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Good evening and welcome to this meeting of the Middletown Township Board of Supervisors, would everyone please stand and join us in the pledge of allegiance.

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Well, tonight we are thrilled and privileged to have the National Anthem performed by students from Carl Sandberg Medical Middle School.

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So if everyone would please join me in welcoming the Sandberg Sound Waves

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choir who will be singing the National Anthem, this group is the Advanced

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Choir at Carl Sandberg Middle School and consists of fifth through eighth grade

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students.

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Their choir has already made waves performing at the Philadelphia Wings Lacrosse

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Trenton Thunder and was the winner of the recent B-101 Christmas

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Choir Competition.

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Please welcome Carl Sandberg's Occupella Group, the Sound Waves Choir.

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I'm a fantastic.

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Thank you very much.

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We're good Paul,

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actually next on the agenda, Mr. Corporal, would you please call roll?

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Yes, I will. Mr. Keseck?

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Ms. Hanna, here, Ms. Cain.

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Mr. House?

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Here.

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Also, when attendance is a township manager, Ms. Tilly Cools, a township assistant township manager, Mr.

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Valla, township solicitor, Mr. Esposito, township engineer, Mr. Kessler.

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Chief of Police, Joseph Bordenrelli, director of building in zoning, zoning,

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in NS, Director of Parks and Rec, Paul Capara, Director of Finance, Laura Hucklebridge, Director

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of Public Works, Eric Gardeminer.

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Thank you, Ms. Corporal. Our next Board of Supervisors meeting will be Monday, May 12th,

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2025 at 7 o'clock. Well, this is a big night here because we have some more recognitions.

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Next on the agenda, we have our recognition of two local youth basketball teams.

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The

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the Langhorn Athletic Association for the recent success at the Pennsylvania State Basketball

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Championships held on March 14th to 16th in state college and these are the Langhorn

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So first we would like to acknowledge the 4th grade Lady Rebels, and they are coached by Coach Bill Shirley.

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The Lady Rebels had an impressive run of four wins and one lost in an earned a third place finish in the top division.

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And next, wanting you guys to come up to, we'd like to recognize the eighth grade spiders, and they are coached by Jason Trespleachius.

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The spiders actually won all four of their games culminating in an overtime victory in the championship game to earn a first place finish in the top division.

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Congratulations girls,

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and if you guys hang out for one second, we have certificates for both of them you can take a picture with the board.

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Testing 1, 2, 3 testing,

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testing 1, 2, 3 testing.

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All

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right, more recognitions, this is really an impressive night.

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Next on the agenda, we have recognition of Natalie DeCrossa,

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Girl Scouts Award, Gold Award, Troop number 21603.

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Natalie, the Girl Scouts Gold Award is the highest achievement in Girl Scouting.

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The Girl Scouts Gold Award is the highest achievement in Girl Scouting.

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Gold Award, Girl Scouts have shown remarkable dedication to improving their communities and the world.

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by leading a team to affect measurable, lasting change, as they take action to transform their

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world.

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They gain tangible, real world skills and prove that they are leaders that campuses and communities

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need.

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Natalie DeCrosste created a YouTube video on the benefits of rescuing cats and kittens

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rather than buying them.

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She also made 75 starter kits filled with items needed when adopting a kitten or cat.

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These kits were given to anyone who adopted their pet from a local cat and rescue where Mr.

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across the volunteers weekly.

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Let's have a round of applause for Natalie DeCop.

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OK, next on the agenda, we have a local government month

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proclamation, and it reads.

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Whereas local governments throughout the Commonwealth

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provide valuable services to the citizens of the communities

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they serve, and whereas in recognition of the work

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performed by local governments, the Pennsylvania General

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Assembly designated the week of April 6th to April 12th.

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As local government, we can Pennsylvania.

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Whereas local government is often referred to

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as the level of government that is closest to the people,

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providing importance to this in services such as law enforcement, public health, and safety,

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recreational opportunities and public works, and we're as many individuals, including employees

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of the township and numerous volunteers, participating in providing local government services

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to the residents and businesses in the middle town township, and now, therefore, the

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middle town township where the Supervisors proclaimed that April 2025 is hereby designated

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as local government month in the middle town township, and be, therefore, resolved that the

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middle town township where the Supervisors will continue to work to promote civic education

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and engagement in an effort to educate citizens about their local government, strengthen the

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sense of community, and engage the next generation of local government employees and volunteers.

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And following up on that, we have a proclamation, recognizing autism awareness months.

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Minnesota.

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Thank you.

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Whereas autism is a complex developmental condition that affects communication, behavior, and

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social interaction impacting individuals and families and diverse ways.

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And whereas early diagnosis, intervention, and access to support services can significantly significantly improve the quality of life for individuals on the autism spectrum and powering them to reach their full potential.

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And whereas it is essential to promote acceptance, inclusion, and understanding to foster a society where individuals with autism can thrive in their communities, schools and workplaces.

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And whereas Autism Awareness Month serves as an opportunity to educate the public,

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support research efforts and advocate.

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Advocate for policies that enhance the well-being and rights of individuals with autism, and

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whereas communities, organizations and individuals are encouraged to participate in activities

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that raise awareness and show solidarity with the autism community. Fostering a more inclusive

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and supportive world for all, and now be there for resolved that the Middletown Township

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Board of Supervisors proclaims April as autism awareness month.

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Thank you, Ms. Hannah.

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Next on the agenda, we have an Earth Day Arbor Day Proclamation in the Strauss.

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Thank you.

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A Proclamation recognizing Earth Day and Arbor Day in Middletown Township,

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whereas Earth Day celebrated annually on April 22nd,

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and Arbor Day observed on the last Friday of April's

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service reminders of our responsibility to protect and preserve our natural

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environment for current future generations.

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And, whereas trees play a vital role in maintaining ecological balance by improving

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air quality, conserving water, reducing soil erosion, providing habitat for wildlife and

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about inclimit change through carbon sequitration, and whereas communities, organizations, and

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individuals are encouraged to engage in activities such as tree planting, waste reduction,

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water conservation, and environmental education to promote sustainability and ecological stewardship.

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And we're after this imperative that we foster an awareness of the interconnectedness

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between humanity and the natural world and inspiring action toward a healthier planet.

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Now, be it therefore resolved that the Middleton Board Township Board of Supervisors here by

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April 22nd, 2025, as Earth Day and Arbor Day in Militant Township, I urge all citizens to participate in activities that support environmental sustainability, plant trees, and make conscientious choices to protect and preserve our planet for generations to come.

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And we really live this in Militant Town as evidenced by our next announcement.

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I'll write in the heels of that.

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I am pleased to announce that middle-time will be celebrating Earth Day on Saturday April 26, 2025.

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And that will be from 11am to 2pm at Core Creek Park.

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So everyone, please come out and join us for Earth Day Saturday April 26 from 11 to 2 Core Creek Park.

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All right, and that brings us to the consent agenda items and they are as follows.

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Item A consideration of authorizing payment of the April 12, 2025 bills,

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less than the amount of 1,249,799 dollars and 24 cents.

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Be consideration of approving the March 10, 2025 minutes

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of the public meeting of the Middletan Tangent Board of Supervisors.

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Seek consideration of approving resolution number 25-99R,

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applying to the Department of Community and Economic Development,

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PA, Small Water, and Silver Grant,

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and item de-consideration of approval of a stipulation

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and settlement of tax assessment appeal of mixed-stone COCRAVCO Inc.

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for tax parcel number 22-057-043.

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Is there a motion?

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I move to approve the consent agenda as red.

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Thank you, Mr. House.

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A second.

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Thank you, Mr. Corporal.

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There's been a motion.

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A second.

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Are there any board questions?

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Any questions in the public?

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Seeing none others in favor say aye?

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Opposed.

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carries 5-0.

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Next on the agenda.

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Consideration of preliminary and final land development approval.

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Pereira, 2351 Big Oak Road, proposed contracting office with Accessory Warehouse and outside

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storage area in the M1 Light Manufacturing Zoning District, SLSLD, number 24-2, yes, Mr. Murphy.

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Good evening.

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Thank you.

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Here tonight on behalf of the Carl Pereira and Pereira properties, as I think most of you know,

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Carl and his family have resided in middle town for almost 40 years, and their business

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Bigger Road has been there for 35 years.

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What's being proposed tonight is to expand the business by building almost a mere image

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of a slightly bigger of their existing facility across Bigger Road, from their current

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location.

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That's pretty much it is.

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Mr. Murphy, your very tall, can you pull that up towards your little, there we go.

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Shadow come out if we need you.

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have forgotten feedback.

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The only problem is that they won't hear you at home. What a shame.

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Okay. So, what's proposed is a land development plan for the development of a property

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across the street, which per areas have owned for some time. The plan was first reviewed

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last fall by your planning commission received the favorable recommendation. We've been

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to the Senate hearing board and obtain approval for some relatively minor types of relief.

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What's in front of you tonight is, as you indicated, a preliminary final land development

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plan for the opportunity for the next generation of the prayer is to construct a new facility

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across the street.

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The intention is not, I repeat, not to sell the existing facility where they are presently

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operating.

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They want to continue to be perhaps one of the few of all the good neighbors on Big O'C Road

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Because if you get out of Big O'C Road, this property is exemplary and we could think of other

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Descriptions for some of the other neighbors including the one right next door and there was a fair amount of commentary before about

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Whether or not

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Prayer is whatever considered selling to the next door neighbor who by the way has not been a particularly

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respectful neighbor to prayer it as well. So we have a lot of issues. We're not

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selling. We certainly would not sell to the neighbor, but we deal with the

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environmental issues much like the township does with this neighbor. And it is a

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constant source of concern for us as well. So having said that, the review

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letters are all well-compliant issues. We don't with all those. In terms of

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the seedling, what we're looking for is a preliminary final recommendation of

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approval so we can move forward with the next step.

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We can talk about individual comments if you like the plan or the elevation of the plans

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on the screen.

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But again, we are good neighbors, we will always be good neighbors, and we want to stay in

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middle town, which I think is a feel good story for all of us.

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So just for orientation purposes, the parcel that Perair is looking to build on is the

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of Big Oak Road that a bunch of the train tracks, correct?

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And now, I'll side if you will.

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If you view their property on the north side, it is on the south side.

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And currently, this is essentially directly across the street from the existing property.

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It is.

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And so the intention is to keep the existing property.

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What any thoughts on the future use of that property?

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It'll be a back office continued to be part of the prayer operation for now.

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that the intention is, this is not a short-term project that's going to take a number of years to complete the transition from one side of the street to the other, so hopefully they'll continue to own and maintain that going forward.

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Okay. Any questions from any board members for Mr. Murphy?

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I have a question about the tree replacement. Can you explain that process for me?

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Yep, just in genoty from dynamic is the project engineer.

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Sure, good evening.

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So we do have a zoning variance for true replacement.

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Basin is quite your ordinance.

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It's basically the amount of trees that get taken.

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So, in the existing trees that are surrounding the site, which we are not going to be disturbing, we can only plan a certain

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nine trees on that property. So, the zoning variants and all subsequent conversations with the township and township engineer would be to replace those trees.

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Elsewhere in the township, or there'd be a fee in lieu of contribution to the township as well.

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I don't know if that's Isaac or if it's Mr. Cooper. Could you explain how we decide where that's going to get, where the trees are going to go after that process?

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We'll try to maximize the number of on-site plannings possible.

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Again, Isaac will confirm that.

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After that, it would be up to the staff and Isaac.

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If there's opportunities for us to plan elsewhere, or a theme look.

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That's not our call that's the Township's staff and principally icing.

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Correct.

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Yeah, that would be really determined in the number of replacement trees on the site.

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that can be accommodated, anything outside of the property would coordinate with the

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township staff and identify any placements of those.

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And that variance was already granted by the zoning here in Boyd.

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Correct.

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That's correct.

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Thank you.

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What about, I know there are, this is a currently, this is a vacant property

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correct, and there are wetlands, and I know one of the issues that was before the zoning

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here in Boyd was disturbance of wetlands, so can you just talk about what the impact

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and fire mentally will be?

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Sure.

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So we are not going to be disturbing wetlands so that the purpose and I think some of the

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comments in the letter were mostly pertain there being a fence line that was going through

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the wetlands at one point. So in talking eyes that can the township staff, we are not going

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to have that fence going through the wetlands anymore. But the extent of the improvements which

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you see on the screen, the building, the laid-on yard, the parking lot, those are actually

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outside of the delineated wetlands on the property.

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Okay, that's great.

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We'll go ahead.

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I actually had a question about one of the you had noted in the review layers that around the parking, the amount of spaces.

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Could you explain why we're putting it looks like 67 spots when over only 33 are applicable to the development?

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Sure.

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So that's based on operations.

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So they know the amount of staff that they have,

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the people that come in and actually take vehicles out

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for their own vehicles out onto the road.

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So they do need 67 spots for their operation.

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They want to make sure all vehicles are parked

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on the property and not on the street,

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not have any issues with that,

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with either staff turnover or daily staff.

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So that's because of they know they're used.

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Right, and on the property, those wetlands and the wooded area

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Are they going to be kind of dated as open space or potentially developed?

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No.

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So they will never be developed.

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So they are protected wetlands.

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Okay.

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And a comment in the letter and something we're going to comply with is that the wetlands will

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be within a conservation easement.

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So they will be the woodlands that you see on the plan and the associated wetlands within

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those woodlands will be preserved forever.

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Okay.

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Just if you can.

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It's not shown very well in this plan with the area but where those wetlands are on the

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property.

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Sure.

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I don't know, there's one other plan.

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So the wetlands on the plan, as you see, all the woodlands along the back of the property

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are going to stay, but the woodland line follows around the perimeter of the site all the way

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up to the road.

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So this area basically can find with a railroad tracks is a wetland, but everything without

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outside of that area where we are disturbing and showing improvements is not a wetland.

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So the conservation easement will follow the perimeter of our site, essentially, what

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in the view you had before this prior slide, you're on the train track side of Big Oak Road.

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So if I'm a resident on Apple Valley, what should I expect in terms of increased noise,

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truck traffic, anything like that?

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So you said correctly. So when we laid out this site, we put the building on the street.

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And we're going to have the landscaping along the front of the street.

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They'll machine the use behind. So a lot of the equipment storage and laid down your

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is going to be behind the building. But as far as the residents, the actual use is moving further away

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from the residents. It's going to be in confined. It's on the south side of Big Oak Road,

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and it's being confined by the railroad tracks. So the actual use that's operating

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on the north side is actually going to be relocated to the south side.

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So they'll actually see more of an office feel on their side and more of me and you factoring

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heavy side will be closer to the train tracks.

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And our trucks do not use Woodburn Road, trucks go on big oak and get to the highway as soon as possible.

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So there is no benefit or interest or advantage for us to use Woodburn Road.

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Understood, thank you.

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Would this be a 24-7 operation or what would be the hours of operation?

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The hours, I think, are identical to what they are now, which are six to six.

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Any other questions from any board members?

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If not, I can consider a motion.

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I make a motion to grant preliminary and final land development plan approval per

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per error properties L.P. proposed warehouse and contracting office big oak road

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Langhorn PA 19047 SLD24-2 with the following conditions.

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Applicants shall comply and full with all requirements at the Middletown Township

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Subdivision and land development ordinance in the Middletown Township Zoning

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ordinance unless relief was granted by the body having jurisdiction.

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Two, any remaining review comments shall be addressed in full, three partial

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waiver from Section 44510B of the subdivision and land development ordinance to provide

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curbing and cartway widening along Big Oak Road.

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Partial waiver is based on the applicant providing a financial contribution to the estimated

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cost of the improvements along the frontage of 2350 Big Oak Road, estimated cost will be determined

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by the Township Engineer and Township Traffic and Transportation Engineer.

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For applicant will pay a fee in lieu for the installation of sidewalk along 2350, the

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Code, cost estimate for the installation will be determined by the Township Engineer.

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Applicant will coordinate with the Township Engineer to determine the number of replacement

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trees that can be accommodated on site.

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This is covered in the testimony evidence contained in the June 14th, 2023 zoning hearing

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board decision in order.

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Additionally, applicant will provide off-site replacement trees at locations determined by

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the Township or in the event of the Township determines there are no appropriate locations

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for the replacement trees.

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The applicant will provide a fee in the determined by the Township as required under

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of the June 14, 2023 zoning hearing

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for decision and order.

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I'm happy to accept all those conditions.

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Okay, thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Ms. Strauss, thank you, Mr. Murphy,

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is there a second?

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A second?

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It's been a mostly in a second,

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any more questions at this time.

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Any questions from the public?

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Yes?

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Hi, my name is Lauren Leroy.

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I live at 18, Michael Pair Road in Levittown.

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I am Chair of Milltown's Environmental Advisory Council.

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We wrote a letter in regards to this property,

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but we were powerless to say what we wanted to say because they went to the zoning hearing board

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and got variances for the tree removal. I appreciate that you guys are going to enforce that they

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plant these trees somewhere else. But like according to what they're removing, they should be planting

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400 trees, and the zoning board...

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This area, given the fact that there's a wetlands there, given the fact of flooding issues, and the fact

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that that's right next to a train that carries hazardous materials. I wish to caution you from

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approving these plans, because the zoning board did not sufficiently deal with the environmental

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regulations there, and it's a disaster waiting to happen. I don't think that whatever the engineer

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said was sufficient for replacing those trees is actually sufficient. And I think that if we build

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this there, the flooding that used to be a problem in big road, big road is going to get worse

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and given that train that passes through there, I think this is a no-brainer that we shouldn't

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approve these plans.

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Thank you.

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I can one of you clarify the comments around the amount of trees because it sounded like we were

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going to be consistent with what the ordinance shows.

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So I just want to make sure that that is true.

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It's consistent with the zoning board hearing from 2023, which is not consistent with the ordinance.

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They were granted a variance so they wouldn't have to comply with our ordinance as written.

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So what you're agreeing to as far as the zoning goes, it's been changed.

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You're not agreeing to the original ordinance when you say that meeting on July 23rd.

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to clarify the variance that was granted on June 14th, 2023.

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It's to limit the number of replacement trees required for planting to those which can be reasonably accommodated on the property whereas the planting of 411 replacement trees would otherwise be required so they did a get a reduction of the required number of trees with that variance and that's what was described by the applicant.

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So there's a there's a there's a they were granted a variance to reduce the amount that have to be

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Replanted on site because 400 or whatever the number was it's not practical

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But from what I understood that there will be trees planted elsewhere in the township is there a number as to how many trees will be planted elsewhere in the township

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That's what I just heard that we would work with the township to plant them elsewhere that if the property couldn't hold it

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because there's so many trees can take it down,

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but we will plant them elsewhere, or a fee in lieu.

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So I guess clarification on what that fee in lieu is.

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Yeah, but what I said 10 minutes ago is the relief we got,

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we're going to plan as many of those required trees

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as we can physically accommodate.

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So if you can play 400, you'll play 400.

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Yeah, whatever the number is, we will plant that number

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and Isaac will determine the difference if we can't accommodate

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them all on site, we'll either plant them all site or pay a fee in lieu.

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So it looks like 411 are what would be taken down.

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I don't have the zoning hearing board decision front of me.

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That would have been the required amount without the variance of the variance amount.

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Do you have that available the amount that was in the variance?

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Sure.

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I don't have that in front of me.

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The variance says to limit it to the number that can be reasonably accommodated on the property.

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The variance itself

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specifically says any 100 replaced in trees for every acre, so that's where that it wasn't just 100 trees total.

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But they're not moving when either they're moving forward.

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Yes.

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They are an amazing 400, which is about right in one.

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Subject to the relief of the zoning here and that's it.

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The zoning here, we're even relieved and said they didn't have to provide the effort.

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The variance is that they don't have to try to put four or eleven trees on that property.

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That's my understanding.

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Yes.

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I don't think the variance says that.

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I read it as whatever they can't reasonably get on the property, that difference is going

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to be planted elsewhere in the township.

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Is that correct?

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That's what the relief in the zoning

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herb or decision says, correct.

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Paragraph 4 says, the variance

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to provide less than the required number

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of replacement trees on the site, correct.

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So in the variance has already been granted

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by the other very important.

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So to some extent, this is, I guess, water under the branch.

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But I think what I do have a question about

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is the comment, Miss Loro made with regard to stormwater and potential flooding.

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So I don't know if you can speak to that or Mr. Castro, if you can speak to that.

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We can certainly speak to that, too, and if Johnson wants to give you a little preview

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of what the design of the stormwater system on the site is, henceforth, there is no stormwater

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today.

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So I think Johnson will confirm that what we're doing is going to dramatically improve it.

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Sure.

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So I'll start by saying we already, we have our NPS permit from PADP, which certifies that all

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improvements are going to be handled from both of rate, volume, and water quality perspective.

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So on the site, yes, we are taking down some trees and we are putting in a parking lot in

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the paved area, but there's going to be a really large infiltration basin located in the

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front of the site to control all stormwater runoff.

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I mean, not to give an education to you guys that already know it, but the way stormwater works

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is you have to control the rate of runoff all for your property to the rate of runoff

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today, or less than, and you're going to require a reduction in runoff.

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So, the infiltration basin that's being proposed will reduce the amount of runoff coming off

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of that property today.

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So, and that's already been designed in a review by your township engineer and approved

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by PADP as part of our NPDS permit.

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Thank you, Mr. Kesak, and you can confirm that.

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Yes, that's correct, and Mr. Murphy pointed out the current site has no management of storm

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water.

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Not to say that the wooded area, you know, manages some of that, but the actual storm

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management system would be able to, I would say, handle more of an influx of some kind as compared

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to the existing site that's there now.

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We do see the improvements for the overall site by having an actual system on the property.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions from the public?

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Yeah.

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Could I just request that the township review where they could put those 400 trees that won't fit on this property?

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It's my experience with the EAC and our tree-planting measures that we struggle to find places to put trees.

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So if the township doesn't have a place to put these 400 trees that won't fit on these property,

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this building should not go forward.

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And it should be predicated on you finding that space for those 400 trees.

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Otherwise, it's like wishful thinking.

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Please be good stewards of our land.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions from the public?

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I have a question, where has there been any idea or planning of where these trees might go?

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Has that been discussed or reviewed? Not with us. At least not yet. Mr. Capero, do you guys have spaces where you're planning on putting trees?

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Yeah, we have a plan that's part of the plan set that shows suggested locations for street trees and other type of low profile plannings around the buildings.

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It's up to the staff to determine what the count is and then how and where and the cost of doing so if we can't physically accommodate them.

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on site we're off site.

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I am.

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But I think the township has yet to come to us and say, if you can only do 50 and the extra

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have to go to the township park or some other location, that has not been kicked out.

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If I can interrupt.

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Just to satisfy your question, this happens all the time.

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It's very typical, the development gets approved with this type of situation, Isaac will

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work with our team at the Township Building to identify where the trees can be planted.

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It's a big town. We have plenty of room to plant those trees.

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I was just asking the egg clarification because I know they're trying to plant trees now and

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they've been trying to find spots. And I know that they have ideas of where they can go.

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I just wanted somebody to speak to that. I appreciate that. Thank you.

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Any other questions from the public?

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All right. So we have a motion and a second. I'm going to call for a vote. All those

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favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed. carries five zero. Thank you Mr. Murphy.

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Thanks.

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Next on the agenda, we have consideration of preliminary and final

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land development approval for five 80-middle town Boulevard TMP-22-057-056-22-057-057

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and 22-057-059 in the GB general business district SLSLD-25-2. Mr. Murphy, you

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Yep. Good evening again. This one is really straightforward. What is proposed is the drawing

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of a single line of subdivision. Today on the screen you'll see outlined in yellow a series

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of four existing buildings. Three look like they're on a single parcel and then the fourth

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one is to the West by itself.

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We are proposing to create that red line that would subdivide those three buildings from

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the fourth one and for more financing purposes to create a new lot for that existing building.

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Interestingly, your township ordinance has a specific provision that must have been contemplated

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perhaps when the ring road was built, that would specifically allow the establishment of this subdivision

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for this very purpose. So the review letters that I'm sure you've seen are as straightforward

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and clean as you can be. We have no issues with those. All we're seeking is approval of that

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minor subdivision to allow the creation of that line where the red line proposes to take that

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line into two, and that's it.

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I did just want to add just for clarification.

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This is just the minor subdivision.

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There's no land development associated with it, so I'll go to the agenda item, red, preliminary

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final land development.

456
00:40:54,020 --> 00:40:56,060
This is just the minor subdivision request.

457
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,880
And I should have said an Isaac's right that no improvements are contemplated by this at all.

458
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:07,320
And it came up in one of the review letters that Jim and Isaac and staff would need to review

459
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:13,020
cross-easement and cross-access agreements that would need to be created to allow the same traffic pattern

460
00:41:13,020 --> 00:41:16,420
to exist after the subdivision has exist today.

461
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:17,980
So that's all for me.

462
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,520
Any questions from Mr. Murphy?

463
00:41:24,780 --> 00:41:24,900
All right.

464
00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:29,120
I'll make a motion to grant minor subdivision plan approval for 580 middle-town Boulevard Langhorn

465
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,960
PA-10190 for step-in-nash-lastality number 25-2 with the following conditions.

466
00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:36,100
Applicant shock-compliant full-bathal requirements of the middle-town township subdivision

467
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:39,560
at Land of Almanornants and the middle-town township zoning ordinance unless relief is

468
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,620
by the body having jurisdiction and to any remaining review comments, so I'll be dressed

469
00:41:43,620 --> 00:41:45,040
in full for the second.

470
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,720
Thank you, Ms. Corporal. There's been a motion in a second,

471
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,980
any more questions? Any questions from the public? Seeing none of those in favor say aye.

472
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:54,860
Sorry, aye.

473
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,060
Opposed carries five.

474
00:41:57,060 --> 00:41:57,440
Thank you.

475
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:58,640
Thanks Mr. Murphy.

476
00:42:01,330 --> 00:42:04,830
Next on the agenda consideration of a petition number half of Wood School's to

477
00:42:04,830 --> 00:42:08,730
reason Wood Services Inc. and Wood Services Foundation to create an overlay district for certain

478
00:42:08,730 --> 00:42:12,470
the middle town township would schools line on PA 19047.

479
00:42:13,690 --> 00:42:13,870
Yes.

480
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:14,630
Hello, good evening.

481
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:16,150
I'm shorter than everyone else.

482
00:42:16,350 --> 00:42:16,810
So I'll move it.

483
00:42:17,710 --> 00:42:18,350
Just Mr. Murphy.

484
00:42:20,770 --> 00:42:21,290
Hello, everyone.

485
00:42:21,370 --> 00:42:21,810
Good evening.

486
00:42:21,950 --> 00:42:25,250
My name is Dawn Diamond and I'm the CEO for Wood Services.

487
00:42:25,810 --> 00:42:27,910
Thank you for the opportunity to present tonight.

488
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:30,150
This ordinance is very important to us.

489
00:42:30,510 --> 00:42:31,730
It's very important for our future.

490
00:42:32,030 --> 00:42:35,670
And we know that it's very important to many in our community.

491
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:39,350
For us, this journey started about six years ago.

492
00:42:39,350 --> 00:42:55,330
We've been working very hard since then, and especially over the last several months to collaborate with others to bring to you an ordinance that we feel not only has key mission aligned elements, but also those that will benefit the entire community.

493
00:42:56,910 --> 00:43:05,570
I know that you know a lot about woods or you're familiar with woods, but we are a very different organization today than we were a year ago.

494
00:43:05,570 --> 00:43:18,190
Sorry, 10 years ago, together with our affiliate partners, we serve and support over 50,000 individuals in Southeast Pennsylvania and the entire state of New Jersey.

495
00:43:20,190 --> 00:43:32,810
Together with our affiliates, we provide supports and services that are primarily healthcare related and services for individuals with intellectual disabilities autism and traumatic brain injury.

496
00:43:32,810 --> 00:43:40,810
The hub of those services, especially our healthcare services, are located here in Langehorn on our campus.

497
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:46,410
Most of the supports and services they receive through our healthcare arm operate

498
00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:49,290
out of a particular corridor on our property.

499
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:54,290
We have a short video for you tonight that we want you to see.

500
00:43:54,930 --> 00:44:01,110
I think showing that video will help you have a better understanding of what we do on the property,

501
00:44:01,110 --> 00:44:06,390
where our organization is headed and why this ordinance is so important to us.

502
00:44:06,730 --> 00:44:09,410
I promise it's only two minutes.

503
00:44:09,950 --> 00:44:14,390
And afterwards, Michael and Eric will come to the podium.

504
00:44:17,210 --> 00:44:20,290
For more than a service has been a trailblazer,

505
00:44:20,830 --> 00:44:23,610
providing the best possible support and care

506
00:44:23,610 --> 00:44:27,190
to individuals, intellectual and developmental disabilities,

507
00:44:27,690 --> 00:44:30,850
autism and complex medical and behavioral challenges

508
00:44:30,850 --> 00:44:32,950
live up to their full potential.

509
00:44:33,290 --> 00:44:37,090
In true wood smashing, it's time to take it up to the next level.

510
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:40,550
Wood's is proud to introduce the wood system of care.

511
00:44:40,890 --> 00:44:44,190
comprising of 21 affiliates and partner organizations,

512
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:48,510
including wood services, wood system of care,

513
00:44:48,690 --> 00:44:51,890
now provides comprehensive, integrated health care

514
00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:56,050
to an even broader range of individuals, including those with mental health

515
00:44:56,050 --> 00:44:57,710
and substance abuse challenges.

516
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:59,970
W.S.O.C offers more than...

517
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,560
And two hundred programs to serve more than 52,000 individuals in Pennsylvania and New Jersey.

518
00:45:07,060 --> 00:45:13,180
What makes Wood System of Care so unique and impressive is that there has never before been a coordinated

519
00:45:13,180 --> 00:45:21,060
and seamless way to address all of a person's needs across their lifespan. WSOC offers this revolutionary

520
00:45:21,060 --> 00:45:26,600
approach that is based on the idea of integrated care. By working together across disciplines,

521
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,800
providers can now address the social determinants of health, extremely important factors

522
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:37,300
that have been ignored for too long. As a leading population health management organization,

523
00:45:37,860 --> 00:45:43,200
Wood's system of care, connects prevention, wellness, education, behavioral health,

524
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:49,020
and social services with coordinated integrated health care delivery. Innovative services like

525
00:45:49,020 --> 00:45:54,880
the medical center at Wood's and Pendantal Medicine at Wood's offer an unprecedented level of

526
00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:00,160
access to high quality care for people with intellectual and developmental disabilities and

527
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:05,540
complex challenges, while the Center for Behavioral Health at Woods adds much needed mental

528
00:46:05,540 --> 00:46:07,660
health care to anyone who needs it.

529
00:46:07,940 --> 00:46:13,100
This approach ensures that every individual receives the opportunities and supports they need

530
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:19,520
to thrive, fostering self-determination, dignity, respect, and the joy of achievement across

531
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:20,760
the entire lifespan.

532
00:46:21,460 --> 00:46:27,560
With over 800 combined years of experience, wood system of care brings a wealth of knowledge

533
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:34,080
and a legacy of success, demonstrating an ability to adapt and thrive across generations.

534
00:46:34,820 --> 00:46:39,860
Wood's elevates outcomes and enhances the lives of every individual it serves.

535
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:46,500
Join us in celebrating the wood system of care where we are dedicated to creating a brighter,

536
00:46:46,860 --> 00:46:48,860
more inclusive future for all.

537
00:47:02,540 --> 00:47:04,180
But allowing us to play that short video.

538
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:07,520
I know many people were supervisors and members of the public

539
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,020
or familiar with what wood is does.

540
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,720
But I think that video speaks better than our team is going

541
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:16,400
to be able to this evening just to provide a brief snippet

542
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,160
at the outset as to why we care so much about this ordinance

543
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,380
that's pending before you consideration.

544
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,800
So we're here to discuss what we have labeled the CDT

545
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:27,400
ordinance.

546
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:31,780
And this is an overlay ordinance that would cover a portion

547
00:47:31,780 --> 00:47:35,140
of the campus, which was owns and operates.

548
00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:40,100
So this is a revision to the initial ordinance

549
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:42,380
that was submitted to the Township for consideration

550
00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:45,280
that we initially presented to the Planning Commission

551
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,720
over five months ago.

552
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,960
Since then, this ordinance has been reduced

553
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,980
to remove over 100 acres and a majority

554
00:47:54,980 --> 00:47:59,300
of the non-residential uses, which were initially proposed.

555
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,220
Before we get into the what in the ordinance and I have very close with me from Gilmour

556
00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:08,880
and Associates, we're going to sort of walk through that together in a minute if we could.

557
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:13,300
I want to go back in time a little bit and get to the why here.

558
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:22,500
So I think as a threshold issue, I would like to submit to the supervisors that the existing zoning

559
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:28,920
for the Woods campus really makes no sense given the historic use and the projected use in the future.

560
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:34,120
The entirety of the Woods campus is zoned R1, presently.

561
00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:39,680
And what that means, since the R1 district is designed to promote single-family detached

562
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:46,160
dwellings, is that anything that Woods does requires only relief in the township, a new

563
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:53,360
building, a building addition, all of it is not permitted, all of it is a pre-existing, non-conforming

564
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:53,920
use.

565
00:48:53,920 --> 00:49:00,800
And I think it's worthwhile to take a second if I could to try to address the question that

566
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,120
we have heard through this process.

567
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:06,160
And that is, why is that a problem?

568
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:10,620
Why don't you come to the zone of hearing board every time you seek to do anything on

569
00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:11,320
this campus?

570
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:18,140
And my short answer to that is that that is not good planning.

571
00:49:18,140 --> 00:49:26,820
Every single use in the township, it'd be at residential, commercial, industrial, has an underlying zoning district.

572
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:38,780
And ideally, that zoning district bears some semblance of reality to what the ongoing use is on the parcels which are zoned in a particular manner.

573
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:48,920
So, in our case, I think about two years ago, we looked at this and said, this zoning for what is,

574
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:56,100
if not the largest, one of the largest private landowners in the township does not make sense.

575
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,960
The entirety of the campus is non-conforming.

576
00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:08,040
So, what we'd like to do is propose an ordinance, some ordinance, two years ago, that fixes the situation both for woods,

577
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,300
and for the township and perpetuity.

578
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,440
And I think the initial analysis was, okay,

579
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:19,080
middle town, just like any other municipality has a quite a list

580
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,880
of permitted zoning districts.

581
00:50:21,140 --> 00:50:23,720
And maybe we could just do a map of amendment

582
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:27,980
to modify this to a professional or general business

583
00:50:27,980 --> 00:50:29,680
or some other sort of zoning district.

584
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:34,120
But the reality is, because of diverse subset of uses

585
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,020
that was has, there is no singular zoning district

586
00:50:38,020 --> 00:50:40,340
in the township that makes sense.

587
00:50:40,860 --> 00:50:45,560
If we modify the zoning to professional for general business, we would run into the same

588
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,420
issue that we have with the R1 district.

589
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:55,400
So the natural answer to that, I would suggest, is an overlay.

590
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:03,620
In the overlay that we have proposed, I think, recognizes and respects the multiple uses that

591
00:51:03,620 --> 00:51:09,800
currently exist on the site and the projected continuation of multiple uses into the future.

592
00:51:10,820 --> 00:51:17,720
And we have created, I think, in ordinance, that blends the combination of what is existing

593
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:23,640
presently with what Woods looks to accomplish in the future.

594
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:30,840
So we get into the ordinance in a second, I would state that any zoning ordinance, any

595
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:41,560
overlay ordinance is probably not perfect, but big picture. This is a much better, much

596
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:48,740
more appropriate solution for this campus. It allows woods to remain a thriving viable

597
00:51:48,740 --> 00:51:56,020
member in Middletown Township for decades to come, and it rectifies a long-standing zoning

598
00:51:56,020 --> 00:52:02,140
in the planning issue in a way that we think is satisfactory both to the Woods team and

599
00:52:02,140 --> 00:52:04,020
is protective to the township.

600
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:08,460
And I think we're going to hopefully explain why we believe that in a second.

601
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:19,480
So if I could bear with me for a moment, I'd like to take the supervisors through a couple

602
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:24,540
actions in this ordinance, and then I'm going to have Mr.

603
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,960
Place discuss what I'm sure may be some concern.

604
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,900
Regarding, performance standards, as they're always a concern within the overlay ordinance.

605
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:46,880
So I would like to state as a threshold issue that the entirety of the ordinance in terms of the uses that we're proposing are governed by conditional use.

606
00:52:47,180 --> 00:52:53,860
The exception to that, which I'd like to address at the outset, is the apartment use that we're proposing.

607
00:52:56,860 --> 00:53:04,640
Section 522052 in this ordinance allows for one apartment building in the entirety of the

608
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:11,140
overlay district and we know where this apartment building would be located.

609
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:17,600
First of all, it will be all attainable housing which we know is an important directive of

610
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:18,160
the township.

611
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,180
It's an important issue for Woods.

612
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,180
Woods discussed at the Planning Commission

613
00:53:22,180 --> 00:53:25,980
that the 42 unit portion of phase one

614
00:53:25,980 --> 00:53:29,100
of the apartment building will have nine units

615
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:31,300
that are specifically earmarked to individuals

616
00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:32,680
with intellectual disabilities.

617
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,380
This has been relocated,

618
00:53:37,380 --> 00:53:39,740
and I don't know, Eric, if you can point out,

619
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,860
maybe on the map, if you don't mind.

620
00:53:42,780 --> 00:53:47,000
In an area that I would suggest is internal, right there,

621
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,360
to the Woods campus.

622
00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:58,280
That parcel is, I believe, 3.78 acres and the supervisors may recall or may not recall because we never came before you for consideration.

623
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:07,580
There was a prior iteration of this proposed elsewhere on the campus in an area that is no longer covered by the overlay district.

624
00:54:07,580 --> 00:54:27,760
We had gone to the zoning hearing board, we did multiple nights of presentation, there was some concern, particularly given the height and the location, adjacent to Taranton and the proximity to the burrow, regarding traffic and building size, that might not be the ideal location.

625
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,980
And while we believe that that was, in fact, a good location, we have, back we asked

626
00:54:32,980 --> 00:54:36,300
to those suggestions and we've relocated it internally.

627
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:43,000
And why I'm pointing that out is this is the only portion of the overlay ordinance that

628
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,600
Woods has developed and designed land development plans for.

629
00:54:46,860 --> 00:54:51,320
Most overlay ordinances, you have an ordinance that's drafted and submitted where a specific

630
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:57,740
building or buildings are envisioned, often they're submitted in tandem with the development

631
00:54:57,740 --> 00:55:03,680
application. In our case, the only thing we have that we're ready to submit is the apartment

632
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:11,560
building. We have a minimum acreage of three acres, and we have a maximum number of stories

633
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:17,580
of four stories, and then we have an notation in the ordinance that access for ingress and

634
00:55:17,580 --> 00:55:23,880
egress should be through parcels within the overlay district, which again guarantees that there

635
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,180
is not going to be direct access to a main thoroughfare

636
00:55:28,180 --> 00:55:29,180
in the township.

637
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,000
And the reason why I'm pointing out the acreage

638
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,460
is I think it's a reasonable position,

639
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:38,920
perhaps, to be concerned in a vacuum,

640
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:44,260
if you have a site that is two acres or three acres

641
00:55:44,260 --> 00:55:46,500
or four acres, and you have a four story building,

642
00:55:47,180 --> 00:55:50,980
the impact that that may have on a neighboring parcel

643
00:55:50,980 --> 00:55:51,860
in the view shed.

644
00:55:51,860 --> 00:55:57,000
That has been ameliorated by locating it in this location.

645
00:55:57,580 --> 00:56:03,620
You have the front edge, and then you have a border on parcels internal to the Woods

646
00:56:03,620 --> 00:56:04,080
Campus.

647
00:56:04,740 --> 00:56:08,000
And as we discussed at the Zone of Hearing Board, when we presented it and as we discussed

648
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:14,880
at the Planning Commission, this is going to be a building which, A, we think looks beautiful,

649
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:21,140
will look beautiful, will be a good, additive component to the Middletown Township

650
00:56:21,140 --> 00:56:25,780
residential lifestyle, but also something that is important both

651
00:56:25,780 --> 00:56:30,620
for members of the community and on the woods and to things with the clients

652
00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:31,700
that could serve.

653
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,560
Everything else in the ordinance is governed by conditional use.

654
00:56:37,300 --> 00:56:40,860
And I know everybody at the township on the board of supervisors,

655
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,820
the township consultants are aware what a conditional use is,

656
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,800
but I think it's worth just reiterating this.

657
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:53,580
specifically tying it to what I just said a minute ago with what we're proposing immediately.

658
00:56:55,420 --> 00:57:03,820
Sometimes, in my experience with ordinances, with overlay ordinances, you have very specific

659
00:57:03,820 --> 00:57:09,360
performance standards that are set within the ordinance, particularly with respect to things like

660
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,280
natural resource protection, buffering, open space, etc.

661
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:24,150
For this is an ordinance that spans multiple parcels, all of which are adjacent to each

662
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:30,970
other internal towards campus and only with one development that is immediately envisioned.

663
00:57:32,090 --> 00:57:38,510
We wanted to create an ordinance that was appropriate five years from now, ten years from now,

664
00:57:38,510 --> 00:57:46,670
15 years from now, which again was fitting for Woods's desires, but also had the flexibility

665
00:57:46,670 --> 00:57:51,850
to protect the township during any land development submission.

666
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:58,930
So other than the apartment again, if there is a future development proposal that would submit

667
00:57:58,930 --> 00:58:03,410
to the township, in addition to going to the Planning Commission and addition to coming

668
00:58:03,410 --> 00:58:05,730
to the Supervisors for a typical land development,

669
00:58:06,530 --> 00:58:08,750
it will come before you as a conditional use.

670
00:58:09,390 --> 00:58:11,170
At that point, the Supervisors,

671
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:14,370
if there are any concerns about a particular use

672
00:58:14,370 --> 00:58:16,990
or the placement of a proposed building,

673
00:58:17,810 --> 00:58:21,950
can work with the Woods team to place safeguards

674
00:58:21,950 --> 00:58:24,370
on the development to allocate space

675
00:58:24,370 --> 00:58:26,870
for open space, buffering, et cetera.

676
00:58:27,830 --> 00:58:31,170
We'll go through an inerical discuss particular sections

677
00:58:31,170 --> 00:58:32,770
and how that would impact things.

678
00:58:32,770 --> 00:58:38,510
But we did want to state that the conditional use component of this was intentional and

679
00:58:38,510 --> 00:58:43,250
provides that extra layer I would suggest a protection to the township.

680
00:58:44,590 --> 00:58:52,190
When you turn to page 3 in the ordinance, that covers the uses which would be added if

681
00:58:52,190 --> 00:58:53,650
this overlay were to pass.

682
00:58:54,210 --> 00:58:59,910
And I do think it's important to take a second to note what has been removed in this version

683
00:58:59,910 --> 00:59:02,350
of the ordinance from what we had proposed initially.

684
00:59:03,770 --> 00:59:07,230
In the initial ordinance, we had a bank,

685
00:59:07,230 --> 00:59:12,230
daycare, health and fitness, personal service shop,

686
00:59:13,090 --> 00:59:15,830
restaurant, mental health, inpatient, rehab facility,

687
00:59:16,510 --> 00:59:19,830
in and residential boarding, nursing home,

688
00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:23,530
a small and specialty hospitals, as uses, which were allowed.

689
00:59:23,610 --> 00:59:28,110
In addition to an overall mix use, which was permitted.

690
00:59:28,110 --> 00:59:36,950
Those have all been removed and what's left and I'm going to go through these and then I'll turn it over to Eric.

691
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:53,350
But I would suggest you will see what is left specifically correlates almost entirely to existing uses that would is already operating on their campus.

692
00:59:53,350 --> 00:59:58,030
So, for example, business or professional office.

693
00:59:59,050 --> 00:59:59,710
This is existing.

694
01:00:00,140 --> 01:00:09,920
As I'm sure you know, there are a number of offices for professionals who support woods and woods system of care onsite.

695
01:00:10,860 --> 01:00:16,800
This campus location which you may not know supports eight affiliates across two states.

696
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,820
Many of these offices need some updating or potential expansion.

697
01:00:21,820 --> 01:00:29,620
This ordinance would permit what is already occurring to move forward through the conditional

698
01:00:29,620 --> 01:00:32,760
use process in a reasonable manner.

699
01:00:34,140 --> 01:00:39,700
Second, medical office uses, including medical, dental, physical rehabilitation, behavioral

700
01:00:39,700 --> 01:00:42,260
health facilities, and medical aesthetics without surgery.

701
01:00:43,460 --> 01:00:48,220
I think the video actually touched on this, you saw some of the dental services which

702
01:00:48,220 --> 01:00:54,280
which is offering, there are medical office spaces currently existing on campus.

703
01:00:55,380 --> 01:01:00,920
This is, in many instances, unfortunately, a situation which is a capacity, which needs to

704
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:08,260
have the ability to continue to offer these services and expand in reasonable ways where

705
01:01:08,260 --> 01:01:08,780
necessary.

706
01:01:09,540 --> 01:01:14,440
This, again, is an existing use, which is occurring on campus.

707
01:01:15,580 --> 01:01:21,320
One of the uses, which is not existing, but I would suggest a small scope and make sense,

708
01:01:21,580 --> 01:01:24,680
given who was is and what was does, is a pharmacy.

709
01:01:25,980 --> 01:01:32,920
And I think the potential impact of a pharmacy, located internal to wood's campus, is negligible

710
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,440
to the township or any of its residents.

711
01:01:36,740 --> 01:01:42,960
The next item that is permitted via conditional use, which I think caused some confusions

712
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:48,760
So I want to take a second and note it is a retail store, but they maximum of 10,000 square feet

713
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,000
of gross floor area within the entire CDT district.

714
01:01:52,820 --> 01:01:57,320
So again, big picture, 10,000 square feet across over 100 acres.

715
01:01:58,380 --> 01:02:03,240
But once again, this is a use which is already occurring on Woods's campus.

716
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:09,640
Woods has three small businesses, yellow daffodil, which is a flower shop, woodswear, which

717
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:14,840
a print shop and common grounds, which is a cafe, I think in the aggregate, it's about

718
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:16,800
6,500 square feet.

719
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:25,580
So what we're discussing in the maximum scenario is an addition of around 3,500 square

720
01:02:25,580 --> 01:02:30,220
feet to permit retail stores on this campus.

721
01:02:30,220 --> 01:02:39,620
These stores help woods clients learn job skills in a safe and supported environment.

722
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:44,160
These are unfortunately presently in inadequate buildings.

723
01:02:45,820 --> 01:02:50,300
They need the ability if necessary to demolish one of those buildings

724
01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:55,540
and build a new building to offer these same or similar services.

725
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,480
Once again, I hate the blabber of the point, but I think it's important with this overlay.

726
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,160
This is a pre-existing use that's non-conforming on campus.

727
01:03:06,060 --> 01:03:13,140
We have a new use, but again, like the pharmacy use, I would suggest, has a limited impact.

728
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:20,660
And that is a family guest house, which we have noted, related to the mission and serving the needs of the institutional use,

729
01:03:21,620 --> 01:03:24,280
which is limited to no more than 10 rooms.

730
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:34,460
Again, I think this is obviously Woods mission-related 250 families don't know that the

731
01:03:34,460 --> 01:03:36,720
planning commission live far away from the campus.

732
01:03:37,860 --> 01:03:44,000
This is an option for housing for families who are coming to visit loved ones.

733
01:03:44,380 --> 01:03:50,760
It is low cost, it will be run by Woods, it has no impact whatsoever in a negative way

734
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,180
on the township or any of Woods's neighbors.

735
01:03:54,700 --> 01:03:59,680
And then finally, the only other non-residential use

736
01:04:00,020 --> 01:04:07,080
that this ordinance allows is a public or private educational use

737
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,980
in conjunction with the mission of the institutional uses.

738
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:16,520
So Woods, again, Crestwood School exists.

739
01:04:17,460 --> 01:04:24,420
building is approximately 70 years old, needs updating, might need replacement, might need

740
01:04:24,420 --> 01:04:28,520
minor expansion, not allowed right now in the R1 district.

741
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,440
It's a pre-existing use.

742
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:38,600
I just covered all of the non-residential uses that are allowed here, and I apologize

743
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:46,440
if I took a minute or two longer than was probably necessary, but I think it is really worth

744
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:58,240
reiterating the fact that this ordinance is woods. It's the woods campus. This is not

745
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:07,080
some green light to permit someone to come in here and remake middle town township. This

746
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:16,000
is an ordinance that, as I said, at the beginning, is mission driven, it allows was hope

747
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:22,500
to continue to be such an important partner to the Middletown Township community.

748
01:05:24,100 --> 01:05:31,650
And that was our goal at the beginning when we, again, two years ago, started trying to

749
01:05:31,650 --> 01:05:38,150
what an ordinance would look like, that is where we have ended up with the non-residential

750
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:44,970
uses, and then the rest of the ordinance we crafted, I'll get back to the comment about

751
01:05:44,970 --> 01:05:50,490
the conditional use, but we crafted performance standards and development requirements that

752
01:05:50,490 --> 01:05:57,830
we think, again, provide flexibility on the townshipsend during the conditional use process,

753
01:05:57,830 --> 01:06:03,170
but we're green energy forward, had a number of design standards to protect the

754
01:06:03,170 --> 01:06:10,490
township as well. We put a lot of time into this and we think it's a good

755
01:06:10,490 --> 01:06:14,750
ordinance. We believe in the ordinance we believe in woods and I would like

756
01:06:14,750 --> 01:06:21,130
to have Eric just briefly address the supervisors regarding this from an

757
01:06:21,130 --> 01:06:25,450
engineering standpoint and I do want to know actually just as a very quick

758
01:06:25,450 --> 01:06:37,170
Housekeeping item. One of the comments that came up at the Planning Commission, which we indicated we were fine modifying was on page 4.

759
01:06:37,390 --> 01:06:40,570
Again, we understand that open space is an important component in the Township.

760
01:06:41,330 --> 01:06:55,430
I think Mr. Tantalla made a request to modify at 22054C reasonable efforts to best efforts and we're agreeable to that with respect to incorporating open space amenities within the city.

761
01:06:55,430 --> 01:07:04,670
like design, and then we, when we flip to page seven, for non-residential uses, there was

762
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:13,250
a suggested cap of impervious surface ratio of 75% and we are requesting or suggesting whatever

763
01:07:13,250 --> 01:07:17,690
the appropriate verbages to reduce that to 60%.

764
01:07:17,690 --> 01:07:24,570
We do not need, I think the 75% was correlated to some of the prior uses and prior iteration

765
01:07:24,570 --> 01:07:27,770
of the ordinance and that is not necessary for this moving forward.

766
01:07:28,010 --> 01:07:29,270
So those are the two.

767
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:43,480
Minor amendments that we are requesting in conjunction with the ordinance, but I appreciate you listening and taking your time this evening to consider this, and I know the entire wood's team is appreciative as well.

768
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,160
So with that, I'd just like to have Eric address the supervisors.

769
01:07:48,060 --> 01:07:59,080
I'm sorry, I just want to mention one other minor revision that was suggested I think we should do is on page two under A1.

770
01:07:59,080 --> 01:07:59,500
Yes.

771
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:05,140
This is a professional office where it's limited to 50% in the clarification that will be based

772
01:08:05,140 --> 01:08:06,620
on square footage.

773
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:07,580
That's correct.

774
01:08:07,900 --> 01:08:14,100
Mr. Tantel also suggested that and that's just a clarification as it's drafted and we're

775
01:08:14,100 --> 01:08:14,920
agreeable to that.

776
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:15,320
Yes.

777
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:15,600
Thank you.

778
01:08:15,780 --> 01:08:16,140
Mr. President.

779
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:19,380
Thank you.

780
01:08:21,860 --> 01:08:22,340
Good evening.

781
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,980
Eric Lace from Gilmourn Associates, the site civil and the project.

782
01:08:25,980 --> 01:08:33,980
Uh, in considering the development requirements, which is on page four of the overlay ordinance section 2205-4.

783
01:08:35,380 --> 01:08:41,240
Uh, the theme of the overlay ordinances to consider the 113 acres as an overall track.

784
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:50,880
Uh, so as each individual land development would come before you, there would be a tracking mechanism, whether it be resources, impervious, et cetera.

785
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,260
But the overall track is always going to be held to the standard.

786
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,100
So that I wanted to start with that.

787
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:05,440
So under 22.05.4A, there's a threshold that not more than 90% of the overall track

788
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:09,940
could either be residential or non-residential, but it could be somewhere in between.

789
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:17,460
There will be common roads, there could be common stormwater facilities, pedestrian connections.

790
01:09:18,460 --> 01:09:31,780
So all in all, the theme of again is the overall track is considered but within that track you can't have 90 percent more than 90 percent of non-residential and not more than 90 percent of non-residential.

791
01:09:31,780 --> 01:09:44,780
B. In each individual phase, again, we could come through with a land development that may not meet one of the requirements completely, but the overall tract will always have to meet it.

792
01:09:45,260 --> 01:09:57,780
So with each land development submission, there's going to be a master plan. The township will have that master plan as updated with each submission. So the township can know that the end of the day, all 113 acres will meet all requirements.

793
01:09:57,780 --> 01:10:01,820
like I said, each individual land development might not meet it on its own.

794
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:07,280
It's like a trade here, a trade there, but the overall track will always meet the requirements.

795
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:18,000
Number three, as Mike stated, all the best of reason I hope best efforts will be made to provide open space,

796
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:23,980
which include passive lawn areas, sidewalks, trails, greenways, landscaping,

797
01:10:23,980 --> 01:10:27,520
pocket parks, gardens, water features, gazeboes, et cetera.

798
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,300
Those efforts will be made with each individual land development.

799
01:10:31,900 --> 01:10:34,900
And again, every land development that comes in front of you

800
01:10:34,900 --> 01:10:36,560
with the exception of the apartment buildings

801
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:37,760
a conditional use.

802
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,300
So you have to say, every land development that

803
01:10:41,300 --> 01:10:43,900
comes in front of the board, you can add conditions

804
01:10:43,900 --> 01:10:46,940
that apply what you're looking for.

805
01:10:47,340 --> 01:10:52,580
Under D, which is 22.05.4D is the natural resources.

806
01:10:52,580 --> 01:10:57,180
The natural resources will be calculated on an overall tract area.

807
01:10:57,860 --> 01:11:10,340
So when we're doing the calculations, you will have the comfort that all 113 acres will meet the natural resource requirements on page 5 now, which is buffers.

808
01:11:11,460 --> 01:11:15,800
All efforts will be made to work with the township on providing buffers.

809
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:21,100
Now, the buffers we are talking about as part of this ordinance is the overall tract.

810
01:11:21,100 --> 01:11:27,980
internal to the Woods campus, there may be some desire for the Woods people to provide

811
01:11:27,980 --> 01:11:33,500
buffers between certain uses, but for the overall township we're talking about buffering

812
01:11:33,500 --> 01:11:39,120
the overall track from roadways, adjacent properties, et cetera.

813
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:46,200
F, stormwater management, stormwater management will be an approach to meet township requirements,

814
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,900
the EP requirements, but also using best management practices.

815
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:57,520
G. With this design, there's going to be cross easements. There will be green spaces, natural

816
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:05,240
resources. Again, the theme here is it's an overall 113 acre overlay district. It'll be

817
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:10,700
the overall tract. So we will have all the pieces will be interworking together.

818
01:12:22,290 --> 01:12:23,510
And that's

819
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:25,730
to their formal presentation, Mr. McGunis?

820
01:12:26,090 --> 01:12:27,690
No, that's, that's, we'd be happy to.

821
01:12:29,530 --> 01:12:31,510
Okay, questions in the board.

822
01:12:35,650 --> 01:12:36,470
I have a couple of questions.

823
01:12:37,970 --> 01:12:40,750
You had said phase one of the apartments.

824
01:12:41,970 --> 01:12:43,770
Can you just walk me through that?

825
01:12:43,890 --> 01:12:45,490
I was looking at the review letters,

826
01:12:45,730 --> 01:12:49,390
and one of the review letters from the Bucks County Planning Commission

827
01:12:50,350 --> 01:12:55,570
was to reduce the amount of units from 75 downward.

828
01:12:56,910 --> 01:13:02,830
So I know this is a little bit higher than I think what the initial one was so can you walk

829
01:13:02,830 --> 01:13:08,150
through that 75 and it says no more than one building would that be an addition to phase two

830
01:13:08,150 --> 01:13:10,090
would be added on to that building?

831
01:13:10,670 --> 01:13:16,750
So I'll let Eric detail what phase two looks like but phase one is 42 units.

832
01:13:16,750 --> 01:13:24,910
We have a proposal of 29, 1 Bedroom units, 8, 2 Bedroom and 5, 3 Bedroom.

833
01:13:25,410 --> 01:13:30,750
I believe the initial building that was proposed a couple of years ago was also 42 units.

834
01:13:32,050 --> 01:13:36,910
Phase 2 is going to be, we have projected 28.

835
01:13:37,410 --> 01:13:41,110
So a little less than the 75 together it would be 70 units.

836
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:51,070
And the split that we have now would be 16-1 bedroom, 8-2 bedroom, and 4-3 bedroom is the proposed break down in phase 2.

837
01:13:51,530 --> 01:13:55,350
And then Eric, if you want to discuss what phase 2 would look like if it's built.

838
01:13:55,870 --> 01:13:57,330
I don't know that we have the metal broke.

839
01:13:57,530 --> 01:14:01,890
Slide, but I think it basically would form a U essentially.

840
01:14:02,850 --> 01:14:07,770
So the phase 2 would be connected to the phase 1 structure and would look almost like a U.

841
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:18,740
And then walk me through, so one of the things I was concerned with, and it looked like the review letters were as well as the next building height.

842
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:25,260
Is that necessarily the four stories necessary for that building height?

843
01:14:25,620 --> 01:14:34,100
Yeah, we've looked at this, I mean, I think about four years ago when we initially submitted the application the zoning.

844
01:14:34,100 --> 01:14:41,160
And the design we have laid out here with our consulting team is very convinced that the

845
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,940
four floor design is the most appropriate design.

846
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:53,380
What I tried to hit at understanding, even if it would be disingenuous, I agreed with

847
01:14:53,380 --> 01:14:57,900
the concerns that the zoning hearing board, which were expressed, but I understand the concerns

848
01:14:57,900 --> 01:14:59,960
at the zone of hearing board with a prox...

849
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,480
Assembly to where that building was proposed, and its location, vis-à-vis other residential properties.

850
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:23,200
Here, by having it relocated internal to the wood campus, one of the things that I hit on at the outset was, generally, the reason why you have a larger minimum acreage

851
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:28,000
that's tethered to the building height is to make sure that a structure that is built that

852
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:34,820
is going to be large is not sufficiently close to an adjoining property so as to disturb the

853
01:15:34,820 --> 01:15:40,020
view shed. Here we're in a unique situation. I think the entire ordinance is a little unique because

854
01:15:40,020 --> 01:15:47,320
woods as neighbors are woods in that location. So I obviously, in bias, but I'm not as concerned

855
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:54,020
about a four story building in that area because there is no negative impact in terms of the

856
01:15:54,020 --> 01:15:57,980
view and the height with respect to any adjoining parcels.

857
01:15:59,940 --> 01:16:07,160
All right, one of the things that I've been I guess most concerned with the overlay is just the

858
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,280
amount of impervious that's allowed versus what's allowed today.

859
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:19,140
Do you have the calculations of what currently the percent impervious is of the overlay today?

860
01:16:19,380 --> 01:16:22,320
It's approximately 26 and a half percent.

861
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:23,200
26 and a half.

862
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:28,020
Within the area that's covered in this overlay district, correct?

863
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:36,860
And why I thought why we thought it was appropriate to reduce the impervious surface percentage

864
01:16:36,860 --> 01:16:43,380
downward is when we were looking at the mixed use development because of the nature of that

865
01:16:43,380 --> 01:16:49,000
development it necessitated I think a higher impervious surface percentage looking at your

866
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:56,080
ordinance I think for example the shopping center the CS district is 60% the M1 district I believe

867
01:16:56,080 --> 01:17:04,780
is 60% a lot of the non-residential zoning districts are either 50 or 60% so that's where I thought

868
01:17:04,780 --> 01:17:10,820
It made sense to reduce it from 75 to 60 because I think a concern was probably correct that

869
01:17:10,820 --> 01:17:12,700
75 is a little bit much.

870
01:17:13,420 --> 01:17:20,380
But obviously, Woods values the green space as a amenity to its employees and to its clients.

871
01:17:20,620 --> 01:17:24,800
We're going to do everything we can to maximize the green space, buffering, foliage, et cetera

872
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:25,660
on this property.

873
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:32,540
But we put the maximum percentage in there to correlate to the other, what I would suggest

874
01:17:32,540 --> 01:17:36,720
of the other zoning districts in the township that envisioned non-residential.

875
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:46,240
Now, in the review letters, there's a lot of impacts studies that they talk through the

876
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:52,160
National Resources Protection Standards, the Transportation Impact and the Physical Impact.

877
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:56,840
So can you walk us through why those aren't included yet?

878
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:06,560
Well, we did submit impact studies but the practical reality of that is that is a moving

879
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:12,860
target with the overlay and what I mean by that is in a theoretical world that we know

880
01:18:12,860 --> 01:18:22,580
is not occurring if the result of this was to build five new office buildings that naturally

881
01:18:22,580 --> 01:18:32,640
has a different impact on the township than if there was a pharmacy and another medical office building that was constructed.

882
01:18:33,300 --> 01:18:39,640
Since there is no development that is proposed at this time with the ordinance other than the apartment building,

883
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:45,820
providing a traffic impact or a fiscal impact is entirely speculative.

884
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:49,180
I wouldn't even know where to begin was something that is truly substantive.

885
01:18:49,180 --> 01:18:53,400
So what we're doing and what we're suggesting to do, and again, that's how it's related

886
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:57,880
to the conditional use, is with each portion of the development that comes through.

887
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:03,560
We are certainly happy to supplement and to provide specific facts and figures economic

888
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:08,500
environmental traffic impact for the township and township staff and consultants to analyze.

889
01:19:08,980 --> 01:19:14,160
But at this point, since we do not have development proposed, that was something that we did

890
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:22,400
submit, but we don't think substantively will be sufficient without supplementation at each

891
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:23,700
phase of the development.

892
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:33,400
Can you walk me through the reduction from the total overlay to just the 1337?

893
01:19:33,740 --> 01:19:33,920
Sure.

894
01:19:33,980 --> 01:19:38,880
Because one of the things that I guess concerns me is that we're removing the lands that are

895
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:44,920
and most forced it and most applicable for open space preservation.

896
01:19:46,900 --> 01:19:50,260
So, we can put it if someone doesn't mind it back on the screen.

897
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:59,880
I would, if I can suggest, I think from the township's perspective, and is, I believe

898
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:03,140
you're probably talking about the bottom right portion on the screen.

899
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:33,940
So, my, again, my position on that is that is to the township's benefit, and the reason is if and when those parcels were included in the overlay was what have the ability to modify those parcels to develop those parcels potentially subject to the provisions in this ordinance by keeping those parcels in the R1 district we can't touch them.

900
01:20:33,940 --> 01:20:37,220
It doesn't mean that through a conditional use process because they're

901
01:20:37,220 --> 01:20:41,340
owned and controlled by woods that would couldn't volunteer some

902
01:20:41,340 --> 01:20:44,120
restrictive provision to say, well, you know,

903
01:20:44,180 --> 01:20:47,360
parcel ex were willing to put into a conservation easement.

904
01:20:47,380 --> 01:20:49,300
We're not precluded from doing that.

905
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:53,100
But by removing those from the overlay ordinance, it provides an

906
01:20:53,100 --> 01:20:56,700
additional assurance on the township's end that those parcels

907
01:20:56,700 --> 01:21:02,540
are not going to be modified, absent a change in zoning or zoning

908
01:21:02,540 --> 01:21:07,940
variants. We still have the obligation for the improved portions of the parcels highlighted

909
01:21:07,940 --> 01:21:15,500
in red to provide open space with our best efforts during the development process, but

910
01:21:15,500 --> 01:21:20,860
it doesn't preclude us if the township would like to, again, for the bottom right parcel,

911
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:26,200
to keep that wooded conservation easements, open space, et cetera. It just removes

912
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,580
sort of ability to develop it.

913
01:21:29,020 --> 01:21:34,240
So when we decided to take out in particular the parcel

914
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:37,880
on the Plan South East, we did that because we thought

915
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,720
that was a good overture to the township saying

916
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,860
that is a undeveloped predominantly,

917
01:21:44,340 --> 01:21:45,740
undeveloped portion of the campus.

918
01:21:46,440 --> 01:21:49,620
We want to keep it that way and our assurance to you

919
01:21:49,620 --> 01:21:51,020
that is going to remain that way

920
01:21:51,020 --> 01:21:52,580
is to not have it in the ordinance.

921
01:21:53,140 --> 01:21:55,840
But if we're submitting a conditional use application

922
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:00,420
and there was a suggestion that, hey, maybe a couple acres in that portion need to be explicitly

923
01:22:00,420 --> 01:22:03,680
preserved. That is not anything we're precluded from doing.

924
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:11,900
Okay, so that was actually at my point, right? Because it says in the open space, a lot of the,

925
01:22:11,900 --> 01:22:17,460
hey, if we can't do it within the particular parcel, we can do it within the district, which means

926
01:22:17,460 --> 01:22:21,320
those are kind of specifically carved out. So that was my one concern.

927
01:22:25,550 --> 01:22:29,970
Well, I have a question. Can you talk about the actual units you say?

928
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:39,820
Some are one bedroom, two bedroom, three bedroom, some are dedicated to the patients or the residents

929
01:22:39,820 --> 01:22:44,620
that live there providing them for managed housing, correct?

930
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:52,040
Okay. Can you talk about that? How do you determine what units there will be in? Is it one, two, or three

931
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:59,480
bedrooms? How is that going to be managed? Is there an outside company that manages that and what does that

932
01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:00,700
So,

933
01:23:06,450 --> 01:23:13,710
through the PHFA process, we are required to use a third party entity as a property manager.

934
01:23:14,590 --> 01:23:18,970
That entity has to apply with all, comply with all of the fair housing.

935
01:23:20,410 --> 01:23:27,110
So, any individual, we have nine units earmarked for people with intellectual disabilities, autism or traumatic brain injury.

936
01:23:28,410 --> 01:23:33,750
Any individual who has one of those diagnosis would be eligible to apply to live there.

937
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:37,590
We are hoping because we have over 24 apartments that we

938
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:40,670
run at market rate, apartments in town homes, that a good number

939
01:23:40,670 --> 01:23:42,950
of the individuals we already support would be interested.

940
01:23:43,010 --> 01:23:44,710
And we know that some are interested in applying.

941
01:23:45,650 --> 01:23:48,690
They would go through the process with everybody else, the ones

942
01:23:48,690 --> 01:23:51,790
that are earmarked for us, would go through the property management

943
01:23:51,790 --> 01:23:54,290
and to deal with the support of their case manager

944
01:23:54,290 --> 01:23:58,550
to make sure that they get a unit or the apartment that they want.

945
01:23:58,990 --> 01:24:03,130
A number of our individuals do cohabitate with a roommate.

946
01:24:03,130 --> 01:24:16,090
So, some might want to choose a two-bedroom unit, we have some better in the Terrence and Town homes that might want to go over with all three or room with somebody else, that it'll be managed by third party entity.

947
01:24:17,830 --> 01:24:20,630
And who do the other units go to, who are they meant for?

948
01:24:21,410 --> 01:24:30,730
They're all attainable housing, affordable housing, and they would go to anybody in the community who would be eligible to apply based on income.

949
01:24:31,630 --> 01:24:35,750
And they all go through that they all have to go through the third party property manager would

950
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:38,510
it does not have any say and any of that.

951
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:40,980
Thank you.

952
01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:47,990
Other questions from the board.

953
01:24:48,990 --> 01:24:53,890
What I'm going to do this before we get into a motion, I think it makes sense to take public

954
01:24:53,890 --> 01:24:56,010
comment now on this particular agenda item.

955
01:24:56,510 --> 01:24:58,390
So I'm going to ask if there are any members of the public.

956
01:24:58,670 --> 01:25:02,970
We did have a sign-in sheet, but I don't know that folks specifically signed up based on the agenda item.

957
01:25:03,530 --> 01:25:04,790
So let us ask you to come up one at a time.

958
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:07,250
if you have public comment or questions in this specific item,

959
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:08,210
please step up to the microphone,

960
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:09,310
state your name and address.

961
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:14,300
Look at him, okay?

962
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:19,020
Joey Mac 2, 52, 57, Southwest on Street,

963
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,900
Langhorn P.A., I'm here to represent myself

964
01:25:21,900 --> 01:25:24,820
in two nice little girls who are from Langhorn community.

965
01:25:26,180 --> 01:25:27,760
And actually for the last 30 years,

966
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:29,420
we kind of got beat up in Langhorn,

967
01:25:29,460 --> 01:25:30,760
but a boy's Langhorn, okay?

968
01:25:31,220 --> 01:25:35,440
And I can tell that story in some time on the about it.

969
01:25:36,180 --> 01:25:40,820
And by the way, and I'm just one for the record, I'm a national urban design expert, okay?

970
01:25:41,780 --> 01:25:47,700
I'm a guy who comes to your town and you tell me, I do a study of your town like

971
01:25:47,700 --> 01:25:48,620
I guess he's your town.

972
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,220
Myself and some my daughters and some other people from the community.

973
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:57,180
We did an urban design plan from George School to the Boon Farm.

974
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:01,360
We did the history, we read the book on the Boon Farm, okay?

975
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,480
And then we did the history of Maldives was,

976
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:09,720
Bellevue Avenue, we did the history of LINE-1, 1692, OK?

977
01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:12,260
And so we kind of tell a story.

978
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:17,160
But we're also also in architecture, OK, in design.

979
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,940
And less five years, OK?

980
01:26:21,940 --> 01:26:25,680
Well, actually, one Oliver Hackman closed in 2016, OK?

981
01:26:25,780 --> 01:26:28,060
We met with Oliver Hackman, we were

982
01:26:28,060 --> 01:26:34,180
looking at buying that school with a friend of mine from King of Prussia, and then when we heard

983
01:26:34,620 --> 01:26:38,600
I had a medical problem, I was at a work for year and a half, so I missed the opportunity

984
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:39,200
for that.

985
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:47,880
But we wanted, in the giving a little, I worked in Long Island, from Long Island to, I mean from

986
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:54,000
be shaving to Long Island, I worked from main department stores, Lord and Tower, okay, I was

987
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,600
in charge of hiring a new real estate rep,

988
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,700
training a new real estate rep in corporate real estate,

989
01:27:00,700 --> 01:27:02,260
a real estate manager, every lawyer.

990
01:27:02,900 --> 01:27:07,320
My job was great job in 2000, I took this job.

991
01:27:07,780 --> 01:27:10,260
Actually, I lived on 425 Belvia Avenue,

992
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:14,420
and they hired me to study all the essential business districts

993
01:27:14,940 --> 01:27:15,680
in the Northeast.

994
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:18,280
I did two articles for New York Times

995
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:20,680
when the future of our essential business districts.

996
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:28,860
My boss was a CEO of Woolworth, okay, and we used to talk about how communities don't connect to their essential business history.

997
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:30,940
You know, we walkable by gravel.

998
01:27:31,940 --> 01:27:32,340
Communities.

999
01:27:32,940 --> 01:27:36,060
When we did our study, too, when we did the study from George School,

1000
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:40,660
we took the time to look at your new multi-notal improvement program.

1001
01:27:40,660 --> 01:27:43,160
We didn't each section, okay.

1002
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:50,000
And, you know, I tell people, and when you come to a community, the first thing we wanted

1003
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:55,300
to do from value avenue and lying on was to walking past two to shops of flowers miller.

1004
01:27:56,140 --> 01:28:00,960
In 1995, I came in here from Long Island, okay?

1005
01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:05,220
And I noticed that property was settled in the corner, and I called the real estate broker

1006
01:28:05,220 --> 01:28:06,240
and I got it on the agreement.

1007
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:11,580
Myself and my friends in the industry was I put the shops of flowers, and I got 100%.

1008
01:28:11,580 --> 01:28:39,060
Okay, I also worked with Ernie Bewell, Bewell Field, okay, when that was here, and I worked with Disney, if you want to know about me, look up Disney celebration, it's a playing community, I worked with Anna's abortion, Sesameplace, we wanted to relocate Sesameplace, off a route one behind the shops, the flowers, and put walking pass, you can walk from a 55 number development to the village, we wanted to get them how they actually got them,

1009
01:28:39,700 --> 01:28:42,400
But then we got crushed by some people, whatever,

1010
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:45,920
but I did get the shops of flowers, no one.

1011
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,060
But then yeah, I wanted to,

1012
01:28:49,140 --> 01:28:51,980
when we do a project like this in Urban Design,

1013
01:28:52,180 --> 01:28:54,480
we tell the histories of the community.

1014
01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:57,660
And like with Disney said, we look at the architecture.

1015
01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:59,920
We wanted to design the architecture on Bellevue

1016
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:02,840
who I have to, also all over Hackman,

1017
01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:04,480
but the walking pasting.

1018
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:08,580
And then do a town square on the corner of Maple

1019
01:29:08,580 --> 01:29:13,480
have, you know, and flowers, no roof. Okay. But we wanted to do it. So the architecture

1020
01:29:13,480 --> 01:29:19,560
is part of the historic community. And everybody gets to see the table. Okay. I put

1021
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,660
together. I put together.

1022
01:29:35,820 --> 01:29:40,960
But I am here to comment on what service for the last five years.

1023
01:29:41,580 --> 01:29:46,580
Okay. This is just going on for 30 years. Last five years. Every time we try to call somebody

1024
01:29:46,580 --> 01:29:57,380
We try to get a hold, we want to call with the service, we call it done time, we call it Simon Cummins office, we want the Frank Fairies office.

1025
01:29:57,940 --> 01:29:59,980
We never got one return phone call.

1026
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,040
We saw that they hired curing and timber lake architects in Philadelphia in 2020. We finally called them.

1027
01:30:08,220 --> 01:30:14,020
They called us back. They said, well, it doesn't use this anymore, because I'm the guy that gets, I take care and

1028
01:30:14,780 --> 01:30:19,280
the landscape architects. We designed all the buildings we go and

1029
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:25,160
tell you I have you and you know to to the shops as well but I'm

1030
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:29,620
beyond us we this isn't a way to do it. The community should be involved.

1031
01:30:29,940 --> 01:30:33,200
The kids should be involved. We wanted to include the high school students

1032
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:38,160
from the Shamani, from George School and Holy Family University and

1033
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:43,940
County University. We never had that opportunity. We got we got ignored by

1034
01:30:44,900 --> 01:30:54,520
I don't know what the problem is, but when my grain, my grain's daughter calls you calm back, engage with him.

1035
01:30:54,740 --> 01:30:57,940
We went to Frank Ferry's office, we got no return phone loss.

1036
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:02,120
I'm on record five years, but we sent him certified letters, too.

1037
01:31:02,220 --> 01:31:03,100
We never got a phone call.

1038
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:05,060
I grew up here.

1039
01:31:05,780 --> 01:31:07,160
My grandfather was a little one.

1040
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:10,320
He was an architect for your studies of Philly.

1041
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,700
He designed Pendel Burrow Police Barrage.

1042
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:14,560
He designed the league grade school,

1043
01:31:15,460 --> 01:31:17,200
and a lot of those stuff in Philadelphia.

1044
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:20,880
But I love architecture, a muscle, a national retailer.

1045
01:31:21,340 --> 01:31:24,060
I'm the guy that talks to all the tenants.

1046
01:31:24,820 --> 01:31:27,140
I had two great tenants for the area,

1047
01:31:27,420 --> 01:31:28,660
so I picked the local tenants.

1048
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,460
I negotiated all the leases.

1049
01:31:31,820 --> 01:31:35,120
So, for example, good news court in Langwon, in Newtown.

1050
01:31:35,620 --> 01:31:37,520
The good news family called me.

1051
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,000
I signed the agreement on July 5th.

1052
01:31:40,220 --> 01:31:42,860
I broke around on December 15th, the same year.

1053
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:44,760
The community liked it.

1054
01:31:44,820 --> 01:31:46,680
We engaged with all the community.

1055
01:31:46,940 --> 01:31:49,360
They liked the architecture that we're all part of.

1056
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:52,200
We had a contest on the Irish pub.

1057
01:31:52,500 --> 01:31:54,880
It had to be a really good looking Irish pub.

1058
01:31:56,540 --> 01:31:58,800
We did that 100, 100, 75 days.

1059
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:00,440
Because we know we're doing it.

1060
01:32:01,540 --> 01:32:03,600
We wanted to be part of the solution.

1061
01:32:03,660 --> 01:32:06,020
Read the six pages there.

1062
01:32:06,020 --> 01:32:16,420
And it's unfortunate we never, you know, never going to, again, I think I know what the problem is, but, you know, again, we're getting ignored by the community. So it's all I got to say.

1063
01:32:18,820 --> 01:32:22,500
Thank you. Other public comment on this agenda item? Yes, ma'am.

1064
01:32:23,780 --> 01:32:24,740
Okay, you next Mr. Bruno.

1065
01:32:28,660 --> 01:32:34,440
I've been, I've been following this for quite a long time.

1066
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:37,600
And I was at the planning commissioners meeting the other night.

1067
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:42,560
And I'm sure that you all know that all five of the unanimously, unanimously, turn this

1068
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:42,960
stamp.

1069
01:32:43,480 --> 01:32:46,940
They're finding them to be deceitful and untrue in their statements.

1070
01:32:47,940 --> 01:32:52,320
My biggest remark here is, they're going to do 68 apartment buildings.

1071
01:32:53,180 --> 01:32:59,820
Nine of them are going to be for wood's services, the rest of them, which is what 59 or so.

1072
01:33:00,540 --> 01:33:02,260
They're going to rent to outsiders.

1073
01:33:03,140 --> 01:33:07,580
So I don't understand why they need to build 68 apartments.

1074
01:33:08,500 --> 01:33:10,140
If they're only going to have 9 for their people,

1075
01:33:10,340 --> 01:33:12,600
why can't they build an apartment building with 10,

1076
01:33:13,020 --> 01:33:14,240
and just how's their own?

1077
01:33:14,660 --> 01:33:18,160
Why are we bringing people in from maybe Philadelphia,

1078
01:33:19,300 --> 01:33:21,200
wherever to fill these?

1079
01:33:21,500 --> 01:33:22,680
Because they're low income.

1080
01:33:23,340 --> 01:33:26,700
So to qualify, their income has to be under a certain amount of money.

1081
01:33:27,020 --> 01:33:29,520
I don't know that anybody in the neighborhood can qualify

1082
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:34,600
anybody in here, their children. They probably make just a little bit more that it takes

1083
01:33:35,420 --> 01:33:37,500
to be qualified for those apartments.

1084
01:33:39,700 --> 01:33:43,240
Along with that, those units that are not,

1085
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:50,220
59 or 60 units that are outsiders that are coming into our community, what is the chance

1086
01:33:50,220 --> 01:33:55,720
that they might prey on those handicapped people over there? I think the other night the room

1087
01:33:55,720 --> 01:34:01,320
was packed with the planning commissioner from everyone in the neighborhood who was against

1088
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:06,820
this. Unfortunately, those people didn't realize that from there it came here. That's why

1089
01:34:06,820 --> 01:34:12,440
they're not here this evening. But as a whole, the community is really against this. They're

1090
01:34:12,440 --> 01:34:17,680
against all that it's going to do and the harm that it's going to bring to the clients.

1091
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:24,180
It doesn't seem right in a fair. The planning commissioner, the other night, did a phenomenal

1092
01:34:24,180 --> 01:34:30,620
job of uncovering things that it's a shame that these didn't get to witness that because

1093
01:34:30,620 --> 01:34:38,280
it was really unbelievable how it went down. So I encourage you not to vote for this or let

1094
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:42,860
them have their way because they want this overlay and they're just going to continue to the

1095
01:34:42,860 --> 01:34:47,400
planning commission felt that they just wanted card blanche so to speak so they could do whatever

1096
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:51,080
or they wanted whenever they wanted, so thank you.

1097
01:34:52,730 --> 01:34:56,890
Can you talk to about how the people are going to use it

1098
01:34:56,890 --> 01:35:00,750
in outside source was going to select the residents

1099
01:35:00,750 --> 01:35:01,670
that would come in?

1100
01:35:01,890 --> 01:35:03,230
Is there a certain amount of residents

1101
01:35:03,230 --> 01:35:06,130
that have to be from middle town?

1102
01:35:11,420 --> 01:35:16,660
So let me just respond and debunk one of them this there.

1103
01:35:17,260 --> 01:35:20,720
So there are 42 units in phase one that are planned nine,

1104
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:25,540
20% is the earmark through PHFA for individuals with disabilities.

1105
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:30,840
If there were to be a phase two and there would be 70 units, phase two would also be a

1106
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:35,760
PHFA funded program and would also have to have an earmark.

1107
01:35:36,260 --> 01:35:41,280
So the total number of units would be 20% of the additional 30 if phase two ever came to

1108
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:41,620
fruition.

1109
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:44,740
So it's not just nine units.

1110
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:50,340
I also want to comment, I don't think that folks realize

1111
01:35:50,340 --> 01:35:59,400
I think when people envision the woods residents, they have a particular vision, they also have that of our staff.

1112
01:36:00,940 --> 01:36:10,580
We have more homes that we serve in Langhorn Falls, Bristol Townships than we do actually on the campus now.

1113
01:36:10,580 --> 01:36:20,320
We have more than 60 people who live in apartments safely in our B2NR rehab program, they live independently.

1114
01:36:21,420 --> 01:36:25,500
They have been out there in the community for the 28 years that I have been at woods.

1115
01:36:26,340 --> 01:36:30,360
So, we are not getting reports that they are getting prayed upon now.

1116
01:36:30,820 --> 01:36:34,480
I can't imagine when they are closer to us that they are going to be prayed upon.

1117
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:39,320
What we hope, none of those units that they are right now are fully accessible.

1118
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:43,640
We're going to have more than eight units, I think, total that are fully accessible.

1119
01:36:44,300 --> 01:36:49,000
So our individuals who ambulate by wheelchair or walker or a new track systems currently

1120
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:53,900
will be able to live nearly fully autonomous in those apartments that don't currently

1121
01:36:53,900 --> 01:36:55,420
meet their needs now.

1122
01:36:55,780 --> 01:36:58,440
So I just wanted to offer that up.

1123
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:05,140
As far as how they're selected, they'll be able to apply because of the way that they

1124
01:37:05,140 --> 01:37:11,260
are supported through Reshab program dollars Medicaid, they'll be applying through that third

1125
01:37:11,260 --> 01:37:13,200
party entity to be eligible.

1126
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:18,520
We obviously will be working with them to make sure that they know where to look as far

1127
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:23,740
as the diagnostic criteria, but we cannot make sure that indivisible.

1128
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:43,760
Or a certain percentage of them are under the way the PHFA is structured legally. You can't do that. We can't say that they're all going to be of a certain age, either, or look a certain way, or just not allowed to do that.

1129
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:57,260
Do you know how they, I'm sure there's more that apply than apartments available? Do you know how that they go about deciding who gets an apartment and who doesn't?

1130
01:37:57,260 --> 01:37:58,700
I do not know.

1131
01:38:00,740 --> 01:38:04,500
Can I just ask, and maybe this question is better for Mr. McGinnis, but the other comment

1132
01:38:04,500 --> 01:38:07,660
that Ms. Grouse made, which I know is something that was raised at the Planning Commission

1133
01:38:07,660 --> 01:38:14,260
as well, which is this idea that the overlay will give would's carte blanche to do whatever

1134
01:38:14,260 --> 01:38:17,340
they want in the future, and this concern about how things will work going forward.

1135
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:21,780
Can you just talk about how the process would work going forward in the future as different

1136
01:38:21,780 --> 01:38:22,680
projects come along?

1137
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:28,620
And maybe also just differentiate how that is different from how the process would work today

1138
01:38:28,620 --> 01:38:30,240
if what's wanted to do the same project.

1139
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:31,660
Sure, absolutely.

1140
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:38,440
So next week, if the overlay didn't pass and Woods said,

1141
01:38:38,440 --> 01:38:42,440
you know what, we are servicing too many individuals

1142
01:38:42,440 --> 01:38:44,940
for our capacity for dental needs.

1143
01:38:45,340 --> 01:38:48,300
And they said, we need to build a 5,000 square foot

1144
01:38:48,300 --> 01:38:52,360
edition equipped with the appropriate medical equipment.

1145
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:55,000
That would get supplied to the township.

1146
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:56,920
The township would say this is not permitted

1147
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:02,160
as a use in the R1 district, and we would go to the zoning hearing board, which, again,

1148
01:39:03,480 --> 01:39:07,620
middle town has a very good zoning hearing board, but that is another bureaucratic

1149
01:39:07,620 --> 01:39:15,440
layer to any process which the vast majority of businesses and homeowners in the township

1150
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:21,340
do not have to go through when they are seeking a reasonable addition to their property because

1151
01:39:21,340 --> 01:39:25,120
the underlying zoning correlates to the use.

1152
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:30,300
So anything that would does whatsoever currently

1153
01:39:30,300 --> 01:39:32,780
has to go to the zoning area board, which

1154
01:39:32,780 --> 01:39:36,600
is an entirely different process, added expense,

1155
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:37,880
a different form of regulation.

1156
01:39:38,860 --> 01:39:42,140
And again, we've gotten comments that, well, what's

1157
01:39:42,140 --> 01:39:42,700
the big deal?

1158
01:39:43,500 --> 01:39:45,660
And the big deal is twofold.

1159
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:49,020
First, when we proposed the apartments before,

1160
01:39:49,020 --> 01:40:19,000
that was multiple nights of hearings, there was a different legal standard that's applied and there was a question at the planning commission, which we answered, I think, very candidly, that that process, and the legal burden and the pellet rights, anything that Woods does really could be tied up subsequently for two, three, four years that Woods needs on their campus as an amenity for Woods Klein.

1161
01:40:19,020 --> 01:40:29,480
And I think the concern, which is if this ordinance passes, that woods has free reign to do whatever it wants on his campus.

1162
01:40:29,620 --> 01:40:31,940
And we've tried to address that in two ways.

1163
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:40,540
First of all, as we indicated in the outset, we have massively reduced the scope, both in terms of the location of the parcels and in terms of the uses.

1164
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:44,180
But we have kept everything via conditional use.

1165
01:40:44,180 --> 01:40:52,660
So, in that same example, where there is a 5,000 square foot addition, we would have to submit that not only for land development, but through the conditional use process.

1166
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:59,560
We would submit it to the township and Mr. Kessler, Mr. Esposito's teens would review it for conformance with the ordinance.

1167
01:41:00,220 --> 01:41:06,880
They would issue review letters. We would have to come before the planning commission who would make recommendations and suggest conditions.

1168
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:13,140
Then we would have to come before the supervisors and not only would we have to do the things that every single land

1169
01:41:13,140 --> 01:41:17,620
Development application has to do which is conform with the stormwater regulations and the other

1170
01:41:17,620 --> 01:41:21,820
Regulations that are promulgated in your subdivision and land development ordinance

1171
01:41:21,820 --> 01:41:26,560
But the supervisors and the township consultants would have the ability to place

1172
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:27,480
reasonable

1173
01:41:27,480 --> 01:41:36,240
Restrictions and conditions on each application. So maybe one building that is entirely to the interior of Wood's campus

1174
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:44,840
It's like not need buffering from an adjacent parcel or two parcels that would zones, but maybe one building does need more buffering.

1175
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:50,260
And that is something where Professor Kessler, Mr. Esposito and the board would look at it and say,

1176
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:58,920
We think in order to approve this, as I'm speaking as the township at this point, you need to add 50 trees.

1177
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:01,380
you need to modify your landscape plan.

1178
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:03,680
You need to do any number of things

1179
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:07,620
that we would agree to or have to agree to

1180
01:42:07,620 --> 01:42:10,060
in order for that to be approved by the township.

1181
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:14,120
So there's an entire, another layer of regulation

1182
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:17,900
with this that the township still has in terms of oversight.

1183
01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:22,140
The only thing that's modified is we do not have to go

1184
01:42:22,140 --> 01:42:25,100
to the zoning hearing board, but we are replacing it

1185
01:42:25,100 --> 01:42:27,380
with providing additional oversight

1186
01:42:27,380 --> 01:42:31,680
to the supervisors that the supervisors ordinarily would not have.

1187
01:42:31,940 --> 01:42:39,640
And what I mean by that is if we were to receive a variance from the Zony Harry board for that same office use, for example,

1188
01:42:40,420 --> 01:42:48,580
then we would submit our land development application and not to use an example, but it was discussed earlier this evening with a different application.

1189
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:56,900
When the Zony Harry board grants relief, we would submit preliminary final land development and the supervisors may be constrained as to the conditions

1190
01:42:56,900 --> 01:42:59,600
that they could place under the existing zoning regimen.

1191
01:43:00,340 --> 01:43:02,900
If this is past, it's true.

1192
01:43:03,060 --> 01:43:04,840
We do not have to go to the zoning hearing board,

1193
01:43:05,380 --> 01:43:09,140
but you, as the board, have another layer of rights

1194
01:43:09,140 --> 01:43:11,260
and conditions that you could impose

1195
01:43:11,260 --> 01:43:15,200
via the conditional use process that does not currently exist.

1196
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:17,820
Thank you, Mr. Regan.

1197
01:43:17,820 --> 01:43:21,060
All right.

1198
01:43:21,260 --> 01:43:22,440
Any other public comments?

1199
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:23,160
Yeah, Mr. Bruno.

1200
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:33,040
I wrote it down, so I can be quick.

1201
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:34,980
Eric Bruno, seven nights we come.

1202
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:40,480
That was a great presentation and it all sounds great sort of like a creation of a

1203
01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:42,100
rejuvenation of the wood school.

1204
01:43:42,580 --> 01:43:43,560
Here's the problem.

1205
01:43:44,620 --> 01:43:46,160
I don't trust them.

1206
01:43:47,060 --> 01:43:49,260
For the last five years I've been coming to this board.

1207
01:43:49,860 --> 01:43:54,400
The wood school has been trying to create developments and and or selling off parcels

1208
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:59,000
two developers for increased density and commercial uses that we do not have the capacity

1209
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:00,840
for working in the township.

1210
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:10,340
So again, I've seen you here many times and forgive me if you're asking for this for an internal growth process and I just don't believe it.

1211
01:44:10,900 --> 01:44:20,980
But if you are going to approve this asked to readstone and overlay, I want a very tight leash.

1212
01:44:20,980 --> 01:44:24,820
If that means we have to push this motion and take a month to craft land and go to it,

1213
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:31,160
they will no longer, whether it will not allow this overlay to extend to anyone but the wood school.

1214
01:44:32,020 --> 01:44:33,180
Maybe that's what we have to do.

1215
01:44:33,660 --> 01:44:37,160
I want no back doors to cart blanche.

1216
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:40,420
Frankly, it should be slowed down by the bureaucraccy,

1217
01:44:40,500 --> 01:44:43,300
about the bureaucraccy process that Mr. Regus was talking about.

1218
01:44:43,780 --> 01:44:47,400
That's how the township residents are protected.

1219
01:44:48,440 --> 01:44:49,440
That's it.

1220
01:44:50,100 --> 01:44:53,020
Thank you, Mr. Bruno. Other public comment.

1221
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:11,360
Look at the plan and I think would provide a lot of great services. Nothing in this plan says to me that they're trying to extend those services to their current clients.

1222
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:23,400
They, the nine, and I've said it before to you guys, the nine units or the 20 percent units is window dressing for you guys approving apartments that the community just doesn't want.

1223
01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:35,840
That's what it wants to do if we give them conditional use in their conditional use that they set it 90% up to 90% can be residential of this conditional use

1224
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:41,820
So while you guys have some say and how they develop this land none of that has to be a dental

1225
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:52,280
Building or a new pharmacy if they decide they just want to keep building apartments. I think that's where the community would have an issue and I think we'd be getting it on

1226
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:58,480
I said it at the Planning Commission the first night they presented this plan if they brought

1227
01:45:58,480 --> 01:46:02,880
to the zoning and the Planning Commission, hey, we want to build a demo office on wood services.

1228
01:46:03,500 --> 01:46:07,660
The issues that Mr. McGinnis is saying they would have are not exist. There's not a person

1229
01:46:07,660 --> 01:46:12,580
in the community that wouldn't say, man, that is great wood services providing more services

1230
01:46:12,580 --> 01:46:18,180
to their people. Nobody would step up and say a negative word about it. They probably asked

1231
01:46:18,180 --> 01:46:23,200
board to get every variance they could because it would be providing the services that these

1232
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:32,160
clients need what this is is a money grant that's what this is. So I believe they should go

1233
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:37,600
through the exact same process as everyone else and this should similar to what the zoning

1234
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:43,540
board did in the planning commission and they declined to approve it and I think you

1235
01:46:43,540 --> 01:46:49,760
I should agree with the people that you guys set up in those boards to give you guys counsel.

1236
01:46:50,940 --> 01:46:58,180
The other issue I have is, which is part of why I came here to speak tonight, part of

1237
01:46:58,180 --> 01:47:01,360
these departments, people are going to be going into our school district.

1238
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:07,140
So most recently at the school board are one of the committee meetings for the school board.

1239
01:47:07,480 --> 01:47:10,380
They did a 10 year capacity analysis.

1240
01:47:10,380 --> 01:47:16,840
So, to break it down pretty simple for you guys, I looked at student enrollment over the last eight years, okay.

1241
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:28,940
And starting 2017 up until about 2021, the Shemny School District average in total, K-312, about 93 to 94 hundred students.

1242
01:47:29,500 --> 01:47:34,140
Over the last four years that has jumped to around 98 to 99 hundred.

1243
01:47:34,140 --> 01:47:37,040
That's a lot of jump in four years.

1244
01:47:37,660 --> 01:47:39,120
I wonder why we jump that high.

1245
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:40,340
Look at all the development.

1246
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:43,500
That 10-year capacity study.

1247
01:47:43,900 --> 01:47:46,960
Well, I think the individual that did that study

1248
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:47,980
did a really good job.

1249
01:47:48,500 --> 01:47:50,700
They also left out a couple of developments,

1250
01:47:51,140 --> 01:47:53,800
or maybe just didn't know that they were approved,

1251
01:47:54,740 --> 01:47:57,420
that would have added even more to the numbers.

1252
01:47:58,000 --> 01:47:59,820
And we have a really critical issue

1253
01:47:59,820 --> 01:48:03,180
within the next five years in the Chinese school district

1254
01:48:03,180 --> 01:48:03,720
already.

1255
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:07,820
We don't even have to add any more people to our community, any more kids.

1256
01:48:08,220 --> 01:48:12,800
We have a critical issue where we're going to have to reorganize our elementary and middle

1257
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:18,440
schools, where the high school are probably not going to have enough room for our high school

1258
01:48:18,440 --> 01:48:24,980
kids. And this is at Max Capacity. We're talking classes. Sometimes I have 35 kids in a high school

1259
01:48:24,980 --> 01:48:30,540
class. Our kindergarten class is 25 kids. I don't know if you guys would familiar with education,

1260
01:48:30,540 --> 01:48:34,860
But the more the numbers go up, the less the education occurs in a classroom.

1261
01:48:35,480 --> 01:48:37,340
We are overburdening our teachers already.

1262
01:48:38,260 --> 01:48:42,640
So whether it's 10 units, whether it's 20 units, whether it's 100 units,

1263
01:48:43,300 --> 01:48:45,740
middle town, there's Germany school district, just can't take it.

1264
01:48:47,260 --> 01:48:52,480
If Woods wants to add additional housing for their clients, then they should do that.

1265
01:48:53,040 --> 01:49:00,400
And I think this board would probably listen to it,

1266
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:05,320
So why are we giving them an overlay that is somewhat of a car block?

1267
01:49:05,500 --> 01:49:08,320
Yeah, you guys have some oversight, but it is somewhat of a car block.

1268
01:49:08,940 --> 01:49:12,080
So I think it's disingenuous to say, hey, let's do this.

1269
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:17,640
So I don't see the benefit to middle-town township or the citizens of middle-town townships.

1270
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:21,480
I see all the benefits to wood services, which scares me.

1271
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:24,540
Similar to some of the people that spoke up here.

1272
01:49:24,940 --> 01:49:25,720
So thank you, Board.

1273
01:49:27,780 --> 01:49:52,960
Yeah, and I'm going to ask if somebody from woods maybe can address some of those comments as well because I think this is another thing that we've heard about this process, which is this idea that what is really happening here is just woods heading down a path of just converting to more and more residential or divesting itself a property and this is nothing to do with the long-term sustainability of the woods mission, this is just it's all about them being able to make more money to use their land in other ways.

1274
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:57,540
And I know there's been a lot of talk about the change in their model of curbs, care, model of the service.

1275
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:01,660
So I don't know if you can answer that or maybe somebody from woods can address that.

1276
01:50:02,220 --> 01:50:05,760
I can answer part of that and then maybe you can be supplemented.

1277
01:50:05,820 --> 01:50:10,620
One item that was discussed is apartments, plural.

1278
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:13,100
The ordinance is one apartment.

1279
01:50:14,180 --> 01:50:20,460
So the original iteration of the ordinance as it was proposed had the apartment used,

1280
01:50:20,460 --> 01:50:27,520
coupled with the other uses, we modified that in the current ordinance, which is pending

1281
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:28,260
before you.

1282
01:50:28,820 --> 01:50:35,180
So if that is a real concern that concern has been addressed, I will also note the comment

1283
01:50:35,180 --> 01:50:41,680
that or the suggestion, which is a comment suggestion that would should follow the same process

1284
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:43,900
that everyone else in the township follows.

1285
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:48,340
And my report to that is that is why we're here.

1286
01:50:48,340 --> 01:51:00,340
We're requesting this so that we can follow the same process that 90% of businesses or residential homeowners follow when they want to do something on their property.

1287
01:51:01,060 --> 01:51:06,320
What was has right now is the extreme anomaly, not the current situation.

1288
01:51:06,980 --> 01:51:16,960
This ordinance would allow us to go through the process the same way that 90% of the other property owners in the town should do already.

1289
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:29,700
But to the last question, and I welcome anyone on Woods's end to supplement this, our one permits housing already on this property.

1290
01:51:30,440 --> 01:51:42,940
And one of the things that I commented last week at the Planning Commission is, despite some concerns or comments to the contrary, we have tried to be incredibly transparent throughout this process.

1291
01:51:42,940 --> 01:52:04,380
So, when we came to the Planning Commission with the prior iteration of the ordinance, we brought the entity that we were selling the 20 acre parcel across from Flowers Mill to and disclosed to the township in advance of that ordinance being considered what our plans were.

1292
01:52:04,380 --> 01:52:12,310
instead of asking the township to consider an ordinance and then a couple of months after the ordinance passed theoretically

1293
01:52:13,580 --> 01:52:14,240
unveil

1294
01:52:14,240 --> 01:52:22,840
a large development project without disclosing that both to the township and to the members of the public. So I think we have been

1295
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:40,660
Woods wants to stay in middle town. Woods, again, I'm sure many of the members of the Woods team would be happy to answer any of those questions if the board has it.

1296
01:52:40,860 --> 01:52:45,620
But this ordinance is the exact opposite of what the concern is.

1297
01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:56,380
This ordinance is a shot in the arm in a positive direction to allow Woods to continue to thrive, grow and be viable here.

1298
01:52:56,380 --> 01:53:01,800
is not the opposite of that. Woods could turn and sell their entire campus tomorrow to

1299
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:08,460
somebody build single-family detached dwellings over the entire 237 odd acres that Woods controls.

1300
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:17,440
This is an ordinance that is Woods related. I challenge anybody to go through the non-residential

1301
01:53:17,440 --> 01:53:24,460
uses list and say that somehow this is a commercially driven financial driven ordinance at this point.

1302
01:53:24,460 --> 01:53:29,680
The uses are directly in furtherance of Woods's mission.

1303
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:37,300
This ordinance, if it passes, has very little incentive or attraction to a third-party developer.

1304
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:44,640
This is Woods's mission-related uses that if pass will allow Woods to continue to be relevant,

1305
01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:46,740
thrive, and grow in the township.

1306
01:53:50,660 --> 01:53:51,380
Thank you, Mr. McGinnis.

1307
01:53:52,760 --> 01:53:53,720
All right, how they're public comment.

1308
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:00,460
Hi, Lorna Roe, 18-cycle pair.

1309
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:09,580
So I appreciate what Woods is trying to do here, and it's really sad that the government

1310
01:54:09,580 --> 01:54:13,420
has cut all of their funding so now they have to send us sell-off parcels of land to

1311
01:54:13,420 --> 01:54:14,180
make ends meet.

1312
01:54:14,380 --> 01:54:16,060
I think this is a tragedy all around.

1313
01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:25,380
But unfortunately, you know, the original plans that they submitted in December were 220 acres

1314
01:54:25,380 --> 01:54:29,900
and yes, they disclose that they wanted to, could we have the map up again?

1315
01:54:30,920 --> 01:54:36,080
They disclose that they were going to, you know, take 20 acres of protected woodlands and just completely share it

1316
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:40,060
and put up an apartment complex with another Amazon food store.

1317
01:54:41,340 --> 01:54:51,240
And they wouldn't tell the planning commission why they needed to do the whole overlay, and it required the EAC to disclose that.

1318
01:54:51,860 --> 01:54:56,380
The EAC revealed that they couldn't legally do that by itself.

1319
01:54:56,660 --> 01:54:58,880
They had to include the entire parcel together.

1320
01:55:00,220 --> 01:55:05,820
The EAC rejects this current revision because it still does the same thing.

1321
01:55:05,820 --> 01:55:10,260
It's still 113 acres, and if you look over here,

1322
01:55:25,020 --> 01:55:26,860
according to the National Wetlands Overlay,

1323
01:55:27,200 --> 01:55:29,540
there is a wetlands right here,

1324
01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:31,800
and there's another wetlands right here,

1325
01:55:31,820 --> 01:55:33,840
and there's also woods around this wetlands.

1326
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:37,580
The apartment buildings that they want to build here,

1327
01:55:38,060 --> 01:55:39,620
why can't they just build that there?

1328
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:42,400
Why do they need to have this whole tract?

1329
01:55:47,660 --> 01:55:50,060
And they keep bragging about how the whole tract

1330
01:55:50,060 --> 01:55:51,880
is going to comply with our ordinance,

1331
01:55:51,880 --> 01:56:02,200
However, by deluding the size of these properties to 113 acres, our natural protections are no longer protecting.

1332
01:56:03,580 --> 01:56:05,160
So they're still deluding our resources.

1333
01:56:05,380 --> 01:56:08,360
They're still deluding our ability to protect these lands.

1334
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:11,180
And that's why we shouldn't allow this to happen.

1335
01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:18,100
What happens when the apartments that they're going to build here,

1336
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:20,360
when the money that they get from that runs out?

1337
01:56:20,820 --> 01:56:22,920
You know, these plans are unsustainable.

1338
01:56:23,580 --> 01:56:27,180
It might be, you know, a shot in the arm right now, but then they're going to come back.

1339
01:56:27,300 --> 01:56:28,040
They need to build more.

1340
01:56:28,060 --> 01:56:29,620
They need to build more.

1341
01:56:29,980 --> 01:56:34,140
They need to sell off another parcel of land to another developer so they can have the funding

1342
01:56:34,140 --> 01:56:35,740
to do this, this, and this.

1343
01:56:36,740 --> 01:56:42,140
What happens when wood is no longer sustainable in-line horn, and they have to sell their property

1344
01:56:42,140 --> 01:56:46,780
completely to some business that already has a state in the overlay district.

1345
01:56:46,780 --> 01:56:54,720
And then we get our little celebration of our own in middle town, where we don't have a say because that developer is going to have control.

1346
01:56:55,320 --> 01:56:59,120
And it's up to the developer to share what the deed restrictions are.

1347
01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:02,520
It's up to the developer to share what else is going on in the overlay district.

1348
01:57:02,740 --> 01:57:04,380
It takes away your oversight.

1349
01:57:05,500 --> 01:57:13,080
We have enough trouble with the zoning board, granting variances that put you in a bind that say, I know this isn't good for the township,

1350
01:57:13,080 --> 01:57:18,100
But I legally can't say no because they'll take me to court and I'll have to spend more money fighting it in court.

1351
01:57:18,700 --> 01:57:26,080
This is your opportunity to nip it in the bud and prevent the zoning board from taking your power away and from taking your ability to

1352
01:57:27,120 --> 01:57:31,580
oversee the ordinances and make sure that they get fulfilled the way they should be fulfilled.

1353
01:57:32,620 --> 01:57:39,440
I wish that Woods had another alternative but I don't think this is the solution we want it to be.

1354
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:42,360
And I think it's just going to become a problem for the township.

1355
01:57:42,940 --> 01:57:44,000
It's going to set a precedent.

1356
01:57:44,780 --> 01:57:48,120
What's going to stop sesame place from wanting to make their overlay district?

1357
01:57:49,120 --> 01:57:53,460
What's going to stop, say, Mary's hospital from wanting to make their overlay district?

1358
01:57:54,220 --> 01:57:56,360
You're charting down dangerous territory.

1359
01:57:56,820 --> 01:57:59,960
And it's not even going to do the good thing it's going to do.

1360
01:58:00,540 --> 01:58:04,260
And I urge you to follow the advice of the Environmental Advisory Council

1361
01:58:04,260 --> 01:58:07,440
and the Planning Commission and reject this proposal.

1362
01:58:11,020 --> 01:58:23,300
Could I ask a question? What is the long-term plan for the non-residential spaces on there?

1363
01:58:23,540 --> 01:58:27,360
When we're talking about the pharmacy, the medical office, are there plans actually in place?

1364
01:58:27,880 --> 01:58:33,160
Is there a design in place for that? Have you secured the funding for your grant yet?

1365
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:35,480
Has them been awarded to you guys yet?

1366
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:46,340
I just want to address some of the statements that were just made.

1367
01:58:46,340 --> 01:58:48,560
respectively, most of it's not true.

1368
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:52,560
We do have 113 acres in the overlay district.

1369
01:58:52,880 --> 01:58:54,800
We have to respect for the overall track,

1370
01:58:55,100 --> 01:58:57,680
all resource calculations, all zoning requirements.

1371
01:58:58,720 --> 01:59:01,260
There's a term called transferable development rights.

1372
01:59:01,500 --> 01:59:05,600
All we're asking for is, if in one particular location,

1373
01:59:06,260 --> 01:59:08,080
if you go over a little bit on tree disturbance,

1374
01:59:08,620 --> 01:59:10,880
you have to then pick another section of the Woods campus

1375
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:12,340
and overprotect.

1376
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:16,140
That's why I keep going back to the overall 113 acres.

1377
01:59:16,140 --> 01:59:28,200
When you're looking at the overall overlay district, which is the 113 acres, we cannot violate the ordinance and just start really nearly picking things and disturbing items, what lands was suggested.

1378
01:59:28,700 --> 01:59:32,960
We can't disturb what lands by ordinance, so that's not a truthful statement.

1379
01:59:33,420 --> 01:59:36,460
So I just wanted to clear up some of the statements that were made.

1380
01:59:36,900 --> 01:59:39,700
This isn't an ordinance that allows woods to do whatever they want.

1381
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:45,820
It's an ordinance that creates an overlay district that matches what they do today, but gives them some leeway

1382
01:59:45,820 --> 01:59:49,880
that when they come in front of you, if they want to develop a certain area and there just

1383
01:59:49,880 --> 01:59:52,040
happens to be a little bit more trees in that location.

1384
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:04,340
We have to overprotect in another. That's as simple as it is.

1385
02:00:04,980 --> 02:00:15,960
The fact that wood does not have another land development plan set designed for the non-residential

1386
02:00:15,960 --> 02:00:23,060
use, I think just buttresses are argument this evening, which is what this ordinance is predominantly

1387
02:00:23,060 --> 02:00:31,400
is codifying the existing reality on these parcels with providing us the ability to expand

1388
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:38,260
reasonably and with oversight from the supervisors, not the zoning hearing board, if we

1389
02:00:38,260 --> 02:00:41,280
need it in the future, that's all.

1390
02:00:42,120 --> 02:00:47,060
And I think the one thing that I am still struggling with, and I see we are coming from,

1391
02:00:47,260 --> 02:00:51,620
right, giving more control to the board of supervisors, but it may not be us, right?

1392
02:00:51,620 --> 02:00:53,200
It may not be these professionals.

1393
02:00:53,900 --> 02:01:00,060
It may not be someone that has the same sense of open space and preservation that we have.

1394
02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:01,540
That's my biggest concern.

1395
02:01:01,780 --> 02:01:10,880
I wish in the ordinance there was more minimum with respect to those things and not a lot of

1396
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:11,780
give and take.

1397
02:01:12,040 --> 02:01:12,700
We'll do this here.

1398
02:01:12,860 --> 02:01:14,660
We to the best reasonable efforts.

1399
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:15,480
We'll do that.

1400
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:20,720
That's really where I'm struggling because we're putting the decision in someone else's hands

1401
02:01:20,720 --> 02:01:22,780
that may not be us up here.

1402
02:01:24,700 --> 02:01:24,940
Understood?

1403
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:27,560
All right, other public comment.

1404
02:01:31,070 --> 02:01:32,430
Do we want to go in twice?

1405
02:01:34,810 --> 02:01:36,310
Any other questions to many board members?

1406
02:01:37,150 --> 02:01:38,730
I do have one more, I'm so sorry.

1407
02:01:40,030 --> 02:01:41,850
My question is for the housing.

1408
02:01:42,170 --> 02:01:47,650
I think there was a good point, and this isn't because I'm against outsiders or people coming

1409
02:01:47,650 --> 02:01:52,330
into our community that are different or diverse or anything like that.

1410
02:01:52,330 --> 02:02:00,010
My question is, if wood services wants to provide additional services to their clientele,

1411
02:02:00,810 --> 02:02:05,010
why aren't the housing options just for their clientele?

1412
02:02:10,050 --> 02:02:10,950
Or employees?

1413
02:02:11,330 --> 02:02:13,150
Why isn't it just that?

1414
02:02:18,220 --> 02:02:20,660
There's a version of that question.

1415
02:02:20,980 --> 02:02:23,420
I think it came up at the first planning commission meeting,

1416
02:02:24,200 --> 02:02:26,040
and back in, like it was November,

1417
02:02:26,760 --> 02:02:34,700
I don't think the Woods team views it as an either or, so first of all, with the PHFA funding,

1418
02:02:35,120 --> 02:02:40,780
there's not an ability to do that and have it the attainable housing, so that's one item

1419
02:02:40,780 --> 02:02:41,360
legally.

1420
02:02:42,100 --> 02:02:55,540
But secondly, I think that's presuming that Woods's only initiative is solely related to its

1421
02:02:55,540 --> 02:02:57,900
is not something that was cares about.

1422
02:02:58,200 --> 02:03:00,760
I can state that we've had a number of conversations

1423
02:03:00,760 --> 02:03:04,140
over the years about that, and the Woods leadership team

1424
02:03:04,140 --> 02:03:07,220
who was here this evening, I will, if I had a Bible,

1425
02:03:07,320 --> 02:03:09,940
I would swear on it, is insistent.

1426
02:03:10,180 --> 02:03:14,800
They are mission-driven, not just with respect to their own

1427
02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:17,800
residents, but because they believe in the mission

1428
02:03:17,800 --> 02:03:19,220
of attainable housing.

1429
02:03:19,860 --> 02:03:22,240
It came up with the first iteration of the ordinance

1430
02:03:22,240 --> 02:03:24,820
because we had talked about attainable housing

1431
02:03:24,820 --> 02:03:30,240
at the Zoning Hearing Board before, and the Planning Commission, I think, asked a fair question,

1432
02:03:30,580 --> 02:03:35,680
which was, okay, well, you say you're supportive of this, how come it's not drafted

1433
02:03:35,680 --> 02:03:41,080
that way in the ordinance? So when we revised the ordinance, one of the items that we put

1434
02:03:41,080 --> 02:03:46,100
explicitly with the apartment building was the attainable housing component, and that's not

1435
02:03:46,100 --> 02:03:51,780
just because it's cares about earmarking the nine units for its residents with intellectual

1436
02:03:51,780 --> 02:03:56,760
disabilities. They care very much about that. But broadly speaking, the Woods team sees a

1437
02:03:56,760 --> 02:04:01,340
dire need for attainable housing in our community. So I would suggest that the apartment

1438
02:04:01,340 --> 02:04:08,100
bill or the Woods resident specifically with a need in our community generally. I don't think

1439
02:04:08,100 --> 02:04:12,420
it's an either or on Woods's end. This was an opportunity to marry both together.

1440
02:04:14,700 --> 02:04:16,200
Okay, I have one more question.

1441
02:04:22,620 --> 02:04:26,980
When it comes to the housing and the attainable housing,

1442
02:04:27,260 --> 02:04:35,060
How does one qualify? What are the, I guess, the, um, their employment or salary limits?

1443
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:44,290
What, how do they, I don't, I don't have my notes here in front of me, but, um, in general,

1444
02:04:44,870 --> 02:04:51,530
a single person looking to apply for a one bedroom would need to earn approximately 48,000,

1445
02:04:51,550 --> 02:04:57,930
200 dollars a year in order to be eligible for a one bedroom for a two bedroom, two, and it's

1446
02:04:59,370 --> 02:05:02,370
The dollar amount is also based on household size.

1447
02:05:03,030 --> 02:05:08,910
So for example, for a two-bedroom, a single parent raising one child looking to apply for a

1448
02:05:08,910 --> 02:05:13,430
two-bedroom would need to earn 55,000 in change in order to qualify.

1449
02:05:13,650 --> 02:05:17,810
And the number changes based on household size, and obviously the number of bedrooms.

1450
02:05:18,590 --> 02:05:19,310
It's a helpful.

1451
02:05:19,830 --> 02:05:20,610
Yes, thank you.

1452
02:05:20,850 --> 02:05:24,350
So that's like making $20, $25 an hour.

1453
02:05:24,350 --> 02:05:31,330
It's approximately 24 to 20, we said, and we're at the planning commission, we wanted to comment,

1454
02:05:31,710 --> 02:05:36,750
you know, 48,000, this is around the salaries of our first year teachers in the district.

1455
02:05:36,970 --> 02:05:38,550
There's a lot of our home health professionals.

1456
02:05:40,350 --> 02:05:42,490
And that's who's moving in, right?

1457
02:05:43,230 --> 02:05:49,270
Yeah, I think there was somebody that suggested that this would be low income, and we know we'd be getting people from other areas,

1458
02:05:49,570 --> 02:05:54,330
but the truth is there are a lot of people in our area that are making that income.

1459
02:05:54,330 --> 02:05:56,110
and would benefit probably?

1460
02:05:56,350 --> 02:06:01,410
Yeah, so the term low income is relative, and it just so happens that the median income in

1461
02:06:01,410 --> 02:06:03,650
Bux County is higher than average.

1462
02:06:03,730 --> 02:06:09,970
If it was a different county, a different community might be different, but that's the...

1463
02:06:09,970 --> 02:06:13,670
I'm sorry, 48, 48, 48,000 to 200.

1464
02:06:13,930 --> 02:06:15,830
And do they more or less?

1465
02:06:16,150 --> 02:06:16,870
Or less?

1466
02:06:16,870 --> 02:06:17,150
Or less?

1467
02:06:17,390 --> 02:06:18,810
Yes, you can't earn more than that.

1468
02:06:18,810 --> 02:06:24,670
And do they have to recall if I, on an annual basis, or once they are in there?

1469
02:06:24,890 --> 02:06:27,850
I don't know the answer to that. I don't think so. No.

1470
02:06:28,070 --> 02:06:30,390
But I don't know. I would just be speculating.

1471
02:06:31,490 --> 02:06:34,130
And I guess my last question will not just to.

1472
02:06:35,550 --> 02:06:42,650
So that's the maximum income that would qualify them. Do they have to have income or could they not have income?

1473
02:06:44,010 --> 02:06:46,970
They have to have income. Yes, they can't be rent burdened.

1474
02:06:46,970 --> 02:06:49,630
I don't know the term for that, but they have to have income.

1475
02:06:50,330 --> 02:06:50,410
Yep.

1476
02:06:50,770 --> 02:06:51,090
Yes.

1477
02:06:54,180 --> 02:06:56,120
One question from me, I think it's from Mr. McGinnis.

1478
02:06:57,000 --> 02:07:02,360
The property right now, the personal is zoned entirely R1.

1479
02:07:02,780 --> 02:07:03,120
Is that correct?

1480
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:09,500
What bars would from selling the entire property tomorrow to toll brothers?

1481
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:11,680
Thank you.

1482
02:07:17,460 --> 02:07:17,660
Okay.

1483
02:07:18,780 --> 02:07:21,380
You know, we've heard a lot of very thoughtful.

1484
02:07:30,210 --> 02:07:35,170
Questions, comments, concerns, and this process has obviously gone on for quite some time.

1485
02:07:35,450 --> 02:07:42,250
It was twice before the Planning Commission, and we as a Board have had a lot of time to review the ordinance.

1486
02:07:42,470 --> 02:07:49,210
I can't count how many times I've read this thing and had discussions with our professionals about its scope and its content.

1487
02:07:49,650 --> 02:07:55,610
I think a lot of the things that are raised as concerns are not in my mind true concerns.

1488
02:07:56,170 --> 02:08:00,650
The idea that this will become a whole property full of apartments is just not factual.

1489
02:08:01,010 --> 02:08:06,490
I mean, the ordinance explicitly spells out that it is limited to one apartment building,

1490
02:08:06,570 --> 02:08:07,830
which is the one contemplated.

1491
02:08:08,530 --> 02:08:14,610
This idea that it is, this is, they should, we should just make woods go through the same process

1492
02:08:14,610 --> 02:08:16,210
that everybody else has to go through.

1493
02:08:16,850 --> 02:08:18,090
Well, that's completely backwards.

1494
02:08:18,450 --> 02:08:22,670
In fact, the whole purpose for this is that right now woods is forced to go through a step that

1495
02:08:22,670 --> 02:08:27,370
every other resident in this township does not have to go through when they want to do something

1496
02:08:27,370 --> 02:08:29,410
similar to what was just trying to take on.

1497
02:08:29,610 --> 02:08:33,870
And so the purpose of this, I think, is to fix that and to rectify that and to put them

1498
02:08:33,870 --> 02:08:34,790
on level playing field.

1499
02:08:35,570 --> 02:08:42,990
So I don't view that this as necessarily taking away that protection or that process.

1500
02:08:43,610 --> 02:08:52,310
And in fact, it's funny, one of the things that we, I think, probably verbally can complain

1501
02:08:52,310 --> 02:08:54,310
about as supervisors, pretty often up here,

1502
02:08:54,470 --> 02:08:57,470
is that by the time land development projects get to us,

1503
02:08:57,790 --> 02:08:59,390
they've already been through the zoning hearing board

1504
02:08:59,390 --> 02:09:00,870
and have had variants as granted,

1505
02:09:01,310 --> 02:09:03,670
which really impedes and limits our ability

1506
02:09:03,670 --> 02:09:04,730
to do much of anything.

1507
02:09:04,870 --> 02:09:05,870
I mean, by the time it gets to us,

1508
02:09:06,210 --> 02:09:07,370
once you've got zoning approval,

1509
02:09:07,950 --> 02:09:09,070
I know people come in here

1510
02:09:09,070 --> 02:09:10,770
and they just think that we as the board of supervisors

1511
02:09:10,770 --> 02:09:12,610
can just deny anything that we don't like

1512
02:09:12,610 --> 02:09:14,430
and it's just not that simple and it's not legal.

1513
02:09:14,950 --> 02:09:17,390
And I've tried to explain that over and over again

1514
02:09:17,390 --> 02:09:20,270
and I continue to believe that,

1515
02:09:20,270 --> 02:09:23,090
I believe in our responsibility to follow the law.

1516
02:09:23,990 --> 02:09:28,710
I believe that everybody that comes before us deserves to have us follow the law when we're

1517
02:09:28,710 --> 02:09:31,750
making decisions about whether to approve or deny a project.

1518
02:09:32,470 --> 02:09:37,830
But the matter is, this ordinance cuts out the zoning hearing board, and if you look

1519
02:09:37,830 --> 02:09:42,790
at it one way, actually gives us as the Board of Supervisors a lot more control and input

1520
02:09:42,790 --> 02:09:48,170
and power than we typically ever have when it comes to land development, because we will

1521
02:09:48,170 --> 02:09:54,410
the ones deciding whether or not the use is appropriate and we will be given some ability

1522
02:09:54,410 --> 02:10:02,430
and some power to address that and massage that into proposed and require changes to make

1523
02:10:02,430 --> 02:10:08,750
the project more appropriate and consistent with the property and so I don't think it takes

1524
02:10:08,750 --> 02:10:15,090
the way our oversight. I don't have concern that this is going to become a property full

1525
02:10:15,090 --> 02:10:17,990
of apartments or that wood is gonna now slowly

1526
02:10:17,990 --> 02:10:19,630
divest itself of all of its land.

1527
02:10:19,870 --> 02:10:22,410
I think Mr. House's point is a very strong one

1528
02:10:22,410 --> 02:10:25,010
and I hope that folks understand that.

1529
02:10:25,390 --> 02:10:26,530
This is known residential.

1530
02:10:27,230 --> 02:10:28,790
Wood's could decide tomorrow that they're done

1531
02:10:28,790 --> 02:10:30,310
with Middletown, they're done with this property

1532
02:10:30,950 --> 02:10:32,410
and they're gonna sell it.

1533
02:10:32,730 --> 02:10:35,310
And any developer out there told brothers was a great example

1534
02:10:35,310 --> 02:10:36,730
could come in and buy it and build houses.

1535
02:10:36,970 --> 02:10:39,550
And so concerns about increasing population

1536
02:10:39,550 --> 02:10:43,190
or about the school district, just they just,

1537
02:10:43,190 --> 02:10:48,610
They fall flat with me and I just don't think they're legitimate because it's zone residential now

1538
02:10:48,610 --> 02:10:49,990
And so

1539
02:10:50,670 --> 02:10:54,390
Again, I've looked at this thing inside outside upside down side

1540
02:10:54,390 --> 02:10:57,550
I mean it's it's put a lot of time and thought into it

1541
02:10:57,550 --> 02:10:59,730
I think ultimately the bottom line though is

1542
02:11:00,670 --> 02:11:03,070
I trust woods I believe in woods

1543
02:11:03,070 --> 02:11:04,550
I believe in the work that they are doing

1544
02:11:04,550 --> 02:11:06,230
I believe in the people that they are helping

1545
02:11:06,230 --> 02:11:09,290
Not just in our community, but even more broadly in that

1546
02:11:09,290 --> 02:11:16,230
And I think that they want to stay viable, they want to be here for the long term, and I believe

1547
02:11:16,230 --> 02:11:22,630
that this will enhance their ability to do that with this new model of service that they are moving

1548
02:11:22,630 --> 02:11:30,090
towards. And so me personally, I am in favor of approving this overlay. All that anybody I'll

1549
02:11:30,090 --> 02:11:37,570
speak that wants to before we take a motion. So I tend to agree. I feel like wood services has

1550
02:11:37,570 --> 02:11:47,770
a very valuable asset for our community for really years and decades and you know I've worked

1551
02:11:47,770 --> 02:11:52,710
with for an engineer adults I've worked with people with mental illnesses and as a teacher

1552
02:11:52,710 --> 02:11:57,270
for a long time I've worked with many students that are on the spectrum and I know the good

1553
02:11:57,270 --> 02:12:02,930
work that they do. I know that third dedicated to staying in our community and this is going to

1554
02:12:02,930 --> 02:12:09,250
them do that and I also very dedicated to having some affordable attainable housing which I know

1555
02:12:09,250 --> 02:12:16,270
is desperately needed. We have our children that are in their 20s maybe 30s that I don't know

1556
02:12:16,270 --> 02:12:20,870
how they're going to afford housing to be honest with you. This is a bandaid but I feel like it's

1557
02:12:20,870 --> 02:12:26,610
a step in the right direction. It is contained entirely within the wood services. I know they're

1558
02:12:26,610 --> 02:12:34,490
going, you know, the PHFA is going to be overseeing this project, and I know they do a solid

1559
02:12:34,490 --> 02:12:40,090
job of venting people and getting people in, that deserve the housing, and now we'll

1560
02:12:40,090 --> 02:12:47,270
probably be, you know, good neighbors, and I think that as I know, I forget your name, I'm sorry.

1561
02:12:47,930 --> 02:12:52,850
Don't, you were saying that these people in Wood Service, they're already in our community.

1562
02:12:52,850 --> 02:12:58,350
they're already in apartments. I actually was a resident in council for a long time. So I know

1563
02:12:58,350 --> 02:13:02,970
that these people are already in the community. They're not going to be any more of

1564
02:13:02,970 --> 02:13:08,910
risk being within the wood services area. So I just want to put that.

1565
02:13:11,380 --> 02:13:18,000
I'll say for my part the idea that wood could pull up stakes and we would lose their

1566
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:24,760
valuable mission in our community breaks my heart, the alternative that is a buy-write idea

1567
02:13:24,760 --> 02:13:30,560
that they could sell this property to a developer and put in a couple hundred, third of

1568
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:36,620
an acre, single-family homes, which would bring hundreds of children to our school district,

1569
02:13:37,300 --> 02:13:41,100
thereby increasing the property taxes that in the shemny school district would have to

1570
02:13:42,240 --> 02:13:46,200
by the way those houses would sell for several hundred thousand dollars.

1571
02:13:47,460 --> 02:13:51,400
We hear over and over again on this board that that's not what the community wants either.

1572
02:13:52,020 --> 02:13:55,560
I am conscious every day that I was not elected to this chair that I sit in.

1573
02:13:55,660 --> 02:13:58,320
I sit in this chair because Anna Paine is no longer with us.

1574
02:13:58,440 --> 02:14:01,060
And her overriding passion was attainable housing.

1575
02:14:01,300 --> 02:14:06,220
Her overriding passion was making sure that middle time was a place that we could have vibrant diversity

1576
02:14:06,220 --> 02:14:12,940
and people of all Ilks being able to live and work in our communities.

1577
02:14:13,540 --> 02:14:17,560
And so I am very committed to the mission of Woods and the mission of attainable housing

1578
02:14:17,560 --> 02:14:20,080
that Anna so, for evently, wanted to have happened.

1579
02:14:25,760 --> 02:14:28,140
I want to agree with a few things.

1580
02:14:29,340 --> 02:14:35,760
I am truly appreciative of the conditional use in the opportunity for us to have some more

1581
02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:37,800
stringent oversight in the whole process.

1582
02:14:38,840 --> 02:14:40,900
I value wood services.

1583
02:14:41,260 --> 02:14:43,280
I have a daughter who is on the spectrum.

1584
02:14:45,220 --> 02:14:52,500
It takes a great deal of energy, devotion, and care to care for those people.

1585
02:14:53,980 --> 02:14:56,980
And the residents deserve that.

1586
02:14:57,520 --> 02:14:59,720
We need to support.

1587
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:07,540
Woods in that endeavor. I appreciate your attention to attainable housing.

1588
02:15:10,860 --> 02:15:12,740
Many, many times, spoken

1589
02:15:12,740 --> 02:15:19,480
to Annapain about the importance of it. She could not afford buying a home. There are many people

1590
02:15:19,480 --> 02:15:26,240
in our community who are working very hard for $25 to $30 an hour, who cannot afford a house.

1591
02:15:26,240 --> 02:15:41,220
So I believe in that as well and as an educator for 30 years and being an education, the services that you are looking to provide an expand on will help many people in the lower box area.

1592
02:15:42,340 --> 02:15:45,060
So I support this initiative.

1593
02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:54,420
I will just reiterate, you know my comments earlier.

1594
02:15:55,240 --> 02:16:01,480
Again, I fully support Woods, I think they do a phenomenal job caring for those that need

1595
02:16:01,480 --> 02:16:02,620
to be cared for.

1596
02:16:03,860 --> 02:16:12,540
But again, I looking at the ordinance, I wish there was more teeth to the ability to preserve.

1597
02:16:13,460 --> 02:16:19,100
And again, I think why it was originally his own desire one, is that preservation of open

1598
02:16:19,100 --> 02:16:22,400
space given the landscape of it today.

1599
02:16:23,020 --> 02:16:30,580
And I think we should have put a little bit more teeth into the ordinance and not leaving it up to a further future board.

1600
02:16:33,960 --> 02:16:37,100
Anything else from any board members before we have a motion?

1601
02:16:40,540 --> 02:16:40,560
Okay.

1602
02:16:42,440 --> 02:16:43,400
So, this was the S. Rosito.

1603
02:16:43,500 --> 02:16:48,020
I don't see a proposed motion in the papers, so we'll see the proper motion to make here.

1604
02:16:48,840 --> 02:16:57,120
You could be a motion to approve the petition for the overlay ordinance as presented

1605
02:16:57,120 --> 02:17:02,780
And with the revisions that Mr. McGinnis mentioned earlier.

1606
02:17:04,040 --> 02:17:10,960
So I will make a motion to approve the petition to enact an ordinance to create the community

1607
02:17:10,960 --> 02:17:17,840
development or transitional overlayed district subject to the revisions stated by Mr.

1608
02:17:17,840 --> 02:17:19,020
McGinnis earlier.

1609
02:17:19,320 --> 02:17:20,020
Is that good?

1610
02:17:20,420 --> 02:17:20,640
Okay.

1611
02:17:20,860 --> 02:17:21,280
Is there a second?

1612
02:17:21,440 --> 02:17:21,800
Second.

1613
02:17:22,020 --> 02:17:22,860
Then I motion the second.

1614
02:17:22,900 --> 02:17:24,080
Any more questions at this time?

1615
02:17:24,860 --> 02:17:26,220
Any questions from the public at this time?

1616
02:17:27,440 --> 02:17:29,420
Seeing none all those in favor say aye.

1617
02:17:29,420 --> 02:17:29,840
Aye.

1618
02:17:30,500 --> 02:17:30,980
Opposed?

1619
02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:31,520
No.

1620
02:17:31,900 --> 02:17:33,100
carries four one.

1621
02:17:33,520 --> 02:17:34,400
Thank you Mr. McGinnison.

1622
02:17:34,740 --> 02:17:35,060
Your team.

1623
02:17:43,230 --> 02:17:45,130
We're going to take a five minute recess.

1624
02:17:53,980 --> 02:17:55,860
The duration of awarding the North Flowers Mill drainage.

1625
02:17:56,500 --> 02:17:58,160
Flowers Mill Road drainage project.

1626
02:17:58,400 --> 02:18:01,180
Base bid and alternate number one to James D. Morris e. Inc.

1627
02:18:01,180 --> 02:18:04,100
in the total amount of $114,807.

1628
02:18:05,140 --> 02:18:06,040
Mr. Gessler.

1629
02:18:07,340 --> 02:18:08,000
Thank you Mr. Chair.

1630
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:13,440
fellow board members. This project was before the board a few

1631
02:18:13,440 --> 02:18:18,420
meetings ago for when I went out to bid. This is a drainage project

1632
02:18:18,420 --> 02:18:22,820
that precedes the road program that will be done later this summer.

1633
02:18:23,240 --> 02:18:26,480
North Flowers, Mulrode, right outside the township building here at the

1634
02:18:26,480 --> 02:18:32,240
intersection of Christopher Jones' way. Experiences flooding

1635
02:18:32,240 --> 02:18:35,760
during storm events, icing during the winter months.

1636
02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:37,860
And this is looking to address that.

1637
02:18:37,920 --> 02:18:40,720
So we did open the bids on April 1st.

1638
02:18:40,720 --> 02:18:45,120
We reviewed them for compliance with the township's responsible

1639
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:46,680
contractor ordinance requirements.

1640
02:18:47,640 --> 02:18:49,320
Total of six bids were received.

1641
02:18:49,560 --> 02:18:50,340
They arranged.

1642
02:18:50,680 --> 02:18:55,660
And this is the base and the alternate combined from 114-807

1643
02:18:55,660 --> 02:18:57,920
to 215-110.

1644
02:19:00,160 --> 02:19:03,720
The recommendation is for the low bidder,

1645
02:19:03,720 --> 02:19:11,200
James D. Morrissey, and that is in the total amount of 114-807.

1646
02:19:11,500 --> 02:19:16,460
I'll clarify real quick, the alternate, the basic data described, the alternate is a location

1647
02:19:16,460 --> 02:19:22,480
just down the road, past the shopping plaza, the shops, the flowers mill that has ponding

1648
02:19:22,480 --> 02:19:27,300
issues in the right turn lanes, so this is also looking to address that water issue as part

1649
02:19:27,300 --> 02:19:28,100
of the same project.

1650
02:19:29,900 --> 02:19:30,980
We have to answer any questions.

1651
02:19:30,980 --> 02:19:32,560
Any questions for Mr. Castler?

1652
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:35,380
Would it be budget for this project?

1653
02:19:37,060 --> 02:19:40,040
The original estimate for this was 125,000.

1654
02:19:40,560 --> 02:19:42,860
So we're happy to see it become in below that.

1655
02:19:43,120 --> 02:19:47,920
This is budgeted or understanding out the highway aid money for the township.

1656
02:19:51,360 --> 02:19:51,860
Other questions?

1657
02:19:53,760 --> 02:19:53,820
All right.

1658
02:19:53,820 --> 02:19:56,820
I make a motion to award the base bid in alternate bid number one for the North

1659
02:19:56,820 --> 02:19:58,340
Flowers Mill Road during this project.

1660
02:19:58,340 --> 02:20:03,460
in the amount total amount of $114,807 to James D. Morsey Inc.

1661
02:20:03,460 --> 02:20:04,260
Is there a second?

1662
02:20:05,620 --> 02:20:06,420
I don't know who got that.

1663
02:20:06,420 --> 02:20:07,340
In this hand, you got it.

1664
02:20:08,160 --> 02:20:09,720
It's been about 10 second, any board questions?

1665
02:20:10,440 --> 02:20:11,360
Any questions in the public?

1666
02:20:12,260 --> 02:20:13,820
Seeing none of those in favor say aye.

1667
02:20:13,820 --> 02:20:14,020
Aye.

1668
02:20:14,800 --> 02:20:15,240
Opposed.

1669
02:20:15,580 --> 02:20:16,320
Carrie's five zero.

1670
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:17,460
Next on the agenda,

1671
02:20:17,740 --> 02:20:19,720
consideration of awarding the consortium road materials

1672
02:20:19,720 --> 02:20:21,720
to apply contract for 2025,

1673
02:20:21,900 --> 02:20:23,980
26 to your request for inquiry in an amount

1674
02:20:23,980 --> 02:20:26,040
not to exceed $65,000 in this department.

1675
02:20:26,040 --> 02:20:32,380
Good evening. Once again every year we have to go through this. So this is a bid from the

1676
02:20:32,380 --> 02:20:38,560
Bucks County Consortium, which we deal with. And once again, this year Marcy won the bid.

1677
02:20:38,820 --> 02:20:46,880
There was five bidters, but Marcy, overall, had the, got the bid from the Consortium.

1678
02:20:53,670 --> 02:20:59,590
Sorry, I haven't my paperwork that, uh, you're Ricka Stone quarry.

1679
02:20:59,590 --> 02:21:05,190
Yeah, it's the same Marcy is you're a guy. Oh, it's all one. Yeah, it's all the same. I'm sorry

1680
02:21:08,400 --> 02:21:09,980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you are

1681
02:21:10,860 --> 02:21:16,880
Trying to get you know it's gone there. He just said James the Marcy is yeah, yeah, I know yeah

1682
02:21:18,040 --> 02:21:23,780
It's your recap for all tests for it's your recap stone quarry. Oh, shell font P. I

1683
02:21:23,780 --> 02:21:31,940
Any questions for Mr. Garden there. Sorry, but that guy is no questions. All right, I'll accept the motion

1684
02:21:32,180 --> 02:21:41,840
I move toward the 2025-26 road material supplies contract to you regus stone quarry shellbot PA and then not not to exceed 65,000.

1685
02:21:42,060 --> 02:21:43,180
Thank you, Ms. Quarple, is there a second?

1686
02:21:44,040 --> 02:21:44,440
Second.

1687
02:21:44,920 --> 02:21:46,260
But in most of the second, any more questions?

1688
02:21:47,260 --> 02:21:48,260
Requires us from the public.

1689
02:21:48,840 --> 02:21:50,020
Seeing none others in favor say aye.

1690
02:21:50,020 --> 02:21:50,780
Aye, aye.

1691
02:21:51,060 --> 02:21:51,540
Opposed.

1692
02:21:52,100 --> 02:21:52,840
Carries five zero.

1693
02:21:52,940 --> 02:21:53,100
Thank you.

1694
02:21:53,540 --> 02:21:53,940
Thank you.

1695
02:21:54,980 --> 02:21:59,560
Next consideration of authorizing the purchase and installation of playground equipment at Lions Park playground

1696
02:21:59,560 --> 02:22:03,920
from Margarano Recreation Company in the amount of $19999.99 in

1697
02:22:03,920 --> 02:22:05,580
dollars in 53 cents.

1698
02:22:06,160 --> 02:22:07,840
They did the fund for last, huh?

1699
02:22:07,980 --> 02:22:08,540
They did.

1700
02:22:08,980 --> 02:22:09,940
They did.

1701
02:22:10,080 --> 02:22:10,280
Mr. Grossman.

1702
02:22:10,280 --> 02:22:13,540
Guys had a rough night so they got to end it on a high on a fund note.

1703
02:22:14,160 --> 02:22:16,160
Good evening, Mr. Chairman and fellow board members.

1704
02:22:16,640 --> 02:22:19,800
The park erect department is before the board tonight asking for permission

1705
02:22:19,800 --> 02:22:23,500
to purchase and install a new playground at Lions Park.

1706
02:22:24,040 --> 02:22:28,860
This playground is primarily serves the neighborhoods of snowball

1707
02:22:28,860 --> 02:22:29,960
for Shithya and...

1708
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:37,340
And deep down east and west. Just for everybody's edification, if you see it's a very high visibility area, right

1709
02:22:37,340 --> 02:22:42,820
at a busy intersection of Levittown at the corner of Trenton and Veterans Highway.

1710
02:22:46,240 --> 02:22:46,920
There we go.

1711
02:22:47,780 --> 02:22:55,180
This playground, I always say we rotate them every 15 years, but this is 28 years old. It was built

1712
02:22:55,180 --> 02:22:58,100
and it was put in in 1997,

1713
02:23:00,620 --> 02:23:01,960
but it's run, it's useful,

1714
02:23:02,180 --> 02:23:09,240
if it's time to go, what we picked is on, this gets used,

1715
02:23:09,500 --> 02:23:13,120
what you see is this was some random Monday afternoon,

1716
02:23:13,280 --> 02:23:15,660
I'm waiting at the light by the,

1717
02:23:15,660 --> 02:23:17,340
what is now the BP gas station.

1718
02:23:18,020 --> 02:23:21,360
You just see small hits and little families coming out

1719
02:23:21,360 --> 02:23:22,640
and to hit this park.

1720
02:23:23,260 --> 02:23:26,540
We've been the EACs, we've been planting a lot of trees in this area.

1721
02:23:27,560 --> 02:23:32,400
Because of the high visibility area, we've picked some very vibrant colors.

1722
02:23:32,760 --> 02:23:34,700
So we have yellow and umbrellas.

1723
02:23:34,940 --> 02:23:36,700
So this is the overhead obviously.

1724
02:23:37,560 --> 02:23:41,120
And you can see all the gear that's laid out.

1725
02:23:43,260 --> 02:23:46,100
And then side picture of course.

1726
02:23:46,780 --> 02:23:48,780
Now this was also part of a grant.

1727
02:23:48,960 --> 02:23:50,780
So when we were going through this whole process,

1728
02:23:50,780 --> 02:23:53,700
And I'm just going to click while I'm talking.

1729
02:23:56,240 --> 02:23:59,760
Each one of our playgrounds, we have 12 total within the township.

1730
02:23:59,780 --> 02:24:00,900
We want different themes.

1731
02:24:01,140 --> 02:24:09,020
So the co-bought ridge was a national demonstration site for inclusive play.

1732
02:24:09,420 --> 02:24:13,220
This is for like run around and be in a kid and get crazy.

1733
02:24:13,500 --> 02:24:18,320
So I had to look up the word braciating because how a monkey climbs from tree tree that's

1734
02:24:18,320 --> 02:24:19,100
called braciating.

1735
02:24:19,100 --> 02:24:23,360
So, that's what this is supposed to do, if like, so if your kids are getting crazy at home,

1736
02:24:23,420 --> 02:24:25,400
this is the park you want to bring them to.

1737
02:24:28,240 --> 02:24:33,300
And just, you'll see the purples, the oranges, all that beautiful stuff, I did want

1738
02:24:33,300 --> 02:24:38,480
to point out, inclusive pieces are always included in every one of our parks, if you look

1739
02:24:38,480 --> 02:24:45,540
to the far right, the swing sets, especially there's some quiet solitude areas underneath the

1740
02:24:45,540 --> 02:24:49,620
playground equipment and off to the left, there's actually what they call a teamwork.

1741
02:24:49,620 --> 02:24:57,220
So it takes two to tango on that little spin around thing so it's like the T cups of Disney without I guess the barfing afterwards

1742
02:24:57,220 --> 02:24:59,300
But I don't know

1743
02:25:00,900 --> 02:25:04,820
And then so there's your appreciating, okay, and

1744
02:25:06,120 --> 02:25:08,420
One more pick so

1745
02:25:08,420 --> 02:25:15,760
If the labor because it was part of a grant so the labor is being paid by the grants

1746
02:25:15,760 --> 02:25:19,340
So that's why on your quote, there's no line item.

1747
02:25:19,540 --> 02:25:24,520
It's about a $37,000 deal, but that grand pace for that.

1748
02:25:24,840 --> 02:25:28,320
So what we're buying is a complete unit install

1749
02:25:28,320 --> 02:25:33,300
from the Maker, Marino Recreation Company.

1750
02:25:34,200 --> 02:25:37,380
Our playground equipment game time in this episode

1751
02:25:37,380 --> 02:25:40,560
is all built in Fort Paine, Alabama.

1752
02:25:41,480 --> 02:25:44,000
All American, no tariffs, no nothing.

1753
02:25:44,000 --> 02:25:53,260
So it's okay, so good stuff, if anybody has any questions for me, I would be happy to answer

1754
02:25:53,260 --> 02:25:55,520
any questions for Ristico Perra.

1755
02:25:55,940 --> 02:25:57,500
What did we get the grant for?

1756
02:25:58,380 --> 02:26:03,440
So the grant was a through PRPS, you just applied for it and they said boom.

1757
02:26:04,340 --> 02:26:10,860
So it was actually funded, it's in your packet, but it was funded by game time to the state.

1758
02:26:10,860 --> 02:26:18,060
We applied, we buy a lot of game time equipment, so I'm not going to argue with how things work out.

1759
02:26:20,400 --> 02:26:23,200
Okay, so is the bottom line that we're paying out the 119?

1760
02:26:24,380 --> 02:26:26,100
Okay, all right, so that's after the grant.

1761
02:26:26,900 --> 02:26:31,840
I want no accolades for coming in 47 cents under the budget amount in the capital budget.

1762
02:26:32,140 --> 02:26:33,640
I do appreciate the budget there.

1763
02:26:35,280 --> 02:26:39,640
And given where the playground is in the two large roads that are next to it,

1764
02:26:39,640 --> 02:26:41,880
when you showed that area have we ever thought about

1765
02:26:41,880 --> 02:26:45,460
potentially fencing in the playground area of this park

1766
02:26:45,460 --> 02:26:47,540
so to help with safety.

1767
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:48,940
It's all put no.

1768
02:26:49,700 --> 02:26:51,500
So it's been working fine now.

1769
02:26:51,740 --> 02:26:52,940
It's all part of the green belt.

1770
02:26:53,600 --> 02:26:55,140
What the afterthought is, well,

1771
02:26:55,300 --> 02:26:56,280
when we discuss with the board,

1772
02:26:56,460 --> 02:26:59,300
we're actually going to put four parking spaces in there now

1773
02:26:59,300 --> 02:27:02,380
or after we build it so that families come in.

1774
02:27:02,400 --> 02:27:04,040
What they do is drive on the grass now

1775
02:27:04,040 --> 02:27:07,740
so they have a safe exit from their cars

1776
02:27:09,160 --> 02:27:17,580
And we'll, similar to what we did at Cobalt, where we did two handicap spots, we're going to just carve out our snowball and build it.

1777
02:27:17,860 --> 02:27:23,780
We don't need any kind of gates, and it's just another thing that's a pain in the neck, grass cutting, and everything.

1778
02:27:24,420 --> 02:27:30,800
And it's part of the green belt, so we actually have people that just walk the green belt anyway, so it just kind of flows.

1779
02:27:32,500 --> 02:27:33,140
Great question.

1780
02:27:33,140 --> 02:27:37,460
Did I see sidewalks on the one rendering that you had there?

1781
02:27:38,980 --> 02:27:39,920
No, I thought it did.

1782
02:27:40,200 --> 02:27:43,040
Now, so what we're going to just the path into the park.

1783
02:27:43,180 --> 02:27:44,700
So what we're going to do is, again,

1784
02:27:44,920 --> 02:27:48,480
like cobalt, parking lot, path into the playground.

1785
02:27:49,560 --> 02:27:52,100
Everything is ADA compliant to get there.

1786
02:27:54,670 --> 02:27:58,010
I don't see any benches in your rendering.

1787
02:27:58,350 --> 02:28:01,910
And as a mom of three kids, I would love benches.

1788
02:28:02,070 --> 02:28:02,310
Right.

1789
02:28:03,710 --> 02:28:04,370
I love it.

1790
02:28:04,370 --> 02:28:10,930
So there's actually four on the perimeter now, two were recently put in, so that's always

1791
02:28:10,930 --> 02:28:11,770
part of our package.

1792
02:28:11,910 --> 02:28:15,930
It's basically a couple of benches and a couple of trash cans.

1793
02:28:16,130 --> 02:28:18,790
So we just kind of let the area take care of itself.

1794
02:28:22,040 --> 02:28:22,580
Any other questions?

1795
02:28:24,120 --> 02:28:25,700
If not, I can accept a motion.

1796
02:28:26,460 --> 02:28:32,140
I moved to execute a contract for the purchase and installation of Plague Run equipment

1797
02:28:32,140 --> 02:28:36,660
from Mar Toronto Recreation Company, a co-star vendor in the

1798
02:28:36,660 --> 02:28:42,120
amount of $119,999 and 53 cents.

1799
02:28:42,460 --> 02:28:43,520
Thank you, Ms. Corporal. It's there second.

1800
02:28:45,080 --> 02:28:46,800
I've been emotional in a second. Any more questions?

1801
02:28:47,680 --> 02:28:48,500
Any questions from the public?

1802
02:28:55,030 --> 02:29:00,330
I use that pretty often when I walk any chance whatsoever to get a path

1803
02:29:00,330 --> 02:29:05,130
from the playground to that corner because when you're walking at

1804
02:29:05,130 --> 02:29:09,630
Like I'd say, I'm going from snowball to the wall or whatever, it's muddy.

1805
02:29:10,950 --> 02:29:13,690
Any chance of that being included with this?

1806
02:29:14,710 --> 02:29:16,650
We love a trail, connect, Mr. Kaperach.

1807
02:29:19,650 --> 02:29:23,690
And that's why, and that's actually why you don't need a fence because it is actually a good

1808
02:29:23,690 --> 02:29:24,730
distance from the road.

1809
02:29:24,890 --> 02:29:28,350
The whole playground is a good difference or a road, you don't need a fence, but you walk from

1810
02:29:28,350 --> 02:29:32,710
the playground to that corner to get to the light, you do the crosswalk, and it gets

1811
02:29:32,710 --> 02:29:33,150
muddy.

1812
02:29:33,150 --> 02:29:33,990
Gotcha.

1813
02:29:35,490 --> 02:29:37,390
This is short answer, yes.

1814
02:29:38,330 --> 02:29:49,270
Ms. Canaan and Ms. Hanna are working with us on the Park-Aurek comprehensive plan, and, like, you know, from the comprehensive plan for the middle town township, everybody wants trails, trails.

1815
02:29:49,730 --> 02:29:55,150
They want to trails, they want to connect trails to a lot of the conversations we're having now as connecting trails.

1816
02:29:56,810 --> 02:29:59,970
Patrick and I, the Assistant Park-Aurek director, looked at...

1817
02:30:00,080 --> 02:30:14,080
We're doing an asphalt trail all the way along down that snowball drive a couple of years ago, so, you know, we are thinking about things like that to connect people to that intersection and to the other side of that event highway.

1818
02:30:17,910 --> 02:30:19,790
Any other public questions or comment?

1819
02:30:20,650 --> 02:30:24,890
Thanks Mr. Bruno. All right, there's been a motion in a second. All those in favor say aye.

1820
02:30:26,010 --> 02:30:26,530
Opposed.

1821
02:30:26,530 --> 02:30:28,530
carries 5-0. Thank you Mr. Pair.

1822
02:30:28,730 --> 02:30:29,450
Thank you.

1823
02:30:29,710 --> 02:30:31,610
Next concludes all of our formal agenda items.

1824
02:30:31,890 --> 02:30:35,050
So next, I will go to public comment on non-agenda items.

1825
02:30:35,150 --> 02:30:37,010
Is there any public comment on non-agenda items?

1826
02:30:43,760 --> 02:30:45,620
Well, we finally made it.

1827
02:30:46,100 --> 02:30:49,140
Good evening. Sheldon posts from Red Rose Gate.

1828
02:30:50,620 --> 02:30:55,520
I feel as though what I'm about to say is rather trivial compared to a lot that was discussed this evening.

1829
02:30:56,180 --> 02:30:57,580
However, I'm going to say it anyway.

1830
02:30:57,820 --> 02:30:59,600
And I'll try to not keep you here too much longer.

1831
02:31:00,640 --> 02:31:06,920
I came up here, that's probably been at least three or four months ago, with some comments

1832
02:31:06,920 --> 02:31:12,360
pertaining to the way in which agendas are written, specifically for the zoning board

1833
02:31:12,360 --> 02:31:17,020
and the planning commission, and how it's for the average person that I consider myself

1834
02:31:17,020 --> 02:31:23,140
to be, it's impossible to know really what's going on, after that meeting,

1835
02:31:28,120 --> 02:31:28,620
that was another

1836
02:31:28,620 --> 02:31:34,000
email about a month and a half after, and I think, I believe I sent it to all of you as well

1837
02:31:34,000 --> 02:31:35,380
as Ms. Teoli calls.

1838
02:31:36,240 --> 02:31:42,060
And I made a comment in there that at the end of that meeting that this was in error, but

1839
02:31:42,060 --> 02:31:45,660
I said, Ms. Teoli calls and Mr. Kessler spoke to me afterwards.

1840
02:31:45,720 --> 02:31:51,740
It was actually Ms. Teoli calls and Mr. Esposito who spoke to me afterwards, saying to me

1841
02:31:51,740 --> 02:31:56,100
at that time that they felt that's though that was a good suggestion to try and revise

1842
02:31:56,100 --> 02:32:02,400
how agendas are written for those two particular boards, however I've really seen no change

1843
02:32:02,400 --> 02:32:09,460
and I would just like to make a couple of examples or state a couple of examples. One of the

1844
02:32:09,460 --> 02:32:18,040
more recent zoning hearing board agendas. There's three things on the agenda, silver oak village,

1845
02:32:18,260 --> 02:32:24,020
winter star corporation, milnick brothers, sorry, four things, shetland group. I know nothing

1846
02:32:24,020 --> 02:32:28,320
about any of those companies. I assume they're companies. I know nothing about any of those

1847
02:32:28,320 --> 02:32:34,740
companies and there's nothing in the agenda that indicates what it's about. And so as someone

1848
02:32:34,740 --> 02:32:40,800
who might want to go to such a meeting and make some comments about it, I don't know what I'm

1849
02:32:40,800 --> 02:32:46,340
commenting on because there's nothing in there. Your agendas for these meetings are quite the

1850
02:32:46,340 --> 02:32:50,400
opposite. They're usually pretty specific if our police department, street department,

1851
02:32:50,400 --> 02:32:56,520
parts of the department. If they're requesting whatever, it's pretty detailed in your agendas.

1852
02:32:56,820 --> 02:33:01,020
And we know ahead of time that they're looking for a certain amount of money for a vehicle,

1853
02:33:01,300 --> 02:33:08,160
or for a computer, or for weapons, or whatever it might be, park equipment, and so on.

1854
02:33:08,800 --> 02:33:15,760
However, you look at a zoning board agenda and a planning commission agenda, and I at least can't make any

1855
02:33:15,760 --> 02:33:22,120
out of them. I did get one clear it up tonight because earlier tonight I believe it was

1856
02:33:22,120 --> 02:33:27,920
item number nine on your agenda. Was item number three on the Planning Commission's agenda

1857
02:33:28,720 --> 02:33:36,060
back on April 2nd. However, more than half of it is nothing but numbers. Now I know they're probably

1858
02:33:36,060 --> 02:33:42,400
tax parcel numbers or something but it doesn't tell me or anybody else who wants to look and see

1859
02:33:43,000 --> 02:33:44,200
what they're requesting.

1860
02:33:44,980 --> 02:33:50,660
Now, I know that one now because they were here earlier tonight and I know what it was all about at this point.

1861
02:33:51,640 --> 02:33:56,080
So again, I would just like to, you know, make a plea or a suggestion.

1862
02:33:57,380 --> 02:34:03,940
I know you don't write the agendas, but I'm assuming that somebody up here has some input on how those agendas are presented or written.

1863
02:34:05,080 --> 02:34:11,200
So I really think it would be helpful to the community if there could be some detail put into some of these things.

1864
02:34:11,200 --> 02:34:17,680
Back when I spoke the first time, I think I spoke mainly about locations like if this is

1865
02:34:17,680 --> 02:34:18,440
a made up number.

1866
02:34:18,800 --> 02:34:24,260
But if I saw something like 2832 Lincoln Highway, I would have no clue where that is.

1867
02:34:24,520 --> 02:34:30,040
But if I saw like 2832 Lincoln Highway, which is the old Ruby Tuesday, next to the lows,

1868
02:34:30,440 --> 02:34:35,280
is now going to be a Chick-fil-A, that's another sentence in the agenda, but it would be very

1869
02:34:35,280 --> 02:34:41,120
clear what that is about and I really think that would help with those kinds of things

1870
02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:47,480
could be added. So I'm going to remake that plea that perhaps, you know, we can try to be a

1871
02:34:47,480 --> 02:34:56,120
little more specific with the writing of those agendas. I had two other quick things. One is for quite

1872
02:34:56,120 --> 02:35:02,280
a few months, there was a gentleman who came up here to speak about Tower 8, a Pendell Fire

1873
02:35:02,280 --> 02:35:10,940
Department. I'm not exactly sure what his agenda was or is, but as someone who lives about

1874
02:35:10,940 --> 02:35:16,980
12 houses away from the pretty serious house fire, a little over a month ago, I for one,

1875
02:35:17,080 --> 02:35:21,440
I was very happy to see Tower 8 in operation and being used.

1876
02:35:22,100 --> 02:35:26,480
And I believe there had to have been, I'm going to say, at least four or five different

1877
02:35:26,480 --> 02:35:32,560
fire trucks at that house, and Tower 8 was right in the middle with its overhead doing

1878
02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:33,540
its thing.

1879
02:35:33,900 --> 02:35:39,540
And I for one as one resident would just like to say, I'm happy Tower 8's there and I don't

1880
02:35:39,540 --> 02:35:45,580
really care how I've got there. So it's just nice to know that it's available for our

1881
02:35:45,580 --> 02:35:54,080
township and that it can come in handy like that. And finally I just want to know is the public

1882
02:35:54,080 --> 02:36:00,040
comment going to be permanently at the end of meetings now where. So I'll answer all of your questions.

1883
02:36:00,300 --> 02:36:04,800
I'll go and reverse. The answer to that is that was not on purpose. I apologize Mr. Post. So we moved

1884
02:36:04,800 --> 02:36:08,860
public comment to the end, in the meeting when we were honoring Annapain, because we thought

1885
02:36:08,860 --> 02:36:12,480
it was appropriate to not have public comment kind of smack in the middle of that at the

1886
02:36:12,480 --> 02:36:13,080
beginning of the meeting.

1887
02:36:13,220 --> 02:36:13,580
I understood.

1888
02:36:14,320 --> 02:36:18,880
My fault for just not picking up on the last two agendas that we still at the bottom and

1889
02:36:18,880 --> 02:36:19,740
we didn't move it back up.

1890
02:36:19,840 --> 02:36:23,620
So the answer is no, it will be back up for the beginning of the meeting as it traditionally

1891
02:36:23,620 --> 02:36:24,520
has been.

1892
02:36:25,720 --> 02:36:30,820
To answer your question about the fire companies, I hope that we have expressed as a board

1893
02:36:30,820 --> 02:36:34,660
our commitment to keeping our volunteer fire companies viable and that includes the apparatus.

1894
02:36:36,400 --> 02:36:38,520
And regarding the agendas, you're correct.

1895
02:36:38,640 --> 02:36:41,940
We don't write the agendas for the planning commission for the Zoning Hearing Board.

1896
02:36:41,980 --> 02:36:47,340
I know the process that I go through when I create our agendas and our team works on them.

1897
02:36:48,240 --> 02:36:49,260
I don't know.

1898
02:36:49,620 --> 02:36:50,700
We can certainly look at this.

1899
02:36:50,820 --> 02:36:51,460
We can work on that.

1900
02:36:51,880 --> 02:36:54,860
And we did take your comments into consideration.

1901
02:36:55,200 --> 02:36:57,460
I know immediately there were a couple of agendas.

1902
02:36:57,460 --> 02:37:00,340
I put a perenn former, whatever.

1903
02:37:00,940 --> 02:37:04,860
We'll just have to make sure that we as staff continue to keep that front of mine.

1904
02:37:04,880 --> 02:37:07,840
Who writes the agendas for the, is it the chair for the?

1905
02:37:09,040 --> 02:37:10,040
No, that guy over there.

1906
02:37:12,180 --> 02:37:20,920
Is part of it that, and we speculate, is part of it that there's a notification requirement for affected properties for those two boards.

1907
02:37:21,160 --> 02:37:23,060
And so, like, you know if you're supposed to be there?

1908
02:37:23,060 --> 02:37:29,960
Yeah, I think the zoning hearing board, especially, is a very legal process and the advertisement is written.

1909
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:41,820
In a very specific way, the way that it's listed on the agenda is a very specific way. We're only required to make sure everything that needs to be on there is on there.

1910
02:37:42,120 --> 02:37:52,220
We can add more. And the same way with the PC, the Planning Commission is really, you know, Jim and Nick and I will put our heads together to remember that.

1911
02:37:52,220 --> 02:37:57,100
You know, we're government geeks, we get deep into the weeds and don't think about it.

1912
02:37:57,560 --> 02:38:00,040
But it's a really good point and we'll work on it.

1913
02:38:00,300 --> 02:38:01,500
All right, I would appreciate that.

1914
02:38:01,660 --> 02:38:07,940
I do notice that they do mention 28 addresses and work contacted or whatever.

1915
02:38:08,520 --> 02:38:13,880
If it's a residential thing to me, at least it probably only affects the houses literally,

1916
02:38:14,000 --> 02:38:15,040
right around it.

1917
02:38:15,260 --> 02:38:19,780
If it's a business, however, it affects everybody in the community, probably, depending

1918
02:38:19,780 --> 02:38:21,360
upon what the business is requesting.

1919
02:38:21,360 --> 02:38:25,720
So seeing that there were 28 people informed or whatever,

1920
02:38:26,300 --> 02:38:29,780
that doesn't really help either because you don't know what the company is,

1921
02:38:29,960 --> 02:38:31,400
and you don't know what they're asking for.

1922
02:38:32,360 --> 02:38:33,600
So it would help, I think.

1923
02:38:34,340 --> 02:38:36,600
And at the end of the meeting public comment,

1924
02:38:36,780 --> 02:38:40,640
I brought that up because I wanted to mention the Tower Eight thing last month,

1925
02:38:40,820 --> 02:38:41,940
because you had it at the end,

1926
02:38:42,140 --> 02:38:45,680
but I was upstairs and you ended about five minutes before us.

1927
02:38:45,800 --> 02:38:47,780
I couldn't get down at a time for it.

1928
02:38:47,780 --> 02:38:50,100
So it's a little old news, but I appreciate it.

1929
02:38:50,100 --> 02:38:53,620
Thank you for the time tonight and you can go home soon.

1930
02:38:53,880 --> 02:38:54,140
Thank you.

1931
02:38:54,180 --> 02:38:54,440
Thanks, Post.

1932
02:38:55,460 --> 02:38:57,600
Any other public comment on non-gen items?

1933
02:38:59,080 --> 02:39:03,260
All right, so that takes us into other business and I will start with Mr. Ballet.

1934
02:39:05,820 --> 02:39:06,200
Thank you.

1935
02:39:06,440 --> 02:39:11,360
I was on a call with Penn not earlier this morning and please report that progress on

1936
02:39:11,360 --> 02:39:16,240
the roundabout and improvements to Woodburn Road are progressing according to schedule and residents

1937
02:39:16,240 --> 02:39:22,000
can still expect during the summer school being out for the summer season for the roundabout.

1938
02:39:22,000 --> 02:39:25,200
on about intersection to be closed as planned.

1939
02:39:26,300 --> 02:39:29,460
Do we have any TA when those projects are scheduled to be completed?

1940
02:39:30,260 --> 02:39:34,140
And in the construction, you might be a little bit into early 2026,

1941
02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:37,120
but still progressing as expected.

1942
02:39:37,360 --> 02:39:38,760
And there's more information on that website,

1943
02:39:38,960 --> 02:39:40,500
for anybody who's listening, they should.

1944
02:39:40,840 --> 02:39:41,660
Thank you.

1945
02:39:41,860 --> 02:39:42,320
Mr. Custler.

1946
02:39:44,800 --> 02:39:45,420
Nothing further.

1947
02:39:45,760 --> 02:39:46,540
Thank you.

1948
02:39:47,040 --> 02:39:47,620
Mr. Esposito.

1949
02:39:48,040 --> 02:39:50,860
I just want to announce that the board did hold an executive session prior

1950
02:39:50,860 --> 02:39:52,900
to tonight's meeting to discuss personnel matters.

1951
02:39:57,240 --> 02:40:03,400
I just want to briefly thank the residents who stuck with us for this almost three-hour session.

1952
02:40:04,260 --> 02:40:06,360
I really appreciate the civic discourse.

1953
02:40:06,580 --> 02:40:12,040
I think all the comments tonight were incredibly well-reasoned and well-stated and well-intended.

1954
02:40:13,820 --> 02:40:15,340
And Chief Bartirilla didn't have to intervene.

1955
02:40:16,100 --> 02:40:19,360
So thank you for being an example of true civic discourse.

1956
02:40:19,440 --> 02:40:20,900
I appreciate it.

1957
02:40:20,900 --> 02:40:22,540
Ms. Cain.

1958
02:40:23,320 --> 02:40:24,120
Nothing further?

1959
02:40:24,540 --> 02:40:24,820
Ms. Heather.

1960
02:40:25,620 --> 02:40:30,580
I just wanted to say that the Crawl Samburg choir did an amazing job.

1961
02:40:30,740 --> 02:40:31,700
Thank you for performing.

1962
02:40:32,260 --> 02:40:34,380
Congratulations to the Rebels and the Spiders.

1963
02:40:36,220 --> 02:40:41,860
And congratulations to Park and Rex for organizing another awesome community cleanup day this weekend.

1964
02:40:42,460 --> 02:40:43,100
Way to go.

1965
02:40:43,900 --> 02:40:44,580
Thank you.

1966
02:40:45,460 --> 02:40:52,820
And I just want to take a moment if I can, to honor, we lost a former colleague recently

1967
02:40:52,820 --> 02:40:56,240
Anna Wells, who was a records clerk with the police department.

1968
02:40:56,800 --> 02:41:01,620
She'd actually just retired after working for the Middletown Township Police Department for 26

1969
02:41:01,620 --> 02:41:03,800
years and sadly she passed away.

1970
02:41:04,340 --> 02:41:08,200
So I just wanted to, if we could, just remember her and maybe just take a moment of silence

1971
02:41:08,200 --> 02:41:09,040
for Anna Wells.

1972
02:41:19,300 --> 02:41:20,080
Thank you.

1973
02:41:20,460 --> 02:41:25,080
And I have nothing further, so that concludes the meeting, I'll accept the motion to adjourn.

1974
02:41:26,520 --> 02:41:27,080
Motion to adjourn?

1975
02:41:27,980 --> 02:41:28,160
Second?

1976
02:41:28,840 --> 02:41:29,760
All right, we are adjourned. Thanks, everybody.