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We'll start with a pledge of allegiance and then, Brad, we'll give the sorry implications.

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I'd like to get to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation under odd, into this whole with liberty and justice for all.

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Part of the love it Heavenly Father, we come before thee this evening.

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We'll found be grateful for the opportunity that we have to govern ourselves.

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grateful for the freedom which we enjoy and the peace which we enjoy in this little valley.

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We are grateful for this little area which we live.

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We ask for thy spirit of protection and community and unity to be upon it.

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We ask that this evening we will be fair and just and everything that we do and say this

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the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Brad.

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stays is here, there will close the doors. Need to leave. We are welcome to come back

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into the room. We'll start with our consent agenda tonight. September 1st, regular meeting,

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this meeting, the warrant list, and also met from the August 18 City Council meeting. Any

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We'll take a minute down.

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Anything that is not on our agenda tonight, and you would like to speak to please

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come to the mic and introduce yourself to you.

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name in your address. Please keep the comments short. We do have a full agenda tonight,

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but we do want folks to be heard.

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I think this should be quick, probably for us.

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And Joe Mcereard, 1064, Timberick, Gordon Midley. My question observation is,

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the last paid job on Homestead Road. Copy two years ago now. And then this new paid job

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here on East Mainland, which is brand-new as fault.

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I can't imagine either of those meet the international roughness index as a state

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user.

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So, when are we going to get an overlay, that's final and actually smooth enough to meet the

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state requirements?

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Just an answer to that.

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It is a smoothness criteria on both jobs.

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You approved, they did grind some on Homestead two years ago.

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I think the reason they lowered their standard a bit,

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next summer they're planning to do a seal coat across.

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I think from Maine and CERN all the way up to the state park,

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which will put it in the new road as they said.

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And here I had also previously talked about the drainage on the homestead road too.

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And I've passed that on to you, but in fact we have another meeting next week there.

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It's up to embryo.

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We'll bring it up again.

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else? Thank you for coming in for the, uh, I'll bring them up too.

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All right, we'll go ahead and move into our department reports.

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And I'll see you on, of course, right here.

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Park's travel and trees, Michael who's reporting on that.

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I'm going to report on that one.

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So, Park's travel trees, we've had meetings every other month this year.

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I've been at the last two meetings.

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We do have another member of our staff that's going to be running that in the future.

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So, Brian out of our building department, what we doing that.

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So I have gone through the last two meetings and one meeting we went over all of the different

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open space and trails projects that we have in town and just got the committee up to speed

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on that.

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There's some new committee members to make sure that they know all the different projects

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So we've got, and the last meeting we worked on goals and projects that I want to work towards.

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One of the projects that they want to work on is the very e-heal part.

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So we do have a landscaping plan.

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It was developed by Karlberg.

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So they took a look at that plan and went over the plan.

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They liked it generally.

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They may have a few comments to make moving forward.

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And so we do have a public access

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easement on the 11 acres, off a mid-cheat mid-GY.

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that they would like to look at me, make recommendations,

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and see the council on how to move forward on that.

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So those are some items that we talked about

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part of Cells and Trees Committee. The committee is engaged and we've

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looking forward to these projects or to the coming year. Any questions for staff?

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Michael, I'd encourage the committee to look at the the the late. That's not the

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place park or the heel park. Now the B.D. B.D. Bush has put some berms dressed

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of what we would love puts in clay, top soil, material, over the pot, rock. They might want

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to rethink Carl's landscape plan.

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Yeah, that's good information.

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All right, thank you, Mike.

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I'm going to move Diane.

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We have Mike here with us to give us a visual architectural committee report.

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Actually, I'm deferring to the medical team on this one, I thought that she was going to have

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the right result of the historical preservation committee, so I'm not going to be

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able to see the presentation, but I know he is.

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Thank you both for your service this Thursdays.

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We've had a meeting in the last week actually for the visual architectural committee.

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Diane does a great job as our chair.

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runs a meeting well. And what we looked at over this past meeting was the home set

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spot. So this is part of the master plan.

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We are going to come forward with the change to the code, probably October 6, where the visual and architectural committee will make a recommendation to city council, regarding architectural standards instead of staff.

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So you'll see that code text amendment soon. That's for this item. They did review it. They made a recommendation to staff.

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And this is the spa building, which is located where the current maintenance building is right now on site.

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So if you come up Pine Canyon Road and this is a small map right here, there is one access going into the homestead up Pine Canyon Road and it goes to the current maintenance building.

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The maintenance building has been moved, there's a new maintenance building up on the west side of the creek.

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And so the current maintenance building will become the spot and it's in a very nice location next to Snake Creek.

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And here's some renderings of that building.

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It matches the other new buildings that we have on site at the Homestead.

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Very much so using the same materials.

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And so we actually have a materials board right here.

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It does kind of tie into some of the older buildings that we've got.

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So, the Virginia House, we have some sighting, for instance, that kind of crosses over from the old to the new, as you go to the homestead in the spa building.

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So, the spa building, again, is access from Plain Canyon Road, but most of the access will be just coming in from the main building of the homestead, so people generally walk down to the spa building.

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Also, there's golf carts that will be used on the side, but this is the rendering that the EEC looked at.

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And they actually did not recommend any changes from what the architect had sent to us.

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So, so this building is moving forward. Now, we should see the building permit very soon.

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That's the only item there now.

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Thank you.

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Appreciate that.

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All right. Next.

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So there are a financial report from our, I did office, sir.

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I have been meeting some, this is just setting off the plan to have me come every month to give a financial summary.

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It won't be a detailed one and it'll just be a very general one.

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I'm really excited.

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The direction the city is going financially and being responsible with the funds that weren't

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tested.

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So, as I said, it's just a very generic summary.

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I have email due to financial statements, which you got in your email.

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Just in our general fund, our reserves are just shy of a million dollars, our revenue for

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to live as before I get for eight, and it's in it's year 622 for 80.

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Our CIP fund, we have just 5,000,000 and the revenue for July was 58,000 and

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expenditure is 56,000.

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Our water fund, $9.6 million, revenue for July was 464,000 and our expenditures, it's kind

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I mean, it was a native, but we received reimbursement spot from MST and then we aggregations

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and it's the negative $54.19.

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And in our ICHE fund, our reserves are at 232,467, revenue was the interest that we

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earned off of the PTIF account and no expenditures were spent in July.

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Our visitor center fund, when you brought in 27,668, and our expenditures were 28 by 49.

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I think that's about $800.

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We received the year-end financials from the accountant, which I emailed to you.

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Questions that you might have on that report please email me.

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I will, if the answer is from the accountant, I also want to throw out, if you would like

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the accountant to come to our meeting, to explain the financials in more detail, they're

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more than happy to do that.

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And audit preparation has begun just so you can get on a few items from staff to finish

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but it's 98% done. I have, it all sent to the account. So I think that's all of

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questions from everyone. What led to the plot over time expense and telegraphs?

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I do not know that off the top of my head.

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Clean up, so we have that,

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our asset essential software that creates the work orders for public works is

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Better development and has gone live and with that there's

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More than a hundred tasks that have been identified

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We've been working on some of the stuff that historically has been handled by the engineering department

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There's also been work been all the parks

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And that's the majority of the time.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions?

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Appreciate the efforts.

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All right.

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Just one thing to note, our September work meeting has been changed to the 14th, which is a Monday

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at 6 p.m.

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Michael thinks he needs to be gone Tuesday for it.

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It says coming off from the mission so he will be gone that evening, so we moved it to Monday

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That work for everyone

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our item five our water exchange program. This will be continued

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We'll not get into this night with a full agenda, but also we're not prepared completely on this one. It's a

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portion of the formula that we're gonna be reviewing as we talk about water

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So we'll continue this one. We'll move the agenda

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item six, our town square, this is a discussion and possibly approve concepts or ideas for

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a plan to review the town square. If that might come, we'll turn the time over to you.

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All right, thank you, Mayor Simon's University Council members of the public. This side

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and we've had our agenda multiple times at this point. I'm not going to go over the master plan

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that has been presented has not been adopted

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by the City Council for my V.I.

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But our main issue is we have been awarded

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$600,000 grant.

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We do need to spend almost $1.8 million

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in order to keep that $600,000.

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The termination date for that grant is December 15th.

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We have applied for an extension,

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and then we give us another six months.

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So you have Nancy O'Toole, who was our grant writer here in attendance. I'll thank Nancy for being here. Has that extension been approved or just submitted?

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They need next week on Wednesday, but it looks like we will get the full extension.

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Okay, and that would bring us to June 15th, for 2027, which is good, because we do need all the time we can get at this point.

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Thank you.

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Can you clarify that date?

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Is that begin by date?

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What is that date?

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Well, what date?

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The six six six six six six six six six six.

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That date has to be complete.

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Complete date.

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Thanks.

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We can probably do a little wiggle room, but yes.

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I just wanted to.

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Nancy, when do we expect to get a yes or no answer on the intention?

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The same day they have the board meeting, which will be next Wednesday.

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James will just email me is what they do. They have to bring it to the board in order to approve that.

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Our main goal tonight, well, our last meeting, everybody was either given the electronic copy of the master plan,

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or a hard copy of the master plan, the idea was that if you take a look at the master plan and make suggestions on what we should move forward on first.

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Because we do need to move forward again, this grant that we've received is that specifically for our structure, Nancy.

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So it has to be a structure that we need to move forward on that.

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We can move forward on plans for the structure without adopting the master plan,

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which I think at this point is what we need to do to, because time is limited on this

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and that can't be over-emphasized that we do not have a lot of time to move forward regarding constructing and building.

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And so, we do need to make sure the direction we go is regarding a structure.

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We can add other things to it if we wanted to work on the prominent audit with the parking.

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That's part of the proposed phase one out of the IBI plan, and that seems like that would be the little hanging fruit to move forward.

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The part of this doesn't need to be a building, so that's our main emphasis tonight is getting direction.

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So, we can hire a designer and an engineer to start on the building.

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So, I was just declared by the total, well, the additional one, okay, so the 600 has to be

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for a structure.

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Oh, yep, can may I correct that, please, it's a 50-50 grant, so we have to spend 1.2 only

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to get the 600,000.

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Now when I wrote the grant, it was 1.7 because we added a whole bunch of stuff to it.

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We're talking to them, it's a 50-50 map, so we spend 600, we get 600, so the total cost

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and only doesn't have to be 1.7, and only has to be 1.2.

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So that helps you guys out a little bit.

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You're saying the match is only 600.

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And so if you build a building, but 1.2, we're good.

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But the 600 and the matching 600 minimum has to be for your building.

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It has to be for the cons here building.

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And we'll get the $16,000 we're made from that signature.

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They gave you 540 and you're going to have to go 540.

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So regarding the town square plan, we do have a rendering that was created by Mr. Jones

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of our planning department that looks really nice.

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So that's something that get excited about right there.

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This is the plan from IBI, and this is our phasing plan.

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So we do need to move forward again on on a building,

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and deciding what this first phase is going to be.

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I think another goal, definitely,

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is adopting the overall master plan.

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And so let me put this on a future agenda

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to see if we can get an adoption of the master plan

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plus the phasing plan that we go along with it.

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Some ideas that we've had regarding buildings,

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and it's good that Nancy is here.

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So we can discuss these.

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And this way, when we're looking at a building,

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just directly north of us in the chamber here, just outside these windows, having a structure

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built in this location attached to the community center.

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We even had stakes put out, and so we could see exactly the location of it.

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City Council never came to any type of agreement on moving forward with that building,

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so we've had some other ideas that have exploded.

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One is converting the existing children building, so this is where all the cooling equipment is into something more than the visual right now.

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We do have storage of this ambonia on the south end of the building, and that's ambonia when it goes to use service and find out the ice drives over all the headers to that from the children.

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And that is something that's created damage over time.

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we had as many to fix that. So one thought is to build a new storage or new addition on the

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north side of this building. So that's Amboni doesn't have to cross the headers all the time

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and trade the images move forward. And so expanding this is this building and repurposing it,

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still going to have the children in it, but making it something more than it is as an option.

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Also building something on the north side of the the the rank is an option and we talked about

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sessions, icegate storage, also the support rooms, office, for instance, the warming room,

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even an observation deck, could be at this location, so that's another option for us.

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Also expanding just the concrete around the outside of the icegate and where it could be helpful too.

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So that's something to consider as part of the project.

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But again, there needs to be towards a structure.

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We also did have the idea and one of the work meetings that, right now we have some portable

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buildings that we bring in each year, maybe have some more permanent type buildings, but

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not the final product, something that's kind of temporary in the meantime to move forward

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and use the grant money.

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We need to make sure that that would actually work with Nancy, but to have something that would

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carry us over for a number of years until we decide fully on what's going to happen with

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community center and possibly having die-skating facilities as part of the community center.

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So those are ideas that have been floated, J.C., Council Member Simons and sent me some slides with his ideas.

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And so we can go over those.

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But we do need to do need to get some directions soon on this.

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I'll try to run through.

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Yeah, that's good that you brought some too.

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I'll just try to run through.

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So we were all asked to kind of brainstorm,

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and a sense, start over, be creative,

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hold you do if it were you, and so I put together a few things

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to kind of do that.

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For me, I started with some 20,000 foot necessities.

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For sure, we need to use more trees.

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They need to be carefully placed, right size, right places.

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so that eventually they come into what we really want in that in that place.

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I do think we need to think about historical violence.

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You're preserving what's already great and things like that as we work through it. Obviously Swiss days, as we know as we see, as makes me late on days like tonight, is an issue we have to work around that.

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So yeah, I think we talked about benches and along the path or maybe some nice little looks with trees or other things that would make it a nice little quiet area.

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But I think it's amazing what you can do is space when you work with it.

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So here around uses in mind, some cover spaces, some uncovered spaces.

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I think some redundant spaces could be useful if the uses were to increase.

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And then just general connectivity, what does it connect?

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On the square, around the square, I think those are key issues.

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So, if you look forward to all.

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So, as I look at the community center, I still personally think there's a lot of value in looking at expanding to the north of this.

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I think you could do different things. One thing I proposed here was instead of making the building really large, kind of focus on putting it into space there where it doesn't create a crazy alley.

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It doesn't block Windows on either side, but to get more usable space, well, I put a deck on the on the one side

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On the what would be the right side and you can see maybe that I just cut some of them from another spot and ended up there

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Kind of give an example, and then on the other side

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It would be an outdoor

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Open, but covered, societal, and top-covered

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space, which could be used. You're around for different things. It could be a stage area for

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performance. It could be, you know, just a seating area during the winter for people to sit

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in a sunlight protected space. It could really house a lot of uses you around. If you would,

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I think I covered pretty much most of it. Next one, I asked AI to produce switches. You know,

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I think we should face lift this building.

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We talked about it.

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I can do a better job than AI did on this,

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but just wanted to show a face lift.

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This isn't a great AI job here.

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I've definitely seen better.

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As far as the new edition,

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I think we talked about something along these lines,

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a lot of windows, keeping it to where it feels open.

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This is just an example of picture I found in the internet

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that a lot of windows, not really too wide.

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I think it would have kind of a prominent entrance, but on the sides where you see this house going out.

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I wouldn't think it would go out very far because outside of the small wings, if you will, call them not.

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I would put, like I said, maybe open decking or open but covered stage area on the other side.

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That would be really, we can go to a map again, but just kind of high level.

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I think the design we were looking at is close. I just don't think we like the exact proportions of things. There were issues with it. Next slide please

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This is just an example again finding a picture of the internet. It's kind of like that. It's open. This has a brick wall underneath it

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If we had one it might be just one on one side but really quite open. What that would be is looking out these windows.

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You wouldn't see this big wall blocking you off. You would see past what I've kind of proposed and you would see this and you would see through this

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So it would really just open it up

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There's a lot more to consider. I mean you could put down

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For performance purposes like a pull down shade that could be transparent or opaque or someone middle next slide please

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Here's just another example showing you know

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I wouldn't this wouldn't be like a full-time stage sitting there empty.

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It could be used year-round for multiple uses.

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I just showed, you know, chairs and, you know, whatever routes, tables, whatever you wanted to use in that space.

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So it wouldn't just be a stage space in my mind.

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Next slide please.

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And then, so this is just a talking slide.

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But basically, if you'll move forward, this is just an example

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of somebody playing pretty good guitarist, playing on stage.

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But notice there's something hanging behind these guys.

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So that's what I mean when I'm talking about.

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You could use some fabric to produce a backdrop or whatever.

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It could be translucent or it could be opaque.

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It could be black or gray or something to provide that backdrop.

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For that use, you could have partitioned

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accomplish other things as well. Next slide, please. I do think there's a lot of logic

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and maybe extending on the north of the current building. I don't know exactly where it

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should go, but it could go here somewhere. I think you could not only help house Zenbole and

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baby fix that can serve with the entrance and breaking the ice or the headers, not the ice

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from the headers. It also can function as storage. We talked about where to put the skates and where

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store the skates and it can store ice skates, rollers, skates, you know, all kinds of things.

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It wouldn't have to be just a whole example of this.

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So if you thought of this as an unheated storage space, that allows the other building proposal

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over here to stay smaller and not really try to accommodate storage in that.

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Another thing that actually creates here, which is beneficial, I think, is again sort of

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thought hard about West and South being your sources of sun, right, and summer evenings.

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So I think it creates a nice little nuke for this proposed other space, which could be

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a presentation space for, you know, performance space, or just any kind of group gathering

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space, which would be shaded by this building, and other trees I would place, I'd show them

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some along the path too, and they would create a more intimate space, and I do think it's

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done it, but I'm arguing with that's a good thing.

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You could have multiple groups using the square out of once.

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As long as they weren't, you know, making loud noises, they could use it at once.

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Next slide, please.

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This area, I mean, they proposed originally a pavilion.

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I mean, you could eventually build one if you want it.

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You could move the barbecue pit if you want it.

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We already have a lot there that's functional.

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We do have a tennis court that's kind of too small.

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eventually it probably would be replaced. I don't think it matters that much

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what you do but you do want to make it nice. I think it would be another nice

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quarter if you again for redundant uses if there was another pavilion there it

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could be useful. When we're thinking big picture we're not saying we got to

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build this this year we're thinking vision right where does where did things

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really fit together kind of big building blocks. So as I look at that space I'm

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kind of okay with they proposed. I might add some more treaties just to make

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nicer around that area. If it were me but that's just my thought next please. I have actually proposed move this walk way to the north of the ring. I think it works a lot better with a lot of other things.

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I've also shown

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Don't be existing pavilion to remain exactly in the same spot, and that is using a google map. That's pretty darn close to where it is. I'm not positive. I stretched the image to match exactly the proportions, but that's kind of the idea is revitalize it, potentially keep using it, plan, plan for it to be there. If it's ever rebuilt in the same place so that it, um, so that the planning isn't affected by where we put it.

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So I think it works just fine that there are other advantages to putting it here on the more side.

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We'll have a more blown up or a step back view.

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Next slide please.

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We talked about parking.

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There's been different opinions.

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I do think if you're going to put parking on the square right here around the city offices,

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it's probably the best place to put it.

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You could get a lot of parking in the space.

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It's not, I don't think, completely wasted space.

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I think it's quite useful.

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The city offices are building busy seven days a week

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with staff and other people coming and going.

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It's probably too many spaces for that everyday use,

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but with other things going on on the square,

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if it becomes more vibrant and more used,

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I would think more public would be using the spaces.

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I think this is certainly a better place than where it is now

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in the middle of the block.

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And then by putting it here, you also retain parking around three of the edges.

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which I would continue to maintain.

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So really, the square would have a lot of parking,

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which I think is important for the ice drink.

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And for other uses, they're willing to promote

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to have, otherwise, it just makes everything crowded

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and congested and difficult to manage.

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So unless or until we have another solution,

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to me, this is the go-to solution

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and at least the short to meet the intern.

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If we've got another nearby lot

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and to Monday, expand parking off the square,

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This space could be converted later to something nicer.

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That's sort of what you can happen.

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Next, please.

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Oh, I will just know what the parking and I, you can see here.

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You know, by putting it there, it actually would connect to,

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because I've moved the cross-connection up.

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It connects to down on the south.

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It connects to it on the other side.

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And so not only does it provide access to sea offices,

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but the rest of the square and the pavilion is right there.

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It actually creates probably a kind of nice little

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if it were built to look better, a nice little location between the

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fillet in the sing-offices. And so it's not bad now, but I would

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see potential there for that being another useful space.

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I do, we do have the crossing to Centennial Park. One day that might be a

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good idea to have a raise crossing and maybe even the grass and bullbots that

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are showing here in Justin's Cubs, if we're encouraging people to use both of these

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there could be dangerous, right? So I kind of liked the idea of it is a

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three-street, but it would be narrow down to the point where you're going to go

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through carefully and maybe you're race-crossing the draw attention to it. I think

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it makes a lot of sense. But I also think it makes a lot of sense to be right there

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and to have that other path closer to it. So all the connectivity makes more sense

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to me like this. Next slide, please. Just the spaces. I'm not even doing anything

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with the, it would be the Southwest corner.

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I think it's okay to where it is.

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I like the things that we do with it right now.

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We have to be yoga there.

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We have the farmers market that uses some portion of that.

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I think it's already being utilized.

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And it is street side on main.

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And I like the fact that it's actually open there.

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And I think that space serves to be purpose as is.

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So I wouldn't make any changes from that proposal, really.

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above that what I'm talking about, there's kind of an area of the pavilion, no one

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can change. I mean, was again, taking a cross that cross street that goes all the way

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through, the access to the basement of the town hall. I would probably turn it into just sort

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of the minimal access and that's all it is. So it's not a through row, you don't go through

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there. We're not going to probably try to keep people off there or how people try to do loops

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through and connect to this and then go for that or other things, right?

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But again, just kind of leaving that as somewhat open long area.

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After making this image, I was thinking, if you can see I plot to tree there to the left of that upper one type first purpose long image.

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Kind of in front of the south of the pavilion.

448
00:34:34,700 --> 00:34:38,820
I'd actually probably not put that tree there, and I'll say what in a second.

449
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,220
Next days please.

450
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,200
Okay, so number four was where they had proposed really where that tree is.

451
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,440
on the right, took to the right of number four,

452
00:34:47,580 --> 00:34:48,500
they proposed a fountain.

453
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,200
I never really thought a fountain was a good idea.

454
00:34:51,260 --> 00:34:53,060
I wasn't the only one who thought that.

455
00:34:53,060 --> 00:34:55,140
So I think we're all more or less a ingredient

456
00:34:55,140 --> 00:34:56,280
in agreement about that.

457
00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:58,720
I do like that space though.

458
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:01,700
I do think you could still put some benches along the side.

459
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,560
You could still invite food trucks into the area.

460
00:35:04,780 --> 00:35:07,080
You could still put our current visible

461
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,580
or some other version of it that was portable

462
00:35:09,580 --> 00:35:11,060
and used it in that space.

463
00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:13,920
That can face to the one direction.

464
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:21,560
And I think it's nice to have, again, redundant uses and some options as far as different ways you can use these spaces.

465
00:35:23,940 --> 00:35:24,720
Next one, please.

466
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:32,660
Okay, so one of the things I took home, I went to the last week to a couch presentation.

467
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:34,540
I think it was last week.

468
00:35:35,180 --> 00:35:36,980
And it was good.

469
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:40,420
Just a lot of, again, brainstorming by the students.

470
00:35:40,420 --> 00:36:09,800
One of the things that I just took home is a simple, dumb little thing, but I just saw the images of the rings with these string lights, and it looks really cool, it's inviting, and it would look really cool and be inviting, I think, winter and summer, and we talked in not, you know, with the couch kids about uses, they had mentioned roller skating, they had mentioned dancing, they had mentioned musical events, they had mentioned movie nights.

471
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,820
I'm sure there are even other things.

472
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,220
I did ask them,

473
00:36:13,220 --> 00:36:14,660
guys, would you go to the living night?

474
00:36:15,180 --> 00:36:15,720
Yeah, we would.

475
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:16,360
Okay.

476
00:36:16,660 --> 00:36:17,980
Would you go to dancing?

477
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:19,200
Yeah, we probably would.

478
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,500
Would you go to the roller skating?

479
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,700
So there were different kids interested in different things,

480
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:24,820
but they said, yeah,

481
00:36:24,860 --> 00:36:27,520
we probably would do those things if they were available

482
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,160
some of the time.

483
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,660
So I think the space could be used for a lot of things.

484
00:36:33,140 --> 00:36:35,620
String lights would be a really simple way to jazz it up

485
00:36:35,620 --> 00:36:37,000
and just kind of make it nice.

486
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,960
and very well lit, but not overly lit for a lot of these activities.

487
00:36:42,460 --> 00:36:47,380
Another thing I think is potentially the same structure that supports string lights to make

488
00:36:47,380 --> 00:36:48,140
it nice.

489
00:36:48,820 --> 00:36:55,960
Also, if you probably have you read up to carry some shade fabric for the hottest part of summer,

490
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:04,140
and again, making it useful for more time of the year and more times of day, the biggest

491
00:37:04,140 --> 00:37:09,720
issue with the ice cream is the surface. It's just, it's just not. It's good for holding

492
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:14,940
ice, it's not good for anything else. And so, it's a concern that if we want to give you

493
00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:20,520
any of these other activities and utilize that space, we must fix that the surface, it's

494
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:28,520
must feel. But, yeah, just kind of showing the potential. It really strikes me as very, very

495
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:29,740
I don't know where you're interested in.

496
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:59,840
Next. Why have you done it? See? Yeah. Again, I already said, allow multiple groups to use the square at the same time. You know, someone's doing a family group meeting over in this corner, someone's, you know, having another art event over in another corner. I could see that happening. If there were that more usable spaces, why that being, I already mentioned not how do we're usable space, not necessarily part of a building, a lot more open, but yet usable.

497
00:38:01,140 --> 00:38:08,000
So the building would be able to bleed out onto the decks is basically the concept there without having to be more filled in.

498
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,820
Why build the adaption to the south of the ring already pumped and heated?

499
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,080
I would focus on primary uses, not storage for that area.

500
00:38:19,180 --> 00:38:24,380
I think putting the deck in debt materials and potentially the stage space there,

501
00:38:25,140 --> 00:38:27,700
I think that allows a lot of uses.

502
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:29,340
We'll talk in a second about that.

503
00:38:29,580 --> 00:38:30,260
Please, next slide.

504
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,920
So basically, all of this at once,

505
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,620
I just, I just look at that and say,

506
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:37,800
wow, that ice ring has a stage,

507
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,020
potentially, space on the south.

508
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,620
It has a more intimate space that can be used to the north

509
00:38:43,620 --> 00:38:47,480
on the lawn, the city can use that number four space

510
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,740
for food trucks during some of these events.

511
00:38:50,140 --> 00:38:52,780
I did it, can be, yeah, thank you.

512
00:38:52,780 --> 00:39:01,900
There's probably some stray numbers for my cutting and pasting, but I did attend the concert at the fourth, and it was fabulous.

513
00:39:02,420 --> 00:39:07,680
I'm taking hold in this incredible truck, and a stage came up, and it was just amazing.

514
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,340
The backdrop was incredible.

515
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:16,520
But yeah, just knowing what you could do with a well prepared space.

516
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,340
So I would see that number of four spaces, again being another multi-space.

517
00:39:20,340 --> 00:39:25,460
I wouldn't probably cover it because of, I proposed to put that somewhere else.

518
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,020
The key reason for that is thinking about the direction of the sun.

519
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,420
And yeah, I still think the ice cream closet is the biggest problem,

520
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,040
because it's wonderful for winter.

521
00:39:38,060 --> 00:39:40,680
How do you make it usable if you're around in pleasant year round?

522
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,440
I throw out some ideas for it.

523
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:45,220
So yeah, that's me.

524
00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:49,180
If I were to say, I think it's pretty close to what you got.

525
00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:52,160
Just make a few tweets.

526
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:55,540
How you doing?

527
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:58,640
Thank you, Jayce.

528
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:04,880
This was an action I have given to everybody just to fill you in on the caps activity.

529
00:40:07,850 --> 00:40:11,530
We were invited to participate over at UU.

530
00:40:12,690 --> 00:40:18,490
We shared the problem with the opportunity here with Town Square, split into five groups.

531
00:40:18,490 --> 00:40:19,650
Several of you did go.

532
00:40:19,690 --> 00:40:21,050
I appreciate that.

533
00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:22,930
I was up at a power conference in Logan.

534
00:40:22,930 --> 00:40:30,210
And I think it's important we do get a younger generation implement, so what this

535
00:40:30,210 --> 00:40:34,350
square is going to be and how they felt about it.

536
00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:35,990
That's part of it.

537
00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:42,630
I was wondering if any I hadn't seen anything else from anybody else, Lisa, Andrew, and anybody

538
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:46,210
else had anything that's been turned in or suggested.

539
00:40:47,330 --> 00:40:51,210
I didn't turn my dad a lot of it similar.

540
00:40:53,270 --> 00:41:13,950
I just had time to draw it all together, and then I was gone until today, so I'll get it to my home, but it's very, very similar, I think that that, I mean, the biggest thing for me, and you've got it on here is the parking.

541
00:41:13,950 --> 00:41:21,090
And I think that to utilize that's huge, I've been going back and forth on the

542
00:41:21,090 --> 00:41:26,810
Nord Building versus the South Building and the picture that you showed me, Craig.

543
00:41:27,930 --> 00:41:31,050
And I think that there's definitely pros and cons to all of them.

544
00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:34,170
I just think we need to just come up with a one.

545
00:41:34,750 --> 00:41:37,110
It's going to work and move up there.

546
00:41:38,110 --> 00:41:38,390
Okay.

547
00:41:39,630 --> 00:41:40,670
Thank you.

548
00:41:40,850 --> 00:41:41,130
Andrew.

549
00:41:41,130 --> 00:41:51,930
I send a text, I think, to Michael and to you, Mayor, trying to coordinate with

550
00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:58,310
COVID-19 standard where local architect designer, pulling together some stuff for this meeting.

551
00:41:59,590 --> 00:42:05,610
It's just timing as a workout, but it's in the works, so I'll keep you posted on that.

552
00:42:06,250 --> 00:42:07,570
Okay, thank you.

553
00:42:07,950 --> 00:42:07,990
Kevin?

554
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:08,670
How

555
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,060
is there going to be a different perspective on this?

556
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:22,340
I mean, Michael Lincoln was this master plan created.

557
00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:23,300
We did that probably.

558
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:29,720
Well, we started in 2021 and had a present in the City Council in 2022.

559
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:41,160
So we had this master plan for ideas, and the share from a design and planning perspective,

560
00:42:44,340 --> 00:42:52,580
I need to say it sounds very critical that there's a saying of a camel is a horse designed

561
00:42:52,580 --> 00:43:01,580
by a Canadian and there's a lot of truth in that and I feel over the last four or five

562
00:43:01,580 --> 00:43:05,880
years we have a lot of good input. Everyone's going to have different ideas and thoughts on

563
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:31,720
And if we're going to leave it up to five of us to kind of design it and come up with it and agree on every little aspect of it, I think it will never get there, and I think that's what has delayed us quite honestly, and so I would much rather rely on the planners, master planners to kind of come up with the overall concept.

564
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:42,560
We adopt that, and then, as each little phase, you know, in terms of the details, how that's worked out, you know, we can work that out.

565
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,420
But, but it should be relied very heavily, you know, with the planners.

566
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,680
If you go back to Jayce's suggested that corner,

567
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,620
I understand the need for parking, don't get me wrong.

568
00:43:57,620 --> 00:44:05,920
I just don't think choking off the overall square with our parking requirements.

569
00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:14,020
I'd rather an even if it cost us more to address with acquiring some property to address

570
00:44:14,020 --> 00:44:15,020
our parking experience.

571
00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:22,500
But if we start climbing all the parking up into here, it takes away, I feel from the plan.

572
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,000
We've got to be also careful where we put the buildings.

573
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,900
I think it's better to put, if we're going to do, you know, a building here versus here.

574
00:44:30,660 --> 00:44:40,080
This is just going to break up the continuity, if you will, the overall square and the openness of the field.

575
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:47,620
But I was suggest that with a tight frame, even if we get the initial six months, right?

576
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,560
That's about nine months, and we don't even have a design.

577
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:59,680
and we expect to finish the working drawings, permits, construction.

578
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:31,080
9 months. No, that's not the suggestion. The idea of the assignment was given was come back with your input and then we would put this in phases and get working. This has been out there for the longest time and I think it's been done and we're going to get it done. We have a opportunity to share the cost with the grant that's been secured through Nancy's efforts. I don't want to miss that. We also don't want to have a big on our face for taking an opportunity and not you.

579
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:43,740
I don't want to miss either, but nine months to complete working drawings, permits, and complete construction and we don't even know what we want.

580
00:45:44,420 --> 00:45:55,060
I work the 11th hour. We can't keep driving this on. I think we need to focus on the children building and an expansion.

581
00:45:55,060 --> 00:45:59,920
And if there's a way to incorporate the money, the other grant that Nancy has gotten

582
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:03,460
for us, without Nancy, we wouldn't be in there.

583
00:46:04,660 --> 00:46:13,760
But I think we need to focus on that, go out, hire someone that is familiar with an ice

584
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,280
drink and a structure and begin there.

585
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,280
We can't focus on part and today that's not part of the grant.

586
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,720
We need to focus on the task at hand, which is creating, and I don't know if we can

587
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:28,760
incorporate an existing building. I don't know if we were to upgrade that building if

588
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,960
some of the cost could be utilized to that to make that building a little more

589
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:38,920
appealing. But I think with a money that we have and the time that we have, that is

590
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:44,180
where I would suggest that we start. And then everything else can fall into place

591
00:46:44,180 --> 00:46:48,960
after that. And I know that might be peace meal. But Kevin, you just admitted we've

592
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:54,480
had this for five years. It's an awful long time and we have eight months left. It's kind

593
00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:02,740
of embarrassing. So I would push back a little bit, maybe Nancy would echo it. Yeah, yeah. But

594
00:47:02,740 --> 00:47:11,460
I think it's an economic grant. And we did make some progress on the signing of a building

595
00:47:11,460 --> 00:47:16,520
that fulfilled all the goals of a grant. Go ahead and speak, Nancy. If I could really quickly,

596
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:22,720
We got 600,000 from one grant, okay? That's for the building. We got 250,000 for the ice

597
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:28,400
gangric. My suggestion is, based on my next experience I have with grants, is to get a contractor

598
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:35,600
for both projects. Save a lot of money. Once we start, we can, the contractor can hire someone for the building.

599
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:43,920
If we get that emotion and the grant committee sees that we're pushing ahead, I know I can go to them in June and say,

600
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,840
you know what, we're 70% done, we're 40% done.

601
00:47:47,220 --> 00:47:48,920
But we're getting here, this is our plan,

602
00:47:48,940 --> 00:47:51,880
this is our way to do it, and we'll have it done by this day.

603
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,080
If we can get that, I think we can save a lot of money

604
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,120
and we can still get that, because that's a lot of money.

605
00:47:57,140 --> 00:47:58,740
That's 850,000.

606
00:47:59,100 --> 00:48:00,820
Why play pay for two mobilizations?

607
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,940
Why pay for two, bring it into one project

608
00:48:05,820 --> 00:48:08,060
and just start and you let's get it going.

609
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,980
And then I can work my magic from June

610
00:48:09,980 --> 00:48:11,120
and try to get it a little more time.

611
00:48:11,220 --> 00:48:12,140
I'll second your motion.

612
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:12,900
Thank you.

613
00:48:15,580 --> 00:48:30,520
So there's, I mean, I think for the economic benefits, we've got a build and aspect of what we talked about for rentals and concessions and just kind of that week management stuff.

614
00:48:31,300 --> 00:48:42,180
And so I think we also, I think, could either, if the Zamboni building became a lot less about all that other stuff,

615
00:48:42,180 --> 00:48:46,500
just about storage, I don't think it would be an additional cost that was that great.

616
00:48:47,060 --> 00:48:53,600
So I think we could probably do both like Nancy says and it's really just a question

617
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,080
of deciding, and if this really comes back to master plan, I think.

618
00:48:58,660 --> 00:49:08,300
But okay, do we do stuff down by the community center to meet the economic guidelines at

619
00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:12,720
grant, along the lines of what we've been saying, but fix the concerns that we've had,

620
00:49:12,780 --> 00:49:17,040
which I tend to do, maybe it gets closer, I don't know. If we could get there, that would be

621
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:23,240
great. Or do we re-evaluate putting it up top? And I agree with what Lisa said. I'm sure there's

622
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:29,160
pros and cons. We could talk through those. I mean, I can tell you the reasons why I didn't

623
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:35,800
go with that, but I just think we can do both, but we do need to buckle down. No doubt about it.

624
00:49:36,940 --> 00:49:44,480
I think I'm sure I don't want to agree with this aspect as long as and I'm not suggesting anyone is not suggesting this.

625
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:50,440
As long as what we're planning is what we would do anyway.

626
00:49:51,140 --> 00:49:57,060
I don't want to create building space that we're just trying to spend letting on projects.

627
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:05,780
I think we can do this if we can make this decision.

628
00:50:05,780 --> 00:50:11,380
of it. Is it, can we make it work down here or not? If we really can't, well, then let's look

629
00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:18,000
it up there. That's my suggestion. Because I think we were close. We were, we had a couple

630
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:24,940
of serious issues with that design, but I think we were close. I mean, overall, I think, you know,

631
00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:32,560
I felt there was a little bit of the mission creep in the design, you know, for that replacement

632
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:39,120
the trailer, you know, for the ice cream pit, that it made it too easy for that to just, you

633
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:45,900
know, expand and expand in terms of its program, really what it was for. If we didn't keep

634
00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:48,320
it focused on what the true needs are overall.

635
00:50:51,180 --> 00:50:54,200
I'm in full support of that, but let's be efficient

636
00:50:54,200 --> 00:51:02,500
and not let it get too out of whack in terms of what I'm hearing you say is based on the

637
00:51:02,500 --> 00:51:08,800
grant we have and the need that we focus on the ice-wink and some sort of building to

638
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:17,480
utilize the $600,000 we'll get that going and then we'll reconvene to determine the rest of the

639
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:23,500
square. Yeah, I can really feel that details can happen later. But we do have to have that

640
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:31,200
Can I ask the question so for me right now we are all in agreement that we want to move forward

641
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:38,100
when I get done we have a time crunch so it can't be done it has to be approved by committee

642
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:50,200
but it can't be done by this big of a committee so is the motion when it is made to have somebody's

643
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:56,200
We're heading in, maybe two people from the council, because then you don't have to

644
00:51:56,780 --> 00:51:57,480
have meetings.

645
00:51:57,940 --> 00:52:04,000
I mean, you know, two people that will spare headed, bring it together, and come with

646
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,880
something that we're ready to move with.

647
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,640
Then the committee can go down because this is where we've lost.

648
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,300
Because we all can't come to meetings without noticing it.

649
00:52:15,420 --> 00:52:19,220
We all can't, you know, so how do we, how do we spearhead that?

650
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,900
I do think I would just say I think we're very close.

651
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:23,500
I do too.

652
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:29,960
And I also think we all agree that hey, we can't all solve every problem.

653
00:52:30,050 --> 00:52:38,410
But we can probably, we can probably agree on what we can agree on, and maybe compromise on some of the other issues and get there.

654
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:39,630
Stig were still close.

655
00:52:40,270 --> 00:52:47,150
I can't from experience, but the way that this is this addressed is, we have a program.

656
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:52,610
What important are the critical, you know, wants and needs?

657
00:52:52,610 --> 00:53:03,630
Now I feel I don't have a little mission-create in terms of the list of this and I said that and you can do that with anything.

658
00:53:04,190 --> 00:53:08,070
You can do that in home-related or commercial use, you name it.

659
00:53:09,210 --> 00:53:12,590
Let's keep it to the basics of what's most important.

660
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:20,170
Okay, we put together a steering committee, so I suggest possibly that we take and put two council members on the steering committee and move forward.

661
00:53:20,170 --> 00:53:24,670
And somebody make a motion to that and we can get to work with input from planning.

662
00:53:25,690 --> 00:53:26,270
All right.

663
00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:30,370
So we also going to hire an outside firm to move this forward.

664
00:53:30,970 --> 00:53:31,490
I think we need to.

665
00:53:31,650 --> 00:53:36,090
It's just different than the steering committee for the town square that met a couple of weeks ago.

666
00:53:36,530 --> 00:53:38,570
It could be the same group.

667
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:39,310
To make a motion.

668
00:53:39,810 --> 00:53:48,170
To make a motion that we form a steering committee and then we seek proposals for an architectural or engineering firm.

669
00:53:48,170 --> 00:53:54,950
that will help in the redesign or improvements of the ice drink and either related to the

670
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:59,810
chiller building or a new building off of this building so we can move this forward.

671
00:54:00,310 --> 00:54:04,170
With then we're adding to the first up the council.

672
00:54:04,310 --> 00:54:10,010
Could I volunteer that Lisa and I could be the two council members? I think of Lisa and I can

673
00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:15,390
agree or pretty close. It doesn't matter who we just need to move.

674
00:54:15,390 --> 00:54:20,550
go ahead and make that puzzle. I'll leave the appointment to the mayor. I don't know.

675
00:54:22,590 --> 00:54:23,830
Okay, so we have a second.

676
00:54:24,930 --> 00:54:25,270
Okay.

677
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:28,840
Are you okay with that, Lisa?

678
00:54:29,660 --> 00:54:29,960
Okay.

679
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,220
JC, go on here. So we'll add you to that committee and we'll move.

680
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:35,600
So we have a motion.

681
00:54:36,460 --> 00:54:36,920
Second.

682
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,020
Second. I'll second. I thought I did it.

683
00:54:39,540 --> 00:54:40,520
Did you? Second.

684
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:42,900
Okay. JC. Thanks for the second.

685
00:54:43,860 --> 00:54:43,900
Aye.

686
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:44,840
Kevin?

687
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:45,580
Aye.

688
00:54:45,580 --> 00:54:45,800
Andrew.

689
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,600
I, Lisa, thank you.

690
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,400
Time is of the essence, so we'll get on this.

691
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,960
All right, thank you.

692
00:54:57,580 --> 00:54:58,100
That was good.

693
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,920
Next item, ordinance 2026-24 of the tribe.

694
00:55:05,180 --> 00:55:08,000
Discussed and possibly adopt ordinance 2026-24,

695
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,760
making the midway city zoning map to reduce the areas included in the transient

696
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,760
overlaid district known as the trot.

697
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:18,060
Final.

698
00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:19,380
Thank you, Mayor.

699
00:55:20,980 --> 00:55:23,760
This is a proposal to do a land use map

700
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,560
amendment or a zoning map amendment.

701
00:55:26,260 --> 00:55:30,320
What we're looking at is reducing the area of the transient rental overlaid district.

702
00:55:31,020 --> 00:55:32,940
This really stems back a couple of years.

703
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,780
We've had several proposals to expand the trot over time.

704
00:55:37,420 --> 00:55:38,800
And so we've had public hearings.

705
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:45,520
the City Council Planning Commission have considered those expansions over time and some of those

706
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,540
expansions of the Trog World Group, somewhere tonight.

707
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,880
And what we ended up is with the General Plan, there was language written into that that we

708
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:59,040
should not expand the Trog, or short-term rental area, and that's what the Trog does is allow

709
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,540
for short-term, and also that's rentals less than 30 days.

710
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:08,260
And as we had a work meeting about three months ago, direction was given from City Council

711
00:56:08,260 --> 00:56:13,980
the staff to take a look at the land use map and make recommendations where we could reduce the

712
00:56:13,980 --> 00:56:19,500
trot and there are positive reasons to have the trot and there's negative reasons to have the

713
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:24,500
trot and we've talked about those in previous meetings we will go over those tonight. The just

714
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:31,040
is kind of an overview. The proposal is to remove several areas out of the trot. What is the

715
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,680
trot that lasts for short term rentals less than 30 days? Well, with this due this would eliminate

716
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:42,280
new amplifications in the areas removed from the trot. What about the existing rentals in these areas?

717
00:56:42,940 --> 00:56:48,400
Would they be grandfathered in this leave alone conforming they would? And in the trot right now

718
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,900
fit the 152 properties that we're looking at taking out of the trot,

719
00:56:53,420 --> 00:57:00,460
there are three licensed transient rental units. One is in the commercial zone on the side of Main Street

720
00:57:00,860 --> 00:57:05,000
and we'll look at maps where these are located and then there's two up and turnberry.

721
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,140
And so, notice that the three could be grandfathered in.

722
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:18,940
Also, we have received three applications for additional use permits, which is required for any transit rental unit application in a residential zone.

723
00:57:19,340 --> 00:57:20,980
And these are all along first south.

724
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,200
And this is an area that was re-zoned in recent years.

725
00:57:23,900 --> 00:57:28,340
And those three property owners, and we'll look at the map, have a flight for the conditional use permit,

726
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,420
which per state law they are vested.

727
00:57:30,620 --> 00:57:32,720
And they can move forward with those conditional use permits.

728
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:38,560
So essentially out of those 152 that we've noticed, there could be six that we'd be grandfathered

729
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,440
in as we go on conforming.

730
00:57:40,580 --> 00:57:42,580
So just a little bit of a background on that.

731
00:57:43,060 --> 00:57:46,660
So there are three licensed units, three more pending applications that both the planning

732
00:57:46,660 --> 00:57:48,500
commission and city council will consider.

733
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:56,120
This is our land use map, and we have areas on the land use map, which is the overlays

734
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:56,880
on for the trot.

735
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,300
It's the blue land and the zoom in on it.

736
00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:03,160
And so the main areas for the trod are around the commercial areas.

737
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,580
You can see a long main street for the C3 and C2 zones and down center street.

738
00:58:09,300 --> 00:58:11,620
We have an island over at Johnson Mill.

739
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:17,040
We have another island area, which is around the Alley, which is the mountain spot, property.

740
00:58:18,340 --> 00:58:22,620
And then the main area is around the two resorts and upline canyon.

741
00:58:22,620 --> 00:58:23,780
So we have the Zermod.

742
00:58:24,220 --> 00:58:27,380
We have the homestead, and then we have Turnberg and Turnberg,

743
00:58:27,380 --> 00:58:34,380
some other properties in this main overlay district. We also have one where the rising

744
00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:39,940
ranch subdivision is. And so that one traditionally has been a nightly rental weeks,

745
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:48,160
the one home that's on site. And then we have one, one more spot. Let's see, I did mention

746
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,700
Johnson now. So those are the spots around town where we do have the transit rental overlay

747
00:58:52,700 --> 00:59:03,060
district. We very consistently receive phone calls of people who want to buy properties in midway and they want to be able to rent their units on a nightly basis.

748
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:10,600
So we do direct them to the map and people have purchased in those areas based off of the current maps. So that's something to consider.

749
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:21,640
As we look at reducing the area of the truck. Now, again, we did send out 152 letters for all the properties that will be looking at tonight, pull out of the truck.

750
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:26,340
And so they've all received notices if that notice has arrived at their address.

751
00:59:26,580 --> 00:59:32,980
We have received a few back, and so we do send them to the address on the tax roll.

752
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,540
So it is possible some property owners never received their notice because of that issue.

753
00:59:39,780 --> 00:59:43,900
As for the areas proposed for removal from the charade, we've got churned very point unit development,

754
00:59:44,060 --> 00:59:49,060
churned very wood's point unit development, midway village PD, rising branch subdivision.

755
00:59:49,060 --> 00:59:54,380
There's some two lots and the mountains follow real preservation subdivision.

756
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:59,880
There's also an area in the commercial zone for 100th South, but actually this area.

757
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:09,820
On First, South, it's in a residential zone, First South between 50 west, 100 west and then an area in the commercial zone located east of Box preserving road in South of Main Street

758
01:00:09,820 --> 01:00:11,820
so we'll talk about each one of these individually.

759
01:00:12,740 --> 01:00:18,820
This first one is Turnberry, in Turnberry Woods, at originally when the truck was adopted back in 2006.

760
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:26,160
Turnberry in Turnberry Woods allowed for nightly rentals and so they were included within the boundaries of the truck.

761
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:34,660
Before that, there wasn't any regulation from nightly rentals, just generally the North East area of town was the recreational resort zone.

762
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,940
That was reduced down to the resort zone at that point in time.

763
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:45,900
But these two subdivisions did allow nightly rentals. They have since changed their CCNRs to where they do not allow nightly rentals.

764
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:53,900
We have two licensed units in this area that would continue as long as they kept their license up and

765
01:00:54,880 --> 01:01:04,160
There wasn't a ownership change and I bring up the ownership change because the CCNRs for in my understanding for turnberry turnberry was as if there's an ownership change

766
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:11,040
Then that does not pass on to the new owner. So taking the units out of the tribe would make it so there wouldn't be any grandfathering at that point

767
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,760
They would they would lose their license through through the HOA basically is what would happen there.

768
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:20,060
With the two that are existing as long as ownership doesn't change, would be grandfathered in.

769
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,980
So just to clarify, Michael, you're saying that the H.O.A.s.

770
01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:28,260
Adonting newer regulations, don't super see.

771
01:01:28,740 --> 01:01:30,880
They do not super see the city.

772
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:36,880
Basically, a property owner is subject to both the city code and to the CCNRs of that development.

773
01:01:37,540 --> 01:01:40,400
But the city would not enforce the CCNRs.

774
01:01:40,420 --> 01:01:44,140
We would just follow our city code if somebody applied it.

775
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:52,000
So I did receive a letter which I included in the packet for a one of the H.O.A. presence

776
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,340
from Turnberry and support of this change.

777
01:01:54,500 --> 01:01:59,720
It would match their CCNRs if the city did pull the subdivision out of the trot.

778
01:02:03,420 --> 01:02:05,800
This area is Midway Village.

779
01:02:06,020 --> 01:02:09,260
It's on both sides of Pline Canyon Road.

780
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,560
And initially again, this subdivision did allow for nightly runals.

781
01:02:13,700 --> 01:02:17,740
They have since changed their CCNRs to where they do not allow those now.

782
01:02:17,740 --> 01:02:27,200
And so, and I did receive a letter from the HOA president at John Kirkham in support of the change, saying get what align with their CCNRs.

783
01:02:27,340 --> 01:02:31,480
Have any received any other comments from this subdivision?

784
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:37,960
This is a property that is the rising ranch subdivision.

785
01:02:38,260 --> 01:02:42,400
We do have one home on one of the lots in this development.

786
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:47,380
And in that home has been used as a nightly rental for quite some time.

787
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,640
The home step before the truck was even adopted, rented out the one home on site.

788
01:02:52,700 --> 01:02:54,660
That home is not licensed with us right now.

789
01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:59,080
We do have an application that was submitted to the city, but all the requirements have not been met.

790
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:00,580
So we have not issued that license.

791
01:03:02,220 --> 01:03:07,220
We did receive two letters from property owners within this development.

792
01:03:07,220 --> 01:03:10,960
And those were sent to the City Council.

793
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,160
I think you received one of those if not both of those.

794
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:15,940
Those were sent on toward legal deployment,

795
01:03:16,340 --> 01:03:18,760
because of the management litigation.

796
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,240
So Corbin has had a chance to take a look at those letters.

797
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,920
The one thing about raising ranch subdivision

798
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,540
is after that subdivision was approved.

799
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,040
They applied for a blanket conditional use permit

800
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:33,960
for nightly rentals for all of the properties

801
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:34,980
within this development.

802
01:03:34,980 --> 01:03:41,060
And so if you have the ability to move forward with an application for a night with reddle

803
01:03:41,060 --> 01:03:44,420
because that conditional use permit runs with the land.

804
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:51,280
So removing them out of the truck would not eliminate them from applying for a transient rental unit license.

805
01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:56,200
Again, we have received legal response.

806
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,720
Corbin, do you have any comments on that at this point?

807
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,760
I think your analysis is correct on that.

808
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,500
The initial use permit, I think,

809
01:04:05,940 --> 01:04:09,840
does allow them to move quotes when, if you remove them.

810
01:04:09,980 --> 01:04:12,900
I think that they're invested under that agreement.

811
01:04:13,420 --> 01:04:16,600
And so, you can deal with it either way.

812
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:18,780
We're bound by the initial use permit,

813
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:23,140
or you can just simply not include them in every movement.

814
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,320
My little thing, that their business license

815
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:36,220
laps if it has it ever been an approved. So they received the conditional use

816
01:04:36,220 --> 01:04:39,940
permit for the second step and that is applying for the transient rental and unit

817
01:04:39,940 --> 01:04:46,040
license. They did apply that they that has never been issued because we had not

818
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,800
all the requirements have been met. So there actually hasn't been a transient

819
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:54,220
rental unit license for this property that's been active a couple years.

820
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,120
Yeah it's been

821
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,700
just to, and maybe you accordingly just clarify,

822
01:05:08,500 --> 01:05:11,460
and an example, not by this one where

823
01:05:11,460 --> 01:05:15,460
it was approved under the conditioning use permit, right?

824
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,500
Or it's not, or it doesn't

825
01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:31,080
have that, is there a sunset in terms of an existing license ever terminating? So that would

826
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,020
all under basically non-conforming use.

827
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,480
And if that license ever lapses for a year,

828
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:39,580
then they lose that right.

829
01:05:39,900 --> 01:05:41,160
So they just don't want to do it.

830
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,760
So eventually those units, if they were pulled out

831
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,680
of the trot, and they went to year without using that right,

832
01:05:47,820 --> 01:05:49,000
then they would lose it.

833
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:54,900
Okay, so the next one we've looked at

834
01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:57,820
is this is around the mountain spot property.

835
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,540
So we have Omiole, which is in the center,

836
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:01,940
this is the resort area.

837
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,080
And then we have these two rectangles,

838
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:08,860
one on the east, one on the west, and there's really only one home in this area in Holly

839
01:06:08,860 --> 01:06:13,640
Bob Lee, and her husband is here today, and they did send in a letter, and I include that in

840
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:19,760
the packet. And then also we have Joel Clark, which is this lot is almost six acre in size.

841
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:25,720
So those are the only two properties in this area that's in the trot, initially the resort

842
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:29,840
to some covered both of these properties. But as we went through the process of the conservation

843
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:34,280
needs when unsighted. We re-reasoned part of the property to residential, but the

844
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:39,940
trot boundary did not move. So we did look at areas around town where it seemed like it

845
01:06:39,940 --> 01:06:44,760
might be reasonable to reduce the trot. And this would reduce these to the unit. It's

846
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:49,240
both property owners have reached out to us. They would like to stay in the trot. So again,

847
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:55,060
the bodily letter was sent to you. I received a communication with Joe Clark today also

848
01:06:55,060 --> 01:06:59,820
wanting to stay in the trot. Again, these are just two properties that make sense if they

849
01:06:59,820 --> 01:07:04,720
they have an issue with being removed that we would leave them just in the

850
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,380
trot and so that would be stashed recommendations. It's not changed to

851
01:07:08,380 --> 01:07:09,400
boundary here.

852
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:18,200
As for the C, this is the C2 zone. You can see Fox 10

853
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:22,620
run over here on the left and they're main street as it curves to the south. Just

854
01:07:22,620 --> 01:07:27,960
know that the Hamlet. We have had uplook hearings in this area and some of the

855
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,980
neighbors have been very active on company.

856
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:42,300
To the public hearings and expressing concerns with having nightly rentals in this area, because it is a established residential neighborhood where I think about every home is a primary residence.

857
01:07:42,860 --> 01:07:53,000
We do have one licensed unit in this area that would be grandfathered in, but we did some letters out and we just received letters and support of removing this area out of the trot.

858
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:58,460
So what remain is C2 zone, but it would be out of the transient

859
01:07:58,460 --> 01:08:01,300
runoverly district if approved as presented.

860
01:08:03,380 --> 01:08:07,160
And then one last area, this is a long first south in between

861
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:08,540
center street and first west.

862
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:09,560
We had three properties.

863
01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:11,520
One of them is partially in the tribe.

864
01:08:11,540 --> 01:08:12,700
This is the HECO property.

865
01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:15,020
And then we have the Nelson with Go property.

866
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,020
That was re-zoned to be in the tribe.

867
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,380
The Folzos to remove them out of the tribe.

868
01:08:21,380 --> 01:08:23,920
but all three have applications for additional use permits.

869
01:08:23,980 --> 01:08:26,260
So we did remove them out of the trot.

870
01:08:26,660 --> 01:08:29,100
They have vested rights with their conditional use permit.

871
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:30,980
They would be able to move forward,

872
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:32,980
but if for whatever reason they did receive

873
01:08:32,980 --> 01:08:36,820
the conditional use permit, and they did not act on that,

874
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,280
whether they didn't act on their transient

875
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,740
or the license, then that would lapse.

876
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:42,700
And they wouldn't have the ability to reapply

877
01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:43,840
if they were moved out of the trot.

878
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:49,220
So that is the last area that for your consideration tonight,

879
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:51,360
we did send out two rents.

880
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:55,440
of letters. Whenever you have a land use map, a man mentor is owning a

881
01:08:55,440 --> 01:08:58,900
amendment. There's a public hearing required for the Planning Commission and the

882
01:08:58,900 --> 01:09:02,900
City Council. So we had a public hearing before the Planning Commission. The Planning

883
01:09:02,900 --> 01:09:09,940
Commission to Recommendation was to move forward as recommended. But we have received quite

884
01:09:09,940 --> 01:09:14,880
a bit of correspondence since that meeting. And so, again, that's part of your packet.

885
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:19,900
Again, two areas that we would recommend that probably stay within the

886
01:09:19,900 --> 01:09:27,940
and one is this area around OMELE, it's just two properties, and then this area for the rising

887
01:09:27,940 --> 01:09:34,560
range subdivision, we've had some legal issues to look at with this one, and so that would,

888
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:39,800
because they have that prulink, it conditionally is prulink, it makes sense to leave them, and also right now.

889
01:09:40,660 --> 01:09:43,260
Any questions? Well, let me be before we go quick here.

890
01:09:46,810 --> 01:09:49,670
So some of the benefits of short term is just for your consideration.

891
01:09:49,670 --> 01:09:55,230
to provide you revenue for property owners, it generates transient room tax and resort taxes for

892
01:09:55,230 --> 01:10:00,070
the city. So we're able to qualify because of the amount of rental rooms in entown for the extra

893
01:10:00,070 --> 01:10:06,030
1% sales tax. And so the truck does help us meet that and we did receive a letter which I included

894
01:10:06,030 --> 01:10:15,070
in your packet saying very strongly that reducing our area for a truck could jeopardize us being

895
01:10:15,070 --> 01:10:18,690
able to get the resort tax, which, again, is about six of our budget.

896
01:10:19,230 --> 01:10:21,850
So there's a concern for that to consider.

897
01:10:22,430 --> 01:10:25,530
It does support local economy by tracking tourist spending.

898
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:29,330
Some of the drop-backs for short-term rentals, it creates commercial competition for local

899
01:10:29,330 --> 01:10:29,750
resorts.

900
01:10:29,770 --> 01:10:34,690
We have quite a few more hotel rooms and other products in the resort zones that's under construction

901
01:10:34,690 --> 01:10:40,990
right now, both in Amihale, also at the homestead, and even in the commercial zone, for

902
01:10:40,990 --> 01:10:44,150
since at South Yale, so those are new rooms

903
01:10:44,150 --> 01:10:47,210
that will be added to the calculation for the resort tax.

904
01:10:48,190 --> 01:10:51,110
Again, having a larger trot area creates competition.

905
01:10:52,050 --> 01:10:54,970
It also introduces neighborhood disruptions.

906
01:10:55,070 --> 01:10:56,270
And this is probably the biggest thing

907
01:10:56,270 --> 01:11:00,170
is receive complaints if properties are not following the rules.

908
01:11:00,290 --> 01:11:02,030
And we do have a mechanism for enforcement

909
01:11:02,030 --> 01:11:04,790
but sometimes it's easier said than done.

910
01:11:06,150 --> 01:11:08,130
And then reduces long-term housing supply

911
01:11:08,130 --> 01:11:11,710
for permanent residents in the town.

912
01:11:12,230 --> 01:11:14,830
So this is something that we've talked about quite a bit.

913
01:11:15,470 --> 01:11:17,890
The more homes in the nightly rental pool,

914
01:11:18,050 --> 01:11:21,150
the less option there is for permanent residents in town.

915
01:11:21,250 --> 01:11:23,110
And that's a big factor for why many cities

916
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:25,930
have eliminated nightly rentals.

917
01:11:26,170 --> 01:11:28,270
And then it can't be real the city sense of community.

918
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:30,470
So you guys might like the general plan.

919
01:11:30,830 --> 01:11:32,430
Doesn't promote expansion of the truck.

920
01:11:32,930 --> 01:11:34,930
But this is a step in the opposite direction of reducing.

921
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:47,070
Michael, just to clarify here, a home that's in the tribe currently is only allowed to rent

922
01:11:47,070 --> 01:11:50,260
it out as a short-term rental for the entire home.

923
01:11:50,710 --> 01:11:58,630
You cannot create two units out of their home and rent out one and live in the other.

924
01:11:59,250 --> 01:12:00,210
That is correct.

925
01:12:00,710 --> 01:12:04,930
So it's basically, the shortcoming has to be for the entire home.

926
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:10,610
Yeah, that is correct, and that's a clarification we made with the code with the recent adoption

927
01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:13,610
of the new code probably within the last six months.

928
01:12:14,570 --> 01:12:19,170
Really, your home isn't built as an apartment, you know, the parking is based off of just a

929
01:12:19,170 --> 01:12:23,530
single family, home, one family unit, and so that's why we want to make that clarification

930
01:12:23,530 --> 01:12:24,830
about six months ago.

931
01:12:24,830 --> 01:12:31,430
And are all the existing licensed, you know, for a few existing licensed as a day, and compliance with that?

932
01:12:31,870 --> 01:12:36,170
They are the entire structure, and that is correct, yeah.

933
01:12:40,460 --> 01:12:42,340
I talked about the general plan and won't read that.

934
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:48,220
We do have possible findings in support of the change and that possible findings against the change,

935
01:12:48,380 --> 01:12:52,120
so that's included in your staff report, so we'll not read those.

936
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:57,820
Again, we did send out letters for public hearing, as though at the mayor's wish we could do

937
01:12:57,820 --> 01:13:02,160
that. Any questions from staff before we open up the hearing?

938
01:13:04,730 --> 01:13:05,610
All right, this has been

939
01:13:05,610 --> 01:13:11,650
noticed for a public hearing if you have a desire to come to the podium, take a name

940
01:13:11,650 --> 01:13:12,370
and address.

941
01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:22,450
Chair Becker, still 1064-Termary Court. We, in Thursday, support the rejection of the

942
01:13:22,450 --> 01:13:30,310
the states, grandfather, and carbonate won't give us any short-term relief, but I would

943
01:13:30,310 --> 01:13:36,270
like to propose an addition to this amendment that might be enforceable means of getting

944
01:13:36,270 --> 01:13:37,570
us short-term relief.

945
01:13:38,650 --> 01:13:45,970
So just this with the occupational homeowners where we've limited parking space to the capacity

946
01:13:45,970 --> 01:13:50,010
of the garage and two visible vehicles outside it.

947
01:13:50,010 --> 01:13:54,550
I'd like to have that exact same parking limitation for short-trow rentals.

948
01:13:55,250 --> 01:14:02,350
We get 810 and 12 cars out of house, and I'm sandwiched between the two that are intermediary.

949
01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:07,510
So we don't have to left, but I'm sandwiched between the two, so it's very inconvenient to us.

950
01:14:08,510 --> 01:14:17,270
So if we could put an ordinance in there that requires part of the limited to the garage space and the more the two visible vehicles outside,

951
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:22,430
which is then enforced by a three violation and you lose your permit.

952
01:14:22,970 --> 01:14:25,110
I think that would help us greatly.

953
01:14:26,050 --> 01:14:31,010
And we would be happy with being members of the HOA to document violations

954
01:14:31,010 --> 01:14:33,450
and submit them to whoever we need to.

955
01:14:34,010 --> 01:14:37,750
But I think that would go a long way in giving us some relief on the inconvenience

956
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:39,730
we feel around the short prevails.

957
01:14:40,570 --> 01:14:41,230
Thank you, Jim.

958
01:14:45,100 --> 01:14:47,100
So I can respond to that for just a second.

959
01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:56,100
So item number nine on your agenda, we're looking at specific language for parking of vehicles and transient rentals.

960
01:14:57,780 --> 01:14:59,980
We want to clarify that language because it could be.

961
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,980
Mr. Turford it, so that's why this is on the agenda. And so, with that clarification, that'll help us just to make sure we're on the same page. There's only two vehicles that are present outside the transient rowing unit. Also, we did adoptings of the transient unit, rental unit code not too long ago that basically a two-strike policy, if they violate the code twice, and we're going to both the license and then there is a wait period of a year before they can reapply. And so, we're striking up the ordinance to make sure we

962
01:15:29,980 --> 01:15:35,560
can enforce it better. Thank you, Michael. Any other comments?

963
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:50,920
Galzell. My name is Chris Blut. I am an multiple properties in the C2 area and one specific

964
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:57,960
property in the C2 area located B.S. at Box 10 in South of May. That is a perconcerration

965
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:04,560
for trial removal tonight. Just for simplicity I'll continue to refer to this as the subject

966
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:11,580
YouTube. I read my comments. I'm quick background. I'm a local entrepreneur. As of two years ago

967
01:16:11,580 --> 01:16:19,360
I decided to leave corporate america move to the Hebrew valley and start a small local hospitality business.

968
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:24,640
Mike wouldn't let multiple times expressing all my different ideas and intentions for this town.

969
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:31,060
She's like as I do love midway, not because this was the more financially stable left decision for me to make.

970
01:16:31,060 --> 01:16:54,480
I'm here tonight because I strongly believe in the tribe, I strongly believe in 98% of the proposal as it's written tonight and I'm here to discourage the inclusion of 2% which is the soul and only impacted commercial zone impacted by this proposal.

971
01:16:54,480 --> 01:17:06,060
So, I will propose four questions for Council's consideration and to make one recommendation as to how we could potentially clean this up.

972
01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:16,820
First question for Council's consideration is to reconsider why was this specific C2 area included as that?

973
01:17:16,820 --> 01:17:24,540
as eloquently presented to us the entire premise of this proposal has been to focus on

974
01:17:24,540 --> 01:17:30,000
residentialized zone areas that were later added to the truck after it's finding.

975
01:17:30,860 --> 01:17:35,780
And I think we're here because the general plan says the truck should not be expanded and for

976
01:17:35,780 --> 01:17:41,940
all of the one of these properties we're looking at cases where the truck was expanded into residential zones.

977
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:48,300
This may, I believe, have been the work of meeting on May 19 through referred to these instances

978
01:17:48,300 --> 01:17:55,700
as the creep in the trot map, where the boundary line seemed to have left logic and spilled

979
01:17:55,700 --> 01:17:57,360
into residential areas.

980
01:17:59,260 --> 01:18:03,900
I'm here to question whether or not there is any precedent for whether or not there's an

981
01:18:03,900 --> 01:18:10,120
instance where any area of the commercial zone was removed from the trot, and I do believe

982
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:17,600
including this commercial area, we'll introduce the first ever precedent for a new type of

983
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:22,000
creep that we will see multiple times in the future on the truck map.

984
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,140
Question 2 for a council

985
01:18:26,140 --> 01:18:36,080
is consideration that I have here is, probably in the work meeting on the 19th, the truck conversation

986
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:41,220
was preceded by discussion around C2 and C3 commercials and amendments.

987
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:47,120
Mr. Mayor, in that meeting as well, you gave the $40,000 foot, or $30,000 foot guidance,

988
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:55,660
that C2 should encourage keeping existing homes. It should prevent commercial demolition and

989
01:18:55,660 --> 01:19:02,540
building to maximize square footage, and it should protect green space as relates to the subject

990
01:19:02,540 --> 01:19:08,920
C2 property. I also agree with a common you may that you see the area near Southfield being a very

991
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:14,280
interesting place for people to want to visit in midway. So I stand before you today as a

992
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:22,480
commercial investor in the C2 zone, the subject C2 zone on the board here. I stand before you as a commercial

993
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:27,780
operator that has tried to follow all the rules. I believe city council record will reflect that

994
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:34,260
and the biggest land costs or development costs that I have incurred since that purchase

995
01:19:34,260 --> 01:19:40,940
is property has been removing a structure and adding green space. All our key goals that

996
01:19:40,940 --> 01:19:45,120
we have established as a council for the C2 commercials down.

997
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:52,810
I'm actually going to, but then the questions are realized. It's duplicative so the last

998
01:19:52,810 --> 01:19:58,790
question I have for council's consideration is, why does it seem that council has labeled

999
01:19:58,790 --> 01:20:07,790
me as to call Eulisa a problem child for the area and the only evidence that I could find

1000
01:20:07,790 --> 01:20:13,870
in my many many hours of digging had been the inclusion of the one email and the report

1001
01:20:13,870 --> 01:20:21,530
here submitted by my neighbor who has, like the comments prepared tonight, but I imagine they

1002
01:20:21,530 --> 01:20:27,030
were going to be in one, there was no notification to her. I do remind you, I'm going to see

1003
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:27,830
to his own.

1004
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:29,030
It's a permitted use.

1005
01:20:29,550 --> 01:20:31,550
There's new requirement for public notice.

1006
01:20:32,430 --> 01:20:34,270
Second of which, since we bought the property,

1007
01:20:34,390 --> 01:20:36,110
we made it pretty clear to our neighborhood

1008
01:20:36,110 --> 01:20:38,110
that we were thinking about

1009
01:20:38,110 --> 01:20:39,830
and intending on doing short-term rental

1010
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:42,810
and after eight to 10 months of renovations,

1011
01:20:43,370 --> 01:20:45,650
we finally got to the point where we were able to do that.

1012
01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:48,350
So she has been aware.

1013
01:20:48,610 --> 01:20:49,810
Ever since she has been aware,

1014
01:20:50,210 --> 01:20:51,510
she has made it clear to us

1015
01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:52,790
that she will come to you guys

1016
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:55,410
to do everything she can to get us

1017
01:20:55,410 --> 01:20:57,630
to stop short-term renting our property.

1018
01:20:58,530 --> 01:21:01,030
And so I'd like to present the letter in the proposal

1019
01:21:01,030 --> 01:21:04,730
as not just a concern neighbor, but a neighbor with a vendetta.

1020
01:21:06,810 --> 01:21:10,610
I would also like to address other points in that letter.

1021
01:21:10,770 --> 01:21:12,950
She accused me of lying to my neighbors.

1022
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:14,450
That's fundamentally not true.

1023
01:21:14,590 --> 01:21:17,250
I can review neighbors that would testify in that.

1024
01:21:17,290 --> 01:21:19,730
I can show you evidence that would prove otherwise.

1025
01:21:20,930 --> 01:21:24,850
She makes reports of trafficking and parking.

1026
01:21:25,690 --> 01:21:28,850
Yes, we did have one since we had way too much parking on our property.

1027
01:21:28,990 --> 01:21:34,470
This was our second or third reservation back in September of 2025.

1028
01:21:35,730 --> 01:21:37,790
I immediately got an email from Katie.

1029
01:21:38,350 --> 01:21:40,550
She read me the right act in her office.

1030
01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:43,830
And she very timely went through my listing and proposed language,

1031
01:21:44,250 --> 01:21:46,130
and it's to prevent these issues from happening.

1032
01:21:46,670 --> 01:21:47,770
We made those changes.

1033
01:21:47,770 --> 01:21:57,190
We have not, to my knowledge, have had any reported instances of having a problem in what's near a year and many reservations since.

1034
01:21:57,970 --> 01:22:01,670
So I would like to suggest that it's not a case of a problem-child.

1035
01:22:02,070 --> 01:22:07,790
It is the case of the City Council's zoning and enforcement codes actually working.

1036
01:22:11,070 --> 01:22:20,030
She also states in her email that there are 13 households in our street or on our 700D street.

1037
01:22:20,350 --> 01:22:25,210
I agree with that, and yet I can only find testimony from one household.

1038
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:29,970
I would also like to introduce to the record that I have many.

1039
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:35,820
Usholds that have reached out and supported me. I have many households preaching out saying, I'm being

1040
01:22:36,500 --> 01:22:47,880
rungly accused and doing bad things. I've had one household, the same number of households that have reported issues, even rent the property from being for their family so they can have a familiar union on our street.

1041
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:59,320
All this to say, I still support today's amendment. I do think we should remove areas from the tribe that were incredibly added from its institution that is clean up work that should be required.

1042
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:15,120
And I do have one mission, if Council is so compelled to include this area in the proposal that we'd actually clean this up to make it aligned with the findings and not reduce the tribe of the region in this area to R-11.

1043
01:23:15,780 --> 01:23:24,600
So it is truly a residential zone, and it supports the findings that by removing it from the tribe, it actually returns long-term housing supply to the market.

1044
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:31,600
Because otherwise by reducing the tribe, purely you have not added additional long-term housing supply to the market.

1045
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:35,720
And that's all I have for you guys.

1046
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:44,020
Can I ask where that quote came from? Because we're meeting May 19th. Well, this was brought up on the board.

1047
01:23:44,540 --> 01:23:45,360
I can send you the order.

1048
01:23:45,360 --> 01:24:00,480
that I'm shocked because I really feel like I'm probably the only one up here who doesn't think that the C2 should, I think it should stay.

1049
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:07,300
So when you said that, I'm kind of shocked and I'll remember seeing that her nowhere came from, but that's okay.

1050
01:24:07,300 --> 01:24:19,040
Yeah, that's why I'm happy to send the audio and also, in that audio, you're with the only person to say it makes sense to include this in the web May 19 award meeting.

1051
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,360
To take the drug out.

1052
01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:24,160
No, to you actually were against producing the drug to start with you.

1053
01:24:24,420 --> 01:24:29,360
But when this came up on screen, you said this one makes sense to you because of the problem child.

1054
01:24:29,780 --> 01:24:34,280
Michael tried to correct you by saying, actually, I think you referred to the other house on the street.

1055
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,660
It was a legalistic, and you said, no, I don't think that's the one.

1056
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:39,880
Yeah.

1057
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,700
We did have a property at the very end of the Colesac.

1058
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:43,300
It was illegal.

1059
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:44,480
We rent it.

1060
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:45,600
And so we sent it out.

1061
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:46,640
I don't know about that.

1062
01:24:46,900 --> 01:24:48,220
Out of the C2.

1063
01:24:48,740 --> 01:24:54,240
But I felt like the C2 is the C2 not trucking back.

1064
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:55,360
So I agree.

1065
01:24:55,980 --> 01:24:57,620
I think you probably understand this.

1066
01:24:58,200 --> 01:24:59,580
But you are licensed with the city.

1067
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:03,120
If you were to go down the truck, you'd be able to continue as a regular rental.

1068
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,840
I agree with that and that's not my concern.

1069
01:25:06,100 --> 01:25:09,300
My concern is I actually have full intention of purchasing more properties from the

1070
01:25:09,300 --> 01:25:09,620
tribe.

1071
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,220
So I'm worried that we're setting this example of that.

1072
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:17,480
Any neighbor to the C2 zone can now take and copy and paste the CML templates and

1073
01:25:17,480 --> 01:25:20,280
it to you guys and we're back up here again.

1074
01:25:21,100 --> 01:25:21,880
Thank you.

1075
01:25:23,220 --> 01:25:23,720
Thank you.

1076
01:25:27,260 --> 01:25:27,960
Any others?

1077
01:25:28,540 --> 01:25:29,260
Any other?

1078
01:25:29,260 --> 01:25:31,480
I'm not just just there.

1079
01:25:31,780 --> 01:25:32,480
No, I could.

1080
01:25:34,620 --> 01:25:38,300
Holly Bodley, 688 North, 200 East.

1081
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,180
So, we are one of the two properties that we're in being,

1082
01:25:42,180 --> 01:25:43,520
we put it up already.

1083
01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:46,480
That we're part of the amount of space subdivision,

1084
01:25:47,460 --> 01:25:51,000
and thanks for the consideration that you've already discussed.

1085
01:25:51,780 --> 01:25:53,220
When we did purchase them,

1086
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,700
and thank you for all of the work you guys are doing on this.

1087
01:25:56,100 --> 01:25:57,020
It's a lot.

1088
01:25:57,700 --> 01:26:04,100
But when we did purchase our property, we were part of the resource zone, and that was

1089
01:26:04,100 --> 01:26:07,680
shrunk to the residential, which we are completely fine with.

1090
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:14,520
We gave up the ability to subdivide because it's conservation, we are fine with that.

1091
01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:21,740
But having that ability, and we honestly have no intention of renting our home overnight,

1092
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:26,160
for

1093
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:32,240
ability, and then to have just a couple of lots of singles out when it was originally part

1094
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:38,220
of that, it just seemed to make a lot of sense. And you know, it takes away some of the perceived

1095
01:26:38,220 --> 01:26:45,880
value. So we would ask respectfully that you do and continue to include the two lots. You mentioned

1096
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:52,080
Joel contacted you. He also contacted us and asked us to express that just in case you didn't get

1097
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:58,060
his letter in time, but yeah, we would both like to just continue to keep the designation

1098
01:26:58,060 --> 01:27:06,300
as is because currently we both are basically our next coordinators are overnight rentals

1099
01:27:06,300 --> 01:27:12,440
and we're dealing with the same issues probably that everybody else brings up, so we kind

1100
01:27:12,440 --> 01:27:19,420
of don't want to have that just stripped away from our ability to have that opportunity should

1101
01:27:19,420 --> 01:27:25,620
whatever we need at Bowie. We appreciate all that you're doing and we just like to kind of keep

1102
01:27:25,620 --> 01:27:31,640
a consistent and very across the board in that area. Thank you. Thank you, Holly.

1103
01:27:38,470 --> 01:27:39,470
Hi, my name is

1104
01:27:39,470 --> 01:27:45,690
Jody and Agnes. I live at 35 Stiles 700 East. I am the neighbor with the Vendetta apparently.

1105
01:27:47,370 --> 01:27:53,290
I have spoken a few times in front of City Council. I strongly, strongly support reducing the

1106
01:27:54,050 --> 01:28:03,810
We bought our property seven years ago. We raised children. We have kids. We work very, very hard to live on this road and afford living in midway.

1107
01:28:04,190 --> 01:28:08,630
I had experience as a property manager. I've done it for Vermont. I've done it for Dear Valley.

1108
01:28:09,190 --> 01:28:15,050
I know what it means when you're out of a tell. There's security there. There's staff there to support a property.

1109
01:28:15,050 --> 01:28:19,370
These night we ran also don't have that, and the neighbors are stuck dealing with it.

1110
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:24,930
I'm loose dogs, to dogs barking, Chris is a property of loud dogs, so they'll just

1111
01:28:24,930 --> 01:28:31,050
read dogs in the yard all day, they bark all day, I've been in my yard, dogs are running through

1112
01:28:31,050 --> 01:28:36,950
my yard, I mean right now there's 45 cars in front of the house, there was the one time that

1113
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:41,650
there was 15, I contacted the owners directly and said, what can you do? There was nothing

1114
01:28:41,650 --> 01:28:46,890
could do about it. There's 15 cards parked on our street. There's 13 houses on our street.

1115
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:55,070
You know, we're in most of the homes have kids. This property that will be grandfathered in,

1116
01:28:55,070 --> 01:29:00,730
it's going to happen either way. I understand that, but you know, that I can tell you that

1117
01:29:00,730 --> 01:29:05,110
half the neighbors surrounding it are very much against it. We've expressed that to the homeowner,

1118
01:29:05,250 --> 01:29:09,470
so that's how you know, that's why I guess I haven't been dead of. But I'm just speaking,

1119
01:29:09,470 --> 01:29:13,630
And I personally think it reduces the value of my house, but that's the other hero there.

1120
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:22,010
I find it extremely disruptive, it adds traffic to our street significantly, back and forth and back and forth.

1121
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:32,410
And I really strongly believe in all the points that were made about, you know, you have people buying and investing in these homes.

1122
01:29:32,850 --> 01:29:37,670
And I have friends that want to own here, they want to live here and they cannot afford it.

1123
01:29:37,670 --> 01:29:41,330
and these houses are sitting empty on our street of 13 houses.

1124
01:29:41,950 --> 01:29:47,010
You know, they're second homeowners, but they're not there, there was a legal Airbnb's now,

1125
01:29:47,070 --> 01:29:53,270
so people are emboldened to do a legal Airbnb's. We're not getting the tax revenue on that.

1126
01:29:53,310 --> 01:29:59,450
I mean, I just can go on and on on my feelings for it, but at the end of the day, we're raising children on this street

1127
01:29:59,450 --> 01:29:59,970
and there are a lot of...

1128
01:30:01,620 --> 01:30:25,380
I think that's important. I think that the sense of community, the reason why we moved here to bid way, is because it's a small town. It's a community. We have a group text. The reason why the person knows I'm against it is because I've been very, very vocal about it. I'm not mean, I'm not rude. I just say, I don't support this. We've invested a lot of money into our house. We've made it really nice.

1129
01:30:25,380 --> 01:30:34,540
And it's something that I take pride in, and I think this town is great, and I want to make sure that there is still a sense of community here.

1130
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:40,780
I've actually been able to enjoy the yoga this year. It's been great, and that's part of what I'm in ways about.

1131
01:30:41,300 --> 01:30:42,980
So that's my thoughts. Thank you.

1132
01:30:42,980 --> 01:30:44,160
Thank you, Julie.

1133
01:30:55,640 --> 01:31:03,920
Kevin Rums. I'm actually a chair representing the rising ranch that 4443 home

1134
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:10,860
set drive. So, thank you so much for listening to the received of phone calls and the emails

1135
01:31:10,860 --> 01:31:18,000
and the letters and everything. Thank you for making comments on that. So, just want to make

1136
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:23,640
brief statement as to what my client's position is right now.

1137
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:29,540
A no-comment has been filed against rising ranch and unlike the other communities being removed

1138
01:31:29,540 --> 01:31:33,800
from the tribe, rising ranch has developed and was developed under the tribe.

1139
01:31:34,060 --> 01:31:40,780
Rising Ranch has a recorded property rights to have a short-term rental and the moving

1140
01:31:40,780 --> 01:31:45,660
rising ranch from the tribe would be a violation of those properties, the development agreements

1141
01:31:45,660 --> 01:31:52,380
and possibly its headings and would cause at least $9 million in invested damage.

1142
01:31:53,300 --> 01:31:59,940
That being said, we're just asking that the city expressly ran for the rising ranch,

1143
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:05,140
and specifically as a hanky or hanky hanky hanky.

1144
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:08,000
That as you recommended, so thank you so much.

1145
01:32:08,580 --> 01:32:11,600
And as expressed in the letter, litigation is worth the options,

1146
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:15,400
but we appreciate your consideration on that recommendation.

1147
01:32:16,540 --> 01:32:16,780
Thank you.

1148
01:32:30,500 --> 01:32:31,040
Hi everyone.

1149
01:32:31,180 --> 01:32:34,620
Katie Mulani, 1290, Pine Canyon Road in midway.

1150
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:41,300
The only one I would really want to speak to was rising ranch and I don't profess

1151
01:32:41,300 --> 01:32:43,000
to know any of the things that are going on.

1152
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,440
I don't need to speak to things that I don't know about.

1153
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:51,180
But I do know from living in the area that there are complaints about rising ranch

1154
01:32:51,180 --> 01:32:54,320
And I also do know that it's not licensed.

1155
01:32:55,780 --> 01:32:57,880
And I'm understanding from what was said earlier

1156
01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:59,840
that if you take it out of the trot,

1157
01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:02,180
it will still have its conditional use lessons.

1158
01:33:03,580 --> 01:33:09,080
So in that respect, rising ranch where it is now,

1159
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,860
looks like it's an artifact of what used to be the homestead,

1160
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,000
which maybe arguably could be a resort,

1161
01:33:14,100 --> 01:33:15,840
but it hasn't been there for a long time.

1162
01:33:16,300 --> 01:33:18,660
So now it's this island in a residential area.

1163
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:23,400
And it's not being,

1164
01:33:26,730 --> 01:33:31,750
from living right down the street, you hear the music, you hear the weddings,

1165
01:33:32,270 --> 01:33:35,130
you see the traffic, you see what goes on.

1166
01:33:35,830 --> 01:33:37,970
It hasn't been licensed in a long time.

1167
01:33:38,290 --> 01:33:42,510
So council and pain is for your question about, do we have rules that the whole house has

1168
01:33:42,510 --> 01:33:47,660
to be used for short parental, you can't live in part of it, that's true, but if you're not

1169
01:33:47,660 --> 01:33:54,740
instance, you're not doing it legally anyway, so I don't know. So this is one in which

1170
01:33:57,150 --> 01:34:01,870
why not out of consistency with what you're doing elsewhere, remove it from the trod.

1171
01:34:02,870 --> 01:34:06,990
If they still have their conditional use license, then the question becomes, and I don't know,

1172
01:34:07,050 --> 01:34:10,270
I have not looked into this area, but as I'm sitting here listening to this,

1173
01:34:10,530 --> 01:34:15,050
but then it becomes, you know, if on the future you want to revisit the conditional use license

1174
01:34:15,050 --> 01:34:19,310
because of the behavior and whether it's not the conditions, maybe we'd rest that then.

1175
01:34:21,070 --> 01:34:27,150
But I don't, it doesn't really follow logically to treat this one different from others.

1176
01:34:27,930 --> 01:34:34,070
When I think this one has had some of the worst behavior. Thank you.

1177
01:34:35,110 --> 01:34:35,670
Thank you, Katie.

1178
01:34:48,790 --> 01:34:55,530
The council, thank you for your time. My name's Knappomer. I am at 261 West Pernsfield Road.

1179
01:34:55,530 --> 01:35:04,670
So I'm in the midway village PD and I just here tonight to let you know that I support this.

1180
01:35:05,230 --> 01:35:11,490
Again, I feel like our little subdivision is kind of an island in a residential area.

1181
01:35:12,310 --> 01:35:21,150
And I know many of my neighbors support this and we would ask that you would consider taking our subdivision out of the shop.

1182
01:35:21,390 --> 01:35:22,610
Thank you.

1183
01:35:23,250 --> 01:35:24,050
Thank you.

1184
01:35:31,810 --> 01:35:32,690
Another council.

1185
01:35:32,930 --> 01:35:34,310
Thank you for allowing me to speak.

1186
01:35:34,670 --> 01:35:36,230
My name is Jackson Heron.

1187
01:35:37,210 --> 01:35:40,990
I have finished short-term renter at 30 stops at 700 years.

1188
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:42,410
My friend and Chris is property.

1189
01:35:43,790 --> 01:35:45,090
I grew up in some of the county Utah.

1190
01:35:46,190 --> 01:35:47,990
And I recently moved back from out of state.

1191
01:35:48,710 --> 01:35:50,870
I am a beneficiary of short-term housing.

1192
01:35:52,290 --> 01:35:56,370
I want to say that it helps people who are in between long-term housing.

1193
01:35:56,370 --> 01:36:03,110
For me, the housing and affordable rates, it introduces people to the community and it stands

1194
01:36:03,110 --> 01:36:08,390
opportunities for those out at the stand, contribute to the local economy and so I support

1195
01:36:08,390 --> 01:36:11,390
retaining short-term housing zoning.

1196
01:36:11,850 --> 01:36:12,370
Thank you.

1197
01:36:13,430 --> 01:36:13,870
Thank you.

1198
01:36:19,070 --> 01:36:23,010
I'm Colonel Jarvis, 474 North, 850 West.

1199
01:36:23,450 --> 01:36:25,530
I live in Jason to the rising ranch.

1200
01:36:26,610 --> 01:36:27,710
And I'm in short.

1201
01:36:27,710 --> 01:36:33,870
There have been, I've seen at least five formal complaints against this property, there have

1202
01:36:33,870 --> 01:36:40,730
been parties that have been 30 cars, there have been, um, obscene music, my house

1203
01:36:40,730 --> 01:36:47,730
myself with steroids, for multiple month of the weddings. There, it's a fire hazard, which

1204
01:36:47,730 --> 01:36:56,070
now has been moved with four feet of dry leads, with the fire pet burning at two in the morning

1205
01:36:56,070 --> 01:37:02,290
at full blast and we had, I mean, his properties and nightmare are in a higher street.

1206
01:37:02,750 --> 01:37:07,030
People do not sleep with their windows up during the summer because of the noise coming

1207
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:07,970
from this property.

1208
01:37:08,810 --> 01:37:10,270
So I understand it's not licensed.

1209
01:37:10,830 --> 01:37:16,190
There's never been a property manager over all of the years that we've called going back

1210
01:37:17,310 --> 01:37:22,790
before there were never any property manager who were given or never admitted to be the property

1211
01:37:22,790 --> 01:37:23,930
manager in the United States.

1212
01:37:24,650 --> 01:37:28,870
And what was said here was shocking, but that's not the case with that property.

1213
01:37:31,300 --> 01:37:32,400
Thank you, Carol.

1214
01:37:35,980 --> 01:37:44,820
I know where he spoke. I actually just got a text from my neighbor, who is listening and share a writing, who is on the industry, hurt her bodies to get a mayor.

1215
01:37:45,500 --> 01:37:56,120
She wrote listening and thank you for your comments. I wish I could have been there to express my opposition to the tribe. I failed to contact the city council before the meeting, so thank you for representing me from share a writing.

1216
01:37:58,960 --> 01:37:59,920
Thank you.

1217
01:38:02,290 --> 01:38:03,550
Any further comments?

1218
01:38:03,550 --> 01:38:07,770
All right, I'm going to close the...

1219
01:38:07,770 --> 01:38:08,550
Help, stop.

1220
01:38:11,330 --> 01:38:12,350
Sneak it in.

1221
01:38:13,130 --> 01:38:15,830
I'm not going to speak for against any amendments.

1222
01:38:17,110 --> 01:38:20,890
In the 27 years almost that represent projects in front of me,

1223
01:38:21,050 --> 01:38:24,610
we'll say, I think this is the third kind of major time that this has been discussed.

1224
01:38:25,790 --> 01:38:31,230
We'll say in the past, what you've had seemed like it was the best compromise

1225
01:38:31,230 --> 01:38:36,570
that are putting transient rental around the resource, or is the commercial zones.

1226
01:38:37,770 --> 01:38:41,210
There were broads that there were discussions about having it all over the city,

1227
01:38:42,210 --> 01:38:43,930
because, you know, maybe like the garden city model,

1228
01:38:44,070 --> 01:38:45,570
or anybody can rent their house out,

1229
01:38:45,750 --> 01:38:47,410
and it's popular place to go in the summertime.

1230
01:38:48,370 --> 01:38:52,230
That wasn't needed, but it felt like not having any was too restricted.

1231
01:38:52,630 --> 01:38:56,410
This seems to be a good compromise that's worked for a long time.

1232
01:38:56,410 --> 01:38:58,690
And I know you looked at minor tweaks.

1233
01:39:00,790 --> 01:39:04,130
Maybe that's boring and a history lesson that you didn't need.

1234
01:39:05,170 --> 01:39:10,810
But there is some background with why this map is where it's at.

1235
01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:16,890
I would be curious to hear a narrative from either staff or the council of what's prompted

1236
01:39:16,890 --> 01:39:22,710
this to be looked at again after what seemed like it was working for a long period of time

1237
01:39:22,710 --> 01:39:26,370
just keeping it either next to these words or in the commercial area.

1238
01:39:27,130 --> 01:39:39,610
And my fear is a system that waves that what the two resort areas seem to be about as developed as they can be once this construction period ends in the next year or two.

1239
01:39:39,910 --> 01:39:44,370
The only way to keep the transient rental up is if you keep the tribe.

1240
01:39:44,570 --> 01:39:52,830
If you shrink the tribe, there aren't any other resort properties that could be developed to help in their way city with their root ratio.

1241
01:39:55,050 --> 01:39:56,050
Thanks, Paul.

1242
01:39:58,480 --> 01:39:58,660
Thank you.

1243
01:39:58,860 --> 01:39:59,400
One more comment.

1244
01:39:59,740 --> 01:40:01,340
I think that comments were made about pricing.

1245
01:40:04,220 --> 01:40:05,220
Taking that as yes.

1246
01:40:05,480 --> 01:40:05,860
Getting the silence.

1247
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:06,620
Yeah, brilliant.

1248
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:07,520
Thank you.

1249
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:12,640
I just want to make a quick note for the record regarding this case.

1250
01:40:13,060 --> 01:40:13,860
These case comments.

1251
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:16,880
And also this Carol's comments.

1252
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:20,080
From what I understand.

1253
01:40:21,480 --> 01:40:23,100
This Hawaii is an attorney.

1254
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:24,940
She has a poll.

1255
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:26,880
She is a neighbor.

1256
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:30,840
of rising range and has put this forth,

1257
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:33,340
that put this position forth to the Pletic Committee,

1258
01:40:33,500 --> 01:40:34,700
the Pletic Commission,

1259
01:40:35,540 --> 01:40:37,140
asked for

1260
01:40:39,670 --> 01:40:41,490
she drafted all of this

1261
01:40:41,490 --> 01:40:45,010
and is trying to play both sides.

1262
01:40:45,390 --> 01:40:46,850
She is a city employee,

1263
01:40:48,370 --> 01:40:50,910
and we have rising range has not had any weddings,

1264
01:40:53,050 --> 01:40:54,910
asked for the other complaints,

1265
01:40:55,910 --> 01:40:57,210
the complaints themselves,

1266
01:40:57,290 --> 01:40:58,670
if they're coming from the first meeting

1267
01:40:58,670 --> 01:41:04,490
comment that is part of the conflict right there. As far as raising

1268
01:41:04,490 --> 01:41:07,450
ranch is concerned, no one else is called and they have paid

1269
01:41:07,450 --> 01:41:10,990
themselves to have given their personal phone numbers to their

1270
01:41:10,990 --> 01:41:14,350
neighbors for if they're at her any concerns.

1271
01:41:17,650 --> 01:41:18,670
Again, there's a real

1272
01:41:18,670 --> 01:41:21,710
property right record with the land and they're having to discuss

1273
01:41:21,710 --> 01:41:27,630
any legitimate complaints. They've also voiced a a you're willing

1274
01:41:27,630 --> 01:41:33,090
to clients' trees if that is in any way helpful for the

1275
01:41:33,090 --> 01:41:34,930
Freddie potential noise complaints.

1276
01:41:35,470 --> 01:41:37,170
And just one quick question, of course,

1277
01:41:37,390 --> 01:41:40,750
for the record, can you tell us or confirm

1278
01:41:40,750 --> 01:41:43,910
that your client has an active license

1279
01:41:44,750 --> 01:41:47,930
to conduct his business in that building?

1280
01:41:49,950 --> 01:41:53,750
From what I understand the city has that information

1281
01:41:53,750 --> 01:41:54,470
already.

1282
01:41:54,470 --> 01:42:00,530
I'm just asking it looks like you're communicating with your client, because the city has asked

1283
01:42:00,530 --> 01:42:08,050
multiple times, and we've been going for months now, and your client refuses to come in

1284
01:42:08,050 --> 01:42:10,750
and get a license for the record.

1285
01:42:13,210 --> 01:42:13,890
Thank you, Your Commons.

1286
01:42:13,950 --> 01:42:16,770
I'm not sure if this is the proper venue to go into those details.

1287
01:42:17,330 --> 01:42:23,790
Just try to comment on this, Ms. Bologna, Ms. Jarvis, his comments specifically regarding

1288
01:42:24,810 --> 01:42:31,290
And for the record, just so you know, the city has received numerous complaints about this property.

1289
01:42:32,170 --> 01:42:35,830
Fantastic. Well, thank you for your, thank you for that.

1290
01:42:36,330 --> 01:42:38,590
I have enough for the comments. Thank you.

1291
01:42:42,770 --> 01:42:44,930
This is not what I wanted this meeting to turn into.

1292
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:50,210
I'll be quick. I just want to clarify for the record that I do not work with the city.

1293
01:42:50,410 --> 01:42:54,090
I have not worked with the city for some months. I did use to work with the city.

1294
01:42:54,730 --> 01:43:01,870
And I restrain my comments here tonight to information that I know for my own knowledge and not for working with the city.

1295
01:43:02,470 --> 01:43:03,010
Thank you, Katie.

1296
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:06,550
I'll answer your question.

1297
01:43:07,290 --> 01:43:09,150
Why has this come before the council?

1298
01:43:09,950 --> 01:43:10,770
It is a problem.

1299
01:43:11,710 --> 01:43:15,730
We have neighbors that have come to us time and time again, especially for the rising branch.

1300
01:43:16,410 --> 01:43:21,410
So the fact that you state that the mic that there's no complaints is incorrect.

1301
01:43:22,570 --> 01:43:22,590
Okay?

1302
01:43:23,150 --> 01:43:24,590
And you're non-compliant.

1303
01:43:25,530 --> 01:43:30,730
The reason we're here is because of the behavior of your client,

1304
01:43:32,990 --> 01:43:34,350
the A-gakers, how many

1305
01:43:34,350 --> 01:43:39,610
acres in the United States, there's seven lots of A-creech, probably a little bit more

1306
01:43:39,610 --> 01:43:40,030
in that.

1307
01:43:40,130 --> 01:43:46,750
The three or four funding lots, we had to clean up because of the fire concern.

1308
01:43:48,370 --> 01:43:54,910
Notice this was sent nothing was done, so public works went in and cleared the lots.

1309
01:43:55,710 --> 01:44:03,090
All right, we have a no fire, no open flame, no fire works, ordinance in our city until next week.

1310
01:44:04,590 --> 01:44:16,850
Many of your neighbors, your clients, neighbors, came to the city and requested through letters and calls to have this issue remedy, nothing was done.

1311
01:44:16,850 --> 01:44:24,490
we had this step in. I have to drive by that property for the last 16 years living here

1312
01:44:24,490 --> 01:44:31,050
in the last 31 years working here. Multiple times there have been late night parties.

1313
01:44:32,630 --> 01:44:36,950
So all the reason we're dealing with this is because it's been brought to our attention

1314
01:44:36,950 --> 01:44:38,250
by many people.

1315
01:44:45,710 --> 01:44:51,320
Are we still close to it? Yeah, I've gotten close to public hearing. Kevin.

1316
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:52,800
So,

1317
01:44:55,980 --> 01:44:59,980
I guess this question for both Corbin and Mike.

1318
01:45:03,220 --> 01:45:07,540
We've already asked specific property. A condition that used permit.

1319
01:45:09,670 --> 01:45:12,310
If there's been violations, can we not revisit that condition

1320
01:45:12,310 --> 01:45:13,010
that used permit?

1321
01:45:15,500 --> 01:45:22,460
So, conditionally used permits can be revoked. We have to have a really good case to do that, but it is possible for it to be revoked.

1322
01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:31,060
I mean, this is kind of the first bite heard of this, but nevertheless, I mean, this is surprising that there's no license.

1323
01:45:32,380 --> 01:45:36,160
And they're operating short-term rentals.

1324
01:45:36,820 --> 01:45:37,760
I mean, it's just

1325
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:43,260
why we're letting that happen is beyond me.

1326
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:45,760
Yeah, we have received complaints.

1327
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:48,900
We have tried to remedy the situation,

1328
01:45:49,380 --> 01:45:50,800
that communicating with property owner,

1329
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:53,260
verbally through letters.

1330
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:57,460
We now have sent that to your attorney's office

1331
01:45:57,460 --> 01:45:59,840
for the end of the review, so that's where we're at right now.

1332
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:01,800
So we're beginning the enforcement process.

1333
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:06,860
So can we not revisit that then as a council?

1334
01:46:09,700 --> 01:46:12,240
You would, you could request us to look at it, absolutely.

1335
01:46:13,580 --> 01:46:20,560
Well, we request to look at it to possibly bring back and revisit the condition of use for that.

1336
01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:24,260
I would like to leave an analysis on that that you certainly can give me sure.

1337
01:46:24,820 --> 01:46:26,340
Yeah, directly to do that, I will do so.

1338
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:28,020
I would like to see that.

1339
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:32,680
Okay.

1340
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:42,640
That's not an action item on our agenda, so we could bring that up that our work meeting as an action item and provide direction there.

1341
01:46:44,650 --> 01:46:45,990
I've ready to make a motion,

1342
01:46:49,340 --> 01:46:49,700
discussion.

1343
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:50,640
Go ahead.

1344
01:46:53,450 --> 01:47:08,310
I recommend that the city adopt, or it is 2026-24, reducing the trust, but grandfathering in the properties that are currently approved.

1345
01:47:08,310 --> 01:47:13,590
approved, including the two lots in the Amirali subdivision.

1346
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,820
There's what the conditional use permit.

1347
01:47:23,660 --> 01:47:25,020
Are we including those or not?

1348
01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:30,860
So anyone that's currently operating as an approved,

1349
01:47:32,170 --> 01:47:34,950
nightly rental, conditionally use, or within,

1350
01:47:35,290 --> 01:47:36,050
that are granted.

1351
01:47:36,950 --> 01:47:39,350
Can I ask clarifying question?

1352
01:47:39,650 --> 01:47:41,130
Is that, I mean,

1353
01:47:45,530 --> 01:47:47,570
Michael, why don't we step down the items?

1354
01:47:48,170 --> 01:47:49,610
You had a list of all those.

1355
01:47:49,610 --> 01:47:57,690
Okay. Let's get specific about what's included and what's not. Okay. So, my understanding

1356
01:47:57,690 --> 01:48:04,450
termary termary, what's this area be removed? Correct. Well, the exception of the two

1357
01:48:04,450 --> 01:48:08,390
grandfathered properties. We have the two that are licensed would be able to continue.

1358
01:48:09,290 --> 01:48:13,790
Kind of kind of just kind of clarify that statement. I don't know the motion makes the exception

1359
01:48:13,790 --> 01:48:17,850
of those properties. They are the exception by definition.

1360
01:48:18,290 --> 01:48:22,770
Yeah, they're they fall under a section to go to include that in the motion.

1361
01:48:23,270 --> 01:48:27,170
So this area would be removed. That's kind of the, that would be the take.

1362
01:48:27,850 --> 01:48:28,830
That would be such a motion ending.

1363
01:48:29,410 --> 01:48:32,390
But there are still two properties that are grandfathered in.

1364
01:48:32,590 --> 01:48:34,730
So how do you make a motion to remove and leave them in?

1365
01:48:34,790 --> 01:48:36,370
Really they fall under section to the code.

1366
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:37,490
You don't even need to mention.

1367
01:48:37,730 --> 01:48:39,250
Okay. Then remove.

1368
01:48:39,250 --> 01:48:46,970
So, can I just ask, so, are you taking the ones that are in the C2 and taking the drugs off?

1369
01:48:47,010 --> 01:48:48,470
Well, we'll go get a call and raise you one of them.

1370
01:48:49,810 --> 01:48:51,910
So, the next one will be midway village.

1371
01:48:54,050 --> 01:48:57,350
And being removed and being removed.

1372
01:48:58,370 --> 01:48:59,950
Then we have raising branch.

1373
01:49:02,300 --> 01:49:10,180
Questionable, but I think it remains, but we will address it.

1374
01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:14,520
at our work meeting on the 14th.

1375
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:14,760
Okay.

1376
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:19,340
When you say remains, you mean remains part of the motion is removed from the tribe.

1377
01:49:19,620 --> 01:49:23,360
No, I think that has a conditionally used permits, so I think we leave it in now, and then

1378
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:25,620
we need to address the other issues in another meeting.

1379
01:49:26,500 --> 01:49:26,600
Okay.

1380
01:49:26,700 --> 01:49:31,380
So we have covered in the trigger and if we're in a discussion section of the motion, should

1381
01:49:31,380 --> 01:49:33,580
I make a comment now, or is there a better time?

1382
01:49:33,940 --> 01:49:34,540
I'm going to go ahead.

1383
01:49:36,810 --> 01:49:38,490
Based on what I heard,

1384
01:49:40,660 --> 01:49:55,200
I'm thinking if it's removed from the trod, it retains the same rights as others being removed from the trod, meaning if they have a currently valid use, they would continue to be able to do that.

1385
01:49:56,640 --> 01:50:04,340
Whether or not they're current scenario fits that I don't know, but if they fail to apply that would be not our problem.

1386
01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:13,430
I think that if that was removed because they have a condition that used permit, that's

1387
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:16,960
different in subject and of course different in the separate.

1388
01:50:18,140 --> 01:50:23,120
So there's additional rights under the condition that used permit.

1389
01:50:23,380 --> 01:50:23,720
Versus.

1390
01:50:23,980 --> 01:50:25,120
Because it's already granted.

1391
01:50:27,220 --> 01:50:31,200
So that would be my thought as far as a safe.

1392
01:50:32,860 --> 01:50:40,160
I'd rather than have it. I think it's well-turing though, but what would you, would you add that to your motion?

1393
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:43,800
So, remove, but the understanding there are current rights.

1394
01:50:44,020 --> 01:50:45,000
There are current rights.

1395
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:46,720
That's what I'm saying.

1396
01:50:47,880 --> 01:50:49,820
Okay, next one.

1397
01:50:51,100 --> 01:50:54,080
So, this would be the area around Mount Spalmy, only.

1398
01:50:54,800 --> 01:51:00,040
This would be acknowledging that two lots remain in the trial or main end.

1399
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:02,380
as recommended by stop, dry.

1400
01:51:06,350 --> 01:51:09,410
So, in the C2 zone, south of Main Street,

1401
01:51:09,710 --> 01:51:13,350
from Hamlet over to almost boxed in road,

1402
01:51:13,830 --> 01:51:15,330
leaving up the insurance center.

1403
01:51:17,590 --> 01:51:19,470
That would be removed,

1404
01:51:20,070 --> 01:51:21,630
with the owner's dinner, and there is a property

1405
01:51:21,630 --> 01:51:23,070
that this grandfathered in.

1406
01:51:24,650 --> 01:51:26,510
So, is it there another one?

1407
01:51:26,830 --> 01:51:28,430
There's only one that's licensed,

1408
01:51:29,310 --> 01:51:31,670
and then, on just right there, another area.

1409
01:51:31,850 --> 01:51:33,390
On the other side, another section.

1410
01:51:33,390 --> 01:51:35,010
There's one more second.

1411
01:51:35,790 --> 01:51:37,570
So, it will.

1412
01:51:38,710 --> 01:51:42,230
I have a part tonight with our commercial either.

1413
01:51:42,470 --> 01:51:44,870
We need to take it out of the commercial zone.

1414
01:51:46,030 --> 01:51:49,990
So, I mean, because right now we're taking it out of the tribe,

1415
01:51:50,530 --> 01:51:52,070
so it can't be a negative rental,

1416
01:51:53,090 --> 01:51:56,070
but it can be all kinds of other commercial things.

1417
01:51:56,830 --> 01:52:00,210
So, how do we pick and choose about what commercial...

1418
01:52:00,210 --> 01:52:02,610
I just... I have a plan with that.

1419
01:52:02,610 --> 01:52:08,410
So that would be a different commercial, yeah, we'd have to take that on another meeting, but

1420
01:52:08,410 --> 01:52:13,390
this probably has been zone commercial since the beginning back in 1960, but that would be a

1421
01:52:13,390 --> 01:52:18,010
separate item we'd need to notice to take it out of the commercial zone. I was going to say what Lisa

1422
01:52:18,010 --> 01:52:28,630
saying is this one to me is it's harder to get a grip on. I think the conflicts are its zone commercial

1423
01:52:28,630 --> 01:52:29,970
when it has been for a long time.

1424
01:52:30,340 --> 01:52:35,000
As far as the way it functions, it's nearly entirely residential.

1425
01:52:37,380 --> 01:52:45,820
But it feels strange to cut a little piece out of commercial. That would be the reason, because it's almost entirely residential in function.

1426
01:52:46,500 --> 01:52:49,760
But I hear we're coming from as far as this is like...

1427
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:58,260
Because on the next piece, the next one we're going to, we're kind of, we're saying, okay, these are commercial

1428
01:52:58,260 --> 01:53:05,540
and we're changing that so it's all the same but I'm just I think we need to clean

1429
01:53:05,540 --> 01:53:12,960
out commercial versus residential and they get what it is because because I

1430
01:53:13,780 --> 01:53:26,380
left safe sure I'm waiting she lives next door and if it's not going to be a

1431
01:53:26,380 --> 01:53:35,920
to you. So then it can be a store, it could be, I mean, it could be any number of commercial

1432
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:42,940
things. I just think we're kind of saying, oh no, you can't do that. Oh, you can do all of

1433
01:53:42,940 --> 01:53:47,880
these other things. So if it's really a problem, I think we need to address a whole picture.

1434
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:55,280
So just kind of scary. Can I ask a procedural question of the stop? I don't know if I've ever asked this before

1435
01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:59,700
And I don't know if you would consider this you're making a motion

1436
01:54:00,500 --> 01:54:05,140
Is it possible to continue one aspect of what's before us meaning?

1437
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:10,260
We'll do all this stuff that maybe take this piece and just delay our decision while more

1438
01:54:10,260 --> 01:54:12,200
What work is done and where thought is done?

1439
01:54:12,740 --> 01:54:15,900
Is that something you can do or does it have to be all or nothing?

1440
01:54:15,900 --> 01:54:27,300
Now, you can take pieces of it and we can just amend the ordinance that's been created to include those areas that have been approved and the other items we can bring them back in a future meeting.

1441
01:54:27,420 --> 01:54:32,520
And if we continue to not have to go through the long cycle if we wanted to bring it back sooner.

1442
01:54:32,900 --> 01:54:45,620
Because maybe we take this E2 up a way to that side of Main Street or to if it's all commercial or if it's all residential because I just feel like all you have the same complaints from the same residents.

1443
01:54:45,620 --> 01:54:50,380
on this residential street when somebody says, oh, now we can't do it in the

1444
01:54:50,380 --> 01:54:52,720
roundabout, but we own that. We're going to make it into a business.

1445
01:54:52,860 --> 01:54:56,380
So kind of a clarification real quick, what could we continue to just the

1446
01:54:56,380 --> 01:55:01,420
chart question if you wanted to look at as separate zoning questions such as

1447
01:55:01,420 --> 01:55:05,900
changing this R1A11 instead of C2, we'd have to go through that whole process

1448
01:55:05,900 --> 01:55:07,380
from the beginning to make that change.

1449
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:12,060
So could we, yes, right, but could we say we want to change the

1450
01:55:12,060 --> 01:55:18,520
to draw this much tonight, maybe within the next couple of months, maybe make additional changes

1451
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:19,260
maybe not.

1452
01:55:19,640 --> 01:55:20,240
Yeah, you could do that.

1453
01:55:20,240 --> 01:55:20,900
That will be possible.

1454
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:22,160
So that's something three hundred.

1455
01:55:22,540 --> 01:55:23,700
I don't know if that's a wise thing.

1456
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:32,840
I'm just going to, I like to just kind of sever out what what's to for us and this is not

1457
01:55:32,840 --> 01:55:38,280
in any way shape or form trying to do a cool con, you know, one way or the other.

1458
01:55:38,280 --> 01:55:45,820
Clearly, I think what's before us is, from my perspective, what's happened over time, was the

1459
01:55:45,820 --> 01:55:53,560
complaints that we've received of ninth rental rentals in clear residential neighborhoods.

1460
01:55:53,800 --> 01:56:00,400
I mean, a lot of you've heard the story when we moved here, to sub-derivate and to make

1461
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:03,180
to build our house, we rented a house,

1462
01:56:03,860 --> 01:56:08,660
and it had a reputation as the party house for 90 rentals.

1463
01:56:09,940 --> 01:56:11,920
And all the negative aspects for those

1464
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:15,300
that were living nearby, expecting to be living next to a

1465
01:56:16,040 --> 01:56:20,560
long-term resident, not someone or a group that's

1466
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:21,720
different every week.

1467
01:56:24,780 --> 01:56:28,540
So I've seen the mission creep over time

1468
01:56:28,540 --> 01:56:33,500
of making arguments of logic, you know, there's might be Reynolds right next to me that's extended

1469
01:56:33,500 --> 01:56:35,820
over here and that's kind of what's happened over time.

1470
01:56:36,620 --> 01:56:37,380
That's one thing.

1471
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:44,820
I almost feel one can make the argument here of this commercial portion is almost what's being proposed,

1472
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:51,720
is just the opposite meaning this was all established to be within C2's own because ultimately

1473
01:56:51,720 --> 01:56:57,800
if it's C2 in the long run, now this maybe decades in the future, you know,

1474
01:56:57,800 --> 01:57:02,220
So all that, the intent with C2, right, is for some

1475
01:57:02,220 --> 01:57:03,800
personal intervention to come in there.

1476
01:57:07,020 --> 01:57:09,640
At the same time, I would argue and say, you know,

1477
01:57:09,740 --> 01:57:13,260
downtown, our mainstream midway, we're smaller town.

1478
01:57:13,340 --> 01:57:13,860
We're not Hebrew.

1479
01:57:14,040 --> 01:57:16,480
I don't think we want to become Hebrew with World of World,

1480
01:57:16,580 --> 01:57:18,380
commercial, you know, all the way up and down.

1481
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:22,820
But I could see the argument of, hold it.

1482
01:57:23,940 --> 01:57:32,060
If it's done here, then any other neighbor or residence on Main Street could make the same

1483
01:57:32,060 --> 01:57:33,200
argument saying, hold it.

1484
01:57:33,380 --> 01:57:37,820
There's not any rentals going on next to me and I don't like that, and let's cut it out

1485
01:57:37,820 --> 01:57:38,640
of there.

1486
01:57:39,140 --> 01:57:44,740
So I mean, it's almost the opposite kind of what they're doing in terms of the traditional

1487
01:57:44,740 --> 01:57:46,340
residential neighborhoods.

1488
01:57:46,340 --> 01:57:51,280
I just think it needs to be thought through, and not, I mean, we talked about

1489
01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:55,760
spossoling to me. This feels like we're going to take it out of here or

1490
01:57:55,760 --> 01:58:00,040
probably don't, and I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm saying it

1491
01:58:00,040 --> 01:58:03,820
to have it really discuss this as it's on the animal, and it's different.

1492
01:58:06,610 --> 01:58:10,930
Yeah, dear, you're including this in your motion. I don't know what I'm doing.

1493
01:58:13,790 --> 01:58:17,770
Yes, I am including that in the motion to remove it from the

1494
01:58:17,770 --> 01:58:23,910
And if we want to come back and address it and address commercial zones, then we can do that in another meeting.

1495
01:58:24,170 --> 01:58:29,190
But before tonight, this is an article specific to the drop.

1496
01:58:29,750 --> 01:58:32,070
Okay, so we have a motion to understand that motion.

1497
01:58:32,350 --> 01:58:34,690
Yeah, we have one more to discuss this one.

1498
01:58:35,930 --> 01:58:37,490
So those houses were approved.

1499
01:58:37,490 --> 01:58:40,510
Those three houses were previously approved.

1500
01:58:41,590 --> 01:58:44,770
And they're coming before us tonight for conditionally used permits.

1501
01:58:45,290 --> 01:58:46,810
They'll come before you in two months.

1502
01:58:46,810 --> 01:58:48,490
Oh, maybe that's out in the planning commission.

1503
01:58:48,730 --> 01:58:53,610
Yeah, they, the correct though, we go for the planning commission next week.

1504
01:58:54,310 --> 01:58:58,190
So, so functionally there would be grandfathered because they're in the midst of the process.

1505
01:58:58,570 --> 01:59:01,950
Correct, they have a vested application, so that allows them to move forward.

1506
01:59:02,090 --> 01:59:03,830
These are not in the commercial zone.

1507
01:59:04,930 --> 01:59:07,250
Well, the correct, what of them is personal and casual zone?

1508
01:59:07,630 --> 01:59:09,870
Yeah. So, yes, also be removed.

1509
01:59:11,090 --> 01:59:11,530
Okay,

1510
01:59:13,550 --> 01:59:14,590
so, so we have a motion.

1511
01:59:14,590 --> 01:59:25,490
I second the motion and and I have a comment I think the tribe that was introduced as Paul

1512
01:59:26,210 --> 01:59:31,010
made mention of was probably a great idea in 2006 but a lot has changed

1513
01:59:31,670 --> 01:59:41,790
mostly COVID which completely changed in the whole reason I knew who live here since COVID which has made turned, you know, really our community from a

1514
01:59:41,790 --> 01:59:49,810
a second home, little kind of coin town and farmers into a place where clearly it's becoming

1515
01:59:49,810 --> 01:59:56,370
more and more, where people choose to live and as they make it through primary resistance

1516
01:59:56,370 --> 01:59:59,970
because they have, we have Zoome and we have the internet, we have...

1517
02:00:00,050 --> 02:00:19,230
Check my logical advances that I think were expedited by COVID. People are now making it way as we know, their main residence, and we're up against as Mayor suggested, people who have come and are saying, you know what?

1518
02:00:19,230 --> 02:00:20,950
Yeah, wow, what is happening?

1519
02:00:21,530 --> 02:00:26,370
I bought here, and our, sorry, I don't have your name,

1520
02:00:26,650 --> 02:00:29,370
but, you know, may test on it too.

1521
02:00:30,030 --> 02:00:32,430
But yeah, I'm up against people that don't live here.

1522
02:00:32,510 --> 02:00:32,950
I get it.

1523
02:00:32,970 --> 02:00:34,030
We live in a resort.

1524
02:00:34,910 --> 02:00:37,610
But the trial is in direct competition

1525
02:00:37,610 --> 02:00:39,230
to our resorts.

1526
02:00:40,530 --> 02:00:43,930
We've got vacancies, we've got other things.

1527
02:00:44,810 --> 02:00:48,890
And I think that with a long, with more of a vision,

1528
02:00:48,890 --> 02:00:54,970
And I think that we've talked about, and it's a consideration for saying, well, you know,

1529
02:00:55,050 --> 02:00:57,090
what about our resort tax and the future?

1530
02:00:58,410 --> 02:01:03,930
Those things aren't made in a bubble either, because as we talk about the bypass, there's

1531
02:01:03,930 --> 02:01:08,930
that opportunity for midway to maybe grow as new areas across into other areas.

1532
02:01:09,530 --> 02:01:11,150
Let's explore what those look like.

1533
02:01:11,450 --> 02:01:18,290
I'm all for, I support this motion, I second the motion, and I'm for people who live in

1534
02:01:18,290 --> 02:01:26,730
community. Chris, I appreciate you, your comments. You probably, wherever you live, don't

1535
02:01:26,730 --> 02:01:34,970
aren't surrounded by 90 rounds. It's not something that I think is conducive to people who

1536
02:01:34,970 --> 02:01:39,830
live long-term because you want to have a community where you know your neighbors, not people

1537
02:01:39,830 --> 02:01:48,090
are shuffling in and out. And I just want for the record to clear that I support removing and reducing

1538
02:01:48,090 --> 02:01:54,110
the tribe, maybe ultimately completely out of our commercial zone, which could be totally

1539
02:01:54,110 --> 02:02:01,910
separate than the C2 and C3. The tribe is the tribe, but I going forward, I'm totally

1540
02:02:01,910 --> 02:02:08,770
on board and could be fine with it being eliminated from our city and effort to double

1541
02:02:08,770 --> 02:02:14,810
down on people who live here every night, every day, not people coming and going if they want

1542
02:02:14,810 --> 02:02:18,590
comments, see what it's like to live here and stay at one of our beautiful resorts.

1543
02:02:19,050 --> 02:02:21,810
There's lots to choose from and they're amazing. Thank you.

1544
02:02:24,150 --> 02:02:28,190
Thank you. Thank you Andrew. Jason, let's go ahead and take a bow.

1545
02:02:29,050 --> 02:02:35,890
Craig, I apologize. I just want to clarify, just one last time you started

1546
02:02:35,890 --> 02:02:41,830
to understand the motion. So both all the areas that we discussed, which ones are,

1547
02:02:44,180 --> 02:02:44,920
which ones

1548
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:51,260
All of them would be removed except for this one around bound spot.

1549
02:02:51,440 --> 02:02:52,460
Okay, that's all I'm asking.

1550
02:02:52,980 --> 02:02:53,860
So all of them are removed.

1551
02:02:54,200 --> 02:02:58,280
The motion is to remove all except for this one.

1552
02:02:58,600 --> 02:02:58,960
Okay, yes.

1553
02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:01,380
With the caveat that there are some grandfathered in,

1554
02:03:01,500 --> 02:03:04,920
and there are some conditional useful meds in a part of them.

1555
02:03:06,220 --> 02:03:06,420
Okay.

1556
02:03:10,160 --> 02:03:11,260
This really is a tough one.

1557
02:03:11,480 --> 02:03:13,220
With competing is just in concerns.

1558
02:03:13,220 --> 02:03:20,380
And I think on the books, that's a commercial area, but at the same time, I know it's

1559
02:03:20,380 --> 02:03:21,640
99% residential.

1560
02:03:22,860 --> 02:03:27,580
And I think maybe it should be, or maybe from commercial, and I think the neighborhood

1561
02:03:27,580 --> 02:03:30,020
would probably agree with that.

1562
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:32,340
So I'm going to say aye.

1563
02:03:34,120 --> 02:03:43,300
I agree with JC. I want to say nay because not because I disagree with the

1564
02:03:43,300 --> 02:03:49,560
tried issues because this to me should not be in there. It's to me that's

1565
02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:57,560
spot zoning in a way. I understand it's not technically, but we don't, we don't

1566
02:03:57,560 --> 02:04:00,700
Wow, we don't just go say, oh, but we're going to have to

1567
02:04:00,700 --> 02:04:04,420
try it over here because it makes sense, and I'm really

1568
02:04:04,420 --> 02:04:08,500
having a hard time with it, because I think that we need to.

1569
02:04:10,840 --> 02:04:14,860
And is that are we going to, will you make sure that's on

1570
02:04:14,860 --> 02:04:15,140
meeting?

1571
02:04:16,020 --> 02:04:20,260
Because I don't know, I'll follow, yes, but only, I just

1572
02:04:20,260 --> 02:04:24,140
want to make sure that we really address this issue, because I

1573
02:04:24,140 --> 02:04:27,900
I think it's unfair to the neighborhood not to do that.

1574
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:29,920
Mike, we have that written down.

1575
02:04:30,500 --> 02:04:31,320
Yeah, we can bring that.

1576
02:04:31,420 --> 02:04:33,040
We address this another time, OK?

1577
02:04:33,480 --> 02:04:33,680
Vander?

1578
02:04:35,180 --> 02:04:37,120
I'll start to excuse me.

1579
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:38,220
What was your vote?

1580
02:04:38,820 --> 02:04:39,520
I was.

1581
02:04:39,900 --> 02:04:40,740
Yes, OK.

1582
02:04:50,060 --> 02:04:51,420
We're coming tonight, folks.

1583
02:04:52,020 --> 02:04:54,360
We appreciate you being here and having a voice.

1584
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:59,700
There before you want to come in, we'll take a short break

1585
02:05:01,850 --> 02:05:03,970
for 10 minutes and I will be here soon.