1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:09,080 Have you seen >> Do you have any comments? 2 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:09,080 » What's that? 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:14,320 » So is it was developed through quite a bit of 4 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:18,599 discussion? >> Okay. Are you develop 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:29,760 I think some of your staff needs to I 6 00:00:27,119 --> 00:00:35,600 make a comment the company not the county is 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:39,559 responsible for improvements and repairs. 8 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:50,360 This is the one that's on the block. There are 10 different 9 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:57,960 » trans west. It's a trans 10 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:21,680 I don't see a lot of responsibility that 11 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:29,280 we wouldn't norally with them with me responsible for getting engineer the 12 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:34,159 thing that needed to be changed and they had to pay for the improvements. It's I 13 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:39,759 think I think our department heads need to look at it. Yeah, folks involved 14 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:43,680 because they'll give us some more heads up than what we want. So 15 00:01:41,439 --> 00:01:48,799 » yeah, I agree and so we haven't done that previously. So that for a minute 16 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:53,280 » maybe right now we go on to the next item or I'll just go to the next item. 17 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:59,200 » Okay, I'll move to go to the next item on the agenda. 10:30. 18 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:03,439 Uh we're starting 10:25 10:40 19 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:09,280 discussion possible approval letter of support for Kash Band Indians community 20 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:15,440 development block grant application. Um, 21 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:22,480 so I had a phone call the other day. The uh Kamosh banded tribunal, the travel 22 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:25,920 plaza down there by Co for um they're looking for a grant. They want to expand 23 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:32,640 that that gas station, that service center on the west side, I believe, of 24 00:02:28,239 --> 00:02:36,400 the freeway. Um, just from talking to him, it sounds like they want 25 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:41,040 to make it more of a truck type stop and add full service showers, B more 26 00:02:39,519 --> 00:02:50,000 bathrooms, um, RV an RV spot. Um, I I I think it's 27 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:54,319 just to expand it into more of a full on truck stop than than anything. So, 28 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:58,959 they're looking for a grant to uh 29 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:08,280 to help with that. And so they they drafted a letter for us to sign um 30 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,280 to help them in that grant process. 31 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,400 So we are 32 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:19,040 trying um they don't have a representative 33 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,879 here. >> No, they don't have a representative 34 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,560 here. >> Okay. 35 00:03:21,519 --> 00:03:27,760 » So it's just >> Yeah, I don't see any problem with that. 36 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:34,200 I don't know if you want if you want to look through that letter real quick. 37 00:03:29,519 --> 00:03:34,200 That's gives you a better idea. But 38 00:03:52,879 --> 00:04:00,560 where's the letter at? Um, you get the No, I think I just sent it 39 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,560 to you. 40 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,880 » John, if it's approved at Marquee, I don't know if you could get our 41 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:18,959 signatures on it and send it back to that. 42 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:21,440 » Yeah, I'll put it on letter head and then this down. 43 00:04:20,239 --> 00:04:26,320 » Yeah, if you could if it's >> Here's the letter. 44 00:04:22,479 --> 00:04:30,840 » Want to review a little bit? Yeah, as a mom. 45 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,840 » Yeah, it is. 46 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:41,440 » Well, the the only thing I ask, they're allowed on reservations to do some 47 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:44,080 things that's really not I wouldn't say inconsistent with state law. Is that 48 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:50,720 what they're proposing? >> They're not doing fireworks or 49 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:55,840 maybe just bathrooms, showers. >> Okay, I'm good. 50 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:58,400 added added fuel service station for I think like semis. 51 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:04,639 » Yeah. >> So So where's that at? At on the It's on 52 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:07,840 that exit. It's on the south exit. I see there's a little 53 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:11,199 » No, it's on the north exit, but it's on the west side of the 54 00:05:09,039 --> 00:05:14,080 freeway. That's the single gas station. >> It's on the north of that middle there. 55 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:18,440 No, >> no, it's I4. 56 00:05:18,639 --> 00:05:23,600 Okay. >> Yeah. West that new gas is that newer 57 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:29,360 gas station on the west side of the road. Okay. Freeway. 58 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:32,639 » Are they ask businesses for them because they're part of the reservation? 59 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,560 » H >> I looked into a lot of things on that 60 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:40,800 because there's a you might need to look into a few things because there's a I've 61 00:05:39,039 --> 00:05:46,479 gotten flagged on a few things from the state tax commission people saying I 62 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:51,840 need to look into that. But is that my tax realm? 63 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:57,520 cuz I I don't know if it's not on the reservation. 64 00:05:54,320 --> 00:06:02,160 » So I would I would say they need it. Now if it was on the reservation I I doubt 65 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:08,000 we would have that any jurisdiction to do that. But since do they have to go I 66 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:12,720 mean the properties have to go through planning and zoning and conditional use 67 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:17,919 permit. They got 68 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,520 um they might have to go through that. They're just trying to get the grant 69 00:06:19,039 --> 00:06:22,240 right now. >> Oh, they're working for a grant. Okay. 70 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,400 » Yeah, they're working on they're not they haven't started anything. 71 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:26,479 » They haven't started anything. >> No, they're just they're trying to get 72 00:06:25,919 --> 00:06:29,039 this grant. >> They're exploring it. They want some 73 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:33,600 support. >> Yeah. So, they apply for a grant. 74 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:37,039 » They not do any of it. They haven't done any of the permitting stuff. 75 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:40,319 » I'm I'm good at them exploring it. Then we can make all those decisions. 76 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:46,000 » So, is that a motion? >> Yeah. I will move that we give them the 77 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:48,240 letter to explore some development over there to support the grant. 78 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:53,639 » Yeah. >> Okay. I'll second it. All 79 00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:53,639 » favor. 80 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:59,080 Yeah. >> No, that works. Yeah. 81 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:06,160 Okay. 10:30 public hearing for the purpose of 82 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:13,919 receiving public comment on the C2 conditions permit application Z 2025 444 83 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:20,000 solar energy system on property located approximately V8 84 00:07:17,919 --> 00:07:27,280 miles west of Clear Lake near Pop Mountain Road and State Highway 257 85 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:30,280 Neptune Solar Energy Park LLC is the applicant. 86 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:40,560 You're going to need that to proceed. And somebody is somebody here from the 87 00:07:37,919 --> 00:07:45,440 Okay. You can get up and explain it then. Yeah. For public comment. 88 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:50,240 Sorry. Can I get a motion? >> I make a motion to go to a public 89 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:54,560 hearing. Are you sure? All in favor? 90 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:58,160 » I just want to state your name with Yeah. My name is Robert Wilson. I'm 91 00:07:56,479 --> 00:08:04,560 senior development manager with Renewables. We are a kind of sister 92 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:10,720 company for the entity Q cells a domestic solar panel manufacturer and 93 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:16,639 EPC contractor. Okay. Um you want to just explain about 94 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:23,759 the project that we're uh solar energy park is a 199 megawatt uh for voltaic 95 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:30,240 solar energy facility. Um we haven't executed interconnection agreement with 96 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:35,039 Pacific or Rocky Mountain Power. Um it's cited on BLM lands. We're just about to 97 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:39,440 enter in the neoscoping period for an environmental assessment and we've 98 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:45,519 completed the variance process under which we did all of our habitat surveys 99 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:51,519 um wetland delineations um biological studies and all that uh to 100 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:58,399 research the site. Um the project would provide power to roughly 40,000 uh Utah 101 00:08:55,360 --> 00:09:07,560 homes um and would tap into the Black Rock substation right there uh just 102 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:07,560 north or northeast of uh Pot Mountain. 103 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:16,240 » How many acres do you plan on covering with these solar panels? 104 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:20,360 » Roughly 1,000 acres. I think it's 1,32 on the side just north of it. 105 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:29,519 Did you say you manufacture these? >> Yep. We've got two facilities in Georgia 106 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:35,519 that manufacture solar panels um in the United States. Um they're a sister 107 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:40,880 company called QELS uh owned by Hanwa Group and uh we are the developers for 108 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,600 the utility scale solar energy projects. Okay. 109 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,920 » I guess I should let the public go first. 110 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:52,880 » Yeah. Sorry. That's all right. I don't know if there's any public here. So, 111 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:55,120 uh, any public comment? Okay. If not, I'll entertain a motion to 112 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:59,040 leave. >> I'll make a motion close public hearing. 113 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:03,519 I say, >> all in favor? 114 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:08,480 » I I Okay. Uh discussion and possible approval of C2 conditional use permit Z 115 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:14,399 202545 for a solar energy system 116 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:20,720 uh on property located 8 mi west of Clear Lake near Pop Mountain Road and 117 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:25,120 State Highway 257 Neptune Solar Park LLC applicant 118 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:31,040 commissioner. Now you can >> I'm assuming you have approximately 119 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:32,959 10,32 acres. This is coming,32. What? 120 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:38,880 » 1,032. >> Yeah, they will be leased from the BLM. 121 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:43,279 » Okay. Is this um just on the west side of 257 or just 122 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,519 on the east side of 257? >> West. Just on just on the west side 123 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:49,680 there. >> You know where Sunstone is? No. 124 00:10:47,839 --> 00:10:52,640 » Like if you looked across. I mean, it's so far as to say they throw a stone, but 125 00:10:50,959 --> 00:10:56,800 » there's kind of those DS like those trains. There's some type of little 126 00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:00,320 converter station or there's a bunch of lines. Not a bunch of lines. 127 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:06,079 » Yeah. >> It's about a mile and a half west off of 128 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:12,160 the highway. Okay. So question 129 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:18,720 to get the lease agreement with BLM. >> So a record of decision is what the BLM 130 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:25,839 will issue after we finish the roughly 12 month environmental assessment. Okay. 131 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:30,640 » Uh NEPA scoping. The next question. So we're down over reversal. 132 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:38,240 » Yeah. Um we submitted our application to the BLM 133 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:42,800 about 2 years ago. Um we've completed the variance process in which we meet 134 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:48,880 with the BLM on a regular basis. We still have monthly meetings with them. 135 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:55,120 Um right now we're just waiting for the Department of Interior's approval to 136 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:59,040 enter the NEPA scoping period. And under current rules that can take no longer 137 00:11:57,519 --> 00:12:02,160 than 12 months. >> So you're agreeing with Rocky Mountain 138 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,279 Power, >> the interconnection agreement, right? 139 00:12:03,839 --> 00:12:07,839 From Utah Power. >> Yeah. 140 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:11,680 » Okay. So how do you get it from there back to the Russia? Just real quickly. 141 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:15,440 » From there back to where? >> Yeah. Where do you work on back to front 142 00:12:14,399 --> 00:12:18,000 power you produce? >> So it taps into the Black Rock 143 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,200 substation. >> Black Rock. 144 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,839 » Yeah. and and then it goes into Pacific Corpse interconnection system. 145 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:29,680 » Okay. >> Um similar, you know, it's kind of like 146 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:34,240 dropping a cup of water into a bucket of water. It just once those kilowatts 147 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:41,360 enter into their interconnection system, it goes to wherever it's needed. And so 148 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:50,800 it will be um powering Utah homes um close to California. No, I mean it's um 149 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:55,920 so in in Utah it's a regulated market and so um the power company or Rocky 150 00:12:54,160 --> 00:13:00,560 Mountain Power, Pacific Corp, they're the only people that can sell power to 151 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:05,839 rate payers. Uh so it's likely that our power purchase agreement would be with 152 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:12,160 Pacific Corp or Rocky Mountain Power. Um there are also mechanisms called what we 153 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:18,639 call a green sleeve where you might have a commercial or industrial customer for 154 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:22,959 example Meta or Microsoft um where they would essentially be purchasing 155 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:29,440 renewable energy credits from our project um to essentially offset the 156 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:33,760 power that they consume. But the power generated from our project would follow 157 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:40,120 the path of least resistance in Pacific Corp system. 158 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:40,120 » Okay. Sorry. Was that 159 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:50,440 ahead? >> Yeah. 160 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:59,440 Either Rock Mountain Power or um you know we we an RFP from a group called 161 00:13:56,079 --> 00:14:03,680 Utah Renewable Communities. um they're kind of a a cooperative in both the 162 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:10,959 Wasatch front and was back and elsewhere in Utah that kind of come together and 163 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:14,560 then purchase renewable energy. Well, I know that it matters to this, but 164 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:21,120 there's there's a movement now in the legislature that obviously Utah's been 165 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:26,880 producer for a lot of other people that the priority of Utah production should 166 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:31,600 stay in Utah unless there's no place for it. Sure. Yeah. I mean, I I just 167 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:35,839 attended Mike Lee's um conservative climate summit and you know, the the 168 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:40,560 broad message that I think is being pushed in Utah is is an all of the above 169 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:44,800 energy strategy where they're trying to procure as much as they can, especially 170 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:47,279 with a lot of the new data center demand and load growth that we're seeing in the 171 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:51,120 west. >> Open to all kinds of producers, 172 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:56,000 » right? There isn't one that's prohibited. So, thank you. 173 00:14:53,279 --> 00:15:01,199 » Yeah. Just so was your group, the group I saw down there last spring, white 174 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:05,839 trucks running around. Um, it could have been. We uh, you know, we have had a lot 175 00:15:03,839 --> 00:15:11,279 of surveyors out there, uh, doing environmental studies, um, habitat 176 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:16,560 assessments. We've also done things like alta surveys uh, to get property 177 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:21,920 boundaries and that sort of thing. Um, last September I was with uh the BLM and 178 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:27,360 representatives from the Pyute Indian tribe doing a cultural resource uh site 179 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:31,920 visit. So we, you know, walked around Pop Mountain and around the site uh 180 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:37,279 taking pictures and and kind of looking at some of the some of the areas to see 181 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,959 whether they had any cultural significance to the Pyote Indian tribe. 182 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,880 Does >> it 183 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:49,199 charge you a lease? Yep. >> Okay. Sim to seller or something. 184 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:53,519 » It would be it's actually what they call a right of way. Um but 185 00:15:51,279 --> 00:15:54,560 » you pay a lease agreement. You pay actual done. 186 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,880 » Yeah. >> You wouldn't tell us what that was, 187 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:02,480 would you? >> Um we've we've got like a rough idea 188 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:07,680 kind of a rent calculator. But it changes every year based on, you know, 189 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:10,800 property values. And then every four years it seems like the 190 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,360 Department of the Interior has a different way of assessing what what 191 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:17,120 rent they want to >> change. Yeah. But 192 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:20,480 » yeah, but we we have to have kind of a placeholder in our model of what we 193 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:24,240 expect to be paying as operational expenses. 194 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:29,279 » All right. Thank you very much. >> Maybe just as a quick point of of 195 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:34,079 clarification or or just uh there are the difference between the two 196 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:38,160 applications. They're very similar. One is the the generation itself, the solar 197 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:41,360 installation. The other is the transmission right away. So we treat 198 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:45,600 those as two separate uses, two separate permits. same project. I probably should 199 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,800 have mentioned that at the beginning. So, 200 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:54,560 » two items. Yeah, we got an item number. Skip it for now. Open a public hearing 201 00:16:50,880 --> 00:17:00,160 again for that one. So, but I'll entertain a motion to 202 00:16:57,839 --> 00:17:03,360 a number of proposed conditions on this and we've gone back and forth. The 203 00:17:01,759 --> 00:17:07,839 planning commission discussed it. There's this isn't the first solar 204 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:12,640 project we've seen. on about those and with other projects at this point, but 205 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:19,199 there's uh there's actually quite a a quick list of them. Um 206 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:22,480 there's uh everything from public safety and emergency response coordination, 207 00:17:21,439 --> 00:17:25,760 road management agreements, site security plan, fire prevention program, 208 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:29,919 facility reclamation, and I know there was a little bit of question on on that. 209 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:33,120 » Yeah, I mean our only like we've reviewed the conditions and we're 210 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:37,919 comfortable with them. They're pretty standard that we've seen on all of our 211 00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:42,640 projects. Um, our only consideration that we might want to bring up is the 212 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:48,480 BLM does require us to place a decommissioning and remediation bond. 213 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:54,400 Um, so there will be one in place already. Uh, so you know you guys 214 00:17:52,559 --> 00:18:00,720 » that's the question I would have to reclaim the bond. We we have to assure 215 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:04,480 reclamation and I believe the question is whether or not that that we just have 216 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:10,000 that they shall post a bond guaranteeing the reclamation and all of the 217 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:16,559 improvements and I believe the question that we will we accept that accept that 218 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:19,520 we defer that um to the attorney's office to see if that's just references 219 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:24,160 there shall be one. >> Okay. Go ahead. I was just going to say 220 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,160 we