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therein authorizing the use of

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peoples transportation plan

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bond program funds for this

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project added to the five year

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implementation plan FEBRUARY

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2020 that is 3d.

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>>chair: we will going to

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reasonable opportunity to be

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heard, is there anyone from the

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public wishes to speak on any

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item?

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I do not have any cards but

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this is the opportunity, seeing

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none reasonable opportunity is

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now closed do I have a motion

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to set the agenda.

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Show that done by acclamation.

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And now, we have a few items on

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this agenda but before we get

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to the discussion

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presentations, does anybody

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have any questions, would like

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to bifurcate any items.

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Or ask any questions.

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No, yes please commissioner.

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>> the item just added to our

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agenda 3d I looking at it for

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the first time.

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O I have a

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few questions, it's asking for

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an increase in the professional

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services agreement.

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Y almost

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$2 million for a total contract

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aggregate of 5.4.

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Can you just what this contract

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is for?

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I know it's for engineering

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construction and inspection

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services.

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Is this particular professional

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service provider getting $5.4

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million for their professional

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services or 5.4 million

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inclusive of the actual

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construction costs of this

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project.

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>> deputy director dtp w. This

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says as you mentioned for

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construction agreement

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inspection services tied to

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dade land south intermodal.

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The actual design build

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received supplemental services

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earlier this year, this is to

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match that for additional scope

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added to this project

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consisting of charging

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infrastructure, modifications

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to the bart area and general

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modifications around the scope

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of the area.

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Specific to your question this

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is not tied to the

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construction, but specific to

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the inspection.

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This is basically our inspector

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in the area, the ones that we

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view, all the construction

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specs, make sure the

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constructors stays on budget

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and making sure they review all

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the paperwork that comes in.

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The allocation, this is for an

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additional allocation with a

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total allocation for this

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supplemental for this project,

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I'm sorry.

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It's $5.4 million in total for

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this vendor.

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>>chair: that's what I thought

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you were going to say.

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I know we do these psa's a lot.

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We have a lot of professional

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services agreement and without

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the conversation on this dais a

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number of times when we have

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former commissioner higgins who

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is professionally an engineer,

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she said we need to keep all

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these contracted outside expert

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engineers on these contracts to

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make sure these projects are

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built in compliance with our

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laws and under the highest

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level of safety but when I see

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a professional services

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agreement for one project

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nearing $6 million with an

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additional ask of $2 million,

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what is if they are doing?

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additional $2 million for the

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initial allocation and before

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you answer that as far as what

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it is they are doing, what is

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the term of this psa?

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Over what duration of time are

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they getting paid 5 and a half

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million dollars?

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>> over the duration of the

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contract, this was for a finite

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amount and because of

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additional scope added to the

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project there are 264 days

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added to the overall

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construction contract.

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construction contract because

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they are and inspection team so

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they review all the material

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testing, make sure the job is

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in accordance to the latest of

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safety.

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the paperwork.

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invoicing.

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Those types of management work

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that they do for us.

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in-house construction

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engineering for products of

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this magnitude as we typically

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contract out.

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>>chair: so the term of this

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contract with this psa is one,

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two years, you said 300

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something days there was an

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additional scope so roughly two

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years of work?

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>> total is close to two years

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of work.

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>>chair: this one service

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provider is getting paid 5 and

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a half million dollars by

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miami-dade county over a 2 year

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period under one contract, what

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does that work out two, 5 and a

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half million over 22 months,

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what is the math?

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>> 200,000 in change.

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>> we are paying one provider

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$200,000 a month on one

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project.

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What's the aggregate value of

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this one project.

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>> the difference establishes

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typically these services when

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they are tied to a particular

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construction project they fall

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within a range of present of

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the entire project cost.

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>>chair: that's what I thought

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you were going to say so that's

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kind of my point.

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It has been the practice of

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miami-dade county to accept

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these professional service

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agreements based on that

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general formula.

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If you have a $100 million

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project the percentage they

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will charge is once the

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standard present, once the

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average percent.

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project and magnitude of the

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project for smaller projects

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the present is typically

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higher, for larger projects is

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higher, in this case it's 5%

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but this is a time and

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materials contract under which

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is not a percent based.

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We've negotiated the time are

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going to spend and materials

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they are spending.

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Whatever was spent in terms of

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the hourly rates of staff

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participating and that's how

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the additional cost is

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developed.

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>>chair: so one is the

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aggregate cost of this self

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date intermodal project since

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it's not based on percentage

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what is the aggregate value

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from your capital improvement

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project for this one project.

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>> the design build project is

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$77 million.

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>> they're getting paid five

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and a half-million to oversee

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consult and make sure

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everything is in compliance

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that's not based on a

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percentage, that's based on

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something you negotiated

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independently.

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>> time and materials so based

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on the hours that are estimated

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by the vendor we negotiate

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those hours and what is said

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already precontract is the

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hourly rate so the negotiation

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between the county and the

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vendor is basically on the

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hours going to be spent in the

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management of the project.

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>> originally they said they

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would be paid three and a

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half-million and they're asking

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for now that's what this item

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is because they got three of

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the half-million, they're

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asking us to authorize $2

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million in time and materials

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which is an hourly calculation

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someone came up with that they

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said we need another $2 million

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to provide the consultation and

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services on this contract.

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What is the justification for

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the additional 1.9?

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>> it's an additional 264 days

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of work added to the

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construction project.

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Because of additional scope

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that has been added, that

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consists of several items

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related to electric charging of

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the buses, some work in the

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station itself and that gives

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them dry area, some work where

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the actual bus station itself

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so there was some additional

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scope added to the project.

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>>chair: who added to the

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scope.

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>> from amy's perspective so

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it's been added as we look at

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this from an operational

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perspective with the bart, for

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the audio issues.

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We've added an additional scope

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based on the design of the

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project and requests from

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operations and in addition we

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had coordination with the

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different permitting agencies

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and there's been new

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requirements added as well.

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>> the answer on who added to

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the scope I know it's the

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county but was it the board,

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did we authorize any additional

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scope or did the department

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internally authorized

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additional scope.

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> the board did authorize

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the scope on a supplemental

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approved on NOVEMBER 2, 2025,

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the additional design scope.

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>> but the cost of the

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engineering did not accompany

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that item, it was just an

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additional scope.

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>> the construction that

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accompanied that item, this is

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the supplemental at a company

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is whatever work was already

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approved for the contractor.

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This is our manager on our

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side.

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This is what accompanies that

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additional work approved in

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NOVEMBER.

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>>chair: I appreciate you

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answering my questions in the

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way you did and I'll get back

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to you, that's number one.

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I appreciate you knowing the

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answers to my questions.

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That is appreciated because we

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don't always get back so thank

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you for knowing the questions

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and being prepared on an item

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added the last minute on our

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agenda.

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The reason I'm asking is I know

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we've heard in presentations

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and we're going to get the

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budget in an hour and and a

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half. Regarding the financial

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situation of our transportation

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budget and how we have a

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situation on our hands we will

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have to deal with.

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When I see items like this

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asking for an additional $2

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million and I understand we

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needed these engineers but it's

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pursuant to an expansion and a

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scope of work we need to and

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I'm going to look forward to

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working with you and I know

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you're already doing this.

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When and why we are expanding

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the scope of these projects as

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we constantly get requests for

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what I like to call bentley

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style added extras.

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Whatever you want to call it,

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bentley style added additions

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to projects because this

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interest group or that interest

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group or this lobbyist.

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We can't continue expanding the

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scope of our projects in

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miami-dade county while the

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numbers continue to grow and we

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are looking at budget whatever

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you want to call it deficit,

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shortfalls, gaps.

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That we need to figure out a

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way to close.

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So if you represent to me that

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this is absolutely necessary in

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this professional services

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contracting company needs this

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additional $2 million I'm going

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to support it because I trust

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you and if you say you need if

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I'm going to support it but I

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will tell you that I plan to

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take a deep dive into our

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transportation budget which is

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at $2 billion.

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Look at these professional

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service agreements and whether

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or not the calculation we've

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always used I.E. A percentage

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of very large numbers or

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whether time and materials is

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the calculus that we need to

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present because we have to cut

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somewhere.

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Or maybe everywhere.

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Including affectional service

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agreements and including

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expanding the scope of projects

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because I'm just not sure we

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can continue to afford it

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anymore, thank you.

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>>chair: I appreciate you

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pulling this item because I was

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going to ask questions because

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of the late nature of the item

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and we didn't fully have a

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chance to debrief on it, yes

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commissioner lopez.

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>>.

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>>commissioner lopez: thank you

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for your line of questioning

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commissioner cohen higgins.

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How do we know when a project

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should look like from the

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get-go, this happens all the

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time here.

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You go out for a bid and say

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this is the project and all of

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a sudden the commission is

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asked to approve further scopes

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of services without money which

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I find even crazier.

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So back in NOVEMBER they did

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not, commission prior to my

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joining approved an additional

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scope of services without

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knowing what it would cost.

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I don't know anyone who would

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do that in their home.

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I certainly wouldn't increase

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the cost of a project and say I

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approve that without knowing

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what it was going to cost me

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and whether I could afford it

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or not and I keep seeing a

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pattern of this that I don't

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disagree with you commissioner

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that somehow we've just have to

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see how often we do this.

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What is the pattern that is

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seemingly we don't know what

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the project is because I will

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say this and of course you're

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going to hear me say this, in

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this state if you want to spend

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any more money you have to come

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before the commission and tell

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us not only why you didn't

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figure it out but tell us,

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because I don't think it's fair

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in the competitive bidding

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process either.

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Who wouldn't want to bid on a

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job that has one scope of

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services and once you get it

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you get to keep it despite the

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fact we made a mistake.

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I am I guess I'm still on my

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bandwagon from our first

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committee meeting where I

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continue to see money being

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spent without any kind of

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consideration for what would be

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what I consider a good practice

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business.

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No business would run their

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business like this, they would

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be out of business but

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apparently we have money to

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move around and make decisions

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I don't think are very

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thoughtful.

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So I am putting that on the

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record because as we move into

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the budget cycle here, I'm

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going to really start to look

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at these items.

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And say I am not ready to

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approve things we haven't

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thought through carefully from

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the very beginning because I

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don't think it's a fair

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process.

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i will bid all day long if I

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where a betting vendor and said

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I will bid on this and I'm sure

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the vendor knows they will need

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to expand this because they

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know more than we do.

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Because they have the

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experience.

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I wanted to put my comments on

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the record as we begin this

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budget process because this is

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another item that reflects we

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are not thoughtful about the

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fact we have one pot of money

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and we have to be careful how

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we spend that money.

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This was when I saw the item I

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thought here we go again.

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>chair: yes commissioner.

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>>commissioner gonzalez: I want

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to start on a positive note.

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As commissioner cohen higgins

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said, very impressed sir, thank

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you for being serious.

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Thank you for being prepared.

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It is probably the most

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prepared I've ever seen any

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director.

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And I very much appreciate how

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prepared you are.

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But now.

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>>chair: that was good.

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>>commissioner gonzalez: to

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echo some of the sentiments of

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my colleagues, I have to agree

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that for example the original

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bid or the scope of work that

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was originally approved, what

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was that original bid and I

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believe it was $3 million but

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what was the scope of that work

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in this new additional work,

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when did it come about that the

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bentley style was necessary?

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>> let me add a couple points

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of clarification which will

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help, dave qualification was

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done through a planning effort,

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there was a scoping completed

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and the actual vendor, I want

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to make a distinction between

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the two contracts, there is a

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design builder and this

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contract in front of you today.

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The design builder bid on a

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planning effort and put forward

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a cost.

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The design builder and has to

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design and based on that design

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there were certain changes that

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were proposed and accepted by

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the agency, by the county and 2

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as a result of permitting and

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new requirements from electric

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vehicle charging, additional

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scope items added for fire

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suppression, those types of

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items added from a permitting

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perspective from the permitting

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agencies we needed to grow the

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scope which was not

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contemplated in the planning

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done for this project several

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years ago.

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>>commissioner gonzalez: I

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don't want to put words in your

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mouth but this is where

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commissioner lopez is going

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because the permitting is put

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forward by the county.

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I know they are separate

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departments, I understand they

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are separate departments but it

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would only be logical if we are

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the ones giving the permitting,

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why didn't we factor this in to

584
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the original scope in the first

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place?

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We are the ones that are

587
00:20:11,128 --> 00:20:11,762
getting the permanent rehab so

588
00:20:11,762 --> 00:20:13,596
that leaves me to how did this

589
00:20:13,596 --> 00:20:14,698
old electric vehicle charging

590
00:20:14,698 --> 00:20:16,633
station come about.

591
00:20:16,633 --> 00:20:19,633
Why exactly didn't we consider

592
00:20:23,808 --> 00:20:25,943
that the first time.

593
00:20:25,943 --> 00:20:27,778
>> the national fire protection

594
00:20:27,778 --> 00:20:29,713
agency codes, we are in the

595
00:20:29,713 --> 00:20:31,249
process of being written at

596
00:20:31,249 --> 00:20:34,180
that point so the new standards

597
00:20:34,180 --> 00:20:35,953
when this project was bid out

598
00:20:35,953 --> 00:20:37,121
the new standards at the

599
00:20:37,121 --> 00:20:38,955
federal level had not been

600
00:20:38,955 --> 00:20:40,925
considered and we are seeing

601
00:20:40,925 --> 00:20:42,960
that through several projects,

602
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,929
not just this project read the

603
00:20:44,929 --> 00:20:46,130
new standards are a little more

604
00:20:46,130 --> 00:20:49,130
rigorous therefore we had to

605
00:20:49,168 --> 00:20:50,302
adjust in several projects in

606
00:20:50,302 --> 00:20:52,170
either electric vehicle

607
00:20:52,170 --> 00:20:54,172
charging is included and the

608
00:20:54,172 --> 00:20:55,840
actual fire suppression related

609
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:56,273
to the electric vehicle

610
00:20:56,273 --> 00:20:58,273
charging as well.

611
00:20:59,178 --> 00:21:01,179
>> those new federal standards

612
00:21:01,179 --> 00:21:04,179
are amounting to a $2 million

613
00:21:06,510 --> 00:21:08,190
increase.

614
00:21:08,190 --> 00:21:09,221
>> we have other items tied to

615
00:21:09,221 --> 00:21:10,990
the design build accepted by

616
00:21:10,990 --> 00:21:12,570
the agency, we did

617
00:21:12,570 --> 00:21:14,260
modifications from the

618
00:21:14,260 --> 00:21:17,260
standpoint of how we were

619
00:21:26,672 --> 00:21:28,573
aligning the buses or pickup.

620
00:21:28,573 --> 00:21:29,775
Initially there was supposed to

621
00:21:29,775 --> 00:21:31,811
be parallel, we changed to a

622
00:21:31,811 --> 00:21:33,646
seesaw infrastructure there to

623
00:21:33,646 --> 00:21:35,514
a seesaw design, made changes

624
00:21:35,514 --> 00:21:36,615
in terms of the escalator and

625
00:21:36,615 --> 00:21:38,550
elevator, added some

626
00:21:38,550 --> 00:21:40,519
infrastructure as well as a

627
00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:41,754
requirement for purposes of

628
00:21:41,754 --> 00:21:43,523
evacuation so we had to modify

629
00:21:43,523 --> 00:21:44,624
the design accordingly.

630
00:21:44,624 --> 00:21:46,526
>> and why work those

631
00:21:46,526 --> 00:21:47,693
requirements taken into

632
00:21:47,693 --> 00:21:48,527
consideration in the first

633
00:21:48,527 --> 00:21:50,527
place.

634
00:21:50,530 --> 00:21:51,798
>> the initial planning report

635
00:21:51,798 --> 00:21:54,501
done have been reviewed under

636
00:21:54,501 --> 00:21:55,535
the comic that was several

637
00:21:55,535 --> 00:21:56,703
years old and have been

638
00:21:56,703 --> 00:21:58,538
reviewed under the standards

639
00:21:58,538 --> 00:21:58,738
that were available at the

640
00:21:58,738 --> 00:22:00,540
time.

641
00:22:00,540 --> 00:22:01,708
And had been vetted at that

642
00:22:01,708 --> 00:22:03,710
point when this one actually

643
00:22:03,710 --> 00:22:05,545
when forbidding those standards

644
00:22:05,545 --> 00:22:08,545
have been modified and we

645
00:22:15,555 --> 00:22:17,457
needed to add some scope.

646
00:22:17,457 --> 00:22:18,592
>>chair: we appreciate the

647
00:22:18,592 --> 00:22:19,860
information thank you for

648
00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:21,629
calling the item again.

649
00:22:21,629 --> 00:22:23,464
I will say generally speaking

650
00:22:23,464 --> 00:22:25,466
is not just for your

651
00:22:25,466 --> 00:22:26,734
department, generally speaking

652
00:22:26,734 --> 00:22:28,635
when we look at scope having to

653
00:22:28,635 --> 00:22:30,538
do change orders and things of

654
00:22:30,538 --> 00:22:32,473
that nature especially the

655
00:22:32,473 --> 00:22:33,707
scope that's changed by us, you

656
00:22:33,707 --> 00:22:35,509
kind of have to take a final

657
00:22:35,509 --> 00:22:36,644
look but we appreciate the

658
00:22:36,644 --> 00:22:38,645
information you provided so

659
00:22:38,645 --> 00:22:39,647
with that, do we have any other

660
00:22:39,647 --> 00:22:41,647
items, thank you.

661
00:22:42,483 --> 00:22:43,484
I don't think we have anymore,

662
00:22:43,484 --> 00:22:45,484
commissioner.

663
00:22:45,486 --> 00:22:46,554
>>commissioner cohen higgins: I

664
00:22:46,554 --> 00:22:47,721
have questions on 3c.

665
00:22:47,721 --> 00:22:50,459
It has a similar tone.

666
00:22:50,459 --> 00:22:51,493
It's a request for additional

667
00:22:51,493 --> 00:22:52,727
allocated funds.

668
00:22:52,727 --> 00:22:55,296
>>chair: anybody here to speak

669
00:22:55,296 --> 00:22:57,296
on 3c?

670
00:22:57,298 --> 00:23:00,298
For the garbage collection and

671
00:23:01,636 --> 00:23:03,471
disposal services.

672
00:23:03,471 --> 00:23:05,471
Commissioner, your recognized

673
00:23:07,308 --> 00:23:09,308
for a conversation.

674
00:23:21,790 --> 00:23:23,592
>> is the requested allocation

675
00:23:23,592 --> 00:23:25,594
above and beyond what we

676
00:23:25,594 --> 00:23:27,594
previously authorized simply

677
00:23:27,596 --> 00:23:28,597
due to the extension of the

678
00:23:28,597 --> 00:23:29,798
term of this pool?

679
00:23:29,798 --> 00:23:31,234
Is that the root of the request

680
00:23:31,234 --> 00:23:33,350
for the extension?

681
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:34,937
>> yes commissioner, we are

682
00:23:34,937 --> 00:23:36,138
extending the time for the

683
00:23:36,138 --> 00:23:38,730
contract to allow solid waste

684
00:23:38,730 --> 00:23:40,730
for transitional services

685
00:23:40,109 --> 00:23:42,110
in-house so for that additional

686
00:23:42,110 --> 00:23:43,913
time, the vendors have agree

687
00:23:43,913 --> 00:23:44,947
the same rates that we pay

688
00:23:44,947 --> 00:23:46,947
today to extend.

689
00:23:47,583 --> 00:23:48,784
>> that's what I gathered.

690
00:23:48,784 --> 00:23:50,820
And I understand both of the

691
00:23:50,820 --> 00:23:53,820
vendors are waste management or

692
00:24:00,163 --> 00:24:01,364
waste connections and waste

693
00:24:01,364 --> 00:24:04,200
management does the bulk if not

694
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,202
the entire relief of our waste

695
00:24:06,202 --> 00:24:07,303
management in miami-dade county

696
00:24:07,303 --> 00:24:09,272
but are there no other

697
00:24:09,272 --> 00:24:11,542
companies that can offer these

698
00:24:11,542 --> 00:24:12,376
services to us and I understand

699
00:24:12,376 --> 00:24:14,311
you're making this decision to

700
00:24:14,311 --> 00:24:16,179
extend existing contract rates,

701
00:24:16,179 --> 00:24:17,414
in order to presumably provide

702
00:24:17,414 --> 00:24:19,283
some savings but are there no

703
00:24:19,283 --> 00:24:21,185
other companies that can offer

704
00:24:21,185 --> 00:24:23,187
these services to us?

705
00:24:23,187 --> 00:24:24,354
>> these two are the largest

706
00:24:24,354 --> 00:24:26,290
providers but for anyone to

707
00:24:26,290 --> 00:24:28,191
come in to provide service they

708
00:24:28,191 --> 00:24:31,128
would have to invest a lot of

709
00:24:31,128 --> 00:24:33,130
money upfront in the trucks and

710
00:24:33,130 --> 00:24:35,990
if you do a short-term contract

711
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:36,967
people generally don't like to

712
00:24:36,967 --> 00:24:39,967
invest in the loaders and

713
00:24:46,210 --> 00:24:48,312
trucks and whatever they need.

714
00:24:48,312 --> 00:24:50,248
>> understand about servicing a

715
00:24:50,248 --> 00:24:52,317
county this size would require

716
00:24:52,317 --> 00:24:54,252
a county that is of substantial

717
00:24:54,252 --> 00:24:56,120
size but the question was are

718
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:57,321
there no other competitors

719
00:24:57,321 --> 00:24:59,191
other than waste connections.

720
00:24:59,191 --> 00:25:01,226
>> if there are they are

721
00:25:01,226 --> 00:25:02,126
smaller companies out there.

722
00:25:02,126 --> 00:25:03,428
Very small.

723
00:25:03,428 --> 00:25:06,130
>>chair: one was the last time

724
00:25:06,130 --> 00:25:08,132
we done any competitive

725
00:25:08,132 --> 00:25:10,532
procurement in this space?

726
00:25:13,705 --> 00:25:14,973
>> we just did another one a

727
00:25:14,973 --> 00:25:16,841
couple of years that these two

728
00:25:16,841 --> 00:25:17,676
are the largest ones that got

729
00:25:17,676 --> 00:25:18,877
awarded.

730
00:25:18,877 --> 00:25:20,779
I think three or four years

731
00:25:20,779 --> 00:25:22,681
back, I don't member the exact

732
00:25:22,681 --> 00:25:25,681
number we did that another

733
00:25:38,897 --> 00:25:40,733
procurement for services.

734
00:25:40,733 --> 00:25:42,100
>> I'm going to look more

735
00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:43,869
closely at this item because it

736
00:25:43,869 --> 00:25:45,705
has a large dollar amount

737
00:25:45,705 --> 00:25:46,380
associated with it, 62 million

738
00:25:46,380 --> 00:25:47,940
through 2028.

739
00:25:47,940 --> 00:25:49,709
We are currently in 2026, this

740
00:25:49,709 --> 00:25:50,420
item is asking to extend

741
00:25:50,420 --> 00:25:51,911
through 2031.

742
00:25:51,911 --> 00:25:53,846
I guess like I said previously

743
00:25:53,846 --> 00:25:55,715
to maintain existing rates,

744
00:25:55,715 --> 00:25:56,150
what are the rates we are

745
00:25:56,150 --> 00:25:57,883
maintaining?

746
00:25:57,883 --> 00:25:59,720
>> the rates vary by facility

747
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:00,887
and I have that for example if

748
00:26:00,887 --> 00:26:02,889
and the size of the container

749
00:26:02,889 --> 00:26:05,825
so 30 yd.B3 capacity container

750
00:26:05,825 --> 00:26:06,759
for pickup let's say one day

751
00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:07,827
per week.

752
00:26:07,827 --> 00:26:09,827
The prices are $2366.

753
00:26:10,530 --> 00:26:12,930
So every facility, every

754
00:26:21,808 --> 00:26:23,760
department had stipulated the

755
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:24,978
locations and a container size

756
00:26:24,978 --> 00:26:25,912
and the frequency so the rate

757
00:26:25,912 --> 00:26:27,814
varies for that.

758
00:26:27,814 --> 00:26:29,817
I have 50, 60 different rates

759
00:26:29,817 --> 00:26:31,819
for facility as well as the

760
00:26:31,819 --> 00:26:33,530
container size and location.

761
00:26:33,530 --> 00:26:34,988
>>chair: where in the item does

762
00:26:34,988 --> 00:26:38,292
it state the current rates are

763
00:26:38,292 --> 00:26:38,492
going to be honored through

764
00:26:38,492 --> 00:26:40,295
2031?

765
00:26:40,295 --> 00:26:41,562
>> I thought we said it

766
00:26:41,562 --> 00:26:44,562
somewhere in the existing terms

767
00:26:54,808 --> 00:26:56,110
and conditions.

768
00:26:56,110 --> 00:26:58,813
>> to clarify if I MAY keeping

769
00:26:58,813 --> 00:27:00,150
it at the same can terms and

770
00:27:00,150 --> 00:27:02,384
conditions versus keeping it

771
00:27:02,384 --> 00:27:03,818
flat do they have an increase

772
00:27:03,818 --> 00:27:04,819
built in the year after year

773
00:27:04,819 --> 00:27:06,860
versus a flat rate?

774
00:27:06,860 --> 00:27:07,955
>> there is a cpi built into

775
00:27:07,955 --> 00:27:09,825
the contract but that would be

776
00:27:09,825 --> 00:27:11,793
based on the rates we have.

777
00:27:11,793 --> 00:27:12,994
Nobody's going to agree to a

778
00:27:12,994 --> 00:27:14,796
five-year contract in today's

779
00:27:14,796 --> 00:27:15,797
market without a cpi.

780
00:27:15,797 --> 00:27:17,797
>>.

781
00:27:33,382 --> 00:27:35,350
>>chair: I appreciate that but

782
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:36,451
I also think the contract of

783
00:27:36,451 --> 00:27:38,320
this size currently at 62

784
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,488
million and you're asking for

785
00:27:39,488 --> 00:27:41,488
another 20 million, you're

786
00:27:41,524 --> 00:27:43,325
talking about $80 million to

787
00:27:43,325 --> 00:27:45,327
the same exact people without a

788
00:27:45,327 --> 00:27:47,327
competitive procurement process

789
00:27:47,596 --> 00:27:48,597
with a representation on the

790
00:27:48,597 --> 00:27:50,400
microphone that the rates will

791
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,534
be the same but it's not

792
00:27:51,534 --> 00:27:53,336
articulated in the item at

793
00:27:53,336 --> 00:27:53,438
least not that I can see.

794
00:27:53,438 --> 00:27:55,338
'm

795
00:27:55,338 --> 00:27:56,539
wondering why we are not giving

796
00:27:56,539 --> 00:27:57,573
this opportunity to other nies,

797
00:27:57,573 --> 00:27:59,509
that's the question.

798
00:27:59,509 --> 00:28:01,578
i've said before many times on

799
00:28:01,578 --> 00:28:03,546
this microphone regarding our

800
00:28:03,546 --> 00:28:05,348
waste management albums in

801
00:28:05,348 --> 00:28:07,316
miami-dade county and my

802
00:28:07,316 --> 00:28:09,353
extreme concern regarding what

803
00:28:09,353 --> 00:28:10,554
amounts to a monopoly by one

804
00:28:10,554 --> 00:28:12,322
company for the hauling of

805
00:28:12,322 --> 00:28:13,489
waste in miami-dade county

806
00:28:13,489 --> 00:28:15,392
which are these two companies.

807
00:28:15,392 --> 00:28:18,392
It concerns me greatly and

808
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:42,186
that's just, this is just

809
00:28:42,186 --> 00:28:44,321
departmental work, not the

810
00:28:44,321 --> 00:28:46,560
massive amount of trash they

811
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:47,290
haul out of this county as a

812
00:28:47,290 --> 00:28:48,258
result of us no longer having

813
00:28:48,258 --> 00:28:50,228
our incinerator.

814
00:28:50,228 --> 00:28:52,630
So my question is why aren't we

815
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:53,231
trying to I diverse about who

816
00:28:53,231 --> 00:28:55,660
we are using for essential

817
00:28:55,660 --> 00:28:56,200
services even if it's an

818
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,680
amalgamation of smaller

819
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,710
companies that MAY offer us

820
00:29:00,710 --> 00:29:01,305
better prices because currently

821
00:29:01,305 --> 00:29:03,207
we are completely at the mercy

822
00:29:03,207 --> 00:29:05,420
of these two companies for all

823
00:29:05,420 --> 00:29:07,440
our waste management services

824
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,246
in miami dade county and that

825
00:29:08,246 --> 00:29:10,646
gives me great discomfort.

826
00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:13,500
Is there any discussion

827
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:14,285
happening within the department

828
00:29:14,285 --> 00:29:15,686
about potentially putting this

829
00:29:15,686 --> 00:29:17,550
out to bid?

830
00:29:17,550 --> 00:29:19,560
>> the plan is for solid waste

831
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,225
to bring the services in-house

832
00:29:20,225 --> 00:29:22,160
so they are working on a plan

833
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,620
and equipment testing phase.

834
00:29:24,620 --> 00:29:26,310
>>chair: you are recognized.

835
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:26,231
>> through the chair I can

836
00:29:26,231 --> 00:29:27,499
that.

837
00:29:27,499 --> 00:29:29,235
The department purchased front

838
00:29:29,235 --> 00:29:31,700
end loaders, loaders allow us

839
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:32,271
to provide a different service

840
00:29:32,271 --> 00:29:34,239
so we've been doing a pilot for

841
00:29:34,239 --> 00:29:36,508
the last six months account by

842
00:29:36,508 --> 00:29:36,808
account so we can do a full

843
00:29:36,808 --> 00:29:38,310
assessment.

844
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:40,146
To what namita mentions, the

845
00:29:40,146 --> 00:29:41,213
title container, the type of

846
00:29:41,213 --> 00:29:43,182
service required by each

847
00:29:43,182 --> 00:29:44,283
account varies so we have to do

848
00:29:44,283 --> 00:29:46,118
a full assessment.

849
00:29:46,118 --> 00:29:47,252
When I first got here we had

850
00:29:47,252 --> 00:29:49,455
received those front end

851
00:29:49,455 --> 00:29:51,900
loaders and in the industry it

852
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:52,325
takes about a year to you and

853
00:29:52,325 --> 00:29:54,600
your and and a half to get

854
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:55,293
those type of equipment so we

855
00:29:55,293 --> 00:29:57,196
had just received the equipment

856
00:29:57,196 --> 00:29:59,199
and it was sitting so I put the

857
00:29:59,199 --> 00:30:01,670
equipment to use throw a pilot,

858
00:30:01,670 --> 00:30:02,802
we have data so I can evaluate

859
00:30:02,802 --> 00:30:04,700
the productivity of the data,

860
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:05,238
look at cost of pickup to

861
00:30:05,238 --> 00:30:07,139
determine how we can bring

862
00:30:07,139 --> 00:30:08,373
those services in-house but

863
00:30:08,373 --> 00:30:11,770
it's going to take time because

864
00:30:11,770 --> 00:30:13,790
I have to purchase additional

865
00:30:13,790 --> 00:30:15,810
containers and equipment but I

866
00:30:15,810 --> 00:30:17,490
need to do it by retiring some

867
00:30:17,490 --> 00:30:19,850
equipment and purchasing this

868
00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:21,850
equipment, not purchasing

869
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,880
additional equipment but

870
00:30:26,626 --> 00:30:27,627
retiring one and purchasing

871
00:30:27,627 --> 00:30:29,627
another.

872
00:30:29,630 --> 00:30:31,632
>>commissioner cohen higgins: I

873
00:30:31,632 --> 00:30:32,799
appreciate the question but my

874
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,835
concerns remain on the item,

875
00:30:34,835 --> 00:30:36,636
when I see pools that are

876
00:30:36,636 --> 00:30:38,638
asking to be extended years

877
00:30:38,638 --> 00:30:40,741
before they expire without a

878
00:30:40,741 --> 00:30:41,842
competitive procurement process

879
00:30:41,842 --> 00:30:43,744
with dollar amounts as high as

880
00:30:43,744 --> 00:30:45,646
this it gives me great pause.

881
00:30:45,646 --> 00:30:46,847
Under this item we are

882
00:30:46,847 --> 00:30:48,615
extending was originally

883
00:30:48,615 --> 00:30:49,817
procured in SEPTEMBER 2013.

884
00:30:49,817 --> 00:30:51,719
That's what the item says.

885
00:30:51,719 --> 00:30:53,754
This contract holder has had

886
00:30:53,754 --> 00:30:56,154
the same contract since 2013.

887
00:31:05,166 --> 00:31:07,340
I mean, we have not, I don't

888
00:31:07,340 --> 00:31:08,936
want to advance this item.

889
00:31:08,936 --> 00:31:10,939
I don't want to advance it.

890
00:31:10,939 --> 00:31:12,107
Your two years before the x

891
00:31:12,107 --> 00:31:13,942
expiration of your contract,

892
00:31:13,942 --> 00:31:15,143
the dollar amount is

893
00:31:15,143 --> 00:31:17,111
astronomical, it's an 11 page

894
00:31:17,111 --> 00:31:19,511
item asking for $20 million,

895
00:31:19,948 --> 00:31:21,116
one department is asking for an

896
00:31:21,116 --> 00:31:22,951
allocation of 8 million,

897
00:31:22,951 --> 00:31:24,953
another hcd is asking for

898
00:31:24,953 --> 00:31:25,186
additional allocation of 6

899
00:31:25,186 --> 00:31:26,988
million.

900
00:31:26,988 --> 00:31:28,923
I don't know why we need to do

901
00:31:28,923 --> 00:31:30,926
this right now and I'm not sure

902
00:31:30,926 --> 00:31:32,928
that it's the most financially

903
00:31:32,928 --> 00:31:34,290
responsible thing to do to not

904
00:31:34,290 --> 00:31:35,997
potentially look at other

905
00:31:35,997 --> 00:31:37,932
service providers in this ea.

906
00:31:37,932 --> 00:31:39,935
If you look and find there is

907
00:31:39,935 --> 00:31:41,237
nobody else out there that can

908
00:31:41,237 --> 00:31:43,380
provide this service and give

909
00:31:43,380 --> 00:31:44,940
us alternate pricing I will

910
00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:46,942
accept that but the fact we

911
00:31:46,942 --> 00:31:49,942
haven't looked since 2013 is, I

912
00:31:57,860 --> 00:31:59,860
don't understand.

913
00:31:59,870 --> 00:32:00,856
>> we did that three years ago,

914
00:32:00,856 --> 00:32:02,910
we did do the analysis of

915
00:32:02,910 --> 00:32:03,892
anybody coming in and switching

916
00:32:03,892 --> 00:32:04,961
to the new providers.

917
00:32:04,961 --> 00:32:06,620
If we wanted to do that

918
00:32:06,620 --> 00:32:07,930
analysis again we would be

919
00:32:07,930 --> 00:32:09,866
happy to do it in between now

920
00:32:09,866 --> 00:32:11,670
and if you advance the item in

921
00:32:11,670 --> 00:32:12,935
septembers board we would be

922
00:32:12,935 --> 00:32:14,300
happy to bring that or we can

923
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:16,720
bring back the item.

924
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,400
>>chair: what's the emergency?

925
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,910
The contract doesn't expire

926
00:32:19,910 --> 00:32:20,210
until 2028, it is 2026, what is

927
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:21,978
the urgency?

928
00:32:21,978 --> 00:32:22,913
>> we were trying to be

929
00:32:22,913 --> 00:32:24,913
proactive.

930
00:32:24,914 --> 00:32:27,914
>>chair: I appreciate that, I

931
00:32:28,251 --> 00:32:30,187
always want the proactive step

932
00:32:30,187 --> 00:32:32,890
to be taken but I'm not sure if

933
00:32:32,890 --> 00:32:33,223
that's the proposition that

934
00:32:33,223 --> 00:32:33,990
supports this item at this

935
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:35,191
time.

936
00:32:35,191 --> 00:32:37,194
I would like to defer it, I

937
00:32:37,194 --> 00:32:38,610
want to know why each

938
00:32:38,610 --> 00:32:38,995
department needs the

939
00:32:38,995 --> 00:32:40,164
allocation.

940
00:32:40,164 --> 00:32:41,999
You're representing the rates

941
00:32:41,999 --> 00:32:45,599
are going to be the same,

942
00:32:50,641 --> 00:32:50,841
that's not articulated in the

943
00:32:50,841 --> 00:32:52,841
item.

944
00:32:52,910 --> 00:32:53,144
I think this needs a lot of

945
00:32:53,144 --> 00:32:54,745
review.

946
00:32:54,745 --> 00:32:56,747
If it where a much smaller

947
00:32:56,747 --> 00:32:58,649
dollar amount I would feel more

948
00:32:58,649 --> 00:32:59,751
comfortable but this is a lot

949
00:32:59,751 --> 00:33:01,619
of money going to a company

950
00:33:01,619 --> 00:33:02,853
that has a monopoly over

951
00:33:02,853 --> 00:33:04,855
miami-dade county and I'd like

952
00:33:04,855 --> 00:33:06,824
us to consider alternatives.

953
00:33:06,824 --> 00:33:08,792
If you said it's an emergency,

954
00:33:08,792 --> 00:33:10,695
my departments will suffer I

955
00:33:10,695 --> 00:33:12,130
would advance it but if it

956
00:33:12,130 --> 00:33:13,731
doesn't make a difference to

957
00:33:13,731 --> 00:33:16,300
you I would defer the item.

958
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:17,101
>> when we came for extension a

959
00:33:17,101 --> 00:33:18,735
few years back you said we

960
00:33:18,735 --> 00:33:20,738
didn't give you enough time.

961
00:33:20,738 --> 00:33:22,607
We are giving you enough time.

962
00:33:22,607 --> 00:33:26,807
If you don't want to advance it

963
00:33:29,214 --> 00:33:31,830
it's fine.

964
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:32,384
>>chair: just to get these

965
00:33:32,384 --> 00:33:34,218
additional facts and details to

966
00:33:34,218 --> 00:33:36,187
give me greater comfort bus for

967
00:33:36,187 --> 00:33:38,890
spending this money so I moved

968
00:33:38,890 --> 00:33:39,900
to defer this item, thank you

969
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:41,900
MADAM Chair.

970
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:42,127
>>chair: yes commissioner

971
00:33:42,127 --> 00:33:43,295
gonzalez.

972
00:33:43,295 --> 00:33:45,230
>>commissioner gonzalez: I

973
00:33:45,230 --> 00:33:47,980
agree with the deferral and if

974
00:33:47,980 --> 00:33:47,432
I could get the director to

975
00:33:47,432 --> 00:33:49,100
come back up.

976
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:51,100
>> yes, sir.

977
00:33:51,103 --> 00:33:51,336
>>commissioner gonzalez: both

978
00:33:51,336 --> 00:33:53,336
please.

979
00:34:01,414 --> 00:34:03,316
>>chair: you are recognizedr:

980
00:34:03,316 --> 00:34:04,783
you are recognized.

981
00:34:04,783 --> 00:34:06,452
>>commissioner gonzalez: first

982
00:34:06,452 --> 00:34:08,454
of all, namita thank you for

983
00:34:08,454 --> 00:34:09,823
bringing this over because I do

984
00:34:09,823 --> 00:34:11,457
appreciate the fact that now

985
00:34:11,457 --> 00:34:13,326
this has been positive because

986
00:34:13,326 --> 00:34:14,427
we are able to see that two

987
00:34:14,427 --> 00:34:15,694
years from now this could

988
00:34:15,694 --> 00:34:17,694
possibly be necessary.

989
00:34:19,366 --> 00:34:19,633
But the this could possibly be

990
00:34:19,633 --> 00:34:21,501
necessary.

991
00:34:21,501 --> 00:34:23,470
But the director of solid waste

992
00:34:23,470 --> 00:34:25,472
did bring up that you folks are

993
00:34:25,472 --> 00:34:27,473
trying to bring this in-house.

994
00:34:27,473 --> 00:34:30,310
So I understand what you're

995
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:32,710
saying regarding that although

996
00:34:37,383 --> 00:34:39,219
this expires in 2028 it's

997
00:34:39,219 --> 00:34:40,321
possible we MAY only need 2

998
00:34:40,321 --> 00:34:40,587
more years to bring this

999
00:34:40,587 --> 00:34:42,587
in-house.

1000
00:34:42,589 --> 00:34:44,358
But that's also an assumption

1001
00:34:44,358 --> 00:34:47,958
because a lot of things can

1002
00:34:48,610 --> 00:34:51,661
happen from now till then that

1003
00:34:51,832 --> 00:34:55,432
could stop you from being able

1004
00:34:59,940 --> 00:35:01,108
to purchase that eing able to

1005
00:35:01,108 --> 00:35:03,440
purchase that equipment.

1006
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,145
Maybe the program doesn't go

1007
00:35:04,145 --> 00:35:06,130
the way we want it to go so

1008
00:35:06,130 --> 00:35:09,613
there's a lot of factors for

1009
00:35:11,686 --> 00:35:13,686
that to happen.

1010
00:35:13,721 --> 00:35:17,921
Right now we are looking at a

1011
00:35:19,661 --> 00:35:21,662
three year from the two year

1012
00:35:21,662 --> 00:35:21,996
because we're looking 2028

1013
00:35:21,996 --> 00:35:23,798
through 2021.

1014
00:35:23,798 --> 00:35:27,398
It's very possible, and I know

1015
00:35:28,736 --> 00:35:29,972
you said you didn't, you did an

1016
00:35:29,972 --> 00:35:31,873
analysis three years ago but

1017
00:35:31,873 --> 00:35:34,873
it's possible if we procure

1018
00:35:38,112 --> 00:35:39,981
this this year, perhaps, maybe

1019
00:35:39,981 --> 00:35:41,917
we can find some cost savings

1020
00:35:41,917 --> 00:35:43,852
and maybe even buy more time to

1021
00:35:43,852 --> 00:35:44,119
roll out that pilot program

1022
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:46,200
properly.

1023
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,620
I do agree with the deferral

1024
00:35:49,792 --> 00:35:51,693
but I don't want you to think

1025
00:35:51,693 --> 00:35:52,761
you're doing anything that

1026
00:35:52,761 --> 00:35:54,696
wasn't asked of you.

1027
00:35:54,696 --> 00:35:56,640
I appreciate the fact you

1028
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:57,933
brought this forward and I

1029
00:35:57,933 --> 00:35:59,769
think that's why commissioner

1030
00:35:59,769 --> 00:36:00,970
cohen higgins said let's get

1031
00:36:00,970 --> 00:36:02,705
these things upfront because

1032
00:36:02,705 --> 00:36:04,573
now we can properly digest, we

1033
00:36:04,573 --> 00:36:08,173
have time to go through the

1034
00:36:08,177 --> 00:36:10,790
procurement process and see if

1035
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:13,679
this is the best course rather

1036
00:36:14,217 --> 00:36:16,185
than guess.

1037
00:36:16,185 --> 00:36:20,985
But I want to thank both of you

1038
00:36:21,257 --> 00:36:22,492
for being prepared.

1039
00:36:22,492 --> 00:36:25,861
>>chair: I assume we will defer

1040
00:36:25,861 --> 00:36:27,290
this until SEPTEMBER committee

1041
00:36:27,290 --> 00:36:28,897
and will that give you enough

1042
00:36:28,897 --> 00:36:30,834
time to run the analysis and

1043
00:36:30,834 --> 00:36:32,402
make sure it's back here with

1044
00:36:32,402 --> 00:36:32,969
enough time so we can find a

1045
00:36:32,969 --> 00:36:34,904
path forward.

1046
00:36:34,904 --> 00:36:36,806
>> we can reach out to the

1047
00:36:36,806 --> 00:36:39,141
companies we know and

1048
00:36:39,141 --> 00:36:40,343
additionally any small

1049
00:36:40,343 --> 00:36:43,246
providers and what ask what it

1050
00:36:43,246 --> 00:36:44,414
will take to provide service to

1051
00:36:44,414 --> 00:36:48,140
the county, same scope of work

1052
00:36:48,451 --> 00:36:48,652
and have the price comparison

1053
00:36:48,652 --> 00:36:50,521
ready.

1054
00:36:50,521 --> 00:36:54,121
>>chair: if you could give us

1055
00:36:55,425 --> 00:36:56,727
the analysis in-house and what

1056
00:36:56,727 --> 00:36:58,428
that looks like and what a

1057
00:36:58,428 --> 00:36:59,730
realistic timeline could look

1058
00:36:59,730 --> 00:37:01,399
like because if we have to

1059
00:37:01,399 --> 00:37:04,399
extend the current contract if

1060
00:37:05,236 --> 00:37:08,236
that's what the best path

1061
00:37:09,607 --> 00:37:10,808
forward looks like at that

1062
00:37:10,808 --> 00:37:12,677
point then we also understand

1063
00:37:12,677 --> 00:37:14,612
the trajectory of what the

1064
00:37:14,612 --> 00:37:15,847
department is looking to do.

1065
00:37:15,847 --> 00:37:16,460
>> want to add one more to your

1066
00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:18,460
point.

1067
00:37:18,315 --> 00:37:20,315
He contracts have

1068
00:37:22,487 --> 00:37:24,455
termination provisions.

1069
00:37:24,455 --> 00:37:26,691
So let's say solid waste is

1070
00:37:26,691 --> 00:37:28,726
able to do it in six months we

1071
00:37:28,726 --> 00:37:30,429
could give them termination

1072
00:37:30,429 --> 00:37:32,364
notice and bring it in house.

1073
00:37:32,364 --> 00:37:32,564
>>chair: termination without

1074
00:37:32,564 --> 00:37:34,564
cost.

1075
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:36,700
>> yes.

1076
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:39,100
>>commissioner lopez: I have

1077
00:37:39,471 --> 00:37:41,640
two questions, thank you MADAM

1078
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,575
Chair. Director, bringing in

1079
00:37:43,575 --> 00:37:46,544
in-house would you be able to

1080
00:37:46,544 --> 00:37:48,544
identify the savings?

1081
00:37:48,746 --> 00:37:50,516
In other words we now currently

1082
00:37:50,516 --> 00:37:50,683
have an external vendor doing

1083
00:37:50,683 --> 00:37:52,683
it.

1084
00:37:55,487 --> 00:37:57,422
Because I'm always looking to

1085
00:37:57,422 --> 00:37:59,292
see whether we can achieve

1086
00:37:59,292 --> 00:38:02,292
savings and sometimes it's the

1087
00:38:05,764 --> 00:38:06,899
exact opposite, we privatized

1088
00:38:06,899 --> 00:38:07,990
because we can get better

1089
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:08,900
costs.

1090
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:10,903
But if you feel like it's in

1091
00:38:10,903 --> 00:38:12,838
the best interest of the county

1092
00:38:12,838 --> 00:38:16,438
to move it internally could you

1093
00:38:41,568 --> 00:38:43,568
identify savings.

1094
00:38:43,637 --> 00:38:46,720
>> I don't have the answers but

1095
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:46,272
that's why I was doing the

1096
00:38:46,272 --> 00:38:47,440
pilot.

1097
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,641
Staff have been evaluating

1098
00:38:48,641 --> 00:38:50,511
numbers and had data but I

1099
00:38:50,511 --> 00:38:52,446
wanted real data so that's why

1100
00:38:52,446 --> 00:38:52,646
I told them to put a pilot in

1101
00:38:52,646 --> 00:38:54,547
place.

1102
00:38:54,547 --> 00:38:56,490
It's been six months so we have

1103
00:38:56,490 --> 00:38:57,517
at least six months of data

1104
00:38:57,517 --> 00:38:58,518
with 75 accounts so they can

1105
00:38:58,518 --> 00:38:59,453
take a look at the

1106
00:38:59,453 --> 00:39:01,550
productivity.

1107
00:39:01,550 --> 00:39:02,590
The rear loader which we run

1108
00:39:02,590 --> 00:39:04,591
takes three people and with a

1109
00:39:04,591 --> 00:39:06,426
front end loader is one person

1110
00:39:06,426 --> 00:39:07,661
so right there there's

1111
00:39:07,661 --> 00:39:07,894
efficiencies I can say we can

1112
00:39:07,894 --> 00:39:09,764
provide.

1113
00:39:09,764 --> 00:39:11,599
>>commissioner lopez: that will

1114
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,434
be helpful when we bring it

1115
00:39:13,434 --> 00:39:14,635
back and I made an investment

1116
00:39:14,635 --> 00:39:16,537
in equipment factored in.

1117
00:39:16,537 --> 00:39:17,771
We purchased equipment to do

1118
00:39:17,771 --> 00:39:19,574
the services in-house so that

1119
00:39:19,574 --> 00:39:21,442
75 accounts you been running

1120
00:39:21,442 --> 00:39:22,710
your pilot on should give us

1121
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:24,545
what were those 75 accounts

1122
00:39:24,545 --> 00:39:26,447
costing us with the vendor king

1123
00:39:26,447 --> 00:39:27,515
of the garbage and what you're

1124
00:39:27,515 --> 00:39:29,515
proposing, that's one.

1125
00:39:29,551 --> 00:39:31,619
>> 75 accounts on running that

1126
00:39:31,619 --> 00:39:33,521
we were picking up ourselves.

1127
00:39:33,521 --> 00:39:34,889
I'm not picking up any of the

1128
00:39:34,889 --> 00:39:36,623
accounts from the county.

1129
00:39:36,623 --> 00:39:38,425
Those that are in the contract

1130
00:39:38,425 --> 00:39:39,627
but that 75 accounts we were

1131
00:39:39,627 --> 00:39:41,463
picking up with a different

1132
00:39:41,463 --> 00:39:42,597
piece of equipment and

1133
00:39:42,597 --> 00:39:44,997
different personnel so I'm

1134
00:39:45,133 --> 00:39:45,767
going to be able to evaluate it

1135
00:39:45,767 --> 00:39:47,435
if I can pick it up but I'm

1136
00:39:47,435 --> 00:39:47,668
also going to do that analysis

1137
00:39:47,668 --> 00:39:49,538
as well.

1138
00:39:49,538 --> 00:39:51,473
>> we would be happy to hear

1139
00:39:51,473 --> 00:39:52,608
you made progress in saving

1140
00:39:52,608 --> 00:39:53,442
money by bringing it in the

1141
00:39:53,442 --> 00:39:54,643
house.

1142
00:39:54,643 --> 00:39:55,577
And then the other thing is I

1143
00:39:55,577 --> 00:39:57,577
am unclear.

1144
00:39:57,612 --> 00:39:59,615
This analysis we've asked for

1145
00:39:59,615 --> 00:40:01,450
and namita, do companies

1146
00:40:01,450 --> 00:40:02,651
normally tell you what they

1147
00:40:02,651 --> 00:40:04,520
would charge, is it the same as

1148
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,320
if we put out an rfp on the

1149
00:40:10,193 --> 00:40:11,393
street?

1150
00:40:11,393 --> 00:40:13,262
What because if you come to me

1151
00:40:13,262 --> 00:40:14,463
and tell me what I can do the

1152
00:40:14,463 --> 00:40:16,432
services for, but I don't see

1153
00:40:16,432 --> 00:40:17,433
the full scope of services, I

1154
00:40:17,433 --> 00:40:19,335
don't see an rfp.

1155
00:40:19,335 --> 00:40:21,337
How is it you're going to tell

1156
00:40:21,337 --> 00:40:24,337
me it's cheaper without putting

1157
00:40:29,111 --> 00:40:31,810
it out to bid.

1158
00:40:31,810 --> 00:40:32,482
>> we could do it two ways, by

1159
00:40:32,482 --> 00:40:34,500
sharing the scope of work.

1160
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:35,551
Not so much putting it out

1161
00:40:35,551 --> 00:40:37,186
formally, we could informally

1162
00:40:37,186 --> 00:40:39,550
ask or if you want us to put it

1163
00:40:39,550 --> 00:40:39,389
out formally we could do it

1164
00:40:39,389 --> 00:40:41,190
fourth-place.

1165
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:43,590
I was going to do it formal

1166
00:40:43,590 --> 00:40:44,261
because the ask is to I was

1167
00:40:44,261 --> 00:40:44,494
going to ask go out to bid and

1168
00:40:44,494 --> 00:40:46,494
mark it.

1169
00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:47,430
>> that was going to be my

1170
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:49,198
recommendation.

1171
00:40:49,198 --> 00:40:51,670
I don't trust that someone

1172
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:53,690
tells me this is the price

1173
00:40:53,690 --> 00:40:53,303
because it never really is that

1174
00:40:53,303 --> 00:40:55,710
price.

1175
00:40:55,710 --> 00:40:56,506
I think a formal rfp is where

1176
00:40:56,506 --> 00:40:58,174
you know one, who is willing to

1177
00:40:58,174 --> 00:41:00,770
bid on the job, to is there

1178
00:41:00,770 --> 00:41:01,345
anyone else other than these

1179
00:41:01,345 --> 00:41:03,213
two vendors that are willing to

1180
00:41:03,213 --> 00:41:05,820
do it and I have to believe

1181
00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:08,682
there MAY be others that have

1182
00:41:10,621 --> 00:41:11,588
come into the market in the

1183
00:41:11,588 --> 00:41:13,588
last three years.

1184
00:41:13,691 --> 00:41:15,392
Again we owe it to the taxpayer

1185
00:41:15,392 --> 00:41:16,593
to do the more fiscally

1186
00:41:16,593 --> 00:41:18,529
conservative thing which is to

1187
00:41:18,529 --> 00:41:20,398
put everything to bid and see

1188
00:41:20,398 --> 00:41:22,200
what comes back because if in

1189
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,567
fact it shows no one applies

1190
00:41:23,567 --> 00:41:25,536
for that the services they are

1191
00:41:25,536 --> 00:41:27,405
proposing in the bid is higher

1192
00:41:27,405 --> 00:41:28,539
than we know the answer and its

1193
00:41:28,539 --> 00:41:30,542
clear-cut, black and white.

1194
00:41:30,542 --> 00:41:32,510
I can then defend my decision

1195
00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:34,379
to move forward but I can never

1196
00:41:34,379 --> 00:41:35,580
defend it when I'm thinking

1197
00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:37,448
what I think versus what I know

1198
00:41:37,448 --> 00:41:39,384
that I have in front of me.

1199
00:41:39,384 --> 00:41:39,651
Thank you MADAM Chair.

1200
00:41:39,651 --> 00:41:41,386
>>.

1201
00:41:41,386 --> 00:41:43,387
>>chair: item 3c has been

1202
00:41:43,387 --> 00:41:43,655
deferred to the SEPTEMBER

1203
00:41:43,655 --> 00:41:45,490
committee.

1204
00:41:45,490 --> 00:41:47,391
I'm asking anything else.

1205
00:41:47,391 --> 00:41:47,625
>> there was a motion in the

1206
00:41:47,625 --> 00:41:49,625
second.

1207
00:41:56,101 --> 00:41:57,402
And then the rest.

1208
00:41:57,402 --> 00:41:59,802
>>commissioner gonzalez: I want

1209
00:42:00,105 --> 00:42:01,306
to make sure because I believe

1210
00:42:01,306 --> 00:42:03,706
commissioner lopez also added

1211
00:42:08,547 --> 00:42:08,747
that we should procure the

1212
00:42:08,747 --> 00:42:10,649
item.

1213
00:42:10,649 --> 00:42:12,551
>>chair: the only thing I would

1214
00:42:12,551 --> 00:42:13,686
say on that is I think she said

1215
00:42:13,686 --> 00:42:15,554
she's going to get us real

1216
00:42:15,554 --> 00:42:16,755
numbers and namita if you

1217
00:42:16,755 --> 00:42:18,657
explain how you get back and I

1218
00:42:18,657 --> 00:42:20,560
don't know if we're going to go

1219
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:21,761
out on the street.

1220
00:42:21,761 --> 00:42:23,761
>>commissioner gonzalez: I

1221
00:42:24,563 --> 00:42:28,763
think she said we were going to

1222
00:42:38,477 --> 00:42:39,646
procure, their line of

1223
00:42:39,646 --> 00:42:41,714
questioning was on point, if

1224
00:42:41,714 --> 00:42:43,616
we're bringing it in-house you

1225
00:42:43,616 --> 00:42:45,485
want to make sure we are saving

1226
00:42:45,485 --> 00:42:46,719
money and if were going to get

1227
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,622
that analysis and we procure it

1228
00:42:48,622 --> 00:42:50,590
it's almost a perfect time to

1229
00:42:50,590 --> 00:42:53,593
do a comparison this is what

1230
00:42:53,593 --> 00:42:54,561
you were saying, is the perfect

1231
00:42:54,561 --> 00:42:56,496
time to do the comparison as to

1232
00:42:56,496 --> 00:42:57,731
whether we should bring it

1233
00:42:57,731 --> 00:42:59,733
in-house because it's not only

1234
00:42:59,733 --> 00:43:01,634
the equipment we purchased, if

1235
00:43:01,634 --> 00:43:03,470
I'm not mistaken the director

1236
00:43:03,470 --> 00:43:04,738
of solid waste said there is

1237
00:43:04,738 --> 00:43:06,640
other equipment that needs to

1238
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,575
be purchased for this to happen

1239
00:43:08,575 --> 00:43:11,478
so it's almost a perfect time

1240
00:43:11,478 --> 00:43:12,646
now that we are deferring it to

1241
00:43:12,646 --> 00:43:14,548
procure it and make that cost

1242
00:43:14,548 --> 00:43:15,649
analysis and by the way it MAY

1243
00:43:15,649 --> 00:43:16,483
be that this is the best

1244
00:43:16,483 --> 00:43:17,584
option.

1245
00:43:17,584 --> 00:43:19,587
But we won't be sure.

1246
00:43:19,587 --> 00:43:20,688
>> if I can get clarity from

1247
00:43:20,688 --> 00:43:22,557
the director how you are

1248
00:43:22,557 --> 00:43:24,492
getting the real numbers so to

1249
00:43:24,492 --> 00:43:25,726
do a full procurement for

1250
00:43:25,726 --> 00:43:27,561
however many times we are going

1251
00:43:27,561 --> 00:43:29,497
to look to do it could be

1252
00:43:29,497 --> 00:43:30,732
potentially problematic because

1253
00:43:30,732 --> 00:43:32,667
if we are looking at bring the

1254
00:43:32,667 --> 00:43:34,469
immune in-house you're going to

1255
00:43:34,469 --> 00:43:36,504
tell these people who bid

1256
00:43:36,504 --> 00:43:39,504
sorry, and maybe there's an

1257
00:43:39,541 --> 00:43:40,975
invitation to negotiate, maybe,

1258
00:43:40,975 --> 00:43:42,644
how are you going to get her

1259
00:43:42,644 --> 00:43:44,612
the real numbers by SEPTEMBER.

1260
00:43:44,612 --> 00:43:46,513
>> we have to put out a formal

1261
00:43:46,513 --> 00:43:47,682
solicitation and it's going to

1262
00:43:47,682 --> 00:43:49,518
be an invitation to bid where

1263
00:43:49,518 --> 00:43:51,620
they give us their prices so

1264
00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:51,853
it's not too onerous that it's

1265
00:43:51,853 --> 00:43:52,720
an rfp.

1266
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:54,622
>>chair: that's fine.

1267
00:43:54,622 --> 00:43:56,590
Thank you so much, perfect.

1268
00:43:56,590 --> 00:43:58,663
This is what happens when you

1269
00:43:58,663 --> 00:43:59,661
come after a budget committee.

1270
00:43:59,661 --> 00:44:01,530
Yes, apparently I do not.

1271
00:44:01,530 --> 00:44:02,764
So through the lens of our

1272
00:44:02,764 --> 00:44:04,666
infrastructure committee are

1273
00:44:04,666 --> 00:44:06,535
there any other items that we

1274
00:44:06,535 --> 00:44:08,503
need to be looking at and by

1275
00:44:08,503 --> 00:44:09,671
the way I appreciate the

1276
00:44:09,671 --> 00:44:11,573
discussion this morning.

1277
00:44:11,573 --> 00:44:13,800
What other items are are we

1278
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:14,576
going to pass the balance of

1279
00:44:14,576 --> 00:44:15,511
the agenda and get to the

1280
00:44:15,511 --> 00:44:17,511
presentations.

1281
00:44:17,512 --> 00:44:20,512
>> move the balance on the

1282
00:44:26,889 --> 00:44:28,889
agenda.

1283
00:44:30,590 --> 00:44:30,960
>>chair: second by commissioner

1284
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,862
gonzales, all in favor.

1285
00:44:32,862 --> 00:44:35,640
Show that past and now we get

1286
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:35,264
to the presentations except for

1287
00:44:35,264 --> 00:44:36,999
that.

1288
00:44:36,999 --> 00:44:38,934
I have a request I will be

1289
00:44:38,934 --> 00:44:40,870
making to the chairs office for

1290
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:41,971
item 3b for the award of the

1291
00:44:41,971 --> 00:44:43,873
contract due to time

1292
00:44:43,873 --> 00:44:45,108
stipulations and constraints,

1293
00:44:45,108 --> 00:44:46,976
I'm going to be requesting to

1294
00:44:46,976 --> 00:44:47,176
add that to the agenda next

1295
00:44:47,176 --> 00:44:49,176
week.

1296
00:44:54,917 --> 00:44:56,152
>> we will supply you the memo.

1297
00:44:56,152 --> 00:44:58,154
>>chair: with that we will

1298
00:44:58,154 --> 00:45:00,156
start with our presentations.

1299
00:45:00,156 --> 00:45:01,925
I see some of the young people

1300
00:45:01,925 --> 00:45:03,930
in the audience, I want to

1301
00:45:03,930 --> 00:45:03,927
thank all of you for being

1302
00:45:03,927 --> 00:45:05,950
here.

1303
00:45:05,950 --> 00:45:06,930
They are part of the young

1304
00:45:06,930 --> 00:45:07,270
youth engagement program.

1305
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:07,230
O

1306
00:45:07,230 --> 00:45:09,230
welcome.

1307
00:45:09,934 --> 00:45:12,934
So our first presentation is

1308
00:45:13,103 --> 00:45:15,380
going to be with the

1309
00:45:15,380 --> 00:45:17,380
communications information

1310
00:45:33,191 --> 00:45:33,357
technology department, come on

1311
00:45:33,357 --> 00:45:35,357
up.

1312
00:45:37,194 --> 00:45:39,129
>> good afternoon everyone,

1313
00:45:39,129 --> 00:45:41,166
george karl oswald, director

1314
00:45:41,166 --> 00:45:43,166
for the communications

1315
00:45:53,945 --> 00:45:54,913
information and technology

1316
00:45:54,913 --> 00:45:56,913
department.

1317
00:45:56,948 --> 00:45:58,249
>>commissioner cohen higgins:

1318
00:45:58,249 --> 00:46:00,520
point of order MADAM Chair, MAY

1319
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:01,987
I be recognized briefly.

1320
00:46:01,987 --> 00:46:03,154
I don't mean to interrupt at

1321
00:46:03,154 --> 00:46:04,890
all even though I know that's

1322
00:46:04,890 --> 00:46:06,890
what I'm doing.

1323
00:46:21,390 --> 00:46:23,800
We just had a committee hearing

1324
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,411
where we had a number of

1325
00:46:25,411 --> 00:46:26,445
presentations that visibly look

1326
00:46:26,445 --> 00:46:27,980
identical to what you are

1327
00:46:27,980 --> 00:46:29,214
putting up on our screen right

1328
00:46:29,214 --> 00:46:31,184
now and I don't know if you

1329
00:46:31,184 --> 00:46:33,850
watched the previous committee

1330
00:46:33,850 --> 00:46:34,987
hearing but I don't have a copy

1331
00:46:34,987 --> 00:46:36,288
on my desk of your presentation

1332
00:46:36,288 --> 00:46:38,123
it is always helpful if I have

1333
00:46:38,123 --> 00:46:39,993
a physical copy so you can

1334
00:46:39,993 --> 00:46:40,326
distribute that to us and I'd

1335
00:46:40,326 --> 00:46:42,326
appreciate it.

1336
00:46:42,995 --> 00:46:44,997
I am going to assume that your

1337
00:46:44,997 --> 00:46:46,165
presentation follows the same

1338
00:46:46,165 --> 00:46:48,000
format followed at the last

1339
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,270
hearing of the other

1340
00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:52,720
presentations.

1341
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:53,600
Does your presentation have any

1342
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:54,974
numbers in it?

1343
00:46:54,974 --> 00:46:57,900
>> as you see it does not but I

1344
00:46:57,900 --> 00:46:59,278
would be happy to discuss.

1345
00:46:59,278 --> 00:47:01,140
>>commissioner cohen higgins: I

1346
00:47:01,140 --> 00:47:02,248
want you to go through your

1347
00:47:02,248 --> 00:47:04,117
presentation but tell me what

1348
00:47:04,117 --> 00:47:06,190
your budget is, if you could

1349
00:47:06,190 --> 00:47:08,210
share your budget and whether

1350
00:47:08,210 --> 00:47:10,240
or not you have met the

1351
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,250
administration's charge of not

1352
00:47:12,250 --> 00:47:13,159
exceeding 3% growth, that would

1353
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:15,280
be my question for you and

1354
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,195
every other director presenting

1355
00:47:16,195 --> 00:47:17,397
for you this afternoon.

1356
00:47:17,397 --> 00:47:18,131
>> give me one second.

1357
00:47:18,131 --> 00:47:20,131
Ou

1358
00:47:20,167 --> 00:47:22,360
want commissioner cohen higgins

1359
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,360
physical copies?

1360
00:47:24,370 --> 00:47:24,237
>>commissioner gonzalez: MADAM

1361
00:47:24,237 --> 00:47:26,237
Chair?

1362
00:47:26,807 --> 00:47:27,440
Just to piggyback off what

1363
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,420
commissioner cohen higgins is

1364
00:47:29,420 --> 00:47:30,244
saying, I'm a litigator by

1365
00:47:30,244 --> 00:47:32,179
trade and when you go in front

1366
00:47:32,179 --> 00:47:34,181
of a judge and you're arguing a

1367
00:47:34,181 --> 00:47:37,181
motion you always bring copies

1368
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:40,688
of the motion for opposing

1369
00:47:40,688 --> 00:47:40,955
counsel and bring a copy for

1370
00:47:40,955 --> 00:47:42,523
the judge.

1371
00:47:42,523 --> 00:47:43,791
O just for future

1372
00:47:43,791 --> 00:47:44,692
reference, we are not trying to

1373
00:47:44,692 --> 00:47:46,627
call you out.

1374
00:47:46,627 --> 00:47:48,562
It was the same thing but for

1375
00:47:48,562 --> 00:47:49,797
the directors that are going to

1376
00:47:49,797 --> 00:47:51,700
present after, if you can have

1377
00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:53,568
those copies given to us before

1378
00:47:53,568 --> 00:47:55,603
you come up to present, that

1379
00:47:55,603 --> 00:47:57,572
would be outstanding.

1380
00:47:57,572 --> 00:47:59,408
>> I'm trying to make sure you

1381
00:47:59,408 --> 00:48:00,575
get one for each scheduled

1382
00:48:00,575 --> 00:48:02,411
during this meeting so we are

1383
00:48:02,411 --> 00:48:03,411
passing them around as you

1384
00:48:03,411 --> 00:48:05,411
speak.

1385
00:48:10,152 --> 00:48:11,220
>> would you mind if I set the

1386
00:48:11,220 --> 00:48:13,155
expectation for all the

1387
00:48:13,155 --> 00:48:14,356
presentations so you know what

1388
00:48:14,356 --> 00:48:15,190
the directors were authorized

1389
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:17,158
to do?

1390
00:48:17,158 --> 00:48:20,158
When the budget process started

1391
00:48:21,630 --> 00:48:22,297
the mayor told us she would be

1392
00:48:22,297 --> 00:48:24,660
releasing her budget on the

1393
00:48:24,660 --> 00:48:25,234
15th and she asked each

1394
00:48:25,234 --> 00:48:27,569
department director to submit

1395
00:48:27,569 --> 00:48:29,505
their request to her.

1396
00:48:29,505 --> 00:48:31,507
After those submissions were

1397
00:48:31,507 --> 00:48:32,675
made she sent them back to the

1398
00:48:32,675 --> 00:48:34,675
departments for revisions

1399
00:48:38,981 --> 00:48:40,216
because there were more

1400
00:48:40,216 --> 00:48:41,984
requests and proposals and

1401
00:48:41,984 --> 00:48:43,252
there were resources.

1402
00:48:43,252 --> 00:48:45,188
That has gone on multiple times

1403
00:48:45,188 --> 00:48:47,122
so when these items got placed

1404
00:48:47,122 --> 00:48:48,991
on the agenda to have a budget

1405
00:48:48,991 --> 00:48:50,994
review all the department

1406
00:48:50,994 --> 00:48:52,161
directors were given the same

1407
00:48:52,161 --> 00:48:53,997
format to follow to describe

1408
00:48:53,997 --> 00:48:55,164
what their challenges were,

1409
00:48:55,164 --> 00:48:58,164
what their concerns were, what

1410
00:48:59,336 --> 00:49:00,537
their budget drivers were about

1411
00:49:00,537 --> 00:49:02,372
the exact numbers would be

1412
00:49:02,372 --> 00:49:03,573
released by the mayor on the

1413
00:49:03,573 --> 00:49:05,641
afternoon of the 15th so some

1414
00:49:05,641 --> 00:49:06,809
of the numbers you MAY be

1415
00:49:06,809 --> 00:49:08,444
looking for will not be in

1416
00:49:08,444 --> 00:49:10,347
these presentations and after

1417
00:49:10,347 --> 00:49:12,349
the mayor releases her budget

1418
00:49:12,349 --> 00:49:13,550
today then all the department

1419
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:15,585
directors and mayor staff will

1420
00:49:15,585 --> 00:49:17,985
make themselves available to

1421
00:49:22,326 --> 00:49:23,560
review those exact numbers.

1422
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,495
>>commissioner lopez: MADAM

1423
00:49:25,495 --> 00:49:26,396
Chair, I have a quick comment

1424
00:49:26,396 --> 00:49:27,597
to make.

1425
00:49:27,597 --> 00:49:29,499
The three of us that serve on

1426
00:49:29,499 --> 00:49:31,434
this committee were also on the

1427
00:49:31,434 --> 00:49:33,369
committee this morning where we

1428
00:49:33,369 --> 00:49:34,603
had so many questions based on

1429
00:49:34,603 --> 00:49:36,438
the presentations which really

1430
00:49:36,438 --> 00:49:36,706
didn't help us drill down on

1431
00:49:36,706 --> 00:49:38,706
anything.

1432
00:49:39,375 --> 00:49:40,476
So although I appreciate very

1433
00:49:40,476 --> 00:49:42,378
much deputy mayor your

1434
00:49:42,378 --> 00:49:45,378
explanation which we were given

1435
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:54,656
this morning as well, it's kind

1436
00:49:54,656 --> 00:49:56,458
of like a perfunctory exercise

1437
00:49:56,458 --> 00:49:56,557
we are going through here.

1438
00:49:56,557 --> 00:49:58,492
Ou

1439
00:49:58,492 --> 00:49:59,660
will tell us about all of this

1440
00:49:59,660 --> 00:50:01,562
which we could read ourselves

1441
00:50:01,562 --> 00:50:02,730
but it's not going to help us

1442
00:50:02,730 --> 00:50:04,565
determine which decisions we

1443
00:50:04,565 --> 00:50:06,467
need to make or what the plan

1444
00:50:06,467 --> 00:50:07,534
is so I'm not sure how fruitful

1445
00:50:07,534 --> 00:50:09,470
this will be.

1446
00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:10,637
Given the discussion we had

1447
00:50:10,637 --> 00:50:12,606
this morning in the budget

1448
00:50:12,606 --> 00:50:14,541
committee which really started

1449
00:50:14,541 --> 00:50:16,643
to drill down and it turned out

1450
00:50:16,643 --> 00:50:18,477
we spent a good hour asking

1451
00:50:18,477 --> 00:50:19,678
questions that we didn't have

1452
00:50:19,678 --> 00:50:21,480
anything in our hands that

1453
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,483
would help us have what I

1454
00:50:23,483 --> 00:50:23,783
considered to be a thoughtful

1455
00:50:23,783 --> 00:50:25,484
discussion.

1456
00:50:25,484 --> 00:50:27,553
So we MAY repeat the same

1457
00:50:27,553 --> 00:50:29,755
things in the same questions

1458
00:50:29,755 --> 00:50:31,390
but we wanted you to be aware

1459
00:50:31,390 --> 00:50:32,557
when for us it says budget

1460
00:50:32,557 --> 00:50:34,459
presentation we are grateful

1461
00:50:34,459 --> 00:50:36,495
you're here and thank you for

1462
00:50:36,495 --> 00:50:38,363
all this information but none

1463
00:50:38,363 --> 00:50:41,466
of it will assist me in making

1464
00:50:41,466 --> 00:50:43,334
a decision as to your budget.

1465
00:50:43,334 --> 00:50:44,502
Because I don't think any of

1466
00:50:44,502 --> 00:50:48,102
them and we started by asking

1467
00:50:49,473 --> 00:50:51,274
what's your total budget which

1468
00:50:51,274 --> 00:50:52,275
wasn't even on these

1469
00:50:52,275 --> 00:50:53,476
presentations.

1470
00:50:53,476 --> 00:50:55,379
Everyone scrambled and got us

1471
00:50:55,379 --> 00:50:56,546
what the budget was but so that

1472
00:50:56,546 --> 00:50:58,382
you already we began to drill

1473
00:50:58,382 --> 00:51:00,283
down what percentage of your

1474
00:51:00,283 --> 00:51:01,517
budget is general fund.

1475
00:51:01,517 --> 00:51:03,720
These were the questions we

1476
00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:05,688
were posing and it's somewhat

1477
00:51:05,688 --> 00:51:07,690
unfair I think because you're

1478
00:51:07,690 --> 00:51:08,825
not really prepared to answer

1479
00:51:08,825 --> 00:51:12,425
the questions we have so wanted

1480
00:51:20,168 --> 00:51:22,170
to put that on the record.

1481
00:51:22,170 --> 00:51:24,710
>> MADAM Chair MAY I respond?

1482
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:26,700
Some of that information is not

1483
00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:27,208
available because it's the

1484
00:51:27,208 --> 00:51:29,430
mayor's proposed budget that

1485
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:31,443
will give those final

1486
00:51:36,250 --> 00:51:37,451
recommendations and what

1487
00:51:37,451 --> 00:51:39,586
information they do have their

1488
00:51:39,586 --> 00:51:41,388
not authorized to repeat until

1489
00:51:41,388 --> 00:51:43,256
she unveils her budget in case

1490
00:51:43,256 --> 00:51:44,524
she decides to change anything

1491
00:51:44,524 --> 00:51:46,392
from the davies presentations

1492
00:51:46,392 --> 00:51:48,261
were started till today so the

1493
00:51:48,261 --> 00:51:49,462
directors are able to provide

1494
00:51:49,462 --> 00:51:51,331
something they don't have.

1495
00:51:51,331 --> 00:51:53,266
>> we understand that and

1496
00:51:53,266 --> 00:51:55,266
commissioner cohen higgins.

1497
00:51:55,401 --> 00:51:56,402
>>commissioner cohen higgins:

1498
00:51:56,402 --> 00:51:57,503
deputy mayor, we already

1499
00:51:57,503 --> 00:51:59,503
understand that clearly.

1500
00:52:00,272 --> 00:52:01,473
And I think the CHAIRMAN Of the

1501
00:52:01,473 --> 00:52:03,408
board was the one that asked

1502
00:52:03,408 --> 00:52:05,277
all of us to do these budget

1503
00:52:05,277 --> 00:52:07,379
reviews and these analysis in

1504
00:52:07,379 --> 00:52:08,380
an effort to work collectively

1505
00:52:08,380 --> 00:52:09,247
towards the same goal

1506
00:52:09,247 --> 00:52:10,482
obviously.

1507
00:52:10,482 --> 00:52:14,820
I'm not sure that going through

1508
00:52:14,118 --> 00:52:15,386
these presentations is going to

1509
00:52:15,386 --> 00:52:17,354
be particularly helpful because

1510
00:52:17,354 --> 00:52:19,256
I'm not sure it accomplishes

1511
00:52:19,256 --> 00:52:21,325
what the CHAIRMAN Named for us

1512
00:52:21,325 --> 00:52:23,294
to accomplish and during the

1513
00:52:23,294 --> 00:52:25,129
previous hearing we discussed

1514
00:52:25,129 --> 00:52:26,630
having a workshop of sorts.

1515
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:29,630
Where after the 2:30 release of

1516
00:52:33,370 --> 00:52:35,371
our mayor's budget we will then

1517
00:52:35,371 --> 00:52:36,606
have the numbers, have a clear

1518
00:52:36,606 --> 00:52:40,206
picture of, and I think having

1519
00:52:41,344 --> 00:52:43,212
the presentations subsequent to

1520
00:52:43,212 --> 00:52:44,246
that release is probably the

1521
00:52:44,246 --> 00:52:46,646
most famous do because

1522
00:52:48,951 --> 00:52:49,984
everybody's operating with

1523
00:52:49,984 --> 00:52:51,186
transparency.

1524
00:52:51,186 --> 00:52:53,121
Right now you've represented

1525
00:52:53,121 --> 00:52:55,690
the CHAIRMAN's don't know what

1526
00:52:55,690 --> 00:52:56,257
their budgets are until 2:30

1527
00:52:56,257 --> 00:52:58,590
when the mayor releases it

1528
00:52:58,590 --> 00:52:59,961
which is fine but I don't think

1529
00:52:59,961 --> 00:53:01,295
that was the CHAIRMAN's

1530
00:53:01,295 --> 00:53:03,300
understanding when he asked for

1531
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:04,999
these two be placed on our

1532
00:53:04,999 --> 00:53:06,167
agenda so in the interest of

1533
00:53:06,167 --> 00:53:08,680
time I don't know that going

1534
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,680
through the exercise unless my

1535
00:53:20,130 --> 00:53:21,915
colleagues want to do this,

1536
00:53:21,915 --> 00:53:23,149
without numbers and deputy

1537
00:53:23,149 --> 00:53:25,840
mayor you are digging your

1538
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:26,919
heels in and saying the numbers

1539
00:53:26,919 --> 00:53:27,119
will not be released until

1540
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:28,187
2:30.

1541
00:53:28,187 --> 00:53:30,155
I'm not sure the interest of

1542
00:53:30,155 --> 00:53:31,924
our time is best served going

1543
00:53:31,924 --> 00:53:33,192
through each departments aims

1544
00:53:33,192 --> 00:53:35,160
aspirations and accomplishments

1545
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,970
as we have budget presentations

1546
00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:39,300
on our agenda so I'm not sure

1547
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:41,132
is my colleagues want to waive

1548
00:53:41,132 --> 00:53:43,135
the presentations or wait for

1549
00:53:43,135 --> 00:53:44,902
our workshop we are planning to

1550
00:53:44,902 --> 00:53:46,370
have I think going through

1551
00:53:46,370 --> 00:53:48,370
these presentations without

1552
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:49,173
actual numbers is not the best

1553
00:53:49,173 --> 00:53:50,908
utilization of our time, thank

1554
00:53:50,908 --> 00:53:52,908
you MADAM Chair.

1555
00:53:53,911 --> 00:53:55,212
>>chair: commissioner gonzales.

1556
00:53:55,212 --> 00:53:57,612
>>commissioner gonzalez: I have

1557
00:53:57,915 --> 00:53:59,820
to agree and I appreciate the

1558
00:53:59,820 --> 00:54:01,482
chief's explanation because I

1559
00:54:02,180 --> 00:54:02,319
agree with the deputy mayor's

1560
00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:04,870
explanation.

1561
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:05,922
It's not fair to you, it's not

1562
00:54:05,922 --> 00:54:07,157
personal to you but I agree

1563
00:54:07,157 --> 00:54:08,925
with commissioner cohen higgins

1564
00:54:08,925 --> 00:54:10,927
that going through a

1565
00:54:10,927 --> 00:54:13,327
presentation talking about how

1566
00:54:13,629 --> 00:54:14,830
great the technology department

1567
00:54:14,830 --> 00:54:16,898
is and I have no doubt that

1568
00:54:16,898 --> 00:54:18,634
it's great, we've met one on

1569
00:54:18,634 --> 00:54:19,835
one before, we have no doubt

1570
00:54:19,835 --> 00:54:22,700
that it's great and that you're

1571
00:54:22,700 --> 00:54:23,905
doing a great job as a director

1572
00:54:23,905 --> 00:54:26,775
but for purposes of going

1573
00:54:26,775 --> 00:54:27,976
through your budget and

1574
00:54:27,976 --> 00:54:30,976
analyzing what can and should

1575
00:54:31,979 --> 00:54:32,246
not be cut this perhaps is

1576
00:54:32,246 --> 00:54:34,810
premature.

1577
00:54:34,810 --> 00:54:37,284
It might be a good idea to

1578
00:54:37,284 --> 00:54:39,286
waive or ask commissioner cohen

1579
00:54:39,286 --> 00:54:42,286
higgins is suggesting maybe we

1580
00:54:47,894 --> 00:54:50,196
can defer this until after.

1581
00:54:50,196 --> 00:54:51,131
>>commissioner cohen higgins:

1582
00:54:51,131 --> 00:54:52,999
because I wasn't there were

1583
00:54:52,999 --> 00:54:54,670
looking to have a workshop, is

1584
00:54:54,670 --> 00:54:54,934
that what we are going to

1585
00:54:54,934 --> 00:54:56,435
schedule?

1586
00:54:56,435 --> 00:54:58,370
>> our committee decided we

1587
00:54:58,370 --> 00:55:00,390
would not recess in AUGUST.

1588
00:55:00,390 --> 00:55:01,907
Our committee will take as long

1589
00:55:01,907 --> 00:55:02,974
as it takes to go through every

1590
00:55:02,974 --> 00:55:05,374
budget because what we

1591
00:55:12,830 --> 00:55:12,684
discovered was

1592
00:55:12,684 --> 00:55:15,684
they were asked to grow

1593
00:55:18,356 --> 00:55:18,956
the budgets by 3% and we

1594
00:55:18,956 --> 00:55:19,857
said we're pretty sure if

1595
00:55:19,857 --> 00:55:21,292
we work with the

1596
00:55:21,292 --> 00:55:22,526
administration, we will

1597
00:55:22,526 --> 00:55:23,127
find ways in which we walk

1598
00:55:23,127 --> 00:55:23,828
away and say we actually

1599
00:55:23,828 --> 00:55:24,361
saved money, we didn't

1600
00:55:24,361 --> 00:55:26,361
grow government.

1601
00:55:31,534 --> 00:55:32,402
So that was the decision

1602
00:55:32,402 --> 00:55:33,236
in this morning's budget

1603
00:55:33,236 --> 00:55:33,803
that we would not recess.

1604
00:55:33,803 --> 00:55:34,937
We would come back in

1605
00:55:34,937 --> 00:55:35,638
AUGUST and begin to drill

1606
00:55:35,638 --> 00:55:35,939
down on every department

1607
00:55:35,939 --> 00:55:37,939
budget.

1608
00:55:38,675 --> 00:55:39,275
>> Chair Steinberg: well,

1609
00:55:39,275 --> 00:55:39,475
I would like to be part of

1610
00:55:39,475 --> 00:55:40,243
that.

1611
00:55:40,243 --> 00:55:41,977
I guess hearing from three

1612
00:55:41,977 --> 00:55:42,745
of the board members right

1613
00:55:42,745 --> 00:55:44,800
now, I think it's clear

1614
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:44,714
they want to waive the

1615
00:55:44,714 --> 00:55:47,114
presentations to an AUGUST

1616
00:55:49,685 --> 00:55:50,185
meeting for I guess a more

1617
00:55:50,185 --> 00:55:50,686
in-depth budget

1618
00:55:50,686 --> 00:55:51,220
discussion.

1619
00:55:51,220 --> 00:55:51,720
I know yesterday our

1620
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:53,555
committee, we had these

1621
00:55:53,555 --> 00:55:55,555
great presentations, but

1622
00:55:57,125 --> 00:55:57,392
they were really an

1623
00:55:57,392 --> 00:55:58,126
abstract.

1624
00:55:58,126 --> 00:55:58,727
So at the end it would've

1625
00:55:58,727 --> 00:56:00,761
been nice to have some

1626
00:56:00,761 --> 00:56:03,161
budget numbers with them.

1627
00:56:05,199 --> 00:56:05,800
So while I do appreciate

1628
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:06,333
everybody's time and

1629
00:56:06,333 --> 00:56:06,934
effort, I think this

1630
00:56:06,934 --> 00:56:07,734
committee is now taking

1631
00:56:07,734 --> 00:56:10,104
the direction that they

1632
00:56:10,104 --> 00:56:11,138
would like to postpone.

1633
00:56:11,138 --> 00:56:12,506
Any sort of presentation

1634
00:56:12,506 --> 00:56:13,340
until after the budget is

1635
00:56:13,340 --> 00:56:16,340
rolled out so that they

1636
00:56:16,910 --> 00:56:19,120
can ook at it with that

1637
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,647
lens and make sure that --

1638
00:56:20,647 --> 00:56:24,247
by the way, we support our

1639
00:56:27,186 --> 00:56:27,587
department in their

1640
00:56:27,587 --> 00:56:29,388
endeavors as well.

1641
00:56:29,388 --> 00:56:31,788
>> just to piggyback, for

1642
00:56:33,692 --> 00:56:35,861
those budget, for those

1643
00:56:35,861 --> 00:56:37,296
presentations, since the I

1644
00:56:37,296 --> 00:56:38,897
don't think any of us are

1645
00:56:38,897 --> 00:56:41,297
expecting anybody to just

1646
00:56:42,670 --> 00:56:42,701
read off a screen.

1647
00:56:42,701 --> 00:56:44,701
For those presentations,

1648
00:56:52,877 --> 00:56:53,678
you know, we had -- come

1649
00:56:53,678 --> 00:56:55,579
up and I think that's the

1650
00:56:55,579 --> 00:56:57,280
level of expectation

1651
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:58,348
everyone will have don't

1652
00:56:58,348 --> 00:57:00,917
just come up and read.

1653
00:57:00,917 --> 00:57:02,586
Know your numbers because

1654
00:57:02,586 --> 00:57:05,586
you are a highly capable

1655
00:57:05,588 --> 00:57:07,988
director, which is the

1656
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:11,194
equivalent of a C.E.O. Of

1657
00:57:11,194 --> 00:57:11,527
a multimillion dollar

1658
00:57:11,527 --> 00:57:12,895
organization.

1659
00:57:12,895 --> 00:57:15,865
So when you do come, when

1660
00:57:15,865 --> 00:57:18,865
you do come, come prepared

1661
00:57:19,167 --> 00:57:20,736
to know your numbers, know

1662
00:57:20,736 --> 00:57:21,770
your departments, and know

1663
00:57:21,770 --> 00:57:24,170
exactly how to defend

1664
00:57:24,205 --> 00:57:24,973
every penny that you're

1665
00:57:24,973 --> 00:57:26,973
asking for.

1666
00:57:36,117 --> 00:57:36,984
Am I correct?

1667
00:57:36,984 --> 00:57:37,652
>> MADAM Chair, I also

1668
00:57:37,652 --> 00:57:38,485
wanted to remind everyone

1669
00:57:38,485 --> 00:57:39,253
that I've asked all the

1670
00:57:39,253 --> 00:57:39,987
department directors, and

1671
00:57:39,987 --> 00:57:40,687
I'll do it again here.

1672
00:57:40,687 --> 00:57:41,488
I would like a schedule of

1673
00:57:41,488 --> 00:57:41,822
your vacancies with the

1674
00:57:41,822 --> 00:57:42,589
aging reports.

1675
00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:43,523
And I would further like

1676
00:57:43,523 --> 00:57:44,224
-- what occurred this

1677
00:57:44,224 --> 00:57:46,624
morning was a discussion

1678
00:57:47,127 --> 00:57:47,627
around telling me that you

1679
00:57:47,627 --> 00:57:50,270
got rid of 50 staff

1680
00:57:52,432 --> 00:57:53,233
members, but in fact, what

1681
00:57:53,233 --> 00:57:53,900
happened was some left the

1682
00:57:53,900 --> 00:57:56,300
county and some, because

1683
00:57:56,402 --> 00:57:57,202
of their employment

1684
00:57:57,202 --> 00:57:57,837
rights, were actually

1685
00:57:57,837 --> 00:57:58,237
transferred into another

1686
00:57:58,237 --> 00:57:58,504
department.

1687
00:57:58,504 --> 00:58:00,504
O that's not

1688
00:58:02,641 --> 00:58:03,275
a savings.

1689
00:58:03,275 --> 00:58:03,842
We're gonna be really

1690
00:58:03,842 --> 00:58:04,343
clear about every step

1691
00:58:04,343 --> 00:58:05,611
we're taking.

1692
00:58:05,611 --> 00:58:06,211
We want the public to

1693
00:58:06,211 --> 00:58:06,778
understand exactly what

1694
00:58:06,778 --> 00:58:07,513
we're doing to the other

1695
00:58:07,513 --> 00:58:09,514
thing we also asked is if

1696
00:58:09,514 --> 00:58:12,514
you're moving any of your

1697
00:58:13,985 --> 00:58:14,619
people or services to a

1698
00:58:14,619 --> 00:58:15,487
constitutional officer,

1699
00:58:15,487 --> 00:58:17,487
that constitutional

1700
00:58:20,591 --> 00:58:21,358
officer is gonna come back

1701
00:58:21,358 --> 00:58:21,559
and asked me for that

1702
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:22,159
money.

1703
00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:23,627
That's net zero savings.

1704
00:58:23,627 --> 00:58:23,828
It's just going from us to

1705
00:58:23,828 --> 00:58:24,628
them.

1706
00:58:24,628 --> 00:58:25,262
I want everyone to

1707
00:58:25,262 --> 00:58:25,762
understand that I expect

1708
00:58:25,762 --> 00:58:27,364
truth in budgeting and

1709
00:58:27,364 --> 00:58:30,167
I've been very clear about

1710
00:58:30,167 --> 00:58:31,000
that from the beginning.

1711
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:31,969
We have to be able to say

1712
00:58:31,969 --> 00:58:34,271
what is really going on

1713
00:58:34,271 --> 00:58:35,605
without sort of skimming

1714
00:58:35,605 --> 00:58:38,605
over it because most often

1715
00:58:41,544 --> 00:58:42,378
I hear the complaint if

1716
00:58:42,378 --> 00:58:42,979
they said they got rid of

1717
00:58:42,979 --> 00:58:44,714
those jobs, but I know a

1718
00:58:44,714 --> 00:58:45,280
person is working in

1719
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,749
another department in

1720
00:58:46,749 --> 00:58:47,490
another role in another

1721
00:58:47,490 --> 00:58:47,783
department.

1722
00:58:47,783 --> 00:58:48,817
So we want to be sure we

1723
00:58:48,817 --> 00:58:50,619
explain why we have had to

1724
00:58:50,619 --> 00:58:53,190
move people to another

1725
00:58:53,822 --> 00:58:54,522
department because they've

1726
00:58:54,522 --> 00:58:55,323
had employment rights, and

1727
00:58:55,323 --> 00:58:57,723
what does that mean?

1728
00:58:58,159 --> 00:58:58,693
Because the general public

1729
00:58:58,693 --> 00:58:59,270
has no idea what that

1730
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:59,227
means.

1731
00:58:59,227 --> 00:59:00,280
Zero.

1732
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,280
So be prepared when you,

1733
00:59:09,904 --> 00:59:10,538
and we have your numbers

1734
00:59:10,538 --> 00:59:11,138
before you that we expect

1735
00:59:11,138 --> 00:59:12,380
to be able to talk about

1736
00:59:12,380 --> 00:59:13,240
every penny in your budget

1737
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:13,874
and for you to start

1738
00:59:13,874 --> 00:59:17,474
thinking if I had to get

1739
00:59:22,515 --> 00:59:23,149
rid of it, if I didn't

1740
00:59:23,149 --> 00:59:24,170
grow, if I just stayed,

1741
00:59:24,170 --> 00:59:24,751
you know, because we do

1742
00:59:24,751 --> 00:59:25,151
zero-based budgeting in

1743
00:59:25,151 --> 00:59:26,118
the state.

1744
00:59:26,118 --> 00:59:26,786
You don't tell me you're

1745
00:59:26,786 --> 00:59:27,620
going to grow anything.

1746
00:59:27,620 --> 00:59:28,354
You're in a start with

1747
00:59:28,354 --> 00:59:31,954
what you had and then tell

1748
00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:46,506
me, be prepared to tell me

1749
00:59:46,506 --> 00:59:47,274
if you get, if you reduce

1750
00:59:47,274 --> 00:59:47,908
this, what would happen?

1751
00:59:47,908 --> 00:59:48,508
Because that's the part

1752
00:59:48,508 --> 00:59:49,276
nobody talks about either.

1753
00:59:49,276 --> 00:59:49,777
So you know, because

1754
00:59:49,777 --> 00:59:50,277
that's exactly the

1755
00:59:50,277 --> 00:59:50,877
question I asked 12

1756
00:59:50,877 --> 00:59:51,545
secretaries at the state.

1757
00:59:51,545 --> 00:59:52,613
If I tell you to reduce

1758
00:59:52,613 --> 00:59:52,846
this line item, what will

1759
00:59:52,846 --> 00:59:53,580
happen.

1760
00:59:53,580 --> 00:59:54,114
What services have to go?

1761
00:59:54,114 --> 00:59:54,348
Where can you find

1762
00:59:54,348 --> 00:59:55,480
savings?

1763
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:55,315
And let me tell you

1764
00:59:55,315 --> 00:59:56,490
something.

1765
00:59:56,490 --> 00:59:56,750
If you can find a 3%

1766
00:59:56,750 --> 00:59:57,317
savings in the state that

1767
00:59:57,317 --> 00:59:59,717
has, you know, 10 times

1768
01:00:06,627 --> 01:00:07,261
the budget that we have

1769
01:00:07,261 --> 01:00:08,161
here, I'm pretty sure we

1770
01:00:08,161 --> 01:00:08,796
can find savings and we're

1771
01:00:08,796 --> 01:00:09,731
committed, our budget

1772
01:00:09,731 --> 01:00:10,231
committee is committed to

1773
01:00:10,231 --> 01:00:10,899
working with the

1774
01:00:10,899 --> 01:00:11,432
administration to help do

1775
01:00:11,432 --> 01:00:12,233
that in partnership

1776
01:00:12,233 --> 01:00:12,800
because that's what we

1777
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:13,468
think we can both do.

1778
01:00:13,468 --> 01:00:15,336
So I just -- that's just a

1779
01:00:15,336 --> 01:00:16,137
word to the wise of what

1780
01:00:16,137 --> 01:00:16,804
we will be looking at.

1781
01:00:16,804 --> 01:00:17,471
He kind of discussions

1782
01:00:17,471 --> 01:00:18,672
that we had this morning.

1783
01:00:18,672 --> 01:00:19,173
> Chair Steinberg: all

1784
01:00:19,173 --> 01:00:21,173
right.

1785
01:00:26,581 --> 01:00:27,582
Thank you.

1786
01:00:27,582 --> 01:00:28,182
Any other comments or

1787
01:00:28,182 --> 01:00:28,349
questions from the dais?

1788
01:00:28,349 --> 01:00:29,830
Yes?

1789
01:00:29,830 --> 01:00:29,618
>> MADAM Chair, just

1790
01:00:29,618 --> 01:00:29,951
quickly to provide

1791
01:00:29,951 --> 01:00:30,619
clarification.

1792
01:00:30,619 --> 01:00:31,286
I think it's the

1793
01:00:31,286 --> 01:00:31,887
intention, I hope it's the

1794
01:00:31,887 --> 01:00:34,287
intention, I'm sure it's

1795
01:00:38,326 --> 01:00:39,227
the intention that these

1796
01:00:39,227 --> 01:00:39,828
budget hearings that we

1797
01:00:39,828 --> 01:00:40,762
will have an AUGUST is

1798
01:00:40,762 --> 01:00:41,396
open and welcome to all

1799
01:00:41,396 --> 01:00:43,796
commissioners, more like a

1800
01:00:44,333 --> 01:00:44,999
committee of the whole

1801
01:00:44,999 --> 01:00:45,734
where we engage in that

1802
01:00:45,734 --> 01:00:48,734
deep dive that we have

1803
01:00:50,973 --> 01:00:51,675
been talking about.

1804
01:00:51,675 --> 01:00:52,408
So I look forward to all

1805
01:00:52,408 --> 01:00:53,108
of our colleagues

1806
01:00:53,108 --> 01:00:54,410
participating in that, and

1807
01:00:54,410 --> 01:00:55,243
I see our CHAIRWOMAN

1808
01:00:55,243 --> 01:00:55,844
Nodding her head, so that

1809
01:00:55,844 --> 01:00:58,844
is the confirmation I was

1810
01:01:03,850 --> 01:01:04,530
looking for.

1811
01:01:04,530 --> 01:01:04,620
Thank you, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

1812
01:01:04,620 --> 01:01:05,870
>> Chair Steinberg:

1813
01:01:05,870 --> 01:01:06,880
debbie numerically

1814
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:06,721
>> MADAM CHAIRMAN, we are

1815
01:01:06,721 --> 01:01:07,156
thankful for the clear

1816
01:01:07,156 --> 01:01:07,756
direction.

1817
01:01:07,756 --> 01:01:08,357
Commissioner lopez, I'll

1818
01:01:08,357 --> 01:01:09,157
warn you in advance, we

1819
01:01:09,157 --> 01:01:11,157
have been plagiarizing

1820
01:01:15,310 --> 01:01:15,698
your theme and I think

1821
01:01:15,698 --> 01:01:16,365
I've heard the mayor say

1822
01:01:16,365 --> 01:01:17,990
it three times yesterday,

1823
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:17,767
so I think it stuck.

1824
01:01:17,767 --> 01:01:18,600
I would like to point out

1825
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,200
to you that the mayor did

1826
01:01:35,180 --> 01:01:35,218
put out a memo on solid

1827
01:01:35,218 --> 01:01:36,190
waste.

1828
01:01:36,190 --> 01:01:36,286
I think exactly like what

1829
01:01:36,286 --> 01:01:37,200
you want.

1830
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:37,754
If we don't do this,

1831
01:01:37,754 --> 01:01:38,287
what's the consequent is?

1832
01:01:38,287 --> 01:01:39,880
We gave it to you.

1833
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:39,656
We did the same thing on

1834
01:01:39,656 --> 01:01:40,524
water and sewer rates,

1835
01:01:40,524 --> 01:01:41,158
which we haven't even

1836
01:01:41,158 --> 01:01:41,724
addressed yet, but is our

1837
01:01:41,724 --> 01:01:42,526
intention to follow your

1838
01:01:42,526 --> 01:01:43,226
mantra of truth in

1839
01:01:43,226 --> 01:01:44,327
budgeting and whatever we

1840
01:01:44,327 --> 01:01:44,661
do here's the consequences

1841
01:01:44,661 --> 01:01:45,361
pro or con.

1842
01:01:45,361 --> 01:01:46,229
>> Chair Steinberg: and

1843
01:01:46,229 --> 01:01:46,762
on that note, our meeting

1844
01:01:46,762 --> 01:01:48,762
is adjourned.

1845
01:01:50,534 --> 01:01:52,534
Thank you.