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To order, roll call, missado, care, Mr. Brady, Mr. O'Hara, Mr. Spirick, Mr. Bolton, we have quorum.

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Thank you. Order of business any additions, deletions or deferrals, any comments.

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I know we got a lot of people here. I guess most of these folks are for the ordinance issue.

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I was just trying to figure out as their better way to kind of accommodate those folks

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and the applications that we have in front of us today.

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Any comments on that?

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Should we listen to maybe comments from the body here?

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And then do our applications and then come back to our ordinance discussion?

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or just to do the ordinance and let the folks wait.

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Follow the agenda.

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Please sit down.

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No, I didn't ask you.

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Please sit down and I'll give you a chance for comments.

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Thank you.

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You'll have your chance.

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All right.

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No, we'll follow the agenda.

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I'd like to open it to public comments.

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And you may start us off.

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Please go to the podium and stick your name and address and you have a three-minute limit

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No, we don't yep the staker Social Security if you want further accurate. I don't

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I name is Ota and I guess he has 48 defined notice one or three street and you are asking us for

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comment before the meeting. How can we make any comment before we don't know how the meeting is going done?

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Okay, make a comment. You want to know what's going on. That's why they are here. And then we make a comment.

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That's all.

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Thank you.

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I have comments before the discussion.

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I am Cindy Herbs, I'm from 1,000 North East, 96th Street, and I'm here again to reiterate

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the fact that I'm very much not in support of the current proposed ordinance.

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For the sheer fact that the information provided on the 2025 residential parcel analysis shows that a much different picture than what we were led to believe by the Cordino consultants, information which guided us in the workshops.

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Over 97% of the existing single-family residential parcels have significantly lower averages

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in the 2024 zoning amendment and the proposed ordnant.

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For instance, lot coverage ranged from 22 to 30%.

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It's now proposed at 42% for one story and 32% for two story.

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Building height averages from 13.5 to 19 feet, it's now proposed at 28 feet.

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Livable average square footage was at 1,613,100 square feet.

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There is no limit in the proposed ordinance.

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And hence the creation of the 6,7 bedroom, 7 and 1 half bath homes.

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If our goal in the purpose of this initiative is to be more effective regulating home size,

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bulk and overall scale to maintain the neighborhood compatibility,

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then we owe it to ourselves not to turn a blind eye to the fact that the information we were given by Cordino to work with was flawed,

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and as a result our results are flawed and will not align with or deliver what we want or expect.

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It will leave us with much larger build-outs of homes,

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which fly in the face of neighborhood compatibility and decrease green spaces and tree

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canapies on residential parcels. I think it's important that the board and

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Cordina go back and review the changes outlined in the 2025 parcel analysis. With

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intention, review, edit, and revise down as needed to make sure the ordinance gets

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us to where we hope to land. I just don't think we're there, the numbers don't correlate

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are too large. When I look around the community, we still have very large homes sitting on

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too small of lots, and the sad realization that younger generations of families who in

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the past would look to stay and buy in Miami shores may no longer be able to afford to, since

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we are decimating smaller homes. This board has the opportunity to guide and preserve our history.

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We don't want to look like Miami Beach, Bel-Mid, or any other nearby communities. We want

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preserve and enhance our beauty and our character and protect our tree

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canopies. Let's not be so quick to throw away our history and our legacy.

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But instead embrace and preserve that which has made us distinct.

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Because once it's gone it's gone.

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Thank you.

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Linda Schwartz, 1304 Northeast 104 Street.

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I agree what Cindy just said.

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also the whole community is changing and not for the best. Not only are we losing

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our beautiful trees to reckless and I don't give a

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and had the money to pay the

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fines but we're losing trees. I mean even though they have the little orange things

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preserving the trees. We turn around and those trees are gone. There's no explanation.

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My concern is that I see here, somebody who bought it to my attention, that it seems that

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the people, the owners, to be LLC. So that rings a little bell in my head that the user people

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who are here to invest and make profits and disappear and to sell to people that, you know,

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have the money for the means.

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We still have on our block, 104 street a house that went, I think, 7 million, now it's six.

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And it's still not a saleable house.

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I mean, I did a tour.

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And that originally they had fake foliage in the back.

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There is no thinking about some of these houses.

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And I don't know, you know, you all reading the plans

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of the houses.

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I mean, this is the house where all the bedrooms are upstairs.

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Steep stairs.

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No steps are you could see through.

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Things can fall through.

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The laundry room is beautiful.

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and downstairs. It's gorgeous, but there's no lift or no Tom waiter. And you'll really be dumb.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Everybody, Carol, in a respondent one, one, six, two, northeast, one, fifth, straight.

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First, I haven't been here many times over the past quite a few years.

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I just want to thank you all for all the hard work that you put in before the meeting and during the meeting.

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I understand that it's a lot more than anybody even imagines and thank you for that and I thank

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you also for wanting to always find the middle for working together to compromise so that you can

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find the middle. I get how hard that is but I think if we don't do it, we don't succeed so thank

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you for that. Having said that, I still hope that you'll find a way I know that you've already

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done this, but I hope that you'll find a way to decrease the maximum lot coverage, especially

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for large lots.

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I hope you'll find a way to decrease maximum impervious spaces because we can see we're flooding

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like crazy whenever it rains everywhere.

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And for the garage conversions that you guys have thought about and talked about, I hope

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that you will when the bedrooms are more than four.

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I hope that you will require more parking of those places and that you will make sure that

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that new parking area is also pervious.

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That's it.

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Thank you for all your efforts.

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Appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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Good evening.

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We're in the Guinness.

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15 North East London.

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I echo the comments that you've heard.

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I also echo the comments of every single resident that's appeared before this board

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in the past two years since the 2024 amendments were adopted.

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When those were adopted, we were shooting in the dark.

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We were looking at other municipalities.

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We were trying to see what would apply.

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Let's see if we could get to where we need to be.

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They've been in place for two years.

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Those of you who've been on this board,

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know that weekend and week out,

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month in and month out,

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you have applications coming here trying to build to the max,

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get away with the minimum,

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and it's individual houses.

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Individual houses, one by one,

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that are getting demolished and replaced.

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And it's not to say you can't demolish a house

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that needs to be demolished.

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I'm not opposed to development.

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I'm not. Surprisingly, I'm not. But I am opposed to what that development does and the outcome

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of that development on this entire community. And I'm also concerned about the future with

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the infrastructure, as we're going through septic to sewer conversion in the shores of

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states. If we're tripling the size of homes, which these numbers allow, they allow. And I don't

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anybody's really crunch these numbers. I appreciate the effort you all have done a deep dive on a lot of

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areas in this code that I agree with, but the most problematic weren't really touched at all and

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really weren't meaningfully discussed, especially in light of the study that was done by the Cordino

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group about the built-out community here. And when 97% of the homes that are here are well the

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of these numbers that were put in place in 2024?

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How can we not expect that this continual trend of things being out of size at a scale

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running off into the neighbors' yards?

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I mean, I see that you're trying to address all of these issues.

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But fundamentally, if these numbers are well at a range, which they are, I mean, they're

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well at a range.

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I mean, you heard them earlier by one of the commenters, but are far range based on the data

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in that chart is under 0.26, 0.26, our far range for multifamily is 0.5, but we have

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ours at 0.45. We're allowing multifamily buildings basically to be built in a residential

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neighborhood. It's tripling the size of homes that are existing. How can we not know that that's

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going to have an adverse effect? I also think these numbers, the increase in those four groups,

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is ridiculous. I also think the groupings are ridiculous. You have over 23,000 square foot

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differential in the fourth group in the largest lots. How does that even get passed?

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In the smallest lots, we don't even acknowledge them. And yet we're letting them be built out. There's

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two examples of shotgun homes on 95th Street, east of second-outh. They're new builds 2020.

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Go see what they look like. Do the math on them? Guess what? They're well below the number

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that you're proposing. This is just ridiculous. I don't know where these numbers came. I wasn't

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present for the meeting that you had with respect to where these numbers came from. And I

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understand the objective and the objective is good. I get it. But the numbers don't work. And they

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need to be real-valuated. So I really appreciate-

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The efforts that have been made, I think there's been tremendous progress in a lot of areas that are trying to address the issues.

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But these fundamental numbers are too much. And this data cannot be ignored because we didn't have it available two years ago.

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We haven't available, but it wasn't even addressed. So I would ask you to go and revisit. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Good evening.

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Many don't want to.

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I'm at 40 Northeast County First Street.

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I've lived in this neighborhood for now 15 years.

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I'm also a architect and a planner with over 20 years experience.

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So I'm looking at this from a slightly different perspective.

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I'm seeing what the code was previously that we've changed.

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That the new code is obviously trying to fix wrongs, right?

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It was a much more dense code where everyone's saying that

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the community is smaller, yes, it is smaller.

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It has evolved over time, which is honestly

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what drove me to the neighborhood.

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It's a beautiful neighborhood.

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The range of architectural styles is amazing.

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You can see the natural evolution of the architecture

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through the author of the years.

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And that's not something you see common in Miami.

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Most neighborhoods try to kind of contain a style

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and they kind of go with that as years gone.

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Miami sure has had evolved.

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And much like that, the zoning code needs to evolve.

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So, it's not true to want to go back and see, okay, there's things that are not, we don't like some of the buildings over size, the houses are out of scale.

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So, we need to see what can be done to improve them.

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But what I feel as my concern as a resident and as a planner is that I'm looking at the changes,

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and we're reacting to a fear of oversight scale,

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and instead of going through and truly evaluating what the characteristics of the neighborhood are,

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What have made the neighborhood, what it is, what have made these houses that we proudly show on our newsletters every month?

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This is the historic house of the month and we show a beautiful two story home. None of those homes. None of those homes would fit under the current code.

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For whatever reason either upper-level sub-backs, front-step-backs, continuous facades, you've taken

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What has made the neighborhood what it is and you are completely ignoring it as a part of the first thing I do when I come into an neighborhood

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I try to see what's unique about it. What's made it what it is and the diversity in style the diversity in size the way that the neighborhood has naturally evolved and continue to grow

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the needs for people

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100 years ago for a house are nowhere near the needs for families now.

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We need more space. So yes, naturally, the homes are going to be larger.

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But that has to be done responsibly. So what you're doing and looking at the code and trying to figure out,

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how do we improve that? That's great. But we can't throw the book at it.

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And what we're doing right now is throwing the book at it.

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They are law coverage, different law coverage is for one story versus two story, different

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law coverage is for law size, different law sizes.

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You're adding all these percentages on top of percentages and all you're doing is making

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it harder for the planners to evaluate.

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And I have some diagrams I can show you guys later on, if you want, to illustrate how you're

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to make the planners lives even harder because essentially they have three styles of building

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that they need to look at. One story home with one lot of percentage, a two story

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home with a pitch roof with one percentage and a two story home with a flat roof with

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different setbacks. So what you're doing in this case is now you're starting to affect the

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style, you're affecting the form and you're dictating style by doing this. The best thing

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You can do for an architect is given them the ability to come up and have flexibility to massage

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the buildings.

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If you give them an FAR and you tell them they can be two stories, they know they can only

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go so much on the ground and they can only go so much on the second floor, it repeats a

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clay.

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You're molding it.

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But if you're giving them one percentage for the ground, if you're happy with one percentage

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on the ground for one story, why would you need to do a second percentage if you're doing

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a two story?

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It doesn't change your FAR.

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If you were fine with a larger lock coverage, then you should be fine with it on a two-story.

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Side step-backs, front step-backs on the upper levels, it's not doing anything for you.

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Go look at most of the houses that are in your catalog of historic homes.

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None of them do that, and they're amazing, and why, because it's the characters, the style of the home.

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And that's what we need to focus on.

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is not the, well, it's a solid, it's a flat roof and that's an issue because now we've had more flat roof designs coming to the neighborhood.

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That's not the issue, it's the design, it's materiality.

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That is detail, its texture. That is what's going to give the change. Not all these additional requirements, that's not what's going to do it. So I really think you need to stick a step back and look at what's truly important in with the neighborhood and how you implement that into a building because it's not all these additional regulations.

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It's not throwing the book at it, that's not going to solve the answer.

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Good evening, board members, Leslie Domeante for 18 or

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These Ninety First String.

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I actually had a set of things that I wanted to say.

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And hearing the comments, I'm realizing that we're addressing an issue

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that we can't legally address.

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And that's where the flaw in this ordinances.

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The ordinance and the staff report don't actually say what everybody is saying.

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And it's because it can't legally do so.

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So, by definition, this ordinance is flawed, and it is not going to deal with what the issue that the public is identifying out there, it's not going to deal with that.

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Good zoning requires, for the minimum thresholds and the minimum regulation to be evaluated and to be applied.

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that's good zoning. You do the minimum to address the problem and it requires a rational

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nexus. I'm an architect, I'm a planner. I have over 20 years of planning experience over

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10 of those years in municipal experience. I have worked in cities all over the southeast. I have

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never come across the city that tries, as my husband said, to throw the book at it. You are looking

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for absolutely every regulatory tool to throw at this.

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This is not built in suspenders.

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This is a 12-buckle straight jacket.

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You are tying architects, creativity.

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You are hindering exactly what made this neighborhood

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beautiful that you're doing the exact opposite.

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And the worst part is, and what I have learned

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in over 20 years of doing this,

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is that you cannot legislate good design.

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you cannot legislate good design. So you're going to do this. It's not going to work. You're

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going to come and come up with another 20 regulations to throw at it and it's still not

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going to work. We're still going to have the ugly white boxes. They're just going to taper back

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and forth. It's not going to solve anything. And we're still not going to address the character

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of the neighborhood. And yet we're putting together our noise that is not enforceable. It's

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much notoriously enforceable. The state of Florida will not legally allow us to enforce

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this ordinance. And to hear you say that you're willing to take the risk, it's quite

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callous because you're doing it with my money because you're setting up the city for liability.

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nowhere in the back up, did I see, I heard a lot of percentages here today. I haven't seen

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a single report that speaks to the amount of houses that are going to be rendered non-conforming

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as a result of this.

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Where is that percentage? What happens when a hurricane comes?

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And if there's some devastating catastrophe, I want to have to deal with that.

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Sure, there's waivers, there's things, but why are we joining a box that we got to get out of?

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Why? Why is that necessary? Why when we could actually have good zoning regulations? Why when you

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So wherewithall to comment on the design or the lot size or whatever it is before you and

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comment on it, you don't have to resort to the book.

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You don't have to resort to the book.

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So I encourage you to go back to the drawing board because what you're doing is the exact

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opposite.

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You're actually hurting lots like mine that are smaller lots and you're not going to solve

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the problem.

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Thank you very much.

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I also want to thank you guys for all the hard work that you put in.

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I know it hasn't been easy, it hasn't been fun, it hasn't been fun for us either.

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So I think the one thing that I want to remind everybody is that we've been talking about this for five years,

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at least minimum, of all the giant sugar cubes that are going up in our neighborhood.

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And I think that the part of it that disturbs me the most is that we're not taking into consideration the shores as a community.

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You have people that are building these monsters homes next to these regular sized normal size homes, and you're taking away their privacy, you're taking away their sunshine, you're pouring water onto their grounds.

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So there's a lot more at stake than just simply somebody wanting to put a house there, and so many of them are LLCs and spec homes. So the people that are putting them up aren't even going to have to have a plan on staying, but you know what whoever lives there's going to have to face those neighbors every day.

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So I think we need to be respectful at the same time when we're trying to consider this and take into account that many of us have lived in this community for years.

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I've been here for 62 years. I've seen plenty of changes. And change is good and it's going to happen. There's nothing we can do about that.

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But at the same time we can try to approach it with grace and with respect and listening to other people and having taken the time to listen to them.

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and honor what they have and all the years that they put in in this community.

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So I just ask you, don't rush into this. Take your time. Let's do it the right way.

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There's a lot of people who were still on vacation or who aren't even here who would like to be here this evening.

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So I think in my opinion, I would like to be able to table this so that everybody can think

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think it through better and perhaps come up with some better options. Thank you.

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The name of the address.

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Bernard Maton, I leave it at 53-0, is 155th Street, I've been living there since 1988,

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and the concern that I have when I drive around Miami, and I see, for example,

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I had

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construction, the problem with traffic,

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we have a place here in Miami

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shores that's unique. We need to keep it that way. And going the route of having

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these high-rise housing, I'm not exactly sure in how many flows, I think you

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And you won't go up to three floors.

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It's a concern in terms of what happens to the environment

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overall.

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So I don't know if you're going to make a decision now.

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I'm not aware.

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I just got the information on that new zoning regulation.

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I think it has to be questioned.

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I think saying with the original plan of the village is what we need to do.

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That would be my two cents based on what I've learned and what I've seen around in Miami.

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This is a beautiful village.

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We need to keep it that way.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Any more public comment?

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No more public comment?

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minutes approval of this vlog.

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Very simple. Diana Pekio 400 Northwest. A hundred and twelve

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terrorists. All I need want to say is it hurts my eyes when I go by those big square houses that

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look like boxes and I don't feel like Miami Shorts anymore. And I imagine we allow this that I'm

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stop and it kills the beauty of the style of the shores. That's all I have to say. It really

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they're awful. That's all. I'm in of all the other environmental that damages like in

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I'm just talking about the visual impact on the shores.

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That's all.

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Thank you.

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Good evening, everybody.

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We're going to pack you four hundred and over a hundred and twelve terrors.

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Just one question.

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Have you ever seen with the news those big square white houses look like in a nice neighborhood?

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Get down north for a second Avenue and look at the white horse to the left.

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When you drive halfway down and you see all the rest of the houses looking really good, and you got this thing sitting there. Have a good day.

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I need other public comment

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hearing none, approval of minutes.

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Good to approve minutes of the April 23rd meeting.

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Second, all in favour? Aye.

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I've comments on the May 28th meeting.

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Okay.

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The first commenter who also commented this evening, the sentiments of the commenter, I think, are not captured accurately, although the commenter did, I think, invert the FAR conversation.

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The person was very clear that they do not want larger homes, and I think that that should be reflected in the comments.

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This is public comment number four.

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force into your herpsed, then beyond that, on page seven, I think, when we were talking

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about the language of the additional step back on the second story that don't recall,

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for sure, who presented that, because I thought it was me or you, but that was you.

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I support it, but I think that the record might want to be corrected.

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So that's page seven, 10, 11, Mr. Spurt proposed that in language requiring a additional step

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back. That was actually Mr. O'Hara.

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That's all I have on the

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main minutes.

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So Brandon has two comments. Do I have a

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motion to approve of this as corrected?

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Oh, I'm favor. I minutes approve. Item six A legislative item.

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In order instead of the village council, Miami Shores, appendix A zoning to

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comprehensively update regulations relating to the residential district.

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Providing for implementation, effective day

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discussion?

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Do you mind if I, I think it's important to at least give a summary to where we are.

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Thank you, sir.

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In recent years, redevelopment trends have underscored the need to more effectively regulate home-sized bulk overall scale to maintain neighborhood compatibility.

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and as part of the village's broader effort to update its land development code,

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the village initiated this review and revision of the residential arsonic code provisions.

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The purpose of the initiative is to address outdated standards

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and ensure that future residential growth aligns with the communities planning objectives.

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At the direction of the village council and the planning zone imports staff conducted a detailed analysis

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of the existing residential arcode regulations and identified provisions requiring clarification and amendments.

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staff also implemented a structured public engagement process to inform residents about how

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zoning standards function and to solicit meaningful input on potential revisions.

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Two community workshops were held on April 22nd, 2025 and July 17th, 2025.

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These sessions included visual presentations followed by moderated discussion.

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Public input was collected through live question and answer periods.

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written surveys, common cards, and follow-up email submissions.

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To ensure transparency and broad and participation,

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staff created a dedicated R code webpage on the planning

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zoning department's website.

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The webpage includes an online survey, video recordings,

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and downloadable presentation materials.

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This webpage has also been up to date and serves as a timeline

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of all of the events from the beginning and up to where we are today.

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So at any point in time, any member of the General Public can visit the webpage and view

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staff's past presentations or executive summary report and a link to all of the meetings.

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In September 2025, staff prepared the executive summary report, which compiled the public feedback

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and provided a professional analysis of the primary issues identified.

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The report evaluated recurring themes and outlined potential regulatory approaches.

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This summary served as the basis for drafting proposed amendments to the Residential

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R code provisions.

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On December 8, 2025, staff presented the draft tax amendments at a dual-unnoticed planning

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zoning board special call meeting.

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Staff summarized the public engagement process, outlined the proposed changes, and presented

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and illustrative graphics to demonstrate the practical effects of the revisions.

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The board conducted a section by section review of the draft ordinance and per second.

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Provided direction regarding provisions to retain and sections requiring modification prior to scheduling a future public hearing.

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Now, I think what's important here is that within staff's report that has been mentioned throughout the course of the public comments,

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There's data that essentially is pulled directly from GIS.

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Like this is factual data, right?

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And it essentially calls out what are the lot sizes

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where they located, when was the site built,

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what's the existing lock coverage,

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the building footprint, so on and so forth.

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And what's important to note is that in 2024,

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the village adopted the zoning and progress.

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So in essence, up until 2024,

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There were no regulations in place.

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There was no lock-overage.

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There was no FAR.

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There was no impervious data.

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Essentially a developer could build up to their setbacks.

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And there was no other type of regulations that would limit

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what someone could build.

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Unfortunately, what it does for us is that it serves as a line

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in the sand.

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Because once the 2024 zoning progress was put in place,

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there was an FAR.

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there was a lot of coverage. There was an impervious data that we now have to regulate.

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Substitute to that later in 2024, the state adopted regulations that made it difficult

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for any local municipality to draft rules that are more restrictive. So therefore, in

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staff's draft ordinance, we had to measure the community input, the board's desire, but

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And also we could not exceed the numerical values that were adopted in 2024, because otherwise

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we would be encouraging an ordinance that would be more strict than what the state of Florida

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allows in this ability to conduct.

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So that is why the numbers are where they are, and more specifically where staff kind of

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that because we had a baseline that we could not surpass.

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So prior to the March 26 planning zoning board meeting at which the revised ordinance was scheduled

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for consideration, Village staff conducted a comprehensive legal and policy review of the

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draft ordinance for consistency with the recently enacted state of Florida legislation.

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Governing local zoning authority, recent legislation adopted by the Florida legislature, had introduced

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additional parameters affecting the municipal zoning authority, including provisions that

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may limit the extent to which local governments modify residential development standards

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or regulate certain aspects of design for single-family dwellings.

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Pursuant to this review staff evaluated the board-directed amendments to assess potential areas

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of inconsistency with the applicable law. As a result of that analysis, specific provisions

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previously discussed by the board were not included in the March ordinance,

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With their implementation, could present legal concerns and create potential inconsistencies

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with state law.

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At the March meeting, the Board reviewed the proposed ordinance section by section and made

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additional changes to the ordinance including directing staff to introduce certain provisions

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that had previously been omitted following staff's legal and policy review.

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And therefore, the revised ordinance was presented once more at the planning and zoning

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boards may 28th meeting, where further additional revisions were requested, and therefore

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we are, that brings us to where we are tonight, where this ordinance essentially has all

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of the indicated amendments that the board has discussed and requested of us, and that's

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what we're going to thank you.

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Thank you.

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Any, before we get started here, any comments from the board, I mean, I guess my thoughts

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are, my thoughts are, we have this draft and we're in process of polishing it.

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Maybe we should go through and, you know, there's a few discrepancy here I'd like to

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discuss to just try to get us to a finished draft of what we started and then at the meeting

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discuss if we want to go forward and make the recommendation to pursue it or maybe table

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for another meeting, for further discussion, but I think that's the public and general needs to understand

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also that with Eddie just mentioned and that's a good point that the Florida statute

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do kind of limit us to what we have right there with our FAR and our lot coverage.

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So if we go any tighter than that, then as one of our speakers said too, we're opening ourselves up.

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I wanted to make a general general comment. Just to kind of zoom out and look at this big picture, why is we're stuck between a rock and art place.

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We have an overwhelming majority of the participating public that show up at these meetings that have asked us, pleaded with us, to try to enact regulations that prevent these larger structures being built upon these properties.

444
00:40:26,140 --> 00:40:29,300
And they don't understand why this is happening.

445
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:34,440
I think they think that we've changed the codes and that has then therefore allowed that to happen.

446
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,400
And although I know that our planning and zoning director has said that that's not the case,

447
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:40,300
I want to try to do this in more plain language.

448
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:45,840
The fact of the matter is, a lot of those historic homes were built and they were not built.

449
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,380
They did not maximize what was allowable at the time when they were built.

450
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,520
Life was different then.

451
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,940
But then Holmes became and properties became much more speculative than nature.

452
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:07,060
And as a result, we saw mostly businesses coming in looking to commoditize the properties,

453
00:41:07,660 --> 00:41:11,720
and it created structures that maximized the code that was in effect at that time.

454
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,080
For one of the reasons why I ran for this position on this board,

455
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:20,160
because I too was one of those people that had some concerns about what was being built.

456
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:27,440
I was attracted to this village because of its quaint character and I also also saw it being

457
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:35,600
eroded. And that is why we passed that initial measure before the state preemptive home

458
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:41,020
role essentially. And the state's continued to do that time and time again. It seems as though

459
00:41:41,020 --> 00:41:45,580
there is no limits to the amount of ability to control our own destinies that they want to take away

460
00:41:45,580 --> 00:41:52,820
for us. But that does prevent us from further restricting these numbers. And there are little

461
00:41:52,820 --> 00:41:57,560
loopholes and little avenues that the state has left open, mainly in regulating volume

462
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:03,520
metrics, which is the reason why we are as one of the commenters put it throwing the

463
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,200
book at it, because that's what we're allowed to do legally speaking. If we had a design

464
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,060
review board, that wouldn't be the case. That's an ongoing debate as to whether or not

465
00:42:13,060 --> 00:42:19,380
we actually were designed to design or do board in the past or not, but that's a subject

466
00:42:19,380 --> 00:42:20,360
for another conversation.

467
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,100
The point is, I think, we're trying to find that balance between what is legally permissible

468
00:42:27,970 --> 00:42:34,990
to address the overwhelming desires of the community to prevent very, very large structures

469
00:42:34,990 --> 00:42:37,890
from being built on relatively small sized lots.

470
00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:42,230
And that's the code that we have in front of us this evening that we're trying to articulate,

471
00:42:42,350 --> 00:42:44,150
the further articulate and further clean up.

472
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:48,250
I think that the choices that we have are to table it or to move forward.

473
00:42:48,730 --> 00:42:54,230
Moving forward in my view is an improvement to what we had back in 2024.

474
00:42:54,810 --> 00:42:55,890
It's not a step backwards.

475
00:42:56,690 --> 00:43:01,290
So provided that we are able to clean this up a bit, I think that I would advocate for that.

476
00:43:01,610 --> 00:43:12,490
And my hope is that as the government changes at the state level and we begin to see a

477
00:43:12,490 --> 00:43:18,350
actually unrestrict some of these restrictions and maybe institute a design review board which

478
00:43:18,350 --> 00:43:23,270
then we instills the ability for architects to be creative because as a currently stands

479
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:28,330
now we're going to get more recreation centers built on properties that are going to

480
00:43:28,330 --> 00:43:32,590
infringe the rights of the adjacent property owners that really shouldn't have those rights

481
00:43:32,590 --> 00:43:37,490
infringed. So we're working within the context of what's available to us at the state level,

482
00:43:37,950 --> 00:43:41,590
pushing the boundaries where we can. But I think that's the code we have in front of us.

483
00:43:41,590 --> 00:43:48,790
just wanted to put that out there. Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments from the board

484
00:43:49,650 --> 00:43:52,070
before we get started on this?

485
00:43:54,290 --> 00:43:58,470
So I agree, I think we should go ahead and finish

486
00:43:59,850 --> 00:44:06,470
reviewing and at least get to what we started to an acceptable level of completeness

487
00:44:07,250 --> 00:44:13,470
and then we'll discuss how we want to go forward at that point with the understanding

488
00:44:13,470 --> 00:44:18,490
too that we have limitations that we're in and just mentioned about four statutes

489
00:44:18,490 --> 00:44:24,470
as far as changing some of these other metrics that we've put in place on this thing.

490
00:44:25,870 --> 00:44:32,210
So, with that said, I guess, let me just do a page turner, is there any major things?

491
00:44:32,210 --> 00:44:36,690
I just have a few comments, I'd like to discuss as we walk through this, I don't have

492
00:44:36,690 --> 00:44:37,770
a lot.

493
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:40,450
Any comments for you tonight before we get started?

494
00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:46,410
Based on our, this is, as Eddie indicated, probably the fourth time we've gone through

495
00:44:46,410 --> 00:44:52,810
this exercise, the last P&Z board meeting, we have a discussion item to kind of clean up

496
00:44:52,810 --> 00:44:59,170
some things prior to that, where you all left off on it was that this meeting was going

497
00:44:59,170 --> 00:44:59,950
be a clean up.

498
00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:09,140
Not a page by page meeting. And so I just wanted to kind of bring that to your attention. If your attention is to do page by page, so be it.

499
00:45:09,980 --> 00:45:12,220
It's clean up. Things I think should be addressed.

500
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:14,660
No problem.

501
00:45:15,140 --> 00:45:16,860
I mean, we're whittling it though.

502
00:45:17,340 --> 00:45:19,160
No, it's, I mean, by all means.

503
00:45:19,620 --> 00:45:21,460
No problem. Just reminding.

504
00:45:22,220 --> 00:45:22,620
That's all.

505
00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:29,980
So my first comments on page three line line seventy two anybody got anything before that

506
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:39,140
I have a comment on building height and establish grade they go together but one I want to go first it's it's

507
00:45:39,140 --> 00:45:45,980
Building heights from where I'm the same yeah building heights from sixty nine to seventy three establish grades from eighty one three

508
00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:50,540
Here was my my comment or my question, you know for discussion with the board

509
00:45:51,380 --> 00:45:58,860
We've kind of changed the way to measure the building height for flat roofs, the overall,

510
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:06,160
and then for pitch roofs to the tie beams, supporting a roof structure on the top floor

511
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,080
for any type of roof.

512
00:46:09,820 --> 00:46:18,260
My question is this, if our further regulation says 28 feet in height, that would be from the

513
00:46:18,260 --> 00:46:23,660
finish floor to the top of Typing? Is that correct? Is that how you're understanding?

514
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:29,800
Actually, last time when we talked about trying to establish an additional step back for a flat

515
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,620
roof, I believe we agreed to revert back to the previous definition of building height,

516
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:39,320
because a separate definition for the revised definition was no longer required,

517
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:44,300
because there was an attempt to... So I see you can sort of minmo forward here, I guess,

518
00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:50,260
addressing this. It also cleans up what the term established grade means. I think the way that

519
00:46:50,260 --> 00:46:56,620
that that was written is, and that's further, that's further. Yeah, but they go hand-in-hand. So, so,

520
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:03,820
so then this is, we need to, because I was, where I was leading was, if that's 28 feet to the top of the

521
00:47:03,820 --> 00:47:09,840
tidying, and then let's say you have a very steep pitched roof, then you could essentially have a very

522
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,740
all structure. People were back to the previous way of measuring it, which was the mean between

523
00:47:13,740 --> 00:47:21,920
the eve and the ridge. And is that stated later on? That's the revised building height

524
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,820
definition that I sent via email, shortly before this meeting.

525
00:47:27,180 --> 00:47:31,960
All right. This is the first time we've looked at it. The first time everybody had a chance to

526
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,380
look at this. You want to take a few minutes and read it. And we want yourselves, you want me to

527
00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:38,080
it out loud, so I want to read it out loud.

528
00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:39,380
Not really, but I'll do it.

529
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:40,740
Thank you.

530
00:47:40,860 --> 00:47:43,060
If it's OK, I'd like to start with the established grade

531
00:47:43,060 --> 00:47:45,280
because I think that that makes a lot of sense.

532
00:47:47,340 --> 00:47:49,440
The way that we had previously written established grade

533
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,760
it looks like we were trying to regulate a finished law

534
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,320
by the use of the term established grade,

535
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,040
but that's not the intent of that word.

536
00:47:55,540 --> 00:47:57,120
So I'm proposing the revision as follows.

537
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,940
The established grade, the minimum average grade

538
00:47:59,940 --> 00:48:01,860
of a plot compatible with the Gs and properties,

539
00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:04,560
facts of sidewalks, and the Gs and roadways,

540
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,220
but in no case lower than the average crown of road,

541
00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:08,300
fronting a property.

542
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,080
A finished floor shall be set a minimum of six inches above the established grave.

543
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:16,960
It goes on for building height.

544
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:20,660
Changing that definition to be the vertical distance

545
00:48:20,660 --> 00:48:24,540
shall not exceed 28 feet from the minimum finish floor to a,

546
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,240
the top of the roof for flat roofs,

547
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:32,080
or b, the mean level between the eaves and the highest point of the roof

548
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,100
in the case of roofs of any other type.

549
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:40,760
For those properties located in areas identified as flood zones, subsection 1, in all flood zones

550
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,120
except coastal high hazard areas, the minimum finish floor shall be the elevation established

551
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,140
by FEMA plus freeboard requirements and subsection 2.

552
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:54,560
For buildings located in coastal high hazard areas such as VE and VZones, the maximum building

553
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:59,520
height shall be 20 feet, measured from the lowest horizontal structural member supporting

554
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:05,300
the lowest habitable level to the roof point described above, and I'm happy to answer any

555
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:13,740
questions so that I, let's start with finished grade. So what we had here prior was, the

556
00:49:13,740 --> 00:49:20,760
finished grade of the pot shall be not less than four inches above street grade, right? And

557
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:28,220
then, and then further, the established finished floor of the pot shall be at for above

558
00:49:28,220 --> 00:49:36,080
the minimum, that's for the flood, flood portion. So that's, that's, that's going to

559
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:42,200
stay the same, the item number. It's a slide 85. It's only slightly different. Because

560
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,800
the way it was written before, it doesn't take into account the fact that the payment does not

561
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:53,140
specify finished floor elevations for, for coastal high hazard areas. The finished floor shall

562
00:49:53,140 --> 00:49:58,960
the theme of bass-plot plus freeboards. Where do we have freeboards?

563
00:50:02,260 --> 00:50:04,040
It's two feet.

564
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:10,040
And there is that, we can find, unfortunately, outside of our zoning code, but in the building code section of our code of ordinances,

565
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,460
have something arbitrary that talks about two feet above flood.

566
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,380
We don't have, we don't have liberty to change that, unfortunately, because it's not within our review,

567
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:20,620
at least that's what we've been told. I would love to change it.

568
00:50:20,860 --> 00:50:23,380
So as far as, you know, it's not in our, it's the zoning section.

569
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:28,380
Not in the county, I guess, as a one foot, we'll be fine.

570
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:41,110
So that's a confusion fact, or it is, but we don't really a purview over that.

571
00:50:42,290 --> 00:50:49,290
So this works around that because it's saying freeboard as established by FEMA, not freeboard

572
00:50:49,290 --> 00:50:51,470
as established by the village of Miami shorts,

573
00:51:01,460 --> 00:51:02,640
any of you done any comments on this?

574
00:51:02,780 --> 00:51:04,820
I just wish it was clear, you know?

575
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:13,160
Well I think as staff definitely, I think we have a little bit of reservations referencing

576
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:20,620
the 28 feet just because the building high definition refers to all zoning districts so there

577
00:51:20,620 --> 00:51:29,160
may be other districts to have different high numerical values so that may be an issue so

578
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:36,660
we definitely wouldn't want to put in a numerical value in the definition so I think that in

579
00:51:36,660 --> 00:51:41,600
that in the tables other buildings not within the art district 40 feet correct but the building

580
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:48,860
high definition as being proposed by Mr. Spurke includes that 28 feet, and so these definitions

581
00:51:48,860 --> 00:51:55,680
are not exclusive to the artistic only. It includes all, it's always going to be a good

582
00:51:56,140 --> 00:52:02,640
But our version to specify that height, I think, is causing an enormous amount of confusion,

583
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:09,600
so maybe it would be to specifically state that this is relating to residential structures.

584
00:52:10,540 --> 00:52:15,720
So, in drafting calls, we don't do it for the immediate moment, we do it for the future.

585
00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:22,820
And I just think that best practice and for this to be a definition, it just needs to be a definition, not a regulation.

586
00:52:23,260 --> 00:52:35,080
And I think that's the issue with these two provisions, even as drafted in the proposed ordinance, is that we are going beyond just defining the term and now we're regulating within a definition.

587
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,100
And that's not a useful thing to do in cold.

588
00:52:38,420 --> 00:52:40,300
You want to have your regulations set out

589
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:42,000
and your definitions separate and part.

590
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:43,880
I'll even go as far as saying,

591
00:52:44,380 --> 00:52:47,280
it sounds like we might need to make a separate definition for finished floor

592
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,840
because the Kana is a bit completed with a finished,

593
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,460
we define established grade,

594
00:52:53,580 --> 00:52:56,840
and then the last sentence we go into a finished floor

595
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,460
shall be set a minimum of six inches above the established grade.

596
00:53:00,460 --> 00:53:08,020
Now, we're complaining to different terms for one and for two, now we're regulating something

597
00:53:08,020 --> 00:53:09,040
within a definition.

598
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:15,060
Most users of cold, yes, you use the definitions to inform you, but you're going to

599
00:53:15,060 --> 00:53:18,220
first look at the regulations to tell you what you cannot do.

600
00:53:18,580 --> 00:53:25,180
So I think anything that is more soy regulation needs to be relocated in another part of

601
00:53:25,180 --> 00:53:27,180
the cold in the definition and be so defined.

602
00:53:27,180 --> 00:53:30,320
in Section 508. Correct. So, that was great.

603
00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:35,820
The savage grade of plot and finished floor and we'll add a subsection B to put that finished

604
00:53:35,820 --> 00:53:38,860
floor minimum at that point. That's not reasonable.

605
00:53:43,940 --> 00:53:57,220
All right. So, what are we concluding here then on the established grade? I've got a Brandon

606
00:53:57,220 --> 00:53:58,760
the ordinance.

607
00:54:02,540 --> 00:54:08,300
So, if there's no issue with the language that Mr. Spurke has recommended,

608
00:54:09,140 --> 00:54:15,180
then we'd add that language strike out what's included now. Well, not technically

609
00:54:15,180 --> 00:54:20,520
strike out, it's we're still at the stage where we can just swap things out. This is not

610
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,700
new link. This is not currently in which in the call. So, we'll just...

611
00:54:23,700 --> 00:54:46,260
But if we just leave what is the board's opinion and I'm not sure Brandon is actually what you're trying to change from what is in right now on the ordinance proposed which just says not less than four inches above street gray this this that it started because when we when we agreed as board to

612
00:54:46,260 --> 00:54:50,480
let an additional step back for a flat roof we also said that we will

613
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,780
revert to the previous building height definition so if that's what we're doing in the

614
00:54:55,780 --> 00:54:59,960
definition I think that's all we need to do is simply revert back to the previous definition.

615
00:55:01,820 --> 00:55:25,420
And I'm sorry. I'm on a stop and I guess I'm focused. I'm just trying to get the established grade portion straightened up first, right? And then I, okay, so you're changing what we have and so the established grade the way it was written in our current, which in what it, in the ordinance, it's, it's defining a finished grade of a structure.

616
00:55:25,420 --> 00:55:31,320
Four inches above street great. Yeah, but saying the finish grade of a plot shall be not less the four inches above street grade

617
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:36,200
You know, but is that I don't know if that was the intent was that was the intent to take the entire grade of the plot

618
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:42,180
And make it four inches higher than not less than four inches above right, so maybe even more than that

619
00:55:42,180 --> 00:55:47,660
I don't know if that was the intent. I don't think that was the intent. It's just saying you have at least four inches for

620
00:55:51,860 --> 00:55:53,340
But your yard doesn't

621
00:55:53,340 --> 00:55:59,540
So it's above the street, you know, not below the street.

622
00:56:01,210 --> 00:56:01,850
I think so.

623
00:56:03,650 --> 00:56:08,150
But then it goes on to talk about the finished floor, like subsection one in that definition.

624
00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:10,270
It's talking about the finished floor established by Fiat.

625
00:56:10,330 --> 00:56:15,670
And then the finished floor shall be above the minimum FEMA base flood plus freeboard.

626
00:56:15,770 --> 00:56:17,670
That doesn't have anything to do with the established grave.

627
00:56:18,490 --> 00:56:20,750
And then that's for the flood area too.

628
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:26,770
So, if we're looking to, if we're looking to simply define what a established grade is,

629
00:56:27,310 --> 00:56:30,630
because that is ultimately the basis of measuring height later on in the code,

630
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:32,250
I think,

631
00:56:32,550 --> 00:56:33,630
to go with what you said,

632
00:56:33,770 --> 00:56:34,870
and take out that last sentence,

633
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:35,730
the finished floor,

634
00:56:35,970 --> 00:56:37,310
the finished floor should be set minimum,

635
00:56:37,490 --> 00:56:42,350
and then that could follow in the section that's specific to residential.

636
00:56:44,250 --> 00:56:46,030
So, that'll then go where,

637
00:56:46,050 --> 00:56:47,690
under line 81,

638
00:56:47,870 --> 00:56:49,630
the established grade is.

639
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:57,010
Yes, yes, because I don't I don't know none of what we have written there with respect to FEMA

640
00:56:57,010 --> 00:57:02,570
Should has anything to do with the established grade of a lot. All right. I think that simplifies it

641
00:57:02,570 --> 00:57:09,010
Is that that's my perspective that he I don't know am I am I my stating that correctly think I am

642
00:57:09,010 --> 00:57:15,110
So that's for this established grade with Brandon submitted minus the last sentence starting at line 81

643
00:57:15,110 --> 00:57:18,990
Right, so so that essentially that would replace 81 and 82

644
00:57:26,550 --> 00:57:30,990
That's coming out and being relocated into regulations.

645
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:31,290
Yes.

646
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,080
I'm building height now.

647
00:57:37,140 --> 00:57:41,440
Perhaps we come back to that when we get the section 508.

648
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,060
Now we're jumping.

649
00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:44,680
Let's go on the definition here.

650
00:57:45,180 --> 00:57:48,140
If we leave this as is.

651
00:57:48,140 --> 00:57:54,260
The previous definition, as it was previously written, I think we can just simply state it like that if everybody's in agreement and

652
00:57:55,120 --> 00:58:02,080
And not the one that's in this ordinance in front of correct. So removing law strike through all underlined and just the verbate on

653
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,520
Building type definition. I believe that we're all

654
00:58:05,140 --> 00:58:11,080
Yeah, I believe that would be the case. Okay, except building level. It's saying the established great elevation of a plot

655
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,860
Of a plot. I don't think we're referencing building level anymore

656
00:58:13,860 --> 00:58:15,940
I think we're talking about established great

657
00:58:15,940 --> 00:58:23,040
Okay, so we'll leave that first line and then we'll the vertical distance from the established grade elevation of a thawat

658
00:58:24,860 --> 00:58:28,000
to a the top

659
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:36,920
of the roof in the case of flat roofs or b the mean level between the eaves and the highest point of

660
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:41,440
the roof in the case of roofs of any other type I

661
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,040
Think this was worth Smith

662
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,820
were better

663
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,920
Except we don't use building level anymore. That's what I'm saying.

664
00:58:49,580 --> 00:58:52,500
Building level was a different definition altogether that didn't make any sense.

665
00:58:52,660 --> 00:58:55,420
We got rid of that and we were saying let's go by established grave.

666
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:02,320
So which is why I'm saying it doesn't seem like we're going to refer it back to.

667
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,960
With the exception of instead of saying it's defined by the building level it's the established grave.

668
00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:11,820
So basically it's as I read it.

669
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,180
people would be

670
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,680
yes that's what yes that's not just any we're

671
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,380
reverting to be but not the others yes yes correct we're saying

672
00:59:25,380 --> 00:59:30,480
all right so we're good at building height

673
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:38,680
any other comments on these issues my next comment is on line 188

674
00:59:45,850 --> 00:59:46,290
of my

675
00:59:46,290 --> 00:59:58,290
question to I guess Eddie or whoever you have district this is just the type of thing district you have R-1 district shouldn't shouldn't just be R district

676
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:59,950
we don't have R1

677
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:19,940
And then I think it's a little confusing. The title you have on the far right column, you have permitted and unauthorized uses, and it doesn't read well.

678
01:00:19,940 --> 01:00:22,780
I should have be permitted uses period.

679
01:00:24,500 --> 01:00:30,640
I think we just permitted uses and then yes, but it specifies that the following is a

680
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:42,000
partial list of not of uses not to be included to me it was a confusing to confuse it.

681
01:00:42,140 --> 01:00:46,940
You brought this up before and that's the reason why it was included is because of that additional

682
01:00:46,940 --> 01:00:51,840
language that includes the unauthorized uses. Typically, we just would have a permitted uses

683
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:59,520
session. But because this not only has, when you say permitted and unauthorized uses, then

684
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:04,920
you have to specify it beginning of each number, permitted use, permitted use, non-permitted

685
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:09,800
use. Because you can't say it's permitted and unauthorized. And then just start with permitted

686
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:14,400
and unauthorized use. One family dwellings. You understand what I'm saying?

687
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:20,480
The following is a partialist used in not to be included in the forgling authorized uses.

688
01:01:20,860 --> 01:01:24,960
That specifies that. That's why I think the column should say permitted uses.

689
01:01:25,860 --> 01:01:30,900
And then that's obviously clearly not permitted uses one family dwellings, but not more.

690
01:01:31,180 --> 01:01:34,960
And then we have item three family occupation and professional offices.

691
01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:39,140
Is professional offices a permitted use in the art history?

692
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,640
Home-based businesses. Home-based offices are.

693
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:56,930
But if we want to or not, that's just my comment, I think it would be better under permitted uses and I'm not going to dwell on it too much here.

694
01:02:04,190 --> 01:02:06,590
My next comment on line 205.

695
01:02:07,730 --> 01:02:08,590
Anything before that?

696
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:10,150
FAR.

697
01:02:10,330 --> 01:02:13,310
Where do we have FAR defined in our code?

698
01:02:13,310 --> 01:02:18,410
It is defined in there.

699
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:19,110
We did it.

700
01:02:19,530 --> 01:02:20,830
What's not included?

701
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:22,670
All right.

702
01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:24,110
I just looked for it.

703
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:28,110
We did the streamlined artistic changes in 2020.

704
01:02:28,830 --> 01:02:32,090
So it is defined with what it is and what's not included.

705
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:33,250
That's good.

706
01:02:35,090 --> 01:02:39,030
My next one is Section 412 to 28.

707
01:02:40,550 --> 01:02:48,150
I also have a comment on top of our coverage issues, my comment and I was just looking at it.

708
01:02:48,350 --> 01:02:51,770
I think we could simplify it.

709
01:02:52,370 --> 01:02:57,370
Like, the first 7500 square feet in above take that out.

710
01:02:57,870 --> 01:03:03,250
And then the second line, you know, I'm thinking just less than 15,000 square feet, 40%

711
01:03:03,250 --> 01:03:08,690
one story 30% and the 15,000 and over 21,000 and over.

712
01:03:09,730 --> 01:03:14,230
The only issue that I have with that is that having the smaller lot, well I don't know

713
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:15,430
how much I was on a smaller lot.

714
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:18,010
And that's the thing that I was actually going to be my comment.

715
01:03:19,150 --> 01:03:32,030
I don't really recall why we did that, but in 2024 we had said 30 and 40% and that's what

716
01:03:32,030 --> 01:03:36,390
and said yes, but that's going to allow for a very, very large structure on some of these larger

717
01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:40,110
lads, which is why when we talked about the other definitions, when we were talking about

718
01:03:40,110 --> 01:03:45,010
12,000 square feet, 15,000 square feet, and 21,000 square feet, these were already areas

719
01:03:45,010 --> 01:03:47,950
that were defined, I believe, in our code, which is why we took them.

720
01:03:48,510 --> 01:03:56,270
And we reduced the percentages to not allow for an unreasonably sized structure next to another

721
01:03:56,270 --> 01:03:58,890
a lot that it would ultimately be allowed only

722
01:03:58,890 --> 01:04:01,470
to build something compared to, you know, much less

723
01:04:02,430 --> 01:04:04,130
volumetric, voluminous, I should say.

724
01:04:05,830 --> 01:04:08,150
But when we went to the 755 and the square foot lot,

725
01:04:08,590 --> 01:04:10,870
we, I think, arbitrarily just increased that.

726
01:04:11,250 --> 01:04:13,750
And when I've heard from the public for the most part,

727
01:04:13,830 --> 01:04:16,170
there has been some sending you that we've heard this evening,

728
01:04:17,230 --> 01:04:19,090
although I think that was really about the mechanics

729
01:04:19,090 --> 01:04:21,430
of how a writing a code not so much about the result.

730
01:04:22,690 --> 01:04:25,370
But the remainder of the people that have spoken publicly

731
01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:31,350
this meeting and other meetings have objective to that increase. So if we're listening to them,

732
01:04:31,370 --> 01:04:36,350
I think we would go back down to the minimum that we're permitted to go back down to,

733
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:44,550
which my understanding would be 40 percent and 30 percent. So to your point, I think.

734
01:04:44,550 --> 01:04:48,590
So it just changed to less than 15,000 square feet, 40 percent, 30 percent.

735
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:51,110
No, I would say, yeah, less than 15,000 square feet.

736
01:04:51,110 --> 01:04:56,310
thousand and above 38 28 yeah yeah that's what I'm kind of looking

737
01:04:56,310 --> 01:04:58,410
how were you saying yeah so we just get to the same spot

738
01:05:05,230 --> 01:05:11,330
So, yes, on the table, you have four rows, strike the first row, completely.

739
01:05:12,670 --> 01:05:16,970
The second row under a lot of size, right, less than 15,000 square feet

740
01:05:19,340 --> 01:05:20,480
in the rest of the

741
01:05:24,610 --> 01:05:24,710
day,

742
01:05:24,970 --> 01:05:27,610
because then the next row says 15,000 square feet in a row.

743
01:05:36,220 --> 01:05:39,620
So, we only have less than 50,000 square feet, yes.

744
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:48,140
And less than 21,000 square feet, 15,000 square and above, and then 21,000 square and above.

745
01:05:48,780 --> 01:05:50,460
with the numbers that are in

746
01:05:53,630 --> 01:05:54,190
it.

747
01:05:54,350 --> 01:05:54,610
With me?

748
01:05:58,300 --> 01:05:58,660
All right.

749
01:06:01,100 --> 01:06:04,360
My next question is on, um,

750
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,020
line, then, two, forty-eight.

751
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,920
Does that mean somebody's got something to do with it?

752
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,080
All right, anything before two, forty-eight?

753
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:17,380
So maybe somebody can help me understand that paragraph there

754
01:06:17,380 --> 01:06:19,100
from two, forty-five to two, fifty.

755
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,120
I don't know who kind of proposed that.

756
01:06:24,660 --> 01:06:27,440
But what I guess what I'm struggling with is,

757
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:40,340
You may recall that I came in with a study in existing inventory study as flat roofs to pitch roofs

758
01:06:40,340 --> 01:06:45,000
Yes, and proposed a mechanism of of regulating that.

759
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,600
Yes, but I think it was unanimously deemed to be overly complicated.

760
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:50,800
And this is a very complicated.

761
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:56,680
Mr. Herrera came up with an alternative suggestion because the premise of the my initial proposal was

762
01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:03,920
The community wasn't necessarily objecting the flat roots of some objections were heard about flat roots.

763
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,780
More they were objecting to the volume metrics that were being presented to a street.

764
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:12,820
We heard big white cubes massive oversized homes.

765
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:19,640
The provisions that we had proposed up until that point really didn't address that.

766
01:07:19,780 --> 01:07:22,560
And it seemed as though what we were trying to do, or what I was trying to do,

767
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,000
was really getting stuck on whether or not it was a flat root versus a slope root.

768
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:38,000
ignoring the reality that the people were really talking about volume metrics, and that's why I came forward with that inventory study as a basis of trying to demonstrate that we had a character in the shores that was

769
01:07:38,780 --> 01:07:46,000
depending on which area of the neighborhood you looked at somewhere between 2% and 9% flat roofs to the majority pitch roofs.

770
01:07:46,980 --> 01:07:52,280
And so instead of trying to implement a complex way of regulating that that would put

771
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:57,140
undue burden on staff, the solution was, if you're going to propose a flat with because

772
01:07:57,140 --> 01:08:01,820
by nature of a flat with the volume is larger than the present industry, simply set that

773
01:08:01,820 --> 01:08:02,360
back further.

774
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,260
So, this is 10 feet for the second sport.

775
01:08:07,100 --> 01:08:07,120
Yes.

776
01:08:07,140 --> 01:08:10,160
And then what I did, maybe you can kind of walk me.

777
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:18,120
the front shall be increased by one additional foot, for each one foot by which the height of the upper wall plane measured

778
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,560
very quickly from the finished floor level likes.

779
01:08:22,140 --> 01:08:28,340
Explain, don't matter exactly who presented that, but as I read it, my understanding of that is that you're allowed by

780
01:08:28,340 --> 01:08:30,600
ten foot to get the ten feet.

781
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,400
So that's like a story of ten feet, and then if that's like a story that's more than ten feet,

782
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:41,680
associated with it, and you need an additional flush for it to go back, so it went up 11,

783
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:43,400
and you would go back a lot of times.

784
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:48,740
We've had a number of proposals that have sought to maximize height, but that's the first

785
01:08:48,740 --> 01:08:49,280
thing I've done.

786
01:08:55,020 --> 01:08:55,160
Yes.

787
01:08:59,490 --> 01:09:08,070
This is the height of the first floor, that's the height of the first floor, that's the height

788
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:10,070
of the first floor.

789
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:13,490
If it's at 12, then you're step back 12.

790
01:09:13,490 --> 01:09:13,730
It's 12.

791
01:09:13,730 --> 01:09:17,410
A one foot by which the height of the upper wall plain.

792
01:09:17,710 --> 01:09:20,670
Yeah, this is about, this is a really in relationship to the second story of that.

793
01:09:20,710 --> 01:09:22,530
What's the upper wall plain?

794
01:09:22,910 --> 01:09:23,630
Second story.

795
01:09:24,210 --> 01:09:25,010
The upper wall plain.

796
01:09:25,210 --> 01:09:25,690
Second story.

797
01:09:26,030 --> 01:09:30,930
Measured vertically from the finished floor elevation from the bottom of the second floor.

798
01:09:31,630 --> 01:09:37,270
The finished floor elevation of the second story to the top of the parapet or higher.

799
01:09:38,210 --> 01:09:47,010
exceeding 10 feet. Oh, so from if this is more than 10, this is 11 feet and I got 11 feet and I got 11 feet.

800
01:09:47,010 --> 01:09:47,050
That's right.

801
01:09:47,270 --> 01:09:48,150
Second floor.

802
01:09:48,590 --> 01:09:48,990
Okay, all right.

803
01:09:49,090 --> 01:09:50,350
But also the first floor.

804
01:09:50,350 --> 01:09:50,730
That's right.

805
01:09:51,310 --> 01:09:54,050
I just, you have to talk about that with three feet.

806
01:09:54,150 --> 01:09:54,830
That's right.

807
01:09:55,150 --> 01:09:56,150
I don't know if I read it that way.

808
01:09:56,330 --> 01:09:59,970
So if you have a very high second floor, you're just stepping it back even more.

809
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:08,180
And these are the regulations and the metrics that we are over detailing, like our speakers said earlier.

810
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:15,140
And I think the, you know, we are, there's, there's, there's no question about it.

811
01:10:15,140 --> 01:10:20,340
What we're proposing is a sexual, you know, it's a, it's a reaction.

812
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:26,960
It's a reaction. It's an unfortunate reaction, because absent of those regulations, we don't even saw what's happened.

813
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:31,920
We have the rec centers that are being built and the community hates that and they work here with pitchforks and torches

814
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:40,240
So I mean we're trying to put some control in there and I think these I was just

815
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:44,840
Free it way I can't remember who came up with this I guess. I would much rather argue that my design would be bored

816
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,160
And get involved this, but I don't we can do that

817
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:56,820
It came out of a discussion on how to break up mass and they're very limited tools that we have to break up mass

818
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:02,700
And the stand-back is one of the only things that you can use to break up mass on the second floor.

819
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:22,560
So that's why we came up with that idea, because we're already step-in-back six feet, but it's six feet is not the eye can't really distinguish six feet and also this was intended to create a little bit more of an incentive for somebody to design a pitchcrew structure because that matches the character of the character of the village.

820
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:29,260
and if our charter task is too much, maybe we get rid of it, or I don't know.

821
01:11:29,540 --> 01:11:33,140
But if our charter task does with maintaining the character of the village as it does,

822
01:11:33,380 --> 01:11:37,540
it's written into the beginning of our planning zone, the work code, I believe it's also in the charter,

823
01:11:38,380 --> 01:11:42,520
then we have to implement whatever tools that are at our disposal to be able to do that.

824
01:11:42,700 --> 01:11:47,400
So that's that was the intent behind this, and I think it's just a five and ten. It's not the cleanest way to get there,

825
01:11:47,500 --> 01:11:50,180
but unfortunately the solution of the whole, it's something.

826
01:11:51,260 --> 01:11:52,840
What's the thing?

827
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:53,700
The only thing?

828
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,380
Unless you want to do the version that I came up with.

829
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:56,820
No.

830
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:57,820
That was too complicated.

831
01:11:59,540 --> 01:11:59,600
Yeah.

832
01:12:01,540 --> 01:12:03,820
The next one I got is section five book.

833
01:12:03,860 --> 01:12:04,040
Sorry.

834
01:12:04,260 --> 01:12:04,660
I'm okay.

835
01:12:05,420 --> 01:12:06,520
I just needed to.

836
01:12:06,700 --> 01:12:07,620
I just wanted to.

837
01:12:07,620 --> 01:12:08,440
I need.

838
01:12:09,140 --> 01:12:09,220
I need to.

839
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:10,160
I need to.

840
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:10,320
I need to.

841
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:10,720
I need to.

842
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:11,020
I need to.

843
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:11,840
I need to.

844
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,360
I need to.

845
01:12:14,940 --> 01:12:17,600
I need to.

846
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,160
I need to.

847
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:24,480
I think I think it's confused, what do you

848
01:12:30,050 --> 01:12:30,050
have?

849
01:12:30,270 --> 01:12:30,830
26.

850
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:32,510
I'm at 27.

851
01:12:32,710 --> 01:12:33,790
So I'm at 27.

852
01:12:34,330 --> 01:12:46,650
So on lines 28 to 289, isn't that contradictory or confusing with lines 291 to 296?

853
01:12:46,970 --> 01:12:52,430
Looks like we're saying one thing and then saying again a different way on item B.

854
01:12:52,430 --> 01:13:00,010
Well, I think there's a differentiation, right, because the proposed language that begins at

855
01:13:00,010 --> 01:13:06,970
291 is to deal specifically in residential areas, where the other language pertains to

856
01:13:06,970 --> 01:13:09,870
the commercial and non-residential areas.

857
01:13:11,010 --> 01:13:12,450
Okay, so that's for the commercial.

858
01:13:13,770 --> 01:13:19,410
But don't we need to specify, because it says, in residential districts, so that's the difference

859
01:13:19,410 --> 01:13:20,030
there.

860
01:13:20,030 --> 01:13:22,950
Okay, but now it's

861
01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:30,170
not it's confusing the way this is written because it wants all of it together

862
01:13:33,690 --> 01:13:41,150
So the residential is that so that's where I thought now let me just read something that I'm not sure red right

863
01:13:41,630 --> 01:13:46,010
I'm going to read it water tanks air conditioning equipment mechanical in residential district

864
01:13:46,770 --> 01:13:56,750
Shobby located at grade we're feasible in no event on rooftops, should I say and in no event on rooftops?

865
01:13:56,790 --> 01:14:05,170
That means we're advised for feasible, but in no event and in no event on rooftops.

866
01:14:05,530 --> 01:14:09,890
And so we're saying you can't put it on rooftops,

867
01:14:12,540 --> 01:14:15,960
so we're going to and it designated to minimize visual.

868
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:20,390
So it needs a little word smithing, done it.

869
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,200
And no noise impacts on adjacent properties.

870
01:14:24,700 --> 01:14:27,970
Putting it great, so you're gonna have more noise impacts, right?

871
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,220
Except the solar water heaters and associate to maybe locate on a rooftop

872
01:14:33,220 --> 01:14:35,780
that is not visible from public rights away.

873
01:14:41,380 --> 01:14:45,680
And then to make it clear, should we start the line A, water tanks

874
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:49,080
and necessary a condition equipment and other mechanical purposes

875
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:56,760
located outside of the R district, you know, so we don't have that confusion where that's

876
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,960
for outside the R district and then in the R district we have.

877
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:28,500
I don't disagree with you. I'm we're limited in our title and that we are talking about changes to the artistic, that's how we're advertising this and I know I know it is trust me, but we've been very hesitant. We'll get there, we'll be getting there, it's kind of how we've approached it at this point.

878
01:15:28,500 --> 01:15:30,660
Let me give them more thought.

879
01:15:30,700 --> 01:15:31,340
We give thought.

880
01:15:31,420 --> 01:15:31,880
I'm just moving.

881
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:33,140
Push it forward here.

882
01:15:33,140 --> 01:15:34,600
Is that the same for this?

883
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:36,560
On residential districts?

884
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:38,300
Because I had it.

885
01:15:38,300 --> 01:15:39,720
We had it crossed out.

886
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:40,540
Or edited.

887
01:15:41,020 --> 01:15:41,940
But it.

888
01:15:45,130 --> 01:15:46,130
And this is non-resident.

889
01:15:46,370 --> 01:15:47,830
These are non-residential districts.

890
01:15:48,710 --> 01:15:48,910
Yeah.

891
01:15:49,890 --> 01:15:53,670
Well, here we had exceeding over all five to six feet above.

892
01:15:53,850 --> 01:15:55,550
Key refers to the line number.

893
01:15:56,670 --> 01:15:59,070
Uh, well, this is 286.

894
01:16:27,810 --> 01:16:33,070
We can't, I can't. You've got to speak into the mic for sunshine purposes.

895
01:16:33,390 --> 01:16:42,590
The previous markup I had for non-residential districts, the seed and overall height of six feet above the roof slab,

896
01:16:43,370 --> 01:16:46,850
the flat roof or above the top of the typing pitch groove.

897
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:59,000
structure it it's like it wasn't it was unstrapped. So the you're basing

898
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:05,040
your previous instructions where to keep this section as is because it affects

899
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:09,940
it districts outside of the art district and so to revert to the actual

900
01:17:09,940 --> 01:17:13,220
coal language now and then create a separate section.

901
01:17:19,300 --> 01:17:21,020
Section 508

902
01:17:21,020 --> 01:17:23,300
are in the details of the issues on that.

903
01:17:23,500 --> 01:17:26,100
I do not know, I don't need to address those.

904
01:17:26,500 --> 01:17:27,120
I'm all the way down.

905
01:17:27,700 --> 01:17:28,700
I'm quite a part of this.

906
01:17:28,820 --> 01:17:31,460
Just for the record, 508 is where we're going to add

907
01:17:31,460 --> 01:17:35,720
that additional information that was once included in

908
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:36,480
your definitions.

909
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:40,240
We're going to relocate it down to 508 and be titled

910
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:43,380
from the established grade and the finished grade as well.

911
01:17:43,540 --> 01:17:44,300
I think that works.

912
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:47,460
All right.

913
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:52,240
The next one I had, and I guess it's just a reading thing.

914
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:54,120
I went, I'm at line 321,

915
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:57,020
does it make sense?

916
01:17:57,300 --> 01:17:58,420
You're starting that section.

917
01:17:58,820 --> 01:18:03,040
Can't it be zoning, balconies, ease, architecture, features,

918
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:07,200
may project colon and then you go to three.

919
01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:09,900
Second story, balconies and terraces located within

920
01:18:09,900 --> 01:18:13,580
residents of Shonopy, permitted, so it doesn't go with them.

921
01:18:13,580 --> 01:18:14,120
And the line

922
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:21,070
314 says these items may project and then you're

923
01:18:21,070 --> 01:18:31,310
And then you go to three, which isn't anything about a projection into a projection into a setback.

924
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:41,790
I mean, the right place for kind of what I'm asking you.

925
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:48,640
Don't disagree.

926
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,300
But I want to say this probably wasn't more...

927
01:18:52,300 --> 01:18:53,580
It's been a long time.

928
01:18:54,860 --> 01:18:57,740
But we'll revisit this and change it.

929
01:18:57,740 --> 01:18:59,920
Look out if it makes it done very dry.

930
01:19:06,210 --> 01:19:09,970
And I'm trying to get to our applications here.

931
01:19:11,190 --> 01:19:13,390
I don't have any more comments after that.

932
01:19:14,730 --> 01:19:15,970
I don't have any more comments.

933
01:19:16,170 --> 01:19:16,550
Yes.

934
01:19:16,930 --> 01:19:18,770
The line item 568.

935
01:19:19,670 --> 01:19:21,290
This is about the level of service standard.

936
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:22,790
This is,

937
01:19:25,420 --> 01:19:32,900
if you get there, basically it says for a new single family construction or for additions that increase the existing square footage by 50% or more.

938
01:19:32,900 --> 01:19:37,160
and involves significant land assertives assigned in serious drainage engineering plan to

939
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:44,840
demonstrate that no water run off onto not onto adjacent properties and then and the

940
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,880
public right of way during a ten-year one-hour storm event. I think we're missing run off

941
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:54,300
to the public way, public right of way. I would add those words in between properties and

942
01:19:55,900 --> 01:19:59,960
This is actually existing on 568 and it's in between.

943
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,420
Any words, properties, and doring, add the words, and the public right of way?

944
01:20:19,570 --> 01:20:20,890
Any other comments?

945
01:20:21,010 --> 01:20:23,130
My next comment is on my item 622.

946
01:20:26,090 --> 01:20:27,890
I would strike the words for enclosed.

947
01:20:33,500 --> 01:20:35,580
I'm going to strike the warrant close.

948
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:39,720
I'm going to

949
01:20:43,620 --> 01:20:49,820
go back to the section right before.

950
01:20:50,060 --> 01:20:53,580
Didn't we have the I.I. with drainage points?

951
01:20:53,580 --> 01:20:58,580
I mean, let's say line 596 at the end of that.

952
01:21:01,370 --> 01:21:05,560
So, a 7 B.I.I.

953
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,560
It's already in Subsection A.

954
01:21:15,740 --> 01:21:16,600
Is that the first one?

955
01:21:17,700 --> 01:21:18,920
So, under that line.

956
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:19,880
Subsection A.

957
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:21,280
It's assigned a sealed drainage.

958
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:21,940
A drainage.

959
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:23,360
And then clearing plant.

960
01:21:28,620 --> 01:21:29,700
In the other.

961
01:21:29,900 --> 01:21:30,600
Ah, then.

962
01:21:30,620 --> 01:21:31,120
Have you done?

963
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:31,880
Nothing else.

964
01:21:36,820 --> 01:21:43,980
So we've kind of gone through, we have over killing you on that.

965
01:21:45,100 --> 01:21:49,380
I mean, I'm just trying to honor your wishes of making it to the last meet.

966
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:57,740
But I will say that we've had several changes, several changes to this ordinance and various forms.

967
01:21:57,740 --> 01:22:08,240
Because of that, I will do a final review before this is, if you decide to recommend this item to the Village Council.

968
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,600
We just want some room to make none substantive changes.

969
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:17,540
If we catch them, i.e. typos or items that you just mentioned.

970
01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:21,300
Just the final cleanup because I know we've had several reiterations.

971
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:25,440
Yeah, and so because we have that next month off,

972
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:29,060
you would like the ability to take a closer look from that standpoint.

973
01:22:29,980 --> 01:22:31,840
You want a motion for that?

974
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:35,720
No, when you, when you, when you need to open up for public comment,

975
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:41,360
but when you do vote, I would like a motion to recommend this with any

976
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:43,900
non-suffensive changes by staff for the military.

977
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,760
I have a general question.

978
01:22:48,620 --> 01:22:50,680
And, of course, we were viewing applications.

979
01:22:51,220 --> 01:22:59,580
We find things that are non-conforming, and on a whole weekend to give forgiveness, is that

980
01:22:59,580 --> 01:23:04,460
the right word to use, you know, and setbacks, because the house was built 30 years ago,

981
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:08,380
or nine and a half feet, not ten feet when these things are done.

982
01:23:08,500 --> 01:23:14,500
And we tend to simply say it's allowable, non-conforming.

983
01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:29,060
Do we need a phrase in here that talks about that in terms of the zoning code pre-existing non-conforming conditions that are basically allowable?

984
01:23:29,740 --> 01:23:35,700
There is a section in the code that essentially talks about non-conforming uses, non-conforming characteristics.

985
01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:47,760
like, it's already, it's already nasty, okay, is this, is under item section 412 where we

986
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:54,860
have the lot coverage in that. For existing single family residents built prior to 65,

987
01:23:56,220 --> 01:24:03,780
prior to the adoption of this regulation, it may be permitted up to a 2% increase in maximum

988
01:24:03,780 --> 01:24:07,820
lot coverage beyond the applicable standards provided the principal structure is not

989
01:24:07,820 --> 01:24:15,380
demolished and we change a minimum 50% of its exterior so exterior walls and 60% of its

990
01:24:15,380 --> 01:24:20,520
existing floor area. Does that help address what your concern is on that?

991
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:27,220
I don't believe so. What is concerns is, I think, those with any property that now would

992
01:24:27,220 --> 01:24:34,320
legally not conforming based off of these new and far and the coverage.

993
01:24:34,540 --> 01:24:42,160
Yeah, anything in this code that now it's changing, we have standard non-conforming language

994
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:49,620
that defaults in a code as to how many properties, whatever studies, how many properties

995
01:24:49,620 --> 01:24:52,100
will be non-conforming because of these regulations?

996
01:24:52,620 --> 01:24:55,620
No, I don't necessarily have that information.

997
01:24:55,620 --> 01:24:58,720
But if there were to be one like for example

998
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:07,000
A big box that has no step back on the second floor. Right. And now we have step back requirements, so that it's not conformed.

999
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:14,000
That almost every split level ensures has no set back on the second floor.

1000
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:21,700
They just don't alone to have it from the front plane and on whatever side that is.

1001
01:25:21,700 --> 01:25:32,520
I think there are probably more of those things that people realize and I think all the changes we made were very good and very appropriate and long time coming,

1002
01:25:33,180 --> 01:25:37,720
but I do get concerned that every now and then we do something that we're not sure we're doing.

1003
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,840
We have some of those kinds of consequences.

1004
01:25:41,480 --> 01:25:45,800
You know the thing is the way I see it is non-conforming properties.

1005
01:25:46,100 --> 01:25:48,340
There's a section in there that happens all the time.

1006
01:25:48,340 --> 01:25:52,040
zoning codes, zoning codes evolve and change, and that's the point, zoning code to do evolve

1007
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:52,880
and to do change.

1008
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:59,380
And this series of evolutions has really been because of the preemption of normal for

1009
01:25:59,380 --> 01:26:03,840
the most part, we used to be able to regulate building design language, we would be able

1010
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:08,680
to, without having all these codes that were restricted by your metrics, to be able to respond

1011
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:12,440
to the neighbors, to the neighborhoods comments about any particular application.

1012
01:26:12,940 --> 01:26:17,640
We are, without tools to do that, and so we've made changes.

1013
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:21,840
Of course, as time marches on, the code will continue to evolve.

1014
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:23,380
They'll be other evidence in the future.

1015
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,420
Maybe even relaxation on certain restrictions that we put into place now,

1016
01:26:27,980 --> 01:26:30,540
if the community feels differently and moving forward in the future.

1017
01:26:30,940 --> 01:26:31,540
I mean, nothing.

1018
01:26:32,020 --> 01:26:34,520
We get the government that we participate in, by and large,

1019
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:38,400
people have showed up to workshops and showed up to give their commentary here,

1020
01:26:38,420 --> 01:26:42,080
actually want us to go much further than we have been able to go.

1021
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:48,600
So, for one, I feel comfortable with where we're at, it's not everything that I think everybody wants.

1022
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:58,940
But I think it's a good compromise that it does seem to me people halfway between those that are property rights absolutists and those that are character absolutists.

1023
01:27:02,420 --> 01:27:02,900
Not yet.

1024
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:12,940
So, I mean, on that, just for the discussion on that item, on properties that are now deemed not conformist.

1025
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:20,780
I own the big box that doesn't conform to the step box or whatever and I want to do

1026
01:27:20,780 --> 01:27:25,880
in addition to the house or whatever. Is that going to be a problem? I'm going to have to get

1027
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,900
variances or something like that.

1028
01:27:28,220 --> 01:27:35,240
You just have to follow the non-conformity, non-conforming regulation. So it depends on the percentage

1029
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:42,920
of the amount that you might be changing and we have different non-conformity regulations.

1030
01:27:42,940 --> 01:27:52,280
based on the district, I think the first one is popping up right now is downtown district, but I know we have one that's specific to the R and so

1031
01:27:52,780 --> 01:28:02,140
it'll just have to conform within that range and if it doesn't then it'll have to get a new approval by not a variance, you just have to bring your property out to code.

1032
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:04,620
The point is that eventual rule.

1033
01:28:04,620 --> 01:28:08,560
I'm bringing my property to how I build the step back into my house.

1034
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:16,320
If you are beyond what the code provides, think you're going to have to bring it up.

1035
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,280
That's the point of non-conformity.

1036
01:28:18,540 --> 01:28:19,560
It's not that it's going to be.

1037
01:28:19,580 --> 01:28:23,540
You had applications come before us already that we're not conforming.

1038
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:26,860
And what we said was you can't further extend a non-conforming condition.

1039
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:29,220
And we've been very liberal in that interpretation.

1040
01:28:29,580 --> 01:28:33,060
There have been instances, for example, where a property that was required of a 10-foot

1041
01:28:33,060 --> 01:28:36,860
side yard set back came into the 9-foot 6 side yard set back existing condition.

1042
01:28:37,620 --> 01:28:45,420
And in the constrictive conservative reading of that code, we wouldn't have allowed in addition to further extend that, but we have allowed that here.

1043
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:50,060
So I think there's some subjectivity as to how we interpret it and press an incident with it.

1044
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:55,020
So let me ask, so I got the square box with no stepbacks in it.

1045
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:57,800
And I want to add on to my second floor.

1046
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:05,960
So I could add on the only way I could add on to my second floor is to build a step back.

1047
01:29:06,340 --> 01:29:08,720
Ten foot for that section of the add-on.

1048
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:14,900
Remember there's an exception for a certain percentage structure that you're adding more than 50 percent than yet.

1049
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:17,160
You can apply, but let's say you're adding less than 20 percent.

1050
01:29:17,420 --> 01:29:17,680
I don't know.

1051
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:17,980
Oh, groom.

1052
01:29:19,740 --> 01:29:24,340
If you continue that wall, I could continue that wall in the front without a step back.

1053
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:28,580
What I'm trying to do is give you the exact language in the college, which is not

1054
01:29:28,580 --> 01:29:31,740
populating at the moment, and I think it's trying to look as well.

1055
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:36,640
Maybe while you take any questions, I'm going to start at eight o'clock on our application.

1056
01:29:37,180 --> 01:29:42,160
What you can't do, unless you, you're going to spend this application, but I'd like to.

1057
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:46,760
But I would like to open a public comment here once we've done a shared discussion.

1058
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:49,320
I think we're close, right?

1059
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:53,060
Any other comments on this?

1060
01:29:53,060 --> 01:29:55,280
Let me open this to public comment then.

1061
01:29:55,740 --> 01:29:57,640
If I'd like to open this item to public comment,

1062
01:29:59,200 --> 01:29:59,960
they'll let you slay to bite.

1063
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:01,800
The ordinance that we've been reviewing.

1064
01:30:06,060 --> 01:30:11,720
I understand. Any public comment on it before we continue.

1065
01:30:13,540 --> 01:30:23,240
Okay. There's no further public comment on it. Any further discussion on it? Maybe we can get a motion or idea that?

1066
01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:29,320
Just for the record, I don't want to be clear. I know you all have discussed your limitations in terms.

1067
01:30:29,900 --> 01:30:31,460
I'm not sure we have one.

1068
01:30:32,540 --> 01:30:34,140
I got to take her.

1069
01:30:34,780 --> 01:30:35,460
All right, go ahead.

1070
01:30:36,500 --> 01:30:36,800
No, no.

1071
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:36,900
No, no, no.

1072
01:30:36,900 --> 01:30:39,200
In my own, I'm sure we don't have source system here.

1073
01:30:39,340 --> 01:30:40,460
There's a set of things.

1074
01:30:40,940 --> 01:30:42,480
Any extension of properties,

1075
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:45,700
not that going to affect the set of the system?

1076
01:30:47,620 --> 01:30:47,800
Just.

1077
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:50,240
Well, here you're here.

1078
01:30:50,420 --> 01:30:53,480
You can have only such a size of 60 times.

1079
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:57,740
I cannot cover all the air of that and support exposed

1080
01:30:57,740 --> 01:31:00,800
is this considered in this conversation?

1081
01:31:04,950 --> 01:31:09,650
And the final analysis, because we are a neighbor.

1082
01:31:10,010 --> 01:31:12,070
We are a home section, so forth.

1083
01:31:12,430 --> 01:31:16,670
What is the final height of any building you want

1084
01:31:16,670 --> 01:31:18,630
to allow to be built?

1085
01:31:19,630 --> 01:31:21,710
One for two for how many feet?

1086
01:31:22,190 --> 01:31:24,450
In our code, it's 28 feet.

1087
01:31:24,770 --> 01:31:25,670
It's 28 feet.

1088
01:31:25,970 --> 01:31:26,730
What we're supposed to do?

1089
01:31:27,630 --> 01:31:27,690
Yes.

1090
01:31:27,990 --> 01:31:29,030
That's about three-fold.

1091
01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:30,510
Two stories

1092
01:31:31,030 --> 01:31:34,670
Two stories are 2018. That's a little bit too high

1093
01:31:35,390 --> 01:31:40,270
Not it includes the real push-up page value. Not what I would be homes that three for huh

1094
01:31:40,910 --> 01:31:45,430
It's it's not really a discussion item. It's more public comment for you

1095
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:51,630
What I mean it's public comment for you. It's not really I don't think so what I'm not to say is if

1096
01:31:52,510 --> 01:31:53,070
the

1097
01:31:53,070 --> 01:31:56,370
set the system does not all all

1098
01:31:56,370 --> 01:31:59,550
and enlarger construction.

1099
01:31:59,550 --> 01:32:03,350
Then that will control the height of the structure, absolutely.

1100
01:32:03,370 --> 01:32:06,310
The height is at the average height.

1101
01:32:06,630 --> 01:32:10,050
My average was none of them at 3, 4, 3, 4, 5.

1102
01:32:10,750 --> 01:32:12,110
I can't think of it.

1103
01:32:12,110 --> 01:32:13,270
There are these increases.

1104
01:32:15,370 --> 01:32:15,630
972.

1105
01:32:16,830 --> 01:32:18,950
Is there any holes at 3, 4, 5, right?

1106
01:32:19,030 --> 01:32:19,430
No.

1107
01:32:20,110 --> 01:32:20,310
No.

1108
01:32:21,730 --> 01:32:22,470
Thank you.

1109
01:32:22,730 --> 01:32:23,230
Thank you.

1110
01:32:24,530 --> 01:32:29,850
So, through the chair, as I was stating earlier with the non-conforming regulations, it appears

1111
01:32:29,850 --> 01:32:34,150
it falls underneath the Mami Shore's downtown district.

1112
01:32:34,670 --> 01:32:39,270
I would recommend you add something in the article that just crossed reference to that

1113
01:32:39,270 --> 01:32:45,030
non-conforming regulations for, you know, specific that it applies.

1114
01:32:45,510 --> 01:32:45,930
Is that okay?

1115
01:32:47,290 --> 01:32:48,550
So, we should, yes.

1116
01:32:49,090 --> 01:32:51,530
So, I'd add that amendment as well.

1117
01:32:51,530 --> 01:32:59,810
And then the only thing is, when we counsel counsel, we'll inform them of the original recommendations,

1118
01:33:01,130 --> 01:33:05,990
and our recommendations as I related to the SB 180 items that we've initially removed,

1119
01:33:06,490 --> 01:33:08,850
and those items that you guys included in this version.

1120
01:33:09,290 --> 01:33:17,410
So they're clear in terms of what we are recommending is legally sound versus what we believe should be removed from this draft.

1121
01:33:17,410 --> 01:33:22,270
But what we believe will be included, and then we're just advising that.

1122
01:33:22,270 --> 01:33:29,090
Right, I'm going to forward them over your ordinance, and they're going to separately indicate every item that will be violated.

1123
01:33:29,130 --> 01:33:29,790
There's a question.

1124
01:33:33,090 --> 01:33:33,910
All right.

1125
01:33:35,510 --> 01:33:36,870
So what's our next thing?

1126
01:33:37,150 --> 01:33:49,130
I guess we think we think we have it where we want to be subject to your ability to make any sort of non-substances changes.

1127
01:33:51,370 --> 01:34:02,290
So I'd make a motion to make a recommendation to Council to approve the code as we've edited this evening with the addition of the non-conforming cross-reference.

1128
01:34:02,290 --> 01:34:03,610
I want the prize.

1129
01:34:04,030 --> 01:34:07,190
And the staff to make a pro community.

1130
01:34:07,950 --> 01:34:11,050
And the authorised to have to meet non-consequent or anything else.

1131
01:34:11,430 --> 01:34:12,110
I'm not sure if that's the best.

1132
01:34:12,630 --> 01:34:13,530
Back in.

1133
01:34:13,730 --> 01:34:14,350
Oh, I'm sorry.

1134
01:34:14,990 --> 01:34:17,530
I got, we beat you to the second.

1135
01:34:18,010 --> 01:34:19,170
Mike, we'll go up the second.

1136
01:34:19,650 --> 01:34:21,010
All in favor say aye.

1137
01:34:21,010 --> 01:34:21,490
Aye.

1138
01:34:24,190 --> 01:34:24,570
All right.

1139
01:34:24,710 --> 01:34:25,150
Thank you.

1140
01:34:26,470 --> 01:34:29,530
Check if we take a five minute break before we go into these.

1141
01:34:29,530 --> 01:34:29,790
Yeah.

1142
01:34:29,830 --> 01:34:32,790
I have a request to take a five minute break.

1143
01:34:32,790 --> 01:34:34,770
and then we'll start our applications.

1144
01:42:09,580 --> 01:42:20,320
Please be advised that the following items on the board's agenda are quasi-judicial in nature. If you wish to comment upon these items, please indicate the item number you would like to address when the announcement regarding the quasi-judicial item is made.

1145
01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:33,000
In opportunity for persons to speak when each item will be made available after the applicant and staff have made their presentations on each item, swearing in all testimony including public testimony and evidence will be made under oath or affirmation.

1146
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:41,780
In accordance with section 2-100 of the village code, any lobbyists must register before addressing the board on any of the following items.

1147
01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:50,060
Board members must disclose any expert take communications concerning any items on the agenda, pursuant section 2-86 of the village code.

1148
01:42:50,340 --> 01:42:52,580
At this time, are there any board disclosures?

1149
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:53,760
No.

1150
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:58,080
The recording secretary will swear in any persons who wish to testify.

1151
01:42:59,860 --> 01:43:00,460
Good evening.

1152
01:43:03,300 --> 01:43:06,680
Well, all the applicants please raise their right hand.

1153
01:43:08,590 --> 01:43:09,970
Do you swear to tell the truth?

1154
01:43:10,170 --> 01:43:10,790
So I'll truth it.

1155
01:43:10,830 --> 01:43:12,790
I think that's what the truth is in your statement today.

1156
01:43:13,450 --> 01:43:14,750
Okay, thank you.

1157
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:28,920
Thank you, sir.

1158
01:43:29,420 --> 01:43:35,200
The laws approximately 12,075 square feet in size, it contains a one-storey single-family home

1159
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:36,860
original built in 1948.

1160
01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:42,740
The existing structure has an actual area of 1,672 square feet configured with two bedrooms,

1161
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:44,640
one bathroom and a one-car garage.

1162
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:51,760
The applicant seeks to demolish the single-family structure and proposes the construction of a new one-story single-family dwelling comprised of

1163
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:54,440
4,368 square feet in size.

1164
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:58,780
The proposed site plan indicates a total of four bedrooms, four and a half bathrooms,

1165
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:02,940
exercise room, two cargo rods and swimming pool without door terrors area.

1166
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:08,280
That was confirmed that the R15 zoning district is compatible with the single-family

1167
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:23,920
future land use and measured the site plan amongst the 23 different zoning criteria as found in the villages zoning code and therefore we're recommending a approval along with all of the stipulated conditions as found in your condition in your staff report

1168
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:24,520
sorry. Thank

1169
01:44:38,500 --> 01:44:39,660
you

1170
01:44:40,420 --> 01:44:41,380
it's perfect

1171
01:44:43,420 --> 01:44:51,300
So just be sure to speak into the mic, please. Thank you. Okay. There are good evenings. The members. My name is Federico Sabata

1172
01:44:51,300 --> 01:44:59,160
156 northwest 89 street at the Portal Florida and I'm proud to present Casalume

1173
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:07,340
We sincerely appreciate the staff so on wavering support throughout this process working with Mr. Nounius and Mr. Zinn has been a pleasure.

1174
01:45:08,340 --> 01:45:15,340
Our application has been embedded and confirmed as a hundred percent compliant with the billage and zoning code.

1175
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:22,520
The staff has recommended approval and we are here before you tonight seeking an unanimous vote to move forward.

1176
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:26,780
If you can please turn to page 3432

1177
01:45:30,490 --> 01:45:32,250
further down.

1178
01:45:47,850 --> 01:45:50,450
What we're scrolling will look at the renderance.

1179
01:45:51,050 --> 01:45:57,470
Casaluma is a contextually sensitive single story residents,

1180
01:45:58,310 --> 01:46:02,930
meticulously designed to complement the character of North East 95th Street,

1181
01:46:03,530 --> 01:46:09,950
establishing a presence that is perfectly harmonious in both volume and mass.

1182
01:46:09,950 --> 01:46:18,570
We deliberately chose a law profile, single story configuration that this significantly

1183
01:46:18,570 --> 01:46:27,770
below the 30-foot to story height allowance, picking a just 5-15 feet 8 inches, or propose

1184
01:46:27,770 --> 01:46:35,550
designing corporates, deeply recess central volumes, structure mage-masonry openings,

1185
01:46:39,930 --> 01:46:39,930
and

1186
01:46:39,930 --> 01:46:47,990
introduce visual rhythm, shadow depth, and pedestrian, skeleton warm. Together with my wife and

1187
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:53,850
my two daughters we live in Elportal and I'm certain that we would love to live in this house.

1188
01:46:55,030 --> 01:47:01,230
The material pallet that we show selected leverages, durable elements,

1189
01:47:01,230 --> 01:47:08,510
small white stock, natural, travel tin accents, and stain oak.

1190
01:47:09,550 --> 01:47:14,470
Furthermore, the two car and closed garage is fully integrated into the building's

1191
01:47:14,470 --> 01:47:19,490
massing, minimizing the visual prominence from the streetscape.

1192
01:47:20,190 --> 01:47:24,690
For landscape is a hundred percent native or Florida adaptive species.

1193
01:47:24,690 --> 01:47:31,890
The front perimeter hedging is restricted at 36 inch Pahama coffee, while the

1194
01:47:31,890 --> 01:47:38,830
side yards utilize a 48 inch Spanish topper for neighbor privacy. Stormwater management,

1195
01:47:39,690 --> 01:47:45,550
safety tank, structural engineering, and polygorous protocols all have been thoroughly coordinated.

1196
01:47:47,210 --> 01:47:53,990
In conclusion, Casaluma replaces an aging structure with a resilient, cold compliance

1197
01:47:53,990 --> 01:47:59,250
and beautifully articulated home that protects long-term property values and respect the

1198
01:47:59,250 --> 01:48:03,890
village character. I respectfully request you a forward tonight.

1199
01:48:04,230 --> 01:48:04,870
Thank you.

1200
01:48:12,540 --> 01:48:17,460
Yeah, I have a question. In the front is you go in the front door, if you go

1201
01:48:17,460 --> 01:48:23,840
in the front door to the right, it has something called a mood room. Yes. What's a mood room?

1202
01:48:24,140 --> 01:48:28,440
It's a flexible space. It could be an office. It could be an other bedroom.

1203
01:48:28,440 --> 01:48:40,800
I don't say I have a full bathroom but it just has small room and then the exercise room

1204
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:48,220
in the back has a separate entrance as well so that could be another bedroom.

1205
01:48:59,450 --> 01:49:07,650
When you put the car the garage on the side you're sure you can make that turn into the space

1206
01:49:07,650 --> 01:49:14,930
correct we better that and if you can see we put the decorated stones surface has permitted

1207
01:49:14,930 --> 01:49:20,630
by the code so that way you can back up and then progress in these doors the driver.

1208
01:49:21,450 --> 01:49:28,630
So, so you're going to use that area to drive over but it's permeable, it's permeable.

1209
01:49:28,930 --> 01:49:37,130
Yes, it's a stone's a lot of decorated, it's a drive-over basically black off and if you

1210
01:49:37,130 --> 01:49:38,070
other

1211
01:49:43,540 --> 01:49:46,600
questions from the board to the applicant. Just wondering your

1212
01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:50,520
articulation of your facade that fronts the street, I've noticed that it's

1213
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:53,660
substantially devoid of any kind of demonstrations or patterns. It's

1214
01:49:53,660 --> 01:49:56,520
presenting essentially blank masses to the street front. What role of your

1215
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:59,620
design position? It's actually going to be G201. The revivic, the revivic.

1216
01:50:00,690 --> 01:50:09,330
The official that you're presenting to the street front is substantially devoid of any massing, I'm sorry, any festerations, there are blank walls that you're presenting to the street.

1217
01:50:09,330 --> 01:50:14,650
No, there's a finestration on the right side. Can we show the, excuse me, the rendering?

1218
01:50:15,930 --> 01:50:17,790
You're rendering showing the void.

1219
01:50:18,670 --> 01:50:23,630
That's why it's, that's why it's made for sure to render in base 32.

1220
01:50:24,610 --> 01:50:27,630
I have the updated rendering in front of me

1221
01:50:30,190 --> 01:50:31,650
and as you can see.

1222
01:50:32,330 --> 01:50:37,130
Because the question on the garage, especially specifically on the garage, you have no

1223
01:50:37,130 --> 01:50:41,890
fenestration or windows or anything on the side of the garage there, the not look

1224
01:50:41,890 --> 01:50:47,970
kind of blank, referencing your north elevation, that you're seeing on it, PGA-200 to be

1225
01:50:47,970 --> 01:50:55,450
yes, PGA-14, so they look at that, you have one window, all right, well you have two windows

1226
01:50:56,030 --> 01:51:01,630
and the door, I see that you have a, you have a, you have a, you have a

1227
01:51:01,630 --> 01:51:06,850
be says to facade, it's further back, but I'm talking about the facade that presents to

1228
01:51:06,850 --> 01:51:11,470
the street, that's the first plane that we see on the street for. I'm just wondering how

1229
01:51:11,470 --> 01:51:15,750
you find that to be harmonious when you look at the rest of the homes that are on that street.

1230
01:51:16,430 --> 01:51:23,310
Well, we wanted to also, for us, create a house that is, is we model it, you know, and it

1231
01:51:23,310 --> 01:51:30,490
fits within the model context. If you look at most of the windows that you drive around, most

1232
01:51:30,490 --> 01:51:35,470
the windows that have or houses that have a lot of frustration looking into the front property

1233
01:51:35,470 --> 01:51:38,770
for the most part of the teachers have the shades down.

1234
01:51:39,470 --> 01:51:41,390
So we just wanted to create that privacy.

1235
01:51:41,630 --> 01:51:46,530
That's why all the bedrooms are located on the rear on the house on the side.

1236
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:51,130
That way people can open the window and have that privacy that you want.

1237
01:51:51,350 --> 01:51:55,870
I mean, many sources a lot has a lot to do with the street front and what gets presented

1238
01:51:55,870 --> 01:52:02,090
I have a street front, for example, you have a walled in front yard and no other house on that street has a walled in front yard.

1239
01:52:02,750 --> 01:52:08,050
What I do appreciate with your design is that you did choose to do a single story structure on this property, I think that's great.

1240
01:52:09,310 --> 01:52:20,890
But I am having a hard time seeing how other than that particular part of the volumetric that the way that you articulated the design is actually in harmony with the rest of the homes on the street.

1241
01:52:22,410 --> 01:52:27,390
If you look at the materiality, you look at the rows, you look at the volume metrics.

1242
01:52:27,970 --> 01:52:29,890
That's what we wanted to...

1243
01:52:30,730 --> 01:52:33,850
Yeah, I looked at the volume metrics, I looked at the materiality.

1244
01:52:34,510 --> 01:52:38,750
For talking about other metrics, you mentioned that you thought that the home is small.

1245
01:52:39,090 --> 01:52:42,930
The problem that I'm having with it is it feels like you've maximized that every single metric.

1246
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:48,670
If you look at your septic system, for example, you haven't submitted a design septic system,

1247
01:52:48,670 --> 01:52:53,990
you are suggesting that you're going to do an engineer septic system, which is an alternate

1248
01:52:53,990 --> 01:52:59,950
to the standard drain field. But the Miami-D County OSTS manuals, it doesn't allow that,

1249
01:53:00,030 --> 01:53:04,550
unless there's a specific demonstrated hardship on the site. But this is new construction,

1250
01:53:04,810 --> 01:53:10,510
so you're creating a self-imposed hardship where the house is so big that you don't have room

1251
01:53:10,510 --> 01:53:13,050
for a drain field, a standard size drain field.

1252
01:53:16,180 --> 01:53:18,000
So we have done, I have done it,

1253
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:22,380
the best, what we have the third system, and I established those, those, those, those

1254
01:53:22,380 --> 01:53:22,700
reductions.

1255
01:53:22,820 --> 01:53:24,200
We're probably going to house our idea.

1256
01:53:24,660 --> 01:53:28,220
How specifically is, in, in accordance with the RST as manual, doesn't allow it.

1257
01:53:28,220 --> 01:53:33,480
So, I don't know if you had a reviewer that just didn't catch it, but they don't allow it.

1258
01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:37,420
There's only certain accepting to what it do, and new constructions in one of them.

1259
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:40,480
This from their own interpretation of that particular code.

1260
01:53:40,780 --> 01:53:44,820
So, I mean, you'll, you'll have that issue when you get to them, and maybe it'll go through.

1261
01:53:44,820 --> 01:53:49,920
But I'm using that as a point to suggest that there's a lot of footprint on this site.

1262
01:53:50,100 --> 01:53:52,920
There's not a lot of area that's left.

1263
01:53:54,220 --> 01:53:59,520
There's a specimen tree, for example, that you're calling to be removed because it's in the way of your garage.

1264
01:54:00,260 --> 01:54:03,280
You're using decorative scone for section 536.

1265
01:54:03,480 --> 01:54:05,640
But that violates the intent of that particular section.

1266
01:54:05,740 --> 01:54:08,500
You're not supposed to use as an extension to it right away.

1267
01:54:08,500 --> 01:54:14,600
Decker-Destone in that section says that the intent of it is to be used to enhance the growth of landscaping.

1268
01:54:14,840 --> 01:54:23,260
But you're using that to create your turning radius to get into a two-car garage with an 11-foot-6 inch driveway which otherwise doesn't allow you to turn into that garage.

1269
01:54:23,660 --> 01:54:25,100
That's why the Decker-Destone's there.

1270
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:29,520
So I think that there's some issues that you've got to contend with here.

1271
01:54:29,820 --> 01:54:32,700
From my point of view, I don't know how my colleagues feel about that.

1272
01:54:32,980 --> 01:54:37,740
But my concerns would be, I think it's just a little bit too much on this site.

1273
01:54:38,900 --> 01:54:41,860
I do have a problem with the removal of that tree.

1274
01:54:42,280 --> 01:54:43,800
It's a very large tree.

1275
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:45,900
I'm sure tree that you're sitting out.

1276
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:47,920
Not great that we're doing that.

1277
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:50,900
But it's in the essence of the neighborhood.

1278
01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:55,380
I spoke to her when we basically went into the property.

1279
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:56,920
Look, I would tell you this much.

1280
01:54:57,020 --> 01:54:58,340
It's a Florida native specimen.

1281
01:54:58,820 --> 01:54:59,940
So it's a strange little thing.

1282
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:04,420
It's not an invasive. It's not. It's sitting into the clearing home.

1283
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:09,040
Yeah, I don't know what to tell you about that. I'm just telling you that that's a mature tree.

1284
01:55:09,180 --> 01:55:11,520
It might be sure to just characterize by his tree canopy as well.

1285
01:55:11,980 --> 01:55:15,400
And that'll be a major subtraction to the character of that street.

1286
01:55:16,100 --> 01:55:19,980
And you're really not proposing a lot, because you don't have a lot of area left over to plant much.

1287
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:27,800
So that's pretty much what I have here. I think that the design, it's a good start in my opinion.

1288
01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:29,660
any other

1289
01:55:32,060 --> 01:55:33,280
questions to the applicant?

1290
01:55:37,820 --> 01:55:40,120
I have some similar comments or regarding the

1291
01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:42,860
administration on the front just seems like your

1292
01:55:43,780 --> 01:55:47,820
there's some elements that are fantastic but then

1293
01:55:48,160 --> 01:55:51,200
seems like the house turns its back on the

1294
01:55:51,200 --> 01:55:54,360
pedestrian and then opens up in the back.

1295
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:57,560
So I think if you added some windows or

1296
01:55:57,560 --> 01:56:02,160
broke up that mass somehow, G201, that might

1297
01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:03,420
That would help some.

1298
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:05,100
Well, what would you see in it?

1299
01:56:05,140 --> 01:56:06,460
I don't know if it's not clear here.

1300
01:56:06,460 --> 01:56:09,640
You have a big wind on the middle of the home.

1301
01:56:10,620 --> 01:56:10,780
Yeah.

1302
01:56:10,980 --> 01:56:12,620
That one has a big wind on the field.

1303
01:56:13,880 --> 01:56:14,820
The front of the house.

1304
01:56:15,160 --> 01:56:15,740
Which is correct.

1305
01:56:15,860 --> 01:56:17,820
Which is also a little behind the wood.

1306
01:56:17,820 --> 01:56:19,580
We're struggling with right here.

1307
01:56:20,060 --> 01:56:21,960
But if you look at it.

1308
01:56:22,060 --> 01:56:23,160
Look at this right here.

1309
01:56:24,500 --> 01:56:25,820
It's a big wind on the field.

1310
01:56:26,860 --> 01:56:29,180
It's a big wind on the field.

1311
01:56:31,580 --> 01:56:40,820
There's not like I'm closing it completely, you do have windows on the front, you don't see it in order of parent because that's what we want to create.

1312
01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:44,760
That privacy from the front is what the windows are there.

1313
01:56:44,900 --> 01:56:53,340
The articulation of the volumes are that not creating just a blank facet or you know to store the blank facet,

1314
01:56:53,340 --> 01:56:59,820
We create in this harmonious, we can put in a creating shadow also with the setback hook, the volume.

1315
01:57:05,420 --> 01:57:06,740
You can clearly see it.

1316
01:57:10,160 --> 01:57:10,760
No,

1317
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:14,400
we understand that.

1318
01:57:14,860 --> 01:57:17,980
We just struggle with that big wall on the side of your image.

1319
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:25,480
I think in the right side, you got that one little vertical window, and then on the left side.

1320
01:57:25,480 --> 01:57:33,220
I think it's much better than I think it's just a car garage that can go out of those.

1321
01:57:35,490 --> 01:57:44,770
I would agree with you there, but you just have two huge expanses that are flat.

1322
01:57:45,750 --> 01:57:51,410
I forget that there's no windows that are extremely, I know that you have one little tiny window there, I got it.

1323
01:57:51,410 --> 01:57:58,350
But if you look at it at the rendering on the left hand side, it's just totally flat.

1324
01:57:59,750 --> 01:58:01,350
Because it's not even broken up.

1325
01:58:02,370 --> 01:58:02,650
You know.

1326
01:58:02,650 --> 01:58:05,170
You know, on the left side of the windows, I can't have one look for the garage.

1327
01:58:05,350 --> 01:58:06,310
And I think that is okay.

1328
01:58:06,490 --> 01:58:07,970
You can bring light into the garage.

1329
01:58:08,690 --> 01:58:11,550
And we just made make it that into,

1330
01:58:12,750 --> 01:58:15,850
because some mimic this, create some bird cavity.

1331
01:58:16,310 --> 01:58:17,210
Create some fenestration.

1332
01:58:18,190 --> 01:58:19,270
I'm not a, I'm not a bird.

1333
01:58:19,270 --> 01:58:20,110
That's a good one.

1334
01:58:20,430 --> 01:58:21,010
That's a good one.

1335
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:23,070
That's a good one.

1336
01:58:25,150 --> 01:58:31,530
This is a different one than we got in here, but basically, because the picture we got

1337
01:58:31,530 --> 01:58:38,390
to a one does show the vertical window on the right on the right mass, but nothing on the left mass.

1338
01:58:39,070 --> 01:58:39,650
Because it's a magical.

1339
01:58:39,830 --> 01:58:41,810
That's something magical to that.

1340
01:58:41,810 --> 01:58:43,890
The right side on our left side.

1341
01:58:44,470 --> 01:58:47,910
And also, I mean, the version that they're looking at is a hard copy version.

1342
01:58:47,910 --> 01:58:52,290
version I'm looking at is what the public sees when they go to the application. I download everything

1343
01:58:52,290 --> 01:58:57,770
that the public would otherwise have access to. And the version that we have doesn't have the window on the

1344
01:58:57,770 --> 01:59:00,270
budget. There is an impatient.

1345
01:59:05,270 --> 01:59:06,610
Yes. It does show an impatient 30.

1346
01:59:06,970 --> 01:59:07,930
It's thirty two.

1347
01:59:08,170 --> 01:59:08,610
Thirty three.

1348
01:59:09,270 --> 01:59:09,890
Thirty two.

1349
01:59:10,370 --> 01:59:11,770
Yeah. So you have two different ideas.

1350
01:59:12,110 --> 01:59:12,710
First and foremost.

1351
01:59:13,370 --> 01:59:14,490
We were made up of made up of.

1352
01:59:14,870 --> 01:59:18,050
In my opinion, I think there would be a step in the direction you might consider.

1353
01:59:18,050 --> 01:59:24,370
They're stirring windows on the garage and we'll probably with you presenting a garage door to the street front isn't appealing either

1354
01:59:25,630 --> 01:59:29,910
But believe this property is now he right is that this property is on an alley

1355
01:59:29,910 --> 01:59:37,230
Yeah, correct, so you're also missing the indentation at the alley our code requires an invitation for refuge pickup when you're on an alley

1356
01:59:42,710 --> 01:59:45,210
Also when you're pervious in impervious calculations

1357
01:59:45,210 --> 01:59:49,650
you're missing the wall foundations for the wall, you're missing the pavers that wrap around the building,

1358
01:59:50,250 --> 01:59:54,430
you're missing equipment pads, and you have no hardscape around your pool, but you have a roof that's

1359
01:59:54,430 --> 01:59:59,030
draining right into the pool. So likely somebody's going to add some hardscape around the pool.

1360
02:00:00,620 --> 02:00:04,200
All of this together, you're going to be passed here in pervious, pervious calculations.

1361
02:00:05,680 --> 02:00:09,020
I think it feels a little bit too much on the site.

1362
02:00:10,840 --> 02:00:14,100
We added the paths.

1363
02:00:14,860 --> 02:00:20,360
That's part of the confidation we've created the excitement with the mechanical engineer.

1364
02:00:20,360 --> 02:00:21,160
Yeah, come on.

1365
02:00:21,420 --> 02:00:22,140
We have a civil.

1366
02:00:22,140 --> 02:00:23,580
We have a civil union.

1367
02:00:23,940 --> 02:00:23,960
Yes.

1368
02:00:24,020 --> 02:00:26,640
That will take on all the of the water collection.

1369
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:27,600
We're not going to do it.

1370
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:28,420
It's been patient.

1371
02:00:28,720 --> 02:00:29,640
It's under property.

1372
02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:30,820
That's how it's going to be.

1373
02:00:31,260 --> 02:00:32,280
PDA page six.

1374
02:00:32,420 --> 02:00:33,300
The previous calculations.

1375
02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:35,320
Let me show the one equipment pad to the right.

1376
02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:39,220
But you have another pad that looks graphically you're having some sort of an outdoor

1377
02:00:39,220 --> 02:00:40,600
tub in your floor plan.

1378
02:00:40,600 --> 02:00:41,720
That's not shown.

1379
02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:43,500
The wall foundations aren't shown.

1380
02:00:43,960 --> 02:00:46,000
And the pavers that wrap around the edges aren't shown.

1381
02:00:46,300 --> 02:00:47,220
I'm raising all of this.

1382
02:00:47,420 --> 02:00:49,540
And then obviously nothing around the pool or the connection.

1383
02:00:49,540 --> 02:00:55,440
the connection to the house, I'm sorry, G101, it should be the next page.

1384
02:00:57,660 --> 02:00:59,600
So this is the third diagram from the left.

1385
02:01:00,940 --> 02:01:05,300
So you're missing the connection to your paper connection to the house, the walkway connection to the house.

1386
02:01:05,680 --> 02:01:13,860
We don't count that right now in our current code. In the new code, there is some provisions for that, but that's not in place yet.

1387
02:01:13,860 --> 02:01:17,540
Um, you're missing all of your pavers that wrap around the outside edge of your property.

1388
02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:21,420
You're missing the connection from the pool to the, to the house as well.

1389
02:01:21,540 --> 02:01:24,700
And you also have no allocations for any hardscape around the pool.

1390
02:01:25,560 --> 02:01:31,160
You've got this narrow strap strip of grass, but you have roof drainage running right into that.

1391
02:01:31,580 --> 02:01:33,220
You, there's not going to be any grass that grows there.

1392
02:01:33,240 --> 02:01:35,440
So people are going to wind up putting pavers there.

1393
02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:40,280
The point is, you're going to write up to the line of what's feasible, but you're not showing certain things.

1394
02:01:40,280 --> 02:01:46,020
So, I believe that you're going to want to be in over and that goes to the idea that you have too much on the site.

1395
02:01:51,250 --> 02:02:01,950
Well, coordinator, it's, it's, uh, I understand your point. It's 100% compliant. We went back and forward on, on, on all the items, and we're cutting it and, like I said,

1396
02:02:02,990 --> 02:02:12,730
we can, we have a program. The program is not there. We're not proposing a massive house. I rather, I think this is a better proposition that I have to store home.

1397
02:02:15,450 --> 02:02:18,870
It fits with, it fits, it fits with in the context.

1398
02:02:19,230 --> 02:02:22,630
Yeah, it's one story, only in all the homes in the studio of the story.

1399
02:02:22,670 --> 02:02:27,250
So I don't think that you're necessarily, can say I'm going to build a two-story home here

1400
02:02:27,250 --> 02:02:30,110
and maximize the height because we'll push back on that as well.

1401
02:02:31,170 --> 02:02:33,670
If you add a bunch of two-story homes in the street, that would be a different story,

1402
02:02:33,830 --> 02:02:37,310
but there is something in our code that's called Harmony's Section 5, but fourth code.

1403
02:02:37,710 --> 02:02:41,450
And that is what we're tasked here as the gatekeepers of the same place.

1404
02:02:41,450 --> 02:02:48,970
And you made a good effort, but my estimation really, I don't think you're there, but I'll be willing to listen to where the rest of my colleagues are.

1405
02:02:49,110 --> 02:02:50,030
Anybody else have any comments?

1406
02:02:51,750 --> 02:02:53,550
I would agree with you.

1407
02:02:54,610 --> 02:02:55,350
I would agree.

1408
02:02:55,870 --> 02:02:58,710
It's really, very, very tight.

1409
02:02:58,890 --> 02:03:05,910
And there are items that are missing from the purviews and imperviews that I have concern about.

1410
02:03:08,440 --> 02:03:08,880
It's an aren't you?

1411
02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:22,380
Like what you just said, the connection from the pool deck or the pool to the house of the edge.

1412
02:03:22,760 --> 02:03:28,480
It's all, we propose our official phone, so we're not connecting the pool to the house.

1413
02:03:28,740 --> 02:03:32,920
It's just rusted on, if you go to the rendering, you can clearly see.

1414
02:03:32,920 --> 02:03:41,180
Actually, if you go to L004, this is a PDF page 23, let's get a list of things.

1415
02:03:41,500 --> 02:03:45,920
You're showing graphically, papers, not artificial turf.

1416
02:03:46,940 --> 02:03:54,440
So I think there's ink and system season plan, that's all I, that just has a natural stone.

1417
02:03:54,600 --> 02:04:00,500
But again, we don't count that as being, we can't count that as being purvious, that's currently counted as being purvious.

1418
02:04:00,500 --> 02:04:04,040
if you're putting that as a paper, you've got to count that as being impervious.

1419
02:04:05,420 --> 02:04:09,560
And it's a just a decorat, it's a stone, it's natural, all light if you go to,

1420
02:04:10,540 --> 02:04:11,560
let's go, let's go.

1421
02:04:11,560 --> 02:04:12,660
I want to give you some guidance here.

1422
02:04:13,240 --> 02:04:16,260
Bottom of my corner, all those papers that are wrapping around the edge,

1423
02:04:16,940 --> 02:04:20,600
but those are all, they need to be counted in your impervious calculation.

1424
02:04:21,240 --> 02:04:23,260
The wall that you're including in the front yard,

1425
02:04:23,320 --> 02:04:25,500
if you want to get rid of the wall great, you don't need to count it.

1426
02:04:26,780 --> 02:04:28,300
Probably the neighbors would prefer that.

1427
02:04:28,340 --> 02:04:29,220
Nobody else has walls.

1428
02:04:29,220 --> 02:04:34,720
But right now, you've got a wall foundation there that's impervious. You've got a connection that connects to

1429
02:04:35,500 --> 02:04:42,440
From from the sidewalk to the driveway and then from the driveway to the house. That's not being counted in your in your in your calculations

1430
02:04:43,020 --> 02:04:50,300
When you add all that up, you're gonna be over and that's not even having the conversation about whether or not you are gonna be able to do any kind of

1431
02:04:50,300 --> 02:04:54,360
Thing around the pool right now. You have no way of even getting to the pool other than those two steps

1432
02:04:54,360 --> 02:04:58,560
It's likely that a future owner is going to wind up putting hard-scape around that pool

1433
02:04:58,560 --> 02:04:59,960
and they don't push it.

1434
02:05:00,020 --> 02:05:07,120
Over your max. For I'm not even calculating that right now. Just thinking about all the other things you're not showing. You're going to be over.

1435
02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:09,500
But you're not showing us what we don't know for sure.

1436
02:05:15,600 --> 02:05:17,620
Any other questions from the board to the applicant?

1437
02:05:18,740 --> 02:05:23,380
Like to open it to public comment. Any public comment on this application?

1438
02:05:29,430 --> 02:05:33,210
And about 37 North is a hotter street.

1439
02:05:34,330 --> 02:05:35,550
And listen to all the comments.

1440
02:05:37,410 --> 02:05:45,690
And the one thing that I still don't understand of most of these builders,

1441
02:05:46,450 --> 02:05:49,170
slash, architect, slash, whatever.

1442
02:05:50,190 --> 02:05:52,150
They're for the word harmonious.

1443
02:05:53,950 --> 02:05:58,550
And I haven't seen too much of that building that structure there.

1444
02:05:58,550 --> 02:06:01,950
that's harmonious to the system structures.

1445
02:06:02,910 --> 02:06:06,550
Those homes there, the ones that I'm familiar with,

1446
02:06:08,910 --> 02:06:12,950
are what we call common, modern, short homes for all of it.

1447
02:06:12,970 --> 02:06:18,170
People, the working class people that basically live there for decades,

1448
02:06:18,670 --> 02:06:19,890
and that's all they could afford.

1449
02:06:21,310 --> 02:06:26,370
So, I don't, I don't also understand what this fascination is.

1450
02:06:26,370 --> 02:06:31,370
building a wall in the front of the house. If you want to, if you're an architect, I would

1451
02:06:31,370 --> 02:06:37,270
think that you would like to promote the front of your house instead of putting a wall up front.

1452
02:06:37,710 --> 02:06:39,390
I think that's ridiculous myself.

1453
02:06:43,540 --> 02:06:47,140
I can go on and on. Most of your answers are the questions

1454
02:06:47,140 --> 02:06:56,100
to this gentleman here and I'm sure that what is it a 4,000 plus square foot home that

1455
02:06:56,100 --> 02:07:01,600
once. I wasn't sure of the split. There's an icon of big for that area. I don't think that

1456
02:07:01,600 --> 02:07:10,400
anybody has more than 2500 square foot on. And that in that area. I mean that's 4500 square

1457
02:07:10,400 --> 02:07:12,640
big house. You're rich.

1458
02:07:15,100 --> 02:07:19,280
I love the live there if you've been paired by mortgage. That's it for

1459
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:24,520
me. Thank you. Any other public comment on this item?

1460
02:07:27,370 --> 02:07:27,890
Discussion?

1461
02:07:30,990 --> 02:07:31,490
Can I get a motion?

1462
02:07:31,490 --> 02:07:32,310
I

1463
02:07:37,240 --> 02:07:46,350
assume there's no easy way to create more, bring space, sort of shrinking the overall size of the health.

1464
02:07:49,030 --> 02:07:56,670
And I do understand and appreciate the issues with squeezing as much into a lot as possible.

1465
02:07:57,570 --> 02:08:03,030
And some regards to the crooks and the chronic complainers about the planning board.

1466
02:08:03,030 --> 02:08:04,290
I'd

1467
02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:24,630
be willing to move to table it, but I'm not sure what the owner can do to really respond to our concerns, you know, short of making the house much smaller.

1468
02:08:29,810 --> 02:08:31,490
I don't know that it needs the much smaller.

1469
02:08:32,870 --> 02:08:38,250
I really don't, I mean, I think where I see it busting at the scenes is that you're proposing

1470
02:08:38,250 --> 02:08:41,510
an engineered septic system, which we know is going to require maintenance.

1471
02:08:41,650 --> 02:08:45,050
If you're not going to maintain it properly, it's going to cause a public nuisance.

1472
02:08:45,410 --> 02:08:48,850
Day counting doesn't allow it, usually if they're following the own letter of the code,

1473
02:08:48,950 --> 02:08:51,410
I could show you the OST as manual word, it says it's not allowed.

1474
02:08:52,170 --> 02:08:55,950
But you're doing that because you have so much on that site that you can't do it otherwise.

1475
02:08:55,950 --> 02:09:02,450
I think if you came back to us with a standard-sized septic system, I would encourage you highly to engineer it.

1476
02:09:03,490 --> 02:09:09,490
Do the right-sizing, don't come to us with some performance-based system that we don't think the county is going to accept.

1477
02:09:10,530 --> 02:09:15,570
And then articulate the, the, the, the, the, articulate your design a little bit better in the front.

1478
02:09:16,150 --> 02:09:20,630
Maybe consider getting rid of that wall, I'm not saying how if you keep it open it up a little bit so it's not so solid.

1479
02:09:21,670 --> 02:09:26,190
If you were to profit those kinds of things come back for something, I think you got something

1480
02:09:26,190 --> 02:09:26,770
it's workable.

1481
02:09:26,990 --> 02:09:28,350
I don't dislike your design.

1482
02:09:29,670 --> 02:09:34,410
I just think if we're talking about trying to evaluate the merits of it as a relates to

1483
02:09:34,410 --> 02:09:40,530
section 524, I think it's really because you're trying to squeeze too much on the site.

1484
02:09:41,610 --> 02:09:45,510
I do think you have a tectonic issue with regards to how you get the occult into that garage

1485
02:09:45,510 --> 02:09:51,110
I think you need those decorative stones to do that, but that's not really violating the right.

1486
02:09:51,330 --> 02:09:54,970
That's not really keeping into some respecting the rights of your neighbor.

1487
02:09:55,130 --> 02:09:59,130
We have a setback for driveways for a reason, but that will become a driveway.

1488
02:09:59,150 --> 02:09:59,970
Somebody's going to park there.

1489
02:10:03,180 --> 02:10:29,280
I imagine that you're doing this as a spec home and you don't need to answer the question whether you are not. So I do understand that there's a certain value calculation that goes into that. I'm not trying to screw you up there. But at the same time, we're tasked as gatekeepers to this harmony and that's what makes the shores what it is. I don't think you're far off. But I think you're too far away for us to tell you what to do and make conditions here. I think you're going to need to come back with something.

1490
02:10:59,280 --> 02:11:03,220
I wouldn't have a problem with that, but I've narrated to you about seven or eight different

1491
02:11:03,220 --> 02:11:07,240
items that I think that need attention, and I think that's just simply too much for

1492
02:11:07,240 --> 02:11:08,400
us to add conditions here.

1493
02:11:08,460 --> 02:11:10,400
I think we need to see it.

1494
02:11:10,400 --> 02:11:12,800
I would support a table motion.

1495
02:11:14,120 --> 02:11:15,020
I'll move to table.

1496
02:11:17,420 --> 02:11:17,940
All in favor.

1497
02:11:18,500 --> 02:11:18,940
Say aye.

1498
02:11:19,500 --> 02:11:19,720
Aye.

1499
02:11:35,890 --> 02:11:36,010
All right.

1500
02:11:36,010 --> 02:11:36,710
Moving right along.

1501
02:11:36,710 --> 02:11:46,410
A-B-R-S-P-2625, owner, clata, whoo, but, uh, uh, there's time. Thank you.

1502
02:11:47,530 --> 02:11:51,650
1-1-3, northwest, 1-0-7, streets, planning director.

1503
02:11:51,950 --> 02:11:52,390
Thank you, sir.

1504
02:11:53,010 --> 02:11:55,770
The laws are approximately 9,150 square feet in size.

1505
02:11:55,910 --> 02:11:59,170
It contains a one-story single family home originally built in 1950.

1506
02:12:00,090 --> 02:12:03,430
The existing structure is a living area of 1,600 to 2 square feet.

1507
02:12:03,430 --> 02:12:06,350
configure with two bedrooms, one bathroom, and one car garage.

1508
02:12:06,910 --> 02:12:11,550
The applicant seeks an approximately 275 square foot garage conversion to the existing residents

1509
02:12:11,550 --> 02:12:14,910
to accommodate a new master bedroom suite and kitchen area.

1510
02:12:15,610 --> 02:12:19,470
The proposed overall improvements include an interior reconfiguration of the residents with

1511
02:12:19,470 --> 02:12:22,210
installation of hurricane impact windows and doors.

1512
02:12:22,470 --> 02:12:28,150
The total hybridal area indicates 1,6002 square feet with three bedrooms, two bathrooms

1513
02:12:28,150 --> 02:12:28,890
being provided.

1514
02:12:30,090 --> 02:12:37,050
Staff has measured the, but the R15 zoning district is compatible with the single family

1515
02:12:37,050 --> 02:12:41,010
land use and we've measured the proposed site plan along with the 22 different zoning

1516
02:12:41,010 --> 02:12:41,430
criteria.

1517
02:12:42,170 --> 02:12:46,090
And we found that it generally complies and therefore recommending approval along with all

1518
02:12:46,090 --> 02:12:48,850
of the stipulated conditions as found in your staff member.

1519
02:12:49,190 --> 02:12:49,730
Thank you.

1520
02:12:49,830 --> 02:12:51,530
Thank you.

1521
02:12:51,610 --> 02:12:53,890
Any questions to the planning director?

1522
02:12:53,890 --> 02:12:57,970
Put on sheet SP3 for the right order

1523
02:13:07,120 --> 02:13:09,500
applicant. Would you like to make a presentation?

1524
02:13:09,900 --> 02:13:16,540
Yes, hi everyone. My name's Clara Cooper, beggar sign. Thank you for the opportunity to be here and present our project today.

1525
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:22,700
As you can see, this house we bought it back in January. My husband and I are first home.

1526
02:13:22,780 --> 02:13:28,640
It was well loved by the previous owner and we seek to convert the garage into a bedroom.

1527
02:13:29,420 --> 02:13:36,460
And actually, I wanted to just point out that on our letter of intent on your request, we did

1528
02:13:36,460 --> 02:13:40,720
state that this would be continuing a two-bedroom home because one of the bedrooms will

1529
02:13:40,720 --> 02:13:42,180
be converted to an office.

1530
02:13:42,340 --> 02:13:47,240
We will be getting rid of one of the closets and utilize it to a laundry kind of closet.

1531
02:13:48,240 --> 02:13:53,160
But essentially, we're planning and hoping to get approved the conversion of the garage

1532
02:13:53,160 --> 02:13:54,860
into a master's suite.

1533
02:13:54,860 --> 02:14:02,180
Our kitchen will become the master bedroom and we do have a Florida room in the front of the house, which will be a new kitchen.

1534
02:14:02,900 --> 02:14:03,480
Thank you.

1535
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:05,640
Questions from the board to the applicant?

1536
02:14:11,270 --> 02:14:12,550
Open to the public.

1537
02:14:12,570 --> 02:14:14,550
Public comment on this application.

1538
02:14:18,260 --> 02:14:18,700
Discussion?

1539
02:14:22,640 --> 02:14:29,320
So you're replacing the garage door with concrete block and not having any type of window.

1540
02:14:29,520 --> 02:14:31,720
We're having a window and it will be egress.

1541
02:14:31,720 --> 02:14:35,000
If you've turned to

1542
02:14:37,200 --> 02:14:39,440
P2,

1543
02:14:43,040 --> 02:14:46,180
I don't know what I just described it, it's like a block, like

1544
02:14:46,180 --> 02:14:51,380
a breeze block, I guess, that into the current garage, we're opening that up and putting

1545
02:14:51,380 --> 02:14:54,460
a for a key impact window there. You can see it on the side of the house.

1546
02:15:02,320 --> 02:15:12,280
Because I know any time we're replacing garage door, we'd like to see the window go into the asset review of the real, Mr. Greas.

1547
02:15:13,500 --> 02:15:15,320
Yeah, I've seen it in the rear too.

1548
02:15:17,300 --> 02:15:18,440
So, understand.

1549
02:15:19,040 --> 02:15:27,460
Do a window to the rear of the house, because the garage is below the level of the house, we will be elevating it.

1550
02:15:27,460 --> 02:15:34,760
And we just figured that putting a window and not like an entrance to the back yard, which has the back drive like this.

1551
02:15:35,300 --> 02:15:37,460
More suitable for that.

1552
02:15:44,080 --> 02:15:45,600
Sorry, you have to start.

1553
02:15:46,420 --> 02:15:48,320
You have to go to the podium.

1554
02:15:48,600 --> 02:15:49,820
Just for the rest of the day.

1555
02:15:50,120 --> 02:15:51,440
And this is the architect, fantastic.

1556
02:15:51,700 --> 02:15:54,160
And then you have to take your name and address please.

1557
02:15:55,240 --> 02:15:56,280
Uh, the reason is...

1558
02:15:56,280 --> 02:15:57,320
And your name, your name?

1559
02:15:57,320 --> 02:15:58,400
Oh, then you have a pagano.

1560
02:15:58,400 --> 02:16:02,920
The reason is because the we need to

1561
02:16:02,920 --> 02:16:07,380
high the flooring to the same level of the house.

1562
02:16:07,820 --> 02:16:12,840
In this case the window will be lower for the timing.

1563
02:16:14,980 --> 02:16:19,000
So the window will be in this high if we keep the

1564
02:16:20,040 --> 02:16:25,280
the the timing and it's down the window on the garage door today.

1565
02:16:25,280 --> 02:16:31,600
So for that reason, we change it for the other side of the house for the current.

1566
02:16:34,880 --> 02:16:35,680
Any other question?

1567
02:16:37,220 --> 02:16:43,060
So if you can put the window on the other side, isn't your type beam at the same height?

1568
02:16:43,880 --> 02:16:44,920
No, yes, actually.

1569
02:16:45,240 --> 02:16:47,980
But the tiding is higher on the side.

1570
02:16:48,420 --> 02:16:52,140
Because for the roof, because the roof is like this.

1571
02:16:52,520 --> 02:16:54,840
And there is, I don't remember exactly.

1572
02:16:56,080 --> 02:17:05,160
I don't remember exactly what, but we discussed about it. There is a section here in S.P.6.

1573
02:17:05,600 --> 02:17:05,700
Yeah.

1574
02:17:07,380 --> 02:17:08,820
Yes, S.P.6.

1575
02:17:09,460 --> 02:17:10,520
Section B.B.

1576
02:17:12,100 --> 02:17:12,960
S.P.5.

1577
02:17:16,450 --> 02:17:17,310
S.P.

1578
02:17:17,930 --> 02:17:20,830
Is because the garage door, now I remember.

1579
02:17:21,430 --> 02:17:28,090
The garage door is lower than the typing on the other areas of the house,

1580
02:17:28,090 --> 02:17:32,210
because the garage door usually has 17, from high.

1581
02:17:32,490 --> 02:17:36,270
So in this case, we need to move the typing

1582
02:17:36,270 --> 02:17:38,770
to cut the typing or whatever for that.

1583
02:17:39,010 --> 02:17:43,730
We decided to leave the garage door closed

1584
02:17:43,730 --> 02:17:45,650
and the windows for the other side,

1585
02:17:45,690 --> 02:17:48,370
because we already have an opening the other side.

1586
02:17:48,770 --> 02:17:53,610
And also because we need a wall to put the bath.

1587
02:17:56,700 --> 02:17:58,960
So where the window is on the side,

1588
02:17:58,960 --> 02:18:08,390
where the breeze block is now so same height there is one existing window in this place

1589
02:18:08,390 --> 02:18:18,190
and we just increase the size yeah on the elevations I think that's 5 and

1590
02:18:21,490 --> 02:18:23,770
if you see the

1591
02:18:23,770 --> 02:18:26,390
What is the installation number 4?

1592
02:18:26,510 --> 02:18:27,930
As P5?

1593
02:18:28,130 --> 02:18:29,510
As P5.

1594
02:18:30,610 --> 02:18:30,910
Yes.

1595
02:18:31,450 --> 02:18:32,430
The number 4.

1596
02:18:32,850 --> 02:18:35,990
That was one square window.

1597
02:18:36,390 --> 02:18:38,770
And now we created a larger one.

1598
02:18:39,270 --> 02:18:41,030
I'm the same place.

1599
02:18:43,530 --> 02:18:43,590
Yeah.

1600
02:18:44,490 --> 02:18:45,990
Any other questions for the applicant?

1601
02:18:46,570 --> 02:18:47,630
Just a helpful comment.

1602
02:18:48,930 --> 02:18:49,410
You might not.

1603
02:18:50,010 --> 02:18:51,130
That might not pass.

1604
02:18:51,470 --> 02:18:52,410
Looks like it's two.

1605
02:18:52,410 --> 02:18:59,410
It still is too high for me to address requirements, not for us here, but just for you to look at.

1606
02:19:00,510 --> 02:19:01,270
Put that window.

1607
02:19:02,130 --> 02:19:02,230
Yeah.

1608
02:19:04,410 --> 02:19:06,710
And I already opened this to public comment.

1609
02:19:07,750 --> 02:19:09,490
Public comment on this item.

1610
02:19:09,810 --> 02:19:09,990
Yes.

1611
02:19:10,390 --> 02:19:11,050
Missing right.

1612
02:19:11,170 --> 02:19:12,730
But you got to go to the podium, please.

1613
02:19:17,940 --> 02:19:27,300
You're going to miss the plethora drawing, do you recognize your setbacks on both sides?

1614
02:19:27,820 --> 02:19:29,600
Do they have the time sheet to be placed?

1615
02:19:30,160 --> 02:19:36,040
This is just a grad conversion, so we're not adding them to each other.

1616
02:19:36,640 --> 02:19:38,140
It's an existing house.

1617
02:19:41,530 --> 02:19:49,590
No, but I can't tell you a setback from this one, but I can't tell you a setback from this one,

1618
02:19:52,130 --> 02:19:58,630
You want to go to the PDF page to 13SP0?

1619
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:13,180
All right, thank you. Any other questions? Any, can I have a discussion? Motion? Motion to approve the staff conditions.

1620
02:20:13,180 --> 02:20:15,780
I'll take it.

1621
02:20:17,820 --> 02:20:18,360
One.

1622
02:20:18,560 --> 02:20:19,840
You're going to go and get you on them.

1623
02:20:20,240 --> 02:20:22,100
Catherine, I'm going to go.

1624
02:20:22,100 --> 02:20:22,160
Catherine, I'm going to go.

1625
02:20:22,160 --> 02:20:23,360
Catherine, and I'm going to go.

1626
02:20:23,380 --> 02:20:23,440
Catherine, I'm going to go.

1627
02:20:23,480 --> 02:20:23,940
All in favour?

1628
02:20:24,460 --> 02:20:24,720
All right.

1629
02:20:25,020 --> 02:20:25,620
Motion passes.

1630
02:20:25,940 --> 02:20:26,480
Thank you.

1631
02:20:29,320 --> 02:20:34,060
8 C RSP264574 north east-90.

1632
02:20:34,280 --> 02:20:34,440
6.

1633
02:20:35,340 --> 02:20:37,240
Edward Ford-type.

1634
02:20:37,400 --> 02:20:37,880
Partition.

1635
02:20:42,720 --> 02:20:43,840
RSP26-40.

1636
02:20:43,840 --> 02:20:50,920
the laws of Parkman, 10,687 square feet in size. It contains a one-story single-family home originally built in 1950.

1637
02:20:51,680 --> 02:20:56,540
Existing structure is a living area of 2007, 84 square feet configured three bedrooms,

1638
02:20:56,840 --> 02:21:04,060
three and a half bathrooms and a two-car garage. The applicants seeking a 413 square-foot garage conversion to existing residents

1639
02:21:04,700 --> 02:21:10,220
to accommodate a new bedroom suite. The total habitable area will indicate 2007,

1640
02:21:10,220 --> 02:21:14,300
on an 84 square feet, complete with four bedrooms, four and a half bathrooms.

1641
02:21:16,100 --> 02:21:19,920
Staff is confirmed that the R25 zoning district is compatible with the single family

1642
02:21:19,920 --> 02:21:20,500
land use.

1643
02:21:21,000 --> 02:21:24,880
And we've measured the site plan along with the 22 different zoning district

1644
02:21:24,880 --> 02:21:27,780
that's found in the village zoning code.

1645
02:21:28,220 --> 02:21:31,440
And therefore we're recommending approval along with all of these stipulated conditions

1646
02:21:31,440 --> 02:21:32,800
that's found in the staff memo.

1647
02:21:33,680 --> 02:21:34,080
Thank you, sir.

1648
02:21:34,080 --> 02:21:43,320
Could put on Che-A-402 please. Any questions to the planning director from the board?

1649
02:21:47,360 --> 02:21:51,300
Hearing none with the applicant. Discuss the project with us please.

1650
02:21:52,220 --> 02:21:59,320
Good evening. My name is Ed Fordage. I'm the owner of Sympj Construction with the design builders on this project.

1651
02:22:00,140 --> 02:22:02,680
It's trying to be again, not at all.

1652
02:22:03,380 --> 02:22:05,940
This is a very simple garage conversion.

1653
02:22:06,180 --> 02:22:07,240
We're not touching the roof.

1654
02:22:07,900 --> 02:22:08,940
We're not changing the footprint.

1655
02:22:14,740 --> 02:22:19,920
It's actually the, we're not proposing any changes to the facade.

1656
02:22:20,060 --> 02:22:25,140
This is the back alley, and it's actually a dead end.

1657
02:22:26,020 --> 02:22:28,160
It's a very last house on the alley.

1658
02:22:28,760 --> 02:22:34,160
And the two houses immediately behind it do not have access from the alley.

1659
02:22:34,620 --> 02:22:37,140
So literally nobody can see this is the whole point of action.

1660
02:22:37,460 --> 02:22:38,100
Because there's a dead end.

1661
02:22:38,260 --> 02:22:41,440
It's the last house and the two houses that immediately behind it don't have access.

1662
02:22:42,820 --> 02:22:46,300
So there's no real visible significant change.

1663
02:22:47,140 --> 02:22:49,200
We are closing a window or closing a planter.

1664
02:22:49,440 --> 02:22:50,920
So there's a little landscape buffer.

1665
02:22:52,100 --> 02:22:55,080
It's pretty straightforward, just a garage conversion.

1666
02:22:55,080 --> 02:23:00,700
And there are also proposed windows on the lateral size, obviously, as well.

1667
02:23:00,960 --> 02:23:05,800
There's one from like the proposed bathroom and another one from the this room towards the pool.

1668
02:23:07,080 --> 02:23:07,760
I have a question.

1669
02:23:08,440 --> 02:23:16,620
So on the edge of the garage, you have a planter there, but you have a metal canopy over that.

1670
02:23:16,640 --> 02:23:18,680
That's an existing canopy that's for me to guess.

1671
02:23:19,200 --> 02:23:22,480
So that those plants are not going to do well.

1672
02:23:22,680 --> 02:23:24,380
They get no sun, they get no water.

1673
02:23:27,340 --> 02:23:37,120
And Eddie, I do have a question, they're 18 foot, 18.7 to the alley, and then they have their

1674
02:23:37,120 --> 02:23:44,340
planter, so they can't, I don't know how that works, they can't put a car there, they're

1675
02:23:44,340 --> 02:23:49,880
into the alley, right? Or did I not do that? We could propose removing the planter.

1676
02:23:50,360 --> 02:23:52,400
I know, that's required.

1677
02:23:52,920 --> 02:23:55,560
The planter needs to be there with any garage conditions.

1678
02:23:57,380 --> 02:24:00,580
What you may not have, probably, is that canopy.

1679
02:24:03,430 --> 02:24:06,670
I don't understand how you put a canopy over the planter.

1680
02:24:06,670 --> 02:24:07,610
The planter needs to exist.

1681
02:24:07,610 --> 02:24:09,210
The canopy is existing and we're not supposed to.

1682
02:24:09,390 --> 02:24:10,810
Okay, let me put it a different way.

1683
02:24:11,130 --> 02:24:17,270
I don't know how you enclose a garage, put a planter beneath a covered canopy.

1684
02:24:21,680 --> 02:24:24,340
The planter there is just what kind of plans are going to grow there.

1685
02:24:25,180 --> 02:24:31,390
Well, the point of putting the planner there with the garage conversion is to give that.

1686
02:24:31,920 --> 02:24:37,360
I'm sure we can do the irrigation system there and things that require shape.

1687
02:24:38,820 --> 02:24:43,540
There's also an existing driveway that's within the private property at the front.

1688
02:24:44,180 --> 02:24:49,340
So if you're concerned about parking, they definitely meet those requirements with that.

1689
02:24:49,340 --> 02:24:59,480
I don't know if the intent is to continue using this rear driveway or

1690
02:24:59,480 --> 02:24:59,940
this would be.

1691
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:15,800
I mean this elevation of the car being there, you don't have that kind of space. You're into your alley.

1692
02:25:15,800 --> 02:25:15,800
What

1693
02:25:20,020 --> 02:25:29,160
about wall and the alley there's 18 minus minus the plan to properly I believe it's standard parking

1694
02:25:29,160 --> 02:25:30,800
So like five six

1695
02:25:30,800 --> 02:25:33,420
So yeah, you've got 13

1696
02:25:33,420 --> 02:25:43,870
I mean the car could park parallel that's really an issue whether however they end up using this is I think we're all considering we were front drive way

1697
02:25:43,870 --> 02:25:47,310
If it's either not parked there, I don't think the amount of roof works

1698
02:25:50,120 --> 02:25:51,600
But it's existing

1699
02:25:51,600 --> 02:26:01,100
I hear it's existing, but this is a change, a change of use, a renovation to a garage,

1700
02:26:01,700 --> 02:26:05,640
and the intent is to not make it look like a garage anymore.

1701
02:26:06,520 --> 02:26:08,880
And I would beg to differ.

1702
02:26:09,160 --> 02:26:13,060
I think that having that canopy makes it still look like it's a garage.

1703
02:26:16,110 --> 02:26:20,010
Should I remove the pavers or whatever the parking is that's going to be...

1704
02:26:22,370 --> 02:26:29,010
I know, I hear you don't want to move against me, but I don't think the planters, I don't

1705
02:26:29,010 --> 02:26:32,770
think the planer works with the canopy out there.

1706
02:26:36,200 --> 02:26:39,360
Any other questions from the board to the applicant?

1707
02:26:44,990 --> 02:26:48,810
Hearing none, I'll open it for public comment, any public comment on this application.

1708
02:26:53,010 --> 02:26:55,210
Sing a public comment for their discussion.

1709
02:26:57,880 --> 02:26:58,580
Can I get a motion?

1710
02:26:58,580 --> 02:27:00,960
I mean, I'm overwhelmed

1711
02:27:04,350 --> 02:27:13,490
with the fact that plants can get in the driveway, the county, the alley,

1712
02:27:13,610 --> 02:27:17,730
but nobody can go down to the city.

1713
02:27:19,290 --> 02:27:20,890
No, that's required.

1714
02:27:21,430 --> 02:27:23,650
I know the distance is required.

1715
02:27:23,890 --> 02:27:24,850
No, no, no, no.

1716
02:27:24,850 --> 02:27:25,570
The planter.

1717
02:27:25,870 --> 02:27:28,650
The planter is required for a grant and grant.

1718
02:27:29,170 --> 02:27:29,970
Is that right?

1719
02:27:30,090 --> 02:27:30,710
No, it's not.

1720
02:27:35,500 --> 02:27:37,980
five foot space

1721
02:27:37,980 --> 02:27:41,540
five foot of no pavement

1722
02:27:45,740 --> 02:27:47,700
ok well green space

1723
02:27:49,700 --> 02:27:50,940
i mean it

1724
02:27:52,480 --> 02:27:57,640
i mean it's green space i've ever played or just leave side

1725
02:28:02,340 --> 02:28:03,820
i mean whatever

1726
02:28:03,820 --> 02:28:05,120
i i i think i do

1727
02:28:05,120 --> 02:28:07,320
well this is what you have on your application right now

1728
02:28:07,320 --> 02:28:08,400
That's what's in front of

1729
02:28:11,120 --> 02:28:11,480
us.

1730
02:28:11,560 --> 02:28:12,220
Can I get a motion?

1731
02:28:15,430 --> 02:28:20,090
Not going to approve the application, I submitted it.

1732
02:28:20,090 --> 02:28:20,630
So I have a second.

1733
02:28:25,920 --> 02:28:26,580
I have to get a second.

1734
02:28:30,650 --> 02:28:31,710
Maybe a little bit more discussion.

1735
02:28:32,210 --> 02:28:34,490
The concern is that now if the garage isn't there,

1736
02:28:34,610 --> 02:28:37,110
we're going to park it, wind it parking there, it's going to invade the alley.

1737
02:28:37,810 --> 02:28:37,970
Yeah.

1738
02:28:38,770 --> 02:28:40,030
And the plants are going to die.

1739
02:28:40,730 --> 02:28:42,450
So it won't end up being here.

1740
02:28:42,630 --> 02:28:48,270
So basically what we're saying is that by removing the canopy that's there,

1741
02:28:48,910 --> 02:28:54,030
We give the plants a chance to survive. It greens up the area a little bit. It discourages

1742
02:28:54,030 --> 02:28:58,630
parking there. Even though it won't. I mean, I really don't have an issue with somebody

1743
02:28:58,630 --> 02:29:03,790
parking there. I mean, they want to pull inside ways or whatever. And yes, it's great to have a

1744
02:29:03,790 --> 02:29:18,250
canopy, but to say that it's existing and that's why you're keeping it there. That's what if you

1745
02:29:18,250 --> 02:29:21,810
That's a buffer there, you know?

1746
02:29:22,470 --> 02:29:24,430
I don't believe that that's...

1747
02:29:24,430 --> 02:29:26,070
I hate to hold up his application.

1748
02:29:29,680 --> 02:29:33,620
If we were in the front guard, I would entirely...

1749
02:29:34,480 --> 02:29:35,600
I mean, it's part...

1750
02:29:35,600 --> 02:29:41,540
But is it not part of the requirement to have a green space right next to the ground?

1751
02:29:42,060 --> 02:29:43,120
I mean, that's a whole idea.

1752
02:29:48,510 --> 02:29:49,550
I'm out. You guys decide.

1753
02:29:49,590 --> 02:29:51,910
Right, I have a motion to approve.

1754
02:29:52,650 --> 02:29:54,190
questions of the applicant.

1755
02:29:57,380 --> 02:29:59,880
If we, if we, if we, if we, if you're proud for

1756
02:29:59,880 --> 02:29:59,960
room.

1757
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,980
Moving the canopy, are you A with that, or if you canopy, like, should a homeowner prefer the canopy, so that they would, I mean, unfortunately, they're not here on the occasion. I'm sure they would prefer the canopy. I mean, if it means that I can't close the garage, sacrifice the canopy, definitely wouldn't want that, especially over the question of some landscaping, which isn't even true code issue, because we could just put a saw on it.

1758
02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:34,840
artificial grass. It's kind of a hard thing to tell someone, hey, we're forcing you to

1759
02:30:34,840 --> 02:30:36,020
remove the canopy grass.

1760
02:30:40,020 --> 02:30:44,780
Any, could you put our artificial grass there? Like, oh, sure.

1761
02:30:46,020 --> 02:30:51,360
For, for, that's your green space? Yes. It would comply. As long as it's five feet in

1762
02:30:51,360 --> 02:30:56,990
width, but it isn't a purpose, I guess, I'm, I'm following your argument. So it isn't

1763
02:30:56,990 --> 02:31:05,670
The purpose of getting rid of that, putting that strip in there, is to prevent parking there.

1764
02:31:06,170 --> 02:31:11,110
Is to provide a separation between the parked vehicle and...

1765
02:31:11,110 --> 02:31:11,990
So you can't harm it.

1766
02:31:11,990 --> 02:31:12,590
That's the idea.

1767
02:31:12,850 --> 02:31:18,990
You don't look like you have an old driveway going into a house that's no longer in service, you know, just a kind of...

1768
02:31:19,970 --> 02:31:21,050
...to eliminate the driveway.

1769
02:31:21,470 --> 02:31:22,230
That's the thing.

1770
02:31:22,490 --> 02:31:25,290
Most times we see the elimination of the driveway there.

1771
02:31:28,360 --> 02:31:35,940
which is the five foot, the elimination of driveway, right, but with the canopy, the driveway remains.

1772
02:31:37,520 --> 02:31:40,860
But the canopy, I guess, now I have 40 to share in the base of that.

1773
02:31:41,620 --> 02:31:42,260
Well, no, no.

1774
02:31:43,440 --> 02:31:45,400
Which people want something over there.

1775
02:31:45,420 --> 02:31:49,520
And we're using any garage, so it would be nice if they could sell out a car for it.

1776
02:31:49,860 --> 02:31:50,460
That's the reality.

1777
02:31:51,720 --> 02:31:55,620
If I get rid of the roof, now they have a garage and no car for it.

1778
02:31:55,620 --> 02:32:07,850
I'm going to have a carpool, and you're forcing them to always use a very busy street, which is 96, yeah, I don't have a carpool either, so I mean, I got it.

1779
02:32:09,150 --> 02:32:10,290
I got a motion.

1780
02:32:12,230 --> 02:32:12,930
Do I have a second?

1781
02:32:17,190 --> 02:32:18,450
Is it me totally, is it unesthetic?

1782
02:32:21,940 --> 02:32:32,920
So, I mean, I'll pass the gavel on second, but I guess if this thing doesn't pass, I don't think the rules are you can't come back in front of this board for a year, right?

1783
02:32:34,290 --> 02:32:47,050
If it gets denied, if it gets denied, otherwise we can table it.

1784
02:32:47,090 --> 02:32:50,850
I mean, I'll pass it.

1785
02:32:54,470 --> 02:32:55,370
I don't have a second.

1786
02:32:55,370 --> 02:33:00,610
Right, so if there is a second you will cut the vote will be called on the motion to approve

1787
02:33:00,610 --> 02:33:03,610
You have the motion fails. There's no motion

1788
02:33:03,610 --> 02:33:10,490
There's nothing and it's a motion fail on the second motion fail is most in dies, you know, right

1789
02:33:10,490 --> 02:33:12,490
And then we got to come up with another motion

1790
02:33:14,970 --> 02:33:17,710
Since I got to do something with this application

1791
02:33:18,330 --> 02:33:25,350
You got to table it pass it or fail it so right since there's no second all-make another motion

1792
02:33:25,370 --> 02:33:32,990
them. Okay, that motion, that motion dies, dies for Laco's. I'll make a motion that it's

1793
02:33:32,990 --> 02:33:41,190
approved without the carport, with the proper that the carport is removed. That's if it's

1794
02:33:41,190 --> 02:33:48,750
profit. I kind of heard that that was, yeah. Is it profit by the prisoner?

1795
02:33:50,770 --> 02:33:51,370
So you asked me to

1796
02:33:51,370 --> 02:33:56,670
decision for the homeowner if they're willing to sacrifice that car for me.

1797
02:33:56,770 --> 02:33:59,250
Would you prefer for it to be tabled and you can do ash?

1798
02:33:59,410 --> 02:34:03,790
I would prefer to either Michael or Brandon to step up and say yeah, it's okay to.

1799
02:34:03,890 --> 02:34:07,030
Because it's not aesthetic and there's not really an issue and there's no code issues.

1800
02:34:07,650 --> 02:34:11,290
So I was really hoping that somebody was going to come through because I think he didn't know me but I mean,

1801
02:34:11,530 --> 02:34:12,970
whatever you guys want to do.

1802
02:34:13,730 --> 02:34:15,630
Look, they're preserving the house.

1803
02:34:17,630 --> 02:34:25,270
It's not a violation of any code I'm going to second it all right I got a motion and a second so that motion

1804
02:34:25,970 --> 02:34:33,610
Revived I got a motion in a second and let me take it to the fallen favor say aye aye aye

1805
02:34:36,090 --> 02:34:41,730
All opposed motion passes. Thank you guys have a good day

1806
02:34:41,730 --> 02:34:43,350
How's looks good in the front?

1807
02:34:44,330 --> 02:34:44,630
Was that?

1808
02:34:44,730 --> 02:34:45,910
How's looks good in the front?

1809
02:34:46,810 --> 02:34:47,170
That's nice.

1810
02:34:47,170 --> 02:34:47,970
I kept it out this day.

1811
02:34:49,970 --> 02:34:51,490
Alright of AD.

1812
02:34:53,050 --> 02:34:54,170
RSP 2643.

1813
02:34:54,490 --> 02:34:56,730
91 Northwest 92 Street.

1814
02:34:58,590 --> 02:34:59,970
Owner Nina Pickin.

1815
02:35:01,200 --> 02:35:09,060
Thank you, sir. The law is approximately 7,678 square feet in size. It contains a one-story single-family home

1816
02:35:09,060 --> 02:35:17,280
originally built in 1942. The existing structure is limit area of 1,775 square feet, configured with two bedrooms, two bathrooms, and a one-car garage.

1817
02:35:17,880 --> 02:35:27,900
The applicant seeks an approximately 222 square foot garage conversion and an over all 192 square foot addition to the existing one-story residence.

1818
02:35:28,960 --> 02:35:32,240
In doing so, they would accommodate a new bedroom suite area.

1819
02:35:32,540 --> 02:35:37,120
The total habitable area would indicate 1,000 foreign and 79 square feet, complete with

1820
02:35:37,120 --> 02:35:40,840
two bedrooms, two bathrooms, a mud room, and then area being provided.

1821
02:35:42,160 --> 02:35:46,900
The R17.5 zoning district is compatible with the single family future land use, and staff

1822
02:35:46,900 --> 02:35:52,400
has measured the proposed site plan along with the 22 different zoning criteria, and therefore

1823
02:35:52,400 --> 02:35:56,040
we're recommending approval along with all of the stipulated conditions this family

1824
02:35:56,040 --> 02:35:58,040
your report. Thank you.

1825
02:36:00,840 --> 02:36:03,860
Good. And she A-322.

1826
02:36:09,480 --> 02:36:12,720
Any questions from the board to the planning director?

1827
02:36:16,220 --> 02:36:18,340
The applicant would like to discuss the project with.

1828
02:36:19,520 --> 02:36:24,280
Sure. So, one single car garage conversion, pretty simple.

1829
02:36:24,920 --> 02:36:28,400
And our addition is less than 400 square feet on either side.

1830
02:36:28,640 --> 02:36:31,960
We're replacing the roof structure, which is simplifies the addition.

1831
02:36:33,080 --> 02:36:37,100
But, honestly, if we didn't have garage converges coming to

1832
02:36:42,540 --> 02:36:45,580
Yoke, the remote is not responding.

1833
02:37:03,610 --> 02:37:03,950
Thank you.

1834
02:37:04,950 --> 02:37:06,770
8-3.2.

1835
02:37:14,560 --> 02:37:15,440
One more.

1836
02:37:20,900 --> 02:37:22,380
Just to kind of show this.

1837
02:37:23,520 --> 02:37:23,660
All right.

1838
02:37:23,900 --> 02:37:24,640
Sorry about that.

1839
02:37:24,860 --> 02:37:25,480
I didn't say my name.

1840
02:37:25,520 --> 02:37:27,000
Victor Bruce, 370 or no.

1841
02:37:27,000 --> 02:37:28,060
He's 100 in first street.

1842
02:37:28,880 --> 02:37:30,480
So, single car garage conversion.

1843
02:37:31,660 --> 02:37:35,160
And then adding to the north on the south of the house,

1844
02:37:35,160 --> 02:37:41,680
Putting a new roof just simplifies the action, but this is one of those projects. Once you guys take a ride to conversions out

1845
02:37:41,680 --> 02:37:45,780
We're not exceeding for on the square feet. We wouldn't be here to talk about this project

1846
02:37:45,780 --> 02:37:49,160
It's a very simple very simple addition for a

1847
02:37:49,160 --> 02:37:49,940
single

1848
02:37:49,940 --> 02:37:50,840
Christmas

1849
02:37:53,640 --> 02:37:56,440
Questions from the board to the applicant. I

1850
02:38:00,850 --> 02:38:01,570
got a question

1851
02:38:02,350 --> 02:38:09,290
Speaking of landscape buffer tell us about your your native landscape buffer in front of the

1852
02:38:09,290 --> 02:38:20,770
existing work taking the garage door out, in this case, on your A3, your plan view, you have a native landscape buffer there.

1853
02:38:21,070 --> 02:38:21,530
Yeah, buy feet.

1854
02:38:21,970 --> 02:38:25,970
I don't agree with artificial turf.

1855
02:38:26,950 --> 02:38:27,790
That's not perfect.

1856
02:38:29,250 --> 02:38:30,190
It's not perfect.

1857
02:38:31,730 --> 02:38:32,330
It's not perfect.

1858
02:38:32,330 --> 02:38:32,590
It's not.

1859
02:38:32,730 --> 02:38:32,790
It's not.

1860
02:38:32,790 --> 02:38:32,910
It's not.

1861
02:38:33,210 --> 02:38:33,530
It's not.

1862
02:38:33,530 --> 02:38:33,930
It's not perfect.

1863
02:38:38,130 --> 02:38:46,330
Yeah, I'm putting native landscape in, it's a, the client also likes it, she likes landscaping a lot.

1864
02:38:46,470 --> 02:38:47,710
We're having to do the same thing in the past.

1865
02:38:48,110 --> 02:38:53,550
That's not a planner box or anything that's just a scriptur with native landscape.

1866
02:38:53,810 --> 02:38:59,430
We're removing the hard-skate and we're allowing for growth of nature in that gap.

1867
02:38:59,430 --> 02:39:05,590
It seems closer because this house is built way back and the setbacks were different back then.

1868
02:39:06,070 --> 02:39:09,690
So we're doing as much as we can on that side. We're not building beyond the setbacks.

1869
02:39:09,850 --> 02:39:13,490
But we're cutting the five feet out. There's no issue there.

1870
02:39:14,490 --> 02:39:18,950
How much space do you have between the green space and the sidewalk?

1871
02:39:19,990 --> 02:39:23,630
Six-seven. Because that house was built like I was saying.

1872
02:39:24,190 --> 02:39:27,050
That house had a garage built closer than it should have.

1873
02:39:27,050 --> 02:39:36,450
Where are they going to park in the front we have a lot of things we have 16 feet with 18 and that two cars fit there

1874
02:39:49,520 --> 02:39:58,870
Any questions from the board to the applicant we're good open the public comment public comment on this item

1875
02:40:00,660 --> 02:40:05,600
No public comment, discussion. Move to approve of subject of staff conditions.

1876
02:40:06,300 --> 02:40:10,340
Second. I got a second here. All in favor say aye.

1877
02:40:10,580 --> 02:40:11,940
Time, motion passed.

1878
02:40:12,040 --> 02:40:13,860
Regulation passed. Thank you.

1879
02:40:16,320 --> 02:40:17,720
All right. I guess you're still up.

1880
02:40:18,720 --> 02:40:20,140
Item A. E.

1881
02:40:21,600 --> 02:40:23,260
R. S. P. 2644.

1882
02:40:24,180 --> 02:40:26,220
Agents Victor Bruce 418.

1883
02:40:26,320 --> 02:40:27,760
North East 105th Street.

1884
02:40:28,080 --> 02:40:28,640
Planning Director.

1885
02:40:28,960 --> 02:40:29,340
Thank you, sir.

1886
02:40:30,060 --> 02:40:35,560
The loss approximately 16,500 square feet in size contains a two-storey single-family home

1887
02:40:35,560 --> 02:40:42,080
rigid bill in 1956, the existing two-storey structure has an actual area of 8,714 square

1888
02:40:42,080 --> 02:40:45,740
feet, configured with seven-bedroom, seven bathrooms and a three-car garage.

1889
02:40:46,340 --> 02:40:49,980
The applicant seeks to demolish the single-family structure while proposing the construction

1890
02:40:49,980 --> 02:40:59,320
of a new two-storey single-family dwelling comprised of approximately 7,080 square feet in

1891
02:40:59,320 --> 02:41:05,180
bathrooms, sitting areas, great room, three-car car port, and an outdoor terrace area.

1892
02:41:06,340 --> 02:41:13,400
Staff has reviewed the existing future land use and zoning criteria and determined that

1893
02:41:13,400 --> 02:41:18,280
the land use is government and institutions with states, this land use designation is intended

1894
02:41:18,280 --> 02:41:22,840
to accommodate a full range of community support facilities including governmental buildings,

1895
02:41:22,840 --> 02:41:31,400
facilities, public utility installations, parking, public and private educational, medical,

1896
02:41:32,080 --> 02:41:39,360
religious, civic, cultural, and similar institutions. As such, we conducted a little bit of research

1897
02:41:39,360 --> 02:41:48,320
to understand how this came to be. Based on our research, we found that all of the properties

1898
02:41:48,320 --> 02:41:53,840
in that subdivision actually have a single family of future land use and this is the only property

1899
02:41:53,840 --> 02:42:00,800
that has this institutional. So what we believe is that it was done intentionally in our and I'll read

1900
02:42:00,800 --> 02:42:07,620
some of that research. So official Mami-Dade County plant records by about 56 page 15 identified

1901
02:42:07,620 --> 02:42:12,640
the subject property as comprising of lots six and seven as part of the mirror lake subdivision.

1902
02:42:13,200 --> 02:42:17,320
The property's government and the institutions future land use designation is not generally

1903
02:42:17,320 --> 02:42:21,980
intended to accommodate conventional residential development, however, that designation is intended

1904
02:42:21,980 --> 02:42:26,980
to support a broad range of public and community-surfing facilities, which include religious

1905
02:42:26,980 --> 02:42:32,080
and institutional uses. The subject property is owned by a local religious organization

1906
02:42:32,080 --> 02:42:37,200
and is located in close proximity to an established place of worship. The proposed single-family

1907
02:42:37,200 --> 02:42:42,140
residents is intended to provide housing for priests and other clergy affiliated with the

1908
02:42:42,140 --> 02:42:47,240
adjacent religious institution. As such, the proposed residential use is accessory and directly

1909
02:42:47,240 --> 02:42:53,000
supportive of the principle religious use and is consistent with the community serving purpose

1910
02:42:53,000 --> 02:43:01,080
of the government and institutions future land use designation. As such staff reviewed the

1911
02:43:01,080 --> 02:43:07,020
proposed site plan along with the different zoning criteria found within the zoning code and we found

1912
02:43:07,020 --> 02:43:11,720
that it generally complies and we're recommending approval along with these stipulated conditions as

1913
02:43:11,720 --> 02:43:16,900
your report. Thank you. Can you put a dash 105 on the board?

1914
02:43:34,710 --> 02:43:35,950
Just kind of give us an idea.

1915
02:43:37,870 --> 02:43:39,710
This is the building in front of the church.

1916
02:43:40,170 --> 02:43:40,910
Yeah, but it's a direct church.

1917
02:43:41,110 --> 02:43:42,430
I like the church.

1918
02:43:42,530 --> 02:43:43,210
I like the church.

1919
02:43:43,430 --> 02:43:43,590
I like the church.

1920
02:43:44,190 --> 02:43:48,210
The priest lives and will continue to live there.

1921
02:43:53,270 --> 02:44:00,750
It's probably a single family, it's probably a single family, it's probably a single family.

1922
02:44:07,520 --> 02:44:08,060
You see what I mean?

1923
02:44:08,180 --> 02:44:08,880
I can say it.

1924
02:44:08,960 --> 02:44:12,500
So it's a single family, but the zoning had some conditions.

1925
02:44:13,700 --> 02:44:16,180
Institution, because it's affiliated with the church.

1926
02:44:16,860 --> 02:44:18,060
But it's in the art district.

1927
02:44:19,000 --> 02:44:23,200
Even though, essentially, its use is not really our district use.

1928
02:44:23,280 --> 02:44:24,940
It's not a single family use.

1929
02:44:25,160 --> 02:44:26,800
I mean, you know, right?

1930
02:44:26,980 --> 02:44:29,240
I mean, multiple, multiple pre-slib there.

1931
02:44:29,240 --> 02:44:31,640
more like a dormitory use.

1932
02:44:31,640 --> 02:44:34,140
The same as the zone is the same as the map.

1933
02:44:36,710 --> 02:44:38,070
I've got a general question.

1934
02:44:42,230 --> 02:44:44,230
Why are we demolishing the existing structure

1935
02:44:44,230 --> 02:44:45,470
to build a substantially,

1936
02:44:46,890 --> 02:44:49,370
basically the similarly sized structure

1937
02:44:49,370 --> 02:44:50,850
to serve the same purpose?

1938
02:44:51,950 --> 02:44:53,030
The existing structure,

1939
02:44:53,350 --> 02:44:55,070
and we visited that first.

1940
02:44:55,570 --> 02:44:57,610
The existing structure is

1941
02:44:58,650 --> 02:44:59,630
peculiarly built.

1942
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:06,880
In relationship to the great and the slope that happens there. If you notice on when they show the survey,

1943
02:45:07,320 --> 02:45:14,200
these properties are on like, these are any property that I've ever seen where they own a piece of pile of the lake.

1944
02:45:15,800 --> 02:45:21,680
There's square footage in essence is bigger, but there's a slope from street down to the lake.

1945
02:45:21,680 --> 02:45:28,740
What you see when you see the house, you see in the uppermost level, it's got levels below, which

1946
02:45:28,740 --> 02:45:32,340
compasses things because it's almost like underground spaces.

1947
02:45:33,240 --> 02:45:40,120
It also has a situation being underground, it needs to go uphill with the septic system drainage.

1948
02:45:41,100 --> 02:45:47,340
They have problems with water intrusion, the building itself is in horrible shape.

1949
02:45:48,200 --> 02:45:55,320
Some of the things that have been happening to the building because of space demands that they have,

1950
02:45:55,660 --> 02:45:57,740
end up having spaces that are not interconnected.

1951
02:45:58,400 --> 02:46:05,320
So there's a variety of reasons, and beyond that, there's stairs, and we want to introduce

1952
02:46:05,320 --> 02:46:06,540
vertical circulations.

1953
02:46:06,980 --> 02:46:11,340
There's four reasons that in the letter of intent, they're listed, but it's mostly because

1954
02:46:11,340 --> 02:46:13,340
the building cannot be rehabbed.

1955
02:46:13,340 --> 02:46:23,040
It's too, as I said, it's like a basement type of a building and we're doing basically the opposite, we're bringing it up and trying to get it out of there.

1956
02:46:23,760 --> 02:46:32,900
So septic works, they have vertical circulation and they have a better connected and better quality of life for the residents.

1957
02:46:35,360 --> 02:46:39,520
I have a question, the wall that's on the sidewalk there, how tall is that?

1958
02:46:40,720 --> 02:46:41,960
That should be three-six.

1959
02:46:42,660 --> 02:46:44,060
Yeah, it looks a lot higher.

1960
02:46:44,060 --> 02:46:51,480
in that. In the elevation you'll see it when we have a dementia. Okay, and is that the reason for that is because of your septic?

1961
02:46:52,940 --> 02:46:59,500
The reason for that is for racing grade, so that when you reach the level that we put the first main level,

1962
02:46:59,880 --> 02:47:06,660
it doesn't look so detached from the cycle. The septic doesn't need it, but it will benefit from it.

1963
02:47:06,920 --> 02:47:11,760
Because I don't need to do a mount system here at all, but we're going to have the septic system race,

1964
02:47:11,760 --> 02:47:19,600
the wall will contain that grade. It's just quite a barrier from that sidewalk. You know, walking

1965
02:47:19,600 --> 02:47:22,720
down that sidewalk, you've got one entrance.

1966
02:47:25,590 --> 02:47:27,450
We should have two entrances because there's going to

1967
02:47:27,450 --> 02:47:33,970
be one main one and there's going to be a secondary entrance. Look at the side plan. Yeah, which

1968
02:47:33,970 --> 02:47:35,870
Maybe it's a service.

1969
02:47:36,810 --> 02:47:38,810
Well, not so much the priest said.

1970
02:47:38,990 --> 02:47:42,110
How much does the great drop going?

1971
02:47:42,490 --> 02:47:45,630
About six to seven feet.

1972
02:47:45,730 --> 02:47:47,050
From east to west?

1973
02:47:47,250 --> 02:47:48,170
From north to time.

1974
02:47:48,350 --> 02:47:49,490
From east to west.

1975
02:47:49,650 --> 02:47:50,970
Not some of us.

1976
02:47:51,070 --> 02:47:52,670
East to west is the street.

1977
02:47:53,210 --> 02:47:54,770
Nor south would be towards the lake.

1978
02:47:55,150 --> 02:47:56,330
So there's about six quarters.

1979
02:47:56,330 --> 02:47:59,650
Drawings would look like it to climb square that way too.

1980
02:48:00,970 --> 02:48:01,150
No.

1981
02:48:02,470 --> 02:48:07,330
No, if you, in the survey you might see it, but there's no, the street doesn't have that much of a slope.

1982
02:48:07,750 --> 02:48:16,870
If there is, maybe a foot between Western and East, but the changing elevation will be from the front to the back.

1983
02:48:23,190 --> 02:48:24,590
The wall might seem like that.

1984
02:48:26,530 --> 02:48:30,990
Miss Salo, but there's going to be landscaping, and that's part of a landscaping plant.

1985
02:48:31,030 --> 02:48:35,510
There's going to be vegetation on the edge of it, so it's not just going to be the wall that's going to be vegetation all around.

1986
02:48:35,510 --> 02:48:37,770
Right, but that wall is right on the sidewalk.

1987
02:48:38,430 --> 02:48:40,970
Yeah, they have every right to do.

1988
02:48:44,240 --> 02:48:46,600
But we'd like to raise the grade, and to raise the grade,

1989
02:48:46,760 --> 02:48:48,880
I have to put a wall that way, the difference between the blocks.

1990
02:48:48,880 --> 02:48:51,260
I guess I should have asked that.

1991
02:48:52,060 --> 02:48:53,700
Why, why raising the grade?

1992
02:48:53,940 --> 02:48:58,900
And you're saying that it doesn't have to do with the septic so much.

1993
02:48:58,900 --> 02:49:04,240
It has to do with how you've designed your flow or your levels.

1994
02:49:04,300 --> 02:49:04,640
Yes.

1995
02:49:04,640 --> 02:49:05,520
Going back.

1996
02:49:06,660 --> 02:49:11,520
At this location, septic systems don't need to be outpired from the water table.

1997
02:49:12,640 --> 02:49:16,780
Which is literally, if you see the change in elevation, the water is backed down by the lake.

1998
02:49:17,440 --> 02:49:21,560
So, up by the street where the church is, there should be no issues with septic.

1999
02:49:22,340 --> 02:49:26,560
What would be the implications of reducing the grape such that that wall was required?

2000
02:49:28,790 --> 02:49:31,010
Well, it's the effect.

2001
02:49:31,510 --> 02:49:34,910
By now, the house that's there is slightly elevated anyway.

2002
02:49:34,910 --> 02:49:37,230
So they have some steps, but they just have amount.

2003
02:49:38,090 --> 02:49:40,290
If I present that amount to the building official,

2004
02:49:40,650 --> 02:49:42,510
he's going to want something to hold the water

2005
02:49:42,510 --> 02:49:43,470
from going to the cycle.

2006
02:49:44,330 --> 02:49:47,210
So if I were to correct the situation that they have right now,

2007
02:49:47,590 --> 02:49:49,250
the building official will ask for a walk.

2008
02:49:50,510 --> 02:49:52,770
So I'm putting a walk, so I prevent that situation

2009
02:49:52,770 --> 02:49:55,630
because I'm trying to keep the idea of that great being

2010
02:49:55,630 --> 02:49:56,250
a little bit higher.

2011
02:49:56,990 --> 02:49:59,010
If I just have a mound like that,

2012
02:49:59,210 --> 02:49:59,750
it's not like that, it's not like that.

2013
02:49:59,750 --> 02:49:59,970
Oh, it's not...

2014
02:50:00,850 --> 02:50:13,350
No, I understand that. I just think three feet is kind of high for that. I mean, it's a heavy heavily traveled sidewalk and also coming back and forth from the front.

2015
02:50:13,850 --> 02:50:21,570
They could be lowered, but I still need a retaining wall to hold the great. So, at three six, which is our max, we can break it down to two eight.

2016
02:50:21,830 --> 02:50:23,850
You're a three foot now, according to your elevation.

2017
02:50:23,850 --> 02:50:34,050
So maybe the reason why I started asking that question is because the adjacent properties don't have that and I'm worried that by bringing the elevation out

2018
02:50:34,050 --> 02:50:41,490
I know you say there's a mountain there already and you know, I don't I don't I don't have enough actual data to contest that because it's been a little while

2019
02:50:41,490 --> 02:50:48,530
It's been passed this particular site. You see the survey the survey will show elevations. Okay, but but the adjacent properties don't have it

2020
02:50:48,530 --> 02:50:55,690
And my worry is, we've had a lot of issues with drainage that permeates the adjacent properties

2021
02:50:55,690 --> 02:50:58,370
and I'm just worried that maybe that's going to happen here.

2022
02:50:58,570 --> 02:51:01,250
Maybe I'm not understanding how you're raising the grade either.

2023
02:51:01,690 --> 02:51:05,810
Well, you're only raised in front there and you're dropping it down before you get to the

2024
02:51:05,810 --> 02:51:06,190
property line.

2025
02:51:06,390 --> 02:51:10,710
If the wall is right along the property line, which is the sidewalk, you know, that's not the

2026
02:51:10,710 --> 02:51:11,170
concern I have.

2027
02:51:11,310 --> 02:51:11,810
It's not a concern.

2028
02:51:11,810 --> 02:51:12,350
It's not a concern.

2029
02:51:12,570 --> 02:51:13,270
It's not a concern.

2030
02:51:13,270 --> 02:51:19,070
Please tell me Jason about me, but if you, let's see it, she didn't want to want to.

2031
02:51:20,850 --> 02:51:26,870
The wall only contains itself at the footrail of the house, so we can see it down as before

2032
02:51:26,870 --> 02:51:29,410
you get to the property like this, let's look at it, see what we want to do.

2033
02:51:29,470 --> 02:51:34,990
Yeah, he's going to, it's going to, the wall ends at the house, there's grass to the right

2034
02:51:34,990 --> 02:51:39,130
and there's grass to the left, the wall doesn't meet the neighbors, the wall stops

2035
02:51:39,130 --> 02:51:39,590
showed him.

2036
02:51:39,730 --> 02:51:40,630
How far?

2037
02:51:40,630 --> 02:51:47,590
So it looks like the driveway stops at the driveway on the on on the west side and it stops at the

2038
02:51:47,590 --> 02:51:49,770
But it's essentially an existing tree on the right side

2039
02:51:50,390 --> 02:51:56,730
If you look at 401, you'll see what the wall is and the wall once you see the wall where it ends in our relationship

2040
02:51:56,730 --> 02:52:01,610
Then you can look at the cyclone and see because the wall doesn't extend past

2041
02:52:01,610 --> 02:52:06,150
The house on the east side of the west side and that's the area that's raised

2042
02:52:07,670 --> 02:52:08,930
I think I see that.

2043
02:52:09,350 --> 02:52:10,090
It's container.

2044
02:52:11,330 --> 02:52:15,150
It doesn't extend to the west property line or the east property line.

2045
02:52:21,430 --> 02:52:22,990
Yes, in fact, it is three feet.

2046
02:52:24,170 --> 02:52:27,590
The rendering is showing it higher than it is.

2047
02:52:28,330 --> 02:52:31,310
And for one, you can see it and it's really not that.

2048
02:52:31,950 --> 02:52:32,790
Once it's landscape.

2049
02:52:36,530 --> 02:52:41,310
So on this property, does everything kind of drain towards the back, towards the lake, I guess?

2050
02:52:41,310 --> 02:53:11,210
No, it can't. It can't actually. I mean, like how does the driveway drain? Well, the driveway is going to have catchbacence and we're going to collect the water and have storm drains in the property because water cannot go from the property into the dump into the way. So the houses that are around it do that now. That was all system. We're retaining the water inside the property because we have. So you have catchbacence. Catched waste, storm drains. We have a rich train or some sort of percolation or something.

2051
02:53:11,210 --> 02:53:13,930
There will be gutters of the roof.

2052
02:53:14,310 --> 02:53:17,250
We'll direct water to right places without having it.

2053
02:53:17,310 --> 02:53:19,850
Because last thing we want to have is a flooded driveway.

2054
02:53:20,290 --> 02:53:23,330
So when they come in and get out of the car, the shoes get wet, right?

2055
02:53:23,330 --> 02:53:24,570
So we have catchbases.

2056
02:53:25,090 --> 02:53:27,810
There's a retention area on the east side.

2057
02:53:27,970 --> 02:53:31,350
The elevators will take it to the east side in that area.

2058
02:53:32,070 --> 02:53:32,850
It'll be a combination.

2059
02:53:33,410 --> 02:53:35,150
We can do storm drains on their ground.

2060
02:53:35,710 --> 02:53:39,770
We'll do retention punt because a 30% of 1800s

2061
02:53:41,590 --> 02:53:44,650
We have a lot of green, so we have a large area,

2062
02:53:45,010 --> 02:53:46,870
sweet one, a one, a one, a one, a five, may please.

2063
02:53:47,310 --> 02:53:49,930
Retention area on the east side is a large area that we're going to have there.

2064
02:53:50,090 --> 02:53:52,470
We're going to have another retention area on the south side.

2065
02:53:52,690 --> 02:53:57,990
Preventing it as I get soil, but we will have storm drains as well.

2066
02:53:58,270 --> 02:54:04,090
For the driveway, you see on the right, we're going down to feed the right.

2067
02:54:04,350 --> 02:54:07,570
That's probably mostly for the roof, whatever drains off the roof, right?

2068
02:54:07,570 --> 02:54:14,030
Yeah, that's going to be from the roof and then you see one of the bus the back is probably for the driveway there

2069
02:54:14,030 --> 02:54:19,190
Yeah, and we'll have a we'll have a strong drain underneath the the driveway for sure

2070
02:54:19,190 --> 02:54:25,310
Civil engineering is going to be involved, but we have a surplus of green area to be able to retain the water

2071
02:54:25,310 --> 02:54:28,310
You can see it on the right side and on the south side

2072
02:54:29,680 --> 02:54:35,240
We're going to create a nice soil. That's all going to be saw. So the water's going to be able to

2073
02:54:35,880 --> 02:54:37,660
collect itself and then just permit

2074
02:54:38,980 --> 02:54:40,480
Well, partly, not partly.

2075
02:54:43,630 --> 02:54:45,070
Any other questions for the applicant?

2076
02:54:47,650 --> 02:54:47,990
Yes.

2077
02:54:51,510 --> 02:54:58,130
So Victor, it's more of a question on how the property is used, so maybe I can put

2078
02:54:58,130 --> 02:54:59,370
Father George on the spot.

2079
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:13,880
And come up and kind of walk us through the use of the building, you know, how many of the clergy would reside there, things of that nature, if you can just kind of walk us through this Father George.

2080
02:55:15,460 --> 02:55:17,080
I didn't know you were going to put me on this board.

2081
02:55:18,160 --> 02:55:25,160
You have followed George, I decide that the same property for not his 4-1-8 and I serve

2082
02:55:25,160 --> 02:55:31,660
San Jose, my Catholic parish and the school and you know I can start with Brandon's initial

2083
02:55:31,660 --> 02:55:38,680
question about why are we tearing that house down is because every time mirror lake floods I'm

2084
02:55:38,680 --> 02:55:43,860
almost like inside my house is almost like mirror lake. You know I have water 2-3 feet of water

2085
02:55:43,860 --> 02:55:50,440
inside. And every garage or inside the house, as I said, he's almost looks like a

2086
02:55:50,440 --> 02:55:56,820
basement, you know. So everything underneath floods. And therefore, and you know,

2087
02:55:56,880 --> 02:55:59,980
starts with the garage and the chapel, we have a huge chapel there for our private

2088
02:55:59,980 --> 02:56:06,020
prayer and so on. So it starts there and gets into the entire house. And then, you

2089
02:56:06,660 --> 02:56:11,700
know, we have to, every time there is a flood, we have to invest so much money and

2090
02:56:11,700 --> 02:56:18,000
realize that in one year it flooded three times, in one year, you know. And then in addition

2091
02:56:18,000 --> 02:56:22,560
to that there is a septic tank inside the house, I don't know who decided it, how it was

2092
02:56:22,560 --> 02:56:28,840
put it in. And then we pumped that to the exterior septic tank, you know, everything that

2093
02:56:28,840 --> 02:56:32,660
is in sense. So, as soon as you walk into the front of the house, it almost melts, it

2094
02:56:32,660 --> 02:56:37,780
melts like a septic, right, in front of the house. So, those are the reasons why, you know,

2095
02:56:37,780 --> 02:56:45,740
have that problem there. I know. And then with more than muskiness and everything else is making

2096
02:56:45,740 --> 02:56:52,140
us all sick. And you know, that is the reason we need that house. And then to come back to your

2097
02:56:52,140 --> 02:56:57,320
question, Michael, there used to be about five priests at one time, reciting there. There is

2098
02:56:57,320 --> 02:57:02,100
we have about three priests in the parish. There are also resident priests who used to serve

2099
02:57:02,100 --> 02:57:10,120
the pastoral center on, you know, 94-01, this game, but what, which is today's office, currently

2100
02:57:10,120 --> 02:57:16,920
we are two, I mean, once I got there, I'm there 10 years now. So, we were, at one point,

2101
02:57:17,080 --> 02:57:22,020
we were four priests there. So, there are two priests assigned to the Paris, there may be

2102
02:57:22,020 --> 02:57:26,240
a resident priest or a student priest or someone who works in the pastoral center in

2103
02:57:26,240 --> 02:57:29,820
the time, you know, or whatever else. So, there could be, you know, it depends on the

2104
02:57:29,820 --> 02:57:37,620
Jewish army of science, you know the priest. So it could be two, three, four priests. That would be that you said you're the house.

2105
02:57:40,200 --> 02:57:46,140
So the use of the house is strictly for the parish and the clergy. Absolutely.

2106
02:57:46,860 --> 02:57:54,220
Okay. So there would never be a plan where this property would be sold and be used for something else.

2107
02:57:54,700 --> 02:58:01,860
Paris was started in 1948. This house was built in 1956. It is still under the ownership of the archbishop.

2108
02:58:02,520 --> 02:58:06,760
I don't think the Paris is going anywhere and the priest do need a restaurant.

2109
02:58:07,200 --> 02:58:10,600
It is not going to be a play forward. It is not going to be sold anywhere.

2110
02:58:11,140 --> 02:58:15,800
You know, God forbid unless we have to close on the church and everything else that we know.

2111
02:58:16,060 --> 02:58:17,360
I hope that is not the case.

2112
02:58:17,360 --> 02:58:17,980
There

2113
02:58:21,370 --> 02:58:23,110
was actually did the design

2114
02:58:27,650 --> 02:58:29,750
Are we actually

2115
02:58:32,970 --> 02:58:34,550
There's names on the plan

2116
02:58:36,330 --> 02:58:38,010
Now one thing we wanted to make

2117
02:58:40,290 --> 02:58:41,810
I mean the

2118
02:58:42,530 --> 02:58:44,450
Just the design

2119
02:58:44,450 --> 02:58:45,810
I thought

2120
02:58:48,910 --> 02:58:50,510
we were going to the else

2121
02:58:50,510 --> 02:58:54,390
for a tour, I mean, it just...

2122
02:58:54,390 --> 02:58:57,010
In terms of what we thought we thought we were going to like it,

2123
02:58:57,190 --> 02:58:59,090
but it's all kind of, it's all kind of, it's all kind of stuff.

2124
02:58:59,170 --> 02:59:02,810
But I mean, it's not offensive, there's nothing wrong with you,

2125
02:59:03,030 --> 02:59:06,290
but it's relatively a typical.

2126
02:59:08,010 --> 02:59:08,970
Of houses.

2127
02:59:09,310 --> 02:59:12,750
Okay, it's actually the third house I have to style like that.

2128
02:59:13,250 --> 02:59:15,390
Coming into the village, we did one at one,

2129
02:59:15,390 --> 02:59:16,930
one in the second, one of these four.

2130
02:59:17,150 --> 02:59:19,630
There's another one at ninety-first, very similar style.

2131
02:59:19,630 --> 02:59:22,710
So it's not like not breaking up.

2132
02:59:23,050 --> 02:59:28,190
Okay, I mean, I just, I assume you did, but, you know, then her task.

2133
02:59:29,470 --> 02:59:34,930
And we wanted to keep, you know, keeping mind the architecture of the village and neighborhood and so on.

2134
02:59:34,930 --> 02:59:39,190
And that's where you kept it, you know, smaller footprint than it's the current existing house.

2135
02:59:39,650 --> 02:59:42,990
And also that it matches with everything else in the neighborhood.

2136
02:59:43,990 --> 02:59:45,770
Why, why do you go in the middle roof?

2137
02:59:51,790 --> 02:59:55,730
Oh, for that, for the slope. Why did you go such a steep slope?

2138
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:02,320
Well, I'm just following up on my colleague.

2139
03:00:04,840 --> 03:00:12,220
I'm listening to all these boards and I'm learning as I go along and this street is a one-story street.

2140
03:00:12,580 --> 03:00:23,500
And this house is a two-story house. So we are trying to impact as least as we can, a volume that will read as floor plan as well, two-story.

2141
03:00:23,500 --> 03:00:34,640
So, there's a drawing now that you see the context, but we're trying to keep it as a single story with a roof and at the steepness of the roof allows us to do an attic space that's our second floor.

2142
03:00:35,080 --> 03:00:41,440
So, we're hiding, you see there, we're hiding the second floor in the attic. It's just a 105.

2143
03:00:41,940 --> 03:00:51,740
It's a very common way, and I only know this, my daughter went to the northeast, we've been traveling for four years up there, and there's a lot of houses that use that.

2144
03:00:51,740 --> 03:01:02,040
It's a single story, but the second floor is hidden in the attic, and it's a full bedroom, and it's like you can see it on that middle right there, it's how much room you got in the attic there.

2145
03:01:02,560 --> 03:01:06,240
You can see there's a couple of sections that show you where it is.

2146
03:01:06,460 --> 03:01:12,040
So you're trying to keep the one floor, one story look with some attic.

2147
03:01:12,540 --> 03:01:21,560
Yeah, the second floor is basically in the attic, and then we're also introducing, but we're very excited about these dormers that will allow for these

2148
03:01:21,560 --> 03:01:28,400
Rones to have windows and to be able to look out with a full height clearance as you can see the figures that we put there

2149
03:01:28,400 --> 03:01:31,480
That way you can walk out and go up to the window

2150
03:01:36,600 --> 03:01:37,560
answers my question

2151
03:01:38,580 --> 03:01:44,240
Any other questions just the statement the design wise if it weren't

2152
03:01:45,640 --> 03:01:52,400
More of an institutional use which I think makes sense that stand out a little bit has the existing building does on her street

2153
03:01:52,400 --> 03:02:00,400
I think I would have an issue with the steepness of the roof, but I think in this particular case, because of the use and because of its relationship to the church, it kind of makes sense.

2154
03:02:03,660 --> 03:02:05,320
How wide is the driveway?

2155
03:02:08,970 --> 03:02:10,010
I don't remember what it was.

2156
03:02:10,490 --> 03:02:15,310
And then, but it's definitely, their review doesn't let me go forward with anything.

2157
03:02:15,310 --> 03:02:16,210
So Dave,

2158
03:02:19,350 --> 03:02:21,530
the review is very, very thorough.

2159
03:02:22,750 --> 03:02:25,830
The driveway is going to be six new feet in width

2160
03:02:25,830 --> 03:02:29,590
entering all the way down and then turning into the parking.

2161
03:02:30,090 --> 03:02:32,970
And then there's a swell retention pond

2162
03:02:32,970 --> 03:02:35,390
that are then further east of the driveway.

2163
03:02:36,990 --> 03:02:39,070
Well, on the opposite side of the house,

2164
03:02:39,350 --> 03:02:43,770
there's a huge about 20 feet worth of width

2165
03:02:43,770 --> 03:02:47,690
by almost the entire of the depth for that.

2166
03:02:48,370 --> 03:02:50,970
But the driveway will have a catch basin,

2167
03:02:51,170 --> 03:02:52,930
because water is going to be flowing,

2168
03:02:53,810 --> 03:02:55,730
and we're going to have to slope it in such a way

2169
03:02:55,730 --> 03:02:57,790
to collect it and then go to the stone drain.

2170
03:03:00,410 --> 03:03:03,030
So, yes, landscape, but that is the width of the driveway

2171
03:03:03,030 --> 03:03:04,430
as it comes in from the street.

2172
03:03:04,750 --> 03:03:07,310
This is your retention pond, and that's a retention pond.

2173
03:03:10,430 --> 03:03:13,690
And the property is owned by the archdiocese

2174
03:03:13,690 --> 03:03:16,490
You see this is or by your choice.

2175
03:03:16,710 --> 03:03:20,310
When's the time that you're in?

2176
03:03:21,250 --> 03:03:21,570
OK.

2177
03:03:23,250 --> 03:03:26,210
So somebody selling it.

2178
03:03:27,940 --> 03:03:29,740
Well, any other questions for the applicant?

2179
03:03:32,090 --> 03:03:35,790
It's not an open-it-to-public comment, public comment on this application.

2180
03:03:35,990 --> 03:03:36,750
Thank you.

2181
03:03:37,370 --> 03:03:39,190
State your name and address at the bottom.

2182
03:03:40,710 --> 03:03:41,550
Please, stay here, Named.

2183
03:03:41,950 --> 03:03:42,210
Sir.

2184
03:03:42,550 --> 03:03:42,690
Fundition.

2185
03:03:44,170 --> 03:03:44,370
Yeah.

2186
03:03:45,190 --> 03:03:45,390
Named.

2187
03:03:45,390 --> 03:03:50,950
The foundation of the big new build, the name of the address piece, excuse me, stay

2188
03:03:50,950 --> 03:03:58,090
hey name and address. Oh, but I don't, okay, that's 45, not this one, or three, three. Thank you.

2189
03:03:58,290 --> 03:04:05,250
We're literally, yeah. All right, now we have a C-ball and your foundation will be about

2190
03:04:05,250 --> 03:04:13,170
the same ball. Actually, sir, this is common only, not question the answer. Okay, so make

2191
03:04:13,170 --> 03:04:17,010
If I want to know if the foundation is in level with the civil,

2192
03:04:18,450 --> 03:04:19,670
when we have floods,

2193
03:04:22,430 --> 03:04:24,250
there's going to be some overwash,

2194
03:04:25,830 --> 03:04:27,390
because that's what we build the civil.

2195
03:04:27,530 --> 03:04:29,870
It's nothing washes back into the lake.

2196
03:04:30,750 --> 03:04:31,850
You know, the soil and whatever.

2197
03:04:32,530 --> 03:04:34,230
Because it's a landlord lake,

2198
03:04:35,690 --> 03:04:36,990
and there's no way out.

2199
03:04:37,710 --> 03:04:39,650
So anything goes in, it stays there.

2200
03:04:40,170 --> 03:04:43,770
So if the raised the foundation of the building

2201
03:04:43,770 --> 03:04:48,090
of the sea of being able to have some wash it back in the lake.

2202
03:04:50,400 --> 03:04:57,100
I think that isn't that why you have the routine edge that's not this right through here.

2203
03:04:57,780 --> 03:04:59,600
But this one is a sea of all here.

2204
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:16,220
Do you see what? Okay. And the right now, right now, it's a building's foundation is the level with the bottom of the sea wall, right? So you're going to raise that, no?

2205
03:05:26,750 --> 03:05:33,310
comes this way to get collect nothing's going to flow south of that into it.

2206
03:05:33,410 --> 03:05:34,930
Nothing going to go into the lake.

2207
03:05:37,390 --> 03:05:38,830
Yeah, very interesting idea.

2208
03:05:41,160 --> 03:05:43,100
I hope it works hard.

2209
03:05:43,660 --> 03:05:45,200
It's going to work out.

2210
03:05:45,540 --> 03:05:46,660
All right, we don't get a building.

2211
03:05:53,100 --> 03:05:56,280
Any other comments on this application?

2212
03:05:56,680 --> 03:05:57,560
Like, Apple's still working?

2213
03:05:58,460 --> 03:06:01,300
I mean, I think I got a splinter from it.

2214
03:06:01,300 --> 03:06:10,580
any other comments. Motion to approve the application with staff conditions. Hang on. Let me have some silence, please.

2215
03:06:11,080 --> 03:06:17,760
All right. Do I get any further discussion? Motion to approve. I got a motion to approve.

2216
03:06:18,160 --> 03:06:18,760
I have a second.

2217
03:06:19,280 --> 03:06:20,480
I'll second it.

2218
03:06:20,600 --> 03:06:23,160
We got a second here. All in favor say aye.

2219
03:06:23,660 --> 03:06:25,780
I application pass. Thank you very much.

2220
03:06:26,060 --> 03:06:27,520
Good luck. Thank you.

2221
03:06:27,580 --> 03:06:28,300
Thank you.

2222
03:06:42,470 --> 03:06:50,770
All right, discussion and possible action items on item nine A.

2223
03:06:53,920 --> 03:07:04,800
So I see here. All right, I guess I'll open it to you. Yes. And then I guess you were looking for a motion just to let this project continue to go forward.

2224
03:07:04,800 --> 03:07:14,740
Yeah, the idea is, the idea is to give you the ability, should you allow the applicant to explain their current situation and give you the ability as a board

2225
03:07:14,740 --> 03:07:23,160
Should you find it to be agreeable, to allow them to implement that as correct, all right, go ahead, please

2226
03:07:23,800 --> 03:07:31,780
So pursuant to a development order RSP 2493 the property was granted a facade modification and cycling approvals by the board for an approximately

2227
03:07:31,780 --> 03:07:37,160
1,191 square foot single family addition to an existing two-story residence.

2228
03:07:38,400 --> 03:07:42,580
The approved site plan indicated four bedrooms, five and a half bathrooms, outdoor

2229
03:07:42,580 --> 03:07:47,380
terraces and swimming pool area. The development order was executed on April 17, 2025,

2230
03:07:47,740 --> 03:07:51,160
requiring the applicant to submit for a building permit within one year of its execution.

2231
03:07:51,980 --> 03:07:59,600
On August 13, 2025, the applicant filed for a building permit review pursuant to RCOA-25-1848

2232
03:07:59,600 --> 03:08:05,780
and commenced the pursuit to a required 90-day county outstate, outside agencies for the

2233
03:08:05,780 --> 03:08:07,460
square footage edition scope of work.

2234
03:08:07,680 --> 03:08:14,360
Furthermore, on January 26th, 26th, the applicant filed for a demolition permit review for

2235
03:08:14,360 --> 03:08:18,660
the proposed areas of demolition within the property and upon staff's subsequent review

2236
03:08:18,660 --> 03:08:23,700
of the provided demolition sheets, it was determined that the proposed exterior walls

2237
03:08:23,700 --> 03:08:28,420
to be demolished, far exceeded the walls to be demolished as approved by the planning and

2238
03:08:28,420 --> 03:08:33,660
board development order. The board had previously indicated staff that for additions to existing

2239
03:08:33,660 --> 03:08:38,980
single-family residences built in or before 1965, any modification to the approved

2240
03:08:38,980 --> 03:08:43,960
site plan, which included deviations from the demo plans, incorporated into the site plan that

2241
03:08:43,960 --> 03:08:49,580
exceed 10 percent shall require a public hearing before the board. The applicant has indicated

2242
03:08:49,580 --> 03:08:53,940
following the approval that a comprehensive structural evaluation of the existing residents

2243
03:08:53,940 --> 03:08:59,820
was performed, including a review of the original microphone records, engineering, analysis, and structural

2244
03:08:59,820 --> 03:09:04,220
load calculations. And based on these findings, it was determined that the existing

2245
03:09:04,220 --> 03:09:09,700
wall reinforcement and foundation systems are insufficient to support the structural loads generated

2246
03:09:09,700 --> 03:09:16,220
by the approved architectural design. The applicant is now seeking that the planning is

2247
03:09:16,220 --> 03:09:20,840
on and board grant the approval of the revised demolition sheets as tied to the original

2248
03:09:20,840 --> 03:09:25,080
cyclone approval in order to support the approved architectural design.

2249
03:09:25,700 --> 03:09:29,760
All other aspects of the approved plans will remain unchanged as such.

2250
03:09:30,180 --> 03:09:33,680
Cyclone approval RSP-2493 remains valid.

2251
03:09:34,260 --> 03:09:38,340
The applicant shall construct and complete the new single family structure within 18 months

2252
03:09:38,340 --> 03:09:41,220
of the date of the issuance of the first building permit.

2253
03:09:41,720 --> 03:09:46,080
And with that, the applicant's age of this year to answer any questions you may have.

2254
03:09:48,040 --> 03:09:49,760
Any questions to the planning director?

2255
03:09:50,460 --> 03:09:54,520
Looking back to my files, I was having a hard time understanding when this came before us.

2256
03:09:56,460 --> 03:09:59,840
The actual cover sheets as it came before us, I think in October of 24.

2257
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:05,680
But I looked through my files and couldn't find it. Maybe it was just I looked at the agenda too and didn't find it there.

2258
03:10:06,160 --> 03:10:16,260
The March 27th, 2025. March 27th, 2025. The development order is part of their letter of intent.

2259
03:10:21,630 --> 03:10:26,150
So good, good to see DA 3.01 and the existing.

2260
03:10:26,930 --> 03:10:29,630
All right, that's 3.02. All right, that's fine, that's the new.

2261
03:10:30,390 --> 03:10:31,410
Go back to 01.

2262
03:10:35,010 --> 03:10:42,890
So I mean, when I reviewed this basically, the existing plan showed a couple of walls here

2263
03:10:42,890 --> 03:10:52,770
to be left in place and due to the structural analysis investigation, apparently those walls

2264
03:10:52,770 --> 03:10:59,170
are not adequate for what you want to do, so you need to demo those walls and build new walls

2265
03:10:59,170 --> 03:10:59,650
there.

2266
03:11:00,930 --> 03:11:03,510
And now those in fact are interior walls too.

2267
03:11:04,570 --> 03:11:08,210
So it doesn't affect the look at the house at all.

2268
03:11:08,510 --> 03:11:14,810
So when I looked at it, so these walls are going to be demoed and new walls put there and

2269
03:11:14,810 --> 03:11:30,610
Similarly, similarly on the second floor plan, these walls here get everything on the second floor, let everything get stim of you.

2270
03:11:33,030 --> 03:11:33,110
Yes.

2271
03:11:33,110 --> 03:11:38,230
Unfortunately, I would like reinforcements, so I won't be substantial for the notes that we need.

2272
03:11:38,230 --> 03:11:43,630
So you're demoing their CMU walls that are there and you're demoing them and putting

2273
03:11:44,430 --> 03:11:50,430
reinforce the CMU back or soundtrace, okay, custom place concrete, solid walls.

2274
03:11:54,420 --> 03:12:00,620
So these four before stick walls, concrete blocks.

2275
03:12:01,220 --> 03:12:02,680
No, I think they were,

2276
03:12:06,330 --> 03:12:08,290
they think of the beach space.

2277
03:12:17,640 --> 03:12:18,460
And the storage structure,

2278
03:12:21,830 --> 03:12:25,370
it would look like that, in the plant's package, this was from

2279
03:12:25,370 --> 03:12:31,370
that day, that's why she asked her name in terms of the presentation to us as a day regional.

2280
03:12:35,030 --> 03:12:43,990
My name is Rafał. I am the social interranging here working in this project. First, I

2281
03:12:43,990 --> 03:12:52,410
like to apologize because sometimes my English is not very fluent, and so I need some

2282
03:12:52,410 --> 03:13:00,630
time to find the right words to explain, but I do do the best.

2283
03:13:02,790 --> 03:13:09,790
This project, the existing residence was originally designed as a conventional wood frame

2284
03:13:09,790 --> 03:13:10,410
structure.

2285
03:13:11,470 --> 03:13:18,890
I work the proposed renovation, replaces the original wood floor of framing with reinforced

2286
03:13:18,890 --> 03:13:24,790
concrete floor and roof slabs. These represent a significant change in the

2287
03:13:24,790 --> 03:13:29,830
short-track system and substantially increases the reliability laws that must be

2288
03:13:29,830 --> 03:13:35,810
transfer safely to the foundation. Because of this change, many of the

2289
03:13:35,810 --> 03:13:39,770
system walls cannot be effectively integrated into the new

2290
03:13:39,770 --> 03:13:45,110
structural system while maintaining proper load path and a social

2291
03:13:45,110 --> 03:13:51,350
material. For the resources, the demolition is now intended to maximize the scope of work.

2292
03:13:52,130 --> 03:13:56,810
Rather, it is necessary to provide adequate structural support and establish a safe and continuous

2293
03:13:56,810 --> 03:14:03,590
load traffic throughout the building. In addition, our film-based irrigation also

2294
03:14:03,590 --> 03:14:09,970
identifies existing ongoing forest and foundation elements that do not meet their

2295
03:14:09,970 --> 03:14:12,610
of the new structural design.

2296
03:14:13,930 --> 03:14:16,710
Consequently, the structural plans include new reforms,

2297
03:14:17,110 --> 03:14:19,870
structural elements and large foundation design

2298
03:14:19,870 --> 03:14:22,870
to slightly resist the revised law in conditions.

2299
03:14:25,510 --> 03:14:29,870
For this reason, we respectfully believe that the proposed

2300
03:14:29,870 --> 03:14:34,290
demolition is structurally justified and represent the

2301
03:14:34,290 --> 03:14:38,630
safest and appropriate solution for this project.

2302
03:14:39,190 --> 03:14:40,350
Thank you.

2303
03:14:40,530 --> 03:14:42,690
Any questions from the board to the applicant?

2304
03:14:51,440 --> 03:14:58,140
So in addition to the couple of walls that are taken out on the first floor, in addition,

2305
03:14:58,940 --> 03:14:59,900
the whole second floor.

2306
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:09,800
It's taken off, but if we're looking at this elevation, this is the approved elevation from before, the front page.

2307
03:15:10,280 --> 03:15:11,640
The elevations are not changing.

2308
03:15:15,960 --> 03:15:19,060
So the only thing changing are these three sheets that they included.

2309
03:15:19,560 --> 03:15:20,400
These dim up sheets.

2310
03:15:21,020 --> 03:15:24,180
So the question for the commander.

2311
03:15:48,310 --> 03:15:52,550
It's on the condition of approval. If you'd like, I can read it.

2312
03:15:52,550 --> 03:15:54,290
Nobody said it never happened.

2313
03:15:55,050 --> 03:15:58,750
Well, we didn't have them update.

2314
03:15:58,970 --> 03:16:01,330
All they're providing is the demolition sheets,

2315
03:16:01,530 --> 03:16:03,270
because that's all they're asking to swap out.

2316
03:16:03,430 --> 03:16:07,190
So we're fully intending that they will meet that condition.

2317
03:16:07,330 --> 03:16:07,570
Correct.

2318
03:16:10,220 --> 03:16:11,480
Within the building permit.

2319
03:16:12,280 --> 03:16:12,760
Well, hold on.

2320
03:16:12,820 --> 03:16:14,700
You said they submitted the building permit already.

2321
03:16:15,160 --> 03:16:15,380
Yes.

2322
03:16:16,040 --> 03:16:17,460
So did they add the windows or not?

2323
03:16:17,960 --> 03:16:20,360
They have a comment that they need to add the building.

2324
03:16:20,360 --> 03:16:21,000
They haven't done it yet.

2325
03:16:21,600 --> 03:16:22,980
They have a comment for them to add it.

2326
03:16:23,100 --> 03:16:23,800
They haven't done it yet.

2327
03:16:23,800 --> 03:16:28,560
Now, they're coming back to us and asking us for something, but they haven't done what we ask them to do in the first place.

2328
03:16:29,360 --> 03:16:32,660
And I say, we, I wasn't that that meeting, but that's what the meeting minutes say.

2329
03:16:32,740 --> 03:16:33,360
Oh, thank you.

2330
03:16:33,420 --> 03:16:33,880
I got to an issue.

2331
03:16:34,640 --> 03:16:39,640
Otherwise, I mean, firstly, I don't have a problem with the demo plan change.

2332
03:16:40,700 --> 03:16:48,420
If it were, if it were a retention of an historic structure, and they were looking to change the knowledge from more of that historic structure,

2333
03:16:48,420 --> 03:16:52,440
as it happened in the six states, that would be an issue, I think,

2334
03:16:52,540 --> 03:16:53,440
from my perspective.

2335
03:16:54,820 --> 03:16:57,540
But my concern is that there's a convent here

2336
03:16:57,540 --> 03:16:59,080
where we put a condition in place,

2337
03:16:59,700 --> 03:17:03,600
or by, they clearly submitted a plan that didn't have that,

2338
03:17:03,720 --> 03:17:04,660
didn't abide by that motion.

2339
03:17:05,240 --> 03:17:08,700
So I think, well, we should, let me clarify.

2340
03:17:09,540 --> 03:17:13,720
So an applicant submits and staff issues a series of comments.

2341
03:17:14,820 --> 03:17:16,960
Typically, we'll say, hey,

2342
03:17:16,960 --> 03:17:23,220
Where's your outside agency approvals because it's one of our conditions like we'll go through the conditions list

2343
03:17:23,220 --> 03:17:28,620
And we'll cite all those things that are not in the initial submittal, so I think what they did was

2344
03:17:29,140 --> 03:17:35,020
They did a dry run review which the building department the building department allows folks to do a dry review

2345
03:17:35,020 --> 03:17:37,300
Which then would

2346
03:17:37,300 --> 03:17:44,860
Provide them the feasibility to go to the outside agencies and I think they've underwent that course and

2347
03:17:44,860 --> 03:17:48,260
And then that process came back and filed the demo permit.

2348
03:17:48,620 --> 03:17:52,820
So they kind of left the original permit kind of, let's say,

2349
03:17:52,940 --> 03:17:58,060
I don't, and I don't believe they've resimitted addressing those

2350
03:17:58,060 --> 03:18:02,200
comments because of the, uh, what they found with the demo.

2351
03:18:02,460 --> 03:18:04,100
I mean, you guys can speak to it that right.

2352
03:18:04,340 --> 03:18:05,820
And we also have it.

2353
03:18:05,820 --> 03:18:08,240
I mean, it has a representative, but it, it was done.

2354
03:18:08,480 --> 03:18:11,540
And we are working on the windows and all of that.

2355
03:18:11,540 --> 03:18:13,580
So, I mean, it's being worked on.

2356
03:18:13,780 --> 03:18:15,560
It's just that we work, getting married,

2357
03:18:15,680 --> 03:18:17,380
they kind of put all the outside agencies.

2358
03:18:17,900 --> 03:18:19,360
And we know that we have to go ahead

2359
03:18:19,360 --> 03:18:21,140
and revise our hearing.

2360
03:18:21,880 --> 03:18:23,260
So that's why we're here.

2361
03:18:23,580 --> 03:18:25,560
And instead of going back and forth more on reviews,

2362
03:18:26,400 --> 03:18:27,620
why is that meant so many times

2363
03:18:27,620 --> 03:18:29,880
until the approval was done here?

2364
03:18:30,380 --> 03:18:32,100
So let's make sure we're all on some page.

2365
03:18:32,280 --> 03:18:35,400
What was the comment, additional finestration?

2366
03:18:35,640 --> 03:18:36,500
I'm a little second.

2367
03:18:36,720 --> 03:18:37,480
I'm a little second.

2368
03:18:38,720 --> 03:18:40,760
So that was the, this wall here.

2369
03:18:43,460 --> 03:18:46,080
And you guys understand what our comment is.

2370
03:18:46,200 --> 03:18:47,600
All right, we are adding to Windows.

2371
03:18:48,080 --> 03:18:51,580
And if you'd like to, I can read the condition

2372
03:18:51,580 --> 03:18:54,200
that was in the development order.

2373
03:18:54,940 --> 03:18:54,960
Sure.

2374
03:18:56,440 --> 03:18:57,980
So the condition reads, the applicant,

2375
03:18:58,180 --> 03:18:59,820
at the time of building permit shall revise

2376
03:18:59,820 --> 03:19:03,360
West elevations, sheet A401, and indicate windows

2377
03:19:03,360 --> 03:19:05,840
along the second story of the West wall, similar

2378
03:19:05,840 --> 03:19:07,400
to the proposed window openings

2379
03:19:07,400 --> 03:19:10,060
as located at the second story of the north elevation.

2380
03:19:10,540 --> 03:19:11,980
Staff shall review for compatibility.

2381
03:19:11,980 --> 03:19:15,580
So they had that here today,

2382
03:19:21,130 --> 03:19:22,710
absolutely, absolutely.

2383
03:19:24,490 --> 03:19:30,410
Because I guess today, the only thing we only question in front of us is those three demo sheets,

2384
03:19:30,470 --> 03:19:35,630
you know, as revised sheets to Jonathan from

2385
03:19:38,100 --> 03:19:44,780
memory, you know, but common from the other one, you know, to make sure that he follows up on that.

2386
03:19:47,310 --> 03:19:51,170
So I guess this is a discussion and possible action items.

2387
03:19:51,170 --> 03:19:59,970
I guess I'm looking for a motion to approve the sheet's DA101, DA301, and DA1.

2388
03:20:14,660 --> 03:20:20,240
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2389
03:20:22,260 --> 03:20:25,500
Sorry to make you wait so long, but we got to be here, you know.

2390
03:20:25,500 --> 03:20:30,500
All right.

2391
03:20:32,140 --> 03:20:33,440
Thank you.

2392
03:20:33,440 --> 03:20:34,260
All right.

2393
03:20:37,160 --> 03:20:38,840
Board member comments.

2394
03:20:39,240 --> 03:20:40,340
Any board member comments?

2395
03:20:42,320 --> 03:20:43,540
I got this.

2396
03:20:43,780 --> 03:20:43,920
I got this.

2397
03:20:43,920 --> 03:20:44,440
I got this.

2398
03:20:44,880 --> 03:20:46,080
This is it.

2399
03:20:46,080 --> 03:20:48,700
You guys that's what my question is.

2400
03:20:48,700 --> 03:20:56,660
has the council reviewed any applicants to replace

2401
03:20:58,400 --> 03:21:01,880
Brady and I this is a great position has been replaced for a while down

2402
03:21:02,100 --> 03:21:04,020
It has not

2403
03:21:04,840 --> 03:21:09,900
Replacement has not been sworn in until we were done with the article now we're done

2404
03:21:09,900 --> 03:21:16,120
So I think they'll proceed in that matter. I'm not completely certain or I don't think the

2405
03:21:16,120 --> 03:21:21,280
They're discussion at any of their council meetings unless they haven't had applicants.

2406
03:21:22,600 --> 03:21:31,180
The latest information from the clerk was that she's only received two applicants that are currently serving on the board.

2407
03:21:32,040 --> 03:21:33,720
She has received anything.

2408
03:21:33,920 --> 03:21:36,740
They didn't even go through.

2409
03:21:37,000 --> 03:21:39,420
She hasn't renewed the two applicants.

2410
03:21:39,820 --> 03:21:44,660
She hasn't brought it to the council because she's hoping to get more applicants.

2411
03:21:44,660 --> 03:21:47,620
because it would leave a bacon, a bacon seat.

2412
03:21:56,670 --> 03:22:00,050
You know, I don't believe anybody will ever touch the plates.

2413
03:22:00,550 --> 03:22:03,990
But I'm, yeah, you can never let it go.

2414
03:22:05,270 --> 03:22:07,670
But you can never let it go.

2415
03:22:08,070 --> 03:22:12,590
All right, so I guess the next meeting September and just FYI,

2416
03:22:13,630 --> 03:22:19,870
I'll continue to show up, to somebody else shows up.

2417
03:22:19,890 --> 03:22:21,650
Somebody else wants to show up.

2418
03:22:21,650 --> 03:22:27,650
Yeah, and that's expected for the call, I mean, thank you for doing it

2419
03:22:27,650 --> 03:22:30,950
But so Dan, I just want to say it's been a pleasure. Well, thank you

2420
03:22:30,950 --> 03:22:36,430
No, we haven't always seen night eye, but I do appreciate the back and forth and obviously the differences of opinion

2421
03:22:36,430 --> 03:22:39,990
And thank you for everything you've done and all these years you've served this community

2422
03:22:39,990 --> 03:22:42,930
People don't appreciate that the way they should

2423
03:22:44,350 --> 03:22:46,510
For those comments, yes

2424
03:22:48,370 --> 03:22:58,350
Now, this is, you're going to do what you need to do in terms of the final.

2425
03:23:00,270 --> 03:23:02,190
What are we talking about right now?

2426
03:23:02,410 --> 03:23:03,590
It's already 40 seconds.

2427
03:23:03,690 --> 03:23:07,810
In other words, Dan Brady needs to show up to any more meetings.

2428
03:23:08,570 --> 03:23:09,910
I'm officially out.

2429
03:23:10,150 --> 03:23:10,330
I'm officially out.

2430
03:23:10,330 --> 03:23:10,770
You're officially out.

2431
03:23:11,530 --> 03:23:11,950
You're officially out.

2432
03:23:11,950 --> 03:23:13,190
I replaced me a year ago.

2433
03:23:14,310 --> 03:23:14,670
Okay.

2434
03:23:14,870 --> 03:23:15,990
I guess that's the counsel.

2435
03:23:15,990 --> 03:23:18,350
But still it's hard to get him.

2436
03:23:18,530 --> 03:23:19,650
Oh, he does, he's at.

2437
03:23:20,050 --> 03:23:26,490
But, okay, so we basically recommend an adoption of the residential code.

2438
03:23:27,630 --> 03:23:27,870
Yes.

2439
03:23:28,130 --> 03:23:32,010
And both the rise to you and Eddie to make.

2440
03:23:32,510 --> 03:23:33,530
Non-substantial change.

2441
03:23:33,530 --> 03:23:37,670
Non-substantial change is for purpose and concern of good quality.

2442
03:23:38,410 --> 03:23:38,870
Mm-hmm.

2443
03:23:39,750 --> 03:23:41,310
And you are hypothetically,

2444
03:23:41,310 --> 03:23:57,190
you're going to present to the Council two documents. One that is but we're recommending and one that's going to basically say we're not sure legally you can do this.

2445
03:23:57,190 --> 03:24:01,750
Yes, one ordinance, one staff member,

2446
03:24:01,750 --> 03:24:03,650
but with our recommendation and one recommendation.

2447
03:24:03,650 --> 03:24:08,370
And one with the same thing that you all received before,

2448
03:24:08,850 --> 03:24:11,670
that called out the provisions that were questionable.

2449
03:24:13,170 --> 03:24:16,310
And that will then go to them and all of this.

2450
03:24:16,930 --> 03:24:18,230
No, that will go to them all of this.

2451
03:24:18,390 --> 03:24:20,230
But they won't hear until September.

2452
03:24:21,890 --> 03:24:26,410
We can plan for a September, but keep in mind we have budget in September.

2453
03:24:26,410 --> 03:24:40,030
And that's priority. So, the priority is going to be getting whatever budget items are out for the manager and then, but we hope that's temporary, but that's not a guarantee.

2454
03:24:40,030 --> 03:24:43,070
I would like to talk to the first, right?

2455
03:24:43,690 --> 03:24:43,870
Okay.

2456
03:24:44,310 --> 03:24:44,930
Tell me here.

2457
03:24:45,150 --> 03:24:46,950
So we have to be going to be an October.

2458
03:24:47,350 --> 03:24:50,370
In terms of the potential awareness probably be October.

2459
03:24:51,590 --> 03:24:52,210
Corrective.

2460
03:24:52,450 --> 03:24:59,970
If we were to fill as the September agenda is too conflated.

2461
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:02,020
With the budget items, I guess.

2462
03:25:09,360 --> 03:25:15,420
We wouldn't be able to pass in reading some of the stuff with the amendment.

2463
03:25:15,780 --> 03:25:24,400
I saw a thing that said that they're supposed to make public a budget that shows you 10% reduction.

2464
03:25:25,920 --> 03:25:30,600
That law is goes in effect January 27.

2465
03:25:33,380 --> 03:25:34,200
No, okay.

2466
03:25:35,740 --> 03:25:37,660
So it'll be effective for the next budget.

2467
03:25:39,420 --> 03:25:50,580
Okay. Any other board member comments? Next meeting September 60th. That was a screwdriver.

2468
03:25:51,060 --> 03:25:57,680
Sorry about that. September 24th.

2469
03:26:00,470 --> 03:26:02,990
Congratulations on being done with the article.

2470
03:26:02,990 --> 03:26:06,210
I think that was a real big feat.

2471
03:26:11,580 --> 03:26:11,660
I'm like,

2472
03:26:12,760 --> 03:26:13,280
I'm like,

2473
03:26:13,680 --> 03:26:14,100
I'm like,

2474
03:26:14,100 --> 03:26:14,180
I'm like,

2475
03:26:14,660 --> 03:26:15,240
I'm like,

2476
03:26:15,720 --> 03:26:18,800
you could just...

2477
03:26:18,800 --> 03:26:20,120
It becomes that.

2478
03:26:20,440 --> 03:26:21,560
You know, I never really thought of that.

2479
03:26:21,560 --> 03:26:22,760
It comes back for 80 comes back.

2480
03:26:26,030 --> 03:26:26,790
How many?

2481
03:26:27,290 --> 03:26:27,570
I mean,

2482
03:26:27,750 --> 03:26:28,930
I'm trying to...

2483
03:26:29,290 --> 03:26:30,630
I'm trying to think,

2484
03:26:31,430 --> 03:26:37,610
I don't remember us approving any sugarcodes

2485
03:26:37,610 --> 03:26:43,250
have sugarcute after the 24 changes to the code.

2486
03:26:43,850 --> 03:26:47,190
And I really don't remember a whole lot of other

2487
03:26:47,850 --> 03:26:48,650
sugarcute's period.

2488
03:26:48,910 --> 03:26:53,350
The one on by the park on this cane is probably the only one.

2489
03:26:53,410 --> 03:26:56,630
I think it really comes to what a real sugarcube looks like.

2490
03:26:56,870 --> 03:26:59,950
There's some big square.

2491
03:27:00,230 --> 03:27:00,890
20-thirty.

2492
03:27:01,390 --> 03:27:02,070
Yeah, that one.

2493
03:27:03,070 --> 03:27:03,550
There's one.

2494
03:27:03,950 --> 03:27:04,430
There's one.

2495
03:27:05,010 --> 03:27:05,550
Which one?

2496
03:27:05,550 --> 03:27:05,730
Now we're going to need to go back.

2497
03:27:06,210 --> 03:27:09,070
One and a ninety-third closer to that.

2498
03:27:09,310 --> 03:27:10,710
Well, that actually does.

2499
03:27:10,770 --> 03:27:12,030
That was very interesting.

2500
03:27:12,310 --> 03:27:12,930
That was much better.

2501
03:27:12,950 --> 03:27:15,790
That's the one that got everybody gone.

2502
03:27:16,790 --> 03:27:19,350
It was just so big.

2503
03:27:19,690 --> 03:27:20,310
It's so big.

2504
03:27:20,490 --> 03:27:22,830
But it's very setback.

2505
03:27:23,450 --> 03:27:25,990
I think it's more setback than the 25 feet.

2506
03:27:26,230 --> 03:27:30,410
It has some variation in the, in the front plain.

2507
03:27:31,330 --> 03:27:31,610
The parking run.

2508
03:27:31,610 --> 03:27:32,910
One unit of parking racks.

2509
03:27:32,910 --> 03:27:35,870
It looks like a park in Raxeno or a plastic surgery institute.

2510
03:27:36,530 --> 03:27:37,850
That one that we're talking about on 90s,

2511
03:27:37,850 --> 03:27:41,470
or 90s, that one looks like one of the 1960s AT&T structures

2512
03:27:41,470 --> 03:27:42,350
that you used to see.

2513
03:27:42,730 --> 03:27:43,130
It's weird.

2514
03:27:45,170 --> 03:27:47,450
93rd street on the south side,

2515
03:27:47,510 --> 03:27:49,330
like second and third house from the beginning.

2516
03:27:49,730 --> 03:27:50,990
Yeah, I think that's the right thing.

2517
03:27:51,650 --> 03:27:54,550
It looks like one of the structures from AT&T

2518
03:27:54,550 --> 03:27:59,010
that they used to build up and down the keys, 1960s.

2519
03:27:59,070 --> 03:28:00,370
I particularly like some of their structures,

2520
03:28:00,610 --> 03:28:01,730
it's just not a single family option.

2521
03:28:01,730 --> 03:28:08,610
I mean, but really, I think all the other ones, we basically told no to people.

2522
03:28:13,940 --> 03:28:14,120
Okay.

2523
03:28:14,260 --> 03:28:15,580
I appreciate your service.

2524
03:28:24,380 --> 03:28:28,680
Finalizing, we're doing final inspections on things that were approved in 2023.

2525
03:28:29,420 --> 03:28:30,840
It's just the nature of these.

2526
03:28:30,980 --> 03:28:32,380
It takes 18 months.

2527
03:28:32,520 --> 03:28:33,760
Six of a year to get a permit.

2528
03:28:34,060 --> 03:28:34,420
Oh, yeah.

2529
03:28:34,760 --> 03:28:36,280
To get through the whole permitting process.

2530
03:28:36,280 --> 03:28:43,400
Yeah, what's the latest with that house they demoed on six Avenue, just more than a hundred and third string?

2531
03:28:44,540 --> 03:28:50,900
He came in here, we table did, and now has a wrecked car in the backyard.

2532
03:28:51,800 --> 03:28:53,040
Oh, the one on golf course.

2533
03:28:53,640 --> 03:28:53,900
Of course.

2534
03:28:55,500 --> 03:28:57,140
Did that come back for us?

2535
03:28:57,140 --> 03:28:58,380
It never came back.

2536
03:29:00,280 --> 03:29:01,640
We didn't go.

2537
03:29:01,920 --> 03:29:03,760
I think that's the Bernard house.

2538
03:29:03,760 --> 03:29:09,930
You've been going back and forth trying to get you what you what you asked for.

2539
03:29:11,340 --> 03:29:12,160
Thanks.

2540
03:29:13,220 --> 03:29:14,720
Sometimes it's like pulling too.

2541
03:29:14,980 --> 03:29:15,520
But how?

2542
03:29:15,540 --> 03:29:16,720
But they're still engaged.

2543
03:29:17,060 --> 03:29:19,900
How long is that period?

2544
03:29:20,220 --> 03:29:22,120
Can it be table forever?

2545
03:29:23,560 --> 03:29:32,020
Well, there's Florida statutes that basically put a timeline on applications.

2546
03:29:32,820 --> 03:29:37,280
That's technically, I think it's like it's been within the system for like six months.

2547
03:29:37,560 --> 03:29:40,340
You have to take it to a hearing even if you're recommending an eye.

2548
03:29:40,520 --> 03:29:40,800
Okay?

2549
03:29:41,180 --> 03:29:42,840
There's things like that in the pipeline.

2550
03:29:43,440 --> 03:29:46,620
Will the developer is given the upper hand with time-lapse?

2551
03:29:46,740 --> 03:29:49,540
And you just can't let them sit in the purgatory.

2552
03:29:50,900 --> 03:29:55,980
So that's an indication that we would have to monitor, you know, to close it.

2553
03:29:56,040 --> 03:29:59,720
But if they come back after the arm couldn't pass, they're so cute too.

2554
03:30:00,210 --> 03:30:10,890
I think that's a conversation with the council as to how if they adopt the art code, they would have to instruct right, as it was affected.

2555
03:30:11,370 --> 03:30:28,370
It becomes effective tonight or it becomes effective on extent and anything in the pipeline, do not consider it or only consider things like they would have to tell us. Consider things that are indeed public hearing things, but not anything that's in the billing prep.

2556
03:30:28,370 --> 03:30:36,310
or don't consider any, that's something that we would have to flush out with the council at the time of their consideration.

2557
03:30:40,250 --> 03:30:42,270
Anything else? Do I have motion to adjourn?

2558
03:30:43,990 --> 03:30:44,290
Second.

2559
03:30:44,850 --> 03:30:45,290
All in favor?

2560
03:30:45,710 --> 03:30:47,530
Aye. Thank you.