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Go ahead and call the meeting to order. This is the planning zoning board special call meeting to discuss the community residential district, like the call the meeting to order with the roll call.

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Board Member Brady.

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Board Member O'Hara. Board Member Napier. Board Member Spug will be with us shortly.

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Chairperson Bolton.

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Here. Thank you. Order of business. Anybody have any additions, deletions, deferrals?

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Hearing none. Very good.

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Following the agenda public comments.

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Two-minute time limit. Is there anybody that would like to make a public comment?

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If so, state your name

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I don't know why we even here, don't we handle this, I don't know, a year ago, I don't

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know, this is ridiculous, we're spending more, I have to spend two minutes of my life,

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two minutes, no, that's a lot, that's a long time, I'm addressing you, yeah, but I'm talking

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and also to my people in my neighborhood.

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We have to rise up and do something about this

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and call this done already.

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Like really, guys, this is stupid.

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As far as the really stay thing, I'm for quality.

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If you can't afford to live here, I don't want you here.

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Get the hell out of here.

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Can't pay taxes, don't come here.

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I want good, big, beautiful homes.

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Seriously.

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I don't want to hold a whole bunch of timehows here.

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What is that?

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Seriously.

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You want to water us down.

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We're going to shoot ourselves in a foot.

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We are the envy of Florida.

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I have the pleasure to throw bellbows with very, very big people, huge people.

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They talk about Miami shores.

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Never mind, listen to those islands, Palm Island, high bishops, they love Miami shores.

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They want to invest money here, and you all want to put townhouses?

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Really, the concept I don't get it.

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I don't get the concept.

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It just gets me like this for all of that.

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Because I worked very hard to live in this town.

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Very hard.

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And I'm sure you all did too.

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Let's get it together.

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Seriously guys, I get money.

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I get it.

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But we're all going to be dead within the next 40 years.

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All of us.

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I am 50 years, okay, and I want to leave a legacy for my kids, seriously, seriously, man, get with it.

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Thank you,

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by the way, before you start, we're not going to tolerate applause and interruptions.

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Thank you.

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Hi, A.J. Nichols, proud Mimish was resident at 113 North West 106 Street since September 1992.

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One of the reasons I moved here was very careful consideration of any development that could happen around me.

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I was happy we had the disgained dog track.

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And when the disgained dog track went out and

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buried board it was assumed that it was going to be used for very use only.

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The current sardine can approach that Lenard has proposed shows a complete lack of any interest

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of working with the community whatsoever and ignores all of the record-

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We've been doing this for over a year. I've been seeing a five minute video that provides an alternative that at least would correspond to there are various aesthetic qualities that make Miami shores. The great place to live that I've invested two minutes.

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$200,000 in a fixed amount of my whole, and I'm tired here now, three years.

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And I don't see any upside to have a small city built six blocks away from me.

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With hundreds and hundreds of cars, we've never done this in mining shores since its inception.

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This has been a single home, family oriented community that has the last

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oasis, therefore the biggest price for the NAR.

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A developer I wouldn't trust as far as you could throw them.

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Whether it's the Chinese drywall that made many people sick, whether it's the country

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walk development that blew over.

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I was there in Hurricane Andrew and dear with next door.

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Every one of those houses was destroyed, whether it's the sinkholes in Central Florida

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that they built and had 12 houses, do not trust them as you go forward.

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I would rather not have them as a developer.

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they I have watched them in action 35 years at Miami-Date television and zoning

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hearings do not trust them at all I need to have people care about the

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residents first you know we've lost so much to development we've lost so many

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great places that I like you know I don't want to lose my town and there's no

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reason for it you know it just doesn't take into account anything that we've

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want it. And this is our town. And there is no incentive. There is no upside to us building

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all of this. You know, increase in taxes. Okay, fine. It's going to be offset by increases

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in infrastructure. You know, have we done some kind of study by the way for the land? Is

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it on a sinkhole? Is it on a super fun site that we could be? I don't know, maybe we could

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be sued in the future because we're building on there and exposing people.

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And then we're going to deal with sort of a, you know, a cancer situation here.

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I mean, there is absolutely no upside to this.

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The, any developer, I mean, there's no mandate.

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There's nothing in our mission that says that we have to provide multifamily housing.

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Just the fact is that we are the last prize.

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And they, they will stop at nothing.

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And I would not, you know, they'll come back later.

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that want variances that want to, oh, air rights, will want more.

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We will want more.

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You don't, you know, there's a certain concept of precedence.

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You do not let the camel's nose under the tent because then you have the whole camel,

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you know.

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And we have to stick to the 40-foot recommended height, I think, throughout the village.

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Why not?

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Why do we have to have five, ten stories?

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You know, I mean, it keeps going back and forth so many times.

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I cannot keep track of it.

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I will do more research and be even more better prepared.

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I appreciate you listening to my, my plea, really.

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My plea, you know, because once it's gone, you cannot get it back.

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You cannot get it back.

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Thank you.

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Good evening, everyone.

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My name is Natasha Cooper.

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I reside at six or one northwest of 112th Street.

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I'm at six blocks away, oh, it's 12 blocks away from this proposal.

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I'm one block away.

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When I bought my home in 2019, I bought into the concept of Miami Shores being single-family

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homes, a sort of suburban in the city.

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I looked at many different places.

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It took me a full year to find a house.

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I tend to say that I'm hurt adjacent.

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If you look in the room, I'm in a minority in here.

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You don't see many of me in this room.

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I choose Miami Shores because I wanted a good place for my daughter to grow up.

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This doesn't affect me myself and my home ownership.

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It also affects my daughter because she attends Dr. Strata.

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I looked at the proposal for one acre of proposal to be given to Dr. Charter.

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As a parent, that's not enough.

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We have kids leaving Dr. Charter every day because they don't have the funds.

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They don't have the facilities.

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They don't have athletic programs.

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And now we have homes coming across the street directly from them.

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That's going to create traffic on a daily basis.

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Just to get my daughter, either one six or one, and to get from six or one and six to Dr.

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Shad in the morning is like 20 minutes in traffic and that's like two blocks away.

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What traffic are we creating where we have these 177 town homes?

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That's coming in. That means each person in that household will have at least two cars. That's more traffic. The builder site is going to be a lot of dust, road construction. You know, what are we really getting? They propose a park. We don't really have parks in that area. Yes, it's good. But when you look at the parks that they're proposing, we're leaving out a community. We're leaving out the elderly community. What are we really getting when we propose these stone homes?

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I live close to my I-95, there's a lot of noise traffic there, but I want it to be in my

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amy shores.

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That's what's your reaction I had so I took it.

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Now you're proposing more traffic in the neighborhood.

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I don't think it's right, and I think it's gone beyond the point of where we have single

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family homes in the community.

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Any other public comment on this issue?

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Hearing none, next item on the agenda.

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Good evening gentlemen. Neil Cantor here as a resident this evening 1165 Northeast 104th Street.

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I understand the first of all I'd like to thank you all. Your job is very tough for my limited

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time of serving here in the community. It's tough. We weigh a lot of different things. We do a lot of

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research that a lot of people don't know about. We go in debt for a lot of things that

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people don't understand. But as I've heard some of my neighbors say tonight that I

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think it's very important to say, we are a gem here. It must be protected at all costs.

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We cannot trust the company who is just here for a bottom line, for a big payday who will

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squeeze as many people in this community as they possibly can.

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Now, I know in the previous workshop,

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a lot of the residents here have spoken.

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They've told you what they want.

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They've told you what their sentiment is.

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But more than anything you, gentlemen,

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are residents of this community, too, who

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expect a high quality of life and a high value for your properties.

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because for many of us our homes are our biggest asset and as you go through

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this evening and you carefully deliberate hopefully over what should and

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shouldn't be here I ask that you take a step away for a moment and really

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internalize the decisions that you're you are making here tonight because as one

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of the residents said once this happens there's no going back we must get this

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but we must take the time to do it right and echo the sentiment of those who have built this lovely beautiful community that we are all so proud to be part of.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Any further public comment?

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Good

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evening. My name is Jesús Soto. I live in one one zero four zero northwest

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second avenue. We bought our house in two thousand. Actually what we brought us

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here is the family oriented and some rows of limit school where my son is

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studying and he finished there. Now he's gonna graduate as a lawyer very soon and

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two years so we still live in Miami-Scholes. I want each of you to consider

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And right now when I 95 is a heavy traffic, nor was it going to have any, it's converting

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in another congested traffic.

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So what is going to happen when these all developers come, come into our neighborhood?

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It's like everybody is concerned until when we're going to continue being a community for

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a single family home.

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Are you considering the traffic, the heavy traffic that we have right now, without them, in all of Norway's second avenue?

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Did you consider all the accidents that are we having right now between 111 and Norway's second avenue, almost every single day?

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I want you to know to consider all of that, and we want to continue living here.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Do the chair for me? Yes. Just if you can indulge me for a second because I think I would just want to explain to you all as board members and also the members of the public where we are on this process. So everyone's clear. There are two types of processes when it comes down to typically creating law. One is something that's going to be legislative. The other is quasi-judicial. Legislative is when you have a little bit more discretion and

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an authority to create policies that will affect the village as a whole.

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When you are in a quasi-judicial realm, you are going to affect more site-specific situations.

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So where we are right now in this stage is the legislative process,

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which means that you are going to be creating the regulations that's associated

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it yes with the particular property, but that could be applied if there was a rezoning or something somewhere else.

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So we are not at the stage where it's site plan review or

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something that's site specific, we are solely at the stage of just creating the law.

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And so you all are charged to create regulations for the community residential district.

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You have to create those regulations because in 2023, September 11th, the Village Council adopted the comprehensive plan that includes language that designates the community residential district, land use resident destination.

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And so I want to just read what that says so you understand what you're creating, because I know I've heard, and you all have heard comments regarding multi-family town homes.

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But this is what is already the law in MIMI shores.

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So under the community residential designation, this land use designation is intended to accommodate a coordinated,

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integrated, and balanced range of residential uses.

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Single family detached units are permitted at a density of two six dwelling units per gross acre.

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attached townhouse and multi-family dwelling units at a density up to 13 dwelling units per gross acre.

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Residential uses are permitted at a floor area ratio not greater than 1.0.

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So our comprehensive plan, which is what we can look at as our quote unquote constitution,

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has indicated that there needs to be a community residential district.

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And so now your job as board members would be to create regulations that govern that district, and you would recommend those regulations to the Village Council.

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You don't have any final authority in terms of it passing.

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It is a recommendation that you'll make to the Village Council.

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And then at the Village Council level, there'll be a first reading, and then there will be a second reading.

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Upon second reading, it will become adopted if they agree with the recommendation.

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They can make changes at the council level, but I just wanted to clarify that in hopes that it just gives a little clarity for tonight in terms of where we're going, but we are not at a stage where we're looking at the site plan, you will be hearing from a particular potential applicant, but again, we are not at site plan level tonight.

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Thank you and let me clarify or have a question for you this community residential district

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according to the comp plan provides the applicant or the the developer there could build single

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family homes multi family homes or townhouses. We have single family homes we have the code for

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that already in our zoning code, and we have the multi-residential already in our zoning

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code, correct?

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So we're just determining here a code for the townhouse portion of this community residential

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district.

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Is that correct?

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It's you're creating a code for the community residential district as a whole, which could

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include those various types of residential uses that you just described.

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But yes, there is nothing in the code right now that addresses town home, town home specifically.

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So as drafted, the regulations are heavily written to accommodate four town homes because

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that's not addressed in the code at the moment.

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But the code does have the single family and the multi already part of that.

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So we don't need to be modifying or developing that at all.

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That's already in place.

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It's in place what it is going to be modified at the future days.

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Another aspect not related to this is that we are working on modifying the single-family districts. So that is right behind this. So we're creating townhomes because they don't exist. And then we're going to be modifying the single-family residential. Both of those then in their new form would apply to this district. So my goal tonight would be to leave here giving you

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direction on how to codify this townhouse portion of this community

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residential. We would appreciate the direction. Regardless of whatever direction we

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get, whatever level of direction we get, there will be a code for you to

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vote on at your December planning and zoning board meeting. Thank you. So more

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direction than better. Absolutely. All right, so with that said staff

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presentation on community residential public input summary.

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I'll come up here

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because the remote control is here, which makes it easier.

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I don't want to steal it.

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Thank you all very much.

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I'm going to try to be brief.

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This is a lengthy presentation,

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but the way I've looked at it, I figure,

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if we can agree that what we heard is what we heard.

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There's probably no reason

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unless you really want you to go and dissect

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each and every survey that was done.

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So again, we're going to review that.

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There'll be a presentation, another presentation,

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discussion, and hopefully we get to the end of this thing,

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and we've got a little bit of direction.

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Like we said in the previous workshop, we're kind of working down this, this multi-step path.

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We've got ourselves into almost the fourth step where we're attempting to build consensus.

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And we're going to repeat that as often as we can to, so we feel that we can't gain any more consensus.

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And after listening to everything we've heard before and looking at where we are, I think we're very close to building consensus.

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My goal in these types of things is to say we can probably knock out 95% of the issues and then there'll probably be a 5% that are debatable or that we can argue about and I think that's a manageable thing to deal with and I think that's kind of what we're where we are at about now.

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What we were asked to do after the planning and zoning board meeting on September 19th, we were given pretty clear direction.

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We were to come back and summarize the public engagement and we were to come up with some principles

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by which the community residential zone could be written.

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And that was to be presented in a board meeting like this.

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Once approved, we were to work with the applicant collaboratively to come up with some type

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of representations of what that meant and present it to you to debate and see if we couldn't

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then develop a code from that.

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So what we've done in the interest of time because time is running short is we've

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If we've taken that simple presentation at your next meeting, and then the potential applicant is here tonight to present some graphics of what they think, how they can conform to the principles that we have.

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And depending on your debate tonight, we can take some of it, all of it or none of it, and come up with a code, and we will be doing that in short order after this.

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Just to reiterate with the land development processes, the fact of the matter is the legislative side of the process is putting, is the land use, and then you've got zoning.

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And the comprehensive plan was settled a while back before I got to town.

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And the comprehensive plan said that we're going to create this district, and this district would have townhomes.

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That's law, that's settled, we can't not conform to that because the comprehensive plan and

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And that lengthy process you went through before says to do it.

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So townhomes, we can't argue the fact that we're going to have a provision for

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townhomes, we have to have a provision for townhomes.

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They're going into the CR district.

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They do not have to be implemented, if an applicant were to come in and

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suggest they didn't want to take advantage of the townhomes.

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They could do something with multi-family or single-family, one or all.

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There's no requirement that they use it, but it's there.

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What would happen next after we get to the point where we actually have zoning regulations is that an applicant would come in and present an application.

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At that point in time, the application would be reviewed by staff and then reviewed by you and I think it would believe it would, after you get done with that, I don't think it goes to the City Council or the Village Council.

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So it would be approved, typically if it conforms to the zoning code without variances.

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It's hard not to approve it.

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After it gets its entitlement to be built, that you've approved it, it would get into the building department.

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And it would get building permits and inspections, and then ultimately a certificate of occupancy.

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The confusing part about this process that we're in right now is that we have one applicant for

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Or basically one site. And so we are not in the site planning stage, but what we heard through the public comments was we're having a hard time visualizing what the one applicant wanted to do. And so we've kind of almost taken the concept of the planned unit development approach, which is a collaborative approach to developing zoning where you work in just this situation. You work with one applicant. They tell you what they want to do and you kind of craft zoning around that so it's not as rigid.

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It makes a lot of sense in a situation like this because, again, there is only one applicant.

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It wouldn't make as much sense to not consider the one applicant and develop zoning that they could or could not do.

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And so that's why I thought you all were very, very astute at putting the collaborative approach together.

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So either way, I'm going to go through the principles very quickly and then you tell me if you want to go through the rest of it.

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I'm begging you not to tell me that because I think we've got a lot of hard work to do tonight with your, with the two presentations to come.

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So either way, we looked at the principles, they were abundantly clear, they, they,

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the good thing about this is we, we learned nothing new.

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These were almost exactly what we heard in the stakeholder meetings with the elected

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officials, with citizens, with you all.

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And we were able to kind of look at the comments that were made at the workshop,

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and look at the questions, look at the surveys, and all the above.

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And we were able to put together three broad categories of principles, the process,

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the character and the infrastructure, and our goal would be, obviously, to craft

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a zoning code around the principles that we're going to see here.

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So basically, the process, people wanted to see a fully transparent process.

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They wanted it to happen as quickly as possible, and they wanted significant public input.

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The public input should be from the stakeholder, the citizens of Miami Shores.

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It should be verifiable and audible, and I believe that our report shows you that what was said was said.

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It's verifiable and audible and cross-checkable with the surveys there.

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And I think it's undisputed that what was said was reported and listed in these principles.

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The resulting plan development should also adhere to the comprehensive plan.

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It's really got no choice.

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It has to adhere to the comprehensive plan, and that's what our zoning code would do.

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We can't exceed the issues that the comply.

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We can't exceed the density or anything that the comp plan says.

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We can go under that, but we can't go over it.

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The character is obviously very critical to the community because it's got a wonderful character.

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It's almost unique in Miami-Dade County and the simple fact is preserve the character.

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That's kind of an amorphous statement, but we kind of drill down a little bit more and

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it means ample green spaces and short compatibility with the community in the scale of the buildings,

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the aesthetic of the buildings, the cost of the units.

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It looks like we want a diversity in unit size, not a monochromatic one size fits all.

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Maintain consistency with a surrounding community, particularly in parking setbacks for

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front yards and landscaping.

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Critical because one of the assets of this community here, it's well landscaped, it's beautiful.

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It, again, is an oasis in the middle of what can be a largely treeless barren county.

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larger setbacks to provide for larger front yards, minimize the building mass as much as possible,

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and then properly buffer the single story homes.

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People also thought it was important that, if the development was to come in,

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that conform to the community's goals, that we have some flexibility in the area and

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a way to incentivize the conformance to those goals, which means flexibility.

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Infrastructure was also critical.

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Roads, parks, infrastructure should be public and shared by all.

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Road, rights of way should be consistent with others.

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In Miami shores, concurrent requirements should meet comprehensive plan standards.

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That's unquestionable, you can't not allow that.

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We won't get into concurrency, which means traffic or those types of things until the site plan comes in.

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And so what we're, the zoning has nothing to do with traffic.

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That is the next step at the site plan.

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And everybody will have another bite at this apple once a site plan comes in.

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And that's where their consultants and

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your staff will measure the exact development to the seven or

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11 or whichever concurrency criteria exist.

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Traffic, schools, water, sewer, those types of things.

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We want obviously to minimize traffic light noise pollution and then provide an interconnected

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street grid integrating with this thing roadway network.

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And so that's really the nuts and bolts of it.

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If I would suggest that if you wanted to delve deeper into who answered what or you disagree

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with some of those points that we can get in and kind of forensically digest what was said

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at the meeting, it looks to me it's pretty simple in the sense that we, this was not Earth

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We know.

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We, this confirms what was said before. And so with that, I would like to take any questions that you have, and then relinquish the podium to the next presentation, because I think that's where the hard work of this is going to happen.

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Fire away, questions from the board.

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I've got one. And part of your presentation, you have the, do you have it with you, the kind of the results from the workshop? Do you want to just kind of run down that?

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What kind of we concluded from the data that you collected?

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I'll go through.

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Do you stop me where you want me to spend more time?

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You have the table that looks like this with the results on it.

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Let me find it.

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I got a bunch of, is that in there?

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Yeah, rather than going through all of it.

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The table I think summarizes it.

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I'm going to find it.

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With what we feel the communities.

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That table?

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Let me see what table you got.

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Isn't this part of your, I believe this is, is that in the report, in the presentation?

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Then just maybe just discuss that for us a little bit.

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I mean, things with respect to, in my opinion, height,

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height, number of stories, maybe some setback, comments, those seem to be some of the big issues.

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Okay, so what we looked at here was let me go back to this one slide, so that everybody's we looked at one, two, three, four, five different areas of zoning categories that we'll need to address.

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Plot standards, density standards, building configuration, which considers setbacks and grouping of building expression in the public realm and those are in those broad categories.

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We fit a number of different things in and that's the aspects of zoning that we end up writing.

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And so we threw the feedback that we took again.

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I think we looked at a number of different things.

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We had stakeholders meetings.

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We had surveys.

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We had comment cards.

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We had email comments, by the way, of the website.

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And we went through all those and tally them all up and made spreadsheets of them and just figured

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out where we came out with the voting.

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And so we end up getting into some numbers that were suggested through all of this.

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And just to briefly talk about some of these numbers, we talked about a lot with.

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There wasn't a lot with necessarily listed, but if you looked at the survey,

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The result of that, some people wanted a 79.2-foot lot, I mean, you could say an 80-foot lot.

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So they were suggesting a lot with, they're looking at common open space instead of 20 percent.

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It went up, people would have wanted 39 percent.

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Private open space, instead of 10 percent, they would say 22 percent.

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A floor area ratio where we got close, the original suggestion was 0.65.

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The public comments came in at 0.7, dwelling unit size.

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The original suggestion was 1,200 square feet, the overall public comments were 1,400 square feet.

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Building height, the original suggestion is 35 and three stories, here it was 33.6 and 2.6 stories.

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So, front setbacks, the original, this is a critical one, I think this is the one I think where we have probably the most work to do.

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The original front setback that was suggested was 15 feet, the public wants more setback, they want on average 15 feet.

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So those are the types of things that we were looking at.

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Most of the other stuff is relatively in conformance with one another.

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I think we have debatable issues here on unit sizes, a lot with heights and particularly the front setbacks.

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I think that if, I think we nearly have consensus on all other, I mean, when it comes

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out, you're probably going to see 30 different zoning categories that are,

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a separate, apart from architectural standards, which are a little bit different.

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Probably a 30 different categories.

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We probably have five of those that we may not have a consensus on, or you may have

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a split opinion amongst yourself.

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And so I think that's what that exercises go through.

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The applicants here, they can show us what they plan to do.

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And then I think we kind of target those five things that interest you most and drill down into that and see if we can't develop a consensus.

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Is a five-foot setback adequate or is based on what they present?

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This is the great opportunity to have that a little bit of time.

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What we'll do next, depending on your direction, is that we'll digest all that stuff, and depending on the level of direction, the way I see it, it could go multiple ways.

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Hey, I love this stuff they presented. Get me one of those. Or that stuff's not really good. I need you to do a lot of that, but here are the five things I want you to work on and I want you to be closer to this. Or I hate it, go develop your own stuff and bring it back. Either way, you're getting something at your next meeting, and that's where the rubber hits the road. You're going to, unless you can figure out a way to not vote on it, you'll be voting on something. So we will be doing a lot of horse trading. The less direction we get today.

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Right, so it would be more consensus you five can develop, the easier life will be in December.

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And that's like two days before Christmas, so, very Christmas.

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Thank you, you're welcome.

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So with that, the next item on my agenda is the Berry University presentation.

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Thank you, and we have a PowerPoint as well if we can pull that up.

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Thank you.

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Perfect.

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Good evening for the record, Leana Kuzlowski with Shubin Law Group offices at 100 South East Second Street.

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Let me just say, I am very happy to be here tonight on behalf of Lennar Homes.

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And I'm grateful to this board, to Mr. Quaredino and the entire staff for just giving us the opportunity to present.

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Before I jump into the PowerPoint, I do want to do some brief introductions just so

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So you all know, and the members of the community know who's also in the room with me tonight.

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I am joined by Carolina Herrera, she is the vice president of land acquisitions for Lennar.

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And Susan Rosenfall is also here tonight.

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She is the vice president of business and finance for Barry University.

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You all have probably seen them at multiple public hearings over the last two and a half years.

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They've been involved in that process with me.

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They've also been involved in imagining a development concept for this site for

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longer than that for probably three, almost four years at this point.

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I want to make one other introduction because this is who you're going to be hearing from quite a bit tonight.

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My colleague Francisco Garcia, he is going to present alongside me.

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Many of you may know Francisco, he's the former Planning and Zoning Director for the City of Miami.

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He is a planner, an urban designer, and an architect by training.

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He's also a principal at the Euclid Group, which is a land use consulting firm that works very closely with my firm.

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And Francisco's been very helpful in the last nine months as we've re-evaluated the site and really tried to study planning and zoning concepts.

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and prepare for this meeting today.

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For the community, I just want to set the table.

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We're here tonight to present visuals

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that we're hoping is going to help you understand

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some of these zoning concepts

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and help the board get closer to making a decision specifically

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on the community residential district.

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Just as a reminder,

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that district,

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this entire area in red,

428
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,020
This is 23 and a half acres.

429
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:36,520
This is the only property in Miami shores that is designated community district residential.

430
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,280
So the zoning code that we're here tonight to talk about,

431
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:45,100
this is the only property that is going to be subject to that zoning code.

432
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:51,300
With those facts in mind and the fact that we've had the property owner,

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00:43:55,080 --> 00:44:15,860
at the table now, working in good faith for close to three years at this point, I think it's absolutely appropriate and a good use of the villages resources to be collaborative at this point. So once again, I'm really just saying thank you for allowing us to be here tonight.

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I also want to take the opportunity to thank the members of the community who have been

435
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:26,920
very helpful to us and provided quite a bit of input, especially in the last six to nine months.

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00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,940
And that includes members of the Chamber of Commerce.

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00:44:30,620 --> 00:44:32,900
We've met with the Board from Doctors Charter.

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00:44:33,580 --> 00:44:38,660
We've met with a lot of moms in the village who I know are eager to see Park Space on this site.

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00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:43,540
And of course we've met with the Council members and you, the Planning and Zoning Board.

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00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:49,860
It's been a long journey, but we're particularly proud of where we are today.

441
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:53,340
And we're thankful for that input.

442
00:44:54,420 --> 00:44:59,980
I heard some comments earlier that I just want to address to remind people of the history for this site.

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00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:29,840
We will recall that when we started the comprehensive planning process, we really just wanted to restore the mixed use designation for this site. And we heard loud and clear from the community that nobody wanted to see mixed use on this site or in the village. So we went back to the drawing board. We then explored multifamily and at one point in time we were giving presentations to the community where we were showing a mix of town homes.

444
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:36,980
and multi-family units that would have taken the development up to 600 units in total.

445
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:41,880
And we heard once again from the community that is not what they wanted to see.

446
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:49,220
So to Barry University's credit, Linar's credit, they went back to the drawing board yet again,

447
00:45:49,540 --> 00:45:56,180
and gave the community what they asked for, a site that only proposes townhomes.

448
00:45:56,180 --> 00:46:02,360
and we've gone a step further and we're only proposing 277 townhomes.

449
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:09,100
So that would come in under the allowable density, which is 13 dwelling units an acre for townhomes.

450
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,520
All of that said, we are not here tonight to present a site plan.

451
00:46:15,180 --> 00:46:16,900
We don't want to be very clear on that point.

452
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:22,040
We can't get into any of that fun stuff yet because we do not have a zoning code.

453
00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:24,620
We need to get that in place first.

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00:46:24,620 --> 00:46:38,220
We're simply here tonight to show you illustrations and graphics of a conceptual plan that we believe is within the parameters of what we've heard from the community so far.

455
00:46:38,660 --> 00:46:44,480
It's also a plan that allows us to deliver on a significant community benefits package.

456
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:50,000
That includes, and I heard comments earlier about needed land for doctors charter.

457
00:46:50,980 --> 00:47:00,620
That includes a significant amount of open green space within the plan itself, as you'll see on some of those slides that Francisco presents.

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00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:07,980
And public park space, which has been a big deal and frequent comment over the years.

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00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:14,340
The final comment I'll make before turning this over to Francisco, because I do see on

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00:47:14,340 --> 00:47:19,620
the agenda that there's a presentation from you, Mr. Bolton, and I believe you have some

461
00:47:19,620 --> 00:47:22,540
images from a project in Durral.

462
00:47:22,820 --> 00:47:25,720
So I want to set the record clear on that project.

463
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:33,160
As you rightfully observe, there's quite a few architectural styles going on in that community,

464
00:47:33,580 --> 00:47:34,740
at least four.

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00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:40,320
That was a development, a joint development by Lanar Homes and CC Homes.

466
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,780
So a lot of what you're seeing there is not something that is a Lanar product, first and foremost.

467
00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:51,960
That said, if there are components in that presentation that you as a board or

468
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,380
the community gravitate toward, we can certainly entertain those concepts.

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00:47:56,980 --> 00:48:00,480
That was also a community with over a hundred acres,

470
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:10,100
there's 1,300 homes, multi-family, so there's a lot to unpack there and I just want to make that clear as you get into that presentation.

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00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,700
With that, I will turn the presentation over to Francisco.

472
00:48:22,780 --> 00:48:35,560
Thank you, Liana, Mr. Chair, board members, Francisco Garcia, principal with the Euclid group at 100 Southeast Secondary and downtown Miami.

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00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:50,220
I am pleased to be here with you tonight to show you the results of a rather collaborative process that has taken place over the last nine months.

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00:48:50,220 --> 00:49:20,020
I know the process precedes me in my participation in this project, but certainly the last nine months have been intensive and we have some images, some concepts that we would love to share with you, which I believe respond well, not only to, of course, the parameters of the land use designation captured in the zoning plan, which is in the comprehensive plan, which is essential, but also, I think, to many of the concerns that have been expressed here today.

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and hopefully you will see that.

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00:49:30,540 --> 00:49:34,820
It has been stated and I am mindful of the time constraints.

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00:49:35,020 --> 00:49:38,340
I will try to go quickly, but certainly please stop me.

478
00:49:39,140 --> 00:49:41,260
If there's anything that merits additional detail.

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00:49:42,860 --> 00:49:49,940
So the site, as I mentioned before, is a 23 and

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00:49:49,940 --> 00:49:59,240
somewhat acres in size and area and it is basically the western most component of the

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00:49:59,240 --> 00:49:59,920
a very universal...

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00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:11,540
You see campus, you see there the location, it is immediately adjacent to I-95, and it borders to the north with the village boundary of the village of Miami shores.

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00:50:19,230 --> 00:50:25,150
You see this site there, and I'm going to have to put on my glasses. I can't quite see the image myself.

484
00:50:28,980 --> 00:50:39,760
You see the site there. And this is, again, to highlight the point that what you see in red is the boundary of the village of Miami shores.

485
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:49,160
It, of course, extends further southeast, but the site occupies the northwest end of Miami shores.

486
00:50:53,400 --> 00:51:00,260
This is the Bayer University campus, which, of course, includes the site, but the

487
00:51:00,260 --> 00:51:05,200
portions that you don't see highlighted would be proposed for redevelopments.

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00:51:07,250 --> 00:51:13,310
I-95, of course, is the major vehicular connection point going north-south,

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And it is conveniently located immediately butting the site and so access to the site or access to anywhere else that one wants to go to from the site would be ready and close.

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00:51:29,610 --> 00:51:35,190
You see also that the site is located and will served by major arterials in the year of vicinity.

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00:51:38,110 --> 00:51:45,080
These are the unenough ramps for mind-and-five, again, close proximity to the site, and what

492
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,960
you see in green here is decided self that is being considered for development.

493
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:54,180
Now, I put it in context this way because we understand that although not at present,

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00:51:54,340 --> 00:52:04,560
as part of his zoning ordinance exercise, traffic and traffic management is going to be a concern.

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00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,100
It is already a concern, it's expressed by some of your audience here today.

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00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:14,220
some of your constituents, but we believe the site is uniquely positioned for us to be

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00:52:14,220 --> 00:52:15,480
able to handle those issues well.

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00:52:20,340 --> 00:52:29,480
This is the portion of the sites that is being considered as an annex to the charter

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00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,240
schools, the doctor's charter school.

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00:52:33,140 --> 00:52:38,620
And what I will show you in the images to follow is that the approach we've taken to the

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00:52:38,620 --> 00:52:51,700
The entire site is a very generously greened canopied landscape approach with particular

502
00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:55,680
retention to what I would categorize as the public realm.

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00:52:55,860 --> 00:53:00,660
With particular retention to net only quality of five feet also attention to how the site

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00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:03,580
is inhabited and how one can traverse through the site.

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00:53:04,260 --> 00:53:08,260
And so what you see there in green, and I'm sorry there are two screens that I'm working

506
00:53:08,260 --> 00:53:14,400
I believe you'll see it as well, can't quite make the pointer reach that, but for the audience here,

507
00:53:14,780 --> 00:53:20,460
what you see there in the darker green are the various boulevards, the various linear parks,

508
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:27,380
the various open areas that are not developed per se, but are left as open spaces wide open to the public.

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00:53:27,780 --> 00:53:32,620
I should emphasize, as I had mentioned before, someone raised the concern earlier that this is not intended to be,

510
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,360
nor will it be a gated community, that is certainly a commitment that has been made.

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00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:45,320
It will be open and traversable by the public, and it is being enhanced so as to be a positive contributor to the village.

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00:53:48,010 --> 00:54:03,550
And, again, under the heading of traffic, traffic management, et cetera, what I've highlighted here in these four golden dots that you see on the screen are the sole access points to the site.

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00:54:03,550 --> 00:54:11,850
Now, we've heard, in the feedback we've received over the months, that there are sort of two

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00:54:11,850 --> 00:54:19,310
approaches. One is, and as an urbanist, I can certainly sympathize, that the sites should be

515
00:54:19,310 --> 00:54:23,670
fully integrated and that the rights of way the streets themselves should penetrate through

516
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:28,710
the site and cross it over so that it would be properly integrated into the fabric of the village

517
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:34,030
of Miami shores. The approach we've taken here, I think, is one worth considering, again,

518
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:40,070
conceptually. By restricting the number of access points to the site, one also begins

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00:54:40,070 --> 00:54:47,290
to direct traffic both incoming and outgoing to the arterials where the major arterials

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00:54:47,290 --> 00:54:52,390
that conduct the flow of traffic into the points of closest proximity to the major infrastructure

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00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:55,230
that will take that traffic northbound, southbound,

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00:54:55,370 --> 00:54:57,750
or elsewhere in the county.

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00:54:58,770 --> 00:54:59,970
And in so-

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00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:29,720
We're doing one minimizes the traffic conflict points, and therefore traffic flows more easily, what you will not see, and there are images that will sort more clearly, but it is important to know, as I think a valuable concept in this proposal, are driveways, right, that lead up to the front doors of each of the town homes that we are going to propose, because those, again, would be disruptors, right, to the flow of traffic as we've heard the concern.

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00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:33,520
and expressed. Again, more images to show in a moment.

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That is the location of the site.

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00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,560
In red, you see the boundary of the village of Miami Shores,

528
00:55:46,210 --> 00:55:47,710
and I'm going to close in

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00:55:47,710 --> 00:55:51,850
on the site. You see that it's present state of all the land that is being conceptualized

530
00:55:51,850 --> 00:56:00,770
for development is either paved over as a tarmac for parking cars or otherwise undeveloped

531
00:56:00,770 --> 00:56:03,530
and in a vacant state, right?

532
00:56:03,690 --> 00:56:04,870
So nothing is being replaced.

533
00:56:05,550 --> 00:56:07,830
What we hope to do with this amount of land

534
00:56:07,830 --> 00:56:11,750
that is available is to develop it as part

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00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:13,870
of an already vibrant community

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00:56:13,870 --> 00:56:16,030
and a complimentary aspect to it as well.

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00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:22,160
Important to note, the site itself will be surrounded

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00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,480
by the following zoning designations.

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00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,100
The zoning designations allow them

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00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:28,540
for the kind of development that could happen there.

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00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,480
Here in, as one special district one,

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00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,260
which is the Barry University Campus,

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00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,800
you can have the sort of development that you see

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00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,400
elsewhere in the Barry University Campus,

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00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,200
various institutional buildings, et cetera,

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00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:41,080
as you would expect.

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00:56:43,460 --> 00:56:47,860
Elsewhere within the Miami Shores component

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00:56:47,860 --> 00:56:49,800
of this immediate neighborhood,

549
00:56:50,580 --> 00:56:52,000
you see two zoning designations.

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00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,860
You see A1, which is itself a multifamily zoning designation

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00:56:56,860 --> 00:56:59,480
within Miami Shores, immediately to the south

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00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:00,880
of the western portion of the site.

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00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:08,980
And you see R12.5, a single-family residential zoning designation.

554
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:13,620
And that is to the south of the eastern portion of the site.

555
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:20,760
What I will show you in a moment are a few drawings that show what this tragedy would be to respond positively

556
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:25,780
and complementarily to these different abiding conditions, whether it's A1 to the west or

557
00:57:25,780 --> 00:57:28,920
R12.5 to the east of the site.

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00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:38,620
Elsewhere, and this is now Miami-Dade County, you have West of I-95, this very intense,

559
00:57:38,620 --> 00:57:42,560
very desolate designation, which allows for a variety of uses, but it's mostly industrial

560
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:48,020
these days. Curiously, immediately to the north, you have a business district, right?

561
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,960
So our frontage to the north, the site's frontage to the north, will be to this business district

562
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,840
in Miami-Dade County. I know here there is, of course, a school.

563
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,880
Well, and then you have some lower-density residential areas.

564
00:58:01,020 --> 00:58:03,180
Again, that's just to provide a bit of context.

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00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:08,060
Now, I wanted to highlight this point.

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00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,900
This happens to be a block to the south of the site.

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00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,820
The site would be here to the north of 113th Street.

568
00:58:17,340 --> 00:58:21,900
What you see here and what I wanted to highlight for everyone is that the typical block,

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00:58:22,060 --> 00:58:25,800
or a typical type of block within Miami Shorts, and elsewhere also in Miami-Date County,

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00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,980
It's a very sort of suburban pattern.

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00:58:28,860 --> 00:58:33,240
What you have is the open space, the green space,

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00:58:33,420 --> 00:58:36,400
the canopy space is relegated to the back yard.

573
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,280
And in consequence, it is actually private space.

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00:58:40,460 --> 00:58:41,700
The public does not enjoy it.

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00:58:41,780 --> 00:58:45,400
It is for the joy of exclusively the residents

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00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,840
of each of these single family residences.

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00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,640
And what you have then in the front,

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00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,340
fronting the street, the public rail properly, right?

579
00:58:55,340 --> 00:59:01,260
the right of way, what you have in the front are, yes, the front yards, and that goes to the

580
00:59:01,260 --> 00:59:08,120
issue of setback, but each of those is either partially or in some instances rather significantly

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00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:14,440
paved over for the various types of driveways that you see there, with remarkably little canopy

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00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:19,740
or vegetation or even landscaping. Right now, that varies from zone to zone, but I'm simply showing

583
00:59:19,740 --> 00:59:25,240
you here a block that happens to be very close and proximity to the site, and what I invite you to

584
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:30,840
consider for a moment is that the greenery, the open space, really is private and limited

585
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:37,700
for the use of the individual residents, not really populating and enhancing the public

586
00:59:37,700 --> 00:59:43,180
space. Here's another block immediately to the south of the eastern portion of the site.

587
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,980
This one is of a different configuration, but also very typical here in the village of

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00:59:46,980 --> 00:59:52,320
Miami shores. In this particular case, you also have a front yard, right? That's where

589
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:57,960
the setback is, it sets it back from the streets, and again, it's dotted as you would expect

590
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,720
by the various driveways each of which

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01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,800
We need to the parking garage. And in the rear, again, a Miami shores sort of trademark urbanist move, you have an alleyway, which is intended to serve mostly functional items, such as the collection of waste, et cetera. But once again, in terms of landscape areas, in terms of public space that is enhanced or otherwise adorned,

592
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:35,220
by greenery, there is comparatively little of that, even less so here since the backyards

593
01:00:35,220 --> 01:00:36,140
are rather compressed.

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01:00:37,020 --> 01:00:43,420
So that is by way of context, and again, it's our approach or sort of academic approach

595
01:00:43,420 --> 01:00:49,820
if you will to try to address the issues of how do we enhance, how do we create a community

596
01:00:49,820 --> 01:00:52,260
that is well enmeshed into its context.

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01:00:52,260 --> 01:00:53,360
So,

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01:00:56,780 --> 01:01:12,980
we are as previously described by Mr. Corardino in a curious situation because we are not at a point where we can design necessarily a specific site plan that will come later once we understand what the regulations provide for and what our parameters really specifically are.

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01:01:13,420 --> 01:01:19,940
However, this is intended as a proof of concept of how one might develop the site.

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01:01:20,540 --> 01:01:22,740
A couple of points I wanted to make right of the bat.

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01:01:23,340 --> 01:01:31,520
In terms of density, and by density, of course, I mean the number of dwelling units per acre that's the measure of density.

602
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:38,700
The density proposed here with these 277 units, which, again, sounds like a big number.

603
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,480
Let's remember this is a big site, right?

604
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,920
23 and a half acres thereabouts.

605
01:01:44,380 --> 01:01:50,940
That density, as proposed, would be roughly 12 units per acre, which is 10 to the amount,

606
01:01:50,940 --> 01:01:55,140
exactly that amount to the density of a duplex residential area.

607
01:01:55,780 --> 01:02:01,920
And I say this and it's important to highlight it because I've heard feedback throughout

608
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:08,280
this process that manifests some concern with extreme density, very cluttered spaces and

609
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:08,800
so forth.

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01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:14,200
And so what I want to remind by quantifying what the density is here is that we are really

611
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:20,920
proposing a limited number of units that basically corresponds to what is a duplex

612
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:26,560
Inplex residential condition, which happens to be comparatively less dense to the one immediately to the south.

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01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:33,140
And a little bit denser than the one immediately to the south here on the eastern side of the side.

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01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:39,720
What I wanted to show also in this table, and again, this to the point of parking and

615
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:48,780
how one might handle parking in such a condition, is that there is not only space to fit as many parking spaces as required by all the units provided.

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01:02:48,780 --> 01:02:56,180
And what you see there is that each unit has its own designated parking garage with capacity for two spaces as required.

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01:02:56,620 --> 01:03:03,920
But in addition to that, there's going to be space for visitors, that is going to be available along the streets.

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01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:09,540
And in excess of the requirements, in addition to the spaces available for visitors,

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01:03:09,540 --> 01:03:14,880
the requirement happens to be one space per ten units for the entire site.

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01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:21,280
There will be also above and beyond that space available for the public in general in those which you see here in red

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01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:28,660
Again, conceptually would be located around the open green spaces the park itself

622
01:03:28,660 --> 01:03:31,240
So you see the red spaces here. Hopefully it's not too small

623
01:03:32,500 --> 01:03:40,310
This is a little bit larger and I think you see it here. This is sort of a zoom in of the Western component of the site

624
01:03:41,130 --> 01:03:46,870
And you see here in red various spaces, again, hovering around the open spaces, the green

625
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:47,210
spaces.

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01:03:47,390 --> 01:03:48,410
You see ample greenery.

627
01:03:49,130 --> 01:03:52,950
Imagine what your sea green landscape can't repeat areas.

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01:03:53,470 --> 01:03:54,570
That's certainly the intent.

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01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:03,080
And this is the, it occurs to us that this is the ideal location for a linear park that

630
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,080
would be provided roughly an acre and a half.

631
01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:08,980
And the reason for that is twofold, one.

632
01:04:09,860 --> 01:04:36,860
It happens to be immediately across 112 theras from the single-family residential area to the south, so that's the only condition where we actually front a single-family residential zone, and there is an ample buffer here by virtue of this parking you'll see it in section how generous that is, and in addition parking is provided which you see here in red ample parking so that visitors can park there if they come to visit it, which we hope they will.

633
01:04:36,860 --> 01:04:41,960
So, we actually hope that many of the people who come will come either walking or in their bicycles,

634
01:04:41,980 --> 01:04:48,140
but if they come in the car, which is usual these days, then certainly there will be ample opportunity for

635
01:04:48,140 --> 01:04:49,920
them to park without inconvenience.

636
01:04:51,140 --> 01:04:59,460
All right, so now a few images intended to address some of the points that have been properly raised.

637
01:04:59,460 --> 01:04:59,980
Uh...

638
01:05:00,050 --> 01:05:29,650
By your staff, and certainly are of concern to the public. Issues of scale, issues of contextuality, harmonization of the site with its context, with its surrounding area, right. What you see here on the far right of the image, and you'll see it there as well, is the allowed messing size of a single family residence in the village of Miami shores.

639
01:05:29,650 --> 01:05:34,870
Now, clearly, not every single family residence is two stories, but it could be.

640
01:05:35,830 --> 01:05:41,590
And clearly, not every single family residence that is two stories goes all the way up to 35 feet, but it could.

641
01:05:42,570 --> 01:05:50,990
And so what we wanted to do is we wanted to ensure that in approaching the design of the town homes,

642
01:05:51,490 --> 01:05:58,510
we would contextualize all the recognizing that the single family residence will be at a distance as you'll see in a moment.

643
01:05:58,510 --> 01:06:03,310
And we wanted to contextualize the massing, the scale, the height, the setbacks, as you'll see,

644
01:06:03,930 --> 01:06:07,050
to that which is already allowed and existing in closed vicinity.

645
01:06:07,570 --> 01:06:07,930
And so,

646
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:14,120
let's use this as a measuring stick in terms of context.

647
01:06:14,820 --> 01:06:27,040
The 40-foot height that is allowed by the comprehensive plan is probably not going to be reached by the buildings that one would propose.

648
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:34,580
Because nor is it necessary, because in a three-story context, which is the maximum that one would want to have here,

649
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:44,620
there will be three-story townhomes, there will be two-story townhomes, as you see here, 40 feet would create a ceiling planum that is probably entirely too high.

650
01:06:45,060 --> 01:06:56,160
We do want to reserve some margin to allow for topographical conditions, perhaps some flooding situations that might invite one to increase the height of the residents.

651
01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:03,260
But 40 feet is certainly an abundant amount of height to be considered.

652
01:07:04,580 --> 01:07:08,140
And so, and I'll be quick about this.

653
01:07:09,220 --> 01:07:14,320
These are two types of townhomes that could properly be topulating the site.

654
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:19,280
This one at two stories would top off at about 29 feet.

655
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:25,920
Again, under the maximum allowed height for a single family residence elsewhere in Miami shores.

656
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:36,460
And here, at the three-level proposal, 36 feet is about the top of the region, about the maximum range that one would want to aspire.

657
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:43,920
These are the sky view terraces. Again, a feature of many residences in Miami shores as I will show you in a moment.

658
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:49,900
And we think it's certainly an incentive that adds to the quality and the value of the residences proposed here.

659
01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:51,000
I

660
01:07:54,610 --> 01:08:04,410
will next show you a handful of images that will at the top show you a section and at the bottom a plan view

661
01:08:04,410 --> 01:08:12,730
of how these townhome clusters could be situated and configured and how they respond to the space around them.

662
01:08:13,350 --> 01:08:19,510
What you see here is a configuration that has in the yellowish ochre color the townhomes,

663
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:28,910
So that we want to 3, 4, 5 in dark lines you see the separating walls between each of the town homes.

664
01:08:29,710 --> 01:08:45,890
What you see in the rear, and this is the rear of these properties, are these alleyways that we are proposing to create rather in the property that would provide rear access to each town home and also provide for servicing, so waste collection, et cetera.

665
01:08:45,890 --> 01:08:50,830
What you will not see in the front of the properties, as I mentioned previously, are

666
01:08:50,830 --> 01:08:57,330
driveways, because in every single instance, the front incandition will be to essentially

667
01:08:57,330 --> 01:09:02,610
a sidewalk, a pedestrian environment, and green spaces, some with amenities, some passive,

668
01:09:02,930 --> 01:09:07,890
in this case you have a pool and a cabana, but you will see other examples where we have

669
01:09:08,490 --> 01:09:11,890
passive green spaces that, once again, are publicly accessible.

670
01:09:11,890 --> 01:09:15,890
And the same thing happens across on the other side.

671
01:09:16,010 --> 01:09:24,610
And so you will see this pattern, please note that there is ample space separating this particular cluster for the one that would go up above it.

672
01:09:28,430 --> 01:09:39,790
And so as a detail, and now to the polling or the question of setbacks, what we you see here is what we're conceptualizing might work well.

673
01:09:39,790 --> 01:09:45,490
And the setback proposed, and I think this had been mentioned previously, is a 15-foot setback,

674
01:09:45,830 --> 01:09:53,290
there might be, in some instances, a porch or a stoop that encroaches by at most five feet.

675
01:09:53,770 --> 01:09:59,970
You see now a clear open to the sky 10-foot setback.

676
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:09,660
Back in when I say a porch that might encroach, it would encroach only for a certain portion of the site, and I'm necessarily the entire lot itself. And, right,

677
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:38,020
so there it is. And the other thing I wanted to note is that you will see that that is the minimal sort of setback condition that would be here. And there are instances where the townhome itself recedes further back and gives more space as well. Because the idea is not to have

678
01:10:38,020 --> 01:10:45,140
a monolithic uniform wall of townhomes, the idea very much is to have a place, a play rather,

679
01:10:45,380 --> 01:10:51,220
of the facades that are currently in or currently out, and provide that texture and

680
01:10:51,220 --> 01:10:56,480
variety that I think is desirable, not only in terms of depth and where the facade

681
01:10:56,480 --> 01:11:01,140
is located, but also in terms of height, some two stories, some three stories, and a mix

682
01:11:01,140 --> 01:11:01,840
of all of that.

683
01:11:02,020 --> 01:11:06,260
Again, giving it that sort of texture and vibrancy that I think is desirable in the

684
01:11:06,260 --> 01:11:08,560
interplay with the landscaping as well.

685
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:12,200
Here's another condition.

686
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:14,400
Again, I want to highlight that some will be three

687
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,080
and some will be two stories in height.

688
01:11:17,140 --> 01:11:19,080
Again, that interplay that you've seen before.

689
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:25,540
And again, the rear-loaded sort of alley-serviced vehicle entry

690
01:11:25,540 --> 01:11:29,400
with a promenade or a greenway

691
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,400
in front of the property itself.

692
01:11:33,220 --> 01:11:34,660
This happens just to point it out.

693
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,800
This happens to be here at the core of the site

694
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:51,740
on the eastern parcel. This one now fronts on a public street. And here, once again, you

695
01:11:51,740 --> 01:11:58,500
see, in this case, greater than 15 feet, 17 feet, as a setback, because again, the space

696
01:11:58,500 --> 01:12:02,420
exists for us to be able to provide a more generous setback there.

697
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:06,880
So it would be a 17.5 foot

698
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:12,780
setback, six-foot sidewalk, the sidewalk also grows, and the sidewalk again is the

699
01:12:12,780 --> 01:12:17,820
delineating point, right? The sidewalk lives in the public realm, and there is a property

700
01:12:17,820 --> 01:12:22,760
line or a lot line that happens immediately after the sidewalk itself. And the sidewalk

701
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,220
is the front door access to the residence.

702
01:12:27,890 --> 01:12:30,930
The soil, please note, also is rather generous,

703
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:37,590
and so that is a 16-foot soil that separates even the sidewalk. This is now public realm from

704
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:39,090
the paved street itself.

705
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:45,840
Another example, this one on the south of the west parcel.

706
01:12:47,950 --> 01:12:50,410
Another example, this one actually fronts to the north.

707
01:12:50,990 --> 01:12:57,630
And so in effect, what this entire neighborhood would become is a transition,

708
01:12:57,710 --> 01:13:02,330
or even a buffer, if you will, between the well-established, low-density residential areas

709
01:13:02,330 --> 01:13:08,830
to the south, and the more dens and higher intensity areas to the north.

710
01:13:08,830 --> 01:13:17,110
on the other side of the village of Miami Shore's boundary, now unincorporated Miami-Dade County.

711
01:13:20,450 --> 01:13:23,130
And I believe this is the last one of these images.

712
01:13:23,610 --> 01:13:30,650
I wanted to show you what the section would look like, where the linear park is located, right?

713
01:13:30,750 --> 01:13:34,990
And so you'll see it here in the sort of bird's-eye view plan.

714
01:13:34,990 --> 01:13:42,370
This would be the portion of the site that immediately fronts the single-family residential neighborhood to the south.

715
01:13:43,450 --> 01:13:45,110
And what you see,

716
01:13:49,010 --> 01:13:55,750
as we introduce the measurements, is a significant distance between,

717
01:13:56,710 --> 01:14:02,190
let's set aside for a moment, a 22-foot wide street itself paved street.

718
01:14:02,190 --> 01:14:08,350
There is an eight-foot verge or soil area between the street and the sidewalk.

719
01:14:08,850 --> 01:14:15,690
There is an 80-foot park with sidewalks framing it at either end, 80 feet deep, an additional

720
01:14:15,690 --> 01:14:20,210
13 feet of, again, open green space.

721
01:14:20,730 --> 01:14:26,710
And then you have the property line, the lot line itself, and then an additional 15-foot

722
01:14:26,710 --> 01:14:31,970
setback before you get to the actual facade of the townhome.

723
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:42,410
Again, a sizable distancing from the residential area, single-family residential area across the street.

724
01:14:43,050 --> 01:14:48,650
And I wanted to highlight as well, so that's 115 feet from the street in a total of, and

725
01:14:48,650 --> 01:14:50,770
I can't quite see it, so you probably can't see either.

726
01:14:50,770 --> 01:14:56,750
but it's approximately 150 odd feet before you get to the

727
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:58,890
property line of the properties across the street.

728
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:59,970
That's sizable.

729
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:28,780
So, please remember that the intent is to have the area as you see here represented, canopy, landscape, greenery, et cetera. So, I think rather a comfortable buffer between the proposed townhomes and the single-family residences immediately to the south. Now, in terms of design, aesthetic, scale, messing, which I understand to be a proper concern by the community.

730
01:15:28,780 --> 01:15:39,580
The approach we've thought of is not necessarily to mimic the historic style of the village of Miami shores.

731
01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:49,380
It seems to us that it might be an affectation to actually consider the sort of barrel-tile roofs and sort of gable roofs, et cetera.

732
01:15:49,380 --> 01:15:58,280
We are compelled to maybe borrow a page from the more contemporary, it's still traditional,

733
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:03,620
but more contemporary architecturalistic that is certainly manifest throughout the village

734
01:16:03,620 --> 01:16:04,360
of Miami shores.

735
01:16:05,140 --> 01:16:08,720
And what you see here are some of the elements that we are tapping into and borrowing, right?

736
01:16:09,300 --> 01:16:16,960
Certainly a stuccoed facade of light colors, certainly a scorched stucco as an accent, the

737
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,540
the single-pane windows, lightly glazed,

738
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:28,740
a pitched roof, a hip roof that might be low in pitch

739
01:16:28,740 --> 01:16:32,860
and have flat tiles, typically a dark color for contrast.

740
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:38,940
That is, again, an attempt to adjust your toeward,

741
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,380
fitting in and contextualizing and harmonizing

742
01:16:41,900 --> 01:16:44,520
the proposal to the surrounding neighborhood.

743
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:51,900
Again, another example from this one, we take and we mimic the veranda that you see here

744
01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:58,060
on the second level, and you might see here, in this case, that a third level or here

745
01:16:58,060 --> 01:17:04,000
are nice, the balcony, again, to provide texture, to provide articulation of those facades

746
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:10,660
as opposed to having them read as a monotone sort of monolithic wall.

747
01:17:10,660 --> 01:17:11,820
low

748
01:17:16,110 --> 01:17:23,890
hip grooves, dark colored flat tile, verticality in the

749
01:17:23,890 --> 01:17:28,650
fenestration in the windows, light glazing as opposed to maybe a darker glazing that you see here.

750
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:31,510
The light glazing is preferred in our case.

751
01:17:32,890 --> 01:17:39,690
And again, wherever possible and frequently the porches, the verandas, the sky terraces,

752
01:17:39,970 --> 01:17:44,250
because that is part of living in South Florida and that is what makes for quality of light.

753
01:17:44,250 --> 01:17:55,770
So, in closing, this is an attempt to certainly take into consideration, certainly incorporate

754
01:17:55,770 --> 01:18:00,170
the feedback that we've been receiving from your staff and from various members of the community

755
01:18:00,170 --> 01:18:04,010
that we've met with over the last nine months. Certainly, we've heard from the public as well.

756
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:08,230
We understand that the bar has been said high by the village of Miami-Schorps.

757
01:18:08,230 --> 01:18:17,810
We understand that nothing but premium quality is expected, and this is our best attempt so far to rise to that level.

758
01:18:18,010 --> 01:18:29,250
That said, we understand that this is preliminary and conceptual, and we look forward to further guidance from you to get us to our goal, which is to complete this piece of the puzzle for the village of Miami Shorts.

759
01:18:29,470 --> 01:18:29,750
Thank you.

760
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:30,710
Thank you.

761
01:18:31,250 --> 01:18:41,410
Now, please, please state, I'd like if that's okay to see if there's any questions from my board to the presenter on any of the issues.

762
01:18:50,230 --> 01:18:53,370
So, Francisco, thank you for the presentation, and Liana as well.

763
01:18:54,030 --> 01:18:55,110
Just a couple of questions.

764
01:18:56,370 --> 01:19:04,650
I noticed that you were proposing 15 foot setbacks and 17, I think you said 17.5 foot setbacks at one of the perimeter roads.

765
01:19:05,490 --> 01:19:10,690
Are you pulling away from the five-foot setbacks that you would show elsewhere on that site plan?

766
01:19:11,370 --> 01:19:17,590
The site plan is conceptualized presently, really begins to frame itself nicely around those measures.

767
01:19:17,890 --> 01:19:19,290
So that's very much the intent.

768
01:19:19,470 --> 01:19:24,190
Any of the regulations where to show that, that is something that we are programmed to be able to comply with.

769
01:19:24,850 --> 01:19:34,290
And just forgive me the insistence, but I want to certainly highlight that those 15 feet would be measured to the lot line itself.

770
01:19:34,290 --> 01:19:41,370
And beyond that, of course, exists the sidewalk diverge, which gives additional distance from any of the streets or any of the surrounding conditions.

771
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:52,920
So just to clarify, because I realize that the site plan is conceptual, and it's not something you're going to continue to iterate on until we have a zoning code.

772
01:19:53,380 --> 01:19:59,440
But that site plan that was presented did have a number of conditions where it showed five foot setbacks.

773
01:19:59,440 --> 01:19:59,940
just to be

774
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:29,780
We, if we craft a zoning code that is calling for a minimum 15-foot setback, you seem to be able to work with that? I believe so. The, the so, and again, just to clarify, because these, these are the sort of the details that we'll have to work out in the next, in the next weeks. The exception to that rule would be, we would ask that the porches or stoos be allowed to encroach no more than five feet into that setback. Again, the dominance, right? Space would be open with the occasional

775
01:20:29,780 --> 01:20:32,840
potential protrusion of a portraiture or some sort of architectural feature.

776
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:33,680
But otherwise yes.

777
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:38,180
And our current residential code does allow a certain degree of encroachment.

778
01:20:39,060 --> 01:20:42,840
I think we would want to hear what the public has to say about that five foot encroachment.

779
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:49,620
Perhaps there's some sort of limitation on the percentage of the lot with that that's allowed to encroach.

780
01:20:54,610 --> 01:21:01,150
You mentioned that our height limit in the art districts was 35 feet, I believe it's only 30.

781
01:21:01,830 --> 01:21:13,810
So with respect to the height, 30 versus 40, 10 foot comparatively speaking is different than a five foot difference just for the benefit of everyone here parking.

782
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:24,030
I think you would propose the total of two spaces per unit which included guest was how the math worked out.

783
01:21:24,030 --> 01:21:33,810
Are you changing what you're offering, or is that two units total, or is that two units per two parking spots per unit plus additional guest parking?

784
01:21:34,050 --> 01:21:49,350
Are you that is correct, two parking spaces, as shown here in the conceptual plan, there would be two parking spaces per unit, full stop, and then one parking space for every ten units dedicated to visitors.

785
01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:55,750
and in addition to that, there will be additional parking, excess parking, to allow for the public to arrive in the park on this side, yes?

786
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:06,260
The excess parking will be provided and deployed as shown around the public areas, say the linear park, say the open spaces,

787
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:12,560
so that if there are visitors, above and beyond the visitors that one would expect, as guests of the residences,

788
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:18,460
visitors from the general public that would want to come to the site, to traverse it, to go to the park, et cetera.

789
01:22:18,460 --> 01:22:22,720
There will be spaces in addition to that count for those purposes too.

790
01:22:22,940 --> 01:22:32,480
In addition to the one one one for ten units for the visitors, and in addition to that some for the what was the number,

791
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,680
more or less for the public space, did you have a number?

792
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:42,500
I think in the end, there were roughly 20 plus 20 units, 20 parking spaces, generally available, yes.

793
01:22:42,580 --> 01:22:48,530
Don't hold me to the specific number, but in that range I just have a couple of more questions.

794
01:22:50,910 --> 01:23:01,210
The discussion about urban planning, I'm being told that there are 75 additional spaces available to the public.

795
01:23:01,550 --> 01:23:03,310
So it's two per unit plus 75?

796
01:23:05,150 --> 01:23:05,830
73?

797
01:23:06,750 --> 01:23:07,190
My apologies.

798
01:23:07,570 --> 01:23:08,030
73.

799
01:23:09,010 --> 01:23:16,930
But again, this is certainly something that we've provided consensually enough flexibility for to be able to work those details out with staff, absolutely.

800
01:23:16,930 --> 01:23:30,130
I wanted to jump into a little bit of urban design, and this has to do with whether or not we are looking at a cul-de-sac arrangement urbanistically speaking as far as the layout's concerned, or whether we're talking about something that more closely integrates with the street grid.

801
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:46,290
We know from our last workshop that the public had expressed some sentiments that align more closely with our current layout, the street grid that we currently have in the shores, which would be a notable difference to what you're showing in this conceptual site plan.

802
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:51,110
Part of that does have to do with the character of the shores.

803
01:23:51,550 --> 01:23:56,570
We have front yards that open up to other front yards that encourage neighborly interactions.

804
01:23:58,330 --> 01:24:14,030
The other part of that, I think if I understood the sentiments expressed at the workshop was that we want to make sure that the people that live in this community aren't considered others, that they're considered as an extension of the shores.

805
01:24:14,030 --> 01:24:20,750
and the urbanistic difference between this layout versus the rest of the grid of the shores

806
01:24:21,490 --> 01:24:25,370
seem to cause some consternation amongst the public.

807
01:24:25,730 --> 01:24:28,930
I wondered if you'd express that or address that here.

808
01:24:31,190 --> 01:24:38,590
So in my presentation, I touched on that issue and admittedly danced around it a little bit because

809
01:24:38,590 --> 01:24:39,690
What

810
01:24:41,870 --> 01:24:48,590
we've heard are two issues that can be addressed differently, depending on the approach

811
01:24:48,590 --> 01:24:54,850
one takes. So to the extent that there are concerns about the impact on the flow of traffic

812
01:24:54,850 --> 01:24:59,970
in the immediate area, what we thought was prudent was to limit the number of-

813
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:29,120
We have access points and relegate them to, certainly, those already existing, although we will take away a few, but also taking them to the easiest points of ingress in egress, and also ones where there is least possible conflict in terms of traffic maneuvers, right? And so you will see them, once again, and I'm sorry, I can't point to the other screen, but to the extreme west here on a condition which actually fronts another component of the site.

814
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:39,900
and here to the east where it's front the very university campus itself, here of course on the west what you have beyond is essentially I-95.

815
01:25:40,300 --> 01:25:53,900
So in our considered opinion these are the least disruptive, most flow of traffic friendly access points that we could provide and the ones that are going to tend to minimize traffic disruptions, right?

816
01:25:53,900 --> 01:26:01,820
And again, I'll emphasize, there will be absolutely no driveways that you can see even be a perimeter, you can see it there as well, right?

817
01:26:02,260 --> 01:26:06,780
No driveways that will actually intersect with any of the major rights of way they're all internal.

818
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:16,030
I have designed a number of communities, as I know you have as well, Mr. Spurt, and whenever possible,

819
01:26:16,410 --> 01:26:21,230
my approach has always been to fully integrate the neighborhood, precisely for the issues that you've mentioned,

820
01:26:21,230 --> 01:26:25,490
which have to do with integration, none othering, et cetera.

821
01:26:26,010 --> 01:26:32,670
Our approach to that integration component, which is also important to us, is by making

822
01:26:32,670 --> 01:26:38,810
the internal open spaces publicly accessible by inviting the public to drive into the community

823
01:26:38,810 --> 01:26:45,730
as we do by providing ample parking, by providing community spaces that we expect to be popular

824
01:26:45,730 --> 01:26:47,910
we were inhabited where there is a somewhat of a

825
01:26:47,910 --> 01:26:52,490
Earth of Parkland here in the Northwest part of the

826
01:26:52,490 --> 01:26:53,270
boats of Miami shores.

827
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:57,930
We hope that this will be a community that clearly,

828
01:26:58,370 --> 01:27:01,170
and by design, is not going to be exactly like

829
01:27:01,170 --> 01:27:04,270
every other single family residential subdivision,

830
01:27:04,810 --> 01:27:05,690
beautiful as they are.

831
01:27:06,010 --> 01:27:08,030
It's going to be of a different character of a different

832
01:27:08,030 --> 01:27:10,590
type, but also one that is inclusive,

833
01:27:10,870 --> 01:27:12,010
perhaps in a different approach.

834
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:14,750
That said, either where a marked preference

835
01:27:14,750 --> 01:27:20,950
or a consensus that there need to be additional integration of the roadways.

836
01:27:21,250 --> 01:27:24,730
There is space to accomplish that in the breaks that you have between the structures.

837
01:27:25,210 --> 01:27:27,750
I don't know to what extent that's desirable, that's something that we can discuss further.

838
01:27:30,410 --> 01:27:36,550
I take your point with regards to limiting access, but I think that that actually might be a big counterproductive here.

839
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:40,870
And the reason for that is, let's take the example along Northwest Fifth Avenue.

840
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:44,010
This happens to be the entrance to Dr. Scharter's school.

841
01:27:44,670 --> 01:27:49,490
And if you spent any time there during pickups and drop-offs,

842
01:27:49,850 --> 01:27:53,910
you'll know that the traffic spills out of Dr. Scharter and onto Northwest 5th.

843
01:27:54,210 --> 01:27:57,790
And by orienting your boulevard entrances and exits,

844
01:27:58,050 --> 01:28:03,590
you're gress and ingress to what is essentially a cul-de-sac community on Northwest 5th Avenue.

845
01:28:03,930 --> 01:28:06,750
I think you'd actually further exacerbate the traffic in back there.

846
01:28:07,390 --> 01:28:12,430
Now, of course, you could reorient and you can rotate and you can do different things.

847
01:28:13,150 --> 01:28:18,210
And that might solve the traffic issue, but I don't think that any of those solutions

848
01:28:18,210 --> 01:28:23,570
would be as effective as providing multiple points of ingress and egress, just simply because

849
01:28:23,570 --> 01:28:27,450
people will have a choice as to which direction that they're traveling rather than being

850
01:28:27,450 --> 01:28:31,590
forced out onto a street which was never designed to funnel that kind of traffic.

851
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:38,190
I think you can make a similar argument on the west side of the Barry University property as well.

852
01:28:39,670 --> 01:28:45,870
That said, I think that there are things that are successful about this plan that are worth preserving.

853
01:28:46,770 --> 01:28:53,190
The ample park space that you've provided, I think that that is definitely a step in the right direction.

854
01:28:53,290 --> 01:28:54,550
And I think we can build upon that.

855
01:28:55,910 --> 01:29:02,510
At the risk of spending too much time and asking additional questions, I'll turn it back over to the rest of the board.

856
01:29:02,930 --> 01:29:15,830
And I would like simply with respect to emphasize the fact that we are fully aware and, of course, cognizant of the fact that there will be a site plan review process to follow this, and that is also an opportunity that we before to be able to find to some of these aspects.

857
01:29:16,350 --> 01:29:17,930
Thank you, any other questions?

858
01:29:17,930 --> 01:29:26,530
If I can just make a suggestion, can we take maybe a five minute break to allow us to

859
01:29:26,530 --> 01:29:32,410
get a little bit closer to this site plan and kind of see what's really on it.

860
01:29:32,630 --> 01:29:36,230
I'm having difficulty kind of seeing some things that are on it, so if we could take

861
01:29:36,230 --> 01:29:37,570
a five minute break just to do that?

862
01:29:37,970 --> 01:29:38,190
Sure.

863
01:29:39,070 --> 01:29:40,390
All right, five minute break.

864
01:31:47,660 --> 01:31:51,420
We'd like to go ahead and resume. Please be seated.

865
01:31:55,460 --> 01:31:55,900
Thank you.

866
01:32:00,210 --> 01:32:07,540
Thank you. Any Mr. O'Hare, do you have any questions? Yes. For Francisco?

867
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:22,700
Well, first thank you for the presentation. So can you go to the slide where you had the setbacks indicated? Of course.

868
01:32:28,030 --> 01:32:34,490
So this is, let's see if I can find you. The one that I think you would like to see.

869
01:32:34,490 --> 01:32:38,810
which is possibly this one, either or.

870
01:32:39,090 --> 01:32:42,950
So, you're counting the porch in the setback, but

871
01:32:42,950 --> 01:32:47,210
typically a porch would not be in the setback?

872
01:32:47,510 --> 01:32:49,910
Right, so what I described is precisely that.

873
01:32:50,190 --> 01:32:56,370
But what we think would work well with these particular types of time home conditions is

874
01:32:56,370 --> 01:33:01,050
and allowance, again, to be regulated as indicated by Mr. Spurck and certainly Mr.

875
01:33:01,050 --> 01:33:04,130
Corridor has voiced the same opinion.

876
01:33:04,270 --> 01:33:05,730
And I believe this is actually a press

877
01:33:05,730 --> 01:33:07,870
and that already exists in Miami-Shore Square.

878
01:33:08,790 --> 01:33:12,210
For a given amount of the facade of the residence

879
01:33:12,210 --> 01:33:14,850
of the townhome, there would be the possibility

880
01:33:14,850 --> 01:33:17,190
of encroaching up to five feet no further

881
01:33:17,190 --> 01:33:19,570
with an open porch or an open stoop.

882
01:33:20,330 --> 01:33:23,090
And again, the idea there is to give texture

883
01:33:23,090 --> 01:33:26,430
and articulation to the facades so that it wouldn't read

884
01:33:26,430 --> 01:33:27,430
as too monolithic.

885
01:33:27,430 --> 01:33:55,250
Okay, so in one of the photos that you showed, it looked like an adjoining wall between two porches was also in that five foot setback or is it your intent that only the actual porch is in there or the porch and connecting walls between units and porches is in the setback.

886
01:33:55,250 --> 01:34:01,230
So can you walk me through kind of, do you know what I'm trying to say?

887
01:34:01,510 --> 01:34:03,350
I do, perfectly well, you've explained it perfectly.

888
01:34:03,930 --> 01:34:09,650
And so what I would say is this, if there's a photograph that shows that it may be a condition where there are two

889
01:34:09,650 --> 01:34:11,050
porches that are side by side.

890
01:34:11,410 --> 01:34:15,610
And that would then mean that those two porches would share a privacy wall between two residences.

891
01:34:15,610 --> 01:34:22,910
But again, the intent is to have that encroachment if allowed, when allowed in the regulations, once we get to the site state,

892
01:34:23,450 --> 01:34:26,850
is to have those porches be able to encroach, right,

893
01:34:27,050 --> 01:34:30,050
be on what would otherwise be the straight facade line

894
01:34:30,050 --> 01:34:31,410
of the residences.

895
01:34:32,030 --> 01:34:35,130
So what there shouldn't be is an extended porch

896
01:34:35,130 --> 01:34:36,650
that takes up the entire frontage.

897
01:34:36,830 --> 01:34:39,310
What there should be is an encroachment of five feet at most

898
01:34:39,810 --> 01:34:43,230
that allows for that porch to serve as sort of an aesthetic

899
01:34:43,750 --> 01:34:44,750
adornment to the facade.

900
01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:45,430
Okay.

901
01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:48,230
And then regarding heights on the site,

902
01:34:48,310 --> 01:34:49,770
if you want to go back to the site plan, of course.

903
01:34:49,770 --> 01:34:50,690
Did

904
01:34:57,090 --> 01:34:59,790
you want this slide or no that that false

905
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:00,700
Right, the site line.

906
01:35:03,060 --> 01:35:31,220
The conceptual. Yeah, that one's fine. All right. So do you have? Do you have an idea of where these differing heights would be? Are you thinking? The larger heights in the center of the site and the shorter heights on the outside of the site? Can you kind of walk me through that? Perfect. That is certainly a question that we ourselves have been wrestling with. And so the answer is there's what we think is most desirable is to have

907
01:35:31,220 --> 01:35:37,860
a staggering, or almost a random, if you will, arrangement, where there is no repeated

908
01:35:37,860 --> 01:35:46,120
pattern or necessary continuity, no 333333, but rather 322332 or 3232, right?

909
01:35:46,780 --> 01:35:50,620
And so that's the kind of correlation as I've described that we would be looking for precisely

910
01:35:50,620 --> 01:35:51,100
two.

911
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:56,020
I accomplished what I believe has been expressed as an intent by this board and by your staff

912
01:35:56,020 --> 01:36:01,520
have to give it variety, give it texture, give it articulation, and make it look organic.

913
01:36:04,130 --> 01:36:07,610
So, no, there is no more direct answer to your question.

914
01:36:07,730 --> 01:36:12,430
There is no preset location for the three story townhome model.

915
01:36:12,990 --> 01:36:15,670
And there is no preset location for the two story townhome model.

916
01:36:16,090 --> 01:36:19,990
There is every intent to have those be staggered around almost randomly.

917
01:36:22,370 --> 01:36:23,950
Okay, I'm okay for that.

918
01:36:25,030 --> 01:36:27,470
Thank you. Any other questions from the Board?

919
01:36:29,860 --> 01:36:31,780
I just had a follow-up now that we're seeing

920
01:36:31,780 --> 01:36:34,680
these reproductions.

921
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:39,540
You've got to forgive me, Francesco, because there are no page

922
01:36:39,540 --> 01:36:44,600
numbers here. But I think if you go forward in your presentation, I'll tell you when to stop.

923
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:48,240
Of course, and we'll come back to this to the site plan. Of course,

924
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:53,940
now people know similar

925
01:36:53,940 --> 01:36:55,460
to that. Not quite that.

926
01:36:58,290 --> 01:37:03,630
There, there. Sure. Can you show me, I'm flipping back and forth

927
01:37:03,630 --> 01:37:10,250
between the site plan overall, and this particular configuration where we have five townhomes

928
01:37:10,250 --> 01:37:13,930
on either side of each other, and I just, I don't see that shown on the site plan.

929
01:37:15,290 --> 01:37:15,730
Yes.

930
01:37:24,450 --> 01:37:29,070
Okay. So it's not exactly the same as what's shown there, but okay.

931
01:37:29,530 --> 01:37:41,470
So what you will see in the pages as I was just selling board member spurt is that this reddit of the sort of red hatched area here is the location of that condition within the plan within the site.

932
01:37:42,670 --> 01:38:00,590
In the actual site plan that is a, let's say a cubit-style layout where it's kind of a u-shape with a courtyard in the middle, not exactly reflected in that section, I think that the point you're trying to show is just the front-to-front.

933
01:38:01,070 --> 01:38:03,450
Correct, okay, right, thank you for the clarification.

934
01:38:03,450 --> 01:38:05,190
Thank you.

935
01:38:05,650 --> 01:38:06,550
Does it for me?

936
01:38:07,330 --> 01:38:08,130
Any other questions?

937
01:38:09,770 --> 01:38:11,430
I got just a couple.

938
01:38:11,970 --> 01:38:18,790
And I wanted to just express that what you're giving us is just what Lenard's vision is.

939
01:38:19,190 --> 01:38:20,690
This is not a site plan review.

940
01:38:21,510 --> 01:38:29,990
We're just trying to understand what Lenard's vision is and we're trying to develop our vision in a collaborative fashion.

941
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:33,910
So with that set out, it's kind of curious, roof decks.

942
01:38:34,210 --> 01:38:35,850
What is your vision as far as roof decks?

943
01:38:36,830 --> 01:38:40,030
So first, a slight addition to the statement you've made.

944
01:38:40,570 --> 01:38:48,050
More than the Lennar's vision, really this is Lennar's response to the feedback we've been hearing over the last months, probably years at this point in time.

945
01:38:48,490 --> 01:38:53,790
Work in progress, because in the end, the site plan will be determining a right factor.

946
01:38:54,390 --> 01:38:56,750
In response to your question about roof decks,

947
01:38:56,750 --> 01:39:26,730
The roof deck version of what you might see here are those sky terraces that I was alluding to before and that is precisely the reason why we are asking for the possibility of having this third story to keep that roof deck amenity so to speak for the individual townhome covered and contained as opposed to having it be the kind of roof deck that as you know emanates sound noise and disturbances so beyond that third story no roof decks you will see in every single instance and

948
01:39:26,730 --> 01:39:29,450
A pitch-thruve right above that, no open terraces.

949
01:39:30,070 --> 01:39:32,350
Okay, thank you.

950
01:39:33,130 --> 01:39:43,630
Garage, what is your vision as far as the garage is, and I guess how many vehicles in a garage assigned to each unit?

951
01:39:44,150 --> 01:39:49,330
Right, so the typical condition will be to the garage, to vehicles for parking garages.

952
01:39:49,470 --> 01:39:53,550
You see them here, and again, difficult to do it in both plants, but you see it.

953
01:39:53,550 --> 01:39:59,970
in this particular slide, within the yellowish sort of...

954
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:08,520
Floor plate of each individual townhome, you will see the closest to immediately abutting the street itself, right? And so what you see here,

955
01:40:15,630 --> 01:40:38,520
that's two car garage for each unit. Okay. Each unit should have a two car garage that is accessible from what I've described in Miami Shores style as a. What is your on this this plan that you've showed us? What is I know another metric that we've

956
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:40,560
I just talked about his open space percent.

957
01:40:40,660 --> 01:40:42,560
My apologies Mr. Bolton, I'm being corrected.

958
01:40:42,840 --> 01:41:06,480
And what I am told is that there will be some instances, given the configuration of a block and we've run into this in some of the site planning exercises where the access is difficult in a corner condition right or the conditions as such, and there will be a one car garage internally, but whenever that is the case, there will be immediately close to it an open air additional parking space reserved for that unit.

959
01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:12,880
What will never be the case is that there will be a unit with less than two cars assigned to it in most instances

960
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:16,980
It will be a two car garage indoor in some instances limited instances

961
01:41:16,980 --> 01:41:25,620
There will be a one car garage with a dedicated and on street dedicated parking space yes parking so there will be at a minimum two dedicated

962
01:41:26,820 --> 01:41:32,320
parking spaces per unit that is correct on top of that the one in ten

963
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:41,540
in visitor parking on top of that, about 20 units, spaces for, more like this is a vision.

964
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:45,560
73 people to actually pull out of the mix.

965
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:48,000
So that's the corrected and enhanced number, yes.

966
01:41:48,900 --> 01:41:49,120
Okay.

967
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:52,640
All right, well, that's all I've got.

968
01:41:53,100 --> 01:41:53,620
Thank you.

969
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:54,480
John.

970
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:55,200
Oh, sir.

971
01:41:55,540 --> 01:41:56,180
Okay, one more.

972
01:41:57,140 --> 01:42:04,760
I talked a little bit to the one art people about the issues of all the bedrooms are going

973
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:05,740
to be on the second floor.

974
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:10,100
Not necessarily.

975
01:42:10,700 --> 01:42:11,520
Pardon me?

976
01:42:11,820 --> 01:42:12,600
Not necessarily.

977
01:42:12,820 --> 01:42:15,540
There may be first floor bedrooms second floor.

978
01:42:15,540 --> 01:42:21,140
I'd like to suggest as you move forward this I plan we got some additional thought to some

979
01:42:21,140 --> 01:42:26,460
universal design for us old people and for the handicap.

980
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:52,480
There will be no elevators in any of these buildings, so when we talk about people going up, one flight of stairs to the first floor and then the second side of the third floor, I try to do in my current house and I would buy a new one, I wouldn't do that, but please pay some attention to some of the universal design features that we really should work into all of our housing, not just new development.

981
01:42:52,480 --> 01:42:54,440
Point exceedingly well taken, yes.

982
01:42:55,440 --> 01:42:57,680
Thank you. Any other board comments?

983
01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:07,920
Yes. So I know we're not approving a site plan where this is just conceptual.

984
01:43:09,020 --> 01:43:09,820
But I think,

985
01:43:12,500 --> 01:43:22,980
I mean, I got calls from the development team, I didn't take them, got emails, didn't answer them, I wanted to come in with a clear head and just kind of see this.

986
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:54,340
But one concern to have with the site on 113th Street and 112th Terrace Folk North West that I think the heights of any buildings that are fronting those streets should be lower so that there's a limited impact on the single family homes across the street and adjacent to those sites.

987
01:43:54,340 --> 01:44:04,240
sections. So that was kind of why I was asking you before about the heights. I know you have a park there.

988
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:12,040
I don't know if that's the best place for it, but I think when you go up onto the 113th Street,

989
01:44:12,940 --> 01:44:23,000
you could potentially have 40 feet of a building kind of shadowing the single family homes across the street.

990
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:28,160
And you're going to see that 40 feet from the back yard's couple of blocks away.

991
01:44:28,940 --> 01:44:41,780
So that's why I would kind of suggest that any area that is directly adjacent to a single family home zone,

992
01:44:41,860 --> 01:44:45,880
regardless of what the zoning is, but if there's single family homes there,

993
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:53,440
that a lesser height be along those corridors versus that 40 feet that you're requesting.

994
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:59,920
understood. And I made reference to 40 feet again just to be

995
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:28,560
This is clear as they possibly can be. I mean, references to 40 feet because that is the language caption presently in the comprehensive plan. And so I first wanted to provide assurances that that cannot and we will not exceed that. But as I showed in some of the images, or in all of the images, whenever we've shown a town home, we've shown it at less than 40 feet, 30 70s about as tall as it gets. But your point is well taken wherever, fronting a single family, residential condition, that should be given due consideration.

996
01:45:33,380 --> 01:45:58,420
All right, so moving along what I did is I put together a little, I went out and found to D'Arral and took photos of about four different styles of townhouses in D'Arral, and I put a little presentation together that I think might help us with our discussion up here for the board, so this is for board discussion.

997
01:45:58,420 --> 01:46:02,880
So it was my presentation and teed up, can we start it?

998
01:46:03,540 --> 01:46:04,660
Thank you.

999
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:11,280
Which other one?

1000
01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:17,700
All right, so this was a presentation I made and I wanted to, it's got the different styles to help.

1001
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:19,400
I guess to give us a vision.

1002
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:24,620
And the people here, a vision of what these different styles look like.

1003
01:46:24,620 --> 01:46:54,600
And with that said, my thought was, if we see a style we like, we can make comment to it and kind of give that direction to our planning director to kind of use that to codify this townhouse code around around the vision that we give you so rather than getting into the minutia of all the details will give you the vision and then any specific details that any board member wants to do.

1004
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:59,640
You add to it, certainly they're entitled to that, so

1005
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:07,780
I don't, it must be slow, okay.

1006
01:47:08,300 --> 01:47:15,940
So here's some front views of some townhouse developments that I took.

1007
01:47:19,700 --> 01:47:27,140
So I call this option A. This is a two and three story, third floor, not stepped back.

1008
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:31,740
It's modern looking, limited setback, balconies.

1009
01:47:31,740 --> 01:47:41,960
So that would be what I call the option A. It's three stories, the third floor is not very

1010
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:48,640
stepped back, so it's much more imposing I think to the people in front of it.

1011
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:52,400
It does have a third floor balcony on it.

1012
01:47:55,650 --> 01:47:58,110
There's another picture of it.

1013
01:47:58,110 --> 01:48:02,630
But there's a very little setback you can see here.

1014
01:48:03,050 --> 01:48:09,050
Now, I think Lanar was talking about a 15 foot setback.

1015
01:48:09,470 --> 01:48:14,270
This looks like just a wide sidewalk and then pretty much built right at that.

1016
01:48:15,290 --> 01:48:16,570
Such much more imposing.

1017
01:48:19,870 --> 01:48:22,790
I have a, this would be what I called option B.

1018
01:48:23,470 --> 01:48:27,730
It's also two and three story with articulation.

1019
01:48:27,730 --> 01:48:31,850
Third floor, step back to reduce appearance of the third floor.

1020
01:48:34,550 --> 01:48:44,850
So you can see this actually, I believe, kind of looks more like what Lanar had in mind in their vision where it is third floor.

1021
01:48:45,810 --> 01:48:55,990
But it almost looks like just two floors because the third floor is stepped back significantly and almost not visible from the street level.

1022
01:48:58,700 --> 01:49:04,240
Particulation, this one does not have much of a setback at the street level, as you can see.

1023
01:49:07,170 --> 01:49:08,410
There's another view of it.

1024
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:18,320
All right, this, all right, that's a final view, very, very small setback.

1025
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:23,840
The setback here, I guess from the, from the, the back of sidewalks, almost nil.

1026
01:49:24,300 --> 01:49:28,380
But it looks like you have about 15 foot of sidewalk in front of it.

1027
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:37,840
option C. This is a two-story option. Modern looking, small front yard, so it's got additional

1028
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:39,580
setback, simpler looking.

1029
01:49:44,260 --> 01:49:46,660
So you can see it's got a yard, it's got a head, it's got some

1030
01:49:46,660 --> 01:49:46,940
grass.

1031
01:49:49,570 --> 01:49:55,570
It is only two-story, so it looks significantly smaller or less imposing than the three-story

1032
01:49:55,570 --> 01:49:59,970
ones. And there's a small green space in front of me.

1033
01:50:00,860 --> 01:50:02,200
Almost like a little yard.

1034
01:50:08,670 --> 01:50:21,610
If anybody on the board here wants to stop me and make comments on anything, anything they like, anything they don't like, please. This is board, this is a board discussion item. All right, I can go through it once and then we'll back up.

1035
01:50:23,700 --> 01:50:30,180
This is just to help us with our discussion. Option D here, two and three stories, modern looking,

1036
01:50:33,780 --> 01:50:39,420
balconies. You can see it is articulated between two and three story levels.

1037
01:50:39,420 --> 01:50:41,560
so it's not that imposing.

1038
01:50:50,380 --> 01:50:58,840
So here's four options to look at. In addition, I took some photos of some setbacks.

1039
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:06,120
Here's the larger setback with the green space in front.

1040
01:51:10,820 --> 01:51:18,240
This is pretty much, it is setback but pretty much approaches the back of sidewalk in the yard.

1041
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:19,160
You

1042
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:24,460
can see this is right up on the sidewalk

1043
01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:30,560
interior views all right

1044
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:34,260
so here's some interior views of townhouse developments like I said these were

1045
01:51:34,260 --> 01:51:41,240
taken in throughout four different townhouse types and developments for us to

1046
01:51:41,240 --> 01:51:45,020
look at but you can see this would be similar to what it looks like in our

1047
01:51:45,020 --> 01:51:54,940
had in their presentation, which is a two car garage, a street.

1048
01:51:55,760 --> 01:52:02,140
This is where the services, the trash pick up, et cetera, would be accomplished.

1049
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:07,400
You can see, I guess that's what it would look like on trash pick up day.

1050
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:08,480
This

1051
01:52:14,940 --> 01:52:29,820
is one of those, and I saw this in the site plan too, a little nook or what we call that where cars can park, additional parking, additional access to the backside.

1052
01:52:38,770 --> 01:52:45,290
Some walkways within the development, this is what some of the walkways and landscape pathways may look like.

1053
01:52:57,610 --> 01:53:04,490
This is Daryl, this is probably a little higher density than the development that we're proposing here.

1054
01:53:12,530 --> 01:53:17,530
The development, Leonard's proposing was about 12 units per acre, I'm not sure what this would be,

1055
01:53:25,020 --> 01:53:25,940
seem to have slowed down.

1056
01:53:33,410 --> 01:53:34,130
I guess that's

1057
01:53:40,140 --> 01:53:45,260
the end of my presentation, when I get to the end.

1058
01:53:55,250 --> 01:53:59,210
So with that said, I'd like to start at the top again, can you get me?

1059
01:53:59,210 --> 01:54:00,050
I

1060
01:54:02,990 --> 01:54:08,190
think I'm I think I'm starting maybe I push my buttons too fast, so

1061
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:19,560
you were assisting me, yeah, okay?

1062
01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:24,080
What we just assist me

1063
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:28,640
All right, all right, thank you

1064
01:54:32,620 --> 01:54:36,360
So move forward to option a please all

1065
01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:42,900
right go to the next one

1066
01:54:42,900 --> 01:54:48,460
All right any board comments discussion any feelings my

1067
01:54:53,900 --> 01:54:54,600
personal opinion

1068
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:58,480
I mean, I think it's an order to integrate.

1069
01:54:58,700 --> 01:54:59,480
Wait, wait, wait, excuse me.

1070
01:54:59,480 --> 01:54:59,940
Bye.

1071
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:31,740
Excuse me. We haven't trouble hearing up here. In order to integrate this development, whatever's developed there with the rest of the village, I think the 15 or whatever, at least 15 is paramount. And 50% set back. And so I do not like the sidewalk, right to the sidewalk, does not integrate with the community, especially if

1072
01:55:31,740 --> 01:55:33,680
I think there's homes across the street.

1073
01:55:34,760 --> 01:55:35,720
I think that's paramount.

1074
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:44,700
So, none of the ones here are two and three story with the 15 foot setback.

1075
01:55:45,320 --> 01:55:54,620
So, I guess it would be a combination of these options, would be my personal preference.

1076
01:55:54,620 --> 01:56:03,450
So I will echo my colleague's comments.

1077
01:56:03,950 --> 01:56:10,290
I agree 100% that I think 15 feet is the kind of a minimum standard.

1078
01:56:10,450 --> 01:56:14,510
I think we're looking for if not a little bit larger than that.

1079
01:56:14,650 --> 01:56:21,030
But I leave that up to Joe and his staff to give us some recommendations on.

1080
01:56:21,030 --> 01:56:32,010
How do you feel about the non-proposal that on certain occasions that are from porch and get in to normal and private meetings that are possible?

1081
01:56:33,580 --> 01:56:34,190
I apologize.

1082
01:56:34,790 --> 01:56:37,470
I've only been doing this for 20 years and I still forget the mic.

1083
01:56:38,850 --> 01:56:47,310
How do you feel about the non-proposal that on certain occasions the front porch can go into the setback no more than five feet?

1084
01:56:48,730 --> 01:56:51,630
Does that acceptable or 15 feet?

1085
01:56:51,770 --> 01:56:56,490
And the 15-foot setback to go into five foot with certain structures, steps, and front

1086
01:56:56,490 --> 01:56:56,890
porches?

1087
01:56:57,630 --> 01:56:58,870
I don't have a big problem with that.

1088
01:56:59,430 --> 01:57:00,170
That's okay with you?

1089
01:57:01,590 --> 01:57:02,670
I don't have a issue with that either.

1090
01:57:04,450 --> 01:57:11,130
I think the other thing, John, is I really do like the articulation on some of these to

1091
01:57:11,130 --> 01:57:20,870
to have some variance articulation as you go across particularly in the 8, 7, and 8.

1092
01:57:21,870 --> 01:57:24,670
So like this option, you liked the articulation?

1093
01:57:25,030 --> 01:57:26,090
Yeah, I liked the articulation.

1094
01:57:26,250 --> 01:57:30,810
I don't know how articulated most of this is, but, you know, I liked it.

1095
01:57:30,830 --> 01:57:35,810
Or the option, like that less.

1096
01:57:35,810 --> 01:57:36,010
Yes.

1097
01:57:38,250 --> 01:57:46,630
That's two and three stories where the third floor step back significantly, which

1098
01:57:46,630 --> 01:57:52,070
is the one I'm kind of partial to I guess. I have a couple comments if I may.

1099
01:57:52,770 --> 01:57:58,750
I think we need to be careful we don't get distracted in a conversation that circles around

1100
01:57:58,750 --> 01:58:03,570
architectural style. We chose not to do a PUD which means we can't regulate architectural

1101
01:58:03,570 --> 01:58:11,410
and Mr. Cordino correct me and Jenae if I'm wrong about that, but I don't believe the Florida Statute to allow us to regulate style.

1102
01:58:11,910 --> 01:58:18,810
We could probably regulate volumetrics and to that extent, I think some of what you're proposing here, we could take some cues from.

1103
01:58:19,610 --> 01:58:25,550
But I kind of want to take a step back because I think part of what you're showing or

1104
01:58:25,550 --> 01:58:33,390
most of what you're showing seem to be photographed from Dural and what I heard come out of the community workshop is that's exactly what the community doesn't want to see.

1105
01:58:33,390 --> 01:58:34,430
And

1106
01:58:38,460 --> 01:58:43,460
I think that has less to do with the actual style of the buildings.

1107
01:58:43,800 --> 01:58:49,540
I don't think that that's really what the community has gotten stuck on.

1108
01:58:49,620 --> 01:58:55,440
And I think my colleague, Mr. Napier, has put his finger on exactly what that is.

1109
01:58:55,560 --> 01:59:01,220
And that is larger setbacks that start serving to create less of an urban community,

1110
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:06,280
and more of a community that is more closely aligned with what our character is.

1111
01:59:08,640 --> 01:59:23,140
And I think that the notion that we could potentially say, okay, A, B, C, or D is difficult to do right now because I think we need to tackle the big moves first, which are the urbanistic moves.

1112
01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:25,160
Do we have a cul-de-sac community?

1113
01:59:25,540 --> 01:59:34,480
I think if you could advance your slides to the back of the townhomes, this is the concern that I've heard expressed and I've shared myself.

1114
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:56,820
is that if we're not careful what we'll wind up creating is what you see at the end which is these interior environments, this and that one, and that one, and one more, and that one, this is board member discussion.

1115
01:59:56,820 --> 01:59:58,720
And here's the thing.

1116
01:59:59,480 --> 01:59:59,980
I mean, yes.

1117
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,980
This may not be visible from the public right of way, but it's a cold to sack community, so the only public right of way is the perimeter of the actual property. But what the community has said that they want to see is more integrated street grid. And so if we are integrating a street grid and having an urbanistic design that that allows for this, then this will also be part of the public view, but even if it wasn't, and even if this was just for the exclusive use of the residents that live here. Is that the quality of life that we want to

1118
02:00:29,980 --> 02:00:33,400
to build, or do we want to raise the bar a little bit?

1119
02:00:34,540 --> 02:00:36,880
I guess that's the question that I'd have and how.

1120
02:00:39,690 --> 02:00:40,830
What is your suggestion?

1121
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:50,280
I think that we should talk about integrated street grid

1122
02:00:50,280 --> 02:00:52,860
and what that might look like and how that gets executed.

1123
02:00:53,320 --> 02:00:57,980
I think we should talk about step backs.

1124
02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:00,300
I think we should talk about set backs.

1125
02:01:00,660 --> 02:01:03,660
I think we should talk about parking.

1126
02:01:03,860 --> 02:01:05,380
I think all of that comes into play.

1127
02:01:05,380 --> 02:01:12,020
All of that ultimately comes together to form what becomes a successful or unsuccessful urban design.

1128
02:01:12,740 --> 02:01:20,160
And I think that the code that we're looking to craft needs to address those items.

1129
02:01:20,380 --> 02:01:23,880
And I think we've got a great point of departure.

1130
02:01:23,880 --> 02:01:32,060
It's the chart that you presented to Mr. Cordino earlier, which is the product of the last workshop where the community

1131
02:01:32,060 --> 02:01:33,620
He said what they want to see.

1132
02:01:33,740 --> 02:01:38,420
I think we could probably take that somewhat successfully into a first draft of his

1133
02:01:38,420 --> 02:01:47,680
owning code, and I would ask Mr. Poradino if he would think that that would be an appropriate

1134
02:01:47,680 --> 02:01:51,980
next step, or if there's more discussion to be had about it.

1135
02:01:53,720 --> 02:01:54,580
Here, John.

1136
02:01:54,840 --> 02:01:55,520
Can I?

1137
02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:56,320
Yeah, please.

1138
02:01:56,520 --> 02:01:57,160
I have a,

1139
02:01:59,750 --> 02:02:04,770
I think it's somewhat disingenuous for us to talk about a grid step mark, any

1140
02:02:04,770 --> 02:02:13,770
place for Miami Shores. I live east of 19th 10th Avenue and in the city of Miami Shores

1141
02:02:14,370 --> 02:02:20,490
east of northeast 10th Avenue there is one way to come in and one way to come out. And

1142
02:02:20,490 --> 02:02:25,710
if you think this is unattractive you should drive up and down our alleys that we have in

1143
02:02:25,710 --> 02:02:30,470
Miami Shores because they're not overwhelmingly attractive either and we have to understand

1144
02:02:30,470 --> 02:02:34,550
And there are things that come with being able to provide services to people.

1145
02:02:35,390 --> 02:02:48,890
You know, the same thing is on Northeast 6th Avenue, once you leave 96th Street, there's no way you can go west until you get to St.

1146
02:02:49,090 --> 02:02:58,470
Rose of Lima. I mean, this city is very divided up in terms of having grids and access to it, and I really think it's close to

1147
02:02:58,470 --> 02:03:06,730
obstructionists to want to concentrate on this. I saw these pictures. I was somewhat disappointed,

1148
02:03:07,130 --> 02:03:14,090
but I also have been in shopping malls and other places where there are areas that are set up

1149
02:03:14,090 --> 02:03:24,610
to provide trash, garbage, and relatively few of them are extremely attractive. These seem to be

1150
02:03:24,610 --> 02:03:36,530
They seem to be relatively well maintained, and I think we need to understand there are some things that just come with the turf when you're going to set up ways to have garbage and trash picked up.

1151
02:03:40,370 --> 02:03:51,590
So, I mean, what, Brandon, what, what density would you surmise this development is that we're looking at units per acre?

1152
02:03:54,830 --> 02:03:57,490
It would be ours proposing 12 units per acre.

1153
02:03:57,970 --> 02:04:04,650
It would be a wild guess on my part, but I suspect that it's fairly close to what they're proposing for us.

1154
02:04:04,650 --> 02:04:07,310
That's based on the site plan that is in this presentation.

1155
02:04:08,170 --> 02:04:19,850
I see the qubits, if we had the benefit of looking at this development that you photographed from an aerial perspective and you overlaid that on the site plan, I feel like they would be remarkably similar.

1156
02:04:20,770 --> 02:04:31,590
And I think the question comes down to how big are these units versus the units that we're going to program, and ultimately that winds up either reducing or increasing the density.

1157
02:04:32,990 --> 02:04:40,490
But I think it's pretty clear here, these are single car garages, and I believe I heard

1158
02:04:40,490 --> 02:04:45,390
a sonar's offering two car garages with certain exceptions, like that.

1159
02:04:45,730 --> 02:04:46,990
That's a two car garage, right?

1160
02:04:48,490 --> 02:04:52,530
So it's probably that is an area of the development that's likely less dense,

1161
02:04:52,530 --> 02:04:59,970
But I would think that probably that one air

1162
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:28,660
The area is likely less dense than what they're proposing for the shores. But again, I think what I heard them say is density is going to be almost randomly scattered throughout the site in terms of the number of stories, at least. The number of unit sizes, I don't think one area of the site is going to be exclusively larger units in another area is going to be exclusively smaller. It's probably a random distribution pattern.

1163
02:05:29,980 --> 02:05:38,800
that if they're going to do that qubit approach, it's probably going to be some function of how that works on the corners, probably they're bigger, on the infill sites are probably smaller.

1164
02:05:39,600 --> 02:05:43,160
It's probably similar to this, and I don't know.

1165
02:05:45,160 --> 02:05:52,400
I understand, and I hear Mr. Brady's point, and I understand that east of 10th Avenue, we only have one way in and one way out.

1166
02:05:52,400 --> 02:06:04,020
But these are single family homes, and we do have a street grid that ostensibly matches the rest of the shores there.

1167
02:06:04,240 --> 02:06:06,000
Regardless of whether it's one way in and one way out.

1168
02:06:06,140 --> 02:06:11,340
It just happens to be that that one way out spills out into US one which is designed to handle that kind of throughput.

1169
02:06:12,260 --> 02:06:14,680
Northwest 5th Avenue by contrast is not.

1170
02:06:16,120 --> 02:06:19,460
And I think we're getting into maybe two different kinds of the conversation.

1171
02:06:19,460 --> 02:06:25,280
We're getting into a conversation that has to do with style and we're getting into conversation that has to do with urban design.

1172
02:06:27,550 --> 02:06:36,570
I think I've heard the communities say that, and I think that was captured in the Cordino report that a more integrated street grid seems to be the direction that people wanted to go.

1173
02:06:39,380 --> 02:06:45,860
So, let me ask you, I mean, the comp plan has specified this area as 13 units per acre, right?

1174
02:06:45,860 --> 02:06:46,660
Right?

1175
02:06:47,580 --> 02:06:47,720
Yes.

1176
02:06:48,620 --> 02:06:49,720
For Grove Saker.

1177
02:06:50,200 --> 02:06:59,580
And if we're figuring this is probably about 13 units per acre, then, and if everybody wants more wide open spaces and such,

1178
02:07:00,120 --> 02:07:07,840
then how would the developer or how would this property be developed to me, the allowable 13 units per acre, then?

1179
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:12,720
Allowable 13 units per acre, doesn't matter than a multi-family look, right?

1180
02:07:13,400 --> 02:07:17,580
Just because the comprehensive plan said that 13 years break or were allowed,

1181
02:07:17,580 --> 02:07:19,000
doesn't mean that that's guaranteed.

1182
02:07:19,000 --> 02:07:22,320
In fact, there's a section in the comprehensive plan that specifically states that

1183
02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:26,160
the application of a zoning code will likely reduce that density.

1184
02:07:26,820 --> 02:07:30,060
It's ultimately up to us to decide what we want to see as a community and that very

1185
02:07:30,060 --> 02:07:33,140
well may further reduce the density that's achievable in this site.

1186
02:07:33,840 --> 02:07:34,080
Now,

1187
02:07:36,910 --> 02:07:41,290
I think the question then becomes from a developer standpoint, and also for

1188
02:07:41,290 --> 02:07:44,070
us on the board, is that still pencilable?

1189
02:07:44,070 --> 02:07:46,750
Does that still make economic in financial sense?

1190
02:07:47,290 --> 02:07:53,730
Can you sell a unit at that price point, and at the necessary price point that it must

1191
02:07:53,730 --> 02:07:57,930
be sold in order to make financial sense for the developer in the land seller, does that

1192
02:07:57,930 --> 02:07:58,790
still work economically?

1193
02:07:59,730 --> 02:08:03,510
I would venture to say that it does, and the reason why I say that is because I have a bit

1194
02:08:03,510 --> 02:08:14,050
of a development background as you know, but let's just say from Lehman's terms, look on an

1195
02:08:14,050 --> 02:08:17,250
They're also affiliated with the prestigious neighborhood like Miami Shores.

1196
02:08:17,550 --> 02:08:18,470
It just simply doesn't exist.

1197
02:08:19,390 --> 02:08:23,130
And Lunar has already showed by example what they're doing in West Aventura,

1198
02:08:23,130 --> 02:08:27,830
which is actually not even in Aventura, and it's less density than what they're proposing here.

1199
02:08:28,410 --> 02:08:32,170
So somewhere in long line, the metrics, I believe, will work.

1200
02:08:32,810 --> 02:08:40,410
And I don't think we should be stuck on this idea that we need to guarantee that whatever plan comes out needs to maximize the number of units.

1201
02:08:40,410 --> 02:08:44,890
That was just merely a guideline that can be deviated

1202
02:08:44,890 --> 02:08:46,750
from depending on what the community says

1203
02:08:46,750 --> 02:08:48,090
they want to see on that site.

1204
02:08:48,610 --> 02:08:49,770
I think everything needs to be in balance

1205
02:08:49,770 --> 02:08:50,790
and needs to be within reason,

1206
02:08:51,490 --> 02:08:53,610
but I don't think anything that came out of that workshop

1207
02:08:53,610 --> 02:08:55,890
that summarized in that chart is unreasonable.

1208
02:08:56,130 --> 02:08:57,430
Actually, I think it's quite reasonable.

1209
02:08:59,720 --> 02:09:00,460
Thank you.

1210
02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:02,500
Oh, here.

1211
02:09:05,460 --> 02:09:09,580
So while this probably isn't the prettiest view,

1212
02:09:11,420 --> 02:09:28,520
It's pretty indicative of the built environment in many places and you know where I am in the shores, I don't use the front of the house barely even use the only person who uses the front door is the mailman.

1213
02:09:29,320 --> 02:09:52,420
I'm coming in through the alley, and that's where I'm traversing, so it's not the prettiest view, but I think the price point of the product will dictate the level of maintenance in that alley, so I'm not so concerned about that, I'd be more concerned about the front of the property.

1214
02:09:52,420 --> 02:09:59,640
Joe you asked a question about the porch going into the to the setback. I think you you have to kind of

1215
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:29,260
Find what's the porch? Because is the porch the just the entrance feature going in on to the first level? Or is the porch that plus the same thing on the second floor plus the same thing on the third floor? So that's a ton of mass that you're putting in the setback. So if it was just a porch, I think I'm OK with an entrance feature going into the setback on that occasion.

1216
02:10:29,260 --> 02:10:36,080
but I don't think I'd want that porch feature being more than on the first level.

1217
02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:50,210
No, open, but not, I would say not above the first level, that if it's going to be a porch, a porch is a porch.

1218
02:10:50,470 --> 02:10:59,730
That's not a porch, to me, that's not a porch, that's, that is an entrance feature on the ground floor and a patio.

1219
02:10:59,730 --> 02:11:02,330
a patio, a balcony on the second floor.

1220
02:11:02,490 --> 02:11:03,370
To me, that's on a porch.

1221
02:11:03,810 --> 02:11:07,350
A porch is an entrance feature off of the ground floor

1222
02:11:07,350 --> 02:11:10,230
into the front door, and that's kind of where it stops.

1223
02:11:10,610 --> 02:11:14,310
So, Joe, you asked the questions, kind of just giving the answer.

1224
02:11:14,650 --> 02:11:19,650
So, I just had a couple of notes and I kind of thought we would...

1225
02:11:20,350 --> 02:11:22,690
Okay, so that to me is on a porch.

1226
02:11:25,950 --> 02:11:26,870
Now, the bottom is a porch.

1227
02:11:27,050 --> 02:11:29,970
The second is not a porch, so that, to me,

1228
02:11:29,970 --> 02:11:38,950
is not what I would be envisioning going into the setback because it includes mass above the ground floor.

1229
02:11:39,230 --> 02:11:39,610
If

1230
02:11:43,030 --> 02:11:46,850
you're thinking where would the setback be applied on this structure?

1231
02:11:48,010 --> 02:11:52,450
If it's using what seems to have been presented?

1232
02:11:52,450 --> 02:11:56,430
But would it scale the same thing on the wall?

1233
02:11:56,630 --> 02:12:03,570
No, it would be the front, they had columns coming.

1234
02:12:03,710 --> 02:12:08,270
I guess if you go back to the farther point, just on that same picture, but

1235
02:12:08,270 --> 02:12:12,510
down the back, the five foot mark would be on that-

1236
02:12:12,510 --> 02:12:13,590
The front face and the columns?

1237
02:12:13,870 --> 02:12:16,150
Street column, that would be where it would be.

1238
02:12:16,150 --> 02:12:21,850
But typically, the setback would be that solid wall.

1239
02:12:22,990 --> 02:12:28,810
So what I'm kind of in it, Joe asked the question, what are we thinking going into the setback?

1240
02:12:29,150 --> 02:12:36,750
I'm thinking just an entrance feature over the ground floor that protects the front door,

1241
02:12:36,990 --> 02:12:38,770
but not that mass above it.

1242
02:12:40,050 --> 02:12:47,170
Okay. And then I just had a couple of more comments because I know we're supposed to

1243
02:12:47,170 --> 02:12:55,910
give Joe's stuff to go back and work on. So I would say any new development in this

1244
02:12:55,910 --> 02:13:03,370
zone should not have its back facing the single family homes. So that means the front

1245
02:13:03,370 --> 02:13:07,450
of the new developments along this across the street from the single family homes, I should

1246
02:13:07,450 --> 02:13:15,830
be facing each other. There should be a transition between the existing single family home heights

1247
02:13:15,830 --> 02:13:22,490
and the new development. So something shorter in the front, higher in the back, breaking up the

1248
02:13:22,490 --> 02:13:27,350
massing so there's no concrete walls.

1249
02:13:32,180 --> 02:13:35,940
And then I would also introduce the idea of having a minimum

1250
02:13:35,940 --> 02:13:37,560
and an average unit size.

1251
02:13:38,340 --> 02:13:43,180
So instead of having just one unit size at minimum,

1252
02:13:43,380 --> 02:13:44,880
I would have a minimum and an average.

1253
02:13:45,240 --> 02:13:48,540
So the minimum would allow some smaller units,

1254
02:13:49,140 --> 02:13:52,220
but then also being able to have some larger units

1255
02:13:52,220 --> 02:13:53,480
and hitting the average.

1256
02:13:54,440 --> 02:13:58,680
We've gotten a lot of comments about how

1257
02:13:58,680 --> 02:14:01,560
to make new development in this zone

1258
02:14:01,560 --> 02:14:08,480
available to people of different income levels. So I think if we have some

1259
02:14:08,480 --> 02:14:15,380
different size units that may insist in that regard. So that's all I have.

1260
02:14:15,880 --> 02:14:18,560
How do we feel on height?

1261
02:14:21,370 --> 02:14:24,010
Two stories, three stories, 35 feet.

1262
02:14:28,160 --> 02:14:29,060
Anybody have a

1263
02:14:29,060 --> 02:14:34,380
strong feeling? I would be willing to give people more height for more setback.

1264
02:14:34,920 --> 02:14:40,800
So, if they actually go from the 5 to the 15, and they think they need to go to 35-40,

1265
02:14:41,180 --> 02:14:51,280
I think again, as we mentioned, is part of the comp plan talks about two sets of things

1266
02:14:51,280 --> 02:14:54,360
that don't have anything to do with zoning that, well, have to do.

1267
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:58,720
One is the idea of there's supposed to be some provisions for affordable housing

1268
02:14:58,720 --> 02:14:59,920
and to the

1269
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:28,260
The bill is supposed to have a diversity of housing rights, the creation of the CR code is designed to do that. And we don't want to create a zoning code that makes it impossible for anybody who develops the site, not to be able to have some affordability. 75 foot wide townhouses just don't occur in the real world.

1270
02:15:28,260 --> 02:15:31,620
and are really just an attempt to say don't build poundhouses.

1271
02:15:32,680 --> 02:15:37,940
So I think I would suggest that we have to think about that in terms of talking about

1272
02:15:37,940 --> 02:15:38,380
what we're going to do.

1273
02:15:38,820 --> 02:15:43,700
I think the idea of a minimum and a maximum size or an average size is a good way to go.

1274
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:48,280
I assume most of these will be two and three bedroom?

1275
02:15:52,500 --> 02:15:58,840
Okay. So as far as high, what do you have? What is your opinion? I mean, mine was

1276
02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:05,860
allow three stories. Why? Because they're putting a two-car garage in there. If you have a two-car

1277
02:16:05,860 --> 02:16:15,620
garage, you need some more space. So three stories with the third floor step back, kind of similar to

1278
02:16:15,620 --> 02:16:20,380
what I've got on the screen here, so it looks, are

1279
02:16:26,300 --> 02:16:26,700
you finished?

1280
02:16:30,580 --> 02:16:36,320
So the third floor step back, which makes it look less opposing, I think like this does.

1281
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:43,540
And 35 feet was a number that I was kind of considering any comments on that.

1282
02:16:43,780 --> 02:16:49,740
The community said 33.6 feet as the average, which translates to 2.6 stories.

1283
02:16:49,740 --> 02:16:52,940
So unless you're in a Monty Python movie, you really can't do the half story.

1284
02:16:54,280 --> 02:16:58,500
I think 35 feet probably is probably okay.

1285
02:16:59,840 --> 02:17:04,380
And I agree with you Mr. Bolton that as long as there's a step back there at the third story,

1286
02:17:04,540 --> 02:17:10,080
and also you Mr. O'Hara that that shouldn't be fronting a single family residential house.

1287
02:17:10,120 --> 02:17:15,820
I think we could probably figure out some zoning code that we could write that would address all those items that could be okay with that.

1288
02:17:15,820 --> 02:17:16,800
Due

1289
02:17:23,200 --> 02:17:32,280
to the two-car garage, you know, we talked about, I know 35 feet seems to be the, the, the, so far the consensus.

1290
02:17:33,200 --> 02:17:42,500
I'm fine with 37 feet, 38 feet, due to the two-car garage, to give them some extra height on those first and second levels.

1291
02:17:43,200 --> 02:17:44,340
That's my personal opinion.

1292
02:17:45,340 --> 02:17:45,600
Thank you.

1293
02:17:51,170 --> 02:18:00,010
front and rear setbacks so I mean help me with this so we know that the front setbacks

1294
02:18:00,010 --> 02:18:09,210
are right here right so Joe explain the rear setbacks where where do the rear setbacks

1295
02:18:09,210 --> 02:18:17,590
apply in this thing in the back of the development are it in the alleyway areas or do we need

1296
02:18:17,590 --> 02:18:19,350
We need to even specify a rear setback.

1297
02:18:21,430 --> 02:18:22,870
Where's the rear setback here?

1298
02:18:30,260 --> 02:18:32,220
Could it look like it's right on the edge of road?

1299
02:18:42,420 --> 02:18:45,800
But on the left side, it looks like there is possibly a setback, right?

1300
02:18:53,340 --> 02:18:54,940
Does this have a rear setback?

1301
02:19:04,280 --> 02:19:07,600
Brandon, you have any comments on rear setbacks, front setbacks?

1302
02:19:09,700 --> 02:19:13,960
Well, I mean, I think if it's in an alley, we could generally permit a little less,

1303
02:19:14,080 --> 02:19:16,840
as long as we're addressing parking sufficiently through another mean.

1304
02:19:16,840 --> 02:19:25,840
But if we are looking to, again, match the character of the shores, then parking would be within the actual unit.

1305
02:19:26,000 --> 02:19:28,440
We talked about a two car parking garage.

1306
02:19:29,600 --> 02:19:36,900
I think that there was sentiment at one point for four cars, noting that that was two cars in addition or

1307
02:19:36,900 --> 02:19:40,600
an access to what our residential district will allow.

1308
02:19:41,100 --> 02:19:44,960
I think we just need to solve that there's sufficient amount of parking.

1309
02:19:44,960 --> 02:19:56,380
And if that is going to be at the rear, vis-a-vis additional parking that's dedicated to the actual owner of the town home rather than separate guest spaces, well then that we are set back should probably address that.

1310
02:19:57,040 --> 02:19:59,920
Absent of that, as Mr. O'Hara pointed out.

1311
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:29,560
And also, I also relate, because I live on a property that has an alley, 95% of the time I'm entering from the alley. And our alley is not bad. But it definitely doesn't feel like a canyon like this one does, because the homes are required to have rear yard setbacks that are significantly larger than this. I think that's probably not realistic for a town home, but I think that this question as to whether or not the rear set yard,

1312
02:20:29,560 --> 02:20:38,040
But rear yard setback is sufficient to allow for parking or not is going to be a function of how we solve the parking problem.

1313
02:20:38,200 --> 02:20:49,740
So if we solve it a different way and the parking is not in the rear, only the two car parking garage but the additional excess parking is elsewhere, then I would say that we needed at least five feet, maybe 10 feet.

1314
02:20:49,820 --> 02:20:54,120
The community said 9.3 feet, I think, so that would be closer to 10 feet.

1315
02:20:55,000 --> 02:21:06,260
That's not enough to accommodate additional parking spaces, so I would say probably at least five feet in the rear yard.

1316
02:21:06,660 --> 02:21:12,740
Unless it fronts what essentially is another frontage, in that case I think we need a different requirement there.

1317
02:21:16,280 --> 02:21:16,680
I would agree.

1318
02:21:16,680 --> 02:21:20,460
Do you have any comments on setbacks?

1319
02:21:21,260 --> 02:21:27,640
Well, again, I think you want to not produce so little available space to build a building

1320
02:21:28,340 --> 02:21:30,620
that no one can do it economically.

1321
02:21:32,940 --> 02:21:37,820
Maybe two or three feet something to say you're not really up against a wall,

1322
02:21:37,820 --> 02:21:40,460
but ten feet strikes me as excessive.

1323
02:21:42,120 --> 02:21:46,760
Again, the idea is that this is more urban living

1324
02:21:46,760 --> 02:21:49,720
than most of us apparently are used to.

1325
02:21:52,200 --> 02:21:58,140
So when I grew up in New York, I lived in a set of rural houses,

1326
02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:04,760
where basically between the two houses you could never open the car door.

1327
02:22:05,220 --> 02:22:09,580
You had to wait until you got back to the backyard where the garage was

1328
02:22:09,580 --> 02:22:14,400
or you parked on the street and I think again we have to have some understanding

1329
02:22:14,400 --> 02:22:20,680
that there are some economics of scale and plus dynamics that we need to at least speak

1330
02:22:20,680 --> 02:22:22,000
somewhat sensitive to.

1331
02:22:24,420 --> 02:22:27,820
So, Brandon, this is probably what a five foot setback would look like.

1332
02:22:29,120 --> 02:22:32,060
Five foot with a two-hour garage and a little bit of green space.

1333
02:22:32,860 --> 02:22:33,280
Probably.

1334
02:22:33,540 --> 02:22:34,040
So I like it.

1335
02:22:34,280 --> 02:22:35,560
I think that would be the minimum.

1336
02:22:37,420 --> 02:22:38,680
Much better than this.

1337
02:22:39,320 --> 02:22:39,800
Yeah.

1338
02:22:42,980 --> 02:22:43,180
Okay.

1339
02:22:47,160 --> 02:22:56,280
Parking, parking is a big issue because nobody wants cars clustered everywhere, comments on parking?

1340
02:22:57,480 --> 02:23:05,040
Well, what I heard the NAR Proffer was two parking spaces per unit and then an additional 73 gas spaces.

1341
02:23:05,300 --> 02:23:12,840
That comes out to 2.26 spaces per unit and what the consensus was from our workshop, I believe was 2.6.

1342
02:23:12,840 --> 02:23:17,440
So although I'm not seeing that jump out off the page of me right now, yes, 2.6 spaces per unit.

1343
02:23:18,200 --> 02:23:19,600
So I think we're almost there.

1344
02:23:20,040 --> 02:23:25,260
I think the question is going to be about how that parking is distributed.

1345
02:23:26,440 --> 02:23:32,520
If we have these 23 and a half or 25 acres, whatever the total area is,

1346
02:23:33,300 --> 02:23:41,480
I think that the zoning code needs to suggest or require rather that all of that gas parking isn't just in one spot,

1347
02:23:41,480 --> 02:23:45,780
but rather distributed such that the walk to get from one spot to another is not too long.

1348
02:23:46,820 --> 02:23:49,780
Otherwise, we're going to wind up having an issue where people are parking on soils.

1349
02:23:52,500 --> 02:23:57,400
So, let's say someone has a little birthday party at the green space there.

1350
02:23:58,360 --> 02:24:01,260
And 20 of their friends come all in their own car.

1351
02:24:02,460 --> 02:24:08,160
I mean, that's my vision is you get cars parking on top of each other and stuff like that.

1352
02:24:08,160 --> 02:24:12,140
So that that would be a concern. I'm wondering if something like this

1353
02:24:13,240 --> 02:24:18,340
They would have like a little lot in the front or somewhere inside the the development

1354
02:24:18,940 --> 02:24:23,340
With 20 spaces or something like that, you know where people can park instead of

1355
02:24:23,340 --> 02:24:27,600
Trying to parallel park in front of the houses and anything like that. So

1356
02:24:28,440 --> 02:24:33,360
Yeah parking is is the issue because it seems like

1357
02:24:33,360 --> 02:24:35,780
It always is not enough

1358
02:24:35,780 --> 02:24:38,820
Do you have any comments on parking?

1359
02:24:39,980 --> 02:24:41,540
No, you're probably right.

1360
02:24:41,740 --> 02:24:42,580
It is never enough.

1361
02:24:43,040 --> 02:24:45,280
I'm not sure how you are.

1362
02:24:45,660 --> 02:24:48,940
I'm not sure where, at least on this site,

1363
02:24:49,160 --> 02:24:53,120
when you would create a lot of parking lots.

1364
02:24:56,150 --> 02:24:56,930
Go ahead, comments?

1365
02:24:58,570 --> 02:24:59,970
I would say more parking.

1366
02:25:02,380 --> 02:25:29,980
And I think when you go to the to that rear setback, I think the rear setback should be small enough that a car cannot park on it to create. Essentially, those are essentially their streets. So it should be something, it shouldn't be 10 feet because then you could essentially park a car in it. So I'd say five feet so that you're not having a whole load of.

1367
02:25:29,980 --> 02:25:35,420
cars back there because essentially that's the street of those units but I think more

1368
02:25:35,420 --> 02:25:44,780
parking is needed because there's nowhere for people to go. You're not in a, you know,

1369
02:25:44,980 --> 02:25:51,600
there's no bus corridor, there's no commercial zone, you're going to park in. It's like if

1370
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:58,520
you are living there, you are going to have to have a vehicle. You're not in a commercial

1371
02:25:58,520 --> 02:26:05,220
corridor. Let me ask Joe a question. The street on the north side of this

1372
02:26:05,220 --> 02:26:12,860
development, what street is that? One-fifteenth. Is there, or does anybody here know

1373
02:26:12,860 --> 02:26:17,460
is there parallel parking or off street parking along one-fifteenth here?

1374
02:26:19,480 --> 02:26:25,760
I don't see if so. So what direction do we give Joe as far as parking?

1375
02:26:29,870 --> 02:26:30,830
I work with

1376
02:26:32,650 --> 02:26:38,150
I mean, let's give them direction as far as what our vision is as far as numbers of units and quantity.

1377
02:26:38,570 --> 02:26:39,570
I'd ask a question.

1378
02:26:40,130 --> 02:26:41,930
We're going to have two and three-bedroom units.

1379
02:26:42,310 --> 02:26:45,650
Does anybody think that a three-bedroom unit is only going to have two cars?

1380
02:26:48,020 --> 02:26:55,720
And if the case is that, yeah, they're going to have more than two cars because it's the parents and

1381
02:26:55,720 --> 02:27:00,100
then eventually at least one kid or two kids are going to have cars, that translates

1382
02:27:00,100 --> 02:27:01,840
relates into up to four cars.

1383
02:27:02,400 --> 02:27:04,180
Maybe that average is somewhere around three,

1384
02:27:04,300 --> 02:27:07,180
four, three bedroom, but we're only providing two,

1385
02:27:07,620 --> 02:27:09,240
and then the rest are supposedly guest spots.

1386
02:27:09,520 --> 02:27:11,040
But those guest spots are going to be consumed

1387
02:27:11,640 --> 02:27:14,740
by the actual residents leaving no guest spots.

1388
02:27:15,400 --> 02:27:19,180
Then we have the shores only park on the west side,

1389
02:27:19,180 --> 02:27:20,460
which is going to attract people,

1390
02:27:20,720 --> 02:27:22,060
and no parking available for that.

1391
02:27:23,460 --> 02:27:25,720
Although the community said 2.6 spaces,

1392
02:27:25,940 --> 02:27:28,320
I feel like we're still painting ourselves into a corner with that.

1393
02:27:28,320 --> 02:27:32,260
I would think that we need to up that number a bit.

1394
02:27:33,000 --> 02:27:39,800
So two dedicated per unit and then what's the right number for additional spaces for visitors?

1395
02:27:40,660 --> 02:27:46,800
I would say three parking spaces required for a three bedroom, two parking spaces required for a two bedroom,

1396
02:27:47,020 --> 02:27:49,740
and then keep the same ratio one to ten on guest.

1397
02:27:50,280 --> 02:27:50,420
No.

1398
02:27:51,100 --> 02:27:52,780
That would be my profit.

1399
02:27:52,780 --> 02:28:06,720
What we should realize is for regularly approved garage conversions that take the garages out of houses and all we require is people have the ability to park two cars on their property.

1400
02:28:07,240 --> 02:28:17,720
To be honest with you, I think that that has been an ongoing problem that hasn't reared itself yet but will likely because people are starting the park on swales and people have been paving swales.

1401
02:28:17,980 --> 02:28:20,980
And now we have that new ordinance that's coming through about purveousness.

1402
02:28:21,680 --> 02:28:23,780
That's going to become an increasing problem.

1403
02:28:24,280 --> 02:28:30,240
I could park nine cars at my house if I really needed to, legally, even though the code only requires two.

1404
02:28:31,000 --> 02:28:37,940
Most single family homes in the shores will have made provisions for at least four cars, most, but not all.

1405
02:28:38,160 --> 02:28:39,520
Our code just doesn't require it.

1406
02:28:42,550 --> 02:28:50,430
And we don't want people parking on the streets or in half way in that five foot swale area behind it, and then blocking it.

1407
02:28:50,430 --> 02:29:02,430
Yeah. What about articulation setbacks? I mean articulation and such. You know, my comment

1408
02:29:02,430 --> 02:29:04,850
was I like the third floor stepped back.

1409
02:29:07,100 --> 02:29:09,760
Let me find the one I was referring to.

1410
02:29:18,480 --> 02:29:19,080
Step

1411
02:29:19,080 --> 02:29:25,380
I want to provide Joe on articulation, stepbacks, et cetera.

1412
02:29:30,090 --> 02:29:30,950
Brandon, lead us here.

1413
02:29:34,770 --> 02:29:35,850
I agree with you, Mr. Bolton.

1414
02:29:35,990 --> 02:29:39,590
I think a third story, step back is appropriate and necessary.

1415
02:29:40,610 --> 02:29:45,570
I think we should also talk about other ways of controlling volumetrics and

1416
02:29:45,570 --> 02:29:49,290
maybe take a page out of what we've done in the recent temporary zoning code or

1417
02:29:49,290 --> 02:29:51,250
that temporary in the recent zoning code that we passed.

1418
02:29:52,410 --> 02:29:58,910
Where we talked about percentages of volumetric expression based on light width, there could

1419
02:29:58,910 --> 02:29:59,770
be something that we could.

1420
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:02,880
We could borrow from that to create a little bit more expression.

1421
02:30:04,920 --> 02:30:10,120
Since we're unable to regulate style, we can regulate volumetrics.

1422
02:30:12,760 --> 02:30:18,840
What FAR would we be looking at here in this picture? Joe,

1423
02:30:24,090 --> 02:30:24,830
gut feeling.

1424
02:30:29,220 --> 02:30:33,880
What FARs were we discussing in our previous discussions?

1425
02:30:37,000 --> 02:30:42,180
.7. Yeah, I think the community would claim .7. The original draft was .65.

1426
02:30:42,180 --> 02:30:49,160
five. The comp plan allows up to one. The closer, I mean, it's all, it's all, uh, do you

1427
02:30:49,160 --> 02:30:55,840
think three stories would exceed 0.7? Depending on the setback, more like a one to have

1428
02:30:55,840 --> 02:31:00,080
some three-story option? I think this is per block, though. It's not, it's not the way we,

1429
02:31:00,220 --> 02:31:04,380
it's not the way we, yeah, it's not the way we apply it on single family lots. I think

1430
02:31:04,380 --> 02:31:07,840
it's per, per quadrant or per block, uh, correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, we need to decide

1431
02:31:07,840 --> 02:31:12,500
that and so that's that's something we'll draft if it were per lot I would

1432
02:31:12,500 --> 02:31:17,540
recommend higher and and here's the thing I don't really know that FAR is

1433
02:31:17,540 --> 02:31:22,420
going to be a much of a controlling factor here if I think we should focus on

1434
02:31:22,420 --> 02:31:27,980
volumetric to think we should focus on stepbacks study where FAR is if it's

1435
02:31:27,980 --> 02:31:32,540
unusually high maybe second guess the way we're going I maybe maybe

1436
02:31:32,540 --> 02:31:39,320
So we still are just throwing the number out there of that and developing the site we're using.

1437
02:31:40,440 --> 02:31:44,820
I wouldn't know where to guess on a gross acreage standpoint, I wouldn't know where to guess.

1438
02:31:45,980 --> 02:31:50,760
Complain suggests one, I mean we might want to go with that or not even wrenching it at all, right?

1439
02:31:50,880 --> 02:31:58,260
Because FAR typically isn't measured in residential, and we can, yeah, so this is floor area ratio per acreage.

1440
02:31:59,420 --> 02:32:03,820
I mean, not like a lot, not like the single-family FAR.

1441
02:32:04,120 --> 02:32:14,300
But yeah, if that's the way we want to write it, yes, I make sense in these terms because you've got one kind of long building that is multiple units.

1442
02:32:16,460 --> 02:32:27,660
I mean, I'll bring something back and we can just mull it over then, but either leave it at one or pull it out and regulate everything with height and

1443
02:32:27,660 --> 02:32:31,760
that backs, but the complaint does mention, and they are.

1444
02:32:31,980 --> 02:32:32,400
Oh, does it?

1445
02:32:32,700 --> 02:32:33,660
I think it says one, right?

1446
02:32:34,500 --> 02:32:35,600
Oh, two.

1447
02:32:36,020 --> 02:32:37,060
So you can't exceed one.

1448
02:32:37,260 --> 02:32:38,360
All right, okay.

1449
02:32:38,860 --> 02:32:40,460
Which kind of gives us the number.

1450
02:32:41,240 --> 02:32:41,580
All right.

1451
02:32:43,540 --> 02:32:43,840
That's good.

1452
02:32:46,340 --> 02:32:48,980
I guess I'd like to discuss articulation.

1453
02:32:49,380 --> 02:32:52,000
See if we can, and I'm making notes here

1454
02:32:52,000 --> 02:32:55,540
so that we can maybe summarize this for you at the end.

1455
02:32:56,800 --> 02:33:02,200
And I don't know if that means we need to make a resolution with the summary or if

1456
02:33:02,200 --> 02:33:06,000
we just provide our comments and guidance to Joe.

1457
02:33:06,300 --> 02:33:07,540
You're doing it now.

1458
02:33:07,660 --> 02:33:08,600
Consensus, okay.

1459
02:33:08,940 --> 02:33:10,080
Yeah, I'd say that.

1460
02:33:10,100 --> 02:33:11,320
And I'll summarize it at the end.

1461
02:33:11,600 --> 02:33:12,320
Yeah, that's fine.

1462
02:33:14,400 --> 02:33:21,840
So I guess further discussion, building expression, articulation, any comments on that?

1463
02:33:21,840 --> 02:33:21,900
That,

1464
02:33:24,870 --> 02:33:26,150
Brandon, you want to leave us?

1465
02:33:28,610 --> 02:33:54,170
Well, the community suggested that, and I think it's also a little bit to do with how the questions were posed, that there would be both the second story and the third story step back, the way that it's narrated in that chart was just for the benefit of everybody else was 15% of lot with for the second story step back so the second story would actually have a more greater step back than the third, and I think the community came out with 15.5%

1466
02:33:54,170 --> 02:34:00,750
and 10.6. I'm very close to what I think we started with. I think that that's

1467
02:34:03,070 --> 02:34:07,630
probably... I would say that probably works. What do you think about this photo

1468
02:34:07,630 --> 02:34:12,230
I have off? So what's the step back there for the third floor? Well the interesting

1469
02:34:12,230 --> 02:34:15,710
thing is the start of the ground floor. If you're looking at the corner, the

1470
02:34:15,710 --> 02:34:19,730
ground floor is already stepped back and so it allows the second floor to be

1471
02:34:19,730 --> 02:34:24,530
co-planar with the ground floor, which creates an interesting volumetric expression between

1472
02:34:24,530 --> 02:34:26,810
the corner and the next townhome unit.

1473
02:34:27,070 --> 02:34:30,010
I'm assuming that's another townhome unit to the right of it.

1474
02:34:30,390 --> 02:34:33,370
That creates some expression, some undulation, if you will, in the facade.

1475
02:34:33,590 --> 02:34:34,970
Otherwise, we're wind up having a flat wall.

1476
02:34:35,250 --> 02:34:36,350
I don't think anyone wants that.

1477
02:34:36,830 --> 02:34:42,370
The third floor step back being greater, I think, seems to make a lot of sense, because it

1478
02:34:42,370 --> 02:34:46,450
dematerializes that mass and makes the ultimate structure feel lower, which is exactly what

1479
02:34:46,450 --> 02:34:47,090
you said earlier.

1480
02:34:47,090 --> 02:34:51,650
I think that's successful and I don't think there's anybody that would complain about that.

1481
02:34:52,170 --> 02:34:54,010
So if we want to try to codify that.

1482
02:34:54,250 --> 02:34:59,410
So option B, we like the articulation expressed in option B.

1483
02:35:01,330 --> 02:35:06,190
As far as giving jokes and guidance. Joe, do you think you can run with something like that?

1484
02:35:08,340 --> 02:35:08,720
Yes.

1485
02:35:14,350 --> 02:35:37,290
Dan? Yeah, I mean, that looks to me like it comes out. It doesn't articulate in it. The third floor sets back because it's word for the fact. And I think what we want to really try to do is to break up the mass of the whole line of townhouses, rather than kind of each individual townhouse and how you figure out

1486
02:35:37,290 --> 02:35:45,030
out that you have some less mass as you go down the street than you do in a single unit.

1487
02:35:45,670 --> 02:35:49,850
So I mean I like the articulation. I think it's important to do something on the first

1488
02:35:49,850 --> 02:35:57,550
and second and third floor. I'm not sure it has to be a whole mass, but it needs to be

1489
02:35:57,550 --> 02:36:03,030
enough that you kind of break up the flat wall look of a line of townhouses.

1490
02:36:06,470 --> 02:36:07,270
And I'm not

1491
02:36:07,270 --> 02:36:12,910
I think here you're looking at, if you look at the town home units as they go down the entire building,

1492
02:36:13,170 --> 02:36:14,630
they're each different for sods, right?

1493
02:36:14,850 --> 02:36:16,530
The first one is step back with the balcony.

1494
02:36:16,710 --> 02:36:18,410
The second one is more traditional.

1495
02:36:19,270 --> 02:36:25,570
The third one has a balcony, but the balcony appears to be pushed forward with a different roof line.

1496
02:36:26,090 --> 02:36:29,570
So each of the, almost each of the frontages is a little bit different.

1497
02:36:29,610 --> 02:36:30,850
It's got a different facade on it.

1498
02:36:30,850 --> 02:36:38,430
So, you would say this photo, there's a lot of articulation expressed here.

1499
02:36:39,530 --> 02:36:44,610
I think every one of those units looks different one way or the other,

1500
02:36:44,730 --> 02:36:49,050
which I think is what you're aiming at trying to achieve, right?

1501
02:36:49,250 --> 02:36:53,950
So, theoretically, the worst case scenario is somebody built a rectangular box

1502
02:36:53,950 --> 02:37:00,430
that was simply the same frontage the whole time with no window treatments or anything like that.

1503
02:37:00,430 --> 02:37:03,710
And in these cases, right, they simply don't do that.

1504
02:37:03,830 --> 02:37:06,390
Now, that's kind of more of what you don't like this thing.

1505
02:37:06,870 --> 02:37:10,610
I think that option, yeah, that's like very little articulation.

1506
02:37:10,770 --> 02:37:12,870
That's as little as possible.

1507
02:37:13,070 --> 02:37:21,090
I mean, that looks like they built the box and they've stuck a balcony on it that hangs out.

1508
02:37:21,310 --> 02:37:26,450
And I don't think that's what you're gunning for, but I think that option B was something that

1509
02:37:26,450 --> 02:37:33,490
the community respond well to because it's even that but I think even more so because

1510
02:37:33,490 --> 02:37:40,190
that's still a box but the third floor the difference is not a step back right so

1511
02:37:40,190 --> 02:37:43,850
you know you're right I mean that when you're stepping that third floor back you

1512
02:37:43,850 --> 02:37:48,890
almost don't you step that way back on option B you it disappeared a lot more yeah

1513
02:37:48,890 --> 02:37:50,430
Yeah, it's almost like, you can't see it.

1514
02:37:53,400 --> 02:37:54,280
What do you think about it?

1515
02:37:55,000 --> 02:37:57,020
So I don't know how you write that language.

1516
02:37:57,460 --> 02:38:00,380
You said we don't want to be in the corner.

1517
02:38:01,720 --> 02:38:03,880
I think we're seeing a couple of things here.

1518
02:38:04,380 --> 02:38:06,880
I think the corner we're seeing a lower height.

1519
02:38:07,600 --> 02:38:09,300
And we're seeing the height start to build

1520
02:38:09,300 --> 02:38:11,960
as we get to the center of the actual block.

1521
02:38:12,700 --> 02:38:15,400
And whether that's a block that's arranged on our street grid

1522
02:38:15,400 --> 02:38:17,880
or whether that's a block that's arranged in a cul-de-sac fashion,

1523
02:38:17,880 --> 02:38:20,880
and I think the two probably are the languages the same.

1524
02:38:22,080 --> 02:38:26,060
I think that from an articulation of mass standpoint,

1525
02:38:26,320 --> 02:38:28,240
the previous example you have was more successful.

1526
02:38:28,660 --> 02:38:33,760
I agree, and I think we could probably codify something

1527
02:38:33,760 --> 02:38:37,720
that pushes an applicant in that direction.

1528
02:38:43,610 --> 02:38:44,890
There are

1529
02:38:47,290 --> 02:38:48,730
also one more comment.

1530
02:38:49,250 --> 02:38:50,930
I think when we talk about setbacks,

1531
02:38:50,930 --> 02:38:53,030
We talk about 15 foot as a minimum.

1532
02:38:53,950 --> 02:38:57,810
Lunar already profits a variation in that setback.

1533
02:38:57,950 --> 02:39:01,290
They were looking at between 15 feet and 17.5.

1534
02:39:02,970 --> 02:39:07,070
What we're seeing there is more of a setback than the difference.

1535
02:39:07,610 --> 02:39:09,630
It's more than a two and a half foot setback.

1536
02:39:09,810 --> 02:39:14,570
So maybe we look at a difference between 15 and 20 feet instead of 17.5.

1537
02:39:15,050 --> 02:39:17,630
That would give it a little bit more articulation.

1538
02:39:17,630 --> 02:39:23,470
and perhaps we could talk about a maximum number of units that can be co-planar with each other

1539
02:39:23,470 --> 02:39:24,770
before a step back is required.

1540
02:39:28,350 --> 02:39:35,270
I think that's a little deceiving though in terms of what we're talking about because there's

1541
02:39:35,270 --> 02:39:43,250
no setback there. If you add a 17 foot setback, I mean 15 foot setback, then that articulation is

1542
02:39:43,250 --> 02:39:47,190
and I have to be quite as extensive as it is.

1543
02:39:51,910 --> 02:39:55,950
If you go back to the slide with, I guess it was a two-store,

1544
02:39:56,110 --> 02:39:57,330
I don't know if that was D,

1545
02:39:58,310 --> 02:39:59,970
would actually have the set back.

1546
02:40:03,020 --> 02:40:05,460
That's it. Now picture.

1547
02:40:07,480 --> 02:40:29,980
Articulation of the three stories set back with the 15 foot set back. And although that's not 15 feet, that's probably about. 10 feet at the most. 10 to 8 feet. So with the 15 foot set back. You've got quite a big difference between what we're actually looking at and so it's deceiving to look at that and think the articulation that we're looking at here is going to be the same.

1548
02:40:32,460 --> 02:40:44,600
What do you think they're not going to be able to have this much setback and the amount of articulation that we're discussing?

1549
02:40:44,920 --> 02:40:45,180
Correct.

1550
02:40:45,560 --> 02:40:50,680
Because it'll just eat too much into the space of the development of the actual townhouse.

1551
02:40:52,000 --> 02:40:53,360
Does that make sense?

1552
02:40:55,940 --> 02:41:02,700
I think we can still consider a variation from 15 to 17.5 at a minimum.

1553
02:41:03,080 --> 02:41:06,560
I think that there's instances where 20 feet could also be considered.

1554
02:41:07,120 --> 02:41:08,580
I'm not opposed to more.

1555
02:41:09,140 --> 02:41:15,600
I mean, just because we have a bigger step back doesn't mean that we're still going to create a canyon if we don't properly articulate that mass.

1556
02:41:16,960 --> 02:41:23,400
If you drive trying to think of an example that is appropriate and nothing's coming to mind.

1557
02:41:24,200 --> 02:41:31,460
But what I will say is this, regardless of the setback, we're only talking about a 15 foot setback.

1558
02:41:31,460 --> 02:41:33,880
We currently have 25 foot setbacks in the art districts.

1559
02:41:34,440 --> 02:41:41,460
If every single house was contiguous with a shared party wall,

1560
02:41:41,460 --> 02:41:44,400
and there were no articulations of the mass,

1561
02:41:44,680 --> 02:41:46,720
it would look like a canyon as this picture does.

1562
02:41:47,560 --> 02:41:49,420
The only thing that's providing this articulation

1563
02:41:49,420 --> 02:41:51,020
is the balcony.

1564
02:41:52,040 --> 02:41:53,980
But you can easily and readily perceive

1565
02:41:53,980 --> 02:41:58,400
the building mass behind it as having no articulation.

1566
02:41:58,640 --> 02:42:02,880
And I think that that would, in my opinion,

1567
02:42:03,220 --> 02:42:03,700
miss the mark.

1568
02:42:04,620 --> 02:42:08,240
I think we should push for more articulation of that mass.

1569
02:42:08,240 --> 02:42:19,720
I agree as well and I mean I just throw out an idea and I don't know if it could be written

1570
02:42:19,720 --> 02:42:29,020
into the code but I think of a site this large I don't know if we can introduce a requirement

1571
02:42:29,020 --> 02:42:38,020
to have some different architectural styles not heights not masses but kind of many neighborhoods

1572
02:42:38,020 --> 02:43:01,640
within the same project, because if you're kind of looking at this site plan, you have East, West, and the Center kind of different things going on within the site, different colors, different, that they all don't have to look like that repetitive throughout the site,

1573
02:43:03,800 --> 02:43:05,920
does that make sense?

1574
02:43:05,920 --> 02:43:07,420
How do you do that?

1575
02:43:07,900 --> 02:43:09,800
It's not going to be a requirement.

1576
02:43:10,040 --> 02:43:13,080
So the draft that you guys currently have,

1577
02:43:13,660 --> 02:43:15,240
and that was available,

1578
02:43:16,060 --> 02:43:19,720
it indicated certain architectural features,

1579
02:43:20,140 --> 02:43:21,440
styles, materials,

1580
02:43:22,280 --> 02:43:24,000
but it was should,

1581
02:43:24,360 --> 02:43:26,800
may, should, you know,

1582
02:43:27,020 --> 02:43:29,140
permissive not must.

1583
02:43:29,760 --> 02:43:32,540
So, you just have to keep that in mind

1584
02:43:32,540 --> 02:43:37,360
that these are suggestions, so to say.

1585
02:43:37,740 --> 02:43:41,800
You can create some language that would do what he's suggesting?

1586
02:43:42,800 --> 02:43:46,740
We can encourage it, but we cannot require it.

1587
02:43:46,940 --> 02:43:53,000
I think there's a massive opportunity to do something special

1588
02:43:53,380 --> 02:43:57,780
and to not do the typical townhome development

1589
02:43:57,780 --> 02:44:00,360
that we would see throughout South Florida.

1590
02:44:00,360 --> 02:44:01,640
I'll leave it there.

1591
02:44:02,680 --> 02:44:07,320
So we could put some language and say, do you score points or something before doing

1592
02:44:07,320 --> 02:44:07,560
that?

1593
02:44:08,240 --> 02:44:08,820
I'm sorry.

1594
02:44:10,180 --> 02:44:14,100
You could create some language that would encourage them to do that, which you probably

1595
02:44:14,100 --> 02:44:14,980
can't squire.

1596
02:44:15,440 --> 02:44:18,840
So we've discussed this several times.

1597
02:44:19,400 --> 02:44:23,880
The Florida law prevents us from requiring certain things.

1598
02:44:23,880 --> 02:44:31,100
And so, as drafted now, it is language that encourages or provide, you know, suggestions

1599
02:44:31,100 --> 02:44:34,540
in terms of style and materials.

1600
02:44:35,320 --> 02:44:42,480
And so, along those same lines, we can do that, but just keep in mind of we do have,

1601
02:44:42,580 --> 02:44:44,020
what is that, choose that, prevail.

1602
02:44:45,620 --> 02:44:51,720
If we went, I mean, I don't want to open up something, but if we went with the PUD, that's

1603
02:44:51,720 --> 02:44:53,400
the only way we could have regulated that.

1604
02:44:54,280 --> 02:44:59,080
No, the PUD would have had to be if I recall correctly from the statute.

1605
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,920
Would have had to already been established. No, that's designed review boards. It's specifically is in, it's in the statute that says PUDs are exempt from that. It's one of the reasons why I asked to go down the road. I think that too is associated with a time frame, but I'll double check for you. I don't think I think that ship sailed. I don't think we can go back to a PUD, but if we could, then that would do a couple of things for the community. One, which wouldn't be conceptual, we would wind up arriving at a site plan that

1606
02:45:29,920 --> 02:45:36,320
people knew that's what's going to get built and we could put into place some requirements that Mr.

1607
02:45:36,400 --> 02:45:41,260
Brady has asked for and Mr. Harris asked for as well with regards to styles.

1608
02:45:42,240 --> 02:45:45,580
Otherwise, its suggestions could, would, should, didn't.

1609
02:45:54,260 --> 02:45:59,180
So I got on my agenda here just I guess two more discussion items for

1610
02:45:59,180 --> 02:46:06,360
us to opine on a little bit and then maybe try to express a summary.

1611
02:46:06,360 --> 02:46:08,840
And plot standards,

1612
02:46:11,380 --> 02:46:17,200
minimum plot standards were suggested at five acres, et cetera.

1613
02:46:17,600 --> 02:46:21,240
Any comments, questions, discussion on plot standards?

1614
02:46:24,670 --> 02:46:25,670
Brandon, you want to lead us?

1615
02:46:27,890 --> 02:46:31,190
Sorry for making you lead.

1616
02:46:32,950 --> 02:46:37,750
Well, the community asked for 6.6 acres from the five.

1617
02:46:37,750 --> 02:46:39,230
I guess,

1618
02:46:41,500 --> 02:46:51,900
and I think the intent was, you have this 25-acre sector, 28-acre sector, whatever it is,

1619
02:46:55,300 --> 02:47:02,240
should we be allowing the CR district to be applied to a lot size that's smaller than that?

1620
02:47:02,480 --> 02:47:05,820
And if so, what is that smaller size?

1621
02:47:07,260 --> 02:47:16,180
I think we need to be careful in allowing the CR District to expand as a default.

1622
02:47:17,500 --> 02:47:24,400
And so when we have this minimum acreage size so small, and I don't know, I'm going to

1623
02:47:24,400 --> 02:47:30,480
use an example, the School of Pedrietry, for example, I don't know if that is, I don't

1624
02:47:30,480 --> 02:47:34,520
know what the acreage of that school is, an additional portion of the Barry University

1625
02:47:34,520 --> 02:47:37,080
to be property if they were still inclined to sell another part of it.

1626
02:47:37,600 --> 02:47:38,940
I don't know what that acreage might be.

1627
02:47:39,920 --> 02:47:41,500
But if we want to try to

1628
02:47:45,820 --> 02:47:51,540
take what we're approving this evening or not this evening,

1629
02:47:51,600 --> 02:47:56,540
but as part of this process and make it implementable, then I would almost think

1630
02:47:56,540 --> 02:48:02,800
that that lot size should be the plot standards that it should be increased in size,

1631
02:48:02,800 --> 02:48:11,160
Unless I'm understanding the application of this, and please, Mr. Court, if I have that backwards in any way.

1632
02:48:13,420 --> 02:48:14,560
No, I think with the plot.

1633
02:48:15,180 --> 02:48:27,520
Does that mean if it's five acres, could this 23 acres be divided, five acres could be single family residences built on it?

1634
02:48:27,520 --> 02:48:32,300
And then another five acres, a multi-family development build on it.

1635
02:48:32,620 --> 02:48:38,560
And then the last 15 acres of townhouse development, is that what that means?

1636
02:48:38,800 --> 02:48:44,140
That's by understanding they can cut it up into the five acre increments, right?

1637
02:48:44,380 --> 02:48:46,240
And develop those five acres.

1638
02:48:46,540 --> 02:48:52,780
So the minimum size development you get is five acre development, and it could be whatever that they had proposed on that five.

1639
02:48:52,780 --> 02:49:03,660
What is our vision? I mean, let's say, you know, Lunar walks from this and then we're stuck with five acre plots.

1640
02:49:04,720 --> 02:49:07,140
We want bigger numbers, any comments?

1641
02:49:09,380 --> 02:49:24,580
I never particularly understood the reason for reducing it from the whole 25 acre plot because I would think that we want to have that whole area developed by one developer at one time.

1642
02:49:24,580 --> 02:49:30,660
time rather than having five developers over the next 30 years develop five

1643
02:49:30,660 --> 02:49:35,100
eight contracts. I mean I don't I don't know if it really means anything

1644
02:49:35,100 --> 02:49:40,020
besides saying that they're five eight contracts and at least my understanding

1645
02:49:40,020 --> 02:49:48,100
over time has been that Barry's plan was to get one person to develop the whole

1646
02:49:48,100 --> 02:49:54,460
thing and Lamar's plan when it purchases or finalizes to purchase is to

1647
02:49:54,460 --> 02:49:59,640
developed the whole thing at one time, though the nature of the development has changed

1648
02:50:06,180 --> 02:50:29,980
I don't know if it matters, if it matters, then keep it at five. If it doesn't matter, I would think you'd want to take the whole slot and have it, the whole property and have it. It might be the opposite. So, if it matters, then we actually increase it to match the current size of this proposal. Why? Because we, we, we,

1649
02:50:29,980 --> 02:50:40,340
We understand that this is at the current time a single developer looking to develop this and we cannot possibly envision what multiple developers might do with this code.

1650
02:50:40,920 --> 02:50:42,920
We could always amend this code later on.

1651
02:50:43,280 --> 02:50:46,380
This is codified and we say it's 23.5 acres as the minimum.

1652
02:50:47,080 --> 02:50:52,660
That essentially guarantees that only one developer is going to take this, it's one concept there.

1653
02:50:52,660 --> 02:51:22,340
They have, it's one developer that needs to answer to the community rather than an assortment of different developers that need to answer to the community, and ultimately if something should happen, the development doesn't move forward for whatever reason, if it's later identified that that's the issue, we could always come back and amend that, but I think the safe road might be to make that the size of the actual 23 and a half acres or 25, we're all confused as to what the exact acreage is, but whatever that is,

1654
02:51:22,340 --> 02:51:24,400
just make it that right

1655
02:51:28,080 --> 02:51:33,960
if I may just the circle back I just want to verify for the record my

1656
02:51:33,960 --> 02:51:40,720
recollection of the law was correct that regardless of whether it's a PUD or not if it was not in

1657
02:51:40,720 --> 02:51:48,240
place prior to July 1st 2023 we cannot enforce certain architectural standards so that's where we are

1658
02:51:48,240 --> 02:51:49,340
Thanks for the clarification.

1659
02:51:51,080 --> 02:51:56,660
All right, so I'm just to move on from the plot. So Brandon's of the opinion

1660
02:51:57,760 --> 02:51:59,920
The full 23 acres

1661
02:52:00,760 --> 02:52:04,960
Or whatever the 23 the developer a

1662
02:52:05,480 --> 02:52:07,360
Developable acreage be

1663
02:52:08,900 --> 02:52:12,260
Restricted to the lot size any other opinion on that any

1664
02:52:14,540 --> 02:52:16,480
opposing opinions to it

1665
02:52:17,180 --> 02:52:19,220
Yeah, I'm kind of just thinking

1666
02:52:21,340 --> 02:52:28,680
you know, about the architectural style things, that if you thought about this as two separate

1667
02:52:28,680 --> 02:52:38,020
sites divided by a road, where you, if you had, you could have that what's labeled as

1668
02:52:38,020 --> 02:52:38,880
the West parcel,

1669
02:52:40,980 --> 02:52:48,420
be a development in one, in one architectural style, and then cite to

1670
02:52:48,420 --> 02:52:54,820
to the East parcel, something in a different architectural style, because there would be two

1671
02:52:56,080 --> 02:52:56,560
problems.

1672
02:52:56,560 --> 02:53:00,560
But there's nothing restricting you from doing that if it's still one site.

1673
02:53:00,900 --> 02:53:05,180
I mean, that's just architecture style, in the way I would see it, right?

1674
02:53:05,500 --> 02:53:08,880
Well, I think what you're saying, I think we're in the same owner, same developer, but

1675
02:53:08,880 --> 02:53:11,140
difference in this architectural style.

1676
02:53:12,040 --> 02:53:17,700
I think what you're referring to, Mr. Harris, that if we reduce the size, minimum plot

1677
02:53:17,700 --> 02:53:19,560
that size, then potentially it could be two developers.

1678
02:53:20,960 --> 02:53:25,180
Sure, that's a possibility, but right now, it's just Lanar.

1679
02:53:25,820 --> 02:53:27,620
And they may sell it to somebody else, of course.

1680
02:53:28,100 --> 02:53:29,840
I mean, that happens all the time in the development world.

1681
02:53:30,420 --> 02:53:33,060
We will get an approval on a project and we'll sell it

1682
02:53:33,060 --> 02:53:35,260
and we have no control over what that next person does.

1683
02:53:36,080 --> 02:53:37,000
That's the downfall.

1684
02:53:37,180 --> 02:53:40,260
At least here, we've been going through the process with Lanar.

1685
02:53:42,940 --> 02:53:50,600
There's one single point that we have to go after, so to speak, if they don't honor the

1686
02:53:50,600 --> 02:53:54,820
commitments they've made to us verbally in these meetings, but if it's sold, well, that

1687
02:53:54,820 --> 02:53:55,960
person didn't make those commitments.

1688
02:53:56,680 --> 02:54:03,560
So I think that's the concern to keep the acreage higher, but to address your concern because

1689
02:54:03,560 --> 02:54:08,740
Because we can't regulate building design language, whether or not we're a PUD or otherwise,

1690
02:54:10,480 --> 02:54:20,200
we can only put those suggestions in place that perhaps one side of the site is developed with a certain style and the other is developed with another style.

1691
02:54:20,400 --> 02:54:22,940
We see if the applicant is willing to offer that to us.

1692
02:54:22,940 --> 02:54:23,920
Thank

1693
02:54:27,020 --> 02:54:32,180
you. Any other comments on that landscaping streetscape.

1694
02:54:34,980 --> 02:54:41,720
Our public input study talks

1695
02:54:41,720 --> 02:54:45,940
about sidewalks, parking,

1696
02:54:48,360 --> 02:54:52,380
visitor parking. We discussed those streetscape. I guess in

1697
02:54:52,380 --> 02:54:59,460
that would be common open space percentage so any discussion comments on landscaping

1698
02:55:00,020 --> 02:55:08,280
Street skate, open space requirements that we want to provide some guidance to Joe on.

1699
02:55:09,880 --> 02:55:20,500
In regards to common open green space, it may have to change for parking. If we want more parking, the green space may have to shrink.

1700
02:55:20,500 --> 02:55:29,060
So that needs to be waived in terms of making a suggestion on the amount of green space.

1701
02:55:30,360 --> 02:55:33,140
The alternative to that is that the built space shrinks,

1702
02:55:35,400 --> 02:55:36,340
the project was still canceled.

1703
02:55:39,350 --> 02:55:46,030
So I know I saw here, I thought 20%.

1704
02:55:46,030 --> 02:55:54,750
Let me see, common open space, 20%, the average was higher among the workshop at 39%.

1705
02:55:55,770 --> 02:56:03,350
We'd suggested 20 there, I don't really have my arms around with 20 to 39%.

1706
02:56:03,350 --> 02:56:11,190
Maybe I could ask Lunar a question, just to give us a feel for this, do you have a number

1707
02:56:11,190 --> 02:56:17,890
or an idea on your plot that you showed us, what the percent of green space was?

1708
02:56:20,080 --> 02:56:21,860
Or a common open space?

1709
02:56:27,930 --> 02:56:29,530
Do you have any questions on that, though?

1710
02:56:32,480 --> 02:56:33,420
Thank you for the question.

1711
02:56:33,740 --> 02:56:37,480
We stand presently at approximately 26 percent open space.

1712
02:56:37,580 --> 02:56:44,200
In my open space, I want to emphasize, we mean green landscapes, right, open space,

1713
02:56:44,200 --> 02:56:46,340
as opposed to parking areas, et cetera.

1714
02:56:46,340 --> 02:56:50,880
So, black top, paved areas is not included in that number.

1715
02:56:52,040 --> 02:56:52,200
Okay.

1716
02:56:52,660 --> 02:56:57,200
With sidewalks, walking sidewalks and grass and landscaping is 26 percent.

1717
02:56:57,760 --> 02:57:01,440
All the amenities and improvements and enhancements that come with open space.

1718
02:57:02,960 --> 02:57:04,560
Does that include the park?

1719
02:57:05,400 --> 02:57:08,880
No, no, no, no, no, that's what I wanted to be clear, thank you for is there?

1720
02:57:08,960 --> 02:57:10,020
It does not include the park?

1721
02:57:10,260 --> 02:57:10,620
It does not.

1722
02:57:10,860 --> 02:57:14,400
That just includes the within the development, okay?

1723
02:57:14,400 --> 02:57:21,820
The amenity common area, so to speak, yes, so common open space exclusive of the park that's that would include landscape boulevards,

1724
02:57:22,000 --> 02:57:25,540
medians, sidewalks, pathways, walking pathways,

1725
02:57:27,820 --> 02:57:28,980
swales, yes

1726
02:57:29,660 --> 02:57:30,980
anything that is

1727
02:57:31,660 --> 02:57:39,640
Outside of a lot line that is not paved for vehicular travel or vehicle travel, I think it's a very difficult for it, yes

1728
02:57:40,840 --> 02:57:49,800
And we have a separate metric for, I don't think we have a separate metric for parks though, that might be the challenge there, so we would need to,

1729
02:57:51,220 --> 02:57:56,220
I think we can likely, well, the comprehensive plan already has some standards in place.

1730
02:57:56,800 --> 02:58:02,360
And it's on a per capita basis, I think we might look at what that translates into Mr.

1731
02:58:02,360 --> 02:58:13,100
You know, Joe, with respect to the proposal that we, you know, the conceptual proposal

1732
02:58:13,100 --> 02:58:17,120
that we have to really identify that, you know, where they at with respect to the,

1733
02:58:17,260 --> 02:58:20,840
to the per capita requirements that are in the comprehensive plan.

1734
02:58:23,180 --> 02:58:28,420
If I know, if I may, too, just to compliment my previous answer, I am reminded that

1735
02:58:28,420 --> 02:58:36,900
That open space figure does not include the amount of land intended to be dedicated for an expansion of the charter school.

1736
02:58:37,600 --> 02:58:41,000
So that has been excluded from that calculation, just to make sense.

1737
02:58:41,000 --> 02:58:42,100
Which makes sense, yes.

1738
02:58:50,420 --> 02:58:59,540
All right, so I guess I've hit on all I think the main items that I can think of, is there any other main items?

1739
02:58:59,860 --> 02:59:01,460
Any board members would like to discuss?

1740
02:59:02,080 --> 02:59:04,840
And then I'd like to open it to public comment.

1741
02:59:04,840 --> 02:59:13,360
And then after public comment, I'd like to try to summarize what we discussed for Joe, so we can take that away.

1742
02:59:13,680 --> 02:59:14,940
Did we touch roof tax?

1743
02:59:17,420 --> 02:59:23,980
For board member discussion, no, I did ask the question to Lanar, but for board member discussion, no, let's discuss it.

1744
02:59:24,300 --> 02:59:28,360
23% of the public said yes, allow roof tax, 77% said no.

1745
02:59:31,580 --> 02:59:32,880
Do we want to?

1746
02:59:34,520 --> 02:59:41,720
I'm not as offended with them on the third floor when it stepped back significantly like you see in this picture here.

1747
02:59:42,280 --> 02:59:51,160
Well, there's a railing there. I wonder if that particular condition might create a nuisance,

1748
02:59:51,160 --> 02:59:55,440
particularly if it bounds a single-family residential area.

1749
02:59:56,620 --> 02:59:59,420
you know, in this higher density area where the roof deck might be

1750
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:29,720
A jason to another unit that also has a roof deck, maybe what we want to do is then just say roof decks are not permissible along the boundaries of the site. Were there an exterior perimeter boundaries of the site? Yeah, were there a jason to an art district? Maybe that, I don't know if that solves the public's concern or not. I think we would want to hear public comments and see if there's anything there, but I think that's the only thing we didn't discuss. Are you referring to open roof decks?

1751
03:00:29,720 --> 03:00:30,620
or roofed.

1752
03:00:30,720 --> 03:00:31,120
They're both.

1753
03:00:32,600 --> 03:00:32,980
Like that.

1754
03:00:33,200 --> 03:00:33,960
On the third floor there.

1755
03:00:34,460 --> 03:00:34,660
Okay.

1756
03:00:35,380 --> 03:00:36,260
Well, the third floor.

1757
03:00:36,520 --> 03:00:37,780
Like I said, you had a terrace, right?

1758
03:00:37,940 --> 03:00:38,160
Mm-hmm.

1759
03:00:38,300 --> 03:00:39,400
And that was at the third floor.

1760
03:00:39,780 --> 03:00:43,240
I don't think that that's a point of congregation where you could put 15, 20 people up there.

1761
03:00:43,460 --> 03:00:43,560
Right.

1762
03:00:44,040 --> 03:00:47,940
But as a roof deck, on the other hand, you might have a pretty bumping party up there.

1763
03:00:48,040 --> 03:00:48,160
No.

1764
03:00:50,220 --> 03:00:55,540
That might wind up annoying the neighbors, particularly if it's a repeated occurrence, which,

1765
03:00:55,700 --> 03:00:57,340
with more density, it might be more repeated.

1766
03:00:57,340 --> 03:01:04,340
So I think if we keep that away from our district, it's probably okay, but I would want to know what the public has to say about that.

1767
03:01:04,400 --> 03:01:14,360
Would the contention that the open ones we don't want, but the ones that are actually have a roofed area over it, more like a balcony than an open roofed area?

1768
03:01:14,920 --> 03:01:19,120
And I think probably we get into definitions about what is a roof deck versus what's a terrace?

1769
03:01:19,120 --> 03:01:26,080
Harris having a maximum occupancy associated with it, perhaps to assuage those concerns.

1770
03:01:29,670 --> 03:01:31,750
Any other comments?

1771
03:01:33,730 --> 03:01:34,290
Concerns?

1772
03:01:35,490 --> 03:01:39,590
All right, with that said, I'd like to open the, sir.

1773
03:01:40,590 --> 03:01:45,090
Three minutes to use the head and where we go to public comment, stretch my legs.

1774
03:01:46,070 --> 03:01:46,350
Thank you.

1775
03:01:51,540 --> 03:01:52,240
Three minutes.

1776
03:01:52,660 --> 03:01:52,900
Yes.

1777
03:02:04,760 --> 03:02:11,360
So I was going to go ahead and open this to public comment and then after public comment

1778
03:02:11,360 --> 03:02:17,000
I want to try to summarize our discussion for our planning director.

1779
03:02:17,780 --> 03:02:20,420
With that said, I'd like to open it for public comment.

1780
03:02:20,720 --> 03:02:25,060
If you want to comment, please state your name and address prior to your comments.

1781
03:02:25,260 --> 03:02:25,660
Thank you.

1782
03:02:25,660 --> 03:02:26,460
Hi,

1783
03:02:35,720 --> 03:02:38,420
Nancy Dawson, 45 North East and A6 street.

1784
03:02:39,180 --> 03:02:44,140
I heard one comment at first that I thought was odd when someone was asking about, there

1785
03:02:44,140 --> 03:02:50,260
was a comment to find out if for Lanar, it was economically feasible or financially feasible.

1786
03:02:51,060 --> 03:02:56,220
And I thought, it's not our responsibility to try to make one more profit, you know.

1787
03:02:56,720 --> 03:03:02,740
And so I'm looking at things like, even though it was really nice in one spot that they put

1788
03:03:02,740 --> 03:03:08,160
part of Park in place, I thought of 103rd Street going north, the whole entire section

1789
03:03:08,160 --> 03:03:13,160
of all of Northwest shores, all of everything all the way north of 103rd, no one else gets

1790
03:03:13,160 --> 03:03:18,380
parks. So I'm starting to think one of the things that the neighbors want, we want to

1791
03:03:18,380 --> 03:03:25,100
be neighborly, but we don't want them encroaching on us, parking on our swales, increasing foot

1792
03:03:25,100 --> 03:03:31,300
traffic up and down our streets. And so we might not want it gated, but I'm thinking if

1793
03:03:31,300 --> 03:03:35,560
If you say you're going to have a really nice green space, well it doesn't take too much

1794
03:03:35,560 --> 03:03:41,340
for someone to scoot in between someone to bushes and then a bush becomes a shrub and

1795
03:03:41,340 --> 03:03:45,360
then it becomes nothing and then the grass becomes dirt and then when it rains it becomes

1796
03:03:45,360 --> 03:03:45,720
mud.

1797
03:03:46,640 --> 03:03:51,760
So now you've got mud and dirt and people jumping in and then when they want to get out

1798
03:03:51,760 --> 03:03:55,320
if they have overflow parking, now they're going to park where, but they're going to park

1799
03:03:55,320 --> 03:03:58,460
in the person's yard right in front of the townhouse.

1800
03:03:58,460 --> 03:04:02,360
Well, then if there's not enough then they're going to park along and then they're going to make you know

1801
03:04:02,360 --> 03:04:07,140
pedestrian parking all the way and then if that's not in the front of they're going to go down the avenues and

1802
03:04:07,140 --> 03:04:12,840
then you're going to have people strangers walking up and down the street and one of the things we love about our neighborhood at least

1803
03:04:12,840 --> 03:04:21,920
I walk a lot at night is how quiet it is and how you don't have people that you don't know and we're not talking about residents now

1804
03:04:21,920 --> 03:04:22,820
We're talking about

1805
03:04:22,820 --> 03:04:29,260
strangers that don't have enough overflow parking, so I think that to preserve

1806
03:04:29,260 --> 03:04:34,200
our safety and our quiet and our beautiful streets, you have to think about

1807
03:04:34,200 --> 03:04:38,260
more parking. Why don't you just go over to the preserve? Whoever designed that

1808
03:04:38,260 --> 03:04:44,540
place, pretty amazing. They've got four different, they've got lots of parking, lots,

1809
03:04:44,940 --> 03:04:47,540
and lots of parking, and that's not all I want to say. Thank you.

1810
03:04:56,180 --> 03:04:57,000
Good evening,

1811
03:04:57,000 --> 03:04:59,900
Maria McGuinness, 1250 Northeast, 101st Street.

1812
03:05:00,580 --> 03:05:29,960
Thank you for the presentation and the summary of the workshop. I think the consultants did a very fair job of accurately reflecting what transpired. And actually assimilating the information that was contributed to by the people who attended. There were over 86 attendees and a good portion of them participated. And thank you to the representatives of Alinar to give the presentation that they gave tonight as well. I just like to highlight two things that I

1813
03:05:29,960 --> 03:05:33,920
I think sum up what really needs to be focused on.

1814
03:05:34,980 --> 03:05:36,680
Neighbors and nature.

1815
03:05:38,100 --> 03:05:41,780
And I think that the two developers that started this village

1816
03:05:41,780 --> 03:05:46,900
over 90 years ago and our zoning code reflects it as well.

1817
03:05:47,700 --> 03:05:51,180
The developers that came in both Shoreland Company

1818
03:05:51,180 --> 03:05:54,740
and also the Bessemer properties were very respectful

1819
03:05:55,700 --> 03:05:58,320
of the land and the proportionality of the land.

1820
03:05:58,320 --> 03:06:02,760
And also using the nature, understanding cross winds when there was no air conditioning.

1821
03:06:03,360 --> 03:06:06,400
I went on a tour of centennial homes that have stood the test of time.

1822
03:06:06,580 --> 03:06:10,000
They've been through all sorts of storms and hurricanes and things like that.

1823
03:06:10,660 --> 03:06:16,300
So to me, the overarching principles that are already established well in this village

1824
03:06:17,000 --> 03:06:24,980
is the neighbors being considerate of the neighbors and the new neighbors that are going to live there and that there's reciprocity.

1825
03:06:24,980 --> 03:06:27,760
And also nature, what we've been experiencing.

1826
03:06:28,440 --> 03:06:35,240
Six months ago, or less than six months ago, this village experienced flooding like I've never seen, and I've been here for a very long time.

1827
03:06:36,860 --> 03:06:42,660
The zoning code itself talks about what the objectives are.

1828
03:06:42,880 --> 03:06:53,800
That our zoning code is for the protection, promotion of the safety, health, comfort, morals, convenience, peace, prosperity, appearance, and general welfare of the village and its inhabitants.

1829
03:06:53,800 --> 03:06:59,060
And then more specifically for the following purposes, and it talks about protecting the

1830
03:06:59,060 --> 03:07:02,940
distinctive characters of Miami-Shore's village that's resulted from everything.

1831
03:07:05,800 --> 03:07:08,240
There's a lot of things that were said tonight that need clarification.

1832
03:07:08,900 --> 03:07:14,640
I will be happy to share it on a separate time, but your north star should be the comp plan

1833
03:07:14,640 --> 03:07:15,140
to be in with.

1834
03:07:15,620 --> 03:07:16,960
You need to look at the zoning code.

1835
03:07:17,360 --> 03:07:22,300
Multi-families already established, and the restrictions are similar to R1 and every other

1836
03:07:22,300 --> 03:07:23,060
district of R.

1837
03:07:23,060 --> 03:07:25,500
So I don't know why we're jumping off here.

1838
03:07:25,920 --> 03:07:26,720
All right, thank you.

1839
03:07:26,880 --> 03:07:27,640
Thank you.

1840
03:07:30,120 --> 03:07:34,600
Let's, let's, let's not, let's not interrupt the meeting.

1841
03:07:34,600 --> 03:07:35,100
Thank you, Mayor.

1842
03:07:36,200 --> 03:07:39,480
Max Wolf architect 107 North East 96 Street.

1843
03:07:40,920 --> 03:07:47,900
The last, this meeting, the last meeting, 100% improvements over what we went through for the first two years.

1844
03:07:48,060 --> 03:07:50,540
I've changed a lot of my thoughts tonight and I can't read my handwriting.

1845
03:07:50,540 --> 03:08:20,520
But the most important thing is that whatever we do is respecting the existing single family neighborhood and one of the things you talked about tonight that I haven't I used to serve on a planning zoning board and I couldn't do it because all everybody ever talked about they said style but people think of color and materials and that's it that's all they think of tonight you finally talked about proportion scale texture indentations not indentations so how do we we can't put that in the code you

1846
03:08:20,520 --> 03:08:39,960
We said you can't tell somebody what the style is, but you can control style by saying well maybe instead of 15 foot we have a 20 foot set back and then 30% of it can go into 15 or the same thing with height you go to 35 feet but you step that back or maybe there are some open decks up on top because now we don't have all the slope groups.

1847
03:08:39,960 --> 03:08:42,600
We have some up, some down, some in, some back.

1848
03:08:42,760 --> 03:08:46,400
Those are the kind of things that are architectural style.

1849
03:08:47,000 --> 03:08:48,780
I live in the spec house from 90 shores.

1850
03:08:49,220 --> 03:08:50,940
It's just the box along the street.

1851
03:08:51,380 --> 03:08:52,620
But it has thick walls.

1852
03:08:53,000 --> 03:08:55,540
We have large doors that can open up for ventilation.

1853
03:08:56,220 --> 03:08:59,280
That we can park nine people on our property, like you said,

1854
03:08:59,820 --> 03:09:01,200
without parking on the street.

1855
03:09:01,320 --> 03:09:04,060
So how do we get some of those elements into this plan?

1856
03:09:04,700 --> 03:09:05,900
And I know we're going to go fast.

1857
03:09:06,080 --> 03:09:08,200
I know this is a legislative process,

1858
03:09:08,200 --> 03:09:13,140
because not the quasi-judicial, so, and yet we did see a site plan, so it changed my

1859
03:09:13,140 --> 03:09:13,920
mind on something.

1860
03:09:14,160 --> 03:09:18,580
I was all for all integrated streets and everything that that involves like on

1861
03:09:18,580 --> 03:09:25,340
neighborhood now, that called us that type of parking and driving layout is

1862
03:09:25,340 --> 03:09:29,780
important because we can't have 100 homes around the perimeter all opening onto our

1863
03:09:29,780 --> 03:09:30,060
streets.

1864
03:09:30,520 --> 03:09:31,480
That's not going to work.

1865
03:09:31,620 --> 03:09:36,500
So how do we take that he showed four different areas where we can get in and out

1866
03:09:36,500 --> 03:09:39,420
of the properties. Maybe they can move. Maybe you can do something a little different.

1867
03:09:39,800 --> 03:09:43,580
Get away from the entrance to the charter school. There are a lot of things that can happen.

1868
03:09:44,680 --> 03:09:48,920
Maybe the alleys in the back a little bit wider. The park and park sideways next to the house

1869
03:09:48,920 --> 03:09:51,720
when your son comes and visits. You know, thank you.

1870
03:09:58,070 --> 03:09:58,790
Good evening.

1871
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:06,440
Becky Leonard, 9300, northeast, 4th Avenue, long time resident of Miami Shores.

1872
03:10:09,030 --> 03:10:31,710
I like the ideas of everybody talking. I really do not want this section to be a different section for Miami Shores. I would like to see the streets continue so that if you're over on 109th Street, you can keep going through and get to that area. I'd rather almost see

1873
03:10:31,710 --> 03:10:35,790
that than have the greenways, the parks and that kind of thing just shorten that down.

1874
03:10:36,370 --> 03:10:41,550
I like the fact that there's enough easement in front just like it is on the other side

1875
03:10:41,550 --> 03:10:42,550
of Miami shores.

1876
03:10:43,250 --> 03:10:50,590
It should be the same, sidewalks, alleys, green space even in the back where the alleys

1877
03:10:50,590 --> 03:10:57,350
are so you can put your trash cans on your grass instead of on the cement.

1878
03:10:58,070 --> 03:11:01,930
But I don't like the fact that they're all boxes.

1879
03:11:02,650 --> 03:11:05,190
I have a box across the street for me in the house.

1880
03:11:05,190 --> 03:11:07,110
It's two stories and it looks horrible.

1881
03:11:07,550 --> 03:11:08,930
It does not fit in our community.

1882
03:11:09,710 --> 03:11:12,130
This stuff doesn't fit in our community either.

1883
03:11:12,290 --> 03:11:15,390
We need something that looks like it fits.

1884
03:11:16,490 --> 03:11:17,810
I know he say it's modern.

1885
03:11:18,070 --> 03:11:19,790
I'm not a modern person.

1886
03:11:19,950 --> 03:11:22,030
I have a 1950s house and I love it.

1887
03:11:23,010 --> 03:11:26,070
But you need some architectural change to it,

1888
03:11:26,070 --> 03:11:29,630
so that it's not, it doesn't look just like a box, you know?

1889
03:11:29,910 --> 03:11:34,830
Just like what Mr. Sternman said, the fact that you can put some arches in and

1890
03:11:34,830 --> 03:11:37,670
you can make it a little higher and lower and do that kind of thing.

1891
03:11:38,150 --> 03:11:40,910
I also don't think you really need three stories.

1892
03:11:41,870 --> 03:11:45,670
I'm not sure that we have any three story houses if we do, I'm surprised.

1893
03:11:46,430 --> 03:11:53,490
But we don't need three, have two, and make it look like the rest of our village.

1894
03:11:53,490 --> 03:11:59,530
I think that's what's most important, so that they belong and be part of our community.

1895
03:12:00,070 --> 03:12:02,330
Not something different.

1896
03:12:03,890 --> 03:12:08,170
So, thank you very much. I appreciate all of your time and a lot of hard work.

1897
03:12:08,630 --> 03:12:09,050
Thank you.

1898
03:12:09,250 --> 03:12:09,610
Thank you.

1899
03:12:13,660 --> 03:12:17,180
Good evening, Hutch Gervitz, 315 Northeast 95th Street.

1900
03:12:18,200 --> 03:12:18,660
Miami Shores.

1901
03:12:19,620 --> 03:12:22,260
I was just wondering, we keep talking about townhouses.

1902
03:12:22,260 --> 03:12:24,880
because I think about townhouses,

1903
03:12:25,040 --> 03:12:27,120
I think you got a house, a townhouse,

1904
03:12:27,280 --> 03:12:27,920
the red or what size,

1905
03:12:28,220 --> 03:12:30,000
then you got some green space in between,

1906
03:12:30,660 --> 03:12:32,040
then you have another townhouse.

1907
03:12:33,220 --> 03:12:36,780
These are just like a block, one big block, right?

1908
03:12:36,940 --> 03:12:39,320
There's really, you can hear your neighbor through the wall.

1909
03:12:40,800 --> 03:12:41,420
Am I right?

1910
03:12:41,580 --> 03:12:43,520
Is what all these reviews were?

1911
03:12:44,020 --> 03:12:46,120
This is public comment, not discussion.

1912
03:12:46,860 --> 03:12:48,480
So just give us your comments please.

1913
03:12:48,640 --> 03:12:49,740
Okay, my comment is,

1914
03:12:49,740 --> 03:12:56,780
I like the idea of a townhouse being a building, green space, another townhouse.

1915
03:12:57,720 --> 03:13:02,560
And my common is when I look at these presentations of the pictures, they look like just one big

1916
03:13:02,560 --> 03:13:08,440
long unit with you, you know, your neighbor, there's no space in between your wall and

1917
03:13:08,440 --> 03:13:08,860
their wall.

1918
03:13:09,160 --> 03:13:09,900
It's just a wall.

1919
03:13:10,640 --> 03:13:12,060
And you know, that's my common.

1920
03:13:12,820 --> 03:13:13,540
Sorry about that.

1921
03:13:13,620 --> 03:13:14,000
I didn't know.

1922
03:13:14,160 --> 03:13:14,800
Thank you.

1923
03:13:14,920 --> 03:13:18,420
But townhouses do share a common wall, so they are connected.

1924
03:13:18,920 --> 03:13:22,600
I guess what you're thinking is more of a villa, yes.

1925
03:13:23,740 --> 03:13:26,200
It's more single, what you're thinking is single family.

1926
03:13:26,820 --> 03:13:29,840
Yeah, it's not town, not small, but I can count house.

1927
03:13:29,940 --> 03:13:33,580
So you're thinking single family with reduced side setbacks?

1928
03:13:33,780 --> 03:13:35,520
Would that kind of be what you're describing?

1929
03:13:36,080 --> 03:13:36,160
Yeah.

1930
03:13:36,540 --> 03:13:37,220
Well, it's a thought.

1931
03:13:42,690 --> 03:13:44,470
Hello, thank you for all you do.

1932
03:13:45,310 --> 03:13:47,210
My name is Chrissy Kierella.

1933
03:13:48,490 --> 03:13:50,470
1066 Northeast 10th place.

1934
03:13:53,590 --> 03:14:09,790
My biggest concern, I mean I know we couldn't talk about style but I do think that those at least this looks a little bit overwhelming kind of how the other gentleman said it doesn't really look like a house or like a townhouse they look like apartments.

1935
03:14:11,450 --> 03:14:17,770
I don't know how you can make it better. I do think that a setback, maybe a second green space.

1936
03:14:17,770 --> 03:14:23,530
face outside of the sidewalk and perhaps this isn't what you are all we're talking about.

1937
03:14:24,610 --> 03:14:28,510
And it does seem too tall and too square.

1938
03:14:31,170 --> 03:14:33,030
Parking is a big concern.

1939
03:14:33,290 --> 03:14:38,890
I think that units should have four parkings because I really think we'll have an overflow

1940
03:14:38,890 --> 03:14:39,730
problem.

1941
03:14:40,030 --> 03:14:44,450
And I wonder if Barry is selling, I think it's an overflow parking.

1942
03:14:44,450 --> 03:14:49,010
what parking is, are the students going to use and the people at

1943
03:14:49,010 --> 03:14:53,310
Barry? Will they start parking around our neighborhood? I am concerned about

1944
03:14:53,310 --> 03:14:59,070
that. I actually work at Barry and so I see people parking. You know they

1945
03:14:59,070 --> 03:14:59,850
It would even order.

1946
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:16,360
We're Amazon packages to people's houses, so they didn't have to go to the mail room. This is what students do. But yes, I hope you continue the good work and we need like more setbacks. That's what it seems. Thank you.

1947
03:15:22,410 --> 03:15:35,230
Good evening. I'm Angela Marinas, 118 North West 104th Street. I am the Barry neighbor. I live in that community. I moved to this community.

1948
03:15:35,230 --> 03:15:39,770
community in 2002, because I wanted to live in a village.

1949
03:15:40,250 --> 03:15:41,870
I wanted the quaintness.

1950
03:15:42,430 --> 03:15:47,490
I wanted single family homes where I could come home and meet my neighbors in my front

1951
03:15:47,490 --> 03:15:51,030
lawn, have a cup of coffee, or invite them to my yard.

1952
03:15:51,870 --> 03:15:56,730
So what I see today, that, first of all, doesn't say luxury.

1953
03:15:57,750 --> 03:16:00,210
So Lenard, you're missing the mark.

1954
03:16:01,210 --> 03:16:06,090
Village of Miami Shores, it's a luxury homes.

1955
03:16:06,710 --> 03:16:14,050
You drive up and down the street and 90% of the homes are valued over a million dollar.

1956
03:16:15,050 --> 03:16:19,570
That is not a home I would buy.

1957
03:16:20,490 --> 03:16:28,230
And I'm pretty sure the individuals that would consider buying there may not even consider it.

1958
03:16:28,230 --> 03:16:35,490
So here's, I have, I'm going to ask a couple of questions and I'm going to leave that with you guys.

1959
03:16:36,270 --> 03:16:42,790
Why are we not creating a development with a plan for efficiencies to improve sustainability,

1960
03:16:43,830 --> 03:16:49,030
to create and enhance the quality of life on the Northwest side? Why?

1961
03:16:49,030 --> 03:16:59,590
We are not using the right now that Northwest has changed significantly in the last five to ten years.

1962
03:17:00,770 --> 03:17:07,210
I ask this board to please look at our Northwest side.

1963
03:17:07,770 --> 03:17:09,430
That does not belong there.

1964
03:17:11,090 --> 03:17:14,950
Another topic that I will leave you with, the traffic is massive.

1965
03:17:14,950 --> 03:17:19,910
We deal every day with the overflow that comes from I-95.

1966
03:17:20,450 --> 03:17:23,910
People cutting through our neighborhood on a regular basis.

1967
03:17:24,290 --> 03:17:30,590
It takes me 15, 20 minutes from I-95 to Northwest 1st Avenue.

1968
03:17:31,210 --> 03:17:33,490
Please use that as an example.

1969
03:17:33,870 --> 03:17:34,210
Thank you.

1970
03:17:42,160 --> 03:17:42,900
Good evening.

1971
03:17:43,300 --> 03:17:47,260
My name is Aubrey Kessler and I live at 1002 Northwest,

1972
03:17:48,220 --> 03:17:49,760
Northeast, 105th Street.

1973
03:17:50,100 --> 03:17:50,840
I'm on the other side.

1974
03:17:51,620 --> 03:17:55,440
I already own a home in Miami Shores and I want to buy another one.

1975
03:17:56,180 --> 03:17:58,780
I want to buy another one that my mother could live in.

1976
03:17:58,940 --> 03:18:05,140
That could be a starter home for my children who may or may not go to an amazing institution like Barry.

1977
03:18:05,440 --> 03:18:08,600
I want Barry to succeed. I want it to stay in Miami Shores.

1978
03:18:09,820 --> 03:18:16,100
But I don't want to buy what Lanar and Euclid presented tonight.

1979
03:18:16,100 --> 03:18:22,000
We have a unique opportunity, and I know all of you are working very hard at this, and

1980
03:18:22,000 --> 03:18:27,680
I really appreciate it, to create the kind of community that we want our future neighbors

1981
03:18:28,060 --> 03:18:31,060
to live in that serves all of us.

1982
03:18:32,380 --> 03:18:33,580
That's not what I saw.

1983
03:18:34,260 --> 03:18:40,880
And if Lenar and if Euclid had been listening to all of the input that you all have been accepting

1984
03:18:40,880 --> 03:18:44,060
from the community, then that was a masterclass in gas lighting.

1985
03:18:45,780 --> 03:18:47,040
Thank you for your time.

1986
03:18:56,830 --> 03:18:58,010
Good night, I'm back again.

1987
03:18:58,790 --> 03:19:01,290
I want to echo this lady's sentiments.

1988
03:19:02,050 --> 03:19:05,250
I brought into her community, single family homes.

1989
03:19:06,410 --> 03:19:09,210
I don't think that you're going to do the chair, could you repeat your name for the record?

1990
03:19:09,690 --> 03:19:15,090
I'm sorry, Nataki Cooper, 601 northwest 106th Street, 120th Street, sorry.

1991
03:19:16,390 --> 03:19:19,290
I live exactly where they proposed to build a property.

1992
03:19:19,930 --> 03:19:24,850
On my block there are only two homes per block on either side of the street

1993
03:19:25,430 --> 03:19:32,650
Sometimes I feel like my area of the communities forgotten because when I drive to other parts of the neighborhood their tree line streets

1994
03:19:33,130 --> 03:19:34,370
Why live there's none?

1995
03:19:35,330 --> 03:19:43,330
people dump in those areas and I feel like part of the sure should take that into insight and do something about that area because I

1996
03:19:43,330 --> 03:19:45,650
Backed my houses backed up on the 95

1997
03:19:46,470 --> 03:19:48,450
That part of Miami shows is forgotten

1998
03:19:49,490 --> 03:19:53,150
Okay, when you drive there, it looks vastly different from the other side.

1999
03:19:53,630 --> 03:19:56,870
I say to my friends, I live in Miami, but I feel like I'm put adjacent.

2000
03:19:57,750 --> 03:19:59,830
Okay, because I don't feel like you guys put the-

2001
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:28,760
This is in that part of the community. And now, you're going to put this there. I feel like I don't have a say. I really don't. My daughter's going to be walking on the streets. How many people is she going to pass before she gets the doctor chatter? She walks the school. She walks home from school, I should say. She's on the wet, wet, lifting team. That means she walks from school this evening. It's a 5 5 30. She's walking by herself. All these new people coming in the community. We don't know who they are. We don't.

2002
03:20:29,720 --> 03:20:33,200
I feel like you guys should consider who live across there because a lot of people

2003
03:20:33,200 --> 03:20:35,620
they're speaking but they don't actually live there.

2004
03:20:36,180 --> 03:20:40,360
Why they're speaking because they want to maintain the community but that side of the

2005
03:20:40,360 --> 03:20:44,940
community is not as developed as other areas in the community and I think you guys should

2006
03:20:44,940 --> 03:20:45,380
look at that.

2007
03:20:45,780 --> 03:20:48,600
And by flopping this in the middle, it's like flopping sardines and a tin.

2008
03:20:49,580 --> 03:20:53,100
You're compiling and compressing people in a small space and I don't think that's fair and

2009
03:20:53,100 --> 03:20:53,840
I don't think it's right.

2010
03:20:55,000 --> 03:20:58,680
I don't live in a flood zone but what's going to happen like the other lady said?

2011
03:20:59,400 --> 03:21:04,980
all that waterways are going to go. We are on septic. Are we going to have to tie into

2012
03:21:04,980 --> 03:21:10,100
sewer? All of these things. I don't have alleyways like other people speak about, but they're

2013
03:21:10,100 --> 03:21:15,920
going to add alleyways back there. You don't have that back there, you know? Where I live

2014
03:21:15,920 --> 03:21:20,500
is vastly different from where most of the people that spoke to me about it. Thank you for

2015
03:21:20,500 --> 03:21:24,620
coming to you. You should drive around and see if you can just speak on it. Thank you.

2016
03:21:24,620 --> 03:21:25,700
Any

2017
03:21:31,270 --> 03:21:32,110
other public comment?

2018
03:21:34,880 --> 03:21:40,860
All right, with that, let's, I guess, have final discussion and then provide our summaries to Joe.

2019
03:21:41,940 --> 03:21:47,440
Any board member comments, discussions, before we go to our final summary.

2020
03:21:47,860 --> 03:21:52,540
Before I try to summarize what we've discussed, I just have a question for Joe.

2021
03:21:52,540 --> 03:22:07,320
So I thought I remembered something about the number of town homes to be grouped, was the smallest five and with the largest eight and two.

2022
03:22:07,840 --> 03:22:16,540
There were supposed to be between three and eight and you could have up to 10% two groupings just for space constraints on the site.

2023
03:22:16,540 --> 03:22:22,060
So we're likely probably stick with that as a starting point for the next discussion.

2024
03:22:22,440 --> 03:22:35,060
Okay, so that's a kind of remembered something like that, but there are on the east side parcel that was kind of presented in the presentation, far exceeds that grouping number.

2025
03:22:36,020 --> 03:22:39,940
Yeah, so if that were to pass, then they would be limited to that.

2026
03:22:39,940 --> 03:22:40,980
Let me

2027
03:22:43,060 --> 03:22:43,460
understand.

2028
03:22:44,040 --> 03:22:50,280
So, the grouping that we were discussing was between three to eight units per bill,

2029
03:22:50,460 --> 03:22:51,100
her building, yes.

2030
03:22:52,040 --> 03:22:52,300
Okay.

2031
03:22:52,940 --> 03:22:54,380
And do we like that number?

2032
03:22:55,020 --> 03:22:56,420
Do you have an opinion on that?

2033
03:22:56,880 --> 03:23:03,840
Bill, I do, I think it's more appropriate because there are a number of groupings of,

2034
03:23:04,280 --> 03:23:07,480
it's hard to see, but maybe 11 or 12.

2035
03:23:07,480 --> 03:23:14,560
Yeah, those three that would make the pods and the groovings more open up, yes, development

2036
03:23:14,560 --> 03:23:15,200
a little bit.

2037
03:23:15,400 --> 03:23:17,900
Three to eight is pretty typical in a suburban code.

2038
03:23:18,080 --> 03:23:22,840
So what we're asking for here when you boil it down to, it's nuts and bolts, is a more

2039
03:23:22,840 --> 03:23:24,820
suburban town home code.

2040
03:23:25,480 --> 03:23:30,440
And if you kind of research that throughout the county or the state, and then more local

2041
03:23:30,440 --> 03:23:34,820
examples of that are Palmetto Bay, Cutler Bay, Pine Cresty type of things.

2042
03:23:34,820 --> 03:23:39,700
So, Brenda, do you have a comment on lot size or discussion?

2043
03:23:40,180 --> 03:23:44,680
Just a reminder that we didn't touch upon it and it was something that was notably different.

2044
03:23:45,040 --> 03:23:51,780
The community expressed a desire to have a minimum or overall average, I'd say minimum

2045
03:23:51,780 --> 03:23:59,660
lot size of 1,600 square feet, 1,665.4 square feet to be precise was overall average.

2046
03:24:00,300 --> 03:24:13,680
and I think that this previously was discussed as being a minimum, I think that there is a valid argument to increase the lot size so that it isn't so small.

2047
03:24:13,800 --> 03:24:16,620
A thousand square feet is tiny.

2048
03:24:18,760 --> 03:24:26,300
I think that there is, I think we could likely abide by what the community said and say a thousand six hundred thousand seven hundred square feet.

2049
03:24:28,060 --> 03:24:32,060
three bedrooms, townhouse, three stories tall,

2050
03:24:32,760 --> 03:24:36,480
with a lot size, a three bedroom townhouse,

2051
03:24:36,540 --> 03:24:40,240
three stories tall, with a lot size would be typical,

2052
03:24:40,540 --> 03:24:44,220
in that situation, would you say, do you have an idea?

2053
03:24:44,620 --> 03:24:46,800
Well, the truth is, you could build a three bedroom

2054
03:24:46,800 --> 03:24:49,340
on a thousand square feet, it just wouldn't be a great living.

2055
03:24:49,400 --> 03:24:52,940
It would be a box, there would be no room for articulation.

2056
03:24:54,140 --> 03:24:57,400
Beyond that, your ground level would be almost entirely

2057
03:24:57,400 --> 03:24:58,640
consumed by the two-car garage.

2058
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:05,100
Increasing the size of the lot allows a little bit more flexibility in how that ground levels articulated.

2059
03:25:08,710 --> 03:25:30,170
I would think it's important to, we've heard the community say they don't want to see that. Well, that is a product of smaller lot sizes amongst other things, but I think because of that, that's a good argument to consider a larger lot size as a minimum. I'm with you on 1600 square feet. I think that's reasonable.

2060
03:25:30,170 --> 03:25:33,250
available. Any other comments on the lot size?

2061
03:25:34,350 --> 03:25:46,690
A 1,600 square feet is that a large townhouse slot?

2062
03:25:48,210 --> 03:25:55,930
I think that's more on the large size of comparatively to other communities.

2063
03:26:00,190 --> 03:26:01,990
All right, any other discussion?

2064
03:26:03,810 --> 03:26:11,830
If you did a 30-foot wide lot, which would be good comfortable to car garage and a nice

2065
03:26:11,830 --> 03:26:16,590
space left over for circulation, maybe a powder room, a coke closet, that would translate

2066
03:26:16,590 --> 03:26:19,990
into a 53-foot long site, so it's not that big.

2067
03:26:21,450 --> 03:26:27,970
So 30 by 53 would be 1600, or if you wanted to go 25 feet, for example.

2068
03:26:27,970 --> 03:26:28,030
So,

2069
03:26:30,100 --> 03:26:31,640
as I go back-

2070
03:26:31,640 --> 03:26:32,920
I'll be 64 feet long.

2071
03:26:33,920 --> 03:26:35,340
Yes, I go back and write the code.

2072
03:26:35,580 --> 03:26:36,980
I'll look at the average-

2073
03:26:37,840 --> 03:26:41,580
the average lot size of similar communities and note that.

2074
03:26:43,840 --> 03:26:48,720
Yeah, I think what we want to stay away from is being extreme on one side or the other.

2075
03:26:48,820 --> 03:26:50,380
I don't think you want to be too low or too small.

2076
03:26:50,800 --> 03:26:51,840
I mean, there are-

2077
03:26:51,840 --> 03:26:53,240
Again, there are suburban-

2078
03:26:53,240 --> 03:26:57,300
suburban products that work very well.

2079
03:26:58,600 --> 03:27:05,920
And you don't want to, you don't want to zone a white elephant that can't be built because it's too small or too big or whichever.

2080
03:27:06,700 --> 03:27:15,320
So I think it needs to be practical and we're going to come back with some, you know, within the bounds that you've suggested here are some practical examples.

2081
03:27:15,660 --> 03:27:19,160
And then we can debate them out one way or the other during the next meeting.

2082
03:27:19,300 --> 03:27:26,320
What I envision at the next meeting is that I'm going to change the code into a table instead of a lot of text that it'll be tabular.

2083
03:27:26,320 --> 03:27:38,200
It'll have about 30 points in it, zoning points, and then we can just walk down that line and then look at the individual numbers and then we can, you know, tweak them one way or the other.

2084
03:27:38,380 --> 03:27:49,080
And I'm going to start generally with what we said, unless that less what we suggested here in the from the public is just outlandishly out of character.

2085
03:27:49,380 --> 03:27:54,820
I would likely won't suggest that, but I'll let you know what those are when I do it.

2086
03:27:54,820 --> 03:27:57,540
I'd say we've discussed them.

2087
03:27:57,780 --> 03:28:05,520
I'm going to try to summarize what we've discussed and I do think we have certainly taken

2088
03:28:05,520 --> 03:28:10,580
into consideration the public comments and address them.

2089
03:28:11,000 --> 03:28:19,120
So let me just kind of go through what I think we've got and please if you guys have an opinion

2090
03:28:19,120 --> 03:28:23,380
or if you differ or you want to adjust it, speak up, please.

2091
03:28:23,380 --> 03:28:33,560
So I guess starting on grouping, three-day units per group, I guess go ahead and write this down and we can get that.

2092
03:28:34,260 --> 03:28:37,360
A lot size, we're looking around 1,600 square feet.

2093
03:28:38,920 --> 03:28:45,080
Plot standards incorporate all 23 acres into one plot.

2094
03:28:47,790 --> 03:28:48,990
Common open space.

2095
03:28:48,990 --> 03:29:05,430
I know in discussion with Lynn R, they had mentioned there 26% I'm good with that, landscaping streetscape, I don't think we had any particular comments on that.

2096
03:29:07,170 --> 03:29:14,330
Articulation, maybe take a look at my option B and try to, you know, that's kind of our vision, try to formulate something around that.

2097
03:29:15,670 --> 03:29:18,850
FAR, I think 1.0, I think that's in the comp plan.

2098
03:29:20,170 --> 03:29:27,330
Parking, parking is a concerning for us and for the public.

2099
03:29:27,750 --> 03:29:39,510
I like Brandon's idea of two spaces for two bedroom units, three spaces for three bedroom units plus a one to ten visitor ratio.

2100
03:29:39,510 --> 03:29:40,570
for

2101
03:29:42,810 --> 03:29:43,950
your comment on that?

2102
03:29:46,070 --> 03:29:50,950
15-foot setback in the front, porches can encroach into that

2103
03:29:50,950 --> 03:29:51,830
setback.

2104
03:29:52,010 --> 03:29:57,410
Sir, on the setback's 15-foot minimum with a requirement to articulate that further

2105
03:29:57,850 --> 03:29:59,970
to, let's say 17.5, that's R.

2106
03:30:08,920 --> 03:30:25,340
I don't think we were that definitive, but I know I was I was looking at up to three stories, 35 foot maximum, good concurred. I know you. Thanks.

2107
03:30:25,340 --> 03:30:27,820
There's a couple of things that we said in our answer.

2108
03:30:29,400 --> 03:30:36,500
Roof decks allowed, but not adjacent to our districts.

2109
03:30:39,310 --> 03:30:45,870
And can I, sir, on the roof decks that they not be adjacent to each other.

2110
03:30:48,610 --> 03:30:55,990
So we don't have a whole load of roof decks like overlooking something that we break them up.

2111
03:30:55,990 --> 03:30:59,550
I don't have a strong opinion on it either way, any comment on that.

2112
03:31:00,190 --> 03:31:03,750
I think that that aids in the articulation, so, sure.

2113
03:31:05,690 --> 03:31:15,470
So, no adjacent roof decks, no adjacent roof decks, am I missing anything?

2114
03:31:16,490 --> 03:31:21,470
That's all I have in my notes, I've got what you've got, so we're good to go.

2115
03:31:22,630 --> 03:31:30,130
The heights along the single, adjacent to the single family homes that we would be lower there.

2116
03:31:30,490 --> 03:31:37,850
The height on the outer boundary so that the homes facing single family homes would be.

2117
03:31:38,090 --> 03:31:38,470
Two stories.

2118
03:31:38,750 --> 03:31:39,050
Shorter?

2119
03:31:39,810 --> 03:31:40,030
Right.

2120
03:31:41,130 --> 03:31:43,690
We also got to get into to complicated.

2121
03:31:44,390 --> 03:31:49,650
No, I don't know, I don't think it's shaking his head, no, I don't think that makes a lot of sense.

2122
03:31:49,650 --> 03:31:54,370
I think it makes a lot of sense to buffer the single family homes with the shorter units.

2123
03:31:54,970 --> 03:31:58,510
I wouldn't even buy it like so the single family homes are on the south side.

2124
03:31:58,890 --> 03:32:03,250
Yeah, wherever there's single family homes, we have the buffer greenspace there too.

2125
03:32:03,910 --> 03:32:05,030
But I guess we're writing the code.

2126
03:32:06,210 --> 03:32:13,430
I think the ones you're really talking about are in here, but it could be there too.

2127
03:32:13,430 --> 03:32:17,730
It's a pretty good buffer on the south side of the area.

2128
03:32:18,010 --> 03:32:19,030
It's on the west side.

2129
03:32:19,450 --> 03:32:22,110
We've got a set of things where you've got a single family house.

2130
03:32:22,750 --> 03:32:26,110
I don't think we can summarize the stepbacks.

2131
03:32:26,710 --> 03:32:26,910
Did you?

2132
03:32:27,110 --> 03:32:29,930
I referred them to option B.

2133
03:32:30,510 --> 03:32:30,730
OK.

2134
03:32:30,870 --> 03:32:33,030
The regulation, similar to what's an option B.

2135
03:32:33,130 --> 03:32:35,650
And I've got notes on the stepbacks, so we'll put it there.

2136
03:32:35,930 --> 03:32:37,810
We can edit it up in the next week.

2137
03:32:40,360 --> 03:32:42,700
All right, I guess that's your guidance.

2138
03:32:43,040 --> 03:32:43,360
Great work.

2139
03:32:43,360 --> 03:32:46,340
We talked about unit size, did we talk about unit size?

2140
03:32:46,660 --> 03:32:48,860
We talked about lot size.

2141
03:32:49,680 --> 03:32:49,740
Right.

2142
03:32:50,060 --> 03:32:51,440
I'll come up with two to three better understood.

2143
03:32:54,240 --> 03:32:54,900
All right.

2144
03:32:55,040 --> 03:32:57,060
With that said, any further, um,

2145
03:32:58,540 --> 03:33:00,080
any further, uh,

2146
03:33:00,900 --> 03:33:04,360
so the next regular board meeting is November 21st on Thursday.

2147
03:33:04,360 --> 03:33:05,520
We've got to do this again.

2148
03:33:05,920 --> 03:33:07,620
Are we going to meet here or there?

2149
03:33:08,500 --> 03:33:09,000
That's it.

2150
03:33:09,120 --> 03:33:10,920
The other, the other place.

2151
03:33:10,920 --> 03:33:22,700
And with that said, thank you everybody from the public for coming and the meeting is adjourned.