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We have

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a moment of silence, keep our troops and our law enforcement and our thoughts that they come home safe.

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Thank you.

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So to the flag, pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which a stands, one nation on their out in this world is very injustice for all of them.

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If you notice of this meeting, presumed to the open public meetings act, and J.S.A. Tenkel and Ford AshChannel has been complied with and shall be entered into the minutes of this meeting.

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We'll call for Elder Armwood, for Elder Kenny, for Elder Koppel, for Elder Nara, for Elder

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Tamara, for Elder Valente, for Elder Derectorias, for Elder Derectorias.

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Yes, first is recognizing the schools are participated in the McFoods Food Drive.

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Next is Superclaim June as Elder Abuse Awareness Awareness Month in middle-sex County

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and last is recognizing the Lebanese Information Center.

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And what

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we have to have a motion, a motion before we make the president say that, motion

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by field of valente, second of our field of tomorrow, World of Paul.

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Field of Armwood?

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Field of the Cabo?

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Field of the Nara?

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Yes.

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Field of the Valente?

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Yes.

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Field of the director.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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How are

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we?

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Good evening.

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My foes, this middle-sauce county, network of more than 100 food pantries, soup

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and social service agencies that provide nutritious foods to county residents in

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Maine. Macfoods provides non-perishable foods, bread, produce, dairy, and meat products twice a week.

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Macfoods also provides agencies with networking opportunities, resource tools, and nutritional

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guidelines for clients, as well as advocating for programs and policies to come back

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hunger and poverty.

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McFood partners are the community food bank of New Jersey,

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and many local business groups, clubs, individuals and schools

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who sponsor food drives to keep our shelves stocked with healthy foods.

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In 2016, McFood received and distributed over 1.5 million pounds of food.

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The annual Spring School Food Drive is the largest

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single-food drive to benefit McFoods each year.

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This year, 120 schools participated and donated over 48 tons of food.

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These contributions help us see us through the summer months when donations typically fall

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off and needs increase.

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This evening we will be recognizing some of the top collecting schools from this year's

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school food drive, as well as other youth organizations and schools that also had exceptional

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collections. I'm going to turn their meeting over to Jasper Apostle, who is a dynamic director

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of my foods. Okay,

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good evening. I'd first like to recognize the overchise school junior

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R02's T.C. Unfortunately, they couldn't be here tonight, but they were our top collecting school

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Over 100 cadets participated in their food drive this past fall they partner with several local retailers to collect food throughout the community.

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In all, they filled over 136 of our Mcfoods containers with their extraordinary efforts over 6,800 pounds of food was collected this year by them.

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So we thank them for their efforts.

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I'd like to invite up now members from the East Friends with Cub Scouts from Troops 132 and 223 if they're here.

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Not sure they were able to make it.

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Well, it doesn't go like they're here but I would like to recognize the fact that they held a food drive outside several local grocery stores on November 5th and 6th.

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And through their efforts we received 5,500 pounds of food and over a thousand dollars in monetary contributions.

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Both these troops will also be volunteering with us to help with set up and clean up of a

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hunger awareness event we'll be having on June 10th called Dine Below the Line.

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So we're very grateful for their involvement and support of our program.

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Next I'd like to invite Christine Spatola and Jennifer Boss, student council moderators

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from Mawbee School in Woodbridge to come up.

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Mawbee School in Woodbridge.

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They collected over 5,000 pounds of food through their Super Bowl themes collection coordinated

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by the student council. They hold the drive the week before and after the actual super bowl

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and have a competition between classrooms. The top five classes receive recognition on the

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loudspeaker and every student from the top three classes receive a spirit stick and the top

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boy and girl from each class receive spirit sticks.

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I'd

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like to invite representatives from the

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The FCCLA club sponsored two food drives this past fall and donated a total of 4,650 pounds of food.

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In September, they held a food drive at JPE Stevens High School with a home room competition and the FCCLA made a hot breakfast for the first and second place home room students.

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On November 21st, a collection was held at the NJFCCLI Fall Leadership Connection at the

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Prime's Manor, all participating schools brought donations and the schools with the

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most donations were recognized. We also received a $500 grant award that was received

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in recognition of the JPE Stevens FCCLI lead to feed student leadership program challenge

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project that was related to their food drives and supportive McFoods.

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So we thank you so much for your efforts.

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Are you guys from the East Brunswick Scouts?

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Okay, we just did you guys, but you can come up and get your certificate.

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I'm two for each.

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Give them both.

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You want to take the other one too or no?

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Okay, I'll get it to them.

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I think that's the one that you have there.

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Next, I'd like to ask the representatives from the Nora Ul,

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I'm on school and South Brunswick to come up.

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Their school donated 4,000 pounds of food during our spring food drive.

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They had a community service club was created, created a food drive committee to organize the food drive.

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They created a theme for the food drive and UI going for 5,000,

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where their goal was to collect 5,000 items.

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They encouraged every student to try to bring in 10 items to help meet their goal.

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And the class with the highest average number of items won a pizza party.

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And the social studies teacher offered extra credit to students who brought in items and wrote a description of what it meant to the student to help out the community.

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Thank you so much.

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Director, on a personal note, I'm just going to say this.

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Mrs. Catevic and I are childhood best friends.

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Next we're going to recognize Colonia High School. I don't believe they could be here tonight, but they did donate 3,900 pounds of food,

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which is actually only half the amount of total food that they collected. The other half was donated to a local food pantry.

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The Interac clubs sponsored their food drive and ran a competition between home rooms. So we thank them.

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Next I'd like to ask Principal Paragalo and Mrs. Lewandowski from a touch and high school to come up.

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They donated a total of 3,100 pounds of food. They had a bottle of the class's food drive competition in the fall

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And in March, coincide with our spring school food drive.

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They held a pie day food drive where the theme was to collect circular items like cans and Cheerios.

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Many thanks to Mrs. Lewandowski for her longstanding dedication and commitment to our community

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and encouraging students to participate in these food drives every year.

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We'd be very much appreciate you.

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Next, we're going to recognize the East Runs of High School football team who also could not be here tonight.

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But we'd like to recognize their efforts under the leadership of coach molars and

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and player Timmy Goodzac.

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The team holds an annual food drive every July.

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The timing of their collection is critical for McFood as a summer is the most difficult

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time of year to keep our shelves stocked.

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Team members pass out flyers and bags in their neighborhoods.

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The flyer indicates when the boys will be back to pick up their contribution.

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All the donations received from the community are brought back to the locker room for pick

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by McFoods. We receive 2,750 pounds of food thanks to their efforts and the generosity of the

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East Brunswick community.

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South Brunswick High School is also not here tonight, but we want

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to recognize the fact that they donated 2,500 pounds of food to McFoods and an equal amount

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to the South Brunswick Township Food Pantry. The food drive is sponsored by the Viking Leadership

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Alliance Group. The students go outside several local grocery stores on a designated weekend

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and collect donations from patrons.

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The Chittick School in East Brunswick also is not here,

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but through their fall drive,

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we received 2,450 pounds of food.

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St. Helena in Edison's also not here,

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but they had through classroom competitions

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and dressed down days, contributed 2,050 pounds of food

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during their spring school food drive.

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The AC Red Shaw School and New Brunswick

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couldn't be here either,

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but they collected 2,000 pounds of food

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during the spring school food drive.

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The principal may daily announcements about the food drive

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and encourages every student to bring in at least one item.

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I'd like to ask Jessica Valentine,

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the student council advisor from Linwood Middle School

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to come up.

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Okay, guess she couldn't make it.

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But the student council sponsor, they fall food drive

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and they donate 2,000 pounds of food.

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The scat away high school couldn't be here,

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but their key club members sponsor

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to spring food drive and donated 2,000 pounds of food.

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I'm not sure if anyone is here

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from the Vaughan E-Mogger middle school in middle sex.

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Okay, but they, their school was able to donate 1,750 pounds

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during our spring food drive.

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I know that no one that could be here from the Erwin Elementary School in East Brunswick tonight, but they donated 1,650 pounds of food during our spring school food drive, and they decided to hold another food drive right after the end of May, and they were able to donate another 1,000 pounds of food during that collection.

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Their school nurse, Lily Ladman, has been the driving force behind the multiple food drive the school sponsors every year. Mrs. Ladman is retiring this year, and we're very grateful for her dedication and support and will miss her support.

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Oak Tree Elementary School of Monroe couldn't be here, but they were able to donate 1,600 pounds of food

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during our Spring Food Drive.

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Will Maya and Angelie from the middle six county academy for science, math, and engineering

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technology please come up.

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These students represent the Red Cross and Interaclubbs who co-sponsored the Spring Food Drive

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through their efforts 1,500 pounds of food were donated.

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The Doctor Herbert and Richard Schoul couldn't be represented tonight, however their students

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for able to donate 1,500 pounds of food.

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I'd like to invite Lisa Moore

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from the Randolphville School to come on up.

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I know they're principal encourages student participation

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in many ways including classroom competitions

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and an activity that involves using donated items

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to learn about food labeling.

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And they were also able to donate 1,500 pounds of food.

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So that wraps up our recognition for this evening.

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I'd like to offer a final thank you

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to everyone who supports the McFoods Program.

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No matter how large or small, each and every contribution makes a tremendous difference.

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This program has a major impact on the lives of so many middle-sex county residents.

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We are not only providing food the most basic of needs, but we are also providing encouragement

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and support to those who need it most.

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Many pantries in our network also offer services including clothing, rent or utility assistance

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and referrals for other social service programs.

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Through the McFood Network, our agencies are collaborating together to share information

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and resources to most effectively and efficiently meet the needs of our most vulnerable

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citizens.

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So, in closing, I thank all the volunteers who work tirelessly to provide these much-needed

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services and to those in our community who give so generously to help us ensure middle-sex

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county residents have access to nutritious foods and necessities at all times.

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Stay informed about McFoods and our partner agencies and how you can get involved.

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Please follow us on our social media pages. Thank you.

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Thank you Jennifer for your tremendous leadership.

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Each Realtor has been provided with a list of correspondence you're see by the clerk's office in our list meeting this correspondence will be kept on

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File and the office of the clerk of the board for reference

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Board of chosen fielders regular meeting may 18 2017 at 10 at 7 o'clock PM

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Second, motion to accept, five-fueled, the moment they seconded my field into Merrill,

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Rokal.

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Freelder Armwood?

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Yes.

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Freelder Koppel?

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Yes.

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Freelder Nara?

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Yes.

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Freelder Valente?

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Yes.

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Freelder Derectoria?

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Yes.

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Ordnance is the introduction in first reading that clerk will read ordnance number 17-002 by

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Tylong.

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Guarantee ordnance 17-002 securing the middle-sex tiny improvement authorities, county guaranteed

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capital equipment and improvement revenue bond series, 2017 and aggregate

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principle amount not to exceed $15 million.

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There are motion to adopt one, there's something

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to take second by Philip

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tomorrow.

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Real-der-Armwood?

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Yes.

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Real-der-Koppel?

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Yes.

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Real-der-Nara?

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Yes.

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Real-der-Valenti?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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The course of free hold.

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20's comprehensive long-term financial strategy has been taking advantage of

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historically low interest rates in order to refinance as much old debt as possible.

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the old debt carried higher interest rates.

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During the past five years, the county refinance nearly all of our eligible debt.

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The only remaining debt of 4 refinancing of $11,465,000 comprises of the 2009 certificates

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of participation bonds.

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Our plan was to refinances that in November of 2016, however, at that time, higher interest

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rates caused the savings to fall below the 3% state required threshold.

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On May 18th, taking advantage of recently improved market conditions, the county completed the

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right refinancing a favorable interest rates of 2.33%, and the total debt service savings

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of this bond refunding sale are $750,000.

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With this latest bond sale, the county will have saved taxpayers over $13 million from refunding

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old bonds over the past five years.

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That concludes my report.

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Thank you for your help.

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Thank you for your help.

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Thank you, Director.

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And I apologize, because I left my reading glasses in the car.

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This is a report for the Department of Public Safety and Health.

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The Department's hazardous materials response unit, known as Hazmat, responds to an excess

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of 350 calls annually.

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These responses include roadway accidents where hazardous materials are spilled and chemical

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owners and unknown substances are reported. In an effort to quicken the unit's response, the

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department in collaboration with local municipalities developed and implemented an automatic

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dispatch response system. Previously, the local municipality would respond to the scene,

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assess the situation, and then notify Hazmat that their assistance was required. Under this new

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Once established response protocols are triggered, the Hazmat Unit is immediately dispatched in concert with that town's first responders.

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This new notification procedure expedites the units response, thereby eliminating delays and allows for a quicker cleanup of these hazardous situations.

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As mosquito season approaches, residents are reminded to take some easy basic steps in curving the breeding of these nasty pests.

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Resents are advised to remove areas of standing water on your property as these are environments

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where female mosquitoes lay their eggs.

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Standing water in buckets, tires, clogged roof gutters and the like are all breeding grounds

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for these insects.

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Make sure your window and door screens are tight fitting and don't have any holes where these

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insects may enter your home.

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For additional information or if you have any questions visit the county's website or contact

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I mean, mosquito commission at 7 3 2 5 4 9 0 6 6 5 and I can attest that there have been a number of residents who have already reached out to me and to the department and I've heard some positive responses that they that the mosquito commission got back to them and is are implementing some protocols in whatever towns they reside in so that's my report for tonight director thank you.

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Thank you,

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thank you director on just some reports on the plays in the park as Charlie's not here to report on it. So yes, meeting report

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Plays in the park will begin on June Wednesday June 21st with our new start time at 8 p.m. So don't show up at 830 because you'll miss the first half hour

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The plays legally bond which can be great fun it runs through

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July 1st take out the county website for more information including audio description

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Open captioning and sign language interpretation.

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Most of this kind of freeholders are proud to offer complementary

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mission to the summer musicals to act the US military service members

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and their immediate families.

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Please present proper ID when picking up tickets.

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Veterans and hidden heroes will also be offered complimentary

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mission for shows on Monday, June 26 and Tuesday, June 27.

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Check out our website or call the Park Office for more information

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at 732-745-3936. And also, Woodbridge Township will be having as well. Well, in this campaign,

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when they June 7, you meet at 530 at the Dudes Park, which is a May Street entrance,

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entrance to our greenway in Addison, and the walk starts at 6 p.m. That's my reports director.

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Thank you. Thank you for your allure director, Middlesex County recently held a second

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round of comprehensive, intensive team training for local law enforcement and behavioral health providers.

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This comprehensive five-day training program is designed to improve local law enforcement

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and mental health systems response, the community residents experiencing psychiatric distress.

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Office serves from nine municipalities participated in the training, a low-less

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behavioral health programs including Rutgers, UBHC, Accusiciatric Services, and just as

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involved services, Legacy, IOC, and NAMI New Jersey.

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The CIT training program includes classroom instruction, resource information, sharing, community

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side visits and practical exercises, CIT training provides participants within knowledge

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and skills to one link people with mental illness with a

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appropriate community-based supports and services.

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Second, reduce injury and third, promote public safety for

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all middle-sex canis citizens, including law enforcement officers,

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and people impacted by hip-behavioral health challenges.

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And that's my report, director.

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Thank you.

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They are none.

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They are none.

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They are none.

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They are none.

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They are none.

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I like to open up the meetings in the public on any resolutions that are listed on

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the state

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your name and address and you have five minutes.

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Good evening, I am Daniel Lima.

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I don't live in mental security, however, I have worked in New Brunswick since 2011.

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I also am a graduate of Rutgers.

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I appreciate the work that you have been doing regarding the revised May 24th policy on

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I support the resolution.

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However, there are some concerns that I have.

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The policy is too vague when describing the role of the sheriff's

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Under Section 2B, it states that a sheriff's officer can assist

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if, and I quote, there's a nexus to criminal activity

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and or assistance in the immediate interest of public safety.

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This vagueness may lead to unwarranted incidents like the one

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that occurred on March 31st.

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What does nexus to criminal activity specifically?

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Excuse me, can I just interrupt you a second?

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You're looking at a version that's been modified.

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Okay.

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For the members of the public, there are copies of the most current version, which was reviewed just before this meeting in close session.

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We may copies to the available to all of you.

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But again, the specific reference to nexus to criminal activities been eliminated.

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It's been replaced with other language.

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And I said, if somebody could just take the pile and pass it out, that would be great.

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It was here and I, where it usually is.

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Well, that's because we were in closed session start, and we were reviewing it.

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Making sure that that's what we wanted to come out with where we came out.

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That's why it was just made available now.

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And,

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but then I have another.

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So here I do see that you have in the immediate interest of public safety.

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So in terms, so what does immediate interest of public safety actually mean?

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If this could be clarified as the section 1A, where you actually put in criminal activity and then you have it there, offenses involving danger to the person or community, so if that could be clarified in the section 2B, where it says public safety, interest of public safety.

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In addition, what I would like to end by asking the Board of Freeholders to make a public statement

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opposing ICE in the courthouse as did Chief Justice Ravner a couple weeks ago.

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This is especially important given that one of the two incidents that occurred in New Jersey

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where ICE took someone from the courthouse was in middle-sex county.

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So, thank you.

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So, it's my question.

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I don't know of you.

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The first part when you're talking about in the interest of public safety.

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Many of you have been to a lot of our meetings where we've discussed these issues.

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In between the meetings there have been a lot of discussions back and forth with a lot of stakeholders.

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advocates for the immigrant community as well as representatives from the various departments

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that would have to implement these policies and amongst all of the board, there's a balancing

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act that has to be made here. And when you ask about the interests of public safety, quite frankly,

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the share of officers, their primary responsibility is to maintain the safety within the courthouse.

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And so, we are telling our Sheriff's officers that they're not to participate or aid in

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ISIS actions with regards to individuals who are not in county custody.

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So if ISIS is going to enter the courthouse, which is a public place and despite the chief

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judge statement about it, that was a request.

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And the courthouses are running in Minister by the judiciary.

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And he did not ban them from the courthouse because it's questionable whether he has

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that authority, it's a public place.

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He requested that they not come in.

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And so if members of ICE come in and they take action against an individual in the courthouse

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who's not in our custody, the sheriff's departments' custody, the sheriff's officers

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are being told that they're not to participate or aid in that apprehension, that detention.

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However, there is an interest in maintaining safety in the courthouse.

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So if the situation arises where, because of the situation, an individual, we can think

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of a lot of examples and law enforcement has given us that, such if an individual should

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then try to evade the ice officer but and assaults the ice officer where our share of

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officers are in law enforcement they are under an obligation to respond if they see a

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crime occurring. In that situation they have to respond and they will. So that's why we're

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keeping that in there about public safety because they they have to maintain that. But this is

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but it's being made very clear to them. This is not something where we're asking them

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proactively get involved at all and there are going to be more there's going to be training protocols

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that we're going to do with the officers so that's the answer to what does public interest

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and safety mean it means just that making sure that the laws are not broken within the courthouse

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yeah exactly so if the boards do question if the board can also make a similar statement

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obviously not planning but um of just putting it out there

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I would like to begin by thanking all of you. I could just see briefly that the language for working on the resolution I know that many of us have shared concerns over the last few meetings and it's evident in just

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However, I do want to talk about this March 31st incident a bit more for those in attendants who may not be familiar with the incident that I'm referring to as reported by WNYC and also from obtained audio and undocumented immigrant who had come to his March 34th 30th hearing at the courthouse after being given probation was released to go home.

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Instead, he was handcuffed by Sheriff's officers in the courthouse and turned over to ICE.

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When this incident has been brought up, I brought it up myself last meeting.

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The action itself has been quickly passed over by the Board of Freeholders,

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which has led me to conclude possibly and accurately that you don't believe it happened.

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As concerned residents, I believe we need the assurance if you're passing a policy

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that if an incident such as this or incidents of this kind, that in the future that violate

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policy is of concern to you, that you would warrant further investigation.

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So tonight my question is to all of you, why hasn't this incident been further investigated?

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I can't state to you, but specifically whether or not the incident actually occurred or not,

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although I know you've noted it's been on video.

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We have had discussions with the sheriff with the sheriff to get to the bottom of the incident to occur.

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My concern is that in order to really accurately report back to you, there needs to be,

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you know, an interview with the sheriff's officers and what actually took place.

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But this was March 31, so why hasn't that happened?

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Well, I can't answer you to the question as to why it's not concluded, but we have requested

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that.

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It'd be done and interviews to do occur.

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Part of this is, I think, the result of the state of flux in which the policy was in.

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I can't say for certain that even if the sheriff's officers did that, they didn't feel

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that that was what they were supposed to do, which is part of why we need to have a policy

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that is in place has been that as we're doing this evening to make sure that everyone's aware

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of it and most importantly for us as we've talked about before is to establish the training

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programs as soon as possible once we've established a protocol associated with that which we're

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working on diligently trying to get that completed and fully vetted before we actually start

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trained and then have to retrain. So if that incident occurred, it's unfortunate because

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it is against what the spirit of what the freeholders are looking to do through this policy

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and just as a general policy that it would be inappropriate for us to have done that.

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Well, and I think you can understand why if you're passing a policy which I am in favor of

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and although I have some reservations, I haven't looked at the entire new version,

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But that it would be important that we have confidence that you would actually investigate violations of the policy.

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There's no question about that. I mean, the free holders are not going to establish a policy and find out that the departments aren't following it.

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Well, that's true. And I appreciate the fact that you're saying that you will follow through with the protocols and training because we know how important that is.

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And if I made director just one point that needs to be very clear here, part of the reason

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that we are really making sure that this is going, you know, we're going to take a vote

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on this today is because the prior policy was never formally adopted and it was something

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that was the spirit of the freeholders and tensions in 2014, but I think we're all aware

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that without a formal adoption with the requisite protocols and trainings, it becomes difficult

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for us to expect our employees to have a clear understanding of what it is we want.

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And that is the main thrust of us actually, trying to get this right, get it down on paper

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and begin to go on as we mean everyone to proceed.

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So I appreciate your concerns, but in an effort from me to be fair, I don't know if there was

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real clarity with the sheriff's officers about what the limitations of their authority or

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actions were. It's going to be clear to them now. Thank you.

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You have five minutes. Okay. My name is Ellen Witt and I live at 20 South First Avenue in

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Highland Park. I'm extremely concerned that ISIS had seemingly unlimited access to the county

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jail, and that they are routinely inside the jail two to three times per week.

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How do I know this? Well, first, the Warden emailed one of us and stated that ICE is

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routinely in the jail. Secondly, we know former inmates who have reported that several times

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a week ICE comes to talk to many men who appear to be immigrants. ICE agents press

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them to sign papers to self-deport, without any attorney present. If they don't sign

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newspapers, I say, I say, agents tell them that they will keep returning over and over again

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until they do. Now this can be extremely threatening when you are held with no attorney

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present and are pressed for information that could impact you and your family for the rest

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of your lives. The reason there is no attorney present, it is because a suspected violation of

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immigration law is a civil matter, not criminal, so people don't have a right to an attorney

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when dealing with ICE, unlike other real police.

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And the repeated visits, that's simply harassment.

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You may say that you can't restrict one police agency over another, as you did last meeting,

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But even when the so-called police agency is not dealing with the criminal issue,

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but the reality is is that ICE agents abuse their access when they press people to sign away their rights.

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And if someone signs away their right to do process in the courts under these conditions, then the county with its easy access policies is facilitating this.

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We need to stop the practice of allowing ICE to have unlimited access to anyone they want to target.

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The best and most simple, enforceable change that could be made is to grant ICE's access if and only if they have a judicial warrant.

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Showing a legal need to be there.

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Such a policy has been implemented in a number of jails around the country to ensure that local facilities are not used as part of the deportation machine.

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A valid judicial warrant issued by a judge should be the only basis for ice to have access

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to any facility in the county, including the jail, the juvenile detention center, and both

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court houses.

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I wanted to see if you could explain further based on your new policy, which I haven't

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had a chance to completely study the latest version, on what basis and conditions will ice

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agents be granted access to the jail and to the juvenile detention center.

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Our last meeting, we had this discussion previously on this and the policy statement

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indicated that it was our position that we could not limit their access to the adult

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correction center because they do represent law enforcement, just like any law enforcement

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representative is entitled to commit and under appropriate circumstances to be able to

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witnesses, they may be defendants, they may be victims.

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And our concern is that under federal regulations, whether we like it or not, they are considered

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law enforcement.

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And if we start restricting access to one law enforcement agency from another, then it has

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significant implications for the county.

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And again, our primary interest here, my responsibility is to protect the county.

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However, we recognize that I know in some of the advocacy materials we've seen, that

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there has been a recommendation that any of our inmates are provided with a fax sheet, which

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outlines what their rights are, including the right to not have to talk to anyone, including

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ice-representatives.

448
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And that is intended to be our position in regard to this policy.

449
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,340
We are working on that fax sheet now.

450
00:43:57,500 --> 00:44:01,500
We obviously feel it's important to be able to do that as soon as possible, and it's our

451
00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:07,400
expectation that within the next two weeks we'll have that prepared and it will be handed out to individuals.

452
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:15,620
I would like to encourage the advocacy groups that it's not just the corrections facility that,

453
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,620
you know, has the responsibility to try to train and to provide this information.

454
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:29,780
We're urging the advocacy groups to have their own materials available and have those forums available for people before they end up in the

455
00:44:29,780 --> 00:44:32,660
of Corrections Center to understand what their rights are.

456
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:42,200
But we do believe that it is not in the county's best interest and legally the responsibility

457
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,660
and the ability to restrict their access.

458
00:44:45,340 --> 00:44:52,280
In our training, we will make it a priority in our training for the Corrections Officers

459
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:58,120
to be mindful of what's occurring in the facility and to certainly make certain that people

460
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,460
or provide it with.

461
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,980
These materials, so that they don't, as you've indicated, and as we've heard before, that they're being pressured

462
00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:14,920
into signing voluntary orders of deportation. And we hope that that process and that protocol will limit

463
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:20,280
that actually occurring, but that is what is actually in the policy now.

464
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:37,220
Well, we were expecting was, would be a reference specifically in the policy to the question of addressing different languages, providing, and it's not actually in the policy, so that's a concern that it's not there, or it's specific rights such as the rights remains.

465
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:49,540
It's understandable, but we don't intend by the general policy, the freehold, just to try to micro marriage, what how this is going to be protocol and what the procedures are going to be.

466
00:45:49,540 --> 00:45:54,140
But that's a pretty fundamental thing that you commit yourselves to providing it in different languages.

467
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:57,300
Fundamental and certainly then you should be assured it's going to be in there.

468
00:45:57,460 --> 00:46:02,600
We wouldn't be giving a sheet with a language that the person wouldn't be able to read.

469
00:46:02,660 --> 00:46:03,820
We recognize that.

470
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:08,660
But my point is it doesn't need to be laid out in detail in the policy that's being adopted.

471
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:14,840
That's more appropriate for the protocols, the procedures that are being currently being developed and will be implemented.

472
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,620
But we certainly would do this in multi-language.

473
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:25,860
And Ellen, you know, for people who weren't here last time, it's not simply just a piece of paper that we're going to be providing to

474
00:46:25,860 --> 00:46:31,600
detain, you know, people who are inmates at the detention center. It's also access to a language line.

475
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:42,920
And so, because we recognize there may be people who can't read or write in their particular primary language. So there is going to be access to a language line,

476
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:50,180
that and it's our intent that ice is not going to just wander through the facility, just picking out people.

477
00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:56,680
They're going to have to make a specific request about an individual and wait until that individual's been advised.

478
00:46:57,380 --> 00:47:02,560
And there's a response. And so that's going to be a clear procedure somewhere.

479
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:08,720
Yeah, you always want to your answer, but we'll all do respect. We have a lot of people here that want to be heard.

480
00:47:09,620 --> 00:47:15,860
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Those are part and parcel of the protocols that are being developed right now.

481
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:16,520
Thank you.

482
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,300
Okay. My name is Susan Berquitz. I'm from Dent. Ten due close lane in Highland Park.

483
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,180
I'd first like to thank you for clearly addressing the response to Ice Detainer request

484
00:47:36,180 --> 00:47:41,060
and what was Section 1A of the Policy of the Policy. I'm not sure if it's still Section 1A of the new policy.

485
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,860
I do have two issues I'd like to request, however.

486
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,800
I have a concern that's not clearly addressed in the current policy, nor in the new current

487
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,100
policies I just flipped through it.

488
00:47:53,660 --> 00:48:00,640
On DHS Form I-247A, which is the form used by ICE to request a detainer, Section 2, as

489
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:07,900
at the county both A, call ICE, within 48 hours of an expected release date, and B, detained

490
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:09,920
a subject from no more than 48 hours.

491
00:48:10,260 --> 00:48:14,380
Now, the policy makes very clear the limited circumstances under which the county would comply

492
00:48:14,380 --> 00:48:16,020
with a detain of request.

493
00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:18,940
I think there also needs to be an explicit statement

494
00:48:18,940 --> 00:48:22,920
that the county will not notify ICE of an impending release

495
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,820
except in those same circumstances,

496
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,120
elucidated in section one of the policy regarding compliance

497
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,460
with the Tain of Request.

498
00:48:31,180 --> 00:48:31,520
Ishichu.

499
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,520
My secondary of concern is more to do with data-claiming

500
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,640
and data collection, record-keeping and data collection,

501
00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:41,240
which among other things can be used to assure compliance.

502
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,360
Now, I know it's been addressed here before,

503
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:48,560
But I'm still not clear on why pure simple, non-identifying data can't be collected.

504
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:53,040
That is to say, how many of the tinder requests, how many of the tensions actually occurred,

505
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,360
how many ice visits are there at the jails?

506
00:48:56,460 --> 00:48:59,780
It doesn't seem to me to be a complicated, huge IT problem.

507
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,120
It could be a simple as, I don't know how these requests come in, but if they're, I mean,

508
00:49:03,140 --> 00:49:06,520
it could be throwing the paper in a box and counting it at the end of the month.

509
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:10,660
So I'm not sure I have a clear understanding of what the issue was there.

510
00:49:10,660 --> 00:49:15,820
Let me try to answer the second first, as part of the protocols that will be implemented,

511
00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:23,040
every request for a detainer whether it's by a visit from a nice representative with the form,

512
00:49:23,340 --> 00:49:29,200
the form being emailed or facts to the facility or a phone call being made. Those will be logged in

513
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:35,580
and they will not only be kept as a permanent record by the facility, but also any inquiry made

514
00:49:35,580 --> 00:49:40,860
that particular individual will be as part of their particular jacket, that's in the facility.

515
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:49,780
So because we believe that not only is that a way to, in some way, assist the detainees

516
00:49:49,780 --> 00:49:54,560
that would be there, but is for our own protection because we want to be certain that, in

517
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,380
the end, if the issue does arise, that we've kept the accurate record of what actually occurred.

518
00:49:59,380 --> 00:49:59,620
Right.

519
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:06,240
With regard to your first question, I'm not sure I quite understand it other than the policy

520
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:10,780
with regard to how we're treating detainors, it's not changed from, I think, the

521
00:50:10,780 --> 00:50:16,880
version that you've seen before, which is that there are only the two circumstances in which

522
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,060
we are going to honor the detainor request.

523
00:50:19,140 --> 00:50:19,440
Right.

524
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,800
I'm not concerned about the detainor request.

525
00:50:20,860 --> 00:50:21,780
You covered that very well.

526
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,380
My concern is box number two, which is, progress when they're getting out.

527
00:50:26,380 --> 00:50:33,080
And it seems to me they're part and parcel of the same request, but they look like two different things when you read the form as a matter of fact

528
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:39,580
Given a random sample of the ten people around me who I gave the form most of them and I said if you knew that you couldn't detain this person would you call?

529
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:43,080
They all said yes. Well, he didn't all say yes, but many said yes

530
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,000
The intent would be if we're not honoring a decayner

531
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,060
We're not going to use surplus that issue by then calling say by the way

532
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,200
We're not going to detain but this person is getting out and such and such a time

533
00:50:54,200 --> 00:51:02,160
That'll be part of the it's not stated in here, but it is part of what our protocol will be that we're not we're not trying to

534
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:09,880
Okay, as long as that's it my concern was not that it was a and it attempt to slide under but that it wasn't oversight that could easily be I

535
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,860
Yeah, so if it's a lot of sense

536
00:51:11,860 --> 00:51:12,600
It makes a lot of sense

537
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:13,980
We don't want us to start

538
00:51:14,660 --> 00:51:17,440
Okay, you know, and they're and they're doing their job

539
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,460
They have a job to do that's their responsibility is not ours

540
00:51:20,460 --> 00:51:21,760
Thank you.

541
00:51:21,780 --> 00:51:22,500
Just a quick thing.

542
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:25,380
Quite frankly, if we're not going to honor the detainer, they're not getting reply.

543
00:51:25,660 --> 00:51:27,320
That document does not get filled out.

544
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:28,880
That's a simple answer to your question.

545
00:51:29,980 --> 00:51:30,060
Okay.

546
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:30,960
Good.

547
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:31,720
Thank you.

548
00:51:39,770 --> 00:51:41,330
I have to say you have five minutes, please.

549
00:51:41,650 --> 00:51:41,930
Sure.

550
00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:44,210
My name is Cassandra Olivera's Moreno.

551
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:48,470
And my address is 53 Lincoln Avenue in Highland Park, New Jersey.

552
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:56,250
Regarding the opening statement of this policy, how Middle-Sex County has stated that it will

553
00:51:56,250 --> 00:52:03,010
continue to cooperate with all law enforcement agencies at the local state and federal levels in order to ensure the safety of its residents.

554
00:52:03,610 --> 00:52:13,670
I just wanted to reiterate the point that fostering a sense of trust and due process is really paramount to ensuring the safety of residents.

555
00:52:14,370 --> 00:52:16,970
On a personal note, I wanted to reiterate that.

556
00:52:17,070 --> 00:52:22,270
On behalf of the Reform Church of Highland Park, I wanted to share a statement.

557
00:52:24,540 --> 00:52:30,920
The reform church of Highland Park finds itself often privy to information about traffic-related

558
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,840
violations that lead to county jail time and then to detention.

559
00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:42,000
The county must stop allowing ICE access to immigrants with low-level crimes.

560
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:52,580
Looking at the document, this revised version, I see in sections 1A and what follows, very

561
00:52:52,580 --> 00:52:59,260
serious offenses listed, involving danger to the perc people or communities, homicides,

562
00:52:59,420 --> 00:53:06,040
manslotters, death. And so I think that this puts this traffic-related violations

563
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:12,720
really put that in sharp relief. And so we ask that you please take that into account. Thank

564
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:13,660
you.

565
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:31,220
Tracy Canjiano, 247B, South-Athab and you and Highland Park. And I am a pressing

566
00:53:31,220 --> 00:53:35,580
glad to see that the policy continues to be worked on and fortunately it makes it harder to

567
00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:39,120
comment on and harder to ask questions about, but it's a good sign overall.

568
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:46,180
And I hope that after there's an affirmative vote on this, that these policies and procedures

569
00:53:46,180 --> 00:53:51,420
that keep getting talked about, these protocols, directives that they continue to be worked

570
00:53:51,420 --> 00:53:52,200
on.

571
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:58,820
And I'm also wondering, will they be made available to the public because so much of what we brought

572
00:53:58,820 --> 00:54:03,560
up as issues has been responded with, oh, it's going to be in the protocols, it's going

573
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:04,340
to be in the directives.

574
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:05,340
And I hope that it is.

575
00:54:05,460 --> 00:54:08,800
I hope that the jail staff and the sheriff's department and the courthouse are all given

576
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,300
really clear steps and procedures.

577
00:54:13,820 --> 00:54:18,600
But how can we as the public know that these people are being held accountable if we don't

578
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,320
have copies or access to the protocols and directives?

579
00:54:22,420 --> 00:54:24,760
So is that something that is going to be made public?

580
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:28,140
And also, is there going to be accountability within the staff?

581
00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:35,380
Our people going to be held accountable. I know last time the warden claim that he was going to have accountability for all of the decisions made in the jail and things like that

582
00:54:35,380 --> 00:54:37,220
So I just wanted to just follow up with accountability

583
00:54:37,660 --> 00:54:46,240
There will be accountability by the staff there will be training from the warden and his staff and his administration to his folks there

584
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:52,140
So actually there will be accountability will be made public. Yes, so if you want to add time

585
00:54:52,140 --> 00:54:59,420
I would just stay to and this is an issue that comes up in other instances when Oprah requested me.

586
00:54:59,700 --> 00:55:08,920
My expectation is that the protocols and procedures that will be developed will likely be different for the sheriff's department from adult corrections.

587
00:55:09,860 --> 00:55:21,320
By the nature of them being actively engaged in law enforcement, you may very well find that certain of those procedures or protocols deal with security of the facility.

588
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:27,420
in other sensitive matters that wouldn't ordinarily be released to the public under an

589
00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:28,160
Oprah request.

590
00:55:28,820 --> 00:55:33,880
Our expectation is that the generic protocols and procedures that I think you'd be interested

591
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:40,480
in will ultimately be made available to the public just as a handbook that's in the corrections

592
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:48,340
facility, but in Oprah request you would get that, but I would not believe that we would

593
00:55:48,340 --> 00:55:53,780
at least anything that touches upon security of the facility and the officers involved.

594
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,780
So the answer to your question is, yes, with that limitation.

595
00:56:00,100 --> 00:56:07,420
And then to build on that, furthermore, another method of accountability is making the records

596
00:56:07,420 --> 00:56:13,320
as somebody else brought up of ICE interactions at the facility request, things like that,

597
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:19,240
taking those publicly available, keeping track of those statistics and things, and I know

598
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:23,720
that it's been brought up before about people's privacy and things, but we're just talking

599
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:25,880
general statistics numbers.

600
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:32,060
Well, statistically, I would, well, as an Oprah request, they're not required to create

601
00:56:32,060 --> 00:56:37,960
that for you, but I would represent to you that statistics will be kept, so they will

602
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:43,000
be available at the facility, whether or not they would be available under an Oprah

603
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,760
because I'd have to think about, but I don't believe it would be any particular reason why we

604
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,260
wouldn't release it and create that form for you.

605
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:49,540
Okay.

606
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:50,980
Thank you.

607
00:56:50,980 --> 00:56:51,660
Thank you.

608
00:56:57,980 --> 00:57:00,400
Please state your name and address in a five minutes.

609
00:57:00,780 --> 00:57:01,760
My name is Laura Merz.

610
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:07,380
I live in New Brunswick and I come from this from a rather unique perspective because for

611
00:57:07,380 --> 00:57:13,920
the past 13 years I've been employed in law enforcement both federally and at a local level.

612
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:30,400
And one of, I've been employed mostly in sex crimes and domestic violence, one of the hardest parts of my job is getting domestic violence victims to show up in court to testify against their abuser.

613
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:42,380
And our case is hinge upon that. And so I believe that we need to have something in this policy to protect crime victims from court house proceedings.

614
00:57:42,380 --> 00:57:47,420
We have seen that in other court cases, not in middle-sex county, but around the country.

615
00:57:48,220 --> 00:57:54,120
And I believe that if crime victims are afraid, they will be deported if they report.

616
00:57:54,980 --> 00:58:01,760
I'm going to lose the ability to build a case and to help them and to fulfill my oath

617
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,900
to protect and serve my community.

618
00:58:03,900 --> 00:58:11,960
So I would like to request that there be mention in our policy of protecting victims of crime.

619
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:30,480
I will tell you that to the extent that this freeholder board has any authority over or any control over that.

620
00:58:31,580 --> 00:58:37,200
We can certainly talk about it because there are one or two pieces of this that are going to get supplemented.

621
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:48,220
We can certainly talk to the prosecutor about seeking some sort of protection through the victims'

622
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:49,780
visas that come through.

623
00:58:50,940 --> 00:58:59,240
But I'm going to say to you also, we are limited in certain aspects that we don't have

624
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:04,660
the ability to control who ICE may decide to target at the courthouse.

625
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:05,500
It's very unfortunate.

626
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:18,520
But I do think that that's an area where we can talk to the prosecutors office and see whether there's any mechanism that the freeholder board can exercise with his office to increase some of the protections for the crime victims

627
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:28,940
It is an area that we didn't focus on and I appreciate you bringing that up and we'll be sure to speak to Andrew Carey the prosecutor and see what we can do there.

628
00:59:28,940 --> 00:59:29,880
Thank you so much.

629
00:59:39,260 --> 00:59:40,060
Yes, I'm El Ruanum.

630
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,280
I live in Highland Park.

631
00:59:42,580 --> 00:59:51,480
I want to commend you for taking this idea of tightening the policy and all the work

632
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:52,420
that you've been doing.

633
00:59:52,540 --> 00:59:54,460
I know you've been working very hard on this policy.

634
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,460
I am still concerned about one thing.

635
00:59:58,740 --> 00:59:59,980
And it is.

636
01:00:03,950 --> 01:00:15,890
It's about the people who with criminal convictions that the detainers that will be honored, that will be granted, the people that will be held beyond their time.

637
01:00:16,930 --> 01:00:20,010
I am concerned that these policies,

638
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:22,250
classifying people in took categories,

639
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:26,150
people deserving of constitutional protections

640
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:30,790
and people who are not being protected by it.

641
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:36,830
And I understand that there might be some pressure

642
01:00:36,830 --> 01:00:39,630
from some residents, or I don't know the reason

643
01:00:39,630 --> 01:00:44,450
to break it down like that when the detainers

644
01:00:44,450 --> 01:00:49,490
will be honored and when not, I don't know what the reason in behind that is, I am aware

645
01:00:49,490 --> 01:00:56,270
about the issue of public safety, people are concerned about dangers, criminals, people

646
01:00:56,270 --> 01:01:04,850
with violent offenses, but my experience is that if somebody is really dangerous, they will

647
01:01:04,850 --> 01:01:10,510
be held without bail or they will be serving a very long time which will be more than enough

648
01:01:10,510 --> 01:01:15,790
for ICE to get them, and do what they have to do.

649
01:01:17,310 --> 01:01:22,400
I understand that immigration law is federal

650
01:01:22,670 --> 01:01:25,830
and that people with certain backgrounds,

651
01:01:26,050 --> 01:01:29,350
with certain crimes, are not allowed to stay in the country,

652
01:01:29,530 --> 01:01:32,290
don't qualify for certain visas

653
01:01:32,290 --> 01:01:35,170
for they cannot get green cards and that's another issue.

654
01:01:35,170 --> 01:01:40,890
But then there are people who are here already

655
01:01:40,890 --> 01:01:43,450
who have been for a long time and for some reason,

656
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:45,430
they've been convicted at some point.

657
01:01:45,810 --> 01:01:47,310
They got out for some reason.

658
01:01:47,850 --> 01:01:48,650
They live in the community.

659
01:01:48,990 --> 01:01:50,830
They have rehabilitated, they have children.

660
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:57,030
My job is I work as a case manager for a nonprofit.

661
01:01:57,470 --> 01:01:59,970
I work in the field of child welfare.

662
01:01:59,970 --> 01:02:08,390
So I have worked with parents who had been convicted of crimes and that I help them get

663
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:10,230
reunified with their children.

664
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:19,970
So, you know, people make mistakes and some people are, you know, capable of being rehabilitated

665
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:20,710
and going to.

666
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:27,810
So I am concerned about this way of classifying people, you know, the people who are certain

667
01:02:27,810 --> 01:02:38,010
offenses, yes, and people with lower offenses, no why not just do it to everybody, that's

668
01:02:38,010 --> 01:02:40,290
the concern that I have in this policy.

669
01:02:42,050 --> 01:02:42,690
I think

670
01:02:46,620 --> 01:02:53,560
the freeholders are looking at this policy to look at what the fundamental reason

671
01:02:53,560 --> 01:03:01,260
rights here. We first of all are not talking about someone who has been charged and not

672
01:03:01,260 --> 01:03:05,640
been convicted because those people have rights. The individuals that we're talking

673
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:10,760
about are people that have been previously convicted of not just any crime, but first

674
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:17,000
or second degree offenses aggravated sexual assault. I wear people like that. I have

675
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:22,880
some clients with those. And make a, we've made a value judgment here that if a person

676
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:28,680
is in our custody for some other offense, no matter how minor it is.

677
01:03:29,220 --> 01:03:33,860
And the record shows that they previously been convicted of a first or second degree offense.

678
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:40,160
All that we are doing is stating dice, we will honor your detainor request.

679
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:46,620
What happens individually, that person certainly has rights at that point, but we believe that

680
01:03:46,620 --> 01:03:51,260
it's important that we look at all members of the community and realize that if you've

681
01:03:51,260 --> 01:03:57,260
someone who's been convicted and is once again in our facility that is appropriate to honor

682
01:03:57,260 --> 01:04:02,880
that 48-hour request and it's limited to that scenario. And as you know, those first or second

683
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,580
we offences are serious crimes.

684
01:04:05,060 --> 01:04:09,620
I think it's important to, because what you asked why not all offences, because not all

685
01:04:09,620 --> 01:04:17,640
offences, create an automatic bar to someone staying in this country. Whether or not no one

686
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:22,280
on this board created the immigration policies, but there are certain offenses that are a bar

687
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:28,700
to someone staying in the country. And that is just the way it is. There is a delinational

688
01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:34,840
ready in immigration law. And I understand, I mean, you're working as a counselor, I'm a lifelong

689
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:40,340
public defender. I understand people can rehabilitate the problem is, our federal immigration

690
01:04:40,340 --> 01:04:47,240
law says that if you commit one of those offenses and you're not a citizen, that one of

691
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:54,240
What consequences is is that you lose your ability to stay in this country, and that's

692
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:59,460
the situation that we have to grapple with here, so that's where that section came in.

693
01:04:59,500 --> 01:05:04,720
We are making a distinction that there are other offenses that don't bar you from staying

694
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:11,160
in the country, and those people should not be exposed to being held for 48-hour detainer.

695
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:18,160
So the line was signed on the offenses that have to do with immigration law.

696
01:05:18,660 --> 01:05:20,160
I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.

697
01:05:21,020 --> 01:05:27,160
So the line was drawn with the offenses that have to do with getting a visa with immigration law.

698
01:05:27,980 --> 01:05:31,420
If offenses that prevent you from getting a visa from getting a green card.

699
01:05:32,460 --> 01:05:36,560
Because that's actually how everybody operates. This is what I do in my job every day.

700
01:05:36,940 --> 01:05:37,960
I know there are certain offenses.

701
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:43,120
I pray I don't my clients don't get convicted of because I cannot help them any longer.

702
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,960
It's just the status of our immigration law.

703
01:05:46,700 --> 01:05:48,460
Okay, thank you.

704
01:05:56,780 --> 01:05:57,460
That's one minute.

705
01:05:57,900 --> 01:05:58,420
Good evening.

706
01:05:59,420 --> 01:06:00,420
My name is Diane Owingu.

707
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,780
I'm the Policy Council of the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey.

708
01:06:05,020 --> 01:06:13,000
And so the ACLU of New Jersey is here to represent the rights and civil liberties of everyone in New Jersey.

709
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:21,120
I want to start off by commending the board for a couple things that I was very pleased to see when I read this policy.

710
01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:27,200
I was very happy to see the commitment to not enter into 287G contracts, so thank you.

711
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:39,340
I was very happy to see the intent to inform people of their rights if ICE is in a facility and wants to talk to someone who is currently in custody.

712
01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:51,160
Now, I would ask, as others have before me, that the intent to provide language access information

713
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:57,600
about people's rights be provided to them in the language of their preference, not as

714
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:02,740
a replacement for including that provision in protocols and rules.

715
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:08,740
But as an additional measure, that would memorialize this boards intent to provide information

716
01:07:08,740 --> 01:07:14,880
about people's rights so that someone in the future who does not share the same sympathetic

717
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:22,660
intent as this board does is not able to undermine the board's intent and by providing

718
01:07:22,660 --> 01:07:30,640
no accessible information and then pointing to a policy that actually doesn't mandate that

719
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,080
the information be provided to people who are incarcerated.

720
01:07:35,100 --> 01:07:36,880
However, there are still some

721
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:43,480
institutional concerns with this policy as it's written, as many of you already know the

722
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,620
Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution requires that a residence attention

723
01:07:47,620 --> 01:07:56,720
is be supported by probable cause and as currently written the policy would allow honoring

724
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:04,240
the Tanner requests in one of two situations. If a request is accompanied by order of removal

725
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:10,280
that is signed by a judge, and I thank you for including that request, that's something

726
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:18,380
that many others have thought to do. But also, if the person has been previously convicted

727
01:08:18,380 --> 01:08:24,840
of any number of offenses that are enumerated in the policy, but this is the piece that

728
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,640
directly implicates liability concerns.

729
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,280
The governments across the country, in many cases,

730
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:40,100
have been found liable and have had to pay out thousands of dollars to people for violations

731
01:08:40,100 --> 01:08:45,400
of their constitutional rights by holding them without a legal basis.

732
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:53,820
And as you have already expressed the intent of the criminal convictions pieces of this

733
01:08:53,820 --> 01:08:59,580
policy is to only concern people who are convicted of first and second degree offenses.

734
01:08:59,980 --> 01:09:03,800
However, the language of the policy does not make that clear.

735
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:10,540
The list of offenses that are included in this policy include offenses that are not first or second degree offenses.

736
01:09:11,140 --> 01:09:22,380
And so I would ask that there be some clarification that actually I urge the Board to amend the policy to clarify that the Tainer request would only be honored.

737
01:09:22,380 --> 01:09:30,760
Only if the person is convicted of any of the listed offenses in the first or second degree,

738
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:39,900
and the request is accompanied by a removal order signed by a judge rather than allowing for an either or situation.

739
01:09:41,940 --> 01:09:47,260
And Councilwoman, you look a bit perturbed, is there a question that I could answer for you?

740
01:09:47,260 --> 01:09:50,040
You look, because I think it's,

741
01:10:21,340 --> 01:10:26,840
yes, I'm just a bit confused by your concern here, because it is

742
01:10:31,890 --> 01:10:34,370
pretty pretty equivalent from another jurisdiction.

743
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:48,810
Well, I think what is adding to the confusion is the fact that some of the things that are listed simply are not offenses in and of themselves, for instance, offenses causes causing serious bodily injury.

744
01:10:49,950 --> 01:11:03,250
That can simply mean, that could actually literally mean getting into a fight, resulting in a charge or a conviction of a simple assault that cannot be a first or second degree offense.

745
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:07,790
No.

746
01:11:07,790 --> 01:11:13,230
the top in the paragraph, it's a first or second degree offense. So if there's a crime of bodily harm

747
01:11:13,230 --> 01:11:18,650
that's inflicted, if that results in a first or second degree, a conviction on the first and second degree

748
01:11:18,650 --> 01:11:25,170
offense, that will cause that will trigger this. If someone is charged with a simple assault

749
01:11:25,170 --> 01:11:28,950
that does not fall within this category, because it's not a first or second degree offense.

750
01:11:30,370 --> 01:11:35,710
So then I would just ask. I'm a zuck man. Yes, and so in conclusion, just to briefly

751
01:11:37,170 --> 01:11:38,810
Thank you for your comments.

752
01:11:39,410 --> 01:11:41,530
We will take your comments and consider each day.

753
01:11:41,850 --> 01:11:42,350
Thank you very much.

754
01:11:42,690 --> 01:11:42,940
Thank you.

755
01:11:52,270 --> 01:11:54,490
You state your name and address and you have five minutes.

756
01:11:55,330 --> 01:11:59,010
Joanna Kage, I am the program coordinator with the New Jersey Alliance for Immigrant Justice.

757
01:11:59,630 --> 01:12:04,410
We are a statewide coalition of over 30 organizations working on Immigrant Rights and the State of New Jersey.

758
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:07,970
Our members, New Labour here, the ACLU of New Jersey and others.

759
01:12:08,690 --> 01:12:13,190
So I am here to represent that body of organizations that really care about this issue.

760
01:12:13,190 --> 01:12:20,570
So, I want to first commend you for looking at this policy and looking into how you can improve your current policies in the county. That's really great.

761
01:12:21,050 --> 01:12:26,310
There are a couple of things that I think we've already heard from multiple people and as someone who's been doing this across the state,

762
01:12:26,670 --> 01:12:28,710
really need to be highlighted for you all.

763
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:34,410
One is the lack of clarity. I understand that you have some protocol that is going to,

764
01:12:34,530 --> 01:12:43,010
so if my list is right, the protocol is going to cover how requests to hold someone to interview someone will be handled.

765
01:12:44,110 --> 01:12:50,810
how the language access will be included, how or what kind of communication you are having

766
01:12:50,810 --> 01:12:56,590
with ICE or ICE is having with you, how that information is being kept and all these things

767
01:12:56,590 --> 01:13:01,970
are not necessarily codified into law. So, first of all, I think for those of us who work

768
01:13:01,970 --> 01:13:06,950
in immigration, we understand that the ICE is not necessarily the most transparent of agencies.

769
01:13:07,710 --> 01:13:12,710
They also are known for lying to law enforcement. They're known to lie to you all, unfortunately,

770
01:13:12,710 --> 01:13:23,250
and putting a lot of your officers in a position where they are left to make a decision on the word of a federal agent that is known or has the president of not necessarily following the Constitution.

771
01:13:24,010 --> 01:13:32,010
So by allowing all these things to just be left open up to the discretion of protocol and or the discretion of the individual handling it,

772
01:13:32,130 --> 01:13:39,790
whether it be the sheriff, the warden, or the staff, you're actually opening up your staff to have to make some of these decisions rather than codifying them clearly here.

773
01:13:39,790 --> 01:13:45,770
So I would really urge you all to just look at those things I understand that you're looking into a potential protocol.

774
01:13:46,010 --> 01:13:50,250
But there are some things that we've heard before that don't necessarily have to be in the protocol.

775
01:13:50,490 --> 01:13:59,990
They could be here so that they are forever in place as a way that you're not really leaving a position where I could potentially lie to your board,

776
01:14:00,190 --> 01:14:05,110
lie to your staff, work around your policies, find new polls there that could end up in constitutional violations.

777
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:13,370
So that's one thing I would absolutely mention I'm sure I don't have to tell you that middle sex has one of the largest immigrant populations in the state

778
01:14:13,370 --> 01:14:16,690
Probably the largest undocumented Indian population in the state

779
01:14:16,690 --> 01:14:21,330
So we really have to understand that while the conversation at the national level could be one way

780
01:14:21,850 --> 01:14:23,250
I appreciate that you're looking at this

781
01:14:23,250 --> 01:14:27,210
But you really have a large population that could be affected by your policy not being clear

782
01:14:27,210 --> 01:14:35,090
So I really do ask that you look into that and one thing also that we heard recently about the

783
01:14:35,090 --> 01:14:47,910
But the reality is that, while yes, some of those might be barring someone from staying in the country if they are non-citizens, the reality is that it is not the drop of the county to make those distinctions.

784
01:14:48,090 --> 01:14:54,010
That's federal immigration law. That's why you have eyes to deal with that, rather than you making those distinctions, right?

785
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:59,970
So in those cases, I think, by codifying that you're basically getting into the weeds of getting into what federal public.

786
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,980
All of these look like in whether you qualify or not for immigration relief or not. On behalf of ICE, rather than the folks who would be picked up for any of these offenses are going to be flagged to ICE, and then it would be up to ICE to the side to look for a judge to get a judge's order to find those folks anyway. So if you have a simple language that clarifies that you would honor those judicial orders, then there's no need to start looking into who was for a second degree or could or could not lose their green card or what.

787
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:36,000
whatever it is that, but ICE will have to do that. That's the job of ICE to do not for the county. So thank you.

788
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:24,380
the Ninguna Manera in Cortes continue to ask that ice not have access to jails and unless

789
01:16:24,380 --> 01:16:31,640
they have a judicial order and that sheriff cars or sheriff not assist in ice in any way

790
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:32,660
in the courts.

791
01:16:32,660 --> 01:16:36,660
We want the freeholds, freeholds,

792
01:16:37,180 --> 01:16:38,980
they're going to be initiative fully,

793
01:16:38,980 --> 01:16:40,120
fully, fully controlled,

794
01:16:40,540 --> 01:16:42,480
they're standing in the courts.

795
01:17:01,270 --> 01:17:04,690
These are sure that they are complying with

796
01:17:07,480 --> 01:17:08,200
them.

797
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:15,620
Okay, I have, I'm a mom and dad for my children.

798
01:17:29,780 --> 01:17:41,880
I'm scared that when I go out to work that I'm going to see a sheriff car and that they're going to attain me I'm not going to be able to come back home and see my children.

799
01:17:50,830 --> 01:17:55,690
And what are they going to do with my children as I am the only better winner for my family?

800
01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:57,330
Thank you.

801
01:18:02,170 --> 01:18:03,910
Thank you for your attention.

802
01:18:05,830 --> 01:18:06,830
Thank you for

803
01:18:20,020 --> 01:18:20,940
your attention.

804
01:18:27,260 --> 01:18:28,060
Thank you.

805
01:18:28,060 --> 01:18:32,740
a few questions. They're slightly different point of view about this resolution one.

806
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:40,140
Um, not trying to be negative, but I would like to know this passing this resolution will have any

807
01:18:40,140 --> 01:18:45,760
impact on financial and any other support coming from the federal government or the state government.

808
01:18:47,300 --> 01:18:52,160
You know what you're asking if it will have a negative impact.

809
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:58,780
deputy of losing federal funds or any other support whether it's a law enforcement or anything else

810
01:18:58,780 --> 01:19:05,760
well President Trump has made the threat and I believe he's of your party as well he's made the

811
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:14,300
threat that if we don't cooperate with ICE that we could be in jeopardy of funding for certain

812
01:19:14,300 --> 01:19:23,080
programs in the county and our concern that's been expressed by freeholders, county counsel

813
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:29,080
and myself is we have a responsibility to protect the taxpayers of middle-sex county,

814
01:19:29,460 --> 01:19:33,880
protect the citizens of middle-sex county as far as their safety as well.

815
01:19:34,660 --> 01:19:38,960
So do we risk that we may lose funds?

816
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:47,240
We will fight them if they tell us that if we don't assist them and we are not going to assist them,

817
01:19:47,660 --> 01:19:52,520
but and then we'll have to take them to court if they're going to stop us from funding.

818
01:20:01,470 --> 01:20:04,910
I wasn't asking about something that was said.

819
01:20:05,070 --> 01:20:11,290
I was asking is there anything any laws right now that we are in jeopardy of one passing this resolution?

820
01:20:12,230 --> 01:20:17,930
Okay. That's all I was asking. And just a comment about what you said, director, not over

821
01:20:17,930 --> 01:20:23,290
Republicans believe that Donald Trump is right, so it doesn't matter. He feasts for my party doesn't

822
01:20:23,290 --> 01:20:33,170
mean I agree. I understand that, but it doesn't mean I agree. That doesn't mean I agree with him.

823
01:20:33,190 --> 01:20:40,350
That's all. That's good. Now I have another question. I'm a little confused about the law.

824
01:20:40,350 --> 01:20:46,210
So if, uh, I just, me, I just, I'm sorry, not to take your time away and we'll stop.

825
01:20:46,710 --> 01:20:50,710
But there's been a lot of comments about this being a law.

826
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:55,470
And I think County Council can also tell you, this is not a law of passing.

827
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:56,610
It's a resolution.

828
01:20:58,070 --> 01:21:05,310
Uh, so this is not a situation where we get to pass a law that can be, you know, which is different.

829
01:21:05,530 --> 01:21:09,210
And County Council can speak to that, that I just want to clarify that.

830
01:21:09,210 --> 01:21:15,890
So there was a comment made before, you know, if to put more language in there so that nobody can change it

831
01:21:15,890 --> 01:21:21,310
Let's be clear. This is not all. This is a resolution so another freeholder board. They can change this

832
01:21:22,250 --> 01:21:27,250
This is this is the intent of the current freeholder board and hopefully it'll remain this way

833
01:21:27,250 --> 01:21:32,790
The intent but I just want that clarified because I think it's five or six different people mentioned that

834
01:21:38,740 --> 01:21:39,300
I

835
01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:44,340
it's level one two three it doesn't matter isn't it isn't it true that

836
01:21:44,340 --> 01:21:49,700
constitutionally they can only be held for 72 hours but constitutionally

837
01:21:49,700 --> 01:21:53,740
container or 48 I'm not talking about the detainer if I got arrested right

838
01:21:53,740 --> 01:21:59,100
now I only I can only be held in jail for 72 hours is that correct no no that's

839
01:21:59,100 --> 01:22:03,360
not true if it before I mean before I see a judge before I get a bail hearing

840
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:08,560
it's 72 hours yes right the bail reform and speedy trial legislation that's

841
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:15,420
to affect this year, does accelerate the process by which you are entitled to go before a judge.

842
01:22:15,940 --> 01:22:19,060
How long? What's that time call? But I believe it may be 72 hours.

843
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:23,820
Okay, great. So I want to ask if someone was already held 72 hours before their

844
01:22:23,820 --> 01:22:28,500
bill hearing and then you got a detainer request for whatever level it is. I'm not saying

845
01:22:28,500 --> 01:22:33,660
if you got a detainer request for 48 hours more, isn't that violating their constitutional rights

846
01:22:33,660 --> 01:22:40,100
to hold them with that container request, not under the policy that we have created, no.

847
01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:46,300
It wouldn't violate their constitutional rights if we are held 96 hours instead of 72.

848
01:22:47,820 --> 01:22:53,520
No, there are two separate things in terms of speedy trial for a pending charge.

849
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:58,840
Our purpose of holding someone on a 48-hour detain request, but only be in circumstances

850
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:02,040
where they have been previously convicted of our first or second degree events.

851
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:10,220
And this 48 hour detainant request is a federal law state law. Or is this a policy that this board?

852
01:23:11,340 --> 01:23:20,150
You know these these are policies that are and they're in the actually in the federal register that they or were enacted by the federal government.

853
01:23:21,020 --> 01:23:22,080
Okay, so they're federal laws.

854
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,220
Okay. All right.

855
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,100
I want to ask another question. Multiple small offenses.

856
01:23:28,100 --> 01:23:33,580
things that are not level one or two. Someone who commits a crime, let's say, on a monthly basis,

857
01:23:33,820 --> 01:23:41,260
they're not willing to be rehabilitated. Do you still not assist ICE with detaining them?

858
01:23:42,980 --> 01:23:48,600
Unless they've been the subject of a prior order of removal from a judge, or they've committed

859
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:55,680
a first or second degree offense and been convicted, we would not be honoring a 48 hour detainer.

860
01:23:55,680 --> 01:24:00,560
Okay, and finally I just wanted to make a comment to the field of board.

861
01:24:00,620 --> 01:24:05,940
I think you should also make it very clear the language that every day people that walk

862
01:24:05,940 --> 01:24:09,920
in the street that don't commit a crime because I feel like this resolution is just pertaining

863
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:17,700
to criminals, but every day people who are undocumented, they should have, you know, shouldn't

864
01:24:17,700 --> 01:24:19,520
have a full-slevel of comfort.

865
01:24:19,620 --> 01:24:24,180
When they're walking in the street, they should always be weary of ice agents around and

866
01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:47,380
I want to say first of all thank you so much for these initiative and also I'm seeing on under the community services Office of Human Resources Services

867
01:24:50,040 --> 01:25:02,460
17894R and 17896R which in terms of support to the problems we're confronting as a community legal and in terms of legal services has been supported.

868
01:25:02,460 --> 01:25:04,460
So thank you, Rancita, thank you,

869
01:25:05,460 --> 01:25:07,220
Freak Holy Shanti for what you've been doing.

870
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:09,600
It's necessarily because I think,

871
01:25:09,780 --> 01:25:13,940
and this morning, I was meeting with the Mexican

872
01:25:13,940 --> 01:25:16,660
Sub-Secretary of America Affairs,

873
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:18,960
and we're talking about the necessity of

874
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,360
a legal representation for migrants,

875
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:25,360
and thinking of a middle-class county and the population range.

876
01:25:25,580 --> 01:25:28,360
It was very important for us as leaders

877
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:31,320
on the Mexican community to speak with the leaders as well,

878
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:36,300
and as and for support and funding and more services,

879
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,040
because we've been seeing we've been working

880
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:40,680
but it grows as my friends,

881
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:44,280
good presence on activists and organizations

882
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:46,520
that the situation needs increasing,

883
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:50,420
the work's talking about 200% of incidents increase

884
01:25:50,420 --> 01:25:55,140
and the necessity of more legal services and counseling

885
01:25:55,140 --> 01:25:58,300
and mental health counseling is increasing.

886
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:00,660
So thinking about that again,

887
01:26:00,660 --> 01:26:06,820
last meeting, I said, and so yes, that we should have a community first department, because

888
01:26:06,820 --> 01:26:14,140
we have many complaints on many people has been used, this immigration issues to abuse the

889
01:26:14,140 --> 01:26:21,120
community by charging it too much, by taking the money, by taking the documents, by exploring

890
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:29,340
the needs, even no worries, people, other, even lawyers has been taking their money, just for

891
01:26:29,340 --> 01:26:36,120
For example, we have two cases this week, $750 just for hearing the cases and finally didn't say anything to them.

892
01:26:36,340 --> 01:26:41,640
So just by saying that, two cases, three cases that came to us directly, how many of the cases has been in there?

893
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:46,040
So many people have been using this and it's used to make money and abuse people's rights.

894
01:26:46,140 --> 01:26:48,440
And I think that's something that we should pay attention to.

895
01:26:48,860 --> 01:26:57,360
And as I see that, and again, I want to say thank you to the freeholders for considering all these and thinking about how we can

896
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,600
and impressive in reals, you mentioned it's so well

897
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,780
to protect or citizens and the rights.

898
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,440
Because at the end, we're thinking on the children,

899
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,900
and the rights, many of them as one of the mothers mentioned

900
01:27:13,700 --> 01:27:16,920
before, many of us are single mothers,

901
01:27:16,980 --> 01:27:19,420
many of us are mothers of high-political rent,

902
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:22,980
and again, we need to ensure that the safer

903
01:27:22,980 --> 01:27:26,420
is well-ticking care of, and to avoid all the people

904
01:27:26,420 --> 01:27:32,320
is using a paying and needs in order to continue making profit from it.

905
01:27:33,020 --> 01:27:40,360
So we were seeking some models, we've seen some models and other states that protect everyone equally

906
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:46,040
and offer the legal services and counseling so necessarily so much right now in our county.

907
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:57,060
And we have this, probably, we mentioned before in the speaking with a critical, it was about the necessary or have this community meetings,

908
01:27:57,780 --> 01:28:03,340
gatherings to inform people about the rights and create this path for them to come over and say,

909
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:09,040
this is this people or this group or this lawyers are abusing me how I can protect myself.

910
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:13,620
Just putting out there again and again, thank you so much for your support.

911
01:28:13,620 --> 01:28:14,200
I'm

912
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:22,460
an address and you have five minutes.

913
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,800
Hi, my name is Timothy, a bookner from New Brunswick, New Jersey.

914
01:28:26,860 --> 01:28:30,700
So, I'm not really a politician, so I don't really know what's going on all that well.

915
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:36,340
But one of the things I took issue with was the part under

916
01:28:36,780 --> 01:28:38,540
offenses against public order health and duty.

917
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:40,680
Control danger substances.

918
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,620
Now, I'm not sure if that includes all the schedules, all the jokes possible.

919
01:28:44,620 --> 01:28:57,400
But I know that life gets harder for a lot of people, especially the poor people, and especially an illegal immigrant from maybe possibly a war torn country who escaped here to escape persecution or danger or violence.

920
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:07,400
So they might go take something like marijuana, they might take cocaine or they might do whatever they need to do to relax a little bit.

921
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:10,500
And then of course that builds up and it can cause an addiction.

922
01:29:10,500 --> 01:29:34,240
But using it, for personal use, I don't feel like I should not be a crime worth being sent back to a war torn country for a torn away from a family from because you had to ask a marijuana on you because you had some oxycodone on you form a Medicaid or expired medication or you have an addiction.

923
01:29:35,940 --> 01:29:40,880
and selling it, I can understand, you can fuel the possible addiction in the neighborhood.

924
01:29:41,480 --> 01:29:53,760
However, purchasing it for yourself and using it and being caught with it, I feel like that should not be an offense worth cooperating with ICE for.

925
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:59,960
Especially with the case of marijuana, you can see that across the country people are wanting to...

926
01:30:02,300 --> 01:30:29,980
I don't believe it is here, but it's not even alcohol is considered a schedule 1 or 2 or 3 drug, and yet it can be just as addicting or as violent, and actually cause and lead to a lot of the case, the other serious offenses like aggravated assault or sexual assault, carjacking robbery, and yet the other drugs, some of the other drugs,

927
01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:36,400
want me to that. So I just like to raise that point. Any responses? Is it buying and selling?

928
01:30:37,300 --> 01:30:45,020
Or? The first and second degree of census, excuse me, don't include what you're describing.

929
01:30:45,900 --> 01:30:48,920
Okay. So what does it describe again? What's control danger substance?

930
01:30:49,980 --> 01:30:54,280
We have to read the context. The only reference in here to control dangerous substance,

931
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:58,200
because I recall, okay, under item one.

932
01:30:59,300 --> 01:31:02,480
It's really, you have to get into the statute itself.

933
01:31:03,220 --> 01:31:06,780
When you do have a certain amount that you have in your possession,

934
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:09,060
can rise to a first or second degree of defense

935
01:31:09,060 --> 01:31:12,260
because there's a presumption of sale that you're doing it

936
01:31:12,260 --> 01:31:14,120
for purposes of selling it.

937
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,240
That's the intent of that reference.

938
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:19,440
You have to read to c35-1.

939
01:31:19,580 --> 01:31:20,460
That's what it includes.

940
01:31:20,460 --> 01:31:26,460
not not the simple use or having under a certain amount, that's not at first the second

941
01:31:26,460 --> 01:31:27,780
way if that's.

942
01:31:27,780 --> 01:31:30,040
You'd have to have an awful lot of a week.

943
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:32,460
You got to have a lot of it.

944
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:41,700
And I guess the other issue I had was a scape or a looting officer.

945
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:45,180
Most officers are fine.

946
01:31:45,180 --> 01:31:56,340
They won't lie to police reports only but some officers have been known to assume that right on the police report that someone was resisting in a arrest because they

947
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:03,240
They mouth off to an officer or they made a they stepped away at the wrong moment, but this presumes a conviction

948
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:12,380
That's the navigation, but in a court of law they usually side with the police no matter what and defended might not have the ability to pay for a

949
01:32:12,380 --> 01:32:20,060
lawyer that can defend them well. Then they're going to side with the officer and they're

950
01:32:20,060 --> 01:32:24,900
not it might be the case that I just don't feel like that's being that's worth being sent

951
01:32:24,900 --> 01:32:29,860
away for because you you ran because you were scared or because you didn't know what's going

952
01:32:29,860 --> 01:32:34,760
to happen to you didn't want to be killed. Well just just to really because you're picking a

953
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:41,600
specific crime that level of alluding is kind of like the analogy to how much we do

954
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:48,600
the level of alluding is somebody and because I've represented people in New Jersey, you go

955
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:54,580
on a six county car chase, right? You are putting residents in danger. It's not just the

956
01:32:54,580 --> 01:32:59,480
officers in danger. They're simple what you're talking about is, you know, I shrug my hands,

957
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:04,720
I don't, I don't passively let them handcuff me. That's not a first or second degree of fence.

958
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:09,080
So the kind of alluding here, because I made mentioned before of lesser included,

959
01:33:09,500 --> 01:33:16,320
you can have drugs, but not all drug offenses rise to a first or second degree. It's the same thing with the looting.

960
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:23,000
There are a lot of crimes that, you know, there are lesser forms of it, with the same title, we're saying the first or second degree versions.

961
01:33:23,580 --> 01:33:30,000
So these are the specific parts of the law, what we defended, if this is a, in state it, right?

962
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:37,140
So if ICE looks at this and they say, oh, control day in charge of this, oh, a looting officer, they won't twist the facts to...

963
01:33:37,140 --> 01:33:42,020
It's not within their control. This is a determination that we are making to honor a

964
01:33:42,020 --> 01:33:48,300
detainer request, not with their interpretation of it. It's a conviction of a first or second degree of fence.

965
01:33:48,580 --> 01:33:55,420
It'll be on some days of your time. Thank you. Please state your name and address five minutes.

966
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:59,380
Good evening, Charles Crattville. I'm from New Brunswick. I'm the editor of New Brunswick today.

967
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:04,740
I want to begin by thanking the board and everyone who was involved in putting this policy together.

968
01:34:04,740 --> 01:34:08,420
I don't think it's perfect, but I think it's an improvement on what you had before, so I hope

969
01:34:08,420 --> 01:34:12,800
you'll pass it tonight, and I do have some constructive feedback on it.

970
01:34:12,940 --> 01:34:17,520
I would like to see the customs and border patrol agents also included in this.

971
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:25,280
I don't think there was any reason not to include them, and I do want to raise a concern about

972
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:28,940
the March 31st matter in the county courthouse.

973
01:34:29,060 --> 01:34:34,720
I know it's been asked about many times, it's been spoken about many times here, but we still

974
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:41,520
I don't seem to have the official facts, and I'm concerned about why that is.

975
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:49,040
It was said that that was perhaps a confusion that resulted from the state of flux in which

976
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:53,740
the policy was in, and that may have contributed to it.

977
01:34:53,840 --> 01:35:00,600
I think that it is more of a concern that the sheriff herself has shown a lack of leadership

978
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:01,260
on this issue.

979
01:35:01,260 --> 01:35:02,900
she has not been to these meetings.

980
01:35:03,980 --> 01:35:06,940
She probably could provide these facts.

981
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:09,500
And well, I mean, the reason I'm talking about this

982
01:35:09,500 --> 01:35:11,180
is because I still don't think the policy

983
01:35:11,180 --> 01:35:15,940
is crystal clear on whether or not it's going to be OK

984
01:35:15,940 --> 01:35:19,260
the next time Sheriff's officers put cuffs on somebody.

985
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:22,600
And can I get an assurance that immediately

986
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:26,060
this will stop if you pass this tonight

987
01:35:26,060 --> 01:35:27,640
that no more Sheriff's officers will be.

988
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:29,880
Would not condone support any activity

989
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:36,080
by a sheriff's officer to assist ICE. Now we're not going to be there 24-7 with every sheriff's officer.

990
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:41,720
We would not support them doing that, but we are not there every minute of the day trial.

991
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:46,440
You know that. So we don't have no control. Can you control it? No. We can't control it either.

992
01:35:46,540 --> 01:35:54,440
We're not there. This is what the policy that we want to institute. We're going to vote on it tonight.

993
01:35:56,460 --> 01:36:00,320
But if something happens, then they will be dealt accordingly.

994
01:36:01,140 --> 01:36:01,260
Okay.

995
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:03,420
Well, something did happen on March 31st.

996
01:36:03,500 --> 01:36:07,680
It was said in order to get to the bottom of that, there needs to be an interview with the Sheriff's Office.

997
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:16,560
Can you promise us tonight that by the next meeting, the facts will be found and shared with the public about what happened on March 31st in Judge Ray's courtroom?

998
01:36:17,700 --> 01:36:18,940
We can't give you that insurance.

999
01:36:18,940 --> 01:36:26,460
Charlie, because if there's a process by which someone is being disciplined, if a protocol

1000
01:36:26,460 --> 01:36:30,980
wasn't followed, we wouldn't be able to release that to you. We can't make that assurance

1001
01:36:30,980 --> 01:36:31,560
to you tonight.

1002
01:36:31,740 --> 01:36:34,320
So if they broke the policies, you can't tell us.

1003
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:38,380
Not if there's a pending disciplinary matter. You know that.

1004
01:36:38,620 --> 01:36:39,960
Well, I mean, is there a pending disciplinary?

1005
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:41,780
No, no, no, no. We can't answer that question.

1006
01:36:41,940 --> 01:36:44,940
Because they had an interview yet, and it's now June.

1007
01:36:45,820 --> 01:36:51,600
So I think that the public deserves to know what happened there, but I'll move on.

1008
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:57,700
I'm equally concerned about ISIS access to the jail as somebody who spent 36 hours in that jail.

1009
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:00,620
I was surprised at how many things I was asked to sign.

1010
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:03,600
And I'm not an immigrant, I'm a U.S. citizen.

1011
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:07,920
And gosh, I would be really intimidated if I had agents coming on a regular basis,

1012
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:10,180
asking me to sign stuff and intimidating me.

1013
01:37:10,180 --> 01:37:15,140
and I don't think that should be allowed and I mean this seriously that you know if I

1014
01:37:15,140 --> 01:37:20,500
wanted to interview somebody in the jail I probably wouldn't get that access and uh if ice

1015
01:37:20,500 --> 01:37:24,720
is not investigating a criminal matter if they're only they're on a civil matter they should be

1016
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:28,100
treated the same as Charlie Crattieville and New Brunswick today who wants to interview somebody

1017
01:37:28,100 --> 01:37:33,820
against their will. They shouldn't be allowed and I think that you can take a stronger position on

1018
01:37:33,820 --> 01:37:42,760
I do want to also just ask about one resolution here, 928, you're going to spend $21,000 on

1019
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:47,420
investigative equipment for the prosecutor. Can you tell me what type of investigative

1020
01:37:47,420 --> 01:37:49,000
equipment that is?

1021
01:37:58,980 --> 01:38:03,420
A drone. Okay, and so is this the first drone the prosecutors purchasing?

1022
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:03,800
I

1023
01:38:07,670 --> 01:38:11,830
tell me why do they need the drone? What do they want it for?

1024
01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:21,200
It says, as it says in the resolution, it's investigative equipment, so it's going to be used for investigations.

1025
01:38:21,860 --> 01:38:22,820
How is going to be used?

1026
01:38:22,980 --> 01:38:23,820
I can't answer that.

1027
01:38:23,900 --> 01:38:24,300
You might want to call.

1028
01:38:24,300 --> 01:38:29,520
Are there any protocols or any controls that they'll use to protect the privacy of people or

1029
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:32,940
they wrote, you know, any policies in place or not?

1030
01:38:32,940 --> 01:38:34,280
You'd have to ask him.

1031
01:38:34,300 --> 01:38:37,760
Another guy who's not here tonight, and I just want to bring home the point that the sheriff

1032
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:39,260
and the prosecutors should become to these meetings.

1033
01:38:39,460 --> 01:38:43,060
They should be a part of these discussions, and I understand it would help if they

1034
01:38:43,060 --> 01:38:46,140
came to one meeting. That's all I have to say. Thank you.

1035
01:38:52,060 --> 01:38:54,320
Who's taking aim and address and you have five minutes?

1036
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:59,600
My name is Cecil De Laurentis. I live in Somerset, but I am the local coordinator with

1037
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:04,440
food and water watch of nonprofit that works for tech public health here in New Brunswick

1038
01:39:04,440 --> 01:39:12,040
100 Bayard Street. We represent over 7,000 members in middle-sex county. I want to echo

1039
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:17,260
what previous previous speakers have said. Thank the board for rewriting and clarifying

1040
01:39:17,260 --> 01:39:22,400
this policy and working to eliminate cooperation with ICE listening to our feedback.

1041
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:30,800
I want to echo the requests others have made for clarity to the extent that is possible

1042
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:37,060
to make sure that this cooperation definitely will not happen and that ICE will not

1043
01:39:37,060 --> 01:39:40,580
find blue poles in this policy to the extent that it's possible.

1044
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:46,600
I also understand that there are limitations to what this board of shows and freeholders

1045
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:53,720
can do within the limits of federal laws and immigration law on the national level.

1046
01:39:54,560 --> 01:40:00,220
But I want to emphasize that it is important to continue to take as strong a position as

1047
01:40:00,220 --> 01:40:01,240
you possibly can.

1048
01:40:01,460 --> 01:40:11,680
I appreciate the crafting of this policy, which as you said is not law, but it's very important

1049
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:16,320
who have this sort of, to have these strong,

1050
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:20,960
these positions be as strong as possible to really express solidarity

1051
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:22,760
with the people that you're representing,

1052
01:40:23,380 --> 01:40:26,940
the large and documented immigrant population in middle-sex county

1053
01:40:26,940 --> 01:40:31,100
and refusing to cooperate with ICE.

1054
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:36,460
So I thank you for practicing crafting your policy

1055
01:40:36,460 --> 01:40:41,580
and taking stances to the extent that I shouldn't

1056
01:40:41,580 --> 01:40:43,920
be allowed into the county court houses.

1057
01:40:44,180 --> 01:40:49,940
I understand you're saying that you don't have control over that or ignore what is qualified

1058
01:40:49,940 --> 01:40:57,040
as a first or second degree offense, but I think that everyone has said is really important

1059
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:58,080
to be continued.

1060
01:40:58,180 --> 01:41:05,580
It's really important that we continue to emphasize the importance of understanding the human

1061
01:41:05,580 --> 01:41:12,180
context of every person that's living here, whether they are undocumented or not, because I think

1062
01:41:12,180 --> 01:41:17,440
that having that in mind, even if there are limitations placed on us by the broader structure

1063
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:23,100
and federal laws, will allow us to continue to practice policy to the extent that we

1064
01:41:23,100 --> 01:41:27,260
can to the benefit of the people that you represent.

1065
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:28,120
Thank you.

1066
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:28,820
Thank you.

1067
01:41:32,260 --> 01:41:34,560
Please state your name and address and you have five minutes.

1068
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:42,420
Hello, I'm Brian Lee. I'm also from Summerset. First of all, procedural question. This is only to comment on the resolution, right?

1069
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:46,380
But there's a public, but there's a public comment period later, right?

1070
01:41:46,380 --> 01:41:46,640
Yes.

1071
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:50,920
People can come up again with if they didn't get the finish of their other questions.

1072
01:41:51,060 --> 01:41:52,100
They can come up again, right?

1073
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:52,580
Yes.

1074
01:41:52,580 --> 01:41:54,780
Okay. That's procedural question. Okay.

1075
01:41:55,880 --> 01:42:02,760
And then my first point is that when someone, someone said, I think a few people said that,

1076
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:08,620
they want to see what you say are the protocols, a clarified as a resolution. They are saying

1077
01:42:08,620 --> 01:42:16,060
that it's easier to change protocols than it is to change resolutions so that it would be a

1078
01:42:16,060 --> 01:42:21,060
little bit more cemented for future reference. I think that's the point that we're getting at.

1079
01:42:22,340 --> 01:42:29,500
And I have a question in terms of accountability. If someone feels like that, you know, let's say

1080
01:42:29,500 --> 01:42:36,580
three months from now when this has been reasonably implemented. Someone feels like that the

1081
01:42:36,580 --> 01:42:42,880
MidoSex County Sheriff violated some of these policies, who would they complain to what is

1082
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:49,680
do you have any procedures for that? If a sheriff's officer in the courthouse violates a particular

1083
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:56,080
protocol, that's been trained for and have been implemented by the sheriff, they're subjected to

1084
01:42:56,080 --> 01:43:01,960
in accordance with the sheriff's disciplinary policies and the county's disciplinary policies.

1085
01:43:02,460 --> 01:43:04,680
My question is who would they complain to?

1086
01:43:05,500 --> 01:43:08,560
Is there a number or is there a on-busman?

1087
01:43:09,420 --> 01:43:14,660
You're talking about if someone feels that they've been agreed and they want to file a complaint.

1088
01:43:15,220 --> 01:43:21,100
Depending on the kind of complaint, if they feel that they've been somehow they're right to be violated by a sheriff's officers,

1089
01:43:21,100 --> 01:43:25,920
what they would either do is they would go to a local police, they would go to the prosecutor's office,

1090
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:33,400
if they thought a crime would then commit it, or they would complain directly to the sheriff's department to the sheriff's got.

1091
01:43:34,100 --> 01:43:38,680
Okay, and I would just like to reiterate and clarify, I think,

1092
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:46,180
the point that people made earlier about the distinction between people who have been convicted of first and secondary offenses,

1093
01:43:46,180 --> 01:43:52,320
versus the everybody else that will not be that you will not cooperate with.

1094
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:58,960
I think what's getting people worked up about this distinction is that there are already

1095
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:04,880
mechanisms in place in our society or there should be to protect people from dangerous criminals

1096
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:15,460
and that should be enough and that to cooperate with ice in those to make the distinction that you will

1097
01:44:15,460 --> 01:44:22,180
of ice in those cases is going that extra step further. And it's also, it's basically,

1098
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:31,840
you know, I understand that those are the kind of people that are, you know, no longer allowed

1099
01:44:32,420 --> 01:44:39,680
to apply for any legal residency in the US, but there are also other people that are, you know,

1100
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:44,380
by law they can't apply for residencies in the US. Again, like for instance, anybody who has been

1101
01:44:44,380 --> 01:44:49,580
reported, and then we're coming back in. I don't know if that's the first or second degree

1102
01:44:49,580 --> 01:44:55,460
of events, but they would also no longer be allowed to apply for residency, and would

1103
01:44:55,460 --> 01:44:57,220
you call up wave of ice in those cases.

1104
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:09,940
That is the second piece. If they have, if there's been a previous final order of deportation, then they would no longer.

1105
01:45:10,440 --> 01:45:16,740
Yes, then we, that was signed by a judge. That would be a basis on which we hold in for 48 hours.

1106
01:45:17,440 --> 01:45:28,980
I think, part of the, my confusion is that a lot of people would just tell you that anybody who is illegal is, you know, legally not allowed to stay here anyway. So why make that distinction?

1107
01:45:29,780 --> 01:45:34,480
between, uh, first and second degree of emphasis and, and everybody else that will be, you

1108
01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:42,800
have this, uh, you know, non-corporation with ICE because the distinction is, there are

1109
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:48,740
people who commit offenses that, um, I say, they're breaking the law, but there's a distinction

1110
01:45:49,340 --> 01:45:54,840
between, uh, things that endanger public safety in a way that's not acceptable, right?

1111
01:45:54,840 --> 01:46:01,640
So, for example, if someone is previously convicted of rape, if someone is previously convicted

1112
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:08,260
of a certain level, a high degree level of child abuse, a kidnapping, those are things

1113
01:46:08,260 --> 01:46:17,060
that absolutely, absolutely bar you from being allowed to stay here legally if ICE or any

1114
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:19,400
federal agencies gets you, right?

1115
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:27,540
they may not get you but if they get you that that requires deportation right so that's the distinction

1116
01:46:27,540 --> 01:46:35,480
somebody who has a license suspended right it doesn't mean automatic deportation so we are making that distinction

1117
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:44,480
I'll just read the rate my point that there are other mechanisms in place to protect you know society from people like that besides

1118
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:46,800
Thank you.

1119
01:46:52,450 --> 01:46:54,090
Can I address and you have five minutes, sir?

1120
01:46:54,270 --> 01:46:56,330
Sure. My name is Tom O'Brien. I'm from Old Bridge.

1121
01:46:57,010 --> 01:46:58,110
A lot of people have been commended.

1122
01:46:58,290 --> 01:47:00,450
You folks and the job that you're doing and such like that.

1123
01:47:00,470 --> 01:47:03,050
And also suggested that you're improving as you go along.

1124
01:47:03,890 --> 01:47:06,430
I'd like to commend you on the same thing.

1125
01:47:07,810 --> 01:47:10,310
But on an observation, it seems that you're in a,

1126
01:47:10,310 --> 01:47:11,350
you used to work in process.

1127
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:13,350
And to vote on it today, it might be mature.

1128
01:47:14,070 --> 01:47:16,490
You still have to check out the 331 incident,

1129
01:47:16,490 --> 01:47:21,490
which you have in the adorn, the ice presence in the jails might be another issue you might

1130
01:47:21,490 --> 01:47:27,890
want to inquire into, I'm sure the ice presence in the jails also might be another issue

1131
01:47:27,890 --> 01:47:34,590
you might want to inquire into, and this thing that you published today, no one has had an

1132
01:47:34,590 --> 01:47:39,110
opportunity to look at it in depth, but some of the things in it are kind of strange. I'm looking

1133
01:47:39,110 --> 01:47:48,530
it section one a subsection three or double I and we're talking a first or second degree of

1134
01:47:48,530 --> 01:47:54,830
fence predicate predicated upon a person who's with as a stun gun or a simulated weapon

1135
01:47:54,830 --> 01:47:58,610
you mean like something you buy and toys a roster something like that you went and we'll

1136
01:47:58,610 --> 01:48:03,550
take a look at that too it's just a suggestion it's up to you guys thank you

1137
01:48:03,550 --> 01:48:04,510
move

1138
01:48:07,480 --> 01:48:11,800
the close public force second motion a close by frail into mouse second by frail

1139
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:21,060
the valente on the favor I oppose motion carries okay I do

1140
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:26,080
a resolution 17 dash

1141
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:32,560
eight nine six frail did director I also have the same resolution yes

1142
01:48:37,580 --> 01:48:42,620
Okay, free of the director of motion with that in order to adopt the consent agenda.

1143
01:48:43,060 --> 01:48:55,380
Consisting of resolution number 17-851 through resolution 17-930 excluding resolution 17-896 to be voted upon separately.

1144
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:56,420
Is there a motion?

1145
01:48:57,360 --> 01:48:57,440
Motion.

1146
01:48:58,140 --> 01:48:59,340
Motion by Field of Latte.

1147
01:48:59,620 --> 01:49:00,740
Second by Deputy Director.

1148
01:49:01,160 --> 01:49:01,400
Tomorrow.

1149
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:02,900
Free of the armoured?

1150
01:49:03,060 --> 01:49:03,420
Yes.

1151
01:49:03,420 --> 01:49:04,040
For the couple?

1152
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:04,820
Yes.

1153
01:49:04,820 --> 01:49:08,360
Nara? Yes. Frilder-Temara? Yes. Frilder-Volenti? Yes.

1154
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:09,900
Frilder-Dracterias? Yes.

1155
01:49:10,260 --> 01:49:15,760
Now director would be appropriate to consider the resolution excluded by both Frilder-Armwood

1156
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:19,340
in Frilder-Volenti and that's resolution 17-896.

1157
01:49:20,140 --> 01:49:21,840
Motion to adopt. Motion to adopt.

1158
01:49:22,700 --> 01:49:26,840
Motion by Deputy Director-Temara, second by Frilder-Coppel.

1159
01:49:27,500 --> 01:49:28,400
Frilder-Armwood?

1160
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:30,920
Frilder-Coppel? Yes.

1161
01:49:31,420 --> 01:49:33,760
Frilder-Nara? Yes. Frilder-Temara? Yes.

1162
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:34,860
Freelder Valenti?

1163
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:36,980
Freelder director Reyes?

1164
01:49:37,140 --> 01:49:37,260
Yes.

1165
01:49:40,500 --> 01:49:41,380
This is not my leg off.

1166
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:42,680
I'm meeting up to the public.

1167
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:44,280
I need to think.

1168
01:49:44,740 --> 01:49:45,940
I'd like to speak on.

1169
01:49:46,580 --> 01:49:47,220
Please state your name.

1170
01:49:47,540 --> 01:49:48,900
I need to have five minutes.

1171
01:49:50,140 --> 01:49:51,300
Mina Colta again, matter one.

1172
01:49:51,480 --> 01:49:51,800
The jersey.

1173
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:54,100
I have a few questions for you.

1174
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:57,720
The first one is has this Freelder board passed.

1175
01:49:57,720 --> 01:50:00,600
They resolution yet condemning the pipeline going through middle six

1176
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:01,060
county.

1177
01:50:01,060 --> 01:50:07,500
And that's connecting to the Williams 206 compressor in Franklin.

1178
01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:12,520
What is the hold-up last time?

1179
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:16,960
And actually, I think the last five meetings you said you're waiting for more information.

1180
01:50:17,540 --> 01:50:19,960
I think it's been more than enough time.

1181
01:50:20,260 --> 01:50:21,840
All questions come from the chair.

1182
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:22,880
I am asking.

1183
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:29,760
Well, I'm saying is that we filed as interveners as many people had asked us.

1184
01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:38,380
And that allows us and anybody else that files as an intervener to get information in reference to that.

1185
01:50:39,340 --> 01:50:53,720
Do you not think that a resolution condemning that pipeline would represent your constituents in the county just like some are set freeholders did the same for their county representing their constituents.

1186
01:50:53,720 --> 01:51:03,320
Would it be a representation of your constituents and send a strong message condemning that pipeline that's going through our county?

1187
01:51:05,100 --> 01:51:07,840
Do you not think that it would?

1188
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:13,000
I feel that we still need more information to make a determination if we want to oppose it.

1189
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:23,620
And as I stated to you, or you have heard me before in other meetings, that the agency, that makes the determination to approve or deny the application.

1190
01:51:23,620 --> 01:51:31,540
in for that project is FERC and those are the folks that your argument or your debate is better

1191
01:51:31,540 --> 01:51:34,700
or your comments are best to make your comments, though.

1192
01:51:35,380 --> 01:51:40,920
So you think the people in FERC wouldn't be impacted if you pass the resolution condemning something

1193
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:43,880
on behalf of your constituents?

1194
01:51:44,500 --> 01:51:47,960
I don't know if that would have an impact on their decision.

1195
01:51:49,860 --> 01:51:58,540
So what is what is the her in passing such a resolution? Why is it so like why is it still not past like what is

1196
01:51:58,540 --> 01:52:04,680
whole like is it is there do we have a special interest in this pipeline or what's the hold up?

1197
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:09,740
I don't stock in the company I can tell so it doesn't matter. I'm just asking what is the hold-up?

1198
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:16,520
It's a simple resolution. I have a question. You just passed you know a bunch of resolutions and the

1199
01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:22,020
resolution about the immigration policy. How long did it take you to pass the resolution

1200
01:52:22,020 --> 01:52:28,540
immigration policy? Like did it take 10 meetings, 12 meetings, 15? How long does it take for

1201
01:52:28,540 --> 01:52:36,160
the board to pass a resolution? I think it took from 2014 to 2017. So we have to wait

1202
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:40,700
for this resolution. It can them up pipeline for two years? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

1203
01:52:40,700 --> 01:52:43,000
It takes time to make

1204
01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:49,460
things think and try to make an intelligent decision on

1205
01:52:53,140 --> 01:52:53,520
it.

1206
01:52:53,720 --> 01:53:00,060
So something condemning a pipeline which could hurt your constituents' health-wise,

1207
01:53:00,620 --> 01:53:01,760
and maybe even financially,

1208
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:05,520
it has to be put on hold.

1209
01:53:05,740 --> 01:53:06,900
I mean, it doesn't make sense.

1210
01:53:07,620 --> 01:53:09,380
I'm just not getting the sense of it.

1211
01:53:09,380 --> 01:53:13,740
This is something that's passing it would send a strong statement.

1212
01:53:13,740 --> 01:53:18,020
and it would be a good representation of the people of middle-sex county.

1213
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:22,960
And you've been asked about this many times over the last five or six meetings.

1214
01:53:26,710 --> 01:53:29,770
I've explained my position to you earlier.

1215
01:53:34,140 --> 01:53:37,880
Um, I have a question. I don't know if you know the answer to this, but I would like this is about

1216
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:43,700
something else. Um, ordinance 436. Okay. Going back to that. I just, I didn't, uh,

1217
01:53:43,700 --> 01:53:48,320
Yeah, the the 22 story building that you're funding 30

1218
01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:51,020
Two and back in another 35 million

1219
01:53:51,880 --> 01:54:00,740
Do I didn't I didn't get I don't know I didn't hear the answer to this maybe someone else asked it, but who represented Defko with the city and

1220
01:54:00,740 --> 01:54:08,400
And was was Defko chosen by bit or did someone just come forward and say hey, let's let Defko build the building

1221
01:54:09,970 --> 01:54:12,990
Defko was chosen by the redevelopment authority

1222
01:54:14,430 --> 01:54:18,750
which is the normal procedure in the city in New Brunswick for redevelopment projects.

1223
01:54:20,090 --> 01:54:22,130
Okay, and who represented them?

1224
01:54:22,270 --> 01:54:23,670
Lower, what firm?

1225
01:54:24,450 --> 01:54:25,130
Windell's marks.

1226
01:54:25,750 --> 01:54:26,350
Is that your firm?

1227
01:54:26,350 --> 01:54:27,910
No, it is not your firm.

1228
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:37,440
I just want to make a comment before I say I think the, you know,

1229
01:54:38,220 --> 01:54:41,240
hold up like a resolution with the, you know, for this pipeline,

1230
01:54:42,280 --> 01:54:45,020
that's, that's really a bad representation of your constituents,

1231
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:47,940
especially health-wise, because I know it's going through my town.

1232
01:54:47,940 --> 01:54:51,500
Okay, and and it's going. I believe through Sarahville as well. So

1233
01:54:52,220 --> 01:54:57,360
That's fine, and and if anybody wants financials on the building their building a 22-story building

1234
01:54:57,360 --> 01:54:58,160
I have copies

1235
01:54:58,160 --> 01:54:59,820
You can see the numbers

1236
01:55:03,830 --> 01:55:08,670
Fine, Brian Lee again. I'm from Somerset and just do echo what he said

1237
01:55:11,050 --> 01:55:17,290
The elected officials who have condemned the despite line include the Somerset County ball of freeholders

1238
01:55:18,210 --> 01:55:24,550
a few of elected assemblymen, state senators, Bonnie Watson, Coleman, my representative,

1239
01:55:25,790 --> 01:55:31,290
senators, Cory Booker, and Menendez. So I mean, I'm sure there's staff, it's done a lot

1240
01:55:31,290 --> 01:55:35,670
of homework on this, so you know, maybe you guys can skip a little bit of that. Okay,

1241
01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:40,670
but onto a different issue. I know I'm from summer sets, so I would like to talk about

1242
01:55:40,670 --> 01:55:47,110
something that does affect people that lived in middle sacks. Recently in the past few weeks,

1243
01:55:47,110 --> 01:55:54,530
I have been to two emergency protests and they happened because ICE came and arrested

1244
01:55:55,510 --> 01:56:02,550
of four people that were Indonesian refugees from Indonesia and the first protest I went to was

1245
01:56:02,550 --> 01:56:10,270
for Arino Masi. He is a devout Christian ethnic Chinese who is escaped from Indonesia around the

1246
01:56:10,270 --> 01:56:18,490
he's to come to the US to flee extreme persecution there and I went by the time I got to the

1247
01:56:18,490 --> 01:56:22,990
protest he had already been put on the plane and he lived in the Matuchim, that's the parliament

1248
01:56:22,990 --> 01:56:29,010
of sex just to make clear. And he had already been put on the plane and I was told at that protest

1249
01:56:29,010 --> 01:56:35,830
that even though I know that he's been deported his 12-year son Joe didn't even know yet. I mean

1250
01:56:35,830 --> 01:56:46,990
It was extremely heartbreaking and screwed up that I a perfect stranger who doesn't even know the guy got to find out before his son did, his son never got to say goodbye to him

1251
01:56:46,990 --> 01:56:56,950
And then I think it was last week in the pouring rain I went to a protest, the detention and pending deportation of Ode Manopo

1252
01:56:56,950 --> 01:56:59,930
who is another Indonesian ethnic Chinese refugee.

1253
01:57:00,930 --> 01:57:02,890
His daughter spoke at the location,

1254
01:57:03,310 --> 01:57:05,550
handing was Stella, it was pouring rain,

1255
01:57:05,950 --> 01:57:09,310
and she was crying when she told us that the thing she missed the most

1256
01:57:09,310 --> 01:57:11,270
is her father's smile.

1257
01:57:11,610 --> 01:57:13,750
When she came to see him in the detention center,

1258
01:57:13,930 --> 01:57:15,370
he was still smiling and laughing

1259
01:57:15,370 --> 01:57:18,130
that his faith in God is what's keeping him

1260
01:57:18,130 --> 01:57:19,810
through even though she, of course,

1261
01:57:20,030 --> 01:57:21,350
is extremely worried for him.

1262
01:57:21,890 --> 01:57:23,330
I know this doesn't,

1263
01:57:23,330 --> 01:57:25,090
it's not part of the resolution that you pass.

1264
01:57:25,090 --> 01:57:27,990
These are people that have no criminal records at all.

1265
01:57:28,030 --> 01:57:28,910
They're just refugees.

1266
01:57:29,630 --> 01:57:31,170
And the only reason they were targeted

1267
01:57:31,170 --> 01:57:33,830
is because for years, they've been cooperating

1268
01:57:33,830 --> 01:57:34,490
with ICE.

1269
01:57:34,490 --> 01:57:36,550
They have been going back to ICE as requested

1270
01:57:37,210 --> 01:57:39,330
to continue checking in.

1271
01:57:39,330 --> 01:57:41,370
And so their information was on hand.

1272
01:57:41,570 --> 01:57:43,450
And so it's easy for ICE to get to them.

1273
01:57:43,970 --> 01:57:44,730
I don't know.

1274
01:57:45,470 --> 01:57:48,810
I mean, I'm not an expert on the ins and outs

1275
01:57:48,810 --> 01:57:50,970
of the powers of freeholders,

1276
01:57:51,490 --> 01:57:53,410
but maybe there are things you can do

1277
01:57:53,410 --> 01:57:59,910
to protect refugees, you know, people applying for refugee status in your county too.

1278
01:58:00,090 --> 01:58:07,050
And I would urge you all to please look into it and be creative, find ways to work around,

1279
01:58:07,050 --> 01:58:09,710
you know, your the existing system.

1280
01:58:09,950 --> 01:58:14,890
There are people whose lives are being torn apart and I would just like to add, even though

1281
01:58:14,890 --> 01:58:18,790
it shouldn't matter, the four people that have been detained and one of them's already

1282
01:58:18,790 --> 01:58:24,010
been deported. They were actually extremely active in helping out New Jersey residents after

1283
01:58:24,010 --> 01:58:29,730
Hurricane Sandy. They have done more for the people of the state than a lot of people. And yet

1284
01:58:29,730 --> 01:58:36,890
they are not being offered the chance to for safe refuge from my country. That is once again becoming

1285
01:58:36,890 --> 01:58:44,190
extremely inhospitable to to to Christians and ethnic Chinese people. Thank you.

1286
01:58:52,280 --> 01:58:55,800
Jessica Hansen from Highland Park. I merely want to thank you because what I

1287
01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:59,360
understand is that you passed the resolution and I miss kind of miss the

1288
01:58:59,360 --> 01:59:03,680
vote. So I just want to say thank you. Thank you. Thank you for all your work.

1289
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:07,320
Thank you for all your work and listening to our concern.

1290
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:11,000
The most ridiculous report you've had

1291
01:59:20,860 --> 01:59:22,800
five minutes. Good evening. Once again, free

1292
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:26,440
holders, Charles Crattville, New Brunswick and Brunswick today. I'll ask, are you

1293
01:59:26,440 --> 01:59:29,480
ready yet to call for the impeachment of the president of the United States.

1294
01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:37,240
I would love to see him go as President, but there's nothing that we can do about that.

1295
01:59:37,340 --> 01:59:40,200
I would recommend you call your senators.

1296
01:59:40,260 --> 01:59:40,900
I don't know.

1297
01:59:41,100 --> 01:59:41,740
Any Congress?

1298
01:59:42,260 --> 01:59:42,580
Okay.

1299
01:59:43,400 --> 01:59:45,340
I will keep putting pressure on those folks.

1300
01:59:45,400 --> 01:59:48,140
How about the governor of the state, Chris Christie, should he be impeached?

1301
01:59:50,080 --> 01:59:53,960
He's the governor and he's good friends with the president and he's creating a dangerous

1302
01:59:53,960 --> 01:59:56,380
toxic situation for our whole state.

1303
01:59:56,800 --> 01:59:58,100
Shouldn't it should be the whole country?

1304
01:59:58,900 --> 01:59:59,980
Yeah, so, so...

1305
02:00:01,300 --> 02:00:30,320
Well, one thing we all have is our voices. So I try to use my voice to push for these types of things. And I would encourage the freeholders to use their voices and stand up. Take more of a stand on these types of issues. Use your voice. You have a voice. You have a louder voice than I do, actually, because you're an elected official representing almost a million people. So I do want to ask the freeholders if you're supporting anyone for governor. I think it's really important that everybody gets out there and vote. There's a lot of choices. Do you have any making an endorsement?

1306
02:00:31,440 --> 02:00:33,240
I've already made my endorsement

1307
02:00:34,680 --> 02:00:36,400
and who are you endorsing?

1308
02:00:36,420 --> 02:00:36,840
Filmer.

1309
02:00:37,640 --> 02:00:37,820
Okay.

1310
02:00:39,320 --> 02:00:42,900
I do, you know, just want to encourage everybody to vote.

1311
02:00:43,340 --> 02:00:48,840
There are some choices here at the county level and at the local level and I'm proud to say

1312
02:00:48,840 --> 02:00:55,880
I'm supporting the Central Jersey Progressive Democrats at a group that is really fighting for the types of changes that I believe in.

1313
02:00:55,940 --> 02:00:59,380
I think a lot of people here believe in and I'm encouraging everybody to vote for them.

1314
02:00:59,380 --> 02:01:03,840
Vote column C for change on election day if you want change here in middle-sex county

1315
02:01:03,840 --> 02:01:07,820
The election is Tuesday June the 6th and

1316
02:01:07,820 --> 02:01:12,600
It's the primary election so if you're not affiliated with a party yet

1317
02:01:12,600 --> 02:01:18,100
You can decide to affiliate on that day and cast a ballot and I think everybody who has that right should exercise that like I said

1318
02:01:18,100 --> 02:01:24,840
We have our voices that's one form of our voice our vote is our voice. So don't pass up that opportunity to vote

1319
02:01:24,840 --> 02:01:26,640
I do want to ask about the

1320
02:01:27,820 --> 02:01:33,800
ordinance 436 was a lotting. We were told 12 million dollars for the purchase of all

1321
02:01:33,800 --> 02:01:38,980
fist space and it to be constructed building right near here. I got this document here

1322
02:01:38,980 --> 02:01:45,460
and it says that at least the funding currently looks like Devco's expecting 13 million for

1323
02:01:45,460 --> 02:01:51,760
that. Can you just clarify whether it's 13 million or 12 million? I'm not sure the exact amount

1324
02:01:51,760 --> 02:01:53,580
somewhere between 12 and 13.

1325
02:01:54,280 --> 02:01:55,880
So I'm not sure what it is.

1326
02:01:57,360 --> 02:02:01,740
Can't help but feel like I was misled when I was told 12 if I'm seeing 13 here.

1327
02:02:01,840 --> 02:02:03,180
We would never try to mislead you.

1328
02:02:03,740 --> 02:02:04,140
Okay.

1329
02:02:05,500 --> 02:02:09,100
Well, it was also another thing that I had to bring it up in the first place.

1330
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:11,940
It wasn't advertised that there was 12 million dollars going

1331
02:02:11,940 --> 02:02:14,320
to this until I asked and got that figure.

1332
02:02:14,980 --> 02:02:17,140
And the documents that people were given were not clear about it.

1333
02:02:17,240 --> 02:02:18,660
So I think you could be more transparent.

1334
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:19,540
I hope you will.

1335
02:02:20,740 --> 02:02:29,040
Okay, so one thing that could definitely be more transparent is the middle-sex county ethics board and it I guess I'm correct that Tony vinyolo is still the ethics attorney

1336
02:02:30,520 --> 02:02:34,940
Yes, and that is a big problem because he is an ethics violator he

1337
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:43,400
Did not file financial disclosure form last year the county council cooked up a little two-page report that said that it's okay

1338
02:02:43,400 --> 02:02:44,740
He doesn't need to file

1339
02:02:45,460 --> 02:03:02,880
But the New Brunswick Ethics Board is actually investigating him, and investigating him for that failure to file, and this year he filed, so which is it, does he not have to file or does he have to file, and the answer to your question is, our opinion still stands, he does not require, he is not required to file, he filed voluntarily.

1340
02:03:03,340 --> 02:03:07,400
Okay. Well, I think people should come to the June 13th meeting of the ethics board.

1341
02:03:07,420 --> 02:03:12,400
The ethics board basically nobody ever comes to it. They only meet three times a year if that.

1342
02:03:12,700 --> 02:03:16,980
And their meetings are at 3 p.m. So, not easy for working people to make it to, but anybody who can,

1343
02:03:17,060 --> 02:03:22,520
and wants to see where the rubber meets the road, where this county really becomes corrupt,

1344
02:03:22,700 --> 02:03:25,540
and where the train wreck starts is at the ethics board.

1345
02:03:25,540 --> 02:03:30,400
Those folks are supposed to police the very same types of things that were discussed earlier,

1346
02:03:30,400 --> 02:03:35,740
conflicts of interest, making sure that folks are acting in the interest of the people who

1347
02:03:35,740 --> 02:03:40,800
put them there, not their own side interests, private interests, personal interests, and that

1348
02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:45,620
board is dysfunctional. They've gotten attorney, who's an ethics violator. You can't have

1349
02:03:45,620 --> 02:03:51,020
any credibility when you're not following the rules yourself. And so I think that Mr. Vignolo

1350
02:03:51,020 --> 02:03:55,640
has disgraced his office as the ethics board attorney he needs to be removed immediately,

1351
02:03:55,880 --> 02:03:59,540
and I'll just point out the ethics board still doesn't have a website, still doesn't have any

1352
02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:10,220
still doesn't make it clear that they exist, or that they can, that you can file a complaint against any county employee or official with that board, they're not advertising it. It's not a coincidence.

1353
02:04:10,900 --> 02:04:19,740
They don't want people to know that they exist. It's there. It's not to enforce the ethics laws, but to shield the powerful from them. And that is effectively what they're doing.

1354
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:24,800
More eyeballs need to be on that board. And I'd like all the freeholders to come to that next meeting June 13.

1355
02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:30,380
if you really want to see the board that it's supposed to be handling effects for this whole

1356
02:04:30,380 --> 02:04:31,020
county.

1357
02:04:31,340 --> 02:04:31,820
Thank you.

1358
02:04:37,260 --> 02:04:38,200
Can you have five minutes?

1359
02:04:38,260 --> 02:04:41,360
Hi Matthew Hirsch, 33-3-Felt in Avenue, Highland Park, New Jersey.

1360
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:47,000
I just wanted to echo Jessica and thank the Freyholder Board for taking, for making

1361
02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:52,880
clear, for making a priority to have clarity of policy on immigration matters.

1362
02:04:53,020 --> 02:04:58,360
It helps us on the local level develop our own policies, and it certainly makes us feel

1363
02:04:58,360 --> 02:05:00,800
that we are acting as a collaborative.

1364
02:05:01,060 --> 02:05:01,620
So thank you.

1365
02:05:01,620 --> 02:05:02,420
Thank you.

1366
02:05:04,710 --> 02:05:05,970
Motion, close, public portion.

1367
02:05:06,230 --> 02:05:08,610
Second motion close by fairly tomorrow.

1368
02:05:08,770 --> 02:05:10,270
Second, by fairly long favor.

1369
02:05:10,770 --> 02:05:11,590
Third motion.

1370
02:05:11,970 --> 02:05:13,730
Second motion, first motion, second Motion, second, second.

1371
02:05:13,730 --> 02:05:13,750
Second motion, second motion, second, second.

1372
02:05:13,750 --> 02:05:15,010
Third motion.

1373
02:05:15,170 --> 02:05:19,630
Second, second, by fairly long favor, second motion.

1374
02:05:20,450 --> 02:05:20,670
Second, second, second, third.