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[46:56] Okay, good. Well, this is the presentation portion of the agenda. I am Commissioner Oliver Gilbert, our chairman, Anthony, our regas is approaching our mayor, then yellow living cover is on her way down. We have presentations today. Now, what we do in these presentations is we recognize extraordinary people, extraordinary organizations at times who have done things that go above and beyond. Today, we have some presentations. But first, I give the microphone to the chairman, you are given around the applause. Anthony Wright,
[47:26] me guys. Oh, I mean, yeah, thank you guys, all right. I don't know what you
[47:34] have to be this. This isn't what I need right now. All right. Um, matter
[47:41] mayor, powerful red, all right. Good morning. Good morning. All right. So we
[47:47] got all the puppies. All right. I love it. I should have brought my daughter to
[47:52] work with me today. I knew that you all were going to bring the dogs. I
[47:55] I didn't know that, and I thought it would bring her.
[47:59] We're not going to start with you guys.
[48:01] We're going to wait a second to get a few, we're going to start with some other very important
[48:05] folks that are here today.
[48:08] We have this morning, some very distinguished guests and members of the Constitution Court of
[48:18] Canada.
[48:19] Right? We have the Council General of Canada, the Honorable Sylvia Césarado, Césarado,
[48:28] more or less, and I'll let you correct me in a second. And Ms. Shannon Eisenhardt,
[48:35] I think I said that, okay. The U.S. State Department Regional Director for the Office
[48:42] of Foreign Missions. So, it is my privilege to recognize two outstanding leaders who's
[48:48] education to diplomacy and international collaboration has strengthened our global partnerships.
[48:54] And today we are honored to present certificates of appreciation to the Honorable Sylvia
[48:58] Sassarado and the Council General of Canada and the Shannon Eisenhutt, the regional director
[49:04] of the U.S. Department of State, State Office of Foreign Missions.
[49:09] And because I keep messing up the name probably, I am going to let my colleague, Commissioner
[49:13] out of a gober who it's the sponsor of this special presentation, continue to mess up the name
[49:19] for me.
[49:22] And then of course I imagine the mayor is going to have some words to say as well and we'll
[49:26] let Gerard, if you have something to say as well.
[49:29] Commissioner.
[49:30] Thank you, Mr Chairman.
[49:30] I'll be very brief.
[49:32] One of the things that's really special about our interaction with the rest of the world is the
[49:37] Council of Corn here in Miami-Day County, it's a very large Council of Corn.
[49:41] And it's kind of symbolic of the idea that we are an international city.
[49:47] We're an international city in every way through the center of people who live here
[49:50] born in different countries.
[49:51] International, in a sense, that we are the gateway to the Americas and to South
[49:55] and Central American Caribbean.
[49:57] We're the first people they see when they come to the country with a...
[50:00] The last people they see before they leave, if they're in this part of the hemisphere.
[50:03] And so we have great working relationships that actually foster not just cultural connections, but business connections.
[50:09] And that happens through our wonderful partners in Canada, and also through the State Department, who's doing an excellent job at keeping us connected to other folks.
[50:17] And so it's our honor, our privilege to actually honor you all today.
[50:20] And to recognize you and recognize your public service, because people will never actually see you all.
[50:25] They'll see like the Prime Minister in the Secretary, and they'll see the President, and it's
[50:30] nothing all these other ambassadors, they don't see the people that come every day and sit
[50:35] down with business leaves and show them how to make connections and help people through their
[50:39] immigration problems.
[50:40] They don't see those people.
[50:41] You're the people who do that work.
[50:44] And so on behalf of all those people who you service, all those businesses you enable, I say thank
[50:48] you.
[50:48] My name is Dave County.
[50:49] Thank you.
[50:50] Madam Mayor?
[50:50] Any other questions?
[50:53] Any other questions?
[50:53] Any other questions?
[50:53] What do you want to speak on?
[50:56] General, you are a friend.
[50:58] Thank you so much for your friendship, for your support, but as Commissioner Gilbert said,
[51:02] we have been working—I personally have been working with the console General of Canada,
[51:06] your predecessor, yourself.
[51:08] It is amazing.
[51:10] The kind of work that you're doing here.
[51:12] So many Canadians living and working here.
[51:15] So I'm just grateful that I can serve now in this role as a Commissioner to help foster
[51:20] all of the great relationships that you have worked so hard to do so. So thank you.
[51:26] I got to say Ditto. We've known each other prior
[51:28] console and I think I was one of the first people that was visited by you and so thank you so
[51:33] much for the great job. You've done and continued to do both of you and obviously Ditto
[51:38] to my colleague to the left side.
[51:45] Well I must say that for me this is a personal loss
[51:50] And I have seen too many consular corps members leave us.
[51:57] So we don't only have one of the largest consular corps,
[52:00] we have the best in the country.
[52:02] And we're very proud of that fact.
[52:04] And it speaks to our global ties.
[52:08] I will also say that I lived in Canada,
[52:11] I went, I lived in Vancouver as a child.
[52:14] And so I feel very attached to that nation
[52:18] And I've vacationed in Canada in the wilds of Canada and we will not be charging any tariffs to Canada here in Miami-Dade County just to make that very clear. Am I right? Oh, a policy decision. Okay. I'm going to say it's a business decision. No, no tariffs for Miami-Dade County. So we value your our friendship. We value your leadership. You've been not just here on behalf of Canada. You've been here really on behalf of the globe and our country. You've stood up on important issues.
[52:46] so many are environment, immigration issues, you've been at the forefront, so we're very proud and sad to lose you.
[52:55] And to our state department, you have not just handled all the logistics for people who need help, but navigating.
[53:04] You facilitated these men and women from our UCR team to go to Venezuela.
[53:09] And you, I know you're personally very proud of that fact, you joined us there and in greeting
[53:17] them and we're very, very grateful for your incredible dedication and service, the best
[53:23] possible role that State Department could serve as to provide assistance to our neighbors
[53:29] in need.
[53:31] So we're very grateful and this is well, deserving of the price.
[53:34] Thank you.
[53:35] All right, Mayor.
[53:36] Thank you very much.
[53:37] Now, Commissioner Bustin.
[53:39] Thank you Mr. Chair, good morning, everyone.
[53:42] She just went to join my voice to do so my colleagues
[53:45] on our mayor to thank you for all your service.
[53:49] Oftentimes this job is being recognized.
[53:52] Yet, you have such an impact on people's lives.
[53:56] So I want to thank you for that.
[53:57] And thank you also for reaching out to my office
[53:59] and coming to meet with me often to get feedback
[54:03] on the immigrant situation, not only for Haiti,
[54:06] for others. So thank you so much.
[54:08] Appreciate you.
[54:12] I already want to say.
[54:13] I mean, commissioner.
[54:13] It's time we just want to say.
[54:14] Thank you.
[54:15] Thank you.
[54:18] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[54:19] I just want to say that we definitely
[54:21] be going to miss our constitution.
[54:23] I'll see.
[54:23] I think she has an amazing job.
[54:26] You know, keeping a flow in a keeping
[54:28] my immediate country connected to Canada.
[54:31] And to miss.
[54:31] I don't know.
[54:32] We always call on the point for everything
[54:35] when we have foreign delegation on everything.
[54:38] She's smiling right now.
[54:39] I can tell you that she knows, so we are going to miss both of them tremendously, so, but thank you very much.
[55:00] We'd like you to say a few words as well, both of you. So if you want to take the leave.
[55:05] This is unscripted. Firstly, thank you all so very much for the sponsors and all of you for your kind words.
[55:14] It's been a true privilege for me to be in Florida and hear Miami representing Canada these last four years.
[55:22] And firstly, let me thank you for those wearing red. It looks wonderful on you.
[55:26] our Canadian colors. I have had five international postings and so my career is quickly coming
[55:34] to an end sadly, but I will take away very fond memories of my time here in Miami because
[55:40] everyone has been so gracious in receiving us and everyone has a good story to tell about their
[55:48] relationship with Canada. Despite what's happening at the federal level and in the media at the end
[55:56] If the day we remain neighbors, Canada is in moving, we're not going anywhere, friends and allies
[56:04] and the strongest of friends and allies.
[56:06] We share the biggest trading relationship between any two countries in the world.
[56:11] We share the longest border between any two countries in the world that is jointly managed.
[56:17] We are completely integrated, economically, but more than that we share the same values for
[56:23] peace and prosperity and security and it's been a real honor and I have to tell you
[56:30] everywhere I've been. There is an evening or an event where somebody doesn't tell me
[56:35] they've been to Canada or they have Canadian roots or good Canadian friends or even
[56:43] Canadians in their family and the reverse is true. There are Americans that live in Canada too.
[56:49] All I can say is thank you for the warm welcome for the friendship, the partnership,
[56:53] I'm going back home to Ottawa, and I hope to be able to see you there one day, Mayor.
[56:59] Congressman, potentially, all of you, Vicki, we didn't get you up in your role, but maybe from your new purchase.
[57:06] And I also want to just recognize it all for all his support and his team.
[57:10] It's been a true honor to work with you.
[57:13] So thank you.
[57:13] Merci.
[57:17] Good morning, everyone.
[57:20] First of all, it's my absolute pleasure to be here as a Florida native.
[57:23] And to be assigned here in Miami, back home, which is really nice as Sylvia said after many many years, 20 plus just in government, but actually more 35 years of being international and representing our nation, it's so wonderful to finally be back home and be here for the last four years.
[57:41] And to work with all of our local state and federal counterparts has been incredible what an unprecedented, especially this year, as we know just concluding the World Cup and working with all of our partners.
[57:51] and leading up to the G20, which is going to be just a perfect way to cap off a very, very exciting crazy year.
[57:59] Also, I wanted to say thank you to all my law enforcement partners.
[58:02] As a diplomatic security special agent, it's not only did I serve as a U.S. diplomat, but also federal law enforcement overseas,
[58:09] and some very, very precarious places, and so I want to say thank you to all of your service.
[58:14] really, I know what it means to have that dedication and to get out there and work in some really, really
[58:21] austere environments.
[58:22] They just want to say thank you.
[58:24] It's been my honor, not only do I get to meet and work with some incredible people in the
[58:29] concert court, which is the largest concert court, outside of New York and D.C., my office, we cover
[58:35] West Virginia and Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, we have 400 foreign missions.
[58:39] the international community that space here is incredible and it's growing and so I'm
[58:45] glad that I could be here to support not only all of our partners but the local
[58:49] community as I say we need to connect, create and contribute and definitely get back
[58:53] to communities. So thank you so much. It is my honor. I'm also retiring. I want to
[58:58] say home and Florida for a little while. So thank you very much. Really a pleasure.
[59:02] Thank you. Thank you guys. Yeah you see they're excited too. So now we have a special presentation
[59:10] and certificate to present all of our gober. Do you want to help me out with one of these?
[59:15] You want to hold on and see the other one. All right. So as commissioner and on behalf of the
[59:23] mayor to my left and the board of county commissioners and the residents of Miami,
[59:28] day counting nearly what? 2.8 million plus or minus? I say great pleasure in presenting
[59:33] this certificate of appreciation to you in recognition of your valuable contributions
[59:37] to our community and wish you the best, as you mark the end of your tenure with the Miami
[59:42] date considercors, Shannon Eisenhower. Congratulations. You want to present to me? I'm
[59:51] this certificate of appreciation is presented to the Honorable Sylvia. It says the Rato,
[59:55] the General Council General for Canada.
[1:00:00] In Miami, congratulations and thank you for your service.
[1:01:52] Alright, let's take the chatter to the side.
[1:01:58] May you?
[1:02:03] All right, guys, we have our second presentation that day.
[1:02:08] I think we're last, right?
[1:02:09] All right, we have two today.
[1:02:13] So now for our second presentation, we have our...
[1:02:19] Why are you so bossy?
[1:02:24] I was going to say something.
[1:02:25] Yeah, I was going to say something regarding the disease.
[1:02:28] This is the Congress live for, like, he's already, you know, this is actually always
[1:02:34] him.
[1:02:35] All right.
[1:02:36] So today we probably recognize, can we, quite down, please, to hear we probably recognize
[1:02:43] the extraordinary courage, professionalism, selfless service of Miami-Dade, fire rescues
[1:02:49] urban search and rescue team, Florida Task Force 1.
[1:02:52] Thank you for being here.
[1:03:01] I want to first thank all of my colleagues for being here this morning for this special
[1:03:04] presentation, but specifically those that co-sponsored it with me, commissioner Bermuda, Gonzales,
[1:03:10] Lopez, and Steinberg so far, there's more coming, but for joining me as co-sponsors of
[1:03:17] the special presentation honoring the brave members of Florida's Task Force One. Following the
[1:03:24] devastating earthquakes that struck Venezuela in June, Florida Task Force One answered the
[1:03:29] of serve. At the request of the US Department of State, the team deployed an 80 member task force,
[1:03:34] there's not 80 here today though, but there's a lot. Including six K9 search teams and specialists
[1:03:41] in search and rescue, medical hazardous materials, logistics, and structural engineering. Are these
[1:03:46] some of the day all go? Nice. All six of them. Over. There was eight days that you guys were there.
[1:03:56] So, over eight days, they worked alongside rescue teams from across the United States and more than 50 countries, conducting life-saving search and rescue operations and bringing hope to communities affected by this tragedy.
[1:04:08] And their dedication and compassion earned international recognition, including the heroes of Venezuela and metal, awarded on behalf of the Venezuelan people in gratitude for their exemplary service.
[1:04:19] And today we probably honor Chief Brandon Webb, you could come on up with us and every member of Florida Task Force 1 for representing Miami-Dade County with courage, excellence and an unwavering commitment to saving lives.
[1:04:36] I want to call you guys all up in a second, so don't worry, we'll send next to me, my man.
[1:04:40] At this time, I would like to turn our attention to the video being played above me for a short clip on this mission.
[1:04:51] Thank you.
[1:07:14] So I imagine the stories, and I hope you share some of that with us when you speak here in just a few minutes, chief web,
[1:07:22] but I imagine being over there was probably the most emotional portion of this, but this, the last clip kind of getting you guys back home, I think to me is what really gets us. So glad to have you guys back home. I want my colleagues to say a few words, and then we'll do the official presentation and have your colleagues come up as well. Commissioner Lopez, you want to read.
[1:07:41] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[1:07:44] So some of you know that I was the budget chair in the Florida House when it came time to
[1:07:50] fund you and it was touching go to the very last minute and I never gave up because I know
[1:07:55] the importance of your work.
[1:07:57] And so in the final moments of that budget conference, we were able to get you $4.8 million
[1:08:03] to do what you do best and it was the greatest honor and privilege to be able to have my
[1:08:08] hand and fingerprints on that.
[1:08:10] So just want to tell you, it's for that very reason that we all support you and I am moved
[1:08:17] by seeing you in action because oftentimes, you know, we're funding things, we don't know
[1:08:22] what we're funding and what you do.
[1:08:24] You proved to everyone your worth every penny and so much more.
[1:08:28] Thank you so much for your service.
[1:08:36] Oftentimes we don't think about the value, the importance and the sacrifices that you have
[1:08:45] to make, to do this work.
[1:08:48] And then watching the clips and then watching you
[1:08:51] getting ready to report and knowing
[1:08:53] that your father's mothers, you living everything behind
[1:08:58] to help those you need.
[1:09:00] So we cannot thank you enough
[1:09:02] because you are ambassadors when you out there
[1:09:04] doing God's work, you are ambassadors.
[1:09:07] So it's just enough for us to say thank you.
[1:09:12] Thank you for your sacrifices.
[1:09:14] Thank you.
[1:09:15] Thank you.
[1:09:22] Thank you.
[1:09:23] My colleague said, thank you so much.
[1:09:25] You and your families for the sacrifices and also our friends here.
[1:09:31] Thank you very much.
[1:09:32] You were the best representation of Miami-Dade County.
[1:09:34] Miami-Dade County has always been there.
[1:09:36] How many of you have been around the world?
[1:09:37] It's not just been as well.
[1:09:39] I happen to represent a district that has the most number of them.
[1:09:42] It's probably Miami-Dade County.
[1:09:44] And we are very thankful.
[1:09:45] And I know a lot of the residents are very thankful.
[1:09:49] We're having an immediate present, but you are the best ambassadors of us many times.
[1:09:54] The elected officials get the picture and that.
[1:09:56] But there's many people to make this county what it is.
[1:09:59] You're a problem.
[1:10:00] We, the best representation of what this county is. As my colleague said, you are not only ambassadors, but you are the representation of the love and the care this county has for the rest of the world whenever there's a crisis.
[1:10:14] And in this case, it happened with one of our sister countries in this hemisphere, which made it even a critical time more important than all.
[1:10:22] So had a no means time away from your families, and that's why we have to thank your families.
[1:10:27] And your loved ones, because it's not easy to be away for a period of time, and you probably
[1:10:33] saw a lot of things that many of us will never get to see.
[1:10:36] But I am sure that the people of Venezuela and the people of this hemisphere and all around
[1:10:41] the world, because you've been all around the world Turkey.
[1:10:43] We can talk about the places you've been, have seen the best representation of Miami-Dade
[1:10:48] County.
[1:10:49] So, thanks again.
[1:10:50] God bless.
[1:10:57] So, first and foremost, thank you.
[1:11:00] I know not too long ago we were here also honoring you and your courageous acts, helping
[1:11:05] when the call of duty you run to it.
[1:11:09] Unfortunately, we have these horrible disasters.
[1:11:13] I hope not to be recognizing you next year, because every time we do, we know it's because
[1:11:18] you put yourselves out there in the most harrowing of circumstances, and we thank you so
[1:11:24] much, there's not many words that we could say because what you experience is something that
[1:11:29] some of us, you know, it's like I said, the last time, things of nightmares sometimes.
[1:11:34] And so I just want to make sure that if you all ever need anything, you let us know as
[1:11:38] well because we want to be here for you just like you are there for everybody else.
[1:11:41] Thank you.
[1:11:44] Thank you.
[1:11:47] I'll reiterate what my colleague said, listen, you all are, you're what American
[1:11:54] exceptionalism actually looks like when folks really need us. When folks really need us,
[1:12:00] you're in Amber Hope, a flicker of light to someone who's trapped under something. To someone
[1:12:07] who's just needs something to hang on to someone to pull them out back into a world that might
[1:12:14] not be perfect, but it's a world of living. What you do is exceptional, you leave your homes and
[1:12:20] your family, you put yourselves at risk, you go into situations that we could never imagine.
[1:12:28] And you do it in the name of the county, all of the great residents, but you do it in
[1:12:31] the name of this country.
[1:12:34] So to those folks that you save and you help, you are America and you represent us well.
[1:12:38] Thank you all very much.
[1:12:43] Thank you.
[1:12:44] Thank you, Mr. Chair for sponsoring this very important presentation.
[1:12:47] There is really no way to thank you all, what you do is selfless.
[1:12:51] you deploy every single day to serve our community and as they say when folks are running away from an emergency and from danger you all are running towards it.
[1:13:01] So there's no way to thank you for what you do.
[1:13:04] And to thank your families for the sacrifices that they do every single day to allow you to serve our county and save our residents and keep us safe.
[1:13:11] So thank you for for serving in this way. Thank you for going over to Venezuela during this tragedy and thank you for serving our community in Miami.
[1:13:18] county so I'm happy thank you so much.
[1:13:25] I want to thank the chair for putting this together.
[1:13:28] Guys, we're recognizing you today,
[1:13:33] but I know that you don't do it for the recognition
[1:13:37] because you're built different. You represent the best part of humanity.
[1:13:44] After Jesus is ascended into heaven, the disciples are left here, right? And then you have Peter and
[1:13:50] on, that they're walking towards Pentecost, and they're walking, and they see A.V., disabled
[1:13:58] beggar, and the guys literally sitting in front of the temple, asking for money, and then
[1:14:05] Peter looks at him, and he says, money I don't have to give you, but I will give you
[1:14:12] everything I have in the name of my Lord Jesus Christ.
[1:14:17] and he tells them to get up and walk and the guy jumps up and he sprints into the temple
[1:14:24] and he talks about the great things that Peter through Jesus did for him.
[1:14:31] Why do I bring up a story of Peter?
[1:14:35] Because you guys give everything you have every single day.
[1:14:39] And it's not even you.
[1:14:41] It's a talent that God gave you.
[1:14:43] It's a vibe.
[1:14:46] It's a heart.
[1:14:48] You're willing to lay it down every single day, and it doesn't matter whether it's for folks in Venezuela, residents in Miami-Dade County, New York, Chicago, you do it for humankind.
[1:15:00] That's how you're built. And that's the example you're always setting. And for that we will always thank you. And this is one of many awards that you're probably going to get in your careers and in your life.
[1:15:10] But you have to sometimes sit back and accept those accolades because we appreciate you and love you so much. Thank you. Mr. Chair.
[1:15:21] Hold it just a second, we're going to hear, we're going to hear from our mayor, then Chief
[1:15:26] Chadala, Chief Web, do the presentation and call everybody up as well.
[1:15:30] Madam Mayor.
[1:15:31] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[1:15:32] And thank you so much for making the time for this very important tribute.
[1:15:37] I was eight months into my first term as mayor when I saw you in action at Surfside.
[1:15:45] I will never ever forget that is when I realized this is not a job, this is a calling.
[1:15:56] Being a firefighter, of course, are very respected so many want to join the ranks on top of that to be our Florida Task Force 1
[1:16:05] and to stand up and help without cease when disaster strikes, that's who you are.
[1:16:12] It's in your bones, it's in your blood.
[1:16:16] And as I said then, and I saw it in Venezuela and the clips,
[1:16:20] we have to tear you off the piles
[1:16:22] because you're so motivated to do everything in your power,
[1:16:28] to help with the rescue, with recovery,
[1:16:31] with providing hope to those who were in a moment
[1:16:34] of a total despair.
[1:16:36] I know this job was not easy, but you wanted it, you saw it.
[1:16:42] We work together with our State Department to make sure you could be among the very first
[1:16:47] to go on behalf of our nation, to help our neighbors.
[1:16:50] You do this work not just for those of us here at home, but around the world, as has been said.
[1:16:56] This tragedy is beyond any imaginable.
[1:17:02] We're up to over 5,000 identified as lost and still so many missing.
[1:17:09] And what did they say?
[1:17:11] 10,000 surf sites was a quote that I saw.
[1:17:15] So we know that it affects you as well.
[1:17:18] And we are here for you.
[1:17:23] I am proud that you have a great chief,
[1:17:27] who is not a part of Usar.
[1:17:31] He was, he is, okay.
[1:17:33] But he, sorry about that.
[1:17:36] Okay, but you know, he's not jumping out of the plains anymore.
[1:17:40] But he is leading with that same passion, that same integrity, that same dedication to never
[1:17:48] give up while we need to fight the fight.
[1:17:52] And also for those of you who served fighting the fires in Everglades, which I know was a
[1:17:57] good number of you, that was another disaster that you tackled with the same verse and success.
[1:18:04] So God bless you all, thank you, thank you, thank you, on behalf of all of us, and we're
[1:18:09] going to give it to our chief, Chadala.
[1:18:13] You are Task Force 1, Florida.
[1:18:24] Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
[1:18:25] The great crowd here.
[1:18:27] First and foremost, Madam Mayor, Mr. Chairman,
[1:18:29] members of the Great Commission.
[1:18:31] Thank you for the recognition of Miami-Dade Fire Rescue
[1:18:33] Reserve in Search and Rescue Team.
[1:18:35] And Commissioner, you said it best.
[1:18:37] We don't do this job for the recognition for the accolades,
[1:18:41] but for today, the 80 members.
[1:18:43] And I know that it's just a fraction here today,
[1:18:45] but the 80 members of Florida Task Force 1 and the 6k9s that did respond.
[1:18:50] Another round of applause because day in, day out for 24 hours for 8k,
[1:18:56] they did respond, certain rescue operations.
[1:19:01] Yes, Madam Mayor, I didn't get deployed on this one.
[1:19:03] There was this little thing called FIFA going on that I had to stick around to make sure,
[1:19:08] yeah, just a little thing.
[1:19:09] But what I do want to mention is for 41 years my mid-day fire rescue has been
[1:19:16] entering the call for urban search and rescue 41 years that we have been
[1:19:20] responding to local state nationally and international disasters man-made and
[1:19:27] of course you know the natural disasters this one is a special one for us we we
[1:19:34] question to go to Venezuela because we have so many Venezuelan members of this community.
[1:19:42] We asked to get deployed. They gave us the green light and while the members of Florida Task Force
[1:19:49] one were out there conducting search and rescue operations, conducting structural engineering
[1:19:54] of the buildings that had collapsed, rendering medical care to those that were in
[1:20:00] adjourned. Here, while they were abroad, here locally, we were assisting with the warehouses, with the logistics
[1:20:07] and getting the goods that were necessary to get to Venezuela. So with that, I want to say a job
[1:20:14] will done. Keep your heads up high and to the members of our great commission, Madam Mayor, thank you for
[1:20:20] championing public safety, but specifically, Miami-Dade Fire Rescue. Thank you.
[1:20:32] All right, thank you, Chief, for that. I'm going to go ahead and present the official
[1:20:36] This is the Proclamation of Chief Web, on behalf of all of you guys, all of us, to you guys, and then
[1:20:42] Chief Web, we're going to want to hear from you a couple of words.
[1:20:44] I know you have a lot to say, but I'm not saying with you.
[1:20:49] Be it resolved that on behalf of the mayor, Daniel Levingkava, myself as Chairman of the Board,
[1:20:54] Anthony Rodriguez, and the members of the Board of County Commissioners, and on behalf of
[1:20:58] Miami Day County, and it's plus or minus 2.8 million residents.
[1:21:01] We do here by proclaim, today it's usually July 21st, 2026, as Miami-Dade Fire Rescue's urban search and rescue team, Florida Task Force one day. Congratulations, Chief.
[1:21:23] Good morning.
[1:21:25] So, humbly, I would describe you this group as humble servants and myself among them.
[1:21:34] very humble and very proud to represent all of all of the folks that are here today.
[1:21:41] And we recognize that a lot of people would go out and do what we do and many would not.
[1:21:48] But it is a matter of pride and privilege that we get to go out and represent all of you.
[1:21:54] And the citizens of the United States in trying to alleviate human suffering wherever we can.
[1:22:03] Many times we're asked, why do we go to other cities around the US, why do we go outside of the country to assist other people when our job is here?
[1:22:14] And the reason for that is that we develop the knowledge skills and abilities and the comfort level at other people's disasters that we bring back to Miami-Day County and I would challenge
[1:22:27] That if we were to have a disaster here that this group of people have seen and done things outside of the community,
[1:22:35] we can manage just about anything here, comfortably on behalf of the citizens of my meeting county.
[1:22:41] So with that, I want to thank Chief Jadala, Chief Palmer, Madam Mayor, the chair, all of the elected officials
[1:22:48] for continuing to allow us to do what we do because we're proud to represent and we're proud to
[1:22:54] to go out and do it.
[1:22:55] So thank you very much.
[1:23:00] All right.
[1:23:02] Let's do one photo with the folks up here and then I would like to get, I know it's a
[1:23:07] couple of people.
[1:23:07] We're going to try to get all of you guys in the photo as well.
[1:23:10] Let's do one first with these folks.
[1:23:12] Where's a goffery?
[1:23:13] All right.
[1:23:14] There you go.
[1:23:15] All right.
[1:23:16] Goffery from now on.
[1:23:16] You're in charge.
[1:23:17] So you let us know where to stand.
[1:23:18] Okay,
[1:23:26] shuffle this one.
[1:23:28] Yes, perfect.
[1:23:48] All right, beat five, beat five.
[1:23:53] Let's go right here.
[1:23:54] Beat five, go ahead and tune.
[1:23:57] All right.
[1:23:57] All right.
[1:23:58] All right.
[1:24:01] That's for some one.
[1:24:02] You guys want to come up here and pull it up.
[1:24:04] All right.
[1:24:04] All right.
[1:24:05] Here we go.
[1:24:06] Here we go.
[1:24:12] You got to get started.
[1:24:14] You got to get started.
[1:24:15] You got to start.
[1:24:15] You got to start.
[1:24:16] You got to start.
[1:24:18] You got to start.
[1:24:18] I think I have a group of staff back on the group, because I have back in the middle of
[1:24:25] that group.
[1:24:26] No, I'm surprised.
[1:24:29] No, I'm surprised.
[1:24:31] That's it.
[1:24:31] Everyone else in the gap to the gap?
[1:24:34] No, that's it.
[1:24:35] No, that's it.
[1:24:38] Yeah, we're on the back.
[1:24:40] Yeah, we're on the back.
[1:24:46] Yeah, we're on the back.
[1:24:48] No.
[1:24:50] No.
[1:24:53] It's the same.
[1:24:55] I don't know.
[1:24:56] This is the same.
[1:24:58] It's the same.
[1:32:52] Madam Mayor,
[1:32:55] airport, seepor, Adrian,
[1:33:02] all right, let's take a seat guys, let's get this show on the road.
[1:33:15] All right, thank you all. If we can please, as quietly as possible, stand for the invocation given this morning by Father Manuel Rameh, of our Lady of Lebanon, Maranite Catholic Church Miami at the invitation of Commissioner Lopez, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance by Commissioner Lopez.
[1:33:39] Mr. Chairman, Board of Commissioners, thank you for the invitation, especially your
[1:33:46] Honor Commissioner Lopez. I thought that Commissioner Gonzalez took my place today. But
[1:33:51] you did good. Let us pray, Almighty God, source of always them and justice. We thank you for the gift
[1:34:00] of this day and for the opportunity to serve our community. We ask you to bless the members of this
[1:34:06] With wisdom and their deliberations, integrity and their decisions, courage to pursue what is right and compassion for every person whose life is affected by their work.
[1:34:19] Help us to remember that every person possesses inherent dignity and deserves to be treated with respect and fairness.
[1:34:27] May our differences become opportunities for dialogue, our challenges become occasions for
[1:34:34] cooperation, and our shared responsibilities lead to the flourishing of all who called
[1:34:40] this county home.
[1:34:42] Grand Peace on our neighbours and our neighbourhoods strength to those who serve the public, comfort
[1:34:49] to those who suffer and hope to all who seek a better future when trust this meeting to
[1:34:55] loving care and ask the everything set and done today.
[1:35:00] We contribute to the coming good. We bless you our Lord Jesus Christ now and forever. Amen.
[1:35:22] All right, you all may be seated.
[1:35:30] All right, please find the seat if you're in the back. There should be no
[1:35:35] one standing up in the back unless you're media or sergeant at arms or law enforcement. All right.
[1:35:43] Madam attorney. Good morning all. We have a what appears to be a lengthy meeting today.
[1:35:51] So let's keep that in mind as we move the meeting forward.
[1:35:55] Madam attorney is it in order for me to move into a reason of opportunity for the public to be heard at this time?
[1:36:00] Good morning, yes.
[1:36:01] All right.
[1:36:02] I'm going to go ahead and open up a reason of opportunity for the public to be heard.
[1:36:07] Do I do roll call already?
[1:36:09] I did not.
[1:36:10] Wow.
[1:36:11] I'm that fast.
[1:36:12] I'm trying to get this.
[1:36:13] Shall we?
[1:36:13] Let's do roll call.
[1:36:16] Good morning to all.
[1:36:17] The clerk's office has been notified that commissioner Hardeman will be absent from today.
[1:36:21] meeting. Commissioner Bastien. Commissioner Bramures. Commissioner Cone Higgins. Good morning
[1:36:29] President. Senator Garcia. Commissioner Gilbert. Commissioner Gonzalez. Commissioner Lopez.
[1:36:38] Commissioner Miliano Orbis. Commissioner Regalado. Commissioner Steinberg. Vice Chairman McGee.
[1:36:47] Chairman Rodriguez. We have nine members present. We have a quorum.
[1:36:52] All right, so now, a reason for the public to be heard is open, I will call your name,
[1:36:58] please state the item you're speaking on, your name and address, and you will have one minute to speak,
[1:37:02] as we have a fairly long list of speakers.
[1:37:06] And I have,
[1:37:15] we are trying to get people, if some of us are trying to skip the line of reasonable opportunity,
[1:37:20] we're not going to do that right now.
[1:37:22] So, first up, I have Commissioner Ralph Rosado right here.
[1:37:28] I'm going to call a few of you guys and just please line up on inside of the center rows and I'll turn
[1:37:35] approach the well. I have Sergei Kelly
[1:37:39] Miles Davis
[1:37:40] Mary Ekins Durand Peter Rabino
[1:37:46] Ilionor
[1:37:46] Ilionor Quigli
[1:37:48] John Elizabeth Aleman
[1:37:52] Laura Reynolds, Fernando Gravedo, Desa Juan F. Asetuno, William Rathbund, Elio Lopez-Mino.
[1:38:02] Commissioner. Good morning. Good morning. Mr. Chairman Commissioners, and Madam Mayor.
[1:38:06] My name is Rafael Zato, and I have the Fortune of Representing District for the City of Miami,
[1:38:10] which includes close to one mile of Lodham Trail. I'm here today to thank Commissioner Melion Orbis,
[1:38:16] and Mayor Living Kaba for sponsoring item 14 A3,
[1:38:20] which involves the selection of a design firm
[1:38:22] to get the building built.
[1:38:24] This project is something that's been a dream
[1:38:26] of many people for many years.
[1:38:28] I'm excited to see this moving forward.
[1:38:30] At the city, we are doing our part.
[1:38:32] We are approving this version on second reading
[1:38:34] and item that incentivizes developers,
[1:38:36] building within walking distance of Ludum Trail
[1:38:38] and our other trails within the city
[1:38:40] to contribute dollars for construction and maintenance.
[1:38:43] More importantly, today I am personally committing
[1:38:46] on behalf of the city and the development community within the Luddom Trail corridor area
[1:38:51] that we will match your county state and federal dollars to the project with city and private dollars
[1:38:57] so we can get Luddom Hilt. I urge you to vote on 14 A3. Let's get it done.
[1:39:05] Thank you Commissioner.
[1:39:07] Anyone that registered to speak but doesn't necessarily need to anymore is feel free to just wave and support or whatnot.
[1:39:18] I want to urge you guys today to vote against the Kelli tractor development in the Everglades,
[1:39:24] historical Everglades, function Everglades that would also nullify the urban development
[1:39:28] boundary, something that protects thousands of acres of Everglades, farmland, there's homes
[1:39:33] that Miami, rural communities, crops, all of this stuff would be threatened by allowing
[1:39:39] Kelly tractor to be one of the initial ones to build in the Everglades.
[1:39:44] It is a huge problem.
[1:39:45] We know you guys have gotten money through packs related to Kelly tractor.
[1:39:49] We urge you to vote against it.
[1:39:51] There's plenty of land within the urban designation of Miami and homestead in this whole area.
[1:39:56] The Gators, Herons, Manatees, the Wildlife of the...
[1:40:00] The Board should not be impeded by another development that has further stressed the urban
[1:40:05] development boundary, which is something that the voters passed, that the people support, obviously
[1:40:10] wild Florida support, as well, and it should not be impeded for the sake of one company to
[1:40:14] begin a title wave of development that will be followed by other companies either by
[1:40:19] direct lawsuit or your invitation once again. Please vote against Kelly Traktor's Everglades
[1:40:25] development. Thank you. Thank you, sir. All right, John. Good morning. Good morning, chairman,
[1:40:33] Madam Mayor, commissioners. My name is John Alamon with Jacobs. I'm here on item 14B1. Jacobs
[1:40:40] has had the privilege of serving Miami-Dade Water and Sour Department for nearly 50 years. Since 2014,
[1:40:46] we've served as your owner's rep and program manager for Ocean Outfall. I'm here today with representatives
[1:40:52] of the broader engineering, construction, and small business community that helps deliver
[1:40:56] was these critical infrastructure program. And I ask them to please stand.
[1:41:01] Thank you. We appreciate that rate decisions are difficult. Every year this board balances
[1:41:07] affordability with the responsibility to maintain critical systems that residents, businesses,
[1:41:12] visitors, and future development all depend on. Reliable water and wastewater services you know
[1:41:18] essential to protect public health, protect the bay, housing, growth, and the daily quality
[1:41:25] of life for every person in Miami-Dade County.
[1:41:27] Miami-Dade is advancing one of the largest water and wastewater capital programs in Florida.
[1:41:32] While that program does support engineering, construction, suppliers, small businesses and
[1:41:37] a skilled workforce in South Florida, more importantly, it keeps critical projects moving
[1:41:42] before they become emergencies.
[1:41:44] Thank you, John.
[1:41:46] Thank you.
[1:41:46] All right.
[1:41:46] Sorry.
[1:41:49] Good morning, my name is Peter Rubino, and I represent Friends of Levelin Trail, a community
[1:41:54] group advocating for a rail to trail, linear park on the abandoned railway property. The property
[1:42:00] is 100 feet wide by 5.6 miles running from day-tran to Miami International Airport. We have the
[1:42:07] opportunity to turn over 70 acres of fenced off green space into an iconic linear greenway
[1:42:13] in the heart of Miami. I ask that you pass the resolution of proving the contract for professional
[1:42:18] services with clearly horn and associates. At first, I thought the budget was very
[1:42:23] high for this project. But then I read the entire resolution. This five year professional
[1:42:28] services agreement covers design, permitting, bidding assistance and construction oversight.
[1:42:34] This is a comprehensive design through construction administration, contract and substantial
[1:42:39] project management duties. Expectations are high and friends of
[1:42:43] LeBham Trail will keep the vendor accountable. This is a huge opportunity for
[1:42:48] Miami to get this right. LeBham Trail will connect neighborhoods with five
[1:42:52] schools, three parks adjacent to the trail and it terminates in the South
[1:42:56] where it meets the underlying at Daydland, North, Metro Rail Station. And when
[1:43:00] completed, LeBham Trail will connect more than 34,000 residents that live on
[1:43:06] near the trail. It will be a world-class, I guess, linear park. Thank you.
[1:43:12] Laura Reynolds, 6820 Southwest 64th Court, South Miami, with the whole Malayan Coalition
[1:43:19] and Friends of Biscayne Bay. A lot of items to talk about in just a minute, but we applaud
[1:43:26] the effort on 11A11 Commissioner Regalotto and anyone who has co-sponsored that item. We have
[1:43:34] to close the text amendment loophole because we can't let developers write their own rules.
[1:43:39] Our CDNP is really important and the task force amendments that are coming from the task
[1:43:45] force will strengthen our CDNP.
[1:43:48] We are still opposed to 7D.
[1:43:50] The Kelly tractor project.
[1:43:52] We're talking about the largest proposed wetland destruction in 30 years.
[1:43:57] This can't be taken lightly.
[1:43:59] And frankly, that it's gotten as far as concerning.
[1:44:02] we should absolutely be passing rules to strengthen our wetlands to study our wetlands just
[1:44:09] like we did for agriculture to see how many we need to perform those ecosystem services moving
[1:44:15] forward. Now the watershed advisory board did look at this. They proposed to pass some of those items
[1:44:21] and I urge you today to not take this wetland destruction lightly vote no on 70, yes on 11,
[1:44:28] a 11, and yet some is 6% increase.
[1:44:34] Good morning.
[1:44:35] My name is Mary Akins Durand, and I'm here today on behalf of Equality Florida in support
[1:44:39] of Commissioner Lopez's Motion 6B1 to seek clarification on Florida's new anti-diversity
[1:44:44] and local government law.
[1:44:46] This law hasn't even taken effect yet, but it's already changing decisions in city halls
[1:44:50] and county commissions across our state.
[1:44:52] Local governments are questioning long-standing programs, partnerships, and community investments.
[1:44:56] Not because they've been told those things must end, but because they are unsh-
[1:45:01] We've already seen proposed cuts affecting organizations serving black, Hispanic, Asian, and LGBTQ Floridians, reversed.
[1:45:09] After it became clear that those cuts were not required by law. That's why getting answers now matters.
[1:45:14] No community should lose something valuable because the law was left unclear.
[1:45:18] Miami-Dade has an opportunity to take a responsible step by asking the courts for guidance before decisions are made without a clear understanding of the law.
[1:45:25] This will help local leaders know what is required, understand the authority they still have,
[1:45:30] and continue serving their residents effectively.
[1:45:32] Miami data has always been strengthened by the many communities that call this county home.
[1:45:36] Our cultural traditions, community partnerships, and local organizations help make this one of the most vibrant places in the country.
[1:45:43] Before programs, partnerships, or community traditions are changed,
[1:45:46] residents deserve confidence that those decisions are based in what the law actually says.
[1:45:50] When the consequences are real and important legal questions remain unanswered, seeking clarity
[1:45:55] is responsible leadership.
[1:45:57] Miami-Dade has the opportunity to lead by asking for that clarity now.
[1:46:01] We respectfully ask you to support Commissioner Lopez's motion.
[1:46:04] Thank you.
[1:46:05] Thank you so much, sir.
[1:46:07] Good morning, chair and commissioners.
[1:46:09] I'm here to speak on item 6B1 by Commissioner Lopez.
[1:46:12] My name is Miles Davis.
[1:46:13] I serve as Director of Advocacy and Communications at SAVE, South Florida's leading organization
[1:46:18] dedicated to protecting LGBTQ plus people. I want to thank Commissioner Lopez for bringing this
[1:46:23] issue forward for discussion. Senate Bill 1134 creates uncertainty about how Miami-Dade may continue
[1:46:29] operating programs, partnerships, contracts, advisory boards, and public initiatives that serve
[1:46:34] residents across this county. The county should not rush to eliminate law for work simply because
[1:46:39] the statute is broad or unclear. Doing so could disrupt services, waste taxpayer investments,
[1:46:45] and Weekend Longstanding Community Partnerships.
[1:46:48] We urge the Commission to direct the administration and county attorney to conduct a comprehensive
[1:46:52] review, identify what can legally be preserved, and communicate clearly what affected residents
[1:46:57] and organizations may experience before any changes are made.
[1:47:02] The county should also seek judicial clarifications, so decisions are based on the law's actual
[1:47:07] requirements, and not fear or speculation.
[1:47:09] A careful transparent approach always protects taxpayers and strengthens local control and most importantly will allow Miami Day to continue serving all residents within the law.
[1:47:20] We thank Commissioner Lopez for bringing this forward, and we thank you all for your service to the county.
[1:47:24] Thank you, sir.
[1:47:26] Good morning.
[1:47:27] Good morning.
[1:47:27] Juan, I say tuna.
[1:47:28] I'm hearing support of item 14B1.
[1:47:31] Holding rates, flat today may appear to help residents, but the unintended consequence will be far higher cost later.
[1:47:37] Shoting down the same projects is not free.
[1:47:40] Major cost escalations, regulatory penalties, development, moratoriums, and unpredictability
[1:47:46] services that Miami-Dade families and businesses depend on every day.
[1:47:50] Canceling projects in construction creates claims, shut down on the commissioning costs,
[1:47:55] stranded assets, and lost value from work, the county has already paid to advance.
[1:48:00] Projects in design that are put on hold will cause more in the future, not just higher
[1:48:04] construction cost but added design costs as firms verify and redesign or worse if contracts expire
[1:48:11] and new designers start from scratch. The real threat to long-term affordability is not this
[1:48:17] modest rate adjustment. It is the consequence of underfunding the system today. We respectfully urge
[1:48:24] the commission to approve the rate adjustment and keep this critical capital program moving forward.
[1:48:29] The investment today protects the affordability of water and sewer in the future.
[1:48:35] Thank you.
[1:48:37] Thank you.
[1:48:39] Good morning.
[1:48:41] Chair and commissioners, my name is Ali Quigley.
[1:48:45] To all the commissioners here today and those who proceed to do thank you for the vision and dedication that you made to the underlying
[1:48:50] Making it a reality.
[1:48:52] You created a space that brings people together while providing a safe and healthy way to move through the city.
[1:48:57] Thank you for that achievement.
[1:48:58] I hope that the Ledlem Trail will receive the same commitment and attention for the residents
[1:49:03] and visitors of Miami, Dave County.
[1:49:05] The Ledlem Trail will be an important transportation corridor, connecting people to bus routes
[1:49:10] at the Nudes, it's sunset, Miller, Bird, Coralway, Age Street Flagler, Northwest 7 while
[1:49:15] providing access to the metro rail, at Daydland, North Station, and the underlying.
[1:49:21] It will connect communities, students, shoppers, workers, and visitors to, with safer and
[1:49:25] more convenient transportation options.
[1:49:27] The trail will also serve many important community destinations at every node, including
[1:49:34] Daydland Mall, Daydland North, South Miami, Lutheran preschool, South Miami Elementary
[1:49:38] K to 8th Center, South Miami Middle School, Magnet, South Miami, Senior High, 80 Doug Barnes
[1:49:43] Park for this to the rescue park, Crawl Terrace Elementary, Robert King High Park, Miami,
[1:49:48] Airport Convention Center and Merchandice Mark.
[1:49:50] Thank you so much.
[1:49:51] Appreciate it.
[1:49:52] All right, did William Rathbone, Elio Lopez?
[1:50:00] As we know,
[1:50:03] Fernando Graveiro de Sao, and then they're waving. Okay. And then everyone else that I'm going to call is here for the same item for the Wasti Report, 14-B-1, and it all says four, so favor. If you want to wave, you're welcome to. I have Nivado Soriya, Michael Perez, Michael Perez, is that you coming down, Michael?
[1:50:30] All right, Sebastian Alvarez, Sebastian Alvarez, all right, I got you waving Joshua Reyes,
[1:50:42] waving Julian Becker,
[1:50:49] my blowing Julian,
[1:50:53] Valery Donette, Valery Donets,
[1:50:59] and NATO Fernandez,
[1:51:00] All right, waving, Damien de Jesus, Damien de Jesus,
[1:51:09] Joseph roga,
[1:51:12] Joseph roga, Cardinal
[1:51:16] a Phonso, Cardinal a Phonso, Juan Rojas, a lot of people are stuck downstairs.
[1:51:24] That's, now they need to have been here earlier, Laura, thank you for that, though, appreciate
[1:51:28] public service announcement. Juan Rojas. Juan Rojas.
[1:51:38] Nekolo Zano. Nekolo Zano. Luis
[1:51:43] Suarez.
[1:51:46] Evelyn Rodriguez.
[1:51:51] Maria Molina. Maria, thank you. Artura Burbano. Okay, and again,
[1:51:59] just to make sure all of you guys are waving in support of the report, the Wastie report, is what I have.
[1:52:05] 14 B1.
[1:52:08] Pedro Kiddos.
[1:52:11] Pedro, all right, thank you.
[1:52:13] And Rick Tavades.
[1:52:15] Rick, thank you.
[1:52:16] All right, those are all the public speakers I have
[1:52:19] for reasonable opportunity registered.
[1:52:22] Is there anyone that just walked upstairs from downstairs?
[1:52:26] That signed up to speak.
[1:52:27] I see a couple of people walking in.
[1:52:29] Is anyone registered to speak in reason of opportunity?
[1:52:32] I want to make sure I get you before I close out?
[1:52:36] No.
[1:52:38] All right.
[1:52:40] there's a gentleman, you could come up, come on up.
[1:52:47] Through the chair.
[1:52:48] Madam Mayor.
[1:52:49] Apparently Councilman Kevin Burns is here that was signed up to speak.
[1:52:53] So I just want to make sure you're aware he's here from Northman.
[1:52:56] But is he signed up to speak on public hearing or a reasonable opportunity?
[1:53:00] Which item?
[1:53:04] reasonable opportunity he said.
[1:53:05] Okay, then you could approach the podium as well.
[1:53:08] Approach the approach a well.
[1:53:11] You both can, there's two wells.
[1:53:12] You both can approach the wells.
[1:53:14] I mean, don't, I'll rush at the same time.
[1:53:18] I'll see.
[1:53:18] Go ahead.
[1:53:19] You're up.
[1:53:20] Good morning, Madam Mayor and commissioners.
[1:53:23] It's great to see a lot of you here today.
[1:53:28] I don't very often come down here.
[1:53:29] My name's Kevin Burns, Councilman with the City of North Miami, former Mayor.
[1:53:33] I'm here today to support Commissioner Lopez's recommendation for a
[1:53:38] the Clareatory Judicial Review of the diversity bill, I'll just say that item.
[1:53:47] As somebody who spent four or five weeks in Tallahassee going to the hearings, both in
[1:53:51] the House and the Senate, and listening to the makers of this ordinance and law this
[1:53:57] law, not be able to answer questions of what it actually meant.
[1:54:02] They could not answer what they were trying to accomplish by this law and going from the
[1:54:08] it and over to the house back and forth.
[1:54:12] And you know if a bill has 24 cutouts, that is not good.
[1:54:17] You all add amendments to some of your things, but you've never done 24 amendments, so
[1:54:22] you know something is wrong.
[1:54:25] I've been in conference calls with city attorneys, county attorneys, all different organizations
[1:54:29] that are going to be affected by this.
[1:54:32] Nobody can get a clear answer of what you can do and can not do, and I'll tell you right
[1:54:37] Now I don't want to be the GettingPig as elected official to remove from office because I gave
[1:54:41] me a particular group of proclamation celebrating their heritage so please support her
[1:54:47] item.
[1:54:47] Thank you.
[1:54:49] All right.
[1:54:49] I got Mr. Ron McGill, if he's Ron McGill, you on the list, let's come up, come on
[1:54:56] up, sir.
[1:54:59] I knew you were retired.
[1:55:04] Hello, my name is Carol Cums, I'm a resident in Miami Beach, my address is 1754, Maridian, Avenue, I also work for
[1:55:12] Miami Beach Pride as the director of grants. So I'm actually here today in support of Commissioner
[1:55:18] and Vicky Lopez, I fall under District 5 and SB 1134, and I'm asking the city attorney
[1:55:25] to investigate a lot of, do not know what's going on with this, SB 1134, does the
[1:55:32] Pride Proclamation count as promoting DEI?
[1:55:36] Does the rainbow fly going up count as promoting DEI or is that first amendment?
[1:55:41] I'm here also because Mummy Beach Pied stands to lose $350,000 in grant funding, even though
[1:55:49] it's economic impact is more than $5 million creating hundreds and hundreds of jobs for small
[1:55:54] businesses in Miami Beach.
[1:55:56] So my ask is, please investigate, please support the KELOPACES District 5 recommendation and
[1:56:04] I will tell you we are brave and resilient in the LGBTQ community, the 19th edition of
[1:56:11] which is going to happen. The family picnic is on Saturday, April 3rd. The Pride Weekend is
[1:56:17] April 10th and 11th. Mark your dates or see you in the parade. Thank you so much Mr McGill.
[1:56:25] Morning, Madam Mayor, Commissioner. Thank you for your opportunity to be here. I'm here to speak
[1:56:28] on behalf of the flamingo. It's a state murder Florida. Listen, for years, they thought the flamingo
[1:56:33] was not a native bird. It wasn't until all the hard work done by conservation biologists at the
[1:56:37] and Audubon Florida, that FWC finally said,
[1:56:39] yes, it's a native bird, this and I know I got limited time,
[1:56:41] so here's the deal.
[1:56:43] The American Flamingo is more than just a beautiful bird, okay?
[1:56:46] It's a symbol of resilience after persecution,
[1:56:50] it's a symbol of hope after disappearance.
[1:56:54] It represents everything that Florida is.
[1:56:57] It represents how nature can come back
[1:56:58] and reclaim itself when given the opportunity.
[1:57:01] I can think of no other bird that better tells Florida story.
[1:57:04] If Florida wants to celebrate its great natural heritage, I can think of no better ambassador than the greater flamingo.
[1:57:12] Okay, this bird is amazing.
[1:57:14] It's the only, it's a species found only in Florida as a native species, nowhere else in the country.
[1:57:20] It's a bird that represents the resilience of Florida.
[1:57:23] It's everything, it's just an amazing bird that's come back.
[1:57:27] The bottom line is this folks.
[1:57:29] The flamingo has returned home.
[1:57:32] It's time for Florida to celebrate and recognize it as one of its own. Thank you very much
[1:57:38] Thank you around. Appreciate the enthusiasm
[1:57:44] Probably not gonna be as enthusiastic but yeah, give it a shot though. Oh, I'm there. I want to take it
[1:57:49] You'll take it. Okay
[1:57:51] Good morning to chairman the commissioners the mayor my name is Valeria Donance my address is 4600
[1:57:56] Salt West 67 Avenue, and I'm speaking to you on behalf of Biscan Bay in support of my share point of order
[1:58:01] If we could just have the chambers be quiet while she's speaking, I can merely hear her.
[1:58:08] Go ahead, Madam.
[1:58:09] Thank you.
[1:58:10] So I'm here representing Prince of this campaign.
[1:58:12] I'm speaking in support of item 14B1.
[1:58:15] We recognize that any increase in utility rates affects residents and affordability is an important
[1:58:19] consideration.
[1:58:20] But this item is ultimately about protecting clean water public health and this game bay.
[1:58:25] The county's own report acknowledges the past under investment in water and waste water.
[1:58:28] infrastructure contributed to sign as a resourceful overflow in our mental harm to
[1:58:32] the skin bay violations of the clean water act and ultimately defend our federal
[1:58:36] consent agree.
[1:58:37] Today, the consent agree program is a pork approximately eight and nine percent
[1:58:40] there.
[1:58:41] We're almost there.
[1:58:42] And it's not, it's really not the time to slow down.
[1:58:45] Belaying these investments does not eliminate costs and increases the likelihood of
[1:58:49] infrastructure failures, emergency repairs, sewage spills and even larger costs in
[1:58:53] the future.
[1:58:53] For the average residential customer, the proposed adjustment is approximately 20 cells per
[1:58:57] which is a low price to pay for a clean day.
[1:59:00] That medicine investment keeps helps protect the infrastructure that keeps
[1:59:04] sewage out of the skin day and supports the completion of critical waste
[1:59:07] water improvements. We respectfully urge you to support for ITM 14 day
[1:59:11] one. Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Sorry, this came.
[1:59:16] Was it way better get you guys up from downstairs? I know some of you. I'm going to
[1:59:21] obviously encourage you guys to speak, but some of you did wave in support of an item.
[1:59:25] So you've kind of been boozeling me here a little bit now. I see you're ready to speak, but go ahead. Have I had it?
[1:59:31] Is the chair a bit of water, please?
[1:59:34] Madam commissioner. So as people finish speaking, maybe it will be wise for them to leave.
[1:59:39] They are downstairs.
[1:59:41] They are there going to be taking back downstairs after they speak yes.
[1:59:46] Go ahead sir.
[1:59:47] Hello, I am Elio Lopez Minot. I live in 52.5612S for another avenue. I came here to speak in favor for this item, this water bill for a team B.
[2:00:00] What are topics are a correct and responsible use of our tax funds? I have seen improvements in my city using tax funds. So I have no doubt that we are able to use these resources to improve our water quality research them, make more responsible decisions. Water quality is a paramount for our health and wellness of our current and coming generation.
[2:00:20] It is a human rights and something so important.
[2:00:24] No cooperation or private interests can thrive without prioritizing the genuine needs of our human rights, which is clean water.
[2:00:31] Which comes first.
[2:00:33] We all know that wetlands provide our freshest water source and natural filtration for our community.
[2:00:40] And the U.S. representatives are representing the people, setting the highest moral standards, making the correct decisions for our generation.
[2:00:48] So I hope we can make the best decision representing the people.
[2:00:53] So thank you so much.
[2:00:55] Thank you, sir.
[2:00:56] Sir.
[2:00:57] Good morning.
[2:00:58] My name is Navala Seria.
[2:00:59] I live at 869 Southwest 149 court.
[2:01:02] I'm here in support of the 14 B1 because I believe studies into our water quality infiltration
[2:01:07] are a good use of taxpayer dollars.
[2:01:10] Water is something essential entirely to life.
[2:01:13] We should be doing everything we can to preserve and multiply.
[2:01:16] it, especially in our coming times of AI technology. Improving and improving on with so much
[2:01:23] more hunger for our clean drinking water. As Tyves move on, we lose more and more of not only
[2:01:29] our drinking water, but also our natural occurring methods of water filtration, like our wetlands.
[2:01:34] That act as a part of natural water management system, they slow and store, soar water,
[2:01:39] allow water to integrate with soil's vegetation and microorganisms before it moves through surrounding
[2:01:46] hydraulic systems like the this gain aquifier also known as Southwest Florida primary source
[2:01:51] of drinking water. Protecting the natural ability of these lands to store filter and recharge
[2:01:57] water is especially important to water quality and in quantity. I strongly encourage me to
[2:02:04] move with 14v1.
[2:02:09] Good morning commissioners. My name is Joshua Reyes. I live in Brickle and I
[2:02:13] to voice that I'm in favor for motion 14B-1.
[2:02:18] Stable access to clean water isn't a privilege, it's a natural human right.
[2:02:22] People come from all walks of life-diver chance to live here in our great city, so the least
[2:02:26] we can do is make sure that our most vital source for living is available to all, free from
[2:02:31] microplastics and other pollutants.
[2:02:34] Research in this topic will help consecrate the importance of our wetlands, and will prove
[2:02:38] that continued building past the open development boundary would be hazardous for the growing future
[2:02:44] of Miamians. Thank you and Happy Parks and Recreation Month. Thank you. Good morning.
[2:02:51] Hello, Commissioners. My name is Sebastian Alvarez, 237 Southwest 13th Street and I'm here
[2:02:57] in support of item 14B1. I believe that studies on our water quality are very important for the
[2:03:02] well-being of our community and our surrounding wildlife and Miami-Date County. Structures are being
[2:03:06] build over acres of land occupied and precious wildlife in our Everglades and these structures
[2:03:12] create unnecessary pollutants that not only directly affect the very wildlife but our own
[2:03:16] health. That's why I'm here to ask you for your support on these issues that are incredibly important
[2:03:20] to me and my colleagues. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. Good morning commissioners and
[2:03:27] a special good morning to commissioner regalado. I'm here to speak of course on 14B as well as
[2:03:33] All my friends here, we've gathered to talk about water quality and the importance of it.
[2:03:41] And I'd also like to mention, it is a Tuesday, sorry, not Tuesday.
[2:03:47] David, I just please.
[2:03:49] Name is Joseph Brokeham and I'm in West Kendall.
[2:03:53] The recent I bring out, it's a day and a week because we need your actual address.
[2:03:58] 1627, 275 West and Ephesary and the recent I bring up it's a day within the week is because
[2:04:03] It's nine a.m. in the morning and unlike many of the people that are here, I have a job
[2:04:09] to attend to and have to for the sake of my family and everybody else here. I say that because
[2:04:16] not everybody who I know who wanted to be here is here. So, know that we represent a lot more
[2:04:21] people than just the 15 rage souls or so that you see here. And again, I'm here to speak on the
[2:04:28] that the water quality as well as our wetlands are incredibly important to the
[2:04:33] Everglades and incredibly important to the people of Miami and the young people
[2:04:38] Miami who are growing population, a working population and a smart population
[2:04:43] that boats and stays active in their community.
[2:04:46] So please keep that in mind.
[2:04:49] Thank you.
[2:04:50] Thank you, sir.
[2:04:51] Welcome to Furners. My name is Damian. I live in 4 7 9 1 North West Second Street. Hope you are all well. Me and my
[2:05:00] Friends are gathered here today in support of this item, 14B1. Water is life. Therefore, we must preserve it. Many AI data setters have been developed around Florida. This is an attack on our resources and the amount of water needed to run these centers is harmful.
[2:05:13] Also, our wetlands are one of the main sources of water. Developing on these lands will also affect the water quality. So please vote yes on this item and have the same energy for the upcoming ones to help preserve our lands. Animals, and more importantly, water and our health for our Florianians.
[2:05:30] Thank you for your time.
[2:05:31] Thank you, sir.
[2:05:34] Good morning, I see many commissioners and people here present today.
[2:05:37] My name is one of the rural house barriers.
[2:05:38] I live in 11, 150 subways, 14 straight.
[2:05:42] I came here to come in favor of the 14 B1.
[2:05:45] I believe this is a great loss of the taxpayer money.
[2:05:49] These studies are able to protect the windblathens from on-the-scruples companies
[2:05:53] are willing to sacrifice the water quality of our city
[2:05:56] just for the sake of some money and going over important laws that were placed there for reasons
[2:06:03] such as the Clean Water Act, they put in danger the people by leaving up to companies,
[2:06:11] important aquifers such as the Biscayne Bay aquifers which is the primary source of drinking water
[2:06:16] to 5 million for the audience. This doesn't only hurt the people but also means a cause of money
[2:06:20] to a state because they have to replace that water that are lost. Thank you very much.
[2:06:27] Thank you sir. Hello commissioners. My name is Michael Perez. I live at 1 5 3 3 0
[2:06:34] Southwest 1 5 5 court West Kendall and I'm here in support of 11 A 1 because water is extremely important to all
[2:06:42] of us young people who showed up here today it's a key part of our politics here in South Florida.
[2:06:47] This study is rather important. I think it's important that our wastewater gets studied.
[2:06:51] our water quality gets studied, you know, because it's getting attacked from so many sites across
[2:06:56] the county.
[2:06:57] There's been so many AI data centers that have been approved in my immediate county, which
[2:07:00] are not only increasing electricity costs residents, but using our water resources as well.
[2:07:06] What happened to protecting the Biscayne Bay protecting our drinking water, halting salt water
[2:07:10] intrusion?
[2:07:12] I have so much more to say, and many other items I want to speak on today, but this is where
[2:07:16] we're putting our energy today.
[2:07:17] and just think for future generations, for future my amyons, whenever land gets paved, lands,
[2:07:25] flood, impervious surfaces affect all of us, especially those proximal to chromavenu.
[2:07:31] And well, as seized rise, limestone will fill with water. So every time we have an impervious surface,
[2:07:37] well, it's going to flood a whole lot easier. Thank you all, and have a wonderful day. Thank you.
[2:07:43] Hello and good morning. My name is Nicole Ozano. I'm a Florida-born resident living on 795 South
[2:07:49] West 110th Avenue speaking in behalf of 14B1. I'm a 20 year old student at FIU majoring
[2:07:56] sustainability, which is the primary goal of sustaining the Earth for future generations,
[2:08:02] which this water study greatly contributes exactly to that. Art Wetlands and the maintenance
[2:08:08] last tracking of the water quality is crucial to our lives.
[2:08:13] The wetlands are a main source of drinking water, and without study such as these, we wouldn't
[2:08:17] be able to keep up with our livelihoods regarding fresh water.
[2:08:21] I Nicole Ozano and many others are in favor of taxpayer money going towards these water
[2:08:26] studies for the overall betterment of our beloved Everglades.
[2:08:29] Thank you very much.
[2:08:31] Thank you.
[2:08:32] Hello, commissioners and chairman. My name is Sophia Maya. I address 3-1-7-2
[2:08:37] phones and blue boulevard Miami Florida. Today I wanted to speak on item 5-2 on behalf of
[2:08:41] the importance of affordable housing. Having for habitat of Miami is a non-profit organization that
[2:08:46] helps the community build affordable housing. A big issue in Miami is how affordable everything is.
[2:08:52] Especially housing, a decent one-bedroom one-back from apartment monthly is 1,800 minimum,
[2:08:57] including increasing rents after lease agreements. Many residents face daily struggles of
[2:09:02] skyrocketing housing prices that our salaries cannot afford, there needs to be more affordable
[2:09:06] options available for families and residents.
[2:09:09] Miami should move towards affordability and all aspects of life, walkability, accessible
[2:09:13] communities, quality of life for our environment.
[2:09:16] South Florida's wetlands provide fresh water, flood protection, biodiversity and balance for
[2:09:20] all of us.
[2:09:21] Developments for housing and business, such as Kelly Tractor, deserve the rights to exist,
[2:09:26] but not at the expense and destruction of wildlife and vital habitat.
[2:09:29] We need our environment just as much as we need a affordable housing business and quality of life for all residents
[2:09:35] This is immense of these slanders towards anyone present today, but it is instead a call for accountability
[2:09:41] Responsibility percent. Thank you so much, man. Thank
[2:09:45] you. Hello, my name is Cardinal Fonso. I live in one four two two nine Southwest
[2:09:53] Southwest 97 terrorists
[2:09:56] I'm here because I was originally going to say
[2:10:00] We talk about the Kelly tractor, but as expected, public comment is closed. I'm still here because I care about our waters. All of us speaking here are, I would like to mention that we aren't here to waste your time. We take time out of our day to be here to tell you how we all feel because we truly care about this.
[2:10:18] I believe funding this study is a great use of our taxpayer money, instead of building more
[2:10:23] AI data centers, which takes our water and damages our ecosystems we should be using
[2:10:29] taxpayer money for something that is actually beneficial to all of us and our nature.
[2:10:34] As you all know, our water quality is extremely important, not only for us, but our future generations.
[2:10:40] Funding the study of our water quality will ensure that our water is free of microplastics
[2:10:44] and other pollutants that are harmful to us all.
[2:10:47] This is truly important, and we urge you to support the funding of our water studies.
[2:10:54] Thank you.
[2:10:55] Thank you.
[2:10:57] Sir.
[2:11:02] It's your turn.
[2:11:03] Oh, it's my turn.
[2:11:04] Good morning.
[2:11:05] My name is Jules.
[2:11:06] I live in 13506.
[2:11:08] It's North East 24th place.
[2:11:10] I'm a North Miami resident.
[2:11:12] Before anything, I just want to extend my thanks for all of you guys for showing up today.
[2:11:15] We have a pretty good turn now as I see.
[2:11:18] Yes, I want to speak about the water quality situation as a Miami local, I've seen firsthand how important it is to protect our environment with rising sea levels and temperatures globally.
[2:11:33] I think this is a very important way of contributing to our environment as well as using our resources correctly.
[2:11:46] I think it's really important that we take a moment to think about how this will affect
[2:11:52] our future and how our city's landscape will look 10, 20, 30 years from now.
[2:11:59] So many young people care so much about this because it will land on us effectively.
[2:12:06] So yeah, I do hope you take everything that everyone said with, sorry, my anniversaries.
[2:12:11] Okay, thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. All right. We are now officially closed with a reason of opportunity and
[2:12:23] Madam attorney should we set the agenda at the time?
[2:12:27] Yes, Mr. Chair. I have a number of changes. I imagine so. Let's do it.
[2:12:34] 2B5
[2:12:35] Commissioner Lopez and Commissioner Cohen Higgins add this item to the poll list
[2:12:42] 2b6, Commissioner Regalado, that's the item to the poll list.
[2:12:48] 2b8, Commissioner Lopez, and Commissioner Cohen Higgins, at this item to the poll list.
[2:12:56] 2b10, Commissioner Regalado, Pulse the item.
[2:13:03] 2b12, 3b2, and 3b5.
[2:13:07] Commissioner Lopez adds these three items to the polis. That's 2b12, 3b2 and 3b5.
[2:13:15] Mr. Chair, I do have some requests to bifurcate first reading items, so I'll run through them now and then I'll tell you again when we're there.
[2:13:23] 4b, Senator Garcia, 14a1, 14a5, 14a6, and 14a7, Commissioner Regalado, and also 14a8.
[2:13:33] I have a request to bifurcate public hearing items.
[2:13:37] 5A, Commissioner Bestian, 5F, 5G, and 5H, Commissioner Regalado, 5L, Commissioner
[2:13:45] Bermuda, and Commissioner Million Orbis, 5O, Commissioner Million Orbis, and Senator Garcia,
[2:13:51] and 5U, Senator Garcia.
[2:13:54] I also have some requests to bifurcate items for second reading.
[2:13:57] 7B7 is Commissioner Lopez and 7D and 7E Commissioner Regalado.
[2:14:07] 8F1 Senator Garcia adds this item to the poll list.
[2:14:12] 8F2 Commissioner Bermutas adding this item to the poll list.
[2:14:17] 8G5 Commissioner Million Orbis adds this item to the poll list.
[2:14:23] 8K1 Chairman Rodriguez adds this item to the poll list.
[2:14:27] Mr. Chair, item 8k2, the sponsors requesting deferral of this item to no date certain.
[2:14:34] So with the setting of the agenda, the setting will be deferred.
[2:14:39] 8k4, and item 8n7, Commissioner Gilbert, as these items to the poll list.
[2:14:44] That's 8k4 and 8n7. 8n8, Senator Garcia, as this item to the poll list.
[2:14:54] Items 802 803 and 804 are being pulled by Commissioner Bermuda's.
[2:15:03] 985, also being pulled by Commissioner Brumutus. Mr. Chair, items 10A1 and 10A2 have been listened and the changes she with a requested deferral by Commissioner Bestianne. She no longer wishes to refer these to for these two items. That's items 10A1 and 10A2. So with the setting of the agenda, these two items will be approved.
[2:15:27] 11A1 Commissioner Lopez adds a item to the poll list.
[2:15:32] 11A13 and 11A3.
[2:15:33] its supplements, Senator Garcia and Commissioners Lopez Bermuda's Regalado and Cohen Higgins
[2:15:38] are adding this item to the poll list.
[2:15:42] That was the 11813 and its supplements, and it's Senator Garcia Lopez Bermuda's Regalado
[2:15:48] and Cohen Higgins are the pulling commissioners.
[2:15:52] 11814, Commissioner Steinberg and Commissioner Regalado pulled this item.
[2:15:57] 11816, Commissioner Steinberg and Cohen Higgins are pulling this item.
[2:16:03] 11-817, Commissioner Steinberg and Commissioner Regalado are pulling the
[2:16:07] side of them. 11-820, the side is being pulled by Commissioner Bermuda's
[2:16:12] Commissioner Steinberg and Commissioner Regalado. 11-824, Commissioner Regalado is
[2:16:19] pulling the side of them. 11-825, Chairman Rodriguez, as a side
[2:16:24] to the pull list. 14A2 and 14A3, Commissioner Regalado is pulling the side on, or pulling
[2:16:32] these items. 14A4, Commissioner Cohen Higgins.
[2:16:38] 14A1, I'm sorry Commissioner Regalado is
[2:16:40] pulling 14A1 as well.
[2:16:44] 14B1, Chairman Rodriguez and Commissioner Cohen Higgins. 14B2, Commissioner
[2:16:50] Cohen Higgins is pulling this item and 15B1,
[2:16:54] Chairman Rodriguez and Senator Garcia are pulling these items.
[2:16:58] I have additional requests for co-sponsorship,
[2:17:01] items 7E, Commissioner Bestian, 81, Commissioner Steinberg,
[2:17:07] 11A1, Commissioner Million Orbis, 11A11, Commissioner Steinberg,
[2:17:12] 11A21, Commissioner Steinberg, 11A25, Commissioner Million Orbis.
[2:17:17] The items to be considered on today's meeting
[2:17:19] will be those listed in the printed final agenda with the additions to Ferrell's withdrawals
[2:17:23] and screwner's errors noted in the Chairman's memorandum and the items I just mentioned.
[2:17:27] The commission will approve all of these items, best single vote setting the agenda except
[2:17:30] item 2b1, mayors appointment of the Director of the Seaport Department, item 2b2, the mayors
[2:17:35] appointment of the Director of the Department of Culture Affairs, ordinances for first reading
[2:17:39] public hearings, item 6a1, discussion item regarding the status of the county's electric fleet,
[2:17:44] Item 6 beat 1 discussion item regarding SB 1134 official actions of local governments, DEI,
[2:17:52] ordinances sub for second reading, items 8a1, 8a2, 8a3, 8a4, 8a5, 8p1, 8p5, and 8p8, which are
[2:18:02] your commercial service airport contracts which are not on your polis and have to be voted on
[2:18:06] appropriately and the following poll list items.
[2:18:10] 2B5, 2B6, 2B8, 2B10, 2B12, 3B2, 3B5, 8F1, 8F2, 8G5, 8K1, 8K4, 8n7, 8n8, 802, 803, 804, 9511A1, 11A13, and
[2:18:35] 11A-14, 11A-16, 11A-17, 11A-20, 11A-20, 11A-24, 11A-25, 14A-1, that's the first reading
[2:18:46] item. I'll read it with the balance of the first readings, 14A-2, 14A-3, 14A-4, 14A-5, 14A-6, 14A-7,
[2:18:55] and 14A-8. Those four items are first readings. I'll read those with the first readings,
[2:19:00] 14B-1, 14B-2, and 15B-1, a motion to set the agenda as an order.
[2:19:06] I have some more pull the Vice Chairman for two.
[2:19:11] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can you please add to that list 11815-8p9 and 14B-1?
[2:19:19] I'll be pulling those.
[2:19:20] Any additional pull items? Anyone wishes to pull any additional items?
[2:19:24] I'll entertain a motion to set the agenda.
[2:19:26] May may could you please repeat those repeat the three by share I got a point of this get it
[2:19:33] I know but
[2:19:35] But it's kind of round. I'm just I'm very uncomfortable to get a ways but think talk about those
[2:19:40] Go head by chair. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Chairman
[2:19:42] Madam maternity the items refer to were 11.815
[2:19:49] 8p9
[2:19:51] And 14b1 those are the items that we'll be pulling
[2:19:54] Commissioner Gilbert, you're recognized for a point of discomfort. I'll point of discomfort. I just-
[2:20:00] I refuse to believe that we pulled this entire agenda.
[2:20:04] It's July. This is the July day.
[2:20:06] I just refuse to believe that there are that many controversial things on this agenda.
[2:20:10] I went through this agenda.
[2:20:11] There's not, but we're politicians. We'd like to hear ourselves talk.
[2:20:13] Oh, my God.
[2:20:15] It's what it is.
[2:20:15] Oh, my God.
[2:20:16] We got nothing else to do.
[2:20:18] You all pack a lunch.
[2:20:19] It's just, and that's why we got an orangimed meeting tonight.
[2:20:22] I mean, I can't make it, but we got an orangimed meeting tonight.
[2:20:25] So, Mr. Chair, who's, who's,
[2:20:31] It's APA, I want to pull a 8, P-8, AP-8, AP-8, AP-8, AP-8, AP-8, AP-8, all right.
[2:20:40] With that I want to entertain a motion to set the agenda and all of its pooled items, it's
[2:20:44] been moved back to Mission Lopez, seconded by Commissioner Bastien, on favor, signify by say
[2:20:49] an aye.
[2:20:51] And everything that Jerry mentioned happens with the setting of the agenda.
[2:20:53] Can we quiet down in the back, please?
[2:20:57] All right, before I get into first readings, I'm going to
[2:21:00] recognize the mayor for two appointments.
[2:21:05] We'll start with two B1, which is the mayor appointment to the director of the C-Port Department.
[2:21:12] We have Jonathan Daniels serving as the new executive director.
[2:21:16] Well, serving, he was serving as the director of Maryland-Port Administration, MPA, and the
[2:21:21] Port of Baltimore, and the 11th busiest tonnage port in the United States.
[2:21:26] And I know that he's here this morning, welcome, and with his wife, Adrienne.
[2:21:34] So thank you for being here, Adrienne, and Mr. Daniels, all right, Madam Mayor, do you
[2:21:40] want to do a refintroduction of our new port director?
[2:21:43] Yes, I would love to, but thank you for leading it off.
[2:21:47] That was wonderful.
[2:21:49] Well, we are very, very pleased that we found Mr. Daniels Jonathan, Daniels, please
[2:21:53] if you would approach the well here.
[2:21:57] To be our next director in CEO of the Port Miami, we all know that Port Miami is one of
[2:22:02] our most important economic engines.
[2:22:04] It supports more than $340,000 across Florida, $61 billion in economic impact, and so strong
[2:22:12] leadership is very essential to its continued success.
[2:22:16] He brings more than three decades of experience, leading some of the nation's most significant
[2:22:21] Seaports, he's managed complex crews, cargo and logistics operations, he's overseen multi-billion
[2:22:27] dollar capital investments. He's built a reputation as a thoughtful collaborative leader and a
[2:22:32] delivers results and by the way he comes from a longshoremen family, father and grandfather,
[2:22:38] part of the longshoremen union. Most recently he led the port of Baltimore through one of the most
[2:22:44] challenging moments in our nation's history in maritime. The collapse of the Francis Scott Keybridge,
[2:22:50] He helped to restore operations while guiding the port to a record year for container activity and before that
[2:22:56] He led right here port Everglades and he advanced $3 billion strategy to expand cargo cruise and energy operations
[2:23:03] So as port Miami continues to grow and best in critical infrastructure
[2:23:08] Strengthens its position as the cruise capital of the world and the cargo gateway of the Americas
[2:23:13] I'm confident that Jonathan has the experience the vision and the city leadership to build on that momentum
[2:23:19] we're really delighted that he's chosen to join us. Thank you and welcome to Jonathan.
[2:23:25] Thank you.
[2:23:25] Welcome.
[2:23:29] Good job, President.
[2:23:32] Anyone that takes this job deserves a drop of applause and you know who?
[2:23:37] Yeah. And he brought his wife with him? I mean, that's like a double wheavy.
[2:23:41] All right. Go ahead, you got the floor.
[2:23:43] Madam Mayor Mr. Chairman and members of the county commission I am humbled and honored
[2:23:48] to be standing before you this morning.
[2:23:52] When we talk about the cargo gateway to the Americas,
[2:23:56] when we talk about the cruise capital of the world,
[2:24:00] those are statements of registered trademarks,
[2:24:02] but there are more than anything promises.
[2:24:04] There are promises that we, as a port, as port Miami,
[2:24:07] make to the stakeholders who are utilizing our facilities
[2:24:12] and utilizing port Miami as their gateway.
[2:24:16] The 8.5 million past your moves that we engaged in just last year is a solid number, but
[2:24:27] we have put ourselves in a position where we stepped back a little bit.
[2:24:31] There is another port to the north of us that shall remain nameless right now that has taken
[2:24:36] over that position.
[2:24:39] I am absolutely enthusiastic about where we stand right now with the incredible staff that we
[2:24:45] have, I had the opportunity to meet with the directors yesterday. One of the reasons why
[2:24:50] this position was so appealing was because I've had the opportunity to work with many
[2:24:54] of them in the past. And the view and the vision that they have to be-
[2:25:00] able to continue to move the port forward whether it's cruise or cargo. This is absolutely incredible
[2:25:05] team under which I am absolutely proud to be a member of. I sat down with them yesterday for about
[2:25:12] an hour, hour and a half after that meeting, all I wanted to do was sit back in the office
[2:25:17] and get to work. This is a team that prepared to move forward. Yes, we have challenges ahead of us.
[2:25:24] every port in the America, every port in the world, has challenges.
[2:25:29] As the mayor had mentioned, I've had the opportunity to work through challenges, whether
[2:25:33] it's rebuilding after Hurricane Katrina, whether it's taking on the third largest cruise
[2:25:38] home port in the world during the pandemic, or six weeks after my arrival in Baltimore
[2:25:43] and getting to call it 130 in the morning that the Francis Scott Keybridge has gone into the
[2:25:48] river.
[2:25:49] All of those issues unexpected, all of those issues allow us the opportunity to be creative.
[2:25:56] To utilize the team approach, to utilize a creative approach and ultimately come out the other side.
[2:26:02] We have set records after each of those instances.
[2:26:06] And that is the passion and the draw that I want to be able to bring to this team.
[2:26:11] Again, I've had the opportunity to work with many of them, work with many of them in leadership.
[2:26:16] And to stand before you now in consideration of my appointment to this position, again, I am honored and humbled to be a part of the Miami-Dade family.
[2:26:26] As many people have pointed out to me, more importantly to the professional and team that is at port Miami that leads with professionalism and integrity like no other port.
[2:26:38] I've had the opportunity to be able to work with and work for.
[2:26:42] I've had the opportunity to speak to a few of you on the commission thus far,
[2:26:46] but would be willing to answer any questions that you may have
[2:26:49] in consideration of the appointment.
[2:26:52] Thank you.
[2:26:52] And just through the chair to clarify,
[2:26:54] his official first day of work is August 10.
[2:26:57] So we asked him to come here so that we could have an opportunity for people to meet here.
[2:27:01] Awesome.
[2:27:01] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[2:27:02] And welcome aboard again.
[2:27:04] Thanks, Chairwoman Koenigens.
[2:27:06] Thank you, Madam Mr. Chair and thank you, Madam Mayor and welcome.
[2:27:10] Congratulations on the appointment.
[2:27:13] I just want to say a few words regarding your role and the size of it and the magnitude
[2:27:18] of the work that you're going to do here for us in the community, not only focusing on passenger
[2:27:24] volume in those numbers, but with a particular emphasis on the amazing community that you are now a key member of
[2:27:31] the over 300,000 jobs that rely on Port Miami every day to feed their families.
[2:27:38] And so I know that you are equipped and experienced.
[2:27:41] We all certainly look forward to working with you.
[2:27:43] And I would be remiss if I didn't say rather passionately that you have very big shoes
[2:27:48] to fill.
[2:27:49] Our former Port Director was an extraordinary member of our Miami-Dade County team.
[2:27:53] We all miss her and wish her well in her future endeavors, but just wanted to share welcoming
[2:28:00] remarks, but also remarks saying that the job is huge. We know you're going to do a wonderful
[2:28:05] job. Miami data is such a unique and extraordinary community. And we look forward to your
[2:28:10] leadership here at Port Miami. So once again, congratulations and welcome. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[2:28:15] Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Congratulations, Madam Mayor. Thank you for that appointment.
[2:28:21] Very good. Congratulations. And we, uh, we hold you to the fire. Absolutely. I know that Adrian
[2:28:26] Thank you.
[2:28:29] Commissioner Regalado has some remarks.
[2:28:30] Hold on.
[2:28:31] Future director, hold on.
[2:28:33] Don't go so far.
[2:28:34] Hold on.
[2:28:34] We got some more.
[2:28:35] He's a director.
[2:28:36] I guess now.
[2:28:37] Yes.
[2:28:37] So I would say, I don't know if to say congratulations or condolences.
[2:28:40] But I hope you stick around for our conversation over the port bond.
[2:28:44] It'll be interesting.
[2:28:45] Absolutely.
[2:28:47] Was it?
[2:28:49] Gonzales Cohen.
[2:28:51] So director, I want to congratulate you on taking this role.
[2:28:55] I think that it's clear that it's not going to be an easy role, but I have looked into some
[2:29:00] of the things that you did at Port Everglades and Port Everglades being one of those ports
[2:29:04] that is on our heels.
[2:29:06] It almost feels like the Miami Heat Geonestrade right now, and I'm glad to have you on this
[2:29:12] team.
[2:29:13] Thank you.
[2:29:13] It won't be easy.
[2:29:15] You're not going to get a lot of sleep, but I'm sure that you will be up to the challenge,
[2:29:19] and I look forward to working with you.
[2:29:21] Thank you, Director.
[2:29:22] Congratulations.
[2:29:22] Madam Mayor, item 2B2, you're good director. Thank you.
[2:29:27] Thank you.
[2:29:28] Item 2B2, your director of the Department of Cultural Affairs.
[2:29:31] Madam Mayor, we have Ashley K. Thomas,
[2:29:34] Aminative, with deep ties to the local community,
[2:29:37] a strong understanding of the county's culture infrastructure,
[2:29:40] and more than 25 years of experience across the arts,
[2:29:42] some profit leadership and public administration.
[2:29:46] Please intro our new director of cultural affairs.
[2:29:50] Thank you, Mr. Chair. Once again. Thank you for being prepped.
[2:29:55] Ashley Thomas is a local star. Homegrown.
[2:30:00] She has risen up through the arts world. She started her career in Liberty City, and she trained with Mr. Marshall at the African cultural heritage center, and where she learned dance.
[2:30:17] She went on to be a professional dancer. She went on to write her own productions. She traveled the world, performed in Los Angeles, produced in Australia, and came home to us here in Miami-Dade.
[2:30:28] So she has advanced through the ranks.
[2:30:31] She's actually produced productions at our own arched center.
[2:30:35] So she has a very diverse set of experiences in the arts and culture.
[2:30:39] And she has received rave reviews from her cultural arts partners.
[2:30:45] So we did a national search and it brought us right back home.
[2:30:49] I have to say that we discovered we have a star in our midst.
[2:30:53] And we have every confidence that under Ashley's leadership,
[2:30:57] that arts and culture will continue not only to thrive, but actually to even ascend to higher heights.
[2:31:03] So, very, very excited to introduce her to you, if you have not had a chance, just to underscore a couple of the things she's managed in her short tenure as interim director.
[2:31:13] Guess what? Coconut Grove Playhouse.
[2:31:16] We will have one.
[2:31:18] Thank you, Commissioner Regalado, and so she has been instrumental in that.
[2:31:23] She also has helped us to get through some difficult budget times here in the county with our cultural affairs.
[2:31:31] So I am very confident that because of her background, her character, her personality, her knowledge,
[2:31:39] she will be the leader that we all are striving for.
[2:31:44] And I'm delighted to present to you Ashley Thomas's new director of Cultural Affairs.
[2:31:48] Thank you.
[2:31:49] Congratulations.
[2:31:50] Welcome aboard.
[2:31:51] Thank you.
[2:31:57] All right, sure. Well, we love it for one more while out for the other, right?
[2:32:02] All right, Ashley, you're loved. You got much less time than the C-port director.
[2:32:07] He certainly went over his time and abused his time, but we're going to give it to him.
[2:32:13] Go ahead. Thank you so much, Chairman Rodriguez. And thank you, Madam Mayor,
[2:32:17] to the Board of County Commissioners, Deputy Mayor, and to the community for this opportunity.
[2:32:22] I am local homegrown, and I'll say that art is essential to the soul, and we continue to
[2:32:27] celebrate it, and we'll continue to represent the county to its full level.
[2:32:31] So thank you, thank you, thank you, and I'm honored to be here, and continue to work.
[2:32:36] That was brief.
[2:32:37] I like that.
[2:32:38] Congratulations.
[2:32:39] That's two round of applause.
[2:32:40] You see that?
[2:32:41] That's two round of applause.
[2:32:42] All right.
[2:32:45] Stop.
[2:32:46] You're talking about long meetings.
[2:32:47] I want to say that.
[2:32:48] That's the difference between C.C.
[2:32:50] from here. She knew to say something real quick and sit down. That's you know exactly what
[2:32:54] to do. Hey, hey, cut my man Jonathan some slack. I was given him a hard time because his wife
[2:32:58] is in the room. So I wanted to. Madam attorney, let's can we do the aviation items before we go
[2:33:06] into first readings. And then I understand we have some releases as well. Yes, Mr. Tri, I have one
[2:33:12] at least. Do you want to do that?
[2:33:14] Yes, so the release.
[2:33:16] I have eight G five was pulled and commission
[2:33:20] mainly on our business releasing her post.
[2:33:22] She was the only pulling commissioner.
[2:33:24] So eight G five commissioner Gonzalez moves
[2:33:27] A G five.
[2:33:28] Seconded by commissioner Gilbert.
[2:33:30] All in favor signify by say and I.
[2:33:33] All opposed names show it past.
[2:33:36] And then can you call up the aviation items?
[2:33:38] Yes, we have seven.
[2:33:39] the first one is item 8A1. Move it.
[2:33:43] It's been moved by Commissioner Conegan, seconded by Gilbert.
[2:33:46] All in favor, signify by say Nye.
[2:33:49] All opposed Nye.
[2:33:50] Eighteen.
[2:33:51] Eighteen, two?
[2:33:52] Move it.
[2:33:53] It's been moved by Conegan, seconded by Gilbert.
[2:33:55] All in favor, signify by say Nye.
[2:33:57] All opposed Nye.
[2:33:59] Eighteen, three.
[2:34:00] Move by Conegan, seconded by Gilbert.
[2:34:04] All in favor, aye.
[2:34:06] All opposed Nye, short passed.
[2:34:09] 8A4. It's been moved by Conegan, seconded by Gilbert. All in favor signify by say
[2:34:14] Nye. All opposed Nye. Short passed. 8A5. It's been moved by the same, seconded by
[2:34:21] the same. All in favor signify by say Nye. All the same eyes. It passes. 8P1. 8P1, moved by
[2:34:30] the same, seconded by the same. All in favor signify by say Nye. All opposed
[2:34:35] A, show it past, 8 p5, 8 p5 is moved by the same, so I can buy the same, all the
[2:34:42] papers in the 5 by say 9, I'll post an A, and was that the last one?
[2:34:49] Yes.
[2:34:49] All right, we got the aviation items out.
[2:34:52] Now Madam Attorney, can you please read the first reading items, including the 14s that
[2:34:58] are first readings as well?
[2:34:59] Yes.
[2:35:00] Mr. Chair, the first one is item 4A, ordinance relating to environmental protection and the incorporated
[2:35:04] and unincorporated areas, amending section 24-44 of the code, providing for approval of non-recorded
[2:35:11] institutional controls for no further action with conditions, site closures, in connection with contaminated
[2:35:16] site cleanups under certain circumstances, making technical and clarifying changes, providing
[2:35:21] sub-rebility inclusion, the code, and an effective date.
[2:35:24] Four B. Substitute is an ordinance relating to hospital mandatory payments,
[2:35:28] amending article four of chapter 18 of the code.
[2:35:31] Revising definitions, authorizing electronic signatures,
[2:35:33] and electronic delivery of documents,
[2:35:35] recognizing waivers granted by the Centers for Medicare
[2:35:38] Medicaid Services, expanding the scope of Medicaid
[2:35:41] supplemental payment programs, revising petition, review,
[2:35:44] and notice procedures, authorizing payment plans,
[2:35:47] authorizing suspension or termination
[2:35:48] and mandatory payments by resolution,
[2:35:50] Making technical and conforming changes and providing sub-ability inclusion in the code and an effective date and its supplement.
[2:35:56] Forcy is inordinates relating to the rapid transit system development zone,
[2:36:00] amending section 33C-2 of the code,
[2:36:02] amending the MetroMover subs under the rapid transit zone to add certain private property,
[2:36:07] providing sub-ability inclusion in the code and an effective date,
[2:36:10] for a decent ordinance changing the boundaries of the city of Florida City, Florida,
[2:36:13] and amending the city's municipal charter to provide for the annexation or certain lands pursuant to section 604B of the home
[2:36:19] charter and chapter 20 of the code of Miami-Dacani Florida relating to the unincorporated area
[2:36:25] referred to as area J with approximate outer boundaries on the north by Southwest 328 Street,
[2:36:30] Southwest 7 Street on the east by Southwest 1-2 Avenue on the south by Southwest 344 Street on
[2:36:36] the west by Southwest 199th Avenue, providing for reservation to the county of utility tax revenues,
[2:36:42] providing for county retention of residential garbage and refuse collection and disposal,
[2:36:46] Requiring payment of certain outstanding debt service attributable to the annexation area, providing for county retention of jurisdiction,
[2:36:52] over certain declarations of research or covenants in areas and facilities of county and white significance,
[2:36:57] providing for contingent effective day, providing for interdependency inclusion in the co-dance and effective date.
[2:37:02] For ease and ordinance creating the Miami-Date County Motor Safety and Bay Education Advisory Board,
[2:37:07] creating article 172 of chapter 2 of the code,
[2:37:10] providing for the composition and duties of the board and other related matters,
[2:37:13] providing severability, inclusion and the code, and an effective date.
[2:37:17] For F is in ordinance creating and establishing a special taxi into strict in the county,
[2:37:21] generally bound to the North by Southwest 236,
[2:37:23] screen on the east by Southwest 134 Avenue, on the south by C 102 canal, and on the west by C 102 canal,
[2:37:30] known and described as co-part West street lighting special taxi into strict identifying services
[2:37:34] to be provided authorizing and directing the mayor doesignee to provide for the installation of
[2:37:39] Three lights are proving a streetlining agreement with Florida Power and Light, and authorizing
[2:37:42] the mayor does need to execute the agreement, waiving provisions of resolution number R-1306,
[2:37:47] and providing first cushion from the code and an effective date.
[2:37:50] For G's and ordinance creating an establishing a special tax interest rates in the county
[2:37:53] generally bound to on the north by theoretical South West 3253, on the east by Southwest
[2:37:57] 1-84 Avenue on the South by South West 3-283, Lucy Street, and on the west by South West
[2:38:02] 1-97 Avenue Richard Road, known and described as harmony homes multi-purpose maintenance
[2:38:07] in three lighting special texts in district, identifying services to be provided authorizing and directing the mayor
[2:38:12] doesignee to cost to be maintained to operate a various public improvements and to provide for the installation of streetlights.
[2:38:17] Approving a street funding agreement, Florida Power and Light and authorizing the mayor doesignee to execute the agreement,
[2:38:23] whipping provisions of resolution number R1306, and providing for future from the code and to an effective day.
[2:38:28] For H is an ordinance relating to environmental protection,
[2:38:32] amending sections 24-5, 24-18, and 24-43 of the code,
[2:38:37] revising a definition authorizing administrative approval
[2:38:40] of emergency generators for health care facilities and food stores
[2:38:43] within a well-failed protection area,
[2:38:45] subject to certain conditions, providing
[2:38:47] severability, inclusion in the code and ineffective date,
[2:38:50] for eyes and ordinance relating to environmental remediation
[2:38:52] utility service fee, amending section 24-34 of the code,
[2:38:56] establishing loan program for purposes of environmental remediation that meets existing requirements,
[2:39:01] of Section 24-34 without changing send requirements, creating requirements, parameters, and procedures for
[2:39:06] said loan program, providing severability, inclusion, the code, and an effective date.
[2:39:11] 14A1 is an ordinance relating to the operational personal delivery services and mobile carriers
[2:39:15] in the incorporated and unincorporate areas of the county, creating chapter 31, article 8 of the code,
[2:39:20] providing regulations for the safe operation and personal delivery devices and mobile carriers,
[2:39:24] providing legislative intent, applicability, and definitions,
[2:39:27] demanding section, ACC, 10 of the code,
[2:39:30] providing for enforcement by civil penalty,
[2:39:31] providing several building inclusion, the code, and, in effect, of date.
[2:39:35] 1485 is the ordinance relating to county procurement,
[2:39:37] implementing and will are in part, multiple recommendations from the final report of the special task force,
[2:39:42] to reduce the inefficiencies in procurement relating to bid protests,
[2:39:45] amending section 2-8.4 of the code, relating to protest procedures,
[2:39:49] implementing order 3-21, directing the mayor doesn't need to create, maintain, and update
[2:39:54] a centralized automated online portal for use in the protest process, in coordination
[2:39:58] with the clerk of the board requiring a-
[2:40:00] Report, providing some ability inclusion in an exclusion from the code and an effective date. 1486 is an ordinance relating to county procurement, implementing and wholeness in part, multiple recommendations, from the final report of the special task force to reduce inefficiencies in procurement, amending section 2-11.1 of the code, relating to the kind of silence to permit closed, recorded, oral presentations, and competitive procurement, consistent with an exemption of Florida law, amending implementing orders, 3-34 and 3-39 establishing requirements for competitive selection committee appointment.
[2:40:30] Composition, scoring, training and conflict checks, creating large local employer category
[2:40:35] relating to evaluation scoring and acquisition of professional services agreements, limiting
[2:40:39] use of technology at oral presentations, and providing severability inclusion in an
[2:40:44] exclusion from the code and an effective date.
[2:40:47] 14.87 is in earnest relating to county procurement, implementing and will-earned
[2:40:50] part multiple recommendations from the final report of the special task force to reduce
[2:40:54] inefficiencies in procurement, relating to small business and local preference requirements,
[2:40:58] A Mending Section, $2-0.4, $0.01, $2-8, $1.1.11, $1.20, $2-8.11, $1.11, $1.11, and $2-8.5 of the code relating to small business
[2:41:12] architecture and engineering program requirements, small business enterprise service program
[2:41:15] requirements, small business enterprise goods program requirements, local business
[2:41:19] preference, locally headquarters business preference, local страх and eligibility and
[2:41:23] verification, small business remedies and related procurement policies, directing and
[2:41:27] the mayor to make conforming changes, to implementing orders and providing
[2:41:30] severability inclusion in an exclusion from the code and an effective date,
[2:41:34] and 14-8 is in order to relating to county procurement, implementing and
[2:41:37] holder and part multiple recommendations from the final report of the
[2:41:40] special task force to reduce and efficiency and procurement.
[2:41:43] Amending Section 2-11.1 of the code, relating to the
[2:41:47] conflict of interest and code of ethics ordinance, Section 2-8.8 of the code
[2:41:51] relating to fair subcontracting practices, Section 2-8.1.1.1.1 of the code
[2:41:56] relating to the Small Business Enterprise Services Program, Section 2-8.1.1.1.1.2 of the code relating to the Small Business Enterprise
[2:42:04] Goats Program, Section 2-8.1.1 of the code relating to Bids from later parties in bid collusion, and Section 10-3302.1 of the code relating to Bids,
[2:42:26] report. Those are your first reading items.
[2:42:29] All right, Madam.
[2:42:30] Attorney, we have some bifurcations, right?
[2:42:33] We have 4B and 14A5 through 14A8.
[2:42:39] And 14A1 as well.
[2:42:40] And 14A1 as well.
[2:42:43] Okay.
[2:42:43] Mr. Chair.
[2:42:44] Commissioner, who's that?
[2:42:46] Commissioner Regalado?
[2:42:47] Yeah, I pulled the procurement ones.
[2:42:51] I guess 14A5.
[2:42:54] 14A8.
[2:42:58] Okay, so 14, a 5 through 14, a 8 released and you need to pull something for E for D. All right, so show Commissioner Cohen Higgins pulling for D can have a motion on the rest of the first reading items.
[2:43:17] Mr. Chair.
[2:43:18] Yes.
[2:43:19] I believe.
[2:43:20] Commissioner.
[2:43:21] I had Commissioner Reglado noted as also pulling 14A1, it appears to you did not.
[2:43:27] So you may want to add that.
[2:43:28] Okay.
[2:43:28] So 14A1 is part of the motion now.
[2:43:31] All right.
[2:43:31] So Commissioner Gonzales moves the rest of the items.
[2:43:34] But for 4B and 4D, it's been seconded by Commissioner Lopez.
[2:43:39] Madam Clerk, please call the roll.
[2:43:42] Commissioner Bastien.
[2:43:43] Yes.
[2:43:44] Commissioner Bermuda.
[2:43:45] Yes.
[2:43:45] Commissioner Cohen Higgins, Senator Garcia, Commissioner Gilbert, Commissioner Gonzalez,
[2:43:53] Commissioner Lopez, Commissioner Miliano Orbis, Commissioner Regalado, Commissioner Steinberg,
[2:44:01] Vice Chairman McGee.
[2:44:04] Chairman Rodriguez.
[2:44:05] I vote yes.
[2:44:06] Motion passes unanimously.
[2:44:07] Okay, Senator Garcia, on 4B, you can't discuss it, so are you just trying to vote
[2:44:13] on it or. No, Mr. Chairman. I want to try to wave the rules to make sure this is placed on the
[2:44:20] you know the following agenda September 22nd. This is the hospital funding bill that we've done
[2:44:24] previous times or because of archa-constrained time. Yes. I'll make sure it's on the agenda for the next one.
[2:44:28] That's okay. So what meeting exactly did you want it to go on? The September 2nd meeting.
[2:44:34] September 2nd. Okay. And we can do 15 B1, which is a public hearing notification. That'll be great.
[2:44:39] okay so you'll move you'll move for B for the September 2nd meeting with all the proper
[2:44:44] notices madam attorney. Mr. Chair we can do that motion separate as a procedural motion
[2:44:49] for being needs to be approved first. Okay so then we can do those motion separate. Senator Garcia moves
[2:44:55] for B. Seconded by Regalado. Clerk please call the roll.
[2:45:00] It's for a peace substitute or a peace substitute, please call the roll.
[2:45:03] Commissioner Bramures? Yes. Commissioner Coen Higgins, for another Garcia, Commissioner Gilbert,
[2:45:10] Commissioner Gonzalez, Commissioner Lopez, Commissioner Milian Norbes, Commissioner Regalado, Commissioner
[2:45:18] Steinberg, Commissioner Bastien, Vice Chairman McGee, Chairman Rodriguez, motion passes unanimously.
[2:45:25] Senator, I understand the September meeting, the first one is September 1st.
[2:45:30] So you want to make a motion at this time to wave the rules, or what not, and so move to
[2:45:37] September 1st meeting.
[2:45:38] It's been moved by Senator Garcia.
[2:45:40] We've got to go ahead.
[2:45:41] Jerry?
[2:45:42] And we go ahead and read that motion.
[2:45:45] Go ahead.
[2:45:46] Senator Garcia moves to, once it's been the rules, the boards rules the procedure in a way
[2:45:50] committee review as to item 4B substitute to amend item 15B1 to set public hearing and second
[2:45:56] reading on item 4B substitute at the September 1, 2026 Board County Commissioners meeting.
[2:46:02] Three direct the agenda coordinator set of appropriate notices and four direct the
[2:46:05] click of the board to publish all necessary notices relating to this item.
[2:46:08] We have a motion by Senator Garcia, seconded by Commissioner Lopez, all in favor of the
[2:46:12] motion signify by say aye.
[2:46:14] All opposed nay.
[2:46:15] Sure, it passed, Eddie, can you read my motion along the same lines as well?
[2:46:20] The fourth one is an appointment.
[2:46:21] Chairman Rodriguez moves to, once to spend the board's rules of procedure and wave committee review,
[2:46:25] as to items 1485, 1486, 1487 and 1488, to amend item 15b1 to schedule the public hearing,
[2:46:33] and second reading for these items at the September 1st,
[2:46:36] 2026 board meeting, and three, direct the clerk of the board to publish on a
[2:46:39] necessary notices where they'd into these items.
[2:46:41] All right.
[2:46:42] Show it moved by Commissioner Conegan, seconded by Commissioner Steinberg, all in favor
[2:46:47] signify by say Nye, all opposed nay, all right, Commissioner McGee moves for D, seconded
[2:46:57] by Commissioner Gilbert, and I know you're by-for-cated, but you can't speak on it, so
[2:47:06] clerk, please call the roll.
[2:47:08] Commissioner Cohen Higgins? No.
[2:47:12] Senator Garcia.
[2:47:14] Commissioner Gilbert?
[2:47:17] I'm sorry.
[2:47:19] Commissioner Gonzalez?
[2:47:22] Four.
[2:47:23] Commissioner Lopez?
[2:47:25] Commissioner Mediana Orbes?
[2:47:28] Commissioner Regalado?
[2:47:29] Yes.
[2:47:29] Commissioner Steinberg?
[2:47:31] Commissioner Bastien?
[2:47:33] Commissioner Bermutis?
[2:47:34] Yes.
[2:47:35] Vice Chairman McGee?
[2:47:36] Yes.
[2:47:38] Chairman Rodriguez?
[2:47:38] I vote yes. Motion passes 11 to one. All right. Thank you very much that concludes our first reading items
[2:47:46] Madam attorney
[2:47:50] I will recognize
[2:47:54] first
[2:47:55] I'll go I'm going to go ahead and recognize commissioner Gilbert for a motion
[2:48:00] I was going to start somewhere else but we'll start there. Commissioner Gilbert you recognize to make a motion
[2:48:05] and thank you, Mr. Chairman, if the attorneys can come forward, I have a motion to reconsider
[2:48:12] only port item that we decided last meeting. There are some technical changes that came
[2:48:19] to light after we engage the consultant, the expert that we need to make, and so I'm going
[2:48:24] to make the motion to reconsider. I'll give it to the attorneys to read.
[2:48:35] Commissioner
[2:48:35] and move to reconsider seconded by Commissioner Regalado.
[2:48:40] Oh, seconded by Commissioner Coyne Higgins.
[2:48:42] I just heard, I just heard, I was a little congested.
[2:48:45] They don't have to be like.
[2:48:47] I thought it was a good day, they don't have to be like that.
[2:48:49] No, no, no, not today.
[2:48:51] I mean, not today, say, we got a motion.
[2:48:53] We have a second by Commissioner Coyne Higgins.
[2:48:55] All in favor of the reconsideration signify by say,
[2:48:57] and I, all opposed, nay, short reconsidered.
[2:49:00] Thank you.
[2:49:00] Now that it's before us, I've moved the item as amended.
[2:49:03] and we have some technical amendments.
[2:49:05] I think it's been filed with the clerk.
[2:49:07] Attorney's going to read the amendment.
[2:49:09] Mr. Chair, are we going to have it?
[2:49:11] We're going to read it to us.
[2:49:12] Mr. Chair, are you going to wait till you recognize?
[2:49:14] Commissioner Regala?
[2:49:15] Yeah. I just asked them to read it.
[2:49:16] I literally said that before you.
[2:49:18] Still wanted to hear yourself say it on the microphone.
[2:49:22] All right.
[2:49:22] Go ahead if you're going to read the amendment.
[2:49:25] Commissioner Gilbert moves to amend legislator number 2610762.
[2:49:29] One replace exhibits A and B with new exhibits A and B that have been filed with the clerk.
[2:49:32] to make a corresponding amendment to the second resettle on page mdc012 to reference the revised exhibits A and B.
[2:49:38] Three incorporate the amendments previously approved regarding outside council and four authorized
[2:49:42] the mayor mayors to correct skriveners errors in the legal descriptions and sketches provided that no such corrections
[2:49:47] all through the property interest to be acquired.
[2:49:50] All right.
[2:49:50] We have a motion.
[2:49:51] The amendment.
[2:49:52] We have a second.
[2:49:53] Thank you.
[2:49:54] Thank you.
[2:49:57] Just for the record.
[2:49:58] I know that last time this item.
[2:50:00] The reason it was before us is because we were amending the legal description. So now we are amending the legal description. Again, is this making it smaller or bigger because we have a few easements on here. There's a different description. But does this increase the footprint that we had from the prior item or decrease it?
[2:50:23] The attorneys are recognized to answer the question. It's the same easement.
[2:50:28] So it's just ownership?
[2:50:30] No, there's a discrepancy between the easement that should be clarified for our benefit
[2:50:40] really during the litigation, but the intention is not to change the easement that's been
[2:50:44] used.
[2:50:44] So it's the same as what's been used all along.
[2:50:48] So in terms of the size of the parcel, we're still staying within the existing footprint
[2:50:55] of what we need for the fuel facility which was the prior amendment that is correct thank you
[2:51:00] all right with that all in favor of the motion signify by say and I I'll oppose me
[2:51:07] you'll know so that item pass with two no votes all right now I will take up 70 the
[2:51:21] teletractor application.
[2:51:24] Madam attorney, let's go ahead and take that item.
[2:51:30] Yes, Mr. Chair, I need to read this title one second.
[2:51:33] Yep, you got your time.
[2:51:38] 70s and ordinance relating to Miami-Daconian Comprehensive
[2:51:41] Development Master Plan providing
[2:51:43] disposition of application number CDMP-202313
[2:51:46] located west of northwest 137 in Avenue.
[2:51:50] And so SR-836 interchange and north side
[2:51:52] of theoretical north west six street file
[2:51:54] by Kelly Trichor Company in the May 2023 cycle to amend the county's comprehensive
[2:51:59] development master plan, providing suburbility, exclusion from the code, and an effective
[2:52:03] date.
[2:52:06] All right.
[2:52:06] And we have, was that the supplement and second supplement as well?
[2:52:10] That's, with its three supplements.
[2:52:13] And, all right.
[2:52:15] So I have the item before us, public hearing has been had on this item already.
[2:52:20] Do I have a motion?
[2:52:21] I have a motion.
[2:52:22] Commissioner Bermutis moves the item, seconded by Commissioner Gonzales. Any discussion on it?
[2:52:28] Yes. Commissioner Regalado, you recognized.
[2:52:30] Thank you. I just want to walk through the changes. I know that we've discussed this item a lot
[2:52:36] and I don't want to belabor the point, but I think that the changes that we've made to date
[2:52:41] have really changed dramatically. This item and I hope that the board will consider
[2:52:48] these requirements in the future, because I think that it's a way for us to change the conversation in terms of preservation.
[2:52:58] So first and foremost, obviously, I filed the item to change the tax amendment.
[2:53:03] I think most of us were concerned that the tax amendment was going to be abused.
[2:53:08] So I hope that this is the last one that we see that chooses that vehicle without the parameters.
[2:53:13] That being said, as part of this application, we've added a lot of those parameters, even though
[2:53:19] the tax amendment did not require them.
[2:53:23] And I want to thank the applicant for walking through that with us.
[2:53:27] For those of you who had the opportunity to read the final memo by staff, we do have staff
[2:53:34] in favor of a lot of the changes that we've made.
[2:53:38] So first and foremost, I think one of the lessons learned from this application is
[2:53:43] is that land that is coveted can later many years later after it is preserved, there could
[2:53:51] be a request to remove that coveted and one of the things that this new application is
[2:53:56] doing is we're asking for ownership by the county specifically for those properties and I
[2:54:05] think that that is the best path forward. I think if we truly believe that these lands are important,
[2:54:10] We're asking a developer to preserve and restore them.
[2:54:15] We should have ownership and one of the things that this application does is not only grant ownership
[2:54:21] to the county should the county want it because there could be a world in which the county does not want the preserve land.
[2:54:28] But it also has a maintenance fee baked into the agreement.
[2:54:35] So, if we could just have a clarification from the applicant as to how that would work because as many of you know our EO program is desperately underfunded, this would then go under the EO portfolio and we want to make sure that EO has the ability to maintain it properly.
[2:54:55] It's short commissioner through the chair.
[2:55:00] If I may, so I just wanted to clarify, so we have two options. We can maintain it ourselves to alleviate some of that burden on eel. Otherwise, we would provide some sort of funding mechanism to make sure that this is taking care of perpetually, but the applicant is open to doing that maintenance themselves on that land.
[2:55:21] I understand, and that's if the county rejects ownership, right?
[2:55:25] So we're saying the application now says that if the county has the ability to reject
[2:55:30] ownership, if the county decides not to do it, then you have the obligation to preserve
[2:55:36] it, but I really want the county to own it.
[2:55:38] I think that that's the best path forward for us on page 12 of the declaration of restrictions.
[2:55:45] And for those who are watching, I just want to say this information is in the actual
[2:55:52] Covenant. It's on page 13. But on page 12, number 7, for the preservation area. So we're
[2:56:02] talking about two different, two different parcels, right? We're talking about the existing
[2:56:07] preservation area. And number 7 says, if the owner wishes to convey the preservation area to
[2:56:14] county, the owner shall convey the preservation area at no cost of the county and provide a
[2:56:18] fund the mechanism that fully funds the long-term maintenance of the preservation area, correct?
[2:56:24] That's what you have on 12. That is correct. Okay. I would like it to be the inverse just as it is
[2:56:32] in the next page. The next page has the owner shall dedicate and convey these additional off-site
[2:56:38] wetland preservation areas to Miami-Date County's EO program at no cost to Miami-Date County
[2:56:43] and in natural state free of exotic vegetation. So in seven, I would like the same. I
[2:56:50] don't want the owner to decide if they're going to give the preservation areas to EO. I want
[2:56:54] EO to have the right of first refusal. If I think EO wants them, if EO doesn't want them, then the
[2:57:00] owner would then maintain them and preserve them. So can we have that same language that we have
[2:57:06] page 13 on page 12. Yes, that's fine. Wonderful. Thank you. On page 14, we also added
[2:57:15] if there is a need for a pump station that is required for water and sewer agreement on the
[2:57:21] requested property, the owner of shall install a public sanitary sewer pump station at the owner's
[2:57:26] expense to provide service to the proposed development subject to any apical RER and to session.
[2:57:32] So we have the pump station. Should we need it later?
[2:57:38] The one issue that's on here that's not on here that I think is important. Well, let me get to the another easy one on page 16 11 community education and training program.
[2:57:50] I want to thank you. It's very robust. It reflects a lot of the meetings that we had in terms of how we want to use this site for economic development specifically for training.
[2:57:59] But I take issue with one word in the third sentence we say with the first owner agrees to create and are participate in a educational and training program available to post secondary and high school students in Miami D County, which may include
[2:58:12] But shall not be limited to neurodivergent individuals can we make that may or must because that's what we talked about.
[2:58:19] Okay. Thank you.
[2:58:21] Now going back to
[2:58:28] Page 15
[2:58:32] One of the reasons that this application is so different from everything else that this board
[2:58:37] has seen is because of Kelly's involvement in our emergency response at all levels.
[2:58:44] And in page 15, paragraph 10, we speak about the county emergency management.
[2:58:58] Is it possible to give Miami-Dade County government a priority in terms of access to
[2:59:08] Kelly equipment should there be an emergency?
[2:59:11] Because I know you guys get a draw from everyone.
[2:59:14] Is that something that we can bacon?
[2:59:17] I know I would say it would be as long as we're not violating existing contracts.
[2:59:23] That's okay.
[2:59:24] And this is important folks because whenever we have a hurricane or anything, everyone draws, we know what's happen with the last few storms, we're going to be talking about trash and trash pick up later.
[2:59:33] But I want our counties response teams to have first priority when it comes to Kelly and access to the infrastructure that is so necessary during emergency response.
[2:59:46] The Wetland Mitigation Program, I think, is very good.
[2:59:51] I really want to thank you all for spending the time with us to work through how to include
[2:59:59] the W-
[3:00:00] I had a while left corridor. I really believe that this is something that others should consider when we look at these types of plans.
[3:00:12] And then finally, I know we had some back and forth, and I want to thank staff for also requiring it. We're not double dipping here on mitigation, right? So it's separate in a part. You're going to use other land for your storm water.
[3:00:30] to the board in terms of the preservation area and the mitigation that we're requiring.
[3:00:38] I want to read a part to you because it was important when we were negotiating it.
[3:00:43] And I think it's also something that we should consider moving forward when we talk about replicating these requirements and other applications on
[3:01:03] page 13.
[3:01:10] The owners shall dedicate and convey these additional off-site wetlands preservation areas to
[3:01:14] Miami-D County EO program and no cost to Miami-D County and the natural state or free and
[3:01:18] exotic vegetation.
[3:01:19] We talked about that.
[3:01:21] But this is the part that I think is important.
[3:01:22] The owner agrees to provide a funding mechanism.
[3:01:29] Everybody okay over here?
[3:01:31] The owner agrees to provide a funding mechanism that fully funds the maintenance of the off-site
[3:01:36] wetland preservation areas and perpetuity and any other obligation of such off-site wetland
[3:01:41] preservation area should the county and its discretion
[3:01:44] alike not to accept such that occasion the owner shall record a
[3:01:47] restrictive covenant and the other thing that was required
[3:01:51] here that we talked about I think it was in the second time
[3:01:54] this application came to us is that the mitigation weather
[3:01:58] provided in land to the county or by mitigation credits will be
[3:02:02] in Miami County. This is not mitigation land that's going to occur
[3:02:06] in Orlando or North Florida. This is the first time that we're
[3:02:10] everything in Miami-Dade County.
[3:02:13] So to my colleagues, this is a very different application
[3:02:17] from what was presented to us.
[3:02:18] I think that Kelly is unique.
[3:02:21] I think it's a tax amendment.
[3:02:23] I think we've cleared up the issues of a tax amendment.
[3:02:26] We're not moving the line.
[3:02:27] Currently, this land has been, as has been mentioned,
[3:02:32] what is preserved, we're preserving.
[3:02:34] But there's an entire area out there that has not been restored
[3:02:37] is not being preserved and will be preserved because of this. This now, when we own it, there's
[3:02:44] a dramatic change in our ability to actually do BCCR. So we talk a lot about BCCR, but we don't
[3:02:49] do BCCR as, as the owner of these properties now, the county can go to the federal government
[3:02:56] and ask to start working on this basin.
[3:03:01] So with that, I would like to move as amended.
[3:03:05] All right. We have a, well, we had a motion, right, to move it by Bermuda, seconded by
[3:03:16] gober, and now there's an amendment. They made amendments, so just as long as the motion says as amended.
[3:03:22] Okay, so the motion is as amended. Commissioner Bermuda is your good with that. Yep.
[3:03:26] All right, so go ahead, Abby.
[3:03:32] Mr. Chair, if I can just confirm the original motion, it would be
[3:03:36] a motion to adopt per staff recommendation with the various changes that have been outlined
[3:03:42] in staff's memorandums.
[3:03:45] With the acceptance of the proper covenant and with the ten calendar days, the ten-day
[3:03:54] condition to provide an executed sufficient covenant of a unit of title.
[3:03:59] So, then my understanding is there's, well, I would just, there were amendments in addition to that.
[3:04:10] Okay.
[3:04:10] All right. So, are we good?
[3:04:13] I'm sorry, Abby.
[3:04:14] Your lead attorney is whispering in my ear, so.
[3:04:18] Did you say something that needed my attention?
[3:04:21] I apologize.
[3:04:22] No, Mr. Chair, I was just restating the motion for the record.
[3:04:25] All right.
[3:04:25] All right, so that said, I have no further discussion on the item.
[3:04:30] It is moved as amended with all the different amendments and motions and all the good stuff.
[3:04:38] We have a second by Commissioner Gilbert.
[3:04:41] Commissioner Fimer, are you wanting to be recognized?
[3:04:44] Briefly, while I appreciate the amendments, I will remain a note.
[3:04:47] Thank you.
[3:04:49] All right,
[3:04:52] so clerk, let's call the roll.
[3:04:55] Hold on, hold on.
[3:04:56] just so we can have a clarification of the of the acreage.
[3:05:00] That the county could potentially own just so we have it on the record.
[3:05:08] That's to the applicant.
[3:05:13] So for the the acreage, that's in the paragraph one second, that's in paragraph five, the off-site
[3:05:24] preservationary is the total at least 20 acres okay and then mitigation and then
[3:05:32] mitigation and mitigation we don't know we do not know at this point yes thank
[3:05:37] you all right so Madam Attorney because I'm just doing a I'm just doing a
[3:05:46] a chorom count yeah of sorts I don't think we have the the sufficient members in the
[3:05:55] to take a vote based on requirements.
[3:05:58] I know that we need nine votes for this in general.
[3:06:02] And I can see it based on the history of this.
[3:06:05] And we've said, some have already said.
[3:06:08] So can I, I don't know, formally, officially say table.
[3:06:13] But can I move on to the rest of the agenda
[3:06:14] and then come back to this at a later time?
[3:06:17] Yeah.
[3:06:18] Yes.
[3:06:19] And then my question to you is because we do have a very long agenda
[3:06:22] and I know some folks do need to leave.
[3:06:24] If we don't get to this item today, does it automatically roll over to my next agenda?
[3:06:35] Yes, that's okay. I want to try to get it to today, but just in case we're in a time.
[3:06:40] So, all right.
[3:06:41] That said, I know that we had a lot of good conversation.
[3:06:43] Commissioner Regalado.
[3:06:45] Thank you for all of that. The motion still stand and all of that.
[3:06:47] But we're going to move on to the next to the rest of our agenda just because I don't have enough members.
[3:06:54] I can see it.
[3:06:54] Let's chime in.
[3:06:55] Commissioner Gilberl, may you recognize.
[3:06:57] I'd like to commend Commissioner Regalado on the works you put on this.
[3:07:02] That's. Thank you very much.
[3:07:03] Oh, that's okay.
[3:07:05] Is that a new congressman type of behavior?
[3:07:09] Sure is not.
[3:07:10] No, no. Not at all.
[3:07:12] No. He knows that if he doesn't thank me, I get upset later.
[3:07:16] So.
[3:07:17] So you?
[3:07:18] How's the reinforcements?
[3:07:19] Got upset now.
[3:07:19] I got upset later.
[3:07:20] I love it.
[3:07:21] All right.
[3:07:22] Let's move into public hearing
[3:07:24] Madam Attorney or Mr. Attorney, if you can read all of the public hearing items, and once
[3:07:30] you do, I'll go ahead and open up public hearing for the public.
[3:07:37] Yes, Mr. Chair.
[3:07:37] 5A is a resolution renaming the Arcola Lakes Branch Library, the Doran D. Roll Library and
[3:07:43] its supplement.
[3:07:45] 5B and C. were deferred.
[3:07:47] 5D is a ordinance relating to operation and micro mobility devices, electric bicycles,
[3:07:52] and motorized scooters in the incorporated and incorporated areas of the county recreating
[3:07:56] Section 2-98.3 of the code providing regulations for operation or micro mobility devices,
[3:08:03] electric bicycles and motorized scooters on rights of way, providing for legislative
[3:08:06] intent, applicability and definitions, providing mechanism for municipal enforcement
[3:08:10] of regulations, providing for enforcement by civil penalty, providing sub-rebility, inclusion
[3:08:15] in the code, and an effective date.
[3:08:17] And it's supplement, 5E is an ordinance authorizing issuance of not to exceed $350 million
[3:08:22] my Midec County floor to transit system sales certex revenue bonds, pursuant to section 208
[3:08:28] ordinance number 0.548 is amended for paying costs of certain transportation and transit projects
[3:08:33] providing that details terms, and other matters relating to such bonds including without
[3:08:37] limitation the ability to issue such bonds as draw down bonds, under a draw down bond program
[3:08:42] be determined in subsequent resolutions, authorizing undertaken of transit and transportation projects
[3:08:47] and people's transportation plan, authorizing and directing county officers and agents to take
[3:08:51] elections necessary to effectuate the purposes of this ordinance and ordinance number 0 548
[3:08:57] as amended and providing some ability exclusion from the code and an effective date.
[3:09:01] 5F is an ordinance authorizing the issuance of MIMI Dick County capital asset acquisition
[3:09:05] special obligation bonds from time to time and one of more series in an aggregate principle
[3:09:09] amount, not to exceed $380 million for purpose of acquiring, constructing, improving, renovating,
[3:09:15] and or equipping certain capital assets and our projects providing that details of said bonds
[3:09:19] determined and one of more serious resolutions providing for
[3:09:22] some ability exclusion from the code and an effective date.
[3:09:24] 5G is the resolution authorizing issuance of my
[3:09:26] Midday County Florida, John obligation bonds,
[3:09:28] building better communities in one of more
[3:09:30] series.
[3:09:30] In principle, I'm not to exceed $350 million.
[3:09:33] For purpose of paying all our portion of
[3:09:35] certain approved capital project costs and paying
[3:09:37] cost of issuing bonds, pursuance of certain
[3:09:39] terms and conditions, finding necessity for an
[3:09:41] authorizing negotiated sales such funds.
[3:09:43] 5G is the resolution authorizing issuance of
[3:09:45] to exceed $175 million of my major county florida public facilities revenue bonds, jacks and
[3:09:51] health system in one or more series for paying cost of certain projects for jacks and health
[3:09:54] system funding debt service reserve fund if necessary paying cost of insurance, authorizing
[3:09:58] public sale of bonds.
[3:10:00] I competitive bid by Vice-Resp. Resolution authorizing issuance of not to exceed $700 million, agrega principal
[3:10:05] amount of my meeting county floor to see poor revenue and refunding bonds in one of more
[3:10:10] series on a senior basis to pay cost of certain additional improvements and capital expenditures
[3:10:15] and to refund all the reports of commercial paper notes. 5J is a resolution authorizing issuance
[3:10:22] of capital asset acquisition, special obligation bond series, 2020-6A. In agrega principal amount on
[3:10:27] exceed $480 million to fund certain capital assets and or projects.
[3:10:31] Providing that bond shall be payable solely from legally available non-advalorant revenues
[3:10:35] of the county covenants to budget and appropriate annually.
[3:10:39] 5L is the ordinance approving adopting and ratifying non-advalorant assessment rules, rates,
[3:10:44] and assessments.
[3:10:46] For 219 certain street lighting special taxing districts in Miami,
[3:10:49] Dake County, Florida.
[3:10:51] For the fiscal year commencing October 1, 26, and ending September 30, 27, and providing
[3:10:56] availability, excuse you from the code, and some effective date.
[3:10:59] 5M is an ordinance granting petition of DR Horton Inc.
[3:11:02] For establishment of a community development district generally bound to the North by
[3:11:05] Canal 103 South on the east by Southwest 167 Avenue, Tennessee Road, Southeast 12 Avenue
[3:11:11] on the South by Southwest 3283, Lucy Street, Southeast 8 Street, and on the west by Southwest 172
[3:11:17] Avenue, McMinn Road, Southeast 6 Avenue.
[3:11:20] Creating an establishing, San Daryl Landing Community Development District, providing for
[3:11:24] and duties, providing description and boundaries, providing initial members of Board of Supervisors
[3:11:28] accepting proper declaration of restrictive governance, providing several ability, exclusion
[3:11:33] from the code, and an effective date, and its supplement.
[3:11:36] 5N is in order to prove adopting a ratifying non-advalorment assessment role rates and assessments
[3:11:40] for the solid-based collection service area of Miami-Date County Florida, commencing our
[3:11:44] September 1, 2026, providing several ability, exclusion from the code, and an effective
[3:11:48] date.
[3:11:49] 5O is a resolution of proving the waiver of Plata of 6301 Southwest 27th Street LLC,
[3:11:55] 5P is a resolution of proving the plot of my academy, 5P is a resolution of proving the
[3:11:58] plot of QRT Northwest residences filed by Miami-Date County, 5R is a resolution
[3:12:03] of proving the plot of Verdana East, 5S is a resolution of proving the waiver of Plata of A2's
[3:12:10] the construction and remodel LLC, 5P is a resolution of proving the waiver of Plata of Habitat
[3:12:15] for Humanity of Greater Miami Inc.
[3:12:17] Five years of resolution proving the waiver of plat of 821-077-63 place, LLC.
[3:12:23] Five years of resolution approving issuance by Arizona industrial development authority of
[3:12:27] its revenue bonds in one or more series in an amount not to exceed $40 million dollars for
[3:12:31] the benefit of true North Classical Academy Inc.
[3:12:34] Those are your public hearing items, and at the appropriate time I do have some requests
[3:12:38] to buy for Kate.
[3:12:40] Thank you to the attorney at this time, we're going to open public hearing on all five items
[3:12:44] and our agenda, do we night? If you can please approach,
[3:12:47] tangible or door set, please approach,
[3:12:49] carnal white, please approach. Sophia,
[3:12:52] Amaya, please approach. I don't see anyone approaching,
[3:12:57] public hearing is now open on our five
[3:12:59] numbered items on our agenda.
[3:13:06] To the clerk, we have a quasi-judicial item,
[3:13:09] 5T, we have a speaker at the appropriate time.
[3:13:12] Please swear in, Miss Sophia, Amaya.
[3:13:22] It's Sophia Amaya, President.
[3:13:28] Don't see Sophia Amaya.
[3:13:30] We'll see if she joins us during the public hearing.
[3:13:32] To those names that I've called, you can approach the well.
[3:13:35] You'll have one minute.
[3:13:36] Please give us your name and your address.
[3:13:40] Good morning, Commission.
[3:13:42] My name is Tangela Dorset.
[3:13:45] 3249 Northwest 43rd Terrace.
[3:13:48] Miami 33142.
[3:13:50] Good morning.
[3:13:51] Again, I'm the daughter of Commissioner,
[3:13:53] during the World of the Late Commissioner.
[3:13:57] On behalf of the entire role family, my sister with here,
[3:14:02] he vet and my brother Damon, he couldn't make it.
[3:14:04] We are extremely thankful and honored.
[3:14:09] My dad enjoyed his tenure of service for the community.
[3:14:13] He was a servant.
[3:14:15] He was a leader and he was passionate about his work.
[3:14:19] We look forward to the dedication of the ceremony of the library.
[3:14:22] And in the words of the late commissioner role, commission, you done good.
[3:14:28] Good.
[3:14:29] You're done good.
[3:14:37] My name is Carnell.
[3:14:39] A white vote of 350 North West 33rd Avenue.
[3:14:42] My name is Florida.
[3:14:44] And I am so pleased and proud to be able to stand here today.
[3:14:49] And seeing from a lot of Doddy and everybody that commissioner role was my dear friend.
[3:14:58] My brother, my friend.
[3:15:00] A colleague, we go back to the first time I saw him in 1966 on Florida and M. University's campus.
[3:15:08] I appreciate you and thank you for doing this for honoring an honorable man. Commissioner, bastion, my commissioner, have you know, I'm yours.
[3:15:26] You are my commissioner, position that he served in for many years, and I thank you for
[3:15:34] sponsoring this.
[3:15:35] I watch you from afar and sometimes close it and you know when you would back doing things
[3:15:40] for the most vulnerable of our citizenry, thank you so very much.
[3:15:46] Thank you, Mr. White.
[3:15:46] Thank you so much.
[3:15:47] Mr. Dewey, you're a recognized.
[3:15:49] Thank you.
[3:15:50] Good morning, do we night, office of the day to 15 North Miami Avenue?
[3:15:57] I am grateful to be here today to celebrate, and we thank Commissioner Bastion and the
[3:16:02] coastsponsors for honoring Commissioner Doran Role.
[3:16:08] It takes me back to when the GOB bond was passed, and he was successful in lobbying the commission
[3:16:17] to make this a priority, the Arcola Lake Library and the police station because people in
[3:16:24] that community had a digital divide. They didn't have Wi-Fi et cetera. Those poor kids
[3:16:29] were trying to go to school and didn't have access. Commissioner Roe pushed this library
[3:16:35] and that police station was brought so much safety to that community. And a lot of commissioners
[3:16:41] was a little mad because he got his done first. And so we are grateful that you would
[3:16:48] and remember the good work that he did. Thank you.
[3:16:52] Thank you, Mr. Knight.
[3:16:54] Last call for Miss Sophia.
[3:16:56] A Maya. Last call for Miss Sophia.
[3:16:58] A Maya. Public hearing is now close to the attorneys.
[3:17:01] What items are being bifurcated?
[3:17:05] Yes, we have commissioner.
[3:17:07] We have commissioner.
[3:17:09] I'm five A commissioner.
[3:17:11] Regalotto is bifurcating five F five G and five H.
[3:17:15] And I have on 5L, Commissioner Bermuda, and Commissioner Million Orbis, 5O, Commissioner Million Orbis, and Senator Garcia, and 5U, Senator Garcia.
[3:17:28] And I also have some requests to co-sponsor 5A from Commissioner Gilbert and Hardenment.
[3:17:36] I'll interesting a motion on the five that we're not bifurcated. Yes, commissioner.
[3:17:41] I'd also like to add five D for a quick friendly amendment thinking.
[3:17:47] Five D is also bifurcated. A motion on the items not bifurcated. It's been moved.
[3:17:51] It's been moved. It's been seconded. Clerk, please call the roll.
[3:17:59] Senator Garcia? Aye. Commissioner Gilbert?
[3:18:02] I vote yes.
[3:18:04] Commissioner Gonzalez.
[3:18:07] Commissioner Lopez.
[3:18:10] Commissioner Milian Orbus.
[3:18:13] Commissioner Regalado.
[3:18:15] Commissioner Steinberg.
[3:18:18] Commissioner Bastien.
[3:18:20] Yes.
[3:18:20] Commissioner Bermuda's.
[3:18:23] Commissioner Cohen Higgins.
[3:18:25] Four.
[3:18:26] Vice Chairman McGee.
[3:18:28] Yes.
[3:18:29] Chairman Rodriguez.
[3:18:30] I vote yes.
[3:18:31] Commission passes unanimously.
[3:18:32] All right, Madam Attorney on the bifurcated items is a 5A the first one. Yes. All right, so let's bifurcated by Bermuda's.
[3:18:44] And Commissioner Bastia and I think it was bifurcating 5A.
[3:18:49] Okay, Commissioner Bastia and you're recognized.
[3:18:52] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[3:18:55] As most of you know,
[3:18:58] The late Commissioner Luan Roe was a Commissioner for District 2 for 12 long years.
[3:19:07] Like myself, he was a mental health professional and a social worker.
[3:19:12] So even before he was elected to the Miami-Dade County Commission, he's been providing
[3:19:19] in life-line, life-saving services to his community, through the organizations that
[3:19:29] provide, provided wraparound services to the residents of District 2.
[3:19:34] He served for 12 years as I indicated, and then as a result of his legacy, the no-alcoholic
[3:19:42] branch library was approved in 2008.
[3:19:47] So, I'm honored to really support this legislation and I pull the item for very brief amendment to add the word branch to the name in order for the item to.
[3:20:00] Be consistent with the other libraries in the district. So, please read the motion.
[3:20:07] Commissioner Bassian moves to amend item 5A to insert the word branch and the proposed renaming
[3:20:12] of the Acrola Lake's branch library so that the new library name would be the door and
[3:20:16] de-roll branch library instead of the door and de-roll library.
[3:20:19] Thank you. And I'd like to share that the families here. You heard them. Commissioner
[3:20:27] The role was cherished by many members, so I hope that you support this and thank you for
[3:20:31] the Tsukus Fundsuit.
[3:20:34] It's a chair.
[3:20:34] I'll second it.
[3:20:36] All right.
[3:20:36] It's been moved.
[3:20:37] It's been seconded by Commissioner Bermuda.
[3:20:38] Vice Chairman, you're recognized.
[3:20:40] Oh.
[3:20:40] Go ahead, Bermuda.
[3:20:41] Yeah.
[3:20:41] I just wanted to briefly say, because the family is here from District 12 and the city of
[3:20:45] Dorada, thank I think this is a great day.
[3:20:50] Commissioner Roll was always very respectful to me when I was the founding mayor of Dorada.
[3:20:53] The governor was always very kind to what became the city of Darrell, was always very caring and listening to an argument.
[3:21:04] So I'm very supportive of this item, and it's well deserved.
[3:21:12] Vice Chairman.
[3:21:13] Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I too echo the sentiments that I've heard from my colleagues.
[3:21:18] I also would like to be listed as a co-sponsor.
[3:21:21] And thoroughly let me just simply say this to the family.
[3:21:24] Thank you for loaning to this great county, the guv, it means a lot, he's still at for great things for many of us, and the idea that we now will have his name on top of the library, right?
[3:21:38] Everyone can see that we remind each and every last one of us that knowledge and opportunity are the two tittacles that the guv actually provided for each and every last one of us,
[3:21:49] who came through this community looking for understanding
[3:21:54] and appreciation and things of that nature.
[3:21:56] So to commission a bastion, hopefully we get that invitation
[3:22:02] to this ribbon cut, definitely want to be there.
[3:22:06] And just thank you so much for leading the charge
[3:22:07] on behalf of this great man and this great family.
[3:22:11] Thank you, Vice Chair.
[3:22:12] And as I recognize Commissioner, is that, are you trying to speak?
[3:22:17] I just keep in mind that y'all should learn from Mr. Roll.
[3:22:21] Will he use to say, everybody, talk long, talk wrong.
[3:22:26] Come on, Commissioner Gilbert.
[3:22:28] He also used to say, he was going to take a skinny minute.
[3:22:32] skinny minute, this is skinny minute.
[3:22:34] I just want to thank Commissioner Bastien for actually bringing this item.
[3:22:37] And thank the family, I knew Commissioner Roll with the governor.
[3:22:41] I knew him.
[3:22:42] He was a good man who worked tirelessly with community.
[3:22:44] He loved this community. He loved this county. I think it's completely. This is this is overdue.
[3:22:51] This is fitting and it's overdue. Thank you very much for doing this. Thank you, commissioner.
[3:22:57] Chairman. Senator Garcia.
[3:23:00] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you, Commissioner Gilbert for reminding us about the governor.
[3:23:06] He was an amazing, when I was in legislature, I worked a lot with him on a couple different issues.
[3:23:11] And there's no doubt that he really did care about his community, love this people, and fought tirelessly for them every single day.
[3:23:20] So whether you're greeted with him or not, the one thing that you could be a shirt and certain of is that he really did love his people.
[3:23:25] And Commissioner Bessian, thank you so much for bringing this before us.
[3:23:28] And please, this being as a co-sponsor as well.
[3:23:30] Thank you.
[3:23:32] Yes.
[3:23:32] All the way around.
[3:23:33] Yeah, please add me as well.
[3:23:34] This case we get co-sponsored all the way around.
[3:23:37] All the way around.
[3:23:39] All right.
[3:23:41] Okay, all right. So with that clerk, please, we need, we have a motion. We have a second, with that clerk, please call the roll.
[3:23:50] Commissioner Gilbert. Commissioner Gonzalez.
[3:23:54] Commissioner Lopez. Yes. Commissioner Amelia Norbus. Commissioner Regalado.
[3:24:00] Commissioner Steinberg. Commissioner Bastien. Yes. Commissioner Bramures. Commissioner Cornhiggins.
[3:24:05] Four, Senator Garcia, Vice Chairman McGee.
[3:24:10] Chairman Rodriguez.
[3:24:11] I vote yes.
[3:24:12] Motion passes unanimously.
[3:24:14] All right.
[3:24:15] On five F.
[3:24:18] Five T.
[3:24:19] Five.
[3:24:19] What is it?
[3:24:20] Five D.
[3:24:21] Oh, five D.
[3:24:23] Steinberg pulled that.
[3:24:26] All right, bye for Kate.
[3:24:27] Go ahead.
[3:24:27] Commissioner Steinberg on five D.
[3:24:29] In the spirit of the skinny minute.
[3:24:31] Spending minute.
[3:24:33] So, I listen, I support the ordinance, I know it's a great ordinance, and it's probably
[3:24:39] written enough, but it really is a narrow ordinance that only really impacts keep the
[3:24:43] scheme.
[3:24:44] My question, and what I would like to offer, is the ability for other municipalities to opt
[3:24:50] in to this ordinance, should they want to be an interlocal and being that the title is broad enough,
[3:24:56] I would ask the county attorney, let me know.
[3:24:58] that would be of an opportunity.
[3:25:00] Again, not mandating anything, not doing anything other than if another city wants to opt in, give them the ability to do so, because a lot of them are doing their regulations right now.
[3:25:11] And this is a model for what they could be doing.
[3:25:14] Thank you. I appreciate that, but the only thing I would add, and I've been requested this, we took a, this ordinance was a lot of work.
[3:25:24] And as many of you know, we were waiting for the state to really regulate it.
[3:25:29] This was done as a placeholder as a state regulated and unfortunately the governor vetoed.
[3:25:36] We had over a dozen meetings and keep a scan to make sure that everybody understood this.
[3:25:42] And the reason for this ordinance, because many of you know,
[3:25:45] I'm a big supporter of micro mobility, but on February 14, 2024,
[3:25:49] We had Megan Andrews died in Kibisgain as a result of an accident. She was 66.
[3:25:55] She was killed by a 12 year old on an e-bike. And then on August 15, 2025, we had Fabian Moss.
[3:26:02] Mosses, he was 54, killed by a 14 year old on an e-bike. So this is a big issue for Kibisgain
[3:26:10] and not something that we entered into lightly. I would, I don't want to mend this.
[3:26:16] I would tell you all to bring your own items, referring to it, but to have the public meetings
[3:26:21] so that you can inform everyone on the breath of this.
[3:26:26] We landed on this in collaboration with Kibiske and this is an extension of what's already
[3:26:33] been existing.
[3:26:34] So I don't want to just add other cities without them kind of going through the work of
[3:26:41] it.
[3:26:41] If I may clarify, you absolutely may yes.
[3:26:45] It wouldn't be necessarily amending any of the work on the ordinance.
[3:26:48] It's just giving the mechanism for another city to enter into a local with the county
[3:26:53] so that they can also avail themselves of the good work that's been done on this ordinance.
[3:26:59] This is nothing to do with changing the ordinance or, by the way, cities already
[3:27:03] some of them have their own, they've adopted their own regulations to the extent that they can.
[3:27:09] And instead of bringing one for each city individually, just, you know, maybe the attorney can explain a little further so that it, so it doesn't touch the ordinance and the essence of it.
[3:27:19] The only thing I would say is this is about the Rick and Backer, which is unique as a street.
[3:27:24] So the speeds and everything on the Rick and Backer are very very different from other county owned streets.
[3:27:30] So I would say it would be better to do something separately for other county owned streets because the Rick and Backer is a highway.
[3:27:37] And this is about the Rick and Bakker, and that's why I said it's it's very particular to what it was created for.
[3:27:49] So, okay, Commissioner Lopez.
[3:27:52] Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[3:27:53] So I did pass legislation in the state that allowed for local governments to regulate
[3:27:58] micro mobility devices.
[3:28:00] And that is in statute now.
[3:28:02] It was amended into the Transportation Bell.
[3:28:04] So any municipality that wishes to do so can.
[3:28:07] It's the specific, so to Commissioner Steinberg's question, any municipality today, under state
[3:28:14] statute, can actually pass an ordinance.
[3:28:18] What Commissioner Regalado was saying is absolutely true.
[3:28:20] She and I both worked very hard, because the village of Kibisgain has banned microability
[3:28:26] devices on their roads, but the one she's referring to is the Crandon Boulevard.
[3:28:32] And so this is so specific to Kibisgain, but Commissioner Steinberg, any of our
[3:28:37] municipalities they want more though and I would say Commissioner Steinberg and I share the city
[3:28:42] of Miami Beach and they are looking to expand the state statute in this coming session.
[3:28:50] So hopefully that will be something that we can work towards but currently any municipality
[3:28:55] in the state of Florida can regulate micro mobility devices.
[3:29:00] Yeah, if I.
[3:29:01] Commissioner.
[3:29:02] Thank you.
[3:29:03] No and I appreciate that.
[3:29:04] This was just the opportunity because it does say county roads, you know, and while it does
[3:29:10] reference the areas and keep a scan, which is why I said, it's brought enough in the
[3:29:14] title, but it's specific to what you were doing, and I know the work it came, I know I know
[3:29:19] how contentious these things can be, but now I think in light of what's been happening, the
[3:29:24] regulatory framework is here, and it's just giving them the option if they want to opt into
[3:29:29] something like this. It may not be what they want, it may not, it may not, it may go further than
[3:29:33] they would want to do. And I would just ask the attorneys, is there a way to do this where
[3:29:39] it doesn't touch the item or keeps the essence, because she did bring up a good point about it being
[3:29:46] so specific to the type of road, the causeway. I'm dealing with the only thing I would add and that's
[3:29:52] I'm happy to work with you on an item. I would just say if we are going to bring something like an
[3:29:57] and similar to what I did with the peacocks.
[3:30:00] I think you need to establish parameters. And I would say a certain number of public meetings
[3:30:05] outreach, a lot of things that are not in here. Because I did all those things before this, you
[3:30:11] know, this, this has been working for a long time and this is an extension of an existing. So I'm
[3:30:16] happy to work on an item that creates a way for them to bring it in and to request that we extend
[3:30:23] their limitations to county roads, but I think there has to be a very compelling reason.
[3:30:31] So I would happy work with you on a paradigm, but in order for a city to opt in, they
[3:30:35] would have to pass some sort of resolution or formal thing at their body, which would then
[3:30:40] be a public hearing within of itself at their city.
[3:30:43] Now, this was just, look, I just thought it was an opportunity so that we don't all have
[3:30:47] to bring items forward and this would just be more streamlined to allow them the ability.
[3:30:52] But, you know, it's not at the end of the world.
[3:30:54] It was one of those really, you know, opportunistic moments where for doing this legislation,
[3:31:01] why not give them the ability to opt-in?
[3:31:03] Should they want to?
[3:31:03] A lot of times we pre-empt cities, which I don't necessarily agree with.
[3:31:07] So this was just an opportunity to, say, listen, we have this framework.
[3:31:11] You want to opt-in?
[3:31:12] These are the steps in which you would have to do to actually formally opt-in.
[3:31:16] You can't just say, here you go, you need to have a process in the city to do so.
[3:31:20] But that's fine.
[3:31:21] All right, so move it.
[3:31:24] It's been moved.
[3:31:25] It's been second.
[3:31:27] Commissioner Cohen Higgins for a question.
[3:31:29] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[3:31:30] Is there a, is there a sister or a mirrored ordinance within our code related to
[3:31:37] micromobility devices that is not specific to keep a scan?
[3:31:41] Or is this the only ordinance in Miami-Dade County that specifically speaks to
[3:31:46] micromobility devices, electric bicycles and motorized scooters?
[3:31:52] Yes, commission. This is the only ordinance currently in the code that speaks specific
[3:31:57] and make available in the devices.
[3:31:59] Okay, so if another minute, how many municipalities do we have in my Medi-County 3234?
[3:32:05] So if any of the 32 or 34 municipalities within my Medi-County want to avail themselves
[3:32:11] of this ordinance that we just spoke to, we had deaths, God forbid, any other municipality
[3:32:17] sufferers, the way that keep a skin has, we are not prepared to create some sort of an agreement
[3:32:24] to help them opt into this. More easily, I'm confused as to the position that's currently
[3:32:29] being taken by the board. Why would we allow our municipalities to avail themselves to an ordinance
[3:32:35] that saves lives that had a ton of work and that we all applaud? I do not understand that.
[3:32:40] If I could respond to that, what I'm saying is that there was a lot of public meeting and input
[3:32:46] and work with DDPW to come to this ordinance.
[3:32:49] It has very rick and backer specific penalties and it doesn't, it doesn't speak to all the
[3:32:57] meetings and everything that came before the ordinance.
[3:32:59] So what I'm saying is I'm happy to draft an ordinance for cities to opt in, but it needs
[3:33:04] to have a lot of things that are not in this ordinance because this ordinance came after
[3:33:08] two years of working with Keeva's game.
[3:33:11] So like I said, I'm happy to work with Commissioner Steinberg or whoever wants to do it to amend
[3:33:16] this ordinance in another item that gives the municipality to input, speaks to the hearings,
[3:33:22] and everything so that they can opt in.
[3:33:24] Thank you for that.
[3:33:25] To the attorneys, what would be the difficulty of the ordinance as it's written now, allowing
[3:33:30] our municipalities to avail themselves via an opt-in, or whatever the proper legal language is,
[3:33:36] the way the Commissioner Steinberg just requested?
[3:33:38] Commission, that would require an amendment to section 2A of the ordinance, the applicability
[3:33:45] section, as it is currently written. It is narrow to the current and current vote vote vote
[3:33:51] that section would need to be amended to expand the applicability.
[3:33:56] Okay, it would need to be amended to expand the applicability county wide or simply speak to
[3:34:01] the opportunity for existing municipalities to opt-in should they desire to do so.
[3:34:08] I'm not trying to expand it, countywide. That wasn't the question. The question was specific to what Commissioner Steinberg requested multiple times rather clearly.
[3:34:20] It would be amended to apply countywide with opt-in language.
[3:34:27] So it wouldn't apply countywide unless municipalities elected to enter into some sort of interlocal agreement opt-in, correct?
[3:34:36] I understand that to be the request that this Board Commissioner Steinberg was requesting for an amendment to have it apply countywide, but allow the municipalities to opt in.
[3:34:48] So it wouldn't apply as a matter of right, right? So as a matter of law, each municipality would have to take an affirmative step to opt in after, you know.
[3:35:05] All on, do you start the floor? I do so have the floor, but I'm watching Commissioner Steinberg and it doesn't seem as though that that reflects what she was trying to accomplish. I'm just trying to understand if there is a vehicle to accomplish what the commissioner specifically requested.
[3:35:21] Are you okay? Commissioner Steinberg.
[3:35:23] Thank you. Well, right. I mean, it wasn't. My intent wasn't necessarily to have this blanket county wide language.
[3:35:29] It was more of the ability to have municipalities opt in or districts opt in where, you know, now that we're thinking about it with or on, you know, maybe the unincorporated areas may want to have some of this regulation as well.
[3:35:42] But ultimately it was specific and minor to allow for an opt-in option, but if, you know, maybe maybe I just, at this point, I'm happy and I appreciate the line.
[3:35:53] of questioning commissioner Cohen Higgins.
[3:35:56] I think I'm happy to bring an item, by the way, does anybody have a hold on this?
[3:36:00] Like I want to make sure that if I bring something forward that I'll be able to actually
[3:36:05] bring a forward, because all I want to do is allow cities to opt in to this piece of legislation.
[3:36:10] That's all I'm asking.
[3:36:11] So can the attorneys maybe draft something and we pass something today?
[3:36:15] So to the attorneys, well, go ahead and answer that question.
[3:36:19] So the same way that you were saying we can amend it to say this applies county-wide with an
[3:36:25] opt-in, we can amend it by saying not applying county-wide, and we would have, you know, basically,
[3:36:32] in our locals allowing for municipalities to opt-in to the attorneys. So my question is specific.
[3:36:38] I'm asking you whether the inverse of what you proposed is possible. Instead of saying we want this
[3:36:43] to apply county-wide, we want instead to give the municipalities by interlocal or expression of
[3:36:49] interest. We represent a lot of municipalities obviously that may want to opt in. Is that language
[3:36:55] a possibility?
[3:37:00] You recognize to the attorneys.
[3:37:05] I want to be clear that I understand your
[3:37:07] question before answering. So could I just kindly ask you to repeat it? Absolutely. You proposed
[3:37:14] having the ordinance amended to apply county wide with an opt in by the municipalities. The commission
[3:37:22] that made the original request sugarhead and said that's not exactly what I was requesting.
[3:37:26] Instead, what I was requesting was language simply allowing specific municipalities to opt in,
[3:37:32] should they desire to do so? So it's simply taking the proposal that you gave and creating
[3:37:38] the inverse of that proposal. My question is a simple one. Is that possible?
[3:37:45] Yes, Commissioner. It is possible. Okay. So then what is the downside then of including that
[3:37:50] language in this ordinance, considering the lives that it saves, the work that it's done,
[3:37:56] you know, applauding the work. I mean, it's, it's, it's, right, I mean, I represent
[3:38:00] Palmetre Bay, cutler Bay. What if they want to be included? I don't understand why we
[3:38:04] would need to wait months and months and months for a separate item that essentially can
[3:38:09] be accomplished here via a simple amendment, which is what I wanted to clarify through the attorneys
[3:38:15] whether or not that amendment was possible.
[3:38:17] If I could just clarify a commissioner, this ordinance only applies to county roads.
[3:38:23] We understand that.
[3:38:24] That's currently right.
[3:38:25] We understand that.
[3:38:26] I don't think that anybody is confused.
[3:38:27] I'm opt-in for municipalities wouldn't be an ordinance for the entire road network within
[3:38:33] the municipality.
[3:38:33] Only the country roads.
[3:38:35] Just wanted to be clear.
[3:38:35] Thank you.
[3:38:37] To respond to that question, the my concern is notice and litigation.
[3:38:42] So as we work through this, we dealt with a lot of individuals that did not agree with
[3:38:47] ordinance, but we had a series of public meetings, and we worked through it to ensure that the
[3:38:52] county would not enter into litigation as a result. There is a reason that the governor
[3:38:57] vetoed it. There is a group of humans who do not want this type of limitation to micromobility
[3:39:03] and while this gave some notice to the municipalities, it didn't give them the notice that an item
[3:39:09] speaking to a countywide would give. Also, if you amend it this way, you're focusing, it's
[3:39:17] written back or focused, there's different county roads with different speeds and different
[3:39:21] modalities and the the ordinance speaks to the written back or end crammed in, which is a very
[3:39:26] different road than a lot of county own roads. And finally, we then have to deal with the
[3:39:33] issue of what we would do in terms of unincorporated Miami date. So that's a whole other
[3:39:38] Because now if you're going to create an op-in for cities for this prohibition on county roads,
[3:39:47] then we need a vehicle for this board in terms of our county roads.
[3:39:53] The unincorporated mainly all county roads.
[3:39:56] So that's why the Rick and Bakker is different because of the speeds it is.
[3:40:00] So, that's what I would caution you that I think and I'm happy to work on a comprehensive item that really covers this, but you need to cover the speeds, the size, the cost. This is very particular to the Rick and Baker and you need to have public meetings and bake that into the process.
[3:40:18] How long?
[3:40:20] Commissioner Gilbert, you recognized.
[3:40:22] Mr. Chairman.
[3:40:22] Commissioner Accordingants will still have the floor if necessary, but.
[3:40:26] Commissioner Gilbert.
[3:40:27] And the risk of, you know, agreeing with Commissioner Gilbert a lot of twice.
[3:40:32] I did.
[3:40:33] I think she's likely right on this.
[3:40:36] And I think that it actually came through the Transportation Committee.
[3:40:40] And so the reason why it passed through the Transportation Committee was because,
[3:40:45] like it did was because of its limited nature. Now, this board can broaden it if you like,
[3:40:52] but let's be clear. We do have a committee process for a reason. This broad of an item
[3:40:59] would have been treated differently in committee. Chairman, it would have been treated differently.
[3:41:06] So there are, and listen, I think that the notice requirement is a significant thing. There are
[3:41:11] people who don't agree with this. Well, I do, and Commissioner Steinberg, and Commissioner
[3:41:17] Cohen, he's there, residents who might have chosen to be heard on this item in the committee,
[3:41:24] had it take, it was postured like this. And so I would just caution us about changing
[3:41:30] something so substantially at the board level on an item that's gone through committee
[3:41:36] Mr. Chairman.
[3:41:39] So, okay, Senator Garcia.
[3:41:42] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[3:41:44] And I agree with everything being said, but however, what the request is an up-in provision.
[3:41:50] That's what I was going to say.
[3:41:51] It's an up-in provision, up-in into the rules that are being established for the municipalities.
[3:41:57] I get what that is specific to a road.
[3:42:01] I get that it went through the committee process.
[3:42:04] But at the end of the day, we are representatives of the people.
[3:42:08] We speak for the people.
[3:42:10] You have used that line before that we are the representatives of the people that think
[3:42:14] is incumbent upon the municipality itself that wants to opt in to do what they need to do
[3:42:20] for their municipality, but I don't see a problem with having municipalities opt in.
[3:42:27] When I even pushing anything on anyone, we're just getting it.
[3:42:30] We created this law, we understand there's some limitations to it, but you can use
[3:42:34] parameters are existing in here to apply this to your constituency. I think it's it's
[3:42:39] doesn't hurt anyone and I'm perfectly fine with seconding the amendments and trying to get
[3:42:44] this moving forward. Okay, so we hold on. We have Commissioner, there's an amendment but it's not,
[3:42:54] Steinberg has an officially,
[3:42:58] okay, there's an amendment, there's a second team amendment, but there's
[3:43:01] there's a motion on the actual item itself, right?
[3:43:04] So, as amended, behold on, I have commissioner,
[3:43:08] I have Gonzalez on the queue and then I'll go to Lopez
[3:43:11] and then anyone else that Gonzalez.
[3:43:15] Thank you, Mr. Chair, and you know,
[3:43:16] I do appreciate Commissioner Regalardos
[3:43:18] particularly explanation of the complexity
[3:43:24] of how this was brought forward.
[3:43:25] I think it's something that it is very much needed.
[3:43:28] However, something that the County Attorney's office,
[3:43:30] Well, something that the county attorney said really caught my attention, and that was that this
[3:43:35] was only applicable to county roads, and so from what I understand, Commissioner Steinberg was
[3:43:46] requesting that the amendment apply if, and correct me if I'm wrong Commissioner Steinberg,
[3:43:51] if it passes through the municipality. And so I think that if it went through a municipality
[3:43:57] logically, and a municipality had noticed hearings, and a municipality voted to have municipal
[3:44:06] roads engaged in something similar.
[3:44:10] I think that what you were trying to do is, since those municipal roads within the municipality
[3:44:15] that had those public hearings have adopted it for the municipality, perhaps they can just
[3:44:22] in so that the county roads are applicable as well.
[3:44:29] I think that that would solve the issue with
[3:44:34] public notice along with the issues of speed
[3:44:41] and the discrepancies as to whether the notice
[3:44:47] had to be heard here. I don't know if you want to continue but I think I would be supported
[3:44:56] of open amendment.
[3:45:04] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, I just have a quick question. So, in using the, I have been dealing with this as a state rub for Cuba's gain, but I have a question. In the case of Cuba's gain, it banned all micromobility devices on their own streets. The only one that runs through the village is Crandon Boulevard. It is a county road. So, despite whatever a municipality may or may not do with their roads,
[3:45:32] I believe the question here is about what to do with a county road that runs through a municipality,
[3:45:39] whether they do anything or they don't, right?
[3:45:42] I don't know, and this is a question to Commissioner Regalado, if her item, because I know
[3:45:48] that this item was introduced two years ago, it was sunset.
[3:45:53] So the question is, are the regulations, are the rules governing the right ways and the
[3:46:01] specific to keep a scan? Because if it is, then I don't know how you allow another municipality
[3:46:09] to opt in because these would be, then you would be asking every municipality to comply with what
[3:46:15] keep a scan decided. Is that true? I just need to understand. Yes, it is specific to keep a
[3:46:21] scan as are the penalty amounts and the understanding of the speed based on the roads.
[3:46:31] That's
[3:46:31] than this, I'm happy to help draft something, but it would have to have different categories
[3:46:37] for different types of roads that have different speeds, different sidewalks, and you would
[3:46:42] have to have different pricing for the violations. This is built specifically for Rick and
[3:46:48] Baker and Crandon. If I may, I think I have an idea. Yes, but Rick and Crandon. Commissioner
[3:46:54] Cohen, take a few reckons. Thank you, Mr. Chair. To the attorneys and to the sponsor of the item,
[3:47:00] Section 5 of the item that we're discussing says, Enforcement by municipalities.
[3:47:07] A municipality may upon approval by the Board of County Commissioners of an interlocal
[3:47:11] agreement between the county and such municipality.
[3:47:15] Enforce the provisions of the section as it relates to roads within the boundaries of
[3:47:20] said municipality.
[3:47:22] The agenda item approving such interlocal agreement shall be sponsored by a district commissioner
[3:47:26] in whose district any portion of such municipality lies.
[3:47:30] So it's already in the ordinance.
[3:47:33] We're talking about this being Rick and Bakker
[3:47:35] and Kibis gain specific, but they're section five.
[3:47:38] They're section six enforcement talks about municipalities,
[3:47:42] section six D, a municipality entering into an interlocal agreement
[3:47:46] as provided in this section.
[3:47:47] May in the alternative provide for enforcement
[3:47:49] in accordance with its own procedures.
[3:47:51] And then section seven entirely speaks to municipal regulation.
[3:47:55] So I don't know how this is keybiscayne and Rick and Bakker specific and I don't know how the question that commissioner
[3:48:00] The commissioner originally posed was quiz like puzzling to our attorneys. It's completely already baked into the ordinance
[3:48:07] Which is why many of us found it extremely difficult to understand how this ordinance could not have an opt-in so much so it's already built into the ordinance.
[3:48:16] Mr. Chair if I can respond to that. Oh, don't but I want to hear from the attorney. Yes, you will.
[3:48:20] to the attorneys, is that accurate?
[3:48:23] Commissioner, the Section 2A identifies the applicability
[3:48:29] of the code provision itself.
[3:48:32] It says that this section shall be applicable
[3:48:33] to Crandon Boulevard between the northern limits
[3:48:35] of the village of Kewis Kain to accomplish
[3:48:38] what Commissioner Cohen Higgins is suggesting
[3:48:43] would just require either a deletion or modification
[3:48:46] of two A to broaden that definition.
[3:48:51] So, if I can explain.
[3:48:54] And we have this issue several times I brought items
[3:48:58] and we've had questions about the language of the ordinance.
[3:49:02] And that's because time and time again,
[3:49:04] our county attorneys tell us that we cannot draft something
[3:49:07] that is hyper-specific to an area
[3:49:10] that it must refer back to the entire code
[3:49:14] And then get specific in the body.
[3:49:18] I am not doing anything that everyone doesn't do in every single item.
[3:49:22] In fact, when we suspended the CRA for Naranja that we're going to visit tonight,
[3:49:28] it had language that applied to everyone and then specified that this was only for Naranja.
[3:49:33] Because this is what our county attorneys tell us that we need to do so as not to create anomalies inside the code.
[3:49:40] I have to bring an item that complies with the entire code of Miami-D County.
[3:49:45] That's why it refers back to those pieces.
[3:49:48] I cannot create a vehicle for the acceptance of an interlocal that is different from the general rules of how an interlocal is accepted for any other modality or purpose in my opinion.
[3:50:00] So no, the item is not in conflict with itself, but it is specific to keep a skein as are the penalties that were negotiated with the residents of keep a skein and the village.
[3:50:13] And again, I'm happy to add to this ordinance with a separate item.
[3:50:17] I would ask that it have meetings and it have discussions.
[3:50:21] I don't think that we should amend this so that a municipality just passes something.
[3:50:26] And then all of a sudden, there's a county road that prohibits this type of modality, because
[3:50:32] it is really far reaching, and what it will do is go in the other direction and get us
[3:50:37] preempted when it comes to these types of regulations.
[3:50:40] To the attorneys, because I'm now, now I want clarification, because both are making a good
[3:50:47] argument.
[3:50:48] I mean, and it's not even an argument.
[3:50:49] Once making an argument, there was reading straight out of the item, which is very clear to
[3:50:53] me.
[3:50:53] So which one is it?
[3:50:56] Can it be done today per the item already or is it specific only and exclusively to keep a skein in the bottom Rick and Barker and all that good stuff all those roads?
[3:51:05] Which one is it?
[3:51:07] The item could be amended today if it's the will of the board
[3:51:12] Okay, but
[3:51:13] That doesn't answer my question.
[3:51:14] Let me just bring it in because I brought this way. Why would it need to be amended if it's already in the item?
[3:51:21] Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't get that part of the question because the item is written in the applicability section
[3:51:27] The applicability section is now wrote to Crandon Park Boulevard in Kibitsky. Okay, perfect. All right, so that clarifies that it is not
[3:51:36] Open to everyone even though it reads that it is, but it's tricky and you guys figure it out
[3:51:41] Lookability is what commissioner Steinberg you recognize. Okay, so I just want to back it up my my intention of this was to honestly piggyback and give the ability, right
[3:51:50] It was something to help, and I want to thank my colleagues, because honestly, the section
[3:51:54] that you read actually was what prompted the whole initiation of wanting to have other
[3:52:00] cities obtained because it said it there, I'm not an attorney, it read in a way that made
[3:52:05] sense.
[3:52:06] I spoke to the attorney yesterday, he said, yes, we can broaden it.
[3:52:08] I didn't think it was going to have a bigger impact in that way.
[3:52:13] I was trying to do something to help municipalities who want to regulate on their county roads.
[3:52:17] Having said that, being that Commissioner Lopez did bring up the type of speed limit that could potentially be slightly different, I would ask my colleagues for the support to wave the rules and let me at least have the ability to work on almost an amendment to this item so that we can bring something forward that may also want to help the unincorporated areas.
[3:52:42] I don't know, but that way I'm not going to be blocked from bringing something.
[3:52:47] Why would we need to wait the rules?
[3:52:48] Because someone may have a hold on.
[3:52:50] In case there's a hold she's saying, okay, so let's do this.
[3:52:53] So that works, that works for me too and that makes everybody happy.
[3:52:56] So let's take a vote on, let's take a vote on this item first, and if there's no further discussion on it,
[3:53:02] and then we'll entertain the motion from Commissioner Steinberg on, if it exists, there may not be a hold on it.
[3:53:08] But if there is, wave the rules to, so with that...
[3:53:12] It's been moved by Commissioner Regalato, seconded by the Vice Chair, Clerk, please call the roll.
[3:53:20] Commissioner Gonzalez.
[3:53:23] Four.
[3:53:24] Commissioner Lopez.
[3:53:26] Commissioner Mediana Orbis.
[3:53:28] Commissioner Regalado.
[3:53:29] Yes.
[3:53:30] Commissioner Steinberg.
[3:53:31] Commissioner Bastien.
[3:53:33] Commissioner Bermutis.
[3:53:34] Yes.
[3:53:35] Commissioner Cohen Higgins.
[3:53:36] Four.
[3:53:37] Senator Garcia.
[3:53:39] Commissioner Gilbert.
[3:53:40] Yes.
[3:53:41] Vice Chairman McGee.
[3:53:42] I thought when Mickey said for a skinny minute was going to be a skinny minute, but the answer is yes
[3:53:47] Not in the words a rule
[3:53:49] Fairmen Rodriguez. I vote yes motion passes unanimous minute with all right now commissioner Steinberg moves and the event necessary, but moves to
[3:54:00] Very chairman
[3:54:01] She's she's she's just brought an item then if there was a hole her bringing an item would have eliminated the hold on
[3:54:09] She may have something else might happen.
[3:54:12] There might be holds on another minute.
[3:54:15] So, Jerry, is there-
[3:54:16] We don't, I mean, we don't know if there's all,
[3:54:18] but I think what's all she's saying is she would like to work
[3:54:20] on an item, amending this one.
[3:54:22] And so she wishes to extend that there is that the board waves
[3:54:25] the rules to allow her to work on that item.
[3:54:28] Okay.
[3:54:28] Second.
[3:54:29] I can't.
[3:54:29] Second.
[3:54:30] Second.
[3:54:30] ever signify by saying aye? Aye. I'll oppose nay. Show that being the case.
[3:54:36] Phil, Mr. Chairman, we just placed the Steinberg in first place now on the whole list.
[3:54:41] If there is one. Yeah, we did. We did. On that one item, so I should
[3:54:45] congrats the Steinberg. All right. So, Vice Chair, do you want to take up point of
[3:54:51] personal privilege to recognize some of your interns? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman,
[3:54:57] And today we have the future of America.
[3:55:01] I'm going to ask those young ladies and young men who have actually interning in my office to stand up and be recognized. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the future of America. So stand up. These are our interns who are working in the community and showing that things move.
[3:55:18] Mr. Chairman, I have the honor and privilege of actually representing these young individuals, but they represent the community and they're a total of 21 of them working out of our office. Each year we have at least 20 interns, and we're going to
[3:55:32] And so each year we try to show the force of what the future is going to be like by way of these individuals.
[3:55:38] So thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[3:55:40] Thank you, Vice Chair.
[3:55:41] And thank you all for being here today and being interns for the Vice Chair.
[3:55:46] All right, moving on with our list.
[3:55:50] I've got, is 5F next?
[3:55:53] Yes.
[3:55:54] Okay, so our entertain, emotional 5F.
[3:55:57] We do have, obviously, by-for-cated.
[3:55:58] It's been moved by the Vice Chair.
[3:56:01] seconded by Commissioner Lopez and then Commissioner Regalado just as a point of point of privilege
[3:56:09] I just want to make sure that the attorneys had that vote for also 11824 the two of them went together
[3:56:14] I don't know if when they read it they said that
[3:56:17] The attorneys
[3:56:20] that's why we pulled it so that they could go together
[3:56:26] We did not but I mean we can do it now. These there's discretion in 11824 we'll take it in a second
[3:56:33] because I already have a motion in a second on 5F and you recognize Regulato on 5F as of by forgetting.
[3:56:40] All right, we'll go, go to 5F and we'll come back.
[3:56:43] We'll go right back to it but I already have a motion in a second so.
[3:56:56] So on 5F, I just want to mention something to the board just to give you some numbers.
[3:57:02] We have a lot of bond items that we're added to this agenda and I want to speak a little bit later specifically about the port one.
[3:57:12] but just to give you an idea on the number, if you combine all these items, you get in this
[3:57:20] agenda alone, we're drawing down or authorizing $1.7 billion. We have five E, that is the transit for
[3:57:33] 35 million. We have five F, 38 million for capital that we're discussing now. We have five G,
[3:57:40] 35 million for general obligation.
[3:57:45] We have public facilities in 5H, 275 million, we have 5I, which is the one that I'm most interested in, 700 million, we have 5J, 400, 480 million.
[3:58:01] And the total is 2.1 billion but then you back out what we're paying down for debt that we've already issued.
[3:58:10] This particular one, this particular one, I, it's a little concerning because this is the one that functions a little bit like a credit card, and I just want everyone to understand that A, we're drawing down at a time where interest rates are very high, B, we could continue doing it the way that we've been doing it with the short term financing.
[3:58:32] We don't know what's going to happen with property taxes and all of this impacts are debt financing.
[3:58:39] So our debt financing goes up.
[3:58:41] This is a lot of drawdown.
[3:58:44] So I just, you know, everyone wants to be a fiscal conservative.
[3:58:48] I'm not against some of these, but it is a lot of money that we're drawing down.
[3:58:54] I've looked at the programming, some of it is good, some of it.
[3:58:59] When we talk about the port, I disagree with, given everything that's happening there, but I think we should all be very mindful of the impact that this amount of drawdown is going to have on next year's budget specifically on the debt financing aspect and what we're paying.
[3:59:18] We're pushing all of this out 30 years and in many cases we're paying over a 6%.
[3:59:25] All right. Madam Mayor. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just want to say that I utilized my
[3:59:33] prerogative under the charter to put an item on the agenda today to be 14 that actually
[3:59:38] addresses this very issue. But because it wasn't pulled by any commissioner, it's not on
[3:59:44] your discussion agendas, but I would like to take under my authority under the charter
[3:59:48] just a moment to highlight for you what we've been able to do with our credit rating in our
[3:59:54] here in the county because I've become mayor. So I'm extremely proud of this
[4:00:00] And that's why I put together that report for you. And it underscores our strong financial position, the policy effectiveness and our transparent governance profile.
[4:00:10] And in fact, we have saved, as of the last count, $800 million of tax payer money because we have been able to renegotiate 13 credit rating upgrades, and we have consistently strong across multiple credits from the national rating agencies.
[4:00:27] So, obviously, when they give us those ratings and we're able to renegotiate our bonds favorably,
[4:00:34] that's because they look at our policies and they feel confident.
[4:00:38] So I just wanted to let you know that, yes, of course, we have to be very mindful of how much money
[4:00:43] we borrow.
[4:00:44] We also know that if tax reform passes, that will compromise our ability.
[4:00:50] So that is something to be mindful of looking ahead.
[4:00:53] But we are we have one of the strongest ratings anywhere in the country.
[4:00:58] So I think we should be very proud of that and because it has not been an official regular report to the board.
[4:01:04] I commend to you item 2b14. Please look at it. There's details there and we have our bond leader.
[4:01:11] Our list of wood with us here. She has won the national bond.
[4:01:16] I'm going to call her council, but council of the year award and went to watch to New York City to receive that prize last year.
[4:01:24] So we have very, very strong fiscal management in the county.
[4:01:28] Make you matter, Mr. Chair.
[4:01:30] No, we're just not going to do this because I knew when the mayor spoke, everyone, they knew when I want to respond.
[4:01:34] We're good.
[4:01:35] Clerk, please call the roll.
[4:01:39] Commissioner Lopez?
[4:01:42] Commissioner Miliano Orbus?
[4:01:44] Commissioner Regalado?
[4:01:45] No, on this one.
[4:01:47] Commissioner Steinberg?
[4:01:48] Commissioner Bustian, Commissioner Bermutus, Commissioner Cornhiggins, or Senator Garcia, Commissioner Gilbert,
[4:01:59] Yes, on this one.
[4:02:00] Commissioner Gonzalez,
[4:02:06] Vice Chairman McGee?
[4:02:07] Yes, not to this one.
[4:02:10] Yes.
[4:02:10] Chairman Rodriguez?
[4:02:11] I vote yes.
[4:02:13] Motion passes 10 to 1.
[4:02:15] All right.
[4:02:16] All right.
[4:02:17] 5G and 5H, Commissioner Regalada, you
[4:02:21] bifurcated both with them. I don't know if you want to speak on them separately, or if they can
[4:02:25] no. G and 5H. I think you, I think it was you.
[4:02:32] So first, I'll entertain a motion on 5G and 5H. It's been moving a Commissioner
[4:02:36] Coenagan seconded by Commissioner Bustian, Commissioner Regalada, you're recognized.
[4:02:40] I'm fine. I mean, I think the Admiralorum is the bigger issue because of the impact that it has
[4:02:45] on the debt service. I think it's on these. We're paying down some of it and we're still
[4:02:51] pulling down a lot, but I looked over the list and it's not egregious. So happy to move
[4:02:57] it. All right. So it's been moved. It's been seconded. Clerk, please call the roll on 5G and 5H.
[4:03:03] Commissioner Milian Norbus. Commissioner Regalado. Yes. Commissioner Steinberg.
[4:03:15] Commissioner
[4:03:16] Four, Senator Garcia, Commissioner Gilbert, Commissioner Gonzalez, four, Commissioner Lopez, yes, by Chairman McGee, yes, Chairman Rodriguez, I vote yes,
[4:03:29] Motion passes unanimously. All right, I'll entertain a motion on five.
[4:03:32] to move by Commissioner Bastien seconded by Commissioner Gilbert. And then I have Commissioner
[4:03:40] Bermuda's an Orbis as bifurcating the item. Just to vote no. Just to vote no. Okay
[4:03:46] Clerk, please call the roll. Commissioner Regalado. Yes. Commissioner Steinberg. Commissioner
[4:03:53] Bastien. Commissioner Bermuda's. Nope. Commissioner Cohen Higgins. No. Senator Garcia.
[4:04:03] Commissioner Gilbert, Commissioner Gonzalez?
[4:04:06] No.
[4:04:08] Commissioner Lopez? Yes.
[4:04:10] Commissioner McGeean Orbus?
[4:04:11] No.
[4:04:14] Vice Chairman McGee?
[4:04:18] Yes.
[4:04:21] Chairman Rodriguez?
[4:04:22] I vote no.
[4:04:23] Motion passes seven to five.
[4:04:25] All right, I want to obtain a motion of five.
[4:04:27] Bye-bye.
[4:04:28] Five.
[4:04:29] I.
[4:04:31] You want to buy for Kate?
[4:04:32] I mean, it was.
[4:04:32] No.
[4:04:33] No.
[4:04:33] No.
[4:04:33] If I was, was, was, was, was bifurcated.
[4:04:37] Okay. Five I. I didn't have it on my list, but five I.
[4:04:40] Yes, it was five I. Okay. Did you do bifurcate that one or? We also need to go back and take that
[4:04:44] other vote, right? All right. So, let's take that other vote that goes with, which is the one,
[4:04:49] what's the item that? 11, 8, 24, 11, 8, 24. 11, 8, 24. So, it's been moved by Commissioner
[4:04:56] Regalado. Seconded by Commissioner Gilbert. Is that, I don't know.
[4:05:00] roll call. No, right. That's a voice vote. All in favor signify by say, and aye. All opposed, nay. All right. Was five, five, bifurcated. It was not bifurcated. I don't show it as bifurcated, but it already passed.
[4:05:15] I support can discuss. I mean, at this point. Well, I mean, I'm requested it to be bifurcated. I don't know what happened. I'm going to vote no, and I want to discuss it. The thing is it already passed. So I need to reconsider the whole.
[4:05:26] That's what you could change your vote with, we could discuss and I think you could change your vote with the clerk.
[4:05:33] Okay, so it is a public hearing item.
[4:05:36] If the board wishes to reconsider it, it would have to be renewed as we're past the item.
[4:05:41] However, we're already past.
[4:05:42] We're not doing that.
[4:05:43] Okay.
[4:05:43] The commission, the question is Jerry.
[4:05:45] Yes.
[4:05:45] And then we should change your vote with the clerk.
[4:05:48] She can change her vote.
[4:05:49] What I would suggest, though, is because we've moved on,
[4:05:52] Just we'd have to wave the rules to allow her to change her vote and record it as a no for five
[4:05:57] Okay, so we could do that. I'm okay with that for the purposes of the vote right, but I also wanted to discuss it
[4:06:02] So yeah, I want to discuss it. I I pulled it. I don't know what happened. I I can show what I pulled
[4:06:08] It's on my list that even mentioned it when the portrait was on here that I was gonna talk about the item
[4:06:12] So I don't know where the disconnect is, but I'm not doubting it. I just I'm not reopening
[4:06:18] Public hearing because some folks may have left already so to the attorneys
[4:06:22] But we don't have to open the open public hearing from you can still discuss it without me opening up public hearing. Yes
[4:06:27] Yes, so a motion can you want to do a motion on 5A just so you could record your no vote?
[4:06:33] Yes, so a motion by Commissioner Regalado seconded by Steinberg all in favor of that signify by say and I
[4:06:40] All opposed me, okay, so that
[4:06:41] You show Commissioner Regalado as a no vote. That's just a motion waving the rules not on the item itself. Yes, correct and now do I need the item again?
[4:06:49] Okay, so now you can discuss.
[4:06:52] Thank you.
[4:06:53] Five aye.
[4:06:54] All right.
[4:06:55] So five aye.
[4:06:57] I just want to mention a few things on five aye that I find concerning.
[4:07:02] I understand that we're retiring the outstanding commercial paper.
[4:07:06] I have no issue with the 200 million for that.
[4:07:11] This is a common vehicle and the interest rate is fine.
[4:07:14] My concern with this item which is 700 in total is the 380 million for a series of projects.
[4:07:25] The projects unlike many of the other items do not have the amounts.
[4:07:30] If you go through the item you in exhibit A in particular you can figure out what they are.
[4:07:36] Some of them we've heard about before.
[4:07:38] For example, the new birth and 10 in terminal G expansion, rail and gate expansion, the
[4:07:46] the gantry cranes, which we've been asking for a very long time, what is the cost of those?
[4:07:51] There is no enumeration of that, and there's more information on port infrastructure.
[4:07:56] A lot of these items when I went and I compared it to the capital plan and to the other port items,
[4:08:01] there were numbers, and I think the reason why there's no numbers in this item is because this item also
[4:08:08] includes the fuel facility property. So in this item we're drawing down for that purchase.
[4:08:15] We are currently in litigation for a taking on that and I don't understand why we're drawing
[4:08:24] down without specificity because we cannot put a number on that. I think that given the litigation
[4:08:30] and everything that's happening at the port, we should continue financing with commercial paper
[4:08:35] and wait for us to have an actual number before we draw down, specifically in terms of the current market conditions.
[4:08:48] You know, right now, Munis have flooded. We have 45% above the two decade average.
[4:08:55] And while I agree with the mayor that we have been able to save by restructuring our debt,
[4:09:01] as in the case of the transit item, I do not believe that this is the case with this item.
[4:09:07] This item is being done this way so that the county has access to funding that this board
[4:09:13] then has to approve and I think that we should wait for this board to approve that because
[4:09:18] we're putting the card in front of the horse. We have a litigation, we haven't decided on a
[4:09:23] price and now we're drawing down money just to have it there at a very high cost to the county.
[4:09:29] And the fact that the port is an enterprise fund does it, does it, does it remediate the issue that we're approving a bond that does not have numbers attached to these projects?
[4:09:40] It is very fungible. And I don't understand why we're doing this at this moment. This can wait. We can continue having commercial paper.
[4:09:49] The port leadership is currently in transition. Today we hired a new director.
[4:09:53] So why are we doing this without waiting for that director to determine what exactly need
[4:10:00] It's to be done at the port. I think part of the problem here is that we continue running port Miami as if there's no problems, even though there's a million problems.
[4:10:08] The last issue that I want to point out here is included in this laundry list of issues, of projects that we're going to find is the connection to the connection that we did at the port.
[4:10:28] the shore power. And what I want some information from our attorneys regarding shore power, I don't
[4:10:35] understand why we're still talking about shore power. Brian Avila passed an item that I think
[4:10:40] dramatically changes shore power. We now have to look at everything that has to do with green
[4:10:47] energy. shore power was way more expensive than what we were originally told. We have not been
[4:10:52] given all the numbers on shore power. And now we're drawing down money to extend a program that
[4:10:58] I think we're going to be prohibited from doing at the port because of its high cost.
[4:11:03] Short power has ended up being more expensive to the cruise lines than the other alternatives.
[4:11:09] And I don't think that we should draw down for short power.
[4:11:12] We need actual numbers on which short power has cost, what the extension to short power was.
[4:11:16] If this was electric buses, everyone would be here on fire.
[4:11:20] Short power is no different.
[4:11:22] So we can't keep making the same mistake.
[4:11:25] The only thing I ask the administration is to make different mistakes.
[4:11:28] In this particular one, we know that short-powered is problematic, so why is it on here?
[4:11:34] And if the attorneys could speak a little bit as to short-power, and if we've made a determination
[4:11:39] as to its applicability, given the state law that recently asked us to scrutinize these
[4:11:45] projects in terms of their return on investment.
[4:11:50] Thank you.
[4:11:51] All right.
[4:11:53] Five, five, oh.
[4:11:55] He has to respond. We're waiting for the response over there who's responding to what? What was the question?
[4:12:03] County attorney
[4:12:04] Is there a response for power?
[4:12:11] You can respond and then would
[4:12:14] Asked you the net zero legislation. Is that what it's for right to?
[4:12:18] The net zero realization
[4:12:21] Is
[4:12:23] Actions of the county government or state governments are problematic if it's solely in advance of a net zero policy.
[4:12:30] If there are other reasons or other considerations, even environmental reasons that does not make the actions or the policies illegal.
[4:12:39] But what about the requirement for the return on investment in terms of the cost?
[4:12:43] There needs to be an analysis in terms of the cost.
[4:12:47] We'll get back to you on that.
[4:12:48] Thank you.
[4:12:48] All right, so now 5.0, I want to take a motion on 5.0. Is that the next one? All right,
[4:12:58] it's been moved by Commissioner Conehagan, seconded by Gilbert, and then I have Orbis and Garcia,
[4:13:03] as bifurcating commissioners, is it? Yes, yes, it's in my district. Okay, Commissioner.
[4:13:08] I'm going to say something on the record. Go ahead, Commissioner.
[4:13:10] So I had deferred this item twice and I understand it's quasi judicial, but it's because it's done through
[4:13:16] administrative item, as I understand, and I just wanted to ensure that the residents that
[4:13:23] live adjacent to this property or this parcel were aware of what was coming to their
[4:13:30] neighborhood and that they had an opportunity to express any concerns. I understand that
[4:13:34] administration has reached out and notified them because it's very important for me for the
[4:13:39] constituents to know when it changed like this is coming to their neighborhood. So with that, thank
[4:13:44] Thank you Mr. Chair. I have no further comments on this.
[4:13:48] Thank you commissioner and commissioner Garcia.
[4:13:53] No. Okay. All right.
[4:13:55] Clerk please wait.
[4:13:58] Yeah.
[4:13:58] Are you supportive commissioner or office?
[4:14:02] No. I'm not really.
[4:14:03] But there's from what I understand.
[4:14:06] It's quasi judicial so we can't.
[4:14:10] We.
[4:14:11] Yes.
[4:14:12] Okay.
[4:14:12] Okay. I'll be.
[4:14:13] I'll be. No. That's okay.
[4:14:14] All right. All right. All right.
[4:14:16] Clerk please call.
[4:14:18] Commissioner Steinberg.
[4:14:22] It's been moved in seconded.
[4:14:25] Yes.
[4:14:25] That's it.
[4:14:26] And I'll be in no.
[4:14:27] Steinberg's in no.
[4:14:28] Commissioner Bastien.
[4:14:30] Commissioner Bramures.
[4:14:32] Commissioner Cohen Higgins.
[4:14:34] No.
[4:14:35] Senator Garcia.
[4:14:38] Commissioner Gilbert.
[4:14:40] Commissioner Gonzalez.
[4:14:43] Commissioner Lopez.
[4:14:46] Commissioner Miguel Norbus.
[4:14:50] Commissioner Regalado.
[4:14:51] Yes.
[4:14:51] Bye, Sherman McGee.
[4:15:00] Chairman Rodriguez? I don't know. Motion fails 4 to 7. Okay.
[4:15:07] I have five view. I want to attend a motion on five view. It's been moved by Commissioner Gonzalez.
[4:15:14] Seconded by Commissioner Gilbert and Senator Garcia, you are, okay, clerk, clerk, please call the roll.
[4:15:22] Commissioner Bastien, Commissioner Bramures, Commissioner Cone Higgins, or
[4:15:29] Secondary Garcia,
[4:15:33] Commissioner Gilbert, Commissioner Gonzalez, Commissioner Lopez,
[4:15:40] Commissioner Milia Norbus,
[4:15:43] Commissioner Regalado, Commissioner Steinberg, Vice
[4:15:47] Reverend McGee? Yes.
[4:15:50] Chairman Rodriguez? Yes.
[4:15:52] Motion passes 11 to 1.
[4:15:54] Mr. Madam Attorney.
[4:15:56] Is that if for the public hearing items?
[4:15:59] Yes.
[4:16:00] All right, so I'm going to before we get into second reading items.
[4:16:03] I'm going to pull some out of order from the pull list.
[4:16:06] I'm going to pull up.
[4:16:09] As I understand some folks are here for this and may have to go.
[4:16:12] I'm going to pull 1114.
[4:16:15] 1115.
[4:16:17] 1116.
[4:16:17] 11.17 and 11.820 which are the charter review ballots and I have some pooling commissures
[4:16:25] so I'm going to go ahead and take them up I guess one by one. Let's see how I try this.
[4:16:31] So, a commissure from District 4, you're one of the pooling commissioners.
[4:16:36] Okay, as it relates to 11.814, I wanted to be a recorded know.
[4:16:41] Okay, so I'll take a vote on each one and D7.
[4:16:44] Commissioner from District 7 you recognize on 1114.
[4:16:53] Look in through, look in through, I'm going to show you, you got me.
[4:16:57] Look in through, by the way, I have an airport. I don't know that they're waiting here, so I hope we can take it up soon. There's still a pending airport item.
[4:17:05] We're going to get to all of them. I'm going to even try to get to Kelly track that I promise.
[4:17:10] So this was 14.
[4:17:14] Who's just doing by the state staff? 11814.
[4:17:18] 11814, yes. It's a charter review.
[4:17:22] ballot recommendations from the task force.
[4:17:27] You are at a plate, so it's not on this one.
[4:17:34] The late district residents seem to run the county commission.
[4:17:38] This 11-15, I'll go back to 11-14 in just a second.
[4:17:42] 11-15 commissioner, vice chairman, hear the one pulling commissioner.
[4:17:48] Only 11.15, you're recognized.
[4:17:51] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[4:17:53] Just wanted to hear from the administration and
[4:17:56] where the sponsor of the item, what is it that this item seeks to do?
[4:18:01] You're recognized.
[4:18:03] The administration and where the attorneys are recognized to respond
[4:18:05] on 11.15, what this item seeks to do.
[4:18:16] Go ahead, Mr. Vice Chair.
[4:18:18] This is one of the recommendations from the Charter Review Task Force.
[4:18:20] Currently the Charter provides that a district commissioner
[4:18:23] who wish an individual who wants to run for a district commission seat has to reside within
[4:18:27] the district for at least six months prior to the election.
[4:18:31] This would increase that requirement so that an individual would have to reside within the
[4:18:34] district for at least a year before being eligible to run for office.
[4:18:39] Yep, Vice Chairman.
[4:18:40] Thank you, Mr Chairman.
[4:18:41] And thank you to the County Attorney for the answer.
[4:18:43] My follow-up question is, is it the same in Brewer County and Palm Beach, could they
[4:18:50] have six months or do we have a year and how are we looking to the south of us in Montero County?
[4:18:59] Vice Chair, I do not have the answer to that question. I would have to do some research.
[4:19:03] And I can do that now while the commission deliverates.
[4:19:07] My next question is also to
[4:19:14] will there be a financial impact to the county as relates to this particular item?
[4:19:26] I'll leave it to the administration to answer.
[4:19:27] Is this on the one on the other?
[4:19:30] Thank you.
[4:19:30] I put them on for just the team.
[4:19:33] No, this.
[4:19:34] Okay.
[4:19:34] The teams like they're not in their heads.
[4:19:36] Do you guys want to actually acknowledge and say no?
[4:19:38] Through the chair.
[4:19:40] The chair of the charter reform commission is here.
[4:19:43] Dennis Kerbell.
[4:19:44] And I know there was substantial discussion about all of this.
[4:19:46] I don't know if you would like to hear from Mr. Kerbell.
[4:19:49] Come on up.
[4:19:50] You're up.
[4:19:51] We always love to have you in our chamber.
[4:19:54] You're a recognized answer to the vice chair's question.
[4:19:56] Well, shall this, this question specific shall this
[4:20:00] This charter review recommendation have a fiscal impact on the county.
[4:20:08] In terms of, I'm sorry, this was about the qualifying period.
[4:20:11] This is a qualifying period.
[4:20:13] Yes. We did not specifically discuss that at the charter review task force, but I don't
[4:20:18] believe it would. There's no additional money that would be required to be spent to determine
[4:20:23] whether someone made the year or the six months before.
[4:20:28] You're still a attorney man no matter what you can't take the lawyer out of you but by the way for the record Dennis Crabell
[4:20:34] Here as the chair of the charter review task force and if I could just take a second to thank of course the mayor and all of you for your support throughout the process and to the sponsor commissioner going
[4:20:43] Hey, against
[4:20:43] anyway
[4:20:45] Happy to help
[4:20:46] Thank you Mr. Chairman for the record. We love you Dennis. Thank you
[4:20:51] We will always love you, man. You are he's one of us
[4:20:58] So Daniel's the next question is, do we know what's happening to the north of us to the south of us and to the west like our other counties doing this exact same thing?
[4:21:08] Are they, is it six months? Is it a year? Where are we?
[4:21:15] This during our deliberations on this, I don't think actually we had information specifically looking to other counties to see what they were doing.
[4:21:22] this was just an item that was brought from one of the task force members and we briefly discussed
[4:21:29] that the concept of it being good to be in the district for longer but it was this there were
[4:21:34] other items that had comparison where staff had done research this was not one.
[4:21:40] I'm just I'm just
[4:21:41] asking a question because it's it's going from six months to a year something or somebody had to
[4:21:49] trigger the thought right like it it and I'm just and I'm just and I'm sure it's a state law
[4:21:54] something there, but I'm just trying to figure out why now. And I understand you want to
[4:21:58] get it on the ballot in time, but specifically why this, like, what happened? Did something
[4:22:05] trigger this?
[4:22:07] There wasn't a specific event as I recall that triggered the discussion. It was a discussion
[4:22:11] from one of the members. I believe it was Mayor Lawsoner. I think that would be recorded in
[4:22:17] the minutes, but I don't have it memorized. That was just since we were looking at the charter
[4:22:22] and making changes and looking at qualifying and other municipal election and other electoral
[4:22:28] issues, that was one of the ideas that was brought up.
[4:22:32] Thank you.
[4:22:35] All right, Commissioner Regalado, you recognize?
[4:22:39] Yeah.
[4:22:40] So on 11A-14, I know that there were...
[4:22:46] 11.15. Sorry.
[4:22:47] I haven't done.
[4:22:49] You're not.
[4:22:50] You're not.
[4:22:51] You're not a public commissioner.
[4:22:51] Okay.
[4:22:52] So all right.
[4:22:53] With that, I have a motion by Commissioner Cohen Higgins on 11.15.
[4:22:57] I have a second by Commissioner Lopez.
[4:23:01] All in favor, signify by saying aye.
[4:23:04] Aye.
[4:23:04] All opposed.
[4:23:05] No.
[4:23:06] Show.
[4:23:07] Item 11.15.
[4:23:08] Passed with one.
[4:23:09] No vote.
[4:23:10] All right.
[4:23:10] Now back on 11.14.
[4:23:12] Commissioner from District 7.
[4:23:13] You're recognized.
[4:23:14] Thank you.
[4:23:15] And I want to thank everyone who participated in the Charter Review.
[4:23:18] They were interesting meetings to watch.
[4:23:21] And I know that one of the things that was mentioned was either increase the time or the pay.
[4:23:30] And I wish we would have chosen increase the time.
[4:23:34] And the reason for that is Anita takes 10 years.
[4:23:38] And eight years is really not enough for someone to finalize a large scale project.
[4:23:46] And what's happening to us time and time again is that whenever you're at the end of something, someone hits the reset button.
[4:23:54] I think that the salary on the ballot with proposed property tax reform is a bad look.
[4:24:04] I don't think it helps us, I'm not going to be in support of this, I don't think this is the right time for anyone to raise their salaries, including the Board of County Commissioners.
[4:24:16] I think we all need to tighten our belts, I think it's going to be poorly received, and we need to do everything that we can to reflect that we are conscious of the tremendous need that there is in our community.
[4:24:29] So I'm a no on this.
[4:24:30] All right, I'm gonna not say what I wanted to say.
[4:24:39] I want to say what I want to say.
[4:24:42] Well, I mean, that's a great talking point,
[4:24:44] but we get paid $6,000 a year.
[4:24:46] So I'm happy to accept myself from it moving forward,
[4:24:52] but what's right is right,
[4:24:55] and this is supposed to be a part-time job,
[4:24:58] and it's full time over
[4:25:00] Time, and all the times. So, I don't know. I mean, it's a great firm campaign and all that, but the reality is, you know, it's not realistic.
[4:25:09] So, we're the largest county in the state of Florida. We have a $16,17 billion budget.
[4:25:15] We do. It's not 13 to 14. What's $16,17 million? We have paid $6,000 a year.
[4:25:22] Commissioner Corning, I'm going to recognize you first because you're the sponsoring commissioner from the charter review task force, but we've got a list of folks wanting to speak.
[4:25:31] Thank you, Mr. Chair, and to Mr. Kerbal, the recommendation from the task force regarding the time frame for commissioners, you all recommended that we bring that when.
[4:25:43] We recommend that that come in the next election cycle, so 2028.
[4:25:47] Okay, and that's reflected in the report that's also on the agenda today, correct?
[4:25:50] That is correct, I think.
[4:25:50] So that's coming in the future.
[4:25:53] And I want to be clear regarding the salary commission that was recommended by the charter review of task force.
[4:26:00] It's entirely possible that the Commission can recommend a lower salary, is that correct?
[4:26:04] That is correct.
[4:26:05] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[4:26:06] Commissioner Vermeer is the recognized.
[4:26:08] First of all, I want to thank Mr. Crabel and the Charter Review Commission for taking
[4:26:14] time.
[4:26:15] Because I actually work, I didn't have time to watch your Commission meetings.
[4:26:19] But I thank you very much for taking the time to do public service and come up with this.
[4:26:24] We are not approving a salary increase here.
[4:26:27] we were putting it to the voters.
[4:26:30] The chairman correctly pointed out that most other counties,
[4:26:34] including the one directly to the north,
[4:26:36] which has part-time commissioners, uses population to pay
[4:26:41] themselves and they get a really much,
[4:26:44] I'm not going to talk about what they get,
[4:26:45] because they get a hell of a lot more like 10 times as much.
[4:26:47] But anyways, no, I didn't, 10, probably like 20, 20,
[4:26:50] and they were over 100, 125,000.
[4:26:52] But the point is the fact that this was created
[4:26:55] When we became a homo charter county and it's never changed it's going to be very difficult to pass
[4:27:00] It's a great political talking point nobody wants to get politicians salaries because nobody likes lawyers and politicians and I happen to be both
[4:27:07] So having said that I've won elections because I've been very straightforward
[4:27:13] And I believe that all that's being done is here's to put it to the voters
[4:27:16] It's a lot better to give it to a commission to determine whether it has a commissioner cone. He can said maybe less not even more
[4:27:24] You would never know, be careful what you wish for it, but the one thing that I want to point out is I did not have a chance to hear a commission, but he's because I actually have to work.
[4:27:34] And that is one of the things that the public needs to understand.
[4:27:39] This is a very, as the chairman said, it is a very difficult job, but luminous besides the constituent services. It takes a lot of time.
[4:27:49] Later this afternoon, I'm gonna be in Naranja with some of my colleagues. Yes, I will be there at 6 o'clock
[4:27:58] And I will be there because we will be sitting as the CRA for that community and a lot of times in this county
[4:28:07] It's always
[4:28:09] What sounds good as a sound bite?
[4:28:11] I trust me there was a lot of county commissioners. I don't have to go too far that I maybe didn't like in the past
[4:28:18] But I always felt that they certainly, it wasn't fair.
[4:28:23] As Commissioner Moss once said, you know, all those years in the amount that he technically
[4:28:30] got every year was a minimal amount.
[4:28:32] So I want to thank you guys for the work.
[4:28:34] I'm going to support it because it's being put in front of the voters.
[4:28:37] I want to be clear that nobody here is saying give us a bigger salary, because that's what's
[4:28:41] going to be placed in the paper.
[4:28:42] I want to be clear.
[4:28:43] It's up to the voters to the side, and if the voters decide no, then they'll decide
[4:28:47] I don't know, as they have in the past, which is the true democracy, which is the way
[4:28:52] it should be, okay?
[4:28:55] And that is fine.
[4:28:57] And then probably half of the people who are moved to Broward and run over there because
[4:28:59] a button, I'm not just kidding.
[4:29:01] But the bottom line is it is not, you know, whether it's three terms or two terms.
[4:29:09] A lot of these things will never get done in our time.
[4:29:11] One of the reasons we haven't been able to pass some transportation,
[4:29:17] some of the things
[4:29:17] on transportation that we need to pass is because guess what? As I've said, I had nauseam in 2003,
[4:29:24] there was a smart plan. Everybody liked it. We said here today, 2020, and we're still talking
[4:29:29] about the same thing. So I don't know two terms of three terms will make a difference, but I will tell you this.
[4:29:35] I do think this group of people, and I served not in 2012, where Senator Garcia was the vice chair,
[4:29:45] and HD Smith was a chair, and we proposed many things to the county commission, including many ethical reforms that did not pass.
[4:29:54] But there are certain things that did pass, including term limits.
[4:29:57] So one of the things that is...
[4:30:00] It's still allowed the voters in Miami-Dade County to decide. The chances of a passing are probably
[4:30:07] almost as good as Kate Verde actually winning the World Cup. But the fact is, it's up to the voters.
[4:30:14] And I don't want anybody quoting us as saying that voting for this is an increase in salaries because it's not.
[4:30:21] It's a vote to put it in front of the voters. And by the way, most of us, including me, probably won't be around if it does pass the
[4:30:28] it, you know, the benefits of it.
[4:30:29] So the point is, if there are any, the bottom line is, thank you for your service.
[4:30:36] I served on the Priorit Charter Review Committee with then Senator.
[4:30:40] Well, I guess I still got a com Senator.
[4:30:43] He doesn't know what I want to com later, but that's a different thing.
[4:30:47] The things, I think, I thank you for your time because I know it takes a lot of time and
[4:30:51] a lot of effort.
[4:30:52] And I know you guys were well thought out and went through a very, that's
[4:30:58] call it difficult process and it's not easy to submit these things to the county commission
[4:31:03] and it's not easy for this August body to take a vote putting them to the voters, but
[4:31:08] it's probably our obligation to do it.
[4:31:11] Yeah, and I'll now know before I recognize Commissioner Gilbert, thank you Dennis for leading
[4:31:14] the efforts in this try to read your task force as a good point and the vice chair, but
[4:31:18] the vice chair was redundant, right?
[4:31:20] That's correct.
[4:31:21] My appointment speaker does it for the Florida House, so both very busy folks and you all
[4:31:26] of your time in addition to a lot of the charter review task force members that participate
[4:31:31] in it.
[4:31:32] So thank you all for your time on this.
[4:31:34] This is something that we do every several years, and it's very important for our county.
[4:31:39] So I appreciate that.
[4:31:39] Thank you, Mr. and Gilbert.
[4:31:42] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[4:31:43] It's my understanding.
[4:31:43] This is going to go on the ballot in 2028.
[4:31:47] The ones we're discussing are now.
[4:31:48] There was a question about term limits being extended and that will be on the ballot in 2028.
[4:31:55] All of these are going to be all about it this year.
[4:31:58] I don't have an Jackson-Soletti in the Voters side.
[4:32:03] I don't know, but I'm Jackson-Letti Voters side.
[4:32:06] What we did in Miami Gardens, my city, is our charter was actually modeled after the county's
[4:32:13] charter on salaries, and we put salaries in the charter.
[4:32:18] On my way out, I actually sponsored the item so that it would affect them, not because
[4:32:23] I need it more money, but I need it to structurally make leadership and public service available
[4:32:27] to more people.
[4:32:29] So we had this conversation because we have it in the context of the people who are here and
[4:32:38] we're all elected officials who are politicians right now.
[4:32:42] I think about it and I was thinking about it when I left Miami Gardens in terms of the
[4:32:47] people who could serve. So realistically, could folks who aren't professional and have an independent
[4:32:55] source of income afford to serve. Could teachers really just really afford to serve on this
[4:33:04] accounts or could some blue collar workers could out those are things that I asked myself.
[4:33:10] And so when we look at the type of public servants that we have,
[4:33:15] it's in large part, it's dictated by the framework of public service that we create.
[4:33:22] And so I wanted to give the voters of Miami Gardens an opportunity to actually have their say on it.
[4:33:32] independently had their say it and in the in the entrance what I did was I went out with a
[4:33:37] camera and I asked people questions I said how much do you think the mirror makes and we got
[4:33:43] all of these wonderful answers it was like $300,000 and $400,000 and when you would say back then
[4:33:50] that you would say it was $42,000 and they were all completely shocked and I said how much do you
[4:33:56] think a city council person makes and they would say $100,000 dollars and then when you
[4:34:03] told them it was $1000 a month they were all shocked. That was the entirety of the campaign.
[4:34:11] I didn't ask them to vote for anything. I just simply took campaign money and educated them.
[4:34:22] This is what actually happens. This is what they actually made. I don't know what the voters will
[4:34:28] if we put this before them. I do know that somewhere somehow we have to make public service
[4:34:36] more accessible to people who aren't professional or independently wealthy or entrepreneurs who
[4:34:46] can take the time off, we have to make this full-time job have a full-time compensation so that
[4:34:56] The vast majority of the residents of Miami-Day County.
[4:35:00] It actually becomes accessible to them. And so right now I don't feel like that it is. And, you know, we'll sit here and we talk about a lot of our, we pass union contracts all the time. As yourself, could a lot of the members of United here actually afford to be a county commission and with the time that it takes.
[4:35:24] And the money that it pays, and their obligations still to their families.
[4:35:31] Those are the questions I asked myself when I consider these.
[4:35:35] When I did it in Miami Gardens, I did it in my way out so it wouldn't affect me.
[4:35:39] This won't affect me either.
[4:35:42] I'm very comfortable putting this to the voters.
[4:35:44] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[4:35:46] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[4:35:49] I have a question for Dennis Dennis.
[4:35:50] How was the genesis of this item in the commission?
[4:35:53] I'm just curious.
[4:35:55] So one of the topics that we had set out at the beginning to discuss was Commission salaries.
[4:36:03] For exactly the reasons is Commissioner Gilbert and Commissioner Bermuda's have articulated
[4:36:07] and the chair.
[4:36:09] Just a concern about making sure that it was possible for people to serve people from a broad variety.
[4:36:18] And so then the question just became how to achieve that.
[4:36:21] We knew that having the number in the charter was a problem, but replacing a number with a number was a problem.
[4:36:28] We looked at formulas, and then Commissioner Moss is actually the one who was the genesis of this idea of, let's create a process.
[4:36:40] And that got the consensus among the task force members that this, if we replace the number with a process, that might be more palatable with the voters,
[4:36:50] especially given the composition of the salary commission as people who don't have an interest in
[4:36:57] things that this board may do. So financially anyway. So it was in keeping with what Commissioner
[4:37:04] Gilbert said that there was concern that not just anyone could serve as a commissioner because of the
[4:37:11] $6,000 annual salary. Yes. Interesting. And was there consensus on the commission? I believe this
[4:37:19] passed unanimously. Once we coalesced around the idea of the salary commission.
[4:37:25] What was their public input regarding this particular issue?
[4:37:30] We had numerous public meetings. I think we have recorded what public comments there were.
[4:37:34] Every meeting was public and we occasionally had speakers. I don't specifically remember that.
[4:37:38] Do you recall anyone opposing the idea of a salary commission?
[4:37:42] No. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Chairman.
[4:37:44] Thank you Mr. Chairman, I don't doubt anything that Commissioner Gilbert said, and you said it's what I like what I think absolutely right.
[4:37:54] If we want to have more people interested in running, and I think we need to make sure that they're compensated appropriately.
[4:38:03] However, when we decided to run this port decided to run, we knew what the compensation package was.
[4:38:08] So I think I have no problem for it going to the voters, however, it should be something
[4:38:15] should not be self-serving.
[4:38:17] And for me, when would this go into effect?
[4:38:22] This one is drafted would go into effect immediately upon being adopted.
[4:38:28] All right, so the only way that I would be able to support something like this is if it does
[4:38:32] not go into effect until after the current board is no longer here, because I just find it
[4:38:38] that will self-serving for us to vote for something, and I said, it goes to the voters.
[4:38:44] I get it.
[4:38:45] I understand Commissioner Ramirez and I understand everyone's debate, but it needs to
[4:38:49] be something that should not affect me or anyone on this board because we, when we ran
[4:38:55] for office, we ran with the understanding of what we were building compensated for.
[4:39:00] So that's the, that's the only objection to the item, and I hate to vote against an item
[4:39:05] because it does go to the border, I think we should never take the borders right away,
[4:39:10] but I also don't think it should be anything that should be self-serving. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[4:39:14] All right. Commissioner, were the vice chair? No? No. Commissioner, thank you.
[4:39:21] Thank you. I have a question, Dennis. You know, you had the two issues and the reason that you all suggested that the term limits
[4:39:32] should go later is so that it wouldn't apply to us, right?
[4:39:36] So I'm glad that that was one of the conversations was the applicability.
[4:39:43] I maintain that we should consider putting term limits and then having it apply to the next round of humans.
[4:39:52] I think we could still do that.
[4:39:55] And I agree with Senator Garcia,
[4:39:58] that the
[4:40:00] It's interesting that the logic that was used on the term limits was the Board of County Commissioners should not put something on the ballot that would extend their time on the Board of County Commissioners, but yet when it came to the salary, because you created another entity that would in theory make the decision, then it was perfectly fine for us to put something on the ballot that would adhere to our benefit. I don't think either of them should adhere to our benefit. I think that that really does change the very nature.
[4:40:30] of charter reform, I think that anything that we change
[4:40:34] should be moving forward and to the senator's point,
[4:40:39] we all ran with a clear understanding
[4:40:41] of what the benefits and the timing was.
[4:40:45] So in terms of the term limits,
[4:40:48] why did you all make the recommendation
[4:40:50] to have that during the presidential?
[4:40:52] Because the other thing here is,
[4:40:54] what questions are going to go in a gubernatorial,
[4:40:56] and what questions are going to go in a presidential?
[4:40:59] So, we weren't thinking of it, at least from the discussion on our day, it's about
[4:41:04] gubernatorial or presidential.
[4:41:06] It was more, which one did we think should go first and which one should we think should
[4:41:10] go second?
[4:41:11] We were just certain that they shouldn't both be on the same ballot.
[4:41:15] And if I could just add a little context on the difference of why one wouldn't apply right
[4:41:24] away and this one would.
[4:41:25] When we first started this discussion before we co-heared around the salary commission,
[4:41:30] the conversation had been, it shouldn't apply to anyone who's currently sitting.
[4:41:35] We had some discussions, but then when it became a process with independent board members or
[4:41:43] commissioners who could also take into account what your current packages are in deciding
[4:41:48] what the salary should be, we didn't think it was as significant.
[4:41:54] knowing that it would ultimately be up to this board about whether you thought it was significant to say,
[4:41:59] it will apply to immediately or should be deferred to a later effective date.
[4:42:06] But that was part of the discussion.
[4:42:08] Thank you.
[4:42:09] So I want to call a vote.
[4:42:16] But here's the problem to Commissioner Bermuda's point
[4:42:23] about sound bites.
[4:42:26] Unfortunately, those that report the sound bites often don't do due diligence.
[4:42:32] They don't put in the work for lack of better terms, they're often lazy.
[4:42:39] You know, it's easy, yeah, I'm talking about, he's one of the ones I'm talking about.
[4:42:43] Here's the thing.
[4:42:44] It's easy to say that, that they shouldn't apply to me.
[4:42:49] I would support it, but the reality is that before my time on the board, I don't know, four
[4:42:55] years ago or so, it was a night among this board that passed, to increase benefits, to
[4:43:04] commissioners, and some that are still sitting on this board, voted no on it, but took
[4:43:09] the benefits. You could opt out of them. So the same thing applies to this very charter.
[4:43:17] If you don't want it to apply to yourself, opt out. But don't just give a sound by it,
[4:43:23] because that's what's going to be tweeted about or written about or you can go and say,
[4:43:29] I didn't support it. No, you did support it because you took the money.
[4:43:35] You know, some of us may actually not take the money because we have other businesses. We don't
[4:43:40] need it. But if you took it and there's no difference.
[4:43:46] So I understand the sound bites from some
[4:43:48] colleagues, but some of them were on this board at that time four or five years ago,
[4:43:54] four and a half years ago. It was right before I got on the board and
[4:43:58] voted no and then still took it. So I appreciate it, but I'm with Bermuda's on this
[4:44:05] is let the voters decide and with the task force and what Gilbert and what the lot of them
[4:44:09] let the voters decide what they want to do with our compensation and then it doesn't even
[4:44:16] And there, then it goes to another task force or another committee that has not interested
[4:44:25] parties to decide what is the most fair compensation package for the elected officials
[4:44:31] that represent over 2.8 million residents, the largest county in the state of Florida with
[4:44:38] the lowest salary.
[4:44:41] That does a lot of things that we're not talking about on this day is.
[4:44:44] It incentivizes elected officials to have sidegigs, it incentivizes elected officials to be consultants,
[4:44:54] and it incentivizes a lot of other things that shall they have.
[4:45:00] We have a reasonable appropriate salary. They may just stick to what they're doing. And focus on that. So I feel passionate about this, because I'm with Gilbert. I think we need to open up the pool of candidates to be able to qualify and be able to take on a role this magnitude to the very same workers and caliber of folks that he just brought up.
[4:45:26] The blue collar, the teachers,
[4:45:31] a lot of very well-educated folks
[4:45:33] That otherwise could not afford to sit on this day is not all own businesses like myself
[4:45:41] Not all have other jobs like others here, and they cannot afford it if it's not for that
[4:45:46] So I understand this is not on one particular person or the other, but the reality is is if you don't agree with it
[4:45:54] If you don't agree with the voters, I mean, it's almost hypocritical, let the voters decide.
[4:46:00] And you're right, Commissioner Vermut is, it may not pass.
[4:46:04] It just may not pass, because the rhetoric is going to be, here the commissioners trying to give themselves a raise.
[4:46:12] But if someone took the time or the effort or the investment to do the campaign that Commissioner Gilbert did in Miami Gardens
[4:46:19] and folks realized that we don't get paid a thousand dollars a month,
[4:46:23] that we get paid five hundred dollars a month managing the largest local budget in the entire
[4:46:29] state of Florida and larger than what 22 to 24 different states, something like that.
[4:46:35] So we're larger, we have a larger budget than 20 somewhat different states in the entire country.
[4:46:41] I think they would think differently about that rhetoric of the commissioners and the politicians
[4:46:47] are trying to give themselves a raise.
[4:46:51] I disagree with those folks that spoke against it because
[4:46:54] this is leaving it up to the voters to the side. Commissioner Bastien and then Steinbrie.
[4:47:03] I was listening to you guys and I have news for you. Very few people believe that we only
[4:47:09] six thousand dollars a year. Very few. And I agree with Commissioner Gilbert on this because
[4:47:19] not only that we need to make sure we open the doors for other folks and Commissioner Gilbert
[4:47:26] mentioned teachers, organizers and all, but we forgot the young leaders. Look at this young
[4:47:35] I mean, we would like to create a space where they would decide to become a commissioner.
[4:47:43] We need young voices, we need to open spaces for young voices.
[4:47:47] I'm comfortable with the fact that the voters will decide, but I believe also that there has to be some real education.
[4:47:55] Because I'm telling you, I'm serious.
[4:47:57] When that type of people, oh, Commissioner, you're making all this money, they really believe that we make a lot of money, like $100,000 a year.
[4:48:08] So there has to be some kind of outreach and education, and then to make sure that the voters, when they go to vote, they know what they're voting for.
[4:48:16] Because right now, most of the people that they all, but what I make, they don't believe me.
[4:48:22] They don't believe me. 6000 dollars a year, that's true. They don't believe it.
[4:48:25] So I'm comfortable with the fact that the voters will decide that we they have to be educated they have to be informed so out
[4:48:32] Which will be play an important role. Thank you so much
[4:48:35] Thank you commissioner commissioner Steinberg. Yeah, I just want to clarity just so for to put it into posture
[4:48:41] This is not about any sort of salary. This is just about taking the ability in the charter today for the people to vote on
[4:48:51] whatever salary would be and putting it in an independent separate commission, right?
[4:48:56] None of this other stuff I just want to make clear. Is that correct?
[4:49:02] Correct.
[4:49:03] Okay, I will remain a note. Thank you.
[4:49:05] All right. Anyone else?
[4:49:07] Seeing none, actually all in favour, signify by say aye.
[4:49:11] All opposed nay?
[4:49:13] Show the item pass with a couple nays, but show the item pass.
[4:49:18] All right, you got them? All right.
[4:49:19] 11, 8, 16.
[4:49:22] I got Commissioner from District 4 and Commissioner from District 8.
[4:49:26] Commissioner from District 4, you recognize?
[4:49:28] Still no vote.
[4:49:29] I mean, I know you're I'd like to defer first to the Commissioner who's sponsored the
[4:49:33] I know.
[4:49:34] Commissioner from District 4, you recognize?
[4:49:35] Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you Commissioner Steinberg.
[4:49:37] I do have a brief amendment to the item that hopefully will address potentially Commissioner
[4:49:42] Steinberg's concerns or any others if the attorney complies with the amendment.
[4:49:47] You can read the amendment.
[4:49:48] Mr. Chair, Commissioner Cohen Higgins moves to amend item.
[4:49:51] 11A-16 so that if approved by a majority of voters the proposed changes the section 6.08 of the
[4:49:57] home rule charter shown an attachment A would take-
[4:50:00] Take effect on June 1st, 2027, rather than immediately following the 2026 general election. The county attorney is here
[4:50:06] by directed to make any conforming changes to the resolution, ballot language, and amendment aid necessary
[4:50:11] to legally effectuate this delayed effective date.
[4:50:15] Thank you. And that amendment came at the request of the League of Cities indicating that
[4:50:20] apparently certain dates had already been published for their upcoming municipal elections. And so
[4:50:25] we wanted to amend it to allow it to have a later start date so they wouldn't have to republish
[4:50:29] those election date. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I move 11, A, 16.
[4:50:36] Okay, it's been moved. It's been seconded as amended.
[4:50:39] Okay, I'd like to.
[4:50:41] Oh, and then, Stimer, you're recognized.
[4:50:42] Thank you.
[4:50:44] So, we're dealing with, I think, one of the most important questions,
[4:50:50] because this is going to come up more often as we have term limits,
[4:50:53] and I think this actually is a great item.
[4:50:56] So I want to commend Dennis and everybody who worked on the board, on the task force for the
[4:51:03] charter review committee, our charter is the most important thing that we, and you'll see
[4:51:07] this is that I pulled a lot of these items because I feel like it does require the time,
[4:51:12] only because this is the most important document that we have, the charter is very important,
[4:51:16] the only way to change a charter is by a vote of the people.
[4:51:20] So we need to make sure that we're really being thought full and what we put forward.
[4:51:23] And in this case, I think this is a really great example of giving the commission flexibility to actually allow for a filling of a vacancy with an election, right?
[4:51:33] This is a wonderful piece of of item to put forward.
[4:51:39] Having said that, I wanted to get a little clarity because I love the amendment that you make commissioner Cohen Higgins.
[4:51:46] But there are some other cities that get caught in this, and look, the truth is this is really
[4:51:51] The spirit of the resigned to run law from the state, right?
[4:51:55] It gives us the ability to actually make this determination
[4:51:59] Prior at the right time so that we can piggyback and existing election as opposed to having it come up at some other time
[4:52:05] And then we're left with, you know, less options right this gives us flexibility. We can still appoint if we want to but it does give us the ability to have an election
[4:52:13] But because you have municipalities that also have elections in odd years, which really I think this would cover, I was wondering if you all would be amenable to just striking the language of the qualifying period date, so that it truly aligns, so that we're not tied into changing 30 other municipal charters who may have their qualifying date changed.
[4:52:37] So that it still stays with the spirit of the item, but without having any sort of unintended
[4:52:44] consequence of all the other charters of the municipalities that may not have been thought of.
[4:52:50] So would you Commissioner Cohen Higgins be amenable?
[4:52:53] It doesn't change any of the item except it strikes out the conforming of the 70 to 84.
[4:52:59] What is the language again if you could please?
[4:53:03] Sure, Commissioner Steinberg, your proposed amendment would be to amend item 11-16 to eliminate the minimum municipal qualifying standards and remove the corresponding changes to Section 6.08 of the Home Road Charter shown in Attachment A.
[4:53:16] And the reason I say this, right? And the reason I say this is because my only concern is that we're still going to have a situation.
[4:53:23] I'll use one of the cities I represent. They have their elections in November of 2027. They're qualifying is in September.
[4:53:30] This would move them to an august qualifying, okay?
[4:53:35] So what happens if a commissioner wants to,
[4:53:38] or anybody wants to run maybe Miami?
[4:53:40] We had a situation with Miami recently.
[4:53:42] There's wasn't aligned with our qualifying from when they submit the note.
[4:53:48] That would make it so that now their qualifying is going to be an august,
[4:53:52] because if you have an November election based on our guidelines,
[4:53:56] we would have to force them to have their qualifying in august,
[4:53:59] which might work for some.
[4:54:01] But then we're going to have to have a special meeting in August,
[4:54:04] which I'm happy to do.
[4:54:05] I just want everybody to know what the domino effect of that could be.
[4:54:09] I want to make it easier for us to be able to fill within the election,
[4:54:13] but I want to make sure that we do it with that in our four front.
[4:54:19] All right, so I'm totally confused.
[4:54:23] I mean, truthfully, that's the question.
[4:54:25] All right, all right.
[4:54:26] This is totally cool.
[4:54:27] Listen, if I may miss your chair, my question is, because now I'm very confused, is it
[4:54:34] our job to make sure that somebody in a municipality wants to run for one of these positions
[4:54:39] is protected?
[4:54:40] I don't think so with all due respect to the League of Cities, Commissioner Gilbert and
[4:54:43] I have been president of the League of Cities, I don't think it's our job, personally.
[4:54:48] Number two, I'm going to support the amendment because there seems to be a reason to
[4:54:52] He can spoken to Commissioner Cohen Higgins, but, I mean, this is basically saying if...
[4:55:01] And unfortunately, or fortunately, some of you have been here that have been appointed. Some of you have not. Some of us have not. That's the way it goes. But in the long run, this will lead to this body, saying, okay, there's going to be an election within a certain time period as I understand it. How does this bringing to, is there somebody wanting cities that I don't know that wants to run? Are any of you leaving? Can you please let me know before you do this, so I can leave with you? I mean, really, truthfully, because it's a real thing.
[4:55:30] It's really confusing to me, I don't understand how we got into this municipal aspect of it.
[4:55:38] No, I think the impetus is that there were many different items that they found over the years that they've been able to fix
[4:55:46] in terms of filling a vacancy. One thing that was overlooked was filling a vacancy.
[4:55:50] And I want to speak for the sponsor for the board and maybe Dennis you want to kind of give us some of the background.
[4:55:55] But, but it's to give us before when you submitted your irrevocable letter of resignation and if you were running for an election that didn't line up with our even your elections,
[4:56:08] we weren't able to call a timely election to piggyback on what was happening.
[4:56:13] Okay? This gives us the flexibility to be able to do that. So this is a good piece of blood of an amendment. This is a good amendment.
[4:56:21] Having said that, taking a closer look, I thought, well, maybe perhaps we want to take
[4:56:27] away another impediment of when those qualifying dates for others would be, it's just
[4:56:31] if we fill a vacancy here, right?
[4:56:33] It's just to fill the vacancy here.
[4:56:35] But you know, it's fine if you want to keep it with the effective date, but maybe Dennis
[4:56:38] you can give us some clarity.
[4:56:41] Yes, Commissioner.
[4:56:43] So this slight of amendments was actually occasioned by an occurrence during our deliberations,
[4:56:51] which was the city of Miami elections and then the appointment on this side and there were discussions
[4:56:57] about how to handle that for the future to make sure that there was time for the county
[4:57:02] commission should it want to call an election rather than an appointment that it would have
[4:57:06] time to line it up with the election that was already going rather than have to do it at a special
[4:57:11] date. So this was a reaction to to an occurrence and by the way do credit to Irish
[4:57:21] of Skara, who was the one who led these amendments.
[4:57:26] Since I've been giving credit to other task force members.
[4:57:30] And this was a package.
[4:57:32] These two work together to make sure that this board has the ability
[4:57:39] to call an election that is aligned with the already scheduled general
[4:57:44] election, which was unable to be done with the city of Miami as
[4:57:49] And I don't know, I know the supervisor's counsel is here if you have questions that you want to direct to them.
[4:57:55] They had some more technical input on it, but that was the genesis of it.
[4:57:59] So it was very much a package deal.
[4:58:01] Oh, question?
[4:58:02] All right.
[4:58:03] So we got that.
[4:58:03] All right, commissioner, vermutes.
[4:58:06] Yeah, okay.
[4:58:07] Now I understand.
[4:58:08] But, you know, again, cities have their own charters.
[4:58:11] I just want to be clear.
[4:58:13] And if anybody in immunisapality, it is not our responsibility to change their charter.
[4:58:19] is the citizens of those cities, as they did in Miami Gardens, as they did in throughout the
[4:58:23] chains or charter, after the fact, if they so choose through the voters and just one last thing.
[4:58:32] Mr. Steinberg, the most important part of our charter, I believe the citizens' bill of rights
[4:58:38] being one of the few lawyers that successfully sued the county over the citizens' bill of rights.
[4:58:42] I think that's the most important part of this charter, and it gives citizens 10, 10 points that are very clear in that they can use the charter when they have a question about the way this body or the mayor operates.
[4:58:56] To me, that's the most important part of the charter.
[4:59:00] All right, so we have it moved by Commissioner Koenigens as amended.
[4:59:05] We have a second by Commissioner, it was amended.
[4:59:08] amended it.
[4:59:11] She amended it to change the effective date.
[4:59:14] Correct. So it was moved by you but as amended seconded by Commissioner
[4:59:19] Bermuda's. All in we good. All in favor signified by say and I.
[4:59:23] Aye. All opposed nay. Show that item passed.
[4:59:27] All right. 11. A 17. I have Steinberg.
[4:59:31] Rigolato and Garcia. Let's start with Steinberg.
[4:59:38] And by the way, I will say they're both important documents.
[4:59:42] I agree.
[4:59:42] I said one of not the, all right.
[4:59:46] Which one is this one?
[4:59:47] An excatience.
[4:59:48] Ah, yes.
[4:59:49] Okay.
[4:59:50] So, this one I thought was very interesting.
[4:59:54] I can't support it in its form to be placed on the charter for a few reasons.
[4:59:58] One is...
[5:00:00] That we have currently a planning zone, that deals with these issues already. So now we're going to create another board to deal with this. And then it's going to happen every three years.
[5:00:16] And sometimes I feel like some of these things come up before three years cycles and that we want to have these discussions.
[5:00:22] And then there's another issue that I feel that now we're also giving weight to maybe some property owners that, by the way, should have a stake in this, but we're taking away more of the resident voice by putting it in this manner.
[5:00:38] And so I don't know that I can support something that's going to, in my mind, weaken some of the residential voices on whether or not they want annexations or, you know,
[5:00:49] And by the way, today we do it by ordinance.
[5:00:52] This goes into the charter.
[5:00:53] If we ever want to change this, again,
[5:00:56] it has to go back out to the people to change it.
[5:00:58] We don't have that flexibility to see where we want to go
[5:01:03] in terms of these issues.
[5:01:05] So for those reasons, I can't support it in this form.
[5:01:08] Thank you.
[5:01:09] Commissioner from District 7, you recognize?
[5:01:14] I think that to Mickey's point, the situation with the annexation
[5:01:19] and it's already complicated enough,
[5:01:20] feel like we're doing like another thing.
[5:01:23] And I've said this before.
[5:01:25] If we want to do a moratorium, the two of moratorium,
[5:01:27] if you want to change rules, change rules,
[5:01:29] but creating yet another thing
[5:01:31] that's going to further complicate this situation.
[5:01:35] Again, we had this issue before term limits
[5:01:38] where these things lingered for like years and years.
[5:01:41] This just seems to me to be another way
[5:01:44] to further complicate this situation.
[5:01:46] So I'm gonna know on this one.
[5:01:48] Thank you for that commissioner from Senator.
[5:01:54] Thank you, Mr. Commissioner for the same reasons.
[5:01:57] I think that when we look at annexation,
[5:02:02] I think the process is complicated enough.
[5:02:06] We have safeguards and hurdles in place.
[5:02:09] This is just adding even more hurdles,
[5:02:11] making it more difficult for municipalities to try to annex.
[5:02:15] So, I, too, think that this is an overreach and putting this into the charter will make
[5:02:20] it even that much more difficult for municipalities to try to create annexation.
[5:02:26] So, I, A, too, will be a no on this one.
[5:02:28] Thank you, Senator.
[5:02:29] I have a commissioner from District 6.
[5:02:33] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[5:02:34] I have a question for Dennis.
[5:02:35] How are you?
[5:02:36] What was the rationale from the task force for removing it from the planning advice report
[5:02:40] and creating the separate boundary commission?
[5:02:43] The Planning Advisory Board already has a lot of responsibilities and so the idea was have one body that is charged with giving a comprehensive review of whatever's pending.
[5:02:53] And we went through different iterations of how long the cycle should be, but the idea was to have one body that's experienced with the boundary change procedures and the incorporation procedures and issues.
[5:03:08] to look at it county-wide to be able to say, okay, maybe it makes sense to move here, maybe not here, once you balance it out.
[5:03:16] And that should be done on a three-year cycle, so that this board can get a comprehensive report of everything that's pending.
[5:03:25] Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
[5:03:26] I have Commissioner. I'm district 12.
[5:03:33] Then I'm going to one and then the vice chair.
[5:03:36] Mr. Chair, thank you, I was going into this, but Commissioner Steinberg has convinced me to
[5:03:44] go on the other direction with her, with her points.
[5:03:49] Let me tell you, and Commissioner Orbis, correct with pointed out, you know, why replacing
[5:03:55] the plane advisory board.
[5:03:56] When I was mayor to rather plane advisory board, voted six to one to either not incorporate
[5:04:02] or to move forward and let the two cities do get out in the county then give the owners
[5:04:10] an opportunity to at least weigh in and I appreciate Commissioner Regalada who came
[5:04:14] actually came up with an ordinance subsequent to that that at least took a non-binding poll
[5:04:20] of a the business owners because at that point the city of Sweetwater which was growing by
[5:04:26] like more than double its size, took over the largest commercial area that the money
[5:04:33] went directly to this county, it includes the limoombo. So, I don't know, in
[5:04:41] dentists, you have a great committee, I agree with probably everything else, but
[5:04:46] this one the more I think about it and the more I hear my colleagues, I got to be
[5:04:50] honest with you, I think that this body, when you were here as an attorney,
[5:04:55] on many occasions going back as far as 2002 had looked.
[5:05:00] That full incorporation of the county. But to have municipalities cherry pick the remainder of the parts of the county, that provide sources, let's say blue lagoon, for example, it's not in my district, but the Commissioner Orbison District. Largest corporate park, that we have. And then what if the city of Miami, which did try at one point to make it part of the city of Miami, I think the PAV can handle it.
[5:05:29] They're not that busy, they didn't appear to be that busy.
[5:05:32] Abby remembers, she's back there somewhere, that they weren't that busy to, you know,
[5:05:39] to make decisions on other things.
[5:05:41] So I think that, you know, the real frank discussion we should have at some point is what
[5:05:45] type of county do you want to be?
[5:05:47] Is it half unincorporated and half incorporated?
[5:05:52] Or, and by the way, this whole boat in November may eliminate cities.
[5:05:57] We may have to take them over.
[5:06:00] The reverse may happen.
[5:06:02] They may actually cease to exist because they cannot function and provide for the security
[5:06:08] of the people in that area and you know who's going to be responsible is going to be us.
[5:06:13] So I'm going to agree with my colleagues and I'm going to be on no on this one just because
[5:06:17] I think if we ever talk about annexations and incorporations and all this wonderful thing,
[5:06:22] we need to have a real, frank discussion.
[5:06:25] And I want to say what nobody ever wants to say, the biggest city that's not a city is Kendall.
[5:06:33] And if Kendall ever incorporates, the gig is over, this county's going to have to really deal with just regional-wide issues.
[5:06:41] That's it.
[5:06:42] Not going to happen.
[5:06:44] I've heard that I'm not going to have it, but what I'm trying to say is that that's the reality.
[5:06:48] And sometimes we sit here because, I mean, really, it brings headaches to all of us to a certain extent.
[5:06:55] And I agreed with what Commissioner now Ambassador Cabera proposed because the business owners don't have a say and they own properties.
[5:07:06] The business owners don't have a say and in some cases, by the way, including in Sweetwater, it just want to be clear.
[5:07:12] The millage rate goes up higher than another municipality and I represent Sweetwater, so I'm happy for them, God bless them.
[5:07:20] But, okay, when we make these decisions, it impacts people who own businesses and most that live in this county.
[5:07:30] And just because their business owners, small, intermediate and large, does not make it right to disregard their point of view.
[5:07:39] The last time when the example I gave you happened, it was disregarded to PAB, it was disregarded because the chairman was not one of my mayors.
[5:07:49] want it this and sweet water. That's all that happened. It was nothing else. Sorry, Abby.
[5:07:54] I'd bring back bad memories for you. But the bottom line is let's be frank with the people
[5:08:00] when we talk about these things. I'm going to be a no because I think if we want to talk
[5:08:04] about annexation and corporations, let's sit down and talk about what type of county do we want.
[5:08:10] Are we going to be like other counties like Broward that has full incorporation? Practically,
[5:08:15] 99.99% or are we going to be like, we are, which is the exception to the rule, which might
[5:08:22] have been really hip back in the 1960s, but it is now.
[5:08:25] So the bottom line to me is, and by the way, the rest of the state, and you can correct me,
[5:08:31] Commissioner Lopez, since you were there, the rest of the state doesn't go through
[5:08:34] incorporation through its commission.
[5:08:38] That's not the way it works.
[5:08:40] We're the only county that ever created mitigation.
[5:08:43] Yes, I remember.
[5:08:44] I haven't forgotten, Dennis, mitigation, I like you, but I haven't forgotten.
[5:08:47] Mitigation, we created all these other rules, and I think that, you know, I think it's
[5:08:54] important to when we talk about an issue like annexations and incorporation that there's
[5:08:59] not a confusion because I'm going to tell you what the citizens of some of these cities are
[5:09:02] going to say.
[5:09:03] And they're going to use it politically by the way, some of the mayors of these cities.
[5:09:06] They're going to say, oh, we want that part.
[5:09:08] We want, we want, we want that wonderful area that Commissioner Orbus represents, that's the largest corporate park that the county still had remaining with offices.
[5:09:18] And what are you going to say this?
[5:09:19] This is the city of Miami, probably I'm going to say, well, a little coral gables for us.
[5:09:22] You can't do this.
[5:09:23] I know, I know, I know you're going to say no, but I'm just saying that you don't need those headaches because it's an unfair analysis of the issue.
[5:09:32] Because nobody's asking, what about the survival of the county that provides the service to
[5:09:39] All of the residents of Miami-Dade County. So I'm gonna vote no
[5:09:43] Make a you convince me
[5:09:45] But this it is a bill of rights is still more important
[5:09:50] Yes, so all right, I have hold on. I'm gonna add you to the list commissioner, but I've got district one and
[5:09:58] Then I have the vice chair and then
[5:10:01] I'm just doing some rough, first of all, if the people took my left, because stop talking. I see airport people over there. Your airport items are gone. If you all cannot be quiet in the chambers, leave the chambers.
[5:10:20] Can we do that?
[5:10:24] Mr. Chair, the rough count would seem like there are a lot of noes on this item. If we could just collect this dead horse die, I'm going with that.
[5:10:35] Let's share everybody that's pending, all right. So it's been moved by Senator Garcia, seconded by Commissioner Lopez just for a vote purpose all in, are you good with that, byster?
[5:10:48] Like just calling the vote all in favor signify by say and I all I mean, it's not to kill it. It's a vote. You could kill it to pass it right now. It's the pass it. All of if you're in favor of approving the item signify by say and I
[5:11:03] I, I'll oppose nay, the names have it, so this try to review Task Force item does not exist.
[5:11:11] It's not moved forward.
[5:11:13] Just as a as a point of personal privilege on this, I think that we should all consider some of the things that were mentioned here,
[5:11:21] because for example, instead, and we've talked about this before, JC obviously gets very triggered when we talk about this issue,
[5:11:26] but we've talked about how the applications
[5:11:29] should speak to the broader issue and not just the area
[5:11:33] and the fiscal impact.
[5:11:34] And I can tell you, when South Miami came
[5:11:37] with an application that they wanted to take deadline,
[5:11:39] I said no.
[5:11:40] So there's, I think we need to take some of these ideas
[5:11:43] and maybe incorporate them into our process.
[5:11:46] Yeah, I think that's fair.
[5:11:48] All right, thank you, Dennis.
[5:11:50] Thank you, Dennis, for a lot of appreciate it.
[5:11:52] All right, and then 11, 8, 20,
[5:11:54] Um, I want to take on motion on 11.20.
[5:11:59] It's this it chart a review.
[5:12:01] I haven't I have a motion by Commissioner Conegan, seconded by Commissioner Orbus.
[5:12:06] You're recognized, uh, D seven.
[5:12:09] Thank you.
[5:12:10] I have a friendly amendment that I think might help.
[5:12:13] Um, so in my prior life as a school board member, um, I worked on advertising at our schools.
[5:12:19] And one of the biggest complaints that Miami-Dade County Public Schools receives
[5:12:24] And that I still receive as a county commissioner are the horrible banners that the school district puts around the schools. Everybody hates them. I was against them. I tried to limit them while I was there and it is a constant issue.
[5:12:39] I appreciate that we're going to do some advertising in our parks because we want to increase revenue.
[5:12:46] But I do not want to have those banners around the parks that we see at our school district.
[5:12:55] So I don't, it doesn't speak to it. It's very broad.
[5:12:59] So I wonder if there's something that we can amend to ensure that that doesn't happen.
[5:13:05] Yeah, so I agree. I can't stand it. The all offenses in my district.
[5:13:08] I don't know if it's an unincorporated thing or it happens everywhere. It's ridiculous.
[5:13:13] So that was something that actually discussed with the attorneys to add in here, purposely left it out to have it as a matter of policy of this board once that once it gets if it gets approved by the borders.
[5:13:26] So as a matter of policy this board, you know, this is just to open up so that the advertisement could exist.
[5:13:32] Really the intent is digital is not banners. I don't want full of banners. It irks me.
[5:13:37] But I wanted to be a matter of policy of this board of what's allowed, what's not, maybe we could limit sizes
[5:13:42] We don't want to completely say that you can't put a small little banner somewhere, and you know, if it makes sense
[5:13:48] I appreciate that, but I think people will vote against this if that is not clarified because so many people hate the banners around the schools
[5:13:56] That I think when they see parks and advertising that's gonna come up and while I appreciate that we do the policy afterwards
[5:14:03] I think it's gonna hurt its ability to pass
[5:14:05] I mean look, I'm again, I was part of something I discussed with the attorneys and then we opted to take it out
[5:14:11] I'm not entirely opposed to it. I don't want to limit something that I certainly want to limit a thousand banners on offense
[5:14:20] That I do want to limit but I don't want to limit the put the potential of
[5:14:24] One banner or two banners at a baseball field if they're sponsoring a game or something like that for that. So that
[5:14:31] By putting it in the charter, I think it it kind of prohibits us from
[5:14:35] That type of policy. I'm with you on the intent of what you're saying. I just don't know that we want to tie the hands of
[5:14:44] Potential income my friendly amendment would be just to speak to the fencing and maybe a percentage because I wouldn't I would I would here
[5:14:54] Do you have something drafted?
[5:14:56] No, but I mean because if there is fencing, you know what there would be
[5:15:00] Like you can't cover more than 25% of the funds. So that way you could put a banner, but you
[5:15:05] don't can't wrap a park. The issue is the wrap a park. I'm I'm I'm fine with that. That'll be your
[5:15:11] friendly amendment. That in the, listen, I don't want banners at all. I mean, I would still like. So I guess
[5:15:16] here's a question. If we do that, can we still as matter of policy of this board come back later
[5:15:23] and say we don't want any banners on fences at all? Can we go stricter than the charter amendment?
[5:15:28] you absolutely can. Okay, perfect. All right. So I'm okay with that language of, you know,
[5:15:35] no, no banner advertisement to exceed 25% of linear footage. It's defense. The issue is
[5:15:46] the fence. So I think you have the specifically speak to the fence because that's what the
[5:15:51] voters are going to think about. They're going to think of the school district and the fence. Let's
[5:15:53] put exterior fence even for that.
[5:15:55] And you're your fence, yes.
[5:15:57] So, no, no advertisement shall be in the form of fence banners encompassing over 25% of exterior
[5:16:08] fencing.
[5:16:09] Some version of that.
[5:16:10] You want to clean that up?
[5:16:11] Mr. Chair, would it be possible since this relates to the ballot question itself and potential
[5:16:16] changes that have to be made to the charter amendment, if we can move on to another item,
[5:16:20] we can work on drafting language presented to you and then we can come back to the
[5:16:23] Absolutely, let me just get input start doing that. Let me get input from the rest of the commissioners in case they want to add stuff to it too
[5:16:30] I'm open to
[5:16:32] Steinberg
[5:16:32] Okay, this is my last
[5:16:34] item. I don't speak it all. Is it all the last one I pull?
[5:16:41] Are we still on that last item though, Mr. Chair? Well, yeah, we're still on the item
[5:16:46] Okay, so when I have a chance I want to add something. Yep, we'll get there
[5:16:49] Okay, so first of all, I want to say that I appreciate the intent
[5:16:53] of creating new funding opportunities for our parks, so thank you Chairman, but I do believe
[5:16:59] we need to proceed with caution and establish clear guardrails before we move forward.
[5:17:06] So in its form today, I will not be supporting this item because I think that we need the
[5:17:11] legal framework first before we put it out to the, well, I know you can do it after.
[5:17:17] I understand that. I think there are too many concerns that I have that maybe others will
[5:17:22] because I think we need to think beyond today's intentions and ask, you know, what does policy look like in five years, 10 years, 15 years.
[5:17:31] I don't want to see any unintended consequences to this.
[5:17:34] So, if advertising is allowed broadly,
[5:17:38] the communities that bear the visual impact, I think should also receive the benefit,
[5:17:43] which I know something that maybe is not in this.
[5:17:46] Um,
[5:17:49] if history is an indication of how the counties negotiated things in the past,
[5:17:53] I don't really have a lot of real sense of what that's going to look like in the future.
[5:17:58] Um, so let me, let me just go through my points really quickly.
[5:18:03] Because the parks who are going to have advertised mineral, so they're going to, they're going to,
[5:18:07] they're going to shoulder that burden.
[5:18:09] But then, I don't know what kind of commercial activity or visual impact it's going to be,
[5:18:13] what does that look like?
[5:18:16] So they should see the direct reinvestment
[5:18:18] into those parks.
[5:18:18] If they're going to have to shoulder that burden.
[5:18:22] I also think that we haven't fully explored.
[5:18:25] All of a sudden I was told by the Parks Department
[5:18:28] and by the County Attorney's Office that sponsorship
[5:18:31] opportunities are now no longer running
[5:18:33] a foul with the charter with Article 7,
[5:18:37] such as Capital Improvement Sponsorships,
[5:18:39] philanthropic donations, and naming opportunities.
[5:18:43] those we have to explore what does that look like so I'm concerned about opening up the
[5:18:49] door because you just talked about banners I hadn't even thought about banners I was
[5:18:52] thinking oh we can allow digital or we can allow billboards in our parts like what does
[5:18:56] this look like I also get concerned are the beaches going to be excluded are parking facilities
[5:19:01] included could this eventually lead to advertising associated with you know other things I have
[5:19:07] So many questions because, you know, hall over as a park, it's also a beach, what does that
[5:19:13] mean?
[5:19:13] Can we exempt?
[5:19:15] Maybe waterfront parks because those have unique issues and, you know, they're going to
[5:19:19] bear a lot of this and what does that look like?
[5:19:23] So I support, by the way, I'm wearing green, I support parks month, everybody, and you can
[5:19:27] adopt two trees on Saturday at various locations throughout the county.
[5:19:30] It's very important.
[5:19:31] We want to support our parks, but as we're pursuing new revenue streams, I don't want
[5:19:36] create unintended consequences that permanently change the character of our parks or allow
[5:19:41] the loudest interest or dictate what belongs in our public spaces in the people's public
[5:19:46] spaces. So what I don't want to see is all over turn into NASCAR venue, right? So, you know,
[5:19:52] by by by the way, I've been consistent on advertisement. Like anybody who knows me, I've always had
[5:19:56] concerns about advertisement. So I just wanted to put that out there. Again, I appreciate-
[5:20:00] This is coming from, but that's why I can't support it. And I don't know if there are any ideas to make it so that we tighten it even further.
[5:20:09] But those are my thoughts at this time. Thank you so much.
[5:20:13] Thank you for the chair.
[5:20:15] I would, I would, I'm going to go, I'm going to get there.
[5:20:17] So, look, I respect that commissioner, Senator. I understand, look, this is very simple for me.
[5:20:22] I'm trying to, I thought of this to come up with revenue sources in a time when obviously property taxes are being reformed.
[5:20:29] And it's a talk of the town, county parks will be probably one of the highest most impacted
[5:20:37] departments in our county and obviously it's so important to our community.
[5:20:42] And it's funny you said that because one of the points you said because I actually the original form
[5:20:46] and I amended it in committee.
[5:20:49] The original form of this item had so that wherever the advertisement took place, the funds did remain in that park.
[5:20:57] working with Parks Department director who is at the well now, we actually amended that out
[5:21:04] so that because there's a lot of community parks that maybe some folks may not want to
[5:21:10] advertise it and we don't want them to be left out. I did however, place a hold to
[5:21:15] show this past to come back to the board and maybe create regions. Not necessarily that the
[5:21:21] money stays in that particular park, but create regions and the regions aren't going to be
[5:21:25] districts, commission districts, it could be the south region, the central and the north region.
[5:21:30] So it still encompasses the, you know, most of it, but and everyone gets their fair share.
[5:21:36] But yes, I agree with your mindset of, it should stay in the park.
[5:21:41] I understand parks concern with it and the administration is concerned with it and it's a real
[5:21:45] one, by the way.
[5:21:47] So that's why I was amenable to amending that out, but do have a hold on policy to implement
[5:21:52] some sort of framework to maintain it.
[5:21:56] I do hope I could earn your support on it because I think it's just one way to generate
[5:22:04] revenue for our parks department and at the time when we need it, but I understand, of course,
[5:22:08] in respect to your position, Commissioner Noble is your recognized.
[5:22:11] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[5:22:12] So I don't have any county parks in my district, unfortunately, but I want to caution, I have
[5:22:19] had a lot of issues in my district with digital signs and the way the residential communities
[5:22:24] view them.
[5:22:26] So, you may want to consider, you know, after, should this pass during the implementation
[5:22:32] of this, to potentially exclude digital signs, a lot of our county parks are in residential
[5:22:39] areas and, you know, you just have to see what that looks like at night with the, with
[5:22:49] I have the same problem I had in my district with just a little signage in the urban area and how it was impacting my residences.
[5:22:57] So I just put that out there just because I heard Commissioner Steinberg say, you know, look like we'll be digital, et cetera.
[5:23:03] And then I realized, wow, I've been struggling with digital signs in my district and it doesn't impact residential.
[5:23:09] But I am supportive of this item because I do believe we're going to need to have some revenues stream for parks, especially since they're so important to our county.
[5:23:18] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[5:23:19] Thank you, Commissioner.
[5:23:19] And the intent is actually, in fact, to have digital signs is the intent, but it's not
[5:23:24] the issue that you're having.
[5:23:26] It's not the big billboards at all.
[5:23:30] It's more like the chaos that you see in Coral Gables and Brickle, little small chaos throughout
[5:23:34] the park that actually serve multi-purpose.
[5:23:36] It's not just an advertisement mechanism.
[5:23:38] That will be the revenue generator, but it also has access for you to dial 911 or emergency
[5:23:42] service.
[5:23:43] It's all your phone run out of battery.
[5:23:44] You can actually charge your phone in some of them.
[5:23:46] It kind of tells you like you're standing here, and this is what's around the park.
[5:23:50] These are the restaurants nearby, so it's more, it's not billboards, it's more of a kiosk,
[5:23:55] and it could generate revenue. I haven't forgotten you, Madam Mayor. I'm going to in a second.
[5:24:02] But just one second. But yes, the idea is to have digital science and not have the banners
[5:24:08] that do make it at times ugly throughout the park. But I want to say once again, a lot of the
[5:24:16] Are something that will be discussed as matter of policy of this board shall this pass by the voters?
[5:24:25] And so we will be having this discussion at some point shall it pass?
[5:24:31] Good. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and just as up to Commissioner Lopez's point the city of Miami opted out of Lady Bird
[5:24:38] It's a very different situation. We do not have an opt-out of Lady Bird
[5:24:42] So, irrespective of this, we cannot do the things that the city of Miami does.
[5:24:49] When we talk about digital signing, it's a very different conversation to the chair's
[5:24:53] point.
[5:24:53] It's about way of finding similar to what we've approved at the underline that provides
[5:24:59] people with information.
[5:25:00] And then some advertising. Our rules are a lot different from the city of Miami. So when we say digital
[5:25:07] signage, it's very, very different from when the city of Miami says digital signage because they
[5:25:12] they opted out of Lady Bird. And that is a federal issue that has nothing to do with us. We, we cannot
[5:25:17] go as far as they have gone without an opt-out which would be very complex.
[5:25:23] not a mayor let me finish with the board if that's okay or did you want to
[5:25:29] like input on some of the stuff yes of course okay do you want kind of
[5:25:32] finish with the board or do you want to well I do think it's important for you to
[5:25:35] hear from the parks department absolutely no no we're not stopping this conversation
[5:25:39] until we do hear from you all okay let me just finish with the board and then we'll
[5:25:42] go senator Garcia thank you Mr. Chairman and I I do have and I appreciate what you
[5:25:47] trying to do here I I get this we are in a time where having financial
[5:25:51] constraints and it becomes more difficult and we need to try to raise some money and I get that,
[5:25:56] that's that's admirable, admirable. But one of the issues that I do have is that we still can put
[5:26:02] up banners and so forth on the sponsorships, but it's just the advertisement. We live in a world
[5:26:07] right now where it's hyper advertisement, everywhere we go, everywhere we look, somewhere to shooting
[5:26:12] something out of us, trying to sell something out of us, I find that our parks should be our
[5:26:21] get away from the craziness, the noise, the noise that we face every single day, and I look at what happens
[5:26:29] out of me there, hard pork, right?
[5:26:30] And I think about the walkways that we have, we're creating these trees to make sure that we have a place
[5:26:37] that people can feel comfortable and walk along these walkways and be one with themselves,
[5:26:42] the creator, the God, and you know, we're going to have a potential where we can have
[5:26:46] advertisement being thrown their way. I think that this was put in the charter for a reason.
[5:26:52] And unless we can find a way to modify some of this, I just don't know.
[5:26:56] It's a Chairman, I hate to do this, but I just don't know if I can support this at this time with this.
[5:27:01] I think it's just over cumbersome, and I appreciate what you're trying to do, but I just don't know if I can do this at this time.
[5:27:07] Thank you.
[5:27:08] I understand that. I do understand what you're saying.
[5:27:11] And I agree with a lot of, in fact, some of those concerns is kind of like what
[5:27:14] a lot of what's speaking to right of the banners and and and keeping it as a sanctuary.
[5:27:20] The difficulty is is I don't think it's that per se. I think this is the more regulated thing
[5:27:25] that this board could govern. So I do hope that I could earn your support on it, but I understand.
[5:27:30] You know, and I'm not not calling out the atomic bomb here, but the reality is is
[5:27:35] you know, some of these parks and or certainly their programs can cease to exist if we don't
[5:27:44] different options and that's not me saying babies are going to die. That's just a reality.
[5:27:50] That's not me caring, you know, fear tactics. That's a reality. Again, I don't know
[5:27:54] that we're shutting down parks. That's too early to say, but certainly programs can
[5:27:59] can suffer as a result of funding issues. So I look, I understand it's not ideal, but it's also,
[5:28:06] you know, the idea is that if you have a nice kiosk that is a wayfinder that allows you to call
[5:28:12] And then it circulates a couple, you know, nearby restaurants that are across the street from the park.
[5:28:19] Something like that is, I think, is very amenable and doable, but I respect what you're saying, vice chair.
[5:28:27] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[5:28:29] And first of all, let me just publicly say thank you for allowing the modification of your original language.
[5:28:38] The modification that you made allow for the funding that's captured now to be used in all parts throughout the county.
[5:28:48] So I'll take my head off to you on that.
[5:28:50] Secondly, I'm not quite sure if we will have the same number of interests and certain districts in this county to advertise that certain parks.
[5:29:04] The demographics are different. The impact on revenue would be different.
[5:29:09] But more than anything, there are majority, not majority, but there are quite a few parks in Omsa that are currently not receiving any attention as we speak.
[5:29:20] The programs, the parks, they're deplorable and asking us to take the sanctuary and turn it into an advertisement situation where people can actually promote to certain people,
[5:29:42] certain products and certain items,
[5:29:45] I do believe certain communities will be left out.
[5:29:48] And this is not something I'm just saying, just to say it,
[5:29:52] but if you currently look at areas now where
[5:29:57] there are a majority of unsupparks.
[5:30:00] You will see the huge difference between parks and opposite parks and municipalities.
[5:30:07] And you will also see where people are willing to spend their money.
[5:30:11] I doubt if I get the same advertisers to come to district 9 and advertise in district 9 parks,
[5:30:18] because district 9 parks currently still have buildings that were built in 1940s and a 50s.
[5:30:24] And we haven't seen any major updates to actually invite people into that neighborhood to discuss advertised and opportunities.
[5:30:32] Lastly, let me just say this.
[5:30:35] I am totally in support of finding another way to generate revenue for our parts.
[5:30:42] But I think the equity argument has to be at the forefront.
[5:30:46] Currently, it is not at the forefront.
[5:30:48] And currently where you find a lap of data parks, you also see a correlation of crime, not just crime, but higher crime, and not just higher crime, grow test crimes.
[5:30:58] And not just those grow test crimes, but you also find trauma-induced behaviors because there aren't places where people who are already struggling to survive and make it in this county that they can just go and just find solitude.
[5:31:16] It is impossible to do that, where you have communities that have been begging for parts to be modified to fit today's environment.
[5:31:26] And unfortunately, we add on the idea that property taxes modifying that area of revenue may have a huge impact on parts.
[5:31:42] The fact in a matter is, if it has a huge impact on parks and corrugables, it's going
[5:31:49] to destroy those parks that are already in dilapidated communities where communities have
[5:31:55] been basically shown no love for their parks.
[5:31:58] If we're really talking about generating revenue, we need to talk about allowing for there
[5:32:05] to be a sliding scale, and that sliding scale should begin with if we make the money and
[5:32:11] part of the town that has more opportunities to get greater investors and to these
[5:32:17] advertisements, apparatuses, then we should begin with the parks that are actually already
[5:32:24] struggling to keep its doors open along with its programs and those money should go
[5:32:29] their first and I do not believe at this particular moment that we have arrived to that
[5:32:37] position that I've just announced. And for those reason I've do believe today, I will be
[5:32:42] a no until we actually get a formula in place that would allow for equity to be had across
[5:32:49] the board and particularly in those communities where the median income and where the majority
[5:32:55] of the folk traveling to find a place to have that quiet moment that can't afford to go to places
[5:33:03] like a skyzone or to a bigger park where they can take the kids on go-carts. Until those things happen,
[5:33:10] then I have to be a no-one this because I just do not believe and I trust you and I believe you,
[5:33:16] but I do not believe that the end result will meet the expectations that you are seeking when you're
[5:33:23] pushing this piece of legislation. Thank you, Vice Chair. Madam Mayor. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[5:33:30] So, I just briefly want to say, of course, we need to raise revenue where we can, and we
[5:33:36] appreciate this item.
[5:33:38] There were some changes made, which we were also appreciative of, Christina White, our
[5:33:45] Park Director, wants to speak briefly, to concerns about being too specific at this point.
[5:33:51] And as much as possible, leaving more to an implementing order should it pass public scrutiny.
[5:33:57] and it could address some of the details about what signages more aesthetically appropriate
[5:34:03] as well as some of the distribution issues that have been raised.
[5:34:07] We certainly want this to benefit parks throughout the county.
[5:34:12] So with that, if we could allow her to just say a few words, please.
[5:34:15] Sure, Christina.
[5:34:16] And as you do, and feel free to do that, the attorneys have come to tell me to have an amendment
[5:34:22] prepared based on Reganados concerns.
[5:34:24] It's somewhere in the middle of exactly what Reganado said, and probably what you're about to say.
[5:34:30] So I think it may cover what you're about to say, but go ahead and say it anyway.
[5:34:34] And we'll hear the final verdict of the lawyers on what they recommend.
[5:34:38] All right. Well, good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Commissioner is Christina White Pro's director.
[5:34:41] I am so appreciative of this conversation because, of course, as Park's director, I'm the purist.
[5:34:47] So, very thankful to hear that there's some regulation that maybe we're talking about doing and seeing, but we also understand that the economic times are what they are and all ideas for revenue are certainly welcome.
[5:35:00] I just wanted to put my concerns on the record about being too specific in the charter. As the charter, as everybody knows, is very difficult to change in the future. And we don't know what will happen in 5, 10, 15 years from now. So to be very specific about what we're going to allow, could end up locking us in, boxing us into these restrictions in the future. Not just from the revenue perspective, but also practical concerns, such as tournament cycle on right now, soccer,
[5:35:29] for fall, baseball tournaments that currently exist.
[5:35:32] We do allow banners to go up during those.
[5:35:35] So if we start restricting how much can go up,
[5:35:38] then we're going to start having problems with the,
[5:35:41] what we already allow within our parks.
[5:35:43] So what I wanted to just suggest,
[5:35:45] if the board was going to move forward with this item,
[5:35:48] is to have it be general, however you see fit.
[5:35:52] And then we do come back as we've been talking about a committee
[5:35:54] and otherwise with follow-up legislation
[5:35:56] and internal procedures to put in those additional restrictions that you all see fit.
[5:36:02] Thank you, Director, and that's I think that so if the attorneys can read up an amendment that they have that I think will give ease to Commissioner Regalatos Concern and I'm okay with it go ahead.
[5:36:15] Chair moves to amend item 11820 to add a requirement that all such advertising must be consistent with standards established by ordinance of the board.
[5:36:23] And that would be added to the charter and to the ballot language we'd figure out exactly how to put the ballot language in there to include that.
[5:36:30] But this would essentially not allow the advertising to occur until you've established standards by ordinance.
[5:36:37] Second.
[5:36:37] It doesn't say the fencing on the charter.
[5:36:40] So it's still kind of consistent with the same issue of the voters may not be too clear on it.
[5:36:46] But it clearly states that we can't do anything until this board adopts guidelines.
[5:36:51] So it's not that it's going to happen automatically.
[5:36:53] Once it passes and then if we don't take action,
[5:36:55] we have to take action and adopt or ordinance surrounding that before they can go out and advertise.
[5:37:02] I appreciate that, but that it's not.
[5:37:06] My issue is that my residence absolutely hate the ads on the fences and to Christina's point.
[5:37:13] I mean, the tournaments that's not an ad, it's just an event that's happening there.
[5:37:17] It's not advertisements.
[5:37:18] so I don't I don't think that that would impact that but I can't support it with that and honestly
[5:37:24] I don't think it'll pass without speaking to this issue because the advertising on school sites is so hated by so many residents
[5:37:34] So I wanted to pass which is why I think we need to deal with this issue because every resident that I've spoken to about advertising in our parks
[5:37:44] their first question has been are you going to do with the school district doesn't if so no.
[5:37:50] So I think given what the school district has done this is our biggest hurdle in order to get
[5:37:56] support we have so many parts that are directly adjacent to single family homes and just like the
[5:38:02] schools they hate seeing all those ads. So again I'm I'm open to it I'm open to but what I'm hearing
[5:38:12] is it's not, it's too specific, like I am okay with what Regulano is saying, but I understand
[5:38:19] that it's restrictive and so listen if it doesn't pass and the voters don't see the benefit
[5:38:25] of private revenue to offset a shortfall of taxpayer dollars,
[5:38:34] we can only take the horse to the
[5:38:42] I'm comfortable with that amendment, go where I'd like to call a vote on it, you may.
[5:38:50] Mr. Chairman, thank you. I'm just a couple of points first. While I appreciate your
[5:38:53] voters might not be okay with that, I don't know that I've heard that complaint and we've
[5:38:58] had advertising around parks in schools in Miami Gardens for a while now. So we haven't heard
[5:39:02] that complaint. That's the first thing. The second thing is everything has to be relative
[5:39:06] to the other thing. So we're going to have no money for parks. Are they okay with higher rental
[5:39:10] are they okay with higher, you know, participation fees, like the things that we actually
[5:39:15] were using the money for. Yeah, so it's, it's, it's, it's, in an ideal world we wouldn't do
[5:39:21] it, but we're not in an ideal world and we're going to a less ideal world. And so that's the
[5:39:26] other thing. And then with regards to Commissioner of Vice Chairman's perspective, I agree with
[5:39:30] him, but I don't think the answer is not putting the item before the voters. I think the answer
[5:39:34] is when it comes back to this board making sure that that money is distributed in a way that
[5:39:39] actually helps everyone.
[5:39:42] The reason why I think this was changed and I think we changed it in committee and you changed
[5:39:45] it in committee was because we have invested our general dollars, our general fund dollars
[5:39:51] in parks and that's been everybody's money that's been invested in those parks.
[5:39:56] And so now that we have really nice assets in some places and not just nice assets enough.
[5:40:00] It wouldn't be fair to actually take the profit and just keep it in that area. We understood that that's why the item was actually amended.
[5:40:08] And so I think this item should go for it. And I think that we should be able to advertise to the greatest extent possible that it's not like completely offensive.
[5:40:17] We have to be serious about finding ways to offset the looming budget hold that already exist in parks.
[5:40:27] So wait to be serious. I moved this item.
[5:40:30] I moved this item.
[5:40:30] I moved this item.
[5:40:32] I'm going to come up a lot of you are still in all right.
[5:40:35] Okay, so.
[5:40:35] That's a man to not as a man to know. Remove the amendment.
[5:40:38] All right. All in favor signify by say aye.
[5:40:41] All opposed nay.
[5:40:43] Show the item passed.
[5:40:44] All right.
[5:40:45] Back on two second reading items.
[5:40:50] Madam attorney or Mr. attorney.
[5:40:53] Mr. Chair.
[5:40:54] If I may, it was advised by the county attorneys that I had to move to reconsider 50.
[5:41:00] Yes, you may.
[5:41:01] I'll let Mr. Arbionette clarify that.
[5:41:04] Show 50.
[5:41:05] All reconsidered by Commissioner Orbis seconded by Commissioner Gonzalez.
[5:41:08] I'm a favor of the reconsideration signify by say aye.
[5:41:11] Opposed nay, short reconsidered.
[5:41:13] Madam attorney.
[5:41:16] This item will need to be re-advertised.
[5:41:18] And it will come back on the September 1st agenda to be voted on
[5:41:21] and to either approve or deny the waiver input.
[5:41:23] Is there any action that needs to be taken by the commissioner at this time?
[5:41:26] other reconsideration. Yeah, Mr. Chair. All right. Thank you very much. We're on to second reading
[5:41:30] that. We have an airport item if we could do it real quick. Move it. Yes. If I could have the
[5:41:35] attorneys read the airport motion.
[5:41:41] You can read it go ahead. Aviation item. Aviation. Which one?
[5:41:46] Mine. An item or a motion? Motion. Motion. Sorry. Motion. One second. We'll get that.
[5:41:52] Is the chairman before we get the can I just recognize my entrance? Yeah. Yeah. Can we recognize all of them?
[5:41:58] I have to right here we have are they from your yeah for these are separate now because you're leaving they have to go back to the district and get some work done
[5:42:05] But these are separate from yet from you think engagement program. Yes, sir. Yeah, recognize a one. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We'd like to recognize and thank Alice and Ray is and Allen aligns Sanchez for their help and support in our office and our internship program for you two great kids are right behind back here and
[5:42:23] All right, I like it. That's worth it
[5:42:26] So are the you think engagement program students are they all over can you all stand up?
[5:42:35] All right, all right
[5:42:38] This is the you could stay standing up for a second. So this is the second year that we have the you think engagement program ran by our intergovernmental affairs
[5:42:46] team. Well, I see Henry here. I see Sam here. I see a few and I don't know where Alina is but you know, it's what like 25 20 sick. We've we got
[5:42:56] We couldn't keep up. We got over 50 applications this year
[5:42:59] and I told them this when I went to speak to them last week, but you're fortunate and should be honored to know that you were selected among several others.
[5:43:09] I mean about double the amount that made the cut. So congratulations. This particular class and last year's class was great and always be a class that I remember as the inaugural class, but this class is extremely, extremely smart, educated, polished.
[5:43:27] they asked all the right questions.
[5:43:29] I was surprised to hear how many questions I understand that there's one particular
[5:43:37] yet student who is leading the way with others.
[5:43:41] Now has encouraged others to start podcasts because has one of her own and now folks are
[5:43:48] trying to ask her parents to buy them like recording equipment and podcasts equipment.
[5:43:53] So congratulations, but honestly all of you have led the way I would have never in a million dreams
[5:43:59] thought to do what you guys are doing at your age.
[5:44:01] So congratulations.
[5:44:02] Thank you for being here today.
[5:44:06] I actually want to thank you for putting this program together.
[5:44:12] You had the foresight to do so and help shape the next generation of leaders.
[5:44:17] I know that last year and this year both of the appointments that were for district four
[5:44:22] found it so immeasurably like they're now interested in everything that we're doing which before
[5:44:27] wasn't even on their radar so I want to thank you for putting this forward.
[5:44:31] Thank you commissioner.
[5:44:33] I think so yeah if I make a graduation this this is a great deal and it gets these kids
[5:44:39] involved in government understand what they can do if they actually speak up and I just
[5:44:43] think you want to have the best one that you have in different district 13 so yeah
[5:44:48] He's a coach. He needs the best one. He's a Jose Garcia. You're there. I bless you to you.
[5:44:52] So thank you so much and congratulations.
[5:44:55] Is it? I have to take a shout out. Come on, guys. Come on.
[5:44:58] From every day. They're all wonderful. Look at that.
[5:45:00] I'm cheering on. I question, it's not district 13, it's not the best one. It's not 12, it's 12.
[5:45:06] Want to be clear? They're all really so bright, and I mean that I'm not just being nice. Everybody's the same.
[5:45:12] They're all the same. It's not true. They're all good. They're all true. That's not true. Not everyone's the same.
[5:45:16] Don't get me going to say, some parents will tell you that, but no, not everybody's the same. Everyone's loved and cared for, but different.
[5:45:25] Yeah, I know, I know, all right.
[5:45:27] So, but no, listen, and you're right.
[5:45:29] Senator Garcia has experienced in the legislature
[5:45:32] such as Lopez and Moses and McGee who stepped out,
[5:45:38] that, you know, this is something that the state legislature
[5:45:40] does as the page and messenger program.
[5:45:43] My, all my kids, all three of my kids have done the program
[5:45:46] for several years in the state legislature
[5:45:48] and the amount of information that they've learned
[5:45:50] and gathered from it has been very, very helpful.
[5:45:53] In fact, they've learned things there that they did not learn from their own dad as an
[5:45:58] other dad as an in government.
[5:46:00] So I think you all will take a lot out of this.
[5:46:02] Make sure you soak it all up.
[5:46:03] So again, congratulations.
[5:46:05] You deserve a round of applause for doing this.
[5:46:06] Congratulations.
[5:46:12] All right.
[5:46:13] Madam materna.
[5:46:13] Are we ready with a motion by Commissioner Regalado?
[5:46:16] Yes, Mr. Chairman.
[5:46:17] All right.
[5:46:18] Commissioner Regalado moves to a man's resolution.
[5:46:20] Number R 1234-25, which approved the purchase of certain real property rights.
[5:46:25] pursuant to propose a mandatory state of the agreement between
[5:46:28] Mamizate County as Lessor, an arrow Miami LLC as Lessie for airport property
[5:46:33] to authorize the County Mayor Mayor's as a need to eliminate the provision
[5:46:37] the drafts amended agreement requiring the Lessie to pay additional monthly
[5:46:41] rental payments of 2% of gross rents received from all subtenits
[5:46:44] because fair market rent ground rental will be paid.
[5:46:49] All right, so it's been moved by Commissioner Regalado seconded by
[5:46:53] Commissioner Lopez. Any discussion on the motion? Seeing none. All in favor signify by say
[5:47:00] an aye. Aye. All opposed nay. Show that motion passed. Thank you. All right. Congratulations. Any other
[5:47:08] motions? We've got we already have the reconsideration. We have the motion. So now on to second reading
[5:47:12] items. Do I have? Does the attorney need to read all the items? Yes. Yes. Okay. Go ahead. I'll read
[5:47:21] Item quickly, 7A ordinance relating to the rapid transit system development zone, amending
[5:47:25] sections 33C-2, and 33C-3.3 of the code, expanding the smart quarter sub zone of the
[5:47:31] rapid transit zone to encompass certain private property and the vicinity of Southwest 27th
[5:47:35] Avenue, and Southwest 28 lane located within a quarter mile of a public transit station, providing
[5:47:41] severability, inclusion of the code, and an effective date, 7Bs and ordinance relating
[5:47:45] to the rapid transit system development zone, amending section 33C-2 of the code, amending
[5:47:50] the Metro movers sub zone of the rapid transit zone to add certain private property, providing
[5:47:53] severability inclusion in the code and an effective date, 7D.
[5:48:00] We're going to get back
[5:48:01] to.
[5:48:05] And 7E is an ordinance creating section 8-9 of the code requiring the county mayor
[5:48:10] or does need to develop an implement, a same day permitting program for certain permit applications
[5:48:14] for certain residential projects, and to provide reports every six months, providing
[5:48:19] and the code and an effective date, and I have a request to
[5:48:24] bifurcate 7B by Commissioner Lopez and 7E and it's supplement by Commissioner Regalado.
[5:48:31] All right, so can I have a motion on the remainder of the items?
[5:48:34] It's been moved by Commissioner Gonzalez, seconded by Commissioner
[5:48:38] Orbis, and clerk, please call the roll.
[5:48:41] Commissioner Bermutis, Commissioner Cone Higgins, Senator Garcia, Commissioner Gilbert, Commissioner Gonzalez, Commissioner Lopez, Commissioner Million Orbis, Commissioner Regalado, Commissioner Steinberg, Commissioner Bastien, Vice Chairman McGee, Chairman Rodriguez.
[5:49:06] I vote yes. Motion passes unanimously.
[5:49:08] All right commissioner Lopez you recognize on D five.
[5:49:11] Thank you Mr. Chairman.
[5:49:12] I'm sorry. You are D five.
[5:49:14] So the county attorney has a motion to read into the record.
[5:49:17] Please read commissioner Lopez's motion.
[5:49:19] Commissioner Lopez moves to amend item seven B to one remove references to the properties located at 25 southeast
[5:49:25] history in 20 southeast history.
[5:49:27] From the six whereas calls on page m d c zero zero five and the accompanying exhibit map and two to correct the exhibit
[5:49:33] Mass Graphical depiction of the property located at 9's out these six street to ask such
[5:49:37] properties not within the RTC but has been runously depicted on the map as being within the
[5:49:41] RTC.
[5:49:42] All right, so show it move by Commissioner Lopez as amended.
[5:49:46] I would like to put my comments on the record because of this, so I don't know if everyone
[5:49:51] has been following in the urban area we have very little green space.
[5:49:56] these two parcels that I'm removing.
[5:50:00] From the RTC zone, is because they are the traditional and Alan Morris Park in Berkel.
[5:50:08] There was a boner contention around what would be happening to those two parcels.
[5:50:14] In particular, because they have been used as a park over the years, this will return it back into the,
[5:50:21] I'm not accepting them into the RTC, they will go through the city of Miami's permitting process.
[5:50:25] I think the real issue was the trees, what would happen to all the trees on the property.
[5:50:32] The city of Miami has a huge issue with tree permits.
[5:50:37] So my residents expressed a lot of concerns about it moving into the RTC, where there wouldn't
[5:50:44] be the same protections for the trees.
[5:50:46] So I've agreed to remove them from the RTC.
[5:50:51] That is.
[5:50:51] All right, so it's been moved, it's been seconded by Commissioner Cohen Higgins, all in favor of that item as amended,
[5:50:58] and if I'd say aye.
[5:51:00] All opposed.
[5:51:00] It's, we need a roll.
[5:51:01] I'm sorry, yeah, I was getting there, sorry.
[5:51:03] I'll call it please call the roll.
[5:51:05] Commissioner Cohen Higgins?
[5:51:09] Yes.
[5:51:10] Yes.
[5:51:11] Senator Garcia,
[5:51:14] Commissioner Gilbert, Commissioner Gonzalez, Commissioner Lopez, yes.
[5:51:20] Commissioner Milian Norbus, yes.
[5:51:22] Commissioner Regalado, Commissioner Steinberg,
[5:51:26] Commissioner Bustian, Commissioner Burmutes, Vice Chairman McGee, Chairman Rodriguez.
[5:51:33] Motion passes unanimously.
[5:51:34] All right, 70.
[5:51:35] I'll entertain a motion on 70.
[5:51:38] There's been movement commissioner Gonzalez.
[5:51:39] Seconded by Commissioner Lopez, Commissioner from District 7.
[5:51:42] You're recognized.
[5:51:43] Thank you.
[5:51:44] I just had a question for Lordes on this.
[5:51:46] Because I remember that we did some of this already.
[5:51:49] And the city of Miami actually is now copying what we did.
[5:51:54] So I think this is codifying some of the things that already exist so Lord is what's what's new here
[5:52:01] Correct, so we can turn it on the record. That's exactly what is it's codifying a lot of the things that we do already to make sure it can't be changed
[5:52:09] Okay, all right because I was like when I read it. I was like we actually do this already do most of it. Yeah, we do must okay
[5:52:14] We're codifying all of it and maybe adding a couple of little things, but yes, it's we they're currently implementing some of it
[5:52:21] I don't know that they actually always keep it to the one day.
[5:52:23] Sometimes it goes two, three, four days.
[5:52:25] But yes, we're codifying it and making a straight to 24 hours.
[5:52:29] All right, then that's fine.
[5:52:30] Well, I'm happy to support.
[5:52:31] All right.
[5:52:32] So we have a motion.
[5:52:32] We have a second.
[5:52:33] All in favor, signify by Sayonai.
[5:52:35] All opposed, nay.
[5:52:37] So, roll call.
[5:52:38] Oh, roll call.
[5:52:39] I'm going to fast here.
[5:52:40] Claire, please call the roll.
[5:52:41] Another verse here.
[5:52:44] Commissioner Gilbert.
[5:52:46] Commissioner Gonzalez.
[5:52:49] Four.
[5:52:50] Commissioner Lopez.
[5:52:50] Yes, Commissioner Milia Norbus, Commissioner Regalado, Commissioner Steinberg, Commissioner Bastien, Commissioner Bermutis,
[5:53:05] Commissioner Conehiggins, Vice Chairman McGee, Chairman Rodriguez.
[5:53:10] I vote yes. Motion passes unanimously.
[5:53:13] All right. Madam attorney, by passing for a minute, the discussion items can we move into the pool list.
[5:53:26] Now, we'll go back to discussion items afterwards.
[5:53:28] Yes, would you like to go in order?
[5:53:30] Yes, but is there any releases at all?
[5:53:32] I have one release, then I have one.
[5:53:35] There may be others.
[5:53:36] We've got 3700 pulled items, so.
[5:53:38] Yes, Senator Garcia is the only pulling commission.
[5:53:41] I think for item 8F1.
[5:53:43] Okay.
[5:53:43] He's releasing that item.
[5:53:48] Okay.
[5:53:49] 8F1.
[5:53:50] 8F1, light speed.
[5:53:54] And what did I fall?
[5:53:58] You said.
[5:54:02] Okay, and I'll release 11825. I just wanted to co-prime it.
[5:54:09] I was gonna I was gonna add some stuff to it
[5:54:13] Right, did I have an amendment prepared? No, yeah, I just wanted to I support it
[5:54:18] But I really I just want a co-sponsor you're sorry. I got some item
[5:54:21] Come on, sure. So I'll release it with a co-sponsor ship
[5:54:25] 11825
[5:54:26] than Senator Garcia's releasing 8F1 and 8N8 as well.
[5:54:32] 8N8 okay great and then Bermutus I think it's 92 if we may ask 95 I'm sorry 95 you're releasing
[5:54:39] which is odd release it if I'd like the co-sponsorate with Commissioner Cone against Co-prime
[5:54:44] it because that is something that came about with the combination of something in our district
[5:54:48] and her district so if I may I'll release it I just wanted to co-prime it you want a co-prime
[5:54:52] Okay, is that okay for him to call sponsors?
[5:54:55] Absolutely not.
[5:54:57] All right.
[5:54:58] So it's been released and called private.
[5:55:00] All right, can we entertain a motion on 8F1, 95, 11825, and there was another one, dirty. 8 and 8.
[5:55:15] 8 and 8. Okay, it's been moved by Lopez, seconded by Gonzales, all in favor, signify by say aye.
[5:55:25] Allipose name, show the items, show those four past.
[5:55:30] All right, two be five, CBO report card, commissioner from district five, you're recognized.
[5:55:39] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So I just wanted to say that I grateful for the information that was given to us,
[5:55:47] but it's not what I was looking for at all. So here's what I was looking for when it comes to CBO funding.
[5:55:53] I was looking for the name of the organization, how much money they receive federally, state and locally.
[5:56:03] And how many years they've been receiving funding.
[5:56:06] I mean, I think this was a good start, but it is missing so much information that I'd like to work with the administration.
[5:56:13] I think at least how I read the resolution that was passed that generated this report.
[5:56:20] There was a lot more that we requested that didn't get sent to us.
[5:56:25] So I would, and I looked here.
[5:56:29] This was a good overall picture of some of the CBOs.
[5:56:38] I'm just curious when we'll have a much more deeper dive into every single CBO that we fund.
[5:56:46] So that's a question for the administration.
[5:56:50] Through the chair.
[5:56:51] I'd like to recognize Ray Baker.
[5:56:53] There's actually two reports and I think he can help clarify.
[5:56:57] Director Baker, you're recognized for response.
[5:57:00] Good afternoon.
[5:57:02] Yes, so there's two reports.
[5:57:03] to be five is the annual report card that we're required to submit and then 14 B2 would be the
[5:57:10] one that is the response to the resolutions that you're referring to.
[5:57:16] Just does that item show me complete details and number of years that we've been funding them?
[5:57:22] Where they get their funding? That's what I'm looking for.
[5:57:27] I don't believe that was called for in the request but we can certainly provide that to you.
[5:57:31] So, I guess to help us during the budget, even though I know the mayor has kept the CBOs,
[5:57:39] you know, halt harmless, I still think that we have to understand what are our priorities
[5:57:46] as a commission, what do we want to fund, and in order to make those decisions, we need
[5:57:53] to understand every single CBO that is funded and where they're getting their money, how much
[5:57:57] do they get from the federal government, how much do they get from the state government,
[5:58:01] What have we been funding them? How many years have we been funding them? How many people do they serve?
[5:58:08] I mean, I know this was a big discussion last in the last budget cycle.
[5:58:15] But I can't imagine my being able to make any decisions based on CBO funding without all of that information.
[5:58:25] And so I am hopeful that within the next month I'll be able to review that because I think
[5:58:32] certainly the committee that Commissioner Million Orbis and I chair would be very interested
[5:58:40] in drilling down to the absolute detail because you know there are matching funds as well.
[5:58:48] I'd like to know how much this is the process at the state level.
[5:58:51] We ask how much matching funds do you have from anyone, right?
[5:58:55] Who is that?
[5:58:56] Is it a private foundation?
[5:58:57] Is it a private organization?
[5:58:59] Is it federal grants?
[5:59:01] Is it state grants?
[5:59:02] I mean, we get a lot of requests at the state level
[5:59:06] to fund projects.
[5:59:09] We call through them specifically every single request.
[5:59:13] And we make decisions based on that kind of information
[5:59:16] in that data.
[5:59:18] So I was hoping that we would be able to get that for every single
[5:59:21] that has been included in the budget this year.
[5:59:25] Through the chair.
[5:59:26] Yes, Madam Mayor.
[5:59:27] Thank you.
[5:59:28] I want to indicate that in addition to Ray,
[5:59:31] we have Dan Wall.
[5:59:32] Dan Wall has been leading on the non-profits for,
[5:59:36] I don't know, 30 years.
[5:59:38] Something like that.
[5:59:39] And I actually had a large role to play
[5:59:42] and having him hired by a predecessor
[5:59:44] because we needed to have somebody who could help us maximize
[5:59:48] federal and state dollars and Dan was hired for that purpose. So if he doesn't know the answer, he will get it. So if you would allow him just to say.
[5:59:56] No, Madam Commissioner, they information that you referenced and all of them.
[6:00:00] The information that was required in the legislation is in that ad on report 14B2.
[6:00:06] Okay, well, I appreciate that. I just remember that when we fund things, like I've had, I've had CBOs say to me, if you don't fund me, then I will lose the matching funds from the federal grant that we have.
[6:00:19] So those are important decisions to make because obviously we're able to maximize funding from other sources to be able to fund.
[6:00:28] But I still look at a lot of this as what are the priorities that we want to be funding.
[6:00:35] What areas is it vulnerable populations within that is it elderly and young children?
[6:00:41] You know, I mean, for me to make a decision, it is very difficult based on what I have.
[6:00:45] But I will look at that item and if I have any further requests, I will make sure to pass those on to you.
[6:00:50] Thank you so much.
[6:00:51] And if I could, when last point, Mr. Chair, we are going to meet with all of you shortly.
[6:00:57] And within a few couple of weeks, three weeks, to go through in more detail, all the questions that have been raised at the various committees this past week, and make sure that you have all the information that you need to make informed choices.
[6:01:10] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[6:01:11] Commissioner from District 8 on 2b5, and I'm going to go ahead and take up item 14b2 as well together, so.
[6:01:17] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[6:01:18] And thank you to the commissioners that requested this report.
[6:01:21] I believe it was Commissioner Orbus and Commissioner Garcia and Commissioner Gonzalez to allow us to see where these legacy CBOs
[6:01:27] dollars are going and how they're being spent on to be five particularly there are a number
[6:01:33] of CBOs that are color coded with both yellow and red indicating five or more instances of
[6:01:40] non-compliance and or receiving a suspension that has since been resolved or any number of instances
[6:01:46] of non-compliance that merit contract or payment suspension that are not resolved are those yellow
[6:01:52] and red-coded CBOs included in the upcoming proposed budget.
[6:02:00] You're recognized.
[6:02:01] Thank you, Dan Wall, Office of Management and Budget.
[6:02:04] Yes, Commissioner, the yellow-coded were had a number of findings that as per IO3-15
[6:02:14] required a yellow rating, they have subsequently submitted a corrective action plan that have all been
[6:02:20] clear. There were three with a red designation. One of them was able to successfully clear their
[6:02:29] corrective action plan. One, the contract was terminated for lack of performance and the
[6:02:35] third one, they declined the funding this year. And the current year monitoring, because this
[6:02:42] is looking back a year, the current year monitoring is happening right now and I'm pleased to report
[6:02:48] mark on wood, that we have no suspensions to date so far.
[6:02:53] Thank you.
[6:02:53] I'm glad that you're pleased to report that.
[6:02:57] I, however, am looking at this report carefully for those that are non-compliant in any
[6:03:01] ways, especially when funding is as tight as it is.
[6:03:04] I find it fascinating that there would be any non-compliance much less instances higher than
[6:03:08] five.
[6:03:09] And so I'll be taking a close look at those as we move into our budget.
[6:03:13] But thank you for the explanation regarding what we have included in our proposed new annual
[6:03:17] budget moving forward. Nothing further, Mr. Chair.
[6:03:22] Okay. Commissioner Orbus, then D7.
[6:03:26] Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm going to refer to two B5, the report card.
[6:03:31] So in the memo, it doesn't specify what constitutes a violation.
[6:03:35] So what constitutes a violation for these organizations?
[6:03:40] And why is the threshold five? How is that decided?
[6:03:43] that they are allowed to do five violations before they get action taken against the corrective
[6:03:52] action.
[6:03:54] So, to your first question, what constitutes a violation, they're not in compliance with one of the many terms and conditions in the contract.
[6:04:04] It could be from the lack programmatic records.
[6:04:08] They lack financial records.
[6:04:11] Or it could be something small, like they failed to submit their coupe plan, a continuity of operations plan on an annual basis.
[6:04:20] So it is any instance of noncompliance with the contract, and the numbers that were determined by the board are outlined in AO3-15.
[6:04:34] okay and is it per fiscal year as the the violations are they? Is it could be
[6:04:42] five violations in a year or is it every time they apply how how do you keep
[6:04:47] track of that? It's an annual monitoring and then they submit a corrective
[6:04:52] action plan and they either clear that or not and then next year we go out with
[6:04:57] fresh set of eyes and we look again.
[6:05:00] And it could be anywhere from zero to one. And to the commissioner Cohen Higgins point also, a lot of the, some of these organizations are smaller CBOs that lack capacity. So there is a lot of work that goes on with a separate team working in conjunction with their contracts officer to provide capacity building technical assistance on an ongoing basis.
[6:05:25] But what's the corrective action is complying with what they were missing? Is it submitting paperwork?
[6:05:33] What is the corrective action?
[6:05:34] It could be all of those things. You didn't do this, explain why,
[6:05:39] give us your plan for correction and by winner you're going to do it.
[6:05:43] Or you failed to provide me this document, provide the document now.
[6:05:48] It's a combination of those things.
[6:05:49] Is there a certain misertiary if I may continue? Is there a certain point where you
[6:05:55] say this organization has not complied, we are no longer going to recommend funding for them
[6:06:01] or do they just, are they continue to allow, are they allowed to continue having violations
[6:06:06] and correcting them over and over and continue receiving funding from the county?
[6:06:10] The answer to your question, I think the way you asked it was, no, they're not allowed to just
[6:06:16] continue on it, you know. So is it like three strikes or out? How is it?
[6:06:21] We identify, we submit a monitoring report to them, we give them an opportunity to submit a corrective action plan.
[6:06:29] We review that, we may negotiate back and forth with them on that, we may say it's not sufficient, need to provide more documentation.
[6:06:37] But no, as indicated previously, one of the three red was not able to submit a corrective action plan, and so we terminated the agreement for lack of performance.
[6:06:47] and that was based on that one year, looking back at that agency, they had a track record of
[6:06:53] difficulty leading up to that. But it was technically within that one year. And another way
[6:06:58] of doing it is we will not execute a current year contract until they have submitted that corrective
[6:07:06] action plan for the prior year and it has been approved by the county. Okay, so that
[6:07:12] But continuing the example of that organization, I don't know which one it is, but would
[6:07:17] they be allowed to reapply in the next fiscal year or are they done receiving, do
[6:07:23] they have to start over, how does it work?
[6:07:25] If there was a new solicitation, they would be eligible to apply.
[6:07:29] They would have to speak to their track record in their proposal.
[6:07:33] But if it's continuation funding, we will not continue.
[6:07:36] Even if the board has them on the list, because at the time the list is generated, they may
[6:07:41] working through a corrective action plan. If they do not successfully clear that corrective
[6:07:47] action plan with the county, we would not execute the subsequent year agreement.
[6:07:52] Okay, so I think it would be helpful as Commissioner Lopez said and I think Commissioner
[6:07:56] Cohen Higgins said to have some of that information as we go into the budget season to have
[6:08:02] that included in the report or in the information that we are considering looking at these
[6:08:12] And look, I appreciate what we were provided.
[6:08:17] I just have two recommendations very similar to what other folks are mentioning.
[6:08:23] First, I think we should have a distinction for non-compliance.
[6:08:27] So if it's non-compliance for not providing financials, that's very different from non-compliance for not sending a form or sending a form lead.
[6:08:36] So, I would appreciate if we broke the non-compliance into ministerial and actionable because that would give us a little bit more information.
[6:08:47] A more concern with a non-profit that is not providing financial information or programming information or attendance information than someone who sends a document in late.
[6:08:59] And to your point, some of them, their new to this, some have been doing this for a long time, some have staff, some don't.
[6:09:06] So I think we need to break down the noncompliance. I like the yellow and the red. I think that that that works
[6:09:12] But within the noncompliance. I would like like a type A and a type B form of noncompliance. Number two
[6:09:20] I think
[6:09:21] I
[6:09:21] I understand that it's annual, but one of the things we try to get people to understand here is it's okay to make a mistake
[6:09:28] Just don't make the same mistake over and over again. So if someone is making the same mistake over and over again
[6:09:33] I would like to know
[6:09:35] And so while you're providing us with annual information, I think it would be beneficial for the board to see in an exhibit five years back and flag anyone that has committed the same mistake.
[6:09:50] Again, okay with new mistakes, but it's the same mistake.
[6:09:53] So if you have not submitted your financials in a timely fashion for two or three years.
[6:10:00] For three years, I think that's important, even if that got you a yellow, because that shows a much bigger issue
[6:10:07] that I think the board needs to consider when providing funding. So those would be my two recommendations. Thank you.
[6:10:15] All right. Vice Chairman.
[6:10:18] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you, Mr. Wall, for everything you've done and continue doing the great work you do.
[6:10:24] Just a quick question as it relates to the report.
[6:10:31] What does it mean in terms of the color coding that we're seeing here?
[6:10:37] Are we saying that many of the legacy CBOs that you engaged with are in compliance, not compliance, or is there a mixture?
[6:10:49] It's a mixture.
[6:10:50] Green would say that they are in good standing.
[6:10:53] Yellow means that there were a number of findings that as per A03-15 required a possible suspension
[6:11:06] or hold placed on their payments until they resolved their corrective action plan.
[6:11:13] And red were, you know, serious violations where the suspension was never resolved, although
[6:11:20] as I was so in this report card, you had 117 organizations of which 114 received, I'm sorry,
[6:11:34] 104 received a green rating, 104 out of 117, 19 were yellow and three were red.
[6:11:43] And of the three, since the time this report was issued, one has resolved it and has converted
[6:11:49] from red to yellow, one has the contract has been terminated and one declined the funding.
[6:11:57] And thank you so much. So I asked that question because
[6:12:10] can we lower down the background?
[6:12:13] Thank you. I asked that question because in reviewing this memo, it's almost as if this is a vindication
[6:12:21] for the CBOs, who were pretty much tarnished with the perception that CBOs are taking
[6:12:29] monies and are not being in compliance with the county's requirements, but it's also
[6:12:34] a great indicator that not only should we continue the funding and continue watching over
[6:12:41] these CBOs to ensure that they do the right thing, but it's also the very reason why I stated
[6:12:46] before and I'll say it again, that CBOs and Miami-Dade County should have their own trust
[6:12:55] fund, that would allow for them to receive funding, that they don't have to compete with
[6:13:01] other buckets and pots of money within Miami-Dade County.
[6:13:06] When this proposal was first made, I thought to get clarification because of the rumour meal
[6:13:16] that was consuming the air, that CBOs in Miami-Dade County didn't deserve the money, or they
[6:13:26] should go out and raise their own fund, or they should put themselves up by their own bootstraps.
[6:13:31] But this is this very memo right here in my humble opinion, is a form of vindication that should
[6:13:37] say to the CBOs, not only have you been vindicated by the county's research, not only have you been
[6:13:43] indicated by the counties in debt research, but you've been
[6:13:47] vindicated because you've been doing the right thing. And I am going
[6:13:52] to continuously push. And I hope that one day, this item becomes part
[6:13:58] of the law in Miami, the county. That CBO should be allowed to have
[6:14:03] its own trust fund to find it. And I think this is a great starting
[6:14:08] point, so we can have that discussion. And thirdly, let me just
[6:14:12] publicly say to the mayor. I've said it before and I'll say it again.
[6:14:18] She has
[6:14:19] been one of the greatest advocates for CBOs. And I thank you for hearing
[6:14:24] us and ensuring that part of the budget that they are restored and what
[6:14:30] you did and I can tell you about the meetings we've had with the CBOs, there
[6:14:35] are truly thankful to you and for you for doing this. But at the same time I
[6:14:41] also understand that when the CBOs lack a clear line,
[6:14:50] as it relates to receiving funding,
[6:14:52] it creates havoc with not only their funders, but whether or not they're going to be
[6:14:58] able to carry forth.
[6:15:00] The programs that they are doing now into the near future. So I'll say this report did and said exactly what I figured it would say that these CBOs are doing well. These legacy CBOs. And lastly, I do not believe that this particular point farm share should be included into the legacy CBOs.
[6:15:21] I think farm shares should be a separate item that allow for us to fund it like we fund
[6:15:26] other items separately, where they don't have to compete for funding.
[6:15:31] I can never understand why we are asking an organization like Farm Share that feeds the
[6:15:37] majority of the people who are struggling to survive in Miami-Days County.
[6:15:41] We're actually pitting them up against other CBOs for funding.
[6:15:45] If we're going to fund and take care of the people who are least lost and sometimes left out because of policy, not because of their own beliefs, but because of policy.
[6:15:56] We should at least identify the fact that farm shares should not be competing for funding.
[6:16:03] Farm shares should be a source of income.
[6:16:05] have a source of income that will always be there each and every year so they know exactly how many more
[6:16:12] people they would need to feed in order to make those people hold again as relates to their ability
[6:16:18] to provide a quality of life for themselves. So publicly, Mr. Wall, I wanted publicly to say again,
[6:16:23] thank you. You've always been there every time I call, your work is impeccable and I just hope
[6:16:29] this becomes the foundational point when discussions are going to be had that really goes to the
[6:16:35] the quality of life questioning for people in our community.
[6:16:38] That's it.
[6:16:40] All right, so we've got Commissioner Vermuters.
[6:16:44] I'm just gonna, I would like to make sure
[6:16:45] that I agree with Commissioner Lopez a thousand percent,
[6:16:49] and I believe that we need those numbers.
[6:16:52] So I hope that whatever you give her
[6:16:55] and give Commissioner Orvisor the committee
[6:16:58] that you also provided,
[6:16:59] because I don't have a problem with CBOs.
[6:17:02] I do think that we have a whole department
[6:17:04] dedicated to them was just amazing to me, but the bottom line is you do have to monitor them,
[6:17:09] make sure that they're doing what they're supposed to do, and I do believe that they should
[6:17:13] have, as Commissioner Lopez said, we got to see if they're getting federal, state grants,
[6:17:18] where is their money coming from?
[6:17:18] And I think there are good CBOs, there are bad CBOs, like there's good people and bad people,
[6:17:23] and everything.
[6:17:23] And I think we have an obligation to look at that annually actually, and I would just like
[6:17:30] Whatever numbers you provide to Commissioner Lopez, if you could, and to Commissioner Orbus, please provide it to the rest of us.
[6:17:36] Through the chair, the report that we're referencing is agenda item number 14 B2.
[6:17:42] And so again, we did provide that information.
[6:17:45] It's about 60 pages. So we're happy to supplement an augment.
[6:17:49] We're taking copious notes of all the recommendations and suggestions. Thank you.
[6:17:54] All right. So I'm entertaining a motion now on 2 B5 and 14 B2.
[6:17:59] It's been moved by the Vice Chair, seconded by Commissioner Lopez.
[6:18:02] On February 16th, 5 by Sayonai, all opposed nay, show to be 5 and 14, be to pass.
[6:18:12] All right.
[6:18:12] I'm going to take up Item 8k1, I'm the pulling commissioner for a floor amendment.
[6:18:18] If the county attorney's can read it, that's 8k1.
[6:18:32] Chairman Rodriguez moves to item 8k1, on page MDC-031 in Exhibit C, reduced from 373,430
[6:18:41] dollars to 300,000, the recommended amount of recaptured community development block grant
[6:18:47] commission district funds from district 10. From Miami-Dade County Housing and Community
[6:18:51] Development for economic development activities. On page MDC-035 in Exhibit D, reduced from
[6:18:57] $7,330 to $300,000.
[6:19:01] The recommended amount of reallocated communities
[6:19:02] of element block grant commission district funds from District 10.
[6:19:06] From Miami Died County Community Services Department
[6:19:08] for the District 10, housing, beautification
[6:19:10] and rehabilitation program.
[6:19:13] On page MDC025 in Exhibit A,
[6:19:16] remove the recommendation to award 126,570 dollars
[6:19:21] of community development block grant commission district
[6:19:24] funds from District 10 to Miami Died County Community
[6:19:27] services department for housing beautification and rehabilitation services in district 10.
[6:19:31] On page mdc-018 and exhibit a increase from 488,000 to 508,000 the funding recommendation
[6:19:39] for my immediate county housing community development public service.
[6:19:43] On page mdc-018 and exhibit a increase from 171,990 to 198,501 dollars the funding recommendation
[6:19:53] for Miami-D County Housing and Community Development, Economic Development, Housing, Public
[6:19:57] Facilities, and Capital Improvements.
[6:20:03] All right. All right. All to take a motion on that on May be half. The Vice Chair moves it. Seconded by Commissioner Gonzalez on favor signify by say aye.
[6:20:13] All opposed nay. All right.
[6:20:18] Next up, I got, I got, eating commissioners. So I'm going to skip one.
[6:20:25] I'm going to skip, let's go to 2b8, 2b8, commissioner from district 5, are you here?
[6:20:39] Okay, all right, no, commissioner from district 8 is not here, okay.
[6:20:44] So, I can take mine, which one you have?
[6:20:46] You want to take, okay, let's take up 2b6.
[6:20:51] I'm here, commissioner.
[6:20:54] To be six, it's really quick.
[6:20:56] We talked about this at Transit Committee, so I just wanted to mention it again.
[6:21:00] I appreciate the report on the electric buses, but I really think that we need an update
[6:21:05] of what's happening with the litigation and the bankruptcy and all of that.
[6:21:09] We have a discussion item on that too, so we could.
[6:21:12] So, happy to move it.
[6:21:13] Okay.
[6:21:13] It's been moved by Commissioner Regalado.
[6:21:15] Seconded by the Vice Chair, Alan Faber signify by say aye.
[6:21:19] I'll oppose nay, short pass, to be 10, commissioner from District 7.
[6:21:29] To be 10, I appreciate the report.
[6:21:32] The only thing that I think we should consider when we do this report is also evaluating
[6:21:37] our lobbyists.
[6:21:38] We changed the way that we hired our lobbyists this last time around and there were a lot
[6:21:44] of expectations and I know that it was a difficult session, but we've had two difficult
[6:21:49] So I think moving forward we should have like a post-mortem and really look at, you know, how how people did so that we can use that to inform our decisions when we choose our lobbying team for the for the next year.
[6:22:06] Happy to move it.
[6:22:07] All right, it's been moved to be 10 has been moved by Commissioner Gallardo's seconded by the vice chair.
[6:22:14] All in favour, signify by say an aye.
[6:22:17] All opposed nay.
[6:22:18] Show a past.
[6:22:19] To be eight, commissioner from district five, you're recognized followed by commissioner from district eight.
[6:22:23] Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman.
[6:22:25] So I had a quick question.
[6:22:27] I noted that we have 525 million in outstanding county debt as of last year.
[6:22:33] So my question is, a couple of things and if you don't have it, you can certainly get it to me.
[6:22:38] But how long has this debt been outstanding?
[6:22:40] It's almost a half a billion dollars.
[6:22:44] Through the chair, our director of internal compliance.
[6:22:48] Thank you, director.
[6:22:50] Hi, I'm Felia Tamayo, director of internal compliance.
[6:22:52] The current collection division falls under me.
[6:22:56] Actually, the county with the current collection team, we collect accounts that are older than four years old,
[6:23:02] usually and up to probably 30 years old. So it's a very long outstanding debt that we collect
[6:23:10] on behalf of not just county departments but also Jackson Health System.
[6:23:14] Okay, so as a follow-up question. So I know that Commissioner Cohen Higgins, we passed
[6:23:22] a resolution to see if a third party could do better than we're doing. And I noted that
[6:23:29] said that only 8% you thought were eligible for sale to third-party collection agencies, and
[6:23:34] then you went on to say that this was based on legal risks, data validation, challenges,
[6:23:40] and impacts to constituent services.
[6:23:43] I don't understand that only because there's lots of doctors' offices that have lots of
[6:23:49] confidential information that always send their receivables out to a third-party, so can
[6:23:55] expand is to why only eight percent could be sent to a third party for collection.
[6:24:01] Great question. So this report, the way it was directed to the administration,
[6:24:06] was to not include Jackson Health. So this report, this balance,
[6:24:10] does not include the physicians or the hospital bills. This balance is for county departments.
[6:24:17] And so with the county departments, there is compliance. It's not just a collection that we do.
[6:24:22] We were closely with the county departments that had to affect rate compliance along with this outstanding amounts.
[6:24:29] The wait. So the 525 million includes Jackson or does not include just not.
[6:24:35] What is, do you have what Jackson's debt is? What is that?
[6:24:39] About two billion.
[6:24:40] Two billion?
[6:24:42] Mm-hmm.
[6:24:44] So you can, you can imagine why I'm, I'm somewhat stunned by these numbers,
[6:24:50] especially when we are struggling to find revenue streams.
[6:24:56] So what is Jackson doing to collect it?
[6:25:01] So we are in close contact with Jackson, and we're actually the tertiary collector. So they have an in-house collector. They also have another set of outside collectors, along with us as a tertiary collectors for them. So they do have some efforts to collect their own debt.
[6:25:20] So, at what point does do we write off that debt?
[6:25:26] I mean, you're telling me that four to 30 years.
[6:25:28] I mean, at some juncture, from an accounting standpoint,
[6:25:31] I'm an accountant by trading and by trade,
[6:25:34] I don't understand any of this.
[6:25:36] So, we're actually in conversation with them,
[6:25:38] because there's a statute that has been passed,
[6:25:40] which may limit us collecting up to three years.
[6:25:44] So, we are working with them on that to understand that better.
[6:25:47] So they may have, they do, we call back accounts very often from us when they're not deemed
[6:25:54] collectible.
[6:25:55] So we work closely with them.
[6:25:56] So can you provide me with the amounts that are four years, five years, I mean, an
[6:26:03] aging of these, we can, we can't provide that to you.
[6:26:06] Yes, I can separate them out between Jackson and what's county departments, absolutely.
[6:26:10] We can, I would urge my colleagues to direct them out.
[6:26:13] My moment commissioner, please, can we just have silence while the commissioner speaking
[6:26:20] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[6:26:21] Sorry about that.
[6:26:22] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[6:26:23] I just, I think these are very large numbers.
[6:26:28] Clearly, two billion from Jackson, half a billion for the county departments.
[6:26:32] At some juncture, we either have to collect this, or we have to write it off.
[6:26:38] But we can't continue to carry this kind of huge, bad, I mean, collectables.
[6:26:44] They're either receivables or they're not receivables.
[6:26:46] at which point I don't even know anymore but I will once I get the aging. So thank you so much, Mr. Chairman.
[6:26:52] Thank you, commissioner. Are there any commissioners?
[6:26:56] Thank you, Mr. Vice Chair. And thank you commissioner Lopez for your line of questioning.
[6:27:01] When these numbers were first brought to my attention when I asked for this report some time ago.
[6:27:06] I don't remember the date that the report passed, but it was quite some time ago.
[6:27:10] I too was stunned by your numbers, and I want to be clear, Madam Director Jackson was excluded
[6:27:16] because you all advised me that Jackson essentially needed to be excluded.
[6:27:21] That you all were the absolute final stop for Jackson, and that for whatever the reason,
[6:27:26] selling Jackson's debt was not something that was feasible at all for you all to do.
[6:27:31] So to be clear, something I directed you all to exclude Jackson's debt, you all told me that Jackson
[6:27:36] had to be excluded and so just to clarify regarding the line of questioning with Commissioner
[6:27:42] Lopez. And so let's remove the $2 billion not saying that we should, but assuming that
[6:27:48] the guidance that I was given is accurate and there's tons of supporting information as to why
[6:27:52] we would need to exclude the $2 billion. We saw a $500 million that is owed to Miami-Date County.
[6:28:00] And this report says, as you already articulated Commissioner Lopez, that only as fractional percentage
[6:28:05] is somehow valid or viable to be sold to a third party.
[6:28:12] Now, I know it's been a long time since we have engaged with or solicited or entertained
[6:28:17] the idea of utilizing a third-party service, but it's also been a long time since we've been
[6:28:23] in the financial position that we are in here in Miami-Tee County.
[6:28:26] And if you represent in this report that $40 million is viable or legit to potentially be sold
[6:28:33] on the third market, I'll take it.
[6:28:35] Like let's start there.
[6:28:37] If we can sell 40 million dollars of old age debt
[6:28:40] for 10 or 20 million dollars, I'll take it.
[6:28:44] Like I will take it.
[6:28:45] And so I would like and to the attorneys
[6:28:48] and assuming obviously I want to hear from my colleagues
[6:28:51] and hear if they're supportive of this,
[6:28:53] this is simply a report.
[6:28:55] You all do not take the next step to actually go out
[6:28:58] and find a third party to try and sell
[6:29:01] that very tiny fractional percentage
[6:29:02] that you all represent is only the debt that we can sell, but I want you to take it as a further.
[6:29:08] We need the money. And so, what do I need to do? Assuming the support of my colleagues to actually
[6:29:14] trigger you all going out and making the effort to sell that debt. And again, we're just talking
[6:29:20] about a universe of $40 million. So just some clarification, while there was $41 million in the market,
[6:29:26] our understanding is that the return is a penny to five cents on that dollar. So the
[6:29:32] To turn in the market could be around $410,000 to $2 million for that $41 million.
[6:29:40] The county with our collectors that we have in house, I'll give you an example to date
[6:29:45] we've collected about $21 million gross.
[6:29:49] That represents the referred amount to us from the departments and I just want to clarify
[6:29:54] those are not our receivables.
[6:29:57] It is the department's right, it started as a department.
[6:30:00] We don't carry receivables for my department, so it's on behalf of someone else. So I'll just give you an example.
[6:30:07] So today we've collected $21 million of gross. We distribute 70% of the money directly back to departments in Jackson.
[6:30:15] The original amount was about 42 million. So that represents that we're collecting about 51% of this money. That's been outstanding.
[6:30:26] So that is why we caution, instead of selling it to a third party, we believe that our
[6:30:32] department could do much better, and we can also provide the direct service to our constituents
[6:30:39] instead of a third party going and trying to collect this money from the residents.
[6:30:44] The other factor for the departments in the county is that it is not just collecting money,
[6:30:51] It is also making sure that they are in compliance with whatever it is that initiated a fee or a code compliance
[6:30:59] that was issued to the resident or the business.
[6:31:03] So, thank you for that explanation, but I am perplexed.
[6:31:07] You're representing that your department has a 50% collection rate of all debts that you all collect for.
[6:31:14] 50, there's apartments on the Jackson as a collective as an amount and I'm just referring to this fiscal year, what we've done today for, but you're collecting 20 million dollars, not on 40 million dollars of debt, you're collecting 20 million dollars on what aggregate number.
[6:31:30] That is that represents about 41 million so as the accounts command they get referred to our collectors and our collectors handle them just like files on a desk.
[6:31:37] That is what we do internally.
[6:31:39] So then what is the number of the $2 billion and the $500 million?
[6:31:43] What is it that you're collecting on the $2 billion and the $500 million?
[6:31:47] That is all collected, right?
[6:31:49] That all those files are brought into our system that we manage in house,
[6:31:53] and then we allocate these collectible amounts to our collectors,
[6:31:58] and that's what they do on a daily basis.
[6:32:00] They reach out, we also send letters.
[6:32:02] No, yeah, so this is not particularly complex at all.
[6:32:06] And so you've represented that your collection rate is at 50%
[6:32:10] and that you've collected $21 million today.
[6:32:13] What's being eliminated is the other very important number.
[6:32:17] I'm just trying to get what that number is.
[6:32:19] You've represented that there's two billion
[6:32:20] in outstanding debt service for Jackson alone
[6:32:24] in 500 million countywide.
[6:32:27] I don't understand how you represent the $21 million
[6:32:29] is a 50% collection rate.
[6:32:31] That's what I'm just trying to understand.
[6:32:33] The math is not mathing.
[6:32:34] Okay, let me try to explain it a different way.
[6:32:39] So we are, let's say we get referred on a daily basis
[6:32:42] of 1,000 accounts, right?
[6:32:43] So on a daily basis, we get 1,000 accounts
[6:32:46] within a amount attached to it.
[6:32:48] So those accounts come into our system that we hold in house
[6:32:50] and then we allocate it to our collectors
[6:32:54] as files, right?
[6:32:55] These are what you have to collect.
[6:32:58] So they go through their files, right, on their system.
[6:33:01] They could have, I don't know, 5,000 files at a time.
[6:33:04] and then they act on those collections.
[6:33:07] But our inventory, right?
[6:33:09] Our inventory is that big balance that you see.
[6:33:12] And so we're actively trying to collect
[6:33:14] on that inventory that is sitting in our system.
[6:33:18] So it's in the aggregate.
[6:33:23] So here's the thing.
[6:33:25] I'm going to yield floor to my colleagues.
[6:33:27] I know that the Vice Chairman has the Gable.
[6:33:29] I'm going to yield the floor to my colleagues
[6:33:30] because I see a lot of, and so I'm going to yield the floor.
[6:33:34] But I'm not entirely sure that the question that I asked has been answered.
[6:33:39] And again, I think my goal has been crystal clear on this for the six and a half seven
[6:33:44] eight nine months that we've been working on this. And I hope my colleague sentiment is similar.
[6:33:51] If we as an entity, we say all the time, the mayor is the CEO of a $17 billion corporation.
[6:33:58] We use that analogy frequently. If we have this much debt on our books and the
[6:34:03] director of the department charged with collecting that debt is making a public representation
[6:34:08] on the record that your collection rate is 50%. And that's $21 million annually.
[6:34:15] Two things cannot be true at the exact same time. That means that the aggregate outstanding
[6:34:19] debt is $40 million, not $2.5 billion dollars. And I'm not math inclined. I'm a lawyer.
[6:34:26] That right. Numbers don't necessarily make the most amount of sense for me. But this at the most
[6:34:31] basic level does. And so I've asked you a number of different times essentially the same thing to
[6:34:36] what I believe is a very simple question, and I'm not sure why I'm not getting a response
[6:34:41] to what I think is a very simple question. To me, it yields what I think is an even greater need
[6:34:48] to consider using third parties to collect our debt. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[6:34:53] I'm sorry, through the chair. Madam Chair, just not a mayor.
[6:34:58] We understand there's been some confusing...
[6:35:00] Information here, we're just trying to make it clear, because obviously by mentioning half a million dollars, she's confusing what the total amount of payments versus what is not collected.
[6:35:14] So we just need to clarify that if Nameda Apal could just take a second to try to clarify.
[6:35:21] Nameda, go ahead and clarify that, and then Commissioner Gilbert is going to come in on that one, after that.
[6:35:27] Thank you commissioner. I think director Tomio saying that off the 42 million that was that they were collecting
[6:35:36] they were able to collect 21 million
[6:35:40] so
[6:35:41] Why did
[6:35:42] Hold on one no no no no no no no no, no, no no. One second one second
[6:35:47] Let me listen everyone. We're going to do this in order
[6:35:50] Notice this is exciting topic, but
[6:35:53] No, I'm going to please come back really quickly clear it clear up the air and then we'll
[6:35:59] Give the mic over to commissioner Gilbert
[6:36:04] So the total outstanding debt for the county is over 500 million
[6:36:10] 400 million
[6:36:13] Of the 41 million that the staff was collecting was responsible or doing making the calls issuing the letters
[6:36:20] They were able to collect 21
[6:36:23] So that's why she's saying the point of order, just stop, please.
[6:36:27] Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, listen, listen, listen guys, listen, listen, listen, we're
[6:36:32] going to do this in order.
[6:36:33] I get it, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to get there, no, I'm going to come back
[6:36:38] to the podium, please, no, I'm going to,
[6:36:45] all right, I apologize, but you're going to be
[6:36:54] what you stated and then again I'm going to refer to Commissioner Gilbert for questioning
[6:36:59] and then we'll go down the line for other questioning but I want to give you that respect
[6:37:03] so let's try that again you repeat the numbers and then if someone has questions we'll
[6:37:09] get those questions answered okay of the 42 million staff was able to get 21 million so
[6:37:18] approximately 50 percent that's what director was saying excuse me I do have clarification
[6:37:26] matter mayor coming one second let me let me just go around the board I'm
[6:37:30] I'm sorry because you know wait for us one number to give you she's only
[6:37:35] talking about the parts that are in active collection the rest of the money
[6:37:38] yes of course we're we're still billing but the active collection part she's
[6:37:43] saying when they assign a case for active collection they're receiving 50% back
[6:37:47] thank you madam Eric commissioner Gilbert so I'm going to say this like not
[6:37:53] accountant. All right, this 500 million of, oh, that's, this owed us. But of that 500 million,
[6:38:01] they're only working on around this year. They're working on 42 million of it because they don't
[6:38:07] have enough people to work on all 500 million at the same time. So what they're working on is that
[6:38:14] what they were signed is 42 of the 500. Of the 42 that they have a signed, they have collected
[6:38:23] 21, thus they're 50% of collections recovery of what they're actually working on when they finish
[6:38:32] and they clear new file then they add another file to it because they're working within the confines of their personnel.
[6:38:42] And so they don't have a thousand people to collect the debts, they have a very specific number.
[6:38:48] that that's how you're getting to the 50 percent. That's how you get there without sounding
[6:38:55] like that. Thank you. Thank you commissioner. Give me one second. District five. Thank you.
[6:39:02] Congratulations next. So it sounds like if you're going at this rate, they're going to hit $250
[6:39:07] million in collecting collections and which is a great number. 50 percent. But commission
[6:39:15] of Vicki Lopez. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess I would argue that if you
[6:39:21] have 525 million that is outstanding and you only have so much personnel to do 41 million right
[6:39:31] now. Here's the question. It is the receivable amount actually real because if it's 30 years old,
[6:39:39] I'm an argue, you're probably not going to get it, which is why I have asked for the aging because
[6:39:45] And as an accountant, that's what we do.
[6:39:48] We look at receivables and we look at aging.
[6:39:50] And we say, that's probably now going to be a bad debt.
[6:39:54] And you write it off as uncollectable.
[6:39:56] So I don't know that $525 million is actually received.
[6:40:00] I get what Commissioner Gilbert said. It's a great clarification of what they're doing. But until I get an aging, I as an accountant can't make sense of this number. And that's all I've asked for. Because now I recognize that we haven't even touched Jackson. And I don't know why we haven't touched Jackson. But you know, that's yet another story. I guess to be discovered further on down the line. But, currently, I want to know the aging of the 525 million. And how it came to be that only,
[6:40:29] 40, the 8% were decided that those were the ones.
[6:40:35] Hopefully they're the ones that are current, that you think you might get it because obviously
[6:40:40] with a 50% percentage of success may be so, but I'm still not convinced it's 525 million.
[6:40:49] Thank you commissioner.
[6:40:50] Until the administration, why haven't she received the aging request that she made?
[6:40:57] I guess that's a simple question.
[6:40:58] Through this, I share thank you, my understanding that request was just me, but if you look at the table
[6:41:05] That's in the memo. We actually do list the average age with the active balances and then we give a percentage or per portion of what is actually collectable based on the
[6:41:18] the benchmarks in the industry and so our team is actually exceeding benchmarks for collections
[6:41:27] of their age. I do agree and I think Commissioner Gilbert said it very well and eloquently
[6:41:34] we're working at capacity. Greater capacity gives you greater opportunity. However, there's a
[6:41:42] variable in there, which is the age and the likelihood of collecting.
[6:41:48] So just adding people does not necessarily result in the quality of that product being delivered.
[6:41:57] And so we have maximized our potential, we are exceeding benchmarks in the area of collections.
[6:42:03] But naturally, if there were more resources available at it earlier point in time, then some
[6:42:09] these things may not get to age.
[6:42:12] To the point of Jackson, Jackson actually comes to us
[6:42:16] as their last resort.
[6:42:18] So they try to do everything they can to collect the debt.
[6:42:23] And then as opposed to just saying never mind,
[6:42:26] it's bad debt.
[6:42:27] They say can your team take one last try.
[6:42:30] As of today, I believe we've collected about $2 million
[6:42:35] for Jackson.
[6:42:36] And so that's bad debt commissioner Lopez that they probably would not have gotten because
[6:42:42] they'd exhausted their other resources and have seen the capacity of our team to collect
[6:42:49] with compassion within our values and to help families who might be out of compliance or
[6:42:55] in a bad spot find resources.
[6:42:57] That's the difference between us and a collection agency.
[6:43:01] Thank you so much.
[6:43:02] Commissioner Gonzalez.
[6:43:04] Thank you so much, Mr. Chair, and I want to thank the Chief for that explanation.
[6:43:08] I think that her, I think we should probably put forward a motion to deem her and Commissioner
[6:43:15] Gilbert, our official accounting translators, because that was fantastic.
[6:43:22] However, two Commissioner Lopez and Commissioner Cohen Higgins's point, I think it would
[6:43:28] be a good idea.
[6:43:30] And I think that this is what we're trying to get to, to the chief's point, there is some
[6:43:36] debt that perhaps can be deemed uncollectable.
[6:43:40] And the director made a good, a good analysis because I've seen that collection in the
[6:43:45] past through the legal field, sometimes you can only sell it on pennies to the dollar.
[6:43:50] But perhaps an analysis can be made to that debt that we're deemed uncollectable.
[6:43:55] We don't have to expend resources on people that could be collecting collectible debt and rather we might be able to
[6:44:06] Commissioner Cohen Higgins's point to sell that uncollectable debt even if it is on pennies on the dollar
[6:44:13] Because we're gonna get something now the new debt that's coming in if we're getting a 50%
[6:44:20] Turn around on that
[6:44:22] Then we need to expand all resources on that new debt, analyze the uncollectable debt, and perhaps sell that.
[6:44:33] I don't want to speak for Commissioner Lopez, but I think that that is where we're trying to go with this, and it would be a great idea to at least get something.
[6:44:41] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[6:44:44] Thank you, Commissioner.
[6:44:47] Commissioner, good before clarification.
[6:44:50] Yeah, my original point that I was going to make on this debt was I'm just a couple of things to the folks who we can do
[6:44:56] We have the will of this body is of course where we vote we do it but remember
[6:45:00] Remember that some of this debt is attached to stuff that people actually need, and so when they use the words like humane
[6:45:06] collection, what we're saying is some of our debts like people who water gets turned off for lack of payment.
[6:45:16] So people need water to live. Sometimes people don't have money to pay for water.
[6:45:22] and so I think that let's just be mindful when we go for assigning these things to
[6:45:31] collection agencies that we're collecting some of these collections are against
[6:45:37] our residents. For stuff that they actually need and they might not be able to
[6:45:45] for by no fault of their own. I just want to be mindful of that. And then also, if we go down
[6:45:54] the road of bringing in someone to collect on debt, I would prefer them not collect or us not
[6:46:02] assigned debts to them where we have a lever to push. And what is a good example? So we get to
[6:46:07] turn back on water when you pay. So we know that ultimately if you're still living in a place that
[6:46:12] We can actually, we have something we can do to you to actually compel you to pay.
[6:46:17] That debt is a lot more recoverable.
[6:46:20] Let's not sell that or sign that out to a debt collection agency.
[6:46:26] But I just wanted to be careful, because we do need money, but remember, these debts, a lot
[6:46:33] of them could be against the group of people who we all acknowledge don't have a lot
[6:46:38] of money to give.
[6:46:39] That's it, Mr. Chairman.
[6:46:40] Thank you.
[6:46:41] Commissioner Reglaro. Thank you, and I was going to say almost exactly that commissioner. The only thing I was going to add is that unlike debt collectors in some of these debts, we have the opportunity to collect more even though it's over a long period of time when the individual comes back to open an account to get a permit to have service at Jackson. So that's a different situation from if we sell it and we get pennies on the dollar.
[6:47:10] It does not harm us to hold that debt for a long period of time if what we're going to receive is so much larger than the sale minus the profit that a company is going to make.
[6:47:25] So I understand how on paper it may look very attractive but you should consider that as a county we actually win in some cases by holding it longer.
[6:47:37] because when they come in, they have to pay all of it in order to continue that process with us.
[6:47:43] So I think some of that has been lost in the translation here and to Commissioner Gilbert's point,
[6:47:51] these are human beings and a lot of these services are necessary services.
[6:47:56] That being said, I think the administration has clearly heard what the majority of the board believes,
[6:48:04] And what I would recommend is an exercise for the establishment of what is uncollectable
[6:48:12] debt.
[6:48:13] I think that's really what we're talking about, separate in a part from the sale and what
[6:48:17] you may or may not think is the value of the debt.
[6:48:20] Should we have a vehicle where at some point we determine it uncollectable and then it could
[6:48:26] go somewhere.
[6:48:27] As opposed to us making that determination without the data.
[6:48:31] So I would recommend that the administration go back and kind of bring us some, you know, parameters for a determination of uncollectable.
[6:48:42] I think that would make everyone feel a lot better and address some of the concerns.
[6:48:47] Thank you.
[6:48:48] Thank you, Commissioner Commissioner Vermuters.
[6:48:50] I'll be brief.
[6:48:52] I agree with Commissioner Lopez that this huge debt is obviously something that I agree with
[6:49:00] Commissioner Gilbert, the administration's statement of collecting with compassion is fair,
[6:49:08] but there's nothing wrong with combining two things, the work we have from the department
[6:49:13] to maybe some collection that getting something back is, you know, 10% of something is better
[6:49:21] than 0% of a lot more.
[6:49:23] And I don't think that every collection agency and I don't have one, I'm not involved in one,
[6:49:27] necessarily is, you know, not compassionate.
[6:49:32] I just think we, there's nothing wrong.
[6:49:34] I just want the administration to know that I don't,
[6:49:37] there's nothing wrong with a mix between one and the other.
[6:49:39] That's all.
[6:49:40] And I think that's what some of my colleagues were saying.
[6:49:43] Let's look at what we can get back,
[6:49:46] even if we don't have to add additional staff,
[6:49:48] which then it will be a cost, an additional cost.
[6:49:51] So that's it.
[6:49:52] That's all I got to say.
[6:49:53] I hope that we can, and that does not mean
[6:49:56] we still cannot be compassionate, even if it's outsourced.
[6:50:01] Thank you, Commissioner. Thank you, Commissioner. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So thank you, Chief, for pointing out the chart.
[6:50:11] I'll give you a perfect example. There are 10 accounts under public works that total 63, 64 million dollars that have been 30 years. Now, it's 10 accounts.
[6:50:24] I'm pretty sure that we could probably say and I'm sure the administration could tell us
[6:50:30] the number of hours they've spent trying to collect them over the 30 years, right?
[6:50:36] This is a perfect example of the kind of thing that you would send to a third party because
[6:50:40] either they get pennies to the dollar and we get something because so far, 10 accounts have
[6:50:46] been outstanding to the 264 million dollars for 30 years.
[6:50:51] That's the only point I was trying to make as an accountant that you have to make a decision,
[6:50:58] whether or not after all of your efforts for 30 years you have not been able to collect it.
[6:51:03] Maybe somebody can get us pennies on the dollar.
[6:51:07] That's what you do.
[6:51:09] That doesn't mean that you're not being compassionate.
[6:51:12] That means that for 30 years 10 accounts have decided not to pay us.
[6:51:17] And if you take it to a third party and they can't collect any of it, it's written off as a bad debt.
[6:51:25] Although I would tell you that no accountant would allow you to carry this receivable on their books for 30 years.
[6:51:31] There's not an accountant worth their weight and salt that would have allowed that.
[6:51:34] So I'm just, and I'm looking at the next level, 60 accounts in RER.
[6:51:41] totaling 15 million has been outstanding for 21 days, 21 years. Again, if you've tried to
[6:51:49] collect it and you've done all you could for 21 years there are 60 accounts that
[6:51:56] maybe someone can get us pennies to the dollar. That's the only point I was trying to make
[6:52:01] because the aging tells the story and that alone should tell us something.
[6:52:09] Thank you, Commissioner.
[6:52:10] Do we have a motion to move this report?
[6:52:13] Seeing one moment.
[6:52:17] Commissioner Conehiggins.
[6:52:17] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[6:52:18] Thank you to my colleagues on the conversation.
[6:52:20] What is it that we are doing?
[6:52:22] Are we just going to pass the report?
[6:52:23] What's up in the report?
[6:52:24] We're going to get another report just to be clear to the administration.
[6:52:28] Are we going to get a subsequent report?
[6:52:30] No.
[6:52:31] Yes.
[6:52:33] We will provide the aging report as requested.
[6:52:36] And I think we'll also clarify some of this discussion because clearly when it was presented, it wasn't clear as it could have been so we want to make sure you have that correct information
[6:52:45] But we will give you the aging information and we will also make a recommendation as to how long we should carry that debt versus
[6:52:58] Selling it for pennies on the dollar absolutely.
[6:53:00] she the conversation and all of the comments that have been made and you know we these are the
[6:53:05] conversations we have to make because as we enter budget season you know a number of us have
[6:53:10] already communicated our intention to take these dives and these things but we can't keep saying
[6:53:16] that we need to make tough decisions while simultaneously saying that we are not willing to collect on
[6:53:23] $2.5 billion worth of debt like something has to something has to give at some point so I believe that
[6:53:30] is a universe where we can use an agency that engages with the compassion that we require,
[6:53:38] that we can collect as much of this money in addition to what the department is doing
[6:53:42] and is doing a great job doing. I'm looking to compliment not to replace. I want to make
[6:53:46] that very, very clear. But if your capacity is only giving you the ability to work on $40
[6:53:52] million at a time when we have 2.5 billion, clearly help is necessary and help is necessary
[6:53:59] in that department and help us necessary with our budget issues as well so I look forward to the
[6:54:04] subsequent report that will be forthcoming and hopefully we can get some greater percentages
[6:54:09] of those dollars collected. Thank you Mr. Vice Chair. Thank you Commissioner Orbis please and
[6:54:13] follow back Commissioner Gonzalez. Thank you Mr. Chair just to add on to what everybody has said.
[6:54:18] I know you're going to include the aging and the memo and the report that's coming back and we also
[6:54:22] get the categories of the type of debt and the likelihood of collection. I know that that's in your
[6:54:28] recommendation, but historically right, what have you seen that you've been able to collect
[6:54:32] and I'm over the last 20 or 30 years, if we have that data, if we could also get the
[6:54:38] type of debt, that would be great.
[6:54:41] Yes.
[6:54:41] Okay.
[6:54:42] Thank you.
[6:54:43] Commissioner Gonzalez.
[6:54:44] Yeah.
[6:54:44] So I'd like to piggyback off what Commissioner Million Orbus and Commissioner Cohen Higgins
[6:54:49] said.
[6:54:50] I do appreciate the mayor's comments that they're diligently taking notes on this conversation
[6:54:55] perhaps. It would be good for the county.
[6:55:00] Attorney's office to give us a more of a narrow instruction so that there's no confusion, and by the time the administration comes back with a report, they're not left with coming up short. So I love the fact that you said we should have categories, definitely think we should have categories. I want to hear from Commissioner Lopez and Commissioner Cohen Higgins if they'd like to chime in, but we definitely want categories.
[6:55:26] We want to identify how long the debt is being or has been uncollected, perhaps it would
[6:55:36] be a good idea to include how many attempts have been made so that we can then decide,
[6:55:46] hey, we're spending extra money and this is where we should stop and I would like to get the
[6:55:53] administration's recommendation on that that they being hey this is uncollectable this is not
[6:55:59] something that that we're probably ever going to collect so if anything this is that that
[6:56:05] you should probably consider selling um so those are my two cents I don't know if my colleagues
[6:56:11] want to add anything else but that way we can narrow the scope of what's going to come back to us
[6:56:17] and we can all be happy with the results thank you commissioner uh i'm seeing the item has been
[6:56:21] move by Commissioner Lopez and second by Commissioner Gonzalez, all in favor of moving the report.
[6:56:26] Can we get the clarification before we vote, though?
[6:56:29] We want to take it to the administration.
[6:56:31] Commissioner Gonzalez made some points and asked for clarification, were they taken down or you?
[6:56:36] Yes, through the advice.
[6:56:38] Yeah.
[6:56:38] Thank you.
[6:56:40] We have summarized that information in the report that you have, but we will also provide you
[6:56:45] detail.
[6:56:46] And we are absolutely an agreement that we should look at the death that is
[6:56:51] actually marketable, getting it into the market, we also though believe that the debt that is
[6:56:58] not marketable, we should continue what we're doing, which is being the last mile in trying
[6:57:04] to collect it. We are exceptionally good at collecting the last mile debt that no one else wants,
[6:57:11] but we absolutely agree with the sponsoring commissioner of the item and yourself, that that debt
[6:57:16] that we could have somebody do a better job than us.
[6:57:20] We should exploit that.
[6:57:21] We're working on that last week.
[6:57:23] Thank you.
[6:57:24] I would just like to add, because I've seen that collection
[6:57:27] through the legal field in the past.
[6:57:29] There are some third party companies
[6:57:31] that would probably purchase on marketable debt,
[6:57:35] just to be able to say that they're collecting
[6:57:36] that for Miami-Dade County.
[6:57:38] I'm just going to throw that out there.
[6:57:40] Thank you, Commissioner.
[6:57:41] Commissioner, did that satisfy your request?
[6:57:44] Thank you.
[6:57:44] All in favor of the item?
[6:57:45] All right, all right. All right, all right. All right. Next up, to be 12, commissioning a low
[6:57:54] page. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So this has been an item that I have been following since
[6:58:01] I was in the house. And as you all know, we appropriate funds to begin in the fiscal year,
[6:58:08] beginning July 1st. And I'm always in awe over the fact that we don't sign contracts for six
[6:58:14] months with the recipient of funds so now I'm finding this item that we still have outstanding
[6:58:23] items from 2024's legislative session as well as 2025 and I guess I would like to know
[6:58:31] I want to be helpful in making sure that money that are appropriated to the county actually
[6:58:37] come to the county so that we can do the work that we have requested the legislature to
[6:58:43] And I'm beginning to wonder how much of this is our fault, because when I talk to state agencies, they'll say that they didn't provide the right information and then other times, it's because the state agency hasn't done its job in getting the contracts to the recipient in time.
[6:59:02] And so I just want to make sure that we don't wait to bring these things to the commission.
[6:59:08] And if there's an item, for instance, there have been appropriations done in the 2026 session.
[6:59:15] We are now in July, so all of those appropriations took effect on July 1st.
[6:59:23] I would like to get a report, because I'm already seeing this report, which brings me great
[6:59:27] discomfort, because we're expecting to get those funds and somehow, even the state agency
[6:59:33] isn't doing its job or we're not doing our job.
[6:59:35] I don't want to look back, although I am going to take this to the appropriations staff in the house and tell them exactly.
[6:59:44] So I'd like lots of detail here so that I can tell the appropriations staff, this is not yet been, it was appropriated, it has not yet been contractual with the county.
[6:59:55] So sometimes they can help move the agency along if it's the agency's problem.
[7:00:00] In the future, I would like very much to know of all of our appropriations currently, because, you know, it took place on July 1st, how long it's taking, and let's not wait until the end of the year to tell me that.
[7:00:14] Tell me now, as we move along, how many contracts are coming along from the agencies and how many are not, so that I will make the calls, because I think it's outrageous, that we make a request, the legislature appropriates it, and then the executive agency doesn't enter into the contract with us,
[7:00:29] as the recipient of those funds.
[7:00:31] That was my only point.
[7:00:32] I'll move the item.
[7:00:33] Thank you, Seni.
[7:00:34] I had them being moved.
[7:00:35] Do we have a second?
[7:00:36] Second, well, Commissioner,
[7:00:37] but you deserve a favor.
[7:00:39] I did.
[7:00:40] All right.
[7:00:41] I just had a brief comment, Mr. Vice Chair.
[7:00:44] I just wanted to thank Commissioner,
[7:00:47] because I have been involved in some of those negotiations,
[7:00:50] which have been extremely difficult with executive agencies.
[7:00:54] And sometimes there is blame on our side,
[7:00:56] but there is also a lot of challenge.
[7:00:57] And I would very much welcome the opportunity
[7:00:59] work with you early. Thank you. Thank you. All against item passes. Next we have 3b2. It looks
[7:01:08] like you again, Commissioner Lopez.
[7:01:14] So I just had a quick question on 3b2. So I noticed that
[7:01:17] we entered into a contract with Microsoft licensing, the nonprofit licensing, because there was
[7:01:24] an emergency situation. I'm just curious why we would enter into one for three years, as opposed
[7:01:30] a shorter period of time to address the emergency. That's the only question I had of the
[7:01:35] administration.
[7:01:37] The administration?
[7:01:38] Nice chair. We wanted to make sure we locked in pricing, and that was where we landed with
[7:01:44] Microsoft, to ensure that we didn't have some massive escalation of pricing as we continued
[7:01:49] to explore different options. Thank you. I'll move the item.
[7:01:53] Any item being moved? Do we have a second? A second by Commissioner Gonzales, all in favor? Hold on.
[7:02:02] I just have a quick question on 3v2.
[7:02:06] I know that we have had many issues with Microsoft having to work with us on the issues
[7:02:15] that are specific to what we need for the libraries.
[7:02:18] What's the plan moving forward though?
[7:02:20] Because right now this is an emergency contract and if they're not willing to adhere to
[7:02:26] the conditions that, by the way, are not just us at state law, what then happens?
[7:02:31] You're recognized.
[7:02:32] Through the vice chair.
[7:02:34] That's an excellent question.
[7:02:35] And one, your colleague, Commissioner Gilbert, has asked us many times.
[7:02:38] The staff has been directed to start looking for Plan B.
[7:02:42] And so we have found that Microsoft has been difficult at best.
[7:02:47] Particularly around this issue, it was not unique to my immediate county.
[7:02:50] This was a policy they put in place nationally.
[7:02:54] That changed the definition of a nonprofit that impacted our libraries.
[7:02:58] and so staff has been directed to look at what we would do in the future, the three years
[7:03:04] gives us time because as you all know, we have been using Microsoft for a very, very long time.
[7:03:11] That will not be a smoother easy transition if we're unable to negotiate with them and have
[7:03:18] defined a different resource.
[7:03:22] Okay. Who was last? Okay, so it's been moved by Commissioner
[7:03:27] low beds, seconded by Commissioner Gilbert, all in favor, signify by say and aye. All opposed
[7:03:32] nay. All right, I'm on three B5. We're going to move this along. We still have a very, very long
[7:03:36] pull list, unless you all want to come in to our backup meeting, which is an August. I mean, I suggest
[7:03:42] we start kind of getting through this. I'm good for it, by the way, for the August meeting. Three B5,
[7:03:49] come as sure from district five, you're recognized on the Miami Foundation, right? Thank you. I just wanted
[7:03:54] question to the administration with regards to getting grant funding from the Miami Foundation
[7:04:00] or any other organization to fund the operations and activities of the Department of Cultural
[7:04:05] Affairs.
[7:04:05] Is this something that has happened before, is this like a pattern where we get grant money
[7:04:10] to pay for operations?
[7:04:13] Through the chair.
[7:04:15] The last year, when we were looking at ways that we could come in with a balance budget,
[7:04:23] We looked at how we could reduce possibly through some general
[7:04:28] fund reduction in arts and culture.
[7:04:30] At that time, the arts community, arts donors stepped forward and said they wanted to be helpful.
[7:04:38] And from that comes this grant.
[7:04:40] Thank you all move the item.
[7:04:41] All right.
[7:04:41] It's been moved by Commissioner Lopez, seconded by Commissioner of the Orbis, on favor
[7:04:46] signify by say n i, all opposed nay, Commissioner Bramirez, I'm going to recognize you
[7:04:53] to to retake up 70 collector. Okay. Yeah, 70, uh, we-
[7:05:00] I had made a motion. However, since Commissioner Hardeman is not here and I'd like the full body, and now we, you know, the full body to make a decision on this, and I do not believe, as the attorneys have clarified, because it impacts the CDMP, we have an ability to defer it till the full body is here, to move it along for another deferral until the full body is here.
[7:05:26] September 1st, September 1st.
[7:05:28] All right, so I'll show it.
[7:05:29] Deferred to September 1st, seconded by Commissioner Gonzales,
[7:05:32] all the favor of the deferral signify by say aye.
[7:05:34] All opposed names show 70 deferred to September 1st.
[7:05:40] 8F2, Commissioner from District 12,
[7:05:42] you're recognized to on 8F2.
[7:05:51] Super sisters?
[7:05:54] Yeah, I think this one is the,
[7:05:57] the one that have an amendment for on the,
[7:05:59] I don't know if the attorneys want to read it, or if the attorneys could please read
[7:06:02] Commissioner Ramirez's amendment.
[7:06:04] The mission of Ramirez moves to amend agenda item 8F2 to substitute the landlords name in
[7:06:10] the mayor's memorandum, the title and section one of the resolution, to reflect the current
[7:06:15] property owner as 41.06, Parasal LLC in place of three super sisters corporation.
[7:06:24] And to substitute the lease agreement attached to the item with a substantially similar lease
[7:06:29] executed by 4106, Pareto LLC, thereby reflecting the new landlord's name.
[7:06:36] It's basically the technicality of Mr. Chair. As much as I love the three supercesters
[7:06:39] since I have three daughters, the reality is that the property that we're actually
[7:06:44] leasing, the owners change. It's now 41.06, Pareto LLC. So it's just a correct
[7:06:52] technicality. In between the time period that I guess has started this would happen.
[7:06:56] a showbroom unit is moving it as amended seconded by commissioner Gilbert
[7:06:59] signal for the discussion all in favor signify by say and I
[7:07:02] I all oppose nay show that item passes amended
[7:07:07] um eight k four and eight and seven commissioner from district one
[7:07:12] two very separate items but you're the pooling you're the pooling commissioner on both
[7:07:17] yeah eight k four I think my question was why
[7:07:20] the P.A. needs folks, social security numbers.
[7:07:26] I know why we needed it and we're sharing information.
[7:07:28] I don't know why they needed it.
[7:07:32] So I didn't really, I wasn't vibing that portion of it.
[7:07:36] The attorneys, is there a reason?
[7:07:41] I believe the property of Praiser is here.
[7:07:45] There's supposed to be here to answer that question.
[7:07:48] Is somebody from the property of Praiser's office in the chamber?
[7:07:52] is it here is in the building if you give him a few minutes we can come back to it if necessary
[7:07:57] I think it has to do with determining homestead okay let's let's let's not wait
[7:08:06] I'll text 8 and 7 commission from this room we'll come back to that one 8 and 7
[7:08:12] commission from this room the underline oh yeah what we all know like we don't we don't have to
[7:08:20] Yes, about this.
[7:08:21] Now, I just want to say, I'm going to pull like,
[7:08:24] I don't know which of you always say, give me credit,
[7:08:26] but give me credit for putting this on the agenda
[7:08:29] for transportation and getting out of committee.
[7:08:32] And to Stacey Miller are very often able director
[7:08:35] and Roy, who they both did their tedious early morning
[7:08:41] calls lobbying for this item.
[7:08:44] It's before the board, so you all can pass it.
[7:08:47] I'm going to vote no on this.
[7:08:49] I understand why it needs to pass, but fundamentally understand what we are doing.
[7:08:54] We're giving money to completing asset that we're going to build.
[7:08:59] That's going to be managed by someone else who's going to use those resources.
[7:09:04] That when they took public money to build it up to people for people in this specific place.
[7:09:09] That's what's going to happen.
[7:09:10] That is what happens in the underlying.
[7:09:12] It is substantially different from the Lutham.
[7:09:15] It's substantially different in how it operates.
[7:09:17] And so I just want to put that out there because sometimes we wonder why we have areas
[7:09:22] have and have nots, the have and have nots happen in votes just like this when we allocate
[7:09:31] no extra money the money is within the contingency of this contract but I had a problem with
[7:09:36] the original contract. So I obviously have a problem now with exercise and contingency.
[7:09:42] Thank you. That's going to be my goal.
[7:09:45] Item seconded by Commissioner Bustian.
[7:09:52] Sure. All right. You recognize Commissioner Conehiggins?
[7:09:54] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[7:09:57] Two, is this, what, what department is this?
[7:10:00] Money, come out of.
[7:10:04] I see the amazing cities. Yes, to the chair, director of Department of Transportation Public Works.
[7:10:13] This comes out of the Department of Transportation and Public Works.
[7:10:17] Through the chair.
[7:10:18] You're recognized.
[7:10:19] Stasing Miller, Director and CEO of Department of Transportation and Public Works, yes.
[7:10:23] Okay, and the total contract value that you were extending this to is $8.2 million.
[7:10:28] For the CEI Construction Engineering and Inspection Services.
[7:10:32] of a, I guess, a newer section of the underlying, it is an active section of the underlying
[7:10:37] that is currently under construction. I see, and so this is to complete the, the construction
[7:10:42] that's already underway. Correct. Okay, and how much is in your budget, aside from this item
[7:10:48] to complete the underlying, whether it's under construction or not. This is 8 million to complete
[7:10:55] that section that's already under construction. How much is in your budget to complete the
[7:10:59] line whether under construction or not.
[7:11:03] We have an available budget of $2.7 million dollars.
[7:11:07] $2.7, that's all that's left in order to allocate to the underline to finish the construction.
[7:11:13] We have already come to you with our last extension for construction and this is our last extension
[7:11:20] request for the CEI, which is in concert with the approved construction extension.
[7:11:27] We anticipate no further requests.
[7:11:31] Okay, beyond this one and the two million that you just discussed.
[7:11:34] Yes, ma'am.
[7:11:35] Okay, that's all I needed to know.
[7:11:36] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[7:11:37] Okay, we need a second of the CNS with Drone Herzai.
[7:11:39] So we need a second by Commissioner Lopez.
[7:11:44] All in favour, signify by say aye.
[7:11:46] All opposed nay.
[7:11:48] So the item pass reflecting two news.
[7:11:52] All right, Commissioner from District 12.
[7:11:55] I am going to call up three WASD items together.
[7:11:59] You're the pulling commissioner on all three, all the different items.
[7:12:03] You may speak on them all together.
[7:12:04] 802, 803, and 804.
[7:12:06] I'm going to support a mod.
[7:12:07] I just want to make it comment about the change orders.
[7:12:09] I do it all the time.
[7:12:10] I don't know.
[7:12:11] It's a bad policy.
[7:12:14] And sometimes it's warranted, but that's always causes more money.
[7:12:19] If it's us, let's make the mistake, then we should know.
[7:12:22] I think one of these things has like 112 trees or something.
[7:12:25] But we really need to evaluate these contracts and you know, I'm going to vote for them all three
[7:12:33] Mr. Chairman that said I just got to comment on all three. Thank you, but it's just bad policy to have change orders constantly
[7:12:38] All right, we got a motion
[7:12:41] By have a quick question
[7:12:43] Well, I need a motion on
[7:12:45] I'll move it move by commissioner Regalado second of by bus the end
[7:12:49] You recognize for a question. I just have a quick question on
[7:12:52] on 804 because the work was completed in 2025,
[7:12:57] but the payment that wasn't issued,
[7:13:01] we're seeing the change order dated March, 2026,
[7:13:05] is there a reason why we have over a year
[7:13:09] from when the work was completed
[7:13:11] and when was the signed, the change order?
[7:13:15] Through the chair, Jay Fink, was the director.
[7:13:17] Typically, when the work gets complete,
[7:13:20] there's still close out so there's an awful lot of negotiation that goes back and forth
[7:13:24] closing that out and then once it does get finalized and it does take a matter of
[7:13:28] months to actually get it on this agenda through a committee to hear for the vote.
[7:13:33] I don't have a specific answer as to the exact time line or what the delay was but I know
[7:13:37] that it does take a time. I appreciate that but I think a year and three months is a little bit
[7:13:41] more than what we usually see here in terms of close out but yes I'm happy to support it but
[7:13:47] I think we should be mindful of the timing.
[7:13:50] I know it takes a while to get on the agenda,
[7:13:52] but I think a year and a few months is a bit much
[7:13:54] to wait for payment.
[7:13:55] Thank you.
[7:13:56] All right, so I'll go motion a second.
[7:13:58] All in favor, signify by say aye.
[7:14:00] All opposed, nay.
[7:14:01] Show 802, 803, or four passed by this vote.
[7:14:06] Commissioner from District 12, you're recognized
[7:14:07] on K Termino AP8.
[7:14:10] Yeah, I'm going to support it again,
[7:14:13] but I want to make some comments.
[7:14:14] This reminds me of the other concession agreement, the airport people are here.
[7:14:20] I still don't have the answers from the first concession agreement.
[7:14:22] And again, let me go through Mr. Red and Mr. Goldfarb. I'm sure you're watching.
[7:14:30] And the lobbyists, which I'm sure are watching, one of them was here.
[7:14:34] I think it's bad policy for this better be a clear transparent process
[7:14:41] to award these contracts at the airport because it wasn't last time and I got a problem
[7:14:46] with it and I'm going to be watching like a hawk like why don't write so I'm going to
[7:14:52] be on you guys because I want to know that the process is fair to the businesses of Miami
[7:14:57] Dave County and across the country.
[7:15:00] We have, in fact, it's a national vendor and it's not particularly for anybody in particular.
[7:15:08] So that's my comment. I'm going to support it because the sponsor laid it out well, but I do
[7:15:15] want to make sure that this gets done the right way with clear transparency for all of us, with
[7:15:21] no surprises. All right, so shall it moved by Commissioner Cohen Higgins, seconded by Commissioner
[7:15:27] Lopez and all of it, you're nothing to be recognized.
[7:15:32] What?
[7:15:34] I'll write under this game in it.
[7:15:36] All right, go ahead.
[7:15:38] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[7:15:38] And thank you, Commissioner Bermuda, for the concerns that you express I share those concerns
[7:15:43] and I wanted to illuminate the fact that this award and the airport can correct me if
[7:15:48] I'm wrong, is an entirely new company that has never been in our airport before, right?
[7:15:54] So talk about it.
[7:15:55] like allowing you opportunity not having the same
[7:15:59] cabal continue to come back to us to occupy spaces that was
[7:16:02] right so like I am with you and this is the first time that we have offered
[7:16:06] concessionaire opportunities in a very long time in this county
[7:16:09] to an entirely new company so I echo your sentence and I think you think you
[7:16:13] missed your chair. It's been moving commission according to second of my
[7:16:15] Lopez all in favor signify by saying aye all opposed nay show that item passing
[7:16:22] Vice Chair on 8p9 you're recognized.
[7:16:25] Thank you Mr. Chairman. I will throw my hope. My, my, my pool.
[7:16:29] All right. Would you move it?
[7:16:31] Sure. Vice Chair moves the item.
[7:16:32] Seconded by Commissioner Gilbert on favor signify by say I.
[7:16:36] I'll oppose nay. Show it. Passing.
[7:16:42] I've got.
[7:16:43] Ninety five was released.
[7:16:45] Or no. Ninety five was released.
[7:16:48] And we passed that already.
[7:16:48] Okay, I have 111, Commissioner from District 5, you're recognized on the AMI reassessment.
[7:16:57] Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to congratulate Commissioner Bustian.
[7:17:03] She is the chair of the Housing Committee and has done an amazing job drilling down on area median income.
[7:17:09] I'm really grateful to see this item come before us.
[7:17:12] And I will say that even within my commission district, and I think it's important that we know that
[7:17:18] the report calls for them to do AMI by Commission District. I would almost say you got a drill
[7:17:24] down even further. So, Brickle and Little Havana are continuous communities. And the AMI and
[7:17:30] Brickle is not the same as the AMI and Little Havana. And as you move around my district and I'm sure
[7:17:37] the same goes to your districts. My district is incredibly diverse and the AMI within my district
[7:17:43] is really something that I've been struggling with and so hopefully as we drill down for this item by commission district that maybe we'll get maybe census tracks or zip codes because honestly it has been incredibly hard to say that in district five the AMI is the same it is not so I look forward to working with commissioner busion as she continues her work leading the discussion on AMI
[7:18:13] Thank you, Commissioner Bustian, I move the item.
[7:18:17] May I be at it as a sponsor, please?
[7:18:20] Oh, yes.
[7:18:21] Thank you.
[7:18:21] Well, I mean, I'm no one to say yes, but yes.
[7:18:24] Sure, I'm a sponsor as a sponsor.
[7:18:28] All right.
[7:18:28] So we have a motion.
[7:18:30] We have a second, a motion by Commissioner Lopez, second by.
[7:18:34] Second.
[7:18:34] Be over.
[7:18:36] All in favor, signify by say and aye.
[7:18:38] All opposed, nay.
[7:18:40] She's the chair.
[7:18:42] There's someone here from the PA's office.
[7:18:44] Okay, thank you for that.
[7:18:45] May the person from the PA's office approach on 8K4.
[7:18:54] May the representative from the PA's office approach.
[7:19:02] Yeah, that would be
[7:19:06] you.
[7:19:07] Please say your name.
[7:19:09] And title.
[7:19:11] And we have a question for you on 8K4.
[7:19:14] Commissioner Gilbert, you're recognized for Q&A.
[7:19:17] Yeah, I'm just, I'm trying to figure out over here.
[7:19:21] Now, to your right, you're right. Right here.
[7:19:24] Oh, okay. Sorry.
[7:19:26] Oh, this is going to be interesting.
[7:19:30] Okay. You all are, we're going to be sharing, I guess,
[7:19:34] Social Security numbers with you.
[7:19:35] All right.
[7:19:36] And I'm told that you need that to do what?
[7:19:40] Okay, so let me start off by saying that first of all,
[7:19:43] we're afternoon and thanks for waiting for us.
[7:19:46] It was a, you know, we're on our way down, but typically we do have social security numbers the reason why we're requesting this is
[7:19:55] Because we need to match what we have in existence in our records with what the
[7:20:00] PACD can give us and basically determine whether they are in compliance or not in compliance.
[7:20:08] So this already we had in the past disagreement with PACD since, if I recall correctly 2013,
[7:20:16] but since our office became constitutional, so now we need an MOU or a memorandum agreement,
[7:20:22] and basically that's why we're here. It was already approved.
[7:20:26] the resolution is there, but we're basically expanding a little bit more to include a couple of extra items.
[7:20:36] I'm not sure that actually answered the question why you need social security numbers.
[7:20:42] Basically, because you always had them.
[7:20:44] No, we have on our records the social security number of every individual requesting and receiving exemption benefits.
[7:20:52] So, the section A provides the voucher, the program, and all of that, and provides landlords and tenants.
[7:21:01] It's good.
[7:21:02] One second.
[7:21:02] Guys, can we lower the chatter in the back from staff?
[7:21:06] We can, even though up here on the days, can't hear the gentleman answer.
[7:21:10] Continue, please.
[7:21:11] I'm sorry.
[7:21:13] And then we get this information from PACD, and we can verify the landlords are claiming improperly,
[7:21:20] properly homesick exemption, pretending that they are using their properties as homesick
[7:21:25] properties when in fact, they are renting it out through the program.
[7:21:29] So the only way to identify this individual's and situations is through the Social Security
[7:21:35] number, because we already have the Social Security number and besides is required by law by
[7:21:39] statute.
[7:21:42] So it's not the only way I can think of one way, almost immediately, if someone list a
[7:21:47] that with an address and that address is also listed on a voucher, you know that there's
[7:21:55] a inconsistency and you can do it without a social security number.
[7:21:58] You don't need a social security number do that, that's why I'm asking what you need it for.
[7:22:02] Right, by the way, we have to collect the social security number, it's in the Statue 11,
[7:22:06] I see it's only 11, that the Department of Revenue implemented this in 2001, so we collect
[7:22:11] the social security numbers.
[7:22:13] It is one of the ways exactly as you're seeing.
[7:22:16] However, we could risk finding someone
[7:22:20] improperly because there's mistakes, the names, sometimes
[7:22:23] you know, it could be a mistake with the names or something like that.
[7:22:28] So, and the homes that is individual, you know,
[7:22:31] not necessarily in a property could be like multiple individuals
[7:22:35] and the homes that are essentially belong to one of them,
[7:22:37] not to the whole household.
[7:22:39] And therefore, we need to know who's the one, you know, violating if, that's the case, the law and the best identifier is a social security number, which by the way, as I mentioned before, we already had this with PhDD and the only reason why we're here is because we can't do this.
[7:22:58] I appreciate your constitutional ops now. I appreciate that you've always gotten this. And now it's before us and I'm reviewing it.
[7:23:04] saying I don't know that you actually need it to do what you're saying that you need to do.
[7:23:09] So if you're giving them them and it's associated with people who are having vouchers or housing
[7:23:15] and you want to check it for some versus someone who's claiming homestead,
[7:23:20] almost direct line from point A to point B is the actual address.
[7:23:26] And so I get what you're saying. Are you telling us the statute requires us to give you the
[7:23:30] Social security number. No, the session requires call to collect the social security. It requires it or it allows it. So that requires it
[7:23:38] So if it requires that then then that's the only answer it requires it, but if it doesn't require that and I'm going to call
[7:23:43] Look at the attorneys and they're going to tell me whether it requires us to give you the social security number. No, that's not
[7:23:48] The statute requires us to give you the social security number you all to collect it. What I said is that the statute requires that all the property
[7:23:54] pressure office, collect the Social Security numbers before giving an exemption to anybody else.
[7:24:01] So what I'm saying is that that's the best identifier for us to determine who's in violation
[7:24:07] because a property by the address could be in violation but out of many household members
[7:24:13] we don't know who's the Social Security number associated with that exemption.
[7:24:16] I would love to defer this to actually look at this further.
[7:24:21] It's been moved to the first, I can go like a Mr. Conagans all in favor of the
[7:24:25] deferral signify by saying aye, all opposed nation of the item 8k4, or to the next
[7:24:33] BCC meeting. All right, I've got 11,
[7:24:41] 813, and it's supplement. I'm going to start with Senator
[7:24:45] Garcia as not just a pooling commissioner, but the sponsor of the item.
[7:24:51] Senator Garcia.
[7:24:54] Mr Chairman, if we see this item before the supplement that you have before you was.
[7:25:00] To address some of the concerns that were brought up at the last kind of commission, it has to do with the truck parking, I know commission of communities has serious reservations for it, because it is district where we're making the amendments to ensure that we don't violate the law, but give flexibility to the administration to ensure that we use the connection of different parcels to need the letter of the law.
[7:25:30] as it relates to the 10 acres and when we look back in history we look at the study that was
[7:25:35] conducted some years ago where they said where the administration said that the really the only
[7:25:41] number of acres that needed to satisfy parking would have been two acres and obviously we went
[7:25:47] up to 10 acres for minimum parking and the reality is members that we've had it back and forth.
[7:25:53] I see this really as about all between David and Goliath and this is the issue that we
[7:25:59] have before you, this is why you see this up, but something to the amendment that has before
[7:26:05] you to to to to to vote it up or down, and I'm sure commissioner for me just is going
[7:26:10] to have some words to this.
[7:26:14] Okay. I got a lot to say, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Senator. I have
[7:26:19] a lot to say. Let's begin by this. Let's be cordial. Just be cordial. There's little
[7:26:25] Moving in by this, these are the records from the court cases that this county has had
[7:26:30] reference to the particular group that has led to this item.
[7:26:35] So the narrative that you may have heard is that this is about helping small truck parking
[7:26:39] operations come into compliance as they are operating legally because they do not meet
[7:26:42] the Taneca requirement.
[7:26:44] By the way, I want to stress that I was not here when the Taneca requirement was voted upon
[7:26:48] but anyways, I know that we want to paint it as David versus Goliath, small acre job
[7:26:54] versus large, you know, acreage operators.
[7:26:58] If this was the only issue,
[7:27:00] I would not be so vehemally opposed, respectfully.
[7:27:04] But it goes far beyond that.
[7:27:06] First, this is an issue there primarily impacts my district,
[7:27:10] as the item clearly states that it seeks
[7:27:12] to allow commercial vehicle storage,
[7:27:13] west of the term Pike and North of Okhi Chilby Road
[7:27:15] by aggregating parts with their at least four acres and size.
[7:27:20] Second, we would be directing staff
[7:27:22] to file a CDMP application on behalf of a group of private individuals who are engaging not only
[7:27:28] any legal truck parking. Operations, but who have also have numerous
[7:27:32] egregious environmental violations spanning decades, some as early as 2007. Where are you
[7:27:38] lower Reynolds? Now, the majority of these operations are under multiple consent decrees for
[7:27:43] invite. She's an nice chair. The majority of these operations are under multiple consent decrees for
[7:27:47] environmental issues such as unpromitted underground bay for performing mechanical work on
[7:27:52] commercial trucks, numerous unpromitted structures that have that have electrical service.
[7:27:57] In proper disposal of a hazardous materials and liquid waste, such as motor oil, antifreeze
[7:28:02] and holding tanks filled with unidentified liquid attached to mobile homes, paving without
[7:28:08] permits, oh, and best of all.
[7:28:11] This has been done in truly environmentally, since it had wet land areas.
[7:28:16] Not unlike some other areas where we've approved truck parking right by applicants that have
[7:28:21] period in front of us. So why is there no outrage? In essence, we are directing staff to
[7:28:27] follow CDMP application that will be a text amendment outside the UDB legalizing these
[7:28:32] illegal operators who have been blatantly engaged in violating our land-use zoning and environmental
[7:28:36] regulations. So this is not about equity. If it was about fairness, I'd be in favor of this
[7:28:43] but it's not just not about fairness or equity. It not only enables bad actors, it legitimizes
[7:28:49] them. We are sending a clear message to them. Keep doing what you're doing. We don't care.
[7:28:54] We change the rules for you. That appears to be what the attorney said before I get into
[7:28:58] what the judge said. Do you think this is going to encourage somebody who hasn't taken care of
[7:29:05] these issues since the year 2019 at a minimum to do anything? No. So we're going to instruct staff
[7:29:13] to pause enforcement even the legal proceedings which I'm going to get to in a second.
[7:29:17] So we had to tell you the people this county, those that don't follow our rules, hey, don't follow the rules.
[7:29:26] And those that invest and follow the rules, hey, it doesn't pay to follow the rules.
[7:29:30] After all, all you got to do is go to the board of county commissioners and we'll figure out a way to satisfy it.
[7:29:36] I would expect the mayor to veto this, but I want to touch upon something that's really, really important because I've given you a copy of the honorable judge,
[7:29:45] Jason Demetris's most recent hearing.
[7:29:51] I'm going to start by the fact on his ruling.
[7:29:56] Instead, she's interested in seeking political favors or changes in the law to allow
[7:30:00] I want to continue destroying the environment and violating clear requirements. And we had our attorneys
[7:30:06] here at the hearing. So, because our attorney and his, his or her utmost knowledge said, well, you
[7:30:13] know, the board of kind of commissioners there, they're going to take care of it. And this is a quote from the
[7:30:19] Honorable George Jason, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Arnold judge Jason Demutters. This is a case of a
[7:30:29] towards compliance. But instead continuing to simply further violate any creases violations with
[7:30:35] virtually no apparent effort to remedy the situation. It's clear to the court that the defendant
[7:30:41] has no interest, had no interest in remedy in the situation except to keep violating and keep
[7:30:46] accepting right for the drugs and continually violating the county's requirements and her own agreement.
[7:30:51] from 2019, by the way, which is the time that,
[7:30:57] 2019, 2021, where things were agreed to,
[7:30:59] and turning to agreements with a still-than-compliant,
[7:31:02] again, quoting the judge,
[7:31:04] that the defendant cannot take money for an illegal activity
[7:31:06] and then simply continue collecting that money
[7:31:08] while continuing violations and claim that the defendant
[7:31:10] is in a difficult situation to come under compliance.
[7:31:12] I'm not going to get into the numbers that were found
[7:31:16] because there was no difficult situation for payment.
[7:31:22] Except to say that she seeks to continue collecting money
[7:31:24] from them, so she has no interest in abiding by her own agreements in the county's rules.
[7:31:29] What a message we're sending.
[7:31:31] Quite offensively, she denied the county inspectors' access in August of 2025 requiring
[7:31:39] that they take pictures through a fence.
[7:31:42] This is after numerous violations.
[7:31:44] That does not suggest someone who is attempting to come their compliance.
[7:31:48] That suggests somebody who is doing their part to avoid compliance.
[7:31:51] She failed to send a check for $5,000 by June 2025.
[7:31:56] She failed to send a check for $10,000 to turn by June of 2025.
[7:32:00] She failed to send a $10,000 check to RER.
[7:32:05] She allowed asphalt to be used as unclean fill
[7:32:08] against wet land requirements,
[7:32:10] commissioning a regular wet land requirements.
[7:32:12] All of these violations in totality are clearly,
[7:32:16] all of these violations in totality are clearly
[7:32:18] and obviously made willfully, she has the money, she has the resources, she has shown
[7:32:22] no effort, she has shown her interest in obstructing the counties, that's us, ability
[7:32:27] to investigate and proceed.
[7:32:30] She has done everything that she can do to the ladies proceedings as long as possible.
[7:32:34] Of course, the court assumes that was to get this to the county commission meeting where
[7:32:39] she can make an attempt to do it right around and that has now failed.
[7:32:43] So, this is not about David versus Goliath with all due respect to my colleague, Senator Garcia.
[7:32:51] This is about people who have violated for over seven years.
[7:32:57] Over seven years, in sensitive, I wish Laura Reynolds was here because apparently she never talks to me about this.
[7:33:03] She only comes to talk about other projects.
[7:33:06] In sensitive areas, and has basically laughed at, as I said, no, I'm not going to do what you say.
[7:33:10] I'm going to let your inspectors in.
[7:33:13] We spent hours and hours, our attorneys have had to go to try to make them comply.
[7:33:18] But this is about, no, I'm sorry, this is about changing the rules.
[7:33:23] This is not about equity, it's not about justice if it was, then it'd be a different story.
[7:33:31] And the quality of life of the people in this county was one of the, I wasn't here again,
[7:33:36] when some of these changes were made, I believe, is 10 acres.
[7:33:39] And the bottom line is whether it was 10 acres, four, or 15, whatever number it is, there is no way in this world that some of you would stay silent and say, okay, this is a great run around on our rules and our laws because this is what it is.
[7:33:58] This is what it is. So everybody's just going to line up. They're going to come around and say, you know, and at this point if if if we are going to
[7:34:08] Amen this I'm even going to get into the fact I reiterate that it is in my district because I'm the one impact
[7:34:13] These just thing for me would be oh, you know
[7:34:16] You know, it's it's going along to get along, but like I said the other day when
[7:34:22] Commissioner Gilbert we were saying
[7:34:25] The early goodbye to him
[7:34:28] when we honor them the other day. I don't go along to get along for church. No, I know the portrait
[7:34:33] did, but we don't but I don't go along to get along because this is not about fairness and justice.
[7:34:39] And think of the message that you guys will be sending. Think of the message. No, he looked good. I
[7:34:43] had here three portraits, but we got it right. Okay, but that he looks good on that one. But the bottom
[7:34:47] line is if you want to see the first two rounds or up on my mural dot com. Okay.
[7:34:54] Listen, we're going to end
[7:34:55] whatever that is because I'm gonna tell you right now if we do this
[7:35:00] We are sending the wrong message to the people of this county. Break the rules, break the laws, and you can get away with it.
[7:35:09] So again, I hope, and I guess they're all gone, because after all, I guess they're all gone, because wetlands is apparently, I don't know, maybe I'll have to find out what the Everglades Foundation defines its wetlands.
[7:35:25] But you've got somebody violating our wetlands on the urban development boundary.
[7:35:31] Not only that, but violating our rules, taking our attorneys times, the nine are code compliance,
[7:35:38] our officers from even going in and taking the pictures.
[7:35:41] And we are going to say, okay, yes.
[7:35:44] I find that, you know, there was a movie, maybe before some of your time, but it's a great movie,
[7:35:48] but I'm going to call the apocalypse now.
[7:35:51] And one of the scenes, the guy says, oh, the horror.
[7:35:54] When I saw this, I said, oh, the harbor.
[7:35:58] In my district, with all due respect, somebody comes in and says, well, this is going
[7:36:03] to be, you know, it's about equity, it's about David versus Goliath.
[7:36:06] No, it's not.
[7:36:07] It's not about David versus Goliath.
[7:36:08] It's about the right thing and the wrong thing.
[7:36:10] And what's right, and what's wrong is wrong.
[7:36:12] Period.
[7:36:13] Now, if you guys want to change it, that's fine.
[7:36:15] But I'm voting note, note, and double note, and you will forever, forever, forever,
[7:36:23] make sure that the attorneys that represent us will never be able to enforce some of these things
[7:36:28] because the excuse is always going to be the same. I'm just going to figure out a way around it
[7:36:34] through changes in the county commission. And that to me is not the reason I was elected.
[7:36:41] Again, if it was fairness and equity, I'd be more happy to say yes, but it's not.
[7:36:49] And I'm sorry, it just doesn't make any sense.
[7:36:52] And on this one, I'm very abusive about it.
[7:36:54] And up until that triple-no,
[7:36:56] Commissioner Steinberg had concerns
[7:36:57] whether you were a yes or a no on this.
[7:36:59] But for the triple-no, Commissioner Steinberg
[7:37:02] wasn't aware.
[7:37:07] What did you say?
[7:37:08] Just did whatever I said.
[7:37:10] You always did also just did.
[7:37:12] Hey, it's getting late.
[7:37:13] It's going to be what?
[7:37:13] For a clock.
[7:37:16] Look, I understand.
[7:37:17] I'm going to recognize my colleagues
[7:37:18] to speak, of course. I'm sure Senator Garcia may want to speak at the end after listening
[7:37:24] to everybody again. You know, first of all, I understand when you're seeing Commissioner
[7:37:29] Vermeerism and I agree with a lot of it. I think, and I'm not here to defend Senator
[7:37:34] Garcia. I think we're all big boys and we could, you know, kind of speak for ourselves.
[7:37:39] No, no, I don't know. I'm just, I think the idea of folks circumventing certain
[7:37:44] I mean, that's, that's, that's, we're never going to stop that, right?
[7:37:46] They hire lobbyists.
[7:37:47] They come to us.
[7:37:48] I mean, that's what this body's here for, is it's to kind of
[7:37:50] legislate on that, you know, the district thing.
[7:37:53] I can, I can, I can see that.
[7:37:54] I can also see the argument of, this is like a county-wide issue,
[7:37:56] not just, but I understand that at least some sort of
[7:38:01] co-sponsorship or, or, or dialogue should have taken place.
[7:38:04] I get it, I get it.
[7:38:05] But I know that you, like you pointed out,
[7:38:07] Commissioner Regalado's anxious to talk about wetlands and all
[7:38:10] that good stuff.
[7:38:11] So, let's go to Commissioner Regalado.
[7:38:13] Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm going to echo some of my colleagues' points. I will say this.
[7:38:20] While I appreciate persistence and you've brought this item many, many times. Last time it came before us,
[7:38:26] we brought up the point that this particular, that this was, this was being moved by a particular actor.
[7:38:31] And that this actor had a series of violations. Since then, we have a lot more information.
[7:38:36] and this is a particularly egregious case. The County Commission spent a lot of time with
[7:38:42] staff establishing a rule. That rule establishes a particular acreage and also other rules that
[7:38:50] have to be followed. People have paid a lot of money and gone through a very complex process in order
[7:38:55] to have truck parking. And now we have this one particular bad actor and my favorite quote from
[7:39:02] The judge is that in this case, the defendant is attempting to change the law instead of her conduct.
[7:39:10] And I really think that that's what this is about.
[7:39:12] This is a bad actor who has time and time and time again violated our wetland rules.
[7:39:20] And when we talk about wetlands, I'll just say this.
[7:39:22] It's important because it impacts the October water line.
[7:39:25] it's important because this type of complete and total blatant disregard for what should be
[7:39:33] happening in that area, it hurts our water. So, you know, it's not, I understand that,
[7:39:41] you know, they may not agree with the decision that was made, but a lot of people are complying
[7:39:46] and why can't this person complying? And what we're doing here is not only giving a bad actor,
[7:39:52] a win fall. We're changing this for no reason because we have yet to determine other than this particular person is short and acre.
[7:40:00] What the reason is for changing the rules? In fact, the rules were established because of the turning radius and the importance of having a particular size in order for those trucks to be able to get in and out.
[7:40:11] It wasn't an arbitrary decision. It was a decision that was thought out and made with the industry.
[7:40:19] And of course, when that decision was made, there were people left out and that always happens.
[7:40:24] So while I understand the chair's point that people are always coming to change the rules,
[7:40:28] there's always going to be someone that is left out of a regulation.
[7:40:32] And in this case, it's not just that someone was left out of a regulation,
[7:40:35] and they want us to artificially enhance their property value.
[7:40:39] This is a bad actor.
[7:40:41] And just on that point, I hope that this is the last time we get this item.
[7:40:46] Because it's absurd.
[7:40:48] There's other people that are doing a better job.
[7:40:50] Derm works very hard and so does RER, and I think the fact that we keep bringing this up and trying to allow this person to monetize their abuse of the system.
[7:41:01] It's always going to be a no for me on this one.
[7:41:11] All right.
[7:41:11] Senator Garcia.
[7:41:12] If I may.
[7:41:13] You may.
[7:41:14] And I appreciate.
[7:41:15] Appreciate the comments and concerns and commission committees.
[7:41:19] You're not far off because you know what?
[7:41:21] You're district absolutely.
[7:41:23] There is a lot of illegal parking, and there is a lot of a grieges, I mean I say grieges.
[7:41:30] You have ace trucking that's out there, you have parking that's out there, you have the
[7:41:35] rock miners that are out there.
[7:41:37] So we talk about wetlands, can't talk about picking shoes where wetlands are good and wetlands
[7:41:41] are not.
[7:41:43] This parcel is between two properties, two properties that are designated the same, but they
[7:41:52] They have not been able to meet the 10 acreage lot.
[7:41:57] The whole thing, the whole genesis of this is not just about one individual.
[7:42:00] I like how we try to turn this about one individual, you know, because they are out there.
[7:42:04] They're the ones that brought this to me, absolutely.
[7:42:07] But it's not just because of their failure to comply.
[7:42:10] The reality is that we have a report before us that says that we need more truck parking.
[7:42:15] We brought a resolution.
[7:42:17] I brought an item before us, and we bifurcated and Commissioner Rodriguez.
[7:42:21] because we made a motion to separate both items
[7:42:24] because we do need more truck parking.
[7:42:26] And then now what I've been able to do
[7:42:28] based on the suggestions that we, yes, sir.
[7:42:32] I'm sorry, Chairman Rajeex, I apologize for that.
[7:42:34] Mr. Chairman.
[7:42:35] At Senator, by the way, I'm kidding.
[7:42:37] It's not Senator, it has been, it is where it is.
[7:42:40] And now it's good, we're going to go, you win, you win, you win.
[7:42:43] But the reality is that we need more truck parking
[7:42:45] in this community, we do need it.
[7:42:47] And the truck parking that we're trying to go out
[7:42:49] to make sure that we help the people that live in my district, the people that live in your
[7:42:53] district and people live in our district, to make sure that they can afford a truck parking.
[7:42:58] We have truck parkings out there that are huge.
[7:43:00] They are going to cost more money to truck to park their trucks.
[7:43:05] Why now?
[7:43:05] And I do agree with your commission of remuters that they should have come into compliance.
[7:43:09] This is why I did look into and they have removed the asphalt.
[7:43:13] They have removed the trucks.
[7:43:15] They are doing a water retention.
[7:43:16] And that's just one parcel.
[7:43:20] But the reality is that we need more.
[7:43:22] And when we look at the study,
[7:43:24] when we look at some of the comments that were made,
[7:43:26] we don't need them anymore.
[7:43:28] You know why we don't need any more truck parking
[7:43:30] because it's the big guys that are out there.
[7:43:32] All these big facilities that are investing
[7:43:34] all this money in that they don't want to do it over here.
[7:43:37] What all of us have been,
[7:43:38] every single one of us has been lobbied.
[7:43:40] I'm sure every one of us has been lobbied.
[7:43:42] by one side because they have the money, they have the lobbyist, that's who they have.
[7:43:51] But the reality is that we look at a study, we look at it and by the way, the people
[7:43:55] that are lobbying you are my friends too, but it's trying to figure out how do we make
[7:44:00] this happen?
[7:44:00] How do we make it work?
[7:44:02] And the reality is that this study right here, as says the results in truck parking
[7:44:07] facilities can accommodate a minimum of 20 traders to acres per site, although there has
[7:44:12] They know, let me see where it is here,
[7:44:18] that with all you need with a minimum acreage is the two acres.
[7:44:22] So it could facilitate it, folks.
[7:44:25] I get it, I get the arguments that you're making, but the reality is that this is a David
[7:44:31] against Goliath.
[7:44:32] It really is, because when we look at the arguments that have been made, oh, we don't need
[7:44:38] to do this.
[7:44:38] Oh, this is, we're giving someone a special protection, we do it all the time and we bring
[7:44:42] variance to the board. Every time we bring a variance to the board, we're getting someone
[7:44:48] a favorite, doing a favorite for someone. That's exactly what it is. So look, I know we
[7:44:54] have been lobbied on this, I get it, I get the issue, but it really is a conscious decision
[7:44:59] that we have to...
[7:45:00] Make on this. And it's whether or not do we go ahead and try to help with someone that
[7:45:05] remains just absolutely right. But they have met, they have gone back and they have brought
[7:45:10] compliance to their property. And just remember, the people that we have out there are, we
[7:45:15] have one to the left, we have a truck parking to the left, and I think maybe we have rock minors
[7:45:20] to the right. It's simple as that. So to use the environmental issues, or we see all these things
[7:45:24] that are happening out there, I think, is a red herring, Mr. Chairman, I do ask for your consideration
[7:45:29] on this, and I do appreciate your indulgence on bringing this item four before, before this
[7:45:36] board, and at the end of the day we do need, I just want to reiterate the part about the
[7:45:40] truck parking, folks we need it more, we need more truck parking, simple as that, and if we
[7:45:45] can help this group come into compliance and we can help it with this legislation, there
[7:45:49] would increase, and it's not changing the law about the ten acres, all we're doing is
[7:45:54] asking, because we're bringing this one person into it, but the reality is that what we're
[7:45:58] doing with this is saying, all right, so it's ten acres. Let's give the administration some flexibility
[7:46:05] as how we meet those ten acres. And at least one parcel has to be at least four acres.
[7:46:11] That's what it is. So Mr. Chairman, I call the question and ask for the vote.
[7:46:15] Is this, I guess, yeah, you could call the question, sure. I had a question, but it's fine.
[7:46:21] Audent favor, signify by saying aye?
[7:46:23] Aye. I'll appoint you.
[7:46:24] Okay.
[7:46:25] Yeah.
[7:46:26] I get a roll combo.
[7:46:28] Yep.
[7:46:30] Call the, you have un, I had a question too, and I refrains for masking.
[7:46:37] Do you really want to ask?
[7:46:38] Because then I want to ask.
[7:46:40] All right, roll call please.
[7:46:43] I'm sorry.
[7:46:45] Can you just do the roll call?
[7:46:47] Commissioner Gilbert.
[7:46:50] I've got no.
[7:46:52] Commissioner Gonzalez.
[7:46:52] No.
[7:46:56] Commissioner Lopez.
[7:46:58] Commissioner Miliano Orbus.
[7:47:00] Commissioner Regalado.
[7:47:01] No.
[7:47:02] Commissioner Steinberg.
[7:47:05] Commissioner Bastien.
[7:47:08] Commissioner Bermuda.
[7:47:10] Commissioner Cornhiggins.
[7:47:11] No.
[7:47:12] Senator Garcia.
[7:47:15] No, I would have to make a motion to reconsider.
[7:47:17] No, okay.
[7:47:19] I could do that.
[7:47:22] I could do that.
[7:47:23] I could do that.
[7:47:24] He was like no, no, no. No, give me on the second three considered. No, there you go
[7:47:32] That's what you should do. Yes. No, I'm gonna vote. Yes, Mr. Chairman
[7:47:37] Yeah, I don't want him to be alone. I could change my vote. Yes, if you want to be alone
[7:47:41] You think I'm lonely over there. I'm gonna support him just to not leave him alone. Yeah, I'm gonna support him
[7:47:45] Yeah, don't don't give me the mean mugged face commissioner for muters, but I'm gonna support my colleague
[7:47:51] Senator Garcia, so he won't be the only case
[7:47:54] Guys, Chairman McGee.
[7:47:59] Guys, you know, I feel about this, either
[7:48:02] if you vote your conscious vote yes or no,
[7:48:04] I don't take it personal.
[7:48:06] I think it's just, it's just a shame that was happening here,
[7:48:08] but it is what it is.
[7:48:14] Commissioner Gilbert, do I record you as a yes or no?
[7:48:17] You can, you can record me as,
[7:48:19] you can quote me as a yes and I'm going to tell you why.
[7:48:22] I don't necessarily agree with you,
[7:48:24] but Renee, that, your argument that a variance
[7:48:27] is basically doing a favor for someone
[7:48:29] that, that deviates from the rule, I never thought about it like that, but that's just true
[7:48:37] y'all, every time we grant a variance, we're allowing somebody an exception to the rule, a rule
[7:48:48] that we've established as the best policy for the county. And so I don't necessarily agree with
[7:48:54] this project being there. I really don't agree with you doing it in his district. I don't,
[7:48:59] I don't want to be with that so but I think that that was probably the best argument you've ever made in support of something
[7:49:06] I just I just wanted I was amazing it was amazing. It was amazing. It was amazing. It was amazing.
[7:49:14] It was really good and it was profound and it was true
[7:49:18] So no I was like when I was going to ask a question I was actually going to talk about the comments that you were making
[7:49:24] like they can't go through various because in a variance, you're actually following the law and you're asking us after you follow the law and you pay and you come to a hearing, that's what you do.
[7:49:37] All right, that's why after the fact permitting, we do after the fact permitting and so like my point is my point is that it's not something.
[7:49:47] I first thought I think this is a bad actor, and so we shouldn't reward this level of bad acting.
[7:49:53] There's a presidential effect through that, it's horrible.
[7:49:56] But this isn't something that's beyond the scope of something that...
[7:50:00] We've done previously on this board. So I don't want it saying like, oh, we've never done anything like this before. Oh, yes, we have.
[7:50:08] Yeah, we have. So I just, but I'm, I'm comfortable with the, yeah, I'm comfortable with the result. So I, the very good argument though. Can you hear me where the yes you have again? Yes, we have.
[7:50:21] Oh, done. Oh, we've never done anything like this before. Oh, yes, we have.
[7:50:27] I mean, I'm going to look that up because I think we have to go back to 2019 to see how many people broken the rule and still, not whatever.
[7:50:37] All right, clerk, please continue with the roll call and yes, please record all the regret as a yes.
[7:50:43] Motion fails for to eight.
[7:50:45] Wait, never called my name, but.
[7:50:47] Yeah, well, you mentioned that you were, you got it.
[7:50:50] You're on it. You're on it.
[7:50:55] that I don't know, his office is on it.
[7:50:57] All right, so motion fails, but you got more Yays
[7:51:01] than you bargained for, you got more Yays than we thought.
[7:51:05] All right, congratulations, or not?
[7:51:06] I mean, whatever, I don't think so.
[7:51:10] All righty, commissioner from District 8.
[7:51:17] I'm sure from District 8 on 14A4,
[7:51:22] in Phil housing.
[7:51:24] Oh, what is this one?
[7:51:25] This is, oh, I think this is an,
[7:51:27] an extension, no? Yes. So to the attorneys, I'm just, didn't we just pass an item on limiting
[7:51:35] the extensions? Or was that not, this just seems to be in direct contradiction to the ordinance
[7:51:44] that we just passed regarding extensions on our infill housing program. And I believe that the
[7:51:53] original allocation on this was in 2019 or 20 it's been 60 year it could be wrong
[7:51:59] and that's why I'm asking the attorneys so while she looks it up I'll just say
[7:52:05] commissioner yes I believe it is as pertain to the ordinance that we pass this was
[7:52:11] already in process submitted in through the system and there's like a whole system that
[7:52:15] we use this was I know in the process so that's why that's why it's that's why
[7:52:23] Yes commissioner this was originally submitted for March committee the ordinance that passed allows two extensions one year each this particular item would be the second extension, but the first extension was for two years and this extension is for two years and when was the first extension awarded on this particular
[7:52:42] for this particular group of parcels.
[7:52:45] The first extension for this parcel was June 21st, 23, and it expired in March 27th of
[7:52:52] this year, and they submitted the request prior to that, the termination of that extension.
[7:53:01] They submitted the request for the second extension prior to the first extension.
[7:53:06] Yes. They submitted that request. It wasn't due to expire until March of
[7:53:12] 2026 and they submitted the request in October of 2025.
[7:53:15] Okay. Thank you. Nothing further, Mr. Chair.
[7:53:17] All right. I have a motion by Commissioner the Vice Chair. Second by Commissioner Bastien
[7:53:22] on favor signify by say and aye. All opposed nay. Show the item passed.
[7:53:28] Commissioner from District 7. I have you on 1482 and then a separate item. I'll call up the next one
[7:53:34] you as well but 1482
[7:53:40] bridge grant application.
[7:53:49] All right, so would you move it at this time
[7:53:50] done? Yeah, I didn't pull that, I'm happy to move it. I should move that commissioner
[7:53:53] Regalado seconded by Commissioner Orbis on favor signify by say I I'll oppose
[7:54:00] name, show it past, are you a pulling commissioner on London Trail 1483? Yeah, I just wanted to say
[7:54:06] something. I want to thank the commissioner for bringing the item. I know the friends of the
[7:54:15] And the only thing that I would say is that the love of them is also in my district.
[7:54:19] So I appreciate that we're moving it forward.
[7:54:22] I hope that we can figure out a way to do it together.
[7:54:27] I am a little concerned about parks doing it and the timing, but hopefully this will get
[7:54:33] are done.
[7:54:34] We've been waiting for the love of them for a long time.
[7:54:36] One of the things that I've mentioned to the groups that I met with is the underlying team
[7:54:41] is going to be done in October.
[7:54:42] and it would make a lot of sense to take that team to help with the love them, given their expertise.
[7:54:48] But if we decide to keep it in parks, so be it.
[7:54:52] But there is a group of people that have been dealing with a lot of these issues inside public works,
[7:54:57] and I hope that we take some of the lessons.
[7:55:00] Members learned from F.D. and the underline so that we can expedite the love them.
[7:55:07] Commissioner Gilbert?
[7:55:10] When you say take the underline team, you mean take the team or take the concept of the kind, because
[7:55:16] what do you mean?
[7:55:16] I'm talking about Irene and the folks that have been working on the underline, the underline
[7:55:21] is done in October, so they have a particular expertise that would be helpful to the
[7:55:31] more and getting another. I don't want them to do that again, but thank you.
[7:55:35] All right. So we have a motion by Commissioner Orbus, second by Commissioner Cohen Higgins.
[7:55:42] All in favor signify by say aye. All opposed nay. Show 1483 passed. All right. I got 14 B1.
[7:55:56] the WASD report, not a mayor.
[7:56:00] You'd like to be recognized.
[7:56:02] Mr. Chair.
[7:56:03] Sorry, I just wanted to thank everybody
[7:56:06] who came here today to speak on it.
[7:56:08] I really appreciate all the community members that came out
[7:56:11] and everybody who's been working on them for many, many years.
[7:56:14] I know some of them had to leave already,
[7:56:16] but I appreciate the great showing that we had
[7:56:19] from our constituents and our community.
[7:56:21] Thank you so much.
[7:56:21] Thank you so much for that comment. Yes, thank you everyone that came out and supported it
[7:56:26] Madam mayor on your was the report 14 B1 is the item number
[7:56:30] Thank you so much. I'm gonna defer to the water guy here water guy
[7:56:35] Is that our WDR?
[7:56:37] Roy Coli Mr Chairman for in respect of the hour. I'll try to summarize the report
[7:56:43] I got a question for you. Yes, sir. So like chief Coli rolled off the tongue
[7:56:49] But how do I depot your mayor coly, like it's just roaring this works better?
[7:56:53] It's a little longer.
[7:56:54] It's too much.
[7:56:55] DM.
[7:56:56] DM coly.
[7:56:58] DMC.
[7:56:59] Run DMC?
[7:57:01] Whatever you say will be the rule.
[7:57:03] You always got such a light spirit man.
[7:57:05] I really like you.
[7:57:06] I got your back.
[7:57:07] Thank you.
[7:57:08] I don't care what they say about you.
[7:57:09] I know it's a lot.
[7:57:12] It no matter what the mayor says, I'm always going to have your back.
[7:57:14] No, she clearly loves you.
[7:57:18] All right, I got my coffee.
[7:57:20] I got some extra whipped cream on the side.
[7:57:22] And also for the sugar.
[7:57:24] It's got some mocha.
[7:57:26] We're good.
[7:57:26] You got the floor.
[7:57:28] All right, thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[7:57:29] In summary of this item, the bottom line is about 30 years ago, the Board of
[7:57:34] County Commission was sued by the Federal Government and the State Government
[7:57:38] for violation of the Clean Water Act.
[7:57:40] As a result of that sued the Board,
[7:57:42] entered into consent decree with the federal government and the state government
[7:57:46] commit to a list of projects, however, they didn't fund those projects and the plan was
[7:57:51] to fund them yearly as the projects were being executed. We're about two years away from
[7:57:58] finishing the entire consent order if we're able to continue on our path. We're under federal oversight
[7:58:05] today, that cost us money every single year that we would like to see ended. And then in addition
[7:58:10] to the consent order in 2007, the state passed legislation that called the Ocean Outfall legislation
[7:58:17] requiring us to reduce the use of ocean outfalls for effluent of our wastewater plants.
[7:58:24] Same thing there, the board was required by the state to submit a plan to the EP, which they
[7:58:30] did, committing to compliance again without committing the money, saying, we'll raise it
[7:58:36] each year as we need it.
[7:58:37] So, the rate increase that has been proposed in the mayor's budget and has been explained in this report is the amount required to go to the bond market to raise the money for this year's bills.
[7:58:52] It's a 6% rate increase that will ultimately parlay into a bond deal to $435 million.
[7:59:01] That's 100% for capital improvements only, no operations money.
[7:59:08] The department has done an amazing job through cutting positions and we quiet down so we
[7:59:13] could listen to the deputy mayor.
[7:59:15] We quiet down in the back, staff, staff, can't we quiet down because I can't even hear
[7:59:20] myself.
[7:59:21] Thank you.
[7:59:22] Thank you, sir.
[7:59:22] The water and sewer department has done an excellent job cutting cost, eliminate positions
[7:59:26] to where they're asking for no increase for operational cost this year, this money will solely be used
[7:59:32] for raising capital. In the event, the board chooses not to approve the mayor's recommendation.
[7:59:40] We have provided that report, the list of projects that cannot go forward. There's a list of ocean
[7:59:45] outfall projects, consent order projects, and other capital improvement needs that just simply
[7:59:51] have to be delayed or canceled, so we put that in the report. We also have a letter that was
[7:59:57] distributed to you earlier today.
[8:00:00] From our bond engineer, who has reported that this is the minimum amount of increase to support the capital improvement needs.
[8:00:09] Our bond engineering consultant is also here today if anyone wants to question them about how they helped us to determine that information.
[8:00:19] We did this in report, we're happy to return at a later date with a resolution for you
[8:00:25] consider vote on it, or we're happy to deal with it during the budget.
[8:00:29] We will take your direction on that and happy to answer any questions.
[8:00:35] Thank you for that, Deputy Mayor.
[8:00:40] Commissioner Colin Higgins on a point of order.
[8:00:43] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[8:00:43] Point of order.
[8:00:44] What is before us is a report.
[8:00:47] Are you, so I just kind of understand procedurally what is before us?
[8:00:52] It's a report asking, making a recommendation for a 6% increase in fees.
[8:00:57] Is that accurate?
[8:00:58] It's a report.
[8:00:59] It's a report explaining the necessity of 6% in fees.
[8:01:04] It is not an official vote requested day, which is why we would be more than happy to return
[8:01:09] either with a reso or in the budget process.
[8:01:11] I see.
[8:01:12] Right now we're just having a discussion.
[8:01:14] We're not taking a vote on this.
[8:01:16] is that correct or you having someone move if we move the report as listed, it's not a option
[8:01:22] of the recommendation. I want to make sure that would be correct that's accurate. This is
[8:01:27] for discussion. This is a report only today. We would happily take the direction to come
[8:01:31] back with in a resophom or or just to vote on it during the budget process, whatever the board
[8:01:37] direct. Thank you for that clarification.
[8:01:40] Commissioner Burmutes, Deputy Mayor Coley.
[8:01:46] My question is we talked about how that consent agreement impacted small businesses in particular
[8:01:52] small restaurants through the fog aspect of it.
[8:01:57] When we, months ago, we asked to get a report and we talked about getting it done in 90 days,
[8:02:03] we could go back and at that point, you indicated that if we needed to get the support
[8:02:07] obviously of the state and the federal government, who I think would be supportive of the
[8:02:12] particular small businesses because our restaurants are having very, very difficult times
[8:02:16] to open.
[8:02:18] When are we going to get that report?
[8:02:21] The fall report, you've been provided a report on fog.
[8:02:26] Now, there's not been a report on when the Feds would consider changing the regulations quite
[8:02:32] frankly, as behind as the federal government is on these applications, we make it finish
[8:02:37] to consent order and have the whole consent order retired quicker than we can get the answers,
[8:02:42] but we have people in Atlanta with EPA that have told us they would consider and they
[8:02:49] would respond to any fog request that we have.
[8:02:54] So what's going to continue to happen in this county that somebody that does, John Badgew's
[8:02:59] shakes is going to have to pay probably $100,000 to be able to comply with what they
[8:03:04] have to comply with.
[8:03:05] So we're basically just, we're going to have to go to Broward County.
[8:03:10] I suppose, is that what you're telling us?
[8:03:11] No, that's not exactly what I'm saying.
[8:03:14] What I'm saying is, is EPA has indicated that they have an open ear and will consider
[8:03:19] our asks about changing the fog ordinances, the fog portion, the fog portion of the consent order.
[8:03:27] What I'm saying to you is, we make those ask and we don't get those answers very quickly.
[8:03:31] It will take time for them to respond as to what exactly we're asking for.
[8:03:36] I'm suggesting the most important thing we can do is finish the
[8:03:40] consent order projects and get the whole order lifted because what you're mentioning is just
[8:03:44] one impact of the consent order that has everyone's hands tied.
[8:03:48] Correct, but it's impact in a good number of the small businesses in our community.
[8:03:51] So, my question then with follow-up question would be the following,
[8:03:55] which one are a vast and sundry consultants?
[8:03:58] can we actually talk to it as see if anything could happen with with with EPA since in front of
[8:04:06] it since I you know it's great that you think it's going to be two years that you know that's fantastic
[8:04:11] but that doesn't solve the problem now for a restaurant is trying to open up in Miami Gardens for example
[8:04:16] that may have to come up with an incredible amount of money and it's not going to be able to
[8:04:22] and sometimes as it's been happening you saw we had it here and here where they even a gentleman from North Carolina
[8:04:26] who's trying to know a press conference said, hey, this is practically impossible. I'd rather
[8:04:29] go to another county in Florida. So I'm all for a complaint, but that's we have to anyways.
[8:04:35] But I think, you know, I think at least, I think we have a fighting chance with the President
[8:04:39] EPA number one and number two, nothing precludes us from making, because you can amend
[8:04:46] an agreement, as long as the parties agree to do so, and still continue with the rest of the
[8:04:56] consent decree until a couple of years down the road when we could.
[8:05:00] And hopefully, be lifted from this 30 year situation. So I'm not going to be labor of the point, but I think
[8:05:10] I'm going to talk to you personally, because I think there's ways we can get this done. And
[8:05:14] it's really killing the smaller businesses right now. And it's just not a good thing.
[8:05:21] We agree with the Commission of Bermuda and our assistant director of Durham, Rashid has been
[8:05:26] that a effort across Department of effort of looking for ways to reduce the cost of compliance
[8:05:31] as the law is written today and also with seeking relief from EPA and so I can commit
[8:05:38] to you that that's active and it's going on now we can meet and give you separate reports
[8:05:43] on all the things that he's doing in that space but it is a good point to highlight that
[8:05:48] that problem isn't going to go away with EPA as long as we're under consent orders.
[8:05:52] through the chair. I just want to add a point here. So I'm checking whether our federal lobbyists
[8:06:00] are working on this case. Obviously we support it, but you know we don't want to compromise our
[8:06:06] ability to get out from under this. No, absolutely not. But as far as being more active and promoting
[8:06:12] that change, we certainly will look into that and I'd like to do that. All right. Any further discussion
[8:06:20] on the report. So I'll move the report and I guess we'll have this back in September. Is that correct?
[8:06:28] As you might direct commissioner, it could either be in September as a resour in the budget,
[8:06:33] how would you direct? But to clarify, we would need action on the part of the board to increase
[8:06:41] the fee and we also want to note that solid waste, did you mention this, is today the deadline
[8:06:49] if we were to increase solid waste. I just put it out there. It's not the top.
[8:06:52] And it just be like the deputy mayor said in the budget instead of like a, apparently solid waste.
[8:06:57] We've learned last night from our county attorney. We could only decrease. We couldn't increase it.
[8:07:05] If we, if we held it flat, which is what the current status is and maybe we could ask them to clarify.
[8:07:10] So if there were any inclination to address some of the concerns that have been raised about
[8:07:16] having to cut a legal dumping enforcement and other items.
[8:07:19] This would be the day to do it, sir.
[8:07:21] OK, so.
[8:07:22] Can we first deal with the water?
[8:07:24] Let's deal with the water first.
[8:07:25] I think the water is something that could come in the budget, right?
[8:07:28] Yes, sir.
[8:07:28] Here comes the budget or about separate reservoir where you direct.
[8:07:31] Is it OK for you to move the item just to adopt the report?
[8:07:38] And then whatever recommendation comes in the budget, is that fair?
[8:07:42] I'm looking to the administration.
[8:07:44] Yeah, I'm looking to them, too.
[8:07:45] that we're not jeopardizing our consent to create or what our mission is.
[8:07:50] If that's the way you want, you recommend then that's fine, that's how it is.
[8:07:53] We had spoke early on with the chair about dealing with a lot of these raiding creases
[8:07:57] without bogging down the budget.
[8:07:59] That's why we brought these early to you.
[8:08:01] We're happy to stay on that path and bring it at the next meeting in the form of a resour or
[8:08:06] we can change if you'd rather not have a separate item and go with the budget.
[8:08:09] We were just trying to keep it from being such a time-consumption at budget day.
[8:08:14] One question.
[8:08:14] So, in order to not tie your hands in either direction today, we've got a little bit of time,
[8:08:19] is if we don't, if we just adopt the report and don't direct you to bring it in the form of a
[8:08:23] rezo, or in the budget, is it at your discretion, how you like to bring it?
[8:08:27] However, you want us to, we will.
[8:08:28] So, let's discuss it in the best format for this body to discuss one when it comes before
[8:08:33] us next.
[8:08:33] It is actually reflected in our proposed budget.
[8:08:36] Okay.
[8:08:38] So, with that, there's a motion by Commissioner Steinberg to adopt the report, seconded by Commissioner
[8:08:42] Gilbert.
[8:08:43] And he has a question.
[8:08:45] I'm really just a confidence chairman, just be mindful that if you include this in a proposed budget,
[8:08:48] if you decide to adopt something that's not in proposed budget, something that's not a part of the proposed budget,
[8:08:54] we're going to be forced to be changing it on the fly doing our discussion in proposed budget.
[8:08:58] That's why the resolution is probably preferred amount, so that resolution then allows them to work in what we've said into the budget about a budget.
[8:09:08] So I'm not telling you all how to do a administration is chairman not telling you how to direct them, but if we get into a situation where they put it in proposed budget at 6% and we decide to do 2% or 3% or 1% or nothing, then they're going to force a recalculation of that budget on the spot.
[8:09:28] And so I think that, you know, that's probably not in best keeping with us being efficient and doing stuff expeditiously in budget time.
[8:09:36] So I think we might have heard.
[8:09:38] I would encourage us to do the resolution at some point.
[8:09:41] You're right, but for every year, that happens, though.
[8:09:45] I mean, different things.
[8:09:47] I think they're going to be prepared either way
[8:09:48] to make adjustments that day, but I hear you.
[8:09:52] Again, without, by not doing anything,
[8:09:54] they still can bring a resolution.
[8:09:55] It's not preventing you from bringing me a resolution
[8:09:58] and me placing it on the agenda.
[8:10:00] A resolution for your consideration. Awesome. Sounds good. All right. So we have a motion by Steinberg, a second by Commissioner Gilbert, on favor of adopting the report, saying if I'm saying aye, all opposed, nay, show the report adopted.
[8:10:16] The report.
[8:10:20] So it doesn't want to adopt the report. This is for all right. So I've got, that's it for the pull list, right?
[8:10:28] Did you want to speak on the solid waste item or no we can't do you want to do you want us to well
[8:10:34] We had an item today. I'm ready
[8:10:37] You know what the answer is no no no no no go ahead. No. I think that probably we weren't able to to clarify before now
[8:10:45] Is that because the solid waste fees on the trim notice if we choose to increase the solid waste fee
[8:10:51] It can't be passed a day and be on the trim notice we can go lower or we can stay the same
[8:10:57] But since it was determined by this board that we weren't going to raise the solid waste fee,
[8:11:02] there have been a number of people voice concerns about what cuts are coming in solid waste.
[8:11:07] So just in full transparency, we're happy to go forward at your direction, raising it or not.
[8:11:12] All right. So I'll entertain a conversation of it. Commissioner, go ahead. Just let's
[8:11:18] Yeah, thank you. And everyone's been tired. On the solid waste, we really haven't had an opportunity
[8:11:24] to work on the budget, but the reason that I brought the item as a flat item is because
[8:11:30] I think that there are certain changes to our solid waste department that we can bring
[8:11:36] in order to keep it flat. I've been working with my district about making some changes,
[8:11:42] and I think throughout the budget process we can show how we can do both things,
[8:11:47] but we would have to change some of the things that we do in solid waste, but it would not
[8:11:53] patch our ability to pick up solid waste.
[8:11:56] So that's the reason why I brought the item for flat.
[8:11:59] Last year, you know it was all very polemic, we spent a lot of time on the solid waste
[8:12:04] fee.
[8:12:05] It's something that people feel very strongly about.
[8:12:09] And this year it'll be the same, but I'm happy to work on it, like we did in August.
[8:12:14] And what I don't recommend is for us to agree on raising it and then to lower it because the
[8:12:21] The trim is what people see, so we had this issue last year, which is why this year I brought it flat.
[8:12:30] Commissioner Cohen Higgins.
[8:12:33] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[8:12:37] Again, procedurally.
[8:12:39] The item passed flat, correct?
[8:12:43] We're discussing it because today, essentially, is the deadline.
[8:12:46] You're basically saying, you're sending us caution, right?
[8:12:49] like today is the deadline should there be a discussion about entertaining a potential increase in
[8:12:54] the solid waste fees which is what you all have recommended correct? That's correct. Okay, so in that
[8:12:59] spirit and you all are doing things differently now I've noticed it you're doing it on the water
[8:13:06] and sewer you did it on solid waste you did it on waste to energy you're issuing these memos saying
[8:13:13] this is what's going to be cut should you not adopt our recommendation right and so I would like
[8:13:19] you to go over what it is that you all are representing will be cut from solid ways as a result
[8:13:26] of you all not getting the recommended rate increase that you all are requesting. Because I think
[8:13:32] we need to understand and digest what it is that you are saying we will or what you all are proposing
[8:13:37] will be lost as a result of your recommendation not being adopted by this fort.
[8:13:43] And on that note while you pull that up, Deputy Mayor, I think the same, and I don't want
[8:13:47] to go back till we pass on already, but the same could be said for the water's sewer
[8:13:50] memo.
[8:13:51] Well, that's my point.
[8:13:52] And I'm going to get to that because the water in sewer memo is extraordinarily detailed.
[8:13:58] And, you know, again, these are consent decree projects.
[8:14:03] So, you know, we're not confused about the necessity of these projects, but you all are messaging
[8:14:08] differently.
[8:14:09] I hear you.
[8:14:10] I understand, but if you're asking us to essentially reconsider what has already been passed,
[8:14:15] I eat a flat rate, speak to us specifically about what will be affected, should the rates
[8:14:23] stay flat?
[8:14:24] Commissioner, we issued a memo identifying about $4.6 million in cost reductions that we would
[8:14:31] have to achieve.
[8:14:32] $1.5 million of that was for illegal dumping in homeless encampment program, one meal
[8:14:38] in code enforcement, 700,000 in liter pickup, 900,000 in training, and accounting, and 500,000
[8:14:46] dollars in capital projects is what we would not do this year out of flat rate.
[8:14:52] And that is as a result of you all still having funds in your carryover accounts that can't
[8:14:59] cover.
[8:15:02] I'm not sure the question. I mean, we have reserves, but our reserves are woefully low. There are still
[8:15:09] money in reserves, but we believe our reserves need to be added to considering the situation
[8:15:15] with EPA now and with FEMA over any hurricanes we're expected to have a lot higher portion of that
[8:15:22] cost. And so we think we need to be adding more to the reserves. We did not consider taking money from
[8:15:27] reserves to pay operating cost. Okay, and what was the percent increase that passed last year for solid
[8:15:33] waste? I think it was about one. I don't remember the exact number. It was 0.7. 0.7% and this year you
[8:15:40] all are recommending what percent increase? Well, we brought an item to you for 2% because the board
[8:15:45] had previously directed us to bring an item to you for CPI. So we brought you an item for 2% even though
[8:15:52] actual cost of operation exceeded 2%. We found cost savings in cuts to get it down to the 2%
[8:16:00] CPI that the board directed us to bring. So we can meet all of our obligations at 2%
[8:16:06] anything less there has to be something cut. Okay and the 2% represents the 4.6 million dollars
[8:16:11] that you just ran off the list of items that would be cut. Yes ma'am. But service I eat trash collection
[8:16:16] and pickup would not be effective. It would not be impacted. We will continue to pick up
[8:16:19] we're obligated to do. It's the answering services and enforcement that will suffer greatly.
[8:16:24] And the list that you just enumerated is in consideration of what we've talked about on previous
[8:16:31] budget conversations. I e-salary staying flat going into the next fiscal year. That's correct.
[8:16:37] Okay, thank you. We've accounted for zero increases in salaries in our budgets. Okay, thank you, Mr. Chair.
[8:16:45] Commissioner Gilbert, Commissioner Gilbert, you're looking. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[8:16:55] We struggle with this every year and I understand why we struggle with it every year.
[8:17:03] But it's not necessarily that complicated, especially when we bring in about bringing back
[8:17:10] recommendations when the administration's bring back recommendations that align with the CPI.
[8:17:17] If the gas goes up, that operates the trucks, it costs more to operate the trucks.
[8:17:27] It costs more to pick up.
[8:17:29] The targets.
[8:17:30] We've got to fix that with the energy fuel.
[8:17:32] I mean, the basis.
[8:17:34] I don't know what the whole day we're going to fix.
[8:17:35] If, as a today, our labor costs go up for the people who operate the trucks,
[8:17:45] that
[8:17:45] And then the cost to pick up the trash goes up.
[8:17:51] It is a fee-driven system.
[8:17:56] I do not want to pay more.
[8:17:59] But what this board did that addressed years of imbalance was bring the right back in alignment.
[8:18:11] I think we did that two years ago.
[8:18:13] I just caution you all that it might seem like a little bit now because it is.
[8:18:21] They're recommending 2% you want to keep it flat, it's no big deal, it's just 4.6 million.
[8:18:27] It doesn't seem like that, but it probably didn't seem like that to prior commissions when
[8:18:32] they did it also.
[8:18:34] And then the aggregate effect of years of not doing that,
[8:18:39] placed our system in a rears.
[8:18:45] And then of future commission, it was us this time,
[8:18:49] and it'll be someone else the next time,
[8:18:51] had to make a really big increase.
[8:18:57] And so let me just suggest that we're not being,
[8:19:00] when we do that, we're not being fair to
[8:19:05] The future ratepayers
[8:19:08] Because they're going to have to absorb the cost at some point for the increase that we did in the increase in gas and labor
[8:19:16] This year
[8:19:17] We're going to have to make up the money at some point. We will
[8:19:21] Trim some down and then we won't be able to trim anymore and then we won't want to cut service because people use to pick up a week and
[8:19:29] People still want illegal dumping picked up and people still want code enforcement
[8:19:33] people still want these things. And so at some point you will have to reduce the service,
[8:19:40] or you will have to make an adjustment to align the service with the fee.
[8:19:47] And so I just
[8:19:48] we can do whatever the board pleasure is. I am always intrigued by Commissioner Regalado's
[8:19:56] proposition of, I can find.
[8:20:01] And it's always interesting how her and the administration get together. And it always comes back somewhere, like, in between what they said and what she said. But if you set the rate today, and you can't go any higher, then whether the CPI ends up being, we know the CPI is something, no matter what the cut is, the CPI is going to be something. So even if they reduced in some areas, we can't go any higher.
[8:20:29] as they say they've already reduced.
[8:20:33] And that's fine.
[8:20:35] So right now they're asking for 2% even though it would
[8:20:38] technically more than 2%.
[8:20:39] Let's say she's a brilliant cutter and slasher
[8:20:44] and making things efficient, and she cuts that in half,
[8:20:47] is still 1% and you've left the system in balance.
[8:20:52] And so I just want us to appreciate the fact
[8:20:56] sometimes being fiscally conservative means you actually figure out what the actual cost is
[8:21:06] in charge it because there's a component of being fiscally conservative that means you're
[8:21:13] being fiscally responsible.
[8:21:16] So if we really want to be responsible then we'll say to them
[8:21:20] we're not going to raise the fee cut the service and we'll just take that L with the service
[8:21:27] recipients, the residents. If we really want to do that, if we really want to say, okay,
[8:21:34] this is all we're willing for this fee to be. What can you do with this? They reduce the
[8:21:41] services and we go from there. The problem with that is every year they will have to reduce
[8:21:45] services more. And that's going to be the challenge. So I just, this is more of philosophical
[8:21:54] conversation that we probably should, and we did address when we told them that bring us back,
[8:22:01] bring us back the recommendation at CPI. I was going to say we should have this philosophical
[8:22:06] conversation, but we did have this philosophical conversation. And so now they're bringing us back
[8:22:15] back what we told them to bring us back after they cut, and we're saying we still won't do
[8:22:22] it.
[8:22:23] And so that's a challenge that puts the administration in a very intense situation, and it
[8:22:29] puts us in a position of having the exact same conversation every year, which I guess might
[8:22:38] not be any sanity, even though they say it is.
[8:22:43] So, let's move on.
[8:22:46] Here's what we can do.
[8:22:47] We can either move on, or we can reconsider 5N,
[8:22:53] which is what we approved earlier on the flat rate,
[8:22:56] and have it re-noticed and just re-discuss it on September 1st.
[8:22:59] They can advertise it and re-discuss it on September 1st,
[8:23:02] or we can move on with what we just approved today, which is 5N.
[8:23:07] I'll recognize you for some final comments,
[8:23:09] but after that, I'm going to encourage that we just
[8:23:12] We want to go in.
[8:23:13] I get it.
[8:23:14] And look, and I appreciate that.
[8:23:16] Commissioner Gilbert, we always have this ideological conversation.
[8:23:19] I think last year we got the department to make some cuts.
[8:23:22] I think this year we have to get the department to change the way it does certain things.
[8:23:26] And it just hasn't done that.
[8:23:27] I've brought a lot of items.
[8:23:29] I'm asking this department to make more revenue.
[8:23:31] And it's going to take something like this to have to push them into that uncomfortable space.
[8:23:36] And the reality is that while we talk about all the things that are going to be cut,
[8:23:41] Look, I was upset when I found out that we ended up paying for the city of Miami's FIFA trash.
[8:23:47] We were not obligated to do that, you know, it was over $300,000 that we're paying.
[8:23:52] And I think we should get that back from the city of Miami.
[8:23:55] And that's one of the things that we need to discuss because, you know, we approved this budget
[8:23:59] and then we're given this draconian list of things.
[8:24:02] There's other things.
[8:24:04] There's other revenues that we've talked about.
[8:24:06] There's many dumps. There's changing the way that we do things and there is this constant push back on changing the way that we do solid waste and I think this year
[8:24:16] We hold them flat. We make those changes for point six is not that big of a deal
[8:24:20] But we're actually going to get some traction on changing how we do this and I think if we change some of the ways that we do this
[8:24:27] We're going to buy naturally curtail some of that illegal dumpy and some of the things that we're spending money on so I would tell you to hold it
[8:24:35] You know, this is very different from water and sewer. This is not a federal issue. This is not a consent issue
[8:24:41] This is choices that we're making us all in ways to do things a certain way and there are other options and we could do better
[8:24:48] We're just not being pushed to do better
[8:24:51] All right, so that's said yes commissioner Steinberg. Thank you
[8:24:55] So I think there are benefits in having this conversation
[8:25:00] I think it's important for us to look at all sides of this. Now, I guess this is a question either for the administration or the attorneys.
[8:25:10] You know, if we were to reconsider the item and that way in September, I think September 1st, which still gives us time because the trim notice is September 15th, is the deadline correct?
[8:25:22] No.
[8:25:24] It's not the trim a commissioner, the statute that we travel under to put it on in tax bill is
[8:25:29] 197362 and that requires the board to adopt it at a public hearing honor before September 15th.
[8:25:35] Thank you.
[8:25:36] That's been a long day and I didn't get whipped cream and whatever he got.
[8:25:41] So, yeah.
[8:25:45] But could we, if we were to reconsider this item to have the discussion in full in September,
[8:25:52] Could we earmark to Commissioner Regalado's point about changing some of what we see and how we do things and looking at it through a different lens for the future?
[8:26:03] You know, you mentioned something that is important to me, which is the reserves, right?
[8:26:06] We don't have any reserves right now.
[8:26:08] And so we could even go to that CPI and put a portion of that into the reserves that they can't touch until we also figure out a better policy moving forward.
[8:26:19] And that's something that we can have a real discussion about.
[8:26:22] So that's my my my my thought about maybe we stay flat, you know,
[8:26:26] we're not committing to anything.
[8:26:27] But I think that's one reason that we could look at is to the reconsideration.
[8:26:33] So it's really not me.
[8:26:34] I think I see it.
[8:26:35] But I guess it's a question because we're all in the same page.
[8:26:40] We understand everything costs more money and we have to pay for it.
[8:26:43] And it's really a little disheartening when we hear that everything
[8:26:49] Thank you, sir.
[8:26:49] I'm going up, but we keep everything flat and still cost to the residents here of, it's
[8:26:54] a cost to us that we have to bear.
[8:26:56] But I really do have a commission or a lot of there is times that we need to see changes.
[8:27:00] And we need to ensure that they come back with these changes.
[8:27:03] And I think that I agree with you that we've asked previous times to come up with certain
[8:27:10] changes to the way that we try to monetize and collect trash, and we haven't seen a lot
[8:27:16] of traction on that.
[8:27:17] However,
[8:27:20] there has to be somewhere we can land this plane on, because we do have to be honest
[8:27:26] with our voters.
[8:27:29] Maybe if we can get this administration to come back with a different plan from here
[8:27:33] to September, that can try to monetize that with you Commissioner Steinberg.
[8:27:39] Maybe that's the path that we go and compressing the time and by September they should come
[8:27:45] with some time for us, and that gives us a flexibility to see whether or not because I've
[8:27:49] always said I'm okay with going back to my, I can go back to my taxpayers and to our road
[8:27:53] into our voters and ask for an increase when there's changes on our rent. I would hate to go back
[8:27:59] to the voters of Pialea and District 13 and ask for an increase anywhere where we haven't done
[8:28:06] any changes. We haven't made any movement forward to make sure that we are better stores of the
[8:28:15] Commissioner Steinberg, I think there might be a happy medium here and maybe if you guys can help me articulate that and we can try to do that.
[8:28:25] Okay.
[8:28:29] All right. So are we really doing this? All right.
[8:28:32] Just a quick comment.
[8:28:33] I'm just a quick comment.
[8:28:34] I know that our committee.
[8:28:38] The one that Commissioner.
[8:28:39] million Orbus and I chair has decided to take a deep dive into all of the departments, including
[8:28:48] solid waste, because despite the fact that it is like an enterprise fund, we said that's
[8:28:53] the one that gives us the most heartburn. And so we're committed to doing that in August.
[8:29:00] Remember, we said we wouldn't take a recess because we really wanted to look at all of the
[8:29:05] departments that touch general revenue but also this one in particular. So we're
[8:29:11] excited to do that work and I'm sure that we're going to find ways in which
[8:29:15] things can change because you know we agree things have to be done differently and
[8:29:21] unless we explore that we're not being faithful to our fiduciary duty. So just
[8:29:28] wanted to point that out that that's what we'll be doing in August.
[8:29:33] Okay so let's
[8:29:34] But here's what I don't want to do, and it doesn't bind us, but I also don't want to spend
[8:29:40] another two hours on September 1st, unnecessarily.
[8:29:43] But this is important enough to do it.
[8:29:45] So what I would suggest is, let's take a struggle.
[8:29:47] If there's an appetite to change the, and I don't do struggle, it's often on the days, but
[8:29:52] let's take a struggle to see, reconsidering is one thing.
[8:29:55] I think we got the vote to tell you to reconsider.
[8:29:57] Is there, I like the struggle to see, is there an appetite to actually, in?
[8:30:06] We could even do it by raise of hands, like who's even got an appetite to even discuss the possibility. You're not even saying that you're going to increase it, but even discuss the possibility of increasing anything over a flat rate for solid waste.
[8:30:21] Last show of hands, is there anyone that would like to have a conversation?
[8:30:27] Well, we don't have a report, but if there's no one that's even inclined to hear one out,
[8:30:32] why discuss it for two hours, if at the end, it's not going to happen.
[8:30:36] Okay, let me show it.
[8:30:37] I appreciate it.
[8:30:37] And I said it clearly on the record that I'm willing to entertain it as long as there's changes from
[8:30:42] the administration to come to the board.
[8:30:44] That's the only way.
[8:30:44] Well, I understand.
[8:30:45] And that's why I'm saying like you said it right, but there's some that even with the right
[8:30:50] recommendations are not going to entertain a rating increase.
[8:30:54] I'm sure that Gilbert might entertain it, because he said something, he alluded to it.
[8:30:59] René, you know, Senator Garcia, you've alluded to it, Steinberg, so that's three.
[8:31:03] I see Reganado shaking her head no, so, you know, by a straw vote, I don't know that, so
[8:31:11] then I just, I don't see it.
[8:31:13] It's not, that I don't want it, I don't see it.
[8:31:15] So let's avoid a two-hour conversation on this on September 1st, and move on.
[8:31:20] with our life. All right. That said, I have some motions pending, and then we have discussion
[8:31:27] items. Let's do the discussion items. Let's do discussions. We'll do motions after.
[8:31:34] I got motions too. You got motion. I got motion, but let's do the discussion items. Everybody
[8:31:38] got motions, but we're going to do discussion items. So 6A1 is an item I put on the agenda to discuss
[8:31:46] the EV fleet, and I know we supported an item today, well, we voted on an item earlier today,
[8:31:54] and I got a lot of very spoke, but spoke on it for a second.
[8:31:56] I told her we had a discussion item, and if you wanted to jump in, but look, I put this
[8:32:01] on just because I think most of my colleagues who share the same sentiment, and probably
[8:32:07] the mayor shares it too, but that's just frustrating to have the experience of having gone
[8:32:14] through what we're going through with all of these vehicles
[8:32:16] that are just parked in a lot, what is it like, 69, right?
[8:32:23] And maybe, you know, last time I checked only like three
[8:32:25] to five of them were operational out of the 69.
[8:32:29] So deputy mayor, and or the mayor, if you can, you know,
[8:32:33] give us a brief but give us a kind of a summary as to where we are.
[8:32:38] I may have some questions of the attorneys thereafter,
[8:32:41] but if you can give us an update as to where we are.
[8:32:44] And ultimately the underlying sentiment on my end, anyway, is just, it just hurts to have all of this money parked in a parking lot.
[8:32:54] I know I'm not alone in my sentiment, so, you know, what are our options? What can we do? Can we sell this for parts? Are we in litigation?
[8:33:01] Give us a lay of the land of where we are today. Some articles have come out and there really hasn't been a lot of discussion publicly, other than, you know, the reporter and memo.
[8:33:10] Can you just kind of bring us up to speed?
[8:33:11] Yes, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Let me provide a few historical facts that are important for
[8:33:17] the conversation. In 2018, the Board of County Commissioner directed the then mayor to increase
[8:33:23] its electric bus fleet with a directive to get 50 percent electric buses. The following year,
[8:33:30] in 2019, the then mayor recommended to the commission that approved purchase in these pro-terror
[8:33:36] buses. Now, the bottom line is the pro-terror buses. The company went bankrupt. They were
[8:33:42] failed technology. I would go so far to say this is an excellent example of how we need
[8:33:48] to be more careful buying unproven technologies. Clearly, the commission in the mayor at the
[8:33:53] time wanted cutting-edge technology, and this turned out to be bleeding-edge. The company went bankrupt.
[8:33:58] The buses don't run. We have a few still running. Subsequent to that, the county did buy
[8:34:05] 100 electric buses from another manufacturer and they're performing outstandingly. They're doing a fine job.
[8:34:11] So it's not the fact that there are electric hits the problem. The problem is as we bought buses from an
[8:34:16] unproven company and they failed miserably. Now where we stand today, more to your question, a lot of these buses were
[8:34:23] purchased with federal dollars and the department has requested permission from the federal government
[8:34:28] to dispose of these as some way to give us some benefits and we're waiting on their answer.
[8:34:32] In the meantime, we have a handful of buses running and we're using the majority of them
[8:34:38] to scavenge parts off of to keep running.
[8:34:41] So yeah, the departments also, the county attorneys have filed suit on our behalf.
[8:34:47] And so we're chasing lawsuits to try to recover money, knowing it's a bankrupt company.
[8:34:51] I don't know how much we're actually going to recover, but we are chasing that and we're
[8:34:55] looking for the feds to let us to dispose of the buses in some advantageous way.
[8:35:00] And that being made, you said something that's important. So, a vast majority, and I don't know what the percentages, but was purchased with federal dollars. Needless to say, those federal dollars could have been implemented elsewhere, but at a minimum, we're not responsible for repaying those federal dollars, right?
[8:35:18] Not that I'm away. I don't know where I would do that at the attorney loan of it. So, yes, it's still wasted. Money we could have invested elsewhere and a lot of it. We don't have to repay it, right?
[8:35:28] To be clear, Mr. Chair, we've made the application, and we've had some positive responses,
[8:35:33] but it has not been formally concluded.
[8:35:37] It's Bruce, do you want to add to that?
[8:35:40] Mr. Chairman, typically, when you get an FTA grant to buy buses, you agree to utilize those
[8:35:46] buses for the useful life, and that's depending upon the type of bus, it could be ten years
[8:35:52] 12 years, etc. We're in the process and we have applied for FTA to allow us to retire
[8:36:01] these buses that are not operating prior to what would have normally been the useful life
[8:36:07] without any penalty or without having to reimburse FTA, we've not received an official response
[8:36:15] or approval yet.
[8:36:17] Well, this is a national problem to the Commission.
[8:36:20] We're not the only city that experience this.
[8:36:22] And we have been attempting to repurpose parts.
[8:36:26] And we could get more detail about that from our director.
[8:36:29] But obviously, we want to do everything in our power.
[8:36:33] We also sued the company.
[8:36:34] As you know, when company went bankrupt, there was a successor company.
[8:36:38] We were working with them.
[8:36:39] They did, I think, manage to provide some spare parts and some repairs.
[8:36:43] But not adequate.
[8:36:44] And eventually, we filed a lawsuit.
[8:36:46] So, and to the attorney, when was that requested of the federal government to forgive that timeline and allow us to dispose of them?
[8:37:00] I rely on DTVW, you know, the exactity of the application. I know I tend to meet a few weeks ago, but I don't know when it actually was submitted.
[8:37:08] It could be months, you know, need an exactity.
[8:37:10] It's been several months that we've been working through the request to relinquish the federal
[8:37:17] interest on the buses that were funded through the federal transit administration.
[8:37:25] We've had successful meetings, but we are still waiting for their final response, but it's
[8:37:31] been several months where we've been interacting with FTA for them to release their financial
[8:37:37] interest.
[8:37:37] Okay, can we, and I don't know what my colleagues have any questions on this discussion, but can we up until some resolution is given, can we receive to the administration, can we receive, I don't know, maybe quarterly reports on is that fair quarterly, not monthly, maybe, but quarterly reports on a status update, and then I think and I know that this gets a little trickier, but if we can also receive some sort of safeguard, you know,
[8:38:07] guardrails for future purchases of this kind so that we don't repeat history and of course
[8:38:15] that's a policy decision we can direct the administration to go and purchase and I get
[8:38:18] that but if you know again in the spirit of codecans pointed out all these memos can we have
[8:38:23] like maybe a memo establishing recommended guardrails to when we make these policy decisions
[8:38:30] and these directives up here I don't want to I know we're all over Gilbert is thinking I know
[8:38:34] He said, don't tell us how to govern, but I think we need some measures as to not allow
[8:38:44] history to be repeated as we move forward with even things outside of transportation and
[8:38:52] outside of buses and things of that nature. But we are coming up, we're here today in a world
[8:38:58] where AI is ever changing, technology, and we're going to be making these decisions of investing
[8:39:04] in a lot of new technology, we're doing it already, we're going to continue doing it, but
[8:39:08] we have to do it smartly and with the right consultants and the right expertise.
[8:39:14] So if we can have some sort of gardener, I know it's tricky, because everything is changing
[8:39:18] so often, but if that's feasible, that's fair.
[8:39:22] Right, thank you, Mr. Chair.
[8:39:23] So obviously, as you say, there's a lot of new things always in the marketplace, we're constantly
[8:39:28] being invited to purchase things, for example, in the solid waste space, many, many vendors
[8:39:33] who have new ideas, and as was mentioned by Deputy Mayor, we want to make sure there's a track record.
[8:39:39] We don't want to be the guinea pigs.
[8:39:41] In this particular case, going backwards in time, I was a commissioner at the time.
[8:39:46] The company was a leader in batteries but not in buses.
[8:39:51] So the company that actually did the buses was rejected and the company that did focus on
[8:39:55] batteries was accepted.
[8:39:56] So under our procurement, we would always have.
[8:40:01] Experience, track record, performance data, that sort of thing. But I think, for sure, we can look at those criteria and see how we can beef them up to make sure we don't make mistakes of this sort.
[8:40:11] There enough, commissioner from District 1, you reckon?
[8:40:13] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the spirit of guardwear else, I think probably in appropriate standard will be making sure some things agnostic enough that it doesn't, it's not singularly usable by the vendor that we get it from.
[8:40:30] And so I think that's probably how we need to look at it, because I appreciate the mere
[8:40:37] position, but we won't always be in a position where we have to wait for everyone else
[8:40:41] to test something from around, but that's not realistic.
[8:40:44] That's not realistic.
[8:40:45] It's cool to say, but from our perspective, we will have to be, at some point, makes
[8:40:51] some decisions where, hey, we don't know there isn't up.
[8:40:56] There was 45 counties in the state using something.
[8:41:01] But if you use the technology that's agnostic in a way or such that if that company goes
[8:41:08] out of business, you can still actually work with other folks.
[8:41:15] And so I think about it in terms of like transit, rapid mass transit.
[8:41:19] We don't know which change the LPA for the North corridor to be elevated fixed gateway and
[8:41:25] We've changed it because we wanted it to be open to different technologies, not just elevated heavy rail.
[8:41:30] Because heavy rail is too expensive for us.
[8:41:34] We changed the fixed guide, but all the fixed guide way, a lot of the fixed guide way technologies are new technologies.
[8:41:40] The question that becomes, how could we use them? We used them by building a fixed guide way that allows for other modes.
[8:41:48] So if that one doesn't work, we can still replace it.
[8:41:50] And I think that that's how we need to probably approach our procurement when we're looking at that and what we're evaluating that, not just what it could be used for, but what is being proposed for what it could be used for.
[8:42:04] And I think that's an appropriate guardrail to look at Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
[8:42:08] Thank you.
[8:42:08] I got the vice chair and the vice chair.
[8:42:11] Thank you Mr. Chairman and look, I think I'm going to borrow a quote from my colleague.
[8:42:17] I'm not going to tell you I told you so, but I told you so.
[8:42:22] Years ago, when I was in Tallahassee, I organized all the South-Date leaders
[8:42:28] to push against forcing a mode of transportation, particularly the BRT, against the wishes
[8:42:38] of the people.
[8:42:40] I stood there at that podium, and we had all the research we needed to convince the commission
[8:42:46] then that going opposite of what the people wanted was truly going to be a disaster.
[8:42:54] We stood at that podium.
[8:42:56] We gave every reason why real should have been the preferred choice for the folk down
[8:43:04] south.
[8:43:06] And also we told them that they should have used that opportunity to connect the north in
[8:43:10] South by real, that we thought that the opportunity that was presenting itself, that
[8:43:19] that particular moment, it was right.
[8:43:23] But we were told that we were wrong, that deals had already been made, conversations
[8:43:28] had already been had, and that the issue was pretty much over and done with.
[8:43:35] subsequently I came back and I said, hey, I think we have more problems with these companies,
[8:43:41] particularly with their financial stability. And we were told, no, that is just me overlooking
[8:43:49] some particular documents that I should simply just, no, my, my own business and so many words.
[8:43:57] So the coalition in South Day fought for real for both North and South, but we ended up as we see
[8:44:04] We got the BRT and we were told that these are electric buses.
[8:44:07] These buses that have been sitting in this graveyard.
[8:44:11] That's what we should call it.
[8:44:12] It's a bus graveyard.
[8:44:15] We're going to be the answer to save the South day people from misery.
[8:44:21] I then took a trip over to the Department of Transportation and had an opportunity to see
[8:44:26] those buses in its great state.
[8:44:29] And again, they were dead then as they are dead now.
[8:44:33] So now the question really becomes, what do we go back and we tell the great people of
[8:44:38] the South day community and the people in the North day community about whether or not
[8:44:44] their choices were overlooked due to other reasons that they had no privy to.
[8:44:51] Now why do I bring all of that up?
[8:44:53] It's because I am sure that there were...
[8:45:00] Deals that were never made available to the people. Deals that I believe had they had information about.
[8:45:10] They would have rallied against all of this. They would have called for resignations. They would have called for investigations.
[8:45:17] but we're here now and I have full faith in my mirror, I have full faith in this
[8:45:24] commission that we're going to do the right thing because at the end of the day
[8:45:30] let's be absolutely clear we still need the rail down south. I'm telling you I
[8:45:38] said BRT was the wrong choice then and I'm telling you it is still the wrong choice
[8:45:43] and I'm telling you simply by looking at what's going on today by these
[8:45:47] reports, it echoes exactly what I've been saying, that it was an inside job and it was
[8:45:54] an inside hit on the great people of South D, which also affect the great people of North
[8:45:58] D, and that at some point we got to come to realize that when we were calling for the
[8:46:03] rail to the South D community, it was less than $1 billion. When we call for it at grade,
[8:46:10] It was less than $600 million.
[8:46:14] Now, we're stuck with a possibility of looking at a rail to the south,
[8:46:18] whether it's at gray or not, somewhere way beyond $3 billion.
[8:46:27] And now we're dealing with this bus fee askle.
[8:46:31] Bus is there to find out a graveyard that's taking up space
[8:46:34] that we can't even get our money back.
[8:46:36] Information that we readily had available at the time we made a decision to make this purchase.
[8:46:40] But again, I have full faith in my mayor, I have full faith in our commission that we're going to do the right thing and not allow this debacle to be the face of our transportation system.
[8:46:51] And I do have a lot of faith in our director who's going to get us through it because he's always been on the frontline doing the right things.
[8:46:57] And I just wanted to put that on a record. Again, I'm not going to say I told you so, but I told you so.
[8:47:06] All right, I'm going to share a review as you recognize.
[8:47:09] I have a question because I'm a little bit for the attorneys.
[8:47:13] Do we have to reimburse the federal government on these grants or not?
[8:47:21] Currently no.
[8:47:23] Currently, yes, in other words, currently.
[8:47:26] Did you have a question?
[8:47:27] Yes, or no?
[8:47:29] No, if you either keep the buses for the useful life or get the consent from FTA to retire them early.
[8:47:39] DTPW is not retired them, but is asking FTA concurrence to allow us to retire them early.
[8:47:47] If we get that concurrence, we can retire them or move them, use it for scrap metal.
[8:47:51] If we don't, either we reimburse the federal government, a preratoportion, or they would
[8:47:58] either go into service or sit there.
[8:48:00] So as it stands now,
[8:48:04] because, you know, keeping it for the full life for whatever year
[8:48:07] you said 10, 15, whatever, they're not working, but we can keep them.
[8:48:10] They could be sitting where they're sitting right now and everybody can take pictures and say,
[8:48:13] look what if you ask them. But if we, if we do get, if we do have that agreement,
[8:48:21] then we would be able to do whatever we want with it. We can sell a scrap metal, we could sell it
[8:48:26] the city of Miami not just kidding. One of those we could do whatever we want with
[8:48:31] it correct
[8:48:34] yes depending upon the explicit terms of the FTA would give but in
[8:48:39] general if they allowed us to retire or dispose of them we could do it as we
[8:48:44] pleased yes they would be relinquishing their federal interest and so then we would
[8:48:47] be able to do with those buses or parts as we please and as far as whatever we do
[8:48:55] litigation or not. I don't want to impact the litigation so I preface my comments with that.
[8:49:00] It's our feeling or understanding that the entity is no longer viable. They declared bankruptcies.
[8:49:06] Is that correct?
[8:49:08] The original manufacturer who delivered the buses filed bankruptcy, a subsequent company, Phoenix,
[8:49:16] Motor, motor, transportation ink, filed assumed the contract.
[8:49:22] our positions, they did not comply with the provisions of the contract, and so we have terminated
[8:49:27] and filed suit with them.
[8:49:29] He answered them.
[8:49:30] In that contract between the original entity and or the one, if it was an amendment or not
[8:49:35] to the contract with Phoenix, was there any clause for liquidated damages?
[8:49:40] If in fact, they were not able to provide the service that one supposed is they would be
[8:49:45] able to provide.
[8:49:50] I have to look into it, but if I don't want to give an answer without having
[8:49:57] coaching in front of me.
[8:50:00] The issue is not the delivery of the buses. The issue would have been on on the warranty. The buses were delivered. So I need to look and see if there was a specific, liquid damage provision as it pertains to the warranty.
[8:50:13] And the final question parts that also were not provided. The final question would be, do you, is there, do you have a timeline when you would expect the federal government to respond by?
[8:50:25] I would defer to the director on that issue.
[8:50:28] We had hoped they would already have responded.
[8:50:30] They have come back to us with a few more questions that we are answering.
[8:50:35] So we're anticipating within the next.
[8:50:38] Hopefully, month or two, we get resolution with FTA regarding their financial interest.
[8:50:45] One of they come back with those questions.
[8:50:47] I'm sorry.
[8:50:48] One of they come back with questions.
[8:50:49] I believe they came back to questions last week or it was the week before last.
[8:50:54] But it was within the last two weeks that they requested additional information and we've been corresponding with them.
[8:51:02] So essentially, we just hope that after we answer their questions, we will get a final response.
[8:51:08] But there's also a possibility that they might ask more questions, correct?
[8:51:12] There is.
[8:51:13] We had a very productive meeting with them a few weeks ago.
[8:51:17] And we thought we had answered all of their questions and we're just waiting for their final response.
[8:51:23] when they did come back to us with additional questions.
[8:51:27] So yes, is it possible that they come back to us with additional questions?
[8:51:32] Okay.
[8:51:32] It's at their prerogative.
[8:51:33] I mean, the only thing I would say, I don't remember.
[8:51:34] I think might have been the chair that said it.
[8:51:36] I just we need to be updated.
[8:51:38] Sir, I'm sorry, automatically on this.
[8:51:41] Probably a shorter time period than a longer one.
[8:51:44] You know, because it's it's been going on for a while.
[8:51:46] We're happy to do that.
[8:51:48] I would amend my request of quarterly and or as new information becomes available.
[8:51:53] whichever one is the soonest. I have Commissioner Regalado, Gonzales, and
[8:51:59] Coyotekins. Thank you, and to follow up with what Commissioner
[8:52:03] Rebunas was saying, Mr. Chair, I think that we should make a motion to provide
[8:52:09] air support to the department by tasking our federal lobbyists to make this their
[8:52:15] number one priority. I think that's what we need to do, because God bless them,
[8:52:19] they're calling, and they're doing their thing, but we have a federal lobbying team
[8:52:23] And they could help, so I think every day that we lose on this, we lose an opportunity
[8:52:29] to do something with these buses.
[8:52:32] So I think that we should make this a priority for our federal lobbying team.
[8:52:35] Absolutely.
[8:52:36] And I don't think we need a motion for that.
[8:52:38] I think Jess can just direct our federal lobbying team to engage with transportation and do
[8:52:45] that.
[8:52:45] So just please, that's should definitely should be done for sure in collaboration with our director.
[8:52:53] In terms of the lawsuit, I just have some questions for our attorneys and look, I think the
[8:52:58] disposition from the FDA is important because then we can have the secondary conversation
[8:53:03] as to what we do with those buses.
[8:53:04] Right now, without a termination from the FDA, they're just sitting there and every day they're
[8:53:08] sitting there, we lose the opportunity to monetize them in terms of selling them for parts
[8:53:13] or whatever or fixing them but in terms of the lawsuit is there obviously a lot of
[8:53:20] people are involved we talked about that it's a it's a national issue but have we
[8:53:25] looked at how doing anything with these buses could impact that lawsuit so my
[8:53:33] understanding is that that's not the case these are two very separate things one
[8:53:37] thing is the buses and what the FTA allows us to do and the other thing is
[8:53:41] seeding with the lawsuit correct? Correct. I don't think that whatever actions were taken
[8:53:48] visibly FTA impacts the lawsuit either way. Okay. And in terms of the lawsuit, what are your
[8:53:56] timing predictions for that? How long is there's a lot of people involved? That's always complicated.
[8:54:08] But litigation was only initiated recently and I believe their responses do in the next two
[8:54:15] three weeks we just got service so we're at the front end of the litigation so I couldn't even
[8:54:20] give you a time table because there would be a scheduling order issued by the court and so
[8:54:26] I couldn't I realistically couldn't give you a time table at this time as to when the matter would
[8:54:31] be resolved. Okay. All right and then I agree that we should take some sort of policy decision again
[8:54:38] make different mistakes and while I understand what Commissioner Gilbert is saying as in terms of
[8:54:44] swapping out parts. So I think there's two separate things going on. Number one is how long
[8:54:49] has a technology been out there and it has was it demonstrated somewhere and then two does
[8:54:54] it is the technology one where we could swap out parts.
[8:55:01] Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I'm listening diligently to all of my colleagues. I think it's important that, you know, in acknowledging this report, there's two things that are happening here, right? And so the first one is past mistakes. And I think it's important to put on the record that the protera issue is an issue that affected the entire United States.
[8:55:21] The attorneys are not saying this. I am saying this. It's almost a defraudment that happened upon not only Miami-Dade County,
[8:55:30] but Broward County, many counties all throughout Florida, Texas, Washington, North Carolina, Michigan, Wyoming.
[8:55:37] And so I like the course of action that we've taken with the lawsuit and also with consulting with the federal government to make sure that one
[8:55:44] We're able to recoup some of these funds and able to move forward doing something that works.
[8:55:51] But, too, that we don't make this mistake again.
[8:55:56] And that we go after this company and all of these bad actors with the furthest extent of the law
[8:56:03] and all options available from what I understand.
[8:56:06] The administration is already in that course, and I do appreciate that.
[8:56:12] But now the second thing that we do have to contemplate is, what are we going to do in the future?
[8:56:16] And I think the chairman was already alluding to that. We do need guardrails. I'm currently working on legislation that I'm putting together to try to put some of these guardrails in place so that in the future we don't purchase any of these technologies without understanding what the return on investment is.
[8:56:37] One thing that I did take from the report is that even now and so that the
[8:56:44] partera issue is totally different.
[8:56:47] The flyer fleet issue is something else, right?
[8:56:50] These are buses that are actually working and so these buses I did see that the
[8:56:55] report said that it's too early to determine the new flyer fleet overall return on
[8:57:00] investment and I think that before we continue to go down this route, I'm not saying that
[8:57:05] This is not going to work, but we do need to understand what that return on investment is
[8:57:09] before we purchase more of these electric buses.
[8:57:13] So that's my two cents.
[8:57:14] I am working on legislation to put a pause on this so that we can understand that it does,
[8:57:20] in fact, produce a return on investment before we move forward.
[8:57:27] Thank you, Mr.
[8:57:29] Chair.
[8:57:30] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[8:57:30] And thank you to my colleagues.
[8:57:31] I think you commissioner Gonzalez for working on legislation regarding these guard
[8:57:36] rails that clearly we need, but this was voted in October of 2019, if I'm not mistaken.
[8:57:42] And now we're in 26 to the attorneys or to the administration.
[8:57:46] Has there been any policy implemented by this board since finding out that this
[8:57:50] protera catastrophe took place in, like, has there been any policy speaking to this issue regarding
[8:57:56] new technologies? It's not a question. I'm authentically, to my memory,
[8:58:01] I have not seen any legislation. Do you all know of any legislation that we have advanced?
[8:58:08] Come here.
[8:58:08] I'm not aware of any legislation. The board's advance. What I can tell you is that administration has this issue front of mine.
[8:58:14] And every time a new technology comes to our SBD and whether nomad is evaluating it or any of our department directors.
[8:58:22] We all say this and another criteria is that if it's not proven we're not interested in.
[8:58:27] We take the beaten from the lobbyists who call and ask square out of work.
[8:58:30] We promise there's a way this will work.
[8:58:32] Well, if you can't show us where it works somewhere else, we're not interested.
[8:58:35] But I'm happy to hear that because as our mayor said, I've said many times before,
[8:58:38] it's, you know, we get lobbied obviously frequently as well.
[8:58:42] We are too big of a county to be a guinea pig for any company.
[8:58:45] Yes, we want to implement new technologies, but we can only afford to implement proven technologies.
[8:58:51] And so I know that there are red flag policies in place that Commissioner
[8:58:56] Soza had brought previously. I'm just wondering to commission her Gonzalez if you're working on the legislation. Whether red flag type of warnings in Procurement would be appropriate here.
[8:59:07] Where there is some sort of a disconnect between what the company is proposing and their actual track record and more importantly with the actual spend that's being proposed here.
[8:59:17] So something to consider because I think a red flag during the procurement process would have been helpful.
[8:59:21] And then speaking to the procurement process back in 2019, this was competitively procured, right?
[8:59:28] Presumably there were other companies that bid on this and somehow this company advanced to the top,
[8:59:34] received the recommendation from the administration and passed at the BCC.
[8:59:39] So my question is, have we since finding out about this done an internal look at either their selection committee,
[8:59:46] our internal procurement department. I am perplexed as to how of spend as high as 70 million dollars
[8:59:55] went through a full procurement and we have not looked at ourselves.
[9:00:00] What else to say? What have we done here to allow this much money? How did we get to fraud it? Right? If it happened to another part of the country, how did a county, as large as we are, allow for a defrauding to take place to the tuna $70 million?
[9:00:15] And if the question is, we have not looked at ourselves internally. My ask is a simple one. Please do so. Who were those selection committee members? What was presented to that selection committee?
[9:00:25] How is it that something like this advanced at that time?
[9:00:30] And what's even more concerning is that since 2019 there is no policy in place currently to prevent it from happening again.
[9:00:37] So what is our strategic procurement department doing right now?
[9:00:40] Not just talking points on a microphone or in news interviews and different articles,
[9:00:44] but what are we doing right now to make sure that this doesn't happen again internally?
[9:00:51] So I know that's big and it was a lot but simple question have we looked at ourselves and our internal procurement department
[9:00:56] Those selection committee members and what they did to award this contract then because somebody made a ton of money off of this
[9:01:04] I'm not suggesting us, but there were lobbyists involved somebody made a bag of money and we are left holding the bag
[9:01:12] Have we done an internal investigation of ourselves?
[9:01:15] Commissioner through the chair. I think I was the only person on the day-ass who was here at the time. I do remember very well
[9:01:24] How heavily this was lobbied. I do remember
[9:01:29] difficulties in making a decision and I think it's very fair to say we should look
[9:01:37] We should look back at the tapes and and the records to just see exactly what happened, but let's be clear
[9:01:43] we have a very active lobby core. Obviously they represent clients and they come to us with
[9:01:51] choices. And I take great pride, I have to tell you, in our strategic procurement director, who I appointed.
[9:02:05] Yes, I see other crimes. I also separated the procurement department. It used to be part of ISD.
[9:02:11] I wanted those decisions to go more directly to my office.
[9:02:16] I did not, because there were decisions that were made that were buried inside internal services.
[9:02:20] I wanted them to be more directly reporting to the mayor.
[9:02:23] I think you see the work of nomadopal in her team.
[9:02:27] They are very thorough.
[9:02:28] Changes have been made.
[9:02:30] The chairman has just put forward first reading items that come out of the strip.
[9:02:34] We spent our teams spent a lot of time with that body, provided a lot of recommendations.
[9:02:43] Many of the things that were adopted by that group were things that were already changes that had been made by our procurement department.
[9:02:51] Our procurement department has won national awards, I don't just mean NATO, I mean national awards.
[9:02:56] So, I think we're really progressing well and through the work of strip, some of the bureaucratic delays and things like that have been addressed as well as selection committee issues.
[9:03:07] So, more to be discussed, but I do think it'd be worthwhile to go back and look at that particular procurement and see exactly how we went down that path.
[9:03:16] Yeah, thank you for staying at and I know that improvements have been made since and I look forward to the strip committee items as they move through the legislative process.
[9:03:26] I will do that. I will look into that also because I just can't understand how something this large got as far as it did leaving us in this position.
[9:03:36] And so I look forward to working with you on that metomer.
[9:03:38] Thank you for answering the questions.
[9:03:40] All right.
[9:03:41] Commissioner Orbissie Reckonis.
[9:03:43] I have a quick question.
[9:03:45] I know that.
[9:03:46] So when a car breaks down, we have a mechanic.
[9:03:49] Great.
[9:03:49] So when these buses break down, do we have a technician that works on them?
[9:03:52] Or do we just report them broken?
[9:03:54] And we have to wait for someone to come in, like a specialist, to come and maintain them.
[9:03:58] Commissioner, the challenge with the buses that have rendered them inoperable is it's a,
[9:04:02] they have software issues that the special last proprietary software that
[9:04:05] one has access to, and we don't have it, and there's no one to provide that to us, which renders
[9:04:11] them inoperable.
[9:04:12] We have lots of software issues, and even the buses that we have, all of the buses, aren't
[9:04:17] the exact same.
[9:04:18] There's actually at least two different types of program in them, so one bus can break and
[9:04:24] parts aren't even interchangeable in that same group of buses, so it is just a complete
[9:04:30] terrible situation that we don't have the service available.
[9:04:33] we don't have the software and the technicians and it's not offered by anybody.
[9:04:37] Okay, so bus breaks down. It just gets hauled and stored away and it's well, in general, of course,
[9:04:42] we have a maintenance department. The new flyer buses are being repaired as needed by our mechanics.
[9:04:50] These particular buses were being repaired initially, but as across the country, these buses were
[9:04:56] failing it overwhelmed the company.
[9:04:59] Nameda is referring to.
[9:05:00] Reminding me that their CEO passed away suddenly in 2021 and was just 44. So obviously, the company had a major challenge from that, and there was a lot of customization of the buses. They were over there. They were beyond their capabilities, basically. So we did get repair during the time that they were still in business. When there was a successor company, we did get some help with the repairs, but eventually they were not able to perform in that is why we filed the lawsuit.
[9:05:30] So do we have someone in house that can repair these currently?
[9:05:32] These particular, of these.
[9:05:34] Or the old buses and the new ones, or do we need to, every time it breaks down, do we need to bring in someone from their company to repair it?
[9:05:43] So through the chair, the, uh, the protera buses and I only really want to speak to them.
[9:05:48] Obviously, all of our other buses, we have maintenance staff who are, well, well, prepared to deal with our other parts of our fleet.
[9:05:58] and our new flyer fleet, which are under warranty,
[9:06:01] are being serviced as needed.
[9:06:03] So in the instance of our pro-terrorist fleet,
[9:06:06] there were certain components that started breaking down
[9:06:09] that were under warranty.
[9:06:11] Parts of those were not things we could readily repair.
[9:06:14] The batteries were not things that we had
[9:06:17] the opportunity to repair,
[9:06:19] and there were gears that needed to be replaced
[9:06:22] and re-manufactured those aren't things
[9:06:25] that we could prepare.
[9:06:26] But we're perics, excuse me, so with the part of the fleet that is still functioning, we are actually ourselves repairing the buses and making sure that the small number that do function, that we keep them in use.
[9:06:42] We are pulling other items from other buses that aren't functioning to make sure that we keep a few buses running.
[9:06:48] But the main components of the buses that were failing were not things we could repair they had that physically be replaced
[9:06:56] Got it and do we have the expertise to to do those repairs the ones that we are doing we are we aren't repairing them ourselves
[9:07:04] Okay
[9:07:05] All right, thank you. Thank you. See you soon. All right
[9:07:08] So
[9:07:09] That's that we're going to get the reports either quarterly or more often as soon as it becomes available and
[9:07:15] And we're going to establish some parameters in guardrails to protect this from recurring.
[9:07:21] All right, with that, our next discussion item is 6B1.
[9:07:25] Commissioner Lopez, you are the prime sponsor of this item.
[9:07:29] Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for placing this discussion item on the agenda.
[9:07:33] A number of advocacy groups have asked me about the implications of Senate Bill 1134,
[9:07:38] which is affectionately known as the DEI bill on the impacts on the county.
[9:07:43] It doesn't take it into effect until January 1st of 2027, but that falls within the fiscal year of our 2026-27 budget that we're currently reviewing and will take up in September during the first and second budget hearings.
[9:07:58] Those same advocacy groups have expressed concerns about the impacts and have expressed a desire for the county to challenge or to seek further clarification of Senate Bill 1134.
[9:08:09] can tell you that it's incredibly vague, and the consequences of being accused of being either
[9:08:17] misfeasants or malfeasants in removal of office or being sued by any resident,
[9:08:22] a Miami-Dade County causes me lots of concern, especially if you think we might over-correct
[9:08:29] or under-correct, given the vagueness of the bill. I know our county attorney's office has
[9:08:34] a considerable amount of time on this issue. And because of the nature of the bill and the
[9:08:40] possibility of legal action, it's best that we all limit our discussions regarding Senate
[9:08:47] bill 1134, those discussions in public for that reason. If you have any questions, such as,
[9:08:53] I've been working with the County Attorney's Office for months now since the bill was signed
[9:08:56] by the governor. I recommend all of you to follow up with the County Attorney, but I would
[9:09:01] ask that you all consider a motion to direct the county attorney to research the county's
[9:09:08] ability.
[9:09:09] If you all could quiet down in the back, please.
[9:09:16] Thank you.
[9:09:17] Thank you.
[9:09:18] I would just move to direct the county attorney's office to research the county's ability to
[9:09:22] challenge the validity of Senate Bill 1134 or alternatively ask a court to clarify how it
[9:09:29] applies to the county and then brief each commissioner individually regarding the results
[9:09:33] of their research.
[9:09:34] I continue to feel very uncomfortable about the law.
[9:09:39] I've read it so many times as has the county attorney's office, and it continues to give
[9:09:44] me lots of reasons to be concerned, especially since the law is specific on promoting
[9:09:51] it directly or indirectly, any activity or program that may fall within this law, and that
[9:09:57] goes for not only us but our staff.
[9:10:00] So I think it's important that we get some clarification and often times the only way to do so is to go to the courts.
[9:10:10] Commissioner Gilbert, you recognize?
[9:10:13] I agree that we need to find a way to challenge it. I'm trying to figure out the best ways. I guess I have some conversations with the, I need to have some questions about what we do here.
[9:10:22] Are we asking for a declarative, I mean, what are you, are you asking us to see?
[9:10:27] to have the county attorneys explore the options of declaratory judgment or a challenge of sorts.
[9:10:37] Through the chair to the attorney,
[9:10:43] is that a viable path there? I mean, I have some ways
[9:10:46] that I think we might want to look at this,
[9:10:51] but. Commissioner, we have been reviewing this for quite
[9:10:54] some time and we do think that there may be some challenges with that approach. We will continue to look
[9:11:01] if that's the directive of this board, and see what options are available, our, you know,
[9:11:08] preference would be to do that and to brief each of you individually, so you can understand
[9:11:15] the issues, not just of any potential challenges to the validity or even seeking clarification,
[9:11:22] but also we'd like to brief you just on the impact of this legislation on the county's
[9:11:26] operations in a day-to-day matter. It's our intention to try to reach out and do that with each of
[9:11:31] individually and August before the budget hearings are possible.
[9:11:36] So, okay, through Chairman McIntyne,
[9:11:44] so how this works with regards to community groups
[9:11:49] is that
[9:11:52] we won't be able to fund some people because of what their name is or what they do.
[9:11:59] The population is served. That group will then be adversely affected.
[9:12:08] The reason why we won't be
[9:12:09] to do that is because of the state law.
[9:12:15] They should sue us.
[9:12:21] I think that that's probably
[9:12:25] and we, that's the state. No. No, I'm saying that the group should sue us. The state
[9:12:32] would then have to intervene to defend their statute.
[9:12:39] If they didn't intervene to defend
[9:12:41] their statute, then we just settle. But it's not, it's not. It's not the record of
[9:12:45] want anybody to sue us. Let's walk this back just a minute, because this is not
[9:12:50] our doing here. So I got you, I was trying to make second.
[9:12:55] So I, obviously, is a
[9:12:57] discussion item that was requested by Commissioner Lopez. She said her piece. I just
[9:13:01] be mindful that this may go into litigation at some point. So be mindful of that. I
[9:13:08] think it's important for you also listen to what Jerry just very delicately and eloquently
[9:13:14] said, which is it is her intent to meet with each and every one of us, prior to the budget
[9:13:22] hearing or whatnot, and over the next month, and brief us individually as to what resources
[9:13:28] we have, because I think you're right. I think for us to do some sort of essentially
[9:13:35] also to the state of any capacity is is not risky but challenging for sure.
[9:13:43] It's a gentleman and what I was going on is I don't know that we have standing so that's
[9:13:47] the challenge I don't think we have standing so the how we get before court is somebody challenging
[9:13:52] us yeah somebody challenging us so I think that's how we get before the court.
[9:13:57] All right nice chair thank you Mr. Chairman and I think it was Dr. King who said that
[9:14:06] and unjust law is no law at all, and this is one of the most ridiculous pieces of legislation that could have easily passed the legislature.
[9:14:21] I think there should be a lawsuit against Miami-D. County.
[9:14:26] I think every group out there that's going to be impacted should actually come together,
[9:14:31] hired themselves one of the greatest attorneys here in Miami-D. County to represent them,
[9:14:34] to find himself a great firm, and sue the county, and force the state to intervene similar
[9:14:40] to what Commissioner Geber stated.
[9:14:43] But I also want to understand that doing so is going to call us some unease, and I'm prepared
[9:14:50] for it.
[9:14:51] The fact that a matter is, there are going to be so many organizations out there who we are
[9:14:57] responsible and part for.
[9:15:00] Showing that they have a voice in this community, that once this law takes effect, and we violate, there's possibilities that some of us can be removed from office, because of the teas that this piece of legislation has.
[9:15:16] So I simply say to the voters out there if you're listening, if you feel like you're going to be impacted, if you feel like you need some assistance.
[9:15:22] I think you should find yourself in a attorney, make sure that you're prepared to go to
[9:15:27] Long Hall and sue the county and force the state to intervene.
[9:15:31] All right.
[9:15:31] So I might end up cutting this short.
[9:15:34] I think it is entirely negligent for any of us up here to encourage a lawsuit against myself.
[9:15:43] Because I am a taxpayer of this county and that will be me paying for that lawsuit.
[9:15:48] Anyone else that's a property owner paying property taxes?
[9:15:51] So, Commissioner Gilbert, respectfully, and Vice Chair, respectfully, I think it is entirely negligent to encourage anyone to sue this county, whether it is a philosophical, ideological, personal, or not, whatever it is, you just, I think it's completely, Senator Garcia, you're not one to quit.
[9:16:14] I mean, you are not one to correct, I mean, not everyone up here.
[9:16:21] That was not, I'm not going to say what the word is, but I just, look, I think as I continue
[9:16:27] recognizing the rest of you, be mindful that we are not encouraging anyone to sue themselves
[9:16:33] if they're property owners, because this is, I mean, it's just completely negligent to say
[9:16:38] that I understand the sentiment behind it.
[9:16:41] I understand that that might be a recourse for us
[9:16:44] to then turn around and get the state to intervene.
[9:16:47] We are not encouraging that to be the case at all.
[9:16:50] That is not a policy of this board.
[9:16:52] That is not where we are going with this.
[9:16:58] But Commissioner Regalado, you recognize.
[9:17:01] Thank you.
[9:17:02] Commissioner Lopez, I appreciate that there's a lot
[9:17:05] organizations that want a declaratory judgment, we would not have standing or an injury.
[9:17:15] We just wouldn't, because there's a million reasons why we would not put someone in a
[9:17:21] budget.
[9:17:23] How would you prove that it is because of this?
[9:17:26] So it's a very complex thing to throw us in the mix.
[9:17:31] I think organizations that receive government funding should challenge this law and request a
[9:17:40] declaratory judgment or our clarification.
[9:17:45] I think that is the most viable path forward to use us as a way to not pay an attorney
[9:17:55] by using our attorneys as a whole other different thing.
[9:17:58] But we would be kicked out because of standing in because of an injury.
[9:18:02] Now, if we were to fund and then we were removed, that would be a different conversation,
[9:18:09] right?
[9:18:10] But to date, we have not even established how we are going to interpret this statute.
[9:18:18] So I agree with you.
[9:18:19] We've all read it.
[9:18:20] And we have a million questions.
[9:18:21] It was poorly drafted, respectfully, for those of you who were part of legislature, one of the
[9:18:28] for drafting, it seems to be the norm.
[9:18:33] So not the exception, but that being said,
[9:18:36] it needs to bear itself out,
[9:18:39] and there are a lot of impacted organizations
[9:18:42] that should ask for clarification.
[9:18:45] We are not the best suited to do that.
[9:18:48] Currently, we have to evaluate it,
[9:18:52] take a position based on our risk,
[9:18:55] and move forward on our budget.
[9:18:56] But even then it's going to be very difficult to prove causation and our injury and our standing are very different from their injury and their standing.
[9:19:09] So I appreciate that we want to help, but for us it's a very very different situation than for those that are impacted.
[9:19:19] Thank you, Mr. Chair, to kind of echo the concerns. Please, please don't to us. I don't
[9:19:27] know if you saw our county attorney's face when that messaging was being advanced. Please,
[9:19:32] please to be clear, don't sue us. But I think the message is one that we need to seriously
[9:19:39] consider. We are the largest county in the state of Florida. We are a donor county and more
[9:19:44] importantly, we are a majority minority county and so it is not, it is right for our residents to look to us for leadership on this issue and they're saying help us because this is going to affect us come January.
[9:20:00] So, I look forward to the conversations that we're going to have. Jerry, I am wondering, because it is a discussion item. I'm not so much interested in speaking of the litigation, because I want to quail and reduce it, not increase it. I don't think that's the path forward for a number of reasons. But why can't we, as a board, through either our home rule charter powers, our own policy-making decisions, as a body, create something that allows us to maneuver around this the way that we have in so many other areas.
[9:20:29] So, they passed a poorly worded statute that we can craft our own ways around potentially
[9:20:36] or can we add something to our humble charter?
[9:20:40] That speaks to this.
[9:20:40] I believe today is the deadline to get it on the ballot.
[9:20:43] Come November.
[9:20:44] Is there something that we can write into our humble charter that speaks to this issue?
[9:20:49] And if the answer is no, I accept that as well, but I think that when the state passes
[9:20:54] a lot that we are forced to comply with, that we don't agree with, that has consequences
[9:20:59] in it as great as being removed from office, that we need to get very creative as the largest,
[9:21:06] most powerful, most diverse county in my immediate, in the state, excuse me, keeps saying
[9:21:11] my mandate. In this state, to put our heads together to see how we essentially can't protect
[9:21:16] our community, because that's essentially what our communities asking us to do here,
[9:21:19] because there's so many that rely on those dollars. So that's a question to the attorneys.
[9:21:24] I don't know that you have those answers crafted for us as we sit here today, but I have to believe
[9:21:28] that there is something that we can use via the power of our pen to craft something to help
[9:21:35] serve our majority minority massive county of Miami, and if you answer and say actually the
[9:21:42] answer is no, then I'll accept that as well and go back to the drawing board, but I want to
[9:21:47] be clear that I don't support encouraging anybody community groups and individuals to sue us on
[9:21:52] this. Our resources are already extremely thin in our litigation in our county attorney's office.
[9:21:57] we do not want you to sue us, but equally, we are looking at this, we are trying to figure this out,
[9:22:04] we are trying to advocate and represent our very diverse community. We haven't figured out a path forward yet,
[9:22:09] but I believe that we're going to be working with you all very closely to achieve that.
[9:22:13] So is there an opportunity at all? And you may say yes, generally, or you may say,
[9:22:18] know, to either pen something that, in any way, allows us to, you know, to circumvent this.
[9:22:26] If the answer is no preemption is preemption, is there anything we can put into our charter
[9:22:30] potentially anything outside of litigation that you all have considered that you might be able
[9:22:35] to advise us even if it's generally and will have specific conversations come September or
[9:22:40] August.
[9:22:41] Commissioner, we do not believe that the charter is a vehicle for amending, you know, or preempting
[9:22:47] law. At this point in time, however we do understand the impact that this will have on the county's
[9:22:55] operations going forward, both from the promotion standpoint as well as the funding standpoint
[9:23:00] and on the community. And we have been meeting, I would say, at least three times weekly,
[9:23:07] some days, three times daily because the breadth of this statute is expansive. And it will touch many
[9:23:15] areas of this county and the way we operate and ways that people maybe have not even considered
[9:23:21] as of yet.
[9:23:22] And I just want to pledge to you that we've taken it seriously and we understand what this
[9:23:27] means to the community and we will stand ready to speak with each of you about any options
[9:23:33] that you will have going forward, hopefully before the budget hearing and September.
[9:23:38] And final question.
[9:23:39] And you mentioned the budget hearing comes September because what we adopt in September I understand
[9:23:43] that this law does not take effect until January 1st,
[9:23:47] but we're gonna pass a budget in September
[9:23:49] that may or may not include dollars that
[9:23:53] may be an eligible cum January potentially.
[9:23:57] So anyway, a lot of questions I look forward to working with you,
[9:24:01] but I just wanted to make clear that I share the sentiment
[9:24:03] that I feel like we have a moral
[9:24:06] and potentially a legal obligation to stand up as a county
[9:24:10] on this issue and make our voices
[9:24:12] as heard as possible in our lack of support.
[9:24:15] Thank you so much, Mr. Chair.
[9:24:17] Thank you, Commissioner.
[9:24:17] And I will say that you actually hit the nail on the head
[9:24:21] on a point there, which is, and I was waiting
[9:24:24] to let everyone speak without, I'll say it,
[9:24:26] because it was a good segue.
[9:24:28] So in addition, of course, to the countless conversations
[9:24:32] with the County Attorney's Office on this topic,
[9:24:34] that my office of myself has had the mayor and myself,
[9:24:38] and that's had several conversations.
[9:24:40] we've actually rolled up our sleeves and I think this is a good moment to allow and to say
[9:24:45] to the community that we are not just taking what the state passed in the governor signed and
[9:24:54] blindly implementing it. We are rolling up our sleeves and we are seeing where
[9:25:00] Being deeper and seeing what other services these organizations offer, who they help in our community, what larger groups that are not just one minority group.
[9:25:09] We're not trying to circumvent the law, we're not trying to find a loophole, but we are trying to dig deeper and see what broader service do these organizations help fund and support in the entire community, not just in a minority portion of it, in order to make sure that we can maintain some of these services.
[9:25:28] the mayor has been an advocate of that since this was even a discussion prior to it being
[9:25:33] signed by the governor and again we've had several conversations where we've actually discussed
[9:25:38] this so again it is not something that we're just blindly implementing something that the state
[9:25:45] past we're we're exploring all options obviously jointly with the county attorney's office we want
[9:25:52] make sure that we run no files here and we are in this particular case and some may disagree
[9:26:00] with this one word but we need to be conservative because they are personal repercussions
[9:26:07] that the state can take on this body including a believe removal is one of them right so
[9:26:17] We're making sure we run no files, but that we, we definitely,
[9:26:21] diligently explore all options on this, guys, I've got you already
[9:26:27] down. We're not changing subjects until you all go, you know,
[9:26:29] it's not like we're not in kindergarten, you know, I got you all.
[9:26:33] But if mayor, if you want to kind of address that because it was a
[9:26:36] segue to what we've been working on.
[9:26:38] Thank you so much, Mr. Chair, and I completely agree with how you've
[9:26:41] characterized it. And we've been looking out at other counties,
[9:26:44] other cities, other commissions, other organizations, and what actions they're taking, a lot of
[9:26:51] people obviously trying to figure out how to proceed. I will, during our budget briefings, share
[9:26:58] some ideas that I have not only for a non-profits, but for our own internal operations, ways that we
[9:27:03] can ensure that community voices can still be heard. Thank you, Mr. Chair. All right, so I've got
[9:27:10] Commissioner from District 4, Commissioner.
[9:27:15] When I, okay, this is, this is like a recurring issue.
[9:27:18] I don't, but you don't look to another commissioner.
[9:27:19] I don't think you're not, like, until you, or you lose your stuff.
[9:27:22] All right, so.
[9:27:23] All right.
[9:27:24] I want us to just take a moment.
[9:27:26] If you look around the room, look around the status.
[9:27:30] This bill affects every, in some form,
[9:27:34] in some capacity affects every one of us, okay?
[9:27:38] So this is such an expansive bill.
[9:27:40] So you may think, oh, it's some, you know, Bill that won't affect me, but it does, but it does,
[9:27:47] because it affects every one of us up here to some degree.
[9:27:49] That's how broadly this bill is written.
[9:27:52] And so to that, I want to first of all, thank you, Commissioner Lopez, for bringing this forward.
[9:27:57] I think it's important that we have this conversation, and of course, mindful of the conversation,
[9:28:01] because we do have our attorneys over there.
[9:28:04] And we do want to make sure that we put ourselves in the best posture possible.
[9:28:09] So, so I just want clarity in exactly what you'd like us to try to resolve today or give direction with, but I will say this.
[9:28:18] We do need to be careful.
[9:28:19] I mean, we could look at this through many different lenses, and I, for one, obviously, because there's so much ambiguity, I would take advantage of that ambiguity personally.
[9:28:30] But as they look at me, but I do think that, you know, to have the attorneys explore and come back to us and individually, I think is the smart first step.
[9:28:44] That way we get as much clarity and we can have these conversations because if we do end up in any sort of situation in the future, I want to make sure that we, again, put ourselves in the best posture forward.
[9:28:55] So, Chairman, I do think, you know, if that was a motion, I'll just rephrase it.
[9:29:01] I'm happy to second that motion.
[9:29:03] Okay, so is that the motion?
[9:29:05] It was.
[9:29:06] It was, I will rephrase it to direct the county attorney to research.
[9:29:11] The county's ability to challenge the validity of Senate Bill 1134, or alternatively,
[9:29:16] ask a court to clarify how it applies to the county, and then brief each commissioner
[9:29:20] individually regarding the results of their research.
[9:29:23] So, I just have the memory.
[9:29:25] May I?
[9:29:26] It's or, though.
[9:29:26] It doesn't mean it's not directing them to do it.
[9:29:29] It's either or.
[9:29:31] I just want them to research it and then get back to us individually to let us know what our options are.
[9:29:36] Yeah, because let me tell my one concern about going with the route of just going straight to the courts is that
[9:29:42] Well, I don't know legally what we can and can't do in terms of standing, but that's for them to figure out.
[9:29:47] But, you know, I don't want to have them determine for us.
[9:29:50] like I'd rather us create our positions,
[9:29:53] what if there are like they're looking at other municipalities
[9:29:55] and other counties that are also being affected
[9:29:57] of this up and down the coast, right?
[9:30:00] This wonderful state. So what's going to happen is some may have a more liberal interpretation. And I don't want to then hurt those municipalities or counties, because now we're seeking some sort of rendering from a court that may look at it through a more as the term was used conservative lens. And we may now hurt maybe some other municipality in the state.
[9:30:27] So I don't know. So I like the idea of supporting the direction to explore. I need to know more about it before.
[9:30:35] So maybe you can restate that to say, okay, then I'll restate it to explore the options available to us,
[9:30:42] of the impacts of Senate Bill 1134 and get back to us individually.
[9:30:48] Yes, with options, including all options. All options. I would say all options.
[9:30:53] I think all options should be on the table. All right. We got a motion. We got a second
[9:30:56] by Commissioner Steinberg, and Commissioner Gilbert, you're still recognized.
[9:31:02] I stripped you from the recognition, because you were talking about lawsuit with
[9:31:04] and stuff.
[9:31:05] Yeah.
[9:31:05] Back on it.
[9:31:06] But it was a comma and you assumed it was a period and it was like went on and it
[9:31:10] was a thing.
[9:31:12] Okay.
[9:31:14] So, no, I don't want people to come after us for money, but if we created an application
[9:31:20] process for, I don't know, our, you know,
[9:31:26] community-based organization funds money that we give out and for instance some of the groups that are
[9:31:31] affected they apply but we don't accept their application because we can't under the new law
[9:31:36] then they get to seek the claretory judgment against us. That's how you get to court faster.
[9:31:45] That's just how you get to court faster. I appreciate the swimming. We can't. It's going to be
[9:31:52] for us to sue you all. So, if you want to get to court before January,
[9:32:00] I think that's,
[9:32:01] and we need, we need somebody to tell us how to interpret this, because to your credit
[9:32:07] Mr. Chairman, there's, there's peril here for elected officials and for public officials who
[9:32:12] actually go against the statute. So it's dangerous. I think we create a process because they won't
[9:32:23] be able to receive funds under that process because of the statute, they look at it.
[9:32:30] I mean, now the other route, I don't know if this is possible, we could also just give
[9:32:37] all of our money for these type of events to the mind-me foundation and let them administer
[9:32:43] it.
[9:32:44] Well, I think it goes further than just CBOs though, I think it's departments, it's a lot
[9:32:48] more than just.
[9:32:48] Well, it's everything, but we could start by doing something like that and see if it's legal.
[9:32:54] You never know. I mean, we could try doing something like that.
[9:32:58] Commissioner, I think, but those, those are options, but I'm not advocating that they sue us for money.
[9:33:03] I'm advocating that we need to actually get in front of a judge. And that's probably the quickest way for a judge to tell us whether this law is binding or not.
[9:33:13] I've got that.
[9:33:14] Commissioner from District 12.
[9:33:16] I'll be brief.
[9:33:17] I think it's the way for the attorneys.
[9:33:19] I'm fine with the motion because we need to get their opinion.
[9:33:21] But I just want to remind this August body that during the double taxation, cripple
[9:33:27] taxation days of mitigation, and some of you were here, King George, you know, who he
[9:33:33] was, and the commission, there was a bill passed in Tallahassee by partisan, signed by
[9:33:41] Charlie Christ eliminating mitigation, not making it up.
[9:33:46] One county issue, because that was an issue we had to get around, and the county sued.
[9:33:51] The county sued over that state law.
[9:33:54] Eventually, we reached an agreement, King George and I, and mitigation was given up by the
[9:34:02] county, because legally this was a state law, but the county went into the courts.
[9:34:09] First, lost at the beginning because it was in Tallahassee, and then brought it down to a local judge here in Miami-Dade County who had once been a county attorney.
[9:34:18] So, while I'm telling you, I'm not, because I agree with our chairman, that these are different times, these are different worlds, and I do think that we have to be very smart in the way we deal with the reality of what's happening from Tallahassee.
[9:34:35] but the fact that if the county has an opinion on a certain law that may impact the county,
[9:34:44] they're the excuse that that's not one of them, and I'll be the best option, may not be the one
[9:34:49] we want to take them, and I'll be the one you guys recommend, but in the past, you did to over a state law.
[9:34:58] That was past.
[9:35:00] That supported municipalities because I was the one that had to fit the other side and fight you. So, I can tell you that's not impossible.
[9:35:08] Now, whether that will place you in the same position as an organization that may be impacted directly, that we can debate.
[9:35:16] But when you look at these cases, I'm going to ask you, then why the hell did you see me back in 2006?
[9:35:25] because, truthfully, that was a state law that was passed by partisan signed by the governor.
[9:35:33] For one last.
[9:35:34] All right. Vice Chairman, what's a call?
[9:35:36] Thank you.
[9:35:38] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[9:35:39] And what I'm about to say is probably not going to be popular.
[9:35:41] And I don't want to expect to be the popular kid on the day is.
[9:35:46] But I am putting the county attorneys office on notice.
[9:35:51] You're also putting the state on notice.
[9:35:55] I'm putting everybody on notice.
[9:35:56] As a personal person, not as a commissioner.
[9:35:59] This body.
[9:36:01] If removal is what is going to take to stop me from urging the folk of Miami D. County, especially those of my district, who are going to be affected.
[9:36:11] If removal is the option of the state of the governor, then removal is going to have to be.
[9:36:18] I intend to encourage my residents and those who are support to break this law.
[9:36:26] I intend, come on please, please, I intend if possible to fund organizations that support
[9:36:36] up with in this community.
[9:36:39] And if that is making some people uncomfortable, well I believe those in Tallahassee should
[9:36:45] thought it through because now they're making us feel uncomfortable and I am not going back to my
[9:36:51] district facing the people who put me in office to represent their voice in their position and
[9:36:57] tell them that they are representative chose to hold on to a seat as opposed to fighting for their
[9:37:04] position. So I'm just putting everyone on notice I intend to encourage a different result from many up here
[9:37:13] But I'm not going to back now on this one, this is the one where we put the flag into the ground
[9:37:18] All right, we got a motion. We got a second on favor signify by say aye
[9:37:25] All right all opposed knee shut past
[9:37:30] Madam attorney or Mr. Attorney. There's a motion that I have and then we're gonna go around the room for motions
[9:37:36] But you start with mind,
[9:37:43] please
[9:37:43] I have two or three. What would I make it to Naranja? What's the plan?
[9:37:47] Commissioner Rodriguez, Mr. Point Commissioner Vicki Lopez to the Miami River Commission.
[9:37:53] All right. Commissioner Gonzalez moves that item for me.
[9:37:58] Seconded by Commissioner Regalado on favor signify by say aye.
[9:38:03] All opposed names. Show it past. Next one.
[9:38:06] Chairman Rodriguez moves to amend the 2026 calendar of the Board of County Commissioners to cancel the
[9:38:13] meeting. This is this Thursday's meeting. We've got only about like three items. We'll be
[9:38:19] just sending it to the very next zoning CDMP meeting. It's been moved by Commissioner
[9:38:24] Gonzalez, second by the Vice Chair. All the favour, signify by say aye.
[9:38:30] All opposed nay. Show that meeting cancelled in the motion pass. Commissioner is that
[9:38:36] offer me? That's all I have for you, Mr. Chairman. Commissioner of Vermuters, you recognize
[9:38:40] for motion. Motion's our appointments. Yeah, I have three motions. You guys going to read one of them?
[9:38:48] I have two for you commissioner for me. And I'll lie that third one. Go ahead.
[9:38:52] Would you like me to go ahead and read the motion? Yeah, read the half. Okay.
[9:38:56] Commissioner for you, Mayor does moves to direct the county mayor. Mayor says you need to include the
[9:38:59] county commissioner district 12 of the membership of the new airport policy and institutional advisory committee
[9:39:04] reference in the mayor's June 30th, 2026 member random regarding the feasibility of creating a new
[9:39:09] careport capable of accommodating cargo, commercial passengers, and general aviation activities.
[9:39:14] My logic for this is that 90% of the county's commercial and 100% of its other activities,
[9:39:22] but at 90% of the commercial probably is coming out of the airport to not have district
[9:39:26] 12 on there when all the businesses are in the area are directly impacted by the airport.
[9:39:35] Obviously, I think district 12 should be included because there's a lot of them.
[9:39:39] I'm a saw the business in district 12. Good number of them are part of connected to the airport.
[9:39:45] So you got the motion. Yeah, it's my motion. It's just to be included in that what's it called again?
[9:39:50] Membership with a new airport policy and institutional advisory committee.
[9:39:54] All right. So wait. I miss it because I was being spoken to.
[9:39:57] So what is it that you want to do? I'm sorry.
[9:39:58] The airport.
[9:40:00] New airport policy in an institutional advisory committee, which is reference in the mayor's June 30, 20, 26 memorandum, which regards the feasibility of creating a new airport capable of accommodating cargo, commercial passengers, and general aviation activities, the district that is most impacted by the airport with all due respect to district 6, which is also in fact this district 12, and I think that we should have a position on that board or whatever it is.
[9:40:26] This is which board is this though when I create the CARES Act there's this other one no
[9:40:31] The new airport policy and institutional advisory committee
[9:40:36] Yeah, the mayor's that one's no longer exit that one she dismantled
[9:40:41] Nope, not just man. Oh
[9:40:44] Got it. Okay, all right, that's fine. Yes, that's okay. So it's been moved. It's been seconded by the vice chair
[9:40:50] I'd like to piggyback on that and get an appointment as well
[9:40:54] Okay, I think that you you are
[9:40:56] I think you are on it, okay.
[9:40:59] Is this, is this too, wait, is this?
[9:41:01] Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
[9:41:02] Because I was being asked about
[9:41:05] niranger meetings and stuff in the back end.
[9:41:08] All right, hold on.
[9:41:09] This is, no more item, right?
[9:41:11] No multi-tasking after 5 p.m.
[9:41:12] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[9:41:13] This is where the motions get interesting.
[9:41:15] All right, what's in the committee that?
[9:41:17] So this is my directive to create, was this my thing to create?
[9:41:22] Yeah, there was a mayors, but it was based on my directive to explore different airport matters, right?
[9:41:31] Okay, yes, all right, so and then right now the way it stands the way that we did this is that each member that has an airport has a seat on it
[9:41:39] Is that how it what's the current structure today versus what vermita's just trying to add to it?
[9:41:45] Yeah, I believe it does have Tamiyami, if I'm correct it did not have 12. I don't know if six was on there
[9:41:53] The six may be on there, but the business is in district 12 are deeply impacted by this
[9:42:05] Okay, let's
[9:42:06] Nothing has been done this very second can we table that motion until until until it comes up
[9:42:12] Like the next meeting or something. Let me because I think we still need to discuss with the mayor some details on it
[9:42:17] Let's just
[9:42:18] it doesn't matter, everyone could have an input, it's not that. I don't want to happen
[9:42:25] what Gonzales just did, which he's already on it. He didn't even know he's already
[9:42:28] on it. But I don't want to just, oh, I want it. I want it. It can't become like the
[9:42:32] well, well, West here. So let's, I'm going to make it easy for you. And that's fine.
[9:42:37] I'm willing to wait because I respect to you. But right now, Commission District 789 and
[9:42:42] 11 are on there. Yes. I argue it would be that six and 12 should be on there
[9:42:45] because that big airport, Miami National Airport,
[9:42:48] impacts these two committees.
[9:42:50] Yeah, I agree that six and 12 should be on there.
[9:42:53] I'll share it through the chair.
[9:42:54] I just need, yes, Madam Mayor.
[9:42:57] I'm very happy to accommodate representation
[9:42:58] from District 12.
[9:43:00] Yeah, and six at that point.
[9:43:01] And six.
[9:43:03] Because six is the positive.
[9:43:04] Yes, sure.
[9:43:05] Six and 12.
[9:43:06] The airport's in District 6.
[9:43:07] Six and 12.
[9:43:08] Indeed.
[9:43:09] So, all right, I didn't hear that.
[9:43:10] Okay, so I'm good with that too.
[9:43:11] Let's bring it back.
[9:43:13] Let's just do it so that we can kind of see
[9:43:14] What the right structures, but yes, it's not a big deal, it should be fine.
[9:43:18] All right, you have more though.
[9:43:20] All right.
[9:43:20] What's the next one you want to read the other?
[9:43:21] Commissioner Brimier, this news to authorize and direct the County Mayor, County
[9:43:24] Mayor's designate to enter into a grant agreement with NBC Universal or its subsidiary
[9:43:28] or affiliate to provide a grant of $1.1 million, $20,000, and legally available, General
[9:43:35] Funds, originally allocated for film incentives for the production of Miami Vice 85, provided
[9:43:40] the production complies with the terms of the grant agreement and further moves to authorize
[9:43:44] the county mayor does a need to execute the grant agreement and exercise the provisions
[9:43:48] they're in following approval by the county attorney's office for form and legal
[9:43:52] sufficiency.
[9:43:54] This is Miami Vice movie, okay, don't everybody get excited and Delimundo and B.C.
[9:44:02] Obviously would bring production.
[9:44:03] I think it's 37 days, hundreds of thousands of dollars.
[9:44:08] The impact would be over $35 million of stuff to Miami-Dade County.
[9:44:15] We're second up.
[9:44:16] Mr. Chairman.
[9:44:17] It's a chair moved by Commission of Remutas.
[9:44:18] Wait, wait.
[9:44:19] If I may.
[9:44:20] Our occasion.
[9:44:21] Commission.
[9:44:22] Okay, so it's been moved.
[9:44:23] It's been seconded.
[9:44:24] Senator Garcia.
[9:44:26] If you're asking to have a part in the movie.
[9:44:30] That's.
[9:44:31] We're going to have to discuss that, Senator.
[9:44:32] It may be a part of the movie when I kill someone after that.
[9:44:38] You are the filmmaker, though. You are the film guy.
[9:44:42] And this is what happens when people don't have lunch.
[9:44:46] I'm starving. I'm starving here. I'm starving here.
[9:44:50] Mr. Chairman, this is part of the film and center program that we've been working.
[9:44:54] We've worked on, unfortunately, last year, we voted to scale back to incentives.
[9:44:58] and right now I
[9:45:00] I think we have been having conversation with these individuals per month, but I don't think this is appropriate time to move forward with this until we clarify exactly how this incense is going to work.
[9:45:10] So, I'm going to go ahead and ask Mr. Commissioner Brimoudes if you can please withdraw it.
[9:45:15] I would try and under the understanding that I've already spoken to them, and I think maybe we can sunshine it together. You can get the part in the movie because obviously your movie star looks to get you a little bit further.
[9:45:25] But the reality is that we need to do it quickly because I don't want to miss the opportunity to bring this much work to Miami-Date County.
[9:45:34] We won't miss the opportunity. We've been having some conversations, and I'll make sure we get this right back on track.
[9:45:41] I'm fine. I'm fine doing it with you getting it together.
[9:45:44] Okay, I will say this though, because to me, my go-to guy for film is Senator Garcia, right? As far as he has made himself the film
[9:45:55] King. And actually advocated to even move this under office of chair. It was moved over without proper funding, but it's here. And now we're dealing it, but I would. And I see that because I've been, they've reached out to me as well. I'm sure they've reached out to both of you. That's why you making the motion. That's why you're saying you've having communication. If someone wants to approach the well, if there's anyone here from that that's requesting this funding, I don't think they're here today.
[9:46:22] They're not here.
[9:46:22] Okay.
[9:46:23] Just to be clear, I'm just saying they probably came to me, not because I have the movie star
[9:46:27] looks of Senator Renee Garcia.
[9:46:29] They're not clear.
[9:46:30] Because District 12 is where Delimundo NBC's at, and that's probably one of the reasons.
[9:46:35] Right.
[9:46:35] They're not here.
[9:46:36] It doesn't matter who it comes to.
[9:46:37] I just appreciate it.
[9:46:38] It doesn't matter.
[9:46:39] I don't partake in that.
[9:46:40] It's one whammy day, county, says we've been trying to work through some issues on this, and
[9:46:45] I just want to appreciate that we can kick this until the next.
[9:46:47] I'm fine with that.
[9:46:48] My only question.
[9:46:49] And if you're both agreeing to that, I imagine you're on or something.
[9:46:51] I don't know is it's not like a time frame issue right like it's there's no like time line that they're going to like go somewhere else or anything like that
[9:46:58] Mr. Chairman
[9:47:00] When you talk about the high incentive film. It's always they always have to film first and then they get them. Okay, all right, I didn't know. Hey, that's why you're my film
[9:47:07] The only reason I'm happy to share is because you're but if you know, I think they we could talk to them
[9:47:12] They gave the impression hey the quicker the better because you know how it is with the film. I love when you guys work together
[9:47:17] So that's fine. We'll work. All right
[9:47:20] So you have one more next meeting are we deferring it next week. It's a motion, so it's not necessarily the next meeting
[9:47:27] You guys could make the motion any time. Yeah, we'll bring it back for the next meeting. We'll talk before
[9:47:30] Then I've a little sunshine about it. We could sunshine. We can sunshine the next the next one. I'll read
[9:47:38] I would move this is board. This is an urgent I would move that the board urge the United States Congress and President Donald J Trump to reinstate temporary protected status or TPS
[9:47:46] for Nationals of Venezuela, Haiti, Honduras,
[9:47:49] and Icaragua, and any other Caribbean or Latin American
[9:47:51] country for which TPS status was recently revoked,
[9:47:54] and direct the clerical, the board,
[9:47:55] the transmit a certified copy of the resolution
[9:47:57] memorializing in this motion to the United States presence,
[9:48:00] speak of the U.S. House of Representatives.
[9:48:02] The present pro-themp of the U.S. Senate members
[9:48:04] of the Florida Congressional delegation
[9:48:06] and direct the county's federal lobbyist to advocate
[9:48:08] for the foregoing and direct the office of intergovernmental affairs
[9:48:12] to amend the 2026 federal legislative package
[9:48:14] to include this item.
[9:48:16] It's just an urging, but listen, Commissioner Cohen Higgins said correctly, we are a minority
[9:48:24] of majority county.
[9:48:26] Right now, the Venezuelan community and the Haitian community is probably going through
[9:48:31] the most difficult situation when it comes to being able to work here.
[9:48:37] I know the mayor and Commissioner Bastien will be having a press conference tomorrow precisely
[9:48:41] because so many people are employed here.
[9:48:43] So, while it's just an urging, I think it behooves this commission to speak out and at least say,
[9:48:53] it's important to us.
[9:48:55] All right, so there's a motion. There's a second by Commissioner Gilbert.
[9:49:00] Listen as a co-sponsor, add me on to that co-sponsor ship as well.
[9:49:04] And Lopez as well, or Mrs. Well, TPS.
[9:49:09] Oh, yeah, yeah, that day is let's let's wrap it up guys. The whole the whole what is it give me a good give me a good mod
[9:49:18] I don't want to mess up a word again to center give me a the whole
[9:49:23] Okay, that's what I was looking for you see. Thank you, Marcus. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you
[9:49:28] Someone had a bunch are out here
[9:49:30] Someone had you packed your lunch people. Yeah, you packed your lunch. All right, so there's a motion
[9:49:35] there's a second by Gilbert on favor signify by say and I.
[9:49:40] You got one for me as you got one.
[9:49:42] You're not very well, but you got one.
[9:49:44] I'm very honored to have a sunshine with Senator Garcia.
[9:49:49] In the sunshine.
[9:49:50] It's going to be wonderful.
[9:49:52] District 12 and 13 working together.
[9:49:55] All right, we're just having any emotions or appointments.
[9:49:58] I have a motion.
[9:49:59] All right.
[9:49:59] you want to read your
[9:50:00] Yes, I will have the County Attorney's actually.
[9:50:03] I'll need to earn it.
[9:50:06] Commissioner Millian Orbis moves to amend resolution R-1236-25, relating to the amendment to the
[9:50:11] easement agreement between Miami-Dade County and the Lyon-Tera, Miami-Tera's LLC for
[9:50:16] a portion of LLM Trail, adjacent to South-Eath Street, the easement agreement. To further
[9:50:21] authorize the County Mayor, Mayor Svezigni, to incornation with the County Attorney's Office,
[9:50:25] revise the easement agreement regarding the County's defaults and rights of South-Cure, provided
[9:50:29] that the revisions do not result in any additional obligations to the county.
[9:50:33] I like that.
[9:50:34] Move by Commissioner Orbus, seconded by Commissioner Lopez.
[9:50:38] All in favor, signify by saying aye.
[9:50:40] Aye, thank you.
[9:50:41] All opposed, nay.
[9:50:42] Show the motion carries.
[9:50:44] Commissioner Regalada, you have any motions or appointments.
[9:50:46] Just for the sunshine meeting, grant theft auto is now going to be the next one's going
[9:50:51] to be in Miami.
[9:50:52] So just throw that on your list of things.
[9:50:54] A real live movie.
[9:50:55] We see you every day here in the county.
[9:50:56] No, but really the next grant theft auto they're picking like sites in Miami-D County. So Renee grant theft auto pay attention
[9:51:05] Hey, what's this whole thing that people are doing like Netflix documentaries?
[9:51:08] What's this whole movement?
[9:51:10] Yeah, that's so cute
[9:51:13] What's yours about shut like what was the whole the yard signs?
[9:51:18] It's like a political problem, you know, I was not being a little busy.
[9:51:21] We're just waiting to see my documentary when they're still in my signs.
[9:51:25] Oh, yeah.
[9:51:26] All right.
[9:51:27] Commissioner Gonzalez, any motions or appointments?
[9:51:30] Commissioner Cohen Higgins?
[9:51:32] Steinberg?
[9:51:32] No, I will say the Commissioner Bermuda's.
[9:51:35] I know that one year ago tomorrow.
[9:51:39] So we're so happier with us, and we do like you.
[9:51:43] Believe it or not.
[9:51:47] What's the one year anniversary tomorrow?
[9:51:49] It was one year ago tomorrow that he had his health issue.
[9:51:53] You know what it's it's funny you bring that up and we're all blessed that you're here with us, of course, but, you know, you really came back a change man, and I love it.
[9:52:00] I love it. You are the funniest member of this day is. And I mean that. I mean, you just give you give zero.
[9:52:08] Cares. You give zero cares and you just say what's on your mind and I love it. I couldn't eat it up more. I'm digging it. Commissioner Gilbert, motions or appointments.
[9:52:18] I have a motion in the appointment they can go ahead and read them for me.
[9:52:22] With respect to the following developers that have been conveyed, certain properties through
[9:52:26] the Miami-Dade County Infill Housing Initiative Program Commissioner Gilbert moves consistent
[9:52:30] with ordinance 21-80 to increase the maximum sales price from the 205,000 to the current
[9:52:35] maximum sales price authorized pursuant to ordinance 21-80 for homes that are constructed and
[9:52:39] sold to qualified households.
[9:52:40] Through an end in accordance with the Infill Housing Program for the lots listed in the
[9:52:47] and reflects the four folios for 34 ways, foundation, and 11 folios for Palmetto homes.
[9:52:53] Commissioner Gilbert moves to one authorize the chairperson or vice chairperson of this board
[9:52:57] pursuant to section 125.4114 statutes to execute amended and recated deeds amended deeds
[9:53:03] to the developers identified herein for the properties identified herein. Following approval by the
[9:53:08] County Attorney's Office in order to effectuate the sales price increase, two authorize the
[9:53:12] County Mayor of County Mayor says you need to take all access necessary to exercise any and
[9:53:15] rights set forth in the amended deeds, including but not limited to exercising the county's
[9:53:19] option to enforce its reversionary interest after conducting all due diligence. Title search
[9:53:23] is an environmental review, and three, direct the county mayor, county mayor says you need to
[9:53:26] provide copies of the recorded and amended deeds, the property appraiser, recorded and amended
[9:53:30] deeds in the public records and provide copies of the amended deeds to the clerk of the board.
[9:53:34] All right, we have a motion by Commissioner Gilbert a second by Commissioner Ramirez on favor
[9:53:40] signify by say n i all opposed name we got an appointment yes I like to point John Williams to the commission on disability issues
[9:53:48] all right we got a motion by commissioner gober for an appointment Mr. Williams to the disability
[9:53:54] commission on a second advice senator Garcia on favor signify by say n i all opposed name and any motion
[9:54:03] Senator hold on just one statement and I'm kind of like budding my
[9:54:10] Not business into something that's not my business but sort of our business
[9:54:14] We have an orangutan lake CRA meeting that starts in five minutes. None of us are gonna make it in five minutes
[9:54:19] I think it's unfair to have residents waiting over 40 minutes 50 minutes for us to get down south if the two co-chairs or it's more
[9:54:26] It's probably close to an hour. I don't know if that meeting can be canceled by this body. It's a whole different body
[9:54:31] That's scheduled that meeting, it's not us and that was made clear in the last meeting to the attorneys and of course the co-chairs
[9:54:38] Vice-chair McGee and Commissioner Conehiggins, is that something that we can cancel from this day is or
[9:54:45] Reschedule reschedule. I'm using the wrong certain I'm surprised in regards to the incorrect my terminology. It was just one rescheduley
[9:54:53] But I don't think we can do it as a spotty, but the co-chairs are present. I don't know
[9:54:58] And by the way, I'm buddy
[9:55:00] I'm voting into something that's not my, but we're just not going to make it in the, you know, yeah, we're not going to start a meeting at 7 7 30 p.m.
[9:55:10] We don't have quorum, we don't have quorum. So to the attorneys, you want to respond at least to my concerns.
[9:55:17] Mr. Chair, if you, if you know you won't have a quorum at the meeting and the quorum requirement for that, I believe it's five members, then the meeting can be canceled.
[9:55:27] Okay, well, again, I don't think anybody's going to make it, but it's an hour and a half
[9:55:32] you just check map quest or whatever the new map system is these days.
[9:55:37] It's called Google.
[9:55:39] You should have lunch.
[9:55:40] Google, yeah.
[9:55:41] Wait,
[9:55:43] vice chair, do you want all pints?
[9:55:45] Is it your video?
[9:55:46] Look, I don't want any convenience any one here, but at the same time, I do know there are,
[9:55:57] at
[9:55:57] the are there. I guess my question is to the county attorney to the administration.
[9:56:01] I do we have to suspend this meeting and then bring forth the CRA meeting right now in
[9:56:09] order to reschedule.
[9:56:12] All right, is that when is the next CRA meeting schedule for?
[9:56:18] Yes, it's up to the co-chairs of the CRA to reschedule meeting. But when is the next scheduled
[9:56:23] meeting? We're not aware of that because I charge so they'll figure it out in the
[9:56:27] All right, so show us now. I mean, we're not, we're not. Okay, sounds good. With that commissioner Lopez any motions or appointments, a center of our city record.
[9:56:34] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a couple of appointments and one motion.
[9:56:39] Monocules Shantel Brown for the Black Affairs Advisory Board.
[9:56:43] I've put other word to say it out to the International Trade Consortium Board.
[9:56:47] Bruce Orles to the Film and Entertainment Board.
[9:56:50] Christine Lumiere to the building better community citizens advisory board and I do have a motion that I would like to read for the children's trust
[9:57:01] Peace
[9:57:02] That our Garcia moves to authorize the County Mayor County Mayor says he need to negotiate an executed
[9:57:06] Interlocal agreement with the children's trust the trust following approval by the County Attorney's Office for legal
[9:57:11] Sufficiency to provide real estate services to the trust and connection with the trust potential acquisition of real property and further
[9:57:16] of its mission. Such services shall include but not be limited to, performing all services necessary
[9:57:20] to evaluate the property obtaining appraisals and disclosures, and negotiating a purchase
[9:57:24] agreement and shall be provided at the same or similarly negotiated rate or fees scheduled
[9:57:28] charge to county administrative departments and or the public health trust.
[9:57:33] All right. It's been moved. It's been seconded by Commissioner Regalado.
[9:57:38] Sure. All in favor, signify by saying aye. All opposed?
[9:57:45] Next is that was that everything?
[9:57:48] Is that right?
[9:57:49] Do we agree on reschedule of the CRA?
[9:57:53] They're going to figure it out.
[9:57:54] They're going to reschedule.
[9:57:57] All right.
[9:57:59] Show us the judge.
[9:58:02] Show us the judge.