1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,560 One a day, so I eat candy instead. 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:09,160 » We will call the next meeting to order. We begin with the Pledge of Allegiance 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,840 and prayer for those who wish to participate. 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:19,040 Pledge allegiance >> to the flag of the United States of 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:25,200 America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:28,560 indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 7 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,800 » Dear heavenly Father, help to guide us in a way that's pleasing to thee. Help 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:36,320 us to watch over the safety and well-being of the town's people and our 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:39,480 employees. Make decisions in your name, we pray. Amen. 10 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:50,200 We have the memorandums from the previous meetings. 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:53,880 » I make a motion we accept the memorandums from previous meetings. 12 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:57,800 » I'll second it. >> We have a motion made and seconded that 13 00:00:55,680 --> 00:01:01,920 we approve the minutes of the or the memorandums from the previous meetings. 14 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:05,080 All those in favor signify by saying aye. 15 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:07,720 Aye. Aye. Those against signify by saying nay. Motion carried. 16 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:15,680 Attorney's report. >> Well, I know you folks Oh, I must talk 17 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,680 like this now. 18 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,440 I can solve it too. 19 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:24,920 I I know that everybody enjoys these meetings where I said I don't have a 20 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:28,800 report, and that is not at all what this meeting 21 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:33,200 is going to be like. I cleared the topics to talk about. One 22 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:36,760 of them was the topic you asked me to investigate 23 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,640 2 months ago. I was unable to be at last month's meeting, so 24 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:44,400 this is regarding data centers and the ability 25 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:48,720 of the town to centrally man them from the town 26 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,880 itself. Um 27 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:58,920 the communities that have banned data centers in in the 28 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:05,400 city of in the past year or so have all been communities with their own 29 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:09,440 individual zoning structure. When I say that, Marshall County, it's 30 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:13,640 got Marshall County Plan Commission. Uh Valparaiso, Valparaiso has Valparaiso 31 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:19,680 City Plan Commission. So, they all go by their own individual 32 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:23,880 zoning rules. So, what that means is that to 33 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:30,000 uh ban uh data centers or limit them based 34 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:35,520 by use of a zoning ordinance would require the town essentially to get the 35 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:39,520 county to pass a zoning ordinance. And theoretically, the town could 36 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:43,360 champion such an ordinance. If you wish to be a leader in trying to get that 37 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:48,280 done, you would have the ability to get that done, and then that has to do with 38 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:53,080 convincing the powers that be that they are going to do more than they have 39 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:56,520 already. Right now, the county's zoning and I've talked to to Matt Sandy about 40 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:00,519 this. Uh it is a data center is 41 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:04,880 uh a exceptional use. It requires It would 42 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:09,480 require approval in order to fit into the industrial 43 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:13,120 heavy industrial district. But, it would not be it's not 44 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:19,840 automatically banned. Um so, that's one way that theoretically 45 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:25,800 you could go, but you don't have control over that. Uh if a zoning request was 46 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:30,320 made for a data center, they would be asking you for your input 47 00:03:28,239 --> 00:03:35,239 as they routinely do with Plan Commission 48 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:38,000 on on various exceptions for uh exceptional uses, I guess that's way to 49 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:42,120 put it. Uh the other way is the town could 50 00:03:40,239 --> 00:03:49,519 decide, "Okay, we are going to try to pass an ordinance that says you cannot 51 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:52,720 have this operation in town, period." And 52 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:57,600 uh it would be a again, just a flat ban, but that has 53 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:02,000 not been anything that has been tested in Indiana law, at least as far as I can 54 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:08,360 see. Now, there have been tests where towns 55 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:13,280 have attempted to totally ban a particular operation, 56 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:18,160 but my best advice to you on this is think of it as if you were trying to 57 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:23,040 pass an ordinance basing vanishing tanning beds. 58 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:27,160 And there would be some that would be potentially attacked that by saying, you 59 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:31,360 know, you just can't flatly tell us in every respect what we can do we cannot 60 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:35,360 do this with our property. You can put fair restrictions on it. You 61 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:43,000 can put guidelines on it, but you can't just say we can't have a tanning bed. 62 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:49,280 And that's potentially where litigation would come out with regard to a flat ban 63 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:53,600 on data centers. Now, if you 64 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:57,320 if you champion or work to extend the moratorium with the limitations, I 65 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:02,400 should say it's not a moratorium, limitations that the county has on it, 66 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:08,280 or have a moratorium for a while while they look at the rules further, 67 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:12,680 then if litigation occurs over that, which is doubtful but possible, then it 68 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:17,760 would be the county who would have to defend that particular action. 69 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:22,360 If you decided to pass an ordinance flatly banning them, not by using zoning 70 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:26,080 but by simply saying you can't have this in town like you would with tanning 71 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:30,919 beds, that would be something that if you were 72 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:34,560 forced to defend it, that would be you defending that litigation in court 73 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:37,600 because that would be a sound ordinance, not a zoning ordinance. 74 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:45,880 That's my mouthful explanation of what I have investigated about data centers. 75 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,960 If you have any questions, please feel free to fire away. 76 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:57,680 What about a moratorium? Can we enact a moratorium? 77 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,800 Could we >> It's been about right now. 78 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,440 » Yeah. >> Which 79 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:07,520 obviously would probably lead to litigation eventually. 80 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:11,240 Uh can we say, "Okay, we would like to create an ordinance that places a 81 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,400 moratorium on them for a specific amount of time?" 82 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:14,840 » No. >> Okay. 83 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,240 So, we're at the mercy of the county. 84 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,200 In in any type of >> I've actually That's the only thing, 85 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:31,200 yeah. You have to decide that we'd have we'd have no plan commission of our own. 86 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:37,280 » Right. >> Um and I actually spoke to the county 87 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:39,600 commissioner about this situation. Um 88 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,400 It's an interesting conversation. 89 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,720 Um 90 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:56,040 and the county's aware of it, but I I have to believe that the county 91 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,040 um 92 00:06:56,840 --> 00:07:04,080 hopefully has the best interest of the county citizens of the county at heart, 93 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:06,520 but I also think that they see it as a way to make money. 94 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:11,040 » Well, and >> which which I'm not saying is a bad 95 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:13,800 thing, but it that could be at the expense of 96 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:18,160 people in the community where those places are decided to locate. 97 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:21,800 » And the other thing which is not I don't think anything controls your decision, 98 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:25,160 but it's something to be aware of is that I think there's probably some 99 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:28,880 discussion down at the state level about taking over 100 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:32,560 the regulation of location of data centers. 101 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:36,720 And of course, if the state takes it over, then 102 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:40,120 you know, the home rule provisions won't apply. The state will have been 103 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:43,640 litigating in that area, and therefore, it's out of your hands totally. 104 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,480 » Then it would take it out of the county's hands as well. 105 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:51,080 » For sure. Yeah, absolutely. >> Just 106 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,080 um 107 00:07:52,760 --> 00:08:00,440 So, currently, Jay, the Board of Zoning 108 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:04,440 Currently, Jay, the Board of Zoning Appeals would be the one to make that 109 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,040 vote. Correct. 110 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:15,200 If there was a and I I'm pretty sure I'm generally answering 111 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:18,200 his question in a general way that's accurate. 112 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:21,680 Uh but uh if it's a question of exceptional use, the Board of Zoning 113 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:25,840 Appeals make the decision. If it's a question of kind of rezoning, uh you 114 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:29,360 know, broader sense to restrict it even further, then that's the Area Planning 115 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,919 Commission make the decision. Depends on whether you're operating under the 116 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:36,919 current ordinance or whether you're talking about extending and having a 117 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,919 different ordinance. 118 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:42,760 » Uh one of the things 119 00:08:40,479 --> 00:08:48,120 One of the things that I spoke with to that individual is I think that the Area 120 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:52,800 Planning Commission is going to look at some guidelines 121 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:55,839 for these types of facilities within the 122 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,960 county. Like I said, I think they're in favor of 123 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:03,080 them to a certain extent, but I think they want to place some guidelines in 124 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,720 front of the businesses that want to come in and do it 125 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,080 to ensure um 126 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:16,280 a better situation for everyone involved. 127 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:22,000 » Well, one of the things to remember is that uh there have been over at least my 128 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:25,920 career over 40 years uh a couple of instances where 129 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:31,440 uh the local uh town or the county itself has 130 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:36,400 attempted to uh zone out of business certain activities they did not like. 131 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:39,720 Uh one of them being, if you come to close to my house in North Webster and 132 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:46,240 look at the search light, you can figure that out. And they were not able to do 133 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:51,120 that and partly because generally speaking, you have to give people some 134 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:55,200 right to take action and do something somewhere. 135 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:59,200 Uh if you take somebody's rights away to have any business anywhere in town, uh 136 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:03,440 they have potential to sue you for what's called inverse condemnation. 137 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:06,160 » Well, what I was speaking to, I don't think the county's trying to prevent 138 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:12,600 them from doing it. I think they're trying to create a situation where 139 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:15,800 if someone comes in and try to do this, it's done in the 140 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,720 best way possible for the people of the community. 141 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:22,080 » Yeah, and that's the basis for them doing a moratorium in the first place, 142 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:28,360 which is hey, we don't we've got these data centers springing up 143 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:34,320 anticipating data needs at volumes we did not anticipate we would need 5 years 144 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:39,960 ago because of uh of AI and the computer power that's simply needed for that. 145 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:45,040 Uh and so we want to place a moratorium to try to make sure we do this to rules 146 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:48,120 that make sense. None of those None of those counties or towns are saying, "We 147 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,440 want to have a zoning ordinance that totally gets rid 148 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:56,120 of data centers." For exactly that reason. 149 00:10:54,400 --> 00:11:00,800 » So I just have a quick question. Um if the board of zoning says, "Okay, yeah, 150 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:05,640 we're going to grant this special exception." Does it still go to the 151 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:09,640 commissioners to approve after that or is it in there? 152 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:13,480 » It's there. The plan commission changes in the zoning ordinance ultimately have 153 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:18,200 to be approved by by the county commissioners. 154 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:20,120 Exceptions do not have to be changed. Approved. 155 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,600 » Yeah, that's where I was a little confused. I didn't know if the exception 156 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,920 would have to go there, but if it does, we're good. 157 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:30,720 » Right. >> Area plan has to go back to the town. 158 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:36,000 » The They that area plan commission has to 159 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:39,320 come to to well if a zoning ordinance is your planning 160 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:43,120 commission and the county commissioners are in 161 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,640 control of passing the county zoning ordinance. 162 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,120 That's their call. 163 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:57,960 » I thought we as town had the last call on 164 00:11:54,720 --> 00:12:01,760 area planning issues and not >> Well, I don't think on the overall 165 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:04,000 zoning ordinance I don't think you do. >> No, not on the zoning 166 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:07,880 » Yeah, right. That That's what we're talking about is the zoning ordinance 167 00:12:05,560 --> 00:12:10,920 itself. If they had a change in the zoning ordinance 168 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:15,960 Yeah. That's them. That's county commissioners that do that. 169 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:19,720 If it's a BZA thing it's an exception then 170 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:22,440 they come to you for your opinion and they get the final word but they've got 171 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,400 to have input from you. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 172 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,400 » We give you credit. 173 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,960 Any more questions on my topic number one here? 174 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:38,480 Okay. >> I have 175 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,920 » Sorry. >> I guess 176 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:50,640 explained to us the way it was or the way it is, I think it's probably in the 177 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:54,040 town's best interest to let the county handle it and 178 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,240 see what happens. Okay. 179 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:06,400 » Okay, so item number two, trails mediation and condemnation. 180 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:13,240 Um as you may recall we had in the purchase offers that were made from 181 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:19,480 USI in acquiring property for the trail. There was one landowner who was not 182 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:25,880 willing to agree and so we had to file a suit against him 183 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:32,520 in circuit court for condemnation. Now, condemnation requires first of all, 184 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:37,680 filing a complaint and then letting the affected party file any objections that 185 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:41,200 they might have to the need for condemnation. 186 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:44,320 Meaning, somebody can come in and say, "Well, we think the town's going to put 187 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:47,920 in an ice cream stand." And if the town doesn't really need an ice cream stand, 188 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,880 or that's not an appropriate government function, or what is There's several 189 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:54,920 different reasons. Uh and the affected landowner may note 190 00:13:52,800 --> 00:14:01,280 such objections. So, the next step is then to appoint a 191 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:08,080 panel of three appraisers who uh then value the property. 192 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:13,600 Once that appraisal report is in, if the town puts the amount of money in that 193 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:18,440 the appraisers say the property is worth, 194 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:21,640 then the property automatically becomes the town's. 195 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:26,200 And there would still be litigation later, potentially, if that guy says, 196 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:32,080 "Yeah, we know the report from the three appraisers was not sufficient, and I 197 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:35,760 want to argue about the actual value." But at that point, you own the property, 198 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:41,360 which is part of the what we're trying to do to get done here, to get the trail 199 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:45,080 project done, uh and uh get get that done in a timely fashion for grants and 200 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:48,560 all that stuff. Well, the headache I've had over the 201 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:52,360 last several weeks is finding three appraisers that would qualify to do the 202 00:14:50,839 --> 00:14:59,760 report. Uh one of them has to be a 203 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:03,200 a just a a free freeholder of the property, meaning they own land in 204 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:08,480 Kosciusko County. Well, I got that. That was getting a 205 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:11,920 retired person to do it. The other two, though, needed to be certified 206 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:15,200 appraisers, one of whom had to live within at least 50 miles of the affected 207 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:20,640 property. But there are not of a ton of certified 208 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:26,600 appraisers running around. And there are even fewer of those that 209 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:31,560 wish to take on this kind of project, which frankly is a little more 210 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:35,840 complex intellectually and probably a little bit less lucrative financially 211 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:40,480 than most of the appraisals appraisals appraisals they're doing for mortgage 212 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:45,160 companies and banks right now. But I finally found them. 213 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:51,120 Two weeks ago, the judge issued an order of instructions to them last week. 214 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:55,520 And hopefully we're going to have that appraisal in before the end of the 215 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,520 month. 216 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:03,360 Once that is in, I will file that appraisal and then the next step will be 217 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:06,880 for the town to come up with that amount of money. 218 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,960 And that's the funding thing with your consultants. I don't know where that 219 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,600 funding money comes from, but >> I got it. 220 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:16,160 » You got it. Um and so that'll be the next step in 221 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:19,200 that project. But I wanted to give you an update on that. 222 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:22,600 Uh the project the process has not been moving 223 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:26,960 quickly as I like and it's really because I've had a hard time finding 224 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,960 appraisers. 225 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:33,440 Um I I talked to the one of the folks your consultants uh and 226 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:37,520 he said, "Well, the judge is supposed to pick those." And I said, "Yeah, but when 227 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:41,320 we have those picked, the judge turns to me and says, 228 00:16:38,839 --> 00:16:44,800 'Okay, who should they be?'" The judge doesn't have a whole list of 229 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:48,160 appraisers that he goes out there he's asking me, "Okay, well, who do you who 230 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:51,080 do you have?" And 231 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:55,800 that's where that's where the struggle has been, but I finally got folks that 232 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:59,640 can can and told me they are willing to do it. 233 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:03,480 » And that amount could come in the appraisal amount could come in lower 234 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:06,959 than the original offer was or higher than the original offer. 235 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:10,760 » Sure. I might bet in this case it's going to come in lower. 236 00:17:09,199 --> 00:17:15,240 » That's what my question are we still obligated to the higher offer that we 237 00:17:13,360 --> 00:17:19,040 did do to keep from going court or will we actually pay what 238 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:25,680 » You will pay what the appraisals appraisers say is the value of the 239 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:29,960 property that you are receiving. And you know, you were willing to make a 240 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:34,760 higher offer because you're going to save costs for Well, for example, doing 241 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:38,240 the litigation that I'm involved with you in right now. 242 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:42,880 And that money that you would have given to him is now going to me and to a 243 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,880 praiser. 244 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,760 » So, effectively, it might be a wash. Cost wise. 245 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,600 » You hope you'll do better. >> I would hope so. 246 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,800 » Hopefully, yes. >> I think given what I know about the 247 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:57,600 numbers, I think the answer is you're well likely to do better than 248 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,600 that it could be a wash. 249 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:03,560 » Thank you very >> Okay. 250 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:06,040 Third thing is the Miller 251 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,560 The The Miller >> Swanson. 252 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:17,680 » Yeah. What's the word I'm thinking of? Uh it's not condemnation. The the Miller 253 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:25,000 demolition litigation. Uh and I have an affidavit which I'm going 254 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:29,800 to leave here and our very qualified pertrazier will round up the uh the 255 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:33,240 building commissioner to sign this affidavit. 256 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:37,920 I will then tender that with my own affidavit circuit court and hopefully we 257 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:42,840 will get an order that allows you to demolish the property. 258 00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:46,800 Uh if we do not uh and then I'm sure the judge will set it 259 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:50,560 for a hearing on whether we're entitled to get that. And that will just happen 260 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:55,200 as soon as possible. When I say that 261 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:58,400 might happen, it's because something very unusual happened in this case. We 262 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:04,640 talked about it a couple months ago, which is somebody purporting to be the 263 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:07,720 defendant's attorney in fact decided to file an answer, but they're not really 264 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:11,960 an attorney. So, it's actually it's an illegal 265 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:17,160 practice of a to do that. and the logic of that is fairly clear, 266 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:21,960 which is if you could just pass your own ability on to represent you to anybody 267 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:26,480 else, well, there'd be a lot of folks doing that, and there wouldn't be many 268 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:30,400 of us having jobs anymore. Uh so, 269 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:33,760 that that I don't know what the judge is going to do with that particular thing. 270 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:37,800 I have no idea. I have no question about what I would do if I were the judge, but 271 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:41,600 I'm not the judge, so that's why I wouldn't let him do that. But, I'm going 272 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:46,160 to bring this down to Trisha here after I get done talking, and I'm going to 273 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:49,480 assume that you can arrange for Scott to come in and sign that. If you 274 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,520 have any issues, just give me a call. >> Okay. 275 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,200 » So, that's the update on that. I know you all wanted an update on that as 276 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,000 well. >> Jay, I assume then will if we take on 277 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,360 the demolition and pay for the demolition, we'll put a lien on the 278 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:05,120 property to retrieve those costs. >> That is an expense that you can tax onto 279 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:10,200 the real estate, absolutely. >> What about the other properties? Is 280 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:12,680 there any word on them? >> Where are they? 281 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:15,600 » No, no, I haven't the I assume you're talking about the other 282 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,560 properties that we've sent letters to and have sent the reports to. 283 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,040 » Yeah. >> I'll take that. Sure thing. 284 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:22,600 » I thought you were going to take my microphone. 285 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:24,600 » Nope. >> Okay. 286 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,160 There you go. >> The one on Main Street and Fourth 287 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:31,040 Street. >> Yeah. 288 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:35,200 on that, but the means to go about the idea I think is you need to have a 289 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:39,800 building inspector that can look at it. And last I heard, that was lacking. 290 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:43,440 I'm not qualified to go and take a look at it and say whether this person is 291 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:47,600 complying with the orders or not. So, until you have somebody that can 292 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:50,640 say, "Yeah, he did comply." or "No, he didn't comply." 293 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:54,280 I'm kind of stuck. There's not much I can do after this. 294 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:56,040 » So, nothing's been done at all. Is that don't matter? You need a building 295 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,400 inspector. >> Yeah, there's nothing I can do. I I 296 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,760 mean, the only way I can answer that question is you go down there and look 297 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:06,480 at it yourself and see if anything's been done, but legally, there's nothing 298 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:12,120 I can do because I have to have somebody that can say, "Hey, that building 299 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:17,760 inspector's report was not abided by." And then if if if I get that, then there 300 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:21,680 are things that I can tell you you can do. But I'm not going to tell you you've 301 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:26,840 got rights to do anything until somebody knows more about those buildings or 302 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:30,640 buildings in general than I do says, "Yeah, okay. This is the things that we 303 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:33,120 asked to be done aren't done yet." >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 304 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,680 » So, that was a lot. Do you have anything else? That's all I've got. Do you have 305 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:43,280 anything else for me? >> Yeah, anything else for the attorney? 306 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,800 » Keep up the good work. >> Thank you. 307 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:53,600 » I guess we make a public service announcement that if there are any 308 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,360 building inspectors out there who would like 309 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:59,520 to come and inspect some properties, we'd like to hire them. 310 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:06,040 Okay. Anything else for the attorney? We're 311 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:09,560 moving on to public input. >> Mr. Wyatt? 312 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,400 » Up. >> You want Mike? 313 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,080 » I do. And Mike, you're up. 314 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,600 You're right, but 315 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:28,240 » I have two items for you tonight. Uh the first is a pay application on division A 316 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:32,360 waste water water treatment plant project. This is pay application number 317 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:35,840 12. Um On this pay application is more of the 318 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,720 continued progress on that project. A lot of it is internal plumbing, some of 319 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,960 the fixtures. Um 320 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:45,280 this one's a little bit smaller than the previous ones uh for $60,584.22. 321 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:53,160 $584.22. And we recommend approval. 322 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:57,240 » Once again, I'll ask you to do that fall within the guidelines of what we had. 323 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,720 » Yeah, everything out here is part of the bid prices. 324 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:03,600 » Okay, thank you. >> I make a motion we 325 00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:07,160 pay that bill. >> I'll second. 326 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:12,680 » You hear a motion made and seconded. All those in favor signify by saying aye. 327 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:16,280 Aye. Opposed same sign. Motion carried. >> And then the uh second item this is for 328 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:20,440 um proposed change order number three on 329 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:24,440 that same project. There's four items on this change order. I'll just go through 330 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:29,840 each one individually. Uh first um would be to install a new 331 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,840 hydrants on the system side of the treatment plant. 332 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:38,040 Um this kind of provides benefit for 333 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:42,200 uh establishing um and setting up the entire treatment plant. Gives them 334 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:47,320 another uh point of flushing. Um kind of also helps uh long term to have a second 335 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:51,120 uh hydrant. They now got hydrants on both sides. 336 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:57,640 The well side and the city side of the treatment plant. 337 00:23:53,080 --> 00:24:02,120 Uh second is uh adding a sample tap inside the uh waste water treat 338 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:07,360 inside the water treatment plant. Um right off the raw water uh line. 339 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:12,920 Um this would effectively um make taking raw water samples easier 340 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:19,360 uh for the town rather than having to go to the well building like you do now. 341 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:26,080 Uh third uh would be replacement of the VFDs on both existing supply well pumps. 342 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:32,800 Um this is kind of something that's come up during the project as we thought 343 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:37,760 about how to accomplish uh demoing the wall that is within the 344 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:43,560 existing well building. Um one of the VFDs is on that wall. 345 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:47,560 Our contractor has basically concluded that can be done. We can demo the wall 346 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:53,680 and relocate that VFD while while keeping um the other live. Uh but uh you 347 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:57,840 know, more discussion with the town. The thought was well, these VFDs are pushing 348 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:01,360 10 years old. It's not beyond their useful life, but 349 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:05,800 it's approaching it. Um and if we did replace them, then we 350 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:10,440 have the ability to relocate them into the new uh water treatment plant 351 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:15,480 building. So, there's a long-term value uh to that as well. 352 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:19,640 Uh and then lastly, if you recall, I mean I believe it was 353 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:23,920 change order one when we added exterior painting uh to the treatment plans. 354 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:29,560 Um that was an add of $20,580. 355 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:33,920 Well, since that time, um ARRO Odor has gone back to their 356 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:39,640 uh supplier and manufacturer of the block to further investigate why it was 357 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:42,320 having moisture coming through. You know, if you recall at that time, we 358 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:46,560 couldn't really determine if it was a short-term thing, if it was going to be 359 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:50,600 a long-term thing. We had a wet spring. The block was allegedly wet when it was 360 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,960 sitting on pallets ready to be installed. 361 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:58,480 Um they weren't really able to determine 362 00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:01,960 that there was any issue with the block, uh but they also weren't able to 363 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,680 completely eliminate the possibility, either. 364 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,960 Um and again, the the issue or the the issue in question 365 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,560 isn't necessarily the structural integrity of the block, it's just its 366 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:17,240 waterproofness. Um so, with amongst themselves, they 367 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:22,560 weren't really able to satisfy their own curiosity and the the material the block 368 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:27,640 supplier was willing to maintain a good relationship with the town, cover the 369 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:32,280 cost of that exterior painting. So, that's the fourth item here is to be 370 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:38,080 essentially deduct that value back out of the project. Um you know, and it's 371 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:43,360 money saved in in your guys's case. So, all four of those items uh come to a 372 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:46,360 total change order net increase of $39,715.00. 373 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:55,200 Also in this change order is a change a change in contract time, so it's an 374 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:59,080 add of 56 calendar days. That's essentially 375 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:02,440 because of the scheduling of needing to replace those VFDs. 376 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:06,080 That's going to be the very last thing they do. Demolishing that wall within 377 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:09,720 the well building, switching those VFDs into the treatment plant building. 378 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,440 So, our contractor is requesting some additional time to do that. 379 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:19,120 Um, we've made it clear that the intent isn't to slow down any other work, um, 380 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:22,800 to, you know, to block their schedule. Um, it's just the VFD the installation 381 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:27,040 that would go into that time. And I do believe that 56 days is probably 382 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:30,760 conservative, but, um, you know, we'd rather them ask for the 383 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:33,920 appropriate amount of time rather than, you know, exceed their their time 384 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,680 allowed. So, that's part of this change order as well. 385 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:41,280 Um, yes, we've reviewed it. All of the 386 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,280 costs, um, 387 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:47,480 we've got, uh, no issues there. Uh, we recommend approval if that's, um, if 388 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:52,880 these are all items that the town would be interested in. As far as the overall 389 00:27:49,760 --> 00:28:00,200 project, we've got about $150,000 in contingency on the project as well. So, 390 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:04,880 these added costs would be part of the the, uh, the SRF funds. 391 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:11,320 Happy to take any questions. >> Question, Ryan. 392 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:18,000 Does the 56-day extension create any create any issues with the grant itself? 393 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,720 » No. No, the time frame with SRF is not an issue, no. 394 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:23,640 » Okay. >> No, they they typically SRF usually 395 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:28,040 states that they like all funds to be spent within 2 years, but historically 396 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:32,400 they never penalize when something gets added and that extends the time frame. 397 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:36,240 They know a lot of these projects, while they have very long construction 398 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,840 durations, you add work to them, that's obviously going to impact the schedule. 399 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,600 So, no, there's not going to be any issues with 400 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:47,240 with the time frame from SRF, no. >> Ryan, I think I can speak loudly enough. 401 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:50,040 I don't need a microphone. That's good. So, backwash tank, where are you on 402 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,760 that? Where are they on that? 403 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,480 » Yeah, the the issue with that has been >> the water. 404 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,240 » that. >> Yes. 405 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:02,840 So, we talked about it a little bit at the last progress meeting. Um, 406 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:07,360 a good amount and then Stephen gave an kind of another update today. 407 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:10,600 Um, essentially they've been going on this for 3 to 4 408 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,600 months. Um, 409 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:17,600 That's why you see Yeah, going back 3 to 4 months, very 410 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:21,600 wet. Uh, the ground water was higher than typical. 411 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:25,720 Uh, when we originally when we designed the project, we took soil borings and 412 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:31,280 those soil borings logged uh, ground water depth of about 7 to 8 ft deep. 413 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:35,200 So, that's what they're, you know, uh, basically told to anticipate in a normal 414 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:39,600 water condition at the time of the year that those borings uh, were taken. 415 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:43,680 Um, probably their initial attempt at 416 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:48,000 dewatering, which was essentially a trash pump in its zone, was 417 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,080 insufficient. You know, a couple months went by, 418 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:54,280 you know, we did have very heavy rains so they weren't exactly incentivized to 419 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,680 hurry things up because of the driving weather. 420 00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:02,920 Uh, but it simply wasn't successful. Didn't get the pit dry enough to put 421 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:08,440 backfill, actually do this is a this is a a cast in place tank so they need 422 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:13,480 time to to uh, have it all formed and and dry for an extended period of time. 423 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:16,840 About, uh, I would say 2 to 3 weeks ago they got 424 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:21,920 a different company to do the dewatering. They set up well points 425 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:26,280 um, with a much, much larger pump. Uh, if you've been to the site you've seen 426 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:30,840 it. Um, it's basically a kind of like a a little trailer but uh, much larger 427 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:35,240 pump, much more capable of dewatering as they need to. Uh, they did successfully 428 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:40,680 dewater um, down to the depths they needed uh, but then they 429 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:45,160 probably, I don't know, this is more of an opinion thing but lacked uh, 430 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:48,880 sufficient earth retention to keep the sides from caving in. Cuz now you've 431 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,520 kind of taken a lot of that moisture that's kind of holding a lot of that 432 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:55,400 sand back. So, they've had 433 00:30:53,640 --> 00:31:01,520 I believe it's the north side of their excavation cave in and that knocked out 434 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:04,440 some of their their well points. And basically they had to shut down their 435 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:08,920 pumps and then so the water came back up. So, they're basically reestablishing 436 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:13,600 their excavation now. They've got the right method of of 437 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:18,200 dewatering in place and can continue to proceed with 438 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:23,680 actually getting it suitable to start forming up and placing that backwash 439 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:28,760 tank. So, they've noted that's been a a point of delay for them. 440 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:32,000 Now, at what point does it become a critical path thing where it actually 441 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:35,560 slows the completion of the project? I'm not certain we're at that point. At our 442 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,240 last progress meeting they didn't say we were at that point. 443 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,400 Um but 444 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,200 you know, it's just that there's not a whole lot of other items that are 445 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:47,360 impacted by the backwash tank. It's kind of its own 446 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,000 thing. All of the work with the treatment plant keeps, you know, 447 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:54,360 » No, I understand that. >> Yeah. But that's that's as much as 448 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,760 I know. At least in my opinion, they didn't 449 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,560 really have the right method at the beginning. 450 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,560 But I think they're on the right track now. 451 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,760 Yeah. >> Do you see them sticking with that plan 452 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:10,120 or is there a possibility they would have There would have to be some 453 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,600 re-engineering take place to make something work? 454 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,000 » No, I think >> My concern is 455 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:19,040 are are we going to end up seeing a bill because 456 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:22,120 whoever didn't do it properly >> Yeah, that's a problem. That's a 457 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,040 reasonable concern, but no. Every I think that they've never asked for any 458 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,320 costs or anything ahead of that and they really don't have any grounds to. 459 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:32,120 » That's what I wanted to make sure of. >> Basically, the way our construction 460 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:35,640 drawings show this is what you should expect the ground water to be at. It 461 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:40,400 does give recommendations for dewatering, for earth retention. 462 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:44,000 whether or not they they use all those recommendations, that's that's that's 463 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:47,680 their methods and that's their report. >> Okay, thank you. 464 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:53,200 » Brian, I got a question going back to the 150,000. 465 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:57,320 » Please use the microphone. Thank you. >> When you said we had 150,000, that was a 466 00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:04,040 surplus and we're going to take basically the 30,000 off of that. So, 467 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,040 » Yes. 40,000 I should say. 468 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,440 » There you I'm not used to this, but anyway. Uh 469 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,360 » Yes, that's exactly right. >> So, that takes us down to 110, but we're 470 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:15,840 still at a surplus. >> Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. Um the 471 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:20,680 project after one it closed with us around had a 5% contingency. So, that's 472 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:25,480 the amount that every change order we add to it each project comes out. It's 473 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:29,280 so it's dollars that are in the loan, but not allocated to anything. 474 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:33,400 » And it was actually 59,000, but we got 20,000 credit for the paint. Then they 475 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,520 decided to take care of it for us. >> That's exactly right. 476 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,200 » I just want to make sure my understanding was correct. 477 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:44,480 » Yeah, and to give you a even bigger picture too on division B, 478 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:47,840 the water main and service project, um we're looking to assemble a change order 479 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:53,480 for that one, but it will be a change order to use unused dollars on that one. 480 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:58,760 It won't the the the point the the target isn't to exceed that original 481 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:03,040 contract amount with that. So, um yeah, 482 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:08,120 you you you'd still have about 110,000 that's unallocated to anything. 483 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,120 » All right, thank you. 484 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,560 » Any other questions? 485 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:25,440 » I'll make a motion we pay the uh I'll make a motion we pay the 39,000 486 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:29,200 and some change. >> I'll second. 487 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:32,200 » What was the exact number? >> $39,715.00 488 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,080 » $39,715.00 489 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,919 » Zero. >> Zero. 490 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:43,800 » Zero cents. >> Be a motion made and a second. All those 491 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,720 in favor signify by saying aye. >> Aye. 492 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,080 » The votes are inside. Motion carried. >> Thank you. 493 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,840 » Any other questions for Robert? 494 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,920 You got the good one. 495 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:10,640 Moving on to WHR Home Insurance. >> All right. So, we have our general 496 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:15,920 insurance renewal that is up. Yeah. 497 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:18,800 Um and so, our agent is here and our agent's assistant. 498 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,440 » Perfect. >> I know, right? Um are here and I will 499 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:26,320 let them introduce themselves. Um basically, we have our renewal amount 500 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,120 and he spoke to my folks, but he'll tell you the details. 501 00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:34,520 Blue for all of us. >> What's that? 502 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,920 » The microphone is new for all of us. >> All right. Good evening. Uh thanks for 503 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:42,240 having us. Peter Shepherd and Mike Hall from Billyard Hall Insurance. 504 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:47,800 Uh thank you for your partnership. I I really appreciate it. Um here to 505 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:53,520 kind of go over uh the '26-'27 uh year for your insurance. Um 506 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,960 kind of give you a high-level overview of what we got. Um 507 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:01,080 we can certainly spend a lot of time in the details. Um 508 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:04,600 I've sent Trisha a proposal. Uh looks like this. 509 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:08,640 I've spent the last uh couple months here putting together some numbers. Uh 510 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:12,080 so, kind of give you a brief out- outline. 511 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:18,880 In totality, the policy from last year to the upcoming year increased about 6%, 512 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:22,320 which is about $4,000 of premium. Uh we all felt comfortable with this 513 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:25,480 renewal percentage. Um the market is seeing anywhere from 10 to 514 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:29,360 15%. Um that's after speaking with the 515 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:33,360 underwriter multiple times again over the last couple months. Um, 516 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:36,360 it's kind of an indication of what the market is doing. 517 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:40,480 Uh, it's shifted to become a soft market. Things will start to be more 518 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:45,800 competitive, rates coming down. Uh, so I think in tandem with soft market, 519 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:50,480 um, and your your percentage year-to-year both in percentage and 520 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:54,160 premium wise, we felt comfortable. Uh, however, to make sure that it's 521 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:57,800 competitive for you and it's, uh, aligned with what you want, um, in 522 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,280 terms of cost, uh, I spent some time going out to 523 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:04,480 market to re-market the account, uh, which is pretty standard. So, 524 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,880 um, went out to a couple different markets. 525 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:13,040 All came back not competitive, either at what this renewal was or more. 526 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,880 Um, and so again, kind of solidify that point, we felt 527 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:20,920 like, uh, the insurance renewal was 528 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,920 competitive. So, 529 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:27,080 that's kind of a high-level overview. I said, "Okay, answer questions my client 530 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:30,480 might have to, um, like I said, thanks, but 531 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:34,800 that's kind of what we had presented. 532 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:38,760 » And I just have to say like Peter tolerates me, I'm sure at best, but 533 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:42,360 we've gone through a lot of the different parts of the policy with the 534 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:47,160 clients who's calling and has found some other things, um, along the way, and 535 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,640 he's always, uh, looked into it, resolved the issue that we had, and 536 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:55,800 we've been able to work through some of the challenges, um, but making sure that 537 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:59,600 our policy is correct, and we're actually covered for 538 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:03,720 all the appropriate things is a lot of work. So, we meet like every quarter and 539 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:07,400 go over a different aspect of it because it's very time consuming for both of us. 540 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:11,360 And so, I just wanted to tell you guys how much I appreciate how much time he 541 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:14,800 puts in to make sure that our stuff is accurate because he doesn't technically 542 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:18,240 have to, but if he wants to keep our business, he 543 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:21,360 does, you know, that. But, we we just want to stop encountering 544 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:25,400 some of these problems that we've been encountering. So, um I just wanted to 545 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,200 let you guys know that I appreciate his help with that. 546 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,160 » I have one question. Um 547 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:42,760 you're calling our water treatment plant, I'm assuming our new facility. Is 548 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:46,360 that what's on this policy? >> Correct. 549 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:50,320 » And the those replacement costs are reflective of 550 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,480 what it would cost to replace that facility? 551 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:57,520 » Yeah. So in the report that I have, there's a 552 00:38:54,680 --> 00:39:01,920 statement of values, and so we can we can reference that if you'd like, but 553 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,320 » Well, I I Well, I you're the personal property, is that the equipment inside 554 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:08,680 the building? >> Yeah, so any any piece of equipment or 555 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:12,400 anything that's movable within buildings can be put under what we call business 556 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:16,160 personal property. >> Well, I have an issue with that because 557 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:19,720 the one component in there is 4.5 million dollars. 558 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,600 And your your replacement cost is far more 559 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:26,040 » It's not the new filtration plant. >> Oh, okay, I'm sorry. That's That was 560 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,040 what I wanted to clarify. >> We will have to add that one to it goes 561 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,600 live. >> Okay, once it goes live. And have me 562 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,360 » Cuz you have to have the construction finished. Like right now it's in 563 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,240 construction. >> That's That was my That was my concern 564 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,680 and my question. >> Yeah, I assume you have what's called a 565 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:45,480 builder's risk policy. I don't think that's a separate policy that covers 566 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:50,320 whatever it is you're building. >> Okay. I I'm just This is going to She 567 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:54,040 just made She clarified the biggest question I had. It is not covered yet. 568 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,800 » Correct. >> That is That is the question because 569 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,280 this didn't make any sense at all. For that. 570 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,800 » Yep. >> No offense, but 571 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:05,200 » No. >> That's all I That was it. 572 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:12,720 » Yeah, I'll just add a secondary note. Um in this proposal document, um 573 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:16,800 I've also towards the end made some considerations, so things that I would 574 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,640 want to bring to the table just for you to consider. 575 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:23,480 Um so you can take a deeper dive into that and have any answered questions at 576 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:26,680 a different time. But um something that I 577 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,880 uh in talking with my colleagues um wanted to make a mention of what's 578 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:33,400 called social engineering and invoice manipulation. 579 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:37,720 Uh with the increase in all of AI that is about to 580 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:41,240 uh be fold on onto us. Um there's some things that I think 581 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:45,000 I'd like to talk about or discuss at some point uh just so you can think 582 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:48,360 think about um going in the future. So I I paid a note 583 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,200 of that consideration at the end of the document. So 584 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,800 » Do we have any other questions for the insurance people? 585 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:11,440 If not, do we have a motion to adopt? >> I make a motion we renew our insurance. 586 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:15,680 » I'll second it. >> Being a motion made and seconded, all 587 00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:18,800 those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. 588 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:22,280 » Opposed, same sign. Motion carries. >> I'd like to just say thank you for 589 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:26,880 allowing us to help for all these years. So we appreciate 590 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:30,160 the opportunity that you give to us and if you have any questions, just please 591 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:34,200 let us know. >> Thank you. 592 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,200 » Thank you very much. 593 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:50,520 » You're welcome. >> Uh first of all, the Milford Lions Club 594 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:54,400 would like to thank Brenda and Trisha. We called in an 595 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:59,840 emergency last week when we saw the weather might be raining Saturday and we 596 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:03,680 don't need a bunch of elders out trying to get in the pavilion during the storm. 597 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:07,160 So we were able to heat the building and we ended up using it. So we just wanted 598 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,760 to say thank you from the Milford Lions Club. I know you guys have a lot going 599 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:14,560 on, but you saved our butts on that one. 600 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:18,880 Appreciate it. Second of all, I just want to let 601 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:23,800 everybody know about our fish fry this Saturday. It's a drive-thru fish fry. 602 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:28,160 It's to support the Milford Lions Club and the Milford Lions Festival 603 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:32,560 because Milford Lions Club used to earn its money for our Christmas party and 604 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:36,760 everything from Polk Auction. Polk Auction is no longer Polk Auction, so we 605 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:40,520 don't have that ability to earn the money. So, this is our first fish fry 606 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:45,040 we're trying with the Eagles from Syracuse helping us 607 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:49,400 and we're splitting the profits 50/50 and we encourage people to come out and 608 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:53,400 help us and support us. And that's all I got. 609 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:57,960 It's at Mr. Ruedisueli. The drive-thru. Mr. Ruedisueli is 610 00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:03,200 letting us use their electricity to fry it and we'll have an entrance off of 15 611 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:07,720 and an exit out the side of Mr. Ruedisueli and that way we keep traffic 612 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:13,440 flowing. It's carryout only. Seven pieces of fish for $15 or four pieces 613 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:18,200 for $10 and we'll have baked beans for $4 as a side. 614 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:20,000 » And as a side note, too, you can get pre-sent tickets. 615 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,400 » Yes. >> So, Mr. Smiley 616 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,360 » I have plenty of them. >> And they're going to get food truck 617 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,800 Friday tickets. >> All right. We will be selling food truck 618 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:33,040 Friday tickets for food truck Friday because we Milford lets us be there and 619 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:39,480 we appreciate all their help. We're just We only ordered 175 lb of fish and I've 620 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:43,720 sold 11 lb so far and four other pounds have been sold. That's where we're at. 621 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,640 So, we can use all the help we can get to 622 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:51,320 blow this one out of the water and start making it a tradition to make money for 623 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:55,840 the Lions Club because we need to have a way to support our Lions Club where we 624 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:59,360 can keep supporting our community. >> What are the times? 625 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:05,920 » 11:00 to 4:00. Pre-sold tickets are good till 2:00 p.m. 626 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:10,520 And we're having it rain or or because we don't know what the weather is, cuz 627 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:15,560 they don't know what it is. >> And when you say you're splitting the 628 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:20,720 amount 50/50, who's the two 50/50? >> 50% to the Milford Lions administration 629 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:25,400 fund. That's how we have our Christmas party and everything. We have two funds 630 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:29,760 since we're nonprofit. We have a fund where we earn money, we can actually 631 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:33,480 have like our Christmas party and pay for it cuz we 632 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:36,640 that's our biggest thing for the the Lions Club itself is in the families 633 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:40,960 because we get Santa Claus 634 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:45,120 kids and it's a big thing and it costs a lot of money. Well, Polk Auction used to 635 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:48,600 pay us twice a year to go out there and set and we would check tickets when 636 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:53,400 people would leave the auction to make sure they paid for what they were 637 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:56,720 getting. Well, Polk Auction is no longer there. 638 00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:01,160 So, we no longer have that availability to earn the money. So, we're trying to 639 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:05,600 do this as a new way to earn money. And we're hoping it is a success and we 640 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:10,480 do it next year. Luckily, we have the Eagles from 641 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:13,080 Syracuse helping us do this and it helps keep our costs down. 642 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,360 » So, the Eagles are getting the other 50%? 643 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:20,200 » No. No, the Eagles do not get one penny. Let me make They actually help donate 644 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:23,880 the fish. Last time they donated the chicken. 645 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:28,680 The Milford Lions Club general fund will get 50% of the profit and the Milford 646 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:35,360 Lions Festival for 2027 will get the other 50% of the profit. The Eagles are 647 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,360 not taking anything at all. 648 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,800 And we're just hoping for it to be a success. 649 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,280 » Perfect. >> Thank you. 650 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:49,720 » Thank you, Jerem. Yeah, I know. 651 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:53,800 Want everybody to support the Lions Club here. 652 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:58,400 Uh do we have any other public input before we get to departmental reports? 653 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,000 Okay, Fire Department. 654 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,520 » I have nothing. 655 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,880 » Anything for the Fire Department? >> Keep up good work. 656 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,880 » Thanks. >> Keep up the good work. 657 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:26,080 » Thank you. >> Police Department 658 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:29,280 » I just have one item for discussion. We are currently 659 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:33,680 » Mr. White >> with uh 660 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:36,920 the school for a new contract. >> New contract? 661 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:42,520 » For the SRO. And while we are in that process, we 662 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:46,640 have money left over from the 663 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:46,640 previous year 664 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:53,680 from the council to use those funds under the old 665 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:59,080 contract from the previous year until we 666 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,080 establish the new contract. 667 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:05,000 » Town >> Do you foresee it taking 668 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:08,080 longer than we have money to pay an SRO? >> No. 669 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,080 » Okay. 670 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:21,080 » I'll put a motion if we have the money left over that we pay it. We need that 671 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:25,480 have it in there then when the school catches up, if they 672 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:30,160 do catch up. Not to exceed 90 days right now though 673 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,960 because I don't know how much money we have in there 674 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:37,080 left. >> 90 days is a good estimate. 675 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:38,960 » Just over $4,000, isn't it? >> It's actually almost six, but 676 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,320 » Okay. >> As the current 677 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:47,520 contract or previous year contract, what is left in the funds will cover about 3 678 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:51,520 months. So, 90 days is appropriate. >> Well, I'll I'll put it for 90 days. 679 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:57,080 » I'll second. >> We have a motion made and seconded to 680 00:47:54,000 --> 00:48:00,520 allow the payment to occur for 90 days. All those in favor signify by saying I. 681 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:04,520 » I. >> Opposed? 682 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:09,120 Opposed say sign. Motion carried. >> Is there anything else? 683 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,120 » Okay, good work. 684 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,200 Wastewater. 685 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:24,440 I don't know if you guys know this or not, but the main lift rehab structure 686 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:28,680 has been completed. Um they just need to pick up their 687 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:32,920 equipment for the bypass they had. They haven't done that yet. 688 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,040 But uh Ken Long stopped in and took a look at it. It looks real good and they 689 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,120 can. >> Yeah. 690 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:44,920 Interesting. >> Yeah, it's interesting how they do that. 691 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:49,680 Um also um somehow within the last month or so, we ended up losing our wastewater 692 00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:56,840 treatment sign out there out front of our wastewater department. 693 00:48:52,360 --> 00:49:01,200 So, I am looking into replacing it. So, you might be seeing a quote for the 694 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:05,600 next meeting on that one. I've looked the stream, the fields, rode 695 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:10,440 around in my side-by-side out in the field behind my house. I cannot find it. 696 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:13,480 So, I think maybe it grew a pair of legs. 697 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:23,800 Okay, underneath the street department, uh reminder of everybody to everybody 698 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:30,120 that our fall clean up in 20 2026 is September 24th through the 26th. 699 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:34,040 Any information that you need to get on that, which I have some flyers that you 700 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:39,960 will have here what, beginning of September? 701 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:45,120 At town hall, so you can read those. Also, 702 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:50,200 this is an asking for DLZ. DLZ is the general contractor that will be building 703 00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:56,000 the new post office. Um they are out asking if they can block 704 00:49:52,680 --> 00:50:02,320 the parking spots on the west M line, on west M line next to the new post office 705 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:06,520 project. So, those ones there on the north side of M line, those four parking 706 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,960 lots, and I think there's a couple of non-parking areas. 707 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:14,360 They want to place a storage construction container there. 708 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:21,040 So, they can put their stuff in there cuz there won't be any room 709 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:25,200 inside there when they're demoing. So, they're asking the board if they can 710 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:29,080 do that, and it They're saying something somewhere around 4 to 5 months. So, then 711 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,240 I'm assuming they're going to have it out there the whole time. 712 00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:37,960 » What's that going to do for plow and snow? 713 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:43,480 » Well, we'll just have to plow around them, I guess, Tony. 714 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:46,480 You won't be able to plow the snow in that area. Nobody will be allowed to 715 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:50,040 park there, so >> Well, I'm not 716 00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:54,240 I don't want friction from them because because we have to plow snow around that 717 00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:57,080 container, and it very well might They might have to dig 718 00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,880 it or something. >> dig it out. They might have to take a 719 00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:05,360 pail or not a pail or but shovel or something, 720 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:08,240 but shovel and clean that out. >> That was 721 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:11,360 my question, too. Is I got I mean, are you guys going to backdrag so they can 722 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:16,240 get in the doors, or are we going to be responsible We'll have that time. 723 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:20,160 » going to try our best not to bury the entrance to it. Now, along the side, 724 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:23,800 that would be different, but to the entrance to it, you know, we can try our 725 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:26,240 best you know, plow it in. 726 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,520 » So, what you don't think that's going to interfere with your time doing that? Cuz 727 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:33,720 backdragging takes more, we know. >> Yeah, I think we'll be just fine. We got 728 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:38,080 to backdrag some of those areas anyway, so 729 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:42,040 » If they don't like it, they can move it. >> Okay, make a motion. 730 00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:44,400 » I'll make a motion we allow them to have it. 731 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,640 Um, put the storage container in the parking 732 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:53,000 spots there on the north side of the demolition area 733 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:58,280 for the demolition crew. >> It'll be on the south side of the 734 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,280 demolition area on ML Street. 735 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:03,120 » South side, yeah. >> North side of ML Street. 736 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:09,560 » Could I modify that just a little bit? I want 737 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:14,960 you, Stephen, to work with them and tell them, "Okay, I We want it here." 738 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:18,640 Because we need to keep it away from the intersection just a little bit. We don't 739 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:22,600 want to block I understand the sidewalk's going to be blocked, but 740 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:26,640 we've got kids that walk through there. I don't want someone to not see a child, 741 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:31,480 so it's going to have to be back far enough from the intersection 742 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:34,640 that we don't have that situation. So, they can put it there provided you tell 743 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,360 them exactly where they're going to put it. 744 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:40,520 » Okay. I think >> I second the motion so amended. 745 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:48,640 » Okay, we have a motion and amendment. Second. All those in favor signify by 746 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,560 saying aye. >> Aye. 747 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,640 » Aye. >> Opposed same sign. Motion carries. 748 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:57,120 » Obviously, the sidewalk that's right in front of the building is not going to be 749 00:52:55,080 --> 00:53:00,840 walkable anymore, either. I mean, it's not really walkable now. There isn't 750 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:04,280 much of a room there. For the public safety, you know, not to 751 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,080 go right there in front of the building while they're 752 00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:13,240 demoing it. Also, on the water department, um 753 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:17,720 our cleaning and inspection of the water tower is now complete. 754 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:23,080 Um we do have our mixer running now. 755 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:28,640 So, that is helping with the keeping the chlorine residuals maintained and also 756 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:33,560 keeping the sediments from building up on the bottom of that water tower. 757 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:37,760 I have not got that report back yet. But, just from talking to the guys, 758 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:43,160 they're thinking we could go a few more years on the paint. 759 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,160 So, that's a good thing. 760 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:55,000 Also, moving on to the parks department, I'm asking permission to purchase a 2016 761 00:53:51,680 --> 00:54:00,280 Kawasaki Kawasaki 4010 mule to help the park attendance 762 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:05,680 duties. Um, for whatever we have had out there 763 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:11,280 now, I think we bought it like in 2008 or 2009 and it was used then. 764 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:16,840 Um, this would help him is actually has a it's a utility side-by-side. 765 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:20,760 Um, so it has a bed on the back end of it 766 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:24,200 to help hold the tools and possibly load, you know, trash or sticks or 767 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:31,080 whatever else in there. Um, I have two quotes from uh for two 768 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:36,640 different ways on this Kawasaki. Um, from Lake City Honda Kawasaki of Warsaw. 769 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:43,040 One is with a 3-year service agreement, which is an extended warranty. Um, 770 00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,040 that's for $8,999.72. 771 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:52,400 And then with the no service contract, that's a straight-up as is, uh, it'd be 772 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,400 $7,361.72. 773 00:54:55,720 --> 00:55:01,280 I have drove the machine. I've inspected the machine best of my abilities. I 774 00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:07,240 didn't see anything with it before they even cleaned it up and I didn't see any 775 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,240 problems with it. 776 00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:16,240 And he's got money in the budget for that. 777 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,240 We have any discussion or motion? 778 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:23,240 » Well, between the two of three of us, what do we think is the best option? 779 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:31,320 » The 3-year service contract included or without? 780 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:34,840 » I think it's a lot for a 3-year service contract, my personal opinion. 781 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:38,400 » $1,600? >> Yeah. 782 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:43,120 » It's a used machine, we take a gamble. I think it's worth the gamble. 783 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:46,440 » I think it's worth it, too. I mean, I think if we keep it serviced 784 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:50,920 and all the more it's going to be used, I don't think it's worth paying $1,600 785 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,920 extra. 786 00:55:53,040 --> 00:56:02,000 » I would make the motion that the blacks has got to be sold via to accept the 787 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:06,400 quote for the as is cost of $7,261. 788 00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:07,440 » Something keeps on >> 300 789 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,600 » 300 >> 300 790 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:15,400 » I'll second that motion. >> Been a motion made and seconded. All of 791 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:18,200 those in favor signify by saying I. Opposed signify 792 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,680 Thank you. 793 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:54,160 » Steven, I have to say I got a grandchild that's 15 months old 794 00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:57,240 and last week my wife wanted to take our grand baby to the park for the first 795 00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:00,480 time. We went to Syracuse and looked at their 796 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:05,520 parks and they're beautiful parks and everything, but we couldn't find a swing 797 00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:09,200 where a baby could sit in that little bucket swing 798 00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:12,160 till we got to Milford. Now, I didn't get out and look at every individual 799 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:15,760 thing in Syracuse, but I looked at it from the road. 800 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:19,360 We could see it clearly from Milford and that's where she ended up taking our 801 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:23,160 grand baby and I I just thought it was great that we ended up in our own 802 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:26,960 hometown park because she wanted to go to Syracuse and I said, "Let's look at 803 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:31,440 them all." And we ended up in Milford. She did, I didn't, but I just thought it 804 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,880 was neat that the park looks good. >> Thank you. 805 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:43,920 » We have anything else for waste water, storm water, street water at all? 806 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,920 » Keep up the good work. 807 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:54,360 » Moving on to the clerk. We have a motion to allow me to sign the 808 00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:56,720 bank reconciliation statement. >> I'll make that motion. 809 00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:00,080 » I'll second it. >> You have a motion made and seconded to 810 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,240 allow us to pay the Commonwealth >> Aye. 811 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:05,040 » Aye. >> Opposed same sign, motion carries. 812 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:38,400 Commonwealth invoice. >> All right, so I think the right is this 813 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,920 way. Um 814 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:45,400 so this is just the monthly Commonwealth invoice for the water project 815 00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:49,960 uh for the filtration plant. And it is for $34,377.96. 816 00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:02,480 » Do we have a motion to approve the Commonwealth invoice? 817 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:07,040 » Just one question, Trisha, on the bottom of the document I have there's an 818 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:09,120 additional 750. Is that second? >> It's a different 819 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:14,720 » Different coming up. I make a motion we pay the Commonwealth 820 00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:18,080 invoice for 37,000 plus. >> I'll second it. 821 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:21,760 » You have a motion made and seconded to allow us to pay the Commonwealth 822 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,120 invoice. All those in favor signify by saying aye. 823 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,800 » Aye. >> Aye. 824 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:28,920 » Opposed same sign, motion carries. >> Yeah, sorry. I just didn't take that out 825 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:33,720 before I scanned it. >> No, I didn't know if it was an add-on or 826 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:38,440 » That was the first ever contract that you guys approved for the water bottle. 827 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,440 » Okay, should okay. 828 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:47,200 Okay, ordinance 2026 stage five dealing with a salary ordinance amendment. 829 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:51,000 » All right, so it's not in here either. Yeah, nobody leave it only today. No, 830 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:56,320 I'm just kidding. So, this um salary ordinance is for a 50 cent per hour 831 00:59:54,160 --> 01:00:01,200 increase from 5 because he passed his first license for the pesticide 832 00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:04,680 uh training that you guys had approved at the last meeting. So, this is the 833 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:08,320 first of probably hopefully two to come when he passes the second license, but 834 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:12,040 he got that seeding time or about it, but he got that license. 835 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:16,560 » Yeah, he got the core exam. He passed the core exam, so he did pass half of 836 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:21,680 it. So, now he's a registered technician. He can spray under my 837 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:25,000 supervision. >> I make a motion we raise his pay 50 838 01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,480 cents like we >> I agree with you. 839 01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:31,560 » I second. >> Here's the motion being seconded. All 840 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:36,440 those in favor signify by saying aye. >> Aye. 841 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,440 » Vote says aye. Motion carries. 842 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:51,000 Fiber network at the filtration plant. >> All right, so this is also kind of a 843 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:56,840 joint Steven thing. Steven and Steven work really, really hard. 844 01:00:53,800 --> 01:01:01,320 Um so, they want to get fiber at the new water filtration plant. 845 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:05,760 And so, there's a proposal from Goshen Fiber Network who's really typically 846 01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:10,840 used for fiber and phone. Um and there is a 847 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:15,600 agreement here that you have to sign. It's a site upgrade of $1,299 848 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:22,040 set fee. And then there is a monthly fee of $270 849 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:26,320 for the lowest of the two options that they had. and when I talked to him about 850 01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:31,560 it, he said the lowest option would be fine, the 250 meg 851 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:36,160 thing is the 3-year term that we had to agree to and since that's more than our 852 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:39,160 approval authority, you guys have to approve of getting that since it's not 853 01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:42,120 existing. So, um 854 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:46,640 just want to make sure if you guys want that, but he did talk to Bill Anderson 855 01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:48,520 about what is needed for the um 856 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,160 what do you call it? >> telemetry 857 01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:54,040 » Yeah, telemetry system. >> telemetry and SCADA 858 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:57,080 » Yeah, and SCADA, that's what I was thinking of. 859 01:01:55,120 --> 01:02:03,200 Um so, it should be sufficient um according to Bill Anderson who is our 860 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,200 installer for those services. 861 01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:15,080 » Okay, do we have any further discussion on the fiber network agreement? 862 01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:15,080 If not, then we have a motion to accept. 863 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,800 » I make a motion we accept the 250 meg. 864 01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:24,680 » the lower >> Yeah. 865 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:29,600 » the lower of the two if it's sufficient and we are 866 01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:33,200 confident it will service the need. That makes the most sense. We don't need 867 01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:36,600 more than we need. >> It's a 3-year term, correct? 868 01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:40,280 » Yes. >> I'll second. 869 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:44,920 » Yeah, the motion has been seconded. All those in favor signify by saying aye. 870 01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:47,320 Aye. Opposed, signify by saying nay. The motion carries. 871 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:11,680 Okay, next item. 872 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:20,400 » All right, so as part of the construction process, uh 873 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:25,200 we have a couple items that we would request for the council to declare 874 01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:30,160 excess so that we can research avenues to install them. 875 01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:33,000 So, um Steven might be able to help me out some 876 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:38,760 of that, but the the first item is the generator that is 877 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:40,200 at the existing water treatment plant, right, Steven? 878 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:45,760 » Yes. >> And so, we had discussed previously in 879 01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:49,240 different meetings that um it was to be taken offline and we were going to maybe 880 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:54,440 use it somewhere else where the town could use it, but technically even this 881 01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:58,680 found that can't be used anywhere. Um potentially, I guess you could say. 882 01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:04,960 » It's too small for their main lift station and it's too big for the other 883 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:10,720 ones. I mean, it's way over killed. >> And then the other item that has come up 884 01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:15,400 is a transformer box. We are getting a new one in the water 885 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:22,440 filtration plant, and so we have an old one that 886 01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:27,400 two of them We have two old ones that uh have some value to someone. 887 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:30,680 And so, in order for us to sell those or get rid of those, um 888 01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:34,280 we'll have We have to follow certain processes, but the first part of that 889 01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:38,760 process is for you guys to deem it excess and then we can research 890 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:42,600 how we're going what process we're going to use to get rid of it. So, my idea 891 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:48,120 would be to check with my preferred option, right, to see if it can be done 892 01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:50,720 there, at which time I'll come back to you guys and see if you want to set a 893 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:56,960 reserve, or we can advertise it and accept bids 894 01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:59,520 if um M.A.S.K. doesn't want to do that. And there's other ways that we can do 895 01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:03,320 it, too, but those probably would be my top two to look into 896 01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:07,440 um if you guys are interested in doing that. 897 01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:09,960 » My opinion, and my opinion only, would be that 898 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:16,120 we would look into M.A.S.K.'s selling the items 899 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:20,000 in an auction sale for us because with the amount of traffic they have and 900 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:26,000 and advertising of it, I think we get the highest and greatest value so versus 901 01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:29,120 trying to advertise ourself and and take bids. 902 01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:33,080 » I just have one question about that generator. This is a 903 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:42,600 This is a what is. Would there be any 904 01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:47,560 use for that generator at Farview? 905 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:50,760 » Over at the campground. >> Okay. So, the one you have is sufficient 906 01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:53,000 for the needs there. >> Yeah. 907 01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,680 » That was my question. 908 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:11,080 » I'll put a motion that we I'll put a motion that we uh 909 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:14,720 get with Mettler and start an auction to get rid of it instead of losing value 910 01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:19,640 just sitting around. >> I'll second. 911 01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:23,640 » Any motion made and seconded to allow Mettler's to look into selling those 912 01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:26,040 items for us? All those in favor signify by saying 913 01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,000 aye. >> Aye. 914 01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:32,400 » Aye. >> Opposed same sign. Motion carries. 915 01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:35,000 » Do you guys want to do a reserve at all or are you 916 01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,560 » I don't know. >> What do you like to reserve on those 917 01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:44,400 items? >> I have no idea what that generator would 918 01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:47,400 worth. I haven't really researched that too much. 919 01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:51,480 » Maybe Stephen and I can talk about it and then just let you know if we're if 920 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:54,320 we feel comfortable setting a reserve. How about that? 921 01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:56,680 And then we can talk about the next meeting. I'm sure it won't be sold in 922 01:06:55,600 --> 01:07:00,160 the next 30 days. >> Yeah, we got a full few months yet. 923 01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,640 » Yeah. >> It's not ready to sell yet, is it? 924 01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,400 » No, no, no. >> Right. 925 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,720 » No. >> Yeah. 926 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:08,560 » Just trying to get prepared. >> No, I understand. 927 01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:16,320 » And you have an idea of some sort. >> That's the only adjustments that we 928 01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:19,600 have, right? >> Yeah, the generator and the two 929 01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:22,840 transformers is all that we're talking about right now. 930 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:27,400 » Okay. And 931 01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:32,400 you told the adjustments. >> Um so then the utility adjustments are 932 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:35,400 actually a positive $293.83. 933 01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:42,960 Um I would say the majority of it is probably refunds for overpayments, and 934 01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:46,480 then there were some late fees that were added and a few were taken away. 935 01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:50,680 So, there's not a lot of activity, but just 936 01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,680 a little bit there. 937 01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:55,320 » Do you have any discussion on the utility adjustments? 938 01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:58,640 » I make a motion we accept the utility adjustments. 939 01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:00,680 » I'll second it. Since it's a positive, it's in our 940 01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:04,400 favor. >> Yeah, the motion made and seconded. All 941 01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:08,280 those in favor, signify by saying aye. >> Aye. 942 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:11,200 » All those in favor, the motion carries. >> Okay, and then I just have one more 943 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:16,359 thing that I didn't actually have on the agenda. And so, thank you for most of 944 01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:20,920 you, except for Mr. Michael. That was very gracious 945 01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:24,120 to um start using the microphone, but I've actually received a lot of 946 01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:27,600 complaints about people not being able to hear. 947 01:08:25,480 --> 01:08:31,960 Um and so, I want this was like something that I had in my office that I 948 01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:36,160 was like, "Let's try this." And see if it helps, because it's not It's also the 949 01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:39,240 recording, but also people actually sitting in the room. 950 01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:42,359 Like if they're on opposite opposite sides of the room, they're having 951 01:08:40,440 --> 01:08:47,080 trouble hearing. So, I just wanted to try to do a small attempt to set up all 952 01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:50,720 possible. I know it's kind of clunky, and we're figuring it out. Maybe I'll 953 01:08:48,759 --> 01:08:53,600 get some more microphones, but me These are meat thermometers, so 954 01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:57,240 they're sitting in my office. So, I thought let's try and see if this works. 955 01:08:55,319 --> 01:09:01,319 So, hopefully it helps. Um I think good. 956 01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:05,279 And so, that's I I know I just kind of forced it upon everybody, but I don't 957 01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:10,319 have a better solution without without adding a lot of technology know-how and 958 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:15,200 that is not me. So, I just want to say thank you guys for 959 01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:20,080 humoring me and trying this new way to do meetings. So, 960 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:24,440 thank you. >> Okay. 961 01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:30,920 » And not to single Tom out, but just say but to single Tom out. 962 01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,920 » Do we have anything else for the clerk? 963 01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:39,799 Keep up the good work. Moving on to accounts payable vouchers. 964 01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:45,560 » I make a motion to accept the accounts payable vouchers. 965 01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:49,600 » I'll second it. >> Being a motion made and seconded, all 966 01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:54,440 those in favor signify by saying aye. >> Aye. 967 01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:54,440 » Opposed, same sign. Motion carries. 968 01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:09,560 There is no further business, do we have a motion for adjournment? 969 01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:13,000 » I'll make a motion we adjourn. >> I'll second. 970 01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:15,360 » Being a motion made and seconded, all those in favor signify 971 01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:19,200 by saying aye. >> Aye. 972 01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:21,600 » Opposed, same sign. Motion carries. >> Thank you.