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Michigan City Sustainability Commission meeting on October 8th. You can

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www.accesslaportecounty.org. Get

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ahead. Okay, I'd like to open

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Michigan City Sustainability Commission session on

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Thursday, October 8th at 4:31 PM. Larry,

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can I ask you to take attendance?

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Yes. Dale Betts.

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Here.

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Tristan Bogart.

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Excuse me.

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Daisy Lee.

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Present.

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Beverly Mac Martin.

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Present.

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Nancy Moldenhauer.

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Excused.

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Shane Moore. Okay, wait. It may

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appear.

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Abigail Neary.

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Emre Singh.

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Here.

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Lauren Zimmer here. It seems we have a

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quorum.

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Brilliant. Thank you. I would like to propose

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the approval of the minutes of September

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2026. Do you support me?

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I support it.

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Thanks, Emre. Everyone in favor of approving

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the minutes of September 2026,

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let's say I.

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Anyone against it?

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Approved unanimously. Let's move on to the

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priority teams. So, point A

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, explore the use of compressed natural gas

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by the city's fleet

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. I have been in contact with

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Councillor Press Balinski, who is

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working on this project. There are no

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updates since the last meeting.

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Point B, solar energy options

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for the municipal government. This is

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also still on hold, but the team is

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working to find companies to

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repair the solar panels at the

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police station and the senior citizens' center

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. Point C,

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municipal electric vehicle projects.

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This is a cooperative project

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between Drive Clean Indiana, the

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police department, and the

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sustainability commission, and we will continue to

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explore options for adding

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electric vehicles to the fleet with

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grants. Point D,

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ecological burials and burial sections.

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Larry reported at the last meeting

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that the cemetery's board of directors

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has officially approved the rules

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for eco-friendly burials.

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We will share them.

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Yesterday I have...Oh, I have something to

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report.

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Yes, great.

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My partner in this project is my husband,

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Ted Prusinski, and he prepared this

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brochure that was presented at the

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meeting this afternoon, but I don't know

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what the result of the

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vote was, but this... Well, this is

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a draft of what we are

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asking the cemetery to use to

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help promote

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green burials.

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Brilliant. Thank you. Okay,

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once they give the final go-ahead,

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fine, then maybe there's a way to

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publish it on...is there any way to

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publish it on the

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sustainability commission's website?

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Okay. Like a link or something.

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Okay. Well, someone can help me do it

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once we know what

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Brilliant.

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Well, basically it's just

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general observations and then a

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brief description of what

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green burial is, how you should

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collaborate with your funeral director,

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and then the regulations that

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Swan Lake created that everyone should follow

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to have a green burial. They're

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pretty basic, but hey, that's

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where we are. It's progressing.

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There is now a section of 22 graves in this

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area with room to expand.

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So, they're going to make a sign to

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designate the area. Yes. That's all.

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Brilliant.

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They thought I could...Congratulations.

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Yes, thanks. Then you could get

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the best one now, and it's available.

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Yes, if someone wanted to do it. Yes that's

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I guess we'll have to... Well

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, you'll have to give us

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regular updates because I'm going to say we can't

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. It's almost done. The

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project is almost finished. But if

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Yes of course. And uh, we had a "

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if we want to be eco-friendly now," as you

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know, with some of us, "if

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we want to..."

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Forward. Yes, make a short list.

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Yes. You should go and find out... We've been

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working with Patrick Reynolds

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at Everstock. He totally

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agrees with all of this, he's very helpful in

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pre-planning and makes good

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suggestions, so yes, I would say

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go talk to him and do your

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pre-planning. Don't wait. You should

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never know when you're going to go.

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Act now.

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okay? Do

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we get a good discount for being

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in the first 10? I don't know

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anything like that. But you do

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get a discount if you buy two.

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Oh, oh.

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Although I couldn't use a

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frequency card.

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How funny.

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So that's my report on that.

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Thank you.

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Congratulations.

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Waste reduction,

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smart recycling, do your part. Okay, M and

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Dale, I'll ask you if you have any

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news for us.

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Well, I still haven't heard

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from our pro bono designer. I know

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Nancy followed up, but I think

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we'll have to follow up

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once more and get it going before we

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lose momentum. So I'll get

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in touch with him again and

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see what's going on.

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Thank you. Is

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this part of the...? Well, I've

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contacted

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L's address twice since we met,

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but I haven't received a response. But I

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will continue. I think I can be a little

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more aggressive. So, if the

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members agree, I'll continue. I know they have

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many things in the works.

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They fill an arriving bus and have

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many things for the community. I went to

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Strack and the other day in Manchester,

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just out of curiosity, and I didn't see the

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5 cent discount. Unless

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they are no longer doing so on the

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receipt. I just thought it was

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interesting. Yes, because I like that.

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your own bag, yes. If you bring

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four bags, they still give you 5

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cents. They're 5 cents each,

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but yes, they'll give you a 5 cent

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discount.

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That's not a great motivator.

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Yes, actually it isn't. You know,

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but I thought it was great when they did it

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because it's like only

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someone else cared. As if you

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knew, they're as if you knew, when

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at least they try. Yes, but I know

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I learned more, I know that L has the

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reusable bag program and that they

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also do something with them, you know

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, so that's good too,

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which I didn't know. So I'm

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learning as I go, but I'll keep

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following them.

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Brilliant. We

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may have to send some

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heavyweights after their top executives

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if they don't. So. We'll name it

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Nancy.

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Yes, that's what I think.

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Gap does it too. If you bring your

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own bag, you get a discount of

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5 or 10 cents.

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Really? Does Gap do that? It's interesting.

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And for H&M shoppers, if

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you bring in used clothes, you'll get a

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10-15% discount coupon that day that

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you can use in the store.

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Yes. And you only need to bring one

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item. They don't care what

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condition it's in, you just

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tell them when you arrive and they print you a

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coupon.

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Interesting. Does it have to

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be from the H&M brand?

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Yes. Oh, no. No. Should

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I buy there?

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Oh. Yes. Yes. They

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don't look. It's simply...a

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clever ploy on their part

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to make people think, "Well, something

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's worn out. Now I have to go

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buy something new." Okay, I'll go to H&M.

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TRUE? Yes, he's intelligent. They

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also have a full line of

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recycled materials that they create. Yes.

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There was a lawsuit about it, but they've

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now corrected what they were saying.

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brand names and things like that appeared.

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No, because they claimed to be...they were

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sued for greenwashing

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because they said, "Oh, this is called

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our line." They had a line

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for it. It was named after their

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sustainability line. But in reality, not

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everything there met

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the standards one might expect.

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So now it will put on the labels

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that it is made of 90%

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recycled cotton or acrylic. So now they've

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changed it. They still have a

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policy, but they need to be more

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transparent about it. That's

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Can we go back one second? You said you did

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n't understand your report.

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Who did you work with?

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I think his name is Sam. He is the graphic designer that

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Nancy contacted. Nancy and I completed a

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sort of brand identity questionnaire for

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the project and the

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sustainability committee so that he could

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get an idea of ​​how to create a

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graphic and a set of

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promotional materials for

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Recycle Smart and the Strong

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Cutlery initiative. Well, I haven't heard from

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you since I sent it. Nancy followed up, and we have

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n't heard from you, so...

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follow up.

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Okay. I also contacted

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someone in IT I work with and

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asked if they would be willing to

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help us create the promotional video

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Oh, great.

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With Sasha, you know, she's kind of a

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tech genius, so she knows

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how to do all this, and if we could

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work out the format with Sasha and

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Chris from the solid waste department

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, I mean, the

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garbage department here. Yes.

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And it should last between 5 and 10 minutes and be

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very quick, like "This is what

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we take," and show examples of what

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is good and what is not. And then

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we could promote it in the city and

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on the website and let people

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who might be new to the area or whatever

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, if they don't understand what

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recyclable is, know this is what needs to be

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done. Just watch the video, you

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know, we can show you how to take the

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container out to the street, you know,

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making sure it's not next to

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the garbage and all that. Don't put it in

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bags.

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That's

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right, all that kind of stuff.

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Well, he would take care of making the

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video; Will he record the video too,

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or just the people? Okay, the filming.

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Then you could help us edit it and

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then publish it. You know, we can, and I

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think we could simply call it,

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smart recycling—do your part.

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Yes, definitely.

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York County. Well, yes, I don't know if

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there will be any graphics involved,

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maybe this guy Sam could work

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with us.

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Definitely.

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So it's kind of a

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unified look whether there's going to be print and

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video or whatever.

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Well, I think recycling

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intelligently, doing your part, is going to be a

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recurring theme, like we did with

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smart plants, doing your part

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when we planted native plants. So

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recycling intelligently,

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doing your part, is going to have the same

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kind of impact.

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Ah, okay. It's

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always like filling in the

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blank space and using it for different things.

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That's great.

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We do different projects.

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And that is memorable. Yes. Great. That's

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great.

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So I'll try to set a date

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to coordinate Sasha and Chris.

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Yes, maybe we should have a

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meeting and talk about it and meet

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with the guys I work with,

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David.

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And I can give you their

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contact information if we arrange a meeting

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with the six of us or something and

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work out a plan.

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Yes, that sounds good.

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Yes. Okay. Thanks, Em.

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If you'd like any children to appear in

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that video, I have some current and

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former students who are very energetic

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and would love to be in a video like that

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.

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Okay, great. OK. It's

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a great idea.

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It's a good angle.

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Well, I have one more thing about

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recycling. I found this great company

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on the Internet. His name is Ridwell. RI D W

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E L L dot com. What they do is take

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all the multi-layered plastic that

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nobody seems to know what to do with and

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print photos of everything they take. What they

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do is send you a bag that

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you can fill, seal, and mail back to them

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. It already has the

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postage paid label.

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Oh.

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That's great.

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So I'm going to try it for a

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while and see how it works. And they have it

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for everything. Basically, on their

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website they say they have

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clothing items, batteries, light bulbs, all kinds of

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plastics, all that kind of stuff that you ca

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n't normally fit in your bag

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. It's like you don't put in cans or glass or

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that kind of thing, but it's all those

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things that nobody seems to know

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what to do with.

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What's that called again?

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Ridwell, ridwell dot com. So,

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just take a look at their

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website. It's very... It's very comprehensive and very

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informative too.

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Well, it couldn't be easier than

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taking a bag, putting it in a bag, and

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then putting it in the mailbox. It could

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n't be easier. And what

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they do is provide photographs,

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so that, you know, instead of

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trying to verbally describe what

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kind of plastic it is, there are pictures,

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so you know clearly

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what to do with the plastic.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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Also the plastic ones from Amazon. I saw

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that photo there.

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Yes. Yes.

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Even bubble wrap.

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Have. Okay. Uh-huh. Yes.

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And those pillow things,

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bread wrappers, yes, FedEx bags. So.

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And you pay for that bag?

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Yes, you pay $20 and then they

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ship it to you, and that probably helps

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cover the shipping costs, I imagine

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. So,

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people donate to Goodwill. In

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fact, these are mine for now. If

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everyone goes and looks at the website,

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yes,

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you'll see all the information

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about my trash bag. It's called Trashy,

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t r a s h i e. And this will be the third one. That's

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how the bags are. They're huge, but, you

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know, like Goodwill and stuff, they

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just throw it away if something

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has a hole in it. They accept everything. They accept

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old rags, quilts, they want

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everything. And they are similar. The bag costs

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$20 and then they give you a coupon

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to use at various stores. I have

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n't used the coupon yet, but do

419
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you send that bag back later?

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Yes.

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Oh, it's the same idea. Trash?

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Yes, trash.

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Okay. dot com?

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I think it's point io.

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What does ".io" mean? Do

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n't know

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. I wondered about that too.

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Okay.

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Something international, perhaps? I've been seeing it more and more

430
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, so I don't know

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exactly what it means. Larry,

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would you like to share anything about the regatta,

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the recycling you did, or any

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lessons you learned from it?

435
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Yes, it's very difficult. That's what

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I learned. Because people just, you

437
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know, I put up a very

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transparent box with a sign, and then there was

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the trash can with the

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black bag inside. So for me it was

441
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very clear that this is trash, this is

442
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recycling. People seem to throw anything and everything away

443
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. There isn't... They just don't

444
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care, you know? Or they're in a big

445
00:16:03,580 --> 00:16:05,400
hurry, so they just run and

446
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throw it away anywhere. So

447
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I spent most of the day

448
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just monitoring like 10

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different ones, you know, each one had

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stations up and down the beach

451
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from a trash can and a box. And I

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just spent the day

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monitoring them and picking things up and

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moving them to where they belonged.

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But at the end of the day we had 10 or

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12 boxes of recyclable materials,

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aluminum cans and

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plastic bottles and cardboard boxes from, you

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00:16:32,764 --> 00:16:35,030
know, when people bring in six-packs of

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beer and things like that. And then

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also a bunch of

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plastic bags that I ended up taking to Meyer

463
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. So, um, yes. So, you know, it

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might work, but someone has to

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do it, you know? Do

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you want to? Oh, go ahead.

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But I discovered that the boxes were

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easier to handle than those shelves

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with the blue bags. And that way you don't end up

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with blue plastic bags.

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Because you...I had a friend with a

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truck. We loaded all the

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recyclable boxes into his truck. We went to the

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solid waste district. The

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container is there. You can throw away

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the whole box. You don't have...

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Or you put

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the whole box. Yes, because everything is

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recyclable cardboard. So, I

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just threw all 10 in the

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bin and filled it almost

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completely. So yes. And they don't have the

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resources to come and pick

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those things up for you. It will depend on

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whoever is organizing the

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particular event, they will have to coordinate

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volunteers and mobilize someone to

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transport things, say, from

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Washington Park to the

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La Porte County Fairgrounds.

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Oh, I do

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n't see any other way to do it.

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Would it be beneficial to create a single

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pager for the

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Sustainability Commission and share it with the

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groups that organize the events?

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Clear.

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As you know, we're doing a

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pilot test, right? It takes a

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lot of power from a man or woman and a lot of

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effort, and these are the steps to

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follow because I think it could be a

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good way to do it. You ca

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n't be everywhere.

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No, of course not.

506
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Doing that, but maybe it's one of

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those things that people don't even

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understand how to start, so it

509
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might be a good idea to write a

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one-page document with the steps to follow.

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And then, if we could

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somehow recruit volunteers to

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monitor the garbage stations. I'm not

514
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saying you have to be glued to

515
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them all day, but, you know,

516
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wander around and keep an eye out for a

517
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plastic bottle in the trash,

518
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take it out and recycle it. So that's what's

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needed.

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Because, who's handling all the

521
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recycling for Pride? Have you

522
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been doing it too, or Dave,

523
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has Dave been doing it?

524
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We have an eco-friendly team.

525
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Yes, okay. Well, regarding the

526
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Genius volunteering, it will be a

527
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green team and someone will

528
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volunteer.

529
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I like that idea. Even that

530
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feels like a page would be like

531
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recruiting a green team for your

532
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festival, and this could be part of

533
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it and could be supported through

534
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us, like if we needed to do

535
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a tour or training or whatever

536
00:19:21,917 --> 00:19:23,642
, since we've all been involved in

537
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it. I've also done it for

538
00:19:25,717 --> 00:19:27,675
Save the Dunes events. So, I feel that

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understanding. That's fine thanks.

540
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Regarding On the Pride Fest, is it a

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multi-day event?

542
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Just one day.

543
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that's fine. Alright.

544
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Anything else to share?

545
00:19:41,763 --> 00:19:43,527
Would you like to share anything about the

546
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plastics seminar you attended

547
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?

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Um, it was going to take like nine small

549
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pages of notes. So, there are many

550
00:19:53,226 --> 00:19:56,239
web addresses there, many resources.

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Well, I was going to try to compile it into

552
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something coherent and then,

553
00:20:00,849 --> 00:20:03,089
maybe, we could publish it on

554
00:20:03,089 --> 00:20:05,460
our website so people

555
00:20:05,460 --> 00:20:07,370
could go and do their own

556
00:20:07,370 --> 00:20:08,620
research.

557
00:20:08,620 --> 00:20:09,440
Yes.

558
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,911
But at the end of the day, I told Abby

559
00:20:11,911 --> 00:20:14,445
earlier that I attended a

560
00:20:14,445 --> 00:20:17,427
two-day webinar. It was at

561
00:20:17,427 --> 00:20:19,472
New York University. It was part of

562
00:20:19,472 --> 00:20:21,630
Climate Week, which you attended. But it was

563
00:20:21,630 --> 00:20:23,616
about microplastics

564
00:20:23,616 --> 00:20:25,394
and their impacts on

565
00:20:25,394 --> 00:20:29,675
human health. So, there were probably 55

566
00:20:29,675 --> 00:20:32,444
or 55 speakers over the two days, you

567
00:20:32,444 --> 00:20:35,006
know, individual speakers and then there were

568
00:20:35,006 --> 00:20:37,775
roundtables and everyone for two

569
00:20:37,775 --> 00:20:40,267
days talked about nothing but how

570
00:20:40,267 --> 00:20:42,829
we have to eliminate plastic from

571
00:20:42,829 --> 00:20:48,165
our environment and our bodies.

572
00:20:48,165 --> 00:20:50,267
And they had many practical solutions,

573
00:20:50,267 --> 00:20:51,938
such as simply not drinking

574
00:20:51,938 --> 00:20:54,807
plastic bottled water. Do not drink anything

575
00:20:54,807 --> 00:20:57,440
, do not eat anything made of plastic.

576
00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,078
Especially anything hot or

577
00:21:00,078 --> 00:21:02,453
warm or anything that contains

578
00:21:02,453 --> 00:21:05,092
fats or acids, because that breaks down

579
00:21:05,092 --> 00:21:07,401
the plastic, you know, and then it

580
00:21:07,401 --> 00:21:09,974
seeps into the food and then you eat it

581
00:21:09,974 --> 00:21:14,070
. So, that seemed to be the

582
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:16,448
main idea, that people simply

583
00:21:16,448 --> 00:21:18,892
need to be, they don't need to be

584
00:21:18,892 --> 00:21:21,006
educated, they need to be well

585
00:21:21,006 --> 00:21:26,259
informed, and I think it can be

586
00:21:26,259 --> 00:21:28,777
productive for the general public to

587
00:21:28,777 --> 00:21:31,037
know about the dangers; Because right now

588
00:21:31,037 --> 00:21:33,426
, I think everyone takes it for

589
00:21:33,426 --> 00:21:35,686
granted that everything they consume is

590
00:21:35,686 --> 00:21:38,868
safe. And it's like tobacco smoke or

591
00:21:38,868 --> 00:21:41,382
asbestos; those were big problems

592
00:21:41,382 --> 00:21:43,457
that everyone thought weren't a big deal

593
00:21:43,457 --> 00:21:45,845
until, you know,

594
00:21:45,845 --> 00:21:48,360
scientists and doctors started

595
00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:49,840
sounding the alarm.

596
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,339
Mhm.

597
00:21:51,339 --> 00:21:53,240
And then look what's happened now, you

598
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,856
know, smoking is no longer allowed in

599
00:21:54,856 --> 00:21:59,420
public buildings and

600
00:21:59,420 --> 00:22:01,366
well, and plasticizers don't have

601
00:22:01,366 --> 00:22:03,415
to publish what they contain because it's

602
00:22:03,415 --> 00:22:05,362
considered intellectual property, so we

603
00:22:05,362 --> 00:22:07,309
really have no idea what they

604
00:22:07,309 --> 00:22:09,085
contain.

605
00:22:09,085 --> 00:22:10,917
Correct. Does the term "

606
00:22:10,917 --> 00:22:13,271
chemicals forever" mean "

607
00:22:13,271 --> 00:22:14,907
plastics" or are they...?

608
00:22:14,907 --> 00:22:17,239
Yes, because many cans are

609
00:22:17,239 --> 00:22:19,875
lined with these P, P, B, A.

610
00:22:19,875 --> 00:22:20,399
P, quick, yes.

611
00:22:20,399 --> 00:22:24,243
P, yes. So, yes.

612
00:22:24,243 --> 00:22:25,415
You know, the interesting thing is that

613
00:22:25,415 --> 00:22:26,729
medical schools

614
00:22:26,729 --> 00:22:27,902
should probably address this at some

615
00:22:27,902 --> 00:22:29,287
point with their medical students

616
00:22:29,287 --> 00:22:29,747
, you know?

617
00:22:29,747 --> 00:22:30,763
Oh, I'm sure they do.

618
00:22:30,763 --> 00:22:32,319
You know, they should. If I'm going to dedicate 40

619
00:22:32,319 --> 00:22:33,685
hours to nutrition, I think there are 40

620
00:22:33,685 --> 00:22:34,980
medical schools in this country

621
00:22:34,980 --> 00:22:36,171
that can finally dedicate

622
00:22:36,171 --> 00:22:38,236
that much time to nutrition. They are

623
00:22:38,236 --> 00:22:40,754
now doing a lot of research and have

624
00:22:40,754 --> 00:22:43,404
literally found nanoplastics and

625
00:22:43,404 --> 00:22:45,923
microplastics in every organ

626
00:22:45,923 --> 00:22:47,216
of the human body.

627
00:22:47,216 --> 00:22:49,899
Oh my God. They have

628
00:22:49,899 --> 00:22:51,690
even found plastics in newborns and in the

629
00:22:51,690 --> 00:22:54,139
placenta.

630
00:22:54,139 --> 00:22:56,299
So it's going to take a big,

631
00:22:56,299 --> 00:22:58,579
concerted effort and it will take years,

632
00:22:58,579 --> 00:23:00,739
but we have to start

633
00:23:00,739 --> 00:23:03,139
somewhere and I think that simply means educating the

634
00:23:03,139 --> 00:23:06,593
public about it. I think we'll move

635
00:23:06,593 --> 00:23:08,540
the needle a little.

636
00:23:08,540 --> 00:23:11,500
There's a documentary, I think it's on

637
00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:12,867
Netflix, about

638
00:23:12,867 --> 00:23:14,918
the fertility of six couples who had

639
00:23:14,918 --> 00:23:17,271
fertility problems,

640
00:23:17,271 --> 00:23:18,457
and this program is

641
00:23:18,457 --> 00:23:20,053
called Plastic Detox. I

642
00:23:20,053 --> 00:23:21,825
couldn't believe my

643
00:23:21,825 --> 00:23:23,597
jaw dropped at the end when half

644
00:23:23,597 --> 00:23:25,137
of them got pregnant

645
00:23:25,137 --> 00:23:25,951
after...

646
00:23:25,951 --> 00:23:27,437
they stopped using

647
00:23:27,437 --> 00:23:28,696
plastic? Yes. After they stopped

648
00:23:28,696 --> 00:23:29,623
using plastic, right? It's

649
00:23:29,623 --> 00:23:31,262
on Netflix if you want to watch it.

650
00:23:31,262 --> 00:23:33,026
Yes. That's what I just saw. I thought,

651
00:23:33,026 --> 00:23:34,465
"What was that called?" I

652
00:23:34,465 --> 00:23:36,616
told you the same thing. I mean, it blew my mind

653
00:23:36,616 --> 00:23:38,442
.

654
00:23:38,442 --> 00:23:40,308
Obviously, I believed it would have that

655
00:23:40,308 --> 00:23:42,079
impact, but when people feel there is no

656
00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:43,802
solution,

657
00:23:43,802 --> 00:23:45,477
suddenly this solution appears which is

658
00:23:45,477 --> 00:23:48,300
obvious. So

659
00:23:48,300 --> 00:23:50,293
here's one that I

660
00:23:50,293 --> 00:23:53,730
found really interesting. It's a

661
00:23:53,730 --> 00:23:57,384
website called Today, h o i {hyphen}

662
00:23:57,384 --> 00:24:01,870
return.com. And this is a

663
00:24:01,870 --> 00:24:04,976
global effort and it's all over the world, but

664
00:24:04,976 --> 00:24:08,581
especially in Europe, but in the US they have it

665
00:24:08,581 --> 00:24:10,577
in Hawaii, on the Big Island

666
00:24:10,577 --> 00:24:12,900
of Hawaii. And what you do is like

667
00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:15,063
having a group of businesses, say

668
00:24:15,063 --> 00:24:18,436
on a main street. Everyone agrees

669
00:24:18,436 --> 00:24:23,103
to serve their food and drinks

670
00:24:23,103 --> 00:24:24,963
only using containers

671
00:24:24,963 --> 00:24:28,353
made of stainless steel. For example

672
00:24:28,353 --> 00:24:30,959
, if you go to a coffee shop, they would give you

673
00:24:30,959 --> 00:24:33,566
a stainless steel cup, and then,

674
00:24:33,566 --> 00:24:36,241
at certain points in the city, there will be

675
00:24:36,241 --> 00:24:38,299
mailboxes where you will return that

676
00:24:38,299 --> 00:24:40,562
stainless steel container, and

677
00:24:40,562 --> 00:24:42,894
someone will come to collect them,

678
00:24:42,894 --> 00:24:45,432
disinfect them, and return them to the

679
00:24:45,432 --> 00:24:49,398
different shops and businesses. So it's

680
00:24:49,398 --> 00:24:52,166
like a closed loop of not

681
00:24:52,166 --> 00:24:55,007
using plastic and using reusable stainless steel

682
00:24:55,007 --> 00:24:56,054
.

683
00:24:56,054 --> 00:24:56,872
And this is great.

684
00:24:56,872 --> 00:25:00,341
So I thought it was fascinating. And

685
00:25:00,341 --> 00:25:02,494
there's a nice little video, if

686
00:25:02,494 --> 00:25:04,831
you look on the website hoi-return.com,

687
00:25:04,831 --> 00:25:07,229
there's a nice little video of these

688
00:25:07,229 --> 00:25:10,556
Hawaiian people on the Big Island. The

689
00:25:10,556 --> 00:25:12,972
guy walks into the store and says, "Give me

690
00:25:12,972 --> 00:25:15,514
this, you know, one of these

691
00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:17,739
lattes or whatever, in a

692
00:25:17,739 --> 00:25:20,507
coffee cup," and shows you what it looks like. It's a

693
00:25:20,507 --> 00:25:24,936
great idea. It is probably very

694
00:25:24,936 --> 00:25:27,900
difficult to scale up nationally,

695
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:30,553
but in individual towns, which

696
00:25:30,553 --> 00:25:33,205
seems to be where it happens most often,

697
00:25:33,205 --> 00:25:36,325
small towns can do it, where it

698
00:25:36,325 --> 00:25:40,536
is manageable. And as I said, when

699
00:25:40,536 --> 00:25:43,128
you look, there's an interactive map that

700
00:25:43,128 --> 00:25:45,941
shows that the vast majority of these

701
00:25:45,941 --> 00:25:48,384
are in Europe. You know, they do it a lot in all

702
00:25:48,384 --> 00:25:50,192
these small towns and cities in

703
00:25:50,192 --> 00:25:53,303
Europe. So it's not

704
00:25:53,303 --> 00:25:57,173
something new. It's tried, it works, and it's been

705
00:25:57,173 --> 00:26:00,635
proven. So

706
00:26:00,635 --> 00:26:01,893
you can check it out. That

707
00:26:01,893 --> 00:26:02,230
's

708
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:02,567
great.

709
00:26:02,567 --> 00:26:06,041
Yes, great. Yes. Well, anyway

710
00:26:06,041 --> 00:26:08,263
, I'll make a list with all this

711
00:26:08,263 --> 00:26:11,120
information I've learned and we'll

712
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:12,259
publish it as well.

713
00:26:12,259 --> 00:26:15,066
That would be great. Okay, Indiana is

714
00:26:15,066 --> 00:26:18,600
carbon neutral. This is on hold.

715
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,448
Hopefully,

716
00:26:20,448 --> 00:26:23,599
student articles will resume soon. Point G

717
00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:25,278
, National Wildlife Federation

718
00:26:25,278 --> 00:26:27,004
. There has been a new

719
00:26:27,004 --> 00:26:33,376
registration this month.

720
00:26:33,376 --> 00:26:37,720
We currently have 60 certified habitats.

721
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,329
We have all of our

722
00:26:39,329 --> 00:26:41,474
educational points, 40 of our 50

723
00:26:41,474 --> 00:26:43,566
community outreach points, and all of our

724
00:26:43,566 --> 00:26:47,368
administrative points. So we're on the

725
00:26:47,368 --> 00:26:52,423
right track. Adele, have you ever

726
00:26:52,423 --> 00:26:54,593
been to Farm and Forge? Would you like to

727
00:26:54,593 --> 00:26:55,676
tell us about it?

728
00:26:55,676 --> 00:26:57,403
Of course, Claire. Well, it was a

729
00:26:57,403 --> 00:26:59,529
significant moment. We interacted

730
00:26:59,529 --> 00:27:02,433
with about five or six serious people.

731
00:27:02,433 --> 00:27:03,411
I think it's likely that a couple

732
00:27:03,411 --> 00:27:04,606
will get certified. And it's

733
00:27:04,606 --> 00:27:06,433
really interesting because this

734
00:27:06,433 --> 00:27:08,313
gentleman from Oregon had just

735
00:27:08,313 --> 00:27:10,301
moved here not too long ago and he said, "

736
00:27:10,301 --> 00:27:12,342
What's with all this nonsense about everyone not having

737
00:27:12,342 --> 00:27:14,437
front yard gardens

738
00:27:14,437 --> 00:27:16,048
? You know, everyone has

739
00:27:16,048 --> 00:27:17,444
lawns, you know? And the biggest thing

740
00:27:17,444 --> 00:27:18,968
is the reduction of lawns." Well,

741
00:27:18,968 --> 00:27:20,916
Leslie Chance knows a lot of things.

742
00:27:20,916 --> 00:27:23,923
I learned a lot from her. Anyway, this

743
00:27:23,923 --> 00:27:27,060
person from Oregon is very different.

744
00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:28,842
Everyone has their lawn well

745
00:27:28,842 --> 00:27:30,673
cared for and then we fertilize and

746
00:27:30,673 --> 00:27:32,505
mow it, and none of that is really

747
00:27:32,505 --> 00:27:34,089
habitat-friendly and

748
00:27:34,089 --> 00:27:36,645
most of it isn't. It's like

749
00:27:36,645 --> 00:27:41,072
worthless vegetation. You can see it well. Yes. And then they were

750
00:27:41,072 --> 00:27:43,089
n't really expecting us, but in the

751
00:27:43,089 --> 00:27:45,106
future, if I happen to be there next year

752
00:27:45,106 --> 00:27:47,123
, there's a way to register at

753
00:27:47,123 --> 00:27:49,436
Farm and Forge. They are very organized and we

754
00:27:49,436 --> 00:27:53,059
simply go to the site and

755
00:27:53,059 --> 00:27:55,031
ask for a date and then they have a

756
00:27:55,031 --> 00:27:56,951
space for our table ready for

757
00:27:56,951 --> 00:27:58,736
us. Yes, that's how he said they

758
00:27:58,736 --> 00:28:00,216
work. They are quite organized.

759
00:28:00,216 --> 00:28:01,461
Just contact the lady I

760
00:28:01,461 --> 00:28:03,710
met. She's really good. And

761
00:28:03,710 --> 00:28:06,625
then we gave away those

762
00:28:06,625 --> 00:28:08,494
milkweed seeds. Yes. Which, you know,

763
00:28:08,494 --> 00:28:10,160
as Leslie, the lady, was saying, but they

764
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,511
might not be very viable

765
00:28:11,511 --> 00:28:13,132
depending on how old they are, and

766
00:28:13,132 --> 00:28:14,798
I suppose they could even go

767
00:28:14,798 --> 00:28:16,684
stale. So we were pretty

768
00:28:16,684 --> 00:28:18,821
liberal with them and I planted some

769
00:28:18,821 --> 00:28:22,241
in the house. I tried to see what was happening.

770
00:28:22,241 --> 00:28:24,701
A small harvest. So it was

771
00:28:24,701 --> 00:28:26,460
good. Significant. I would do it

772
00:28:26,460 --> 00:28:28,420
next year. I think it's worth going.

773
00:28:28,420 --> 00:28:30,453
I think Nancy came up and, you know, I think it's

774
00:28:30,453 --> 00:28:32,218
something I would definitely mind bringing up

775
00:28:32,218 --> 00:28:34,251
at least

776
00:28:34,251 --> 00:28:36,338
once a summer, twice a summer

777
00:28:36,338 --> 00:28:39,531
or something like that. Brilliant.

778
00:28:39,531 --> 00:28:40,667
And then, a gentleman, this is

779
00:28:40,667 --> 00:28:42,097
really, you know, another gentleman came up

780
00:28:42,097 --> 00:28:43,491
and said that, you know, I suppose he

781
00:28:43,491 --> 00:28:44,737
lost many trees on his

782
00:28:44,737 --> 00:28:46,094
estate due to storms and

783
00:28:46,094 --> 00:28:47,561
that he wanted to plant native plants

784
00:28:47,561 --> 00:28:49,419
on his estate. So I said to him, "

785
00:28:49,419 --> 00:28:51,160
Okay, I'll get in touch with you." I

786
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,672
called him a couple of days ago, a

787
00:28:52,672 --> 00:28:55,357
couple of weeks ago. Yes, people

788
00:28:55,357 --> 00:28:57,786
are interested, you know? And I thought he

789
00:28:57,786 --> 00:28:59,640
was quite perceptive. And he, he, he

790
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,839
, he, you know, some of these

791
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:02,145
people know a lot, you know, and they're getting

792
00:29:02,145 --> 00:29:03,415
closer to see how much...

793
00:29:03,415 --> 00:29:05,564
Thank God Leslie was there.

794
00:29:05,564 --> 00:29:06,874
Yes I know. I feel that

795
00:29:06,874 --> 00:29:08,296
yes, she could collaborate with them,

796
00:29:08,296 --> 00:29:08,542
yes.

797
00:29:08,542 --> 00:29:10,921
Great. Looking

798
00:29:10,921 --> 00:29:12,446
ahead, for next year,

799
00:29:12,446 --> 00:29:13,895
I have submitted a proposal to Save

800
00:29:13,895 --> 00:29:15,230
the Dunes because I am

801
00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:17,274
there too. That's great, but if we opt for

802
00:29:17,274 --> 00:29:19,044
the sustainability commission,

803
00:29:19,044 --> 00:29:21,036
especially for the gardens, I'll

804
00:29:21,036 --> 00:29:23,250
bring you the Living in the Dunes guide from

805
00:29:23,250 --> 00:29:25,107
Save the Dunes. It is the guide to

806
00:29:25,107 --> 00:29:26,808
native pollinator gardens. That's what I used to

807
00:29:26,808 --> 00:29:28,393
plant at Save the Dunes and

808
00:29:28,393 --> 00:29:30,966
then we got certified. So it's

809
00:29:30,966 --> 00:29:33,905
good preparation if you're just

810
00:29:33,905 --> 00:29:35,292
starting out.

811
00:29:35,292 --> 00:29:36,591
Yes of course.

812
00:29:36,591 --> 00:29:38,333
And we'll keep a stack of those somewhere

813
00:29:38,333 --> 00:29:38,478
.

814
00:29:38,478 --> 00:29:40,048
And the little sign was...

815
00:29:40,048 --> 00:29:41,411
somehow, someone made a little

816
00:29:41,411 --> 00:29:42,857
sign, so we put it on the

817
00:29:42,857 --> 00:29:44,510
tablecloth, you know, it said

818
00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:46,163
Michigan City Sustainability, since...yeah, since it

819
00:29:46,163 --> 00:29:47,956
wasn't on this other side, I don't know. But

820
00:29:47,956 --> 00:29:49,412
Tristan has been very busy with his

821
00:29:49,412 --> 00:29:50,755
new job and everything. I think

822
00:29:50,755 --> 00:29:52,415
some of those things

823
00:29:52,415 --> 00:29:54,168
were probably in the motion, so Nancy

824
00:29:54,168 --> 00:29:55,690
somehow got this

825
00:29:55,690 --> 00:29:56,880
sign.

826
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:03,302
Good. That's good to know. Okay. Soul

827
00:30:03,302 --> 00:30:11,561
Power. Point H. Let's see. Nancy will

828
00:30:11,561 --> 00:30:13,062
follow up with Kyla Ward, who is

829
00:30:13,062 --> 00:30:14,783
positive about the possibility of paying

830
00:30:14,783 --> 00:30:16,417
tuition for

831
00:30:16,417 --> 00:30:18,094
Michigan City residents who want to enroll

832
00:30:18,094 --> 00:30:19,551
in Soul Power courses to

833
00:30:19,551 --> 00:30:22,301
receive certification. The

834
00:30:22,301 --> 00:30:25,720
talks will continue in the fall. There

835
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,948
are no updates from the NAACP, as they are

836
00:30:27,948 --> 00:30:29,953
heading to the Indiana State Convention

837
00:30:29,953 --> 00:30:35,141
. Solar United Neighbors Point I.

838
00:30:35,141 --> 00:30:38,348
The next

839
00:30:38,348 --> 00:30:40,734
coordinated activities include a workshop at the

840
00:30:40,734 --> 00:30:43,119
City Hall and a proclamation

841
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:46,460
by Councillor Nancy Moldenhauer.

842
00:30:46,460 --> 00:30:49,327
See the announcement for the...I'm just going to

843
00:30:49,327 --> 00:30:54,571
announce the date of that. Oh,

844
00:30:54,571 --> 00:30:57,579
Solar Smart Do Your Part workshop on

845
00:30:57,579 --> 00:31:01,141
October 21st, from 5:30 to 7:00 p.m. m. here in

846
00:31:01,141 --> 00:31:03,458
the City Hall, in this same room, the

847
00:31:03,458 --> 00:31:05,521
EOC room. Are you

848
00:31:05,521 --> 00:31:11,314
announcing it now? Or is it already here? It's here. It's in the

849
00:31:11,314 --> 00:31:12,748
ads at the bottom.

850
00:31:12,748 --> 00:31:13,681
Oh, in the background.

851
00:31:13,681 --> 00:31:14,566
In the...Yes.

852
00:31:14,566 --> 00:31:15,062
Okay.

853
00:31:15,062 --> 00:31:18,372
Yes. And along those same lines, Aaron

854
00:31:18,372 --> 00:31:20,566
Sharpensteen, the new coordinator of

855
00:31:20,566 --> 00:31:22,705
NWI's cooperative project, gave a

856
00:31:22,705 --> 00:31:24,956
presentation at Worth of Indiana Green

857
00:31:24,956 --> 00:31:26,869
Drinks last week and was very

858
00:31:26,869 --> 00:31:28,839
informative about the

859
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:31,034
cooperative's return to Michigan City,

860
00:31:31,034 --> 00:31:33,229
walking us through the process. It's now

861
00:31:33,229 --> 00:31:34,728
on our YouTube page.

862
00:31:34,728 --> 00:31:36,807
Oh, great. So you have a

863
00:31:36,807 --> 00:31:38,646
preview of what I'm sure

864
00:31:38,646 --> 00:31:40,700
the in-person presentation will cover.

865
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:42,297
You can see it. Did

866
00:31:42,297 --> 00:31:44,393
many people see it? I mean, was it

867
00:31:44,393 --> 00:31:45,635
noticeable or did they have...?

868
00:31:45,635 --> 00:31:47,985
Well, in our Zoom meeting,

869
00:31:47,985 --> 00:31:50,888
we had 25 people and lots of questions. That's why I

870
00:31:50,888 --> 00:31:52,767
always feel it's a good

871
00:31:52,767 --> 00:31:54,698
representation of commitment if

872
00:31:54,698 --> 00:31:56,577
people ask how, why, and

873
00:31:56,577 --> 00:31:59,214
what it will affect. Many people

874
00:31:59,214 --> 00:32:01,195
ask about

875
00:32:01,195 --> 00:32:03,624
property taxes and whether they can be applied to the

876
00:32:03,624 --> 00:32:07,660
ground instead of the roof. Things like that.

877
00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:09,179
Nancy also shared a great

878
00:32:09,179 --> 00:32:10,922
testimony in which she explains what

879
00:32:10,922 --> 00:32:12,531
her personal experience was like when she

880
00:32:12,531 --> 00:32:16,479
participated during the first round.

881
00:32:16,479 --> 00:32:17,460
Brilliant.

882
00:32:17,460 --> 00:32:19,537
And it's also on our Facebook page,

883
00:32:19,537 --> 00:32:21,425
Save the Dunes. We had a couple

884
00:32:21,425 --> 00:32:23,527
hundred visits after the event,

885
00:32:23,527 --> 00:32:25,240
so. Brilliant.

886
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,257
And joining that cooperative is

887
00:32:28,257 --> 00:32:30,255
free, so even if you're

888
00:32:30,255 --> 00:32:32,043
unsure or interested in learning more

889
00:32:32,043 --> 00:32:33,936
, I think it's worth

890
00:32:33,936 --> 00:32:35,881
getting involved and meeting someone who

891
00:32:35,881 --> 00:32:37,721
might be really ready to

892
00:32:37,721 --> 00:32:40,501
do it and seeing it through the whole process.

893
00:32:40,501 --> 00:32:42,316
Because I thought some people in

894
00:32:42,316 --> 00:32:47,607
the video weren't worried about the

895
00:32:47,607 --> 00:32:50,200
cost, I think, but if you see it, I think it's

896
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:56,179
something feasible.

897
00:32:56,179 --> 00:32:58,103
Okay,

898
00:32:58,103 --> 00:33:00,254
Northwest Indiana Regional Planning Commission, no

899
00:33:00,254 --> 00:33:03,834
news. Indiana's Clean Community Program

900
00:33:03,834 --> 00:33:06,281
, Mayor Angie and Gianna

901
00:33:06,281 --> 00:33:08,667
Galante will attend the annual meeting

902
00:33:08,667 --> 00:33:12,099
on Wednesday, October 14.

903
00:33:12,099 --> 00:33:14,678
We will request that Gianna present a

904
00:33:14,678 --> 00:33:17,327
report at the November meeting or

905
00:33:17,327 --> 00:33:23,212
possibly in December. Continuing

906
00:33:23,212 --> 00:33:25,280
with the Soul Smart Silver designation

907
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,020
with partner Indiana University

908
00:33:27,020 --> 00:33:31,185
Resilience Cohort. Currently

909
00:33:31,185 --> 00:33:34,488
updating the

910
00:33:34,488 --> 00:33:37,705
solar homepage on the MC government website

911
00:33:37,705 --> 00:33:52,545
. Yes. Well, let's see. Well, that's

912
00:33:52,545 --> 00:33:58,096
all. Northwest Indiana Clean Air Partners

913
00:33:58,096 --> 00:34:01,120
.

914
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,636
Yes, the next meetings have already passed

915
00:34:03,636 --> 00:34:07,077
, but I missed that one.

916
00:34:07,077 --> 00:34:10,253
Secondly, every other Friday. So, the

917
00:34:10,253 --> 00:34:14,621
next one will be tomorrow. Is it tomorrow or

918
00:34:14,621 --> 00:34:14,810
is it

919
00:34:14,810 --> 00:34:15,888
tomorrow? Oh, yes.

920
00:34:15,888 --> 00:34:21,057
Yes. I'll join on Zoom or your

921
00:34:21,057 --> 00:34:25,800
Google Meets.

922
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,041
And then I guess N, if you want to

923
00:34:28,041 --> 00:34:30,613
continue with N, I caught you being green

924
00:34:30,613 --> 00:34:31,574
.

925
00:34:31,574 --> 00:34:33,757
Yes, I tried to get in touch with

926
00:34:33,757 --> 00:34:35,998
Tom Donegan, whom we nominated for the

927
00:34:35,998 --> 00:34:38,239
Nora Schultz Sustainability Award

928
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,480
, but I only had his postal address

929
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,722
, so I went old school

930
00:34:42,722 --> 00:34:44,905
and wrote a short note, but I haven't had a

931
00:34:44,905 --> 00:34:48,067
reply. I gave him my

932
00:34:48,067 --> 00:34:50,262
phone number, email address

933
00:34:50,262 --> 00:34:52,399
and a postal address

934
00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:53,901
in case we were going to

935
00:34:53,901 --> 00:34:55,923
correspond, but I haven't heard back

936
00:34:55,923 --> 00:34:57,886
, so we'd like to

937
00:34:57,886 --> 00:35:00,197
present him with the award at

938
00:35:00,197 --> 00:35:04,223
next month's meeting. Andy has already

939
00:35:04,223 --> 00:35:07,059
contacted Nora Schultz's family

940
00:35:07,059 --> 00:35:09,753
to arrange for them to be there, so

941
00:35:09,753 --> 00:35:12,235
I hope we can get in

942
00:35:12,235 --> 00:35:14,787
touch with him as soon as possible and

943
00:35:14,787 --> 00:35:18,589
let him know he has been awarded the prize. You

944
00:35:18,589 --> 00:35:20,324
may have to cross the

945
00:35:20,324 --> 00:35:22,044
train station and knock on their door. After

946
00:35:22,044 --> 00:35:23,452
writing it, I realized I

947
00:35:23,452 --> 00:35:25,020
could see her house from my apartment

948
00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:26,202
, so I'm not

949
00:35:26,202 --> 00:35:27,647
resorting to the old-fashioned way.

950
00:35:27,647 --> 00:35:33,368
Yes, yes. Knock, knock, knock. Hello,

951
00:35:33,368 --> 00:35:34,709
someone has been leaving notes in your

952
00:35:34,709 --> 00:35:35,057
mailbox.

953
00:35:35,057 --> 00:35:37,906
Yes. Well, we'll get in touch

954
00:35:37,906 --> 00:35:39,709
with him and we'll do it at

955
00:35:39,709 --> 00:35:40,512
next month's meeting.

956
00:35:40,512 --> 00:35:43,380
Brilliant. Yes, great.

957
00:35:43,380 --> 00:35:46,061
Okay, let's move on to the discussion and

958
00:35:46,061 --> 00:35:50,755
voting. I propose adding a new

959
00:35:50,755 --> 00:35:53,417
project for evaluation called the

960
00:35:53,417 --> 00:35:58,332
direct air capture pilot. I

961
00:35:58,332 --> 00:36:00,118
met with a

962
00:36:00,118 --> 00:36:02,422
project developer who is looking for a community where he can

963
00:36:02,422 --> 00:36:04,554
test the installation of a

964
00:36:04,554 --> 00:36:06,800
direct air capture system without

965
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,528
energy. It would be installed in one of the

966
00:36:09,528 --> 00:36:11,879
buildings in our city. What it

967
00:36:11,879 --> 00:36:15,079
does is extract carbon dioxide from the

968
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:19,062
air. It also takes

969
00:36:19,062 --> 00:36:23,636
carbon dioxide and turns it into cement. And it

970
00:36:23,636 --> 00:36:26,679
also captures methane, ozone, and

971
00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:30,895
heavy particles. And the

972
00:36:30,895 --> 00:36:33,510
heavy particles that are extracted are used for

973
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:37,962
the creation of asphalt. Thus, it has been

974
00:36:37,962 --> 00:36:40,312
shown that it will reduce

975
00:36:40,312 --> 00:36:42,793
electricity consumption and also the maintenance

976
00:36:42,793 --> 00:36:47,299
of our air conditioning systems.

977
00:36:47,299 --> 00:36:49,410
Therefore, I would like to propose that

978
00:36:49,410 --> 00:36:51,259
we add this as a project.

979
00:36:51,259 --> 00:36:53,184
They were willing to do it at no cost

980
00:36:53,184 --> 00:36:54,880
to the community.

981
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,140
Oh.

982
00:36:56,140 --> 00:36:59,221
Yes, well, they just want to do it

983
00:36:59,221 --> 00:37:02,729
. Now, the other benefit that I didn't

984
00:37:02,729 --> 00:37:04,958
mention here, besides capturing,

985
00:37:04,958 --> 00:37:07,010
I mean, looking at the quality of

986
00:37:07,010 --> 00:37:09,297
our air pollution and all

987
00:37:09,297 --> 00:37:11,467
that, is that there is the possibility of

988
00:37:11,467 --> 00:37:13,520
selling carbon offsets from

989
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,010
this. So, for everything

990
00:37:16,010 --> 00:37:17,860
the city captures, we can sell

991
00:37:17,860 --> 00:37:19,710
credits on the voluntary

992
00:37:19,710 --> 00:37:23,886
carbon market. That's what something in

993
00:37:23,886 --> 00:37:27,154
the future would be like. It could be... Well, the

994
00:37:27,154 --> 00:37:29,159
city could put them into operation,

995
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:31,050
generating an additional source of

996
00:37:31,050 --> 00:37:33,113
revenue, but that part has not yet

997
00:37:33,113 --> 00:37:35,176
been validated by a

998
00:37:35,176 --> 00:37:37,902
carbon credit verifier. So it's a

999
00:37:37,902 --> 00:37:41,122
possibility. So, if we wanted to

1000
00:37:41,122 --> 00:37:42,818
add it as a project, my

1001
00:37:42,818 --> 00:37:44,897
next step would be to meet with

1002
00:37:44,897 --> 00:37:47,030
Mayor Angie, talk to her about

1003
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:49,164
this, and then we'd want to meet with

1004
00:37:49,164 --> 00:37:51,188
... well, I'd bring the

1005
00:37:51,188 --> 00:37:53,212
project developer in to meet with

1006
00:37:53,212 --> 00:37:56,576
... what would you call him? Whoever

1007
00:37:56,576 --> 00:37:58,072
manages all our buildings to

1008
00:37:58,072 --> 00:37:59,414
figure out which one would be the

1009
00:37:59,414 --> 00:38:00,775
right building. Because Nancy said, "

1010
00:38:00,775 --> 00:38:02,994
Let's put it in City Hall." I think they're

1011
00:38:02,994 --> 00:38:04,915
looking for something a little higher up,

1012
00:38:04,915 --> 00:38:07,110
perhaps, so maybe the courthouse or,

1013
00:38:07,110 --> 00:38:09,141
well, some place that's

1014
00:38:09,141 --> 00:38:11,420
within this area.

1015
00:38:11,420 --> 00:38:12,983
Yes, I don't think the city has that

1016
00:38:12,983 --> 00:38:14,615
type of person. Do

1017
00:38:14,615 --> 00:38:15,720
n't we have a

1018
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:17,022
facilities manager?

1019
00:38:17,022 --> 00:38:18,461
Not that I know of. Did you?

1020
00:38:18,461 --> 00:38:19,839
We have maintenance,

1021
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:20,238
central maintenance.

1022
00:38:20,238 --> 00:38:22,372
Yes, central maintenance. Yes, okay.

1023
00:38:22,372 --> 00:38:23,684
Central maintenance would work

1024
00:38:23,684 --> 00:38:28,545
because they would know where, I don't know.

1025
00:38:28,545 --> 00:38:30,440
all those terms, but

1026
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,384
whatever the damage or megawatts or

1027
00:38:32,384 --> 00:38:34,327
whatever these things consume, these

1028
00:38:34,327 --> 00:38:36,270
guys will say that these are the kinds of

1029
00:38:36,270 --> 00:38:38,720
details they're looking for.

1030
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:40,639
This is great.

1031
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:41,730
I believe that too.

1032
00:38:41,730 --> 00:38:43,149
Mhm. I'd never heard of this.

1033
00:38:43,149 --> 00:38:44,698
It's completely new. It has never been

1034
00:38:44,698 --> 00:38:47,714
done. They've been testing it for two years and

1035
00:38:47,714 --> 00:38:51,640
are ready to launch it on the market.

1036
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,145
And they've been talking to...The way

1037
00:38:53,145 --> 00:38:54,576
I started talking to them is that they've been

1038
00:38:54,576 --> 00:38:55,894
talking to

1039
00:38:55,894 --> 00:38:58,857
data centers. So I made the joke. It

1040
00:38:58,857 --> 00:39:00,167
wasn't really a joke. He said, "Well

1041
00:39:00,167 --> 00:39:01,585
, we're talking to Microsoft." And I

1042
00:39:01,585 --> 00:39:02,980
said to him, "And he said to me, 'Let's get

1043
00:39:02,980 --> 00:39:04,881
ready to install them'." And I

1044
00:39:04,881 --> 00:39:06,252
told him, "Well, install them in Michigan

1045
00:39:06,252 --> 00:39:08,394
City, Indiana." We have a

1046
00:39:08,394 --> 00:39:11,575
Microsoft data center here. Well, there's

1047
00:39:11,575 --> 00:39:14,700
one from Microsoft. Is Google the only one here?

1048
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:15,520
Google.

1049
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,260
Okay. But I told him, "Well, you can

1050
00:39:19,260 --> 00:39:20,961
push for him to be here." And he

1051
00:39:20,961 --> 00:39:22,507
said to me, "Let me speak to my

1052
00:39:22,507 --> 00:39:24,188
founder." And then the founder and I

1053
00:39:24,188 --> 00:39:25,674
talked on the phone. He told me, "I

1054
00:39:25,674 --> 00:39:27,462
really want to create a community

1055
00:39:27,462 --> 00:39:29,154
because there are many community benefits here

1056
00:39:29,154 --> 00:39:31,358
." And he told me, "We would be

1057
00:39:31,358 --> 00:39:33,920
willing to do it at no cost."

1058
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,400
That was music to my ears.

1059
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,027
Brilliant. However, it is a technology

1060
00:39:40,027 --> 00:39:42,035
that exists. It has been used in other

1061
00:39:42,035 --> 00:39:44,615
parts of the world. As in Iceland, where they have been

1062
00:39:44,615 --> 00:39:46,024
doing it.

1063
00:39:46,024 --> 00:39:47,927
This is different. These

1064
00:39:47,927 --> 00:39:49,659
direct air captures inject

1065
00:39:49,659 --> 00:39:50,196
carbon

1066
00:39:50,196 --> 00:39:52,187
into the soil. These guys are

1067
00:39:52,187 --> 00:39:52,912
collecting it.

1068
00:39:52,912 --> 00:39:54,519
And using it.

1069
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:57,380
Okay. Yes.

1070
00:39:57,380 --> 00:39:59,945
Well, the benefits are the same,

1071
00:39:59,945 --> 00:40:02,106
but they can scale it because the

1072
00:40:02,106 --> 00:40:04,604
gentleman who created this technology

1073
00:40:04,604 --> 00:40:07,170
has years of experience in industrial engineering

1074
00:40:07,170 --> 00:40:09,466
for air conditioning systems and

1075
00:40:09,466 --> 00:40:11,829
built the technology so that

1076
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:15,156
they could capture it. They will have a

1077
00:40:15,156 --> 00:40:17,179
containment system that will be

1078
00:40:17,179 --> 00:40:19,742
built nearby that will absorb and

1079
00:40:19,742 --> 00:40:23,476
separate the materials.

1080
00:40:23,476 --> 00:40:25,460
What's the company's name? Or can you

1081
00:40:25,460 --> 00:40:26,449
tell us that?

1082
00:40:26,449 --> 00:40:27,429
Yes.

1083
00:40:27,429 --> 00:40:33,639
What's there? Wait. I brought my notes.

1084
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:35,717
Well, uh, well, they have

1085
00:40:35,717 --> 00:40:37,535
Ameritech and

1086
00:40:37,535 --> 00:40:40,310
Gmail email addresses here. It's called...the people who

1087
00:40:40,310 --> 00:40:42,690
introduced me to it call it, and it's a

1088
00:40:42,690 --> 00:40:44,507
very strange name, World Trade Center

1089
00:40:44,507 --> 00:40:46,048
Orlando.org. So at first,

1090
00:40:46,048 --> 00:40:47,180
when they contacted me, I

1091
00:40:47,180 --> 00:40:48,285
asked them, "Are you from the World Trade

1092
00:40:48,285 --> 00:40:50,050
Center?" "How can I help you?"

1093
00:40:50,050 --> 00:40:52,304
But he's actually working with

1094
00:40:52,304 --> 00:40:55,899
this company. But I can send you the

1095
00:40:55,899 --> 00:40:57,560
website because I have it.

1096
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:05,690
Okay. Yes, it would be great to see what they've

1097
00:41:05,690 --> 00:41:08,206
done. Where did they do this? What does it

1098
00:41:08,206 --> 00:41:11,826
look like? Show us something, you

1099
00:41:11,826 --> 00:41:14,805
know, material that I think will help

1100
00:41:14,805 --> 00:41:17,652
sell it to someone else too. As if you

1101
00:41:17,652 --> 00:41:19,678
were going to put something on the roof of the

1102
00:41:19,678 --> 00:41:21,199
town hall or wherever.

1103
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:22,087
Mhm.

1104
00:41:22,087 --> 00:41:23,396
What would it look like?

1105
00:41:23,396 --> 00:41:25,914
Yes. They could put it on the ground, but

1106
00:41:25,914 --> 00:41:27,828
they said that to really get it, you

1107
00:41:27,828 --> 00:41:29,647
know, especially where we are

1108
00:41:29,647 --> 00:41:31,321
because of the winds, he said

1109
00:41:31,321 --> 00:41:33,235
we'd prefer to have it up high because that way

1110
00:41:33,235 --> 00:41:34,780
we could get more.

1111
00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:36,780
Yes, yes.

1112
00:41:36,780 --> 00:41:38,996
And I thought, God, Beverly, you talked about the

1113
00:41:38,996 --> 00:41:41,212
air quality study that was

1114
00:41:41,212 --> 00:41:43,311
done on the west side of the

1115
00:41:43,311 --> 00:41:45,527
city and I thought, God, if we had

1116
00:41:45,527 --> 00:41:47,801
something like that here, it would be a double benefit

1117
00:41:47,801 --> 00:41:48,320
.

1118
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,544
Yes. Maybe at the top of that

1119
00:41:51,544 --> 00:41:53,095
giant cooling tower. I already

1120
00:41:53,095 --> 00:41:58,091
said it. They say they have things, but yes. It

1121
00:41:58,091 --> 00:42:00,547
will require a lot of

1122
00:42:00,547 --> 00:42:02,961
business cooperation from many people.

1123
00:42:02,961 --> 00:42:04,400
Yes.

1124
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,650
I think the investment would be

1125
00:42:05,650 --> 00:42:07,316
substantially greater than what they would make

1126
00:42:07,316 --> 00:42:08,650
if we built a building for

1127
00:42:08,650 --> 00:42:11,839
ourselves as well. That's how it is.

1128
00:42:11,839 --> 00:42:13,824
I think it's interesting because that

1129
00:42:13,824 --> 00:42:15,639
seminar this summer that was

1130
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:17,852
held in that park in Valpo that I can't

1131
00:42:17,852 --> 00:42:20,064
remember, Somerset, or the gentleman who

1132
00:42:20,064 --> 00:42:22,220
spoke there, said that these systems will

1133
00:42:22,220 --> 00:42:24,148
become more economically

1134
00:42:24,148 --> 00:42:26,361
viable than he meant in the

1135
00:42:26,361 --> 00:42:30,309
near future. And that CO2 is likely to

1136
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:32,061
increase until this year, and

1137
00:42:32,061 --> 00:42:33,766
that at this point it would become more

1138
00:42:33,766 --> 00:42:35,610
... So this is ultimately like an

1139
00:42:35,610 --> 00:42:39,633
evolution of all this, right? More

1140
00:42:39,633 --> 00:42:40,400
efficient.

1141
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,260
Correct.

1142
00:42:41,260 --> 00:42:42,400
Economical, yes.

1143
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,418
You start small, you solve it, and

1144
00:42:44,418 --> 00:42:45,704
then you expand it.

1145
00:42:45,704 --> 00:42:47,703
Yes.

1146
00:42:47,703 --> 00:42:50,340
Okay.

1147
00:42:50,340 --> 00:42:52,255
Thank you for doing that, Abby. That's a

1148
00:42:52,255 --> 00:42:53,426
great connection.

1149
00:42:53,426 --> 00:42:56,043
Can we...? Can I propose that

1150
00:42:56,043 --> 00:43:00,035
we add this as a project? Uh,

1151
00:43:00,035 --> 00:43:04,080
our new project, Project O.

1152
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:09,152
What? Ah, I see.

1153
00:43:09,152 --> 00:43:10,054
After N.

1154
00:43:10,054 --> 00:43:10,819
Yes.

1155
00:43:10,819 --> 00:43:14,060
Okay. Project O.

1156
00:43:14,060 --> 00:43:18,440
Can I have a second? I support that.

1157
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,510
Okay. Everyone in favor, say I.

1158
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:24,751
Anyone against it? OK. Approved

1159
00:43:24,751 --> 00:43:26,971
unanimously. So I'll try to

1160
00:43:26,971 --> 00:43:28,997
put it on the manager's agenda as soon as

1161
00:43:28,997 --> 00:43:31,482
possible. So I'll have you

1162
00:43:31,482 --> 00:43:33,181
call it? The

1163
00:43:33,181 --> 00:43:34,512
direct air capture pilot project?

1164
00:43:34,512 --> 00:43:36,422
Yes, I think so. Unless you want to

1165
00:43:36,422 --> 00:43:38,168
... Do you think we should do something

1166
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:41,929
I like? I think the

1167
00:43:41,929 --> 00:43:43,514
direct air capture pilot project describes very

1168
00:43:43,514 --> 00:43:45,760
well what we are trying to do.

1169
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:51,135
Yes. Okay. Brilliant. Item B for

1170
00:43:51,135 --> 00:43:52,960
voting is that we have received an

1171
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,940
email from the

1172
00:43:54,940 --> 00:43:56,347
National Wildlife Federation

1173
00:43:56,347 --> 00:43:58,276
inviting us to join them in

1174
00:43:58,276 --> 00:44:00,361
supporting clean water and opposing

1175
00:44:00,361 --> 00:44:03,128
the EPA's proposed cuts. It seems like we

1176
00:44:03,128 --> 00:44:04,961
have to fight

1177
00:44:04,961 --> 00:44:08,637
against something like this every month. And the

1178
00:44:08,637 --> 00:44:11,316
complementary proposal continues a

1179
00:44:11,316 --> 00:44:13,192
decades-long effort to weaken the

1180
00:44:13,192 --> 00:44:15,804
protections of the Federal Clean Water Act

1181
00:44:15,804 --> 00:44:21,401
. And what we are asking to be put to a vote is

1182
00:44:21,401 --> 00:44:25,061
that we sign in favor of clean water and

1183
00:44:25,061 --> 00:44:31,259
against the EPA cuts.

1184
00:44:31,259 --> 00:44:33,891
I propose adding our name to this

1185
00:44:33,891 --> 00:44:36,480
effort.

1186
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,259
I second that.

1187
00:44:39,259 --> 00:44:41,405
Yes, I can give some context if

1188
00:44:41,405 --> 00:44:41,960
...

1189
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:42,719
Sure.

1190
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,106
Yes. So what they're doing

1191
00:44:46,106 --> 00:44:48,694
is deregulating what is considered a

1192
00:44:48,694 --> 00:44:51,282
protected waterway and including this

1193
00:44:51,282 --> 00:44:53,598
text that states that every

1194
00:44:53,598 --> 00:44:55,914
waterway protected by the

1195
00:44:55,914 --> 00:44:58,502
federal government must be wetted every 30 days, and

1196
00:44:58,502 --> 00:45:00,817
that's like an absolute mistake by

1197
00:45:00,817 --> 00:45:03,337
definition of what wetlands can be

1198
00:45:03,337 --> 00:45:06,903
. For example, the Rio

1199
00:45:06,903 --> 00:45:08,936
Grande, which is a large body of

1200
00:45:08,936 --> 00:45:10,647
water in the

1201
00:45:10,647 --> 00:45:12,733
Southwest that is drinking water for those

1202
00:45:12,733 --> 00:45:14,872
communities, is notoriously dry for months

1203
00:45:14,872 --> 00:45:18,309
of the year. Exactly what it is. So, that's

1204
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:19,973
water protected by the

1205
00:45:19,973 --> 00:45:21,636
federal government and it would be removed from the list

1206
00:45:21,636 --> 00:45:23,030
just because it doesn't meet those

1207
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:26,727
criteria. And then, any wetland

1208
00:45:26,727 --> 00:45:28,606
that is contiguous to another federally protected area

1209
00:45:28,606 --> 00:45:30,437
, for us

1210
00:45:30,437 --> 00:45:32,081
in Indiana, like wetlands that

1211
00:45:32,081 --> 00:45:33,819
are within the boundaries of Indiana

1212
00:45:33,819 --> 00:45:35,509
Dunes, will continue to be protected,

1213
00:45:35,509 --> 00:45:37,294
but if they cross outside of those

1214
00:45:37,294 --> 00:45:39,125
federally protected boundaries, they are

1215
00:45:39,125 --> 00:45:43,351
immediately disregarded. Well,

1216
00:45:43,351 --> 00:45:45,362
we talked to Save the Dunes and the

1217
00:45:45,362 --> 00:45:47,324
National Park about what that means, and there

1218
00:45:47,324 --> 00:45:49,285
are about 75 acres of wetlands

1219
00:45:49,285 --> 00:45:51,146
that are outside the boundaries of the

1220
00:45:51,146 --> 00:45:53,057
National Park and that are contiguous to

1221
00:45:53,057 --> 00:45:55,785
them. So that was his big

1222
00:45:55,785 --> 00:45:57,085
concern because he could

1223
00:45:57,085 --> 00:45:58,560
just

1224
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,215
take this and have people

1225
00:46:00,215 --> 00:46:02,017
build on it, or what would be the

1226
00:46:02,017 --> 00:46:03,579
problem with that too?

1227
00:46:03,579 --> 00:46:06,324
Development is one thing, but so is

1228
00:46:06,324 --> 00:46:09,519
pollution and things like that. If an

1229
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:11,675
area were contaminated, it would be

1230
00:46:11,675 --> 00:46:13,661
less protected or

1231
00:46:13,661 --> 00:46:15,420
less necessary to clean up or hold

1232
00:46:15,420 --> 00:46:17,520
polluters accountable

1233
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,480
because the water is no longer protected.

1234
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,736
Because now they are eliminating many

1235
00:46:23,736 --> 00:46:26,053
of the regulations that have to do

1236
00:46:26,053 --> 00:46:30,606
with air and water. Keep looking at the

1237
00:46:30,606 --> 00:46:33,040
highway.

1238
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:37,062
Thank you. In favor, say yes. Any

1239
00:46:37,062 --> 00:46:40,127
opposition? Approved unanimously and it

1240
00:46:40,127 --> 00:46:44,506
's also terrifying. Okay,

1241
00:46:44,506 --> 00:46:46,839
public comments. Are there no

1242
00:46:46,839 --> 00:46:48,810
public comments? Well,

1243
00:46:48,810 --> 00:46:50,607
comments from the city council link

1244
00:46:50,607 --> 00:46:53,619
.

1245
00:46:53,619 --> 00:46:54,479
Nothing about this.

1246
00:46:54,479 --> 00:46:56,659
Well, no comment.

1247
00:46:56,659 --> 00:46:58,780
Additional comments from the committee. I

1248
00:46:58,780 --> 00:47:00,977
went to that seminar on

1249
00:47:00,977 --> 00:47:03,291
organic farming, I remember the seminar on

1250
00:47:03,291 --> 00:47:05,547
organic farming that was held

1251
00:47:05,547 --> 00:47:07,024
at Blue Chip.

1252
00:47:07,024 --> 00:47:07,981
Okay, fine.

1253
00:47:07,981 --> 00:47:09,307
Anyway, Nancy mentioned it, but it was

1254
00:47:09,307 --> 00:47:11,449
really interesting. The thing is

1255
00:47:11,449 --> 00:47:13,522
, apparently, he was very focused on

1256
00:47:13,522 --> 00:47:15,926
agriculture. I was probably the

1257
00:47:15,926 --> 00:47:17,681
only person who wasn't agricultural and

1258
00:47:17,681 --> 00:47:19,158
wasn't involved in

1259
00:47:19,158 --> 00:47:20,497
farming, but when

1260
00:47:20,497 --> 00:47:22,159
farmers work in their fields

1261
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:23,913
they use a lot of lime and try to lower

1262
00:47:23,913 --> 00:47:25,575
the pH, and that has always included

1263
00:47:25,575 --> 00:47:28,395
calcium carbonate. So now

1264
00:47:28,395 --> 00:47:30,164
they want to push other things like

1265
00:47:30,164 --> 00:47:31,693
calcium salicylate, maybe

1266
00:47:31,693 --> 00:47:33,869
salicylate, I can't pronounce it. But

1267
00:47:33,869 --> 00:47:35,199
then the steel mills are involved

1268
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:36,563
in this in some way because they buy

1269
00:47:36,563 --> 00:47:39,184
the slag. It was really interesting,

1270
00:47:39,184 --> 00:47:41,163
and there's a lot of carbon that ends up in the

1271
00:47:41,163 --> 00:47:43,142
soil that could be avoided by changing

1272
00:47:43,142 --> 00:47:45,393
the processes. Yes, this company was

1273
00:47:45,393 --> 00:47:46,835
there and said they would be happy to

1274
00:47:46,835 --> 00:47:48,371
come and talk to us. I took his

1275
00:47:48,371 --> 00:47:50,646
card, but I forgot it. But it was

1276
00:47:50,646 --> 00:47:52,482
quite interesting, I would never have thought of it

1277
00:47:52,482 --> 00:47:54,371
. And I know that

1278
00:47:54,371 --> 00:47:56,257
agriculture contributes significantly to

1279
00:47:56,257 --> 00:47:58,220
that problem with emissions.

1280
00:47:58,220 --> 00:47:59,080
Yes. I

1281
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,921
never thought about the ground. Therefore,

1282
00:48:00,921 --> 00:48:02,160
the less calcium carbonate

1283
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,536
used in the coating process, the

1284
00:48:03,536 --> 00:48:04,877
better, the less the plants will take

1285
00:48:04,877 --> 00:48:07,150
, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1286
00:48:07,150 --> 00:48:08,972
There's a book that was written about the

1287
00:48:08,972 --> 00:48:10,795
book called Project Drawdown, and it was

1288
00:48:10,795 --> 00:48:13,479
like, how do you do it? And the first thing

1289
00:48:13,479 --> 00:48:15,140
was that we had to get the

1290
00:48:15,140 --> 00:48:16,561
farmers to use everything.

1291
00:48:16,561 --> 00:48:17,574
I think you mentioned it in that book

1292
00:48:17,574 --> 00:48:18,534
about carbon neutrality,

1293
00:48:18,534 --> 00:48:20,077
right? Is that what having that

1294
00:48:20,077 --> 00:48:21,147
emissions reduction project is all about?

1295
00:48:21,147 --> 00:48:22,020
Probably, yes.

1296
00:48:22,020 --> 00:48:23,548
Nancy gave me that copy, yes. I think so for sure

1297
00:48:23,548 --> 00:48:24,602
.

1298
00:48:24,602 --> 00:48:25,276
Yes. The

1299
00:48:25,276 --> 00:48:26,551
first few pages, yes.

1300
00:48:26,551 --> 00:48:30,119
Mhm. Okay.

1301
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:31,766
Um yes, and then I just wanted to

1302
00:48:31,766 --> 00:48:33,980
remind everyone that the LaPorte

1303
00:48:33,980 --> 00:48:35,855
County Master Recycling Program is

1304
00:48:35,855 --> 00:48:38,848
starting up again. It was

1305
00:48:38,848 --> 00:48:40,643
published in the newspaper today, but it

1306
00:48:40,643 --> 00:48:42,428
has the old dates.

1307
00:48:42,428 --> 00:48:45,149
Originally, it was going to start on the

1308
00:48:45,149 --> 00:48:47,520
15th. Now, it starts on the 22nd.

1309
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:48,260
Oh, okay.

1310
00:48:48,260 --> 00:48:51,600
And it ends on the 19th. So, it's every

1311
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,856
Thursday afternoon starting on

1312
00:48:54,856 --> 00:48:58,113
October 22nd, then the 29th, November 5th

1313
00:48:58,113 --> 00:49:00,785
, November 12th, and

1314
00:49:00,785 --> 00:49:04,307
November 19th. And they usually start at

1315
00:49:04,307 --> 00:49:06,572
1:00, but a couple of them start at

1316
00:49:06,572 --> 00:49:12,373
2:00. Go to the LaPorte

1317
00:49:12,373 --> 00:49:14,575
County Solid Waste District website

1318
00:49:14,575 --> 00:49:16,654
and look for the

1319
00:49:16,654 --> 00:49:19,932
Teacher Recyclers Program. You'll see that all

1320
00:49:19,932 --> 00:49:21,776
the information is still there.

1321
00:49:21,776 --> 00:49:23,619
Do you know if there is a cost? It's

1322
00:49:24,060 --> 00:49:26,188
free, but you have to attend at least

1323
00:49:26,188 --> 00:49:27,996
five of the six sessions to

1324
00:49:27,996 --> 00:49:34,489
get certified. And they're

1325
00:49:34,489 --> 00:49:37,440
looking for people. Well, I did it a few

1326
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,518
years ago and it was great.

1327
00:49:39,518 --> 00:49:39,858
Yes.

1328
00:49:39,858 --> 00:49:41,666
I travel every week to all sorts of places

1329
00:49:41,666 --> 00:49:43,381
, to different companies and

1330
00:49:43,381 --> 00:49:44,789
recycling centers. It was great.

1331
00:49:44,789 --> 00:49:46,214
Yes, that's what I want to see. I

1332
00:49:46,214 --> 00:49:46,853
signed up.

1333
00:49:46,853 --> 00:49:48,203
Yes, because I did it too. I

1334
00:49:48,203 --> 00:49:49,381
wasn't sure if you had already done it

1335
00:49:49,381 --> 00:49:51,263
. Yes, that's how I met

1336
00:49:51,263 --> 00:49:51,694
Nancy.

1337
00:49:51,694 --> 00:49:53,260
Oh, okay.

1338
00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:54,400
Brilliant.

1339
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,540
Yes, it's very good, very educational.

1340
00:49:56,540 --> 00:49:58,619
Yes, I want to see what the landfill is like.

1341
00:49:58,619 --> 00:50:00,502
I want to see what the recycling trip is like

1342
00:50:00,602 --> 00:50:02,159
with me next time. I will do that

1343
00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:04,660
. Of course. Will you accompany her?

1344
00:50:04,660 --> 00:50:06,053
Yes, absolutely. I would be delighted to

1345
00:50:06,053 --> 00:50:08,970
go with you. Of course. Because they keep

1346
00:50:08,970 --> 00:50:10,675
saying that only 20% of

1347
00:50:10,675 --> 00:50:13,435
recyclable materials are recycled. And

1348
00:50:13,435 --> 00:50:17,845
that's so...for me, you know?

1349
00:50:17,845 --> 00:50:19,739
Why are we going to all this trouble if you're

1350
00:50:19,739 --> 00:50:20,988
not going to recycle it?

1351
00:50:20,988 --> 00:50:22,566
What happens to the rest? They

1352
00:50:22,566 --> 00:50:24,802
throw it in the landfill.

1353
00:50:24,802 --> 00:50:26,444
Not here in Port County.

1354
00:50:26,444 --> 00:50:27,460
Hopefully.

1355
00:50:27,460 --> 00:50:29,632
Yes, Sasha is aware of that. No, it is

1356
00:50:29,632 --> 00:50:30,304
n't.

1357
00:50:30,304 --> 00:50:30,839
Okay.

1358
00:50:30,839 --> 00:50:32,399
But you...

1359
00:50:32,399 --> 00:50:34,427
But I keep reading that and I still do

1360
00:50:34,427 --> 00:50:36,403
n't want to believe it, but it keeps appearing in

1361
00:50:36,403 --> 00:50:38,379
articles and even when I was at

1362
00:50:38,379 --> 00:50:40,407
that weather week, they were saying, "Well,

1363
00:50:40,407 --> 00:50:42,383
actually only about

1364
00:50:42,383 --> 00:50:45,663
20% of recyclable materials are recycled."

1365
00:50:45,663 --> 00:50:46,920
Something you've always heard, right?

1366
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,873
Like tin cans, glass, and

1367
00:50:48,873 --> 00:50:50,443
that quality cardboard.

1368
00:50:50,443 --> 00:50:51,832
Because there is an end use for that

1369
00:50:51,832 --> 00:50:53,338
product later in time, in the

1370
00:50:53,338 --> 00:50:54,403
long term of the future.

1371
00:50:54,403 --> 00:50:55,372
Yes. Yes.

1372
00:50:55,372 --> 00:50:56,669
you've been hearing that for years.

1373
00:50:56,669 --> 00:51:00,022
Okay. So. We'll see.

1374
00:51:00,022 --> 00:51:01,227
Well, you can go and visit the

1375
00:51:01,227 --> 00:51:02,344
recycling facilities.

1376
00:51:02,344 --> 00:51:05,503
Out. Curious minds want to

1377
00:51:05,503 --> 00:51:07,220
know.

1378
00:51:07,220 --> 00:51:08,979
Yes, yes, we want it.

1379
00:51:08,979 --> 00:51:10,072
Yes.

1380
00:51:10,072 --> 00:51:12,184
Okay. Any further comments from the

1381
00:51:12,184 --> 00:51:12,667
committee? I was

1382
00:51:12,667 --> 00:51:13,975
wondering if anyone is going to attend

1383
00:51:13,975 --> 00:51:15,250
that seminar on the state of Lake

1384
00:51:15,250 --> 00:51:16,416
Michigan. That sounds really

1385
00:51:16,416 --> 00:51:17,987
interesting. What

1386
00:51:17,987 --> 00:51:19,615
day is this November? November 4th? I

1387
00:51:19,615 --> 00:51:20,712
'll be there.

1388
00:51:20,712 --> 00:51:22,158
Ah, yes, and I'd be delighted to... I'm

1389
00:51:22,158 --> 00:51:23,412
interested. I don't know if I want to

1390
00:51:23,412 --> 00:51:24,863
shell out the 250, but that sounds

1391
00:51:24,863 --> 00:51:27,461
really interesting.

1392
00:51:27,461 --> 00:51:28,470
Or whatever it was.

1393
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:29,078
Believe.

1394
00:51:29,078 --> 00:51:30,358
It has a cost, I think.

1395
00:51:30,358 --> 00:51:31,220
Oh, is that it?

1396
00:51:31,220 --> 00:51:32,526
We are addressing that by presenting

1397
00:51:32,526 --> 00:51:33,650
a table for Save the Dunes.

1398
00:51:33,650 --> 00:51:36,324
Good. Yes, that's great. There you

1399
00:51:36,324 --> 00:51:37,986
have it. It's like a two- or three-

1400
00:51:37,986 --> 00:51:41,980
day event, right? Yes. Yes.

1401
00:51:41,980 --> 00:51:44,707
I'm going to quickly go over the announcements

1402
00:51:44,707 --> 00:51:47,161
for those listening

1403
00:51:47,161 --> 00:51:49,946
from afar. Uh, Northwest Indiana

1404
00:51:49,946 --> 00:51:52,251
Partners for Clean Air, every other

1405
00:51:52,251 --> 00:51:54,835
Friday is wrong on the schedule, but

1406
00:51:54,835 --> 00:51:57,825
there will be one tomorrow, from 9:00 to 10:00 a.m.

1407
00:51:57,825 --> 00:51:59,471
m. in our Google Meet.

1408
00:51:59,471 --> 00:52:02,240
Indiana Clean Community Program, October 14.

1409
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:06,452
Solar Action Team, Tuesday, October 27

1410
00:52:06,452 --> 00:52:09,084
. Reading of the Proclamation of the

1411
00:52:09,084 --> 00:52:10,749
Northwest Indiana Solar Cooperative

1412
00:52:10,749 --> 00:52:13,326
, Tuesday, October 20.

1413
00:52:13,326 --> 00:52:16,035
Soul Smart Do Your Part Workshop, Wednesday,

1414
00:52:16,035 --> 00:52:19,470
October 21.

1415
00:52:19,470 --> 00:52:22,514
Walker Street Community Garden Annual Fall Festival, Saturday,

1416
00:52:22,514 --> 00:52:25,969
October 24. The State of

1417
00:52:25,969 --> 00:52:28,246
Lake Michigan meeting will be at Blue Chip on

1418
00:52:28,246 --> 00:52:32,036
November 4th. Crossroads

1419
00:52:32,036 --> 00:52:35,592
Clean Tech Conference, November 17 and 18. And

1420
00:52:35,592 --> 00:52:37,664
then we have the green drinks from

1421
00:52:37,664 --> 00:52:39,736
Northwest Indiana; I didn't know what

1422
00:52:39,736 --> 00:52:43,657
the topic was, if you want to ask. We

1423
00:52:43,657 --> 00:52:45,850
're still waiting; we're hoping it will

1424
00:52:45,850 --> 00:52:47,928
be an indigenous theme of some

1425
00:52:47,928 --> 00:52:50,064
kind, but we had some trouble

1426
00:52:50,064 --> 00:52:52,316
finding presenters, so it has

1427
00:52:52,316 --> 00:52:55,009
n't been determined yet.

1428
00:52:55,009 --> 00:52:59,137
Brilliant. I propose that we adjourn the

1429
00:52:59,137 --> 00:53:01,736
session. I support

1430
00:53:01,736 --> 00:53:02,767
everyone who is in favor of the

1431
00:53:02,767 --> 00:53:04,839
postponement. I, those who are

1432
00:53:04,839 --> 00:53:08,106
against it, there is no official postponement at

1433
00:53:08,106 --> 00:53:09,880
5:23.