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County Channel 97. Coming up next is the

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October 6th meeting for the Michigan

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City [music] Common Council. You can

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by visiting www.acesslaport.org. [music]

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Good evening and welcome to the Michigan

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City Common Council. Today is Tuesday,

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October 6, 2026.

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I would first like to ask if you would

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all please silence all of your

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electronic devices.

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Should your cell phones, laptops, or

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whatever your electronic devices happens

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to ring, I ask that you please take your

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phone calls and exit the council

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chambers and take your phone calls out

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in the chambers or outside due to um

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non-interruptions.

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I would now like to also ask if you will

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all please join us in saying the pledge

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of allegiance and a moment of silent

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prayer.

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for all.

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And before we begin um our agenda, I

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would ask and to acknowledge that we

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have two council members that is online.

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Councilwoman Moldenhower and Councilman

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Nelson, please remember that um in order

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to cast your vote, you have to be

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visually visibly seen. You'll need to

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have your screen monitor on. Thank you.

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Madame Clerk, if you would please on the

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roll call. Mr. Vietri,

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>> present.

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>> Mr. Coulter,

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>> present.

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>> Mr. Dabney,

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>> present.

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>> Dr. Cora,

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>> present.

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>> Miss Lee, present. Miss Molden,

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>> present.

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>> Mr. Nelson

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» present.

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>> Mr. President Bolinski

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>> present

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>> and Miss Tman

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>> present.

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>> We have nine present and no one absent.

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» M president

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>> uh Dr. Core.

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>> Yeah. I'd like to

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add one item to the agenda and that is

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an ordinance establishing a temporary

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moratorum on new data center development

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and creating section 22-3 in the

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Michigan City Municipal Code

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>> support.

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Do you make the judgment?

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>> Is that a motion Dr.

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>> That's a motion.

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madam.

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>> That entertain a second.

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>> Support.

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>> Madame clerk, on the vote, please.

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>> Mr. Coulter.

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>> Hi,

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>> Mr. Dabney.

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>> Hi,

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>> Mr. Dr. Cora.

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>> Hi,

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>> Miss Lee.

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>> Miss Moldenau.

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>> Nay,

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» Mr. Nelson.

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» thank you, Councilman Nelson.

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>> I'm sorry, but we can't

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>> abstain [clears throat]

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before we can take that vote. U Madam,

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we cannot see you. Councilman Nelson,

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>> I'm sorry. I'm at work. I'm in my car.

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maybe that

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>> Okay, now you're visible. Thank you.

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Appreciate it.

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>> Abain. Abstain.

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» Okay, you're shamed now. All right,

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abstain. Uh Mr. President Balinski

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>> and Mr. Beatatrice

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>> we have uh eight and seven in favor one

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opposed and one abstained

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>> and so the moratorum um is now added to

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the council agenda for this evening.

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Madam President, I have one more uh

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request and a motion to change the order

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of business on our agenda so that we can

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move up the flock camera system.

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Consideration of the flock camera system

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uh which is listed as the last item on

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the agenda. I want to move it up.

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>> May I entertain a second?

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>> Second.

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>> Was that by Councilwoman Lee?

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Was that second?

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Madame clerk, if you would please on the

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>> Mr. Dabney.

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>> Dr. Corora.

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>> Miss Moldenower.

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» Miss Mr. Moldenour.

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>> Mr. Nelson.

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>> Abstain.

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» Uh, Mr. Presolinsky.

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>> Miss Tolman.

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>> Mr. Beatri.

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>> Hi.

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>> And Mr. P. I

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>> we have eight in favor and one

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abstained.

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>> And so the flock has been moved up on

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the council agenda for this evening.

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Next we have reports of standing

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committees the finance committee

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meeting. Councilman Dabney.

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>> Madam press madam president we need to

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do the approval of minutes. I just

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>> Oh sorry all these errors.

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Um, the approval of minutes for the

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regular council hybrid Zoom September

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15, 2026.

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Have all council members had an

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opportunity to review and to make any

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corrections if necessary?

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>> If there are none, may I entertain a

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motion?

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>> Motion to approve.

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>> Support.

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>> Madame Clerk, on the vote, please.

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>> Dr. Cora,

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>> Miss Lee,

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>> Mr. Moldenower,

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>> Mr. Nelson.

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>> Mr. Presolinsky.

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>> Miss Tilman. Hi,

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>> Mr. Beatri. Hi,

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>> Mr. Coulter. Hi,

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>> and Mr. Dabney.

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>> We have nine in favor and no one

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opposed. And the approval of the minutes

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for the regular council hybrid zone

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September 15, 2026 is approved. Next on

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our agenda, we have reports of standing

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committees. Um, our finance committee

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meeting, Councilman Dabney.

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» Yes. All right. [clears throat]

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The finance uh committee meeting of

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October 6, 2026 was called to order by C

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by Chairman Bryant Dabney at 6:02 p.m.

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to review and approve claims uh since

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the last meeting. Committee member

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Councilman Dr. Kora, Councilman

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Beatatri, and Councilman Dabney were

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present. Uh, city controller Smith was

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also present. Claims reviewed were

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$189,92362

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from the riverboat fund, $0 from Boyd

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Development Fund, and $0 from the rainy

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day fund for a total claim docket of

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$189,92362.

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There were no further questions about

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the claims docket from uh the committee

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members. Councilman Beatri move to

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recommend approval of the docket. There

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was a second from Councilman Dr. Kora.

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The motion was approved unanimously.

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Then city controller Smith uh commented

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concerning the six Dodge Durango that

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are on the dock and explain why the

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payment is uh going to Everweise Credit

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Union. Um and everybody was sufficient

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with that explanation. I can explain in

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more detail if I need to. Finally, on a

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motion Councilman Beatatri and a second

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by Councilman Dr. Core, the meeting was

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adjourned at 6:08 p.m. The details of

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the claims are as follows. from the

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riverboat fund payment to Everweise

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Credit Union. Uh there were police

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vehicles, there were six of them. There

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were Dodge Durango total uh for a

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payment of $189,92362.

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Once again, there were $0 from Boyd

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Development and zero from the rainy day

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fund for a total claim docket once again

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of $189,92362.

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the October 6th uh 2026 riverboat and

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rainy day fund statement of cash

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position. In the riverboat fund, we have

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5 million898,70

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$70.91.

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In the rainy day fund, we have 1,99,8946

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for a total between the two um accounts

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of $6,997,965.37.

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And into tonight's meeting with the uh

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committee members, I also reported uh

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things that will come up later in the

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council meeting, but since we discussed

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those in the uh finance committee, I did

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put those in the minutes here. There

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were some salary ordin going to be

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salary ordinance changes and some

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reductions to uh the budget that will be

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introduced tonight. I'll make a motion

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to approve those. Uh but budget

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reduction and this happened at our

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hearing of September 21st, 2026. It was

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fund 2209.

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All account numbers were included.

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Description was the lit economic

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development fund police department uh

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department 202. The original request

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showed $181,800.

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The council reduction was $181,800.

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So now the revised amount of that uh is

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$0. And council knows for that that was

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uh found to be a duplicate in the

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budget. So we had to uh get rid of that

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uh out of the uh said budget changes in

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salary ordinance planning and

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inspection. I will introduce these

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changes. The high end of pay range was

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listed at $69,345.

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However, it should have should be listed

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at $62,000.

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in the street department. There was a

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position that we needed to add um

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position of field super supervisor with

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a salary range of $56,000

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to $62,000.

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And that concludes the finance committee

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uh report tonight.

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>> Thank you, Councilman Dabney.

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Um may I entertain a motion to approve?

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>> So moved. Second.

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>> Madame Clerk, on the vote, please. Miss

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Uh Miss Moldenower.

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>> Mr. Nelson.

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>> Mr. Presolinsky.

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>> Hi.

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>> Miss Tilman.

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>> Mr. Beatri.

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>> Mr. Calter.

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>> Hi.

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>> Mr. Dabney.

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>> Hi.

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>> And Dr. Kora.

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>> Hi. We have nine in favor and no one

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opposed.

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>> And the claims for October 6, 2026 is

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approved.

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Next on our agenda, we have reports from

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boards and commissions.

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We have Tristan Smith, president of

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Urban Enterprise Zone Association's 2026

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annual report.

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Good evening. My name is Carlton Bishop

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and I am the uh new executive director

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of the Michigan City Urban Enterprise

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Association. Um and I have with me Mr.

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Tristan Smith, the uh board president.

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Look at that. Right on time. All right.

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So, if you guys check your your TV

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monitors over here, um this is just our

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board so you guys can get familiar with

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it. Um it's it's kind of a hefty board

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and it's in between a mayor appointment

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and the council. So you guys do have

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some say um on the urban enterprise

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board. Uh just so you know. Um

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again and this is something where you

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know it's not public comment. So if you

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guys want to just give me a you know

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back and forth or or if you have any

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questions feel free to stop me and I can

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always answer any questions as we go

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through. So going to the next one. So,

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here's our zone. Um, the zone, it's it's

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very interesting how this happened. So,

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in the the Economic Development Corp of

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Indiana actually took this over or they started it and now us on the local

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level, we have more to do with it in um

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in operating this zone. So, here's our

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borders and what the urban enterprise

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does essentially is it administers

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grants to the community. So we can

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administer grants um on the residential

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level, on the business level, and um it

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works by collecting tax basis from

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businesses making an investment kind of

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like the RDC or the EDMC, but it's its

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own specialized lane where um you know,

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it could do a lot of things that like

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the RDC maybe can't do just because of

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statute of how it's set up. So, um, I'm

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coming in basically now to kind of like,

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uh, you know, just to check out how this

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was developed and look at incentives and

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different things that we could do to

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really give back to to the community and

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the the business, uh, sector. So, go to

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the next one. Um, again, so the purpose

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is is really um, you know, economic

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health and reinvestment within the

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enterprise zone. um current standing,

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you know, we're we're taking a look at

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kind of where we've been and where we

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want to go. Um and again, Mr. Mr.

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Tristan here knows Mr. Smith knows a lot

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more than I do about where they've been.

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I think last year you guys gave away

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upwards of $100,000 to um to residents.

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Um, and one of the big determinant

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factors is um, unlike an RDC or or

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within TIFF, you know, you're

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developing, you know, sewer and you're helping like 10 businesses all on one block. That's kind of how RDC

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works. We fit in more on the residential

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level, right? So, if they need to paint

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houses, if buildings uh, you know, need

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something specific, we can help those

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individual people, which is really nice,

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right? And it's by statute that it works

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that way that we can all work together

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in collaboration.

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Um let's see here. Yeah, perfect. So

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we're going to try to modernize, right,

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engage, educate, and predict. So um

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right now we're taking a look at

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different uh recordeping, bookkeeping,

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just everything that the kind of the

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zone has has been tracking. And it looks nice. We we looked through and

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it's been bookkept pretty well. Um I

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have also brought on Mary Jane and

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Associates. Uh she played a big role in

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setting up Leaport's uh urban enterprise

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zone. Um and she was the executive

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director for 10 years until she stepped

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down. So we're really happy to have her

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as well and she's helping us uh with all

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of these steps. And you know I'm trying

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to engage and let you guys kind of

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understand where we're at tonight and educate um and hopefully we can we

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can see uh progress moving forward. we

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go to the next one. So again, our lane

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is is not, you know, the we're not the

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RDC, we're not economic development MC

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uh urban enterprise. It's it's just a

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separate smaller piece that works

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together in unison with all of these

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things. Um and done correctly, you know,

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it it's great because it's Michigan

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City's just seen so much progress in the

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last 10 years. I tip my hat to the RDC,

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EDMC, and and all the above. Um, but you

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know, this is that last piece I think

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that can really help the residents out

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and I'm excited to do that.

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Go ahead. [gasps]

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Um, again, this is kind of uh stuff that

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I already hit on, but um, you know,

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we're corate coordinating directly with the city. Um, that's why I'm here

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tonight. Um, like I said, you guys hold

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the keys to our board in ways where um,

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there's a sunset clause. So, if we

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sunset in say 2028 or whenever that

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definitive time is, we can show you what

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we're doing or our projects that we're

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working on and then you guys can help us

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reinstate or lock us in for for more uh

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years for us to continue to uh help the

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community grow.

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So, again, looking ahead, um we we hope

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to work with the RDC, with the council,

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um with the mayor's office, um and you

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know, with the residents. It's outreach

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is going to be big with the residents

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and the business owners are already

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excited. So, the business owners are

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happy to just see, you know, some out of

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the box thinking, which by statute we

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can do and I always hate when I see, you

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know, people coming up here and they're

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like, well, how come the city's not

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doing XYZ? Well, sometimes the city

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can't because it's locked in a certain

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statute or a way of doing something

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where it can't distribute money. So

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that's why we're saying we're here to

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help fill in some of those gaps and

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we're excited. I think that would be

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about it. Is that all right? So yeah,

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that's our report. Um if I I [snorts]

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think Tristan, if you want to help me on

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our our numbers, I've been in this role

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for about 20 days or 30 days. So I think

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we're at 180,000 of retained earnings

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from last year. Correct.

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>> Correct. We're at 180,000 from this

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year.

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>> What's that?

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>> We're at We're at 180,000.

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>> 180,000. and we have about 60,000 coming

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in and that changes every year dependent

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upon which businesses are in our zone

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and are participating um in the uh the

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EZ program.

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» All right. Are there any comments or

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questions from the council?

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>> I just want to thank thank you for a

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very nice presentation. Um, I just

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wanted to ask if you could just um

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reiterate back to the map that that's

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only available to residents or

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businesses that are within the UEE.

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>> Yes, ma'am. It it was it was like I

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said, it was something that was

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developed by the Indiana Economic

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Development Corp for specialized areas

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that needed help, right? And that's how

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that was erected. And the borders can

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change. Um I I believe it's our board

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that can dictate that. But there's a

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whole process, but but yes, so um our

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borders encompass uh residents,

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businesses, and even some larger

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manufacturing. Um and again, the

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manufacturing is kind of what helps us

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kind of spread the wealth to to the

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residents that need it.

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>> Thank you, Councilman Prisbelliski.

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>> Yeah. Where does your uh organization

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get the funding to do what you do?

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>> So it comes from the tax basis of people

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in the zone. So if they um if they do a

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project or a a larger business has more

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assessed value, the the what we can do

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is work with them and their accountants

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go through a specific process to get um

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an incentive and then they save a little

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bit of money on what they would pay for

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assessed value and then a little piece

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of it goes back to the zone. But it's a whole process. Um, and again,

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maybe we should even have a workshop on

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it because it's it's something that's

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interesting that I think a lot of people

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don't know cuz it it's not something

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that is in standard economic development

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or, you know, or how cities function

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>> and how do you keep track of you're

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getting the right amount of money back

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from the different businesses? Who takes

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care of that?

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>> So, the auditor actually does that in

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the county. So, um if we work with the

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county, then the county looks at the

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numbers and then they can send us um the

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differences in assessed value and we

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don't really we don't even give an

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incentive. Technically, what it is is if

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they fill that form out and the assessor

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looks at the assessed value difference,

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they almost just tell us here's what it

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is, like here's the number. we can guess

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or kind of understand the upper limit or

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lower limits on that, but unless the

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assessor or the assessor's consultants

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stamp it, then you know, we're just kind

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of, I guess, making a proforma.

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>> Okay. And then how do you know that

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everybody in the zone is participating

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the way they should be participating? Is

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that through the county auditor? Do they

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let you know or?

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>> So, they actually send the forms to us.

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Um and the businesses also send a

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separate form to the urban enterprise

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association so we all understand and

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then the grants are administered

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to the public um through residential

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grants, small business grants, stuff

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like that. And that's all a very strict

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process too. Um you know it's it's all

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by statute. There's some stuff that we

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can do, some stuff that we can't do,

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which is why we have a certified grant

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administrator now handling all that,

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which I'm excited about. Okay. Thank

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you, sir.

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>> Are there any other questions or

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comments from the council?

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>> I got a question.

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>> Councilman Nelson.

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>> Yes, sir.

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>> Okay. Um,

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before I became council, I was on this

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board. I've been on this board probably

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about four or five years. I've seen

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three executive directors.

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What is your approach when it comes to

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um convincing businesses to buy into the

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UEE?

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what are you doing different?

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>> So, um I will say as of one month and I don't know 7 days,

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I've already talked to about 20

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businesses and I have 10 businesses

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already trying to buy into the program

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and they're investigating incentives in

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the zone right now. So, I'm I'm trying

548
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,000
to take the experience that I have for

549
00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,760
living here in Michigan City for 10

550
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,480
years and, you know, in being a

551
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,000
contractor in different parts of the

552
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,679
county that's really helped me to

553
00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:07,840
understand who the players are and and

554
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,159
who can really benefit, you know, the

555
00:22:10,159 --> 00:22:11,919
zone. So, it's it's having those

556
00:22:11,919 --> 00:22:14,720
contacts, I think.

557
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,240
>> Okay. So, once again, what are you

558
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,080
doing? What's your approach? like walk

559
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,000
me through what are you [clears throat]

560
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,919
talking what are you saying differently

561
00:22:21,919 --> 00:22:24,000
than the last two executives that's

562
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,159
getting them to feed into the UE is

563
00:22:26,159 --> 00:22:29,200
where I'm at right it's it's reaching

564
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,000
out to the businesses to participate

565
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,120
actively um cataloging all that right

566
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:38,240
and it's stipening grants to make sure

567
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,520
that we get to people in the

568
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,440
neighborhoods that we get to businesses

569
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,400
on the boulevard that we get to them on

570
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,880
Midtown you know like it's it's working

571
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,760
with the city in conjunction. Um, and

572
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,760
again, that's that's why I'm here now.

573
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,000
And I've had a meeting with probably

574
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,559
four or five city officials already just

575
00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:59,280
to try to understand who needs uh these

576
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,440
incentives the most and who we can help

577
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,159
the most to be frank, you know.

578
00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:05,600
>> Okay.

579
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,679
>> So, historically the city hasn't worked

580
00:23:07,679 --> 00:23:09,360
with the UEE. So, you're saying you're

581
00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:13,120
working with the city now and the UEE?

582
00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:15,600
Well, I think the city um you know was

583
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,240
just focused on already seeing some

584
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,640
other things, but the city has always

585
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,120
done you know projects with the with the

586
00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:25,840
urban enterprise in some capacity, but I

587
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,120
think I really can bridge that gap and and we can do

588
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:30,960
>> familiar. I'm not familiar any projects

589
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,520
they've done. So, and like I said, I've

590
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,960
been on this board the last four or five

591
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,280
years, so that's new information to me.

592
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,280
Um, another question is when it comes to

593
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,280
residential interaction, what is that

594
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,960
going to look like with with um

595
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,679
with with you and um the new executive

596
00:23:47,679 --> 00:23:50,400
director at HM?

597
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,880
>> Uh, can you restate? Did you say

598
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,520
>> what is residential interaction going to

599
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,679
look like?

600
00:23:57,679 --> 00:24:00,640
So residential interaction uh we we're

601
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,400
setting up a way where we have um we're

602
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,320
working with the library so they could

603
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,919
stay open later and give uh people forms

604
00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:11,679
so that they can apply for the different

605
00:24:11,679 --> 00:24:13,039
grants that we have at the different

606
00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:15,600
grant cycles. And we're also working

607
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,640
with um we're going to be working with

608
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,480
uh the different offices like the

609
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,480
trustes office, right? Like if we give

610
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,080
them information, they're going to be

611
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,320
able to get a hold of people. Uh, and

612
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,760
then we're going to be out on the the

613
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,600
street, you know, if if there's people

614
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,440
that could qualify, we want them to know

615
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,200
about it. And that's with all the other

616
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,840
marketing channels, right, of Facebook,

617
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,240
the paper, standing at the council, and

618
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,240
having uh, you know, the newspaper write

619
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,120
about it the next day. I mean, that's the least that we could do,

620
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,400
right? So, um, but yeah, again, we'll be

621
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,360
here and let me let me know if uh if you

622
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,240
have any ideas, Mr. Nelson, as part of

623
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,200
my board,

624
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,720
>> I will do so. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

625
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,720
>> President Kilman, please.

626
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,039
>> One more question. So, how far down in

627
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:03,360
the Midtown area have you been down

628
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,279
Franklin Street reaching out to those

629
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:07,679
businesses?

630
00:25:07,679 --> 00:25:11,440
>> Um, so I was looking at businesses that

631
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:18,960
were doing projects. So again, it's it's only been about 30 days, so I've

632
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,679
our we go all the way south as far as

633
00:25:21,679 --> 00:25:24,640
what is is what that map showed, but we

634
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,760
do have some on the docket right now. Um

635
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,840
that you know, I'm not going to talk

636
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,200
about their their project here, but

637
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,200
>> how far how far south do you go?

638
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,200
>> How far south is that, man?

639
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,400
>> Pretty far down.

640
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,919
>> H

641
00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:41,440
right. Yeah. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah.

642
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,919
So, it's about Harrison down there and

643
00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:45,520
then the boulevard on the other side,

644
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,159
there's a lot more space that it goes.

645
00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:50,799
Um, but remember, you know, if you're

646
00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:53,039
doing a project in any of these these

647
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:54,799
urban enterprise zones, there could be a

648
00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:56,640
possible incentive there, but if you

649
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,200
also need to do something, uh, you could

650
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,200
take advantage of a grant that that

651
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,200
we're doing. So, you know, we're getting

652
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,320
together and we're going to come out

653
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,240
with grants. So, anybody in the zone can

654
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,840
take advantage of those if that makes

655
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,200
sense. Um, and I want to just restate up

656
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,360
here, there's a facade grant available

657
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:16,880
from the RDC right now for $30,000.

658
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,120
So, if you guys are there right now in

659
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:20,400
Midtown and you're like, "Hey, I really

660
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,480
wish that I could get some money for a

661
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,120
project." It's a very generous um, you

662
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,200
know, amount, I I would think. And we

663
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,960
were going to try to duplicate that with

664
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,240
Urban Enterprise and we said we don't

665
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,080
have to. The RDC is doing a great job

666
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,279
already.

667
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:34,960
>> Okay. Thank you,

668
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,120
>> sir. Thank you. Um, I don't think

669
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:39,120
there's any other further Oh, Councilman

670
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:39,760
Dabney.

671
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,919
>> Yeah. Um, just something that you can

672
00:26:41,919 --> 00:26:45,120
look at in terms of helping the public.

673
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:46,720
Um,

674
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,640
I was on this I was a liazison from the

675
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,600
council my early years on the council

676
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,679
and we actually did a workshop down at

677
00:26:53,679 --> 00:26:55,520
the fire training station

678
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,840
>> where we invited the public out to show

679
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,840
them how to apply uh to both uee uh

680
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,840
grant money and that was community

681
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,400
development block grants as well.

682
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,120
um we had quite a good turnout. It was

683
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,840
over 100 people in there um learning how

684
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,279
to apply for that. So that'd be

685
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:14,720
something that would really be useful,

686
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,640
man, to go out and and have just a

687
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,880
session where you show people what the

688
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,880
grants are and how to apply. I think

689
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,880
that'll help you guys out quite a bit uh

690
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,440
when you get around, you know, to that part of it cuz I know you're trying

691
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,720
to raise the money now by getting the

692
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,559
businesses in there. But that'll be good

693
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,159
for you guys to do something like that,

694
00:27:30,159 --> 00:27:31,919
man. Organize that. I think it'll pay

695
00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:33,360
off good for you.

696
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:37,669
>> Yeah. Thank you, Councilman.

697
00:27:37,679 --> 00:27:40,480
» Are there any others? If there are none,

698
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,159
I would like to thank you for your

699
00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:43,520
annual presentation.

700
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,679
>> Thank you.

701
00:27:47,679 --> 00:27:51,760
>> Next, we have John, is it Risa

702
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,360
with the Michigan City Public Art

703
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:56,240
Committee member, MAC

704
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,799
Walking Arts 5K, happening on Saturday,

705
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:06,870
October 10th, 2026.

706
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,120
Hello, council members. Uh, thank you

707
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:10,559
for having me today. I appreciate all

708
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:11,760
the work that you're doing here today

709
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,279
and giving me the opportunity to speak

710
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:15,440
about the uh, Michigan City Public Art

711
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,120
Committee's Walking Art 5K, which uh,

712
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:20,799
we've been working on for more than a

713
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:23,840
year developing it. It's our inaugural

714
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,880
um weekend here where on this coming

715
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,279
Saturday at starting at Millennium Park

716
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:32,559
Plaza at 10:00 a.m. we're going to have

717
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:38,320
a walk of um citizens who are dressed up

718
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,480
in costumes hopefully looking like their

719
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,880
uh favorite art pieces or artists or

720
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,039
because it's October maybe even like

721
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:47,200
just you know Halloween costume but we

722
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,000
encourage citizens to get dressed up in

723
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,880
costume. We've got a 5K route that's a

724
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,640
big figure rate. So, if you get tired

725
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,240
and you only want to do half, you'll

726
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,240
wind up right back at the celebration at

727
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,799
Millennium Park, but we'll be taking you

728
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:04,240
through or past approximately 30 works

729
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,960
of public art. Uh most of them have been

730
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,559
brought to you by the Michigan City

731
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:11,200
Public Art Committee. Um but there's a

732
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,320
few others that are also on public land

733
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,720
by public um participants in the uh

734
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,640
community who are bringing beauty to our

735
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,120
community. And the goal is to get

736
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,480
Michigan City residents up, moving,

737
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,880
doing something that brings awareness to

738
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,399
the work that the Michigan City Public

739
00:29:28,399 --> 00:29:32,559
Art Committee is doing by creating um a

740
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:35,039
space that's beautiful for all of our

741
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:39,600
residents. We've got more than 31 public

742
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,360
pieces of art that are scattered

743
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,679
throughout all of Michigan City and then

744
00:29:43,679 --> 00:29:45,760
that are owned by the city of Michigan

745
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,520
City. And then in addition to that,

746
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,279
we've got a rotating uh group of pieces

747
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:53,279
and there's 13 of those and that is

748
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:55,600
called Sculpt Fusion. And what we'll be

749
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,240
doing is taking you past 30 of those.

750
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,240
And there's a guided tour that you can

751
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,720
take by downloading an app. So, if you

752
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,440
walk up to any of our public art pieces

753
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,760
and see the little QR code down on the

754
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,320
ground, you can scan that and it will

755
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,240
show you a map of where all of our

756
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,480
collection is at, scattered throughout,

757
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,799
including sculptures and murals and park

758
00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:18,559
benches and things that we've done to

759
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:20,799
make Michigan City more beautiful for

760
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:23,840
all of our residents. And many of those

761
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,799
have been done by Michigan City artists

762
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:29,120
themselves. One of the ways that we

763
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,039
spend the funds that we have will be

764
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:32,640
generating through these different

765
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,960
initiatives that um our fundraisers such

766
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,360
as this one are to do things like the

767
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,000
Leupold Park bench uh initiative that

768
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,399
we've had going on. If you drive up and

769
00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:44,000
down Michigan City, you'll be seeing

770
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,919
some of the uh benches that are on this

771
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:48,399
flyer here. Uh there's a little snapshot

772
00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:50,640
right in the center. You can find this

773
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,679
uh out on the table in front, but those

774
00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:56,960
were all created by um the actual

775
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,200
benches themselves were the lumber was

776
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,279
donated by a Michigan City company. The

777
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:04,640
work was done over at the Magic's uh

778
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,279
fabrication labs over on Ohio Street and

779
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,360
then Michigan City artists were the ones

780
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,440
who actually painted the benches. and

781
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,840
we're going to be auctioning those off

782
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,240
uh in the afternoon around 1:30 is the

783
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,960
end of the p the silent auction, but you

784
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,760
could own one of those uh if you're

785
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,880
interested. Um but we also have um

786
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,440
banners that have been uh created by

787
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,039
Michigan City artists and we've been

788
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:32,720
paying for those as well out of our

789
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,039
funds. Um, and those will be going up

790
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:37,919
and we're directly trying to fund

791
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:39,840
Michigan City artists, giving them a

792
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,120
voice to show the work that they're

793
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,799
doing. And this is a way for us to

794
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:45,679
celebrate them uh by creating an

795
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:48,080
opportunity for their works of art such

796
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,919
as the Leupold benches. We're going to

797
00:31:49,919 --> 00:31:52,320
be doing a um not only auctioning those

798
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,159
off, but we're also going to have a

799
00:31:54,159 --> 00:31:56,399
voting competition where you can come in

800
00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:58,960
and pay a dollar to vote for your

801
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,279
favorite bench. and the winner of that,

802
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:02,720
one of their Michigan City residents

803
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,720
will wind up getting a small gift

804
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,799
package of different art supplies and a

805
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,080
variety of things that we've had

806
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,720
donated. Um, and it'll just celebrate

807
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,120
them. Uh, and I really wanted to come

808
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:18,559
out and to um just please in ask each

809
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:20,399
and every one of you and each and every

810
00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:22,720
one of you to please come out and

811
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,120
support Michigan City artists because if

812
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,279
it weren't for those visionaries who are

813
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,279
creating something beautiful, our city

814
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:31,200
wouldn't be what it is today. We

815
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,720
wouldn't have the sculptures everywhere.

816
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,799
We wouldn't have the uh the benches and

817
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:37,039
the murals and all of these fun things

818
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:39,200
like the skate park murals and uh

819
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,279
whatnot that are happening. And one of

820
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:43,440
the things that we're trying to generate

821
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,519
funds for for next year is um

822
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:50,720
potentially painting a collection of uh

823
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,679
bench not benches um picnic tables

824
00:32:53,679 --> 00:32:55,279
throughout our city. So that way when

825
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:56,799
the children are going to the

826
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,120
playgrounds to play they'll be able to

827
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,880
sit at a piece of artwork that's been

828
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,640
done by one of our locals. But we need

829
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,720
to have um you know support from the

830
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,840
community. So, please come on out and uh

831
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,320
you know, walk the 5K. Uh sign up for

832
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,640
that, take part in the costume contest

833
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,039
because we'll have um the awards for

834
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:17,519
that, too, for best costume. And uh

835
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:19,679
yeah, do you have any questions? I don't

836
00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:20,559
want to keep it brief.

837
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:22,080
>> Are there any comments or questions?

838
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,440
Councilman Prisbolinsky.

839
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,039
>> Yeah, I don't have any questions, but

840
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:27,600
just a couple comments. Thank you very

841
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,200
much, John, for the presentation and you

842
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,519
being a visionary and the arts committee

843
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:36,720
being a visionary for putting on this 5K

844
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,840
walk and the whole program that's going

845
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,679
to take place Saturday. I happen to be

846
00:33:41,679 --> 00:33:44,080
the lelays on to the arts committee. So

847
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,480
I get all the insight on yeah what this

848
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,360
group is up to and they do a fantastic

849
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,360
job and any everyone that can both here

850
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,640
and in TV land if you can come on out

851
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,559
support the group. Even if you don't

852
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:01,039
want to wear a costume still get in the

853
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,360
walk and enjoy the day cuz it's supposed

854
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,720
to be about 75° and especially the

855
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,599
bench. Uh is that a silent auction?

856
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:11,280
Yeah, that silent auction that'll start

857
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,480
at 10:00 and it finishes up at 1:30 is

858
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,240
when the last u your last bid on one of

859
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:20,399
those benches can arrive.

860
00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:22,639
>> Okay, cuz I got my eye on a couple of

861
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,359
them. So, anyway, appreciate your help,

862
00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:28,240
folks, to uh support the art program in

863
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:29,839
Michigan City. Thank you, John.

864
00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:31,599
>> And uh I just want to say once again,

865
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:33,200
there are these little flyers right out

866
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,599
front there on the uh the table. So,

867
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,119
please grab one of those. you can see

868
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:38,879
the website and all of the uh further

869
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:40,879
information that I didn't give you, but

870
00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:42,480
there's a lot of amazing things that are

871
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,359
being done by these volunteers. Uh so

872
00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:46,800
yeah, thank you for your support.

873
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:47,520
>> Thank you.

874
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,919
>> I got a question. I got a question.

875
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:51,839
>> I didn't see your hand up. Council

876
00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:52,240
Nelson.

877
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:52,720
>> Yeah,

878
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:55,679
>> hold on now. It's a lot of [laughter]

879
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,599
It's a lot of sculptures throughout the

880
00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,359
city. How do we get one on the third

881
00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:00,800
ward?

882
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,520
>> Oh, that's a great question. We are

883
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,680
always open to um working with the

884
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,240
committee or with the community and uh

885
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,560
if you either come to one of our

886
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,040
meetings and let us know our meetings

887
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,800
are open to the public just like these

888
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,200
are. They happen every third Thursday

889
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,200
here in Michigan City at the city hall

890
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,760
and the uh mayor's um circular office

891
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,440
just outside her doors. They start at

892
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,240
10:00 and uh if you arrive there early,

893
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,960
we're always open to public comment just

894
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,520
like they are here. Um or you can look

895
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,359
for the Michigan City Public Art

896
00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:39,440
Committee um listings on the eman city

897
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,480
website and we have a email address that

898
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,480
you can contact us there or contact us

899
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,480
through Facebook. We're um trying to be

900
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,599
active on that as well.

901
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:52,160
But we very much want to um reach out

902
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,280
into the larger committee uh community

903
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,079
and we're trying to not just support the

904
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:00,160
Michigan City Franklin corridor any

905
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,320
longer, but really reach out into the

906
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,320
larger neighborhoods and uh create

907
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,240
beauty everywhere.

908
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,880
>> To my knowledge, the sculptures are only

909
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,839
um allocated to

910
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:15,440
public property that's city-owned.

911
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,200
Yeah, that's the only place that we can

912
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,320
actively place sculptures as a Michigan

913
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,079
city um committee. Uh because we're part

914
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:25,920
of the city, we have to work within

915
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,079
public lands, but uh there are lots of

916
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:32,079
right of ways throughout the

917
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:33,599
neighborhoods and parks and things that

918
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:36,079
we can work with. and just people that

919
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:38,720
own, you know, empty lots throughout the

920
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:41,520
neighborhoods or, you know, um people

921
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,000
that, you know, don't mind sculptures on

922
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,560
their um property. Have y'all thought

923
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,839
about that as being an option?

924
00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:52,079
>> We are looking at avenues for

925
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,000
potentially working with the Michigan

926
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,880
City School District to pair with them,

927
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,160
but if it's on private land, our

928
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,280
insurance cannot cover that. um as a

929
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,680
Michigan city municipality. So that's

930
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:11,270
not something that we can really do.

931
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,440
» And and and that's because of insurance

932
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,560
wise.

933
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,720
>> Yeah. Yeah. If it's a Michigan city

934
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:18,560
owned, then it has to stay on Michigan

935
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,760
City property or if we're leasing it as

936
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,839
we do as well.

937
00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:25,760
>> Okay. Thank you,

938
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,359
>> Councilwoman Lee.

939
00:37:27,359 --> 00:37:28,880
>> Thank you, Madam President. Um John,

940
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,320
thank you for your presentation and for

941
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,400
all the work that you all do. Um to

942
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,920
follow up with uh Councilman Nel

943
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,839
Nelson's question about having um

944
00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:38,400
sculptures in the third ward. Um you all

945
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,359
put one there. There's at least one um

946
00:37:41,359 --> 00:37:43,680
in the third ward at Shville Pond, the

947
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,640
uh rainbow crystis, the monfly. So there

948
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,720
is at least one in the third w I know of

949
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:50,560
>> downtown

950
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,400
>> and downtown.

951
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,079
>> It's hidden.

952
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:59,589
Well, if you check out the Ocst

953
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:02,160
app, you'll be able to find a map of all

954
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,520
of them that are scattered all

955
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,320
throughout Michigan City. And there are

956
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,760
some hidden gems that you wouldn't

957
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,599
necessarily know are there unless you

958
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:11,119
look at this app to find out where

959
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:13,119
they're at because it's very obvious

960
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:14,400
when you're going up and down Franklin

961
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,480
Street, those that are very visible. But

962
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,920
if you start exploring the

963
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,280
neighborhoods, you'll find more and more

964
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,520
of them. And our goal is to just

965
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,079
continually reach out more and more.

966
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:25,359
>> We have one more.

967
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:27,440
>> And the visibility visibility is

968
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,520
>> Councilman Nelson. I'm sorry.

969
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,200
The city expands besides

970
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,280
>> Councilman Nelson. Excuse me. Thank you.

971
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,440
Um that that actually was uh

972
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,359
Councilwoman Lee getting a response

973
00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:43,680
back. Um you've had your time and

974
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,320
actually there's one more um comment or

975
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,470
question from Councilwoman Moldenour.

976
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,200
Thank you, Madame President. Um, John, I

977
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,119
want to thank you very much for your

978
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:57,920
presentation and also for the hard work

979
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,400
that all of the committee members of the

980
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,000
public art um group um put in to

981
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,160
beautifying our city. And I want to

982
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,000
remind people that it's been

983
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,720
scientifically proven that artwork

984
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:14,240
actually helps lower the crime rate in

985
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,560
those neighborhoods that have public

986
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,040
works of art. And I think that's often

987
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,440
overlooked and I think it's worth um

988
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,119
bringing that to people's attention

989
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:25,680
again. And I wish you great success on

990
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,640
Saturday. You have many um exciting

991
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,720
activities planned and I do hope you

992
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,599
have a really great turnout. Thank you.

993
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,920
>> Thank you, Councilwoman Menau.

994
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,000
>> Thank you so much. Um I don't believe we

995
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,440
have any other comments or questions

996
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,320
from the council. So um John, we

997
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,640
appreciate your presentation. And again,

998
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,079
October 10th

999
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:47,200
>> at 10 a.m.

1000
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,119
>> Millennium Plaza. Thank you so very

1001
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:50,640
much. We appreciate you all.

1002
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,520
>> Thank you.

1003
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,680
>> Next on the council agenda, we're down

1004
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,680
to our reports of special or select

1005
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,160
committees. Do we have any reports of

1006
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,560
special or select committees?

1007
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,280
Mr. uh Councilman Beatri,

1008
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,240
>> I've got a report from the tax abatement

1009
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:11,280
committee and a recommendation.

1010
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,520
Thank you, Madam President.

1011
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,520
Um the tax abatement committee for

1012
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,640
Michigan City met on September 30th,

1013
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,079
2026. Present was myself, uh chairperson

1014
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,839
from the fourth ward, council uh woman,

1015
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:29,200
council lady Lee from the second ward,

1016
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,119
Clarence Hulse, director of economic

1017
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:33,520
development corporation, Liliana Franco,

1018
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,720
the operations manager for EDC, and

1019
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:38,880
Hannah Chapman, economic development

1020
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,200
staff, as well as a community member,

1021
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,119
Ernie Halahan.

1022
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:46,560
The meeting was opened at 5:30 p.m.

1023
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,640
and noted that the tax abatement

1024
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,400
committee has three members. Two were

1025
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,280
present, so a quorum existed.

1026
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,520
Mr. Beatatri described the work that had

1027
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,760
been done with Liliana Franco and city

1028
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,640
clerk Gail Nand prior to the uh meeting.

1029
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,560
He was the only one present, so no

1030
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,119
violation of the open door occurred.

1031
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,319
Councilwoman Lee asked Mr. Hulse why he

1032
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:12,400
was in charge of this work. tax

1033
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,119
abatement. He then gave an informative

1034
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:17,119
discussion of what toxic tax abatement

1035
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:20,640
is about, how it is created, how and why

1036
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,040
it is evaluated every year, and the

1037
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,880
responsibilities of the city council to

1038
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,839
monitor each request. He explained that

1039
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:30,400
EDC is under contract with the city to

1040
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,880
complete this task. In other

1041
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,880
communities, it's sometimes done by the

1042
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,119
county. Others other communities

1043
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:40,480
contract the work to outside entities.

1044
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,280
He explained that the projects are that

1045
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,480
require public firm funds must first be

1046
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,880
approved by the council. This year there

1047
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,760
were 11 separate abatements up for

1048
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,640
renewal from eight different companies.

1049
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,480
Three companies were awarded two

1050
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,359
abatements. These represent over

1051
00:41:59,359 --> 00:42:01,440
25,300,000

1052
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,240
in real estate investment and over

1053
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,240
44,500,000

1054
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,720
in equipment investment.

1055
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:10,560
After careful consideration of each

1056
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,599
request, it was determined that seven

1057
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:16,400
companies had all met a good faith

1058
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,560
effort to comply with the commitments of

1059
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,119
the city in terms of investment dollars

1060
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:24,079
and workforce development. One company,

1061
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:27,280
Aquagenics, had two abatements, but

1062
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,680
neither filings have been sent in on

1063
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,720
time. Councilwoman Lee re motioned that

1064
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:34,319
the tax abatement committee should

1065
00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:36,880
recommend approval to the city council

1066
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,200
for all seven companies whose

1067
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,359
information was timely at the next

1068
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:43,760
council meeting. Councilman Beatri

1069
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,200
seconded there being no name votes. The

1070
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,599
uh motion passed unanimously.

1071
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:51,440
There was much discussion about how to

1072
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,520
address Aquagenics, the one company that

1073
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,359
had been tardy. The committee was made

1074
00:42:57,359 --> 00:43:00,160
aware that the company that the company

1075
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,079
had prepared a resolution for the

1076
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:07,510
council at their next meeting

1077
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,599
to wave any penalties for their

1078
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:11,599
tardiness on filing the abatement this

1079
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:14,800
year. The data for Aquagenics is within

1080
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,520
the parameters acceptable to the council

1081
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,480
and this was not their first filing.

1082
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,960
Councilman Lee moved that we recommend

1083
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,119
approval of the abatement request

1084
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:26,960
pending the council's approval of the

1085
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,560
resolutions.

1086
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,040
If the resolution is not approved, they

1087
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,960
will forfeit this year's opportunity for

1088
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,359
abatement and will have to file in a

1089
00:43:35,359 --> 00:43:37,839
timely manner next year. Councilman

1090
00:43:37,839 --> 00:43:40,160
Beatri seconded the motion and it passed

1091
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,640
unanimously. There being no further

1092
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,119
business to conduct, the meeting was

1093
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:48,319
adjourned at six o'clock PM. Uh, one

1094
00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:50,400
thing I'd like to add is that many times

1095
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,119
we hear from people community that there

1096
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:54,880
are businesses out or people out there

1097
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,119
who want jobs and they can't find jobs.

1098
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:01,200
Well, KTR

1099
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,400
Heartside Foods and Aquagenics all

1100
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,000
included letters with their request

1101
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,599
stating they've been trying to hire

1102
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:10,240
local people and people are showing up

1103
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,079
working for two days and not showing up

1104
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:15,839
any further or working for a week and

1105
00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:19,200
then quitting and going for looking for

1106
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:24,240
um a money from the the state. So, there

1107
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:26,319
are jobs available out there if you're

1108
00:44:26,319 --> 00:44:27,760
looking for a job and you're serious

1109
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,560
about it. KTR Corporation, Heartside

1110
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,240
Foods, Doing Businesses, uh, MA Makers

1111
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:37,920
Pride, and Aquagenics are looking. Based

1112
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,520
on the minutes I've just read in the

1113
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,960
recommendation of the tax abatement

1114
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,359
committee, I would move that we approve

1115
00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:45,839
abatements for the seven businesses

1116
00:44:45,839 --> 00:44:48,000
whose application was in on time. That

1117
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,880
would be a Mirlex Marquette. Both

1118
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,000
requests from KTR Corporation, Michigan

1119
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,800
City Paper Box, Shell Catalyst and Cor

1120
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,400
and Technologies, Cairer, Shady Creek

1121
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,200
Winer Winery, and both requests from

1122
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,000
Hearthside doing business as Makers

1123
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,520
Pride, Makaker's Pride.

1124
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,880
So, I'm I'm making that motion.

1125
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,760
Second.

1126
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,960
>> Madam clerk, on the vote, please.

1127
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:24,230
>> Miss Moldenour.

1128
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:25,119
» Miss Molden.

1129
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:26,400
>> Hi,

1130
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,560
>> Mr. Nelson.

1131
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,800
>> Hi,

1132
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,160
>> Mr. Presolinsky.

1133
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:32,800
>> Hi,

1134
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:33,680
>> Miss Tilman.

1135
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:34,079
>> Hi,

1136
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:34,960
>> Mr. Beatric.

1137
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:35,680
>> Hi,

1138
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:36,880
>> uh, Mr. Coulter.

1139
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:37,280
>> Hi,

1140
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,480
>> Mr. Dabney. Hi,

1141
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:39,520
>> Dr. Kora. Hi,

1142
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,760
>> and Miss Lee. I we have nine in favor

1143
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,880
and no one opposed.

1144
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,960
>> And that has been approved for all seven

1145
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:52,640
of the um 2026 CF1 tax abatements.

1146
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,800
>> Do we have any other reports of special

1147
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,800
select committees? Councilman Dabney,

1148
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,640
Councilman Priski. Yeah, Madame

1149
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,800
President, being the uh chairman of the

1150
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,520
utilities uh committee and being the

1151
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:10,079
leazison to the sanitary district, I

1152
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:12,079
have some information here for the

1153
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:15,200
general public and for council members.

1154
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,520
Uh what the city is doing, they're doing

1155
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,119
a uh I'm going to call it a household

1156
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:24,560
Michigan city refuge fall cleanup. And

1157
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,560
as a part of an ongoing drive to help

1158
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,440
clean our community and reduce unwanted

1159
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,760
household clutter by popular demand, the

1160
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,480
Michigan city will continue the dumpster

1161
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,560
program at the airport. This program

1162
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,319
will give the community an opportunity

1163
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:41,280
to safely and responsibly rid their

1164
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,560
homes of unwanted and unused items.

1165
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,240
Beginning tomorrow, October the 7th, and

1166
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,560
Saturday, October the 10th, the city

1167
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,440
will host a drop off center located at

1168
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,480
the Michigan City Municipal Airport at

1169
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,200
Phillips Field, which is h out on North

1170
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,960
Highway 212 to dispose of a approved

1171
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,640
variety of unwanted household items. And

1172
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,720
this program is clearly designed with

1173
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:10,960
community care in mind, offering

1174
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,200
residents a chance to part ways with

1175
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,480
unused or unwanted household items in a

1176
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,920
safe and organized way. And you can also

1177
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,400
get rid of your waste tires if you got

1178
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,720
any tires sitting in the garage or in

1179
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:28,480
the backyard. Okay, real quick. Drop off

1180
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,839
dates and times this tomorrow,

1181
00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:34,640
Wednesday, and this coming Saturday. And

1182
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,599
then the following week and the two

1183
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:39,680
following weeks, both the Wednesdays and

1184
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,400
the Saturdays. So October the 14th,

1185
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,240
October 17th, Wednesday, October 21st,

1186
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:49,520
and October 24th. All these dates. And

1187
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,560
it's from 8:00 in the morning till noon.

1188
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,400
8 in the morning till noon.

1189
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,760
And just some items that are acceptable

1190
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,240
and nonacceptable.

1191
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,480
So, furniture, chairs, tables, and

1192
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,040
shelves. You can bring mattresses and

1193
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,839
box springsings. You can take toys,

1194
00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:12,720
books, and games, kitchen wear,

1195
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:15,200
appliances such as microwaves, toasters,

1196
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,960
and vacuums, yard tools, and equipment,

1197
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,240
bicycles, and sports gear, and tires,

1198
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:26,160
which are a limit four per household. No

1199
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,040
commercial or businesses can bring tires

1200
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,520
out there. And items that are not

1201
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,640
accepted are hazardous waste, which

1202
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,559
deals with paint, chemicals, and

1203
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:40,319
batteries, construction debris, drywall,

1204
00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:42,960
bricks, concrete, lumber, large

1205
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,040
appliances such as refrigerators,

1206
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,839
washers, and dryers, any medical waste

1207
00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:51,520
or sharps. No yard waste,

1208
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,760
and any items from contractors or

1209
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,559
businesses, and no landlord moveouts.

1210
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:02,800
So, what you So, what what's it what you

1211
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,040
have to do is bring your unwanted items

1212
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,680
to the airport between 8 and noon. Like

1213
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,440
I said, you have to supply an ID showing

1214
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,920
that you are from Michigan City, and

1215
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,920
you'll be directed to the dumpster area

1216
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,599
for uh unloading.

1217
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:21,680
Now, certain vehicles will not be

1218
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,359
allowed access to the drop off center.

1219
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:28,480
There will be no box trucks over 16 feet

1220
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,400
in length.

1221
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,480
No trailers over 16 feet in length. No

1222
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,720
flatbed utility dump or semi trucks.

1223
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:43,030
Vehicles containing nonverbal

1224
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,920
contents. So they can't identify them.

1225
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,680
You're not going to be able to dump.

1226
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,599
Okay. And if you have any questions,

1227
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:58,870
call 219-8731530.

1228
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,400
Okay? And and I pass all these stickers

1229
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,920
out to the council members. And if

1230
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,000
anybody wants to see these stickers

1231
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,599
after the meeting, you're more than

1232
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:12,319
welcome to come and look at them. So

1233
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:15,359
what the refuge department is doing now,

1234
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:19,200
uh they will be putting these tags on

1235
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,839
your toers if you are in violation of

1236
00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:25,760
city ordinances.

1237
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,280
And the first one is per city ordinance

1238
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,630
9-8-144.

1239
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,359
It says your totar

1240
00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:38,559
shall be set out no more than 24 hours

1241
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:41,760
prior to collection

1242
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,200
and it shall be removed within 24 hours

1243
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,240
after collection. So if the refuge

1244
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:51,359
department comes by and they see that

1245
00:50:51,359 --> 00:50:54,880
your totar is still sitting out

1246
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,079
48 hours after collection day,

1247
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,960
then you will get a sticker put on your

1248
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,760
toar.

1249
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,720
And this one here, a total shall be set

1250
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:09,040
out no more than 24 hours prior to

1251
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,200
collection. It's the same one, but it's

1252
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,910
just in a different form.

1253
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,880
And another sticker that's going to be

1254
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,720
put on the uh cans will be for

1255
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:25,760
non-collection refuge notice which means

1256
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,720
your refues will not get picked up. If

1257
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:31,680
this is on there it'll be there's four

1258
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,720
categories four categories. Wrong

1259
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:37,599
material in the toar. If that's checked

1260
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,160
off then your totar will not be picked

1261
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,079
up. garbage outside of the tower. Your

1262
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,800
garbage will not be picked up if it's

1263
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,319
overweight.

1264
00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:50,800
your garbage will

1265
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,240
not be picked up.

1266
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:54,480
>> You say that again, please. It's

1267
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:55,520
overweight.

1268
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,680
>> Yeah, it's overweight.

1269
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,599
If so, if the gentleman, if the refuge

1270
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:01,920
department, if one individual cannot

1271
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,520
move the can, I don't want to put our

1272
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,960
city workers in peril of getting back

1273
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,440
problems and then the city having to pay

1274
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,400
workers compensation for that. So, it's

1275
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,040
a move, I believe, to protect the uh

1276
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,119
workers, whether you want to believe it

1277
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:21,040
or not.

1278
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,760
And this is a warning and please correct

1279
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,640
the uh issue and if you has have any

1280
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,480
questions it says you can call 219

1281
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,150
8731530

1282
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,839
and there will be a date on there when

1283
00:52:37,839 --> 00:52:40,559
it was issued. So I just wanted to pass

1284
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:43,680
that on to the council and to the public

1285
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,559
in an effort to clean the city up. We're

1286
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:49,280
going to be moving forward and that's

1287
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:50,880
what's going on.

1288
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,040
Thank you, Councilman Chris Valinski.

1289
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:58,150
Councilwoman Moldenhower.

1290
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,000
» Thank you, Madame President. Um, I

1291
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,400
missed making two announcements from the

1292
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,480
Michigan City Sustainability Commission

1293
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,520
during that portion of the meeting. Um

1294
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:08,880
there's going to be two there's going to

1295
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,359
be a workshop held that's called Soul

1296
00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:14,000
Smart Do Your Part

1297
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,040
with Aaron Sharpening and she's a

1298
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,359
presenter from the nonprofit Solar

1299
00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:22,000
United Neighbors Indiana and she'll be

1300
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,160
talking about um the free solar co-op

1301
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,000
which is beginning. It was launched

1302
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,160
earlier this week. Um, it's an

1303
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,200
opportunity for you to choose equipment

1304
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,040
as a group buyer and you can decide if

1305
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,240
you want to participate in receiving a

1306
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:41,839
discount or not at the end of the

1307
00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:44,480
program. This is happening on Wednesday,

1308
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,880
October 21st from 5:30 to 7:00 p.m. at

1309
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,000
city hall and that will be in the EOC

1310
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,319
room. This is also a great opportunity

1311
00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:56,640
for people to get like beginning

1312
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,359
information on solar and to be able to

1313
00:53:59,359 --> 00:54:01,839
determine if their home or small

1314
00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:05,280
business is a great place um for solar

1315
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,520
to be installed. The other thing that's

1316
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,240
happening is um Northwest Indiana green

1317
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:11,920
drinks. There's going to be a

1318
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,559
presentation on the Indigenous um Native

1319
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,040
American Indian Trail that's at the

1320
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,760
Indiana Dunes Information Center and

1321
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,839
that's going to be on Thursday, November

1322
00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:25,040
5th at 6:30 p.m. That's going to be um

1323
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,280
via Facebook live on Save the Dunes

1324
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,920
Facebook page or a Zoom link can be

1325
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,880
obtained from their website or m that's

1326
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,760
embedded.org.

1327
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,680
Um thank you very much for allowing me

1328
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,079
to make those announcements. Thank you,

1329
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:41,760
Councilwoman Moldenau. Councilman

1330
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,760
Nelson.

1331
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,240
>> Yes. Um, in reference to what in

1332
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:48,720
reference to what Don was talking about,

1333
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:50,480
what is the charge for the second

1334
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:57,430
infraction if they tag your can?

1335
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,760
» I do not have an answer for that and I

1336
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,040
don't know if that's been determined

1337
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,839
yet. I know that the uh

1338
00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:07,760
refuge department,

1339
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,000
>> myself being a lesson on to the refuge

1340
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,680
department

1341
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,680
and uh the city public information or

1342
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,359
safety officer and uh Chris Carter.

1343
00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:22,240
>> We're going to have a meeting

1344
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,960
next week and we're going to be

1345
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,079
discussing those items. But as of right

1346
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:31,200
now, Councilman Nelson, I do not believe

1347
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,359
that there is a charge.

1348
00:55:33,359 --> 00:55:34,800
>> Okay.

1349
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,200
>> One moment. Uh, Councilman Nelson, um,

1350
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,440
actually, um, the director, um, Mr.

1351
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,520
Carter is in the foyer. If you would

1352
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,160
like, Mr. Carter, could you please, um,

1353
00:55:44,160 --> 00:56:01,670
come come in?

1354
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,599
Councilman Nelson has a general has a

1355
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:07,670
question for you.

1356
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,520
>> Good evening.

1357
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,760
>> Councilman Nelson.

1358
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,040
>> Yes.

1359
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,480
>> Here's Mr. Carter.

1360
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,319
>> How you doing, Mr. Carter?

1361
00:56:18,319 --> 00:56:19,440
>> I'm doing good. How you doing this

1362
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,000
evening?

1363
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,400
>> I'm doing good. I'm blessed. Um, my

1364
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,480
question was with the second infraction

1365
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,599
after the warning, what is the penalty

1366
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:30,319
um, monetarily wise?

1367
00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:32,720
>> Uh, I know there's supposed to be a fine

1368
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:34,559
behind that. I want to say we talked

1369
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:36,720
about like $50. I have to go look at the

1370
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:38,319
ordinance for sure to make sure what it

1371
00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:39,680
is. Are you talking about leaving the

1372
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,920
can out when you get an infraction?

1373
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,079
>> Um, a lot a lot right now. We're just

1374
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:47,119
kind of trying to do warnings just to u

1375
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:49,200
give us a handle on asset management

1376
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,520
because we feel that the toers are the

1377
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,079
property of the city and all we all

1378
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:56,000
we're doing is asking the the the public

1379
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,799
to uh be mindful of that and try to take

1380
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:01,440
care of the toers, put them up when they

1381
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,160
can. So I don't think we really want to

1382
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,640
enforce a fee or a fine behind that, but

1383
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:07,920
that's something that we would like to

1384
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,200
work on in the future.

1385
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,160
I I I like what you're doing, especially

1386
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,040
going down Willard. I hate seeing cans

1387
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,960
on the curb at the trash pickup days.

1388
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,240
So, um I tip my hat to you. Um to

1389
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,400
enforcing that I I feel like this

1390
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:27,680
something that's always been on the

1391
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,599
books just far as enforcement has been

1392
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:31,119
another thing. I remember when I first

1393
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:33,359
obtained my house on the west side, I

1394
00:57:33,359 --> 00:57:38,640
tried to be slick and put some um some some bushings and trees in

1395
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,839
a toter and I got tagged for it. So,

1396
00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:45,119
just to see that come back and um just

1397
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:47,599
enforcement, I really love that. On the

1398
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:50,880
same token, I just um I want us to

1399
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,559
follow through with it. I don't want it

1400
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:55,520
to be like a blind threat though. I I

1401
00:57:55,520 --> 00:58:00,559
want us to really like charge people and make them compliant to like the laws

1402
00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:03,599
of the land. So, I guess that's my only

1403
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:06,559
input on this. Yeah. And I and I agree

1404
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:07,920
with the sentiments that you just

1405
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,359
expressed and our our goal is to

1406
00:58:11,359 --> 00:58:13,839
communicate with the public to inform

1407
00:58:13,839 --> 00:58:15,280
them this is why we're doing these

1408
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,599
things. Hopefully the tags will create a

1409
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:19,440
curiosity for the people to call in and

1410
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,359
try to figure out what's going on, why

1411
00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:23,359
did they get tagged, and then we can

1412
00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:25,760
educate the public on the uh dos and

1413
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,920
don'ts with the containers. And so

1414
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,520
hopefully that opens that line of

1415
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,680
communication between us and the public.

1416
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,160
And then as we educate people, I think a

1417
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,880
lot of people love uh love the ideal

1418
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,799
complying. They understand once we

1419
00:58:38,799 --> 00:58:41,119
explain it to them. And so hopefully

1420
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:42,880
this right here will get their attention

1421
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,559
and help us move forward to opening up

1422
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:47,839
better lines of communication.

1423
00:58:47,839 --> 00:58:48,799
>> Thank you, Mer.

1424
00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:50,160
>> Thank you, Mr. Carter.

1425
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:50,799
>> Thank you.

1426
00:58:50,799 --> 00:58:52,720
Councilman Nelson. Are there

1427
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,480
any other reports of special or select

1428
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,160
committees

1429
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,640
from the council? If there are none,

1430
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,559
reports from mayor or other city offices

1431
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:12,549
and departments.

1432
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:14,240
» Good evening, council president, council

1433
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,680
members, clerk.

1434
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,520
>> Um, I'll I'll add a couple of things.

1435
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,680
So, we are the only city that doesn't

1436
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:25,520
charge for trash, and we don't want to do that anytime soon. This is really

1437
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,880
an education effort um for people who

1438
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,400
when people move here, they don't go to

1439
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:31,760
the city website to look up the

1440
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,760
ordinance on trash. They just don't. But

1441
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,839
um we know we have an issue. We know we

1442
00:59:37,839 --> 00:59:40,880
have an issue with some uh individuals

1443
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,520
that do multiple cleanouts. They are

1444
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,920
being cited $2,500.

1445
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,640
So don't think that we're not citing

1446
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,280
folks for cleanouts and and those

1447
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:52,960
things. they are being cited by the code

1448
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,280
enforcement officers. This is an effort

1449
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,960
from residents to understand what's

1450
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,440
going on. We don't want to charge for

1451
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,799
trash pickup. Uh you can go to our

1452
01:00:02,799 --> 01:00:04,960
neighbor in Leaport. They just did a fee

1453
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,200
increase for the next 3 years on trash

1454
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:08,880
pickup,

1455
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,640
right? So, uh we are one of the only

1456
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,400
communities that does not charge with

1457
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,000
trash and that information was shared

1458
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,359
with all of you when we had those

1459
01:00:17,359 --> 01:00:21,119
workshops on fees. So, the goal here is

1460
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:24,480
to educate first before we start moving

1461
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,960
forward with fees and fines and and all

1462
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,839
of that because what you will find is um

1463
01:00:29,839 --> 01:00:32,880
some of the folks that don't know are

1464
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,280
not able to pay those fines and so it

1465
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,440
just becomes a repeat thing. It's more

1466
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:38,960
about educating so that we don't even

1467
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,640
get to that. So, I just want to share

1468
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,480
that. So, thank you um Councilman

1469
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,200
Privolinsky for bringing that that up.

1470
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,000
Um, also thank you to the art um

1471
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,920
committee, uh, the Michigan City Arts

1472
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,760
Commission and the UEA for their reports

1473
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,880
this evening. Um, I appreciate the work

1474
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,680
that they do. Um, so show up Saturday.

1475
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,040
I'll be there with you. And then um,

1476
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,119
wanted to bring up um, I know that

1477
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:05,839
controller um, Smith did provide you all

1478
01:01:05,839 --> 01:01:07,760
with some salary information that she

1479
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,599
sent. I know Councilman Pivinsky, you

1480
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:11,359
asked for it. I had her send that over

1481
01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:14,000
to y'all so that you will have that. um

1482
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,720
making sure that you have that. And then

1483
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,119
um this evening um well, I'll bring up

1484
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:22,559
this first. Um I know uh there we had a

1485
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:25,920
release recently on um flock situation

1486
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,480
that's still with the state police. Uh I

1487
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,040
know that there's a process. I know that

1488
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,280
people want names and we have

1489
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:34,960
disciplinary things that happen all the

1490
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,040
time. And yes, our police officers are

1491
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,640
held to a higher standard, but there is

1492
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,640
a process and there's due process for

1493
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,559
individuals. We have good police

1494
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:45,839
officers and I think it's unfair that um

1495
01:01:45,839 --> 01:01:47,760
they, you know, they want to smear our

1496
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,520
police officers, some that aren't even

1497
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,640
involved um for those things. There is

1498
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,160
due process. There are internal affairs

1499
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,960
investigations that occur. I know Chief

1500
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,599
Forker will will talk about that. But

1501
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:03,200
when when a situation occurs with the

1502
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:04,640
police department, we have what we call

1503
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,799
a police commission.

1504
01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:09,119
There is our individuals are immediately

1505
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:11,599
put on administrative leave pending an

1506
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:16,400
investigation investigation and the investigations

1507
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,920
occur and if it's referred to um the

1508
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,119
state police that's where it's at right

1509
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:26,640
and once that is done and completed

1510
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,880
if there are no criminal actions it's a

1511
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,520
policy violation and I think people need

1512
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,040
to understand that we have policy

1513
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,440
violations where people are suspended in

1514
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,119
different departments We don't post them

1515
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:39,200
all on Facebook.

1516
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,319
We don't. Our employees do a good job

1517
01:02:42,319 --> 01:02:45,920
and they work hard and and they deserve

1518
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,839
um to be treated as such until

1519
01:02:47,839 --> 01:02:50,319
investigations are completed and due

1520
01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:53,359
process is completed. So, I just want to

1521
01:02:53,359 --> 01:02:55,599
share that. Um and I know that Chief

1522
01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:57,280
Forker will be talking a little bit more

1523
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,559
about that. Um, on another front, um, on

1524
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:02,799
the agenda tonight, and I know I saw

1525
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:06,000
some of my my people in here, uh, there

1526
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,480
is a resolution that I authored, and I'm

1527
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,960
thankful for Councilman Beatatri and

1528
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,920
Privolinsky for um, sponsoring it uh,

1529
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,520
with our, um, uh, United Steel Workers

1530
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,760
um, from 12775,

1531
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,400
District 7, um, in support of their

1532
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,960
petition. Um, I had the opportunity to

1533
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,599
meet with President Ryan Baker and Vice

1534
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:31,440
President um, Kelly. I see Mr. Abraham

1535
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,079
Dudley is in here too this evening. So

1536
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:36,559
again, um, I ask for your support of

1537
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:39,280
that as well. And then um, I'll be here

1538
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,520
for any questions um, on the second

1539
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,079
reading of the budget as well. So that's

1540
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:46,000
my report for today.

1541
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,119
>> Thank you.

1542
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:51,039
Are there any other reports from mayor

1543
01:03:51,039 --> 01:04:06,630
or other city officers and departments?

1544
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,000
» Good evening, council.

1545
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:08,799
>> Good evening.

1546
01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:11,680
>> Um go ahead and give you our monthly uh

1547
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:15,760
run report for September. Um

1548
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,520
for fires, we had 13 fires. Three of

1549
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,599
those were actual structure fires. Um

1550
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:21,920
the rest were just outside grass fire,

1551
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,400
dumpster fire, car fires. We had 19

1552
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,119
hazardous situations. Um which would be

1553
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:31,200
such as gas leaks, fuel leaks. Uh

1554
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:32,799
three of those were just investigations.

1555
01:04:32,799 --> 01:04:36,799
We had 273 medical calls. Uh 214 of

1556
01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:39,520
those were just illness. Um

1557
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,400
and then 56 were actual injuries, trauma

1558
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,799
of some sort. And the three three of

1559
01:04:44,799 --> 01:04:47,359
them fell under just other

1560
01:04:47,359 --> 01:04:49,440
Uh, Narcam was used twice on those

1561
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,760
medical calls. Uh, we had 22 public

1562
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,760
service, which would be lift assist,

1563
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:54,720
somebody stuck in the elevator,

1564
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,559
something along those lines. Uh, two

1565
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:58,319
rescues, and then 80 were

1566
01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:00,079
non-emergencies. They were either false

1567
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:01,760
alarms or good intent or canceled in

1568
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,480
route. Uh, for a total of 409 calls for

1569
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,480
the month of September, which brings us

1570
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,480
to 3,834

1571
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,960
to the end of September of 2026. And

1572
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,000
compared to the 3,792 we had at the same

1573
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,359
time last year, we are uh 42 more than

1574
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:20,880
we were last year on calls. And that's

1575
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,200
it for my call, my run report. Anybody

1576
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,440
any questions on that? Any

1577
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:26,960
>> Councilman Prisbolinski?

1578
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,799
>> Yeah, Chief, thanks for the uh the

1579
01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:32,000
report. And one thing that that I would

1580
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,240
like you to follow up with and bring

1581
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,880
back to the council maybe within a

1582
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,760
month's time is what we I had mentioned

1583
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,359
during the uh budget hearings.

1584
01:05:41,359 --> 01:05:41,920
>> Okay.

1585
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,920
>> About the drone that is able to, you

1586
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,960
know, be flown out and then it drops

1587
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,920
wherever the victim is at. Yeah. It'll

1588
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,839
drop a light preserver down that when it

1589
01:05:55,839 --> 01:05:58,640
hits the water, it expands and the

1590
01:05:58,640 --> 01:05:59,920
person can grab it.

1591
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:00,400
>> Okay.

1592
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:01,920
>> And if you have any questions about

1593
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,839
that, you can call Mark Swiss Neck in

1594
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:05,760
Long Beach cuz I know they got a couple

1595
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:06,160
already.

1596
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:06,640
>> Do that.

1597
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:06,960
>> Yeah.

1598
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,799
>> I'll give him a call. I'll talk to

1599
01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:09,920
>> uh look into that.

1600
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:10,559
>> Okay.

1601
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:10,960
>> Not at all.

1602
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,480
>> But if you can get back to us in a month

1603
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,480
and let the council know what that

1604
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,079
>> email you or bring it up to the next

1605
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:17,760
>> No, just bring it up at the uh next

1606
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,319
meeting. I mean, that way we can start

1607
01:06:20,319 --> 01:06:23,200
preparing for this summer and get ready

1608
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:24,559
and be proactive.

1609
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:27,920
>> All right, sounds good. Um, if anybody

1610
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:29,200
has anything else on that,

1611
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,720
>> any other comments or questions for

1612
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:32,400
Chief Taylor?

1613
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,480
>> Uh, just one more thing. This Saturday

1614
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,920
at Fire Station 1 at 10th in Nelston,

1615
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:39,599
uh, we're going to have our open house.

1616
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:41,920
We we did last year. Um, hopefully we

1617
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,280
have the turnout that we had last year.

1618
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:44,640
We had a pretty good turnout. There'll

1619
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,079
be a DJ. There's going to be some

1620
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:49,200
demonstrations. Um uh as far as live

1621
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:50,960
fire demonstration, stuff like that,

1622
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,680
there'll be some uh uh community risk

1623
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,680
reduction stuff such as uh information

1624
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,240
on how to keep your home safe. Uh

1625
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,079
possibly have some smoke detectors, uh

1626
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:01,839
things like that to to pass out like we

1627
01:07:01,839 --> 01:07:04,160
did last year. I'm not 100% on what all

1628
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,720
we have. Um there'll be some food, uh

1629
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,599
hot dogs, hamburgers, uh no charges, all

1630
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:11,039
free. So if you've been to the national

1631
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:12,319
night out with the police, it's

1632
01:07:12,319 --> 01:07:13,680
essentially the same thing except at the

1633
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,599
fire department. um just kind of opening

1634
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:16,960
the house up to everybody, let everybody

1635
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,720
see what's going on, ask questions, and

1636
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,319
just come and check everything out. Uh

1637
01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:22,000
and that'll be from 10:00 to 1, 10:00

1638
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,799
a.m. to 1:00 p.m. Um if you can make it,

1639
01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:26,720
that'd be awesome. I unfortunately will

1640
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,720
not be there. I have a a family function

1641
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:30,480
that's been a long time coming. Uh and

1642
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:31,839
it just happens to fall on the same

1643
01:07:31,839 --> 01:07:35,359
weekend. So, my apologies for that. Um

1644
01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:37,039
but any information, anybody wants any

1645
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:38,319
specifics, it should be on our uh it'll

1646
01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:40,799
be on our website or our Facebook page.

1647
01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:42,559
Uh just look it up and you'll get some

1648
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:44,640
specifics off of that. Okay.

1649
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:45,440
>> Okay.

1650
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,359
>> Anything else for me?

1651
01:07:47,359 --> 01:07:49,280
>> No other comments from the council.

1652
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:50,400
>> All right. Thank you, Chief.

1653
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:51,359
>> Thank you. Have a good evening.

1654
01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:52,559
>> I got something. I just want to say

1655
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:53,200
thank you.

1656
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,280
>> Excuse me. Councilman Nelson,

1657
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:56,960
>> with all due respect, please raise your

1658
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:58,319
hand so we can acknowledge that you

1659
01:07:58,319 --> 01:08:00,400
would like to speak.

1660
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,200
Thank you, sir.

1661
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,039
Councilman Nelson,

1662
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:06,480
>> I just want to say thank you for your

1663
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,319
consistency with your reports and

1664
01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:10,400
keeping us um up to date and real time

1665
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,799
what's going on in your world, sir.

1666
01:08:12,799 --> 01:08:14,960
>> No problem. I appreciate that and and

1667
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:16,960
like you know maybe I haven't said it

1668
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,719
before. If I have I'll say it again. If

1669
01:08:18,719 --> 01:08:20,000
there's anything you guys specifically

1670
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,560
want from me um just let me know and

1671
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,040
I'll start adding that in or however we

1672
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,520
got to do that. So but uh thank you.

1673
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:28,159
Have a good evening.

1674
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:31,600
>> Thank you Chief Taylor.

1675
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,600
>> Are there any other reports from mayor

1676
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:43,510
or other city offices and departments?

1677
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,839
Will the chief of police be speaking

1678
01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:50,470
this evening?

1679
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:57,269
» Get our upcoming ordinance, right?

1680
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:09,110
» Okay.

1681
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,040
Good evening, Council Chief Steve for

1682
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:12,239
Michigan City Police Department.

1683
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:14,239
>> Good evening.

1684
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:16,719
>> Evening. Um, sorry. I just wanted to

1685
01:09:16,719 --> 01:09:19,120
again touch base. I know over the last

1686
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:20,400
uh several months, we've been talking

1687
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,239
about flock, right, and the auditing

1688
01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:24,480
systems, right, and policies and

1689
01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:26,239
procedures in which we have in place.

1690
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:27,520
So, wanted to give an update. I know the

1691
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,920
mayor spoke a little bit on some issues

1692
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,199
that we're uh currently [clears throat]

1693
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:33,199
have and or are dealing with and just

1694
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:34,799
want to give an update on that and uh

1695
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:36,799
just fill you in more on our auditing

1696
01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:39,839
process and how that works. So again,

1697
01:09:39,839 --> 01:09:41,359
over the last several months, we've

1698
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:42,799
continued working with the council and

1699
01:09:42,799 --> 01:09:44,159
community [clears throat]

1700
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:46,400
on flock and and the broader safe city

1701
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,319
initiative. You know, we've continued to

1702
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:50,480
listen to the concerns,

1703
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:51,759
you know, narrowed the scope of the

1704
01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:53,520
proposal, reduced, you know, the

1705
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,360
permanent camera infrastructure and

1706
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,280
continue strengthening our policies,

1707
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,600
auditing practices,

1708
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,280
retention standards, and accountability

1709
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,838
measures that govern its use.

1710
01:10:03,838 --> 01:10:04,480
[clears throat]

1711
01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:06,159
Our auditing process has already

1712
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:08,159
demonstrated why those safeguards

1713
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:11,679
matter. One review identified recent

1714
01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:14,080
activity that could not be validated as

1715
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,199
a legitimate law enforcement purpose.

1716
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:18,960
That officer later resigned and the

1717
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,159
investigation was forwarded to the

1718
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:22,833
Indiana State Police.

1719
01:10:22,833 --> 01:10:23,840
[gasps and sighs]

1720
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,560
A separate historical audit has

1721
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,719
identified a second potential misuse

1722
01:10:28,719 --> 01:10:31,199
involving a separate officer. That

1723
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:32,800
officer is currently on administrative

1724
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,600
leave and that investigation is will

1725
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,840
soon be finalized and prepared for the

1726
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,360
referral to the Indiana State Police as

1727
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,360
well. I think it's important to

1728
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,400
understand that an audit alone is not

1729
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:45,679
finding [clears throat] is not a finding

1730
01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:48,400
of misconduct. An audit identifies

1731
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,960
activity that may require further

1732
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,440
review. And we have a responsibility to

1733
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:58,719
conduct that review thoroughly, and in context.

1734
01:10:58,719 --> 01:11:00,400
Accountability is not demonstrated by

1735
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,520
claiming misuse will never occur.

1736
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,440
It is demonstrated by having systems

1737
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:08,480
capable of identifying concerns,

1738
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:10,880
investigating them appropriately, and

1739
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,840
taking action when warranted.

1740
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,600
Our expectation remains the same across

1741
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,000
the across this department. Law

1742
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,159
enforcement resources must be used

1743
01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:23,360
lawfully, ethically, and for legitimate

1744
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,000
law enforcement purposes. when questions

1745
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,679
arise whether those standards have been

1746
01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:30,320
met, we will examine them and follow the

1747
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,560
appropriate processes and hold people

1748
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,120
accountable when necessary. So again,

1749
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:36,400
just wanted to give you an update where

1750
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,520
we're at regarding again um our auditing

1751
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,239
system and uh the audits that we have in

1752
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:44,480
place. I know uh coming up here, I know

1753
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:47,360
we've moved up the uh uh agenda item uh

1754
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,960
regarding Flock. Chief Shaparski will um

1755
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,040
has another brief presentation regarding

1756
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:54,400
obviously questions and concerns from

1757
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,560
the previous uh meeting to address those

1758
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,040
and then obviously uh you know we'll

1759
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:00,640
move forward with questions or uh

1760
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,520
comments concerns from them.

1761
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,840
>> Are there any comments or questions for

1762
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,520
chief?

1763
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,840
>> I just have one. Will we be getting an

1764
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,800
email of our or would um

1765
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,239
>> the statistics I apologize. Yeah, sorry.

1766
01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:18,640
We'll we'll get that email to us.

1767
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:19,600
Provide it to the

1768
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,120
>> Yeah, we'll provide it to the clerk then

1769
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:22,800
to the council and uh we'll prepare that

1770
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,159
for the next council meeting as well.

1771
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:25,120
Yeah, I apologize.

1772
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,040
>> Councilman Davney,

1773
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,000
>> and the question I have is regarding

1774
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,400
that public portal

1775
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,480
um that is supposed to go with the

1776
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:37,280
system. Is that up and running? Is it

1777
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,120
being worked on to be up and running?

1778
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,199
>> Uh that was a big part of the the sale

1779
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:43,760
to us

1780
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,840
>> uh how many years ago that

1781
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:46,480
portal.

1782
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:46,960
>> Yes.

1783
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,679
>> Yeah, it's on our website. I'm trying to

1784
01:12:49,679 --> 01:12:51,679
think what link or page it's on, but

1785
01:12:51,679 --> 01:12:53,840
yes, there's a link to it on our uh

1786
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,760
website at Michigan City INPD or

1787
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,760
Michigan City PDIN. US.

1788
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,960
>> Yeah, I I just think that would do a lot

1789
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,120
to show the effectiveness and what's

1790
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,280
happening with it. Um and I would

1791
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:08,640
actually work and try to get that onto

1792
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:12,640
the city web page as well. Um so you

1793
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,640
know information is out there from all

1794
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,560
sides coming from everywhere uh

1795
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,560
regarding their system.

1796
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:19,920
>> Thank you.

1797
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,199
>> Councilman Presbinski. Yeah. And the

1798
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:26,640
portal, what does that portal do? Like I

1799
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,320
don't remember what that portal actually

1800
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,480
does, but what does that provide for

1801
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:32,080
somebody that goes on there?

1802
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,400
>> Information about, you know, u number of

1803
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,159
searches being conducted, you know,

1804
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:39,360
agency which um you know, our flock

1805
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,301
system is shared with. Uh

1806
01:13:41,301 --> 01:13:42,719
[clears throat] I know Chief Sparks

1807
01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:44,000
probably has the exact answer, but

1808
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,679
again, basically how Michigan City

1809
01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:47,920
Police Department uses flock, right? and

1810
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,719
or um how who in which we share data

1811
01:13:50,719 --> 01:13:55,520
with right and um

1812
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,920
yeah again I'm trying to again I know

1813
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:01,199
searches I'm sorry number of searches um

1814
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:05,360
LPR I believe uh readings per month I

1815
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,600
think are on there's a whole list of of

1816
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,159
different um events again I personally I

1817
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:12,000
haven't looked at it myself but I think

1818
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:13,360
Chief Sarski might be able to answer

1819
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:21,110
that a little bit more details

1820
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:25,120
Yes. So in the last since this began and

1821
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:26,560
that request came across for that

1822
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,520
transparency portal, uh at that same

1823
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,239
time, Flock had expanded what you can

1824
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:35,520
put on there. Um so now if you go to

1825
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:36,960
Michigan City Police Department's web

1826
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,239
page under how do I you can say view the

1827
01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:42,960
flock transparency portal. Um, we made

1828
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,640
that live uh the beginning, I believe,

1829
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,679
of last week or end of last week. But on

1830
01:14:49,679 --> 01:14:52,000
there, what it has, it says gives you

1831
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,480
30-day statistics on the number of plate

1832
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:56,719
reads that our flock system has. It

1833
01:14:56,719 --> 01:14:58,640
lists every single agency, both the

1834
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,239
state, local, and federal, that we

1835
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:04,400
currently share with. Uh, it also has,

1836
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,560
uh, regional stories on flock successes.

1837
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,560
It has a few examples of successes that

1838
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,800
are happening locally here in Michigan

1839
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:15,440
City. Um and it also has uh those truths

1840
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:18,159
and myths about that we presented at the

1841
01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:20,560
workshop and in subsequent meetings. So

1842
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,199
that is always updated by us. We're

1843
01:15:23,199 --> 01:15:25,440
working um on a system to have that. But

1844
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:26,800
more importantly that will continue to

1845
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:28,880
evolve you know even with you know

1846
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,320
potential new technologies that

1847
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,159
transparency reporter will have

1848
01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:34,320
potentially the you know the drone as a

1849
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,000
first responder data for flights that

1850
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,679
are being flown. people go in and look,

1851
01:15:37,679 --> 01:15:39,440
hey, why was there a police drone above

1852
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:41,920
my house on, you know, December 10th of

1853
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:43,520
this year? And you can look at and see

1854
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,840
what the purpose was and all that. So,

1855
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,000
it's it's live. We can certainly post

1856
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,520
that to our, you know, our Facebook and

1857
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,120
the city page. We'll get that request

1858
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,199
in. Um, but it's it's it's up and

1859
01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:59,669
running. So,

1860
01:15:59,679 --> 01:16:02,159
are there any other question? Did you

1861
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:04,080
have anything else? Are there any other

1862
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,400
questions or comments for Chief Walker

1863
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,640
from the council?

1864
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:13,669
>> There. Thank you.

1865
01:16:13,679 --> 01:16:15,280
» Next on our agenda, we're down to

1866
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:16,960
petitions. Madame clerk, are there any

1867
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,320
petitions this evening?

1868
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,800
>> There are no petitions this evening.

1869
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,480
>> Madame Clerk, if you would, uh,

1870
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:24,400
communications,

1871
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,149
please.

1872
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:29,920
» Okay. A correspondence was received in

1873
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,239
the clerk's office on September 16th

1874
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:34,239
from Sergeant Anthony Loose regarding

1875
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:37,199
the data center moratorum ordinance.

1876
01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:39,120
Correspondence was received September

1877
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,320
15th from Bayan Nixa regarding the data

1878
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:47,679
center moratorum as well.

1879
01:16:47,679 --> 01:16:49,760
And madame clerk if you would our first

1880
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,040
resolution by title only.

1881
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:57,520
We're doing the ordinance. Oh, sorry.

1882
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:58,719
Do Go ahead.

1883
01:16:58,719 --> 01:16:59,840
>> I didn't hear what she said.

1884
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:04,470
>> All right. Thank you.

1885
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:07,760
» Oh, okay. I was putting it under sec at

1886
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:12,149
the top of the second ordinances.

1887
01:17:12,159 --> 01:17:17,360
Um we can we're now going to move

1888
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,480
as we approve to um move the

1889
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:22,560
establishment a temporary moratorium on

1890
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,400
the new data center development and

1891
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,440
creating section 22-3 in the Michigan

1892
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:30,159
City Municipal Code. We move that up on

1893
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:32,640
to the top of our agenda.

1894
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,440
So we will be hearing this at this time.

1895
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:37,360
And are there any comments from the

1896
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,960
sponsors? Dr. Kora. Thank you, Madam

1897
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,040
President. U

1898
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:46,480
we have been discussing this uh for um

1899
01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:49,760
several months now. Uh and I thank uh

1900
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,480
Councilman Moldinar and Councilman

1901
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:55,199
Nelson the for their attempts in the

1902
01:17:55,199 --> 01:17:58,239
past. Uh but I think what I've heard

1903
01:17:58,239 --> 01:17:59,920
from the constituents is that they

1904
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:02,480
really wanted a simple language where we

1905
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:04,480
have a temporary moratorum. So that's

1906
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:06,239
the reason why this is on the agenda

1907
01:18:06,239 --> 01:18:09,520
today. Um, ma'am present since we have

1908
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,880
introduced this ordinance late uh do you

1909
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:18,239
want me to quickly read this?

1910
01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:20,880
What is your preference?

1911
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,239
>> Um, yes.

1912
01:18:22,239 --> 01:18:24,000
>> Okay. Thank you very much. Whereas the

1913
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:25,440
common council finds that the Michigan

1914
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,679
City Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance

1915
01:18:27,679 --> 01:18:30,880
number 4120 as adopted on January 4,

1916
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:34,080
2011 did not anticipate or consider data

1917
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,239
center projects and their impacts on the

1918
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:38,800
city's incorporated areas. Whereas the

1919
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,120
plan commission is actively engaged in

1920
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,280
reviewing potential amendments to the

1921
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,199
comprehensive zoning ordinance governing

1922
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:46,480
data center development with the

1923
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:48,719
assistance of a qualified subject matter

1924
01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:51,440
expert. Whereas the common council finds

1925
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:53,120
that allowing new data center

1926
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,400
development to proceed before completion

1927
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,320
of the re of that review may be

1928
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,960
inconsistent with the city's future land

1929
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:03,520
use regulations and planning objectives

1930
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,199
and whereas the common council finds

1931
01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:07,840
that a temporary moratorium is necessary

1932
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:09,440
to preserve the integrity of the

1933
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:10,960
planning process while permanent

1934
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,600
regulations are developed. Now therefore

1935
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,679
be it ordained by the common council of

1936
01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:18,880
the city of Michigan City.

1937
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,360
Section 22-3 is hereby created in

1938
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,440
Michigan City Municipal Code and shall

1939
01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:27,120
read as follows. Temporary moratorum on

1940
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,360
new data center development. The purpose

1941
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,199
of this section is to temporarily

1942
01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:34,080
suspend the approval of new data center

1943
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,640
development while the plan commission

1944
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,800
completes its review and recommends

1945
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,120
amendments to the comprehensive zoning

1946
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:42,960
ordinance.

1947
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,719
Definitions. The following definition

1948
01:19:44,719 --> 01:19:46,400
shall apply to this section. Data

1949
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,440
centers defined consistently as follows.

1950
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:52,080
Any facility that primarily contains

1951
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,320
electronic equipment used to process,

1952
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,960
store, or transmit digital information,

1953
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,679
which may be a freestanding structure or

1954
01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:01,679
a facility within a larger structure

1955
01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:03,760
that uses environmental control

1956
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:05,440
equipment to maintain the proper

1957
01:20:05,440 --> 01:20:07,280
conditions for the operation of

1958
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,239
electronic equipment moratorum. During

1959
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:12,880
the effective period of this section, no

1960
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,040
application for the establishment of a

1961
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,840
new data center shall be approved and no

1962
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,080
land use approval or permit authorizing

1963
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,560
the establishment of a new data center

1964
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,760
shall be issued by the city. Exceptions.

1965
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,840
This section shall not apply to existing

1966
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,640
lawful uses. routine maintenance, repair

1967
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,120
or renovation of existing facilities

1968
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,840
development for which vested rights have

1969
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:37,440
been established under applicable

1970
01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:40,239
Indiana law with the exception of new

1971
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:42,560
data center development and the current

1972
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,800
Google data center including each of its

1973
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,679
two phases. the duration and effective

1974
01:20:47,679 --> 01:20:49,920
period. This section uh shall take

1975
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,800
effect upon passage as provided by law

1976
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,040
and shall automatically expire upon the

1977
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,199
effective date of amendments to the

1978
01:20:57,199 --> 01:20:58,960
comprehensive zoning ordinance

1979
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,040
establishing regulations governing data

1980
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,520
center development unless repealed or

1981
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,880
extended by the common council or by

1982
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,159
July 31st 2028. So that is the deadline

1983
01:21:10,159 --> 01:21:11,840
July.

1984
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:16,239
That's all madam president. Thank you.

1985
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:18,960
>> Um before we go any further, um I guess

1986
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:20,159
I'm going to put point of order on

1987
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:22,320
myself. I just want to make sure because

1988
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,880
I don't want there to be any loopholes

1989
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:29,840
that I did not um bring this forth

1990
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,000
correctly. Did I or did I not? Or do the

1991
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,800
clerk needs to and me to reiterate this

1992
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:38,719
was also on second reading by title only

1993
01:21:38,719 --> 01:21:39,440
>> or no?

1994
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:41,280
>> No. This was the this was the amendment

1995
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:42,400
to the agenda.

1996
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:42,880
>> Okay.

1997
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,040
>> That was an amendment to the agenda. Um

1998
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,440
uh Dr. Cora uh provided an overview

1999
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:50,400
because it was added late u and this

2000
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,480
would be first reading for the new this

2001
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:53,199
new matter.

2002
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:53,840
>> Okay.

2003
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:54,960
>> Do you have something that you want to

2004
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:55,600
add to that?

2005
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:55,920
>> No.

2006
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,639
>> Okay.

2007
01:21:58,639 --> 01:22:00,000
>> Thank you. Well, any of the other

2008
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,560
sponsors like to make any comments?

2009
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,400
Councilman Dabney?

2010
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:05,679
>> Yes.

2011
01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:07,199
Um

2012
01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:10,080
and this has come about um you know few

2013
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,560
meetings back I was talking about this

2014
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,639
you know putting a moratorum on and I

2015
01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:17,360
actually said give me a oneline uh

2016
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,360
ordinance here uh but we had to put

2017
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,239
other you know things in there whereases

2018
01:22:22,239 --> 01:22:24,880
and that uh to make this work but we

2019
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,120
have the moratorum once this ordinance

2020
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,840
will be passed that will be in effect um

2021
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,760
and once again it's July 31st 2028 and I

2022
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,639
really am happy about that because this

2023
01:22:36,639 --> 01:22:39,120
gives us a chance and I' I've said this

2024
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,199
a couple of times now. Gives us a chance

2025
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:44,560
to be able to collect real data uh from

2026
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,320
this data center, not something that we

2027
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,400
heard happen in Texas or in Tennessee or

2028
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,320
wherever it may be. We'll be able to get

2029
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,600
real data regarding noise, uh water

2030
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:57,120
usage, energy, and so forth from a data

2031
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:58,719
center right here in Michigan City that

2032
01:22:58,719 --> 01:23:01,760
we can then look at. Um, and we can

2033
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,280
actually see, you know, how good of a

2034
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,520
partner uh Google has been over that

2035
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:09,120
time. Um, so I'm happy about that. As I

2036
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:10,719
said, we I talked about this a few

2037
01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:16,400
meetings ago. So, I'm glad that we're doing this. Um, and I look forward

2038
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,239
to getting this passed and and start to

2039
01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:20,880
move forward. And also, I do know there

2040
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:22,159
were a couple of council members who

2041
01:23:22,159 --> 01:23:26,000
were working on ordinances um in the

2042
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:27,360
background. They had talked to different

2043
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:29,440
attorneys and things of that sort. And

2044
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:31,840
this is not to cut the legs out of what

2045
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:34,080
they were trying to do. There's still

2046
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,719
going to be uh talks and and

2047
01:23:36,719 --> 01:23:38,320
negotiations or whatever you want to

2048
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:39,760
call them uh with the planning

2049
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,199
department. The planning department is

2050
01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:42,560
going to have to come with something at

2051
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,679
some point. So this is not taking away

2052
01:23:45,679 --> 01:23:47,920
um the the process that would be

2053
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,080
happening uh with with the uh the

2054
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:51,440
planning department to get these things

2055
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:53,920
in order. Uh so that still can happen

2056
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:59,520
while this moratorum is on. Um and and I keep I keep saying a moratorum. My

2057
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:00,800
mother would smack me in the face. It's

2058
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:04,480
a moratorum. Uh but once again, it gives

2059
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:07,040
the time for them to put together a true

2060
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:10,639
ordinance. Um maybe some some changes in

2061
01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:11,920
zoning and things of that sort that

2062
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,960
could come along uh with this. But the

2063
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,040
moratorum is going to be put on for a

2064
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,199
certain amount of time. This is like I

2065
01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:21,120
said, nothing can pass here in the city

2066
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,679
of Michigan City. It locks that down.

2067
01:24:23,679 --> 01:24:26,239
But now it offers time to planning and

2068
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:28,000
the people who are like I said who have

2069
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:29,840
already started drawing up ordinances uh

2070
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:33,040
to get this together moving forward.

2071
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,199
Thank you Councilman Dabney. This

2072
01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:37,920
ordinance will now be open for public

2073
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:39,840
comment.

2074
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:43,360
Public comments we ask that you

2075
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:45,440
he will have to wait until it comes back

2076
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:47,840
to the council. It is now open up for

2077
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,960
he's not one of the sponsors on this

2078
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,600
ordinance. Um, public comment is now

2079
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,080
open on this ordinance. We ask that you

2080
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,239
come up to the podium. Please state your

2081
01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:00,080
first and last name and your address,

2082
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,880
please. And you are allowed your three

2083
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,990
minutes.

2084
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,600
All Bolinsky, 1716 Washington Street. I

2085
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,239
uh want to uh bring to the attention of

2086
01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:14,480
all the council members that you're

2087
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:17,600
violating your own rules and the common

2088
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,400
law of the state of Indiana. There is in

2089
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,760
the rules a ordinant has to be filed in

2090
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:26,560
the clerk's office is there's a 72-hour

2091
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,679
rule and in the state law there's a

2092
01:25:29,679 --> 01:25:33,840
96-hour rule. So you shouldn't even be

2093
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:35,840
discussing it at this time cuz it

2094
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:39,120
doesn't meet any of that. So what you're

2095
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,000
doing as far as I'm concerned is

2096
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,199
discussing a ordinance that is illegally

2097
01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:47,520
before you because it was not filed in

2098
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,760
the clerk's office. So if you want to do

2099
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,480
that and ignore your own rules,

2100
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:56,960
everybody here and in

2101
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:58,719
Elco,

2102
01:25:58,719 --> 01:26:02,320
why do we have rules? We have rules for

2103
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,880
order. Thank you.

2104
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:11,350
>> Thank you, Mr. President.

2105
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:13,120
» Hello, council. This is uh Savannah

2106
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:16,320
Lyle, 7676 Mirror Road. Um, I just want

2107
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,560
to say thank you for moving forward and

2108
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:21,760
trying to establish a moratorum. Um, I

2109
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,080
want to say Google had a community event

2110
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,000
here in Michigan City that wasn't

2111
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,960
advertised for in my opinion very well

2112
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:30,400
because when I was there there was not

2113
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,639
very many people there. And when I asked

2114
01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:34,719
Google questions surrounding water usage

2115
01:26:34,719 --> 01:26:37,199
and testing, air quality, considering

2116
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:39,840
the kids at KGER, and whether they would

2117
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,600
publicly post how many of those

2118
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:43,199
positions would be filled by local

2119
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:45,920
residents, I wasn't given any answers.

2120
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:47,520
They took down my information and

2121
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:48,880
promised they would come back to me with

2122
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,120
answers. I still haven't heard anything.

2123
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,920
And furthermore, we've uh now have a

2124
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:56,480
Google page on Facebook if you haven't

2125
01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:58,719
seen it. And there's a lot of rules on

2126
01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:00,000
there about how you're allowed to speak

2127
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:03,679
to Google. And I just don't find it to

2128
01:27:03,679 --> 01:27:05,440
be showcasing what a good neighbor will

2129
01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:07,360
be to us because they haven't answered

2130
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,199
my questions that are very basic.

2131
01:27:09,199 --> 01:27:10,639
They're about the health of the people

2132
01:27:10,639 --> 01:27:12,400
here. It's bad enough that we have to

2133
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,679
deal with coal plants at NIPCO um and

2134
01:27:15,679 --> 01:27:16,960
other things that are affecting our

2135
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,360
health. So, I'm I'm very happy that we

2136
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,120
have something in place to pause until

2137
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,760
we can correctly zone Michigan City so

2138
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:28,159
that we don't make a a a mistake um and

2139
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:29,920
other residents and children have to

2140
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,000
deal with a data center being right next

2141
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:33,520
to them. So, thank you.

2142
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:45,350
>> Thank you.

2143
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,000
» Hello. Uh my name is Johannes Pulard,

2144
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,639
205 Shadow Trail, Michigan Shores,

2145
01:27:50,639 --> 01:27:52,719
Indiana. Uh [clears throat]

2146
01:27:52,719 --> 01:27:54,719
I'm very glad to hear about the passing

2147
01:27:54,719 --> 01:27:57,520
of this moratorum. It's time for it's a

2148
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,239
need for it. Uh but I have a very

2149
01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:05,280
serious question. Uh why is it that the

2150
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:09,840
city council members had to sign an NDA

2151
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,719
for these uh data centers?

2152
01:28:12,719 --> 01:28:15,840
What is there that's kept secret?

2153
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,040
Because from what I understand, an NDA

2154
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:22,480
is a non-disclosure agreement. And as

2155
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:24,320
public servants,

2156
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:27,520
why what what is Google or any of these

2157
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:29,679
other companies with these data centers,

2158
01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:41,510
what are they trying to hide? Thank you.

2159
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:44,480
» Dominic Yankee, 904 Willow Spring Drive.

2160
01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:45,920
I am in favor of a data center

2161
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:47,600
moratorium. Data centers should not be

2162
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,120
close to residential neighborhoods due

2163
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:50,639
to air pollution and noise concerns,

2164
01:28:50,639 --> 01:28:52,080
especially as Michigan City already has

2165
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:53,600
a failing grade in air quality due to

2166
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:55,360
other industrial polluters. This

2167
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,040
ordinance is a step towards temporarily

2168
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:58,239
protecting those with existing

2169
01:28:58,239 --> 01:28:59,760
respiratory conditions from other data

2170
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,199
centers moving to Michigan City and

2171
01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:02,800
releasing harmful emissions.

2172
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:04,239
Furthermore, this moratorium would give

2173
01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:06,080
us a reprieve from other data centers

2174
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:07,520
flagrantly violating the city's

2175
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:09,360
vegetation ordinance that prohibits

2176
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:10,960
weeds, grass, and rink vegetation in

2177
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,040
excess of 6 in. This was brought to

2178
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:14,560
vector controls attention August 28th

2179
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:15,840
and the mayor's attention on September

2180
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,320
18th. On September 21st, both of them

2181
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:19,760
reached out to Phoenix to bring their

2182
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:20,960
property into compliance more than two

2183
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:22,560
weeks later. As of this morning, a burm

2184
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:23,760
on the property still does not comply

2185
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:25,600
with city ordinance and daily fines

2186
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,199
still remain to be levied. I was

2187
01:29:27,199 --> 01:29:28,800
blindsided by this ordinance as it

2188
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,040
wasn't listed on the online agenda under

2189
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:34,560
article 2 common council section 2-57

2190
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,120
procedure for ordinance enactment

2191
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,520
B. No ordinance or resolution shall be

2192
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,040
introduced unless the requirements of

2193
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:44,400
council resolution number 4365 as

2194
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,239
amended have been fulfilled and unless a

2195
01:29:46,239 --> 01:29:48,000
copy has been delivered via electronic

2196
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,679
mail to the email address of each

2197
01:29:49,679 --> 01:29:52,560
council member at least 96 hours prior

2198
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,639
to the meeting. So I am left wondering

2199
01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:56,400
if all council members had been emailed

2200
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,800
this ordinance by Friday, October 2nd at

2201
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:00,480
6:30 p.m. to comply with this

2202
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:12,629
requirement. Thank you for your time.

2203
01:30:12,639 --> 01:30:15,600
Matthew Hoskins, 7676 Mir Road, Michigan

2204
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:18,800
City, Indiana. Um, I I also appreciate

2205
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:20,480
you guys taking a look at doing this,

2206
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:23,840
pausing it. My main concern is the air

2207
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:25,840
pollution. Unless you've been in an

2208
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,239
industrial environment and seen the size

2209
01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:30,480
of the diesel generators that they're

2210
01:30:30,480 --> 01:30:32,320
going to test and run, you don't

2211
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:35,040
comprehend the amount of pollution that

2212
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:36,639
is going to affect Michigan City. What

2213
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:39,360
I'm going to ask is as a city, and I

2214
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:40,639
don't know how it's tracked. I don't

2215
01:30:40,639 --> 01:30:41,920
know how we keep track of it, but we

2216
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:44,560
keep the pressure on Google that if they

2217
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:46,719
do start to run their diesel generators

2218
01:30:46,719 --> 01:30:49,199
more than they have told us, we have to

2219
01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:51,120
step up and we have to confront them and

2220
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:55,199
hold them accountable because it's um

2221
01:30:55,199 --> 01:30:56,880
the size of them, which I've looked at

2222
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,440
and I work in industrial environment. Um

2223
01:30:59,440 --> 01:31:02,080
your normal citizen doesn't understand

2224
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,320
how much air pollution one of those

2225
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,080
diesel generators put out. It's not a

2226
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:14,390
house generator. All right. Thank you.

2227
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,560
Can I take the one that we have online,

2228
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:19,280
please? Miss Williams. Yeah, thank you

2229
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:21,440
so much, Tracy. Ashley Williams, 401

2230
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:23,040
First Street. I just want to be clear, I

2231
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,360
strongly support a meaningful data

2232
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:27,280
center moratorum, but not this ordinance

2233
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,360
as written. Uh, I have followed this

2234
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:30,960
process from the very beginning and

2235
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:32,639
tonight a mortorium came down that was

2236
01:31:32,639 --> 01:31:34,880
never placed on the agenda. no resident

2237
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:36,880
knew, not that people have shown up ever

2238
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:38,800
at every meeting uh in support of a

2239
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:40,480
moratorum. And I I think that this is

2240
01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:41,600
really the furthest thing from

2241
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:43,760
transparency. And like my neighbors, I

2242
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,360
also question the legality of how this

2243
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:47,360
was introduced. Uh this mortorium

2244
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:49,199
expires the moment the city passes its

2245
01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:50,880
own amendments to the zoning ordinance.

2246
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:52,239
The very amendments the planning

2247
01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:53,520
department has been working on all

2248
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,480
along. um it pauses just long enough to

2249
01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:58,239
create an illusion of action while the

2250
01:31:58,239 --> 01:32:00,400
planning department skates in an M3 data

2251
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,560
center zoning district that we know we

2252
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,560
it's been working on behind the scenes

2253
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:06,480
without public knowledge or input up

2254
01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:09,440
till this point. So I am demanding a

2255
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:11,199
moratorium language with teeth, not one

2256
01:32:11,199 --> 01:32:13,280
that shields Google and further

2257
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:14,560
expansion when they've already

2258
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:15,679
demonstrated they're not a good

2259
01:32:15,679 --> 01:32:19,040
neighbor. uh just read subsection D4 of

2260
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:20,719
what is right in front of you tonight

2261
01:32:20,719 --> 01:32:22,560
exempts and I'm quoting the current

2262
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,400
Google data center including each of its

2263
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:26,800
two phases two phases the first

2264
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:28,320
mentioned from this council or any of

2265
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:30,800
the city on the second building uh that

2266
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:32,560
shows up right there in the moratorum

2267
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:34,800
that is supposed to protect us from it

2268
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:36,880
uh we the people have been educating our

2269
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:38,800
communities about buildings one and two

2270
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:40,400
while the majority of this council has

2271
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:41,920
been absent and built brick walls

2272
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:43,520
whenever any of us have brought up about

2273
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:45,360
the data center and there is no mention

2274
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,120
of of the fact that Google's attempting

2275
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,120
to double its diesel generator fleet.

2276
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:50,800
So, I'm asking that the council amend

2277
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:52,159
the ordinance tonight by striking

2278
01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:55,280
subsection D4 in its entirety. I ask

2279
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:56,880
that you make immediate amendments to

2280
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:58,480
place a moratorum in effect for a full

2281
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:00,719
year regardless of the timing of a city

2282
01:33:00,719 --> 01:33:02,800
or uh rather ordinance being written

2283
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:04,719
behind closed doors to allow for public

2284
01:33:04,719 --> 01:33:06,719
input and to ensure our community is

2285
01:33:06,719 --> 01:33:08,639
kept safe from this predatory and

2286
01:33:08,639 --> 01:33:10,880
energyintensive industry. As we know,

2287
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:12,800
our own utilities under investigation

2288
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,199
for prolonged outages due to neglect and

2289
01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:17,199
layoffs and has experienced a risky and

2290
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:19,920
concerning volume of data center growth.

2291
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:21,840
If this council is unwilling to do that

2292
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:23,679
on the floor, then hold the ordinance to

2293
01:33:23,679 --> 01:33:25,920
next month so that every council and the

2294
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:28,320
public can read what is actually in it.

2295
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:30,800
Thank you so much for your time.

2296
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:36,870
>> Thank you, Miss.

2297
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:38,560
» Madam President, if I could, unless

2298
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:40,880
there's other public comment. Yes. Um,

2299
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:43,040
are there any other public comments on

2300
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:46,560
We have one. Yes.

2301
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:50,239
>> Amy Lysinski, 104 Mayfield Drive. I'm

2302
01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:52,000
It's getting very confusing how

2303
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,080
something so simple and as we talked

2304
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:55,360
about, it looked like everybody was for

2305
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:57,920
the moratorium has become so difficult.

2306
01:33:57,920 --> 01:33:59,280
Uh, I've been attending these meetings

2307
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:01,520
for a long time. I have not ever really

2308
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,600
seen where an amendment was added of an

2309
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:05,440
ordinance where it's not been like

2310
01:34:05,440 --> 01:34:07,679
advertised before. I think a big thing

2311
01:34:07,679 --> 01:34:09,520
that like I would be concerned with or

2312
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:12,000
not is I really hope that Nancy and Joe

2313
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,320
were included because this is something

2314
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,000
I think that was very meaningful to

2315
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,159
them. They were our two powerful no

2316
01:34:18,159 --> 01:34:20,719
votes. So I would hate to see that other

2317
01:34:20,719 --> 01:34:22,320
people are trying to like jump in here.

2318
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:25,040
I want a clean one. I've stressed that

2319
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,360
but I little bit confused. I haven't got

2320
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:29,440
to see this to know what's going on yet.

2321
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:31,040
Um, I think I wrote down where you were

2322
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,280
talking about exceptions. And with the

2323
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:34,960
exceptions, I think you said something

2324
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,040
about existing buildings. You guys know

2325
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,679
I've been all about the variance letter.

2326
01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:41,199
That variance letter allowed something

2327
01:34:41,199 --> 01:34:44,400
to go into an existing building without

2328
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:47,760
the research. So, that's where I that

2329
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:49,280
part and I haven't looked at it. I got

2330
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,040
to look at it more, but that was a quick

2331
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:53,040
trigger to me that I think that needed

2332
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:54,800
to be looked at a little bit more. I do

2333
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:56,480
want to know because at the last meeting

2334
01:34:56,480 --> 01:34:58,400
it came down to did it need to be

2335
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,080
resolution or an ordinance. So do we

2336
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:01,840
have that cleared up because I thought

2337
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,080
we tabled to possibly come back with a

2338
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:06,159
resolution. So just clarifying that that

2339
01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:08,000
would be great. And I think a big thing

2340
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,000
too is from what I have researched and I

2341
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,080
could be completely wrong but I thought

2342
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:13,600
with the moratorium when it changes the

2343
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,760
zoning law we have to have also maybe a

2344
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,719
hearing at the planning department. So

2345
01:35:18,719 --> 01:35:21,199
is that going to be happening before the

2346
01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:22,960
third reading? like where does that come

2347
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:24,639
in into the play of passing this

2348
01:35:24,639 --> 01:35:25,920
ordinance in the next three readings

2349
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:27,120
because I want to make sure this has

2350
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,199
legal standing because I do support

2351
01:35:29,199 --> 01:35:32,639
putting this in place. Um I'll stop

2352
01:35:32,639 --> 01:35:33,600
there and I'll save some of the others

2353
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:35,440
for later. So, thank you.

2354
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:47,430
>> Thank you.

2355
01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:50,159
» All right. All right. All right. Uh

2356
01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:53,360
Steve Coyle, 2015 Oral Trail, Long

2357
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,000
Beach, Indiana. Uh I support the

2358
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:59,040
moratorum. Thank you so much. Um this

2359
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:03,040
moratorum will give us an opportunity

2360
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:07,120
to develop a worst case scenario.

2361
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:09,360
Uh as we go through life, we all plan

2362
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:11,679
for worst case scenarios. A house fire,

2363
01:36:11,679 --> 01:36:14,320
a tornado, the loss of the job. We buy

2364
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:17,040
insurance. We make plans. We don't wait

2365
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,360
for the worst day to start thinking

2366
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,840
about it. So tonight, I asked the

2367
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:23,760
council, are we prepared for a data

2368
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,480
center worst case scenario?

2369
01:36:26,480 --> 01:36:29,280
Specifically, what happens if the diesel

2370
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,840
storage tanks fail cat fail

2371
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,000
catastrophically and there is a

2372
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,880
large-scale tank fire, a ruptured

2373
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:40,080
containment spill, or a vapor ignition

2374
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:41,679
event?

2375
01:36:41,679 --> 01:36:43,520
Did the council know that there were

2376
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:47,679
going to be 135 storage tanks containing

2377
01:36:47,679 --> 01:36:50,960
over 725,000

2378
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:55,189
gallons of diesel fuel.

2379
01:36:55,199 --> 01:36:58,960
Um maybe it was hidden in the NDA,

2380
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:02,159
maybe it was hidden in the agreement

2381
01:37:02,159 --> 01:37:04,080
um under the line that you know

2382
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:06,800
basically project maze is a data center

2383
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,920
campus to include without limitation one

2384
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:11,920
or more data center buildings as well as

2385
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:13,520
certain other building structures and

2386
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,600
infrastructure that are necessary in

2387
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:18,800
support of the foregoing use. So, what

2388
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:21,679
happens when 725,000

2389
01:37:21,679 --> 01:37:25,040
gallons of diesel fuel catches fire?

2390
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:27,920
There is going to be a massive fireball

2391
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:31,199
and thermal radiation. Toxic smoke will

2392
01:37:31,199 --> 01:37:33,920
endanger anyone with asthma, COPD, or

2393
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:37,280
heart condition. Over pressure waves

2394
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:39,360
will shatter nearly all windows and

2395
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:42,639
glass within a half a mile of the data

2396
01:37:42,639 --> 01:37:45,760
center. A half a mile. That's Kger

2397
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:47,840
Middle School.

2398
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:50,239
Okay, you can Google it. What happens

2399
01:37:50,239 --> 01:37:52,880
when 725,000

2400
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:56,159
gallons of diesel full fuel blows up?

2401
01:37:56,159 --> 01:38:00,080
Okay, so we just suffered a delo and

2402
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:03,199
watch NIPS go fail. Its own worst case

2403
01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:06,000
scenario plans. That is our evidence.

2404
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:07,920
That is not speculation. That is the

2405
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,159
city's own recent history.

2406
01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:12,320
Unfortunately, storms are becoming more

2407
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:14,400
frequent. So, when the next storm hits

2408
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,480
and the power fails, how will the data

2409
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:18,960
center hold up? Will the diesel tanks

2410
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,520
handle the stress? And if not, are we

2411
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,400
prepared for the worst case scenario?

2412
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:25,920
Does the fire department have the

2413
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:27,840
equipment, training, and manpower to

2414
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:29,920
respond to a fuel tank fire of this

2415
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:33,520
scale? What does a diesel spill do to

2416
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:35,760
our water table?

2417
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:39,199
What would an eval evacuation plan look

2418
01:38:39,199 --> 01:38:42,000
like with a Kreger Middle School and

2419
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:45,360
Paladin Head Start inside it?

2420
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:47,760
We cannot wait until building number one

2421
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:52,320
is completed. We need to act now. We

2422
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:54,480
need to consider pausing construction on

2423
01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:57,360
building number two until these safety

2424
01:38:57,360 --> 01:38:59,679
issues are properly addressed. Thank

2425
01:38:59,679 --> 01:39:10,790
you.

2426
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:12,400
Greetings. My name is Elellanar

2427
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:16,239
Charlton, 122 North Calumet A. Um, I'm

2428
01:39:16,239 --> 01:39:18,800
going to kind of dovetail on what my

2429
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:22,239
predecessor just said. Generators,

2430
01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:25,199
that's a lot of generators.

2431
01:39:25,199 --> 01:39:27,600
The smoke coming out of those, if you

2432
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:29,520
have asthma, if you have friends that

2433
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:32,000
have asthma, give it up. when they're

2434
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,159
going, they will be in the hospital.

2435
01:39:34,159 --> 01:39:36,960
They will be in the ER because it's

2436
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:39,920
horrible.

2437
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:43,280
You guys had a storm. I don't mean to be

2438
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:46,560
rude. I know it was bad, but it wasn't

2439
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:48,719
really bad. If you want to see bad, look

2440
01:39:48,719 --> 01:39:51,760
at April 11th, 2011. I was living in

2441
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:55,280
Alabama at the time. I spent 46 hours in

2442
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:59,360
a hospital ER working because we had

2443
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:02,159
F4s, F5s.

2444
01:40:02,159 --> 01:40:04,239
300 people died. Thousands of people

2445
01:40:04,239 --> 01:40:08,480
were injured. It was terrible.

2446
01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:11,920
Imagine that here. Imagine just two F5s

2447
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:14,400
here. And your infrastructure couldn't

2448
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:17,679
handle high winds. Bad high winds, I

2449
01:40:17,679 --> 01:40:21,280
grant you. But what's NIPCO going to do

2450
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,600
when there's a power failure at that

2451
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:25,520
plant? Do you think Michigan City's

2452
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,000
going to get power back? And if so, at

2453
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,400
what rate? And I'll tell you a really

2454
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:32,320
horrifying story about your little storm

2455
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:34,400
that you did have. The thing that really

2456
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:38,080
buzzed me was I was working and you know

2457
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:41,360
what? We didn't have diesel. We didn't

2458
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:44,639
have any backup diesel.

2459
01:40:44,639 --> 01:40:47,760
Think about that. I work at a hospital

2460
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:50,639
and we had to unplug everything that

2461
01:40:50,639 --> 01:40:54,080
wasn't mandatory because we didn't have

2462
01:40:54,080 --> 01:41:04,950
backup diesel. But feed for thought.

2463
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:07,040
U my name is Cooper Lyles and I just

2464
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:08,560
want to say I want to get rid of data

2465
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:12,159
centers cuz it's bad for our kids uh

2466
01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:19,990
future.

2467
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,639
this. Yes. Thank you. First of all, I

2468
01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:24,880
want to thank the council members. Uh I

2469
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:26,560
live in Long Beach, Indiana, among the

2470
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:29,760
millionaires of which I'm not one. And I

2471
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,000
just want to say a few things. Now, I I

2472
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:33,760
don't Women aren't supposed to say their

2473
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:37,040
age, but I just turned 74. Okay? And

2474
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:39,760
well, thank you. I'm still alive. And

2475
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:44,159
so, uh, I just took over, uh, a very

2476
01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:45,840
important job. We do investigative

2477
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:47,119
reporting. It's called Who's Your

2478
01:41:47,119 --> 01:41:49,679
Inquirer Lucas out of Indianapolis. And

2479
01:41:49,679 --> 01:41:51,920
I just became CEO and president of the

2480
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:54,000
board. So, Dr. Corey, you can call me

2481
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,159
Madame President. All right. Wonderful

2482
01:41:56,159 --> 01:41:58,639
doctor. So, anyway, I just want to say

2483
01:41:58,639 --> 01:42:01,920
to you that I came here in 1956 when I

2484
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:05,119
was 3 years old. My father was the um,

2485
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:07,440
head of Barnes & Noble. Mr. Barnes and

2486
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:09,040
Mr. Noble have been to my house only

2487
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:10,639
because my mother was dying of cancer.

2488
01:42:10,639 --> 01:42:12,639
They came to support us. But I'm telling

2489
01:42:12,639 --> 01:42:14,800
you this because my brother who is 6

2490
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,119
years older than me and has since uh

2491
01:42:17,119 --> 01:42:20,159
lives in heaven. Um he worked for Royal

2492
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:22,400
Medal. He got a job out of high school

2493
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:24,719
when he graduated from Marquette in

2494
01:42:24,719 --> 01:42:26,239
1961.

2495
01:42:26,239 --> 01:42:28,560
And that's where the data center is.

2496
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,840
That's the old Royal Medal uh facility.

2497
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:34,239
You probably know this, right? Well,

2498
01:42:34,239 --> 01:42:36,320
I've been doing a deep dive because I

2499
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:38,080
remember going to pick up my brother

2500
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:40,719
with my parents after work. There's a

2501
01:42:40,719 --> 01:42:42,960
lot of stuff in the ground under Royal

2502
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:45,360
Medal. You know what I'm talking about.

2503
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:47,280
So, that's the first concern I have is

2504
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:48,960
what's really under there and what's

2505
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:51,119
going to be seeping to the poor people

2506
01:42:51,119 --> 01:42:53,520
across the street, some of who I know

2507
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,320
who came here to retire in a very, you

2508
01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:59,119
know, nice community among the trees and

2509
01:42:59,119 --> 01:43:01,119
the deer and everything else. And

2510
01:43:01,119 --> 01:43:03,360
they're like horrified. I don't blame

2511
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:05,520
them. If they moved across the street

2512
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:07,520
from my house, I'd be horrified, too.

2513
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:09,440
The second thing I wanted to ask you to

2514
01:43:09,440 --> 01:43:11,600
think about, and I went to that big big

2515
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:13,360
meeting, did anybody else go who was at

2516
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:16,000
the uh Michigan City High School?

2517
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,880
Remember that? Um where they wanted our

2518
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:20,159
feedback. They came up from

2519
01:43:20,159 --> 01:43:23,040
Indianapolis. I got up and I asked them,

2520
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:26,880
"What about my NIPCO bill? [gasps] I

2521
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:29,040
can't even concentrate on what it's

2522
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,119
going to be after the storm, but the

2523
01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:33,280
bills are going way up. You know this.

2524
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:35,440
So, what are we going to do about that?

2525
01:43:35,440 --> 01:43:38,639
I don't think I can't afford, you know,

2526
01:43:38,639 --> 01:43:42,480
$500 a month in the summer and a,000 in

2527
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:44,159
the winter, which I just got, and it's

2528
01:43:44,159 --> 01:43:46,400
only me and three cats. So, what am I

2529
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:48,480
supposed to do about that? And what is

2530
01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:50,560
our community supposed to do about the

2531
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:53,600
bills that are really rising high from

2532
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,880
allegedly the uh center? So I'm just

2533
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,280
asking you to look into that when you

2534
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:01,760
start to, you know, focus on the data

2535
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:04,480
center and what is going to happen next.

2536
01:44:04,480 --> 01:44:07,040
So um please think about it and thank

2537
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:08,800
you for the work you do and thank you to

2538
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:12,639
the mayor for uh fighting towards this

2539
01:44:12,639 --> 01:44:14,719
goal. I know that she is into the police

2540
01:44:14,719 --> 01:44:16,639
and the fire department. Thank you also.

2541
01:44:16,639 --> 01:44:18,480
>> Thank you, Miss.

2542
01:44:18,480 --> 01:44:20,480
This is the last call for public

2543
01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:23,510
comments.

2544
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:28,149
This will be our last public comment.

2545
01:44:28,159 --> 01:44:30,480
Hello, my name is Wayne Rifle, 4210 East

2546
01:44:30,480 --> 01:44:32,960
Michigan Boulevard. Uh, I looked into

2547
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:34,719
the data center and one of the things

2548
01:44:34,719 --> 01:44:37,440
that I found that their generator

2549
01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:40,239
capacity, it's it's a really large

2550
01:44:40,239 --> 01:44:43,040
capacity for their diesel and uh they're

2551
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:44,719
going to be supplying pretty much their

2552
01:44:44,719 --> 01:44:47,280
own infrastructure for that as far as

2553
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:49,840
fuel goes. But you got a bigger problem

2554
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:50,880
with that because they're not going to

2555
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:53,119
use duel. They're going to use

2556
01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:56,239
non-duelue, which they'll supply and you

2557
01:44:56,239 --> 01:44:58,400
won't be able to trace it back along

2558
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:00,960
with uh there's no disclosure of what

2559
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:03,199
they're going to uh what you guys have

2560
01:45:03,199 --> 01:45:05,440
made with in regards to the sewage plant

2561
01:45:05,440 --> 01:45:07,520
that they're going to pump their their

2562
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:10,239
waste water out of. Okay. What that's

2563
01:45:10,239 --> 01:45:11,840
going to do to the lake when you pump it

2564
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:13,600
back in or whether you're even cap

2565
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:15,520
capable of getting rid of the PAS that's

2566
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:17,600
going to come out of there. So along

2567
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:19,280
with that and then there's your your

2568
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:22,239
flock camera issue which uh I do happen

2569
01:45:22,239 --> 01:45:25,520
to have some uh court cases here that

2570
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:27,679
say that specifically that not

2571
01:45:27,679 --> 01:45:29,760
>> Mr. Rice this is strictly

2572
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:32,320
>> yes but I can mention what I need to

2573
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:35,199
mention but that you can um address that

2574
01:45:35,199 --> 01:45:37,760
under public comment or when we get to

2575
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:39,280
>> Oh so you're going to go further into

2576
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:40,800
that

2577
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:43,119
>> to for for public comment for that.

2578
01:45:43,119 --> 01:45:43,440
>> Yes.

2579
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:45,600
>> Okay. I just want to make sure. Okay. As

2580
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:47,440
far as Google goes, they're a lot of the

2581
01:45:47,440 --> 01:45:48,960
data that they're collecting in the

2582
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:51,199
local area with their infrastructure,

2583
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:53,119
they're selling that data. That would

2584
01:45:53,119 --> 01:45:55,360
include the the flock data that goes

2585
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:56,960
with it that they're going they got a

2586
01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:59,920
contract to store. So when that comes

2587
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:02,159
through, your image and likeness is

2588
01:46:02,159 --> 01:46:05,199
being sold. Okay? So you might end up on

2589
01:46:05,199 --> 01:46:07,840
a herpes commercial. Okay? And it's

2590
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:09,440
going to be splattered all over Google's

2591
01:46:09,440 --> 01:46:12,880
main website. So or your kids same way.

2592
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:14,400
So that's something you got to consider

2593
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:16,320
on what what what's been done with the

2594
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:18,880
data center itself from each local area

2595
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:21,600
it picks up from. Uh in a way it's

2596
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:23,040
better that it's here in the United

2597
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:25,040
States because then you can control the

2598
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:28,400
data you can regulate it but unfortunate

2599
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:30,960
part is it's here now.

2600
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:31,760
Thank you.

2601
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:33,679
>> Thank you Mr. Lizel.

2602
01:46:33,679 --> 01:46:36,080
>> Public comments are now told attorney

2603
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:36,800
Harris.

2604
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:39,440
>> Yes. Um so I just want to provide some

2605
01:46:39,440 --> 01:46:41,760
clarification as to what it is we're

2606
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:44,239
doing with the proposed ordinance on the

2607
01:46:44,239 --> 01:46:46,800
temporary moratorum. Uh the sponsors of

2608
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:49,280
this ordinance uh requested an amendment

2609
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:50,639
to the agenda so that this could be

2610
01:46:50,639 --> 01:46:53,119
added and that was approved. Um once

2611
01:46:53,119 --> 01:46:54,800
it's added to the agenda, a discussion

2612
01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:56,320
can be had which we've had public

2613
01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:58,239
comment on it and there's no issue with

2614
01:46:58,239 --> 01:47:00,719
doing that. It's a separate issue as to

2615
01:47:00,719 --> 01:47:02,400
what the process is for enacting the

2616
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:04,960
ordinance. And uh one of the speakers

2617
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:08,719
did mention um section 2- uh 57 of our

2618
01:47:08,719 --> 01:47:10,480
city code entitled procedure for

2619
01:47:10,480 --> 01:47:12,639
ordinance enactment. And it does require

2620
01:47:12,639 --> 01:47:15,440
a 96-hour prior notice of the ordinance

2621
01:47:15,440 --> 01:47:17,920
before it starts the enactment process.

2622
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:19,440
I think the sponsors wanted to make sure

2623
01:47:19,440 --> 01:47:21,920
that the public was aware that this this

2624
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:24,880
process for this particular version of a

2625
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:27,840
moratorum ordinance um has started. the

2626
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:29,679
work has started of drafting it. It's

2627
01:47:29,679 --> 01:47:32,080
been made available or read aloud during

2628
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:34,080
this meeting, but it wouldn't advance to

2629
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:35,760
second reading at the next meeting.

2630
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:37,119
There would still be a requirement

2631
01:47:37,119 --> 01:47:38,880
pursuant to the enactment requirements

2632
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:41,520
that it have a formal first reading at

2633
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:43,520
our next meeting. But instead of waiting

2634
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:44,960
until that next meeting to let the

2635
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:47,840
public know that there is this proposed

2636
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:50,239
uh temporary moratorum was added to the

2637
01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:52,400
agenda and read aloud at this meeting

2638
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:54,400
for transparency. So, I just want to

2639
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,560
make sure, Madam President, I think your

2640
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:58,560
instruction would be that this matter be

2641
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:00,159
heard on first reading at the next

2642
01:48:00,159 --> 01:48:02,560
meeting for formal enactment.

2643
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:05,440
>> Thank you.

2644
01:48:05,440 --> 01:48:08,560
>> Are there any comments from the council?

2645
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:10,320
>> Yeah, Madame President, I'd like to be

2646
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:13,119
added as a co-sponsor.

2647
01:48:13,119 --> 01:48:14,320
>> Madam President, I'd also like to be

2648
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:15,440
added as a co-sponsor.

2649
01:48:15,440 --> 01:48:16,960
>> Are there any other council members that

2650
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:18,080
would like to be added?

2651
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:19,600
>> Yes, Madam President, I'd like to be

2652
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:21,600
added as a co-sponsor.

2653
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:24,239
>> I'd like to be added also. Councilman

2654
01:48:24,239 --> 01:48:26,880
Nelson,

2655
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:29,679
>> in reference to um what we're talking

2656
01:48:29,679 --> 01:48:31,840
about,

2657
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:33,840
Dr. Kora,

2658
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:36,639
I've spoken to you in reference to the

2659
01:48:36,639 --> 01:48:38,320
moratorum.

2660
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:40,960
So, for you to like bring this forth to

2661
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:43,360
the public or however it is is

2662
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:45,920
disingenuous. You didn't speak to me or

2663
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:48,880
Nancy in reference to this. Like, it's

2664
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:51,280
undermining what we've done. Like I

2665
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:54,320
worked my ass off all summer for this.

2666
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:55,679
So for you to come,

2667
01:48:55,679 --> 01:48:57,840
>> Mr. Nelson, your language.

2668
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:00,719
>> Excuse my language. I work my butt off

2669
01:49:00,719 --> 01:49:03,760
for this. Me and Nancy and a lot of good

2670
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:06,800
people. So for you to come in and swoop

2671
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:08,880
and do this and not speak to me or Nancy

2672
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:12,560
about this, I do not appreciate that

2673
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:18,310
and I want that to be known publicly.

2674
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:20,480
Are there any other comments from the

2675
01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:22,000
council?

2676
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:24,239
Madame clerk, I would like to add this

2677
01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:26,480
to

2678
01:49:26,480 --> 01:49:28,400
Oh,

2679
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:32,950
Councilwoman Moldenhower.

2680
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:35,600
» Um, thank you, Madam President. Um, I

2681
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:38,320
just want to go on record that I was not

2682
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:40,719
included any discussion regarding this

2683
01:49:40,719 --> 01:49:43,920
new ordinance either. And, um, that's

2684
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:46,800
why I voted nay before

2685
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:49,440
um that

2686
01:49:49,440 --> 01:49:52,239
>> I'm not hurt by this personally, but I

2687
01:49:52,239 --> 01:49:54,880
think it's a matter of procedure

2688
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:57,199
that when our council is working on

2689
01:49:57,199 --> 01:49:59,520
something, I hope that everybody's

2690
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:02,239
included that has been a part of what's

2691
01:50:02,239 --> 01:50:05,199
been done up until this point in time.

2692
01:50:05,199 --> 01:50:07,360
And I have no further comment on this.

2693
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:08,080
Thank you.

2694
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:09,600
>> Thank you, Councilwoman Moldenau.

2695
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:17,750
Councilman Dabney

2696
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:22,320
» and I would like to add um in regard to

2697
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:24,719
the comments that were made there. Um he

2698
01:50:24,719 --> 01:50:25,920
said that we would have liked to have

2699
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:27,920
been included

2700
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:30,159
um in the process. U I would have liked

2701
01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:32,159
to have been included when you guys

2702
01:50:32,159 --> 01:50:36,159
started meeting with lawyers before. Um

2703
01:50:36,159 --> 01:50:38,159
>> you never want you voted against the

2704
01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:43,600
moratorum. You know the you know let him holler. Let him holler. Let him

2705
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:47,440
holler you order. Council Nelson.

2706
01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:49,040
>> I'll shut that down.

2707
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:52,000
>> Councilman Dabney Councilman's we and

2708
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:54,639
women. We will not have that type of

2709
01:50:54,639 --> 01:50:57,440
behavior sitting up here with each

2710
01:50:57,440 --> 01:51:00,639
other. Not at all. So please respect

2711
01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:02,239
each other as you will want someone to

2712
01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:04,000
respect you sitting up here.

2713
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:07,840
>> All right. So what about a month ago?

2714
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:09,520
What? Over a month ago is when I had

2715
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:11,760
>> three months ago.

2716
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:14,000
>> I'm sorry.

2717
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:16,560
>> Three months ago. I've been working on

2718
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:16,800
this.

2719
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:18,080
>> Let him let him No, let him go. Let him

2720
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:18,800
go.

2721
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:20,800
>> Then Nancy been working on the moratorum

2722
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:29,590
system.

2723
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:31,440
» But you want a data center. Why would I

2724
01:51:31,440 --> 01:51:34,159
include you in

2725
01:51:34,159 --> 01:51:36,400
>> With all due respect, Councilman Nelson,

2726
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:38,800
I have had requested to have you muted.

2727
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:41,840
We are not doing this here

2728
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:43,040
either. We're going to have a

2729
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:45,280
conversation in regards to this specific

2730
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:48,080
order ordinance that is before us.

2731
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:51,430
>> Respect.

2732
01:51:51,440 --> 01:51:53,679
» And again, those are personal

2733
01:51:53,679 --> 01:51:55,520
conversations you can have after the

2734
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:57,599
meeting or over a phone call or in

2735
01:51:57,599 --> 01:52:00,719
person, but not here.

2736
01:52:00,719 --> 01:52:04,400
So if council still have

2737
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:08,400
comments regarding the ordinance,

2738
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:10,960
then let's have that conversation. We

2739
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:13,599
will debate what's in the ordinance, not

2740
01:52:13,599 --> 01:52:18,870
how we derived at the ordinance.

2741
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:21,992
If there is no other comments,

2742
01:52:21,992 --> 01:52:23,119
[clears throat]

2743
01:52:23,119 --> 01:52:24,960
I would like to request that this

2744
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:26,880
ordinance that is on first reading be

2745
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:29,360
added to the council agenda.

2746
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:33,840
um for our next council meeting.

2747
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:35,760
>> Madame President,

2748
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:37,840
may I request may I request a fivem

2749
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:40,159
minute race? Yes.

2750
01:52:40,159 --> 01:52:41,920
>> All those in favor for a fivem minute

2751
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:42,719
recess?

2752
01:52:42,719 --> 01:52:46,960
>> I any naysay? There are none. 5 minutes.

2753
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:51,920
We'll be back at 8:30 p.m.

2754
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:55,760
Welcome back. We are still in

2755
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:59,760
the Michigan City Council meeting. We

2756
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:02,800
will return back to our scheduled

2757
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:04,880
agenda.

2758
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:08,400
And next we are on resolutions.

2759
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:15,109
Wait.

2760
01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:16,719
» Oh.

2761
01:53:16,719 --> 01:53:19,760
Yes. Madame clerk, if you would please.

2762
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:21,840
Our

2763
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:25,350
next ordinance

2764
01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:28,960
re regarding flock on second reading. An

2765
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:30,960
ordinance on second reading by title

2766
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:32,880
only approving additional appropriation

2767
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:34,880
in the budget of the rainy day fund for

2768
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:36,960
limited use of the flock camera system

2769
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:39,040
for the Michigan City Police Department.

2770
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:40,960
And this is introduced by Mr. Dabney,

2771
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:43,360
Mr. President Bolinsky, Dr. Gora, and

2772
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:45,520
Mr. Coulter.

2773
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:47,599
>> And would the sponsors like to make any

2774
01:53:47,599 --> 01:53:49,679
comments? Right.

2775
01:53:49,679 --> 01:53:51,440
>> Yeah.

2776
01:53:51,440 --> 01:53:52,880
>> Madam President, I would like to

2777
01:53:52,880 --> 01:54:01,990
withdraw my support for this ordinance.

2778
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:04,400
» Dr.

2779
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:06,800
Madam President, and after listening to

2780
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:08,560
the feedback I've gotten from my

2781
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:11,679
constituents and seeing that the company

2782
01:54:11,679 --> 01:54:15,599
itself that manufactures block systems,

2783
01:54:15,599 --> 01:54:18,800
uh they are uh making some changes. Um

2784
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:20,960
and in response to the public feedback

2785
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:22,800
and the possibility that even Congress

2786
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:25,920
may get involved with this um I feel

2787
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:27,679
that this is not the right time to

2788
01:54:27,679 --> 01:54:31,360
expand uh the flock program. Uh we'll

2789
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:33,760
just stick with what we currently have.

2790
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:36,239
So I would like to also drop my

2791
01:54:36,239 --> 01:54:41,109
sponsorship

2792
01:54:41,119 --> 01:54:43,119
» for

2793
01:54:43,119 --> 01:54:45,119
allow us to get through. I'd like to

2794
01:54:45,119 --> 01:54:47,360
drop my sponsorship for the expansion of

2795
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:48,719
the flock program.

2796
01:54:48,719 --> 01:54:51,679
>> Thank you. Um, Council Nter.

2797
01:54:51,679 --> 01:54:53,920
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, it's silly

2798
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:55,760
to be holding food while I do this, but

2799
01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:59,360
um, uh, as I've spoken various times

2800
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:01,199
about, um, I'm excited to see that the

2801
01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:02,880
state and federal government, um, as

2802
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:04,639
well as Flock itself, are going to

2803
01:55:04,639 --> 01:55:07,440
introduce more protections, um, and

2804
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:11,199
regulations. Um but at the moment uh

2805
01:55:11,199 --> 01:55:13,840
with public feedback on this um I don't

2806
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:15,679
support the expansion of the system as

2807
01:55:15,679 --> 01:55:17,599
we have it now.

2808
01:55:17,599 --> 01:55:19,920
Um that said in the future I'd like to

2809
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:22,880
still be interested in the

2810
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:26,800
um the drone um and then further

2811
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:28,800
protections for the first ward um along

2812
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:31,679
the Southshore tracks um in the station

2813
01:55:31,679 --> 01:55:34,400
there. But until then um I'm also

2814
01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:38,229
withdrawing my sponsorship.

2815
01:55:38,239 --> 01:55:40,320
Councilman Dabney.

2816
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:44,560
>> Yes. And obviously I've expressed u the

2817
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:47,280
whole process of how flock originally

2818
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:48,880
came to Michigan City due to the

2819
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:51,040
shootings and so forth. Uh but there

2820
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:52,719
have been things that have come up at

2821
01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:56,080
this time. Um and I am going to uh drop

2822
01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:58,560
my sponsorship at this time for this uh

2823
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:04,550
addition to the flock system.

2824
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:06,320
So at this present time that all

2825
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:08,560
sponsors um have dropped their

2826
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:11,760
sponsorships. So I will ask will any

2827
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:13,599
other council like to pick this

2828
01:56:13,599 --> 01:56:16,719
ordinance up?

2829
01:56:16,719 --> 01:56:19,040
I am asking again will any other council

2830
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:22,880
members like to pick this ordinance up?

2831
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:27,589
Would any other Councilman Nelson?

2832
01:56:27,599 --> 01:56:30,159
» I want the motion motion to um table

2833
01:56:30,159 --> 01:56:34,709
indefinitely.

2834
01:56:34,719 --> 01:56:37,840
Well, well, due to that due to that all

2835
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:40,159
sponsors have dropped their sponsorship,

2836
01:56:40,159 --> 01:56:42,320
then this is dead and no one else is

2837
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:44,239
picking this up to move forward.

2838
01:56:44,239 --> 01:56:47,599
>> That's even better. Thank you.

2839
01:56:47,599 --> 01:56:57,030
>> This ordinance is dead.

2840
01:56:57,040 --> 01:56:59,199
» Okay, we have order. We still have

2841
01:56:59,199 --> 01:57:01,040
business.

2842
01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:02,800
I I I just want to take a moment to

2843
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:06,239
thank uh Assistant Chief Sheparski and

2844
01:57:06,239 --> 01:57:09,119
the police chief uh for working with us

2845
01:57:09,119 --> 01:57:12,080
throughout this process. Um and I just

2846
01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:13,760
want to express my gratitude for that.

2847
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:14,880
Thank you so much.

2848
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:15,760
>> Thank you,

2849
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:18,400
>> Madam President. Madame President

2850
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:19,040
Binsky.

2851
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:23,119
>> Yeah, if I may. Uh I didn't express my

2852
01:57:23,119 --> 01:57:24,960
opinion when I first said that I was

2853
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:28,239
going to withdraw my support, but I do

2854
01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:31,760
want to thank uh Chief Saparski

2855
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:35,520
uh his work and uh hard diligence and

2856
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:36,960
going through the procedures and

2857
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:39,360
updating all the procedures.

2858
01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:42,719
And believe me folks, to me, the police

2859
01:57:42,719 --> 01:57:44,960
department's been very transparent on

2860
01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:50,400
this on this whole uh issue. Uh so I

2861
01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:53,199
wouldn't hold any grudges against the uh

2862
01:57:53,199 --> 01:57:56,320
police department. Uh and and one thing

2863
01:57:56,320 --> 01:57:58,639
though and just as Councilman Coulter

2864
01:57:58,639 --> 01:58:01,440
said and I said it to Councilman Kora

2865
01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:04,000
this morning that I still think and

2866
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:06,239
although it won't come up to us here

2867
01:58:06,239 --> 01:58:10,239
anytime soon I don't think is the uh

2868
01:58:10,239 --> 01:58:13,760
drone system. Now, if you look at it

2869
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:16,800
from this respect, look at it from this

2870
01:58:16,800 --> 01:58:20,719
respect. It's not about going around and

2871
01:58:20,719 --> 01:58:24,800
spying on people and what they're doing,

2872
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:26,639
but here in Michigan City, we have a

2873
01:58:26,639 --> 01:58:28,239
lakefront

2874
01:58:28,239 --> 01:58:30,960
that there's emergency calls that need

2875
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:32,400
to go out there. There's people

2876
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:35,440
drowning. There's boats that get uh, you

2877
01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:38,159
know, in wrecks and things like that.

2878
01:58:38,159 --> 01:58:40,080
And

2879
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:44,639
the drone can get there 50% faster than

2880
01:58:44,639 --> 01:58:47,679
any squad car or any fire truck trying

2881
01:58:47,679 --> 01:58:50,239
to get down there. And once it once they

2882
01:58:50,239 --> 01:58:51,920
get down there for the emergency

2883
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:54,719
response, then they got to walk up and

2884
01:58:54,719 --> 01:58:57,199
down the beach and try to get an idea

2885
01:58:57,199 --> 01:59:00,000
where the person's at. the drone is out

2886
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:02,800
over the lake already looking down

2887
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:06,400
telling the uh police department where

2888
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:09,040
the person's at. You know, I I'm

2889
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:11,040
thinking at it from that respect as an

2890
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:13,760
emergency response. And take for

2891
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:16,960
example, if uh

2892
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:19,679
you know, there's a child that's out in

2893
01:59:19,679 --> 01:59:22,080
the neighborhood and lost or there's

2894
01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:25,440
some kind of gun altercation going on.

2895
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:28,239
The drone is up above giving the police

2896
01:59:28,239 --> 01:59:31,760
down below the information they need and

2897
01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:34,719
how to deal with this situation. So, I'm

2898
01:59:34,719 --> 01:59:38,080
also looking at the safety of the police

2899
01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:40,239
officers and the safety of the

2900
01:59:40,239 --> 01:59:42,480
community. Not to say that that's going

2901
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:45,199
to be about come about, but that's

2902
01:59:45,199 --> 01:59:47,280
something I think we need to put in our

2903
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:49,679
thought process instead of just worrying

2904
01:59:49,679 --> 01:59:53,520
about the invasion of our privacy. I'm

2905
01:59:53,520 --> 01:59:55,199
looking at it from a public safety

2906
01:59:55,199 --> 01:59:58,719
standpoint also. So, I just want to

2907
01:59:58,719 --> 02:00:00,960
express my opinion on that. Thank you,

2908
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:03,840
>> Councilman Pisbelli. Councilman Dabney.

2909
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:06,480
>> Yes. And as we all, you know, quickly

2910
02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:08,800
dropped our sponsorship, but I did make

2911
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:10,639
the comment on how I feel about the the

2912
02:00:10,639 --> 02:00:12,639
flock system when it first came to

2913
02:00:12,639 --> 02:00:15,280
Michigan City and I still support. Um,

2914
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:16,880
and this is just I'm dropping my

2915
02:00:16,880 --> 02:00:19,440
sponsorship of the additional of what's

2916
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:21,599
happening, but we still have what we

2917
02:00:21,599 --> 02:00:24,560
have. And I was one of the original

2918
02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:27,199
council members that was invited in by

2919
02:00:27,199 --> 02:00:29,760
uh Chief uh Dion Campbell at the time

2920
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:31,119
>> as well as I

2921
02:00:31,119 --> 02:00:34,800
>> and as well as Councilwoman Tilman. Um,

2922
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:37,679
but when that was brought up here in

2923
02:00:37,679 --> 02:00:39,840
Michigan City, what was happening is

2924
02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:42,960
there were lots of shootings uh all over

2925
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:45,360
the place here in Michigan City, the

2926
02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:47,360
police would show up at the scene.

2927
02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:50,080
There'd be 25 people standing outside.

2928
02:00:50,080 --> 02:00:52,320
The police would ask, "Did anybody see

2929
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:56,080
anything?" They would all say no. Um cuz

2930
02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:58,880
they were afraid to speak. And so this

2931
02:00:58,880 --> 02:01:01,760
was the original reason why Flock was

2932
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:03,760
brought to Michigan City was because of

2933
02:01:03,760 --> 02:01:06,719
the shootings. Um I had a shooting, a

2934
02:01:06,719 --> 02:01:08,560
gunfight in the intersection right

2935
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:10,080
outside my house while I was laying on

2936
02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:12,000
the bed asleep. Bullets, four bullets

2937
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:13,520
came into my house, missed me by about

2938
02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:16,480
10 ft. Um there were two other shootings

2939
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:18,400
that happened on Ridgeland Avenue, which

2940
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:20,000
are right right down the street from my

2941
02:01:20,000 --> 02:01:21,920
house. Uh there were plenty of people

2942
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:23,360
out there. The police show up, asked

2943
02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:26,080
questions. Um did they say anything?

2944
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:28,320
Everybody said no, they did not because

2945
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:33,599
they were afraid um to to to report what

2946
02:01:33,599 --> 02:01:37,360
they had seen. And the flock cameras

2947
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:42,639
have been very good at picking up these shootings in that in certain

2948
02:01:42,639 --> 02:01:44,639
neighborhoods. Maybe your neighborhood

2949
02:01:44,639 --> 02:01:46,480
does not have the same kind of violence

2950
02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:48,239
and the shootings that mine does, but

2951
02:01:48,239 --> 02:01:51,119
that's where I'm coming from. Um the

2952
02:01:51,119 --> 02:01:53,280
last meeting we had, there was a a woman

2953
02:01:53,280 --> 02:01:54,960
sitting up top, but she didn't come and

2954
02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:57,199
talk about the flock cameras, but right

2955
02:01:57,199 --> 02:01:59,520
after they came in,

2956
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:01,360
um she's on the on the west side of town

2957
02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:03,199
with her daycare center, and there were

2958
02:02:03,199 --> 02:02:05,520
people shooting outside of the daycare.

2959
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:09,679
Bullets came into the daycare center. Um

2960
02:02:09,679 --> 02:02:13,119
and the fl cameras tracked the shooting,

2961
02:02:13,119 --> 02:02:14,400
the car that did the shooting right

2962
02:02:14,400 --> 02:02:16,159
outside. They picked the person up in

2963
02:02:16,159 --> 02:02:19,599
Marville. Um, so I see the other side of

2964
02:02:19,599 --> 02:02:21,440
it. I understand the people in the, you

2965
02:02:21,440 --> 02:02:24,159
know, wanting their their privacy and so

2966
02:02:24,159 --> 02:02:27,360
forth. Um, and I I feel like you have to

2967
02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:30,480
see both sides of it. Um, but I know the

2968
02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:33,040
side that I come from. Um, I know the

2969
02:02:33,040 --> 02:02:35,119
shootings have decreased in my

2970
02:02:35,119 --> 02:02:37,199
neighborhood. I know the conversations

2971
02:02:37,199 --> 02:02:40,719
that go on in my neighborhood about they

2972
02:02:40,719 --> 02:02:43,199
are cognizant and they know about these

2973
02:02:43,199 --> 02:02:45,599
cameras and what they can do uh regards

2974
02:02:45,599 --> 02:02:47,599
to tracking shooters in our

2975
02:02:47,599 --> 02:02:50,639
neighborhood. Um so I understand you

2976
02:02:50,639 --> 02:02:52,800
know the the the jubilance and the you

2977
02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:55,920
know the the happiness that happens but

2978
02:02:55,920 --> 02:02:59,280
as I see your point of view I hope some

2979
02:02:59,280 --> 02:03:01,520
people see mine as well because you know

2980
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:02,800
we come from a neighborhood where there

2981
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:04,639
were gunshots happening all the time.

2982
02:03:04,639 --> 02:03:06,239
police show up and like I said, people

2983
02:03:06,239 --> 02:03:09,440
were No, I I hadn't seen anything. Um

2984
02:03:09,440 --> 02:03:10,800
there were people, you know, there was a

2985
02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:13,280
shooting up at uh Memorial Park years

2986
02:03:13,280 --> 02:03:16,400
ago. 100 kids out there at a party.

2987
02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:18,880
Police show up, nobody saw anything. And

2988
02:03:18,880 --> 02:03:22,960
so I see the whole scope of it. And that

2989
02:03:22,960 --> 02:03:25,199
is very important to me as to why I was

2990
02:03:25,199 --> 02:03:28,159
in big support of it earlier because of

2991
02:03:28,159 --> 02:03:30,719
the shootings that were happening. And I

2992
02:03:30,719 --> 02:03:32,639
don't feel like I want to sacrifice

2993
02:03:32,639 --> 02:03:35,360
these unsolved shootings when this

2994
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:38,239
system has solved uh plenty of shootings

2995
02:03:38,239 --> 02:03:40,800
around the area. Child kidnappings where

2996
02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:43,520
somebody report a car has a child in it

2997
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:45,280
and we you know catch somebody down in

2998
02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:47,360
Indianapolis that has kidnapped a child.

2999
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:50,719
Uh so I understand all sides of it and I

3000
02:03:50,719 --> 02:03:52,080
just want to speak from the heart as to

3001
02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:55,920
why I feel u in support of the the flock

3002
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:58,080
camera system that we have. But you know

3003
02:03:58,080 --> 02:04:01,599
at this point the extension um I am like

3004
02:04:01,599 --> 02:04:02,960
I said I dropped my sponsorship for

3005
02:04:02,960 --> 02:04:06,800
that. But that is how I feel about the flock system going forward.

3006
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:08,560
>> Thank you Councilman Dabney. Councilman

3007
02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:10,880
Deree.

3008
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:12,960
>> I've been largely silent on this issue

3009
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:16,000
of flock

3010
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:18,560
for months. I've heard every argument

3011
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:22,480
for and against flock. Um, I know that

3012
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:24,639
you always learn more about an issue if

3013
02:04:24,639 --> 02:04:26,400
you listen rather than you speak

3014
02:04:26,400 --> 02:04:28,800
yourself. So that's why I haven't really

3015
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:31,679
spoken in the past. I think it's time to

3016
02:04:31,679 --> 02:04:35,280
speak now. I've heard Councilman Dabney

3017
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:37,440
make the comments he just made more than

3018
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:40,800
once before. Um, maybe two or three

3019
02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:43,760
meetings. Um,

3020
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:47,669
he's not alone.

3021
02:04:47,679 --> 02:04:49,679
To me, if we lived in a kind of

3022
02:04:49,679 --> 02:04:52,320
community that felt any sense of

3023
02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:54,639
responsibility for its own safety and

3024
02:04:54,639 --> 02:04:57,760
its own protection, if we would share

3025
02:04:57,760 --> 02:05:00,159
criminal activity with the police when

3026
02:05:00,159 --> 02:05:01,840
we were aware of crimes that have been

3027
02:05:01,840 --> 02:05:05,119
committed, I might feel differently, but

3028
02:05:05,119 --> 02:05:08,320
we don't report crimes. We witness

3029
02:05:08,320 --> 02:05:10,960
shootings. We witness attacks on other

3030
02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:14,080
people, and we don't report those when

3031
02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:18,000
asked by the police. We remain silent.

3032
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:20,960
In time, we even criticize the police

3033
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:23,199
because they're not being quicker or

3034
02:05:23,199 --> 02:05:26,239
better at solving the crimes that we

3035
02:05:26,239 --> 02:05:29,679
ourselves have betted to because we were

3036
02:05:29,679 --> 02:05:32,719
silent when we shouldn't have been.

3037
02:05:32,719 --> 02:05:35,360
Along comes Flock with a way to actually

3038
02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:37,440
help the police

3039
02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:40,080
identify criminals and actually aids

3040
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:43,040
them in doing their job. and we want to

3041
02:05:43,040 --> 02:05:46,159
handcuff them by denying the one tool

3042
02:05:46,159 --> 02:05:47,840
that can help them in ways that no other

3043
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:50,000
tool can.

3044
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:53,040
This makes no sense to me.

3045
02:05:53,040 --> 02:05:56,000
I was in favor of Flock originally, the

3046
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:57,679
way it was employed, and the history

3047
02:05:57,679 --> 02:05:59,520
shows that it's been valuable. It's

3048
02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:02,000
helped us solve many, many crimes and

3049
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:04,880
identifying many, many criminals.

3050
02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:07,280
It's way too valuable to me to give

3051
02:06:07,280 --> 02:06:09,040
away.

3052
02:06:09,040 --> 02:06:11,360
uh if if we ever become a community

3053
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:13,760
that's willing to work with police and

3054
02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:15,440
be a partner in creating a safe

3055
02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:17,920
environment for all of us, then I don't

3056
02:06:17,920 --> 02:06:21,840
think we need flock. But until then, I

3057
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:23,920
think the existing flock definitely

3058
02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:28,320
needs to be supported uh in place.

3059
02:06:28,320 --> 02:06:28,719
>> Thank you.

3060
02:06:28,719 --> 02:06:30,400
Mr. Beard. Councilwoman

3061
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:34,790
Moldenhau.

3062
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:37,679
» Thank you, Madame President. Um, I

3063
02:06:37,679 --> 02:06:41,280
wanted to go back to the philosophical

3064
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:43,599
quandry that I was struggling with a

3065
02:06:43,599 --> 02:06:46,639
couple council meetings ago about this

3066
02:06:46,639 --> 02:06:50,960
expansion of flock. Was it a want or was

3067
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:55,119
it a need? And I'll have to say that

3068
02:06:55,119 --> 02:06:57,199
since that time, I've gotten more emails

3069
02:06:57,199 --> 02:06:58,719
on

3070
02:06:58,719 --> 02:07:03,199
road conditions and on garbage pickup

3071
02:07:03,199 --> 02:07:06,560
than I have regarding anything regarding

3072
02:07:06,560 --> 02:07:09,840
flock or crime. So, I want to go back

3073
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:13,360
and make a recommmitment to Sean Smith,

3074
02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:14,880
who's the director of the street

3075
02:07:14,880 --> 02:07:17,520
department, that we as a council

3076
02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:20,719
seriously look at his request for a

3077
02:07:20,719 --> 02:07:24,079
small street paver that would allow them

3078
02:07:24,079 --> 02:07:27,679
to do small jobs like fixing multiple

3079
02:07:27,679 --> 02:07:30,880
potholes that are in a roll and the side

3080
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:32,400
streets, which are never going to get

3081
02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:35,728
paved according to the um the system

3082
02:07:35,728 --> 02:07:37,119
[clears throat] that we're using to rank

3083
02:07:37,119 --> 02:07:39,920
streets because of their low traffic

3084
02:07:39,920 --> 02:07:43,199
patterns. Also, I'd like to request that

3085
02:07:43,199 --> 02:07:46,560
we consider Chris Carter has backup

3086
02:07:46,560 --> 02:07:48,639
trucks in his department for picking up

3087
02:07:48,639 --> 02:07:52,159
our trash because when anything breaks,

3088
02:07:52,159 --> 02:07:55,280
>> counciloman hour

3089
02:07:55,280 --> 02:07:55,920
to do that.

3090
02:07:55,920 --> 02:07:57,679
>> Is this regarding flock?

3091
02:07:57,679 --> 02:07:58,560
>> Yes, it is.

3092
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:00,880
>> Oh, okay. And after careful care careful

3093
02:08:00,880 --> 02:08:02,880
consideration

3094
02:08:02,880 --> 02:08:05,440
um of these other concerns,

3095
02:08:05,440 --> 02:08:09,599
I perceive that the flock expansion is

3096
02:08:09,599 --> 02:08:15,520
indeed a want and not a need for the

3097
02:08:15,520 --> 02:08:17,280
residents of our community as they

3098
02:08:17,280 --> 02:08:19,840
voiced it. Thank you.

3099
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:23,760
>> Thank you, Councilwoman Maldenau.

3100
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:26,079
So, with that being said, we will now go

3101
02:08:26,079 --> 02:08:29,040
further onto our agenda. We are now

3102
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:31,599
under resolutions. Madame clerk, our

3103
02:08:31,599 --> 02:08:34,480
first resolution by title only, please.

3104
02:08:34,480 --> 02:08:37,280
>> A resolution by title only approving and

3105
02:08:37,280 --> 02:08:40,400
of authorizing the 2026

3106
02:08:40,400 --> 02:08:42,320
union contract between the Michigan City

3107
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:45,280
Firefighters Local 475 in the city of

3108
02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:47,360
Michigan City, Indiana. And this is

3109
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:49,199
introduced by Mr. Coulter, Mr.

3110
02:08:49,199 --> 02:08:51,599
Presolinsky, and Mr. Nelson. And would

3111
02:08:51,599 --> 02:08:53,199
any of the sponsors like to make any

3112
02:08:53,199 --> 02:08:54,960
comments? Councilman Halter.

3113
02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:57,760
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, this

3114
02:08:57,760 --> 02:08:59,760
contract was a a long discussion that

3115
02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:04,239
has finally come to an end. Um, uh, the

3116
02:09:04,239 --> 02:09:06,239
union president, uh, Chief Shapars, not

3117
02:09:06,239 --> 02:09:07,760
Shafarski,

3118
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:10,320
um, Zubudas, um, goodness gracious,

3119
02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:12,000
Chris Zabudas, it has been a long day

3120
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:14,639
already. Um, uh, wanted to stay here,

3121
02:09:14,639 --> 02:09:16,560
but, um, as long days often go, he's

3122
02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:18,880
back at the firehouse. Um, so he just

3123
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:20,880
wanted to thank us for finally getting

3124
02:09:20,880 --> 02:09:22,480
to a conclusion and an agreement on

3125
02:09:22,480 --> 02:09:26,239
this. Um, that said, the board of works

3126
02:09:26,239 --> 02:09:28,239
has also voted an approval of this

3127
02:09:28,239 --> 02:09:30,400
contract and so we are ready to as well

3128
02:09:30,400 --> 02:09:32,079
and I'd encourage our council members to

3129
02:09:32,079 --> 02:09:34,320
do so. Thank you.

3130
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:36,400
>> Would any of the other sponsors like to

3131
02:09:36,400 --> 02:09:37,840
make any comments? Councilman Prince

3132
02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:40,960
Bolinsky. Yeah, Madame President, I just

3133
02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:46,400
want to thank uh Firefighters Union 475

3134
02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:48,960
uh for doing a great job of coming to

3135
02:09:48,960 --> 02:09:52,960
the table and expressing their concerns

3136
02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:57,040
and needs for the uh contract and with

3137
02:09:57,040 --> 02:10:00,560
the uh leadership of Mr. Coulter uh for

3138
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:03,040
the labor relations committee and Mr.

3139
02:10:03,040 --> 02:10:05,679
Joe Nelson. uh you did I think you did a

3140
02:10:05,679 --> 02:10:08,239
fantastic job of getting this thing back

3141
02:10:08,239 --> 02:10:10,960
on track and moving down and we got a uh

3142
02:10:10,960 --> 02:10:13,679
agreement. So the firefighters are

3143
02:10:13,679 --> 02:10:16,239
happy. Uh the city council is happy and

3144
02:10:16,239 --> 02:10:19,440
I will also uh approve the passage of

3145
02:10:19,440 --> 02:10:21,920
this resolution. Thank you.

3146
02:10:21,920 --> 02:10:24,719
>> Thank you. Will any other other uh

3147
02:10:24,719 --> 02:10:27,119
sponsors like to make any comments? If

3148
02:10:27,119 --> 02:10:28,960
not, I will open this up for public

3149
02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:32,000
comments on this resolution.

3150
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:34,079
Are there any public comments on this

3151
02:10:34,079 --> 02:10:47,030
resolution?

3152
02:10:47,040 --> 02:10:49,280
» Good evening. Good evening, Paul. Chris

3153
02:10:49,280 --> 02:10:53,920
Bolinski, 1716 Washington Street.

3154
02:10:53,920 --> 02:10:56,480
I would uh

3155
02:10:56,480 --> 02:10:59,360
like to ask I know you probably won't

3156
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:01,920
answer but I'd like to know uh how many

3157
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:04,960
times did you not uh put notice up when

3158
02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:07,920
you had called a meeting uh Councilman

3159
02:11:07,920 --> 02:11:11,360
Cutotler and also

3160
02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:14,639
did the fireman actually file a uh

3161
02:11:14,639 --> 02:11:18,400
complaint and uh a mediator come in is

3162
02:11:18,400 --> 02:11:21,750
that true

3163
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:23,679
» thank you Mr. Mr. President Billeski.

3164
02:11:23,679 --> 02:11:27,270
>> No.

3165
02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:28,239
Secret.

3166
02:11:28,239 --> 02:11:29,920
>> Are there any other public comments on

3167
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:32,560
this ordinance? If the This will be the

3168
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:34,239
last call. Public comments on this

3169
02:11:34,239 --> 02:11:36,800
ordinance.

3170
02:11:36,800 --> 02:11:38,960
>> I'm sorry. On this resolution. Thank

3171
02:11:38,960 --> 02:11:41,599
you, Dr. Corb. Um, public comments are

3172
02:11:41,599 --> 02:11:43,119
now closed. Any comments from the

3173
02:11:43,119 --> 02:11:48,639
council?

3174
02:11:48,639 --> 02:11:50,639
>> We have to approve.

3175
02:11:50,639 --> 02:11:52,480
>> Just one comment. I just want to thank

3176
02:11:52,480 --> 02:11:55,760
uh the uh council members uh who were on

3177
02:11:55,760 --> 02:11:58,079
the negotiating committee uh councilman

3178
02:11:58,079 --> 02:11:59,920
Coulter, Councilman Priska, and

3179
02:11:59,920 --> 02:12:04,069
Councilman. So, thank you.

3180
02:12:04,079 --> 02:12:05,760
» May Councilman Davney.

3181
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:09,119
>> Yeah. And I was asking or going to ask

3182
02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:12,960
what was agreed to.

3183
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:15,199
Can we discuss that? Uh what was agreed

3184
02:12:15,199 --> 02:12:17,760
to?

3185
02:12:17,760 --> 02:12:20,800
>> That is just because of what I heard. It

3186
02:12:20,800 --> 02:12:22,719
sounds like it was agreed to just about

3187
02:12:22,719 --> 02:12:26,000
what happened over a year ago.

3188
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:28,719
>> I would air that to attorney Harris to

3189
02:12:28,719 --> 02:12:29,199
answer.

3190
02:12:29,199 --> 02:12:30,560
>> Yeah, that would that would take us

3191
02:12:30,560 --> 02:12:33,040
quite a bit of time to go over every uh

3192
02:12:33,040 --> 02:12:34,639
element of the contract. Obviously, the

3193
02:12:34,639 --> 02:12:37,119
collective bargaining agreement is 54

3194
02:12:37,119 --> 02:12:38,880
pages, I believe, something like that.

3195
02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:41,280
Um so, it's difficult. Um it is

3196
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:42,960
available in the clerk's office um for

3197
02:12:42,960 --> 02:12:45,280
review, so the public can have it um as

3198
02:12:45,280 --> 02:12:47,599
well as the council members. Um, and

3199
02:12:47,599 --> 02:12:49,840
while it may be 54 pages, obviously all

3200
02:12:49,840 --> 02:12:51,599
of all of the provisions of the contract

3201
02:12:51,599 --> 02:12:54,239
were not an issue. Um, the last couple

3202
02:12:54,239 --> 02:12:56,079
of issues that we were dealing with

3203
02:12:56,079 --> 02:12:59,199
dealt with, um, primarily sick days that

3204
02:12:59,199 --> 02:13:00,239
they were looking for and other

3205
02:13:00,239 --> 02:13:03,520
incentives. Obviously, the city um has

3206
02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:05,360
uh, as every municipality does in our

3207
02:13:05,360 --> 02:13:08,239
area, its challenges um, with the

3208
02:13:08,239 --> 02:13:10,079
unknown with funding. So, we were

3209
02:13:10,079 --> 02:13:11,599
looking at creative ways to provide

3210
02:13:11,599 --> 02:13:14,239
incentives for the firefighters while at

3211
02:13:14,239 --> 02:13:16,800
the same time not committing to um large

3212
02:13:16,800 --> 02:13:19,440
raises that could not be sustained. So,

3213
02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:20,880
uh the long and short of it is that's

3214
02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:24,400
what the current contract reflects.

3215
02:13:24,400 --> 02:13:26,320
>> Thank you.

3216
02:13:26,320 --> 02:13:27,760
>> May I entertain a motion?

3217
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:29,520
>> Motion to approve.

3218
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:30,800
>> Second.

3219
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:33,199
was uh Council Nola. Madam Clerk,

3220
02:13:33,199 --> 02:13:35,520
on the vote, please.

3221
02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:40,800
>> Mr. Nelson.

3222
02:13:40,800 --> 02:13:42,159
>> Hi.

3223
02:13:42,159 --> 02:13:43,360
>> I'm Thank you.

3224
02:13:43,360 --> 02:13:44,800
>> There you go.

3225
02:13:44,800 --> 02:13:46,079
>> Mr. Presolinsky.

3226
02:13:46,079 --> 02:13:46,400
>> Hi,

3227
02:13:46,400 --> 02:13:47,199
>> Miss Tman.

3228
02:13:47,199 --> 02:13:47,599
>> Hi,

3229
02:13:47,599 --> 02:13:48,560
>> Mr. Beatatri.

3230
02:13:48,560 --> 02:13:48,960
>> Hi,

3231
02:13:48,960 --> 02:13:50,079
>> Mr. Coulter. Hi,

3232
02:13:50,079 --> 02:13:51,199
>> Mr. Dabney. Hi,

3233
02:13:51,199 --> 02:13:52,000
>> Dr. Cora.

3234
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:52,320
>> Hi,

3235
02:13:52,320 --> 02:13:53,040
>> Miss Lee.

3236
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:53,360
>> Hi,

3237
02:13:53,360 --> 02:13:54,960
>> and Miss Molden.

3238
02:13:54,960 --> 02:13:56,000
>> I

3239
02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:57,679
>> We have nine in favor and no one

3240
02:13:57,679 --> 02:13:58,800
opposed.

3241
02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:00,719
>> And with the unanimous, this resolution

3242
02:14:00,719 --> 02:14:04,709
has passed.

3243
02:14:04,719 --> 02:14:06,639
Madame clerk, if you would please. Our

3244
02:14:06,639 --> 02:14:08,880
next resolution by title only.

3245
02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:11,280
>> A resolution by title only. A resolution

3246
02:14:11,280 --> 02:14:12,800
of the common council of the Michigan

3247
02:14:12,800 --> 02:14:15,440
City Indiana opposing funding reductions

3248
02:14:15,440 --> 02:14:17,199
that would jeopardize free public

3249
02:14:17,199 --> 02:14:20,000
internet access at public libraries. And

3250
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:22,960
this is produced by Dr. Plura.

3251
02:14:22,960 --> 02:14:25,119
>> And Dr. Cer, would you like to make any

3252
02:14:25,119 --> 02:14:26,000
comments?

3253
02:14:26,000 --> 02:14:28,079
>> Thank you, Madam President. Uh I'll be

3254
02:14:28,079 --> 02:14:32,239
very brief. uh uh there is a program uh

3255
02:14:32,239 --> 02:14:34,320
which is federally funded called the

3256
02:14:34,320 --> 02:14:38,239
federal program uh that helps fund the

3257
02:14:38,239 --> 02:14:41,360
availability of uh internet access in

3258
02:14:41,360 --> 02:14:44,719
public libraries. Um and even though it

3259
02:14:44,719 --> 02:14:47,119
is available for this year, there is a

3260
02:14:47,119 --> 02:14:50,480
proposal to cut that funding um in the

3261
02:14:50,480 --> 02:14:53,280
years to come. And so this resolution

3262
02:14:53,280 --> 02:14:57,040
aims at um uh requesting our state and

3263
02:14:57,040 --> 02:14:59,679
federal legislators uh to oppose those

3264
02:14:59,679 --> 02:15:03,360
funding cuts because the um the internet

3265
02:15:03,360 --> 02:15:05,760
access at public libraries is an is a

3266
02:15:05,760 --> 02:15:09,360
very important tool for many of our uh

3267
02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:11,760
community members. So I would also like

3268
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:14,960
to yield to uh Councilman uh Coloulter

3269
02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:18,960
because he has a lot of um expertise on

3270
02:15:18,960 --> 02:15:21,040
libraries. So in case you want to

3271
02:15:21,040 --> 02:15:22,079
comment.

3272
02:15:22,079 --> 02:15:23,760
>> Yeah, just to add a little bit to that.

3273
02:15:23,760 --> 02:15:25,119
Um, as somebody who's worked in

3274
02:15:25,119 --> 02:15:26,800
libraries and has a masters in library

3275
02:15:26,800 --> 02:15:30,560
science, um, it's it's unspeakable how

3276
02:15:30,560 --> 02:15:32,480
important uh, the internet is and

3277
02:15:32,480 --> 02:15:34,639
internet access is to libraries and what

3278
02:15:34,639 --> 02:15:36,159
they are and what they will continue to

3279
02:15:36,159 --> 02:15:38,719
be into the future. Um, as books become

3280
02:15:38,719 --> 02:15:41,679
less and less of a physical object, um,

3281
02:15:41,679 --> 02:15:43,119
libraries almost become almost just

3282
02:15:43,119 --> 02:15:46,719
computer lounges. Um and if many of us

3283
02:15:46,719 --> 02:15:48,880
have privileges to have very good phones

3284
02:15:48,880 --> 02:15:51,280
and and if not that then even more than

3285
02:15:51,280 --> 02:15:55,119
that uh internet access at home. Um

3286
02:15:55,119 --> 02:15:57,040
but for a lot of people uh the internet

3287
02:15:57,040 --> 02:15:59,199
at the library is the only way that they

3288
02:15:59,199 --> 02:16:01,840
can interact on the internet uh to do

3289
02:16:01,840 --> 02:16:04,400
job research, job applications. Um

3290
02:16:04,400 --> 02:16:06,239
medical research is a big thing. Um when

3291
02:16:06,239 --> 02:16:07,520
I was at the library, I got a

3292
02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:09,280
specialization in uh public health

3293
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:11,760
research. Um, and a lot of people will

3294
02:16:11,760 --> 02:16:13,599
go to libraries right after their doctor

3295
02:16:13,599 --> 02:16:15,520
appointment um to figure out what that

3296
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:18,800
guy just said to him.

3297
02:16:18,800 --> 02:16:23,199
Uh, just in some clear language. Um, and

3298
02:16:23,199 --> 02:16:25,280
with all of that, uh, it's it's

3299
02:16:25,280 --> 02:16:27,119
incredibly important to have library

3300
02:16:27,119 --> 02:16:29,840
internet access at libraries. Um, the

3301
02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:32,639
rate program that is discussed in the

3302
02:16:32,639 --> 02:16:34,719
resolution as we're looking at it, um,

3303
02:16:34,719 --> 02:16:36,160
is something that the federal government

3304
02:16:36,160 --> 02:16:38,080
provides through state libraries. So

3305
02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:40,080
through the Indiana State Library um and

3306
02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:41,760
then that trickles down to some of the

3307
02:16:41,760 --> 02:16:45,599
local libraries. Um that said, uh the

3308
02:16:45,599 --> 02:16:47,920
process of applying for that funding has

3309
02:16:47,920 --> 02:16:49,760
become more ownorous with less of a

3310
02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:51,599
reward. So some of our more local

3311
02:16:51,599 --> 02:16:53,280
libraries like Michigan City and Leport

3312
02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:55,599
County don't use that program, but Lake

3313
02:16:55,599 --> 02:16:57,760
County relies heavily on it. And then

3314
02:16:57,760 --> 02:17:00,639
when you look at places um on a federal

3315
02:17:00,639 --> 02:17:04,240
level uh like uh Wyoming or or very

3316
02:17:04,240 --> 02:17:07,840
rural states um other things in the -ate

3317
02:17:07,840 --> 02:17:10,479
program uh become really important to to

3318
02:17:10,479 --> 02:17:13,920
those areas. Um so while this might not

3319
02:17:13,920 --> 02:17:16,559
be something that is pressing here at

3320
02:17:16,559 --> 02:17:18,960
home with the -ate program uh it is

3321
02:17:18,960 --> 02:17:20,960
something that just is nationally is is

3322
02:17:20,960 --> 02:17:22,319
an issue that we're we're concerned

3323
02:17:22,319 --> 02:17:25,280
about. Um yeah that's that's my big

3324
02:17:25,280 --> 02:17:27,519
contribution. But then while I'm on the

3325
02:17:27,519 --> 02:17:30,399
mic, uh

3326
02:17:30,399 --> 02:17:32,880
the section five at the end of the

3327
02:17:32,880 --> 02:17:36,000
resolution um introduces this space

3328
02:17:36,000 --> 02:17:37,760
where we would list who we want it to go

3329
02:17:37,760 --> 02:17:41,840
to and then it just kind of stops. Um

3330
02:17:41,840 --> 02:17:43,760
can we add in there that we'd like this

3331
02:17:43,760 --> 02:17:46,960
to go to Congressman Moran and Senators

3332
02:17:46,960 --> 02:17:49,280
Young and Banks?

3333
02:17:49,280 --> 02:17:50,639
>> Madam President, if I could add anybody

3334
02:17:50,639 --> 02:17:52,240
else on that? Yes. I think that is

3335
02:17:52,240 --> 02:17:53,599
what's intended with with the

3336
02:17:53,599 --> 02:17:56,319
introduction of this resolution is for

3337
02:17:56,319 --> 02:17:58,080
uh council members to express who they

3338
02:17:58,080 --> 02:18:00,319
would like to see receive a copy of it.

3339
02:18:00,319 --> 02:18:00,639
>> Okay.

3340
02:18:00,639 --> 02:18:03,840
>> So, it would be appropriate. Yes.

3341
02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:05,280
>> Is there anyone else that you would like

3342
02:18:05,280 --> 02:18:07,519
to have added?

3343
02:18:07,519 --> 02:18:10,240
>> Off the top of my head, no. But, um the

3344
02:18:10,240 --> 02:18:12,719
uh FCC is looking for public feedback.

3345
02:18:12,719 --> 02:18:14,240
Um so, you can get onto their website.

3346
02:18:14,240 --> 02:18:16,800
Um like I said, local libraries don't

3347
02:18:16,800 --> 02:18:18,240
use this program, but Lake County is

3348
02:18:18,240 --> 02:18:19,599
pushing it. So, it's one of those

3349
02:18:19,599 --> 02:18:20,800
situations that if you go into Lake

3350
02:18:20,800 --> 02:18:22,080
County Public Library and you check out

3351
02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:23,280
a book, they're like, "And then we need

3352
02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:25,679
you to talk to the FCC." Um, so I

3353
02:18:25,679 --> 02:18:29,359
imagine I could find a contact from them

3354
02:18:29,359 --> 02:18:31,120
to send this to as well.

3355
02:18:31,120 --> 02:18:32,800
>> Okay. And would you be able to provide

3356
02:18:32,800 --> 02:18:34,880
that um to the clerk so that she could

3357
02:18:34,880 --> 02:18:35,679
add that?

3358
02:18:35,679 --> 02:18:37,599
>> Yeah, I'll make a point of stay on me

3359
02:18:37,599 --> 02:18:38,559
about it. But yeah,

3360
02:18:38,559 --> 02:18:40,319
>> Dr. Core that you would like added.

3361
02:18:40,319 --> 02:18:41,519
Okay.

3362
02:18:41,519 --> 02:18:42,160
>> Thank you very

3363
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:44,240
>> Thank you. So, I would like to open this

3364
02:18:44,240 --> 02:18:45,679
up for public comment on this

3365
02:18:45,679 --> 02:18:48,319
resolution. Public comments are now open

3366
02:18:48,319 --> 02:18:50,319
on this resolution.

3367
02:18:50,319 --> 02:18:53,920
Any public comments on this resolution?

3368
02:18:53,920 --> 02:18:56,479
>> Uh, Roger will be 401 East 7th Street,

3369
02:18:56,479 --> 02:18:58,399
Michigan City.

3370
02:18:58,399 --> 02:19:01,120
This is for internet access at our

3371
02:19:01,120 --> 02:19:04,559
library, right?

3372
02:19:04,559 --> 02:19:05,760
>> Public,

3373
02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:11,030
>> but primarily Michigan City.

3374
02:19:11,040 --> 02:19:13,040
» So, the federal government is paying for

3375
02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:14,800
that access or we're paying for that

3376
02:19:14,800 --> 02:19:18,719
access? the federal government.

3377
02:19:18,719 --> 02:19:20,559
>> Does anybody have any idea that can they

3378
02:19:20,559 --> 02:19:22,319
tell me what the fee is for our public

3379
02:19:22,319 --> 02:19:23,920
library that we're paying for internet

3380
02:19:23,920 --> 02:19:26,880
access? Is that a T1 line? What is that?

3381
02:19:26,880 --> 02:19:29,840
>> This is this is public comment, not Q&A,

3382
02:19:29,840 --> 02:19:31,200
sir.

3383
02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:32,800
>> Okay. Thank you.

3384
02:19:32,800 --> 02:19:37,270
>> Thank you.

3385
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:39,200
Are there any other public comments? Do

3386
02:19:39,200 --> 02:19:41,679
we have anyone online?

3387
02:19:41,679 --> 02:19:43,359
This is last call for public comment.

3388
02:19:43,359 --> 02:19:45,200
Public comments are now closed. comments

3389
02:19:45,200 --> 02:19:47,760
from the council.

3390
02:19:47,760 --> 02:19:49,760
>> Any conversation from the council?

3391
02:19:49,760 --> 02:19:50,960
Nicoleter.

3392
02:19:50,960 --> 02:19:52,560
>> Um just to go a little rogue and to

3393
02:19:52,560 --> 02:19:54,240
respond to Mr. Willoughy's question a

3394
02:19:54,240 --> 02:19:56,880
little bit. Um our public libraries here

3395
02:19:56,880 --> 02:20:00,080
um as I mentioned in my first comments

3396
02:20:00,080 --> 02:20:03,600
um they don't use this FCC rate funding

3397
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:06,080
um that just more or less helps reduce

3398
02:20:06,080 --> 02:20:08,960
the cost of it. Um our local libraries

3399
02:20:08,960 --> 02:20:12,080
rely on the local property taxes. Um,

3400
02:20:12,080 --> 02:20:14,640
Senate Bill 1 has hamstrung our local

3401
02:20:14,640 --> 02:20:18,080
libraries. Um, we we don't have good

3402
02:20:18,080 --> 02:20:19,439
numbers. Ex. I don't have good numbers.

3403
02:20:19,439 --> 02:20:21,600
I don't work at a library right now. Um,

3404
02:20:21,600 --> 02:20:23,520
but

3405
02:20:23,520 --> 02:20:25,920
because of the property tax reductions

3406
02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:28,000
from the state house, I believe some

3407
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:30,800
libraries are looking at a like 25% cut

3408
02:20:30,800 --> 02:20:34,160
to their funding. Um, and [snorts] that

3409
02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:35,439
could mean closing branches. That could

3410
02:20:35,439 --> 02:20:36,720
mean letting go of staff. It could mean

3411
02:20:36,720 --> 02:20:39,600
letting go of entire programs. Um, I I

3412
02:20:39,600 --> 02:20:41,040
can't believe that it would ever mean

3413
02:20:41,040 --> 02:20:44,720
that they'd get rid of Wi-Fi. Um, but a

3414
02:20:44,720 --> 02:20:47,359
25% reduction in a budget is a

3415
02:20:47,359 --> 02:20:50,479
significant thing. Um, I believe, and

3416
02:20:50,479 --> 02:20:52,479
I'm not sure about this, but the there

3417
02:20:52,479 --> 02:20:54,240
is a possibility that when we look at

3418
02:20:54,240 --> 02:20:55,920
the countywide local income tax that

3419
02:20:55,920 --> 02:20:58,160
could include libraries, um, but not

3420
02:20:58,160 --> 02:21:00,640
necessarily. So, I would encourage our

3421
02:21:00,640 --> 02:21:05,680
local county um council to consider if

3422
02:21:05,680 --> 02:21:07,439
it's possible to include libraries on

3423
02:21:07,439 --> 02:21:10,960
that local income tax in order to con um

3424
02:21:10,960 --> 02:21:15,520
ensure that um those services continue.

3425
02:21:15,520 --> 02:21:19,040
Every dollar spent on

3426
02:21:19,040 --> 02:21:21,520
uh local libraries in Indiana brings $4

3427
02:21:21,520 --> 02:21:23,680
back into the community. Um that's just

3428
02:21:23,680 --> 02:21:26,080
Indiana's statistics on that. Um

3429
02:21:26,080 --> 02:21:27,520
Wisconsin does a much better job with

3430
02:21:27,520 --> 02:21:28,880
their libraries. every dollar spent in a

3431
02:21:28,880 --> 02:21:32,240
Wisconsin library brings back $8. Uh so

3432
02:21:32,240 --> 02:21:34,000
this is a fantastic economic development

3433
02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:36,720
tool. Not just that, but also just like

3434
02:21:36,720 --> 02:21:39,040
um I don't have to paint a picture.

3435
02:21:39,040 --> 02:21:40,880
Early childhood literacy is an essential

3436
02:21:40,880 --> 02:21:42,800
tool that is brought to us by libraries

3437
02:21:42,800 --> 02:21:44,640
and Senate Bill One has hamstrung our

3438
02:21:44,640 --> 02:21:47,280
their ability to do that.

3439
02:21:47,280 --> 02:21:50,880
>> Thank you. C this is not Q&A. Council

3440
02:21:50,880 --> 02:21:55,590
comments are council comments.

3441
02:21:55,600 --> 02:21:57,760
Um, are there any other comments from

3442
02:21:57,760 --> 02:21:59,439
the council in regards to this

3443
02:21:59,439 --> 02:22:01,520
resolution? If there are none, may I

3444
02:22:01,520 --> 02:22:03,120
entertain a motion?

3445
02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:04,880
>> Uh, so moved. Second.

3446
02:22:04,880 --> 02:22:08,080
>> Madame Clerk, on the vote, please.

3447
02:22:08,080 --> 02:22:09,760
>> Mr. President Bolinski,

3448
02:22:09,760 --> 02:22:10,319
>> I.

3449
02:22:10,319 --> 02:22:11,200
>> Miss Tman,

3450
02:22:11,200 --> 02:22:11,600
>> I.

3451
02:22:11,600 --> 02:22:12,479
>> Mr. Beatri,

3452
02:22:12,479 --> 02:22:12,800
>> hi.

3453
02:22:12,800 --> 02:22:13,600
>> Mr. Coulter,

3454
02:22:13,600 --> 02:22:14,000
>> hi.

3455
02:22:14,000 --> 02:22:14,880
>> Mr. Dabney.

3456
02:22:14,880 --> 02:22:15,200
>> Hi,

3457
02:22:15,200 --> 02:22:16,399
>> Dr. Cora. Hi,

3458
02:22:16,399 --> 02:22:17,600
>> Miss Lee. Hi,

3459
02:22:17,600 --> 02:22:20,640
>> Miss Moldenhower. Hi.

3460
02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:28,150
>> And Mr. Nelson abstain.

3461
02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:29,840
We have eight in favor and one

3462
02:22:29,840 --> 02:22:31,040
abstained.

3463
02:22:31,040 --> 02:22:34,960
>> And this resolution has passed.

3464
02:22:34,960 --> 02:22:36,640
Madame clerk, if you would, our next

3465
02:22:36,640 --> 02:22:39,680
resolution by title only, please.

3466
02:22:39,680 --> 02:22:42,399
>> A resolution by title only. A resolution

3467
02:22:42,399 --> 02:22:44,800
of the city of Michigan City, Indiana

3468
02:22:44,800 --> 02:22:47,280
common consult granting a waiver of

3469
02:22:47,280 --> 02:22:50,080
non-compliance pursuant to Indiana code

3470
02:22:50,080 --> 02:22:54,560
6-1 1-12 1-9.5

3471
02:22:54,560 --> 02:22:57,920
with respect to an assessed valuation

3472
02:22:57,920 --> 02:23:00,960
bacon building deduction tax abatement

3473
02:23:00,960 --> 02:23:04,319
for the tangible real property of kin

3474
02:23:04,319 --> 02:23:08,880
kinitech resources LLC DBA aquagenics

3475
02:23:08,880 --> 02:23:10,960
technologies and this is introduced by

3476
02:23:10,960 --> 02:23:12,080
Mr. Beatry

3477
02:23:12,080 --> 02:23:13,760
>> and would the sponsor like to make any

3478
02:23:13,760 --> 02:23:15,280
comments?

3479
02:23:15,280 --> 02:23:18,479
>> This resolution I I mentioned several

3480
02:23:18,479 --> 02:23:20,720
hours ago when we were looking at tax

3481
02:23:20,720 --> 02:23:24,160
abatements. Uh Aquagenics is a great

3482
02:23:24,160 --> 02:23:26,399
company in Michigan City. Uh they

3483
02:23:26,399 --> 02:23:29,040
operate a number of different uh areas

3484
02:23:29,040 --> 02:23:30,800
primarily in the water treatment,

3485
02:23:30,800 --> 02:23:34,560
filtration and sanitizing spaces. The

3486
02:23:34,560 --> 02:23:37,120
company creates technologies and

3487
02:23:37,120 --> 02:23:41,200
produces products with a primary goal of

3488
02:23:41,200 --> 02:23:44,000
um making cleaner and safer environments

3489
02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:47,600
for customers and industrial, medical,

3490
02:23:47,600 --> 02:23:51,840
government and retail sectors. Um

3491
02:23:51,840 --> 02:23:56,630
they have 5,137,200

3492
02:23:56,640 --> 02:23:58,640
in real property that they added to

3493
02:23:58,640 --> 02:24:01,680
Michigan City. They were [clears throat]

3494
02:24:01,680 --> 02:24:05,920
tardy in their filings. Uh but they do

3495
02:24:05,920 --> 02:24:13,200
uh make the the goal in uh industrial um

3496
02:24:13,200 --> 02:24:16,880
investment. The owner of Aquagenics sent

3497
02:24:16,880 --> 02:24:19,854
a letter with his request

3498
02:24:19,854 --> 02:24:20,960
[clears throat] stating he currently

3499
02:24:20,960 --> 02:24:23,120
employs 50 people for the Michigan City

3500
02:24:23,120 --> 02:24:25,920
facility. He has the capacity to hire

3501
02:24:25,920 --> 02:24:29,600
over a 100 but uh employees.

3502
02:24:29,600 --> 02:24:32,160
uh but has had been unable to fill the

3503
02:24:32,160 --> 02:24:35,439
up open positions because of a lack of

3504
02:24:35,439 --> 02:24:38,399
potential candidates in the area. Since

3505
02:24:38,399 --> 02:24:40,479
relocating to Michigan City, he says he

3506
02:24:40,479 --> 02:24:43,280
has struggled to sustain a workforce

3507
02:24:43,280 --> 02:24:46,000
required to meet his needs. A number of

3508
02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:48,640
new hires have voluntarily left their

3509
02:24:48,640 --> 02:24:51,200
position shortly after starting, which

3510
02:24:51,200 --> 02:24:53,359
has led to staffing shortages,

3511
02:24:53,359 --> 02:24:55,920
operational disruptions, and increased

3512
02:24:55,920 --> 02:24:58,880
recruitment and time and training uh

3513
02:24:58,880 --> 02:25:01,920
costs. Last week, he said he hired a

3514
02:25:01,920 --> 02:25:04,319
Michigan city man. We trained for

3515
02:25:04,319 --> 02:25:07,760
several days, uh remained a few days

3516
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:09,840
longer, and then didn't show up for work

3517
02:25:09,840 --> 02:25:13,439
for 3 days. Um, this is a company that

3518
02:25:13,439 --> 02:25:15,280
has worked hard in Michigan City, been a

3519
02:25:15,280 --> 02:25:17,439
good candidate for us, a good partner

3520
02:25:17,439 --> 02:25:20,800
with us. They have increased their pay

3521
02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:22,960
rates, their hours, their bonuses, and

3522
02:25:22,960 --> 02:25:25,359
benefits as a means of attracting

3523
02:25:25,359 --> 02:25:28,640
qualified candidates. Uh other uh things

3524
02:25:28,640 --> 02:25:33,359
they offer include uh moving to a 410

3525
02:25:33,359 --> 02:25:38,000
day a 410 work week for a good portion

3526
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:40,399
of their staff and providing flexible

3527
02:25:40,399 --> 02:25:42,960
hours in other areas as well. They offer

3528
02:25:42,960 --> 02:25:45,040
education training and certification as

3529
02:25:45,040 --> 02:25:48,720
well. So, I'm recommending that we allow

3530
02:25:48,720 --> 02:25:52,720
them to be to wave the the penalty for

3531
02:25:52,720 --> 02:25:56,640
this uh tardiness and allow their

3532
02:25:56,640 --> 02:25:59,280
abatement to go in place for this uh

3533
02:25:59,280 --> 02:26:01,359
this year.

3534
02:26:01,359 --> 02:26:03,520
>> And that would be my motion.

3535
02:26:03,520 --> 02:26:04,800
>> Second. Second.

3536
02:26:04,800 --> 02:26:06,560
>> No, we have to open open it up for

3537
02:26:06,560 --> 02:26:09,359
public comment. Um this resolution is

3538
02:26:09,359 --> 02:26:11,120
now open up for public comment. Are

3539
02:26:11,120 --> 02:26:12,479
there any public comments on this

3540
02:26:12,479 --> 02:26:14,560
resolution?

3541
02:26:14,560 --> 02:26:17,520
Yes, my name's Wayne Ritzel, 4210 East

3542
02:26:17,520 --> 02:26:19,920
Mishka Boulevard. Uh, so you're going to

3543
02:26:19,920 --> 02:26:22,560
wave uh his their fee or whatever

3544
02:26:22,560 --> 02:26:25,920
because they were late. Well, uh, with

3545
02:26:25,920 --> 02:26:29,040
in regards to some form of property tax.

3546
02:26:29,040 --> 02:26:31,840
Well, you're not even waving the fees

3547
02:26:31,840 --> 02:26:34,640
over for burnt homes or storm damaged

3548
02:26:34,640 --> 02:26:38,000
homes through the disaster. and people

3549
02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:39,920
aren't even getting the service when it

3550
02:26:39,920 --> 02:26:44,399
comes time for the bills for the uh tax

3551
02:26:44,399 --> 02:26:47,120
notice for the sales. And you can check

3552
02:26:47,120 --> 02:26:49,760
mycasein.gov over there at the recent

3553
02:26:49,760 --> 02:26:52,240
tax sale hearings and you go scroll down

3554
02:26:52,240 --> 02:26:54,080
to my name on there. You type my name

3555
02:26:54,080 --> 02:26:56,640
and search for it and you'll find at the

3556
02:26:56,640 --> 02:26:59,040
bottom where they took and hid the fact

3557
02:26:59,040 --> 02:27:01,600
that they violated the United States

3558
02:27:01,600 --> 02:27:03,920
Constitution. They violated two US

3559
02:27:03,920 --> 02:27:06,640
Supreme Court cases. So the judge just

3560
02:27:06,640 --> 02:27:08,720
ignored your Indiana constitution which

3561
02:27:08,720 --> 02:27:12,000
ties to all your power that you guys got

3562
02:27:12,000 --> 02:27:13,920
elected officials. Yes, it is. It's

3563
02:27:13,920 --> 02:27:17,280
regarding taxes and property taxes. Same field.

3564
02:27:17,280 --> 02:27:19,760
>> But but not this resolution.

3565
02:27:19,760 --> 02:27:21,040
>> It ties with this. If you're going to

3566
02:27:21,040 --> 02:27:22,479
give somebody else a deduction, you got

3567
02:27:22,479 --> 02:27:23,520
to give me a deduction.

3568
02:27:23,520 --> 02:27:26,000
>> But this is regard I understand what

3569
02:27:26,000 --> 02:27:27,760
you're saying,

3570
02:27:27,760 --> 02:27:30,720
but we'd like to stay more on this

3571
02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:33,600
actual resolution that's before us.

3572
02:27:33,600 --> 02:27:35,439
>> Oh, I I understand that. So, you guys

3573
02:27:35,439 --> 02:27:37,200
want to give them a deduction? They say

3574
02:27:37,200 --> 02:27:39,120
that they they're not finding qualified

3575
02:27:39,120 --> 02:27:42,240
candidates. Uh, but yet they're probably

3576
02:27:42,240 --> 02:27:44,640
not offering the training that like say

3577
02:27:44,640 --> 02:27:47,439
Waterburger does. And In-N-Out Burger,

3578
02:27:47,439 --> 02:27:50,479
you know, their managers make $225,000 a

3579
02:27:50,479 --> 02:27:55,280
year, right? So does Bies Truck Stop.

3580
02:27:55,280 --> 02:27:58,880
So, great benefits, too. So, if you guys

3581
02:27:58,880 --> 02:28:01,359
ever want to just bail from public

3582
02:28:01,359 --> 02:28:02,960
service here and go get a job there,

3583
02:28:02,960 --> 02:28:05,359
it'd be great. You make a whole bunch of

3584
02:28:05,359 --> 02:28:06,800
money.

3585
02:28:06,800 --> 02:28:09,600
>> Thank you, Miss.

3586
02:28:09,600 --> 02:28:12,479
>> Are there any other public?

3587
02:28:12,479 --> 02:28:15,280
>> Um, yes,

3588
02:28:15,280 --> 02:28:18,479
Mr. Bodic, I believe.

3589
02:28:18,479 --> 02:28:19,680
>> Yes. Can you hear me?

3590
02:28:19,680 --> 02:28:20,800
>> Yes.

3591
02:28:20,800 --> 02:28:23,920
>> Thank you, President Tilman and the

3592
02:28:23,920 --> 02:28:25,600
council members. I appreciate it. My

3593
02:28:25,600 --> 02:28:27,520
name is Dan Bodic. I work for

3594
02:28:27,520 --> 02:28:30,319
Development Economic Finance Consulting.

3595
02:28:30,319 --> 02:28:32,479
It was brought to our attention through

3596
02:28:32,479 --> 02:28:35,280
Frederick Nukem who is the president and

3597
02:28:35,280 --> 02:28:39,280
CEO of Aquagenics that their their

3598
02:28:39,280 --> 02:28:43,120
assessed valuation deduction form CF1s

3599
02:28:43,120 --> 02:28:44,960
for real property and vacant building

3600
02:28:44,960 --> 02:28:47,760
deduction were not filed timely and that

3601
02:28:47,760 --> 02:28:52,560
the uh form 322s for both real property

3602
02:28:52,560 --> 02:28:54,000
and vacant building deduction were not

3603
02:28:54,000 --> 02:28:58,319
filed timely. It was a a result of a

3604
02:28:58,319 --> 02:29:01,760
changeover in their accounting staff who

3605
02:29:01,760 --> 02:29:05,840
was using my my old email address that

3606
02:29:05,840 --> 02:29:09,120
was updated last spring. And so

3607
02:29:09,120 --> 02:29:12,800
immediately he contacted me by phone um

3608
02:29:12,800 --> 02:29:15,439
and worked with Clarence Hulse of the

3609
02:29:15,439 --> 02:29:19,520
EDC. Uh I had the forms and paperwork

3610
02:29:19,520 --> 02:29:22,240
completed that afternoon. uh it was

3611
02:29:22,240 --> 02:29:26,080
filed with the auditor on September 28th

3612
02:29:26,080 --> 02:29:28,640
and then filed with the city on the

3613
02:29:28,640 --> 02:29:32,479
29th. He uh regrets that it happened. He

3614
02:29:32,479 --> 02:29:34,800
pay he is will be paying for all the

3615
02:29:34,800 --> 02:29:36,960
resolution costs and all the costs

3616
02:29:36,960 --> 02:29:40,880
associated with the untimely filing and

3617
02:29:40,880 --> 02:29:43,680
um paid for the resolutions to be

3618
02:29:43,680 --> 02:29:45,760
prepared and draft for legal review and

3619
02:29:45,760 --> 02:29:48,640
your consideration this evening. So the

3620
02:29:48,640 --> 02:29:51,520
resolution is very specific u madame

3621
02:29:51,520 --> 02:29:55,359
chair and president that no further

3622
02:29:55,359 --> 02:29:58,319
waiverss of an untimely filing would

3623
02:29:58,319 --> 02:30:00,880
occur and again just for all the

3624
02:30:00,880 --> 02:30:03,359
council's understanding this is a waiver

3625
02:30:03,359 --> 02:30:06,960
to um waiver for the untimely filing.

3626
02:30:06,960 --> 02:30:08,800
They would if approved they would

3627
02:30:08,800 --> 02:30:10,800
receive their deduction as they have for

3628
02:30:10,800 --> 02:30:13,760
the past uh four years. They've never

3629
02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:16,319
missed a deadline. Uh and they also have

3630
02:30:16,319 --> 02:30:19,040
an imposed fee of 15% of their savings

3631
02:30:19,040 --> 02:30:21,359
which they've always paid timely and

3632
02:30:21,359 --> 02:30:23,280
they would continue to pay that uh

3633
02:30:23,280 --> 02:30:25,520
imposed fee to the auditor and then that

3634
02:30:25,520 --> 02:30:29,760
is distributed back to the uh city uh

3635
02:30:29,760 --> 02:30:32,560
city's redevelopment commission.

3636
02:30:32,560 --> 02:30:34,000
If there's any questions I'd be more

3637
02:30:34,000 --> 02:30:37,760
than happy I would request uh uh

3638
02:30:37,760 --> 02:30:39,520
confirmation and approval of the

3639
02:30:39,520 --> 02:30:40,960
resolution.

3640
02:30:40,960 --> 02:30:42,240
>> Thank you Mr. Bodic.

3641
02:30:42,240 --> 02:30:53,110
>> Oh you are welcome.

3642
02:30:53,120 --> 02:30:56,479
John Carrington 140 Street. I just have

3643
02:30:56,479 --> 02:30:59,120
a quick comment. I heard I I believe I

3644
02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:02,000
heard Mr. Beatri mentioned earlier this

3645
02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:04,240
evening that one of the reasons this

3646
02:31:04,240 --> 02:31:06,560
aquagenics company can't keep employees

3647
02:31:06,560 --> 02:31:07,920
was that people come and work there for

3648
02:31:07,920 --> 02:31:09,359
2 days or something like that and then

3649
02:31:09,359 --> 02:31:11,840
leave or they come and work for a short

3650
02:31:11,840 --> 02:31:14,240
period of time and then go on public

3651
02:31:14,240 --> 02:31:17,600
benefits or something like that and I I

3652
02:31:17,600 --> 02:31:19,520
thought how did how would they possibly

3653
02:31:19,520 --> 02:31:23,040
know this? That's quite a bit of uh

3654
02:31:23,040 --> 02:31:24,720
knowledge that a company would have when

3655
02:31:24,720 --> 02:31:27,120
somebody leaves a job to to know that

3656
02:31:27,120 --> 02:31:28,720
they're going on public benefit. And I

3657
02:31:28,720 --> 02:31:31,680
wonder what that means. It sounds to me

3658
02:31:31,680 --> 02:31:33,520
like kind of a disdain for people who

3659
02:31:33,520 --> 02:31:35,840
collect public benefits, maybe disabled

3660
02:31:35,840 --> 02:31:38,160
people or something like that. So, how

3661
02:31:38,160 --> 02:31:40,720
would a company know that somebody who

3662
02:31:40,720 --> 02:31:42,319
left their employee after just a few

3663
02:31:42,319 --> 02:31:45,439
days went on public benefits? That kind

3664
02:31:45,439 --> 02:31:46,880
of disturbed me and I thought I'd say

3665
02:31:46,880 --> 02:31:48,000
something.

3666
02:31:48,000 --> 02:31:53,510
>> Thank you, Miss K.

3667
02:31:53,520 --> 02:31:55,040
» Hello, Scott Melon. Hello, council.

3668
02:31:55,040 --> 02:31:56,800
Scott me kind of place. Long time no

3669
02:31:56,800 --> 02:31:59,439
see. long night um about the abatement.

3670
02:31:59,439 --> 02:32:02,080
If this company was um meeting the

3671
02:32:02,080 --> 02:32:04,720
standards of the abatement, I would

3672
02:32:04,720 --> 02:32:06,640
think we should not let a paperwork

3673
02:32:06,640 --> 02:32:08,160
sniff get in the way. But if they are

3674
02:32:08,160 --> 02:32:10,319
not meeting their commitments, I think

3675
02:32:10,319 --> 02:32:13,280
you should deny this tonight if I have

3676
02:32:13,280 --> 02:32:15,120
an understanding of this. If they're

3677
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:16,240
doing what they're supposed to do, let's

3678
02:32:16,240 --> 02:32:17,840
not let our paperwork snafu get in the

3679
02:32:17,840 --> 02:32:19,040
way. If they're not doing what they're

3680
02:32:19,040 --> 02:32:20,399
supposed to do, they don't deserve the

3681
02:32:20,399 --> 02:32:22,240
abatement. It's that simple. Thank you.

3682
02:32:22,240 --> 02:32:25,510
>> Thank you.

3683
02:32:25,520 --> 02:32:27,840
We have one online. Mr. Kavic.

3684
02:32:27,840 --> 02:32:31,200
>> Hey. Yeah. This is Tommy Kavik from 1316

3685
02:32:31,200 --> 02:32:33,359
Ohio Street. To me, this sounds like a

3686
02:32:33,359 --> 02:32:35,760
really crappy place to work. I don't

3687
02:32:35,760 --> 02:32:37,439
think people in Michigan City want to

3688
02:32:37,439 --> 02:32:39,840
work for you. You all you council

3689
02:32:39,840 --> 02:32:41,760
members, even all the past council

3690
02:32:41,760 --> 02:32:44,479
members from years ago, you keep on

3691
02:32:44,479 --> 02:32:46,880
granting all these tax abatements to all

3692
02:32:46,880 --> 02:32:48,960
these companies up until the day they

3693
02:32:48,960 --> 02:32:51,920
all pull out. And I I bet this is not

3694
02:32:51,920 --> 02:32:55,200
even a union shop. So, I I hope you all

3695
02:32:55,200 --> 02:32:57,920
just vote this down. I you know me, I'm

3696
02:32:57,920 --> 02:33:00,160
not a big fan of the tax abatements.

3697
02:33:00,160 --> 02:33:01,359
Thank you.

3698
02:33:01,359 --> 02:33:04,960
>> Thank you, Mr. Kavik.

3699
02:33:04,960 --> 02:33:06,560
This will be the last call for public

3700
02:33:06,560 --> 02:33:08,080
comment.

3701
02:33:08,080 --> 02:33:10,080
Public comments are now closed. Comments

3702
02:33:10,080 --> 02:33:11,920
from the council.

3703
02:33:11,920 --> 02:33:13,920
Councilman Prince Bolinski.

3704
02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:15,760
>> Yeah, I I do have a question of the

3705
02:33:15,760 --> 02:33:18,479
gentleman that was uh

3706
02:33:18,479 --> 02:33:22,960
here representing uh the company. So,

3707
02:33:22,960 --> 02:33:25,439
how much would the uh if this waiver is

3708
02:33:25,439 --> 02:33:27,280
not granted, how much does the company

3709
02:33:27,280 --> 02:33:29,920
have to pay in fines?

3710
02:33:29,920 --> 02:33:32,399
>> Uh there would councilman there would be

3711
02:33:32,399 --> 02:33:34,880
no fines that would be associated with

3712
02:33:34,880 --> 02:33:38,080
the deduction being applied. The audit

3713
02:33:38,080 --> 02:33:41,120
office of the auditor would uh accept

3714
02:33:41,120 --> 02:33:45,280
the form CF1 and would accept the form

3715
02:33:45,280 --> 02:33:49,760
322 as filed untimely as being waved as

3716
02:33:49,760 --> 02:33:52,080
an unttimely and file and and consider

3717
02:33:52,080 --> 02:33:54,800
the deduction to their gross assessed

3718
02:33:54,800 --> 02:33:59,120
value as if it was filed timely. There's never been a fine. There's no

3719
02:33:59,120 --> 02:34:02,080
statutory fine required. So what would

3720
02:34:02,080 --> 02:34:05,280
be the deduction to their

3721
02:34:05,280 --> 02:34:10,720
>> the total deduction was included uh in

3722
02:34:10,720 --> 02:34:15,280
the packet. Um so the deduction for the

3723
02:34:15,280 --> 02:34:17,120
uh let me get it let me get it. So, the

3724
02:34:17,120 --> 02:34:18,560
deduction for the vacant building

3725
02:34:18,560 --> 02:34:21,359
deduction um that is also on the agenda

3726
02:34:21,359 --> 02:34:25,680
was 1 I'm going to round 1.56 million of

3727
02:34:25,680 --> 02:34:29,760
assessed value and the deduction for the

3728
02:34:29,760 --> 02:34:31,760
real property improvements made to the

3729
02:34:31,760 --> 02:34:33,439
building because it had previously been

3730
02:34:33,439 --> 02:34:37,359
an unoccupied building were is uh 2

3731
02:34:37,359 --> 02:34:40,000
million8 $2.89

3732
02:34:40,000 --> 02:34:41,520
million.

3733
02:34:41,520 --> 02:34:45,359
Um so that uh I I apologize I have that

3734
02:34:45,359 --> 02:34:47,840
wrong. The vacant building deduction is

3735
02:34:47,840 --> 02:34:51,120
1.56 million. The real property

3736
02:34:51,120 --> 02:34:53,600
deduction is 1.3 million and the total

3737
02:34:53,600 --> 02:34:56,240
is 2.8 million. Uh if you add them

3738
02:34:56,240 --> 02:34:58,479
together because it's under one key

3739
02:34:58,479 --> 02:35:01,200
number and so they have to they have to

3740
02:35:01,200 --> 02:35:03,520
calculate them separately and then add

3741
02:35:03,520 --> 02:35:06,240
sum them together to for the total.

3742
02:35:06,240 --> 02:35:06,720
They're uh

3743
02:35:06,720 --> 02:35:08,000
>> okay

3744
02:35:08,000 --> 02:35:10,399
>> their total qualified investment is 5.7

3745
02:35:10,399 --> 02:35:13,040
million. They're at a 50-year uh their

3746
02:35:13,040 --> 02:35:15,600
abatement percentage is at 50% in year

3747
02:35:15,600 --> 02:35:16,160
five.

3748
02:35:16,160 --> 02:35:17,359
>> All right. All right. So, if they don't

3749
02:35:17,359 --> 02:35:19,600
get this wave, then they won't be able

3750
02:35:19,600 --> 02:35:21,760
to take this deduction of 2.8 million.

3751
02:35:21,760 --> 02:35:22,960
Is that what you're saying?

3752
02:35:22,960 --> 02:35:24,800
>> Correct.

3753
02:35:24,800 --> 02:35:27,439
>> Okay. Let me ask you. So, besides the

3754
02:35:27,439 --> 02:35:31,359
accounting snafu that was used uh as an

3755
02:35:31,359 --> 02:35:33,760
excuse, how come it took like 8 months

3756
02:35:33,760 --> 02:35:37,040
to get this thing filed? Right? It's

3757
02:35:37,040 --> 02:35:39,600
supposed to be filed in January and it

3758
02:35:39,600 --> 02:35:42,000
didn't get filed until

3759
02:35:42,000 --> 02:35:43,439
September, right?

3760
02:35:43,439 --> 02:35:50,479
>> So, the auditor will then look at all the form CF1s and

3761
02:35:50,479 --> 02:35:53,200
all the 322s that are filed. And this

3762
02:35:53,200 --> 02:35:57,520
evening, the um the city council was to

3763
02:35:57,520 --> 02:35:59,600
consider the form CF1s which you

3764
02:35:59,600 --> 02:36:01,920
approved. Once the auditor receives

3765
02:36:01,920 --> 02:36:04,640
those CF1s, they then apply the

3766
02:36:04,640 --> 02:36:07,439
deduction. And when

3767
02:36:07,439 --> 02:36:09,200
>> I understand that what what my question

3768
02:36:09,200 --> 02:36:12,640
is what my question is is why it took so

3769
02:36:12,640 --> 02:36:15,439
long after they they didn't do in

3770
02:36:15,439 --> 02:36:17,439
January but it didn't get filed until

3771
02:36:17,439 --> 02:36:20,240
September. That's where I'm having a

3772
02:36:20,240 --> 02:36:22,720
problem with this. If you're running a

3773
02:36:22,720 --> 02:36:24,479
company, there should be some checks and

3774
02:36:24,479 --> 02:36:27,040
balances to make sure that you're filing

3775
02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:29,040
whatever you're supposed to be filing.

3776
02:36:29,040 --> 02:36:30,880
But then if you don't get filed, if it

3777
02:36:30,880 --> 02:36:33,280
doesn't get filed properly, then well,

3778
02:36:33,280 --> 02:36:35,600
we'll just go to the city and we'll go

3779
02:36:35,600 --> 02:36:38,080
to the economic development corporation.

3780
02:36:38,080 --> 02:36:39,920
They'll come to the council and we'll

3781
02:36:39,920 --> 02:36:42,399
get this deduction put in and we won't

3782
02:36:42,399 --> 02:36:43,680
have to worry about it because the

3783
02:36:43,680 --> 02:36:46,640
council will automatically uh red stamp

3784
02:36:46,640 --> 02:36:48,880
it and be done with it. That's my

3785
02:36:48,880 --> 02:36:49,439
concern.

3786
02:36:49,439 --> 02:36:49,760
>> Okay.

3787
02:36:49,760 --> 02:36:51,680
>> But I appreciate your answer, sir.

3788
02:36:51,680 --> 02:36:58,000
>> No, no. the councilman, if I may, the forms are due May 10th and May 15th.

3789
02:36:58,000 --> 02:37:00,240
And by the time the auditor reviews them

3790
02:37:00,240 --> 02:37:02,319
usually in the beginning of August,

3791
02:37:02,319 --> 02:37:03,840
that's when I reached out to make sure

3792
02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:06,080
everything was filed for all the

3793
02:37:06,080 --> 02:37:07,760
businesses. And that's when kinetic

3794
02:37:07,760 --> 02:37:10,000
resources showed up as not being filed

3795
02:37:10,000 --> 02:37:11,760
and that's when we contacted them to get

3796
02:37:11,760 --> 02:37:13,520
everything in order.

3797
02:37:13,520 --> 02:37:14,080
>> Okay. Thank you.

3798
02:37:14,080 --> 02:37:16,399
>> And it took time. It took a little

3799
02:37:16,399 --> 02:37:17,760
>> You're welcome, Councilman.

3800
02:37:17,760 --> 02:37:18,880
>> Yeah.

3801
02:37:18,880 --> 02:37:20,479
>> Are there any other comments from the

3802
02:37:20,479 --> 02:37:22,319
council? If there are none, may I

3803
02:37:22,319 --> 02:37:23,760
entertain a motion?

3804
02:37:23,760 --> 02:37:25,920
>> It's motion to approve.

3805
02:37:25,920 --> 02:37:28,479
>> Is there a second? Support. Madame clerk

3806
02:37:28,479 --> 02:37:31,680
on the vote, please.

3807
02:37:31,680 --> 02:37:33,200
>> Miss Chilman,

3808
02:37:33,200 --> 02:37:34,240
>> I.

3809
02:37:34,240 --> 02:37:35,520
>> Mr. Beatatri,

3810
02:37:35,520 --> 02:37:35,920
>> I

3811
02:37:35,920 --> 02:37:36,720
>> Mr. Coulter.

3812
02:37:36,720 --> 02:37:37,120
>> Hi,

3813
02:37:37,120 --> 02:37:38,000
>> Mr. Dabney.

3814
02:37:38,000 --> 02:37:38,399
>> Hi,

3815
02:37:38,399 --> 02:37:39,200
>> Dr. Cora.

3816
02:37:39,200 --> 02:37:39,600
>> Hi,

3817
02:37:39,600 --> 02:37:40,240
>> Miss Lee.

3818
02:37:40,240 --> 02:37:40,640
>> Hi,

3819
02:37:40,640 --> 02:37:42,160
>> Miss Moldenour.

3820
02:37:42,160 --> 02:37:43,920
>> Hi.

3821
02:37:43,920 --> 02:37:45,200
>> Mr. Nelson,

3822
02:37:45,200 --> 02:37:46,560
>> nay.

3823
02:37:46,560 --> 02:37:50,640
>> And Mr. President nay.

3824
02:37:50,640 --> 02:37:55,439
>> We have seven in favor and two oppos.

3825
02:37:55,439 --> 02:37:59,040
>> And this resolution has passed as well

3826
02:37:59,040 --> 02:38:01,359
for the record. Madame clerk, our next

3827
02:38:01,359 --> 02:38:03,840
resolution by title only, please.

3828
02:38:03,840 --> 02:38:06,160
>> Resolution by title only. A resolution

3829
02:38:06,160 --> 02:38:08,240
of the city of Michigan City, Indiana

3830
02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:10,399
common council granting a waiver of

3831
02:38:10,399 --> 02:38:12,960
non-compliance pursuant to Indiana code

3832
02:38:12,960 --> 02:38:16,870
6-11-121-9.5

3833
02:38:16,880 --> 02:38:19,600
with respect to an assessed valuation

3834
02:38:19,600 --> 02:38:22,080
vacant building deduction tax abatement

3835
02:38:22,080 --> 02:38:25,760
for the tangible real property of Kitech

3836
02:38:25,760 --> 02:38:29,120
Resources LLC DBA Aquagogenics

3837
02:38:29,120 --> 02:38:31,680
technologies and this is also introduced

3838
02:38:31,680 --> 02:38:35,030
by Mr.

3839
02:38:35,040 --> 02:38:37,439
And would the sponsor like to make any

3840
02:38:37,439 --> 02:38:39,280
comment?

3841
02:38:39,280 --> 02:38:41,760
>> This is the second of the two abatements

3842
02:38:41,760 --> 02:38:44,240
that Aquagenics has had for the last

3843
02:38:44,240 --> 02:38:48,000
four years. They've been filing on time.

3844
02:38:48,000 --> 02:38:50,399
You've heard the reasons why it wasn't

3845
02:38:50,399 --> 02:38:53,040
filed on time when we discussed this

3846
02:38:53,040 --> 02:38:57,520
last one. Uh the gist of it is was

3847
02:38:57,520 --> 02:38:59,280
stated by someone in the community.

3848
02:38:59,280 --> 02:39:03,600
They're they're a good a good partner

3849
02:39:03,600 --> 02:39:07,359
for Michigan City. Um

3850
02:39:07,359 --> 02:39:08,960
they've done nothing wrong. They're

3851
02:39:08,960 --> 02:39:10,479
meeting the requirements of the

3852
02:39:10,479 --> 02:39:12,960
abatement. The only thing that was aired

3853
02:39:12,960 --> 02:39:16,080
done in error was the fail to uh to file

3854
02:39:16,080 --> 02:39:18,960
on time and that was done because of

3855
02:39:18,960 --> 02:39:23,840
errors explained by Mr. So I

3856
02:39:23,840 --> 02:39:26,319
recommend that we approve it.

3857
02:39:26,319 --> 02:39:29,200
>> Thank you, Mr. B. Councilman Vry, I will

3858
02:39:29,200 --> 02:39:31,760
now um open this up for public comment.

3859
02:39:31,760 --> 02:39:33,520
Are there any public comments on this

3860
02:39:33,520 --> 02:39:38,000
ordinance?

3861
02:39:38,000 --> 02:39:41,600
This um resolution? Are there any public

3862
02:39:41,600 --> 02:39:44,080
comments on this resolution? If there

3863
02:39:44,080 --> 02:39:45,600
are none, public comments are now

3864
02:39:45,600 --> 02:39:48,800
closed. Comments from the council.

3865
02:39:48,800 --> 02:39:50,240
Are there any comments from the council?

3866
02:39:50,240 --> 02:39:51,120
Councilman.

3867
02:39:51,120 --> 02:39:53,439
>> Yeah, Madam President. Yeah, Madame

3868
02:39:53,439 --> 02:39:56,000
President. Uh, if the representative is

3869
02:39:56,000 --> 02:39:58,160
still on

3870
02:39:58,160 --> 02:40:01,120
for kinetic resources,

3871
02:40:01,120 --> 02:40:03,439
are we talking about the same amount,

3872
02:40:03,439 --> 02:40:06,319
the $2.8 million?

3873
02:40:06,319 --> 02:40:09,760
>> Yes. uh councilman. So the deduction

3874
02:40:09,760 --> 02:40:12,399
amount that would be specific to the

3875
02:40:12,399 --> 02:40:15,280
real property improvements because what

3876
02:40:15,280 --> 02:40:18,560
had happened is they I they relocated

3877
02:40:18,560 --> 02:40:20,800
their manufacturing facilities from

3878
02:40:20,800 --> 02:40:23,600
Illinois from a suburb in Illinois to

3879
02:40:23,600 --> 02:40:26,080
Indiana specifically Michigan City and

3880
02:40:26,080 --> 02:40:28,399
they occupied a previously vacant

3881
02:40:28,399 --> 02:40:29,920
building and made improvements to that

3882
02:40:29,920 --> 02:40:32,640
building. The deduction on the real

3883
02:40:32,640 --> 02:40:36,399
property improvements is $1.3 million.

3884
02:40:36,399 --> 02:40:38,000
Now, that's a deduction amount. That's

3885
02:40:38,000 --> 02:40:40,560
not a tax savings. That's the deduction

3886
02:40:40,560 --> 02:40:44,800
amount from their gross AV.

3887
02:40:44,800 --> 02:40:47,040
>> Thank you. You're welcome.

3888
02:40:47,040 --> 02:40:48,479
>> Are there any other comments from the

3889
02:40:48,479 --> 02:40:50,080
council?

3890
02:40:50,080 --> 02:40:51,520
Councilman Dabney?

3891
02:40:51,520 --> 02:40:53,439
>> Yeah. U just wanted to say real quick

3892
02:40:53,439 --> 02:40:56,640
and and once again, uh as uh Mr. Mr.

3893
02:40:56,640 --> 02:40:59,120
Melon came up and and stated if they're

3894
02:40:59,120 --> 02:41:03,120
meeting all of the the qualifications to

3895
02:41:03,120 --> 02:41:05,120
receive the abatement, but they just

3896
02:41:05,120 --> 02:41:07,680
happen to file this this information

3897
02:41:07,680 --> 02:41:10,479
late. Uh but they are meeting and what

3898
02:41:10,479 --> 02:41:12,080
happens and what goes into tax

3899
02:41:12,080 --> 02:41:13,600
abatements when the agreement comes

3900
02:41:13,600 --> 02:41:15,920
down. Um a lot of times there's

3901
02:41:15,920 --> 02:41:17,680
agreement of how many people they're

3902
02:41:17,680 --> 02:41:19,359
going to hire, how much investment

3903
02:41:19,359 --> 02:41:21,280
they're going to make into the city and

3904
02:41:21,280 --> 02:41:23,840
so forth. that if they're meeting these

3905
02:41:23,840 --> 02:41:25,600
things, uh, but they just happen to file

3906
02:41:25,600 --> 02:41:28,560
late, I see no reason not to go ahead

3907
02:41:28,560 --> 02:41:31,359
and approve. Um, but, you know, if they

3908
02:41:31,359 --> 02:41:33,200
tell us they're going to hire 150 people

3909
02:41:33,200 --> 02:41:35,520
and they hire two people, you know,

3910
02:41:35,520 --> 02:41:38,640
obviously, you know, you you've um shook

3911
02:41:38,640 --> 02:41:40,160
your duties of of meeting the the

3912
02:41:40,160 --> 02:41:43,120
abatement, but that's what happened. If they're meeting the abatement with

3913
02:41:43,120 --> 02:41:46,000
all of those uh qualifying things in

3914
02:41:46,000 --> 02:41:47,200
terms of hiring people, making

3915
02:41:47,200 --> 02:41:48,800
investments into Michigan City and so

3916
02:41:48,800 --> 02:41:50,640
forth, um, I think it should it needs to

3917
02:41:50,640 --> 02:41:52,240
be improved. uh just because of late

3918
02:41:52,240 --> 02:41:53,760
paperwork. Uh I don't think that we

3919
02:41:53,760 --> 02:41:55,600
should deny. I think we should approve.

3920
02:41:55,600 --> 02:41:57,439
>> Thank you, Councilman Dabney. If there

3921
02:41:57,439 --> 02:42:00,560
are no further uh questions or comments

3922
02:42:00,560 --> 02:42:02,399
um for discussion, may I entertain a

3923
02:42:02,399 --> 02:42:02,800
motion?

3924
02:42:02,800 --> 02:42:05,040
>> Motion to approve support.

3925
02:42:05,040 --> 02:42:07,439
>> Madame Clerk on the vote, please. Mr.

3926
02:42:07,439 --> 02:42:08,479
Beatric,

3927
02:42:08,479 --> 02:42:08,800
>> I

3928
02:42:08,800 --> 02:42:09,600
>> Mr. Culture.

3929
02:42:09,600 --> 02:42:10,000
>> Hi.

3930
02:42:10,000 --> 02:42:11,439
>> Mr. Dabney,

3931
02:42:11,439 --> 02:42:11,920
>> I

3932
02:42:11,920 --> 02:42:12,800
>> Dr. Corora.

3933
02:42:12,800 --> 02:42:13,200
>> Hi.

3934
02:42:13,200 --> 02:42:14,080
>> Miss Lee,

3935
02:42:14,080 --> 02:42:16,000
>> I miss Moldenau.

3936
02:42:16,000 --> 02:42:17,280
>> I

3937
02:42:17,280 --> 02:42:20,720
>> Mr. Nelson. Nay,

3938
02:42:20,720 --> 02:42:22,160
>> Mr. President Bolinski.

3939
02:42:22,160 --> 02:42:22,880
>> Nay.

3940
02:42:22,880 --> 02:42:23,920
>> And Miss Tman.

3941
02:42:23,920 --> 02:42:24,960
>> I.

3942
02:42:24,960 --> 02:42:31,030
>> We have seven in favor and two opposed.

3943
02:42:31,040 --> 02:42:32,880
» Madame Clerk, if you would please. I'm

3944
02:42:32,880 --> 02:42:35,280
sorry. That resolution has passed.

3945
02:42:35,280 --> 02:42:37,040
Madame Clerk, if you would please. Our

3946
02:42:37,040 --> 02:42:39,760
next resolution by title only, please.

3947
02:42:39,760 --> 02:42:42,160
>> A resolution by title only. a resolution

3948
02:42:42,160 --> 02:42:44,080
of the Michigan City Council in support

3949
02:42:44,080 --> 02:42:47,439
of the 2026 Michigan City area school

3950
02:42:47,439 --> 02:42:49,439
referendum. And this is introduced by

3951
02:42:49,439 --> 02:42:51,359
Mr. Dabney, Mr. Beatatri, Miss

3952
02:42:51,359 --> 02:42:54,399
Maldenhower, and Mr. President Valinski.

3953
02:42:54,399 --> 02:42:56,319
>> And would the sponsors like to make any

3954
02:42:56,319 --> 02:42:59,280
comments?

3955
02:42:59,280 --> 02:43:00,560
Councilman Dabney.

3956
02:43:00,560 --> 02:43:03,040
>> Yes. Uh I've actually spoken about this

3957
02:43:03,040 --> 02:43:04,319
before. Some of the other council

3958
02:43:04,319 --> 02:43:07,920
members u chimed in as well. This is uh

3959
02:43:07,920 --> 02:43:09,520
the referendum that is happening with

3960
02:43:09,520 --> 02:43:12,399
Michigan City area schools and uh I

3961
02:43:12,399 --> 02:43:14,399
actually you know came at this from a

3962
02:43:14,399 --> 02:43:17,760
different angle. Um when I was on the

3963
02:43:17,760 --> 02:43:20,560
board uh now uh you know Councilman Dr.

3964
02:43:20,560 --> 02:43:21,760
of course sits on the board of the

3965
02:43:21,760 --> 02:43:23,359
EDCMC.

3966
02:43:23,359 --> 02:43:26,319
Um there are times when we're brought

3967
02:43:26,319 --> 02:43:28,240
out to talk to businesses who are

3968
02:43:28,240 --> 02:43:30,080
thinking about relocating into Michigan

3969
02:43:30,080 --> 02:43:32,720
City, coming into the city, and one of

3970
02:43:32,720 --> 02:43:35,359
the questions that they ask is they want

3971
02:43:35,359 --> 02:43:38,960
to know um you know what's going on with the school system, your public

3972
02:43:38,960 --> 02:43:42,479
school system. And so I wanted to kind

3973
02:43:42,479 --> 02:43:45,040
of bring another angle. You know, this

3974
02:43:45,040 --> 02:43:47,200
is for funding of teachers and to make

3975
02:43:47,200 --> 02:43:51,359
sure they're able to keep programs and things of that sort going uh so that

3976
02:43:51,359 --> 02:43:54,399
our our our students can continue uh to

3977
02:43:54,399 --> 02:43:58,000
learn valuable um you receive valuable

3978
02:43:58,000 --> 02:44:00,240
educational content and move forward in

3979
02:44:00,240 --> 02:44:02,960
life. And I I think this is extremely

3980
02:44:02,960 --> 02:44:04,399
important for the city of Michigan City.

3981
02:44:04,399 --> 02:44:06,880
This is their third referendum and I

3982
02:44:06,880 --> 02:44:09,439
can't remember exactly how long and we

3983
02:44:09,439 --> 02:44:11,520
really need this in order to fund once

3984
02:44:11,520 --> 02:44:14,080
again to keep the teachers and so forth

3985
02:44:14,080 --> 02:44:16,319
um at our schools. You know, we've had

3986
02:44:16,319 --> 02:44:18,960
the the the people when I was a guidance

3987
02:44:18,960 --> 02:44:19,920
counselor at one point they would come

3988
02:44:19,920 --> 02:44:22,160
and say, "Why do I have 35 kids in my in

3989
02:44:22,160 --> 02:44:24,319
my class, you know, with my student?"

3990
02:44:24,319 --> 02:44:25,920
And these are reasons why when you

3991
02:44:25,920 --> 02:44:27,600
cannot afford the proper amount of

3992
02:44:27,600 --> 02:44:29,040
teachers in order to keep those classes

3993
02:44:29,040 --> 02:44:31,520
small. um and we're looking at

3994
02:44:31,520 --> 02:44:33,279
devastating cuts that could happen uh

3995
02:44:33,279 --> 02:44:34,960
based on some of the state laws and you

3996
02:44:34,960 --> 02:44:36,560
know the the drainage of the dollars

3997
02:44:36,560 --> 02:44:37,840
that are going into the public school

3998
02:44:37,840 --> 02:44:39,920
systems. So I think it's very important

3999
02:44:39,920 --> 02:44:41,760
um that we do this and get this in

4000
02:44:41,760 --> 02:44:43,359
support of Michigan City area schools

4001
02:44:43,359 --> 02:44:46,160
which happens to be a partner of the

4002
02:44:46,160 --> 02:44:48,560
schools the council I mean u you know

4003
02:44:48,560 --> 02:44:51,439
the city and the council and so forth.

4004
02:44:51,439 --> 02:44:54,240
>> Thank you Councilman Davney. Any other

4005
02:44:54,240 --> 02:44:57,200
sponsors? Councilman Prisbolinski.

4006
02:44:57,200 --> 02:45:00,000
>> Yeah. Thank you madam president. Well,

4007
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:02,560
first of all, [clears throat] in my

4008
02:45:02,560 --> 02:45:07,040
mind, this is a uh a real problem. And

4009
02:45:07,040 --> 02:45:09,439
it all started with the uh governor of

4010
02:45:09,439 --> 02:45:12,560
Indiana and the Republican state house

4011
02:45:12,560 --> 02:45:16,000
with uh bill SB1 in the in the funding

4012
02:45:16,000 --> 02:45:19,120
cuts to the state cuz we want to make

4013
02:45:19,120 --> 02:45:21,680
sure we're not spending too much money

4014
02:45:21,680 --> 02:45:25,120
on our education on our children or on

4015
02:45:25,120 --> 02:45:27,040
the teachers that have to teach these

4016
02:45:27,040 --> 02:45:32,319
children. Uh so that's where it starts.

4017
02:45:32,319 --> 02:45:34,240
But uh like other things that have come

4018
02:45:34,240 --> 02:45:36,720
before this council and we've had to

4019
02:45:36,720 --> 02:45:39,200
raise rates. We've had to put in a wheel

4020
02:45:39,200 --> 02:45:41,600
tax because that's what the govern

4021
02:45:41,600 --> 02:45:43,520
governor said or you're not getting any

4022
02:45:43,520 --> 02:45:46,479
other money for anything else. Well,

4023
02:45:46,479 --> 02:45:48,560
basically this is the same thing because

4024
02:45:48,560 --> 02:45:50,160
what they're telling us down in

4025
02:45:50,160 --> 02:45:52,720
Indianapolis is that if you want better

4026
02:45:52,720 --> 02:45:54,160
schools, we're going to cut your

4027
02:45:54,160 --> 02:45:56,560
funding, but you got to make up the

4028
02:45:56,560 --> 02:46:00,000
difference. basically a referendum and

4029
02:46:00,000 --> 02:46:02,319
that and that's what we're doing here

4030
02:46:02,319 --> 02:46:05,520
and I I forget and councilman Dabney I

4031
02:46:05,520 --> 02:46:06,960
don't know if you can remember how much

4032
02:46:06,960 --> 02:46:10,160
exactly I know that when uh window

4033
02:46:10,160 --> 02:46:12,160
mullum was here speaking before us it

4034
02:46:12,160 --> 02:46:15,840
was like I don't know $5 a month or it

4035
02:46:15,840 --> 02:46:18,319
wasn't very a lot of money it wasn't a

4036
02:46:18,319 --> 02:46:19,439
lot of money but

4037
02:46:19,439 --> 02:46:20,640
>> 50 cents a month

4038
02:46:20,640 --> 02:46:22,560
>> pardon

4039
02:46:22,560 --> 02:46:25,439
50 cents a month 50 cents a month is

4040
02:46:25,439 --> 02:46:28,479
what this referendum is going to uh do.

4041
02:46:28,479 --> 02:46:30,560
I thought it would be a lot higher than

4042
02:46:30,560 --> 02:46:32,800
50 cents a month. Uh

4043
02:46:32,800 --> 02:46:33,920
>> it is

4044
02:46:33,920 --> 02:46:36,240
>> my wife being a school teacher, a

4045
02:46:36,240 --> 02:46:38,240
retired school teacher, and many of her

4046
02:46:38,240 --> 02:46:42,399
friends. Uh in my mind, school teachers

4047
02:46:42,399 --> 02:46:44,880
should be getting paid a lot more than a

4048
02:46:44,880 --> 02:46:46,960
lot of other professions cuz they're the

4049
02:46:46,960 --> 02:46:49,040
ones that are educating our k children

4050
02:46:49,040 --> 02:46:53,520
and bringing our children up. Uh

4051
02:46:53,520 --> 02:46:55,600
we need to do this. I know there were

4052
02:46:55,600 --> 02:46:58,720
signs all over Michigan City to uh

4053
02:46:58,720 --> 02:47:02,240
Michigan MCSA,

4054
02:47:02,240 --> 02:47:05,120
Michigan City Schools. Yeah. Well,

4055
02:47:05,120 --> 02:47:07,520
anyway, that's all about the referendum

4056
02:47:07,520 --> 02:47:10,880
and we need to vote the referendum in

4057
02:47:10,880 --> 02:47:13,120
progressive cities around the state,

4058
02:47:13,120 --> 02:47:16,000
around the area. You take a Valparezo,

4059
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:18,080
you take a Chesterton, you take a Crown

4060
02:47:18,080 --> 02:47:20,960
Point and cities of that nature when

4061
02:47:20,960 --> 02:47:23,279
they have referendums, they get voted

4062
02:47:23,279 --> 02:47:26,160
in. They have money and then the people

4063
02:47:26,160 --> 02:47:29,279
want to invest in their schools. We have

4064
02:47:29,279 --> 02:47:32,080
to do this. We have to invest in our

4065
02:47:32,080 --> 02:47:34,720
schools. If we want a great city and a

4066
02:47:34,720 --> 02:47:37,439
progressive city, then you got to kick

4067
02:47:37,439 --> 02:47:39,279
in and you got to pay and you got to

4068
02:47:39,279 --> 02:47:41,680
make sure that it happens. So that's why

4069
02:47:41,680 --> 02:47:43,680
I'm totally in support of this uh

4070
02:47:43,680 --> 02:47:46,479
referendum and I hopefully on election

4071
02:47:46,479 --> 02:47:48,960
day when you go vote, whenever that may

4072
02:47:48,960 --> 02:47:52,560
be, vote for the referendum. Thank you.

4073
02:47:52,560 --> 02:47:54,880
Councilman Priski. Will any

4074
02:47:54,880 --> 02:47:57,920
other Councilwoman Moldenau?

4075
02:47:57,920 --> 02:48:01,680
>> Thank you, Madame President. Um, for me,

4076
02:48:01,680 --> 02:48:04,880
this is all about our kids and it's

4077
02:48:04,880 --> 02:48:07,840
about the future of our community. Um, I

4078
02:48:07,840 --> 02:48:09,200
worked for the Michigan City Area

4079
02:48:09,200 --> 02:48:12,880
Schools for 15 years as an instructor, a

4080
02:48:12,880 --> 02:48:15,920
teacher, a library media specialist, and

4081
02:48:15,920 --> 02:48:20,800
as a substitute teacher. And I saw daily

4082
02:48:20,800 --> 02:48:23,760
the importance of what all of the staff

4083
02:48:23,760 --> 02:48:25,680
at the Michigan City Area Schools

4084
02:48:25,680 --> 02:48:28,800
provides to our students. And that goes

4085
02:48:28,800 --> 02:48:31,920
down even to the bus drivers and the

4086
02:48:31,920 --> 02:48:34,800
custodians. You never know what

4087
02:48:34,800 --> 02:48:37,200
individual a certain student is going to

4088
02:48:37,200 --> 02:48:40,160
connect with and how that individual is

4089
02:48:40,160 --> 02:48:42,720
going to make an important difference in

4090
02:48:42,720 --> 02:48:46,080
that student's life. And if this

4091
02:48:46,080 --> 02:48:48,960
referendum does not pass, it's probably

4092
02:48:48,960 --> 02:48:51,760
going to affect those online workers in

4093
02:48:51,760 --> 02:48:53,439
the cafeteria,

4094
02:48:53,439 --> 02:48:56,640
in the buses, in maintenance. Those are

4095
02:48:56,640 --> 02:48:57,920
the ones who are probably going to

4096
02:48:57,920 --> 02:49:00,080
suffer the greatest cuts. So, I

4097
02:49:00,080 --> 02:49:02,160
encourage everybody in Michigan City to

4098
02:49:02,160 --> 02:49:05,520
consider this carefully and to vote yes

4099
02:49:05,520 --> 02:49:08,720
on this referendum. I'll have to say

4100
02:49:08,720 --> 02:49:11,040
that the last time this came up in

4101
02:49:11,040 --> 02:49:14,399
Michigan City, I and numerous employees

4102
02:49:14,399 --> 02:49:16,080
in the Michigan City area schools went

4103
02:49:16,080 --> 02:49:18,960
around knocking on a lot of doors and

4104
02:49:18,960 --> 02:49:22,160
ours didn't pass. But surprisingly, as

4105
02:49:22,160 --> 02:49:24,960
Councilman Pris Bolinsky indicated, all

4106
02:49:24,960 --> 02:49:27,359
of the cities around us always pass

4107
02:49:27,359 --> 02:49:29,840
these referendums. And I think it's

4108
02:49:29,840 --> 02:49:33,279
because they realize the economic

4109
02:49:33,279 --> 02:49:38,399
importance of having a strong school

4110
02:49:38,399 --> 02:49:41,359
system. So, I really encourage um our

4111
02:49:41,359 --> 02:49:43,760
council persons to vote in favor of this

4112
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:45,680
and that all Michigan city residents

4113
02:49:45,680 --> 02:49:49,439
when you go vote, please vote yes on

4114
02:49:49,439 --> 02:49:51,439
this particular

4115
02:49:51,439 --> 02:49:53,279
item. Thank you.

4116
02:49:53,279 --> 02:49:55,120
>> Thank you, Councilwoman Modenau.

4117
02:49:55,120 --> 02:49:57,760
Councilman Bedry,

4118
02:49:57,760 --> 02:50:00,240
>> to me that this is really a no-brainer.

4119
02:50:00,240 --> 02:50:03,439
Uh yes, this the state has threatened

4120
02:50:03,439 --> 02:50:05,200
our schools. They threatened all the

4121
02:50:05,200 --> 02:50:06,800
schools in the state of Indiana. They

4122
02:50:06,800 --> 02:50:10,399
threatened us. So, we have to step up.

4123
02:50:10,399 --> 02:50:12,160
We have to man up

4124
02:50:12,160 --> 02:50:13,760
and we have to do what's necessary for

4125
02:50:13,760 --> 02:50:16,319
our kids. Uh I don't know how you could

4126
02:50:16,319 --> 02:50:19,680
vote anything but yes for the referendum

4127
02:50:19,680 --> 02:50:21,359
cuz you care about the kids.

4128
02:50:21,359 --> 02:50:23,279
>> Thank you, Mr. Beard. Councilman Dadley.

4129
02:50:23,279 --> 02:50:25,520
>> Yes. Just real quick, I I went online

4130
02:50:25,520 --> 02:50:28,479
and and found the calculator where you

4131
02:50:28,479 --> 02:50:30,319
could actually calculate what you would

4132
02:50:30,319 --> 02:50:31,840
pay based on the assessed value of your

4133
02:50:31,840 --> 02:50:36,080
home and where Councilwoman um Lee came

4134
02:50:36,080 --> 02:50:38,720
up with the 50 cents a month. And this

4135
02:50:38,720 --> 02:50:42,880
the baseline $200,000 homestead assessed

4136
02:50:42,880 --> 02:50:47,200
value. Total net impact over 8 years

4137
02:50:47,200 --> 02:50:51,840
from 2027 to 2034 would be $48 total.

4138
02:50:51,840 --> 02:50:53,760
That's where the 50 cents a month is

4139
02:50:53,760 --> 02:50:56,479
coming into play. I just wanted to put

4140
02:50:56,479 --> 02:50:58,560
that information out there. How is 50

4141
02:50:58,560 --> 02:51:00,880
cent a month?

4142
02:51:00,880 --> 02:51:05,110
>> Thank you, Councilman Dabney.

4143
02:51:05,120 --> 02:51:07,279
» I'll now have to open this resolution up

4144
02:51:07,279 --> 02:51:08,880
for public comments. Are there any

4145
02:51:08,880 --> 02:51:16,230
public comments on this resolution?

4146
02:51:16,240 --> 02:51:18,240
Roger. Will it be 401 East 7th Street,

4147
02:51:18,240 --> 02:51:22,630
Michigan City, Indiana?

4148
02:51:22,640 --> 02:51:24,880
It It's hard

4149
02:51:24,880 --> 02:51:27,520
to digest numbers

4150
02:51:27,520 --> 02:51:29,920
when you're in any city in the position

4151
02:51:29,920 --> 02:51:32,560
that you are with numbers. So, if you

4152
02:51:32,560 --> 02:51:35,840
want a comparison, I would encourage

4153
02:51:35,840 --> 02:51:37,760
everybody to subscribe to the Post

4154
02:51:37,760 --> 02:51:40,160
Tribune cuz they'll show you the numbers

4155
02:51:40,160 --> 02:51:43,279
across the entire Northwest Indiana.

4156
02:51:43,279 --> 02:51:45,840
They'll tell you the story

4157
02:51:45,840 --> 02:51:48,080
and I think it was in Tuesday's or

4158
02:51:48,080 --> 02:51:51,040
Wednesday's paper. Uh if you want to

4159
02:51:51,040 --> 02:51:53,680
digest the numbers

4160
02:51:53,680 --> 02:51:56,080
cuz it's it's it's more than 50 cents a

4161
02:51:56,080 --> 02:51:59,760
month. It's that's not the issue. The

4162
02:51:59,760 --> 02:52:01,680
issue is

4163
02:52:01,680 --> 02:52:04,080
we're in this position

4164
02:52:04,080 --> 02:52:08,080
because your population is declining.

4165
02:52:08,080 --> 02:52:09,760
That's the whole problem. Everybody's

4166
02:52:09,760 --> 02:52:11,760
scrambling for fees to maintain what we

4167
02:52:11,760 --> 02:52:12,720
have.

4168
02:52:12,720 --> 02:52:15,200
That's just a cold heart reality. So

4169
02:52:15,200 --> 02:52:18,080
it's not the Republican who did it down

4170
02:52:18,080 --> 02:52:21,279
state. He's not attacking you. Every

4171
02:52:21,279 --> 02:52:24,240
city in the state of Indiana

4172
02:52:24,240 --> 02:52:28,319
has been told you have to do less more

4173
02:52:28,319 --> 02:52:30,479
with less.

4174
02:52:30,479 --> 02:52:32,160
Not just not just Michigan City,

4175
02:52:32,160 --> 02:52:34,560
Indiana, not just not just the blue

4176
02:52:34,560 --> 02:52:36,800
cities, the red cities, the pink cities,

4177
02:52:36,800 --> 02:52:38,640
the purple cities. It's across the

4178
02:52:38,640 --> 02:52:40,800
board.

4179
02:52:40,800 --> 02:52:43,920
It it is across the board.

4180
02:52:43,920 --> 02:52:48,960
You you can laugh and scoff however you want to do it. The numbers

4181
02:52:48,960 --> 02:52:50,720
don't lie.

4182
02:52:50,720 --> 02:52:53,359
Okay?

4183
02:52:53,359 --> 02:52:55,600
We we are scrambling in this town. I've

4184
02:52:55,600 --> 02:52:57,120
lived here for 32 years. I'm not a

4185
02:52:57,120 --> 02:52:59,359
native here. The number one thing we

4186
02:52:59,359 --> 02:53:01,359
always did right in this town since I've

4187
02:53:01,359 --> 02:53:04,720
lived here was refu.

4188
02:53:04,720 --> 02:53:07,520
And we're about ready to kill that.

4189
02:53:07,520 --> 02:53:10,000
Okay. That was the number one thing this

4190
02:53:10,000 --> 02:53:12,399
city did better than anybody in

4191
02:53:12,399 --> 02:53:15,120
northwest Indiana anywhere I've ever

4192
02:53:15,120 --> 02:53:18,720
been. Refuge pickup. They picked up

4193
02:53:18,720 --> 02:53:21,359
everything.

4194
02:53:21,359 --> 02:53:22,880
And when you start nickel diamond

4195
02:53:22,880 --> 02:53:25,600
everything people we they don't have the

4196
02:53:25,600 --> 02:53:27,120
money.

4197
02:53:27,120 --> 02:53:29,680
Your county is 40% on aid. Don't look

4198
02:53:29,680 --> 02:53:33,120
off over there. Your county number 40%

4199
02:53:33,120 --> 02:53:35,760
of Leaport County is on some type of

4200
02:53:35,760 --> 02:53:37,920
government assistance.

4201
02:53:37,920 --> 02:53:41,120
Okay, let's start there. Those are cold,

4202
02:53:41,120 --> 02:53:43,520
hard, factual numbers. Some people want

4203
02:53:43,520 --> 02:53:46,800
to blame it on the on the prison.

4204
02:53:46,800 --> 02:53:48,319
Everybody wants to blame it on somebody

4205
02:53:48,319 --> 02:53:52,080
else, okay? The people who are fortunate

4206
02:53:52,080 --> 02:53:55,120
enough to have a job in this town, okay?

4207
02:53:55,120 --> 02:53:57,520
Are footing the bill

4208
02:53:57,520 --> 02:53:59,439
for all of it. And I want to give you

4209
02:53:59,439 --> 02:54:02,640
some simple numbers, okay? Let's just

4210
02:54:02,640 --> 02:54:04,399
say hypothetically

4211
02:54:04,399 --> 02:54:07,359
police and fire consume 30% of your

4212
02:54:07,359 --> 02:54:09,279
budget. Let's just take that number.

4213
02:54:09,279 --> 02:54:12,720
Let's say it's 20%. Okay? Let's say

4214
02:54:12,720 --> 02:54:14,560
that's $30 million a year. Let's say

4215
02:54:14,560 --> 02:54:17,200
it's $25 million a year. Do you know

4216
02:54:17,200 --> 02:54:22,309
that's for less than 200 people?

4217
02:54:22,319 --> 02:54:24,080
It's not sustainable.

4218
02:54:24,080 --> 02:54:26,240
>> Mr. Willoughby, I'm sorry, but your time

4219
02:54:26,240 --> 02:54:27,840
has passed.

4220
02:54:27,840 --> 02:54:29,920
>> It's not sustainable.

4221
02:54:29,920 --> 02:54:38,070
>> Thank you.

4222
02:54:38,080 --> 02:54:41,750
Mr. Willoughby.

4223
02:54:41,760 --> 02:54:45,439
» So, Paul Prisbolinsky, 1716 Washington

4224
02:54:45,439 --> 02:54:48,240
Street, a lifong

4225
02:54:48,240 --> 02:54:51,520
resident of the second ward and also a

4226
02:54:51,520 --> 02:54:56,630
graduate of our system,

4227
02:54:56,640 --> 02:54:58,960
I'll tell you there 1970. I'm not

4228
02:54:58,960 --> 02:55:02,640
ashamed of it. So, this is what I

4229
02:55:02,640 --> 02:55:05,600
received on my They couldn't even put it

4230
02:55:05,600 --> 02:55:07,840
on the door knocker. They laid it on one

4231
02:55:07,840 --> 02:55:11,200
of the tables. There's no documentation

4232
02:55:11,200 --> 02:55:15,040
on this. And you all know what this is.

4233
02:55:15,040 --> 02:55:17,439
There's no

4234
02:55:17,439 --> 02:55:20,399
information anyway on how much money and

4235
02:55:20,399 --> 02:55:23,040
how they're going to spend it. Just all

4236
02:55:23,040 --> 02:55:24,880
ad libs.

4237
02:55:24,880 --> 02:55:27,840
Okay. But I will tell you that Mr.

4238
02:55:27,840 --> 02:55:30,640
Willoughby is not far off. Our poverty

4239
02:55:30,640 --> 02:55:34,560
rate in Michigan City is 19.7%.

4240
02:55:34,560 --> 02:55:38,479
Our retirement income households in city

4241
02:55:38,479 --> 02:55:42,479
Michigan City is 3,500.

4242
02:55:42,479 --> 02:55:46,000
But I in I see there's a report on the

4243
02:55:46,000 --> 02:55:49,760
internet that [clears throat] this is

4244
02:55:49,760 --> 02:55:53,429
going to cost

4245
02:55:53,439 --> 02:55:55,920
a average home

4246
02:55:55,920 --> 02:55:59,279
at 200,000.

4247
02:55:59,279 --> 02:56:01,920
So you got to adjust the tables because

4248
02:56:01,920 --> 02:56:06,319
there's houses more expensive.

4249
02:56:06,319 --> 02:56:08,000
$200

4250
02:56:08,000 --> 02:56:10,880
a year on my property taxes. I don't

4251
02:56:10,880 --> 02:56:12,399
know where you're coming up with that 50

4252
02:56:12,399 --> 02:56:14,240
cents, but I'm I'm believing what I'm

4253
02:56:14,240 --> 02:56:17,040
reading. So, anyway, here's what I am

4254
02:56:17,040 --> 02:56:22,000
going to say tonight. Some of you have

4255
02:56:22,000 --> 02:56:24,922
a problem with even voting on this.

4256
02:56:24,922 --> 02:56:25,520
[snorts]

4257
02:56:25,520 --> 02:56:28,080
You have a conflict. You're receiving

4258
02:56:28,080 --> 02:56:32,560
money from the T state teachers fund in

4259
02:56:32,560 --> 02:56:35,600
your household.

4260
02:56:35,600 --> 02:56:38,160
Mr. Bri, you receive a pension from the

4261
02:56:38,160 --> 02:56:39,680
school system. their personal

4262
02:56:39,680 --> 02:56:41,840
information. Don't disclose that, Mr.

4263
02:56:41,840 --> 02:56:44,479
>> I am making a point of a conflict. I'm

4264
02:56:44,479 --> 02:56:46,240
making a point.

4265
02:56:46,240 --> 02:56:48,880
>> You know who you are

4266
02:56:48,880 --> 02:56:51,600
and one of you are employed. That's a

4267
02:56:51,600 --> 02:56:54,319
direct conflict. You may not think it

4268
02:56:54,319 --> 02:56:57,359
is, but it's an to me it's more than an

4269
02:56:57,359 --> 02:57:00,800
appearance. So, what I'm saying is that

4270
02:57:00,800 --> 02:57:03,200
yeah, you're going to pass another tax

4271
02:57:03,200 --> 02:57:06,880
rate on us, but come on. The key to this

4272
02:57:06,880 --> 02:57:09,040
is not all these school systems are

4273
02:57:09,040 --> 02:57:12,080
asking for $10 million. They might be

4274
02:57:12,080 --> 02:57:14,000
asking for one million

4275
02:57:14,000 --> 02:57:16,960
>> or two million.

4276
02:57:16,960 --> 02:57:18,960
So you see there's a problem here. I

4277
02:57:18,960 --> 02:57:21,359
want you to think about this or table

4278
02:57:21,359 --> 02:57:23,920
it. Let's get all the facts out. Don't

4279
02:57:23,920 --> 02:57:27,040
pass another god darn tax on us or

4280
02:57:27,040 --> 02:57:29,359
support it. People can't afford to buy

4281
02:57:29,359 --> 02:57:32,399
these homes in Michigan City right now.

4282
02:57:32,399 --> 02:57:35,120
You know what my son told me today? He

4283
02:57:35,120 --> 02:57:36,720
looked at one of them apartments, a

4284
02:57:36,720 --> 02:57:39,520
one-bedroom apartment in the Franklin,

4285
02:57:39,520 --> 02:57:43,040
$1,800. You think anybody making 17 or

4286
02:57:43,040 --> 02:57:46,240
$19 an hour can afford that?

4287
02:57:46,240 --> 02:57:49,920
>> Come on. It's reality. Don't tax us

4288
02:57:49,920 --> 02:57:52,880
anymore.

4289
02:57:52,880 --> 02:57:55,359
>> Uh, yes, sir.

4290
02:57:55,359 --> 02:57:58,720
>> Bill Newton, 604 Black Oak Drive.

4291
02:57:58,720 --> 02:58:01,040
I represent the Michigan City uh

4292
02:58:01,040 --> 02:58:03,680
community action group and we've looked

4293
02:58:03,680 --> 02:58:06,000
into this subject right here. We've

4294
02:58:06,000 --> 02:58:08,000
attended uh two meetings with the

4295
02:58:08,000 --> 02:58:15,840
superintendent here and there's no tie between the money that's

4296
02:58:15,840 --> 02:58:19,359
going to be spent on increased taxes and

4297
02:58:19,359 --> 02:58:22,319
the improvement of the schools. None.

4298
02:58:22,319 --> 02:58:27,040
Okay. US US News and World Report

4299
02:58:27,040 --> 02:58:28,880
produced these statistics for Michigan

4300
02:58:28,880 --> 02:58:33,359
City area schools high school. Okay. 30%

4301
02:58:33,359 --> 02:58:37,359
English comprehension rate 30%.

4302
02:58:37,359 --> 02:58:40,880
Math comprehension rate 18%.

4303
02:58:40,880 --> 02:58:46,399
Okay. Science comprehension rate 8%.

4304
02:58:46,399 --> 02:58:49,023
That's pathetic. Okay. and

4305
02:58:49,023 --> 02:58:49,840
[clears throat]

4306
02:58:49,840 --> 02:58:52,720
and they never talk about that during

4307
02:58:52,720 --> 02:58:55,040
these meetings. Okay. What they do talk

4308
02:58:55,040 --> 02:59:00,000
about is graduation rate 90%.

4309
02:59:00,000 --> 02:59:03,760
So I'm a teacher, okay, at IvyTech and

4310
02:59:03,760 --> 02:59:06,319
also Purdue. I get these students from

4311
02:59:06,319 --> 02:59:08,800
Michigan City area schools. I look at

4312
02:59:08,800 --> 02:59:12,479
the transcript, it's all Fs. I said,

4313
02:59:12,479 --> 02:59:16,160
"How did you ever graduate from school?"

4314
02:59:16,160 --> 02:59:18,479
Well, they just pass you on. They don't

4315
02:59:18,479 --> 02:59:19,840
hold you back. They just keep passing

4316
02:59:19,840 --> 02:59:22,479
you on. I said, 'Well, you're going to

4317
02:59:22,479 --> 02:59:25,040
have to take zero level zero level

4318
02:59:25,040 --> 02:59:27,920
classes in at at these places. You know

4319
02:59:27,920 --> 02:59:30,399
what that is? That's all remediation.

4320
02:59:30,399 --> 02:59:33,200
You can't even get into a program. You

4321
02:59:33,200 --> 02:59:35,200
have to take remediation. I mean, you're

4322
02:59:35,200 --> 02:59:38,080
not doing these kids any favor. And and

4323
02:59:38,080 --> 02:59:40,720
I agree. I voted today. Today was the

4324
02:59:40,720 --> 02:59:43,040
first day for early voting. I voted on

4325
02:59:43,040 --> 02:59:45,680
this. Okay. And it spells right out in

4326
02:59:45,680 --> 02:59:48,640
there. This is this is an increased tax

4327
02:59:48,640 --> 02:59:51,520
for a person with a $200,000 home.

4328
02:59:51,520 --> 02:59:55,200
You're going to pay $264 per year. So, I

4329
02:59:55,200 --> 02:59:56,399
don't know where you come up with these

4330
02:59:56,399 --> 02:59:58,960
little numbers. This this this whole

4331
02:59:58,960 --> 03:00:02,640
thing is coming down to $80 million that

4332
03:00:02,640 --> 03:00:05,439
they they need to have raised in 10

4333
03:00:05,439 --> 03:00:08,080
years. You're not doing it for 50 cents

4334
03:00:08,080 --> 03:00:09,840
a month.

4335
03:00:09,840 --> 03:00:11,680
Come on.

4336
03:00:11,680 --> 03:00:14,399
>> Thank you.

4337
03:00:14,399 --> 03:00:17,120
Um, Mr. Kavic.

4338
03:00:17,120 --> 03:00:20,479
>> Yes, this is Tommy Kavik from 1316 Ohio

4339
03:00:20,479 --> 03:00:22,240
Street. I was going to mention this

4340
03:00:22,240 --> 03:00:24,080
during the regular comment, but the

4341
03:00:24,080 --> 03:00:27,520
early voting is open now at 8 Wash. So,

4342
03:00:27,520 --> 03:00:29,920
get out and vote and support this uh

4343
03:00:29,920 --> 03:00:31,520
resolution.

4344
03:00:31,520 --> 03:00:34,720
I'm not native to Michigan City. I'm I'm

4345
03:00:34,720 --> 03:00:36,800
a product of the Portage Township School

4346
03:00:36,800 --> 03:00:40,240
Systems. 1988 we came over and we won

4347
03:00:40,240 --> 03:00:42,399
your Michigan City Rogers boys

4348
03:00:42,399 --> 03:00:45,600
basketball princ regional. Uh we only

4349
03:00:45,600 --> 03:00:47,520
had one principal though me and him out

4350
03:00:47,520 --> 03:00:49,600
the great late great forest dusty yellow

4351
03:00:49,600 --> 03:00:51,680
road but I want everybody to get out and

4352
03:00:51,680 --> 03:00:53,520
support the previous gentleman that

4353
03:00:53,520 --> 03:00:55,359
spoke said we getting all left. He

4354
03:00:55,359 --> 03:00:58,640
obviously never had none of my students

4355
03:00:58,640 --> 03:01:02,160
and my extended family. All my students

4356
03:01:02,160 --> 03:01:04,720
are all National Honor Society and top

4357
03:01:04,720 --> 03:01:06,640
athletes and so I'm going to support

4358
03:01:06,640 --> 03:01:09,439
this. So all vote vote yes so all my

4359
03:01:09,439 --> 03:01:11,120
students can continue to excel and

4360
03:01:11,120 --> 03:01:13,279
dominate at the Michigan City area

4361
03:01:13,279 --> 03:01:14,800
schools. Thank you.

4362
03:01:14,800 --> 03:01:22,070
>> Thank you Mr. Kavic.

4363
03:01:22,080 --> 03:01:25,760
Angie Nelson D126 Lady Lane. Um I'm in

4364
03:01:25,760 --> 03:01:27,520
favor of this. I chaired one of the

4365
03:01:27,520 --> 03:01:29,520
failed referendums

4366
03:01:29,520 --> 03:01:32,720
uh and and what people don't understand

4367
03:01:32,720 --> 03:01:36,160
uh with the last one uh before SB1. This

4368
03:01:36,160 --> 03:01:39,040
is before we even got into the the tax

4369
03:01:39,040 --> 03:01:42,720
situation. And I agree, population is is

4370
03:01:42,720 --> 03:01:44,720
an issue. And that's why growing our

4371
03:01:44,720 --> 03:01:46,960
population is important because we know

4372
03:01:46,960 --> 03:01:48,960
that we're transitioning from property

4373
03:01:48,960 --> 03:01:52,000
taxes to local income tax. And what that

4374
03:01:52,000 --> 03:01:54,000
means for us is we need people living

4375
03:01:54,000 --> 03:01:56,800
here and working here. Living and

4376
03:01:56,800 --> 03:01:58,880
working here. Your dollars follow where

4377
03:01:58,880 --> 03:02:00,640
you live.

4378
03:02:00,640 --> 03:02:02,800
And we know that to be true. That's how

4379
03:02:02,800 --> 03:02:04,960
the bill is set up. and going into long

4380
03:02:04,960 --> 03:02:07,359
session is going to be worse. So with

4381
03:02:07,359 --> 03:02:09,200
the school system understand with the

4382
03:02:09,200 --> 03:02:11,600
last failed referendum the things that

4383
03:02:11,600 --> 03:02:14,080
left here and this is where we don't

4384
03:02:14,080 --> 03:02:16,560
talk what we don't talk about is all the

4385
03:02:16,560 --> 03:02:19,920
additional supports the additional aids

4386
03:02:19,920 --> 03:02:21,920
all of that was cut all the

4387
03:02:21,920 --> 03:02:24,240
extracurricular when we didn't pass the

4388
03:02:24,240 --> 03:02:26,800
referendum before there were any tax

4389
03:02:26,800 --> 03:02:29,760
implications downstate

4390
03:02:29,760 --> 03:02:32,160
you know they say well this school over

4391
03:02:32,160 --> 03:02:35,439
here is doing this those those cities

4392
03:02:35,439 --> 03:02:38,000
pass referend randoms

4393
03:02:38,000 --> 03:02:42,720
to support those efforts. They did.

4394
03:02:42,720 --> 03:02:44,880
So, you want to compare us to Michigan

4395
03:02:44,880 --> 03:02:48,000
City to all these schools? Well, go back

4396
03:02:48,000 --> 03:02:49,359
in history and figure out what's

4397
03:02:49,359 --> 03:02:51,200
happening there. Those people are

4398
03:02:51,200 --> 03:02:52,960
working in Michigan City and working in

4399
03:02:52,960 --> 03:02:54,399
different places and taking all their

4400
03:02:54,399 --> 03:02:58,000
money back to where they live.

4401
03:02:58,000 --> 03:02:59,520
That's what's happening. We want to talk

4402
03:02:59,520 --> 03:03:02,080
about market rate and all this because

4403
03:03:02,080 --> 03:03:04,800
people are referring them to homes and

4404
03:03:04,800 --> 03:03:06,640
places outside of Michigan City when

4405
03:03:06,640 --> 03:03:08,800
they work here cuz there's no place for

4406
03:03:08,800 --> 03:03:12,240
them to live. So population is an issue.

4407
03:03:12,240 --> 03:03:14,000
But the biggest issue is when we failed

4408
03:03:14,000 --> 03:03:16,080
the last referendum,

4409
03:03:16,080 --> 03:03:18,399
all those programs were cut. All the

4410
03:03:18,399 --> 03:03:20,479
additional reading assistance, all of

4411
03:03:20,479 --> 03:03:22,560
all that was cut. Now I'm a proud

4412
03:03:22,560 --> 03:03:24,479
parent. Both of my daughters who

4413
03:03:24,479 --> 03:03:26,160
graduated from Michigan City High School

4414
03:03:26,160 --> 03:03:28,160
graduated college in three years because

4415
03:03:28,160 --> 03:03:29,520
you know why,

4416
03:03:29,520 --> 03:03:30,080
>> right?

4417
03:03:30,080 --> 03:03:32,080
>> They got dual credits and they had AP

4418
03:03:32,080 --> 03:03:34,240
classes. I used to teach at IvyTech and

4419
03:03:34,240 --> 03:03:37,040
PNC as well. I taught those remediation

4420
03:03:37,040 --> 03:03:40,880
classes and I also goed and was ticked

4421
03:03:40,880 --> 03:03:42,720
off when I had to do those classes and

4422
03:03:42,720 --> 03:03:47,359
teach them, right? But when those needs

4423
03:03:47,359 --> 03:03:51,600
aren't being met because we can't pass a

4424
03:03:51,600 --> 03:03:54,240
referendum or do the right thing, that's

4425
03:03:54,240 --> 03:03:55,920
what happens. I remember the first

4426
03:03:55,920 --> 03:04:00,640
referendum. Oh, they said some nasty

4427
03:04:00,640 --> 03:04:03,120
things. Almost left Michigan City. The

4428
03:04:03,120 --> 03:04:05,279
rhetoric behind that first referendum

4429
03:04:05,279 --> 03:04:07,359
almost had me take my kids away from

4430
03:04:07,359 --> 03:04:09,120
here.

4431
03:04:09,120 --> 03:04:13,520
And I was so upset because it was such a

4432
03:04:13,520 --> 03:04:16,720
racial thing back then on the first

4433
03:04:16,720 --> 03:04:18,479
referendum.

4434
03:04:18,479 --> 03:04:20,160
It's only going to support certain kids

4435
03:04:20,160 --> 03:04:22,479
and all this other stuff. No, it's not

4436
03:04:22,479 --> 03:04:24,640
about that. We want your property tax

4437
03:04:24,640 --> 03:04:26,640
values to go up. The school system has

4438
03:04:26,640 --> 03:04:28,880
to be thriving.

4439
03:04:28,880 --> 03:04:30,960
We can't continue. We heard today in

4440
03:04:30,960 --> 03:04:33,840
your tax abatement on on Aquagenics,

4441
03:04:33,840 --> 03:04:36,720
they they're struggling to hire folks.

4442
03:04:36,720 --> 03:04:38,720
If you go to the chambers website, they

4443
03:04:38,720 --> 03:04:40,479
have a a place where you can go see all

4444
03:04:40,479 --> 03:04:43,200
the open jobs. People say, "Well, we

4445
03:04:43,200 --> 03:04:46,240
need more jobs." Okay, they're available

4446
03:04:46,240 --> 03:04:48,479
in Michigan City. I'd rather you live in

4447
03:04:48,479 --> 03:04:51,279
Michigan City and work here. So, we

4448
03:04:51,279 --> 03:04:55,840
really have to do a better job in in

4449
03:04:55,840 --> 03:04:58,240
stating the facts. Um, you know,

4450
03:04:58,240 --> 03:05:00,319
everybody, like you said, can't afford

4451
03:05:00,319 --> 03:05:01,439
certain things, but we have a high

4452
03:05:01,439 --> 03:05:05,520
rental population, too. We know we do.

4453
03:05:05,520 --> 03:05:08,800
Um, that's a whole

4454
03:05:08,800 --> 03:05:11,359
another a whole another thing. I'm not

4455
03:05:11,359 --> 03:05:13,439
going to even get into that. But the

4456
03:05:13,439 --> 03:05:15,920
support of it

4457
03:05:15,920 --> 03:05:18,000
is important for us in the future of

4458
03:05:18,000 --> 03:05:20,080
Michigan City. And I just want everybody

4459
03:05:20,080 --> 03:05:22,880
to know that voting for this will help

4460
03:05:22,880 --> 03:05:25,680
us in the long run. When when the the

4461
03:05:25,680 --> 03:05:27,439
school system thrives, the whole city

4462
03:05:27,439 --> 03:05:30,399
will thrive. So, um, I hope you support

4463
03:05:30,399 --> 03:05:32,080
it. And this is a resolution. This is

4464
03:05:32,080 --> 03:05:33,920
not an ordinance. This is not you

4465
03:05:33,920 --> 03:05:35,920
determining the tax rate. This is not

4466
03:05:35,920 --> 03:05:38,960
you doing it. It's just you supporting

4467
03:05:38,960 --> 03:05:41,439
the school system in in their efforts.

4468
03:05:41,439 --> 03:05:43,520
That's it. So, I appreciate your support

4469
03:05:43,520 --> 03:05:44,960
and thank you for bringing this

4470
03:05:44,960 --> 03:05:46,640
resolution.

4471
03:05:46,640 --> 03:05:49,040
>> Thank you.

4472
03:05:49,040 --> 03:05:51,439
That was our last public comment on this

4473
03:05:51,439 --> 03:05:54,160
resolution. I will now open this up for

4474
03:05:54,160 --> 03:05:56,240
comments from the council. Councilman

4475
03:05:56,240 --> 03:05:57,359
Dabney.

4476
03:05:57,359 --> 03:05:59,840
>> Yes. I did not know this would cause

4477
03:05:59,840 --> 03:06:02,399
such consternation

4478
03:06:02,399 --> 03:06:05,840
and but

4479
03:06:05,840 --> 03:06:08,399
this is what dollars would be used for

4480
03:06:08,399 --> 03:06:11,920
after passing of the the referendum.

4481
03:06:11,920 --> 03:06:14,479
Academic programs, $6.5 million

4482
03:06:14,479 --> 03:06:16,479
annually, maintaining appropriate class

4483
03:06:16,479 --> 03:06:18,319
sizes, teacher and staff recruitment and

4484
03:06:18,319 --> 03:06:20,560
retention, literacy development, career

4485
03:06:20,560 --> 03:06:23,279
and technical workforce development,

4486
03:06:23,279 --> 03:06:25,840
educational related programs, $2 million

4487
03:06:25,840 --> 03:06:28,000
annually, transportation services,

4488
03:06:28,000 --> 03:06:29,680
student extracurricular uh curricular

4489
03:06:29,680 --> 03:06:32,240
activities and opportunities, essential

4490
03:06:32,240 --> 03:06:35,439
student support services, as the mayor

4491
03:06:35,439 --> 03:06:37,200
said, we did not pass the last

4492
03:06:37,200 --> 03:06:39,040
referendum. safety and security

4493
03:06:39,040 --> 03:06:41,600
measures, $ 1.5 million annually. School

4494
03:06:41,600 --> 03:06:43,840
resource officers, student mental health

4495
03:06:43,840 --> 03:06:46,960
and behavioral supports, enhanced safety

4496
03:06:46,960 --> 03:06:48,960
capital investments. So that's what the

4497
03:06:48,960 --> 03:06:50,399
money would be used for. That would be

4498
03:06:50,399 --> 03:06:54,399
raised from the referendum and and

4499
03:06:54,399 --> 03:06:56,479
the the comment about people having all

4500
03:06:56,479 --> 03:06:58,399
Fs getting into college. That's a new

4501
03:06:58,399 --> 03:07:01,359
one. Um wish I'd have known that. Could

4502
03:07:01,359 --> 03:07:02,640
have gotten to Notre Dame with all Fs.

4503
03:07:02,640 --> 03:07:05,120
That would have been awesome. But here

4504
03:07:05,120 --> 03:07:07,120
we are. And like I said, I didn't think

4505
03:07:07,120 --> 03:07:12,720
it would cause this much of an issue to support Michigan City area schools.

4506
03:07:12,720 --> 03:07:14,240
>> Councilman Priscali.

4507
03:07:14,240 --> 03:07:18,240
>> Yeah. Thank you, Madam President,

4508
03:07:18,240 --> 03:07:19,840
>> and anyone that's worked for the

4509
03:07:19,840 --> 03:07:24,319
Michigan City Area Schools and

4510
03:07:24,319 --> 03:07:26,640
is retired now or do work for the school

4511
03:07:26,640 --> 03:07:29,439
system. I don't see it as a conflict of

4512
03:07:29,439 --> 03:07:31,920
interest. I see it as those people

4513
03:07:31,920 --> 03:07:33,920
really knowing that this is an

4514
03:07:33,920 --> 03:07:36,560
investment to the children and to the

4515
03:07:36,560 --> 03:07:39,600
future of Michigan City. So that's why I

4516
03:07:39,600 --> 03:07:42,319
take that comment too. Thank you,

4517
03:07:42,319 --> 03:07:43,600
>> Dr. Kora.

4518
03:07:43,600 --> 03:07:44,960
>> Yeah. Thank you, Madam President. You

4519
03:07:44,960 --> 03:07:46,640
know, as a former uh school board

4520
03:07:46,640 --> 03:07:49,680
member, I I understand the difficulty

4521
03:07:49,680 --> 03:07:51,840
people have because of inflation and

4522
03:07:51,840 --> 03:07:54,080
everything else. But having said that,

4523
03:07:54,080 --> 03:07:56,720
as Councilwoman Moldenhau has said and

4524
03:07:56,720 --> 03:08:00,000
councilman Dabney has said that the

4525
03:08:00,000 --> 03:08:02,479
quality of our schools is directly

4526
03:08:02,479 --> 03:08:04,800
linked to the economic development, it

4527
03:08:04,800 --> 03:08:08,800
it's it it is inevitable and if if we

4528
03:08:08,800 --> 03:08:11,359
allow our school system to go down then

4529
03:08:11,359 --> 03:08:13,840
the chances of economic development also

4530
03:08:13,840 --> 03:08:16,960
goes down. So I think these are interlin

4531
03:08:16,960 --> 03:08:20,319
um and u u so that's the reason why I'm

4532
03:08:20,319 --> 03:08:22,399
going to support this. Thank you, Dr.

4533
03:08:22,399 --> 03:08:24,240
Coral. Councilwoman Lee. Thank you,

4534
03:08:24,240 --> 03:08:26,880
Madam President. Um I, as a current

4535
03:08:26,880 --> 03:08:28,399
teacher in Michigan City Area Schools,

4536
03:08:28,399 --> 03:08:30,479
I'm obviously in support of this um for

4537
03:08:30,479 --> 03:08:33,040
so many reasons. Um I'm out there

4538
03:08:33,040 --> 03:08:34,640
canvasing. I may have knocked on some of

4539
03:08:34,640 --> 03:08:37,760
your doors already about it. Um but due

4540
03:08:37,760 --> 03:08:39,680
to Michigan City Area Schools being my

4541
03:08:39,680 --> 03:08:41,840
current employer, um I will be

4542
03:08:41,840 --> 03:08:43,520
abstaining from voting on this

4543
03:08:43,520 --> 03:08:46,399
resolution, but vocally obviously I do

4544
03:08:46,399 --> 03:08:49,359
support it 100%. Thank you, Councilwoman

4545
03:08:49,359 --> 03:08:51,680
Lee. May I entertain a motion?

4546
03:08:51,680 --> 03:08:53,040
>> Motion to approve. Support

4547
03:08:53,040 --> 03:08:55,279
>> second.

4548
03:08:55,279 --> 03:08:57,600
>> We have a motion and a second. Madame

4549
03:08:57,600 --> 03:08:59,200
clerk on the vote, please.

4550
03:08:59,200 --> 03:09:00,399
>> Mr. Coulter,

4551
03:09:00,399 --> 03:09:00,880
>> I

4552
03:09:00,880 --> 03:09:01,840
>> Mr. Dabney.

4553
03:09:01,840 --> 03:09:02,319
>> Hi.

4554
03:09:02,319 --> 03:09:03,120
>> Dr. Cora,

4555
03:09:03,120 --> 03:09:03,600
>> hi.

4556
03:09:03,600 --> 03:09:07,030
>> Miss Lee,

4557
03:09:07,040 --> 03:09:09,040
» Miss Moldenau,

4558
03:09:09,040 --> 03:09:09,840
>> I

4559
03:09:09,840 --> 03:09:11,439
>> Mr. Nelson,

4560
03:09:11,439 --> 03:09:12,479
>> I

4561
03:09:12,479 --> 03:09:13,920
>> Mr. President Bolinsky,

4562
03:09:13,920 --> 03:09:14,399
>> I

4563
03:09:14,399 --> 03:09:15,200
>> Miss Tilman,

4564
03:09:15,200 --> 03:09:15,520
>> I

4565
03:09:15,520 --> 03:09:16,880
>> and Mr. Beatatri,

4566
03:09:16,880 --> 03:09:19,359
>> I. We have eight in favor and one

4567
03:09:19,359 --> 03:09:22,160
abstained.

4568
03:09:22,160 --> 03:09:25,359
>> And this resolution has passed.

4569
03:09:25,359 --> 03:09:27,920
Madame clerk, our next resolution by

4570
03:09:27,920 --> 03:09:29,680
title only, please.

4571
03:09:29,680 --> 03:09:32,000
>> A resolution by title only. A resolution

4572
03:09:32,000 --> 03:09:33,680
of the common council of the city of

4573
03:09:33,680 --> 03:09:36,319
Michigan City, Indiana, supporting the

4574
03:09:36,319 --> 03:09:41,600
United Steel Workers Local Union 12775,

4575
03:09:41,600 --> 03:09:44,319
District 7's petition to strengthen

4576
03:09:44,319 --> 03:09:47,840
NIPCO staffing reliability and storm

4577
03:09:47,840 --> 03:09:50,240
response for Northern Indiana. And this

4578
03:09:50,240 --> 03:09:53,359
is introduced by Mr. Beatatri and Mr.

4579
03:09:53,359 --> 03:09:54,560
President Bolinsky.

4580
03:09:54,560 --> 03:09:56,240
>> And would the sponsors like to make any

4581
03:09:56,240 --> 03:09:58,960
comments? Councilman President Bolinski.

4582
03:09:58,960 --> 03:10:01,680
>> Yeah. uh madame president uh what this

4583
03:10:01,680 --> 03:10:04,319
deals with and there's a lot of uh

4584
03:10:04,319 --> 03:10:07,279
whereouses and one one thing I want to

4585
03:10:07,279 --> 03:10:11,359
say that I've always supported issues

4586
03:10:11,359 --> 03:10:15,760
that fall against uh NIPCO. Uh I've been

4587
03:10:15,760 --> 03:10:19,040
to a number of the IURC hearings that

4588
03:10:19,040 --> 03:10:21,760
were held in Northwest Indiana when they

4589
03:10:21,760 --> 03:10:25,200
were always going to uh raise our rates.

4590
03:10:25,200 --> 03:10:26,640
I've been there to speak for the people

4591
03:10:26,640 --> 03:10:29,040
in Michigan City and now I'm here to

4592
03:10:29,040 --> 03:10:31,840
speak for the United Steel Workers uh

4593
03:10:31,840 --> 03:10:35,040
against the NIPCO staffing reliability

4594
03:10:35,040 --> 03:10:38,080
and storm response for northern Indiana

4595
03:10:38,080 --> 03:10:40,160
and it deals with uh whereas the

4596
03:10:40,160 --> 03:10:42,160
reliable electric and natural gas

4597
03:10:42,160 --> 03:10:45,439
service is a public necessity for public

4598
03:10:45,439 --> 03:10:47,439
safety, economic development and healthc

4599
03:10:47,439 --> 03:10:50,319
care education and quality of life for

4600
03:10:50,319 --> 03:10:53,040
the residents and businesses of Michigan

4601
03:10:53,040 --> 03:10:55,120
City. And whereas NIPCO provides

4602
03:10:55,120 --> 03:10:57,920
electric and natural gas to Michigan

4603
03:10:57,920 --> 03:11:01,040
city. And whereas the Durco that struck

4604
03:11:01,040 --> 03:11:04,080
northern Indiana on August 11th caused

4605
03:11:04,080 --> 03:11:06,560
widespread outages across Leaport Lake

4606
03:11:06,560 --> 03:11:08,560
Porter counties and the city of Michigan

4607
03:11:08,560 --> 03:11:11,439
City. Worked closely with Niscoco

4608
03:11:11,439 --> 03:11:14,399
throughout the restoration act effort.

4609
03:11:14,399 --> 03:11:16,319
And whereas severe weather events have

4610
03:11:16,319 --> 03:11:18,160
shown that the value of well staffed

4611
03:11:18,160 --> 03:11:20,880
local crews who know our communities

4612
03:11:20,880 --> 03:11:22,720
understand our infrastructure and can be

4613
03:11:22,720 --> 03:11:26,080
deployed quickly when outages occur. And

4614
03:11:26,080 --> 03:11:28,720
whereas aging infrastructure, economic

4615
03:11:28,720 --> 03:11:31,760
growth, and increasingly severe weather

4616
03:11:31,760 --> 03:11:34,640
are placing greater greater demands on

4617
03:11:34,640 --> 03:11:37,359
the utility system serving northern

4618
03:11:37,359 --> 03:11:40,000
Indiana. And whereas United Steel

4619
03:11:40,000 --> 03:11:42,880
Workers Local 12775

4620
03:11:42,880 --> 03:11:45,840
District 7 has circulated a petition

4621
03:11:45,840 --> 03:11:49,120
titled keep utility jobs local

4622
03:11:49,120 --> 03:11:51,920
strengthen NIPCO staffing reliability

4623
03:11:51,920 --> 03:11:55,279
and storm response for Northern Indiana.

4624
03:11:55,279 --> 03:11:57,840
And the said petition is attached here

4625
03:11:57,840 --> 03:12:01,600
too as exhibit A. Uh and also whereas

4626
03:12:01,600 --> 03:12:04,399
the petition calls on the state leaders,

4627
03:12:04,399 --> 03:12:07,040
regulators and local elected officials

4628
03:12:07,040 --> 03:12:09,279
to assess current utility staffing

4629
03:12:09,279 --> 03:12:12,080
needs, develop workforce growth targets

4630
03:12:12,080 --> 03:12:15,279
and support utility apprentice expansion

4631
03:12:15,279 --> 03:12:17,439
and encourage local hiring and training

4632
03:12:17,439 --> 03:12:19,920
initiatives and ensure communities

4633
03:12:19,920 --> 03:12:23,200
receive the level of you utility service

4634
03:12:23,200 --> 03:12:26,720
and emergency preparedness they deserve.

4635
03:12:26,720 --> 03:12:29,040
And whereas a permanent local utility

4636
03:12:29,040 --> 03:12:31,600
workforce lives in our community, pays

4637
03:12:31,600 --> 03:12:33,760
taxes in our community, and is available

4638
03:12:33,760 --> 03:12:36,479
year round, while mutual aid crews

4639
03:12:36,479 --> 03:12:38,560
remain a valued resource during

4640
03:12:38,560 --> 03:12:40,240
emergencies.

4641
03:12:40,240 --> 03:12:41,840
And whereas the city of Michigan City

4642
03:12:41,840 --> 03:12:44,240
has hosted and funded two Indiana plan

4643
03:12:44,240 --> 03:12:46,880
classes for Michigan City residents,

4644
03:12:46,880 --> 03:12:50,240
creating a pathway into skilled careers.

4645
03:12:50,240 --> 03:12:52,080
And whereas the city of Michigan City

4646
03:12:52,080 --> 03:12:54,880
established an internship program that

4647
03:12:54,880 --> 03:12:56,960
has served more than 40 interns over the

4648
03:12:56,960 --> 03:12:58,800
last two and a half years with several

4649
03:12:58,800 --> 03:13:01,840
members of the first cohort hired as

4650
03:13:01,840 --> 03:13:04,479
full-time city employees.

4651
03:13:04,479 --> 03:13:06,240
And whereas the city of Michigan City

4652
03:13:06,240 --> 03:13:08,080
has partnered with Goodwill Industries

4653
03:13:08,080 --> 03:13:10,240
on a re-entry program and will continue

4654
03:13:10,240 --> 03:13:13,920
to support local workforce initiatives.

4655
03:13:13,920 --> 03:13:16,160
And whereas the goals of this petition

4656
03:13:16,160 --> 03:13:19,680
of the United Steel Workers Local 12775

4657
03:13:19,680 --> 03:13:23,120
District 7 align with the strengths the

4658
03:13:23,120 --> 03:13:25,359
workforce development work already

4659
03:13:25,359 --> 03:13:29,120
underway in Michigan City. Now for now

4660
03:13:29,120 --> 03:13:30,880
therefore be resolved by the common

4661
03:13:30,880 --> 03:13:35,349
council of Michigan City, Indiana.

4662
03:13:35,359 --> 03:13:37,520
The common council supports a petition

4663
03:13:37,520 --> 03:13:41,040
of the United Steel Workers Local Union

4664
03:13:41,040 --> 03:13:42,560
12775

4665
03:13:42,560 --> 03:13:45,359
District 7 to strengthen the NIPCO

4666
03:13:45,359 --> 03:13:48,720
staffing reliability and storm response

4667
03:13:48,720 --> 03:13:51,439
for Northern Indiana. And the common

4668
03:13:51,439 --> 03:13:54,319
council respectfully calls upon Governor

4669
03:13:54,319 --> 03:13:56,560
Mike Brown, the Indiana general

4670
03:13:56,560 --> 03:13:59,600
assembly, and the Indiana Utility

4671
03:13:59,600 --> 03:14:01,600
Regulatory Commission, and the Indiana

4672
03:14:01,600 --> 03:14:04,720
Office of Utility Consumer Council to

4673
03:14:04,720 --> 03:14:07,040
assess current utility staffing needs in

4674
03:14:07,040 --> 03:14:09,200
Northern Indiana, develop workforce

4675
03:14:09,200 --> 03:14:11,520
growth targets, support utility

4676
03:14:11,520 --> 03:14:14,000
apprenticeship expansion, encourage

4677
03:14:14,000 --> 03:14:16,560
local hiring and training initiatives,

4678
03:14:16,560 --> 03:14:18,720
ensure northern Indiana communities

4679
03:14:18,720 --> 03:14:21,040
receive the level utility ility service

4680
03:14:21,040 --> 03:14:24,399
and emergency preparedness they deserve.

4681
03:14:24,399 --> 03:14:26,479
And the common council encourages the

4682
03:14:26,479 --> 03:14:29,359
Indiana utility regulatory commission to

4683
03:14:29,359 --> 03:14:32,160
consider workforce adequacy and

4684
03:14:32,160 --> 03:14:34,640
emergency response readiness in

4685
03:14:34,640 --> 03:14:37,680
proceedings affected NIPCO customers.

4686
03:14:37,680 --> 03:14:40,319
encourage public reporting on frontline

4687
03:14:40,319 --> 03:14:43,200
staffing levels, vacancy rates, and

4688
03:14:43,200 --> 03:14:45,760
storm restoration performance,

4689
03:14:45,760 --> 03:14:47,520
contractor use, and workforce

4690
03:14:47,520 --> 03:14:50,800
development invest investment. and the

4691
03:14:50,800 --> 03:14:54,160
city clerk is directed to send copies of

4692
03:14:54,160 --> 03:14:57,279
this resolution to the governor, state

4693
03:14:57,279 --> 03:14:59,279
senator Rodney Pole, state

4694
03:14:59,279 --> 03:15:01,760
representative Randy Novak, the Indiana

4695
03:15:01,760 --> 03:15:04,000
general assembly to the speaker of the

4696
03:15:04,000 --> 03:15:06,800
house and president prom in the senate,

4697
03:15:06,800 --> 03:15:08,960
the Indiana office of utility consumer

4698
03:15:08,960 --> 03:15:11,680
counselor, the Indiana utility

4699
03:15:11,680 --> 03:15:14,000
regulatory commission and United Steel

4700
03:15:14,000 --> 03:15:17,279
Workers Local Union 12775

4701
03:15:17,279 --> 03:15:20,399
District 7. Thank you.

4702
03:15:20,399 --> 03:15:22,000
Councilman Prince Bolinsky.

4703
03:15:22,000 --> 03:15:23,600
Would the other sponsor like to make any

4704
03:15:23,600 --> 03:15:25,279
comments?

4705
03:15:25,279 --> 03:15:27,120
>> You just read the whole resolution,

4706
03:15:27,120 --> 03:15:28,800
right? What else did I add?

4707
03:15:28,800 --> 03:15:30,640
>> It's all done.

4708
03:15:30,640 --> 03:15:31,760
>> I can't talk no more.

4709
03:15:31,760 --> 03:15:33,760
>> Indeed. I would like to open this up for

4710
03:15:33,760 --> 03:15:36,479
public comment on this resolution. Are

4711
03:15:36,479 --> 03:15:48,150
there any public comment?

4712
03:15:48,160 --> 03:15:49,920
Thank you, Madam President, members of

4713
03:15:49,920 --> 03:15:52,399
the council. My name is Ryan Baker. I'm

4714
03:15:52,399 --> 03:15:56,239
president of USW Local 12775.

4715
03:15:56,239 --> 03:15:58,880
This is my safety chair, Abraham Dudley,

4716
03:15:58,880 --> 03:16:02,080
standing with me. We represent roughly

4717
03:16:02,080 --> 03:16:05,439
1,300 utility workers covering the

4718
03:16:05,439 --> 03:16:08,000
northern third of the state. That's gas,

4719
03:16:08,000 --> 03:16:10,000
electric, generation, and support

4720
03:16:10,000 --> 03:16:12,239
workers. I'm asking you tonight to stand

4721
03:16:12,239 --> 03:16:14,000
with the NIPCO workers, families, and

4722
03:16:14,000 --> 03:16:16,720
customers across northwest Indiana by

4723
03:16:16,720 --> 03:16:18,399
supporting this petition calling for a

4724
03:16:18,399 --> 03:16:20,479
full investigation into NIPCO staffing

4725
03:16:20,479 --> 03:16:22,880
levels. The concern is simple. When

4726
03:16:22,880 --> 03:16:25,200
staffing's too low, emergency response,

4727
03:16:25,200 --> 03:16:27,439
storm restoration, everyday service all

4728
03:16:27,439 --> 03:16:29,040
suffer

4729
03:16:29,040 --> 03:16:31,120
after the August 11th storm. Crews

4730
03:16:31,120 --> 03:16:32,960
worked for long hours, responded to gas

4731
03:16:32,960 --> 03:16:35,040
emergencies, power restoration needs,

4732
03:16:35,040 --> 03:16:38,160
downlines, and public safety concerns in

4733
03:16:38,160 --> 03:16:40,160
communities from Leaport County all the

4734
03:16:40,160 --> 03:16:43,200
way to the Illinois state line. But

4735
03:16:43,200 --> 03:16:44,960
let's be clear, that storm did not

4736
03:16:44,960 --> 03:16:47,439
create the problem. It exposed it.

4737
03:16:47,439 --> 03:16:49,120
>> For years, in-house staffing has

4738
03:16:49,120 --> 03:16:51,040
declined, including significant

4739
03:16:51,040 --> 03:16:52,800
reductions among linemen and gas

4740
03:16:52,800 --> 03:16:56,560
workers. Headcount is down roughly 20%.

4741
03:16:56,560 --> 03:16:59,279
Just 6 years ago, there was roughly 230

4742
03:16:59,279 --> 03:17:01,920
linemen servicing NIPCO service

4743
03:17:01,920 --> 03:17:04,479
territory. And now we're down to 180.

4744
03:17:04,479 --> 03:17:06,399
That's 50 less linemen working in

4745
03:17:06,399 --> 03:17:08,640
emergencies.

4746
03:17:08,640 --> 03:17:10,239
At the same time, customers have

4747
03:17:10,239 --> 03:17:12,239
continued to see bills rise while more

4748
03:17:12,239 --> 03:17:13,600
work has shifted to out of state

4749
03:17:13,600 --> 03:17:15,600
contractors.

4750
03:17:15,600 --> 03:17:17,520
And we are not against outside help, and

4751
03:17:17,520 --> 03:17:19,120
we aren't against our union brothers and

4752
03:17:19,120 --> 03:17:20,960
sisters in the trades we work with every

4753
03:17:20,960 --> 03:17:23,439
day. But they shouldn't they should

4754
03:17:23,439 --> 03:17:26,000
supplement a strong local workforce, not

4755
03:17:26,000 --> 03:17:28,080
replace the baseline staffing needs to

4756
03:17:28,080 --> 03:17:30,880
keep our communities safe every day.

4757
03:17:30,880 --> 03:17:34,160
Local workers live here, pay taxes here,

4758
03:17:34,160 --> 03:17:36,239
raise families here, and respond when

4759
03:17:36,239 --> 03:17:39,200
our ne neighbors need it most. Our

4760
03:17:39,200 --> 03:17:40,960
petitions not demand any specific

4761
03:17:40,960 --> 03:17:43,359
headcount and ask for transparency,

4762
03:17:43,359 --> 03:17:45,200
accountability, and a serious

4763
03:17:45,200 --> 03:17:46,800
investigation into whether current

4764
03:17:46,800 --> 03:17:48,720
staffing levels are sufficient to

4765
03:17:48,720 --> 03:17:50,560
protect the public and provide a

4766
03:17:50,560 --> 03:17:53,359
reliable service.

4767
03:17:53,359 --> 03:17:55,520
Tonight, I'm asking you to approve the

4768
03:17:55,520 --> 03:17:58,640
re resolution to support our petition to

4769
03:17:58,640 --> 03:18:01,359
investigate NIPCO. This is about more

4770
03:18:01,359 --> 03:18:03,840
than workers. It's about public safety,

4771
03:18:03,840 --> 03:18:06,640
storm readiness, rising cost, and the

4772
03:18:06,640 --> 03:18:08,720
future reliability of our electrical

4773
03:18:08,720 --> 03:18:12,160
grid in our communities.

4774
03:18:12,160 --> 03:18:13,520
Together, we can ask the right

4775
03:18:13,520 --> 03:18:16,000
questions, demand honest answers, and

4776
03:18:16,000 --> 03:18:17,359
make sure our communities have the

4777
03:18:17,359 --> 03:18:18,960
workforce needed when emergencies

4778
03:18:18,960 --> 03:18:21,840
happen. Thank you for your support, your

4779
03:18:21,840 --> 03:18:23,279
voice, and your willingness to spread

4780
03:18:23,279 --> 03:18:24,880
this petition.

4781
03:18:24,880 --> 03:18:30,309
>> Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

4782
03:18:30,319 --> 03:18:33,760
I would like to open this up for public

4783
03:18:33,760 --> 03:18:35,680
comments at this time on this

4784
03:18:35,680 --> 03:18:37,840
resolution.

4785
03:18:37,840 --> 03:18:40,960
Paul Prisbolinsky, 1716 Washington

4786
03:18:40,960 --> 03:18:43,920
Street. I rise in favor of the

4787
03:18:43,920 --> 03:18:46,800
resolution with my brothers, my fellow

4788
03:18:46,800 --> 03:18:49,200
brothers from the USW.

4789
03:18:49,200 --> 03:18:52,239
But I will tell you this,

4790
03:18:52,239 --> 03:18:54,239
I was going to speak about this on

4791
03:18:54,239 --> 03:18:57,840
public comment. I think you elected

4792
03:18:57,840 --> 03:19:00,800
officials should take the bull by the

4793
03:19:00,800 --> 03:19:02,720
horn

4794
03:19:02,720 --> 03:19:04,960
and

4795
03:19:04,960 --> 03:19:06,720
contract

4796
03:19:06,720 --> 03:19:10,640
with a consultant who's won time and

4797
03:19:10,640 --> 03:19:14,720
time again against NIPKO. And this needs

4798
03:19:14,720 --> 03:19:17,520
to be in front of the URC for a major

4799
03:19:17,520 --> 03:19:20,479
investigation. You had hospitals without

4800
03:19:20,479 --> 03:19:22,560
power,

4801
03:19:22,560 --> 03:19:25,120
neighborhoods without power. I mean I

4802
03:19:25,120 --> 03:19:27,680
mean two three what was it almost three

4803
03:19:27,680 --> 03:19:30,160
weeks and and I know there were some

4804
03:19:30,160 --> 03:19:34,319
problems in Lake County but

4805
03:19:34,319 --> 03:19:37,600
this to me I was lived in that

4806
03:19:37,600 --> 03:19:40,239
neighborhood where I'm at right now the

4807
03:19:40,239 --> 03:19:42,800
majority of my life

4808
03:19:42,800 --> 03:19:46,640
every storm now since the hospital moved

4809
03:19:46,640 --> 03:19:50,319
out the same grid goes out and I rode

4810
03:19:50,319 --> 03:19:52,399
through the whole neighborhood and I got

4811
03:19:52,399 --> 03:19:54,880
it mapped out. And I'm I'm going to tell

4812
03:19:54,880 --> 03:19:57,200
you, some people didn't know it because

4813
03:19:57,200 --> 03:19:59,439
they weren't in that grid. But I know

4814
03:19:59,439 --> 03:20:01,920
the people that are in that neighborhood

4815
03:20:01,920 --> 03:20:04,960
know they were without power because a

4816
03:20:04,960 --> 03:20:09,120
lot of people I mean to me it's to me

4817
03:20:09,120 --> 03:20:11,359
personally

4818
03:20:11,359 --> 03:20:13,200
NIPO

4819
03:20:13,200 --> 03:20:18,080
is responsible. It's a public utility

4820
03:20:18,080 --> 03:20:22,560
and they don't give a care about their

4821
03:20:22,560 --> 03:20:24,720
linemen, about their product. All

4822
03:20:24,720 --> 03:20:26,960
they're looking at is the bottom line

4823
03:20:26,960 --> 03:20:29,600
profit. They're buying power off the

4824
03:20:29,600 --> 03:20:32,319
grid. All right?

4825
03:20:32,319 --> 03:20:34,000
They're they don't care if they shut

4826
03:20:34,000 --> 03:20:38,239
down, you know, the gen station. I know

4827
03:20:38,239 --> 03:20:39,920
a lot of people would like to see it

4828
03:20:39,920 --> 03:20:43,600
shut down, but this is all already

4829
03:20:43,600 --> 03:20:45,920
converted. They just want to shut it

4830
03:20:45,920 --> 03:20:47,279
down so they can get rid of their

4831
03:20:47,279 --> 03:20:48,960
employees.

4832
03:20:48,960 --> 03:20:54,000
By gosh, by by God, you better put some

4833
03:20:54,000 --> 03:20:57,040
money in a legal account and get

4834
03:20:57,040 --> 03:20:59,279
somebody working for you down in

4835
03:20:59,279 --> 03:21:04,630
Indianapolis. Lead the way.

4836
03:21:04,640 --> 03:21:17,670
» Thank you, Mr. President.

4837
03:21:17,680 --> 03:21:20,720
Johannes Pollard, 205 Shadow Trail, uh,

4838
03:21:20,720 --> 03:21:24,560
Michigan Shores, Indiana. Um, to really

4839
03:21:24,560 --> 03:21:27,200
look at the issues of NIPCO, I think you

4840
03:21:27,200 --> 03:21:29,680
need to look at their shareholders. Who

4841
03:21:29,680 --> 03:21:32,479
are their shareholders? Blackstone.

4842
03:21:32,479 --> 03:21:34,640
is a subsidiary of Black

4843
03:21:34,640 --> 03:21:36,960
Rockck. you all you need to do is look

4844
03:21:36,960 --> 03:21:38,960
at that look at the reputation of Black

4845
03:21:38,960 --> 03:21:41,120
Rockck and you'll get all your answers

4846
03:21:41,120 --> 03:21:43,279
right there. Why NIPCO is the way it is.

4847
03:21:43,279 --> 03:21:44,319
Thank you.

4848
03:21:44,319 --> 03:21:46,000
>> Thank you.

4849
03:21:46,000 --> 03:21:47,840
>> Are there any other public comments on

4850
03:21:47,840 --> 03:21:50,640
this resolution?

4851
03:21:50,640 --> 03:21:59,910
>> I'll be quick.

4852
03:21:59,920 --> 03:22:02,960
» Steve Coyle 2015 oral Trail. So, uh

4853
03:22:02,960 --> 03:22:06,319
let's be candid. Um, Nipco is a terrible

4854
03:22:06,319 --> 03:22:09,359
company. I'm sorry. It is. They're not a

4855
03:22:09,359 --> 03:22:11,840
good neighbor. Uh, the people who work

4856
03:22:11,840 --> 03:22:14,399
for them, awesome. The linemen,

4857
03:22:14,399 --> 03:22:16,560
absolutely fantastic. The people in

4858
03:22:16,560 --> 03:22:18,080
customer service who have to put up with

4859
03:22:18,080 --> 03:22:20,560
the abuse that we do every time we call

4860
03:22:20,560 --> 03:22:22,000
them because we're complaining about

4861
03:22:22,000 --> 03:22:24,720
something, absolutely fantastic. But at

4862
03:22:24,720 --> 03:22:27,439
a management level, this is a group of

4863
03:22:27,439 --> 03:22:30,880
people who are just stealing money from

4864
03:22:30,880 --> 03:22:33,040
us. Okay? They're reducing their

4865
03:22:33,040 --> 03:22:36,000
workforce, lowering their labor costs,

4866
03:22:36,000 --> 03:22:38,160
increasing their profits. Last year,

4867
03:22:38,160 --> 03:22:39,680
Nyource

4868
03:22:39,680 --> 03:22:43,920
earned $18 billion in profit. It's a

4869
03:22:43,920 --> 03:22:46,160
damn good investment if you own stock in

4870
03:22:46,160 --> 03:22:49,439
utility companies. Okay? They paid zero

4871
03:22:49,439 --> 03:22:53,439
taxes. We all paid more taxes than a

4872
03:22:53,439 --> 03:22:56,880
corporation who made $18 billion. How do

4873
03:22:56,880 --> 03:23:00,479
you justify that? How do you absolutely

4874
03:23:00,479 --> 03:23:03,680
justify that? You are a public utility.

4875
03:23:03,680 --> 03:23:06,479
You are a monopoly. The only way to

4876
03:23:06,479 --> 03:23:08,960
change this, folks, the only way to

4877
03:23:08,960 --> 03:23:10,720
change it, first and foremost, there's a

4878
03:23:10,720 --> 03:23:14,160
guy in Belasel named Solid. That guy's

4879
03:23:14,160 --> 03:23:15,040
got to be beaten

4880
03:23:15,040 --> 03:23:16,160
>> here. Here,

4881
03:23:16,160 --> 03:23:19,600
>> has to be absolutely beaten. The uh

4882
03:23:19,600 --> 03:23:22,399
Democratic candidates come, he is well

4883
03:23:22,399 --> 03:23:25,279
worth that uh that position and we need

4884
03:23:25,279 --> 03:23:27,520
to do everything we can to help him. If

4885
03:23:27,520 --> 03:23:28,880
you have friends in Velpo, that's where

4886
03:23:28,880 --> 03:23:30,399
they should vote. If you want to know

4887
03:23:30,399 --> 03:23:32,479
why your utility rates are this high,

4888
03:23:32,479 --> 03:23:34,160
Mr. Solid is the person who

4889
03:23:34,160 --> 03:23:36,239
single-handedly

4890
03:23:36,239 --> 03:23:39,279
brought up all the laws that have

4891
03:23:39,279 --> 03:23:42,560
changed our rate structure,

4892
03:23:42,560 --> 03:23:46,239
including the data centers. Okay? They

4893
03:23:46,239 --> 03:23:49,920
got to go. And then you have to get

4894
03:23:49,920 --> 03:23:54,319
people elected such as uh Rodney Paul.

4895
03:23:54,319 --> 03:23:56,479
We have to change the legislature,

4896
03:23:56,479 --> 03:23:59,040
folks. You have to change it. Then you

4897
03:23:59,040 --> 03:24:02,399
can change the IURC board and then you

4898
03:24:02,399 --> 03:24:04,720
can make rate changes.

4899
03:24:04,720 --> 03:24:07,040
Today, there are people in this town

4900
03:24:07,040 --> 03:24:10,800
that are hurting. They are hurting. They

4901
03:24:10,800 --> 03:24:14,080
don't have the money. The utility rates

4902
03:24:14,080 --> 03:24:17,680
are going to go up 9 to 10% every year

4903
03:24:17,680 --> 03:24:20,399
for the next 10 years. And the only

4904
03:24:20,399 --> 03:24:24,239
thing NIPCO is going to offer them is a

4905
03:24:24,239 --> 03:24:25,920
finance plan.

4906
03:24:25,920 --> 03:24:28,160
>> So it's bad enough. I got to take your

4907
03:24:28,160 --> 03:24:30,399
principal money each month. I'm going to

4908
03:24:30,399 --> 03:24:32,800
tack on 98

4909
03:24:32,800 --> 03:24:36,319
7% whatever it is. I'm sorry. So I

4910
03:24:36,319 --> 03:24:39,920
encourage you get out to vote.

4911
03:24:39,920 --> 03:24:42,399
Make a change.

4912
03:24:42,399 --> 03:24:44,560
We can make that change. It can be made

4913
03:24:44,560 --> 03:24:46,640
in Valparezo. It can be made in Michigan

4914
03:24:46,640 --> 03:24:48,479
City. It can be made in the state.

4915
03:24:48,479 --> 03:24:50,319
That's our only hope at this point.

4916
03:24:50,319 --> 03:24:51,439
Thank you very much.

4917
03:24:51,439 --> 03:24:54,160
>> Thank you.

4918
03:24:54,160 --> 03:24:56,239
>> Public comments are now closed. Comments

4919
03:24:56,239 --> 03:24:58,960
from the council.

4920
03:24:58,960 --> 03:25:00,560
>> Are there any comments from the council?

4921
03:25:00,560 --> 03:25:02,080
Councilman Prisbolinski.

4922
03:25:02,080 --> 03:25:04,800
>> Motion to approve. Support.

4923
03:25:04,800 --> 03:25:07,600
>> Madame Clerk. On the vote, please. Mr.

4924
03:25:07,600 --> 03:25:08,399
Davney.

4925
03:25:08,399 --> 03:25:08,800
>> I.

4926
03:25:08,800 --> 03:25:09,680
>> Dr. Cora.

4927
03:25:09,680 --> 03:25:10,080
>> Hi.

4928
03:25:10,080 --> 03:25:10,800
>> Miss Lee.

4929
03:25:10,800 --> 03:25:11,200
>> Hi.

4930
03:25:11,200 --> 03:25:12,640
>> Miss. Molden.

4931
03:25:12,640 --> 03:25:13,600
>> I.

4932
03:25:13,600 --> 03:25:14,720
>> Mr. Nelson.

4933
03:25:14,720 --> 03:25:16,319
>> Hi.

4934
03:25:16,319 --> 03:25:17,600
>> Mr. Presolinsky.

4935
03:25:17,600 --> 03:25:18,880
>> Hi. Miss Tilman

4936
03:25:18,880 --> 03:25:19,200
>> I.

4937
03:25:19,200 --> 03:25:20,479
>> Mr. Beatri I

4938
03:25:20,479 --> 03:25:21,439
>> and Mr. Coulter.

4939
03:25:21,439 --> 03:25:21,840
>> Hi.

4940
03:25:21,840 --> 03:25:23,520
>> We have nine in favor and no one

4941
03:25:23,520 --> 03:25:24,560
opposed.

4942
03:25:24,560 --> 03:25:26,399
>> And this resolution has passed

4943
03:25:26,399 --> 03:25:29,279
unanimously.

4944
03:25:29,279 --> 03:25:31,840
Madame clerk, our ordinance on second

4945
03:25:31,840 --> 03:25:34,160
reading by title only, please.

4946
03:25:34,160 --> 03:25:36,319
>> An ordinance on second reading by title

4947
03:25:36,319 --> 03:25:38,800
only. An ordinance or resolution for

4948
03:25:38,800 --> 03:25:40,880
appropriation and tax rate. And this is

4949
03:25:40,880 --> 03:25:42,479
introduced by Mr. Dan.

4950
03:25:42,479 --> 03:25:44,160
>> And would the sponsor like to make any

4951
03:25:44,160 --> 03:25:51,030
comment?

4952
03:25:51,040 --> 03:25:53,520
comments at this time.

4953
03:25:53,520 --> 03:25:56,319
>> I'm sorry. I do have a couple of um

4954
03:25:56,319 --> 03:25:58,479
changes that need to be made and I need

4955
03:25:58,479 --> 03:25:59,600
to make some motions here, but I'll do

4956
03:25:59,600 --> 03:26:01,040
that when it comes back to us.

4957
03:26:01,040 --> 03:26:03,279
>> Okay. I would like to open this up for

4958
03:26:03,279 --> 03:26:05,439
public comments. Are there any public

4959
03:26:05,439 --> 03:26:07,920
comments on this ordinance? That's on

4960
03:26:07,920 --> 03:26:10,640
second reading.

4961
03:26:10,640 --> 03:26:13,920
Correction. Um,

4962
03:26:13,920 --> 03:26:16,479
this was a formal public hearing will be

4963
03:26:16,479 --> 03:26:20,160
held on October 6, 2026. Downloaded to

4964
03:26:20,160 --> 03:26:24,000
Gateway on September 24th, 2026. I will

4965
03:26:24,000 --> 03:26:26,080
now open this up for a formal public

4966
03:26:26,080 --> 03:26:28,160
hearing. Are there any public comments

4967
03:26:28,160 --> 03:26:31,439
on this ordinance? Are there any public

4968
03:26:31,439 --> 03:26:34,160
comments on this ordinance?

4969
03:26:34,160 --> 03:26:36,000
Last call for public comments on this

4970
03:26:36,000 --> 03:26:38,319
ordinance? And we have no one online.

4971
03:26:38,319 --> 03:26:40,080
Public comments are now closed. comments

4972
03:26:40,080 --> 03:26:42,319
from the council.

4973
03:26:42,319 --> 03:26:42,720
>> Yes,

4974
03:26:42,720 --> 03:26:44,000
>> Councilman Dabney.

4975
03:26:44,000 --> 03:26:45,680
>> And I want to make a motion. I'm going

4976
03:26:45,680 --> 03:26:48,000
to read when we went through budget

4977
03:26:48,000 --> 03:26:51,840
hearings, the committee uh voted on and

4978
03:26:51,840 --> 03:26:54,880
approved a budget reduction which we

4979
03:26:54,880 --> 03:26:56,640
voted upon. Now we bring back to the

4980
03:26:56,640 --> 03:26:59,760
council to consider uh to vote on that

4981
03:26:59,760 --> 03:27:01,520
as well. And this was the budget

4982
03:27:01,520 --> 03:27:03,520
reduction. Uh once again this happened

4983
03:27:03,520 --> 03:27:07,439
on uh committee meeting night uh

4984
03:27:07,439 --> 03:27:11,520
September 21st 2026. It was fund 2209

4985
03:27:11,520 --> 03:27:13,040
account numbers. It was all account

4986
03:27:13,040 --> 03:27:15,359
numbers in that that fund. The

4987
03:27:15,359 --> 03:27:17,359
description of the fund was lit economic

4988
03:27:17,359 --> 03:27:19,760
development fund police department uh

4989
03:27:19,760 --> 03:27:22,880
department 202. The original request was

4990
03:27:22,880 --> 03:27:25,680
$181,800

4991
03:27:25,680 --> 03:27:29,279
and the council reduction is $181,800

4992
03:27:29,279 --> 03:27:32,479
for a revised amount of zero. So the

4993
03:27:32,479 --> 03:27:37,279
whole uh fund was uh cut out and it was

4994
03:27:37,279 --> 03:27:38,960
the council notes I have that that was

4995
03:27:38,960 --> 03:27:40,479
because it was a duplicate had already

4996
03:27:40,479 --> 03:27:42,640
been budgeted somewhere else in in the

4997
03:27:42,640 --> 03:27:46,399
uh in the uh budget. So we made the

4998
03:27:46,399 --> 03:27:48,880
motion and approved this unanimously to

4999
03:27:48,880 --> 03:27:51,520
make this cut and I bring it here to

5000
03:27:51,520 --> 03:27:53,600
make a motion to the uh rest of the

5001
03:27:53,600 --> 03:27:56,800
council to approve said cut.

5002
03:27:56,800 --> 03:27:59,279
>> Second.

5003
03:27:59,279 --> 03:28:01,600
Attorney Harris, do this need to be

5004
03:28:01,600 --> 03:28:03,760
presented to the clerk?

5005
03:28:03,760 --> 03:28:04,560
>> Yes.

5006
03:28:04,560 --> 03:28:05,359
>> In writing?

5007
03:28:05,359 --> 03:28:09,349
>> Yes.

5008
03:28:09,359 --> 03:28:10,000
» You did?

5009
03:28:10,000 --> 03:28:10,960
>> No, I did not.

5010
03:28:10,960 --> 03:28:12,880
>> I was going to say I never saw it.

5011
03:28:12,880 --> 03:28:16,560
>> Yeah, I I can

5012
03:28:16,560 --> 03:28:19,200
submit it to you. Do I need to have it

5013
03:28:19,200 --> 03:28:23,510
tonight or you I mean,

5014
03:28:23,520 --> 03:28:24,960
» that's what the order is, sir.

5015
03:28:24,960 --> 03:28:27,200
>> Yeah. And I made it uh on the finance

5016
03:28:27,200 --> 03:28:29,840
committee meeting minutes. I have that

5017
03:28:29,840 --> 03:28:31,279
when we coded in tonight's finance

5018
03:28:31,279 --> 03:28:32,239
committee, but I'm sorry I didn't have

5019
03:28:32,239 --> 03:28:36,550
that in writing. No,

5020
03:28:36,560 --> 03:28:39,279
» then I I don't

5021
03:28:39,279 --> 03:28:40,960
You mean your minutes that you sent

5022
03:28:40,960 --> 03:28:42,319
tonight at the meeting?

5023
03:28:42,319 --> 03:28:42,720
>> Yeah.

5024
03:28:42,720 --> 03:28:44,560
>> Okay. I don't have that either.

5025
03:28:44,560 --> 03:28:46,560
>> Yeah. I I emailed that right after the

5026
03:28:46,560 --> 03:28:48,399
uh meeting.

5027
03:28:48,399 --> 03:28:50,160
>> According to MUN code,

5028
03:28:50,160 --> 03:28:51,920
>> I understand.

5029
03:28:51,920 --> 03:28:53,840
>> You have to have your amendment in

5030
03:28:53,840 --> 03:28:54,479
writing.

5031
03:28:54,479 --> 03:28:55,840
>> Correct. And so

5032
03:28:55,840 --> 03:28:56,800
>> so should we

5033
03:28:56,800 --> 03:28:58,720
>> send it over?

5034
03:28:58,720 --> 03:29:00,800
>> I have you can say if the goal is to get

5035
03:29:00,800 --> 03:29:02,319
this amended and that's what you're

5036
03:29:02,319 --> 03:29:04,640
asking to be approved by the council and

5037
03:29:04,640 --> 03:29:06,239
we don't have that ready yet. I would

5038
03:29:06,239 --> 03:29:08,720
set it over. You don't have you don't

5039
03:29:08,720 --> 03:29:10,319
have what's being requested to take

5040
03:29:10,319 --> 03:29:11,279
action on. So

5041
03:29:11,279 --> 03:29:13,520
>> so just table this to the next

5042
03:29:13,520 --> 03:29:16,160
>> correct

5043
03:29:16,160 --> 03:29:17,200
you need a motion for that.

5044
03:29:17,200 --> 03:29:18,800
>> Third reading. So they have to make an

5045
03:29:18,800 --> 03:29:21,359
amendment to make amendments on third

5046
03:29:21,359 --> 03:29:21,680
reading.

5047
03:29:21,680 --> 03:29:22,720
>> Right. We'll have to follow that

5048
03:29:22,720 --> 03:29:24,479
procedure when we get there. But yes. So

5049
03:29:24,479 --> 03:29:29,040
may I may I ask a question just for next meeting? What I am submitting

5050
03:29:29,040 --> 03:29:30,880
tonight for the finance committee

5051
03:29:30,880 --> 03:29:34,479
meeting minutes will that suffice as

5052
03:29:34,479 --> 03:29:36,239
being put in writing or would I need to

5053
03:29:36,239 --> 03:29:38,880
make it separate from what I reported in

5054
03:29:38,880 --> 03:29:40,720
tonight's finance committee meeting

5055
03:29:40,720 --> 03:29:41,120
minutes?

5056
03:29:41,120 --> 03:29:42,640
>> It'd be better that it's separate and

5057
03:29:42,640 --> 03:29:44,239
not just the minutes. We could talk

5058
03:29:44,239 --> 03:29:45,439
about that afterwards, but we'll make

5059
03:29:45,439 --> 03:29:47,200
sure it's in proper order for the clerk.

5060
03:29:47,200 --> 03:29:48,720
>> Yep. Just want to make sure it's in in

5061
03:29:48,720 --> 03:29:50,800
order. Okay.

5062
03:29:50,800 --> 03:29:54,720
May I entertain a motion to have this um

5063
03:29:54,720 --> 03:30:00,710
tabled until the next council meeting.

5064
03:30:00,720 --> 03:30:11,429
» Madame clerk, on the vote, please.

5065
03:30:11,439 --> 03:30:23,030
» Yeah, we could do second and third week.

5066
03:30:23,040 --> 03:30:33,190
I know.

5067
03:30:33,200 --> 03:30:34,479
» I know.

5068
03:30:34,479 --> 03:30:35,200
>> There is a time.

5069
03:30:35,200 --> 03:30:36,239
>> There's a time.

5070
03:30:36,239 --> 03:30:40,000
>> So, you you can vote to suspend the

5071
03:30:40,000 --> 03:30:43,200
rules to approve it amendments on third

5072
03:30:43,200 --> 03:30:44,800
reading.

5073
03:30:44,800 --> 03:30:46,399
>> That's what you can do. You don't have

5074
03:30:46,399 --> 03:30:49,600
to table it. You can just have a motion

5075
03:30:49,600 --> 03:30:53,120
to amend on third reading and still let

5076
03:30:53,120 --> 03:30:56,080
it be move on to the next reading. But

5077
03:30:56,080 --> 03:30:59,120
you all have to vote to amend. I mean,

5078
03:30:59,120 --> 03:31:02,960
you all have to vote two/3 vote to be

5079
03:31:02,960 --> 03:31:04,640
able to do it on third reading.

5080
03:31:04,640 --> 03:31:05,680
>> Yeah. At the next

5081
03:31:05,680 --> 03:31:06,960
>> at the next meeting.

5082
03:31:06,960 --> 03:31:08,720
>> So, I have also changes in the salary

5083
03:31:08,720 --> 03:31:10,319
ordinance that would need to be made as

5084
03:31:10,319 --> 03:31:12,000
well. So, we do it all on third reading.

5085
03:31:12,000 --> 03:31:13,680
>> I thought Amber sent those over.

5086
03:31:13,680 --> 03:31:16,560
>> She did. The other ones were sent over.

5087
03:31:16,560 --> 03:31:18,160
>> Yeah, the other ones were sent over.

5088
03:31:18,160 --> 03:31:19,200
>> Okay.

5089
03:31:19,200 --> 03:31:21,760
>> It's just that particular one that um

5090
03:31:21,760 --> 03:31:25,200
was the duplicate in the uh

5091
03:31:25,200 --> 03:31:27,840
>> that we caught after the fact.

5092
03:31:27,840 --> 03:31:29,680
>> Yeah. If timing is the issue, then that

5093
03:31:29,680 --> 03:31:31,520
is the better route to go.

5094
03:31:31,520 --> 03:31:32,080
>> Okay.

5095
03:31:32,080 --> 03:31:33,439
>> Everyone just has to be on board to make

5096
03:31:33,439 --> 03:31:34,960
the amendment on third reading.

5097
03:31:34,960 --> 03:31:36,720
>> Do I need to withdraw my

5098
03:31:36,720 --> 03:31:43,030
>> two3?

5099
03:31:43,040 --> 03:31:47,120
Do I need to withdraw my motion?

5100
03:31:47,120 --> 03:31:49,520
Excuse me. Id like to withdraw my motion

5101
03:31:49,520 --> 03:31:51,520
to have this table to the next council

5102
03:31:51,520 --> 03:31:53,840
meeting.

5103
03:31:53,840 --> 03:31:56,880
May I entertain?

5104
03:31:56,880 --> 03:31:58,880
>> Do I have to vote? Okay, just

5105
03:31:58,880 --> 03:32:00,160
withdrawing it. Okay.

5106
03:32:00,160 --> 03:32:01,760
>> Okay.

5107
03:32:01,760 --> 03:32:03,439
>> Then

5108
03:32:03,439 --> 03:32:04,960
are there any other comments from the

5109
03:32:04,960 --> 03:32:07,279
council? If there are none, this

5110
03:32:07,279 --> 03:32:10,239
ordinance will carry over to the next

5111
03:32:10,239 --> 03:32:13,429
council meeting.

5112
03:32:13,439 --> 03:32:15,760
Okay,

5113
03:32:15,760 --> 03:32:17,520
>> Madame Clerk, our next ordinance by

5114
03:32:17,520 --> 03:32:20,000
title only, please.

5115
03:32:20,000 --> 03:32:22,560
>> And a uh an ordinance on second reading

5116
03:32:22,560 --> 03:32:25,279
by title only, an ordinance setting

5117
03:32:25,279 --> 03:32:27,439
salaries and wages for an appointed

5118
03:32:27,439 --> 03:32:29,200
officials and employees of the city of

5119
03:32:29,200 --> 03:32:31,279
Michigan City, Indiana for the calendar

5120
03:32:31,279 --> 03:32:34,399
year 2027. And this is introduced by Mr.

5121
03:32:34,399 --> 03:32:35,279
Davany.

5122
03:32:35,279 --> 03:32:37,040
>> And would this sponsor like to make any

5123
03:32:37,040 --> 03:32:39,680
comments? Yes, as we just heard, this

5124
03:32:39,680 --> 03:32:43,439
was sent over into the clerk's office um

5125
03:32:43,439 --> 03:32:47,520
by our uh city attorney and so I can uh

5126
03:32:47,520 --> 03:32:48,960
make these changes in the salary

5127
03:32:48,960 --> 03:32:50,880
ordinance and I will make a motion that

5128
03:32:50,880 --> 03:32:56,239
we approve these changes and um in

5129
03:32:56,239 --> 03:32:58,479
planning and inspection

5130
03:32:58,479 --> 03:33:01,680
uh the high-end uh pay range was listed

5131
03:33:01,680 --> 03:33:05,750
at $69,345

5132
03:33:05,760 --> 03:33:07,680
and however it was listed

5133
03:33:07,680 --> 03:33:10,399
at um

5134
03:33:10,399 --> 03:33:15,040
at 60 it should be listed at 62,000

5135
03:33:15,040 --> 03:33:18,239
and that was a pay rate um change in uh

5136
03:33:18,239 --> 03:33:22,790
planning and inspection

5137
03:33:22,800 --> 03:33:24,720
and I make a motion that we approve such

5138
03:33:24,720 --> 03:33:26,479
change

5139
03:33:26,479 --> 03:33:28,560
support.

5140
03:33:28,560 --> 03:33:31,120
>> Madame clerk on the vote please

5141
03:33:31,120 --> 03:33:32,960
>> you should make a motion to amend by

5142
03:33:32,960 --> 03:33:33,920
substitute.

5143
03:33:33,920 --> 03:33:37,190
>> Yes.

5144
03:33:37,200 --> 03:33:38,319
Second, Tim.

5145
03:33:38,319 --> 03:33:40,399
>> Yeah.

5146
03:33:40,399 --> 03:33:45,030
>> Um,

5147
03:33:45,040 --> 03:33:48,720
» Mr. Dr. Corora.

5148
03:33:48,720 --> 03:33:49,840
>> Hi,

5149
03:33:49,840 --> 03:33:50,720
>> Miss Lee.

5150
03:33:50,720 --> 03:33:51,279
>> Hi,

5151
03:33:51,279 --> 03:33:52,880
>> Miss Molden.

5152
03:33:52,880 --> 03:33:54,720
>> Hi.

5153
03:33:54,720 --> 03:33:58,950
>> Oh,

5154
03:33:58,960 --> 03:34:00,960
yes.

5155
03:34:00,960 --> 03:34:04,790
>> Okay. Uh

5156
03:34:04,800 --> 03:34:06,880
she

5157
03:34:06,880 --> 03:34:09,910
miss

5158
03:34:09,920 --> 03:34:10,960
» we just want to make a point of

5159
03:34:10,960 --> 03:34:12,479
clarification because this is a budget

5160
03:34:12,479 --> 03:34:14,720
matter and Councilwoman Waldenower is

5161
03:34:14,720 --> 03:34:16,560
attending virtually that she's not

5162
03:34:16,560 --> 03:34:18,160
eligible to vote on any matters

5163
03:34:18,160 --> 03:34:20,960
concerning uh the budget. Yes,

5164
03:34:20,960 --> 03:34:27,110
>> I abstain.

5165
03:34:27,120 --> 03:34:30,560
» Okay. Yeah. Mr. President Binski

5166
03:34:30,560 --> 03:34:30,960
>> I.

5167
03:34:30,960 --> 03:34:31,760
>> Miss Tilman.

5168
03:34:31,760 --> 03:34:32,160
>> Hi.

5169
03:34:32,160 --> 03:34:33,040
>> Mr. Beatri.

5170
03:34:33,040 --> 03:34:33,439
>> Hi.

5171
03:34:33,439 --> 03:34:34,239
>> Mr. Calter.

5172
03:34:34,239 --> 03:34:34,560
>> Hi.

5173
03:34:34,560 --> 03:34:36,319
>> And Mr. Dabney.

5174
03:34:36,319 --> 03:34:36,800
>> I.

5175
03:34:36,800 --> 03:34:38,720
>> We have seven in favor and no one

5176
03:34:38,720 --> 03:34:39,439
opposed.

5177
03:34:39,439 --> 03:34:41,920
>> And I actually I read over something. I

5178
03:34:41,920 --> 03:34:43,680
missed it when I was reading that. This

5179
03:34:43,680 --> 03:34:46,640
is for that associate planner position.

5180
03:34:46,640 --> 03:34:48,720
>> We did it by substitution. I think

5181
03:34:48,720 --> 03:34:50,160
>> but I didn't just I didn't put that out

5182
03:34:50,160 --> 03:34:51,600
loud that it was the associate planner

5183
03:34:51,600 --> 03:34:55,279
position. I'm sorry about that.

5184
03:34:55,279 --> 03:34:58,080
And then I have a another

5185
03:34:58,080 --> 03:35:00,560
that we need to approve as well. And

5186
03:35:00,560 --> 03:35:02,399
this is for the street department. And

5187
03:35:02,399 --> 03:35:05,120
we needed to add the position back into

5188
03:35:05,120 --> 03:35:08,000
the budget um because it was just

5189
03:35:08,000 --> 03:35:10,560
missing from the the paperwork. It was

5190
03:35:10,560 --> 03:35:13,439
the field supervisor with a salary range

5191
03:35:13,439 --> 03:35:16,640
of 56,000 to $62,000.

5192
03:35:16,640 --> 03:35:19,439
And I make a motion that that is added

5193
03:35:19,439 --> 03:35:21,279
back into the the street department

5194
03:35:21,279 --> 03:35:22,000
budget.

5195
03:35:22,000 --> 03:35:24,880
>> Good work.

5196
03:35:24,880 --> 03:35:27,359
Is there a second by substitution?

5197
03:35:27,359 --> 03:35:27,760
Amendment

5198
03:35:27,760 --> 03:35:31,429
>> by substitution.

5199
03:35:31,439 --> 03:35:33,520
» Okay, we're good.

5200
03:35:33,520 --> 03:35:34,720
>> Okay,

5201
03:35:34,720 --> 03:35:38,160
>> we got a support by Councilman Beatric.

5202
03:35:38,160 --> 03:35:42,319
>> She said we didn't we didn't need it.

5203
03:35:42,319 --> 03:35:45,200
Well, fine. Well done.

5204
03:35:45,200 --> 03:35:49,670
>> We didn't vote on that.

5205
03:35:49,680 --> 03:35:52,399
» Pardon?

5206
03:35:52,399 --> 03:35:57,670
What did what did you

5207
03:35:57,680 --> 03:35:59,279
» I didn't do the street department. I I

5208
03:35:59,279 --> 03:36:02,239
read planning and inspection.

5209
03:36:02,239 --> 03:36:03,920
So I just did the same thing with street

5210
03:36:03,920 --> 03:36:06,479
department.

5211
03:36:06,479 --> 03:36:08,000
So we're voting on them. We're voting on

5212
03:36:08,000 --> 03:36:10,479
them separately.

5213
03:36:10,479 --> 03:36:12,239
I didn't put them both in in the same

5214
03:36:12,239 --> 03:36:14,880
motion,

5215
03:36:14,880 --> 03:36:16,960
>> but it's all in the same packet.

5216
03:36:16,960 --> 03:36:18,960
>> It's all in the same packet, but there's

5217
03:36:18,960 --> 03:36:20,399
two separate changes. and I just want us

5218
03:36:20,399 --> 03:36:22,560
to vote on each change.

5219
03:36:22,560 --> 03:36:24,399
>> Yeah, it it's your motion. So,

5220
03:36:24,399 --> 03:36:26,960
>> thank you.

5221
03:36:26,960 --> 03:36:30,319
>> May I entertain a motion?

5222
03:36:30,319 --> 03:36:33,279
>> I made a motion to to change the street

5223
03:36:33,279 --> 03:36:34,800
department or add the position of field

5224
03:36:34,800 --> 03:36:38,000
supervisor with a salary range of 56,000

5225
03:36:38,000 --> 03:36:40,239
62,000. And I thought that Councilman

5226
03:36:40,239 --> 03:36:43,439
Beatri seconded that.

5227
03:36:43,439 --> 03:36:45,520
>> I mean, those were in the changes that

5228
03:36:45,520 --> 03:36:48,239
uh attorney Leage gave.

5229
03:36:48,239 --> 03:36:49,760
>> Yes, it was. Okay. Yes.

5230
03:36:49,760 --> 03:36:53,439
>> All right. To be you want them separate.

5231
03:36:53,439 --> 03:36:55,359
>> You want your motion to be separate.

5232
03:36:55,359 --> 03:36:57,040
>> There were I did two separate motions. I

5233
03:36:57,040 --> 03:36:59,040
did the the planning and inspection

5234
03:36:59,040 --> 03:37:00,640
first and now I just did street

5235
03:37:00,640 --> 03:37:01,760
department. There were two separate

5236
03:37:01,760 --> 03:37:03,200
motions. I didn't put them all in in

5237
03:37:03,200 --> 03:37:12,070
one.

5238
03:37:12,080 --> 03:37:13,840
» Okay.

5239
03:37:13,840 --> 03:37:16,800
>> And we have Dr. Kora.

5240
03:37:16,800 --> 03:37:17,680
>> Hi.

5241
03:37:17,680 --> 03:37:19,040
>> Miss Lee. I

5242
03:37:19,040 --> 03:37:21,600
>> Miss Molden.

5243
03:37:21,600 --> 03:37:22,319
>> Oh, she can't.

5244
03:37:22,319 --> 03:37:25,439
>> She can't. Mr.

5245
03:37:25,439 --> 03:37:27,040
>> Mr. Presolinsky.

5246
03:37:27,040 --> 03:37:27,439
>> Hi,

5247
03:37:27,439 --> 03:37:28,239
>> Miss Tman.

5248
03:37:28,239 --> 03:37:28,640
>> Hi,

5249
03:37:28,640 --> 03:37:29,920
>> Mr. Beatri. Hi,

5250
03:37:29,920 --> 03:37:31,120
>> Mr. Coulter. Hi.

5251
03:37:31,120 --> 03:37:32,560
>> And Mr. Dabney.

5252
03:37:32,560 --> 03:37:33,439
>> Hi.

5253
03:37:33,439 --> 03:37:35,120
>> There are seven in favor and no one

5254
03:37:35,120 --> 03:37:37,760
opposed.

5255
03:37:37,760 --> 03:37:44,229
Okay.

5256
03:37:44,239 --> 03:37:46,239
Madame clerk, if you would on our next

5257
03:37:46,239 --> 03:37:47,600
ordinance,

5258
03:37:47,600 --> 03:37:49,760
>> an ordinance on second reading by title

5259
03:37:49,760 --> 03:37:52,479
only an ordinance setting the annual

5260
03:37:52,479 --> 03:37:53,920
salary for the mayor and this is

5261
03:37:53,920 --> 03:37:57,040
introduced by Mr. J.

5262
03:37:57,040 --> 03:37:59,840
>> Does the sponsor like to say anything?

5263
03:37:59,840 --> 03:38:02,239
>> I do not have any comment.

5264
03:38:02,239 --> 03:38:04,080
>> I would like to open this up then for

5265
03:38:04,080 --> 03:38:06,239
public comment on this ordinance on

5266
03:38:06,239 --> 03:38:08,640
second reading. Are there any public

5267
03:38:08,640 --> 03:38:11,200
comments on this ordinance?

5268
03:38:11,200 --> 03:38:13,200
Are there any public comments on this

5269
03:38:13,200 --> 03:38:16,640
ordinance? We have no one online.

5270
03:38:16,640 --> 03:38:18,479
This is last call for public comments.

5271
03:38:18,479 --> 03:38:20,160
are now closed. Comments

5272
03:38:20,160 --> 03:38:22,160
from the council. Are there any comments

5273
03:38:22,160 --> 03:38:26,640
from the council? Councilman Dabney?

5274
03:38:26,640 --> 03:38:28,720
Okay. If there are no comments from the

5275
03:38:28,720 --> 03:38:30,960
council, this ordinance will be held

5276
03:38:30,960 --> 03:38:37,349
over for um for third reading.

5277
03:38:37,359 --> 03:38:39,359
Madam clerk, our next ordinance by title

5278
03:38:39,359 --> 03:38:41,520
only, please. An ordinance on second

5279
03:38:41,520 --> 03:38:43,600
reading by title only. An ordinance

5280
03:38:43,600 --> 03:38:45,439
setting the annual salary of the city

5281
03:38:45,439 --> 03:38:47,279
clerk. And this is introduced by Mr.

5282
03:38:47,279 --> 03:38:48,160
Dav.

5283
03:38:48,160 --> 03:38:50,160
>> And would council Davin like to make any

5284
03:38:50,160 --> 03:38:50,960
comments?

5285
03:38:50,960 --> 03:38:52,239
>> No comment.

5286
03:38:52,239 --> 03:38:54,000
>> If there are none, this ordinance is not

5287
03:38:54,000 --> 03:38:56,800
open for public comments. Are there any

5288
03:38:56,800 --> 03:38:59,600
public comments on this ordinance? Any

5289
03:38:59,600 --> 03:39:02,399
public comments on this ordinance? This

5290
03:39:02,399 --> 03:39:04,239
is last call for public comments on this

5291
03:39:04,239 --> 03:39:06,399
ordinance. There are none. No one

5292
03:39:06,399 --> 03:39:08,960
online. Public comments are now closed.

5293
03:39:08,960 --> 03:39:12,080
Any comments from the council?

5294
03:39:12,080 --> 03:39:14,640
No

5295
03:39:14,640 --> 03:39:16,000
comments from the council. This

5296
03:39:16,000 --> 03:39:17,680
ordinance will carry over to third

5297
03:39:17,680 --> 03:39:19,359
reading.

5298
03:39:19,359 --> 03:39:22,000
Madame clerk, our next ordinance on

5299
03:39:22,000 --> 03:39:23,760
second reading by title only.

5300
03:39:23,760 --> 03:39:26,080
>> An ordinance on second reading by title

5301
03:39:26,080 --> 03:39:28,720
only. An ordinance setting the annual

5302
03:39:28,720 --> 03:39:30,720
salaries for the common council members.

5303
03:39:30,720 --> 03:39:33,680
And this is introduced by Mr. Dav.

5304
03:39:33,680 --> 03:39:36,080
>> Any comments from

5305
03:39:36,080 --> 03:39:38,160
>> sponsor? There are none. This ordinance

5306
03:39:38,160 --> 03:39:40,080
is now open for public comment. Are

5307
03:39:40,080 --> 03:39:41,520
there any public comments on this

5308
03:39:41,520 --> 03:39:44,399
ordinance? Any public comments on this

5309
03:39:44,399 --> 03:39:46,880
ordinance?

5310
03:39:46,880 --> 03:40:04,710
>> No.

5311
03:40:04,720 --> 03:40:07,520
Chris Bolinsky, 1716 Washington Street.

5312
03:40:07,520 --> 03:40:10,399
This is uh I am correct what I'm looking

5313
03:40:10,399 --> 03:40:12,960
at then. Ordinance setting the an annual

5314
03:40:12,960 --> 03:40:16,800
salaries of the common council members.

5315
03:40:16,800 --> 03:40:18,640
Well, I don't think a damn one of you

5316
03:40:18,640 --> 03:40:21,120
should get a raise for all the taxes you

5317
03:40:21,120 --> 03:40:24,319
passed on me this year.

5318
03:40:24,319 --> 03:40:25,760
>> Thank you, Council Member Prisbolinski.

5319
03:40:25,760 --> 03:40:30,150
Are there any other public comments?

5320
03:40:30,160 --> 03:40:32,000
This will be the last call for public

5321
03:40:32,000 --> 03:40:34,560
comments on this ordinance. Public

5322
03:40:34,560 --> 03:40:36,160
comments are now closed. Any comments

5323
03:40:36,160 --> 03:40:38,560
from the council?

5324
03:40:38,560 --> 03:40:40,960
There's

5325
03:40:40,960 --> 03:40:42,399
no comments from the council. This will

5326
03:40:42,399 --> 03:40:49,510
be held over for third reading.

5327
03:40:49,520 --> 03:40:52,319
Well, we are now on the end of our

5328
03:40:52,319 --> 03:40:55,040
agenda. Um, Madame Clerk, do we have any

5329
03:40:55,040 --> 03:40:56,800
new business?

5330
03:40:56,800 --> 03:41:01,200
>> Uh, we uh have the 2027 common council

5331
03:41:01,200 --> 03:41:03,840
meeting dates.

5332
03:41:03,840 --> 03:41:06,080
>> Okay. So, council members, we have

5333
03:41:06,080 --> 03:41:09,359
before us um the 2027 common council

5334
03:41:09,359 --> 03:41:13,920
meeting dates um which reflect um in

5335
03:41:13,920 --> 03:41:18,160
2027 the primaries, the national night

5336
03:41:18,160 --> 03:41:22,399
out and um the general election as well.

5337
03:41:22,399 --> 03:41:24,399
Is that correct? Um Madame Clerk?

5338
03:41:24,399 --> 03:41:24,960
>> Yes.

5339
03:41:24,960 --> 03:41:28,000
>> Okay. So, may I entertain a motion to

5340
03:41:28,000 --> 03:41:30,560
approve the 2027 common council meeting

5341
03:41:30,560 --> 03:41:31,200
dates?

5342
03:41:31,200 --> 03:41:32,319
>> So,

5343
03:41:32,319 --> 03:41:33,359
>> is there a second?

5344
03:41:33,359 --> 03:41:35,200
>> Second. Madame clerk, on the vote,

5345
03:41:35,200 --> 03:41:36,160
please.

5346
03:41:36,160 --> 03:41:37,600
>> Miss Lee, I

5347
03:41:37,600 --> 03:41:40,160
>> Mr. Miss Moldenower,

5348
03:41:40,160 --> 03:41:41,120
>> I.

5349
03:41:41,120 --> 03:41:44,160
>> Mr. Nelson,

5350
03:41:44,160 --> 03:41:45,840
>> I

5351
03:41:45,840 --> 03:41:47,760
>> Mr. Presolinski,

5352
03:41:47,760 --> 03:41:48,239
>> hi.

5353
03:41:48,239 --> 03:41:49,120
>> Miss Tman,

5354
03:41:49,120 --> 03:41:49,600
>> hi.

5355
03:41:49,600 --> 03:41:50,479
>> Mr. Beatric,

5356
03:41:50,479 --> 03:41:50,800
>> hi.

5357
03:41:50,800 --> 03:41:51,600
>> Mr. Calter,

5358
03:41:51,600 --> 03:41:52,000
>> hi.

5359
03:41:52,000 --> 03:41:53,279
>> Mr. Dabney,

5360
03:41:53,279 --> 03:41:53,680
>> hi.

5361
03:41:53,680 --> 03:41:54,640
>> And Dr. Coral,

5362
03:41:54,640 --> 03:41:55,279
>> hi.

5363
03:41:55,279 --> 03:41:56,800
>> There's nine in favor and no one

5364
03:41:56,800 --> 03:41:58,319
opposed.

5365
03:41:58,319 --> 03:42:01,279
>> Thank you. The 2027 has been approved

5366
03:42:01,279 --> 03:42:03,279
for the Michigan City Common Council

5367
03:42:03,279 --> 03:42:06,080
meeting dates. Madame Clerk, do we have

5368
03:42:06,080 --> 03:42:07,600
any unfinished business?

5369
03:42:07,600 --> 03:42:11,990
>> There is no unfinished business.

5370
03:42:12,000 --> 03:42:15,760
» Um, we are now at public comments. Are

5371
03:42:15,760 --> 03:42:18,560
there any public comments at this time?

5372
03:42:18,560 --> 03:42:20,560
Are there any public comments at this

5373
03:42:20,560 --> 03:42:22,399
time?

5374
03:42:22,399 --> 03:42:24,399
Please state your name, your full name,

5375
03:42:24,399 --> 03:42:26,479
and your address, please. And you are

5376
03:42:26,479 --> 03:42:28,239
allotted your three minutes.

5377
03:42:28,239 --> 03:42:32,479
>> Roger. Will it be 401 East 7th Street?

5378
03:42:32,479 --> 03:42:36,150
Um,

5379
03:42:36,160 --> 03:42:39,040
I think the most difficult thing

5380
03:42:39,040 --> 03:42:41,520
uh everybody that's elected on the city

5381
03:42:41,520 --> 03:42:44,479
council has to understand and sometimes

5382
03:42:44,479 --> 03:42:47,920
it gets lost in translation.

5383
03:42:47,920 --> 03:42:50,080
When I hear

5384
03:42:50,080 --> 03:42:52,560
city employees

5385
03:42:52,560 --> 03:42:56,563
say that uh the totar is the city's

5386
03:42:56,563 --> 03:42:58,160
[sighs]

5387
03:42:58,160 --> 03:43:00,800
uh property.

5388
03:43:00,800 --> 03:43:03,760
That's where we get we lose our our

5389
03:43:03,760 --> 03:43:05,520
base.

5390
03:43:05,520 --> 03:43:08,560
I am the city. So is everybody behind

5391
03:43:08,560 --> 03:43:12,070
me.

5392
03:43:12,080 --> 03:43:15,439
When you when you do something, we pay

5393
03:43:15,439 --> 03:43:18,160
for it. And I think what might change

5394
03:43:18,160 --> 03:43:19,760
your perspective on a couple things here

5395
03:43:19,760 --> 03:43:22,720
as we go forward in 27,

5396
03:43:22,720 --> 03:43:26,239
maybe forego your raise

5397
03:43:26,239 --> 03:43:30,800
and put yourself in the 40% that are

5398
03:43:30,800 --> 03:43:33,920
struggling. Cut your pay in half and see

5399
03:43:33,920 --> 03:43:38,469
how you feel about an NIPCO race.

5400
03:43:38,479 --> 03:43:41,040
That that's the disconnect.

5401
03:43:41,040 --> 03:43:44,239
It's really disconnected.

5402
03:43:44,239 --> 03:43:46,239
It it's it's becoming a job. It's not

5403
03:43:46,239 --> 03:43:50,309
becoming public service.

5404
03:43:50,319 --> 03:43:53,040
Okay. The number is going to keep going

5405
03:43:53,040 --> 03:43:54,960
up. And there will come a time and point

5406
03:43:54,960 --> 03:43:58,640
in my kids generation, police, fire, all

5407
03:43:58,640 --> 03:44:01,199
that. It's going to dissipate because of

5408
03:44:01,199 --> 03:44:02,960
technology.

5409
03:44:02,960 --> 03:44:05,520
It's it's just going to the cars will

5410
03:44:05,520 --> 03:44:07,760
stop. You won't you won't have a police

5411
03:44:07,760 --> 03:44:09,520
chase.

5412
03:44:09,520 --> 03:44:11,600
They're just going to press a button and

5413
03:44:11,600 --> 03:44:13,760
you're not going anywhere.

5414
03:44:13,760 --> 03:44:16,399
From your money to everything.

5415
03:44:16,399 --> 03:44:18,000
And I'd like to say something for the

5416
03:44:18,000 --> 03:44:20,960
record. The data center did not fall on

5417
03:44:20,960 --> 03:44:23,840
anybody on this city council.

5418
03:44:23,840 --> 03:44:26,239
It was a redevelopment commission. You

5419
03:44:26,239 --> 03:44:28,239
didn't have a say in it at all. It was

5420
03:44:28,239 --> 03:44:30,479
already a done deal.

5421
03:44:30,479 --> 03:44:32,960
Okay. I paid attention. It's not

5422
03:44:32,960 --> 03:44:35,120
anybody's fault here what happened with

5423
03:44:35,120 --> 03:44:36,560
the data center. That's not even on the

5424
03:44:36,560 --> 03:44:38,319
mayor.

5425
03:44:38,319 --> 03:44:40,160
It's not.

5426
03:44:40,160 --> 03:44:42,160
It was done through redevelop commission

5427
03:44:42,160 --> 03:44:44,880
and they did a terrible deal and you

5428
03:44:44,880 --> 03:44:47,120
should fire that guy.

5429
03:44:47,120 --> 03:44:49,520
You should fire it. It's the worst deal

5430
03:44:49,520 --> 03:44:51,439
on the planet.

5431
03:44:51,439 --> 03:44:54,080
A billion dollar computer

5432
03:44:54,080 --> 03:44:57,520
for a $16 million permit and a $350,000

5433
03:44:57,520 --> 03:45:00,399
year annuity over 40 years.

5434
03:45:00,399 --> 03:45:01,760
A fifth grader could do better than

5435
03:45:01,760 --> 03:45:03,359
that.

5436
03:45:03,359 --> 03:45:04,560
Have a good evening.

5437
03:45:04,560 --> 03:45:13,590
>> Thank you, Mr.

5438
03:45:13,600 --> 03:45:16,880
Johannes Pollard, uh, 205 Shadow Trail,

5439
03:45:16,880 --> 03:45:20,000
Michigan Shores, Indiana. Uh, first of

5440
03:45:20,000 --> 03:45:21,840
all, I would like to thank the council

5441
03:45:21,840 --> 03:45:24,239
for killing the ordinance on the rainy

5442
03:45:24,239 --> 03:45:27,600
day fund uh, for the flock cameras, the

5443
03:45:27,600 --> 03:45:30,319
additional flock cameras. But I believe

5444
03:45:30,319 --> 03:45:33,040
we need to go farther. I believe once

5445
03:45:33,040 --> 03:45:35,279
the contract for flock comes up in

5446
03:45:35,279 --> 03:45:39,199
January, it should be cut and the flock

5447
03:45:39,199 --> 03:45:40,800
cameras should be all removed from

5448
03:45:40,800 --> 03:45:42,720
Michigan City. We need to go back to the

5449
03:45:42,720 --> 03:45:46,080
US Constitution and the Fourth Amendment

5450
03:45:46,080 --> 03:45:49,920
that bars any kind of uh seizure,

5451
03:45:49,920 --> 03:45:52,399
unlawful seizure without probable cause,

5452
03:45:52,399 --> 03:45:54,800
including surveillance.

5453
03:45:54,800 --> 03:45:58,800
And I think it would do well to have the

5454
03:45:58,800 --> 03:46:00,960
police be back in the good old days

5455
03:46:00,960 --> 03:46:03,359
where they would be more part of the

5456
03:46:03,359 --> 03:46:06,319
community speaking with local members of

5457
03:46:06,319 --> 03:46:08,880
the community instead of a lot of the

5458
03:46:08,880 --> 03:46:11,600
harassment that I've been reading about

5459
03:46:11,600 --> 03:46:13,439
uh including what happened to me last

5460
03:46:13,439 --> 03:46:16,720
year. Uh, and I think maybe that might

5461
03:46:16,720 --> 03:46:18,960
solve a lot more problems instead of

5462
03:46:18,960 --> 03:46:21,520
having a surveillance setup that treats

5463
03:46:21,520 --> 03:46:23,680
all the law-abiding citizens like common

5464
03:46:23,680 --> 03:46:32,229
criminals. Thank you.

5465
03:46:32,239 --> 03:46:34,239
» Assistant Chief Ks Michigan State Police

5466
03:46:34,239 --> 03:46:35,840
Department.

5467
03:46:35,840 --> 03:46:38,080
past several months uh has given the

5468
03:46:38,080 --> 03:46:40,160
council in this community a fairly

5469
03:46:40,160 --> 03:46:43,279
uncommon look inside of this police

5470
03:46:43,279 --> 03:46:45,279
department. We've discussed what if

5471
03:46:45,279 --> 03:46:47,680
officers required to do when using

5472
03:46:47,680 --> 03:46:49,680
systems like flock and other technology.

5473
03:46:49,680 --> 03:46:51,279
We've discussed documentation,

5474
03:46:51,279 --> 03:46:53,680
supervision, retention, information

5475
03:46:53,680 --> 03:46:55,760
sharing, auditing, policy, and

5476
03:46:55,760 --> 03:46:58,960
discipline. And as that hap or and as

5477
03:46:58,960 --> 03:47:00,880
the chief's update uh highlighted

5478
03:47:00,880 --> 03:47:04,000
tonight demonstrates, you've also seen

5479
03:47:04,000 --> 03:47:05,840
what happens when activity raises

5480
03:47:05,840 --> 03:47:08,000
concerns and department administration

5481
03:47:08,000 --> 03:47:10,800
has to has a responsibility to examine

5482
03:47:10,800 --> 03:47:13,120
the conduct of one of our own. The

5483
03:47:13,120 --> 03:47:15,120
accountability isn't something we

5484
03:47:15,120 --> 03:47:17,840
created for this proposal. Our officers

5485
03:47:17,840 --> 03:47:19,520
have always been expected to use law

5486
03:47:19,520 --> 03:47:21,840
enforcement systems for legitimate

5487
03:47:21,840 --> 03:47:24,239
purposes. Our supervisors and

5488
03:47:24,239 --> 03:47:25,680
administrators have always been

5489
03:47:25,680 --> 03:47:28,160
responsible to oversee those systems.

5490
03:47:28,160 --> 03:47:30,239
And when information indicates that one

5491
03:47:30,239 --> 03:47:32,399
of our employees may not have met our

5492
03:47:32,399 --> 03:47:35,040
standards, we have a responsibility to

5493
03:47:35,040 --> 03:47:36,960
examine it.

5494
03:47:36,960 --> 03:47:38,399
What we have done throughout this

5495
03:47:38,399 --> 03:47:40,080
process is look critically at these

5496
03:47:40,080 --> 03:47:42,560
practices and make strong system

5497
03:47:42,560 --> 03:47:45,520
stronger. As the technology itself

5498
03:47:45,520 --> 03:47:47,520
continues to evolve, we have

5499
03:47:47,520 --> 03:47:49,680
strengthened documentation requirements.

5500
03:47:49,680 --> 03:47:51,520
We have incorporated enhanced auditing

5501
03:47:51,520 --> 03:47:53,439
capabilities. We have used multifactor

5502
03:47:53,439 --> 03:47:55,520
authentication for our users. We have

5503
03:47:55,520 --> 03:47:57,439
increased public transparency through

5504
03:47:57,439 --> 03:48:00,560
the MCPD transparency portal and we have

5505
03:48:00,560 --> 03:48:02,239
developed clear policies and more

5506
03:48:02,239 --> 03:48:04,080
defined governance framework around

5507
03:48:04,080 --> 03:48:07,120
these technologies. Those improvements

5508
03:48:07,120 --> 03:48:09,359
are here to stay. They aren't contingent

5509
03:48:09,359 --> 03:48:11,040
upon an appropriation. They aren't

5510
03:48:11,040 --> 03:48:12,640
weren't developed simply to secure

5511
03:48:12,640 --> 03:48:14,720
approval for an ordinance. They are

5512
03:48:14,720 --> 03:48:16,319
responsible practices and they're

5513
03:48:16,319 --> 03:48:17,920
consistent with the standards that we

5514
03:48:17,920 --> 03:48:20,138
expect ourselves as a department.

5515
03:48:20,138 --> 03:48:20,720
[snorts]

5516
03:48:20,720 --> 03:48:22,960
We will continue auditing the technology

5517
03:48:22,960 --> 03:48:25,520
we operate. We will continue requiring

5518
03:48:25,520 --> 03:48:26,960
legitimate law enforcement and

5519
03:48:26,960 --> 03:48:29,040
appropriate documentation. We will

5520
03:48:29,040 --> 03:48:31,040
continue being transparent about how

5521
03:48:31,040 --> 03:48:33,760
these systems are used. And uh when

5522
03:48:33,760 --> 03:48:35,680
something raises a concern, we will

5523
03:48:35,680 --> 03:48:37,600
continue to examine it and hold our

5524
03:48:37,600 --> 03:48:40,160
personnel accountable when appropriate.

5525
03:48:40,160 --> 03:48:42,160
Technology will continue to involve and

5526
03:48:42,160 --> 03:48:44,560
our safeguards will involve with it, but

5527
03:48:44,560 --> 03:48:47,359
the underlying standard does not change.

5528
03:48:47,359 --> 03:48:49,359
We expect the men and women of this

5529
03:48:49,359 --> 03:48:51,439
police department to use the authority,

5530
03:48:51,439 --> 03:48:53,680
information, and tools entrusted to them

5531
03:48:53,680 --> 03:48:55,920
professionally, lawfully, and

5532
03:48:55,920 --> 03:48:58,800
responsibly. MCPD continues to support

5533
03:48:58,800 --> 03:49:00,800
the safe city initiative because we

5534
03:49:00,800 --> 03:49:03,199
believe these additional capabilities

5535
03:49:03,199 --> 03:49:05,279
can provide meaningful public safety

5536
03:49:05,279 --> 03:49:07,359
value, and we also recognize that our

5537
03:49:07,359 --> 03:49:09,680
responsibility to govern the technology

5538
03:49:09,680 --> 03:49:11,920
already entrusted to us exists

5539
03:49:11,920 --> 03:49:14,880
independently of that proposal. And I'll

5540
03:49:14,880 --> 03:49:17,279
finish

5541
03:49:17,279 --> 03:49:19,279
We are extremely proud of the men and

5542
03:49:19,279 --> 03:49:20,800
women of the Michigan City Police

5543
03:49:20,800 --> 03:49:22,960
Department. There has been a tremendous

5544
03:49:22,960 --> 03:49:25,040
amount of discussion over the last

5545
03:49:25,040 --> 03:49:26,880
several months about technology. Behind

5546
03:49:26,880 --> 03:49:29,359
every statistic we have presented, every

5547
03:49:29,359 --> 03:49:30,960
investigation we have discussed, and

5548
03:49:30,960 --> 03:49:33,680
every policy we have examined are police

5549
03:49:33,680 --> 03:49:36,720
officers, detectives, supervisors,

5550
03:49:36,720 --> 03:49:38,880
civilian staff, and administrators doing

5551
03:49:38,880 --> 03:49:41,520
the work every day. The overwhelming

5552
03:49:41,520 --> 03:49:43,840
majority of that work will never be

5553
03:49:43,840 --> 03:49:46,239
discussed here. It will never appear in

5554
03:49:46,239 --> 03:49:49,359
a newspaper. And it's simple. Simply

5555
03:49:49,359 --> 03:49:51,680
people coming to work, serving this

5556
03:49:51,680 --> 03:49:53,520
community, and making difficult

5557
03:49:53,520 --> 03:49:55,520
decisions and doing so with the

5558
03:49:55,520 --> 03:49:57,680
professionalism that we expect.

5559
03:49:57,680 --> 03:49:59,359
Accountability when someone may fall

5560
03:49:59,359 --> 03:50:01,680
short of that standard doesn't diminish

5561
03:50:01,680 --> 03:50:04,399
that work. It is part of maintaining the

5562
03:50:04,399 --> 03:50:07,040
standard those men and women demonstrate

5563
03:50:07,040 --> 03:50:09,840
every day. I'm proud of that work. I'm

5564
03:50:09,840 --> 03:50:11,680
proud of this department and I'm

5565
03:50:11,680 --> 03:50:13,600
confident in our ability to continue

5566
03:50:13,600 --> 03:50:15,520
using the tools entrusted to us

5567
03:50:15,520 --> 03:50:17,040
responsibly. Thank you.

5568
03:50:17,040 --> 03:50:26,630
>> Thank you,

5569
03:50:26,640 --> 03:50:33,510
» Dominic Yankee, 904 Willow Spring Drive.

5570
03:50:33,520 --> 03:50:37,590
for my comments.

5571
03:50:37,600 --> 03:50:39,600
While many Michigan City residents have

5572
03:50:39,600 --> 03:50:41,279
had transparency concerns with how the

5573
03:50:41,279 --> 03:50:42,720
new data center moratorium was

5574
03:50:42,720 --> 03:50:44,560
introduced, I was surprised to hear

5575
03:50:44,560 --> 03:50:46,160
attorney Harris surmise that the two

5576
03:50:46,160 --> 03:50:47,760
council members intentions had not been

5577
03:50:47,760 --> 03:50:49,199
to vote on this ordinance on first

5578
03:50:49,199 --> 03:50:51,120
reading at this meeting, but merely to

5579
03:50:51,120 --> 03:50:52,800
foster transparency and allow the public

5580
03:50:52,800 --> 03:50:54,880
an opportunity to see the ordinance. It

5581
03:50:54,880 --> 03:50:56,640
is quite skillful to ascertain their

5582
03:50:56,640 --> 03:50:58,080
motives and determine that this was an

5583
03:50:58,080 --> 03:51:03,990
over and above attempt at transparency.

5584
03:51:04,000 --> 03:51:05,359
Thank you for your time.

5585
03:51:05,359 --> 03:51:20,950
>> Thank you.

5586
03:51:20,960 --> 03:51:23,600
» Paul, President Malinski, 1716

5587
03:51:23,600 --> 03:51:26,000
Washington Street. I would like to uh

5588
03:51:26,000 --> 03:51:29,920
thank Mr. Willoughby for his uh previous

5589
03:51:29,920 --> 03:51:32,720
comments, but now I want to make some

5590
03:51:32,720 --> 03:51:34,319
comments

5591
03:51:34,319 --> 03:51:38,479
about what Mr. Willoughby said about the

5592
03:51:38,479 --> 03:51:41,920
worst deal ever there. Where's your

5593
03:51:41,920 --> 03:51:46,640
money for your school system? Oh, gee

5594
03:51:46,640 --> 03:51:49,920
whiz, what happened? That guy needs to

5595
03:51:49,920 --> 03:51:53,040
be fired. And I'm not joking. He screwed

5596
03:51:53,040 --> 03:51:55,279
Michigan City upside down and inside

5597
03:51:55,279 --> 03:51:59,199
out. We would have plenty of money for

5598
03:51:59,199 --> 03:52:03,600
anything you wanted to do. Anything.

5599
03:52:03,600 --> 03:52:06,880
You need to rectify that situation.

5600
03:52:06,880 --> 03:52:09,760
And also, you need to cut in the budget

5601
03:52:09,760 --> 03:52:11,760
the $250,000

5602
03:52:11,760 --> 03:52:13,600
to the engineer needs to stay in the

5603
03:52:13,600 --> 03:52:14,960
general budget because he never

5604
03:52:14,960 --> 03:52:16,560
explained what he was going to do with

5605
03:52:16,560 --> 03:52:18,640
that money. And I was at the budget

5606
03:52:18,640 --> 03:52:20,160
hearings.

5607
03:52:20,160 --> 03:52:22,319
Some of you weren't.

5608
03:52:22,319 --> 03:52:27,040
and 500,000 in overtime for the police.

5609
03:52:27,040 --> 03:52:30,239
I think that needs to be cut at least in

5610
03:52:30,239 --> 03:52:33,520
half and kept

5611
03:52:33,520 --> 03:52:36,479
>> and overtime for the fire needs to be

5612
03:52:36,479 --> 03:52:38,080
cut.

5613
03:52:38,080 --> 03:52:42,141
Also, the legal services need to be

5614
03:52:42,141 --> 03:52:46,160
[clears throat] put out for a a um I

5615
03:52:46,160 --> 03:52:51,120
call it a PS, professional services bid

5616
03:52:51,120 --> 03:52:55,920
for all the legal in the in the inhouse

5617
03:52:55,920 --> 03:52:59,520
and also a bidding out of the insurance

5618
03:52:59,520 --> 03:53:03,199
for auto [clears throat] and

5619
03:53:03,199 --> 03:53:05,680
the employees.

5620
03:53:05,680 --> 03:53:08,319
And I would like to ask our

5621
03:53:08,319 --> 03:53:11,120
representative to the sanitary uh

5622
03:53:11,120 --> 03:53:16,319
department and uh county uh waste board

5623
03:53:16,319 --> 03:53:21,439
does the trash policy

5624
03:53:21,439 --> 03:53:23,920
should it be

5625
03:53:23,920 --> 03:53:26,960
where the toers and how much is that

5626
03:53:26,960 --> 03:53:30,160
weight limit?

5627
03:53:30,160 --> 03:53:32,479
Because what are they going to do? drive

5628
03:53:32,479 --> 03:53:34,640
around with scales and and put the toar

5629
03:53:34,640 --> 03:53:36,720
on a scale.

5630
03:53:36,720 --> 03:53:40,560
And where are the toers for our yard

5631
03:53:40,560 --> 03:53:42,080
waste?

5632
03:53:42,080 --> 03:53:43,840
Because I just saw them pick up garbage

5633
03:53:43,840 --> 03:53:45,680
by my house and they put that they put

5634
03:53:45,680 --> 03:53:48,479
that darn uh yard waste right in the

5635
03:53:48,479 --> 03:53:51,359
back of that truck. Bang zoom to the

5636
03:53:51,359 --> 03:53:56,560
landfill. So now, why can't we get some

5637
03:53:56,560 --> 03:53:59,120
help from the county waste board on

5638
03:53:59,120 --> 03:54:03,439
recycling and reclaiming our dump by the

5639
03:54:03,439 --> 03:54:05,680
city barns and get something out of that

5640
03:54:05,680 --> 03:54:08,239
solid waste district and also have the

5641
03:54:08,239 --> 03:54:11,279
sustain sustainability get on that the

5642
03:54:11,279 --> 03:54:13,840
committee. That would be a hell of a

5643
03:54:13,840 --> 03:54:16,080
good project. Thank you.

5644
03:54:16,080 --> 03:54:20,640
>> Thank you, Mr. Kavic.

5645
03:54:20,640 --> 03:54:23,279
>> Tommy. Yes, this is Tommy Kavik from

5646
03:54:23,279 --> 03:54:26,880
1316 Ohio Street. I got a quick public

5647
03:54:26,880 --> 03:54:29,120
service announcement to make. They said

5648
03:54:29,120 --> 03:54:30,960
he's going to have the dumpsters at the

5649
03:54:30,960 --> 03:54:33,359
airport. You can haul all your excess

5650
03:54:33,359 --> 03:54:36,479
waste. I got about 600 lb of waste I had

5651
03:54:36,479 --> 03:54:38,560
to clean out from a house of a family

5652
03:54:38,560 --> 03:54:40,960
member that passed away recently sitting

5653
03:54:40,960 --> 03:54:42,800
on the back of my mom's utility. I'm

5654
03:54:42,800 --> 03:54:44,399
going to take it over there first thing

5655
03:54:44,399 --> 03:54:46,160
in the morning. And I like what

5656
03:54:46,160 --> 03:54:48,239
Councilman President Bolinski, Paul

5657
03:54:48,239 --> 03:54:50,160
President Bolinsky said a couple of

5658
03:54:50,160 --> 03:54:51,920
meetings ago. There's no way I was going

5659
03:54:51,920 --> 03:54:53,520
to take all that stuff and put it out at

5660
03:54:53,520 --> 03:54:56,080
the alley the the curb. The people that

5661
03:54:56,080 --> 03:54:58,640
do all that, you had no community spirit

5662
03:54:58,640 --> 03:55:00,960
or no civic pride. If you ain't got

5663
03:55:00,960 --> 03:55:03,279
spirit or pride, you ain't got nothing.

5664
03:55:03,279 --> 03:55:05,359
None of that. I want to say go wos beat

5665
03:55:05,359 --> 03:55:07,920
the slicers Friday night at homecoming

5666
03:55:07,920 --> 03:55:10,080
at Ames Field. Get out and support.

5667
03:55:10,080 --> 03:55:12,640
Thank you.

5668
03:55:12,640 --> 03:55:14,800
>> Thank you, Mr. Kavik. And this will be

5669
03:55:14,800 --> 03:55:16,560
our last public comment.

5670
03:55:16,560 --> 03:55:16,960
>> Two.

5671
03:55:16,960 --> 03:55:18,800
>> Oh, okay.

5672
03:55:18,800 --> 03:55:21,120
>> Uh, hi there, Anastasia Gums, 222

5673
03:55:21,120 --> 03:55:23,120
Springland A. Uh, first I would like to

5674
03:55:23,120 --> 03:55:24,560
thank the council for withdrawing the

5675
03:55:24,560 --> 03:55:26,479
expansion of the Flock contract.

5676
03:55:26,479 --> 03:55:28,399
However, I would like to ask once again

5677
03:55:28,399 --> 03:55:30,160
for the council to resend the FL

5678
03:55:30,160 --> 03:55:32,720
contract completely from Michigan City.

5679
03:55:32,720 --> 03:55:34,560
Clearly, your citizens are not in favor

5680
03:55:34,560 --> 03:55:37,760
of this. Fun new flock update. A federal

5681
03:55:37,760 --> 03:55:39,359
judge in Oklahoma just ruled that these

5682
03:55:39,359 --> 03:55:40,960
flock-based warrantless searches can

5683
03:55:40,960 --> 03:55:42,880
violate our Fourth Amendment rights. and

5684
03:55:42,880 --> 03:55:44,880
they threw out evidence found with flock

5685
03:55:44,880 --> 03:55:48,160
license plate readers. These devices are

5686
03:55:48,160 --> 03:55:50,080
not necessary. The fire department or

5687
03:55:50,080 --> 03:55:51,680
park department can fly drones at the

5688
03:55:51,680 --> 03:55:53,359
beach. The police aren't the only folks

5689
03:55:53,359 --> 03:55:55,600
who can buy and fly a drone. If the city

5690
03:55:55,600 --> 03:55:57,199
wants to prioritize keeping downtown

5691
03:55:57,199 --> 03:55:58,960
businesses safe, they have a police

5692
03:55:58,960 --> 03:56:00,319
force that could be better served

5693
03:56:00,319 --> 03:56:01,680
walking the streets again than sitting

5694
03:56:01,680 --> 03:56:04,239
in their cars searching databases. These

5695
03:56:04,239 --> 03:56:06,479
downtown businesses can also do the same

5696
03:56:06,479 --> 03:56:08,000
thing that I'm expected to do as a

5697
03:56:08,000 --> 03:56:09,680
private citizen if I don't find that to

5698
03:56:09,680 --> 03:56:12,560
be enough. Buy your own cameras. don't

5699
03:56:12,560 --> 03:56:14,319
ask taxpayers to pay for our own mass

5700
03:56:14,319 --> 03:56:17,439
surveillance. And for the record, after

5701
03:56:17,439 --> 03:56:19,120
looking for a flock transparency portal

5702
03:56:19,120 --> 03:56:22,000
on the public uh police website, there

5703
03:56:22,000 --> 03:56:24,239
wasn't one. Um I checked the how do I

5704
03:56:24,239 --> 03:56:26,399
page. I looked their whole website up.

5705
03:56:26,399 --> 03:56:27,920
There's nothing. I searched through the

5706
03:56:27,920 --> 03:56:29,600
police department website. I searched

5707
03:56:29,600 --> 03:56:32,000
the city website. The only link I found

5708
03:56:32,000 --> 03:56:34,479
was from a September 2023 article from

5709
03:56:34,479 --> 03:56:36,479
WIMS.

5710
03:56:36,479 --> 03:56:38,239
That's it. So, let's talk about

5711
03:56:38,239 --> 03:56:40,000
transparency for real. I would love to

5712
03:56:40,000 --> 03:56:41,359
know where that link is because it's not

5713
03:56:41,359 --> 03:56:42,960
on the cop's website.

5714
03:56:42,960 --> 03:56:49,990
>> Thank you.

5715
03:56:50,000 --> 03:56:52,880
» Amy Lassinski 104 Mayfield Drive. Uh

5716
03:56:52,880 --> 03:56:54,560
adding on a little bit to the flock and

5717
03:56:54,560 --> 03:56:56,479
how I know we put down the one and that

5718
03:56:56,479 --> 03:56:58,319
was about 300,000 and I know you're

5719
03:56:58,319 --> 03:56:59,199
probably going to hear a lot of calls

5720
03:56:59,199 --> 03:57:00,640
are possibly cancelling the one that

5721
03:57:00,640 --> 03:57:02,319
will come up for renewal. I would love

5722
03:57:02,319 --> 03:57:04,560
to even see if you cancel those taking

5723
03:57:04,560 --> 03:57:06,479
that 700,000 and I think it's a little

5724
03:57:06,479 --> 03:57:08,720
more and giving that to the police

5725
03:57:08,720 --> 03:57:10,560
department to hire more police officers

5726
03:57:10,560 --> 03:57:12,080
because that might be a better use of

5727
03:57:12,080 --> 03:57:16,560
that money. Um I would love to see some

5728
03:57:16,560 --> 03:57:18,720
numbers. I think I feel like I missed

5729
03:57:18,720 --> 03:57:20,000
the public comment in the area where it

5730
03:57:20,000 --> 03:57:20,960
was like talking about the city

5731
03:57:20,960 --> 03:57:22,960
employees and that area with their

5732
03:57:22,960 --> 03:57:24,960
raises, but I would love to see like

5733
03:57:24,960 --> 03:57:27,840
some numbers that show who's employed

5734
03:57:27,840 --> 03:57:30,640
like locally to out of out of our city.

5735
03:57:30,640 --> 03:57:32,239
I think that would be a fun fact to

5736
03:57:32,239 --> 03:57:34,640
share with us. I'm going to add on to

5737
03:57:34,640 --> 03:57:36,560
the accountability to the redevelopment

5738
03:57:36,560 --> 03:57:38,239
area. You guys know that I have done a

5739
03:57:38,239 --> 03:57:39,920
whole lot of research there. There is a

5740
03:57:39,920 --> 03:57:41,520
big name that's added on there that's in

5741
03:57:41,520 --> 03:57:43,520
that department. I won't name names, but

5742
03:57:43,520 --> 03:57:45,199
I think that as an area, if you guys

5743
03:57:45,199 --> 03:57:46,479
have done that research, if you've

5744
03:57:46,479 --> 03:57:47,760
looked over some of the stuff, there

5745
03:57:47,760 --> 03:57:49,600
should be accountability to the stuff

5746
03:57:49,600 --> 03:57:52,319
I'm saying that happened that was wrong.

5747
03:57:52,319 --> 03:57:54,080
Um, and as you're getting ready to look

5748
03:57:54,080 --> 03:57:55,680
at the stuff with the moratorium, an

5749
03:57:55,680 --> 03:57:57,199
article came out as we're sitting over

5750
03:57:57,199 --> 03:57:59,279
here today talking about Google in Fort

5751
03:57:59,279 --> 03:58:00,720
Wayne is looking at like trying to

5752
03:58:00,720 --> 03:58:02,479
pursue buying the houses in that area.

5753
03:58:02,479 --> 03:58:04,800
So, I guess you're not safe with what

5754
03:58:04,800 --> 03:58:08,000
you're contained to in that area. Um, at

5755
03:58:08,000 --> 03:58:09,439
the last meeting, I ran out of time and

5756
03:58:09,439 --> 03:58:10,880
I did want to also give some feedback to

5757
03:58:10,880 --> 03:58:12,239
the Google community event that was

5758
03:58:12,239 --> 03:58:14,560
held. It was poorly advertised and I'm

5759
03:58:14,560 --> 03:58:15,920
curious if it was intentional to keep

5760
03:58:15,920 --> 03:58:17,840
crowds away as maybe we didn't really

5761
03:58:17,840 --> 03:58:19,840
want people attending. Again, something

5762
03:58:19,840 --> 03:58:21,439
I didn't know about until it was sent to

5763
03:58:21,439 --> 03:58:23,680
me. However, you know, I have done a lot

5764
03:58:23,680 --> 03:58:25,920
of research. I believe at that event, I

5765
03:58:25,920 --> 03:58:28,800
was told two lies. One on when Google

5766
03:58:28,800 --> 03:58:30,800
was involved and another on the area of

5767
03:58:30,800 --> 03:58:32,319
the verification letter, to which this

5768
03:58:32,319 --> 03:58:34,640
council knows I focused on a lot. How

5769
03:58:34,640 --> 03:58:36,800
can you trust anything stated if you

5770
03:58:36,800 --> 03:58:38,319
have evidence that shows they weren't

5771
03:58:38,319 --> 03:58:40,640
being transparent and truthful? Why are

5772
03:58:40,640 --> 03:58:42,080
we the ones catching these lies and

5773
03:58:42,080 --> 03:58:44,239
asking the hard questions? These should

5774
03:58:44,239 --> 03:58:46,399
be coming from you guys. We all know

5775
03:58:46,399 --> 03:58:47,760
companies like Google use shell

5776
03:58:47,760 --> 03:58:49,279
companies with projects like this to

5777
03:58:49,279 --> 03:58:51,279
hide their identity even longer. A

5778
03:58:51,279 --> 03:58:53,199
little research goes a long way and is

5779
03:58:53,199 --> 03:58:54,960
strongly believed that Lavender Fields

5780
03:58:54,960 --> 03:58:56,560
mentioned in the city resolutions that

5781
03:58:56,560 --> 03:58:58,720
you guys received in late July or early

5782
03:58:58,720 --> 03:59:01,760
August of 2025. This is something any of

5783
03:59:01,760 --> 03:59:03,199
you guys could have researched prior to

5784
03:59:03,199 --> 03:59:05,760
your final vote. So Google's been around

5785
03:59:05,760 --> 03:59:08,000
since the very beginning, but they're

5786
03:59:08,000 --> 03:59:09,840
telling me they came in about very late

5787
03:59:09,840 --> 03:59:13,760
in the process. Um, a little bit also to

5788
03:59:13,760 --> 03:59:16,000
the foyas. I've had cuz it wouldn't be

5789
03:59:16,000 --> 03:59:17,760
me without an update. I've had three

5790
03:59:17,760 --> 03:59:20,399
that were into the city. Two of the

5791
03:59:20,399 --> 03:59:22,160
three I got back in the timely manner

5792
03:59:22,160 --> 03:59:23,760
that it should have been in. I am a

5793
03:59:23,760 --> 03:59:25,120
little disappointed. Although I've had

5794
03:59:25,120 --> 03:59:27,359
great responses right now, at least

5795
03:59:27,359 --> 03:59:29,199
being replied from the city, that the

5796
03:59:29,199 --> 03:59:31,279
last foyer that I'm waiting on, it

5797
03:59:31,279 --> 03:59:33,600
appears that the research to get it

5798
03:59:33,600 --> 03:59:35,520
didn't even start to after kind of that

5799
03:59:35,520 --> 03:59:38,479
30-day deadline. So, if you're trying to

5800
03:59:38,479 --> 03:59:40,319
be accountable and transparent and give

5801
03:59:40,319 --> 03:59:43,600
us these foyas, why did it take so long

5802
03:59:43,600 --> 03:59:46,399
before the city um started the research?

5803
03:59:46,399 --> 03:59:47,840
I don't believe it falls on the city. I

5804
03:59:47,840 --> 03:59:49,359
believe it was requested sooner, but

5805
03:59:49,359 --> 03:59:50,399
then the people that should have been

5806
03:59:50,399 --> 03:59:52,640
following up, they dropped the ball and

5807
03:59:52,640 --> 03:59:56,479
then that delays my foyas. Um I will

5808
03:59:56,479 --> 03:59:57,920
stop there. Thank you.

5809
03:59:57,920 --> 04:00:01,040
>> Thank you.

5810
04:00:01,040 --> 04:00:03,439
>> And this is our last public comment for

5811
04:00:03,439 --> 04:00:05,920
the evening. I just wanted to talk about

5812
04:00:05,920 --> 04:00:10,160
the uh ordinance for data center. Um

5813
04:00:10,160 --> 04:00:11,600
you've got it happening right here in

5814
04:00:11,600 --> 04:00:14,160
Leapor County and that's the Leaport

5815
04:00:14,160 --> 04:00:16,239
County Commissioners already did this.

5816
04:00:16,239 --> 04:00:19,199
They have the second uh approved

5817
04:00:19,199 --> 04:00:21,760
ordinance of the state and they'd be

5818
04:00:21,760 --> 04:00:23,760
glad to help you put one together.

5819
04:00:23,760 --> 04:00:25,600
>> Thank you.

5820
04:00:25,600 --> 04:00:28,160
Public comments are now closed. Are

5821
04:00:28,160 --> 04:00:32,630
there any comments from the council?

5822
04:00:32,640 --> 04:00:36,560
if any comments from the council.

5823
04:00:36,560 --> 04:00:38,960
>> Yeah, Madame President, I just want to

5824
04:00:38,960 --> 04:00:41,359
uh

5825
04:00:41,359 --> 04:00:43,040
say thank you to the Michigan City

5826
04:00:43,040 --> 04:00:46,000
Police Department uh for all their work

5827
04:00:46,000 --> 04:00:47,920
and

5828
04:00:47,920 --> 04:00:49,520
information they passed on to the

5829
04:00:49,520 --> 04:00:51,439
council and to the general public about

5830
04:00:51,439 --> 04:00:55,760
the uh bulk system. And I want to thank

5831
04:00:55,760 --> 04:00:58,479
uh assistant chief Shaparski for all his

5832
04:00:58,479 --> 04:01:01,920
hard work and effort during this uh time

5833
04:01:01,920 --> 04:01:06,160
and chief uh Forker and uh yeah, I just

5834
04:01:06,160 --> 04:01:07,760
want to say they put a lot of work and

5835
04:01:07,760 --> 04:01:09,199
effort and I think they were very

5836
04:01:09,199 --> 04:01:11,359
transparent and I think the police

5837
04:01:11,359 --> 04:01:13,120
department's going to be better for all

5838
04:01:13,120 --> 04:01:15,439
the procedures that they've updated and

5839
04:01:15,439 --> 04:01:18,640
I want to thank them for their work.

5840
04:01:18,640 --> 04:01:20,319
>> Are there any other public uh comments

5841
04:01:20,319 --> 04:01:22,479
from the council?

5842
04:01:22,479 --> 04:01:24,560
I would just like to thank the public um

5843
04:01:24,560 --> 04:01:26,800
and the council members. We had a long

5844
04:01:26,800 --> 04:01:29,840
agenda this evening um but we made it

5845
04:01:29,840 --> 04:01:32,880
through it. And if there's nothing else,

5846
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may I entertain a motion to adjurnn?

5847
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>> So move.

5848
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>> Have a good evening.

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