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I understand the turnout in voting was 260 people today. That's what the count I heard. I think for the first day of early voting, I think that's a good count in votes well.

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Typically, we have about half the voters turn out for a re-voting.

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Welcome to the city of Melodians, more of the commission training session, and we'll

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thank each and every one of you all for being here tonight.

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This has come about from feedback that we've received from the various committees.

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So thank you very much and I appreciate the time that y'all volunteer and give the city.

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The city has been making great strides of these last several years and certainly our board participation and quality is greatly increased.

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So thank you very much. The council greatly appreciates the hard work y'all do.

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We had this weekend, we had a nature walk, and we had a fish in Derby, which was excellent.

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And so we'll shout out to the parks and all.

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Before our speaker Joe Burfito's interviews, I'd like to explain the structures tonight.

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There's going to be four sessions that Joe will give.

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between the first and second session,

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there will be a short stand-up break

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between the second and third session.

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We'll take a 15 minute break

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and then again another short break.

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Hold your questions and comments till the end.

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So let Joe go through the four sessions

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right down your questions you have

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and give them to Joe.

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We are being video tonight,

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Dr. Ron Blan from the MISD and P&C will be doing the video.

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We're doing this other people that cannot make it and watch it and know where you can go back and watch it again.

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This is a very important session. We greatly appreciate everything that's all done.

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And also, we want to give a shout out to our city secretary, heavy hardware, and the hard

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work she does, and she makes our committees and all very productive, and also we think

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Tammy for her hard work, and I greatly appreciate it.

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just a coffin, our Mayor Pro Tem, but also our new mayor-elect, he's opened

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by a lamb's slides.

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So I'll turn it over to Justin. Thank you. Yeah, make sure and get out

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and vote. Listen, I had made several notes. We were supposed to have this meeting two weeks ago.

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So I made several notes and it was ready to go two weeks ago. Obviously that meeting didn't happen.

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So here we are today and haven't looked at my notes since and so I'm just pretty much going to

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what I have to say today. This is a good looking group. Good looking group. Well, mostly I see

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tighter back there, but other than that, pretty good looking group. No, I just want to start off.

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But first of all, I want to honor Mayor Reno. Mayor Reno has given us four years of his life,

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and it is a dedicated thing, and he has done a job well done. And so I want to take a moment

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to give honor where honor is due. And Mayor Reno, we thank you for your sacrifice, and we appreciate

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service to our community. So thank you Mayor Reno.

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I also want to quickly thank you all for

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being willing to serve you are in a highly competitive position. There are roughly 60 or 70 board

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members throughout the community throughout the city of Midlothian. There were about 40,000 citizens.

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Now obviously not all of them want to serve but I do know there is a roll of decks of hundreds

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of applications for the positions that we all get to sit in. And so it's in a highly competitive

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area that you are serving and choosing to serve the city and the city council and those that are

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applying to be on the city council, it's even more exponential. So thank you all to for being

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willing to be representatives of this great community that we call home. I want to say that the

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vision for our community largely has been set through the various plans and the programs,

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the downtown master plan for instance, the comprehensive plan, the parks master plan. These are

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visionary guiding documents that were put together by the citizens of Medlokin for us to have knowledge on.

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I know that the A-board also has a guiding document.

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The B-board is working on a strategic plan.

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The airport board is working on a strategic plan.

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These are documents that receive community feedback that empower our decision-making.

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So I want to challenge you and strongly encourage you to have an understanding of these documents specifically to the board that you serve on.

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because it should be an impact to what direction you give,

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what vote you make, or what advice you give to the council.

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So please, please, please, get that information in the Tami of Honor,

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our wonderful city secretary has all of those plans on hand

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and can email them out to you.

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So that is the vision for the community.

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I have the results from the survey, as Mayor Reno alluded to,

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the results of the survey that you guys took

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at the end of last year spoke to the need of training.

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and that's really what we're doing here tonight. Tonight is a very general training that

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Joker Feta City Secretary is going to go through. I will look to the boards and the board

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chairs, the board presidents, the staff liaison and the City Council liaison for board specific

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trainings going forward. So I'm hopeful that we continue the theme of continuing education

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and we continue the theme of learning because we're all in a learning process and push forward

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and that light so this will be the general training tonight and hopefully you as a board

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and your board leadership will also do board specific training because obviously that's a very

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important thing. So before I turn it over to Joe I just want to briefly hit on one thing that

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I'm particularly passionate about. I honor the season that we've come from. The season that we've

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come from has led us to the season that we're in and it's a good thing. But I'm excited about the

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that has been assembled literally to represent the will and the voice of 40,000 people.

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So you are the few, the proud, the Marines, right?

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So I appreciate your willingness to serve in that capacity.

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But one of my deepest desires is to shift the culture around serving politics divide, naturally.

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but leaders unite around shared vision. So I'm asking you, as a representative of the city, to be a leader, and to help unite the community around shared vision.

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Okay? And so let's be a good representation of the organization in which we represent.

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Now, I would say a men, and you would also say a men, but I realize that that's not what this crowd is tonight.

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But I'm very passionate about the fact that we should represent well, because we literally

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when we speak, or when we act as individuals, it represents the greater good, it represents us,

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all, so let's all commit to representing well, because this should be a positive experience for all.

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And it's okay to disagree on policy, it's okay to disagree on points. In fact, it's encouraged

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because there's health in that. Every voice should have a seat at the table. But at the end of the day,

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We should unite around shared vision, we should unite around the will of the voting group and push forward as a community and not hold grudges when it doesn't go our way.

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So make sense?

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That's where you say amen.

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I'm going to have to learn how to do better at that.

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We are elected or appointed representatives therefore what we say and how we say it matters.

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and it directly impacts people's view of our organization, of our staff, and our volunteers.

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So when we are overly critical, it represents the organization that we represent.

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So I'm asking you to please be aware of that.

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What you say and how you say it in the community is a direct reflection on your peers, and on me, and everybody else up here, if that makes sense.

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Our decorum, our professionalism, will earnest the trust of the community.

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So let's disagree with grace, and let's disagree with honor.

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But let's push together as neighbors, as people that are working together for the betterment

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of our community.

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Because your voice has value and your voice matters, but let's emelate the collective voice

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that carries the way.

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So tonight we're going to go over the recently updated governance and ethics policy that

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We're going to be trained on, you're going to be asked to sign it at some point.

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Are they going to be asked to sign it tonight?

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You're going to be asked to sign it tonight and this will set the standard of the quality

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of serving that I intend to uphold with the support of the City Council.

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And so tonight, I encourage you, as Mayor Reno mentioned, please, if you have questions

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as we go through this document, please write them down because at the end, there should be

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time of Q and A to get all your questions answered because this is the document that holds

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all, especially me, I'm pointing to you, but thumbs are pointing back at me, holds us all accountable.

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And so we're going to take it with the value and the care that we should.

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And lastly, I just want to say it's a great time to be alive, and it's a great time to be

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surveying the city of Midlothian, so thank you for your volunteer service hours.

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They do not go unnoticed, you are appreciated.

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With that, it's my pleasure to introduce Joe, which I got a really long bio.

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I'm going to read it up.

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So everybody's still here.

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General, I read these words.

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General Feeta, we love the insidia attorney, has more than 20 years experience in municipal

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law.

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He's a partner in the law firm at Nichols Jackson and currently serves as the city attorney

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for five cities in Texas, but this is the best.

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And as a secondary city attorney for three other cities, as well as a legal adviser to

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two police departments.

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He also acts as General Counsel for the Denton County Transportation Authority and has an

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assistant general counsel for eight Texas appraisal districts. He is a frequent speaker on the

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array of subject matters affecting municipalities including land use and zoning and law enforcement

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open meetings in public information act and the state federal employment law issues. We're happy

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to welcome here and here to take a very smart guy. So we're very blessed to have him here.

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You're going to have a joke or a feed up.

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It's a copy of that from my body like that. So a couple of quick rules. Now for the boring attorney,

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Amen, right? I can't pull it off like he can. I see some of you flip through the back to see how many

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slides there are. Don't panic, okay? We'll get through it. Usually two hours, but the mayor put it,

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I think five breaks, so maybe four hours. Unless you were out, we'll go for about an hour to see

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where everybody is because I don't know who's, if anyone's keeping track of break time, if you need

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to get up and use the restroom, please do. And as you said, we'll keep our comments to the end.

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And this is being recorded, so if you want to go back and look at it again because it's going to be so exciting and interesting,

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you'll have the ability to do that or share it with your loved ones.

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But keep in mind, be careful what we say because it will be recorded.

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And when I go through ethics training, I have the tendency to use examples.

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And since it's being recorded, I want to say this, these examples are all hypothetical.

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They do not represent any cities that I've represented or that I currently represent,

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But any political city council members that I currently work with, they

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are this material, because

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it is what it is, it's ethics training.

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And we also have, so you have the slides in front of you, the policy of governor, governance,

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and twenty goals.

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So, this was recently updated by the city council, we'll get into this about midway through

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I didn't want to get, you know, boo'd and fruit thrown at me if we start with this, right?

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It's a joke, kind of a long one.

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And so we'll also go through the policy on governance, but if you get a chance, please if you haven't, take time to read it, so you understand what it is.

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And then also, kind of what we start with our legal authority.

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We've got different types of boards and commissions in here.

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We've got a few boards that are final decision making boards.

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We have boards in here that are advisory nature.

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So everything that we discussed today is really in broad terms.

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There may be a few slides. I'll put up that may not be applicable to our type A and our type B corporations because of their structure

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I hope we try to remember to point out those those differences are those caveat caveats

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We all are governed by the same legal authority that both the city council is governed by as well as all the different boards and commissions and where does that come from?

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We just make that up and we say hey, you can't do that. Are we making it up maybe sometimes but most of the time where it where does it come from?

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It comes from several different places, chapter 171 and 176,

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the Texas Local Government Code.

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If you know the Texas Local Government Code,

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you can be a city attorney that's all takes.

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Just understand the local Government Code,

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and you can stand here.

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But that is where we get our conflicts of interest

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and what creates a conflict of interest.

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We also have the city charter.

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And that's the great thing about the city

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and the city and the city and the city and the people

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would call home rule charter.

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And it was at a conference all last week

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in Austin, and every speaker got up and they start by, how many of you in here are X,

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so how many of you in here are Y? So I realize I don't like asking that question anymore,

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but how many of you in here have read our Home Rule Charter? Don't lie. Okay? It's good.

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Kyle's raised in the same place, right Kyle?

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Again, take the opportunity to read the Home

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Rule Charter, because it's an important guide. And one of the things about Midlothian as well

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many of your other surrounding cities. We call ourselves home rule cities. So what is the charter?

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Well, the charter is more or less our guiding document of what we can and cannot do. And under state law,

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home rule cities can do pretty much everything anything they want to do. I'll put it that way.

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Unless they're legislating to tell them they can.

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Can't do it. I'm not going to pick on the legislature because it's being taped, but there are a lot of things now, the legislature is telling us we can't do, which is fine, and that's a lot of times because cities have over extended their authority, which have led to laws that sort of pull back the authority of home rule cities.

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So, but the city charter, which was developed, we became a home rule city, roughly 1980, I believe, because told me I'm not that fact, check that.

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In the interest in enough, the city charter has not been amended or updates since 1980.

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Good or bad?

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It's working, right?

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If you look at one of your, near by cities, the city of December, they're going to have 39 valid propositions,

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or propositions on the ballot that change the charter.

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So there are a lot of cities that, it's an evolving document, but it has work for the city of the city of the Lothian.

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So if you get a chance, go and read the city charter.

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It's online. You can find it. You can Google City in the Lothian City Charter and it's going to take you right there. The power of Google.

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So our code of ordinances, our code of ordinances book that is also online with the City Charter.

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Again, that is one of your other documents where you're going to find most of the stuff that we're going to be discussing today.

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So you got code of ordinances, your City Charter and the Texas local government code for the most part as how we get to where we are today.

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So, as I stated earlier, we are a home rural city with a council management form of government.

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What does that mean?

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That's much like a corporation, right?

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Where we have the stockholders elected board of directors, which are going to be your city council members,

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who are that highly chief executive executive, which is your city manager, to manage the day-to-day affairs of the city, or of the corporation, very similar.

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You know, your voters elect the city council, and they employ city manager to manage the city.

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And most cities, including City Manager, has in charge of the day-to-day affairs of the city and of all the employees.

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And we have a little caveat, carved out in ours, where our City Council does have some authority with kind of a given approval for certain positions in the city.

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But for the most part, the City Manager is over the staff and runs the day-to-day affairs of the city.

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And the city chart is very specific about what's the roles of responsibilities of the city manager and what are the roles of responsibilities of the city council.

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So when you look at a council of management form,

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if you do obviously that, I mean, our meetings would be a lot shorter if we only stuck at least four point points.

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They do a lot of things, but for the most part, the legislative body, approve the budget, set the tax rate, and they are the policy makers that determine the scope and function of city government.

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And I think that's important to run the policy makers, right?

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And there are other types of government or other types of municipalities, general law cities,

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I'll give you an example of the nearby general law city, which is the city of Hutchins.

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And the city of Hutchins is the city administrator for government, but you have

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as a city management

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form,

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so this is just a little bit back a little

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bit, some of the other ethics stuff.

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So under the city management form of government, the city council members, boards and

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commissions and members have no administrative duty, right?

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are advisory and nature, but you have no administrative duties, you are not employees of the

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city.

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Administrative duties are vested in the city manager who directs the workforce and manages

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the programs of the city, the ordinance rules and regulations adopted by the city.

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So what does that mean?

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Does that

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mean he picks on me?

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When you're driving down the road and you see an employee cutting a branch and you're like,

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man, he's cutting that branch the wrong way.

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Are you going to stop your car to

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members?

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Leave it as council members, we don't direct the day-to-day affairs of the employees of the city.

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You know, yeah, you're going to probably tell me, let me show you how this way versus that way

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of the city employees.

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And in the city mid-Lothian, those that report directly to the council are the city manager.

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The city attorney, I was a city secretary, if you mean that's a good thing I got promoted.

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And the city secretary and the judge, those

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are, okay, and then the city council,

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It looks to the city manager to hold the city manager accountable for the actions or inactions of the

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thing.

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I go to fit.

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And then why do we have the board to commission

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the city council in that policy?

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The policy making or decision that they need to make, you give the council recommendations.

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Commandations.

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So you say, yes, they must.

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Right.

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The mission set up is to assist the city council in the decision.

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They're solid advisory, solid advisory bodies to the city council.

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Why do we say that?

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When we talk about final decision making, you know,

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PNZ has some final decision making authority when it becomes proven the assertive types of

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plats and so forth, but the reality of it and obviously type A and Type B,

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city council

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for recommendations, they have authority within a certain amount to be final decision making.

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So there are caveats or car mounts if you will have some for some of the board to commit

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authority,

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but who gives them that final

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counsel?

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All right, the city charter prohibits city council from giving any orders publicly or privately

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to city employees other than city managers and all requests must go to the city manager.

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Okay, let's talk reality.

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we know where you go when you talk. You talk to employees, employees help you out. Okay, no big deal.

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But the bottom line is as

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expectations are upon employees to

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move this shed that the part

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of these are making these up seriously.

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But those are the things that we need to be aware of.

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I'm on the city council. Please bring, please bring,

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I have to use the city dozer over on my private public, you know, some of my dirt around.

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And surprisingly, that happened.

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You read about it in the paper all the time.

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Sometimes people just don't think those through.

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And sometimes the employees think, oh, they're on the board.

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Or they're on the city council.

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And they're asking me to do this.

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And I better do it.

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And that's what the city chart is.

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The city chart is specifically for Hivets that.

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They actually have been several cities where they're been recalled by the citizens have done a recall

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on the council members specifically for that reason because the council members were getting involved

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and the day-to-day affairs of the city and going to city employees specifically and directing city

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employees to do certain things. So

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missions or

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commissions or any other members,

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have authority to direct city staff for a form task. A lot of that times that comes

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up. Some of you

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just have, you know, a few paragraphs in the city charter or in the code or in your code,

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or it says it tells you what your authority is

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and then when we late

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until 244 we'll get into

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the more specifics of what are our guiding.

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Because the board's commissions are solely advisory

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and nature boards and commission members are not authorized

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to speak in official capacity for the city.

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Interview request from media as letters from attorneys,

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requesting responses, media and inquiries, legal statements,

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requests should be referred to the city manager's office.

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And this is something that I see frequently happens.

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You may have

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a, you know, people love the park.

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And if something happens in the parks,

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and a parks board members there, in the media,

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goes up to a park board member and asks a question

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in our case, it's the mayor.

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They are the spokesmen,

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2,000 individuals, so what?

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One can sit among the city, over a certain of that.

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And don't say, call the lawyer, please.

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Code of Ethics,

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this will be great.

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On the Code of Ethics, what is the purpose?

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So the purpose of the Code of Ethics.

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And this is a lot of common sense, feel good, feel good, type

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of mind.

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And sure, public officials are independent, impartial,

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and responsible only for the citizens.

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Prevent any interest, financial otherwise,

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director, and director, engagement,

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and any business transaction or professional activity

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of a public official to conflict with the properties

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charge of their duties in the public interest.

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And we'll talk specifically about certain

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coming

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conflict.

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Prevent a public official from being used for personal gain

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and ensure that the boards and commissions

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are all times maintained as non-biased bodies.

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do not participate in a vote or decision on any matter which the member has a substantial interest

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because that's chapter 17 one of the local government code and actually behind who

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will discuss what

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is a relationship

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or based on your business on something that is before your board commission or the city council

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and there's an affidavit of affidavit of conflicts for interest which is required by law to be filled out

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if you have a substantial interest you may not always have to

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not participate in the boat or not participate in the discussion but we first need to identify

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can you have a substantial interest in what does that mean and make sure the form

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members should have these somewhat handy. But one thing you don't want to be doing is you use

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boat it on something and then someone comes to you like three weeks later go oh you should have

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filled it south okay but again in the respect confidentiality of the information can

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start in the property personal affairs of the city. The city council, P&Z, the EDC's

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have the ability to go to executive session over certain matters, whether it's property,

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personal, I'm not going into executive session.

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The law has carved out reasons why courts and commissions can go into executive session

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why they don't have to hash it out in front of the public.

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We want to ensure that when we're going back into those executive sessions, that the information

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that we discuss in executive session remains right there in executive session, because if

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you come out and you just start telling everybody, then there's absolutely no reason for

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to be an executive session, correct?

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So I get a lot of calls from clients

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and hey, can we go and do executive session over that?

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Over this, that, and you know, I take them through the statute

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and sometimes, it's simply, we just don't want to have this

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to discuss it out in public.

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Because there's some hard discussions.

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Sometimes you have to have it out in public,

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you just don't want to do.

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But the statute is very specific as to when you can

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and cannot go into an executive session.

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So we're going to chance to look at a lot of the school boards

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because they always use the same firm.

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If you look at their agenda,

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they will take the executive session,

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and they'll list every provision under the statute

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that they're possibly is for executive session,

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drawing their meetings.

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If you look at, we are a lot more conservative,

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and we will only put those things

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that we believe will be having an executive session on.

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And we'll give you an idea of what it is

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provided that we're not disclosing any confidential information.

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So if you're ever looking at the agenda,

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and it says executive session on real estate, right?

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But it doesn't give you the address or it may sound

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the north side of the city.

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Why do we not disclose, why do we not disclose where,

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or we're going to do executive session?

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Why not?

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Come on, somebody, somebody, all right, I'll tell you why.

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So pizza, get into you, I'm like one piece.

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So usually what we'll go back into executive session,

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we'll have a discussion about a piece of property,

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maybe if we want to purchase that property, right?

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We decided to let's go ahead and purchase it,

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let's send somebody out.

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You don't vote in executive sessions. I'll talk about that here in a few and you know, we're going to send somebody off to negotiate with a property owner.

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We give a range. You know,

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be dollars.

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We give a range for, you know, whether it's a city manager or somebody else working on behalf of the city.

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Then when we come back, when we go out to the public, we go out to the public with that purchase salary.

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And so at that point, because public, because we don't want people to know that we don't want them to call out now.

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Those are things that you don't want to come out of executive session and be telling everybody,

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Hey, the city is going to be going after, you know, neighbor Joe over there and it's going to be, uh, asking,

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uh, so again, we need to keep those things and executive session that we discuss in executive session.

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Don't disclose confidential information without proper legal authorization or you use such information to advance a personal financial or other private interest.

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Just like those are you where might you need to see people.

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Development corporations.

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You know, when you go back and do executive session, you may have a company back there that's showing you their financials, right?

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Well, they're probably over a loss. I actually too should put them there financial also trying to get the best deal

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But you don't want to go out and a lot of time you're going to decide to sign a non-disclosure for

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those financials

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All right, and no

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Public resources that are not available to the public in general, such as city staff time equipment supplies or facilities for private gain or personal purposes, actually using the city copier to do your flyers for your election.

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Refraining from accepting any gifts, favors or promises of future benefits which compromise their independence of judgment or action or give the appearance of value for compromise.

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So anything over basically anything less than $50 is not count is there anything that less than $50

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So I use it this applies all boards. This is across the board. This is a stock count. Oh, this applies all boards and commission members

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So if I give you

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Alan

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I

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Take it to the cowboy to the cowboys game, right 18th state of Cowboys get I need you take it right. I'm a vendor. I'm who don't want to be I

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So I didn't know.

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The

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violation of that first one.

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Pretty easy.

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Listen to me.

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You did that.

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I'm going.

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I do like to do that because you're a guy.

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I did have a mayor call me.

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It was on Sunday, right?

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Of course.

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And I knew you had the game.

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I could hear the commotion in the background.

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He's like, hey, it's okay.

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I took a ticket right for zero dollars.

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You know, right from the stadium was just got,

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just opened up.

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And I'm like, no, it's not okay, it goes, well, can I give it to my son?

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Wait, are you already at the game?

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Don't answer that question

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again, so if you have to basically anything that's less than $50, I did this last year and someone goes, what do they get a raise it?

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I don't know, talk to your legislator, because that's actually in the Texas Peele coat that $50, we didn't just come up with that number.

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So again, don't use your official position to influence government positions, which make it the appearance of conflict of interest

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Members don't represent the official policies or positions of the City Council Board to

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commission to the best their ability when it doesn't get delegated for this purpose.

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When presenting their individual opinions and positions, members don't explicitly state that

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you don't represent the body, the city, and the north, and north allow the interference

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to be.

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So we'll talk.

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I'll break that down a little bit here.

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So let's go with the first part.

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Don't use your official position to influence government positions, which may give the

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appearance of conflicts of interest.

450
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:48,270
And what does that mean?

451
00:32:48,270 --> 00:32:49,950
And again, I using Hypothetic.

452
00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:52,960
We had a,

453
00:32:55,060 --> 00:32:59,140
for this council, look for another hypothetical city council, and the individual was up.

454
00:32:59,180 --> 00:32:59,960
They were discussing,

455
00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:05,760
I'm trying to, why this contract is city,

456
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,440
council is at you seek on south real quick, right?

457
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,780
But like an hour to this conversation, like when you're just about in the first three minutes,

458
00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:13,300
we know where we're going to end up, right?

459
00:33:13,540 --> 00:33:16,320
So what council members gets off the end of the dius?

460
00:33:16,860 --> 00:33:19,060
And he rips it, you know, this is my company.

461
00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:21,020
Please vote for this.

462
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,180
Okay, that's a pretty easy.

463
00:33:25,150 --> 00:33:26,730
And so I'm sitting there and I was like,

464
00:33:26,730 --> 00:33:29,810
to turn forward about three hours, like what do I do, what I do, what I do,

465
00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:32,250
how I'm

466
00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:34,150
set up. But again,

467
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:37,720
Mr. Member, you don't want to give that a

468
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,580
appearance that you're influencing, whether it's your book, whether it's your

469
00:33:40,580 --> 00:33:43,980
commission, your council to vote one way or that or because of the

470
00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:47,480
position that you're in, especially if you're on a nonprofit, right? You're on a

471
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:47,600
nonprofit,

472
00:33:50,350 --> 00:33:53,090
to the city or to one of your, one of your development corporations,

473
00:33:53,310 --> 00:33:57,150
you want to make darn sure that you fill out your conflict of interest for them, and

474
00:33:57,150 --> 00:34:02,210
you are not participating in that discussion. You can't, and don't sit there, either,

475
00:34:02,210 --> 00:34:08,130
give him dirty, looks or throw things out of him, excuse yourself from the room, leave the

476
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:13,430
room to you're not there. And, you know,

477
00:34:21,250 --> 00:34:23,370
we got really hot, we had, we were doing

478
00:34:23,370 --> 00:34:27,110
excations, right? And one of the council members, who was on the council at the time that

479
00:34:27,110 --> 00:34:31,650
was voting in favor of the annexation, just wasn't in favor of this one, because it involved

480
00:34:31,650 --> 00:34:35,630
some of his property. It says, look, you know, you can't leave the room, go to the back.

481
00:34:35,630 --> 00:34:39,470
because it sits right in the front is like yelling out at the council members.

482
00:34:42,150 --> 00:34:42,870
So again the

483
00:34:42,870 --> 00:34:43,430
law does not

484
00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:05,280
work. We're presenting their individual opinions and positions of members

485
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:10,620
so explicitly state they do not represent their body or the city of middle. What does that mean?

486
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,160
You know, especially nowadays with social media. What does that mean? We can't get on social media

487
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:21,610
and ever express our opinions. Am I taking away your first amendment right? I have been accused of

488
00:35:21,610 --> 00:35:25,730
it before, but no, I'm not. But I do think it's very important when you're on your own when

489
00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:29,670
you're on your own social media sector, you have your own opinion.

490
00:35:29,970 --> 00:35:32,290
One of them, we can't take that hat off, right?

491
00:35:32,410 --> 00:35:33,590
We're always going to be a council member.

492
00:35:33,590 --> 00:35:34,830
We're always going to be a part board member.

493
00:35:34,930 --> 00:35:39,690
People see us as that, but when you have an opinion that you think may be contrary to

494
00:35:39,690 --> 00:35:42,470
the city, I do think it's important sometimes to say, hey, put that, you know,

495
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:46,570
put that to the screen, put it in my opinion, I wouldn't vote for it, or my opinion,

496
00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:50,630
I would vote for it, hopefully it's not something on your board that you're saying

497
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:52,230
that about, but again,

498
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,220
behind that.

499
00:35:57,220 --> 00:35:58,480
So it does not come

500
00:36:04,050 --> 00:36:05,710
up since can't make that distinction.

501
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:11,430
So they may come to you and ask you a question and they're thinking that you're answering it as a body of the Holy.

502
00:36:12,010 --> 00:36:15,370
Hey, at the development corporation, are y'all going to, y'all think you're

503
00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:25,450
going to get it, it's tired, and like, wait a minute, you told me it was going to pass, right?

504
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:34,410
So again, make sure you make sure you're not representing the opinions of the board as a whole when it's your own opinions.

505
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:40,310
Can that business and open a well-publicized meetings in order to be directly accountable to the citizens of middle-of-the-law?

506
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:41,250
and keep your business.

507
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,820
I get a lot of you at Jen does.

508
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,700
And just, how many of you look at your agenda

509
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:53,120
before it's,

510
00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:02,320
I'm not too close to that, no, I'm kidding.

511
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,500
I get a lot of questions, I get a lot of questions,

512
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:07,380
I look at the agenda, so when I look at the agenda,

513
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,840
this is the attorney looking at the agenda,

514
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,760
so I meet the intent of the law.

515
00:37:13,340 --> 00:37:15,020
Is the public know what we're

516
00:37:20,140 --> 00:37:20,240
going to,

517
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:21,720
especially now with the laws changed

518
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:25,460
and before the law required that the public

519
00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:26,640
could cover the council meetings,

520
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:32,340
But you only have to let the public talk for and what, a public hearing, right?

521
00:37:32,820 --> 00:37:35,700
So the city can go about their business, do all their, you know, the other nine things

522
00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:38,820
on consent, don't have to hear from your public.

523
00:37:38,940 --> 00:37:42,700
Have the public hearings, we listen to you, then just have the regular orderly business.

524
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,620
By while we're never required to fill out the public to speak on those.

525
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:53,980
The law has now changed and says that anything that we apply this to all boards and commissions,

526
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,880
and you'll see that citizen comment portion.

527
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:01,180
But any decisions, any item that's going to be a decision that night, not discussion but

528
00:38:01,180 --> 00:38:04,400
decision, the public has a right to speak on that.

529
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:07,220
And that was implemented last legislative session.

530
00:38:08,180 --> 00:38:09,120
So again, that's why it's important.

531
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,120
Look at your agenda and make sure the public knows what it is that you are going to

532
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:16,560
use of having

533
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:17,460
secret meetings.

534
00:38:17,580 --> 00:38:20,800
Supposing your agenda is in a way that, hey, they don't want the public,

535
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:24,520
respect it here

536
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:31,680
to the council manager, manager structure of the local and city government as outlined by the

537
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,100
So I'm not interfering with the administrative functions of the city or the professional

538
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:36,180
duties of the city staff.

539
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:40,460
Nor shall they direct interfere with the ability of staff to implement council policies, decisions

540
00:38:40,460 --> 00:38:45,040
and recognize special roles in dealing with city employees in a no way creates a perception

541
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,320
of inappropriate direction to staff.

542
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:54,700
And kind of some roundabout way, in some cases that I've been dealing with recently, is council members,

543
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,040
boards and commission members, although you're not employees, you're still held to a lot

544
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,880
the same legal standards as another employee will be.

545
00:39:02,020 --> 00:39:07,680
So in other words, can you harass and even though you're not an employee, can you still harass a board member?

546
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:13,680
So that's why, you know, you want, we need to be cautious about how we treat employees and

547
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,660
and treat them with respect and the employees have to do the same with you.

548
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,540
All right, let's talk about some substantial interest.

549
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,380
And that goes back to that form that I showed you.

550
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,500
How do I know when I should not be voting on something or when I should refrain from voting?

551
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:29,180
And when I should leave the room,

552
00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:34,010
three times, we got business interest, I have an interest

553
00:39:34,010 --> 00:39:39,730
because of my business property because of the property that I own, or my former relationship

554
00:39:39,730 --> 00:39:40,670
that I'm in, no kidding.

555
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:46,210
Our relationship, based on continuity or affinity, if they have a lot or merits, based on

556
00:39:46,210 --> 00:39:46,850
my relationship.

557
00:39:49,110 --> 00:39:53,170
So, there's two, there are basically two steps, I'm not going to say the text is two steps.

558
00:39:53,370 --> 00:39:54,350
There's two steps.

559
00:39:55,050 --> 00:39:58,050
Well, there's a business entity mean, ownership and stock.

560
00:39:58,050 --> 00:39:59,250
So we look at stock first.

561
00:39:59,450 --> 00:40:07,410
If I had a business entity, do I own 10% or more of the voting stock or shares of this entity

562
00:40:07,950 --> 00:40:13,350
for our own 10% or more or 15,000 dollars or more of the fair market value of that business

563
00:40:13,350 --> 00:40:13,710
entity.

564
00:40:13,950 --> 00:40:17,410
That's one way that you can have a substantial interest in a business.

565
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:18,290
This is for the stock.

566
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:20,050
There are, it's your income interest.

567
00:40:20,730 --> 00:40:21,270
The money down.

568
00:40:21,470 --> 00:40:23,190
It's the only paycheck I get, right?

569
00:40:23,530 --> 00:40:24,610
It's the only paycheck I get.

570
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:25,850
That's going to be income interest.

571
00:40:25,850 --> 00:40:30,170
So, let's see, exceeds 10% of the person's growth income for the previous year, okay?

572
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:36,210
So, if either of those two are met, step one, you're going to have an interest in that business.

573
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:37,430
So, if that business is

574
00:40:39,610 --> 00:40:42,730
Board of Commission members in Council, then you need to think, okay.

575
00:40:43,070 --> 00:40:45,530
Is there going to be a conflict of interest?

576
00:40:46,030 --> 00:40:47,770
That's when we move on to step two.

577
00:40:48,370 --> 00:40:50,590
So, what is step two, the next question, okay?

578
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:57,310
I met the business interest because that's the only check that I get is more than 10%.

579
00:40:57,310 --> 00:41:02,950
will the action on the matter have a special economic effect on the business at the

580
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:05,730
status distinguishable from the effect on the public,

581
00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:09,490
but will the action on the matter

582
00:41:09,490 --> 00:41:14,170
of a special economic effect? Is that going to affect me working for this business? How they vote?

583
00:41:14,250 --> 00:41:18,790
How we vote? Will that affect me? Any differently than how it would affect the

584
00:41:20,130 --> 00:41:25,550
public, if you're part of a non-profit, and you receive funds from that non-profit?

585
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,200
You are

586
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,560
step two that answer is going to be yes,

587
00:41:44,350 --> 00:41:45,610
right under reason that I can vote

588
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,480
and we can answer these questions beforehand

589
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,200
The one thing that

590
00:42:07,570 --> 00:42:12,210
dropping to do this on the fly like when the cameras are rolling and having to make this determination

591
00:42:12,210 --> 00:42:18,430
Okay, this is easy. This one is easy, right make that determination. It's this get that gets a little bit more difficult

592
00:42:18,430 --> 00:42:20,710
Especially when my plan in the zoning folks

593
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:24,990
Okay, plan in zoning plan in zoning y'all scared to raise your hands off

594
00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:29,990
You see this move off in then anybody else you're gonna see it's the 200 foot rule too

595
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:35,270
When we get the property, you're going to see that more on your board more so than anybody else.

596
00:42:35,290 --> 00:42:43,710
That's why it's important, especially for you as P&Z members, read your agenda to make sure you get a few checks or mail now every day, right?

597
00:42:44,250 --> 00:42:45,650
And that's why I didn't check my mail.

598
00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:47,530
Okay, we'll still, you're still within 200 feet.

599
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:48,110
So guess what?

600
00:42:48,650 --> 00:42:49,730
Can you or can you not vote?

601
00:42:49,890 --> 00:42:50,390
You can't vote.

602
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:56,690
Pretty the person has an interest that is an equitable or legal ownership.

603
00:42:57,250 --> 00:42:57,810
It's only $2500.

604
00:42:58,430 --> 00:43:00,570
It's fair market of how you have $2500, okay?

605
00:43:03,630 --> 00:43:13,270
And then step two is a reasonably foreseeable that an action on a matter involving the real property will have a specific economic theft on the value of the real property.

606
00:43:13,390 --> 00:43:14,990
It's a negligible from its effect on the public.

607
00:43:18,510 --> 00:43:23,870
And 200 feet guess what? The answer that's going to usually be on a zoning case.

608
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:25,330
It's going to be yes.

609
00:43:25,330 --> 00:43:35,990
Okay, but let's talk it through it. Maybe a different distinction if the city is acquiring a there's going to be a contract for a contract or to acquire

610
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:38,810
Right away in a rather than front of your house,

611
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,900
I should maybe different, but that's something that we need to talk through

612
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:47,020
then relationships

613
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,000
Public officials consider to have a substantial relationship

614
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,640
of substantial relationships,

615
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:53,660
substantial interest.

616
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,900
If a person is related to the official,

617
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,260
their first degree,

618
00:43:57,660 --> 00:43:58,840
consequently, our affinity,

619
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:00,720
the substantial interest,

620
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,260
consequently, that blood relationship,

621
00:44:03,020 --> 00:44:04,700
affinity, that's marriage, okay?

622
00:44:05,420 --> 00:44:06,800
I still have to look this up every time

623
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:07,660
out to 20 years.

624
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,980
Consequently, blood relationship, affinity is marriage.

625
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:12,820
And it's first degree,

626
00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:15,080
father's son, aka parent,

627
00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:16,560
son or daughter, child.

628
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,400
So again, you want the memorizing as we talk it through,

629
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,960
look at the agenda and ask the question.

630
00:44:23,580 --> 00:44:24,000
Right, Clark,

631
00:44:28,420 --> 00:44:29,940
see if you're all the way, sorry.

632
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,440
What 10 years ago, I think we're like,

633
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:38,900
six real estate, just on the council.

634
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,240
So, first of all, we have infinity,

635
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,380
spouse, parents, child, that's her first degree of infinity.

636
00:44:45,980 --> 00:44:48,320
And I think it was really interested in first, second,

637
00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:51,940
and third degree, I got an amazing chart, I can send to you.

638
00:44:52,580 --> 00:44:54,480
And there are actually other cities that go,

639
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,020
this is the basic of state law.

640
00:44:56,020 --> 00:44:59,740
There are actually cities out there that go further in the second degree and third degree.

641
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,980
Relationships that they won't let you participate on votes. So in the thing to remember about this, and this gets a little bit into Robert's rules and order, which we'll talk about here shortly is, you obviously don't vote in this. When you legally cannot vote, you feel that for now, you legally cannot vote. So that vote isn't going to account against, we'll call the applicant, right? That vote won't count against, and because you're not there, right? So if there's only five left, because two of y'all had to, you know, it's a

642
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:33,240
and it's basically a three-two vote, it's gonna pass, right?

643
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,940
So, but if you decide to, I'm gonna have staying just because,

644
00:45:36,940 --> 00:45:38,040
I don't know, I feel like I'm staying,

645
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,260
and I don't know enough about it,

646
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,460
and I don't like this guy, I can't vote one way or the other,

647
00:45:41,460 --> 00:45:43,740
I'm in the size of whatever, you have staying.

648
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,120
That's when you start running into the problems,

649
00:45:47,420 --> 00:45:48,500
if you get too many people of staying,

650
00:45:48,620 --> 00:45:50,740
because if you have seven people,

651
00:45:51,580 --> 00:45:53,480
and two people decide to do up staying,

652
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:55,120
just because you know I don't wanna vote,

653
00:45:55,940 --> 00:45:57,900
that affects the ability for that to pass,

654
00:45:57,900 --> 00:46:01,380
So if it's a 32, it's a 32 with two of a standing that won't pass.

655
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,920
So that's why it's important when you're thinking, when do I have staying from a vote?

656
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:10,180
As your attorney, I'm going to tell you, you should only have staying when you were legally

657
00:46:10,180 --> 00:46:11,980
required to abstain, okay?

658
00:46:12,260 --> 00:46:13,000
But I get it.

659
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:13,360
I get it.

660
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:20,800
I understand there's times when maybe it's your neighbor and you have no legal reason, but you

661
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,440
just can't vote because it's your neighbor.

662
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,320
Maybe you should just like stay home sick that night or something, I'm not completely kidding.

663
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:41,780
But I do say that I can't jokingly, those votes are important, those votes are necessary and being in the positions that you're in and you have to vote, you're chosen, you're chosen by the people of vote, you're chosen by them to vote.

664
00:46:41,980 --> 00:46:45,760
So it is important to just suck it up and vote in my opinion.

665
00:46:46,580 --> 00:46:52,620
And there was sometimes if you missed a meeting and you don't have enough information, I get that.

666
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,720
But you know, try to get the information you can before you come to the next meeting,

667
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,440
especially if something's been carried over from the previous meeting.

668
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,800
So you can make that decision on that, I know.

669
00:47:02,670 --> 00:47:03,990
I always get to make them both.

670
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:04,410
Make them both.

671
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:05,570
I'm like, hey, I'm just the attorney.

672
00:47:07,530 --> 00:47:07,910
So, all right.

673
00:47:08,190 --> 00:47:12,630
Substantial interest is determined following after David with the City Secretary of State from Deliberating and Body.

674
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:17,350
A violation is a class eight misdemeanor class eight misdemeanor, okay

675
00:47:17,350 --> 00:47:21,430
It's intentional. I mean you've got to know that you intentionally did it

676
00:47:24,930 --> 00:47:26,770
I think I gave everybody at the fence. I didn't know

677
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,520
The disclosure form we talked about it fill out legal room.

678
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:37,510
I mean the break. We good

679
00:47:38,850 --> 00:47:42,690
Take five, okay, we're paying the attorney

680
00:47:43,810 --> 00:47:49,690
Everybody has the copy of the governor's policy

681
00:47:50,130 --> 00:47:54,790
We're always going to go through this quickly and we'll kind of slow down in some areas

682
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:56,450
of the whole thing to report.

683
00:47:56,610 --> 00:47:57,610
So please read it.

684
00:47:57,730 --> 00:47:59,610
I think, is this what they're going to have to sign?

685
00:48:00,370 --> 00:48:02,390
That they read, not that you necessarily agree with, but you read it.

686
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:05,290
The floor, your answer, just sign it.

687
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:10,590
So, this applies to all boards and commission members.

688
00:48:11,950 --> 00:48:19,670
So when you read it, look at the top and who it applies to, because that's how it's

689
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:23,650
commissions, whether applies to the city council, because there's some distinctions between

690
00:48:23,650 --> 00:48:24,350
the two.

691
00:48:24,510 --> 00:48:29,430
I'm probably going to focus on what applies to the Board's and commissions during this setting.

692
00:48:30,490 --> 00:48:33,310
So, and I don't really necessarily want to read these to you, but unfortunately, I think

693
00:48:33,310 --> 00:48:34,250
I need to.

694
00:48:34,730 --> 00:48:35,210
Governance.

695
00:48:35,230 --> 00:48:38,490
The chair shall preside and all meetings of their respective boards.

696
00:48:38,970 --> 00:48:41,290
The vice chair shall preside and his or her absence.

697
00:48:41,770 --> 00:48:43,870
We're going to talk a little bit about Robert's rules and more.

698
00:48:44,290 --> 00:48:47,710
But the role of the chair is let the chair be the chair, right?

699
00:48:47,710 --> 00:48:54,630
let the chair run the meeting okay let the chair run the meeting don't have seven people run the

700
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:55,910
meeting becomes very confused

701
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,580
okay but let the chair run the meeting let the mayor run the

702
00:49:01,580 --> 00:49:04,740
meeting that's what I always say it's the mayor's meeting we may have not liked the way that

703
00:49:04,740 --> 00:49:05,660
they're running it

704
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:14,460
but vice chair presides in his or her absence the chair suffers our order in

705
00:49:14,460 --> 00:49:19,300
shall require board members engaged in debate to limit the discussion to the question that is

706
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,520
consideration. And again, you know, a lot of times people, you

707
00:49:32,420 --> 00:49:33,460
want to help to you, and they're

708
00:49:33,460 --> 00:49:34,340
not the city attorney,

709
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:53,720
you know, if we start going on

710
00:49:57,590 --> 00:49:59,110
a question, how does this relate

711
00:49:59,110 --> 00:50:03,370
back to the item that we're discussing? And then I was like, oh, it will, you wait to

712
00:50:03,370 --> 00:50:05,690
turn it, it will. That's a

713
00:50:10,650 --> 00:50:15,060
blessing to the decision at hand or the topic at that's why

714
00:50:15,060 --> 00:50:19,700
when I, when I approve agenda is where it just says, discuss the parks. Okay, seriously

715
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:24,980
know, we're not going to just, we need to break it down into what it is that we're going

716
00:50:24,980 --> 00:50:29,060
So number one, the public knows what we're discussing, and number two, the chair next.

717
00:50:29,140 --> 00:50:32,140
So what we're discussing, and the chair can keep order.

718
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:36,520
And for those of you that aren't chairs, you're going to be a chair, or it's sometime in the future,

719
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,920
or a chair, you're chair, and your dreams, one way to kind of remember is, okay, bring

720
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,420
important ever back in, okay, let's relate to

721
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:50,270
this in a future, put it on a future agenda item,

722
00:50:54,930 --> 00:50:56,210
Read the agenda, understand the agenda.

723
00:50:56,230 --> 00:51:00,130
I keep the agenda in front of you, and I just do check marks, for me, as I'm going,

724
00:51:00,130 --> 00:51:03,150
you know, as I'm going through the agenda, that's probably good way for the

725
00:51:03,150 --> 00:51:07,150
just to kind of keep a reminder and look down and see what that topic is.

726
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:14,250
Members must be present to vote, and members must be present in order to vote at any meeting.

727
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:17,170
Okay, you cannot vote by proxy.

728
00:51:17,470 --> 00:51:18,850
All right, you cannot vote by proxy.

729
00:51:26,430 --> 00:51:27,050
That doesn't count.

730
00:51:27,210 --> 00:51:28,130
It's not there.

731
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:28,830
I don't care.

732
00:51:28,890 --> 00:51:31,430
I can't call in and say, hey, you know, vote for me.

733
00:51:31,950 --> 00:51:35,350
And we do have, there are some changes in the rules, especially with a pandemic about

734
00:51:36,130 --> 00:51:37,330
doing meetings, virtual.

735
00:51:37,330 --> 00:51:38,130
I'm not going to get into

736
00:51:40,850 --> 00:51:45,250
some exceptions for that, but just so you have the exceptions

737
00:51:45,250 --> 00:51:50,210
if someone is going to be a virtual, which someday we may have the technology to do it,

738
00:51:50,430 --> 00:51:55,990
but it still requires the public to be able to see your face, if you're virtual, to see

739
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:56,530
your face,

740
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,040
you know, you can't just, you just can't be on the phone or in your car and

741
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:02,920
they don't see your face.

742
00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:05,160
So the weather law was changed,

743
00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:11,490
the present, at the location where the meetings take a place

744
00:52:11,490 --> 00:52:13,770
so you can have, you know, depending on what your corner is, two,

745
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:20,120
three, the following

746
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:24,200
number of absences shall constitute the basis for replacement of the member. Now remember,

747
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:29,200
uh, council members are elected, right? And how do we get rid of council members? Not that

748
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:34,960
we ever would want to, but how do we get rid of council members? Or their terms run out?

749
00:52:35,460 --> 00:52:41,740
Or yes, vote them out, recall, or their terms, or their, well, they've termed out, some

750
00:52:41,740 --> 00:52:46,560
places. Okay. So, uh, as far as,

751
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:51,070
you have no rights, right? Yeah. You're, you're pointed

752
00:52:51,070 --> 00:52:54,790
you're appointed by the city council. I say that just, you know, kind of like not the

753
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:58,390
mode, but the falling number of absence of child council, the base of replacement of

754
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:59,830
a member, three consecutive apps,

755
00:53:02,830 --> 00:53:03,550
you consider the

756
00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:11,110
addition of any member who has four

757
00:53:11,110 --> 00:53:16,210
absence and a rolling 12 months period job, you also consider making. So that's the policy,

758
00:53:19,130 --> 00:53:23,450
there's going to be exceptions and you'll work with your liaison and the event, any of those

759
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:28,390
exceptions come up so we can address those. Okay, so this is kind of a mouthful, let me get through it.

760
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:30,510
should a conflict arise among board members

761
00:53:30,510 --> 00:53:32,210
that the chair cannot resolve.

762
00:53:32,590 --> 00:53:34,030
So you have a conflict amongst board members

763
00:53:38,030 --> 00:53:41,490
as between board members and the chair can't resolve it.

764
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:42,730
So, chair, guess what?

765
00:53:43,290 --> 00:53:45,550
This is, you've got a first try to resolve it.

766
00:53:45,830 --> 00:53:48,830
The council liaison, or the city secretary,

767
00:53:48,830 --> 00:53:51,210
Richard Hanover, she's like, well, I'm in there.

768
00:53:51,370 --> 00:53:53,390
The city secretary shall call meeting

769
00:53:53,390 --> 00:53:55,750
with the council relations governance, the subcommittees.

770
00:53:55,850 --> 00:53:59,430
We have a council relations sub-governance subcommittee.

771
00:54:00,210 --> 00:54:01,950
If a conflict arrives between the board member

772
00:54:01,950 --> 00:54:06,250
liaison in the board member, Cameron Quest, a meeting with the council relations government

773
00:54:06,250 --> 00:54:10,110
and subcommittee to resolve the conflict. So that's really the purpose of this council

774
00:54:10,110 --> 00:54:14,550
relations governance subcommittee is to step in and help resolve those conflicts that are

775
00:54:14,550 --> 00:54:19,710
amongst the board members that the chair, him or herself cannot resolve on their own or

776
00:54:19,710 --> 00:54:24,570
but honestly maybe they just don't, it shouldn't be resolved in on their own. We turn it over to

777
00:54:24,570 --> 00:54:31,930
the council relations governance subcommittee. Mayor and the mayor and the mayor and the mayor

778
00:54:31,930 --> 00:54:36,810
subcommittee level, then the entire council shall assemble an executive session that is provided

779
00:54:36,810 --> 00:54:41,490
under this under state law, and the event is determined that a board member is to be removed.

780
00:54:41,650 --> 00:54:45,310
The council shall convene a executive session to discuss such removals, and then members shall

781
00:54:45,310 --> 00:54:47,970
have the opportunity to participate in the executive session.

782
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:51,550
So, again, the chair of the private

783
00:54:58,750 --> 00:55:01,030
procession and that individual or individuals would be

784
00:55:01,030 --> 00:55:04,270
invited into that executive session and try to resolve it.

785
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:08,290
So, that is one, and it's under personnel, that's one of the reasons we can go into executive

786
00:55:08,290 --> 00:55:09,370
session under personnel.

787
00:55:12,970 --> 00:55:13,750
Stay with me.

788
00:55:28,780 --> 00:55:32,000
Povercials of order nearly revised shall be observed as a general guide for following the

789
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,980
third procedure except where our council has superseded these rules. We are going to

790
00:55:35,980 --> 00:55:40,240
talk about council, you know, cyber-propercials of order. And I do want to say this,

791
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:46,300
robber's rules of order. How many are very comfortable with robber's rules of order? Wow, I'm

792
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:52,600
impressive, okay. How many, when a degree, robber's rules of order are probably not the easiest

793
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:58,120
guy to follow for running a meeting. Yeah, and they're not real friendly, and Robertson,

794
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:02,400
those of you that know Robertson rules of order real well, can take advantage of those

795
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:07,900
that don't know Roberts' rules of order real well, and that is not the intent of us falling

796
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:13,700
Roberts' rules of order. We want to be able to have meetings that are easy. We don't want to

797
00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:17,200
want to make them difficult. We don't want to get bogged down in Roberts' rules of order,

798
00:56:17,540 --> 00:56:21,920
but we do want to run the meetings orderly, and that's the portions of Roberts' rules

799
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,400
that we really look to.

800
00:56:41,620 --> 00:56:46,000
To perform their duties in accordance with the processes and roles in order to establish

801
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:51,140
by the City Council and Board of Commission, government deliberation of public policy issues.

802
00:56:51,380 --> 00:56:56,380
meaningful involvement of the public and implementation of policy decisions of the City Council

803
00:56:56,380 --> 00:56:57,400
by City staff.

804
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:02,300
Okay, so basically the duties that you have or those duties are given upon you by the Council

805
00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:06,660
for those boards and commissions and we need to stay within side of those duties for

806
00:57:09,060 --> 00:57:09,160
our

807
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,920
Board members shall attend all state required training courses.

808
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,100
A lot of you don't have any state required training courses.

809
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:24,500
The EDC members, there are state required training for some people that are part of the economic development corporations.

810
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,720
But for the most part, a lot of you don't have state required training courses.

811
00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:34,320
Each member is encouraged to further their understanding of good municipal governance through available training programs.

812
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,880
So there's a lot of training programs out through those review that are on the P&Z.

813
00:57:38,340 --> 00:57:45,600
There's, there's, you know, you know, you can go online and there's lots of different courses out there, even for parks boards, the EDCs, library boards,

814
00:57:46,340 --> 00:57:52,460
come on, Mr. and, um, Airport, thank you, Airport, I don't think there's anything out there, sorry.

815
00:57:55,840 --> 00:58:01,880
Education to be paid for with that tax money, salary requested in advance, through the staff liaison or city secretary.

816
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,920
It's responsibility of each of y'all to be informed about previous actions taking this

817
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:07,780
while speaking about early.

818
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,460
If you're not in the meeting, it's your responsibility to understand what happened at the

819
00:58:11,460 --> 00:58:15,020
meeting before, so you can make good decisions.

820
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:23,790
Okay, so should you call each member individually and ask them what happened at the last meeting?

821
00:58:25,110 --> 00:58:25,570
Could you?

822
00:58:26,550 --> 00:58:27,930
Hey, what happened at the last meeting?

823
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:30,950
Is that a violation of the upper meetings?

824
00:58:32,090 --> 00:58:32,110
No.

825
00:58:32,450 --> 00:58:32,790
No?

826
00:58:32,790 --> 00:58:38,490
Yes, maybe defend the way you ask them. Okay, we'll say that for the end

827
00:58:38,490 --> 00:58:42,810
But yeah, so you can call you talk to your other board members if you're trying to just get information on what happened

828
00:58:42,810 --> 00:58:47,770
Obviously if it's a decision if it's a decision that is was held over something was continued and

829
00:58:49,130 --> 00:58:54,910
Yeah, you should not be talking to you cannot talk to each member to find out how you think they're gonna vote

830
00:58:54,910 --> 00:58:58,270
So it's gonna influence you on how you should vote. That would be a violation

831
00:58:59,510 --> 00:59:05,310
Members shop, prepare themselves for public issues, listen, be courteous, in a tent of.

832
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:10,050
This is the interesting part that the legislature did, I believe, was the last legislative session.

833
00:59:10,490 --> 00:59:16,470
They put a provision in the code, and a lot of cities that are represented, we would have under public comment section.

834
00:59:16,570 --> 00:59:24,590
Which again, public comment section just to come up and talk about, you know, whatever, even if it's not on the agenda, it's not illegal required by law.

835
00:59:24,590 --> 00:59:29,010
And you actually will see right now there's been some cities that have been discussing removing that

836
00:59:29,010 --> 00:59:35,270
Because you get these characters that show up in like costumes and they do crazy things right that have absolutely nothing to do with the meeting

837
00:59:35,810 --> 00:59:40,970
It's happening and like play no and Allen. They just show up, right and they just act them noxious

838
00:59:42,830 --> 00:59:49,330
And so they were looking up here to we put it at the end you know if we if we allow the citizens to speak on the items that are on there

839
00:59:49,330 --> 00:59:54,450
We can do away with citizen comments, but what if some still having this because that's a you know that's a difficult decision to make

840
00:59:55,350 --> 00:59:59,850
But as far as the legislation, they used to say, you know, no.

841
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:30,000
So, the citizens can stand up there and they can say, you know, mayor, I don't like the way that you voted in the last meeting. And I don't like that hat that you're wearing and you know, before the mayor, like, get out of the ring, you know, throw it with throwing out the meeting. And that's why I believe that, if you look at the intent, that's why, it was a good idea.

842
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,220
put in there that basically is council members, board members, you know, we have to have a

843
01:00:34,220 --> 01:00:39,740
little bit thicker skin than those that are up there criticizing us. So we're frame from

844
01:00:39,740 --> 01:00:43,660
interrupting others, this is you as board members, we're frame from interrupting other speakers,

845
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:48,740
making personal comments that aren't related to the business interfering with Orley conduct

846
01:00:48,740 --> 01:00:53,240
of me. This is just all about running a good meeting. This is like the chair, responsibility

847
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:57,900
of running a good meeting. Let each member speak, go down the dial, go down the table, let

848
01:00:57,900 --> 01:01:03,140
person, speak their mind, speak the speak. And then if you need to go back,

849
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:07,540
speak that one more time. But there comes a point too, when a lot of this talking,

850
01:01:07,980 --> 01:01:10,980
it's repetitive, right, or you're saying the same thing over and over, and the

851
01:01:10,980 --> 01:01:14,580
meeting started at six, and it's now 10 o'clock. You're still an item number one.

852
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,240
So that's the chair's responsibility to keep those meetings running.

853
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,640
And when we get the robbers rules and orders, you can actually check and actually put

854
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:26,160
time limits. Or say, all right, I'm going to give everybody one more minute and

855
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:30,660
go down and down the dice. It's when we start talking over each other that our meetings become

856
01:01:30,660 --> 01:01:36,340
very unproductive. And there's some cities now with all the new mic systems. It's great. Only

857
01:01:36,340 --> 01:01:40,560
one mic works at a time. And the only person that can override the mic is a mayor. That's either

858
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:46,640
good or bad, right? And the city attorney can override everybody's mics. So members shall refrain from

859
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:52,140
abusive conduct. Personal changes or personal changes. Charges or verbal attacks upon the character

860
01:01:52,140 --> 01:01:57,500
or motives of other members of council board in commissions and in the staff or the public,

861
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:03,960
but you know the public can attack you. Obviously nothing that raises the level of being

862
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:08,200
against the law. So any member may request the charity and force the rules established

863
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:13,680
by the city council to the chair fail to do so. The majority of the members present can require

864
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,780
him or her to do so. So if we get to the point we had to need to have more training on this.

865
01:02:17,780 --> 01:02:21,680
But basically, y'all is a board working together, asking the chair to do some, just like

866
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,160
you would know a chair, can you please do this?

867
01:02:23,300 --> 01:02:24,220
Could you do that?

868
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:25,020
That's what I said, please.

869
01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:29,880
Any member may request the chair to enforce the rules of staff, which by the City Council.

870
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,860
Members shall face their decisions on the merits and substance of the matter at hand, rather

871
01:02:36,860 --> 01:02:39,020
than on unrelated considerations.

872
01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:42,280
Yeah, and that goes into the deliberation.

873
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:47,180
How much deliberation do you have, though, is the purpose of the meeting that you're having?

874
01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:54,120
is a purpose of the meeting you're having to educate the public, okay?

875
01:02:55,180 --> 01:02:59,640
Be get the business of the city done or get the business of the board done,

876
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:07,720
is that be, or see, get away from here, family, or all the above, be and see, right?

877
01:03:07,900 --> 01:03:14,080
No, it's to get the business of the city done and that's what really

878
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:19,560
is, you know, some people have a hard time with that, and all the years that I've been

879
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:23,560
sitting up in different council meetings, you have some council members, some, and I don't

880
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,460
mean to think on council members, but that's just in my brain, but you have board members,

881
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:33,140
also in commission members, that they feel their job is to spend that time educating the

882
01:03:33,140 --> 01:03:38,160
public, show how the sausage is being made, right, taking the time to educate the public.

883
01:03:38,300 --> 01:03:40,740
Is that really your responsibility as a board or commission member?

884
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,720
But how do you think I need to educate the public?

885
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:44,700
Do I need that?

886
01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:45,980
There's no right wrong answer.

887
01:03:46,420 --> 01:03:46,620
There is.

888
01:03:47,140 --> 01:03:49,580
But how do you feel you need it?

889
01:03:49,580 --> 01:03:51,940
How many of you been at meetings where you're like, oh, my gosh.

890
01:03:52,140 --> 01:03:55,180
This is not that you feel they're educating them too much.

891
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,100
So get it's a fun balance.

892
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:01,800
You want the public to understand why you're doing it and why you're making the decision you're making.

893
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:03,600
And you want them to leave understanding.

894
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,120
They may not agree with you, right?

895
01:04:05,420 --> 01:04:07,220
But at least why you made that decision.

896
01:04:07,980 --> 01:04:10,240
But the education part of it is spending that time.

897
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,200
You're there to get the business at the business that's before your board.

898
01:04:13,300 --> 01:04:17,100
You're there to get that done as opposed to spending the time educating the public.

899
01:04:17,580 --> 01:04:21,220
Send them to the city manager, he can educate them.

900
01:04:22,260 --> 01:04:23,880
Oh, he's in the back.

901
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,840
Find it for in the board or commission bylaws.

902
01:04:33,380 --> 01:04:36,980
The chair or any three members of a board can place an item on an agenda by making the request

903
01:04:36,980 --> 01:04:40,120
to the staff member whoever sees that board at that board.

904
01:04:40,220 --> 01:04:42,940
So that question gets asked a lot.

905
01:04:43,420 --> 01:04:44,640
How do I get something on the agenda?

906
01:04:44,820 --> 01:04:46,040
How do I get something on the agenda?

907
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:52,040
So unless you have pylons that are contrary to this, when we do the breakouts over the next couple

908
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:56,180
months, you'll know whether or not you have anything that's contrary to this, but the chair

909
01:04:56,180 --> 01:04:59,940
or any three members of a board can place an item on the agenda by making the request.

910
01:05:00,780 --> 01:05:04,800
For the most part, most of our three will not equal, there's not equal of core.

911
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:10,360
But it's important when I call, you know, I call one of the board members.

912
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:11,640
I want to board, I call the board member.

913
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,360
I'm not trying to convince you how to vote on it.

914
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:18,540
I just want your support and putting it on the agenda.

915
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:24,320
What request made, one week in advance, if the request is made after the one week in

916
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,480
the case period, I will be added to the next month's agenda.

917
01:05:32,170 --> 01:05:36,910
You are required to attend the mid-Lothian University at newly appointed board member that

918
01:05:36,910 --> 01:05:40,730
has not attended the mid-Lothian University as a required to do so within one year, or

919
01:05:40,730 --> 01:05:48,530
next available session after that appointment of this requirement, the board member is

920
01:05:48,530 --> 01:05:53,830
If a newly appointed board member has a scheduled conflict with the next mid-Lothan University date,

921
01:05:54,170 --> 01:05:59,050
that member may request a one-year extension of this requirement through their board liaison or the city secretary,

922
01:05:59,570 --> 01:06:02,510
who will take the request to the Council Relations Government Subcommittee.

923
01:06:04,740 --> 01:06:05,720
Sign up for the forms of information in the back.

924
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,380
All board members are required to take the seat.

925
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:11,380
I can't read that.

926
01:06:12,020 --> 01:06:12,540
Let's read that.

927
01:06:13,500 --> 01:06:14,220
There I go again.

928
01:06:15,300 --> 01:06:19,360
All board members are required to have a basic understanding of the city mid-Lothan Comprehensive Plan,

929
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,740
down town master plan parks master plan

930
01:06:21,740 --> 01:06:23,340
of which those are all online.

931
01:06:27,030 --> 01:06:29,610
You can take a look at all the,

932
01:06:29,610 --> 01:06:31,770
all those mentioned above will be provided

933
01:06:31,770 --> 01:06:33,030
to board members and commissioners either

934
01:06:33,030 --> 01:06:34,750
by hard coffee or electronically.

935
01:06:35,770 --> 01:06:37,990
So that was the down town master plan

936
01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:40,110
parks master plan and comprehensive plan.

937
01:06:41,810 --> 01:06:46,180
I did want to talk about which one?

938
01:06:46,180 --> 01:06:46,840
That one.

939
01:06:47,220 --> 01:06:49,100
How board members are required to take the city

940
01:06:49,100 --> 01:06:50,200
of the Lothian boarding commission?

941
01:06:50,660 --> 01:06:51,380
Oh, yeah.

942
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,460
This is the all, this is the all,

943
01:06:53,460 --> 01:06:54,660
But this is me, that's why I escaped.

944
01:06:55,980 --> 01:06:58,440
On board training, either prior to being appointed

945
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,200
or within six months after appointment,

946
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,020
if this requirement is not met, the board members automatically

947
01:07:03,020 --> 01:07:05,420
remove from the appointed board in the event

948
01:07:05,420 --> 01:07:08,160
of an unaboidable conflict that members

949
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,480
on edify their board, the A's on over the city secretary,

950
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,320
who will take a request to the Council Relations

951
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:13,540
government's subcommittee.

952
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:20,820
All right, so we're on a map right now, yes.

953
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,320
Okay, turbulence, sorry if I'm making y'all dizzy.

954
01:07:24,060 --> 01:07:25,920
A board and commission member term limits are set

955
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:32,980
at six consecutive years with a mandatory one year off between each six-year term limit

956
01:07:32,980 --> 01:07:38,240
on any board of commissions. You get a year off. Most board of commissions have either

957
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:42,780
two or three year terms allowing the members to be re-appointed either twice or once respectively.

958
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:49,240
This is not applied to historic advisory board industrial development corporation, the housing

959
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,060
the throat, middle of the housing authority, due to the fact that you just don't meet that

960
01:07:53,060 --> 01:07:53,560
often.

961
01:07:55,840 --> 01:08:00,160
Also does not apply to permanent positions on the joint library board and city staff members

962
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:01,680
on the low-the-development authority.

963
01:08:03,490 --> 01:08:06,630
In the event of Warmember Commission members elected or appointed to any elect, this is

964
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:10,890
new also, to any elected federal state, county, city, school district position within

965
01:08:10,890 --> 01:08:14,550
the county or city, upon such election, they shall automatically forfeit their position

966
01:08:14,550 --> 01:08:19,290
on the city board commission and such positions shall be declared vacant, excluding the election

967
01:08:19,290 --> 01:08:23,370
as precinct chair of any respectful political party.

968
01:08:24,350 --> 01:08:26,870
And then except for urgent personal, this is new also.

969
01:08:27,890 --> 01:08:31,530
Except for other personal matters and to avoid disruption, all board members are prohibited

970
01:08:31,530 --> 01:08:35,170
from sending or receiving electronic communications during the meeting.

971
01:08:35,350 --> 01:08:39,330
So please have your phone just turned off or on silence.

972
01:08:40,430 --> 01:08:44,370
All electronic devices shall be placed in the silent mode, just said that, electronic communications.

973
01:08:44,910 --> 01:08:47,850
That pertaining to city business are subject to the public information act.

974
01:08:47,850 --> 01:08:53,670
Additionally, Council members need to be aware of the Open Meetings Act and the Boy Communications and the other members that would be a violation of the act.

975
01:08:54,090 --> 01:09:00,550
I want to hit on that a little bit, because we have so much, you know, before our means of communication 20 years ago was limited, right?

976
01:09:00,750 --> 01:09:07,150
But it was like blackberries. Now we have our phones, and most of you, no one in here, the city buys you a phone, do things.

977
01:09:07,230 --> 01:09:12,270
They want to have other than the city manager who, who and here, say about it, this is that your own phone.

978
01:09:12,270 --> 01:09:18,930
And so when you are texting city business that pertains to city business on your own phone

979
01:09:18,930 --> 01:09:25,070
and you text it to whether it be, you know, whether it be the city manager, you text it to another board member.

980
01:09:26,010 --> 01:09:30,250
What you put in your phone, that text, as it relates to your board, what your board does.

981
01:09:30,330 --> 01:09:33,070
To that other board member is subject to public information.

982
01:09:33,270 --> 01:09:34,310
You need to remember that.

983
01:09:34,830 --> 01:09:39,970
And the public is now become aware when they submit public information requests.

984
01:09:39,970 --> 01:09:50,650
And we get a lot of public information, but especially in election season, where people ask for all electronic communications, including emails, including text messages.

985
01:09:51,290 --> 01:09:57,830
So anytime you're communicating at your work through your work, email, and it's city-related, that email.

986
01:09:57,990 --> 01:10:05,930
And we're not going to come in and grab your hard drive unless it's, you know, the judge tells us to, but that email is public information.

987
01:10:05,930 --> 01:10:10,750
So you need to keep those and there's a retention period for all of that usually general correspondence

988
01:10:10,750 --> 01:10:15,550
What it's going to be two years or what most of them are some of y'all may be long gone

989
01:10:15,550 --> 01:10:20,750
So it's just it remember what you're using to communicate on and that that is subject to public information

990
01:10:21,210 --> 01:10:24,450
You need to keep it going to lead it turn it to the city secretary

991
01:10:25,070 --> 01:10:31,910
There's a lot of new stuff now where just in another city we had a request and can also members have two phones

992
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:35,050
They have their own phone and then they have their city phone

993
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:37,950
And so they figure, well, I just won't use the city at home,

994
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:41,750
and this just happened a few weeks ago,

995
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:49,820
you're in some East

996
01:10:58,390 --> 01:11:00,670
City issue phone, or if it's your personal phone, it's something

997
01:11:00,670 --> 01:11:01,650
that the public information.

998
01:11:02,970 --> 01:11:06,050
So, if you have questions about that at the end, we can get to that.

999
01:11:06,230 --> 01:11:10,070
What's not public information, obviously, if you're texting, you're your wife, it's good

1000
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:12,590
to get out there on, like, what's for dinner, I mean, that's not business related.

1001
01:11:15,070 --> 01:11:17,170
Okay, that's the government's policy.

1002
01:11:17,190 --> 01:11:20,210
Y'all want to add anything to chime in on the government's policy or keep on going.

1003
01:11:21,390 --> 01:11:22,570
Okay, Robert's rules of work.

1004
01:11:22,570 --> 01:11:32,190
This is a lot of fun, but I'm keeping it very basic and the council asks for to sort of do an overview of Robert's rules of order to kind of help us with some of our meetings.

1005
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:35,850
So I have some stuff in here and again, very basic.

1006
01:11:37,090 --> 01:11:39,490
So a cool must be present to do business.

1007
01:11:40,430 --> 01:11:42,450
The majority rules.

1008
01:11:43,490 --> 01:11:46,210
One question at a time, let's speak right at a time.

1009
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:50,130
Motion must be related to matters under consideration.

1010
01:11:51,350 --> 01:12:00,430
Once a member has been recognized, once a board member, commission member, council member has been recognized, that we call that the floor, right?

1011
01:12:00,870 --> 01:12:07,350
They have been granted the floor, and let them speak, and we should not be interrupting them while they're speaking.

1012
01:12:07,490 --> 01:12:14,910
That was the one council member, I want you to have the new microphones, and that was a really nice thing about it, is what is on, nobody else can speak.

1013
01:12:14,910 --> 01:12:19,550
The only person I said that could override is the city attorney or the mayor, and it really

1014
01:12:19,550 --> 01:12:21,850
kind of trained them.

1015
01:12:22,490 --> 01:12:26,470
When it's one person speaking at a time, we all have something to say, but if we just wait

1016
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:31,490
until you're being recognized by the chair, and the chair, it's important for you to understand

1017
01:12:31,490 --> 01:12:37,970
that role to recognize those individuals and keep it order, just going down and go one

1018
01:12:37,970 --> 01:12:42,330
way, one time, go the opposite way at the next time, so no one feels that they're being left

1019
01:12:42,330 --> 01:12:44,390
out of there, you always get stuck, speaking last.

1020
01:12:46,990 --> 01:12:48,970
Motion must receive full debate.

1021
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:52,630
The chair may not put a motion to vote as long as members wish to debate it.

1022
01:12:52,850 --> 01:12:54,850
And debate must be directed to motion.

1023
01:12:55,310 --> 01:12:59,210
So make your, discuss your motions or discuss the business at hand,

1024
01:12:59,310 --> 01:13:01,910
which should relate to what's on the agenda.

1025
01:13:02,450 --> 01:13:05,730
And you can always put a motion out that I make a motion to approve.

1026
01:13:07,150 --> 01:13:09,270
You have a second, and then you can have a discussion,

1027
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:11,750
and then you can relate, you can keep that discussion.

1028
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:18,410
And related specifically to that motion, which really kind of keeps y'all within that

1029
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:19,430
silo.

1030
01:13:20,710 --> 01:13:26,750
And once you go down the dice, then you can call for it on and move on.

1031
01:13:28,050 --> 01:13:31,030
Debate can be ended by any member stating I call the question.

1032
01:13:31,870 --> 01:13:33,850
If a second is obtained, vote it on and pass.

1033
01:13:33,870 --> 01:13:35,590
The motion on the floor is voted on immediately.

1034
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:46,690
There's actually some laminated sheets on some of these that as a chair if you're interested in them we can get them to you and you can pass them out of your meetings and we can

1035
01:13:46,690 --> 01:13:48,350
I'm gonna film with them.

1036
01:13:48,690 --> 01:13:48,910
All right.

1037
01:13:49,170 --> 01:13:50,830
Any voting member may make a motion.

1038
01:13:52,270 --> 01:13:53,910
Another member must second the motion.

1039
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:57,410
I make a motion I second, discuss, may then take place.

1040
01:13:57,710 --> 01:13:59,070
And also, if you all do this differently

1041
01:13:59,070 --> 01:14:02,010
where you just, you present it and you discuss it,

1042
01:14:02,030 --> 01:14:03,450
I make you make motion to approve.

1043
01:14:04,050 --> 01:14:05,710
Second, all in favor, you know, I.

1044
01:14:06,230 --> 01:14:06,910
That's fine too.

1045
01:14:07,010 --> 01:14:07,850
You can do it that way.

1046
01:14:08,450 --> 01:14:10,170
But you can make a motion, make a second,

1047
01:14:10,190 --> 01:14:11,250
and then have your discussion.

1048
01:14:11,390 --> 01:14:13,270
That's the way Robert's rules ordered of it

1049
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:14,270
is you're having discussion,

1050
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:16,230
because it's limited to the motion at hand.

1051
01:14:16,230 --> 01:14:22,650
And you can't get a motion to the floor, you know, that's going to make, that's going to make the discussion, no, a quicker.

1052
01:14:23,650 --> 01:14:26,430
So, following the discussion, the meeting chair must call for a vote.

1053
01:14:26,530 --> 01:14:27,890
Those in favor, and then those opposed.

1054
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:35,080
So, here's a few little types of motions that we see most often.

1055
01:14:35,340 --> 01:14:36,300
These are the simple ones.

1056
01:14:36,380 --> 01:14:38,840
Motion to amend motion to table.

1057
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:39,660
Motion to limit.

1058
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:40,740
I'm going to go through each of these.

1059
01:14:41,260 --> 01:14:42,120
Point of information.

1060
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:43,180
Point of order.

1061
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:44,500
Motion to appeal.

1062
01:14:44,500 --> 01:14:45,240
The chair's decision.

1063
01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:46,780
We rarely see that.

1064
01:14:46,780 --> 01:14:52,020
and then a motion to reconsider it on the top of it, I want to spend time on these briefly.

1065
01:14:52,820 --> 01:14:53,920
So motion to a man.

1066
01:14:54,140 --> 01:14:59,920
A man that can be added to a motion before an amendment can be added to a motion before.

1067
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:11,540
Or it can be voted on. Use this motion when you want to change the wording of the motion under consideration. So I'm going to get real, this is going to get confusing, but I'll try to make it as simple as possible.

1068
01:15:11,900 --> 01:15:18,580
If let's say that we've got a contract to approve the purchase of chairs.

1069
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,480
So I make a motion to approve the contact of the purchase of chairs.

1070
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:24,400
I second the motion.

1071
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:25,060
Any discussion?

1072
01:15:25,620 --> 01:15:29,940
In somewhere in that discussion, someone said, well, I want the chairs to be red.

1073
01:15:30,220 --> 01:15:31,440
I want those chairs to be red.

1074
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:33,900
And then someone said, well, I want the chairs to be green.

1075
01:15:34,180 --> 01:15:34,840
I want to be red.

1076
01:15:35,420 --> 01:15:40,220
You can actually take just a vote on whether or not you want those chairs to be red.

1077
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:41,220
All right.

1078
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:42,660
Well, I want to make an amendment.

1079
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,060
I want the chairs to be red.

1080
01:15:44,420 --> 01:15:45,740
So you take a vote.

1081
01:15:45,740 --> 01:15:53,600
So, you have your motion, you have your second on purchasing the chairs, you take a separate vote, right, on whether or not they're going to be red.

1082
01:15:53,960 --> 01:16:00,880
That passes, you go back to your initial motion that's on the floor of the chairs, and guess what? They're red chairs, right?

1083
01:16:01,460 --> 01:16:04,900
And that's a way to kind of end that debate if you're going back and forth on something.

1084
01:16:05,260 --> 01:16:15,720
Okay, well, if someone had a motion to make it a amendment, and then you just vote on that amendment alone, is the easiest way to do it.

1085
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:22,540
But that's the easiest way to do it and you'll practice, and that's the only other way to figure this stuff out.

1086
01:16:22,740 --> 01:16:26,380
The amendment is not adopted until that until the motion as a minute is voted on in the past.

1087
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:28,760
If a motion to a minute fails, you just go back to original motion.

1088
01:16:28,900 --> 01:16:30,400
Okay, I got a motion. I got a second. The first.

1089
01:16:31,260 --> 01:16:34,760
Red failed. All the favor I. Okay, we're done.

1090
01:16:34,900 --> 01:16:35,740
Go on to the next.

1091
01:16:39,390 --> 01:16:43,370
You'll make an emotion to amend the same thing by changing the start date to January 1st,

1092
01:16:43,490 --> 01:16:45,330
or as a second majority vote.

1093
01:16:45,330 --> 01:16:49,830
The main motion is to then vote it on with an amendment to change the change it's January 1st

1094
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:54,730
If the amendment fails, the main motion is voted on as originally presented to help start date of a different date

1095
01:16:55,850 --> 01:16:58,190
Okay, table. I love table in it

1096
01:16:58,970 --> 01:17:00,450
P and Z loves table in it, right?

1097
01:17:00,750 --> 01:17:05,070
How do we use the motion to table or lay on the table? What does that mean?

1098
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:09,970
I moved the table to the first median in June. I moved I moved to post on it definitely

1099
01:17:09,970 --> 01:17:13,190
That's what we need to be careful when we have our public hearings and

1100
01:17:13,190 --> 01:17:17,570
And like with the PMZ, the PMZ is a recommending body to the city council.

1101
01:17:18,150 --> 01:17:21,710
The PMZs, you have to post notice of your meetings.

1102
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:26,810
So it's important, if you're having a public hearing for the development corporations.

1103
01:17:27,570 --> 01:17:32,270
So when you move to table, you always want to table something to a date specific.

1104
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:34,710
You want to table to a date specific.

1105
01:17:34,890 --> 01:17:37,790
If you just want to kill it, that has to move to postpone it indefinitely.

1106
01:17:38,350 --> 01:17:41,890
If you just want it done, get away with it, go away, worry about it later.

1107
01:17:41,890 --> 01:17:49,110
Then just postpone it indefinitely that will kill the motion and then we'll worry about reposition it going to go into those requirements if it's something that requires that

1108
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:53,070
But a motion to table does not make it go away, okay, and that's my point here

1109
01:17:53,070 --> 01:17:58,270
It doesn't kill the motion indefinitely if your motion to the table table it to went to a date specific

1110
01:18:02,130 --> 01:18:05,370
Motion to limit to bank use this motion to limit discussion

1111
01:18:05,370 --> 01:18:11,030
This is helpful if you think that too much time is being consumed by debate and so I make a motion that you know the limit

1112
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:13,970
Discussion you can determine what's on it, too. That's a chair

1113
01:18:17,470 --> 01:18:24,560
point of order. I don't think we've ever had a point of order here. We wanted to use it before.

1114
01:18:25,180 --> 01:18:29,500
But so what does point of order mean? So you use point of order, and all these things,

1115
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:34,320
point of order. The number of things, the rules are being violated. Just don't say point of order

1116
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:38,020
because you're angry and frustrated. Make sure you know why you're using point of order.

1117
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:41,940
And one point of order is raised and the chair makes a ruling. The chair may look at you like,

1118
01:18:41,940 --> 01:18:45,740
okay, point of order, what is it? Point of order cannot be reconsidered.

1119
01:18:45,740 --> 01:18:51,480
It isn't the baitable, it cannot be amended in the decision of the chair is final, right?

1120
01:18:51,480 --> 01:18:57,940
It's a point of order, this is off top, you have a point of order, this is not on the agenda, and then the chair makes the decision correct.

1121
01:18:58,660 --> 01:19:07,400
Well then the member may appeal the chair's decision, that's really just the body as a whole making the determination of whether or not the chair's decision was right.

1122
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,760
All right. Still a way, great.

1123
01:19:12,580 --> 01:19:15,240
Roberts was a order to appeal the chair's decision.

1124
01:19:15,940 --> 01:19:16,780
This is kind of the steps.

1125
01:19:16,900 --> 01:19:19,000
For the setting officer and chair's rules, a procedure followed,

1126
01:19:19,140 --> 01:19:20,420
maintains the dignity of the meeting.

1127
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:22,780
Calls the meeting, no, no, no, no, no.

1128
01:19:22,780 --> 01:19:24,300
This is the, well, these are the rules of the chair.

1129
01:19:24,440 --> 01:19:24,760
I'm sorry.

1130
01:19:25,460 --> 01:19:26,520
Chair's a presiding officer.

1131
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,040
In chair's rules, a procedure are followed.

1132
01:19:29,420 --> 01:19:31,120
Maintains the dignity of the meeting.

1133
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:32,500
Calls the meeting, no order.

1134
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:33,860
Confines the discussion.

1135
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,240
Recognizes members for motions and statements.

1136
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,660
It allows audience participation at appropriate times.

1137
01:19:39,660 --> 01:19:49,460
And the reason I put this up there, I think sometimes as a chair, we get so passionate about an item we forget who we are, that we're the chair, and we still have to run the meeting.

1138
01:19:50,600 --> 01:20:04,400
And so, as the chair, I keep that in mind, I'm the one that has to run the meeting, I'm the one that making sure that the audience is getting recognized, don't forget what your role is as the chair, because that's when the meeting starts getting out of hand, when you don't have anybody that's really leading the group.

1139
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,300
All right, part of the motion is to reconsider,

1140
01:20:10,060 --> 01:20:12,080
must be made to join the meeting.

1141
01:20:12,700 --> 01:20:15,840
Plus, caution that there is a public hearing requirement.

1142
01:20:16,580 --> 01:20:21,720
So if you want to reconsider something, you made a motion, it's been second and agreed

1143
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:21,960
upon.

1144
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:26,740
There can be a motion, there can be a motion to reconsider if necessary.

1145
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,440
I don't advise doing this a lot because you're really going to upset some of your applicants.

1146
01:20:30,440 --> 01:20:38,280
But as far as public hearings, I do not advise doing motions to reconsider at a P&Z meeting.

1147
01:20:38,340 --> 01:20:47,760
When you had the public hearing, you've closed the public hearing, you've made a decision, all the developers and accidents have left the room, and two hours later, you go back,

1148
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:49,880
I want to reconsider that item.

1149
01:20:50,660 --> 01:20:51,800
That's not what this is for.

1150
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,160
This is not to get everybody out of the room and then do a fine.

1151
01:20:54,300 --> 01:20:55,280
They're behind their back.

1152
01:20:56,140 --> 01:20:59,640
But you can't make a motion to reconsider as long as it's done, drawing the meeting.

1153
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:01,880
But I do not use it for your public hearings.

1154
01:21:03,380 --> 01:21:07,180
He is after the vote is taken, and must be made by a member who voted on the prevailing

1155
01:21:07,180 --> 01:21:09,120
side of the motion to be reconsidered.

1156
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:13,020
I think that fourth bullet points is interesting that that member to the motion to reconsider

1157
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:17,800
has to be made by the one that was on the prevailing side of the motion to be reconsidered.

1158
01:21:22,030 --> 01:21:22,070
Okay.

1159
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:22,590
Are you on?

1160
01:21:22,930 --> 01:21:23,450
Is that it?

1161
01:21:23,950 --> 01:21:24,070
Okay.

1162
01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:30,400
Come on.

1163
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:31,600
We're getting to the end here.

1164
01:21:34,430 --> 01:21:37,610
Right discussed a lot of the open meetings and public information, so I'll be pretty

1165
01:21:37,610 --> 01:21:38,390
quick through this.

1166
01:21:38,850 --> 01:21:40,670
All of our meetings are open to the public.

1167
01:21:41,290 --> 01:21:44,990
Any regular, especially column meeting is open to the public unless there's close meetings.

1168
01:21:45,170 --> 01:21:48,390
I've already talked about close meetings when you can and cannot go into close meetings.

1169
01:21:48,810 --> 01:21:51,110
Some of you as board will never go into a close meeting.

1170
01:21:53,380 --> 01:21:56,840
Government bodies include the second bullet point.

1171
01:21:56,940 --> 01:22:01,960
I put that up there because if you ever get bored and you want to go read the open meetings

1172
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:09,140
law, there's a manual out there, it talks about certain advisory bodies are not subjected

1173
01:22:09,140 --> 01:22:11,020
to the open meetings requirement.

1174
01:22:11,900 --> 01:22:17,380
Pretty much every city that I've represented or do represent have this provision in their

1175
01:22:17,380 --> 01:22:22,120
charter or in their ordinances, even the quasi-judicial boards, that's the advisory boards

1176
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:23,840
are subject to the open meetings act.

1177
01:22:24,300 --> 01:22:28,540
We have no boards here in the city of Mid-Lothian that are not subject to the open meetings

1178
01:22:28,540 --> 01:22:28,920
rules.

1179
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:36,640
So city council, planning is only a four-day, four-day board of the adjustments.

1180
01:22:38,420 --> 01:22:39,740
I have to follow the act.

1181
01:22:39,740 --> 01:22:47,940
Committees and subcommittees of governmental bodies also are required to follow the act if a

1182
01:22:47,940 --> 01:22:54,200
committee is being formed of the main body. So if you have less than a form of people and they're

1183
01:22:54,200 --> 01:23:02,040
forming a subcommittee, okay? And that subcommittee is going to make a recommendation to the body.

1184
01:23:03,140 --> 01:23:08,400
And the body is just going to simply rubber stamp their decision, right? They're not going to discuss it,

1185
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:12,680
not going to debate it, but it's going to be a simple rubber stamp than the subcommittee

1186
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:17,020
meetings have to be posted because you've just taken away the public's ability to participate.

1187
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:23,720
Most of our subcommittees that we put forth are not just, we don't rubber stamp things.

1188
01:23:24,300 --> 01:23:30,080
So that is one thing important that the AG has stated, and I dealt with this on the

1189
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:31,360
Democratic Transportation Authority.

1190
01:23:31,480 --> 01:23:37,040
We have a lot of subcommittees, luckily we were, and the subcommittees were only, I

1191
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:40,180
At that time, the board was made up of 15, I believe, 15 members.

1192
01:23:40,380 --> 01:23:41,920
We only had five in the subcommittee.

1193
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:46,540
We weren't actually posting them, but someone complained that we were still violating

1194
01:23:46,540 --> 01:23:50,780
the Open Meetings Act, and that actually that's when the AG came back and stated, as long

1195
01:23:50,780 --> 01:23:54,180
as those meetings were posted and opened to the public, and they were allowed to come to

1196
01:23:54,180 --> 01:23:58,200
the meetings, then you did not violate the Act, because that subcommittee was presenting

1197
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:03,420
stuff to the DCTA board, the DCTA board was simply rubber stamp, and they weren't having

1198
01:24:03,420 --> 01:24:04,160
discussions on.

1199
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,040
At any time, you wouldn't put together a subcommittee

1200
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,100
to have that conversation with your staff liaison

1201
01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:13,980
if they have questions, they'll check with the City Manager

1202
01:24:13,980 --> 01:24:15,680
or with myself, and we'll make that determination

1203
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:17,520
on whether or not it needs to be posted.

1204
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,580
So any discussion or deliberation between a quorum,

1205
01:24:20,700 --> 01:24:22,100
that's a majority or between a quorum

1206
01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:24,280
and another person regarding the public business

1207
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:26,500
or policy, which the governing body controls

1208
01:24:26,500 --> 01:24:29,780
or supervisors are going to which formal action is taken.

1209
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,660
It's going to be subject to the open means act.

1210
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:34,640
So obviously, if you get on the phone

1211
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,500
and you have a conversation with another board member

1212
01:24:37,500 --> 01:24:39,600
about an item, is that violate the act?

1213
01:24:39,620 --> 01:24:40,760
No, that doesn't violate the act

1214
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:41,920
because it's not a form, right?

1215
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:43,780
And that you're talking about the business

1216
01:24:43,780 --> 01:24:45,780
of the body that you start on.

1217
01:24:46,020 --> 01:24:48,080
But then if you pick up the phone and call somebody else,

1218
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,280
there's three, they pick up the phone and call somebody else

1219
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:51,480
there's four, I was saying four people

1220
01:24:51,480 --> 01:24:54,280
talked about the business of what's going to be discussed

1221
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:56,440
at the next meeting, possibly how the discussion is going

1222
01:24:56,440 --> 01:24:58,640
to be, that is a violation of the open meetings

1223
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:00,320
and you don't want to do that.

1224
01:25:00,860 --> 01:25:02,040
What is the deliberation?

1225
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:18,960
It's defined as a verbal exchange, drawing a meeting between a quorum or between a quorum, and another person regarding public business or policy, verbal exchange, written communications, emails, text messages, electronic communications. Those are all considered deliberations.

1226
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:30,180
And again, if you're on the parks board and you're talking about something completely unrelated to parks, but it's related to the city, but it's not within your purview as the board, then that's not going to apply.

1227
01:25:30,180 --> 01:25:31,060
I

1228
01:25:34,170 --> 01:25:37,990
talked about secret deliberations, meeting the numbers less than a quorum, and that we

1229
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:40,350
they should call it, they still do call it like the Daisy chain.

1230
01:25:40,530 --> 01:25:44,590
We have, make meeting numbers less than a quorum, and then you go and you talk to other

1231
01:25:44,590 --> 01:25:49,850
members, and they talk to other members, and again I always use the example of the first

1232
01:25:49,850 --> 01:25:56,890
city that I had to represent, a very small city, out in the middle of nowhere, this is

1233
01:25:56,890 --> 01:25:57,190
hypothetical.

1234
01:25:57,190 --> 01:26:08,090
Okay, so I was going to the meeting and and I was I was given the city because nobody else in the firm wanted to see

1235
01:26:08,090 --> 01:26:15,910
These were they put like three things on the agenda and they would start in six. I think I was leaving there two or three o'clock in the morning every day every

1236
01:26:15,910 --> 01:26:22,090
After every meeting I'm in to have like really deep bar ditches like you and these little tiny rows and I figured the morning

1237
01:26:22,090 --> 01:26:26,470
It was like please don't let me go off into the bar ditch. Oh, there's a reason I'm saying that

1238
01:26:26,810 --> 01:26:42,650
So, anyway, I was going to the meeting, and I told the council, the story was going up to the meeting, and I stopped at some little, I don't know what was McDonald's or where it was, it was a grab coffee, because it was going to be a long meeting, and I see all these gentlemen sitting around a table, right?

1239
01:26:42,650 --> 01:26:48,190
anything anything other coffee what city hall nobody there two meetings before the two

1240
01:26:48,190 --> 01:26:51,710
minutes before the meeting is about to start these gentlemen showed up unlocked the door we

1241
01:26:51,710 --> 01:26:53,430
went in

1242
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:58,150
currently all anybody filed in behind and they sat down on my own they were you were at McDonald's right

1243
01:26:58,150 --> 01:27:02,990
why don't you come over and join us who we were just discussing the meeting okay

1244
01:27:04,830 --> 01:27:10,750
sat down that meeting lasted all about ten minutes yeah they made their decisions real quick

1245
01:27:10,750 --> 01:27:13,150
So I left there, didn't hit a bar to it's on the way home.

1246
01:27:13,370 --> 01:27:15,830
Funny story is when I did pass that along and over to my associates.

1247
01:27:16,450 --> 01:27:19,010
The first meeting he went to was so late he was coming home.

1248
01:27:19,110 --> 01:27:23,490
He ran his car to the bar and did it because he was so tired and poor got.

1249
01:27:24,710 --> 01:27:26,170
You know how to work for us.

1250
01:27:29,540 --> 01:27:32,300
72 hour meeting notice is required.

1251
01:27:32,700 --> 01:27:34,440
Let's say the date hour in place.

1252
01:27:34,620 --> 01:27:35,900
That's why we can't do this all the time.

1253
01:27:36,060 --> 01:27:39,040
We're meeting here and then we decide we're going to pick up and move to another location.

1254
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:41,100
You can't do that.

1255
01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:51,840
Notice this must be sufficient to perform the public of the subject matter to be considered in an open closed binary touched on that more critical the topics going to be want to make sure the more information you have on the agenda

1256
01:27:53,820 --> 01:28:05,040
We the city now are required to post notices of our meeting on the website, so they're all opposed to there and a good faith attempt to continuously post so that obviously leaves

1257
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,520
Some wiggle room if there's some sort of technical

1258
01:28:08,100 --> 01:28:13,080
Litch not that the city's secretary of the on vacation or something that's not a technical glitch

1259
01:28:14,780 --> 01:28:19,680
I was a community interest and public I like talk about it was community enters public comments

1260
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:24,560
I've already talked about we have to allow the public to speak on anything on the agenda and which you're going to act

1261
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:29,200
All right, is that just the question the public on half speak on that if it's just discussion

1262
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:31,440
I didn't if it's an executive session

1263
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:36,200
and we have executive sessions, the public wants to speak on executive sessions, and we just

1264
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:40,280
need to communicate with them to them that they can do that during the public comment section

1265
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:42,160
or before we go into executive sessions.

1266
01:28:42,220 --> 01:28:46,200
They do have the right to speak on executive sessions, either even that they have no idea

1267
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:46,740
what they're about.

1268
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:48,880
They usually can guess because they'll just hold them.

1269
01:28:50,620 --> 01:28:55,320
If the state's on the agenda, like the Scottish and City of Minnesota, I didn't make

1270
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:55,860
this one up.

1271
01:28:55,860 --> 01:29:03,840
city administrative or city or city managers comments. That's clearly not sufficient. You'd

1272
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:09,620
be surprised a lot of these smaller towns that just put city out of this book comments

1273
01:29:09,620 --> 01:29:14,700
by public works, comments by library, comments by that's not sufficient.

1274
01:29:16,780 --> 01:29:17,260
Okay, so public

1275
01:29:17,260 --> 01:29:23,480
comments, we know this, in the mayor kind of reads these rules each time, it's okay to respond

1276
01:29:23,480 --> 01:29:28,640
public comments if it's specific fact. So if you have someone that's coming to a meeting and

1277
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:33,440
they're giving information and that information is incorrect, it's okay to correct them,

1278
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:38,620
whether you know the dates wrong or it's okay to say the information you're giving, let me

1279
01:29:38,620 --> 01:29:45,800
let me correct it. You can recite policy if necessary, but you just don't deliver it because it's

1280
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:51,330
not on the agenda, you don't get into a deliberation, but you can quick concise statements to

1281
01:29:52,630 --> 01:29:59,010
There's no misunderstanding about what they're saying or they're not trying to hide the meaning from you.

1282
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,100
We just drop moms of incorrect information.

1283
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:10,260
Let's see what the meetings are not applied to. Convention, seminars, workshop, ceremony, events, press conferences.

1284
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:19,000
No formal action is taken, and any discussion of public business is incidental. So social events, social meetings are related to public business.

1285
01:30:19,460 --> 01:30:27,960
That doesn't mean that if the entire board of commission or council is going to go to a written cutting ceremony, that's social nature.

1286
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:31,940
But that doesn't mean once you get through, you can say that on the start talking about public business.

1287
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:37,100
And so a lot of times we will post certain things in a corner of counsel or a corner of the board.

1288
01:30:37,340 --> 01:30:43,900
Just like tonight, we posted this in the corner of the board, mayor and not the president, but y'all have not said anything to me the whole time that I've been here.

1289
01:30:46,230 --> 01:30:46,770
Oh, oh.

1290
01:30:47,610 --> 01:30:53,130
Ported being as we still posted as a corner of the board, mayor may not be president.

1291
01:30:53,130 --> 01:30:56,950
Where I'll leave off testimony before legislatures and agencies are not required.

1292
01:30:57,550 --> 01:31:02,210
Candidates forms provided no formal action is taken into discussing a public business.

1293
01:31:02,510 --> 01:31:03,650
It's in a incidental form.

1294
01:31:03,950 --> 01:31:06,510
That's important. It's just going to this time of year. Candidates forms.

1295
01:31:07,210 --> 01:31:12,210
The council can go to a candidate form. The boards and commissions can go to the forms.

1296
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:18,290
Your entire board can be there. You just can't don't discuss business in the board.

1297
01:31:19,230 --> 01:31:22,430
And what is the public always think when the whole tower counts to stand in there together?

1298
01:31:22,430 --> 01:31:26,030
What do they think they're doing? Well, they ought to have to think they're doing, right?

1299
01:31:26,830 --> 01:31:32,530
Violet in the open meat. We can't follow that, too. No. Violet in the open meetings. Do the cameras can't see you do that, so

1300
01:31:33,050 --> 01:31:36,950
Violet in the open meetings discussing public discussing public business. So

1301
01:31:37,330 --> 01:31:45,390
Just because it's this becomes the I've had I've had council members ask me before that there's a P and Z meeting and the P and Z meeting is going to be like a hot topic

1302
01:31:45,390 --> 01:31:47,670
I didn't they all want to go to the P and Z. I'm like

1303
01:31:47,670 --> 01:31:53,130
PNZ is a wreck, I mean they are on advisory body. We have a liaison at the PNZ meeting. There's no reason

1304
01:31:53,130 --> 01:31:58,730
for the entire council to go to the PNZ meeting, but that why want to go? Okay, that's fine. You can say at home and

1305
01:31:58,730 --> 01:32:05,050
watch it and eat and yell at the TV. If you watch still want to go, okay, then we need to know. That's fine.

1306
01:32:05,230 --> 01:32:10,570
Because we're going to have to post it at a corner of the council, maybe present at that meeting. So as chairs,

1307
01:32:10,570 --> 01:32:15,190
always look around and count. And if you see a corner of another governing body there,

1308
01:32:16,090 --> 01:32:18,970
You know, call me 0.25.

1309
01:32:20,790 --> 01:32:21,930
That's what they know what that means.

1310
01:32:22,450 --> 01:32:24,190
So let's see where I leave off.

1311
01:32:25,170 --> 01:32:26,570
All right, I think we're good.

1312
01:32:27,250 --> 01:32:28,490
Talk about secret deliberations.

1313
01:32:28,650 --> 01:32:30,730
I've already talked about walking forms.

1314
01:32:33,790 --> 01:32:34,290
Mayor, you know, meeting.

1315
01:32:34,450 --> 01:32:37,610
And this was an example out of out of Paris, Texas.

1316
01:32:37,690 --> 01:32:39,310
This was case out of a Paris, Texas.

1317
01:32:39,550 --> 01:32:42,930
That last bullet point where the mayor and the city attorney in the city.

1318
01:32:43,210 --> 01:32:44,850
I mean, the city attorney break the law really.

1319
01:32:44,850 --> 01:32:50,730
But the mayor in the city attorney would before the council meeting they called each council member in and have an discussion

1320
01:32:50,730 --> 01:32:56,890
They go over each item with them and tell them how the vote or how they believe the others were going to vote on that item

1321
01:32:56,890 --> 01:33:01,410
And it was interesting when this came out because at the city the mayor in the city the mayor and the city

1322
01:33:01,410 --> 01:33:06,550
The mayor said, well, I just was following the advice of the city attorney the city says, well, the mayor made me do it

1323
01:33:06,550 --> 01:33:08,550
The mayor was the one time out of vote not me

1324
01:33:09,090 --> 01:33:09,510
so

1325
01:33:10,290 --> 01:33:16,530
But that's not a good idea though, and it's okay to meet and discuss the agenda and get clarification on it.

1326
01:33:16,670 --> 01:33:21,030
But you shouldn't be meeting and, you know, for purposes of truly come into it,

1327
01:33:21,230 --> 01:33:23,310
getting the entire board of commission to come into the consensus.

1328
01:33:24,190 --> 01:33:27,390
Social media, majority of scholars probably face book Twitter or Instagram.

1329
01:33:28,730 --> 01:33:30,130
So, how many people have Facebook?

1330
01:33:31,950 --> 01:33:33,870
Okay, how many people have Twitter?

1331
01:33:35,050 --> 01:33:35,850
Answer your answer.

1332
01:33:35,850 --> 01:33:39,170
How many of y'all talk about city business on your Facebook account?

1333
01:33:40,010 --> 01:33:43,540
I've seen them.

1334
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:52,900
On your own, and so our social media are subject to public information.

1335
01:33:53,580 --> 01:33:54,720
Are they subject to open meetings?

1336
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:59,680
And there's, we're just now starting to see a lot of the law developing in this area.

1337
01:34:00,620 --> 01:34:02,400
If you have your own Facebook account, fine.

1338
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:03,260
All right.

1339
01:34:03,660 --> 01:34:06,160
As I always tell elected officials, keeping elected officials,

1340
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:12,500
Facebook account separate from your own personal accounts. It's just easier. It's easier to keep all that information

1341
01:34:12,500 --> 01:34:21,540
And what what was happening in a lot of cities is you had elected officials or boards and commission members who would have Facebook pages

1342
01:34:21,540 --> 01:34:26,760
Our Facebook page and they would discuss city business or there's get this got their board business

1343
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:32,760
Okay, you can I mean there's a distinction you're discussing your board business that you have purview over

1344
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:35,260
Okay, and then they start discussing with citizens

1345
01:34:35,260 --> 01:34:41,480
And then they start either the lead, they kick citizens off of their Facebook account, don't give them access.

1346
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:43,520
They delete posts.

1347
01:34:44,060 --> 01:34:50,020
And it's interesting because Texas does Pennsylvania has a requirement that if you're elected official,

1348
01:34:50,780 --> 01:34:53,920
you cannot basically, what's a call on Facebook.

1349
01:34:54,380 --> 01:34:55,740
You gotta have it open, right?

1350
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:57,420
You can't de-friend.

1351
01:34:57,740 --> 01:34:58,060
Is it different?

1352
01:34:58,780 --> 01:34:59,220
Block?

1353
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:00,120
Un-de-friend?

1354
01:35:00,300 --> 01:35:00,520
Un-friend?

1355
01:35:00,540 --> 01:35:01,240
Something like that.

1356
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:02,600
You can't kick them out, right?

1357
01:35:02,820 --> 01:35:03,860
You gotta have it open.

1358
01:35:04,780 --> 01:35:12,680
There's a few other states like that and Texas Texas is way of dealing with it is it's just all subject to public information

1359
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:21,060
So another fictitious city had a council member and that council member was also part of this HOA

1360
01:35:21,060 --> 01:35:28,600
And so he mixed his HOA business and the city business and he would get upset with some of the members and he would block him

1361
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:35,200
right, and so that those individuals who were being blocked, then put in public information

1362
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:40,600
requests for the printouts of those Facebook pages, because he was talking about them

1363
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:41,280
on their actions.

1364
01:35:42,020 --> 01:35:45,780
So they want to printouts of those Facebook pages, and they're like, oh, he's like, oh,

1365
01:35:45,820 --> 01:35:47,340
they don't have them deleted on the race.

1366
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:51,640
The AG wasn't real happy about that, and the AG is just that.

1367
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:53,520
It's another attorney with another opinion.

1368
01:35:53,900 --> 01:35:55,940
But basically said, no, those are subject to retention.

1369
01:35:55,940 --> 01:35:59,140
and it was related to the city business and subject to retention.

1370
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:02,320
And so essentially what we do if a public information

1371
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,640
request comes in with our council members,

1372
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:08,780
public officials, and they're asking for stuff off of your

1373
01:36:08,780 --> 01:36:10,660
cell phones, your electronic devices, your computers.

1374
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:11,960
Well, put that request to you.

1375
01:36:12,060 --> 01:36:14,680
We'll ask you to give that information to us.

1376
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:16,100
OK, we'll help you.

1377
01:36:16,100 --> 01:36:18,340
If you need help getting that information off of your computers,

1378
01:36:18,440 --> 01:36:21,780
your phones, wherever it is, we'll help you get that information off, right?

1379
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:23,480
Yes, we will help you.

1380
01:36:25,470 --> 01:36:27,030
Having, and you say you don't have it,

1381
01:36:27,030 --> 01:36:29,350
That's what we have to represent to the A.G.

1382
01:36:29,670 --> 01:36:31,410
And they'll be an affidavid.

1383
01:36:31,550 --> 01:36:34,130
If someone complains, they'll be an affidavid,

1384
01:36:34,450 --> 01:36:37,410
that basically you sign and say that you're given all

1385
01:36:37,410 --> 01:36:38,810
the information that you have.

1386
01:36:39,650 --> 01:36:41,410
So bottom line is if you're on Facebook,

1387
01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:43,750
you're on Twitter and you're discussing public businesses

1388
01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:45,790
because of what it is that you're discussing

1389
01:36:45,790 --> 01:36:48,370
and know that it is subject to public information,

1390
01:36:48,670 --> 01:36:50,250
you would have to produce it for questions

1391
01:36:50,250 --> 01:36:52,790
to produce it, so don't delete it.

1392
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:58,910
I can, 20 years ago, 10 years ago, 10 years ago, I used to stand up, I don't know how

1393
01:36:58,910 --> 01:36:59,610
was Facebook going.

1394
01:37:03,940 --> 01:37:04,640
First came out.

1395
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:09,720
When these first came out, I would go to these conferences and there be lawyers like, don't

1396
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:10,500
get on Facebook.

1397
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:11,520
Don't get on Twitter.

1398
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:12,240
Don't get on Twitter.

1399
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:15,540
As a lack of official shame on you, you shouldn't be doing it, but you won't get elected

1400
01:37:15,540 --> 01:37:17,200
now if you're not out on these public platforms.

1401
01:37:17,380 --> 01:37:21,780
There's an expectation that you're immediately responding to your constituents.

1402
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:25,280
So there's no way I can stand up and I get fired if I said, don't get on this and

1403
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:30,140
don't respond to text by saying, we know it's going to happen. Just be responsible about your

1404
01:37:30,140 --> 01:37:35,880
responses and make sure you're keeping those. So we don't run into an issue of where they go,

1405
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:41,680
you know, they're gone. Joe, can I chime in real quick? Yeah, go ahead. I would strongly encourage everyone to

1406
01:37:43,740 --> 01:37:49,460
to not engage in discussion about future agenda items on social media and just be factual about

1407
01:37:49,460 --> 01:37:54,840
things that have already taken place. And so when people engage, that hasn't been voted on yet.

1408
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:59,820
can't speak to that, or if it's already taken place, the agenda items closed, you can present

1409
01:37:59,820 --> 01:38:05,210
facts of how this went. That's kind of what I do personally and I recommend that.

1410
01:38:05,290 --> 01:38:06,330
You know,

1411
01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:09,750
the city's page of

1412
01:38:16,340 --> 01:38:19,220
it. Let's say, let's say you have a board member who gets on there

1413
01:38:19,220 --> 01:38:27,860
and says, hey, we've been in our meeting on purchasing seven red chairs. Come on out and vote.

1414
01:38:28,020 --> 01:38:28,240
And then

1415
01:38:30,770 --> 01:38:33,250
we're getting on their likes and another board member gets on their likes.

1416
01:38:33,390 --> 01:38:37,170
And all of a sudden, you got to call them a board members that are liking the fact that we're going

1417
01:38:37,170 --> 01:38:40,470
to have our agenda purchasing seven chairs. Do we just violate the other meetings?

1418
01:38:42,290 --> 01:38:49,850
Absolutely. So, once when you do this or this, I will do no more guests. That's it.

1419
01:38:58,810 --> 01:39:01,930
Session is already talking about the reason we go into executive sessions and the

1420
01:39:01,930 --> 01:39:06,230
opening of the specific purposes, consulting with your attorney, deliberating regarding

1421
01:39:06,230 --> 01:39:12,110
real property personnel matters, security, and economic development negotiations.

1422
01:39:16,510 --> 01:39:21,950
Again, notice must be posted in the specific section of the government code.

1423
01:39:21,950 --> 01:39:27,450
brief description of the description that's going to give away how's that great project names if you have any code names

1424
01:39:27,450 --> 01:39:28,990
He's got a whole list of them back there

1425
01:39:29,890 --> 01:39:34,210
Request your attorney's advice on an issue come an example for a closed meeting

1426
01:39:34,810 --> 01:39:39,150
Not just to go into discuss something that you don't want to discuss in public

1427
01:39:39,150 --> 01:39:43,490
And if you've been back in executive session with me, you know that I had many faces

1428
01:39:43,490 --> 01:39:48,410
And one of those faces is okay, we need to save this for when we get out in the public

1429
01:39:48,410 --> 01:39:52,310
say this deliberation we're back here. You're getting legal advice out of me. I have no

1430
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:58,970
one legal advice to give. Let's get your snacks and go, right? Let's go back. And, you

1431
01:39:58,970 --> 01:40:05,690
know, and honestly, the counts as I work with our horror stories that I hear about, you

1432
01:40:05,690 --> 01:40:11,860
know, folks that violate this. And there's no, there's no reason to it. General topics,

1433
01:40:12,300 --> 01:40:16,540
litigation, and personal matters are insufficient to go back and talk about litigation, litigation

1434
01:40:16,540 --> 01:40:20,940
has to be truly anticipated. Meaning you've got to let us say we are going to sue you.

1435
01:40:23,860 --> 01:40:24,080
And this

1436
01:40:24,940 --> 01:40:29,180
Yeah, I want to mention this for those of you that do have executive sessions, make sure you have a

1437
01:40:29,180 --> 01:40:29,720
quorum.

1438
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:34,840
Once you convene you open the meeting, do your priority, your pledge, read or announce the

1439
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:39,260
reason that you're going into executive session, and then you go into executive session,

1440
01:40:39,380 --> 01:40:40,960
usually tell the public, we'll be back out.

1441
01:40:41,180 --> 01:40:45,940
Make sure you come back out from executive session to make an announcement whether there is any

1442
01:40:45,940 --> 01:40:47,800
action that's going to be taken.

1443
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:53,460
No acts, you simply say, you know, item bubble, blah, blah, no action, necessary or or you

1444
01:40:53,460 --> 01:40:58,620
what your action is. So you may see the council may go in on two and

1445
01:40:58,620 --> 01:41:01,980
executive session for an economic development agreement on with a codename,

1446
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:07,880
like you know, if we come out and we may, you know, we make action to enter

1447
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:11,720
into an economic development agreement, a 380 agreement, you know, with whoever.

1448
01:41:16,810 --> 01:41:17,390
H-E-B.

1449
01:41:25,490 --> 01:41:29,790
Or we do have a certified agenda and if you are the chair, please take on the

1450
01:41:29,790 --> 01:41:32,790
responsibility to make sure that you're in an executive session that

1451
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:36,710
there's a certified agenda back there with you, nothing worse than

1452
01:41:36,710 --> 01:41:43,970
10 years later, that's where the certified agendas are, you're like, oh, it attendance should be limited to persons necessary for the purpose.

1453
01:41:44,090 --> 01:41:49,150
I'm an executive session, so you should have somebody back in an executive session who has no

1454
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:57,000
reason are going to be those that are members of

1455
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:08,220
obviously, if

1456
01:42:10,430 --> 01:42:11,210
they're going to be, they'll

1457
01:42:16,910 --> 01:42:24,130
be decisions should be made in public, no secret ballots, it is okay, when you're in close session, you can't vote and close.

1458
01:42:31,710 --> 01:42:36,750
how do you feel about this and so you have a consensus or an understanding, but the voting

1459
01:42:36,750 --> 01:42:44,520
you do out out of the public and don't disclose what you discussed in executive session.

1460
01:42:46,340 --> 01:42:50,440
That's basically what an offense is if you disclose what's been discussed back there as part

1461
01:42:50,440 --> 01:42:54,480
of what's on the certified agenda and then you can, and this is really, especially important

1462
01:42:54,480 --> 01:42:58,640
for economic development folks, you can become liable, personally liable, print damage is

1463
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:03,780
is defamation. Most of the stress, reasonable attorney's fees, court costs, but individuals

1464
01:43:04,660 --> 01:43:09,020
slandered, you know, as a result of something that you said. Public information, keep going.

1465
01:43:10,020 --> 01:43:13,580
What is public information? Any information that's collected assembled maintained in the

1466
01:43:13,580 --> 01:43:18,380
lower ordnance and connection with the transaction of city business by or for governmental body?

1467
01:43:18,420 --> 01:43:19,500
I've already talked about

1468
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:25,120
your cell phones. We talked about your eotexamuses. We talked about

1469
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:30,020
if you're discussing city business on your Twitter accounts on your Facebook account. That's all deemed

1470
01:43:30,020 --> 01:43:32,820
to be public information because it is information

1471
01:43:32,820 --> 01:43:34,920
that is discussing city business provided.

1472
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:37,960
What you're discussing relates to your board

1473
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:38,860
of your commission, okay?

1474
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:41,100
If you send a text message to Chris

1475
01:43:41,100 --> 01:43:44,020
and you say, hey, there's a tree branch hanging down

1476
01:43:44,020 --> 01:43:47,880
on a fifth tree and you're getting on the economic development board.

1477
01:43:48,060 --> 01:43:49,720
That is nothing to do with economic development.

1478
01:43:50,180 --> 01:43:51,940
So what makes a request for that?

1479
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:53,260
Chris is gonna have it anyway,

1480
01:43:53,480 --> 01:43:55,400
but that's not something that's within your purview.

1481
01:43:56,200 --> 01:44:02,200
That's not related to what you have to keep.

1482
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:04,020
for the protection period.

1483
01:44:04,740 --> 01:44:05,960
So we talked about public information,

1484
01:44:06,180 --> 01:44:07,440
focus on the content.

1485
01:44:07,540 --> 01:44:09,940
Just focus on the content, not the media through which

1486
01:44:09,940 --> 01:44:11,240
you are sending it, OK?

1487
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:13,580
So if you send it, well, it's not

1488
01:44:13,580 --> 01:44:15,600
worried about how you sent it, what you sent it through,

1489
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:17,480
what's the content of it?

1490
01:44:17,480 --> 01:44:19,200
And that doesn't relate to city business.

1491
01:44:21,340 --> 01:44:21,340
All right,

1492
01:44:23,630 --> 01:44:24,550
and we are talking about the content.

1493
01:44:24,570 --> 01:44:26,210
Communication between public officials

1494
01:44:26,210 --> 01:44:27,590
on Facebook page or Twitter,

1495
01:44:28,030 --> 01:44:30,490
account-considivallation-texts of a meetings act,

1496
01:44:30,850 --> 01:44:32,730
answered yes, communication among a quantum account

1497
01:44:32,730 --> 01:44:36,030
from outside of an open meetings with constitutive violation.

1498
01:44:37,290 --> 01:44:38,750
Quick run down on social media.

1499
01:44:39,050 --> 01:44:40,950
These are not ingrained in law.

1500
01:44:41,010 --> 01:44:42,730
This is common sense stuff.

1501
01:44:44,770 --> 01:44:46,950
Officers posting on any social media website

1502
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:49,090
viewed by the public, exercise a highest level

1503
01:44:49,090 --> 01:44:51,550
of the accuracy, professionalism, respect,

1504
01:44:51,970 --> 01:44:53,810
and concern for the reputation of peace of mind

1505
01:44:53,810 --> 01:44:56,110
of individuals who may be affected by the post

1506
01:44:56,110 --> 01:44:58,270
and the city's reputation and image.

1507
01:44:58,830 --> 01:44:59,970
Any comments, opinions, or statements?

1508
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,020
Our subject to restrictions under the Texas Obamitians Act.

1509
01:45:03,340 --> 01:45:06,340
All the law officers, I'm not comment on the same post.

1510
01:45:06,500 --> 01:45:09,160
I was not to create a walking quorum of the City Council Board Commission.

1511
01:45:09,380 --> 01:45:11,620
I've already hit on that.

1512
01:45:11,860 --> 01:45:13,160
It's your thumbs up.

1513
01:45:13,480 --> 01:45:15,620
We're freeing from posting your personal opinions on that.

1514
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:18,540
I was brought before the City Council Board of Commission, including, but not live and do.

1515
01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:20,900
Personal opinions on pending matters.

1516
01:45:21,260 --> 01:45:23,100
Wait. Deliverate it.

1517
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:25,360
Give them. You know, talk about it at the meeting.

1518
01:45:26,100 --> 01:45:29,080
Decorations on how officer intends to vote on an issue.

1519
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:36,000
Engage their debating with citizens on items presented to the City Council Board of Commission and officers are you meant for a guest and item

1520
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:39,160
Because what happens is if you if you're a council member and you're already on there

1521
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:43,740
You're on a border commission and you're already on their discussing something that's been posted on your agenda

1522
01:45:43,740 --> 01:45:48,840
And you're having that discussion, okay, and you're telling the public all these things are you violating the law?

1523
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:54,220
No, you're not but then you get another member on there, right and they start engaging you in the same thing

1524
01:45:54,220 --> 01:45:55,480
Are you violating the law?

1525
01:45:55,480 --> 01:45:58,300
No, you're not but then you go another member on it

1526
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:00,080
That's what you start having the problem.

1527
01:46:00,260 --> 01:46:03,600
So it's hard to say, OK, we know this particular person on the board of commissions

1528
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:05,120
is going to do this every time.

1529
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:06,940
So the rest of us are never going to do it.

1530
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:11,780
The bottom line is we should all try to abide by this so that we're saving that deliberation

1531
01:46:11,780 --> 01:46:13,400
or that debate before that meeting.

1532
01:46:13,500 --> 01:46:17,960
Let the public come to the meeting or tune into the meeting to hear all those things.

1533
01:46:20,420 --> 01:46:24,320
Do I post statements on behalf of the city, official statements come from the mayor,

1534
01:46:24,460 --> 01:46:28,920
mayor programs, city manager, city attorney, or other persons designated by the city manager or mayor.

1535
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:34,580
And even for myself, I get calls all the time from the press, and I never make a statement

1536
01:46:34,580 --> 01:46:40,180
unless I'm told to make a statement, and then I usually don't make a statement now.

1537
01:46:41,420 --> 01:46:46,540
May tell your professionalism common currency on your post when you're commenting, commenting,

1538
01:46:46,540 --> 01:46:47,740
commenting your official capacity.

1539
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:48,480
I don't care what you do.

1540
01:46:48,580 --> 01:46:49,640
I don't have to look at capacity.

1541
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:53,980
But in your physical capacity, you're respectful, and then you'll be neutral to rent

1542
01:46:53,980 --> 01:46:58,180
the interpretation that a decision has already been made in an open means, which is a violation

1543
01:46:58,180 --> 01:47:01,820
know the open meetings act and that's what goes back where I was talking about before when

1544
01:47:01,820 --> 01:47:04,740
you get a bunch of council members and there's been so many times I've been at a council

1545
01:47:04,740 --> 01:47:09,740
meeting and my fictitious cities and somebody in the public sky I'm going to go oh

1546
01:47:09,740 --> 01:47:15,180
council you're already debated this anyway so we know where it's going right you your official

1547
01:47:15,180 --> 01:47:20,280
uh don't use your official position to post negative or drogatory for argument or boys

1548
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:26,860
personal opinions against an individual business or entity um that's again using your official position

1549
01:47:26,860 --> 01:47:29,140
in your official position to do that.

1550
01:47:29,620 --> 01:47:33,620
When you're posting online communications of a city related business, which is not posted

1551
01:47:33,620 --> 01:47:37,080
as an approved representation of the city on the city's behalf, make it clear that you

1552
01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:39,280
are speaking for yourself on behalf of yourself.

1553
01:47:41,140 --> 01:47:48,000
Some council members put a disclaimer, this is just me, only me responsible, this is my opinion.

1554
01:47:48,540 --> 01:47:52,640
Again, we are not in any way trying to take away your first amendment rights whatsoever, and

1555
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:58,100
we're seeing in the laws where they're following finally with social media and what are your first

1556
01:47:58,100 --> 01:48:02,860
your first amendment rights? I can't tell you that you can't go post the sign for against the

1557
01:48:02,860 --> 01:48:07,060
candidate, right? You don't know how many times I've gotten that question? We want to pass an

1558
01:48:07,060 --> 01:48:11,740
ordinance that board members or council members can't post the sign in their front yard supporting

1559
01:48:11,740 --> 01:48:16,540
the candidate, okay? No, we can't do that. You have your first amendment rights to do that.

1560
01:48:19,150 --> 01:48:20,610
No questions, I'll be going to see you later.

1561
01:48:23,130 --> 01:48:24,750
Joe, can I pick a question? Yes, they've never

1562
01:48:24,750 --> 01:48:26,490
regarding some of the social media stuff.

1563
01:48:27,010 --> 01:48:30,710
I just want to say that I'm about representation

1564
01:48:31,550 --> 01:48:33,730
and we all are, as I said before,

1565
01:48:33,870 --> 01:48:36,110
we all representatives of the city,

1566
01:48:36,510 --> 01:48:38,430
and so what we say and how we say of matters,

1567
01:48:38,770 --> 01:48:40,170
and we represent one another.

1568
01:48:40,990 --> 01:48:44,470
And so you all, all of us have a direct access

1569
01:48:44,470 --> 01:48:46,230
to the source of the issue.

1570
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:48,550
And so I would strongly encourage you,

1571
01:48:48,570 --> 01:48:50,970
when you have an issue or you're upset about something

1572
01:48:50,970 --> 01:48:52,710
or something's going on,

1573
01:48:52,710 --> 01:48:57,670
You have direct access to myself and the rest of Council, so let's resolve it.

1574
01:48:57,690 --> 01:49:01,490
There's no need to blast the city on social media if that makes sense.

1575
01:49:01,630 --> 01:49:07,530
So please do me the common courtesy, the professional courtesy, have an professional courtesy

1576
01:49:07,530 --> 01:49:14,070
to come to us and let us try to attempt to resolve the issue before it escalates if that makes sense.

1577
01:49:14,310 --> 01:49:14,330
Okay.

1578
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:15,090
Thanks.

1579
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:18,860
It's the Italian.

1580
01:49:19,140 --> 01:49:20,260
I mean, I guess I'll blame it on that.

1581
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:23,400
As we're getting close to the two-hour mark, because that was my goal.

1582
01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:34,680
And there's a lot of information in there so please if you have any questions whatsoever, ask you can ask them now, ask me afterwards, ask your staff liaison and then, you know, dollar volunteers.

1583
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:40,900
So we appreciate what you do, I appreciate what you do, and please don't have, there's no stupid question.

1584
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:45,400
And thank you for saying away. This is our

1585
01:49:56,980 --> 01:49:58,020
planning and zoning.

1586
01:49:58,020 --> 01:50:02,360
Okay, Plating Zoning has final decision making on Plats.

1587
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:04,360
We've got the,

1588
01:50:08,050 --> 01:50:09,650
yeah, there you go.

1589
01:50:09,750 --> 01:50:13,210
Zoning Board of the Justice, which is a quasi, did they ever meet?

1590
01:50:13,710 --> 01:50:14,010
Yes.

1591
01:50:15,050 --> 01:50:17,670
Zoning Board of the Justice was basically quasi-judicial.

1592
01:50:17,810 --> 01:50:19,410
They are final decision making.

1593
01:50:19,590 --> 01:50:21,730
Variant yield when they grant variances or not.

1594
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:27,990
We've also got a few final decision making as a relates to our type A and our type B.

1595
01:50:28,210 --> 01:50:30,710
They have final decision making authority as it relates to

1596
01:50:30,710 --> 01:50:34,170
Certain purchases or certain contracts if they're under a certain amount of money

1597
01:50:34,170 --> 01:50:38,650
Who might miss an airport board also has some final decision making authority as it relates

1598
01:50:38,650 --> 01:50:42,030
They're spending authority come on anyone else. What I'm missing

1599
01:50:45,550 --> 01:50:47,150
NDA. Yes, NDA too

1600
01:50:47,590 --> 01:50:52,670
So there's some that those are some limited authority parts board has no final decision making authority

1601
01:50:55,270 --> 01:50:59,150
Those we have out there with no library board has no final decision making authority

1602
01:50:59,710 --> 01:51:02,810
The store could buy as a reward has no final decision making authority

1603
01:51:04,870 --> 01:51:08,890
Sorry guys, so that's that answer question

1604
01:51:28,180 --> 01:51:30,260
and I'll say that for those that are that

1605
01:51:30,260 --> 01:51:33,920
because this is being recorded. What was the previous name?

1606
01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:41,000
So I'm going to let you sit and sit and sit and sit and sit and sit in the cabin.

1607
01:51:41,240 --> 01:51:43,000
You're taking it. You're done with your requirements.

1608
01:51:46,550 --> 01:51:47,430
Anything else?

1609
01:51:48,290 --> 01:51:49,270
Any pizza left?

1610
01:51:53,780 --> 01:51:59,660
So can we clarify the next steps, each board, by themselves, one of their own training?

1611
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:05,000
Yes, and as mentioned earlier, the next step is this, as you'll see over the next month and a half,

1612
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:09,700
each board will be having their own specialized training as of now,

1613
01:52:10,020 --> 01:52:16,160
or whatever takes either before your regular meeting or as a special meeting, as of relates to your board specifically.

1614
01:52:20,300 --> 01:52:23,620
You have your policy on governance process.

1615
01:52:23,620 --> 01:52:27,060
if you could sign them and give them to Walter on the way out.

1616
01:52:27,740 --> 01:52:29,440
No kidding, do the city secretary.