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be good be good since county has Johnson
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set a good example for other people by
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you for your time.
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Seeing none, I'll close public comments.

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Moving down the list, item three,
constitutional officers, treasures

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report only, commissioner's report only.
New sheriff's office, uh, Sheriff Mickey

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Samson.

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Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, board
members. um been in conversation

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uh with some of you over the last couple
of weeks as it pertains to some things

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that I had talked about in the past, a
couple of months ago um as far as the

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courthouse.
Um and today I would like to request uh

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another full-time deputy to be at the
courthouse and if you'll allow me a

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little bit. Um in 2019
the general district clerk's office,

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they changed their schedule.
um juvenile domestic relations court. Uh

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they've added uh dates as well to
include uh circuit court. Um

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we currently staffed the courthouse
um with two full-time persons. One of

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those persons we've taken off the road.
We've actually moved somebody off the

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road and put them in the courthouse. Uh
we've done that. I I made that decision

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as well as actually uh previous sheriff
as well had some discussion on that. Um

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it is a constitutional obligation of
ours to do that that and the civil

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process. Uh so we staff that again with
two full-time people again one coming

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off the road and four now four part-time
persons. Two of those part-time persons

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can only get so many hours in the month
uh due to their retirement uh and I

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believe social security. And one of
those four persons is really a full-time

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civil process server. They are out four,
sometimes five days a week, averaging

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anywhere from 30 to 40 for 32 to 40
hours a week doing nothing but serving

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civil papers, which does take over does
does alleviate some of the

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responsibilities of of just the deputies
on the road where they can focus more on

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enforcement. Um, but as you go down and
start looking at the actual days of

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court, general district holds somewhere
around 48. That's with no additional

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dates being being added. Um
the JDR uh runs somewhere between 36 to

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38 scheduled with with again with
nothing else added. The schedules for

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these courts change during the year as
the judge sees fit um if he needs to add

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days or take away days. And then we al
also have circuit court date which is

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the first and third uh Wednesday u and
that's to include term day which is

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today. um it's every other Tuesday of
it's it's the first Tuesday of every

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even month is when they have that. So
there's somewhere in the neighborhood of

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30 scheduled dates just for circuit
court. And again, that's not including

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any trials or whatever else the judge
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uh add add to the schedule.
Um, if you just took an a regular day

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for a general district court day or or
any court day for that matter, if you

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just had if you just had one court
going, we have to have somebody in the

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control room. That control room, they
monitor the happenings inside of the

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court inside of the courtroom itself um
to to include uh in the in the lockup.

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So, if we have a prisoner in the back,
that person is monitoring that. if

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something were to happen, they could get
on a radio and let let the other persons

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know. So, that's one person and that's
their responsibility. The second person

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I'll talk about is the person that sets
at the metal detector as well as the

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X-ray machine, check all the persons
coming in. We have we do that with one

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person.
They have to run them through the metal

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detector. They have to check uh baggage
through the X-ray machine, whatever they

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may have. Um, and recently, uh, I hate
to use the term because it seems to be

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pretty common as of late, but another
unfunded mandate by by some legislation

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that came down. There was a House bill,
I believe, that came down where they've

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allowed uh cell phones in the courtroom.
With that, and I'm paraphrasing here,

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with that, they've allowed the circuit
court judges to establish

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guidelines for that. our judge decided
to, okay, we're going to let them in,

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but they have to keep them in a Faraday
bag or a yonder bag. I'm not sure if you

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guys are familiar with that. I'm I'm
kind of just getting spun up on it

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myself. Um,
essentially what happens is if someone

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comes in, they have their phone with
them. We no longer tell them to take it

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back to the car. We have to supply them
with one of these bags. They put it in

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the bag and we have to lock it. It has
to be locked. So, you can't use the

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phone in the courtroom. Don't ask me.
That doesn't make any sense either. If

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you're not going to allow them to use
it, but it could be for evidentiary

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purposes. Maybe if the person had some
pictures or whatever on their phone,

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they would have it in there. That can
only be unlocked by us. So, I'm not

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exactly sure how many keys that we do
have. I think that there was four. There

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was one where you're going to be coming
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in the courtroom will have one and then
there'll have to be one when you leave.

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So anytime that somebody needs to access
that phone, whether it's in the

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courtroom or when they leave, we have to
have a deputy now to unlock that because

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we have the key. There's a special
magnetic thing that they do. Of course,

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it's on YouTube. I think there's a
12-year-old that shows you how to open

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it up. Um so, but anyway, we have the
key for it. So, that's going to take

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additional manpower. You have to ask, do
you have your phone? That's that's

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manpower. That's going to be seconds.
That's going to be time. And on a day

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like today, uh, where you have a term
day, you have multiple people coming

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through. Not to mention, now we're going
to that's only the two people that I've

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talked about up to this point. Now,
we're going to have to have somebody and

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we're going to have to figure this out.
How are we going to gather these bags at

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$50 a piece so they don't walk out in
somebody's purse or in somebody's back

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pocket? The third person I'll talk about
is the Chief Baleiff. He is actually in

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the courtroom. We put one person in
there. One.

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And the last person would be uh if there
was a prisoner, they would we would have

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to have somebody in the lockup. So
that's four people at a bare minimum.

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Bare minimum just to function.
Um I would give you an example.

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there have been times where there's been

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two courts going. We do not have enough
people for that. As of today, we had

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road deputies that also had to come in.
some on their day off and substitute in.

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We had some people that were off. So, we
had road deputies in there today again

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uh back filling for our our uh our
courtroom personnel.

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Um
with that person coming off the road, we

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put a little bit more stress on our on
our road units uh to accommodate their

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day-to-day things that they have to do
uh and and their uh patrols and and

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whatnot. Um, that being said, that's
that's a very small part of what our

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manpower goes towards. Anything we have
two campgrounds. I'm not telling you

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anything. You guys don't know, ladies
don't know. Uh, I've been up here before

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and and I've kind of told you this or or
mentioned it that the, you know, we have

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to staff the campgrounds. They they
request a deputy for the campgrounds.

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And we, you name the call and we've
answered at these campgrounds. The calls

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are for service are continuing to go up
into the campgrounds. I personally don't

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like just having one person at these
campgrounds. You take Beth Page, you

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could have 5,000 people in there and one
deputy. It's not a good number. That's

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not good numbers for us. But we have to
have one at Beth Page, one at Grace

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Point. Uh we've run everything uh from
uh possible attempted murder to drug

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charges to domestics to alcohol stuff. I
mean, you name it, we answer the calls.

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And that's just ours. That's not EMS
calls um as far as that goes as well.

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And that's just the that's just uh the
campgrounds. Any of these other events

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that we have to do, the Fourth of July,
the 5K, any of these other special

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events that that we are requested, I
mean, we have to have people there, the

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crab feast, and we're we're stretched
really really thin. uh the person that

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actually fills in that or that we've
moved over to the courthouse is also

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coming back out in the evenings and
trying to pick up some of this other

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stuff whether he's covering the road uh
or he's doing an ECO emergency custody

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order where we have a mental patient
where it falls on law enforcement as

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everything goes if you don't know what
to do just let law enforcement handle

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it. Um it seems that that's the that's
the that's the standard. Um,

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so, uh, again, this is not a request
that's based on something that's going

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to happen in the future. This is kind of
now. And we're feeling we're feeling the

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strain. We're spread very very thin.
And, you know, we have a a tremendous

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bunch of people that we have there now.
It's uh it's been it's been really nice

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to watch uh people come around and and
the excitement and the morale come up

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within the department. So, um, again, I
I am requesting that one deputy so we

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could put that back on the road and
leave our person over there to actually

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run the courts.
>> Questions?

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» I just have one. Uh, I know that in uh
my former department, we we had a lot of

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guys that would retire and they would uh
they'd come in and they were they were

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the bailiffs. They'd come in and work in
the court. And I was wondering if that's

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a possibility here. that would be
somebody who obviously wouldn't be uh

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getting the benefits and that sort of
thing. Um would that is that a something

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that could be done as well or have you
looked into that?

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» We're doing it now. We [laughter] we
have a couple of former uh we have a

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former deputy uh who's in there now. Uh
again, we had some people from the jail

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that were filling in as well. They
phased out some people have taken some

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different jobs. Um but we're and we're
actively looking for for some more

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part-time part- timerrs as well. That
being said, if you kind of pay attention

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to that, we're we're pushing that line
item as it stands on the part-time for

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at that courthouse as well because we
just we just have to have people. You

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there's there's no other there's really
no other way around it. We're we're

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trying to backfill with full-time people
so we're not getting too much into the

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part-time money. Um but we do have some
people that have applied for this

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part-time. So,
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Those bags you referenced, you might
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» 80. We start We started out with 80.
>> So, you're looking at 80 80 people show

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up.
>> Yes, sir. An additional 30 seconds per

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person that may have a that may have a
cell phone. with that deputy having stop

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the process of people coming through the
courtroom. He now has to stop that

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process, get a bag, have that person put
it in there, and then if that person

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leaves that, we also have to recover
that bag. It's just time. Um,

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» so you're talking about 40 minutes to
get them into the courthouse, 40 minutes

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to get them out just because of this
bag.

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» That's correct. Thereabouts. Yes, sir.
>> I mean, yeah, we're talking roughly. And

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then if they have to come out in the
middle of the court or something, make a

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phone call.
>> The same. Yeah. or or if they uh if they

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are standing up in the court and they
have their they have their uh their

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yonder bag and they need to get into it.
We have to stop court proceedings. The

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baiff, the only baiff in there has to
come over there, open the bag for them

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so they can access and then they have to
close that bag. It's just it's just

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another step. It's just tedious and
timeconuming.

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» So every day in court you've potentially
lost two to three man hours.

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» Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
>> Thank you.

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So you're saying that everybody that
comes in the courtroom have a phone. You

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got to put it in the bag. So how you
It's no nothing provided that say you

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need to not to bring your phone and is
what's the deal?

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» We're trying not to take those signs
down. Please don't. We might put please

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up there in front of it. I don't
>> But regardless uh regardless you saying

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they can walk in that courtroom now
regardless of what?

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» That's correct. And you got to protect
and you say they got you got a law come

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down from Richmond to say that or the
state.

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» Yes, sir. New state code. Yes, sir. And
then we have we have order that was

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recently added that was put in uh by the
circuit court judge and how he plans on

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implement implementing that starting
September 1.

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» So everybody that comes in the courtroom
can have a cell phone and you need to

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put it in a bag.
>> That's correct.

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» Then you got to get it from
>> then you got to get it from them. You

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know, it's it's a little strange.

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» Watches, smart watches, those types of
things. They're allowed.

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» Are we permitted provided by law
enforcement to say, "Hey, you're not

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going to bring your laptops in today." I
mean, it it got to be it. It sounds

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strange. It it really sounds strange to
me that somebody would make a law saying

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everybody that comes in the courtroom
can bring a laptop or your cell phone

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into the courtroom. Now, our
responsibility is to put them in a bag.

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I got you there. But the part that is
real strange to me is that any lawmaker

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or any body that we elect that will
agree to something like that is very

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strange.
>> Yes, sir.

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» It's very strange. I
>> I agree with you, Mr. Williams.

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Uh, I assume that probably this would
also apply to the district court, but I

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mean because you don't know where
they're going to go once they get

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through the courthouse as a whole.
That's correct. JDR, general district

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and circuit court
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Anybody that comes in, if you're just
going up to the circuit court or you

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need to go to the clerk's office,
>> you're implementing the bags now.

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» We have the bags now and we Yes. and and
per the code, the same code, it was up

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to the sheriff's office to provide
training and and all the other stuff for

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that. But yes, we plan on implementing
it uh with the uh judge's order by

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September 1. We may try to start a
little early to work some bugs out or

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some I don't know, probably just started
a week or two early if we can.

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» Were any funds provided to you to help
with purchase of the bags?

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» No, sir.

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» Yeah, I have a question too. Um lock up.
I know you know you can lock your phone

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up. Is there any situation where you
could have more lock up and encourage

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them if you're not going to use it in
the court to lock them up? that kind of

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alleviates the bag because I went in
there the other day and you know rushing

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in I just went up to the for for some
records a deed

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» and I had my phone and what they do as
you know I'm I'm just telling people

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that don't don't know uh they give you a
key you lock it up right there and then

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when you go in you take care of your
business you come back out and if you

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want your phone you better put the key
back and and give it back to them that

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that's a process but what I'm just
saying is there any way of helping

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alleviate so and begging people, you
know, putting putting bags in and having

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more lockup and encourage them, the guy
that checks you in. Hey, uh, if you're

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not using in the court, I appreciate if
you lock it up. I mean, it's just a

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thought, you know, and I I know it's
just a thought that ran through my mind.

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» That was actually one of the options
that they had talked about about having

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that lock just having a lock box,
but then the person's in the courtroom

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and they need to come out and they need
to get their phone for something in the

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courthouse. It's it would be another
step. I think the Faraday bags are

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probably the the the if you just
streamline the remedy to the problem, it

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would be the bags. It would be the bags.
I don't even know where we'd put a

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locker some of those lockers like that
to I mean it is it's a little bit tight

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there in the in the forer coming into
the courthouse but

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and then it's something else we need to
be responsible for as well. But but

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yeah, I mean it would make sense to that
to do that as well.

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Well, September one deadline,
not much time there.

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» No, sir. No, sir.
>> So, what is the flavor of the board? Do

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you want to noodle on it some more or do
you want to empower the sheriff to fill

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one spot?

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» A motion would be in order. Then

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» I was just going to you you may want to
ask Miss Ricardi about the financial

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side of that. Like just a thought.
Sorry.

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» In fact, it's interesting you were going
to say that based on my estimates the

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estimated cost for a full year for a
deputy is about $78,000 give or take and

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that doesn't include uniform, weapon,
camera or search training. So um that

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would probably be another $5,000. So,
every year, let's estimate that cost to

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be about $83,000. Sound about right? I
didn't include a vehicle because I don't

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think that position would need a
vehicle. Am I correct?

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» If it's a full-time position,
we we try to get our people to do stuff.

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So, [laughter] they would I mean, not
necessarily. Not necessarily.

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» Yeah. Because we they'll do transports
for the

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» So, I did not even include the price of
a vehicle in that. So, would this be

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something that we would have to um since
it's it's an increase in our budget,

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would we have to have a
>> you need an appropriation

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» to build
>> that? That's why I was asking the

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question. I think I I don't know. I
don't know because I don't know where

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the money's would, Mr. Cardi. Where
would the monies come from?

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» Right. At some point, if again, he might
be able to start this because at the

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first of the year, he's got, you know,
everybody's fat with money, but you're

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going to have to pay for it throughout
the year. So, you will run out of money.

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At some point we would have to
appropriate approximately this $80,000

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um which would be an appropriation fund
excuse me from fund balance as as we

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usual. Yeah, that would be correct. We'd
have to appropriate from fund balance to

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fund this additional position.
>> But I don't think it triggers the 1% for

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a public hearing. Okay. I didn't think
so. Yes.

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» Um the bags, it's interesting you would
say that. I gave him about the same

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advice on that. He's got operating
supply money. We all do. for example,

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the um the facilities and grounds. We've
got operating monies. When you have

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something that pops up, that's what it's
it's really not there for. It's there

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for just their everyday bullets,
weapons, ammo, whatever. It's not made

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for this one time. Was it $10,000 about
that for the vict for those bags?

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» I think it was eight.
>> Okay.

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» So, while it wasn't
>> over 8,000 a little over 8,000. So,

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while their um operating budget wasn't
made for that little $8,000 $8,000, they

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might be able to absorb it because
they've got a, you know, a little bit of

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money for
backpacks, um, belts, whatever it is

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that they got through the year. So, if
not, they'll come back and ask for more.

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I gave them that direction. I said,
"Let's get them now and figure out the

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rest of the budget as year goes on." So,
that's a great question. We had did

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discuss that. You know the only comment
that I got

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it seemed like you know now years ago I
said do more with less

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since that time everybody been doing
asking for more. I don't know no

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organization that revamp or how they do
things or anything else. So we

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[clears throat] keep adding on. We get a
mandate and what happens or whatever to

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come from the state and still we do
anything that and and Mickey you said

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how you was reworking it and all this
but everybody comes after this county

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for taxes no help and I'm just wondering
about how our we can't keep asking the

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taxpayers the elderly and all of them to
come you pay more. this is mandated and

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we're not doing any type of
reconstruction at what we got and you

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know and I'm not going after you know
what you're saying

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» I'm saying every organization they got
you know from janitorial service or

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everything else if we don't start
looking at something a little different

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and we just keep adding salaries which
cost money and it runs the budget up and

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we can pay it we're going to be like
everybody else we're going to be like

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New Jersey
you know you paying your house taxes,

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you going to go crazy. So, uh I
understand the mandate and say September

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the one and there's nothing we can do
about it. You got the men, we got to buy

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the bags, right?
>> Yes, sir.

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» Okay. I I don't see
>> we're not talking about needing a car

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and stuff and everything. We're just
talking about a person salary.

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» We'll be fine with vehicles for now.
That's

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» Thank you.

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So to clarify, at this time, would we be
requesting an appropriation to fund this

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position? That's what would make it the
cleanest. Then I wouldn't have to come

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back for a secondary appropriation
if you chose to.

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» Well, I think you know, as you know, our
job is health,

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safety, and public welfare. And uh
>> when you when you do that, you think

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about uh you get another person on
board, then you you you have to have it

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alleviates pressure in the whole
department. As as I'm saying, you know,

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you got another man here now. You know,
you don't have to be searching for

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part-time all the time, but then you can
use the part-time. You may need a man

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somewhere else. So, you just think about
how the structure of the sheriff's

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department runs. And and they're they're
kind of short. And any weekend with

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these campgrounds down here, it's busy.
And and this this is our job. That's

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you. Think about it. We you know and and
and anything can happen at any time.

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Just think about that. Anything can
happen at any time. And I want the

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county to be safe enough to to handle
their business. Put it that way.

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» You can make you can make the motion.
[laughter]

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» I said my piece. I'm going let you
>> before you do.

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I believe because this is already three
quarters through the or one quarter

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through the year, we can probably take
my the recommended $80,000 and drop that

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down to 53,000 to because you're not
going to pay for it for the full year

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knowing that it'll go up next year. So,
if you only wanted to fully fund or

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partially fund it this year, that's
another option at 54,000.

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» Okay. Uh Mr. Chairman, I move that we
approve of this uh one more position for

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the sheriff's office to cover these uh
incidentals at the uh they have been uh

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in the past, the sheriff's office has
worked with us to uh uh when they were

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getting the body cams to to get a clerk
uh that was already doing other duties

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to be able to do it. They've they've
done everything they can, I think, to

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cut it to keep the personnel cost down.
And I I think in this case it's it's

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reasonable. So I I move that we uh that
we do this

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» second.
>> Any further discussion? Roll call on the

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motion.
>> Mr. Kittinden.

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» Yes.
>> Mr. Jesse?

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» Yes.
>> Mr. Williams?

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» Yes.
>> Mr. Bill Harris?

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» Yes.
>> Mr. Don Harris?

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» Yes.
>> Motion's approved.

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» Thanks, sir.
>> Is there anything else you all would

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like to know about?
>> No. Thank you. told us quite enough.

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» All right.

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» Commonwealth Attorney Mike Herd.

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Good afternoon.
So, I think there have been some

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misunderstandings because I'm in a
complicated profession. It appeared that

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some of the board members were thinking
the general assembly was saying that an

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assistant countless attorney is needed
just to look at body warn camera

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footage. And that's not it. That's not
correct. Um, extra work is required more

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than just looking at footage. It's also
the discovery requirements, ethical

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requirements, and the work the body warn
camera footage is on the prosecutor

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handling the case. and it's recognized
that causes extra work in the cow

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attorney, it's the countless attorney
then has to decide how that extra work

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is to be handled by the countless
attorney's office, not a board of

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supervisors.
So when a locality implements the bodywn

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cameras, the decision on how to staff
commonwealth attorney's office is on the

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comm
um to decide how best to operate that

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office and the needs of individual
offices are different.

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um space available, local workforce,
types of cases, work required, whether

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misdemeanors are prosecuted and
determining the impact of the body warn

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cameras. We have to look at more than
just the extra work on the body warn

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cameras because of that. But what is the
office doing before that? What is our

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workload before that?
And I look at the needs of common

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attorney's office in order to best serve
the public and best do the job required.

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And this board has asked about
parallegal. And I think I may have not

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given you good examples such as a
parallegal looks at something and says,

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"Oh, guy confessed
not recognizing the guy was handcuffed

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and he's being searched after he's been
arrest. He's been handcuffed. He's asked

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about certain questions and things and
it's inadmissible. I just watched body

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worn camera camera footage. I believe it
was last within the past two weeks and

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there was a teeny tiny little report,
not actually called a report. It's in

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the call for service report and it lists
a teeny bit of information and

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completely misses
the defense of what the defendant and

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his witness are saying. Completely
missed it.

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completely missed the whole legal
argument that would be presented at

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court if we go to court because this is
a case of the the deputies just said,

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"Oh, you can go to magister if you want
to." So then I'm called by the victim.

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He wants to know should he do that or
not. That means I had to look at the

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footage and what I saw and what was on
the report was vastly different. We

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can't trust a parillegal with stuff like
that. Even the deputy did catch on to a

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lot of that. And then you've got and the
ethical requirements I've talked about

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before. And when it comes to whether or
not to have a part-time person, I put

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together for you 12 points which I hope
you read 12 points is to in detail where

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I analyze that as to how it could work
best or not work for Middle Sex County

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and I I can summarize it again if needed
if someone wants to go through that. But

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let's look at our current workload.
Three years ago, I warned that the

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situation was untenable and that we
desperately needed help. And the office

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met state state staffing guidelines for
another CA, but I was concerned they

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weren't going to put it in the budget. I
asked you for help. You budgeted it, but

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then you didn't have to spend it because
the state came up with the money. So, I

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advertised for the position at the
mandatory minimum. Became obvious we

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couldn't we couldn't hire anybody for
that. and you came forward and

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recognized the need and came up with a
supplement so we could have somebody.

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And so now here we are about three years
later

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and I had thought honestly with an extra
person it could be handled managed you

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know pretty well but and for a while it
was but now we're at a different

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standpoint than what we were before. Now
we're at there's even more discovery

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rules have been even expanded to general
district court now more procedures that

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are hand that we have to do more CA
types of cases sealing statutes etc

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other stuff is coming on oh you hired
someone for to handle ceiling ceiling

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statutes in circuit court but we don't
have anything like that we still just

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expected just to do it
and so with all this extra stuff we have

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to do now body one camera footage is
added and let me tell you about July

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just for me I had the first two days off
for vacation I worked the holiday of

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July 3rd I was off on July 4th and then
I worked 21 days straight

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because of what we have to do now just
body worn cameras but everything else 21

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days straight

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nights weekends
[clears throat]

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comes to uh 250 hours a day, 250 hours
in July.

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Now, the business hours were 184, which
where I mean I worked 66 hours over for

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the month, which if you want to do the
math, that's uh an extra week and a

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half.
I can't continue to do that. Can't.

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Thank you.

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Thanks,

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Maybe I ought to have skipped the part
about what we learned at training

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recently.
Um,

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I say some of the things I had to cut
out

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included a training session because you
can't do everything. And the two-day

407
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:46,480
training I I I skipped out on because I
had to meet with a 11year-old girl who

408
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:52,354
attempted suicide
because she was so scared of testifying

409
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:56,640
in front of a jury.
>> [clears throat]

410
00:35:53,440 --> 00:36:03,200
» But we got through that. So, one of the
things we learned was um

411
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:08,079
people can't do the job that we do for a
lot of different reasons.

412
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:12,800
So, um another thing I learned at the
conference

413
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:18,079
was more aware of the inability of
offices to find new prosecutors.

414
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:22,800
So, one assistant counels attorney told
me he resides in a county that doesn't

415
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:27,200
pay supplements. He drives an hour to
get to where he goes for higher pay. I

416
00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:30,880
know another assistant councel's
attorney in that same locality that

417
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:35,599
doesn't pay supplements. He travels to a
nearby city. So, at the VA meeting,

418
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:40,160
Virginia Association Council Attorneys
meeting, um I heard something that was

419
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:44,160
surprising to me [clears throat]
because for years, VAKA has advocated

420
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:48,160
for more prosecutors positions because
we don't have enough. The office is

421
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:52,720
overworked.
It's a change now. What they discussed

422
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:56,160
at the meeting was changing strategy
because no one's filling these open

423
00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:00,800
spots.
So the strategy to try to convince the

424
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:06,560
general assembly in the ne next session
is for higher pay because there's no use

425
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:12,079
in trying to get you know the more spots
when we just can't fill them.

426
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:18,079
Um and plus many lawyers don't want to
go through what we go through as a

427
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:21,839
preferred career choice. Um, a panel
discussion on Saturday's conference

428
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:27,280
included about the trauma we're exposed
to, vicarious trauma, advers constant

429
00:37:25,359 --> 00:37:32,000
adversarial experiences, the chronic
stress of the job,

430
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:35,520
um, deeply disturbing things we handle,
how it disrupts cognition, impairs

431
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,760
memory, concentration, causes
irritability, which Miss Lewis

432
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:44,160
experienced from me recently, and other
problems. and but we can only take so

433
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:47,839
much but we are it was stressed that we
help people in a way that no one else

434
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:52,800
can help.
So there's a change of strategy that the

435
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:58,480
prosecutors realize we have to go
through.

436
00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:03,839
So the current minimum salary for a
full-time person is 80,725.

437
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:09,839
It's gone up as I told you before. It
needs to be higher to attract someone.

438
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:15,440
Now, I previously suggested about 85,000
back when the salary was 77,000, but now

439
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:20,400
that needs to go up. Um, I think it
should go around 87 to 90. But I would

440
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:25,280
say this,
if you only budget the minimum,

441
00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:30,720
if you only, and I'm ending here, but if
you only budget the minimum,

442
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:34,560
that is basically equal to not funding
the position in the way it can be

443
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:41,359
filled. I mean to be honest we we got to
realize that that fact counties can't

444
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:45,240
not f fill the job with only the
um so

445
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:51,359
that's not meeting the need the needs to
be done right it's a priority of public

446
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,960
safety otherwise I can't continue to do
the same thing as with head with the

447
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:59,920
extra work and not hiring the extra
person we have to cease more trainings

448
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:04,560
than what little I do now do less
contacting of victim victims witnesses

449
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:08,000
less le contact with law enforcement. I
mean, officers have had me say

450
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:12,160
sometimes, "I can't talk to you right
now." That happens. Less interaction

451
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:17,680
with the public, elimination of type of
cases we do. I mean, you've heard from

452
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:22,400
the sheriff's office of how more and
more cases happen, but no one seems to

453
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:26,400
think about the prosecutor that's got to
do the work.

454
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:31,119
And now we have to look at the bodywn
camera footage, the hours of that. And

455
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,320
frankly, I'll admit I'm doing other
things as I'm doing it. If there's if

456
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:38,880
the officer is going to go and get his
business card, you know, I'm not

457
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:44,240
watching that time. I'm I'm also doing
other stuff on the computer and looking

458
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:48,640
at emails, etc. that I have to do.
So,

459
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:53,200
I've strived to not have happen in
Middle Sex what happens to a lot of

460
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:57,040
places where mistakes are made, there's
a less inadequate job because of

461
00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:01,280
underfunding and the inability to get
the help.

462
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:07,400
So, I'm asking you to share with me type
of effort I'm trying to do for the

463
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,400
people of Middle Sex. Thank you.

464
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:15,119
» Oh, questions.
>> Sorry. Like I said, I've just been

465
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,000
swallowed lately.
>> Mr. Chairman, can I ask one

466
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,839
clarification point, please? I'm sorry,
Mr. Kittin.

467
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,240
» Yes.
>> Okay. Mr. Herd, what was the I've been

468
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,599
trying to find the starting salary. I
know the comp board was updating their

469
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:32,000
numbers. Do you have the newest number?
>> 80,725.

470
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:36,240
» 8725.
Okay. And that's okay. Thank you. Sorry

471
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:39,119
for that. I just I I missed the number.
Thank you.

472
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:42,119
» 80,705, right?
>> 25.

473
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:50,240
» All right. Um, Mr. Chairman, I I feel
that the board's been very fair to our

474
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:54,800
Commonwealth attorney. A year or so ago,
Mr. Herd asked for more help handling

475
00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:58,560
the increased case load. I supported it.
this board supported it and took a

476
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,920
chance on whether the state funding that
was before we knew it was going to be

477
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:06,000
funded, but we went out on a limb and
said, "Okay, we're gonna we we realize

478
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:09,200
you need that and whether the state
funding would be there or not, we were

479
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:13,920
going to pay for it." And as it is right
now, we're still paying for part of

480
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:17,920
that. Um,
we wanted you to get a good assistant,

481
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:22,160
which you did.
Now, we're asked to to provide a full

482
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:26,560
funding for another assistant
Commonwealth attorney. Now, let me

483
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:31,040
correct that.
Mr. Herd has demanded that we fund one.

484
00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:35,920
We asked them to explore different
options, a parallegal, part-time

485
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:42,160
attorney, whatever.
Other area counties have worked uh with

486
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:46,800
their boards to find such solutions.
Some have worked. Some lowerc cost

487
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:50,079
alternatives seem to be working. Some
have found that they didn't work and

488
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:55,760
they went back to their board. But at
least they tried.

489
00:41:52,720 --> 00:42:01,200
Not Mr. heard. Now he's taken us to
court if we don't comply.

490
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:06,720
He even suggested that our board could
be charged criminally with uh

491
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:10,960
malfeasants in office trying to be
responsible with our constituents tax

492
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:15,839
money. And according to our county
attorney, he has law the law on his

493
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:24,720
side.
So be it. Accordingly, I will vote to

494
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:28,880
approve this mandated position.
80,725

495
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:33,319
plus benefits
and not one cent more.

496
00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:40,599
» Is that a motion, Mr. Kittin?
>> No.

497
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,599
» Okay.

498
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:45,720
» That's why I was asking for
clarification. Sorry.

499
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:55,839
Mr. Herd, the board has demonstrated
time and time again that it supports law

500
00:42:53,520 --> 00:43:02,240
enforcement and the administr
administration of justice. We approved

501
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:07,359
body cameras. Uh we believe in
transparency and accountability.

502
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:13,040
We previously funded a second
Commonwealth attorney and when you came

503
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:18,160
back seeking additional resources, we
didn't dismiss your concerns. We asked

504
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:24,079
you to work with us. We asked whether a
parallegal, a par part-time attorney or

505
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:30,240
another solution could accomplish the
same objective while respecting the

506
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:35,040
taxpayers who fund this government.
Instead of collaboration, we were met

507
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:40,720
with ultimatums.
Instead of discussion, we were lectured.

508
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:48,480
instead of compromise, you made it clear
that you um that your way was the only

509
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:55,520
acceptable way. And now you've chosen to
sh sue the citizens of Middle Sex County

510
00:43:53,119 --> 00:44:00,720
through their elected board that you
were asked to work with. No one on this

511
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:05,040
board questions the importance of your
office.

512
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:12,720
This board does not
cheap out on justice. That is why we

513
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:19,520
supplemented your office by $49,000
approximately with the local taxpayers

514
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:26,319
monies. What question is is the refusal
to engage in good faith problem solving.

515
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:30,240
Every department head in this county is
expected to work collaboratively,

516
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:35,920
consider alternatives,
and recognize that every dollar we spend

517
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:41,839
belongs to the taxpayers. We expected
the same from our Commonwealth attorney,

518
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:49,119
and it is disappointing that we were not
given um did not receive that.

519
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:54,079
Leadership is not measured by how
quickly you file a lawsuit. It is

520
00:44:52,079 --> 00:45:02,440
measured by your willingness to solve
problems before you do. The board was

521
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:02,440
willing to negotiate. You were not.

522
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:11,200
» Anything else? Oh, yeah. You'll have to
take a vote.

523
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:18,160
» Not quite yet.
>> We won't be voting on anything today. Um

524
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:24,720
uh you know um I would think if history
repeats itself in this day day and time

525
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:30,160
if we in the working working sector we
don't see

526
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:34,960
with the tools and stuff we have to
solve problems it don't get longer. Now

527
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:38,400
Mr. Herb I just going to give one
example. You stood right there maybe

528
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:43,839
about three or four months ago and you
was on a case and you were saying that I

529
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:48,240
don't know what
I would do without cameras. This one

530
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:52,720
particular one had video and you said
immediately when I got the video we

531
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:58,400
solved the case right away and that was
your your words. Now I understand what

532
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:04,079
the state is saying. It's saying that we
uh are as taxpayers of Mils County, as

533
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:09,599
the elderly once again or whatever it
is, we don't have a choice. Now, they're

534
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:14,960
making it our fault on the communication
factor because I would think that your

535
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:20,560
attorney and your sheriff office should
be working together 100%.

536
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:25,599
Now, from my understanding, they write
up a case. You know, they take time

537
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:30,880
writing up. Somebody in somebody got to
be doing less work for you to be doing

538
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:34,480
more. And that's what I'm saying. Uh
because you got better tools. Body

539
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:38,240
cameras better tools. I mean, it it
shows more. And I'm not trying I'm

540
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:44,319
saying a picture of video on your
camera. Somebody

541
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:49,440
got to be doing less work. every
basically everywhere in the sector in

542
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:53,680
the private sector and they spend money.
They don't spend money to hire more

543
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:59,119
people. They spend money on equipment to
do less. Now we giving body cams and we

544
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:02,880
saying study the body cams and all of a
sudden we saying we need more over here,

545
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,240
more over there. I can tell you what I
think. You know, we don't we don't have

546
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:09,680
a choice. We don't have a choice to tell
people like me that are elderly that

547
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:14,880
have been in Middle Sex County all our
life or that somebody want to take us to

548
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:21,119
court just because we making things
better and we think that it costing us

549
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:25,599
more work when if you in any profession
I got to talk to people that's on the

550
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:30,000
job is real. All right. If all I done
was open a door every day

551
00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:34,240
I would be a whole lot better at open
that door up putting that door up. So I

552
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:37,200
don't know if I'm saying it right now.
Now you took a lawyer, a lawyer, you've

553
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:42,160
been in service for a long time. He got
a case. So what we saying is going to

554
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:47,359
take you forever to be good at what you
got because of the little small points.

555
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:52,160
So now I need help so I can lay back and
monitor the situation. And if all of us

556
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:57,119
are honest with ourselves, we got to
stop keep asking for more and think

557
00:47:54,720 --> 00:48:01,280
about the process of the system, how it
works before it get to you. Because

558
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:06,560
we've been hearing this, you know, off
and on. Now you was a lawyer. I'm just a

559
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:10,400
common Joe. Most of us are. So you come
to us in lawyer terms. Well, I'm gonna

560
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:16,000
come to you in simple terms. If you
based on your history, based on history,

561
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:25,760
man, you're not going to be perfect.
So all we asking is that a chance

562
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:31,280
to make the system work.
And I think you can do that. I I really

563
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:35,200
think I really think that if we take the
process and make it work, it'll be

564
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:39,680
better for everybody instead of just
putting money on the top money on top

565
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:44,559
money. I think somebody say we give them
higher wages, you know, bad is good and

566
00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:46,800
bad is bad. If you hire somebody, you
can pay them all they want sooner or

567
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:51,200
later they're not going to be worth
nothing. So the idea if you growing in

568
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:55,760
in the process and I feel you grow in
the system, I think it's but a system

569
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:59,760
between you all and the sheriff, you all
in the sheriff office. We can talk here

570
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,880
uh to night and day. And I'm not going
to get on the law enforcement side. I

571
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:08,480
just going to stay on the common sense
side. It's a process. It's a system from

572
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:13,280
the person in the house that got the
body cams that goes there and look at

573
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:17,680
that video and writes it up, then hand
it over to you. And the only thing I'm

574
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:22,319
telling you is that some deputies that I
have talked to say they write it up and

575
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:26,720
they look over it. Then you decide, you
know, uh, the pros and cons of whatever

576
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:31,040
it is, and you decide what case you want
to do and what you don't want to do. So,

577
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:35,599
uh, hey, man, if we ain't got a choice
to give you what you what you ask for,

578
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:38,640
we just got to give you what you ask for
and let the ship sail. But all I'm

579
00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:40,800
saying is that
>> Hey, man.

580
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,800
» You mean sink?
>> No, wait a minute. I'm just saying that

581
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:49,280
everybody should be working together as
a system. That's what I'm saying. I I'm

582
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:54,240
not telling you how you do your job. I'm
saying from the child that got beat in

583
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:58,640
the house, uh the deputy that went there
and you end up in the in in the

584
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:02,319
prosecuting office, you all got to work
together and we can get all we want and

585
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:08,240
we can't buy that. We got to have it
right here. Okay? So, if you ask me just

586
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:11,200
like just like Randy, I call him Randy.
I mean, you know, Randy, he saying,

587
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:14,960
"Man, this is what you want?" I don't
have problem because you don't have no

588
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:18,480
choice but you tied my hands. Nobody
ties my hand. Tell me how to vote. But

589
00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:22,400
but you know
>> the law is the law, Mr. Williams.

590
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:25,440
» Look. Oh Lord, man, don't you tell me
nothing but the law, right? We gonna

591
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:28,079
leave that one alone. You don't know who
you looking at.

592
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:31,359
» All right. Don't you sit there in this
courtroom and tell me about the law. We

593
00:50:29,839 --> 00:50:34,079
going to leave that alone. I don't even
want to talk about it. So we can go on

594
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,800
to the next one. I don't want to talk
about it.

595
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:39,920
» Um Mike, I would just like to say
something before we we got we got we

596
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:44,400
need to make a decision though
regardless. I see you you up here

597
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:47,119
getting upset and uh we all got to work
together and what's best for Middle Sex

598
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:51,440
County. That's number one. You got to
think about what's best for Middle Sex

599
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:56,559
County. This whole scenario shouldn't
have happened, how it happened. I'm

600
00:50:52,880 --> 00:51:00,400
going to let you know that. And and uh
the law is the law. We know, we

601
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:04,480
understand that. But I don't want to
delay, you know, the opportunity of us

602
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:10,480
using the body cams and all that stuff
cuz it been going on too long anyway.

603
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:18,720
And by getting mad don't help anybody.
We we Hey. Hey, let it go. Let's get

604
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:22,680
this thing going on. And uh I well I I
would we need to make a motion.

605
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:31,440
» I think a motion would be pertinent
after the uh potentially after the close

606
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:35,359
session.
>> Okay. Right. Right. I agree with you,

607
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:39,359
but we need to make a motion and and get
this out the way. Uh I don't see

608
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:43,280
believing it because the law is the law.
Think about it. And uh we can we can

609
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:50,680
drag it on all we want to.
>> But the law is the law.

610
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,680
Thank you, Mr. Herd.

611
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:06,559
Agency and staff reports. Item number
four, VDOT. Lee Mcnite.

612
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:11,839
Um he's not in here. Uh pay. It's a
report only of the progress on the road

613
00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:19,200
scenario.
School matters not presented.

614
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:27,079
EDA marketing report only. Social
services report only.

615
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:27,079
Library carry do

616
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,160
Yeah, it's right here.

617
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:57,520
» Okay. All right.
So, good afternoon. Um, hopefully I can

618
00:52:55,599 --> 00:53:05,599
give you something a little bit more
light-hearted. Um, first of all, I did

619
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:10,800
want to pass out. So, thi this is um
just part of our harvest just from

620
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:17,440
today. Um, at the Urbana Library, we
have these straw bale gardens and we

621
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:22,160
have a bumper crop of tomatoes. So,
please I'll pass them around. Please

622
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:26,440
help yourselves. We have some extra um
plastic bags. So,

623
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,099
So, I think we're going to have to
report that on our conflict sheet.

624
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,280
Carrie, what what do you think the
[laughter] value is on those tomatoes

625
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:42,880
there?
>> Thank you.

626
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:47,760
» But yes, we have we have plenty more.
We'll have more tomorrow, more the day

627
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:54,240
after that, everything. So, but I did
want to say that those um that garden

628
00:53:50,800 --> 00:54:00,000
has been a real draw for the kids. Um,
we have a few different varieties of

629
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:06,960
tomatoes. We have, um, a few different
varieties of peppers, bell peppers and

630
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:11,839
jalapenos. We have at least three
watermelons growing there and at least

631
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:17,440
three pumpkins, like big carvingsiz
pumpkins. So, anyway, it's going to be

632
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:22,800
interesting um, come this fall. So,
really today, I just wanted to give you

633
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:28,319
kind of a a snapshot of what the library
is. I'm not asking for money. Um I'm not

634
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:35,520
complaining. I just wanted to give you
um a taste of what we do every day. Um

635
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:41,760
since I don't see too many of you come
by the libraries too often.

636
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:48,079
But anyway,
so as you already know, um we are

637
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:54,400
comprised of two branches. One in
Deltavville, one in Urbana. Uh the one

638
00:54:50,720 --> 00:55:00,880
in Deltavville is actually a uh far was
a pharmacy and it was repurposed back in

639
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:06,559
the 90s early 90s as a library. Um the
one in Urbana was actually built in the

640
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:09,753
early 90s as a library and we're still
going strong.

641
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:16,640
Um,
[clears throat]

642
00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:22,640
in 2024, we acquired the mobile library
and thanks in part for you guys. Um,

643
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:29,599
especially with the the COVID money that
we received. Um, so right now the mobile

644
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:35,280
library is very busy. Um, we go to the
Urbana and the Deltavville farmers

645
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:40,720
markets every month. Um, twice a month
we go to Porttown Village right outside

646
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:47,040
of Urbana. Twice a month we go to
Dockside in Locust Hill and then twice a

647
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:53,680
month we go to the Riverside Rehab here
in Saluda. Um, during the summer reading

648
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:59,200
programs, we went to the YMCA every week
and we went to the Horizon's Daycare

649
00:55:55,839 --> 00:56:05,520
every week. So, as you can see, we have
been very busy with with our van. Um we

650
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:12,079
you'll also see it like at the Christmas
parade in Urbana. You'll see it um let's

651
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:18,799
see at the Junth celebration.
So we do a lot of different events with

652
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:24,799
it and the the reception's been really
really good. Um especially

653
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:30,000
even you know visitors coming like from
the campgrounds you know it's a really

654
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:37,280
good place to see oh they do have a
great library so they come and visit us

655
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:43,200
through this mobile library.
So I know you like some uh numbers so I

656
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:48,160
just wanted to give you some numbers. So
between the two branches and the mobile

657
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:55,440
library we have almost 53,000 physical
items. So that's books, print books,

658
00:56:51,200 --> 00:57:03,280
audio books, DVDs, and then also we have
STEM kits for kids and nature backpacks

659
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:09,359
for kids. Um, in fiscal year 25, we had
over 15,000 visits. Fiscal year 26, it's

660
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:14,319
looking like maybe a little bit more
than that. So our numbers continue to

661
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:21,280
grow, especially after COVID, just
continue to increase our numbers. We had

662
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:27,359
over 7,000 Wi-Fi sessions this past
year. And um really that comes from

663
00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:33,200
people bringing in their own laptops,
bringing in their own phones to connect

664
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:38,000
to our Wi-Fi. Um a lot of Boers in
Deltavville do that. They'll come to the

665
00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:41,839
library and actually work from the
library, work remotely from the library,

666
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:48,559
and that seems to be a very popular
thing. Uh, and we just finished our

667
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:53,839
summer reading program on July 23rd. And
again, our numbers continue to go up

668
00:57:51,280 --> 00:58:00,559
year after year in participation. I
mean, 92 reading contest participants.

669
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:04,960
That's the most we've ever had.
So, here are some pictures of just

670
00:58:02,319 --> 00:58:09,119
programs and people. Um, you can see
there's

671
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:16,640
Frank Long down there doing a
presentation. Um to the right of him is

672
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:24,799
uh to the right of him is our flower
garden at the Urbana Library. Um down

673
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:31,359
below that we have um a our birding
presentation that we have annually every

674
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:38,559
February. That's a big crowd draw. Um
and then we have a picture from our one

675
00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:44,720
of our uh story times from this summer.
That's um our children's librarian,

676
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:50,319
Kristen Robertson. And right beside her,
her head cut off, but that was our

677
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:56,559
summer intern, um Izzy Kyland, and she
did a great job. So,

678
00:58:54,319 --> 00:59:02,240
and another couple things you might not
know about us. So, we have two special

679
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:06,480
book collections in Urbana. We have
Virginia reference collection. that is a

680
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:12,880
reference collection so you can't check
them out. But that's prim uh consists of

681
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:17,760
primarily Virginia his history with a
emphasis on Middle Sex County and our

682
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:24,160
surrounding counties. Um we have family
histories, colonial records, cemetery

683
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:31,839
records, um military records like from
the Civil War and then also books about

684
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:36,799
other historical uh topics like colonial
architecture, that sort of thing. Down

685
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:42,799
in chess in Deltavville, we have the
Chesapeake Bay collection and that can

686
00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:49,760
be checked out and that has everything
bay related. So, science books, history

687
00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:55,520
books about the bay, cookbooks. We have
books about sail and power boats, novels

688
00:59:53,760 --> 01:00:01,040
centered around Chesapeake Bay,
biographies about people around the bay.

689
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:07,799
That one can be checked out and that is
very um very popular with our boers

690
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:07,799
again down in Deltavville.

691
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:16,079
And I would be remiss without talking
about our website. So our website is

692
01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:20,240
when people go to it, I think they're
kind of surprised at how much we

693
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:28,480
actually have. So our website is your
middle sex library.org

694
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:37,680
and um we have 19 digital resources
available on it. So that means access to

695
01:00:32,799 --> 01:00:46,319
Libby for ebooks, all free. Access to
Canopy, which is free streaming movies,

696
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:53,200
um documentaries, TV series like the
BBC, TV series, those sort of things. We

697
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:59,760
have um digital magazines. We have
digital newspapers from around the world

698
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:06,160
and the US, you know, so papers like the
Richmond Times Dispatch. You can look at

699
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:13,520
it, look at a digital copy of it online,
so it looks just like what the printed

700
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:20,079
one. Um, but we have like a a good
oldfashioned database like with

701
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:29,760
newspaper articles and journal articles.
We have resources for um for job

702
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:35,520
seekers. We have resources for vets and
um

703
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:40,960
even homework help for kids, students.
So, we have a wide variety of digital

704
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:44,160
resources. I really uh encourage you to
go and see those.

705
01:01:43,412 --> 01:01:48,640
[snorts]
And if you have any questions at all

706
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:53,599
trying to get through our website, just
please contact me. I'm more than happy

707
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:58,480
to sit down with you and help you
through through all of these things.

708
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:05,119
And this you've probably seen before,
but this is our current um strategic

709
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:09,760
plan. So, right now, we are working on
getting physical space for teens,

710
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:14,960
especially down in the Deltavville
branch right now. Uh we did recently

711
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:21,920
receive a grant from the River County's
Community Foundation and that will help

712
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:29,280
help us to purchase um furniture for
teens. When we when I met with some

713
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:35,040
teens from our high school um just as a
focus group to get what they really

714
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:40,720
wanted, I they didn't really talk about
electronics or anything. What they

715
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:46,880
talked about is having a calming,
comfortable space for them so that they

716
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:53,119
can collaborate together on group
projects and even just something as

717
01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:58,000
simple as a dry erase board so that they
can do their math problems on it, you

718
01:02:55,599 --> 01:03:03,040
know. So simple things like that and
said, I think we can handle that. So

719
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:08,640
that's what we're working on right now.
Also looking towards the future. Um,

720
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:13,839
we're also looking at our meeting areas.
So, down in Deltaville, we have a nice

721
01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:17,839
meeting room that has doors. You can
shut it off from the rest of the

722
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:26,799
library. But in Urbana, we don't have
that luxury. And so, looking forward

723
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:34,000
looking at how can we add space to have
that meeting space up there. So, that's

724
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:37,960
really all it is. So, um, do you have
any questions for me?

725
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:44,000
» No. Okay.
>> I I'd just like to commend the great job

726
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,520
that you're doing for the county
library.

727
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,440
» Thank you.
>> Appreciate it.

728
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:51,160
» Appreciate it. All right. Well, thank
you so much.

729
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:58,880
» Middle Sex,
BCE,

730
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:02,400
McKenzie, Kirby.
>> So, now we had tomatoes. Are you

731
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,559
bringing zucchini or squash? I mean,
Frank, you got you ice cream. Really

732
01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:09,160
not.
>> I know, right? Or some sweet corn, you

733
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,160
know.

734
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:19,280
» So, thank you'all all for having me this
afternoon. It has been a true blessing

735
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:22,720
and honor to be here. So, I am the
summer intern for the Middle Sex County

736
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:26,160
Virginia Cooperative Extension. And a
little bit to introduce myself, my name

737
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:29,359
is Mackenzie Kirby. I am a recent
graduate from Virginia Tech where I

738
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:33,520
received my bachelor's degree in animal
and poultry sciences with a minor in

739
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:36,799
political science. I grew up on a farm
in Hanover County, Virginia, and I've

740
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:41,119
been working in veterary medicine for
the last four years. Um, coming into

741
01:04:39,359 --> 01:04:45,440
this internship, I had a very good
background in vegetables, grain, cattle,

742
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:49,760
and hog production. But I lacked a lot
of knowledge and aronomy, crop and

743
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:55,039
soils, oyster production, youth
education, as well as just business. So

744
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:59,280
to start out my internship, one of the
first big events or big two events I was

745
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:04,000
able to be a part of was the Virginia
Small Grain Spiel Day held at the

746
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:08,799
Eastern Virginia A-R in Warsaw as well
as the Mid-Atlantic Wheat Tour. And at

747
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:14,559
both of these events, I was able to meet
with indust industry stakeholders, local

748
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:18,960
producers, as well as some that weren't
exactly local to this area, as well as

749
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:23,839
other interns interning with different
organizations and even Secretary

750
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:28,400
Frasier, which is the Virginia A and
Forestry Secretary. Um, at the small

751
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:31,680
greens field day, I was able to meet
with the producers as well as

752
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:35,680
stakeholders there. We were able to
visit farms in Essex, Middle Sex, and

753
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:39,920
King William counties. talking with the
producers, learning about what they are

754
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:43,920
doing, the problems they are facing, as
well as how they make their decisions.

755
01:05:41,839 --> 01:05:48,640
This was also an opportunity to see some
of the freeze damage firsthand of how

756
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:53,839
that was affected throughout the
different areas of the Middle Peninsula

757
01:05:51,520 --> 01:06:00,079
of this year's wheat crop, which did
devastate some areas, unfortunately.

758
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:04,640
Um, while doing this, we were able to
again just kind of meet and discuss. It

759
01:06:02,319 --> 01:06:11,039
was a great learning opportunity for me
and I'm very appreciative for that. Um,

760
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:14,960
but to start out my actual event, I was
able to host a couple programs here

761
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:19,119
during the summer. My first one is
called a JDAM workshop which is all

762
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:23,680
about organic practices that come from
South Korea. So that program was

763
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:28,079
actually held at the Deltaville branch
of the Middle Sex County Public

764
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:33,280
Libraries and I was able to teach locals
about the JDM practices, their

765
01:06:29,839 --> 01:06:36,400
technologies, their origins, as well as
introducing producers throughout the

766
01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:40,799
state that use these technologies
already. And I had the great opportunity

767
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:44,640
to actually be able to do demos for
everyone that was there and even send

768
01:06:42,319 --> 01:06:48,960
them home with little starter kits for
their solutions.

769
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:54,000
My second program was a youth shooting
education workshop. Um, for this

770
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:57,920
program, it was held at the Middle Sex
Shooting Sports Club where youth got and

771
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:03,119
their families actually were able to get
hands-on safety instruction as well as

772
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:07,119
live fire practice in the disciplines of
archery, shotgun, and [clears throat]

773
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:10,400
rifle. Um, we also have members of the
Middle Sex Sheriff's Office there as

774
01:07:08,799 --> 01:07:14,319
well as the Virginia Department of
Wildlife Resources who were able to

775
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:20,400
share their experiences, their
opportunities with both participants and

776
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:24,240
their families. Um, we had education
from outside sources as well. We had

777
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:28,000
members of the King William Shooting
Sports Club there, which is a 4 club for

778
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:32,160
King Wham County as our primary
instructors. And then the shooting club

779
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:36,640
also had some of their NRA certified
instructors being there as our secondary

780
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:40,799
instructors for the event. And we had
support from local organizations such as

781
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:45,520
Eminem Building Supply, Tractor Supply,
as well as Molden Hill Venue.

782
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:50,400
Some other things that I was able to do
over the summer was I had opportunities

783
01:07:48,799 --> 01:07:55,280
to assist in the research plots
throughout the county for both corn and

784
01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:58,799
soybean trials doing variety testing. I
was able to help install those plots.

785
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:05,200
Unfortunately, I won't be around when
they will be harvesting them, but I hope

786
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:08,880
to see the data. We were also doing,
it's called spore trap collection, which

787
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:14,079
in a corn plot here in the county, right
up 17, it's collecting fungal diseases

788
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:19,279
and basically detecting where they are
in the county and how bad they are

789
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:23,600
currently. I also had the opportunity to
visit oyster seed holdings, which there

790
01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:26,400
I got a tour of their facilities. I
learned about the oyster industry

791
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:30,159
because that is something I know
absolutely nothing about. Um, learned

792
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:35,279
the different sectors of their industry
and just kind of how they work as a

793
01:08:32,719 --> 01:08:39,920
whole. Um, we were also able to visit
Crazy Clover Farm which has a butcher

794
01:08:37,839 --> 01:08:43,520
shop where Mr. Wayne Burch took me
around through their butcher shop which

795
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:47,759
is currently closed until they reopen
later in the month. I was got a tour of

796
01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:51,520
their facility, seeing their yearly
updates, discuss with him some of the

797
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:56,640
things that they do, what they're doing
with the county, but also just see what

798
01:08:54,640 --> 01:09:02,799
legislation of the state and locally
affects them and discuss that.

799
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:06,080
So to the board of supervisors for
Middle Sex County and Middle Sex County

800
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:10,799
as a whole, thank you for this
opportunity and welcoming me as your

801
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:14,799
summer intern for VCE. It has been a
great teaching experience. Gotten me out

802
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:18,239
of my comfort zone in a few areas, but
also allowed me to share some of my

803
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:20,239
knowledge back with the community. So,
thank you.

804
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:23,120
» Thank you. Thank you.
>> Any questions?

805
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:26,560
» I have one question.
>> Yes, sir.

806
01:09:23,679 --> 01:09:28,400
» What is in the organic pesticide?
>> So,

807
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:33,120
» I saw that. I wanted to know
>> that one specifically. JDAM is all about

808
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:40,480
kind of curating it to what you want to
apply it on. So, your base is going to

809
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:44,719
be some sort of starch, water, salt, but
if you want to put it on tomato crops,

810
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:49,120
it's suggested that you put old tomatoes
back in there, whether that's the actual

811
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:53,679
plant or the actual fruit and help it
ferment. And then you're able to go in

812
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:57,920
and spread it specifically on that crop
because of the microbes in it are

813
01:09:55,520 --> 01:10:01,600
they're more likely to attack the fungal
diseases that you're seeing or the pest

814
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:03,840
that you're seeing on your crops right
there.

815
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:07,168
» Okay. So, I'm not supposed to use that
seven desk. [laughter]

816
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:12,440
» Thank you all.
>> Thank you very much.

817
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:20,440
» Item five, regular agenda items,
Sheriff's Training Academy. Amarie,

818
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:27,719
» thank you.

819
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:37,360
» Um, this agenda item is a bet. excuse
me, a budget supplement request

820
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:43,120
for $15,200
from fund balance. Specifically, last

821
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:47,600
year in the budget, there was no request
increase. There was no request for an

822
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:53,920
increase in this line item called
Sheriff's Training Academy. Um, when we

823
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:58,080
got the bill this year, it was for
31,200,

824
01:10:56,239 --> 01:11:03,040
[laughter] excuse me, and we'd only
budgeted 16,000.

825
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:07,600
the question. Oh, in case we've got any
more questions. I see that the sheriff's

826
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:11,280
office did stick around. Thank you. Um,
the the price for this academy, they've

827
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:17,280
already given me a little brief academy
and what the academy is, but it's based

828
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:20,800
on $800 per employee that needs
certification, which would include all

829
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:25,120
their part-time employees as well as
their full-time employees. So, they've

830
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:29,120
got, I think the number was 39 employees
that need this certification. They get

831
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:36,159
all their certification through this
Hampton Roads Criminal Justice Training

832
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:40,000
Academy. So 39* 800 is where we get to
31,200.

833
01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:42,800
The company itself, the Hampton Roads
Training Academy, I actually had to do a

834
01:11:41,679 --> 01:11:46,880
little bit because one of you had asked
me about it. It has been around since

835
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:50,560
1972.
Um, and it was originally the Thomas

836
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:58,000
Nelson Academy. I think some of you may
remember that name. Um anyway, it's

837
01:11:53,920 --> 01:12:02,960
supported in part there are 30 member
agencies including Middle Sex County

838
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:08,480
from like the aisle of white sheriff's
office um epimeac cape Charles all the

839
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:12,239
police departments have to be members
because this is how they get their

840
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:14,960
certifications for their officers. Um
the only other thing I was going to add

841
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:21,360
was about their budget because I didn't
know this either. The member revenue

842
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:26,560
provides about $2.2 million. That's all
those 30 members whereas the state only

843
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:30,159
provides about 300,000. So this is all
funded by these a by participating

844
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:34,080
agencies and it's further mandatory
training for certification. I can't

845
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:40,159
explain to you why there was no budget
request increased

846
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:44,000
no budget increase requested excuse me
but I can explain that we do need the

847
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:49,520
money this year for the sheriff's
office. So at this point I'm asking for

848
01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:53,040
a appropriation of 15,200 for academy
expense.

849
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:57,040
» So what [clears throat] is the real
number?

850
01:12:55,360 --> 01:13:02,000
» The real number the real number is
31,200. That's the total cost.

851
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:07,400
» Did we know that going into this?
>> If somebody did, I didn't and they did

852
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,400
not.

853
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:16,480
» I mean it's a pretty big increase.
>> Yes, sir. It is. Um, and you can see

854
01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:23,040
what I did. Again, I I'm putting this
out there on page 51 that the price in

855
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:28,320
the prior year was $650 per person. This
year it's 800. Next year it's going up

856
01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:32,800
to $825 per person. When we were talking
about adding the new officer, the new

857
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:37,440
deputy, that person is going to be one
of those $825. It's going to cost us

858
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:41,920
$825 a year just to keep them certified.
We're required to do that. So, um I'm

859
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:46,560
guessing that part of it is now that
we're using part a lot more part-time

860
01:13:43,679 --> 01:13:51,199
employees because of the increased
activity over at the courthouse, all of

861
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:53,920
them have to have this certification.
>> That includes our dispatchers as well.

862
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:57,920
» Oh, thank you. I didn't know that
dispatchers, too.

863
01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:04,159
» Well, that was my next question, which
was 31 people or thereabouts.

864
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:10,440
Um,
what happens if somebody's not

865
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:10,440
certified?

866
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:17,000
» What's the advantage of the
certification?

867
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,000
» It keeps us

868
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:26,480
» Major Chris Easter. Is that what Major
Chris Easter?

869
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:30,000
» Do you understand the question?
>> I do, sir.

870
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:33,520
» If someone's not certified, is that
that's the question? Correct.

871
01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:36,320
» Correct. Someone's not certified then
that they're no longer allowed to be an

872
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,679
officer.
>> Really?

873
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:43,120
» Correct.
>> Huh. What's the certifi uh certification

874
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:47,120
process time frame?
>> It's uh so a lot of us go through for a

875
01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:50,640
year, right? So every year we get
certified to go through the annual

876
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:55,280
training requirements.
>> Is it like 20 hours or something a year?

877
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:59,520
» Okay.
the the previous I mean just like

878
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:05,040
sheriff Samson had said before the
previous sheriff never had upped the

879
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:08,719
budget to capture the previous years
either. So she was stating that there

880
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:15,760
were the previous years there were there
were upticks in how much the cost was

881
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:19,520
major this is this is um for
reertification is that correct? Yes.

882
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:24,560
» Okay. Uh initial certifications a
different ball game. Yes.

883
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:28,560
» Thank you.
and the uh handler certification. Is

884
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:33,440
that on site or online?
>> It's uh so our our we we do have a um we

885
01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:37,040
do have a training facility that's over
at the new building. So unfortunately

886
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:40,560
that training facility right now is not
certified by DCJS.

887
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,400
» It's not certified. So we could have the
course

888
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:46,560
» meaning that in the future there is the
ability to have the training that's here

889
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:50,880
at our our new sheriff's office.
>> So what are we doing about that?

890
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:55,120
» Well, right now the uh the jail right
now is the one that's uh helping us out.

891
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:58,080
So we we send our stuff over to the
jail. The jail approves it, goes through

892
01:15:56,719 --> 01:16:01,199
Hampton Roads Criminal Justice Training
Academy. That way some one of their

893
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:04,320
instructors has to come over to our
building and they sit there through the

894
01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:07,280
training to ensure that we have the
training that's in our building.

895
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:09,760
» So So the training uh comes to our
building.

896
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:12,400
» Yes, sir. It does, but we have to go
through the jail to do it because

897
01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:18,480
there's only one locally here in Middle
Sex County. So right now we're looking

898
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:21,920
for DCGS uh and then Mr. Coker to come
down and uh make sure that our facility

899
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:25,679
is good enough to where we can do the
training there. Also,

900
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:29,520
» some of it is online though, sir. And
that that does require uh funds as well,

901
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:32,480
but some some of it is online.
>> So, what are we doing about, you know,

902
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:35,679
so we can cut out some of these calls?
>> Yes, sir.

903
01:16:33,679 --> 01:16:39,600
» Absolutely looking at that, sir. I we
need that to happen. Um, Detective Riley

904
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:43,600
right now is the one that's dealing with
our training. Him and I discussed this

905
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:47,440
and we we need to move forward with uh
DCS and Hampton Rose coming up here to

906
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:51,679
certify our building in order to do
that.

907
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:54,719
» So, we already got that in progress.
>> Well, yes, sir. We've had those

908
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:58,400
discussions. Yes, sir. We just haven't
had it happen yet. No, sir. Because we

909
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:01,920
do have one facility that's able to do
that for us here through the jail.

910
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:06,560
They're the one they're the only one
certified mil sex. So, we have to send

911
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:09,760
our our training over there over to
them. Then they got to go to Hampton

912
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:12,880
Road Criminal Justice Training Academy
and then one of their people has to come

913
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:16,239
over from the jail to sit in the class
to make sure their classes get completed

914
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:20,080
here. That's the one that's just the one
just locally there. There are some that

915
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:24,719
requires our officers to go down to
Hampton Roads or to Richmond or to some

916
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:28,880
other some other place they need to go
to in order for them to stay current

917
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:33,280
» without a moving pause.
>> Yes, sir.

918
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:36,880
» Yeah.
Did that answer your question, sir?

919
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:40,600
» Yes, sir.
>> Thank you.

920
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:40,600
» Yes, sir.

921
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:48,239
» At this point, I'm simply What am I
asking for? Good question. Um, I'm

922
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:53,840
asking for an appropriation um to
approve the uh

923
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:58,239
budget supplement 2027-002,
please.

924
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:00,719
» I so move. [clears throat]
>> Thank you, Mr. Jesse.

925
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:04,520
» Second.
>> Second by Mr. Krennan.

926
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:10,880
» Any further discussion?
Seeing none, roll call.

927
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,080
» Mr. Jesse?
>> Yes.

928
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,400
» Yes.
>> Mr. Williams?

929
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,800
» Yes.
>> Mr. Mr. Bill Harris.

930
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,960
» Yes.
>> Mr. Kittinen.

931
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:23,920
» Yes.
>> Mr. Don Harris.

932
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:28,840
» Yes. Motion's approved.
>> Thank you.

933
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:28,840
» All righty. Um,

934
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:37,280
citizens appointments.
Amarie.

935
01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:43,120
» Sir. Today we're asking for just two.
Um, the first one is going to be for a

936
01:18:40,239 --> 01:18:48,000
reappoint of Monica Sanders um to the
wetlands board. remember she there was a

937
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:51,840
gap in her submission of the forms. She
continued to want to be a participant

938
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:57,120
but there was a gap in her form
submission. So she is now being

939
01:18:54,080 --> 01:19:03,679
reappoint is asking be reappointed and
on the um planning commission we've got

940
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:07,920
a Bev Butler again. That's a reappoint.
>> You have a what?

941
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:12,000
» Bev Butler reappoint. It's my voice.
It's not you. There was my friend said

942
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:17,360
it was a hay hay fever or something.
What's that stuff called? allergies.

943
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,239
» Okay. So, we have two that we need to
approve.

944
01:19:17,679 --> 01:19:22,880
» Yes, please.
>> And Mr. Chairman, I think and and Mr.

945
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:28,000
Ricardi, I think um Mr. Longest had
something to add

946
01:19:24,719 --> 01:19:31,120
» about the appointments if you
>> evening, afternoon.

947
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:34,719
» Uh the the appointment for Monica is a
reappointment. So, that'll establish

948
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:39,120
that we'll have four members. We do have
one alternate that is helping with the

949
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:43,760
board. So, we have our five. Uh so Mr.
Jesse, what we're waiting on is uh one

950
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:49,040
Jamaica representative uh for the
wetlands board and also a BCA member.

951
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:52,400
» I have somebody that that's going to go
online and for the BCA. I'll get

952
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:56,560
somebody from wetland.
>> Yes. Once we have that, we'll have our

953
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:59,920
five members of each of the board with
an alternate for the wetlands for

954
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:05,040
» all right. Okay.
>> But the reappoint will keep our our

955
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,040
established form we have.

956
01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:16,040
All right. Uh Wayne, you want to make
the uh the motion?

957
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:21,760
» Well, go ahead.
>> Reappointing one person.

958
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:25,960
» Yes.
>> And that it.

959
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:35,040
» So, there's two people that need to be
uh reappointed or appointed. It It's the

960
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:39,679
same end result. It's Monica Sanders to
the wetlands board and Bev Butler to the

961
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:42,400
planning commission.
>> Yes, sir. Please.

962
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,960
» All right. I'll make that motion then.
Okay.

963
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,679
» Okay.
>> Thank you, Mr. Jesse.

964
01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:50,719
» Second.
>> Thank you, Bill.

965
01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:52,960
» Roll call.
>> Mr. Williams?

966
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:55,360
» Yes.
>> Mr. Bill Harris?

967
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,520
» Yes.
>> Mr. Kittin?

968
01:20:56,480 --> 01:20:59,199
» Yes.
>> Mr. Jesse?

969
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:03,440
» Yes.
>> Mr. Don Harris?

970
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:07,679
» Yes. Motion's approved.
Item C, noise ordinance committee.

971
01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:11,120
» That's been withdrawn.
>> Pardon me.

972
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:14,960
» That has been withdrawn. So, um, that
particular individual changed their

973
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:18,719
mind.
>> So, if we're on to item D at your

974
01:21:16,719 --> 01:21:23,199
convenience.
>> Okay.

975
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:30,239
Seaman's contract.
>> That's me. Um today I'm bringing forth

976
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:34,719
to you the annual contract to provide um
HVAC maintenance, preventative

977
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:40,000
maintenance over at the new courthouse
um located at 73 B um Bowden Street.

978
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:44,080
We're using rather than bidding this
stuff out, we do use, as you know, we

979
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:49,520
often use um cooperative purchasing
agreements. In this case, we're using

980
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:54,719
Sourcewell. Um, we included a sample
contract and this has been reviewed and

981
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:58,800
approved except for one minor change by
the county attorney which is related to

982
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:02,080
the location of
>> uh just a venue clause

983
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:06,560
» venue location. Thank you.
>> Um, we did evaluate three qualified

984
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:10,159
service providers and we've um, one of
them is our current provider Johnson

985
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:15,600
Controls. Um, the other one was called
Southern Air and the final one was of

986
01:22:12,239 --> 01:22:19,040
course Seammens. Um they all were very
well under they understood the equipment

987
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:22,880
very well but overall seammens
demonstrated the greatest understanding.

988
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:29,760
They provide us a very competitive
quote. Um we gave notice we we were

989
01:22:27,679 --> 01:22:34,480
dealing with Johnson Controls JCI. We
gave them the required day notice 90-day

990
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:37,840
notice. They are fully aware they're
cycling out. They've also been I will

991
01:22:36,639 --> 01:22:42,639
give them credit. They're extremely
cooperative with us even though they

992
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:46,719
know their um contract expires. They're
continuing to support us. Um, but at

993
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:50,159
this time, the staff recommends awarding
a one-year mechanical and automation

994
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:56,000
service agreements to Seammens in the
amount of $84,000. And that's for the

995
01:22:52,480 --> 01:23:01,120
period of August 1st. Exc
That's not I lied. It's going to be

996
01:22:59,199 --> 01:23:07,120
because we already passed August 1st. I
wrote this earlier. September 1st

997
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:11,760
through August 30, 192
1927, 2027.

998
01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:18,040
So, we're going to start this September
1st and we definitely recommend

999
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:18,040
approving this to Seammens

1000
01:23:18,639 --> 01:23:25,920
» questions.
>> If it's the board's desire to approve

1001
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:30,800
this, I would ask that the motion be to
um to authorize the county administrator

1002
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:34,880
to execute the seaman's contracts with
any uh revisions or recommendations of

1003
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:38,360
the county attorney to the contract
language, please.

1004
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:45,239
Yep. Okay. Need a motion.

1005
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:52,199
» So move.
>> Thank you.

1006
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:52,199
» So moved by Mr. Kittin. Second.

1007
01:23:52,800 --> 01:24:01,320
» I'll second it.
>> Second by Mr. Jesse.

1008
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,320
Further discussion.

1009
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:07,360
Seeing none, roll call.
>> Mr. Bill Harris.

1010
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:09,840
» Yes.
>> Mr. Mr. Curtin.

1011
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,760
» Yes.
>> Mr. Jesse.

1012
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:14,000
» Yes.
>> Mr. Williams.

1013
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:18,320
» Yes.
>> Mr. Don Harris.

1014
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:21,199
» Yes. Motion's approved.
>> Thank you very much. Oh, and I did I

1015
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:24,080
think I I wrote this in there, but I
want to make sure you know that funding

1016
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:28,560
in this agreement is included in the
current year budget. So, this is a

1017
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:35,440
typical budgeted item. So, thank you.
>> Item six, administrative updates.

1018
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:41,159
Cigarette tax report only, staff report
only.

1019
01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:41,159
Um,

1020
01:24:48,719 --> 01:24:53,719
unfinished and new business. Unfinished
business.

1021
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:06,120
Unfinished business. Constitutional
office officers and county 3.5 raise

1022
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:06,120
discussion.

1023
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:15,440
Thank you. Um, this item was discussed
at the last board meeting with direction

1024
01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:20,480
to bring it back to this meeting. Um, as
you recall it when the general assembly

1025
01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:25,600
passed their budget instead of using the
2% annual increase which we all included

1026
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:29,760
in our budget, they actually amended it
and they gave everybody a three and a

1027
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:37,800
half percent increase. So the comp board
raises are going up three and a half

1028
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:37,800
percent. Um although the the um

1029
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:45,520
although the comp board
gave it to them or is going to give it

1030
01:25:42,239 --> 01:25:49,440
to them, you don't have to. You can't.
Last time we all agreed that it would be

1031
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:54,480
a great idea to do it.
We all that would be the

1032
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:57,360
count board employees, all the the
treasurers, the elected officials all

1033
01:25:55,840 --> 01:26:00,960
agreed that this would be great. They
gave you all a letter suggesting that it

1034
01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:05,199
was great. Um, and you all said you
didn't have enough time to look at that

1035
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:08,320
those letters. Um, but at this time we
would like for you to consider whether

1036
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:12,800
you want to increase the annual raise.
That's this year's raise gets built

1037
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:16,000
permanently into their budget um into
their salaries. Either increase the

1038
01:26:14,719 --> 01:26:21,199
annual raise from two and a half to
three and three and a half% for compport

1039
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:28,639
employees for all employees or do
nothing and the raise remains at 2%. Um,

1040
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:34,400
as a recall, the extra cost would cost
about $72,000 more if you chose to do

1041
01:26:32,159 --> 01:26:39,280
this for all employees. The total cost
was about $99,000, but that part of

1042
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:43,679
that's going to be offset by the state's
um comp board supplements. So

1043
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:49,760
the question is if you want to
appropriate $72,000 to be funded and

1044
01:26:46,639 --> 01:26:55,800
increase the raise effective August 1st
for from 2 and a half to three and a

1045
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:55,800
half% for all eligible county employees

1046
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:00,040
» discussion.

1047
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:17,760
So unless a motion's made it's going to
be 3

1048
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,199
» 2.0
>> 2.0

1049
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,520
» right
>> and we have already given just

1050
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:24,880
» a second
>> right you have given the 2.0 No.

1051
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:28,600
Effective July 1st. That's our
everybody's already

1052
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:28,600
» constitutionals.

1053
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:38,400
» No, theirs will only go up if the county
if the comp board when the compport

1054
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:41,440
increases. Yes, theirs will go up.
>> Yeah, that's good.

1055
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:44,800
» Yes.
>> Whether we have a motion here,

1056
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:46,320
» right? Yeah. The compport has to be
adjusted. So,

1057
01:27:46,260 --> 01:27:50,000
» [clears throat]
>> um, so let's say right now you're paying

1058
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:53,840
somebody $40,000. The comp board says
no, you're paying them 41,000. you're

1059
01:27:52,239 --> 01:27:56,639
paying them 41,000. Okay.
>> So that whether you do anything or not

1060
01:27:55,920 --> 01:28:01,760
that will
>> and you had cost it was like a total of

1061
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:06,320
90,000 was some cost of middle sex 70
>> right that's right 99,000 more and

1062
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:10,560
27,000 is going to be reimbured from the
count board requiring about $72,000 to

1063
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:16,639
be appropriated from the county.
>> So they make a mandate for 20,000 and

1064
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:22,719
then look at us to come up with 70.
>> Right. Well they I don't think they see

1065
01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:22,719
it that way but yes you are right.

1066
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:34,159
I just say I don't like this process at
all. I value the employees. We have to

1067
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:38,800
have them. I think we good at have good
employees and we're very fortunate for

1068
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:43,040
that. And I also believe that we we
demonstrate that. I know that the board

1069
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:46,880
didn't discuss any kind of health
insurance increase or anything. It was

1070
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:50,960
$100,000 I believe roughly more this
year. I think the fact that we just went

1071
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:53,760
home and yes, we value the employees.
Like I said, we didn't discuss it. We

1072
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:57,679
knew we needed to do that for the
employees.

1073
01:28:55,520 --> 01:29:01,760
I don't like this thing of dangling
carrot out in front of the employees. I

1074
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:05,600
think it's disgraceful. We're going to
get a raise, not going to get a raise.

1075
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:10,800
The bonus, not get a bonus. We need to
do a better job of getting our budget,

1076
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:15,360
sticking to our budget, and that's where
we are. The state brings and moves

1077
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:19,840
things back and forth and everything. We
need to do a better job of how we need

1078
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:24,719
to look at our employees. We need to
compensate them. We need to attract and

1079
01:29:22,239 --> 01:29:28,800
retain. And we have a new county
administrator. If we need to go in and

1080
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:33,360
look at positions, so forth and so on,
then that's what we need to do. But this

1081
01:29:31,199 --> 01:29:36,719
thing of the state constantly asking us
to change back and forth, they're going

1082
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:40,719
to throw in 16,000. We need to throw in
70 some. I don't like the process. I

1083
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:45,679
don't think we're treating the employees
fairly by doing it in this manner.

1084
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:51,719
There's 70ome thousand. What is that?

1085
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:58,719
Is that just raise or insuranceances and
everything that adds up?

1086
01:29:55,840 --> 01:30:01,280
» Right. No, that's um So, the only thing
this would cost, excuse me, the only

1087
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,120
thing this would cost would be salaries
plus payroll taxes. So, yes, that's the

1088
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:09,920
increased the total increased cost.
>> The state is telling us to give three

1089
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:14,719
and a half% that actually is going to
cost us $70,000.

1090
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:16,719
» 72,000 if you chose. That's and that's
insuranceances and benefits and all of

1091
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:19,600
that.
>> It's well there's no other insurance

1092
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:23,199
involved in that. The only thing that's
involved in the 72,000 is going to be

1093
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:25,600
the increase in salary plus the payroll
taxes. That's all this cost. Payroll

1094
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:29,920
taxes
>> salaries increases and VRS is increasing

1095
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:32,880
» not for right. Oh, I'm sorry. And VRS.
You're right. VRS and I did include all

1096
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,800
that. Sorry, I've got it in the bank.
>> Is that in the 70 zone?

1097
01:30:34,239 --> 01:30:38,880
» It is.
>> And that's all employees.

1098
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:42,239
» We're also contemplating, if I'm not
mistaken, we have a an ordinance that

1099
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:48,000
we're going to be talking about later.
It's a 2% employee raise as well.

1100
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:50,639
» It's employee bonus. That's a bonus,
>> right? A bonus. One time bonus,

1101
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:55,600
» right?
>> Like I said, I I I personally am I know

1102
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:59,199
that this is
this wasn't pretty. There was nothing

1103
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:06,080
pretty about presenting this to you all,
but we also didn't have a choice. Um if

1104
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:09,440
the if the if we didn't, we wouldn't
that wouldn't have been fair to

1105
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:12,719
everybody either. So, we we recognize
that you don't want if you don't want to

1106
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:17,040
do this or you don't the timing isn't
right, the budget isn't right, that's

1107
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:20,000
going to move on, but we at least had to
discuss it and I think you all are

1108
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:24,320
discussing it. So, that's exactly what
we needed from you. Um whether you want

1109
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:27,840
to go on with a increasing the annual
raise from 2% to three and a half%.

1110
01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:31,440
That's
it sounds like that's the only

1111
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:35,280
discussion for this moment. But to that
end, you are right. At the last board

1112
01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:40,320
meeting, we have you you the board
approved a the advertising of an

1113
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:45,840
ordinance to allow for a 2% bonus. And
that's going to be discussed after um 7

1114
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:49,600
p.m.
And that's related to last year.

1115
01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:53,520
» So right now we're talking about the
three and a half% for everybody.

1116
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:56,719
» Yep.
>> All employees.

1117
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,840
» Well, not the schools. They already got
it.

1118
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:02,480
» No, I ain't talking about school. I
ain't talking nothing schools. Well, and

1119
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:07,120
there's a couple people that are exempt
from getting a more raise. Yeah, Matt.

1120
01:32:06,298 --> 01:32:12,400
[laughter]
>> Special Matt.

1121
01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:18,239
And and later we're going to be talking
about a two bonus

1122
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:25,600
» and we got to approve that, too. So, one
of them is a bonus is flat money. And

1123
01:32:22,159 --> 01:32:31,199
this one here is a 3 and 12% to give all
employees or everybody a five I mean a 3

1124
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:37,360
and 12% raise.
And this is not what the state is doing.

1125
01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:42,960
This is what we are doing because all
employees is not comp employees. So the

1126
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:47,760
figure that we talking about is less
than $71,000.

1127
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:52,159
the 71 comes out because we want to give
everybody else that are not comp

1128
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:55,760
employees
>> correct

1129
01:32:52,560 --> 01:33:00,159
» the extra money
>> right and just to because I know there

1130
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:05,440
was some confusion about it with at
least one one person had asked me about

1131
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:10,880
this would be one and a half% above and
beyond the 2% that the board uh

1132
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:15,360
allocated in the budget not three and a
half% on top of the 2% I just want to

1133
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:15,360
make that

1134
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:26,760
Okay,
>> on to the next.

1135
01:33:27,679 --> 01:33:32,360
» All right,
>> I

1136
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:42,080
guess you need what you need.
>> We're going to just bypass it.

1137
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:45,920
» There's not a motion to to vote on.
>> Yep.

1138
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:47,520
So, on to the next.
Is

1139
01:33:46,239 --> 01:33:51,920
» wait a minute now. You need a motion to
give everybody three and a half%.

1140
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:53,520
» That's what you need.
>> Well,

1141
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:57,040
» change it from two to three.
>> Change it to to three and a half%. That

1142
01:33:56,239 --> 01:34:02,159
what you need.
>> Well, I mean, as an employee, the answer

1143
01:33:59,679 --> 01:34:08,239
is yes. But as your legal counsel, I'll
say it a different way. Um,

1144
01:34:05,440 --> 01:34:14,239
you have options here. Okay. So if the
board chooses to do nothing, the

1145
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:19,120
constitutional officers like some that
you've had present tonight, Commonwealth

1146
01:34:16,639 --> 01:34:24,800
attorney, sheriff, treasurer, clerk,
commissioner revenue, they will get a 3

1147
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:30,159
and 12% cost of living increase from the
state. Okay.

1148
01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:34,400
if you do nothing.
What administration is asking is and and

1149
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:38,719
I think what they're they're
recommending they're saying they have

1150
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:42,880
the money to give all of your employees,
not just the constitutional officers.

1151
01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:49,040
So, think of planning and zoning. Think
of administration. Think of myself. Uh

1152
01:34:46,239 --> 01:34:52,000
and we would get the same cost of living
increase.

1153
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:54,159
» Okay. That that requires a motion
>> and that's what's causing the extra

1154
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:59,920
70,000.
>> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yeah.

1155
01:34:56,719 --> 01:35:02,880
» So, Amarie wrote a very a very good memo
here pointing out to you kind of your

1156
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:05,760
options,
>> but it never can be simple, gentlemen.

1157
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:07,600
It's always complicated when we get the
state involved.

1158
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:11,120
» Well, for for everybody, I'm going to
make a motion everybody get three and a

1159
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:15,639
half%.
>> Has one of those everybody's. Thanks,

1160
01:35:12,639 --> 01:35:15,639
Reggie.

1161
01:35:16,639 --> 01:35:22,200
» You got a motion on the floor?
>> I'll second it.

1162
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,200
» Okay. [clears throat]

1163
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:27,400
Further discussion,

1164
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:38,000
» Mr. Curtin,
>> is wait a minute.

1165
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:45,159
» Is is is uh what Reggie was asking
is that

1166
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:45,159
because I thought it was one point.

1167
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:53,840
» So, well, Mr. Williams, if if you're
okay, let's add clarification to the

1168
01:35:49,679 --> 01:36:00,320
motion. Mr. Williams motion is to
increase the cola from 2% to 3 and a.5%

1169
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:03,120
for all county employees.
>> Mr. Cardier, would that be correct?

1170
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:07,120
» Correct. And make sure that that's only
effective August 1st.

1171
01:36:04,639 --> 01:36:10,400
» Effective August 1st.
>> Mr. Williams, are you okay with that

1172
01:36:08,639 --> 01:36:16,480
clarification to your memo or your
motion? Excuse me.

1173
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:20,800
» I know. Uh, so the clarification is that
this would be a motion to increase the

1174
01:36:18,639 --> 01:36:27,040
cola for county employees, all county
employees, starting August 1st from 2%

1175
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:31,120
to 3 and a.5%. So it's a 1 and a.5%
increase. I just we just want to make

1176
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:34,239
sure that's very clear.
>> More than three and a half.

1177
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:37,120
» Yes, sir. That is correct.
>> I just

1178
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:40,000
wonder.
>> All right. So Mr. Williams has said that

1179
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:45,840
he is in agreement with that because his
mic wasn't on. All right. Roll.

1180
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:49,600
» Roll call now.
>> Mr. Kittinden.

1181
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:52,320
» No.
>> Mr. Jesse?

1182
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:54,800
» Yes.
>> Mr. Williams?

1183
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:58,320
» Yes.
>> Mr. Bill Harris?

1184
01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:04,520
» No.
>> Mr. Don Harris?

1185
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:04,520
» No. Motions failed.

1186
01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:16,760
» All right. New business and matters
presented by the board.

1187
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:16,760
Start with you Wayne.

1188
01:37:17,119 --> 01:37:27,040
» Um I did attend the uh middle pen
planning district uh meeting. Um we are

1189
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:32,800
getting things straight I would say. Um
cuz we hired a um

1190
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:35,520
who did we we hired the um
>> Berkeley Group.

1191
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:40,719
» Berkeley Group. Berkeley Group for part-
time to run this to help run it until we

1192
01:37:38,639 --> 01:37:42,400
get a full-time executive director.
Right now,

1193
01:37:41,199 --> 01:37:46,880
» they need a CFO as well.
>> Yeah. And [laughter] yeah, they need we

1194
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:51,920
need a CFO. So, uh we're we're heading
in the right direction. John McGrder is

1195
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:58,320
now the chairman uh of the commission at
this time. And uh that was it for me on

1196
01:37:55,360 --> 01:38:02,159
my meetings. Um
I will meet with the B Festival Thursday

1197
01:38:00,719 --> 01:38:05,520
coming up. So,
>> but that's it for me.

1198
01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:15,360
I um on July 22nd uh Mr. Gentry and I
had a teleconference with a

1199
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:21,040
representative from Polymorphic which is
an AI company specializing in programs

1200
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:28,159
for local governments. Uh it was an
interesting presentation. Uh AI is here

1201
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:32,000
to stay and um and it he some of the
things he explained were were kind of

1202
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:34,800
interesting. um help us deliver better,
more efficient service to our

1203
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:38,960
constituents.
Uh one of the things that I know they

1204
01:38:37,119 --> 01:38:44,080
mentioned was it could help with foyer
requests. Uh because I know that some of

1205
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:49,280
our employees do a lot of work on foyas.
Um and I do believe it deserves some

1206
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:53,760
further consideration.
Um

1207
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:59,440
on all the same day on the 22nd I went
to we we had our joint uh school board

1208
01:38:56,480 --> 01:39:04,080
meeting reference to renovations. On the
24th at Juvenile Detention Commission

1209
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:08,880
meeting
and um finally a couple of weeks ago I

1210
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:12,800
sent a memo to my fellow board members
recommending that we explore the

1211
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:18,719
possibility of creating a harbor master
position for our county. And um so I've

1212
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:22,080
asked all of you to review that to make
sure that you've you've seen it and I'd

1213
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:25,520
like to put it on the agenda for an
upcoming board meeting because I think

1214
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:30,480
it's something that would be worthwhile
and it could be very beneficial not only

1215
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:37,040
to our business community and our our
our uh our marinas and and our maritime

1216
01:39:34,239 --> 01:39:40,719
industry but also uh can help us I think
uh tax- wise, revenue wise. So that's

1217
01:39:40,159 --> 01:39:46,080
it.
>> Thank you Mr. Krenn. Mr. Harris. No, I

1218
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:49,480
have nothing at this time. Thank you,
>> Mr. Williams.

1219
01:39:52,009 --> 01:39:55,760
[laughter]
I got I got to laugh a little bit

1220
01:39:54,320 --> 01:40:00,000
because I'mma think about Wayne cuz we
went to the middle peninsula uh meeting

1221
01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:04,320
which you got a whole lot of work to do
when it start to we talking about

1222
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:07,840
handling the money. See, it's a big
problem when money get way out of hand

1223
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:11,600
and we don't handle it. And that's why I
always say that we got to do a better

1224
01:40:09,440 --> 01:40:16,080
job of how we moving and how we doing
money, you know. Um, and the second

1225
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:20,800
thing, we was on the renovation
committee. Don, you Don left it in my

1226
01:40:18,159 --> 01:40:24,880
hand. Don didn't show up me and give me
a call. I said, "Oh, they want me." I

1227
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:29,280
said, "They don't want me to leave the
thing. They don't want me to do it." So,

1228
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:34,880
uh, I thought it was a real good
meeting. And I noticed in our minutes

1229
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:40,159
that in section B,
uh, it seems like, uh, the schools wrote

1230
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:45,119
the, uh, section B. He was talking about
what went on at the uh renovation uh

1231
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:50,880
committee and an interesting term
because you know it's not a mystery that

1232
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:55,440
uh the schools want to move the uh
eighth grade

1233
01:40:52,960 --> 01:41:01,760
to the high school and build a new well
a new building and interestingly writing

1234
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:06,560
they call eighth grade academy. Now we
better be very careful when we start

1235
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:10,239
saying academy
because we are saying something that we

1236
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:16,239
don't know that in our minutes and it
said 8th grade academy and at the same

1237
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:21,040
meeting I also asked for them to do a
breakdown for the supervisors how much

1238
01:41:18,719 --> 01:41:27,679
the gymnasium cost how much the
auditorium cost and how much the uh uh

1239
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:32,639
the uh the rendition cost. I'm still
waiting for it. Nobody gave me a price,

1240
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:35,840
but they gave me a lot of excuses. So,
what are you saying, Reggie? This is

1241
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:40,080
what I'm saying. They gave us a price
that they confirmed at basically $63

1242
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:44,400
million.
And I told him in the uh meeting, I

1243
01:41:42,719 --> 01:41:49,360
said, "Well,
I showed you a price of $57 million at

1244
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:57,119
the one up at Montles High School, brand
new with everything in it." And see, I

1245
01:41:52,000 --> 01:42:01,600
was approached that Mr. Williams,
he want to build new and it cost more

1246
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:07,600
money. Cuz I can tell you right now,
according to the numbers, the numbers do

1247
01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:12,320
not say that. And the numbers don't say
it because we have seen it. Some that

1248
01:42:09,199 --> 01:42:17,440
was on the uh Zoom meeting or with the
contractor and they know about it from

1249
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:21,600
the head, the chairman didn't know about
it. But yet in our minutes, I seen

1250
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:26,320
somewhere say 62. And I don't appreciate
the factor of saying you didn't say

1251
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:30,320
anything but what I said because if we
if we let information get out not that

1252
01:42:28,159 --> 01:42:34,719
we need to change our things because if
we know now we are startup kind of like

1253
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:39,520
getting the system together that's why I
always say system together because the

1254
01:42:37,199 --> 01:42:45,119
ones that own this on the board when we
started out and I haven't looked at the

1255
01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:51,600
minutes yet and I know the board said
that we want you to look at the system

1256
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:55,520
we only well Somebody only look at a
renovation. But this where we at right

1257
01:42:53,920 --> 01:43:02,159
now.
All right. Moving the eighth grade to

1258
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:05,440
the high school. We creating more room
for at the elementary school. I've been

1259
01:43:04,159 --> 01:43:11,440
saying that for three or four years.
Where your problem? Solve your problem

1260
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:16,000
at because it's cheaper to build at the
elementary level than it is at the high

1261
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:19,600
school. And I'm not saying not to
renovate the high school. All I'm asking

1262
01:43:17,679 --> 01:43:22,880
you is don't wait and run the numbers.
But then the craziest thing that none of

1263
01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:27,360
us thought about, you put the fifth
grade in the middle school. Now you do

1264
01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:30,880
have a scenario because none of us
really thought about that. And like I

1265
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:34,719
said before, I think about this thing a
lot and I've been thinking about it a

1266
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:38,639
whole lot. And when you start up, so
Reggie, he talk all the time. Yes, I do

1267
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:43,440
cuz I think a lot. People that think a
lot talk a lot. [laughter]

1268
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:46,719
Anyway, this is and this is what I'm
saying.

1269
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:50,400
» I tell I said, "Hey, I'm not going to
solve the problem for you. Some say you

1270
01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:54,639
ought to be on the school board or
something. No, I was sitting in the

1271
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:58,639
meeting right at this platform and one
of the gentlemen on the school board

1272
01:43:56,080 --> 01:44:02,800
when they say they voted unanimously.
So, I ain't see the blue I ain't see the

1273
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:05,679
blueprints. I don't want to be there.
So, if you don't see something that

1274
01:44:04,239 --> 01:44:10,320
actually happened, how can you approve
something unanimously?

1275
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:14,400
You can't do it. But I I I said that I I
I really didn't like when I went through

1276
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:19,119
it. I didn't like the idea. I saw
academy and I didn't like because I said

1277
01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:23,360
well I appreciate mama use a different
word that if you gave the supervisor hey

1278
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:27,360
what it cost to uh build a gymnasium
because you know uh do we have to do a

1279
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:30,960
auditorium right now I think about what
Don said can we do it in parts can we do

1280
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:36,320
something and wait we don't need
gymnasium now for the uh middle school

1281
01:44:33,199 --> 01:44:41,440
how much money is that then we still can
renovate the high school 9 through 12

1282
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:45,920
and get the wow factor but the only
thing about that is they told They going

1283
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:49,360
to do skin so it don't have to look like
the picture that we put on the front

1284
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:52,960
page of the Sentinel.
Okay. So it don't have to look like

1285
01:44:51,119 --> 01:44:58,560
that. So I'm sitting there still
thinking about it and man I I I just

1286
01:44:55,840 --> 01:45:04,320
said we going to work this thing out
because nobody I don't feel right now

1287
01:45:01,440 --> 01:45:08,560
that that we all think as much about
Milics as we think we do. And I've said

1288
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:12,239
the thing that this board think about
the kids of Mils County. Let me give you

1289
01:45:10,480 --> 01:45:16,080
example of that. We talking about the
school system. and they'll tell us,

1290
01:45:13,199 --> 01:45:21,600
"Yeah, yes, I'm saying it.
We want to move every child in the

1291
01:45:18,239 --> 01:45:27,040
school system. We going to put them in a
trailer or whatever we need to move to

1292
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:32,080
do a renovation and every child is going
to be affected in the system because

1293
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:36,320
you're moving everybody. So, if you sit
there and tell me they're not going to

1294
01:45:33,679 --> 01:45:38,800
be affected, you can move. Are you going
to move eighth grade? Do you love your

1295
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:41,440
kids? Oh, we going to put them in a
trailer bill." All right. You going to

1296
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:46,639
move the other ones? Then you going to
do the elementary kids when they got

1297
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:50,000
good uh scenario that they can handle it
because back if you're talking to one of

1298
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:54,560
your teacher said what you want one do
for the uh for for the you know for the

1299
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:58,960
for the little kids they can draw out
the teachers and principal teachers in

1300
01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:02,080
principle said this how I want the run
would look for three and four years old.

1301
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:06,639
Now we turn them down and send
everywhere else. So our growth is not on

1302
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:10,960
the top but our growth is in the system
and we wonder are we getting money for

1303
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:13,520
these younger kids. Nobody told us are
we getting any money for the younger

1304
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:16,560
kids three and four years old. How much
we get? Oh yeah. They go three years

1305
01:46:15,440 --> 01:46:22,000
old. They ride the bus. They're three
years old getting Yeah. So So this is

1306
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:27,199
what I'm saying. And I'm I'm some of us
saying we went too far to change what

1307
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:30,480
we're doing. Now y'all heard me a number
of time. When you get in the fix

1308
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:34,639
sometime you got to run back the other
way cuz it might be quick saying that

1309
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:41,840
you going other side. All right. So this
is what I'm saying. They say we went too

1310
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:47,199
far. They I mean they went too far to do
something different now because they

1311
01:46:43,679 --> 01:46:50,880
made in investment of what they got and
I'm just using this as example. Well,

1312
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:55,040
let me tell you something. All the
engineering and all the stuff that we

1313
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:58,800
talking about that they have to do now,
the other guy got it all done because

1314
01:46:56,800 --> 01:47:02,960
remember we was doing a kind of like a
horseshoe from the other one like we did

1315
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:06,960
the elementary school when we got the
blueprints and stuff from over there at

1316
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:13,199
Lancaster and built that school. That's
how you save money. But if I I focus on

1317
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:17,840
any one thing, then I lose my thought of
everything. So when you some might hear,

1318
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:23,280
well, you know, no, we ain't going too
far. If we going to spend a plus or

1319
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:27,600
minus on the $30,000, $30 million I was
talking about. And we see it in our

1320
01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:33,520
things that we really said $30 million.
Well, they say engineer going get get

1321
01:47:30,639 --> 01:47:37,199
about 8%. And we didn't use the plus or
minus because you do the math on the

1322
01:47:35,040 --> 01:47:43,760
plus or minus that's anywhere from 0ero
to 8%. So that's 23% right there.

1323
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:48,480
Where's the cost? All I'm asking for is
show me the numbers and and we had a lot

1324
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:55,199
of things today. we work together as a
team then it won't cost as much because

1325
01:47:50,880 --> 01:48:00,400
now in the workplace now we have less
people working yet everybody's want more

1326
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:06,800
because we don't want to change from
what we used to do and we got we got AI

1327
01:48:05,199 --> 01:48:12,480
we put I'm going to say this I'm going
close down and talk long enough we got

1328
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:18,400
AI and when we got AI I dare you put AI
and tell you how to work your workforce

1329
01:48:14,639 --> 01:48:18,400
I dare you to put it I can tell you

1330
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:24,560
around here.
>> Mr. [clears throat] Chair,

1331
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:29,520
» Mr. Chair, I have one more thing. Uh,
Vanifile Department, we're having the

1332
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:35,199
crab and shrimp fest. Uh, August the
22nd is all the crabs and and shrimp you

1333
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:40,880
can eat. Uh, we have two sessions. One
starts from 3:00 to 5:00 and then we

1334
01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:43,440
have another session from 6 to 8. So, I
just like to pronounce that. Huh?

1335
01:48:42,639 --> 01:48:44,719
» Steamed crabs.
>> Huh?

1336
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:47,199
» Steamed crabs.
>> Yeah, steamed crabs. and and steamed

1337
01:48:46,639 --> 01:48:49,760
shrimp.
>> Okay.

1338
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:53,920
» Uh $45.
>> Uh no, it's $45, but if you if you don't

1339
01:48:52,239 --> 01:48:58,679
get a ticket from me, it going to be $60
at the door. So, I'm going [laughter] to

1340
01:48:55,119 --> 01:48:58,679
let you know that.

1341
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:08,800
» Okay. Um I'd like to open the public
hearing.

1342
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:12,520
» Public comment period. Excuse me.
>> Comment.

1343
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:12,520
» Sorry.

1344
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:16,480
Come on down, Miss Moore. Don't you have
um the back to school event? When is

1345
01:49:16,239 --> 01:49:17,760
that?
>> Yes, ma'am.

1346
01:49:17,199 --> 01:49:19,600
» Okay. Sorry.
>> That'll be at the end of PSA

1347
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:23,280
announcements.
>> Okay.

1348
01:49:20,719 --> 01:49:27,920
» Um I had no intentions on talking today,
but

1349
01:49:25,119 --> 01:49:32,719
um yes, our Commonwealth attorney was a
little out of line, but you know, I'm

1350
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:37,520
sitting here listening to you all. You
voted down the cola rays for the

1351
01:49:35,679 --> 01:49:41,520
employees.
We gave the sheriff's office a position

1352
01:49:39,440 --> 01:49:46,320
last year. We just gave them another
position just now.

1353
01:49:44,239 --> 01:49:50,400
If they're increasing, you got to
understand the Commonwealth attorney's

1354
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:56,560
got to increase. And I'm not I'm not in
total agreeance with all of it. We're

1355
01:49:53,280 --> 01:50:01,360
we're getting we're as the previous
sheriff stated, as soon as we move into

1356
01:49:59,199 --> 01:50:06,960
the building, we'll be accredited. We're
not accredited. I have an issue having

1357
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:10,880
an issue with the body cameras. I feel
that we ended the committee too soon. We

1358
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:16,000
should have pushed harder for the
information that we were looking for

1359
01:50:12,639 --> 01:50:23,119
because this has become a flub is the
nicest way to say it. Now

1360
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:27,520
there are internal people getting
promotions.

1361
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:31,760
So the money is changing anyway. There
are people taking home cars that don't

1362
01:50:29,199 --> 01:50:39,520
need to be taking home cars.
We are expending a lot of money where we

1363
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:44,639
don't need to. the bags. I had the honor
to go over to Lancaster Courthouse to

1364
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:49,840
assist somebody and they used the bags.
They had one gentleman sitting at the

1365
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:53,600
door. One, you go in, you have your
smartwatch, you have your cell phone,

1366
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:57,119
you have whatever because, you know, the
attorneys do not have to put their stuff

1367
01:50:55,280 --> 01:51:01,840
in a bag.
So, my girlfriend dropped her smartwatch

1368
01:50:59,440 --> 01:51:06,400
in the bag. We went into the courtroom.
When we were done, on the way out the

1369
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:10,560
door, they have this little thing on the
wall. Just like if you go to Target and

1370
01:51:08,719 --> 01:51:15,920
the girl takes your thing and hits it on
the counter and it opens.

1371
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:20,480
Same thing. You tap it on the wall, it
opens, you take your phone out, and they

1372
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:24,320
drop it in the bucket. You don't want to
leave with your stuff in the bag cuz you

1373
01:51:22,159 --> 01:51:29,360
can't get it open.
No additional

1374
01:51:26,239 --> 01:51:34,800
employees were needed at that point. So,
I as Mr. Mr. Williams likes to say they

1375
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:41,599
went over to Lancaster. Please go to
Lancaster courthouse and take a tour

1376
01:51:38,239 --> 01:51:45,040
because it was smooth as can be and
there were a lot of people in the

1377
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:48,800
courtroom and we were sitting there for
three hours.

1378
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:54,239
So, it did not take them no more
employees to handle this issue. I wish

1379
01:51:51,360 --> 01:52:00,400
you all would start looking
and and not just

1380
01:51:57,599 --> 01:52:04,639
jumping because we just hired another
person.

1381
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:09,840
But if the sheriff office needs another
person, so they've gotten two,

1382
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:14,400
you have to think something's got to
happen at the Commonwealth attorney's

1383
01:52:11,199 --> 01:52:18,719
office. And in the past we or the
previous and I want to say I think it

1384
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:22,719
would might have been you Don had talked
to the previous Commonwealth attorney I

1385
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:28,159
mean county administrator and the
sheriff the previous sheriff to contact

1386
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:32,719
the people that own the camp out of
state because if we're spending that

1387
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:37,840
kind of money we're not bringing that
kind of money back. I live by the camp.

1388
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:40,960
I see what comes in and out of there.
We're not bringing that kind of money

1389
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:46,000
back
into our economy. So, if we're spending

1390
01:52:43,599 --> 01:52:48,880
the money, the camp needs to do
something for us in return because

1391
01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:53,480
they're a nuisance as far as I'm
concerned. Thank you.

1392
01:52:54,320 --> 01:53:02,159
» Oh, I was looking at the thing. My PSA
announcement. Um, we have the back to

1393
01:52:59,679 --> 01:53:05,679
school bash on Saturday. All the
children of the community are involved.

1394
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:11,920
They're all permitted to come to Camp
Pianka Tank from 11 to 3. Um they get to

1395
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:18,480
use the pool. They get their school
supplies. We have whole rooms set up. It

1396
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:25,840
is a big event um including children and
parents. We were at just shy of 300 last

1397
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:29,920
year. It has increased every year. I
really hope that you all would come out

1398
01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:33,199
and see that. And just so you know, if
you're not on Facebook, because we don't

1399
01:53:31,599 --> 01:53:38,159
know how to get the information out any
other way, August 12th at St. Clair

1400
01:53:35,679 --> 01:53:44,800
Walker Middle School will be a community
forum

1401
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:50,840
from 5:30 to 8:30. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1402
01:53:46,719 --> 01:53:50,840
Anyone else like to speak?

1403
01:53:51,119 --> 01:53:59,239
Seeing none, I'll close the public
comment.

1404
01:53:56,239 --> 01:53:59,239
And

1405
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:06,080
» do you want to take a brief recess
before you go into close session

1406
01:54:04,639 --> 01:54:09,080
or you want to go ahead into close
session?

1407
01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:14,880
» Let's just go on into close session, I
think.

1408
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:18,239
» Okay. All right. Mr. Chairman, it would
be appropriate at this time for the

1409
01:54:16,480 --> 01:54:23,280
board to make a motion to convene in
close session. It's a long one, so give

1410
01:54:20,239 --> 01:54:28,880
me a moment. Pursuant to Virginia Code
section 2.2-3711

1411
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:33,280
A7 and A8. This is so the board may
consult with legal counsel regarding

1412
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:36,960
it's no longer probable. It's the actual
litigation uh filed by the commonwealth

1413
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:41,840
attorney against the board of
supervisors regarding funding of staff

1414
01:54:39,679 --> 01:54:46,880
and regarding the zoning litigation that
has been filed by Katrrol

1415
01:54:45,199 --> 01:54:51,760
versus the board of supervisors in
Middle Sex County Circuit Court and so

1416
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:56,880
that you may discuss the specific legal
process and questions with your legal

1417
01:54:53,679 --> 01:55:03,599
counsel and also so pursuant to Virginia
code section 2.2-3711 2-3711

1418
01:55:00,159 --> 01:55:08,639
A3 and A8. So the board may discuss and
consider the acquisition of real

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property for a public purpose and
discuss the disposition of publicly held

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property where a discussion in an open
meeting would adversely affect the

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bargaining position of the public body
and so that you may consult with legal

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counsel about the specific legal process
involving buying the property and

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selling it and related questions.
>> So move [clears throat] Second.

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» So moved by Mr. Jesse, second by Mr.
Kitten.

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Seeing no further uh discussion,
roll call.

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» Mr. Jesse?
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Williams?
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Bill Harris?
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Kittinden?
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Don Harris?
>> Yes. And we are moving downstairs for

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our close session. So anybody left in
here can stay.

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» Yes. And then we have a night meeting.
So um if there's any action that's taken

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it will occur
before that most likely

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» we are journ