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Mr. Al-Tabe,

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Mr. Chair, Mr. Mayor,

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Mr.

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Peña,

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Mr. Torrance, Mr. Badeel, Mr. Ziegler,

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Mr. Garabadia, we have quorum.

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Thank you. Do we have any members who have requested and waiver perhaps tonight?

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Yes. Can we get a motion to excuse anyone who's out tonight?

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Thank you.

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Can I get a motion on the minutes from March 26?

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Motion by Mr. Paris.

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Second, Mr. Gerston.

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All those in favor say aye.

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Thank you.

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Can we swear on the public please?

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Anybody who intends to testify, please stand.

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Raise your right hand.

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These were, or firm, that testimony you're about to give,

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is the truth, the truth, and nothing but truth.

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Thank you.

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Do we have any changes to tonight's agenda?

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We have a couple requests to move some of the items that are being proposed for the city.

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Hold on, second.

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I have another set of minutes in front of me.

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March 21st.

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I need to get those approved as well.

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Yes.

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So can I get the same motion in second?

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March 21st.

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So all those in favor say aye.

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Thank you.

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Sorry to interrupt.

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Go ahead, please.

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I'm sorry.

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PZ, AB, Item number 3, File ID 24, 29.

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It's a text amendment.

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And the city's requesting to move that item to June 6, 2018.

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Is there anyone in the public who'd like to speak on this item relative to the city's request to change the day?

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Seeing none, bringing back to the board for a motion?

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So move to the day of June 6th.

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June 6th.

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Do we have a second?

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Second.

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All of us in favour, please say aye.

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Thank you.

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We have another request for PZAB.

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Item number 4.

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File ID 3730.

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This is a tax amendment for the NCD.

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And the request is to move this to May 18th, 2018.

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Excuse me.

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May 16th.

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May 16th, I apologize, April 18th, the next PCAB meeting, April 18th, April 18th.

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Is there anyone in the audience who would like to comment that item relative to the change of date?

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Yes, sir.

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This item is essentially a continuation of the item that came before this board in July 29th of this year.

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This would make the fifth continuance of this.

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We have been to four previous board meetings.

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We have been to three workshops, we have, at the last meeting, we are directed to have a meeting with the planning board, which we have done, or the planning deputy director, which we have done, and we want to address this tonight.

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We have many people who are coming, there are many people who are here.

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How many people are here for PZAB4 right now,

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quite a few, and more are coming because

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it's PZAB4, so we expected that it would be sometime after 7.30, there are more people

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coming.

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Got it.

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Anyone else would like to speak on the city's request to change the date?

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Seeing none, city, can you tell us again why you'd like the date changed?

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We've continued to work with the constituents.

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There are some items that we've actually had to revise and want to make sure that we are

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able to incorporate everything, including some new diagrams for the next meeting.

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We would not be opposed to having this heard as a discussion item, but we'd like to refrain

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from having a recommendation put on this evening as there are some substantial changes that

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we'd like to have prepared and ready for the next meeting.

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I don't bring it back to the board.

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I'll just, let me just throw my two cents out there.

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I'm not inclined to make it a discussion item,

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just because I imagine when this item comes before us in a week or two,

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we're going to have similar commentary.

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But that's just my opinion,

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but I will not argue the point if my board wishes to make it a discussion item

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or here at tonight.

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Mr. Gerson.

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Yeah, I kind of have the opposite view, I think, you know, to Mr. Snyder's point, all of these meetings, workshops are, I think, a response to the neighborhoods response to the issues we keep seeing.

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I think if there are still more discussions to be had, we should continue to have them because it's a very active community.

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and this is an opportunity and they're here.

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So I would be interested in seeing this,

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who does a discussion item.

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Any other comments?

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I would very definitely like to hear it as a discussion item as well.

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I think we've got a lot of people here at the board.

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The staff would get a lot more input.

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I know we have Jeremy here tonight.

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We'll be taking notes to get even more input from the Royal Vice.

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Any other comments?

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I feel the same.

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Do we need to vote on it, or I can just say we're going to hear this as a discussion item?

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You would need to make a vote on it, make a motion, and have a vote.

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I would make that motion.

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So we have, well, quickly, please.

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We have minutes of the meeting where six of the Neighborhood Associations met with the deputy director.

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and we ask for five specific things, none of them got into the proposal, not one.

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Many of the people are here tonight.

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We do have the minutes.

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So we have a motion.

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Good afternoon.

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My concern, and this is to staff,

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I heard that there are significant changes.

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are there significant changes that I, while I understand that the folks in front of us are

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well versed on what is going on in their neighborhood and I do understand that. My concern

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is are we discussing what the final version that has significant changes, as this gentleman

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just said, there has been five requests that are currently not in the legislation. So, is that

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or any part of that going to be added to the version

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that we will be seeing on April 18th.

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So we did incorporate some comments.

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I don't know if there are 100% in the way they asked,

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but I think we've incorporated some comments.

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That being said, the changes that are probably

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that are going to be between what is published now

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and what we would like to actually have be voted on

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are some significant technical differences,

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there's some significant formatting differences

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and incorporating diagrams into the document

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rather than making reference to them.

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So they're mostly technical matters,

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but it's enough information that we would want to keep it

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and actually vote on the version that's published

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that's much more accurate.

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When the neighbors are commenting today, it's fairly, it's fair to say that the version that you're presenting on the 18th is just technicalities, but still true to what they're commenting today.

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I would say that's fair.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Gersham, you have a motion to hear this item.

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As a discussion item tonight.

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Yes. Second by Mr. Parrish.

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Hold those in favor say aye.

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I just have a quick question.

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Does that motion specific to that date of April 18th?

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I'm just concerned that a lot of discussion that'll happen here,

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that that may not be enough time,

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and that given that this has been continued a couple times,

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is everyone comfortable that two weeks is enough?

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I think that gives us enough time to make any changes

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that based on discussion tonight and to incorporate our technical changes.

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I would just hate to have another group come out, the 18th and we're still not there.

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Okay.

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Now, and we're motivated to move forward for the reasons of Mr. Snyder.

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And others? We don't think that we'll be enough time because they're not even on the right track.

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They are so far off track that I think it would be completely impossible.

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However, we do have an alternate proposal, which we would like to present tonight, and I think that could be accomplished rather quickly.

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Is there any more changes tonight to agenda?

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Excuse me.

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If I may.

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We've already.

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Yes.

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Is which item are you coming forward?

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He's the item.

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We've already voted.

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Mr.

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Is there another change?

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EDAB.

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You'll have time.

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When does item come to force tonight?

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I'm saying that this has been very rushed.

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I own three properties in the Grove.

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We're not going to take any action on tonight for you.

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And you'll have time to come back and provide you.

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Yes, ma'am.

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So, PZAB5, file ID 3848, it's another text amendment, and we're requesting to have this move to May 16th.

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Is there anyone here on item number five that would like to comment on the city's request to change the day?

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Seeing none, bringing back to the board? Motion?

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Motion.

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So, move Mr. Chairman.

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PZAB5 to May 16th.

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Hold those in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Aye. Thank you.

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And I believe there is an applicant who would like to request the continuance for item PZAB 1 and 2.

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Anyone here on items 1 and 2?

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Good afternoon.

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Seas are necessary.

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Laws is at 7600 West 20th Avenue, Highly Afforda.

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That is correct.

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On PZAB 1 and 2, I have with me the owners of the property, Mr. Mr.

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Little, and the architect for the property, Mr. Rick Ruiz.

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We're asking that this item be deferred to the May 16th meeting.

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The reason is Mr. Ruiz was just recently retained on this matter.

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He's a new consultant.

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He has gone through the recommendations and reports.

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We have identified some inconsistencies in the reports which we'd like to discuss with staff.

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I know he communicated with staff recently trying to address those prior to the hearing,

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but the gentleman that's been handling it and staff has been on vacation.

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I understand we probably will be able to set up meetings next week so we're asking that we

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be allowed to come back on May 16th.

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So that's on both of those items.

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That's great.

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And between now and then are you going to make sure when we ask you if you reach out to the neighbors

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and have feedback, you're going to be able to tell us, yes, we'll be back.

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We actually have potential that have been signed.

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We've taken care of that.

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Is city any objection to the request?

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We are ready to present if you like staff to present.

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However, the city's request would be that if this was going to be

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a continuum that's granted, that you may want to consider

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another date as there are, if this item sent to the 16th,

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you'll have nine items to listen to that evening.

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What's the agenda for June 6th is a lot lighter?

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June 6th, that worked for your client.

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That would be fine.

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June 6th.

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Do we have anyone else who'd like to speak on this item?

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Relative to the date change?

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To the date change?

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Sir, sir, you need to come to the microphone and give us your name and address.

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Take your time.

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Better at 32.65.

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Call a Kuchy Street.

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I just want to find out what property they're talking about right now.

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Ask the gentleman behind you.

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Just answer the question on the microphone, sir.

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1015 Southwest 29th Avenue.

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That's all I want to know.

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Thank you.

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Okay, do we have a motion to the June 6th?

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I'll make a motion.

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To move item 1 and 2 to June 6th.

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So we have a motion and a second for both items.

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Holders in favor say aye.

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All right.

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Make sure the neighbors, you get the conversation with them.

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Yes, thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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So we'll proceed.

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Mr. Chair.

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We would like to begin by having or start by having public comment.

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If we're going.

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Are we sure?

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How best are we going to have, I guess, confidence that as people come up and say,

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I don't like item B that there's going to be an opportunity where the city comes back and says,

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you know, item B is not going to happen or item B is going to change.

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I really don't want to have everyone talk.

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I just want to make sure there's a connection of the dots when the gentleman says,

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hey, you have not addressed his five points.

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I don't know if the best way is you to come up after each person who speaks,

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or wait till the end since we have a lot of folks.

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I don't know, I'd rather see some back and forth with the city when these folks come up.

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And if someone's being saying the same thing that the previous person said, you could just

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say, hey, refer to the previous speaker, but I want a little back and forth so people

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can hear what the city's opinion is on what they say.

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That's what that is.

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All right, that's fine.

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So, Mr. Chair, just for clarity, did you want to continue how we normally have a two minute?

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Yes.

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So we're going to have folks come to either podium and the city can use the podium off to the side if they want.

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Make sure you give us your name and address two minutes.

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Try to get right to the question you have with the feedback you have.

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And then let the city respond and see if we can get everyone an opportunity to speak.

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either microphone. Yes, sir.

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Hold on, sir. Hold on. Do we need to read this item in?

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Resolution of the planning zoning and appeals board, recommending approval or denial of an

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ordinance of the Miami City Commission, amending ordinance number 1, 3, 1, 1, 4, the zoning

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ordinance of the city of Miami, Florida, as amended to amend the Pundit's A entitled neighborhood

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conservation districts, replacing section A2, village west island district and Charles Avenue

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and CD2 and section A3 entitled coconut grove, neighborhood conservation district and CD3

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with new regulations, standards and guidelines for future development within the coconut grove

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neighborhood conservation district. So we will now continue with the discussion item. Yes, sir.

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Praise the Lord Jesus because he's worthy to be praised and if you don't agree, remain silent and if you do, you can say amen.

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My name is William Zelford, I live at 3260 Thomas Avenue.

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And I'm concerned that this being a meeting sanctioned by the city of Miami was not on the city of Miami, a official site for a review prior to this meeting.

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And so is this meeting sanctioned by the City of Miami and if it is, why wasn't that listed on the City of Miami official site?

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That's what I'd like to know.

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The City Attorney, could you address the question?

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Are you saying it wasn't listed on where?

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I'm saying,

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I'm saying that it is not listed on the City of Miami official site being held today at this time.

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That's what I'm saying.

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I just, just from my perspective, I went to the city website today and downloaded the agenda

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and this item was on it.

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So, what then happened today?

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I don't know.

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So, our belief in knowledge, it was properly, notice, and it was on the...

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It is on the...

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Yes?

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Okay, well, I checked where I had to come in here and I didn't see it.

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So I'll go back home and I'll return if I do find it and get some more information on what

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We are addressing this evening and I thank you so very much for your time.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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If there are no other speakers out close, let's line up behind each of these two podiums.

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We're going to alternate back and forth.

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So there's only one, two, three more speakers.

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Have to, did I say here?

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Thank you.

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You know, Mr. Chairman.

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Mr. Garston, I'm sorry.

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Quick question, would it be OK if before the general back and forth starts that we, in a clear, simple list, understand what the five points are, so that we could be listening sort of for those things.

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So I'm not sure I heard it. The five pointer is a universal statement.

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I wasn't sure.

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One gentleman, I'm sure when he comes up he's going to go through it.

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And if we see it happening with repeats, I want us to see it to go over it again.

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That's okay.

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Good.

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Yes, ma'am.

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We're sorry.

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Ozele, 4191, Bergenza Avenue.

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I'm here today to speak on the item specifically with regards to sections 3.14, the public benefits section.

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I don't believe it should be part of the CED revision.

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and doing so, it crams too much into a section of code that has a specific intent to minimize

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not maximize density and maintain the scale and character of the unit that's unique to

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coconut grove.

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I know it got into this NCD workshop, due to the workshops that were held, but I really,

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I know it's an important thing that needs to go into the code, but just not into the NCD code.

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I'm going to see the balance of my time to Joe Hanabran.

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I'm going to make some general comments about NCDs, and in specific, towards the FLR recommendations

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in the code.

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I think it's crucial at this point in time that we take a step back and remember why we're all

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here, and that's we're trying to improve our NCD.

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But what's an NCD, and then trying to better understand the NCD, a founder's document that

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is handed to you, it's a thesis from Max Yestern of Columbia University on neighborhood conservation

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districts. And in that, yes, since the states that NCDs are tools that were first put

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to use in 1975 in Boston, Massachusetts, it says an attempt to have a let's strict form

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of historic preservation. Then these existing historic districts, their use has grown dramatically

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over the decades. And as of 2011, over 96 cities and 34 states employ the use of NCDs,

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Yes, and attributes the reasons for this dramatic increase to what is referred to as the

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tear-down trend, the practice of demolishing a small house on a valuable lot and

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supplanting it with a significantly bulkier home.

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The result is oversized houses that distort a neighborhood's architectural character,

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reduce livability, and decrease in areas economic and social diversity.

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Yes, then goes further, an NCD is a manifestation of a community that wishes to maintain

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a sense of local spatial familiarity and legibility, whether this stems from an area of

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physicality, street layout, building scale, or a shared sense of identity in history,

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and what is referring to as a sense of place, and the NCD tool is the tool that tries to

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preserve a sense of place, and that's what we're trying to do here in the grove.

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So what is that in the grove, it's say predominant tree canopy, and one of the reasons

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the tree canopy in the grove is so predominant is because the houses are not.

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And to understand what we're trying to preserve, I did a random survey amongst several streets in coconut grove to establish a baseline FAR and I use that term loosely, it's a square footage of the house versus the square footage of the lot ratio amongst existing housing stock.

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Lots and streets were chosen at random and each street contained between 10 to 13 houses.

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On Battersy Road, the average FAR is 27% on Crawford Road, 26% on Cumquat, it's 27% on Charles

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Avenue, it's 30% on Inagua Avenue, it's 32% Kirk Street, 24% and Amathla, 18%.

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Lot sizes less than, if you break it, and a lot sizes less than 7,500 square feet, the

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average FAR is 34%.

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a lot sizes from 7,500 to 10,000, it's 28% and 10,000 to 20,000, it's 19%.

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And just as a comparison to what has driven this whole thing is these white boxes we all keep hearing about,

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I did an average of about 10 of those, the average, your build being 2015 and found an average of a or 51%.

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So it begs the question that inside the new draft,

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the recommended FLR, 50%.

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percent.

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Mammy need to in conclusion.

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Okay.

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Sorry.

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With a bonus of 50 percent, are we preserving the physicality in the building scale of

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coconut grove and it doesn't appear that we are.

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And I believe if we reduce that FLR in the below 50 percent, we can allow the coverage

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to be-

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Major, but we need to get the stale of the building smaller, and I don't think that's what we're doing here. We don't need the same scales, 1945, but we need to get it lower than 50, because what 50 looks like is not.

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So, city, do you want to have a comment on the FLR? Question?

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So currently the base allowed is 50% covered well currently under current code is 80%

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basically by default 50% ground level 30% second level which has led to I'm quite surprised that you're finding an FAR number of 50% for those

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the and I don't know if it's a lot coverage or well you know it's hard because it's

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So I suspect that's more like a lot coverage and it's not taking into account the second level because I think what has been getting built is that 80%

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Absolutely maxed out

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And so what we're proposing is pushing that down to 50% maxed out, which is a 30% reduction, I mean, this is a significant reduction

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But, and I think this is where a lot of the discomfort that we're going to hear from is that we're allowing you to get 15% of that back by planting significant trees between the street and the building.

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So even with that 15% back, it's still a 15% reduction compared to what's allowed currently.

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And we feel the city, we feel like that is a good compromise, particularly when it's paired with, you know, significant, the screening tree size is 10 inch DBH.

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This is above and beyond what would be required, which is actually 2 inch DBH.

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So the idea is if the concern is tree canopy, and if the concern is the feel of the massing of these structures in the neighborhood,

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that we can address that by allowing this point 1-5 increase by effectively screening them

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and gaining some of the tree canopy back that we've lost.

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So that's the logic.

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You know, it would be helpful if the city maybe could do some sort of like studies,

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examples of, you know, with the new restrictions.

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Let's just say somebody wanted to max out, you know, what would that building look like

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when you're driving down the street, what would be the square footage?

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The adjusted square footage at the end of the day, if they, you know,

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because I feel like it's a little bit of a showgain sometimes

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when you talk about lock coverage and then FALR and, you know,

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it gets for the average person, it gets confusing to be able to translate that

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into what does the building look like at the end of the day?

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Like, I don't know, it would be helpful.

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All right. Thank you. Yes, sir.

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Good evening. My name is Rick Selman.

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I live at 3, 5, 3, 6 St. Guards, Routing Coconut Grove.

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Thank you Mr. Chairman and members of the Board for letting me speak tonight.

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First of all, I'd like to say that I'm here on behalf of myself, my family,

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and also the St. Guards, Routing Neighborhood Conservation Association.

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Firstly, we endorse what Ms. Brown said.

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Second of all, the 12th Warehouse clause in the proposal that came out Friday

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It says, whereas the proposed regulations use restrictions on ancillary dwelling units, which will

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help to increase housing affordability by increasing housing stock while maintaining

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neighborhood character.

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During public presentations, no mention was made of any studies or research that supports

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the conclusion that ancillary dwelling units will maintain neighborhood character.

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This assertion is subject to challenge and is hard to justify unless site-specific research

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has been undertaken in Coconut Grove.

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Now where in Section 2.1, Purpose and Intent provisions is there any mention of the conflicting

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impact of Ancillary Dwelling units to the unique single-family neighborhoods of Coconut Grove.

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Now where is there any mention that it is the Purpose and Intent of these provisions to provide

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the alleged affordable housing at the expense of, quote, unique, single-family neighborhoods?

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This is an attempt to essentially create two-plex lots on single-family lots, which are there today,

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which happened there for as we know, 50, 60, and 70 years.

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Why should an answer to every dwelling unit speak permitted as a matter of right, as they

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will increase parking needs, and could also include a garage in addition to the 450 square

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foot unit, and substantially increased density in the single-family districts?

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That seems to contradict the history and description on page 27 of the proposal that states quote

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This document establishes boundaries and functions of an overlay to provide an additional level of protection in the unique area.

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I have a lot more and I know I realize I'm out of time and I don't want to take more time than I should.

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So what I'm going to do when I finish with this is I will pass this memo out. I'll give a copy to the staff.

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I'm also attempting to address, generally speaking, the splitting of existing single-family

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home sites as well.

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But thank you for the opportunity to be here.

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Staff, do you have any comments?

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Sure.

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So, I want to return a couple of steps back to talk a little bit about the big picture and

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tense of preserving a sense of place and what the NCD is there for.

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So, a big part of that, it trees drove this, right, I mean, it really did from the beginning.

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And I think what we found out very, very quickly in our public meetings is that the place is also the people,

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and that there was equally large push and support to do everything we could to encourage affordability in the NCD as well.

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So a lot of what we're pushing for is these two things,

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these preserving the physical character of coconut growth,

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and preserving the people and historically

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at a affordable neighborhood that's coconut growth.

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So the ADUs are an attempt to do both of those things.

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There are a number of historic homes in the growth that

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corporate carriages. We did not do a comprehensive survey of the carriages of coconut

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growth, but they are certainly commonplace on properties in coconut growth. Furthermore,

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they are common through other parts of the city as well. It is something that is sort of

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in the character of Miami in general.

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So the ADU in that it's 450 square feet, it's limited to 450 square feet, and I think one of Mr. Snyder's comments that we partially addressed.

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We took a lot of the things that he recommended, and we incorporated a portion, was we limited them now to only properties of greater than 7500 square feet.

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You're a lot coverage, everything else, you still have to abide by, so these are probably not going to be built on a lot of existing properties, but if somebody wants to incorporate one on a new property they can.

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We feel like it's a form of affordability without forcing it without forcing a subsidy or anything just by the nature of it being 450 square feet.

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So that's one of the real targets there, and we do feel like it's in keeping with the historical character of the Grove.

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Yeah, I say, I think that's it for now.

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One quick.

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Look, let's be candid.

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The South Grove hasn't been affordable in 40 years.

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And bringing down property values by increasing urban density is just plain stupid.

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Thank you, John Snyder.

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Our code at present is based on the code that Carl Gables has, which has been tested for 38 years.

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It works in Carl Gables.

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I'm going to give you an overview of this proposal.

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The proposed changes in this amendment,

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ostensibly designed to reduce confusion about Warren criteria.

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That's how it started, because the only way that these sites can be divided is by Warren.

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have taken on a life of their own.

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Taken as a whole, it's a proposal to transfer property rights

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from the residents to speculators, obscuring the intent

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of the neighborhood conservation district.

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This amendment would eliminate in its entirety

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the single-family district.

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Critical to any suburb in neighborhood.

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How can that contribute to conservation?

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The amendment calls for massive upzoning in every transect of coconut grove, upzoning

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disguised as incentive programs, sale of development rights, and public benefits program.

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But upzoning it is, single family sites become duplex, duplex sites become quadriplex.

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T-4 gets the density of T-5, and T-6 gets, excuse me, T-5 gets T-6 density.

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Developers who purchase rights get a pass to overdevelop in some other area, just say no.

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The Planning Department has made a charade of public input.

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The repeated refusals by the Planning Department to allow the various neighborhood associations

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to participate in any meaningful way in shaping this proposed amendment as effectively

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divide, denied, public input. We have minutes of the meeting that we have with them. There

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were five needs that were expressed at that meeting by the Sixth Neighborhood Association.

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A solution, first, a solution to the decay and condemnation of housing through neglect

463
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in the NCD2 West Grove.

464
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:40,420
Separate NCD2 and NCD3 districts provide a much better vehicle to bring affordable housing to those residents and former residents of Isling West Grove, which is by residents choice, a prospective CRA area.

465
00:40:40,420 --> 00:40:49,020
Number two, maintaining the single-family district intent, criteria for a warrant, and language

466
00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:55,120
on lots splitting, are all necessary to preserve the tree canopy, nature, and character

467
00:40:55,120 --> 00:41:04,740
of the neighborhood, height, and mass limits, as was pointed out earlier, which are reasonable

468
00:41:04,740 --> 00:41:11,340
and consistent with existing development. Design review criteria has a line in there that says

469
00:41:11,340 --> 00:41:14,760
they're supposed to be. So let's get through 3, 4, and 5 so I could have a

470
00:41:15,620 --> 00:41:23,220
height mass height mass length. 4 is site size is in accord with septic health requirements

471
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:33,420
in specific areas. The state requires a maximum of four dwelling units per acre, per net acre,

472
00:41:33,420 --> 00:41:39,380
net of streets or the county requires 15,000 square foot building sites.

473
00:41:39,580 --> 00:41:40,920
These need to be enforced.

474
00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:50,340
It's a health issue, number five, design review, appropriate to NCD2 and NCD3, including

475
00:41:50,340 --> 00:41:55,460
building size and mass relative to surroundings need to be employed.

476
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,760
All of these issues were unanimously supported.

477
00:41:59,020 --> 00:42:00,200
We got to show our hands.

478
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,540
So I'm not going to stop you now.

479
00:42:03,180 --> 00:42:05,220
So let's hear the city's answer.

480
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:08,260
You can stay right there and let's hear how

481
00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:09,500
we go through on one, two, five.

482
00:42:10,220 --> 00:42:14,380
So on the issue of splitting NCD, two and three,

483
00:42:15,220 --> 00:42:17,060
the bulk of the questions that they really

484
00:42:17,060 --> 00:42:18,600
wanted is to address are not things

485
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,680
that are addressed through land use regulations.

486
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:24,280
They have to be in conjunction with,

487
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,240
or it's sort of a housing authority or a housing department

488
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,200
issues that can be addressed.

489
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:37,400
We can only do so much with the housing with the land use regulations where we can mandate

490
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,720
subsidies, that sort of thing.

491
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:47,260
So with that being said, I do think we have strengthened quite a bit of and we heard quite

492
00:42:47,260 --> 00:42:52,840
a bit about how the NCD2 needed to be beefed up and how it needed additional protections

493
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,120
and we've actually incorporated that.

494
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,880
So while we didn't address 100% of the concerns,

495
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,620
we certainly did address a number of them.

496
00:43:02,820 --> 00:43:08,420
On the issue of up zoning, obviously there is no change in actual zoning.

497
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,080
Now I understand the argument that it's effectively changing zoning,

498
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,420
but I do disagree to some degree.

499
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:23,760
We did address some of the concerns that we brought up in the meeting

500
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:29,080
about the increase in density for T4, we actually push that back down.

501
00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:37,660
We do think having the density increase that's only available for purposes of affordable housing.

502
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:41,640
That's the only way anybody can avail themselves of this.

503
00:43:42,740 --> 00:43:47,000
Those are where the reasons to allow some increase in density.

504
00:43:47,820 --> 00:43:51,940
So it doesn't affect building volume, it doesn't affect massing of the building,

505
00:43:51,940 --> 00:44:02,180
It doesn't affect the zoning of the building, but it does affect how many units they can put in the same building, so the idea is you can if you have more units in same building, they're smaller, they're more affordable.

506
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:11,460
And again, those bonuses are only available when they're providing affordable or low income units on site.

507
00:44:11,460 --> 00:44:18,600
So, and then in terms of height and mass, you know, that's what we're doing with the basic

508
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:25,000
diminishment down the 50 percent, sorry, the 30 percent or 15 percent reduction, depending

509
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,780
on the trees.

510
00:44:29,260 --> 00:44:36,420
So regarding design review, we've expanded the purview of design review for West Grove, which

511
00:44:36,420 --> 00:44:44,220
currently only applies to Charles Avenue. It now applies both to the other two districts

512
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:52,860
importing mostly with Douglas and Grand Avenue within the West Grove. Sorry, and then

513
00:44:52,860 --> 00:44:59,660
a lot of diminishment we've actually did incorporate the bulk of the requested changes for that as well.

514
00:45:01,390 --> 00:45:10,910
Obviously not to Mr. Snyder's satisfaction. But again, I think we did compromise and we made changes based on all of their recommendations.

515
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:18,740
Each time, with each revision that they made, the proposal became worse.

516
00:45:18,740 --> 00:45:29,340
It went from being 50 percent, a lot coverage at first or 50 percent floor lot ratio, then it went to 65.

517
00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:32,820
If you look at it carefully now, you'll see that it's 75.

518
00:45:34,660 --> 00:45:35,460
It's a hold on.

519
00:45:35,980 --> 00:45:37,620
What is your feedback on that?

520
00:45:37,740 --> 00:45:39,060
It is not 75.

521
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:40,460
It's a table.

522
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:41,480
It's 73.

523
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,220
Sorry, let me clarify.

524
00:45:43,220 --> 00:45:48,120
Okay. The T30, which is the duplex zones, is 75.

525
00:45:49,420 --> 00:45:49,780
Base.

526
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,800
In the table, it says, I think it's table four dash,

527
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,740
I forget which table it is.

528
00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:02,220
But if you add up the bonuses and the percentage, it's 75%.

529
00:46:03,140 --> 00:46:09,140
Okay, I can help with this one because that was something that was confusing

530
00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:11,440
and that we've actually removed a line.

531
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,600
What it was trying to convey is that there's design flexibility.

532
00:46:16,020 --> 00:46:21,180
Like if you want to do 25%, 25%, you're allowed to do that.

533
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,000
There wasn't a restriction on that second level

534
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:30,180
that would only total up to 0.5.

535
00:46:30,460 --> 00:46:32,180
So we've actually clarified that.

536
00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:34,200
That was something that was quite confusing

537
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,160
with the first floor, second floor coverage.

538
00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:42,780
So I think we've, on the latest version,

539
00:46:42,980 --> 00:46:44,060
we're just removing a line,

540
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,860
which actually clears that up.

541
00:46:46,060 --> 00:46:51,360
The maximums were always the same as stated at 0.5.

542
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:58,300
So how this got started was the NCD2 district

543
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:02,260
in three blocks in the NCD2 district.

544
00:47:02,260 --> 00:47:08,140
There have been demolitions, condemnations of property that was, let me just...

545
00:47:08,140 --> 00:47:08,820
The deteriorated.

546
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,300
Have you sat down with City on this?

547
00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:11,700
Yes.

548
00:47:11,860 --> 00:47:12,520
Yes, we have.

549
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,940
And you feel that they've at least listened?

550
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,160
They have listened.

551
00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:22,840
They have listened and they have shown that they are going to do what they want to do, not what

552
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,680
the neighborhood wants them to do.

553
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,260
So it's just straightforward, they are on the wrong track.

554
00:47:29,260 --> 00:47:39,840
So, in regard to the affordable housing, there are three blocks, the 3,334,3,500 blocks of

555
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:45,520
Grand Avenue, where a lot of people have been displaced because of the demolition.

556
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:52,260
And we do think that there is a need and a public benefit to have affordable housing.

557
00:47:52,820 --> 00:47:58,160
However, that doesn't mean that you should have it throughout all of Coconut Grove.

558
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,800
because most of the coconut grove, the people are affluent.

559
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,260
Their property is one of their major assets.

560
00:48:07,780 --> 00:48:12,660
If you have affordable housing throughout coconut grove,

561
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,280
the prices of housing will go down. That's what affordable housing is.

562
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:23,080
We think it's necessary in those three blocks, perhaps some other areas?

563
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,260
All right, I'll give you a minute.

564
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:24,720
I'll give you a minute.

565
00:48:25,660 --> 00:48:26,500
Yes, sir.

566
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,780
So Scott Silver, 2980 McFarlane Road.

567
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,180
I'm here as the chairman of the Cuckon Growth Business

568
00:48:32,180 --> 00:48:34,980
Improvement District Planning and Infrastructure Committee.

569
00:48:35,580 --> 00:48:38,960
We've spent years going through planning and designing

570
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,060
and coming up with the different components of how we're

571
00:48:41,060 --> 00:48:43,460
going to redesign the core and the center of the grove.

572
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:44,800
And some of those have been implemented,

573
00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:46,940
but we recently retained plus Serbia.

574
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,260
That a few months ago came up with a master plan

575
00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:51,380
and had dozens of different recommendations

576
00:48:51,380 --> 00:48:56,060
and there is to how we would incorporate zoning code, planning code, building code provisions

577
00:48:56,060 --> 00:48:59,700
in order to come up with a good model ordinance that would affect the commercial.

578
00:48:59,820 --> 00:49:01,460
I'm not here to comment on the residential side.

579
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:05,100
I think many of these meetings, many of the workshops we're dealing with the residential,

580
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,340
and I believe it was March 16th.

581
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:13,000
The city came to the Business Improvement District and told us that they were going forward

582
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,800
with these plans that also affected the commercial court did not bring a draft to the plan.

583
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:25,980
we received the draft on March 19th. We're a public entity. We set our meeting to review the

584
00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:30,180
comments. The first one that we could do, because we're receiving the draft on March

585
00:49:30,180 --> 00:49:35,380
19th is April 10th. We think it's appropriate for the city to make changes. I don't think

586
00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:41,280
the Miami-21 ordinance was it certainly had things that needed to be revised. We were informed

587
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:47,780
of a number of the changes that they make that sound excellent, but also many when we

588
00:49:47,780 --> 00:50:17,760
And there were many of the VAT that could answer, or we felt, at least, on first blush, we're inconsistent with both the plus Serbia plan designs that we've done, we've already implemented some of the infrastructure regarding the streets and sidewalks and setbacks and things like that, that I don't think that this code specifically addresses, we don't know for sure because we literally have not had the opportunity to analyze it, so we'd like to meet April 10th, we're set, it's already a publicly-known meeting, and I anticipate it's going to take 30 to 60 days for us to give meaningful feedback.

589
00:50:17,780 --> 00:50:24,200
back to it. Again, a public entity meeting on April 10th, reviewing it. We're going to then analyze

590
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,520
it. We'll probably set two or three meetings. We're going to try and expedite it over

591
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,820
the next 60 days. But I'm sure it's going to take us at least two or three meetings to come

592
00:50:31,820 --> 00:50:37,840
up with appropriate comments. So I would ask not the deferring of April 16th just brings

593
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,500
the whole new crowd out here. We asked if they split the commercial district from the residential,

594
00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:46,280
so if you're ready to move forward with the residential, go ahead. We really, we're not commenting

595
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:52,760
on that, but we think that we need at least 60 days to analyze and give meaningful comments.

596
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,540
And I think the city is open to it.

597
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:59,640
I think that when they met with us, it seemed like they were open to the discussions, but we need

598
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:00,400
to have those discussions.

599
00:51:00,540 --> 00:51:01,980
Can you tell us that?

600
00:51:03,940 --> 00:51:10,320
So first of all, I do, there was an oversight not going directly to bid.

601
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:15,300
Now what we did do, we saw certain members of the bid at the public meetings.

602
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:19,320
So we didn't do, we didn't sort of do a carve-out separate element.

603
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:29,500
What we have done is the plus erbia plan that the bid paid for very recently approved.

604
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,780
I mean, I think February.

605
00:51:33,460 --> 00:51:37,200
In that intervening time, we actually worked directly with plus erbia.

606
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:45,760
But every item, essentially, that includes a land use regulation from their submitted plan.

607
00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:47,920
We've incorporated in some capacity.

608
00:51:50,140 --> 00:51:52,500
So we still need to meet with them.

609
00:51:52,540 --> 00:51:53,600
We still need to inform them.

610
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,780
We'd love to get their stamp of approval.

611
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:02,420
But we feel like we've done a pretty solid job of actually incorporating the recommendations.

612
00:52:03,700 --> 00:52:04,260
Thank you.

613
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:04,840
Yes, ma'am.

614
00:52:06,740 --> 00:52:08,220
I'm Marcia Proctor.

615
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,000
I'm a member of the South Grove Neighborhood Association.

616
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,120
I live at 38, 21, a pliable of art.

617
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,180
Coconut Grove.

618
00:52:17,020 --> 00:52:19,620
I keep thinking of the Johnny Mitchell song,

619
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:21,820
pay paradise, put up a parking lot.

620
00:52:22,500 --> 00:52:24,860
We're not exactly coming up with a parking lot,

621
00:52:25,820 --> 00:52:28,800
but we're definitely changing the character of the neighborhood

622
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,740
that all of us love.

623
00:52:30,860 --> 00:52:33,260
And we're not all, we're, what you would call,

624
00:52:33,260 --> 00:52:40,520
But we don't all live in the McMansions, we don't all have the big boxes, many of us bought there because of the canopy.

625
00:52:42,020 --> 00:52:45,160
The vegetation is like almost nowhere else in Miami.

626
00:52:45,340 --> 00:52:52,660
Every time you take down one of these houses and raise something new, these white boxes, small, big, whatever,

627
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:55,160
you can't put back that same vegetation.

628
00:52:55,380 --> 00:52:58,580
You get palm trees and sod, it'll never be the same again.

629
00:52:58,940 --> 00:53:00,380
It will never be the same again.

630
00:53:00,380 --> 00:53:03,980
So, we are somewhat affluent.

631
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,420
There's no need to disrupt the free market operation here.

632
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,240
With people prefer to live in or near,

633
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,860
befriend and subsidize affordable housing, of course.

634
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:14,760
Is it good public policy?

635
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:15,840
No.

636
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,140
In the U.S., we have a capitalist system to allocate housing.

637
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:26,160
Since the status indicates average household income is 111,414,000 in coconut growth.

638
00:53:26,860 --> 00:53:30,120
A public benefit program offering subsidized housing in this area

639
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,360
is inappropriate, unjustified out of bounds.

640
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,140
We're opposed to cramming in more dwelling units,

641
00:53:37,420 --> 00:53:41,020
compromising health, septic, all those issues.

642
00:53:43,650 --> 00:53:45,550
The nature of the character of the neighborhood

643
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:48,610
and fundamentally undermining the very idea

644
00:53:48,610 --> 00:53:50,930
of a neighborhood conservation district.

645
00:53:52,090 --> 00:53:54,210
I moved here in 2001 from Tennessee.

646
00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:58,110
My daughter, Kay, and husband, came down and bought

647
00:53:58,110 --> 00:54:03,850
in the Grove from Baltimore, all of us for the same reasons, because it's just so unique

648
00:54:03,850 --> 00:54:06,690
and so wonderful, and we don't live in admissions.

649
00:54:07,790 --> 00:54:16,610
We paid more for the house to get the canopy, and I just wish it was valued and appreciated

650
00:54:16,610 --> 00:54:18,870
by Miami more than I feel like it is.

651
00:54:19,530 --> 00:54:25,050
I feel my daughter would be here tonight, her husband would be here tonight, they're doing homework

652
00:54:25,050 --> 00:54:31,550
and doing all the things that good busy people of Miami have to do, but they all are feeling despair.

653
00:54:32,290 --> 00:54:37,530
And we have been for the last year, two years, and it's increasing month by month and coconut growth.

654
00:54:37,810 --> 00:54:42,170
So, I just share with you what most of my neighbors are like us.

655
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:43,230
Thank you.

656
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:44,210
Thank you.

657
00:54:44,270 --> 00:54:44,810
Yes, sir.

658
00:54:47,770 --> 00:54:49,050
My name is Patrick Sessions.

659
00:54:49,110 --> 00:54:51,690
I live at 1754 South Bay Shore Lane.

660
00:54:53,790 --> 00:54:59,810
I give you all a thing on double doors, garage doors, which you can read at your leisure.

661
00:55:00,550 --> 00:55:04,110
I was going to talk about that while I was here, but after listening to everything else,

662
00:55:04,210 --> 00:55:08,970
I just wanted to kind of talk about, I'm a developer by trade, and so I know a little bit

663
00:55:08,970 --> 00:55:14,330
about this anyway, and I will tell you that the ideas that everybody has in this room are

664
00:55:14,330 --> 00:55:14,850
good ones.

665
00:55:15,250 --> 00:55:19,750
I think the question is, how do you implement them without damaging property rights and property

666
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:20,330
values?

667
00:55:20,990 --> 00:55:23,230
And I think it's an easy task.

668
00:55:23,810 --> 00:55:25,250
I learned a long time ago as a developer.

669
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:29,370
If you have a piece of something that you built that you're not real proud of, the trick

670
00:55:29,370 --> 00:55:30,870
is to cover it up with landscaping.

671
00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:33,830
And I would challenge you to go through the Grove right now.

672
00:55:34,090 --> 00:55:38,490
And if you stripped away the landscaping that was on houses that have been there for 50

673
00:55:38,490 --> 00:55:40,550
years, they wouldn't look very nice.

674
00:55:41,390 --> 00:55:43,490
They're not good-looking houses in a lot of cases.

675
00:55:43,490 --> 00:55:47,230
I happened to go in two houses in the Grove, one of which was built in the 40s.

676
00:55:47,250 --> 00:55:48,810
And there's nothing special about it.

677
00:55:48,810 --> 00:55:51,390
But it looks pretty nice because there's a lot of trees there.

678
00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:56,530
The solution to this problem seems to be a hand grenade to kill a fly.

679
00:55:57,370 --> 00:56:04,370
We don't have to redo the entire zoning ordinances and cooking a grove to answer the question

680
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:10,410
which has been repeated here on everybody who spoke here talks about tree canopy, landscaping,

681
00:56:10,450 --> 00:56:10,930
nose things.

682
00:56:11,490 --> 00:56:12,570
I agree with all that.

683
00:56:12,690 --> 00:56:17,590
My point is is that you don't have to cut down the square footage of the house to

684
00:56:17,590 --> 00:56:24,450
to accomplish that. You can do things like they did, which I didn't know you know is coming.

685
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:30,870
I've got to credit to gain some more square footage by adding additional trees and I mean trees.

686
00:56:31,390 --> 00:56:39,090
You know, we're all, well I say weed, developers are very, very guilty of planning trees this big around.

687
00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:44,890
And if it's an oak tree, it won't grow for 30 years. You know, now in the other hand we've also got a lot of junk trees

688
00:56:44,890 --> 00:56:48,190
in a group too, a lot of stuff that came down in a storm, we all are in that lesson.

689
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:56,430
But I think you can solve 90% of everybody's problem here by requiring much heavier landscaping

690
00:56:56,430 --> 00:56:59,990
on the front of the house and down the sides as far as you can see.

691
00:57:00,750 --> 00:57:07,030
And that, I can assure you, a developer or a homeowner would gladly spend an additional

692
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:14,250
$15,000,000 on some really good trees that would hide this home if it's a new scow home.

693
00:57:14,250 --> 00:57:18,550
And I don't think we're in the business of deciding what people should be able to build.

694
00:57:19,550 --> 00:57:24,530
Nobody in this room should be able to tell somebody else what style architecture they want to use.

695
00:57:24,790 --> 00:57:29,710
But if it's going to be a square of box which is in now, then cover it up at landscaping,

696
00:57:30,290 --> 00:57:32,430
make the permit subject to that.

697
00:57:32,830 --> 00:57:36,490
You do not have to cut the houses down to nothing, destroy values.

698
00:57:36,750 --> 00:57:41,610
I bought one of my houses as an investment.

699
00:57:41,610 --> 00:57:53,350
And if we had left the original proposal that the city came up with, it would have dropped the value of that house by about 20 or the lot, really, because it's a tear down by 25, 30 percent.

700
00:57:53,610 --> 00:58:02,770
That's simply not right, and it's not necessary. I can build a really nice house, landscape the heck out of it, and it will cure about 90 percent of what everybody's upset about here.

701
00:58:02,770 --> 00:58:06,210
And I agree with it. So, thank you. The two doors, y'all.

702
00:58:13,650 --> 00:58:21,010
My name is Cindy Snyder and I live at 3980 Hardy Road and I'm also involved with the South Grove Neighborhood Association.

703
00:58:21,690 --> 00:58:28,970
And I do think it's a good idea what the gentleman proposed about dealing with the commercial district separately.

704
00:58:29,650 --> 00:58:41,170
Because that's one of the big problems with the proposal is Lumping NCD2 and NCD3, which NCD3 alone has four different districts altogether.

705
00:58:41,170 --> 00:58:44,970
And those districts are not one size fits all.

706
00:58:45,230 --> 00:58:46,770
They're different, they have different histories,

707
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:48,430
they have different characteristics.

708
00:58:49,090 --> 00:58:52,650
And the people in those districts want their rights respected.

709
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:59,670
Anyway, the profission in section 3.6 G.1 of the existing code

710
00:58:59,670 --> 00:59:04,470
is essential to maintain the diversity of lot sizes and configurations.

711
00:59:04,850 --> 00:59:07,570
That's what Mr. Sessions was just talking about.

712
00:59:07,570 --> 00:59:14,190
It is on the few remaining large sites where most of the sizeable and significantly large

713
00:59:14,190 --> 00:59:15,710
canopy trees thrive.

714
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:20,230
Those kinds of trees don't grow in 40 years, actually.

715
00:59:20,370 --> 00:59:22,810
It takes a long, long time.

716
00:59:24,090 --> 00:59:29,850
It is in their shelter and amongst them that the tropical hammock can exist, street and

717
00:59:29,850 --> 00:59:33,550
or mitigation buffer trees do not make up for the canopy loss.

718
00:59:33,550 --> 00:59:38,670
merely mimic the look of standard issues city scapes everywhere.

719
00:59:39,530 --> 00:59:44,750
The remaining uniquely shaped and size large sites need to be retained.

720
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:50,810
The impetus for the NCD code language found in sections NCD or

721
00:59:50,810 --> 00:59:54,050
stand in sections 3.2 and 3.6.

722
00:59:54,670 --> 00:59:58,410
The intent of the NCD 3 section 3.2 reads,

723
00:59:58,410 --> 00:59:59,970
the community of Koch.

724
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:13,380
On a growth predates the city of Miami, and is known for its character derived from lush landscaping and naturally occurring vegetation and trees, and its unique property sizes and shapes.

725
01:00:14,140 --> 01:00:23,820
In section 3.6, single-family residential district on page 17 and 18 of appendix A, which has to do with the NCD codes.

726
01:00:23,820 --> 01:00:30,320
States, the single-family residential district, is intended to protect the low-density, residential

727
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:35,300
and dominant tree canopy characteristics of coconut grove, and prevent the intrusion

728
01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:37,340
of additional density uses in height.

729
01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:43,580
All T3, single-family residential zoning regulations shall apply within the coconut grove,

730
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,520
single-family residential district.

731
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:56,200
Here and after referred to as ncd3.au, clarifying items, they include a for architecture, b for front yards,

732
01:00:56,620 --> 01:01:05,380
tree canopy, c building sites, d building height, e-green space, permissible FLR, permitted accessory uses and structures.

733
01:01:05,940 --> 01:01:09,320
All of this is already in ncd code.

734
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:18,940
That NCD code takes up all of about 20 pages in the appendix of Miami-21.

735
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:24,580
The part that has to do with NCD 3 is about six pages long.

736
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:25,620
That's it.

737
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:33,960
What the city has proposed is to add approximately 50 pages of meaningless, indistinguishable

738
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,660
language from the rest of Miami-21.

739
01:01:36,660 --> 01:01:39,520
This is not a way to eliminate confusion.

740
01:01:39,860 --> 01:01:45,280
This is a surefire where to add confusion and to kill NCD.

741
01:01:46,260 --> 01:01:47,060
That's the problem.

742
01:01:47,700 --> 01:01:49,020
Let's hear some comments.

743
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,780
Can we feed back on the 50 pages?

744
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:55,880
So we're actually 25.

745
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:57,620
No, you're not.

746
01:01:57,780 --> 01:01:58,980
I counted them.

747
01:01:59,020 --> 01:01:59,740
So did I.

748
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:00,300
Just now.

749
01:02:00,820 --> 01:02:01,980
Well, I've counted them too.

750
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:02,860
Okay.

751
01:02:02,860 --> 01:02:10,000
But I would actually, that does raise a very, very good point about why we are reformating this.

752
01:02:10,540 --> 01:02:19,700
And so this goes way, way back to how the NCD got rolled into Miami 21, which it was sort of just plunked in there.

753
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:24,880
This is caused a lot of heartache that I know you all have experienced firsthand.

754
01:02:25,980 --> 01:02:31,700
So a lot of what we did and a lot of, some of, there's a lot more white space in this document, literally,

755
01:02:31,700 --> 01:02:37,320
because we reformatted it so that the sections align with Miami-21.

756
01:02:37,780 --> 01:02:41,020
This is going to do two very, very, very important things.

757
01:02:41,460 --> 01:02:44,800
It means when our code reviewers are looking at drawings,

758
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:46,840
they're used to a format,

759
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,940
and they can see where the NCD trumps Miami-21.

760
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:56,520
And to the extent where things that were NCD-3,

761
01:02:56,940 --> 01:03:01,200
that were meant to apply to both the single family and the duplex districts,

762
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:07,120
Because of the misalignment in the language, they could no longer be applied to duplex.

763
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:14,680
So that's why we've seen more recently, particularly the duplexes that are very much like sort of looming over the street,

764
01:03:15,100 --> 01:03:16,320
because they've been able to encroach.

765
01:03:17,380 --> 01:03:23,640
And those rules that were meant to be an NCD3 and apply there could no longer legally.

766
01:03:23,940 --> 01:03:30,000
So that's just an example, but I think this is going to improve enforcement just because we're formatting it.

767
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:35,200
are lining it with Miami 21 and set of it sort of reading like a zoning code from a different

768
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:35,480
city.

769
01:03:35,620 --> 01:03:39,420
It's certainly a different era because this was aligned with the 11,000 code.

770
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,320
So I think that does account for some of the length.

771
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:48,720
Some of the confusion about sort of things moved around a bit but it's going to lead to much,

772
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:55,220
much better enforcement on the plans review side and ultimately code enforcement as well

773
01:03:55,220 --> 01:03:59,000
because they're going to be able to reference sections that are consistent with Miami 21.

774
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:05,800
The code was enforced just fine from 2005 to 2016.

775
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,900
During that time, it was enforced just fine.

776
01:04:10,380 --> 01:04:11,780
I'm a regular human.

777
01:04:11,940 --> 01:04:15,720
The reason I know about this code is because I was contemplating in addition.

778
01:04:16,340 --> 01:04:19,700
The builder I spoke was said, here's the NCD code.

779
01:04:20,540 --> 01:04:22,340
I was able to read that.

780
01:04:22,380 --> 01:04:25,000
I was able to understand it.

781
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,440
It was easy.

782
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,800
It needs to remain easy.

783
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,900
This was the objection given in the first place.

784
01:04:32,900 --> 01:04:37,000
This was the rationale for why we need to roll this into Miami-21.

785
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:45,420
Rolling it into Miami-21 takes a conservation district and turns it into just the same old, same old.

786
01:04:45,980 --> 01:04:54,340
And that is a disservice to the oldest and the historic and the beginning of Miami.

787
01:04:54,340 --> 01:04:57,380
It's coconut grove and nobody really wants to do this man.

788
01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:58,460
This man.

789
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:02,400
Thank you.

790
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:03,720
My name is Carol Lopez Bethel.

791
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:05,140
I reside at 39.07.

792
01:05:05,460 --> 01:05:12,260
I came here to speak for myself as well as many of my neighbors who are also frustrated.

793
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,200
As not affect many of you have seen me, including people from the city.

794
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,240
Many times over the last two years.

795
01:05:18,860 --> 01:05:22,480
Our intention was to actually,

796
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:29,500
this discussions with the city began through the frustration of neighbors with the lack of enforcement

797
01:05:29,500 --> 01:05:36,160
of the NCD3 code. The question, the big question was it's confusing. It needs to, we need

798
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:41,500
to have the loopholes removed and we need to have the confusing language removed. What has occurred

799
01:05:41,500 --> 01:05:47,680
in lieu of that after multiple meetings, this is at least my tenth time here, as well as many

800
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:52,740
meetings with Devin from the city of many officials from the city, multiple

801
01:05:52,740 --> 01:06:00,020
chorets and other meetings to come up with a plan entirely in contrast to what

802
01:06:00,020 --> 01:06:05,060
the citizens of Copenic Grove have asked for. I cannot let pass the developer who

803
01:06:05,060 --> 01:06:10,020
just stood up the statement that he made that all we need is to cover the newer

804
01:06:10,020 --> 01:06:15,140
nicer look your buildings with more trees. I cannot let that pass. I

805
01:06:15,140 --> 01:06:18,540
saying, we have ugly houses hidden by more trees.

806
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:24,480
I believe the statement that I would like to bring up is perhaps you've heard, lipstick

807
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:25,440
on a pig.

808
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:31,040
Lipstick on a pig is what adding more trees in front of these buildings, which are taken over

809
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,080
all of our neighbors in CD2 as well as in CD3.

810
01:06:34,580 --> 01:06:40,780
It takes, actually it takes a four and an eight-year-old child, my grandchildren who just

811
01:06:40,780 --> 01:06:44,920
visited me from Washington, DC, who noted the difference in our neighborhood and all the

812
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,960
neighborhoods that they've driven in since they've lived,

813
01:06:48,020 --> 01:06:49,980
which have only been for the past few years.

814
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:54,280
Just take a drive and see what the impact

815
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,460
of allowing these larger homes, which do not allow

816
01:06:57,460 --> 01:07:00,760
tree growth for the canopy, which it's absolutely

817
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:01,220
impossible.

818
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,680
The last time I stood at this podium, excuse me,

819
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,380
I listened to Quattitia Horses for supposedly

820
01:07:06,380 --> 01:07:09,140
protects our cities, for our trees, for the city.

821
01:07:09,420 --> 01:07:14,140
Stand here and say that she allowed several beautiful,

822
01:07:14,140 --> 01:07:22,180
Royal Poms, other trees to be removed because it was inconvenient for the plan that was presented

823
01:07:22,180 --> 01:07:29,580
by the developer. Rather than do her job, enforcement is what we have been asking for.

824
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:35,620
If I don't believe most of these people would be here, if the NCV-2N3 had been enforced

825
01:07:35,620 --> 01:07:42,720
over the years, what we asked for was an improvement not a manipulation to be moved in a

826
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:43,360
direction,

827
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:52,520
to have what we have protected, it is not replaceable. I would volunteer, oh, I will

828
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:57,460
pay for the bus to drive you guys around and show you what I showed my 48 year old kids.

829
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:03,940
It doesn't take a genius, it doesn't take an adult to see, just take an aerial view, go on

830
01:08:03,940 --> 01:08:08,760
Google right now, take an aerial view from five years ago. I've been back in Miami since 2010.

831
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:15,460
And the aerial view from all of Coconut Grove, all of the NCD-2 and 3, to look at the canopy

832
01:08:15,460 --> 01:08:16,060
change.

833
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,460
And this is what we ask you to protect.

834
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,100
And this is what we're here to ask you for now.

835
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:21,400
We ask you for enforcement.

836
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:23,060
Not manipulation.

837
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:24,140
Thank you.

838
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:24,700
Yeah, comments?

839
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:33,400
So one thing I haven't mentioned yet, which is probably the most significant change to the code,

840
01:08:33,740 --> 01:08:38,580
is the increase in the green space requirement to 50% of a lot.

841
01:08:38,580 --> 01:08:45,620
This is a massive increase and this is done primarily to preserve the tree canopy and

842
01:08:46,380 --> 01:08:53,480
And allow for future tree canopy to grow. So the as much as the building volume is important

843
01:08:53,480 --> 01:08:58,740
Anybody any arborist will tell you the root location and the root volume is more important

844
01:08:58,740 --> 01:09:02,180
So increasing this ground level

845
01:09:02,180 --> 01:09:08,460
This coverage for green space to 50% is incredibly significant. It should

846
01:09:08,580 --> 01:09:16,160
Do a couple things it should keep more trees preserve when somebody's building on a new lot as well as

847
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:18,860
increase canopy for

848
01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:21,660
Existing so

849
01:09:21,660 --> 01:09:29,760
Sure, I would like to ask you to tell us how the trees that the city's replacement plan for trees works

850
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,440
We have a fun

851
01:09:31,440 --> 01:09:36,480
That when a developer puts up a takes down a 30-year-old

852
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:41,860
whatever, massive gumbo limbo or a tree that is values for its beauty.

853
01:09:42,580 --> 01:09:48,280
That tree is taken off of a property that has allowed that additional dense FLR or FAR.

854
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:59,880
That tree is not protected, whether or not they offer some sort of so-called guarantee for that tree to be a lot.

855
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,240
That tree dies within three years.

856
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:11,600
The city's fund does not replace the tree on that property, every place that those that the fund goes to pay for trees elsewhere will not

857
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:23,700
It will not put trees on that property where that tree was removed. It does not replace and a like kind tree. It does not replace as other people have said it.

858
01:10:23,700 --> 01:10:30,200
know, you cannot replace 100-year-old oak with a 30 or 40, a 10-year-old oak, or a six-year-old

859
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:36,920
oak, or gumbo limbo, it is not a replacement and these other buffer trees are not making

860
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:37,440
the difference.

861
01:10:37,860 --> 01:10:38,480
Thank you.

862
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:39,620
It's not keeping us around.

863
01:10:39,620 --> 01:10:40,760
It's not keeping us around.

864
01:10:41,620 --> 01:10:47,400
I'd like to mention one other item, so that we didn't incorporate from Mr. Snyder's recommendation

865
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:55,300
actually, which is when a lot is being diminished, they cannot remove specimen trees as part

866
01:10:55,300 --> 01:10:56,400
of that lot to management.

867
01:10:58,100 --> 01:10:58,780
Next speaker, please.

868
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,000
This is new in the regulation.

869
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:04,940
Next speaker, please.

870
01:11:05,220 --> 01:11:05,400
Yes, sir.

871
01:11:05,700 --> 01:11:06,140
Good evening.

872
01:11:06,620 --> 01:11:09,180
My name is James Kishler, 3505.

873
01:11:09,380 --> 01:11:10,020
Could you bring the mic up?

874
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:10,740
There you go.

875
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:11,720
Good evening.

876
01:11:12,220 --> 01:11:16,920
James Kishler, 3505, Wildwood Circle, Campus Skain, Coconut Grove,

877
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:21,300
My wife and I have been living in Coconut Grove for over 35 years.

878
01:11:21,900 --> 01:11:28,960
I attended the last city planning meeting with Mr. Geiger and Mr. Martin and various community district members.

879
01:11:29,620 --> 01:11:35,460
I'm in agreement with Dr. Cindy Snyder's comments and proposal for strengthening the C-NCD code.

880
01:11:35,460 --> 01:11:37,920
I think they distributed it out to you.

881
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:46,900
In particular, the need to better enforce the existing NCD codes by strengthening the Coconut Grove design review criteria.

882
01:11:46,900 --> 01:11:52,340
that is based on three components. Very simple. No increase in density on single

883
01:11:52,340 --> 01:11:59,080
family sites, period. No material decrease in free-cannon period. The compliance

884
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:03,640
was current. Sorry, could you repeat number two? Sorry? Yeah, I couldn't hear the

885
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:11,380
second. The second is no material decrease in canopy, free canopy. And the third is

886
01:12:11,380 --> 01:12:15,080
plans with current city, county and state requirements.

887
01:12:16,060 --> 01:12:20,360
One additional comment that I brought up at the planning department meeting was in regard

888
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:23,400
to the city of Miami's tree mitigation policy.

889
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:29,080
Currently, trees at a building site are assessed, and then mitigated on for replacement

890
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:30,720
trees is required.

891
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:36,460
However, these trees can be placed anywhere in the boundary of the city of Miami Commissioner's

892
01:12:36,460 --> 01:12:36,680
District.

893
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:43,620
A large canopy trees, large canopy trees to provide a distinguishing character to a lot and

894
01:12:43,620 --> 01:12:48,300
our neighborhood can be relocated, changing the quality of tree canopy.

895
01:12:49,180 --> 01:12:54,780
This needs to be stopped and reassessed to provide neighborhood's better protection of their

896
01:12:54,780 --> 01:12:55,900
existing tree canopy.

897
01:12:56,580 --> 01:13:04,240
I live in campus gain, a residential neighborhood of 25 single family lots, off of main highway

898
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:08,940
And what I believe to be the commercial quarter of Coconut Grove.

899
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,740
The campus gained homeowner's association,

900
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,860
presently requires all three mitigation to be done on site.

901
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,820
This should be a starting point for a new Coconut Grove,

902
01:13:19,900 --> 01:13:21,340
three mitigation code.

903
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,160
I strongly urge you the board to deny this

904
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,240
amendment of accordance 13114.

905
01:13:28,740 --> 01:13:29,180
Thank you.

906
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:35,660
I want to hear from the city on, yeah, three comments.

907
01:13:36,440 --> 01:13:44,860
So the regarding the blanket, no increase in density, what I will say is we have greatly

908
01:13:44,860 --> 01:13:51,540
limited the locked eminishment primarily by map as well as by additional criteria.

909
01:13:53,260 --> 01:13:58,980
I think there's real danger in that because that could result in some lot splits being

910
01:13:58,980 --> 01:14:06,160
allowed more lots, because they did historically, there's, you know, there were sort of,

911
01:14:06,180 --> 01:14:11,400
what's the word, aggregations in South Grove where you had multi-family dwellings.

912
01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:21,580
So I believe we did not include that particular criteria, but I think the effect of not

913
01:14:21,580 --> 01:14:26,580
allowing lots less than 7500 square feet for portions of Grove not allowing lots for less than

914
01:14:26,580 --> 01:14:32,400
20,000 square feet for quite a bit of South Grove and even less than 40,000 square feet

915
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:38,740
on a lot of the properties on the bay will have that same effect.

916
01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:48,460
The no decrease in canopy while we are going to, in the latest version, a lot of the

917
01:14:48,460 --> 01:14:53,220
management cannot interfere with any specimen trees, as I said, so that's something that

918
01:14:53,220 --> 01:14:58,580
think is addressing that. We don't intend to mean that, have that mean that like you can't

919
01:14:58,580 --> 01:14:59,980
remove junk trees, you can't.

920
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,060
And remember, like, you know, invasives, you can't remove palms, that sort of thing. But we do want to make sure that

921
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:21,720
no specimen trees are affected by that. As far as enforcing something where we have to relocate or provide mitigation within the NCD,

922
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:29,860
I believe we would need to check on this. I believe we would need to make a change to chapter 17 of the code.

923
01:15:29,860 --> 01:15:33,020
which is the tree ordinance.

924
01:15:35,650 --> 01:15:36,330
Yes, sir.

925
01:15:40,510 --> 01:15:43,310
My name is still William Zelfin, on Berser.

926
01:15:44,010 --> 01:15:46,570
I still live at 32, 60 Thomas Avenue,

927
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:49,410
and I still praise the Lord Jesus.

928
01:15:51,090 --> 01:15:54,230
The gentleman here is, he's got a good ideas,

929
01:15:54,710 --> 01:15:57,510
but we don't have any junk trees that coconut grow.

930
01:15:57,850 --> 01:15:59,890
You can ask any of my people here.

931
01:16:00,570 --> 01:16:02,110
We don't have junk trees.

932
01:16:02,730 --> 01:16:04,290
And we're not concerned about

933
01:16:04,290 --> 01:16:11,170
you're replacing the trees, our concern is the retention of the trees, understand the difference.

934
01:16:11,710 --> 01:16:20,170
And if you, if you will, if you will all take the time to carefully read through Miami 21,

935
01:16:20,890 --> 01:16:27,770
if the spirit of the Miami 21 is enforced, we would need an NCD 2 or 3.

936
01:16:28,030 --> 01:16:33,030
NCD 1 is in good shape, you know, the mayor lives there, so he'll never have any problem.

937
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:41,630
And what I'd like to know is I read through the four and five through the one set

938
01:16:41,630 --> 01:16:47,370
where it'd be submitted that I've been put off for today and what I was looking for

939
01:16:47,370 --> 01:16:48,990
is why I didn't see it at first.

940
01:16:49,590 --> 01:16:54,990
I wanted to read in there where something indicated enforcement.

941
01:16:56,650 --> 01:17:02,830
See you want to change things for what's not being enforced to something that's going to come

942
01:17:02,830 --> 01:17:10,830
But just still not, of course, we don't have a free apartment of agriculture, a free

943
01:17:10,830 --> 01:17:15,290
apartment to go around every couple of years and see if those trees that have been planted

944
01:17:15,290 --> 01:17:16,850
are even still alive.

945
01:17:18,150 --> 01:17:25,890
See, so we're asking for retention of our community and when you look at over the past two

946
01:17:25,890 --> 01:17:32,170
or three decades, the city has been systematically changing the zoning on properties and coconut

947
01:17:32,170 --> 01:17:40,210
I grow from T3R to T3L, and when you do that, you drive up the cost of real estate and

948
01:17:40,210 --> 01:17:46,410
my community, because instead of replacing a single family house with a single family house,

949
01:17:46,910 --> 01:17:52,150
they're now replacing them with $2, 650,000 dollar starter homes.

950
01:17:52,770 --> 01:17:58,970
So it's not that real estate is more expensive, is that your decisions are making it impossible

951
01:17:58,970 --> 01:18:01,450
for the people to remain in this community.

952
01:18:02,650 --> 01:18:09,770
So take the Miami-21 and if you read through the Miami-21 and know for yourselves, like I

953
01:18:09,770 --> 01:18:14,910
do, that if we enforce the spirit of Miami-21, we can throw the MCDs out.

954
01:18:15,570 --> 01:18:16,570
Thank you for your time.

955
01:18:16,930 --> 01:18:17,150
Thank you.

956
01:18:17,550 --> 01:18:18,030
Yes, sir.

957
01:18:19,530 --> 01:18:19,710
Hello.

958
01:18:20,450 --> 01:18:20,550
Hello.

959
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:21,730
My name is Charles Trister.

960
01:18:22,370 --> 01:18:23,850
I'm a resident of the Grove.

961
01:18:23,850 --> 01:18:29,070
I grew up in the Grove and the South Grove and now I live, can you hear me?

962
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:29,470
Yes, I can.

963
01:18:29,870 --> 01:18:33,950
I now I live in the North Grove and I'm also a practicing architect

964
01:18:33,950 --> 01:18:34,790
and a home builder.

965
01:18:35,290 --> 01:18:39,110
I've been building homes currently and for the last

966
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:40,970
on and off 30 years in the Grove.

967
01:18:41,610 --> 01:18:45,050
So I really, I think I love the Grove and I agree with

968
01:18:45,570 --> 01:18:48,350
everyone is saying in general about the tree canopy.

969
01:18:48,850 --> 01:18:52,070
That is something that I think any Grove I can agree on

970
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:55,570
and I think the enforcement of some of our tree ordinances

971
01:18:55,570 --> 01:18:57,770
hasn't been done to the right extent.

972
01:18:58,430 --> 01:19:02,210
But I started looking at the single family home proposals.

973
01:19:03,090 --> 01:19:06,230
And I think after studying them,

974
01:19:06,230 --> 01:19:08,970
and I'm a builder of houses and a designer of houses,

975
01:19:09,290 --> 01:19:10,890
I think they've gone a little too far.

976
01:19:11,390 --> 01:19:12,850
And why do I say that?

977
01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:18,050
I went and I did an analysis of the current proposed

978
01:19:18,050 --> 01:19:20,790
changes on the different size lots.

979
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:25,990
and I passed out, submitted a letter, hopefully you got to see it, and you can look at it later.

980
01:19:26,410 --> 01:19:31,850
Where I did a really detailed analysis, and I think the key thing that Jeremy just mentioned

981
01:19:31,850 --> 01:19:38,910
is the issue of green space. Now the goal, of course, and I share in this goal, we want more

982
01:19:38,910 --> 01:19:44,290
green space. We want to increase the tree canopy. But we have to balance that, and I think

983
01:19:44,290 --> 01:19:47,270
balance is the key word here.

984
01:19:47,690 --> 01:19:53,450
We have to balance it with our individual rights to build whatever type of house we want

985
01:19:53,450 --> 01:19:56,230
to build, whatever style, and with whatever needs.

986
01:19:56,630 --> 01:20:01,850
Many of the houses, every house I can safely say, in the Grove, was a new house at one point.

987
01:20:02,290 --> 01:20:05,790
Whether it was built in 1910, 1920, 1930.

988
01:20:05,790 --> 01:20:11,850
And back then, a regular home was a 1600-1800 square foot home.

989
01:20:11,970 --> 01:20:15,110
It was a two-bedroom one bath in the forties.

990
01:20:15,470 --> 01:20:17,610
That was the soldiers were coming home for more.

991
01:20:17,690 --> 01:20:18,490
That's what they wanted.

992
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:20,230
Maybe it was a three-bedroom.

993
01:20:20,770 --> 01:20:23,850
Many of the homes were very charming in the Grove today,

994
01:20:24,210 --> 01:20:25,270
but they're small homes.

995
01:20:25,850 --> 01:20:29,590
And I think we need to be able to modernize our homes,

996
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:31,810
do additions, build new homes,

997
01:20:31,810 --> 01:20:41,290
And the problem with this current proposal, and I'll just give real quick, I know I'm over my time, but I looked at it, and I studied it from three specific things.

998
01:20:41,810 --> 01:21:01,750
Number one, I think the green space, bringing it from 30 to 50% is two intrusive. Why? Because if you take everything outside of the green space, it not only includes the house, but it includes things like your pool, your patio, your cover chair,

999
01:21:01,750 --> 01:21:09,530
your driveway, your garage, your walkways, that takes up space. People want an outdoor patio and a pool.

1000
01:21:10,090 --> 01:21:14,390
So by the time you take all that away, you're left with a very small house.

1001
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:21,150
So I think my proposal would be the green space should be 40% not 30.

1002
01:21:21,530 --> 01:21:31,730
It's a 33% increase. It accomplishes the purpose, and it still allows us the ability to build the type of homes we want.

1003
01:21:31,730 --> 01:21:34,830
and that the market wants people want new homes.

1004
01:21:34,910 --> 01:21:37,290
Now, if you want an old home and you want to leave,

1005
01:21:37,290 --> 01:21:40,710
live in a 2200 foot home, build God bless you.

1006
01:21:40,910 --> 01:21:42,090
That's what's great about America.

1007
01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:43,870
That's what our constitution says.

1008
01:21:44,230 --> 01:21:45,530
We all have property rights.

1009
01:21:45,970 --> 01:21:46,910
We have the right to do it.

1010
01:21:46,930 --> 01:21:48,390
And there's one other, two other negatives.

1011
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:49,390
I'll just mention quickly.

1012
01:21:50,170 --> 01:21:52,650
One is, I'm very concerned, as someone who's

1013
01:21:52,650 --> 01:21:55,250
in the real estate business, that if we were to pass these

1014
01:21:55,250 --> 01:21:57,370
restrictions and gone a little too far,

1015
01:21:57,870 --> 01:22:00,130
and we won't be able to add on to our houses

1016
01:22:00,130 --> 01:22:04,370
or build new houses to the size that people want.

1017
01:22:04,670 --> 01:22:07,230
It's going to lower everyone's property values.

1018
01:22:07,710 --> 01:22:10,670
And that will hurt a lot of people in this town.

1019
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:15,590
And for many people, their home is their nest egg.

1020
01:22:15,730 --> 01:22:16,810
It's their biggest asset.

1021
01:22:17,690 --> 01:22:18,430
So it's great.

1022
01:22:18,790 --> 01:22:20,090
We have to, again, balance.

1023
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:21,790
And you have its difficult decision.

1024
01:22:22,250 --> 01:22:24,250
On one hand, we want to create a great community

1025
01:22:24,250 --> 01:22:27,070
with trees, with this historic nature.

1026
01:22:27,370 --> 01:22:29,210
But on the other hand, we can't give away

1027
01:22:29,210 --> 01:22:34,990
are fundamental rights to enjoy our property, to build our property, and not our value.

1028
01:22:35,450 --> 01:22:37,790
And one last thing I know I've gone over my time.

1029
01:22:38,610 --> 01:22:45,210
One of the new restrictions in the boardenances to bring the first floor from 50% to 35%

1030
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:47,450
for a lot coverage.

1031
01:22:48,090 --> 01:22:53,690
That can discriminate against three groups of people that I don't think any of us want to discriminate against.

1032
01:22:53,690 --> 01:22:59,150
One is the elderly, the second is handicapped, and the third is young families.

1033
01:22:59,670 --> 01:23:00,630
Why do I say that?

1034
01:23:00,850 --> 01:23:05,470
All three of those groups may generally like a one story house.

1035
01:23:05,890 --> 01:23:09,530
They can't go upstairs, they don't want to go upstairs, they don't want their baby

1036
01:23:09,530 --> 01:23:11,270
falling down the stairs.

1037
01:23:11,790 --> 01:23:19,530
So if we diminish the lot coverage on the first floor to 35%, which the answer is, well, that

1038
01:23:19,530 --> 01:23:20,630
allows more open space.

1039
01:23:20,630 --> 01:23:23,970
It does, but it forces you to build a two story house.

1040
01:23:24,530 --> 01:23:27,050
That is a discrimination against the elderly,

1041
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:28,990
the handicap, and young families.

1042
01:23:29,390 --> 01:23:31,210
We cannot allow that in our community.

1043
01:23:31,950 --> 01:23:34,790
So I thank you and I appreciate your.

1044
01:23:34,830 --> 01:23:35,310
Thank you.

1045
01:23:35,550 --> 01:23:36,110
Yes, sir.

1046
01:23:41,300 --> 01:23:42,640
I funny made a lot of good points.

1047
01:23:42,860 --> 01:23:44,360
I would like to hear in the cities.

1048
01:23:44,440 --> 01:23:44,940
I'm sorry.

1049
01:23:45,100 --> 01:23:48,160
Did you see if you have a feedback on the last speaker's comments?

1050
01:23:50,420 --> 01:23:50,820
We did.

1051
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:52,780
I did meet with Mr. Treaster, actually,

1052
01:23:52,780 --> 01:24:02,500
And for the smaller lots, we did lower the required green space for anything under 10,000 square feet from 50% to 40%.

1053
01:24:02,500 --> 01:24:06,800
We feel in the larger lots that's still going to work fine.

1054
01:24:08,100 --> 01:24:13,220
Regarding the first floor, the main thing, there's two things.

1055
01:24:13,940 --> 01:24:20,000
One is that we feel like, in order for the amount of green space to work, we do need to shrink the building footprint.

1056
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:27,460
Number two is that there have been nearly zero single-family homes built recently in the Grove.

1057
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,060
We literally could not find them.

1058
01:24:30,620 --> 01:24:37,400
So we feel like that is a problem that we don't really have single story.

1059
01:24:38,940 --> 01:24:39,540
What did I say?

1060
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:40,500
I don't know what I said.

1061
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:41,560
Sorry.

1062
01:24:42,060 --> 01:24:42,080
Sorry.

1063
01:24:42,500 --> 01:24:43,500
Single story.

1064
01:24:45,260 --> 01:24:51,180
And that, you know, regarding the green space, it is a significant increase, but that's

1065
01:24:51,180 --> 01:24:56,560
what we feel like we need to do to address the tree canopy, you know, roots matter.

1066
01:24:58,610 --> 01:24:59,370
Yes, sir.

1067
01:24:59,490 --> 01:25:00,730
Subword questions to that.

1068
01:25:00,910 --> 01:25:07,790
Is that, is that 50% requirement include, like he said, the driveway, sidewalks.

1069
01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:15,070
So you still have the 50 percent green space, green space does include mulch, and it doesn't

1070
01:25:15,070 --> 01:25:24,290
mean literally lands, but yeah, driveway, hard-skate, everything else counts, the pool counts

1071
01:25:24,290 --> 01:25:30,450
against the, is the hard-skate portion, and then you have the building footprint that counts

1072
01:25:30,450 --> 01:25:31,170
as lock coverage.

1073
01:25:31,730 --> 01:25:32,390
Thank you.

1074
01:25:33,290 --> 01:25:34,470
Good evening.

1075
01:25:35,190 --> 01:25:36,430
My name is JS Rashid.

1076
01:25:36,670 --> 01:25:38,650
I'm President of the Coconut Grove Village West.

1077
01:25:38,650 --> 01:25:40,190
Homeones and Tennis Association.

1078
01:25:41,370 --> 01:25:45,330
And when I presided as President of the Coconut Grove Collaborative,

1079
01:25:45,690 --> 01:25:51,870
we were the organization that ushered in the first NCD policy,

1080
01:25:52,210 --> 01:25:53,910
which is the NCD II.

1081
01:25:54,330 --> 01:26:02,370
This was a particular concern for the tenure of the historic rest

1082
01:26:02,370 --> 01:26:11,690
residents. And so now that you have a Solomon-like task here to cut the baby in half,

1083
01:26:12,030 --> 01:26:20,390
we have almost conflicting needs and aspirations. And even though we have been given assurances

1084
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:29,510
that it could be accommodated in one broad legislation, inclusive of the NCD2 and 3,

1085
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:37,510
I am still, I still remain concerned that, in the discourse, we are pitting ourselves against each other.

1086
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:45,410
So when I need a cardiologist, I don't go to a podiatrist, and when I need a podiatrist, I don't go to a cardiologist.

1087
01:26:46,250 --> 01:26:51,650
The needs of the historic growth is specific, it's not luxurious.

1088
01:26:52,330 --> 01:26:58,530
And I'm aspirational, and I hope I have the concerns about splitting my lots, and I'm not against that.

1089
01:26:58,530 --> 01:27:11,210
I don't want us as a community to be pitted against each other, but we have particular and unique needs that need to be captured in this policy that we're trying to put forward.

1090
01:27:11,790 --> 01:27:20,410
And I'm speaking, since I'm a representative of the Coconut Grove Village West, I really want my neighbors to have what they want.

1091
01:27:20,410 --> 01:27:29,090
I empathize with them, but I'm speaking with respect to the village west, the historic

1092
01:27:29,090 --> 01:27:33,310
vehement on clay that we need a little bit more density.

1093
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:38,310
And we need the things that are observant about in the other areas.

1094
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:45,270
We also need considerations that I heard if I heard correctly about the 7500 square large

1095
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:47,950
would not qualify for the granny flats or the additions.

1096
01:27:47,950 --> 01:27:53,910
We don't, we want to make sure that as we approach this, that you don't pass us on

1097
01:27:53,910 --> 01:28:01,070
their bus type policy, that we pre-imps our aspirations for having the

1098
01:28:01,070 --> 01:28:04,850
density that we need to drive the cost down so that we can maintain

1099
01:28:04,850 --> 01:28:07,770
our tenure in this neighborhood.

1100
01:28:08,210 --> 01:28:14,510
So, I would like to see if we can have these discussions separated, and that there

1101
01:28:14,510 --> 01:28:20,210
possibility. One of the other concerns that we have is that in one part of this

1102
01:28:20,210 --> 01:28:26,670
NCD omnibus is not acceptable or change it might flow the baby out with the

1103
01:28:26,670 --> 01:28:30,670
bath water. So as we proceed and I'm glad we have the opportunity to have this

1104
01:28:31,690 --> 01:28:37,070
discussion is to reemphasize the particular and unique needs. Look at this

1105
01:28:37,070 --> 01:28:42,570
growth. Look at our parts. Look at our housing. Excuse me. It's like a

1106
01:28:42,570 --> 01:28:49,370
of will is changing. We've been decimated and pushed out as you can see it and it's amazing.

1107
01:28:49,790 --> 01:28:55,550
This is not the same rule that I moved to. And again, the NCTD got started for this

1108
01:28:55,550 --> 01:29:02,130
one purpose and we start off one way and then we get up the road a little bit and it's

1109
01:29:02,130 --> 01:29:09,210
not what we started out about. So I really want this NCTD to finally do something once

1110
01:29:09,210 --> 01:29:10,210
for all.

1111
01:29:11,470 --> 01:29:12,950
Can I have an asking question on Mr. O'Shea?

1112
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:15,250
Yes, sir.

1113
01:29:15,810 --> 01:29:19,670
Do I hear you correctly, but you think that a village west homeowner association

1114
01:29:19,670 --> 01:29:21,950
would have support ADUs?

1115
01:29:22,170 --> 01:29:27,450
I know most of the bulk of the lots in the west grove or 5,000 square feet, 50 by 100.

1116
01:29:27,690 --> 01:29:28,910
There's some 25 by 100.

1117
01:29:29,490 --> 01:29:34,790
But do you seek the village west homeowner's would have support ADUs on 5,000 square

1118
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:35,250
for lots?

1119
01:29:35,250 --> 01:29:41,070
I'm confident because this is 10 amount to our survival and continue to continue.

1120
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:46,450
We have to have it and we affordability is key.

1121
01:29:46,990 --> 01:29:53,030
So yes, I think we need to create a ways we need to application and sometimes my grandson,

1122
01:29:53,290 --> 01:29:59,610
you know, I tell the grandfather and analogies they fall flat, but I'm again, we applied one set.

1123
01:29:59,610 --> 01:29:59,950
is...

1124
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:11,480
One body, one community, but we have different needs. So we need that. I don't want in the den of the discussion that this gets left out.

1125
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:22,560
One of the same lines. Do you think that those west should re-institute plan unit developments, which used to occur in the city, so that you could do cluster homes?

1126
01:30:22,980 --> 01:30:25,700
If we don't, we're not going to be here. Okay. Thank you.

1127
01:30:25,700 --> 01:30:27,020
Okay, thank you.

1128
01:30:27,220 --> 01:30:27,380
Let's go.

1129
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:31,050
May I respond?

1130
01:30:31,930 --> 01:30:33,110
A couple of a couple of points.

1131
01:30:34,590 --> 01:30:42,550
So I just to be clear, every bit of NCD2 has been incorporated and captured in this legislation.

1132
01:30:43,090 --> 01:30:49,310
In fact, we're making a number of things that were problematic about enforcement or just sort

1133
01:30:49,310 --> 01:30:52,050
of missteps in the NCD2.

1134
01:30:52,230 --> 01:30:53,390
We've repaired those.

1135
01:30:54,170 --> 01:31:01,970
I'd also say we are still keeping the regional differences of the growth, north-south central,

1136
01:31:02,970 --> 01:31:03,210
distinct.

1137
01:31:03,430 --> 01:31:06,250
We have a map that discusses the lots splitting by district.

1138
01:31:07,310 --> 01:31:10,650
And also regarding the issue of the coconut growth,

1139
01:31:11,070 --> 01:31:13,350
bid sort of being broken out as a separate element.

1140
01:31:13,630 --> 01:31:17,230
I actually believe the bid is primarily in NCD-3,

1141
01:31:18,550 --> 01:31:21,470
although it might be split down a portion of it.

1142
01:31:21,470 --> 01:31:28,330
But in general, though, I think a lot of the protections that people brought in about trees,

1143
01:31:28,450 --> 01:31:33,010
about green space requirements, about shrinking building volumes,

1144
01:31:33,930 --> 01:31:38,870
that those are all elements that maybe weren't first and foremost in the West Grove

1145
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:42,810
and the sort of list of requirements, you know, starting with affordability,

1146
01:31:44,030 --> 01:31:47,490
but obviously will be beneficial to West Grove as well.

1147
01:31:51,190 --> 01:31:56,710
One of the things that we're concerned about the design standards, it took a while, they

1148
01:31:56,710 --> 01:31:57,410
got lost.

1149
01:31:58,750 --> 01:32:03,870
And we spent many years in cooperation with the University of Miami School of Architecture,

1150
01:32:03,910 --> 01:32:11,230
Center for Urban and Community Design, and Dr. Samino Koreshi and Richard Shepherd helped

1151
01:32:11,230 --> 01:32:17,690
us in a series of focus groups that come up with a comprehensive design standards that was

1152
01:32:19,650 --> 01:32:27,590
And this has to be part of it in sympathical with the Coconut Grove Park, a homeowner's

1153
01:32:27,590 --> 01:32:28,070
association.

1154
01:32:28,510 --> 01:32:33,310
They are supportive of this, and Mr. Coleman wrote something that he's going to pass out

1155
01:32:33,310 --> 01:32:38,470
that we can sign on to, but it has to be attended with the, oh yes.

1156
01:32:38,690 --> 01:32:41,310
This is the Coconut Grove Grand Avenue Vision and Plan.

1157
01:32:41,610 --> 01:32:45,970
This has to be incorporated into the NCT 2.

1158
01:32:45,970 --> 01:32:54,030
The design standards, which are enforceable and specific and codified, if we don't have it,

1159
01:32:54,710 --> 01:32:57,090
then we're just wasting a class of amount of time.

1160
01:32:57,630 --> 01:33:02,450
So we have incorporated those by name by the actual name of the document.

1161
01:33:02,570 --> 01:33:07,410
So it's another way we're improving this beyond NCD2, which Mr. Mr. Mistana.

1162
01:33:07,670 --> 01:33:07,970
Thank you.

1163
01:33:11,900 --> 01:33:16,100
I'm sorry, but excuse me, there was a question earlier that I don't think you answered

1164
01:33:16,100 --> 01:33:22,480
about splitting the commercial from the residential presentation and I don't recall you mentioning

1165
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:23,140
that.

1166
01:33:23,460 --> 01:33:26,780
So, yeah, the bid is actually captured in NCD3.

1167
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:33,040
We would prefer to run it together because we feel like we've captured the issues of the

1168
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:33,680
bid.

1169
01:33:34,460 --> 01:33:40,480
We need to present that to them still, but their master plan was also just recently adopted.

1170
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:50,420
And it would be certainly, I mean, I think it could delay things considerably overall trying

1171
01:33:50,420 --> 01:34:00,600
to carve that out and I'm not sure to what effect, you know, the sort of, it would be quite

1172
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:01,400
a bit of headache.

1173
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:09,700
It would actually be carved out of both NCT 2 and 3 and I don't know what we'd be gaining

1174
01:34:09,700 --> 01:34:11,200
from that.

1175
01:34:11,220 --> 01:34:14,800
Several speakers, including the bid, have mentioned that.

1176
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:19,160
So it seems to be a concern as to...

1177
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:19,780
I thought you were...

1178
01:34:19,780 --> 01:34:20,260
I thought you were.

1179
01:34:21,660 --> 01:34:23,880
The neighborhoods and the business district.

1180
01:34:24,820 --> 01:34:26,060
But specifically the bid.

1181
01:34:26,420 --> 01:34:32,480
I think it's because the bid intersects with the other two NCDs.

1182
01:34:32,700 --> 01:34:33,380
Don't quote me on that.

1183
01:34:33,500 --> 01:34:35,240
I know it intersects with three.

1184
01:34:36,440 --> 01:34:45,340
So, also because I think we've incorporated the concerns now, I do have meeting scheduled with members of the bid.

1185
01:34:46,140 --> 01:34:52,000
I believe this week or next week, and I've met with certain members of them already.

1186
01:34:55,340 --> 01:34:57,240
And then regarding the...

1187
01:34:58,100 --> 01:35:00,340
I think they're meeting April 10th, have I recall?

1188
01:35:00,620 --> 01:35:01,040
Yeah.

1189
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:02,480
Are you meeting with them at that meeting?

1190
01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:06,840
I believe I'm meeting with that if that meeting, but I might have one previous to it as well

1191
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:11,420
or maybe it's with certain members I'd have to have to have a chat with the board as a whole and

1192
01:35:11,420 --> 01:35:18,280
into members significantly different and then regarding regarding the commercial areas you know

1193
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:23,680
there's regulations that apply to the bid but these are also regulations that apply to 27 like

1194
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:30,700
That's not the only area that's sort of T5, T6 zone.

1195
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:33,840
It would be an odd carve out.

1196
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:35,360
Thanks, sir.

1197
01:35:36,440 --> 01:35:41,480
I do think in less it's changed that the bid is only in the NCD3.

1198
01:35:42,220 --> 01:35:47,280
The NCD2 historically is always excluded for varying reasons.

1199
01:35:48,020 --> 01:35:49,360
Yeah, I don't have a map, sir.

1200
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:58,600
But it might talk to Mr. Rashid about his ideas for the bid as well and be included to the DD2.

1201
01:36:01,970 --> 01:36:02,370
Thank you.

1202
01:36:02,530 --> 01:36:03,830
My name is Anthony Pop.

1203
01:36:03,870 --> 01:36:07,370
I live on two, three, four, five, six months of laying.

1204
01:36:07,670 --> 01:36:10,450
I've been a resident of Coconut Grove for over eight years.

1205
01:36:10,750 --> 01:36:14,230
My concern with this legislation is that it's just on with two broad strokes.

1206
01:36:15,170 --> 01:36:17,750
Just like the two speakers before me commented,

1207
01:36:18,730 --> 01:36:28,590
Each individual community is unique and needs to be looked at specifically, there are going to be certain neighborhoods where it might be beneficial to split lots, there are certain neighborhoods where it might not be.

1208
01:36:29,770 --> 01:36:35,310
But without question, there are going to be two poor effects from this legislation.

1209
01:36:35,470 --> 01:36:43,670
One is that my property rights will be in front of upon, if I have the ability to not build the same structure that I would have been able to build before.

1210
01:36:43,670 --> 01:36:48,030
And in addition, I share concerns about the design of the neighborhood.

1211
01:36:48,390 --> 01:36:51,370
So I would vote for Strictor enforcement of the current laws,

1212
01:36:51,910 --> 01:36:54,310
Strictor enforcement of the current code for design,

1213
01:36:54,810 --> 01:36:59,730
Strictor enforcement for landscaping and for our tree canopy,

1214
01:36:59,950 --> 01:37:02,550
which is wildly important to the coconut grow if I agree.

1215
01:37:03,410 --> 01:37:06,910
But where I disagree is that by putting in specific limits,

1216
01:37:07,050 --> 01:37:10,570
by reducing specific limits for renovations,

1217
01:37:10,930 --> 01:37:12,110
we're actually going to make an improvement.

1218
01:37:12,110 --> 01:37:17,250
And so I worry that the new code and it's very different forms that actually reduce

1219
01:37:17,250 --> 01:37:21,890
a lot of coverage, still are not going to please a lot of the residents that are unhappy

1220
01:37:21,890 --> 01:37:24,250
with the white boxes in that current form.

1221
01:37:25,370 --> 01:37:31,910
My specific case is I live on a 5,000 square foot lot, whether I have an old home, it was built

1222
01:37:31,910 --> 01:37:33,210
in the 1940s.

1223
01:37:33,250 --> 01:37:37,410
I've had roof leaks, I've had thermites, homes need to be repaired and at some point

1224
01:37:37,410 --> 01:37:39,090
homes might need major work.

1225
01:37:39,090 --> 01:37:46,030
If major work at some point takes the place of a new construction, which is 2400 square feet, it is going to be two stories.

1226
01:37:46,210 --> 01:37:51,030
If the new construction takes place of 3,000 square feet, and it's still going to be three stories.

1227
01:37:52,350 --> 01:37:55,290
In both cases, people that think it's ugly are going to think it's ugly.

1228
01:37:55,510 --> 01:38:02,390
It's not really going to affect the pleasure of walking down the street, just by adjusting the lock coverage.

1229
01:38:03,010 --> 01:38:07,430
So instead, I would vote for improved and more time spent on design.

1230
01:38:07,430 --> 01:38:08,430
Thank you.

1231
01:38:09,690 --> 01:38:10,530
Thank you.

1232
01:38:11,710 --> 01:38:12,410
Ladies and gentlemen.

1233
01:38:12,490 --> 01:38:17,990
Marcellular Fernandez, 35, 23, North Bay Homestrive, and I'm a grove-vite in the

1234
01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:19,350
sense I've been here all my life.

1235
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:21,170
I'm also a real-state broker.

1236
01:38:21,450 --> 01:38:22,670
I'm also a real-state developer.

1237
01:38:22,910 --> 01:38:25,290
And recently I became the chair of the Coconut Grove Reel's Council.

1238
01:38:25,930 --> 01:38:34,050
And I have been dealing with code and applying the code to properties for my whole life.

1239
01:38:34,050 --> 01:38:39,210
And it's very difficult and different to talk and broad strokes about what's good and bad and what I don't like.

1240
01:38:39,210 --> 01:38:44,210
What I've been hearing in the last two years is when people start talking about this is not good.

1241
01:38:45,010 --> 01:38:50,390
It's, you know, it's too restrictive or not too restrictive enough because you cannot do one broad stroke, like the gentleman said.

1242
01:38:51,010 --> 01:38:57,730
On the flip side, I'm looking into right now doing some research on the amount of the, the NZD does need to be changed.

1243
01:38:57,750 --> 01:39:01,110
This was all started by the public. It was not started by the city.

1244
01:39:01,110 --> 01:39:06,950
The public wanted to change it happen and the cities take in the step to do that so I have to come in them on that

1245
01:39:07,770 --> 01:39:09,690
The problems happening here is that

1246
01:39:10,490 --> 01:39:16,170
If you don't have clear cut rules that is much harder to enforce so step one is that

1247
01:39:16,530 --> 01:39:22,290
Clean up the CND and clean up the codes was more easier to understand and clean cut and they're doing a map

1248
01:39:22,290 --> 01:39:28,710
And they're doing things that are good second step will be enforcement obviously in force, and it's not with a plan to farm as a whole of the department

1249
01:39:28,710 --> 01:39:37,730
I'm looking into right now, even creating a special person in the department that would be taking a control of every application that comes to the grove.

1250
01:39:38,190 --> 01:39:40,690
Because the grove is unique, lots are unique.

1251
01:39:41,450 --> 01:39:46,990
For one perfect example, I did develop a single story home last year on a seminar on a square foot lot.

1252
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:52,990
It was only 3,200 square feet. It did include a basement, and I got over $700 a foot for that.

1253
01:39:52,990 --> 01:39:57,890
want to for $2 million. So it can be done. Why did it go for that price? Because the architecture

1254
01:39:57,890 --> 01:40:03,510
was correct and the space plan was well done. And if you don't restrict people to start

1255
01:40:03,510 --> 01:40:07,410
being more creative and use more architectural features for it, then they're going to get lazy

1256
01:40:07,410 --> 01:40:11,850
and just build gross square footage. So I understand why they're trying to limit these things

1257
01:40:11,850 --> 01:40:17,890
because it makes sense for that. What we do have to do is do specifics. One last point is what's

1258
01:40:17,890 --> 01:40:21,590
good in auxiliary units for these flats.

1259
01:40:21,910 --> 01:40:23,590
If you're going to go to St. God and a $7,000,000

1260
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:27,010
square foot lot, and you can only build $35,000 square feet.

1261
01:40:27,010 --> 01:40:28,730
You're going to be pulling $3,500,000, $3,500.

1262
01:40:29,070 --> 01:40:32,370
You're not going to spend $400 square feet for a flat

1263
01:40:32,370 --> 01:40:33,650
for a U.M. kid to rent.

1264
01:40:33,710 --> 01:40:35,230
You're going to put a family room in that house.

1265
01:40:35,630 --> 01:40:37,590
So the market's going to control all of these things.

1266
01:40:37,970 --> 01:40:40,790
So we have to be very specific on density.

1267
01:40:41,250 --> 01:40:43,630
It's going to happen in the right place, and they're promoting it

1268
01:40:43,630 --> 01:40:44,350
in the right places.

1269
01:40:44,350 --> 01:40:48,110
of auxiliary units need to happen, and needs to be in incentive for old homes.

1270
01:40:48,250 --> 01:40:51,190
If you're going to keep your old home on the site, then have the incentive of putting

1271
01:40:51,190 --> 01:40:52,150
auxiliary units on there.

1272
01:40:52,250 --> 01:40:55,610
Then you can have a 2500 square foot home that's existing, and put a 400 square foot.

1273
01:40:55,990 --> 01:40:57,630
But if you're in the wrong zone and you can't do that.

1274
01:40:57,910 --> 01:41:04,230
So if you have a person dedicated to the code of NCD, which right now you go to the

1275
01:41:04,230 --> 01:41:08,370
zoning department, CDMAME, I know more about the NCD than the zoning processes they're doing.

1276
01:41:08,410 --> 01:41:09,070
That's a problem.

1277
01:41:09,690 --> 01:41:13,970
So if they have somebody dedicated to that that come out and actually looks at every property

1278
01:41:13,970 --> 01:41:19,530
And look at every situation, then you can allow a waiver process to come in and say, okay, we only allow 35%

1279
01:41:19,530 --> 01:41:23,250
lot coverage, but in your situation, when you're asking for 40 on this lot, with this tree in this

1280
01:41:23,250 --> 01:41:27,750
condition, it's be good for if you can do a single story home. So that cannot be left out. Right now,

1281
01:41:27,870 --> 01:41:31,950
if you want to do a waiver process, it's way too long, way too cumbersome. If we streamline it,

1282
01:41:32,010 --> 01:41:36,290
it has somebody that's going out there and understanding the codes that it does, I'm all for

1283
01:41:36,290 --> 01:41:40,930
because we'll get to where we want to do and create more creative architecture. Thank you.

1284
01:41:46,290 --> 01:41:52,950
My name is Lisa Zetter, I live in Coconut Grove, I live on Kuhukuchi Street and several of my

1285
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:58,370
neighbors, raise your hand. These are my neighbors who came because they want to be here,

1286
01:41:58,490 --> 01:42:03,230
they're very concerned. Also about what's happening in the North Grove and Coconut Grove,

1287
01:42:03,850 --> 01:42:09,690
we are personally being afflicted by a house that's across the street from where we live.

1288
01:42:09,690 --> 01:42:18,150
It was zoned for a single lot, and the house is a historic home, and there's a huge oak tree on it.

1289
01:42:18,410 --> 01:42:26,070
Over the last three years since someone bought the house, it's been slowly being chiseled away this under-year-old oak tree,

1290
01:42:26,410 --> 01:42:31,330
because he can't build two houses on the lot. It's only one in the oak trees in the way.

1291
01:42:32,210 --> 01:42:39,110
So we recently came to a meeting where they said that the house will be demolished because it's an unsafe structure.

1292
01:42:39,110 --> 01:42:42,970
It's been totally ignored for the last two years.

1293
01:42:43,290 --> 01:42:45,690
It feels like it's a total set up.

1294
01:42:45,950 --> 01:42:47,030
The house was beautiful.

1295
01:42:47,230 --> 01:42:47,750
It's historic.

1296
01:42:48,350 --> 01:42:50,670
There's no trees on the lot right now.

1297
01:42:51,790 --> 01:42:53,830
It will be zoned for two houses.

1298
01:42:54,070 --> 01:42:54,730
We know that.

1299
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:55,370
We see it.

1300
01:42:55,530 --> 01:42:57,470
It's like the writings on the wall.

1301
01:42:58,510 --> 01:43:01,650
I recently ran into the owner and asked them what's happening

1302
01:43:01,650 --> 01:43:03,430
because it's a total isor.

1303
01:43:03,530 --> 01:43:06,270
We open our front door and we see this property.

1304
01:43:06,270 --> 01:43:09,570
and he said to me, quote, unquote,

1305
01:43:10,210 --> 01:43:12,630
the house will be torn down and demolished.

1306
01:43:13,030 --> 01:43:17,810
The oak tree is coming down and I'm building two big townhouses on it

1307
01:43:17,810 --> 01:43:19,230
and you won't be able to see this guy.

1308
01:43:19,890 --> 01:43:22,430
Now, if you just trying to irritate me, you know,

1309
01:43:22,490 --> 01:43:25,990
and push my buttons, okay, that's one thing, but maybe it's true.

1310
01:43:26,570 --> 01:43:30,090
We don't know, but we are really concerned, again,

1311
01:43:30,210 --> 01:43:34,150
we live all around this property off of Tigrato.

1312
01:43:34,150 --> 01:43:38,230
And it's in our backyards and in our front yard.

1313
01:43:39,170 --> 01:43:44,010
And so I just wanted to share that I am personally and my neighbors are being afflicted

1314
01:43:44,010 --> 01:43:46,550
by what's happening and are really concerned.

1315
01:43:48,030 --> 01:43:48,150
Thanks.

1316
01:43:48,150 --> 01:43:48,790
Thank you.

1317
01:43:49,010 --> 01:43:49,470
That's all.

1318
01:43:51,230 --> 01:43:51,790
Good evening.

1319
01:43:52,270 --> 01:43:56,490
Linda Alder, 2784, Southwest 29,000, 33133.

1320
01:43:56,970 --> 01:44:01,010
I want to address specifically the West Grove.

1321
01:44:01,010 --> 01:44:08,870
Now, as hopefully all of you know, the Head Board had their first preliminary approval

1322
01:44:09,610 --> 01:44:17,890
of the multiple property-thematic designation for homes that are whipped for in vernacular,

1323
01:44:17,890 --> 01:44:20,730
including the shotguns, Shacks, and the West Grove.

1324
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:28,530
At the public meeting, which was held on March 20th at Armbrister Park, and I know some

1325
01:44:28,530 --> 01:44:34,650
the people in the room were president that meeting. One of the suggestions to the people because

1326
01:44:34,650 --> 01:44:38,630
there is no opt-out right now. One of the suggestions to the people in the room that are property

1327
01:44:38,630 --> 01:44:48,290
owners was, yes, you have a 750 square foot house, maybe up to 1,000. But you know what? We're

1328
01:44:48,290 --> 01:44:57,670
going to let y'all put and sell our units, Granny Flas. And my question to Jeremy that night was

1329
01:44:58,810 --> 01:44:59,970
I read in the...

1330
01:45:00,270 --> 01:45:07,790
Overlay that granny flats were for lots, larger than 7,500 square feet. And the majority of the

1331
01:45:07,790 --> 01:45:14,230
lots that we're talking about for at least 51 to now I understand the number has grown 61 possibly

1332
01:45:14,230 --> 01:45:19,750
properties that are going to probably be forced to become historically designated for perpetuity.

1333
01:45:21,090 --> 01:45:28,390
If there isn't an exception carved out for them, then that 7,500 square feet minimum,

1334
01:45:28,390 --> 01:45:33,850
not size means those people don't get to put ancillary unit that's needs to be addressed.

1335
01:45:34,990 --> 01:45:36,450
So I'd be happy to be.

1336
01:45:36,450 --> 01:45:36,770
Thank you.

1337
01:45:37,810 --> 01:45:42,390
The intent is for the language to read, and I'm sorry this wasn't clear, as it if a home

1338
01:45:42,390 --> 01:45:46,870
is designated, they are by right allowed to have an auxiliary unit.

1339
01:45:47,550 --> 01:45:52,890
So this is something we want to do to incentivize people to designate homes.

1340
01:45:52,890 --> 01:46:05,990
I think as the statement was earlier that the NCD, it's an overlay to it's like a compromise towards historic districts.

1341
01:46:06,570 --> 01:46:14,450
I think we've seen that sort of awkwardly applied and it works much better when people just designate if it's worth designating.

1342
01:46:15,210 --> 01:46:19,530
So we want to give a carrot for that in the form of the ADUs as well.

1343
01:46:19,530 --> 01:46:22,450
But in the case, it's part of the strictness.

1344
01:46:22,790 --> 01:46:24,670
It's by, by home.

1345
01:46:24,910 --> 01:46:27,610
I mean, there are, there's a historic district in the Grove.

1346
01:46:28,010 --> 01:46:28,410
Now, OK.

1347
01:46:28,570 --> 01:46:31,270
But in particular, it's not a district.

1348
01:46:31,530 --> 01:46:31,750
Right.

1349
01:46:31,850 --> 01:46:33,330
But that's not a district that's multi-building.

1350
01:46:33,690 --> 01:46:35,130
So I don't want there to be misunderstood.

1351
01:46:36,210 --> 01:46:38,290
Those terms that are less than 7,500.

1352
01:46:38,930 --> 01:46:39,710
No, no, no.

1353
01:46:40,050 --> 01:46:43,550
The, the, the, the lot size limitation does not apply to the store.

1354
01:46:43,670 --> 01:46:44,530
Those, OK.

1355
01:46:44,650 --> 01:46:44,910
Correct.

1356
01:46:45,010 --> 01:46:47,230
And we might need to clarify that language to make it.

1357
01:46:47,390 --> 01:46:48,010
Thank you.

1358
01:46:48,190 --> 01:46:48,690
Thank you.

1359
01:46:48,690 --> 01:46:57,770
Yes ma'am. Yes sir. Yes, how you doing? My name is Matt Radalante. My fourth generation Miami native and I live on to

1360
01:46:57,770 --> 01:47:11,070
Questalane, 2394 Coliseum to Questa and you know me and my wife been living there since 2005 and saving our savings to be able to build our our dream home for our family.

1361
01:47:12,290 --> 01:47:16,650
You know right now the change is from Miami 21 they were already existing.

1362
01:47:16,650 --> 01:47:23,730
I mean, you're looking at a lot coverage of a 60% decrease in what we're going to be able to do.

1363
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:28,110
Green ratio is a 67% increase in the green rate ratio.

1364
01:47:28,790 --> 01:47:32,570
And the first floor is a 43% decrease in what we can do in the first floor.

1365
01:47:35,150 --> 01:47:38,950
Yeah, a lot of people here already have their houses and they're already happy in their

1366
01:47:38,950 --> 01:47:39,190
houses.

1367
01:47:39,350 --> 01:47:40,610
They're living the way they want to live.

1368
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:44,750
I bought my house thinking that I would be able to build a beautiful house for my wife

1369
01:47:44,750 --> 01:47:49,610
my family going forward, you know, right now my children are not going to have to, they're not

1370
01:47:49,610 --> 01:47:53,390
going to be able to get a pool, you know, if we have that green ratio.

1371
01:47:55,370 --> 01:47:57,450
You know, we have small lots in the group.

1372
01:47:57,810 --> 01:48:02,130
I know there's lots of trees, I don't have any of those trees on my property, but I'm still

1373
01:48:02,130 --> 01:48:06,990
going to have to, you know, leave room for a 40-year-old oak that's going to be there in 40

1374
01:48:06,990 --> 01:48:11,230
years and I'm not going to be able to build a home that's, you know, commensurate with my

1375
01:48:11,230 --> 01:48:19,710
family and what were, you know, our goals were, you know, in essence, it's a taking, it's a

1376
01:48:19,710 --> 01:48:24,110
large taking, it's over 50% taking and what we could do with our property. It's a taking

1377
01:48:24,110 --> 01:48:28,530
a property value. You know, my family has been involved in a lot of real estate transactions

1378
01:48:28,530 --> 01:48:31,910
over the years and the government has taken properties from us at times and it's an

1379
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:36,870
eminent domain situation. And, you know, just because the city hasn't been so forced, you

1380
01:48:36,870 --> 01:48:40,690
know, forthright and providing parks for people, you know, people are trying to make

1381
01:48:40,690 --> 01:48:43,350
are properties, parks for everybody else, right?

1382
01:48:43,350 --> 01:48:44,890
And I get it, you know, trees are great.

1383
01:48:45,230 --> 01:48:45,830
I love trees.

1384
01:48:46,110 --> 01:48:47,870
I live in the Grove because I love it there.

1385
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:50,530
And part of it is the character of the trees.

1386
01:48:52,570 --> 01:48:56,810
It doesn't make sense to have private property owners have to provide

1387
01:48:56,810 --> 01:49:00,890
park space for everybody else around them and suffer the loss of

1388
01:49:00,890 --> 01:49:04,450
property values in the face of that.

1389
01:49:05,890 --> 01:49:09,850
So it seems like it's more of a enforcement issue down the street

1390
01:49:09,850 --> 01:49:14,490
from us, you know, somebody after the storm just started, you know, chopping down the trees and

1391
01:49:14,490 --> 01:49:15,910
acting like the storm knocked them over.

1392
01:49:17,370 --> 01:49:21,770
You know, there's been multiple, you know, sites that have been developed around our neighborhood.

1393
01:49:22,510 --> 01:49:27,770
And these beautiful old trees have just been chopped down and nothing has been done about it.

1394
01:49:27,910 --> 01:49:30,410
And I agree with all the mitigation of the trees.

1395
01:49:30,490 --> 01:49:32,310
And I think there's ways we can do that.

1396
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:36,750
But I don't think just decreasing the amount of house that you have to build or that you get

1397
01:49:36,750 --> 01:49:42,050
build. It's unfair, you know, some people worry built their houses, you know, and you know,

1398
01:49:42,190 --> 01:49:47,930
I might not be able to build a home that's like maybe over 60% of the other homes I've been

1399
01:49:47,930 --> 01:49:53,570
built in the last, you know, 10 years in our neighborhood. And it's a very sudden thing too, you

1400
01:49:53,570 --> 01:49:59,310
know, and I guess that's all I have to say. Thank you.

1401
01:49:59,310 --> 01:50:00,290
Good

1402
01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:08,660
afternoon. I'm Linda Williams. I live at 35, 23 Charles Avenue.

1403
01:50:10,780 --> 01:50:11,980
The consensus of village

1404
01:50:11,980 --> 01:50:22,340
West community is to not combine the NCT 2 with NCT 3 making it one. Primarily

1405
01:50:22,340 --> 01:50:26,280
because our communities are unique.

1406
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:31,440
Village West needs protection of a history,

1407
01:50:32,340 --> 01:50:36,600
character, culture, and sincere concern

1408
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:39,280
for its longstanding residents.

1409
01:50:40,740 --> 01:50:42,840
I want to emphasize culture.

1410
01:50:44,480 --> 01:50:45,640
We have a culture.

1411
01:50:47,180 --> 01:50:51,320
Unlike others, we live in our homes

1412
01:50:51,320 --> 01:51:02,160
a long time, we're not interested so much in living there short while and replacing it, flipping it.

1413
01:51:02,440 --> 01:51:10,800
This was an area designed not long ago as a T-U-A targeted urban area.

1414
01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:18,360
This was an area where African Americans were to live, and we did.

1415
01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:22,440
Now, there's over development.

1416
01:51:23,580 --> 01:51:26,840
We can't afford what's in our community,

1417
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:34,700
largely because of the big boxes and lack of enforcement.

1418
01:51:35,580 --> 01:51:39,980
What I'm hearing over and over is lack of enforcement.

1419
01:51:39,980 --> 01:51:52,780
The NCD2 was created for purpose and should stand alone to continue to protect the residents of village west.

1420
01:51:53,380 --> 01:51:56,000
It's history and it's culture.

1421
01:51:57,440 --> 01:52:03,980
There's too much development if it needs to be strengthened, which I'm told it has them,

1422
01:52:04,480 --> 01:52:10,280
than which strengthened it, but I don't think we should separate it or combine it.

1423
01:52:10,540 --> 01:52:11,360
Thank you.

1424
01:52:11,500 --> 01:52:11,900
Thank you.

1425
01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:20,500
Hi, I'm John Norton, 35-80 Royal Palm Avenue.

1426
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:23,640
And I ask the question, why are we here?

1427
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:26,760
It's over development and an alarming rate.

1428
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:31,800
I'm 4 generations in Miami, also 1100 year house, 100 year old house.

1429
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:35,620
I grew up on St. God's Road and I've lived in my house for 30 years.

1430
01:52:36,460 --> 01:52:40,800
I'd like to talk about affordable housing project that was big about 30, 40 years ago.

1431
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:42,360
It's called the St. Hughes Promptory.

1432
01:52:44,530 --> 01:52:47,730
And that is turned into not affordable housing anymore.

1433
01:52:48,390 --> 01:52:50,970
It was built on a corner of Franklin and Douglas Road.

1434
01:52:52,070 --> 01:52:54,290
I'd also like to mention talk about development.

1435
01:52:54,290 --> 01:52:56,210
I have a friend I had dinner with last night.

1436
01:52:57,170 --> 01:52:58,190
He's a very street.

1437
01:52:58,390 --> 01:53:01,250
And the light pollution from Park Grove is astounding.

1438
01:53:01,490 --> 01:53:02,850
They turn the lights on yesterday.

1439
01:53:03,770 --> 01:53:05,250
And the whole neighborhood lights up.

1440
01:53:05,250 --> 01:53:10,070
Up zoning, therefore, puts more units in the same space.

1441
01:53:10,190 --> 01:53:15,050
We need to support the court-tested curl-gables code and make it very simple.

1442
01:53:15,270 --> 01:53:17,870
I think the complicated aspect gives a confusion.

1443
01:53:18,850 --> 01:53:19,610
And that's true.

1444
01:53:23,690 --> 01:53:26,250
Ancillary buildings crowd lots and neighbors,

1445
01:53:26,350 --> 01:53:30,270
traffic and cars on the soil basically creates a real traffic problem.

1446
01:53:30,270 --> 01:53:32,290
I live on Royal Palm.

1447
01:53:32,750 --> 01:53:36,630
The pedestrian light at Hi-Buscus and Main Highway is turned into a traffic light.

1448
01:53:36,630 --> 01:53:45,790
It was there in the 60s and now it draws people down, and you have to stand out of the way for the SUVs and arranged robbers coming down to take to children to the Catholic school.

1449
01:53:47,350 --> 01:53:52,990
We should avoid combining NCD2 and 3 from what this lady talked about.

1450
01:53:53,070 --> 01:53:54,830
I think that two entirely separate communities.

1451
01:53:55,390 --> 01:53:58,750
It's a small step to doplex, similar single-family homes.

1452
01:53:59,410 --> 01:54:01,930
And I guess we need to protect our homes.

1453
01:54:01,930 --> 01:54:06,030
and NCD2 has different needs than NCD3.

1454
01:54:06,570 --> 01:54:08,490
Why are we redoing NCD3 at all?

1455
01:54:08,730 --> 01:54:11,350
A disparity in a lot of size should not invite abuse,

1456
01:54:12,130 --> 01:54:14,450
in case the house is on multiple watts.

1457
01:54:15,090 --> 01:54:16,430
And I thank you very much for the time.

1458
01:54:25,170 --> 01:54:26,670
Next week we're going to.

1459
01:54:26,670 --> 01:54:28,310
My name is Carol Garvin.

1460
01:54:28,870 --> 01:54:31,050
I live at 1815 Taggartale.

1461
01:54:31,170 --> 01:54:31,890
I'm sorry, ma'am.

1462
01:54:31,970 --> 01:54:33,470
You need to bring the mic closer.

1463
01:54:33,770 --> 01:54:34,970
It's very hard to hear you.

1464
01:54:36,130 --> 01:54:36,790
This, okay.

1465
01:54:37,610 --> 01:54:39,190
My name is Carol Garvin.

1466
01:54:39,190 --> 01:54:43,850
I live at 1815 Taggart, I lived here 50 years.

1467
01:54:44,750 --> 01:54:45,810
I've seen a lot of changes.

1468
01:54:47,470 --> 01:54:53,370
I have a question for you because I know this concerns affordable housing.

1469
01:54:54,610 --> 01:54:59,190
What is the price range of this affordable housing going to be?

1470
01:54:59,410 --> 01:55:00,730
I'm curious about that.

1471
01:55:01,270 --> 01:55:03,130
Can you tell me that?

1472
01:55:03,830 --> 01:55:11,970
So the units that would be allowed by the density bonus are going to be, there's two tiers.

1473
01:55:12,270 --> 01:55:18,210
There's one that's worked, that's tied to workforce housing level and the other one that's tied to low income housing level.

1474
01:55:18,690 --> 01:55:21,210
So those are tied to county numbers.

1475
01:55:23,330 --> 01:55:27,830
So I would have to check my references to give you an accurate number.

1476
01:55:27,830 --> 01:55:36,830
But I believe for the low-income rate, it's between nine and 1200 depending on the number of bedrooms.

1477
01:55:38,430 --> 01:55:44,770
And that's about 40% higher for the workforce housing.

1478
01:55:46,090 --> 01:55:54,130
So I can get with you and show you the exact numbers that are based on the, it's tied to the county's average median income.

1479
01:55:54,130 --> 01:56:08,260
Well, the thing that I don't understand is why would you want to put workforce housing in

1480
01:56:08,260 --> 01:56:16,460
like North and South Grove where the property alone no matter how you do it when you split

1481
01:56:16,460 --> 01:56:18,520
it, it's still really high.

1482
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:20,080
Yeah, so happy to respond to that.

1483
01:56:20,100 --> 01:56:26,940
These are only available in T4 and T5 zoning districts.

1484
01:56:27,240 --> 01:56:29,720
So that's effectively that does not include

1485
01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:32,200
that excludes North and South Grove already.

1486
01:56:33,300 --> 01:56:36,500
Because I feel that you do need to address

1487
01:56:36,500 --> 01:56:39,260
affordable housing in West Grove,

1488
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:43,480
because the people that settled West Grove,

1489
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:45,620
their families are still there.

1490
01:56:45,980 --> 01:56:47,700
And it's not easy for these people.

1491
01:56:47,700 --> 01:56:50,700
The taxes are so high.

1492
01:56:51,540 --> 01:56:56,260
So the areas where this is going to apply are primarily in West Grove, but also includes

1493
01:56:56,260 --> 01:56:58,940
the 27th Avenue corridor, for instance.

1494
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:10,880
But I feel like lots splitting in North and South Grove, and putting what's called, it was said,

1495
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:15,900
affordable housing, where you're already paying a lot of money for the land.

1496
01:57:15,900 --> 01:57:19,940
There won't be any of that in the North or South Grove felt because of this.

1497
01:57:19,940 --> 01:57:20,460
Thank you.

1498
01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:21,920
Thank you, ma'am.

1499
01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:22,440
Next speaker.

1500
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:25,320
So I count one, two, three, four more speakers.

1501
01:57:26,900 --> 01:57:28,160
So three more speakers.

1502
01:57:28,460 --> 01:57:29,160
So after.

1503
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:30,580
Go ahead.

1504
01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:30,800
Thank you.

1505
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:31,160
Hello.

1506
01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:32,740
My name is Dorian Will Cicero.

1507
01:57:33,020 --> 01:57:34,600
I live at 3842.

1508
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:35,600
Come quite Avenue.

1509
01:57:36,180 --> 01:57:38,180
And I've lived there since 1977.

1510
01:57:39,180 --> 01:57:41,960
I bought my house from the original builder.

1511
01:57:42,840 --> 01:57:45,880
And it was great to have a relationship like that.

1512
01:57:45,880 --> 01:57:53,180
with somebody who built a house on a date county prime that he actually cut from his own land.

1513
01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:59,500
I mean, but those, you know, that's a pioneer and many of us, we probably feel like pioneers

1514
01:57:59,500 --> 01:58:04,680
because we've been in the grove so long, but you know, I think there's so many issues

1515
01:58:04,680 --> 01:58:09,880
that we keep bringing back up over and over again, and I'm sure you're sick of hearing

1516
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:14,100
it, and we're probably sick of saying it, but we don't want lots of splitting, that's

1517
01:58:14,100 --> 01:58:15,400
bottom line.

1518
01:58:20,300 --> 01:58:26,760
We want affordable housing where it should be and so people can actually afford it

1519
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:32,640
because as Carol said, what is affordable housing? And there is affordable housing at the end

1520
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:38,680
of my street which was the St. Hughes development and you know my son who's a young man

1521
01:58:38,680 --> 01:58:44,760
he can't afford to go in there. I mean you know he's trying to buy a house in the Grove too and

1522
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:49,080
He's probably never going, I'm going to have to leave him my house, so when I die, that's what's

1523
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:49,680
going to happen.

1524
01:58:50,860 --> 01:58:57,860
As far as having these mother-in-law, sheds, or whatever, you know, there were a lot of them

1525
01:58:57,860 --> 01:58:58,200
in the grove.

1526
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:03,400
In my neighborhood, they're all over the place and guess what, developers come in, not

1527
01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:08,760
these beautiful houses down with carriage houses, and then nothing happens, it's just a ugly

1528
01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:14,640
lot, and I have one across the street, and then I have a god-awful, zero-allot-line gigantic

1529
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:20,220
box with a tree in the center with a it's three stories high not even two stories

1530
01:59:20,220 --> 01:59:25,440
high it's three stories high with a pool that overflows all the time into

1531
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:29,860
its own electrical box and the fire department is there all the time because of

1532
01:59:29,860 --> 01:59:35,780
this I mean you know let's preserve what we have let's stop removing trees and

1533
01:59:35,780 --> 01:59:40,200
let's just get on with listening to what the people have to say thank you

1534
01:59:44,580 --> 01:59:49,180
Mark Coleman, 3085 Colusa Street. Thank you, Chairman. Thank you, Board, for this opportunity.

1535
01:59:50,280 --> 01:59:58,040
First, I do want to say I want to thank staff because I'm getting a lot of grief tonight, but they really have tried and worked very hard.

1536
01:59:58,140 --> 01:59:59,320
We have a lot of people here.

1537
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:10,180
Met with a lot of people and, you know, I'm one of the ones that have listened to me. They haven't agreed to everything I've said, but I understand that their position are coming from, but I do want to compliment them on that.

1538
02:00:10,780 --> 02:00:17,780
First item, I want to say that we need to really go back and incorporate some of the original intent language that was in the original NCD.

1539
02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:28,920
It's our protection there in case there's gray areas or disputes that come up. And in zoning that always happens and so it's important to have the original protections there to go back and look at the intent.

1540
02:00:30,340 --> 02:00:35,820
Talking about FLR, right now there's reposal in there for what they call a tree bone

1541
02:00:35,820 --> 02:00:42,620
is 1.15, that puts the FLR from 0.5 up to 0.65, now this is FLR, this is not a lot coverage.

1542
02:00:43,160 --> 02:00:45,700
Visual lot coverage was 80%.

1543
02:00:45,700 --> 02:00:52,220
When the FLR you add in your porches, your verandas, car porches and things like that,

1544
02:00:52,440 --> 02:00:57,220
you'll almost beat back to the 80% bot coverage that we have currently right now.

1545
02:00:57,220 --> 02:01:05,620
So, if, and I think that just about everybody, every developer, every builder, will try to avail themselves of this bonus.

1546
02:01:06,360 --> 02:01:10,140
So, the FLR will go from 0.5 to really 0.65.

1547
02:01:10,260 --> 02:01:11,720
That will be the new base standard.

1548
02:01:12,500 --> 02:01:17,780
And it really will not reduce our park up in the size of the buildings, hardly at all.

1549
02:01:20,740 --> 02:01:24,920
Also, on the actually the duplex areas, it's even worse.

1550
02:01:24,920 --> 02:01:33,260
they'll go up to 0.9 FLR. Currently allowed in one lot coverage. Again, when you add

1551
02:01:33,260 --> 02:01:39,580
these cover areas back to where they are right now. So please, let's not have a loophole

1552
02:01:39,580 --> 02:01:46,920
to add additional FLR. 0.5 is still a very good FLR on a 5,000 square foot lot. You can have

1553
02:01:46,920 --> 02:01:54,060
2500 square feet of air conditioned space as in addition to verandas, and you know on a

1554
02:01:54,060 --> 02:01:59,440
10,000 square foot house, a lot that's a 5,000 square feet air conditioned, so those are still very large.

1555
02:01:59,560 --> 02:02:00,340
Thank you.

1556
02:02:00,580 --> 02:02:00,940
Thank you.

1557
02:02:01,180 --> 02:02:02,040
Next speaker please.

1558
02:02:04,220 --> 02:02:05,100
Next speaker please.

1559
02:02:05,320 --> 02:02:05,600
No one.

1560
02:02:05,660 --> 02:02:06,600
You got a six, sir.

1561
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:07,720
Did you want to respond to that?

1562
02:02:09,060 --> 02:02:09,280
Yeah.

1563
02:02:09,540 --> 02:02:10,100
Good point.

1564
02:02:11,980 --> 02:02:15,760
I think that was contradictory to some other statements.

1565
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:22,420
I mean, I do think we will, we can look at some of the original intent language if it's been omitted.

1566
02:02:24,800 --> 02:02:31,140
But regarding, I mean, I think, I don't know what we would be rehashing about the reduction

1567
02:02:31,140 --> 02:02:37,140
versus the bonus on the bonus of the people going to bail themselves for the trees.

1568
02:02:37,320 --> 02:02:41,420
I think it will be very difficult to make that work on every lot.

1569
02:02:42,920 --> 02:02:55,940
And then regarding the doplex, yes, it's 0.75 by right up to 0.9, that's still a 10% reduction compared to what's allowed by now, which we still feel is significant.

1570
02:02:57,300 --> 02:02:59,100
Quick question from Mr. Coleman.

1571
02:03:01,320 --> 02:03:06,580
I know you've been very concerned with the diversity in architecture, because you addressed that point.

1572
02:03:06,580 --> 02:03:17,460
Yeah, I mean the current code basically the way it says you've got 0.5 on the ground floor and you got 0.3 so guess what that's exactly what you get every house gets built at 0.5

1573
02:03:17,460 --> 02:03:23,540
Lot coverage on the ground floor and 0.3 for the 0.8. That's how you max that max out these lots. The new code

1574
02:03:24,020 --> 02:03:31,680
new proposal is is better in the sense that the size is smaller, but really it's very restricted you got 0.35 on the ground floor and

1575
02:03:31,680 --> 02:03:38,980
point one five and you've been bonus up to point two five or whatever on the second floor but guess what everybody's going to build those houses exactly that same way

1576
02:03:38,980 --> 02:03:45,980
you're not going to get diversity in massing so I think what we need to do is to keep the FLR low because that

1577
02:03:45,980 --> 02:03:55,920
restricts the overall size of the house but give sort of diversity in whether you want to go to a larger ground floor so you build a one story house which some of the people spoke very well about

1578
02:03:55,920 --> 02:04:04,920
Or you can build a two story house. People should have options. One story house is can actually preserve canopy because a lot of these old houses were one story in the trees.

1579
02:04:05,080 --> 02:04:11,520
It basically growing over them. If you build a one story house, maybe bigger than one story house, but you can still keep that canopy.

1580
02:04:11,720 --> 02:04:18,860
You put a two story house guess what all those limbs get chopped off. Yes, they may keep the trunk, but they only keep half the fruits and only keep half the canopy.

1581
02:04:19,460 --> 02:04:22,800
So we should give some variety there. So the people can build a house at one story.

1582
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:27,760
The important thing is to keep the overall size of the house down to the .5 FLR.

1583
02:04:33,020 --> 02:04:39,000
There's a mild reply there that the .35 and the second floor, it doesn't guarantee

1584
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:44,360
a .35 and one-five, you can also do 30-20, you can also, like, they're still additional

1585
02:04:44,360 --> 02:04:48,640
forms 25 percent, 25 percent that are still available there.

1586
02:04:50,440 --> 02:04:55,560
Could I just read that one thing also, you know, we're comparing apples and oranges here, because

1587
02:04:55,560 --> 02:05:00,000
when we say we can go to .9 FLR on the duplex zones

1588
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:02,800
that it was really .1, that was a lot coverage.

1589
02:05:02,980 --> 02:05:04,220
And those are two different measurements.

1590
02:05:04,940 --> 02:05:08,900
So when you take a .9 FLR and you add a carport,

1591
02:05:09,020 --> 02:05:11,120
you add a porch, you add a veranda to that.

1592
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:15,820
You can actually exceed the current .1.0 FLR on the site.

1593
02:05:16,180 --> 02:05:19,280
And the same thing, quite the same scale

1594
02:05:19,280 --> 02:05:21,460
can happen on the one story.

1595
02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:23,440
So we got .65 FLR.

1596
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:35,660
We can bonus that, or you can add your reports, your Miranda, and things like that, a carport, and you're going to be actually backed up to very close to the point eight, a lot of coverages of the current code.

1597
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:45,300
Just the counterpoint there is that the green space rules in that case. So it's just sort of how it's sliced.

1598
02:05:48,540 --> 02:05:55,100
Ron Nelson, 25, 35, and Nagua Avenue. I think, I'm sure the common theme houses are just getting too big.

1599
02:05:56,100 --> 02:06:03,300
If you remember back prior to 2007, when we had a recession, the groves in here screaming about

1600
02:06:03,300 --> 02:06:04,100
McMansians.

1601
02:06:04,840 --> 02:06:06,920
It was the size, the mass of the house.

1602
02:06:06,940 --> 02:06:08,700
It wasn't a white cube.

1603
02:06:09,600 --> 02:06:10,580
It was a McMansian.

1604
02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:16,380
It was a faux Mediterranean huge house on a lot that it was just too big for.

1605
02:06:16,620 --> 02:06:17,820
So it's the same thing.

1606
02:06:18,120 --> 02:06:22,400
I don't care whether their cubes are their McMansians or what the style of architecture is.

1607
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:24,880
we're taking over the people want to build now

1608
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:27,480
from a lot line to a lot line, which didn't occur before.

1609
02:06:27,780 --> 02:06:30,400
So we need to figure out how to handle the sizing.

1610
02:06:32,600 --> 02:06:36,940
Under 11,000 people came in for special exceptions all the time.

1611
02:06:37,060 --> 02:06:39,660
And that was one thing, my 21 was supposed to help

1612
02:06:39,660 --> 02:06:42,000
do away with, but we're getting back to waivers and warrants

1613
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:43,240
for every property.

1614
02:06:43,860 --> 02:06:44,700
We need to stop that.

1615
02:06:44,760 --> 02:06:45,540
There needs to be a rule.

1616
02:06:45,680 --> 02:06:47,320
That's what coconut grove is asking for.

1617
02:06:47,340 --> 02:06:48,060
We want a rule.

1618
02:06:48,140 --> 02:06:50,280
We want to draw a line as this is what you can do.

1619
02:06:50,660 --> 02:06:51,880
Number of waivers and warrants.

1620
02:06:51,880 --> 02:06:53,520
no more special exceptions.

1621
02:06:54,300 --> 02:06:55,720
No more bonuses.

1622
02:06:57,000 --> 02:06:59,140
That's what gets us so crazy.

1623
02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:03,340
I mean, you know, we're talking about offering 15% from more trees.

1624
02:07:03,940 --> 02:07:06,760
We don't even have the enforcement to maintain the trees we have.

1625
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:12,620
So we're going to give a guy 15% for building, for adding a tree, which will disappear,

1626
02:07:13,080 --> 02:07:15,280
and no one will ever make them put the tree back.

1627
02:07:16,100 --> 02:07:19,260
So let's forget bonuses for adding more trees.

1628
02:07:19,260 --> 02:07:25,440
I appreciate Jeremy's work and he's trying to work with both sides, but we're right back

1629
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:31,040
to the older 11,000 code where we're offering all kinds of crazy bonuses for doing particular

1630
02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:35,000
things and nobody keeps track of it and it falls away.

1631
02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:38,640
We shouldn't make rule in what it is.

1632
02:07:40,940 --> 02:07:43,420
Ancillary unit, it's not on dueplex lots, please.

1633
02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:48,660
It's not the white box issue, it's the mass.

1634
02:07:49,820 --> 02:07:54,600
Large street should be a requirement, not just for bonuses, you just require large trees,

1635
02:07:54,660 --> 02:07:56,960
you'll get them, not in the other way.

1636
02:07:57,380 --> 02:08:04,460
T4, don't give an increase to 150 per acre, it should be 65 per acre.

1637
02:08:05,780 --> 02:08:14,240
What was my three-bone six-diff set seven is rooftop access, rooftop areas should count in your, in your, in your, for your ratio.

1638
02:08:14,600 --> 02:08:15,520
I can't include a set up there.

1639
02:08:15,520 --> 02:08:16,120
And conclusion.

1640
02:08:17,100 --> 02:08:18,000
One more is all I had.

1641
02:08:18,720 --> 02:08:21,600
Include the intent language, which was mentioned earlier.

1642
02:08:21,740 --> 02:08:23,140
Intent is very important.

1643
02:08:23,400 --> 02:08:25,920
It makes it clear and it gives you a legal standing.

1644
02:08:26,120 --> 02:08:26,440
Please.

1645
02:08:26,640 --> 02:08:27,220
Thank you.

1646
02:08:27,380 --> 02:08:28,420
City, do you have any comments?

1647
02:08:30,080 --> 02:08:34,440
Uh, a couple specific things we've actually gone back and reduced the T-46.

1648
02:08:35,300 --> 02:08:45,860
We have done that, I think, one of the things I do need to speak to somewhat in defense of our environmental resources division.

1649
02:08:46,440 --> 02:09:03,260
They are fully staffed for the first time in their existence as of just a couple months ago, and we've already seen enforcement action and field visits increase pretty dramatically, because they're able to finally handle both the permitting and going out into the field.

1650
02:09:03,260 --> 02:09:09,280
So I hope that's something that everyone appreciates and starts to see them out in the field more.

1651
02:09:10,720 --> 02:09:15,720
Regarding the houses being too big, massing, you know, that's what we're here for.

1652
02:09:15,820 --> 02:09:17,780
That's what we're trying to address, I think primarily.

1653
02:09:19,180 --> 02:09:26,260
It's just the big difference seems to be, is this 0.65 to much of an additional.

1654
02:09:26,540 --> 02:09:30,560
I think that seems to be the crux for a lot of this.

1655
02:09:31,920 --> 02:09:38,860
And then rooftop access, we have limited the size and location of rooftop access points.

1656
02:09:39,460 --> 02:09:42,960
So we believe we have at least partially addressed that concern.

1657
02:09:44,240 --> 02:09:46,280
And I think that's already addressed intent.

1658
02:09:48,170 --> 02:09:49,230
Thank you, sir.

1659
02:09:50,250 --> 02:09:55,290
Chris, one child of a 3904 local plot, I've been a grove I for 45 years.

1660
02:09:55,670 --> 02:10:01,490
I've owned three different knots on local ed Avenue, including two that I still own that

1661
02:10:01,490 --> 02:10:09,730
beautiful 14,000 foot lots. One of which has just a 900 square foot home on it. I've been

1662
02:10:09,730 --> 02:10:16,390
approached repeatedly by developers who want to buy that property and I ask from what do you

1663
02:10:16,390 --> 02:10:21,330
want to do with it? Well, I'm going to split it of course. I'm going to put two houses on it.

1664
02:10:21,690 --> 02:10:24,950
Well, why don't you just put one house on it? Well, I can't make any money that way.

1665
02:10:28,910 --> 02:10:28,910
The

1666
02:10:28,910 --> 02:10:29,850
around two houses.

1667
02:10:30,390 --> 02:10:33,550
I don't know how anybody in the Grove is benefited

1668
02:10:33,550 --> 02:10:37,230
by this type of lots fitting, which is being allowed

1669
02:10:37,230 --> 02:10:40,650
and has been allowed in the past, except the developer.

1670
02:10:41,110 --> 02:10:42,490
Certainly it hasn't developed.

1671
02:10:42,890 --> 02:10:44,650
It certainly has benefited the neighbors.

1672
02:10:47,770 --> 02:10:50,810
It's just taken away their property values.

1673
02:10:51,250 --> 02:10:52,910
It hasn't benefited the Grove.

1674
02:10:53,890 --> 02:10:56,390
And what protections are we going to have?

1675
02:10:56,810 --> 02:10:58,870
This is going to prevent what was previously

1676
02:10:58,870 --> 02:11:07,470
a nice 100-foot, by 140-foot lot, single-family home, or somebody can come in and split it.

1677
02:11:07,550 --> 02:11:12,770
Where's the protection that's going to happen right now that requires a warrant for somebody

1678
02:11:12,770 --> 02:11:16,650
to get it, and there's huge objection in the neighborhoods when that happens.

1679
02:11:17,870 --> 02:11:22,790
So where is the practice of my understanding is this is going to disappear in terms of protections?

1680
02:11:23,050 --> 02:11:23,710
Is that correct?

1681
02:11:23,710 --> 02:11:36,810
Are there still going to require, if a previous lot, there was a single family dwelling is it going to be restricted to be a single family dwelling?

1682
02:11:37,230 --> 02:11:38,430
There's a couple of points.

1683
02:11:39,830 --> 02:11:53,690
I think by implication of, we've included a map that is partially a reproduction of the SD-18 and the previous overlays that limited the sizes of lots that could result from them.

1684
02:11:53,690 --> 02:11:58,530
management. So we've actually, we're bringing that back, I think that's going to address

1685
02:11:59,950 --> 02:12:05,930
most of the concerns, just right off the bat, it's going to reduce drastically the number

1686
02:12:05,930 --> 02:12:11,890
of lots that are even available to be split, and it will also reduce the resulting, it'll

1687
02:12:11,890 --> 02:12:16,690
limit the number of, so currently like it's 20,000 square for a lot might be split into four,

1688
02:12:17,970 --> 02:12:23,290
this is going to buy district, limit that, and some districts that might be non-splitable at all,

1689
02:12:23,290 --> 02:12:29,530
another one, it might be only two. And where we've seen those are a lot of those areas where

1690
02:12:29,530 --> 02:12:36,650
there were more than one dwelling unit before. So it'll keep it more consistent. And again,

1691
02:12:37,090 --> 02:12:43,830
the criteria include things like you may not cut down specimen trees and they have to be accommodated

1692
02:12:43,830 --> 02:12:51,910
for any sort of lot. They can still split a lot. In some cases, yes. Okay. Yeah. And that's just

1693
02:12:51,910 --> 02:12:59,970
Taking away the value of the neighbor's property and taking away the value of the grove to us who live here.

1694
02:13:00,290 --> 02:13:02,410
So I would like to encourage you to look at the map.

1695
02:13:04,740 --> 02:13:09,240
I would encourage you to look at the map and see where that's still really possible.

1696
02:13:10,180 --> 02:13:14,280
Because I think you'll find it. It's greatly diminished and it's most diminished in the neighborhoods.

1697
02:13:15,360 --> 02:13:17,680
I think there are several places on my screen.

1698
02:13:18,060 --> 02:13:18,360
Thank you.

1699
02:13:18,760 --> 02:13:19,600
Yeah, sir.

1700
02:13:20,120 --> 02:13:20,600
Thank you.

1701
02:13:20,860 --> 02:13:21,080
Yes, ma'am.

1702
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:27,920
I'm good evening. My name is Melissa Tappinas. I live at 3767 Carmen Court in South

1703
02:13:27,920 --> 02:13:32,720
Coconut Grove. I'm very proud to have lived in Coconut Grove my entire adult life.

1704
02:13:33,000 --> 02:13:38,320
I say that because I grew up in Little Havana and I used to be bust to Sun Settlementary

1705
02:13:38,320 --> 02:13:45,280
and I would drive down 17th Avenue and base where drive and main highway and in Grum and

1706
02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:51,940
I would ask my sister, who lives in these beautiful houses where the sunlight shines through

1707
02:13:51,940 --> 02:13:55,040
these oak trees, I thought that there must be royalty.

1708
02:13:55,380 --> 02:13:59,140
My sister told me doctors and lawyers, so she became the doctor.

1709
02:13:59,360 --> 02:14:02,460
I became the lawyer, and I live in South Coconut Grove.

1710
02:14:03,220 --> 02:14:07,700
My love of trees inspired me to study geography, or have been designed, become a land-use

1711
02:14:07,700 --> 02:14:09,540
lawyer that appears before you.

1712
02:14:09,800 --> 02:14:14,040
And I'm here to tell you, as you already know, the NCD needs a lot of work.

1713
02:14:14,040 --> 02:14:20,460
Someone used the word despair as a land use lawyer that tries to mitigate and facilitate

1714
02:14:21,240 --> 02:14:28,160
Settlements between Developers and neighbors. I can tell you. I'm absolutely exhausted

1715
02:14:28,680 --> 02:14:35,420
The amount of pro bono work that is required to deal with the tree issues and enforcing

1716
02:14:35,960 --> 02:14:40,280
The cities enforcement or lack thereof of enforcement of chapter

1717
02:14:40,280 --> 02:14:47,000
17, 23, and Miami 21 is really difficult to deal with.

1718
02:14:47,720 --> 02:14:59,860
I can tell you that through this process, I've attended many meetings, workshops, and meetings with both the administration, and Jeremy specifically, and the goal has been.

1719
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:21,420
Not to deal with loopholes, because loopholes, I'm a lawyer. They're written for a purpose. Each word has an intent. So they're not loopholes. They actually have an intent behind them. And we were all around, or I was around when NCD was originally created as a response to Home Depot, Coconut Grove, where my firm represented Home Depot, Coconut Grove at the time.

1720
02:15:21,420 --> 02:15:28,780
And then I stood before this board, when Miami 21 came about and I was very, if you would

1721
02:15:28,780 --> 02:15:31,560
remind, I would love to have just a couple more minutes.

1722
02:15:32,940 --> 02:15:38,220
When Miami 21 came about, we were very concerned about Miami 21 and how it would fit with the

1723
02:15:38,220 --> 02:15:38,660
NCD.

1724
02:15:39,860 --> 02:15:43,020
Coconut Grove was a place that it was live and let live.

1725
02:15:43,240 --> 02:15:44,740
It was a happy go lucky place.

1726
02:15:44,780 --> 02:15:46,500
It is not that any longer.

1727
02:15:47,120 --> 02:15:52,220
It's a divisive, controversial, difficult place to live in many ways.

1728
02:15:52,560 --> 02:15:56,860
There are more associations per street now than there ever has been before.

1729
02:15:57,020 --> 02:16:01,280
St. Goddons has three associations. Luckily, my neighborhood is quite peaceful.

1730
02:16:01,500 --> 02:16:06,780
We have one association and although we have a lot of new construction and like most people,

1731
02:16:06,860 --> 02:16:08,760
some we like and some we don't like.

1732
02:16:09,100 --> 02:16:13,420
What I can tell you what we all like are encouraging people to redevelop their properties

1733
02:16:13,420 --> 02:16:17,840
in a way that's consistent with the neighborhood and if they could add addictions.

1734
02:16:18,680 --> 02:16:26,100
So I have three points on the actual code provision and I'm not sure what is happening here.

1735
02:16:26,740 --> 02:16:32,740
But anyway on the actual code provisions and I think this is important because this is what we're

1736
02:16:32,740 --> 02:16:37,420
asking the city to do as a recommending board is this is not a mob democracy.

1737
02:16:37,800 --> 02:16:43,160
These are real property rights that we're here to defend and the neighbors are concerned

1738
02:16:43,160 --> 02:16:48,020
about their properties, we should all be concerned about everyone's properties, including our own.

1739
02:16:48,580 --> 02:16:52,960
So, a lot coverage, I believe, I want to be fair to everyone.

1740
02:16:53,680 --> 02:16:54,920
I'll give you one more minute.

1741
02:16:55,240 --> 02:16:56,440
So, I use it a lot.

1742
02:16:56,640 --> 02:17:00,400
I believe many people had more than two minutes, but I will thank you for one more minute.

1743
02:17:00,500 --> 02:17:03,020
I'm glad you reminded me, many people have gotten more than two minutes.

1744
02:17:04,120 --> 02:17:08,420
I'll spend a little more of your time letting you know that I've given a lot of people extra minutes.

1745
02:17:08,540 --> 02:17:09,100
Thank you.

1746
02:17:09,420 --> 02:17:10,160
So, if you could just...

1747
02:17:10,160 --> 02:17:12,160
So, if I could, thank you.

1748
02:17:13,790 --> 02:17:17,450
I believe that one story houses should be encouraged.

1749
02:17:17,850 --> 02:17:25,600
I believe that I don't know, again, I believe that they should be increased.

1750
02:17:25,800 --> 02:17:30,920
The lock coverage to 50%, that is what is historical and coconut growth for one story

1751
02:17:30,920 --> 02:17:31,440
houses.

1752
02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:37,660
I believe the green space, like Mr. Trister said, should be 40%, that is still quite a drastic

1753
02:17:37,660 --> 02:17:39,300
increase from what we have today.

1754
02:17:39,300 --> 02:17:55,220
I believe that existing properties as of the effective date of this ordinance should be grandfathered so that they're not all rendered illegally non-conforming despite having microphone records or whatever it took place in the early 1900s at the city of Miami

1755
02:17:55,220 --> 02:18:07,280
I believe that article 7 of Miami 21 dealing with non-conformities should apply and the issue of lots splitting is one of property rights even coral gables does it although

1756
02:18:07,280 --> 02:18:11,360
I don't want to live in Coral Gables, and I don't want to live on Miami Beach or South Miami.

1757
02:18:11,560 --> 02:18:13,160
I choose to live in the city of Miami.

1758
02:18:14,300 --> 02:18:15,860
And the lot splits are allowed.

1759
02:18:15,900 --> 02:18:18,620
I just did one in Coral Gables and tables of states actually.

1760
02:18:19,120 --> 02:18:21,140
And they're done with criteria.

1761
02:18:21,440 --> 02:18:22,300
And that's what this does.

1762
02:18:22,460 --> 02:18:22,880
Thank you.

1763
02:18:23,000 --> 02:18:24,360
Let's see what the city has to say.

1764
02:18:24,600 --> 02:18:25,420
Welcome to stay.

1765
02:18:30,840 --> 02:18:31,360
Let's see.

1766
02:18:32,540 --> 02:18:33,340
So we're going to start.

1767
02:18:34,520 --> 02:18:35,000
One story.

1768
02:18:35,160 --> 02:18:35,820
A lot coverage.

1769
02:18:36,040 --> 02:18:36,760
One story.

1770
02:18:37,420 --> 02:18:42,140
I think the discomfort with that is the only way we can really make that work.

1771
02:18:42,140 --> 02:18:48,360
if we significantly reduce green space, because if we say 50%, but we're only requiring 40%

1772
02:18:48,360 --> 02:18:56,300
green space, the 10% left over for hard escape is going to be basically a path or a drive

1773
02:18:56,300 --> 02:19:03,960
way. Although, I mean, we're certainly hearing enough about that, that we may revisit that.

1774
02:19:04,060 --> 02:19:08,800
Should it be like the inverse? Like if you have 50% green space and you only have a one story

1775
02:19:08,800 --> 02:19:12,120
should it be allowed the inverse of 50% lock coverage?

1776
02:19:15,700 --> 02:19:18,160
If the percent green space is the requirement,

1777
02:19:19,760 --> 02:19:22,820
and you're allowed to go more if you go to your second floor,

1778
02:19:23,320 --> 02:19:25,960
shouldn't if green space is 50% the lock, the inverse,

1779
02:19:26,240 --> 02:19:29,420
should be 50% should be allowed for one story residences

1780
02:19:29,420 --> 02:19:31,200
to have the lock coverage.

1781
02:19:31,460 --> 02:19:33,780
If not, there's like this.

1782
02:19:34,280 --> 02:19:35,820
I'm sorry, I'm still not.

1783
02:19:35,860 --> 02:19:36,800
50% of it.

1784
02:19:36,800 --> 02:19:38,420
I would need it drawn out, I'm sorry.

1785
02:19:38,420 --> 02:19:46,800
A square half of it is green space the other half if it's a one-story house should be allowed to be a lot coverage

1786
02:19:46,800 --> 02:19:48,920
which includes the pools the

1787
02:19:50,740 --> 02:19:59,300
And everything else the structure we have that effectively now that you have the it's the 35% under AC

1788
02:20:00,120 --> 02:20:07,660
35% but the other so right, but there's a lot of non-conformities that we're dealing with with this code does is

1789
02:20:07,660 --> 02:20:13,120
render a lot of one story, all the one story houses and coconut grove will be non-conforming.

1790
02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:18,500
And as many people have said, I think I do think we will be happy to incorporate language

1791
02:20:18,500 --> 02:20:21,080
about the non-conformity. I think that's a good suggestion.

1792
02:20:23,260 --> 02:20:24,340
And, yeah, to be honest, we're going

1793
02:20:24,340 --> 02:20:30,560
to look at the encouraging for one story. In front of Matt Ruralande, which we lived in our first

1794
02:20:30,560 --> 02:20:36,940
place in Harvard Hill while we were in school. And we all, you know, it could be a smaller house

1795
02:20:36,940 --> 02:20:40,280
you want to have an addition, and it could 50%, so let it be.

1796
02:20:40,300 --> 02:20:43,600
You still have your 50%, green space if that's really the intent.

1797
02:20:43,880 --> 02:20:44,700
That's my point.

1798
02:20:44,960 --> 02:20:46,360
I think that's fair.

1799
02:20:46,520 --> 02:20:52,280
I think the article 7 applying and making sure incorporating something about existing properties

1800
02:20:52,280 --> 02:20:58,440
being grandfathered is certainly, I don't know if it makes it into the appendix language, but

1801
02:20:58,440 --> 02:20:59,180
into the legislation.

1802
02:21:01,060 --> 02:21:01,620
Thank you.

1803
02:21:02,040 --> 02:21:02,800
Can you get through your questions?

1804
02:21:02,820 --> 02:21:03,780
Can you get through your questions?

1805
02:21:03,780 --> 02:21:04,160
Your questions?

1806
02:21:04,160 --> 02:21:15,300
Yes, the only thing left is the green space at 40% which I think anyone who's really reviewed their home and home values would agree with.

1807
02:21:15,540 --> 02:21:16,440
Thank you.

1808
02:21:19,860 --> 02:21:20,280
Good evening.

1809
02:21:21,640 --> 02:21:25,300
I am Kathy Park Sora's 4035 Battersea Road.

1810
02:21:25,820 --> 02:21:28,760
Miami 33133.

1811
02:21:31,580 --> 02:21:34,380
Affordable housing on Grand Avenue that we're losing.

1812
02:21:35,420 --> 02:21:39,510
I just want everybody to understand that affordable housing is a very subjective word.

1813
02:21:40,090 --> 02:22:04,590
And it's, it's times the offensive and the last thing we need is for a developer with a must, a master use special permit, a major use special permit that just was a renewed to give us little tiny apartments for families at a low rate, that's what we'll end up with, that's what they were going to give us the last time.

1814
02:22:04,590 --> 02:22:11,070
So we need to understand what affordable housing really means and all the levels of which it covers.

1815
02:22:12,230 --> 02:22:19,530
The green spaces and the parks and all that kind of stuff is really a hard one too when we can't even use our Brewster Park.

1816
02:22:20,350 --> 02:22:23,150
Our kids cannot even play on our Brewster Park anymore.

1817
02:22:24,030 --> 02:22:29,030
The park is running out to soccer, lacrosse, and everybody in between.

1818
02:22:29,830 --> 02:22:32,630
And our kids can't play there and we have to go play somewhere else.

1819
02:22:33,190 --> 02:22:34,290
That's another issue.

1820
02:22:34,630 --> 02:22:40,230
So when you have to understand how hard it is for people to swallow some of these things,

1821
02:22:41,410 --> 02:22:46,450
the empty lots and the trash, the capital improvements and the code enforcement in one

1822
02:22:46,450 --> 02:22:50,770
part of the grove versus the other three areas of the grove is significantly different.

1823
02:22:51,310 --> 02:22:54,770
It's really hard to sit here and listen to some of those about the trees and stuff because

1824
02:22:54,770 --> 02:22:58,930
I am about the trees and I love my trees and I live in on 13,000 square foot lot with

1825
02:22:58,930 --> 02:23:00,010
a lot of beautiful trees.

1826
02:23:00,010 --> 02:23:04,430
But when the people from the West Grove come to my house with their evictions and they see

1827
02:23:04,430 --> 02:23:07,510
debitiful trees on my block, and then there's no trees on their block.

1828
02:23:08,070 --> 02:23:12,170
And then they come to meetings like this and they hear the green spaces and the parks and stuff like that.

1829
02:23:13,050 --> 02:23:15,970
Sometimes they just leave because it really hurts their feelings.

1830
02:23:16,590 --> 02:23:22,050
I wrote something in November of 2016, and I was surprised that the Harold actually posted it.

1831
02:23:22,330 --> 02:23:27,190
Anyone who drives into Coca and I grow along Grand Avenue as seen the same blighted buildings despite

1832
02:23:27,190 --> 02:23:31,250
13 years of promises for revitalization, which would be 15 now.

1833
02:23:31,530 --> 02:23:35,170
Just ask yourselves if it looks like that on the outside, what does it look like on the

1834
02:23:35,170 --> 02:23:35,650
inside?

1835
02:23:36,110 --> 02:23:40,530
For some large support thousands of attendants live in squalor demonstrates a complete breakdown

1836
02:23:40,530 --> 02:23:42,850
of just government inequality before the law.

1837
02:23:43,410 --> 02:23:48,030
These areas of the West Grove are more similar to the apartheid of South Africa 50 years ago

1838
02:23:48,030 --> 02:23:51,070
than the modern tropical oasis on the cover of Ritzi magazines.

1839
02:23:51,770 --> 02:23:56,430
We cannot allow money to corrupt our morals and our politics with the destruction of our traditions

1840
02:23:56,430 --> 02:23:58,730
of historical communities as a result.

1841
02:23:59,750 --> 02:24:04,690
I'm just the white lady who drives around in a golf cart trying to help, but I must ask,

1842
02:24:04,690 --> 02:24:05,570
where's the outrage?

1843
02:24:06,930 --> 02:24:12,510
So I want to know how long we have to sit on the empty lots with the mattresses and the

1844
02:24:12,510 --> 02:24:16,650
trees and the broken windows before the city is going to do something about that, because

1845
02:24:16,650 --> 02:24:22,170
that seems to be as important as to me as the trees are to me and everybody else.

1846
02:24:22,410 --> 02:24:23,490
I think that's an issue.

1847
02:24:25,010 --> 02:24:25,610
This

1848
02:24:30,120 --> 02:24:34,440
is not primarily issues that are addressed through the land use regulations,

1849
02:24:37,600 --> 02:24:39,000
would be the main point.

1850
02:24:39,440 --> 02:24:43,620
I think we're trying most of the address, the things we're trying to do with affordability.

1851
02:24:44,280 --> 02:24:53,500
You know, we're trying to sort of set up the skeleton that additional infrastructure, additional resources can fit into to help with affordability.

1852
02:24:53,500 --> 02:24:58,580
But primarily, you know, these aren't things that we can adjust to dress through.

1853
02:24:58,900 --> 02:25:01,700
This is one of many tools that we need to employ.

1854
02:25:02,020 --> 02:25:05,420
Well, Frankie Shannon Rolls already been sound for that.

1855
02:25:05,720 --> 02:25:11,980
The Frankie Shannon Rolls, 3750, the government's building that's on the corner.

1856
02:25:12,980 --> 02:25:17,380
The one last question on the, I just want to understand with the granny plots and stuff

1857
02:25:17,380 --> 02:25:25,200
the West Grove and the wooden houses. If the lot is 3,500 or 4,950 or 3,450, are they still

1858
02:25:25,200 --> 02:25:26,380
going to be able to add on?

1859
02:25:26,600 --> 02:25:28,940
Yeah, if they're historic. If it's a historic.

1860
02:25:29,420 --> 02:25:35,560
So they can have the no-green space and they can have the over-build on the FAR.

1861
02:25:35,940 --> 02:25:40,480
So yeah, once a property is historic, once it goes through a headboard for approval, they have

1862
02:25:40,480 --> 02:25:43,980
a lot more leeway on dealing with regulations.

1863
02:25:46,960 --> 02:25:47,500
Yes, ma'am.

1864
02:25:49,160 --> 02:25:52,240
Joyce Nelson, 25, 35, and Nagu Avenue.

1865
02:25:53,360 --> 02:25:55,040
I moved to the grove in 74.

1866
02:25:55,280 --> 02:25:57,880
I've been always proud of the grove.

1867
02:25:58,680 --> 02:25:59,780
But I'm not proud anymore.

1868
02:26:00,420 --> 02:26:01,520
We need to fix this.

1869
02:26:01,940 --> 02:26:04,460
And this has been going on for two years, I believe.

1870
02:26:05,000 --> 02:26:06,400
Trying to rewrite the NCD.

1871
02:26:08,780 --> 02:26:12,560
It was made to preserve the historic heavily landscape character of

1872
02:26:12,560 --> 02:26:17,920
of residential areas, and Hansen protect COVID-19 grows natural features as the

1873
02:26:17,920 --> 02:26:24,000
three canopy and green space and protect architectural variety within the unique single

1874
02:26:24,000 --> 02:26:31,420
family neighborhood. What happened to that? Why do we have sugar cubes? They don't fit

1875
02:26:31,420 --> 02:26:38,380
into this at all, but they're being approved. I have received this many waivers since October.

1876
02:26:38,380 --> 02:26:46,040
How can I possibly look into this, appeal this, understand all this, I'd have to live

1877
02:26:46,040 --> 02:26:48,720
downtown and I don't?

1878
02:26:49,900 --> 02:26:57,960
We have to stop this, we have to fix this, and the NCD can do that, it can do that, but we

1879
02:26:57,960 --> 02:27:05,240
have to stop looking at affordable housing, I'm sorry, but the grove is not affordable anymore.

1880
02:27:05,760 --> 02:27:06,160
I'm lucky.

1881
02:27:06,160 --> 02:27:07,580
I moved to a year ago.

1882
02:27:08,380 --> 02:27:09,340
I could not live here.

1883
02:27:09,780 --> 02:27:12,420
My cousin just moved here from West Virginia.

1884
02:27:13,360 --> 02:27:14,900
She makes, she has a wonderful job.

1885
02:27:15,040 --> 02:27:16,160
She can't live here.

1886
02:27:17,300 --> 02:27:18,580
So who are we kidding?

1887
02:27:20,750 --> 02:27:24,150
I'm lucky to have my home, you know, beautiful neighborhood

1888
02:27:24,150 --> 02:27:29,030
of one story, small houses that are all different.

1889
02:27:29,370 --> 02:27:30,370
I like that.

1890
02:27:30,890 --> 02:27:32,190
I like that they're different.

1891
02:27:32,230 --> 02:27:34,410
If I wanted to live at a planned development,

1892
02:27:34,410 --> 02:27:37,910
I can do that in candelor or up in Pemberg Pines.

1893
02:27:38,050 --> 02:27:38,770
I don't want that.

1894
02:27:38,770 --> 02:27:40,970
I don't want every home to look the same.

1895
02:27:41,530 --> 02:27:43,070
And that's what we're getting to.

1896
02:27:43,770 --> 02:27:44,850
We need your help.

1897
02:27:47,930 --> 02:27:49,990
The trees are being destroyed by these buildings.

1898
02:27:50,110 --> 02:27:54,630
I have many pictures showing exactly what's happened.

1899
02:27:55,890 --> 02:27:58,530
Next thing, the only other thing I wanted to talk about

1900
02:27:58,530 --> 02:28:00,270
is the Granny Flats.

1901
02:28:00,730 --> 02:28:03,370
I've been to at least seven meetings about this.

1902
02:28:03,510 --> 02:28:06,050
No one mentioned Granny Flats ever.

1903
02:28:06,050 --> 02:28:13,030
And it's in here now. I don't know how I got here. I live across the street from a two-story

1904
02:28:13,030 --> 02:28:22,570
McMansion that got in somehow with a granny flat in the back. There is no parking for them. None.

1905
02:28:23,630 --> 02:28:31,710
This we can't allow this. We can't have five cars parking out front because there's no drive. The driveway is this wide you can't get a car in there

1906
02:28:31,710 --> 02:28:39,850
So we have to dig deeper, get to the right, and CD for everybody, and protect what we have.

1907
02:28:40,050 --> 02:28:45,590
We're the oldest part of Miami, the oldest part, and people come here because it's beautiful.

1908
02:28:46,570 --> 02:28:50,330
If you continue making sugar cubes, it's not going to be beautiful anymore.

1909
02:28:50,650 --> 02:28:51,990
It's not going to be unique.

1910
02:28:53,650 --> 02:28:54,670
We are unique,

1911
02:28:56,690 --> 02:28:58,770
and we are very privileged to be here.

1912
02:28:58,770 --> 02:29:04,330
And I thank everybody for their time and effort and trying to help in the planning department

1913
02:29:04,330 --> 02:29:07,890
and Jeremy's been great and they're probably tired of hearing from us.

1914
02:29:08,830 --> 02:29:13,250
So there's another meeting April 9th now on the planning of 37th Avenue.

1915
02:29:13,830 --> 02:29:15,550
So how does that fit into this?

1916
02:29:16,350 --> 02:29:17,830
I just got the email today.

1917
02:29:19,810 --> 02:29:23,910
Now we're going to have another plan for 37th Avenue?

1918
02:29:24,250 --> 02:29:24,670
I don't know.

1919
02:29:24,970 --> 02:29:26,730
That's north of the US one.

1920
02:29:26,730 --> 02:29:30,730
I don't like that. Thank you.

1921
02:29:32,750 --> 02:29:48,970
Yeah, we're hosting the meeting at Armister, but the area of study is strictly north of U.S. one of U.S. one. I promise. That's bizarre. Okay. When you got, when you get, don't you believe that it would be for us?

1922
02:29:53,260 --> 02:29:59,980
Could I have 30 seconds to explain what this is? I couldn't hear you say. No, I'm not going out.

1923
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:02,400
You've had your chance.

1924
02:30:02,820 --> 02:30:09,340
If you pass something out to the board and your hand, could you please provide us a copy for the record?

1925
02:30:10,440 --> 02:30:11,000
Thank you.

1926
02:30:11,320 --> 02:30:14,800
All right, so with that, I close the discussion item.

1927
02:30:15,460 --> 02:30:17,640
I have some handouts that I didn't get to see.

1928
02:30:17,780 --> 02:30:21,640
Start down there and they'll make it way down to us.

1929
02:30:22,260 --> 02:30:26,660
Is there anyone on the board who'd like to add to the discussion tonight?

1930
02:30:27,940 --> 02:30:33,980
feedback for when city comes back or when the residents come back in terms of how we want

1931
02:30:33,980 --> 02:30:36,580
to handle ourselves when this item is before us.

1932
02:30:36,980 --> 02:30:38,880
I'm going to start on the end Mr. Gerson.

1933
02:30:42,660 --> 02:30:49,800
I guess the thing everyone is reiterating that other people are reiterating is the lack

1934
02:30:49,800 --> 02:30:53,120
of enforcement or the issues with enforcement.

1935
02:30:53,120 --> 02:31:00,420
But I think it is great that there is a department that is now fully staffed.

1936
02:31:00,440 --> 02:31:01,720
I've drawn all this time.

1937
02:31:07,700 --> 02:31:09,680
But when there

1938
02:31:12,720 --> 02:31:21,680
have been a few people that have made the comment that the tree issue, you know,

1939
02:31:21,820 --> 02:31:24,180
sort of is at the heart of some of the other issues.

1940
02:31:24,180 --> 02:31:32,660
It's even a lot coverage to some degrees about what it does to the tree canopy, and this

1941
02:31:32,660 --> 02:31:40,640
isn't really technical, but we know that the city no matter how hard it tries is not

1942
02:31:40,640 --> 02:31:47,380
going to do the job that needs to be done for the neighborhood if that's what the neighborhood

1943
02:31:47,380 --> 02:31:55,200
once. And so I also think that, you know, we've heard, we've heard this

1944
02:31:55,200 --> 02:32:02,280
time and again, I've read stuff online about this, but I think that there's a

1945
02:32:02,280 --> 02:32:11,000
place for some of this energy where there could be a, I mean, who, I'm sorry,

1946
02:32:11,000 --> 02:32:22,820
Who here runs the website that lists pictures of their neighbors or developers that aren't actually neighbors trees being cut down?

1947
02:32:23,100 --> 02:32:24,520
Who runs that website?

1948
02:32:28,440 --> 02:32:31,920
If you're going to address this, come right up to the mic so we can all hear you.

1949
02:32:38,890 --> 02:32:50,190
I'm not sure if you, if this is what you're referring to, but there is an organization called the Grove Watch Group, which is monitoring development over development,

1950
02:32:50,610 --> 02:32:52,810
lots splitting, tree cutting, et cetera.

1951
02:32:54,170 --> 02:32:57,110
And posting pictures on a website and on Facebook.

1952
02:32:58,110 --> 02:33:03,090
I think that that type of thing, I'm going to get some more technical stuff that Jeremy can actually help us with.

1953
02:33:03,090 --> 02:33:13,190
But I just want to say that something specifically targeted towards tree removal and the slow

1954
02:33:14,090 --> 02:33:19,590
tree removal that seems to happen over seasons when someone has the time to just slowly

1955
02:33:19,590 --> 02:33:23,190
ride it out for anyone finally sees the trees gone.

1956
02:33:23,980 --> 02:33:28,930
This happens in every neighborhood, not every neighborhood is as active, and not every neighborhood

1957
02:33:28,930 --> 02:33:35,510
It has the amount of people willing to put it in the time, and I think that you would all

1958
02:33:35,510 --> 02:33:39,890
be not to tell you what to do, but I know that you would all be well served by actually

1959
02:33:39,890 --> 02:33:47,050
having a specific website specifically for that, picking someone on each street and documenting

1960
02:33:47,050 --> 02:33:49,850
the time place and photographing this happening.

1961
02:33:50,210 --> 02:33:51,210
There's not a long discussion.

1962
02:33:51,450 --> 02:33:52,690
I'm just throwing that out there.

1963
02:33:52,710 --> 02:33:53,790
I know that that would work.

1964
02:33:54,050 --> 02:33:54,350
It's work.

1965
02:33:54,350 --> 02:33:55,990
It works in other places.

1966
02:33:55,990 --> 02:33:57,950
And I'm just going to throw that out there.

1967
02:33:58,510 --> 02:34:02,950
So I'm just putting out that would help you all.

1968
02:34:06,490 --> 02:34:10,850
I guess the question I have is more about the design.

1969
02:34:11,410 --> 02:34:16,130
I reviewed stuff there were a couple of people that had a couple of interesting comments

1970
02:34:16,130 --> 02:34:20,910
that for me made a lot of sense which were sort of a design review

1971
02:34:20,910 --> 02:34:32,800
touching on that and how much focus in this rework has been put on that and do you think

1972
02:34:34,840 --> 02:34:43,720
that you guys have put the time needed into that aspect of it for now?

1973
02:34:44,260 --> 02:34:49,080
So, I am extremely reluctant to try and legislate style.

1974
02:34:49,080 --> 02:34:52,040
I don't think it's anything that is usually successful.

1975
02:34:54,480 --> 02:35:02,920
I think the things that people object to now is a style that didn't exist ten years ago.

1976
02:35:03,360 --> 02:35:11,900
I don't know about the timeframe, but as we said, as I think Mr. Nelson said, there was an

1977
02:35:11,900 --> 02:35:13,480
objection to make mansion before.

1978
02:35:13,840 --> 02:35:15,400
The objection is to the massing.

1979
02:35:15,400 --> 02:35:18,500
So, that's what we focused on trying to limit.

1980
02:35:19,220 --> 02:35:21,360
I don't want to start to try and legislate style.

1981
02:35:21,860 --> 02:35:24,260
We do, however, that being said,

1982
02:35:24,660 --> 02:35:27,340
we do have established guidelines for West Grove

1983
02:35:27,340 --> 02:35:30,540
that we're going to apply as they were originally intended

1984
02:35:30,540 --> 02:35:37,900
and there was pretty significant drop off between the language and NCD2

1985
02:35:37,900 --> 02:35:40,120
and what the intent was.

1986
02:35:40,900 --> 02:35:41,980
So I think we've repaired that.

1987
02:35:41,980 --> 02:36:11,960
So, one completely agree with you, wanted to hear you say that, I do think that that's a road that doesn't lead to the right place, but the idea of massing and showing the different masses were a few people that raised comments about sort of visual aids in this conversation, and I think every time that the city and this neighbor would get together, there should be pictures because they help, you know,

1988
02:36:11,960 --> 02:36:20,400
and so I just would like to say that from here every time that we may or may not be talking

1989
02:36:20,400 --> 02:36:29,280
about some of these ideas it's not about style but showing volumes and how they sit are super

1990
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:38,400
helpful in these conversations. So I would like to see that when this is, you know, I'm still talking.

1991
02:36:39,760 --> 02:36:41,700
Are you asking her a question?

1992
02:36:49,260 --> 02:36:52,820
And I guess just the final point, similar, vain.

1993
02:36:53,940 --> 02:37:02,660
Mr. Coleman made the point that whatever the max available with bonuses and whatever

1994
02:37:02,660 --> 02:37:05,300
will become the new standard, right?

1995
02:37:05,560 --> 02:37:08,180
It doesn't matter sort of what the minimum is.

1996
02:37:08,460 --> 02:37:13,260
Think everyone's going to push the envelope to whatever the max envelope is.

1997
02:37:13,260 --> 02:37:20,900
not everyone but many people and just so I want to give way to every person in the neighborhood

1998
02:37:20,900 --> 02:37:27,980
who's concerned about the max with all the add-ons and things like that and what that

1999
02:37:27,980 --> 02:37:36,980
really looks like and encouraging you guys to be while not heavy handed in terms of design

2000
02:37:36,980 --> 02:37:41,980
and things like that and maybe looking at that 10% reduction from where you guys are at now

2001
02:37:41,980 --> 02:37:44,260
from 50 to 40 in green space,

2002
02:37:47,530 --> 02:37:51,430
but that all the other stuff you look at it in terms of what

2003
02:37:51,430 --> 02:37:57,570
the max possible is, and not being scared to push that down a little.

2004
02:38:01,140 --> 02:38:04,080
Well, thank you, Mr. Gerson. You covered most of my points.

2005
02:38:15,320 --> 02:38:15,800
I've lived in the Grove

2006
02:38:15,800 --> 02:38:21,540
We have to remember that what caused all this is this treat estimation and an innovation

2007
02:38:21,540 --> 02:38:25,280
of these bigger houses that we have to deal with.

2008
02:38:25,280 --> 02:38:27,960
If we do nothing, it's nothing is done.

2009
02:38:28,180 --> 02:38:30,980
We're going to keep getting what we got, which brought us to this point in the first place.

2010
02:38:31,620 --> 02:38:35,780
So I do think change is necessary, and it's how that change is going to be orchestrated

2011
02:38:35,780 --> 02:38:37,320
as what the big debate is.

2012
02:38:38,620 --> 02:38:41,820
And John has been very involved with that a lot of people have.

2013
02:38:42,500 --> 02:38:47,460
So, the main thing along with enforcement, which is over and over and over again, intent,

2014
02:38:47,640 --> 02:38:53,600
the intent language, I think needs to be very, very strong, because that then guides the

2015
02:38:53,600 --> 02:38:54,640
overall process.

2016
02:38:56,360 --> 02:39:02,020
I do think we saw that there's a big divergence between the NCD2 and NCD3 on things like

2017
02:39:02,020 --> 02:39:08,080
ADUs, which might, I don't think are going to fly in the NCD3, but I think in the, in the

2018
02:39:09,100 --> 02:39:14,580
They're looking for more density because of the affordability, so I think you should look at that really carefully.

2019
02:39:15,840 --> 02:39:23,120
There seems to be no support for these public benefits and bonuses are very little and was as carefully tailored.

2020
02:39:24,160 --> 02:39:25,040
Maybe more so.

2021
02:39:26,320 --> 02:39:33,580
I'd have to look at that very, because I know you're trying to put everything on Grand Avenue and Douglas, but that seems to have a lot of resistance.

2022
02:39:34,600 --> 02:39:39,180
The architectural diversity, Mr. Coleman, I think, addressed that very, very well, and I know

2023
02:39:39,180 --> 02:39:40,740
you've been talking to him.

2024
02:39:46,620 --> 02:39:52,840
Finally, Marcelo's point for an end is about if there needs to be some official somebody

2025
02:39:52,840 --> 02:39:54,960
in power that looks at grow issues.

2026
02:39:55,780 --> 02:40:00,780
I don't know where the village council can drum up support for funding for that, but I don't

2027
02:40:00,780 --> 02:40:02,980
think that's going to fly unless we do find funding.

2028
02:40:02,980 --> 02:40:09,700
And all the robots who show up and is very mostly wealthy community, saying we want this and this and this and this.

2029
02:40:10,040 --> 02:40:14,900
If there's no funding for it, the cities, other four commissioners are going to say good luck with that.

2030
02:40:15,360 --> 02:40:24,780
So I would strongly suggest that maybe we find a way to finance something that would give us more coverage for trees and all the other issues.

2031
02:40:25,460 --> 02:40:32,660
Because this overall struggle is the issue of zoning, property rights, and I should say

2032
02:40:32,660 --> 02:40:37,720
Rick Zellman there, and Melissa, property rights and zoning regulations always conflict.

2033
02:40:38,140 --> 02:40:42,060
There's always got to be a balanced Mr. Treeshurst spoke about it. But that's the conflict.

2034
02:40:42,360 --> 02:40:46,940
You're not going to be able to satisfy both groups. It's got to be somewhere in the middle

2035
02:40:46,940 --> 02:40:50,980
where people don't think they're getting screwed out of their property rights, and the overall

2036
02:40:50,980 --> 02:40:57,700
value of the grove is protected for the whole community, and that's just preaching to the choir, I know Jeremy, and that's what you're working on.

2037
02:40:57,980 --> 02:41:03,000
But don't think you can get everything guys, because you're either for property rights or you're for protecting the community,

2038
02:41:03,860 --> 02:41:08,020
and there's a big conflict that it's always going on in zoning law, always.

2039
02:41:08,920 --> 02:41:10,720
So that's all I have to say about that.

2040
02:41:13,510 --> 02:41:14,410
I think to my right.

2041
02:41:17,630 --> 02:41:19,670
Two things really stood out to me tonight.

2042
02:41:19,670 --> 02:41:23,450
When the NCDs were first to set up,

2043
02:41:23,450 --> 02:41:27,750
they were set up to protect these individual areas of the growth that are so unique.

2044
02:41:28,450 --> 02:41:30,770
And I feel that from what I'm hearing,

2045
02:41:31,230 --> 02:41:34,770
that by blending them back into the Miami-21 code,

2046
02:41:34,910 --> 02:41:38,330
not back into but to put them into the Miami-21 code,

2047
02:41:38,750 --> 02:41:40,910
I sense with a lot of people that are here tonight

2048
02:41:40,910 --> 02:41:43,130
that have spoken, that they're concerned,

2049
02:41:43,530 --> 02:41:45,530
that they're going to lose those protections

2050
02:41:45,530 --> 02:41:50,110
once it's in part of the Miami 20, there won't be as much accountability, there won't

2051
02:41:50,110 --> 02:41:55,470
be that protection, and I just think we really need to be very careful, the areas

2052
02:41:55,470 --> 02:42:02,070
and C-2 and 3 are so different as we heard tonight, and the needs of the people in those

2053
02:42:02,070 --> 02:42:06,270
areas are so unique, though if we're very careful that we don't take away the protections,

2054
02:42:07,250 --> 02:42:08,650
but it's strongly represented.

2055
02:42:08,650 --> 02:42:11,750
So I'd like to make something clear.

2056
02:42:12,390 --> 02:42:20,310
The, this will remain as a separate index, separate from the bulk of my me 21, and just as it is now,

2057
02:42:20,550 --> 02:42:31,170
it was NCD2 and 3, although I have to strongly advocate that this day as one, one NCD ordinance,

2058
02:42:31,490 --> 02:42:37,650
covering both West Grove and the rest of the Grove, for a couple of reasons, because there's overlap

2059
02:42:37,650 --> 02:42:43,530
and protections that are not there now, like the reason it's easier to develop in West

2060
02:42:43,530 --> 02:42:48,330
Grove now is because the protections that are in NCD3 are not and do not apply there.

2061
02:42:49,170 --> 02:42:54,770
So to a lot of the problems have become because of his split up and we also had tremendous

2062
02:42:54,770 --> 02:43:00,110
support for unifying it in all of those initial public meetings.

2063
02:43:01,270 --> 02:43:06,970
And I would also just like to bring up that the affordability issue in the public meetings

2064
02:43:06,970 --> 02:43:12,050
in the surveys that we have actually was considered a more important issue than even lots of

2065
02:43:12,810 --> 02:43:16,210
diminishment in those public meetings.

2066
02:43:17,090 --> 02:43:24,350
So those public meetings carry a lot of weight because they were very well attended and

2067
02:43:24,350 --> 02:43:31,810
there was a tremendous amount of support for unifying the NCDs at that time into one of us.

2068
02:43:31,810 --> 02:43:41,690
And again, we are incorporating all of the protections and extending the protections in strengthening the protections of NCD2 in this ordinance.

2069
02:43:42,410 --> 02:43:43,150
I appreciate you.

2070
02:43:43,250 --> 02:43:45,870
Tonight answering everyone's questions and responding as well.

2071
02:43:46,050 --> 02:43:46,270
She did.

2072
02:43:46,690 --> 02:43:46,810
Thank you.

2073
02:43:47,890 --> 02:43:50,390
I've just put a couple of comments from the chair.

2074
02:43:51,010 --> 02:43:55,950
I live in an NCD1 and it's one page long.

2075
02:43:55,950 --> 02:44:05,410
And it's been very easy for us lay persons who live in the neighborhood to interpret it, and it's pretty easy for the city to talk to us about it.

2076
02:44:05,750 --> 02:44:14,670
You know, I know lawyers love 40, 50 page documents with a lot of clauses, so I would just be careful on what you sign up to that you.

2077
02:44:14,990 --> 02:44:21,030
Even if you don't like what you signed up to, make sure you understand so how you can fight it when it does get passed.

2078
02:44:21,650 --> 02:44:28,010
Because we've used our NCT quite a few times and the simple language works for us in our single

2079
02:44:28,010 --> 02:44:35,170
family neighborhood and we've been able to protect it for as long as I've been involved

2080
02:44:36,150 --> 02:44:38,190
in the neighborhood politics, so to speak.

2081
02:44:39,350 --> 02:44:42,010
I also echoed the comments about code enforcement.

2082
02:44:43,210 --> 02:44:51,010
I wonder, I think someone said that if it wasn't for code enforcement, maybe we wouldn't

2083
02:44:51,010 --> 02:44:56,390
would have been taken care of a lot earlier and you might have been able to walk your way

2084
02:44:56,390 --> 02:44:59,970
here versus having to come to a point where we're...

2085
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:04,980
It's just a lot of anxiety because what the city has already done to you.

2086
02:45:05,320 --> 02:45:09,160
So there's probably some trust issues you guys have with the city, in my guess.

2087
02:45:09,920 --> 02:45:12,380
And I go back to the NCD language, make sure you understand it.

2088
02:45:12,400 --> 02:45:17,080
Even if you lose, make sure you think you lose, make sure you understand it.

2089
02:45:17,420 --> 02:45:18,000
Thank you.

2090
02:45:18,800 --> 02:45:22,320
I just wanted to ask, I think, thank you for the time in their input.

2091
02:45:22,320 --> 02:45:31,960
It was such a short-up period of time between now and April, 18th, what your goal is from now

2092
02:45:31,960 --> 02:45:39,900
and so then with the residents to try to come up with her visions of this that everyone's

2093
02:45:39,900 --> 02:45:42,500
a little bit more comfortable with.

2094
02:45:42,860 --> 02:45:44,840
And if you think that's achievable in two weeks.

2095
02:45:45,740 --> 02:45:51,200
To be honest, getting something that everybody agrees on, I do not believe is achievable.

2096
02:45:51,200 --> 02:45:53,040
I'll do respect.

2097
02:45:55,200 --> 02:46:00,100
I do think there's a couple of tweaks that I've heard tonight that I'd like to look

2098
02:46:00,100 --> 02:46:08,040
into the incentivizing the single story building, which has some moving pieces along with

2099
02:46:08,040 --> 02:46:08,780
it.

2100
02:46:09,340 --> 02:46:15,000
Honestly, I think that's the only thing that we would really want to propose changing.

2101
02:46:15,820 --> 02:46:26,860
I feel like a lot of the concerns about ADUs, we've limited them to certain lot sizes already.

2102
02:46:28,040 --> 02:46:36,200
And some of the other things that maybe there's some pushback on that we feel like we've already gotten to a good place compromise was.

2103
02:46:36,200 --> 02:46:51,240
And I think I'm hoping that, you know, with the latest revision and the latest map change that everyone gets comfortable with the, the, the, the lot diminishment language, where it really is going to be very strong.

2104
02:46:51,980 --> 02:46:58,180
It doesn't make the possibility of a lot to diminish, it doesn't make it impossible, but it makes it unlikely.

2105
02:46:58,180 --> 02:47:08,520
and much more appropriate when they, if and when they are split, that they're not getting into much, much smaller lots in the, in the, in the, in the neighborhood.

2106
02:47:09,320 --> 02:47:17,280
One of the, that was much, I thought was very important was the grandfathering of the non-conformity, like, which as well.

2107
02:47:17,660 --> 02:47:26,380
And then last, I know there was not a lot of input here from the commercial, but I think attendance at that,

2108
02:47:26,380 --> 02:47:29,340
meeting on the 10th is would be a very important

2109
02:47:31,840 --> 02:47:36,530
question. I'm sorry. On the

2110
02:47:36,530 --> 02:47:43,030
tree mitigation keeping it within a boundary versus the larger the city of

2111
02:47:43,030 --> 02:47:49,990
large. I don't could you explain that would need to be a chapter 17 of

2112
02:47:49,990 --> 02:48:00,070
a separate section of the code. I'm not going to ask for a ruling on that

2113
02:48:00,070 --> 02:48:08,090
I remember you saying that if that's something that is a one or two line type of

2114
02:48:08,090 --> 02:48:13,190
modification is that something that you would pursue sooner rather than later because I think that would go

2115
02:48:13,190 --> 02:48:14,470
That's such a practical

2116
02:48:15,570 --> 02:48:21,210
Simple makes sense everyone can wrap their head around a kind of the current language says within commission district

2117
02:48:21,210 --> 02:48:28,970
Which is a large geographic area. I think I think I would hope that that could be something that

2118
02:48:29,490 --> 02:48:30,990
that we could get on board with.

2119
02:48:31,610 --> 02:48:33,850
So, that's something you're on board with.

2120
02:48:33,850 --> 02:48:36,010
Yeah, I think I'll look into it.

2121
02:48:36,110 --> 02:48:38,410
And then just back on my note about bringing pictures,

2122
02:48:39,630 --> 02:48:44,550
bringing the map next time please and any other maps.

2123
02:48:44,870 --> 02:48:45,790
More visual aids.

2124
02:48:46,310 --> 02:48:46,770
Thank you.

2125
02:48:47,230 --> 02:48:50,070
I can use myself and you with the public benefits comment.

2126
02:48:50,350 --> 02:48:51,390
I am supportive of that.

2127
02:48:51,570 --> 02:48:53,550
The way you've got it tailored for the affordable.

2128
02:48:54,330 --> 02:48:55,790
I really meant to address the bonuses.

2129
02:48:55,810 --> 02:48:58,330
I think you've got a severe pushback on the bonuses.

2130
02:48:58,330 --> 02:49:01,990
They asked for 15%, so I think you need to look at that.

2131
02:49:03,130 --> 02:49:04,550
Okay, that's what I meant.

2132
02:49:09,130 --> 02:49:09,790
All right, thank you all.

2133
02:49:09,830 --> 02:49:13,730
Thank you all for coming out tonight, and we look forward to seeing you back here in City Hall.

2134
02:49:50,480 --> 02:49:52,640
Data Florida is a wonderful place.

2135
02:49:53,540 --> 02:49:55,400
Diversity and amazing wildlife.

2136
02:49:56,700 --> 02:50:00,600
Sunlit beaches, wetlands, forests, spring.