1 00:00:01,964 --> 00:00:26,630 [music] 2 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,400 interest. 3 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,240 >> All right. 4 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,719 I'm going to go back and and sit back up 5 00:00:32,719 --> 00:00:34,079 front. But I just wanted to let you know 6 00:00:34,079 --> 00:00:37,360 how this committee meeting, not a public 7 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,000 workshop, is going to be handled. I 8 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,760 don't know if anybody has seen me at a 9 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:42,879 finance committee meeting. 10 00:00:42,879 --> 00:00:43,520 >> True. 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,840 >> How I run my committee meeting. 12 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,320 >> Um we go through and the committee 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,320 members discuss whatever the topic is. 14 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,320 For instance, when we do the finance 15 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,239 committee meetings, we are discussing 16 00:00:56,239 --> 00:00:58,480 the docket and any ordinances and things 17 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,680 like that. Uh we vote on approval of the 18 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,920 docket within the committee meeting and 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,560 then I go back and report that to the 20 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,640 council and they make a vote to approve 21 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,880 uh what I bring to them after the 22 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,439 committee meeting. So they basically 23 00:01:15,439 --> 00:01:19,200 affirm our vote on the docket. I do not 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,520 put public comments in my committee 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,200 meetings. So, public comment will be 26 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,080 September 15th at the uh council 27 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,159 meeting. So, we'll give it a come public 28 00:01:30,159 --> 00:01:31,840 comment. And what's going to happen is 29 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,119 they're going to discuss some things up 30 00:01:33,119 --> 00:01:35,759 here and if they have changes or any 31 00:01:35,759 --> 00:01:37,759 additions that they want to make in a 32 00:01:37,759 --> 00:01:40,000 committee meeting, they'll make a motion 33 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,240 to change such and such. the rest of the 34 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,146 committee members will vote on it and 35 00:01:44,146 --> 00:01:46,000 [snorts] if it's approved then that 36 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000 change will be put into the ordinance 37 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,079 coming up from the next time and that's 38 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:51,759 how we do the committee meetings that's 39 00:01:51,759 --> 00:01:55,280 how I do mine um been going at this but 40 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,200 we haven't done one in a long time but 41 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,159 in my first uh term my first four years 42 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:03,840 in 2016 up to 2020 this is how our 43 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,600 committee meetings were held we didn't 44 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,920 do the the public workshops that we do 45 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,280 now um so this is how this is going to 46 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:12,800 take notes if you're going to have 47 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:19,280 questions and you can show up at the uh public council meeting on SE 48 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,120 September 15th when the council or when 49 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,440 this ordinance actually comes up on the 50 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,840 agenda. We'll do public comment as 51 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,840 usual. All right. you will get a chance 52 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,800 for public comment but just not in this 53 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,239 meeting because we're going to discuss 54 00:02:32,239 --> 00:02:34,239 what we're doing here and I'll go ahead 55 00:02:34,239 --> 00:02:36,800 and get started and if there any other 56 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,360 committee members want to make a comment 57 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,519 um you go ahead and make comment to the 58 00:02:43,519 --> 00:02:44,239 line 59 00:02:44,239 --> 00:02:47,589 >> yes 60 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:50,239 » okay [clears throat] so um I've taken a 61 00:02:50,239 --> 00:02:55,519 lesson from President Tman 62 00:02:55,519 --> 00:02:58,800 and I've written down to say today. So, 63 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,879 um, please, if it's boring, I do 64 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:02,879 apologize for that, but I want to be 65 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:05,519 sure I cover what I want to cover. Um, 66 00:03:05,519 --> 00:03:07,680 first, I want to give heartfelt thanks 67 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,400 to the additional four city council 68 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:11,920 members 69 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:14,959 um, who joined Joe, Daisy, and me as 70 00:03:14,959 --> 00:03:17,599 co-sponsors for this data center 71 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:20,319 development moratorum. I think it shows 72 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:22,800 a lot of interest in this topic and also 73 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,840 it shows support for a data center 74 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,440 development moratorum for our community. 75 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,560 Also, I've been working on a data center 76 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,840 moratorum for much of the summer as has 77 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,640 Joe also um and I want to acknowledge 78 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,760 Daisy's support in this. My motivation 79 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,400 in doing this has been the challenges my 80 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,360 residents in Ward 6 have been dealing 81 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,360 with at the Google Dana Center 82 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,720 construction site for over a year and my 83 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,920 concern over being helpless to assist 84 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,439 them in any meaningful way. 85 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:04,319 Um I originally had hoped the um data 86 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:06,799 center development moratorum to address 87 00:04:06,799 --> 00:04:09,200 these three things and I just want to go 88 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,920 over those very briefly. This is simply 89 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,200 to put a pause on data center 90 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,359 considerations. 91 00:04:17,359 --> 00:04:19,759 It's not to begin working out all of the 92 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:21,759 details about protections for our 93 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:25,040 residents and our community regarding 94 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,560 pollution and many other um issues and 95 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,120 concerns that have been brought up. The 96 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,360 second thing is I'm requesting the 97 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:34,639 planning department and planning 98 00:04:34,639 --> 00:04:36,400 commission update their codes to 99 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,440 specifically include data centers while 100 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,320 they're not listed at all right now 101 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,160 while receiving input from our council 102 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,160 and residents during the moratorum 103 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,160 period. I want to state very clearly 104 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,759 that none of the m municipalities around 105 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:56,800 us that I could see had included data 106 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,479 centers in any of their um any of their 107 00:05:00,479 --> 00:05:03,040 um zoning codes. So none of us were 108 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,840 prepared for what has come to our 109 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:07,520 communities. 110 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,919 Thirdly, I had originally set the time 111 00:05:09,919 --> 00:05:12,960 frame as indefinite and temporary so as 112 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,639 not to put the planning department and 113 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:16,560 planning commission into a position to 114 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,320 have to complete this within a time 115 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,960 frame that may not fit within their 116 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,919 priorities. Um, I want to be sensitive 117 00:05:23,919 --> 00:05:27,280 to the number of new building permits, 118 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:30,160 um, new developments, many questions 119 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,840 that they have coming to them and 120 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:33,919 inquiries regarding new building in 121 00:05:33,919 --> 00:05:35,759 Michigan City. 122 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:38,479 Um yet I have reconsidered this based on 123 00:05:38,479 --> 00:05:41,280 feedback received from both city council 124 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:44,400 persons and members of the community. 125 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,160 Um, I believe there are two different 126 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,800 thoughts that that need to be addressed 127 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,360 this evening and I hope we can come to 128 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:52,880 agreement 129 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,199 on hopefully and hopefully this meeting 130 00:05:55,199 --> 00:05:57,280 to be included in a revised data center 131 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:00,400 moratorum and these would be to remove 132 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,919 the indefinite and set up a pathway that 133 00:06:03,919 --> 00:06:06,560 would allow the moratorum to begin when 134 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,240 passed. 135 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,639 Then the clock starts when Google 136 00:06:10,639 --> 00:06:13,199 actually begins operation. 137 00:06:13,199 --> 00:06:17,440 um at the facility on Royal Road. Um I 138 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:18,960 don't think it matters if it's a 139 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,360 one-year, 18-month, or two-year period 140 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,039 that we're actually watching their 141 00:06:23,039 --> 00:06:25,520 operations, but this would be an 142 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,360 opportune time for us to collect 143 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,759 information regarding facility 144 00:06:29,759 --> 00:06:32,000 compliance, cleanliness, neighborhood 145 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,000 status, and community partnerships. So 146 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,720 those could be included and evaluated. 147 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,440 And with this information, we could loop 148 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,639 back to any zoning updates for data 149 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:48,479 center development. 150 00:06:48,479 --> 00:06:50,639 Plus, I do see this as an excellent 151 00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:53,759 opportunity to have a case study written 152 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:56,639 and published by one of the Indiana 153 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:59,599 universities that has a sustainability 154 00:06:59,599 --> 00:07:02,240 or environmental department. In this 155 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,800 way, Michigan City could actually become 156 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,000 a procedural role model um for other 157 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,280 communities that may be facing um a data 158 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,960 center coming to their um area. Also 159 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,120 um the second thing is the paragraph 160 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,960 which addresses the role of planning 161 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,479 department, planning commission and 162 00:07:20,479 --> 00:07:22,880 planning zoning committee. I think it's 163 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,800 in it's important to indicate who's 164 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,440 responsible for what in addition to 165 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:28,960 ensuring that our residents and 166 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,800 community have a role in identifying 167 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,360 what's important to them via workshops 168 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,520 and public hearings. 169 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,400 Um, I will have to admit that I haven't 170 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,440 been able to have a face-toface sitdown 171 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,199 meeting with all of those groups. And 172 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:49,440 um, that is a a bad on my part and no 173 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,759 excuses, but this is the first ordinance 174 00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:55,680 that I have ever taken on to author and 175 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,720 I didn't realize all of the various 176 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,039 um, layers of involvement that are 177 00:08:01,039 --> 00:08:02,960 involved in this process. So, please 178 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,520 accept my sincere apologies regarding 179 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,120 that. But I think it's important to from 180 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,000 this point forward move forward. And I 181 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,080 know that most of Joe's input was 182 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,199 focused in this particular paragraph and 183 00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:18,800 I think ignoring it would be a 184 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,759 disservice to him and all of the people 185 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:23,759 that have a vested interest in this 186 00:08:23,759 --> 00:08:25,680 ordinance. 187 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,599 Um, finally, I just want to say I 188 00:08:27,599 --> 00:08:29,440 believe we have an opportunity to do 189 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,120 something of significance for our 190 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,760 residents and community. And it's my 191 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,919 sincere hope that we'll be able to come 192 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:39,200 to agreement um on the above two points 193 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,320 realizing that what's important is 194 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,800 listening to our constituents with the 195 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,080 request to do this now and quickly which 196 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,160 will hopefully not result in this being 197 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,560 tabled since we have the two challenges 198 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:56,080 defined above and which I'm hoping we 199 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,040 can find um common ground this evening. 200 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,680 Thank you. 201 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:05,120 >> All right. Uh, Councilman uh Nelson, 202 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,200 would you want to comment on anything 203 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,440 before we get into the actual ordinance 204 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:10,959 discussion of the ordinance? 205 00:09:10,959 --> 00:09:12,560 >> Um, I just want to be brief. Thank 206 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:14,000 everybody for coming out, showing your 207 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:20,399 support. I know this is important and um a city changing issue that everybody 208 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:23,200 um wants input on. 209 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,880 Hopefully within the 30 minutes, you 210 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,440 know, we can um try to put together 211 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,839 something that's um in the middle for 212 00:09:31,839 --> 00:09:34,959 everybody. I know not going to make 213 00:09:34,959 --> 00:09:36,399 everybody happy with everything we 214 00:09:36,399 --> 00:09:39,120 choose, but I promise to try my best. 215 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,800 So, 216 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,720 that's it. 217 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,440 And my final comment before we actually 218 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,440 start discussing any changes that any of 219 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:48,959 the committee members want to make to 220 00:09:48,959 --> 00:09:52,240 this ordinance. Um 221 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,560 there's going to be a lot more meetings, 222 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:56,720 a lot more people have to get involved 223 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,640 in order to make this right. Um there's 224 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,959 no way we're going to finish this in one 225 00:10:02,959 --> 00:10:05,120 night. Um because I said we're going to 226 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,360 have to meet with planning uh because 227 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:08,959 we're going to have zoning issues that 228 00:10:08,959 --> 00:10:10,480 are going to have to be taken care of as 229 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,000 well. Um, so what we're doing now is 230 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,440 what's on the table is the the 231 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:16,720 ordinance. So, we're going to try to 232 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,480 address any changes they want to make. I noticed one right away with Nancy 233 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,000 talked about uh taking out the 234 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,959 indefinite. So, we'll make a motion to 235 00:10:24,959 --> 00:10:26,800 scratch that. We'll vote and we'll go. 236 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,680 That's how committee meetings work. But, 237 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:32,320 this is going to take some time. Um, cuz 238 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,240 like I said, there going to be numerous 239 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:35,680 departments that are going to be 240 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:37,839 affected that have to get involved. 241 00:10:37,839 --> 00:10:39,519 We're not going to rush them. We're not 242 00:10:39,519 --> 00:10:41,279 going to push them. We want to get it 243 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:46,079 right. Um, someone pointed out to me um 244 00:10:46,079 --> 00:10:48,800 that the city of Portage just passed 245 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,519 something. Um, I could not get the 246 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:54,079 actual ordinance, but my phone did give 247 00:10:54,079 --> 00:10:56,399 me a rundown of what they did, things 248 00:10:56,399 --> 00:10:59,040 like building height, uh, setbacks away 249 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,360 from residents and things of that sort. 250 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:02,959 I didn't get a chance to see it. Didn't 251 00:11:02,959 --> 00:11:04,880 get a chance to bring it. Um, so that 252 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,240 would be something that I would want to 253 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,279 see, uh, with us moving forward. And 254 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:11,680 each council person that was at the 255 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:13,440 meeting, everybody talked about how they 256 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,360 wanted to do the uh moratorum. I was the 257 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,040 one that actually was saying that I want 258 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,552 to do a year 259 00:11:20,552 --> 00:11:20,720 >> [clears throat] 260 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,200 >> uh after you know the the data center 261 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,560 that we're going to have now is going to 262 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:26,880 be running so we can collect actual data 263 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,720 to be able to see actual data in terms 264 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,760 of water usage in terms of NIPCO um 265 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,839 noise and all of that. So, we're 266 00:11:33,839 --> 00:11:35,839 comparing apples to apples rather than, 267 00:11:35,839 --> 00:11:37,279 you know, someone coming forth and keep 268 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:39,519 saying, "Well, I saw in Memphis or I saw 269 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:41,360 in Texas, we would actually be talking 270 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:42,320 about what's happening in Michigan 271 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,240 City." But like I said, everybody had a 272 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:47,760 little bit of something different and it 273 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,680 all is going to have to come together 274 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:52,720 and but you do see that everybody is in 275 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,320 favor of doing a moratorum. So, that is 276 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:57,839 off the table because everybody's 277 00:11:57,839 --> 00:11:59,440 talking about doing it. We want to do 278 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,800 this. Uh, but it has to be done. uh like 279 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,560 I said with all the the different 280 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:07,200 departments here uh to make sure that 281 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,600 it's done correctly. Um and I know we 282 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,200 had this whole issue with the first uh 283 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,440 when uh the data center first came here 284 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:18,880 how they came and bought the property 285 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,800 that was um zone M1. People didn't get a 286 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,000 chance to see what was actually 287 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,920 happening. You felt like it was done. 288 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,360 Some people felt like it was done behind 289 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,320 their back. I understand that. not going 290 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,720 to try to beat somebody up over that. Uh 291 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,480 because me as a council person, I do 292 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,720 could see more things happening than 293 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,160 what you do. So, I do understand. Um but 294 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:41,360 it's going to take us a little bit of 295 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:42,880 time to get these things done, but we do 296 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,560 want to do a moratorum um and I think 297 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:48,720 most of the council members, if not all, 298 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,639 I don't want to speak for everybody, but 299 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:52,800 wants to put a moratorum on at some 300 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,800 point um to get this thing moving 301 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,399 forward. Like I said, the details are 302 00:12:56,399 --> 00:12:58,800 going to have to be worked out. So with 303 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,399 that I will start uh going through we 304 00:13:02,399 --> 00:13:04,160 talk we'll talk about the ordinance. 305 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,320 Have you guys identified anything in 306 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:07,920 this ordinance that you want to change 307 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,320 that you want to substitute make changes 308 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:16,079 to because once again we can start with NY's if you want to make a motion 309 00:13:16,079 --> 00:13:16,880 to 310 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:21,040 >> I move we remove end up in that from the 311 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,279 title and every place that appears 312 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:25,760 throughout the or whole ordinance. 313 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,320 >> Okay. and I support. There was a motion. 314 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,279 That's a second. And now, uh, all those 315 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:32,959 in favor say I. I. 316 00:13:32,959 --> 00:13:33,600 >> I. 317 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,720 >> So, that motion passes unanimously. So, 318 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,720 that will be brought to the council for 319 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,720 the council to vote on that. It'll be an 320 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,959 amendment by substitution. So, this is 321 00:13:42,959 --> 00:13:44,560 how this is going to continue to go with 322 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:47,040 any changes that they may have. Joe, did 323 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,480 you have anything that you wanted to 324 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,000 bring up and talk about as well? 325 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,079 >> Section three. 326 00:13:54,079 --> 00:13:57,199 Um well first off let's go section two 327 00:13:57,199 --> 00:13:58,160 definition 328 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,440 >> section two section two section two 329 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,000 definitions okay if we do not define 330 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,240 particular words and terms legally do we 331 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,760 leave oursel open for misinterpretation 332 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,760 >> then this is always going to be in my 333 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,680 mind good for our attorneys to see it 334 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:18,720 city attorneys planning all the 335 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,639 attorneys at some point are going to 336 00:14:20,639 --> 00:14:23,120 have to approve the wording 337 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,279 So, that's a good question. Um, I don't 338 00:14:25,279 --> 00:14:26,639 know if you want to make a motion to 339 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:28,480 make a change right now or if you want 340 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,480 to wait to see, you know, after they 341 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,680 meet and you'll have more input in it um 342 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,199 in order to make those changes down the 343 00:14:35,199 --> 00:14:35,600 line. 344 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,839 >> When you say meet, do we have a um a 345 00:14:37,839 --> 00:14:38,880 time schedule? 346 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,120 >> We do not at this point. We do not. I 347 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,800 just wanted to get this finished. 348 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,240 >> And then, like I said, you will 349 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,000 definitely be in it. You guys are are 350 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,399 sponsors. So, you'll have a chance to be 351 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:49,839 in those conversations with the 352 00:14:49,839 --> 00:14:51,199 attorneys, with the different 353 00:14:51,199 --> 00:14:53,760 departments, and you'll be able to 354 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,199 >> I don't want to take it out and not able 355 00:14:55,199 --> 00:14:56,160 to put nothing in there. 356 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:57,440 >> I got you. I got you. 357 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,160 >> And that actually was inserted by our 358 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,839 city council lawyers. Okay. 359 00:15:01,839 --> 00:15:03,760 >> So, I I can't verify that. 360 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,040 >> Okay. So, 361 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,519 >> the reason behind it, I cannot speak to 362 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:08,240 that. 363 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:09,199 >> Okay. 364 00:15:09,199 --> 00:15:10,720 >> So, at this point, would you want to 365 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,480 make a motion to like you said, remove 366 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,079 or you want hold for now? 367 00:15:14,079 --> 00:15:16,639 >> Yes. Cuz if I remove there's nothing 368 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:17,440 there. Correct. 369 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:18,000 >> That's right. 370 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,399 >> Right. I don't want I don't want to be 371 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:22,399 >> and and that makes sense. You get more 372 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:24,079 information and you you make your motion 373 00:15:24,079 --> 00:15:25,360 on what you want to do with it. So that 374 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,279 does make sense, Joe. I I understand 375 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:29,120 that more than you think. 376 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,040 >> Okay. Um 377 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,199 >> and you said another section 378 00:15:33,199 --> 00:15:36,240 >> section three. Um I love what you said 379 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,800 about you know extending where we gather 380 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,560 more information about the process once 381 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:41,920 they open it. Mhm. 382 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,160 >> Um, how do we go about interpreting that 383 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,279 into language? And far as a definitive 384 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:49,519 date, what are we looking for as far as 385 00:15:49,519 --> 00:15:51,759 definitive date so we can kind of close 386 00:15:51,759 --> 00:15:53,279 in a senative window, 387 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:56,399 >> right? And like I said, but it was it 388 00:15:56,399 --> 00:15:57,759 was something I thought of at the 389 00:15:57,759 --> 00:15:59,759 meeting, threw it out there. 390 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:01,199 >> So, I didn't have a chance to run that 391 00:16:01,199 --> 00:16:02,880 by any attorneys or anything like that, 392 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,800 but it was simple what I said. I would 393 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,160 just like to see the memoratorium at 394 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,600 least stretched out a year past the 395 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,839 actual operation date of the new data 396 00:16:11,839 --> 00:16:13,600 center because it gives us a year at 397 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,199 least to be able to uh see actual data 398 00:16:17,199 --> 00:16:19,279 like I said that we can gather with our 399 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:21,360 data center that is running to be able 400 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,759 to compare um like I said you know 401 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:25,199 people have issues with with different 402 00:16:25,199 --> 00:16:26,720 things like water I keep going back to 403 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,160 these three water NIPCO uh noise and so 404 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,720 forth so that is why I said that right 405 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,399 now I'm not going to vote to throw what 406 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:36,320 in there because there's still you have 407 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,519 ideas, she has ideas, Don had an idea. 408 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:41,920 Um I believe Daisy had an idea as well. 409 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,680 So I'm not going to make a motion to put 410 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,199 anything in that right now cuz it's 411 00:16:45,199 --> 00:16:46,399 going to come down the line 412 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:48,399 >> for me. I understand that. 413 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:50,720 >> Unless one of us is willing to motion. 414 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,240 >> If one of you are willing to motion, we 415 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,519 will vote on it. 416 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:54,720 >> But where do you put it? 417 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,639 >> I guess where are we going at? Well, 418 00:16:56,639 --> 00:16:58,639 we'll be on second reading Tuesday. 419 00:16:58,639 --> 00:17:01,279 >> Mhm. Um, amendments can be added up into 420 00:17:01,279 --> 00:17:02,560 third reading or 421 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,319 >> you can add you can put amendments in on 422 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:05,039 second reading. 423 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:06,480 >> What about third reading? 424 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,160 >> Third reading gets difficult and 425 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,079 amendments on third reading sometimes 426 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:14,240 catches the public off guard 427 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,079 >> and reason being if I come with an 428 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:18,079 amendment on the third reading we 429 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:20,400 approve the the amendment that night you 430 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,039 won't get a chance to see it. We just 431 00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:25,120 approve it, change it, vote on it and 432 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:28,000 that can get a little hairy. Um, so I 433 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,919 don't want to do that. 434 00:17:29,919 --> 00:17:30,640 >> Um, 435 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,320 >> well, we have another committee meeting 436 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:33,760 in in between time where we let them 437 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,679 know where we'll be at kind of 438 00:17:35,679 --> 00:17:36,400 minimizes. 439 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,000 >> We can definitely do that. 440 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:38,400 >> Okay. 441 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:39,840 >> We can definitely do that. 442 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:40,240 >> Okay. 443 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:44,080 >> Um, so I understand that, but I 444 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,679 >> pretty much what I'm saying is just 445 00:17:45,679 --> 00:17:48,000 building up into the third reading. If 446 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,240 something else needs to be added on the 447 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:51,520 third reading, I would like to have 448 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,440 another committee meeting where we all 449 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,240 come back out and it be told would it be 450 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,840 an amendment so it's not caught off 451 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,039 guard by the public. Yeah, 452 00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:00,320 >> that's my suggestion. 453 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,160 >> And that would at that point if it's got 454 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:03,679 the third reading, it would require a 455 00:18:03,679 --> 00:18:07,039 table to to push back no vote and then 456 00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:08,240 you make your changes and then we come 457 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,679 back and vote maybe the next meeting. 458 00:18:09,679 --> 00:18:11,120 >> I just want to get common courtesy of 459 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:13,200 different departments like you know Dr. 460 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,280 Dominic. I just want to make sure 461 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,039 everybody is aligned with each other. I 462 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:18,400 don't want anything to be rushed and 463 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,080 then we vote on something and we miss 464 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:20,799 out on something. 465 00:18:20,799 --> 00:18:21,679 >> That makes sense. 466 00:18:21,679 --> 00:18:23,120 >> So that's why I'm asking the question of 467 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:24,640 can you add amendments on third? 468 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,240 >> Yeah. And and like I said and if we do 469 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,679 that if we do that uh like I said we 470 00:18:29,679 --> 00:18:31,200 would need to take because we don't want 471 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,520 to make that amendment 472 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:38,000 >> vote then it passes. That would that 473 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,039 would not be what they're expecting in 474 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:42,160 terms of what we're doing now. 475 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,360 >> Take them to the next meeting. 476 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:45,360 >> Yeah. because that that will give people 477 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:48,480 chance to to actually view uh what we've 478 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:49,520 done. 479 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,520 >> So I try to avoid amendments on third 480 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,760 reading because of that. But if it comes 481 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,520 down to that for this special occasion, 482 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,440 we are going to we would have to take a 483 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:58,240 look 484 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,160 >> and that's just for the discretion of 485 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,679 the public to digest information. 486 00:19:01,679 --> 00:19:02,559 >> Yes. 487 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:04,720 >> I think this we have to do that with 488 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,480 this ordinance and with this issue that 489 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:07,360 we're working on here. 490 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:09,840 >> Yeah. And I just want to point out too, 491 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,160 just to be sure everybody understands 492 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,960 that with us removing the word 493 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,320 indefinite, this has no time frame 494 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:23,190 associated with it whatsoever anymore. 495 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,480 » Okay. 496 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,320 Section six. 497 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,760 >> Section six. 498 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,000 um just giving a little bit more meat on 499 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,799 the bone, just some definitive standards 500 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:34,720 as far as how we want things written 501 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,480 out. Um far as how we going to um inform 502 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,559 the public far as workshops and things 503 00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:42,640 like that far as requirements and 504 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,240 safeguards. Um 505 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,520 >> once again, I don't want to take it out 506 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,360 and have nothing in there, but 507 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:54,880 >> I would be um I would like to change that up a 508 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:55,280 little bit. 509 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:56,480 >> Okay. Okay. Just to make it a little bit 510 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:57,919 more definitive. 511 00:19:57,919 --> 00:20:00,480 >> Now, do you have your the specific 512 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,000 change you have in mind right now? 513 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:02,640 >> Yes. 514 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:03,200 >> Yeah. 515 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,400 >> Okay. Who wrote this uh describes um 516 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:07,760 track change here? Who did the track 517 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:08,000 change? 518 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,640 >> That's not anybody know 519 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:11,360 >> this here. 520 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:11,760 >> Yeah. 521 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,200 >> That would have been um me and the 522 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,000 lawyers. 523 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,480 >> Okay. And what did you see in that track 524 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,320 change that you wanted to change? 525 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,799 >> Um I just have um I just have points. Um 526 00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:27,039 a written standard development um work 527 00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:29,520 plan delivered to council within 30 days 528 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,679 of adoption. Not fewer than three public 529 00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:34,480 workshops on topics section six already 530 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,000 listed. Generators, noise, light 531 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,760 pollution, energy, water, sewer, and 532 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,280 groundwater. A draft permanent stop. 533 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:42,960 >> No, go ahead. Yeah, I'm trying to 534 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,720 >> I don't think that's in none of this 535 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:45,840 what I'm saying. 536 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,600 >> But I'm trying to I I don't know how 537 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,679 that works. Uh but go ahead. Go ahead. 538 00:20:49,679 --> 00:20:51,120 Finish up. I'll let you finish 539 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:51,520 up. 540 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,480 >> Okay. Um, a draft permanent ordinance 541 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,919 delivered to the council no later than 542 00:20:55,919 --> 00:20:58,720 60 days before the moratorum ends. A 543 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,159 public file maintained by the city 544 00:21:00,159 --> 00:21:02,080 clerk, work plan, staff reports, 545 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,440 consulting products, and public 546 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,520 comments. Public notice to schools, 547 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:06,880 childcare facilities, and nearby 548 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,240 residents for future data center 549 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,720 applications. Plus, annual reporting by 550 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,480 operating data centers on backup 551 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,600 generated usage, fuel storage, and water 552 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,669 withdrawal 553 00:21:19,679 --> 00:21:21,360 where I set permanent standards instead 554 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:22,880 of being broad about what they can and 555 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,400 what they can't do. I want particular 556 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:25,280 things. 557 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,520 >> Do you have do you have that in writing? 558 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:28,000 >> Yes, sir. 559 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,000 >> Anywhere cuz I I never seen it. 560 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,440 >> Um, that's the ordinance I sent to you 561 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:32,640 earlier. section six, 562 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,240 >> but uh I was at work all day. 563 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,919 >> No, I know. I know. I'm not putting you 564 00:21:35,919 --> 00:21:36,400 on the spot. 565 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,240 >> No, it's all good. I I understand. I 566 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,600 understand. You did send it to me, but I 567 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,039 just wasn't able to get to it. 568 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:43,120 >> Um just that we having an open 569 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,200 discussion we want, what we don't want. 570 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,000 >> Exactly. 571 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:46,960 >> That's [snorts] what I want. 572 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,080 >> Um have you had a chance to review that, 573 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,799 Nancy? Yeah, I reviewed it before and 574 00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:56,320 um 575 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,520 when I made my original statement about 576 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,080 this is the place to begin the 577 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,360 conversation. 578 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:05,440 >> Mhm. 579 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,280 >> That seems like a whole lot of detail 580 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,200 that would probably go into 581 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,120 um updates on the zoning code, 582 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:13,760 >> right? 583 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,600 >> Versus putting it in here. And that 584 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,080 those were my original thoughts on that. 585 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,240 and still remain my thoughts on that. Um 586 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,480 I had had, you know, probably about half 587 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,039 of the summer to, you know, go over 588 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:33,039 Joe's um suggestions and that's what I 589 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:37,679 kept I I just am thinking that 590 00:22:37,679 --> 00:22:39,520 we're 591 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,919 we should be looking globally for this. 592 00:22:41,919 --> 00:22:48,640 is just a stop. Okay, this is not 593 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,280 codifying all of the changes that we 594 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,720 would want to see down the road. Okay, 595 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,240 so that's where my thoughts are 596 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,200 regarding 597 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:57,840 >> so 598 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,120 >> those suggestions, 599 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,679 >> right? With everything he read, he would 600 00:23:01,679 --> 00:23:03,600 have to make a motion to include all of 601 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,240 that. We would vote and then it would 602 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,039 come to council if it were approved for 603 00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:11,760 the rest of the council to approve. I me 604 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,360 personally, you know, I I 605 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:14,880 >> I'm going wait for you to read. 606 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,679 >> Yeah, exactly. But but I'm I'm who I 607 00:23:17,679 --> 00:23:19,919 want to wait to to see read it would be 608 00:23:19,919 --> 00:23:22,080 the attorneys from the planning and 609 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,640 everybody. Not ruling it out at all. 610 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,559 >> Right. Everything I'm speaking on is 611 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:29,840 already been uh been already curated by 612 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,640 Snow, 613 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:36,080 >> but I'm just taking sections out that I feel are perfect. 614 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,200 >> Okay. 615 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,720 Um, 616 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,360 and you know me and you know we we talk 617 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:44,480 and you talk um emotion on that right 618 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,000 now I don't know if I can support cuz I 619 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:46,320 haven't seen 620 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,440 >> that's why I said I would I don't want 621 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,760 to knock you and that's fine and that's 622 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:57,280 fine cuz I really believe that they need to see it u to give it 623 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,679 the best chance possible for you to get 624 00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:02,880 what you want the probably 625 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:03,520 >> calls [clears throat] during the 626 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,400 meeting. 627 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,760 >> No, we're not taking phone calls during 628 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,760 the meeting. Please silence all uh 629 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,400 electronic devices, please. Thank you. 630 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,840 Um so we'll we'll get um your 631 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,360 information right there. Has that been 632 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:19,120 sent to 633 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,520 you Snow looked at it? And we'll 634 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,320 actually get that over to uh attorney 635 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,919 hell as well from planning. 636 00:24:25,919 --> 00:24:27,600 >> Okay. And I mean, I'm sure they can get 637 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,440 together and put it all together and get 638 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,200 it in there and do what you need to do. 639 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,720 >> Okay. 640 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,760 Would it be I don't know. In 641 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,600 committee meetings, can departments 642 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,919 speak and chime in or what we No. Okay. 643 00:24:41,919 --> 00:24:49,510 >> Um, 644 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,919 » yeah. Lawyer left. Um, and I would think 645 00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:53,520 he would be one that would be speaking 646 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,600 for planning. 647 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,360 um not to put you know Dr. Edwards on to 648 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:00,480 talk about it. I don't know if she's 649 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,919 seen any of this. 650 00:25:01,919 --> 00:25:03,520 >> I have not seen any of the language now 651 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:03,919 sir. 652 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:06,240 >> So and this is why I just 653 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,679 >> and that's important to me to bring 654 00:25:07,679 --> 00:25:09,360 everybody to the table where we don't 655 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:10,480 have to 656 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,159 >> take two or three days go talk to them 657 00:25:12,159 --> 00:25:16,400 email them wait for their reply reply. 658 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,440 So in my mind, you know, that was a 659 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,120 simple change to take out indefinite 660 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,600 done. The things we want to see put in 661 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,440 here down the line and the things that 662 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,360 you're addressing, like you said, I 663 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:28,880 think we need to get 664 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:29,360 >> Okay. 665 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:32,480 >> everybody in the room in order to make 666 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,200 the best decision. Um because like I 667 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,520 said, I don't want to vote on something 668 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,200 and then then vote it down and it's 669 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:39,760 really good. 670 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,039 >> Yeah. I'm not going to request, 671 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:42,480 >> you know, and I don't want to I don't 672 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,840 want to do that to you, man. I want you 673 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,640 to get the best chance to get what you 674 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,240 want into this. 675 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,400 >> And I think if we have everybody in the 676 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,159 meeting, man, that that'll be the best 677 00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:54,480 way to do it cuz I don't want to like 678 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,679 you put something up right now and it 679 00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:57,840 gets voted down and now here we are 680 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,039 stuck. I don't want to do that to you. 681 00:25:59,039 --> 00:25:59,600 So, I want you to 682 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:00,320 >> I appreciate that. 683 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,360 >> No, it's all good. It's all good. 684 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:04,640 >> I'm sorry I'm talking to you the way we 685 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,480 talk on the phone, but this way this the 686 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,400 way we talk. 687 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,000 So, 688 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,520 >> is there any other 689 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,520 >> So, Joe, is it okay with you if this is 690 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,120 put on hold, too, in addition to the um 691 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:21,039 time frame that we put on hold? 692 00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:22,480 >> Yes, I don't see anything wrong with 693 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:22,880 that. 694 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:23,520 >> Yeah. 695 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:24,799 >> Okay. 696 00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:28,799 Are there any other issues or any 697 00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:30,960 changes that that people were looking at 698 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,120 uh to have possibly voted on tonight or 699 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,520 do we think it's best to get in there 700 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,840 with planning? um and get all the the 701 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,000 heads in there together uh to make all 702 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:42,799 of these decisions. 703 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:44,799 >> I like B. I like option B. 704 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,440 >> Okay. Do we have any other changes that 705 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,279 we want to put forth tonight? I have 706 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:51,200 none. Like I said, I I feel very 707 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,960 strongly about what I'm saying about the 708 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,279 year after, but I'm not going to throw 709 00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:57,120 that out there tonight. I'm going to do 710 00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:58,159 just like you're doing. I'm going to 711 00:26:58,159 --> 00:27:00,559 wait. Um somebody may come up with 712 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:05,520 something that I think is better than what I say. you know, um you're not 713 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,480 100% right on everything, you know, so 714 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,279 you really need to to wait, give other 715 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:13,440 people a chance, I believe, to weigh in 716 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,840 on something like this. This is big. And 717 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,600 I I did want to say this and mention 718 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,240 this. These are two council members who 719 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,919 this is their first uh term and they've 720 00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:26,559 been hit with nothing but big issues. 721 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:28,960 Big big issues. I've been on the council 722 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,200 now. this is my third term and maybe 723 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,440 once or twice that I feel like we had 724 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,039 issues that were this big. Um so I think 725 00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:39,760 you know we could put a little slow on 726 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,080 that and guess get all the people in the 727 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,400 room to make sure you get what it is 728 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,039 that you want to get in this ordinance. 729 00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:47,520 >> Agreed. 730 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,919 >> Cuz we all agree uh I keep say a 731 00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:52,400 moratorum moratorum 732 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,279 um and then get all these details taken 733 00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:58,720 care of. That's how I see it. 734 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,320 >> You guys want to comment on that? 735 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,679 >> I like that plan. I just want to make 736 00:28:01,679 --> 00:28:03,600 sure we do it one time, get it right, so 737 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,960 we're not chopping it up throughout the 738 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:05,840 years. 739 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,360 >> So, yeah. 740 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:08,240 >> So, we're going back and forth. 741 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,000 >> We need an extra week or two. I think 742 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,440 we've come this far. I don't think a 743 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,960 week or two is going to make or break us 744 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,600 right now. 745 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:19,200 >> Got Okay. So with no other changes being 746 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,320 presented by this committee, 747 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,799 that would be basically the end of this 748 00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:27,679 committee meeting. And I would ask for 749 00:28:27,679 --> 00:28:29,600 it and we see people who are unhappy, 750 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,240 but that's okay. 751 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,240 >> I think it's a waste of taxpayer time. 752 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,200 And I would just encourage you all and 753 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,799 there will not be any public comment. 754 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:38,080 >> It's not public comment. You said the 755 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:38,960 meeting's over. 756 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,240 >> No, we're not. We didn't make We didn't 757 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,000 make a motion to adjourn. 758 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,360 >> We did not make a motion to adjurnn. Now 759 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,679 I like for you to adjourn. 760 00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:47,200 >> Do I have a motion to adjurnn? 761 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,240 >> Motion to adjurnn. 762 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,760 >> Second. 763 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,679 >> Meeting is adjourned. Thank you. 764 00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:53,039 >> I would encourage you to put something 765 00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:56,000 in place before. 766 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,919 >> You are watching Access Leaport [music] 767 00:28:57,919 --> 00:29:00,480 County Channel 97. Coming up next is the 768 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,159 September 8th meeting for the Michigan 769 00:29:02,159 --> 00:29:03,520 City Common Council [music] 770 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,600 Planning and Zoning Committee. You can 771 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,600 find more information for this meeting 772 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,320 by visiting www.acess 773 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:18,030 leaportcount.org. [music] 774 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,060 » [music]