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Everybody ready?

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I would like to call to order our school
committee meeting for April 9th. If

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you're able, could you please rise and
have the Pledge of Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America,

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and to the republic

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one nation under God,
indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you.
Um so, our first order of business on

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first meeting after elections is to have
a reorganization, elect officers for

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uh the school committee.
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and I am only serving now. I am vice
chair until now, and I am serving just

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to get the meeting started.
So, in that role, um I will welcome any

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nominations for chair.
I nominate Sue Panini.

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Panini.

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Is there a second?
>> I'll second that.

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Uh I will then turn over the role of
chair to the uh most senior person, and

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that would be Christopher Benson.
Christopher

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Can I get all in favor?
I. I.

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All opposed?
So it's unanimous.

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Thank you.

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Uh, I now would like to entertain uh any
nominations for vice chair.

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I would like to nominate myself for vice
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Do I have a second?
Second.

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Any other nominations?

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Hearing none, all those in favor of uh
electing

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Kim as vice chair, please say I.
I. I.

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Opposed?

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Congratulations, Kim. Thank you.
That's unanimous um and uh

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the third office that needs to be filled
is clerk.

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Um we have Christine that has served as
that. I've tried to be in touch with her

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and did not hear back. I only
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knowing I'd be doing this. So um I if
it's okay uh want to wait until we hear

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from her and then maybe at the next
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position.
Does that work for folks? Mhm.

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Yeah.
Okay. This is where we do the chair

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shuffle.
Have the vice chair come up beside the

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chair.

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Just take your
name tag.

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Oh.

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With that then, the first thing I'd like
to do is to say thank you. Uh thank you

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for trusting me for to serve in this
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Um and I want you to know that I really
believe that the correct verb is serve.

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Um that I see a chair as serving the
committee.

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And
what I mean by that is I think that the

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chair really needs to be the person that
facilitates us to

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capture our mission and which is the
mission of the school. And that's the

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foster our excellence for every child in
every classroom every day.

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And I think it is the role of the chair
to make sure that we

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um
set agendas, get input, um have the

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right amount of information, and create
an environment where people really speak

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to one another,
and listen to one another,

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listen to the community when they want
to speak,

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uh so that we have the information that
we need to make those decisions that are

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not always easy ones.
And um I really pledge to do that while

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I'm in this role.
Uh and again, I thank you for giving me

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the opportunity to do it. I know that we
have some difficult decisions. These are

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tough times,
but I am very heartened by the different

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life experiences, professional
experiences, and perspectives of this

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board. And I believe that if we really
work together and share our thoughts,

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and uh work towards those goals that we
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together. So, thank you.

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Uh with that, I do want to officially
welcome our new members. And I wonder

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maybe if we start uh with Shawn if you
would introduce yourself

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um to
the folks that are here and the folks

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that are watching us uh on the cable Uh
and just because you don't we don't have

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name tags today so everybody knows who
everybody is.

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Good evening. My name is Shawn Mockler.
I just want to thank you for being here

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tonight
and thank you for everybody who voted

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for me and entrusted me to be part of
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Hi, I'm Leah Machado.
Thank you. I'm happy to be here. I'm

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looking forward to working together with
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to do what's best
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And thank you.
And then we have one member that is not

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able to be here tonight
who's Kristen

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but she will be joining us at the next
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introduce herself then.

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At the same time I also want to say a
thank you to our colleagues that are not

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with us tonight that have served on the
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for both
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They too are people that
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our new colleagues and the people that
remained on the board, I've had the

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opportunity to talk with everyone and
including Alan and Jess and I want to

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say that I know that everybody is here
for the right reason as was Jess and

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Alan that they really want to serve our
students and our community and I want to

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thank Jess and Alan for the time that
they did serve

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and put in all of that hard work that
you all are going to get to see that

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needs to be done as to serve on the
committee. So thank you Jess and Alan.

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» [laughter]
>> I was just going to let her keep going.

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Thank you so much. That was supposed to
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thing Uh, thank you for trusting me was
and by the way, I will mess up.

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And it is not intentional. Kim. That's
right. Hi, I'm Kim Radlon.

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Um, and like the other new elects, um,
I'm really happy to, um, be here to

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serve the district. I've worked in
Middleborough Public Schools, um, for 14

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years prior to my current job, and I'm
really excited to be back working with

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the district. Um,
so I thank everybody who voted for me

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and put your trust in all of us. And you
know, we're we're heading in the right

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direction. So, I'm really excited to be
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Thanks, Kim. And I apologize.
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Um, we're going to go a little bit out
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student representatives, Jackson Collins
and Mason Texeira, to give their reports

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so that they can get back to what it is
that they need to do in the evening to

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be ready for school tomorrow morning.

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Uh, all right. So, normally we'd start
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but we don't have any right now. So, I
just want to say welcome to all the new

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school committee members. Uh, I'd like
to introduce myself. My name is Jackson

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Collins, and I'm one of the school
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I'm Mason Texeira, and I'm the other
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will kick off our report today with the
stuff from the MEC. Uh, they want to

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wish you all a happy April, and their
new word of the month is creativity.

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Uh, ways their students are showing
creativity in their classrooms is

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they're making recycled art. They are
turning cardboard boxes, plastic

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bottles, and egg cartons into robots,
costumes, and sculptures.

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They are writing stories, and they are
storytelling. So, they're creating a

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storytelling extravaganza with random
pictures, poems, and they create what if

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stories, and they spend time in class
writing to show their creativity.

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Uh they do a lot of things, inventive
projects, emotional art, word play,

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creative writing, and even drama. So,
they are taking creativity to heart

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during the month of April.
Their field day is scheduled for

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Thursday, May 28th. If it rains, it will
be held indoors. Volunteer sign-up

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letters will be going home the first
week back from April vacation.

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If any parents want to volunteer, they
need to have a valid CORI license.

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If you have one, you'll receive more
information in an email letting you know

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what to expect. Um these licenses do
expire, so please check and make sure

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that yours is current. If you do not
have one and you want to be part of

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field day, you can bring a license into
the main office and you will be able to

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fill out that form. Only parents with
CORIs are allowed on the field, and more

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information will be posted in the PE
news section, so stay tuned.

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Report cards will be available to are
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6th, and the paper copy was sent home on
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Uh kindergarten information night for
incoming kindergarten families was April

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8th from 6:00 to 7:00 p.m.

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Okay, and now we're moving on to uh MKG.
Uh MKG just wants to extend a

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congratulations to their amazing drama
club for their outstanding performance.

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They certainly have talent at MKG.
Some upcoming MCAS dates is May 4th, the

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math session for grades 3, 4, and 5. May
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and 5.
May 12th, the um science session for

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grade 5. And then May 14th, the second
science session for grade 5.

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On Thursday, April 2nd, the first grade
students were visited by uh Caldecott

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award-winning author and illustrator
Brian Lies. The MKG staff and grade one

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students would like to give a huge thank
you to the MKG PTA for sponsoring this

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amazing enrichment opportunity.
Grade 2 students wrapped up their trip

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around the world. Their students worked
hard to produce travel brochures for the

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parent presentation on April 2nd and
3rd, and they are so thrilled that many

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parents came to join.
The mathematicians have started finding

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and using fractions in real world
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Fourth graders have been busy this
weekend while it's been raining cats and

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dogs. Ask your child what idioms are and
why authors use them in addition to

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other figurative language.
Students in fourth and fifth grade have

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been learning about the art of making
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To switch over to the HPB on April 6th,
there was a PTA meeting.

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Um, it was an MCAS information session
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Um, tomorrow, April 10th, is the art
festival from 5:00 to 7:00 p.m. The

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theme is Candyland glow in the dark, and
it features hands-on activities such as

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model magic, sand art, face painting,
and more. Bring cash for t-shirts and

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snacks, but entry to the event is free.
On April 17th, there's the neon glow fun

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run fundraiser. Please register your
child with the sign-up in the bulletin,

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and the HPB lobby has set up a donation
box for clothing to support Cradles to

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Crayons. So, please consider
contributing to this meaningful cause.

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Your donations will make a big
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Um, and then normally we move on to
Nichols Middle School, but we don't have

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any major announcements from that, so
we'll just be moving right on to MHS.

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So, at the high school, we want to
congratulate all students that

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participated in the instant decision day
for Massasoit Community College last

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week. We're proud of them.
And job well done to all of the AP

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students who participated in their AP
mock exams over the past few weeks for

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both math and science.
Congratulations to all spring athletes

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as they have started the spring season
despite the weather.

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And good luck to the cast and crew of
SCW's production of the play that goes

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wrong. We're looking forward to your
play this weekend with shows at 6:00

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p.m. on both Friday and Saturday. This
is the annual winter comedy that the

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drama club produces
every winter. Uh congrats to the student

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council for the breakfast with the
Easter Bunny event that was held on the

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uh previous weekend and where kids from
throughout the community got to come,

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have some breakfast in the calf, and
take photos with the Easter Bunny.

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Uh please plan your Sunday dinner here
at MHS

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there at MHS as the class of 2028 host
their annual pizza bowl. The event will

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begin at 4:00 p.m. and will conclude at
6:00 p.m. and on this Sunday. So, please

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come and taste a variety of pizza from
the Middleborough area and you will get

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to vote on who serves the best pizza.
Quarter three now ends on Friday, April

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17th,
we leave on break and quarter four will

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begin the Monday we get back from break.
So, keep that in mind as grades will

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close very shortly. Um especially for
seniors because quarter four will be

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about a month. So, get your grades up
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The spring SAT will be held on held at
MHS on Saturday, May 2nd. So, be sure to

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register for that exam if you are a
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Uh please reach out to your school
counselor with any questions and

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student council elections have begun for
the next um

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student council executive board. The
elections for the class board will begin

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after break. And then after that, the
elections for the new school committee

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rep will be held. And I believe it was a
meeting the week I want to say the date

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was the 22nd that I predict the meeting
would be where you will all get to meet

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the new school committee rep for next
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All right. So, we just wanted to touch
base with the new board and discuss how

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we can work together as students and
school board. One of the main reasons we

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became school committee reps was to make
sure student voices could be heard. As

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the school committee reps, we are
responsible for not only reporting on

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student ongoings in the district, but
also making sure that the voices of our

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students in our district are heard.
My first ask of this board is to

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continue to ask both myself and my
co-rep and any future reps our opinions

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on issues, policies, and any other
debates the school committee faces.

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We are the student representatives on
the school committee and we believe that

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the students' voices are just as
important as the parents. We ask you to

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remember that we are here to provide the
students' opinions on issues and implore

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you to use us as a resource.

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The student advisory committee is
another option you have for getting

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students' opinions on issues. The
student advisory committee, which

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henceforth I will refer to as the SAC,
is a committee consisting of five

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students from the high school. The
members consist of the members-at-large

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from the freshman, sophomore, and junior
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committee reps here today. Our purpose
is to share the voices of the students

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with the school committee.
We read through policies, we skim

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through handbooks, and we provide
insight into everyday life at the

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school. Most importantly, we gather
student input that can be shared with

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the committee at a meeting or via email,
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If the school committee is reviewing a
policy that affects students, one of the

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student reps will request to review it
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process
to make sure that the students' voices

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can be heard in the decision-making
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If the school committee is debating an
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population, such as the mask mandate
during COVID-19 if anyone remembers that

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and the pending cell phone ban for the
upcoming school year. The SAC will meet

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to discuss and will share their opinions
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where we hope you will all take our
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your decisions. Um
a friendly reminder just according to

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the law that creates the advisory
committee, the school committee must

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meet with the SAC at least once every
other month. Uh we're very excited to

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work with all of you and we want to
create a new relationship between the

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students and the school board. The SAC
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the students, the members of the
community that serve that cannot make

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their voices heard in the ballot booth.
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transparency, please do not forget about
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students within the school that you
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the SAC at all?
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» I I I do.
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» Um it's actually something I've I was
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and that is we we do often uh change the
order of the agenda. Um we think we're

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doing it as a favor so that you are not
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and I wondered whether um that was
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do. That you should remain so that if
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on that a student perspective would be
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um provide it within the context of the
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beginning out of the context of the
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it really depends on the meeting. There
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stay to hear a certain um agenda item
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we want to hear opinions for, we will
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have been very budget filled, which has
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um process winds down, Jackson and I can
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back into more
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superintendent search. So, I think
it really would depend from meeting to

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meeting, but that is the sort of thing
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let you know.
Thank you.

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Any other thoughts or questions? The
last thing um was the superintendent

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search packet that we have here. I
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um the committee is approved or changed
or if you need anything from the schools

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for
anything for the committee, you can

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reach out to both Fran and ourselves.
So, thank you. We certainly will.

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Uh and thank you both for uh the ways
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presented what your information is from
the round the district. Uh I think that

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you've done it in a very professional
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Um so, I did put together I I
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at least the newer members would not
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laptops yet or Chromebooks. So, I did

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put together a packet of information uh
that's before you that we're going to be

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referring to as we go along this
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that I want to refer to
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charting the course.
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for the new members, uh this is
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first year uh and you will see I just
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there is
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happen in Marshfield, which is closer
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uh some of the others
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going to. Uh last year Shannon and I
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I will speak for myself,
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» uh having a colleague from the school
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you could kind of discuss different
things together of how that applies

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within uh our school committee, I found
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um you might want to think about signing
up together if you

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So, I just want to bring that to your
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Also, behind that you see um something
that Anne had sent around also, which is

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the Middleborough School Committee
operating protocols.

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And that was uh
approved at our last meeting or the

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meeting before uh as it it is based on
our policies.

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Uh and the thought was of bringing this
together the information together in a

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way that uh we can all read and then
sign at the end that these are our

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obligations, these are the ways that we
are to conduct ourselves while we're

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here.
I don't know that you have had enough

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time to really take a look at it to for
me to send around the paper to sign now,

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but I I leave it up to what you
what you wish. We can wait until the

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next meeting um so that you can really
review it and then sign or we can sign

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it at the end.
Uh what's your pleasure, everyone?

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Thoughts?
I'm fine for tonight, but should we wait

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for Kristen or
It's a good idea.

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Want to wait till the next meeting so
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also?
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Okay.
And that's what we will do.

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All right, next on the agenda you see
um rules and procedures for

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public comment.
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so
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um there has been debate
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policy around public comment.
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the 3-minute rule.
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that um
thanks to Shannon

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who is on our policy subcommittee. Um
she pulled out for me just just the

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guidelines for public comment um which
speaks to many different things, but the

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uh you will see
further along where it speaks to um

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that uh individuals can get up to speak
that they have 3 minutes, that they

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shouldn't come back more than once
uh and many other aspects of it. The one

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part that seems to have been a
that people have

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challenged
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spoken about during uh this election
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the 3-minute rule.
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that we can change it if we decide if
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will see um
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copied and pasted what it says is the

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policy for um
for policy adoption. What has to happen

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to change a policy?
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and rightly so.
Um it takes review. It's a legal

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document um and you know
it's something that we really need to

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abide by
and making quick changes is probably not

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the best idea. Typically, the people
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kind of
uh policy changes that it is decided by

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the school committee whether we want to
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superintendent.
Um it can be as from feedback that we

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get from staff members or community or
whatever, but brought to this board to

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determine whether we want to um
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something that we can uh do immedi- uh
effective immediately.

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uh that this is um something that has
really and sometimes gotten in the way

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of um our meetings because people have
strong feelings about it. I wanted to

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open up for discussion. Uh if this is
something that we want to officially

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review. Um and so, that is what I'm
doing. I am opening it up for

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conversation.

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Does anyone want to speak?
Leah?

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Chris or Well, I was going to make a
motion, but if anyone wants to speak

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first,
I'd rather that happen.

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I would like to amend this policy. Um I
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there should necessarily be a time limit
for anyone who's voicing their concerns

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at a school committee meeting,
especially when it has to do with their

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children or the budget, you know, any
anything. Um

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I would also like to see back and forth
dialogue between the community and the

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school committee. You know, even if it's
just acknowledging someone's comment and

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you know, making sure we
table it and get back to it when we know

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the answer just
so we revisit it and

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you know,
have that back and forth. It's just It's

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silly when you comment and everyone just
sits in silence. It's just It just

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doesn't feel right. So, I yeah, I would
like to see this happen.

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Anybody else have thoughts that they'd
like to share?

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not sure what it should be, but I think
it's worth investigating to see if

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there's maybe a better fit for this
committee in the community.

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And then just in keeping
you know, obviously with there's still

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discussion items that are open for
discussion as well. So, I just want to I

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just want us to keep that in mind, too,
when we look at revising the public

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comment aspect of it is that we're still
open for the discussion items to have

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that, you know, that back and forth
dialogue.

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Um and also, too, just to utilize email
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members as well. I mean, I think
sometimes that might be underutilized

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for us, and I just want to make sure
that

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everyone is aware of how to get in
touch, you know, with all of us if there

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are questions. And I know some parents
are more comfortable maybe reaching out

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to Chris more than someone else, or, you
know, they have people that they might

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be more comfortable with. But I want to
make sure that, too, we're utilizing all

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the tools that, you know, that we do
have when we look to revamp this policy.

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Can I ask a question? Of course.
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parent reaches out to a specific school
committee member, or, you know, reaches

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out to the entire school committee,
how do we How are we supposed to then Do

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we respond as a group? Do we respond
individually? Then do we discuss it?

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Like, how does that work?
So, I I again, we can't We can't read We

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can't comment or reply all. Okay. Cuz
that would be a violation of the open

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meeting law.
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media, too. So, I just want
that I mean, I know it's not something

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we actually put on the agenda to review,
but as far as responding to anything on

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social media, um as a school committee
member, because then the opportunity for

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me to comment, and then maybe Sue
comments and then maybe Chris comes and

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then all of a sudden we're there's three
people commenting or we have a majority

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of Right. Okay. Which could also be
considered a violation. So,

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um I would say in my own personal
experience if a parent reaches out and I

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can help them then I appoint them in the
right direction of what I can do

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or try to answer if I can. If I can't
then I know I need to put them, you

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know, in touch with someone else. Okay.
So, it's really just depends on the

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situation or what the question is I
think for me. I I mean I won't speak on

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behalf of anyone else but that's just
been my experience. Okay.

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Hi. Hi.
Uh my experience also I agree with what

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Shannon is saying and and
there are we do have protocol around

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when someone if it's about a a specific
my child issue directing it to the

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person
and you can follow up and make sure that

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that they got responded to and whatever.
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what
my experience is also been that if I

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start hearing three, four
five different people contacting me not

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about an issue
um that's when I will go to the

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superintendent and say
aside from each individual little thing

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it just feels like there's something
bubbling up here that is an issue.

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Um can we talk about that and is there
something, you know, that we need to

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address and we still need to bring it
back to the superintendent

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uh and and then at some point
a larger issue not around a student but

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a larger thing can be discussed at if it
gets to that point that the school needs

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going to talk about the policy and like

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Shannon had said, you know, really
looking at when

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people are coming up for public comment
and I know kind of sitting here and not

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being able to have a conversation back
and forth.

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And when we're comment
having comments on things on the agenda,

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but they haven't been presented yet. We
can't really have a conversation back

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and forth because they haven't presented
the information yet. So,

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kind of figuring out how maybe
tabling that

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kind of discussion piece until they
present and then coming back up and

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having that discussion. So, sometimes
there are those points when

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we can't really have that back and forth
because it's not our presentation to

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even be answering questions about
because they haven't had it yet. So, I

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think all of that, you know, as we go
over this, I think that's going to be a

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big part, you know, of the conversation,
too.

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Chris. Oh. Oh.
I was going to have a motion a motion

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get on the table before we go to public
input.

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Okay. So, my motion in
July, we tabled a proposed change to

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policy BEDH
and then we've also been provided

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BEDH-E.
I would make a motion to refer those

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both back to the
policy subcommittee for review and

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hopefully with the recommendation to
delete rule number three in BEDH

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or rule number one in BEA BEDH-E,
which is the three minute.

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Is there a second?
Second.

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Um this is my first request as the vice
chair, can you get motions down because

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I will never be able to get them down.
Um

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Yes, there are a lot of letters, though,
so you might have to repeat that.

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» [laughter]

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» Yeah.

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Oh, no.

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E D E T E T and then this is the match.
>> Okay.

431
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:55,600
And then we can push that to a division.
And did I hear a second?

432
00:32:53,280 --> 00:33:02,400
I second it. Thank you.
Okay, any further discussion here before

433
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,400
we go to um community?

434
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:08,000
Anyone from the community who wants to
have input?

435
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:14,920
I have You're in the dark. I have a hard
time seeing [laughter] you.

436
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:18,280
Okay, if you would mind stating your
name. Sarah Lord.

437
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,720
Hi Sarah.

438
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,160
Can you hear me now? Oh, can I ever.
>> [laughter]

439
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:37,480
» Um just a
comment for the microphones. If everyone

440
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:42,920
could just be mindful of their
microphones, we can't hear a lot of you.

441
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:47,000
Um so it comes in kind of blurry or I
think it's just too far away. So like

442
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:50,920
Chris I heard and Shawn I heard, but
everyone else kind of and I asked other

443
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,800
people so it wasn't just my hearing. Um
thank you.

444
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:58,720
I just want to comment on the 3 minutes.
So I was coming to the school committee

445
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:04,000
meetings when they started um enforcing
that. That's when I started speaking out

446
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:08,639
and I think part of the issue is it was
done as a way of controlling parents

447
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:13,480
from sharing. From my opinion and from
the public opinion. I think it was the

448
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:17,000
timing of it. It was never something
that happened until a lot of people

449
00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:21,520
started speaking out. So people have
seen it as a way of controlling parents

450
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:25,600
and the community and I think that's why
maybe the intention isn't that, but

451
00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:29,760
that's why it was used before by
previous chairs.

452
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:33,600
Um so I do think it's important to
remind people that you don't come up

453
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:39,159
here if something's on the agenda.
That's clearly stated every time. Um and

454
00:34:36,919 --> 00:34:44,960
you save those comments for that
particular item. But to come up here and

455
00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:49,280
most people don't break the 3 minutes,
but I think just telling people they

456
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:52,679
have a limit is
it's not okay. And I like I said, it was

457
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:56,840
used as a control method before by
previous chairs and I think that's why

458
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:59,880
it needs to go. So, thank you. Thank
you. Helpful.

459
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,200
Good evening. Welcome. Welcome all the
new members. Um yeah, I just had maybe a

460
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,960
couple of clar-
>> but first, could you state your name?

461
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:13,360
» me to Oh, I'm sorry. Pat Rooney, uh
uh second grade teacher at the uh

462
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,600
Brookline school.
Um

463
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:22,200
couple of things I and um I appreciate
Ms. Redlon's comment about that. We need

464
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:25,440
to speak on like when those items come
up cuz like I'm looking at the school

465
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,480
choice.
We have no idea what that's about. Is

466
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,480
that a pro? Is that a negative? Is it a
thing? What are we doing? How we doing?

467
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,800
So,
usually

468
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:39,520
and and not having been to a lot of
committee meetings before for the school

469
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,560
committee, when I was watching recently,
it's like when do you talk? When do you

470
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,040
not talk? When can you ask a question?
When can't you ask a question? And then

471
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:49,640
people would have note, we're not
commenting on that right now.

472
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,960
Um that dialogue between
the board and the

473
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:57,720
and the uh
public is important. Um and I'd like to

474
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,240
sit there and not answer those questions
for the past several months. That

475
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,880
doesn't seem like
you know, we're working together.

476
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:08,000
And we're supposed to be having all this
um

477
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:11,800
transparency.
That doesn't That's not transparency. No

478
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:15,520
one's answering the questions.
Um

479
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:19,200
we heard emails going back a little bit
that I got emails that must have said,

480
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,760
"We want to redistrict." I heard a lot
of pa- What emails?

481
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,840
How many did you get? Did you get two?
Cuz that's emails. Did you get a

482
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:29,200
hundred?
Where did this idea come from? People

483
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:33,560
say, "Well, I a lot of emails about uh
you know, for it."

484
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:37,680
Okay, well, not to doubt you, but
what emails are those? How do we know

485
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,680
you got

486
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,520
I got
Uh-uh.

487
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:49,720
No, that's okay. Don't go away.
Uh did did that turn the mic off? Is

488
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,720
that what happened?

489
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:04,440
I just don't know why.
Um so,

490
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,280
you know, just [snorts] that kind of a
when people say, "Oh, well, I got these

491
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,520
emails about this that the public wants
to do this."

492
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:13,920
Okay, but that needs to be transparent,
too. How many emails did you get?

493
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:17,880
One person has an idea that they want to
change the schools. That's not a

494
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:22,080
that's not a public comment. That's not
a public demand. You know, what 30

495
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:26,840
people did?
There's 1,200 students, 1,200 parents, 3

496
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,480
400 parents.
The other ones that you wanted to listen

497
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,920
to prove it. So, it's not just, "Well, I
heard this for it." But just that

498
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,120
transparency there.
Um

499
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,760
and then I did that public comment
should be on each of the agenda items.

500
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:42,000
As things come up, that's when the
people can make those comments and kind

501
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:45,800
of say, you know, "Oh, yeah, that's a
great idea." Or "This needs to be looked

502
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:48,680
at further." Or "Where did this come
from?"

503
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:52,080
Who made you know, why are we discussing
this now?

504
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:55,320
Why haven't we discussed this before?
So, but if it's just public comment and

505
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,960
then
we haven't discussed those things that

506
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:02,520
are on the agenda that I'm sure people
want to discuss.

507
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,120
And I'm sure that you'd like to hear.
Because you get the positives, you get

508
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:09,320
the negatives, you get the for's, you
get the against. So, so I I like with

509
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:13,560
the board where you guys are looking at
that to try to change that. Go back to

510
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:17,320
the way things are so that there is that
transparency that, you know, everybody

511
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,560
knows what's going on.
Whether we like it or not doesn't

512
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,480
matter.
Everybody knows what's going on.

513
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,520
And that's where people can make their
decisions.

514
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:29,600
Thank you. Thank you.
Um I do

515
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:34,240
uh want to provide some information um
and hopefully we'll reinforce it um as

516
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:38,880
we're going along.
There are two different times that we

517
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:42,400
call for
uh

518
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:46,880
the public to get up and give us
feedback or provide information. One is

519
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:51,320
called public comment.
And in that section

520
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:56,640
you can get up and speak to anything
that um is within the purview of the

521
00:38:54,680 --> 00:39:01,240
committee, whether or not it's on the
agenda.

522
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:04,560
Open law open meeting law does not allow
us to speak to anything that's not on

523
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:11,360
the agenda.
So, that is why often we'll

524
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:15,760
the response will be um we're not going
to be able to speak to that right now,

525
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:21,680
but we'll follow up later.
The second time is as you've said is

526
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:26,440
during the agenda. At that time, it is
the agenda. So, that's why we stop and

527
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:31,640
we ask for
uh any kind of public feedback or input

528
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:34,840
and that is when we can always have back
and forth

529
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:38,920
um information going flowing back and
forth because it's on the agenda and we

530
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:43,760
will not get into any kind of open
meeting law violation.

531
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,080
Does that help? Yes. Thank you. You're
welcome.

532
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:55,440
Hi, Lauren Hook. Hi, Lauren.
Uh Summer Street. So, I just wanted to

533
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:58,040
uplift with Pat, right? Pat just said.
Um

534
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:02,040
and I've had this conversation with both
I can glean and Sean when we had some of

535
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,760
these meetings about
um

536
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:10,880
you know, you don't know what an agenda
item is and so I don't know if it's part

537
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:15,680
of the law or just the policy of
where public comment thought like lies

538
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:19,680
in the agenda and if it could be moved
back because that could also

539
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:23,440
um
like reduce some of the times that

540
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,760
people feel they need to get up to speak
if

541
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:32,400
some of their questions are answered
throughout the agenda previously. So.

542
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,400
Thanks. Good idea.

543
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:42,160
Any more?
Oops. Sorry.

544
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:47,320
Hi Katie. Katie McMenamin, um North
Street. Um I watched all the incredible

545
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:52,160
speakers that spoke at the Ways and
Means hearing.

546
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:56,000
Um so the three-rule for me um
limits passion.

547
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:59,520
Um having to hear them kind of rush
through their speeches because they were

548
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:03,360
limited at that thing. I just don't
think that should be here. I think here

549
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:08,680
is where should be a safe place, excuse
me, safe space and we should be able to

550
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:12,680
hear that passion. Um so my votes for
the new uh School Committee members kind

551
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:16,720
of lean towards, okay, who also agrees
that maybe that three-minute rule should

552
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:21,000
be looked at. So just another parent
saying, I'd appreciate that being looked

553
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,440
into.
Thank you.

554
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,960
Other thoughts?
We can still discuss before the vote.

555
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,280
We can.
I just want to

556
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,440
uh
let everyone who's watching or who's

557
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:42,400
here tonight thank you for being here
tonight. Now uh the agenda usually comes

558
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:45,880
out on the Tuesday before the Thursday.
If there are things that people want as

559
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,840
discussion items and they feel
passionate about,

560
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:53,720
you can email well, I'm I don't want to
speak for everybody, but you can

561
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:57,960
certainly email me and I will voice it
to the superintendent, the chair and the

562
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:02,560
vice chair and fight to get that as a
discussion item because

563
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:07,200
staff,
taxpayers and parents,

564
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:10,240
you all have a voice that should be
heard every meeting

565
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:15,480
and
on any issue. So please reach out to me.

566
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:20,280
I'm happy to read your emails and
forward your thoughts along to the

567
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:25,320
chair. Thank you. Thanks, Chris. And uh
if I might piggyback on that, uh

568
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,440
the agendas, even though they come out
on Tuesday,

569
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:32,960
um we really work on them the week
before. So, anytime you want something

570
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:37,520
on an agenda um
that you feel passionate about,

571
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:41,480
certainly email Chris if you want, but
uh as chair you certainly can email me.

572
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:49,080
All right, so I don't want to speak for
you. That's okay. I appreciate that.

573
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:53,800
All right, any other conversation?
Go ahead, William. I welcome emails as

574
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:59,600
well. Please Please reach out. That's
why we're here. So, utilize us.

575
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,600
Reach out.

576
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:09,120
All right, so uh
Kim, would you mind reading back the

577
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:15,560
motion?
Uh a motion for

578
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,920
policy BEDH
and BEDHE

579
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:23,880
to be referred back to the policy
committee for review.

580
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:30,400
And it was motioned by Chris and second
by Shannon. Thank you.

581
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:34,480
All those in favor? I. I.
Opposed?

582
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:39,760
That's unanimous.
Thank you.

583
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:43,080
So, following up on that, um
and I wanted to do all of this before we

584
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:48,680
had public comment.
Uh you will see in your packets behind

585
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:51,440
that that there is a policy There's a
policy for everything.

586
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:59,560
Uh
there is a policy to suspend policies.

587
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:04,640
Um which allows us to um
temporarily

588
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:08,360
suspend some aspect of a policy. And I'm
going to read it so that it uh those

589
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:11,800
that don't have the paper in front of
them will know.

590
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,760
It says the operation of any section or
sections of Middleborough School

591
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:20,640
Committee policies not established by
law or contract may be temporarily

592
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:25,240
temporarily suspended by a 2/3 vote of
the committee members present at any

593
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:29,440
regular or special meeting. Any action
to suspend policy must be reviewed at

594
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:34,240
the next scheduled meeting and will be
so noted on the agenda for that meeting.

595
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,840
Uh what I interpret that to mean though
I will bow to Shannon's knowledge of the

596
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:43,800
policies
um is that we can uh vote to suspend

597
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:49,040
some aspect of a policy, but it's only
for that night. If you want it to

598
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:51,200
continue, you review it again at the
next meeting.

599
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:56,360
Uh
and so with that in mind and hearing all

600
00:44:54,040 --> 00:45:02,520
of the input that has been given both
previously and tonight, um I would

601
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,160
entertain a motion to
uh suspend the 3-minute rule what we

602
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,200
have come to lovingly call the 3-minute
rule

603
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:18,920
uh
uh for tonight's public comment. Second.

604
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:18,920
Any discussion?

605
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:26,040
All those in favor signify I. I.
Opposed?

606
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:30,800
We also have that as a unanimous vote.
Thank you.

607
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:39,440
So, we now move into with all of that
done, we can move into public comment

608
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:45,000
and I want to reiterate one more time
that public comment is for the time

609
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:48,720
if there what you want to talk about is
not on the agenda.

610
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:53,840
Um this is the time that you can speak
to it. We can ask clarifying questions.

611
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:57,880
Um
but we cannot have a conversation about

612
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:03,160
it if it's not on the agenda because of
open meeting law.

613
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:06,800
Uh if you wait until the agenda item
uh, that it refers to, we will always

614
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:11,920
stop [clears throat]
and make sure that that the public is

615
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:14,200
given opportunity to give input.
You can

616
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:19,240
if it is on the agenda, you can do it
during public comment also.

617
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:23,760
Um, but it might be a way to streamline
um, how we get through these meetings.

618
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:28,920
So, having said that, uh, is there
anyone like to speak for public comment?

619
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:33,360
Hello. Um, there was no Tiger Times this
past week, so I just wanted to mention

620
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:38,040
that the Nichols Middle School PTA,
we're having a textile bin drive on

621
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:42,840
Saturday for Earth Day. So, it's 8:00 to
12:00 um, this coming Saturday. Help us

622
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:48,480
fill a textile bin. They're going to be
dropping off a big trailer and uh, we

623
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:52,320
get funds from that that we can use for
the students and teacher appreciation.

624
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:58,000
And then next Tuesday, we have a
McDonald's fundraiser for Nichols Middle

625
00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:03,920
School PTA. Um, from 4:00 to 7:00 at the
Middleborough McDonald's on Tuesday. No

626
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:08,280
code needed. Any way you order accounts,
uh, and we get 20%. So, thank you.

627
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,960
Thank you.
And thank you for what the PTA does.

628
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:24,480
Relax, I'm on your side.
Uh,

629
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:28,800
James Dupont, 118 Elm Street East for
the for the minutes and the record. I'll

630
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:32,960
leave a copy of my uh, remarks.
Uh, just to put it in in the context of

631
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,880
why I'm here and with whom you are
dealing, I served 18 years on the

632
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:41,920
Bridgewater-Raynham Regional School
Committee. I served as a town selectman

633
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:46,080
for a number of years after that. And
uh, despite the fact and there being

634
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:49,920
three new members here, all I'll say is
possibly in about 2 weeks, I'll be the

635
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:54,160
new member of the Bridgewater-Raynham
Regional School Committee. But, never

636
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:58,800
never can tell. Maybe the voice of Bugs
Bunny, Mel Blanc, will beat me.

637
00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:01,480
Good evening, uh, Madam Chairman,
members of the Middleborough School

638
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:04,920
Committee.
I come tonight to deliver a message

639
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:09,240
regarding a matter of grave and
immediate importance to the students of

640
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:12,240
the Middleborough district,
their school committee,

641
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:16,920
and the administration staff of the
Middleborough School Department.

642
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:20,360
The issue is twofold.
First, it concerns the decades-long

643
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:24,280
practice of underfunding by the
Massachusetts State Legislature of the

644
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:26,480
various categories of so-called local
aid,

645
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:30,520
which is all of you know is a
significant factor in setting the

646
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:34,280
the tax rate
in the local property tax, and hence how

647
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:39,000
much the property owners are asked by
you to pay.

648
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:42,800
Prior to fiscal year '81, the first year
in which Proposition 2 1/2 was in

649
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:47,200
effect, which I helped put on the
ballot,

650
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:50,880
the cities and towns before that simply
put another nickel on the local tax rate

651
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:54,520
to make up for any shortfall in local
aid, and went on with things.

652
00:48:54,560 --> 00:49:00,480
After Prop 2 1/2 took effect, the cities
and towns were limited in how much they

653
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:05,520
could raise the prior year's levy.
Consequently, many local services,

654
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:08,920
mostly education,
were annually paired back due to the

655
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:12,000
annual recurring shortfalls in state
money being returned to the local

656
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:16,520
governments.
This brings me to my second point.

657
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:20,000
Where does so-called state revenue come
from?

658
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:25,960
The answer is it comes from every
resident and business in every city and

659
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:28,920
town, including Middleborough.
Why isn't that money being returned to

660
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:33,560
you,
the people who actually need it for

661
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:38,840
day-to-day things like police, fire,
seniors, and most importantly,

662
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:42,720
hear this that word, most importantly,
schools.

663
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:47,160
It's been my experience that our state
legislators have not made full funding

664
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:51,240
of local aid a priority.
Members of the majority party bemoan how

665
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:55,160
tough things are this year in Boston on
Beacon Hill. And you're already hearing

666
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:59,520
that.
And I will just

667
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:04,720
make a footnote. $8.3
billion

668
00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:08,240
B billion dollars in the rainy day fund.
And they're telling you how tough it's

669
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:13,640
going to be.
And the governor only put in for a 2.5%

670
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:16,760
increase in chapter 70.
So, the members of the majority party

671
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,480
bemoan how tough things are this year on
Beacon Hill. Well, the minority party

672
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:23,040
members shrug their shoulders and say
there isn't anything I can do about it.

673
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,080
Last year Rainham's annual budget
process resulted in the failure to pay

674
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:32,360
the regional school district's
assessment after failed prop two and a

675
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:37,120
half override, a large layoff of school
employees then followed.

676
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:42,560
41
31 the next year and possibly more this

677
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,560
year.

678
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:48,640
Makes you wonder why I'm running for the
school committee, I suppose.

679
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:52,040
A resident I discussed this with said it
sounds like bad management.

680
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,440
I responded that it wasn't bad
management, but rather a shortfall

681
00:50:53,720 --> 00:51:02,000
caused by our state legislators not
fully funding chapter 70. I've been

682
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:02,000
tracking chapter 70 since 1973.

683
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:11,520
I have checked it every year.
Never once fully funded.

684
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:16,280
I want to repeat that for the record.
Chapter 70 never once fully funded.

685
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:22,400
When he responded that it
to that I said that it wasn't bad

686
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:26,000
management, but a shortfall caused by
our state legislators,

687
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:30,360
he responded by saying it sounds like
our local government mismanaged their

688
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:34,600
relationship with our legislators. And
yes, I'm looking at you.

689
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:38,560
As long as our state reps and state
senators can get lauded for getting us

690
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:41,680
half a loaf,
then the residents and businesses will

691
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,520
be told to make up the difference and
you,

692
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:50,240
the elected members of this committee,
you will take the brunt of the public's

693
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:54,080
ire, not the governor,
not the state reps, state senators,

694
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:58,280
the people at this table who've been
elected to conduct education in this

695
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:04,920
town will take the brunt of the public's
ire when taxes go up

696
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:08,000
and educational opportunities go down.
Madam Chairman, this leads me to the

697
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:12,080
conclusion that the time has come for
all local elected officials to demand

698
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:16,160
their respective state legislators
change their vote on local aid and aid

699
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:20,920
to education from the current here's
what's left

700
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:26,400
to here's what the town of Middleborough
and its schools legally are entitled to

701
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:30,640
under Chapter 70.
After that,

702
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:34,720
if the state then has a shortfall, let
them raise taxes.

703
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:37,280
Let them do massive layoffs to make up
the difference.

704
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:40,840
I want to thank you, Madam Chairman,
members of the School Committee, and

705
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:45,320
I'll leave a copy of my remarks with the
secretary. I'm not asking for a vote or

706
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:49,560
anything. I've been to 19 different
communities with this exact statement.

707
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:53,280
This is somewhere between Paul
Paul Revere and Don Quixote.

708
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:58,800
Those children are counting on you
people to deliver for them. And I had

709
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:01,680
one thought that I would share with you,
that if you come to an override

710
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:06,440
situation,
how about we do this?

711
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:12,200
What if you the tax collector sent out a
tax bill to everybody in in town for

712
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:16,520
what Proposition 2 1/2 would allow you
to do, and then send them a separate

713
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:20,200
bill for how much the legislature
shortchanged you?

714
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:24,240
And maybe you could have an override
vote in November the same day that those

715
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:26,960
legislators are on the ballot. I want to
thank the committee for their time, and

716
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:30,400
good luck to the new members as well.
Thank you. Thank you.

717
00:53:31,502 --> 00:53:33,522
» [applause]

718
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:44,280
» Katie McMannamin again. Um just because
someone else had mentioned the PTA, that

719
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:50,640
kind of sparked Um, I'm on the Max PTA.
Um, so this Sunday, April 12th, from

720
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:54,880
11:00 a.m. until 8:00 p.m., Papa Gino's
in Middleboro will donate 20% of the

721
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:58,440
proceeds to the school.
Um, there's more information about that

722
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,400
kind of all over online or you could
certainly reach out to me and I'd be

723
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:05,000
happy to share with you.
Um, and if there's any parents

724
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:10,200
listening, um, just a reminder to sign
your child up for the dance-a-thon and

725
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:13,040
fun race. That's it. Thank you.
Thank you, Katie.

726
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,520
Anyone else?

727
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:25,560
Thank you all.
Um, all right. We will move on to

728
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:29,200
discussion items
uh

729
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:33,800
and to the superintendent's report.
Good evening. So, every year uh the

730
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:39,000
committee must
uh make a dis- uh decision on school

731
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:42,120
choice on have a discussion on that in
the spring.

732
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:45,600
Um, and you will need to have a public
hearing. We'll do that at the next

733
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:51,680
meeting.
Uh, you only have to have hold a public

734
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:55,480
hearing if you are going to say no to uh
school choice.

735
00:54:54,280 --> 00:55:01,080
So,
uh we currently are not uh school choice

736
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:04,720
and so last year they held a public
hearing

737
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:10,240
uh to vote that. We do have school
choice kids because in the past we were

738
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:14,920
uh open to school choice.
We have to have that open for siblings.

739
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:18,560
We do not have any siblings coming in
next year.

740
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:23,800
Um, so I just bring this as a discussion
item.

741
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:27,440
No vote tonight. And if you decide that
uh well, we'll hold the public hearing,

742
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:32,760
you'll vote either yay or nay on whether
we become school choice. Any questions

743
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:37,360
on that?
Do we have any

744
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:41,760
perspective
siblings coming in the future.

745
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:45,360
Like if we vote no and close the door
today,

746
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:49,640
would the siblings going forward not be
eligible? No, if the if a

747
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:55,160
there's just none
coming into the district next year, but

748
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:59,280
it it's grandfathered in for any student
in Celina.

749
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:03,840
» And and a decision is made each year, so
if a sibling was I mean have a new

750
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:08,280
student who wanted to come in each year,
we we take the vote based on what our

751
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:12,080
capacity is.
Pretty much correct? Correct.

752
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,640
Questions? Thoughts?

753
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:25,080
I thought I might see you again. Yeah,
this is a good one. No, I just have just

754
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:29,240
a couple of points that we're we're
talking about

755
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:33,160
RIFs with teachers,
um

756
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:37,560
which is going to bring up class sizes,
um increasing those.

757
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:42,080
So, if we're not replacing teachers that
are going to be laid off or we're not

758
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:45,080
replacing them in with vacancies, and
we're going to allow and I'm saying we

759
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:50,400
are or not, just saying if we allow
school choice, we're now increasing

760
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:53,320
those class sizes more.
Um

761
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:58,440
we don't know, you know, do we have a
ceiling? We We do have in the contracts

762
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:03,080
that we have class size we try to keep a
class size reasonable.

763
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:06,040
Um and you know, I'm not saying there's
100 kids who want to do school choice,

764
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,600
but
you know,

765
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:13,960
any kid above 24, 25, 26 in the
classroom is a lot.

766
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:17,640
So, a school choice could affect that.
Um is there a ceiling? Do we say like

767
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,280
right now we don't have we don't have
room, we don't have teachers, we don't

768
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,520
have
We don't have room in the inn right now,

769
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,280
right?
Um

770
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:29,560
so, you know, we also have a lot of
move-ins that are going to be coming in.

771
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:31,960
So, just thinking about that that
you know, if we're going to allow the

772
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:35,120
school choice, and there's money in
there, but will that school choice money

773
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:39,600
go to salaries?
To hire teachers, to help in the

774
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:44,600
classrooms when our class sizes do go
up, either through school choice or with

775
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:48,200
our movings that are coming. You know,
not just September, they're going to

776
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,760
come October, November, December. Um so,
just something to keep in mind, that's

777
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,360
all. Thank you.
Thank you. You want to make a comment?

778
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:57,280
Sure.
Yeah, they These are for out of district

779
00:57:55,840 --> 00:58:03,600
students.
Uh and the reason that the committee has

780
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:10,640
in the recent past voted no was exactly
for that, enrollment and and capacity.

781
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,640
It wasn't there, so we said no.

782
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:18,400
Thanks for that clarification, Mike.
Mhm.

783
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,400
Other questions about school choice?

784
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,800
And then, Mike, I assume you will be
bringing that back for for a vote?

785
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:27,640
» Public hearing, yes.
>> For a public hearing. Mhm. All right,

786
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,640
thank you.

787
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:34,920
Budget update? Yes, the next item is a
budget update. Um

788
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:39,680
this is a brief update, so for the new
members, uh I invite you to

789
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:45,720
set a meeting or try to get a hold of
me, set a meeting, so we can go over the

790
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:50,760
budget in detail. It is
quite lengthy and not for uh

791
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:54,440
a meeting here.
I will get you all the information, but

792
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:59,280
I would love to sit down individually
and go through it. But, um this is an

793
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:05,080
update we've been obviously going
through this for the last few months, so

794
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:09,640
I have a little PowerPoint here.
Um we normally uh set our budget with

795
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:14,640
our budget drivers, which are all the
things that we need uh to have a level

796
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:18,760
service budget,
which um

797
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:21,360
is our continuous district improvement
uh and the strategies that we use for

798
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:26,400
that.
We have to budget for fixed costs,

799
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:31,560
contractual um obligations, and salary
increases.

800
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:37,080
Uh special ed tuition and services, we
must uh budget for those.

801
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:42,160
The ever-changing technology.
Uh curriculum costs, we have a

802
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:47,320
uh item in our budget for a new ELA
program that we're discussing now.

803
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:50,840
Uh we do try to maintain lower class
sizes. We're struggling this year

804
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:56,720
because of funding,
but that is a goal uh and does drive our

805
00:59:53,760 --> 01:00:00,960
budget. And lastly, we must uh budget
for transportation for our students.

806
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:08,880
The three uh constraints that we find
when found when we're building this

807
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:14,160
budget uh was the special ed uh
increases.

808
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:19,640
Two, uh our alternative funding sources.
And we'll get into that if you're new

809
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:24,200
member, uh that may be a new concept.
That we have funds that are not

810
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:28,040
uh within the general fund that we use
to offset.

811
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:32,400
And last, um
as you heard the gentleman, we are

812
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:36,800
having the declining financial support
from the federal and state and local

813
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,800
levels.

814
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:45,760
So, constraint number one in special ed,
this is just a brief uh look at the last

815
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:52,240
4 years of our special ed out of
district tuition costs.

816
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:56,840
And you see how it rose from 23, 24
to the current budget that we're looking

817
01:00:53,760 --> 01:01:01,640
at, 26, 27, and almost doubled over that
4 years from 2.6 million

818
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:04,560
to almost 5 million.
In the middle column, we have the number

819
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:11,480
of students.
And uh you see that that isn't going up

820
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:17,880
in a great number, but the dollars are.
So, it's the cost of these tuitions that

821
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,880
are really uh going up.

822
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:25,840
Second constraint, uh Uh, as I said, we
have alternative funding sources. The

823
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:29,600
problem is we've been using those
uh, and we have brought them down.

824
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:35,640
Uh,
and so, um,

825
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:41,600
we have uh, facility rentals we reduced
by 650,000 that we used last year

826
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:46,600
uh, or the current year
that we won't be able to use next year.

827
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:50,360
Uh, our school choice we reduced by
112,000.

828
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:56,360
And then, um,
every year we look at the current budget

829
01:01:53,440 --> 01:02:00,280
to see if we have money, uh, this is a a
legal

830
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:04,120
um, payment that we could prepay
tuitions

831
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:08,560
uh, for next year if you have money at
the end of the year. And I um, that is

832
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:12,520
starting to look a little better. Uh, so
that is good news. I'm I'm trying to

833
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:18,120
keep an eye on that.
But last year we used 355,000.

834
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:23,360
We paid for tuitions for students
um, at the end of last year for this

835
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:27,400
current year. And hopefully, uh, as we
get closer, and we're almost there,

836
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:31,520
we'll have some more money. Right now I
have zero budgeted, but hopefully I can

837
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:35,560
put some towards that.
Which will help offset our deficit that

838
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:39,560
I'm going to get into
soon.

839
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:44,360
The last is the federal, state, and
local funding.

840
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:49,080
Uh, we had a grant, a migrant grant, uh,
and we fully expended that this year, so

841
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:51,400
that is gone.
Uh,

842
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:55,720
mentioned earlier again is our Chapter
70 funding funding is down

843
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:59,640
due to the assessments and charter
enrollment. Uh, so we need to keep an

844
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:02,120
eye on Chapter 70.
Um,

845
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:06,680
some more
maybe better news, we got a

846
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:11,800
uh, email from the state saying that
Title II and Title III

847
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:15,880
may come through with some funding.
So that 80,000 may be

848
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:20,680
lowered a little bit.
Uh, and then our federal grant

849
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:25,200
reductions in our title uh, grants,
title one and IDEA,

850
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:28,200
are to be reduced by we're projecting
82,000.

851
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:35,160
So, this is our original,
um,

852
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:39,240
uh,
level service budget. And it's broken

853
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,840
down, again, this is really high level
and this is why I'd like to meet with

854
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:47,240
the new members so I can get into a
little more detail than just two line

855
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:50,720
items for salaries and expenses.
Our salaries total,

856
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:55,040
uh, that we need for a level service
budget is 37.8

857
01:03:53,120 --> 01:04:00,520
million.
And our non-salary, our

858
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:06,920
expenses are 12.2 million.
And our total, uh, request is 50 million

859
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:10,640
uh, 57,431
dollars.

860
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:16,120
So, I go back to these offsets because
this is really where we,

861
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:21,600
uh, found our budget shortfall. Um,
last year we used, uh, and I won't go

862
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:27,280
through each and every, uh, line, but at
the bottom you see in fiscal 26 we had

863
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:31,920
the ability to use 6.7 million
to offset, um,

864
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:35,160
our budget
and lower that of what our request would

865
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:38,720
be.
And because we've drawn those down,

866
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:44,520
you'll see some zeros in the far column
in 27 because, as I said, prepaid

867
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:51,840
tuitions, the migrant grant are gone.
Um, and the facility, uh, rental

868
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:58,280
is, uh, gone down. So, we are only able
to use 5.2 million versus 6.7.

869
01:04:55,600 --> 01:05:02,760
Uh, and so that's a 1.5 million dollar
decrease in,

870
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:08,680
uh, funding uh, that we have outside of
our general fund.

871
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:13,240
So, if you take the, um, level service,
uh, budget that we've built, it's got 50

872
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:19,080
million, 57,000,
and you subtract what we are able to use

873
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:23,040
in the alternative funding sources of 5
million.

874
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:30,360
Our new request, again, this is level
service from last year for current year.

875
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:33,440
And we are um we would need 44 million
uh 836,262.

876
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:42,280
So, I bring that up to the top.
And the middle column is what we are

877
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:49,240
being allocated
locally, which is a 1.8 increase. Uh

878
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:55,480
you've I'm sure heard uh
the town is having uh similar funding

879
01:05:52,040 --> 01:06:01,720
issues like we are. Uh so, our number is
42 million 550,000.

880
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:06,240
Again, it's a 1.8 increase. So, from our
level service, what we need

881
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:11,240
to do exactly what we were doing this
year next year,

882
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:13,720
we have a shortfall of 2. almost 2.3
million.

883
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:22,920
As I said, we've been doing this for uh
almost 3 months now.

884
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:26,200
Uh and so, we've had different
uh iterations and changes as time goes

885
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:30,400
by and
uh as usual, uh the the longer we go,

886
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,560
the better
uh the budget looks and we get better

887
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:40,520
news. You always
uh have to be fiscally uh conservative

888
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:44,080
to start. Uh but, how to get that 2.2
million in the beginning was uh cuz it

889
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:48,200
was actually um
a different number. But, we were looking

890
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:56,360
at 29.5
position in reduction back in February.

891
01:06:53,640 --> 01:07:00,400
Um last month,
um with some different funding sources

892
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:07,000
um
and changes, we uh lowered the number

893
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:11,120
total positions of 24.5.
You could see the breakdown um in the

894
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:16,000
different areas.
Um and I also tried to see or look at

895
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:21,480
the historical of
attrition in those areas to hopefully um

896
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:24,680
we'll have attrition from now to the end
of the year.

897
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:28,720
And hopefully not
uh have to eliminate um

898
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:36,720
a lot of the positions will be
eliminated, but it won't be people.

899
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:42,440
So, uh most recently um
and tonight we're looking at

900
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:44,680
since we got some more news, um we were
able to use

901
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,720
uh
or find some more money on the

902
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:52,960
non-salary.
Uh and I also added a line you see a

903
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:57,320
blank down there for anticipated
vacancies.

904
01:07:54,560 --> 01:08:03,280
I did not have that knowledge on 212 or
39. And uh we picked up a couple that we

905
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:09,240
know are going to
materialize, so I added those.

906
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:13,920
Uh but the number total has gone to
23.5.

907
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:19,000
Uh so right now that is what we're
looking at in terms of positions. Uh

908
01:08:16,839 --> 01:08:21,240
along with the non
um

909
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:26,000
position non
people and the expenses that we were

910
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:30,799
able to reduce
and we're able to balance the budget

911
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:39,120
with that reduction.
So, if you take the the reduction of the

912
01:08:33,799 --> 01:08:43,200
2.3 that I talked about out of the total
uh request

913
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:50,120
uh we still have the offsets that didn't
change at 5.2 million. We do now balance

914
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:55,759
there to the 42,550,000
that was allocated locally.

915
01:08:53,279 --> 01:09:02,080
Not the greatest news, obviously, but
it's getting better and hopefully it'll

916
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:07,080
continue, but um in the next month
either way, we're going to have to uh

917
01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:12,279
vote a balanced budget to that for the
town meeting, which I believe now is

918
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:15,040
June 1. June 1st is the town meeting.
So, they giving you a deadline of when

919
01:09:13,839 --> 01:09:16,920
they need the budget for the town
meeting?

920
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:20,440
» have a I don't have a deadline. I was
given one

921
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:25,040
at least a couple of weeks, so I would
think

922
01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:29,040
that it would be prudent to vote
uh at the first meeting in May.

923
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:36,880
Okay.
Lastly, this is what you will

924
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:41,640
actually vote on uh is not that 42
million. You will vote on that, but it's

925
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:44,920
the total operating budget
uh cuz there's a number of things that

926
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:50,120
go into this, so there's a separate
transportation budget that the town sets

927
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:55,240
aside, and that's the 4.4 million that
you see uh on the second line.

928
01:09:52,799 --> 01:10:00,680
Um, and then
uh the next three lines really at are

929
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:04,640
the offsets, and they add up to that 5.2
million. It's just a different way I

930
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:08,200
broke it out because the circuit breaker
is such a large amount for the 3

931
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:13,440
million.
And the IDEA is another million.

932
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:19,440
Uh and then the other all the other ones
at the 1.2, 1.3, those three lines add

933
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:23,000
up to that 5.2 million that I mentioned
earlier on the offsets. So, our total

934
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:29,960
budget,
what we spend, is the 52.2 million,

935
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:36,160
and at the meeting, that is the number
that you will vote, but it does include

936
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:40,040
the operating budget of 42 550, which is
what you'll see on at town meeting.

937
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:47,080
And with that, and again, this is
kind of a high level.

938
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:52,600
Uh so, I do want to meet with everybody
who's interested in getting into

939
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:55,800
much more detail cuz it is 52 million,
and I kind of did it in 5 or 10 minutes,

940
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:59,760
so.
Uh but I will take any questions.

941
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:03,960
anybody has. Do will um everyone have
access to the um

942
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:07,360
get the new folks access into the budget
line items?

943
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:10,840
Yeah, so when I when I upload the um
because it did change a little bit. It's

944
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:16,400
online right now, but I want to I'll
have uh Shawn uh upload the new.

945
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:21,120
And that's what I'll go over with the
new members if they'd like to. It's

946
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:24,840
uh but that'll be online.
Uh

947
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:28,280
and then I could go over that and back
up to

948
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:30,800
uh this presentation.
Uh

949
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:35,000
if that is uh
the wish of the new members or

950
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:37,200
current members if you
Want to refresh

951
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,240
» nothing to do and you want to become a
new

952
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:46,200
Chris, did I see you moving toward the
mic?

953
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:49,880
Yeah, just so
um things of have obviously improved a

954
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:56,080
little bit.
But if things improve in the future

955
01:11:53,200 --> 01:12:00,920
one of the priorities would be retaining
student-facing staff. Correct.

956
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:00,920
Yes.

957
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,720
Other questions or thoughts from the
board?

958
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:13,720
Uh difficult situation.
Uh

959
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:17,800
one thing though I think that uh
Mike did not

960
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:24,440
underscore enough.
And that is that um yes, because of the

961
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:28,880
town's circumstances, they came back
and um

962
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:34,640
gave him a number that was 300 400
>> 400 400,000 less than the original

963
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:38,680
number that we were given. We were given
a number

964
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:42,800
then it went up
and it went up again.

965
01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:46,880
And this is 400,000 less than the first
number.

966
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:49,640
And I really do want to give uh So,
Chris and I are on the budget

967
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:54,160
subcommittee.
Uh and so we meet with him on a regular

968
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:57,360
basis, um
getting his thoughts on the details and

969
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:03,680
um
providing questions that we've heard in

970
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:08,480
various from various people and
uh to get clarifications. And I really

971
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:14,160
do want to give uh Mike the credit he's
due of how he is really trying to work

972
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:21,120
this budget as best he can under very
difficult situations and in that 400,000

973
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:24,800
it did not So you saw that number of um
positions

974
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:28,720
didn't that were going to be eliminated
didn't go up with the 400,000. As a

975
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:34,880
matter of fact, it's come down.
And um that is a much credit to the work

976
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:37,440
that he's been doing.
Thank you, Mike.

977
01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:41,800
All right. Anybody else here first?

978
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:50,880
Hello. Hi folks, how we doing tonight?
Um I want to say uh hi again to um the

979
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:54,600
school committee members. So I've spoken
to quite a bit. Um welcome

980
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:59,520
» provide your name first, please?
>> sorry. I'm Alexa Sparrows. Uh Weir

981
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:04,880
Street and also a first grade teacher at
the Mary K. Gould. I also hate the

982
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:08,560
feedback, so forgive me if I'm speaking
a little close um

983
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:15,160
speaking a little bit slow because of
just the echo. Um so I'm here with a

984
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:22,560
couple of questions. Um the first being
the new number that the town came back

985
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:27,080
with. Um does this is this
is this it basically? Or is there a

986
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:32,520
chance that they could come back
to us saying there's even a greater

987
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:37,080
shortfall? Not that I want that, but I
didn't know if that was a possibility. I

988
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:42,720
think it's always a possibility, but I'm
confident that we have our number. Okay,

989
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:48,600
as I cross my fingers. Um the second
thing is I noticed I can't remember what

990
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:54,720
the name of the slide was, but when you
were going over the facilities rental,

991
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:57,720
it was
$715,000.

992
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:06,240
I'm assuming that was So, of course, it
was fiscal year 26. Is that

993
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:10,120
funding that we had gotten as a school
district?

994
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:15,880
That is the money that we receive when
we rent the buildings for any

995
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:21,400
outside usage. Okay. I just I hope I'm
not echoing someone else's comments.

996
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:25,880
Previously, forgive me if I did.
But, it seems like we got a substantial

997
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:34,480
amount of money
from fiscal year 26, and I'm looking to

998
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:42,080
fiscal year 27 as $84,000.
That's That's $631,000

999
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:49,760
lost. So, I was just curious as to
how we lost that rental. Is this the

1000
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:55,400
pool at the complex? Is it other things?
This is not

1001
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:59,880
revenue in. Okay. This is expense. Okay.
So, this year we spent $715,000.

1002
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:04,720
I can't do that again next year.
>> No, no, no, no, no, no. I understand. I

1003
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:09,040
wasn't sure if that was money that we
got as a rental fee or, you know, if

1004
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:15,920
people rented our facilities.
Originally, that account

1005
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:20,800
was close to a million dollars. Oh, wow.
And we

1006
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:24,720
And we allocated and spent 750. Okay.
So, now I'm down to like two, and I

1007
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:28,560
can't
I want to be conservative and not drain

1008
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:31,840
it Yes.
>> totally. I understand. No, I was just

1009
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:34,960
clarifying question. I didn't understand
it, so I apologize. No, that's not a

1010
01:16:33,480 --> 01:16:39,560
problem. Thanks.
Another thing is, when we were looking

1011
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:45,400
at anticipated vacancies, if I could
please see that slide.

1012
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,400
Thank you. Mhm.

1013
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:57,880
Okay, so um I do see the journey. I do
see how fortunately we started at 23

1014
01:16:54,800 --> 01:17:01,480
positions down to 14 as teachers and
then

1015
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:05,880
um of course the total number is 29 and
1/2 back in February and now 23 and 1/2.

1016
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:11,800
Um
so my question is for clarification,

1017
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:14,920
when you have 14,
I'm assuming full-time

1018
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:21,440
positions
um and then you have average attrition

1019
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:26,280
15. Is that 14
including the

1020
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:32,520
including the attrition or is it
potentially could be lower?

1021
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:35,360
So,
actually

1022
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:42,920
there's
we're proposing 14 positions and

1023
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:47,200
normally we lose 15. Okay. However,
it doesn't normally

1024
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:51,440
unfortunately doesn't normally work out
that

1025
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:55,880
those 14 are the ones that are
being proposed to be reduced.

1026
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:59,920
There's so many different things with
certifications and grade levels and

1027
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:02,560
different things like that. It's just to
give an idea that

1028
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:08,720
with
with 15 um

1029
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:14,560
normally in a year in attrition
that 14 could be

1030
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:20,200
much less in terms of people
versus positions. So, that's good news.

1031
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:25,160
But if they all hopefully fall out the
right way, we'd be in good shape.

1032
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:28,400
And my question is what were the
anticipated vacancies?

1033
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:33,600
Um
are they a specific I I I don't feel

1034
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:36,920
comfortable Got it. No, I'm sorry. I
don't mean to put you in a position. I

1035
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:40,600
just didn't know if it was like uh,
could potentially

1036
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:46,160
be teachers. So, that's why I was just
curious. Um, the second thing is, maybe

1037
01:18:43,480 --> 01:18:51,160
the third, I lost count. Um,
the ELA curriculum, I know a lot of

1038
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:56,240
folks, um, in education know this,
general public don't. There's the Prism

1039
01:18:53,600 --> 01:19:02,040
grant. Um, I know we're hopefully
looking into grant funding to help

1040
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:06,880
supplement the cost of, um,
of our ELA curriculum. Um, forgive me if

1041
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:11,200
I'm incorrect in the number, but was it
$200,000

1042
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:18,120
that was budgeted for curriculum?
Correct. Okay. So, my question is, if

1043
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:21,720
potential,
um,

1044
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:25,880
we purchase an ELA curriculum that
everybody agrees is of the highest

1045
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:31,120
quality for our students,
um, that also includes books and not all

1046
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:33,160
on a screen.
Um,

1047
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:37,440
my
question is,

1048
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:44,560
let's say we get that grant money. I've
heard it doesn't cover the entire cost.

1049
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:50,520
Um, but could that money, if we're given
that grant, potentially be rolled back

1050
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:53,280
into, say, a job or two?
That's already been taken into account.

1051
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:57,200
Okay.
>> Um, and so, we have some,

1052
01:19:56,200 --> 01:20:00,200
um,
of those,

1053
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:05,320
um,
non-general fund, the offsets. Mhm. We

1054
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:10,200
have some more money there, but I I went
back to this slide because

1055
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:15,400
I cut title two and title three grants,
eliminated 80,000. Mhm. We got word we

1056
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:20,120
might get that, and that can be used for
the ELA program, also. So, I'm Things

1057
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:25,000
are looking better. Okay, wonderful. I'm
glad to hear that. Um, I know ELA

1058
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:30,400
curriculum is not on the docket, but I
just want to say thank you for, um,

1059
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:35,120
having the committee to look at the ELA
curriculum. Um, I wish it was done in

1060
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:39,880
the very beginning because I think it
would have saved a lot of time and

1061
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:46,560
effort and we could have made some very
good decisions early on.

1062
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:52,120
And as a first grade teacher, I want my
children, my students, both my children

1063
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:55,880
who I gave birth to and the students I
teach

1064
01:20:53,240 --> 01:21:01,120
to have an ELA curriculum that's being
taught with books in front of them and

1065
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:05,040
not on a screen. So I'm just putting
that little plug in.

1066
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:15,040
And then the last thing is that
transportation budget that we have

1067
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:19,760
that is a separate budget, correct?
>> Correct. Okay.

1068
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:25,200
For those folks who
weren't aware, this is not myself

1069
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:30,000
praising myself just to make you and the
public aware.

1070
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:35,680
I went with three fantastic educators to
the Ways and Means Joint Committee and

1071
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:40,960
and also other folks that support us
too.

1072
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:47,040
And one of my colleagues who spoke did
bring up the issue with transportation

1073
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:52,920
costs. It's funny when we stop and look
at it. When you have regional school

1074
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:57,040
districts, they get 80% of their
transportation costs funded simply

1075
01:21:55,480 --> 01:22:03,680
because they're regional school
district. If you consider the size of

1076
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:10,160
Middleborough, how big we are, our town
alone is almost even bigger than some of

1077
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:15,800
these regional school districts. So we
took it to the state level. hoping that

1078
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:20,680
they do listen. There were over 100
folks that spoke there from school

1079
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:25,800
districts across the state and other
people who just support us. It'd be

1080
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:30,000
amazing to see if
they rethought things and helped us out

1081
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:33,480
with the budget on the transportation
among other things.

1082
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:37,080
Um so, thank you for answering my
questions.

1083
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:41,960
Um thank you again to everybody who
takes their time to do what they have to

1084
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:47,040
do as a school committee member. Mike,
thank you. I know you've been thrown a

1085
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:49,800
lot and I know probably dread seeing me
come up to the microphone.

1086
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:54,320
» Not at all.
But, you know, if there's there's no ill

1087
01:22:52,200 --> 01:23:00,760
will, I promise you. I just ask hard
questions as a parent and a teacher. So,

1088
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:03,160
thank you. Um have a good night, guys.
Thank you.

1089
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:13,520
Sandy Smiley, 15 Spencer Street.
And um I'm a former special education

1090
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:19,320
teacher. I have uh taught in very, very
rural districts, so I totally understand

1091
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:24,000
the concept of
Middleborough being such a large space

1092
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:28,720
and how transportation
can literally, not to use a pun, um but

1093
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:34,520
I'll use it, drive the bus
um in terms of budgeting. I've also

1094
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:40,440
worked in a large metropolitan school
district that had the audacity and

1095
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:46,240
foolhardiness to think, "Ooh, we'll save
on transportation by putting all of the

1096
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:50,920
kids at their home school, whether that
building is accessible to a child that

1097
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:56,280
uses a wheelchair or not." And that
lasted about 20 minutes um and caused a

1098
01:23:54,520 --> 01:24:00,800
great deal of problems. So, I know that
is a huge

1099
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:06,120
um not very easily controlled. So, I
hope the state does pay attention. My

1100
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:12,600
question has to do with special
education. When I have come to your

1101
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:18,160
board meetings, your committee meetings,
and listened to reports from the

1102
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:25,400
departments, I've been
amazed and really impressed by the level

1103
01:24:21,480 --> 01:24:29,840
of both human support that you have
budgeted for and provided and

1104
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:34,560
um
software and other kind of program

1105
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:39,240
support at um
materials and things.

1106
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:44,240
So my question is I was really surprised
when I saw

1107
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:50,320
that one large chunk of increases was
because of out-of-district special

1108
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:56,720
education students. I understand how
those other places can be

1109
01:24:53,480 --> 01:25:00,640
making their their costs go up and that
we can't control that.

1110
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:07,440
But I was surprised at the number of
students and I realize 33 is a very

1111
01:25:04,440 --> 01:25:13,440
small number in terms of the total
number of students, but I mean we had to

1112
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:18,920
twist arms, legs, and practically, you
know, hog-tie people to get any student

1113
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:24,240
allowed to go out of district. So I'm
just curious

1114
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:29,360
not breaking confidentiality, but
what is the nature of the kind of

1115
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:32,560
out-of-school placement? Just to kind of
educate myself.

1116
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:37,880
There's a number of them. I'm not
uh

1117
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:42,480
well-versed in that. I can get you that
information. Uh I will tell you that we

1118
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:45,280
are
main focus is to

1119
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:50,600
uh
limit those and keep the students here.

1120
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:57,960
Mhm. Um so we are working on that. It
has been a major focus, but um the

1121
01:25:54,040 --> 01:26:03,480
disabilities range from all all kinds.
Uh but I can I can uh and I think we did

1122
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:08,560
have a presentation for our from our
acting uh sped director uh who went

1123
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:12,800
through all those and and we can go
through that again, but I I I don't I

1124
01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:16,840
can't comment on Okay. a lot of those.
If I could add to that um because it was

1125
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:21,320
for the budget subcommittee, it was uh
that uh we asked the same question

1126
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:26,160
immediately. Um if that was a place that
we might be able to bring students in

1127
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:31,040
and the information that was shared of
the extensive nature of the

1128
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:35,160
disabilities, it it's not because we're
not using the right methodology or

1129
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:39,480
something like that. It's not that at
all. It's something is more

1130
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:43,280
all-inclusive that to set that kind of
environment up to

1131
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:47,520
meet the needs of that student in this
district would cost more for

1132
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:55,320
that student than it would be to send
them off to another place. So, um

1133
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:58,160
I I believe after after listening to the
um

1134
01:26:56,280 --> 01:27:02,040
the discussion, that it's not a place
that we would be able to bring students

1135
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:05,280
back into the system.
Thank you. Thanks, Anne.

1136
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:17,280
My question is on the facilities. Do we
have a

1137
01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:20,760
school committee subcommittee on
facility rentals, Mike? Yes, we do.

1138
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:24,560
Okay.
Big different about $700,000 difference

1139
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:28,920
there. Um
we have all all kinds of basketball

1140
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:33,520
programs in town, dance recitals in
town. Um where are the kids going if

1141
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:36,680
they're not renting our facilities? We
have baseball starting up, right? We

1142
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:41,800
have all Oh, no, we're we're renting our
facilities. We have We have the balance

1143
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:47,240
up to 1.2 million in there. We started
using it more than what we were bringing

1144
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:51,120
in and we can see No longer doing it.
All right. So, the facility rentals

1145
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:54,760
aren't covering themselves, then. Oh,
no.

1146
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:57,720
I'm sorry, say that again?
So, in other words, we're renting

1147
01:27:56,120 --> 01:28:01,600
facilities, but we're not making enough
money to cover the cost of renting those

1148
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:06,840
facilities.
No, I wouldn't say that. We We are

1149
01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:12,040
paying
We were paying for some salaries out of

1150
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:18,600
facilities rental.
Um and so, as I said, we did the balance

1151
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:21,960
was up to a million, and over the last
couple of years, we were paying for

1152
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:25,640
salaries that used to be paid out of
general fund.

1153
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:29,200
So, we were
paying for those,

1154
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:33,240
and now we can no longer do that. I have
to move those people back to the general

1155
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:37,600
fund.
All right. So, is that money then

1156
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:40,800
that money kind of accumulated then over
the years and paid and now we've hit the

1157
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:45,280
bottom
and it just it looks like we're making

1158
01:28:42,440 --> 01:28:50,040
like we're making $700,000 in facility
rentals, but we're not. That's a that's

1159
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:54,240
many years that have accumulated. We
were able to take out of it, but now

1160
01:28:51,480 --> 01:28:57,320
it's Correct. kind of zeroed itself out
and we're just I wouldn't say zero. I

1161
01:28:56,160 --> 01:29:00,000
wouldn't allow it to go
>> not zero.

1162
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:02,896
I got to leave something in there. Yeah,
yeah. [laughter]

1163
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:04,916
All right. Well, thank you. Yep.
>> [clears throat]

1164
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:14,360
» Mike, just a touch. So, it wasn't the
715 in one year. That was built up and

1165
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:18,560
we had delayed some of the payment we're
feeling now by using those one-time

1166
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:21,320
payments going forward.
Correct. Okay.

1167
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:27,160
Anything else for Mike?

1168
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:35,720
Okay. Moving on.
We ask about subcommittees. That's next

1169
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:38,520
on the agenda.
Um,

1170
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:42,840
so, again,
the agenda that was

1171
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:47,360
uh,
this is the topic that's typically on

1172
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:52,080
the agenda for right after we have the
elections of what the the subcommittees

1173
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:54,760
are are and
who might serve.

1174
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:59,960
Uh,
so, in your packet, you'll see there is

1175
01:29:56,720 --> 01:30:04,320
a list of our current subcommittees and
who up until

1176
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:09,000
the time of the elections, who has
served on it.

1177
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:12,160
Uh, you'll see I'll just quickly, um,
read this the

1178
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:16,600
that we've referred to many times
already this evening,

1179
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:20,160
uh, which Shannon and Jess served on,
um, lots of time that's been spent

1180
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:24,960
because our policies hadn't been
reviewed for many years. Uh,

1181
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:29,040
it's very important because it's uh,
there are many laws that we have to that

1182
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:34,080
are always changing that we have to make
sure, uh, are incorporated into our

1183
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:39,280
policies. Uh, very important and
detailed information that has to be

1184
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:45,840
discussed and, um, and then language
written that then goes to legal,

1185
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:51,520
uh, and then comes here for our, um,
review and decisions.

1186
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:56,880
Next is a We ended up during the year
last year because when Zeke left and we

1187
01:30:54,440 --> 01:31:02,000
went down to a smaller committee, so we
were a committee of five. Um, so, um,

1188
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:04,840
populating all of these subcommittees
was, uh,

1189
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:10,360
was not easy.
Uh, so, we combined to the master plan,

1190
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:14,480
facilities and equipment, uh,
subcommittee, which Alan chaired and I

1191
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:20,000
was on.
Uh, we did not get to the master plan.

1192
01:31:16,440 --> 01:31:24,000
We worked, uh, predominantly on, uh,
looking into questions about the

1193
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:27,880
facilities that came up in a variety of
different ways.

1194
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:33,440
Uh, public and student relations, that
was Chris and I, but, uh, because we

1195
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:36,880
were also on the budget,
uh, as well as others, uh, there are

1196
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:40,800
some things that we did regarding
communication and it was something that

1197
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:45,280
was a definitely a priority that came
out of our retreat last year, but,

1198
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:49,640
uh, it is not one that we made a lot of
progress on.

1199
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:55,160
Uh, and you'll see underneath there what
what the intent was for that committee.

1200
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:58,640
Uh, budget committee.
Again, you've heard a lot about that.

1201
01:31:56,480 --> 01:32:03,560
That was Chris and I.
Uh, negotiations.

1202
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:10,600
Uh, we have a variety of different uh,
unions that we need to do negotiations

1203
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:14,760
with and we need to have
typically two people at those

1204
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:19,920
negotiations.
Sometimes if it's a

1205
01:32:16,480 --> 01:32:25,840
small one we can get by with one.
And that was Jess and Chris.

1206
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:29,640
And then superintendent evaluation
that was

1207
01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:36,360
Jess and Shannon.
Last year when we populated these we did

1208
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:40,400
it originally last summer. We did a
retreat. We determined

1209
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:44,840
we did it a bit of a self-assessment. We
determined goals and priorities and from

1210
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:49,480
that came
what the individual

1211
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:51,840
committees were and what their charge
was.

1212
01:32:50,480 --> 01:32:56,520
And then
the chair

1213
01:32:53,360 --> 01:33:01,960
reached out and asked people
what where they wish to serve and then

1214
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:06,560
these were populated in that way.
In thinking about where we are now

1215
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:09,600
um
again um

1216
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:14,560
uh
where we have our all our new members

1217
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:18,240
uh
a thought that I have and I'm I'm just

1218
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:22,640
putting this out as a thought
uh and then

1219
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:26,640
whatever the wish of the board is
um

1220
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:30,920
I do think that we might want to
wait until we have the retreat to

1221
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:34,520
formally go through things again this
you know if we did it early this summer

1222
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:37,440
and then
um

1223
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:42,080
really get a sense of what you might
want to serve on.

1224
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:46,000
Uh though there are some that are of
immediate need

1225
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:50,640
uh and
Mikey you know or anyone else who can

1226
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:55,760
help me
if you think I am misstating

1227
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:58,320
um
policy and protocols

1228
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:03,920
uh
we have Shannon and we

1229
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:07,560
and Jess is not with us any longer and
Shannon might not

1230
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:12,600
be with us
uh in physically for a little while.

1231
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:12,600
Um

1232
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:19,680
I know we just spoke about wanting to to
look at

1233
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:23,880
uh the policies.
I do wonder this is, you know, ideal and

1234
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:29,360
reality.
Um not having someone here immediately

1235
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:33,240
to help with whomever else wants to
serve on that board, I wonder if we can

1236
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:37,400
put it on the given
that we're also looking at uh suspending

1237
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:41,320
uh
the one that we really want to take a

1238
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:46,760
look at first, I wonder if we can hold
on that one until uh the end of the

1239
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:50,480
school season and then uh you're able to
look at that along with some other ones.

1240
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:55,040
Uh
master plan and facilities,

1241
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:55,040
uh

1242
01:34:55,440 --> 01:35:01,520
actually, Mike, I know that you uh there
are some things that are coming up that

1243
01:34:59,880 --> 01:35:04,040
we need to discuss immediately. Is that
true?

1244
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:08,280
Yes.
Um so that is one that we're going to

1245
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:14,080
need to think of quickly to populate a
second person on that subcommittee or or

1246
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:16,760
the first person, which is me.
Um

1247
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:23,040
public and student relations, again,
even though that's something we want to

1248
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:26,080
we know we want to do, I do wonder if
that is one that we can hold till the

1249
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:28,480
summer or where we have some time to
regroup.

1250
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:33,080
Uh
budget, I think Chris and I can continue

1251
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:36,400
on budget. Uh
just on the subcommittee, everything

1252
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:41,600
comes back to the committee anyway,
and finish that.

1253
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:45,520
Negotiations is one.
Uh you told me was that was a stipends

1254
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:48,840
one?
That's not like a Is that a different

1255
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:54,480
subcommittee? Stipends? Is it something
else? I can't Um it's not a

1256
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:58,440
subcommittee. It's just
uh we need a

1257
01:35:56,520 --> 01:36:02,000
committee member
on

1258
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:07,440
when they talk about
stipends either athletics or for

1259
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:12,200
non-extracurricular.
Um, and so they meet it it

1260
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:15,400
they don't meet that often we have in
the past few years cuz they've totally

1261
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:20,040
revamped it.
Um, so it's not a

1262
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:23,200
heavy lift, but we do need one rep
>> There's not enough there. And the next

1263
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:28,920
time that group would be meeting would
be It was yesterday. We couldn't do it

1264
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:32,640
cuz it was Jess.
Uh, so they moved it to next month.

1265
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:37,880
Okay.
Um, and as far as negotiations we are we

1266
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:42,920
done with any negotiations that need to
be done for the rest of the school year?

1267
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:49,360
No, we have uh we just got a notice to
start food service.

1268
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:49,360
I'm sorry. Food service. Okay.

1269
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:58,280
And that will finish it up.
And superintendent evaluation um won't

1270
01:36:55,520 --> 01:37:03,000
begin until next year.
Uh, so my thought is

1271
01:37:00,440 --> 01:37:06,320
at the next meeting given this
uh that

1272
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:11,640
And is that too late for the stipends
and negotiation one

1273
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:15,640
to populate that sub those subcommittees
if we wait till next the next meeting?

1274
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:23,160
Um,
I if someone if someone would just be

1275
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:27,600
available for the stipend
uh it doesn't have to be a

1276
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:31,640
uh a standard Okay.
And we can maybe we can talk about that

1277
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:37,240
after this And I can work with them as
to when someone would be available and

1278
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:37,240
we could go from there.

1279
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:45,200
Uh, so we would be and the uh when we
need

1280
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:49,440
a a group for you to meet with about
facilities, when does that need to

1281
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:54,040
exist?
That one's

1282
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:56,880
immediate. Okay.
Uh

1283
01:37:55,040 --> 01:38:00,440
can it wait till the next meeting or do
you need it tonight?

1284
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:03,320
It could wait I think till the next
meeting. I'm meeting with the attorney

1285
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:08,920
tomorrow morning
um to start the conversation what I'll

1286
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:08,920
bring back to the committee.

1287
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:18,800
And negotiations
Chris, are you still on negotiations?

1288
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:23,800
I can't. Uh so yeah, uh two chairs ago
put me on negotiations and then the

1289
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:27,120
previous chair informed me that legal
um

1290
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:33,440
told me that I could not participate as
a member of MTA.

1291
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:38,520
So I was replaced with Al. Okay.
And so do we need that person now?

1292
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:44,040
Tonight? For this one, yes, because uh
food service is connected to that. So

1293
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:46,560
but if it were a custodial or the admin
assistants

1294
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:50,960
uh
Chris could sit on that one or those

1295
01:38:48,480 --> 01:38:55,040
two, but the ones
uh with the ESPs, food and teachers,

1296
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:58,840
he's not
uh

1297
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:58,840
able to do that.

1298
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:05,680
Okay.
Um so this is my thought. I don't know

1299
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:11,520
if we can do this this evening.
Um if it is okay with the board

1300
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:16,840
uh that I speak with individuals and see
if we can just temporarily fill these

1301
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:22,360
positions until we um regroup uh this
summer and um and more formally set up

1302
01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:25,080
our subcommittees. So I'm open to any
other idea.

1303
01:39:27,440 --> 01:39:32,760
Yes. So if I may, so just with the
suspending of that policy for this

1304
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:37,960
evening, obviously it needs to be
reviewed on the next agenda.

1305
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:40,880
Um so with that, are you going to review
put it on the agenda as such that it's

1306
01:39:39,480 --> 01:39:45,520
noted that we did review it and was
suspended for this meeting, but we will

1307
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:51,080
put that on hold until there is a
redistribution of the subcommittees.

1308
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:55,840
Correct. I put the review on hold and
and revisit the suspension each um each

1309
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:59,960
meeting. So, the 3-minute rule will
stand until the subcommittees developed

1310
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:02,600
and has had a moment to review the
policy. Okay.

1311
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:06,600
Other thoughts?

1312
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:13,360
Okay, next
Are you moving to your

1313
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:17,920
your Sorry, I I understand why it needs
to be suspended, but then every meeting

1314
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:22,600
I'm not suspended, tabled, but every
meeting will suspend it or vote to

1315
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:24,960
suspend it. Okay. Yes.
Okay.

1316
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:29,040
Okay. Mhm.
Okay.

1317
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:32,880
All right.
That is the end of the subcommittee, but

1318
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:35,280
you're going to be hearing from me.
Um

1319
01:40:36,440 --> 01:40:41,280
All right. Next on the agenda

1320
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:52,200
is the superintendent search.
Um you know, probably the two most

1321
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:56,960
important items
uh that we are working through right now

1322
01:40:54,720 --> 01:41:00,360
is the budget and the superintendent
search.

1323
01:40:58,120 --> 01:41:03,200
Uh I don't think that typically, though
I've not been on the school committee

1324
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:07,960
long,
that um the first meeting of the new

1325
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:12,840
board has uh
uh

1326
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:17,800
heavy lift items on the agenda, but
because of the importance of the

1327
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:23,560
the superintendent search
uh and some pressing

1328
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:28,520
um decisions that we need to make, uh
we really needed to dig in on this one.

1329
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:35,440
So, in your packet
you will find clipped

1330
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:39,360
uh together uh three different
timelines.

1331
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:43,760
Uh and let me give you a little context
for it. Um, at our last school committee

1332
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:50,120
meeting,
um, at the very end of it, um, we were

1333
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:53,320
given the superintendent
uh,

1334
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:59,600
what is now labeled the original
superintendent search timeline revised.

1335
01:41:56,560 --> 01:42:03,400
Uh, it had been revised, um,
when it was given to us, but it's the

1336
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:10,000
original one that we had we received at
that time.

1337
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:13,920
Um, when we had, uh, Shawn Costello from
MAS came and did the presentation on the

1338
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:21,600
superintendent search,
uh, we had told him, uh, that we really

1339
01:42:17,440 --> 01:42:25,920
wanted to, uh, expedite the search,
uh, and, uh,

1340
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:35,320
have a superintendent in place for the
upcoming year, and he was given a

1341
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:40,120
deadline, um, of July 1st to have,
um, the superintendent, the new

1342
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:43,320
superintendent begin the tenure.
Uh,

1343
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:48,560
and and that was something everybody
wanted, uh, when we had first talked

1344
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:52,720
about doing the superintendent search
back in,

1345
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:56,920
I don't know, Mike, when
when did we know we wanted to launch the

1346
01:42:54,920 --> 01:43:00,240
search back in, I don't remember the
dates, I think January or February,

1347
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:05,560
February.
Um, we we thought that that was doable,

1348
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:10,440
but because of circumstances of when we
closed, um, our relationship with the

1349
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:14,200
past superintendent, that got pushed
back.

1350
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:19,520
Um, and as a result, we ended up with
the timeline that you have in front of

1351
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:24,880
you that says, um, the original.
When, um, those of us that were on the

1352
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:28,800
committee at the time afterwards started
looking at it, there were a few of us

1353
01:43:26,440 --> 01:43:32,400
that began looking at the dates and
wondering whether or not it was

1354
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:38,560
reasonable,
um, for us to accomplish all of this

1355
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:43,800
knowing that
it was of utmost important to us that we

1356
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:50,240
get community input, that we get
stakeholder input, the teachers, the

1357
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:56,200
staff, all various kinds of input. Um
and that we wanted it to go smoothly.

1358
01:43:53,640 --> 01:44:00,560
Um if you've been involved in searches
before, you know,

1359
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:05,040
you set times and dates but they never
stay exactly where they are. Often it

1360
01:44:02,440 --> 01:44:07,800
gets moved back. And we didn't want to
miss uh

1361
01:44:06,440 --> 01:44:11,280
at least I will speak for myself. I
didn't want to see us misstepping

1362
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:14,800
because we were trying to get it done by
July 1st.

1363
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:18,680
Um
so on

1364
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:21,840
on [clears throat]
Sunday

1365
01:44:20,240 --> 01:44:28,600
well, maybe it was Monday.
Um when I realized I would be at least

1366
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:36,640
starting this meeting. Um I reached out
to Sean uh Costello and said, uh can we

1367
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:40,200
look at pushing the What about What if
we push the

1368
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:44,920
uh start date for the new
the new superintendent back to August

1369
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:50,440
1st? At least give us a little
uh wiggle room cuz if you see on the

1370
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:57,000
original one, so for example um
we it says April 2nd uh a designee meets

1371
01:44:54,320 --> 01:45:02,240
with the consultant to confirm deadline,
set up the schedule for focus groups on

1372
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:06,920
approving survey and determine the
scree- screening committee composition

1373
01:45:04,440 --> 01:45:13,680
and recruit plan which just
appropriately did, but we've not really

1374
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:19,760
had time to look at any of that. Um
and then according to this timeline, we

1375
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:25,240
would be starting online surveys on the
between the 6th and the 15th. Well,

1376
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:29,880
today, you know, we're already behind.
Um and then on the 10th,

1377
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:34,320
which is tomorrow,
um, start recruiting volunteers for the

1378
01:45:32,120 --> 01:45:38,880
screening committee. So, it already felt
like we were falling behind and that it

1379
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:43,800
was it felt
I will tell you Monday it felt very

1380
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:47,480
overwhelming. So, uh, I did contact
Shawn and asked for that, um, August

1381
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:51,600
1st.
And so, you will see,

1382
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:56,360
um,
that you have another

1383
01:45:54,080 --> 01:46:01,080
timeline, which I've now pulled all my
stuff

1384
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:09,200
uh, apart. Hold on.
You have another timeline that's behind

1385
01:46:03,480 --> 01:46:09,200
that that says with the August 1st.

1386
01:46:09,480 --> 01:46:17,880
When he gave that to me, he his initial
I said, "Would that work?" And he said,

1387
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:20,880
"I have to tell you." Well, first I
asked him if we could go to September

1388
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:24,480
1st.
And he said, "So, you're just not going

1389
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:29,880
to get the candidates that you want if
you go to a September 1st date. Um, they

1390
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:34,240
they will already have gone and and
taken positions."

1391
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:38,320
Um, and I said, "Well, okay. How about
August 1st?" And he said, "Yes, you

1392
01:46:36,480 --> 01:46:44,080
would have a you'd have a better pool
there if it was September 1st."

1393
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:49,240
Um, but not an ideal pool because of how
late it is in the season that people are

1394
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:53,840
already ready to move on.
And he came back to me with a

1395
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:57,360
another suggestion, which you will see
behind it.

1396
01:46:55,520 --> 01:47:01,240
And that is
he said, "I really believe, um,

1397
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:05,320
and then he
called me back again.

1398
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:10,000
Oh, no, he emailed me and said that he
talked to his colleagues later about our

1399
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:15,080
circumstance, and our circumstance being
where we are,

1400
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:18,880
many new, um, members of of the board,
um, that haven't been in the

1401
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:24,000
conversations about this,
um, that we have the positions that are

1402
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:30,400
open in leadership
um or in interim positions.

1403
01:47:26,440 --> 01:47:35,360
I he recommended that we consider
hiring an interim

1404
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:40,560
um superintendent
and starting the for a year

1405
01:47:38,440 --> 01:47:46,240
and starting the
um search for the permanent

1406
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:50,120
superintendent end of September.
Um

1407
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:53,400
with the goal of having that person be
in place

1408
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:59,960
at the ideal time next year, which would
be July 1st.

1409
01:47:55,440 --> 01:48:04,760
Uh so um I said that I would bring that
to this group, which is uh I know that

1410
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:09,600
this is a lot um for our first time
around here.

1411
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:14,040
Um I have talked so Mike
has been our acting superintendent.

1412
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:18,520
Different people have used different
titles, but uh that is the title that

1413
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:23,320
he's been operating on and from the very
beginning when we spoke with him, it was

1414
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:30,040
uh because we thought that it would be
for a um short period of time.

1415
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:34,680
Uh this would extend it um through all
of next year.

1416
01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:38,960
Uh there's a lot on his plate with far
as the budget is concerned uh

1417
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:45,640
going forward in the facilities and all
of those things. Not to say he is

1418
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:49,520
absolutely able and willing and he has
done a fabulous job and willing to

1419
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:54,120
continue on.
Um

1420
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:56,720
uh so the question would be
um which direction [clears throat] do we

1421
01:48:55,440 --> 01:49:00,600
want to go?
Uh and as I I'll throw in one last

1422
01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:06,320
thought.
Uh and that might make this a little

1423
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:09,880
more palatable in terms of the chunks of
information we're taking in and

1424
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:13,240
decisions we need to make.
It might be that the first decision

1425
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:16,800
would be
do we want to go with the idea of

1426
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:19,400
starting a
search

1427
01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:27,240
the end of next September
with the idea of putting someone in

1428
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:32,880
place that would hire a superintendent
whose tenure would begin next July. We

1429
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:37,840
can start with making that decision
um tonight which would offload a little

1430
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:41,400
bit of all of that we should be doing if
we're going to go forward with it.

1431
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:45,000
And then
um

1432
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:50,240
have a conversation about
uh interim versus acting

1433
01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:53,880
uh and the complexities of the decision
of that of that decision.

1434
01:49:56,040 --> 01:50:02,880
To not I'm not saying whether which one
to go with

1435
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:08,680
just for people in general
this is the last one with starting in

1436
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:12,240
September and
doing the whole process through the year

1437
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:17,240
that's a typical
search process and search timeline.

1438
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:21,040
Um Correct.
What

1439
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:26,760
we would be doing whether it's July 1 or
August 1 is definitely an expediated

1440
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:36,360
compressed timeline.
Um so just comparing what would be

1441
01:50:32,440 --> 01:50:43,320
typical versus obviously what we are
also you know looking to do

1442
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:46,160
which yields very different pools that
we're looking at.

1443
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:50,400
Other thoughts?

1444
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:57,320
I have thoughts but
uh can we hear from the people first?

1445
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:59,840
And then I'll share.
Sure.

1446
01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:05,080
Anyone like to speak to this?
Hi, I'm back.

1447
01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:10,080
Um
okay. So I have a few questions. I know

1448
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:15,200
that we don't want to rush this, make a
knee-jerk decision. I get that.

1449
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:15,200
Um

1450
01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:22,000
Mike, you've done a great job
considering everything that's been

1451
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:26,440
thrown at you.
Uh

1452
01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:29,880
it Please, do not mean this I hope this
doesn't come off as offensive. It's

1453
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:35,520
nothing with you.
Um but our

1454
01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:42,560
former superintendent had been MIA for
the entire year due to being on leave.

1455
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:49,600
Um and now we're hearing that
yet another school year

1456
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:49,600
we could be without a

1457
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:56,680
Again, Mike, no disrespect. A true
superintendent that's been hired in that

1458
01:51:54,560 --> 01:52:01,040
role. So, in my mind I'm thinking 2
years, wow.

1459
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:04,560
Um and I know some school committee
members who are running for this

1460
01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:08,920
position ran on the idea that they're
going going right into that

1461
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:11,400
superintendent search.
Um

1462
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:20,480
if we were in this position where let's
say hypothetically we take our time

1463
01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:29,160
and
maybe you cannot answer this question,

1464
01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:35,760
but would it be Mike being as the
acting superintendent, is this another

1465
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:40,800
potential candidate? And my question is
if it's another potential candidate, how

1466
01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:46,680
are they going to be selected? Under
what credentials? Who is going to make

1467
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:50,800
that decision? Um
because

1468
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:55,840
we've been a district in flux
uh with

1469
01:52:52,680 --> 01:53:04,040
administrative positions kind of coming
and going and different messages and

1470
01:53:00,280 --> 01:53:10,560
so on and so forth. I was really hoping
that we would just go all in and really

1471
01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:15,560
hit the ground running looking for a
superintendent. Again, this is speaking

1472
01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:20,720
as a teacher and a parent for my
children's education.

1473
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:26,880
And um if
I just want to respond to your question

1474
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:33,400
uh that you asked. So, um unfortunately,
you don't have this, but what um

1475
01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:37,720
the timeline for choosing an interim
superintendent search timeline, it would

1476
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:44,560
be conducted in the
uh by mask by Shawn.

1477
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:51,400
Uh and it would involve uh many of the
same steps, but not as intensive. So, it

1478
01:53:48,440 --> 01:53:56,760
includes a community survey, post the
position, um

1479
01:53:54,440 --> 01:54:01,080
and then we would be meeting to review
the survey and determine questions to

1480
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:03,360
review applications and select
interviewees.

1481
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:08,720
Uh
and this is his recommendation, and also

1482
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:13,080
this can be added to. So, I
that pro- it would be a process. It

1483
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:17,960
wouldn't be just one person or a couple
of us saying, "Yeah, let's hire that

1484
01:54:15,440 --> 01:54:22,240
person." It would go through a similar
very truncated process uh for someone,

1485
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:28,640
and typically
um there is a pool of for interims of uh

1486
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:32,440
superintendents that for a variety of
reasons uh

1487
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:39,240
very often they're people with some
experience that they don't want to have

1488
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:43,160
a full uh go they they see this as
something that they do, or there's a

1489
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:49,240
variety of reasons why, but they're
people that would have the same kind of

1490
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:54,520
experience and credentials um that uh
for superintendent.

1491
01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:59,120
Okay. And if that was to happen, when
would that potential decision be made?

1492
01:54:57,080 --> 01:55:06,440
Would that before be before the start of
the academic school year? Could we see

1493
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:13,000
an interim in like October? No, July.
This he he believed he could do

1494
01:55:09,160 --> 01:55:19,000
by July because it's not in the in a
typical the one thing that for example

1495
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:24,480
that is not in the timeline
of hiring the regular the full-time one

1496
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:29,680
is things like site visits is usually
always part of hiring and I don't

1497
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:31,880
believe I I see that in this. So, there
are

1498
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:37,040
specific things like that that you
wouldn't do for the interim so you can

1499
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:41,280
truncate it a bit. Um and it would be
his hope that he would be able to have

1500
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:45,800
someone here for July going through a
real process.

1501
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:51,080
Thank you. I just have never been a part
of this conversation before so that's

1502
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:56,400
why I had different questions. Um
moving forward

1503
01:55:53,680 --> 01:56:00,680
we do need again Mike no disrespect but
I never want to come off like I'm coming

1504
01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:05,000
off the wrong way but the culture of the
district

1505
01:56:02,240 --> 01:56:14,160
this whole school year has been
different. Um we feel it. So, my hope is

1506
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:19,000
whether it is an interim situ- or or
acting superintendent whatever you want

1507
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:24,920
to say whoever is selected is an ideal
candidate for a not rushed

1508
01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:28,240
superintendent search. I just am hoping
we're not delaying

1509
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:31,760
uh
delaying the process. That's all. So,

1510
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:34,520
thank you so much for clarifying those
questions.

1511
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:43,520
Sue, just sorry Sarah.
What is the We know what the cost is for

1512
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:47,800
the actual superintendent search is
11,500.

1513
01:56:45,040 --> 01:56:51,840
Do we have a cost and Sean may have
presented this and I maybe just forgot.

1514
01:56:50,240 --> 01:56:54,800
Um is there a cost associated with an
interim superintendent search in

1515
01:56:53,240 --> 01:56:57,880
addition to
the regular superintendent search?

1516
01:56:56,560 --> 01:57:00,080
» He said it he they would do it for the
same fee.

1517
01:56:59,240 --> 01:57:05,040
Together.
>> So in addition okay. So all all 11,500

1518
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:09,000
in. Yeah, it does not increase it does
not increase the cost. I just think that

1519
01:57:06,640 --> 01:57:13,280
was important to know. Thank you.
So as someone who watched the last

1520
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:18,160
process,
I think we really need to be careful

1521
01:57:15,080 --> 01:57:25,200
about rushing this. Uh we need to open
this up much further than just

1522
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:29,200
uh the the zip code. Um so I really
think we need to consider having an

1523
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:33,880
interim somebody that knows they're not
here long term unless they choose that

1524
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:36,960
to apply for that later. But I think if
we're going to hit the ground running

1525
01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:41,080
now and try to get a permanent placement
in July, it would be foolish. It would

1526
01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:45,280
just be repeating old patterns and I
think we need to get out of that

1527
01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:49,760
mindset. We've a brand new board. I
think we have a great acting

1528
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:55,360
superintendent. I think we need to just
take a bit of a breath and make a make

1529
01:57:53,560 --> 01:58:00,200
those choices
in a timely manner, but not to just rush

1530
01:57:58,240 --> 01:58:03,360
and hit the gas and say, "Well, we need
this. We need this. We need this."

1531
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:09,000
There's a lot of issues going on, but I
think this is such a big um decision and

1532
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:11,960
we've seen it go wrong before. So I'd
really like to take time with this. So I

1533
01:58:10,640 --> 01:58:15,600
think an interim is definitely the way
to go.

1534
01:58:13,240 --> 01:58:15,600
Thank you.

1535
01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:24,800
I just want to comment towards the new
members. When you guys were running, I

1536
01:58:22,680 --> 01:58:28,240
heard and read about you stuff. I don't
think any of you would surprise me as

1537
01:58:26,280 --> 01:58:31,320
superintendent. Are you?
Cuz it sounds like, "Oh, we got new

1538
01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:35,240
members. We're going to put it off." I
think they knew exactly what we needed.

1539
01:58:34,360 --> 01:58:39,440
Right? You know we need new
superintendent. You need time to

1540
01:58:38,160 --> 01:58:42,920
I don't know what. Learn more about the
schools? I think you ran because you

1541
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:46,640
know that there's an issue in the
schools. So I don't think waiting

1542
01:58:44,200 --> 01:58:51,080
because a new board
They knew what they were getting into.

1543
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:53,560
They knew what they wanted to take on.
This isn't and I don't feel this is

1544
01:58:52,440 --> 01:58:56,040
rushed. We've been talking about this
for what? A month and a half, two months

1545
01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:59,320
now?
What is Mr. Costello's timeline if we

1546
01:58:58,040 --> 01:59:02,400
start in July? Is it a two-month
process? Cuz we're going to be ready for

1547
01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:04,880
September with the new superintendent,
right?

1548
01:59:03,800 --> 01:59:08,360
And now we're going to wait another
year.

1549
01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:12,880
I don't know why we're waiting. His His
timeline sounded pretty quick. I can't

1550
01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:16,320
remember exactly his timeline. I know it
was busy.

1551
01:59:14,360 --> 01:59:19,600
He did talk about that.
But we knew the timeline, and we thought

1552
01:59:17,960 --> 01:59:24,160
we'd get a good pool of candidates. I
don't know if it was July 1st or if it

1553
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:26,880
was June 1st that we were meeting.
And now we're saying, "Well, we're going

1554
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:32,000
to wait."
And I do agree with the fact of

1555
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:35,920
yeah, we shouldn't rush into it, but are
we rushing into it? Is three months by

1556
01:59:33,680 --> 01:59:39,400
the state rushing into it?
If that's their program, is that how

1557
01:59:37,680 --> 01:59:42,880
they pick superintendents? That's not
rushing into anything. That's their

1558
01:59:41,160 --> 01:59:47,560
policy. That's how they find
superintendents.

1559
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:54,080
So, I I I don't know why we would wait.
We're in trouble. We need help. And

1560
01:59:49,480 --> 01:59:54,080
again, no has me He's doing double duty.

1561
01:59:54,520 --> 02:00:00,760
But the schools need something.
And we can't, you know, waiting another

1562
01:59:58,520 --> 02:00:03,400
year. Okay, well,
then what are we doing?

1563
02:00:02,160 --> 02:00:07,320
And we're still going to interview for
an interim, but we're not going to go as

1564
02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:10,240
far with the interviews.
Well, then aren't we kind of rushing

1565
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:12,680
into that, too? Where did this person
come from?

1566
02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:16,880
Are they just because they were a
superintendent, that means, "Oh yeah,

1567
02:00:14,840 --> 02:00:20,000
we'll put them in there for a year."
That means we can't move forward for a

1568
02:00:18,240 --> 02:00:23,640
year. We can't move forward on programs.
We have the ELA that we're talking

1569
02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:28,160
about. We want the new superintendent
about the restructuring the schools.

1570
02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:30,920
And we're going to wait another year.
I just

1571
02:00:29,240 --> 02:00:34,760
I think Mr. Costello made a good case
that this was the program. This was how

1572
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:37,800
you picked the superintendent.
I

1573
02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:42,240
If I just may clarify, he
he said if we want to do it that

1574
02:00:39,720 --> 02:00:46,440
quickly, even during the presentation,
that he would

1575
02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:51,720
build a timeline that did it, but the
normal timeline is longer and includes

1576
02:00:49,480 --> 02:00:55,280
other aspects.
Okay. Thank you. You're welcome.

1577
02:00:56,280 --> 02:01:04,840
I can I just have a couple questions
clarifying. So, there's an $11,000 fee

1578
02:01:01,640 --> 02:01:09,040
for the search. And so, we're already in
budget issues. We're going to do $11,000

1579
02:01:07,640 --> 02:01:15,120
this year if we do interim and then
$11,000 for the search next year? No. Um

1580
02:01:12,640 --> 02:01:19,520
he offered to do all of it for the same
all 11 months.

1581
02:01:16,680 --> 02:01:23,080
Um so, then my other question or thought
to consider is

1582
02:01:21,800 --> 02:01:26,840
you know, some of the things that we had
discussed and I think you know, the

1583
02:01:25,200 --> 02:01:32,120
previous comment also just mentioned
this is we weren't going to think about

1584
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:37,200
reconfiguration
and some other building issues with

1585
02:01:35,280 --> 02:01:41,120
interim superintendent. We wanted to get
a full superintendent in here before we

1586
02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:44,080
had these conversations.
So, now if we have another interim, are

1587
02:01:42,840 --> 02:01:47,240
we going to wait a whole another year to
start having those conversations about

1588
02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:53,040
our buildings again?
Um and just continue pushing things off

1589
02:01:49,720 --> 02:01:55,480
for further years. So, just my thoughts.
Thanks.

1590
02:01:58,760 --> 02:02:09,400
Also, for clarification,
um not really following the original

1591
02:02:05,600 --> 02:02:14,760
hiring of the previous superintendent
and the process um

1592
02:02:11,640 --> 02:02:23,200
until it got towards the end.
When you have a superintendent,

1593
02:02:18,960 --> 02:02:26,440
what process goes on in terms of um
evaluation?

1594
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:31,280
And
like with anything else,

1595
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:36,920
whether you get an interim or whether
you hire a full-time

1596
02:02:34,200 --> 02:02:45,120
superintendent, I'm assuming there's
going to be an evaluation period. And if

1597
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:51,600
they're not cutting it, then
they're going to be held accountable.

1598
02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:57,080
So, to me, having worked in districts,
if that process,

1599
02:02:54,040 --> 02:03:04,360
if you do as good a job in search,
regardless of the amount of time, as you

1600
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:11,320
possibly can, and then you stay on top
of evaluation based on what you have

1601
02:03:08,400 --> 02:03:15,720
learned apparently from
where there were shortcomings and

1602
02:03:13,280 --> 02:03:19,800
difficulties and things that didn't
work,

1603
02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:26,640
then it seems to me
that you'd have a a better outcome.

1604
02:03:23,040 --> 02:03:33,520
And and I empathize with those staff
members, it's going to be

1605
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:39,720
very difficult, I would imagine, to keep
morale up

1606
02:03:36,160 --> 02:03:48,040
if there are unanswered questions or
there are un-

1607
02:03:42,360 --> 02:03:53,600
um resolved projects like reorganizing
uh the elementary schools

1608
02:03:50,240 --> 02:03:58,800
that have to be put on hold. That's
that's really going to be difficult, and

1609
02:03:55,440 --> 02:04:07,280
I think whatever decision you make,
that impact on staff needs to be

1610
02:04:04,200 --> 02:04:11,320
really thoughtfully considered.
Thank you. I got a good point.

1611
02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:16,760
Colleagues on the board,

1612
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:25,600
so is there a way to maybe put together
like some kind of survey that could sent

1613
02:04:23,200 --> 02:04:29,360
out to everyone with
the thought process, the two different

1614
02:04:27,560 --> 02:04:33,720
timelines,
what would be the reason to consider

1615
02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:38,640
either or, and see what the majority of
people think?

1616
02:04:36,760 --> 02:04:42,080
Uh um
are you saying

1617
02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:51,400
the
whether people want an interim or the

1618
02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:54,560
by the time we do that we will lost the
time

1619
02:04:52,600 --> 02:04:58,080
So the surveys that are supposed to go
out

1620
02:04:55,600 --> 02:05:02,000
and by the time you did that we would
have blown this timeline that we we

1621
02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:06,720
wouldn't be able to
is my thought although people can

1622
02:05:05,040 --> 02:05:10,440
because we'd have to develop develop it
get it out but maybe you have a a

1623
02:05:09,160 --> 02:05:14,880
different
if you're looking at these dates

1624
02:05:12,360 --> 02:05:18,480
to get this done but maybe you have a
different thought.

1625
02:05:16,240 --> 02:05:18,480
Okay.

1626
02:05:26,520 --> 02:05:31,480
Is there someone up there? I'm sorry.
It's dark up there. I don't see. I

1627
02:05:30,240 --> 02:05:36,440
couldn't tell if you were sitting or
standing.

1628
02:05:33,960 --> 02:05:39,920
Is that a short joke? No, [laughter]
cuz the thing's in my way so I couldn't

1629
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:45,560
see.
Um hi Eva Crawford

1630
02:05:42,880 --> 02:05:49,160
resident here in town 172 Center Ave.
Um also retired teacher here in

1631
02:05:47,200 --> 02:05:54,520
Middleborough Public Schools.
Um I've been through two interim

1632
02:05:52,560 --> 02:06:00,320
superintendents.
So I know

1633
02:05:56,880 --> 02:06:06,040
what that feels like as an employee.
Um so I would caution you to

1634
02:06:03,320 --> 02:06:10,280
really think everything through
before you make a decision. I've also

1635
02:06:08,240 --> 02:06:14,880
been on a superintendent search
committee

1636
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:14,880
20 years ago.

1637
02:06:14,960 --> 02:06:24,120
Um so I understand very much the process
and how long it takes. Um

1638
02:06:22,760 --> 02:06:29,040
I just want you guys to make the best
decision possible because this is not

1639
02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:34,440
just about staff this is about our kids.
Absolutely. And I don't know any teacher

1640
02:06:31,880 --> 02:06:37,600
who
does not want the best for their kids.

1641
02:06:36,760 --> 02:06:42,440
You know,
our staff is wonderful.

1642
02:06:39,880 --> 02:06:48,320
So, we really
hope that you really think this through.

1643
02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:48,320
Okay, thank you.

1644
02:07:06,360 --> 02:07:13,000
I understand when when you said about
this um survey and how com-

1645
02:07:11,280 --> 02:07:18,080
comprehensive and how long it would take
and everything. And this is probably

1646
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:22,000
maybe even a stupid thing to suggest,
but

1647
02:07:19,440 --> 02:07:25,160
you're in a lose-lose situation, quite
frankly.

1648
02:07:23,480 --> 02:07:30,800
So,
the best you can hope for, or if I were

1649
02:07:27,760 --> 02:07:37,000
in your shoes, would be at least to send
out by Monday one question to staff. And

1650
02:07:35,160 --> 02:07:41,360
that would be the question, should we go
interim, should which will take this

1651
02:07:39,320 --> 02:07:45,840
kind of timeline and lay out that
timeline, or should we go

1652
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:51,560
um the longer
or should we get a full-time

1653
02:07:48,360 --> 02:07:56,200
superintendent with a compressed three
three month um

1654
02:07:53,600 --> 02:08:01,600
search proce- process?
At least give them, to my my way of

1655
02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:07,280
thinking, and this is just my opinion,
the respect of asking that question of

1656
02:08:04,600 --> 02:08:10,440
them. And I mean staff from
all the way

1657
02:08:08,720 --> 02:08:13,720
across the board.
Um

1658
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:18,640
get back those answers.
And then you at least know where they

1659
02:08:16,080 --> 02:08:23,760
all stand, and you can come back to them
with what your decision is and your

1660
02:08:20,720 --> 02:08:27,760
rationale for whichever it is. But I
think

1661
02:08:25,000 --> 02:08:30,840
they're going to feel blindsided,
um

1662
02:08:29,240 --> 02:08:38,440
and then that's going to make the whole
process harder. Um

1663
02:08:35,000 --> 02:08:43,720
So, I I'm I'm glad I'm not in your
shoes.

1664
02:08:40,680 --> 02:08:43,720
Thank you, I think.

1665
02:08:45,400 --> 02:08:50,640
I just had a question, uh Kim, you
brought something up about the pool, and

1666
02:08:49,560 --> 02:08:54,120
I I don't know if you can answer this or
not, I just don't have any experience

1667
02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:57,680
with this, but I think you want the
strongest pools possible of candidates,

1668
02:08:56,600 --> 02:09:01,200
right?
So, was that what you kind of indicating

1669
02:08:59,520 --> 02:09:06,280
is that, hey, the normal process starts
in September, you know, cuz it was

1670
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:09,320
vacated, and that allows for a larger
pool or stronger pool, I guess, of

1671
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:15,200
candidates.
Are we kind of Do you think we're past

1672
02:09:11,480 --> 02:09:18,920
that point? So, it's kind of like you're
not at the bottom of the barrel, but

1673
02:09:16,880 --> 02:09:22,640
like maybe those candidates that we
would want, they're already kind of in

1674
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:26,120
a, you know, last interview type of
process that we think would be a good

1675
02:09:24,640 --> 02:09:33,320
fit for this district, so it kind of
really narrows that focus at that point.

1676
02:09:29,120 --> 02:09:39,240
Right. So, a lot of districts who are in
a superintendent search right now are

1677
02:09:35,160 --> 02:09:46,360
kind of finalizing their searches. So,
a lot of superintendents are being hired

1678
02:09:42,080 --> 02:09:50,680
right now. Um so, or we might obviously
will be getting ones that are still

1679
02:09:47,720 --> 02:09:56,000
looking for jobs. Um we might be getting
ones who are being let go from districts

1680
02:09:53,040 --> 02:10:02,400
and then looking for jobs
at the end, or who might have put in

1681
02:09:59,840 --> 02:10:06,160
last-minute notice and then leaving
positions, um

1682
02:10:07,240 --> 02:10:12,960
I mean, somebody might see our post and
be like, okay, awesome, yep, want

1683
02:10:11,240 --> 02:10:18,560
Middleborough, and then put and put in
their notice. I mean, it could be a

1684
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:23,880
unicorn, who knows, but um you know, at
this late stage in the game, this is the

1685
02:10:20,720 --> 02:10:30,120
hiring time versus the posting time for
a superintendent. Um whereas in Sep-

1686
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:34,160
late September, fall is usually when
you're posting and that's usually if

1687
02:10:32,040 --> 02:10:38,280
somebody is leaving
a position or it's that towards the end

1688
02:10:36,840 --> 02:10:43,880
of their contract or things like that,
it's the last year, then the the

1689
02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:50,400
district's already prepping for that. Um
and they know that is coming, so.

1690
02:10:47,600 --> 02:10:54,480
I also would add to that, um
which I think is

1691
02:10:51,600 --> 02:10:59,760
absolutely correct, but it
in addition to that,

1692
02:10:57,320 --> 02:11:05,040
the amount of time that we really want
to get the community and the

1693
02:11:02,480 --> 02:11:13,840
teachers and the staff, everyone's
um information and really think through

1694
02:11:09,960 --> 02:11:17,360
what we consider the best fit for
Middleborough at this time.

1695
02:11:16,080 --> 02:11:24,840
And
um I just worry that we have a lot of um

1696
02:11:22,360 --> 02:11:31,120
bullets on here about do fo- do a focus
group next week, send out the online

1697
02:11:27,160 --> 02:11:34,680
survey next week. Um and is it really in
a in

1698
02:11:32,400 --> 02:11:40,680
will we have enough time to thoughtfully
consider who we are looking for with the

1699
02:11:38,120 --> 02:11:44,680
right kind of input that's also
alongside of what you're saying, that's

1700
02:11:42,640 --> 02:11:48,040
also my concern. Yeah, absolutely. I
mean, looking at the timeline, if we

1701
02:11:46,480 --> 02:11:52,080
were to
start now for the August 1st, we would

1702
02:11:50,840 --> 02:11:56,840
be
putting out, you know, after break,

1703
02:11:53,680 --> 02:12:01,840
putting out um surveys,
doing community forums the week of,

1704
02:11:59,720 --> 02:12:07,000
you know, May 7th,
and then on Monday, May 11th, we would

1705
02:12:05,200 --> 02:12:12,640
be, you know, kind of looking at that
and then immediately posting

1706
02:12:10,320 --> 02:12:16,720
3 days later. I mean, that's not really
giving a whole lot of time to even be

1707
02:12:14,720 --> 02:12:20,240
able to review the surveys that the
communities

1708
02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:24,520
you know, the information they're giving
us.

1709
02:12:22,160 --> 02:12:27,920
So, whereas if we're doing that process
throughout the fall,

1710
02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:33,800
that's giving us, you know, a lot of
information and a lot of time to get a

1711
02:12:29,720 --> 02:12:33,800
lot of get the community input.

1712
02:12:39,240 --> 02:12:44,160
Other thoughts?
I know, it's hard.

1713
02:12:42,640 --> 02:12:48,960
Can I chime in?
Certainly. All right. Uh yeah, so

1714
02:12:46,800 --> 02:12:53,600
in my experience, usually the way and
we're in a different spot,

1715
02:12:50,560 --> 02:12:57,400
usually the year starts in September
where you have a superintendent who's

1716
02:12:56,200 --> 02:13:01,360
they're in their last year of their
contract and they're going to retire

1717
02:12:59,640 --> 02:13:05,360
and that's when you start your search.
So, we're definitely behind that given

1718
02:13:03,600 --> 02:13:08,960
our circumstances.
Um I think it's

1719
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:13,640
I mean
any number of candidates can look really

1720
02:13:10,520 --> 02:13:18,120
good on paper. I really want someone
who's here for Middleborough and we're

1721
02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:22,400
sure is going to be here for
Middleborough and understands the staff,

1722
02:13:20,600 --> 02:13:27,040
the families, and the this all the
stakeholders.

1723
02:13:23,720 --> 02:13:31,240
Um and I'm hesitant to do that in such a
a quick search.

1724
02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:35,840
Um in terms in my experience are usually
experienced superintendents keeping even

1725
02:13:33,600 --> 02:13:41,040
keel. Um
and I think one bonus that we haven't

1726
02:13:39,400 --> 02:13:45,400
talked about yet is if we have an
interim superintendent,

1727
02:13:43,480 --> 02:13:51,960
then we don't need to have
an acting end business manager doing two

1728
02:13:47,960 --> 02:13:56,160
jobs at once. Um and I don't think
uh the state's going to cap spending on

1729
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:59,600
transportation, special ed, and other
costs and I don't think they're going to

1730
02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:04,520
add more
funds to us. So, I think having a

1731
02:14:01,760 --> 02:14:10,120
business manager who is full-time
looking at the books and monitoring the

1732
02:14:06,480 --> 02:14:13,800
budget is incredibly almost as important
as whoever we pick for our

1733
02:14:11,880 --> 02:14:17,000
superintendent just in these next few
years where things are going to

1734
02:14:15,840 --> 02:14:21,240
they're going to be tight again next
year and for the foreseeable future. So,

1735
02:14:19,760 --> 02:14:24,160
I think that's an important piece that
we need to consider.

1736
02:14:25,360 --> 02:14:29,400
And if I could add to that, guess I'm
adding today.

1737
02:14:28,480 --> 02:14:35,880
Um,
couldn't agree more with one addition

1738
02:14:32,840 --> 02:14:40,880
and that's the added bonus of having an
acting superintendent

1739
02:14:38,600 --> 02:14:46,960
um, on the staff working with the
interim and it would be my desire that

1740
02:14:45,120 --> 02:14:51,800
whoever whomever as we go through that
interview process that we

1741
02:14:49,320 --> 02:14:56,760
pick a team player that recognizes that
he's got a good teammate, he or she has

1742
02:14:54,600 --> 02:15:02,440
a good teammate who's done this for a
while and will be able to provide the

1743
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:06,000
institutional knowledge
um, and information about the culture

1744
02:15:04,240 --> 02:15:13,560
and all of that
um, to help guide in in a way that might

1745
02:15:09,440 --> 02:15:13,560
not happen in other circumstances.

1746
02:15:18,400 --> 02:15:24,720
I would just really love to see some
community input even if we have I would

1747
02:15:22,680 --> 02:15:29,200
love to see community input on this
because this is such a huge thing

1748
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:32,480
for our town.
You know, [clears throat] and

1749
02:15:30,960 --> 02:15:36,760
I completely value what you guys are
saying as educators. I mean, you've been

1750
02:15:34,320 --> 02:15:43,560
involved in it, you know firsthand.
Um, but I still just feel like everybody

1751
02:15:39,920 --> 02:15:47,600
should have some kind of input even if I
like that quick survey. I mean, let's

1752
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:51,920
just hear what people say.
You know, because then everybody's

1753
02:15:49,600 --> 02:15:57,320
they're going to be involved. So,
whatever decision is made, it wasn't

1754
02:15:53,880 --> 02:16:03,120
made by just the seven of us.
We have more input, you know?

1755
02:16:00,640 --> 02:16:03,120
Understood.

1756
02:16:06,480 --> 02:16:11,680
So,
how do we want to proceed here?

1757
02:16:13,960 --> 02:16:20,800
If I may say, I I think too with
to Leah's point as well as that this was

1758
02:16:18,840 --> 02:16:25,440
on the agenda. I think if people I mean
people here have spoken. If they wanted

1759
02:16:23,480 --> 02:16:29,360
to come and speak or had any questions
about the superintendent search

1760
02:16:27,640 --> 02:16:32,519
as we presented at the last meeting, I
think tonight would have been a good

1761
02:16:30,600 --> 02:16:36,599
opportunity for them to come out and
raise those questions.

1762
02:16:34,360 --> 02:16:40,639
Um obviously not understanding that we
were going to go through this process of

1763
02:16:38,920 --> 02:16:45,559
presenting an, you know, an interim
superintendent, but I think,

1764
02:16:43,639 --> 02:16:49,000
you know, if we did proceed with an
interim superintendent search

1765
02:16:47,599 --> 02:16:52,200
and then we are going to launch a
community survey

1766
02:16:50,679 --> 02:16:55,120
with that, I think that will give them
an opportunity to answer like to ask a

1767
02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:58,480
lot of the questions. But is your
question more whether we should proceed

1768
02:16:56,920 --> 02:17:02,320
with an interim superintendent or just
go right into Yeah, and the

1769
02:17:00,280 --> 02:17:05,880
superintendent search. And I feel like
if it was stated like that on the

1770
02:17:04,440 --> 02:17:09,400
agenda, maybe more people would have
come, you

1771
02:17:07,000 --> 02:17:13,800
If if that's, you know, the point. Um
sometimes people can't get here, you

1772
02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:16,960
know, so for something like this.
It cuz I mean I wasn't aware that we

1773
02:17:15,480 --> 02:17:21,240
were kind of behind the eight ball with
the timeline. You know?

1774
02:17:19,639 --> 02:17:25,920
I did I wasn't aware that we were going
to be thinking about an interim until um

1775
02:17:24,120 --> 02:17:29,120
a little mid
I don't know.

1776
02:17:27,080 --> 02:17:33,519
Yesterday afternoon. When he got back to
me, yeah. And and

1777
02:17:31,519 --> 02:17:36,440
whoever said lose-lose, I guess I would
call it a rock and a hard place.

1778
02:17:35,400 --> 02:17:38,400
Um
I I

1779
02:17:37,440 --> 02:17:41,760
I
empathize with

1780
02:17:40,280 --> 02:17:44,760
the different
perspectives on this.

1781
02:17:43,519 --> 02:17:49,080
Um
and

1782
02:17:46,960 --> 02:17:53,280
I just want to know what we think is
realistic.

1783
02:17:51,160 --> 02:18:00,000
Um
so if we put out a survey

1784
02:17:57,639 --> 02:18:03,920
which in of itself, I don't know where
I I'm not that um

1785
02:18:02,120 --> 02:18:08,000
knowledgeable about how that process
works and and you know, how do we give

1786
02:18:06,440 --> 02:18:12,719
people the context to understand what
they're answering.

1787
02:18:09,679 --> 02:18:15,800
Um and then we get it back and then we
would meet um

1788
02:18:14,440 --> 02:18:21,480
when
to make a decision of how we go forward.

1789
02:18:19,200 --> 02:18:25,240
Um
I'm just trying to be realistic that we

1790
02:18:23,000 --> 02:18:27,880
don't miss that we
shoot ourselves in the foot because we

1791
02:18:26,719 --> 02:18:33,760
ended up
understanding the reason for it. I I it

1792
02:18:30,160 --> 02:18:33,760
Um so I'm not

1793
02:18:34,400 --> 02:18:44,240
for me that the having the input
for our next superintendent

1794
02:18:41,040 --> 02:18:49,360
our next full-time superintendent is of
utmost importance.

1795
02:18:46,000 --> 02:18:55,679
This timeline does not allow it.
That's I guess what what um

1796
02:18:52,880 --> 02:18:55,679
concerned me.

1797
02:18:56,760 --> 02:19:02,719
So I think one thing that might
influence that, uh if item nine, the

1798
02:19:00,519 --> 02:19:06,800
April and May 2026 school committee
meetings Mhm. cuz they were

1799
02:19:05,559 --> 02:19:13,760
they were discussions that we would be
meeting next Thursday at one point.

1800
02:19:10,639 --> 02:19:19,120
Um if we knew are we meeting twice in
April, twice in May, then that might

1801
02:19:16,559 --> 02:19:23,200
give us time to put out a survey. Uh
what I was going to recommend to put out

1802
02:19:21,719 --> 02:19:30,240
a survey
to to Leah's point. Okay, so if we put

1803
02:19:26,440 --> 02:19:34,519
out a survey now
um

1804
02:19:31,840 --> 02:19:38,280
and
What what would you see as a turnaround

1805
02:19:36,280 --> 02:19:42,480
time on a survey? What's I'll answer
your question.

1806
02:19:39,559 --> 02:19:49,880
Uh I think when Mike and I were speaking
uh that we thought the best time for the

1807
02:19:45,519 --> 02:19:52,360
next meeting was
April 30th.

1808
02:19:51,520 --> 02:19:55,520
I
I really don't I shouldn't do this off

1809
02:19:53,800 --> 02:19:58,080
the top of my head.
Hold it.

1810
02:19:56,960 --> 02:20:02,320
Yeah.
Uh that we would have a meeting on April

1811
02:20:00,600 --> 02:20:07,680
you would said meet for this Friday.
Mhm. April 30th.

1812
02:20:04,360 --> 02:20:11,640
Um April 30th, then May 14th, and May
28th.

1813
02:20:09,480 --> 02:20:16,840
So, if we put out a survey
for 7 10 days, and then we can review

1814
02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:20,480
that on April 30th and make a
determination then. Would that still

1815
02:20:18,520 --> 02:20:29,880
give us enough time?
Enough time for what? To either

1816
02:20:26,520 --> 02:20:33,440
go with the interim or try to tackle the
expedited timeline. Okay. So, if you

1817
02:20:32,120 --> 02:20:38,000
look at the
uh timeline for the August 1st,

1818
02:20:36,880 --> 02:20:44,040
um
we would need to have the screening

1819
02:20:41,360 --> 02:20:47,320
committee composition and recruitment
plan

1820
02:20:45,840 --> 02:20:52,320
already done.
Um

1821
02:20:48,560 --> 02:20:58,040
and start recruiting the
um volunteers for the screening

1822
02:20:54,160 --> 02:21:00,520
committee on April 27th,
which I'm sure it can go a couple day I

1823
02:20:59,600 --> 02:21:04,080
mean
uh

1824
02:21:02,360 --> 02:21:09,040
and
have a

1825
02:21:06,040 --> 02:21:09,040
community

1826
02:21:11,800 --> 02:21:18,120
So, to me uh the the things that would
be challenging, first of all, is

1827
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:21,520
um
we need to know from this group who

1828
02:21:20,360 --> 02:21:26,640
wants to
if you're able if you're able to to go

1829
02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:32,720
to these meetings that are mandatory for
the two designees the for the um

1830
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:36,200
the interviewing and going, you know,
there are um

1831
02:21:36,480 --> 02:21:44,840
the May 11th
is is something that everyone needs to

1832
02:21:41,280 --> 02:21:51,560
the designees or all of us need to go
and take care of the

1833
02:21:47,120 --> 02:21:51,560
focus groups and the survey responses.

1834
02:21:54,360 --> 02:22:04,680
So, if we met on April 30th, then it
would just cut down that April 27th

1835
02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:09,520
to the 8th. It would just cut that down
really to 1 week rather than

1836
02:22:07,680 --> 02:22:14,400
I mean, yeah, if we're going off this
timeline, then this timeline we can't do

1837
02:22:12,480 --> 02:22:20,120
it anyways because
April 2nd we should have already

1838
02:22:17,840 --> 02:22:25,480
had all that done.
There there is a There So, a schedule

1839
02:22:22,720 --> 02:22:30,440
for focus group they have the room.
They have the questions

1840
02:22:27,560 --> 02:22:34,840
that were determined by
Jess and Shawn

1841
02:22:32,520 --> 02:22:38,520
back then. So, those are done.
Um

1842
02:22:36,000 --> 02:22:41,160
I tried to get a copy of the online
survey,

1843
02:22:39,800 --> 02:22:45,680
but
Shawn is now on vacation.

1844
02:22:43,480 --> 02:22:49,160
So, I couldn't get it from him and I
wasn't able to um

1845
02:22:48,240 --> 02:22:51,720
There were a couple of other people that
were involved and they didn't have them.

1846
02:22:50,400 --> 02:22:57,120
So, we
we don't have that to approve.

1847
02:22:55,280 --> 02:23:02,320
Uh
And I have the composition as in that

1848
02:22:59,840 --> 02:23:07,200
they determined is in your packet. So,
we could

1849
02:23:03,600 --> 02:23:07,200
we could approve that tonight.

1850
02:23:08,040 --> 02:23:15,880
So, Sue, was the online survey approved
prior to the election?

1851
02:23:13,040 --> 02:23:21,240
Or it was not approved?
Going by the original timeline.

1852
02:23:18,560 --> 02:23:25,640
The original timeline
it was done Yes. So, it was already

1853
02:23:23,120 --> 02:23:31,080
approved, the online survey? Approved by
one person from the committee. Correct.

1854
02:23:29,200 --> 02:23:37,000
So, is there any to reapprove that
online survey so we're not jeopardizing

1855
02:23:34,920 --> 02:23:44,480
a newer timeline? Or Are you hoping to
get an opportunity now as the chair to

1856
02:23:39,320 --> 02:23:44,480
approve again the same survey? Um

1857
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:50,760
I I think it would be nice for the
committee to see

1858
02:23:47,960 --> 02:23:50,760
what's being asked.

1859
02:23:51,120 --> 02:23:55,360
I'm not saying that legalistically. I'm
not I I don't know.

1860
02:23:53,720 --> 02:23:56,440
» no. I I'm just I just want to get a nice
word out.

1861
02:23:55,640 --> 02:23:58,080
» I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I
I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I

1862
02:23:57,240 --> 02:23:59,680
I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I
I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I

1863
02:23:58,880 --> 02:24:04,240
I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I
I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I

1864
02:24:02,120 --> 02:24:07,960
But that's This is one person's thought.
That's So, if you all feel differently

1865
02:24:06,760 --> 02:24:12,000
that we can go forward with those
surveys and not having really had a

1866
02:24:10,560 --> 02:24:14,920
chance to have
um take a look at it.

1867
02:24:19,840 --> 02:24:24,400
I mean, we really wouldn't put those out
until after the 30th anyways, cuz we

1868
02:24:23,240 --> 02:24:29,120
wouldn't know if we're doing this or
not.

1869
02:24:26,240 --> 02:24:29,120
Till the 30th.

1870
02:24:29,240 --> 02:24:37,000
Cuz this would be if we're doing
I think they were saying going forward

1871
02:24:33,720 --> 02:24:37,000
now within the the original.

1872
02:24:38,520 --> 02:24:44,200
Cuz we the survey you
you're talking about is to send out to

1873
02:24:42,240 --> 02:24:50,400
say do this
timeline or an interim. No, this is the

1874
02:24:47,600 --> 02:24:54,000
online survey that will that is going to
um

1875
02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:57,400
give the information
the superintendent search. I think we're

1876
02:24:56,160 --> 02:25:00,520
talking about two different surveys.
>> Yeah, two different surveys. Right.

1877
02:24:59,240 --> 02:25:03,800
Yeah. But we wouldn't
>> What you're talking about would be which

1878
02:25:03,120 --> 02:25:09,880
timeline we pick.
>> Yeah, right. Exactly.

1879
02:25:07,040 --> 02:25:14,720
But do we need to send out the survey
that Sue's talking about?

1880
02:25:12,360 --> 02:25:19,160
We don't send that out until And that's
just to That's just to the committee,

1881
02:25:17,120 --> 02:25:23,720
like to approve. I I'm My question was
more has it been approved already? Does

1882
02:25:21,400 --> 02:25:27,480
it need to be reapproved because having
more eyes on it and then approving it

1883
02:25:25,680 --> 02:25:32,760
again is going to now obviously delay
that Yeah. But we would have time.

1884
02:25:30,640 --> 02:25:38,560
Yeah, no. And if people are comfortable
with it going out with not because of

1885
02:25:35,600 --> 02:25:42,360
someone already approved it.
Again, up to you folks.

1886
02:25:46,080 --> 02:25:52,480
I think to Chris's point 7 to 10 days is
a bit of time. Maybe if we shrink that

1887
02:25:50,240 --> 02:25:57,160
time frame down just a little bit. 5 to
7 days max and then we can go from there

1888
02:25:55,800 --> 02:26:01,120
so that
if we shrink that time that 7 to 10 day

1889
02:25:59,040 --> 02:26:04,560
timeline down that Chris suggested to
maybe 5 to 7 days before April school

1890
02:26:03,200 --> 02:26:09,520
vacation
and then we have that time before April

1891
02:26:07,120 --> 02:26:11,840
30th meeting that
that might be the way to go. I still

1892
02:26:10,480 --> 02:26:16,360
think that's plenty of time to answer
one question and for you know, for staff

1893
02:26:14,600 --> 02:26:19,800
and for parents.
I'm shaking my head even though I heard

1894
02:26:17,800 --> 02:26:22,080
like three or two words.
So,

1895
02:26:20,760 --> 02:26:25,280
I'm sorry I didn't understand. So, just
shrink So, if you were were to send a

1896
02:26:23,800 --> 02:26:28,960
survey out of whether or not we want to
follow the interim superintendent search

1897
02:26:26,880 --> 02:26:33,200
timeline or the
the full like put the full-time

1898
02:26:31,000 --> 02:26:37,520
superintendent search timeline. We send
a survey out but we shrink the timeline

1899
02:26:35,320 --> 02:26:41,480
down to answer the question within 5 to
7 days Okay. prior to April school

1900
02:26:39,480 --> 02:26:48,960
vacation commencing and then prior to
that April 30th meeting. And who will we

1901
02:26:45,640 --> 02:26:52,280
send what what groups do we send?
First of all,

1902
02:26:50,360 --> 02:26:56,680
is there somebody that's willing to help
put together that survey and should

1903
02:26:54,480 --> 02:27:01,160
there be contacts
information that goes with it so that

1904
02:26:59,400 --> 02:27:05,440
there's an you know, understanding of
what the choices are?

1905
02:27:03,760 --> 02:27:09,200
Anyone willing to work on that?
>> I'll help so. I just don't know how to

1906
02:27:07,320 --> 02:27:12,120
do it if someone knows how to do it.
Would it be Shawn? That did it. Okay, so

1907
02:27:11,080 --> 02:27:19,440
yeah.
I'll help. Okay. Yeah. Um

1908
02:27:15,480 --> 02:27:19,440
and we would want that to go out when?

1909
02:27:19,800 --> 02:27:24,120
Probably as soon as possible.
Yeah.

1910
02:27:24,200 --> 02:27:26,560
Okay.

1911
02:27:26,640 --> 02:27:30,080
And to what groups?

1912
02:27:31,640 --> 02:27:35,440
I mean parents, staff.

1913
02:27:36,360 --> 02:27:42,600
If there's some students that want some
input. Yeah, it's probably a good thing.

1914
02:27:41,080 --> 02:27:46,600
Um
as our representatives will say, a good

1915
02:27:44,840 --> 02:27:50,200
thing to um
if we can

1916
02:27:48,040 --> 02:27:55,600
And when would we say that the um it
needed to be returned by?

1917
02:27:53,120 --> 02:27:59,282
I'm not just asking you. I think people
really need it we need to if we're going

1918
02:27:57,760 --> 02:28:01,520
to send it Monday, today is Thursday.
[clears throat]

1919
02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:05,360
Um
Friday before break because I think once

1920
02:28:03,520 --> 02:28:08,400
people leave for vacation then it's kind
of gone.

1921
02:28:07,400 --> 02:28:12,800
Okay.
I think five days is more than more than

1922
02:28:10,160 --> 02:28:12,800
sufficient.

1923
02:28:14,320 --> 02:28:23,400
And once the packet is is ready
um does anyone So Leah and Shawn are

1924
02:28:21,560 --> 02:28:29,040
going to work on it well, I don't I
think Shawn will

1925
02:28:26,200 --> 02:28:33,680
do the mechanics of it, the um
the body of it. Do

1926
02:28:31,320 --> 02:28:36,360
you want to circulate that or how do we
what do we do?

1927
02:28:39,040 --> 02:28:45,880
Yeah, once you kind of write up whatever
it it'll say then you can just kind of

1928
02:28:43,280 --> 02:28:52,600
send it to us just to
I would recommend that if possible that

1929
02:28:49,680 --> 02:28:58,720
we include the timeline
um with it so people understand what

1930
02:28:54,440 --> 02:28:58,720
their what their choices are. Yes.

1931
02:29:03,560 --> 02:29:07,360
All right, should we put this into a
motion?

1932
02:29:08,360 --> 02:29:14,680
Want me to take a stab?
Um I'll entertain a motion

1933
02:29:13,640 --> 02:29:19,440
uh
that we the uh school committee will

1934
02:29:18,040 --> 02:29:22,680
disseminate
an online survey

1935
02:29:21,520 --> 02:29:25,360
to
parents

1936
02:29:28,040 --> 02:29:40,640
teachers and staff
that asks them whether they would prefer

1937
02:29:35,720 --> 02:29:44,680
to go forward with an expedited
superintendent search

1938
02:29:42,720 --> 02:29:50,680
or
have an interim superintendent

1939
02:29:47,880 --> 02:29:50,680
for next year.

1940
02:29:56,000 --> 02:29:59,360
Anyone want to amend that?

1941
02:29:59,600 --> 02:30:10,040
Just add includes students.
I will Are we going to survey them or

1942
02:30:06,040 --> 02:30:10,040
are we going to speak to the students?

1943
02:30:13,440 --> 02:30:19,800
How would they get a survey?
Excuse me? How would the students get a

1944
02:30:17,240 --> 02:30:23,080
survey? Is there a different way or It's
Google survey, so they have all have

1945
02:30:21,320 --> 02:30:27,840
access. The same. Okay.
>> We might want to limit, you know,

1946
02:30:24,800 --> 02:30:32,600
obviously not kids in kindergarten.
We can determine but maybe

1947
02:30:30,520 --> 02:30:37,640
we determine what level of students if
we want high school and up or

1948
02:30:35,680 --> 02:30:40,560
Or the representative boards. Correct,
yeah. From the Yeah, from the school

1949
02:30:39,080 --> 02:30:43,480
committee from the student committees,
yeah.

1950
02:30:41,520 --> 02:30:45,760
I didn't hear that. The student
committees.

1951
02:30:44,040 --> 02:30:49,320
» Yeah, yeah, maybe the student maybe the
student advisory committee.

1952
02:30:46,880 --> 02:30:49,320
» Yeah.

1953
02:30:51,520 --> 02:30:57,280
Want to read that back to us, Kim?
Sure.

1954
02:30:55,640 --> 02:31:00,440
A motion for school committee to
disseminate an online survey to parents,

1955
02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:04,320
teachers,
staff, and the student advisory

1956
02:31:02,080 --> 02:31:09,280
committee whether they prefer an
expedited search or an interim

1957
02:31:06,280 --> 02:31:09,280
superintendent.

1958
02:31:09,560 --> 02:31:14,920
Do I hear a second?
Second.

1959
02:31:13,400 --> 02:31:22,160
All those in favor?
I. Let's discuss. Oh, sorry.

1960
02:31:18,760 --> 02:31:26,960
Uh I am all for the survey, however, um
I just want to strongly voice my opinion

1961
02:31:25,040 --> 02:31:30,920
that we should go with the interim
superintendent search timeline based on

1962
02:31:29,160 --> 02:31:35,520
my experience and the points that I
brought up earlier. But, I will vote I

1963
02:31:33,240 --> 02:31:38,760
in favor of the survey going out.
I agree with you, Chris.

1964
02:31:39,160 --> 02:31:46,240
Any other comments from anyone?
Hi.

1965
02:31:43,080 --> 02:31:49,640
Um if when you if the wording on the
survey, can you just maybe put the

1966
02:31:48,080 --> 02:31:53,160
footnotes just to some of the things
that were talked about tonight about how

1967
02:31:51,520 --> 02:31:56,760
the cost doesn't go up cuz I think the
budget issue is going to be

1968
02:31:55,480 --> 02:32:01,280
a big part of it. Like for people
thinking it's going to cost double. So,

1969
02:31:58,680 --> 02:32:04,960
can is there any way to put
like a paragraph before people choose

1970
02:32:03,280 --> 02:32:08,720
just to have some of those pieces of
information?

1971
02:32:07,040 --> 02:32:12,480
Perfect. That's a very good point. I
think in the context of what we were

1972
02:32:10,240 --> 02:32:15,800
talking about um
there's some different points that we

1973
02:32:14,080 --> 02:32:18,080
should make sure and that is one of
them.

1974
02:32:19,160 --> 02:32:26,680
Uh Alex Cook, 32 S. Main Street. Um I
will say I understand why you choose to

1975
02:32:24,480 --> 02:32:30,040
go to the student advisory committee,
but I will also note that advisory

1976
02:32:28,360 --> 02:32:34,560
committee is only made up of high school
students and I think that does a

1977
02:32:31,960 --> 02:32:38,800
disadvantage to the lower grades. I
would suggest maybe

1978
02:32:36,480 --> 02:32:42,880
um I'm not 100% sure if the middle
school still has a class president

1979
02:32:40,560 --> 02:32:47,760
system, but I would suggest maybe
including those representatives because

1980
02:32:45,200 --> 02:32:52,560
it does disservice them to only speak to
an advisory committee of only high

1981
02:32:49,440 --> 02:32:57,640
schoolers. Not This is not take input
from the lower grades. Thank you.

1982
02:32:55,040 --> 02:32:57,640
Thanks, Alex.

1983
02:33:01,960 --> 02:33:09,040
Can I just ask one more question? You
know, I'm in favor of the survey.

1984
02:33:06,680 --> 02:33:13,520
But, the intent is you know, okay, so
this goes out and

1985
02:33:11,040 --> 02:33:17,200
it there's going to be one group that's
going to sit there and say yes or no

1986
02:33:15,320 --> 02:33:20,880
they're going to pick one of those two.
At the end of the day, does this come

1987
02:33:18,960 --> 02:33:24,680
back to this board to vote on which
direction?

1988
02:33:22,200 --> 02:33:28,440
So, I guess the cautionary tale would be
if they said, "Hey, let's take let's go

1989
02:33:27,280 --> 02:33:32,600
the expedited route. Let's get the
full-term superintendent."

1990
02:33:30,680 --> 02:33:38,640
But, then this group decides to vote and
say, "Hey, we want to put the interim

1991
02:33:36,280 --> 02:33:42,600
um in motion."
Now, you're kind of going against what

1992
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:46,800
the popular vote said. So, it's just a
cautionary tale. I can see it both ways.

1993
02:33:45,000 --> 02:33:50,080
I think the survey should be done, but
I'm just trying to think through the

1994
02:33:47,840 --> 02:33:52,920
entire process and and what could
possibly happen.

1995
02:33:56,916 --> 02:34:00,200
» [clears throat]
>> Other thoughts?

1996
02:34:02,840 --> 02:34:06,920
I I will add to that.
It's the

1997
02:34:05,960 --> 02:34:10,800
Oh.
Sorry. One more thing I'm thinking about

1998
02:34:08,560 --> 02:34:15,840
the survey and who it goes out to. Um
you know, I know we said parents, but

1999
02:34:12,200 --> 02:34:19,960
there's some parents of kids that
would be impacted by this that

2000
02:34:18,240 --> 02:34:23,720
aren't going to get that survey because
they're not in the system yet, but they

2001
02:34:21,280 --> 02:34:28,400
would be, right? So, like thinking about
kids that have preschoolers

2002
02:34:25,520 --> 02:34:33,760
um that if this decision is made for
another interim versus waiting a year a

2003
02:34:32,120 --> 02:34:37,760
expedited search
that wouldn't have a say um because

2004
02:34:35,760 --> 02:34:41,240
their kids are right on that cusp of
not being in school to be counted in

2005
02:34:39,400 --> 02:34:44,120
whatever email system there is. So, just
something to consider.

2006
02:34:48,400 --> 02:34:56,680
Um
one thing I would um ask you to consider

2007
02:34:53,800 --> 02:35:01,320
is to educate the public on what this
timeline is going to look like and what

2008
02:34:59,400 --> 02:35:05,800
it all entails. Because someone's going
to say it's an interim, it's going to be

2009
02:35:03,440 --> 02:35:08,800
4 months, but what does that look like?
So, if if you give them some more

2010
02:35:07,480 --> 02:35:13,240
information, they might be able to make
a better decision.

2011
02:35:10,840 --> 02:35:13,240
Thank you.

2012
02:35:17,040 --> 02:35:23,120
Anyone else?
Anyone else from the board?

2013
02:35:24,160 --> 02:35:26,560
Um

2014
02:35:27,480 --> 02:35:34,760
On the Did we put the dates on there?
So, it's going to go We think

2015
02:35:32,320 --> 02:35:39,640
and I'm not even positive that we
I'm hoping that Sean can

2016
02:35:37,240 --> 02:35:39,640
Who's that?

2017
02:35:40,320 --> 02:35:45,760
You have no thoughts? I I don't know
that Sean can do this by Monday.

2018
02:35:44,360 --> 02:35:48,760
You know, there's there's
So,

2019
02:35:46,720 --> 02:35:48,760
uh

2020
02:35:48,800 --> 02:35:53,720
there's that. Okay.
There's a lot

2021
02:35:52,480 --> 02:35:58,600
There's a lot going on. Today's
Thursday. Tomorrow's Friday. Mhm.

2022
02:35:56,120 --> 02:35:58,600
Um

2023
02:36:02,440 --> 02:36:09,720
If this is not able to be
done by

2024
02:36:07,080 --> 02:36:13,480
a certain date,
I don't know. I just I I feel that we

2025
02:36:11,520 --> 02:36:17,120
are really tying ourselves up in some
real big

2026
02:36:14,760 --> 02:36:21,000
unlisted timing knots
that are going to hurt ourselves. Mhm.

2027
02:36:27,200 --> 02:36:33,560
Does that change anybody's thoughts? All
right.

2028
02:36:30,120 --> 02:36:33,560
Um so,

2029
02:36:33,880 --> 02:36:42,440
all those in favor of uh
creating and sending out a

2030
02:36:38,960 --> 02:36:47,760
survey, if possible, on Monday,
um please say I.

2031
02:36:45,560 --> 02:36:50,280
I. I.
Opposed?

2032
02:36:52,640 --> 02:36:55,120
And we have it.

2033
02:36:56,960 --> 02:37:01,720
All right.
Whoops. Sorry.

2034
02:37:04,120 --> 02:37:11,680
Uh next, as we talked about, is uh
April and May School Committee meetings.

2035
02:37:10,200 --> 02:37:15,640
Uh
What are folks We already have School

2036
02:37:13,920 --> 02:37:20,640
Committee meet- meetings scheduled for
May 14th and May 28th.

2037
02:37:18,920 --> 02:37:23,360
Um, we know that we're we really are
going to need another

2038
02:37:22,160 --> 02:37:28,000
um, meeting
uh, and the one that we are thinking

2039
02:37:25,200 --> 02:37:33,440
about is April 30th.
Uh, which we need both for budget

2040
02:37:30,480 --> 02:37:36,720
reasons as well as for the search
questions.

2041
02:37:34,960 --> 02:37:43,920
Uh,
does April 30th work for you folks?

2042
02:37:41,520 --> 02:37:49,720
I'm going to say no.
That's probably wise.

2043
02:37:46,200 --> 02:37:49,720
So, I'll abstain from any vote.

2044
02:37:50,640 --> 02:37:56,720
Okay, and Mike, this I've not done
before. How do we check on room

2045
02:37:55,400 --> 02:37:58,720
availability?
Uh,

2046
02:37:57,400 --> 02:38:05,280
Anne
talk to Paul and

2047
02:38:00,640 --> 02:38:05,280
Okay. Tim. Okay, thank you.

2048
02:38:05,560 --> 02:38:12,440
All right.
Next is the consent agenda.

2049
02:38:12,560 --> 02:38:20,840
Mike, approval well, approval of
warrants. I just thought before we

2050
02:38:18,280 --> 02:38:23,400
approve these warrants, Mike Mike give
us a little

2051
02:38:22,200 --> 02:38:27,920
how we get to this point with these
warrants that showed up in your

2052
02:38:26,240 --> 02:38:32,680
drives.
Yeah, so I'm already in trouble.

2053
02:38:30,960 --> 02:38:36,040
There were warrants that I was supposed
to bring for you to sign. So, what

2054
02:38:34,160 --> 02:38:40,160
happens is every
uh, all during

2055
02:38:37,920 --> 02:38:44,800
every day, we're paying bills and
setting up warrants

2056
02:38:42,280 --> 02:38:48,280
uh, that a committee member needs to go
in and sign.

2057
02:38:46,560 --> 02:38:52,440
Um,
so there is a warrant in my office that

2058
02:38:50,480 --> 02:38:55,480
was supposed to come with me so somebody
can sign it.

2059
02:38:53,800 --> 02:38:58,560
Uh, so I do need someone to come
tomorrow

2060
02:38:56,680 --> 02:39:02,000
and sign. Um,
but we build the warrants, it's all the

2061
02:39:00,160 --> 02:39:07,240
bills for the month
and you go through them, review them,

2062
02:39:04,800 --> 02:39:09,680
sign off on them, and then they come in
this form

2063
02:39:08,720 --> 02:39:13,160
uh
on the agenda

2064
02:39:11,200 --> 02:39:19,160
after the fact. Uh
so, the ones that are on this are

2065
02:39:16,880 --> 02:39:24,520
uh from previous, but we we do have a
warrant. I don't know if you're

2066
02:39:20,040 --> 02:39:27,960
available tomorrow to go over to Forest
or someone.

2067
02:39:26,320 --> 02:39:30,880
Cuz if you can't, so I'm I'm off work
tomorrow, so I can go That would be

2068
02:39:29,760 --> 02:39:33,000
cool. I got to
go into Boston tomorrow.

2069
02:39:31,880 --> 02:39:38,320
» Yeah.
What else am I doing?

2070
02:39:35,560 --> 02:39:43,160
So, that's the process. It It's
every 2 weeks there's a warrant to be

2071
02:39:40,720 --> 02:39:47,320
signed. It has every bill, every backup,
all the invoices.

2072
02:39:45,440 --> 02:39:50,440
And then
if

2073
02:39:48,920 --> 02:39:55,560
they get them to me like they did, I can
bring them here, save some time.

2074
02:39:52,960 --> 02:40:00,440
Um but, we'll do that. So, that's how
the warrant process goes, so that the

2075
02:39:57,440 --> 02:40:06,120
board is aware of what we're spending
uh on a daily basis.

2076
02:40:02,720 --> 02:40:10,160
And also involves some uh
series of checks

2077
02:40:08,600 --> 02:40:14,440
uh different kind of checks.
Uh

2078
02:40:10,880 --> 02:40:17,880
the department head signs, you sign.
Purchase Yeah, the whole requisition,

2079
02:40:16,240 --> 02:40:21,560
purchase order, everything goes through
a

2080
02:40:19,280 --> 02:40:25,280
uh a checks and balances and really a
number of approval

2081
02:40:23,440 --> 02:40:28,640
for the payment.
And and then the school committee

2082
02:40:26,720 --> 02:40:31,320
members sign them before they come to
the full board.

2083
02:40:31,840 --> 02:40:40,800
Um so, uh a movie that we
we uh approved the warrants

2084
02:40:39,360 --> 02:40:44,200
uh that have gone through that process
that were in your uh that were in your

2085
02:40:43,560 --> 02:40:47,320
uh
drive.

2086
02:40:45,760 --> 02:40:52,440
I have a second?
Second.

2087
02:40:48,480 --> 02:40:56,360
All those in favor? I. I. I.
And that's unanimous.

2088
02:40:55,080 --> 02:41:01,200
Uh
and so, we're down to information.

2089
02:40:59,480 --> 02:41:06,000
Uh Middleborough High School Speech and
Theater workshop is uh June 12th and

2090
02:41:04,320 --> 02:41:10,560
13th.
Middleborough High School class of 2026

2091
02:41:08,240 --> 02:41:15,280
have online
sales

2092
02:41:12,480 --> 02:41:18,560
um they're happening that you you saw
in your um

2093
02:41:17,000 --> 02:41:25,280
in your drive.
Uh I also wanted to note that we got an

2094
02:41:21,720 --> 02:41:31,240
invitation from um
Miss Sacha from Meg to

2095
02:41:27,640 --> 02:41:37,280
go to the space camp on Tuesday. Um and
and those are wonderful events as well

2096
02:41:33,600 --> 02:41:41,720
as uh a request that maybe that she
could come to a bring the kids to a

2097
02:41:39,400 --> 02:41:46,040
future uh school committee meeting which
I think would be fabulous. And so I I

2098
02:41:43,960 --> 02:41:48,440
will pursue uh getting them here for
that.

2099
02:41:49,720 --> 02:41:55,120
With all of that, I'll entertain a
motion to adjourn.

2100
02:41:56,000 --> 02:42:02,280
Someone has to say so moved.
So moved.

2101
02:41:59,960 --> 02:42:09,240
And second? Second.
All those in favor? I. I.

2102
02:42:05,640 --> 02:42:09,240
Thank you and good night.

2103
02:42:09,360 --> 02:42:14,080
Bye. What time are you
I mean on Wednesday I'll drop the kids

2104
02:42:12,520 --> 02:42:17,200
off in the morning and
Any time. Are you

2105
02:42:15,920 --> 02:42:19,040
you're at
school?

2106
02:42:17,600 --> 02:42:23,480
» Yeah, I'm at Yeah, I know.
No, they're usually at Oh. Forest. So if

2107
02:42:21,400 --> 02:42:25,680
you brought them over to me Oh, okay.
Oh, I forgot to bring you the money.

2108
02:42:24,960 --> 02:42:29,400
Okay.
I'll um I'm going to do it. I'll Yeah,

2109
02:42:27,240 --> 02:42:32,520
I'll try to get there
Get them off the bus and get them back.