1 00:00:03,199 --> 00:00:05,051 You are watching Access LaPorte County 2 00:00:05,051 --> 00:00:07,059 Channel 97. The next meeting is the Michigan City 3 00:00:07,059 --> 00:00:10,610 Board of Aviation Commissioners meeting on October 8 4 00:00:10,661 --> 00:00:13,257 . You can find more 5 00:00:13,257 --> 00:00:15,443 information about this meeting 6 00:00:15,443 --> 00:00:32,239 by visiting www.accesslaportecounty.org. 7 00:00:32,239 --> 00:00:34,629 Meeting of the Board of 8 00:00:34,629 --> 00:00:38,520 Aviation Commissioners to begin the session. 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:43,690 Today is October 8, 2026, and we 10 00:00:43,690 --> 00:00:48,294 will meet here at the 11 00:00:48,294 --> 00:00:51,361 Michigan City Airport terminal. The 12 00:00:51,361 --> 00:00:54,806 members attending today are Jeff 13 00:00:54,806 --> 00:01:01,567 Ohling, Dwight Holman, Chuck Foreman, 14 00:01:01,567 --> 00:01:07,819 Steve Ryan, and Tom. We have a quorum. 15 00:01:07,819 --> 00:01:12,480 Other members present include Jess Neil. 16 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:18,780 And Paul Scherer, yes, and us here. 17 00:01:18,780 --> 00:01:20,902 I think that's all, and our 18 00:01:20,902 --> 00:01:24,732 cameraman isn't here. Hello. Very 19 00:01:24,732 --> 00:01:27,657 good. So, did everyone have the 20 00:01:27,657 --> 00:01:29,965 opportunity to see the 21 00:01:29,965 --> 00:01:35,040 meeting minutes? I think it's from August 21st. 22 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,899 August 21. 23 00:01:36,899 --> 00:01:37,720 Yes. 24 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:38,999 Okay. 25 00:01:38,999 --> 00:01:41,121 I propose that they be accepted as 26 00:01:41,121 --> 00:01:42,200 written. 27 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:42,974 OK. I 28 00:01:42,974 --> 00:01:43,794 second. 29 00:01:43,794 --> 00:01:45,470 OK. Is everyone in favor? 30 00:01:45,470 --> 00:01:46,941 Me, me, me. 31 00:01:46,941 --> 00:01:52,299 Here. Thank you. Very good. Let's see. 32 00:01:52,299 --> 00:01:57,880 We need to review the reports. 33 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,376 We have the financial report and the 34 00:02:00,376 --> 00:02:02,741 manager's report, and everything else. 35 00:02:02,741 --> 00:02:03,438 Jessica, 36 00:02:03,438 --> 00:02:07,811 very good. Account balances. Oh, we 37 00:02:07,811 --> 00:02:10,133 've already spent 67% of the 38 00:02:10,133 --> 00:02:12,713 total operating budget and 82% of the 39 00:02:12,713 --> 00:02:16,169 aviation fuel budget. We only have 40 00:02:16,169 --> 00:02:18,346 50,630 left in our 41 00:02:18,346 --> 00:02:20,222 fuel budget. So, if we needed to 42 00:02:20,222 --> 00:02:21,985 get a full load of Jet A 43 00:02:21,985 --> 00:02:23,738 and Avgas, we couldn't. So, 44 00:02:23,738 --> 00:02:24,753 hopefully, we won't need either of them 45 00:02:24,753 --> 00:02:26,354 by the end of the year. We have two 46 00:02:26,354 --> 00:02:28,424 more months. Hopefully, we'll only need 47 00:02:28,424 --> 00:02:32,437 one or the other. I'm going to have to transfer 48 00:02:32,437 --> 00:02:33,547 funds to some 49 00:02:33,547 --> 00:02:35,235 budget lines, as I do every year 50 00:02:35,235 --> 00:02:38,298 , including overtime, 51 00:02:38,343 --> 00:02:40,030 building maintenance supplies, legal, and possibly 52 00:02:40,030 --> 00:02:44,287 electric gas. Right now we're $ 53 00:02:44,287 --> 00:02:47,640 415.14 overpaid on electricity and gas, 54 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:50,296 but you never know. This month has been 55 00:02:50,296 --> 00:02:52,008 quite nice, so our 56 00:02:52,008 --> 00:02:53,972 next bill might be a bit 57 00:02:53,972 --> 00:02:55,784 lower than I expected and we'll get by 58 00:02:55,784 --> 00:02:58,761 . Everything else is more or 59 00:02:58,761 --> 00:03:02,373 less normal. Not legal. The reason 60 00:03:02,373 --> 00:03:03,861 the legal process has ended is 61 00:03:03,861 --> 00:03:05,515 simply because all these 62 00:03:05,515 --> 00:03:06,962 lease transfers that are 63 00:03:06,962 --> 00:03:10,121 right here are on this agenda. Bill has 64 00:03:10,121 --> 00:03:12,050 been working very hard to 65 00:03:12,050 --> 00:03:13,859 document them properly and 66 00:03:13,859 --> 00:03:16,270 deliver them to me because we had the death 67 00:03:16,270 --> 00:03:20,050 of a hangar owner. And it had 68 00:03:20,050 --> 00:03:22,281 quite a few hangars. That's why 69 00:03:22,281 --> 00:03:23,667 the legal process has ended. 70 00:03:23,667 --> 00:03:24,576 And does each hangar require 71 00:03:24,576 --> 00:03:25,680 separate authorization? 72 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,212 Yes. Each hangar requires a 73 00:03:27,212 --> 00:03:29,950 separate lease. Correct. 74 00:03:29,950 --> 00:03:32,116 Well, those are our 75 00:03:32,116 --> 00:03:35,616 account balances. Regarding 76 00:03:35,616 --> 00:03:38,741 fuel sales, we sold a total of 2,046 77 00:03:38,741 --> 00:03:41,778 gallons of 100 low lead, 3,456 78 00:03:41,778 --> 00:03:45,163 gallons of Jet A, and 149.8 gallons of UL 79 00:03:45,163 --> 00:03:48,661 94 in September. So far this year, 80 00:03:48,661 --> 00:03:50,466 fuel sales have risen by 81 00:03:50,466 --> 00:03:52,808 22%. Well, at the beginning of summer 82 00:03:52,808 --> 00:03:54,693 we were at 68%, we're at 22% now, 83 00:03:54,693 --> 00:03:56,640 that's still incredible, guys. 84 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,583 We normally aim for 5%; A good 85 00:03:58,583 --> 00:04:00,634 year is when we achieve 5% more than the 86 00:04:00,634 --> 00:04:03,780 previous year. So 22 is very good. 87 00:04:03,780 --> 00:04:06,316 Our fuel prices are $6 88 00:04:06,316 --> 00:04:08,852 for AVGAS self-service, $615 for 89 00:04:08,852 --> 00:04:11,325 AVGAS Jet A full service, we're 90 00:04:11,325 --> 00:04:13,798 at $564 for both self-service and 91 00:04:13,798 --> 00:04:15,827 full service, and 92 00:04:15,827 --> 00:04:18,109 UL 94 self-service is $645. I just found out 93 00:04:18,109 --> 00:04:20,455 , I haven't checked, but they did 94 00:04:20,455 --> 00:04:22,992 say they no longer manufacture 95 00:04:22,992 --> 00:04:25,401 UL 94 and that 100LL has been approved 96 00:04:25,401 --> 00:04:27,665 for Swift. So I think 97 00:04:27,665 --> 00:04:29,052 next time we buy fuel it 98 00:04:29,052 --> 00:04:30,333 will be 100LL, but I haven't 99 00:04:30,333 --> 00:04:32,765 tested it with Swift yet. I just found out 100 00:04:32,765 --> 00:04:34,366 from someone who uses Swift 101 00:04:34,366 --> 00:04:36,101 that it's been approved and 102 00:04:36,101 --> 00:04:38,440 that we should move there soon. 103 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,059 Brilliant. Well, we'll 104 00:04:40,059 --> 00:04:42,079 keep the 100LL in the 105 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:44,278 big tank, but we'll have the 100R in the 106 00:04:44,278 --> 00:04:48,617 small 1000-gallon tank. That's 107 00:04:48,617 --> 00:04:51,561 all about fuel sales. 108 00:04:51,608 --> 00:04:53,305 Airport project presentations. These last two weeks 109 00:04:53,305 --> 00:04:54,488 I've been invited to give some 110 00:04:54,488 --> 00:04:57,036 presentations. Brilliant. Current state 111 00:04:57,036 --> 00:04:58,612 of the airport, ongoing and 112 00:04:58,612 --> 00:05:00,359 upcoming projects. I completed the 113 00:05:00,359 --> 00:05:02,120 Neighborhood Leadership Academy at the 114 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:03,881 Economic Development Corporation and also gave a 115 00:05:03,881 --> 00:05:05,202 presentation for the 116 00:05:05,202 --> 00:05:07,509 Michigan City Exchange Club. It 117 00:05:07,509 --> 00:05:08,866 's always fun, and then they always 118 00:05:08,866 --> 00:05:10,563 trick me into buying a 119 00:05:10,563 --> 00:05:12,133 fundraising ticket and going to their dinners and 120 00:05:12,133 --> 00:05:14,297 everything else. So. The 121 00:05:14,297 --> 00:05:15,780 Fall Waste Department is 122 00:05:15,780 --> 00:05:17,302 a full amnesty program for 123 00:05:17,302 --> 00:05:18,590 trash containers at the 124 00:05:18,590 --> 00:05:20,855 airport. As part of an 125 00:05:20,855 --> 00:05:22,438 ongoing campaign to help Michigan City 126 00:05:22,438 --> 00:05:24,061 have a clean community and reduce 127 00:05:24,061 --> 00:05:25,720 unwanted household clutter. 128 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,060 Michigan City continues its fall 129 00:05:27,060 --> 00:05:28,334 trash container cleanup program 130 00:05:28,334 --> 00:05:30,231 here at the airport. This 131 00:05:30,231 --> 00:05:32,563 month, six opportunities 132 00:05:32,563 --> 00:05:36,158 to quit began yesterday. It ends on Saturday, 133 00:05:36,158 --> 00:05:38,362 October 24. They are on Wednesdays and Saturdays 134 00:05:38,362 --> 00:05:41,347 from 8:00 a.m. m. at 12:00 p.m. m. Refuse 135 00:05:41,347 --> 00:05:42,938 also has a 136 00:05:42,938 --> 00:05:44,877 tire amnesty during which they will accept 137 00:05:44,877 --> 00:05:47,223 four tires per household. Programs 138 00:05:47,223 --> 00:05:48,644 for Michigan City residents with 139 00:05:48,644 --> 00:05:51,971 a valid ID. 140 00:05:51,971 --> 00:05:54,046 Participants need to arrange their 141 00:05:54,046 --> 00:05:56,062 own transportation, and if 142 00:05:56,062 --> 00:05:58,315 anyone has any questions, they can 143 00:05:58,315 --> 00:06:00,568 call the waste department at 144 00:06:00,568 --> 00:06:05,844 219-873-1530. No to the airport. Because all I'm saying is, 145 00:06:05,844 --> 00:06:07,649 call Refuse. I know 146 00:06:07,649 --> 00:06:09,237 nothing about garbage. I only know about 147 00:06:09,237 --> 00:06:12,265 airplanes. Police 148 00:06:12,265 --> 00:06:13,728 department short course training program 149 00:06:13,728 --> 00:06:15,378 . We love it when you come 150 00:06:15,378 --> 00:06:18,058 here, don't we? For many years, 151 00:06:18,058 --> 00:06:19,464 the police department has 152 00:06:19,464 --> 00:06:20,916 used our track for an 153 00:06:20,916 --> 00:06:22,595 annual 154 00:06:22,595 --> 00:06:25,289 short-course driver training program. They place 155 00:06:25,289 --> 00:06:26,976 cones. Each police officer goes out 156 00:06:26,976 --> 00:06:28,711 with a training officer. They 157 00:06:28,711 --> 00:06:30,903 lead the course. They use the 158 00:06:30,903 --> 00:06:33,117 northeast part of the runway. There is still plenty of 159 00:06:33,117 --> 00:06:34,574 space to park aircraft and 160 00:06:34,574 --> 00:06:35,626 access to self-service 161 00:06:35,626 --> 00:06:37,204 refueling while they 162 00:06:37,204 --> 00:06:38,763 are here. The short course is 163 00:06:38,763 --> 00:06:40,905 delimited by cones. I issued a NOTAM 164 00:06:40,905 --> 00:06:43,844 closing the northeast portion of the runway. 165 00:06:43,844 --> 00:06:45,605 The dates have not been set yet, but it 166 00:06:45,605 --> 00:06:47,230 should be at the end of October or the 167 00:06:47,230 --> 00:06:48,766 beginning of November because that's 168 00:06:48,766 --> 00:06:51,182 when they have to finish it. They know that 169 00:06:51,182 --> 00:06:52,380 summer is off-limits because 170 00:06:52,380 --> 00:06:53,759 we're too busy and I don't have 171 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:55,698 time for that. So October, 172 00:06:55,698 --> 00:06:59,129 November, I don't care. So that's it 173 00:06:59,129 --> 00:07:01,822 . That's all, Paul. 174 00:07:01,822 --> 00:07:04,409 Okay. Okay. The airport development hole 175 00:07:04,409 --> 00:07:07,500 . 176 00:07:07,500 --> 00:07:10,590 Yes, the runway project is not 177 00:07:10,590 --> 00:07:15,168 very far along yet. Basically, 178 00:07:15,168 --> 00:07:17,168 we've spent the last year 179 00:07:17,168 --> 00:07:19,472 talking about why they paused it and 180 00:07:19,472 --> 00:07:21,533 asking for the cost- 181 00:07:21,533 --> 00:07:23,593 benefit analysis if you need it, if you 182 00:07:23,593 --> 00:07:28,462 remember. At the last meeting, they laid 183 00:07:28,462 --> 00:07:31,033 everything out. We have requested another 184 00:07:31,033 --> 00:07:34,814 meeting. But I think the plan now 185 00:07:34,814 --> 00:07:38,121 is that we have an agreement to announce 186 00:07:38,121 --> 00:07:40,436 the temporary road and 187 00:07:40,436 --> 00:07:44,115 storm drains. We put it on 188 00:07:44,115 --> 00:07:46,220 hold because there was no point in doing it 189 00:07:46,220 --> 00:07:49,209 if they weren't going to give us the money. We've been 190 00:07:49,209 --> 00:07:51,580 charging the 191 00:07:51,580 --> 00:07:53,950 grant administration number for 192 00:07:53,950 --> 00:07:57,616 all these meetings with the FAA. 193 00:07:57,616 --> 00:07:59,867 Therefore, we will not take any 194 00:07:59,867 --> 00:08:02,439 action on this matter today, but we propose that 195 00:08:02,439 --> 00:08:04,947 we modify some of these services 196 00:08:04,947 --> 00:08:07,520 and include cost 197 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,092 -benefit analysis because I do not believe we will be able 198 00:08:10,092 --> 00:08:14,354 to avoid it. We've been playing around with 199 00:08:14,354 --> 00:08:17,849 that, just experimenting. They are quite 200 00:08:17,849 --> 00:08:21,962 uncommon for any project, 201 00:08:21,962 --> 00:08:24,047 particularly for 202 00:08:24,047 --> 00:08:27,313 general aviation projects. We have three miles 203 00:08:27,313 --> 00:08:29,927 of costs and benefits that we 204 00:08:29,927 --> 00:08:32,181 have played with. We believe we can 205 00:08:32,181 --> 00:08:35,074 make this work. Therefore, 206 00:08:35,074 --> 00:08:37,565 if we believe we can win, 207 00:08:37,565 --> 00:08:39,929 we might as well say yes and review it 208 00:08:39,929 --> 00:08:42,165 to see if we can make this 209 00:08:42,165 --> 00:08:47,349 work again. That's the plan. 210 00:08:47,349 --> 00:08:49,191 They did not request a CIP meeting with 211 00:08:49,191 --> 00:08:52,249 us. We applied to the FAA for one, 212 00:08:52,249 --> 00:08:54,819 so let's wait and see, but the most 213 00:08:54,819 --> 00:08:56,939 important thing is that INDOT continues to 214 00:08:56,939 --> 00:08:59,444 invest money in the 5- 215 00:08:59,444 --> 00:09:01,757 year program for the track, a sum of 216 00:09:01,757 --> 00:09:04,134 about $15 million at the 217 00:09:04,134 --> 00:09:06,447 moment, which they have there for a 218 00:09:06,447 --> 00:09:10,373 period of 5 years. And the FAA says we can't 219 00:09:10,373 --> 00:09:12,793 do anything about it until 220 00:09:12,793 --> 00:09:15,540 we get approval from the BCA. 221 00:09:15,540 --> 00:09:19,186 Therefore, we need the FAA to 222 00:09:19,186 --> 00:09:22,012 align with INDOT and basically tell us, 223 00:09:22,012 --> 00:09:25,385 "Are you really going to make us 224 00:09:25,385 --> 00:09:28,849 redo all of this if 225 00:09:28,849 --> 00:09:31,769 the BCA is approved?" Because, you know, there's a 226 00:09:31,769 --> 00:09:33,886 3-year timeframe for much of that 227 00:09:33,886 --> 00:09:35,940 planning that was approved in 228 00:09:35,940 --> 00:09:39,076 2018-19. So that's where we are 229 00:09:39,076 --> 00:09:43,843 with that. We're not going to give up, but 230 00:09:43,843 --> 00:09:45,426 last year was certainly 231 00:09:45,426 --> 00:09:49,015 frustrating. Last year. Any 232 00:09:49,015 --> 00:09:51,400 questions about that? 233 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:52,859 Okay. 234 00:09:52,859 --> 00:09:55,014 I anticipate that meeting will 235 00:09:55,014 --> 00:09:57,529 probably be in the first or second 236 00:09:57,529 --> 00:10:00,187 week of November because they already have 237 00:10:00,187 --> 00:10:02,773 CIP meetings scheduled until the 238 00:10:02,773 --> 00:10:05,288 end of October. So that's 239 00:10:05,288 --> 00:10:06,253 where we are. 240 00:10:06,253 --> 00:10:14,247 Oh. Oh, yes. What are 241 00:10:14,247 --> 00:10:18,354 they demanding? What are they saying they're demanding? Another BCA 242 00:10:18,354 --> 00:10:19,960 ? 243 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,760 Well, we never did a BCA because the 244 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,708 first time we reviewed the 245 00:10:25,708 --> 00:10:28,656 AIP manual at that time, if you didn't spend more 246 00:10:28,656 --> 00:10:31,383 than $10 million in 247 00:10:31,383 --> 00:10:34,184 discretionary money on capacity, you didn't have to 248 00:10:34,184 --> 00:10:36,100 do a 249 00:10:36,100 --> 00:10:40,017 cost-benefit analysis. So, in the 250 00:10:40,017 --> 00:10:42,363 study of the runway protection zone 251 00:10:42,363 --> 00:10:48,547 , we analyzed how much of the 252 00:10:48,547 --> 00:10:51,294 project funds were for capacity and 253 00:10:51,294 --> 00:10:55,075 how much for safety. Therefore, 254 00:10:55,075 --> 00:10:57,028 there is a runway extension element 255 00:10:57,028 --> 00:10:58,832 in the project, but in reality, the 256 00:10:58,832 --> 00:11:00,735 majority of the project cost is 257 00:11:00,735 --> 00:11:02,739 for the runway protection zone 258 00:11:02,739 --> 00:11:04,643 and the improvement of the runway safety area 259 00:11:04,643 --> 00:11:07,450 . The protection zone and the 260 00:11:07,450 --> 00:11:08,939 safety area of ​​the runway are 261 00:11:08,939 --> 00:11:12,208 key elements. Well, that's how 262 00:11:12,208 --> 00:11:14,697 the AIP manual was written at the 263 00:11:14,697 --> 00:11:16,874 time, and it said, "Well, if it's a 264 00:11:16,874 --> 00:11:20,120 security project, there's no limit. You 265 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,445 never have to do a 266 00:11:21,445 --> 00:11:22,702 cost-benefit analysis if it's related 267 00:11:22,702 --> 00:11:24,348 to security. You only have to 268 00:11:24,348 --> 00:11:25,536 do it if it's related to 269 00:11:25,536 --> 00:11:28,685 capacity." Well, the extension of the 270 00:11:28,685 --> 00:11:30,907 track section was very small, 271 00:11:30,907 --> 00:11:34,300 like $2 million. Well below the 272 00:11:34,300 --> 00:11:36,600 $10 million threshold, it remains 273 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,900 below the $10 million threshold 274 00:11:38,900 --> 00:11:41,200 even with the project at current cost 275 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,670 . The problem is that it was Deb Martell 276 00:11:44,670 --> 00:11:48,586 who basically wrote the 277 00:11:48,586 --> 00:11:51,040 compliance with the RPZ study and 278 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,142 accepted that. She was also the one who 279 00:11:53,142 --> 00:11:54,571 said, "We will finance this great project 280 00:11:54,571 --> 00:11:57,393 . Wait in line." 281 00:11:57,393 --> 00:11:59,476 She is assigned to a different area, 282 00:11:59,476 --> 00:12:01,728 so she has not been involved. There are 283 00:12:01,728 --> 00:12:04,787 new people. The AIP manual, which contains 284 00:12:04,787 --> 00:12:07,118 the rules on how they spend their money 285 00:12:07,118 --> 00:12:08,946 , has changed. There was an update on that 286 00:12:08,946 --> 00:12:11,514 . And they added another paragraph in 287 00:12:11,514 --> 00:12:13,535 the cost-benefit analysis that 288 00:12:13,535 --> 00:12:16,114 basically says everything they said before 289 00:12:16,114 --> 00:12:18,833 about the $10 million in security and 290 00:12:18,833 --> 00:12:21,342 capacity and all that kind of stuff, 291 00:12:21,342 --> 00:12:24,060 but there's another general paragraph that says 292 00:12:24,060 --> 00:12:27,350 , or if the AFA requests one. Yes, in 293 00:12:27,350 --> 00:12:29,607 other words, if they don't like the 294 00:12:29,607 --> 00:12:32,121 project, they can say, "Show me a 295 00:12:32,121 --> 00:12:34,645 BCA." Correct? They can request one 296 00:12:34,645 --> 00:12:37,541 at will. They don't have to have a 297 00:12:37,541 --> 00:12:39,645 reason. It doesn't have to follow 298 00:12:39,645 --> 00:12:42,186 safety versus capacity or anything like that 299 00:12:42,186 --> 00:12:45,846 . So, in that last 300 00:12:45,846 --> 00:12:48,347 paragraph they're saying: "Hey, the 301 00:12:48,347 --> 00:12:51,558 project is a good project. 302 00:12:51,558 --> 00:12:53,218 We just need to know if it's a good 303 00:12:53,218 --> 00:12:54,939 project at the current price." 304 00:12:54,939 --> 00:12:56,519 Basically, that's where they are. 305 00:12:56,519 --> 00:12:57,559 So, do a 306 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,477 cost-benefit analysis. And we really can't 307 00:12:59,477 --> 00:13:01,052 . We went back and told the 308 00:13:01,052 --> 00:13:02,700 story several times: "Hey, we were 309 00:13:02,700 --> 00:13:04,443 told we wouldn't have to do 310 00:13:04,443 --> 00:13:06,176 this. It's not a 311 00:13:06,176 --> 00:13:09,679 $10 million capacity." Nobody believes it 312 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:10,040 . 313 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,258 So, what is the 314 00:13:11,258 --> 00:13:13,540 investment cost of the BCA? How much is it? 315 00:13:13,540 --> 00:13:16,278 Well, we're trying to figure it out. 316 00:13:16,278 --> 00:13:17,498 The answer is, 317 00:13:17,498 --> 00:13:19,614 pages? What are you talking about? 318 00:13:19,614 --> 00:13:21,410 How big? I don't know how big 319 00:13:21,410 --> 00:13:22,220 a BCA is. 320 00:13:22,220 --> 00:13:23,196 Yes, very 321 00:13:23,196 --> 00:13:23,853 big. There isn't 322 00:13:23,853 --> 00:13:26,473 ...Yes, they're going to be honest about 323 00:13:26,473 --> 00:13:30,539 this. They don't. Nobody does them. And the 324 00:13:30,539 --> 00:13:33,259 guide is very vague. And well, we 325 00:13:33,259 --> 00:13:34,858 made them for Indianapolis International Airport 326 00:13:34,858 --> 00:13:36,458 , and they cost around 327 00:13:36,458 --> 00:13:38,732 $200,000. We don't think that's it 328 00:13:38,732 --> 00:13:42,269 . We think it's something, you know, maybe 329 00:13:42,269 --> 00:13:45,191 a tenth or a quarter of 330 00:13:45,191 --> 00:13:47,719 that. Yes. 331 00:13:47,719 --> 00:13:51,200 And it's basically not like an ROI, like 332 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,235 where you would pay off the 333 00:13:54,235 --> 00:13:58,086 project investment. It has to do with the type of 334 00:13:58,086 --> 00:14:00,184 value they assign to human life, and 335 00:14:00,184 --> 00:14:02,125 what the potential for loss of 336 00:14:02,125 --> 00:14:05,426 life is, and all that kind of stuff. And that's 337 00:14:05,426 --> 00:14:07,294 basically what drives the 338 00:14:07,294 --> 00:14:09,400 profit side of the project. 339 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:10,749 That's the cost aspect. 340 00:14:10,749 --> 00:14:12,550 The cost is, obviously, 341 00:14:12,550 --> 00:14:13,288 the cost of the 342 00:14:13,288 --> 00:14:14,184 asset 343 00:14:14,184 --> 00:14:16,435 over time, but 344 00:14:16,435 --> 00:14:18,573 all maintenance is taken into account, and it is 345 00:14:18,573 --> 00:14:20,824 brought back to its present value, and then 346 00:14:20,824 --> 00:14:23,697 compared with the benefits. So, 347 00:14:23,697 --> 00:14:25,370 the benefits are, you know, 348 00:14:25,370 --> 00:14:27,489 obviously, first, the preservation 349 00:14:27,489 --> 00:14:29,552 of life and property, which is the 350 00:14:29,552 --> 00:14:33,189 most important figure. And then you 351 00:14:33,189 --> 00:14:35,082 wonder, if I weren't here, 352 00:14:35,082 --> 00:14:37,147 how long it would take to drive 353 00:14:37,147 --> 00:14:39,270 from Gary or LaPorte or South Bend, and 354 00:14:39,270 --> 00:14:42,854 get here. So, you add up 355 00:14:42,854 --> 00:14:44,604 all that ground transportation time 356 00:14:44,604 --> 00:14:46,265 , the additional fuel burned, and 357 00:14:46,265 --> 00:14:48,060 all that ground transportation stuff; all of that 358 00:14:48,060 --> 00:14:51,507 goes into the figures. But 359 00:14:51,507 --> 00:14:53,093 what about the benefit to the 360 00:14:53,093 --> 00:14:54,335 community here? I mean, 361 00:14:54,335 --> 00:14:55,380 that's not really... 362 00:14:55,380 --> 00:14:57,600 We have a pretty big impact 363 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:58,600 on the community. It's 364 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,719 not really an economic impact. 365 00:15:00,719 --> 00:15:02,375 That's it, that's all. 366 00:15:02,375 --> 00:15:02,793 Yes, that's the 367 00:15:02,793 --> 00:15:04,426 impact statement we made. 368 00:15:04,426 --> 00:15:05,942 EIS. 369 00:15:05,942 --> 00:15:07,760 Yes, economic impact study. 370 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,121 Analysis. They just want to know. 371 00:15:10,121 --> 00:15:13,145 Yes, it mainly concerns 372 00:15:13,145 --> 00:15:15,581 direct costs or potential 373 00:15:15,581 --> 00:15:18,605 liability if the project is not carried out 374 00:15:18,605 --> 00:15:20,603 . That's what goes in the 375 00:15:20,603 --> 00:15:24,399 profit column. And the cost is... 376 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:25,839 But I thought it was the 377 00:15:25,839 --> 00:15:26,420 security part. I 378 00:15:26,420 --> 00:15:30,760 know. And I 379 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,468 thought it was the infrastructure. I mean 380 00:15:32,468 --> 00:15:33,910 , I 381 00:15:33,910 --> 00:15:34,250 know. 382 00:15:34,250 --> 00:15:35,619 Yes. 383 00:15:35,619 --> 00:15:40,895 And it's not very clear, you know. I understand you 384 00:15:40,895 --> 00:15:41,460 . 385 00:15:41,460 --> 00:15:44,465 But then you get into very 386 00:15:44,465 --> 00:15:46,693 abstract things. So, to be 387 00:15:46,693 --> 00:15:48,660 totally honest, I don't know what 388 00:15:48,660 --> 00:15:50,967 the rules are. I'm telling you. I don't know what 389 00:15:50,967 --> 00:15:52,621 the rules are for 390 00:15:52,621 --> 00:15:54,320 cost-benefit analysis at an airport 391 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,387 like this, of this size. It's very 392 00:15:56,387 --> 00:15:57,981 clear for Indianapolis. It's not very 393 00:15:57,981 --> 00:15:58,685 clear here. Because nobody 394 00:15:58,685 --> 00:16:04,064 had done it. There isn't a book that says, you 395 00:16:04,064 --> 00:16:07,403 know, that an accident, you know, 396 00:16:07,403 --> 00:16:10,566 has this value or that this human life 397 00:16:10,566 --> 00:16:13,100 has this value. We've already 398 00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:14,890 covered that. 399 00:16:14,890 --> 00:16:16,145 Correct. Did 400 00:16:16,145 --> 00:16:18,660 n't we manage...? Yes. 401 00:16:18,660 --> 00:16:21,474 So we're going to charge as little as 402 00:16:21,474 --> 00:16:24,375 possible because, as you know, we've 403 00:16:24,375 --> 00:16:28,699 invested a lot. They have invested a lot in 404 00:16:28,699 --> 00:16:31,784 this project that goes south. We don't 405 00:16:31,784 --> 00:16:34,494 want to spend money or time on anything other 406 00:16:34,494 --> 00:16:37,506 than building runways 407 00:16:37,506 --> 00:16:39,920 . 408 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,616 Make sure to count the number of 409 00:16:41,616 --> 00:16:43,404 school buses that pass through here 410 00:16:43,404 --> 00:16:44,684 . Yes. I 411 00:16:44,684 --> 00:16:46,105 mean, there are 20,000 412 00:16:46,105 --> 00:16:47,780 cars a day, which, when 413 00:16:47,780 --> 00:16:49,557 we did the initial study, the 414 00:16:49,557 --> 00:16:50,064 initial RPC. 415 00:16:50,064 --> 00:16:51,299 These are the shirts that have that 416 00:16:51,299 --> 00:16:52,020 logo. 417 00:16:52,020 --> 00:16:52,960 Correct. 418 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,439 Yes, that's correct. 419 00:16:55,439 --> 00:16:58,710 Yes. To answer your question, we 420 00:16:58,710 --> 00:16:59,879 've never done a 421 00:16:59,879 --> 00:17:01,220 cost-benefit analysis because we thought we 422 00:17:01,220 --> 00:17:03,723 had already achieved that. Or no, we hadn't 423 00:17:03,723 --> 00:17:04,829 succeeded. 424 00:17:04,829 --> 00:17:06,136 We thought not, I 425 00:17:06,136 --> 00:17:07,532 thought we had made it. 426 00:17:07,532 --> 00:17:09,581 We made one years ago. We 427 00:17:09,581 --> 00:17:11,262 only had to justify the use of the 428 00:17:11,262 --> 00:17:11,621 track. 429 00:17:11,621 --> 00:17:12,992 We made a justification. 430 00:17:12,992 --> 00:17:13,920 Yes. 431 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:14,766 Justification for the 432 00:17:14,766 --> 00:17:15,680 runway. Yes. Yes. 433 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:16,620 And that... 434 00:17:16,620 --> 00:17:21,554 Yes, something like that. Yes. Okay. The project 435 00:17:21,554 --> 00:17:23,359 to seal cracks and surfaces of 436 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,118 the track, a warranty inspection was carried out 437 00:17:25,118 --> 00:17:28,859 . It's not working very 438 00:17:28,859 --> 00:17:32,029 well. Therefore, it was supposed to 439 00:17:32,029 --> 00:17:34,720 last 5 years. That's debatable, I 440 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,050 think. So, we're going to call a 441 00:17:38,050 --> 00:17:40,442 meeting with the N-Dot and the manufacturer 442 00:17:40,442 --> 00:17:42,456 here. There is still more 443 00:17:42,456 --> 00:17:45,094 warranty work to be done. Therefore, 444 00:17:45,094 --> 00:17:46,968 I guess N-Dot will pressure these 445 00:17:46,968 --> 00:17:48,795 people to come and fix it every 446 00:17:48,795 --> 00:17:50,529 spring for the 5 years it was 447 00:17:50,529 --> 00:17:53,099 supposed to last. And then 448 00:17:53,099 --> 00:17:55,829 we will have to, unfortunately, I think 449 00:17:55,829 --> 00:17:58,629 the situation is reaching the point where we 450 00:17:58,629 --> 00:18:03,139 will have to do something about it. 451 00:18:03,139 --> 00:18:04,825 We were trying not to do anything about it 452 00:18:04,825 --> 00:18:06,512 while we were working on the 453 00:18:06,512 --> 00:18:09,725 runway project. But you know, 454 00:18:09,725 --> 00:18:11,947 aviation is the safest means of transport 455 00:18:11,947 --> 00:18:14,166 for a reason. We cannot 456 00:18:14,166 --> 00:18:15,731 allow the track to reach the point where it 457 00:18:15,731 --> 00:18:17,263 becomes a hazard. Therefore, 458 00:18:17,263 --> 00:18:18,795 we will have to do a milling and 459 00:18:18,795 --> 00:18:19,768 filling. 460 00:18:19,768 --> 00:18:22,091 Would it be possible to raise it to where it 461 00:18:22,091 --> 00:18:24,475 needs to be for the next level 462 00:18:24,475 --> 00:18:25,333 ? The next one. 463 00:18:25,333 --> 00:18:30,227 Not so high. There's a lot of fitting. 464 00:18:30,227 --> 00:18:31,962 And simply fill it with soil. 465 00:18:31,962 --> 00:18:38,116 Yes. Okay. Well, that's all. Any 466 00:18:38,116 --> 00:18:43,089 questions about that project? No. Yes. 467 00:18:43,089 --> 00:18:45,124 Regarding the fuel supply, no 468 00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:49,299 changes. The same schedule as 469 00:18:49,299 --> 00:18:51,352 before. I'm supposed to be 470 00:18:51,352 --> 00:18:52,332 here. Well, it's actually in 471 00:18:52,332 --> 00:18:53,359 November, right? 472 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:54,520 Yes, it's almost here. 473 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,849 So they'll leave everything, wire it up 474 00:18:57,849 --> 00:19:00,915 before, you know, they shut down the 475 00:19:00,915 --> 00:19:05,269 old system, that's the plan. So 476 00:19:05,269 --> 00:19:07,415 , if they remove the old system from the 477 00:19:07,415 --> 00:19:12,151 ground and close it up this season, it will be 478 00:19:12,151 --> 00:19:13,885 interesting because winter is coming 479 00:19:13,885 --> 00:19:14,473 . 480 00:19:14,473 --> 00:19:16,408 But they planned to try. So we'll 481 00:19:16,408 --> 00:19:16,826 see. 482 00:19:16,826 --> 00:19:20,862 Clear. Clear. And that 483 00:19:20,862 --> 00:19:23,223 state and local maintenance program. So 484 00:19:23,223 --> 00:19:25,060 we signed the grant agreement yesterday. 485 00:19:25,060 --> 00:19:27,781 Oh. That's great. So now 486 00:19:27,781 --> 00:19:29,468 we have a signed grant agreement. Now we just 487 00:19:29,468 --> 00:19:30,889 need to buy the radar. They have 488 00:19:30,889 --> 00:19:31,867 n't sent you the 489 00:19:31,867 --> 00:19:32,456 purchase order number yet. Not yet 490 00:19:32,456 --> 00:19:33,719 . 491 00:19:33,719 --> 00:19:35,358 As soon as we have the 492 00:19:35,358 --> 00:19:36,703 purchase order number, we will issue the 493 00:19:36,703 --> 00:19:39,137 contracts and you can proceed. With the 494 00:19:39,137 --> 00:19:41,246 weather as it is, it's likely that if 495 00:19:41,246 --> 00:19:43,070 they had an open schedule, 496 00:19:43,070 --> 00:19:45,008 they could come and do it, but 497 00:19:45,008 --> 00:19:47,060 they're probably busy for a 498 00:19:47,060 --> 00:19:49,360 while. That could happen in the 499 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:56,615 spring. The IIJA funds, we have 500 00:19:56,615 --> 00:19:59,476 this point number five and point 501 00:19:59,476 --> 00:20:02,960 number six which go hand in hand. 502 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,901 Consideration of the draft 503 00:20:04,901 --> 00:20:07,105 AWOS professional services agreement. That 504 00:20:07,105 --> 00:20:10,852 is the first project we are going to 505 00:20:10,852 --> 00:20:15,522 focus on at the CIP. The CIP has 506 00:20:15,522 --> 00:20:17,523 very small fonts on the 507 00:20:17,523 --> 00:20:19,506 following page. The fonts 508 00:20:19,506 --> 00:20:22,569 on the page are a bit small. There's a 509 00:20:22,569 --> 00:20:26,649 slightly larger game in the text here, 510 00:20:26,649 --> 00:20:30,729 but basically we're saying we have 511 00:20:30,729 --> 00:20:36,000 $397,000 of IIJA funds left. 512 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:36,860 Mhm. 513 00:20:36,860 --> 00:20:40,190 After we made the track, the 514 00:20:40,190 --> 00:20:45,033 snow removal. And now we have to 515 00:20:45,033 --> 00:20:48,644 spend that money. $20,000 of 516 00:20:48,644 --> 00:20:50,777 that money will expire in October 517 00:20:50,777 --> 00:20:53,071 2027 if we don't spend it. We have plenty of 518 00:20:53,071 --> 00:20:56,620 time to spend them. We have some 519 00:20:56,620 --> 00:20:58,220 projects listed here for which 520 00:20:58,220 --> 00:21:01,903 we had ideas. The AWOS replacement, 521 00:21:01,903 --> 00:21:05,148 PAPI replacements at both ends, 522 00:21:05,148 --> 00:21:08,563 the FA obstruction tower project 523 00:21:08,563 --> 00:21:16,989 . We tested the PAPI and the 524 00:21:16,989 --> 00:21:23,481 obstruction tower together because we believe it 525 00:21:23,481 --> 00:21:26,614 's a good case. I'm still not 526 00:21:26,614 --> 00:21:28,590 sure if they feel the same, but 527 00:21:28,590 --> 00:21:30,620 basically if you fly with the 528 00:21:30,620 --> 00:21:32,436 PAPI angle, pilots feel that the 529 00:21:32,436 --> 00:21:38,239 obstructions are too close. 530 00:21:38,239 --> 00:21:40,191 If we were to replace the PAPIs 531 00:21:40,191 --> 00:21:42,193 today, they would probably be further down 532 00:21:42,193 --> 00:21:43,995 the runway and at a 4° angle 533 00:21:43,995 --> 00:21:45,597 to try to provide more 534 00:21:45,597 --> 00:21:48,280 separation from obstructions. 535 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,779 Those are the two zoom lenses, right? 536 00:21:49,779 --> 00:21:52,325 Yes, at both ends actually. The 537 00:21:52,325 --> 00:21:54,923 far south is actually no better and 538 00:21:54,923 --> 00:21:56,975 I think that's because, in my 539 00:21:56,975 --> 00:21:59,710 research on this, I believe the 540 00:21:59,710 --> 00:22:04,156 PAPIs were installed before the 541 00:22:04,224 --> 00:22:08,075 current displaced threshold locations. And that illusion...Yes, yes, 542 00:22:08,075 --> 00:22:10,350 so instead of being basically 543 00:22:10,350 --> 00:22:12,283 270 feet closer to the end of the 544 00:22:12,283 --> 00:22:14,330 pavement than they should be, 545 00:22:14,330 --> 00:22:17,448 basically at each end. One is 546 00:22:17,448 --> 00:22:20,221 at 250, the other at 270. But that reduces 547 00:22:20,221 --> 00:22:22,848 the height at the threshold crossing, 548 00:22:22,848 --> 00:22:26,501 right? So if we did that, 549 00:22:26,501 --> 00:22:28,443 you would move the PAPIs and lose more 550 00:22:28,443 --> 00:22:30,977 effective runway length. I 551 00:22:30,977 --> 00:22:32,966 mean, the published length remains 552 00:22:32,966 --> 00:22:35,239 the same, but if you fly the PAPI 553 00:22:35,239 --> 00:22:37,512 to the touchdown point, you have no endpoints, but if 554 00:22:37,512 --> 00:22:39,671 you fly the PAPI to the touchdown point 555 00:22:39,671 --> 00:22:41,887 , it's dropping you about 800 556 00:22:41,887 --> 00:22:45,973 feet from the end of the pavement. And 557 00:22:45,973 --> 00:22:48,153 then, when you're 558 00:22:48,153 --> 00:22:50,390 basically working with 4,000 feet of pavement 559 00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:54,203 , you only have 3,200 feet left. We want to 560 00:22:54,203 --> 00:22:56,359 try to preserve as much of the pavement as 561 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,139 possible from the point of contact. 562 00:22:59,139 --> 00:23:01,335 So, at this far north, 563 00:23:01,335 --> 00:23:03,398 we have also determined that they 564 00:23:03,398 --> 00:23:06,060 installed the pappies or installed the 565 00:23:06,060 --> 00:23:08,655 obstruction towers at the height of the 566 00:23:08,655 --> 00:23:11,051 vent tree before 567 00:23:11,051 --> 00:23:13,181 we had the environmental resources plan 568 00:23:13,181 --> 00:23:15,766 . The environmental resources plan 569 00:23:15,766 --> 00:23:17,456 was approved after 570 00:23:17,456 --> 00:23:20,878 the towers were installed. The 571 00:23:20,878 --> 00:23:23,362 environmental resources plan gives us permission 572 00:23:23,362 --> 00:23:25,709 to prune the trees as long as 573 00:23:25,709 --> 00:23:28,055 , you know, we let the 574 00:23:28,055 --> 00:23:30,471 debris fall and don't disturb the 575 00:23:30,471 --> 00:23:32,817 flora and fauna of the forest area's soil 576 00:23:32,817 --> 00:23:37,627 . And with that, we have the 577 00:23:37,627 --> 00:23:39,863 ability to manage those trees 578 00:23:39,863 --> 00:23:42,279 up to a threshold sighting surface 579 00:23:42,279 --> 00:23:44,695 that is more traditional. Instead 580 00:23:44,695 --> 00:23:46,810 of raising the pappies on the ground, 581 00:23:46,810 --> 00:23:49,105 we can keep them at three, which is a 582 00:23:49,105 --> 00:23:53,579 standard approach angle. And 583 00:23:53,579 --> 00:23:55,533 we could lower those towers to that 584 00:23:55,533 --> 00:23:57,386 surface and prune the trees around them 585 00:23:57,386 --> 00:24:01,328 in theory. The justification 586 00:24:01,328 --> 00:24:02,994 for this is that, firstly, we did not have 587 00:24:02,994 --> 00:24:04,616 the environmental resources document 588 00:24:04,616 --> 00:24:06,880 when the towers were installed. 589 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,583 Second, the advisory circular 590 00:24:08,583 --> 00:24:12,238 actually changed. They cited 591 00:24:12,238 --> 00:24:14,077 different thresholds in 592 00:24:14,077 --> 00:24:16,297 advisory circular 5313A, which is what they 593 00:24:16,297 --> 00:24:19,374 are installing. Now we're under 594 00:24:19,374 --> 00:24:21,578 13B and they've changed, they don't even have 595 00:24:21,578 --> 00:24:23,820 appendix two anymore. It is now more 596 00:24:23,820 --> 00:24:25,955 aligned with a TERPS procedure, 597 00:24:25,955 --> 00:24:28,090 which is how instrument approaches are written 598 00:24:28,090 --> 00:24:32,097 . So, we used that 599 00:24:32,097 --> 00:24:35,489 argument. We had a meeting with 600 00:24:35,489 --> 00:24:38,002 Riley and another FA member, Melanie 601 00:24:38,002 --> 00:24:40,322 Myers, who oversees the 602 00:24:40,322 --> 00:24:42,383 Indiana Central team because Riley is 603 00:24:42,383 --> 00:24:45,775 relatively new in this position. And 604 00:24:45,775 --> 00:24:48,692 there were many questions about that. They did not 605 00:24:48,692 --> 00:24:51,277 agree with this. I think 606 00:24:51,277 --> 00:24:53,421 we can solve it. One question was, 607 00:24:53,421 --> 00:24:55,289 well, they already had PAPI, what was the 608 00:24:55,289 --> 00:24:57,011 funding? Well, they were installed 609 00:24:57,011 --> 00:24:58,864 locally. Oh well, the FAA won't 610 00:24:58,864 --> 00:25:00,706 pay to reinstall or replace 611 00:25:00,706 --> 00:25:03,418 locally funded PAPIs. That 612 00:25:03,418 --> 00:25:07,149 's not true. The AIP manual makes it very 613 00:25:07,149 --> 00:25:08,955 clear that they should have been paid in the 614 00:25:08,955 --> 00:25:11,048 beginning. So, in reality, they only 615 00:25:11,048 --> 00:25:12,919 got 20 years of free PAPI. 616 00:25:12,919 --> 00:25:14,225 So that's how you 617 00:25:14,225 --> 00:25:16,131 should look at it. I think we'll definitely win that 618 00:25:16,131 --> 00:25:18,407 argument. The 619 00:25:18,407 --> 00:25:20,841 instruction tower is something like... 620 00:25:20,841 --> 00:25:23,705 Melanie says, "Well, you know, we have 621 00:25:23,705 --> 00:25:26,569 the capability to say that they were installed 622 00:25:26,569 --> 00:25:29,640 according to 13A, they're protected. 623 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,079 They're fine as they are." That's what 624 00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:33,915 we heard the last time we wanted to 625 00:25:33,915 --> 00:25:35,200 download them. We'll 626 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,820 go down one or two, right? 627 00:25:36,820 --> 00:25:39,858 Yes. Yes. We went down the one that's right on 628 00:25:39,858 --> 00:25:45,263 the Sierra Nevada fence, yes. Well, 629 00:25:45,263 --> 00:25:49,337 she didn't believe it, although she opened the 630 00:25:49,337 --> 00:25:53,302 door with, "They're 16 years old. If 631 00:25:53,302 --> 00:25:56,472 they need rehabilitation or, you know, 632 00:25:56,472 --> 00:25:59,317 some work, they're eligible for 633 00:25:59,317 --> 00:26:02,249 rehabilitation." So, we've 634 00:26:02,249 --> 00:26:04,343 moved on to rehabilitating the towers, in 635 00:26:04,343 --> 00:26:06,495 which case, when we rehabilitate them, 636 00:26:06,495 --> 00:26:08,705 we should make them comply with 637 00:26:08,705 --> 00:26:11,032 current standards, and that would have given us 638 00:26:11,032 --> 00:26:13,300 the opportunity to make some adjustments 639 00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:16,057 . Well, Jessica says that most 640 00:26:16,057 --> 00:26:17,812 of the batteries in the lights haven't been 641 00:26:17,812 --> 00:26:19,635 touched. There are a couple of them that we 642 00:26:19,635 --> 00:26:21,200 changed the batteries in, I suppose. 643 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:21,819 Yes. 644 00:26:21,819 --> 00:26:24,620 But most don't. So I think 645 00:26:24,620 --> 00:26:26,182 we have a good case there. So let's go back 646 00:26:26,182 --> 00:26:29,588 to that. And then, in addition, 647 00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:32,450 the trees that have grown have clearly 648 00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:35,228 not been pruned. The trees that 649 00:26:35,228 --> 00:26:36,300 we pruned earlier. 650 00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:37,660 Correct. 651 00:26:37,660 --> 00:26:39,063 Because of the pruning, you know, Jessica 652 00:26:39,063 --> 00:26:40,632 astutely pointed out that the trees we 653 00:26:40,632 --> 00:26:42,118 've pruned before are still 654 00:26:42,118 --> 00:26:43,645 clearly visible because their canopies 655 00:26:43,645 --> 00:26:46,081 are flat. And everyone else, you 656 00:26:46,081 --> 00:26:47,638 know, and their cups are on the floor 657 00:26:47,638 --> 00:26:49,607 right next to them. The others do not 658 00:26:49,607 --> 00:26:51,025 have flat tops and 659 00:26:51,025 --> 00:26:52,527 are not lying on the 660 00:26:52,527 --> 00:26:54,406 ground either. So it's quite easy to 661 00:26:54,406 --> 00:26:56,580 identify. And that's one of the 662 00:26:56,580 --> 00:26:58,344 criteria: the FAA pays for pruning a 663 00:26:58,344 --> 00:27:00,746 tree once. After paying for it 664 00:27:00,746 --> 00:27:02,579 once, it becomes a maintenance item. It is 665 00:27:02,579 --> 00:27:05,801 no longer a capital expenditure. So we 666 00:27:05,801 --> 00:27:07,945 have to convince them that the 667 00:27:07,945 --> 00:27:09,970 trees we are going to prune haven't 668 00:27:09,970 --> 00:27:10,845 paid before. 669 00:27:10,845 --> 00:27:11,759 Yes. 670 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:15,024 Well, we're still working on it. All 671 00:27:15,024 --> 00:27:18,173 this to say that what we had 672 00:27:18,173 --> 00:27:20,896 planned for 2027 was to try to 673 00:27:20,896 --> 00:27:24,015 resolve those things. So we're going to 674 00:27:24,015 --> 00:27:25,955 spend IJ money on the 675 00:27:25,955 --> 00:27:27,841 fuel farm, IJ money on AWOS, for 676 00:27:27,841 --> 00:27:30,112 sure. Now, let's talk quickly about 677 00:27:30,112 --> 00:27:35,040 the AWOS. The AWOS is a Vaisala AWOS. 678 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,972 Vaisala was bought by a company 679 00:27:36,972 --> 00:27:40,173 called DBT. DBT also bought a 680 00:27:40,173 --> 00:27:44,234 company called All Weather. Mhm. All 681 00:27:44,234 --> 00:27:46,574 Weather and Vaisala are two approved AWOS systems 682 00:27:46,574 --> 00:27:49,451 . There are only four 683 00:27:49,451 --> 00:27:52,183 AWOS systems approved by the FAA. So 684 00:27:52,183 --> 00:27:54,420 now one company has two of them. 685 00:27:54,420 --> 00:27:56,311 Vaisala was mainly manufactured in 686 00:27:56,311 --> 00:27:59,651 Canada. They are ceasing to manufacture them 687 00:27:59,651 --> 00:28:02,594 in Canada. All Weather was manufactured in 688 00:28:02,594 --> 00:28:05,260 Colorado. They are adapting everything to that. 689 00:28:05,260 --> 00:28:06,520 So the Vaisalas are 690 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,129 rapidly running out of support. Almost 691 00:28:09,129 --> 00:28:10,736 all of our customers who have 692 00:28:10,736 --> 00:28:12,480 Vaisalas are doing 693 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,537 replacement programs. If you have a Vaisala, it's a 694 00:28:15,537 --> 00:28:19,713 good project. It fits perfectly into 695 00:28:19,713 --> 00:28:23,211 the funds you have left from the IJ. You have 696 00:28:23,211 --> 00:28:26,135 20,000 that are about to expire. It's quite 697 00:28:26,135 --> 00:28:29,216 clear. I think it's a piece of cake to be able to 698 00:28:29,216 --> 00:28:31,214 use those funds and not let 699 00:28:31,214 --> 00:28:35,813 those 20,000 expire. Well, that's what we 700 00:28:35,813 --> 00:28:37,847 recommend, that we move forward 701 00:28:37,847 --> 00:28:39,776 and start working hard to make it 702 00:28:39,776 --> 00:28:43,639 work. Right now there are no 703 00:28:43,639 --> 00:28:46,423 technical problems with your AWOS, except 704 00:28:46,423 --> 00:28:49,431 that if you run out of salami, you might 705 00:28:49,431 --> 00:28:52,290 not be able to find another one because they are no longer 706 00:28:52,290 --> 00:28:55,271 manufactured. It's a hard piece 707 00:28:55,271 --> 00:28:58,876 to find. People sell used ones 708 00:28:58,876 --> 00:29:01,115 when the old systems stop 709 00:29:01,115 --> 00:29:04,181 working. But right now it's the 710 00:29:04,181 --> 00:29:05,559 only way to find them. 711 00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:07,620 And you don't know how long they'll last. So you 712 00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:09,180 buy it and you don't even know how much 713 00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:09,981 time you have left. 714 00:29:09,981 --> 00:29:11,240 How old is yours? 715 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,520 16 years old. 716 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,519 Oh. 2010. 717 00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:16,997 Yes, and they say they are usually 718 00:29:16,997 --> 00:29:22,380 replaced after 15 or 20 years. 719 00:29:22,380 --> 00:29:24,545 Yes, the other old ones are 720 00:29:24,545 --> 00:29:30,638 good too. They have a much more 721 00:29:30,638 --> 00:29:35,386 internet-based interface, so Jessica 722 00:29:35,386 --> 00:29:38,711 will be able to make additions. 723 00:29:38,711 --> 00:29:40,530 Yes. So, when you listen to the 724 00:29:40,530 --> 00:29:42,386 A-wash, you can notice that at the end of it there is 725 00:29:42,386 --> 00:29:44,610 a small recording. I mean 726 00:29:44,610 --> 00:29:45,921 , she can send it and 727 00:29:45,921 --> 00:29:48,433 record it. Yes, every time you issue a 728 00:29:48,433 --> 00:29:50,250 note, you can post it on the 729 00:29:50,250 --> 00:29:51,964 back of the A-wash too if 730 00:29:51,964 --> 00:29:54,989 you want. And that's what 731 00:29:54,989 --> 00:29:57,278 most of the places you know do; when you 732 00:29:57,278 --> 00:29:59,504 walk in and listen to the A-sauce, like 733 00:29:59,504 --> 00:30:01,857 South Bend, they have a recording at the 734 00:30:01,857 --> 00:30:05,388 end. It's the same system. 735 00:30:05,388 --> 00:30:06,260 They're simply 736 00:30:06,260 --> 00:30:07,240 playing. 737 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,777 Well, you said that this 20,000 738 00:30:09,777 --> 00:30:14,139 would cover the A-wash and the AS... 739 00:30:14,139 --> 00:30:16,488 Oh, no, no, no. That's it, that's all... 740 00:30:16,488 --> 00:30:18,508 We have 20,000 that are expiring because it's going to be 741 00:30:18,508 --> 00:30:20,169 3 years old. 742 00:30:20,169 --> 00:30:21,180 Total? 743 00:30:21,180 --> 00:30:24,047 20. Yes, the A-wash is 212,000 with 744 00:30:24,047 --> 00:30:27,335 professional services and facilities 745 00:30:27,335 --> 00:30:31,365 . And this one is for a 3PT, which 746 00:30:31,365 --> 00:30:34,441 means it's third generation 747 00:30:34,441 --> 00:30:36,797 . It has a rainfall 748 00:30:36,797 --> 00:30:38,000 and thunderstorm detector. 749 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,169 Okay. 750 00:30:39,169 --> 00:30:40,379 21,000. 751 00:30:40,379 --> 00:30:41,440 3 years. 752 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,519 Okay, so we're simply 753 00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:46,281 adding those 20 to whatever value it is. 754 00:30:46,281 --> 00:30:51,999 Monthly costs. Understood. 755 00:30:51,999 --> 00:30:59,594 Yes. Yes. Yes. And we're estimating the 756 00:30:59,594 --> 00:31:02,063 PAPI replacement, 757 00:31:02,063 --> 00:31:05,672 tower rehabilitation, and 758 00:31:05,672 --> 00:31:09,376 additional tree trimming that the FAA hasn't 759 00:31:09,376 --> 00:31:14,500 paid for at basically 500 of 69,000. 760 00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:16,399 Yes. 761 00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:19,532 So the fuel park, 762 00:31:19,532 --> 00:31:22,933 you can see that the fuel park portion 763 00:31:22,933 --> 00:31:26,425 is 1.17, but we're only 764 00:31:26,425 --> 00:31:29,826 using 166,500 of IJ funds because 765 00:31:29,826 --> 00:31:33,139 that's all that was determined to be 766 00:31:33,139 --> 00:31:38,200 eligible from IJ. So, among 767 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,600 all these projects, the reason that 768 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,820 number is in the red is that that's 769 00:31:42,820 --> 00:31:44,380 the IJ balance 770 00:31:44,380 --> 00:31:46,720 we would allocate to the 771 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,060 PAPI tree obstruction tower project, and that would 772 00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:52,783 deplete all the IJ. And then you would pay for 773 00:31:52,783 --> 00:31:54,917 the rest of that project with the 774 00:31:54,917 --> 00:31:57,630 rights. Technically you have $ 775 00:31:57,630 --> 00:31:59,477 300,000 in rights because 776 00:31:59,477 --> 00:32:01,741 we transferred them last year, you get 777 00:32:01,741 --> 00:32:03,589 another $150 this year, but we would only 778 00:32:03,589 --> 00:32:05,633 use $206 of that. So you would have some money left over 779 00:32:05,633 --> 00:32:08,694 . That would go towards the 780 00:32:08,694 --> 00:32:13,003 program's balance, which is expected to get 781 00:32:13,003 --> 00:32:17,539 this 782 00:32:17,539 --> 00:32:18,320 track project back on track. 783 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:19,730 The BCA. 784 00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:21,571 So, the BCA, we're not actually 785 00:32:21,571 --> 00:32:23,617 showing it here because we already had that 786 00:32:23,617 --> 00:32:25,407 other agreement and another grant, and 787 00:32:25,407 --> 00:32:27,198 we're going to repurpose some of those 788 00:32:27,198 --> 00:32:28,270 funds for the BCA. 789 00:32:28,270 --> 00:32:30,980 Oh, okay. 790 00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:33,939 Yes, in that one we have 157. We've used 791 00:32:33,939 --> 00:32:37,441 the whole percentage, so 140,000. 792 00:32:37,441 --> 00:32:38,879 Left. 793 00:32:38,879 --> 00:32:40,280 Yes. 794 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,559 And we won't use all of that for the BCA. 795 00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:45,517 I'm thinking of something between 10 and 50. 796 00:32:45,517 --> 00:32:53,240 It's a high number, but I don't know. 797 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,116 It'll be at least $10,000 because 798 00:32:56,116 --> 00:32:58,992 my people don't come to work for less 799 00:32:58,992 --> 00:33:01,795 than $10,000, so...well, 800 00:33:01,795 --> 00:33:05,358 that's it. So, if it's alright with you 801 00:33:05,358 --> 00:33:07,700 , item five on your 802 00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:09,915 agenda is this consideration of 803 00:33:09,915 --> 00:33:12,384 professional loss services A. 804 00:33:12,384 --> 00:33:14,817 There's a draft of that. Of course, they don't 805 00:33:14,817 --> 00:33:16,364 need to act on that this 806 00:33:16,364 --> 00:33:20,416 month. I didn't expect them to do it, but 807 00:33:20,416 --> 00:33:22,479 I wanted to show it to them because, if 808 00:33:22,479 --> 00:33:24,865 we decide that's the way 809 00:33:24,865 --> 00:33:27,186 we want to do it, I want to get it going 810 00:33:27,186 --> 00:33:29,442 so we can get through the 811 00:33:29,442 --> 00:33:33,619 FA process. They will begin accepting 812 00:33:33,619 --> 00:33:35,924 applications again in November for 813 00:33:35,924 --> 00:33:38,169 the next round, with 814 00:33:38,169 --> 00:33:40,414 half grants expected sometime 815 00:33:40,414 --> 00:33:44,283 between March and April. But they will accept 816 00:33:44,283 --> 00:33:47,021 applications from November to December 817 00:33:47,021 --> 00:33:52,146 for that April program. Well, 818 00:33:52,146 --> 00:33:53,896 they can file the motion tonight. 819 00:33:53,896 --> 00:33:55,836 If they want some time to think about it 820 00:33:55,836 --> 00:34:06,274 and send it last month. 821 00:34:06,274 --> 00:34:10,225 I like the motion that we approve the 822 00:34:10,225 --> 00:34:14,176 order of project number 11 of annex 823 00:34:14,176 --> 00:34:17,479 one to...Yes, I 824 00:34:17,479 --> 00:34:18,850 second it. Is 825 00:34:18,850 --> 00:34:19,780 everyone in favor? 826 00:34:19,780 --> 00:34:22,939 Yes. Yes. 827 00:34:22,939 --> 00:34:26,688 Okay. They certainly don't need to pass the 828 00:34:26,688 --> 00:34:28,940 Pappy or the CIP tonight 829 00:34:28,940 --> 00:34:31,221 . I recommend that you do not 830 00:34:31,221 --> 00:34:33,129 do so until we attempt to hold 831 00:34:33,129 --> 00:34:34,679 our CIP meeting. I think it's 832 00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:36,220 next week. 833 00:34:36,220 --> 00:34:37,566 Well, we haven't 834 00:34:37,566 --> 00:34:40,035 scheduled it yet. I don't think it will be until the 835 00:34:40,035 --> 00:34:43,279 first or second week of November. 836 00:34:43,279 --> 00:34:45,032 I hope it will be before their 837 00:34:45,032 --> 00:34:45,640 November meeting. 838 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,620 I thought it was always during the AAI. 839 00:34:47,620 --> 00:34:50,486 He is, but they didn't fire him. They didn't 840 00:34:50,486 --> 00:34:51,880 schedule it. 841 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,740 Yes. 842 00:34:53,740 --> 00:34:56,140 But now we have to choose for that. 843 00:34:56,140 --> 00:34:57,239 So we asked. 844 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,018 Well, there are 68 airports and they 845 00:35:00,018 --> 00:35:04,125 only carry out 12 each year. Well, you were 846 00:35:04,125 --> 00:35:05,402 n't scheduled for the 847 00:35:05,402 --> 00:35:06,951 original meeting of 12. That doesn't mean you can't 848 00:35:06,951 --> 00:35:07,865 request one. 849 00:35:07,865 --> 00:35:08,260 Clear. 850 00:35:08,260 --> 00:35:10,017 But they usually do them 851 00:35:10,017 --> 00:35:11,579 virtually, like a week or two 852 00:35:11,579 --> 00:35:12,239 later. 853 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:12,800 Yes. 854 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:13,935 So it will probably be a 855 00:35:13,935 --> 00:35:16,014 virtual meeting. Well, 856 00:35:16,014 --> 00:35:18,288 we can probably tell you we'll come by car if 857 00:35:18,288 --> 00:35:20,926 you want to come in person. We've always 858 00:35:20,926 --> 00:35:22,540 gone in person in the past. 859 00:35:22,540 --> 00:35:23,719 Yes. I do 860 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,252 n't really know if that makes much of a difference 861 00:35:26,252 --> 00:35:28,591 with this particular group, 862 00:35:28,591 --> 00:35:31,060 but I'd be happy to drive 863 00:35:31,060 --> 00:35:32,859 there with you. 864 00:35:32,859 --> 00:35:34,340 Zoom. 865 00:35:34,340 --> 00:35:36,851 Yes. Well, I would say let's 866 00:35:36,851 --> 00:35:38,841 postpone it until the 867 00:35:38,841 --> 00:35:41,012 November meeting. We could get more 868 00:35:41,012 --> 00:35:42,710 information. And if we don't have the 869 00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:44,773 CIP meeting before the 870 00:35:44,773 --> 00:35:46,727 November meeting, we'll have to approve 871 00:35:46,727 --> 00:35:50,219 something. It's December 1st. So... 872 00:35:50,219 --> 00:35:51,662 There will be action at the 873 00:35:51,662 --> 00:35:52,916 November meeting. 874 00:35:52,916 --> 00:35:55,774 Like what kind of things? Very good. Alright 875 00:35:55,774 --> 00:35:56,470 . 876 00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:58,421 Very good. Thank you for your time. Do 877 00:35:58,421 --> 00:36:02,520 n't worry. Any other business? 878 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,100 None. 879 00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:05,560 Very good. Any new issues? 880 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,186 New business, we have many 881 00:36:07,186 --> 00:36:11,773 new businesses. We have an assignment of 882 00:36:11,773 --> 00:36:14,375 leases for 883 00:36:14,375 --> 00:36:17,844 aircraft storage land for A 4-3, 884 00:36:17,844 --> 00:36:22,560 A 4-5, A 4-7 and hangars T A2 to A3. 885 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,995 A tenant passed away, so this 886 00:36:24,995 --> 00:36:27,431 is just a transfer of 887 00:36:27,431 --> 00:36:29,995 land leases to his children, who were already 888 00:36:29,995 --> 00:36:32,495 on the land leases before 889 00:36:32,495 --> 00:36:35,548 . It's very easy. It's just a 890 00:36:35,548 --> 00:36:38,201 one-page, double-sided document. All 891 00:36:38,201 --> 00:36:40,671 leases do not change. It's 892 00:36:40,671 --> 00:36:42,435 just a matter of changing, removing one name and 893 00:36:42,435 --> 00:36:44,297 leaving only the other two on the 894 00:36:44,297 --> 00:36:46,768 list. That's all they do. 895 00:36:46,768 --> 00:36:47,860 Land leases continue to 896 00:36:47,860 --> 00:36:49,961 say the same thing. If they could 897 00:36:49,961 --> 00:36:56,388 approve it, that would be great. And then 898 00:36:56,388 --> 00:36:57,463 I'll talk about the last one, unless you 899 00:36:57,463 --> 00:36:58,699 want me to. 900 00:36:58,699 --> 00:37:00,859 Yes, I will make a motion for us to 901 00:37:00,859 --> 00:37:05,113 approve Philip's transfer of 902 00:37:05,181 --> 00:37:07,882 aircraft storage land leases for A4-3, 903 00:37:07,882 --> 00:37:09,830 A4-5, A4-7, A2-A3, and 904 00:37:09,830 --> 00:37:10,489 Perfecto. 905 00:37:10,489 --> 00:37:11,654 A 4-9. Not yet 906 00:37:11,654 --> 00:37:12,938 . Not yet. 907 00:37:12,938 --> 00:37:14,120 Oh I'm sorry. 908 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:24,505 Postponing the last one. The last one is an 909 00:37:24,505 --> 00:37:27,605 actual land lease that has 910 00:37:27,605 --> 00:37:29,398 changed. It's a new 911 00:37:29,398 --> 00:37:31,606 land lease. This particular hangar 912 00:37:31,606 --> 00:37:33,655 was also owned by Dale, that is 913 00:37:33,655 --> 00:37:35,938 , the same person, the same group 914 00:37:35,938 --> 00:37:38,354 . He was there, the two children 915 00:37:38,354 --> 00:37:40,400 too, but he had a 916 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,236 20-year lease that had ended and 917 00:37:42,236 --> 00:37:44,282 then he had a 10-year extension 918 00:37:44,282 --> 00:37:47,222 that had also ended. The 919 00:37:47,222 --> 00:37:48,647 old contract only included a 920 00:37:48,647 --> 00:37:50,276 10-year extension, so we had to 921 00:37:50,276 --> 00:37:53,058 draw up a new one for him. This 922 00:37:53,058 --> 00:37:56,643 lease is for 5 years. And that's 923 00:37:56,643 --> 00:37:58,469 to make sure the 924 00:37:58,469 --> 00:38:00,564 new owners don't live in the area 925 00:38:00,564 --> 00:38:02,659 , so they'll make sure they 926 00:38:02,659 --> 00:38:04,808 keep all the insurance up to date and 927 00:38:04,808 --> 00:38:06,795 that they have planes in all the 928 00:38:06,795 --> 00:38:10,087 hangars. Currently, they are 929 00:38:10,087 --> 00:38:12,142 managed by a manager who 930 00:38:12,142 --> 00:38:14,766 is neither on the ground nor in the area. He 931 00:38:14,766 --> 00:38:16,048 has no experience in aviation or anything like that 932 00:38:16,048 --> 00:38:17,921 . So it's a 933 00:38:17,921 --> 00:38:19,433 5-year lease with no 934 00:38:19,433 --> 00:38:22,526 renewal. To make sure 935 00:38:22,526 --> 00:38:24,683 everything is going well, and if it is, in 5 years 936 00:38:24,683 --> 00:38:26,896 we can do whatever the board decides at 937 00:38:26,896 --> 00:38:29,459 that time. Well. 938 00:38:29,459 --> 00:38:30,945 this is the hangar we 939 00:38:30,945 --> 00:38:32,320 agreed to give 5 years to. 940 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,360 Correct. And that's the A4-9. 941 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,053 Okay. 942 00:38:37,053 --> 00:38:39,208 And they have aircraft. I made sure they had 943 00:38:39,208 --> 00:38:40,379 aircraft in all their 944 00:38:40,379 --> 00:38:41,697 hangars because those were kind of 945 00:38:41,697 --> 00:38:43,419 stipulations we talked about. 946 00:38:43,419 --> 00:38:46,034 Well, there are aircraft on them. They are 947 00:38:46,034 --> 00:38:47,567 doing a good job. They are up to 948 00:38:47,567 --> 00:38:49,614 date with all their insurance. Everything is 949 00:38:49,614 --> 00:38:51,279 fine. All of their leases are 950 00:38:51,279 --> 00:38:53,104 paid. So there's no reason not to 951 00:38:53,104 --> 00:38:56,439 give them another lease. Well. Okay. 952 00:38:56,439 --> 00:38:58,488 I will make a motion for us to approve the 953 00:38:58,488 --> 00:39:00,435 5-year lease of hangar A 954 00:39:00,435 --> 00:39:00,744 4-9. I 955 00:39:00,744 --> 00:39:01,560 second that. 956 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:02,827 Okay. Is everyone in favor? 957 00:39:02,827 --> 00:39:03,801 Yes. 958 00:39:03,801 --> 00:39:06,207 Motion approved. Do 959 00:39:06,207 --> 00:39:07,579 we have to sign all of that today? 960 00:39:07,579 --> 00:39:09,061 No. It's just that the only one that needed 961 00:39:09,061 --> 00:39:10,582 everyone's signature was the 962 00:39:10,582 --> 00:39:12,955 land lease. All assignments are 963 00:39:12,955 --> 00:39:14,560 for one person only. 964 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,140 Understood. 965 00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:17,561 Anyone who wants to sign it can do so. 966 00:39:17,561 --> 00:39:18,408 Okay, is this the 967 00:39:18,408 --> 00:39:18,972 claims file? 968 00:39:18,972 --> 00:39:20,532 Yes, that 969 00:39:20,532 --> 00:39:27,600 was circulating around here. 52,189.34. 970 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,390 Oh, did you have a question? Are there two 971 00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:32,543 payments to NIPsco there? 972 00:39:32,543 --> 00:39:34,268 Yes. Because we didn't have 973 00:39:34,268 --> 00:39:35,458 a meeting in September, so it's all the 974 00:39:35,458 --> 00:39:36,745 claims from September and all the 975 00:39:36,745 --> 00:39:39,095 claims from October. And besides, 976 00:39:39,095 --> 00:39:41,209 we have two payments to NIPsco every month anyway 977 00:39:41,209 --> 00:39:42,890 because they couldn't 978 00:39:42,890 --> 00:39:44,950 consolidate our new SRE building 979 00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:47,932 with everything else. So I have to 980 00:39:47,932 --> 00:39:49,836 pay for everything, and then I have a 981 00:39:49,836 --> 00:39:52,400 separate bill for the SRE building. Okay, 982 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,208 we paid. But, I mean, the city 983 00:39:54,208 --> 00:39:55,505 only writes one check, but we 984 00:39:55,505 --> 00:39:56,964 actually now have two 985 00:39:56,964 --> 00:39:58,505 separate bills for the airport because of 986 00:39:58,505 --> 00:40:01,275 that building. Good questions, Kirk. I 987 00:40:01,275 --> 00:40:03,160 like it. Good questions. 988 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,400 Okay, the details. 989 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,299 Yes they are. Let us 990 00:40:06,299 --> 00:40:08,467 make a motion to accept 991 00:40:08,467 --> 00:40:10,580 the claim file for the 992 00:40:10,580 --> 00:40:12,259 amount of $52,189.34. I 993 00:40:12,259 --> 00:40:13,279 second that. Is 994 00:40:13,279 --> 00:40:14,360 everyone in favor? 995 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,780 Yes. 996 00:40:15,780 --> 00:40:21,880 Motion approved. OK. 997 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:29,820 None. Let's 998 00:40:29,820 --> 00:40:30,772 make a motion to adjourn the 999 00:40:30,772 --> 00:40:31,979 session.