1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:05,720 Mayor Prom, can you do a mic check? 2 00:00:05,839 --> 00:00:13,160 » Mic check. >> Thank you. Gracias. Um, what else? Thank 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,160 you. See, 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,799 after two years of doing 5 00:00:44,239 --> 00:00:50,320 All right, it is six o'clock. Are you ready, city manager? 6 00:00:48,239 --> 00:00:58,160 » We're ready. Thank you. >> Perfect. I would like to call to order 7 00:00:53,920 --> 00:01:06,159 the city council meeting of July 28th, 2026. It is 6 p.m. and we will start 8 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:10,400 with the pledge of allegiance. And I I can't believe if it's council member 9 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:16,040 Allison or council member um Duk. I mean um Keski. Council member Allison, would 10 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,040 you like to lead us? 11 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:28,159 » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the for 12 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:32,439 one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 13 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,880 Leah, could you do roll call, please? >> Mayor Vignell 14 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,840 » here. >> Mayor Portm Duk 15 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:42,000 » here. >> Council member Cavaleri 16 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,000 » here. >> Council member Stler 17 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,159 » here. >> Council member Allison 18 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,920 » here. >> Council member Paddock 19 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,360 » present. >> Council member Goies 20 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:55,280 » here. >> Next up, we will move to audience 21 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:58,719 communication. The city welcomes public comment at the beginning of our 22 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:04,079 meetings. Public comments are on the official record. Council does not 23 00:02:00,479 --> 00:02:08,800 respond to comments at this time um or questions. So, make sure that you give 24 00:02:06,479 --> 00:02:15,040 your contact information to the clerk if you would like us to reach out to you. 25 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:19,920 Um please make sure that you um do not address one individual and address us as 26 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:25,040 a whole. Please limit your comments to no more than three minutes. Any written 27 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:28,480 comments received will be added to the official record but will not be read 28 00:02:26,959 --> 00:02:34,080 aloud. With that, I have someone who has signed 29 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:39,280 up this evening to start off with. It's Linda Schulman. Is she here? Hi, Linda. 30 00:02:36,959 --> 00:02:43,599 If you want to come up to the microphone there and you can give us your your 31 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:51,120 name, even though I just read it and um your city and you have three minutes. 32 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:56,319 I will hurry. I am Linda Schulman. My husband Neil and I are here. We have 33 00:02:53,360 --> 00:03:01,040 lived in the Highlands for 20 years and been very happy with most everything. 34 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:09,280 But right now, we have a couple things going on in our area that are upsetting. 35 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:16,319 We have some young people on motorbikes and they are very fast and they are just 36 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:21,760 on the verge of having an accident someplace because we have young children 37 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:26,480 and we have older people who are walking around and we need some help. We need 38 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:31,760 the police or someone to come up and go around and make sure that these that 39 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:38,319 these young people know they can't go fast on these streets. They also are 40 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:43,680 going on the trails and I am very concerned along with the rest of the 41 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:50,720 people in our HOA that there will be an accident. That is my first thing. The 42 00:03:47,519 --> 00:04:00,159 second thing is that we have been working with the city for 18 years to 43 00:03:54,480 --> 00:04:06,640 replace our trees on the medians and we had part of them at our block on the 44 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:13,040 median 29th to 30th done I think about 18 years ago and the rest was promised 45 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:18,720 us for within five years. Didn't happen. Last year we were supposed to have them 46 00:04:14,959 --> 00:04:24,320 put in and they told us that the trees had not been ordered in time. I am 47 00:04:21,280 --> 00:04:30,080 hoping that they will take care of this and order the trees so we get those 48 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:37,120 trees in our medians. And so that is really all I wanted to 49 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:40,360 say. So thank you very much. >> Thank you. 50 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:46,759 Is there anyone else in the audience that would like to speak tonight? 51 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:55,440 Is there anyone online that would like to speak this evening? 52 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:59,919 Barb has a different name tonight. Throw me off, but keep going once more. Is 53 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,639 there anyone in the audience that would like to speak this evening? 54 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:12,560 All right. There will be another chance for public comment at the end of the 55 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:16,479 meeting this evening. So next up we will move on to 56 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:21,880 presentations. I have a proclamation for National Night 57 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,880 Out. 58 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:30,800 Whereas the National Association of Town Watch sponsors a national community 59 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:36,160 building campaign on Tuesday, August 4th, 2026 entitled National Night Out. 60 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:40,960 And whereas the National Night Out campaign provides an opportunity for 61 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:46,720 neighbors in Mil Creek to join over 38 million neighbors across 17,000 62 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:51,280 communities from all 50 states, US territories, and military bases 63 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:55,600 worldwide. And whereas National Night Out is an annual community building 64 00:05:53,360 --> 00:06:00,160 campaign that promotes strong police community partnerships and neighborhood 65 00:05:57,919 --> 00:06:06,639 camaraderie to make our neighborhoods safer, more caring places to live and 66 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:11,199 work. And whereas neighbors in Mil Creek assist the local law enforcement agency 67 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:16,639 through joint community building efforts and support National Night Out 2026. 68 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:20,800 And whereas it is important that all neighbors of Mil Creek come together 69 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:26,400 with police and work together to build a safer, more caring community. And now 70 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:30,960 therefore, I, Stephanie Vignell, the mayor of the city of Mil Creek, on 71 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:35,440 behalf of the entire city council, to hereby call upon all of our neighbors of 72 00:06:33,199 --> 00:06:40,080 Mil Creek to join the Mil Creek Police Department and the National Association 73 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:47,520 of Town Watch in support for National Night Out on Tuesday, August 4th, 2026. 74 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:54,400 Further, let it be proclaimed that Tuesday, August 4th, 2026 is National 75 00:06:50,639 --> 00:07:01,680 Night Out in Mil Creek. And tonight I have members of our 76 00:06:57,039 --> 00:07:08,720 citizen patrol here to um accept this wonderful proclamation. So I have Diana 77 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:13,919 is is it okay Leopa? 78 00:07:10,479 --> 00:07:20,720 I'm saying it wrong. And Samantha Barry and Monique Morgan and Cindy Pasco if 79 00:07:17,919 --> 00:07:24,560 you all would like to come up. And um maybe the chief would like to come up 80 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:28,039 too, I don't know, and um meet us and have a photo. 81 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,440 Yeah, 82 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:11,160 » seriously. >> Okay. 83 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,680 I don't think 84 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,080 » so. 85 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:14,000 Thank Thank you. Our citizen patrol is so amazing. So, thank you all for all 86 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:18,000 you do. I was having lunch recently with a with one of my girlfriends and we were 87 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:22,000 we walked out and saw a couple of you were just walking down the street and 88 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:27,839 looking in on things. We were like, that's is so nice to see you out there. 89 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:32,399 So, thank you for all you do. >> You too. 90 00:09:29,279 --> 00:09:36,800 » Thank you. >> All right. There's no old business and 91 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:42,720 no new business and no proposed new initiatives. So we will move on to study 92 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:48,800 sessions. So next up we have a study session on initial annexation scenario 93 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:55,519 analysis and key updates. City manager Martin Yamamoto and Rob Finty from 1961 94 00:09:52,240 --> 00:10:00,160 Consulting and Sarah Emmensme Consulting will guide us in this 95 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:04,399 presentation tonight. >> Thank you Mayor Council. Just want to 96 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:08,880 say a few things to kick this off before Rob comes up and starts presentation. 97 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:13,360 Um, just want to mention that the annexation scenarios uh that you're 98 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:18,959 about to review are a critical step in implementing council's 2040 vision and 99 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:22,560 strategic plan. I do believe the annexation is the 100 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:26,800 catalyst for achieving that vision by strengthening the city's long-term 101 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:31,920 financial sustainability and supporting 102 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:35,920 and supporting strategic growth. The 103 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:39,440 direction that council provides this evening will not only determine our path 104 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:44,240 forward for for potential annexation, but also help shape the city's physical 105 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:48,480 growth and also positioning the city with the financial capacity necessary to 106 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:52,560 support future long-term investments and deliver on those long-term priorities. 107 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:59,800 So, with that, I'll hand over to Rob Fenty, 1961 Consulting, to lead us 108 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:59,800 through the annexation scenarios. 109 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:06,959 Thank you, city manager, mayor, mayor prom, and members of the council. Thank 110 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:11,839 you. It's nice to be with you tonight. So, uh, as you remember at our last 111 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:16,480 study session, where we left off was the direction to staff to go analyze 112 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:21,600 specific blocks that we had identified as, uh, potential scenarios, uh, in a 113 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:25,440 first step of annexation. So, we're going to break this into three sections 114 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:30,959 tonight. Uh I'll go through a handful of slides just to get us back in the room 115 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:33,920 of where where we left last time and uh what the assignment was and then I'm 116 00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:38,640 going to hand it over to Sarah so that she can walk through the financial 117 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:42,640 analysis uh that she's done um in the interim that uh really pulls together 118 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:46,800 the scenarios so that we can look at them and then we'll have a discussion 119 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:51,200 around four different scenarios that have come out of that based on the the 120 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:55,519 guiding principles that uh that you defined in the last session. So, just to 121 00:11:54,079 --> 00:11:59,920 bring us back in the room, we started this conversation in May uh with just 122 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:04,399 getting ourselves grounded on a path to the fall. And the idea was that by the 123 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:08,560 fall, we wanted to have clarity from a go no-go perspective of whether you were 124 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:13,279 interested in pursuing annexation as a financial viability step for the city 125 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:18,240 and if yes, what were the most likely scenarios that you you would want to 126 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:24,000 pursue. So in June uh we came back and focused on uh making sure we had very 127 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:27,839 clear uh guiding principles for the decision-making that could guide us all 128 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:32,480 through the process both in analysis and decision. And we focused on 129 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:36,399 infrastructure uh because that was a big uh conversation and a big question mark 130 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:40,800 around what was going on in the different areas. And so we brought the 131 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:44,880 information from the county together uh and and talked about what was happening 132 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:50,480 infrastructure-wise across the the different um muga areas that we were 133 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:54,880 considering. Out of that we came up with uh five uh five different blocks 134 00:12:52,800 --> 00:13:00,560 basically to the east and the south that we wanted to go analyze. So tonight the 135 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:04,320 the intent of tonight is to go through the scenarios that have come out of that 136 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:10,320 analysis that fit your guiding principles and to talk about those 137 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:14,560 scenarios with the intent at the end for you to give us guidance on which one 138 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:20,240 feels the most likely that you'd like to pursue. So this is not a decision night. 139 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:25,360 We're still in conversation. uh we still have a lot of room for analysis between 140 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:29,120 now and September to really dive down into the final details and the 141 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:33,440 implementation level thinking, but we would like your guidance tonight on 142 00:13:30,639 --> 00:13:36,720 which of these scenarios uh fit the best with where your heads are at and what 143 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:40,480 the guiding principles are for the city so that we can narrow in our analysis 144 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:44,880 and bring you back uh more detailed information. 145 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:49,440 So, uh as a reminder of the guiding principles, we came up with three 146 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:54,720 guiding principles. Uh the first um and really the primary was financial impact. 147 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:59,760 What got us into this conversation was a was really discussion around long-term 148 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:02,560 financial viability of the city. And you're going to see the analysis 149 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:07,680 confirms that and we'll talk specifically about how how the analysis 150 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:12,160 confirms the the current state and point in time for Mil Creek and what the 151 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:16,720 options are to strengthen financial viability over over the the next um 152 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:20,079 period. The summary of this guiding principle 153 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:25,519 was really that we're looking for near-term substantive impact. And so we 154 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:28,639 defined that was within three years. And so that's what we were looking for in 155 00:14:26,959 --> 00:14:32,240 the analysis. And we wanted it to be real. So those are the scenarios that 156 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:37,680 we're going to bring to you. The second was we wanted to retain the Mil Creek B 157 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:41,279 brand and vision, meaning that the neighborhoods that you think about 158 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:46,959 annexing should feel like they're a part of Mil Creek. um and may not be 159 00:14:44,639 --> 00:14:51,199 immediately, but there's a path to to integrate them and have them be a part 160 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:55,279 of Mil Creek, and we want the city to be able to maintain its standards for 161 00:14:53,199 --> 00:15:00,320 clean, safe, and well-maintained. So, those were the two really central 162 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:05,519 parameters within that one. The third was strategic value, uh which was a 163 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:11,360 should compared to the first two, which were really must. And what we were 164 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:15,519 looking for in the scenarios is do the annexation scenarios give us more 165 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:20,000 influence or control over the entry points to the city. So the so the places 166 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:24,399 where people have that first experience of the city. Uh do they give the city 167 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:29,680 any influence over what's going to happen to the west in terms of the 164th 168 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:33,360 and light rail development? And does it provide any benefits in terms of 169 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:38,880 financial capacity meaning bonding, grants, legislative funding, etc. So we 170 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:44,480 had our eyes on those things as well. So as you remember uh this is where we 171 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:49,040 left left the last conversation and uh we looked at four different MOA areas 172 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:53,120 all around the city and narrowed in on five blocks and we specifically as you 173 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:58,560 remember narrowed them down to for to blocks so that we could analyze them and 174 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:03,120 really look at how they m mix together how they match together to provide the 175 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:07,519 the the right and appropriate steps for the city. We're going to be talking 176 00:16:05,199 --> 00:16:12,000 about four scenarios. And so as you as you listen to Sarah's analysis, Sarah 177 00:16:10,079 --> 00:16:16,480 broke them down by blocks so that financially we could mix them together. 178 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:20,560 Uh what I'm going to be presenting to you is there are combinations of those 179 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:25,120 blocks that form the scenarios that meet the guiding principles that you've 180 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:30,639 talked about. The first is A plusB. So that is the scenario of going east uh 181 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:34,959 which we've talked about as um annexing neighborhoods that feel um very 182 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:40,320 appropriate and and and some of which already feel a part of Mil Creek. The 183 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:46,639 second scenario is CDNH which is the corridor to the south. Um the 527 184 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:50,000 corridor goes right between DNH. Um council member Cavaleri 185 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:53,680 » Rob as you give those can you give the population uh numbers in there as well 186 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:57,920 please? I'm going to come back and I'll give you I'll give you specific numbers 187 00:16:55,759 --> 00:17:02,800 for each of the scenarios as as we talk about them. Um the third scenario is 188 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:08,959 AD&H. So that's picking up the block to the east and coming down the power lines 189 00:17:05,679 --> 00:17:13,839 uh to include the the 527 corridor uh between D&H. And then the final scenario 190 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:18,559 which some of you brought up which is let's state the intent to do it all. And 191 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:22,559 that would be the caveat of that scenario is that effectively it would be 192 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:27,199 a staged implementation scenario that would take multiple years and uh we 193 00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:30,960 would go off as a next step with staff and come back with the staging of that 194 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:34,799 but it would take but but the assumption of that is it's not one swoop it would 195 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:38,720 be it would be over multiple segments and multiple years. So I just want to 196 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:42,640 give you a little bit of framing and reminder so that when you're listening 197 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:46,320 to Sarah's analysis uh you can fit that together. What we're going to do after 198 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:51,120 Sarah runs through her numbers is I'll come back and take you through each of 199 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:55,200 these scenarios uh with population, with what's the financial impact, with what 200 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:58,160 the pros and the cons are. Uh we'll do a quick run through of each of the 201 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:02,320 scenarios and then we can talk about which ones feel like the most 202 00:17:59,679 --> 00:18:06,960 appropriate to consider. Okay, great. So Sarah, I will hand it 203 00:18:05,039 --> 00:18:11,120 over to you and let you run uh through your numbers. 204 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:14,880 » Great. Uh good evening everybody. I'm sorry I'm not there in person. Although 205 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:19,360 I'm probably more useful to to you tonight as a computer head on the wall 206 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,720 in case you have questions because I do have a lot of backup that I can refer 207 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:28,080 to. I think Rob will do a really good job of keeping this high level. Um so 208 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:31,679 just to kick off the analysis that I did um I should have probably zoomed in on 209 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:36,720 the blocks that we'll be looking at so you can see the colors better, but I did 210 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:40,799 cost these out uh and and estimate revenues for each block discreetly. um 211 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:45,520 which means that I'm relying really heavily on on this future land use uh 212 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:50,080 assumptions or the designations from the counties as well as as uh assessor data. 213 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:53,760 So this is not you know I it would have been great if I could drive through and 214 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:58,400 make a count of every retail store in each area but I didn't do that. Um so 215 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:03,200 you know this these again are estimates. Um, just before we start, the blocks A 216 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:06,799 and C, as you can see, are really highly residential, and there's very little 217 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:10,799 commercial activity that's assumed to be happening or to happen eventually in 218 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:17,039 those areas. And that's really important from a fiscal analysis standpoint, but 219 00:19:12,799 --> 00:19:20,799 because it means those two areas are um there's a lot more reliance on property 220 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:24,880 tax. Property tax and sales tax being the two primary general fund revenue 221 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:29,520 sources. So those are the areas that when you see a red numbers on the next 222 00:19:27,039 --> 00:19:33,280 page um that's really why that that's happening as well as the fact that 223 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:37,200 because there is population in those areas there are staffing assumptions and 224 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:41,840 other costs that are assumed to scale with population in those two areas. So 225 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:45,600 we can skip to the next slide and and because I can't see your faces except 226 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:51,520 very tiny on my screen please just shout at me if you um have a question and want 227 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:56,400 me to stop. Um so this view is the first year the assumed first year which would 228 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:59,600 be 2027. Um and of course that number could change based on what actually 229 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:04,640 happens but it's just kind of helpful to have an assumed year to start uh for 230 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:10,400 inflation purposes. And then 2044 is shown on the right and the top half of 231 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:14,720 this screen is the revenue side. So you can see general fund revenues and the 232 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:20,400 composition there. Um the second line is the sales tax. You can see it is assumed 233 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:24,960 to be uh relatively lower in in block C and and block A, although I don't have 234 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:31,039 the populations on this view. Um they're they're on a later page. Um compared to 235 00:20:28,159 --> 00:20:36,640 sales tax and property taxes, as you know, also grow more slowly than sales 236 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:40,400 tax. Uh it's it's based on uh the 1% plus new construction. So in those two 237 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:45,440 areas where there's relatively less development that's assumed to happen, uh 238 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:49,919 revenues just tend to grow more slowly. Uh on the bottom half of the screen you 239 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:53,679 can see the expenditures. Oh, I'm sorry and I skipped over the other funds. So 240 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:58,320 we have street REIT and road fund revenues. That's the real estate excise 241 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:03,360 tax. Um there's some multi uh motor vehicle fuel tax portion that's that's 242 00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:07,919 distributed largely based on population. Uh there's a car tab estimate in there 243 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:11,919 as well. Um and and so forth. And and even though these funds uh tend to pay 244 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,360 for different things, I thought it would be helpful to kind of have them all 245 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:21,280 together just so you can see the the top line bottom line um view here. And then 246 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:26,720 on the bottom part of the screen, we have all of the uh ongoing operating 247 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:31,440 expenditures as well as some u road fund maintenance and operations expenditures 248 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:36,240 uh for each of the areas. police being the largest portion of costs especially 249 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:42,400 in blocks A with its high population and block D with just a lot of of stuff 250 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:48,240 going on. Um so this this staffing model that is underlying these these numbers 251 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:51,679 um is is largely based on the ratios that I developed for the first phase of 252 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:56,559 this analysis and presented to you back in the winter um with some review of by 253 00:21:54,559 --> 00:22:01,200 staff just based on the fact that you know instead of taking those full muga 254 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:04,480 areas we would be looking at sub areas um so that's kind of where those numbers 255 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:09,440 came from. There are also assumptions based on uh the previous model about 256 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:15,520 overhead, about non-personnel costs, vehicle purchases, uh and so forth. And 257 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:21,840 so all of those together uh give you the bottom line net surplus or deficit in 258 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:27,360 the cases of of blocks A and C. Um and you can see how those uh grow in either 259 00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:33,360 a negative or a positive direction uh from 2027 over to the last year that I 260 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:36,559 costed out, which was 2044. And again, this is just kind of to give give you a 261 00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:41,360 sense of the relative scale of the details behind the numbers. Uh, so 262 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:45,840 there's a lot of talking here. I think I'll pause and see if you all have any 263 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:49,360 questions about this detail um before I move on. 264 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:53,840 » Um, yes, Council Member Allison has a question. 265 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:57,840 » Thank you, Sarah. Um, on the the the revenue sides, what is in the other 266 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:03,360 taxes bucket? >> Sure. That's a portion of the um c the 267 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:08,400 county criminal justice sales tax that's distributed to cities. Uh there are also 268 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:12,400 utility taxes that are um I did an analysis based on current taxes in the 269 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:18,840 city of Mil Creek and then I just kind of scaled things based on parcels with a 270 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:18,840 lot of assumptions behind it. 271 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:26,000 » Any other questions? Um Council Member Seckler. 272 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:29,039 » Yeah, I uh I have a couple questions. This might be better to wait till later 273 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,400 or we could do it now because it's on the screen. 274 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:36,640 » But I have a a number of questions about the expense line. 275 00:23:35,679 --> 00:23:38,799 » Yeah. >> Yeah. 276 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:42,240 » All right. So, I'm I'm looking at some of these numbers and and I I don't 277 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:48,640 understand where these expenses come from. For example, in uh this district 278 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:53,360 A, which is a strip that runs alongside our current border. It's not a a deep 279 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:57,280 penetration of area. It's just kind of a slight expansion of the area that we 280 00:23:54,640 --> 00:24:01,360 already are covering. We've got a $1.6 million increase in the police 281 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:05,760 department, which I didn't quite understand how that could be where that 282 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,880 number came from. I just need answers on, you know, where these numbers come 283 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:13,360 from. In the first year, I've got a $950,000 284 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:17,360 expense for surface water. And I don't understand where that number comes from 285 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:21,600 or where that that expense is was created, as well as each one of these 286 00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:25,279 expense lines. And uh I I'd like to understand 287 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:29,840 you know what what drives these numbers. >> Sarah, I might I might jump on in on the 288 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:34,880 staffing part and then um you can talk about surface water. So, um so I engaged 289 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:38,000 with staff uh after the last study session to go block by block so that we 290 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:42,720 could sit down and make staffing assumptions. And the guidance we used 291 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:47,360 was the effectively the guidance you gave us to use the existing Mil Creek 292 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:51,919 model to stay lean. And so we were sanity checking the staffing based on 293 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:57,279 the current ratios uh that Mil Creek uses. Now we made a judgment here that 294 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,880 we were going to wait until implementation planning to push on any 295 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:06,960 of that. We could have a conversation that says a if we go into a that there 296 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:11,200 may not be as much necessary staffing. Uh but we just use the guidance you gave 297 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:15,200 us in terms of the current Mil Creek ratio as at this point so that you can 298 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:19,279 see the financial estimates and then when we get to the the nuances of 299 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:22,880 exactly how many staff we we'll we'll pick that up in implementation planning 300 00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:26,960 is the next step. So you so you'll have an opportunity to push on some of that 301 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:30,240 block by block based on what guidance you give us in terms of which area you 302 00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:34,240 want to pursue. The challenge is that we're looking at these numbers now and 303 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:36,640 going to be making decisions you what looks better, what looks worse, and 304 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:41,120 we're all looking at the bottom line. And if these numbers aren't necessary, 305 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:45,679 then the bottom lines are all going to change. Or if some areas are actually, 306 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:50,720 you know, going to need lot more expenses. I I I would what I'd like to 307 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:56,720 see is an analysis that's based on probable expenses on these particular 308 00:25:53,520 --> 00:26:00,000 areas. What makes sense? For example, I picked the biggest one of all because 309 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,960 it's it How how in the world are we going to spend a million dollars on 310 00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:05,679 surface water? What what have we seen in there that would justify that projected 311 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,919 expense? >> So So I think we have followed that 312 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:14,159 guidance that the probable expenses based on the existing level of 313 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:18,080 resourcing that the city uses. We have not we have not used other cities 314 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:22,000 benchmarks. We've used Mil Creek's benchmarks. 315 00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:26,400 And and the reason we've done that is that over time what that's borne out is 316 00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:31,039 that's the appropriate level that the city has found in order to support the 317 00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:36,400 services that it needs. Now it may be that we would push and say in year one 318 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:40,240 or year two we could go in with less but we chose to give you numbers that were 319 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,679 more of a sustainable number so that you could see what the financial the best 320 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:48,080 guess of what the financials would be. Now from that perspective remember these 321 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:52,640 financials at this point are estimates. So you will get to a budgeting process 322 00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:56,480 every year. Uh but what we've done is is is integrated all the different 323 00:26:54,559 --> 00:27:01,200 assumptions from staffing, infrastructure, 324 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:05,120 equipment, etc. to give you guidance on on which which of these areas are 325 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:09,360 effectively financially accreative and and to what level is. Are the numbers 326 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:11,279 down to the $10 accurate? No. But they're they're directionally going to 327 00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:13,840 be correct for you. >> Yeah. I'm worried they're kind not even 328 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:18,000 down to the $10, down to the million dollar number because you know if if 329 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:22,240 we're 20 if if for example this area A is 25% of our population increase we're 330 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:26,000 going to increase by 25%. Then we're taking 25% of our current police 25% of 331 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,279 our current surface water and adding that on. Well, that makes no sense to me 332 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,720 because we don't know if that particular area is going to need that additional 333 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:36,720 police coverage if it's going to even need the surface water. But it will 334 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:40,640 affect our decisions going forward. And more importantly, there are certain 335 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:44,000 areas where our current numbers are not going to make sense. You know, we're 336 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:48,080 we're going to look at some areas where we're going to need higher numbers than 337 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:51,360 we're currently, you know, and our that are that are that are based on our 338 00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:55,279 current population distribution. In other words, some areas are going to 339 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:58,000 need more police than the current uh Mil Creek model. Correct. Some areas going 340 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,320 to need less police than the current milk truck model. So, I really think we 341 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:06,640 need to I I would really love to to scrub each one of these numbers and say 342 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:10,559 where does it come from? Where would we need it in the first year? And if we 343 00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:15,039 don't need it, the good news to that is after the first year instead of being 344 00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:18,080 down 147,000, we may have a couple million dollars which will help us to 345 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:21,919 fund other areas as we move down the road that will need si significant uh 346 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,840 increases. >> So, so as we get to the next level, 347 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:30,480 we'll push on that. I I would caution you is you've been very clear in your 348 00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:35,039 guiding principles. We want to maintain the standards of the city. So one of the 349 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:40,480 assumptions that we used is to maintain the standards of the city. We're going 350 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:46,080 to use the current city's rubric in terms of staffing to thousand citizens 351 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:50,720 and we'll apply that in the numbers so that you have you have a good benchmark 352 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:54,640 collectively in terms of this is the staffing we'd go in with to maintain the 353 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:58,399 standards of the city at the lean model that the city is using. Now I think it's 354 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:03,039 a dangerous path for you to start going down and picking on every single one. Um 355 00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:06,720 there are there are ch there there's potential we might be able to gain some 356 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:10,720 synergies but at this point I would guide you that there's been a lot of 357 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:14,799 discipline put into these numbers from from an analysis perspective I would use 358 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,919 these numbers and then let's get into implementation planning and see if we if 359 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:22,080 there are any other gains >> once we dig down not to interro once we 360 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,840 dig down to the areas that we're most interested in I'm sure the numbers are 361 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:30,080 going to change and so to council member Steph's point so these are just I 362 00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:34,240 wouldn't say they're wags but they're just kind of you know what the numbers 363 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,440 bear out currently. >> Yeah. And and just to be clear, there's 364 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:41,919 nothing finger in the air about these numbers. This is all the available 365 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:45,679 sources from the county. Uh Sarah has gone into the the line item detail 366 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,799 around the revenue numbers and the expenses from everything we know. So 367 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:53,520 these these numbers are pretty borne out. Um and yes, to council member 368 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:57,440 Cavaleri's point, as as you give us guidance on the areas that we'll go 369 00:29:54,960 --> 00:30:02,480 into, we will go down one more level and really start pushing. So do you feel 370 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:06,960 confident that your this number for uh area A is a realistic expense number 371 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:13,200 that we would incur in the first year >> based based on the current ratio of 372 00:30:09,679 --> 00:30:18,240 employees FTE to thousand people? Yes. >> So the $950,000 is just based upon our 373 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:23,039 current surface water program. >> Can I answer the question, Rob? Would it 374 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:28,159 be helpful? Um, can we go to slide four on the presentation 375 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:34,159 because I think this might help clear things up. So, this is where we have the 376 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:39,520 personnel. This the assumed per staff spread for each of the departments and 377 00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:45,600 you can see for area A there are two FTE that are assumed CD and H each have 1.3. 378 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:49,679 So the 900,000, you know, there are assumptions about 379 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:54,640 salaries and benefits and about vehicles per FTE that we get from the from the 380 00:30:52,399 --> 00:30:59,360 the scrub of budgets that we did over the winter in Mil Creek and and other 381 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:04,480 like communities. Um, as well as talking to the county, if you're talking about 382 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:08,960 an A plus B scenario, that 900,000 would be split across the two blocks. Um, and 383 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:11,600 we did talk a lot about surface water infrastructure in the last meeting. 384 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,279 there there is quite a bit of infrastructure in all of these areas. 385 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,000 There weren't as many culverts that were identified, but those wouldn't be in 386 00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:22,960 this cost anyway because those were assumed to be capital. So, I do feel 387 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:26,880 pretty confident after going through the the infrastructure for for streets and 388 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:30,559 roads and surface water at the last meeting and having worked with the 389 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:36,799 operating budget for, you know, eight months now that that we're getting we're 390 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:41,039 a Mil Creek is staffed currently. Um, but looking at these numbers and scaling 391 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:44,000 as best as we can. But does that answer your question about kind of how what's 392 00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:48,159 what what's driving the the difference here? 393 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:53,200 » No, I still see confusion because in in area A, you've got an FTE increase of 394 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,120 two on streets and two on surface water, right? These are FTE counts. Am I 395 00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:58,640 correct? >> Yes. 396 00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:03,440 » Okay. And then over in uh area D, which is a larger area, you have a smaller 397 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:07,039 number of FTE counts. So how could they be based on population? And if the 398 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:10,559 population is bigger in D, why is the number of FTEEs lower? 399 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:14,159 » So this this is kind of back to Rob's this is sort of a directional 400 00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:19,519 conversation because what staff did with Rob's guidance was walk through the two 401 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:25,039 sets of blocks, not in each one discreetly um for the purposes that he's 402 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:29,600 going to show you next where he has the different scenarios of of two or three 403 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:34,240 blocks. And what I did because I'd already built a revenue model that went 404 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:38,240 block by block was I spread them based on this just so I could show you an 405 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:42,640 individual bottom line knowing that when you were were going to be discussing 406 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:46,320 scenarios you'd be combining them. So I think that you know that like if you 407 00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:49,840 were to I don't think anybody would assume you would just have one you know 408 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:52,960 a third of an FTE on one area. It would be more sort of as you're considering 409 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,880 these what would the appropriate staffing level be? 410 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,760 Yeah, it still doesn't add up for me, but I know we're I'm saying the same 411 00:32:58,159 --> 00:33:01,840 thing, so we can move on. >> Yeah, 412 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:06,000 go ahead, >> deputy director. 413 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:10,559 » So, I know on this, but I did want to point out that the FTE figures were 414 00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:17,440 configured to be used in block scenarios and not individually. So, we identified 415 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:22,320 the need based in A. If you did A and B together, that scenario is a little bit 416 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:28,880 different. And more than likely, you're not going to be able to do 417 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:34,559 just B because it comes down and with the um 418 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:38,320 the boundary review board, they likely won't approve that because of the flag 419 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:43,519 annexation. >> Um so these are all considering the 420 00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:47,760 different scenarios that are likely. So don't just strictly say, "Oh, we're only 421 00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:52,399 looking at A or we're only looking at B." Because you're not just going to be 422 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:56,480 annexing B. >> Laurel, you may you might talk the about 423 00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:00,080 the multiple rubrics too that some of them are based on thousand people, some 424 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:04,240 of them are based on road, you know, numbers. 425 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:08,639 » So the other piece, so pieces of this, um, so like your streets, we're going to 426 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:12,800 have expenses more than likely based on street mile. 427 00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:17,760 So, your staffing is going to be tied to that or the number of parks that we're 428 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:22,560 going to be taking in based on the different areas. And then we also have 429 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:26,240 police. The easiest way to get your police number is going to be based on 430 00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:31,919 population because that's historically what we've used. Um, so that also plays 431 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:38,440 a big role in how we came up with these numbers. 432 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:38,440 I I promise they were not wax. 433 00:34:39,359 --> 00:34:42,480 » Any other questions? 434 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:51,760 Yeah, I'm I'm I I I still would would like to reserve my opinion on these 435 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:54,800 expense numbers and you know, not related during this meeting right now, 436 00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:58,320 but based on moving forward, I'm not I'm not I'd like to spend more time with 437 00:34:56,399 --> 00:35:01,359 them, but maybe at a later date when we get to a decision-m stage. Okay. 438 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:05,760 » Yeah. And I think specifically if you guide if you guide us to go look at a 439 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:09,160 that's one that we can really dig in with you. 440 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,160 » Yeah. 441 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,960 Um, excuse me. So, uh, just before we turn off of this slide, actually, 442 00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:23,520 there's a pretty big update that I meant to give when we were looking at the map 443 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:28,640 earlier. Um, so the one kind of major change from the presentation I gave in 444 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:33,920 June was the population for block H, which um, originally I'd done just sort 445 00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:38,400 of scale kind of a rough cut uh, based on purely on parcel analysis and the 446 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:42,240 uses of parcels in the assessor data. But after looking at it more closely, 447 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:47,520 there is some fairly large uh multifamily housing in this area. So 448 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:53,040 I've updated the estimate, it was about 1,000, which I believe was too low. Uh 449 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:58,800 and it's about 2600 now. So you can see the the population of of H has assumed 450 00:35:55,839 --> 00:36:06,720 to be bigger at this point. So maybe the best thing to do would be 451 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:12,640 to go back to slide three or two. That gives the or sorry uh go one more 452 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:18,000 back. Yeah, there we go. That one. The big table. 453 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:22,800 Uh this one. Yes. Can you zoom in a little 454 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:27,200 bit? Um and again, I hope you know I don't 455 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:31,440 know how useful this is. Maybe I can do a quick math exercise and add these up 456 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:36,000 for you while you're talking. But um this is intended to show the lifetime of 457 00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:39,920 each of these blocks. um and kind of what's you know what what what the 458 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:45,920 tipping point would be. Um the expiration of the assumed annexation tax 459 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:49,920 credit is what's causing a to go kind of closer to zero and then back down again 460 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:54,079 in 2032. That's a six-year tax credit that's assumed to expire at that point. 461 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:59,440 Um but everything else should hopefully be be pretty straightforward. I have the 462 00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:05,359 assumed growth rates there and um you know population growth is is assumed at 463 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:10,640 the same rate as last presentation. Um is there anything else I can provide to 464 00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:16,000 be helpful here Rob or do we want to go into go back to your conversation? 465 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:19,240 » Council members, do you have questions for Sarah? 466 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,599 Did >> Council member Pedic did you have any 467 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,839 questions? Okay, we're good. >> And Sarah will hang with us. 468 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,960 » Oh, wait a minute. You know what? Because I granted she could yell, but I 469 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,880 cannot see. >> No, no questions for me. Thank you very 470 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,320 much. >> Okay, just want to make sure. You're 471 00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:37,359 welcome. >> Don't worry, I'll yell. 472 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,560 » I'm looking out for you. >> Okay, Sarah will hang with us uh as we 473 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:45,839 go through the scenarios if there are other questions uh that we can use her 474 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:50,000 uh phone a friend um expertise. Um I I want I want to just call out Sarah. 475 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,119 She's done an immense amount of work to really tie all these together and has 476 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:55,599 done a really great job. So Sarah, thank you for all the the background work 477 00:37:54,480 --> 00:38:00,000 you've done on this. >> No problem. If you had questions about 478 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:03,040 housing units or retail sales square footage, that's in the assumptions page, 479 00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:08,079 which I know you had some questions about last time. 480 00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:11,839 » Okay. So, so you saw the analysis by block and and the the caveat that to 481 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:16,240 call out is when we did staffing assumptions, we were looking by these 482 00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:21,680 scenarios because sometimes the the staffing it was hard to do by by the 483 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:27,200 little block C as an example. uh that um so uh so Sarah amvertised those. So if 484 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:30,640 we start to look at them as scenarios, you start to see the financial picture 485 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:34,079 of what it might look like when they're combined together. 486 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:38,000 And there was a theme that I want to call out to you which I found very 487 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:43,359 interesting in the analysis as as we got it back. And the theme was that the 488 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:48,480 areas that are residentially centric, especially single family home centric, 489 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:53,599 those are the areas where costs over time will outpace the revenues. And we 490 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:57,359 knew we had we had that hypothesis going into this. And it was actually the 491 00:38:55,359 --> 00:39:01,839 problem statement which led us into this because that's the Mil Creek footprint. 492 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:07,200 Uh pre going into the South Town Center and and and having higher density. uh 493 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:10,800 the the city faces that scenario which puts us in a situation where we're 494 00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:16,560 setting ourselves up to increase taxes down the road to maintain services. So 495 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:22,320 that bore out in in in the analysis and so you saw blocks like A follow that 496 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:27,200 pattern uh where low growth single family centric and over time the costs 497 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:32,720 outweigh the revenues where what that led to a conclusion was 498 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:37,760 that the center of the annexation scenarios that are the most financially 499 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:42,560 accreative follow one of two things. The first is the commercial corridors. And 500 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:47,200 so you saw that in this case you're looking at D and H as the most 501 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:51,920 financially accretive of of all of these blocks and it also follows the pattern 502 00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:56,480 of higher density. And so where we saw those dynamics running uh those were the 503 00:39:54,640 --> 00:40:00,400 the blocks that actually you could put together as a first step because that's 504 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:04,800 all we're talking about here uh that provide the the biggest financial 505 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:08,480 benefit to the city in the short term. So there are four scenarios that came 506 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:12,400 out of this analysis that met your criteria in terms of that financial 507 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:18,000 creativeness plus fit with the city. The first is A plus B. So that is the 508 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:22,240 scenario going east and so I'll pull up each of these. U that's the least 509 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:26,079 financially accretive as you'd expect because of the of the dynamics. 510 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:28,000 » Sorry Rob. Council member Cavaleri has a question. 511 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:35,920 » Yes, Council Member Cavaler. >> Thanks Rob. So just a quick explanation. 512 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:40,720 Why would the residential outpace um anything else to the negative over a 513 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:44,800 period of time? Because are you factoring in in like those homes are 514 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:48,240 going to be sold over time and the city's going to collect revenues from 515 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:51,280 that, they're going to be renovated and all those things. 516 00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:54,320 » So Sarah, I'll I'll turn this one to you in terms of what's behind in the 517 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:58,640 numbers. >> Yeah, sure. So yeah, we do have an 518 00:40:56,079 --> 00:41:04,319 assumption about how much of the market the market value as a as a whole turns 519 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:08,800 over each year. We um stuck with three and a half% for all the areas which is 520 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:13,920 pretty much in line with Mil Creek for the last five or six years. Um and I 521 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:19,040 think part of it too is that those residential areas do they're they do 522 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:22,319 turn over um which drives REIT revenue, but there's not as much new development 523 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:26,480 that's assumed in terms of like additional properties that are built. Um 524 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:31,760 really the growth in those areas that are um going to have more high density 525 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:35,119 residential uh industrial and and commercial development and mixeduse 526 00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:38,640 development will just have new construction which adds to the property 527 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:43,359 tax roles more than like a kind of stable single family residence uh 528 00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:47,359 dominated area. >> But those but is aren't those just 529 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,400 one-time collected fees? >> Yes, on the REIT yes I mean we do you 530 00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:53,760 know we have make an assumption that there's some portion that turns over 531 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:58,079 every every year. Uh but the new construction is added as assessed value 532 00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:01,440 that's in then in the tax base from there on out. So it's above the 1% 533 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:05,040 growth in your property taxes every year. So it's an ongoing increase if 534 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,960 there's new build. >> Thank thanks sir. 535 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,720 » The other dynamic in there council member Cavalier is is the growth. So so 536 00:42:09,359 --> 00:42:15,359 the areas that have low growth associated with that will obviously have 537 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:21,280 that dynamic. >> Any other questions? Okay. So, I'll run 538 00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:25,280 through each of the scenarios uh fairly as a high level because you've all seen 539 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:29,040 these in the packet and then uh and then we'll stop and talk. So, the first 540 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:33,920 scenario is what we've been calling Mil Creek East which are blocks A and B. Uh 541 00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:38,720 you can see from the the top it's Seattle Hill Road, uh which is coming 542 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:45,119 between the existing city boundary and A. Uh B is bordered on the south by 543 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:51,200 180th and then 35th uh Avenue Southeast on the on the western border. 544 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:57,839 So if you look at uh the summary of of this the population is about 10,700. 545 00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:01,920 Uh it is primarily residential. Um it is financially accretive when you combine 546 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:08,240 the two and it does be remain financially accretive through year 18. 547 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:13,200 Uh this is the one scenario where the u benefits to the city decrease over time 548 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:19,040 rather than increase. So, it starts to uh be about $1.1 million uh net to the 549 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:24,800 city, revenues minus costs, and by the time we get to year 18, it's about 550 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:29,680 $500,000 net positive. So, it's um it basically becomes uh becomes less 551 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:33,119 accretive over time. The benefit of this is that many of these neighborhoods 552 00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:37,440 already think of themselves as Mil Creek and as many of you have pointed out, uh 553 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:41,520 citizens in these areas are already using the services of Mil Creek. So, 554 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:46,880 they feel integrated with the city. Uh so there are lower identified risks uh 555 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:51,359 with uh with with this going this direction and there's the potential to 556 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:56,720 leverage REIT dollars. Um and uh in this process we looked at parks um and Tanark 557 00:43:54,000 --> 00:44:01,200 park is in this area. When we look at the cons of this relative to the other 558 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:05,680 scenarios um it doesn't gain any significant commercial activity or 559 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:10,319 corridor. So um this is primarily residential. uh we've talked about this 560 00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:14,560 as being easier uh but we don't get the commercial uplift or the industrial 561 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:18,800 uplift and as we saw in Sarah's initial analysis that we looked at earlier in 562 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:24,240 the year this area has lower growth uh and lower growth capacity compared to 563 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:28,079 the other areas. Um the other thing that I would say is just to call to your 564 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:33,760 attention is there is some signaling that's going to happen in whichever area 565 00:44:30,319 --> 00:44:37,839 you choose to move forward around and uh there's different signaling by moving 566 00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:41,760 down the commercial corridors and the entrances to the city versus simply 567 00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:46,240 moving into some of the residential areas to the east. So I think this is 568 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:50,319 less of a signal to the region uh in terms of the intent of the city if you 569 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:58,240 are thinking down the road that you may want to uh move farther south or or or 570 00:44:54,079 --> 00:45:01,040 even move west as as a as a possibility. The one thing that we did want to call 571 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:05,359 out here is obviously we have to have conversations with the boundary review 572 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:09,599 board. Uh the bottom part of B in this picture does provide a non-ontiguous 573 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,960 border. Uh so we believe that we would have there may be some conversations 574 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:18,800 with the B boundary review board and they may even have concerns about the 575 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:22,760 bottom part of B in this scenario. Any questions on that scenario? 576 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:32,800 Okay. Scenario two is uh is Mil Creek South. Uh there are two um scenarios two 577 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:38,400 and three where we'll be looking at DNH as the as the main commercial corridor 578 00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:44,480 blocks. This is the first of those. So, uh, uh, block C is bordered on the east 579 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:50,240 by 35th, uh, and the south by 180th. And then you can see it follows the power 580 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:53,640 lines, uh, down to 196, uh, uh, at the bottom of H. 581 00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:04,000 So, this population is about 11,700 uh, between those three. Obviously, it 582 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:08,640 does gain the the Highway 527 corridor uh, down to 196th. 583 00:46:06,319 --> 00:46:12,079 Um, blocks D and H, as you saw in the packet, are the most financially 584 00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:17,760 accretive. They're accretive from year one, and they actually grow in 585 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:23,119 positivity over time. So, for CD and H, you would expect about two thou $2.7 586 00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:27,920 million net to the city in year 1, and that would grow over time to be about 587 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:34,000 5.3 million in year 18. >> Um, Rob, I actually have a question. Um, 588 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:40,319 and I apologize for not thinking of it till now, I guess, but is there a reason 589 00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:47,599 that we're not just looking at DNH as one of the scenarios? Are we throwing in 590 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:51,280 either C or the other one? Um, because we think they want the boundary review 591 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:56,640 board or for some other reason because to me it would make sense to look at 592 00:46:54,880 --> 00:47:00,480 » those two. So that's certainly something that you could guide the the rationale 593 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:05,359 between putting these blocks together is there's some residential connection 594 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:09,760 between C and D. And so uh as going south and and with contiguous borders 595 00:47:07,839 --> 00:47:15,000 going down, we expected that this would be a more acceptable option. 596 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,000 » Okay. 597 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:30,000 » So this Yes, Council Member Steckler. So uh um again I'm looking at the D and H I 598 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:37,200 see on the revenue side under sales tax um A has a projected sales tax of 747 599 00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:41,680 and just D alone has a projected sales tax of almost 2 million with almost the 600 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:47,280 same number of people. What what is the driver for the $1.2 million in 601 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:52,800 additional sales tax revenue in D? >> Sarah, can you jump in on that? Sure. 602 00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:58,560 Yeah. If you in the packet um look at the um assumptions and notes page 603 00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:03,040 there's I think it's page five. You can see how I split out the taxable sales 604 00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:08,400 amounts. Again, these were from the department of revenue um that were 605 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:13,280 provided for um so the department of revenue provided us estimates or 606 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:19,839 actually they provide us actual uh sales tax revenues collected in the full muga. 607 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:25,040 And I used parcel analysis based on the use of parcels and where they were 608 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:30,400 classified as um retail or other type of other type of taxable retail sales 609 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:35,440 activity to split out the in-person sales based on these different blocks. 610 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:40,000 And there wasn't really any activity occurring in B and C and very minimal in 611 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:43,440 block A which is kind of what we expected after looking at the future 612 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:50,720 land use and where we think that um development will occur. So uh based on 613 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:55,040 um that I portioned the activity that's occurring in person largely to blocks D 614 00:48:53,200 --> 00:49:00,960 and H where we have a lot of industrial and commercial um sales activity that's 615 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:04,640 that or uses that are happening in those areas. 616 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:11,440 » I imagine that in H I was just surprised with D when I looked at this sheet um 617 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:18,640 you have a significant increase in in in D for uh retail sales tax of 1.8 8 618 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:24,960 million versus uh 55,000 for A. So that's where the the driver is. It's in 619 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:29,119 I assume that's retail building, not um I mean the retail sales for the 620 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:33,200 residential should be the same because you got 621 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:37,119 basically the same population, right? >> Yeah. So um 622 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:45,040 » what businesses are driving the increases in D? Indeed, it's the the ret 623 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:50,079 the um parcels that are classed as re classed as retail services or um I you 624 00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:54,640 know even the industrial was I made an assumption about taxable uh host 625 00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:59,760 wholesaling activity that might be subject to retail sales. Um so I I lean 626 00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:03,839 pretty heavily on the land use here. Um, in terms of the remote sales, there are 627 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:09,040 also assumptions about per household and then per um, some businesses do, you 628 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:11,520 know, have have remote taxable sales as well. So, that's kind of where those 629 00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:15,599 numbers came from. >> So, for example, in A, you've got 55,000 630 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,880 in retail sales. That's all residential retail sales. 631 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:23,280 » So, on page five, if you look in the middle of the page there, it says 632 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:30,400 taxable sales. And then you can see remote construction or in person. 633 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:36,160 Um so in the assumption is in 2026 in block A there's about 24.2 million in 634 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:40,800 remote taxable sales from deliveries in that area. In block D there's an 635 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:46,559 assumption about 38 million. Part of that too is based on the per household 636 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:54,960 versus per um h per per housing unit versus per um uh person. So there's um 637 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:58,480 you know more housing there more housing units in block A, but the population is 638 00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:03,359 a little higher. There's also just more businesses in block D that might be uh 639 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:07,359 you know ordering things and paying remote taxable sales. So that's kind of 640 00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:12,480 where those numbers came from. And then the in-person is is pretty based 641 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:16,160 primarily on where businesses are assumed to be located and where they're 642 00:51:14,319 --> 00:51:20,559 collecting sales taxes. >> Well then forgive me for asking again 643 00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:24,400 too. I I apologize for this, but when I look at that what you just mentioned, 644 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:29,920 that one area in the middle, um A is a population of 6,61 645 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:31,680 with remote sales of uh 24 million, correct? 646 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:38,319 » Yes. >> Okay. And D is a similar size area of 6 647 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:45,280 uh 6,325, but their their remote is 38 million in 648 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:50,240 sales versus 24 million. Uh but the commercial is separate from that. This 649 00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:54,480 is just remote. So this 24 to 38 for the same size population 650 00:51:53,040 --> 00:52:00,880 » population, isn't it? >> So the the other thing is that the 651 00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:05,280 remote taxable sales base um for blocks A and B was based on Mil Creek East and 652 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:09,520 what's happening there. So Department of Revenue 653 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:15,760 gave us the number of the amount of remote sales activity that's occurring 654 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:20,400 in block A and part of block B. So that came from the Department of Revenue. It 655 00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:25,599 was a lot lower on a per household basis than what's happening in Mil Creek South 656 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:30,400 of which blocks C, D, and H are apart. So the per when you look at it on a per 657 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:35,440 household basis in Mil Creek East, and this again from the Department of 658 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:40,559 Revenue, it's about 11 or 12,000 per household. In Mil Creek South, it was 659 00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:44,800 higher. It's about 18,000 per household. There's also an assumption about taxable 660 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:48,160 deliveries to businesses that are happening in D that are not happening in 661 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:51,599 A. So that's why even though the populations aren't that different, the 662 00:52:49,839 --> 00:52:56,559 numbers are are higher. >> So A and B was based on a different 663 00:52:53,599 --> 00:53:01,119 analysis. It was actual sales numbers and I assume CD&H you said were based on 664 00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:05,280 a on a on a formula. >> They're based on my estimate based on 665 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:12,160 Department of Revenue Actuals. So, Department of Revenue actual gave us 666 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:18,720 after like four months of waiting actual taxable sales information in Mil Creek 667 00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:23,440 East, Mil Creek South, uh, Marth Martha Lake and Larch. So to get to this level 668 00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:26,480 of analysis rather than go back to the department and you know not be able to 669 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:31,520 get you what you needed for this meeting, I made assumptions about what's 670 00:53:29,359 --> 00:53:35,920 happening in Mil Creek East, which was relatively easy because it's just A and 671 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:38,880 then like half of B. And then Mil Creek South, which was harder because there's 672 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:44,079 areas that you're not looking at with more scrutiny. So I tried to make 673 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:47,520 informed assumptions about the Mil Creek South activity and aortion it to each of 674 00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:51,680 the blocks that you were interested in based on what we learned in the last 675 00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:54,480 analysis and what we see and think might be happening now. 676 00:53:52,880 --> 00:54:00,319 » What what I heard you say sir is that the average was higher in south from the 677 00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:05,359 do data than in east which >> yes that is one of the factors. Yep. 678 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:08,559 » Okay. So it's the same analysis in every block. 679 00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:14,800 » Right. But for some reason they gave a much the people in D are remotely 680 00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:15,760 ordering significantly more almost 40% more 681 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:18,720 » that's what it says >> sales tax revenue versus the people in 682 00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:23,599 east >> I also think the casino was a big 683 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:27,200 economic driver at the time as well but that would be in person. 684 00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:32,880 » Yeah that's um I had a question on that. Were we able to look at that data for or 685 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:36,640 to pull out data for the casino? I know I'd mentioned it to Martin and I don't 686 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:42,079 know the way the do gave us the information because we we can't know 687 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:47,920 which individual businesses are are we able to 688 00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:51,839 in any way extrapolate how much would be coming from the casino since 689 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,359 they're closing? >> Yeah, thanks Mayor. I did I did 690 00:54:53,520 --> 00:55:01,119 extrapolate that data and I did send that to the group. I I I can pull that 691 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:04,640 up and and recall that information right now probably online, but 692 00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:10,000 » and we we actually have a line item list by casino of what of what they've been 693 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:13,880 generating, so we can incorporate that. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you. 694 00:55:14,319 --> 00:55:22,880 » Okay, so uh financially accreative approximately $2.7 million uh starting 695 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:26,559 off in year one. It grows over time. Uh obviously uh this gains the commercial 696 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:31,040 corridor. The other thing that I would highlight is there's industrial zoning 697 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:36,160 as we go south which provides additional economic opportunity that's not yet 698 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:40,480 embedded in the numbers. Uh this also does gain um additional influence over 699 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,760 the entry points to the city which aligns to that part of your guiding 700 00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:48,559 principles. Uh on the con side we we know that there 701 00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:51,839 may be some resistance. uh we're starting to get into the difference 702 00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:57,119 between whether this is the right thing and how because a lot of wh where we are 703 00:55:55,119 --> 00:56:01,440 going to hit some neighborhoods where they need to be educated or brought 704 00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:07,040 along uh th those are things that are controllable. Um uh we do know that 705 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:11,359 there is part of this segment that crosses into Northshore School District. 706 00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:16,160 So, uh, if you look at this little triangle right here at the bottom of D, 707 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:20,000 we actually start to cross over into a different school district and and that 708 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:24,720 will be a dynamic as you look at at at different areas around the MOAS. Um, and 709 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:29,680 we know that there are some some continual unknowns. We've actually done 710 00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:33,200 a lot of analysis around Maze Pond and uh and North Creek Park. Uh, it's 711 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:36,559 something we continue to have our eyes on as we go forward. So, if this is if 712 00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:39,760 this is the guidance, that's one of the things we'll continue to dig in to make 713 00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:43,720 sure that there aren't any unknowns that we're not accounting for. 714 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:52,640 Okay. The next scenario is AD&H. Uh this was a spin on DNH that you suggested 715 00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:58,000 that we look at uh which was to incorporate the areas to the east uh 716 00:56:55,040 --> 00:57:03,359 which um again already feel uh somewhat part of the city and then run down the 717 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:08,000 power lines uh to the the southeast border of DNH down to the same point at 718 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:12,319 196. So if you look at the financials, this 719 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:17,040 is actually very similar to CDNH. Uh this is larger in population because of 720 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:22,720 incorporating block A. So this is about 15,000 in population. Um and it is a 721 00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:28,000 combination of the the neighborhoods to the east that are are um you know that 722 00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:34,480 that should feel fairly natural to assimilate with that commercial corridor 723 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:39,680 down 527 to 196th. Um again because of blocks DNH this is financially accretive 724 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:45,359 from year 1. It's about uh estimated to bring a net of 2.8 8 million to the city 725 00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:51,599 in year 1 and then grow over time slightly slower than the last scenario 726 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:57,839 of CD and H to 4.8 million um uh just because A grows slower uh or or A has a 727 00:57:54,960 --> 00:58:03,040 an influence to that effect. So this has the benefit of uh of naturally 728 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:06,960 assimilating areas that feel like a part of the city. It has natural assimilated 729 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:11,359 borders along the power lines and you gain the commercial corridor and the 730 00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:16,240 industrial opportunity going south. Um it continues also to signal to the um to 731 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:21,200 the to the region your the city's interest in influencing the entry points 732 00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:27,359 to the city. The cons on this are are very similar to CD&H uh and the unknowns 733 00:58:24,799 --> 00:58:31,920 um are are very similar. So um there isn't a lot to add in terms of um risk u 734 00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:36,799 that we didn't talk about in the last scenario. 735 00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:41,520 » Um Council Member Cavalary. >> Thanks Mary. I I think the 736 00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:48,400 the one thing I know I know council member Paddock and I um we kind of like 737 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:54,000 pieced together this hybrid idea of of this uh D&H and how that comes together. 738 00:58:52,319 --> 00:58:58,400 Well, one of the things for me is that that strikes me is that that A is going 739 00:58:56,319 --> 00:59:05,440 to always be there. There's no one from the east looking to annex towards Mil 740 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:09,680 Creek. So I you know what I mean? So it might be a safe I was I was under the 741 00:59:07,839 --> 00:59:14,720 impression initially that that it's probably the best safe first step but 742 00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:19,200 due to the population number I think it's it might be something we would add 743 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:23,359 later. Just I'm just throwing that out there. you and I had I think we all had 744 00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:28,480 our own private discussions with Rob our Zoom meetings and so so I've evolved a 745 00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:34,079 little bit on that that that a will always be there and so what is 746 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:38,799 the best case scenario to put your toe in the water and test now so 747 00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:43,520 » I I will tell you there's very good continuity across the council around the 748 00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:47,200 blocks D&H uh there's there's one council member thinking there's a 749 00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:51,920 different first step uh but the rest of you think that DNH is the core and and 750 00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:55,839 now you just have slightly different uh points of view around staging and where 751 00:59:54,160 --> 01:00:01,680 to go first and how to piece this together. So, it's an appropriate time 752 00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:06,880 to to add that into the conversation. Okay. So, the final scenario is the 753 01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:11,520 let's do it all. Uh this is the stated intent that you believe that uh that 754 01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:16,480 these borders will actually be a part of Mil Creek over over the next several 755 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:20,240 years. Uh the caveat to this is that we would do this with a staged 756 01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:25,440 implementation approach. So we would go into staging um and and likely this 757 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:29,920 would happen over two or three blocks and over multiple years. So we're 758 01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:33,520 talking five, six, etc. years. I'm not giving you those numbers as planning 759 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:37,839 vehicles, but to say that we would we would come back with this is the 760 01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:42,559 staging, but it would happen over time so that these areas could be assimilated 761 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:46,160 into the city naturally and give staff time to hire appropriately because 762 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:50,960 there's staff that will be ha have to be hired to support each of these. So in 763 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:57,839 this integrated scenario, uh effectively it doubles the size of the city. So it's 764 01:00:53,599 --> 01:01:01,440 22,400 people. Um it uh effectively has both the pros and the cons integrated of 765 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:05,040 all the other scenarios. So it integrates the east neighborhoods that 766 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:08,799 already feel a part of Mil Creek and that use the services today with the 767 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:14,400 commercial corridor going south and the economic opportunity uh associated with 768 01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:19,200 that. The thing that is is an additional note about this is that larger scale 769 01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:24,319 means increased regional influence and so this larger scale does increase the 770 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:29,200 city's bonding capacity uh the ability to go get grants the econ potential 771 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:33,599 economies of scale. So this is this is the one additional benefit if you will 772 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:37,839 of this scenario that is that is it does increase the the influence and the 773 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:44,000 capacity of the city uh in terms of future investments. So from a financial 774 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:50,559 perspective uh in year 1 it brings a net 3.8 million to the city uh and grows 775 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:55,680 over time to 5.9 million in year 18. So uh it it it continues to grow creatively 776 01:01:53,200 --> 01:02:00,559 throughout that period. Um and as we've talked um it it integrates both the the 777 01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:03,920 residential sections to the east and the commercial corridor of the south. This 778 01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:08,640 is effectively a step to accelerate the path of ex annexation. So rather than 779 01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:13,040 you having to come back to the table and make multiple decisions around an intent 780 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:16,400 that you already feel like this is where you're going, this is the statement to 781 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:20,079 say this is where we're going and now let's manage it appropriately and 782 01:02:17,839 --> 01:02:25,760 smartly in implementation and do it and do it over stages. If you look at the 783 01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:31,280 city uh footprint, it also creates uh continuous borders um and um and 784 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:34,079 certainly sets up whatever additional conversations that would come after this 785 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:38,240 whether you would want to talk about going further south or west if that's 786 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:43,119 something if uh that that you choose to do. The con on this one is that doubles 787 01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:47,839 the size of the city and therefore uh it does um uh require it to be staged in 788 01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:51,520 implementation and it just increase risks along the way in terms of uh 789 01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:53,520 things that could come up in the process. 790 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:56,559 » Um council member Cavaleri has a question. 791 01:02:54,799 --> 01:03:00,720 » So this has been one of my biggest worries because what this also does is 792 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:05,680 ties us to some of the latest legislation on mandatory growth for 793 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:12,640 cities with certain u population numbers. And so would that have the 794 01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:16,240 potential to like we want D&H to be a a commercial powerhouse at some point, 795 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:21,839 right? We you know, we want them to really generate money. Um would that 796 01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:25,280 force us into a um situation where we're having to put more apartments in there 797 01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:29,839 just to accommodate the current laws that exist, kind of like we're doing in 798 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:33,839 South Town Center at this point. Now, that's that's one of my biggest worries 799 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:38,559 about this one big swoop, this one big bite. we'd be we'd be pushed into that 800 01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:42,799 corner uh almost immediately. >> Okay. 801 01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:47,839 » Any other questions on this scenario? And then and then I will open it for 802 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:51,520 discussion uh around uh which scenario uh you're thinking about. 803 01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:55,280 » Any other questions? Um council member Paddock. Yeah, I guess a [clears throat] 804 01:03:53,119 --> 01:04:00,160 point of clarification just that each one of these that have multiple blocks, 805 01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:04,960 the idea is is that it would be a single block that would go first, 806 01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:08,880 second block would go second, etc. It wouldn't be grabbing all of it at once. 807 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:12,079 There's no none of these scenarios say we're going to go after all of them in 808 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:17,359 one fell swoop. >> Correct? So se separate the intent for 809 01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:21,119 what you want to do with the how we will do it because we will come back with 810 01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:25,359 then detailed options and recommendations on here is even if you 811 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:29,920 chose this one we'll come back with here is how to stage through this start with 812 01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:32,400 this block and then we'll take time and then we'll do and then the 813 01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:36,989 recommendation is these so we'll we'll come back with that level of analysis. 814 01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:40,240 » Great. [clears throat] 815 01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:46,559 » Any other questions? >> Okay. So what we are looking for is 816 01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:50,400 guidance. Uh and um based on the guiding principles that you laid out, the 817 01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:56,400 scenarios that fit best with your guiding principles uh are effectively 818 01:04:53,119 --> 01:05:00,559 two, three, and four. Um we can change that, but those are the ones that fit 819 01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:05,920 best. And so uh really what we're looking for here is is guidance around 820 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:10,559 your preferred scenario uh for us to do that next level of planning and and 821 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:13,520 implementation staging so that so that you are when you get to the point of 822 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,400 let's make a decision you actually are eyes open. That's what that's what we're 823 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:20,880 looking for is to get you that next level of detail. So based on the 824 01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:24,319 financials and based on the analysis that's been brought to you, this is the 825 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:28,599 point we're looking for guidance on on where where you want us to focus. 826 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:33,280 » Does anybody um have any comments? It's a study session, so you can have 827 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,240 comments. >> I guess I have 828 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:40,319 » or question if that's okay. >> No, go for it. 829 01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:46,480 » So um I know these scenarios we've talked about going through which one 830 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:51,680 which package here um or we want to talk through. Is there any reason what would 831 01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:58,000 be the downside of just saying we want to look at one of the sections 832 01:05:54,720 --> 01:06:03,920 rather than two, three, four, five, six or all of them? Is there any 833 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:08,559 do we are we locked into anything if we say look we just want to go into I'll 834 01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:16,400 I'll because I don't want to jaice the jury. We want to go into zone Z and 835 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:21,520 start there and see what happens. Is there any downside to that? 836 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:26,880 » So I I would bring you back to your guiding principles uh which which uh 837 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:32,880 were meant to guide us in the process of if we're choosing a a scenario or 838 01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:38,079 scenarios that actually are substantive substantively financially creative and 839 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:42,880 can be maintained with the brand and the vision and give you that next step of an 840 01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:46,079 example then there's no reason it shouldn't be on the table. 841 01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:49,680 » Okay. Okay. I thought I might have be missing something. Thank you, 842 01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:55,119 » Council Member Stuckler. >> Well, when I um look at the numbers here 843 01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:58,160 on the on the chart, it would seem to make sense to me and one of our guiding 844 01:06:56,559 --> 01:07:02,480 principles was economic viability. That was really the number one driver. We 845 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:07,119 have some concerns about the future and we wanted to look at annexation as a way 846 01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:10,799 to generate additional income for our city. You mentioned we could take all of 847 01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:14,799 these regions and generate 3.8 8 million, right, in first year. Or we 848 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:18,720 could just take D and H and generate almost three million, which uh is going 849 01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:24,640 to be a lot easier to do, just two little regions, DNH versus adding on A, 850 01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:30,720 B, and C. So, if economic viability is number one, um I I would I would vote 851 01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:36,480 for the for uh D and H and definitely not A because A never makes us money. A 852 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:39,039 cost us forever. So it's not a vi according to these numbers I would you 853 01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:42,480 know and if I really want to believe in economic viability I don't want to go 854 01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:48,559 into a ever that's that's a that's a killer to that's a loser. So um the 855 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:53,200 other thing is it does give us what six 8 9,000 additional residents against our 856 01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:56,960 21,000. So we do increase significantly without overloading the number which was 857 01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:59,839 some of the concerns of other council members that you know we don't want the 858 01:07:58,319 --> 01:08:03,680 tail wagging the dog here. we'd still have the majority of our population 859 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:09,680 within the Mil Creek proper area. And it provides us, you know, a a somewhat 860 01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:13,599 contiguous uh border, not as good as the power line, I thought, but you know, I 861 01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:20,960 think it's something a lot easier to explain. So, DNH um gosh, generate 3 862 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:24,880 million the first year. Um that seems to be the the most viable. And if we 863 01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:28,719 started with council member Paddock's comment, what if we just do D first and 864 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:33,040 then H? I'm having a problem with that. But those two would be the easiest two 865 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:36,520 areas for us to handle and the best possible return. 866 01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:45,839 » Council member Cavaleri also has >> Thank you, Mayor. 867 01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:51,040 Um, yeah, I agree with all the council members. Um, our bullet was strategic 868 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:58,080 value, right? That's that was our main goal here was to have strategic value. 869 01:08:54,480 --> 01:09:03,440 Um I also think it has to have the ability to pass um boundary review board 870 01:09:01,759 --> 01:09:09,279 scrutiny uh uh with council member Steckler's 871 01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:17,040 plan. I think I if you eliminate C from the from the uh model um which 180th is 872 01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:21,120 a you know is really the I guess the delineating line that really runs 873 01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:27,279 through there. I think we'd have a difficult time just simply annexing D 874 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:33,839 and H without C. And so with with those three and a population of 11,700, 875 01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:38,719 I don't think we lose much. I think we I think it provides a lot more opportunity 876 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:43,920 and like I said before a A and B will always be there. I don't think anybody's 877 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:47,839 going to be annexing, you know, towards us from the other side. So I, you know, 878 01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:53,440 while it's still in our muga, I get that. But but um I I think I think those 879 01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:57,199 three together and again keeps us in line with with with our the other vision 880 01:09:55,840 --> 01:10:01,840 other thing we talked about is not wanting to be reverse assimilated or or 881 01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:08,080 like you said have somebody just said the tail wagging the dog. And so, um, 882 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:12,480 I'd like to keep the population numbers down with our combined cities just for 883 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:16,960 that other reason I specified before so that we're not moving into next level 884 01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:21,920 where we have to have a certain amount of density and certain amount of regions 885 01:10:19,679 --> 01:10:27,440 that we cannot utilize this for commercial at some point. Does that make 886 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:33,199 sense? So, so I my personal opinion is the CDH approach would would probably be 887 01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:36,480 the most viable and bear out the least amount of scrutiny from the boundary 888 01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:39,679 review board. >> Great. Thanks. 889 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:45,920 » Um I'm going to speak real quick and then um Council Member Gobeski and then 890 01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:52,159 I was double checking um Melissa, but I um I'm going to agree with um Council 891 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:58,960 Member Cavalerics. I technically agree with um Councilman Stler. If it could 892 01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:04,640 pass the design review board, I I would say let's just move down into DNH 893 01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:08,719 um and just go down and add commercial space because we are really needing 894 01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:15,280 commercial space. And it brings in the financial viability that we need some 895 01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:22,960 more stability and another tier, if you will, of of revenue coming in that's not 896 01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:27,520 totally reliant upon our residents having to have property taxes go up all 897 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:33,840 the time. But that considered, if we're going to need to take in one other spot 898 01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:40,640 in order to be able to get it approved, I I would prefer to go with C rather 899 01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:48,000 than A. So, I would say CDH would be my preference as well. Um, and then Council 900 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:52,800 Member Golki has lit up. I'm looking at um 901 01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:56,880 what I'm hearing from our long-term conversations that we've had about this 902 01:11:54,719 --> 01:12:02,880 and if we're looking at taking these steps 903 01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:07,600 long term, I think that the long-term effect of taking ABCDH, 904 01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:11,760 saying we're going to take it now and then implementing a phased approach 905 01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:15,840 versus saying we're going to take part of it now and we'll probably take part 906 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:20,640 of it later. The end result from an operational 907 01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:27,120 standpoint is the same, but the process is more complex and doesn't signal to 908 01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:33,679 our neighbors that we're taking this process as seriously in terms of those 909 01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:41,040 intangible things we talked about like um influence to the west if that's our 910 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:47,040 eventual goal. So I feel like inevitably we're going to take these areas and for 911 01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:51,760 us to signal now we would like to take them knowing that we would stage the 912 01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:56,400 implementation allows us to stage the implementation in the best possible way 913 01:12:54,239 --> 01:13:01,520 across all five of those areas instead of 914 01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:06,560 the easiest that we think is the easiest now because sometimes there's an economy 915 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:10,880 of scale in those steps also right that like if you take a tiny bit and you take 916 01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:16,719 a tiny bit and you take a tiny bit, you're creating a process each time you 917 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:21,920 take more and that costs money and time. So to just make the decision, this is 918 01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:28,400 what we want to do and then we're going to go ahead and do it correctly over 919 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:32,080 time seems like it would be better for all of us and send a signal 920 01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:37,199 to our neighbors that we are serious about uh growing and we're serious about 921 01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:42,800 having influence in our region. We're serious about our borders and our entry 922 01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:47,480 points and these neighbors that already feel like they're part of our community. 923 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:52,560 » Can I just make a comment? >> Well, 924 01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:55,920 council member Paddock was lit up though. 925 01:13:53,679 --> 01:14:02,080 » So So in that not to pick on your scenario, but but it's really useful and 926 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:07,360 thoughtful the way you laid that out. If we were to not just signal but and 927 01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:13,679 you know announce our presence uh to do these these these um all all of the 928 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:20,320 above if if if you will starting with one of the six or one of 929 01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:27,440 the five [clears throat] but then we learn that hey we're not good at this 930 01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:33,600 and and and this is not as accreative as we'd like it to be or whatever the or 931 01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:40,239 it's it whatever the problems Right. What's our backout? 932 01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:46,600 I is there and I and I'm I don't know. Is there a backout once we've said we 933 01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:46,600 want ABCDH? 934 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:57,760 So then I'll just I guess go finish the thought a little bit because if there's 935 01:14:53,679 --> 01:15:02,560 a backout then I would agree with what Council Member Golioski was saying. um 936 01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:07,040 it may not be exactly that but you know some combination of them because it 937 01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:15,120 would make sense to say to the community etc that this is where we'd like to go 938 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:21,760 but I'm very very conscious of we need to be iterative in this process 939 01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:25,600 and we have a by design we have a threadbear staff 940 01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:29,920 and asking 941 01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:36,400 that threadbear staff to even bring new people on to go out and and grab a big 942 01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:43,440 chunk of population and have our community absorb that population 943 01:15:39,679 --> 01:15:47,280 on the hope that it's going to work. Man, I that'd be hard for me to sign up 944 01:15:45,679 --> 01:15:51,840 for and I think it would be hard for our community to sign up for. But if we 945 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:56,880 could iterate on it and do I'll use numbers so we don't get into the do 946 01:15:53,520 --> 01:16:02,400 section one first and then two and then three and then four. 947 01:15:59,679 --> 01:16:08,000 If we are successful with number one, that seems like the prudent path, the 948 01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:13,199 safest path to go down. Even if it costs more to do in the long run, it will save 949 01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:18,320 us from not making a big mistake if we are not good at step one. And um there 950 01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:22,640 was one more thing I was thinking about that that I've completely lost. Um so 951 01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:28,159 I'll leave it at that. >> So So let me 952 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:32,480 » Well, Rob um Mayor Prom is had her hand raised and hadn't got to speak yet. So 953 01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:36,400 if you want to answer him and then let her and then let her talk. So 954 01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:39,760 » that's okay. Let's let's go to Mayor Prom and then I'll come back. 955 01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:44,159 » Okay. Yes. >> Okay. Mayor Prom, 956 01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:50,560 » thank you very much. Um, I really it's it's I I um after much consideration, 957 01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:55,199 I'm actually very much aligned with what the way that council member Gobieski 958 01:16:53,040 --> 01:17:00,400 phrased it and framed it in the conversation of the signaling that like 959 01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:04,480 this is our larger area and now this next step is what are the which ones 960 01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:08,239 make the sense? How are we going to do it? what are the nitty-gritty of like 961 01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:12,560 what is that communication with these areas and really hearing about it and I 962 01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:16,239 really appreciate council member PA comment about like if we're not good at 963 01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:20,640 it but also what happens that we haven't done any um external communication with 964 01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:24,159 these neighborhoods right and with these communities so what about when we go out 965 01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:27,760 there and we find out you know there's a huge opposition we had someone come to 966 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:30,880 council at the last meeting talking about a particular service and how they 967 01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:36,480 would absolutely be going out there publicly to be talking about um the what 968 01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:39,920 whatever they feel about the the services that might be provided and how 969 01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:46,880 it would be impacted. And I think we can't really go into that discovery 970 01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:52,800 without um making this statement of this is the area that we're going into. I do 971 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:58,560 want to say that for myself personally, I think to understand if we 972 01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:02,960 can do it, if you know, what does this look like? How does this impact our 973 01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:08,960 staff? What is the process like? Is it a vote? Is it ILA? Like what all that like 974 01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:14,400 nitty-gritty it seems the safest and the most you know maybe conservative in in 975 01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:19,600 thinking for time cost opinion is to go with um scenario one which is um A and B 976 01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:23,679 understanding I heard what council member Cavaleri said about like how that 977 01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:27,840 area is you know not like we can come back to it but I do think there's 978 01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:31,199 something to going there first to get the kinks out of this process and what 979 01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:37,199 we're questioning what we're asking about to learn more but um um fully 980 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:40,480 supportive of of signaling that this this area we're looking at not to the 981 01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:45,679 left, not further south, but this is the area we're looking at. And now what does 982 01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:52,480 that mean? Because it does make they all do as individually grouped together all 983 01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:58,400 make sense. Um but if there is um a specific conversation about what areas 984 01:18:55,600 --> 01:19:03,040 within if it's not that larger signaling um I might be on by myself on the AB but 985 01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:07,920 I just wanted to flag my thoughts on it. Thank you. 986 01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:10,880 » Um Rob, if you wanted to go ahead and go back and answer that and then council 987 01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:13,520 member question. >> Um 988 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:18,159 » actually I'll council member Goby. Everybody has questions. I'll I'll defer 989 01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:20,000 to the council members and then we'll and then I'll 990 01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:23,880 » then you >> I'll provide input at the end. 991 01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:35,040 » I respect >> all All right. Um so I just he he pretty 992 01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:40,480 much iterated exactly kind of my thoughts on the matter maybe more 993 01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:45,440 eloquently than I would have. Uh we the things that we do know uh about A and B 994 01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:50,719 is that they're effectively built out and they're residential, right? So 995 01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:55,520 they're not there's no there's night no light at the end of the uh of the 996 01:19:52,960 --> 01:20:01,360 rainbow because we know uh over time it loses money, right? though. Um, 997 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:06,400 those numbers are already factored in, which is why I I said I reassessed even 998 01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:12,239 though it was the safe bet. Once I saw those numbers and then and then Sarah 999 01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:16,640 reiterated them again this evening with um with the longer term data, you can 1000 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:20,000 you can see that they're always going to be there. We'll always have that option 1001 01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:25,920 if it's something we want to do later. So, um I I I like the small bite for 1002 01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:30,159 that reason. And I and I think and the fact that A&B is is like I said like you 1003 01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:33,760 said is completely it's it's residential. We know exactly what it is 1004 01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:39,280 and it's built out. It's not going to change. So um I I think that's probably 1005 01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:45,600 the makes the better case I think for HDC or 1006 01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:51,199 or or whatever hybrid we come up there. But but all at once and the last point 1007 01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:56,080 I'll make is that A&B is still in our muga. So, we we will always have the 1008 01:20:54,000 --> 01:21:01,840 opportunity to go back and get it if we want to. So, it's not going anywhere. 1009 01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:05,600 » Um, Council Member Allison has something to say, too. 1010 01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:11,679 » Yeah. So, to, you know, to carry over that point, A and B are up against an 1011 01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:18,480 area that is not in anyone else's MUA. So, um, it's boundaryless basically. Um, 1012 01:21:16,719 --> 01:21:21,840 at this point in the game, I would rather us just keep looking at the whole 1013 01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:28,000 area. all of them with possible staging of 1014 01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:32,719 those elements. Um I think the assimilation factor for A and A and B 1015 01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:38,960 would be very easy. I'm not so sure about the other areas. Um but the 1016 01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:43,679 revenue D&H, you know, that's it's a no-brainer. We somehow have to go after 1017 01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:47,040 those areas. And I don't know if right now is the right time for us to be 1018 01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:51,600 cutting off our nose despite our face. we've gotten a lot of data collected and 1019 01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:57,120 going one level down so that we can make a good decision 1020 01:21:53,600 --> 01:22:01,840 seems like the right thing to do. >> So, so I am hearing a two strains or two 1021 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:08,159 themes in this conversation there. there is a theme across most of you around 1022 01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:14,320 CDNH or D&H that this south corridor is very important and and that uh is where 1023 01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:19,679 the financial gains come from both from a strategic value and a financial value. 1024 01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:24,239 Um the second theme is there are um about half of you that are thinking that 1025 01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:28,400 the city ends up with all of these and so it's so in that council member 1026 01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:33,760 Paddock back to your comment I think there is the potential for this to be a 1027 01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:38,000 distinction between intent and actual first step uh actual staging of this is 1028 01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:42,639 what you're going to do and so it's something that we'll go off with as as 1029 01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:46,960 we go into staff the next level is look at that staging of exactly how that can 1030 01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:50,320 be and what does that mean for what you come back to the table in terms of the 1031 01:22:48,639 --> 01:22:56,560 language of the resolution or what you would um what you would uh 1032 01:22:54,639 --> 01:23:00,480 » Yes, Laurel. >> I just wanted us to consider so we're 1033 01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:05,760 all thinking about this at the same time. Um as we talk about breaking it 1034 01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:10,000 off into little bits, I don't think the boundary review board would ever allow 1035 01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:15,280 us to just take H. I don't think they would let us just take B. I don't think 1036 01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:20,960 they'd do C. And honestly, I don't know if they'd even say D the way it is would 1037 01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:26,719 work. So, we're going to have to work in scenarios for them to be okay with this. 1038 01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:31,840 So it would probably be some kind of combination of if we were to do it all 1039 01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:36,639 HDC and then BA 1040 01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:42,800 maybe in a phase like one and then the other just logically where I would think 1041 01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:46,159 that step would go >> and and that maps to the themes actually 1042 01:23:44,639 --> 01:23:50,080 that I'm hearing from you that there is a block that's centered in on CDH and a 1043 01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:54,480 block that's centered in on everything which is just simply a staging 1044 01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:58,239 conversation between CD and H versus A and B. So, I think I think we can look 1045 01:23:56,639 --> 01:24:01,840 at it that way. >> Um, Rob, Council Member Paddock had 1046 01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:03,280 something else to say and then Council Member Stler. 1047 01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,880 » Okay. >> Go ahead, S. 1048 01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:10,159 » Yeah, I I defer to Martin first. That's fine. Yep. 1049 01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:16,480 » Thank you. Uh, one of the things I wanted to mention too is is that part of 1050 01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:20,560 the the how is how we uh structure the interlocal agreement with with the 1051 01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:28,560 county as well. So maybe not get maybe not get too hung up on um you know 1052 01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:32,639 blocks because part of how we can get out of it to to council member Paddock's 1053 01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:38,639 question is could be structured within that agreement or how we move forward. 1054 01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:42,560 So um I think that's something important to consider as well. 1055 01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:46,960 » I've I've um heard a couple of comments about the boundary review board and I've 1056 01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:51,360 I don't know where they lie and what the you know and whatnot. However, I've been 1057 01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:58,239 around long enough to know that let's not put that onus on us, 1058 01:24:54,719 --> 01:25:01,600 let's if we want to go for section one and we're afraid that they might say you 1059 01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:06,080 got to take two and three. Let's ask for section one and then let them tell us 1060 01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:09,760 nope, you're going to need two and three >> and and that's why we're asking for your 1061 01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:13,679 guidance of what you want. Then then we can start to have those conversations 1062 01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:17,440 » to give you feedback. >> And thanks for listening. The mayor told 1063 01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:22,159 me to say that council member Stinkle, you're next. [laughter] 1064 01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:29,760 » That was really well done. >> You know, uh, one I'm in agreement on, 1065 01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:33,360 uh, uh, H, D, and C. That's what the boundary review board tells us we need 1066 01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:37,600 to do. I'm that's that's going to be small enough that the the C numbers here 1067 01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:41,679 don't don't deter that much. The concern I've got with A and B is unless we can 1068 01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:47,920 come back with some different rationale numbers analysis. I mean, a is just not 1069 01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:53,040 in in I don't see the benefit to us. I see an economic deterrent to us and b 1070 01:25:50,400 --> 01:26:01,280 the only benefit there was really the projections here for for B is a a a de 1071 01:25:58,639 --> 01:26:06,960 um the expenses are $ 1.5 million less in in B than in A. So they have like I'm 1072 01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:10,560 I'm worried that that may not be a reality that we might not get that low 1073 01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:14,400 of an expense number. So if we go into that that area that that could be even 1074 01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:19,360 also more negative for us. So for me I would I would rather have us put put a 1075 01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:23,280 plan forward on HD and C and you know we haven't talked about west. Would we want 1076 01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:27,360 to go west before we go into A&B if we ever went into AM? I don't see the 1077 01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:32,320 reason for A&B. I do see the the reason for south and we've had lots of people 1078 01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:36,639 Hi Jeff, how you doing? uh promoting going west [laughter] 1079 01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:41,760 for for understandable reasons and and so would that be more important to us in 1080 01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:46,719 the timeline to go west before we go to A&B. So I I'm definitely focused on 1081 01:26:44,639 --> 01:26:49,760 south. Focused on south is what I would recommend. East it could be a discussion 1082 01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:53,760 down the road if the numbers ever change. But you know that's why you know 1083 01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:57,360 people we ask for these numbers to make sense and we get the numbers and if 1084 01:26:55,280 --> 01:27:01,120 these are true numbers it doesn't make sense to go in that just doesn't make 1085 01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:04,880 sense. It makes more sense to do the south and go to the west than to take 1086 01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:07,840 advantage of Martha Lake and take advantage of that development that's 1087 01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:11,440 going to be going on up by the freeway. And also we said something about a 1088 01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:14,320 entryway to our city. You know, there's other challenges with going west. We've 1089 01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:19,199 talked about those at length in our other meetings, but there there's some 1090 01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:23,440 some some great logic and cost uh uh revenue opportunities for us as a city 1091 01:27:21,199 --> 01:27:27,760 to go west. So, the thing that I would play back to you is that the glue 1092 01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:33,199 between all of the options that you're talking about really does center in CD&H 1093 01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:38,320 or DNH. And so, what I would suggest as our next step is we center in on that 1094 01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:44,880 block to get more specific around what it would mean. And we will alternatively 1095 01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:48,960 look at the full scenario of if we're if we were going to think about the ABM 1096 01:27:46,639 --> 01:27:53,199 block as well of what guidance would we give you in terms of staging and and how 1097 01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:58,239 that would happen over time. But I think we start with the center of CDNH as uh 1098 01:27:56,480 --> 01:28:01,199 as the glue that seems to be running through through all of your 1099 01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:03,760 recommendations. >> Um council member Stler, 1100 01:28:02,639 --> 01:28:10,000 » I'm sorry. I just wanted to bring up one other point. I I'll I think I'm hearing 1101 01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:13,040 the council more majority not in support of AMB and maybe I'm wrong but that's 1102 01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:15,760 kind of what I've been hearing to the comments down the line and so 1103 01:28:14,719 --> 01:28:19,520 » though I don't know how many people are really in in into AM. 1104 01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:22,880 » So what I what I heard in all my one-on- ones council member Steckler is that 1105 01:28:21,199 --> 01:28:27,199 there is half that are really thinking about CDH and half that are thinking 1106 01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:31,840 about everything and that's where A&B comes in but the glue is CD&H as the as 1107 01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:35,520 the financial viability engine. I just didn't want you to go to all that re 1108 01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:39,840 research and then have find out that it's not supported. That that was my 1109 01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:43,840 concern. >> Um does Mayor Pertim have another 1110 01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:49,679 comment? No. Okay. Just checking. 1111 01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:53,760 » Okay. So, so in terms of guidance does that uh let me just sanity check that 1112 01:28:51,760 --> 01:29:00,080 we're uh so we're going to focus on the next step as CD&H and we'll go down to 1113 01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:03,520 that next level and start to reach uh see what boundary review board and what 1114 01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:08,159 type of feedback we can get to answer your questions. Um alternatively we will 1115 01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:11,679 think about A and B as a as a staging scenario of what that might look like 1116 01:29:10,239 --> 01:29:16,320 » and and the information will come back in the blocks not not the in the D C 1117 01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:22,480 » in the scenarios. >> Copy. Okay. Yep. Does that play back uh 1118 01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:27,199 correctly as next steps? 1119 01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:32,560 Okay. Um the other thing that I would tell you is I actually think we're at a 1120 01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:37,120 big a pivotal moment in the process. Uh because we talked about multiple go 1121 01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:41,840 no-go uh that we would hit in this process and one of the humps that we 1122 01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:48,719 would hit is the realization of we actually need to do something and uh and 1123 01:29:45,440 --> 01:29:51,600 and that is aligning. And so we're we haven't made decisions yet. You'll get 1124 01:29:50,159 --> 01:29:55,199 to that point where you formally make your decision. But I would say in my 1125 01:29:53,280 --> 01:30:00,080 conversations with you, there is great alignment across the council in terms of 1126 01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:04,880 the need to to to look at these and actually take some sort of action to to 1127 01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:09,199 uh enhance the the financial viability of the city. So that's a big step 1128 01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:14,560 forward. Um and now we can get much more into the details of the how and the 1129 01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:17,920 which ones and and in what time frame so that uh so that you can make eyes open 1130 01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:22,199 decisions of what is that appropriate first step that you want to take. 1131 01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:33,360 Okay. Any other questions or thoughts, Martin or Laura? Yep. Perfect. I think 1132 01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:37,040 one thing I want to comment on too is staff, we consider all the different 1133 01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:41,280 strategic priorities that council has on the plate as well as a lot of the CIP 1134 01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:45,840 projects and the M projects that we're starting to discuss and internally in in 1135 01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:51,679 stage and sequence. And one thing to consider as you grow, so is our bonding 1136 01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:55,520 capacity. So nothing to really get dive into at this point in time, but with 1137 01:30:53,840 --> 01:31:01,520 growth comes your ability to increase sales um bond um you know general 1138 01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:05,920 obligation on property or if it's revenue on storm water and so forth. So 1139 01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:11,760 just something to think about as you as you start to think about not necessarily 1140 01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:21,199 which block but as you get bigger our ability to borrow. And so we'll start to 1141 01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:24,560 more align our projects with um Rob's uh helping us kind of stage things out 1142 01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:28,480 going forward. So I just want to bring that up so council starts to think about 1143 01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:33,280 that as well. >> And Sarah, just uh again, thank you very 1144 01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:37,920 much for all the analysis and depth of work in the financials. 1145 01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:43,840 » No problem. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. 1146 01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,840 » Thank you, Rob. 1147 01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:52,000 Next up, we have another study session. We have a review of the final South Town 1148 01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:57,080 Center Master Plan draft. And tonight, we have Justin Horn, our senior planner, 1149 01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:57,080 and GGLO. 1150 01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:12,960 All right. Good evening, Mayor Council. I'm excited to uh present the uh review 1151 01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:16,800 of our Southtown Center subary plan. Um you know, we had a lot of touch-ins over 1152 01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:20,800 the past few months, but we have a final draft here and uh excited to go through 1153 01:32:19,199 --> 01:32:24,080 it. The goal this uh presentation is to 1154 01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:28,719 review the South Town Center subarial plan and associated uh zoning 1155 01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:32,560 commitments to implement that plan. We'll go over the background and guiding 1156 01:32:30,159 --> 01:32:36,000 principles, redevelopment framework, design and development guidelines, 1157 01:32:34,159 --> 01:32:40,480 implementation recommendation, and next steps. 1158 01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:43,440 All right, so I have I have quite a bit of material to go through, so I'm going 1159 01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:48,719 to go pretty quickly, but just tell me to slow down if I going too fast. 1160 01:32:46,719 --> 01:32:53,760 So from the start, we've had three main project goals. The first is to extend 1161 01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:58,080 and enhance town center. The second is to support long-term 1162 01:32:55,600 --> 01:33:01,199 community and economic vitality. And the third is to align growth with 1163 01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:06,080 infrastructure, mobility, sustainability. 1164 01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:11,679 Paired with those project goals, we also had uh came with four community 1165 01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:16,800 priorities. These are developed uh in um the are our two joint volunteer board 1166 01:33:14,159 --> 01:33:21,440 workshops. Uh the first is pedestrian flow. Want to make sure the sub area is 1167 01:33:18,719 --> 01:33:25,600 safe and accessible for pedestrians. Um the second is community activation 1168 01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:29,280 space. We want to have more community areas people can gather and uh have 1169 01:33:27,679 --> 01:33:34,639 community. Third is diversity of retail. Won't 1170 01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:39,600 there be a big mix of businesses um that active street life? And lastly um 1171 01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:45,920 nature. We want to make make sure that the the green belt is uh preserved and 1172 01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:48,920 um the trails maintain accessible to everyone. 1173 01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:57,760 Here's a summary of our previous actions uh so far. So, sort of the the the start 1174 01:33:55,920 --> 01:34:01,920 to this entire project was the Mil Creek Boulevard study that uh started prior to 1175 01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:05,840 COVID and it finished up in June of 2022. 1176 01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:11,120 That led directly to the creation of the uh Southtown Center sub area as part of 1177 01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:17,199 our uh comprehensive plan adoption in uh 2024. 1178 01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:22,239 Uh we started working with GGLO um on our to develop the plan in May of 2025 1179 01:34:20,719 --> 01:34:26,480 and expanded their scope in December 2025 to include additional financial 1180 01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:31,120 analysis for the financial or the environmental 1181 01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:35,600 planning. Um we had a public comment period from January to March where we 1182 01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:39,760 received quite a bit of public comment and then in March uh planning commission 1183 01:34:38,159 --> 01:34:45,600 recommended a preferred development alternative and then city council um 1184 01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:50,320 selected that preferred alternative in April 2026 1185 01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:58,880 and then just this month we issued our final environmental impact statement. 1186 01:34:54,400 --> 01:35:05,199 And then we um last month uh reviewed the initial draft of the subaria plan. 1187 01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:08,159 And then this month we um we reviewed the design guidelines with the design 1188 01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:14,080 review board. And the planning commission recommended the adoption of 1189 01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:17,080 the subaria plan and amendments uh last night. 1190 01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:23,120 All right. All right. So, we got a quote here from Daniel Burnham, the father of 1191 01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:27,440 American planning, which is, "Make no little plans. They have no magic to stir 1192 01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:32,400 men's blood and probably themselves will not be realized." So, we have tried to 1193 01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:35,600 implement this in our se planning. We think we have a good plan. It's 1194 01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:41,360 ambitious but manageable and I think it's uh you know, it's a has potential 1195 01:35:38,239 --> 01:35:45,920 to be a great asset to the city. The plan itself is divided into six 1196 01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:50,560 parts. There's an introduction, an existing conditions, a redevelopment 1197 01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:56,600 framework plan, design and development guidelines, implementation strategies, 1198 01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,600 and appendices. 1199 01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:04,560 And then here is the vision statement of South Town Center. And it is Southtown 1200 01:36:02,639 --> 01:36:08,719 Center is envisioned as a vibrant, walkable, mixeduse extension of Mil 1201 01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:13,280 Creek Town Center, expanding opportunities for housing, jobs, 1202 01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:17,840 shopping, public gathering, and access to parks, trails, and open space while 1203 01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:22,000 supporting a more connected, resilient, and community oriented future. 1204 01:36:20,719 --> 01:36:25,280 You can see on the right, we have some images. These are pulled from the 1205 01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:32,159 Subbury plan. I think they look pretty nice. I'm pretty happy that turned out. 1206 01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:38,320 So here's sort of the the main um aspects of of the plan. First is having 1207 01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:42,880 a walkable core. Um we make sure there's pedestrian first streets uh better 1208 01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:47,520 connection and parking along the edges rather than on those active streets. 1209 01:36:45,679 --> 01:36:54,000 There's an activated public realm which includes new city parks for for people 1210 01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:59,199 to use. There's a vibrant retail mix where we require um certain commercial 1211 01:36:56,480 --> 01:37:04,560 uses on our main corridors. There's an integrated green network where we have 1212 01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:08,320 North Creek Trail um the green belts uh parks and stormwater features all 1213 01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:11,520 connected. There's a little balance where there's 1214 01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:15,679 active corridors which a lot of with a lot of um activity and commercial and 1215 01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:21,920 then quieter areas for the more residential focused and then it's also 1216 01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:25,080 uh coordinates growth for housing jobs and infrastructure. 1217 01:37:26,480 --> 01:37:35,040 All right. So the redevelopment plan section the plan 1218 01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:40,639 um starts with what exists. So currently the entire sub area is zoned in the town 1219 01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:46,560 center zone. There's no required commercial. There is no maximum density. 1220 01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:51,199 Um the maximum height is 60 ft for residential buildings and 50 ft for 1221 01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:58,800 non-residential buildings. And there's 250 square ft of required open space per 1222 01:37:54,159 --> 01:38:04,159 dwelling unit. And then for um parking um there's a requirement of one space 1223 01:38:00,719 --> 01:38:10,239 per 250 square feet for retail, one space for every 100 to 200 f feet of 1224 01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:17,600 restaurants, one space per every 400 square 400 800 ft of office and 1.5 to 1225 01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:21,480 2.5 spaces per unit based on how large uh the dwelling units are. 1226 01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:32,080 So the sub areas exist now on the left here. You can see that there's very 1227 01:38:29,679 --> 01:38:39,040 large blocks to 900 ft. They're not great to walk around in and there's uh 1228 01:38:35,119 --> 01:38:43,920 no parks, but we have a new proposed framework where we have broken up those 1229 01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:49,280 big super blocks into smaller manageable blocks about 350 ft. So it'll really 1230 01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:55,880 increase the um the walkability of the area. We also have that new central park 1231 01:38:51,679 --> 01:38:55,880 and uh gateway park. 1232 01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:05,520 The neighborhood would then be organized uh along these lines where you have the 1233 01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:10,000 main street which is highlighted in red that goes through the center of the sub 1234 01:39:07,199 --> 01:39:14,560 area. Then in pink you have the central core which would be the new uh central 1235 01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:18,800 park and then the uh dense commercial areas surrounding it. 1236 01:39:16,719 --> 01:39:23,920 The yellow highlighted areas are more residential focused. Uh commercial is 1237 01:39:21,199 --> 01:39:27,920 allowed there but just not required. And then in blue you have the primary 1238 01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:33,280 gateways to the sub area. So you know Mil Creek Boulevard, uh Main Street, 1239 01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:38,239 164th, 161st. These are the primary entries to the city or to the sub area. 1240 01:39:36,719 --> 01:39:42,159 And then in gray, it's a little hard to see. um you have a transition zone 1241 01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:49,119 around the border of the sub area along the north end along 527 and 164 and in 1242 01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:53,199 those transition areas there's extra design guidelines to make sure that the 1243 01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:56,520 buildings uh seamlessly blend into certain areas 1244 01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:04,080 » Justin going back to that uh existing and proposed framework slide it's about 1245 01:40:01,679 --> 01:40:10,800 two or three slides back um the photo on the left u doesn't have 1246 01:40:08,639 --> 01:40:15,119 the walkability because the majority of those structures are commercial for 1247 01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:19,440 commercial use. So, uh that that's always been my biggest worry is you're 1248 01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:25,520 replacing the commercial with uh I believe uh 5,500 apartments was the 1249 01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:30,719 number I heard last time. So, um, while I appreciate the walkability, I'm very 1250 01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:35,679 concerned about the lack of commercial that's that's going to be eliminated 1251 01:40:33,679 --> 01:40:38,719 from the from the city's corridor there right on 1252 01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:42,320 both Libert Highway. >> Yeah, it's a great point. Um, we've 1253 01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:47,199 tried to address that in a couple ways. One of them is that, you know, the the 1254 01:40:44,159 --> 01:40:50,639 existing zoning has no require commercial requirements. So, if it were 1255 01:40:48,719 --> 01:40:54,480 develop redeveloped now, you could end up with 100% residential. So, one thing 1256 01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:58,480 we focus on is making sure that all these key corridors were requiring 1257 01:40:57,280 --> 01:41:03,040 commercial and specific kinds of commercial that are um generate sales 1258 01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:07,040 tax and a lot of pedestrian activity. Um, I can show you we'll get to a part 1259 01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:12,960 where that's where those areas are required. Um, 1260 01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:16,560 but it's it's a balancing act because if we were to require ground for commercial 1261 01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:22,719 across the whole area, we may end up with no development. So, um, but it's 1262 01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:28,960 it's it's a good point. >> I I really What what was our target 1263 01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:35,040 number by the state? Minimum 26.50. So, we're effectively doubling that. 1264 01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:39,520 » For apartments and so again, it's been a concern, always been a concern of mine 1265 01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:45,760 and it and it remains. So, >> yeah. And one motivation to allow that 1266 01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:50,000 much housing was that um when we talked with GGLO 1267 01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:52,960 um the consensus was that if we allow more housing will end up with more 1268 01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:59,239 commercial just because you have the bodies to support the that additional 1269 01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:59,239 retail. Um 1270 01:42:02,480 --> 01:42:11,119 so here is where we're requiring um ground level commercial. Um you can see 1271 01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:17,679 these red highlighted areas is where we require uh commercial to happen. The 1272 01:42:14,239 --> 01:42:20,880 yellow areas uh are flexible areas where commercial is encouraged but not 1273 01:42:19,199 --> 01:42:25,040 required. And one thing I'll get into is we have 1274 01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:32,040 developed some development incentives to to uh encourage additional commercial as 1275 01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:32,040 well in these these yellow areas. 1276 01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:41,679 Here's the street neck work street neck proposed. So um the red is the 1277 01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:46,400 commercial main street. This is uh you know it's the the heart of the the sub 1278 01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:54,080 area where we require a lot of active commercial uses. Um it has um on street 1279 01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:57,600 parking and uh two-way cycle track. Uh purple is Mil Creek Boulevard. It's a 1280 01:42:55,840 --> 01:43:04,320 similar street. It's also has those nice wide sidewalks and a cycle track. 1281 01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:10,400 Um dark blue are these are secondary access streets. This is where you would 1282 01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:15,920 have access to uh parking and um um service access. Then orange around 1283 01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:22,159 Central Park. This is a these are pedestrian oriented streets that can be 1284 01:43:17,679 --> 01:43:26,480 turned in uh um used during festivals or events. They can be converted to 1285 01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:31,480 pedestrian only areas. And then green are pester only paths or fire access 1286 01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:31,480 roads. 1287 01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:38,639 Uh, one nice thing about the sub area is it has great access to transit. Um, 1288 01:43:36,480 --> 01:43:43,840 there's two bus rapid transit lines, the orange and the green line that go north, 1289 01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:50,199 south, and um and then east or sorry, and then west. There's also an east west 1290 01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:50,199 uh local route, route 166. 1291 01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:58,880 Another focus of the plan is to increase uh bike and pedestrian facilities. So, 1292 01:43:56,639 --> 01:44:05,040 we've increased uh bike safety by adding protected bike lanes on Main Street and 1293 01:44:00,639 --> 01:44:09,280 Mil Creek Boulevard as well as on 161st. Um there are several pedestrian oriented 1294 01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:13,840 streets that can be that are designed to slow down cars and make it a safer place 1295 01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:19,520 to walk around and also um can be potentially converted into pest only 1296 01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:25,040 areas during certain uh events. And then we also have a new intersection 1297 01:44:22,239 --> 01:44:29,600 uh or new a new intersection on 161st and highway 527 where people from 1298 01:44:27,679 --> 01:44:34,119 outside sub area can then uh cross the street safely and enter the sub area. 1299 01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:42,159 Possibly I think the most exciting thing for me is the new parks and open space 1300 01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:47,920 that we're proposing. So there's going to be uh three parks in the sub area. Uh 1301 01:44:46,159 --> 01:44:55,199 number one is a central park right in the heart of sub area. Adjacent to it is 1302 01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:59,760 our sponge park which is uh uh a combined facility that incorporates both 1303 01:44:57,199 --> 01:45:05,280 open space and uh storm water facilities. And then three are North 1304 01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:09,560 Gateway Park which connects Mil Creek Boulevard to North Creek Trail. 1305 01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:20,080 As I mentioned, um the the um the sponge park is a combined facility. So, one 1306 01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:24,639 aspect of the plan is developing a regional storm water facility. Instead 1307 01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:28,960 of having every development have its own uh detention vaults and storm water uh 1308 01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:33,040 management, we're combine it all into one facility. So, the entire sub area 1309 01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:38,480 drains as one spot and it's just easier to manage and maintain um and will 1310 01:45:36,719 --> 01:45:42,960 improve our water quality uh before enters North Creek. So what that 1311 01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:48,880 involves is a large vault underneath the central park which then drains into 1312 01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:53,280 shallow chambers um in the sponge park and then during storm events the sponge 1313 01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:57,000 park is designed to fill with water for additional storage capacity. 1314 01:45:58,719 --> 01:46:06,880 All right. So now uh I'll go over our design and development guidelines. These 1315 01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:10,239 are meant to establish a walkable human scale town center that integrates with 1316 01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:13,840 existing town center and starting neighborhood context. 1317 01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:18,400 It'll create a defined and engaging public realm. Uh transition from 1318 01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:22,880 autofocus to pedestrianoriented development pattern over time. Reinforce 1319 01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:27,600 a cohesive Mil Creek town center character. Support mixeduse development 1320 01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:33,440 and housing diversity. And prioritize multimodal mobility and integrated 1321 01:46:29,440 --> 01:46:37,119 parking housing diversity. So what does that what does that boil 1322 01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:40,480 down to? Um one of the things design guidelines focus on are the street 1323 01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:46,159 frontages. There are several different frontage types. One is the primary 1324 01:46:43,440 --> 01:46:51,360 commercial frontage. That's this red red highlighted areas that are focused on 1325 01:46:49,119 --> 01:46:57,360 especially active commercial uses that have a lot of pestern activity. 1326 01:46:53,920 --> 01:47:02,800 uh pink is a secondary mixed frontage which allows um some non-active uses but 1327 01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:08,639 it's still commercial focused and then uh the uh the yellow is 1328 01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:13,840 residential frontages um on other streets although again if 1329 01:47:12,159 --> 01:47:18,239 commercial develops in these areas they would be required to um utilize a 1330 01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:22,400 secondary frontage um were commercial proposed 1331 01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:26,880 and part of those frontages um focuses on pest design. So, it should be great 1332 01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:30,000 for pedestrians walking. It should provide street definition. So, we want 1333 01:47:28,719 --> 01:47:34,080 to make sure that as you're walking down the street, there's defined edges and 1334 01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:40,960 it's very uh comfortable. Weather protection. So, awnings, arcades provide 1335 01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:44,800 protection from rain and sun. Um, and frontage continuity. So, making sure you 1336 01:47:43,199 --> 01:47:48,840 have don't have big gaps in the building frontages as you walk along. 1337 01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:57,520 So the streetscape is designed to be walkable and human scaled. There was a 1338 01:47:54,239 --> 01:48:01,040 big focus on um the ground level. So as pedestrians walk 1339 01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:04,880 along, we make sure that the buildings are designed especially in the ground 1340 01:48:02,639 --> 01:48:11,840 level so that they are really inviting to pedestrians uh with um uh building 1341 01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:16,400 articulation, lots of transparency for uh commercial windows, um trees, 1342 01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:21,040 landscaping, lighting, furnishings, protection. 1343 01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:24,719 um curb cuts along the uh the main streets are minimized. So we'll focus 1344 01:48:23,199 --> 01:48:29,360 all the parking and service areas at certain locations 1345 01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:35,639 and um several streets pri prioritize pedestrians and bikes while safely 1346 01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:35,639 accommodating vehicles at intersections. 1347 01:48:36,670 --> 01:48:42,159 [clears throat] So here are some of the architectural 1348 01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:45,440 standards that are in the the plan. So buildings should be scaled for comfort 1349 01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:49,600 at the street level with varied heights and upper level setbacks. 1350 01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:56,159 Um this bottom picture here shows an example of that. You can see the the 1351 01:48:53,040 --> 01:49:00,080 first 60 feet of the building here or above the first 60 feet there is an 1352 01:48:57,920 --> 01:49:05,440 upper upper level setback. So once you reach 60 ft you have to set back the 1353 01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:09,840 building by 10 ft. Um there's also proposed floor play reductions. So if 1354 01:49:07,679 --> 01:49:15,600 you have a building along the street you can only have 70 feet of building before 1355 01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:19,520 you have to have a 50ft gap. So, um, this provides, you know, it breaks up 1356 01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:23,520 the building so it's more manageable. It feels less imposing. 1357 01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:28,480 We want to make sure the ground floors are active, transparent, and weather 1358 01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:33,440 protected. Um, we also require durable, high quality materials, especially on 1359 01:49:30,480 --> 01:49:39,040 the ground floor. And we make sure that um, roof lines, mechanical screening, 1360 01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:43,719 service and parking are integrated and um, screened from view. 1361 01:49:45,440 --> 01:49:51,119 We've also looked at parking parking areas. We're envisioning a lot more 1362 01:49:49,199 --> 01:49:57,239 structured parking uh in the sub area than surface parking although surface 1363 01:49:52,480 --> 01:49:57,239 parking is allowed uh with some limits. 1364 01:49:57,440 --> 01:50:04,960 And then we are proposing um changing the minimum parking requirements 1365 01:50:02,639 --> 01:50:10,159 slightly and I I'll get into uh some more details of that on a a following 1366 01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:14,560 slide. So implementation recommend 1367 01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:20,320 implementation recommendations there is near-term, medium-term and 1368 01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:24,800 long-term um things that need to happen in the near term. We need to adopt a sub 1369 01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:28,800 area plan. We adopt an urban form overlay district. We need to adopt and 1370 01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:34,239 apply the design and development guidelines. We need to prepare a public 1371 01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:38,000 improvement and funding strategy. We need to initiate right-of-way and 1372 01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:43,440 property acquisition planning and conduct additional property owner 1373 01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:47,280 business and developer outreach. And the lead department for the most of 1374 01:50:45,679 --> 01:50:51,360 these is community development and planning, but public works is also 1375 01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:58,080 heavily involved especially in the the public improvements and right ofway. 1376 01:50:54,320 --> 01:51:02,239 In the medium term, we'll need to um um reconfigure Main Street and Mil Creek 1377 01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:06,639 Boulevard. We will plan priority transportation 1378 01:51:04,239 --> 01:51:10,159 intersection improvements along major intersections. Prepare a basin level 1379 01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:13,520 storm water and green infrastructure plan, 1380 01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:16,719 secure future park and open space opportunities, 1381 01:51:15,199 --> 01:51:23,040 establish development agreement and binding site plan procedures and update 1382 01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:27,840 capital planning and funding programs. In the long term, we want to coordinate 1383 01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:32,320 with developers uh on long-term private development. We want to build out the 1384 01:51:29,679 --> 01:51:37,360 entire open space trail and public rail network. We want to monitor the EIS 1385 01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:42,480 assumptions to make sure we don't uh uh exceed them. And we want to evaluate and 1386 01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:47,239 refine our tools over time to make sure development is happening as we intended 1387 01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:47,239 it to. 1388 01:51:48,159 --> 01:51:55,760 So to make all this happen, we need to pass some zoning code amendments. 1389 01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:59,920 Um and the way we are anticipating that is with an overlay zone. So, an overlay 1390 01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:05,920 zone, um, I guess, let me back up. So, every 1391 01:52:02,639 --> 01:52:11,199 every parcel in the city has as part of a a zoning district, in this case, South 1392 01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:15,040 the town center zone. We want to add what's called an overlay zone, which 1393 01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:19,840 adds additional regulations on top of the underlying zoning. And these overlay 1394 01:52:17,599 --> 01:52:25,280 zones are they're targeted on specific issues like form or streetscape or 1395 01:52:22,239 --> 01:52:31,360 parking. and they provide um additional tools to implement these goals. 1396 01:52:29,199 --> 01:52:35,520 So the overlay zone you have your you have your you know your your zoning 1397 01:52:33,440 --> 01:52:40,880 regulations in the town center and the overlay zone will add additional ones on 1398 01:52:37,440 --> 01:52:45,119 top. Um and if they are more strict the more strict zone uh requirements will 1399 01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:48,719 apply. So here I'm going to run through what 1400 01:52:46,480 --> 01:52:54,239 those standards are for the overlay zone. uh first active 1401 01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:58,400 commercial standards. So we have designated specific corridors where 1402 01:52:56,159 --> 01:53:03,040 these standards apply and uh for now it's Mil Creek Boulevard and Main 1403 01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:07,440 Street. Although once we have plans for Central Park that are um you know firm 1404 01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:11,920 plans, we can add that as an additional corridor 1405 01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:16,080 in these corridors. Any commercial uses on the ground floor have to be 1406 01:53:14,480 --> 01:53:23,040 commercial recognition commercial recreation assembly, food and beverages, 1407 01:53:19,119 --> 01:53:28,560 retail, personal services or lodging. And then um along the street frontage, 1408 01:53:25,679 --> 01:53:33,040 at least 70% of the frontage on these corridors has to be these active uses. 1409 01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:38,400 And at every intersection corner, you have to have these active uses as well. 1410 01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:44,679 And that aligns with these go back a little bit. these um these red areas 1411 01:53:41,679 --> 01:53:44,679 here. 1412 01:53:47,599 --> 01:53:54,000 Okay, we have modified the parking standards 1413 01:53:50,880 --> 01:54:00,080 slightly. Um not huge changes but we are reducing the minimum parking. Um 1414 01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:06,800 so commercial recreation assembly actually no proposed change. Food and 1415 01:54:02,480 --> 01:54:11,920 beverages have um four stalls per 10,000 square feet down from 5 to 10. Retail 1416 01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:20,159 services and sale retail sales and services three per 10,000 ft down from 1417 01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:24,719 3.3 to 4. Lodging unchanged offices uh now two down from a range of 1.25 to 1418 01:54:23,119 --> 01:54:33,199 2.5. And multi-unit dwellings are down to 1 1419 01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:38,560 to 1.25 down from 1.5 to 2.5. We also have a maximum on the amount of 1420 01:54:36,159 --> 01:54:41,960 surface stalls in any one parking lot of 100 stalls. 1421 01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:52,080 » All right. We also have >> Justin, why such a drastic um Can you go 1422 01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:57,520 back to There it is. Why such a drastic reduction in the commercial parking? I 1423 01:54:55,199 --> 01:55:03,679 mean, if if we're hoping this for to cost out and not just be for apartment 1424 01:55:00,159 --> 01:55:07,599 parking um by reducing it, I I don't don't you think that's going to hinder 1425 01:55:05,199 --> 01:55:11,679 everything we're trying to do here? >> I mean, I if we want to encourage more 1426 01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:15,920 commercial, this is one way to do it. Um so, these are the the minimum 1427 01:55:13,679 --> 01:55:18,800 requirements. Um developers can build more than that if they want. If they 1428 01:55:17,199 --> 01:55:22,719 think this is enough parking for our our youth, we our restaurant needs more 1429 01:55:20,239 --> 01:55:26,639 parking, they can add more. We're just we're trying to make the floor low. that 1430 01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:30,560 those the businesses that want to come and they don't think they need as much 1431 01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:38,639 parking are able to um develop affordably. Structured parking is up to 1432 01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:43,920 I mean ballpark around 50,000 bucks per stall. So you start thinking you know um 1433 01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:49,599 it's it's quite expensive to build up the parking. So um 1434 01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:52,560 » yeah the reason I say that is I don't I don't know any businesses that would say 1435 01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:54,239 I want less parking. >> Right. 1436 01:55:53,119 --> 01:55:57,199 » Right. And this this isn't saying they this 1437 01:55:55,760 --> 01:56:03,239 isn't there's no caps here. They can build as much as they want. We're saying 1438 01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:03,239 the minimum the floor is lower. 1439 01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:12,080 We also have provisions for um shared parking. So it could be that um per uh 1440 01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:16,080 businesses can that don't have overlapping time of day uses. Let's say 1441 01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:21,199 you have a business that has it's focused on let's say uh like a church 1442 01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:25,040 would be on has most of its parking requirements on the weekend and you have 1443 01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:28,880 say an office which has most of requirements on the weekdays. They can 1444 01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:34,400 then share parking. Um we have those provisions as well. So they can um you 1445 01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:39,880 know uh you don't we need need as much because you have to share when there's 1446 01:56:36,159 --> 01:56:39,880 offset time of uses. 1447 01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:50,000 We've also added a a housing standard. So, one thing we're worried about is we 1448 01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:53,520 don't want to develop all these plans for these great, you know, all these 1449 01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:57,119 design guidelines for these great beautiful buildings that that work well 1450 01:56:55,360 --> 01:57:02,000 and have support a lot of housing growth. Uh we didn't want that to turn 1451 01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:05,679 into all town homes, uh which wouldn't support the commercial we want or the 1452 01:57:03,599 --> 01:57:10,400 housing targets we need to hit. So, we have a limit of up to 20% of units can 1453 01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:16,000 be middle housing. We want to allow some just not the entire development to to 1454 01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:21,599 happen like that. Um we have setback standards where the 1455 01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:26,239 front setback at the street is 10 ft from the sidewalk. You have to be within 1456 01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:30,719 10 ft of the sidewalk. Um and then there's no setbacks for the side and the 1457 01:57:28,159 --> 01:57:35,040 rear. Our open space standards have also 1458 01:57:32,639 --> 01:57:40,639 changed. So the minimum open space now is 250 square feet per unit which works 1459 01:57:38,639 --> 01:57:45,199 well for lowscale development. Let's say if you're building a small apartment 1460 01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:49,280 building or town homes 250 ft per unit it's great but if you are developing 1461 01:57:47,199 --> 01:57:54,320 larger multif family buildings you reach a point where the amount of required 1462 01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:59,199 open space is larger than the lot you have which is obviously not developable. 1463 01:57:56,880 --> 01:58:05,040 So we have decreased the minimum open space to 100 square feet per unit and 1464 01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:09,280 then up to 25% of the site and then we have some provisions for 1465 01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:16,719 allowing building common areas to be used as open space. So imagine if you 1466 01:58:12,880 --> 01:58:21,119 have a a green roof or um uh indoor amenity rooms like a you know you have a 1467 01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:29,159 movie room or shared areas that every like a exercise room those can count 1468 01:58:23,679 --> 01:58:29,159 towards your um your minimum open space. 1469 01:58:30,400 --> 01:58:37,199 Next up we have requirements for the the building massing and materials. So the 1470 01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:41,440 first is we will limit the maximum building length to 180 ft. So since the 1471 01:58:39,920 --> 01:58:46,480 block size is around 300 feet square feet, you end up with a minimum of two 1472 01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:50,239 buildings per block. You don't end up with, you know, one building consuming 1473 01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:55,040 the entire block. You're going to have numerous buildings. So it breaks up that 1474 01:58:52,719 --> 01:58:59,920 um the mass there. Upper level stepbacks. So above 1475 01:58:57,199 --> 01:59:04,880 the second or third floor, you have to step back the uh the wall by at least 8 1476 01:59:02,719 --> 01:59:09,920 feet along active active commercial corridors 1477 01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:14,239 requiring primary and secondary articulation. So primary articulation is 1478 01:59:12,159 --> 01:59:18,560 major shifts in building massing and those have to happen every 100 ft. And 1479 01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:23,280 secondary articulation is smaller things like um adding balconies or bays or 1480 01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:26,800 windows and it has to happen every 20 to 40 feet. 1481 01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:30,800 And it's just to that's just to break up, you know, the building mass, add add 1482 01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:35,280 more articulation. As I mentioned before, along the edges 1483 01:59:33,679 --> 01:59:40,000 of the sub area, there are transition zones where you have to do at least one 1484 01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:45,679 of these two things. One, you have to reduce the floor plate. So if you have 1485 01:59:42,639 --> 01:59:50,960 70 ft of building, you have to have a break of 50 ft before you can have more 1486 01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:55,199 building. Or you can have an upper level step back. So above the 60 ft you have 1487 01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:58,440 to bring it the walls back by at least 10 feet. 1488 01:59:59,119 --> 02:00:06,800 And then we have required materials on the lower levels. You have to have 1489 02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:13,679 something that's durable um and looks nice like brick or stone or you know 1490 02:00:10,239 --> 02:00:17,599 wood or timber. And it has to be 75% of the facade. And if you use fiber cement 1491 02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:20,599 you can only use those on the upper floors. 1492 02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:32,480 And uh we also have standards for ground floor frontage frontages. So that's you 1493 02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:36,320 know we want make sure that when you're at ground level it's really nice. It's 1494 02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:41,280 pleasant place to walk around. So part of that is frontage continuity. 1495 02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:46,239 This means that along a street at least 70% of the 1496 02:00:44,320 --> 02:00:51,840 frontage on that street has to be occupied by building. You cannot just 1497 02:00:48,159 --> 02:00:56,719 have uh a blank blank spaces. The ground floor has to be high. There's 1498 02:00:54,080 --> 02:01:02,960 a 18 foot ground floor to floor height for non-residential uses. 1499 02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:08,560 Um non-residential uses also required to have 75% transparency on the ground 1500 02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:13,920 floor while residential has to have at least 30%. 1501 02:01:11,280 --> 02:01:19,679 Um, residential areas or buildings must also have an 18inch um, elevation from 1502 02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:27,614 the street level so that there's a a separation between residential areas and 1503 02:01:23,119 --> 02:01:32,400 um, and and the active street life. [clears throat] And you required to or 1504 02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:39,400 you can't have blank walls that are wider than 20 feet on active commercial 1505 02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:39,400 corridors or 30 feet on other areas. 1506 02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:49,040 Um, along active commercial corridors, you're not allowed to have parking 1507 02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:55,040 entrances. And then along other streets, you're allowed up to 60 ft of width for 1508 02:01:51,679 --> 02:02:01,760 those those parking and service areas. Um, and it has to be uh screened with a 1509 02:01:58,080 --> 02:02:07,440 low wall or vegetation. Um and then 1510 02:02:04,639 --> 02:02:11,440 at uh there's a requirement for primary entry frequency. So that means every 75 1511 02:02:09,760 --> 02:02:15,760 ft there has to be a building entrance. So you don't have long stretches where 1512 02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:19,760 there's nothing going on. And then there's also along active 1513 02:02:17,599 --> 02:02:25,599 commercial corridors a requirement for 75% of the frontage to have overhead 1514 02:02:22,560 --> 02:02:30,960 weather protection. Um, other commercial areas had to have 50% weather protection 1515 02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:35,320 and then at every public entryway you're required to have some sort of weather 1516 02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:35,320 protection. 1517 02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:46,000 All right, the next piece of the code update is going to be a development 1518 02:02:42,800 --> 02:02:52,239 incentive program. Um, developments that qualify for the program are given a 25 1519 02:02:48,719 --> 02:02:58,320 foot uh height bonus. And to qualify, you have to either have 70% of your 1520 02:02:55,440 --> 02:03:04,639 French used for commercial uses, 30% of your dwelling units be three or 1521 02:03:01,679 --> 02:03:11,119 more bedrooms, or 20% of your dwelling units as for sale. So, um these came 1522 02:03:08,400 --> 02:03:15,520 from the um the workshops we did with the planning commission and with uh with 1523 02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:20,480 council. Um these are some of the these are three of the most important 1524 02:03:17,199 --> 02:03:24,880 priorities identified. So, you know, um encouraging commercial, encouraging 1525 02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:30,480 familysized um h homes and encouraging for sale homes. We also uh plan to look 1526 02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:34,080 at additional incentives at a later date, but these are the easiest to 1527 02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:38,639 implement now before we develop the entire incentive program. 1528 02:03:37,119 --> 02:03:43,199 We also have the option of expanding this development center program to other 1529 02:03:40,480 --> 02:03:48,880 areas if council decides. For instance, if we want to um extend the development 1530 02:03:46,639 --> 02:03:55,280 center program uh elsewhere in the city, we could for instance um allow the 1531 02:03:51,920 --> 02:03:58,760 forale condo um provision to be used for that height bonus. 1532 02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:08,080 Here's just summary of changes between the current zoning of town center and 1533 02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:14,000 the proposed overlay. Again, we are adding required commercial areas. 1534 02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:19,599 We have similar height except that with with the incentives you get an extra 25 1535 02:04:16,239 --> 02:04:23,840 ft of height. We've reduced the uh open space requirement 1536 02:04:21,599 --> 02:04:27,239 and then slightly reduced the minimum parking standards 1537 02:04:29,119 --> 02:04:35,840 » and the and the height additions would be for 1538 02:04:33,119 --> 02:04:38,480 commercial use and and home ownership dwellings only. Correct. 1539 02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:41,719 » Exactly. Yes. >> Thank you. 1540 02:04:42,480 --> 02:04:50,400 All right. So, next step, um planning commission actually recommended the 1541 02:04:47,679 --> 02:04:56,159 draft and amendments last night. Uh we are reviewing um here at council tonight 1542 02:04:53,599 --> 02:05:01,440 and then we would like to have formal adoption in September. 1543 02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:04,760 Are there any questions? >> Any questions? 1544 02:05:06,639 --> 02:05:12,960 » I can't see. Um, Council Member Dukay, do you have any questions? 1545 02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:14,800 » Nope, she's not lit up. Okay. And Council Member Paddock does have a 1546 02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:19,520 question. >> Not a not a question, but just an an 1547 02:05:16,719 --> 02:05:23,679 accommodation. So, um, all this work was done in a pretty 1548 02:05:21,599 --> 02:05:29,440 relatively short amount of time. It probably felt like a long long time. 1549 02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:32,480 And, um, Chair Hamilton had a a email that he had sent around to the crew and 1550 02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:37,840 I just want to read part of it. said, "My hats off to Serena, Justin, and 1551 02:05:35,199 --> 02:05:43,199 Jeff, and the company that created this this product. It's a top-notch and was 1552 02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:46,800 done in very short time. Kudos to the whole team, and just wanted everyone to 1553 02:05:44,880 --> 02:05:48,960 hear that from from the chair. So, well done. 1554 02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:53,280 » You >> Thank you for sharing that." Um, council 1555 02:05:51,599 --> 02:05:57,280 member Cavaleri and then council member 1556 02:05:54,880 --> 02:06:02,080 Gobeski. >> Thank you, Mayor. So, a lot of this 1557 02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:07,920 looks going looks like it's going to require a large investment from the 1558 02:06:04,239 --> 02:06:14,800 city. So, um if if we go with the vision that you have here, um changing road 1559 02:06:11,119 --> 02:06:18,800 directions and uh maybe purchasing land and whatnot. So, where's um where are we 1560 02:06:17,440 --> 02:06:22,080 thinking that money is going to come from? 1561 02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:26,800 » That's a wonderful question. We I mean that's not we haven't fully explored all 1562 02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:31,599 the options. That being said, it kind of depends on how fast we want it to 1563 02:06:28,320 --> 02:06:37,199 happen. Um, all of these, if we look at some of the street network, um, if we 1564 02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:41,199 wait for private development to build these areas out, all these new streets 1565 02:06:39,599 --> 02:06:44,800 will be built by the developers. They have they'll have to build their half of 1566 02:06:42,560 --> 02:06:49,920 the rideway up to our standards. So, that would be paid for. Um, the regional 1567 02:06:46,960 --> 02:06:53,520 storm facility, um, we are looking at having an inloo fee. So we would build 1568 02:06:52,239 --> 02:06:57,760 it but then when development happens they would pay us back for their 1569 02:06:54,719 --> 02:07:03,360 portion. Um so that's those are some of the ways we can you know we can have 1570 02:07:01,119 --> 02:07:07,840 development pay for itself but again it's uh some things I mean it's be 1571 02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:11,280 expensive building the the parks for instance could be expensive. One 1572 02:07:09,280 --> 02:07:16,880 alternative we've explored but haven't instituted yet would be having um 1573 02:07:13,760 --> 02:07:20,639 perhaps um an inloo fee where if they don't have the minimum open space they 1574 02:07:18,480 --> 02:07:26,480 can pay an inloo fee to us that would go towards building park space. Um we've 1575 02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:31,440 also looked at increasing our park impact fees to pay for the central park 1576 02:07:29,199 --> 02:07:36,079 um as well as um updating our transportation impact fees um which are 1577 02:07:33,840 --> 02:07:38,960 both both those impact fees are quite out of date. So, we want to make up uh 1578 02:07:37,520 --> 02:07:43,920 update those so we get more revenue coming in to pay for these projects. 1579 02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:48,159 Um, as far as the other, you know, the other expenses, uh, a lot it's going to 1580 02:07:45,920 --> 02:07:54,440 be part of our capital improvement plan, um, which, uh, Dan's up next to talk 1581 02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:54,440 about, 1582 02:07:56,159 --> 02:08:03,360 » Council Member Gobies, >> thank you. Um, this entire process is 1583 02:08:01,679 --> 02:08:08,159 clearly a lot of work, so kudos to the whole team. I think it's a beautiful 1584 02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:12,560 vision. Um, I just have a quick question on the process because I haven't been 1585 02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:16,159 doing this for very long. As individual development 1586 02:08:14,159 --> 02:08:19,920 projects come up, >> they meet these requirements, do they 1587 02:08:18,159 --> 02:08:24,880 still go before the design review board for the specific 1588 02:08:22,239 --> 02:08:27,119 » Yeah. So any um any buildings that are built have to be reviewed by the design 1589 02:08:26,239 --> 02:08:31,280 review board? Okay. >> And they would apply these the the DRB 1590 02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:35,440 would apply these standards. Um Okay. >> Yeah. So these standards are across the 1591 02:08:33,360 --> 02:08:39,199 whole thing, but individually somebody still has eyes on their Okay. Exactly. 1592 02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:44,400 » Thank you. I thought so, but I wanted to double check. 1593 02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:51,360 » Um, Council Member Allison. >> So, I had a very specific question. Um 1594 02:08:47,599 --> 02:08:57,760 the light at 160 first >> is that traversible with cars and where 1595 02:08:55,599 --> 02:09:01,760 do they go when they pop out into the central park area that's 1596 02:09:00,480 --> 02:09:06,159 walking only? >> Great question. So the light the light 1597 02:09:03,760 --> 02:09:11,760 164th um yeah it is patrolled by cars cars traversible by cars. Cars can enter 1598 02:09:08,719 --> 02:09:14,880 the sub area there. Um the biggest in fact there's all you can already access 1599 02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:17,679 there. It's an existing access point. Yeah. You just it's not safe pedestrians 1600 02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:22,719 because there's no requirement. >> There's no light. Yeah. 1601 02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:26,239 » And once they once they come in um they'll be able to go north or south 1602 02:09:24,560 --> 02:09:28,880 along around the central park. >> Okay. 1603 02:09:26,719 --> 02:09:31,119 » Although the southern route will be slower because it's one of those 1604 02:09:29,840 --> 02:09:34,679 pedestrian streets. >> Okay. Thank you. 1605 02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:41,320 » Anybody else have any questions? 1606 02:09:41,679 --> 02:09:45,760 » I don't think so. >> All right. Well, thank you so much for 1607 02:09:45,119 --> 02:09:49,000 your time. >> Thank you. 1608 02:09:49,520 --> 02:09:52,520 Um, 1609 02:09:54,639 --> 02:10:03,280 okay. Next up, we're go Well, let's before we move on to item H, 1610 02:10:01,199 --> 02:10:07,760 let's go ahead and just extend the meeting to um 9:00 to be safe. 1611 02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:11,199 » So moved. >> Thank you. 1612 02:10:08,880 --> 02:10:15,119 » Second. I have a motion and a second to extend the meeting to 9:00 p.m. All 1613 02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:19,920 those in favor say I. >> I. 1614 02:10:16,400 --> 02:10:25,920 » Any against? Any extension? Motion passes 6 because council member Stuckler 1615 02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:31,119 has stepped out for a moment. >> I mean Kevlar, I'm looking at you. I'm 1616 02:10:28,239 --> 02:10:37,440 sorry. Oh, I just realized I forgot that. I think um Thank you. And I also 1617 02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:40,960 think that um I forgot that you um city manager had raised his hand and I think 1618 02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:46,239 he wanted to comment it, but I accidentally moved on. Did I? Is it too 1619 02:10:42,639 --> 02:10:52,480 late? Sorry about that. Um okay, next up we have the introduction to the 2027 1620 02:10:48,960 --> 02:10:57,280 2032 capital improvement plan and city manager Martin Yamamoto and Dan Cardy, 1621 02:10:55,199 --> 02:11:01,920 the city engineer are going to lead us in that. 1622 02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:07,040 » Thank you, mayor. Uh just before we get kick off this uh draft of the CIP, I 1623 02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:10,079 just wanted to kind of set the stage for not only how the CIP is part of the 1624 02:11:08,800 --> 02:11:14,000 budgeting process, but it kind of reflects that balance 1625 02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:19,440 um we're trying to strike between what our limited funding capacity is uh 1626 02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:23,119 across maintenance operations as well as all the critical capital investments 1627 02:11:21,679 --> 02:11:28,639 that we want to make going forward, including uh the Southtown Center as 1628 02:11:26,239 --> 02:11:34,880 Council Member Cavaleri had brought up and also the um Mil Creek Community 1629 02:11:31,520 --> 02:11:37,880 Center or i.e. the DRCC. Um 1630 02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:47,760 as we start to talk about this budget process, I want to also mention that, 1631 02:11:45,679 --> 02:11:53,040 you know, staff also internally starting to discuss how we 1632 02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:57,199 draft and stage kind of a lot of these projects. And as as as council member 1633 02:11:55,040 --> 02:12:01,280 Cavaleri had a question about how we're going to fund the Southtown Center. Um 1634 02:11:59,599 --> 02:12:06,960 after we approve that master plan, the next step is to start discussing 1635 02:12:03,920 --> 02:12:11,679 um uh the percentage of infrastructure costs that the city will possibly incur 1636 02:12:09,199 --> 02:12:15,920 and that will come uh as the next phase of the discussions with council. So 1637 02:12:13,440 --> 02:12:20,239 you'll get more information uh as we move forward. Uh same applies to the 1638 02:12:18,079 --> 02:12:25,199 DRCC after we complete that master plan as well. Um but internally staff has 1639 02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:30,960 been work is going to continue discussing. We started one meeting uh to 1640 02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:35,119 to just start to brainstorm and figure out how we're going to fund these 1641 02:12:32,239 --> 02:12:40,239 product projects and uh as we bring on the municipal financial advisor as well. 1642 02:12:36,960 --> 02:12:45,920 That's a key component to um uh working with staff and also bringing um probably 1643 02:12:43,280 --> 02:12:50,320 eventually kind of a draft scenario of how we think we can fund these all these 1644 02:12:48,159 --> 02:12:56,880 projects. We do believe that it's not if but how we do it. Uh time is on our side 1645 02:12:53,119 --> 02:13:00,800 and I think um um we'll just rely on our subject matter experts and then probably 1646 02:12:58,719 --> 02:13:04,480 formalize this beginning the next year on how we're going to stage everything 1647 02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:08,800 going forward with our with our consultants. So uh with that I'll hand 1648 02:13:06,719 --> 02:13:12,440 it over to our city engineer to cover our draft CIP. 1649 02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:22,960 » Good evening. Excuse me. Good evening, Mayor, Mayor Poten, Council. Um, I am 1650 02:13:20,639 --> 02:13:29,199 here tonight to uh do our introduction to the 2027 2032 1651 02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:33,360 capital improvement plan. So, I would like to use this opportunity 1652 02:13:32,159 --> 02:13:38,800 to give you a background on the preparation of the plan um the updates 1653 02:13:35,679 --> 02:13:44,239 that we made to the layout um versus the previous issuances and the proposed 1654 02:13:40,800 --> 02:13:50,480 programmed and non-programmed projects. Um, also in coordination with finance, 1655 02:13:48,159 --> 02:13:57,880 we would like to get council's agreement on the uh priority projects for the 2027 1656 02:13:54,239 --> 02:13:57,880 2028 bienium. 1657 02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:04,639 For background, I've gone over this with you guys 1658 02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:09,119 before, but what is the CIP? What is the capital improvement plan? This is 1659 02:14:07,119 --> 02:14:16,560 primarily a budgeting tool and a budgeting exercise. It says, it looks at 1660 02:14:12,719 --> 02:14:20,880 what our um capital income is and our expenditures and tries to set the 1661 02:14:19,199 --> 02:14:25,040 projects out in the future. So, it looks at our upcoming projects, looks at the 1662 02:14:23,119 --> 02:14:30,079 forecasts for our budgets, and then it also presents a rough schedule, and 1663 02:14:27,280 --> 02:14:37,599 that's um I'll get to that a second. Sorry. Um it 1664 02:14:33,599 --> 02:14:43,360 what it isn't, it's not a work plan. So this is us preparing it and saying we'll 1665 02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:48,400 get we anticipate and hope that um the projects will hit in this year or we'll 1666 02:14:46,159 --> 02:14:53,119 need this funds in this year but maybe the funds don't show up or maybe another 1667 02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:59,599 project goes along or we find a problem with this. So projects may need to shift 1668 02:14:56,639 --> 02:15:04,159 based on the funding or the staffing that we have uh because we may not it 1669 02:15:01,599 --> 02:15:08,159 maybe something came up and we have to uh fix a thousand catch basins all of a 1670 02:15:06,719 --> 02:15:14,800 sudden and our staff needs to jump on that right away. So um 1671 02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:18,880 or there could be that council changes their mind and if you guys want to go in 1672 02:15:17,440 --> 02:15:23,920 a different direction then we go ahead and pivot and go where council would 1673 02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:30,400 like to go. Um, and then as far as the schedule goes, I did a lot of looking at 1674 02:15:26,560 --> 02:15:35,599 other cities CIPs just to see what kind of a layout they have, what kind of a 1675 02:15:32,800 --> 02:15:39,360 um, how they do it and just to get some ideas. And one of the things I found is 1676 02:15:37,119 --> 02:15:44,960 some cities don't even put projected schedules in there. They basically run 1677 02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:49,960 and have these on the shelf and when they have the funding, they'll pick them 1678 02:15:46,639 --> 02:15:49,960 up and go. 1679 02:15:50,239 --> 02:15:56,960 um which [clears throat] projects are in there. So these are based on um council 1680 02:15:55,760 --> 02:16:02,000 priorities that have been passed by ordinances and resolutions primarily. So 1681 02:15:59,679 --> 02:16:07,119 the comprehensive plan, uh the council's strategic visions for 2040 and the 3 to 1682 02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:11,440 five year uh strategic priorities. Um our municipal storm water permit, our 1683 02:16:09,199 --> 02:16:16,000 safety action plan that council adopted last year, uh the midbian update to the 1684 02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:20,719 capital improvement plan. Um, and then other ma major maintenance items that 1685 02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:25,360 have shown up recently. So, we all sat down and took a look at this. Um, staff, 1686 02:16:23,440 --> 02:16:30,239 management, [snorts] executive, we all took a look at it and tried to put 1687 02:16:27,760 --> 02:16:36,960 everything together in a way that still met the council's priorities, but also 1688 02:16:32,559 --> 02:16:40,639 addressed what funding we did have. That being said, I want to talk about 1689 02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:45,120 what we have going on and what we've done. So 1690 02:16:42,800 --> 02:16:50,639 um in the current CIP we have the highway 96 storm storm project which has 1691 02:16:47,439 --> 02:16:54,559 been completed and then by the end of the year we are projecting that 1692 02:16:52,160 --> 02:16:58,639 Sweetwater Ranch, the 2026 paving project, the Veterans Monument and 1693 02:16:56,240 --> 02:17:02,639 Library Park, uh Mil Creek Elementary crossings, Trillium Boulevard and the 1694 02:17:00,800 --> 02:17:06,160 City Hall North projects will all be completed. So we're projecting that by 1695 02:17:04,639 --> 02:17:12,319 the end of year and Trillium Boulevard design of course, not the actual 1696 02:17:07,760 --> 02:17:16,399 construction of it. Um and then we are also ongoing will be going that projects 1697 02:17:14,719 --> 02:17:22,080 that will be ongoing into next year are Silver Crest Drive design uh citywide 1698 02:17:19,200 --> 02:17:25,080 catchbas uh repair and the public works facility. 1699 02:17:25,359 --> 02:17:34,960 So the timeline um today I'm giving you the introduction to the CIP. Um 1700 02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:39,200 September 22nd I will deliver the actual document to you for your review. We will 1701 02:17:37,760 --> 02:17:43,920 have a study session. It's currently scheduled for October 27th along with 1702 02:17:41,439 --> 02:17:48,800 the budget. Um the first public hearing is November 3rd. Final public hearing is 1703 02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:54,399 November 10th and December 1st is our projected adoption date. 1704 02:17:52,479 --> 02:17:58,319 So one thing I did when I came into here is there's a couple things that we had 1705 02:17:55,920 --> 02:18:03,280 been running into that were not clear in the capital improvement plan. Um the 1706 02:18:01,599 --> 02:18:06,559 first one that I wanted to get out of the way is something that we've been 1707 02:18:04,559 --> 02:18:10,479 talking to you guys a lot about. we've been trying to focus on is phase gating. 1708 02:18:08,800 --> 02:18:14,559 So, periodically we'll check in with you guys to on the direction of a project, 1709 02:18:12,880 --> 02:18:19,920 the funding, the schedule, all those kinds of items. What we want to do with 1710 02:18:17,120 --> 02:18:26,080 more of our projects is bring them to 30%. Then we stop for funding because 1711 02:18:22,559 --> 02:18:30,080 30% is a good place to go and say, um, Federal Highway Administration, we 1712 02:18:28,719 --> 02:18:35,519 have this awesome project. Would you like to give us money? And so that's a 1713 02:18:33,280 --> 02:18:39,840 good point that we can say we have a good amount of knowledge and information 1714 02:18:38,000 --> 02:18:44,559 on the budget and the requirements for this project so we can go and get 1715 02:18:41,519 --> 02:18:49,519 funding and then the projects won't continue until we get funding. So that's 1716 02:18:47,599 --> 02:18:53,679 the thought process we we're going into with this. So we will have projects 1717 02:18:51,679 --> 02:19:00,000 prepared to go out and find additional funding. 1718 02:18:57,599 --> 02:19:05,120 Um, another one in there is that I added a new B a new in coordination with 1719 02:19:02,080 --> 02:19:10,559 finance, we added a new uh budget line item in the CIP. It's called unfunded. 1720 02:19:08,559 --> 02:19:16,160 So that way the impact of the project are 1721 02:19:12,719 --> 02:19:22,080 build appropriately. We assume that the design and 20% of the construction phase 1722 02:19:18,960 --> 02:19:27,200 will be paid for by the city and this works out to a standard grant match 1723 02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:31,200 rate. So most every grant that you go for, they'll say that the city needs to 1724 02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:35,439 show that they have interest in it. So we have to show we have to put up at 1725 02:19:32,559 --> 02:19:39,679 least 20% of the cost. The remainder of the project cost is 1726 02:19:37,200 --> 02:19:43,840 called unfunded. That just means that the source of the funds has not been 1727 02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:49,040 identified. Um and the project will not go forward without those funds. And the 1728 02:19:47,280 --> 02:19:52,960 funds can come from any source. They could be standard funding for our CIPs. 1729 02:19:51,760 --> 02:19:57,840 They could be grants. We get appropriations from um higher 1730 02:19:55,040 --> 02:20:03,439 legislative bodies, uh debt issuance, public private partnerships, P3s or uh 1731 02:20:00,800 --> 02:20:08,560 community based public partnerships, uh special districts, levy lid lifts, tax 1732 02:20:06,399 --> 02:20:16,399 increment financing. There's a ton out ton of options out there and we're not 1733 02:20:11,359 --> 02:20:21,600 experts at that. So we have uh engaged a municipal adviser to help us understand 1734 02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:26,760 the best way to leverage our resources to get projects done. 1735 02:20:26,880 --> 02:20:32,319 The other thing is that we've moved more projects to being non-programmed. So 1736 02:20:30,800 --> 02:20:35,760 that just mean that doesn't mean they're dead or anything like that. It just 1737 02:20:33,760 --> 02:20:39,680 means they're on the shelf ready to get going when we when we can do it. This 1738 02:20:38,319 --> 02:20:44,319 provides the information on project costs and schedules and it allows for 1739 02:20:41,680 --> 02:20:48,000 the funding to be sought for those. Many um 1740 02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:51,920 many grants and other opportunities require you to actually have your 1741 02:20:49,600 --> 02:20:55,439 project in the capital improvement plan in order for you to go for them. So if 1742 02:20:54,479 --> 02:20:59,840 they're in there and they're not programmed, it's in the capital 1743 02:20:56,960 --> 02:21:04,920 improvement plan. So that way we we have the opportunity to go and seek funding 1744 02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:04,920 for these projects. 1745 02:21:05,120 --> 02:21:11,520 The other item is that studies used to be in the capital improvement plan, but 1746 02:21:08,720 --> 02:21:15,840 we've gotten um clarification on the rules and regulations about studies and 1747 02:21:13,520 --> 02:21:20,479 they can't be in the capital only uh budgets. So going forward um 1748 02:21:19,040 --> 02:21:24,560 transportation studies will be funded by the streets fund, facilities will be by 1749 02:21:22,399 --> 02:21:32,720 the general fund and surface water will remain in the 401 fund. 1750 02:21:28,960 --> 02:21:38,560 All right, budgeting. So one of the biggest things we've seen 1751 02:21:34,640 --> 02:21:42,399 um as we have been advertising for um design services, for construction 1752 02:21:40,800 --> 02:21:47,600 services, for consulting is costs are going up everywhere and everything the 1753 02:21:45,200 --> 02:21:52,479 costs are increasing. To put it in perspective, we did our 1754 02:21:49,439 --> 02:21:58,920 midbian update at the end of last year. Um that had a total cost of $15,425,000. 1755 02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:12,920 Um, our proposed six-year budget has a programmed budget of 165 million and a 1756 02:22:08,399 --> 02:22:12,920 non-programmed of about 79,500,000. 1757 02:22:13,040 --> 02:22:21,439 Um, now that being said, council has given us direction to go for some big 1758 02:22:18,319 --> 02:22:26,000 projects and so that is accounted for in there. So that that is also a part of 1759 02:22:23,840 --> 02:22:31,920 the reason that the prices have or the overall budgets have gone up. 1760 02:22:29,359 --> 02:22:36,560 What we did when we are were evaluating this and trying to think about the way 1761 02:22:34,319 --> 02:22:40,560 we were going forward with it is that we took the capital plan and broke it into 1762 02:22:38,240 --> 02:22:46,800 smaller buckets. The first one was the 2027 20228 bianium. Then we also did two 1763 02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:52,800 unfunded buckets the active and the long-term. 1764 02:22:49,120 --> 02:22:59,920 For the 2027 2028 bianium um we looked at the money we had. So it is the REIT 1765 02:22:57,200 --> 02:23:05,359 capital fund, surface water fund, bonding um and so that's the focus of 1766 02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:09,760 this. So we're focusing on the high priority projects that must be done. So 1767 02:23:08,319 --> 02:23:14,560 there's a lot of maintenance in there. There is a lot of um catching up on our 1768 02:23:13,200 --> 02:23:20,319 projects that we just have to do from regulatory items. 1769 02:23:18,000 --> 02:23:24,160 This is a wall of text, but it is for your reference. all of the projects. Um 1770 02:23:22,640 --> 02:23:28,960 we're um both Silver Crest Drive and Trillium. 1771 02:23:27,359 --> 02:23:33,359 We are including those for the outstanding um budget authority that we 1772 02:23:31,600 --> 02:23:37,280 have on those projects just in case uh Trillium goes long and Silver Crest 1773 02:23:34,960 --> 02:23:42,000 Drive will continue with its design. But that is only for design. We are not 1774 02:23:40,080 --> 02:23:46,960 proposing any construction on those uh the upcoming bienium. Um, the next two 1775 02:23:45,200 --> 02:23:51,520 projects are the safe streets for all projects that we I I will be coming back 1776 02:23:48,960 --> 02:23:55,040 to you in September most likely to ask for permission to sign the grant 1777 02:23:53,280 --> 02:23:59,520 agreement for that. So, we'll be accepting the funds then. Um, 1778 02:23:57,359 --> 02:24:01,600 » is is that the crosswalk? >> The crosswalks on the 35th Avenue. Quick 1779 02:24:01,200 --> 02:24:05,680 quick. >> That's what I was asking. Thank you. 1780 02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:10,160 » Um, the traffic light program, roads, curbs, 1781 02:24:07,840 --> 02:24:17,520 and markings. Uh, sidewalk maintenance program. Um, 1782 02:24:13,439 --> 02:24:21,680 and there was one other Oh, the parks facilities. Thank you. Um, 1783 02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:27,920 the parks facilities ones, these are programs that we created to be a hybrid 1784 02:24:24,160 --> 02:24:32,880 of capital and maintenance. So, as we go through, there's a lot of deferred items 1785 02:24:30,640 --> 02:24:38,080 that need to be done. Some of them are smaller, like let's go replace all the 1786 02:24:34,720 --> 02:24:42,560 benches in Hillside Park, and that's great, but some of them are larger, 1787 02:24:40,880 --> 02:24:47,040 like, oh, hey, we need a new play structure. And so the larger ones can go 1788 02:24:45,040 --> 02:24:51,200 and tip over into capital, while the smaller stuff our maintenance operations 1789 02:24:48,640 --> 02:24:59,359 group can go ahead and handle in house. Um, so we're asking in a lot of these um 1790 02:24:56,319 --> 02:25:02,800 h 100,000 or a million dollars a year in ongoing costs so that we can go ahead 1791 02:25:01,359 --> 02:25:08,319 and catch up on this deferred maintenance and catch up on these items. 1792 02:25:05,280 --> 02:25:12,479 And so in the future, if it gets better and we don't need this much money, then 1793 02:25:09,920 --> 02:25:18,080 we can scale it back. But for now, we're planning that for the entire um six-year 1794 02:25:15,439 --> 02:25:22,640 program. >> Dan, I have a question. 1795 02:25:20,640 --> 02:25:27,760 Why on earth are we thinking we're going to have to spend $300,000 1796 02:25:25,600 --> 02:25:30,240 on the Penny Creek Natural Area Master Plan? 1797 02:25:28,640 --> 02:25:34,640 » That's the beginning of the designs for that. So, in the future as we are doing 1798 02:25:32,800 --> 02:25:38,640 that, it's figuring out what we want it to be, how we want it to look and go 1799 02:25:37,359 --> 02:25:43,840 forward with that. And then I believe it's also the the beginnings of the 1800 02:25:40,160 --> 02:25:46,319 first stages of that. >> Okay. I think I'm still struggling on 1801 02:25:45,280 --> 02:25:52,160 this one because I feel like it's supposed to be left mostly natural and 1802 02:25:48,240 --> 02:25:55,280 so I'm still struggling on um but maybe this is a different discussion on a 1803 02:25:54,160 --> 02:25:58,479 different day. But >> I I can 1804 02:25:56,160 --> 02:26:01,520 » I have some questions on that because >> yeah because I I feel like if we're 1805 02:25:59,920 --> 02:26:08,640 supposed to leave it mostly natural and not have that much changing in there, 1806 02:26:04,960 --> 02:26:11,840 the 300,000 seems quite a bit. What we were thinking with that is uh things 1807 02:26:10,080 --> 02:26:15,840 like we need to expand the parking area so that it can potentially have uh 1808 02:26:13,439 --> 02:26:20,560 school buses visit and also there's a burm there that's uh was intended to 1809 02:26:19,120 --> 02:26:24,479 keep people from driving through the property and it wasn't really working. 1810 02:26:22,399 --> 02:26:29,520 So we're looking to put rocks along there to have have it be more natural 1811 02:26:27,200 --> 02:26:34,960 things like that. Um so we're trying to keep it natural but get it so that it's 1812 02:26:33,040 --> 02:26:38,640 working better. Mayor, there might need to be an part of 1813 02:26:37,280 --> 02:26:42,319 that's environmental assessment that needs to happen probably before we 1814 02:26:40,640 --> 02:26:46,080 acquire it as well. And there's a few other things in there that city engineer 1815 02:26:44,399 --> 02:26:49,840 put in. I can't remember the other one. >> Okay. 1816 02:26:47,600 --> 02:26:53,280 » That that's assuming we take this. >> Assuming we take it. 1817 02:26:50,800 --> 02:26:57,680 » Correct. >> Um 1818 02:26:55,200 --> 02:27:03,439 so these are the items that are that are in 1819 02:27:00,080 --> 02:27:09,040 our plan. Uh did you guys have any questions on the ones that we included 1820 02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:13,600 on here so far? Okay. So for the bianium we are projecting 1821 02:27:11,439 --> 02:27:19,280 $17,370,000 of capital expenditures. We are 1822 02:27:16,479 --> 02:27:25,359 estimated to have 12.4 million available. Um the surface water items 1823 02:27:23,760 --> 02:27:31,600 specifically the catch basin repairs came kind of out of left field for us. 1824 02:27:27,840 --> 02:27:37,439 Um, we are actually looking to get a rate study done with that as well as 1825 02:27:33,760 --> 02:27:42,720 engage a bond council to reduce the impact on the rate payers so that they 1826 02:27:39,840 --> 02:27:48,240 don't get a sudden $1,200 surface water fee for two years. Um, so we're trying 1827 02:27:45,040 --> 02:27:54,560 to make it uh easier on them for that. We're anticipating a pro just over $5 1828 02:27:50,000 --> 02:27:59,920 million of that to be um bonded and so that would bring our total expenditure 1829 02:27:56,560 --> 02:28:05,520 down to 12.3 million. So we worked very hard very hard all of 1830 02:28:02,960 --> 02:28:12,479 us to get this within budget. Um so our next bucket of projects is 1831 02:28:09,120 --> 02:28:17,040 unfunded active. So these are priority projects. These are the ones that you 1832 02:28:14,319 --> 02:28:19,520 guys want to have done. They're the ones that are the clean, safe, 1833 02:28:18,000 --> 02:28:23,760 well-maintained. They're the economic growth projects. 1834 02:28:21,520 --> 02:28:29,120 We have not identified a funding source yet. Um, but we're actively working on 1835 02:28:26,160 --> 02:28:32,880 it. Once again, grants, public private partnerships, legislative agenda, and 1836 02:28:31,280 --> 02:28:36,960 the projects will proceed once the funding is procured. 1837 02:28:35,120 --> 02:28:42,399 So, these are council goals like Southtown Center, DRCC, 1838 02:28:39,680 --> 02:28:48,240 um, the public works facility. Um, and so for these costs, 1839 02:28:46,560 --> 02:28:54,800 we're looking at a city share of of about 13.25 1840 02:28:50,720 --> 02:29:01,120 million with about 144 million over the six years for those. Um, we do not have 1841 02:28:58,560 --> 02:29:06,240 firm numbers for all of these, but these are based off of um, estimates from our 1842 02:29:03,680 --> 02:29:11,359 consultants. Um, the one thing I do want to note is that the Southtown Center 1843 02:29:07,760 --> 02:29:15,520 related costs, as um, Justin mentioned earlier, they're potentially recoverable 1844 02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:17,920 through latecomer fees and other items like that. 1845 02:29:16,240 --> 02:29:19,120 » Um, Council Member Cavaleri has a question. 1846 02:29:18,399 --> 02:29:24,399 » Yes. >> Thanks, Mayor. Um, going back to the 1847 02:29:21,520 --> 02:29:29,280 proposed projects, um, I I I the big ticket items, uh, city operations 1848 02:29:26,399 --> 02:29:35,040 facility. I know what that is. So, DRCC campus phase one, six million. What does 1849 02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:41,359 phase one consist of? Uh that one is projected to be the design for the um 1850 02:29:39,359 --> 02:29:47,439 the preliminary design for the first phase once council authorizes it. 1851 02:29:44,000 --> 02:29:53,359 » Okay. All right. Thank you. And just so you guys know for the 1852 02:29:49,040 --> 02:30:00,080 calculations for that I took um about 40 I took about 40 million no 30 million 1853 02:29:56,399 --> 02:30:06,520 and added 20% cost for design 20% cost and then 15 for uh construction 1854 02:30:02,560 --> 02:30:06,520 management and 15 for contingency. 1855 02:30:08,240 --> 02:30:12,319 » All right. Then the other section of unfunded projects are the are the 1856 02:30:11,200 --> 02:30:16,960 long-term ones. These are still important projects. It's just that not 1857 02:30:14,640 --> 02:30:20,560 right now. they can wait a little bit while we search for other funding 1858 02:30:18,479 --> 02:30:24,240 sources. Um, and then once again, they'll go once the funding's procured. 1859 02:30:22,560 --> 02:30:29,840 So, these are things like Trillium Boulevard, Old Seattle Hill Road, Dumas 1860 02:30:26,640 --> 02:30:34,240 Road. Um, we identified both 41st Avenue and 9inth Avenue as major projects need 1861 02:30:32,479 --> 02:30:38,800 to get done. Uh, 41st needs to have a half street improvements and, uh, 9th 1862 02:30:36,560 --> 02:30:45,760 needs to be fully rebuilt. Um, and that's 9th south of 164th. 1863 02:30:44,000 --> 02:30:50,800 Um the 133rd Street rightaway extension 1864 02:30:48,080 --> 02:30:56,399 improvements, Brighton Kosure Trail, um Nickel Creek uh fish passage, um and 1865 02:30:54,000 --> 02:31:01,760 then additional water quality retrofits and um a deeper look into Nickel Creek 1866 02:30:59,200 --> 02:31:04,720 Park were all identified for that. >> Um Council Member Allison has a 1867 02:31:03,600 --> 02:31:09,520 question. >> Are these in priority went through in 1868 02:31:06,880 --> 02:31:11,520 order within this grouping of unfunded long-term projects? No. 1869 02:31:10,880 --> 02:31:17,120 » No. >> Okay. So, which is worse shape, 9inth 1870 02:31:13,680 --> 02:31:20,160 Avenue, South, East, or Trillium? >> Ninth. 1871 02:31:18,319 --> 02:31:24,479 » To be honest, I would say Ninth is worse. Um, we're actually looking at as 1872 02:31:23,120 --> 02:31:29,760 part of the pavement preservation program, we're going to look at uh 1873 02:31:27,359 --> 02:31:31,920 heavily patching Ninth so that it can survive until we can do this whole 1874 02:31:31,040 --> 02:31:34,920 project. >> Thanks. 1875 02:31:35,600 --> 02:31:42,160 » But also, that is not to say that Trillian is not in desperate need of 1876 02:31:39,760 --> 02:31:47,359 being repaved. Yeah, I was going to say I think the 1877 02:31:43,439 --> 02:31:51,920 residents are really um frustrated and pushing for us um to get that done 1878 02:31:49,840 --> 02:31:55,439 sooner rather than later. So, I'm not sure. 1879 02:31:53,520 --> 02:32:01,760 I mean, obviously we need money, but I'm not sure how we managed to get that 1880 02:31:57,200 --> 02:32:05,359 moved up. Um also, I see that Mayor Prom just raised her hand. 1881 02:32:04,160 --> 02:32:10,000 » Mayor Prom, >> thank you. I'm sorry. This I just cannot 1882 02:32:08,160 --> 02:32:14,479 find it and I I apologize for not remembering for project numbers. What 1883 02:32:12,399 --> 02:32:18,160 does NM stand for for bright and coherent trail pavement? 1884 02:32:16,399 --> 02:32:21,200 » That's non-motorized. So it's >> I knew I knew it was going to be 1885 02:32:19,600 --> 02:32:22,640 something I knew. Thank you very much. Apologies. 1886 02:32:21,920 --> 02:32:27,120 » Okay, no problem. >> I saw that you had them in order by 1887 02:32:24,880 --> 02:32:30,160 obviously project number and so I was trying to remember what that one was. 1888 02:32:28,479 --> 02:32:33,760 Thank you. >> I thought it stood for no money also. 1889 02:32:33,075 --> 02:32:38,479 [laughter] >> Yeah, exactly. 1890 02:32:36,800 --> 02:32:43,920 All right. So the the [clears throat] next steps, so I've mentioned it several 1891 02:32:40,560 --> 02:32:48,080 times, funding alternatives. So there are a lot I've just listed the ones that 1892 02:32:45,680 --> 02:32:52,319 I could find in a quick web search. And so there's a lot of things that we can 1893 02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:58,319 do. There's a lot more that we can do as well. Um, so that is why we've engaged 1894 02:32:55,520 --> 02:33:05,680 help of a municipal consultant, a rate analysis, and a bond council to to help 1895 02:33:01,600 --> 02:33:13,359 us figure out all of this and help us be smarter with the money that we do have. 1896 02:33:09,200 --> 02:33:22,240 Um, so the council input that I would request is, do you agree with the 2027 1897 02:33:16,560 --> 02:33:25,760 2028 CIP projects? First question. So, okay. 1898 02:33:23,760 --> 02:33:30,640 Um, are there other priorities we haven't included, either short or long 1899 02:33:27,840 --> 02:33:35,200 term? Okay. Um, if you wanted us to, we could 1900 02:33:33,840 --> 02:33:39,920 return for a second round on August 11th. Otherwise, we'll proceed with 1901 02:33:36,880 --> 02:33:45,319 these projects to, um, get the budget built and we'll bring all that to you at 1902 02:33:42,000 --> 02:33:45,319 the end of September. 1903 02:33:46,160 --> 02:33:52,399 » Okay. All right. >> I think we're good. that. Thank you very 1904 02:33:49,760 --> 02:33:56,319 much. >> Oh, um, Mayor Pro Tim, is your hand 1905 02:33:55,120 --> 02:34:00,560 still up from before or [clears throat] did you have another question? 1906 02:33:58,880 --> 02:34:02,800 » I can um follow up separately. Thank you very much. 1907 02:34:01,280 --> 02:34:06,960 » You're welcome. >> Can you bring up the uh 2728 project 1908 02:34:05,760 --> 02:34:10,399 list? >> Yeah. Um, 1909 02:34:08,479 --> 02:34:16,680 » just because it sounded like there might be some 1910 02:34:12,479 --> 02:34:16,680 » The second to last slide, please. 1911 02:34:19,200 --> 02:34:24,120 specifically the funded piece 1912 02:34:29,600 --> 02:34:39,920 » because if there are concerns or maybe differing priorities on council, these 1913 02:34:35,840 --> 02:34:46,000 can be pushed into another bienium. So just for instance, I heard some uh 1914 02:34:43,280 --> 02:34:49,520 questions around Penny Creek. So maybe if 1915 02:34:47,600 --> 02:34:55,600 council didn't feel like we wanted to spend 300,000 in this bianium, that's 1916 02:34:52,640 --> 02:35:00,399 something that we could push out. Um we just want to make sure that we're in 1917 02:34:56,720 --> 02:35:05,120 alignment on all of the projects so that when we do bring this up in budget, 1918 02:35:03,120 --> 02:35:09,920 there's less movement then versus now. 1919 02:35:10,880 --> 02:35:21,560 And some of these things like the catch basin repair may not be as flexible 1920 02:35:17,600 --> 02:35:21,560 versus some of the other projects. 1921 02:35:29,600 --> 02:35:43,920 » Yeah. Uh yes that is um road repairs the uh replace of RPMs the 1922 02:35:38,960 --> 02:35:46,479 um uh striping and also crack sealing thermoplastic as well. 1923 02:35:45,840 --> 02:35:51,200 » Thank you. >> And um I had a quick question. What's 1924 02:35:47,920 --> 02:35:54,319 the village green drive quick build? >> That is the safe streets for all. It's 1925 02:35:52,800 --> 02:36:00,800 basically the same thing. It's looking at um adding a couple temporary RRFBs on 1926 02:35:58,479 --> 02:36:04,399 Village Green Drive as well as uh bike lanes. 1927 02:36:02,240 --> 02:36:07,359 » Okay. >> And yeah, I'll get I'll explain more 1928 02:36:06,240 --> 02:36:12,240 about the safe streets for all when I come back for the uh with the contract. 1929 02:36:10,560 --> 02:36:18,800 » Mayor, if I may. And there's one comment on the Trillium 9th tradeoff. We will be 1930 02:36:16,000 --> 02:36:23,600 working on Trillium prior to 9inth Avenue and the implication there 1931 02:36:21,120 --> 02:36:28,560 patching Ninth until we're ready to make a bigger decision on 1932 02:36:25,520 --> 02:36:30,720 that road till Trillium is a priority overnight. 1933 02:36:30,160 --> 02:36:36,160 » Okay. >> And there are a development process 1934 02:36:32,479 --> 02:36:41,280 tradeoffs for that as well on 9inth. um where we could if there's additional 1935 02:36:39,280 --> 02:36:46,160 developments along Ninth as part of this uh in reaction to the Southtown Center, 1936 02:36:43,680 --> 02:36:51,920 we could do um we could force them to do some of the work for us. 1937 02:36:49,200 --> 02:36:56,389 » The only thing I would ask is that that any proposed budgets going forward never 1938 02:36:54,080 --> 02:37:00,000 say Sweetwater Ranch on them again. [laughter] 1939 02:36:58,240 --> 02:37:04,520 » I'm hoping I can take that off before the end of the year. I think that 1940 02:37:05,520 --> 02:37:11,080 » All right. Thank you all very much. >> Thank you. 1941 02:37:13,760 --> 02:37:21,280 » All right. Next up, we will move on to the consent agenda. Myself and council 1942 02:37:19,280 --> 02:37:27,359 member Allison were on the audit committee. 1943 02:37:22,800 --> 02:37:32,240 So we have item I, approval of checks number 77 70563 1944 02:37:30,399 --> 02:37:37,880 through 70643 and AC wire transfers in the amount of 1945 02:37:34,880 --> 02:37:37,880 $440,49049. 1946 02:37:39,439 --> 02:37:47,120 Were there any exceptions? >> No exceptions. No exceptions. In item J, 1947 02:37:44,720 --> 02:37:50,760 payroll and benefit AC payments in the amount of $374,68140. 1948 02:37:52,319 --> 02:37:57,600 Any exceptions? >> No exceptions. 1949 02:37:54,479 --> 02:38:02,640 » No exceptions. And then item K, city council meeting minutes of July 14th, 1950 02:38:00,080 --> 02:38:04,880 2026. Do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda? 1951 02:38:03,760 --> 02:38:07,840 » So moved. >> Second. 1952 02:38:05,680 --> 02:38:10,000 » I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. 1953 02:38:09,040 --> 02:38:17,520 » I. I. >> I. Any against? Any abstensions? Motion 1954 02:38:14,640 --> 02:38:20,319 passes. 70. Next up, we'll move on to reports. City 1955 02:38:19,520 --> 02:38:26,240 manager. >> Thank you, mayor. A few reports here. Uh 1956 02:38:23,040 --> 02:38:31,200 I have one and then PD as well. Uh first one is well only one that I have is is 1957 02:38:28,800 --> 02:38:35,760 to cancel the August 4th and the August 25th council meetings. If we can move 1958 02:38:34,399 --> 02:38:41,280 forward with that, mayor. >> Yeah. Can I have a motion to cancel the 1959 02:38:38,080 --> 02:38:44,319 August 4th and August 24th council meetings 1960 02:38:43,439 --> 02:38:46,319 » or 25th? >> 25th. I'm sorry. 1961 02:38:45,120 --> 02:38:50,479 » So moved. >> Second. 1962 02:38:47,280 --> 02:38:54,160 » I have a motion and a second. Any discussion? 1963 02:38:52,319 --> 02:38:59,600 » All those in favor say I. >> I. 1964 02:38:54,960 --> 02:39:06,319 » I. Any against? Any abstensions? Motion passes. 70. 1965 02:39:03,120 --> 02:39:10,960 » Next is police updates. Good evening, Mayor, Mayor Potum, Council. I 1966 02:39:08,160 --> 02:39:16,399 have a just a couple of updates for you. Um, Tuesday, August 4th is National 1967 02:39:13,840 --> 02:39:21,040 Night Out at Buffalo Park. Hope to see everyone there. Um, we will have a lot 1968 02:39:18,720 --> 02:39:24,800 of the same entertainment that we have typically. 1969 02:39:23,040 --> 02:39:29,200 Um, we will have the motorcycle there with for the kids to take photographs 1970 02:39:26,479 --> 02:39:33,520 with. We will have our drone demo uh with Detective White. Um we will have 1971 02:39:31,760 --> 02:39:38,960 the speed pitch in line dancing and story time for the kids. Um with 1972 02:39:36,000 --> 02:39:44,720 partnership with Kowanas, the chamber, um Starbucks and Nothing But Cakes, 1973 02:39:41,680 --> 02:39:49,040 there'll be some uh refreshments there as well. Um one of the big things that 1974 02:39:47,040 --> 02:39:53,359 we're asking for this year is so we will be collecting donations for school 1975 02:39:50,479 --> 02:39:57,120 supplies as well as the Mil Creek Food Bank will also be in attendance. So 1976 02:39:54,720 --> 02:40:00,880 anyone that could bring items for those two uh to benefit from, we'd really 1977 02:39:59,359 --> 02:40:06,319 appreciate it. Um and second uh before the meeting 1978 02:40:04,080 --> 02:40:12,960 tonight I handed out to the dis uh our stats for Q2 2020 or sorry it should say 1979 02:40:09,760 --> 02:40:17,120 second quarter 2026 on there. Um those are the correct numbers that are listed. 1980 02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:21,760 Um a couple of points I wanted to make is the reduction in property crimes um 1981 02:40:19,359 --> 02:40:26,319 that we had in in the second quarter of 2026. It's really promising uh the 1982 02:40:24,240 --> 02:40:29,680 reduction in vehicle crimes. there is a reduction in traffic contacts and 1983 02:40:28,160 --> 02:40:35,680 infractions, but that is because we had our motor officer in training um during 1984 02:40:32,560 --> 02:40:40,160 that time frame. And so, uh with his absence, it took a bite out of some of 1985 02:40:37,840 --> 02:40:45,680 that enforcement action. So, other than that, if there's no questions, we'll 1986 02:40:42,960 --> 02:40:48,000 move forward. >> Any questions? 1987 02:40:46,720 --> 02:40:53,840 » I have a question. >> Okay. Neighbor, 1988 02:40:49,520 --> 02:40:57,760 » the um the um school supply uh at National Night Out. Who is the 1989 02:40:55,120 --> 02:41:00,960 organization that is um either collecting it or that you'll be giving 1990 02:40:59,040 --> 02:41:04,800 it to? >> I believe I believe we're accepting them 1991 02:41:02,880 --> 02:41:08,240 at our booth, but I'm not 100% sure on that. I can get that information to you 1992 02:41:06,560 --> 02:41:10,880 uh as quickly as possible. >> Thank you. I just, you know, I know that 1993 02:41:09,439 --> 02:41:14,080 there's the big one, the the stuff the bus through the ever um foundation, but 1994 02:41:12,560 --> 02:41:18,720 I didn't know if there was another organization. It looks like I got my 1995 02:41:16,560 --> 02:41:23,680 answer from the other virtual person on here. So, I will say that it is the 1996 02:41:20,640 --> 02:41:26,479 Everett um uh schools foundation who is will be receiving that. Thank you for 1997 02:41:25,040 --> 02:41:30,240 doing that. That's great. I know that stuff the bus is a huge thing in the 1998 02:41:28,319 --> 02:41:35,040 community. So, thank you very much. >> Yeah. Thank you to our volunteer 1999 02:41:31,439 --> 02:41:38,720 coordinator uh Barb name called something else tonight. 2000 02:41:37,387 --> 02:41:44,000 [laughter] >> Um Council Member Cavaleri. 2001 02:41:41,520 --> 02:41:48,880 Yeah, Chief, are we going to start like um I know what the citizens said earlier 2002 02:41:46,000 --> 02:41:53,120 about the folks speeding with the ebikes and everything. Are we going to start 2003 02:41:50,319 --> 02:41:57,520 tracking those on here? Collisions and am I missing it on here? 2004 02:41:55,200 --> 02:42:02,000 » They would be invol included in those collisions if there were actual 2005 02:41:59,359 --> 02:42:08,240 collisions with vehicles. Um so they're a little bit different. Uh if they're 2006 02:42:04,560 --> 02:42:12,080 actual ebicycles, it's different than a motor vehicle collision, 2007 02:42:09,439 --> 02:42:17,760 » right? Um so that would be a different type of uh documentation. So we are 2008 02:42:14,960 --> 02:42:18,960 working on how do we chart those more accurately. 2009 02:42:18,399 --> 02:42:23,840 » Okay. >> Um we're seeing a lot of complaints uh 2010 02:42:21,520 --> 02:42:31,520 regarding the ebicycles and electric motorcycles. Um but truthfully um we 2011 02:42:28,399 --> 02:42:35,280 haven't seen a lot of actual contact or collisions should just a lot 2012 02:42:34,399 --> 02:42:37,359 of near misses. >> Good 2013 02:42:35,680 --> 02:42:42,880 » which is still a concern. >> Thank you. 2014 02:42:38,880 --> 02:42:46,800 Um, council member Allison. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, do those calls 2015 02:42:45,120 --> 02:42:50,720 come in and get registered under the assist calls in your 2016 02:42:49,200 --> 02:42:53,439 » They can come in in different ways. Okay. So, thank you. 2017 02:42:51,680 --> 02:42:57,120 » It could be a traffic hazard, it could be an assist, it could be different 2018 02:42:54,960 --> 02:43:00,319 different uh what do we call them? Type codes. 2019 02:42:58,399 --> 02:43:04,560 » Okay. There's just a big uptake in the assist calls on your 2020 02:43:03,680 --> 02:43:08,240 » a lot [clears throat] of those are assists to other agencies and things of 2021 02:43:06,080 --> 02:43:11,840 that nature as well. Um, council member Steckler. Hey, 2022 02:43:10,080 --> 02:43:15,520 » quick question, Chief. Um, I've heard some rumors. You can tell me if they're 2023 02:43:12,960 --> 02:43:20,479 true or not, but um are we with the e cycles, which there definitely a lot of 2024 02:43:18,720 --> 02:43:25,200 ordinances now that they are are breaking on those that is our police 2025 02:43:23,520 --> 02:43:28,960 officers confiscating those and taking them back to the making the parents come 2026 02:43:26,880 --> 02:43:33,359 down to the kid to pick them up. >> So, the real concern with ecycles is how 2027 02:43:31,439 --> 02:43:36,800 the what the operation that occurs with them. Um most of the time the officers 2028 02:43:35,200 --> 02:43:44,640 go to contact these individuals and they run. Yeah. So and we are not you know I 2029 02:43:40,640 --> 02:43:48,960 it's it becomes very uh dynamic situation where the officers have to use 2030 02:43:46,160 --> 02:43:53,520 sound judgment uh as to which which way they take that enforcement action. So, 2031 02:43:51,920 --> 02:44:01,200 with dealing with juveniles a lot of the time and their ability to evade us on a 2032 02:43:57,439 --> 02:44:05,840 two- wheeled uh bicycle or motorcycle, >> it makes this situation very difficult 2033 02:44:03,439 --> 02:44:11,520 and they're aware of this and so it's it's very difficult situation and 2034 02:44:09,120 --> 02:44:15,359 » uh I we are meeting with uh representatives, state representatives 2035 02:44:13,040 --> 02:44:19,920 to discuss uh legislative action that might help us in the future. That's 2036 02:44:17,680 --> 02:44:24,080 really we're doing our best to contact as many as we can and educate them if we 2037 02:44:22,319 --> 02:44:30,000 actually do get the opportunity to to talk to some of them and there has been 2038 02:44:27,040 --> 02:44:32,960 a few confis confiscations. >> Okay. 2039 02:44:30,399 --> 02:44:38,160 » Based off of our new ordinance and the changes, 2040 02:44:34,560 --> 02:44:41,120 not not as many as we would hope to see even after some of the education that we 2041 02:44:39,520 --> 02:44:44,240 put out via social media and think other other ways. 2042 02:44:42,080 --> 02:44:47,120 » So reality is you got a lot of people you know taking on the on the lamb. It's 2043 02:44:46,240 --> 02:44:49,600 kind of hard to catch them. >> It's just a 2044 02:44:47,840 --> 02:44:52,479 » when you can you can confiscate, you can, but you know, a lot of times I 2045 02:44:51,439 --> 02:44:54,479 think that's a better use of our officers than racing through the woods 2046 02:44:53,840 --> 02:44:59,240 going after get. >> Very much a balancing act. 2047 02:44:55,760 --> 02:44:59,240 » Yeah. Thanks. 2048 02:44:59,920 --> 02:45:06,960 » All right. I think that's it. >> No other staff reports, Mayor. 2049 02:45:04,560 --> 02:45:12,479 » All right. Thank you. Um, next up, I will move to council reports. So, um, 2050 02:45:09,920 --> 02:45:18,160 the only thing I want to say is I had my, um, mayor meeting, the one that 2051 02:45:15,200 --> 02:45:22,640 Mayor Naring holds every month and really still the topic of conversation 2052 02:45:20,240 --> 02:45:29,439 still is, um, very much the public safety texts that the county is 2053 02:45:24,960 --> 02:45:33,439 discussing. So, um I think we are kind of recommending that everyone, all of 2054 02:45:31,359 --> 02:45:37,840 our council members, everybody reach out to our county council member and maybe 2055 02:45:36,080 --> 02:45:43,200 even all council me county council members and let them know your thoughts 2056 02:45:41,040 --> 02:45:47,439 um on that ahead of when they vote on it, I believe next month. So, um, once 2057 02:45:46,399 --> 02:45:51,760 again, it's really important because this is a councilmatic public safety 2058 02:45:49,680 --> 02:45:57,920 sales cell tax that they can, um, that they can implement and it was already 2059 02:45:55,279 --> 02:46:02,160 voted down by the voters and we'll still have to pay for it and we won't be 2060 02:46:00,319 --> 02:46:07,840 getting anything in return for help for us. So, please 2061 02:46:05,600 --> 02:46:12,720 let them know how you feel about that. And after that, I will call on Mayor 2062 02:46:10,080 --> 02:46:18,720 Part. >> No report. Thank you. 2063 02:46:16,080 --> 02:46:22,560 and Council Member Cavaleri. >> Thanks, Mayor. And just to quickly 2064 02:46:20,720 --> 02:46:28,080 piggyback on what you just said, it's my understanding um the sheriff sent an 2065 02:46:25,520 --> 02:46:32,560 inner office memorandum which pretty much implies that 2066 02:46:30,720 --> 02:46:36,560 uh especially with the conversation I had with two other council members that 2067 02:46:34,240 --> 02:46:43,600 this councilmatic tax will pass. We will not see a penny of it. Um so that that's 2068 02:46:40,960 --> 02:46:49,040 going to happen. and and my other piece, my two cents is um hearts and prayers go 2069 02:46:47,279 --> 02:46:57,520 out to the victims of the bite of Seattle um who were um gunned down by 2070 02:46:54,240 --> 02:47:03,439 thugs in the middle of a what we have come to know as a traditional beautiful 2071 02:47:00,080 --> 02:47:07,760 event in our community and um it's just really unfortunate. Prayers to the 2072 02:47:05,200 --> 02:47:14,240 family. Thank you. >> Council member Stler, any reports? 2073 02:47:11,359 --> 02:47:17,680 I do, mayor. Thank you. Um, couple things I wanted to mention. On on the 2074 02:47:15,680 --> 02:47:24,800 16th, I went to the Snowish County City Dinners County City's dinner. Um, it was 2075 02:47:21,680 --> 02:47:28,319 all about um how cities are coming with ideas to uh generate more income because 2076 02:47:26,960 --> 02:47:32,479 it's we're all in the same boat. Everybody's has a shortfall. So, there's 2077 02:47:30,319 --> 02:47:35,760 a lot of discussion. Um, uh, the additional auto fee that we passed was 2078 02:47:34,240 --> 02:47:39,760 was something that a lot of other cities have already done. Uh one of the things 2079 02:47:37,520 --> 02:47:44,319 that was unique was that um couple of groups like uh Muckle Tio brought in 2080 02:47:41,920 --> 02:47:48,240 city groups to brainstorm ideas and actually help to implement ideas. So 2081 02:47:46,399 --> 02:47:51,520 they went through some some of the discussions they had and some of the 2082 02:47:49,279 --> 02:47:55,359 success that they've had. Uh the big one was annexation. Uh spent most of the 2083 02:47:53,840 --> 02:48:00,479 time talking about that. Everybody's looking at it. Everybody's talking about 2084 02:47:57,120 --> 02:48:04,560 it. um and more so just knowing that they're going to pick up additional 2085 02:48:02,319 --> 02:48:10,960 numbers anyway on on their comp plan, but just to come up with with additional 2086 02:48:07,520 --> 02:48:13,359 um um additional revenue. Um the one idea that I heard that I thought was 2087 02:48:12,160 --> 02:48:16,880 kind of neat was there's going to be a lot of development going on in the next 2088 02:48:15,439 --> 02:48:20,160 few years and all these cities because they're building all these houses to 2089 02:48:18,240 --> 02:48:24,880 make their comp plans. So, a lot of the cities are talking about substantially 2090 02:48:22,399 --> 02:48:28,960 increasing their development fees um because they it's a great revenue stream 2091 02:48:27,040 --> 02:48:33,279 for them. And of course, what they really want is all the cities to develop 2092 02:48:31,439 --> 02:48:36,720 to increase their development fees. So, there was kind of a plea across the 2093 02:48:35,040 --> 02:48:40,240 board. You know, it'd be great if we all did this so the developers would see 2094 02:48:38,160 --> 02:48:44,080 that it's not just a one city deal, but all cities. Just thought that was 2095 02:48:41,520 --> 02:48:49,120 interesting. Uh, also want to put out a uh, special thank you to our marketing 2096 02:48:46,000 --> 02:48:54,240 team and everyone else uh, that helped put on Party in the Park. Um, extremely 2097 02:48:51,520 --> 02:49:01,279 well done. It was it was an interesting event this year. It was um, it was so 2098 02:48:58,160 --> 02:49:05,359 well organized that they moved those kids through on the run and they got 2099 02:49:03,760 --> 02:49:09,359 them back in the car and they got them home. And you know, before it was kind 2100 02:49:07,439 --> 02:49:13,439 of a conglomerate of kids and time and so there's these big crowds milling 2101 02:49:11,120 --> 02:49:17,040 around. It was it was really interesting that it that the crowds didn't seem as 2102 02:49:15,520 --> 02:49:22,000 big although we had a lot more people running in the in the events but it was 2103 02:49:19,279 --> 02:49:26,319 just because it was extremely um well organized. Um I will say that Kuanas 2104 02:49:25,040 --> 02:49:31,200 because yeah I'm going to say something about Quanis you know me um actually 2105 02:49:28,319 --> 02:49:35,840 Quantis uh p had three booths at this event which was really big for for us 2106 02:49:33,840 --> 02:49:41,680 plus an open space for some some games for the kids. Um, and it was extremely 2107 02:49:39,680 --> 02:49:44,960 positive for your Kuanas organization. They got a chance to, we had a chance to 2108 02:49:43,439 --> 02:49:48,800 meet with a lot of the citizens that came through. The kids played the games 2109 02:49:46,479 --> 02:49:52,640 and got tattooed and everything else. And but it was really nice for to meet 2110 02:49:50,880 --> 02:49:58,560 the community and get the community to meet um, uh, Kana. So, uh, kudos to, uh, 2111 02:49:56,720 --> 02:50:01,560 Party in the Park. And that's it. Thank you. 2112 02:50:02,399 --> 02:50:11,720 » Um, Council Member Allison. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, we had City Chat 2113 02:50:07,920 --> 02:50:11,720 on Saturday, 2114 02:50:11,920 --> 02:50:20,000 uh, 10 to 11. Um, that Starbucks is really busy. 2115 02:50:17,439 --> 02:50:24,240 Um, not too many people stopped by to talk to us, though. 2116 02:50:21,359 --> 02:50:32,000 » And we had probably, I don't know, six or eight kids from the student advisory 2117 02:50:26,960 --> 02:50:35,520 council. So, it was an interesting interesting morning. lot of a lot of 2118 02:50:34,240 --> 02:50:39,120 people running in and out of there and that parking lot's not big enough for 2119 02:50:37,040 --> 02:50:42,800 them. >> On a side note, Councilman uh Council 2120 02:50:40,800 --> 02:50:46,240 Member Alderson and myself were extremely well-dressed up for this event 2121 02:50:44,399 --> 02:50:49,920 and uh it's kind of like remind you when you went to the prom and your date 2122 02:50:48,160 --> 02:50:56,399 dumped you or whatever. We had nowhere to go. [laughter] We did talk to one 2123 02:50:52,640 --> 02:51:00,800 citizen though. That was very nice. >> Um all right. Um Council Member Paddock. 2124 02:50:59,600 --> 02:51:05,520 » Yeah, just a [snorts] couple things. Um one of them actually is about uh ebikes. 2125 02:51:02,960 --> 02:51:10,880 So, um, Deputy Chief, uh, Chartran joined, uh, the board meeting for the, 2126 02:51:07,920 --> 02:51:16,960 uh, Parks at Mil Creek HOA, uh, this last month, and there's been quite a bit 2127 02:51:13,279 --> 02:51:23,200 of ebike activity, uh, in uh, in the in the parks. And, um, any event, uh, from 2128 02:51:20,720 --> 02:51:27,279 what the board president had said, um, and I'm almost glad that Eric's not here 2129 02:51:25,279 --> 02:51:33,120 because he said it Eric could not have been more charming or insightful. 2130 02:51:30,080 --> 02:51:39,120 uh he um he had said uh the deputy chief had said um in no uncertain terms to the 2131 02:51:36,319 --> 02:51:44,000 to the community, hey do not engage, do not chase the writers. It just 2132 02:51:41,520 --> 02:51:49,520 encourages them. Um it's dangerous for you, it's dangerous for them. Call 911 2133 02:51:47,520 --> 02:51:52,880 um without hesitation. It's increasingly a problem. We know it's happening 2134 02:51:51,040 --> 02:51:59,120 everywhere like like we we're hearing. So um it was great to have that that 2135 02:51:55,600 --> 02:52:05,200 kind of um engagement. Uh, I think the the parks folks really really 2136 02:52:00,800 --> 02:52:09,760 appreciated that. Um, so well done. Uh, second, um, the monuments, um, at least 2137 02:52:08,080 --> 02:52:15,840 my coming back from vacation and seeing those monuments up, they look fantastic 2138 02:52:12,880 --> 02:52:20,319 and, uh, um, I'm disappointed Jod's not here or excuse me, um, Jody [snorts] 2139 02:52:18,640 --> 02:52:24,000 Hawkins isn't here because the team obviously did a great job with those 2140 02:52:21,760 --> 02:52:27,279 monuments. They just look fantastic. So, well, well done. It was nice coming into 2141 02:52:26,000 --> 02:52:30,279 the city and seeing something like that new. 2142 02:52:32,479 --> 02:52:41,920 » Council member Goeski. >> Yes. Um I attended the Rya 8 uh meeting 2143 02:52:38,720 --> 02:52:46,479 on July 16th. We were able to do a in-person meeting down in Maple Valley 2144 02:52:44,960 --> 02:52:51,840 uh with a meeting followed by a site visit to one of the projects that's 2145 02:52:48,479 --> 02:52:55,920 being funded. Um, it was fascinating to see in person some of the things that 2146 02:52:53,600 --> 02:53:01,439 are being done to reclaim a site. They've they're purchasing 2147 02:52:58,160 --> 02:53:05,920 purchasing land in flood planes from um residents and reclaiming them, allowing 2148 02:53:03,600 --> 02:53:11,359 the flood plane streams to go through. They're creating 2149 02:53:08,000 --> 02:53:15,439 artificial dams with old timbers. It was fascinating. It was great to be able to 2150 02:53:12,560 --> 02:53:19,279 see it in person. Um, I'll be joining the budget discussions in the month of 2151 02:53:17,279 --> 02:53:22,880 August and then that'll come back to a vote in the month of September when I 2152 02:53:21,760 --> 02:53:26,560 don't think I can make it to the meeting, but um, council member Duk said 2153 02:53:24,720 --> 02:53:30,240 she could take my place that time and then their grant round will start up 2154 02:53:28,640 --> 02:53:33,200 again towards the end of this year, beginning of next year. So, that's when 2155 02:53:31,840 --> 02:53:37,920 we would be looking for if we have projects that are would fall under those 2156 02:53:36,160 --> 02:53:42,399 umbrellas. It was on the Cedar River. Yeah, 2157 02:53:41,279 --> 02:53:46,479 that's all. Thank you. >> Perfect. Thank you. Um, before I move 2158 02:53:44,560 --> 02:53:50,399 forward, could I go ahead and have a motion to extend the meeting? I'm going 2159 02:53:48,720 --> 02:53:52,880 to say 9:30. I don't think we need that long, but just to be safe. 2160 02:53:51,840 --> 02:53:53,920 » So move. >> Second. 2161 02:53:53,279 --> 02:53:58,000 » Second. >> I have a motion and a second to extend 2162 02:53:55,840 --> 02:54:00,960 to 9:30. All those in favor say I. >> I. 2163 02:53:58,479 --> 02:54:06,640 » I. >> I have a motion, a second, and 2164 02:54:04,080 --> 02:54:12,479 I can't even think straight anymore. Or seven. Seven yeses, zero nos, zero 2165 02:54:10,080 --> 02:54:17,040 extensions. Motion passes. Um, all right. Next up, we will move to 2166 02:54:14,640 --> 02:54:23,680 audience communication. Is there anyone in the audience? 2167 02:54:20,880 --> 02:54:28,399 Well, sir, will you please give us your name, city, and you have three minutes? 2168 02:54:26,240 --> 02:54:33,439 » Mike, residents of Mills Creek for more than 43 years. 2169 02:54:31,760 --> 02:54:37,359 » Uh, a couple comments. The, uh, annexation discussion is great to have 2170 02:54:35,359 --> 02:54:42,399 Rob Fenty here and and Sarah online. Excellent work by staff and consultants 2171 02:54:40,800 --> 02:54:45,520 and good discussion. I really liked how that went. It's interesting. It kind of 2172 02:54:43,840 --> 02:54:49,600 aligns with where we were probably 10 plus years ago talking about going south 2173 02:54:47,439 --> 02:54:54,399 as a way to get more commercial and an industrial property. So that that idea 2174 02:54:51,680 --> 02:54:59,840 of doing the whatever the letters were again. Uh that makes a lot of sense and 2175 02:54:56,800 --> 02:55:03,520 I think that not not trying to take the D but not C part of it would be very 2176 02:55:02,319 --> 02:55:08,479 tough. And so I think that kind of makes some sense. Uh, couple things I noted. I 2177 02:55:06,000 --> 02:55:13,359 already mentioned to uh to Rob. You may want to take a look at it. The 2178 02:55:11,279 --> 02:55:17,760 scenario 2, three, and four all talked about. 2179 02:55:16,319 --> 02:55:24,640 I can't remember what letter it was now, but the uh the section going down B 2180 02:55:20,720 --> 02:55:31,200 highway. The Muga goes to 196. Those diagrams all had about 188th, 2181 02:55:28,479 --> 02:55:34,240 which is by the new warehouse labeled as 196. I don't think it changed your 2182 02:55:32,880 --> 02:55:37,920 strategy, but you might look at that. I'm sure Sarah probably did the numbers 2183 02:55:36,640 --> 02:55:42,319 right, but don't think about that as being a way to control that entire uh 2184 02:55:40,800 --> 02:55:45,359 corridor. That's some of the bullets where we control the corridor all the 2185 02:55:43,920 --> 02:55:48,080 way to the south end and you don't that way. So, that's something to think about 2186 02:55:46,720 --> 02:55:52,080 and that may be something the boundary review board says, why are you stopping 2187 02:55:49,600 --> 02:55:55,040 a 188th versus 196? That's kind of towards the close of the edge. But 2188 02:55:53,200 --> 02:55:58,479 again, as Council Member Paddock pointed out, you don't have to tell them that 2189 02:55:56,479 --> 02:56:02,160 upfront. Make them ask, but I think you might have to think about what would 2190 02:55:59,760 --> 02:56:05,840 happen if you were forced to go clear to 196. you probably might might not be 2191 02:56:03,920 --> 02:56:09,920 able to stop there. Then wanted to make some comments on um capital plan. I'll 2192 02:56:08,240 --> 02:56:14,160 try to keep it quick. You think about why we're a city. We're a city be 2193 02:56:12,240 --> 02:56:17,680 because of public safety and because of the public infrastructure that we all 2194 02:56:15,840 --> 02:56:21,760 want in terms of roads, sidewalks, parks, and facilities and those kinds of 2195 02:56:19,200 --> 02:56:24,560 things. And so uh city engineer did a good good job of the kind of the things 2196 02:56:23,439 --> 02:56:28,399 we've been talking about the last couple years. The capital plan is a budgeting 2197 02:56:26,399 --> 02:56:32,319 tool and it's kind of scary big numbers. And I really got to thinking about this. 2198 02:56:30,560 --> 02:56:36,399 The biggest project we've ever had up to this point in time, one project has been 2199 02:56:34,399 --> 02:56:40,000 the 35th Avenue Bridge at about five to six million bucks. There's a lot of 2200 02:56:38,319 --> 02:56:43,920 projects on that list that are a lot bigger numbers. That's scary. It's 2201 02:56:42,399 --> 02:56:46,720 because we've gone from being a young city where the developers built 2202 02:56:45,439 --> 02:56:50,640 everything. Things were cheaper back then, too. But now we're faced with 2203 02:56:48,640 --> 02:56:54,640 maintenance issues and with dreams that are pretty big. And so, it's not a not a 2204 02:56:53,200 --> 02:56:58,000 bad thing to think about borrowing money, bonding monies. We've never 2205 02:56:56,080 --> 02:57:01,920 really bonded for anything as a city. It's okay to bond. It's okay to borrow. 2206 02:57:00,240 --> 02:57:04,479 You didn't buy your house with cash. You didn't wait to buy your million-dollar 2207 02:57:03,279 --> 02:57:08,720 house that you're living in until you had a million dollars. You you bought 2208 02:57:06,319 --> 02:57:11,600 that when you knew you had the capacity to pay for the mortgage, the down 2209 02:57:10,240 --> 02:57:16,240 payment in the mortgage. So, think about it that way for all of these things 2210 02:57:12,880 --> 02:57:20,640 we're doing. Um, I will say that funding wise that I think there's been more uh 2211 02:57:18,960 --> 02:57:24,800 attention by council recently and by staff recently in ter terms of looking 2212 02:57:22,479 --> 02:57:28,160 for other places for funds. Don't think you just go to your favorite legislators 2213 02:57:26,640 --> 02:57:33,040 and ask them for a line item of appropriation. You need to stay involved 2214 02:57:30,319 --> 02:57:36,160 with the regional programs, the federal programs, the state programs, the 2215 02:57:34,319 --> 02:57:39,680 regional programs that are programmatic. And so we need to have a pres, we as a 2216 02:57:37,680 --> 02:57:42,720 city need to have presence down at PSRC. You don't have to go there, but you need 2217 02:57:41,200 --> 02:57:47,840 to be watching what's going on at the transportation policy board about how 2218 02:57:44,960 --> 02:57:51,279 the FHWA funds come through the system to us, and you need to get in line 2219 02:57:49,920 --> 02:57:55,520 because everybody else is already in line. So, make sure that you as council 2220 02:57:53,600 --> 02:57:59,279 members are paying attention as legislators to what's going on down 2221 02:57:57,279 --> 02:58:03,920 there. Don't depend just on the representative for from SEC to to tell 2222 02:58:01,600 --> 02:58:07,600 you what's going on and not uh snag the night money before it gets to you. 2223 02:58:05,920 --> 02:58:11,680 » Get involved with TIB. Watch what they're doing. Look what's going on with 2224 02:58:09,600 --> 02:58:17,200 it. ICC is the group that Dan would intend or city engineer would attend to 2225 02:58:14,319 --> 02:58:20,399 to be county uh county staff things, but also the skit group that we used to go 2226 02:58:18,880 --> 02:58:24,160 to. Uh somebody should be going to the skit. It could be elected, it could be 2227 02:58:22,080 --> 02:58:28,080 staff, it could be both. But Skid is a Snowish County Committee for improved 2228 02:58:26,080 --> 02:58:33,040 transportation. And they together with ICC put together a regional 2229 02:58:29,680 --> 02:58:37,040 transportation priority plan that is put in front of the legislators and put in 2230 02:58:34,640 --> 02:58:40,160 front of everybody every couple of years as a way to say these are the 2231 02:58:38,399 --> 02:58:44,240 priorities. And so we need to be on that list uh so that Mil Creek doesn't get 2232 02:58:42,560 --> 02:58:47,279 neglected because everybody's waiting. Everybody else, all the other cities 2233 02:58:45,359 --> 02:58:50,319 have dreams about big projects too. So that's the advice I've got for tonight. 2234 02:58:48,800 --> 02:58:56,160 Thanks. Thank you. Is there anyone else in the 2235 02:58:52,960 --> 02:58:59,520 audience that would like to speak? Right. Name, city, and you have three 2236 02:58:58,720 --> 02:59:04,399 minutes. >> Hey, my name is Jathan. Um, I'm a I just 2237 02:59:02,399 --> 02:59:09,920 graduated from Jackson High School. Um, I live in the parks. Um, I've been here 2238 02:59:06,560 --> 02:59:14,479 since kindergarten. Um, yeah, one, I really appreciate all you guys do. Um, 2239 02:59:12,319 --> 02:59:20,000 yeah. So, on behalf of my family and everyone I know, um, I think there's 2240 02:59:17,439 --> 02:59:25,520 just a couple things I heard that maybe I could add to, um, I think for the 2241 02:59:22,160 --> 02:59:30,080 annexation stuff, um, especially like B, C, D, 2242 02:59:27,520 --> 02:59:34,880 um, I went to Cedarway Elementary, so a lot of those guys I was friends with and 2243 02:59:32,800 --> 02:59:39,520 we went to Jackson High School together. And then we I feel like a a lot of us 2244 02:59:37,600 --> 02:59:44,479 feel like we're just part of Mil Creek. Um, so if you're part I feel like a lot 2245 02:59:42,399 --> 02:59:48,479 of the people in BC and D already feel like they're in Mil Creek, part of Mil 2246 02:59:46,080 --> 02:59:53,359 Creek because they went to Jackson. Um, and because they went to like Heather 2247 02:59:49,920 --> 02:59:58,240 Woodford Middle School. Um, I think the Southtown Center stuff is really cool 2248 02:59:55,520 --> 03:00:04,160 for like teenagers and stuff. Um, I feel like right now, um, like sometimes like 2249 03:00:01,279 --> 03:00:08,880 if we want to go somewhere, we like can have to go like down to like both or go 2250 03:00:06,000 --> 03:00:15,200 up to Alderwood and stuff. Um, so really, um, this gives us a chance to 2251 03:00:11,920 --> 03:00:21,200 take the bus from the parks, let's just say, go down on like I think the 166 to 2252 03:00:19,439 --> 03:00:26,000 like where the Safeway is now, and then immediately be able to shop and never 2253 03:00:23,760 --> 03:00:30,160 use a car. So, that would really be awesome. Um, yeah, I think that's it. 2254 03:00:29,840 --> 03:00:33,880 Thanks. >> Perfect. Thank you. 2255 03:00:34,640 --> 03:00:40,800 Is there anyone else in the audience that would like to speak? 2256 03:00:38,960 --> 03:00:45,840 Is there anyone online that would like to speak? H 2257 03:00:43,200 --> 03:00:50,880 » Barb aka Amy Butcher. >> Yes. Uh 2258 03:00:48,399 --> 03:00:54,479 I lost you. Can you hear me? >> We can hear you and see you. So you 2259 03:00:53,680 --> 03:00:57,359 can't see us. >> I can't on the screen. Okay. 2260 03:00:56,080 --> 03:01:04,080 » Okay. You're there. >> Uh thank you, Mayor Barb Hidle. usually 2261 03:01:00,640 --> 03:01:08,800 uh Mil Creek resident, not for a couple days here. It's a little bit hotter over 2262 03:01:05,840 --> 03:01:16,960 this eastern Washington. I'd just like to make a few comments in regard to your 2263 03:01:12,640 --> 03:01:23,680 annexation scenarios. I was noticing you had dropped all the discussions about 2264 03:01:20,000 --> 03:01:30,960 going straight across 180th to make a nice clean block of 2265 03:01:27,040 --> 03:01:36,479 u inexation. Um, I gather it's because you want to add more commercial 2266 03:01:33,680 --> 03:01:39,920 properties for greater revenue. I sort of like the looks of straight across 2267 03:01:38,399 --> 03:01:46,479 180th. Just my comments. I would sincerely hope 2268 03:01:42,880 --> 03:01:52,319 you, the city, will take on the Penny Creek Nature Area. 2269 03:01:48,960 --> 03:01:57,439 It is such a wonderful asset. The cost on the budget presentation was a bit of 2270 03:01:54,800 --> 03:02:03,600 a surprise to me, too. I hope a search is still actively going on looking for 2271 03:02:01,120 --> 03:02:09,600 grants to take care of that money if it really is needed. Lastly, I hope to see 2272 03:02:07,040 --> 03:02:16,560 many of you at Buffalo Park for National Out a week from tonight on August 4th 2273 03:02:12,319 --> 03:02:21,200 from 5 to 8:00 p.m. Thank you. Thank you, Barb. Is there anyone else 2274 03:02:18,560 --> 03:02:23,279 online that would like to speak? >> Get out of here. 2275 03:02:22,160 --> 03:02:29,200 » All right. Is there anyone else that would like to speak? 2276 03:02:25,760 --> 03:02:33,359 All right. Thank you. >> Nope. Nope. Nope. 2277 03:02:30,960 --> 03:02:40,160 » Lost you. >> Barb is having a hard muting. 2278 03:02:36,560 --> 03:02:45,680 I know. All right. So, with that, we will now move into executive session. We 2279 03:02:43,680 --> 03:02:50,600 will go into executive session to discuss potential litigation pursuant to 2280 03:02:47,600 --> 03:02:50,600 RCW42.30.1101 2281 03:02:52,960 --> 03:03:03,000 I. No action will be taken. We have an estimated time of only five minutes. 2282 03:03:03,520 --> 03:03:09,680 Okay. So, let's say we will we will be back from executive session. I'm going 2283 03:03:07,680 --> 03:03:13,160 to say 9:08 because it takes us a minute to get back there. 2284 03:03:31,040 --> 03:03:35,000 personal. >> Sure. 2285 03:03:44,880 --> 03:03:47,880 C. 2286 03:03:49,279 --> 03:03:54,200 Thank you so much. Have a great evening. 2287 03:03:54,880 --> 03:03:58,040 » I'm sorry. 2288 03:04:20,960 --> 03:04:28,600 That's awesome. >> Yeah, I mean 2289 03:04:25,600 --> 03:04:28,600 it 2290 03:04:34,640 --> 03:04:39,720 is 100%. >> Okay. 2291 03:04:40,880 --> 03:04:43,880 Excuse 2292 03:04:49,200 --> 03:04:52,200 me. 2293 03:05:52,399 --> 03:05:55,399 Nice. 2294 03:06:06,000 --> 03:06:09,000 » Yeah. 2295 03:06:11,760 --> 03:06:14,760 Yes, 2296 03:06:18,000 --> 03:06:21,000 it's 2297 03:06:32,080 --> 03:06:34,080 All 2298 03:06:42,479 --> 03:06:48,680 right. Nice work. 2299 03:08:04,399 --> 03:08:08,840 That's what happens when you're the oldest child. 2300 03:08:15,920 --> 03:08:20,244 » I teleported quickly. [clears throat] 2301 03:08:42,720 --> 03:08:50,080 All right, it is now 9:08. Council has returned from executive session and 2302 03:08:47,359 --> 03:08:56,640 there was no action taken. With that, we will adjourn the meeting at 9:08 2303 03:08:53,359 --> 03:08:59,600 p.m. We will see you back on what? August 11th. 2304 03:08:58,319 --> 03:09:02,800 » Perfect. >> Everybody has gotten silly because 2305 03:09:01,279 --> 03:09:05,800 they're also tired. So, good night everyone.