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Okay, good. Well, this is the presentation portion of the agenda. I am Commissioner Oliver Gilbert, our chairman, Anthony, our regas is approaching our mayor, then yellow living cover is on her way down. We have presentations today. Now, what we do in these presentations is we recognize extraordinary people, extraordinary organizations at times who have done things that go above and beyond. Today, we have some presentations. But first, I give the microphone to the chairman, you are given around the applause. Anthony Wright,

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me guys. Oh, I mean, yeah, thank you guys, all right. I don't know what you

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have to be this. This isn't what I need right now. All right. Um, matter

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mayor, powerful red, all right. Good morning. Good morning. All right. So we

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got all the puppies. All right. I love it. I should have brought my daughter to

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work with me today. I knew that you all were going to bring the dogs. I

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I didn't know that, and I thought it would bring her.

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We're not going to start with you guys.

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We're going to wait a second to get a few, we're going to start with some other very important

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folks that are here today.

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We have this morning, some very distinguished guests and members of the Constitution Court of

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Canada.

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Right? We have the Council General of Canada, the Honorable Sylvia Césarado, Césarado,

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more or less, and I'll let you correct me in a second. And Ms. Shannon Eisenhardt,

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I think I said that, okay. The U.S. State Department Regional Director for the Office

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of Foreign Missions. So, it is my privilege to recognize two outstanding leaders who's

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education to diplomacy and international collaboration has strengthened our global partnerships.

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And today we are honored to present certificates of appreciation to the Honorable Sylvia

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Sassarado and the Council General of Canada and the Shannon Eisenhutt, the regional director

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of the U.S. Department of State, State Office of Foreign Missions.

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And because I keep messing up the name probably, I am going to let my colleague, Commissioner

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out of a gober who it's the sponsor of this special presentation, continue to mess up the name

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for me.

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And then of course I imagine the mayor is going to have some words to say as well and we'll

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let Gerard, if you have something to say as well.

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Commissioner.

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Thank you, Mr Chairman.

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I'll be very brief.

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One of the things that's really special about our interaction with the rest of the world is the

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Council of Corn here in Miami-Day County, it's a very large Council of Corn.

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And it's kind of symbolic of the idea that we are an international city.

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We're an international city in every way through the center of people who live here

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born in different countries.

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International, in a sense, that we are the gateway to the Americas and to South

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and Central American Caribbean.

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We're the first people they see when they come to the country with a...

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The last people they see before they leave, if they're in this part of the hemisphere.

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And so we have great working relationships that actually foster not just cultural connections, but business connections.

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And that happens through our wonderful partners in Canada, and also through the State Department, who's doing an excellent job at keeping us connected to other folks.

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And so it's our honor, our privilege to actually honor you all today.

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And to recognize you and recognize your public service, because people will never actually see you all.

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They'll see like the Prime Minister in the Secretary, and they'll see the President, and it's

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nothing all these other ambassadors, they don't see the people that come every day and sit

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down with business leaves and show them how to make connections and help people through their

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immigration problems.

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They don't see those people.

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You're the people who do that work.

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And so on behalf of all those people who you service, all those businesses you enable, I say thank

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you.

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My name is Dave County.

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Thank you.

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Madam Mayor?

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Any other questions?

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Any other questions?

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Any other questions?

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What do you want to speak on?

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General, you are a friend.

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Thank you so much for your friendship, for your support, but as Commissioner Gilbert said,

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we have been working—I personally have been working with the console General of Canada,

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your predecessor, yourself.

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It is amazing.

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The kind of work that you're doing here.

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So many Canadians living and working here.

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So I'm just grateful that I can serve now in this role as a Commissioner to help foster

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all of the great relationships that you have worked so hard to do so. So thank you.

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I got to say Ditto. We've known each other prior

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console and I think I was one of the first people that was visited by you and so thank you so

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much for the great job. You've done and continued to do both of you and obviously Ditto

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to my colleague to the left side.

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Well I must say that for me this is a personal loss

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And I have seen too many consular corps members leave us.

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So we don't only have one of the largest consular corps,

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we have the best in the country.

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And we're very proud of that fact.

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And it speaks to our global ties.

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I will also say that I lived in Canada,

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I went, I lived in Vancouver as a child.

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And so I feel very attached to that nation

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And I've vacationed in Canada in the wilds of Canada and we will not be charging any tariffs to Canada here in Miami-Dade County just to make that very clear. Am I right? Oh, a policy decision. Okay. I'm going to say it's a business decision. No, no tariffs for Miami-Dade County. So we value your our friendship. We value your leadership. You've been not just here on behalf of Canada. You've been here really on behalf of the globe and our country. You've stood up on important issues.

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so many are environment, immigration issues, you've been at the forefront, so we're very proud and sad to lose you.

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And to our state department, you have not just handled all the logistics for people who need help, but navigating.

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You facilitated these men and women from our UCR team to go to Venezuela.

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And you, I know you're personally very proud of that fact, you joined us there and in greeting

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them and we're very, very grateful for your incredible dedication and service, the best

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possible role that State Department could serve as to provide assistance to our neighbors

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in need.

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So we're very grateful and this is well, deserving of the price.

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Thank you.

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All right, Mayor.

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Thank you very much.

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Now, Commissioner Bustin.

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Thank you Mr. Chair, good morning, everyone.

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She just went to join my voice to do so my colleagues

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on our mayor to thank you for all your service.

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Oftentimes this job is being recognized.

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Yet, you have such an impact on people's lives.

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So I want to thank you for that.

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And thank you also for reaching out to my office

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and coming to meet with me often to get feedback

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on the immigrant situation, not only for Haiti,

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for others. So thank you so much.

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Appreciate you.

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I already want to say.

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I mean, commissioner.

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It's time we just want to say.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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I just want to say that we definitely

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be going to miss our constitution.

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I'll see.

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I think she has an amazing job.

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You know, keeping a flow in a keeping

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my immediate country connected to Canada.

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And to miss.

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I don't know.

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We always call on the point for everything

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when we have foreign delegation on everything.

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She's smiling right now.

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I can tell you that she knows, so we are going to miss both of them tremendously, so, but thank you very much.

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We'd like you to say a few words as well, both of you. So if you want to take the leave.

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This is unscripted. Firstly, thank you all so very much for the sponsors and all of you for your kind words.

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It's been a true privilege for me to be in Florida and hear Miami representing Canada these last four years.

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And firstly, let me thank you for those wearing red. It looks wonderful on you.

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our Canadian colors. I have had five international postings and so my career is quickly coming

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to an end sadly, but I will take away very fond memories of my time here in Miami because

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everyone has been so gracious in receiving us and everyone has a good story to tell about their

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relationship with Canada. Despite what's happening at the federal level and in the media at the end

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If the day we remain neighbors, Canada is in moving, we're not going anywhere, friends and allies

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and the strongest of friends and allies.

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We share the biggest trading relationship between any two countries in the world.

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We share the longest border between any two countries in the world that is jointly managed.

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We are completely integrated, economically, but more than that we share the same values for

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peace and prosperity and security and it's been a real honor and I have to tell you

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everywhere I've been. There is an evening or an event where somebody doesn't tell me

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they've been to Canada or they have Canadian roots or good Canadian friends or even

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Canadians in their family and the reverse is true. There are Americans that live in Canada too.

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All I can say is thank you for the warm welcome for the friendship, the partnership,

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I'm going back home to Ottawa, and I hope to be able to see you there one day, Mayor.

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Congressman, potentially, all of you, Vicki, we didn't get you up in your role, but maybe from your new purchase.

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And I also want to just recognize it all for all his support and his team.

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It's been a true honor to work with you.

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So thank you.

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Merci.

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Good morning, everyone.

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First of all, it's my absolute pleasure to be here as a Florida native.

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And to be assigned here in Miami, back home, which is really nice as Sylvia said after many many years, 20 plus just in government, but actually more 35 years of being international and representing our nation, it's so wonderful to finally be back home and be here for the last four years.

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And to work with all of our local state and federal counterparts has been incredible what an unprecedented, especially this year, as we know just concluding the World Cup and working with all of our partners.

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and leading up to the G20, which is going to be just a perfect way to cap off a very, very exciting crazy year.

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Also, I wanted to say thank you to all my law enforcement partners.

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As a diplomatic security special agent, it's not only did I serve as a U.S. diplomat, but also federal law enforcement overseas,

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and some very, very precarious places, and so I want to say thank you to all of your service.

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really, I know what it means to have that dedication and to get out there and work in some really, really

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austere environments.

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They just want to say thank you.

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It's been my honor, not only do I get to meet and work with some incredible people in the

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concert court, which is the largest concert court, outside of New York and D.C., my office, we cover

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West Virginia and Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, we have 400 foreign missions.

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the international community that space here is incredible and it's growing and so I'm

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glad that I could be here to support not only all of our partners but the local

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community as I say we need to connect, create and contribute and definitely get back

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to communities. So thank you so much. It is my honor. I'm also retiring. I want to

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say home and Florida for a little while. So thank you very much. Really a pleasure.

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Thank you. Thank you guys. Yeah you see they're excited too. So now we have a special presentation

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and certificate to present all of our gober. Do you want to help me out with one of these?

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You want to hold on and see the other one. All right. So as commissioner and on behalf of the

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mayor to my left and the board of county commissioners and the residents of Miami,

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day counting nearly what? 2.8 million plus or minus? I say great pleasure in presenting

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this certificate of appreciation to you in recognition of your valuable contributions

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to our community and wish you the best, as you mark the end of your tenure with the Miami

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date considercors, Shannon Eisenhower. Congratulations. You want to present to me? I'm

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this certificate of appreciation is presented to the Honorable Sylvia. It says the Rato,

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the General Council General for Canada.

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In Miami, congratulations and thank you for your service.

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Alright, let's take the chatter to the side.

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May you?

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All right, guys, we have our second presentation that day.

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I think we're last, right?

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All right, we have two today.

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So now for our second presentation, we have our...

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Why are you so bossy?

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I was going to say something.

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Yeah, I was going to say something regarding the disease.

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This is the Congress live for, like, he's already, you know, this is actually always

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him.

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All right.

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So today we probably recognize, can we, quite down, please, to hear we probably recognize

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the extraordinary courage, professionalism, selfless service of Miami-Dade, fire rescues

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urban search and rescue team, Florida Task Force 1.

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Thank you for being here.

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I want to first thank all of my colleagues for being here this morning for this special

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presentation, but specifically those that co-sponsored it with me, commissioner Bermuda, Gonzales,

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Lopez, and Steinberg so far, there's more coming, but for joining me as co-sponsors of

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the special presentation honoring the brave members of Florida's Task Force One. Following the

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devastating earthquakes that struck Venezuela in June, Florida Task Force One answered the

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of serve. At the request of the US Department of State, the team deployed an 80 member task force,

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there's not 80 here today though, but there's a lot. Including six K9 search teams and specialists

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in search and rescue, medical hazardous materials, logistics, and structural engineering. Are these

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some of the day all go? Nice. All six of them. Over. There was eight days that you guys were there.

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So, over eight days, they worked alongside rescue teams from across the United States and more than 50 countries, conducting life-saving search and rescue operations and bringing hope to communities affected by this tragedy.

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And their dedication and compassion earned international recognition, including the heroes of Venezuela and metal, awarded on behalf of the Venezuelan people in gratitude for their exemplary service.

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And today we probably honor Chief Brandon Webb, you could come on up with us and every member of Florida Task Force 1 for representing Miami-Dade County with courage, excellence and an unwavering commitment to saving lives.

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I want to call you guys all up in a second, so don't worry, we'll send next to me, my man.

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At this time, I would like to turn our attention to the video being played above me for a short clip on this mission.

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Thank you.

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So I imagine the stories, and I hope you share some of that with us when you speak here in just a few minutes, chief web,

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but I imagine being over there was probably the most emotional portion of this, but this, the last clip kind of getting you guys back home, I think to me is what really gets us. So glad to have you guys back home. I want my colleagues to say a few words, and then we'll do the official presentation and have your colleagues come up as well. Commissioner Lopez, you want to read.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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So some of you know that I was the budget chair in the Florida House when it came time to

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fund you and it was touching go to the very last minute and I never gave up because I know

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the importance of your work.

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And so in the final moments of that budget conference, we were able to get you $4.8 million

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to do what you do best and it was the greatest honor and privilege to be able to have my

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hand and fingerprints on that.

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So just want to tell you, it's for that very reason that we all support you and I am moved

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by seeing you in action because oftentimes, you know, we're funding things, we don't know

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what we're funding and what you do.

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You proved to everyone your worth every penny and so much more.

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Thank you so much for your service.

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Oftentimes we don't think about the value, the importance and the sacrifices that you have

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to make, to do this work.

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And then watching the clips and then watching you

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getting ready to report and knowing

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that your father's mothers, you living everything behind

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to help those you need.

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So we cannot thank you enough

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because you are ambassadors when you out there

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doing God's work, you are ambassadors.

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So it's just enough for us to say thank you.

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Thank you for your sacrifices.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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My colleague said, thank you so much.

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You and your families for the sacrifices and also our friends here.

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Thank you very much.

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You were the best representation of Miami-Dade County.

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Miami-Dade County has always been there.

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How many of you have been around the world?

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It's not just been as well.

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I happen to represent a district that has the most number of them.

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It's probably Miami-Dade County.

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And we are very thankful.

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And I know a lot of the residents are very thankful.

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We're having an immediate present, but you are the best ambassadors of us many times.

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The elected officials get the picture and that.

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But there's many people to make this county what it is.

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You're a problem.

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We, the best representation of what this county is. As my colleague said, you are not only ambassadors, but you are the representation of the love and the care this county has for the rest of the world whenever there's a crisis.

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And in this case, it happened with one of our sister countries in this hemisphere, which made it even a critical time more important than all.

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So had a no means time away from your families, and that's why we have to thank your families.

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And your loved ones, because it's not easy to be away for a period of time, and you probably

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saw a lot of things that many of us will never get to see.

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But I am sure that the people of Venezuela and the people of this hemisphere and all around

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the world, because you've been all around the world Turkey.

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We can talk about the places you've been, have seen the best representation of Miami-Dade

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County.

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So, thanks again.

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God bless.

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So, first and foremost, thank you.

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I know not too long ago we were here also honoring you and your courageous acts, helping

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when the call of duty you run to it.

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Unfortunately, we have these horrible disasters.

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I hope not to be recognizing you next year, because every time we do, we know it's because

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you put yourselves out there in the most harrowing of circumstances, and we thank you so

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much, there's not many words that we could say because what you experience is something that

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some of us, you know, it's like I said, the last time, things of nightmares sometimes.

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And so I just want to make sure that if you all ever need anything, you let us know as

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well because we want to be here for you just like you are there for everybody else.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I'll reiterate what my colleague said, listen, you all are, you're what American

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exceptionalism actually looks like when folks really need us. When folks really need us,

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you're in Amber Hope, a flicker of light to someone who's trapped under something. To someone

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who's just needs something to hang on to someone to pull them out back into a world that might

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not be perfect, but it's a world of living. What you do is exceptional, you leave your homes and

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your family, you put yourselves at risk, you go into situations that we could never imagine.

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And you do it in the name of the county, all of the great residents, but you do it in

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the name of this country.

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So to those folks that you save and you help, you are America and you represent us well.

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Thank you all very much.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair for sponsoring this very important presentation.

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There is really no way to thank you all, what you do is selfless.

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you deploy every single day to serve our community and as they say when folks are running away from an emergency and from danger you all are running towards it.

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So there's no way to thank you for what you do.

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And to thank your families for the sacrifices that they do every single day to allow you to serve our county and save our residents and keep us safe.

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So thank you for for serving in this way. Thank you for going over to Venezuela during this tragedy and thank you for serving our community in Miami.

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county so I'm happy thank you so much.

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I want to thank the chair for putting this together.

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Guys, we're recognizing you today,

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but I know that you don't do it for the recognition

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because you're built different. You represent the best part of humanity.

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After Jesus is ascended into heaven, the disciples are left here, right? And then you have Peter and

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on, that they're walking towards Pentecost, and they're walking, and they see A.V., disabled

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beggar, and the guys literally sitting in front of the temple, asking for money, and then

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Peter looks at him, and he says, money I don't have to give you, but I will give you

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everything I have in the name of my Lord Jesus Christ.

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and he tells them to get up and walk and the guy jumps up and he sprints into the temple

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and he talks about the great things that Peter through Jesus did for him.

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Why do I bring up a story of Peter?

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Because you guys give everything you have every single day.

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And it's not even you.

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It's a talent that God gave you.

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It's a vibe.

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It's a heart.

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You're willing to lay it down every single day, and it doesn't matter whether it's for folks in Venezuela, residents in Miami-Dade County, New York, Chicago, you do it for humankind.

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That's how you're built. And that's the example you're always setting. And for that we will always thank you. And this is one of many awards that you're probably going to get in your careers and in your life.

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But you have to sometimes sit back and accept those accolades because we appreciate you and love you so much. Thank you. Mr. Chair.

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Hold it just a second, we're going to hear, we're going to hear from our mayor, then Chief

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Chadala, Chief Web, do the presentation and call everybody up as well.

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Madam Mayor.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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And thank you so much for making the time for this very important tribute.

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I was eight months into my first term as mayor when I saw you in action at Surfside.

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I will never ever forget that is when I realized this is not a job, this is a calling.

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Being a firefighter, of course, are very respected so many want to join the ranks on top of that to be our Florida Task Force 1

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and to stand up and help without cease when disaster strikes, that's who you are.

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It's in your bones, it's in your blood.

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And as I said then, and I saw it in Venezuela and the clips,

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we have to tear you off the piles

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because you're so motivated to do everything in your power,

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to help with the rescue, with recovery,

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with providing hope to those who were in a moment

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of a total despair.

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I know this job was not easy, but you wanted it, you saw it.

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We work together with our State Department to make sure you could be among the very first

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to go on behalf of our nation, to help our neighbors.

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You do this work not just for those of us here at home, but around the world, as has been said.

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This tragedy is beyond any imaginable.

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We're up to over 5,000 identified as lost and still so many missing.

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And what did they say?

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10,000 surf sites was a quote that I saw.

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So we know that it affects you as well.

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And we are here for you.

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I am proud that you have a great chief,

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who is not a part of Usar.

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He was, he is, okay.

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But he, sorry about that.

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Okay, but you know, he's not jumping out of the plains anymore.

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But he is leading with that same passion, that same integrity, that same dedication to never

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give up while we need to fight the fight.

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And also for those of you who served fighting the fires in Everglades, which I know was a

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good number of you, that was another disaster that you tackled with the same verse and success.

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So God bless you all, thank you, thank you, thank you, on behalf of all of us, and we're

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going to give it to our chief, Chadala.

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You are Task Force 1, Florida.

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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.

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The great crowd here.

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First and foremost, Madam Mayor, Mr. Chairman,

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members of the Great Commission.

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Thank you for the recognition of Miami-Dade Fire Rescue

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Reserve in Search and Rescue Team.

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And Commissioner, you said it best.

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We don't do this job for the recognition for the accolades,

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but for today, the 80 members.

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And I know that it's just a fraction here today,

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but the 80 members of Florida Task Force 1 and the 6k9s that did respond.

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Another round of applause because day in, day out for 24 hours for 8k,

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they did respond, certain rescue operations.

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Yes, Madam Mayor, I didn't get deployed on this one.

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There was this little thing called FIFA going on that I had to stick around to make sure,

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yeah, just a little thing.

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But what I do want to mention is for 41 years my mid-day fire rescue has been

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entering the call for urban search and rescue 41 years that we have been

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responding to local state nationally and international disasters man-made and

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of course you know the natural disasters this one is a special one for us we we

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question to go to Venezuela because we have so many Venezuelan members of this community.

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We asked to get deployed. They gave us the green light and while the members of Florida Task Force

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one were out there conducting search and rescue operations, conducting structural engineering

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of the buildings that had collapsed, rendering medical care to those that were in

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adjourned. Here, while they were abroad, here locally, we were assisting with the warehouses, with the logistics

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and getting the goods that were necessary to get to Venezuela. So with that, I want to say a job

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will done. Keep your heads up high and to the members of our great commission, Madam Mayor, thank you for

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championing public safety, but specifically, Miami-Dade Fire Rescue. Thank you.

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All right, thank you, Chief, for that. I'm going to go ahead and present the official

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This is the Proclamation of Chief Web, on behalf of all of you guys, all of us, to you guys, and then

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Chief Web, we're going to want to hear from you a couple of words.

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I know you have a lot to say, but I'm not saying with you.

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Be it resolved that on behalf of the mayor, Daniel Levingkava, myself as Chairman of the Board,

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Anthony Rodriguez, and the members of the Board of County Commissioners, and on behalf of

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Miami Day County, and it's plus or minus 2.8 million residents.

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We do here by proclaim, today it's usually July 21st, 2026, as Miami-Dade Fire Rescue's urban search and rescue team, Florida Task Force one day. Congratulations, Chief.

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Good morning.

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So, humbly, I would describe you this group as humble servants and myself among them.

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very humble and very proud to represent all of all of the folks that are here today.

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And we recognize that a lot of people would go out and do what we do and many would not.

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But it is a matter of pride and privilege that we get to go out and represent all of you.

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And the citizens of the United States in trying to alleviate human suffering wherever we can.

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Many times we're asked, why do we go to other cities around the US, why do we go outside of the country to assist other people when our job is here?

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And the reason for that is that we develop the knowledge skills and abilities and the comfort level at other people's disasters that we bring back to Miami-Day County and I would challenge

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That if we were to have a disaster here that this group of people have seen and done things outside of the community,

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we can manage just about anything here, comfortably on behalf of the citizens of my meeting county.

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So with that, I want to thank Chief Jadala, Chief Palmer, Madam Mayor, the chair, all of the elected officials

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for continuing to allow us to do what we do because we're proud to represent and we're proud to

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to go out and do it.

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So thank you very much.

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All right.

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Let's do one photo with the folks up here and then I would like to get, I know it's a

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couple of people.

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We're going to try to get all of you guys in the photo as well.

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Let's do one first with these folks.

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Where's a goffery?

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All right.

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There you go.

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All right.

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Goffery from now on.

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You're in charge.

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So you let us know where to stand.

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Okay,

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shuffle this one.

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Yes, perfect.

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All right, beat five, beat five.

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Let's go right here.

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Beat five, go ahead and tune.

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All right.

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All right.

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All right.

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That's for some one.

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You guys want to come up here and pull it up.

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All right.

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All right.

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Here we go.

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Here we go.

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You got to get started.

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You got to get started.

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You got to start.

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You got to start.

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You got to start.

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You got to start.

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I think I have a group of staff back on the group, because I have back in the middle of

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that group.

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No, I'm surprised.

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No, I'm surprised.

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That's it.

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Everyone else in the gap to the gap?

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No, that's it.

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No, that's it.

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Yeah, we're on the back.

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Yeah, we're on the back.

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Yeah, we're on the back.

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No.

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No.

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It's the same.

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I don't know.

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This is the same.

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It's the same.

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Madam Mayor,

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airport, seepor, Adrian,

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all right, let's take a seat guys, let's get this show on the road.

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All right, thank you all. If we can please, as quietly as possible, stand for the invocation given this morning by Father Manuel Rameh, of our Lady of Lebanon, Maranite Catholic Church Miami at the invitation of Commissioner Lopez, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance by Commissioner Lopez.

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Mr. Chairman, Board of Commissioners, thank you for the invitation, especially your

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01:33:46,100 --> 01:33:51,980
Honor Commissioner Lopez. I thought that Commissioner Gonzalez took my place today. But

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you did good. Let us pray, Almighty God, source of always them and justice. We thank you for the gift

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of this day and for the opportunity to serve our community. We ask you to bless the members of this

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With wisdom and their deliberations, integrity and their decisions, courage to pursue what is right and compassion for every person whose life is affected by their work.

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Help us to remember that every person possesses inherent dignity and deserves to be treated with respect and fairness.

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May our differences become opportunities for dialogue, our challenges become occasions for

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01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:40,800
cooperation, and our shared responsibilities lead to the flourishing of all who called

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01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:42,440
this county home.

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01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:49,620
Grand Peace on our neighbours and our neighbourhoods strength to those who serve the public, comfort

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01:34:49,620 --> 01:34:55,740
to those who suffer and hope to all who seek a better future when trust this meeting to

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01:34:55,740 --> 01:34:59,980
loving care and ask the everything set and done today.

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We contribute to the coming good. We bless you our Lord Jesus Christ now and forever. Amen.

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All right, you all may be seated.

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All right, please find the seat if you're in the back. There should be no

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01:35:35,170 --> 01:35:43,010
one standing up in the back unless you're media or sergeant at arms or law enforcement. All right.

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01:35:43,230 --> 01:35:50,460
Madam attorney. Good morning all. We have a what appears to be a lengthy meeting today.

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01:35:51,700 --> 01:35:54,720
So let's keep that in mind as we move the meeting forward.

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01:35:55,020 --> 01:35:59,560
Madam attorney is it in order for me to move into a reason of opportunity for the public to be heard at this time?

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01:36:00,100 --> 01:36:01,320
Good morning, yes.

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01:36:01,900 --> 01:36:02,360
All right.

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01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:05,760
I'm going to go ahead and open up a reason of opportunity for the public to be heard.

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01:36:07,940 --> 01:36:08,800
Do I do roll call already?

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I did not.

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01:36:10,500 --> 01:36:10,760
Wow.

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01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:11,980
I'm that fast.

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01:36:12,140 --> 01:36:13,240
I'm trying to get this.

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01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:13,460
Shall we?

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Let's do roll call.

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Good morning to all.

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The clerk's office has been notified that commissioner Hardeman will be absent from today.

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01:36:21,850 --> 01:36:29,010
meeting. Commissioner Bastien. Commissioner Bramures. Commissioner Cone Higgins. Good morning

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01:36:29,010 --> 01:36:37,330
President. Senator Garcia. Commissioner Gilbert. Commissioner Gonzalez. Commissioner Lopez.

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01:36:38,710 --> 01:36:46,340
Commissioner Miliano Orbis. Commissioner Regalado. Commissioner Steinberg. Vice Chairman McGee.

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01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:51,670
Chairman Rodriguez. We have nine members present. We have a quorum.

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01:36:52,430 --> 01:36:58,090
All right, so now, a reason for the public to be heard is open, I will call your name,

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01:36:58,390 --> 01:37:02,570
please state the item you're speaking on, your name and address, and you will have one minute to speak,

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01:37:02,690 --> 01:37:05,370
as we have a fairly long list of speakers.

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01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:07,310
And I have,

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we are trying to get people, if some of us are trying to skip the line of reasonable opportunity,

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01:37:20,060 --> 01:37:21,340
we're not going to do that right now.

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01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:28,120
So, first up, I have Commissioner Ralph Rosado right here.

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01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:34,800
I'm going to call a few of you guys and just please line up on inside of the center rows and I'll turn

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01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,000
approach the well. I have Sergei Kelly

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01:37:39,480 --> 01:37:40,920
Miles Davis

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Mary Ekins Durand Peter Rabino

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01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:46,800
Ilionor

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Ilionor Quigli

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John Elizabeth Aleman

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01:37:52,020 --> 01:38:00,900
Laura Reynolds, Fernando Gravedo, Desa Juan F. Asetuno, William Rathbund, Elio Lopez-Mino.

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Commissioner. Good morning. Good morning. Mr. Chairman Commissioners, and Madam Mayor.

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My name is Rafael Zato, and I have the Fortune of Representing District for the City of Miami,

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which includes close to one mile of Lodham Trail. I'm here today to thank Commissioner Melion Orbis,

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and Mayor Living Kaba for sponsoring item 14 A3,

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which involves the selection of a design firm

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01:38:22,260 --> 01:38:23,580
to get the building built.

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01:38:24,380 --> 01:38:26,120
This project is something that's been a dream

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01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:27,920
of many people for many years.

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01:38:28,060 --> 01:38:29,680
I'm excited to see this moving forward.

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01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,000
At the city, we are doing our part.

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We are approving this version on second reading

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and item that incentivizes developers,

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01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:38,580
building within walking distance of Ludum Trail

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01:38:38,580 --> 01:38:40,280
and our other trails within the city

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to contribute dollars for construction and maintenance.

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01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:46,040
More importantly, today I am personally committing

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01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:51,120
on behalf of the city and the development community within the Luddom Trail corridor area

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01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:57,160
that we will match your county state and federal dollars to the project with city and private dollars

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01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:02,920
so we can get Luddom Hilt. I urge you to vote on 14 A3. Let's get it done.

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01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:05,780
Thank you Commissioner.

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01:39:07,220 --> 01:39:13,900
Anyone that registered to speak but doesn't necessarily need to anymore is feel free to just wave and support or whatnot.

523
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:24,480
I want to urge you guys today to vote against the Kelli tractor development in the Everglades,

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01:39:24,700 --> 01:39:28,880
historical Everglades, function Everglades that would also nullify the urban development

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01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:33,960
boundary, something that protects thousands of acres of Everglades, farmland, there's homes

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01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:39,080
that Miami, rural communities, crops, all of this stuff would be threatened by allowing

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01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:43,440
Kelly tractor to be one of the initial ones to build in the Everglades.

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01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:45,000
It is a huge problem.

529
01:39:45,300 --> 01:39:49,000
We know you guys have gotten money through packs related to Kelly tractor.

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01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:51,080
We urge you to vote against it.

531
01:39:51,220 --> 01:39:55,960
There's plenty of land within the urban designation of Miami and homestead in this whole area.

532
01:39:56,820 --> 01:39:59,980
The Gators, Herons, Manatees, the Wildlife of the...

533
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:05,060
The Board should not be impeded by another development that has further stressed the urban

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01:40:05,060 --> 01:40:10,200
development boundary, which is something that the voters passed, that the people support, obviously

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01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:14,780
wild Florida support, as well, and it should not be impeded for the sake of one company to

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01:40:14,780 --> 01:40:19,080
begin a title wave of development that will be followed by other companies either by

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01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:25,000
direct lawsuit or your invitation once again. Please vote against Kelly Traktor's Everglades

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01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:33,040
development. Thank you. Thank you, sir. All right, John. Good morning. Good morning, chairman,

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01:40:33,500 --> 01:40:40,420
Madam Mayor, commissioners. My name is John Alamon with Jacobs. I'm here on item 14B1. Jacobs

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01:40:40,420 --> 01:40:46,440
has had the privilege of serving Miami-Dade Water and Sour Department for nearly 50 years. Since 2014,

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01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:52,460
we've served as your owner's rep and program manager for Ocean Outfall. I'm here today with representatives

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01:40:52,460 --> 01:40:56,740
of the broader engineering, construction, and small business community that helps deliver

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01:40:56,740 --> 01:41:00,320
was these critical infrastructure program. And I ask them to please stand.

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01:41:01,980 --> 01:41:07,280
Thank you. We appreciate that rate decisions are difficult. Every year this board balances

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01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:12,640
affordability with the responsibility to maintain critical systems that residents, businesses,

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01:41:12,820 --> 01:41:18,780
visitors, and future development all depend on. Reliable water and wastewater services you know

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01:41:18,780 --> 01:41:25,100
essential to protect public health, protect the bay, housing, growth, and the daily quality

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01:41:25,100 --> 01:41:27,020
of life for every person in Miami-Dade County.

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01:41:27,980 --> 01:41:31,940
Miami-Dade is advancing one of the largest water and wastewater capital programs in Florida.

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01:41:32,820 --> 01:41:37,580
While that program does support engineering, construction, suppliers, small businesses and

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01:41:37,580 --> 01:41:42,600
a skilled workforce in South Florida, more importantly, it keeps critical projects moving

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01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:44,180
before they become emergencies.

553
01:41:44,700 --> 01:41:45,280
Thank you, John.

554
01:41:46,440 --> 01:41:46,580
Thank you.

555
01:41:46,580 --> 01:41:46,780
All right.

556
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:47,080
Sorry.

557
01:41:49,420 --> 01:41:54,480
Good morning, my name is Peter Rubino, and I represent Friends of Levelin Trail, a community

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01:41:54,480 --> 01:42:00,360
group advocating for a rail to trail, linear park on the abandoned railway property. The property

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01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:07,240
is 100 feet wide by 5.6 miles running from day-tran to Miami International Airport. We have the

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01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:13,380
opportunity to turn over 70 acres of fenced off green space into an iconic linear greenway

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01:42:13,380 --> 01:42:18,060
in the heart of Miami. I ask that you pass the resolution of proving the contract for professional

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01:42:18,060 --> 01:42:23,600
services with clearly horn and associates. At first, I thought the budget was very

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01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:28,660
high for this project. But then I read the entire resolution. This five year professional

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01:42:28,660 --> 01:42:34,220
services agreement covers design, permitting, bidding assistance and construction oversight.

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01:42:34,900 --> 01:42:39,700
This is a comprehensive design through construction administration, contract and substantial

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01:42:39,700 --> 01:42:43,920
project management duties. Expectations are high and friends of

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LeBham Trail will keep the vendor accountable. This is a huge opportunity for

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01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:52,240
Miami to get this right. LeBham Trail will connect neighborhoods with five

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01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:56,000
schools, three parks adjacent to the trail and it terminates in the South

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01:42:56,000 --> 01:43:00,920
where it meets the underlying at Daydland, North, Metro Rail Station. And when

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01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:06,140
completed, LeBham Trail will connect more than 34,000 residents that live on

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01:43:06,140 --> 01:43:11,480
near the trail. It will be a world-class, I guess, linear park. Thank you.

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01:43:12,820 --> 01:43:19,600
Laura Reynolds, 6820 Southwest 64th Court, South Miami, with the whole Malayan Coalition

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01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:26,360
and Friends of Biscayne Bay. A lot of items to talk about in just a minute, but we applaud

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01:43:26,360 --> 01:43:34,180
the effort on 11A11 Commissioner Regalotto and anyone who has co-sponsored that item. We have

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to close the text amendment loophole because we can't let developers write their own rules.

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01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:45,240
Our CDNP is really important and the task force amendments that are coming from the task

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01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:47,520
force will strengthen our CDNP.

579
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:50,240
We are still opposed to 7D.

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01:43:50,580 --> 01:43:52,240
The Kelly tractor project.

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01:43:52,540 --> 01:43:57,380
We're talking about the largest proposed wetland destruction in 30 years.

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01:43:57,840 --> 01:43:59,280
This can't be taken lightly.

583
01:43:59,860 --> 01:44:02,620
And frankly, that it's gotten as far as concerning.

584
01:44:02,620 --> 01:44:09,860
we should absolutely be passing rules to strengthen our wetlands to study our wetlands just

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01:44:09,860 --> 01:44:15,720
like we did for agriculture to see how many we need to perform those ecosystem services moving

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01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:21,340
forward. Now the watershed advisory board did look at this. They proposed to pass some of those items

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01:44:21,340 --> 01:44:28,500
and I urge you today to not take this wetland destruction lightly vote no on 70, yes on 11,

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01:44:28,500 --> 01:44:31,500
a 11, and yet some is 6% increase.

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01:44:34,460 --> 01:44:35,180
Good morning.

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01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:39,260
My name is Mary Akins Durand, and I'm here today on behalf of Equality Florida in support

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01:44:39,260 --> 01:44:44,420
of Commissioner Lopez's Motion 6B1 to seek clarification on Florida's new anti-diversity

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01:44:44,420 --> 01:44:45,740
and local government law.

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01:44:46,140 --> 01:44:50,040
This law hasn't even taken effect yet, but it's already changing decisions in city halls

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01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:51,780
and county commissions across our state.

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01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:56,620
Local governments are questioning long-standing programs, partnerships, and community investments.

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01:44:56,620 --> 01:44:59,980
Not because they've been told those things must end, but because they are unsh-

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01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:09,300
We've already seen proposed cuts affecting organizations serving black, Hispanic, Asian, and LGBTQ Floridians, reversed.

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After it became clear that those cuts were not required by law. That's why getting answers now matters.

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01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:18,080
No community should lose something valuable because the law was left unclear.

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01:45:18,620 --> 01:45:25,700
Miami-Dade has an opportunity to take a responsible step by asking the courts for guidance before decisions are made without a clear understanding of the law.

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01:45:25,700 --> 01:45:30,360
This will help local leaders know what is required, understand the authority they still have,

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01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:32,300
and continue serving their residents effectively.

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01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:36,680
Miami data has always been strengthened by the many communities that call this county home.

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01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:42,500
Our cultural traditions, community partnerships, and local organizations help make this one of the most vibrant places in the country.

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01:45:43,100 --> 01:45:46,240
Before programs, partnerships, or community traditions are changed,

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01:45:46,700 --> 01:45:50,820
residents deserve confidence that those decisions are based in what the law actually says.

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01:45:50,820 --> 01:45:55,720
When the consequences are real and important legal questions remain unanswered, seeking clarity

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01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:57,060
is responsible leadership.

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01:45:57,860 --> 01:46:01,320
Miami-Dade has the opportunity to lead by asking for that clarity now.

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01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,340
We respectfully ask you to support Commissioner Lopez's motion.

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01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:05,120
Thank you.

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01:46:05,220 --> 01:46:06,580
Thank you so much, sir.

613
01:46:07,460 --> 01:46:09,000
Good morning, chair and commissioners.

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01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:12,140
I'm here to speak on item 6B1 by Commissioner Lopez.

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01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:13,360
My name is Miles Davis.

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01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:18,260
I serve as Director of Advocacy and Communications at SAVE, South Florida's leading organization

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01:46:18,260 --> 01:46:23,420
dedicated to protecting LGBTQ plus people. I want to thank Commissioner Lopez for bringing this

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01:46:23,420 --> 01:46:29,740
issue forward for discussion. Senate Bill 1134 creates uncertainty about how Miami-Dade may continue

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01:46:29,740 --> 01:46:34,740
operating programs, partnerships, contracts, advisory boards, and public initiatives that serve

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01:46:34,740 --> 01:46:39,980
residents across this county. The county should not rush to eliminate law for work simply because

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01:46:39,980 --> 01:46:45,320
the statute is broad or unclear. Doing so could disrupt services, waste taxpayer investments,

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01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:47,720
and Weekend Longstanding Community Partnerships.

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01:46:48,180 --> 01:46:52,700
We urge the Commission to direct the administration and county attorney to conduct a comprehensive

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01:46:52,700 --> 01:46:57,940
review, identify what can legally be preserved, and communicate clearly what affected residents

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01:46:57,940 --> 01:47:01,980
and organizations may experience before any changes are made.

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01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:07,120
The county should also seek judicial clarifications, so decisions are based on the law's actual

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01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:09,740
requirements, and not fear or speculation.

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A careful transparent approach always protects taxpayers and strengthens local control and most importantly will allow Miami Day to continue serving all residents within the law.

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We thank Commissioner Lopez for bringing this forward, and we thank you all for your service to the county.

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01:47:24,060 --> 01:47:24,990
Thank you, sir.

631
01:47:26,100 --> 01:47:27,180
Good morning.

632
01:47:27,180 --> 01:47:27,340
Good morning.

633
01:47:27,480 --> 01:47:28,200
Juan, I say tuna.

634
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:31,100
I'm hearing support of item 14B1.

635
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:37,660
Holding rates, flat today may appear to help residents, but the unintended consequence will be far higher cost later.

636
01:47:37,660 --> 01:47:40,460
Shoting down the same projects is not free.

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01:47:40,740 --> 01:47:46,560
Major cost escalations, regulatory penalties, development, moratoriums, and unpredictability

638
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:50,060
services that Miami-Dade families and businesses depend on every day.

639
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:54,820
Canceling projects in construction creates claims, shut down on the commissioning costs,

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01:47:55,340 --> 01:47:59,600
stranded assets, and lost value from work, the county has already paid to advance.

641
01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:04,800
Projects in design that are put on hold will cause more in the future, not just higher

642
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:11,120
construction cost but added design costs as firms verify and redesign or worse if contracts expire

643
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:17,700
and new designers start from scratch. The real threat to long-term affordability is not this

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01:48:17,700 --> 01:48:24,500
modest rate adjustment. It is the consequence of underfunding the system today. We respectfully urge

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01:48:24,500 --> 01:48:29,920
the commission to approve the rate adjustment and keep this critical capital program moving forward.

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01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:35,200
The investment today protects the affordability of water and sewer in the future.

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01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:36,080
Thank you.

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01:48:37,080 --> 01:48:38,040
Thank you.

649
01:48:39,820 --> 01:48:40,740
Good morning.

650
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:43,920
Chair and commissioners, my name is Ali Quigley.

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01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:50,320
To all the commissioners here today and those who proceed to do thank you for the vision and dedication that you made to the underlying

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01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:52,060
Making it a reality.

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01:48:52,900 --> 01:48:57,600
You created a space that brings people together while providing a safe and healthy way to move through the city.

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01:48:57,860 --> 01:48:58,900
Thank you for that achievement.

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01:48:58,900 --> 01:49:03,080
I hope that the Ledlem Trail will receive the same commitment and attention for the residents

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01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:05,300
and visitors of Miami, Dave County.

657
01:49:05,580 --> 01:49:10,760
The Ledlem Trail will be an important transportation corridor, connecting people to bus routes

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01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:15,760
at the Nudes, it's sunset, Miller, Bird, Coralway, Age Street Flagler, Northwest 7 while

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01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:20,680
providing access to the metro rail, at Daydland, North Station, and the underlying.

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01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:25,880
It will connect communities, students, shoppers, workers, and visitors to, with safer and

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01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:27,680
more convenient transportation options.

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01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:34,020
The trail will also serve many important community destinations at every node, including

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01:49:34,020 --> 01:49:38,260
Daydland Mall, Daydland North, South Miami, Lutheran preschool, South Miami Elementary

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01:49:38,260 --> 01:49:43,320
K to 8th Center, South Miami Middle School, Magnet, South Miami, Senior High, 80 Doug Barnes

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01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:47,740
Park for this to the rescue park, Crawl Terrace Elementary, Robert King High Park, Miami,

666
01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:50,500
Airport Convention Center and Merchandice Mark.

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01:49:50,700 --> 01:49:51,520
Thank you so much.

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01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:52,640
Appreciate it.

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01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:59,980
All right, did William Rathbone, Elio Lopez?

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01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:00,900
As we know,

671
01:50:03,420 --> 01:50:30,220
Fernando Graveiro de Sao, and then they're waving. Okay. And then everyone else that I'm going to call is here for the same item for the Wasti Report, 14-B-1, and it all says four, so favor. If you want to wave, you're welcome to. I have Nivado Soriya, Michael Perez, Michael Perez, is that you coming down, Michael?

672
01:50:30,220 --> 01:50:41,260
All right, Sebastian Alvarez, Sebastian Alvarez, all right, I got you waving Joshua Reyes,

673
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:46,940
waving Julian Becker,

674
01:50:49,420 --> 01:50:51,220
my blowing Julian,

675
01:50:53,420 --> 01:50:56,540
Valery Donette, Valery Donets,

676
01:50:59,340 --> 01:51:00,480
and NATO Fernandez,

677
01:51:00,480 --> 01:51:07,060
All right, waving, Damien de Jesus, Damien de Jesus,

678
01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:10,320
Joseph roga,

679
01:51:12,350 --> 01:51:16,390
Joseph roga, Cardinal

680
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:23,990
a Phonso, Cardinal a Phonso, Juan Rojas, a lot of people are stuck downstairs.

681
01:51:24,770 --> 01:51:28,930
That's, now they need to have been here earlier, Laura, thank you for that, though, appreciate

682
01:51:28,930 --> 01:51:34,890
public service announcement. Juan Rojas. Juan Rojas.

683
01:51:38,180 --> 01:51:43,480
Nekolo Zano. Nekolo Zano. Luis

684
01:51:43,480 --> 01:51:44,080
Suarez.

685
01:51:46,980 --> 01:51:47,760
Evelyn Rodriguez.

686
01:51:51,590 --> 01:51:59,680
Maria Molina. Maria, thank you. Artura Burbano. Okay, and again,

687
01:51:59,880 --> 01:52:05,620
just to make sure all of you guys are waving in support of the report, the Wastie report, is what I have.

688
01:52:05,620 --> 01:52:07,440
14 B1.

689
01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:08,920
Pedro Kiddos.

690
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:12,540
Pedro, all right, thank you.

691
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:13,980
And Rick Tavades.

692
01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:15,940
Rick, thank you.

693
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:18,920
All right, those are all the public speakers I have

694
01:52:19,660 --> 01:52:22,160
for reasonable opportunity registered.

695
01:52:22,380 --> 01:52:25,200
Is there anyone that just walked upstairs from downstairs?

696
01:52:26,680 --> 01:52:27,620
That signed up to speak.

697
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:29,880
I see a couple of people walking in.

698
01:52:29,980 --> 01:52:31,860
Is anyone registered to speak in reason of opportunity?

699
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:34,800
I want to make sure I get you before I close out?

700
01:52:36,850 --> 01:52:37,050
No.

701
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:39,250
All right.

702
01:52:40,370 --> 01:52:45,440
there's a gentleman, you could come up, come on up.

703
01:52:47,660 --> 01:52:48,580
Through the chair.

704
01:52:48,780 --> 01:52:49,380
Madam Mayor.

705
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:53,640
Apparently Councilman Kevin Burns is here that was signed up to speak.

706
01:52:53,900 --> 01:52:56,100
So I just want to make sure you're aware he's here from Northman.

707
01:52:56,100 --> 01:52:59,460
But is he signed up to speak on public hearing or a reasonable opportunity?

708
01:53:00,260 --> 01:53:00,840
Which item?

709
01:53:04,050 --> 01:53:05,170
reasonable opportunity he said.

710
01:53:05,190 --> 01:53:08,410
Okay, then you could approach the podium as well.

711
01:53:08,710 --> 01:53:10,230
Approach the approach a well.

712
01:53:11,470 --> 01:53:12,550
You both can, there's two wells.

713
01:53:12,770 --> 01:53:13,750
You both can approach the wells.

714
01:53:14,550 --> 01:53:17,870
I mean, don't, I'll rush at the same time.

715
01:53:18,290 --> 01:53:18,470
I'll see.

716
01:53:18,730 --> 01:53:19,270
Go ahead.

717
01:53:19,530 --> 01:53:20,390
You're up.

718
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:23,430
Good morning, Madam Mayor and commissioners.

719
01:53:23,810 --> 01:53:27,270
It's great to see a lot of you here today.

720
01:53:28,130 --> 01:53:29,310
I don't very often come down here.

721
01:53:29,370 --> 01:53:33,010
My name's Kevin Burns, Councilman with the City of North Miami, former Mayor.

722
01:53:33,710 --> 01:53:38,870
I'm here today to support Commissioner Lopez's recommendation for a

723
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:46,850
the Clareatory Judicial Review of the diversity bill, I'll just say that item.

724
01:53:47,610 --> 01:53:51,530
As somebody who spent four or five weeks in Tallahassee going to the hearings, both in

725
01:53:51,530 --> 01:53:57,830
the House and the Senate, and listening to the makers of this ordinance and law this

726
01:53:57,830 --> 01:54:02,190
law, not be able to answer questions of what it actually meant.

727
01:54:02,810 --> 01:54:08,810
They could not answer what they were trying to accomplish by this law and going from the

728
01:54:08,810 --> 01:54:11,450
it and over to the house back and forth.

729
01:54:12,130 --> 01:54:16,470
And you know if a bill has 24 cutouts, that is not good.

730
01:54:17,850 --> 01:54:22,930
You all add amendments to some of your things, but you've never done 24 amendments, so

731
01:54:22,930 --> 01:54:24,610
you know something is wrong.

732
01:54:25,430 --> 01:54:29,970
I've been in conference calls with city attorneys, county attorneys, all different organizations

733
01:54:29,970 --> 01:54:31,930
that are going to be affected by this.

734
01:54:32,230 --> 01:54:37,350
Nobody can get a clear answer of what you can do and can not do, and I'll tell you right

735
01:54:37,350 --> 01:54:41,970
Now I don't want to be the GettingPig as elected official to remove from office because I gave

736
01:54:41,970 --> 01:54:47,290
me a particular group of proclamation celebrating their heritage so please support her

737
01:54:47,290 --> 01:54:47,550
item.

738
01:54:47,890 --> 01:54:48,890
Thank you.

739
01:54:49,010 --> 01:54:49,270
All right.

740
01:54:49,390 --> 01:54:56,950
I got Mr. Ron McGill, if he's Ron McGill, you on the list, let's come up, come on

741
01:54:56,950 --> 01:54:57,410
up, sir.

742
01:54:59,050 --> 01:54:59,890
I knew you were retired.

743
01:55:04,940 --> 01:55:12,260
Hello, my name is Carol Cums, I'm a resident in Miami Beach, my address is 1754, Maridian, Avenue, I also work for

744
01:55:12,260 --> 01:55:18,100
Miami Beach Pride as the director of grants. So I'm actually here today in support of Commissioner

745
01:55:18,100 --> 01:55:25,200
and Vicky Lopez, I fall under District 5 and SB 1134, and I'm asking the city attorney

746
01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:32,820
to investigate a lot of, do not know what's going on with this, SB 1134, does the

747
01:55:32,820 --> 01:55:36,680
Pride Proclamation count as promoting DEI?

748
01:55:36,840 --> 01:55:41,500
Does the rainbow fly going up count as promoting DEI or is that first amendment?

749
01:55:41,500 --> 01:55:49,100
I'm here also because Mummy Beach Pied stands to lose $350,000 in grant funding, even though

750
01:55:49,100 --> 01:55:54,640
it's economic impact is more than $5 million creating hundreds and hundreds of jobs for small

751
01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:56,160
businesses in Miami Beach.

752
01:55:56,740 --> 01:56:04,540
So my ask is, please investigate, please support the KELOPACES District 5 recommendation and

753
01:56:04,540 --> 01:56:11,000
I will tell you we are brave and resilient in the LGBTQ community, the 19th edition of

754
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:17,120
which is going to happen. The family picnic is on Saturday, April 3rd. The Pride Weekend is

755
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:24,120
April 10th and 11th. Mark your dates or see you in the parade. Thank you so much Mr McGill.

756
01:56:25,400 --> 01:56:28,580
Morning, Madam Mayor, Commissioner. Thank you for your opportunity to be here. I'm here to speak

757
01:56:28,580 --> 01:56:33,240
on behalf of the flamingo. It's a state murder Florida. Listen, for years, they thought the flamingo

758
01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:37,340
was not a native bird. It wasn't until all the hard work done by conservation biologists at the

759
01:56:37,340 --> 01:56:39,580
and Audubon Florida, that FWC finally said,

760
01:56:39,620 --> 01:56:41,720
yes, it's a native bird, this and I know I got limited time,

761
01:56:41,820 --> 01:56:42,500
so here's the deal.

762
01:56:43,060 --> 01:56:46,380
The American Flamingo is more than just a beautiful bird, okay?

763
01:56:46,660 --> 01:56:50,800
It's a symbol of resilience after persecution,

764
01:56:50,900 --> 01:56:53,120
it's a symbol of hope after disappearance.

765
01:56:54,440 --> 01:56:56,620
It represents everything that Florida is.

766
01:56:57,000 --> 01:56:58,780
It represents how nature can come back

767
01:56:58,780 --> 01:57:00,940
and reclaim itself when given the opportunity.

768
01:57:01,300 --> 01:57:04,940
I can think of no other bird that better tells Florida story.

769
01:57:04,940 --> 01:57:11,800
If Florida wants to celebrate its great natural heritage, I can think of no better ambassador than the greater flamingo.

770
01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:13,560
Okay, this bird is amazing.

771
01:57:14,780 --> 01:57:20,020
It's the only, it's a species found only in Florida as a native species, nowhere else in the country.

772
01:57:20,620 --> 01:57:23,660
It's a bird that represents the resilience of Florida.

773
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:27,500
It's everything, it's just an amazing bird that's come back.

774
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:29,020
The bottom line is this folks.

775
01:57:29,460 --> 01:57:32,100
The flamingo has returned home.

776
01:57:32,100 --> 01:57:38,060
It's time for Florida to celebrate and recognize it as one of its own. Thank you very much

777
01:57:38,060 --> 01:57:39,760
Thank you around. Appreciate the enthusiasm

778
01:57:44,390 --> 01:57:49,370
Probably not gonna be as enthusiastic but yeah, give it a shot though. Oh, I'm there. I want to take it

779
01:57:49,930 --> 01:57:51,450
You'll take it. Okay

780
01:57:51,450 --> 01:57:56,810
Good morning to chairman the commissioners the mayor my name is Valeria Donance my address is 4600

781
01:57:56,810 --> 01:58:01,650
Salt West 67 Avenue, and I'm speaking to you on behalf of Biscan Bay in support of my share point of order

782
01:58:01,650 --> 01:58:08,630
If we could just have the chambers be quiet while she's speaking, I can merely hear her.

783
01:58:08,810 --> 01:58:09,330
Go ahead, Madam.

784
01:58:09,850 --> 01:58:10,230
Thank you.

785
01:58:10,670 --> 01:58:12,750
So I'm here representing Prince of this campaign.

786
01:58:12,750 --> 01:58:14,650
I'm speaking in support of item 14B1.

787
01:58:15,610 --> 01:58:19,670
We recognize that any increase in utility rates affects residents and affordability is an important

788
01:58:19,670 --> 01:58:20,250
consideration.

789
01:58:20,430 --> 01:58:24,750
But this item is ultimately about protecting clean water public health and this game bay.

790
01:58:25,090 --> 01:58:28,790
The county's own report acknowledges the past under investment in water and waste water.

791
01:58:28,790 --> 01:58:32,810
infrastructure contributed to sign as a resourceful overflow in our mental harm to

792
01:58:32,810 --> 01:58:36,230
the skin bay violations of the clean water act and ultimately defend our federal

793
01:58:36,230 --> 01:58:37,090
consent agree.

794
01:58:37,250 --> 01:58:40,310
Today, the consent agree program is a pork approximately eight and nine percent

795
01:58:40,310 --> 01:58:40,670
there.

796
01:58:41,010 --> 01:58:42,130
We're almost there.

797
01:58:42,730 --> 01:58:44,990
And it's not, it's really not the time to slow down.

798
01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:49,130
Belaying these investments does not eliminate costs and increases the likelihood of

799
01:58:49,130 --> 01:58:53,050
infrastructure failures, emergency repairs, sewage spills and even larger costs in

800
01:58:53,050 --> 01:58:53,450
the future.

801
01:58:53,970 --> 01:58:57,530
For the average residential customer, the proposed adjustment is approximately 20 cells per

802
01:58:57,530 --> 01:59:00,610
which is a low price to pay for a clean day.

803
01:59:00,770 --> 01:59:04,210
That medicine investment keeps helps protect the infrastructure that keeps

804
01:59:04,210 --> 01:59:07,890
sewage out of the skin day and supports the completion of critical waste

805
01:59:07,890 --> 01:59:11,750
water improvements. We respectfully urge you to support for ITM 14 day

806
01:59:11,750 --> 01:59:16,310
one. Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Sorry, this came.

807
01:59:16,530 --> 01:59:21,350
Was it way better get you guys up from downstairs? I know some of you. I'm going to

808
01:59:21,350 --> 01:59:25,610
obviously encourage you guys to speak, but some of you did wave in support of an item.

809
01:59:25,610 --> 01:59:31,630
So you've kind of been boozeling me here a little bit now. I see you're ready to speak, but go ahead. Have I had it?

810
01:59:31,630 --> 01:59:33,950
Is the chair a bit of water, please?

811
01:59:34,150 --> 01:59:39,510
Madam commissioner. So as people finish speaking, maybe it will be wise for them to leave.

812
01:59:39,730 --> 01:59:40,650
They are downstairs.

813
01:59:41,130 --> 01:59:45,610
They are there going to be taking back downstairs after they speak yes.

814
01:59:46,750 --> 01:59:47,750
Go ahead sir.

815
01:59:47,750 --> 01:59:58,690
Hello, I am Elio Lopez Minot. I live in 52.5612S for another avenue. I came here to speak in favor for this item, this water bill for a team B.

816
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:20,600
What are topics are a correct and responsible use of our tax funds? I have seen improvements in my city using tax funds. So I have no doubt that we are able to use these resources to improve our water quality research them, make more responsible decisions. Water quality is a paramount for our health and wellness of our current and coming generation.

817
02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:23,520
It is a human rights and something so important.

818
02:00:24,220 --> 02:00:31,500
No cooperation or private interests can thrive without prioritizing the genuine needs of our human rights, which is clean water.

819
02:00:31,560 --> 02:00:32,540
Which comes first.

820
02:00:33,020 --> 02:00:39,240
We all know that wetlands provide our freshest water source and natural filtration for our community.

821
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:48,000
And the U.S. representatives are representing the people, setting the highest moral standards, making the correct decisions for our generation.

822
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:53,700
So I hope we can make the best decision representing the people.

823
02:00:53,860 --> 02:00:55,060
So thank you so much.

824
02:00:55,240 --> 02:00:56,140
Thank you, sir.

825
02:00:56,660 --> 02:00:56,680
Sir.

826
02:00:57,940 --> 02:00:58,140
Good morning.

827
02:00:58,280 --> 02:00:59,280
My name is Navala Seria.

828
02:00:59,480 --> 02:01:02,700
I live at 869 Southwest 149 court.

829
02:01:02,820 --> 02:01:07,520
I'm here in support of the 14 B1 because I believe studies into our water quality infiltration

830
02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:09,360
are a good use of taxpayer dollars.

831
02:01:10,620 --> 02:01:13,380
Water is something essential entirely to life.

832
02:01:13,700 --> 02:01:16,360
We should be doing everything we can to preserve and multiply.

833
02:01:16,360 --> 02:01:23,980
it, especially in our coming times of AI technology. Improving and improving on with so much

834
02:01:23,980 --> 02:01:29,240
more hunger for our clean drinking water. As Tyves move on, we lose more and more of not only

835
02:01:29,240 --> 02:01:33,900
our drinking water, but also our natural occurring methods of water filtration, like our wetlands.

836
02:01:34,700 --> 02:01:39,720
That act as a part of natural water management system, they slow and store, soar water,

837
02:01:39,740 --> 02:01:46,020
allow water to integrate with soil's vegetation and microorganisms before it moves through surrounding

838
02:01:46,020 --> 02:01:51,920
hydraulic systems like the this gain aquifier also known as Southwest Florida primary source

839
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:57,120
of drinking water. Protecting the natural ability of these lands to store filter and recharge

840
02:01:57,120 --> 02:02:04,620
water is especially important to water quality and in quantity. I strongly encourage me to

841
02:02:04,620 --> 02:02:06,260
move with 14v1.

842
02:02:09,900 --> 02:02:13,720
Good morning commissioners. My name is Joshua Reyes. I live in Brickle and I

843
02:02:13,720 --> 02:02:17,840
to voice that I'm in favor for motion 14B-1.

844
02:02:18,160 --> 02:02:22,020
Stable access to clean water isn't a privilege, it's a natural human right.

845
02:02:22,620 --> 02:02:26,580
People come from all walks of life-diver chance to live here in our great city, so the least

846
02:02:26,580 --> 02:02:31,840
we can do is make sure that our most vital source for living is available to all, free from

847
02:02:31,840 --> 02:02:33,580
microplastics and other pollutants.

848
02:02:34,180 --> 02:02:38,880
Research in this topic will help consecrate the importance of our wetlands, and will prove

849
02:02:38,880 --> 02:02:44,640
that continued building past the open development boundary would be hazardous for the growing future

850
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:51,300
of Miamians. Thank you and Happy Parks and Recreation Month. Thank you. Good morning.

851
02:02:51,660 --> 02:02:57,000
Hello, Commissioners. My name is Sebastian Alvarez, 237 Southwest 13th Street and I'm here

852
02:02:57,000 --> 02:03:02,280
in support of item 14B1. I believe that studies on our water quality are very important for the

853
02:03:02,280 --> 02:03:06,500
well-being of our community and our surrounding wildlife and Miami-Date County. Structures are being

854
02:03:06,500 --> 02:03:12,000
build over acres of land occupied and precious wildlife in our Everglades and these structures

855
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:16,740
create unnecessary pollutants that not only directly affect the very wildlife but our own

856
02:03:16,740 --> 02:03:20,980
health. That's why I'm here to ask you for your support on these issues that are incredibly important

857
02:03:20,980 --> 02:03:27,740
to me and my colleagues. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. Good morning commissioners and

858
02:03:27,740 --> 02:03:33,740
a special good morning to commissioner regalado. I'm here to speak of course on 14B as well as

859
02:03:33,740 --> 02:03:41,300
All my friends here, we've gathered to talk about water quality and the importance of it.

860
02:03:41,300 --> 02:03:46,960
And I'd also like to mention, it is a Tuesday, sorry, not Tuesday.

861
02:03:47,380 --> 02:03:49,000
David, I just please.

862
02:03:49,200 --> 02:03:52,280
Name is Joseph Brokeham and I'm in West Kendall.

863
02:03:53,560 --> 02:03:57,240
The recent I bring out, it's a day and a week because we need your actual address.

864
02:03:58,040 --> 02:04:03,420
1627, 275 West and Ephesary and the recent I bring up it's a day within the week is because

865
02:04:03,420 --> 02:04:09,100
It's nine a.m. in the morning and unlike many of the people that are here, I have a job

866
02:04:09,100 --> 02:04:16,200
to attend to and have to for the sake of my family and everybody else here. I say that because

867
02:04:16,200 --> 02:04:21,800
not everybody who I know who wanted to be here is here. So, know that we represent a lot more

868
02:04:21,800 --> 02:04:28,380
people than just the 15 rage souls or so that you see here. And again, I'm here to speak on the

869
02:04:28,380 --> 02:04:33,900
that the water quality as well as our wetlands are incredibly important to the

870
02:04:33,900 --> 02:04:38,220
Everglades and incredibly important to the people of Miami and the young people

871
02:04:38,220 --> 02:04:43,000
Miami who are growing population, a working population and a smart population

872
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:45,620
that boats and stays active in their community.

873
02:04:46,660 --> 02:04:48,700
So please keep that in mind.

874
02:04:49,620 --> 02:04:49,940
Thank you.

875
02:04:50,240 --> 02:04:51,100
Thank you, sir.

876
02:04:51,820 --> 02:04:59,980
Welcome to Furners. My name is Damian. I live in 4 7 9 1 North West Second Street. Hope you are all well. Me and my

877
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:12,660
Friends are gathered here today in support of this item, 14B1. Water is life. Therefore, we must preserve it. Many AI data setters have been developed around Florida. This is an attack on our resources and the amount of water needed to run these centers is harmful.

878
02:05:13,420 --> 02:05:29,620
Also, our wetlands are one of the main sources of water. Developing on these lands will also affect the water quality. So please vote yes on this item and have the same energy for the upcoming ones to help preserve our lands. Animals, and more importantly, water and our health for our Florianians.

879
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:31,340
Thank you for your time.

880
02:05:31,580 --> 02:05:32,440
Thank you, sir.

881
02:05:34,300 --> 02:05:37,080
Good morning, I see many commissioners and people here present today.

882
02:05:37,200 --> 02:05:38,540
My name is one of the rural house barriers.

883
02:05:38,980 --> 02:05:41,800
I live in 11, 150 subways, 14 straight.

884
02:05:42,220 --> 02:05:45,360
I came here to come in favor of the 14 B1.

885
02:05:45,540 --> 02:05:48,740
I believe this is a great loss of the taxpayer money.

886
02:05:49,180 --> 02:05:53,220
These studies are able to protect the windblathens from on-the-scruples companies

887
02:05:53,220 --> 02:05:56,920
are willing to sacrifice the water quality of our city

888
02:05:56,920 --> 02:06:03,920
just for the sake of some money and going over important laws that were placed there for reasons

889
02:06:03,920 --> 02:06:10,360
such as the Clean Water Act, they put in danger the people by leaving up to companies,

890
02:06:11,100 --> 02:06:16,140
important aquifers such as the Biscayne Bay aquifers which is the primary source of drinking water

891
02:06:16,140 --> 02:06:20,940
to 5 million for the audience. This doesn't only hurt the people but also means a cause of money

892
02:06:20,940 --> 02:06:27,280
to a state because they have to replace that water that are lost. Thank you very much.

893
02:06:27,600 --> 02:06:34,270
Thank you sir. Hello commissioners. My name is Michael Perez. I live at 1 5 3 3 0

894
02:06:34,270 --> 02:06:42,170
Southwest 1 5 5 court West Kendall and I'm here in support of 11 A 1 because water is extremely important to all

895
02:06:42,170 --> 02:06:46,390
of us young people who showed up here today it's a key part of our politics here in South Florida.

896
02:06:47,070 --> 02:06:51,530
This study is rather important. I think it's important that our wastewater gets studied.

897
02:06:51,530 --> 02:06:56,530
our water quality gets studied, you know, because it's getting attacked from so many sites across

898
02:06:56,530 --> 02:06:57,090
the county.

899
02:06:57,570 --> 02:07:00,830
There's been so many AI data centers that have been approved in my immediate county, which

900
02:07:00,830 --> 02:07:05,650
are not only increasing electricity costs residents, but using our water resources as well.

901
02:07:06,130 --> 02:07:10,610
What happened to protecting the Biscayne Bay protecting our drinking water, halting salt water

902
02:07:10,610 --> 02:07:11,270
intrusion?

903
02:07:12,010 --> 02:07:16,090
I have so much more to say, and many other items I want to speak on today, but this is where

904
02:07:16,090 --> 02:07:17,530
we're putting our energy today.

905
02:07:17,530 --> 02:07:24,790
and just think for future generations, for future my amyons, whenever land gets paved, lands,

906
02:07:25,150 --> 02:07:30,470
flood, impervious surfaces affect all of us, especially those proximal to chromavenu.

907
02:07:31,250 --> 02:07:36,970
And well, as seized rise, limestone will fill with water. So every time we have an impervious surface,

908
02:07:37,230 --> 02:07:42,010
well, it's going to flood a whole lot easier. Thank you all, and have a wonderful day. Thank you.

909
02:07:43,530 --> 02:07:49,790
Hello and good morning. My name is Nicole Ozano. I'm a Florida-born resident living on 795 South

910
02:07:49,790 --> 02:07:56,650
West 110th Avenue speaking in behalf of 14B1. I'm a 20 year old student at FIU majoring

911
02:07:56,650 --> 02:08:01,490
sustainability, which is the primary goal of sustaining the Earth for future generations,

912
02:08:02,130 --> 02:08:08,890
which this water study greatly contributes exactly to that. Art Wetlands and the maintenance

913
02:08:08,890 --> 02:08:12,570
last tracking of the water quality is crucial to our lives.

914
02:08:13,230 --> 02:08:17,970
The wetlands are a main source of drinking water, and without study such as these, we wouldn't

915
02:08:17,970 --> 02:08:20,850
be able to keep up with our livelihoods regarding fresh water.

916
02:08:21,370 --> 02:08:26,230
I Nicole Ozano and many others are in favor of taxpayer money going towards these water

917
02:08:26,230 --> 02:08:29,390
studies for the overall betterment of our beloved Everglades.

918
02:08:29,650 --> 02:08:30,690
Thank you very much.

919
02:08:31,850 --> 02:08:32,810
Thank you.

920
02:08:32,810 --> 02:08:37,210
Hello, commissioners and chairman. My name is Sophia Maya. I address 3-1-7-2

921
02:08:37,210 --> 02:08:41,610
phones and blue boulevard Miami Florida. Today I wanted to speak on item 5-2 on behalf of

922
02:08:41,610 --> 02:08:46,430
the importance of affordable housing. Having for habitat of Miami is a non-profit organization that

923
02:08:46,430 --> 02:08:51,950
helps the community build affordable housing. A big issue in Miami is how affordable everything is.

924
02:08:52,230 --> 02:08:56,950
Especially housing, a decent one-bedroom one-back from apartment monthly is 1,800 minimum,

925
02:08:57,570 --> 02:09:02,690
including increasing rents after lease agreements. Many residents face daily struggles of

926
02:09:02,690 --> 02:09:06,750
skyrocketing housing prices that our salaries cannot afford, there needs to be more affordable

927
02:09:06,750 --> 02:09:08,790
options available for families and residents.

928
02:09:09,110 --> 02:09:13,990
Miami should move towards affordability and all aspects of life, walkability, accessible

929
02:09:13,990 --> 02:09:16,090
communities, quality of life for our environment.

930
02:09:16,490 --> 02:09:20,810
South Florida's wetlands provide fresh water, flood protection, biodiversity and balance for

931
02:09:20,810 --> 02:09:21,490
all of us.

932
02:09:21,710 --> 02:09:26,050
Developments for housing and business, such as Kelly Tractor, deserve the rights to exist,

933
02:09:26,190 --> 02:09:29,810
but not at the expense and destruction of wildlife and vital habitat.

934
02:09:29,810 --> 02:09:35,190
We need our environment just as much as we need a affordable housing business and quality of life for all residents

935
02:09:35,190 --> 02:09:40,390
This is immense of these slanders towards anyone present today, but it is instead a call for accountability

936
02:09:41,090 --> 02:09:43,890
Responsibility percent. Thank you so much, man. Thank

937
02:09:45,970 --> 02:09:51,510
you. Hello, my name is Cardinal Fonso. I live in one four two two nine Southwest

938
02:09:53,030 --> 02:09:55,010
Southwest 97 terrorists

939
02:09:56,110 --> 02:09:59,970
I'm here because I was originally going to say

940
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:18,960
We talk about the Kelly tractor, but as expected, public comment is closed. I'm still here because I care about our waters. All of us speaking here are, I would like to mention that we aren't here to waste your time. We take time out of our day to be here to tell you how we all feel because we truly care about this.

941
02:10:18,960 --> 02:10:23,840
I believe funding this study is a great use of our taxpayer money, instead of building more

942
02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:29,140
AI data centers, which takes our water and damages our ecosystems we should be using

943
02:10:29,140 --> 02:10:34,080
taxpayer money for something that is actually beneficial to all of us and our nature.

944
02:10:34,720 --> 02:10:40,280
As you all know, our water quality is extremely important, not only for us, but our future generations.

945
02:10:40,700 --> 02:10:44,860
Funding the study of our water quality will ensure that our water is free of microplastics

946
02:10:44,860 --> 02:10:47,660
and other pollutants that are harmful to us all.

947
02:10:47,660 --> 02:10:53,580
This is truly important, and we urge you to support the funding of our water studies.

948
02:10:54,940 --> 02:10:55,820
Thank you.

949
02:10:55,840 --> 02:10:57,800
Thank you.

950
02:10:57,880 --> 02:10:58,080
Sir.

951
02:11:02,590 --> 02:11:03,210
It's your turn.

952
02:11:03,430 --> 02:11:03,830
Oh, it's my turn.

953
02:11:04,690 --> 02:11:04,890
Good morning.

954
02:11:05,190 --> 02:11:05,990
My name is Jules.

955
02:11:06,750 --> 02:11:08,410
I live in 13506.

956
02:11:08,530 --> 02:11:09,830
It's North East 24th place.

957
02:11:10,370 --> 02:11:11,750
I'm a North Miami resident.

958
02:11:12,690 --> 02:11:15,710
Before anything, I just want to extend my thanks for all of you guys for showing up today.

959
02:11:15,750 --> 02:11:17,930
We have a pretty good turn now as I see.

960
02:11:18,810 --> 02:11:33,610
Yes, I want to speak about the water quality situation as a Miami local, I've seen firsthand how important it is to protect our environment with rising sea levels and temperatures globally.

961
02:11:33,830 --> 02:11:43,050
I think this is a very important way of contributing to our environment as well as using our resources correctly.

962
02:11:46,290 --> 02:11:52,450
I think it's really important that we take a moment to think about how this will affect

963
02:11:52,450 --> 02:11:59,210
our future and how our city's landscape will look 10, 20, 30 years from now.

964
02:11:59,870 --> 02:12:04,470
So many young people care so much about this because it will land on us effectively.

965
02:12:06,270 --> 02:12:11,710
So yeah, I do hope you take everything that everyone said with, sorry, my anniversaries.

966
02:12:11,710 --> 02:12:21,210
Okay, thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. All right. We are now officially closed with a reason of opportunity and

967
02:12:23,850 --> 02:12:26,390
Madam attorney should we set the agenda at the time?

968
02:12:27,890 --> 02:12:32,030
Yes, Mr. Chair. I have a number of changes. I imagine so. Let's do it.

969
02:12:34,750 --> 02:12:35,270
2B5

970
02:12:35,270 --> 02:12:40,130
Commissioner Lopez and Commissioner Cohen Higgins add this item to the poll list

971
02:12:42,510 --> 02:12:46,450
2b6, Commissioner Regalado, that's the item to the poll list.

972
02:12:48,870 --> 02:12:54,590
2b8, Commissioner Lopez, and Commissioner Cohen Higgins, at this item to the poll list.

973
02:12:56,750 --> 02:13:00,150
2b10, Commissioner Regalado, Pulse the item.

974
02:13:03,410 --> 02:13:06,570
2b12, 3b2, and 3b5.

975
02:13:07,410 --> 02:13:14,530
Commissioner Lopez adds these three items to the polis. That's 2b12, 3b2 and 3b5.

976
02:13:15,390 --> 02:13:22,790
Mr. Chair, I do have some requests to bifurcate first reading items, so I'll run through them now and then I'll tell you again when we're there.

977
02:13:23,290 --> 02:13:32,650
4b, Senator Garcia, 14a1, 14a5, 14a6, and 14a7, Commissioner Regalado, and also 14a8.

978
02:13:33,590 --> 02:13:36,990
I have a request to bifurcate public hearing items.

979
02:13:37,930 --> 02:13:45,350
5A, Commissioner Bestian, 5F, 5G, and 5H, Commissioner Regalado, 5L, Commissioner

980
02:13:45,350 --> 02:13:51,010
Bermuda, and Commissioner Million Orbis, 5O, Commissioner Million Orbis, and Senator Garcia,

981
02:13:51,690 --> 02:13:53,330
and 5U, Senator Garcia.

982
02:13:54,330 --> 02:13:57,770
I also have some requests to bifurcate items for second reading.

983
02:13:57,770 --> 02:14:04,030
7B7 is Commissioner Lopez and 7D and 7E Commissioner Regalado.

984
02:14:07,140 --> 02:14:11,160
8F1 Senator Garcia adds this item to the poll list.

985
02:14:12,120 --> 02:14:16,340
8F2 Commissioner Bermutas adding this item to the poll list.

986
02:14:17,400 --> 02:14:21,640
8G5 Commissioner Million Orbis adds this item to the poll list.

987
02:14:23,000 --> 02:14:27,840
8K1 Chairman Rodriguez adds this item to the poll list.

988
02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:33,420
Mr. Chair, item 8k2, the sponsors requesting deferral of this item to no date certain.

989
02:14:34,240 --> 02:14:36,540
So with the setting of the agenda, the setting will be deferred.

990
02:14:39,200 --> 02:14:44,860
8k4, and item 8n7, Commissioner Gilbert, as these items to the poll list.

991
02:14:44,960 --> 02:14:52,740
That's 8k4 and 8n7. 8n8, Senator Garcia, as this item to the poll list.

992
02:14:54,020 --> 02:14:59,980
Items 802 803 and 804 are being pulled by Commissioner Bermuda's.

993
02:15:03,280 --> 02:15:24,560
985, also being pulled by Commissioner Brumutus. Mr. Chair, items 10A1 and 10A2 have been listened and the changes she with a requested deferral by Commissioner Bestianne. She no longer wishes to refer these to for these two items. That's items 10A1 and 10A2. So with the setting of the agenda, these two items will be approved.

994
02:15:27,360 --> 02:15:30,520
11A1 Commissioner Lopez adds a item to the poll list.

995
02:15:32,740 --> 02:15:33,600
11A13 and 11A3.

996
02:15:33,620 --> 02:15:38,800
its supplements, Senator Garcia and Commissioners Lopez Bermuda's Regalado and Cohen Higgins

997
02:15:38,800 --> 02:15:40,580
are adding this item to the poll list.

998
02:15:42,640 --> 02:15:48,500
That was the 11813 and its supplements, and it's Senator Garcia Lopez Bermuda's Regalado

999
02:15:48,500 --> 02:15:51,580
and Cohen Higgins are the pulling commissioners.

1000
02:15:52,040 --> 02:15:56,460
11814, Commissioner Steinberg and Commissioner Regalado pulled this item.

1001
02:15:57,520 --> 02:16:02,100
11816, Commissioner Steinberg and Cohen Higgins are pulling this item.

1002
02:16:03,120 --> 02:16:07,420
11-817, Commissioner Steinberg and Commissioner Regalado are pulling the

1003
02:16:07,420 --> 02:16:12,880
side of them. 11-820, the side is being pulled by Commissioner Bermuda's

1004
02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:19,120
Commissioner Steinberg and Commissioner Regalado. 11-824, Commissioner Regalado is

1005
02:16:19,120 --> 02:16:24,260
pulling the side of them. 11-825, Chairman Rodriguez, as a side

1006
02:16:24,260 --> 02:16:32,660
to the pull list. 14A2 and 14A3, Commissioner Regalado is pulling the side on, or pulling

1007
02:16:32,660 --> 02:16:35,560
these items. 14A4, Commissioner Cohen Higgins.

1008
02:16:38,460 --> 02:16:40,500
14A1, I'm sorry Commissioner Regalado is

1009
02:16:40,500 --> 02:16:42,100
pulling 14A1 as well.

1010
02:16:44,910 --> 02:16:50,690
14B1, Chairman Rodriguez and Commissioner Cohen Higgins. 14B2, Commissioner

1011
02:16:50,690 --> 02:16:54,030
Cohen Higgins is pulling this item and 15B1,

1012
02:16:54,150 --> 02:16:57,690
Chairman Rodriguez and Senator Garcia are pulling these items.

1013
02:16:58,630 --> 02:17:00,870
I have additional requests for co-sponsorship,

1014
02:17:01,710 --> 02:17:07,370
items 7E, Commissioner Bestian, 81, Commissioner Steinberg,

1015
02:17:07,870 --> 02:17:12,070
11A1, Commissioner Million Orbis, 11A11, Commissioner Steinberg,

1016
02:17:12,550 --> 02:17:16,890
11A21, Commissioner Steinberg, 11A25, Commissioner Million Orbis.

1017
02:17:17,890 --> 02:17:19,730
The items to be considered on today's meeting

1018
02:17:19,730 --> 02:17:23,310
will be those listed in the printed final agenda with the additions to Ferrell's withdrawals

1019
02:17:23,310 --> 02:17:26,650
and screwner's errors noted in the Chairman's memorandum and the items I just mentioned.

1020
02:17:27,170 --> 02:17:30,330
The commission will approve all of these items, best single vote setting the agenda except

1021
02:17:30,330 --> 02:17:35,690
item 2b1, mayors appointment of the Director of the Seaport Department, item 2b2, the mayors

1022
02:17:35,690 --> 02:17:39,590
appointment of the Director of the Department of Culture Affairs, ordinances for first reading

1023
02:17:39,590 --> 02:17:44,870
public hearings, item 6a1, discussion item regarding the status of the county's electric fleet,

1024
02:17:44,870 --> 02:17:52,450
Item 6 beat 1 discussion item regarding SB 1134 official actions of local governments, DEI,

1025
02:17:52,570 --> 02:18:01,950
ordinances sub for second reading, items 8a1, 8a2, 8a3, 8a4, 8a5, 8p1, 8p5, and 8p8, which are

1026
02:18:02,370 --> 02:18:06,850
your commercial service airport contracts which are not on your polis and have to be voted on

1027
02:18:06,850 --> 02:18:09,150
appropriately and the following poll list items.

1028
02:18:10,390 --> 02:18:34,570
2B5, 2B6, 2B8, 2B10, 2B12, 3B2, 3B5, 8F1, 8F2, 8G5, 8K1, 8K4, 8n7, 8n8, 802, 803, 804, 9511A1, 11A13, and

1029
02:18:35,570 --> 02:18:46,050
11A-14, 11A-16, 11A-17, 11A-20, 11A-20, 11A-24, 11A-25, 14A-1, that's the first reading

1030
02:18:46,050 --> 02:18:55,230
item. I'll read it with the balance of the first readings, 14A-2, 14A-3, 14A-4, 14A-5, 14A-6, 14A-7,

1031
02:18:55,270 --> 02:18:59,810
and 14A-8. Those four items are first readings. I'll read those with the first readings,

1032
02:19:00,790 --> 02:19:05,790
14B-1, 14B-2, and 15B-1, a motion to set the agenda as an order.

1033
02:19:06,810 --> 02:19:10,970
I have some more pull the Vice Chairman for two.

1034
02:19:11,090 --> 02:19:19,050
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can you please add to that list 11815-8p9 and 14B-1?

1035
02:19:19,050 --> 02:19:20,090
I'll be pulling those.

1036
02:19:20,350 --> 02:19:24,050
Any additional pull items? Anyone wishes to pull any additional items?

1037
02:19:24,270 --> 02:19:25,790
I'll entertain a motion to set the agenda.

1038
02:19:26,510 --> 02:19:33,630
May may could you please repeat those repeat the three by share I got a point of this get it

1039
02:19:33,630 --> 02:19:34,450
I know but

1040
02:19:35,130 --> 02:19:39,910
But it's kind of round. I'm just I'm very uncomfortable to get a ways but think talk about those

1041
02:19:40,410 --> 02:19:42,930
Go head by chair. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Chairman

1042
02:19:42,930 --> 02:19:47,470
Madam maternity the items refer to were 11.815

1043
02:19:49,950 --> 02:19:50,430
8p9

1044
02:19:51,510 --> 02:19:53,750
And 14b1 those are the items that we'll be pulling

1045
02:19:54,830 --> 02:19:59,870
Commissioner Gilbert, you're recognized for a point of discomfort. I'll point of discomfort. I just-

1046
02:20:00,340 --> 02:20:04,780
I refuse to believe that we pulled this entire agenda.

1047
02:20:04,860 --> 02:20:06,740
It's July. This is the July day.

1048
02:20:06,740 --> 02:20:10,300
I just refuse to believe that there are that many controversial things on this agenda.

1049
02:20:10,580 --> 02:20:11,400
I went through this agenda.

1050
02:20:11,500 --> 02:20:13,540
There's not, but we're politicians. We'd like to hear ourselves talk.

1051
02:20:13,600 --> 02:20:14,840
Oh, my God.

1052
02:20:15,140 --> 02:20:15,780
It's what it is.

1053
02:20:15,920 --> 02:20:16,480
Oh, my God.

1054
02:20:16,640 --> 02:20:17,540
We got nothing else to do.

1055
02:20:18,160 --> 02:20:19,280
You all pack a lunch.

1056
02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:22,800
It's just, and that's why we got an orangimed meeting tonight.

1057
02:20:22,940 --> 02:20:25,760
I mean, I can't make it, but we got an orangimed meeting tonight.

1058
02:20:25,960 --> 02:20:30,320
So, Mr. Chair, who's, who's,

1059
02:20:31,580 --> 02:20:40,660
It's APA, I want to pull a 8, P-8, AP-8, AP-8, AP-8, AP-8, AP-8, AP-8, all right.

1060
02:20:40,820 --> 02:20:44,320
With that I want to entertain a motion to set the agenda and all of its pooled items, it's

1061
02:20:44,320 --> 02:20:49,580
been moved back to Mission Lopez, seconded by Commissioner Bastien, on favor, signify by say

1062
02:20:49,580 --> 02:20:50,100
an aye.

1063
02:20:51,020 --> 02:20:53,460
And everything that Jerry mentioned happens with the setting of the agenda.

1064
02:20:53,900 --> 02:20:55,460
Can we quiet down in the back, please?

1065
02:20:57,200 --> 02:21:00,300
All right, before I get into first readings, I'm going to

1066
02:21:00,300 --> 02:21:04,720
recognize the mayor for two appointments.

1067
02:21:05,720 --> 02:21:12,000
We'll start with two B1, which is the mayor appointment to the director of the C-Port Department.

1068
02:21:12,600 --> 02:21:16,560
We have Jonathan Daniels serving as the new executive director.

1069
02:21:16,880 --> 02:21:21,800
Well, serving, he was serving as the director of Maryland-Port Administration, MPA, and the

1070
02:21:21,800 --> 02:21:26,940
Port of Baltimore, and the 11th busiest tonnage port in the United States.

1071
02:21:26,940 --> 02:21:33,740
And I know that he's here this morning, welcome, and with his wife, Adrienne.

1072
02:21:34,420 --> 02:21:40,060
So thank you for being here, Adrienne, and Mr. Daniels, all right, Madam Mayor, do you

1073
02:21:40,060 --> 02:21:43,160
want to do a refintroduction of our new port director?

1074
02:21:43,360 --> 02:21:46,920
Yes, I would love to, but thank you for leading it off.

1075
02:21:47,320 --> 02:21:48,180
That was wonderful.

1076
02:21:49,500 --> 02:21:53,840
Well, we are very, very pleased that we found Mr. Daniels Jonathan, Daniels, please

1077
02:21:53,840 --> 02:21:55,940
if you would approach the well here.

1078
02:21:57,400 --> 02:22:02,800
To be our next director in CEO of the Port Miami, we all know that Port Miami is one of

1079
02:22:02,800 --> 02:22:04,800
our most important economic engines.

1080
02:22:04,820 --> 02:22:12,200
It supports more than $340,000 across Florida, $61 billion in economic impact, and so strong

1081
02:22:12,200 --> 02:22:16,000
leadership is very essential to its continued success.

1082
02:22:16,180 --> 02:22:21,260
He brings more than three decades of experience, leading some of the nation's most significant

1083
02:22:21,260 --> 02:22:27,960
Seaports, he's managed complex crews, cargo and logistics operations, he's overseen multi-billion

1084
02:22:27,960 --> 02:22:32,220
dollar capital investments. He's built a reputation as a thoughtful collaborative leader and a

1085
02:22:32,220 --> 02:22:38,160
delivers results and by the way he comes from a longshoremen family, father and grandfather,

1086
02:22:38,700 --> 02:22:44,800
part of the longshoremen union. Most recently he led the port of Baltimore through one of the most

1087
02:22:44,800 --> 02:22:50,560
challenging moments in our nation's history in maritime. The collapse of the Francis Scott Keybridge,

1088
02:22:50,560 --> 02:22:56,040
He helped to restore operations while guiding the port to a record year for container activity and before that

1089
02:22:56,040 --> 02:23:03,900
He led right here port Everglades and he advanced $3 billion strategy to expand cargo cruise and energy operations

1090
02:23:03,900 --> 02:23:08,000
So as port Miami continues to grow and best in critical infrastructure

1091
02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:13,440
Strengthens its position as the cruise capital of the world and the cargo gateway of the Americas

1092
02:23:13,440 --> 02:23:19,940
I'm confident that Jonathan has the experience the vision and the city leadership to build on that momentum

1093
02:23:19,940 --> 02:23:24,460
we're really delighted that he's chosen to join us. Thank you and welcome to Jonathan.

1094
02:23:25,200 --> 02:23:25,420
Thank you.

1095
02:23:25,740 --> 02:23:25,880
Welcome.

1096
02:23:29,640 --> 02:23:30,940
Good job, President.

1097
02:23:32,820 --> 02:23:37,060
Anyone that takes this job deserves a drop of applause and you know who?

1098
02:23:37,880 --> 02:23:40,760
Yeah. And he brought his wife with him? I mean, that's like a double wheavy.

1099
02:23:41,300 --> 02:23:42,740
All right. Go ahead, you got the floor.

1100
02:23:43,020 --> 02:23:48,520
Madam Mayor Mr. Chairman and members of the county commission I am humbled and honored

1101
02:23:48,520 --> 02:23:51,560
to be standing before you this morning.

1102
02:23:52,500 --> 02:23:56,780
When we talk about the cargo gateway to the Americas,

1103
02:23:56,940 --> 02:23:59,080
when we talk about the cruise capital of the world,

1104
02:24:00,160 --> 02:24:01,940
those are statements of registered trademarks,

1105
02:24:02,060 --> 02:24:03,840
but there are more than anything promises.

1106
02:24:04,100 --> 02:24:07,100
There are promises that we, as a port, as port Miami,

1107
02:24:07,760 --> 02:24:12,520
make to the stakeholders who are utilizing our facilities

1108
02:24:12,520 --> 02:24:16,140
and utilizing port Miami as their gateway.

1109
02:24:16,140 --> 02:24:27,140
The 8.5 million past your moves that we engaged in just last year is a solid number, but

1110
02:24:27,140 --> 02:24:31,100
we have put ourselves in a position where we stepped back a little bit.

1111
02:24:31,860 --> 02:24:36,920
There is another port to the north of us that shall remain nameless right now that has taken

1112
02:24:36,920 --> 02:24:37,880
over that position.

1113
02:24:39,140 --> 02:24:45,260
I am absolutely enthusiastic about where we stand right now with the incredible staff that we

1114
02:24:45,260 --> 02:24:50,820
have, I had the opportunity to meet with the directors yesterday. One of the reasons why

1115
02:24:50,820 --> 02:24:54,520
this position was so appealing was because I've had the opportunity to work with many

1116
02:24:54,520 --> 02:24:59,980
of them in the past. And the view and the vision that they have to be-

1117
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:05,880
able to continue to move the port forward whether it's cruise or cargo. This is absolutely incredible

1118
02:25:05,880 --> 02:25:12,460
team under which I am absolutely proud to be a member of. I sat down with them yesterday for about

1119
02:25:12,460 --> 02:25:17,800
an hour, hour and a half after that meeting, all I wanted to do was sit back in the office

1120
02:25:17,800 --> 02:25:24,660
and get to work. This is a team that prepared to move forward. Yes, we have challenges ahead of us.

1121
02:25:24,660 --> 02:25:28,100
every port in the America, every port in the world, has challenges.

1122
02:25:29,200 --> 02:25:33,120
As the mayor had mentioned, I've had the opportunity to work through challenges, whether

1123
02:25:33,120 --> 02:25:38,760
it's rebuilding after Hurricane Katrina, whether it's taking on the third largest cruise

1124
02:25:38,760 --> 02:25:43,640
home port in the world during the pandemic, or six weeks after my arrival in Baltimore

1125
02:25:43,640 --> 02:25:48,760
and getting to call it 130 in the morning that the Francis Scott Keybridge has gone into the

1126
02:25:48,760 --> 02:25:48,980
river.

1127
02:25:49,720 --> 02:25:55,260
All of those issues unexpected, all of those issues allow us the opportunity to be creative.

1128
02:25:56,080 --> 02:26:02,420
To utilize the team approach, to utilize a creative approach and ultimately come out the other side.

1129
02:26:02,760 --> 02:26:05,720
We have set records after each of those instances.

1130
02:26:06,720 --> 02:26:11,340
And that is the passion and the draw that I want to be able to bring to this team.

1131
02:26:11,460 --> 02:26:15,500
Again, I've had the opportunity to work with many of them, work with many of them in leadership.

1132
02:26:16,240 --> 02:26:26,440
And to stand before you now in consideration of my appointment to this position, again, I am honored and humbled to be a part of the Miami-Dade family.

1133
02:26:26,720 --> 02:26:38,560
As many people have pointed out to me, more importantly to the professional and team that is at port Miami that leads with professionalism and integrity like no other port.

1134
02:26:38,560 --> 02:26:42,600
I've had the opportunity to be able to work with and work for.

1135
02:26:42,800 --> 02:26:46,600
I've had the opportunity to speak to a few of you on the commission thus far,

1136
02:26:46,880 --> 02:26:49,860
but would be willing to answer any questions that you may have

1137
02:26:49,860 --> 02:26:51,240
in consideration of the appointment.

1138
02:26:52,140 --> 02:26:52,280
Thank you.

1139
02:26:52,500 --> 02:26:54,580
And just through the chair to clarify,

1140
02:26:54,860 --> 02:26:57,240
his official first day of work is August 10.

1141
02:26:57,500 --> 02:27:01,540
So we asked him to come here so that we could have an opportunity for people to meet here.

1142
02:27:01,700 --> 02:27:01,840
Awesome.

1143
02:27:01,900 --> 02:27:02,620
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1144
02:27:02,720 --> 02:27:03,780
And welcome aboard again.

1145
02:27:04,060 --> 02:27:06,360
Thanks, Chairwoman Koenigens.

1146
02:27:06,360 --> 02:27:10,560
Thank you, Madam Mr. Chair and thank you, Madam Mayor and welcome.

1147
02:27:10,920 --> 02:27:12,680
Congratulations on the appointment.

1148
02:27:13,380 --> 02:27:18,920
I just want to say a few words regarding your role and the size of it and the magnitude

1149
02:27:18,920 --> 02:27:24,500
of the work that you're going to do here for us in the community, not only focusing on passenger

1150
02:27:24,500 --> 02:27:31,720
volume in those numbers, but with a particular emphasis on the amazing community that you are now a key member of

1151
02:27:31,720 --> 02:27:38,200
the over 300,000 jobs that rely on Port Miami every day to feed their families.

1152
02:27:38,400 --> 02:27:41,260
And so I know that you are equipped and experienced.

1153
02:27:41,560 --> 02:27:43,460
We all certainly look forward to working with you.

1154
02:27:43,480 --> 02:27:48,540
And I would be remiss if I didn't say rather passionately that you have very big shoes

1155
02:27:48,540 --> 02:27:49,160
to fill.

1156
02:27:49,480 --> 02:27:53,560
Our former Port Director was an extraordinary member of our Miami-Dade County team.

1157
02:27:53,740 --> 02:28:00,680
We all miss her and wish her well in her future endeavors, but just wanted to share welcoming

1158
02:28:00,680 --> 02:28:05,820
remarks, but also remarks saying that the job is huge. We know you're going to do a wonderful

1159
02:28:05,820 --> 02:28:10,000
job. Miami data is such a unique and extraordinary community. And we look forward to your

1160
02:28:10,000 --> 02:28:15,160
leadership here at Port Miami. So once again, congratulations and welcome. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1161
02:28:15,340 --> 02:28:20,940
Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Congratulations, Madam Mayor. Thank you for that appointment.

1162
02:28:21,300 --> 02:28:26,160
Very good. Congratulations. And we, uh, we hold you to the fire. Absolutely. I know that Adrian

1163
02:28:26,160 --> 02:28:28,160
Thank you.

1164
02:28:29,040 --> 02:28:30,500
Commissioner Regalado has some remarks.

1165
02:28:30,640 --> 02:28:31,400
Hold on.

1166
02:28:31,520 --> 02:28:32,680
Future director, hold on.

1167
02:28:33,180 --> 02:28:33,840
Don't go so far.

1168
02:28:34,100 --> 02:28:34,140
Hold on.

1169
02:28:34,220 --> 02:28:35,500
We got some more.

1170
02:28:35,500 --> 02:28:36,200
He's a director.

1171
02:28:36,400 --> 02:28:36,860
I guess now.

1172
02:28:37,040 --> 02:28:37,260
Yes.

1173
02:28:37,800 --> 02:28:40,620
So I would say, I don't know if to say congratulations or condolences.

1174
02:28:40,760 --> 02:28:44,400
But I hope you stick around for our conversation over the port bond.

1175
02:28:44,540 --> 02:28:45,280
It'll be interesting.

1176
02:28:45,820 --> 02:28:46,180
Absolutely.

1177
02:28:47,240 --> 02:28:48,160
Was it?

1178
02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:50,400
Gonzales Cohen.

1179
02:28:51,920 --> 02:28:54,900
So director, I want to congratulate you on taking this role.

1180
02:28:55,500 --> 02:29:00,560
I think that it's clear that it's not going to be an easy role, but I have looked into some

1181
02:29:00,560 --> 02:29:04,440
of the things that you did at Port Everglades and Port Everglades being one of those ports

1182
02:29:04,440 --> 02:29:06,260
that is on our heels.

1183
02:29:06,760 --> 02:29:12,560
It almost feels like the Miami Heat Geonestrade right now, and I'm glad to have you on this

1184
02:29:12,560 --> 02:29:12,900
team.

1185
02:29:13,180 --> 02:29:13,560
Thank you.

1186
02:29:13,720 --> 02:29:14,640
It won't be easy.

1187
02:29:15,500 --> 02:29:19,080
You're not going to get a lot of sleep, but I'm sure that you will be up to the challenge,

1188
02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:20,960
and I look forward to working with you.

1189
02:29:21,200 --> 02:29:21,780
Thank you, Director.

1190
02:29:22,000 --> 02:29:22,440
Congratulations.

1191
02:29:22,440 --> 02:29:26,840
Madam Mayor, item 2B2, you're good director. Thank you.

1192
02:29:27,140 --> 02:29:27,760
Thank you.

1193
02:29:28,060 --> 02:29:31,520
Item 2B2, your director of the Department of Cultural Affairs.

1194
02:29:31,720 --> 02:29:34,260
Madam Mayor, we have Ashley K. Thomas,

1195
02:29:34,340 --> 02:29:37,140
Aminative, with deep ties to the local community,

1196
02:29:37,300 --> 02:29:39,580
a strong understanding of the county's culture infrastructure,

1197
02:29:40,280 --> 02:29:42,660
and more than 25 years of experience across the arts,

1198
02:29:42,680 --> 02:29:45,000
some profit leadership and public administration.

1199
02:29:46,420 --> 02:29:50,660
Please intro our new director of cultural affairs.

1200
02:29:50,660 --> 02:29:54,240
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Once again. Thank you for being prepped.

1201
02:29:55,380 --> 02:29:59,540
Ashley Thomas is a local star. Homegrown.

1202
02:30:00,210 --> 02:30:17,050
She has risen up through the arts world. She started her career in Liberty City, and she trained with Mr. Marshall at the African cultural heritage center, and where she learned dance.

1203
02:30:17,390 --> 02:30:28,990
She went on to be a professional dancer. She went on to write her own productions. She traveled the world, performed in Los Angeles, produced in Australia, and came home to us here in Miami-Dade.

1204
02:30:28,990 --> 02:30:31,230
So she has advanced through the ranks.

1205
02:30:31,410 --> 02:30:35,230
She's actually produced productions at our own arched center.

1206
02:30:35,490 --> 02:30:39,390
So she has a very diverse set of experiences in the arts and culture.

1207
02:30:39,870 --> 02:30:45,030
And she has received rave reviews from her cultural arts partners.

1208
02:30:45,690 --> 02:30:49,670
So we did a national search and it brought us right back home.

1209
02:30:49,790 --> 02:30:53,710
I have to say that we discovered we have a star in our midst.

1210
02:30:53,830 --> 02:30:57,290
And we have every confidence that under Ashley's leadership,

1211
02:30:57,290 --> 02:31:03,390
that arts and culture will continue not only to thrive, but actually to even ascend to higher heights.

1212
02:31:03,910 --> 02:31:12,730
So, very, very excited to introduce her to you, if you have not had a chance, just to underscore a couple of the things she's managed in her short tenure as interim director.

1213
02:31:13,290 --> 02:31:15,550
Guess what? Coconut Grove Playhouse.

1214
02:31:16,390 --> 02:31:17,410
We will have one.

1215
02:31:18,110 --> 02:31:23,610
Thank you, Commissioner Regalado, and so she has been instrumental in that.

1216
02:31:23,610 --> 02:31:31,550
She also has helped us to get through some difficult budget times here in the county with our cultural affairs.

1217
02:31:31,710 --> 02:31:39,390
So I am very confident that because of her background, her character, her personality, her knowledge,

1218
02:31:39,710 --> 02:31:44,370
she will be the leader that we all are striving for.

1219
02:31:44,370 --> 02:31:48,130
And I'm delighted to present to you Ashley Thomas's new director of Cultural Affairs.

1220
02:31:48,930 --> 02:31:49,350
Thank you.

1221
02:31:49,750 --> 02:31:50,070
Congratulations.

1222
02:31:50,290 --> 02:31:51,070
Welcome aboard.

1223
02:31:51,250 --> 02:31:52,010
Thank you.

1224
02:31:57,910 --> 02:32:01,070
All right, sure. Well, we love it for one more while out for the other, right?

1225
02:32:02,030 --> 02:32:07,230
All right, Ashley, you're loved. You got much less time than the C-port director.

1226
02:32:07,990 --> 02:32:13,030
He certainly went over his time and abused his time, but we're going to give it to him.

1227
02:32:13,410 --> 02:32:17,410
Go ahead. Thank you so much, Chairman Rodriguez. And thank you, Madam Mayor,

1228
02:32:17,690 --> 02:32:22,210
to the Board of County Commissioners, Deputy Mayor, and to the community for this opportunity.

1229
02:32:22,210 --> 02:32:27,270
I am local homegrown, and I'll say that art is essential to the soul, and we continue to

1230
02:32:27,990 --> 02:32:31,770
celebrate it, and we'll continue to represent the county to its full level.

1231
02:32:31,930 --> 02:32:35,410
So thank you, thank you, thank you, and I'm honored to be here, and continue to work.

1232
02:32:36,170 --> 02:32:37,030
That was brief.

1233
02:32:37,270 --> 02:32:38,490
I like that.

1234
02:32:38,590 --> 02:32:39,030
Congratulations.

1235
02:32:39,190 --> 02:32:40,250
That's two round of applause.

1236
02:32:40,590 --> 02:32:41,150
You see that?

1237
02:32:41,170 --> 02:32:42,090
That's two round of applause.

1238
02:32:42,770 --> 02:32:44,190
All right.

1239
02:32:45,230 --> 02:32:45,670
Stop.

1240
02:32:46,090 --> 02:32:47,170
You're talking about long meetings.

1241
02:32:47,650 --> 02:32:48,790
I want to say that.

1242
02:32:48,810 --> 02:32:50,190
That's the difference between C.C.

1243
02:32:50,190 --> 02:32:54,250
from here. She knew to say something real quick and sit down. That's you know exactly what

1244
02:32:54,250 --> 02:32:58,910
to do. Hey, hey, cut my man Jonathan some slack. I was given him a hard time because his wife

1245
02:32:58,910 --> 02:33:06,070
is in the room. So I wanted to. Madam attorney, let's can we do the aviation items before we go

1246
02:33:06,070 --> 02:33:12,670
into first readings. And then I understand we have some releases as well. Yes, Mr. Tri, I have one

1247
02:33:12,670 --> 02:33:14,170
at least. Do you want to do that?

1248
02:33:14,170 --> 02:33:15,050
Yes, so the release.

1249
02:33:16,170 --> 02:33:20,750
I have eight G five was pulled and commission

1250
02:33:20,750 --> 02:33:22,350
mainly on our business releasing her post.

1251
02:33:22,470 --> 02:33:23,590
She was the only pulling commissioner.

1252
02:33:24,270 --> 02:33:27,770
So eight G five commissioner Gonzalez moves

1253
02:33:27,770 --> 02:33:28,510
A G five.

1254
02:33:28,790 --> 02:33:30,410
Seconded by commissioner Gilbert.

1255
02:33:30,710 --> 02:33:32,890
All in favor signify by say and I.

1256
02:33:33,610 --> 02:33:35,210
All opposed names show it past.

1257
02:33:36,190 --> 02:33:38,530
And then can you call up the aviation items?

1258
02:33:38,550 --> 02:33:39,810
Yes, we have seven.

1259
02:33:39,810 --> 02:33:43,010
the first one is item 8A1. Move it.

1260
02:33:43,030 --> 02:33:45,950
It's been moved by Commissioner Conegan, seconded by Gilbert.

1261
02:33:46,570 --> 02:33:48,430
All in favor, signify by say Nye.

1262
02:33:49,130 --> 02:33:50,510
All opposed Nye.

1263
02:33:50,670 --> 02:33:51,070
Eighteen.

1264
02:33:51,430 --> 02:33:52,210
Eighteen, two?

1265
02:33:52,470 --> 02:33:52,930
Move it.

1266
02:33:53,090 --> 02:33:55,070
It's been moved by Conegan, seconded by Gilbert.

1267
02:33:55,170 --> 02:33:56,850
All in favor, signify by say Nye.

1268
02:33:57,270 --> 02:33:58,150
All opposed Nye.

1269
02:33:59,170 --> 02:33:59,810
Eighteen, three.

1270
02:34:00,630 --> 02:34:02,950
Move by Conegan, seconded by Gilbert.

1271
02:34:04,350 --> 02:34:05,190
All in favor, aye.

1272
02:34:06,490 --> 02:34:08,150
All opposed Nye, short passed.

1273
02:34:09,570 --> 02:34:14,630
8A4. It's been moved by Conegan, seconded by Gilbert. All in favor signify by say

1274
02:34:14,630 --> 02:34:21,610
Nye. All opposed Nye. Short passed. 8A5. It's been moved by the same, seconded by

1275
02:34:21,610 --> 02:34:30,930
the same. All in favor signify by say Nye. All the same eyes. It passes. 8P1. 8P1, moved by

1276
02:34:30,930 --> 02:34:35,910
the same, seconded by the same. All in favor signify by say Nye. All opposed

1277
02:34:35,910 --> 02:34:42,530
A, show it past, 8 p5, 8 p5 is moved by the same, so I can buy the same, all the

1278
02:34:42,530 --> 02:34:48,670
papers in the 5 by say 9, I'll post an A, and was that the last one?

1279
02:34:49,090 --> 02:34:49,390
Yes.

1280
02:34:49,930 --> 02:34:52,470
All right, we got the aviation items out.

1281
02:34:52,770 --> 02:34:58,150
Now Madam Attorney, can you please read the first reading items, including the 14s that

1282
02:34:58,150 --> 02:34:59,410
are first readings as well?

1283
02:34:59,870 --> 02:34:59,990
Yes.

1284
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:04,860
Mr. Chair, the first one is item 4A, ordinance relating to environmental protection and the incorporated

1285
02:35:04,860 --> 02:35:11,260
and unincorporated areas, amending section 24-44 of the code, providing for approval of non-recorded

1286
02:35:11,260 --> 02:35:16,380
institutional controls for no further action with conditions, site closures, in connection with contaminated

1287
02:35:16,380 --> 02:35:21,120
site cleanups under certain circumstances, making technical and clarifying changes, providing

1288
02:35:21,120 --> 02:35:24,080
sub-rebility inclusion, the code, and an effective date.

1289
02:35:24,480 --> 02:35:28,040
Four B. Substitute is an ordinance relating to hospital mandatory payments,

1290
02:35:28,200 --> 02:35:30,700
amending article four of chapter 18 of the code.

1291
02:35:31,040 --> 02:35:33,420
Revising definitions, authorizing electronic signatures,

1292
02:35:33,680 --> 02:35:35,160
and electronic delivery of documents,

1293
02:35:35,780 --> 02:35:38,240
recognizing waivers granted by the Centers for Medicare

1294
02:35:38,240 --> 02:35:41,020
Medicaid Services, expanding the scope of Medicaid

1295
02:35:41,020 --> 02:35:44,260
supplemental payment programs, revising petition, review,

1296
02:35:44,380 --> 02:35:46,660
and notice procedures, authorizing payment plans,

1297
02:35:47,120 --> 02:35:48,560
authorizing suspension or termination

1298
02:35:48,560 --> 02:35:50,200
and mandatory payments by resolution,

1299
02:35:50,200 --> 02:35:56,380
Making technical and conforming changes and providing sub-ability inclusion in the code and an effective date and its supplement.

1300
02:35:56,540 --> 02:35:59,980
Forcy is inordinates relating to the rapid transit system development zone,

1301
02:36:00,320 --> 02:36:02,720
amending section 33C-2 of the code,

1302
02:36:02,980 --> 02:36:06,700
amending the MetroMover subs under the rapid transit zone to add certain private property,

1303
02:36:07,160 --> 02:36:10,020
providing sub-ability inclusion in the code and an effective date,

1304
02:36:10,300 --> 02:36:13,480
for a decent ordinance changing the boundaries of the city of Florida City, Florida,

1305
02:36:13,640 --> 02:36:19,740
and amending the city's municipal charter to provide for the annexation or certain lands pursuant to section 604B of the home

1306
02:36:19,740 --> 02:36:25,160
charter and chapter 20 of the code of Miami-Dacani Florida relating to the unincorporated area

1307
02:36:25,160 --> 02:36:30,500
referred to as area J with approximate outer boundaries on the north by Southwest 328 Street,

1308
02:36:30,660 --> 02:36:36,440
Southwest 7 Street on the east by Southwest 1-2 Avenue on the south by Southwest 344 Street on

1309
02:36:36,440 --> 02:36:41,660
the west by Southwest 199th Avenue, providing for reservation to the county of utility tax revenues,

1310
02:36:42,080 --> 02:36:46,120
providing for county retention of residential garbage and refuse collection and disposal,

1311
02:36:46,120 --> 02:36:52,260
Requiring payment of certain outstanding debt service attributable to the annexation area, providing for county retention of jurisdiction,

1312
02:36:52,940 --> 02:36:57,060
over certain declarations of research or covenants in areas and facilities of county and white significance,

1313
02:36:57,720 --> 02:37:02,480
providing for contingent effective day, providing for interdependency inclusion in the co-dance and effective date.

1314
02:37:02,780 --> 02:37:07,300
For ease and ordinance creating the Miami-Date County Motor Safety and Bay Education Advisory Board,

1315
02:37:07,680 --> 02:37:10,340
creating article 172 of chapter 2 of the code,

1316
02:37:10,340 --> 02:37:13,460
providing for the composition and duties of the board and other related matters,

1317
02:37:13,740 --> 02:37:16,680
providing severability, inclusion and the code, and an effective date.

1318
02:37:17,160 --> 02:37:20,760
For F is in ordinance creating and establishing a special taxi into strict in the county,

1319
02:37:21,400 --> 02:37:23,640
generally bound to the North by Southwest 236,

1320
02:37:23,820 --> 02:37:30,300
screen on the east by Southwest 134 Avenue, on the south by C 102 canal, and on the west by C 102 canal,

1321
02:37:30,420 --> 02:37:34,720
known and described as co-part West street lighting special taxi into strict identifying services

1322
02:37:34,720 --> 02:37:39,100
to be provided authorizing and directing the mayor doesignee to provide for the installation of

1323
02:37:39,100 --> 02:37:42,640
Three lights are proving a streetlining agreement with Florida Power and Light, and authorizing

1324
02:37:42,640 --> 02:37:47,380
the mayor does need to execute the agreement, waiving provisions of resolution number R-1306,

1325
02:37:47,780 --> 02:37:50,000
and providing first cushion from the code and an effective date.

1326
02:37:50,300 --> 02:37:53,440
For G's and ordinance creating an establishing a special tax interest rates in the county

1327
02:37:53,440 --> 02:37:57,720
generally bound to on the north by theoretical South West 3253, on the east by Southwest

1328
02:37:57,720 --> 02:38:02,800
1-84 Avenue on the South by South West 3-283, Lucy Street, and on the west by South West

1329
02:38:02,800 --> 02:38:07,160
1-97 Avenue Richard Road, known and described as harmony homes multi-purpose maintenance

1330
02:38:07,160 --> 02:38:12,220
in three lighting special texts in district, identifying services to be provided authorizing and directing the mayor

1331
02:38:12,220 --> 02:38:17,620
doesignee to cost to be maintained to operate a various public improvements and to provide for the installation of streetlights.

1332
02:38:17,920 --> 02:38:22,640
Approving a street funding agreement, Florida Power and Light and authorizing the mayor doesignee to execute the agreement,

1333
02:38:23,160 --> 02:38:28,540
whipping provisions of resolution number R1306, and providing for future from the code and to an effective day.

1334
02:38:28,540 --> 02:38:31,800
For H is an ordinance relating to environmental protection,

1335
02:38:32,480 --> 02:38:37,260
amending sections 24-5, 24-18, and 24-43 of the code,

1336
02:38:37,660 --> 02:38:40,060
revising a definition authorizing administrative approval

1337
02:38:40,060 --> 02:38:43,260
of emergency generators for health care facilities and food stores

1338
02:38:43,260 --> 02:38:45,120
within a well-failed protection area,

1339
02:38:45,420 --> 02:38:47,220
subject to certain conditions, providing

1340
02:38:47,220 --> 02:38:49,900
severability, inclusion in the code and ineffective date,

1341
02:38:50,180 --> 02:38:52,520
for eyes and ordinance relating to environmental remediation

1342
02:38:52,520 --> 02:38:56,380
utility service fee, amending section 24-34 of the code,

1343
02:38:56,380 --> 02:39:00,860
establishing loan program for purposes of environmental remediation that meets existing requirements,

1344
02:39:01,360 --> 02:39:06,800
of Section 24-34 without changing send requirements, creating requirements, parameters, and procedures for

1345
02:39:06,800 --> 02:39:10,860
said loan program, providing severability, inclusion, the code, and an effective date.

1346
02:39:11,180 --> 02:39:15,320
14A1 is an ordinance relating to the operational personal delivery services and mobile carriers

1347
02:39:15,320 --> 02:39:20,460
in the incorporated and unincorporate areas of the county, creating chapter 31, article 8 of the code,

1348
02:39:20,740 --> 02:39:24,720
providing regulations for the safe operation and personal delivery devices and mobile carriers,

1349
02:39:24,720 --> 02:39:27,500
providing legislative intent, applicability, and definitions,

1350
02:39:27,900 --> 02:39:29,780
demanding section, ACC, 10 of the code,

1351
02:39:30,220 --> 02:39:31,660
providing for enforcement by civil penalty,

1352
02:39:31,880 --> 02:39:34,440
providing several building inclusion, the code, and, in effect, of date.

1353
02:39:35,280 --> 02:39:37,460
1485 is the ordinance relating to county procurement,

1354
02:39:37,900 --> 02:39:41,780
implementing and will are in part, multiple recommendations from the final report of the special task force,

1355
02:39:42,220 --> 02:39:45,020
to reduce the inefficiencies in procurement relating to bid protests,

1356
02:39:45,540 --> 02:39:48,800
amending section 2-8.4 of the code, relating to protest procedures,

1357
02:39:49,860 --> 02:39:54,260
implementing order 3-21, directing the mayor doesn't need to create, maintain, and update

1358
02:39:54,260 --> 02:39:58,540
a centralized automated online portal for use in the protest process, in coordination

1359
02:39:58,540 --> 02:39:59,960
with the clerk of the board requiring a-

1360
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:29,980
Report, providing some ability inclusion in an exclusion from the code and an effective date. 1486 is an ordinance relating to county procurement, implementing and wholeness in part, multiple recommendations, from the final report of the special task force to reduce inefficiencies in procurement, amending section 2-11.1 of the code, relating to the kind of silence to permit closed, recorded, oral presentations, and competitive procurement, consistent with an exemption of Florida law, amending implementing orders, 3-34 and 3-39 establishing requirements for competitive selection committee appointment.

1361
02:40:30,000 --> 02:40:35,220
Composition, scoring, training and conflict checks, creating large local employer category

1362
02:40:35,220 --> 02:40:39,700
relating to evaluation scoring and acquisition of professional services agreements, limiting

1363
02:40:39,700 --> 02:40:44,340
use of technology at oral presentations, and providing severability inclusion in an

1364
02:40:44,340 --> 02:40:46,520
exclusion from the code and an effective date.

1365
02:40:47,160 --> 02:40:50,520
14.87 is in earnest relating to county procurement, implementing and will-earned

1366
02:40:50,520 --> 02:40:54,380
part multiple recommendations from the final report of the special task force to reduce

1367
02:40:54,380 --> 02:40:58,480
inefficiencies in procurement, relating to small business and local preference requirements,

1368
02:40:58,480 --> 02:41:12,120
A Mending Section, $2-0.4, $0.01, $2-8, $1.1.11, $1.20, $2-8.11, $1.11, $1.11, and $2-8.5 of the code relating to small business

1369
02:41:12,120 --> 02:41:15,920
architecture and engineering program requirements, small business enterprise service program

1370
02:41:15,920 --> 02:41:19,280
requirements, small business enterprise goods program requirements, local business

1371
02:41:19,280 --> 02:41:23,020
preference, locally headquarters business preference, local страх and eligibility and

1372
02:41:23,020 --> 02:41:27,080
verification, small business remedies and related procurement policies, directing and

1373
02:41:27,080 --> 02:41:30,920
the mayor to make conforming changes, to implementing orders and providing

1374
02:41:30,920 --> 02:41:34,360
severability inclusion in an exclusion from the code and an effective date,

1375
02:41:34,620 --> 02:41:37,440
and 14-8 is in order to relating to county procurement, implementing and

1376
02:41:37,440 --> 02:41:40,360
holder and part multiple recommendations from the final report of the

1377
02:41:40,360 --> 02:41:42,900
special task force to reduce and efficiency and procurement.

1378
02:41:43,640 --> 02:41:47,020
Amending Section 2-11.1 of the code, relating to the

1379
02:41:47,020 --> 02:41:51,200
conflict of interest and code of ethics ordinance, Section 2-8.8 of the code

1380
02:41:51,200 --> 02:41:56,980
relating to fair subcontracting practices, Section 2-8.1.1.1.1 of the code

1381
02:41:56,980 --> 02:42:04,980
relating to the Small Business Enterprise Services Program, Section 2-8.1.1.1.1.2 of the code relating to the Small Business Enterprise

1382
02:42:04,980 --> 02:42:26,940
Goats Program, Section 2-8.1.1 of the code relating to Bids from later parties in bid collusion, and Section 10-3302.1 of the code relating to Bids,

1383
02:42:26,940 --> 02:42:29,240
report. Those are your first reading items.

1384
02:42:29,620 --> 02:42:30,160
All right, Madam.

1385
02:42:30,980 --> 02:42:33,020
Attorney, we have some bifurcations, right?

1386
02:42:33,020 --> 02:42:39,060
We have 4B and 14A5 through 14A8.

1387
02:42:39,060 --> 02:42:40,660
And 14A1 as well.

1388
02:42:40,740 --> 02:42:43,140
And 14A1 as well.

1389
02:42:43,880 --> 02:42:43,920
Okay.

1390
02:42:43,960 --> 02:42:44,640
Mr. Chair.

1391
02:42:44,940 --> 02:42:46,460
Commissioner, who's that?

1392
02:42:46,920 --> 02:42:47,480
Commissioner Regalado?

1393
02:42:47,980 --> 02:42:51,150
Yeah, I pulled the procurement ones.

1394
02:42:51,960 --> 02:42:53,300
I guess 14A5.

1395
02:42:54,280 --> 02:42:55,020
14A8.

1396
02:42:58,540 --> 02:43:17,300
Okay, so 14, a 5 through 14, a 8 released and you need to pull something for E for D. All right, so show Commissioner Cohen Higgins pulling for D can have a motion on the rest of the first reading items.

1397
02:43:17,300 --> 02:43:18,260
Mr. Chair.

1398
02:43:18,780 --> 02:43:18,900
Yes.

1399
02:43:19,040 --> 02:43:19,540
I believe.

1400
02:43:20,920 --> 02:43:21,080
Commissioner.

1401
02:43:21,380 --> 02:43:26,140
I had Commissioner Reglado noted as also pulling 14A1, it appears to you did not.

1402
02:43:27,000 --> 02:43:28,560
So you may want to add that.

1403
02:43:28,660 --> 02:43:28,880
Okay.

1404
02:43:28,980 --> 02:43:31,000
So 14A1 is part of the motion now.

1405
02:43:31,360 --> 02:43:31,620
All right.

1406
02:43:31,780 --> 02:43:34,180
So Commissioner Gonzales moves the rest of the items.

1407
02:43:34,860 --> 02:43:38,160
But for 4B and 4D, it's been seconded by Commissioner Lopez.

1408
02:43:39,320 --> 02:43:41,400
Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

1409
02:43:42,320 --> 02:43:43,140
Commissioner Bastien.

1410
02:43:43,520 --> 02:43:43,820
Yes.

1411
02:43:44,440 --> 02:43:45,120
Commissioner Bermuda.

1412
02:43:45,380 --> 02:43:45,760
Yes.

1413
02:43:45,760 --> 02:43:52,740
Commissioner Cohen Higgins, Senator Garcia, Commissioner Gilbert, Commissioner Gonzalez,

1414
02:43:53,780 --> 02:44:00,400
Commissioner Lopez, Commissioner Miliano Orbis, Commissioner Regalado, Commissioner Steinberg,

1415
02:44:01,300 --> 02:44:02,720
Vice Chairman McGee.

1416
02:44:04,320 --> 02:44:04,980
Chairman Rodriguez.

1417
02:44:05,380 --> 02:44:05,980
I vote yes.

1418
02:44:06,240 --> 02:44:07,300
Motion passes unanimously.

1419
02:44:07,640 --> 02:44:13,880
Okay, Senator Garcia, on 4B, you can't discuss it, so are you just trying to vote

1420
02:44:13,880 --> 02:44:20,120
on it or. No, Mr. Chairman. I want to try to wave the rules to make sure this is placed on the

1421
02:44:20,120 --> 02:44:24,760
you know the following agenda September 22nd. This is the hospital funding bill that we've done

1422
02:44:24,760 --> 02:44:28,740
previous times or because of archa-constrained time. Yes. I'll make sure it's on the agenda for the next one.

1423
02:44:28,780 --> 02:44:33,920
That's okay. So what meeting exactly did you want it to go on? The September 2nd meeting.

1424
02:44:34,080 --> 02:44:39,660
September 2nd. Okay. And we can do 15 B1, which is a public hearing notification. That'll be great.

1425
02:44:39,660 --> 02:44:44,420
okay so you'll move you'll move for B for the September 2nd meeting with all the proper

1426
02:44:44,420 --> 02:44:49,620
notices madam attorney. Mr. Chair we can do that motion separate as a procedural motion

1427
02:44:49,620 --> 02:44:55,180
for being needs to be approved first. Okay so then we can do those motion separate. Senator Garcia moves

1428
02:44:55,180 --> 02:44:59,060
for B. Seconded by Regalado. Clerk please call the roll.

1429
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:03,460
It's for a peace substitute or a peace substitute, please call the roll.

1430
02:45:03,760 --> 02:45:10,260
Commissioner Bramures? Yes. Commissioner Coen Higgins, for another Garcia, Commissioner Gilbert,

1431
02:45:10,960 --> 02:45:18,220
Commissioner Gonzalez, Commissioner Lopez, Commissioner Milian Norbes, Commissioner Regalado, Commissioner

1432
02:45:18,220 --> 02:45:25,860
Steinberg, Commissioner Bastien, Vice Chairman McGee, Chairman Rodriguez, motion passes unanimously.

1433
02:45:25,860 --> 02:45:30,100
Senator, I understand the September meeting, the first one is September 1st.

1434
02:45:30,380 --> 02:45:37,320
So you want to make a motion at this time to wave the rules, or what not, and so move to

1435
02:45:37,320 --> 02:45:38,160
September 1st meeting.

1436
02:45:38,580 --> 02:45:39,860
It's been moved by Senator Garcia.

1437
02:45:40,120 --> 02:45:41,020
We've got to go ahead.

1438
02:45:41,880 --> 02:45:42,000
Jerry?

1439
02:45:42,820 --> 02:45:44,320
And we go ahead and read that motion.

1440
02:45:45,240 --> 02:45:45,800
Go ahead.

1441
02:45:46,200 --> 02:45:50,480
Senator Garcia moves to, once it's been the rules, the boards rules the procedure in a way

1442
02:45:50,480 --> 02:45:56,460
committee review as to item 4B substitute to amend item 15B1 to set public hearing and second

1443
02:45:56,460 --> 02:46:01,560
reading on item 4B substitute at the September 1, 2026 Board County Commissioners meeting.

1444
02:46:02,060 --> 02:46:05,020
Three direct the agenda coordinator set of appropriate notices and four direct the

1445
02:46:05,020 --> 02:46:08,200
click of the board to publish all necessary notices relating to this item.

1446
02:46:08,780 --> 02:46:12,200
We have a motion by Senator Garcia, seconded by Commissioner Lopez, all in favor of the

1447
02:46:12,200 --> 02:46:13,500
motion signify by say aye.

1448
02:46:14,180 --> 02:46:15,180
All opposed nay.

1449
02:46:15,180 --> 02:46:20,360
Sure, it passed, Eddie, can you read my motion along the same lines as well?

1450
02:46:20,480 --> 02:46:21,400
The fourth one is an appointment.

1451
02:46:21,540 --> 02:46:25,120
Chairman Rodriguez moves to, once to spend the board's rules of procedure and wave committee review,

1452
02:46:25,120 --> 02:46:32,560
as to items 1485, 1486, 1487 and 1488, to amend item 15b1 to schedule the public hearing,

1453
02:46:33,120 --> 02:46:36,220
and second reading for these items at the September 1st,

1454
02:46:36,520 --> 02:46:39,920
2026 board meeting, and three, direct the clerk of the board to publish on a

1455
02:46:39,920 --> 02:46:41,520
necessary notices where they'd into these items.

1456
02:46:41,520 --> 02:46:41,960
All right.

1457
02:46:42,160 --> 02:46:47,920
Show it moved by Commissioner Conegan, seconded by Commissioner Steinberg, all in favor

1458
02:46:47,920 --> 02:46:57,660
signify by say Nye, all opposed nay, all right, Commissioner McGee moves for D, seconded

1459
02:46:57,660 --> 02:47:06,340
by Commissioner Gilbert, and I know you're by-for-cated, but you can't speak on it, so

1460
02:47:06,340 --> 02:47:08,020
clerk, please call the roll.

1461
02:47:08,020 --> 02:47:10,640
Commissioner Cohen Higgins? No.

1462
02:47:12,080 --> 02:47:12,840
Senator Garcia.

1463
02:47:14,800 --> 02:47:15,540
Commissioner Gilbert?

1464
02:47:17,580 --> 02:47:18,620
I'm sorry.

1465
02:47:19,980 --> 02:47:20,700
Commissioner Gonzalez?

1466
02:47:22,700 --> 02:47:22,940
Four.

1467
02:47:23,960 --> 02:47:24,700
Commissioner Lopez?

1468
02:47:25,900 --> 02:47:26,960
Commissioner Mediana Orbes?

1469
02:47:28,020 --> 02:47:28,820
Commissioner Regalado?

1470
02:47:29,160 --> 02:47:29,400
Yes.

1471
02:47:29,760 --> 02:47:30,580
Commissioner Steinberg?

1472
02:47:31,720 --> 02:47:32,480
Commissioner Bastien?

1473
02:47:33,340 --> 02:47:34,400
Commissioner Bermutis?

1474
02:47:34,480 --> 02:47:34,780
Yes.

1475
02:47:35,360 --> 02:47:36,320
Vice Chairman McGee?

1476
02:47:36,660 --> 02:47:36,900
Yes.

1477
02:47:38,000 --> 02:47:38,540
Chairman Rodriguez?

1478
02:47:38,540 --> 02:47:45,100
I vote yes. Motion passes 11 to one. All right. Thank you very much that concludes our first reading items

1479
02:47:46,020 --> 02:47:47,060
Madam attorney

1480
02:47:50,390 --> 02:47:52,030
I will recognize

1481
02:47:54,170 --> 02:47:54,690
first

1482
02:47:55,950 --> 02:48:00,070
I'll go I'm going to go ahead and recognize commissioner Gilbert for a motion

1483
02:48:00,710 --> 02:48:05,490
I was going to start somewhere else but we'll start there. Commissioner Gilbert you recognize to make a motion

1484
02:48:05,490 --> 02:48:11,490
and thank you, Mr. Chairman, if the attorneys can come forward, I have a motion to reconsider

1485
02:48:12,370 --> 02:48:19,450
only port item that we decided last meeting. There are some technical changes that came

1486
02:48:19,450 --> 02:48:24,670
to light after we engage the consultant, the expert that we need to make, and so I'm going

1487
02:48:24,670 --> 02:48:27,510
to make the motion to reconsider. I'll give it to the attorneys to read.

1488
02:48:35,030 --> 02:48:35,470
Commissioner

1489
02:48:35,470 --> 02:48:38,150
and move to reconsider seconded by Commissioner Regalado.

1490
02:48:40,130 --> 02:48:42,190
Oh, seconded by Commissioner Coyne Higgins.

1491
02:48:42,890 --> 02:48:45,630
I just heard, I just heard, I was a little congested.

1492
02:48:45,630 --> 02:48:46,630
They don't have to be like.

1493
02:48:47,310 --> 02:48:49,450
I thought it was a good day, they don't have to be like that.

1494
02:48:49,530 --> 02:48:51,030
No, no, no, not today.

1495
02:48:51,410 --> 02:48:53,730
I mean, not today, say, we got a motion.

1496
02:48:53,810 --> 02:48:55,030
We have a second by Commissioner Coyne Higgins.

1497
02:48:55,190 --> 02:48:57,110
All in favor of the reconsideration signify by say,

1498
02:48:57,270 --> 02:49:00,630
and I, all opposed, nay, short reconsidered.

1499
02:49:00,630 --> 02:49:00,970
Thank you.

1500
02:49:00,970 --> 02:49:03,550
Now that it's before us, I've moved the item as amended.

1501
02:49:03,550 --> 02:49:05,430
and we have some technical amendments.

1502
02:49:05,430 --> 02:49:07,010
I think it's been filed with the clerk.

1503
02:49:07,450 --> 02:49:08,470
Attorney's going to read the amendment.

1504
02:49:09,250 --> 02:49:10,830
Mr. Chair, are we going to have it?

1505
02:49:11,250 --> 02:49:12,090
We're going to read it to us.

1506
02:49:12,390 --> 02:49:14,030
Mr. Chair, are you going to wait till you recognize?

1507
02:49:14,150 --> 02:49:14,790
Commissioner Regala?

1508
02:49:15,590 --> 02:49:16,690
Yeah. I just asked them to read it.

1509
02:49:16,690 --> 02:49:18,070
I literally said that before you.

1510
02:49:18,330 --> 02:49:20,810
Still wanted to hear yourself say it on the microphone.

1511
02:49:22,390 --> 02:49:22,570
All right.

1512
02:49:22,810 --> 02:49:24,710
Go ahead if you're going to read the amendment.

1513
02:49:25,130 --> 02:49:28,850
Commissioner Gilbert moves to amend legislator number 2610762.

1514
02:49:29,030 --> 02:49:32,350
One replace exhibits A and B with new exhibits A and B that have been filed with the clerk.

1515
02:49:32,350 --> 02:49:38,470
to make a corresponding amendment to the second resettle on page mdc012 to reference the revised exhibits A and B.

1516
02:49:38,750 --> 02:49:42,190
Three incorporate the amendments previously approved regarding outside council and four authorized

1517
02:49:42,190 --> 02:49:47,170
the mayor mayors to correct skriveners errors in the legal descriptions and sketches provided that no such corrections

1518
02:49:47,170 --> 02:49:49,470
all through the property interest to be acquired.

1519
02:49:50,430 --> 02:49:50,530
All right.

1520
02:49:50,690 --> 02:49:51,310
We have a motion.

1521
02:49:51,470 --> 02:49:52,030
The amendment.

1522
02:49:52,430 --> 02:49:53,210
We have a second.

1523
02:49:53,510 --> 02:49:53,690
Thank you.

1524
02:49:54,150 --> 02:49:55,870
Thank you.

1525
02:49:57,070 --> 02:49:58,250
Just for the record.

1526
02:49:58,470 --> 02:49:59,970
I know that last time this item.

1527
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:23,800
The reason it was before us is because we were amending the legal description. So now we are amending the legal description. Again, is this making it smaller or bigger because we have a few easements on here. There's a different description. But does this increase the footprint that we had from the prior item or decrease it?

1528
02:50:23,980 --> 02:50:27,660
The attorneys are recognized to answer the question. It's the same easement.

1529
02:50:28,460 --> 02:50:29,940
So it's just ownership?

1530
02:50:30,980 --> 02:50:40,060
No, there's a discrepancy between the easement that should be clarified for our benefit

1531
02:50:40,060 --> 02:50:44,300
really during the litigation, but the intention is not to change the easement that's been

1532
02:50:44,300 --> 02:50:44,620
used.

1533
02:50:44,740 --> 02:50:47,420
So it's the same as what's been used all along.

1534
02:50:48,580 --> 02:50:55,080
So in terms of the size of the parcel, we're still staying within the existing footprint

1535
02:50:55,080 --> 02:51:00,520
of what we need for the fuel facility which was the prior amendment that is correct thank you

1536
02:51:00,780 --> 02:51:07,780
all right with that all in favor of the motion signify by say and I I'll oppose me

1537
02:51:07,780 --> 02:51:21,920
you'll know so that item pass with two no votes all right now I will take up 70 the

1538
02:51:21,920 --> 02:51:23,320
teletractor application.

1539
02:51:24,820 --> 02:51:28,300
Madam attorney, let's go ahead and take that item.

1540
02:51:30,680 --> 02:51:32,940
Yes, Mr. Chair, I need to read this title one second.

1541
02:51:33,420 --> 02:51:35,020
Yep, you got your time.

1542
02:51:38,800 --> 02:51:41,700
70s and ordinance relating to Miami-Daconian Comprehensive

1543
02:51:41,700 --> 02:51:43,100
Development Master Plan providing

1544
02:51:43,100 --> 02:51:46,760
disposition of application number CDMP-202313

1545
02:51:46,760 --> 02:51:49,520
located west of northwest 137 in Avenue.

1546
02:51:50,360 --> 02:51:52,980
And so SR-836 interchange and north side

1547
02:51:52,980 --> 02:51:54,860
of theoretical north west six street file

1548
02:51:54,860 --> 02:51:59,260
by Kelly Trichor Company in the May 2023 cycle to amend the county's comprehensive

1549
02:51:59,260 --> 02:52:03,520
development master plan, providing suburbility, exclusion from the code, and an effective

1550
02:52:03,520 --> 02:52:04,220
date.

1551
02:52:06,480 --> 02:52:06,560
All right.

1552
02:52:06,720 --> 02:52:09,760
And we have, was that the supplement and second supplement as well?

1553
02:52:10,360 --> 02:52:11,800
That's, with its three supplements.

1554
02:52:13,360 --> 02:52:15,240
And, all right.

1555
02:52:15,740 --> 02:52:19,080
So I have the item before us, public hearing has been had on this item already.

1556
02:52:20,600 --> 02:52:21,520
Do I have a motion?

1557
02:52:21,780 --> 02:52:22,280
I have a motion.

1558
02:52:22,280 --> 02:52:27,680
Commissioner Bermutis moves the item, seconded by Commissioner Gonzales. Any discussion on it?

1559
02:52:28,260 --> 02:52:29,700
Yes. Commissioner Regalado, you recognized.

1560
02:52:30,240 --> 02:52:36,720
Thank you. I just want to walk through the changes. I know that we've discussed this item a lot

1561
02:52:36,720 --> 02:52:41,340
and I don't want to belabor the point, but I think that the changes that we've made to date

1562
02:52:41,880 --> 02:52:47,920
have really changed dramatically. This item and I hope that the board will consider

1563
02:52:48,960 --> 02:52:57,400
these requirements in the future, because I think that it's a way for us to change the conversation in terms of preservation.

1564
02:52:58,520 --> 02:53:03,720
So first and foremost, obviously, I filed the item to change the tax amendment.

1565
02:53:03,720 --> 02:53:07,480
I think most of us were concerned that the tax amendment was going to be abused.

1566
02:53:08,120 --> 02:53:13,440
So I hope that this is the last one that we see that chooses that vehicle without the parameters.

1567
02:53:13,440 --> 02:53:19,520
That being said, as part of this application, we've added a lot of those parameters, even though

1568
02:53:19,520 --> 02:53:23,160
the tax amendment did not require them.

1569
02:53:23,160 --> 02:53:27,000
And I want to thank the applicant for walking through that with us.

1570
02:53:27,060 --> 02:53:34,020
For those of you who had the opportunity to read the final memo by staff, we do have staff

1571
02:53:34,020 --> 02:53:37,680
in favor of a lot of the changes that we've made.

1572
02:53:38,300 --> 02:53:43,420
So first and foremost, I think one of the lessons learned from this application is

1573
02:53:43,420 --> 02:53:51,640
is that land that is coveted can later many years later after it is preserved, there could

1574
02:53:51,640 --> 02:53:56,340
be a request to remove that coveted and one of the things that this new application is

1575
02:53:56,340 --> 02:54:05,380
doing is we're asking for ownership by the county specifically for those properties and I

1576
02:54:05,380 --> 02:54:10,800
think that that is the best path forward. I think if we truly believe that these lands are important,

1577
02:54:10,800 --> 02:54:15,200
We're asking a developer to preserve and restore them.

1578
02:54:15,400 --> 02:54:21,020
We should have ownership and one of the things that this application does is not only grant ownership

1579
02:54:21,620 --> 02:54:28,000
to the county should the county want it because there could be a world in which the county does not want the preserve land.

1580
02:54:28,520 --> 02:54:35,180
But it also has a maintenance fee baked into the agreement.

1581
02:54:35,180 --> 02:54:55,020
So, if we could just have a clarification from the applicant as to how that would work because as many of you know our EO program is desperately underfunded, this would then go under the EO portfolio and we want to make sure that EO has the ability to maintain it properly.

1582
02:54:55,020 --> 02:54:58,120
It's short commissioner through the chair.

1583
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:20,940
If I may, so I just wanted to clarify, so we have two options. We can maintain it ourselves to alleviate some of that burden on eel. Otherwise, we would provide some sort of funding mechanism to make sure that this is taking care of perpetually, but the applicant is open to doing that maintenance themselves on that land.

1584
02:55:21,660 --> 02:55:25,180
I understand, and that's if the county rejects ownership, right?

1585
02:55:25,180 --> 02:55:30,980
So we're saying the application now says that if the county has the ability to reject

1586
02:55:30,980 --> 02:55:35,440
ownership, if the county decides not to do it, then you have the obligation to preserve

1587
02:55:36,040 --> 02:55:38,760
it, but I really want the county to own it.

1588
02:55:38,940 --> 02:55:45,200
I think that that's the best path forward for us on page 12 of the declaration of restrictions.

1589
02:55:45,200 --> 02:55:52,500
And for those who are watching, I just want to say this information is in the actual

1590
02:55:52,500 --> 02:56:02,060
Covenant. It's on page 13. But on page 12, number 7, for the preservation area. So we're

1591
02:56:02,060 --> 02:56:07,860
talking about two different, two different parcels, right? We're talking about the existing

1592
02:56:07,860 --> 02:56:14,280
preservation area. And number 7 says, if the owner wishes to convey the preservation area to

1593
02:56:14,280 --> 02:56:18,820
county, the owner shall convey the preservation area at no cost of the county and provide a

1594
02:56:18,820 --> 02:56:22,800
fund the mechanism that fully funds the long-term maintenance of the preservation area, correct?

1595
02:56:24,200 --> 02:56:32,160
That's what you have on 12. That is correct. Okay. I would like it to be the inverse just as it is

1596
02:56:32,160 --> 02:56:38,600
in the next page. The next page has the owner shall dedicate and convey these additional off-site

1597
02:56:38,600 --> 02:56:43,660
wetland preservation areas to Miami-Date County's EO program at no cost to Miami-Date County

1598
02:56:43,660 --> 02:56:50,180
and in natural state free of exotic vegetation. So in seven, I would like the same. I

1599
02:56:50,180 --> 02:56:54,500
don't want the owner to decide if they're going to give the preservation areas to EO. I want

1600
02:56:54,500 --> 02:57:00,660
EO to have the right of first refusal. If I think EO wants them, if EO doesn't want them, then the

1601
02:57:00,660 --> 02:57:06,620
owner would then maintain them and preserve them. So can we have that same language that we have

1602
02:57:06,620 --> 02:57:14,580
page 13 on page 12. Yes, that's fine. Wonderful. Thank you. On page 14, we also added

1603
02:57:15,620 --> 02:57:21,040
if there is a need for a pump station that is required for water and sewer agreement on the

1604
02:57:21,040 --> 02:57:26,860
requested property, the owner of shall install a public sanitary sewer pump station at the owner's

1605
02:57:26,860 --> 02:57:32,160
expense to provide service to the proposed development subject to any apical RER and to session.

1606
02:57:32,160 --> 02:57:35,760
So we have the pump station. Should we need it later?

1607
02:57:38,580 --> 02:57:49,800
The one issue that's on here that's not on here that I think is important. Well, let me get to the another easy one on page 16 11 community education and training program.

1608
02:57:50,060 --> 02:57:59,880
I want to thank you. It's very robust. It reflects a lot of the meetings that we had in terms of how we want to use this site for economic development specifically for training.

1609
02:57:59,880 --> 02:58:12,920
But I take issue with one word in the third sentence we say with the first owner agrees to create and are participate in a educational and training program available to post secondary and high school students in Miami D County, which may include

1610
02:58:12,920 --> 02:58:18,980
But shall not be limited to neurodivergent individuals can we make that may or must because that's what we talked about.

1611
02:58:19,420 --> 02:58:20,720
Okay. Thank you.

1612
02:58:21,980 --> 02:58:24,480
Now going back to

1613
02:58:28,580 --> 02:58:30,640
Page 15

1614
02:58:32,360 --> 02:58:37,540
One of the reasons that this application is so different from everything else that this board

1615
02:58:37,540 --> 02:58:44,120
has seen is because of Kelly's involvement in our emergency response at all levels.

1616
02:58:44,760 --> 02:58:52,660
And in page 15, paragraph 10, we speak about the county emergency management.

1617
02:58:58,200 --> 02:59:08,580
Is it possible to give Miami-Dade County government a priority in terms of access to

1618
02:59:08,580 --> 02:59:10,840
Kelly equipment should there be an emergency?

1619
02:59:11,060 --> 02:59:13,400
Because I know you guys get a draw from everyone.

1620
02:59:14,020 --> 02:59:15,860
Is that something that we can bacon?

1621
02:59:17,620 --> 02:59:22,260
I know I would say it would be as long as we're not violating existing contracts.

1622
02:59:23,060 --> 02:59:23,600
That's okay.

1623
02:59:24,100 --> 02:59:33,080
And this is important folks because whenever we have a hurricane or anything, everyone draws, we know what's happen with the last few storms, we're going to be talking about trash and trash pick up later.

1624
02:59:33,540 --> 02:59:44,300
But I want our counties response teams to have first priority when it comes to Kelly and access to the infrastructure that is so necessary during emergency response.

1625
02:59:46,300 --> 02:59:50,080
The Wetland Mitigation Program, I think, is very good.

1626
02:59:51,120 --> 02:59:57,680
I really want to thank you all for spending the time with us to work through how to include

1627
02:59:59,360 --> 02:59:59,980
the W-

1628
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:10,740
I had a while left corridor. I really believe that this is something that others should consider when we look at these types of plans.

1629
03:00:12,040 --> 03:00:29,600
And then finally, I know we had some back and forth, and I want to thank staff for also requiring it. We're not double dipping here on mitigation, right? So it's separate in a part. You're going to use other land for your storm water.

1630
03:00:30,000 --> 03:00:36,760
to the board in terms of the preservation area and the mitigation that we're requiring.

1631
03:00:38,060 --> 03:00:43,440
I want to read a part to you because it was important when we were negotiating it.

1632
03:00:43,440 --> 03:00:56,900
And I think it's also something that we should consider moving forward when we talk about replicating these requirements and other applications on

1633
03:01:03,720 --> 03:01:05,600
page 13.

1634
03:01:10,080 --> 03:01:14,780
The owners shall dedicate and convey these additional off-site wetlands preservation areas to

1635
03:01:14,780 --> 03:01:18,420
Miami-D County EO program and no cost to Miami-D County and the natural state or free and

1636
03:01:18,420 --> 03:01:19,620
exotic vegetation.

1637
03:01:19,920 --> 03:01:20,800
We talked about that.

1638
03:01:21,020 --> 03:01:22,480
But this is the part that I think is important.

1639
03:01:22,740 --> 03:01:25,120
The owner agrees to provide a funding mechanism.

1640
03:01:29,000 --> 03:01:30,340
Everybody okay over here?

1641
03:01:31,640 --> 03:01:36,020
The owner agrees to provide a funding mechanism that fully funds the maintenance of the off-site

1642
03:01:36,020 --> 03:01:41,220
wetland preservation areas and perpetuity and any other obligation of such off-site wetland

1643
03:01:41,220 --> 03:01:44,140
preservation area should the county and its discretion

1644
03:01:44,140 --> 03:01:47,400
alike not to accept such that occasion the owner shall record a

1645
03:01:47,400 --> 03:01:51,340
restrictive covenant and the other thing that was required

1646
03:01:51,340 --> 03:01:54,860
here that we talked about I think it was in the second time

1647
03:01:54,860 --> 03:01:58,480
this application came to us is that the mitigation weather

1648
03:01:58,480 --> 03:02:02,640
provided in land to the county or by mitigation credits will be

1649
03:02:02,640 --> 03:02:06,140
in Miami County. This is not mitigation land that's going to occur

1650
03:02:06,140 --> 03:02:10,140
in Orlando or North Florida. This is the first time that we're

1651
03:02:10,140 --> 03:02:12,140
everything in Miami-Dade County.

1652
03:02:13,060 --> 03:02:17,040
So to my colleagues, this is a very different application

1653
03:02:17,040 --> 03:02:18,660
from what was presented to us.

1654
03:02:18,940 --> 03:02:21,580
I think that Kelly is unique.

1655
03:02:21,900 --> 03:02:23,520
I think it's a tax amendment.

1656
03:02:23,620 --> 03:02:25,680
I think we've cleared up the issues of a tax amendment.

1657
03:02:26,140 --> 03:02:27,260
We're not moving the line.

1658
03:02:27,680 --> 03:02:31,460
Currently, this land has been, as has been mentioned,

1659
03:02:32,260 --> 03:02:33,820
what is preserved, we're preserving.

1660
03:02:34,120 --> 03:02:37,860
But there's an entire area out there that has not been restored

1661
03:02:37,860 --> 03:02:44,260
is not being preserved and will be preserved because of this. This now, when we own it, there's

1662
03:02:44,260 --> 03:02:49,700
a dramatic change in our ability to actually do BCCR. So we talk a lot about BCCR, but we don't

1663
03:02:49,700 --> 03:02:56,300
do BCCR as, as the owner of these properties now, the county can go to the federal government

1664
03:02:56,300 --> 03:02:59,320
and ask to start working on this basin.

1665
03:03:01,900 --> 03:03:05,360
So with that, I would like to move as amended.

1666
03:03:05,360 --> 03:03:15,440
All right. We have a, well, we had a motion, right, to move it by Bermuda, seconded by

1667
03:03:16,460 --> 03:03:22,500
gober, and now there's an amendment. They made amendments, so just as long as the motion says as amended.

1668
03:03:22,860 --> 03:03:26,300
Okay, so the motion is as amended. Commissioner Bermuda is your good with that. Yep.

1669
03:03:26,780 --> 03:03:30,700
All right, so go ahead, Abby.

1670
03:03:32,720 --> 03:03:36,520
Mr. Chair, if I can just confirm the original motion, it would be

1671
03:03:36,520 --> 03:03:42,080
a motion to adopt per staff recommendation with the various changes that have been outlined

1672
03:03:42,080 --> 03:03:44,280
in staff's memorandums.

1673
03:03:45,920 --> 03:03:54,580
With the acceptance of the proper covenant and with the ten calendar days, the ten-day

1674
03:03:54,580 --> 03:03:59,880
condition to provide an executed sufficient covenant of a unit of title.

1675
03:03:59,880 --> 03:04:08,240
So, then my understanding is there's, well, I would just, there were amendments in addition to that.

1676
03:04:10,020 --> 03:04:10,100
Okay.

1677
03:04:10,600 --> 03:04:12,480
All right. So, are we good?

1678
03:04:13,180 --> 03:04:14,080
I'm sorry, Abby.

1679
03:04:14,400 --> 03:04:17,640
Your lead attorney is whispering in my ear, so.

1680
03:04:18,700 --> 03:04:20,440
Did you say something that needed my attention?

1681
03:04:21,620 --> 03:04:22,120
I apologize.

1682
03:04:22,700 --> 03:04:25,580
No, Mr. Chair, I was just restating the motion for the record.

1683
03:04:25,700 --> 03:04:25,940
All right.

1684
03:04:25,940 --> 03:04:30,720
All right, so that said, I have no further discussion on the item.

1685
03:04:30,900 --> 03:04:35,940
It is moved as amended with all the different amendments and motions and all the good stuff.

1686
03:04:38,680 --> 03:04:41,160
We have a second by Commissioner Gilbert.

1687
03:04:41,480 --> 03:04:43,700
Commissioner Fimer, are you wanting to be recognized?

1688
03:04:44,480 --> 03:04:47,480
Briefly, while I appreciate the amendments, I will remain a note.

1689
03:04:47,700 --> 03:04:48,440
Thank you.

1690
03:04:49,180 --> 03:04:49,440
All right,

1691
03:04:52,320 --> 03:04:53,760
so clerk, let's call the roll.

1692
03:04:55,180 --> 03:04:56,040
Hold on, hold on.

1693
03:04:56,040 --> 03:04:59,220
just so we can have a clarification of the of the acreage.

1694
03:05:00,690 --> 03:05:04,250
That the county could potentially own just so we have it on the record.

1695
03:05:08,970 --> 03:05:10,290
That's to the applicant.

1696
03:05:13,460 --> 03:05:24,340
So for the the acreage, that's in the paragraph one second, that's in paragraph five, the off-site

1697
03:05:24,340 --> 03:05:32,720
preservationary is the total at least 20 acres okay and then mitigation and then

1698
03:05:32,720 --> 03:05:37,680
mitigation and mitigation we don't know we do not know at this point yes thank

1699
03:05:37,680 --> 03:05:45,680
you all right so Madam Attorney because I'm just doing a I'm just doing a

1700
03:05:46,260 --> 03:05:55,760
a chorom count yeah of sorts I don't think we have the the sufficient members in the

1701
03:05:55,760 --> 03:05:58,540
to take a vote based on requirements.

1702
03:05:58,900 --> 03:06:02,600
I know that we need nine votes for this in general.

1703
03:06:02,940 --> 03:06:05,420
And I can see it based on the history of this.

1704
03:06:05,620 --> 03:06:07,020
And we've said, some have already said.

1705
03:06:08,140 --> 03:06:12,900
So can I, I don't know, formally, officially say table.

1706
03:06:13,040 --> 03:06:14,740
But can I move on to the rest of the agenda

1707
03:06:14,740 --> 03:06:17,180
and then come back to this at a later time?

1708
03:06:17,800 --> 03:06:18,020
Yeah.

1709
03:06:18,860 --> 03:06:19,200
Yes.

1710
03:06:19,480 --> 03:06:22,660
And then my question to you is because we do have a very long agenda

1711
03:06:22,660 --> 03:06:24,200
and I know some folks do need to leave.

1712
03:06:24,200 --> 03:06:30,300
If we don't get to this item today, does it automatically roll over to my next agenda?

1713
03:06:35,630 --> 03:06:39,890
Yes, that's okay. I want to try to get it to today, but just in case we're in a time.

1714
03:06:40,290 --> 03:06:41,090
So, all right.

1715
03:06:41,310 --> 03:06:43,550
That said, I know that we had a lot of good conversation.

1716
03:06:43,710 --> 03:06:44,530
Commissioner Regalado.

1717
03:06:45,130 --> 03:06:47,750
Thank you for all of that. The motion still stand and all of that.

1718
03:06:47,830 --> 03:06:53,770
But we're going to move on to the next to the rest of our agenda just because I don't have enough members.

1719
03:06:54,070 --> 03:06:54,790
I can see it.

1720
03:06:54,790 --> 03:06:55,970
Let's chime in.

1721
03:06:55,970 --> 03:06:56,890
Commissioner Gilberl, may you recognize.

1722
03:06:57,130 --> 03:07:02,230
I'd like to commend Commissioner Regalado on the works you put on this.

1723
03:07:02,990 --> 03:07:03,810
That's. Thank you very much.

1724
03:07:03,830 --> 03:07:05,350
Oh, that's okay.

1725
03:07:05,490 --> 03:07:07,550
Is that a new congressman type of behavior?

1726
03:07:09,930 --> 03:07:10,450
Sure is not.

1727
03:07:10,730 --> 03:07:11,890
No, no. Not at all.

1728
03:07:12,750 --> 03:07:15,470
No. He knows that if he doesn't thank me, I get upset later.

1729
03:07:16,250 --> 03:07:16,410
So.

1730
03:07:17,070 --> 03:07:17,890
So you?

1731
03:07:18,070 --> 03:07:19,150
How's the reinforcements?

1732
03:07:19,250 --> 03:07:19,850
Got upset now.

1733
03:07:19,950 --> 03:07:20,670
I got upset later.

1734
03:07:20,930 --> 03:07:21,610
I love it.

1735
03:07:21,850 --> 03:07:22,110
All right.

1736
03:07:22,170 --> 03:07:24,110
Let's move into public hearing

1737
03:07:24,110 --> 03:07:30,510
Madam Attorney or Mr. Attorney, if you can read all of the public hearing items, and once

1738
03:07:30,510 --> 03:07:33,330
you do, I'll go ahead and open up public hearing for the public.

1739
03:07:37,120 --> 03:07:37,880
Yes, Mr. Chair.

1740
03:07:37,900 --> 03:07:43,500
5A is a resolution renaming the Arcola Lakes Branch Library, the Doran D. Roll Library and

1741
03:07:43,500 --> 03:07:44,100
its supplement.

1742
03:07:45,820 --> 03:07:47,040
5B and C. were deferred.

1743
03:07:47,240 --> 03:07:51,660
5D is a ordinance relating to operation and micro mobility devices, electric bicycles,

1744
03:07:52,300 --> 03:07:56,060
and motorized scooters in the incorporated and incorporated areas of the county recreating

1745
03:07:56,060 --> 03:08:02,620
Section 2-98.3 of the code providing regulations for operation or micro mobility devices,

1746
03:08:03,060 --> 03:08:06,660
electric bicycles and motorized scooters on rights of way, providing for legislative

1747
03:08:06,660 --> 03:08:10,560
intent, applicability and definitions, providing mechanism for municipal enforcement

1748
03:08:10,560 --> 03:08:15,200
of regulations, providing for enforcement by civil penalty, providing sub-rebility, inclusion

1749
03:08:15,200 --> 03:08:17,140
in the code, and an effective date.

1750
03:08:17,400 --> 03:08:22,460
And it's supplement, 5E is an ordinance authorizing issuance of not to exceed $350 million

1751
03:08:22,460 --> 03:08:28,100
my Midec County floor to transit system sales certex revenue bonds, pursuant to section 208

1752
03:08:28,100 --> 03:08:33,420
ordinance number 0.548 is amended for paying costs of certain transportation and transit projects

1753
03:08:33,420 --> 03:08:37,520
providing that details terms, and other matters relating to such bonds including without

1754
03:08:37,520 --> 03:08:42,220
limitation the ability to issue such bonds as draw down bonds, under a draw down bond program

1755
03:08:42,220 --> 03:08:47,280
be determined in subsequent resolutions, authorizing undertaken of transit and transportation projects

1756
03:08:47,280 --> 03:08:51,780
and people's transportation plan, authorizing and directing county officers and agents to take

1757
03:08:51,780 --> 03:08:57,320
elections necessary to effectuate the purposes of this ordinance and ordinance number 0 548

1758
03:08:57,320 --> 03:09:01,020
as amended and providing some ability exclusion from the code and an effective date.

1759
03:09:01,340 --> 03:09:05,480
5F is an ordinance authorizing the issuance of MIMI Dick County capital asset acquisition

1760
03:09:05,480 --> 03:09:09,560
special obligation bonds from time to time and one of more series in an aggregate principle

1761
03:09:09,560 --> 03:09:14,980
amount, not to exceed $380 million for purpose of acquiring, constructing, improving, renovating,

1762
03:09:15,200 --> 03:09:19,000
and or equipping certain capital assets and our projects providing that details of said bonds

1763
03:09:19,000 --> 03:09:22,040
determined and one of more serious resolutions providing for

1764
03:09:22,040 --> 03:09:24,620
some ability exclusion from the code and an effective date.

1765
03:09:24,860 --> 03:09:26,940
5G is the resolution authorizing issuance of my

1766
03:09:26,940 --> 03:09:28,700
Midday County Florida, John obligation bonds,

1767
03:09:28,860 --> 03:09:30,080
building better communities in one of more

1768
03:09:30,080 --> 03:09:30,600
series.

1769
03:09:30,940 --> 03:09:33,120
In principle, I'm not to exceed $350 million.

1770
03:09:33,760 --> 03:09:35,220
For purpose of paying all our portion of

1771
03:09:35,220 --> 03:09:37,060
certain approved capital project costs and paying

1772
03:09:37,060 --> 03:09:39,220
cost of issuing bonds, pursuance of certain

1773
03:09:39,220 --> 03:09:41,580
terms and conditions, finding necessity for an

1774
03:09:41,580 --> 03:09:43,500
authorizing negotiated sales such funds.

1775
03:09:43,700 --> 03:09:45,760
5G is the resolution authorizing issuance of

1776
03:09:45,760 --> 03:09:51,020
to exceed $175 million of my major county florida public facilities revenue bonds, jacks and

1777
03:09:51,020 --> 03:09:54,760
health system in one or more series for paying cost of certain projects for jacks and health

1778
03:09:54,760 --> 03:09:58,840
system funding debt service reserve fund if necessary paying cost of insurance, authorizing

1779
03:09:58,840 --> 03:09:59,980
public sale of bonds.

1780
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:05,780
I competitive bid by Vice-Resp. Resolution authorizing issuance of not to exceed $700 million, agrega principal

1781
03:10:05,780 --> 03:10:10,780
amount of my meeting county floor to see poor revenue and refunding bonds in one of more

1782
03:10:10,780 --> 03:10:15,780
series on a senior basis to pay cost of certain additional improvements and capital expenditures

1783
03:10:15,780 --> 03:10:22,060
and to refund all the reports of commercial paper notes. 5J is a resolution authorizing issuance

1784
03:10:22,060 --> 03:10:27,500
of capital asset acquisition, special obligation bond series, 2020-6A. In agrega principal amount on

1785
03:10:27,500 --> 03:10:31,220
exceed $480 million to fund certain capital assets and or projects.

1786
03:10:31,780 --> 03:10:35,280
Providing that bond shall be payable solely from legally available non-advalorant revenues

1787
03:10:35,280 --> 03:10:37,660
of the county covenants to budget and appropriate annually.

1788
03:10:39,480 --> 03:10:44,460
5L is the ordinance approving adopting and ratifying non-advalorant assessment rules, rates,

1789
03:10:44,720 --> 03:10:45,480
and assessments.

1790
03:10:46,280 --> 03:10:49,740
For 219 certain street lighting special taxing districts in Miami,

1791
03:10:49,960 --> 03:10:50,620
Dake County, Florida.

1792
03:10:51,100 --> 03:10:56,260
For the fiscal year commencing October 1, 26, and ending September 30, 27, and providing

1793
03:10:56,260 --> 03:10:59,160
availability, excuse you from the code, and some effective date.

1794
03:10:59,460 --> 03:11:02,220
5M is an ordinance granting petition of DR Horton Inc.

1795
03:11:02,620 --> 03:11:05,840
For establishment of a community development district generally bound to the North by

1796
03:11:05,840 --> 03:11:11,340
Canal 103 South on the east by Southwest 167 Avenue, Tennessee Road, Southeast 12 Avenue

1797
03:11:11,340 --> 03:11:17,480
on the South by Southwest 3283, Lucy Street, Southeast 8 Street, and on the west by Southwest 172

1798
03:11:17,480 --> 03:11:19,660
Avenue, McMinn Road, Southeast 6 Avenue.

1799
03:11:20,120 --> 03:11:24,180
Creating an establishing, San Daryl Landing Community Development District, providing for

1800
03:11:24,180 --> 03:11:28,920
and duties, providing description and boundaries, providing initial members of Board of Supervisors

1801
03:11:28,920 --> 03:11:33,660
accepting proper declaration of restrictive governance, providing several ability, exclusion

1802
03:11:33,660 --> 03:11:35,860
from the code, and an effective date, and its supplement.

1803
03:11:36,520 --> 03:11:40,840
5N is in order to prove adopting a ratifying non-advalorment assessment role rates and assessments

1804
03:11:40,840 --> 03:11:44,880
for the solid-based collection service area of Miami-Date County Florida, commencing our

1805
03:11:44,880 --> 03:11:48,960
September 1, 2026, providing several ability, exclusion from the code, and an effective

1806
03:11:48,960 --> 03:11:49,520
date.

1807
03:11:49,520 --> 03:11:54,440
5O is a resolution of proving the waiver of Plata of 6301 Southwest 27th Street LLC,

1808
03:11:55,040 --> 03:11:58,920
5P is a resolution of proving the plot of my academy, 5P is a resolution of proving the

1809
03:11:58,920 --> 03:12:03,740
plot of QRT Northwest residences filed by Miami-Date County, 5R is a resolution

1810
03:12:03,740 --> 03:12:10,380
of proving the plot of Verdana East, 5S is a resolution of proving the waiver of Plata of A2's

1811
03:12:10,380 --> 03:12:15,340
the construction and remodel LLC, 5P is a resolution of proving the waiver of Plata of Habitat

1812
03:12:15,340 --> 03:12:17,180
for Humanity of Greater Miami Inc.

1813
03:12:17,380 --> 03:12:22,580
Five years of resolution proving the waiver of plat of 821-077-63 place, LLC.

1814
03:12:23,260 --> 03:12:27,480
Five years of resolution approving issuance by Arizona industrial development authority of

1815
03:12:27,480 --> 03:12:31,620
its revenue bonds in one or more series in an amount not to exceed $40 million dollars for

1816
03:12:31,620 --> 03:12:33,840
the benefit of true North Classical Academy Inc.

1817
03:12:34,460 --> 03:12:38,180
Those are your public hearing items, and at the appropriate time I do have some requests

1818
03:12:38,180 --> 03:12:38,860
to buy for Kate.

1819
03:12:40,100 --> 03:12:44,240
Thank you to the attorney at this time, we're going to open public hearing on all five items

1820
03:12:44,240 --> 03:12:47,600
and our agenda, do we night? If you can please approach,

1821
03:12:47,740 --> 03:12:49,680
tangible or door set, please approach,

1822
03:12:49,880 --> 03:12:52,420
carnal white, please approach. Sophia,

1823
03:12:52,600 --> 03:12:57,180
Amaya, please approach. I don't see anyone approaching,

1824
03:12:57,420 --> 03:12:59,940
public hearing is now open on our five

1825
03:12:59,940 --> 03:13:01,840
numbered items on our agenda.

1826
03:13:06,620 --> 03:13:08,780
To the clerk, we have a quasi-judicial item,

1827
03:13:09,100 --> 03:13:11,860
5T, we have a speaker at the appropriate time.

1828
03:13:12,160 --> 03:13:14,620
Please swear in, Miss Sophia, Amaya.

1829
03:13:22,340 --> 03:13:24,220
It's Sophia Amaya, President.

1830
03:13:28,760 --> 03:13:30,160
Don't see Sophia Amaya.

1831
03:13:30,420 --> 03:13:32,260
We'll see if she joins us during the public hearing.

1832
03:13:32,700 --> 03:13:35,100
To those names that I've called, you can approach the well.

1833
03:13:35,300 --> 03:13:36,080
You'll have one minute.

1834
03:13:36,280 --> 03:13:37,420
Please give us your name and your address.

1835
03:13:40,550 --> 03:13:41,430
Good morning, Commission.

1836
03:13:42,810 --> 03:13:44,330
My name is Tangela Dorset.

1837
03:13:45,310 --> 03:13:47,690
3249 Northwest 43rd Terrace.

1838
03:13:48,090 --> 03:13:49,830
Miami 33142.

1839
03:13:50,990 --> 03:13:51,350
Good morning.

1840
03:13:51,610 --> 03:13:53,610
Again, I'm the daughter of Commissioner,

1841
03:13:53,610 --> 03:13:55,870
during the World of the Late Commissioner.

1842
03:13:57,170 --> 03:14:01,750
On behalf of the entire role family, my sister with here,

1843
03:14:02,050 --> 03:14:04,730
he vet and my brother Damon, he couldn't make it.

1844
03:14:04,930 --> 03:14:08,710
We are extremely thankful and honored.

1845
03:14:09,150 --> 03:14:13,590
My dad enjoyed his tenure of service for the community.

1846
03:14:13,970 --> 03:14:14,770
He was a servant.

1847
03:14:15,170 --> 03:14:18,850
He was a leader and he was passionate about his work.

1848
03:14:19,130 --> 03:14:22,650
We look forward to the dedication of the ceremony of the library.

1849
03:14:22,650 --> 03:14:27,810
And in the words of the late commissioner role, commission, you done good.

1850
03:14:28,210 --> 03:14:28,890
Good.

1851
03:14:29,870 --> 03:14:30,690
You're done good.

1852
03:14:37,540 --> 03:14:38,740
My name is Carnell.

1853
03:14:39,040 --> 03:14:42,160
A white vote of 350 North West 33rd Avenue.

1854
03:14:42,460 --> 03:14:43,000
My name is Florida.

1855
03:14:44,040 --> 03:14:49,620
And I am so pleased and proud to be able to stand here today.

1856
03:14:49,820 --> 03:14:58,520
And seeing from a lot of Doddy and everybody that commissioner role was my dear friend.

1857
03:14:58,520 --> 03:14:59,800
My brother, my friend.

1858
03:15:00,500 --> 03:15:07,240
A colleague, we go back to the first time I saw him in 1966 on Florida and M. University's campus.

1859
03:15:08,760 --> 03:15:25,720
I appreciate you and thank you for doing this for honoring an honorable man. Commissioner, bastion, my commissioner, have you know, I'm yours.

1860
03:15:26,540 --> 03:15:34,040
You are my commissioner, position that he served in for many years, and I thank you for

1861
03:15:34,040 --> 03:15:34,920
sponsoring this.

1862
03:15:35,200 --> 03:15:40,180
I watch you from afar and sometimes close it and you know when you would back doing things

1863
03:15:40,180 --> 03:15:45,040
for the most vulnerable of our citizenry, thank you so very much.

1864
03:15:46,160 --> 03:15:46,780
Thank you, Mr. White.

1865
03:15:46,920 --> 03:15:47,740
Thank you so much.

1866
03:15:47,920 --> 03:15:49,000
Mr. Dewey, you're a recognized.

1867
03:15:49,500 --> 03:15:50,040
Thank you.

1868
03:15:50,040 --> 03:15:56,080
Good morning, do we night, office of the day to 15 North Miami Avenue?

1869
03:15:57,840 --> 03:16:02,880
I am grateful to be here today to celebrate, and we thank Commissioner Bastion and the

1870
03:16:02,880 --> 03:16:08,040
coastsponsors for honoring Commissioner Doran Role.

1871
03:16:08,460 --> 03:16:17,200
It takes me back to when the GOB bond was passed, and he was successful in lobbying the commission

1872
03:16:17,200 --> 03:16:24,120
to make this a priority, the Arcola Lake Library and the police station because people in

1873
03:16:24,120 --> 03:16:29,540
that community had a digital divide. They didn't have Wi-Fi et cetera. Those poor kids

1874
03:16:29,540 --> 03:16:35,300
were trying to go to school and didn't have access. Commissioner Roe pushed this library

1875
03:16:35,300 --> 03:16:41,400
and that police station was brought so much safety to that community. And a lot of commissioners

1876
03:16:41,400 --> 03:16:46,720
was a little mad because he got his done first. And so we are grateful that you would

1877
03:16:48,660 --> 03:16:51,920
and remember the good work that he did. Thank you.

1878
03:16:52,500 --> 03:16:53,320
Thank you, Mr. Knight.

1879
03:16:54,080 --> 03:16:55,660
Last call for Miss Sophia.

1880
03:16:56,000 --> 03:16:57,760
A Maya. Last call for Miss Sophia.

1881
03:16:58,080 --> 03:17:01,100
A Maya. Public hearing is now close to the attorneys.

1882
03:17:01,360 --> 03:17:03,000
What items are being bifurcated?

1883
03:17:05,460 --> 03:17:07,660
Yes, we have commissioner.

1884
03:17:07,860 --> 03:17:08,440
We have commissioner.

1885
03:17:09,240 --> 03:17:11,500
I'm five A commissioner.

1886
03:17:11,640 --> 03:17:15,280
Regalotto is bifurcating five F five G and five H.

1887
03:17:15,280 --> 03:17:27,780
And I have on 5L, Commissioner Bermuda, and Commissioner Million Orbis, 5O, Commissioner Million Orbis, and Senator Garcia, and 5U, Senator Garcia.

1888
03:17:28,600 --> 03:17:36,640
And I also have some requests to co-sponsor 5A from Commissioner Gilbert and Hardenment.

1889
03:17:36,640 --> 03:17:41,200
I'll interesting a motion on the five that we're not bifurcated. Yes, commissioner.

1890
03:17:41,200 --> 03:17:47,200
I'd also like to add five D for a quick friendly amendment thinking.

1891
03:17:47,220 --> 03:17:51,780
Five D is also bifurcated. A motion on the items not bifurcated. It's been moved.

1892
03:17:51,940 --> 03:17:56,420
It's been moved. It's been seconded. Clerk, please call the roll.

1893
03:17:59,080 --> 03:18:02,400
Senator Garcia? Aye. Commissioner Gilbert?

1894
03:18:02,400 --> 03:18:04,480
I vote yes.

1895
03:18:04,760 --> 03:18:05,460
Commissioner Gonzalez.

1896
03:18:07,620 --> 03:18:08,480
Commissioner Lopez.

1897
03:18:10,560 --> 03:18:11,680
Commissioner Milian Orbus.

1898
03:18:13,080 --> 03:18:14,080
Commissioner Regalado.

1899
03:18:15,440 --> 03:18:16,580
Commissioner Steinberg.

1900
03:18:18,970 --> 03:18:19,850
Commissioner Bastien.

1901
03:18:20,550 --> 03:18:20,590
Yes.

1902
03:18:20,990 --> 03:18:23,230
Commissioner Bermuda's.

1903
03:18:23,250 --> 03:18:24,410
Commissioner Cohen Higgins.

1904
03:18:25,690 --> 03:18:25,970
Four.

1905
03:18:26,730 --> 03:18:27,590
Vice Chairman McGee.

1906
03:18:28,050 --> 03:18:28,410
Yes.

1907
03:18:29,190 --> 03:18:29,810
Chairman Rodriguez.

1908
03:18:30,670 --> 03:18:31,310
I vote yes.

1909
03:18:31,530 --> 03:18:32,590
Commission passes unanimously.

1910
03:18:32,590 --> 03:18:43,590
All right, Madam Attorney on the bifurcated items is a 5A the first one. Yes. All right, so let's bifurcated by Bermuda's.

1911
03:18:44,930 --> 03:18:48,590
And Commissioner Bastia and I think it was bifurcating 5A.

1912
03:18:49,350 --> 03:18:51,630
Okay, Commissioner Bastia and you're recognized.

1913
03:18:52,390 --> 03:18:53,930
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1914
03:18:55,730 --> 03:18:57,590
As most of you know,

1915
03:18:58,810 --> 03:19:05,870
The late Commissioner Luan Roe was a Commissioner for District 2 for 12 long years.

1916
03:19:07,270 --> 03:19:11,670
Like myself, he was a mental health professional and a social worker.

1917
03:19:12,150 --> 03:19:19,970
So even before he was elected to the Miami-Dade County Commission, he's been providing

1918
03:19:19,970 --> 03:19:28,650
in life-line, life-saving services to his community, through the organizations that

1919
03:19:29,930 --> 03:19:34,770
provide, provided wraparound services to the residents of District 2.

1920
03:19:34,950 --> 03:19:42,810
He served for 12 years as I indicated, and then as a result of his legacy, the no-alcoholic

1921
03:19:42,810 --> 03:19:46,090
branch library was approved in 2008.

1922
03:19:47,090 --> 03:19:59,970
So, I'm honored to really support this legislation and I pull the item for very brief amendment to add the word branch to the name in order for the item to.

1923
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:05,980
Be consistent with the other libraries in the district. So, please read the motion.

1924
03:20:07,260 --> 03:20:12,020
Commissioner Bassian moves to amend item 5A to insert the word branch and the proposed renaming

1925
03:20:12,020 --> 03:20:16,040
of the Acrola Lake's branch library so that the new library name would be the door and

1926
03:20:16,040 --> 03:20:18,860
de-roll branch library instead of the door and de-roll library.

1927
03:20:19,580 --> 03:20:27,400
Thank you. And I'd like to share that the families here. You heard them. Commissioner

1928
03:20:27,400 --> 03:20:31,980
The role was cherished by many members, so I hope that you support this and thank you for

1929
03:20:31,980 --> 03:20:33,420
the Tsukus Fundsuit.

1930
03:20:34,320 --> 03:20:34,420
It's a chair.

1931
03:20:34,560 --> 03:20:36,080
I'll second it.

1932
03:20:36,140 --> 03:20:36,400
All right.

1933
03:20:36,480 --> 03:20:36,900
It's been moved.

1934
03:20:37,040 --> 03:20:38,480
It's been seconded by Commissioner Bermuda.

1935
03:20:38,620 --> 03:20:39,620
Vice Chairman, you're recognized.

1936
03:20:40,760 --> 03:20:40,840
Oh.

1937
03:20:40,900 --> 03:20:41,280
Go ahead, Bermuda.

1938
03:20:41,640 --> 03:20:41,860
Yeah.

1939
03:20:41,860 --> 03:20:45,580
I just wanted to briefly say, because the family is here from District 12 and the city of

1940
03:20:45,580 --> 03:20:49,480
Dorada, thank I think this is a great day.

1941
03:20:50,140 --> 03:20:53,600
Commissioner Roll was always very respectful to me when I was the founding mayor of Dorada.

1942
03:20:53,600 --> 03:21:03,720
The governor was always very kind to what became the city of Darrell, was always very caring and listening to an argument.

1943
03:21:04,680 --> 03:21:09,460
So I'm very supportive of this item, and it's well deserved.

1944
03:21:12,620 --> 03:21:13,260
Vice Chairman.

1945
03:21:13,800 --> 03:21:17,920
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I too echo the sentiments that I've heard from my colleagues.

1946
03:21:18,480 --> 03:21:20,600
I also would like to be listed as a co-sponsor.

1947
03:21:21,420 --> 03:21:24,100
And thoroughly let me just simply say this to the family.

1948
03:21:24,100 --> 03:21:37,780
Thank you for loaning to this great county, the guv, it means a lot, he's still at for great things for many of us, and the idea that we now will have his name on top of the library, right?

1949
03:21:38,060 --> 03:21:49,580
Everyone can see that we remind each and every last one of us that knowledge and opportunity are the two tittacles that the guv actually provided for each and every last one of us,

1950
03:21:49,580 --> 03:21:53,460
who came through this community looking for understanding

1951
03:21:54,200 --> 03:21:56,360
and appreciation and things of that nature.

1952
03:21:56,940 --> 03:22:02,540
So to commission a bastion, hopefully we get that invitation

1953
03:22:02,540 --> 03:22:05,680
to this ribbon cut, definitely want to be there.

1954
03:22:06,120 --> 03:22:07,940
And just thank you so much for leading the charge

1955
03:22:07,940 --> 03:22:10,200
on behalf of this great man and this great family.

1956
03:22:11,180 --> 03:22:12,260
Thank you, Vice Chair.

1957
03:22:12,680 --> 03:22:16,940
And as I recognize Commissioner, is that, are you trying to speak?

1958
03:22:17,520 --> 03:22:20,520
I just keep in mind that y'all should learn from Mr. Roll.

1959
03:22:21,000 --> 03:22:24,620
Will he use to say, everybody, talk long, talk wrong.

1960
03:22:26,440 --> 03:22:27,560
Come on, Commissioner Gilbert.

1961
03:22:28,320 --> 03:22:30,760
He also used to say, he was going to take a skinny minute.

1962
03:22:32,660 --> 03:22:34,240
skinny minute, this is skinny minute.

1963
03:22:34,320 --> 03:22:37,420
I just want to thank Commissioner Bastien for actually bringing this item.

1964
03:22:37,900 --> 03:22:40,980
And thank the family, I knew Commissioner Roll with the governor.

1965
03:22:41,240 --> 03:22:42,180
I knew him.

1966
03:22:42,220 --> 03:22:44,980
He was a good man who worked tirelessly with community.

1967
03:22:44,980 --> 03:22:51,640
He loved this community. He loved this county. I think it's completely. This is this is overdue.

1968
03:22:51,940 --> 03:22:56,880
This is fitting and it's overdue. Thank you very much for doing this. Thank you, commissioner.

1969
03:22:57,880 --> 03:22:59,640
Chairman. Senator Garcia.

1970
03:23:00,220 --> 03:23:05,280
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you, Commissioner Gilbert for reminding us about the governor.

1971
03:23:06,120 --> 03:23:11,320
He was an amazing, when I was in legislature, I worked a lot with him on a couple different issues.

1972
03:23:11,320 --> 03:23:20,300
And there's no doubt that he really did care about his community, love this people, and fought tirelessly for them every single day.

1973
03:23:20,480 --> 03:23:25,520
So whether you're greeted with him or not, the one thing that you could be a shirt and certain of is that he really did love his people.

1974
03:23:25,700 --> 03:23:28,560
And Commissioner Bessian, thank you so much for bringing this before us.

1975
03:23:28,600 --> 03:23:30,160
And please, this being as a co-sponsor as well.

1976
03:23:30,440 --> 03:23:31,320
Thank you.

1977
03:23:32,300 --> 03:23:32,560
Yes.

1978
03:23:32,740 --> 03:23:33,480
All the way around.

1979
03:23:33,500 --> 03:23:34,800
Yeah, please add me as well.

1980
03:23:34,820 --> 03:23:37,640
This case we get co-sponsored all the way around.

1981
03:23:37,880 --> 03:23:38,740
All the way around.

1982
03:23:39,600 --> 03:23:40,180
All right.

1983
03:23:41,360 --> 03:23:49,480
Okay, all right. So with that clerk, please, we need, we have a motion. We have a second, with that clerk, please call the roll.

1984
03:23:50,400 --> 03:23:53,420
Commissioner Gilbert. Commissioner Gonzalez.

1985
03:23:54,640 --> 03:23:59,400
Commissioner Lopez. Yes. Commissioner Amelia Norbus. Commissioner Regalado.

1986
03:24:00,140 --> 03:24:05,860
Commissioner Steinberg. Commissioner Bastien. Yes. Commissioner Bramures. Commissioner Cornhiggins.

1987
03:24:05,860 --> 03:24:09,500
Four, Senator Garcia, Vice Chairman McGee.

1988
03:24:10,660 --> 03:24:11,260
Chairman Rodriguez.

1989
03:24:11,740 --> 03:24:12,180
I vote yes.

1990
03:24:12,300 --> 03:24:13,340
Motion passes unanimously.

1991
03:24:14,140 --> 03:24:14,420
All right.

1992
03:24:15,160 --> 03:24:17,660
On five F.

1993
03:24:18,000 --> 03:24:18,480
Five T.

1994
03:24:19,160 --> 03:24:19,340
Five.

1995
03:24:19,700 --> 03:24:20,780
What is it?

1996
03:24:20,980 --> 03:24:21,460
Five D.

1997
03:24:21,660 --> 03:24:23,120
Oh, five D.

1998
03:24:23,960 --> 03:24:25,440
Steinberg pulled that.

1999
03:24:26,260 --> 03:24:26,920
All right, bye for Kate.

2000
03:24:27,000 --> 03:24:27,460
Go ahead.

2001
03:24:27,700 --> 03:24:29,520
Commissioner Steinberg on five D.

2002
03:24:29,580 --> 03:24:31,500
In the spirit of the skinny minute.

2003
03:24:31,720 --> 03:24:32,140
Spending minute.

2004
03:24:33,220 --> 03:24:39,560
So, I listen, I support the ordinance, I know it's a great ordinance, and it's probably

2005
03:24:39,560 --> 03:24:43,720
written enough, but it really is a narrow ordinance that only really impacts keep the

2006
03:24:43,720 --> 03:24:43,920
scheme.

2007
03:24:44,720 --> 03:24:50,160
My question, and what I would like to offer, is the ability for other municipalities to opt

2008
03:24:50,920 --> 03:24:56,120
in to this ordinance, should they want to be an interlocal and being that the title is broad enough,

2009
03:24:56,540 --> 03:24:58,800
I would ask the county attorney, let me know.

2010
03:24:58,800 --> 03:24:59,920
that would be of an opportunity.

2011
03:25:00,640 --> 03:25:11,140
Again, not mandating anything, not doing anything other than if another city wants to opt in, give them the ability to do so, because a lot of them are doing their regulations right now.

2012
03:25:11,560 --> 03:25:13,860
And this is a model for what they could be doing.

2013
03:25:14,280 --> 03:25:24,260
Thank you. I appreciate that, but the only thing I would add, and I've been requested this, we took a, this ordinance was a lot of work.

2014
03:25:24,260 --> 03:25:29,200
And as many of you know, we were waiting for the state to really regulate it.

2015
03:25:29,200 --> 03:25:35,260
This was done as a placeholder as a state regulated and unfortunately the governor vetoed.

2016
03:25:36,120 --> 03:25:42,040
We had over a dozen meetings and keep a scan to make sure that everybody understood this.

2017
03:25:42,540 --> 03:25:45,360
And the reason for this ordinance, because many of you know,

2018
03:25:45,440 --> 03:25:49,380
I'm a big supporter of micro mobility, but on February 14, 2024,

2019
03:25:49,380 --> 03:25:55,640
We had Megan Andrews died in Kibisgain as a result of an accident. She was 66.

2020
03:25:55,920 --> 03:26:02,580
She was killed by a 12 year old on an e-bike. And then on August 15, 2025, we had Fabian Moss.

2021
03:26:02,780 --> 03:26:10,820
Mosses, he was 54, killed by a 14 year old on an e-bike. So this is a big issue for Kibisgain

2022
03:26:10,820 --> 03:26:16,260
and not something that we entered into lightly. I would, I don't want to mend this.

2023
03:26:16,260 --> 03:26:21,240
I would tell you all to bring your own items, referring to it, but to have the public meetings

2024
03:26:21,240 --> 03:26:25,300
so that you can inform everyone on the breath of this.

2025
03:26:26,520 --> 03:26:33,000
We landed on this in collaboration with Kibiske and this is an extension of what's already

2026
03:26:33,000 --> 03:26:34,080
been existing.

2027
03:26:34,820 --> 03:26:41,240
So I don't want to just add other cities without them kind of going through the work of

2028
03:26:41,240 --> 03:26:41,820
it.

2029
03:26:41,820 --> 03:26:44,720
If I may clarify, you absolutely may yes.

2030
03:26:45,160 --> 03:26:48,300
It wouldn't be necessarily amending any of the work on the ordinance.

2031
03:26:48,680 --> 03:26:53,660
It's just giving the mechanism for another city to enter into a local with the county

2032
03:26:53,660 --> 03:26:58,940
so that they can also avail themselves of the good work that's been done on this ordinance.

2033
03:26:59,020 --> 03:27:03,900
This is nothing to do with changing the ordinance or, by the way, cities already

2034
03:27:03,900 --> 03:27:09,500
some of them have their own, they've adopted their own regulations to the extent that they can.

2035
03:27:09,500 --> 03:27:19,780
And instead of bringing one for each city individually, just, you know, maybe the attorney can explain a little further so that it, so it doesn't touch the ordinance and the essence of it.

2036
03:27:19,980 --> 03:27:24,380
The only thing I would say is this is about the Rick and Backer, which is unique as a street.

2037
03:27:24,900 --> 03:27:30,600
So the speeds and everything on the Rick and Backer are very very different from other county owned streets.

2038
03:27:30,900 --> 03:27:37,380
So I would say it would be better to do something separately for other county owned streets because the Rick and Backer is a highway.

2039
03:27:37,380 --> 03:27:46,140
And this is about the Rick and Bakker, and that's why I said it's it's very particular to what it was created for.

2040
03:27:49,850 --> 03:27:51,970
So, okay, Commissioner Lopez.

2041
03:27:52,430 --> 03:27:53,210
Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman.

2042
03:27:53,330 --> 03:27:58,090
So I did pass legislation in the state that allowed for local governments to regulate

2043
03:27:58,420 --> 03:27:59,830
micro mobility devices.

2044
03:28:00,270 --> 03:28:01,970
And that is in statute now.

2045
03:28:02,210 --> 03:28:04,110
It was amended into the Transportation Bell.

2046
03:28:04,190 --> 03:28:07,690
So any municipality that wishes to do so can.

2047
03:28:07,690 --> 03:28:14,530
It's the specific, so to Commissioner Steinberg's question, any municipality today, under state

2048
03:28:14,530 --> 03:28:17,090
statute, can actually pass an ordinance.

2049
03:28:18,130 --> 03:28:20,370
What Commissioner Regalado was saying is absolutely true.

2050
03:28:20,530 --> 03:28:26,390
She and I both worked very hard, because the village of Kibisgain has banned microability

2051
03:28:26,390 --> 03:28:32,010
devices on their roads, but the one she's referring to is the Crandon Boulevard.

2052
03:28:32,750 --> 03:28:37,670
And so this is so specific to Kibisgain, but Commissioner Steinberg, any of our

2053
03:28:37,670 --> 03:28:42,750
municipalities they want more though and I would say Commissioner Steinberg and I share the city

2054
03:28:42,750 --> 03:28:50,290
of Miami Beach and they are looking to expand the state statute in this coming session.

2055
03:28:50,810 --> 03:28:55,450
So hopefully that will be something that we can work towards but currently any municipality

2056
03:28:55,450 --> 03:28:59,030
in the state of Florida can regulate micro mobility devices.

2057
03:29:00,610 --> 03:29:01,810
Yeah, if I.

2058
03:29:01,870 --> 03:29:02,150
Commissioner.

2059
03:29:02,430 --> 03:29:02,890
Thank you.

2060
03:29:03,070 --> 03:29:04,430
No and I appreciate that.

2061
03:29:04,430 --> 03:29:10,390
This was just the opportunity because it does say county roads, you know, and while it does

2062
03:29:10,390 --> 03:29:14,470
reference the areas and keep a scan, which is why I said, it's brought enough in the

2063
03:29:14,470 --> 03:29:19,290
title, but it's specific to what you were doing, and I know the work it came, I know I know

2064
03:29:19,290 --> 03:29:24,650
how contentious these things can be, but now I think in light of what's been happening, the

2065
03:29:24,650 --> 03:29:29,850
regulatory framework is here, and it's just giving them the option if they want to opt into

2066
03:29:29,850 --> 03:29:33,870
something like this. It may not be what they want, it may not, it may not, it may go further than

2067
03:29:33,870 --> 03:29:39,110
they would want to do. And I would just ask the attorneys, is there a way to do this where

2068
03:29:39,110 --> 03:29:46,110
it doesn't touch the item or keeps the essence, because she did bring up a good point about it being

2069
03:29:46,110 --> 03:29:52,190
so specific to the type of road, the causeway. I'm dealing with the only thing I would add and that's

2070
03:29:52,190 --> 03:29:57,510
I'm happy to work with you on an item. I would just say if we are going to bring something like an

2071
03:29:57,510 --> 03:29:59,590
and similar to what I did with the peacocks.

2072
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:05,780
I think you need to establish parameters. And I would say a certain number of public meetings

2073
03:30:05,780 --> 03:30:11,060
outreach, a lot of things that are not in here. Because I did all those things before this, you

2074
03:30:11,060 --> 03:30:16,480
know, this, this has been working for a long time and this is an extension of an existing. So I'm

2075
03:30:16,480 --> 03:30:23,440
happy to work on an item that creates a way for them to bring it in and to request that we extend

2076
03:30:23,440 --> 03:30:30,740
their limitations to county roads, but I think there has to be a very compelling reason.

2077
03:30:31,460 --> 03:30:35,860
So I would happy work with you on a paradigm, but in order for a city to opt in, they

2078
03:30:35,860 --> 03:30:40,600
would have to pass some sort of resolution or formal thing at their body, which would then

2079
03:30:40,600 --> 03:30:43,300
be a public hearing within of itself at their city.

2080
03:30:43,640 --> 03:30:47,320
Now, this was just, look, I just thought it was an opportunity so that we don't all have

2081
03:30:47,320 --> 03:30:51,860
to bring items forward and this would just be more streamlined to allow them the ability.

2082
03:30:52,320 --> 03:30:54,540
But, you know, it's not at the end of the world.

2083
03:30:54,680 --> 03:31:00,840
It was one of those really, you know, opportunistic moments where for doing this legislation,

2084
03:31:01,380 --> 03:31:02,980
why not give them the ability to opt-in?

2085
03:31:03,020 --> 03:31:03,820
Should they want to?

2086
03:31:03,840 --> 03:31:07,040
A lot of times we pre-empt cities, which I don't necessarily agree with.

2087
03:31:07,260 --> 03:31:10,680
So this was just an opportunity to, say, listen, we have this framework.

2088
03:31:11,220 --> 03:31:12,060
You want to opt-in?

2089
03:31:12,220 --> 03:31:16,180
These are the steps in which you would have to do to actually formally opt-in.

2090
03:31:16,220 --> 03:31:20,060
You can't just say, here you go, you need to have a process in the city to do so.

2091
03:31:20,180 --> 03:31:20,800
But that's fine.

2092
03:31:21,860 --> 03:31:23,860
All right, so move it.

2093
03:31:24,460 --> 03:31:25,360
It's been moved.

2094
03:31:25,520 --> 03:31:26,540
It's been second.

2095
03:31:27,080 --> 03:31:29,180
Commissioner Cohen Higgins for a question.

2096
03:31:29,340 --> 03:31:30,060
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2097
03:31:30,380 --> 03:31:37,580
Is there a, is there a sister or a mirrored ordinance within our code related to

2098
03:31:37,580 --> 03:31:41,080
micromobility devices that is not specific to keep a scan?

2099
03:31:41,580 --> 03:31:46,780
Or is this the only ordinance in Miami-Dade County that specifically speaks to

2100
03:31:46,780 --> 03:31:50,320
micromobility devices, electric bicycles and motorized scooters?

2101
03:31:52,620 --> 03:31:57,980
Yes, commission. This is the only ordinance currently in the code that speaks specific

2102
03:31:57,980 --> 03:31:59,540
and make available in the devices.

2103
03:31:59,720 --> 03:32:04,360
Okay, so if another minute, how many municipalities do we have in my Medi-County 3234?

2104
03:32:05,320 --> 03:32:11,520
So if any of the 32 or 34 municipalities within my Medi-County want to avail themselves

2105
03:32:11,520 --> 03:32:17,380
of this ordinance that we just spoke to, we had deaths, God forbid, any other municipality

2106
03:32:17,380 --> 03:32:24,100
sufferers, the way that keep a skin has, we are not prepared to create some sort of an agreement

2107
03:32:24,100 --> 03:32:29,080
to help them opt into this. More easily, I'm confused as to the position that's currently

2108
03:32:29,080 --> 03:32:35,200
being taken by the board. Why would we allow our municipalities to avail themselves to an ordinance

2109
03:32:35,200 --> 03:32:40,140
that saves lives that had a ton of work and that we all applaud? I do not understand that.

2110
03:32:40,960 --> 03:32:46,960
If I could respond to that, what I'm saying is that there was a lot of public meeting and input

2111
03:32:46,960 --> 03:32:49,860
and work with DDPW to come to this ordinance.

2112
03:32:49,860 --> 03:32:57,640
It has very rick and backer specific penalties and it doesn't, it doesn't speak to all the

2113
03:32:57,640 --> 03:32:59,800
meetings and everything that came before the ordinance.

2114
03:32:59,900 --> 03:33:04,540
So what I'm saying is I'm happy to draft an ordinance for cities to opt in, but it needs

2115
03:33:04,540 --> 03:33:08,720
to have a lot of things that are not in this ordinance because this ordinance came after

2116
03:33:08,720 --> 03:33:11,200
two years of working with Keeva's game.

2117
03:33:11,300 --> 03:33:16,060
So like I said, I'm happy to work with Commissioner Steinberg or whoever wants to do it to amend

2118
03:33:16,060 --> 03:33:22,060
this ordinance in another item that gives the municipality to input, speaks to the hearings,

2119
03:33:22,540 --> 03:33:24,360
and everything so that they can opt in.

2120
03:33:24,760 --> 03:33:25,380
Thank you for that.

2121
03:33:25,480 --> 03:33:30,620
To the attorneys, what would be the difficulty of the ordinance as it's written now, allowing

2122
03:33:30,620 --> 03:33:36,740
our municipalities to avail themselves via an opt-in, or whatever the proper legal language is,

2123
03:33:36,840 --> 03:33:38,480
the way the Commissioner Steinberg just requested?

2124
03:33:38,480 --> 03:33:45,820
Commission, that would require an amendment to section 2A of the ordinance, the applicability

2125
03:33:45,820 --> 03:33:51,400
section, as it is currently written. It is narrow to the current and current vote vote vote

2126
03:33:51,400 --> 03:33:55,660
that section would need to be amended to expand the applicability.

2127
03:33:56,320 --> 03:34:01,820
Okay, it would need to be amended to expand the applicability county wide or simply speak to

2128
03:34:01,820 --> 03:34:06,460
the opportunity for existing municipalities to opt-in should they desire to do so.

2129
03:34:08,480 --> 03:34:17,080
I'm not trying to expand it, countywide. That wasn't the question. The question was specific to what Commissioner Steinberg requested multiple times rather clearly.

2130
03:34:20,810 --> 03:34:25,250
It would be amended to apply countywide with opt-in language.

2131
03:34:27,580 --> 03:34:36,560
So it wouldn't apply countywide unless municipalities elected to enter into some sort of interlocal agreement opt-in, correct?

2132
03:34:36,560 --> 03:34:48,520
I understand that to be the request that this Board Commissioner Steinberg was requesting for an amendment to have it apply countywide, but allow the municipalities to opt in.

2133
03:34:48,940 --> 03:34:59,960
So it wouldn't apply as a matter of right, right? So as a matter of law, each municipality would have to take an affirmative step to opt in after, you know.

2134
03:35:05,040 --> 03:35:20,700
All on, do you start the floor? I do so have the floor, but I'm watching Commissioner Steinberg and it doesn't seem as though that that reflects what she was trying to accomplish. I'm just trying to understand if there is a vehicle to accomplish what the commissioner specifically requested.

2135
03:35:21,600 --> 03:35:23,700
Are you okay? Commissioner Steinberg.

2136
03:35:23,700 --> 03:35:29,900
Thank you. Well, right. I mean, it wasn't. My intent wasn't necessarily to have this blanket county wide language.

2137
03:35:29,900 --> 03:35:41,720
It was more of the ability to have municipalities opt in or districts opt in where, you know, now that we're thinking about it with or on, you know, maybe the unincorporated areas may want to have some of this regulation as well.

2138
03:35:42,280 --> 03:35:53,680
But ultimately it was specific and minor to allow for an opt-in option, but if, you know, maybe maybe I just, at this point, I'm happy and I appreciate the line.

2139
03:35:53,680 --> 03:35:55,180
of questioning commissioner Cohen Higgins.

2140
03:35:56,000 --> 03:36:00,780
I think I'm happy to bring an item, by the way, does anybody have a hold on this?

2141
03:36:00,860 --> 03:36:05,560
Like I want to make sure that if I bring something forward that I'll be able to actually

2142
03:36:05,560 --> 03:36:10,100
bring a forward, because all I want to do is allow cities to opt in to this piece of legislation.

2143
03:36:10,460 --> 03:36:11,040
That's all I'm asking.

2144
03:36:11,640 --> 03:36:14,620
So can the attorneys maybe draft something and we pass something today?

2145
03:36:15,680 --> 03:36:19,720
So to the attorneys, well, go ahead and answer that question.

2146
03:36:19,720 --> 03:36:25,440
So the same way that you were saying we can amend it to say this applies county-wide with an

2147
03:36:25,440 --> 03:36:31,760
opt-in, we can amend it by saying not applying county-wide, and we would have, you know, basically,

2148
03:36:32,320 --> 03:36:38,800
in our locals allowing for municipalities to opt-in to the attorneys. So my question is specific.

2149
03:36:38,980 --> 03:36:43,460
I'm asking you whether the inverse of what you proposed is possible. Instead of saying we want this

2150
03:36:43,460 --> 03:36:49,700
to apply county-wide, we want instead to give the municipalities by interlocal or expression of

2151
03:36:49,700 --> 03:36:55,840
interest. We represent a lot of municipalities obviously that may want to opt in. Is that language

2152
03:36:55,840 --> 03:36:56,700
a possibility?

2153
03:37:00,740 --> 03:37:02,100
You recognize to the attorneys.

2154
03:37:05,580 --> 03:37:07,680
I want to be clear that I understand your

2155
03:37:07,680 --> 03:37:14,680
question before answering. So could I just kindly ask you to repeat it? Absolutely. You proposed

2156
03:37:14,680 --> 03:37:22,160
having the ordinance amended to apply county wide with an opt in by the municipalities. The commission

2157
03:37:22,160 --> 03:37:26,020
that made the original request sugarhead and said that's not exactly what I was requesting.

2158
03:37:26,700 --> 03:37:32,340
Instead, what I was requesting was language simply allowing specific municipalities to opt in,

2159
03:37:32,540 --> 03:37:38,020
should they desire to do so? So it's simply taking the proposal that you gave and creating

2160
03:37:38,020 --> 03:37:41,520
the inverse of that proposal. My question is a simple one. Is that possible?

2161
03:37:45,370 --> 03:37:50,810
Yes, Commissioner. It is possible. Okay. So then what is the downside then of including that

2162
03:37:50,810 --> 03:37:56,450
language in this ordinance, considering the lives that it saves, the work that it's done,

2163
03:37:56,530 --> 03:38:00,290
you know, applauding the work. I mean, it's, it's, it's, right, I mean, I represent

2164
03:38:00,290 --> 03:38:04,790
Palmetre Bay, cutler Bay. What if they want to be included? I don't understand why we

2165
03:38:04,790 --> 03:38:09,630
would need to wait months and months and months for a separate item that essentially can

2166
03:38:09,630 --> 03:38:15,890
be accomplished here via a simple amendment, which is what I wanted to clarify through the attorneys

2167
03:38:15,890 --> 03:38:17,670
whether or not that amendment was possible.

2168
03:38:17,670 --> 03:38:22,810
If I could just clarify a commissioner, this ordinance only applies to county roads.

2169
03:38:23,310 --> 03:38:24,550
We understand that.

2170
03:38:24,550 --> 03:38:25,010
That's currently right.

2171
03:38:25,010 --> 03:38:26,090
We understand that.

2172
03:38:26,110 --> 03:38:27,530
I don't think that anybody is confused.

2173
03:38:27,610 --> 03:38:33,130
I'm opt-in for municipalities wouldn't be an ordinance for the entire road network within

2174
03:38:33,130 --> 03:38:33,590
the municipality.

2175
03:38:33,870 --> 03:38:34,810
Only the country roads.

2176
03:38:35,150 --> 03:38:35,650
Just wanted to be clear.

2177
03:38:35,670 --> 03:38:36,730
Thank you.

2178
03:38:37,350 --> 03:38:42,050
To respond to that question, the my concern is notice and litigation.

2179
03:38:42,930 --> 03:38:47,590
So as we work through this, we dealt with a lot of individuals that did not agree with

2180
03:38:47,590 --> 03:38:52,350
ordinance, but we had a series of public meetings, and we worked through it to ensure that the

2181
03:38:52,350 --> 03:38:57,510
county would not enter into litigation as a result. There is a reason that the governor

2182
03:38:57,510 --> 03:39:02,490
vetoed it. There is a group of humans who do not want this type of limitation to micromobility

2183
03:39:03,010 --> 03:39:09,430
and while this gave some notice to the municipalities, it didn't give them the notice that an item

2184
03:39:09,430 --> 03:39:17,410
speaking to a countywide would give. Also, if you amend it this way, you're focusing, it's

2185
03:39:17,410 --> 03:39:21,910
written back or focused, there's different county roads with different speeds and different

2186
03:39:21,910 --> 03:39:26,890
modalities and the the ordinance speaks to the written back or end crammed in, which is a very

2187
03:39:26,890 --> 03:39:33,030
different road than a lot of county own roads. And finally, we then have to deal with the

2188
03:39:33,030 --> 03:39:38,950
issue of what we would do in terms of unincorporated Miami date. So that's a whole other

2189
03:39:38,950 --> 03:39:46,630
Because now if you're going to create an op-in for cities for this prohibition on county roads,

2190
03:39:47,150 --> 03:39:52,670
then we need a vehicle for this board in terms of our county roads.

2191
03:39:53,750 --> 03:39:56,030
The unincorporated mainly all county roads.

2192
03:39:56,630 --> 03:39:59,970
So that's why the Rick and Bakker is different because of the speeds it is.

2193
03:40:00,980 --> 03:40:18,920
So, that's what I would caution you that I think and I'm happy to work on a comprehensive item that really covers this, but you need to cover the speeds, the size, the cost. This is very particular to the Rick and Baker and you need to have public meetings and bake that into the process.

2194
03:40:18,920 --> 03:40:20,020
How long?

2195
03:40:20,440 --> 03:40:21,300
Commissioner Gilbert, you recognized.

2196
03:40:22,100 --> 03:40:22,620
Mr. Chairman.

2197
03:40:22,740 --> 03:40:26,020
Commissioner Accordingants will still have the floor if necessary, but.

2198
03:40:26,220 --> 03:40:26,620
Commissioner Gilbert.

2199
03:40:27,120 --> 03:40:31,000
And the risk of, you know, agreeing with Commissioner Gilbert a lot of twice.

2200
03:40:32,740 --> 03:40:32,940
I did.

2201
03:40:33,660 --> 03:40:36,260
I think she's likely right on this.

2202
03:40:36,860 --> 03:40:39,700
And I think that it actually came through the Transportation Committee.

2203
03:40:40,820 --> 03:40:45,840
And so the reason why it passed through the Transportation Committee was because,

2204
03:40:45,840 --> 03:40:51,620
like it did was because of its limited nature. Now, this board can broaden it if you like,

2205
03:40:52,540 --> 03:40:59,000
but let's be clear. We do have a committee process for a reason. This broad of an item

2206
03:40:59,780 --> 03:41:05,640
would have been treated differently in committee. Chairman, it would have been treated differently.

2207
03:41:06,600 --> 03:41:11,700
So there are, and listen, I think that the notice requirement is a significant thing. There are

2208
03:41:11,700 --> 03:41:17,060
people who don't agree with this. Well, I do, and Commissioner Steinberg, and Commissioner

2209
03:41:17,060 --> 03:41:23,960
Cohen, he's there, residents who might have chosen to be heard on this item in the committee,

2210
03:41:24,740 --> 03:41:30,360
had it take, it was postured like this. And so I would just caution us about changing

2211
03:41:30,360 --> 03:41:36,920
something so substantially at the board level on an item that's gone through committee

2212
03:41:36,920 --> 03:41:37,500
Mr. Chairman.

2213
03:41:39,880 --> 03:41:41,780
So, okay, Senator Garcia.

2214
03:41:42,520 --> 03:41:43,260
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

2215
03:41:44,120 --> 03:41:50,260
And I agree with everything being said, but however, what the request is an up-in provision.

2216
03:41:50,900 --> 03:41:51,600
That's what I was going to say.

2217
03:41:51,920 --> 03:41:56,860
It's an up-in provision, up-in into the rules that are being established for the municipalities.

2218
03:41:57,320 --> 03:42:01,780
I get what that is specific to a road.

2219
03:42:01,900 --> 03:42:04,480
I get that it went through the committee process.

2220
03:42:04,480 --> 03:42:08,280
But at the end of the day, we are representatives of the people.

2221
03:42:08,980 --> 03:42:10,600
We speak for the people.

2222
03:42:10,740 --> 03:42:14,900
You have used that line before that we are the representatives of the people that think

2223
03:42:14,900 --> 03:42:20,860
is incumbent upon the municipality itself that wants to opt in to do what they need to do

2224
03:42:20,860 --> 03:42:27,660
for their municipality, but I don't see a problem with having municipalities opt in.

2225
03:42:27,740 --> 03:42:30,220
When I even pushing anything on anyone, we're just getting it.

2226
03:42:30,220 --> 03:42:34,420
We created this law, we understand there's some limitations to it, but you can use

2227
03:42:34,420 --> 03:42:39,720
parameters are existing in here to apply this to your constituency. I think it's it's

2228
03:42:39,720 --> 03:42:44,960
doesn't hurt anyone and I'm perfectly fine with seconding the amendments and trying to get

2229
03:42:44,960 --> 03:42:53,660
this moving forward. Okay, so we hold on. We have Commissioner, there's an amendment but it's not,

2230
03:42:54,600 --> 03:42:55,680
Steinberg has an officially,

2231
03:42:58,380 --> 03:43:01,340
okay, there's an amendment, there's a second team amendment, but there's

2232
03:43:01,340 --> 03:43:03,980
there's a motion on the actual item itself, right?

2233
03:43:04,380 --> 03:43:07,760
So, as amended, behold on, I have commissioner,

2234
03:43:08,780 --> 03:43:11,540
I have Gonzalez on the queue and then I'll go to Lopez

2235
03:43:11,540 --> 03:43:13,840
and then anyone else that Gonzalez.

2236
03:43:15,100 --> 03:43:16,420
Thank you, Mr. Chair, and you know,

2237
03:43:16,460 --> 03:43:18,520
I do appreciate Commissioner Regalardos

2238
03:43:18,520 --> 03:43:24,030
particularly explanation of the complexity

2239
03:43:24,030 --> 03:43:25,350
of how this was brought forward.

2240
03:43:25,450 --> 03:43:27,510
I think it's something that it is very much needed.

2241
03:43:28,030 --> 03:43:30,450
However, something that the County Attorney's office,

2242
03:43:30,450 --> 03:43:35,430
Well, something that the county attorney said really caught my attention, and that was that this

2243
03:43:35,430 --> 03:43:46,130
was only applicable to county roads, and so from what I understand, Commissioner Steinberg was

2244
03:43:46,130 --> 03:43:51,770
requesting that the amendment apply if, and correct me if I'm wrong Commissioner Steinberg,

2245
03:43:51,850 --> 03:43:57,350
if it passes through the municipality. And so I think that if it went through a municipality

2246
03:43:57,350 --> 03:44:06,010
logically, and a municipality had noticed hearings, and a municipality voted to have municipal

2247
03:44:06,010 --> 03:44:09,310
roads engaged in something similar.

2248
03:44:10,090 --> 03:44:15,890
I think that what you were trying to do is, since those municipal roads within the municipality

2249
03:44:15,890 --> 03:44:22,710
that had those public hearings have adopted it for the municipality, perhaps they can just

2250
03:44:22,710 --> 03:44:27,270
in so that the county roads are applicable as well.

2251
03:44:29,750 --> 03:44:34,250
I think that that would solve the issue with

2252
03:44:34,250 --> 03:44:39,350
public notice along with the issues of speed

2253
03:44:41,430 --> 03:44:47,190
and the discrepancies as to whether the notice

2254
03:44:47,190 --> 03:44:56,270
had to be heard here. I don't know if you want to continue but I think I would be supported

2255
03:44:56,270 --> 03:44:56,950
of open amendment.

2256
03:45:04,020 --> 03:45:32,700
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, I just have a quick question. So, in using the, I have been dealing with this as a state rub for Cuba's gain, but I have a question. In the case of Cuba's gain, it banned all micromobility devices on their own streets. The only one that runs through the village is Crandon Boulevard. It is a county road. So, despite whatever a municipality may or may not do with their roads,

2257
03:45:32,700 --> 03:45:38,720
I believe the question here is about what to do with a county road that runs through a municipality,

2258
03:45:39,140 --> 03:45:41,520
whether they do anything or they don't, right?

2259
03:45:42,160 --> 03:45:48,140
I don't know, and this is a question to Commissioner Regalado, if her item, because I know

2260
03:45:48,140 --> 03:45:52,700
that this item was introduced two years ago, it was sunset.

2261
03:45:53,420 --> 03:46:01,900
So the question is, are the regulations, are the rules governing the right ways and the

2262
03:46:01,900 --> 03:46:09,340
specific to keep a scan? Because if it is, then I don't know how you allow another municipality

2263
03:46:09,340 --> 03:46:15,860
to opt in because these would be, then you would be asking every municipality to comply with what

2264
03:46:15,860 --> 03:46:21,800
keep a scan decided. Is that true? I just need to understand. Yes, it is specific to keep a

2265
03:46:21,800 --> 03:46:28,200
scan as are the penalty amounts and the understanding of the speed based on the roads.

2266
03:46:31,360 --> 03:46:31,880
That's

2267
03:46:31,880 --> 03:46:37,100
than this, I'm happy to help draft something, but it would have to have different categories

2268
03:46:37,100 --> 03:46:42,540
for different types of roads that have different speeds, different sidewalks, and you would

2269
03:46:42,540 --> 03:46:48,920
have to have different pricing for the violations. This is built specifically for Rick and

2270
03:46:48,920 --> 03:46:54,400
Baker and Crandon. If I may, I think I have an idea. Yes, but Rick and Crandon. Commissioner

2271
03:46:54,400 --> 03:47:00,200
Cohen, take a few reckons. Thank you, Mr. Chair. To the attorneys and to the sponsor of the item,

2272
03:47:00,200 --> 03:47:06,680
Section 5 of the item that we're discussing says, Enforcement by municipalities.

2273
03:47:07,360 --> 03:47:11,900
A municipality may upon approval by the Board of County Commissioners of an interlocal

2274
03:47:11,900 --> 03:47:14,720
agreement between the county and such municipality.

2275
03:47:15,460 --> 03:47:20,560
Enforce the provisions of the section as it relates to roads within the boundaries of

2276
03:47:20,560 --> 03:47:21,580
said municipality.

2277
03:47:22,120 --> 03:47:26,620
The agenda item approving such interlocal agreement shall be sponsored by a district commissioner

2278
03:47:26,620 --> 03:47:30,140
in whose district any portion of such municipality lies.

2279
03:47:30,500 --> 03:47:32,500
So it's already in the ordinance.

2280
03:47:33,300 --> 03:47:35,260
We're talking about this being Rick and Bakker

2281
03:47:35,260 --> 03:47:38,120
and Kibis gain specific, but they're section five.

2282
03:47:38,200 --> 03:47:41,800
They're section six enforcement talks about municipalities,

2283
03:47:42,320 --> 03:47:46,400
section six D, a municipality entering into an interlocal agreement

2284
03:47:46,400 --> 03:47:47,600
as provided in this section.

2285
03:47:47,760 --> 03:47:49,320
May in the alternative provide for enforcement

2286
03:47:49,320 --> 03:47:51,000
in accordance with its own procedures.

2287
03:47:51,600 --> 03:47:55,600
And then section seven entirely speaks to municipal regulation.

2288
03:47:55,600 --> 03:48:00,400
So I don't know how this is keybiscayne and Rick and Bakker specific and I don't know how the question that commissioner

2289
03:48:00,400 --> 03:48:07,540
The commissioner originally posed was quiz like puzzling to our attorneys. It's completely already baked into the ordinance

2290
03:48:07,540 --> 03:48:16,340
Which is why many of us found it extremely difficult to understand how this ordinance could not have an opt-in so much so it's already built into the ordinance.

2291
03:48:16,560 --> 03:48:20,060
Mr. Chair if I can respond to that. Oh, don't but I want to hear from the attorney. Yes, you will.

2292
03:48:20,060 --> 03:48:23,260
to the attorneys, is that accurate?

2293
03:48:23,700 --> 03:48:29,400
Commissioner, the Section 2A identifies the applicability

2294
03:48:29,400 --> 03:48:31,320
of the code provision itself.

2295
03:48:32,020 --> 03:48:33,760
It says that this section shall be applicable

2296
03:48:33,760 --> 03:48:35,940
to Crandon Boulevard between the northern limits

2297
03:48:35,940 --> 03:48:38,880
of the village of Kewis Kain to accomplish

2298
03:48:38,880 --> 03:48:43,320
what Commissioner Cohen Higgins is suggesting

2299
03:48:43,320 --> 03:48:46,340
would just require either a deletion or modification

2300
03:48:46,340 --> 03:48:49,020
of two A to broaden that definition.

2301
03:48:51,220 --> 03:48:53,460
So, if I can explain.

2302
03:48:54,900 --> 03:48:58,560
And we have this issue several times I brought items

2303
03:48:58,560 --> 03:49:02,100
and we've had questions about the language of the ordinance.

2304
03:49:02,320 --> 03:49:04,200
And that's because time and time again,

2305
03:49:04,560 --> 03:49:07,760
our county attorneys tell us that we cannot draft something

2306
03:49:07,760 --> 03:49:10,500
that is hyper-specific to an area

2307
03:49:10,500 --> 03:49:14,760
that it must refer back to the entire code

2308
03:49:14,760 --> 03:49:17,680
And then get specific in the body.

2309
03:49:18,240 --> 03:49:22,020
I am not doing anything that everyone doesn't do in every single item.

2310
03:49:22,380 --> 03:49:27,980
In fact, when we suspended the CRA for Naranja that we're going to visit tonight,

2311
03:49:28,240 --> 03:49:33,080
it had language that applied to everyone and then specified that this was only for Naranja.

2312
03:49:33,120 --> 03:49:40,940
Because this is what our county attorneys tell us that we need to do so as not to create anomalies inside the code.

2313
03:49:40,940 --> 03:49:45,660
I have to bring an item that complies with the entire code of Miami-D County.

2314
03:49:45,660 --> 03:49:47,660
That's why it refers back to those pieces.

2315
03:49:48,160 --> 03:49:59,980
I cannot create a vehicle for the acceptance of an interlocal that is different from the general rules of how an interlocal is accepted for any other modality or purpose in my opinion.

2316
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:12,820
So no, the item is not in conflict with itself, but it is specific to keep a skein as are the penalties that were negotiated with the residents of keep a skein and the village.

2317
03:50:13,280 --> 03:50:17,060
And again, I'm happy to add to this ordinance with a separate item.

2318
03:50:17,540 --> 03:50:21,300
I would ask that it have meetings and it have discussions.

2319
03:50:21,480 --> 03:50:26,060
I don't think that we should amend this so that a municipality just passes something.

2320
03:50:26,060 --> 03:50:32,120
And then all of a sudden, there's a county road that prohibits this type of modality, because

2321
03:50:32,120 --> 03:50:37,200
it is really far reaching, and what it will do is go in the other direction and get us

2322
03:50:37,200 --> 03:50:39,640
preempted when it comes to these types of regulations.

2323
03:50:40,680 --> 03:50:47,260
To the attorneys, because I'm now, now I want clarification, because both are making a good

2324
03:50:47,260 --> 03:50:47,660
argument.

2325
03:50:48,060 --> 03:50:49,040
I mean, and it's not even an argument.

2326
03:50:49,180 --> 03:50:53,120
Once making an argument, there was reading straight out of the item, which is very clear to

2327
03:50:53,120 --> 03:50:53,400
me.

2328
03:50:53,400 --> 03:50:55,880
So which one is it?

2329
03:50:56,040 --> 03:51:05,440
Can it be done today per the item already or is it specific only and exclusively to keep a skein in the bottom Rick and Barker and all that good stuff all those roads?

2330
03:51:05,940 --> 03:51:07,640
Which one is it?

2331
03:51:07,740 --> 03:51:10,560
The item could be amended today if it's the will of the board

2332
03:51:12,200 --> 03:51:13,080
Okay, but

2333
03:51:13,080 --> 03:51:14,900
That doesn't answer my question.

2334
03:51:14,960 --> 03:51:21,900
Let me just bring it in because I brought this way. Why would it need to be amended if it's already in the item?

2335
03:51:21,900 --> 03:51:27,640
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't get that part of the question because the item is written in the applicability section

2336
03:51:27,640 --> 03:51:36,040
The applicability section is now wrote to Crandon Park Boulevard in Kibitsky. Okay, perfect. All right, so that clarifies that it is not

2337
03:51:36,040 --> 03:51:41,820
Open to everyone even though it reads that it is, but it's tricky and you guys figure it out

2338
03:51:41,820 --> 03:51:50,700
Lookability is what commissioner Steinberg you recognize. Okay, so I just want to back it up my my intention of this was to honestly piggyback and give the ability, right

2339
03:51:50,700 --> 03:51:54,940
It was something to help, and I want to thank my colleagues, because honestly, the section

2340
03:51:54,940 --> 03:52:00,860
that you read actually was what prompted the whole initiation of wanting to have other

2341
03:52:00,860 --> 03:52:05,520
cities obtained because it said it there, I'm not an attorney, it read in a way that made

2342
03:52:05,520 --> 03:52:05,920
sense.

2343
03:52:06,080 --> 03:52:08,920
I spoke to the attorney yesterday, he said, yes, we can broaden it.

2344
03:52:08,940 --> 03:52:13,140
I didn't think it was going to have a bigger impact in that way.

2345
03:52:13,340 --> 03:52:17,820
I was trying to do something to help municipalities who want to regulate on their county roads.

2346
03:52:17,820 --> 03:52:42,980
Having said that, being that Commissioner Lopez did bring up the type of speed limit that could potentially be slightly different, I would ask my colleagues for the support to wave the rules and let me at least have the ability to work on almost an amendment to this item so that we can bring something forward that may also want to help the unincorporated areas.

2347
03:52:42,980 --> 03:52:47,420
I don't know, but that way I'm not going to be blocked from bringing something.

2348
03:52:47,480 --> 03:52:48,480
Why would we need to wait the rules?

2349
03:52:48,600 --> 03:52:50,120
Because someone may have a hold on.

2350
03:52:50,180 --> 03:52:52,900
In case there's a hold she's saying, okay, so let's do this.

2351
03:52:53,400 --> 03:52:55,660
So that works, that works for me too and that makes everybody happy.

2352
03:52:56,240 --> 03:53:02,280
So let's take a vote on, let's take a vote on this item first, and if there's no further discussion on it,

2353
03:53:02,380 --> 03:53:08,200
and then we'll entertain the motion from Commissioner Steinberg on, if it exists, there may not be a hold on it.

2354
03:53:08,200 --> 03:53:12,240
But if there is, wave the rules to, so with that...

2355
03:53:12,240 --> 03:53:18,490
It's been moved by Commissioner Regalato, seconded by the Vice Chair, Clerk, please call the roll.

2356
03:53:20,810 --> 03:53:21,930
Commissioner Gonzalez.

2357
03:53:23,070 --> 03:53:23,230
Four.

2358
03:53:24,830 --> 03:53:25,270
Commissioner Lopez.

2359
03:53:26,490 --> 03:53:27,650
Commissioner Mediana Orbis.

2360
03:53:28,430 --> 03:53:29,290
Commissioner Regalado.

2361
03:53:29,670 --> 03:53:29,870
Yes.

2362
03:53:30,230 --> 03:53:31,070
Commissioner Steinberg.

2363
03:53:31,890 --> 03:53:32,650
Commissioner Bastien.

2364
03:53:33,370 --> 03:53:34,140
Commissioner Bermutis.

2365
03:53:34,750 --> 03:53:35,150
Yes.

2366
03:53:35,510 --> 03:53:36,490
Commissioner Cohen Higgins.

2367
03:53:36,930 --> 03:53:37,010
Four.

2368
03:53:37,830 --> 03:53:38,490
Senator Garcia.

2369
03:53:39,650 --> 03:53:40,370
Commissioner Gilbert.

2370
03:53:40,830 --> 03:53:41,070
Yes.

2371
03:53:41,510 --> 03:53:42,490
Vice Chairman McGee.

2372
03:53:42,490 --> 03:53:47,030
I thought when Mickey said for a skinny minute was going to be a skinny minute, but the answer is yes

2373
03:53:47,830 --> 03:53:49,350
Not in the words a rule

2374
03:53:49,350 --> 03:53:58,330
Fairmen Rodriguez. I vote yes motion passes unanimous minute with all right now commissioner Steinberg moves and the event necessary, but moves to

2375
03:54:00,630 --> 03:54:01,670
Very chairman

2376
03:54:01,670 --> 03:54:09,570
She's she's she's just brought an item then if there was a hole her bringing an item would have eliminated the hold on

2377
03:54:09,570 --> 03:54:10,850
She may have something else might happen.

2378
03:54:12,170 --> 03:54:13,730
There might be holds on another minute.

2379
03:54:15,170 --> 03:54:16,350
So, Jerry, is there-

2380
03:54:16,350 --> 03:54:18,530
We don't, I mean, we don't know if there's all,

2381
03:54:18,530 --> 03:54:20,470
but I think what's all she's saying is she would like to work

2382
03:54:20,470 --> 03:54:22,290
on an item, amending this one.

2383
03:54:22,390 --> 03:54:25,490
And so she wishes to extend that there is that the board waves

2384
03:54:25,490 --> 03:54:27,430
the rules to allow her to work on that item.

2385
03:54:28,050 --> 03:54:28,310
Okay.

2386
03:54:28,630 --> 03:54:28,810
Second.

2387
03:54:29,050 --> 03:54:29,150
I can't.

2388
03:54:29,150 --> 03:54:29,290
Second.

2389
03:54:30,230 --> 03:54:30,330
Second.

2390
03:54:30,510 --> 03:54:36,250
ever signify by saying aye? Aye. I'll oppose nay. Show that being the case.

2391
03:54:36,410 --> 03:54:41,050
Phil, Mr. Chairman, we just placed the Steinberg in first place now on the whole list.

2392
03:54:41,550 --> 03:54:45,470
If there is one. Yeah, we did. We did. On that one item, so I should

2393
03:54:45,470 --> 03:54:51,970
congrats the Steinberg. All right. So, Vice Chair, do you want to take up point of

2394
03:54:51,970 --> 03:54:57,950
personal privilege to recognize some of your interns? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman,

2395
03:54:57,950 --> 03:54:59,970
And today we have the future of America.

2396
03:55:01,280 --> 03:55:15,700
I'm going to ask those young ladies and young men who have actually interning in my office to stand up and be recognized. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the future of America. So stand up. These are our interns who are working in the community and showing that things move.

2397
03:55:18,070 --> 03:55:32,030
Mr. Chairman, I have the honor and privilege of actually representing these young individuals, but they represent the community and they're a total of 21 of them working out of our office. Each year we have at least 20 interns, and we're going to

2398
03:55:32,030 --> 03:55:38,730
And so each year we try to show the force of what the future is going to be like by way of these individuals.

2399
03:55:38,990 --> 03:55:39,670
So thank you, Mr. Chairman.

2400
03:55:40,430 --> 03:55:41,090
Thank you, Vice Chair.

2401
03:55:41,290 --> 03:55:46,230
And thank you all for being here today and being interns for the Vice Chair.

2402
03:55:46,890 --> 03:55:49,350
All right, moving on with our list.

2403
03:55:50,230 --> 03:55:52,390
I've got, is 5F next?

2404
03:55:53,010 --> 03:55:53,310
Yes.

2405
03:55:54,250 --> 03:55:57,030
Okay, so our entertain, emotional 5F.

2406
03:55:57,130 --> 03:55:58,730
We do have, obviously, by-for-cated.

2407
03:55:58,990 --> 03:56:00,310
It's been moved by the Vice Chair.

2408
03:56:01,390 --> 03:56:09,150
seconded by Commissioner Lopez and then Commissioner Regalado just as a point of point of privilege

2409
03:56:09,150 --> 03:56:14,590
I just want to make sure that the attorneys had that vote for also 11824 the two of them went together

2410
03:56:14,590 --> 03:56:16,570
I don't know if when they read it they said that

2411
03:56:17,950 --> 03:56:18,550
The attorneys

2412
03:56:20,980 --> 03:56:23,780
that's why we pulled it so that they could go together

2413
03:56:26,450 --> 03:56:33,230
We did not but I mean we can do it now. These there's discretion in 11824 we'll take it in a second

2414
03:56:33,230 --> 03:56:38,770
because I already have a motion in a second on 5F and you recognize Regulato on 5F as of by forgetting.

2415
03:56:40,030 --> 03:56:42,610
All right, we'll go, go to 5F and we'll come back.

2416
03:56:43,230 --> 03:56:45,990
We'll go right back to it but I already have a motion in a second so.

2417
03:56:56,290 --> 03:57:02,530
So on 5F, I just want to mention something to the board just to give you some numbers.

2418
03:57:02,710 --> 03:57:12,710
We have a lot of bond items that we're added to this agenda and I want to speak a little bit later specifically about the port one.

2419
03:57:12,710 --> 03:57:20,230
but just to give you an idea on the number, if you combine all these items, you get in this

2420
03:57:20,230 --> 03:57:33,110
agenda alone, we're drawing down or authorizing $1.7 billion. We have five E, that is the transit for

2421
03:57:33,110 --> 03:57:40,330
35 million. We have five F, 38 million for capital that we're discussing now. We have five G,

2422
03:57:40,330 --> 03:57:44,530
35 million for general obligation.

2423
03:57:45,550 --> 03:58:00,990
We have public facilities in 5H, 275 million, we have 5I, which is the one that I'm most interested in, 700 million, we have 5J, 400, 480 million.

2424
03:58:01,550 --> 03:58:09,530
And the total is 2.1 billion but then you back out what we're paying down for debt that we've already issued.

2425
03:58:10,570 --> 03:58:32,210
This particular one, this particular one, I, it's a little concerning because this is the one that functions a little bit like a credit card, and I just want everyone to understand that A, we're drawing down at a time where interest rates are very high, B, we could continue doing it the way that we've been doing it with the short term financing.

2426
03:58:32,810 --> 03:58:39,010
We don't know what's going to happen with property taxes and all of this impacts are debt financing.

2427
03:58:39,330 --> 03:58:41,210
So our debt financing goes up.

2428
03:58:41,450 --> 03:58:43,970
This is a lot of drawdown.

2429
03:58:44,590 --> 03:58:48,030
So I just, you know, everyone wants to be a fiscal conservative.

2430
03:58:48,970 --> 03:58:54,710
I'm not against some of these, but it is a lot of money that we're drawing down.

2431
03:58:54,710 --> 03:58:59,630
I've looked at the programming, some of it is good, some of it.

2432
03:58:59,630 --> 03:59:18,610
When we talk about the port, I disagree with, given everything that's happening there, but I think we should all be very mindful of the impact that this amount of drawdown is going to have on next year's budget specifically on the debt financing aspect and what we're paying.

2433
03:59:18,650 --> 03:59:24,630
We're pushing all of this out 30 years and in many cases we're paying over a 6%.

2434
03:59:25,410 --> 03:59:33,730
All right. Madam Mayor. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just want to say that I utilized my

2435
03:59:33,730 --> 03:59:38,730
prerogative under the charter to put an item on the agenda today to be 14 that actually

2436
03:59:38,730 --> 03:59:44,450
addresses this very issue. But because it wasn't pulled by any commissioner, it's not on

2437
03:59:44,450 --> 03:59:48,830
your discussion agendas, but I would like to take under my authority under the charter

2438
03:59:48,830 --> 03:59:54,030
just a moment to highlight for you what we've been able to do with our credit rating in our

2439
03:59:54,030 --> 03:59:59,970
here in the county because I've become mayor. So I'm extremely proud of this

2440
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:10,460
And that's why I put together that report for you. And it underscores our strong financial position, the policy effectiveness and our transparent governance profile.

2441
04:00:10,900 --> 04:00:27,780
And in fact, we have saved, as of the last count, $800 million of tax payer money because we have been able to renegotiate 13 credit rating upgrades, and we have consistently strong across multiple credits from the national rating agencies.

2442
04:00:27,780 --> 04:00:34,080
So, obviously, when they give us those ratings and we're able to renegotiate our bonds favorably,

2443
04:00:34,580 --> 04:00:37,440
that's because they look at our policies and they feel confident.

2444
04:00:38,180 --> 04:00:43,560
So I just wanted to let you know that, yes, of course, we have to be very mindful of how much money

2445
04:00:43,560 --> 04:00:44,160
we borrow.

2446
04:00:44,540 --> 04:00:50,060
We also know that if tax reform passes, that will compromise our ability.

2447
04:00:50,840 --> 04:00:53,300
So that is something to be mindful of looking ahead.

2448
04:00:53,300 --> 04:00:58,240
But we are we have one of the strongest ratings anywhere in the country.

2449
04:00:58,760 --> 04:01:04,360
So I think we should be very proud of that and because it has not been an official regular report to the board.

2450
04:01:04,660 --> 04:01:11,440
I commend to you item 2b14. Please look at it. There's details there and we have our bond leader.

2451
04:01:11,900 --> 04:01:16,960
Our list of wood with us here. She has won the national bond.

2452
04:01:16,960 --> 04:01:24,620
I'm going to call her council, but council of the year award and went to watch to New York City to receive that prize last year.

2453
04:01:24,940 --> 04:01:28,360
So we have very, very strong fiscal management in the county.

2454
04:01:28,640 --> 04:01:29,780
Make you matter, Mr. Chair.

2455
04:01:30,100 --> 04:01:34,100
No, we're just not going to do this because I knew when the mayor spoke, everyone, they knew when I want to respond.

2456
04:01:34,580 --> 04:01:34,940
We're good.

2457
04:01:35,340 --> 04:01:36,760
Clerk, please call the roll.

2458
04:01:39,650 --> 04:01:40,330
Commissioner Lopez?

2459
04:01:42,350 --> 04:01:43,430
Commissioner Miliano Orbus?

2460
04:01:44,150 --> 04:01:44,970
Commissioner Regalado?

2461
04:01:45,270 --> 04:01:46,390
No, on this one.

2462
04:01:47,250 --> 04:01:48,150
Commissioner Steinberg?

2463
04:01:48,150 --> 04:01:58,530
Commissioner Bustian, Commissioner Bermutus, Commissioner Cornhiggins, or Senator Garcia, Commissioner Gilbert,

2464
04:01:59,050 --> 04:02:00,310
Yes, on this one.

2465
04:02:00,630 --> 04:02:01,330
Commissioner Gonzalez,

2466
04:02:06,190 --> 04:02:06,990
Vice Chairman McGee?

2467
04:02:07,910 --> 04:02:08,990
Yes, not to this one.

2468
04:02:10,730 --> 04:02:10,770
Yes.

2469
04:02:10,790 --> 04:02:11,310
Chairman Rodriguez?

2470
04:02:11,850 --> 04:02:12,810
I vote yes.

2471
04:02:13,290 --> 04:02:14,550
Motion passes 10 to 1.

2472
04:02:15,210 --> 04:02:16,070
All right.

2473
04:02:16,590 --> 04:02:17,350
All right.

2474
04:02:17,350 --> 04:02:21,310
5G and 5H, Commissioner Regalada, you

2475
04:02:21,310 --> 04:02:24,330
bifurcated both with them. I don't know if you want to speak on them separately, or if they can

2476
04:02:25,790 --> 04:02:30,850
no. G and 5H. I think you, I think it was you.

2477
04:02:32,130 --> 04:02:36,130
So first, I'll entertain a motion on 5G and 5H. It's been moving a Commissioner

2478
04:02:36,130 --> 04:02:39,930
Coenagan seconded by Commissioner Bustian, Commissioner Regalada, you're recognized.

2479
04:02:40,990 --> 04:02:45,130
I'm fine. I mean, I think the Admiralorum is the bigger issue because of the impact that it has

2480
04:02:45,130 --> 04:02:51,250
on the debt service. I think it's on these. We're paying down some of it and we're still

2481
04:02:51,250 --> 04:02:57,230
pulling down a lot, but I looked over the list and it's not egregious. So happy to move

2482
04:02:57,230 --> 04:03:03,470
it. All right. So it's been moved. It's been seconded. Clerk, please call the roll on 5G and 5H.

2483
04:03:03,810 --> 04:03:08,490
Commissioner Milian Norbus. Commissioner Regalado. Yes. Commissioner Steinberg.

2484
04:03:15,840 --> 04:03:16,360
Commissioner

2485
04:03:16,360 --> 04:03:29,380
Four, Senator Garcia, Commissioner Gilbert, Commissioner Gonzalez, four, Commissioner Lopez, yes, by Chairman McGee, yes, Chairman Rodriguez, I vote yes,

2486
04:03:29,380 --> 04:03:32,400
Motion passes unanimously. All right, I'll entertain a motion on five.

2487
04:03:32,400 --> 04:03:40,830
to move by Commissioner Bastien seconded by Commissioner Gilbert. And then I have Commissioner

2488
04:03:40,830 --> 04:03:46,790
Bermuda's an Orbis as bifurcating the item. Just to vote no. Just to vote no. Okay

2489
04:03:46,790 --> 04:03:53,770
Clerk, please call the roll. Commissioner Regalado. Yes. Commissioner Steinberg. Commissioner

2490
04:03:53,770 --> 04:04:01,250
Bastien. Commissioner Bermuda's. Nope. Commissioner Cohen Higgins. No. Senator Garcia.

2491
04:04:03,170 --> 04:04:06,070
Commissioner Gilbert, Commissioner Gonzalez?

2492
04:04:06,570 --> 04:04:07,130
No.

2493
04:04:08,770 --> 04:04:10,010
Commissioner Lopez? Yes.

2494
04:04:10,990 --> 04:04:11,710
Commissioner McGeean Orbus?

2495
04:04:11,870 --> 04:04:12,190
No.

2496
04:04:14,560 --> 04:04:15,420
Vice Chairman McGee?

2497
04:04:18,750 --> 04:04:19,110
Yes.

2498
04:04:21,260 --> 04:04:21,760
Chairman Rodriguez?

2499
04:04:22,100 --> 04:04:22,840
I vote no.

2500
04:04:23,940 --> 04:04:25,460
Motion passes seven to five.

2501
04:04:25,720 --> 04:04:27,400
All right, I want to obtain a motion of five.

2502
04:04:27,440 --> 04:04:28,060
Bye-bye.

2503
04:04:28,580 --> 04:04:28,840
Five.

2504
04:04:29,600 --> 04:04:29,800
I.

2505
04:04:31,300 --> 04:04:32,020
You want to buy for Kate?

2506
04:04:32,140 --> 04:04:32,660
I mean, it was.

2507
04:04:32,680 --> 04:04:33,140
No.

2508
04:04:33,140 --> 04:04:33,280
No.

2509
04:04:33,280 --> 04:04:33,360
No.

2510
04:04:33,360 --> 04:04:34,940
If I was, was, was, was, was bifurcated.

2511
04:04:37,140 --> 04:04:39,960
Okay. Five I. I didn't have it on my list, but five I.

2512
04:04:40,020 --> 04:04:44,540
Yes, it was five I. Okay. Did you do bifurcate that one or? We also need to go back and take that

2513
04:04:44,540 --> 04:04:49,480
other vote, right? All right. So, let's take that other vote that goes with, which is the one,

2514
04:04:49,600 --> 04:04:55,800
what's the item that? 11, 8, 24, 11, 8, 24. 11, 8, 24. So, it's been moved by Commissioner

2515
04:04:56,160 --> 04:04:59,980
Regalado. Seconded by Commissioner Gilbert. Is that, I don't know.

2516
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:14,840
roll call. No, right. That's a voice vote. All in favor signify by say, and aye. All opposed, nay. All right. Was five, five, bifurcated. It was not bifurcated. I don't show it as bifurcated, but it already passed.

2517
04:05:15,100 --> 04:05:26,120
I support can discuss. I mean, at this point. Well, I mean, I'm requested it to be bifurcated. I don't know what happened. I'm going to vote no, and I want to discuss it. The thing is it already passed. So I need to reconsider the whole.

2518
04:05:26,120 --> 04:05:30,960
That's what you could change your vote with, we could discuss and I think you could change your vote with the clerk.

2519
04:05:33,400 --> 04:05:36,160
Okay, so it is a public hearing item.

2520
04:05:36,760 --> 04:05:41,060
If the board wishes to reconsider it, it would have to be renewed as we're past the item.

2521
04:05:41,920 --> 04:05:42,680
However, we're already past.

2522
04:05:42,760 --> 04:05:43,360
We're not doing that.

2523
04:05:43,480 --> 04:05:43,600
Okay.

2524
04:05:43,600 --> 04:05:44,920
The commission, the question is Jerry.

2525
04:05:45,580 --> 04:05:45,600
Yes.

2526
04:05:45,640 --> 04:05:47,040
And then we should change your vote with the clerk.

2527
04:05:48,000 --> 04:05:49,200
She can change her vote.

2528
04:05:49,360 --> 04:05:52,180
What I would suggest, though, is because we've moved on,

2529
04:05:52,180 --> 04:05:57,680
Just we'd have to wave the rules to allow her to change her vote and record it as a no for five

2530
04:05:57,680 --> 04:06:02,860
Okay, so we could do that. I'm okay with that for the purposes of the vote right, but I also wanted to discuss it

2531
04:06:02,860 --> 04:06:08,120
So yeah, I want to discuss it. I I pulled it. I don't know what happened. I I can show what I pulled

2532
04:06:08,620 --> 04:06:12,840
It's on my list that even mentioned it when the portrait was on here that I was gonna talk about the item

2533
04:06:12,840 --> 04:06:17,240
So I don't know where the disconnect is, but I'm not doubting it. I just I'm not reopening

2534
04:06:18,260 --> 04:06:21,580
Public hearing because some folks may have left already so to the attorneys

2535
04:06:22,140 --> 04:06:27,340
But we don't have to open the open public hearing from you can still discuss it without me opening up public hearing. Yes

2536
04:06:27,340 --> 04:06:32,940
Yes, so a motion can you want to do a motion on 5A just so you could record your no vote?

2537
04:06:33,180 --> 04:06:40,080
Yes, so a motion by Commissioner Regalado seconded by Steinberg all in favor of that signify by say and I

2538
04:06:40,080 --> 04:06:41,900
All opposed me, okay, so that

2539
04:06:41,900 --> 04:06:49,920
You show Commissioner Regalado as a no vote. That's just a motion waving the rules not on the item itself. Yes, correct and now do I need the item again?

2540
04:06:49,920 --> 04:06:52,700
Okay, so now you can discuss.

2541
04:06:52,980 --> 04:06:53,380
Thank you.

2542
04:06:53,420 --> 04:06:54,100
Five aye.

2543
04:06:54,680 --> 04:06:55,540
All right.

2544
04:06:55,980 --> 04:06:57,200
So five aye.

2545
04:06:57,360 --> 04:07:01,380
I just want to mention a few things on five aye that I find concerning.

2546
04:07:02,060 --> 04:07:06,860
I understand that we're retiring the outstanding commercial paper.

2547
04:07:06,940 --> 04:07:11,040
I have no issue with the 200 million for that.

2548
04:07:11,040 --> 04:07:14,520
This is a common vehicle and the interest rate is fine.

2549
04:07:14,520 --> 04:07:24,560
My concern with this item which is 700 in total is the 380 million for a series of projects.

2550
04:07:25,140 --> 04:07:29,880
The projects unlike many of the other items do not have the amounts.

2551
04:07:30,900 --> 04:07:36,060
If you go through the item you in exhibit A in particular you can figure out what they are.

2552
04:07:36,380 --> 04:07:38,400
Some of them we've heard about before.

2553
04:07:38,400 --> 04:07:46,760
For example, the new birth and 10 in terminal G expansion, rail and gate expansion, the

2554
04:07:46,760 --> 04:07:51,200
the gantry cranes, which we've been asking for a very long time, what is the cost of those?

2555
04:07:51,220 --> 04:07:56,320
There is no enumeration of that, and there's more information on port infrastructure.

2556
04:07:56,960 --> 04:08:01,500
A lot of these items when I went and I compared it to the capital plan and to the other port items,

2557
04:08:01,980 --> 04:08:08,320
there were numbers, and I think the reason why there's no numbers in this item is because this item also

2558
04:08:08,320 --> 04:08:15,340
includes the fuel facility property. So in this item we're drawing down for that purchase.

2559
04:08:15,820 --> 04:08:24,060
We are currently in litigation for a taking on that and I don't understand why we're drawing

2560
04:08:24,060 --> 04:08:30,940
down without specificity because we cannot put a number on that. I think that given the litigation

2561
04:08:30,940 --> 04:08:35,960
and everything that's happening at the port, we should continue financing with commercial paper

2562
04:08:35,960 --> 04:08:47,520
and wait for us to have an actual number before we draw down, specifically in terms of the current market conditions.

2563
04:08:48,140 --> 04:08:54,780
You know, right now, Munis have flooded. We have 45% above the two decade average.

2564
04:08:55,240 --> 04:09:01,160
And while I agree with the mayor that we have been able to save by restructuring our debt,

2565
04:09:01,160 --> 04:09:06,740
as in the case of the transit item, I do not believe that this is the case with this item.

2566
04:09:07,200 --> 04:09:13,580
This item is being done this way so that the county has access to funding that this board

2567
04:09:13,580 --> 04:09:18,780
then has to approve and I think that we should wait for this board to approve that because

2568
04:09:18,780 --> 04:09:23,140
we're putting the card in front of the horse. We have a litigation, we haven't decided on a

2569
04:09:23,140 --> 04:09:29,840
price and now we're drawing down money just to have it there at a very high cost to the county.

2570
04:09:29,840 --> 04:09:39,920
And the fact that the port is an enterprise fund does it, does it, does it remediate the issue that we're approving a bond that does not have numbers attached to these projects?

2571
04:09:40,180 --> 04:09:49,040
It is very fungible. And I don't understand why we're doing this at this moment. This can wait. We can continue having commercial paper.

2572
04:09:49,180 --> 04:09:53,760
The port leadership is currently in transition. Today we hired a new director.

2573
04:09:53,760 --> 04:09:59,980
So why are we doing this without waiting for that director to determine what exactly need

2574
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:07,700
It's to be done at the port. I think part of the problem here is that we continue running port Miami as if there's no problems, even though there's a million problems.

2575
04:10:08,200 --> 04:10:28,520
The last issue that I want to point out here is included in this laundry list of issues, of projects that we're going to find is the connection to the connection that we did at the port.

2576
04:10:28,520 --> 04:10:35,860
the shore power. And what I want some information from our attorneys regarding shore power, I don't

2577
04:10:35,860 --> 04:10:40,880
understand why we're still talking about shore power. Brian Avila passed an item that I think

2578
04:10:40,880 --> 04:10:47,660
dramatically changes shore power. We now have to look at everything that has to do with green

2579
04:10:47,660 --> 04:10:52,740
energy. shore power was way more expensive than what we were originally told. We have not been

2580
04:10:52,740 --> 04:10:58,280
given all the numbers on shore power. And now we're drawing down money to extend a program that

2581
04:10:58,280 --> 04:11:03,120
I think we're going to be prohibited from doing at the port because of its high cost.

2582
04:11:03,500 --> 04:11:08,560
Short power has ended up being more expensive to the cruise lines than the other alternatives.

2583
04:11:09,120 --> 04:11:11,440
And I don't think that we should draw down for short power.

2584
04:11:12,000 --> 04:11:16,740
We need actual numbers on which short power has cost, what the extension to short power was.

2585
04:11:16,980 --> 04:11:20,200
If this was electric buses, everyone would be here on fire.

2586
04:11:20,700 --> 04:11:22,100
Short power is no different.

2587
04:11:22,880 --> 04:11:25,620
So we can't keep making the same mistake.

2588
04:11:25,620 --> 04:11:28,280
The only thing I ask the administration is to make different mistakes.

2589
04:11:28,800 --> 04:11:33,840
In this particular one, we know that short-powered is problematic, so why is it on here?

2590
04:11:34,520 --> 04:11:39,220
And if the attorneys could speak a little bit as to short-power, and if we've made a determination

2591
04:11:39,220 --> 04:11:45,540
as to its applicability, given the state law that recently asked us to scrutinize these

2592
04:11:45,540 --> 04:11:48,180
projects in terms of their return on investment.

2593
04:11:50,310 --> 04:11:50,590
Thank you.

2594
04:11:51,230 --> 04:11:51,590
All right.

2595
04:11:53,650 --> 04:11:55,410
Five, five, oh.

2596
04:11:55,410 --> 04:12:01,050
He has to respond. We're waiting for the response over there who's responding to what? What was the question?

2597
04:12:03,670 --> 04:12:04,710
County attorney

2598
04:12:04,710 --> 04:12:07,190
Is there a response for power?

2599
04:12:11,070 --> 04:12:13,170
You can respond and then would

2600
04:12:14,950 --> 04:12:18,370
Asked you the net zero legislation. Is that what it's for right to?

2601
04:12:18,850 --> 04:12:20,050
The net zero realization

2602
04:12:21,730 --> 04:12:22,250
Is

2603
04:12:23,170 --> 04:12:29,730
Actions of the county government or state governments are problematic if it's solely in advance of a net zero policy.

2604
04:12:30,430 --> 04:12:39,410
If there are other reasons or other considerations, even environmental reasons that does not make the actions or the policies illegal.

2605
04:12:39,870 --> 04:12:43,070
But what about the requirement for the return on investment in terms of the cost?

2606
04:12:43,610 --> 04:12:46,090
There needs to be an analysis in terms of the cost.

2607
04:12:47,090 --> 04:12:47,970
We'll get back to you on that.

2608
04:12:48,170 --> 04:12:48,890
Thank you.

2609
04:12:48,890 --> 04:12:58,390
All right, so now 5.0, I want to take a motion on 5.0. Is that the next one? All right,

2610
04:12:58,490 --> 04:13:03,030
it's been moved by Commissioner Conehagan, seconded by Gilbert, and then I have Orbis and Garcia,

2611
04:13:03,190 --> 04:13:07,910
as bifurcating commissioners, is it? Yes, yes, it's in my district. Okay, Commissioner.

2612
04:13:08,190 --> 04:13:10,070
I'm going to say something on the record. Go ahead, Commissioner.

2613
04:13:10,710 --> 04:13:16,470
So I had deferred this item twice and I understand it's quasi judicial, but it's because it's done through

2614
04:13:16,470 --> 04:13:23,390
administrative item, as I understand, and I just wanted to ensure that the residents that

2615
04:13:23,390 --> 04:13:30,030
live adjacent to this property or this parcel were aware of what was coming to their

2616
04:13:30,030 --> 04:13:34,770
neighborhood and that they had an opportunity to express any concerns. I understand that

2617
04:13:34,770 --> 04:13:39,770
administration has reached out and notified them because it's very important for me for the

2618
04:13:39,770 --> 04:13:44,490
constituents to know when it changed like this is coming to their neighborhood. So with that, thank

2619
04:13:44,490 --> 04:13:48,530
Thank you Mr. Chair. I have no further comments on this.

2620
04:13:48,890 --> 04:13:52,650
Thank you commissioner and commissioner Garcia.

2621
04:13:53,510 --> 04:13:54,930
No. Okay. All right.

2622
04:13:55,150 --> 04:13:56,110
Clerk please wait.

2623
04:13:58,450 --> 04:13:58,550
Yeah.

2624
04:13:58,630 --> 04:14:00,250
Are you supportive commissioner or office?

2625
04:14:02,600 --> 04:14:03,340
No. I'm not really.

2626
04:14:03,800 --> 04:14:05,420
But there's from what I understand.

2627
04:14:06,240 --> 04:14:08,920
It's quasi judicial so we can't.

2628
04:14:10,940 --> 04:14:10,960
We.

2629
04:14:11,560 --> 04:14:11,840
Yes.

2630
04:14:12,120 --> 04:14:12,260
Okay.

2631
04:14:12,800 --> 04:14:13,720
Okay. I'll be.

2632
04:14:13,820 --> 04:14:14,420
I'll be. No. That's okay.

2633
04:14:14,720 --> 04:14:16,300
All right. All right. All right.

2634
04:14:16,300 --> 04:14:16,700
Clerk please call.

2635
04:14:18,520 --> 04:14:21,000
Commissioner Steinberg.

2636
04:14:22,680 --> 04:14:24,000
It's been moved in seconded.

2637
04:14:25,060 --> 04:14:25,260
Yes.

2638
04:14:25,300 --> 04:14:26,200
That's it.

2639
04:14:26,280 --> 04:14:26,860
And I'll be in no.

2640
04:14:27,040 --> 04:14:27,840
Steinberg's in no.

2641
04:14:28,620 --> 04:14:29,440
Commissioner Bastien.

2642
04:14:30,600 --> 04:14:31,400
Commissioner Bramures.

2643
04:14:32,340 --> 04:14:33,320
Commissioner Cohen Higgins.

2644
04:14:34,200 --> 04:14:34,260
No.

2645
04:14:35,640 --> 04:14:36,320
Senator Garcia.

2646
04:14:38,660 --> 04:14:39,400
Commissioner Gilbert.

2647
04:14:40,840 --> 04:14:41,440
Commissioner Gonzalez.

2648
04:14:43,920 --> 04:14:44,620
Commissioner Lopez.

2649
04:14:46,720 --> 04:14:47,760
Commissioner Miguel Norbus.

2650
04:14:50,200 --> 04:14:50,960
Commissioner Regalado.

2651
04:14:51,600 --> 04:14:51,660
Yes.

2652
04:14:51,660 --> 04:14:53,320
Bye, Sherman McGee.

2653
04:15:00,020 --> 04:15:06,220
Chairman Rodriguez? I don't know. Motion fails 4 to 7. Okay.

2654
04:15:07,860 --> 04:15:14,620
I have five view. I want to attend a motion on five view. It's been moved by Commissioner Gonzalez.

2655
04:15:14,900 --> 04:15:22,200
Seconded by Commissioner Gilbert and Senator Garcia, you are, okay, clerk, clerk, please call the roll.

2656
04:15:22,200 --> 04:15:29,500
Commissioner Bastien, Commissioner Bramures, Commissioner Cone Higgins, or

2657
04:15:29,500 --> 04:15:30,880
Secondary Garcia,

2658
04:15:33,040 --> 04:15:39,280
Commissioner Gilbert, Commissioner Gonzalez, Commissioner Lopez,

2659
04:15:40,380 --> 04:15:41,560
Commissioner Milia Norbus,

2660
04:15:43,930 --> 04:15:47,990
Commissioner Regalado, Commissioner Steinberg, Vice

2661
04:15:47,990 --> 04:15:49,610
Reverend McGee? Yes.

2662
04:15:50,310 --> 04:15:51,690
Chairman Rodriguez? Yes.

2663
04:15:52,010 --> 04:15:53,530
Motion passes 11 to 1.

2664
04:15:54,650 --> 04:15:55,790
Mr. Madam Attorney.

2665
04:15:56,630 --> 04:15:58,870
Is that if for the public hearing items?

2666
04:15:59,830 --> 04:16:00,110
Yes.

2667
04:16:00,570 --> 04:16:02,950
All right, so I'm going to before we get into second reading items.

2668
04:16:03,290 --> 04:16:06,210
I'm going to pull some out of order from the pull list.

2669
04:16:06,730 --> 04:16:07,990
I'm going to pull up.

2670
04:16:09,230 --> 04:16:12,450
As I understand some folks are here for this and may have to go.

2671
04:16:12,510 --> 04:16:14,450
I'm going to pull 1114.

2672
04:16:15,630 --> 04:16:16,070
1115.

2673
04:16:17,070 --> 04:16:17,510
1116.

2674
04:16:17,510 --> 04:16:25,410
11.17 and 11.820 which are the charter review ballots and I have some pooling commissures

2675
04:16:25,410 --> 04:16:31,810
so I'm going to go ahead and take them up I guess one by one. Let's see how I try this.

2676
04:16:31,870 --> 04:16:35,430
So, a commissure from District 4, you're one of the pooling commissioners.

2677
04:16:36,790 --> 04:16:40,950
Okay, as it relates to 11.814, I wanted to be a recorded know.

2678
04:16:41,810 --> 04:16:44,870
Okay, so I'll take a vote on each one and D7.

2679
04:16:44,870 --> 04:16:48,250
Commissioner from District 7 you recognize on 1114.

2680
04:16:53,990 --> 04:16:57,510
Look in through, look in through, I'm going to show you, you got me.

2681
04:16:57,990 --> 04:17:04,610
Look in through, by the way, I have an airport. I don't know that they're waiting here, so I hope we can take it up soon. There's still a pending airport item.

2682
04:17:05,070 --> 04:17:08,250
We're going to get to all of them. I'm going to even try to get to Kelly track that I promise.

2683
04:17:10,950 --> 04:17:13,190
So this was 14.

2684
04:17:14,410 --> 04:17:17,030
Who's just doing by the state staff? 11814.

2685
04:17:18,090 --> 04:17:19,790
11814, yes. It's a charter review.

2686
04:17:22,310 --> 04:17:24,600
ballot recommendations from the task force.

2687
04:17:27,440 --> 04:17:30,200
You are at a plate, so it's not on this one.

2688
04:17:34,980 --> 04:17:38,340
The late district residents seem to run the county commission.

2689
04:17:38,860 --> 04:17:42,400
This 11-15, I'll go back to 11-14 in just a second.

2690
04:17:42,780 --> 04:17:47,640
11-15 commissioner, vice chairman, hear the one pulling commissioner.

2691
04:17:48,280 --> 04:17:50,480
Only 11.15, you're recognized.

2692
04:17:51,960 --> 04:17:53,100
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

2693
04:17:53,520 --> 04:17:56,140
Just wanted to hear from the administration and

2694
04:17:56,140 --> 04:18:00,760
where the sponsor of the item, what is it that this item seeks to do?

2695
04:18:01,300 --> 04:18:02,020
You're recognized.

2696
04:18:03,280 --> 04:18:05,780
The administration and where the attorneys are recognized to respond

2697
04:18:05,780 --> 04:18:09,440
on 11.15, what this item seeks to do.

2698
04:18:16,060 --> 04:18:17,240
Go ahead, Mr. Vice Chair.

2699
04:18:18,120 --> 04:18:20,880
This is one of the recommendations from the Charter Review Task Force.

2700
04:18:20,940 --> 04:18:23,700
Currently the Charter provides that a district commissioner

2701
04:18:23,700 --> 04:18:27,860
who wish an individual who wants to run for a district commission seat has to reside within

2702
04:18:27,860 --> 04:18:31,460
the district for at least six months prior to the election.

2703
04:18:31,580 --> 04:18:34,980
This would increase that requirement so that an individual would have to reside within the

2704
04:18:34,980 --> 04:18:38,360
district for at least a year before being eligible to run for office.

2705
04:18:39,680 --> 04:18:40,060
Yep, Vice Chairman.

2706
04:18:40,540 --> 04:18:41,240
Thank you, Mr Chairman.

2707
04:18:41,640 --> 04:18:43,640
And thank you to the County Attorney for the answer.

2708
04:18:43,880 --> 04:18:50,900
My follow-up question is, is it the same in Brewer County and Palm Beach, could they

2709
04:18:50,900 --> 04:18:56,020
have six months or do we have a year and how are we looking to the south of us in Montero County?

2710
04:18:59,400 --> 04:19:02,620
Vice Chair, I do not have the answer to that question. I would have to do some research.

2711
04:19:03,080 --> 04:19:06,360
And I can do that now while the commission deliverates.

2712
04:19:07,180 --> 04:19:10,880
My next question is also to

2713
04:19:14,080 --> 04:19:21,420
will there be a financial impact to the county as relates to this particular item?

2714
04:19:26,060 --> 04:19:27,960
I'll leave it to the administration to answer.

2715
04:19:27,960 --> 04:19:29,700
Is this on the one on the other?

2716
04:19:30,300 --> 04:19:30,900
Thank you.

2717
04:19:30,900 --> 04:19:33,020
I put them on for just the team.

2718
04:19:33,280 --> 04:19:33,760
No, this.

2719
04:19:34,040 --> 04:19:34,100
Okay.

2720
04:19:34,340 --> 04:19:36,360
The teams like they're not in their heads.

2721
04:19:36,400 --> 04:19:38,100
Do you guys want to actually acknowledge and say no?

2722
04:19:38,800 --> 04:19:39,640
Through the chair.

2723
04:19:40,220 --> 04:19:43,020
The chair of the charter reform commission is here.

2724
04:19:43,280 --> 04:19:43,740
Dennis Kerbell.

2725
04:19:44,000 --> 04:19:46,320
And I know there was substantial discussion about all of this.

2726
04:19:46,400 --> 04:19:49,040
I don't know if you would like to hear from Mr. Kerbell.

2727
04:19:49,240 --> 04:19:49,960
Come on up.

2728
04:19:50,940 --> 04:19:51,460
You're up.

2729
04:19:51,460 --> 04:19:52,880
We always love to have you in our chamber.

2730
04:19:54,320 --> 04:19:56,100
You're a recognized answer to the vice chair's question.

2731
04:19:56,100 --> 04:19:59,960
Well, shall this, this question specific shall this

2732
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:07,540
This charter review recommendation have a fiscal impact on the county.

2733
04:20:08,660 --> 04:20:11,320
In terms of, I'm sorry, this was about the qualifying period.

2734
04:20:11,680 --> 04:20:12,640
This is a qualifying period.

2735
04:20:13,160 --> 04:20:18,840
Yes. We did not specifically discuss that at the charter review task force, but I don't

2736
04:20:18,840 --> 04:20:23,580
believe it would. There's no additional money that would be required to be spent to determine

2737
04:20:23,580 --> 04:20:27,720
whether someone made the year or the six months before.

2738
04:20:28,120 --> 04:20:33,460
You're still a attorney man no matter what you can't take the lawyer out of you but by the way for the record Dennis Crabell

2739
04:20:34,320 --> 04:20:43,080
Here as the chair of the charter review task force and if I could just take a second to thank of course the mayor and all of you for your support throughout the process and to the sponsor commissioner going

2740
04:20:43,080 --> 04:20:43,840
Hey, against

2741
04:20:43,840 --> 04:20:44,560
anyway

2742
04:20:45,080 --> 04:20:46,880
Happy to help

2743
04:20:46,880 --> 04:20:51,280
Thank you Mr. Chairman for the record. We love you Dennis. Thank you

2744
04:20:51,280 --> 04:20:54,840
We will always love you, man. You are he's one of us

2745
04:20:58,600 --> 04:21:08,020
So Daniel's the next question is, do we know what's happening to the north of us to the south of us and to the west like our other counties doing this exact same thing?

2746
04:21:08,280 --> 04:21:13,720
Are they, is it six months? Is it a year? Where are we?

2747
04:21:15,280 --> 04:21:22,620
This during our deliberations on this, I don't think actually we had information specifically looking to other counties to see what they were doing.

2748
04:21:22,620 --> 04:21:28,620
this was just an item that was brought from one of the task force members and we briefly discussed

2749
04:21:29,140 --> 04:21:34,200
that the concept of it being good to be in the district for longer but it was this there were

2750
04:21:34,200 --> 04:21:37,800
other items that had comparison where staff had done research this was not one.

2751
04:21:40,790 --> 04:21:41,610
I'm just I'm just

2752
04:21:41,610 --> 04:21:49,560
asking a question because it's it's going from six months to a year something or somebody had to

2753
04:21:49,560 --> 04:21:54,660
trigger the thought right like it it and I'm just and I'm just and I'm sure it's a state law

2754
04:21:54,660 --> 04:21:58,640
something there, but I'm just trying to figure out why now. And I understand you want to

2755
04:21:58,640 --> 04:22:05,000
get it on the ballot in time, but specifically why this, like, what happened? Did something

2756
04:22:05,000 --> 04:22:05,800
trigger this?

2757
04:22:07,200 --> 04:22:11,960
There wasn't a specific event as I recall that triggered the discussion. It was a discussion

2758
04:22:11,960 --> 04:22:17,700
from one of the members. I believe it was Mayor Lawsoner. I think that would be recorded in

2759
04:22:17,700 --> 04:22:22,180
the minutes, but I don't have it memorized. That was just since we were looking at the charter

2760
04:22:22,180 --> 04:22:28,600
and making changes and looking at qualifying and other municipal election and other electoral

2761
04:22:28,600 --> 04:22:32,180
issues, that was one of the ideas that was brought up.

2762
04:22:32,900 --> 04:22:34,720
Thank you.

2763
04:22:35,200 --> 04:22:37,800
All right, Commissioner Regalado, you recognize?

2764
04:22:39,600 --> 04:22:39,840
Yeah.

2765
04:22:40,220 --> 04:22:46,330
So on 11A-14, I know that there were...

2766
04:22:46,330 --> 04:22:47,310
11.15. Sorry.

2767
04:22:47,850 --> 04:22:48,670
I haven't done.

2768
04:22:49,190 --> 04:22:49,650
You're not.

2769
04:22:50,510 --> 04:22:51,010
You're not.

2770
04:22:51,010 --> 04:22:51,550
You're not a public commissioner.

2771
04:22:51,990 --> 04:22:52,050
Okay.

2772
04:22:52,370 --> 04:22:53,410
So all right.

2773
04:22:53,570 --> 04:22:57,750
With that, I have a motion by Commissioner Cohen Higgins on 11.15.

2774
04:22:57,770 --> 04:23:00,370
I have a second by Commissioner Lopez.

2775
04:23:01,170 --> 04:23:03,830
All in favor, signify by saying aye.

2776
04:23:04,510 --> 04:23:04,550
Aye.

2777
04:23:04,550 --> 04:23:04,950
All opposed.

2778
04:23:05,430 --> 04:23:05,770
No.

2779
04:23:06,430 --> 04:23:06,930
Show.

2780
04:23:07,050 --> 04:23:08,110
Item 11.15.

2781
04:23:08,670 --> 04:23:09,470
Passed with one.

2782
04:23:09,510 --> 04:23:10,150
No vote.

2783
04:23:10,370 --> 04:23:10,530
All right.

2784
04:23:10,650 --> 04:23:12,250
Now back on 11.14.

2785
04:23:12,450 --> 04:23:13,810
Commissioner from District 7.

2786
04:23:13,930 --> 04:23:14,290
You're recognized.

2787
04:23:14,430 --> 04:23:15,270
Thank you.

2788
04:23:15,270 --> 04:23:17,890
And I want to thank everyone who participated in the Charter Review.

2789
04:23:18,010 --> 04:23:20,090
They were interesting meetings to watch.

2790
04:23:21,990 --> 04:23:29,670
And I know that one of the things that was mentioned was either increase the time or the pay.

2791
04:23:30,590 --> 04:23:34,130
And I wish we would have chosen increase the time.

2792
04:23:34,670 --> 04:23:38,370
And the reason for that is Anita takes 10 years.

2793
04:23:38,370 --> 04:23:45,330
And eight years is really not enough for someone to finalize a large scale project.

2794
04:23:46,070 --> 04:23:53,670
And what's happening to us time and time again is that whenever you're at the end of something, someone hits the reset button.

2795
04:23:54,250 --> 04:24:04,730
I think that the salary on the ballot with proposed property tax reform is a bad look.

2796
04:24:04,730 --> 04:24:16,130
I don't think it helps us, I'm not going to be in support of this, I don't think this is the right time for anyone to raise their salaries, including the Board of County Commissioners.

2797
04:24:16,490 --> 04:24:28,790
I think we all need to tighten our belts, I think it's going to be poorly received, and we need to do everything that we can to reflect that we are conscious of the tremendous need that there is in our community.

2798
04:24:29,030 --> 04:24:30,250
So I'm a no on this.

2799
04:24:30,250 --> 04:24:39,470
All right, I'm gonna not say what I wanted to say.

2800
04:24:39,470 --> 04:24:40,990
I want to say what I want to say.

2801
04:24:42,270 --> 04:24:44,370
Well, I mean, that's a great talking point,

2802
04:24:44,930 --> 04:24:46,430
but we get paid $6,000 a year.

2803
04:24:46,650 --> 04:24:50,500
So I'm happy to accept myself from it moving forward,

2804
04:24:52,290 --> 04:24:53,870
but what's right is right,

2805
04:24:55,250 --> 04:24:58,670
and this is supposed to be a part-time job,

2806
04:24:58,670 --> 04:24:59,870
and it's full time over

2807
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:08,940
Time, and all the times. So, I don't know. I mean, it's a great firm campaign and all that, but the reality is, you know, it's not realistic.

2808
04:25:09,840 --> 04:25:14,280
So, we're the largest county in the state of Florida. We have a $16,17 billion budget.

2809
04:25:15,780 --> 04:25:20,500
We do. It's not 13 to 14. What's $16,17 million? We have paid $6,000 a year.

2810
04:25:22,740 --> 04:25:31,360
Commissioner Corning, I'm going to recognize you first because you're the sponsoring commissioner from the charter review task force, but we've got a list of folks wanting to speak.

2811
04:25:31,360 --> 04:25:43,020
Thank you, Mr. Chair, and to Mr. Kerbal, the recommendation from the task force regarding the time frame for commissioners, you all recommended that we bring that when.

2812
04:25:43,520 --> 04:25:47,040
We recommend that that come in the next election cycle, so 2028.

2813
04:25:47,180 --> 04:25:50,020
Okay, and that's reflected in the report that's also on the agenda today, correct?

2814
04:25:50,020 --> 04:25:50,860
That is correct, I think.

2815
04:25:50,940 --> 04:25:53,060
So that's coming in the future.

2816
04:25:53,320 --> 04:26:00,140
And I want to be clear regarding the salary commission that was recommended by the charter review of task force.

2817
04:26:00,140 --> 04:26:04,640
It's entirely possible that the Commission can recommend a lower salary, is that correct?

2818
04:26:04,760 --> 04:26:05,180
That is correct.

2819
04:26:05,620 --> 04:26:06,700
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2820
04:26:06,980 --> 04:26:08,100
Commissioner Vermeer is the recognized.

2821
04:26:08,740 --> 04:26:14,060
First of all, I want to thank Mr. Crabel and the Charter Review Commission for taking

2822
04:26:14,060 --> 04:26:14,540
time.

2823
04:26:15,000 --> 04:26:18,740
Because I actually work, I didn't have time to watch your Commission meetings.

2824
04:26:19,280 --> 04:26:24,820
But I thank you very much for taking the time to do public service and come up with this.

2825
04:26:24,900 --> 04:26:27,740
We are not approving a salary increase here.

2826
04:26:27,740 --> 04:26:29,620
we were putting it to the voters.

2827
04:26:30,460 --> 04:26:34,020
The chairman correctly pointed out that most other counties,

2828
04:26:34,260 --> 04:26:36,060
including the one directly to the north,

2829
04:26:36,420 --> 04:26:41,320
which has part-time commissioners, uses population to pay

2830
04:26:41,320 --> 04:26:44,280
themselves and they get a really much,

2831
04:26:44,280 --> 04:26:45,260
I'm not going to talk about what they get,

2832
04:26:45,320 --> 04:26:47,200
because they get a hell of a lot more like 10 times as much.

2833
04:26:47,360 --> 04:26:50,200
But anyways, no, I didn't, 10, probably like 20, 20,

2834
04:26:50,200 --> 04:26:52,160
and they were over 100, 125,000.

2835
04:26:52,180 --> 04:26:55,740
But the point is the fact that this was created

2836
04:26:55,740 --> 04:27:00,700
When we became a homo charter county and it's never changed it's going to be very difficult to pass

2837
04:27:00,700 --> 04:27:07,960
It's a great political talking point nobody wants to get politicians salaries because nobody likes lawyers and politicians and I happen to be both

2838
04:27:07,960 --> 04:27:13,100
So having said that I've won elections because I've been very straightforward

2839
04:27:13,100 --> 04:27:16,360
And I believe that all that's being done is here's to put it to the voters

2840
04:27:16,360 --> 04:27:24,040
It's a lot better to give it to a commission to determine whether it has a commissioner cone. He can said maybe less not even more

2841
04:27:24,040 --> 04:27:33,920
You would never know, be careful what you wish for it, but the one thing that I want to point out is I did not have a chance to hear a commission, but he's because I actually have to work.

2842
04:27:34,720 --> 04:27:38,820
And that is one of the things that the public needs to understand.

2843
04:27:39,500 --> 04:27:49,120
This is a very, as the chairman said, it is a very difficult job, but luminous besides the constituent services. It takes a lot of time.

2844
04:27:49,120 --> 04:27:57,060
Later this afternoon, I'm gonna be in Naranja with some of my colleagues. Yes, I will be there at 6 o'clock

2845
04:27:58,140 --> 04:28:07,800
And I will be there because we will be sitting as the CRA for that community and a lot of times in this county

2846
04:28:07,800 --> 04:28:08,800
It's always

2847
04:28:09,600 --> 04:28:11,760
What sounds good as a sound bite?

2848
04:28:11,760 --> 04:28:18,380
I trust me there was a lot of county commissioners. I don't have to go too far that I maybe didn't like in the past

2849
04:28:18,380 --> 04:28:23,600
But I always felt that they certainly, it wasn't fair.

2850
04:28:23,860 --> 04:28:30,620
As Commissioner Moss once said, you know, all those years in the amount that he technically

2851
04:28:30,620 --> 04:28:32,340
got every year was a minimal amount.

2852
04:28:32,660 --> 04:28:34,480
So I want to thank you guys for the work.

2853
04:28:34,960 --> 04:28:37,520
I'm going to support it because it's being put in front of the voters.

2854
04:28:37,540 --> 04:28:41,780
I want to be clear that nobody here is saying give us a bigger salary, because that's what's

2855
04:28:41,780 --> 04:28:42,660
going to be placed in the paper.

2856
04:28:42,780 --> 04:28:43,340
I want to be clear.

2857
04:28:43,400 --> 04:28:47,840
It's up to the voters to the side, and if the voters decide no, then they'll decide

2858
04:28:47,840 --> 04:28:52,540
I don't know, as they have in the past, which is the true democracy, which is the way

2859
04:28:52,540 --> 04:28:54,540
it should be, okay?

2860
04:28:55,160 --> 04:28:56,620
And that is fine.

2861
04:28:57,000 --> 04:28:59,680
And then probably half of the people who are moved to Broward and run over there because

2862
04:28:59,680 --> 04:29:00,620
a button, I'm not just kidding.

2863
04:29:01,920 --> 04:29:08,420
But the bottom line is it is not, you know, whether it's three terms or two terms.

2864
04:29:09,240 --> 04:29:11,480
A lot of these things will never get done in our time.

2865
04:29:11,580 --> 04:29:14,980
One of the reasons we haven't been able to pass some transportation,

2866
04:29:17,320 --> 04:29:17,820
some of the things

2867
04:29:17,820 --> 04:29:23,200
on transportation that we need to pass is because guess what? As I've said, I had nauseam in 2003,

2868
04:29:24,200 --> 04:29:29,680
there was a smart plan. Everybody liked it. We said here today, 2020, and we're still talking

2869
04:29:29,680 --> 04:29:34,020
about the same thing. So I don't know two terms of three terms will make a difference, but I will tell you this.

2870
04:29:35,860 --> 04:29:45,440
I do think this group of people, and I served not in 2012, where Senator Garcia was the vice chair,

2871
04:29:45,440 --> 04:29:53,420
and HD Smith was a chair, and we proposed many things to the county commission, including many ethical reforms that did not pass.

2872
04:29:54,060 --> 04:29:56,780
But there are certain things that did pass, including term limits.

2873
04:29:57,660 --> 04:29:59,980
So one of the things that is...

2874
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:06,560
It's still allowed the voters in Miami-Dade County to decide. The chances of a passing are probably

2875
04:30:07,280 --> 04:30:13,980
almost as good as Kate Verde actually winning the World Cup. But the fact is, it's up to the voters.

2876
04:30:14,280 --> 04:30:20,980
And I don't want anybody quoting us as saying that voting for this is an increase in salaries because it's not.

2877
04:30:21,100 --> 04:30:28,140
It's a vote to put it in front of the voters. And by the way, most of us, including me, probably won't be around if it does pass the

2878
04:30:28,140 --> 04:30:29,700
it, you know, the benefits of it.

2879
04:30:29,740 --> 04:30:36,340
So the point is, if there are any, the bottom line is, thank you for your service.

2880
04:30:36,640 --> 04:30:39,960
I served on the Priorit Charter Review Committee with then Senator.

2881
04:30:40,460 --> 04:30:42,400
Well, I guess I still got a com Senator.

2882
04:30:43,220 --> 04:30:45,280
He doesn't know what I want to com later, but that's a different thing.

2883
04:30:47,360 --> 04:30:51,200
The things, I think, I thank you for your time because I know it takes a lot of time and

2884
04:30:51,200 --> 04:30:51,900
a lot of effort.

2885
04:30:52,060 --> 04:30:58,040
And I know you guys were well thought out and went through a very, that's

2886
04:30:58,040 --> 04:31:03,760
call it difficult process and it's not easy to submit these things to the county commission

2887
04:31:03,760 --> 04:31:08,540
and it's not easy for this August body to take a vote putting them to the voters, but

2888
04:31:08,540 --> 04:31:10,520
it's probably our obligation to do it.

2889
04:31:11,560 --> 04:31:14,840
Yeah, and I'll now know before I recognize Commissioner Gilbert, thank you Dennis for leading

2890
04:31:14,840 --> 04:31:18,900
the efforts in this try to read your task force as a good point and the vice chair, but

2891
04:31:18,900 --> 04:31:20,420
the vice chair was redundant, right?

2892
04:31:20,440 --> 04:31:20,940
That's correct.

2893
04:31:21,120 --> 04:31:26,900
My appointment speaker does it for the Florida House, so both very busy folks and you all

2894
04:31:26,900 --> 04:31:31,940
of your time in addition to a lot of the charter review task force members that participate

2895
04:31:31,940 --> 04:31:32,300
in it.

2896
04:31:32,360 --> 04:31:34,880
So thank you all for your time on this.

2897
04:31:34,880 --> 04:31:38,880
This is something that we do every several years, and it's very important for our county.

2898
04:31:39,120 --> 04:31:39,980
So I appreciate that.

2899
04:31:39,980 --> 04:31:41,860
Thank you, Mr. and Gilbert.

2900
04:31:42,240 --> 04:31:43,160
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

2901
04:31:43,280 --> 04:31:43,760
It's my understanding.

2902
04:31:43,800 --> 04:31:45,520
This is going to go on the ballot in 2028.

2903
04:31:47,080 --> 04:31:48,760
The ones we're discussing are now.

2904
04:31:48,940 --> 04:31:55,060
There was a question about term limits being extended and that will be on the ballot in 2028.

2905
04:31:55,820 --> 04:31:58,480
All of these are going to be all about it this year.

2906
04:31:58,660 --> 04:32:02,820
I don't have an Jackson-Soletti in the Voters side.

2907
04:32:03,680 --> 04:32:05,360
I don't know, but I'm Jackson-Letti Voters side.

2908
04:32:06,500 --> 04:32:13,600
What we did in Miami Gardens, my city, is our charter was actually modeled after the county's

2909
04:32:13,600 --> 04:32:16,980
charter on salaries, and we put salaries in the charter.

2910
04:32:18,340 --> 04:32:23,580
On my way out, I actually sponsored the item so that it would affect them, not because

2911
04:32:23,580 --> 04:32:27,700
I need it more money, but I need it to structurally make leadership and public service available

2912
04:32:27,700 --> 04:32:28,520
to more people.

2913
04:32:29,540 --> 04:32:38,340
So we had this conversation because we have it in the context of the people who are here and

2914
04:32:38,340 --> 04:32:41,720
we're all elected officials who are politicians right now.

2915
04:32:42,080 --> 04:32:47,340
I think about it and I was thinking about it when I left Miami Gardens in terms of the

2916
04:32:47,340 --> 04:32:55,640
people who could serve. So realistically, could folks who aren't professional and have an independent

2917
04:32:55,640 --> 04:33:04,820
source of income afford to serve. Could teachers really just really afford to serve on this

2918
04:33:04,820 --> 04:33:10,460
accounts or could some blue collar workers could out those are things that I asked myself.

2919
04:33:10,460 --> 04:33:14,760
And so when we look at the type of public servants that we have,

2920
04:33:15,360 --> 04:33:21,360
it's in large part, it's dictated by the framework of public service that we create.

2921
04:33:22,380 --> 04:33:32,460
And so I wanted to give the voters of Miami Gardens an opportunity to actually have their say on it.

2922
04:33:32,460 --> 04:33:37,500
independently had their say it and in the in the entrance what I did was I went out with a

2923
04:33:37,500 --> 04:33:43,160
camera and I asked people questions I said how much do you think the mirror makes and we got

2924
04:33:43,160 --> 04:33:50,260
all of these wonderful answers it was like $300,000 and $400,000 and when you would say back then

2925
04:33:50,260 --> 04:33:56,880
that you would say it was $42,000 and they were all completely shocked and I said how much do you

2926
04:33:56,880 --> 04:34:03,320
think a city council person makes and they would say $100,000 dollars and then when you

2927
04:34:03,320 --> 04:34:10,060
told them it was $1000 a month they were all shocked. That was the entirety of the campaign.

2928
04:34:11,620 --> 04:34:20,740
I didn't ask them to vote for anything. I just simply took campaign money and educated them.

2929
04:34:22,150 --> 04:34:28,170
This is what actually happens. This is what they actually made. I don't know what the voters will

2930
04:34:28,170 --> 04:34:36,490
if we put this before them. I do know that somewhere somehow we have to make public service

2931
04:34:36,490 --> 04:34:46,650
more accessible to people who aren't professional or independently wealthy or entrepreneurs who

2932
04:34:46,650 --> 04:34:56,430
can take the time off, we have to make this full-time job have a full-time compensation so that

2933
04:34:56,430 --> 04:34:59,790
The vast majority of the residents of Miami-Day County.

2934
04:35:00,140 --> 04:35:24,900
It actually becomes accessible to them. And so right now I don't feel like that it is. And, you know, we'll sit here and we talk about a lot of our, we pass union contracts all the time. As yourself, could a lot of the members of United here actually afford to be a county commission and with the time that it takes.

2935
04:35:24,900 --> 04:35:30,040
And the money that it pays, and their obligations still to their families.

2936
04:35:31,740 --> 04:35:34,560
Those are the questions I asked myself when I consider these.

2937
04:35:35,500 --> 04:35:39,520
When I did it in Miami Gardens, I did it in my way out so it wouldn't affect me.

2938
04:35:39,780 --> 04:35:41,420
This won't affect me either.

2939
04:35:42,160 --> 04:35:44,120
I'm very comfortable putting this to the voters.

2940
04:35:44,260 --> 04:35:45,100
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

2941
04:35:46,840 --> 04:35:49,480
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

2942
04:35:49,500 --> 04:35:50,820
I have a question for Dennis Dennis.

2943
04:35:50,840 --> 04:35:53,460
How was the genesis of this item in the commission?

2944
04:35:53,460 --> 04:35:54,340
I'm just curious.

2945
04:35:55,300 --> 04:36:02,360
So one of the topics that we had set out at the beginning to discuss was Commission salaries.

2946
04:36:03,240 --> 04:36:07,520
For exactly the reasons is Commissioner Gilbert and Commissioner Bermuda's have articulated

2947
04:36:07,520 --> 04:36:09,160
and the chair.

2948
04:36:09,820 --> 04:36:17,880
Just a concern about making sure that it was possible for people to serve people from a broad variety.

2949
04:36:18,960 --> 04:36:21,220
And so then the question just became how to achieve that.

2950
04:36:21,220 --> 04:36:27,860
We knew that having the number in the charter was a problem, but replacing a number with a number was a problem.

2951
04:36:28,480 --> 04:36:37,800
We looked at formulas, and then Commissioner Moss is actually the one who was the genesis of this idea of, let's create a process.

2952
04:36:40,000 --> 04:36:50,080
And that got the consensus among the task force members that this, if we replace the number with a process, that might be more palatable with the voters,

2953
04:36:50,080 --> 04:36:56,320
especially given the composition of the salary commission as people who don't have an interest in

2954
04:36:57,120 --> 04:37:04,040
things that this board may do. So financially anyway. So it was in keeping with what Commissioner

2955
04:37:04,040 --> 04:37:11,320
Gilbert said that there was concern that not just anyone could serve as a commissioner because of the

2956
04:37:11,320 --> 04:37:19,320
$6,000 annual salary. Yes. Interesting. And was there consensus on the commission? I believe this

2957
04:37:19,320 --> 04:37:25,020
passed unanimously. Once we coalesced around the idea of the salary commission.

2958
04:37:25,380 --> 04:37:28,980
What was their public input regarding this particular issue?

2959
04:37:30,620 --> 04:37:34,540
We had numerous public meetings. I think we have recorded what public comments there were.

2960
04:37:34,560 --> 04:37:38,480
Every meeting was public and we occasionally had speakers. I don't specifically remember that.

2961
04:37:38,580 --> 04:37:41,820
Do you recall anyone opposing the idea of a salary commission?

2962
04:37:42,640 --> 04:37:44,120
No. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Chairman.

2963
04:37:44,120 --> 04:37:54,260
Thank you Mr. Chairman, I don't doubt anything that Commissioner Gilbert said, and you said it's what I like what I think absolutely right.

2964
04:37:54,300 --> 04:38:02,240
If we want to have more people interested in running, and I think we need to make sure that they're compensated appropriately.

2965
04:38:03,280 --> 04:38:08,360
However, when we decided to run this port decided to run, we knew what the compensation package was.

2966
04:38:08,360 --> 04:38:15,180
So I think I have no problem for it going to the voters, however, it should be something

2967
04:38:15,180 --> 04:38:16,320
should not be self-serving.

2968
04:38:17,420 --> 04:38:20,820
And for me, when would this go into effect?

2969
04:38:22,460 --> 04:38:27,420
This one is drafted would go into effect immediately upon being adopted.

2970
04:38:28,020 --> 04:38:32,140
All right, so the only way that I would be able to support something like this is if it does

2971
04:38:32,140 --> 04:38:38,200
not go into effect until after the current board is no longer here, because I just find it

2972
04:38:38,200 --> 04:38:44,340
that will self-serving for us to vote for something, and I said, it goes to the voters.

2973
04:38:44,840 --> 04:38:45,420
I get it.

2974
04:38:45,420 --> 04:38:49,880
I understand Commissioner Ramirez and I understand everyone's debate, but it needs to

2975
04:38:49,880 --> 04:38:55,240
be something that should not affect me or anyone on this board because we, when we ran

2976
04:38:55,240 --> 04:38:59,340
for office, we ran with the understanding of what we were building compensated for.

2977
04:39:00,020 --> 04:39:05,820
So that's the, that's the only objection to the item, and I hate to vote against an item

2978
04:39:05,820 --> 04:39:09,660
because it does go to the border, I think we should never take the borders right away,

2979
04:39:10,140 --> 04:39:13,700
but I also don't think it should be anything that should be self-serving. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2980
04:39:14,340 --> 04:39:21,740
All right. Commissioner, were the vice chair? No? No. Commissioner, thank you.

2981
04:39:21,860 --> 04:39:32,160
Thank you. I have a question, Dennis. You know, you had the two issues and the reason that you all suggested that the term limits

2982
04:39:32,160 --> 04:39:36,700
should go later is so that it wouldn't apply to us, right?

2983
04:39:36,700 --> 04:39:41,280
So I'm glad that that was one of the conversations was the applicability.

2984
04:39:43,460 --> 04:39:51,400
I maintain that we should consider putting term limits and then having it apply to the next round of humans.

2985
04:39:52,180 --> 04:39:54,400
I think we could still do that.

2986
04:39:55,120 --> 04:39:58,800
And I agree with Senator Garcia,

2987
04:39:58,800 --> 04:39:59,980
that the

2988
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:29,920
It's interesting that the logic that was used on the term limits was the Board of County Commissioners should not put something on the ballot that would extend their time on the Board of County Commissioners, but yet when it came to the salary, because you created another entity that would in theory make the decision, then it was perfectly fine for us to put something on the ballot that would adhere to our benefit. I don't think either of them should adhere to our benefit. I think that that really does change the very nature.

2989
04:40:30,000 --> 04:40:34,540
of charter reform, I think that anything that we change

2990
04:40:34,540 --> 04:40:38,760
should be moving forward and to the senator's point,

2991
04:40:39,080 --> 04:40:41,100
we all ran with a clear understanding

2992
04:40:41,100 --> 04:40:44,420
of what the benefits and the timing was.

2993
04:40:45,560 --> 04:40:47,960
So in terms of the term limits,

2994
04:40:48,260 --> 04:40:50,220
why did you all make the recommendation

2995
04:40:50,220 --> 04:40:52,080
to have that during the presidential?

2996
04:40:52,380 --> 04:40:53,980
Because the other thing here is,

2997
04:40:54,240 --> 04:40:56,080
what questions are going to go in a gubernatorial,

2998
04:40:56,420 --> 04:40:58,020
and what questions are going to go in a presidential?

2999
04:40:59,080 --> 04:41:04,740
So, we weren't thinking of it, at least from the discussion on our day, it's about

3000
04:41:04,740 --> 04:41:05,820
gubernatorial or presidential.

3001
04:41:06,100 --> 04:41:10,340
It was more, which one did we think should go first and which one should we think should

3002
04:41:10,340 --> 04:41:10,880
go second?

3003
04:41:11,180 --> 04:41:14,040
We were just certain that they shouldn't both be on the same ballot.

3004
04:41:15,300 --> 04:41:24,060
And if I could just add a little context on the difference of why one wouldn't apply right

3005
04:41:24,060 --> 04:41:25,460
away and this one would.

3006
04:41:25,460 --> 04:41:29,640
When we first started this discussion before we co-heared around the salary commission,

3007
04:41:30,360 --> 04:41:35,120
the conversation had been, it shouldn't apply to anyone who's currently sitting.

3008
04:41:35,820 --> 04:41:43,700
We had some discussions, but then when it became a process with independent board members or

3009
04:41:43,700 --> 04:41:48,220
commissioners who could also take into account what your current packages are in deciding

3010
04:41:48,220 --> 04:41:53,720
what the salary should be, we didn't think it was as significant.

3011
04:41:54,880 --> 04:41:58,900
knowing that it would ultimately be up to this board about whether you thought it was significant to say,

3012
04:41:59,280 --> 04:42:06,020
it will apply to immediately or should be deferred to a later effective date.

3013
04:42:06,580 --> 04:42:08,040
But that was part of the discussion.

3014
04:42:08,640 --> 04:42:09,360
Thank you.

3015
04:42:09,660 --> 04:42:14,360
So I want to call a vote.

3016
04:42:16,160 --> 04:42:21,040
But here's the problem to Commissioner Bermuda's point

3017
04:42:23,060 --> 04:42:24,760
about sound bites.

3018
04:42:26,080 --> 04:42:32,040
Unfortunately, those that report the sound bites often don't do due diligence.

3019
04:42:32,640 --> 04:42:36,880
They don't put in the work for lack of better terms, they're often lazy.

3020
04:42:39,550 --> 04:42:43,590
You know, it's easy, yeah, I'm talking about, he's one of the ones I'm talking about.

3021
04:42:43,910 --> 04:42:44,730
Here's the thing.

3022
04:42:44,890 --> 04:42:49,330
It's easy to say that, that they shouldn't apply to me.

3023
04:42:49,950 --> 04:42:55,290
I would support it, but the reality is that before my time on the board, I don't know, four

3024
04:42:55,290 --> 04:43:03,750
years ago or so, it was a night among this board that passed, to increase benefits, to

3025
04:43:04,350 --> 04:43:09,070
commissioners, and some that are still sitting on this board, voted no on it, but took

3026
04:43:09,070 --> 04:43:17,450
the benefits. You could opt out of them. So the same thing applies to this very charter.

3027
04:43:17,950 --> 04:43:23,570
If you don't want it to apply to yourself, opt out. But don't just give a sound by it,

3028
04:43:23,570 --> 04:43:28,930
because that's what's going to be tweeted about or written about or you can go and say,

3029
04:43:29,350 --> 04:43:33,890
I didn't support it. No, you did support it because you took the money.

3030
04:43:35,430 --> 04:43:40,250
You know, some of us may actually not take the money because we have other businesses. We don't

3031
04:43:40,250 --> 04:43:44,450
need it. But if you took it and there's no difference.

3032
04:43:46,750 --> 04:43:48,730
So I understand the sound bites from some

3033
04:43:48,730 --> 04:43:53,770
colleagues, but some of them were on this board at that time four or five years ago,

3034
04:43:54,690 --> 04:43:58,590
four and a half years ago. It was right before I got on the board and

3035
04:43:58,590 --> 04:44:04,650
voted no and then still took it. So I appreciate it, but I'm with Bermuda's on this

3036
04:44:05,350 --> 04:44:09,610
is let the voters decide and with the task force and what Gilbert and what the lot of them

3037
04:44:09,610 --> 04:44:16,190
let the voters decide what they want to do with our compensation and then it doesn't even

3038
04:44:16,190 --> 04:44:25,230
And there, then it goes to another task force or another committee that has not interested

3039
04:44:25,230 --> 04:44:31,870
parties to decide what is the most fair compensation package for the elected officials

3040
04:44:31,870 --> 04:44:38,230
that represent over 2.8 million residents, the largest county in the state of Florida with

3041
04:44:38,230 --> 04:44:39,230
the lowest salary.

3042
04:44:41,210 --> 04:44:44,730
That does a lot of things that we're not talking about on this day is.

3043
04:44:44,730 --> 04:44:53,430
It incentivizes elected officials to have sidegigs, it incentivizes elected officials to be consultants,

3044
04:44:54,670 --> 04:44:59,970
and it incentivizes a lot of other things that shall they have.

3045
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:26,640
We have a reasonable appropriate salary. They may just stick to what they're doing. And focus on that. So I feel passionate about this, because I'm with Gilbert. I think we need to open up the pool of candidates to be able to qualify and be able to take on a role this magnitude to the very same workers and caliber of folks that he just brought up.

3046
04:45:26,640 --> 04:45:28,560
The blue collar, the teachers,

3047
04:45:31,620 --> 04:45:33,760
a lot of very well-educated folks

3048
04:45:33,760 --> 04:45:41,380
That otherwise could not afford to sit on this day is not all own businesses like myself

3049
04:45:41,380 --> 04:45:46,980
Not all have other jobs like others here, and they cannot afford it if it's not for that

3050
04:45:46,980 --> 04:45:54,300
So I understand this is not on one particular person or the other, but the reality is is if you don't agree with it

3051
04:45:54,300 --> 04:45:59,160
If you don't agree with the voters, I mean, it's almost hypocritical, let the voters decide.

3052
04:46:00,380 --> 04:46:03,780
And you're right, Commissioner Vermut is, it may not pass.

3053
04:46:04,880 --> 04:46:11,340
It just may not pass, because the rhetoric is going to be, here the commissioners trying to give themselves a raise.

3054
04:46:12,120 --> 04:46:19,160
But if someone took the time or the effort or the investment to do the campaign that Commissioner Gilbert did in Miami Gardens

3055
04:46:19,160 --> 04:46:22,820
and folks realized that we don't get paid a thousand dollars a month,

3056
04:46:23,140 --> 04:46:29,120
that we get paid five hundred dollars a month managing the largest local budget in the entire

3057
04:46:29,120 --> 04:46:34,160
state of Florida and larger than what 22 to 24 different states, something like that.

3058
04:46:35,300 --> 04:46:40,800
So we're larger, we have a larger budget than 20 somewhat different states in the entire country.

3059
04:46:41,800 --> 04:46:47,260
I think they would think differently about that rhetoric of the commissioners and the politicians

3060
04:46:47,260 --> 04:46:49,060
are trying to give themselves a raise.

3061
04:46:51,380 --> 04:46:54,400
I disagree with those folks that spoke against it because

3062
04:46:54,400 --> 04:47:01,720
this is leaving it up to the voters to the side. Commissioner Bastien and then Steinbrie.

3063
04:47:03,200 --> 04:47:09,180
I was listening to you guys and I have news for you. Very few people believe that we only

3064
04:47:09,180 --> 04:47:19,500
six thousand dollars a year. Very few. And I agree with Commissioner Gilbert on this because

3065
04:47:19,500 --> 04:47:26,240
not only that we need to make sure we open the doors for other folks and Commissioner Gilbert

3066
04:47:26,240 --> 04:47:35,120
mentioned teachers, organizers and all, but we forgot the young leaders. Look at this young

3067
04:47:35,120 --> 04:47:43,000
I mean, we would like to create a space where they would decide to become a commissioner.

3068
04:47:43,400 --> 04:47:46,460
We need young voices, we need to open spaces for young voices.

3069
04:47:47,520 --> 04:47:55,820
I'm comfortable with the fact that the voters will decide, but I believe also that there has to be some real education.

3070
04:47:55,920 --> 04:47:57,080
Because I'm telling you, I'm serious.

3071
04:47:57,080 --> 04:48:07,740
When that type of people, oh, Commissioner, you're making all this money, they really believe that we make a lot of money, like $100,000 a year.

3072
04:48:08,100 --> 04:48:16,440
So there has to be some kind of outreach and education, and then to make sure that the voters, when they go to vote, they know what they're voting for.

3073
04:48:16,680 --> 04:48:22,320
Because right now, most of the people that they all, but what I make, they don't believe me.

3074
04:48:22,620 --> 04:48:25,960
They don't believe me. 6000 dollars a year, that's true. They don't believe it.

3075
04:48:25,960 --> 04:48:32,400
So I'm comfortable with the fact that the voters will decide that we they have to be educated they have to be informed so out

3076
04:48:32,400 --> 04:48:35,100
Which will be play an important role. Thank you so much

3077
04:48:35,920 --> 04:48:41,820
Thank you commissioner commissioner Steinberg. Yeah, I just want to clarity just so for to put it into posture

3078
04:48:41,820 --> 04:48:51,500
This is not about any sort of salary. This is just about taking the ability in the charter today for the people to vote on

3079
04:48:51,500 --> 04:48:56,480
whatever salary would be and putting it in an independent separate commission, right?

3080
04:48:56,620 --> 04:48:59,820
None of this other stuff I just want to make clear. Is that correct?

3081
04:49:02,230 --> 04:49:02,670
Correct.

3082
04:49:03,790 --> 04:49:05,690
Okay, I will remain a note. Thank you.

3083
04:49:05,810 --> 04:49:07,370
All right. Anyone else?

3084
04:49:07,770 --> 04:49:11,030
Seeing none, actually all in favour, signify by say aye.

3085
04:49:11,770 --> 04:49:12,610
All opposed nay?

3086
04:49:13,030 --> 04:49:17,550
Show the item pass with a couple nays, but show the item pass.

3087
04:49:18,150 --> 04:49:19,730
All right, you got them? All right.

3088
04:49:19,950 --> 04:49:21,770
11, 8, 16.

3089
04:49:22,350 --> 04:49:26,370
I got Commissioner from District 4 and Commissioner from District 8.

3090
04:49:26,590 --> 04:49:27,750
Commissioner from District 4, you recognize?

3091
04:49:28,610 --> 04:49:29,230
Still no vote.

3092
04:49:29,850 --> 04:49:33,450
I mean, I know you're I'd like to defer first to the Commissioner who's sponsored the

3093
04:49:33,450 --> 04:49:33,970
I know.

3094
04:49:34,290 --> 04:49:35,290
Commissioner from District 4, you recognize?

3095
04:49:35,550 --> 04:49:37,550
Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you Commissioner Steinberg.

3096
04:49:37,790 --> 04:49:42,950
I do have a brief amendment to the item that hopefully will address potentially Commissioner

3097
04:49:42,950 --> 04:49:46,970
Steinberg's concerns or any others if the attorney complies with the amendment.

3098
04:49:47,990 --> 04:49:48,670
You can read the amendment.

3099
04:49:48,890 --> 04:49:51,670
Mr. Chair, Commissioner Cohen Higgins moves to amend item.

3100
04:49:51,670 --> 04:49:57,710
11A-16 so that if approved by a majority of voters the proposed changes the section 6.08 of the

3101
04:49:57,710 --> 04:49:59,970
home rule charter shown an attachment A would take-

3102
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:06,700
Take effect on June 1st, 2027, rather than immediately following the 2026 general election. The county attorney is here

3103
04:50:06,700 --> 04:50:11,400
by directed to make any conforming changes to the resolution, ballot language, and amendment aid necessary

3104
04:50:11,400 --> 04:50:14,280
to legally effectuate this delayed effective date.

3105
04:50:15,380 --> 04:50:20,020
Thank you. And that amendment came at the request of the League of Cities indicating that

3106
04:50:20,020 --> 04:50:25,420
apparently certain dates had already been published for their upcoming municipal elections. And so

3107
04:50:25,420 --> 04:50:29,560
we wanted to amend it to allow it to have a later start date so they wouldn't have to republish

3108
04:50:29,560 --> 04:50:34,680
those election date. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I move 11, A, 16.

3109
04:50:36,340 --> 04:50:39,020
Okay, it's been moved. It's been seconded as amended.

3110
04:50:39,120 --> 04:50:41,020
Okay, I'd like to.

3111
04:50:41,020 --> 04:50:42,760
Oh, and then, Stimer, you're recognized.

3112
04:50:42,940 --> 04:50:43,620
Thank you.

3113
04:50:44,220 --> 04:50:48,940
So, we're dealing with, I think, one of the most important questions,

3114
04:50:50,900 --> 04:50:53,820
because this is going to come up more often as we have term limits,

3115
04:50:53,840 --> 04:50:56,640
and I think this actually is a great item.

3116
04:50:56,640 --> 04:51:03,340
So I want to commend Dennis and everybody who worked on the board, on the task force for the

3117
04:51:03,340 --> 04:51:07,880
charter review committee, our charter is the most important thing that we, and you'll see

3118
04:51:07,880 --> 04:51:12,180
this is that I pulled a lot of these items because I feel like it does require the time,

3119
04:51:12,440 --> 04:51:16,300
only because this is the most important document that we have, the charter is very important,

3120
04:51:16,420 --> 04:51:19,880
the only way to change a charter is by a vote of the people.

3121
04:51:20,060 --> 04:51:23,580
So we need to make sure that we're really being thought full and what we put forward.

3122
04:51:23,580 --> 04:51:33,560
And in this case, I think this is a really great example of giving the commission flexibility to actually allow for a filling of a vacancy with an election, right?

3123
04:51:33,600 --> 04:51:38,720
This is a wonderful piece of of item to put forward.

3124
04:51:39,560 --> 04:51:46,760
Having said that, I wanted to get a little clarity because I love the amendment that you make commissioner Cohen Higgins.

3125
04:51:46,760 --> 04:51:51,820
But there are some other cities that get caught in this, and look, the truth is this is really

3126
04:51:51,820 --> 04:51:55,140
The spirit of the resigned to run law from the state, right?

3127
04:51:55,260 --> 04:51:58,080
It gives us the ability to actually make this determination

3128
04:51:59,040 --> 04:52:05,960
Prior at the right time so that we can piggyback and existing election as opposed to having it come up at some other time

3129
04:52:05,960 --> 04:52:13,760
And then we're left with, you know, less options right this gives us flexibility. We can still appoint if we want to but it does give us the ability to have an election

3130
04:52:13,760 --> 04:52:37,660
But because you have municipalities that also have elections in odd years, which really I think this would cover, I was wondering if you all would be amenable to just striking the language of the qualifying period date, so that it truly aligns, so that we're not tied into changing 30 other municipal charters who may have their qualifying date changed.

3131
04:52:37,660 --> 04:52:44,500
So that it still stays with the spirit of the item, but without having any sort of unintended

3132
04:52:44,500 --> 04:52:49,060
consequence of all the other charters of the municipalities that may not have been thought of.

3133
04:52:50,040 --> 04:52:53,200
So would you Commissioner Cohen Higgins be amenable?

3134
04:52:53,600 --> 04:52:59,240
It doesn't change any of the item except it strikes out the conforming of the 70 to 84.

3135
04:52:59,460 --> 04:53:03,540
What is the language again if you could please?

3136
04:53:03,540 --> 04:53:15,920
Sure, Commissioner Steinberg, your proposed amendment would be to amend item 11-16 to eliminate the minimum municipal qualifying standards and remove the corresponding changes to Section 6.08 of the Home Road Charter shown in Attachment A.

3137
04:53:16,940 --> 04:53:23,720
And the reason I say this, right? And the reason I say this is because my only concern is that we're still going to have a situation.

3138
04:53:23,900 --> 04:53:30,960
I'll use one of the cities I represent. They have their elections in November of 2027. They're qualifying is in September.

3139
04:53:30,960 --> 04:53:34,960
This would move them to an august qualifying, okay?

3140
04:53:35,460 --> 04:53:37,840
So what happens if a commissioner wants to,

3141
04:53:38,120 --> 04:53:40,040
or anybody wants to run maybe Miami?

3142
04:53:40,160 --> 04:53:41,920
We had a situation with Miami recently.

3143
04:53:42,500 --> 04:53:48,180
There's wasn't aligned with our qualifying from when they submit the note.

3144
04:53:48,720 --> 04:53:51,940
That would make it so that now their qualifying is going to be an august,

3145
04:53:52,020 --> 04:53:56,420
because if you have an November election based on our guidelines,

3146
04:53:56,820 --> 04:53:59,900
we would have to force them to have their qualifying in august,

3147
04:53:59,900 --> 04:54:01,320
which might work for some.

3148
04:54:01,700 --> 04:54:03,940
But then we're going to have to have a special meeting in August,

3149
04:54:04,020 --> 04:54:05,380
which I'm happy to do.

3150
04:54:05,660 --> 04:54:09,460
I just want everybody to know what the domino effect of that could be.

3151
04:54:09,620 --> 04:54:12,560
I want to make it easier for us to be able to fill within the election,

3152
04:54:13,080 --> 04:54:17,740
but I want to make sure that we do it with that in our four front.

3153
04:54:19,480 --> 04:54:22,320
All right, so I'm totally confused.

3154
04:54:23,300 --> 04:54:25,340
I mean, truthfully, that's the question.

3155
04:54:25,820 --> 04:54:26,040
All right, all right.

3156
04:54:26,080 --> 04:54:27,000
This is totally cool.

3157
04:54:27,920 --> 04:54:34,600
Listen, if I may miss your chair, my question is, because now I'm very confused, is it

3158
04:54:34,600 --> 04:54:38,540
our job to make sure that somebody in a municipality wants to run for one of these positions

3159
04:54:39,140 --> 04:54:39,940
is protected?

3160
04:54:40,360 --> 04:54:43,780
I don't think so with all due respect to the League of Cities, Commissioner Gilbert and

3161
04:54:43,780 --> 04:54:47,320
I have been president of the League of Cities, I don't think it's our job, personally.

3162
04:54:48,120 --> 04:54:52,720
Number two, I'm going to support the amendment because there seems to be a reason to

3163
04:54:52,720 --> 04:54:59,960
He can spoken to Commissioner Cohen Higgins, but, I mean, this is basically saying if...

3164
04:55:01,690 --> 04:55:30,030
And unfortunately, or fortunately, some of you have been here that have been appointed. Some of you have not. Some of us have not. That's the way it goes. But in the long run, this will lead to this body, saying, okay, there's going to be an election within a certain time period as I understand it. How does this bringing to, is there somebody wanting cities that I don't know that wants to run? Are any of you leaving? Can you please let me know before you do this, so I can leave with you? I mean, really, truthfully, because it's a real thing.

3165
04:55:30,050 --> 04:55:38,430
It's really confusing to me, I don't understand how we got into this municipal aspect of it.

3166
04:55:38,790 --> 04:55:46,330
No, I think the impetus is that there were many different items that they found over the years that they've been able to fix

3167
04:55:46,330 --> 04:55:50,710
in terms of filling a vacancy. One thing that was overlooked was filling a vacancy.

3168
04:55:50,830 --> 04:55:55,950
And I want to speak for the sponsor for the board and maybe Dennis you want to kind of give us some of the background.

3169
04:55:55,950 --> 04:56:07,550
But, but it's to give us before when you submitted your irrevocable letter of resignation and if you were running for an election that didn't line up with our even your elections,

3170
04:56:08,650 --> 04:56:13,050
we weren't able to call a timely election to piggyback on what was happening.

3171
04:56:13,970 --> 04:56:21,850
Okay? This gives us the flexibility to be able to do that. So this is a good piece of blood of an amendment. This is a good amendment.

3172
04:56:21,850 --> 04:56:27,050
Having said that, taking a closer look, I thought, well, maybe perhaps we want to take

3173
04:56:27,050 --> 04:56:31,150
away another impediment of when those qualifying dates for others would be, it's just

3174
04:56:31,150 --> 04:56:33,530
if we fill a vacancy here, right?

3175
04:56:33,530 --> 04:56:34,930
It's just to fill the vacancy here.

3176
04:56:35,490 --> 04:56:38,490
But you know, it's fine if you want to keep it with the effective date, but maybe Dennis

3177
04:56:38,490 --> 04:56:39,970
you can give us some clarity.

3178
04:56:41,690 --> 04:56:41,970
Yes, Commissioner.

3179
04:56:43,830 --> 04:56:51,470
So this slight of amendments was actually occasioned by an occurrence during our deliberations,

3180
04:56:51,470 --> 04:56:57,570
which was the city of Miami elections and then the appointment on this side and there were discussions

3181
04:56:57,570 --> 04:57:02,910
about how to handle that for the future to make sure that there was time for the county

3182
04:57:02,910 --> 04:57:06,830
commission should it want to call an election rather than an appointment that it would have

3183
04:57:06,830 --> 04:57:11,610
time to line it up with the election that was already going rather than have to do it at a special

3184
04:57:11,610 --> 04:57:21,190
date. So this was a reaction to to an occurrence and by the way do credit to Irish

3185
04:57:21,190 --> 04:57:25,530
of Skara, who was the one who led these amendments.

3186
04:57:26,370 --> 04:57:29,130
Since I've been giving credit to other task force members.

3187
04:57:30,670 --> 04:57:31,830
And this was a package.

3188
04:57:32,850 --> 04:57:39,070
These two work together to make sure that this board has the ability

3189
04:57:39,070 --> 04:57:44,510
to call an election that is aligned with the already scheduled general

3190
04:57:44,510 --> 04:57:49,370
election, which was unable to be done with the city of Miami as

3191
04:57:49,370 --> 04:57:55,190
And I don't know, I know the supervisor's counsel is here if you have questions that you want to direct to them.

3192
04:57:55,270 --> 04:57:59,390
They had some more technical input on it, but that was the genesis of it.

3193
04:57:59,510 --> 04:58:01,030
So it was very much a package deal.

3194
04:58:01,130 --> 04:58:01,550
Oh, question?

3195
04:58:02,690 --> 04:58:02,950
All right.

3196
04:58:03,150 --> 04:58:03,890
So we got that.

3197
04:58:03,890 --> 04:58:06,510
All right, commissioner, vermutes.

3198
04:58:06,810 --> 04:58:07,110
Yeah, okay.

3199
04:58:07,310 --> 04:58:08,130
Now I understand.

3200
04:58:08,910 --> 04:58:11,750
But, you know, again, cities have their own charters.

3201
04:58:11,750 --> 04:58:12,550
I just want to be clear.

3202
04:58:13,470 --> 04:58:19,110
And if anybody in immunisapality, it is not our responsibility to change their charter.

3203
04:58:19,110 --> 04:58:23,850
is the citizens of those cities, as they did in Miami Gardens, as they did in throughout the

3204
04:58:23,850 --> 04:58:30,070
chains or charter, after the fact, if they so choose through the voters and just one last thing.

3205
04:58:32,570 --> 04:58:37,430
Mr. Steinberg, the most important part of our charter, I believe the citizens' bill of rights

3206
04:58:38,470 --> 04:58:42,610
being one of the few lawyers that successfully sued the county over the citizens' bill of rights.

3207
04:58:42,610 --> 04:58:56,210
I think that's the most important part of this charter, and it gives citizens 10, 10 points that are very clear in that they can use the charter when they have a question about the way this body or the mayor operates.

3208
04:58:56,810 --> 04:58:58,770
To me, that's the most important part of the charter.

3209
04:59:00,390 --> 04:59:04,310
All right, so we have it moved by Commissioner Koenigens as amended.

3210
04:59:05,090 --> 04:59:08,030
We have a second by Commissioner, it was amended.

3211
04:59:08,030 --> 04:59:09,290
amended it.

3212
04:59:11,480 --> 04:59:14,380
She amended it to change the effective date.

3213
04:59:14,680 --> 04:59:18,260
Correct. So it was moved by you but as amended seconded by Commissioner

3214
04:59:19,160 --> 04:59:22,960
Bermuda's. All in we good. All in favor signified by say and I.

3215
04:59:23,680 --> 04:59:26,380
Aye. All opposed nay. Show that item passed.

3216
04:59:27,520 --> 04:59:31,460
All right. 11. A 17. I have Steinberg.

3217
04:59:31,480 --> 04:59:34,940
Rigolato and Garcia. Let's start with Steinberg.

3218
04:59:38,040 --> 04:59:41,880
And by the way, I will say they're both important documents.

3219
04:59:42,400 --> 04:59:42,580
I agree.

3220
04:59:42,700 --> 04:59:45,780
I said one of not the, all right.

3221
04:59:46,120 --> 04:59:47,500
Which one is this one?

3222
04:59:47,780 --> 04:59:48,340
An excatience.

3223
04:59:48,420 --> 04:59:49,440
Ah, yes.

3224
04:59:49,720 --> 04:59:49,960
Okay.

3225
04:59:50,860 --> 04:59:53,880
So, this one I thought was very interesting.

3226
04:59:54,780 --> 04:59:58,380
I can't support it in its form to be placed on the charter for a few reasons.

3227
04:59:58,660 --> 04:59:59,960
One is...

3228
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:13,280
That we have currently a planning zone, that deals with these issues already. So now we're going to create another board to deal with this. And then it's going to happen every three years.

3229
05:00:16,160 --> 05:00:21,620
And sometimes I feel like some of these things come up before three years cycles and that we want to have these discussions.

3230
05:00:22,200 --> 05:00:37,840
And then there's another issue that I feel that now we're also giving weight to maybe some property owners that, by the way, should have a stake in this, but we're taking away more of the resident voice by putting it in this manner.

3231
05:00:38,180 --> 05:00:49,780
And so I don't know that I can support something that's going to, in my mind, weaken some of the residential voices on whether or not they want annexations or, you know,

3232
05:00:49,780 --> 05:00:51,920
And by the way, today we do it by ordinance.

3233
05:00:52,380 --> 05:00:53,400
This goes into the charter.

3234
05:00:53,600 --> 05:00:56,140
If we ever want to change this, again,

3235
05:00:56,260 --> 05:00:58,820
it has to go back out to the people to change it.

3236
05:00:58,860 --> 05:01:03,240
We don't have that flexibility to see where we want to go

3237
05:01:03,240 --> 05:01:04,460
in terms of these issues.

3238
05:01:05,220 --> 05:01:08,400
So for those reasons, I can't support it in this form.

3239
05:01:08,560 --> 05:01:09,000
Thank you.

3240
05:01:09,340 --> 05:01:12,580
Commissioner from District 7, you recognize?

3241
05:01:14,220 --> 05:01:19,400
I think that to Mickey's point, the situation with the annexation

3242
05:01:19,400 --> 05:01:20,820
and it's already complicated enough,

3243
05:01:20,840 --> 05:01:23,000
feel like we're doing like another thing.

3244
05:01:23,160 --> 05:01:24,200
And I've said this before.

3245
05:01:25,000 --> 05:01:27,540
If we want to do a moratorium, the two of moratorium,

3246
05:01:27,680 --> 05:01:29,200
if you want to change rules, change rules,

3247
05:01:29,700 --> 05:01:31,340
but creating yet another thing

3248
05:01:31,340 --> 05:01:33,860
that's going to further complicate this situation.

3249
05:01:35,500 --> 05:01:38,760
Again, we had this issue before term limits

3250
05:01:38,760 --> 05:01:41,220
where these things lingered for like years and years.

3251
05:01:41,940 --> 05:01:44,320
This just seems to me to be another way

3252
05:01:44,320 --> 05:01:46,420
to further complicate this situation.

3253
05:01:46,880 --> 05:01:48,400
So I'm gonna know on this one.

3254
05:01:48,400 --> 05:01:53,800
Thank you for that commissioner from Senator.

3255
05:01:54,800 --> 05:01:57,100
Thank you, Mr. Commissioner for the same reasons.

3256
05:01:57,860 --> 05:02:01,480
I think that when we look at annexation,

3257
05:02:02,080 --> 05:02:05,420
I think the process is complicated enough.

3258
05:02:06,240 --> 05:02:08,980
We have safeguards and hurdles in place.

3259
05:02:09,020 --> 05:02:11,240
This is just adding even more hurdles,

3260
05:02:11,340 --> 05:02:14,860
making it more difficult for municipalities to try to annex.

3261
05:02:15,540 --> 05:02:20,700
So, I, too, think that this is an overreach and putting this into the charter will make

3262
05:02:20,700 --> 05:02:25,660
it even that much more difficult for municipalities to try to create annexation.

3263
05:02:26,120 --> 05:02:28,640
So, I, A, too, will be a no on this one.

3264
05:02:28,820 --> 05:02:29,300
Thank you, Senator.

3265
05:02:29,900 --> 05:02:32,660
I have a commissioner from District 6.

3266
05:02:33,380 --> 05:02:34,140
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3267
05:02:34,140 --> 05:02:35,300
I have a question for Dennis.

3268
05:02:35,780 --> 05:02:36,100
How are you?

3269
05:02:36,600 --> 05:02:40,840
What was the rationale from the task force for removing it from the planning advice report

3270
05:02:40,840 --> 05:02:43,280
and creating the separate boundary commission?

3271
05:02:43,280 --> 05:02:53,460
The Planning Advisory Board already has a lot of responsibilities and so the idea was have one body that is charged with giving a comprehensive review of whatever's pending.

3272
05:02:53,980 --> 05:03:08,040
And we went through different iterations of how long the cycle should be, but the idea was to have one body that's experienced with the boundary change procedures and the incorporation procedures and issues.

3273
05:03:08,040 --> 05:03:15,000
to look at it county-wide to be able to say, okay, maybe it makes sense to move here, maybe not here, once you balance it out.

3274
05:03:16,960 --> 05:03:24,360
And that should be done on a three-year cycle, so that this board can get a comprehensive report of everything that's pending.

3275
05:03:25,160 --> 05:03:26,400
Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

3276
05:03:26,440 --> 05:03:31,340
I have Commissioner. I'm district 12.

3277
05:03:33,500 --> 05:03:36,440
Then I'm going to one and then the vice chair.

3278
05:03:36,980 --> 05:03:44,600
Mr. Chair, thank you, I was going into this, but Commissioner Steinberg has convinced me to

3279
05:03:44,600 --> 05:03:49,200
go on the other direction with her, with her points.

3280
05:03:49,740 --> 05:03:55,080
Let me tell you, and Commissioner Orbis, correct with pointed out, you know, why replacing

3281
05:03:55,080 --> 05:03:56,220
the plane advisory board.

3282
05:03:56,880 --> 05:04:02,740
When I was mayor to rather plane advisory board, voted six to one to either not incorporate

3283
05:04:02,740 --> 05:04:10,080
or to move forward and let the two cities do get out in the county then give the owners

3284
05:04:10,700 --> 05:04:14,600
an opportunity to at least weigh in and I appreciate Commissioner Regalada who came

3285
05:04:14,600 --> 05:04:20,460
actually came up with an ordinance subsequent to that that at least took a non-binding poll

3286
05:04:20,460 --> 05:04:25,890
of a the business owners because at that point the city of Sweetwater which was growing by

3287
05:04:26,510 --> 05:04:33,830
like more than double its size, took over the largest commercial area that the money

3288
05:04:33,830 --> 05:04:41,290
went directly to this county, it includes the limoombo. So, I don't know, in

3289
05:04:41,290 --> 05:04:46,490
dentists, you have a great committee, I agree with probably everything else, but

3290
05:04:46,490 --> 05:04:50,330
this one the more I think about it and the more I hear my colleagues, I got to be

3291
05:04:50,330 --> 05:04:55,330
honest with you, I think that this body, when you were here as an attorney,

3292
05:04:55,330 --> 05:04:59,990
on many occasions going back as far as 2002 had looked.

3293
05:05:00,000 --> 05:05:29,180
That full incorporation of the county. But to have municipalities cherry pick the remainder of the parts of the county, that provide sources, let's say blue lagoon, for example, it's not in my district, but the Commissioner Orbison District. Largest corporate park, that we have. And then what if the city of Miami, which did try at one point to make it part of the city of Miami, I think the PAV can handle it.

3294
05:05:29,180 --> 05:05:31,700
They're not that busy, they didn't appear to be that busy.

3295
05:05:32,360 --> 05:05:38,940
Abby remembers, she's back there somewhere, that they weren't that busy to, you know,

3296
05:05:39,260 --> 05:05:40,580
to make decisions on other things.

3297
05:05:41,160 --> 05:05:45,520
So I think that, you know, the real frank discussion we should have at some point is what

3298
05:05:45,520 --> 05:05:47,040
type of county do you want to be?

3299
05:05:47,400 --> 05:05:51,160
Is it half unincorporated and half incorporated?

3300
05:05:52,220 --> 05:05:57,120
Or, and by the way, this whole boat in November may eliminate cities.

3301
05:05:57,760 --> 05:05:59,760
We may have to take them over.

3302
05:06:00,620 --> 05:06:01,680
The reverse may happen.

3303
05:06:02,960 --> 05:06:08,040
They may actually cease to exist because they cannot function and provide for the security

3304
05:06:08,040 --> 05:06:11,900
of the people in that area and you know who's going to be responsible is going to be us.

3305
05:06:13,180 --> 05:06:17,520
So I'm going to agree with my colleagues and I'm going to be on no on this one just because

3306
05:06:17,520 --> 05:06:22,500
I think if we ever talk about annexations and incorporations and all this wonderful thing,

3307
05:06:22,900 --> 05:06:25,840
we need to have a real, frank discussion.

3308
05:06:25,840 --> 05:06:32,800
And I want to say what nobody ever wants to say, the biggest city that's not a city is Kendall.

3309
05:06:33,820 --> 05:06:40,920
And if Kendall ever incorporates, the gig is over, this county's going to have to really deal with just regional-wide issues.

3310
05:06:41,280 --> 05:06:41,960
That's it.

3311
05:06:42,100 --> 05:06:42,920
Not going to happen.

3312
05:06:44,320 --> 05:06:48,060
I've heard that I'm not going to have it, but what I'm trying to say is that that's the reality.

3313
05:06:48,300 --> 05:06:55,260
And sometimes we sit here because, I mean, really, it brings headaches to all of us to a certain extent.

3314
05:06:55,260 --> 05:07:04,520
And I agreed with what Commissioner now Ambassador Cabera proposed because the business owners don't have a say and they own properties.

3315
05:07:06,690 --> 05:07:11,610
The business owners don't have a say and in some cases, by the way, including in Sweetwater, it just want to be clear.

3316
05:07:12,230 --> 05:07:20,150
The millage rate goes up higher than another municipality and I represent Sweetwater, so I'm happy for them, God bless them.

3317
05:07:20,150 --> 05:07:30,130
But, okay, when we make these decisions, it impacts people who own businesses and most that live in this county.

3318
05:07:30,970 --> 05:07:39,450
And just because their business owners, small, intermediate and large, does not make it right to disregard their point of view.

3319
05:07:39,850 --> 05:07:48,690
The last time when the example I gave you happened, it was disregarded to PAB, it was disregarded because the chairman was not one of my mayors.

3320
05:07:49,230 --> 05:07:54,670
want it this and sweet water. That's all that happened. It was nothing else. Sorry, Abby.

3321
05:07:54,950 --> 05:08:00,490
I'd bring back bad memories for you. But the bottom line is let's be frank with the people

3322
05:08:00,490 --> 05:08:04,350
when we talk about these things. I'm going to be a no because I think if we want to talk

3323
05:08:04,350 --> 05:08:09,870
about annexation and corporations, let's sit down and talk about what type of county do we want.

3324
05:08:10,650 --> 05:08:15,270
Are we going to be like other counties like Broward that has full incorporation? Practically,

3325
05:08:15,270 --> 05:08:22,810
99.99% or are we going to be like, we are, which is the exception to the rule, which might

3326
05:08:22,810 --> 05:08:25,290
have been really hip back in the 1960s, but it is now.

3327
05:08:25,750 --> 05:08:31,070
So the bottom line to me is, and by the way, the rest of the state, and you can correct me,

3328
05:08:31,310 --> 05:08:34,490
Commissioner Lopez, since you were there, the rest of the state doesn't go through

3329
05:08:34,490 --> 05:08:37,210
incorporation through its commission.

3330
05:08:38,990 --> 05:08:39,970
That's not the way it works.

3331
05:08:40,770 --> 05:08:42,570
We're the only county that ever created mitigation.

3332
05:08:43,190 --> 05:08:44,150
Yes, I remember.

3333
05:08:44,150 --> 05:08:47,110
I haven't forgotten, Dennis, mitigation, I like you, but I haven't forgotten.

3334
05:08:47,590 --> 05:08:54,170
Mitigation, we created all these other rules, and I think that, you know, I think it's

3335
05:08:54,170 --> 05:08:59,230
important to when we talk about an issue like annexations and incorporation that there's

3336
05:08:59,230 --> 05:09:02,490
not a confusion because I'm going to tell you what the citizens of some of these cities are

3337
05:09:02,490 --> 05:09:03,090
going to say.

3338
05:09:03,350 --> 05:09:05,550
And they're going to use it politically by the way, some of the mayors of these cities.

3339
05:09:06,170 --> 05:09:07,530
They're going to say, oh, we want that part.

3340
05:09:08,430 --> 05:09:18,010
We want, we want, we want that wonderful area that Commissioner Orbus represents, that's the largest corporate park that the county still had remaining with offices.

3341
05:09:18,970 --> 05:09:19,810
And what are you going to say this?

3342
05:09:19,890 --> 05:09:22,410
This is the city of Miami, probably I'm going to say, well, a little coral gables for us.

3343
05:09:22,470 --> 05:09:23,090
You can't do this.

3344
05:09:23,470 --> 05:09:32,030
I know, I know, I know you're going to say no, but I'm just saying that you don't need those headaches because it's an unfair analysis of the issue.

3345
05:09:32,030 --> 05:09:38,670
Because nobody's asking, what about the survival of the county that provides the service to

3346
05:09:39,310 --> 05:09:42,670
All of the residents of Miami-Dade County. So I'm gonna vote no

3347
05:09:43,230 --> 05:09:45,350
Make a you convince me

3348
05:09:45,350 --> 05:09:48,350
But this it is a bill of rights is still more important

3349
05:09:50,430 --> 05:09:58,790
Yes, so all right, I have hold on. I'm gonna add you to the list commissioner, but I've got district one and

3350
05:09:58,790 --> 05:09:59,970
Then I have the vice chair and then

3351
05:10:01,760 --> 05:10:16,140
I'm just doing some rough, first of all, if the people took my left, because stop talking. I see airport people over there. Your airport items are gone. If you all cannot be quiet in the chambers, leave the chambers.

3352
05:10:20,960 --> 05:10:22,100
Can we do that?

3353
05:10:24,470 --> 05:10:34,410
Mr. Chair, the rough count would seem like there are a lot of noes on this item. If we could just collect this dead horse die, I'm going with that.

3354
05:10:35,670 --> 05:10:47,090
Let's share everybody that's pending, all right. So it's been moved by Senator Garcia, seconded by Commissioner Lopez just for a vote purpose all in, are you good with that, byster?

3355
05:10:48,410 --> 05:11:02,050
Like just calling the vote all in favor signify by say and I all I mean, it's not to kill it. It's a vote. You could kill it to pass it right now. It's the pass it. All of if you're in favor of approving the item signify by say and I

3356
05:11:03,570 --> 05:11:11,670
I, I'll oppose nay, the names have it, so this try to review Task Force item does not exist.

3357
05:11:11,670 --> 05:11:13,310
It's not moved forward.

3358
05:11:13,450 --> 05:11:20,750
Just as a as a point of personal privilege on this, I think that we should all consider some of the things that were mentioned here,

3359
05:11:21,070 --> 05:11:26,730
because for example, instead, and we've talked about this before, JC obviously gets very triggered when we talk about this issue,

3360
05:11:26,730 --> 05:11:29,690
but we've talked about how the applications

3361
05:11:29,690 --> 05:11:33,270
should speak to the broader issue and not just the area

3362
05:11:33,270 --> 05:11:34,370
and the fiscal impact.

3363
05:11:34,790 --> 05:11:37,310
And I can tell you, when South Miami came

3364
05:11:37,310 --> 05:11:39,350
with an application that they wanted to take deadline,

3365
05:11:39,370 --> 05:11:40,230
I said no.

3366
05:11:40,930 --> 05:11:43,690
So there's, I think we need to take some of these ideas

3367
05:11:43,690 --> 05:11:46,370
and maybe incorporate them into our process.

3368
05:11:46,530 --> 05:11:47,590
Yeah, I think that's fair.

3369
05:11:48,250 --> 05:11:49,490
All right, thank you, Dennis.

3370
05:11:50,150 --> 05:11:51,870
Thank you, Dennis, for a lot of appreciate it.

3371
05:11:52,370 --> 05:11:54,690
All right, and then 11, 8, 20,

3372
05:11:54,690 --> 05:11:57,750
Um, I want to take on motion on 11.20.

3373
05:11:59,270 --> 05:12:00,530
It's this it chart a review.

3374
05:12:01,050 --> 05:12:05,930
I haven't I have a motion by Commissioner Conegan, seconded by Commissioner Orbus.

3375
05:12:06,710 --> 05:12:09,450
You're recognized, uh, D seven.

3376
05:12:09,510 --> 05:12:10,150
Thank you.

3377
05:12:10,250 --> 05:12:12,770
I have a friendly amendment that I think might help.

3378
05:12:13,250 --> 05:12:18,850
Um, so in my prior life as a school board member, um, I worked on advertising at our schools.

3379
05:12:19,610 --> 05:12:24,190
And one of the biggest complaints that Miami-Dade County Public Schools receives

3380
05:12:24,190 --> 05:12:38,550
And that I still receive as a county commissioner are the horrible banners that the school district puts around the schools. Everybody hates them. I was against them. I tried to limit them while I was there and it is a constant issue.

3381
05:12:39,430 --> 05:12:46,530
I appreciate that we're going to do some advertising in our parks because we want to increase revenue.

3382
05:12:46,530 --> 05:12:54,490
But I do not want to have those banners around the parks that we see at our school district.

3383
05:12:55,510 --> 05:12:58,730
So I don't, it doesn't speak to it. It's very broad.

3384
05:12:59,690 --> 05:13:04,710
So I wonder if there's something that we can amend to ensure that that doesn't happen.

3385
05:13:05,130 --> 05:13:08,790
Yeah, so I agree. I can't stand it. The all offenses in my district.

3386
05:13:08,810 --> 05:13:12,530
I don't know if it's an unincorporated thing or it happens everywhere. It's ridiculous.

3387
05:13:13,610 --> 05:13:25,670
So that was something that actually discussed with the attorneys to add in here, purposely left it out to have it as a matter of policy of this board once that once it gets if it gets approved by the borders.

3388
05:13:26,170 --> 05:13:31,910
So as a matter of policy this board, you know, this is just to open up so that the advertisement could exist.

3389
05:13:32,450 --> 05:13:37,370
Really the intent is digital is not banners. I don't want full of banners. It irks me.

3390
05:13:37,370 --> 05:13:42,630
But I wanted to be a matter of policy of this board of what's allowed, what's not, maybe we could limit sizes

3391
05:13:42,630 --> 05:13:48,270
We don't want to completely say that you can't put a small little banner somewhere, and you know, if it makes sense

3392
05:13:48,270 --> 05:13:56,770
I appreciate that, but I think people will vote against this if that is not clarified because so many people hate the banners around the schools

3393
05:13:56,770 --> 05:14:03,310
That I think when they see parks and advertising that's gonna come up and while I appreciate that we do the policy afterwards

3394
05:14:03,310 --> 05:14:05,910
I think it's gonna hurt its ability to pass

3395
05:14:05,910 --> 05:14:11,850
I mean look, I'm again, I was part of something I discussed with the attorneys and then we opted to take it out

3396
05:14:11,850 --> 05:14:20,090
I'm not entirely opposed to it. I don't want to limit something that I certainly want to limit a thousand banners on offense

3397
05:14:20,090 --> 05:14:24,130
That I do want to limit but I don't want to limit the put the potential of

3398
05:14:24,710 --> 05:14:31,490
One banner or two banners at a baseball field if they're sponsoring a game or something like that for that. So that

3399
05:14:31,490 --> 05:14:35,570
By putting it in the charter, I think it it kind of prohibits us from

3400
05:14:35,910 --> 05:14:44,030
That type of policy. I'm with you on the intent of what you're saying. I just don't know that we want to tie the hands of

3401
05:14:44,590 --> 05:14:54,630
Potential income my friendly amendment would be just to speak to the fencing and maybe a percentage because I wouldn't I would I would here

3402
05:14:54,630 --> 05:14:55,870
Do you have something drafted?

3403
05:14:56,810 --> 05:14:59,970
No, but I mean because if there is fencing, you know what there would be

3404
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:05,240
Like you can't cover more than 25% of the funds. So that way you could put a banner, but you

3405
05:15:05,240 --> 05:15:11,280
don't can't wrap a park. The issue is the wrap a park. I'm I'm I'm fine with that. That'll be your

3406
05:15:11,280 --> 05:15:16,940
friendly amendment. That in the, listen, I don't want banners at all. I mean, I would still like. So I guess

3407
05:15:16,940 --> 05:15:23,320
here's a question. If we do that, can we still as matter of policy of this board come back later

3408
05:15:23,320 --> 05:15:28,400
and say we don't want any banners on fences at all? Can we go stricter than the charter amendment?

3409
05:15:28,400 --> 05:15:35,560
you absolutely can. Okay, perfect. All right. So I'm okay with that language of, you know,

3410
05:15:35,740 --> 05:15:46,280
no, no banner advertisement to exceed 25% of linear footage. It's defense. The issue is

3411
05:15:46,280 --> 05:15:51,060
the fence. So I think you have the specifically speak to the fence because that's what the

3412
05:15:51,060 --> 05:15:53,900
voters are going to think about. They're going to think of the school district and the fence. Let's

3413
05:15:53,900 --> 05:15:55,300
put exterior fence even for that.

3414
05:15:55,300 --> 05:15:56,200
And you're your fence, yes.

3415
05:15:57,440 --> 05:16:07,780
So, no, no advertisement shall be in the form of fence banners encompassing over 25% of exterior

3416
05:16:08,480 --> 05:16:08,920
fencing.

3417
05:16:09,040 --> 05:16:10,240
Some version of that.

3418
05:16:10,360 --> 05:16:11,140
You want to clean that up?

3419
05:16:11,560 --> 05:16:16,460
Mr. Chair, would it be possible since this relates to the ballot question itself and potential

3420
05:16:16,460 --> 05:16:20,280
changes that have to be made to the charter amendment, if we can move on to another item,

3421
05:16:20,940 --> 05:16:23,860
we can work on drafting language presented to you and then we can come back to the

3422
05:16:23,860 --> 05:16:30,280
Absolutely, let me just get input start doing that. Let me get input from the rest of the commissioners in case they want to add stuff to it too

3423
05:16:30,280 --> 05:16:31,320
I'm open to

3424
05:16:32,060 --> 05:16:32,440
Steinberg

3425
05:16:32,440 --> 05:16:34,620
Okay, this is my last

3426
05:16:34,620 --> 05:16:38,500
item. I don't speak it all. Is it all the last one I pull?

3427
05:16:41,100 --> 05:16:46,000
Are we still on that last item though, Mr. Chair? Well, yeah, we're still on the item

3428
05:16:46,000 --> 05:16:49,030
Okay, so when I have a chance I want to add something. Yep, we'll get there

3429
05:16:49,640 --> 05:16:53,780
Okay, so first of all, I want to say that I appreciate the intent

3430
05:16:53,860 --> 05:16:59,960
of creating new funding opportunities for our parks, so thank you Chairman, but I do believe

3431
05:16:59,960 --> 05:17:05,780
we need to proceed with caution and establish clear guardrails before we move forward.

3432
05:17:06,040 --> 05:17:11,260
So in its form today, I will not be supporting this item because I think that we need the

3433
05:17:11,260 --> 05:17:16,640
legal framework first before we put it out to the, well, I know you can do it after.

3434
05:17:17,580 --> 05:17:21,840
I understand that. I think there are too many concerns that I have that maybe others will

3435
05:17:22,680 --> 05:17:30,160
because I think we need to think beyond today's intentions and ask, you know, what does policy look like in five years, 10 years, 15 years.

3436
05:17:31,240 --> 05:17:33,800
I don't want to see any unintended consequences to this.

3437
05:17:34,320 --> 05:17:36,400
So, if advertising is allowed broadly,

3438
05:17:38,220 --> 05:17:42,720
the communities that bear the visual impact, I think should also receive the benefit,

3439
05:17:43,700 --> 05:17:46,700
which I know something that maybe is not in this.

3440
05:17:46,700 --> 05:17:47,040
Um,

3441
05:17:49,300 --> 05:17:53,720
if history is an indication of how the counties negotiated things in the past,

3442
05:17:53,900 --> 05:17:58,260
I don't really have a lot of real sense of what that's going to look like in the future.

3443
05:17:58,780 --> 05:18:02,680
Um, so let me, let me just go through my points really quickly.

3444
05:18:03,800 --> 05:18:07,360
Because the parks who are going to have advertised mineral, so they're going to, they're going to,

3445
05:18:07,360 --> 05:18:08,600
they're going to shoulder that burden.

3446
05:18:09,220 --> 05:18:13,920
But then, I don't know what kind of commercial activity or visual impact it's going to be,

3447
05:18:13,920 --> 05:18:15,420
what does that look like?

3448
05:18:16,300 --> 05:18:18,200
So they should see the direct reinvestment

3449
05:18:18,200 --> 05:18:18,880
into those parks.

3450
05:18:18,880 --> 05:18:20,420
If they're going to have to shoulder that burden.

3451
05:18:22,160 --> 05:18:24,820
I also think that we haven't fully explored.

3452
05:18:25,280 --> 05:18:28,340
All of a sudden I was told by the Parks Department

3453
05:18:28,340 --> 05:18:31,140
and by the County Attorney's Office that sponsorship

3454
05:18:31,140 --> 05:18:33,740
opportunities are now no longer running

3455
05:18:33,740 --> 05:18:36,900
a foul with the charter with Article 7,

3456
05:18:37,280 --> 05:18:39,380
such as Capital Improvement Sponsorships,

3457
05:18:39,780 --> 05:18:42,020
philanthropic donations, and naming opportunities.

3458
05:18:43,020 --> 05:18:49,180
those we have to explore what does that look like so I'm concerned about opening up the

3459
05:18:49,180 --> 05:18:52,760
door because you just talked about banners I hadn't even thought about banners I was

3460
05:18:52,760 --> 05:18:56,680
thinking oh we can allow digital or we can allow billboards in our parts like what does

3461
05:18:56,680 --> 05:19:01,720
this look like I also get concerned are the beaches going to be excluded are parking facilities

3462
05:19:01,720 --> 05:19:07,660
included could this eventually lead to advertising associated with you know other things I have

3463
05:19:07,660 --> 05:19:13,460
So many questions because, you know, hall over as a park, it's also a beach, what does that

3464
05:19:13,460 --> 05:19:13,720
mean?

3465
05:19:13,840 --> 05:19:14,740
Can we exempt?

3466
05:19:15,400 --> 05:19:19,960
Maybe waterfront parks because those have unique issues and, you know, they're going to

3467
05:19:19,960 --> 05:19:22,360
bear a lot of this and what does that look like?

3468
05:19:23,100 --> 05:19:27,140
So I support, by the way, I'm wearing green, I support parks month, everybody, and you can

3469
05:19:27,140 --> 05:19:30,500
adopt two trees on Saturday at various locations throughout the county.

3470
05:19:30,720 --> 05:19:31,380
It's very important.

3471
05:19:31,540 --> 05:19:36,980
We want to support our parks, but as we're pursuing new revenue streams, I don't want

3472
05:19:36,980 --> 05:19:41,620
create unintended consequences that permanently change the character of our parks or allow

3473
05:19:41,620 --> 05:19:46,320
the loudest interest or dictate what belongs in our public spaces in the people's public

3474
05:19:46,320 --> 05:19:52,160
spaces. So what I don't want to see is all over turn into NASCAR venue, right? So, you know,

3475
05:19:52,260 --> 05:19:56,160
by by by the way, I've been consistent on advertisement. Like anybody who knows me, I've always had

3476
05:19:56,160 --> 05:19:59,960
concerns about advertisement. So I just wanted to put that out there. Again, I appreciate-

3477
05:20:00,000 --> 05:20:08,740
This is coming from, but that's why I can't support it. And I don't know if there are any ideas to make it so that we tighten it even further.

3478
05:20:09,660 --> 05:20:12,960
But those are my thoughts at this time. Thank you so much.

3479
05:20:13,360 --> 05:20:14,500
Thank you for the chair.

3480
05:20:15,040 --> 05:20:16,380
I would, I would, I'm going to go, I'm going to get there.

3481
05:20:17,520 --> 05:20:22,040
So, look, I respect that commissioner, Senator. I understand, look, this is very simple for me.

3482
05:20:22,080 --> 05:20:29,040
I'm trying to, I thought of this to come up with revenue sources in a time when obviously property taxes are being reformed.

3483
05:20:29,040 --> 05:20:37,700
And it's a talk of the town, county parks will be probably one of the highest most impacted

3484
05:20:37,700 --> 05:20:40,960
departments in our county and obviously it's so important to our community.

3485
05:20:42,100 --> 05:20:46,820
And it's funny you said that because one of the points you said because I actually the original form

3486
05:20:46,820 --> 05:20:48,680
and I amended it in committee.

3487
05:20:49,320 --> 05:20:56,860
The original form of this item had so that wherever the advertisement took place, the funds did remain in that park.

3488
05:20:57,500 --> 05:21:03,870
working with Parks Department director who is at the well now, we actually amended that out

3489
05:21:04,720 --> 05:21:10,360
so that because there's a lot of community parks that maybe some folks may not want to

3490
05:21:10,360 --> 05:21:15,660
advertise it and we don't want them to be left out. I did however, place a hold to

3491
05:21:15,660 --> 05:21:21,860
show this past to come back to the board and maybe create regions. Not necessarily that the

3492
05:21:21,860 --> 05:21:25,960
money stays in that particular park, but create regions and the regions aren't going to be

3493
05:21:25,960 --> 05:21:30,340
districts, commission districts, it could be the south region, the central and the north region.

3494
05:21:30,820 --> 05:21:36,320
So it still encompasses the, you know, most of it, but and everyone gets their fair share.

3495
05:21:36,800 --> 05:21:41,020
But yes, I agree with your mindset of, it should stay in the park.

3496
05:21:41,360 --> 05:21:45,520
I understand parks concern with it and the administration is concerned with it and it's a real

3497
05:21:45,520 --> 05:21:46,620
one, by the way.

3498
05:21:47,200 --> 05:21:52,640
So that's why I was amenable to amending that out, but do have a hold on policy to implement

3499
05:21:52,640 --> 05:21:56,040
some sort of framework to maintain it.

3500
05:21:56,160 --> 05:22:02,900
I do hope I could earn your support on it because I think it's just one way to generate

3501
05:22:04,580 --> 05:22:08,620
revenue for our parks department and at the time when we need it, but I understand, of course,

3502
05:22:08,700 --> 05:22:11,320
in respect to your position, Commissioner Noble is your recognized.

3503
05:22:11,640 --> 05:22:12,360
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

3504
05:22:12,580 --> 05:22:19,140
So I don't have any county parks in my district, unfortunately, but I want to caution, I have

3505
05:22:19,140 --> 05:22:24,880
had a lot of issues in my district with digital signs and the way the residential communities

3506
05:22:24,880 --> 05:22:25,680
view them.

3507
05:22:26,100 --> 05:22:32,320
So, you may want to consider, you know, after, should this pass during the implementation

3508
05:22:32,320 --> 05:22:39,860
of this, to potentially exclude digital signs, a lot of our county parks are in residential

3509
05:22:39,860 --> 05:22:49,120
areas and, you know, you just have to see what that looks like at night with the, with

3510
05:22:49,120 --> 05:22:57,080
I have the same problem I had in my district with just a little signage in the urban area and how it was impacting my residences.

3511
05:22:57,280 --> 05:23:02,500
So I just put that out there just because I heard Commissioner Steinberg say, you know, look like we'll be digital, et cetera.

3512
05:23:03,060 --> 05:23:08,780
And then I realized, wow, I've been struggling with digital signs in my district and it doesn't impact residential.

3513
05:23:09,300 --> 05:23:18,060
But I am supportive of this item because I do believe we're going to need to have some revenues stream for parks, especially since they're so important to our county.

3514
05:23:18,060 --> 05:23:18,940
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3515
05:23:19,240 --> 05:23:19,560
Thank you, Commissioner.

3516
05:23:19,660 --> 05:23:24,380
And the intent is actually, in fact, to have digital signs is the intent, but it's not

3517
05:23:24,840 --> 05:23:25,980
the issue that you're having.

3518
05:23:26,180 --> 05:23:29,020
It's not the big billboards at all.

3519
05:23:30,340 --> 05:23:34,320
It's more like the chaos that you see in Coral Gables and Brickle, little small chaos throughout

3520
05:23:34,320 --> 05:23:36,660
the park that actually serve multi-purpose.

3521
05:23:36,780 --> 05:23:38,100
It's not just an advertisement mechanism.

3522
05:23:38,420 --> 05:23:42,680
That will be the revenue generator, but it also has access for you to dial 911 or emergency

3523
05:23:42,680 --> 05:23:43,240
service.

3524
05:23:43,400 --> 05:23:44,680
It's all your phone run out of battery.

3525
05:23:44,940 --> 05:23:46,740
You can actually charge your phone in some of them.

3526
05:23:46,740 --> 05:23:50,260
It kind of tells you like you're standing here, and this is what's around the park.

3527
05:23:50,980 --> 05:23:55,740
These are the restaurants nearby, so it's more, it's not billboards, it's more of a kiosk,

3528
05:23:55,940 --> 05:24:00,520
and it could generate revenue. I haven't forgotten you, Madam Mayor. I'm going to in a second.

3529
05:24:02,160 --> 05:24:08,020
But just one second. But yes, the idea is to have digital science and not have the banners

3530
05:24:08,020 --> 05:24:16,720
that do make it at times ugly throughout the park. But I want to say once again, a lot of the

3531
05:24:16,720 --> 05:24:23,700
Are something that will be discussed as matter of policy of this board shall this pass by the voters?

3532
05:24:25,580 --> 05:24:28,920
And so we will be having this discussion at some point shall it pass?

3533
05:24:31,420 --> 05:24:38,040
Good. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and just as up to Commissioner Lopez's point the city of Miami opted out of Lady Bird

3534
05:24:38,040 --> 05:24:42,340
It's a very different situation. We do not have an opt-out of Lady Bird

3535
05:24:42,340 --> 05:24:48,320
So, irrespective of this, we cannot do the things that the city of Miami does.

3536
05:24:49,100 --> 05:24:53,480
When we talk about digital signing, it's a very different conversation to the chair's

3537
05:24:53,480 --> 05:24:53,620
point.

3538
05:24:53,760 --> 05:24:59,080
It's about way of finding similar to what we've approved at the underline that provides

3539
05:24:59,080 --> 05:24:59,980
people with information.

3540
05:25:00,000 --> 05:25:07,080
And then some advertising. Our rules are a lot different from the city of Miami. So when we say digital

3541
05:25:07,080 --> 05:25:12,640
signage, it's very, very different from when the city of Miami says digital signage because they

3542
05:25:12,640 --> 05:25:17,600
they opted out of Lady Bird. And that is a federal issue that has nothing to do with us. We, we cannot

3543
05:25:17,600 --> 05:25:23,240
go as far as they have gone without an opt-out which would be very complex.

3544
05:25:23,740 --> 05:25:29,440
not a mayor let me finish with the board if that's okay or did you want to

3545
05:25:29,440 --> 05:25:32,760
like input on some of the stuff yes of course okay do you want kind of

3546
05:25:32,760 --> 05:25:35,720
finish with the board or do you want to well I do think it's important for you to

3547
05:25:35,720 --> 05:25:39,040
hear from the parks department absolutely no no we're not stopping this conversation

3548
05:25:39,040 --> 05:25:42,300
until we do hear from you all okay let me just finish with the board and then we'll

3549
05:25:42,300 --> 05:25:47,920
go senator Garcia thank you Mr. Chairman and I I do have and I appreciate what you

3550
05:25:47,920 --> 05:25:51,760
trying to do here I I get this we are in a time where having financial

3551
05:25:51,760 --> 05:25:55,860
constraints and it becomes more difficult and we need to try to raise some money and I get that,

3552
05:25:56,440 --> 05:26:02,720
that's that's admirable, admirable. But one of the issues that I do have is that we still can put

3553
05:26:02,720 --> 05:26:07,760
up banners and so forth on the sponsorships, but it's just the advertisement. We live in a world

3554
05:26:07,760 --> 05:26:12,820
right now where it's hyper advertisement, everywhere we go, everywhere we look, somewhere to shooting

3555
05:26:12,820 --> 05:26:21,740
something out of us, trying to sell something out of us, I find that our parks should be our

3556
05:26:21,740 --> 05:26:29,260
get away from the craziness, the noise, the noise that we face every single day, and I look at what happens

3557
05:26:29,260 --> 05:26:30,960
out of me there, hard pork, right?

3558
05:26:30,960 --> 05:26:37,580
And I think about the walkways that we have, we're creating these trees to make sure that we have a place

3559
05:26:37,580 --> 05:26:42,700
that people can feel comfortable and walk along these walkways and be one with themselves,

3560
05:26:42,820 --> 05:26:46,680
the creator, the God, and you know, we're going to have a potential where we can have

3561
05:26:46,680 --> 05:26:51,560
advertisement being thrown their way. I think that this was put in the charter for a reason.

3562
05:26:52,840 --> 05:26:56,480
And unless we can find a way to modify some of this, I just don't know.

3563
05:26:56,740 --> 05:27:01,300
It's a Chairman, I hate to do this, but I just don't know if I can support this at this time with this.

3564
05:27:01,380 --> 05:27:07,840
I think it's just over cumbersome, and I appreciate what you're trying to do, but I just don't know if I can do this at this time.

3565
05:27:07,960 --> 05:27:08,680
Thank you.

3566
05:27:08,940 --> 05:27:11,620
I understand that. I do understand what you're saying.

3567
05:27:11,740 --> 05:27:14,680
And I agree with a lot of, in fact, some of those concerns is kind of like what

3568
05:27:14,680 --> 05:27:18,800
a lot of what's speaking to right of the banners and and and keeping it as a sanctuary.

3569
05:27:20,260 --> 05:27:25,020
The difficulty is is I don't think it's that per se. I think this is the more regulated thing

3570
05:27:25,020 --> 05:27:29,020
that this board could govern. So I do hope that I could earn your support on it, but I understand.

3571
05:27:30,200 --> 05:27:34,540
You know, and I'm not not calling out the atomic bomb here, but the reality is is

3572
05:27:35,560 --> 05:27:44,660
you know, some of these parks and or certainly their programs can cease to exist if we don't

3573
05:27:44,660 --> 05:27:48,440
different options and that's not me saying babies are going to die. That's just a reality.

3574
05:27:50,500 --> 05:27:54,700
That's not me caring, you know, fear tactics. That's a reality. Again, I don't know

3575
05:27:54,700 --> 05:27:59,020
that we're shutting down parks. That's too early to say, but certainly programs can

3576
05:27:59,020 --> 05:28:06,500
can suffer as a result of funding issues. So I look, I understand it's not ideal, but it's also,

3577
05:28:06,560 --> 05:28:12,640
you know, the idea is that if you have a nice kiosk that is a wayfinder that allows you to call

3578
05:28:12,640 --> 05:28:18,960
And then it circulates a couple, you know, nearby restaurants that are across the street from the park.

3579
05:28:19,220 --> 05:28:26,200
Something like that is, I think, is very amenable and doable, but I respect what you're saying, vice chair.

3580
05:28:27,700 --> 05:28:28,540
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

3581
05:28:29,760 --> 05:28:37,080
And first of all, let me just publicly say thank you for allowing the modification of your original language.

3582
05:28:38,720 --> 05:28:47,800
The modification that you made allow for the funding that's captured now to be used in all parts throughout the county.

3583
05:28:48,880 --> 05:28:50,720
So I'll take my head off to you on that.

3584
05:28:50,720 --> 05:29:04,000
Secondly, I'm not quite sure if we will have the same number of interests and certain districts in this county to advertise that certain parks.

3585
05:29:04,760 --> 05:29:09,020
The demographics are different. The impact on revenue would be different.

3586
05:29:09,700 --> 05:29:20,680
But more than anything, there are majority, not majority, but there are quite a few parks in Omsa that are currently not receiving any attention as we speak.

3587
05:29:20,680 --> 05:29:42,680
The programs, the parks, they're deplorable and asking us to take the sanctuary and turn it into an advertisement situation where people can actually promote to certain people,

3588
05:29:42,680 --> 05:29:44,560
certain products and certain items,

3589
05:29:45,620 --> 05:29:48,160
I do believe certain communities will be left out.

3590
05:29:48,980 --> 05:29:52,380
And this is not something I'm just saying, just to say it,

3591
05:29:52,700 --> 05:29:57,060
but if you currently look at areas now where

3592
05:29:57,060 --> 05:29:59,720
there are a majority of unsupparks.

3593
05:30:00,820 --> 05:30:06,120
You will see the huge difference between parks and opposite parks and municipalities.

3594
05:30:07,460 --> 05:30:10,880
And you will also see where people are willing to spend their money.

3595
05:30:11,640 --> 05:30:17,680
I doubt if I get the same advertisers to come to district 9 and advertise in district 9 parks,

3596
05:30:18,220 --> 05:30:24,040
because district 9 parks currently still have buildings that were built in 1940s and a 50s.

3597
05:30:24,040 --> 05:30:32,040
And we haven't seen any major updates to actually invite people into that neighborhood to discuss advertised and opportunities.

3598
05:30:32,880 --> 05:30:34,520
Lastly, let me just say this.

3599
05:30:35,440 --> 05:30:41,700
I am totally in support of finding another way to generate revenue for our parts.

3600
05:30:42,700 --> 05:30:45,860
But I think the equity argument has to be at the forefront.

3601
05:30:46,540 --> 05:30:48,460
Currently, it is not at the forefront.

3602
05:30:48,460 --> 05:30:58,360
And currently where you find a lap of data parks, you also see a correlation of crime, not just crime, but higher crime, and not just higher crime, grow test crimes.

3603
05:30:58,700 --> 05:31:16,120
And not just those grow test crimes, but you also find trauma-induced behaviors because there aren't places where people who are already struggling to survive and make it in this county that they can just go and just find solitude.

3604
05:31:16,120 --> 05:31:26,320
It is impossible to do that, where you have communities that have been begging for parts to be modified to fit today's environment.

3605
05:31:26,920 --> 05:31:42,280
And unfortunately, we add on the idea that property taxes modifying that area of revenue may have a huge impact on parts.

3606
05:31:42,280 --> 05:31:49,640
The fact in a matter is, if it has a huge impact on parks and corrugables, it's going

3607
05:31:49,640 --> 05:31:55,020
to destroy those parks that are already in dilapidated communities where communities have

3608
05:31:55,020 --> 05:31:58,360
been basically shown no love for their parks.

3609
05:31:58,660 --> 05:32:05,020
If we're really talking about generating revenue, we need to talk about allowing for there

3610
05:32:05,020 --> 05:32:11,020
to be a sliding scale, and that sliding scale should begin with if we make the money and

3611
05:32:11,020 --> 05:32:17,420
part of the town that has more opportunities to get greater investors and to these

3612
05:32:17,420 --> 05:32:24,360
advertisements, apparatuses, then we should begin with the parks that are actually already

3613
05:32:24,360 --> 05:32:29,440
struggling to keep its doors open along with its programs and those money should go

3614
05:32:29,440 --> 05:32:37,020
their first and I do not believe at this particular moment that we have arrived to that

3615
05:32:37,020 --> 05:32:42,040
position that I've just announced. And for those reason I've do believe today, I will be

3616
05:32:42,040 --> 05:32:49,060
a no until we actually get a formula in place that would allow for equity to be had across

3617
05:32:49,060 --> 05:32:55,760
the board and particularly in those communities where the median income and where the majority

3618
05:32:55,760 --> 05:33:03,200
of the folk traveling to find a place to have that quiet moment that can't afford to go to places

3619
05:33:03,200 --> 05:33:10,020
like a skyzone or to a bigger park where they can take the kids on go-carts. Until those things happen,

3620
05:33:10,420 --> 05:33:16,360
then I have to be a no-one this because I just do not believe and I trust you and I believe you,

3621
05:33:16,700 --> 05:33:23,860
but I do not believe that the end result will meet the expectations that you are seeking when you're

3622
05:33:23,860 --> 05:33:30,320
pushing this piece of legislation. Thank you, Vice Chair. Madam Mayor. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3623
05:33:30,320 --> 05:33:36,580
So, I just briefly want to say, of course, we need to raise revenue where we can, and we

3624
05:33:36,580 --> 05:33:38,200
appreciate this item.

3625
05:33:38,880 --> 05:33:45,000
There were some changes made, which we were also appreciative of, Christina White, our

3626
05:33:45,000 --> 05:33:51,380
Park Director, wants to speak briefly, to concerns about being too specific at this point.

3627
05:33:51,640 --> 05:33:57,080
And as much as possible, leaving more to an implementing order should it pass public scrutiny.

3628
05:33:57,080 --> 05:34:03,820
and it could address some of the details about what signages more aesthetically appropriate

3629
05:34:03,820 --> 05:34:06,560
as well as some of the distribution issues that have been raised.

3630
05:34:07,080 --> 05:34:11,400
We certainly want this to benefit parks throughout the county.

3631
05:34:12,020 --> 05:34:15,100
So with that, if we could allow her to just say a few words, please.

3632
05:34:15,500 --> 05:34:15,880
Sure, Christina.

3633
05:34:16,480 --> 05:34:22,180
And as you do, and feel free to do that, the attorneys have come to tell me to have an amendment

3634
05:34:22,180 --> 05:34:23,960
prepared based on Reganados concerns.

3635
05:34:24,840 --> 05:34:29,280
It's somewhere in the middle of exactly what Reganado said, and probably what you're about to say.

3636
05:34:30,520 --> 05:34:33,780
So I think it may cover what you're about to say, but go ahead and say it anyway.

3637
05:34:34,580 --> 05:34:37,780
And we'll hear the final verdict of the lawyers on what they recommend.

3638
05:34:38,120 --> 05:34:41,640
All right. Well, good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Commissioner is Christina White Pro's director.

3639
05:34:41,840 --> 05:34:47,320
I am so appreciative of this conversation because, of course, as Park's director, I'm the purist.

3640
05:34:47,320 --> 05:34:59,200
So, very thankful to hear that there's some regulation that maybe we're talking about doing and seeing, but we also understand that the economic times are what they are and all ideas for revenue are certainly welcome.

3641
05:35:00,000 --> 05:35:29,860
I just wanted to put my concerns on the record about being too specific in the charter. As the charter, as everybody knows, is very difficult to change in the future. And we don't know what will happen in 5, 10, 15 years from now. So to be very specific about what we're going to allow, could end up locking us in, boxing us into these restrictions in the future. Not just from the revenue perspective, but also practical concerns, such as tournament cycle on right now, soccer,

3642
05:35:29,860 --> 05:35:32,500
for fall, baseball tournaments that currently exist.

3643
05:35:32,900 --> 05:35:35,200
We do allow banners to go up during those.

3644
05:35:35,480 --> 05:35:38,860
So if we start restricting how much can go up,

3645
05:35:38,860 --> 05:35:40,680
then we're going to start having problems with the,

3646
05:35:41,040 --> 05:35:43,060
what we already allow within our parks.

3647
05:35:43,420 --> 05:35:45,020
So what I wanted to just suggest,

3648
05:35:45,020 --> 05:35:47,680
if the board was going to move forward with this item,

3649
05:35:48,140 --> 05:35:52,060
is to have it be general, however you see fit.

3650
05:35:52,060 --> 05:35:54,520
And then we do come back as we've been talking about a committee

3651
05:35:54,520 --> 05:35:56,920
and otherwise with follow-up legislation

3652
05:35:56,920 --> 05:36:02,440
and internal procedures to put in those additional restrictions that you all see fit.

3653
05:36:02,540 --> 05:36:13,200
Thank you, Director, and that's I think that so if the attorneys can read up an amendment that they have that I think will give ease to Commissioner Regalatos Concern and I'm okay with it go ahead.

3654
05:36:15,610 --> 05:36:23,590
Chair moves to amend item 11820 to add a requirement that all such advertising must be consistent with standards established by ordinance of the board.

3655
05:36:23,590 --> 05:36:30,710
And that would be added to the charter and to the ballot language we'd figure out exactly how to put the ballot language in there to include that.

3656
05:36:30,870 --> 05:36:36,450
But this would essentially not allow the advertising to occur until you've established standards by ordinance.

3657
05:36:37,090 --> 05:36:37,370
Second.

3658
05:36:37,710 --> 05:36:39,870
It doesn't say the fencing on the charter.

3659
05:36:40,250 --> 05:36:46,310
So it's still kind of consistent with the same issue of the voters may not be too clear on it.

3660
05:36:46,450 --> 05:36:51,070
But it clearly states that we can't do anything until this board adopts guidelines.

3661
05:36:51,070 --> 05:36:52,610
So it's not that it's going to happen automatically.

3662
05:36:53,270 --> 05:36:55,110
Once it passes and then if we don't take action,

3663
05:36:55,410 --> 05:37:02,170
we have to take action and adopt or ordinance surrounding that before they can go out and advertise.

3664
05:37:02,950 --> 05:37:06,010
I appreciate that, but that it's not.

3665
05:37:06,390 --> 05:37:13,270
My issue is that my residence absolutely hate the ads on the fences and to Christina's point.

3666
05:37:13,370 --> 05:37:17,710
I mean, the tournaments that's not an ad, it's just an event that's happening there.

3667
05:37:17,710 --> 05:37:18,730
It's not advertisements.

3668
05:37:18,730 --> 05:37:24,870
so I don't I don't think that that would impact that but I can't support it with that and honestly

3669
05:37:24,870 --> 05:37:34,290
I don't think it'll pass without speaking to this issue because the advertising on school sites is so hated by so many residents

3670
05:37:34,290 --> 05:37:44,910
So I wanted to pass which is why I think we need to deal with this issue because every resident that I've spoken to about advertising in our parks

3671
05:37:44,910 --> 05:37:49,710
their first question has been are you going to do with the school district doesn't if so no.

3672
05:37:50,830 --> 05:37:56,730
So I think given what the school district has done this is our biggest hurdle in order to get

3673
05:37:56,730 --> 05:38:02,870
support we have so many parts that are directly adjacent to single family homes and just like the

3674
05:38:02,870 --> 05:38:12,330
schools they hate seeing all those ads. So again I'm I'm open to it I'm open to but what I'm hearing

3675
05:38:12,330 --> 05:38:19,450
is it's not, it's too specific, like I am okay with what Regulano is saying, but I understand

3676
05:38:19,450 --> 05:38:25,770
that it's restrictive and so listen if it doesn't pass and the voters don't see the benefit

3677
05:38:25,770 --> 05:38:32,270
of private revenue to offset a shortfall of taxpayer dollars,

3678
05:38:34,670 --> 05:38:42,310
we can only take the horse to the

3679
05:38:42,310 --> 05:38:49,350
I'm comfortable with that amendment, go where I'd like to call a vote on it, you may.

3680
05:38:50,170 --> 05:38:53,570
Mr. Chairman, thank you. I'm just a couple of points first. While I appreciate your

3681
05:38:53,570 --> 05:38:58,430
voters might not be okay with that, I don't know that I've heard that complaint and we've

3682
05:38:58,430 --> 05:39:02,950
had advertising around parks in schools in Miami Gardens for a while now. So we haven't heard

3683
05:39:02,950 --> 05:39:06,210
that complaint. That's the first thing. The second thing is everything has to be relative

3684
05:39:06,210 --> 05:39:10,970
to the other thing. So we're going to have no money for parks. Are they okay with higher rental

3685
05:39:10,970 --> 05:39:15,330
are they okay with higher, you know, participation fees, like the things that we actually

3686
05:39:15,330 --> 05:39:21,330
were using the money for. Yeah, so it's, it's, it's, it's, in an ideal world we wouldn't do

3687
05:39:21,330 --> 05:39:26,090
it, but we're not in an ideal world and we're going to a less ideal world. And so that's the

3688
05:39:26,090 --> 05:39:30,210
other thing. And then with regards to Commissioner of Vice Chairman's perspective, I agree with

3689
05:39:30,210 --> 05:39:34,910
him, but I don't think the answer is not putting the item before the voters. I think the answer

3690
05:39:34,910 --> 05:39:39,970
is when it comes back to this board making sure that that money is distributed in a way that

3691
05:39:39,970 --> 05:39:41,770
actually helps everyone.

3692
05:39:42,330 --> 05:39:45,570
The reason why I think this was changed and I think we changed it in committee and you changed

3693
05:39:45,570 --> 05:39:51,970
it in committee was because we have invested our general dollars, our general fund dollars

3694
05:39:51,970 --> 05:39:55,490
in parks and that's been everybody's money that's been invested in those parks.

3695
05:39:56,030 --> 05:39:59,970
And so now that we have really nice assets in some places and not just nice assets enough.

3696
05:40:00,000 --> 05:40:07,480
It wouldn't be fair to actually take the profit and just keep it in that area. We understood that that's why the item was actually amended.

3697
05:40:08,560 --> 05:40:16,940
And so I think this item should go for it. And I think that we should be able to advertise to the greatest extent possible that it's not like completely offensive.

3698
05:40:17,500 --> 05:40:26,420
We have to be serious about finding ways to offset the looming budget hold that already exist in parks.

3699
05:40:27,080 --> 05:40:29,800
So wait to be serious. I moved this item.

3700
05:40:30,120 --> 05:40:30,860
I moved this item.

3701
05:40:30,900 --> 05:40:32,100
I moved this item.

3702
05:40:32,140 --> 05:40:34,600
I'm going to come up a lot of you are still in all right.

3703
05:40:35,500 --> 05:40:35,840
Okay, so.

3704
05:40:35,840 --> 05:40:37,920
That's a man to not as a man to know. Remove the amendment.

3705
05:40:38,920 --> 05:40:40,760
All right. All in favor signify by say aye.

3706
05:40:41,400 --> 05:40:42,300
All opposed nay.

3707
05:40:43,120 --> 05:40:44,080
Show the item passed.

3708
05:40:44,520 --> 05:40:45,500
All right.

3709
05:40:45,760 --> 05:40:49,480
Back on two second reading items.

3710
05:40:50,540 --> 05:40:52,780
Madam attorney or Mr. attorney.

3711
05:40:53,760 --> 05:40:54,820
Mr. Chair.

3712
05:40:54,820 --> 05:40:59,580
If I may, it was advised by the county attorneys that I had to move to reconsider 50.

3713
05:41:00,020 --> 05:41:00,660
Yes, you may.

3714
05:41:01,080 --> 05:41:04,040
I'll let Mr. Arbionette clarify that.

3715
05:41:04,200 --> 05:41:04,780
Show 50.

3716
05:41:05,200 --> 05:41:07,640
All reconsidered by Commissioner Orbis seconded by Commissioner Gonzalez.

3717
05:41:08,420 --> 05:41:10,600
I'm a favor of the reconsideration signify by say aye.

3718
05:41:11,200 --> 05:41:13,100
Opposed nay, short reconsidered.

3719
05:41:13,120 --> 05:41:13,600
Madam attorney.

3720
05:41:16,720 --> 05:41:18,400
This item will need to be re-advertised.

3721
05:41:18,560 --> 05:41:21,800
And it will come back on the September 1st agenda to be voted on

3722
05:41:21,800 --> 05:41:23,580
and to either approve or deny the waiver input.

3723
05:41:23,980 --> 05:41:26,100
Is there any action that needs to be taken by the commissioner at this time?

3724
05:41:26,100 --> 05:41:30,740
other reconsideration. Yeah, Mr. Chair. All right. Thank you very much. We're on to second reading

3725
05:41:30,740 --> 05:41:35,820
that. We have an airport item if we could do it real quick. Move it. Yes. If I could have the

3726
05:41:35,820 --> 05:41:38,300
attorneys read the airport motion.

3727
05:41:41,310 --> 05:41:45,970
You can read it go ahead. Aviation item. Aviation. Which one?

3728
05:41:46,830 --> 05:41:51,950
Mine. An item or a motion? Motion. Motion. Sorry. Motion. One second. We'll get that.

3729
05:41:52,030 --> 05:41:58,230
Is the chairman before we get the can I just recognize my entrance? Yeah. Yeah. Can we recognize all of them?

3730
05:41:58,310 --> 05:42:05,730
I have to right here we have are they from your yeah for these are separate now because you're leaving they have to go back to the district and get some work done

3731
05:42:05,730 --> 05:42:23,710
But these are separate from yet from you think engagement program. Yes, sir. Yeah, recognize a one. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We'd like to recognize and thank Alice and Ray is and Allen aligns Sanchez for their help and support in our office and our internship program for you two great kids are right behind back here and

3732
05:42:23,710 --> 05:42:26,530
All right, I like it. That's worth it

3733
05:42:26,530 --> 05:42:32,290
So are the you think engagement program students are they all over can you all stand up?

3734
05:42:35,340 --> 05:42:36,860
All right, all right

3735
05:42:38,690 --> 05:42:46,730
This is the you could stay standing up for a second. So this is the second year that we have the you think engagement program ran by our intergovernmental affairs

3736
05:42:46,730 --> 05:42:55,390
team. Well, I see Henry here. I see Sam here. I see a few and I don't know where Alina is but you know, it's what like 25 20 sick. We've we got

3737
05:42:56,030 --> 05:42:58,870
We couldn't keep up. We got over 50 applications this year

3738
05:42:59,570 --> 05:43:09,230
and I told them this when I went to speak to them last week, but you're fortunate and should be honored to know that you were selected among several others.

3739
05:43:09,330 --> 05:43:27,090
I mean about double the amount that made the cut. So congratulations. This particular class and last year's class was great and always be a class that I remember as the inaugural class, but this class is extremely, extremely smart, educated, polished.

3740
05:43:27,090 --> 05:43:28,770
they asked all the right questions.

3741
05:43:29,810 --> 05:43:35,190
I was surprised to hear how many questions I understand that there's one particular

3742
05:43:37,010 --> 05:43:41,550
yet student who is leading the way with others.

3743
05:43:41,730 --> 05:43:48,990
Now has encouraged others to start podcasts because has one of her own and now folks are

3744
05:43:48,990 --> 05:43:53,210
trying to ask her parents to buy them like recording equipment and podcasts equipment.

3745
05:43:53,770 --> 05:43:59,550
So congratulations, but honestly all of you have led the way I would have never in a million dreams

3746
05:43:59,550 --> 05:44:01,550
thought to do what you guys are doing at your age.

3747
05:44:01,690 --> 05:44:02,150
So congratulations.

3748
05:44:02,390 --> 05:44:03,610
Thank you for being here today.

3749
05:44:06,870 --> 05:44:11,290
I actually want to thank you for putting this program together.

3750
05:44:12,150 --> 05:44:16,690
You had the foresight to do so and help shape the next generation of leaders.

3751
05:44:17,630 --> 05:44:22,370
I know that last year and this year both of the appointments that were for district four

3752
05:44:22,370 --> 05:44:27,670
found it so immeasurably like they're now interested in everything that we're doing which before

3753
05:44:27,670 --> 05:44:30,870
wasn't even on their radar so I want to thank you for putting this forward.

3754
05:44:31,170 --> 05:44:31,750
Thank you commissioner.

3755
05:44:33,130 --> 05:44:39,250
I think so yeah if I make a graduation this this is a great deal and it gets these kids

3756
05:44:39,250 --> 05:44:43,930
involved in government understand what they can do if they actually speak up and I just

3757
05:44:43,930 --> 05:44:48,070
think you want to have the best one that you have in different district 13 so yeah

3758
05:44:48,070 --> 05:44:52,350
He's a coach. He needs the best one. He's a Jose Garcia. You're there. I bless you to you.

3759
05:44:52,510 --> 05:44:55,070
So thank you so much and congratulations.

3760
05:44:55,710 --> 05:44:58,030
Is it? I have to take a shout out. Come on, guys. Come on.

3761
05:44:58,030 --> 05:44:59,970
From every day. They're all wonderful. Look at that.

3762
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:05,940
I'm cheering on. I question, it's not district 13, it's not the best one. It's not 12, it's 12.

3763
05:45:06,220 --> 05:45:12,100
Want to be clear? They're all really so bright, and I mean that I'm not just being nice. Everybody's the same.

3764
05:45:12,400 --> 05:45:16,880
They're all the same. It's not true. They're all good. They're all true. That's not true. Not everyone's the same.

3765
05:45:16,960 --> 05:45:24,480
Don't get me going to say, some parents will tell you that, but no, not everybody's the same. Everyone's loved and cared for, but different.

3766
05:45:25,540 --> 05:45:27,080
Yeah, I know, I know, all right.

3767
05:45:27,960 --> 05:45:29,720
So, but no, listen, and you're right.

3768
05:45:29,840 --> 05:45:32,340
Senator Garcia has experienced in the legislature

3769
05:45:32,340 --> 05:45:37,860
such as Lopez and Moses and McGee who stepped out,

3770
05:45:38,400 --> 05:45:40,400
that, you know, this is something that the state legislature

3771
05:45:40,400 --> 05:45:42,520
does as the page and messenger program.

3772
05:45:43,260 --> 05:45:46,160
My, all my kids, all three of my kids have done the program

3773
05:45:46,160 --> 05:45:48,400
for several years in the state legislature

3774
05:45:48,920 --> 05:45:50,780
and the amount of information that they've learned

3775
05:45:50,780 --> 05:45:53,320
and gathered from it has been very, very helpful.

3776
05:45:53,320 --> 05:45:58,460
In fact, they've learned things there that they did not learn from their own dad as an

3777
05:45:58,460 --> 05:45:59,920
other dad as an in government.

3778
05:46:00,380 --> 05:46:02,480
So I think you all will take a lot out of this.

3779
05:46:02,620 --> 05:46:03,620
Make sure you soak it all up.

3780
05:46:03,940 --> 05:46:04,580
So again, congratulations.

3781
05:46:05,060 --> 05:46:06,780
You deserve a round of applause for doing this.

3782
05:46:06,920 --> 05:46:07,320
Congratulations.

3783
05:46:12,790 --> 05:46:13,030
All right.

3784
05:46:13,110 --> 05:46:13,630
Madam materna.

3785
05:46:13,730 --> 05:46:15,550
Are we ready with a motion by Commissioner Regalado?

3786
05:46:16,450 --> 05:46:17,250
Yes, Mr. Chairman.

3787
05:46:17,670 --> 05:46:17,890
All right.

3788
05:46:18,050 --> 05:46:19,910
Commissioner Regalado moves to a man's resolution.

3789
05:46:20,350 --> 05:46:25,690
Number R 1234-25, which approved the purchase of certain real property rights.

3790
05:46:25,690 --> 05:46:28,610
pursuant to propose a mandatory state of the agreement between

3791
05:46:28,610 --> 05:46:33,510
Mamizate County as Lessor, an arrow Miami LLC as Lessie for airport property

3792
05:46:33,510 --> 05:46:37,090
to authorize the County Mayor Mayor's as a need to eliminate the provision

3793
05:46:37,090 --> 05:46:41,030
the drafts amended agreement requiring the Lessie to pay additional monthly

3794
05:46:41,030 --> 05:46:44,970
rental payments of 2% of gross rents received from all subtenits

3795
05:46:44,970 --> 05:46:48,010
because fair market rent ground rental will be paid.

3796
05:46:49,980 --> 05:46:52,280
All right, so it's been moved by Commissioner Regalado seconded by

3797
05:46:53,620 --> 05:47:00,240
Commissioner Lopez. Any discussion on the motion? Seeing none. All in favor signify by say

3798
05:47:00,240 --> 05:47:08,340
an aye. Aye. All opposed nay. Show that motion passed. Thank you. All right. Congratulations. Any other

3799
05:47:08,340 --> 05:47:12,600
motions? We've got we already have the reconsideration. We have the motion. So now on to second reading

3800
05:47:12,600 --> 05:47:21,080
items. Do I have? Does the attorney need to read all the items? Yes. Yes. Okay. Go ahead. I'll read

3801
05:47:21,080 --> 05:47:25,200
Item quickly, 7A ordinance relating to the rapid transit system development zone, amending

3802
05:47:25,200 --> 05:47:31,760
sections 33C-2, and 33C-3.3 of the code, expanding the smart quarter sub zone of the

3803
05:47:31,760 --> 05:47:35,720
rapid transit zone to encompass certain private property and the vicinity of Southwest 27th

3804
05:47:35,720 --> 05:47:41,160
Avenue, and Southwest 28 lane located within a quarter mile of a public transit station, providing

3805
05:47:41,160 --> 05:47:45,320
severability, inclusion of the code, and an effective date, 7Bs and ordinance relating

3806
05:47:45,320 --> 05:47:50,000
to the rapid transit system development zone, amending section 33C-2 of the code, amending

3807
05:47:50,000 --> 05:47:53,960
the Metro movers sub zone of the rapid transit zone to add certain private property, providing

3808
05:47:53,960 --> 05:47:58,180
severability inclusion in the code and an effective date, 7D.

3809
05:48:00,700 --> 05:48:01,340
We're going to get back

3810
05:48:01,340 --> 05:48:01,900
to.

3811
05:48:05,340 --> 05:48:10,400
And 7E is an ordinance creating section 8-9 of the code requiring the county mayor

3812
05:48:10,400 --> 05:48:14,940
or does need to develop an implement, a same day permitting program for certain permit applications

3813
05:48:14,940 --> 05:48:19,160
for certain residential projects, and to provide reports every six months, providing

3814
05:48:19,160 --> 05:48:24,240
and the code and an effective date, and I have a request to

3815
05:48:24,240 --> 05:48:29,420
bifurcate 7B by Commissioner Lopez and 7E and it's supplement by Commissioner Regalado.

3816
05:48:31,340 --> 05:48:33,660
All right, so can I have a motion on the remainder of the items?

3817
05:48:34,260 --> 05:48:37,640
It's been moved by Commissioner Gonzalez, seconded by Commissioner

3818
05:48:38,180 --> 05:48:41,340
Orbis, and clerk, please call the roll.

3819
05:48:41,340 --> 05:49:06,460
Commissioner Bermutis, Commissioner Cone Higgins, Senator Garcia, Commissioner Gilbert, Commissioner Gonzalez, Commissioner Lopez, Commissioner Million Orbis, Commissioner Regalado, Commissioner Steinberg, Commissioner Bastien, Vice Chairman McGee, Chairman Rodriguez.

3820
05:49:06,460 --> 05:49:08,420
I vote yes. Motion passes unanimously.

3821
05:49:08,820 --> 05:49:11,320
All right commissioner Lopez you recognize on D five.

3822
05:49:11,420 --> 05:49:12,220
Thank you Mr. Chairman.

3823
05:49:12,480 --> 05:49:14,040
I'm sorry. You are D five.

3824
05:49:14,500 --> 05:49:17,860
So the county attorney has a motion to read into the record.

3825
05:49:17,900 --> 05:49:19,740
Please read commissioner Lopez's motion.

3826
05:49:19,940 --> 05:49:25,480
Commissioner Lopez moves to amend item seven B to one remove references to the properties located at 25 southeast

3827
05:49:25,480 --> 05:49:27,120
history in 20 southeast history.

3828
05:49:27,520 --> 05:49:33,440
From the six whereas calls on page m d c zero zero five and the accompanying exhibit map and two to correct the exhibit

3829
05:49:33,440 --> 05:49:37,900
Mass Graphical depiction of the property located at 9's out these six street to ask such

3830
05:49:37,900 --> 05:49:41,280
properties not within the RTC but has been runously depicted on the map as being within the

3831
05:49:41,280 --> 05:49:41,880
RTC.

3832
05:49:42,300 --> 05:49:44,720
All right, so show it move by Commissioner Lopez as amended.

3833
05:49:46,440 --> 05:49:51,620
I would like to put my comments on the record because of this, so I don't know if everyone

3834
05:49:51,620 --> 05:49:56,480
has been following in the urban area we have very little green space.

3835
05:49:56,480 --> 05:49:59,520
these two parcels that I'm removing.

3836
05:50:00,000 --> 05:50:07,460
From the RTC zone, is because they are the traditional and Alan Morris Park in Berkel.

3837
05:50:08,620 --> 05:50:13,020
There was a boner contention around what would be happening to those two parcels.

3838
05:50:14,060 --> 05:50:21,000
In particular, because they have been used as a park over the years, this will return it back into the,

3839
05:50:21,620 --> 05:50:25,860
I'm not accepting them into the RTC, they will go through the city of Miami's permitting process.

3840
05:50:25,860 --> 05:50:31,520
I think the real issue was the trees, what would happen to all the trees on the property.

3841
05:50:32,200 --> 05:50:37,120
The city of Miami has a huge issue with tree permits.

3842
05:50:37,760 --> 05:50:44,960
So my residents expressed a lot of concerns about it moving into the RTC, where there wouldn't

3843
05:50:44,960 --> 05:50:46,740
be the same protections for the trees.

3844
05:50:46,840 --> 05:50:50,380
So I've agreed to remove them from the RTC.

3845
05:50:51,120 --> 05:50:51,700
That is.

3846
05:50:51,700 --> 05:50:58,300
All right, so it's been moved, it's been seconded by Commissioner Cohen Higgins, all in favor of that item as amended,

3847
05:50:58,440 --> 05:50:59,280
and if I'd say aye.

3848
05:51:00,020 --> 05:51:00,480
All opposed.

3849
05:51:00,880 --> 05:51:01,560
It's, we need a roll.

3850
05:51:01,660 --> 05:51:03,200
I'm sorry, yeah, I was getting there, sorry.

3851
05:51:03,400 --> 05:51:04,560
I'll call it please call the roll.

3852
05:51:05,300 --> 05:51:06,460
Commissioner Cohen Higgins?

3853
05:51:09,040 --> 05:51:09,520
Yes.

3854
05:51:10,960 --> 05:51:11,040
Yes.

3855
05:51:11,120 --> 05:51:11,660
Senator Garcia,

3856
05:51:14,200 --> 05:51:19,780
Commissioner Gilbert, Commissioner Gonzalez, Commissioner Lopez, yes.

3857
05:51:20,080 --> 05:51:22,020
Commissioner Milian Norbus, yes.

3858
05:51:22,640 --> 05:51:25,300
Commissioner Regalado, Commissioner Steinberg,

3859
05:51:26,160 --> 05:51:32,020
Commissioner Bustian, Commissioner Burmutes, Vice Chairman McGee, Chairman Rodriguez.

3860
05:51:33,340 --> 05:51:34,340
Motion passes unanimously.

3861
05:51:34,820 --> 05:51:35,560
All right, 70.

3862
05:51:35,700 --> 05:51:37,380
I'll entertain a motion on 70.

3863
05:51:38,040 --> 05:51:39,480
There's been movement commissioner Gonzalez.

3864
05:51:39,820 --> 05:51:42,700
Seconded by Commissioner Lopez, Commissioner from District 7.

3865
05:51:42,700 --> 05:51:43,160
You're recognized.

3866
05:51:43,420 --> 05:51:44,240
Thank you.

3867
05:51:44,740 --> 05:51:46,580
I just had a question for Lordes on this.

3868
05:51:46,580 --> 05:51:49,520
Because I remember that we did some of this already.

3869
05:51:49,880 --> 05:51:54,000
And the city of Miami actually is now copying what we did.

3870
05:51:54,000 --> 05:52:00,860
So I think this is codifying some of the things that already exist so Lord is what's what's new here

3871
05:52:01,860 --> 05:52:08,640
Correct, so we can turn it on the record. That's exactly what is it's codifying a lot of the things that we do already to make sure it can't be changed

3872
05:52:09,060 --> 05:52:14,180
Okay, all right because I was like when I read it. I was like we actually do this already do most of it. Yeah, we do must okay

3873
05:52:14,180 --> 05:52:21,080
We're codifying all of it and maybe adding a couple of little things, but yes, it's we they're currently implementing some of it

3874
05:52:21,080 --> 05:52:23,360
I don't know that they actually always keep it to the one day.

3875
05:52:23,660 --> 05:52:25,120
Sometimes it goes two, three, four days.

3876
05:52:25,780 --> 05:52:29,040
But yes, we're codifying it and making a straight to 24 hours.

3877
05:52:29,220 --> 05:52:30,180
All right, then that's fine.

3878
05:52:30,320 --> 05:52:31,280
Well, I'm happy to support.

3879
05:52:31,840 --> 05:52:31,860
All right.

3880
05:52:32,080 --> 05:52:32,640
So we have a motion.

3881
05:52:32,740 --> 05:52:33,360
We have a second.

3882
05:52:33,420 --> 05:52:35,200
All in favor, signify by Sayonai.

3883
05:52:35,600 --> 05:52:36,400
All opposed, nay.

3884
05:52:37,000 --> 05:52:37,780
So, roll call.

3885
05:52:38,000 --> 05:52:38,580
Oh, roll call.

3886
05:52:39,300 --> 05:52:40,260
I'm going to fast here.

3887
05:52:40,360 --> 05:52:41,460
Claire, please call the roll.

3888
05:52:41,640 --> 05:52:43,200
Another verse here.

3889
05:52:44,160 --> 05:52:44,880
Commissioner Gilbert.

3890
05:52:46,940 --> 05:52:47,660
Commissioner Gonzalez.

3891
05:52:49,040 --> 05:52:49,160
Four.

3892
05:52:50,020 --> 05:52:50,740
Commissioner Lopez.

3893
05:52:50,740 --> 05:53:01,540
Yes, Commissioner Milia Norbus, Commissioner Regalado, Commissioner Steinberg, Commissioner Bastien, Commissioner Bermutis,

3894
05:53:05,930 --> 05:53:10,630
Commissioner Conehiggins, Vice Chairman McGee, Chairman Rodriguez.

3895
05:53:10,870 --> 05:53:12,630
I vote yes. Motion passes unanimously.

3896
05:53:13,450 --> 05:53:23,870
All right. Madam attorney, by passing for a minute, the discussion items can we move into the pool list.

3897
05:53:26,240 --> 05:53:28,260
Now, we'll go back to discussion items afterwards.

3898
05:53:28,800 --> 05:53:30,100
Yes, would you like to go in order?

3899
05:53:30,440 --> 05:53:31,860
Yes, but is there any releases at all?

3900
05:53:32,400 --> 05:53:35,000
I have one release, then I have one.

3901
05:53:35,340 --> 05:53:36,000
There may be others.

3902
05:53:36,280 --> 05:53:38,300
We've got 3700 pulled items, so.

3903
05:53:38,360 --> 05:53:41,040
Yes, Senator Garcia is the only pulling commission.

3904
05:53:41,240 --> 05:53:43,420
I think for item 8F1.

3905
05:53:43,680 --> 05:53:43,760
Okay.

3906
05:53:43,840 --> 05:53:45,400
He's releasing that item.

3907
05:53:48,300 --> 05:53:48,700
Okay.

3908
05:53:49,320 --> 05:53:49,840
8F1.

3909
05:53:50,740 --> 05:53:52,420
8F1, light speed.

3910
05:53:54,160 --> 05:53:55,420
And what did I fall?

3911
05:53:58,170 --> 05:53:58,490
You said.

3912
05:54:02,010 --> 05:54:07,690
Okay, and I'll release 11825. I just wanted to co-prime it.

3913
05:54:09,870 --> 05:54:12,790
I was gonna I was gonna add some stuff to it

3914
05:54:13,790 --> 05:54:18,370
Right, did I have an amendment prepared? No, yeah, I just wanted to I support it

3915
05:54:18,370 --> 05:54:20,910
But I really I just want a co-sponsor you're sorry. I got some item

3916
05:54:21,630 --> 05:54:24,010
Come on, sure. So I'll release it with a co-sponsor ship

3917
05:54:25,650 --> 05:54:26,050
11825

3918
05:54:26,910 --> 05:54:31,870
than Senator Garcia's releasing 8F1 and 8N8 as well.

3919
05:54:32,310 --> 05:54:39,510
8N8 okay great and then Bermutus I think it's 92 if we may ask 95 I'm sorry 95 you're releasing

3920
05:54:39,510 --> 05:54:44,410
which is odd release it if I'd like the co-sponsorate with Commissioner Cone against Co-prime

3921
05:54:44,410 --> 05:54:48,870
it because that is something that came about with the combination of something in our district

3922
05:54:48,870 --> 05:54:52,790
and her district so if I may I'll release it I just wanted to co-prime it you want a co-prime

3923
05:54:52,790 --> 05:54:54,570
Okay, is that okay for him to call sponsors?

3924
05:54:55,110 --> 05:54:55,930
Absolutely not.

3925
05:54:57,390 --> 05:54:57,850
All right.

3926
05:54:58,310 --> 05:54:59,990
So it's been released and called private.

3927
05:55:00,000 --> 05:55:15,200
All right, can we entertain a motion on 8F1, 95, 11825, and there was another one, dirty. 8 and 8.

3928
05:55:15,320 --> 05:55:24,000
8 and 8. Okay, it's been moved by Lopez, seconded by Gonzales, all in favor, signify by say aye.

3929
05:55:25,260 --> 05:55:29,420
Allipose name, show the items, show those four past.

3930
05:55:30,480 --> 05:55:38,700
All right, two be five, CBO report card, commissioner from district five, you're recognized.

3931
05:55:39,500 --> 05:55:47,120
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So I just wanted to say that I grateful for the information that was given to us,

3932
05:55:47,120 --> 05:55:52,580
but it's not what I was looking for at all. So here's what I was looking for when it comes to CBO funding.

3933
05:55:53,400 --> 05:56:01,080
I was looking for the name of the organization, how much money they receive federally, state and locally.

3934
05:56:03,580 --> 05:56:05,880
And how many years they've been receiving funding.

3935
05:56:06,020 --> 05:56:13,100
I mean, I think this was a good start, but it is missing so much information that I'd like to work with the administration.

3936
05:56:13,100 --> 05:56:20,100
I think at least how I read the resolution that was passed that generated this report.

3937
05:56:20,720 --> 05:56:24,680
There was a lot more that we requested that didn't get sent to us.

3938
05:56:25,200 --> 05:56:28,500
So I would, and I looked here.

3939
05:56:29,800 --> 05:56:37,060
This was a good overall picture of some of the CBOs.

3940
05:56:38,060 --> 05:56:45,840
I'm just curious when we'll have a much more deeper dive into every single CBO that we fund.

3941
05:56:46,840 --> 05:56:48,940
So that's a question for the administration.

3942
05:56:50,460 --> 05:56:51,180
Through the chair.

3943
05:56:51,520 --> 05:56:53,120
I'd like to recognize Ray Baker.

3944
05:56:53,320 --> 05:56:56,840
There's actually two reports and I think he can help clarify.

3945
05:56:57,600 --> 05:57:00,260
Director Baker, you're recognized for response.

3946
05:57:00,840 --> 05:57:01,400
Good afternoon.

3947
05:57:02,420 --> 05:57:03,600
Yes, so there's two reports.

3948
05:57:03,600 --> 05:57:10,400
to be five is the annual report card that we're required to submit and then 14 B2 would be the

3949
05:57:10,400 --> 05:57:14,880
one that is the response to the resolutions that you're referring to.

3950
05:57:16,360 --> 05:57:22,160
Just does that item show me complete details and number of years that we've been funding them?

3951
05:57:22,160 --> 05:57:26,440
Where they get their funding? That's what I'm looking for.

3952
05:57:27,540 --> 05:57:31,160
I don't believe that was called for in the request but we can certainly provide that to you.

3953
05:57:31,160 --> 05:57:39,460
So, I guess to help us during the budget, even though I know the mayor has kept the CBOs,

3954
05:57:39,460 --> 05:57:46,440
you know, halt harmless, I still think that we have to understand what are our priorities

3955
05:57:46,440 --> 05:57:53,060
as a commission, what do we want to fund, and in order to make those decisions, we need

3956
05:57:53,060 --> 05:57:57,960
to understand every single CBO that is funded and where they're getting their money, how much

3957
05:57:57,960 --> 05:58:01,140
do they get from the federal government, how much do they get from the state government,

3958
05:58:01,140 --> 05:58:07,620
What have we been funding them? How many years have we been funding them? How many people do they serve?

3959
05:58:08,080 --> 05:58:14,500
I mean, I know this was a big discussion last in the last budget cycle.

3960
05:58:15,000 --> 05:58:25,280
But I can't imagine my being able to make any decisions based on CBO funding without all of that information.

3961
05:58:25,280 --> 05:58:32,460
And so I am hopeful that within the next month I'll be able to review that because I think

3962
05:58:32,460 --> 05:58:40,580
certainly the committee that Commissioner Million Orbis and I chair would be very interested

3963
05:58:40,580 --> 05:58:48,160
in drilling down to the absolute detail because you know there are matching funds as well.

3964
05:58:48,280 --> 05:58:51,760
I'd like to know how much this is the process at the state level.

3965
05:58:51,760 --> 05:58:55,300
We ask how much matching funds do you have from anyone, right?

3966
05:58:55,400 --> 05:58:56,060
Who is that?

3967
05:58:56,100 --> 05:58:57,460
Is it a private foundation?

3968
05:58:57,700 --> 05:58:58,800
Is it a private organization?

3969
05:58:59,500 --> 05:59:00,920
Is it federal grants?

3970
05:59:01,160 --> 05:59:02,020
Is it state grants?

3971
05:59:02,200 --> 05:59:06,120
I mean, we get a lot of requests at the state level

3972
05:59:06,120 --> 05:59:08,400
to fund projects.

3973
05:59:09,120 --> 05:59:13,260
We call through them specifically every single request.

3974
05:59:13,760 --> 05:59:16,900
And we make decisions based on that kind of information

3975
05:59:16,900 --> 05:59:17,720
in that data.

3976
05:59:18,060 --> 05:59:20,980
So I was hoping that we would be able to get that for every single

3977
05:59:21,620 --> 05:59:24,120
that has been included in the budget this year.

3978
05:59:25,320 --> 05:59:26,080
Through the chair.

3979
05:59:26,280 --> 05:59:26,920
Yes, Madam Mayor.

3980
05:59:27,480 --> 05:59:27,840
Thank you.

3981
05:59:28,120 --> 05:59:30,900
I want to indicate that in addition to Ray,

3982
05:59:31,280 --> 05:59:32,180
we have Dan Wall.

3983
05:59:32,380 --> 05:59:36,400
Dan Wall has been leading on the non-profits for,

3984
05:59:36,400 --> 05:59:37,760
I don't know, 30 years.

3985
05:59:38,760 --> 05:59:39,760
Something like that.

3986
05:59:39,880 --> 05:59:42,200
And I actually had a large role to play

3987
05:59:42,200 --> 05:59:44,620
and having him hired by a predecessor

3988
05:59:44,620 --> 05:59:47,760
because we needed to have somebody who could help us maximize

3989
05:59:48,180 --> 05:59:56,860
federal and state dollars and Dan was hired for that purpose. So if he doesn't know the answer, he will get it. So if you would allow him just to say.

3990
05:59:56,900 --> 05:59:59,980
No, Madam Commissioner, they information that you referenced and all of them.

3991
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:06,160
The information that was required in the legislation is in that ad on report 14B2.

3992
06:00:06,660 --> 06:00:18,660
Okay, well, I appreciate that. I just remember that when we fund things, like I've had, I've had CBOs say to me, if you don't fund me, then I will lose the matching funds from the federal grant that we have.

3993
06:00:19,080 --> 06:00:28,580
So those are important decisions to make because obviously we're able to maximize funding from other sources to be able to fund.

3994
06:00:28,580 --> 06:00:35,600
But I still look at a lot of this as what are the priorities that we want to be funding.

3995
06:00:35,780 --> 06:00:40,700
What areas is it vulnerable populations within that is it elderly and young children?

3996
06:00:41,200 --> 06:00:45,920
You know, I mean, for me to make a decision, it is very difficult based on what I have.

3997
06:00:45,920 --> 06:00:50,720
But I will look at that item and if I have any further requests, I will make sure to pass those on to you.

3998
06:00:50,920 --> 06:00:51,560
Thank you so much.

3999
06:00:51,900 --> 06:00:57,520
And if I could, when last point, Mr. Chair, we are going to meet with all of you shortly.

4000
06:00:57,520 --> 06:01:10,360
And within a few couple of weeks, three weeks, to go through in more detail, all the questions that have been raised at the various committees this past week, and make sure that you have all the information that you need to make informed choices.

4001
06:01:10,860 --> 06:01:11,660
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

4002
06:01:11,940 --> 06:01:17,680
Commissioner from District 8 on 2b5, and I'm going to go ahead and take up item 14b2 as well together, so.

4003
06:01:17,940 --> 06:01:18,620
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

4004
06:01:18,660 --> 06:01:21,200
And thank you to the commissioners that requested this report.

4005
06:01:21,200 --> 06:01:27,500
I believe it was Commissioner Orbus and Commissioner Garcia and Commissioner Gonzalez to allow us to see where these legacy CBOs

4006
06:01:27,500 --> 06:01:33,540
dollars are going and how they're being spent on to be five particularly there are a number

4007
06:01:33,540 --> 06:01:40,360
of CBOs that are color coded with both yellow and red indicating five or more instances of

4008
06:01:40,360 --> 06:01:46,060
non-compliance and or receiving a suspension that has since been resolved or any number of instances

4009
06:01:46,060 --> 06:01:52,140
of non-compliance that merit contract or payment suspension that are not resolved are those yellow

4010
06:01:52,140 --> 06:01:58,320
and red-coded CBOs included in the upcoming proposed budget.

4011
06:02:00,760 --> 06:02:01,360
You're recognized.

4012
06:02:01,900 --> 06:02:04,080
Thank you, Dan Wall, Office of Management and Budget.

4013
06:02:04,640 --> 06:02:14,020
Yes, Commissioner, the yellow-coded were had a number of findings that as per IO3-15

4014
06:02:14,020 --> 06:02:20,280
required a yellow rating, they have subsequently submitted a corrective action plan that have all been

4015
06:02:20,280 --> 06:02:29,220
clear. There were three with a red designation. One of them was able to successfully clear their

4016
06:02:29,220 --> 06:02:35,440
corrective action plan. One, the contract was terminated for lack of performance and the

4017
06:02:35,440 --> 06:02:42,520
third one, they declined the funding this year. And the current year monitoring, because this

4018
06:02:42,520 --> 06:02:48,280
is looking back a year, the current year monitoring is happening right now and I'm pleased to report

4019
06:02:48,280 --> 06:02:52,780
mark on wood, that we have no suspensions to date so far.

4020
06:02:53,400 --> 06:02:53,680
Thank you.

4021
06:02:53,860 --> 06:02:56,300
I'm glad that you're pleased to report that.

4022
06:02:57,400 --> 06:03:01,600
I, however, am looking at this report carefully for those that are non-compliant in any

4023
06:03:01,600 --> 06:03:04,180
ways, especially when funding is as tight as it is.

4024
06:03:04,340 --> 06:03:08,440
I find it fascinating that there would be any non-compliance much less instances higher than

4025
06:03:08,440 --> 06:03:09,300
five.

4026
06:03:09,820 --> 06:03:13,360
And so I'll be taking a close look at those as we move into our budget.

4027
06:03:13,360 --> 06:03:17,380
But thank you for the explanation regarding what we have included in our proposed new annual

4028
06:03:17,380 --> 06:03:21,240
budget moving forward. Nothing further, Mr. Chair.

4029
06:03:22,500 --> 06:03:25,800
Okay. Commissioner Orbus, then D7.

4030
06:03:26,080 --> 06:03:30,860
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm going to refer to two B5, the report card.

4031
06:03:31,760 --> 06:03:35,340
So in the memo, it doesn't specify what constitutes a violation.

4032
06:03:35,580 --> 06:03:38,200
So what constitutes a violation for these organizations?

4033
06:03:40,160 --> 06:03:43,920
And why is the threshold five? How is that decided?

4034
06:03:43,920 --> 06:03:52,020
that they are allowed to do five violations before they get action taken against the corrective

4035
06:03:52,020 --> 06:03:52,740
action.

4036
06:03:54,540 --> 06:04:04,100
So, to your first question, what constitutes a violation, they're not in compliance with one of the many terms and conditions in the contract.

4037
06:04:04,560 --> 06:04:08,220
It could be from the lack programmatic records.

4038
06:04:08,720 --> 06:04:11,180
They lack financial records.

4039
06:04:11,180 --> 06:04:19,900
Or it could be something small, like they failed to submit their coupe plan, a continuity of operations plan on an annual basis.

4040
06:04:20,140 --> 06:04:33,780
So it is any instance of noncompliance with the contract, and the numbers that were determined by the board are outlined in AO3-15.

4041
06:04:34,880 --> 06:04:42,980
okay and is it per fiscal year as the the violations are they? Is it could be

4042
06:04:42,980 --> 06:04:47,800
five violations in a year or is it every time they apply how how do you keep

4043
06:04:47,800 --> 06:04:52,420
track of that? It's an annual monitoring and then they submit a corrective

4044
06:04:52,420 --> 06:04:57,680
action plan and they either clear that or not and then next year we go out with

4045
06:04:57,680 --> 06:04:59,620
fresh set of eyes and we look again.

4046
06:05:00,000 --> 06:05:25,700
And it could be anywhere from zero to one. And to the commissioner Cohen Higgins point also, a lot of the, some of these organizations are smaller CBOs that lack capacity. So there is a lot of work that goes on with a separate team working in conjunction with their contracts officer to provide capacity building technical assistance on an ongoing basis.

4047
06:05:25,700 --> 06:05:33,020
But what's the corrective action is complying with what they were missing? Is it submitting paperwork?

4048
06:05:33,200 --> 06:05:34,300
What is the corrective action?

4049
06:05:34,440 --> 06:05:39,080
It could be all of those things. You didn't do this, explain why,

4050
06:05:39,280 --> 06:05:43,240
give us your plan for correction and by winner you're going to do it.

4051
06:05:43,540 --> 06:05:47,960
Or you failed to provide me this document, provide the document now.

4052
06:05:48,340 --> 06:05:49,760
It's a combination of those things.

4053
06:05:49,840 --> 06:05:55,680
Is there a certain misertiary if I may continue? Is there a certain point where you

4054
06:05:55,680 --> 06:06:01,340
say this organization has not complied, we are no longer going to recommend funding for them

4055
06:06:01,340 --> 06:06:06,200
or do they just, are they continue to allow, are they allowed to continue having violations

4056
06:06:06,200 --> 06:06:09,860
and correcting them over and over and continue receiving funding from the county?

4057
06:06:10,980 --> 06:06:16,400
The answer to your question, I think the way you asked it was, no, they're not allowed to just

4058
06:06:16,400 --> 06:06:21,020
continue on it, you know. So is it like three strikes or out? How is it?

4059
06:06:21,020 --> 06:06:29,020
We identify, we submit a monitoring report to them, we give them an opportunity to submit a corrective action plan.

4060
06:06:29,240 --> 06:06:36,520
We review that, we may negotiate back and forth with them on that, we may say it's not sufficient, need to provide more documentation.

4061
06:06:37,180 --> 06:06:47,660
But no, as indicated previously, one of the three red was not able to submit a corrective action plan, and so we terminated the agreement for lack of performance.

4062
06:06:47,660 --> 06:06:53,120
and that was based on that one year, looking back at that agency, they had a track record of

4063
06:06:53,120 --> 06:06:58,420
difficulty leading up to that. But it was technically within that one year. And another way

4064
06:06:58,420 --> 06:07:06,700
of doing it is we will not execute a current year contract until they have submitted that corrective

4065
06:07:06,700 --> 06:07:12,900
action plan for the prior year and it has been approved by the county. Okay, so that

4066
06:07:12,900 --> 06:07:17,780
But continuing the example of that organization, I don't know which one it is, but would

4067
06:07:17,780 --> 06:07:23,940
they be allowed to reapply in the next fiscal year or are they done receiving, do

4068
06:07:23,940 --> 06:07:25,280
they have to start over, how does it work?

4069
06:07:25,380 --> 06:07:29,500
If there was a new solicitation, they would be eligible to apply.

4070
06:07:29,760 --> 06:07:32,740
They would have to speak to their track record in their proposal.

4071
06:07:33,360 --> 06:07:36,840
But if it's continuation funding, we will not continue.

4072
06:07:36,980 --> 06:07:41,740
Even if the board has them on the list, because at the time the list is generated, they may

4073
06:07:41,740 --> 06:07:47,040
working through a corrective action plan. If they do not successfully clear that corrective

4074
06:07:47,040 --> 06:07:51,120
action plan with the county, we would not execute the subsequent year agreement.

4075
06:07:52,200 --> 06:07:56,720
Okay, so I think it would be helpful as Commissioner Lopez said and I think Commissioner

4076
06:07:56,720 --> 06:08:02,500
Cohen Higgins said to have some of that information as we go into the budget season to have

4077
06:08:02,500 --> 06:08:11,620
that included in the report or in the information that we are considering looking at these

4078
06:08:12,380 --> 06:08:17,220
And look, I appreciate what we were provided.

4079
06:08:17,780 --> 06:08:21,580
I just have two recommendations very similar to what other folks are mentioning.

4080
06:08:23,180 --> 06:08:27,380
First, I think we should have a distinction for non-compliance.

4081
06:08:27,860 --> 06:08:36,920
So if it's non-compliance for not providing financials, that's very different from non-compliance for not sending a form or sending a form lead.

4082
06:08:36,920 --> 06:08:47,300
So, I would appreciate if we broke the non-compliance into ministerial and actionable because that would give us a little bit more information.

4083
06:08:47,720 --> 06:08:58,600
A more concern with a non-profit that is not providing financial information or programming information or attendance information than someone who sends a document in late.

4084
06:08:59,040 --> 06:09:06,800
And to your point, some of them, their new to this, some have been doing this for a long time, some have staff, some don't.

4085
06:09:06,800 --> 06:09:12,640
So I think we need to break down the noncompliance. I like the yellow and the red. I think that that that works

4086
06:09:12,640 --> 06:09:18,800
But within the noncompliance. I would like like a type A and a type B form of noncompliance. Number two

4087
06:09:20,040 --> 06:09:20,920
I think

4088
06:09:21,520 --> 06:09:21,960
I

4089
06:09:21,960 --> 06:09:28,220
I understand that it's annual, but one of the things we try to get people to understand here is it's okay to make a mistake

4090
06:09:28,220 --> 06:09:33,780
Just don't make the same mistake over and over again. So if someone is making the same mistake over and over again

4091
06:09:33,780 --> 06:09:34,980
I would like to know

4092
06:09:35,840 --> 06:09:49,920
And so while you're providing us with annual information, I think it would be beneficial for the board to see in an exhibit five years back and flag anyone that has committed the same mistake.

4093
06:09:50,420 --> 06:09:53,140
Again, okay with new mistakes, but it's the same mistake.

4094
06:09:53,140 --> 06:09:59,980
So if you have not submitted your financials in a timely fashion for two or three years.

4095
06:10:00,000 --> 06:10:07,760
For three years, I think that's important, even if that got you a yellow, because that shows a much bigger issue

4096
06:10:07,760 --> 06:10:15,300
that I think the board needs to consider when providing funding. So those would be my two recommendations. Thank you.

4097
06:10:15,520 --> 06:10:17,640
All right. Vice Chairman.

4098
06:10:18,900 --> 06:10:24,420
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you, Mr. Wall, for everything you've done and continue doing the great work you do.

4099
06:10:24,420 --> 06:10:28,720
Just a quick question as it relates to the report.

4100
06:10:31,100 --> 06:10:37,240
What does it mean in terms of the color coding that we're seeing here?

4101
06:10:37,500 --> 06:10:48,140
Are we saying that many of the legacy CBOs that you engaged with are in compliance, not compliance, or is there a mixture?

4102
06:10:49,160 --> 06:10:50,080
It's a mixture.

4103
06:10:50,560 --> 06:10:53,740
Green would say that they are in good standing.

4104
06:10:53,740 --> 06:11:06,100
Yellow means that there were a number of findings that as per A03-15 required a possible suspension

4105
06:11:06,100 --> 06:11:12,680
or hold placed on their payments until they resolved their corrective action plan.

4106
06:11:13,460 --> 06:11:20,680
And red were, you know, serious violations where the suspension was never resolved, although

4107
06:11:20,680 --> 06:11:32,980
as I was so in this report card, you had 117 organizations of which 114 received, I'm sorry,

4108
06:11:34,040 --> 06:11:42,500
104 received a green rating, 104 out of 117, 19 were yellow and three were red.

4109
06:11:43,100 --> 06:11:49,760
And of the three, since the time this report was issued, one has resolved it and has converted

4110
06:11:49,760 --> 06:11:55,500
from red to yellow, one has the contract has been terminated and one declined the funding.

4111
06:11:57,020 --> 06:12:02,680
And thank you so much. So I asked that question because

4112
06:12:10,520 --> 06:12:13,020
can we lower down the background?

4113
06:12:13,460 --> 06:12:21,580
Thank you. I asked that question because in reviewing this memo, it's almost as if this is a vindication

4114
06:12:21,580 --> 06:12:29,060
for the CBOs, who were pretty much tarnished with the perception that CBOs are taking

4115
06:12:29,060 --> 06:12:34,500
monies and are not being in compliance with the county's requirements, but it's also

4116
06:12:34,500 --> 06:12:41,180
a great indicator that not only should we continue the funding and continue watching over

4117
06:12:41,180 --> 06:12:46,880
these CBOs to ensure that they do the right thing, but it's also the very reason why I stated

4118
06:12:46,880 --> 06:12:55,320
before and I'll say it again, that CBOs and Miami-Dade County should have their own trust

4119
06:12:55,320 --> 06:13:01,640
fund, that would allow for them to receive funding, that they don't have to compete with

4120
06:13:01,640 --> 06:13:05,240
other buckets and pots of money within Miami-Dade County.

4121
06:13:06,360 --> 06:13:16,360
When this proposal was first made, I thought to get clarification because of the rumour meal

4122
06:13:16,360 --> 06:13:26,810
that was consuming the air, that CBOs in Miami-Dade County didn't deserve the money, or they

4123
06:13:26,810 --> 06:13:30,910
should go out and raise their own fund, or they should put themselves up by their own bootstraps.

4124
06:13:31,550 --> 06:13:37,690
But this is this very memo right here in my humble opinion, is a form of vindication that should

4125
06:13:37,690 --> 06:13:43,830
say to the CBOs, not only have you been vindicated by the county's research, not only have you been

4126
06:13:43,830 --> 06:13:47,770
indicated by the counties in debt research, but you've been

4127
06:13:47,770 --> 06:13:52,590
vindicated because you've been doing the right thing. And I am going

4128
06:13:52,590 --> 06:13:58,610
to continuously push. And I hope that one day, this item becomes part

4129
06:13:58,610 --> 06:14:03,630
of the law in Miami, the county. That CBO should be allowed to have

4130
06:14:03,630 --> 06:14:08,510
its own trust fund to find it. And I think this is a great starting

4131
06:14:08,510 --> 06:14:12,550
point, so we can have that discussion. And thirdly, let me just

4132
06:14:12,550 --> 06:14:16,570
publicly say to the mayor. I've said it before and I'll say it again.

4133
06:14:18,980 --> 06:14:19,260
She has

4134
06:14:19,260 --> 06:14:24,500
been one of the greatest advocates for CBOs. And I thank you for hearing

4135
06:14:24,500 --> 06:14:30,260
us and ensuring that part of the budget that they are restored and what

4136
06:14:30,260 --> 06:14:35,420
you did and I can tell you about the meetings we've had with the CBOs, there

4137
06:14:35,420 --> 06:14:41,580
are truly thankful to you and for you for doing this. But at the same time I

4138
06:14:41,580 --> 06:14:47,400
also understand that when the CBOs lack a clear line,

4139
06:14:50,020 --> 06:14:51,900
as it relates to receiving funding,

4140
06:14:52,920 --> 06:14:58,980
it creates havoc with not only their funders, but whether or not they're going to be

4141
06:14:58,980 --> 06:14:59,980
able to carry forth.

4142
06:15:00,210 --> 06:15:21,250
The programs that they are doing now into the near future. So I'll say this report did and said exactly what I figured it would say that these CBOs are doing well. These legacy CBOs. And lastly, I do not believe that this particular point farm share should be included into the legacy CBOs.

4143
06:15:21,250 --> 06:15:26,890
I think farm shares should be a separate item that allow for us to fund it like we fund

4144
06:15:26,890 --> 06:15:30,610
other items separately, where they don't have to compete for funding.

4145
06:15:31,330 --> 06:15:37,890
I can never understand why we are asking an organization like Farm Share that feeds the

4146
06:15:37,890 --> 06:15:41,170
majority of the people who are struggling to survive in Miami-Days County.

4147
06:15:41,650 --> 06:15:45,430
We're actually pitting them up against other CBOs for funding.

4148
06:15:45,430 --> 06:15:55,670
If we're going to fund and take care of the people who are least lost and sometimes left out because of policy, not because of their own beliefs, but because of policy.

4149
06:15:56,450 --> 06:16:02,810
We should at least identify the fact that farm shares should not be competing for funding.

4150
06:16:03,830 --> 06:16:05,690
Farm shares should be a source of income.

4151
06:16:05,690 --> 06:16:12,570
have a source of income that will always be there each and every year so they know exactly how many more

4152
06:16:12,570 --> 06:16:18,310
people they would need to feed in order to make those people hold again as relates to their ability

4153
06:16:18,310 --> 06:16:23,010
to provide a quality of life for themselves. So publicly, Mr. Wall, I wanted publicly to say again,

4154
06:16:23,610 --> 06:16:29,070
thank you. You've always been there every time I call, your work is impeccable and I just hope

4155
06:16:29,070 --> 06:16:35,210
this becomes the foundational point when discussions are going to be had that really goes to the

4156
06:16:35,210 --> 06:16:38,130
the quality of life questioning for people in our community.

4157
06:16:38,750 --> 06:16:39,410
That's it.

4158
06:16:40,910 --> 06:16:43,770
All right, so we've got Commissioner Vermuters.

4159
06:16:44,030 --> 06:16:45,910
I'm just gonna, I would like to make sure

4160
06:16:45,910 --> 06:16:48,930
that I agree with Commissioner Lopez a thousand percent,

4161
06:16:49,330 --> 06:16:52,750
and I believe that we need those numbers.

4162
06:16:52,930 --> 06:16:55,130
So I hope that whatever you give her

4163
06:16:55,130 --> 06:16:58,230
and give Commissioner Orvisor the committee

4164
06:16:58,230 --> 06:16:59,710
that you also provided,

4165
06:16:59,910 --> 06:17:02,090
because I don't have a problem with CBOs.

4166
06:17:02,230 --> 06:17:04,310
I do think that we have a whole department

4167
06:17:04,310 --> 06:17:09,930
dedicated to them was just amazing to me, but the bottom line is you do have to monitor them,

4168
06:17:09,930 --> 06:17:13,110
make sure that they're doing what they're supposed to do, and I do believe that they should

4169
06:17:13,110 --> 06:17:17,830
have, as Commissioner Lopez said, we got to see if they're getting federal, state grants,

4170
06:17:18,010 --> 06:17:18,890
where is their money coming from?

4171
06:17:18,890 --> 06:17:22,870
And I think there are good CBOs, there are bad CBOs, like there's good people and bad people,

4172
06:17:23,430 --> 06:17:23,850
and everything.

4173
06:17:23,930 --> 06:17:30,510
And I think we have an obligation to look at that annually actually, and I would just like

4174
06:17:30,510 --> 06:17:36,750
Whatever numbers you provide to Commissioner Lopez, if you could, and to Commissioner Orbus, please provide it to the rest of us.

4175
06:17:36,890 --> 06:17:42,490
Through the chair, the report that we're referencing is agenda item number 14 B2.

4176
06:17:42,670 --> 06:17:45,310
And so again, we did provide that information.

4177
06:17:45,510 --> 06:17:49,190
It's about 60 pages. So we're happy to supplement an augment.

4178
06:17:49,310 --> 06:17:53,630
We're taking copious notes of all the recommendations and suggestions. Thank you.

4179
06:17:54,050 --> 06:17:59,110
All right. So I'm entertaining a motion now on 2 B5 and 14 B2.

4180
06:17:59,110 --> 06:18:01,490
It's been moved by the Vice Chair, seconded by Commissioner Lopez.

4181
06:18:02,110 --> 06:18:11,710
On February 16th, 5 by Sayonai, all opposed nay, show to be 5 and 14, be to pass.

4182
06:18:12,810 --> 06:18:12,830
All right.

4183
06:18:12,850 --> 06:18:17,850
I'm going to take up Item 8k1, I'm the pulling commissioner for a floor amendment.

4184
06:18:18,710 --> 06:18:22,490
If the county attorney's can read it, that's 8k1.

4185
06:18:32,180 --> 06:18:41,940
Chairman Rodriguez moves to item 8k1, on page MDC-031 in Exhibit C, reduced from 373,430

4186
06:18:41,940 --> 06:18:47,120
dollars to 300,000, the recommended amount of recaptured community development block grant

4187
06:18:47,120 --> 06:18:51,080
commission district funds from district 10. From Miami-Dade County Housing and Community

4188
06:18:51,080 --> 06:18:57,180
Development for economic development activities. On page MDC-035 in Exhibit D, reduced from

4189
06:18:57,180 --> 06:19:00,860
$7,330 to $300,000.

4190
06:19:01,020 --> 06:19:02,880
The recommended amount of reallocated communities

4191
06:19:02,880 --> 06:19:05,660
of element block grant commission district funds from District 10.

4192
06:19:06,160 --> 06:19:08,240
From Miami Died County Community Services Department

4193
06:19:08,240 --> 06:19:10,700
for the District 10, housing, beautification

4194
06:19:10,700 --> 06:19:12,340
and rehabilitation program.

4195
06:19:13,080 --> 06:19:16,060
On page MDC025 in Exhibit A,

4196
06:19:16,780 --> 06:19:21,480
remove the recommendation to award 126,570 dollars

4197
06:19:21,480 --> 06:19:24,200
of community development block grant commission district

4198
06:19:24,200 --> 06:19:27,060
funds from District 10 to Miami Died County Community

4199
06:19:27,060 --> 06:19:31,420
services department for housing beautification and rehabilitation services in district 10.

4200
06:19:31,900 --> 06:19:39,420
On page mdc-018 and exhibit a increase from 488,000 to 508,000 the funding recommendation

4201
06:19:39,420 --> 06:19:42,600
for my immediate county housing community development public service.

4202
06:19:43,320 --> 06:19:53,100
On page mdc-018 and exhibit a increase from 171,990 to 198,501 dollars the funding recommendation

4203
06:19:53,100 --> 06:19:57,520
for Miami-D County Housing and Community Development, Economic Development, Housing, Public

4204
06:19:57,520 --> 06:19:59,280
Facilities, and Capital Improvements.

4205
06:20:03,220 --> 06:20:12,360
All right. All right. All to take a motion on that on May be half. The Vice Chair moves it. Seconded by Commissioner Gonzalez on favor signify by say aye.

4206
06:20:13,320 --> 06:20:16,040
All opposed nay. All right.

4207
06:20:18,700 --> 06:20:25,000
Next up, I got, I got, eating commissioners. So I'm going to skip one.

4208
06:20:25,000 --> 06:20:39,260
I'm going to skip, let's go to 2b8, 2b8, commissioner from district 5, are you here?

4209
06:20:39,840 --> 06:20:43,100
Okay, all right, no, commissioner from district 8 is not here, okay.

4210
06:20:44,060 --> 06:20:45,920
So, I can take mine, which one you have?

4211
06:20:46,020 --> 06:20:47,780
You want to take, okay, let's take up 2b6.

4212
06:20:51,940 --> 06:20:53,020
I'm here, commissioner.

4213
06:20:54,080 --> 06:20:55,780
To be six, it's really quick.

4214
06:20:56,300 --> 06:21:00,600
We talked about this at Transit Committee, so I just wanted to mention it again.

4215
06:21:00,620 --> 06:21:05,980
I appreciate the report on the electric buses, but I really think that we need an update

4216
06:21:05,980 --> 06:21:09,640
of what's happening with the litigation and the bankruptcy and all of that.

4217
06:21:09,700 --> 06:21:11,560
We have a discussion item on that too, so we could.

4218
06:21:12,340 --> 06:21:13,360
So, happy to move it.

4219
06:21:13,480 --> 06:21:13,640
Okay.

4220
06:21:13,640 --> 06:21:15,080
It's been moved by Commissioner Regalado.

4221
06:21:15,840 --> 06:21:19,520
Seconded by the Vice Chair, Alan Faber signify by say aye.

4222
06:21:19,520 --> 06:21:26,640
I'll oppose nay, short pass, to be 10, commissioner from District 7.

4223
06:21:29,370 --> 06:21:32,330
To be 10, I appreciate the report.

4224
06:21:32,850 --> 06:21:37,490
The only thing that I think we should consider when we do this report is also evaluating

4225
06:21:37,490 --> 06:21:38,670
our lobbyists.

4226
06:21:38,950 --> 06:21:44,230
We changed the way that we hired our lobbyists this last time around and there were a lot

4227
06:21:44,230 --> 06:21:48,610
of expectations and I know that it was a difficult session, but we've had two difficult

4228
06:21:49,710 --> 06:22:05,610
So I think moving forward we should have like a post-mortem and really look at, you know, how how people did so that we can use that to inform our decisions when we choose our lobbying team for the for the next year.

4229
06:22:06,610 --> 06:22:07,610
Happy to move it.

4230
06:22:07,610 --> 06:22:14,070
All right, it's been moved to be 10 has been moved by Commissioner Gallardo's seconded by the vice chair.

4231
06:22:14,390 --> 06:22:16,430
All in favour, signify by say an aye.

4232
06:22:17,150 --> 06:22:17,770
All opposed nay.

4233
06:22:18,530 --> 06:22:19,150
Show a past.

4234
06:22:19,470 --> 06:22:23,350
To be eight, commissioner from district five, you're recognized followed by commissioner from district eight.

4235
06:22:23,550 --> 06:22:25,230
Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman.

4236
06:22:25,390 --> 06:22:26,670
So I had a quick question.

4237
06:22:27,070 --> 06:22:33,190
I noted that we have 525 million in outstanding county debt as of last year.

4238
06:22:33,190 --> 06:22:38,210
So my question is, a couple of things and if you don't have it, you can certainly get it to me.

4239
06:22:38,250 --> 06:22:40,250
But how long has this debt been outstanding?

4240
06:22:40,850 --> 06:22:42,530
It's almost a half a billion dollars.

4241
06:22:44,710 --> 06:22:47,810
Through the chair, our director of internal compliance.

4242
06:22:48,670 --> 06:22:49,270
Thank you, director.

4243
06:22:50,050 --> 06:22:52,350
Hi, I'm Felia Tamayo, director of internal compliance.

4244
06:22:52,950 --> 06:22:55,330
The current collection division falls under me.

4245
06:22:56,190 --> 06:23:02,870
Actually, the county with the current collection team, we collect accounts that are older than four years old,

4246
06:23:02,870 --> 06:23:10,230
usually and up to probably 30 years old. So it's a very long outstanding debt that we collect

4247
06:23:10,230 --> 06:23:13,670
on behalf of not just county departments but also Jackson Health System.

4248
06:23:14,570 --> 06:23:22,010
Okay, so as a follow-up question. So I know that Commissioner Cohen Higgins, we passed

4249
06:23:22,010 --> 06:23:29,230
a resolution to see if a third party could do better than we're doing. And I noted that

4250
06:23:29,230 --> 06:23:34,870
said that only 8% you thought were eligible for sale to third-party collection agencies, and

4251
06:23:34,870 --> 06:23:40,250
then you went on to say that this was based on legal risks, data validation, challenges,

4252
06:23:40,450 --> 06:23:42,630
and impacts to constituent services.

4253
06:23:43,470 --> 06:23:49,430
I don't understand that only because there's lots of doctors' offices that have lots of

4254
06:23:49,430 --> 06:23:55,770
confidential information that always send their receivables out to a third-party, so can

4255
06:23:55,770 --> 06:24:01,210
expand is to why only eight percent could be sent to a third party for collection.

4256
06:24:01,770 --> 06:24:06,250
Great question. So this report, the way it was directed to the administration,

4257
06:24:06,610 --> 06:24:10,490
was to not include Jackson Health. So this report, this balance,

4258
06:24:10,730 --> 06:24:16,870
does not include the physicians or the hospital bills. This balance is for county departments.

4259
06:24:17,950 --> 06:24:22,930
And so with the county departments, there is compliance. It's not just a collection that we do.

4260
06:24:22,930 --> 06:24:29,930
We were closely with the county departments that had to affect rate compliance along with this outstanding amounts.

4261
06:24:29,930 --> 06:24:35,190
The wait. So the 525 million includes Jackson or does not include just not.

4262
06:24:35,590 --> 06:24:39,770
What is, do you have what Jackson's debt is? What is that?

4263
06:24:39,890 --> 06:24:40,570
About two billion.

4264
06:24:40,970 --> 06:24:41,550
Two billion?

4265
06:24:42,530 --> 06:24:43,230
Mm-hmm.

4266
06:24:44,370 --> 06:24:50,990
So you can, you can imagine why I'm, I'm somewhat stunned by these numbers,

4267
06:24:50,990 --> 06:24:55,450
especially when we are struggling to find revenue streams.

4268
06:24:56,370 --> 06:24:59,970
So what is Jackson doing to collect it?

4269
06:25:01,420 --> 06:25:20,480
So we are in close contact with Jackson, and we're actually the tertiary collector. So they have an in-house collector. They also have another set of outside collectors, along with us as a tertiary collectors for them. So they do have some efforts to collect their own debt.

4270
06:25:20,480 --> 06:25:25,840
So, at what point does do we write off that debt?

4271
06:25:26,000 --> 06:25:28,500
I mean, you're telling me that four to 30 years.

4272
06:25:28,640 --> 06:25:30,960
I mean, at some juncture, from an accounting standpoint,

4273
06:25:31,440 --> 06:25:33,580
I'm an accountant by trading and by trade,

4274
06:25:34,080 --> 06:25:35,740
I don't understand any of this.

4275
06:25:36,300 --> 06:25:38,040
So, we're actually in conversation with them,

4276
06:25:38,040 --> 06:25:40,120
because there's a statute that has been passed,

4277
06:25:40,620 --> 06:25:43,780
which may limit us collecting up to three years.

4278
06:25:44,300 --> 06:25:47,000
So, we are working with them on that to understand that better.

4279
06:25:47,000 --> 06:25:54,220
So they may have, they do, we call back accounts very often from us when they're not deemed

4280
06:25:54,220 --> 06:25:55,060
collectible.

4281
06:25:55,260 --> 06:25:56,480
So we work closely with them.

4282
06:25:56,620 --> 06:26:03,660
So can you provide me with the amounts that are four years, five years, I mean, an

4283
06:26:03,660 --> 06:26:06,620
aging of these, we can, we can't provide that to you.

4284
06:26:06,620 --> 06:26:10,460
Yes, I can separate them out between Jackson and what's county departments, absolutely.

4285
06:26:10,660 --> 06:26:13,180
We can, I would urge my colleagues to direct them out.

4286
06:26:13,180 --> 06:26:16,980
My moment commissioner, please, can we just have silence while the commissioner speaking

4287
06:26:20,560 --> 06:26:21,440
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

4288
06:26:21,440 --> 06:26:22,000
Sorry about that.

4289
06:26:22,220 --> 06:26:22,920
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

4290
06:26:23,600 --> 06:26:26,780
I just, I think these are very large numbers.

4291
06:26:28,000 --> 06:26:32,360
Clearly, two billion from Jackson, half a billion for the county departments.

4292
06:26:32,860 --> 06:26:36,980
At some juncture, we either have to collect this, or we have to write it off.

4293
06:26:38,160 --> 06:26:43,560
But we can't continue to carry this kind of huge, bad, I mean, collectables.

4294
06:26:44,140 --> 06:26:46,340
They're either receivables or they're not receivables.

4295
06:26:46,340 --> 06:26:51,860
at which point I don't even know anymore but I will once I get the aging. So thank you so much, Mr. Chairman.

4296
06:26:52,660 --> 06:26:56,700
Thank you, commissioner. Are there any commissioners?

4297
06:26:56,840 --> 06:27:01,480
Thank you, Mr. Vice Chair. And thank you commissioner Lopez for your line of questioning.

4298
06:27:01,880 --> 06:27:06,660
When these numbers were first brought to my attention when I asked for this report some time ago.

4299
06:27:06,720 --> 06:27:10,340
I don't remember the date that the report passed, but it was quite some time ago.

4300
06:27:10,340 --> 06:27:16,860
I too was stunned by your numbers, and I want to be clear, Madam Director Jackson was excluded

4301
06:27:16,860 --> 06:27:21,360
because you all advised me that Jackson essentially needed to be excluded.

4302
06:27:21,560 --> 06:27:25,560
That you all were the absolute final stop for Jackson, and that for whatever the reason,

4303
06:27:26,180 --> 06:27:30,860
selling Jackson's debt was not something that was feasible at all for you all to do.

4304
06:27:31,440 --> 06:27:36,600
So to be clear, something I directed you all to exclude Jackson's debt, you all told me that Jackson

4305
06:27:36,600 --> 06:27:42,640
had to be excluded and so just to clarify regarding the line of questioning with Commissioner

4306
06:27:42,640 --> 06:27:48,940
Lopez. And so let's remove the $2 billion not saying that we should, but assuming that

4307
06:27:48,940 --> 06:27:52,800
the guidance that I was given is accurate and there's tons of supporting information as to why

4308
06:27:52,800 --> 06:28:00,060
we would need to exclude the $2 billion. We saw a $500 million that is owed to Miami-Date County.

4309
06:28:00,080 --> 06:28:05,420
And this report says, as you already articulated Commissioner Lopez, that only as fractional percentage

4310
06:28:05,420 --> 06:28:12,500
is somehow valid or viable to be sold to a third party.

4311
06:28:12,620 --> 06:28:17,920
Now, I know it's been a long time since we have engaged with or solicited or entertained

4312
06:28:17,920 --> 06:28:23,400
the idea of utilizing a third-party service, but it's also been a long time since we've been

4313
06:28:23,400 --> 06:28:25,960
in the financial position that we are in here in Miami-Tee County.

4314
06:28:26,400 --> 06:28:33,980
And if you represent in this report that $40 million is viable or legit to potentially be sold

4315
06:28:33,980 --> 06:28:35,500
on the third market, I'll take it.

4316
06:28:35,640 --> 06:28:36,800
Like let's start there.

4317
06:28:37,140 --> 06:28:40,780
If we can sell 40 million dollars of old age debt

4318
06:28:40,780 --> 06:28:43,700
for 10 or 20 million dollars, I'll take it.

4319
06:28:44,000 --> 06:28:45,700
Like I will take it.

4320
06:28:45,700 --> 06:28:48,760
And so I would like and to the attorneys

4321
06:28:48,760 --> 06:28:51,420
and assuming obviously I want to hear from my colleagues

4322
06:28:51,420 --> 06:28:53,540
and hear if they're supportive of this,

4323
06:28:53,620 --> 06:28:55,300
this is simply a report.

4324
06:28:55,520 --> 06:28:58,360
You all do not take the next step to actually go out

4325
06:28:58,360 --> 06:29:01,040
and find a third party to try and sell

4326
06:29:01,040 --> 06:29:02,900
that very tiny fractional percentage

4327
06:29:02,900 --> 06:29:07,540
that you all represent is only the debt that we can sell, but I want you to take it as a further.

4328
06:29:08,140 --> 06:29:14,360
We need the money. And so, what do I need to do? Assuming the support of my colleagues to actually

4329
06:29:14,360 --> 06:29:20,080
trigger you all going out and making the effort to sell that debt. And again, we're just talking

4330
06:29:20,080 --> 06:29:26,820
about a universe of $40 million. So just some clarification, while there was $41 million in the market,

4331
06:29:26,960 --> 06:29:32,780
our understanding is that the return is a penny to five cents on that dollar. So the

4332
06:29:32,780 --> 06:29:39,680
To turn in the market could be around $410,000 to $2 million for that $41 million.

4333
06:29:40,460 --> 06:29:45,500
The county with our collectors that we have in house, I'll give you an example to date

4334
06:29:45,500 --> 06:29:48,180
we've collected about $21 million gross.

4335
06:29:49,360 --> 06:29:54,920
That represents the referred amount to us from the departments and I just want to clarify

4336
06:29:54,920 --> 06:29:56,820
those are not our receivables.

4337
06:29:57,220 --> 06:29:59,980
It is the department's right, it started as a department.

4338
06:30:00,000 --> 06:30:06,920
We don't carry receivables for my department, so it's on behalf of someone else. So I'll just give you an example.

4339
06:30:07,480 --> 06:30:15,180
So today we've collected $21 million of gross. We distribute 70% of the money directly back to departments in Jackson.

4340
06:30:15,860 --> 06:30:26,040
The original amount was about 42 million. So that represents that we're collecting about 51% of this money. That's been outstanding.

4341
06:30:26,040 --> 06:30:32,300
So that is why we caution, instead of selling it to a third party, we believe that our

4342
06:30:32,300 --> 06:30:39,260
department could do much better, and we can also provide the direct service to our constituents

4343
06:30:39,800 --> 06:30:43,680
instead of a third party going and trying to collect this money from the residents.

4344
06:30:44,380 --> 06:30:51,100
The other factor for the departments in the county is that it is not just collecting money,

4345
06:30:51,100 --> 06:30:59,220
It is also making sure that they are in compliance with whatever it is that initiated a fee or a code compliance

4346
06:30:59,220 --> 06:31:03,000
that was issued to the resident or the business.

4347
06:31:03,740 --> 06:31:07,600
So, thank you for that explanation, but I am perplexed.

4348
06:31:07,700 --> 06:31:14,480
You're representing that your department has a 50% collection rate of all debts that you all collect for.

4349
06:31:14,480 --> 06:31:29,880
50, there's apartments on the Jackson as a collective as an amount and I'm just referring to this fiscal year, what we've done today for, but you're collecting 20 million dollars, not on 40 million dollars of debt, you're collecting 20 million dollars on what aggregate number.

4350
06:31:30,440 --> 06:31:37,640
That is that represents about 41 million so as the accounts command they get referred to our collectors and our collectors handle them just like files on a desk.

4351
06:31:37,940 --> 06:31:39,740
That is what we do internally.

4352
06:31:39,740 --> 06:31:43,660
So then what is the number of the $2 billion and the $500 million?

4353
06:31:43,720 --> 06:31:47,380
What is it that you're collecting on the $2 billion and the $500 million?

4354
06:31:47,600 --> 06:31:49,560
That is all collected, right?

4355
06:31:49,680 --> 06:31:53,800
That all those files are brought into our system that we manage in house,

4356
06:31:53,880 --> 06:31:58,160
and then we allocate these collectible amounts to our collectors,

4357
06:31:58,280 --> 06:32:00,120
and that's what they do on a daily basis.

4358
06:32:00,700 --> 06:32:02,320
They reach out, we also send letters.

4359
06:32:02,860 --> 06:32:06,660
No, yeah, so this is not particularly complex at all.

4360
06:32:06,660 --> 06:32:10,340
And so you've represented that your collection rate is at 50%

4361
06:32:10,340 --> 06:32:13,040
and that you've collected $21 million today.

4362
06:32:13,600 --> 06:32:16,720
What's being eliminated is the other very important number.

4363
06:32:17,120 --> 06:32:18,920
I'm just trying to get what that number is.

4364
06:32:19,200 --> 06:32:20,860
You've represented that there's two billion

4365
06:32:20,860 --> 06:32:24,720
in outstanding debt service for Jackson alone

4366
06:32:24,720 --> 06:32:26,720
in 500 million countywide.

4367
06:32:27,100 --> 06:32:29,800
I don't understand how you represent the $21 million

4368
06:32:29,800 --> 06:32:31,280
is a 50% collection rate.

4369
06:32:31,420 --> 06:32:32,520
That's what I'm just trying to understand.

4370
06:32:33,360 --> 06:32:34,900
The math is not mathing.

4371
06:32:34,900 --> 06:32:38,980
Okay, let me try to explain it a different way.

4372
06:32:39,480 --> 06:32:42,360
So we are, let's say we get referred on a daily basis

4373
06:32:42,360 --> 06:32:43,820
of 1,000 accounts, right?

4374
06:32:43,820 --> 06:32:46,060
So on a daily basis, we get 1,000 accounts

4375
06:32:46,060 --> 06:32:47,860
within a amount attached to it.

4376
06:32:48,160 --> 06:32:50,980
So those accounts come into our system that we hold in house

4377
06:32:50,980 --> 06:32:53,440
and then we allocate it to our collectors

4378
06:32:54,540 --> 06:32:55,900
as files, right?

4379
06:32:55,960 --> 06:32:57,220
These are what you have to collect.

4380
06:32:58,460 --> 06:33:01,620
So they go through their files, right, on their system.

4381
06:33:01,920 --> 06:33:04,520
They could have, I don't know, 5,000 files at a time.

4382
06:33:04,520 --> 06:33:06,700
and then they act on those collections.

4383
06:33:07,260 --> 06:33:09,040
But our inventory, right?

4384
06:33:09,540 --> 06:33:12,120
Our inventory is that big balance that you see.

4385
06:33:12,560 --> 06:33:14,120
And so we're actively trying to collect

4386
06:33:14,120 --> 06:33:17,580
on that inventory that is sitting in our system.

4387
06:33:18,660 --> 06:33:20,100
So it's in the aggregate.

4388
06:33:23,780 --> 06:33:24,980
So here's the thing.

4389
06:33:25,080 --> 06:33:27,540
I'm going to yield floor to my colleagues.

4390
06:33:27,620 --> 06:33:29,220
I know that the Vice Chairman has the Gable.

4391
06:33:29,700 --> 06:33:30,920
I'm going to yield the floor to my colleagues

4392
06:33:30,920 --> 06:33:34,340
because I see a lot of, and so I'm going to yield the floor.

4393
06:33:34,340 --> 06:33:38,740
But I'm not entirely sure that the question that I asked has been answered.

4394
06:33:39,500 --> 06:33:44,880
And again, I think my goal has been crystal clear on this for the six and a half seven

4395
06:33:44,880 --> 06:33:51,520
eight nine months that we've been working on this. And I hope my colleague sentiment is similar.

4396
06:33:51,520 --> 06:33:58,560
If we as an entity, we say all the time, the mayor is the CEO of a $17 billion corporation.

4397
06:33:58,560 --> 06:34:03,980
We use that analogy frequently. If we have this much debt on our books and the

4398
06:34:03,980 --> 06:34:08,660
director of the department charged with collecting that debt is making a public representation

4399
06:34:08,660 --> 06:34:14,720
on the record that your collection rate is 50%. And that's $21 million annually.

4400
06:34:15,040 --> 06:34:19,480
Two things cannot be true at the exact same time. That means that the aggregate outstanding

4401
06:34:19,480 --> 06:34:26,240
debt is $40 million, not $2.5 billion dollars. And I'm not math inclined. I'm a lawyer.

4402
06:34:26,480 --> 06:34:31,840
That right. Numbers don't necessarily make the most amount of sense for me. But this at the most

4403
06:34:31,840 --> 06:34:36,440
basic level does. And so I've asked you a number of different times essentially the same thing to

4404
06:34:36,440 --> 06:34:41,560
what I believe is a very simple question, and I'm not sure why I'm not getting a response

4405
06:34:41,560 --> 06:34:48,960
to what I think is a very simple question. To me, it yields what I think is an even greater need

4406
06:34:48,960 --> 06:34:53,700
to consider using third parties to collect our debt. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

4407
06:34:53,980 --> 06:34:58,240
I'm sorry, through the chair. Madam Chair, just not a mayor.

4408
06:34:58,240 --> 06:34:59,980
We understand there's been some confusing...

4409
06:35:00,000 --> 06:35:14,480
Information here, we're just trying to make it clear, because obviously by mentioning half a million dollars, she's confusing what the total amount of payments versus what is not collected.

4410
06:35:14,740 --> 06:35:20,300
So we just need to clarify that if Nameda Apal could just take a second to try to clarify.

4411
06:35:21,440 --> 06:35:27,960
Nameda, go ahead and clarify that, and then Commissioner Gilbert is going to come in on that one, after that.

4412
06:35:27,960 --> 06:35:36,400
Thank you commissioner. I think director Tomio saying that off the 42 million that was that they were collecting

4413
06:35:36,400 --> 06:35:39,400
they were able to collect 21 million

4414
06:35:40,380 --> 06:35:41,020
so

4415
06:35:41,020 --> 06:35:42,060
Why did

4416
06:35:42,060 --> 06:35:47,100
Hold on one no no no no no no no no, no, no no. One second one second

4417
06:35:47,100 --> 06:35:50,420
Let me listen everyone. We're going to do this in order

4418
06:35:50,420 --> 06:35:53,220
Notice this is exciting topic, but

4419
06:35:53,220 --> 06:35:58,660
No, I'm going to please come back really quickly clear it clear up the air and then we'll

4420
06:35:59,740 --> 06:36:02,460
Give the mic over to commissioner Gilbert

4421
06:36:04,000 --> 06:36:10,140
So the total outstanding debt for the county is over 500 million

4422
06:36:10,140 --> 06:36:12,540
400 million

4423
06:36:13,060 --> 06:36:20,720
Of the 41 million that the staff was collecting was responsible or doing making the calls issuing the letters

4424
06:36:20,720 --> 06:36:22,780
They were able to collect 21

4425
06:36:23,220 --> 06:36:27,160
So that's why she's saying the point of order, just stop, please.

4426
06:36:27,880 --> 06:36:32,120
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, listen, listen, listen guys, listen, listen, listen, we're

4427
06:36:32,120 --> 06:36:32,860
going to do this in order.

4428
06:36:33,160 --> 06:36:38,800
I get it, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to get there, no, I'm going to come back

4429
06:36:38,800 --> 06:36:42,360
to the podium, please, no, I'm going to,

4430
06:36:45,620 --> 06:36:54,200
all right, I apologize, but you're going to be

4431
06:36:54,200 --> 06:36:59,100
what you stated and then again I'm going to refer to Commissioner Gilbert for questioning

4432
06:36:59,100 --> 06:37:03,220
and then we'll go down the line for other questioning but I want to give you that respect

4433
06:37:03,220 --> 06:37:09,800
so let's try that again you repeat the numbers and then if someone has questions we'll

4434
06:37:09,800 --> 06:37:18,880
get those questions answered okay of the 42 million staff was able to get 21 million so

4435
06:37:18,880 --> 06:37:24,640
approximately 50 percent that's what director was saying excuse me I do have clarification

4436
06:37:26,160 --> 06:37:30,160
matter mayor coming one second let me let me just go around the board I'm

4437
06:37:30,160 --> 06:37:35,200
I'm sorry because you know wait for us one number to give you she's only

4438
06:37:35,200 --> 06:37:38,740
talking about the parts that are in active collection the rest of the money

4439
06:37:38,740 --> 06:37:43,380
yes of course we're we're still billing but the active collection part she's

4440
06:37:43,380 --> 06:37:47,900
saying when they assign a case for active collection they're receiving 50% back

4441
06:37:47,900 --> 06:37:53,000
thank you madam Eric commissioner Gilbert so I'm going to say this like not

4442
06:37:53,000 --> 06:38:01,140
accountant. All right, this 500 million of, oh, that's, this owed us. But of that 500 million,

4443
06:38:01,600 --> 06:38:07,540
they're only working on around this year. They're working on 42 million of it because they don't

4444
06:38:07,540 --> 06:38:14,380
have enough people to work on all 500 million at the same time. So what they're working on is that

4445
06:38:14,380 --> 06:38:22,800
what they were signed is 42 of the 500. Of the 42 that they have a signed, they have collected

4446
06:38:23,000 --> 06:38:32,160
21, thus they're 50% of collections recovery of what they're actually working on when they finish

4447
06:38:32,900 --> 06:38:41,220
and they clear new file then they add another file to it because they're working within the confines of their personnel.

4448
06:38:42,960 --> 06:38:48,200
And so they don't have a thousand people to collect the debts, they have a very specific number.

4449
06:38:48,200 --> 06:38:55,260
that that's how you're getting to the 50 percent. That's how you get there without sounding

4450
06:38:55,260 --> 06:39:02,280
like that. Thank you. Thank you commissioner. Give me one second. District five. Thank you.

4451
06:39:02,280 --> 06:39:07,740
Congratulations next. So it sounds like if you're going at this rate, they're going to hit $250

4452
06:39:07,740 --> 06:39:15,540
million in collecting collections and which is a great number. 50 percent. But commission

4453
06:39:15,540 --> 06:39:21,040
of Vicki Lopez. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess I would argue that if you

4454
06:39:21,040 --> 06:39:31,440
have 525 million that is outstanding and you only have so much personnel to do 41 million right

4455
06:39:31,440 --> 06:39:39,320
now. Here's the question. It is the receivable amount actually real because if it's 30 years old,

4456
06:39:39,580 --> 06:39:45,020
I'm an argue, you're probably not going to get it, which is why I have asked for the aging because

4457
06:39:45,020 --> 06:39:48,040
And as an accountant, that's what we do.

4458
06:39:48,180 --> 06:39:50,600
We look at receivables and we look at aging.

4459
06:39:50,860 --> 06:39:53,680
And we say, that's probably now going to be a bad debt.

4460
06:39:54,080 --> 06:39:55,680
And you write it off as uncollectable.

4461
06:39:56,120 --> 06:39:59,980
So I don't know that $525 million is actually received.

4462
06:40:00,000 --> 06:40:29,980
I get what Commissioner Gilbert said. It's a great clarification of what they're doing. But until I get an aging, I as an accountant can't make sense of this number. And that's all I've asked for. Because now I recognize that we haven't even touched Jackson. And I don't know why we haven't touched Jackson. But you know, that's yet another story. I guess to be discovered further on down the line. But, currently, I want to know the aging of the 525 million. And how it came to be that only,

4463
06:40:29,980 --> 06:40:35,640
40, the 8% were decided that those were the ones.

4464
06:40:35,740 --> 06:40:40,180
Hopefully they're the ones that are current, that you think you might get it because obviously

4465
06:40:40,180 --> 06:40:48,700
with a 50% percentage of success may be so, but I'm still not convinced it's 525 million.

4466
06:40:49,300 --> 06:40:49,920
Thank you commissioner.

4467
06:40:50,360 --> 06:40:56,960
Until the administration, why haven't she received the aging request that she made?

4468
06:40:57,140 --> 06:40:58,480
I guess that's a simple question.

4469
06:40:58,480 --> 06:41:05,860
Through this, I share thank you, my understanding that request was just me, but if you look at the table

4470
06:41:05,860 --> 06:41:18,480
That's in the memo. We actually do list the average age with the active balances and then we give a percentage or per portion of what is actually collectable based on the

4471
06:41:18,480 --> 06:41:27,160
the benchmarks in the industry and so our team is actually exceeding benchmarks for collections

4472
06:41:27,160 --> 06:41:34,020
of their age. I do agree and I think Commissioner Gilbert said it very well and eloquently

4473
06:41:34,020 --> 06:41:42,220
we're working at capacity. Greater capacity gives you greater opportunity. However, there's a

4474
06:41:42,220 --> 06:41:48,200
variable in there, which is the age and the likelihood of collecting.

4475
06:41:48,800 --> 06:41:56,520
So just adding people does not necessarily result in the quality of that product being delivered.

4476
06:41:57,160 --> 06:42:03,260
And so we have maximized our potential, we are exceeding benchmarks in the area of collections.

4477
06:42:03,800 --> 06:42:09,820
But naturally, if there were more resources available at it earlier point in time, then some

4478
06:42:09,820 --> 06:42:11,880
these things may not get to age.

4479
06:42:12,160 --> 06:42:16,080
To the point of Jackson, Jackson actually comes to us

4480
06:42:16,080 --> 06:42:17,720
as their last resort.

4481
06:42:18,540 --> 06:42:22,520
So they try to do everything they can to collect the debt.

4482
06:42:23,060 --> 06:42:26,080
And then as opposed to just saying never mind,

4483
06:42:26,480 --> 06:42:27,440
it's bad debt.

4484
06:42:27,560 --> 06:42:30,600
They say can your team take one last try.

4485
06:42:30,960 --> 06:42:34,620
As of today, I believe we've collected about $2 million

4486
06:42:35,300 --> 06:42:36,260
for Jackson.

4487
06:42:36,260 --> 06:42:42,640
And so that's bad debt commissioner Lopez that they probably would not have gotten because

4488
06:42:42,640 --> 06:42:49,040
they'd exhausted their other resources and have seen the capacity of our team to collect

4489
06:42:49,040 --> 06:42:55,200
with compassion within our values and to help families who might be out of compliance or

4490
06:42:55,200 --> 06:42:57,400
in a bad spot find resources.

4491
06:42:57,520 --> 06:43:00,900
That's the difference between us and a collection agency.

4492
06:43:01,300 --> 06:43:01,880
Thank you so much.

4493
06:43:02,040 --> 06:43:02,900
Commissioner Gonzalez.

4494
06:43:04,280 --> 06:43:08,180
Thank you so much, Mr. Chair, and I want to thank the Chief for that explanation.

4495
06:43:08,380 --> 06:43:15,020
I think that her, I think we should probably put forward a motion to deem her and Commissioner

4496
06:43:15,020 --> 06:43:21,800
Gilbert, our official accounting translators, because that was fantastic.

4497
06:43:22,400 --> 06:43:28,760
However, two Commissioner Lopez and Commissioner Cohen Higgins's point, I think it would

4498
06:43:28,760 --> 06:43:30,120
be a good idea.

4499
06:43:30,120 --> 06:43:36,860
And I think that this is what we're trying to get to, to the chief's point, there is some

4500
06:43:36,860 --> 06:43:40,020
debt that perhaps can be deemed uncollectable.

4501
06:43:40,620 --> 06:43:45,680
And the director made a good, a good analysis because I've seen that collection in the

4502
06:43:45,680 --> 06:43:50,160
past through the legal field, sometimes you can only sell it on pennies to the dollar.

4503
06:43:50,660 --> 06:43:55,920
But perhaps an analysis can be made to that debt that we're deemed uncollectable.

4504
06:43:55,920 --> 06:44:06,400
We don't have to expend resources on people that could be collecting collectible debt and rather we might be able to

4505
06:44:06,400 --> 06:44:13,620
Commissioner Cohen Higgins's point to sell that uncollectable debt even if it is on pennies on the dollar

4506
06:44:13,620 --> 06:44:19,640
Because we're gonna get something now the new debt that's coming in if we're getting a 50%

4507
06:44:20,880 --> 06:44:22,180
Turn around on that

4508
06:44:22,180 --> 06:44:31,700
Then we need to expand all resources on that new debt, analyze the uncollectable debt, and perhaps sell that.

4509
06:44:33,160 --> 06:44:41,120
I don't want to speak for Commissioner Lopez, but I think that that is where we're trying to go with this, and it would be a great idea to at least get something.

4510
06:44:41,680 --> 06:44:42,360
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

4511
06:44:44,740 --> 06:44:46,800
Thank you, Commissioner.

4512
06:44:47,820 --> 06:44:49,140
Commissioner, good before clarification.

4513
06:44:50,020 --> 06:44:56,060
Yeah, my original point that I was going to make on this debt was I'm just a couple of things to the folks who we can do

4514
06:44:56,060 --> 06:44:59,980
We have the will of this body is of course where we vote we do it but remember

4515
06:45:00,000 --> 06:45:06,860
Remember that some of this debt is attached to stuff that people actually need, and so when they use the words like humane

4516
06:45:06,860 --> 06:45:14,100
collection, what we're saying is some of our debts like people who water gets turned off for lack of payment.

4517
06:45:16,200 --> 06:45:22,900
So people need water to live. Sometimes people don't have money to pay for water.

4518
06:45:22,900 --> 06:45:31,880
and so I think that let's just be mindful when we go for assigning these things to

4519
06:45:31,880 --> 06:45:37,580
collection agencies that we're collecting some of these collections are against

4520
06:45:37,580 --> 06:45:45,480
our residents. For stuff that they actually need and they might not be able to

4521
06:45:45,480 --> 06:45:54,300
for by no fault of their own. I just want to be mindful of that. And then also, if we go down

4522
06:45:54,300 --> 06:46:02,540
the road of bringing in someone to collect on debt, I would prefer them not collect or us not

4523
06:46:02,540 --> 06:46:07,540
assigned debts to them where we have a lever to push. And what is a good example? So we get to

4524
06:46:07,540 --> 06:46:12,340
turn back on water when you pay. So we know that ultimately if you're still living in a place that

4525
06:46:12,340 --> 06:46:16,980
We can actually, we have something we can do to you to actually compel you to pay.

4526
06:46:17,740 --> 06:46:19,960
That debt is a lot more recoverable.

4527
06:46:20,460 --> 06:46:25,860
Let's not sell that or sign that out to a debt collection agency.

4528
06:46:26,120 --> 06:46:33,920
But I just wanted to be careful, because we do need money, but remember, these debts, a lot

4529
06:46:33,920 --> 06:46:38,360
of them could be against the group of people who we all acknowledge don't have a lot

4530
06:46:38,360 --> 06:46:39,180
of money to give.

4531
06:46:39,740 --> 06:46:40,640
That's it, Mr. Chairman.

4532
06:46:40,900 --> 06:46:41,520
Thank you.

4533
06:46:41,520 --> 06:47:10,860
Commissioner Reglaro. Thank you, and I was going to say almost exactly that commissioner. The only thing I was going to add is that unlike debt collectors in some of these debts, we have the opportunity to collect more even though it's over a long period of time when the individual comes back to open an account to get a permit to have service at Jackson. So that's a different situation from if we sell it and we get pennies on the dollar.

4534
06:47:10,860 --> 06:47:25,280
It does not harm us to hold that debt for a long period of time if what we're going to receive is so much larger than the sale minus the profit that a company is going to make.

4535
06:47:25,880 --> 06:47:37,820
So I understand how on paper it may look very attractive but you should consider that as a county we actually win in some cases by holding it longer.

4536
06:47:37,820 --> 06:47:43,300
because when they come in, they have to pay all of it in order to continue that process with us.

4537
06:47:43,400 --> 06:47:51,020
So I think some of that has been lost in the translation here and to Commissioner Gilbert's point,

4538
06:47:51,220 --> 06:47:56,140
these are human beings and a lot of these services are necessary services.

4539
06:47:56,620 --> 06:48:04,200
That being said, I think the administration has clearly heard what the majority of the board believes,

4540
06:48:04,200 --> 06:48:12,640
And what I would recommend is an exercise for the establishment of what is uncollectable

4541
06:48:12,640 --> 06:48:13,040
debt.

4542
06:48:13,260 --> 06:48:17,320
I think that's really what we're talking about, separate in a part from the sale and what

4543
06:48:17,320 --> 06:48:20,020
you may or may not think is the value of the debt.

4544
06:48:20,340 --> 06:48:26,740
Should we have a vehicle where at some point we determine it uncollectable and then it could

4545
06:48:26,740 --> 06:48:27,380
go somewhere.

4546
06:48:27,760 --> 06:48:31,000
As opposed to us making that determination without the data.

4547
06:48:31,000 --> 06:48:42,540
So I would recommend that the administration go back and kind of bring us some, you know, parameters for a determination of uncollectable.

4548
06:48:42,800 --> 06:48:47,360
I think that would make everyone feel a lot better and address some of the concerns.

4549
06:48:47,980 --> 06:48:48,540
Thank you.

4550
06:48:48,540 --> 06:48:50,320
Thank you, Commissioner Commissioner Vermuters.

4551
06:48:50,840 --> 06:48:51,920
I'll be brief.

4552
06:48:52,260 --> 06:49:00,520
I agree with Commissioner Lopez that this huge debt is obviously something that I agree with

4553
06:49:00,520 --> 06:49:07,440
Commissioner Gilbert, the administration's statement of collecting with compassion is fair,

4554
06:49:08,360 --> 06:49:13,740
but there's nothing wrong with combining two things, the work we have from the department

4555
06:49:13,740 --> 06:49:21,300
to maybe some collection that getting something back is, you know, 10% of something is better

4556
06:49:21,300 --> 06:49:22,680
than 0% of a lot more.

4557
06:49:23,280 --> 06:49:27,980
And I don't think that every collection agency and I don't have one, I'm not involved in one,

4558
06:49:27,980 --> 06:49:31,160
necessarily is, you know, not compassionate.

4559
06:49:32,100 --> 06:49:34,460
I just think we, there's nothing wrong.

4560
06:49:34,620 --> 06:49:36,940
I just want the administration to know that I don't,

4561
06:49:37,020 --> 06:49:39,800
there's nothing wrong with a mix between one and the other.

4562
06:49:39,940 --> 06:49:40,440
That's all.

4563
06:49:40,460 --> 06:49:42,820
And I think that's what some of my colleagues were saying.

4564
06:49:43,540 --> 06:49:45,960
Let's look at what we can get back,

4565
06:49:46,220 --> 06:49:48,360
even if we don't have to add additional staff,

4566
06:49:48,640 --> 06:49:51,440
which then it will be a cost, an additional cost.

4567
06:49:51,860 --> 06:49:52,580
So that's it.

4568
06:49:52,580 --> 06:49:53,500
That's all I got to say.

4569
06:49:53,660 --> 06:49:56,660
I hope that we can, and that does not mean

4570
06:49:56,660 --> 06:49:59,980
we still cannot be compassionate, even if it's outsourced.

4571
06:50:01,480 --> 06:50:10,060
Thank you, Commissioner. Thank you, Commissioner. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So thank you, Chief, for pointing out the chart.

4572
06:50:11,220 --> 06:50:23,360
I'll give you a perfect example. There are 10 accounts under public works that total 63, 64 million dollars that have been 30 years. Now, it's 10 accounts.

4573
06:50:24,100 --> 06:50:30,780
I'm pretty sure that we could probably say and I'm sure the administration could tell us

4574
06:50:30,780 --> 06:50:35,980
the number of hours they've spent trying to collect them over the 30 years, right?

4575
06:50:36,380 --> 06:50:40,780
This is a perfect example of the kind of thing that you would send to a third party because

4576
06:50:40,780 --> 06:50:46,960
either they get pennies to the dollar and we get something because so far, 10 accounts have

4577
06:50:46,960 --> 06:50:51,000
been outstanding to the 264 million dollars for 30 years.

4578
06:50:51,000 --> 06:50:57,660
That's the only point I was trying to make as an accountant that you have to make a decision,

4579
06:50:58,320 --> 06:51:03,620
whether or not after all of your efforts for 30 years you have not been able to collect it.

4580
06:51:03,920 --> 06:51:06,960
Maybe somebody can get us pennies on the dollar.

4581
06:51:07,620 --> 06:51:08,980
That's what you do.

4582
06:51:09,840 --> 06:51:12,060
That doesn't mean that you're not being compassionate.

4583
06:51:12,900 --> 06:51:17,980
That means that for 30 years 10 accounts have decided not to pay us.

4584
06:51:17,980 --> 06:51:25,320
And if you take it to a third party and they can't collect any of it, it's written off as a bad debt.

4585
06:51:25,500 --> 06:51:30,880
Although I would tell you that no accountant would allow you to carry this receivable on their books for 30 years.

4586
06:51:31,140 --> 06:51:34,340
There's not an accountant worth their weight and salt that would have allowed that.

4587
06:51:34,960 --> 06:51:40,400
So I'm just, and I'm looking at the next level, 60 accounts in RER.

4588
06:51:41,300 --> 06:51:49,440
totaling 15 million has been outstanding for 21 days, 21 years. Again, if you've tried to

4589
06:51:49,440 --> 06:51:56,080
collect it and you've done all you could for 21 years there are 60 accounts that

4590
06:51:56,080 --> 06:52:01,340
maybe someone can get us pennies to the dollar. That's the only point I was trying to make

4591
06:52:01,340 --> 06:52:08,060
because the aging tells the story and that alone should tell us something.

4592
06:52:09,000 --> 06:52:09,880
Thank you, Commissioner.

4593
06:52:10,140 --> 06:52:12,600
Do we have a motion to move this report?

4594
06:52:13,200 --> 06:52:16,660
Seeing one moment.

4595
06:52:17,020 --> 06:52:17,680
Commissioner Conehiggins.

4596
06:52:17,960 --> 06:52:18,860
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

4597
06:52:18,860 --> 06:52:20,480
Thank you to my colleagues on the conversation.

4598
06:52:20,700 --> 06:52:21,720
What is it that we are doing?

4599
06:52:22,020 --> 06:52:23,180
Are we just going to pass the report?

4600
06:52:23,280 --> 06:52:24,040
What's up in the report?

4601
06:52:24,540 --> 06:52:27,740
We're going to get another report just to be clear to the administration.

4602
06:52:28,040 --> 06:52:29,680
Are we going to get a subsequent report?

4603
06:52:30,600 --> 06:52:30,640
No.

4604
06:52:31,940 --> 06:52:32,140
Yes.

4605
06:52:33,460 --> 06:52:36,460
We will provide the aging report as requested.

4606
06:52:36,460 --> 06:52:45,440
And I think we'll also clarify some of this discussion because clearly when it was presented, it wasn't clear as it could have been so we want to make sure you have that correct information

4607
06:52:45,440 --> 06:52:55,460
But we will give you the aging information and we will also make a recommendation as to how long we should carry that debt versus

4608
06:52:58,380 --> 06:53:00,820
Selling it for pennies on the dollar absolutely.

4609
06:53:00,820 --> 06:53:05,860
she the conversation and all of the comments that have been made and you know we these are the

4610
06:53:05,860 --> 06:53:10,860
conversations we have to make because as we enter budget season you know a number of us have

4611
06:53:10,860 --> 06:53:16,380
already communicated our intention to take these dives and these things but we can't keep saying

4612
06:53:16,380 --> 06:53:23,100
that we need to make tough decisions while simultaneously saying that we are not willing to collect on

4613
06:53:23,100 --> 06:53:30,540
$2.5 billion worth of debt like something has to something has to give at some point so I believe that

4614
06:53:30,540 --> 06:53:37,720
is a universe where we can use an agency that engages with the compassion that we require,

4615
06:53:38,320 --> 06:53:42,660
that we can collect as much of this money in addition to what the department is doing

4616
06:53:42,660 --> 06:53:46,620
and is doing a great job doing. I'm looking to compliment not to replace. I want to make

4617
06:53:46,620 --> 06:53:52,000
that very, very clear. But if your capacity is only giving you the ability to work on $40

4618
06:53:52,000 --> 06:53:59,640
million at a time when we have 2.5 billion, clearly help is necessary and help is necessary

4619
06:53:59,640 --> 06:54:04,740
in that department and help us necessary with our budget issues as well so I look forward to the

4620
06:54:04,740 --> 06:54:09,300
subsequent report that will be forthcoming and hopefully we can get some greater percentages

4621
06:54:09,300 --> 06:54:13,240
of those dollars collected. Thank you Mr. Vice Chair. Thank you Commissioner Orbis please and

4622
06:54:13,240 --> 06:54:17,940
follow back Commissioner Gonzalez. Thank you Mr. Chair just to add on to what everybody has said.

4623
06:54:18,160 --> 06:54:22,180
I know you're going to include the aging and the memo and the report that's coming back and we also

4624
06:54:22,180 --> 06:54:28,080
get the categories of the type of debt and the likelihood of collection. I know that that's in your

4625
06:54:28,080 --> 06:54:32,820
recommendation, but historically right, what have you seen that you've been able to collect

4626
06:54:32,820 --> 06:54:38,980
and I'm over the last 20 or 30 years, if we have that data, if we could also get the

4627
06:54:38,980 --> 06:54:40,660
type of debt, that would be great.

4628
06:54:41,300 --> 06:54:41,360
Yes.

4629
06:54:41,860 --> 06:54:42,120
Okay.

4630
06:54:42,460 --> 06:54:43,100
Thank you.

4631
06:54:43,380 --> 06:54:43,800
Commissioner Gonzalez.

4632
06:54:44,460 --> 06:54:44,580
Yeah.

4633
06:54:44,620 --> 06:54:49,120
So I'd like to piggyback off what Commissioner Million Orbus and Commissioner Cohen Higgins

4634
06:54:49,120 --> 06:54:49,580
said.

4635
06:54:50,200 --> 06:54:55,320
I do appreciate the mayor's comments that they're diligently taking notes on this conversation

4636
06:54:55,320 --> 06:54:59,980
perhaps. It would be good for the county.

4637
06:55:00,000 --> 06:55:26,880
Attorney's office to give us a more of a narrow instruction so that there's no confusion, and by the time the administration comes back with a report, they're not left with coming up short. So I love the fact that you said we should have categories, definitely think we should have categories. I want to hear from Commissioner Lopez and Commissioner Cohen Higgins if they'd like to chime in, but we definitely want categories.

4638
06:55:26,880 --> 06:55:36,060
We want to identify how long the debt is being or has been uncollected, perhaps it would

4639
06:55:36,060 --> 06:55:45,240
be a good idea to include how many attempts have been made so that we can then decide,

4640
06:55:46,160 --> 06:55:53,740
hey, we're spending extra money and this is where we should stop and I would like to get the

4641
06:55:53,740 --> 06:55:59,700
administration's recommendation on that that they being hey this is uncollectable this is not

4642
06:55:59,700 --> 06:56:05,580
something that that we're probably ever going to collect so if anything this is that that

4643
06:56:05,580 --> 06:56:11,600
you should probably consider selling um so those are my two cents I don't know if my colleagues

4644
06:56:11,600 --> 06:56:17,180
want to add anything else but that way we can narrow the scope of what's going to come back to us

4645
06:56:17,180 --> 06:56:21,820
and we can all be happy with the results thank you commissioner uh i'm seeing the item has been

4646
06:56:21,820 --> 06:56:25,880
move by Commissioner Lopez and second by Commissioner Gonzalez, all in favor of moving the report.

4647
06:56:26,620 --> 06:56:29,020
Can we get the clarification before we vote, though?

4648
06:56:29,280 --> 06:56:30,540
We want to take it to the administration.

4649
06:56:31,920 --> 06:56:36,140
Commissioner Gonzalez made some points and asked for clarification, were they taken down or you?

4650
06:56:36,520 --> 06:56:38,120
Yes, through the advice.

4651
06:56:38,860 --> 06:56:38,940
Yeah.

4652
06:56:38,940 --> 06:56:39,480
Thank you.

4653
06:56:40,740 --> 06:56:45,540
We have summarized that information in the report that you have, but we will also provide you

4654
06:56:45,540 --> 06:56:46,080
detail.

4655
06:56:46,920 --> 06:56:51,800
And we are absolutely an agreement that we should look at the death that is

4656
06:56:51,800 --> 06:56:58,100
actually marketable, getting it into the market, we also though believe that the debt that is

4657
06:56:58,100 --> 06:57:04,360
not marketable, we should continue what we're doing, which is being the last mile in trying

4658
06:57:04,360 --> 06:57:11,140
to collect it. We are exceptionally good at collecting the last mile debt that no one else wants,

4659
06:57:11,400 --> 06:57:16,540
but we absolutely agree with the sponsoring commissioner of the item and yourself, that that debt

4660
06:57:16,540 --> 06:57:19,460
that we could have somebody do a better job than us.

4661
06:57:20,060 --> 06:57:21,380
We should exploit that.

4662
06:57:21,820 --> 06:57:23,120
We're working on that last week.

4663
06:57:23,120 --> 06:57:23,660
Thank you.

4664
06:57:24,360 --> 06:57:27,180
I would just like to add, because I've seen that collection

4665
06:57:27,180 --> 06:57:28,700
through the legal field in the past.

4666
06:57:29,160 --> 06:57:31,380
There are some third party companies

4667
06:57:31,380 --> 06:57:34,600
that would probably purchase on marketable debt,

4668
06:57:35,100 --> 06:57:36,860
just to be able to say that they're collecting

4669
06:57:36,860 --> 06:57:37,980
that for Miami-Dade County.

4670
06:57:38,200 --> 06:57:39,680
I'm just going to throw that out there.

4671
06:57:40,160 --> 06:57:40,760
Thank you, Commissioner.

4672
06:57:41,700 --> 06:57:43,500
Commissioner, did that satisfy your request?

4673
06:57:44,040 --> 06:57:44,320
Thank you.

4674
06:57:44,740 --> 06:57:45,840
All in favor of the item?

4675
06:57:45,840 --> 06:57:54,460
All right, all right. All right, all right. All right. Next up, to be 12, commissioning a low

4676
06:57:54,460 --> 06:58:01,560
page. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So this has been an item that I have been following since

4677
06:58:01,560 --> 06:58:08,540
I was in the house. And as you all know, we appropriate funds to begin in the fiscal year,

4678
06:58:08,680 --> 06:58:14,380
beginning July 1st. And I'm always in awe over the fact that we don't sign contracts for six

4679
06:58:14,380 --> 06:58:23,120
months with the recipient of funds so now I'm finding this item that we still have outstanding

4680
06:58:23,120 --> 06:58:31,540
items from 2024's legislative session as well as 2025 and I guess I would like to know

4681
06:58:31,540 --> 06:58:37,940
I want to be helpful in making sure that money that are appropriated to the county actually

4682
06:58:37,940 --> 06:58:43,840
come to the county so that we can do the work that we have requested the legislature to

4683
06:58:43,840 --> 06:59:02,160
And I'm beginning to wonder how much of this is our fault, because when I talk to state agencies, they'll say that they didn't provide the right information and then other times, it's because the state agency hasn't done its job in getting the contracts to the recipient in time.

4684
06:59:02,360 --> 06:59:08,220
And so I just want to make sure that we don't wait to bring these things to the commission.

4685
06:59:08,220 --> 06:59:14,800
And if there's an item, for instance, there have been appropriations done in the 2026 session.

4686
06:59:15,980 --> 06:59:22,880
We are now in July, so all of those appropriations took effect on July 1st.

4687
06:59:23,020 --> 06:59:27,860
I would like to get a report, because I'm already seeing this report, which brings me great

4688
06:59:27,860 --> 06:59:33,220
discomfort, because we're expecting to get those funds and somehow, even the state agency

4689
06:59:33,220 --> 06:59:35,320
isn't doing its job or we're not doing our job.

4690
06:59:35,320 --> 06:59:43,780
I don't want to look back, although I am going to take this to the appropriations staff in the house and tell them exactly.

4691
06:59:44,000 --> 06:59:55,200
So I'd like lots of detail here so that I can tell the appropriations staff, this is not yet been, it was appropriated, it has not yet been contractual with the county.

4692
06:59:55,820 --> 06:59:59,980
So sometimes they can help move the agency along if it's the agency's problem.

4693
07:00:00,820 --> 07:00:14,240
In the future, I would like very much to know of all of our appropriations currently, because, you know, it took place on July 1st, how long it's taking, and let's not wait until the end of the year to tell me that.

4694
07:00:14,300 --> 07:00:29,940
Tell me now, as we move along, how many contracts are coming along from the agencies and how many are not, so that I will make the calls, because I think it's outrageous, that we make a request, the legislature appropriates it, and then the executive agency doesn't enter into the contract with us,

4695
07:00:29,940 --> 07:00:31,380
as the recipient of those funds.

4696
07:00:31,560 --> 07:00:32,520
That was my only point.

4697
07:00:32,660 --> 07:00:33,580
I'll move the item.

4698
07:00:33,800 --> 07:00:34,480
Thank you, Seni.

4699
07:00:34,580 --> 07:00:35,220
I had them being moved.

4700
07:00:35,500 --> 07:00:36,740
Do we have a second?

4701
07:00:36,940 --> 07:00:37,760
Second, well, Commissioner,

4702
07:00:37,940 --> 07:00:38,700
but you deserve a favor.

4703
07:00:39,380 --> 07:00:39,880
I did.

4704
07:00:40,880 --> 07:00:41,680
All right.

4705
07:00:41,780 --> 07:00:44,240
I just had a brief comment, Mr. Vice Chair.

4706
07:00:44,500 --> 07:00:46,700
I just wanted to thank Commissioner,

4707
07:00:47,580 --> 07:00:50,360
because I have been involved in some of those negotiations,

4708
07:00:50,480 --> 07:00:53,580
which have been extremely difficult with executive agencies.

4709
07:00:54,000 --> 07:00:56,120
And sometimes there is blame on our side,

4710
07:00:56,240 --> 07:00:57,520
but there is also a lot of challenge.

4711
07:00:57,840 --> 07:00:59,640
And I would very much welcome the opportunity

4712
07:00:59,640 --> 07:01:08,640
work with you early. Thank you. Thank you. All against item passes. Next we have 3b2. It looks

4713
07:01:08,640 --> 07:01:10,440
like you again, Commissioner Lopez.

4714
07:01:14,340 --> 07:01:17,800
So I just had a quick question on 3b2. So I noticed that

4715
07:01:17,800 --> 07:01:24,560
we entered into a contract with Microsoft licensing, the nonprofit licensing, because there was

4716
07:01:24,560 --> 07:01:30,840
an emergency situation. I'm just curious why we would enter into one for three years, as opposed

4717
07:01:30,840 --> 07:01:35,580
a shorter period of time to address the emergency. That's the only question I had of the

4718
07:01:35,580 --> 07:01:36,040
administration.

4719
07:01:37,880 --> 07:01:38,340
The administration?

4720
07:01:38,720 --> 07:01:44,520
Nice chair. We wanted to make sure we locked in pricing, and that was where we landed with

4721
07:01:44,520 --> 07:01:49,740
Microsoft, to ensure that we didn't have some massive escalation of pricing as we continued

4722
07:01:49,740 --> 07:01:53,340
to explore different options. Thank you. I'll move the item.

4723
07:01:53,680 --> 07:02:00,470
Any item being moved? Do we have a second? A second by Commissioner Gonzales, all in favor? Hold on.

4724
07:02:02,410 --> 07:02:05,190
I just have a quick question on 3v2.

4725
07:02:06,110 --> 07:02:15,470
I know that we have had many issues with Microsoft having to work with us on the issues

4726
07:02:15,470 --> 07:02:17,670
that are specific to what we need for the libraries.

4727
07:02:18,470 --> 07:02:20,310
What's the plan moving forward though?

4728
07:02:20,430 --> 07:02:26,650
Because right now this is an emergency contract and if they're not willing to adhere to

4729
07:02:26,650 --> 07:02:30,450
the conditions that, by the way, are not just us at state law, what then happens?

4730
07:02:31,310 --> 07:02:32,210
You're recognized.

4731
07:02:32,330 --> 07:02:33,350
Through the vice chair.

4732
07:02:34,030 --> 07:02:35,310
That's an excellent question.

4733
07:02:35,830 --> 07:02:38,690
And one, your colleague, Commissioner Gilbert, has asked us many times.

4734
07:02:38,970 --> 07:02:41,790
The staff has been directed to start looking for Plan B.

4735
07:02:42,370 --> 07:02:47,290
And so we have found that Microsoft has been difficult at best.

4736
07:02:47,750 --> 07:02:50,690
Particularly around this issue, it was not unique to my immediate county.

4737
07:02:50,810 --> 07:02:53,670
This was a policy they put in place nationally.

4738
07:02:54,190 --> 07:02:58,690
That changed the definition of a nonprofit that impacted our libraries.

4739
07:02:58,690 --> 07:03:04,530
and so staff has been directed to look at what we would do in the future, the three years

4740
07:03:04,530 --> 07:03:11,890
gives us time because as you all know, we have been using Microsoft for a very, very long time.

4741
07:03:11,890 --> 07:03:18,070
That will not be a smoother easy transition if we're unable to negotiate with them and have

4742
07:03:18,070 --> 07:03:20,570
defined a different resource.

4743
07:03:22,960 --> 07:03:27,240
Okay. Who was last? Okay, so it's been moved by Commissioner

4744
07:03:27,240 --> 07:03:32,440
low beds, seconded by Commissioner Gilbert, all in favor, signify by say and aye. All opposed

4745
07:03:32,440 --> 07:03:36,560
nay. All right, I'm on three B5. We're going to move this along. We still have a very, very long

4746
07:03:36,560 --> 07:03:42,000
pull list, unless you all want to come in to our backup meeting, which is an August. I mean, I suggest

4747
07:03:42,000 --> 07:03:49,180
we start kind of getting through this. I'm good for it, by the way, for the August meeting. Three B5,

4748
07:03:49,420 --> 07:03:54,620
come as sure from district five, you're recognized on the Miami Foundation, right? Thank you. I just wanted

4749
07:03:54,620 --> 07:04:00,500
question to the administration with regards to getting grant funding from the Miami Foundation

4750
07:04:00,500 --> 07:04:05,360
or any other organization to fund the operations and activities of the Department of Cultural

4751
07:04:05,360 --> 07:04:05,760
Affairs.

4752
07:04:05,960 --> 07:04:10,600
Is this something that has happened before, is this like a pattern where we get grant money

4753
07:04:10,600 --> 07:04:12,220
to pay for operations?

4754
07:04:13,520 --> 07:04:14,200
Through the chair.

4755
07:04:15,400 --> 07:04:23,160
The last year, when we were looking at ways that we could come in with a balance budget,

4756
07:04:23,160 --> 07:04:28,800
We looked at how we could reduce possibly through some general

4757
07:04:28,800 --> 07:04:30,440
fund reduction in arts and culture.

4758
07:04:30,980 --> 07:04:37,520
At that time, the arts community, arts donors stepped forward and said they wanted to be helpful.

4759
07:04:38,200 --> 07:04:39,720
And from that comes this grant.

4760
07:04:40,060 --> 07:04:41,060
Thank you all move the item.

4761
07:04:41,640 --> 07:04:41,760
All right.

4762
07:04:41,900 --> 07:04:46,840
It's been moved by Commissioner Lopez, seconded by Commissioner of the Orbis, on favor

4763
07:04:46,840 --> 07:04:53,140
signify by say n i, all opposed nay, Commissioner Bramirez, I'm going to recognize you

4764
07:04:53,140 --> 07:04:59,980
to to retake up 70 collector. Okay. Yeah, 70, uh, we-

4765
07:05:00,000 --> 07:05:26,400
I had made a motion. However, since Commissioner Hardeman is not here and I'd like the full body, and now we, you know, the full body to make a decision on this, and I do not believe, as the attorneys have clarified, because it impacts the CDMP, we have an ability to defer it till the full body is here, to move it along for another deferral until the full body is here.

4766
07:05:26,400 --> 07:05:28,420
September 1st, September 1st.

4767
07:05:28,540 --> 07:05:29,320
All right, so I'll show it.

4768
07:05:29,580 --> 07:05:32,300
Deferred to September 1st, seconded by Commissioner Gonzales,

4769
07:05:32,440 --> 07:05:34,320
all the favor of the deferral signify by say aye.

4770
07:05:34,780 --> 07:05:38,400
All opposed names show 70 deferred to September 1st.

4771
07:05:40,560 --> 07:05:42,280
8F2, Commissioner from District 12,

4772
07:05:42,300 --> 07:05:45,840
you're recognized to on 8F2.

4773
07:05:51,360 --> 07:05:52,260
Super sisters?

4774
07:05:54,060 --> 07:05:57,260
Yeah, I think this one is the,

4775
07:05:57,320 --> 07:05:59,920
the one that have an amendment for on the,

4776
07:05:59,920 --> 07:06:02,760
I don't know if the attorneys want to read it, or if the attorneys could please read

4777
07:06:02,760 --> 07:06:03,840
Commissioner Ramirez's amendment.

4778
07:06:04,540 --> 07:06:10,740
The mission of Ramirez moves to amend agenda item 8F2 to substitute the landlords name in

4779
07:06:10,740 --> 07:06:15,680
the mayor's memorandum, the title and section one of the resolution, to reflect the current

4780
07:06:15,680 --> 07:06:23,740
property owner as 41.06, Parasal LLC in place of three super sisters corporation.

4781
07:06:24,280 --> 07:06:29,200
And to substitute the lease agreement attached to the item with a substantially similar lease

4782
07:06:29,200 --> 07:06:35,440
executed by 4106, Pareto LLC, thereby reflecting the new landlord's name.

4783
07:06:36,100 --> 07:06:39,840
It's basically the technicality of Mr. Chair. As much as I love the three supercesters

4784
07:06:39,840 --> 07:06:44,860
since I have three daughters, the reality is that the property that we're actually

4785
07:06:44,860 --> 07:06:51,580
leasing, the owners change. It's now 41.06, Pareto LLC. So it's just a correct

4786
07:06:52,160 --> 07:06:56,680
technicality. In between the time period that I guess has started this would happen.

4787
07:06:56,680 --> 07:06:59,540
a showbroom unit is moving it as amended seconded by commissioner Gilbert

4788
07:06:59,540 --> 07:07:02,720
signal for the discussion all in favor signify by say and I

4789
07:07:02,720 --> 07:07:06,740
I all oppose nay show that item passes amended

4790
07:07:07,560 --> 07:07:12,560
um eight k four and eight and seven commissioner from district one

4791
07:07:12,560 --> 07:07:17,040
two very separate items but you're the pooling you're the pooling commissioner on both

4792
07:07:17,680 --> 07:07:20,360
yeah eight k four I think my question was why

4793
07:07:20,360 --> 07:07:24,780
the P.A. needs folks, social security numbers.

4794
07:07:26,360 --> 07:07:28,320
I know why we needed it and we're sharing information.

4795
07:07:28,560 --> 07:07:31,400
I don't know why they needed it.

4796
07:07:32,040 --> 07:07:35,960
So I didn't really, I wasn't vibing that portion of it.

4797
07:07:36,120 --> 07:07:38,100
The attorneys, is there a reason?

4798
07:07:41,850 --> 07:07:44,690
I believe the property of Praiser is here.

4799
07:07:45,350 --> 07:07:47,590
There's supposed to be here to answer that question.

4800
07:07:48,250 --> 07:07:50,550
Is somebody from the property of Praiser's office in the chamber?

4801
07:07:52,210 --> 07:07:57,510
is it here is in the building if you give him a few minutes we can come back to it if necessary

4802
07:07:57,510 --> 07:08:06,890
I think it has to do with determining homestead okay let's let's let's not wait

4803
07:08:06,890 --> 07:08:12,730
I'll text 8 and 7 commission from this room we'll come back to that one 8 and 7

4804
07:08:12,730 --> 07:08:20,090
commission from this room the underline oh yeah what we all know like we don't we don't have to

4805
07:08:20,090 --> 07:08:21,130
Yes, about this.

4806
07:08:21,630 --> 07:08:24,050
Now, I just want to say, I'm going to pull like,

4807
07:08:24,630 --> 07:08:26,650
I don't know which of you always say, give me credit,

4808
07:08:26,790 --> 07:08:29,070
but give me credit for putting this on the agenda

4809
07:08:29,070 --> 07:08:31,670
for transportation and getting out of committee.

4810
07:08:32,430 --> 07:08:35,890
And to Stacey Miller are very often able director

4811
07:08:35,890 --> 07:08:41,350
and Roy, who they both did their tedious early morning

4812
07:08:41,350 --> 07:08:42,990
calls lobbying for this item.

4813
07:08:44,470 --> 07:08:47,430
It's before the board, so you all can pass it.

4814
07:08:47,510 --> 07:08:49,050
I'm going to vote no on this.

4815
07:08:49,050 --> 07:08:54,030
I understand why it needs to pass, but fundamentally understand what we are doing.

4816
07:08:54,250 --> 07:08:58,970
We're giving money to completing asset that we're going to build.

4817
07:08:59,170 --> 07:09:03,290
That's going to be managed by someone else who's going to use those resources.

4818
07:09:04,170 --> 07:09:08,930
That when they took public money to build it up to people for people in this specific place.

4819
07:09:09,070 --> 07:09:10,150
That's what's going to happen.

4820
07:09:10,590 --> 07:09:11,970
That is what happens in the underlying.

4821
07:09:12,530 --> 07:09:15,230
It is substantially different from the Lutham.

4822
07:09:15,770 --> 07:09:17,670
It's substantially different in how it operates.

4823
07:09:17,670 --> 07:09:22,690
And so I just want to put that out there because sometimes we wonder why we have areas

4824
07:09:22,690 --> 07:09:31,010
have and have nots, the have and have nots happen in votes just like this when we allocate

4825
07:09:31,010 --> 07:09:36,450
no extra money the money is within the contingency of this contract but I had a problem with

4826
07:09:36,450 --> 07:09:42,310
the original contract. So I obviously have a problem now with exercise and contingency.

4827
07:09:42,310 --> 07:09:44,770
Thank you. That's going to be my goal.

4828
07:09:45,130 --> 07:09:51,410
Item seconded by Commissioner Bustian.

4829
07:09:52,550 --> 07:09:54,570
Sure. All right. You recognize Commissioner Conehiggins?

4830
07:09:54,710 --> 07:09:56,730
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

4831
07:09:57,210 --> 07:09:59,990
Two, is this, what, what department is this?

4832
07:10:00,000 --> 07:10:01,500
Money, come out of.

4833
07:10:04,060 --> 07:10:10,940
I see the amazing cities. Yes, to the chair, director of Department of Transportation Public Works.

4834
07:10:13,910 --> 07:10:16,810
This comes out of the Department of Transportation and Public Works.

4835
07:10:17,090 --> 07:10:17,970
Through the chair.

4836
07:10:18,110 --> 07:10:18,630
You're recognized.

4837
07:10:19,090 --> 07:10:23,010
Stasing Miller, Director and CEO of Department of Transportation and Public Works, yes.

4838
07:10:23,350 --> 07:10:28,150
Okay, and the total contract value that you were extending this to is $8.2 million.

4839
07:10:28,850 --> 07:10:32,450
For the CEI Construction Engineering and Inspection Services.

4840
07:10:32,450 --> 07:10:37,350
of a, I guess, a newer section of the underlying, it is an active section of the underlying

4841
07:10:37,350 --> 07:10:42,850
that is currently under construction. I see, and so this is to complete the, the construction

4842
07:10:42,850 --> 07:10:48,810
that's already underway. Correct. Okay, and how much is in your budget, aside from this item

4843
07:10:48,810 --> 07:10:55,030
to complete the underlying, whether it's under construction or not. This is 8 million to complete

4844
07:10:55,030 --> 07:10:59,550
that section that's already under construction. How much is in your budget to complete the

4845
07:10:59,550 --> 07:11:02,690
line whether under construction or not.

4846
07:11:03,430 --> 07:11:07,570
We have an available budget of $2.7 million dollars.

4847
07:11:07,570 --> 07:11:12,970
$2.7, that's all that's left in order to allocate to the underline to finish the construction.

4848
07:11:13,610 --> 07:11:20,670
We have already come to you with our last extension for construction and this is our last extension

4849
07:11:20,670 --> 07:11:27,510
request for the CEI, which is in concert with the approved construction extension.

4850
07:11:27,510 --> 07:11:30,610
We anticipate no further requests.

4851
07:11:31,150 --> 07:11:34,270
Okay, beyond this one and the two million that you just discussed.

4852
07:11:34,450 --> 07:11:34,950
Yes, ma'am.

4853
07:11:35,210 --> 07:11:36,090
Okay, that's all I needed to know.

4854
07:11:36,230 --> 07:11:36,910
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

4855
07:11:37,190 --> 07:11:39,490
Okay, we need a second of the CNS with Drone Herzai.

4856
07:11:39,530 --> 07:11:42,530
So we need a second by Commissioner Lopez.

4857
07:11:44,130 --> 07:11:45,890
All in favour, signify by say aye.

4858
07:11:46,750 --> 07:11:47,750
All opposed nay.

4859
07:11:48,530 --> 07:11:51,050
So the item pass reflecting two news.

4860
07:11:52,750 --> 07:11:55,630
All right, Commissioner from District 12.

4861
07:11:55,630 --> 07:11:59,530
I am going to call up three WASD items together.

4862
07:11:59,690 --> 07:12:02,690
You're the pulling commissioner on all three, all the different items.

4863
07:12:03,110 --> 07:12:04,270
You may speak on them all together.

4864
07:12:04,410 --> 07:12:06,070
802, 803, and 804.

4865
07:12:06,310 --> 07:12:07,330
I'm going to support a mod.

4866
07:12:07,490 --> 07:12:09,270
I just want to make it comment about the change orders.

4867
07:12:09,470 --> 07:12:10,650
I do it all the time.

4868
07:12:10,890 --> 07:12:11,550
I don't know.

4869
07:12:11,810 --> 07:12:13,950
It's a bad policy.

4870
07:12:14,670 --> 07:12:18,450
And sometimes it's warranted, but that's always causes more money.

4871
07:12:19,090 --> 07:12:22,010
If it's us, let's make the mistake, then we should know.

4872
07:12:22,370 --> 07:12:25,210
I think one of these things has like 112 trees or something.

4873
07:12:25,210 --> 07:12:32,230
But we really need to evaluate these contracts and you know, I'm going to vote for them all three

4874
07:12:33,170 --> 07:12:38,830
Mr. Chairman that said I just got to comment on all three. Thank you, but it's just bad policy to have change orders constantly

4875
07:12:38,830 --> 07:12:40,530
All right, we got a motion

4876
07:12:41,250 --> 07:12:43,050
By have a quick question

4877
07:12:43,050 --> 07:12:45,050
Well, I need a motion on

4878
07:12:45,590 --> 07:12:48,650
I'll move it move by commissioner Regalado second of by bus the end

4879
07:12:49,050 --> 07:12:52,190
You recognize for a question. I just have a quick question on

4880
07:12:52,190 --> 07:12:56,690
on 804 because the work was completed in 2025,

4881
07:12:57,470 --> 07:13:01,290
but the payment that wasn't issued,

4882
07:13:01,590 --> 07:13:04,770
we're seeing the change order dated March, 2026,

4883
07:13:05,810 --> 07:13:09,490
is there a reason why we have over a year

4884
07:13:09,490 --> 07:13:11,010
from when the work was completed

4885
07:13:11,010 --> 07:13:14,390
and when was the signed, the change order?

4886
07:13:15,090 --> 07:13:17,330
Through the chair, Jay Fink, was the director.

4887
07:13:17,910 --> 07:13:20,450
Typically, when the work gets complete,

4888
07:13:20,450 --> 07:13:24,570
there's still close out so there's an awful lot of negotiation that goes back and forth

4889
07:13:24,570 --> 07:13:28,730
closing that out and then once it does get finalized and it does take a matter of

4890
07:13:28,730 --> 07:13:32,910
months to actually get it on this agenda through a committee to hear for the vote.

4891
07:13:33,190 --> 07:13:37,650
I don't have a specific answer as to the exact time line or what the delay was but I know

4892
07:13:37,650 --> 07:13:41,950
that it does take a time. I appreciate that but I think a year and three months is a little bit

4893
07:13:41,950 --> 07:13:47,650
more than what we usually see here in terms of close out but yes I'm happy to support it but

4894
07:13:47,650 --> 07:13:50,390
I think we should be mindful of the timing.

4895
07:13:50,490 --> 07:13:51,930
I know it takes a while to get on the agenda,

4896
07:13:52,410 --> 07:13:54,630
but I think a year and a few months is a bit much

4897
07:13:54,630 --> 07:13:55,350
to wait for payment.

4898
07:13:55,710 --> 07:13:56,430
Thank you.

4899
07:13:56,590 --> 07:13:57,990
All right, so I'll go motion a second.

4900
07:13:58,150 --> 07:13:59,690
All in favor, signify by say aye.

4901
07:14:00,230 --> 07:14:01,230
All opposed, nay.

4902
07:14:01,710 --> 07:14:05,870
Show 802, 803, or four passed by this vote.

4903
07:14:06,550 --> 07:14:07,950
Commissioner from District 12, you're recognized

4904
07:14:07,950 --> 07:14:09,990
on K Termino AP8.

4905
07:14:10,450 --> 07:14:12,050
Yeah, I'm going to support it again,

4906
07:14:13,110 --> 07:14:14,490
but I want to make some comments.

4907
07:14:14,490 --> 07:14:19,630
This reminds me of the other concession agreement, the airport people are here.

4908
07:14:20,050 --> 07:14:22,150
I still don't have the answers from the first concession agreement.

4909
07:14:22,950 --> 07:14:29,310
And again, let me go through Mr. Red and Mr. Goldfarb. I'm sure you're watching.

4910
07:14:30,190 --> 07:14:33,410
And the lobbyists, which I'm sure are watching, one of them was here.

4911
07:14:34,630 --> 07:14:41,810
I think it's bad policy for this better be a clear transparent process

4912
07:14:41,810 --> 07:14:46,630
to award these contracts at the airport because it wasn't last time and I got a problem

4913
07:14:46,630 --> 07:14:52,730
with it and I'm going to be watching like a hawk like why don't write so I'm going to

4914
07:14:52,730 --> 07:14:57,570
be on you guys because I want to know that the process is fair to the businesses of Miami

4915
07:14:57,570 --> 07:14:59,970
Dave County and across the country.

4916
07:15:00,000 --> 07:15:06,980
We have, in fact, it's a national vendor and it's not particularly for anybody in particular.

4917
07:15:08,180 --> 07:15:15,500
So that's my comment. I'm going to support it because the sponsor laid it out well, but I do

4918
07:15:15,500 --> 07:15:21,640
want to make sure that this gets done the right way with clear transparency for all of us, with

4919
07:15:21,640 --> 07:15:27,220
no surprises. All right, so shall it moved by Commissioner Cohen Higgins, seconded by Commissioner

4920
07:15:27,220 --> 07:15:30,940
Lopez and all of it, you're nothing to be recognized.

4921
07:15:32,880 --> 07:15:33,040
What?

4922
07:15:34,100 --> 07:15:35,700
I'll write under this game in it.

4923
07:15:36,060 --> 07:15:36,740
All right, go ahead.

4924
07:15:38,100 --> 07:15:38,900
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

4925
07:15:38,940 --> 07:15:43,700
And thank you, Commissioner Bermuda, for the concerns that you express I share those concerns

4926
07:15:43,700 --> 07:15:48,780
and I wanted to illuminate the fact that this award and the airport can correct me if

4927
07:15:48,780 --> 07:15:54,460
I'm wrong, is an entirely new company that has never been in our airport before, right?

4928
07:15:54,460 --> 07:15:55,560
So talk about it.

4929
07:15:55,560 --> 07:15:59,020
like allowing you opportunity not having the same

4930
07:15:59,020 --> 07:16:02,900
cabal continue to come back to us to occupy spaces that was

4931
07:16:02,900 --> 07:16:06,280
right so like I am with you and this is the first time that we have offered

4932
07:16:06,280 --> 07:16:09,520
concessionaire opportunities in a very long time in this county

4933
07:16:09,520 --> 07:16:13,280
to an entirely new company so I echo your sentence and I think you think you

4934
07:16:13,280 --> 07:16:15,780
missed your chair. It's been moving commission according to second of my

4935
07:16:15,780 --> 07:16:21,520
Lopez all in favor signify by saying aye all opposed nay show that item passing

4936
07:16:22,580 --> 07:16:25,220
Vice Chair on 8p9 you're recognized.

4937
07:16:25,460 --> 07:16:29,020
Thank you Mr. Chairman. I will throw my hope. My, my, my pool.

4938
07:16:29,460 --> 07:16:30,520
All right. Would you move it?

4939
07:16:31,540 --> 07:16:32,800
Sure. Vice Chair moves the item.

4940
07:16:32,940 --> 07:16:35,760
Seconded by Commissioner Gilbert on favor signify by say I.

4941
07:16:36,460 --> 07:16:40,580
I'll oppose nay. Show it. Passing.

4942
07:16:42,860 --> 07:16:43,740
I've got.

4943
07:16:43,740 --> 07:16:44,840
Ninety five was released.

4944
07:16:45,940 --> 07:16:47,820
Or no. Ninety five was released.

4945
07:16:48,000 --> 07:16:48,840
And we passed that already.

4946
07:16:48,840 --> 07:16:57,160
Okay, I have 111, Commissioner from District 5, you're recognized on the AMI reassessment.

4947
07:16:57,500 --> 07:17:03,280
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to congratulate Commissioner Bustian.

4948
07:17:03,440 --> 07:17:08,820
She is the chair of the Housing Committee and has done an amazing job drilling down on area median income.

4949
07:17:09,020 --> 07:17:11,820
I'm really grateful to see this item come before us.

4950
07:17:12,120 --> 07:17:18,820
And I will say that even within my commission district, and I think it's important that we know that

4951
07:17:18,820 --> 07:17:24,180
the report calls for them to do AMI by Commission District. I would almost say you got a drill

4952
07:17:24,180 --> 07:17:30,960
down even further. So, Brickle and Little Havana are continuous communities. And the AMI and

4953
07:17:30,960 --> 07:17:37,280
Brickle is not the same as the AMI and Little Havana. And as you move around my district and I'm sure

4954
07:17:37,280 --> 07:17:43,480
the same goes to your districts. My district is incredibly diverse and the AMI within my district

4955
07:17:43,480 --> 07:18:13,100
is really something that I've been struggling with and so hopefully as we drill down for this item by commission district that maybe we'll get maybe census tracks or zip codes because honestly it has been incredibly hard to say that in district five the AMI is the same it is not so I look forward to working with commissioner busion as she continues her work leading the discussion on AMI

4956
07:18:13,480 --> 07:18:16,000
Thank you, Commissioner Bustian, I move the item.

4957
07:18:17,320 --> 07:18:19,520
May I be at it as a sponsor, please?

4958
07:18:20,160 --> 07:18:20,820
Oh, yes.

4959
07:18:21,100 --> 07:18:21,620
Thank you.

4960
07:18:21,760 --> 07:18:24,200
Well, I mean, I'm no one to say yes, but yes.

4961
07:18:24,640 --> 07:18:26,180
Sure, I'm a sponsor as a sponsor.

4962
07:18:28,020 --> 07:18:28,220
All right.

4963
07:18:28,420 --> 07:18:29,500
So we have a motion.

4964
07:18:30,340 --> 07:18:33,920
We have a second, a motion by Commissioner Lopez, second by.

4965
07:18:34,460 --> 07:18:34,820
Second.

4966
07:18:34,940 --> 07:18:35,500
Be over.

4967
07:18:36,200 --> 07:18:38,220
All in favor, signify by say and aye.

4968
07:18:38,940 --> 07:18:40,080
All opposed, nay.

4969
07:18:40,420 --> 07:18:41,120
She's the chair.

4970
07:18:42,000 --> 07:18:43,820
There's someone here from the PA's office.

4971
07:18:44,180 --> 07:18:45,100
Okay, thank you for that.

4972
07:18:45,500 --> 07:18:51,840
May the person from the PA's office approach on 8K4.

4973
07:18:54,250 --> 07:18:56,270
May the representative from the PA's office approach.

4974
07:19:02,490 --> 07:19:03,650
Yeah, that would be

4975
07:19:06,660 --> 07:19:07,000
you.

4976
07:19:07,080 --> 07:19:08,300
Please say your name.

4977
07:19:09,460 --> 07:19:10,100
And title.

4978
07:19:11,260 --> 07:19:14,140
And we have a question for you on 8K4.

4979
07:19:14,280 --> 07:19:16,340
Commissioner Gilbert, you're recognized for Q&A.

4980
07:19:17,020 --> 07:19:20,440
Yeah, I'm just, I'm trying to figure out over here.

4981
07:19:21,300 --> 07:19:24,540
Now, to your right, you're right. Right here.

4982
07:19:24,920 --> 07:19:26,480
Oh, okay. Sorry.

4983
07:19:26,940 --> 07:19:27,800
Oh, this is going to be interesting.

4984
07:19:30,040 --> 07:19:34,240
Okay. You all are, we're going to be sharing, I guess,

4985
07:19:34,540 --> 07:19:35,940
Social Security numbers with you.

4986
07:19:35,960 --> 07:19:36,240
All right.

4987
07:19:36,900 --> 07:19:40,120
And I'm told that you need that to do what?

4988
07:19:40,920 --> 07:19:43,740
Okay, so let me start off by saying that first of all,

4989
07:19:43,880 --> 07:19:46,820
we're afternoon and thanks for waiting for us.

4990
07:19:46,820 --> 07:19:54,790
It was a, you know, we're on our way down, but typically we do have social security numbers the reason why we're requesting this is

4991
07:19:55,080 --> 07:19:59,960
Because we need to match what we have in existence in our records with what the

4992
07:20:00,000 --> 07:20:07,100
PACD can give us and basically determine whether they are in compliance or not in compliance.

4993
07:20:08,280 --> 07:20:16,120
So this already we had in the past disagreement with PACD since, if I recall correctly 2013,

4994
07:20:16,820 --> 07:20:22,300
but since our office became constitutional, so now we need an MOU or a memorandum agreement,

4995
07:20:22,960 --> 07:20:26,240
and basically that's why we're here. It was already approved.

4996
07:20:26,240 --> 07:20:32,960
the resolution is there, but we're basically expanding a little bit more to include a couple of extra items.

4997
07:20:36,140 --> 07:20:41,620
I'm not sure that actually answered the question why you need social security numbers.

4998
07:20:42,080 --> 07:20:44,620
Basically, because you always had them.

4999
07:20:44,620 --> 07:20:52,500
No, we have on our records the social security number of every individual requesting and receiving exemption benefits.

5000
07:20:52,500 --> 07:21:00,980
So, the section A provides the voucher, the program, and all of that, and provides landlords and tenants.

5001
07:21:01,380 --> 07:21:01,940
It's good.

5002
07:21:02,500 --> 07:21:02,760
One second.

5003
07:21:02,980 --> 07:21:05,980
Guys, can we lower the chatter in the back from staff?

5004
07:21:06,680 --> 07:21:09,880
We can, even though up here on the days, can't hear the gentleman answer.

5005
07:21:10,400 --> 07:21:11,020
Continue, please.

5006
07:21:11,620 --> 07:21:11,820
I'm sorry.

5007
07:21:13,020 --> 07:21:20,500
And then we get this information from PACD, and we can verify the landlords are claiming improperly,

5008
07:21:20,500 --> 07:21:25,260
properly homesick exemption, pretending that they are using their properties as homesick

5009
07:21:25,260 --> 07:21:28,940
properties when in fact, they are renting it out through the program.

5010
07:21:29,820 --> 07:21:35,160
So the only way to identify this individual's and situations is through the Social Security

5011
07:21:35,160 --> 07:21:39,780
number, because we already have the Social Security number and besides is required by law by

5012
07:21:39,780 --> 07:21:40,220
statute.

5013
07:21:42,220 --> 07:21:47,740
So it's not the only way I can think of one way, almost immediately, if someone list a

5014
07:21:47,740 --> 07:21:55,340
that with an address and that address is also listed on a voucher, you know that there's

5015
07:21:55,340 --> 07:21:58,300
a inconsistency and you can do it without a social security number.

5016
07:21:58,460 --> 07:22:02,200
You don't need a social security number do that, that's why I'm asking what you need it for.

5017
07:22:02,420 --> 07:22:06,200
Right, by the way, we have to collect the social security number, it's in the Statue 11,

5018
07:22:06,240 --> 07:22:11,620
I see it's only 11, that the Department of Revenue implemented this in 2001, so we collect

5019
07:22:11,620 --> 07:22:13,100
the social security numbers.

5020
07:22:13,100 --> 07:22:16,040
It is one of the ways exactly as you're seeing.

5021
07:22:16,680 --> 07:22:20,480
However, we could risk finding someone

5022
07:22:20,480 --> 07:22:23,840
improperly because there's mistakes, the names, sometimes

5023
07:22:23,840 --> 07:22:27,520
you know, it could be a mistake with the names or something like that.

5024
07:22:28,560 --> 07:22:31,220
So, and the homes that is individual, you know,

5025
07:22:31,380 --> 07:22:35,060
not necessarily in a property could be like multiple individuals

5026
07:22:35,060 --> 07:22:37,840
and the homes that are essentially belong to one of them,

5027
07:22:37,960 --> 07:22:39,320
not to the whole household.

5028
07:22:39,320 --> 07:22:57,760
And therefore, we need to know who's the one, you know, violating if, that's the case, the law and the best identifier is a social security number, which by the way, as I mentioned before, we already had this with PhDD and the only reason why we're here is because we can't do this.

5029
07:22:58,000 --> 07:23:04,220
I appreciate your constitutional ops now. I appreciate that you've always gotten this. And now it's before us and I'm reviewing it.

5030
07:23:04,220 --> 07:23:08,760
saying I don't know that you actually need it to do what you're saying that you need to do.

5031
07:23:09,900 --> 07:23:15,100
So if you're giving them them and it's associated with people who are having vouchers or housing

5032
07:23:15,100 --> 07:23:19,260
and you want to check it for some versus someone who's claiming homestead,

5033
07:23:20,820 --> 07:23:24,240
almost direct line from point A to point B is the actual address.

5034
07:23:26,160 --> 07:23:30,740
And so I get what you're saying. Are you telling us the statute requires us to give you the

5035
07:23:30,740 --> 07:23:38,020
Social security number. No, the session requires call to collect the social security. It requires it or it allows it. So that requires it

5036
07:23:38,020 --> 07:23:43,740
So if it requires that then then that's the only answer it requires it, but if it doesn't require that and I'm going to call

5037
07:23:43,740 --> 07:23:48,840
Look at the attorneys and they're going to tell me whether it requires us to give you the social security number. No, that's not

5038
07:23:48,840 --> 07:23:54,960
The statute requires us to give you the social security number you all to collect it. What I said is that the statute requires that all the property

5039
07:23:54,960 --> 07:24:01,180
pressure office, collect the Social Security numbers before giving an exemption to anybody else.

5040
07:24:01,580 --> 07:24:07,040
So what I'm saying is that that's the best identifier for us to determine who's in violation

5041
07:24:07,040 --> 07:24:13,220
because a property by the address could be in violation but out of many household members

5042
07:24:13,220 --> 07:24:16,620
we don't know who's the Social Security number associated with that exemption.

5043
07:24:16,720 --> 07:24:20,300
I would love to defer this to actually look at this further.

5044
07:24:21,180 --> 07:24:25,520
It's been moved to the first, I can go like a Mr. Conagans all in favor of the

5045
07:24:25,520 --> 07:24:32,580
deferral signify by saying aye, all opposed nation of the item 8k4, or to the next

5046
07:24:33,800 --> 07:24:39,400
BCC meeting. All right, I've got 11,

5047
07:24:41,880 --> 07:24:45,540
813, and it's supplement. I'm going to start with Senator

5048
07:24:45,540 --> 07:24:50,220
Garcia as not just a pooling commissioner, but the sponsor of the item.

5049
07:24:51,140 --> 07:24:52,360
Senator Garcia.

5050
07:24:54,860 --> 07:24:59,980
Mr Chairman, if we see this item before the supplement that you have before you was.

5051
07:25:00,000 --> 07:25:29,760
To address some of the concerns that were brought up at the last kind of commission, it has to do with the truck parking, I know commission of communities has serious reservations for it, because it is district where we're making the amendments to ensure that we don't violate the law, but give flexibility to the administration to ensure that we use the connection of different parcels to need the letter of the law.

5052
07:25:30,000 --> 07:25:35,960
as it relates to the 10 acres and when we look back in history we look at the study that was

5053
07:25:35,960 --> 07:25:41,560
conducted some years ago where they said where the administration said that the really the only

5054
07:25:41,560 --> 07:25:47,660
number of acres that needed to satisfy parking would have been two acres and obviously we went

5055
07:25:47,660 --> 07:25:53,240
up to 10 acres for minimum parking and the reality is members that we've had it back and forth.

5056
07:25:53,600 --> 07:25:59,980
I see this really as about all between David and Goliath and this is the issue that we

5057
07:25:59,980 --> 07:26:03,780
have before you, this is why you see this up, but something to the amendment that has before

5058
07:26:05,200 --> 07:26:10,060
you to to to to to vote it up or down, and I'm sure commissioner for me just is going

5059
07:26:10,060 --> 07:26:11,760
to have some words to this.

5060
07:26:14,670 --> 07:26:19,450
Okay. I got a lot to say, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Senator. I have

5061
07:26:19,450 --> 07:26:25,750
a lot to say. Let's begin by this. Let's be cordial. Just be cordial. There's little

5062
07:26:25,750 --> 07:26:30,690
Moving in by this, these are the records from the court cases that this county has had

5063
07:26:30,690 --> 07:26:34,930
reference to the particular group that has led to this item.

5064
07:26:35,630 --> 07:26:39,110
So the narrative that you may have heard is that this is about helping small truck parking

5065
07:26:39,110 --> 07:26:42,890
operations come into compliance as they are operating legally because they do not meet

5066
07:26:42,890 --> 07:26:43,790
the Taneca requirement.

5067
07:26:44,530 --> 07:26:48,010
By the way, I want to stress that I was not here when the Taneca requirement was voted upon

5068
07:26:48,010 --> 07:26:54,030
but anyways, I know that we want to paint it as David versus Goliath, small acre job

5069
07:26:54,030 --> 07:26:58,270
versus large, you know, acreage operators.

5070
07:26:58,630 --> 07:26:59,910
If this was the only issue,

5071
07:27:00,430 --> 07:27:03,490
I would not be so vehemally opposed, respectfully.

5072
07:27:04,410 --> 07:27:06,150
But it goes far beyond that.

5073
07:27:06,370 --> 07:27:09,430
First, this is an issue there primarily impacts my district,

5074
07:27:10,030 --> 07:27:12,170
as the item clearly states that it seeks

5075
07:27:12,170 --> 07:27:13,650
to allow commercial vehicle storage,

5076
07:27:13,830 --> 07:27:15,970
west of the term Pike and North of Okhi Chilby Road

5077
07:27:15,970 --> 07:27:19,150
by aggregating parts with their at least four acres and size.

5078
07:27:20,030 --> 07:27:22,830
Second, we would be directing staff

5079
07:27:22,830 --> 07:27:28,590
to file a CDMP application on behalf of a group of private individuals who are engaging not only

5080
07:27:28,590 --> 07:27:32,650
any legal truck parking. Operations, but who have also have numerous

5081
07:27:32,650 --> 07:27:38,290
egregious environmental violations spanning decades, some as early as 2007. Where are you

5082
07:27:38,290 --> 07:27:43,730
lower Reynolds? Now, the majority of these operations are under multiple consent decrees for

5083
07:27:43,730 --> 07:27:47,930
invite. She's an nice chair. The majority of these operations are under multiple consent decrees for

5084
07:27:47,930 --> 07:27:52,530
environmental issues such as unpromitted underground bay for performing mechanical work on

5085
07:27:52,530 --> 07:27:57,430
commercial trucks, numerous unpromitted structures that have that have electrical service.

5086
07:27:57,970 --> 07:28:02,990
In proper disposal of a hazardous materials and liquid waste, such as motor oil, antifreeze

5087
07:28:02,990 --> 07:28:08,470
and holding tanks filled with unidentified liquid attached to mobile homes, paving without

5088
07:28:08,470 --> 07:28:11,030
permits, oh, and best of all.

5089
07:28:11,890 --> 07:28:16,090
This has been done in truly environmentally, since it had wet land areas.

5090
07:28:16,570 --> 07:28:21,670
Not unlike some other areas where we've approved truck parking right by applicants that have

5091
07:28:21,670 --> 07:28:27,650
period in front of us. So why is there no outrage? In essence, we are directing staff to

5092
07:28:27,650 --> 07:28:32,370
follow CDMP application that will be a text amendment outside the UDB legalizing these

5093
07:28:32,370 --> 07:28:36,530
illegal operators who have been blatantly engaged in violating our land-use zoning and environmental

5094
07:28:36,530 --> 07:28:43,010
regulations. So this is not about equity. If it was about fairness, I'd be in favor of this

5095
07:28:43,010 --> 07:28:49,430
but it's not just not about fairness or equity. It not only enables bad actors, it legitimizes

5096
07:28:49,430 --> 07:28:54,270
them. We are sending a clear message to them. Keep doing what you're doing. We don't care.

5097
07:28:54,710 --> 07:28:58,930
We change the rules for you. That appears to be what the attorney said before I get into

5098
07:28:58,930 --> 07:29:05,750
what the judge said. Do you think this is going to encourage somebody who hasn't taken care of

5099
07:29:05,750 --> 07:29:13,210
these issues since the year 2019 at a minimum to do anything? No. So we're going to instruct staff

5100
07:29:13,210 --> 07:29:17,030
to pause enforcement even the legal proceedings which I'm going to get to in a second.

5101
07:29:17,990 --> 07:29:25,710
So we had to tell you the people this county, those that don't follow our rules, hey, don't follow the rules.

5102
07:29:26,290 --> 07:29:30,330
And those that invest and follow the rules, hey, it doesn't pay to follow the rules.

5103
07:29:30,810 --> 07:29:35,970
After all, all you got to do is go to the board of county commissioners and we'll figure out a way to satisfy it.

5104
07:29:36,010 --> 07:29:45,210
I would expect the mayor to veto this, but I want to touch upon something that's really, really important because I've given you a copy of the honorable judge,

5105
07:29:45,210 --> 07:29:48,830
Jason Demetris's most recent hearing.

5106
07:29:51,280 --> 07:29:54,820
I'm going to start by the fact on his ruling.

5107
07:29:56,120 --> 07:29:59,980
Instead, she's interested in seeking political favors or changes in the law to allow

5108
07:30:00,000 --> 07:30:06,560
I want to continue destroying the environment and violating clear requirements. And we had our attorneys

5109
07:30:06,560 --> 07:30:13,040
here at the hearing. So, because our attorney and his, his or her utmost knowledge said, well, you

5110
07:30:13,040 --> 07:30:19,100
know, the board of kind of commissioners there, they're going to take care of it. And this is a quote from the

5111
07:30:19,100 --> 07:30:29,980
Honorable George Jason, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Arnold judge Jason Demutters. This is a case of a

5112
07:30:29,980 --> 07:30:35,940
towards compliance. But instead continuing to simply further violate any creases violations with

5113
07:30:35,940 --> 07:30:41,360
virtually no apparent effort to remedy the situation. It's clear to the court that the defendant

5114
07:30:41,360 --> 07:30:46,140
has no interest, had no interest in remedy in the situation except to keep violating and keep

5115
07:30:46,140 --> 07:30:51,480
accepting right for the drugs and continually violating the county's requirements and her own agreement.

5116
07:30:51,480 --> 07:30:55,820
from 2019, by the way, which is the time that,

5117
07:30:57,240 --> 07:30:59,820
2019, 2021, where things were agreed to,

5118
07:30:59,820 --> 07:31:02,000
and turning to agreements with a still-than-compliant,

5119
07:31:02,580 --> 07:31:03,540
again, quoting the judge,

5120
07:31:04,180 --> 07:31:06,580
that the defendant cannot take money for an illegal activity

5121
07:31:06,580 --> 07:31:08,360
and then simply continue collecting that money

5122
07:31:08,360 --> 07:31:10,320
while continuing violations and claim that the defendant

5123
07:31:10,320 --> 07:31:12,300
is in a difficult situation to come under compliance.

5124
07:31:12,880 --> 07:31:16,180
I'm not going to get into the numbers that were found

5125
07:31:16,180 --> 07:31:18,040
because there was no difficult situation for payment.

5126
07:31:22,010 --> 07:31:24,470
Except to say that she seeks to continue collecting money

5127
07:31:24,470 --> 07:31:29,370
from them, so she has no interest in abiding by her own agreements in the county's rules.

5128
07:31:29,750 --> 07:31:30,630
What a message we're sending.

5129
07:31:31,170 --> 07:31:39,570
Quite offensively, she denied the county inspectors' access in August of 2025 requiring

5130
07:31:39,570 --> 07:31:41,770
that they take pictures through a fence.

5131
07:31:42,610 --> 07:31:43,950
This is after numerous violations.

5132
07:31:44,650 --> 07:31:47,750
That does not suggest someone who is attempting to come their compliance.

5133
07:31:48,310 --> 07:31:51,570
That suggests somebody who is doing their part to avoid compliance.

5134
07:31:51,570 --> 07:31:55,910
She failed to send a check for $5,000 by June 2025.

5135
07:31:56,370 --> 07:32:00,390
She failed to send a check for $10,000 to turn by June of 2025.

5136
07:32:00,990 --> 07:32:04,850
She failed to send a $10,000 check to RER.

5137
07:32:05,530 --> 07:32:08,390
She allowed asphalt to be used as unclean fill

5138
07:32:08,390 --> 07:32:09,930
against wet land requirements,

5139
07:32:10,070 --> 07:32:11,910
commissioning a regular wet land requirements.

5140
07:32:12,550 --> 07:32:15,770
All of these violations in totality are clearly,

5141
07:32:16,430 --> 07:32:18,730
all of these violations in totality are clearly

5142
07:32:18,730 --> 07:32:22,850
and obviously made willfully, she has the money, she has the resources, she has shown

5143
07:32:22,850 --> 07:32:27,970
no effort, she has shown her interest in obstructing the counties, that's us, ability

5144
07:32:27,970 --> 07:32:29,670
to investigate and proceed.

5145
07:32:30,150 --> 07:32:33,470
She has done everything that she can do to the ladies proceedings as long as possible.

5146
07:32:34,030 --> 07:32:39,770
Of course, the court assumes that was to get this to the county commission meeting where

5147
07:32:39,770 --> 07:32:43,770
she can make an attempt to do it right around and that has now failed.

5148
07:32:43,770 --> 07:32:50,270
So, this is not about David versus Goliath with all due respect to my colleague, Senator Garcia.

5149
07:32:51,190 --> 07:32:56,870
This is about people who have violated for over seven years.

5150
07:32:57,790 --> 07:33:03,690
Over seven years, in sensitive, I wish Laura Reynolds was here because apparently she never talks to me about this.

5151
07:33:03,910 --> 07:33:05,550
She only comes to talk about other projects.

5152
07:33:06,210 --> 07:33:10,270
In sensitive areas, and has basically laughed at, as I said, no, I'm not going to do what you say.

5153
07:33:10,270 --> 07:33:12,810
I'm going to let your inspectors in.

5154
07:33:13,430 --> 07:33:17,870
We spent hours and hours, our attorneys have had to go to try to make them comply.

5155
07:33:18,810 --> 07:33:22,770
But this is about, no, I'm sorry, this is about changing the rules.

5156
07:33:23,570 --> 07:33:29,390
This is not about equity, it's not about justice if it was, then it'd be a different story.

5157
07:33:31,370 --> 07:33:36,050
And the quality of life of the people in this county was one of the, I wasn't here again,

5158
07:33:36,390 --> 07:33:39,010
when some of these changes were made, I believe, is 10 acres.

5159
07:33:39,630 --> 07:33:58,990
And the bottom line is whether it was 10 acres, four, or 15, whatever number it is, there is no way in this world that some of you would stay silent and say, okay, this is a great run around on our rules and our laws because this is what it is.

5160
07:33:58,990 --> 07:34:06,840
This is what it is. So everybody's just going to line up. They're going to come around and say, you know, and at this point if if if we are going to

5161
07:34:08,230 --> 07:34:13,190
Amen this I'm even going to get into the fact I reiterate that it is in my district because I'm the one impact

5162
07:34:13,690 --> 07:34:15,660
These just thing for me would be oh, you know

5163
07:34:16,950 --> 07:34:22,050
You know, it's it's going along to get along, but like I said the other day when

5164
07:34:22,810 --> 07:34:24,620
Commissioner Gilbert we were saying

5165
07:34:25,710 --> 07:34:28,330
The early goodbye to him

5166
07:34:28,990 --> 07:34:33,870
when we honor them the other day. I don't go along to get along for church. No, I know the portrait

5167
07:34:33,870 --> 07:34:38,630
did, but we don't but I don't go along to get along because this is not about fairness and justice.

5168
07:34:39,250 --> 07:34:43,850
And think of the message that you guys will be sending. Think of the message. No, he looked good. I

5169
07:34:43,850 --> 07:34:47,670
had here three portraits, but we got it right. Okay, but that he looks good on that one. But the bottom

5170
07:34:47,670 --> 07:34:52,050
line is if you want to see the first two rounds or up on my mural dot com. Okay.

5171
07:34:54,110 --> 07:34:55,230
Listen, we're going to end

5172
07:34:55,230 --> 07:34:59,970
whatever that is because I'm gonna tell you right now if we do this

5173
07:35:00,000 --> 07:35:09,660
We are sending the wrong message to the people of this county. Break the rules, break the laws, and you can get away with it.

5174
07:35:09,920 --> 07:35:25,500
So again, I hope, and I guess they're all gone, because after all, I guess they're all gone, because wetlands is apparently, I don't know, maybe I'll have to find out what the Everglades Foundation defines its wetlands.

5175
07:35:25,500 --> 07:35:30,460
But you've got somebody violating our wetlands on the urban development boundary.

5176
07:35:31,100 --> 07:35:37,400
Not only that, but violating our rules, taking our attorneys times, the nine are code compliance,

5177
07:35:38,080 --> 07:35:40,580
our officers from even going in and taking the pictures.

5178
07:35:41,500 --> 07:35:44,440
And we are going to say, okay, yes.

5179
07:35:44,900 --> 07:35:48,840
I find that, you know, there was a movie, maybe before some of your time, but it's a great movie,

5180
07:35:48,920 --> 07:35:50,580
but I'm going to call the apocalypse now.

5181
07:35:51,220 --> 07:35:54,220
And one of the scenes, the guy says, oh, the horror.

5182
07:35:54,660 --> 07:35:57,680
When I saw this, I said, oh, the harbor.

5183
07:35:58,900 --> 07:36:03,700
In my district, with all due respect, somebody comes in and says, well, this is going

5184
07:36:03,700 --> 07:36:06,680
to be, you know, it's about equity, it's about David versus Goliath.

5185
07:36:06,780 --> 07:36:07,320
No, it's not.

5186
07:36:07,320 --> 07:36:08,420
It's not about David versus Goliath.

5187
07:36:08,600 --> 07:36:10,160
It's about the right thing and the wrong thing.

5188
07:36:10,580 --> 07:36:12,520
And what's right, and what's wrong is wrong.

5189
07:36:12,760 --> 07:36:13,160
Period.

5190
07:36:13,540 --> 07:36:15,680
Now, if you guys want to change it, that's fine.

5191
07:36:15,880 --> 07:36:23,220
But I'm voting note, note, and double note, and you will forever, forever, forever,

5192
07:36:23,880 --> 07:36:28,540
make sure that the attorneys that represent us will never be able to enforce some of these things

5193
07:36:28,540 --> 07:36:33,380
because the excuse is always going to be the same. I'm just going to figure out a way around it

5194
07:36:34,320 --> 07:36:40,840
through changes in the county commission. And that to me is not the reason I was elected.

5195
07:36:41,540 --> 07:36:47,200
Again, if it was fairness and equity, I'd be more happy to say yes, but it's not.

5196
07:36:49,060 --> 07:36:52,360
And I'm sorry, it just doesn't make any sense.

5197
07:36:52,540 --> 07:36:54,520
And on this one, I'm very abusive about it.

5198
07:36:54,620 --> 07:36:56,040
And up until that triple-no,

5199
07:36:56,120 --> 07:36:57,340
Commissioner Steinberg had concerns

5200
07:36:57,340 --> 07:36:59,140
whether you were a yes or a no on this.

5201
07:36:59,360 --> 07:37:02,200
But for the triple-no, Commissioner Steinberg

5202
07:37:02,860 --> 07:37:03,740
wasn't aware.

5203
07:37:07,270 --> 07:37:08,170
What did you say?

5204
07:37:08,670 --> 07:37:10,090
Just did whatever I said.

5205
07:37:10,110 --> 07:37:11,510
You always did also just did.

5206
07:37:12,110 --> 07:37:13,150
Hey, it's getting late.

5207
07:37:13,250 --> 07:37:13,830
It's going to be what?

5208
07:37:13,830 --> 07:37:14,410
For a clock.

5209
07:37:16,370 --> 07:37:17,330
Look, I understand.

5210
07:37:17,410 --> 07:37:18,350
I'm going to recognize my colleagues

5211
07:37:18,350 --> 07:37:24,110
to speak, of course. I'm sure Senator Garcia may want to speak at the end after listening

5212
07:37:24,110 --> 07:37:29,810
to everybody again. You know, first of all, I understand when you're seeing Commissioner

5213
07:37:29,810 --> 07:37:34,470
Vermeerism and I agree with a lot of it. I think, and I'm not here to defend Senator

5214
07:37:34,470 --> 07:37:38,190
Garcia. I think we're all big boys and we could, you know, kind of speak for ourselves.

5215
07:37:39,310 --> 07:37:44,150
No, no, I don't know. I'm just, I think the idea of folks circumventing certain

5216
07:37:44,150 --> 07:37:46,530
I mean, that's, that's, that's, we're never going to stop that, right?

5217
07:37:46,570 --> 07:37:47,330
They hire lobbyists.

5218
07:37:47,430 --> 07:37:47,930
They come to us.

5219
07:37:48,010 --> 07:37:50,210
I mean, that's what this body's here for, is it's to kind of

5220
07:37:50,210 --> 07:37:53,170
legislate on that, you know, the district thing.

5221
07:37:53,330 --> 07:37:54,190
I can, I can, I can see that.

5222
07:37:54,250 --> 07:37:56,650
I can also see the argument of, this is like a county-wide issue,

5223
07:37:56,810 --> 07:38:01,210
not just, but I understand that at least some sort of

5224
07:38:01,210 --> 07:38:03,910
co-sponsorship or, or, or dialogue should have taken place.

5225
07:38:04,070 --> 07:38:05,250
I get it, I get it.

5226
07:38:05,250 --> 07:38:07,310
But I know that you, like you pointed out,

5227
07:38:07,410 --> 07:38:10,070
Commissioner Regalado's anxious to talk about wetlands and all

5228
07:38:10,070 --> 07:38:10,630
that good stuff.

5229
07:38:11,450 --> 07:38:13,010
So, let's go to Commissioner Regalado.

5230
07:38:13,010 --> 07:38:19,150
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm going to echo some of my colleagues' points. I will say this.

5231
07:38:20,530 --> 07:38:26,010
While I appreciate persistence and you've brought this item many, many times. Last time it came before us,

5232
07:38:26,230 --> 07:38:31,270
we brought up the point that this particular, that this was, this was being moved by a particular actor.

5233
07:38:31,790 --> 07:38:36,650
And that this actor had a series of violations. Since then, we have a lot more information.

5234
07:38:36,650 --> 07:38:42,430
and this is a particularly egregious case. The County Commission spent a lot of time with

5235
07:38:42,430 --> 07:38:50,050
staff establishing a rule. That rule establishes a particular acreage and also other rules that

5236
07:38:50,050 --> 07:38:55,270
have to be followed. People have paid a lot of money and gone through a very complex process in order

5237
07:38:55,270 --> 07:39:01,450
to have truck parking. And now we have this one particular bad actor and my favorite quote from

5238
07:39:02,410 --> 07:39:09,630
The judge is that in this case, the defendant is attempting to change the law instead of her conduct.

5239
07:39:10,490 --> 07:39:12,230
And I really think that that's what this is about.

5240
07:39:12,670 --> 07:39:19,830
This is a bad actor who has time and time and time again violated our wetland rules.

5241
07:39:20,250 --> 07:39:22,390
And when we talk about wetlands, I'll just say this.

5242
07:39:22,430 --> 07:39:25,570
It's important because it impacts the October water line.

5243
07:39:25,570 --> 07:39:33,650
it's important because this type of complete and total blatant disregard for what should be

5244
07:39:33,650 --> 07:39:41,250
happening in that area, it hurts our water. So, you know, it's not, I understand that,

5245
07:39:41,250 --> 07:39:46,470
you know, they may not agree with the decision that was made, but a lot of people are complying

5246
07:39:46,470 --> 07:39:52,450
and why can't this person complying? And what we're doing here is not only giving a bad actor,

5247
07:39:52,450 --> 07:39:59,730
a win fall. We're changing this for no reason because we have yet to determine other than this particular person is short and acre.

5248
07:40:00,000 --> 07:40:11,340
What the reason is for changing the rules? In fact, the rules were established because of the turning radius and the importance of having a particular size in order for those trucks to be able to get in and out.

5249
07:40:11,700 --> 07:40:19,040
It wasn't an arbitrary decision. It was a decision that was thought out and made with the industry.

5250
07:40:19,620 --> 07:40:24,000
And of course, when that decision was made, there were people left out and that always happens.

5251
07:40:24,000 --> 07:40:27,940
So while I understand the chair's point that people are always coming to change the rules,

5252
07:40:28,440 --> 07:40:31,820
there's always going to be someone that is left out of a regulation.

5253
07:40:32,160 --> 07:40:35,120
And in this case, it's not just that someone was left out of a regulation,

5254
07:40:35,500 --> 07:40:39,220
and they want us to artificially enhance their property value.

5255
07:40:39,780 --> 07:40:40,800
This is a bad actor.

5256
07:40:41,560 --> 07:40:46,260
And just on that point, I hope that this is the last time we get this item.

5257
07:40:46,640 --> 07:40:48,040
Because it's absurd.

5258
07:40:48,440 --> 07:40:50,640
There's other people that are doing a better job.

5259
07:40:50,640 --> 07:41:00,840
Derm works very hard and so does RER, and I think the fact that we keep bringing this up and trying to allow this person to monetize their abuse of the system.

5260
07:41:01,600 --> 07:41:03,780
It's always going to be a no for me on this one.

5261
07:41:11,260 --> 07:41:11,460
All right.

5262
07:41:11,600 --> 07:41:12,100
Senator Garcia.

5263
07:41:12,660 --> 07:41:13,560
If I may.

5264
07:41:13,700 --> 07:41:14,040
You may.

5265
07:41:14,360 --> 07:41:15,220
And I appreciate.

5266
07:41:15,440 --> 07:41:18,280
Appreciate the comments and concerns and commission committees.

5267
07:41:19,000 --> 07:41:20,640
You're not far off because you know what?

5268
07:41:21,160 --> 07:41:22,580
You're district absolutely.

5269
07:41:23,160 --> 07:41:29,620
There is a lot of illegal parking, and there is a lot of a grieges, I mean I say grieges.

5270
07:41:30,980 --> 07:41:35,420
You have ace trucking that's out there, you have parking that's out there, you have the

5271
07:41:35,420 --> 07:41:36,980
rock miners that are out there.

5272
07:41:37,100 --> 07:41:41,880
So we talk about wetlands, can't talk about picking shoes where wetlands are good and wetlands

5273
07:41:41,880 --> 07:41:42,660
are not.

5274
07:41:43,400 --> 07:41:52,360
This parcel is between two properties, two properties that are designated the same, but they

5275
07:41:52,360 --> 07:41:56,540
They have not been able to meet the 10 acreage lot.

5276
07:41:57,240 --> 07:42:00,260
The whole thing, the whole genesis of this is not just about one individual.

5277
07:42:00,460 --> 07:42:04,300
I like how we try to turn this about one individual, you know, because they are out there.

5278
07:42:04,320 --> 07:42:06,260
They're the ones that brought this to me, absolutely.

5279
07:42:07,160 --> 07:42:10,600
But it's not just because of their failure to comply.

5280
07:42:10,820 --> 07:42:15,240
The reality is that we have a report before us that says that we need more truck parking.

5281
07:42:15,740 --> 07:42:17,060
We brought a resolution.

5282
07:42:17,080 --> 07:42:21,420
I brought an item before us, and we bifurcated and Commissioner Rodriguez.

5283
07:42:21,420 --> 07:42:24,480
because we made a motion to separate both items

5284
07:42:24,480 --> 07:42:26,400
because we do need more truck parking.

5285
07:42:26,940 --> 07:42:28,720
And then now what I've been able to do

5286
07:42:28,720 --> 07:42:30,900
based on the suggestions that we, yes, sir.

5287
07:42:32,220 --> 07:42:33,980
I'm sorry, Chairman Rajeex, I apologize for that.

5288
07:42:34,220 --> 07:42:34,540
Mr. Chairman.

5289
07:42:35,900 --> 07:42:37,120
At Senator, by the way, I'm kidding.

5290
07:42:37,200 --> 07:42:39,800
It's not Senator, it has been, it is where it is.

5291
07:42:40,020 --> 07:42:42,380
And now it's good, we're going to go, you win, you win, you win.

5292
07:42:43,200 --> 07:42:45,660
But the reality is that we need more truck parking

5293
07:42:45,660 --> 07:42:47,740
in this community, we do need it.

5294
07:42:47,960 --> 07:42:49,560
And the truck parking that we're trying to go out

5295
07:42:49,560 --> 07:42:53,900
to make sure that we help the people that live in my district, the people that live in your

5296
07:42:53,900 --> 07:42:57,580
district and people live in our district, to make sure that they can afford a truck parking.

5297
07:42:58,140 --> 07:43:00,000
We have truck parkings out there that are huge.

5298
07:43:00,520 --> 07:43:04,680
They are going to cost more money to truck to park their trucks.

5299
07:43:05,160 --> 07:43:05,780
Why now?

5300
07:43:05,880 --> 07:43:09,540
And I do agree with your commission of remuters that they should have come into compliance.

5301
07:43:09,640 --> 07:43:13,100
This is why I did look into and they have removed the asphalt.

5302
07:43:13,280 --> 07:43:14,800
They have removed the trucks.

5303
07:43:15,060 --> 07:43:16,380
They are doing a water retention.

5304
07:43:16,380 --> 07:43:19,320
And that's just one parcel.

5305
07:43:20,120 --> 07:43:21,900
But the reality is that we need more.

5306
07:43:22,740 --> 07:43:24,060
And when we look at the study,

5307
07:43:24,240 --> 07:43:26,500
when we look at some of the comments that were made,

5308
07:43:26,900 --> 07:43:27,940
we don't need them anymore.

5309
07:43:28,400 --> 07:43:30,240
You know why we don't need any more truck parking

5310
07:43:30,240 --> 07:43:32,080
because it's the big guys that are out there.

5311
07:43:32,380 --> 07:43:34,460
All these big facilities that are investing

5312
07:43:34,460 --> 07:43:36,760
all this money in that they don't want to do it over here.

5313
07:43:37,180 --> 07:43:38,420
What all of us have been,

5314
07:43:38,420 --> 07:43:39,980
every single one of us has been lobbied.

5315
07:43:40,580 --> 07:43:42,900
I'm sure every one of us has been lobbied.

5316
07:43:42,900 --> 07:43:50,400
by one side because they have the money, they have the lobbyist, that's who they have.

5317
07:43:51,080 --> 07:43:55,520
But the reality is that we look at a study, we look at it and by the way, the people

5318
07:43:55,520 --> 07:44:00,180
that are lobbying you are my friends too, but it's trying to figure out how do we make

5319
07:44:00,180 --> 07:44:00,680
this happen?

5320
07:44:00,680 --> 07:44:01,780
How do we make it work?

5321
07:44:02,320 --> 07:44:07,100
And the reality is that this study right here, as says the results in truck parking

5322
07:44:07,100 --> 07:44:12,400
facilities can accommodate a minimum of 20 traders to acres per site, although there has

5323
07:44:12,400 --> 07:44:15,800
They know, let me see where it is here,

5324
07:44:18,620 --> 07:44:22,680
that with all you need with a minimum acreage is the two acres.

5325
07:44:22,980 --> 07:44:24,440
So it could facilitate it, folks.

5326
07:44:25,940 --> 07:44:31,340
I get it, I get the arguments that you're making, but the reality is that this is a David

5327
07:44:31,340 --> 07:44:32,420
against Goliath.

5328
07:44:32,740 --> 07:44:38,160
It really is, because when we look at the arguments that have been made, oh, we don't need

5329
07:44:38,160 --> 07:44:38,680
to do this.

5330
07:44:38,920 --> 07:44:42,680
Oh, this is, we're giving someone a special protection, we do it all the time and we bring

5331
07:44:42,680 --> 07:44:48,000
variance to the board. Every time we bring a variance to the board, we're getting someone

5332
07:44:48,000 --> 07:44:54,660
a favorite, doing a favorite for someone. That's exactly what it is. So look, I know we

5333
07:44:54,660 --> 07:44:59,420
have been lobbied on this, I get it, I get the issue, but it really is a conscious decision

5334
07:44:59,420 --> 07:44:59,960
that we have to...

5335
07:45:00,000 --> 07:45:05,440
Make on this. And it's whether or not do we go ahead and try to help with someone that

5336
07:45:05,440 --> 07:45:10,580
remains just absolutely right. But they have met, they have gone back and they have brought

5337
07:45:10,580 --> 07:45:15,840
compliance to their property. And just remember, the people that we have out there are, we

5338
07:45:15,840 --> 07:45:20,160
have one to the left, we have a truck parking to the left, and I think maybe we have rock minors

5339
07:45:20,160 --> 07:45:24,940
to the right. It's simple as that. So to use the environmental issues, or we see all these things

5340
07:45:24,940 --> 07:45:29,920
that are happening out there, I think, is a red herring, Mr. Chairman, I do ask for your consideration

5341
07:45:29,920 --> 07:45:36,380
on this, and I do appreciate your indulgence on bringing this item four before, before this

5342
07:45:36,380 --> 07:45:40,540
board, and at the end of the day we do need, I just want to reiterate the part about the

5343
07:45:40,540 --> 07:45:45,100
truck parking, folks we need it more, we need more truck parking, simple as that, and if we

5344
07:45:45,100 --> 07:45:49,540
can help this group come into compliance and we can help it with this legislation, there

5345
07:45:49,540 --> 07:45:54,340
would increase, and it's not changing the law about the ten acres, all we're doing is

5346
07:45:54,340 --> 07:45:58,800
asking, because we're bringing this one person into it, but the reality is that what we're

5347
07:45:58,800 --> 07:46:05,000
doing with this is saying, all right, so it's ten acres. Let's give the administration some flexibility

5348
07:46:05,000 --> 07:46:11,040
as how we meet those ten acres. And at least one parcel has to be at least four acres.

5349
07:46:11,480 --> 07:46:15,440
That's what it is. So Mr. Chairman, I call the question and ask for the vote.

5350
07:46:15,900 --> 07:46:20,120
Is this, I guess, yeah, you could call the question, sure. I had a question, but it's fine.

5351
07:46:21,260 --> 07:46:22,840
Audent favor, signify by saying aye?

5352
07:46:23,140 --> 07:46:24,460
Aye. I'll appoint you.

5353
07:46:24,460 --> 07:46:24,600
Okay.

5354
07:46:25,240 --> 07:46:25,680
Yeah.

5355
07:46:26,840 --> 07:46:27,780
I get a roll combo.

5356
07:46:28,160 --> 07:46:28,340
Yep.

5357
07:46:30,040 --> 07:46:35,980
Call the, you have un, I had a question too, and I refrains for masking.

5358
07:46:37,840 --> 07:46:38,500
Do you really want to ask?

5359
07:46:38,500 --> 07:46:39,320
Because then I want to ask.

5360
07:46:40,880 --> 07:46:42,100
All right, roll call please.

5361
07:46:43,680 --> 07:46:44,420
I'm sorry.

5362
07:46:45,780 --> 07:46:47,200
Can you just do the roll call?

5363
07:46:47,520 --> 07:46:48,320
Commissioner Gilbert.

5364
07:46:50,160 --> 07:46:51,120
I've got no.

5365
07:46:52,060 --> 07:46:52,880
Commissioner Gonzalez.

5366
07:46:52,880 --> 07:46:54,260
No.

5367
07:46:56,160 --> 07:46:56,660
Commissioner Lopez.

5368
07:46:58,440 --> 07:46:59,480
Commissioner Miliano Orbus.

5369
07:47:00,460 --> 07:47:01,260
Commissioner Regalado.

5370
07:47:01,680 --> 07:47:01,840
No.

5371
07:47:02,440 --> 07:47:03,400
Commissioner Steinberg.

5372
07:47:05,920 --> 07:47:06,700
Commissioner Bastien.

5373
07:47:08,020 --> 07:47:08,640
Commissioner Bermuda.

5374
07:47:10,000 --> 07:47:10,960
Commissioner Cornhiggins.

5375
07:47:11,780 --> 07:47:11,800
No.

5376
07:47:12,660 --> 07:47:13,360
Senator Garcia.

5377
07:47:15,360 --> 07:47:16,560
No, I would have to make a motion to reconsider.

5378
07:47:17,220 --> 07:47:17,520
No, okay.

5379
07:47:19,860 --> 07:47:21,520
I could do that.

5380
07:47:22,080 --> 07:47:22,980
I could do that.

5381
07:47:23,220 --> 07:47:24,200
I could do that.

5382
07:47:24,800 --> 07:47:31,700
He was like no, no, no. No, give me on the second three considered. No, there you go

5383
07:47:32,240 --> 07:47:36,980
That's what you should do. Yes. No, I'm gonna vote. Yes, Mr. Chairman

5384
07:47:37,680 --> 07:47:41,280
Yeah, I don't want him to be alone. I could change my vote. Yes, if you want to be alone

5385
07:47:41,280 --> 07:47:45,800
You think I'm lonely over there. I'm gonna support him just to not leave him alone. Yeah, I'm gonna support him

5386
07:47:45,800 --> 07:47:51,480
Yeah, don't don't give me the mean mugged face commissioner for muters, but I'm gonna support my colleague

5387
07:47:51,480 --> 07:47:53,640
Senator Garcia, so he won't be the only case

5388
07:47:54,340 --> 07:47:56,080
Guys, Chairman McGee.

5389
07:47:59,800 --> 07:48:02,480
Guys, you know, I feel about this, either

5390
07:48:02,480 --> 07:48:04,160
if you vote your conscious vote yes or no,

5391
07:48:04,220 --> 07:48:05,360
I don't take it personal.

5392
07:48:06,080 --> 07:48:08,100
I think it's just, it's just a shame that was happening here,

5393
07:48:08,160 --> 07:48:09,340
but it is what it is.

5394
07:48:14,640 --> 07:48:16,920
Commissioner Gilbert, do I record you as a yes or no?

5395
07:48:17,260 --> 07:48:19,280
You can, you can record me as,

5396
07:48:19,740 --> 07:48:21,680
you can quote me as a yes and I'm going to tell you why.

5397
07:48:22,360 --> 07:48:24,380
I don't necessarily agree with you,

5398
07:48:24,420 --> 07:48:27,440
but Renee, that, your argument that a variance

5399
07:48:27,440 --> 07:48:29,920
is basically doing a favor for someone

5400
07:48:29,920 --> 07:48:37,780
that, that deviates from the rule, I never thought about it like that, but that's just true

5401
07:48:37,780 --> 07:48:48,280
y'all, every time we grant a variance, we're allowing somebody an exception to the rule, a rule

5402
07:48:48,280 --> 07:48:54,780
that we've established as the best policy for the county. And so I don't necessarily agree with

5403
07:48:54,780 --> 07:48:59,260
this project being there. I really don't agree with you doing it in his district. I don't,

5404
07:48:59,260 --> 07:49:06,580
I don't want to be with that so but I think that that was probably the best argument you've ever made in support of something

5405
07:49:06,580 --> 07:49:14,140
I just I just wanted I was amazing it was amazing. It was amazing. It was amazing. It was amazing.

5406
07:49:14,540 --> 07:49:18,060
It was really good and it was profound and it was true

5407
07:49:18,680 --> 07:49:24,200
So no I was like when I was going to ask a question I was actually going to talk about the comments that you were making

5408
07:49:24,200 --> 07:49:36,240
like they can't go through various because in a variance, you're actually following the law and you're asking us after you follow the law and you pay and you come to a hearing, that's what you do.

5409
07:49:37,300 --> 07:49:46,980
All right, that's why after the fact permitting, we do after the fact permitting and so like my point is my point is that it's not something.

5410
07:49:47,720 --> 07:49:52,540
I first thought I think this is a bad actor, and so we shouldn't reward this level of bad acting.

5411
07:49:53,360 --> 07:49:55,180
There's a presidential effect through that, it's horrible.

5412
07:49:56,520 --> 07:49:59,980
But this isn't something that's beyond the scope of something that...

5413
07:50:00,000 --> 07:50:07,300
We've done previously on this board. So I don't want it saying like, oh, we've never done anything like this before. Oh, yes, we have.

5414
07:50:08,360 --> 07:50:20,160
Yeah, we have. So I just, but I'm, I'm comfortable with the, yeah, I'm comfortable with the result. So I, the very good argument though. Can you hear me where the yes you have again? Yes, we have.

5415
07:50:21,160 --> 07:50:25,420
Oh, done. Oh, we've never done anything like this before. Oh, yes, we have.

5416
07:50:27,540 --> 07:50:36,560
I mean, I'm going to look that up because I think we have to go back to 2019 to see how many people broken the rule and still, not whatever.

5417
07:50:37,120 --> 07:50:42,420
All right, clerk, please continue with the roll call and yes, please record all the regret as a yes.

5418
07:50:43,160 --> 07:50:45,780
Motion fails for to eight.

5419
07:50:45,840 --> 07:50:47,300
Wait, never called my name, but.

5420
07:50:47,320 --> 07:50:50,360
Yeah, well, you mentioned that you were, you got it.

5421
07:50:50,640 --> 07:50:55,280
You're on it. You're on it.

5422
07:50:55,280 --> 07:50:57,380
that I don't know, his office is on it.

5423
07:50:57,680 --> 07:51:01,040
All right, so motion fails, but you got more Yays

5424
07:51:01,040 --> 07:51:04,180
than you bargained for, you got more Yays than we thought.

5425
07:51:05,240 --> 07:51:06,340
All right, congratulations, or not?

5426
07:51:06,480 --> 07:51:08,820
I mean, whatever, I don't think so.

5427
07:51:10,580 --> 07:51:14,560
All righty, commissioner from District 8.

5428
07:51:17,020 --> 07:51:20,080
I'm sure from District 8 on 14A4,

5429
07:51:22,900 --> 07:51:23,500
in Phil housing.

5430
07:51:24,120 --> 07:51:25,440
Oh, what is this one?

5431
07:51:25,660 --> 07:51:27,440
This is, oh, I think this is an,

5432
07:51:27,440 --> 07:51:35,460
an extension, no? Yes. So to the attorneys, I'm just, didn't we just pass an item on limiting

5433
07:51:35,460 --> 07:51:44,660
the extensions? Or was that not, this just seems to be in direct contradiction to the ordinance

5434
07:51:44,660 --> 07:51:53,120
that we just passed regarding extensions on our infill housing program. And I believe that the

5435
07:51:53,120 --> 07:51:59,800
original allocation on this was in 2019 or 20 it's been 60 year it could be wrong

5436
07:51:59,800 --> 07:52:05,300
and that's why I'm asking the attorneys so while she looks it up I'll just say

5437
07:52:05,300 --> 07:52:11,280
commissioner yes I believe it is as pertain to the ordinance that we pass this was

5438
07:52:11,280 --> 07:52:15,580
already in process submitted in through the system and there's like a whole system that

5439
07:52:15,580 --> 07:52:23,100
we use this was I know in the process so that's why that's why it's that's why

5440
07:52:23,100 --> 07:52:42,320
Yes commissioner this was originally submitted for March committee the ordinance that passed allows two extensions one year each this particular item would be the second extension, but the first extension was for two years and this extension is for two years and when was the first extension awarded on this particular

5441
07:52:42,320 --> 07:52:44,520
for this particular group of parcels.

5442
07:52:45,440 --> 07:52:52,440
The first extension for this parcel was June 21st, 23, and it expired in March 27th of

5443
07:52:52,440 --> 07:53:01,640
this year, and they submitted the request prior to that, the termination of that extension.

5444
07:53:01,920 --> 07:53:06,760
They submitted the request for the second extension prior to the first extension.

5445
07:53:06,760 --> 07:53:10,840
Yes. They submitted that request. It wasn't due to expire until March of

5446
07:53:12,000 --> 07:53:15,220
2026 and they submitted the request in October of 2025.

5447
07:53:15,620 --> 07:53:16,960
Okay. Thank you. Nothing further, Mr. Chair.

5448
07:53:17,200 --> 07:53:22,580
All right. I have a motion by Commissioner the Vice Chair. Second by Commissioner Bastien

5449
07:53:22,580 --> 07:53:28,440
on favor signify by say and aye. All opposed nay. Show the item passed.

5450
07:53:28,660 --> 07:53:34,380
Commissioner from District 7. I have you on 1482 and then a separate item. I'll call up the next one

5451
07:53:34,380 --> 07:53:36,460
you as well but 1482

5452
07:53:40,620 --> 07:53:42,160
bridge grant application.

5453
07:53:49,040 --> 07:53:50,520
All right, so would you move it at this time

5454
07:53:50,520 --> 07:53:53,300
done? Yeah, I didn't pull that, I'm happy to move it. I should move that commissioner

5455
07:53:53,300 --> 07:54:00,960
Regalado seconded by Commissioner Orbis on favor signify by say I I'll oppose

5456
07:54:00,960 --> 07:54:06,360
name, show it past, are you a pulling commissioner on London Trail 1483? Yeah, I just wanted to say

5457
07:54:06,360 --> 07:54:14,560
something. I want to thank the commissioner for bringing the item. I know the friends of the

5458
07:54:15,180 --> 07:54:18,720
And the only thing that I would say is that the love of them is also in my district.

5459
07:54:19,620 --> 07:54:22,440
So I appreciate that we're moving it forward.

5460
07:54:22,760 --> 07:54:26,400
I hope that we can figure out a way to do it together.

5461
07:54:27,700 --> 07:54:33,780
I am a little concerned about parks doing it and the timing, but hopefully this will get

5462
07:54:33,780 --> 07:54:34,180
are done.

5463
07:54:34,280 --> 07:54:36,300
We've been waiting for the love of them for a long time.

5464
07:54:36,680 --> 07:54:41,360
One of the things that I've mentioned to the groups that I met with is the underlying team

5465
07:54:41,360 --> 07:54:42,760
is going to be done in October.

5466
07:54:42,760 --> 07:54:48,280
and it would make a lot of sense to take that team to help with the love them, given their expertise.

5467
07:54:48,660 --> 07:54:51,880
But if we decide to keep it in parks, so be it.

5468
07:54:52,280 --> 07:54:57,800
But there is a group of people that have been dealing with a lot of these issues inside public works,

5469
07:54:57,900 --> 07:54:59,980
and I hope that we take some of the lessons.

5470
07:55:00,000 --> 07:55:05,840
Members learned from F.D. and the underline so that we can expedite the love them.

5471
07:55:07,750 --> 07:55:08,830
Commissioner Gilbert?

5472
07:55:10,050 --> 07:55:15,370
When you say take the underline team, you mean take the team or take the concept of the kind, because

5473
07:55:16,210 --> 07:55:16,930
what do you mean?

5474
07:55:16,930 --> 07:55:21,390
I'm talking about Irene and the folks that have been working on the underline, the underline

5475
07:55:21,390 --> 07:55:31,530
is done in October, so they have a particular expertise that would be helpful to the

5476
07:55:31,530 --> 07:55:34,950
more and getting another. I don't want them to do that again, but thank you.

5477
07:55:35,310 --> 07:55:41,970
All right. So we have a motion by Commissioner Orbus, second by Commissioner Cohen Higgins.

5478
07:55:42,630 --> 07:55:53,490
All in favor signify by say aye. All opposed nay. Show 1483 passed. All right. I got 14 B1.

5479
07:55:56,270 --> 07:55:59,470
the WASD report, not a mayor.

5480
07:56:00,690 --> 07:56:01,890
You'd like to be recognized.

5481
07:56:02,350 --> 07:56:03,310
Mr. Chair.

5482
07:56:03,650 --> 07:56:06,650
Sorry, I just wanted to thank everybody

5483
07:56:06,650 --> 07:56:08,290
who came here today to speak on it.

5484
07:56:08,390 --> 07:56:11,390
I really appreciate all the community members that came out

5485
07:56:11,390 --> 07:56:14,430
and everybody who's been working on them for many, many years.

5486
07:56:14,750 --> 07:56:16,130
I know some of them had to leave already,

5487
07:56:16,290 --> 07:56:19,150
but I appreciate the great showing that we had

5488
07:56:19,150 --> 07:56:20,830
from our constituents and our community.

5489
07:56:21,150 --> 07:56:21,690
Thank you so much.

5490
07:56:21,690 --> 07:56:25,210
Thank you so much for that comment. Yes, thank you everyone that came out and supported it

5491
07:56:26,050 --> 07:56:30,630
Madam mayor on your was the report 14 B1 is the item number

5492
07:56:30,630 --> 07:56:34,570
Thank you so much. I'm gonna defer to the water guy here water guy

5493
07:56:35,470 --> 07:56:37,710
Is that our WDR?

5494
07:56:37,710 --> 07:56:43,050
Roy Coli Mr Chairman for in respect of the hour. I'll try to summarize the report

5495
07:56:43,810 --> 07:56:47,870
I got a question for you. Yes, sir. So like chief Coli rolled off the tongue

5496
07:56:49,490 --> 07:56:53,450
But how do I depot your mayor coly, like it's just roaring this works better?

5497
07:56:53,690 --> 07:56:54,310
It's a little longer.

5498
07:56:54,350 --> 07:56:55,230
It's too much.

5499
07:56:55,550 --> 07:56:55,690
DM.

5500
07:56:56,750 --> 07:56:57,470
DM coly.

5501
07:56:58,190 --> 07:56:58,550
DMC.

5502
07:56:59,790 --> 07:57:00,510
Run DMC?

5503
07:57:01,890 --> 07:57:03,510
Whatever you say will be the rule.

5504
07:57:03,930 --> 07:57:05,490
You always got such a light spirit man.

5505
07:57:05,750 --> 07:57:06,570
I really like you.

5506
07:57:06,670 --> 07:57:07,590
I got your back.

5507
07:57:07,710 --> 07:57:08,070
Thank you.

5508
07:57:08,090 --> 07:57:09,430
I don't care what they say about you.

5509
07:57:09,470 --> 07:57:10,030
I know it's a lot.

5510
07:57:12,330 --> 07:57:14,930
It no matter what the mayor says, I'm always going to have your back.

5511
07:57:14,930 --> 07:57:17,490
No, she clearly loves you.

5512
07:57:18,650 --> 07:57:20,130
All right, I got my coffee.

5513
07:57:20,210 --> 07:57:22,150
I got some extra whipped cream on the side.

5514
07:57:22,990 --> 07:57:23,930
And also for the sugar.

5515
07:57:24,450 --> 07:57:25,130
It's got some mocha.

5516
07:57:26,210 --> 07:57:26,770
We're good.

5517
07:57:26,990 --> 07:57:27,610
You got the floor.

5518
07:57:28,070 --> 07:57:29,230
All right, thank you, Mr. Chairman.

5519
07:57:29,850 --> 07:57:34,190
In summary of this item, the bottom line is about 30 years ago, the Board of

5520
07:57:34,190 --> 07:57:38,330
County Commission was sued by the Federal Government and the State Government

5521
07:57:38,330 --> 07:57:40,130
for violation of the Clean Water Act.

5522
07:57:40,590 --> 07:57:42,990
As a result of that sued the Board,

5523
07:57:42,990 --> 07:57:46,450
entered into consent decree with the federal government and the state government

5524
07:57:46,450 --> 07:57:51,210
commit to a list of projects, however, they didn't fund those projects and the plan was

5525
07:57:51,210 --> 07:57:58,090
to fund them yearly as the projects were being executed. We're about two years away from

5526
07:57:58,090 --> 07:58:05,910
finishing the entire consent order if we're able to continue on our path. We're under federal oversight

5527
07:58:05,910 --> 07:58:10,790
today, that cost us money every single year that we would like to see ended. And then in addition

5528
07:58:10,790 --> 07:58:17,290
to the consent order in 2007, the state passed legislation that called the Ocean Outfall legislation

5529
07:58:17,990 --> 07:58:23,650
requiring us to reduce the use of ocean outfalls for effluent of our wastewater plants.

5530
07:58:24,750 --> 07:58:30,330
Same thing there, the board was required by the state to submit a plan to the EP, which they

5531
07:58:30,330 --> 07:58:36,210
did, committing to compliance again without committing the money, saying, we'll raise it

5532
07:58:36,210 --> 07:58:37,610
each year as we need it.

5533
07:58:37,610 --> 07:58:52,430
So, the rate increase that has been proposed in the mayor's budget and has been explained in this report is the amount required to go to the bond market to raise the money for this year's bills.

5534
07:58:52,430 --> 07:59:00,510
It's a 6% rate increase that will ultimately parlay into a bond deal to $435 million.

5535
07:59:01,470 --> 07:59:06,530
That's 100% for capital improvements only, no operations money.

5536
07:59:08,250 --> 07:59:13,070
The department has done an amazing job through cutting positions and we quiet down so we

5537
07:59:13,070 --> 07:59:14,770
could listen to the deputy mayor.

5538
07:59:15,310 --> 07:59:20,310
We quiet down in the back, staff, staff, can't we quiet down because I can't even hear

5539
07:59:20,310 --> 07:59:20,870
myself.

5540
07:59:21,550 --> 07:59:21,710
Thank you.

5541
07:59:22,050 --> 07:59:22,410
Thank you, sir.

5542
07:59:22,510 --> 07:59:26,630
The water and sewer department has done an excellent job cutting cost, eliminate positions

5543
07:59:26,630 --> 07:59:32,990
to where they're asking for no increase for operational cost this year, this money will solely be used

5544
07:59:32,990 --> 07:59:39,650
for raising capital. In the event, the board chooses not to approve the mayor's recommendation.

5545
07:59:40,490 --> 07:59:45,970
We have provided that report, the list of projects that cannot go forward. There's a list of ocean

5546
07:59:45,970 --> 07:59:51,650
outfall projects, consent order projects, and other capital improvement needs that just simply

5547
07:59:51,650 --> 07:59:57,830
have to be delayed or canceled, so we put that in the report. We also have a letter that was

5548
07:59:57,830 --> 07:59:59,830
distributed to you earlier today.

5549
08:00:00,050 --> 08:00:09,430
From our bond engineer, who has reported that this is the minimum amount of increase to support the capital improvement needs.

5550
08:00:09,730 --> 08:00:17,870
Our bond engineering consultant is also here today if anyone wants to question them about how they helped us to determine that information.

5551
08:00:19,810 --> 08:00:25,550
We did this in report, we're happy to return at a later date with a resolution for you

5552
08:00:25,550 --> 08:00:29,010
consider vote on it, or we're happy to deal with it during the budget.

5553
08:00:29,530 --> 08:00:32,790
We will take your direction on that and happy to answer any questions.

5554
08:00:35,710 --> 08:00:37,570
Thank you for that, Deputy Mayor.

5555
08:00:40,370 --> 08:00:42,590
Commissioner Colin Higgins on a point of order.

5556
08:00:43,190 --> 08:00:43,710
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

5557
08:00:43,770 --> 08:00:44,230
Point of order.

5558
08:00:44,750 --> 08:00:46,990
What is before us is a report.

5559
08:00:47,550 --> 08:00:51,690
Are you, so I just kind of understand procedurally what is before us?

5560
08:00:52,250 --> 08:00:57,610
It's a report asking, making a recommendation for a 6% increase in fees.

5561
08:00:57,950 --> 08:00:58,450
Is that accurate?

5562
08:00:58,570 --> 08:00:59,470
It's a report.

5563
08:00:59,550 --> 08:01:04,030
It's a report explaining the necessity of 6% in fees.

5564
08:01:04,110 --> 08:01:09,130
It is not an official vote requested day, which is why we would be more than happy to return

5565
08:01:09,130 --> 08:01:11,690
either with a reso or in the budget process.

5566
08:01:11,850 --> 08:01:12,070
I see.

5567
08:01:12,670 --> 08:01:14,290
Right now we're just having a discussion.

5568
08:01:14,590 --> 08:01:16,050
We're not taking a vote on this.

5569
08:01:16,050 --> 08:01:22,550
is that correct or you having someone move if we move the report as listed, it's not a option

5570
08:01:22,550 --> 08:01:27,450
of the recommendation. I want to make sure that would be correct that's accurate. This is

5571
08:01:27,450 --> 08:01:31,930
for discussion. This is a report only today. We would happily take the direction to come

5572
08:01:31,930 --> 08:01:37,130
back with in a resophom or or just to vote on it during the budget process, whatever the board

5573
08:01:37,130 --> 08:01:38,950
direct. Thank you for that clarification.

5574
08:01:40,970 --> 08:01:45,210
Commissioner Burmutes, Deputy Mayor Coley.

5575
08:01:46,430 --> 08:01:52,610
My question is we talked about how that consent agreement impacted small businesses in particular

5576
08:01:52,610 --> 08:01:57,210
small restaurants through the fog aspect of it.

5577
08:01:57,850 --> 08:02:02,930
When we, months ago, we asked to get a report and we talked about getting it done in 90 days,

5578
08:02:03,250 --> 08:02:07,570
we could go back and at that point, you indicated that if we needed to get the support

5579
08:02:07,570 --> 08:02:12,430
obviously of the state and the federal government, who I think would be supportive of the

5580
08:02:12,430 --> 08:02:16,710
particular small businesses because our restaurants are having very, very difficult times

5581
08:02:16,710 --> 08:02:17,610
to open.

5582
08:02:18,310 --> 08:02:19,530
When are we going to get that report?

5583
08:02:21,650 --> 08:02:26,010
The fall report, you've been provided a report on fog.

5584
08:02:26,190 --> 08:02:32,190
Now, there's not been a report on when the Feds would consider changing the regulations quite

5585
08:02:32,190 --> 08:02:37,570
frankly, as behind as the federal government is on these applications, we make it finish

5586
08:02:37,570 --> 08:02:41,710
to consent order and have the whole consent order retired quicker than we can get the answers,

5587
08:02:42,190 --> 08:02:49,230
but we have people in Atlanta with EPA that have told us they would consider and they

5588
08:02:49,230 --> 08:02:53,790
would respond to any fog request that we have.

5589
08:02:54,190 --> 08:02:59,290
So what's going to continue to happen in this county that somebody that does, John Badgew's

5590
08:02:59,290 --> 08:03:04,310
shakes is going to have to pay probably $100,000 to be able to comply with what they

5591
08:03:04,310 --> 08:03:05,130
have to comply with.

5592
08:03:05,130 --> 08:03:09,010
So we're basically just, we're going to have to go to Broward County.

5593
08:03:10,310 --> 08:03:11,710
I suppose, is that what you're telling us?

5594
08:03:11,870 --> 08:03:14,350
No, that's not exactly what I'm saying.

5595
08:03:14,370 --> 08:03:19,690
What I'm saying is, is EPA has indicated that they have an open ear and will consider

5596
08:03:19,690 --> 08:03:26,290
our asks about changing the fog ordinances, the fog portion, the fog portion of the consent order.

5597
08:03:27,050 --> 08:03:31,690
What I'm saying to you is, we make those ask and we don't get those answers very quickly.

5598
08:03:31,690 --> 08:03:36,150
It will take time for them to respond as to what exactly we're asking for.

5599
08:03:36,470 --> 08:03:40,210
I'm suggesting the most important thing we can do is finish the

5600
08:03:40,210 --> 08:03:44,750
consent order projects and get the whole order lifted because what you're mentioning is just

5601
08:03:44,750 --> 08:03:48,050
one impact of the consent order that has everyone's hands tied.

5602
08:03:48,670 --> 08:03:51,410
Correct, but it's impact in a good number of the small businesses in our community.

5603
08:03:51,750 --> 08:03:54,450
So, my question then with follow-up question would be the following,

5604
08:03:55,190 --> 08:03:57,730
which one are a vast and sundry consultants?

5605
08:03:58,210 --> 08:04:06,310
can we actually talk to it as see if anything could happen with with with EPA since in front of

5606
08:04:06,310 --> 08:04:11,030
it since I you know it's great that you think it's going to be two years that you know that's fantastic

5607
08:04:11,030 --> 08:04:16,530
but that doesn't solve the problem now for a restaurant is trying to open up in Miami Gardens for example

5608
08:04:16,530 --> 08:04:21,530
that may have to come up with an incredible amount of money and it's not going to be able to

5609
08:04:22,010 --> 08:04:26,630
and sometimes as it's been happening you saw we had it here and here where they even a gentleman from North Carolina

5610
08:04:26,630 --> 08:04:29,810
who's trying to know a press conference said, hey, this is practically impossible. I'd rather

5611
08:04:29,810 --> 08:04:34,890
go to another county in Florida. So I'm all for a complaint, but that's we have to anyways.

5612
08:04:35,310 --> 08:04:39,770
But I think, you know, I think at least, I think we have a fighting chance with the President

5613
08:04:39,770 --> 08:04:46,450
EPA number one and number two, nothing precludes us from making, because you can amend

5614
08:04:46,450 --> 08:04:55,610
an agreement, as long as the parties agree to do so, and still continue with the rest of the

5615
08:04:56,330 --> 08:04:59,970
consent decree until a couple of years down the road when we could.

5616
08:05:00,000 --> 08:05:10,520
And hopefully, be lifted from this 30 year situation. So I'm not going to be labor of the point, but I think

5617
08:05:10,520 --> 08:05:14,420
I'm going to talk to you personally, because I think there's ways we can get this done. And

5618
08:05:14,420 --> 08:05:20,520
it's really killing the smaller businesses right now. And it's just not a good thing.

5619
08:05:21,140 --> 08:05:26,400
We agree with the Commission of Bermuda and our assistant director of Durham, Rashid has been

5620
08:05:26,400 --> 08:05:31,400
that a effort across Department of effort of looking for ways to reduce the cost of compliance

5621
08:05:31,400 --> 08:05:38,860
as the law is written today and also with seeking relief from EPA and so I can commit

5622
08:05:38,860 --> 08:05:43,020
to you that that's active and it's going on now we can meet and give you separate reports

5623
08:05:43,020 --> 08:05:48,680
on all the things that he's doing in that space but it is a good point to highlight that

5624
08:05:48,680 --> 08:05:52,600
that problem isn't going to go away with EPA as long as we're under consent orders.

5625
08:05:52,600 --> 08:06:00,720
through the chair. I just want to add a point here. So I'm checking whether our federal lobbyists

5626
08:06:00,720 --> 08:06:06,780
are working on this case. Obviously we support it, but you know we don't want to compromise our

5627
08:06:06,780 --> 08:06:12,440
ability to get out from under this. No, absolutely not. But as far as being more active and promoting

5628
08:06:12,440 --> 08:06:20,160
that change, we certainly will look into that and I'd like to do that. All right. Any further discussion

5629
08:06:20,160 --> 08:06:28,280
on the report. So I'll move the report and I guess we'll have this back in September. Is that correct?

5630
08:06:28,640 --> 08:06:33,100
As you might direct commissioner, it could either be in September as a resour in the budget,

5631
08:06:33,180 --> 08:06:41,420
how would you direct? But to clarify, we would need action on the part of the board to increase

5632
08:06:41,420 --> 08:06:49,000
the fee and we also want to note that solid waste, did you mention this, is today the deadline

5633
08:06:49,000 --> 08:06:52,460
if we were to increase solid waste. I just put it out there. It's not the top.

5634
08:06:52,460 --> 08:06:57,380
And it just be like the deputy mayor said in the budget instead of like a, apparently solid waste.

5635
08:06:57,580 --> 08:07:05,060
We've learned last night from our county attorney. We could only decrease. We couldn't increase it.

5636
08:07:05,280 --> 08:07:10,200
If we, if we held it flat, which is what the current status is and maybe we could ask them to clarify.

5637
08:07:10,620 --> 08:07:16,060
So if there were any inclination to address some of the concerns that have been raised about

5638
08:07:16,060 --> 08:07:19,360
having to cut a legal dumping enforcement and other items.

5639
08:07:19,640 --> 08:07:21,360
This would be the day to do it, sir.

5640
08:07:21,980 --> 08:07:22,740
OK, so.

5641
08:07:22,960 --> 08:07:23,980
Can we first deal with the water?

5642
08:07:24,100 --> 08:07:25,300
Let's deal with the water first.

5643
08:07:25,460 --> 08:07:27,840
I think the water is something that could come in the budget, right?

5644
08:07:28,080 --> 08:07:28,500
Yes, sir.

5645
08:07:28,640 --> 08:07:31,400
Here comes the budget or about separate reservoir where you direct.

5646
08:07:31,700 --> 08:07:37,740
Is it OK for you to move the item just to adopt the report?

5647
08:07:38,360 --> 08:07:41,160
And then whatever recommendation comes in the budget, is that fair?

5648
08:07:42,880 --> 08:07:44,240
I'm looking to the administration.

5649
08:07:44,400 --> 08:07:45,280
Yeah, I'm looking to them, too.

5650
08:07:45,280 --> 08:07:50,500
that we're not jeopardizing our consent to create or what our mission is.

5651
08:07:50,880 --> 08:07:53,600
If that's the way you want, you recommend then that's fine, that's how it is.

5652
08:07:53,620 --> 08:07:57,740
We had spoke early on with the chair about dealing with a lot of these raiding creases

5653
08:07:57,740 --> 08:07:59,080
without bogging down the budget.

5654
08:07:59,300 --> 08:08:01,600
That's why we brought these early to you.

5655
08:08:01,700 --> 08:08:06,100
We're happy to stay on that path and bring it at the next meeting in the form of a resour or

5656
08:08:06,100 --> 08:08:09,640
we can change if you'd rather not have a separate item and go with the budget.

5657
08:08:09,640 --> 08:08:13,640
We were just trying to keep it from being such a time-consumption at budget day.

5658
08:08:14,020 --> 08:08:14,420
One question.

5659
08:08:14,420 --> 08:08:18,860
So, in order to not tie your hands in either direction today, we've got a little bit of time,

5660
08:08:19,860 --> 08:08:23,520
is if we don't, if we just adopt the report and don't direct you to bring it in the form of a

5661
08:08:23,520 --> 08:08:26,940
rezo, or in the budget, is it at your discretion, how you like to bring it?

5662
08:08:27,020 --> 08:08:28,100
However, you want us to, we will.

5663
08:08:28,820 --> 08:08:33,440
So, let's discuss it in the best format for this body to discuss one when it comes before

5664
08:08:33,440 --> 08:08:33,840
us next.

5665
08:08:33,860 --> 08:08:36,300
It is actually reflected in our proposed budget.

5666
08:08:36,440 --> 08:08:36,600
Okay.

5667
08:08:38,500 --> 08:08:42,580
So, with that, there's a motion by Commissioner Steinberg to adopt the report, seconded by Commissioner

5668
08:08:42,580 --> 08:08:43,020
Gilbert.

5669
08:08:43,020 --> 08:08:44,800
And he has a question.

5670
08:08:45,400 --> 08:08:48,860
I'm really just a confidence chairman, just be mindful that if you include this in a proposed budget,

5671
08:08:48,880 --> 08:08:54,020
if you decide to adopt something that's not in proposed budget, something that's not a part of the proposed budget,

5672
08:08:54,140 --> 08:08:58,440
we're going to be forced to be changing it on the fly doing our discussion in proposed budget.

5673
08:08:58,540 --> 08:09:08,100
That's why the resolution is probably preferred amount, so that resolution then allows them to work in what we've said into the budget about a budget.

5674
08:09:08,100 --> 08:09:27,540
So I'm not telling you all how to do a administration is chairman not telling you how to direct them, but if we get into a situation where they put it in proposed budget at 6% and we decide to do 2% or 3% or 1% or nothing, then they're going to force a recalculation of that budget on the spot.

5675
08:09:28,140 --> 08:09:36,700
And so I think that, you know, that's probably not in best keeping with us being efficient and doing stuff expeditiously in budget time.

5676
08:09:36,700 --> 08:09:38,000
So I think we might have heard.

5677
08:09:38,000 --> 08:09:41,580
I would encourage us to do the resolution at some point.

5678
08:09:41,700 --> 08:09:45,180
You're right, but for every year, that happens, though.

5679
08:09:45,420 --> 08:09:47,020
I mean, different things.

5680
08:09:47,400 --> 08:09:48,720
I think they're going to be prepared either way

5681
08:09:48,720 --> 08:09:51,740
to make adjustments that day, but I hear you.

5682
08:09:52,160 --> 08:09:53,900
Again, without, by not doing anything,

5683
08:09:54,080 --> 08:09:55,200
they still can bring a resolution.

5684
08:09:55,660 --> 08:09:58,240
It's not preventing you from bringing me a resolution

5685
08:09:58,240 --> 08:09:59,600
and me placing it on the agenda.

5686
08:10:00,000 --> 08:10:13,760
A resolution for your consideration. Awesome. Sounds good. All right. So we have a motion by Steinberg, a second by Commissioner Gilbert, on favor of adopting the report, saying if I'm saying aye, all opposed, nay, show the report adopted.

5687
08:10:16,920 --> 08:10:17,880
The report.

5688
08:10:20,560 --> 08:10:28,540
So it doesn't want to adopt the report. This is for all right. So I've got, that's it for the pull list, right?

5689
08:10:28,540 --> 08:10:34,500
Did you want to speak on the solid waste item or no we can't do you want to do you want us to well

5690
08:10:34,500 --> 08:10:36,460
We had an item today. I'm ready

5691
08:10:37,780 --> 08:10:45,600
You know what the answer is no no no no no go ahead. No. I think that probably we weren't able to to clarify before now

5692
08:10:45,600 --> 08:10:51,760
Is that because the solid waste fees on the trim notice if we choose to increase the solid waste fee

5693
08:10:51,760 --> 08:10:57,160
It can't be passed a day and be on the trim notice we can go lower or we can stay the same

5694
08:10:57,160 --> 08:11:02,300
But since it was determined by this board that we weren't going to raise the solid waste fee,

5695
08:11:02,620 --> 08:11:07,320
there have been a number of people voice concerns about what cuts are coming in solid waste.

5696
08:11:07,520 --> 08:11:12,280
So just in full transparency, we're happy to go forward at your direction, raising it or not.

5697
08:11:12,760 --> 08:11:17,920
All right. So I'll entertain a conversation of it. Commissioner, go ahead. Just let's

5698
08:11:18,500 --> 08:11:24,040
Yeah, thank you. And everyone's been tired. On the solid waste, we really haven't had an opportunity

5699
08:11:24,040 --> 08:11:30,380
to work on the budget, but the reason that I brought the item as a flat item is because

5700
08:11:30,380 --> 08:11:36,360
I think that there are certain changes to our solid waste department that we can bring

5701
08:11:36,360 --> 08:11:41,740
in order to keep it flat. I've been working with my district about making some changes,

5702
08:11:42,540 --> 08:11:47,400
and I think throughout the budget process we can show how we can do both things,

5703
08:11:47,640 --> 08:11:53,200
but we would have to change some of the things that we do in solid waste, but it would not

5704
08:11:53,200 --> 08:11:56,320
patch our ability to pick up solid waste.

5705
08:11:56,980 --> 08:11:59,340
So that's the reason why I brought the item for flat.

5706
08:11:59,940 --> 08:12:04,740
Last year, you know it was all very polemic, we spent a lot of time on the solid waste

5707
08:12:04,740 --> 08:12:05,100
fee.

5708
08:12:05,420 --> 08:12:08,300
It's something that people feel very strongly about.

5709
08:12:09,000 --> 08:12:13,560
And this year it'll be the same, but I'm happy to work on it, like we did in August.

5710
08:12:14,520 --> 08:12:21,400
And what I don't recommend is for us to agree on raising it and then to lower it because the

5711
08:12:21,400 --> 08:12:28,460
The trim is what people see, so we had this issue last year, which is why this year I brought it flat.

5712
08:12:30,990 --> 08:12:32,790
Commissioner Cohen Higgins.

5713
08:12:33,730 --> 08:12:34,790
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

5714
08:12:37,860 --> 08:12:38,840
Again, procedurally.

5715
08:12:39,920 --> 08:12:42,740
The item passed flat, correct?

5716
08:12:43,400 --> 08:12:46,080
We're discussing it because today, essentially, is the deadline.

5717
08:12:46,540 --> 08:12:49,400
You're basically saying, you're sending us caution, right?

5718
08:12:49,400 --> 08:12:54,960
like today is the deadline should there be a discussion about entertaining a potential increase in

5719
08:12:54,960 --> 08:12:59,980
the solid waste fees which is what you all have recommended correct? That's correct. Okay, so in that

5720
08:12:59,980 --> 08:13:06,920
spirit and you all are doing things differently now I've noticed it you're doing it on the water

5721
08:13:06,920 --> 08:13:13,180
and sewer you did it on solid waste you did it on waste to energy you're issuing these memos saying

5722
08:13:13,180 --> 08:13:19,220
this is what's going to be cut should you not adopt our recommendation right and so I would like

5723
08:13:19,220 --> 08:13:26,180
you to go over what it is that you all are representing will be cut from solid ways as a result

5724
08:13:26,180 --> 08:13:32,060
of you all not getting the recommended rate increase that you all are requesting. Because I think

5725
08:13:32,060 --> 08:13:37,880
we need to understand and digest what it is that you are saying we will or what you all are proposing

5726
08:13:37,880 --> 08:13:42,540
will be lost as a result of your recommendation not being adopted by this fort.

5727
08:13:43,460 --> 08:13:47,920
And on that note while you pull that up, Deputy Mayor, I think the same, and I don't want

5728
08:13:47,920 --> 08:13:50,940
to go back till we pass on already, but the same could be said for the water's sewer

5729
08:13:50,940 --> 08:13:51,180
memo.

5730
08:13:51,580 --> 08:13:52,600
Well, that's my point.

5731
08:13:52,800 --> 08:13:57,760
And I'm going to get to that because the water in sewer memo is extraordinarily detailed.

5732
08:13:58,900 --> 08:14:02,220
And, you know, again, these are consent decree projects.

5733
08:14:03,480 --> 08:14:07,960
So, you know, we're not confused about the necessity of these projects, but you all are messaging

5734
08:14:08,400 --> 08:14:08,800
differently.

5735
08:14:09,400 --> 08:14:10,080
I hear you.

5736
08:14:10,080 --> 08:14:15,700
I understand, but if you're asking us to essentially reconsider what has already been passed,

5737
08:14:15,900 --> 08:14:23,020
I eat a flat rate, speak to us specifically about what will be affected, should the rates

5738
08:14:23,020 --> 08:14:23,700
stay flat?

5739
08:14:24,060 --> 08:14:31,440
Commissioner, we issued a memo identifying about $4.6 million in cost reductions that we would

5740
08:14:31,440 --> 08:14:32,140
have to achieve.

5741
08:14:32,540 --> 08:14:38,740
$1.5 million of that was for illegal dumping in homeless encampment program, one meal

5742
08:14:38,740 --> 08:14:46,700
in code enforcement, 700,000 in liter pickup, 900,000 in training, and accounting, and 500,000

5743
08:14:46,700 --> 08:14:51,240
dollars in capital projects is what we would not do this year out of flat rate.

5744
08:14:52,420 --> 08:14:59,820
And that is as a result of you all still having funds in your carryover accounts that can't

5745
08:14:59,820 --> 08:14:59,980
cover.

5746
08:15:02,800 --> 08:15:09,160
I'm not sure the question. I mean, we have reserves, but our reserves are woefully low. There are still

5747
08:15:09,160 --> 08:15:15,600
money in reserves, but we believe our reserves need to be added to considering the situation

5748
08:15:15,600 --> 08:15:22,340
with EPA now and with FEMA over any hurricanes we're expected to have a lot higher portion of that

5749
08:15:22,340 --> 08:15:27,140
cost. And so we think we need to be adding more to the reserves. We did not consider taking money from

5750
08:15:27,140 --> 08:15:33,060
reserves to pay operating cost. Okay, and what was the percent increase that passed last year for solid

5751
08:15:33,060 --> 08:15:40,620
waste? I think it was about one. I don't remember the exact number. It was 0.7. 0.7% and this year you

5752
08:15:40,620 --> 08:15:45,960
all are recommending what percent increase? Well, we brought an item to you for 2% because the board

5753
08:15:45,960 --> 08:15:52,880
had previously directed us to bring an item to you for CPI. So we brought you an item for 2% even though

5754
08:15:52,880 --> 08:16:00,160
actual cost of operation exceeded 2%. We found cost savings in cuts to get it down to the 2%

5755
08:16:00,160 --> 08:16:06,260
CPI that the board directed us to bring. So we can meet all of our obligations at 2%

5756
08:16:06,260 --> 08:16:11,320
anything less there has to be something cut. Okay and the 2% represents the 4.6 million dollars

5757
08:16:11,320 --> 08:16:16,420
that you just ran off the list of items that would be cut. Yes ma'am. But service I eat trash collection

5758
08:16:16,420 --> 08:16:19,860
and pickup would not be effective. It would not be impacted. We will continue to pick up

5759
08:16:19,860 --> 08:16:24,340
we're obligated to do. It's the answering services and enforcement that will suffer greatly.

5760
08:16:24,680 --> 08:16:31,800
And the list that you just enumerated is in consideration of what we've talked about on previous

5761
08:16:31,800 --> 08:16:36,960
budget conversations. I e-salary staying flat going into the next fiscal year. That's correct.

5762
08:16:37,500 --> 08:16:43,100
Okay, thank you. We've accounted for zero increases in salaries in our budgets. Okay, thank you, Mr. Chair.

5763
08:16:45,280 --> 08:16:51,500
Commissioner Gilbert, Commissioner Gilbert, you're looking. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

5764
08:16:55,810 --> 08:17:01,720
We struggle with this every year and I understand why we struggle with it every year.

5765
08:17:03,770 --> 08:17:10,010
But it's not necessarily that complicated, especially when we bring in about bringing back

5766
08:17:10,010 --> 08:17:14,390
recommendations when the administration's bring back recommendations that align with the CPI.

5767
08:17:17,550 --> 08:17:26,490
If the gas goes up, that operates the trucks, it costs more to operate the trucks.

5768
08:17:27,130 --> 08:17:29,850
It costs more to pick up.

5769
08:17:29,870 --> 08:17:30,450
The targets.

5770
08:17:30,630 --> 08:17:32,850
We've got to fix that with the energy fuel.

5771
08:17:32,910 --> 08:17:34,190
I mean, the basis.

5772
08:17:34,230 --> 08:17:35,130
I don't know what the whole day we're going to fix.

5773
08:17:35,690 --> 08:17:41,770
If, as a today, our labor costs go up for the people who operate the trucks,

5774
08:17:45,990 --> 08:17:45,990
that

5775
08:17:45,990 --> 08:17:50,750
And then the cost to pick up the trash goes up.

5776
08:17:51,730 --> 08:17:54,970
It is a fee-driven system.

5777
08:17:56,590 --> 08:17:58,590
I do not want to pay more.

5778
08:17:59,710 --> 08:18:11,190
But what this board did that addressed years of imbalance was bring the right back in alignment.

5779
08:18:11,450 --> 08:18:12,850
I think we did that two years ago.

5780
08:18:13,750 --> 08:18:20,750
I just caution you all that it might seem like a little bit now because it is.

5781
08:18:21,010 --> 08:18:26,110
They're recommending 2% you want to keep it flat, it's no big deal, it's just 4.6 million.

5782
08:18:27,090 --> 08:18:32,830
It doesn't seem like that, but it probably didn't seem like that to prior commissions when

5783
08:18:32,830 --> 08:18:34,310
they did it also.

5784
08:18:34,310 --> 08:18:39,430
And then the aggregate effect of years of not doing that,

5785
08:18:39,430 --> 08:18:44,480
placed our system in a rears.

5786
08:18:45,920 --> 08:18:49,640
And then of future commission, it was us this time,

5787
08:18:49,680 --> 08:18:51,600
and it'll be someone else the next time,

5788
08:18:51,980 --> 08:18:56,060
had to make a really big increase.

5789
08:18:57,280 --> 08:19:00,720
And so let me just suggest that we're not being,

5790
08:19:00,720 --> 08:19:05,080
when we do that, we're not being fair to

5791
08:19:05,080 --> 08:19:06,920
The future ratepayers

5792
08:19:08,140 --> 08:19:16,380
Because they're going to have to absorb the cost at some point for the increase that we did in the increase in gas and labor

5793
08:19:16,380 --> 08:19:17,860
This year

5794
08:19:17,860 --> 08:19:21,060
We're going to have to make up the money at some point. We will

5795
08:19:21,700 --> 08:19:29,180
Trim some down and then we won't be able to trim anymore and then we won't want to cut service because people use to pick up a week and

5796
08:19:29,180 --> 08:19:33,520
People still want illegal dumping picked up and people still want code enforcement

5797
08:19:33,520 --> 08:19:39,940
people still want these things. And so at some point you will have to reduce the service,

5798
08:19:40,980 --> 08:19:45,060
or you will have to make an adjustment to align the service with the fee.

5799
08:19:47,240 --> 08:19:48,160
And so I just

5800
08:19:48,720 --> 08:19:56,480
we can do whatever the board pleasure is. I am always intrigued by Commissioner Regalado's

5801
08:19:56,480 --> 08:19:59,980
proposition of, I can find.

5802
08:20:01,600 --> 08:20:29,980
And it's always interesting how her and the administration get together. And it always comes back somewhere, like, in between what they said and what she said. But if you set the rate today, and you can't go any higher, then whether the CPI ends up being, we know the CPI is something, no matter what the cut is, the CPI is going to be something. So even if they reduced in some areas, we can't go any higher.

5803
08:20:29,980 --> 08:20:31,580
as they say they've already reduced.

5804
08:20:33,040 --> 08:20:34,400
And that's fine.

5805
08:20:35,620 --> 08:20:38,160
So right now they're asking for 2% even though it would

5806
08:20:38,160 --> 08:20:39,760
technically more than 2%.

5807
08:20:39,760 --> 08:20:44,000
Let's say she's a brilliant cutter and slasher

5808
08:20:44,000 --> 08:20:46,720
and making things efficient, and she cuts that in half,

5809
08:20:47,580 --> 08:20:50,380
is still 1% and you've left the system in balance.

5810
08:20:52,300 --> 08:20:56,780
And so I just want us to appreciate the fact

5811
08:20:56,780 --> 08:21:04,660
sometimes being fiscally conservative means you actually figure out what the actual cost is

5812
08:21:06,400 --> 08:21:13,100
in charge it because there's a component of being fiscally conservative that means you're

5813
08:21:13,100 --> 08:21:14,500
being fiscally responsible.

5814
08:21:16,640 --> 08:21:20,840
So if we really want to be responsible then we'll say to them

5815
08:21:20,840 --> 08:21:27,460
we're not going to raise the fee cut the service and we'll just take that L with the service

5816
08:21:27,460 --> 08:21:33,380
recipients, the residents. If we really want to do that, if we really want to say, okay,

5817
08:21:34,380 --> 08:21:41,080
this is all we're willing for this fee to be. What can you do with this? They reduce the

5818
08:21:41,080 --> 08:21:45,840
services and we go from there. The problem with that is every year they will have to reduce

5819
08:21:45,840 --> 08:21:53,180
services more. And that's going to be the challenge. So I just, this is more of philosophical

5820
08:21:54,460 --> 08:22:01,120
conversation that we probably should, and we did address when we told them that bring us back,

5821
08:22:01,240 --> 08:22:06,980
bring us back the recommendation at CPI. I was going to say we should have this philosophical

5822
08:22:06,980 --> 08:22:15,820
conversation, but we did have this philosophical conversation. And so now they're bringing us back

5823
08:22:15,820 --> 08:22:21,900
back what we told them to bring us back after they cut, and we're saying we still won't do

5824
08:22:22,700 --> 08:22:23,260
it.

5825
08:22:23,800 --> 08:22:29,820
And so that's a challenge that puts the administration in a very intense situation, and it

5826
08:22:29,820 --> 08:22:38,780
puts us in a position of having the exact same conversation every year, which I guess might

5827
08:22:38,780 --> 08:22:41,660
not be any sanity, even though they say it is.

5828
08:22:43,710 --> 08:22:46,530
So, let's move on.

5829
08:22:46,550 --> 08:22:47,310
Here's what we can do.

5830
08:22:47,450 --> 08:22:51,910
We can either move on, or we can reconsider 5N,

5831
08:22:53,050 --> 08:22:55,730
which is what we approved earlier on the flat rate,

5832
08:22:56,130 --> 08:22:58,710
and have it re-noticed and just re-discuss it on September 1st.

5833
08:22:59,470 --> 08:23:01,990
They can advertise it and re-discuss it on September 1st,

5834
08:23:02,030 --> 08:23:06,450
or we can move on with what we just approved today, which is 5N.

5835
08:23:07,230 --> 08:23:09,230
I'll recognize you for some final comments,

5836
08:23:09,410 --> 08:23:12,710
but after that, I'm going to encourage that we just

5837
08:23:12,710 --> 08:23:13,610
We want to go in.

5838
08:23:13,710 --> 08:23:14,030
I get it.

5839
08:23:14,130 --> 08:23:16,310
And look, and I appreciate that.

5840
08:23:16,410 --> 08:23:19,010
Commissioner Gilbert, we always have this ideological conversation.

5841
08:23:19,230 --> 08:23:21,930
I think last year we got the department to make some cuts.

5842
08:23:22,010 --> 08:23:26,030
I think this year we have to get the department to change the way it does certain things.

5843
08:23:26,070 --> 08:23:27,230
And it just hasn't done that.

5844
08:23:27,410 --> 08:23:28,590
I've brought a lot of items.

5845
08:23:29,450 --> 08:23:31,370
I'm asking this department to make more revenue.

5846
08:23:31,830 --> 08:23:36,510
And it's going to take something like this to have to push them into that uncomfortable space.

5847
08:23:36,890 --> 08:23:41,050
And the reality is that while we talk about all the things that are going to be cut,

5848
08:23:41,050 --> 08:23:46,830
Look, I was upset when I found out that we ended up paying for the city of Miami's FIFA trash.

5849
08:23:47,250 --> 08:23:52,850
We were not obligated to do that, you know, it was over $300,000 that we're paying.

5850
08:23:52,890 --> 08:23:55,010
And I think we should get that back from the city of Miami.

5851
08:23:55,290 --> 08:23:59,990
And that's one of the things that we need to discuss because, you know, we approved this budget

5852
08:23:59,990 --> 08:24:02,670
and then we're given this draconian list of things.

5853
08:24:02,950 --> 08:24:03,890
There's other things.

5854
08:24:04,250 --> 08:24:06,250
There's other revenues that we've talked about.

5855
08:24:06,250 --> 08:24:16,570
There's many dumps. There's changing the way that we do things and there is this constant push back on changing the way that we do solid waste and I think this year

5856
08:24:16,570 --> 08:24:20,670
We hold them flat. We make those changes for point six is not that big of a deal

5857
08:24:20,670 --> 08:24:27,090
But we're actually going to get some traction on changing how we do this and I think if we change some of the ways that we do this

5858
08:24:27,090 --> 08:24:35,150
We're going to buy naturally curtail some of that illegal dumpy and some of the things that we're spending money on so I would tell you to hold it

5859
08:24:35,150 --> 08:24:41,130
You know, this is very different from water and sewer. This is not a federal issue. This is not a consent issue

5860
08:24:41,130 --> 08:24:48,230
This is choices that we're making us all in ways to do things a certain way and there are other options and we could do better

5861
08:24:48,230 --> 08:24:50,710
We're just not being pushed to do better

5862
08:24:51,590 --> 08:24:55,130
All right, so that's said yes commissioner Steinberg. Thank you

5863
08:24:55,850 --> 08:24:59,670
So I think there are benefits in having this conversation

5864
08:25:00,000 --> 08:25:09,260
I think it's important for us to look at all sides of this. Now, I guess this is a question either for the administration or the attorneys.

5865
08:25:10,040 --> 08:25:21,300
You know, if we were to reconsider the item and that way in September, I think September 1st, which still gives us time because the trim notice is September 15th, is the deadline correct?

5866
08:25:22,760 --> 08:25:22,880
No.

5867
08:25:24,700 --> 08:25:28,800
It's not the trim a commissioner, the statute that we travel under to put it on in tax bill is

5868
08:25:29,740 --> 08:25:34,740
197362 and that requires the board to adopt it at a public hearing honor before September 15th.

5869
08:25:35,500 --> 08:25:36,060
Thank you.

5870
08:25:36,180 --> 08:25:39,840
That's been a long day and I didn't get whipped cream and whatever he got.

5871
08:25:41,780 --> 08:25:42,740
So, yeah.

5872
08:25:45,300 --> 08:25:51,640
But could we, if we were to reconsider this item to have the discussion in full in September,

5873
08:25:52,280 --> 08:26:02,760
Could we earmark to Commissioner Regalado's point about changing some of what we see and how we do things and looking at it through a different lens for the future?

5874
08:26:03,100 --> 08:26:06,420
You know, you mentioned something that is important to me, which is the reserves, right?

5875
08:26:06,600 --> 08:26:08,420
We don't have any reserves right now.

5876
08:26:08,960 --> 08:26:19,400
And so we could even go to that CPI and put a portion of that into the reserves that they can't touch until we also figure out a better policy moving forward.

5877
08:26:19,400 --> 08:26:21,880
And that's something that we can have a real discussion about.

5878
08:26:22,260 --> 08:26:26,260
So that's my my my my thought about maybe we stay flat, you know,

5879
08:26:26,320 --> 08:26:27,260
we're not committing to anything.

5880
08:26:27,480 --> 08:26:31,600
But I think that's one reason that we could look at is to the reconsideration.

5881
08:26:33,760 --> 08:26:34,600
So it's really not me.

5882
08:26:34,880 --> 08:26:35,600
I think I see it.

5883
08:26:35,620 --> 08:26:39,880
But I guess it's a question because we're all in the same page.

5884
08:26:40,000 --> 08:26:43,840
We understand everything costs more money and we have to pay for it.

5885
08:26:43,960 --> 08:26:49,100
And it's really a little disheartening when we hear that everything

5886
08:26:49,100 --> 08:26:49,420
Thank you, sir.

5887
08:26:49,540 --> 08:26:54,340
I'm going up, but we keep everything flat and still cost to the residents here of, it's

5888
08:26:54,340 --> 08:26:55,940
a cost to us that we have to bear.

5889
08:26:56,880 --> 08:27:00,440
But I really do have a commission or a lot of there is times that we need to see changes.

5890
08:27:00,720 --> 08:27:03,720
And we need to ensure that they come back with these changes.

5891
08:27:03,920 --> 08:27:10,220
And I think that I agree with you that we've asked previous times to come up with certain

5892
08:27:10,220 --> 08:27:16,140
changes to the way that we try to monetize and collect trash, and we haven't seen a lot

5893
08:27:16,140 --> 08:27:17,060
of traction on that.

5894
08:27:17,060 --> 08:27:17,520
However,

5895
08:27:20,860 --> 08:27:26,280
there has to be somewhere we can land this plane on, because we do have to be honest

5896
08:27:26,280 --> 08:27:28,460
with our voters.

5897
08:27:29,120 --> 08:27:33,720
Maybe if we can get this administration to come back with a different plan from here

5898
08:27:33,720 --> 08:27:38,920
to September, that can try to monetize that with you Commissioner Steinberg.

5899
08:27:39,020 --> 08:27:45,220
Maybe that's the path that we go and compressing the time and by September they should come

5900
08:27:45,220 --> 08:27:49,580
with some time for us, and that gives us a flexibility to see whether or not because I've

5901
08:27:49,580 --> 08:27:53,620
always said I'm okay with going back to my, I can go back to my taxpayers and to our road

5902
08:27:53,620 --> 08:27:59,640
into our voters and ask for an increase when there's changes on our rent. I would hate to go back

5903
08:27:59,640 --> 08:28:06,620
to the voters of Pialea and District 13 and ask for an increase anywhere where we haven't done

5904
08:28:06,620 --> 08:28:15,200
any changes. We haven't made any movement forward to make sure that we are better stores of the

5905
08:28:15,200 --> 08:28:22,580
Commissioner Steinberg, I think there might be a happy medium here and maybe if you guys can help me articulate that and we can try to do that.

5906
08:28:25,170 --> 08:28:25,450
Okay.

5907
08:28:29,550 --> 08:28:31,770
All right. So are we really doing this? All right.

5908
08:28:32,030 --> 08:28:33,130
Just a quick comment.

5909
08:28:33,330 --> 08:28:33,930
I'm just a quick comment.

5910
08:28:34,510 --> 08:28:37,490
I know that our committee.

5911
08:28:38,630 --> 08:28:39,590
The one that Commissioner.

5912
08:28:39,590 --> 08:28:48,130
million Orbus and I chair has decided to take a deep dive into all of the departments, including

5913
08:28:48,130 --> 08:28:53,610
solid waste, because despite the fact that it is like an enterprise fund, we said that's

5914
08:28:53,610 --> 08:28:59,870
the one that gives us the most heartburn. And so we're committed to doing that in August.

5915
08:29:00,010 --> 08:29:05,290
Remember, we said we wouldn't take a recess because we really wanted to look at all of the

5916
08:29:05,290 --> 08:29:11,190
departments that touch general revenue but also this one in particular. So we're

5917
08:29:11,190 --> 08:29:15,550
excited to do that work and I'm sure that we're going to find ways in which

5918
08:29:15,550 --> 08:29:21,230
things can change because you know we agree things have to be done differently and

5919
08:29:21,230 --> 08:29:28,850
unless we explore that we're not being faithful to our fiduciary duty. So just

5920
08:29:28,850 --> 08:29:31,030
wanted to point that out that that's what we'll be doing in August.

5921
08:29:33,680 --> 08:29:34,520
Okay so let's

5922
08:29:34,520 --> 08:29:40,220
But here's what I don't want to do, and it doesn't bind us, but I also don't want to spend

5923
08:29:40,220 --> 08:29:42,600
another two hours on September 1st, unnecessarily.

5924
08:29:43,640 --> 08:29:45,020
But this is important enough to do it.

5925
08:29:45,600 --> 08:29:47,140
So what I would suggest is, let's take a struggle.

5926
08:29:47,440 --> 08:29:52,760
If there's an appetite to change the, and I don't do struggle, it's often on the days, but

5927
08:29:52,760 --> 08:29:55,020
let's take a struggle to see, reconsidering is one thing.

5928
08:29:55,020 --> 08:29:56,340
I think we got the vote to tell you to reconsider.

5929
08:29:57,240 --> 08:29:59,980
Is there, I like the struggle to see, is there an appetite to actually, in?

5930
08:30:06,700 --> 08:30:21,380
We could even do it by raise of hands, like who's even got an appetite to even discuss the possibility. You're not even saying that you're going to increase it, but even discuss the possibility of increasing anything over a flat rate for solid waste.

5931
08:30:21,380 --> 08:30:24,360
Last show of hands, is there anyone that would like to have a conversation?

5932
08:30:27,780 --> 08:30:31,340
Well, we don't have a report, but if there's no one that's even inclined to hear one out,

5933
08:30:32,180 --> 08:30:35,940
why discuss it for two hours, if at the end, it's not going to happen.

5934
08:30:36,240 --> 08:30:37,220
Okay, let me show it.

5935
08:30:37,260 --> 08:30:37,740
I appreciate it.

5936
08:30:37,960 --> 08:30:42,560
And I said it clearly on the record that I'm willing to entertain it as long as there's changes from

5937
08:30:42,560 --> 08:30:44,000
the administration to come to the board.

5938
08:30:44,360 --> 08:30:44,720
That's the only way.

5939
08:30:44,740 --> 08:30:45,520
Well, I understand.

5940
08:30:45,760 --> 08:30:50,480
And that's why I'm saying like you said it right, but there's some that even with the right

5941
08:30:50,480 --> 08:30:54,020
recommendations are not going to entertain a rating increase.

5942
08:30:54,560 --> 08:30:59,120
I'm sure that Gilbert might entertain it, because he said something, he alluded to it.

5943
08:30:59,120 --> 08:31:03,140
René, you know, Senator Garcia, you've alluded to it, Steinberg, so that's three.

5944
08:31:03,980 --> 08:31:11,420
I see Reganado shaking her head no, so, you know, by a straw vote, I don't know that, so

5945
08:31:11,420 --> 08:31:12,960
then I just, I don't see it.

5946
08:31:13,200 --> 08:31:15,640
It's not, that I don't want it, I don't see it.

5947
08:31:15,740 --> 08:31:20,460
So let's avoid a two-hour conversation on this on September 1st, and move on.

5948
08:31:20,460 --> 08:31:27,000
with our life. All right. That said, I have some motions pending, and then we have discussion

5949
08:31:27,000 --> 08:31:33,600
items. Let's do the discussion items. Let's do discussions. We'll do motions after.

5950
08:31:34,720 --> 08:31:38,620
I got motions too. You got motion. I got motion, but let's do the discussion items. Everybody

5951
08:31:38,620 --> 08:31:46,700
got motions, but we're going to do discussion items. So 6A1 is an item I put on the agenda to discuss

5952
08:31:46,700 --> 08:31:53,780
the EV fleet, and I know we supported an item today, well, we voted on an item earlier today,

5953
08:31:54,340 --> 08:31:56,760
and I got a lot of very spoke, but spoke on it for a second.

5954
08:31:56,900 --> 08:32:01,380
I told her we had a discussion item, and if you wanted to jump in, but look, I put this

5955
08:32:01,380 --> 08:32:07,900
on just because I think most of my colleagues who share the same sentiment, and probably

5956
08:32:07,900 --> 08:32:14,360
the mayor shares it too, but that's just frustrating to have the experience of having gone

5957
08:32:14,360 --> 08:32:16,860
through what we're going through with all of these vehicles

5958
08:32:16,860 --> 08:32:22,080
that are just parked in a lot, what is it like, 69, right?

5959
08:32:23,180 --> 08:32:25,460
And maybe, you know, last time I checked only like three

5960
08:32:25,460 --> 08:32:28,280
to five of them were operational out of the 69.

5961
08:32:29,880 --> 08:32:33,740
So deputy mayor, and or the mayor, if you can, you know,

5962
08:32:33,860 --> 08:32:38,140
give us a brief but give us a kind of a summary as to where we are.

5963
08:32:38,600 --> 08:32:41,000
I may have some questions of the attorneys thereafter,

5964
08:32:41,000 --> 08:32:43,480
but if you can give us an update as to where we are.

5965
08:32:44,560 --> 08:32:54,500
And ultimately the underlying sentiment on my end, anyway, is just, it just hurts to have all of this money parked in a parking lot.

5966
08:32:54,660 --> 08:33:01,380
I know I'm not alone in my sentiment, so, you know, what are our options? What can we do? Can we sell this for parts? Are we in litigation?

5967
08:33:01,960 --> 08:33:09,800
Give us a lay of the land of where we are today. Some articles have come out and there really hasn't been a lot of discussion publicly, other than, you know, the reporter and memo.

5968
08:33:10,200 --> 08:33:11,460
Can you just kind of bring us up to speed?

5969
08:33:11,460 --> 08:33:17,080
Yes, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Let me provide a few historical facts that are important for

5970
08:33:17,080 --> 08:33:23,820
the conversation. In 2018, the Board of County Commissioner directed the then mayor to increase

5971
08:33:23,820 --> 08:33:30,260
its electric bus fleet with a directive to get 50 percent electric buses. The following year,

5972
08:33:30,320 --> 08:33:36,200
in 2019, the then mayor recommended to the commission that approved purchase in these pro-terror

5973
08:33:36,200 --> 08:33:42,040
buses. Now, the bottom line is the pro-terror buses. The company went bankrupt. They were

5974
08:33:42,040 --> 08:33:48,400
failed technology. I would go so far to say this is an excellent example of how we need

5975
08:33:48,400 --> 08:33:53,520
to be more careful buying unproven technologies. Clearly, the commission in the mayor at the

5976
08:33:53,520 --> 08:33:58,280
time wanted cutting-edge technology, and this turned out to be bleeding-edge. The company went bankrupt.

5977
08:33:58,880 --> 08:34:04,540
The buses don't run. We have a few still running. Subsequent to that, the county did buy

5978
08:34:05,240 --> 08:34:10,600
100 electric buses from another manufacturer and they're performing outstandingly. They're doing a fine job.

5979
08:34:11,280 --> 08:34:16,540
So it's not the fact that there are electric hits the problem. The problem is as we bought buses from an

5980
08:34:16,540 --> 08:34:23,240
unproven company and they failed miserably. Now where we stand today, more to your question, a lot of these buses were

5981
08:34:23,240 --> 08:34:28,200
purchased with federal dollars and the department has requested permission from the federal government

5982
08:34:28,200 --> 08:34:32,520
to dispose of these as some way to give us some benefits and we're waiting on their answer.

5983
08:34:32,520 --> 08:34:38,000
In the meantime, we have a handful of buses running and we're using the majority of them

5984
08:34:38,000 --> 08:34:40,380
to scavenge parts off of to keep running.

5985
08:34:41,860 --> 08:34:46,380
So yeah, the departments also, the county attorneys have filed suit on our behalf.

5986
08:34:47,040 --> 08:34:51,180
And so we're chasing lawsuits to try to recover money, knowing it's a bankrupt company.

5987
08:34:51,320 --> 08:34:55,080
I don't know how much we're actually going to recover, but we are chasing that and we're

5988
08:34:55,080 --> 08:34:59,180
looking for the feds to let us to dispose of the buses in some advantageous way.

5989
08:35:00,000 --> 08:35:17,960
And that being made, you said something that's important. So, a vast majority, and I don't know what the percentages, but was purchased with federal dollars. Needless to say, those federal dollars could have been implemented elsewhere, but at a minimum, we're not responsible for repaying those federal dollars, right?

5990
08:35:18,200 --> 08:35:27,120
Not that I'm away. I don't know where I would do that at the attorney loan of it. So, yes, it's still wasted. Money we could have invested elsewhere and a lot of it. We don't have to repay it, right?

5991
08:35:28,240 --> 08:35:33,700
To be clear, Mr. Chair, we've made the application, and we've had some positive responses,

5992
08:35:33,840 --> 08:35:36,540
but it has not been formally concluded.

5993
08:35:37,060 --> 08:35:39,880
It's Bruce, do you want to add to that?

5994
08:35:40,320 --> 08:35:46,940
Mr. Chairman, typically, when you get an FTA grant to buy buses, you agree to utilize those

5995
08:35:46,940 --> 08:35:52,060
buses for the useful life, and that's depending upon the type of bus, it could be ten years

5996
08:35:52,060 --> 08:36:01,680
12 years, etc. We're in the process and we have applied for FTA to allow us to retire

5997
08:36:01,680 --> 08:36:07,820
these buses that are not operating prior to what would have normally been the useful life

5998
08:36:07,820 --> 08:36:15,460
without any penalty or without having to reimburse FTA, we've not received an official response

5999
08:36:15,460 --> 08:36:17,100
or approval yet.

6000
08:36:17,100 --> 08:36:20,260
Well, this is a national problem to the Commission.

6001
08:36:20,320 --> 08:36:22,740
We're not the only city that experience this.

6002
08:36:22,920 --> 08:36:26,180
And we have been attempting to repurpose parts.

6003
08:36:26,400 --> 08:36:28,880
And we could get more detail about that from our director.

6004
08:36:29,620 --> 08:36:32,740
But obviously, we want to do everything in our power.

6005
08:36:33,140 --> 08:36:34,500
We also sued the company.

6006
08:36:34,700 --> 08:36:38,080
As you know, when company went bankrupt, there was a successor company.

6007
08:36:38,240 --> 08:36:39,340
We were working with them.

6008
08:36:39,480 --> 08:36:43,200
They did, I think, manage to provide some spare parts and some repairs.

6009
08:36:43,520 --> 08:36:44,180
But not adequate.

6010
08:36:44,680 --> 08:36:46,280
And eventually, we filed a lawsuit.

6011
08:36:46,280 --> 08:36:59,660
So, and to the attorney, when was that requested of the federal government to forgive that timeline and allow us to dispose of them?

6012
08:37:00,780 --> 08:37:08,260
I rely on DTVW, you know, the exactity of the application. I know I tend to meet a few weeks ago, but I don't know when it actually was submitted.

6013
08:37:08,800 --> 08:37:10,260
It could be months, you know, need an exactity.

6014
08:37:10,260 --> 08:37:17,640
It's been several months that we've been working through the request to relinquish the federal

6015
08:37:17,640 --> 08:37:24,460
interest on the buses that were funded through the federal transit administration.

6016
08:37:25,500 --> 08:37:31,420
We've had successful meetings, but we are still waiting for their final response, but it's

6017
08:37:31,420 --> 08:37:37,100
been several months where we've been interacting with FTA for them to release their financial

6018
08:37:37,100 --> 08:37:37,780
interest.

6019
08:37:37,780 --> 08:38:07,020
Okay, can we, and I don't know what my colleagues have any questions on this discussion, but can we up until some resolution is given, can we receive to the administration, can we receive, I don't know, maybe quarterly reports on is that fair quarterly, not monthly, maybe, but quarterly reports on a status update, and then I think and I know that this gets a little trickier, but if we can also receive some sort of safeguard, you know,

6020
08:38:07,780 --> 08:38:15,500
guardrails for future purchases of this kind so that we don't repeat history and of course

6021
08:38:15,500 --> 08:38:18,660
that's a policy decision we can direct the administration to go and purchase and I get

6022
08:38:18,660 --> 08:38:23,860
that but if you know again in the spirit of codecans pointed out all these memos can we have

6023
08:38:23,860 --> 08:38:30,080
like maybe a memo establishing recommended guardrails to when we make these policy decisions

6024
08:38:30,080 --> 08:38:34,440
and these directives up here I don't want to I know we're all over Gilbert is thinking I know

6025
08:38:34,440 --> 08:38:44,960
He said, don't tell us how to govern, but I think we need some measures as to not allow

6026
08:38:44,960 --> 08:38:52,400
history to be repeated as we move forward with even things outside of transportation and

6027
08:38:52,400 --> 08:38:58,720
outside of buses and things of that nature. But we are coming up, we're here today in a world

6028
08:38:58,720 --> 08:39:04,040
where AI is ever changing, technology, and we're going to be making these decisions of investing

6029
08:39:04,040 --> 08:39:08,480
in a lot of new technology, we're doing it already, we're going to continue doing it, but

6030
08:39:08,480 --> 08:39:13,280
we have to do it smartly and with the right consultants and the right expertise.

6031
08:39:14,080 --> 08:39:18,340
So if we can have some sort of gardener, I know it's tricky, because everything is changing

6032
08:39:18,340 --> 08:39:21,520
so often, but if that's feasible, that's fair.

6033
08:39:22,120 --> 08:39:23,280
Right, thank you, Mr. Chair.

6034
08:39:23,900 --> 08:39:28,480
So obviously, as you say, there's a lot of new things always in the marketplace, we're constantly

6035
08:39:28,480 --> 08:39:33,900
being invited to purchase things, for example, in the solid waste space, many, many vendors

6036
08:39:33,900 --> 08:39:39,420
who have new ideas, and as was mentioned by Deputy Mayor, we want to make sure there's a track record.

6037
08:39:39,460 --> 08:39:41,120
We don't want to be the guinea pigs.

6038
08:39:41,600 --> 08:39:45,740
In this particular case, going backwards in time, I was a commissioner at the time.

6039
08:39:46,580 --> 08:39:50,420
The company was a leader in batteries but not in buses.

6040
08:39:51,060 --> 08:39:55,860
So the company that actually did the buses was rejected and the company that did focus on

6041
08:39:55,860 --> 08:39:56,860
batteries was accepted.

6042
08:39:56,860 --> 08:39:59,980
So under our procurement, we would always have.

6043
08:40:01,080 --> 08:40:11,260
Experience, track record, performance data, that sort of thing. But I think, for sure, we can look at those criteria and see how we can beef them up to make sure we don't make mistakes of this sort.

6044
08:40:11,560 --> 08:40:13,140
There enough, commissioner from District 1, you reckon?

6045
08:40:13,640 --> 08:40:30,260
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the spirit of guardwear else, I think probably in appropriate standard will be making sure some things agnostic enough that it doesn't, it's not singularly usable by the vendor that we get it from.

6046
08:40:30,340 --> 08:40:37,160
And so I think that's probably how we need to look at it, because I appreciate the mere

6047
08:40:37,160 --> 08:40:41,340
position, but we won't always be in a position where we have to wait for everyone else

6048
08:40:41,340 --> 08:40:43,600
to test something from around, but that's not realistic.

6049
08:40:44,640 --> 08:40:45,440
That's not realistic.

6050
08:40:45,720 --> 08:40:51,700
It's cool to say, but from our perspective, we will have to be, at some point, makes

6051
08:40:51,700 --> 08:40:56,900
some decisions where, hey, we don't know there isn't up.

6052
08:40:56,900 --> 08:41:01,100
There was 45 counties in the state using something.

6053
08:41:01,520 --> 08:41:08,400
But if you use the technology that's agnostic in a way or such that if that company goes

6054
08:41:08,400 --> 08:41:13,940
out of business, you can still actually work with other folks.

6055
08:41:15,000 --> 08:41:19,140
And so I think about it in terms of like transit, rapid mass transit.

6056
08:41:19,260 --> 08:41:25,200
We don't know which change the LPA for the North corridor to be elevated fixed gateway and

6057
08:41:25,200 --> 08:41:30,120
We've changed it because we wanted it to be open to different technologies, not just elevated heavy rail.

6058
08:41:30,760 --> 08:41:33,600
Because heavy rail is too expensive for us.

6059
08:41:34,140 --> 08:41:39,340
We changed the fixed guide, but all the fixed guide way, a lot of the fixed guide way technologies are new technologies.

6060
08:41:40,280 --> 08:41:47,580
The question that becomes, how could we use them? We used them by building a fixed guide way that allows for other modes.

6061
08:41:48,320 --> 08:41:50,800
So if that one doesn't work, we can still replace it.

6062
08:41:50,800 --> 08:42:03,760
And I think that that's how we need to probably approach our procurement when we're looking at that and what we're evaluating that, not just what it could be used for, but what is being proposed for what it could be used for.

6063
08:42:04,000 --> 08:42:08,260
And I think that's an appropriate guardrail to look at Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

6064
08:42:08,560 --> 08:42:08,700
Thank you.

6065
08:42:08,940 --> 08:42:11,240
I got the vice chair and the vice chair.

6066
08:42:11,440 --> 08:42:17,300
Thank you Mr. Chairman and look, I think I'm going to borrow a quote from my colleague.

6067
08:42:17,300 --> 08:42:21,420
I'm not going to tell you I told you so, but I told you so.

6068
08:42:22,400 --> 08:42:28,220
Years ago, when I was in Tallahassee, I organized all the South-Date leaders

6069
08:42:28,980 --> 08:42:38,080
to push against forcing a mode of transportation, particularly the BRT, against the wishes

6070
08:42:38,080 --> 08:42:38,840
of the people.

6071
08:42:40,620 --> 08:42:46,900
I stood there at that podium, and we had all the research we needed to convince the commission

6072
08:42:46,900 --> 08:42:53,840
then that going opposite of what the people wanted was truly going to be a disaster.

6073
08:42:54,900 --> 08:42:55,780
We stood at that podium.

6074
08:42:56,460 --> 08:43:04,440
We gave every reason why real should have been the preferred choice for the folk down

6075
08:43:04,440 --> 08:43:04,880
south.

6076
08:43:06,000 --> 08:43:10,620
And also we told them that they should have used that opportunity to connect the north in

6077
08:43:10,620 --> 08:43:19,860
South by real, that we thought that the opportunity that was presenting itself, that

6078
08:43:19,860 --> 08:43:21,860
that particular moment, it was right.

6079
08:43:23,160 --> 08:43:28,740
But we were told that we were wrong, that deals had already been made, conversations

6080
08:43:28,740 --> 08:43:35,500
had already been had, and that the issue was pretty much over and done with.

6081
08:43:35,500 --> 08:43:41,040
subsequently I came back and I said, hey, I think we have more problems with these companies,

6082
08:43:41,600 --> 08:43:49,460
particularly with their financial stability. And we were told, no, that is just me overlooking

6083
08:43:49,460 --> 08:43:56,340
some particular documents that I should simply just, no, my, my own business and so many words.

6084
08:43:57,120 --> 08:44:04,160
So the coalition in South Day fought for real for both North and South, but we ended up as we see

6085
08:44:04,160 --> 08:44:06,820
We got the BRT and we were told that these are electric buses.

6086
08:44:07,340 --> 08:44:11,120
These buses that have been sitting in this graveyard.

6087
08:44:11,220 --> 08:44:12,440
That's what we should call it.

6088
08:44:12,500 --> 08:44:13,620
It's a bus graveyard.

6089
08:44:15,500 --> 08:44:19,860
We're going to be the answer to save the South day people from misery.

6090
08:44:21,160 --> 08:44:26,740
I then took a trip over to the Department of Transportation and had an opportunity to see

6091
08:44:26,740 --> 08:44:29,020
those buses in its great state.

6092
08:44:29,580 --> 08:44:32,960
And again, they were dead then as they are dead now.

6093
08:44:33,520 --> 08:44:38,860
So now the question really becomes, what do we go back and we tell the great people of

6094
08:44:38,860 --> 08:44:44,320
the South day community and the people in the North day community about whether or not

6095
08:44:44,320 --> 08:44:51,680
their choices were overlooked due to other reasons that they had no privy to.

6096
08:44:51,980 --> 08:44:53,800
Now why do I bring all of that up?

6097
08:44:53,800 --> 08:44:59,960
It's because I am sure that there were...

6098
08:45:00,680 --> 08:45:09,320
Deals that were never made available to the people. Deals that I believe had they had information about.

6099
08:45:10,320 --> 08:45:17,900
They would have rallied against all of this. They would have called for resignations. They would have called for investigations.

6100
08:45:17,900 --> 08:45:24,600
but we're here now and I have full faith in my mirror, I have full faith in this

6101
08:45:24,600 --> 08:45:30,720
commission that we're going to do the right thing because at the end of the day

6102
08:45:30,720 --> 08:45:38,840
let's be absolutely clear we still need the rail down south. I'm telling you I

6103
08:45:38,840 --> 08:45:43,940
said BRT was the wrong choice then and I'm telling you it is still the wrong choice

6104
08:45:43,940 --> 08:45:47,780
and I'm telling you simply by looking at what's going on today by these

6105
08:45:47,780 --> 08:45:54,580
reports, it echoes exactly what I've been saying, that it was an inside job and it was

6106
08:45:54,580 --> 08:45:58,960
an inside hit on the great people of South D, which also affect the great people of North

6107
08:45:58,960 --> 08:46:03,660
D, and that at some point we got to come to realize that when we were calling for the

6108
08:46:03,660 --> 08:46:10,800
rail to the South D community, it was less than $1 billion. When we call for it at grade,

6109
08:46:10,800 --> 08:46:13,120
It was less than $600 million.

6110
08:46:14,340 --> 08:46:18,680
Now, we're stuck with a possibility of looking at a rail to the south,

6111
08:46:18,940 --> 08:46:25,060
whether it's at gray or not, somewhere way beyond $3 billion.

6112
08:46:27,830 --> 08:46:30,310
And now we're dealing with this bus fee askle.

6113
08:46:31,010 --> 08:46:34,290
Bus is there to find out a graveyard that's taking up space

6114
08:46:34,290 --> 08:46:36,350
that we can't even get our money back.

6115
08:46:36,890 --> 08:46:40,510
Information that we readily had available at the time we made a decision to make this purchase.

6116
08:46:40,510 --> 08:46:51,610
But again, I have full faith in my mayor, I have full faith in our commission that we're going to do the right thing and not allow this debacle to be the face of our transportation system.

6117
08:46:51,970 --> 08:46:57,290
And I do have a lot of faith in our director who's going to get us through it because he's always been on the frontline doing the right things.

6118
08:46:57,590 --> 08:47:04,210
And I just wanted to put that on a record. Again, I'm not going to say I told you so, but I told you so.

6119
08:47:06,450 --> 08:47:09,450
All right, I'm going to share a review as you recognize.

6120
08:47:09,730 --> 08:47:12,530
I have a question because I'm a little bit for the attorneys.

6121
08:47:13,450 --> 08:47:17,950
Do we have to reimburse the federal government on these grants or not?

6122
08:47:21,700 --> 08:47:23,080
Currently no.

6123
08:47:23,520 --> 08:47:25,860
Currently, yes, in other words, currently.

6124
08:47:26,580 --> 08:47:27,400
Did you have a question?

6125
08:47:27,640 --> 08:47:28,480
Yes, or no?

6126
08:47:29,580 --> 08:47:38,600
No, if you either keep the buses for the useful life or get the consent from FTA to retire them early.

6127
08:47:39,800 --> 08:47:47,460
DTPW is not retired them, but is asking FTA concurrence to allow us to retire them early.

6128
08:47:47,520 --> 08:47:51,740
If we get that concurrence, we can retire them or move them, use it for scrap metal.

6129
08:47:51,880 --> 08:47:58,460
If we don't, either we reimburse the federal government, a preratoportion, or they would

6130
08:47:58,460 --> 08:48:00,340
either go into service or sit there.

6131
08:48:00,340 --> 08:48:02,240
So as it stands now,

6132
08:48:04,400 --> 08:48:07,020
because, you know, keeping it for the full life for whatever year

6133
08:48:07,020 --> 08:48:10,580
you said 10, 15, whatever, they're not working, but we can keep them.

6134
08:48:10,700 --> 08:48:13,600
They could be sitting where they're sitting right now and everybody can take pictures and say,

6135
08:48:13,740 --> 08:48:21,680
look what if you ask them. But if we, if we do get, if we do have that agreement,

6136
08:48:21,960 --> 08:48:25,620
then we would be able to do whatever we want with it. We can sell a scrap metal, we could sell it

6137
08:48:26,260 --> 08:48:31,200
the city of Miami not just kidding. One of those we could do whatever we want with

6138
08:48:31,200 --> 08:48:31,740
it correct

6139
08:48:34,560 --> 08:48:39,240
yes depending upon the explicit terms of the FTA would give but in

6140
08:48:39,240 --> 08:48:44,180
general if they allowed us to retire or dispose of them we could do it as we

6141
08:48:44,180 --> 08:48:47,700
pleased yes they would be relinquishing their federal interest and so then we would

6142
08:48:47,700 --> 08:48:55,980
be able to do with those buses or parts as we please and as far as whatever we do

6143
08:48:55,980 --> 08:49:00,400
litigation or not. I don't want to impact the litigation so I preface my comments with that.

6144
08:49:00,780 --> 08:49:06,160
It's our feeling or understanding that the entity is no longer viable. They declared bankruptcies.

6145
08:49:06,400 --> 08:49:06,820
Is that correct?

6146
08:49:08,640 --> 08:49:14,660
The original manufacturer who delivered the buses filed bankruptcy, a subsequent company, Phoenix,

6147
08:49:16,140 --> 08:49:21,740
Motor, motor, transportation ink, filed assumed the contract.

6148
08:49:22,860 --> 08:49:27,880
our positions, they did not comply with the provisions of the contract, and so we have terminated

6149
08:49:27,880 --> 08:49:29,780
and filed suit with them.

6150
08:49:29,920 --> 08:49:30,800
He answered them.

6151
08:49:30,940 --> 08:49:35,940
In that contract between the original entity and or the one, if it was an amendment or not

6152
08:49:35,940 --> 08:49:40,020
to the contract with Phoenix, was there any clause for liquidated damages?

6153
08:49:40,200 --> 08:49:45,700
If in fact, they were not able to provide the service that one supposed is they would be

6154
08:49:45,700 --> 08:49:46,420
able to provide.

6155
08:49:50,800 --> 08:49:57,120
I have to look into it, but if I don't want to give an answer without having

6156
08:49:57,120 --> 08:49:58,420
coaching in front of me.

6157
08:50:00,000 --> 08:50:12,540
The issue is not the delivery of the buses. The issue would have been on on the warranty. The buses were delivered. So I need to look and see if there was a specific, liquid damage provision as it pertains to the warranty.

6158
08:50:13,300 --> 08:50:24,040
And the final question parts that also were not provided. The final question would be, do you, is there, do you have a timeline when you would expect the federal government to respond by?

6159
08:50:25,670 --> 08:50:28,190
I would defer to the director on that issue.

6160
08:50:28,750 --> 08:50:30,630
We had hoped they would already have responded.

6161
08:50:30,630 --> 08:50:34,910
They have come back to us with a few more questions that we are answering.

6162
08:50:35,630 --> 08:50:37,830
So we're anticipating within the next.

6163
08:50:38,550 --> 08:50:43,990
Hopefully, month or two, we get resolution with FTA regarding their financial interest.

6164
08:50:45,470 --> 08:50:46,750
One of they come back with those questions.

6165
08:50:47,630 --> 08:50:48,190
I'm sorry.

6166
08:50:48,410 --> 08:50:49,670
One of they come back with questions.

6167
08:50:49,790 --> 08:50:54,730
I believe they came back to questions last week or it was the week before last.

6168
08:50:54,730 --> 08:51:01,330
But it was within the last two weeks that they requested additional information and we've been corresponding with them.

6169
08:51:02,650 --> 08:51:08,630
So essentially, we just hope that after we answer their questions, we will get a final response.

6170
08:51:08,790 --> 08:51:11,810
But there's also a possibility that they might ask more questions, correct?

6171
08:51:12,470 --> 08:51:13,510
There is.

6172
08:51:13,690 --> 08:51:17,530
We had a very productive meeting with them a few weeks ago.

6173
08:51:17,990 --> 08:51:23,630
And we thought we had answered all of their questions and we're just waiting for their final response.

6174
08:51:23,630 --> 08:51:26,610
when they did come back to us with additional questions.

6175
08:51:27,290 --> 08:51:30,490
So yes, is it possible that they come back to us with additional questions?

6176
08:51:32,010 --> 08:51:32,070
Okay.

6177
08:51:32,070 --> 08:51:33,090
It's at their prerogative.

6178
08:51:33,230 --> 08:51:34,730
I mean, the only thing I would say, I don't remember.

6179
08:51:34,910 --> 08:51:36,410
I think might have been the chair that said it.

6180
08:51:36,470 --> 08:51:38,090
I just we need to be updated.

6181
08:51:38,570 --> 08:51:40,750
Sir, I'm sorry, automatically on this.

6182
08:51:41,270 --> 08:51:43,690
Probably a shorter time period than a longer one.

6183
08:51:44,190 --> 08:51:46,690
You know, because it's it's been going on for a while.

6184
08:51:46,690 --> 08:51:47,930
We're happy to do that.

6185
08:51:48,330 --> 08:51:53,170
I would amend my request of quarterly and or as new information becomes available.

6186
08:51:53,170 --> 08:51:59,630
whichever one is the soonest. I have Commissioner Regalado, Gonzales, and

6187
08:51:59,630 --> 08:52:03,610
Coyotekins. Thank you, and to follow up with what Commissioner

6188
08:52:03,610 --> 08:52:09,630
Rebunas was saying, Mr. Chair, I think that we should make a motion to provide

6189
08:52:09,630 --> 08:52:15,010
air support to the department by tasking our federal lobbyists to make this their

6190
08:52:15,010 --> 08:52:19,170
number one priority. I think that's what we need to do, because God bless them,

6191
08:52:19,210 --> 08:52:22,890
they're calling, and they're doing their thing, but we have a federal lobbying team

6192
08:52:23,510 --> 08:52:29,710
And they could help, so I think every day that we lose on this, we lose an opportunity

6193
08:52:29,710 --> 08:52:31,910
to do something with these buses.

6194
08:52:32,250 --> 08:52:35,670
So I think that we should make this a priority for our federal lobbying team.

6195
08:52:35,850 --> 08:52:36,170
Absolutely.

6196
08:52:36,290 --> 08:52:37,550
And I don't think we need a motion for that.

6197
08:52:38,410 --> 08:52:45,450
I think Jess can just direct our federal lobbying team to engage with transportation and do

6198
08:52:45,450 --> 08:52:45,730
that.

6199
08:52:45,730 --> 08:52:52,110
So just please, that's should definitely should be done for sure in collaboration with our director.

6200
08:52:53,610 --> 08:52:58,950
In terms of the lawsuit, I just have some questions for our attorneys and look, I think the

6201
08:52:58,950 --> 08:53:03,030
disposition from the FDA is important because then we can have the secondary conversation

6202
08:53:03,030 --> 08:53:04,510
as to what we do with those buses.

6203
08:53:04,510 --> 08:53:08,510
Right now, without a termination from the FDA, they're just sitting there and every day they're

6204
08:53:08,510 --> 08:53:13,310
sitting there, we lose the opportunity to monetize them in terms of selling them for parts

6205
08:53:13,310 --> 08:53:20,630
or whatever or fixing them but in terms of the lawsuit is there obviously a lot of

6206
08:53:20,630 --> 08:53:25,790
people are involved we talked about that it's a it's a national issue but have we

6207
08:53:25,790 --> 08:53:33,930
looked at how doing anything with these buses could impact that lawsuit so my

6208
08:53:33,930 --> 08:53:37,750
understanding is that that's not the case these are two very separate things one

6209
08:53:37,750 --> 08:53:41,770
thing is the buses and what the FTA allows us to do and the other thing is

6210
08:53:41,770 --> 08:53:48,070
seeding with the lawsuit correct? Correct. I don't think that whatever actions were taken

6211
08:53:48,070 --> 08:53:56,950
visibly FTA impacts the lawsuit either way. Okay. And in terms of the lawsuit, what are your

6212
08:53:56,950 --> 08:54:03,090
timing predictions for that? How long is there's a lot of people involved? That's always complicated.

6213
08:54:08,900 --> 08:54:15,940
But litigation was only initiated recently and I believe their responses do in the next two

6214
08:54:15,940 --> 08:54:20,980
three weeks we just got service so we're at the front end of the litigation so I couldn't even

6215
08:54:20,980 --> 08:54:26,980
give you a time table because there would be a scheduling order issued by the court and so

6216
08:54:26,980 --> 08:54:31,320
I couldn't I realistically couldn't give you a time table at this time as to when the matter would

6217
08:54:31,320 --> 08:54:38,280
be resolved. Okay. All right and then I agree that we should take some sort of policy decision again

6218
08:54:38,280 --> 08:54:44,560
make different mistakes and while I understand what Commissioner Gilbert is saying as in terms of

6219
08:54:44,560 --> 08:54:49,200
swapping out parts. So I think there's two separate things going on. Number one is how long

6220
08:54:49,200 --> 08:54:54,960
has a technology been out there and it has was it demonstrated somewhere and then two does

6221
08:54:54,960 --> 08:54:58,320
it is the technology one where we could swap out parts.

6222
08:55:01,200 --> 08:55:21,060
Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I'm listening diligently to all of my colleagues. I think it's important that, you know, in acknowledging this report, there's two things that are happening here, right? And so the first one is past mistakes. And I think it's important to put on the record that the protera issue is an issue that affected the entire United States.

6223
08:55:21,060 --> 08:55:29,880
The attorneys are not saying this. I am saying this. It's almost a defraudment that happened upon not only Miami-Dade County,

6224
08:55:30,340 --> 08:55:37,240
but Broward County, many counties all throughout Florida, Texas, Washington, North Carolina, Michigan, Wyoming.

6225
08:55:37,400 --> 08:55:44,420
And so I like the course of action that we've taken with the lawsuit and also with consulting with the federal government to make sure that one

6226
08:55:44,420 --> 08:55:50,000
We're able to recoup some of these funds and able to move forward doing something that works.

6227
08:55:51,020 --> 08:55:55,080
But, too, that we don't make this mistake again.

6228
08:55:56,140 --> 08:56:03,680
And that we go after this company and all of these bad actors with the furthest extent of the law

6229
08:56:03,680 --> 08:56:06,140
and all options available from what I understand.

6230
08:56:06,180 --> 08:56:12,060
The administration is already in that course, and I do appreciate that.

6231
08:56:12,060 --> 08:56:15,900
But now the second thing that we do have to contemplate is, what are we going to do in the future?

6232
08:56:16,380 --> 08:56:37,360
And I think the chairman was already alluding to that. We do need guardrails. I'm currently working on legislation that I'm putting together to try to put some of these guardrails in place so that in the future we don't purchase any of these technologies without understanding what the return on investment is.

6233
08:56:37,360 --> 08:56:44,540
One thing that I did take from the report is that even now and so that the

6234
08:56:44,540 --> 08:56:46,560
partera issue is totally different.

6235
08:56:47,400 --> 08:56:50,220
The flyer fleet issue is something else, right?

6236
08:56:50,480 --> 08:56:55,700
These are buses that are actually working and so these buses I did see that the

6237
08:56:55,700 --> 08:57:00,260
report said that it's too early to determine the new flyer fleet overall return on

6238
08:57:00,260 --> 08:57:05,600
investment and I think that before we continue to go down this route, I'm not saying that

6239
08:57:05,600 --> 08:57:09,980
This is not going to work, but we do need to understand what that return on investment is

6240
08:57:09,980 --> 08:57:12,920
before we purchase more of these electric buses.

6241
08:57:13,360 --> 08:57:14,780
So that's my two cents.

6242
08:57:14,920 --> 08:57:20,700
I am working on legislation to put a pause on this so that we can understand that it does,

6243
08:57:20,700 --> 08:57:26,900
in fact, produce a return on investment before we move forward.

6244
08:57:27,160 --> 08:57:27,540
Thank you, Mr.

6245
08:57:29,640 --> 08:57:30,080
Chair.

6246
08:57:30,200 --> 08:57:30,940
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

6247
08:57:30,940 --> 08:57:31,780
And thank you to my colleagues.

6248
08:57:31,780 --> 08:57:36,880
I think you commissioner Gonzalez for working on legislation regarding these guard

6249
08:57:36,880 --> 08:57:41,860
rails that clearly we need, but this was voted in October of 2019, if I'm not mistaken.

6250
08:57:42,220 --> 08:57:46,180
And now we're in 26 to the attorneys or to the administration.

6251
08:57:46,460 --> 08:57:49,920
Has there been any policy implemented by this board since finding out that this

6252
08:57:50,920 --> 08:57:56,720
protera catastrophe took place in, like, has there been any policy speaking to this issue regarding

6253
08:57:56,720 --> 08:58:01,500
new technologies? It's not a question. I'm authentically, to my memory,

6254
08:58:01,500 --> 08:58:07,540
I have not seen any legislation. Do you all know of any legislation that we have advanced?

6255
08:58:08,100 --> 08:58:08,540
Come here.

6256
08:58:08,680 --> 08:58:14,480
I'm not aware of any legislation. The board's advance. What I can tell you is that administration has this issue front of mine.

6257
08:58:14,980 --> 08:58:22,040
And every time a new technology comes to our SBD and whether nomad is evaluating it or any of our department directors.

6258
08:58:22,620 --> 08:58:27,380
We all say this and another criteria is that if it's not proven we're not interested in.

6259
08:58:27,380 --> 08:58:30,340
We take the beaten from the lobbyists who call and ask square out of work.

6260
08:58:30,540 --> 08:58:32,200
We promise there's a way this will work.

6261
08:58:32,380 --> 08:58:34,880
Well, if you can't show us where it works somewhere else, we're not interested.

6262
08:58:35,360 --> 08:58:38,820
But I'm happy to hear that because as our mayor said, I've said many times before,

6263
08:58:38,980 --> 08:58:41,840
it's, you know, we get lobbied obviously frequently as well.

6264
08:58:42,040 --> 08:58:45,540
We are too big of a county to be a guinea pig for any company.

6265
08:58:45,580 --> 08:58:51,420
Yes, we want to implement new technologies, but we can only afford to implement proven technologies.

6266
08:58:51,600 --> 08:58:56,500
And so I know that there are red flag policies in place that Commissioner

6267
08:58:56,500 --> 08:59:07,500
Soza had brought previously. I'm just wondering to commission her Gonzalez if you're working on the legislation. Whether red flag type of warnings in Procurement would be appropriate here.

6268
08:59:07,980 --> 08:59:16,700
Where there is some sort of a disconnect between what the company is proposing and their actual track record and more importantly with the actual spend that's being proposed here.

6269
08:59:17,000 --> 08:59:21,620
So something to consider because I think a red flag during the procurement process would have been helpful.

6270
08:59:21,620 --> 08:59:28,080
And then speaking to the procurement process back in 2019, this was competitively procured, right?

6271
08:59:28,400 --> 08:59:34,380
Presumably there were other companies that bid on this and somehow this company advanced to the top,

6272
08:59:34,600 --> 08:59:38,960
received the recommendation from the administration and passed at the BCC.

6273
08:59:39,720 --> 08:59:46,200
So my question is, have we since finding out about this done an internal look at either their selection committee,

6274
08:59:46,200 --> 08:59:55,060
our internal procurement department. I am perplexed as to how of spend as high as 70 million dollars

6275
08:59:55,060 --> 08:59:59,940
went through a full procurement and we have not looked at ourselves.

6276
09:00:00,000 --> 09:00:15,100
What else to say? What have we done here to allow this much money? How did we get to fraud it? Right? If it happened to another part of the country, how did a county, as large as we are, allow for a defrauding to take place to the tuna $70 million?

6277
09:00:15,960 --> 09:00:25,460
And if the question is, we have not looked at ourselves internally. My ask is a simple one. Please do so. Who were those selection committee members? What was presented to that selection committee?

6278
09:00:25,460 --> 09:00:30,200
How is it that something like this advanced at that time?

6279
09:00:30,720 --> 09:00:36,900
And what's even more concerning is that since 2019 there is no policy in place currently to prevent it from happening again.

6280
09:00:37,240 --> 09:00:40,260
So what is our strategic procurement department doing right now?

6281
09:00:40,700 --> 09:00:44,600
Not just talking points on a microphone or in news interviews and different articles,

6282
09:00:44,720 --> 09:00:51,120
but what are we doing right now to make sure that this doesn't happen again internally?

6283
09:00:51,120 --> 09:00:56,920
So I know that's big and it was a lot but simple question have we looked at ourselves and our internal procurement department

6284
09:00:56,920 --> 09:01:04,540
Those selection committee members and what they did to award this contract then because somebody made a ton of money off of this

6285
09:01:04,540 --> 09:01:12,360
I'm not suggesting us, but there were lobbyists involved somebody made a bag of money and we are left holding the bag

6286
09:01:12,360 --> 09:01:15,540
Have we done an internal investigation of ourselves?

6287
09:01:15,540 --> 09:01:23,880
Commissioner through the chair. I think I was the only person on the day-ass who was here at the time. I do remember very well

6288
09:01:24,760 --> 09:01:28,100
How heavily this was lobbied. I do remember

6289
09:01:29,760 --> 09:01:36,020
difficulties in making a decision and I think it's very fair to say we should look

6290
09:01:37,060 --> 09:01:43,340
We should look back at the tapes and and the records to just see exactly what happened, but let's be clear

6291
09:01:43,340 --> 09:01:51,700
we have a very active lobby core. Obviously they represent clients and they come to us with

6292
09:01:51,700 --> 09:02:03,240
choices. And I take great pride, I have to tell you, in our strategic procurement director, who I appointed.

6293
09:02:05,000 --> 09:02:11,140
Yes, I see other crimes. I also separated the procurement department. It used to be part of ISD.

6294
09:02:11,140 --> 09:02:16,020
I wanted those decisions to go more directly to my office.

6295
09:02:16,340 --> 09:02:20,620
I did not, because there were decisions that were made that were buried inside internal services.

6296
09:02:20,860 --> 09:02:23,060
I wanted them to be more directly reporting to the mayor.

6297
09:02:23,920 --> 09:02:27,120
I think you see the work of nomadopal in her team.

6298
09:02:27,420 --> 09:02:28,260
They are very thorough.

6299
09:02:28,560 --> 09:02:29,720
Changes have been made.

6300
09:02:30,160 --> 09:02:34,820
The chairman has just put forward first reading items that come out of the strip.

6301
09:02:34,820 --> 09:02:42,320
We spent our teams spent a lot of time with that body, provided a lot of recommendations.

6302
09:02:43,000 --> 09:02:50,220
Many of the things that were adopted by that group were things that were already changes that had been made by our procurement department.

6303
09:02:51,380 --> 09:02:56,240
Our procurement department has won national awards, I don't just mean NATO, I mean national awards.

6304
09:02:56,240 --> 09:03:06,740
So, I think we're really progressing well and through the work of strip, some of the bureaucratic delays and things like that have been addressed as well as selection committee issues.

6305
09:03:07,160 --> 09:03:16,200
So, more to be discussed, but I do think it'd be worthwhile to go back and look at that particular procurement and see exactly how we went down that path.

6306
09:03:16,200 --> 09:03:26,040
Yeah, thank you for staying at and I know that improvements have been made since and I look forward to the strip committee items as they move through the legislative process.

6307
09:03:26,560 --> 09:03:35,620
I will do that. I will look into that also because I just can't understand how something this large got as far as it did leaving us in this position.

6308
09:03:36,160 --> 09:03:38,440
And so I look forward to working with you on that metomer.

6309
09:03:38,660 --> 09:03:39,980
Thank you for answering the questions.

6310
09:03:40,680 --> 09:03:41,220
All right.

6311
09:03:41,280 --> 09:03:42,760
Commissioner Orbissie Reckonis.

6312
09:03:43,460 --> 09:03:44,420
I have a quick question.

6313
09:03:45,580 --> 09:03:46,560
I know that.

6314
09:03:46,700 --> 09:03:48,660
So when a car breaks down, we have a mechanic.

6315
09:03:49,180 --> 09:03:49,280
Great.

6316
09:03:49,700 --> 09:03:52,600
So when these buses break down, do we have a technician that works on them?

6317
09:03:52,600 --> 09:03:54,220
Or do we just report them broken?

6318
09:03:54,360 --> 09:03:58,080
And we have to wait for someone to come in, like a specialist, to come and maintain them.

6319
09:03:58,140 --> 09:04:02,140
Commissioner, the challenge with the buses that have rendered them inoperable is it's a,

6320
09:04:02,180 --> 09:04:05,600
they have software issues that the special last proprietary software that

6321
09:04:05,600 --> 09:04:11,800
one has access to, and we don't have it, and there's no one to provide that to us, which renders

6322
09:04:11,800 --> 09:04:12,520
them inoperable.

6323
09:04:12,760 --> 09:04:17,540
We have lots of software issues, and even the buses that we have, all of the buses, aren't

6324
09:04:17,540 --> 09:04:18,540
the exact same.

6325
09:04:18,920 --> 09:04:24,160
There's actually at least two different types of program in them, so one bus can break and

6326
09:04:24,160 --> 09:04:29,720
parts aren't even interchangeable in that same group of buses, so it is just a complete

6327
09:04:30,320 --> 09:04:33,220
terrible situation that we don't have the service available.

6328
09:04:33,220 --> 09:04:36,760
we don't have the software and the technicians and it's not offered by anybody.

6329
09:04:37,520 --> 09:04:42,780
Okay, so bus breaks down. It just gets hauled and stored away and it's well, in general, of course,

6330
09:04:42,920 --> 09:04:49,780
we have a maintenance department. The new flyer buses are being repaired as needed by our mechanics.

6331
09:04:50,380 --> 09:04:56,200
These particular buses were being repaired initially, but as across the country, these buses were

6332
09:04:56,200 --> 09:04:58,900
failing it overwhelmed the company.

6333
09:04:59,340 --> 09:04:59,980
Nameda is referring to.

6334
09:05:00,000 --> 09:05:29,040
Reminding me that their CEO passed away suddenly in 2021 and was just 44. So obviously, the company had a major challenge from that, and there was a lot of customization of the buses. They were over there. They were beyond their capabilities, basically. So we did get repair during the time that they were still in business. When there was a successor company, we did get some help with the repairs, but eventually they were not able to perform in that is why we filed the lawsuit.

6335
09:05:30,000 --> 09:05:32,800
So do we have someone in house that can repair these currently?

6336
09:05:32,820 --> 09:05:34,200
These particular, of these.

6337
09:05:34,240 --> 09:05:42,700
Or the old buses and the new ones, or do we need to, every time it breaks down, do we need to bring in someone from their company to repair it?

6338
09:05:43,240 --> 09:05:48,180
So through the chair, the, uh, the protera buses and I only really want to speak to them.

6339
09:05:48,220 --> 09:05:58,040
Obviously, all of our other buses, we have maintenance staff who are, well, well, prepared to deal with our other parts of our fleet.

6340
09:05:58,040 --> 09:06:01,000
and our new flyer fleet, which are under warranty,

6341
09:06:01,600 --> 09:06:03,040
are being serviced as needed.

6342
09:06:03,540 --> 09:06:06,320
So in the instance of our pro-terrorist fleet,

6343
09:06:06,620 --> 09:06:09,520
there were certain components that started breaking down

6344
09:06:09,520 --> 09:06:10,740
that were under warranty.

6345
09:06:11,320 --> 09:06:14,640
Parts of those were not things we could readily repair.

6346
09:06:14,940 --> 09:06:17,680
The batteries were not things that we had

6347
09:06:17,680 --> 09:06:19,340
the opportunity to repair,

6348
09:06:19,780 --> 09:06:22,680
and there were gears that needed to be replaced

6349
09:06:22,680 --> 09:06:25,040
and re-manufactured those aren't things

6350
09:06:25,040 --> 09:06:26,300
that we could prepare.

6351
09:06:26,300 --> 09:06:42,120
But we're perics, excuse me, so with the part of the fleet that is still functioning, we are actually ourselves repairing the buses and making sure that the small number that do function, that we keep them in use.

6352
09:06:42,640 --> 09:06:48,760
We are pulling other items from other buses that aren't functioning to make sure that we keep a few buses running.

6353
09:06:48,760 --> 09:06:56,460
But the main components of the buses that were failing were not things we could repair they had that physically be replaced

6354
09:06:56,460 --> 09:07:04,240
Got it and do we have the expertise to to do those repairs the ones that we are doing we are we aren't repairing them ourselves

6355
09:07:04,240 --> 09:07:05,160
Okay

6356
09:07:05,160 --> 09:07:08,300
All right, thank you. Thank you. See you soon. All right

6357
09:07:08,300 --> 09:07:08,760
So

6358
09:07:09,820 --> 09:07:15,360
That's that we're going to get the reports either quarterly or more often as soon as it becomes available and

6359
09:07:15,360 --> 09:07:20,340
And we're going to establish some parameters in guardrails to protect this from recurring.

6360
09:07:21,480 --> 09:07:24,360
All right, with that, our next discussion item is 6B1.

6361
09:07:25,260 --> 09:07:28,900
Commissioner Lopez, you are the prime sponsor of this item.

6362
09:07:29,360 --> 09:07:32,720
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for placing this discussion item on the agenda.

6363
09:07:33,060 --> 09:07:38,680
A number of advocacy groups have asked me about the implications of Senate Bill 1134,

6364
09:07:38,920 --> 09:07:43,820
which is affectionately known as the DEI bill on the impacts on the county.

6365
09:07:43,820 --> 09:07:58,260
It doesn't take it into effect until January 1st of 2027, but that falls within the fiscal year of our 2026-27 budget that we're currently reviewing and will take up in September during the first and second budget hearings.

6366
09:07:58,720 --> 09:08:09,920
Those same advocacy groups have expressed concerns about the impacts and have expressed a desire for the county to challenge or to seek further clarification of Senate Bill 1134.

6367
09:08:09,920 --> 09:08:17,640
can tell you that it's incredibly vague, and the consequences of being accused of being either

6368
09:08:17,640 --> 09:08:22,280
misfeasants or malfeasants in removal of office or being sued by any resident,

6369
09:08:22,640 --> 09:08:29,000
a Miami-Dade County causes me lots of concern, especially if you think we might over-correct

6370
09:08:29,000 --> 09:08:34,740
or under-correct, given the vagueness of the bill. I know our county attorney's office has

6371
09:08:34,740 --> 09:08:40,400
a considerable amount of time on this issue. And because of the nature of the bill and the

6372
09:08:40,400 --> 09:08:46,660
possibility of legal action, it's best that we all limit our discussions regarding Senate

6373
09:08:47,560 --> 09:08:53,080
bill 1134, those discussions in public for that reason. If you have any questions, such as,

6374
09:08:53,100 --> 09:08:56,140
I've been working with the County Attorney's Office for months now since the bill was signed

6375
09:08:56,140 --> 09:09:01,600
by the governor. I recommend all of you to follow up with the County Attorney, but I would

6376
09:09:01,600 --> 09:09:08,900
ask that you all consider a motion to direct the county attorney to research the county's

6377
09:09:08,900 --> 09:09:09,260
ability.

6378
09:09:09,480 --> 09:09:12,720
If you all could quiet down in the back, please.

6379
09:09:16,760 --> 09:09:17,160
Thank you.

6380
09:09:17,520 --> 09:09:17,880
Thank you.

6381
09:09:18,560 --> 09:09:22,720
I would just move to direct the county attorney's office to research the county's ability to

6382
09:09:22,720 --> 09:09:29,020
challenge the validity of Senate Bill 1134 or alternatively ask a court to clarify how it

6383
09:09:29,020 --> 09:09:33,240
applies to the county and then brief each commissioner individually regarding the results

6384
09:09:33,240 --> 09:09:34,420
of their research.

6385
09:09:34,420 --> 09:09:39,160
I continue to feel very uncomfortable about the law.

6386
09:09:39,660 --> 09:09:44,300
I've read it so many times as has the county attorney's office, and it continues to give

6387
09:09:44,300 --> 09:09:50,560
me lots of reasons to be concerned, especially since the law is specific on promoting

6388
09:09:51,320 --> 09:09:57,840
it directly or indirectly, any activity or program that may fall within this law, and that

6389
09:09:57,840 --> 09:09:59,540
goes for not only us but our staff.

6390
09:10:00,000 --> 09:10:08,400
So I think it's important that we get some clarification and often times the only way to do so is to go to the courts.

6391
09:10:10,100 --> 09:10:11,460
Commissioner Gilbert, you recognize?

6392
09:10:13,550 --> 09:10:22,350
I agree that we need to find a way to challenge it. I'm trying to figure out the best ways. I guess I have some conversations with the, I need to have some questions about what we do here.

6393
09:10:22,930 --> 09:10:27,150
Are we asking for a declarative, I mean, what are you, are you asking us to see?

6394
09:10:27,850 --> 09:10:33,810
to have the county attorneys explore the options of declaratory judgment or a challenge of sorts.

6395
09:10:37,580 --> 09:10:39,340
Through the chair to the attorney,

6396
09:10:43,870 --> 09:10:46,670
is that a viable path there? I mean, I have some ways

6397
09:10:46,670 --> 09:10:48,150
that I think we might want to look at this,

6398
09:10:51,410 --> 09:10:54,890
but. Commissioner, we have been reviewing this for quite

6399
09:10:54,890 --> 09:11:01,970
some time and we do think that there may be some challenges with that approach. We will continue to look

6400
09:11:01,970 --> 09:11:08,490
if that's the directive of this board, and see what options are available, our, you know,

6401
09:11:08,610 --> 09:11:13,970
preference would be to do that and to brief each of you individually, so you can understand

6402
09:11:15,210 --> 09:11:21,530
the issues, not just of any potential challenges to the validity or even seeking clarification,

6403
09:11:22,010 --> 09:11:26,990
but also we'd like to brief you just on the impact of this legislation on the county's

6404
09:11:26,990 --> 09:11:31,410
operations in a day-to-day matter. It's our intention to try to reach out and do that with each of

6405
09:11:31,410 --> 09:11:34,770
individually and August before the budget hearings are possible.

6406
09:11:36,370 --> 09:11:38,190
So, okay, through Chairman McIntyne,

6407
09:11:44,310 --> 09:11:48,190
so how this works with regards to community groups

6408
09:11:49,150 --> 09:11:50,430
is that

6409
09:11:52,600 --> 09:11:57,800
we won't be able to fund some people because of what their name is or what they do.

6410
09:11:59,260 --> 09:12:04,380
The population is served. That group will then be adversely affected.

6411
09:12:08,540 --> 09:12:09,480
The reason why we won't be

6412
09:12:09,480 --> 09:12:13,100
to do that is because of the state law.

6413
09:12:15,650 --> 09:12:16,810
They should sue us.

6414
09:12:21,820 --> 09:12:24,540
I think that that's probably

6415
09:12:25,280 --> 09:12:32,720
and we, that's the state. No. No, I'm saying that the group should sue us. The state

6416
09:12:32,720 --> 09:12:36,640
would then have to intervene to defend their statute.

6417
09:12:39,490 --> 09:12:41,110
If they didn't intervene to defend

6418
09:12:41,110 --> 09:12:45,110
their statute, then we just settle. But it's not, it's not. It's not the record of

6419
09:12:45,110 --> 09:12:50,350
want anybody to sue us. Let's walk this back just a minute, because this is not

6420
09:12:50,350 --> 09:12:53,310
our doing here. So I got you, I was trying to make second.

6421
09:12:55,410 --> 09:12:57,590
So I, obviously, is a

6422
09:12:57,590 --> 09:13:01,770
discussion item that was requested by Commissioner Lopez. She said her piece. I just

6423
09:13:01,770 --> 09:13:08,930
be mindful that this may go into litigation at some point. So be mindful of that. I

6424
09:13:08,930 --> 09:13:14,110
think it's important for you also listen to what Jerry just very delicately and eloquently

6425
09:13:14,110 --> 09:13:22,130
said, which is it is her intent to meet with each and every one of us, prior to the budget

6426
09:13:22,130 --> 09:13:28,330
hearing or whatnot, and over the next month, and brief us individually as to what resources

6427
09:13:28,330 --> 09:13:35,130
we have, because I think you're right. I think for us to do some sort of essentially

6428
09:13:35,130 --> 09:13:43,830
also to the state of any capacity is is not risky but challenging for sure.

6429
09:13:43,950 --> 09:13:47,870
It's a gentleman and what I was going on is I don't know that we have standing so that's

6430
09:13:47,870 --> 09:13:52,290
the challenge I don't think we have standing so the how we get before court is somebody challenging

6431
09:13:52,290 --> 09:13:57,170
us yeah somebody challenging us so I think that's how we get before the court.

6432
09:13:57,930 --> 09:14:06,330
All right nice chair thank you Mr. Chairman and I think it was Dr. King who said that

6433
09:14:06,330 --> 09:14:19,650
and unjust law is no law at all, and this is one of the most ridiculous pieces of legislation that could have easily passed the legislature.

6434
09:14:21,310 --> 09:14:25,930
I think there should be a lawsuit against Miami-D. County.

6435
09:14:26,130 --> 09:14:30,790
I think every group out there that's going to be impacted should actually come together,

6436
09:14:31,090 --> 09:14:34,570
hired themselves one of the greatest attorneys here in Miami-D. County to represent them,

6437
09:14:34,570 --> 09:14:40,310
to find himself a great firm, and sue the county, and force the state to intervene similar

6438
09:14:40,310 --> 09:14:42,250
to what Commissioner Geber stated.

6439
09:14:43,170 --> 09:14:50,150
But I also want to understand that doing so is going to call us some unease, and I'm prepared

6440
09:14:50,150 --> 09:14:51,150
for it.

6441
09:14:51,450 --> 09:14:57,130
The fact that a matter is, there are going to be so many organizations out there who we are

6442
09:14:57,130 --> 09:14:59,590
responsible and part for.

6443
09:15:00,000 --> 09:15:15,860
Showing that they have a voice in this community, that once this law takes effect, and we violate, there's possibilities that some of us can be removed from office, because of the teas that this piece of legislation has.

6444
09:15:16,660 --> 09:15:22,480
So I simply say to the voters out there if you're listening, if you feel like you're going to be impacted, if you feel like you need some assistance.

6445
09:15:22,480 --> 09:15:27,480
I think you should find yourself in a attorney, make sure that you're prepared to go to

6446
09:15:27,480 --> 09:15:30,340
Long Hall and sue the county and force the state to intervene.

6447
09:15:31,200 --> 09:15:31,220
All right.

6448
09:15:31,620 --> 09:15:34,480
So I might end up cutting this short.

6449
09:15:34,700 --> 09:15:43,300
I think it is entirely negligent for any of us up here to encourage a lawsuit against myself.

6450
09:15:43,340 --> 09:15:48,200
Because I am a taxpayer of this county and that will be me paying for that lawsuit.

6451
09:15:48,680 --> 09:15:51,160
Anyone else that's a property owner paying property taxes?

6452
09:15:51,160 --> 09:16:12,760
So, Commissioner Gilbert, respectfully, and Vice Chair, respectfully, I think it is entirely negligent to encourage anyone to sue this county, whether it is a philosophical, ideological, personal, or not, whatever it is, you just, I think it's completely, Senator Garcia, you're not one to quit.

6453
09:16:14,240 --> 09:16:20,260
I mean, you are not one to correct, I mean, not everyone up here.

6454
09:16:21,520 --> 09:16:27,080
That was not, I'm not going to say what the word is, but I just, look, I think as I continue

6455
09:16:27,080 --> 09:16:33,660
recognizing the rest of you, be mindful that we are not encouraging anyone to sue themselves

6456
09:16:33,660 --> 09:16:38,560
if they're property owners, because this is, I mean, it's just completely negligent to say

6457
09:16:38,560 --> 09:16:41,620
that I understand the sentiment behind it.

6458
09:16:41,940 --> 09:16:44,560
I understand that that might be a recourse for us

6459
09:16:44,560 --> 09:16:46,420
to then turn around and get the state to intervene.

6460
09:16:47,600 --> 09:16:50,420
We are not encouraging that to be the case at all.

6461
09:16:50,480 --> 09:16:52,200
That is not a policy of this board.

6462
09:16:52,980 --> 09:16:54,960
That is not where we are going with this.

6463
09:16:58,240 --> 09:17:00,980
But Commissioner Regalado, you recognize.

6464
09:17:01,220 --> 09:17:02,720
Thank you.

6465
09:17:02,920 --> 09:17:05,820
Commissioner Lopez, I appreciate that there's a lot

6466
09:17:05,820 --> 09:17:14,120
organizations that want a declaratory judgment, we would not have standing or an injury.

6467
09:17:15,140 --> 09:17:21,960
We just wouldn't, because there's a million reasons why we would not put someone in a

6468
09:17:21,960 --> 09:17:22,340
budget.

6469
09:17:23,160 --> 09:17:26,580
How would you prove that it is because of this?

6470
09:17:26,940 --> 09:17:31,720
So it's a very complex thing to throw us in the mix.

6471
09:17:31,720 --> 09:17:40,940
I think organizations that receive government funding should challenge this law and request a

6472
09:17:40,940 --> 09:17:44,240
declaratory judgment or our clarification.

6473
09:17:45,000 --> 09:17:55,980
I think that is the most viable path forward to use us as a way to not pay an attorney

6474
09:17:55,980 --> 09:17:58,680
by using our attorneys as a whole other different thing.

6475
09:17:58,680 --> 09:18:02,100
But we would be kicked out because of standing in because of an injury.

6476
09:18:02,740 --> 09:18:08,480
Now, if we were to fund and then we were removed, that would be a different conversation,

6477
09:18:09,220 --> 09:18:09,380
right?

6478
09:18:10,220 --> 09:18:18,020
But to date, we have not even established how we are going to interpret this statute.

6479
09:18:18,080 --> 09:18:19,040
So I agree with you.

6480
09:18:19,100 --> 09:18:19,980
We've all read it.

6481
09:18:20,100 --> 09:18:21,380
And we have a million questions.

6482
09:18:21,620 --> 09:18:28,660
It was poorly drafted, respectfully, for those of you who were part of legislature, one of the

6483
09:18:28,660 --> 09:18:31,660
for drafting, it seems to be the norm.

6484
09:18:33,100 --> 09:18:36,700
So not the exception, but that being said,

6485
09:18:36,740 --> 09:18:38,860
it needs to bear itself out,

6486
09:18:39,200 --> 09:18:42,860
and there are a lot of impacted organizations

6487
09:18:42,860 --> 09:18:45,420
that should ask for clarification.

6488
09:18:45,920 --> 09:18:48,220
We are not the best suited to do that.

6489
09:18:48,700 --> 09:18:52,040
Currently, we have to evaluate it,

6490
09:18:52,040 --> 09:18:54,260
take a position based on our risk,

6491
09:18:55,280 --> 09:18:56,860
and move forward on our budget.

6492
09:18:56,860 --> 09:19:08,820
But even then it's going to be very difficult to prove causation and our injury and our standing are very different from their injury and their standing.

6493
09:19:09,020 --> 09:19:17,460
So I appreciate that we want to help, but for us it's a very very different situation than for those that are impacted.

6494
09:19:19,460 --> 09:19:27,720
Thank you, Mr. Chair, to kind of echo the concerns. Please, please don't to us. I don't

6495
09:19:27,720 --> 09:19:32,580
know if you saw our county attorney's face when that messaging was being advanced. Please,

6496
09:19:32,660 --> 09:19:39,280
please to be clear, don't sue us. But I think the message is one that we need to seriously

6497
09:19:39,280 --> 09:19:44,880
consider. We are the largest county in the state of Florida. We are a donor county and more

6498
09:19:44,880 --> 09:19:59,480
importantly, we are a majority minority county and so it is not, it is right for our residents to look to us for leadership on this issue and they're saying help us because this is going to affect us come January.

6499
09:20:00,000 --> 09:20:29,540
So, I look forward to the conversations that we're going to have. Jerry, I am wondering, because it is a discussion item. I'm not so much interested in speaking of the litigation, because I want to quail and reduce it, not increase it. I don't think that's the path forward for a number of reasons. But why can't we, as a board, through either our home rule charter powers, our own policy-making decisions, as a body, create something that allows us to maneuver around this the way that we have in so many other areas.

6500
09:20:29,540 --> 09:20:36,500
So, they passed a poorly worded statute that we can craft our own ways around potentially

6501
09:20:36,500 --> 09:20:39,500
or can we add something to our humble charter?

6502
09:20:40,120 --> 09:20:40,940
That speaks to this.

6503
09:20:40,960 --> 09:20:43,240
I believe today is the deadline to get it on the ballot.

6504
09:20:43,480 --> 09:20:43,920
Come November.

6505
09:20:44,260 --> 09:20:49,480
Is there something that we can write into our humble charter that speaks to this issue?

6506
09:20:49,780 --> 09:20:54,380
And if the answer is no, I accept that as well, but I think that when the state passes

6507
09:20:54,380 --> 09:20:59,520
a lot that we are forced to comply with, that we don't agree with, that has consequences

6508
09:20:59,520 --> 09:21:06,940
in it as great as being removed from office, that we need to get very creative as the largest,

6509
09:21:06,940 --> 09:21:11,780
most powerful, most diverse county in my immediate, in the state, excuse me, keeps saying

6510
09:21:11,780 --> 09:21:16,020
my mandate. In this state, to put our heads together to see how we essentially can't protect

6511
09:21:16,020 --> 09:21:19,660
our community, because that's essentially what our communities asking us to do here,

6512
09:21:19,960 --> 09:21:24,380
because there's so many that rely on those dollars. So that's a question to the attorneys.

6513
09:21:24,500 --> 09:21:28,780
I don't know that you have those answers crafted for us as we sit here today, but I have to believe

6514
09:21:28,780 --> 09:21:35,240
that there is something that we can use via the power of our pen to craft something to help

6515
09:21:35,240 --> 09:21:42,600
serve our majority minority massive county of Miami, and if you answer and say actually the

6516
09:21:42,600 --> 09:21:47,880
answer is no, then I'll accept that as well and go back to the drawing board, but I want to

6517
09:21:47,880 --> 09:21:52,700
be clear that I don't support encouraging anybody community groups and individuals to sue us on

6518
09:21:52,700 --> 09:21:57,880
this. Our resources are already extremely thin in our litigation in our county attorney's office.

6519
09:21:57,880 --> 09:22:04,220
we do not want you to sue us, but equally, we are looking at this, we are trying to figure this out,

6520
09:22:04,280 --> 09:22:09,280
we are trying to advocate and represent our very diverse community. We haven't figured out a path forward yet,

6521
09:22:09,420 --> 09:22:12,860
but I believe that we're going to be working with you all very closely to achieve that.

6522
09:22:13,240 --> 09:22:18,960
So is there an opportunity at all? And you may say yes, generally, or you may say,

6523
09:22:18,960 --> 09:22:26,900
know, to either pen something that, in any way, allows us to, you know, to circumvent this.

6524
09:22:26,960 --> 09:22:30,920
If the answer is no preemption is preemption, is there anything we can put into our charter

6525
09:22:30,920 --> 09:22:35,480
potentially anything outside of litigation that you all have considered that you might be able

6526
09:22:35,480 --> 09:22:40,460
to advise us even if it's generally and will have specific conversations come September or

6527
09:22:40,460 --> 09:22:40,980
August.

6528
09:22:41,700 --> 09:22:47,380
Commissioner, we do not believe that the charter is a vehicle for amending, you know, or preempting

6529
09:22:47,380 --> 09:22:55,360
law. At this point in time, however we do understand the impact that this will have on the county's

6530
09:22:55,360 --> 09:23:00,000
operations going forward, both from the promotion standpoint as well as the funding standpoint

6531
09:23:00,000 --> 09:23:07,280
and on the community. And we have been meeting, I would say, at least three times weekly,

6532
09:23:07,380 --> 09:23:15,640
some days, three times daily because the breadth of this statute is expansive. And it will touch many

6533
09:23:15,640 --> 09:23:21,040
areas of this county and the way we operate and ways that people maybe have not even considered

6534
09:23:21,040 --> 09:23:21,920
as of yet.

6535
09:23:22,420 --> 09:23:27,840
And I just want to pledge to you that we've taken it seriously and we understand what this

6536
09:23:27,840 --> 09:23:33,440
means to the community and we will stand ready to speak with each of you about any options

6537
09:23:33,440 --> 09:23:37,000
that you will have going forward, hopefully before the budget hearing and September.

6538
09:23:38,140 --> 09:23:39,060
And final question.

6539
09:23:39,300 --> 09:23:43,900
And you mentioned the budget hearing comes September because what we adopt in September I understand

6540
09:23:43,900 --> 09:23:47,660
that this law does not take effect until January 1st,

6541
09:23:47,700 --> 09:23:49,360
but we're gonna pass a budget in September

6542
09:23:49,360 --> 09:23:53,280
that may or may not include dollars that

6543
09:23:53,280 --> 09:23:56,360
may be an eligible cum January potentially.

6544
09:23:57,820 --> 09:24:01,460
So anyway, a lot of questions I look forward to working with you,

6545
09:24:01,480 --> 09:24:03,780
but I just wanted to make clear that I share the sentiment

6546
09:24:03,780 --> 09:24:06,260
that I feel like we have a moral

6547
09:24:06,260 --> 09:24:10,200
and potentially a legal obligation to stand up as a county

6548
09:24:10,820 --> 09:24:12,520
on this issue and make our voices

6549
09:24:12,520 --> 09:24:15,740
as heard as possible in our lack of support.

6550
09:24:15,980 --> 09:24:16,940
Thank you so much, Mr. Chair.

6551
09:24:17,260 --> 09:24:17,880
Thank you, Commissioner.

6552
09:24:17,980 --> 09:24:21,960
And I will say that you actually hit the nail on the head

6553
09:24:21,960 --> 09:24:24,840
on a point there, which is, and I was waiting

6554
09:24:24,840 --> 09:24:26,580
to let everyone speak without, I'll say it,

6555
09:24:26,680 --> 09:24:27,760
because it was a good segue.

6556
09:24:28,500 --> 09:24:32,140
So in addition, of course, to the countless conversations

6557
09:24:32,640 --> 09:24:34,460
with the County Attorney's Office on this topic,

6558
09:24:34,560 --> 09:24:38,380
that my office of myself has had the mayor and myself,

6559
09:24:38,720 --> 09:24:40,280
and that's had several conversations.

6560
09:24:40,280 --> 09:24:45,960
we've actually rolled up our sleeves and I think this is a good moment to allow and to say

6561
09:24:45,960 --> 09:24:54,780
to the community that we are not just taking what the state passed in the governor signed and

6562
09:24:54,780 --> 09:24:59,960
blindly implementing it. We are rolling up our sleeves and we are seeing where

6563
09:25:00,000 --> 09:25:09,380
Being deeper and seeing what other services these organizations offer, who they help in our community, what larger groups that are not just one minority group.

6564
09:25:09,760 --> 09:25:28,020
We're not trying to circumvent the law, we're not trying to find a loophole, but we are trying to dig deeper and see what broader service do these organizations help fund and support in the entire community, not just in a minority portion of it, in order to make sure that we can maintain some of these services.

6565
09:25:28,020 --> 09:25:33,980
the mayor has been an advocate of that since this was even a discussion prior to it being

6566
09:25:33,980 --> 09:25:38,220
signed by the governor and again we've had several conversations where we've actually discussed

6567
09:25:38,220 --> 09:25:45,340
this so again it is not something that we're just blindly implementing something that the state

6568
09:25:45,340 --> 09:25:52,620
past we're we're exploring all options obviously jointly with the county attorney's office we want

6569
09:25:52,620 --> 09:26:00,020
make sure that we run no files here and we are in this particular case and some may disagree

6570
09:26:00,020 --> 09:26:06,480
with this one word but we need to be conservative because they are personal repercussions

6571
09:26:07,500 --> 09:26:17,020
that the state can take on this body including a believe removal is one of them right so

6572
09:26:17,020 --> 09:26:21,040
We're making sure we run no files, but that we, we definitely,

6573
09:26:21,780 --> 09:26:27,480
diligently explore all options on this, guys, I've got you already

6574
09:26:27,480 --> 09:26:29,640
down. We're not changing subjects until you all go, you know,

6575
09:26:29,700 --> 09:26:32,820
it's not like we're not in kindergarten, you know, I got you all.

6576
09:26:33,000 --> 09:26:36,500
But if mayor, if you want to kind of address that because it was a

6577
09:26:36,500 --> 09:26:38,080
segue to what we've been working on.

6578
09:26:38,120 --> 09:26:41,360
Thank you so much, Mr. Chair, and I completely agree with how you've

6579
09:26:41,360 --> 09:26:44,460
characterized it. And we've been looking out at other counties,

6580
09:26:44,460 --> 09:26:51,860
other cities, other commissions, other organizations, and what actions they're taking, a lot of

6581
09:26:51,860 --> 09:26:58,440
people obviously trying to figure out how to proceed. I will, during our budget briefings, share

6582
09:26:58,440 --> 09:27:03,900
some ideas that I have not only for a non-profits, but for our own internal operations, ways that we

6583
09:27:03,900 --> 09:27:10,960
can ensure that community voices can still be heard. Thank you, Mr. Chair. All right, so I've got

6584
09:27:10,960 --> 09:27:14,870
Commissioner from District 4, Commissioner.

6585
09:27:15,650 --> 09:27:17,930
When I, okay, this is, this is like a recurring issue.

6586
09:27:18,370 --> 09:27:19,830
I don't, but you don't look to another commissioner.

6587
09:27:19,990 --> 09:27:22,650
I don't think you're not, like, until you, or you lose your stuff.

6588
09:27:22,650 --> 09:27:23,570
All right, so.

6589
09:27:23,690 --> 09:27:23,950
All right.

6590
09:27:24,810 --> 09:27:26,590
I want us to just take a moment.

6591
09:27:26,910 --> 09:27:29,150
If you look around the room, look around the status.

6592
09:27:30,150 --> 09:27:33,850
This bill affects every, in some form,

6593
09:27:34,030 --> 09:27:38,290
in some capacity affects every one of us, okay?

6594
09:27:38,550 --> 09:27:40,890
So this is such an expansive bill.

6595
09:27:40,890 --> 09:27:47,450
So you may think, oh, it's some, you know, Bill that won't affect me, but it does, but it does,

6596
09:27:47,470 --> 09:27:49,970
because it affects every one of us up here to some degree.

6597
09:27:49,990 --> 09:27:52,170
That's how broadly this bill is written.

6598
09:27:52,870 --> 09:27:56,710
And so to that, I want to first of all, thank you, Commissioner Lopez, for bringing this forward.

6599
09:27:57,170 --> 09:28:01,410
I think it's important that we have this conversation, and of course, mindful of the conversation,

6600
09:28:01,410 --> 09:28:03,850
because we do have our attorneys over there.

6601
09:28:04,070 --> 09:28:08,450
And we do want to make sure that we put ourselves in the best posture possible.

6602
09:28:09,550 --> 09:28:17,750
So, so I just want clarity in exactly what you'd like us to try to resolve today or give direction with, but I will say this.

6603
09:28:18,750 --> 09:28:19,690
We do need to be careful.

6604
09:28:19,950 --> 09:28:29,530
I mean, we could look at this through many different lenses, and I, for one, obviously, because there's so much ambiguity, I would take advantage of that ambiguity personally.

6605
09:28:30,890 --> 09:28:43,770
But as they look at me, but I do think that, you know, to have the attorneys explore and come back to us and individually, I think is the smart first step.

6606
09:28:44,870 --> 09:28:55,250
That way we get as much clarity and we can have these conversations because if we do end up in any sort of situation in the future, I want to make sure that we, again, put ourselves in the best posture forward.

6607
09:28:55,250 --> 09:29:01,470
So, Chairman, I do think, you know, if that was a motion, I'll just rephrase it.

6608
09:29:01,570 --> 09:29:03,170
I'm happy to second that motion.

6609
09:29:03,670 --> 09:29:04,570
Okay, so is that the motion?

6610
09:29:05,390 --> 09:29:06,230
It was.

6611
09:29:06,330 --> 09:29:10,650
It was, I will rephrase it to direct the county attorney to research.

6612
09:29:11,410 --> 09:29:16,470
The county's ability to challenge the validity of Senate Bill 1134, or alternatively,

6613
09:29:16,550 --> 09:29:20,370
ask a court to clarify how it applies to the county, and then brief each commissioner

6614
09:29:20,370 --> 09:29:23,090
individually regarding the results of their research.

6615
09:29:23,090 --> 09:29:25,070
So, I just have the memory.

6616
09:29:25,710 --> 09:29:26,130
May I?

6617
09:29:26,250 --> 09:29:26,870
It's or, though.

6618
09:29:26,970 --> 09:29:28,770
It doesn't mean it's not directing them to do it.

6619
09:29:29,150 --> 09:29:30,610
It's either or.

6620
09:29:31,570 --> 09:29:35,750
I just want them to research it and then get back to us individually to let us know what our options are.

6621
09:29:36,010 --> 09:29:42,130
Yeah, because let me tell my one concern about going with the route of just going straight to the courts is that

6622
09:29:42,130 --> 09:29:47,490
Well, I don't know legally what we can and can't do in terms of standing, but that's for them to figure out.

6623
09:29:47,970 --> 09:29:50,710
But, you know, I don't want to have them determine for us.

6624
09:29:50,710 --> 09:29:53,090
like I'd rather us create our positions,

6625
09:29:53,590 --> 09:29:55,590
what if there are like they're looking at other municipalities

6626
09:29:55,590 --> 09:29:57,630
and other counties that are also being affected

6627
09:29:57,630 --> 09:29:59,430
of this up and down the coast, right?

6628
09:30:00,000 --> 09:30:27,500
This wonderful state. So what's going to happen is some may have a more liberal interpretation. And I don't want to then hurt those municipalities or counties, because now we're seeking some sort of rendering from a court that may look at it through a more as the term was used conservative lens. And we may now hurt maybe some other municipality in the state.

6629
09:30:27,500 --> 09:30:34,640
So I don't know. So I like the idea of supporting the direction to explore. I need to know more about it before.

6630
09:30:35,200 --> 09:30:41,260
So maybe you can restate that to say, okay, then I'll restate it to explore the options available to us,

6631
09:30:42,540 --> 09:30:45,460
of the impacts of Senate Bill 1134 and get back to us individually.

6632
09:30:48,430 --> 09:30:52,670
Yes, with options, including all options. All options. I would say all options.

6633
09:30:53,230 --> 09:30:56,770
I think all options should be on the table. All right. We got a motion. We got a second

6634
09:30:56,770 --> 09:31:02,010
by Commissioner Steinberg, and Commissioner Gilbert, you're still recognized.

6635
09:31:02,270 --> 09:31:04,670
I stripped you from the recognition, because you were talking about lawsuit with

6636
09:31:04,670 --> 09:31:05,190
and stuff.

6637
09:31:05,650 --> 09:31:05,670
Yeah.

6638
09:31:05,670 --> 09:31:06,170
Back on it.

6639
09:31:06,590 --> 09:31:10,650
But it was a comma and you assumed it was a period and it was like went on and it

6640
09:31:10,650 --> 09:31:11,270
was a thing.

6641
09:31:12,310 --> 09:31:12,530
Okay.

6642
09:31:14,070 --> 09:31:18,450
So, no, I don't want people to come after us for money, but if we created an application

6643
09:31:20,690 --> 09:31:26,470
process for, I don't know, our, you know,

6644
09:31:26,470 --> 09:31:31,330
community-based organization funds money that we give out and for instance some of the groups that are

6645
09:31:31,330 --> 09:31:36,510
affected they apply but we don't accept their application because we can't under the new law

6646
09:31:36,510 --> 09:31:43,990
then they get to seek the claretory judgment against us. That's how you get to court faster.

6647
09:31:45,930 --> 09:31:52,450
That's just how you get to court faster. I appreciate the swimming. We can't. It's going to be

6648
09:31:52,450 --> 09:31:57,350
for us to sue you all. So, if you want to get to court before January,

6649
09:32:00,700 --> 09:32:01,720
I think that's,

6650
09:32:01,720 --> 09:32:07,440
and we need, we need somebody to tell us how to interpret this, because to your credit

6651
09:32:07,440 --> 09:32:12,660
Mr. Chairman, there's, there's peril here for elected officials and for public officials who

6652
09:32:12,660 --> 09:32:23,180
actually go against the statute. So it's dangerous. I think we create a process because they won't

6653
09:32:23,180 --> 09:32:29,940
be able to receive funds under that process because of the statute, they look at it.

6654
09:32:30,360 --> 09:32:37,360
I mean, now the other route, I don't know if this is possible, we could also just give

6655
09:32:37,360 --> 09:32:43,220
all of our money for these type of events to the mind-me foundation and let them administer

6656
09:32:43,220 --> 09:32:43,820
it.

6657
09:32:44,080 --> 09:32:48,140
Well, I think it goes further than just CBOs though, I think it's departments, it's a lot

6658
09:32:48,140 --> 09:32:48,860
more than just.

6659
09:32:48,860 --> 09:32:54,740
Well, it's everything, but we could start by doing something like that and see if it's legal.

6660
09:32:54,920 --> 09:32:58,060
You never know. I mean, we could try doing something like that.

6661
09:32:58,080 --> 09:33:03,360
Commissioner, I think, but those, those are options, but I'm not advocating that they sue us for money.

6662
09:33:03,380 --> 09:33:13,280
I'm advocating that we need to actually get in front of a judge. And that's probably the quickest way for a judge to tell us whether this law is binding or not.

6663
09:33:13,280 --> 09:33:13,940
I've got that.

6664
09:33:14,340 --> 09:33:15,460
Commissioner from District 12.

6665
09:33:16,460 --> 09:33:17,240
I'll be brief.

6666
09:33:17,760 --> 09:33:18,980
I think it's the way for the attorneys.

6667
09:33:19,200 --> 09:33:21,240
I'm fine with the motion because we need to get their opinion.

6668
09:33:21,240 --> 09:33:27,000
But I just want to remind this August body that during the double taxation, cripple

6669
09:33:27,000 --> 09:33:33,800
taxation days of mitigation, and some of you were here, King George, you know, who he

6670
09:33:33,800 --> 09:33:41,600
was, and the commission, there was a bill passed in Tallahassee by partisan, signed by

6671
09:33:41,600 --> 09:33:45,800
Charlie Christ eliminating mitigation, not making it up.

6672
09:33:46,040 --> 09:33:51,160
One county issue, because that was an issue we had to get around, and the county sued.

6673
09:33:51,760 --> 09:33:54,000
The county sued over that state law.

6674
09:33:54,760 --> 09:34:02,120
Eventually, we reached an agreement, King George and I, and mitigation was given up by the

6675
09:34:02,120 --> 09:34:09,500
county, because legally this was a state law, but the county went into the courts.

6676
09:34:09,500 --> 09:34:17,960
First, lost at the beginning because it was in Tallahassee, and then brought it down to a local judge here in Miami-Dade County who had once been a county attorney.

6677
09:34:18,900 --> 09:34:35,320
So, while I'm telling you, I'm not, because I agree with our chairman, that these are different times, these are different worlds, and I do think that we have to be very smart in the way we deal with the reality of what's happening from Tallahassee.

6678
09:34:35,320 --> 09:34:42,960
but the fact that if the county has an opinion on a certain law that may impact the county,

6679
09:34:44,560 --> 09:34:49,020
they're the excuse that that's not one of them, and I'll be the best option, may not be the one

6680
09:34:49,020 --> 09:34:57,460
we want to take them, and I'll be the one you guys recommend, but in the past, you did to over a state law.

6681
09:34:58,480 --> 09:34:59,400
That was past.

6682
09:35:00,000 --> 09:35:07,980
That supported municipalities because I was the one that had to fit the other side and fight you. So, I can tell you that's not impossible.

6683
09:35:08,760 --> 09:35:16,400
Now, whether that will place you in the same position as an organization that may be impacted directly, that we can debate.

6684
09:35:16,800 --> 09:35:24,260
But when you look at these cases, I'm going to ask you, then why the hell did you see me back in 2006?

6685
09:35:25,480 --> 09:35:30,820
because, truthfully, that was a state law that was passed by partisan signed by the governor.

6686
09:35:33,180 --> 09:35:33,880
For one last.

6687
09:35:34,300 --> 09:35:36,800
All right. Vice Chairman, what's a call?

6688
09:35:36,840 --> 09:35:37,340
Thank you.

6689
09:35:38,040 --> 09:35:39,060
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

6690
09:35:39,580 --> 09:35:41,600
And what I'm about to say is probably not going to be popular.

6691
09:35:41,960 --> 09:35:45,120
And I don't want to expect to be the popular kid on the day is.

6692
09:35:46,800 --> 09:35:51,240
But I am putting the county attorneys office on notice.

6693
09:35:51,860 --> 09:35:54,300
You're also putting the state on notice.

6694
09:35:55,140 --> 09:35:56,460
I'm putting everybody on notice.

6695
09:35:56,520 --> 09:35:58,780
As a personal person, not as a commissioner.

6696
09:35:59,460 --> 09:35:59,760
This body.

6697
09:36:01,880 --> 09:36:09,940
If removal is what is going to take to stop me from urging the folk of Miami D. County, especially those of my district, who are going to be affected.

6698
09:36:11,120 --> 09:36:18,100
If removal is the option of the state of the governor, then removal is going to have to be.

6699
09:36:18,100 --> 09:36:26,200
I intend to encourage my residents and those who are support to break this law.

6700
09:36:26,620 --> 09:36:36,940
I intend, come on please, please, I intend if possible to fund organizations that support

6701
09:36:36,940 --> 09:36:38,340
up with in this community.

6702
09:36:39,900 --> 09:36:45,560
And if that is making some people uncomfortable, well I believe those in Tallahassee should

6703
09:36:45,560 --> 09:36:51,120
thought it through because now they're making us feel uncomfortable and I am not going back to my

6704
09:36:51,120 --> 09:36:57,420
district facing the people who put me in office to represent their voice in their position and

6705
09:36:57,420 --> 09:37:04,540
tell them that they are representative chose to hold on to a seat as opposed to fighting for their

6706
09:37:04,540 --> 09:37:13,090
position. So I'm just putting everyone on notice I intend to encourage a different result from many up here

6707
09:37:13,090 --> 09:37:18,250
But I'm not going to back now on this one, this is the one where we put the flag into the ground

6708
09:37:18,950 --> 09:37:23,230
All right, we got a motion. We got a second on favor signify by say aye

6709
09:37:25,110 --> 09:37:28,050
All right all opposed knee shut past

6710
09:37:30,410 --> 09:37:36,750
Madam attorney or Mr. Attorney. There's a motion that I have and then we're gonna go around the room for motions

6711
09:37:36,750 --> 09:37:38,330
But you start with mind,

6712
09:37:43,780 --> 09:37:43,800
please

6713
09:37:43,800 --> 09:37:47,100
I have two or three. What would I make it to Naranja? What's the plan?

6714
09:37:47,660 --> 09:37:52,400
Commissioner Rodriguez, Mr. Point Commissioner Vicki Lopez to the Miami River Commission.

6715
09:37:53,160 --> 09:37:58,460
All right. Commissioner Gonzalez moves that item for me.

6716
09:37:58,600 --> 09:38:03,160
Seconded by Commissioner Regalado on favor signify by say aye.

6717
09:38:03,440 --> 09:38:06,600
All opposed names. Show it past. Next one.

6718
09:38:06,660 --> 09:38:13,460
Chairman Rodriguez moves to amend the 2026 calendar of the Board of County Commissioners to cancel the

6719
09:38:13,460 --> 09:38:19,920
meeting. This is this Thursday's meeting. We've got only about like three items. We'll be

6720
09:38:19,920 --> 09:38:24,860
just sending it to the very next zoning CDMP meeting. It's been moved by Commissioner

6721
09:38:24,860 --> 09:38:29,880
Gonzalez, second by the Vice Chair. All the favour, signify by say aye.

6722
09:38:30,620 --> 09:38:36,240
All opposed nay. Show that meeting cancelled in the motion pass. Commissioner is that

6723
09:38:36,240 --> 09:38:40,960
offer me? That's all I have for you, Mr. Chairman. Commissioner of Vermuters, you recognize

6724
09:38:40,960 --> 09:38:47,700
for motion. Motion's our appointments. Yeah, I have three motions. You guys going to read one of them?

6725
09:38:48,040 --> 09:38:51,440
I have two for you commissioner for me. And I'll lie that third one. Go ahead.

6726
09:38:52,760 --> 09:38:55,980
Would you like me to go ahead and read the motion? Yeah, read the half. Okay.

6727
09:38:56,300 --> 09:38:59,780
Commissioner for you, Mayor does moves to direct the county mayor. Mayor says you need to include the

6728
09:38:59,780 --> 09:39:04,500
county commissioner district 12 of the membership of the new airport policy and institutional advisory committee

6729
09:39:04,500 --> 09:39:09,320
reference in the mayor's June 30th, 2026 member random regarding the feasibility of creating a new

6730
09:39:09,320 --> 09:39:13,260
careport capable of accommodating cargo, commercial passengers, and general aviation activities.

6731
09:39:14,260 --> 09:39:21,800
My logic for this is that 90% of the county's commercial and 100% of its other activities,

6732
09:39:22,060 --> 09:39:26,900
but at 90% of the commercial probably is coming out of the airport to not have district

6733
09:39:26,900 --> 09:39:34,720
12 on there when all the businesses are in the area are directly impacted by the airport.

6734
09:39:35,520 --> 09:39:39,680
Obviously, I think district 12 should be included because there's a lot of them.

6735
09:39:39,740 --> 09:39:43,020
I'm a saw the business in district 12. Good number of them are part of connected to the airport.

6736
09:39:45,610 --> 09:39:50,550
So you got the motion. Yeah, it's my motion. It's just to be included in that what's it called again?

6737
09:39:50,570 --> 09:39:54,050
Membership with a new airport policy and institutional advisory committee.

6738
09:39:54,570 --> 09:39:56,450
All right. So wait. I miss it because I was being spoken to.

6739
09:39:57,090 --> 09:39:58,670
So what is it that you want to do? I'm sorry.

6740
09:39:58,910 --> 09:39:59,590
The airport.

6741
09:40:00,430 --> 09:40:26,970
New airport policy in an institutional advisory committee, which is reference in the mayor's June 30, 20, 26 memorandum, which regards the feasibility of creating a new airport capable of accommodating cargo, commercial passengers, and general aviation activities, the district that is most impacted by the airport with all due respect to district 6, which is also in fact this district 12, and I think that we should have a position on that board or whatever it is.

6742
09:40:26,970 --> 09:40:30,830
This is which board is this though when I create the CARES Act there's this other one no

6743
09:40:31,950 --> 09:40:35,170
The new airport policy and institutional advisory committee

6744
09:40:36,130 --> 09:40:39,850
Yeah, the mayor's that one's no longer exit that one she dismantled

6745
09:40:41,310 --> 09:40:44,250
Nope, not just man. Oh

6746
09:40:44,250 --> 09:40:50,750
Got it. Okay, all right, that's fine. Yes, that's okay. So it's been moved. It's been seconded by the vice chair

6747
09:40:50,750 --> 09:40:54,770
I'd like to piggyback on that and get an appointment as well

6748
09:40:54,770 --> 09:40:56,470
Okay, I think that you you are

6749
09:40:56,970 --> 09:40:59,250
I think you are on it, okay.

6750
09:40:59,830 --> 09:41:01,730
Is this, is this too, wait, is this?

6751
09:41:01,870 --> 09:41:02,890
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

6752
09:41:02,890 --> 09:41:05,010
Because I was being asked about

6753
09:41:05,010 --> 09:41:07,430
niranger meetings and stuff in the back end.

6754
09:41:08,110 --> 09:41:08,870
All right, hold on.

6755
09:41:09,030 --> 09:41:10,850
This is, no more item, right?

6756
09:41:11,050 --> 09:41:12,890
No multi-tasking after 5 p.m.

6757
09:41:12,990 --> 09:41:13,970
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

6758
09:41:13,970 --> 09:41:15,450
This is where the motions get interesting.

6759
09:41:15,570 --> 09:41:16,970
All right, what's in the committee that?

6760
09:41:17,010 --> 09:41:22,570
So this is my directive to create, was this my thing to create?

6761
09:41:22,570 --> 09:41:30,950
Yeah, there was a mayors, but it was based on my directive to explore different airport matters, right?

6762
09:41:31,170 --> 09:41:39,170
Okay, yes, all right, so and then right now the way it stands the way that we did this is that each member that has an airport has a seat on it

6763
09:41:39,170 --> 09:41:45,590
Is that how it what's the current structure today versus what vermita's just trying to add to it?

6764
09:41:45,590 --> 09:41:53,390
Yeah, I believe it does have Tamiyami, if I'm correct it did not have 12. I don't know if six was on there

6765
09:41:53,870 --> 09:41:59,750
The six may be on there, but the business is in district 12 are deeply impacted by this

6766
09:42:05,400 --> 09:42:06,440
Okay, let's

6767
09:42:06,440 --> 09:42:11,740
Nothing has been done this very second can we table that motion until until until it comes up

6768
09:42:12,180 --> 09:42:17,560
Like the next meeting or something. Let me because I think we still need to discuss with the mayor some details on it

6769
09:42:17,560 --> 09:42:18,580
Let's just

6770
09:42:18,580 --> 09:42:25,420
it doesn't matter, everyone could have an input, it's not that. I don't want to happen

6771
09:42:25,420 --> 09:42:28,960
what Gonzales just did, which he's already on it. He didn't even know he's already

6772
09:42:28,960 --> 09:42:32,180
on it. But I don't want to just, oh, I want it. I want it. It can't become like the

6773
09:42:32,180 --> 09:42:36,900
well, well, West here. So let's, I'm going to make it easy for you. And that's fine.

6774
09:42:37,020 --> 09:42:42,220
I'm willing to wait because I respect to you. But right now, Commission District 789 and

6775
09:42:42,220 --> 09:42:45,880
11 are on there. Yes. I argue it would be that six and 12 should be on there

6776
09:42:45,880 --> 09:42:48,440
because that big airport, Miami National Airport,

6777
09:42:48,440 --> 09:42:49,620
impacts these two committees.

6778
09:42:50,460 --> 09:42:53,360
Yeah, I agree that six and 12 should be on there.

6779
09:42:53,580 --> 09:42:54,900
I'll share it through the chair.

6780
09:42:54,960 --> 09:42:56,880
I just need, yes, Madam Mayor.

6781
09:42:57,100 --> 09:42:58,980
I'm very happy to accommodate representation

6782
09:42:58,980 --> 09:43:00,320
from District 12.

6783
09:43:00,600 --> 09:43:01,620
Yeah, and six at that point.

6784
09:43:01,960 --> 09:43:02,880
And six.

6785
09:43:03,440 --> 09:43:04,560
Because six is the positive.

6786
09:43:04,560 --> 09:43:05,200
Yes, sure.

6787
09:43:05,660 --> 09:43:06,360
Six and 12.

6788
09:43:06,620 --> 09:43:07,740
The airport's in District 6.

6789
09:43:07,820 --> 09:43:08,640
Six and 12.

6790
09:43:08,720 --> 09:43:08,920
Indeed.

6791
09:43:09,620 --> 09:43:10,320
So, all right, I didn't hear that.

6792
09:43:10,340 --> 09:43:11,680
Okay, so I'm good with that too.

6793
09:43:11,860 --> 09:43:13,020
Let's bring it back.

6794
09:43:13,200 --> 09:43:14,940
Let's just do it so that we can kind of see

6795
09:43:14,940 --> 09:43:18,460
What the right structures, but yes, it's not a big deal, it should be fine.

6796
09:43:18,740 --> 09:43:19,900
All right, you have more though.

6797
09:43:20,040 --> 09:43:20,100
All right.

6798
09:43:20,180 --> 09:43:21,220
What's the next one you want to read the other?

6799
09:43:21,460 --> 09:43:24,280
Commissioner Brimier, this news to authorize and direct the County Mayor, County

6800
09:43:24,280 --> 09:43:28,500
Mayor's designate to enter into a grant agreement with NBC Universal or its subsidiary

6801
09:43:28,500 --> 09:43:35,880
or affiliate to provide a grant of $1.1 million, $20,000, and legally available, General

6802
09:43:35,880 --> 09:43:40,780
Funds, originally allocated for film incentives for the production of Miami Vice 85, provided

6803
09:43:40,780 --> 09:43:44,700
the production complies with the terms of the grant agreement and further moves to authorize

6804
09:43:44,700 --> 09:43:48,600
the county mayor does a need to execute the grant agreement and exercise the provisions

6805
09:43:48,600 --> 09:43:52,500
they're in following approval by the county attorney's office for form and legal

6806
09:43:52,500 --> 09:43:53,420
sufficiency.

6807
09:43:54,100 --> 09:44:02,300
This is Miami Vice movie, okay, don't everybody get excited and Delimundo and B.C.

6808
09:44:02,440 --> 09:44:03,760
Obviously would bring production.

6809
09:44:03,960 --> 09:44:08,280
I think it's 37 days, hundreds of thousands of dollars.

6810
09:44:08,280 --> 09:44:15,120
The impact would be over $35 million of stuff to Miami-Dade County.

6811
09:44:15,340 --> 09:44:16,560
We're second up.

6812
09:44:16,560 --> 09:44:17,180
Mr. Chairman.

6813
09:44:17,580 --> 09:44:18,660
It's a chair moved by Commission of Remutas.

6814
09:44:18,660 --> 09:44:19,280
Wait, wait.

6815
09:44:19,280 --> 09:44:20,600
If I may.

6816
09:44:20,660 --> 09:44:21,400
Our occasion.

6817
09:44:21,960 --> 09:44:22,280
Commission.

6818
09:44:22,620 --> 09:44:23,300
Okay, so it's been moved.

6819
09:44:23,560 --> 09:44:24,600
It's been seconded.

6820
09:44:24,620 --> 09:44:25,380
Senator Garcia.

6821
09:44:26,400 --> 09:44:29,120
If you're asking to have a part in the movie.

6822
09:44:30,800 --> 09:44:31,280
That's.

6823
09:44:31,340 --> 09:44:32,360
We're going to have to discuss that, Senator.

6824
09:44:32,620 --> 09:44:35,340
It may be a part of the movie when I kill someone after that.

6825
09:44:38,960 --> 09:44:42,200
You are the filmmaker, though. You are the film guy.

6826
09:44:42,380 --> 09:44:45,320
And this is what happens when people don't have lunch.

6827
09:44:46,880 --> 09:44:50,560
I'm starving. I'm starving here. I'm starving here.

6828
09:44:50,600 --> 09:44:53,920
Mr. Chairman, this is part of the film and center program that we've been working.

6829
09:44:54,320 --> 09:44:58,700
We've worked on, unfortunately, last year, we voted to scale back to incentives.

6830
09:44:58,700 --> 09:44:59,980
and right now I

6831
09:45:00,000 --> 09:45:09,800
I think we have been having conversation with these individuals per month, but I don't think this is appropriate time to move forward with this until we clarify exactly how this incense is going to work.

6832
09:45:10,180 --> 09:45:14,660
So, I'm going to go ahead and ask Mr. Commissioner Brimoudes if you can please withdraw it.

6833
09:45:15,140 --> 09:45:25,460
I would try and under the understanding that I've already spoken to them, and I think maybe we can sunshine it together. You can get the part in the movie because obviously your movie star looks to get you a little bit further.

6834
09:45:25,460 --> 09:45:34,120
But the reality is that we need to do it quickly because I don't want to miss the opportunity to bring this much work to Miami-Date County.

6835
09:45:34,860 --> 09:45:40,800
We won't miss the opportunity. We've been having some conversations, and I'll make sure we get this right back on track.

6836
09:45:41,220 --> 09:45:43,600
I'm fine. I'm fine doing it with you getting it together.

6837
09:45:44,300 --> 09:45:55,440
Okay, I will say this though, because to me, my go-to guy for film is Senator Garcia, right? As far as he has made himself the film

6838
09:45:55,440 --> 09:46:22,200
King. And actually advocated to even move this under office of chair. It was moved over without proper funding, but it's here. And now we're dealing it, but I would. And I see that because I've been, they've reached out to me as well. I'm sure they've reached out to both of you. That's why you making the motion. That's why you're saying you've having communication. If someone wants to approach the well, if there's anyone here from that that's requesting this funding, I don't think they're here today.

6839
09:46:22,200 --> 09:46:22,620
They're not here.

6840
09:46:22,960 --> 09:46:22,980
Okay.

6841
09:46:23,320 --> 09:46:27,980
Just to be clear, I'm just saying they probably came to me, not because I have the movie star

6842
09:46:27,980 --> 09:46:29,420
looks of Senator Renee Garcia.

6843
09:46:29,420 --> 09:46:30,000
They're not clear.

6844
09:46:30,120 --> 09:46:34,980
Because District 12 is where Delimundo NBC's at, and that's probably one of the reasons.

6845
09:46:35,000 --> 09:46:35,160
Right.

6846
09:46:35,320 --> 09:46:35,700
They're not here.

6847
09:46:36,120 --> 09:46:37,280
It doesn't matter who it comes to.

6848
09:46:37,320 --> 09:46:38,140
I just appreciate it.

6849
09:46:38,160 --> 09:46:38,640
It doesn't matter.

6850
09:46:39,160 --> 09:46:40,740
I don't partake in that.

6851
09:46:40,980 --> 09:46:45,020
It's one whammy day, county, says we've been trying to work through some issues on this, and

6852
09:46:45,020 --> 09:46:47,780
I just want to appreciate that we can kick this until the next.

6853
09:46:47,820 --> 09:46:48,580
I'm fine with that.

6854
09:46:48,580 --> 09:46:49,360
My only question.

6855
09:46:49,620 --> 09:46:51,620
And if you're both agreeing to that, I imagine you're on or something.

6856
09:46:51,620 --> 09:46:58,860
I don't know is it's not like a time frame issue right like it's there's no like time line that they're going to like go somewhere else or anything like that

6857
09:46:58,860 --> 09:46:59,540
Mr. Chairman

6858
09:47:00,300 --> 09:47:07,160
When you talk about the high incentive film. It's always they always have to film first and then they get them. Okay, all right, I didn't know. Hey, that's why you're my film

6859
09:47:07,160 --> 09:47:12,240
The only reason I'm happy to share is because you're but if you know, I think they we could talk to them

6860
09:47:12,240 --> 09:47:17,480
They gave the impression hey the quicker the better because you know how it is with the film. I love when you guys work together

6861
09:47:17,480 --> 09:47:20,180
So that's fine. We'll work. All right

6862
09:47:20,180 --> 09:47:27,000
So you have one more next meeting are we deferring it next week. It's a motion, so it's not necessarily the next meeting

6863
09:47:27,000 --> 09:47:30,640
You guys could make the motion any time. Yeah, we'll bring it back for the next meeting. We'll talk before

6864
09:47:30,640 --> 09:47:37,860
Then I've a little sunshine about it. We could sunshine. We can sunshine the next the next one. I'll read

6865
09:47:38,280 --> 09:47:46,620
I would move this is board. This is an urgent I would move that the board urge the United States Congress and President Donald J Trump to reinstate temporary protected status or TPS

6866
09:47:46,620 --> 09:47:49,260
for Nationals of Venezuela, Haiti, Honduras,

6867
09:47:49,480 --> 09:47:51,500
and Icaragua, and any other Caribbean or Latin American

6868
09:47:51,500 --> 09:47:53,920
country for which TPS status was recently revoked,

6869
09:47:54,520 --> 09:47:55,700
and direct the clerical, the board,

6870
09:47:55,840 --> 09:47:57,720
the transmit a certified copy of the resolution

6871
09:47:57,720 --> 09:48:00,100
memorializing in this motion to the United States presence,

6872
09:48:00,140 --> 09:48:01,500
speak of the U.S. House of Representatives.

6873
09:48:02,200 --> 09:48:04,820
The present pro-themp of the U.S. Senate members

6874
09:48:04,820 --> 09:48:06,280
of the Florida Congressional delegation

6875
09:48:06,280 --> 09:48:08,700
and direct the county's federal lobbyist to advocate

6876
09:48:08,700 --> 09:48:12,020
for the foregoing and direct the office of intergovernmental affairs

6877
09:48:12,020 --> 09:48:14,620
to amend the 2026 federal legislative package

6878
09:48:14,620 --> 09:48:15,580
to include this item.

6879
09:48:16,980 --> 09:48:24,420
It's just an urging, but listen, Commissioner Cohen Higgins said correctly, we are a minority

6880
09:48:24,420 --> 09:48:25,620
of majority county.

6881
09:48:26,580 --> 09:48:31,240
Right now, the Venezuelan community and the Haitian community is probably going through

6882
09:48:31,240 --> 09:48:37,240
the most difficult situation when it comes to being able to work here.

6883
09:48:37,240 --> 09:48:41,160
I know the mayor and Commissioner Bastien will be having a press conference tomorrow precisely

6884
09:48:41,740 --> 09:48:43,760
because so many people are employed here.

6885
09:48:43,760 --> 09:48:51,860
So, while it's just an urging, I think it behooves this commission to speak out and at least say,

6886
09:48:53,260 --> 09:48:54,560
it's important to us.

6887
09:48:55,640 --> 09:48:58,560
All right, so there's a motion. There's a second by Commissioner Gilbert.

6888
09:49:00,020 --> 09:49:02,640
Listen as a co-sponsor, add me on to that co-sponsor ship as well.

6889
09:49:04,060 --> 09:49:09,600
And Lopez as well, or Mrs. Well, TPS.

6890
09:49:09,600 --> 09:49:18,580
Oh, yeah, yeah, that day is let's let's wrap it up guys. The whole the whole what is it give me a good give me a good mod

6891
09:49:18,580 --> 09:49:21,880
I don't want to mess up a word again to center give me a the whole

6892
09:49:23,580 --> 09:49:28,080
Okay, that's what I was looking for you see. Thank you, Marcus. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you

6893
09:49:28,080 --> 09:49:30,240
Someone had a bunch are out here

6894
09:49:30,240 --> 09:49:35,740
Someone had you packed your lunch people. Yeah, you packed your lunch. All right, so there's a motion

6895
09:49:35,740 --> 09:49:38,680
there's a second by Gilbert on favor signify by say and I.

6896
09:49:40,120 --> 09:49:42,580
You got one for me as you got one.

6897
09:49:42,580 --> 09:49:44,480
You're not very well, but you got one.

6898
09:49:44,480 --> 09:49:48,420
I'm very honored to have a sunshine with Senator Garcia.

6899
09:49:49,320 --> 09:49:50,280
In the sunshine.

6900
09:49:50,580 --> 09:49:51,900
It's going to be wonderful.

6901
09:49:52,260 --> 09:49:54,440
District 12 and 13 working together.

6902
09:49:55,160 --> 09:49:57,840
All right, we're just having any emotions or appointments.

6903
09:49:58,100 --> 09:49:58,780
I have a motion.

6904
09:49:59,060 --> 09:49:59,360
All right.

6905
09:49:59,360 --> 09:49:59,980
you want to read your

6906
09:50:00,000 --> 09:50:02,940
Yes, I will have the County Attorney's actually.

6907
09:50:03,080 --> 09:50:04,000
I'll need to earn it.

6908
09:50:06,000 --> 09:50:11,800
Commissioner Millian Orbis moves to amend resolution R-1236-25, relating to the amendment to the

6909
09:50:11,800 --> 09:50:16,620
easement agreement between Miami-Dade County and the Lyon-Tera, Miami-Tera's LLC for

6910
09:50:16,620 --> 09:50:21,000
a portion of LLM Trail, adjacent to South-Eath Street, the easement agreement. To further

6911
09:50:21,000 --> 09:50:25,140
authorize the County Mayor, Mayor Svezigni, to incornation with the County Attorney's Office,

6912
09:50:25,440 --> 09:50:29,360
revise the easement agreement regarding the County's defaults and rights of South-Cure, provided

6913
09:50:29,360 --> 09:50:33,340
that the revisions do not result in any additional obligations to the county.

6914
09:50:33,500 --> 09:50:34,300
I like that.

6915
09:50:34,380 --> 09:50:37,580
Move by Commissioner Orbus, seconded by Commissioner Lopez.

6916
09:50:38,640 --> 09:50:40,400
All in favor, signify by saying aye.

6917
09:50:40,460 --> 09:50:41,400
Aye, thank you.

6918
09:50:41,400 --> 09:50:42,420
All opposed, nay.

6919
09:50:42,480 --> 09:50:43,540
Show the motion carries.

6920
09:50:44,140 --> 09:50:46,060
Commissioner Regalada, you have any motions or appointments.

6921
09:50:46,360 --> 09:50:51,480
Just for the sunshine meeting, grant theft auto is now going to be the next one's going

6922
09:50:51,480 --> 09:50:52,160
to be in Miami.

6923
09:50:52,300 --> 09:50:54,180
So just throw that on your list of things.

6924
09:50:54,180 --> 09:50:55,180
A real live movie.

6925
09:50:55,360 --> 09:50:56,840
We see you every day here in the county.

6926
09:50:56,840 --> 09:51:05,160
No, but really the next grant theft auto they're picking like sites in Miami-D County. So Renee grant theft auto pay attention

6927
09:51:05,160 --> 09:51:08,060
Hey, what's this whole thing that people are doing like Netflix documentaries?

6928
09:51:08,820 --> 09:51:10,040
What's this whole movement?

6929
09:51:10,640 --> 09:51:12,440
Yeah, that's so cute

6930
09:51:13,580 --> 09:51:17,160
What's yours about shut like what was the whole the yard signs?

6931
09:51:18,040 --> 09:51:21,240
It's like a political problem, you know, I was not being a little busy.

6932
09:51:21,320 --> 09:51:25,360
We're just waiting to see my documentary when they're still in my signs.

6933
09:51:25,860 --> 09:51:26,240
Oh, yeah.

6934
09:51:26,800 --> 09:51:27,620
All right.

6935
09:51:27,740 --> 09:51:29,660
Commissioner Gonzalez, any motions or appointments?

6936
09:51:30,200 --> 09:51:31,240
Commissioner Cohen Higgins?

6937
09:51:32,280 --> 09:51:32,700
Steinberg?

6938
09:51:32,940 --> 09:51:35,140
No, I will say the Commissioner Bermuda's.

6939
09:51:35,280 --> 09:51:37,400
I know that one year ago tomorrow.

6940
09:51:39,060 --> 09:51:43,160
So we're so happier with us, and we do like you.

6941
09:51:43,260 --> 09:51:43,840
Believe it or not.

6942
09:51:47,260 --> 09:51:48,820
What's the one year anniversary tomorrow?

6943
09:51:49,620 --> 09:51:53,360
It was one year ago tomorrow that he had his health issue.

6944
09:51:53,600 --> 09:52:00,240
You know what it's it's funny you bring that up and we're all blessed that you're here with us, of course, but, you know, you really came back a change man, and I love it.

6945
09:52:00,700 --> 09:52:06,980
I love it. You are the funniest member of this day is. And I mean that. I mean, you just give you give zero.

6946
09:52:08,200 --> 09:52:16,680
Cares. You give zero cares and you just say what's on your mind and I love it. I couldn't eat it up more. I'm digging it. Commissioner Gilbert, motions or appointments.

6947
09:52:18,280 --> 09:52:22,000
I have a motion in the appointment they can go ahead and read them for me.

6948
09:52:22,540 --> 09:52:26,440
With respect to the following developers that have been conveyed, certain properties through

6949
09:52:26,440 --> 09:52:30,220
the Miami-Dade County Infill Housing Initiative Program Commissioner Gilbert moves consistent

6950
09:52:30,220 --> 09:52:35,240
with ordinance 21-80 to increase the maximum sales price from the 205,000 to the current

6951
09:52:35,240 --> 09:52:39,240
maximum sales price authorized pursuant to ordinance 21-80 for homes that are constructed and

6952
09:52:39,240 --> 09:52:40,400
sold to qualified households.

6953
09:52:40,720 --> 09:52:46,660
Through an end in accordance with the Infill Housing Program for the lots listed in the

6954
09:52:47,440 --> 09:52:53,660
and reflects the four folios for 34 ways, foundation, and 11 folios for Palmetto homes.

6955
09:52:53,960 --> 09:52:57,600
Commissioner Gilbert moves to one authorize the chairperson or vice chairperson of this board

6956
09:52:57,600 --> 09:53:03,380
pursuant to section 125.4114 statutes to execute amended and recated deeds amended deeds

6957
09:53:03,380 --> 09:53:08,180
to the developers identified herein for the properties identified herein. Following approval by the

6958
09:53:08,180 --> 09:53:12,040
County Attorney's Office in order to effectuate the sales price increase, two authorize the

6959
09:53:12,040 --> 09:53:15,400
County Mayor of County Mayor says you need to take all access necessary to exercise any and

6960
09:53:15,400 --> 09:53:19,240
rights set forth in the amended deeds, including but not limited to exercising the county's

6961
09:53:19,240 --> 09:53:23,180
option to enforce its reversionary interest after conducting all due diligence. Title search

6962
09:53:23,180 --> 09:53:26,780
is an environmental review, and three, direct the county mayor, county mayor says you need to

6963
09:53:26,780 --> 09:53:30,380
provide copies of the recorded and amended deeds, the property appraiser, recorded and amended

6964
09:53:30,380 --> 09:53:33,680
deeds in the public records and provide copies of the amended deeds to the clerk of the board.

6965
09:53:34,860 --> 09:53:40,760
All right, we have a motion by Commissioner Gilbert a second by Commissioner Ramirez on favor

6966
09:53:40,760 --> 09:53:48,500
signify by say n i all opposed name we got an appointment yes I like to point John Williams to the commission on disability issues

6967
09:53:48,500 --> 09:53:54,020
all right we got a motion by commissioner gober for an appointment Mr. Williams to the disability

6968
09:53:54,020 --> 09:54:03,620
commission on a second advice senator Garcia on favor signify by say n i all opposed name and any motion

6969
09:54:03,620 --> 09:54:09,380
Senator hold on just one statement and I'm kind of like budding my

6970
09:54:10,380 --> 09:54:13,440
Not business into something that's not my business but sort of our business

6971
09:54:14,240 --> 09:54:19,100
We have an orangutan lake CRA meeting that starts in five minutes. None of us are gonna make it in five minutes

6972
09:54:19,100 --> 09:54:26,660
I think it's unfair to have residents waiting over 40 minutes 50 minutes for us to get down south if the two co-chairs or it's more

6973
09:54:26,660 --> 09:54:31,100
It's probably close to an hour. I don't know if that meeting can be canceled by this body. It's a whole different body

6974
09:54:31,100 --> 09:54:37,580
That's scheduled that meeting, it's not us and that was made clear in the last meeting to the attorneys and of course the co-chairs

6975
09:54:38,400 --> 09:54:45,020
Vice-chair McGee and Commissioner Conehiggins, is that something that we can cancel from this day is or

6976
09:54:45,800 --> 09:54:52,380
Reschedule reschedule. I'm using the wrong certain I'm surprised in regards to the incorrect my terminology. It was just one rescheduley

6977
09:54:53,640 --> 09:54:58,940
But I don't think we can do it as a spotty, but the co-chairs are present. I don't know

6978
09:54:58,940 --> 09:54:59,980
And by the way, I'm buddy

6979
09:55:00,000 --> 09:55:10,120
I'm voting into something that's not my, but we're just not going to make it in the, you know, yeah, we're not going to start a meeting at 7 7 30 p.m.

6980
09:55:10,240 --> 09:55:16,000
We don't have quorum, we don't have quorum. So to the attorneys, you want to respond at least to my concerns.

6981
09:55:17,420 --> 09:55:27,460
Mr. Chair, if you, if you know you won't have a quorum at the meeting and the quorum requirement for that, I believe it's five members, then the meeting can be canceled.

6982
09:55:27,460 --> 09:55:32,960
Okay, well, again, I don't think anybody's going to make it, but it's an hour and a half

6983
09:55:32,960 --> 09:55:37,200
you just check map quest or whatever the new map system is these days.

6984
09:55:37,920 --> 09:55:38,940
It's called Google.

6985
09:55:39,260 --> 09:55:40,020
You should have lunch.

6986
09:55:40,300 --> 09:55:40,840
Google, yeah.

6987
09:55:41,520 --> 09:55:41,680
Wait,

6988
09:55:43,780 --> 09:55:44,960
vice chair, do you want all pints?

6989
09:55:45,220 --> 09:55:45,940
Is it your video?

6990
09:55:46,900 --> 09:55:54,960
Look, I don't want any convenience any one here, but at the same time, I do know there are,

6991
09:55:57,440 --> 09:55:57,440
at

6992
09:55:57,440 --> 09:56:01,620
the are there. I guess my question is to the county attorney to the administration.

6993
09:56:01,880 --> 09:56:09,040
I do we have to suspend this meeting and then bring forth the CRA meeting right now in

6994
09:56:09,040 --> 09:56:10,240
order to reschedule.

6995
09:56:12,420 --> 09:56:16,960
All right, is that when is the next CRA meeting schedule for?

6996
09:56:18,340 --> 09:56:23,460
Yes, it's up to the co-chairs of the CRA to reschedule meeting. But when is the next scheduled

6997
09:56:23,460 --> 09:56:27,180
meeting? We're not aware of that because I charge so they'll figure it out in the

6998
09:56:27,180 --> 09:56:34,220
All right, so show us now. I mean, we're not, we're not. Okay, sounds good. With that commissioner Lopez any motions or appointments, a center of our city record.

6999
09:56:34,500 --> 09:56:37,180
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a couple of appointments and one motion.

7000
09:56:39,700 --> 09:56:42,180
Monocules Shantel Brown for the Black Affairs Advisory Board.

7001
09:56:43,580 --> 09:56:46,720
I've put other word to say it out to the International Trade Consortium Board.

7002
09:56:47,360 --> 09:56:50,640
Bruce Orles to the Film and Entertainment Board.

7003
09:56:50,640 --> 09:57:01,160
Christine Lumiere to the building better community citizens advisory board and I do have a motion that I would like to read for the children's trust

7004
09:57:01,880 --> 09:57:02,400
Peace

7005
09:57:02,400 --> 09:57:06,680
That our Garcia moves to authorize the County Mayor County Mayor says he need to negotiate an executed

7006
09:57:06,680 --> 09:57:11,080
Interlocal agreement with the children's trust the trust following approval by the County Attorney's Office for legal

7007
09:57:11,080 --> 09:57:16,760
Sufficiency to provide real estate services to the trust and connection with the trust potential acquisition of real property and further

7008
09:57:16,760 --> 09:57:20,940
of its mission. Such services shall include but not be limited to, performing all services necessary

7009
09:57:20,940 --> 09:57:24,640
to evaluate the property obtaining appraisals and disclosures, and negotiating a purchase

7010
09:57:24,640 --> 09:57:28,540
agreement and shall be provided at the same or similarly negotiated rate or fees scheduled

7011
09:57:28,540 --> 09:57:32,020
charge to county administrative departments and or the public health trust.

7012
09:57:33,280 --> 09:57:37,240
All right. It's been moved. It's been seconded by Commissioner Regalado.

7013
09:57:38,580 --> 09:57:43,040
Sure. All in favor, signify by saying aye. All opposed?

7014
09:57:45,480 --> 09:57:47,680
Next is that was that everything?

7015
09:57:48,040 --> 09:57:49,220
Is that right?

7016
09:57:49,820 --> 09:57:52,440
Do we agree on reschedule of the CRA?

7017
09:57:53,060 --> 09:57:54,580
They're going to figure it out.

7018
09:57:54,740 --> 09:57:56,220
They're going to reschedule.

7019
09:57:57,540 --> 09:57:58,660
All right.

7020
09:57:59,760 --> 09:58:01,380
Show us the judge.

7021
09:58:02,160 --> 09:58:03,100
Show us the judge.