1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,420 Meeting on Friday, December 20th, 2024 at 2.59 p.m. at Millersville City Hall. If you will 2 00:00:10,420 --> 00:00:13,020 please stand for the invocation and the pledge. 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:13,900 An 4 00:00:20,270 --> 00:00:25,130 honor and privilege. Once again, be here, Heavenly Father, as we come seeking your wisdom 5 00:00:25,130 --> 00:00:29,810 and your understanding to lead God and direct us as the commissioners of this city. In the 6 00:00:29,810 --> 00:00:34,490 Lord that you will be done, we ask for your help and guidance. In the Lord as we walk 7 00:00:34,490 --> 00:00:41,230 for your sight and leaning up on your understanding and God bless our city, our nation, and keep 8 00:00:41,230 --> 00:00:45,510 Israel in peace. We love you and we bless your name and praise your name. In Christ's 9 00:00:45,510 --> 00:00:47,010 name, amen. Amen. 10 00:00:48,710 --> 00:00:52,310 Mayor, I would like to make an, oh I am so sorry I'm out of order. 11 00:00:58,910 --> 00:01:04,820 And to the republic, one nation under God, indivisible. 12 00:01:08,180 --> 00:01:13,600 Mayor, I would like to make an amendment to the agenda to add an item right now 13 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:20,280 to accept the resignation of Bryant Crowell and I make the motion that we accept the resignation of Bryant Crowell as the city attorney. 14 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:28,520 I said okay. 15 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,080 But we 16 00:01:33,100 --> 00:01:34,840 will build on it. 17 00:01:35,140 --> 00:01:35,360 Okay. 18 00:01:36,140 --> 00:01:51,940 I have a motion to amend the agenda inserting or replacing item number four with accepting the resignation of the city attorney. 19 00:01:51,940 --> 00:01:53,860 Brian Kroll. I 20 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,560 have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? 21 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:34,400 I rescinded that. I tendered my resignation. It's for the city manager to accept. 22 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,760 He didn't accept it. I rescinded it. 23 00:02:37,460 --> 00:02:41,760 I would like to go ahead and say that the city attorney is considered a department head, 24 00:02:42,300 --> 00:02:45,800 and according to the ordinance, it establishes the Millersville personnel policy. 25 00:02:46,140 --> 00:02:51,980 It is up to the city commission to discharge department heads by vote. 26 00:02:51,980 --> 00:02:52,140 I don't understand the 27 00:02:52,140 --> 00:02:52,520 committee. 28 00:02:52,540 --> 00:02:53,260 I'll vote. 29 00:02:53,260 --> 00:02:53,280 Go ahead. 30 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:54,280 There's 31 00:02:58,730 --> 00:02:59,830 no further discussion. 32 00:03:00,350 --> 00:03:01,430 I will call for a vote. 33 00:03:03,330 --> 00:03:04,550 Commissioner Powell. 34 00:03:05,050 --> 00:03:05,210 Aye. 35 00:03:06,230 --> 00:03:08,210 Vice Mayor Darnell. 36 00:03:08,510 --> 00:03:08,690 Aye. 37 00:03:09,850 --> 00:03:10,710 Commissioner Gregory. 38 00:03:11,030 --> 00:03:11,530 I vote no. 39 00:03:13,550 --> 00:03:14,810 Motion passes. 40 00:03:25,390 --> 00:03:25,690 Okay. 41 00:03:25,850 --> 00:03:26,850 New item number five. 42 00:03:27,110 --> 00:03:34,190 Discussion of resolution 24-R-03 a resolution to amend ordinance 24-805. 43 00:03:34,810 --> 00:03:42,290 The annual budget for the fiscal year beginning July 1st, 2024 and ending June 30th, 2025. 44 00:03:44,150 --> 00:03:47,510 Vice Mayor Darnall, I know you put a lot of work into this and have some thoughts. 45 00:03:48,110 --> 00:03:56,350 Yes, so after our meeting Tuesday, so Wednesday morning, I reached out to Steve Osborn to let him know the situation. 46 00:03:56,570 --> 00:04:00,590 And then we spoke on the phone and he followed up with an email and I'll just read it. 47 00:04:00,590 --> 00:04:05,310 But he said he's free today. He'll try to call during those times. 48 00:04:05,850 --> 00:04:15,270 TCA section 9-21-108 allows for the budget to be amended by resolution when directed by the Comptroller, as with the previous budget letter. 49 00:04:15,650 --> 00:04:17,590 It's okay to take another meeting to amend the budget. 50 00:04:17,790 --> 00:04:20,410 We will continue to work closely with the city to control spending. 51 00:04:20,930 --> 00:04:24,250 If you don't mind, we would like the chance to look over the amendment you are considering. 52 00:04:24,430 --> 00:04:27,390 And I did send that to him so he has what we're going to discuss. 53 00:04:27,390 --> 00:04:33,630 And then he put a screenshot of the budget manual page eight, and this is administrative law. 54 00:04:34,050 --> 00:04:37,870 But if you recall, our budget was conditionally approved by the controller's office. 55 00:04:38,030 --> 00:04:40,410 So this is that section of the budget manual. 56 00:04:40,810 --> 00:04:43,050 So it says conditionally approved as defined as, 57 00:04:43,250 --> 00:04:47,450 conditional approval results when there is some required action by your governing body 58 00:04:47,450 --> 00:04:49,810 that must be fulfilled before the budget can be approved. 59 00:04:50,270 --> 00:04:54,150 An example, conditional approval includes when our office requires a budget amendment 60 00:04:54,150 --> 00:04:56,630 to legally appropriate principal and interest payments 61 00:04:56,630 --> 00:04:59,750 that were inadvertently omitted from the budget ordinance or resolution. 62 00:05:00,290 --> 00:05:04,050 Your local government will have 45 days after our letter is issued to meet the condition 63 00:05:04,050 --> 00:05:08,250 if the condition for approval is met within that timeframe the budget will not be approved. 64 00:05:08,690 --> 00:05:16,130 And then it goes on to say four cities pursuant to TCA 9-21-108, amendments required by the 65 00:05:16,130 --> 00:05:20,650 controller's office as a condition for budget approval may be passed by a resolution 66 00:05:20,650 --> 00:05:21,930 instead of an ordinance. 67 00:05:21,930 --> 00:05:28,890 That is the authority to do what was proposed on Tuesday and what's again going to be proposed today. 68 00:05:29,430 --> 00:05:35,930 And just while I have the floor, I sent you guys an email that I feel is appropriate to read into the record to assist in this discussion. 69 00:05:36,090 --> 00:05:40,130 But I sent it December 18th, 2024 at 841 a.m. 70 00:05:40,690 --> 00:05:48,330 And I said all, and this went to all the commissioners and city manager, city recorder and finance director. 71 00:05:48,330 --> 00:05:53,810 It says to comply with open meetings requirement. I intend to read this email into the record at the special meeting 72 00:05:53,810 --> 00:05:58,370 Additional information was shared with me from the controller's office that we need to discuss in public 73 00:05:58,370 --> 00:06:04,850 Mr. Kroll submitted an invoice. I believe for September work for around 30,000 last week $30,000 last week 74 00:06:04,850 --> 00:06:10,550 Based on this, I want to add an agenda item to discuss payments to Mr. Kroll and what is yet to be paid 75 00:06:10,550 --> 00:06:14,830 This discussion needs to happen prior to the budget amendment because this means we likely cannot 76 00:06:14,830 --> 00:06:18,830 unappropriate as much money from the legal services line item. We need a good 77 00:06:18,830 --> 00:06:22,290 understanding of what we have paid this fiscal year and what we still have to pay. 78 00:06:23,290 --> 00:06:26,750 Brian Morris that is please seek additional places where we can cut 79 00:06:26,750 --> 00:06:30,750 appropriations from the budget. I think if we end up paying Mr. Crowell $100,000 80 00:06:30,750 --> 00:06:35,870 this fiscal year we cannot cut $55,000 I proposed last night. In addition to 81 00:06:35,870 --> 00:06:39,410 the other $50,000 cut you mentioned we can't make to contractual services. 82 00:06:39,890 --> 00:06:44,170 We need to find $105,000 additional dollars to cut to meet the 83 00:06:44,170 --> 00:06:46,210 the controller's demands before the special meeting. 84 00:06:48,230 --> 00:06:51,490 And I believe that gets us into compliance to get going. 85 00:06:55,950 --> 00:06:58,890 I sent out the budget resolution amendment 86 00:06:58,890 --> 00:07:01,330 and I incorporated all of the changes 87 00:07:02,070 --> 00:07:05,190 that I proposed at the Tuesday meeting. 88 00:07:05,550 --> 00:07:08,950 And in addition to it, line 268, 89 00:07:09,610 --> 00:07:12,870 which is minor equipment for the fire department. 90 00:07:13,290 --> 00:07:15,690 I had that reduced from 20,000 to zero. 91 00:07:16,230 --> 00:07:17,110 It was a typo. 92 00:07:17,110 --> 00:07:23,390 So I now have changed that 20,000 to 10,000 and that is the starting point for this discussion. 93 00:07:24,590 --> 00:07:29,750 Today the new fire chief reached out to me with concerns about the proposed cut to the 94 00:07:29,750 --> 00:07:36,170 fire department salaries and he has proposed an increase from where we are now at $145,000 95 00:07:36,170 --> 00:07:42,630 for salaries to 168 to accommodate current staffing and then turnout gear from 10,000 96 00:07:42,630 --> 00:07:48,610 to 20,000. He explained turnout gear is around $5,000 per person so that would accommodate 97 00:07:48,610 --> 00:07:57,610 the four expected firefighters. I believe both of those are appropriate and that loses us 98 00:07:57,610 --> 00:08:05,290 another 33,000. So I believe we need to find $138,000 to cut to get ourselves into compliance 99 00:08:05,290 --> 00:08:11,710 with where the controller's office wants us to be so that they will let us not be 100 00:08:11,710 --> 00:08:16,730 defined as the worst financial city in the entire state end quote and 101 00:08:21,050 --> 00:08:21,590 I said a 102 00:08:21,590 --> 00:08:25,790 lot I'm willing to open up the floor I haven't heard anything from you guys I 103 00:08:25,790 --> 00:08:31,170 can keep going or you guys can jump in but we've got a lot of work to do today 104 00:08:31,170 --> 00:08:37,590 under economic development and developmental services the 10 440 105 00:08:37,590 --> 00:08:38,150 1100 106 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:53,420 salaries yep we don't have that position anymore do you have any plan 107 00:08:53,420 --> 00:09:02,260 for filling that thank you interim city manager Morris the other one if you go 108 00:09:02,260 --> 00:09:10,820 down the 10 440 22 14 that's 8,000 we don't need it can you sorry I'm just now 109 00:09:10,820 --> 00:09:19,840 catching up what was the other line item 10 440 22 14 okay that's the 110 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:26,040 PIERRE contract line? Correct. Yeah and let's thank you Jesse we probably need to 111 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,960 do a great job. This is extremely complex there's a lot of numbers a lot of lines 112 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:35,520 for people that want to follow along just do a good site so they can keep up. We 113 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:46,960 won't need that one. The 10, 440, 2212 it's at 90 but I don't think we're 114 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:53,760 going to spend all of that. That is what we pay out to Neil Shaffer for engineering. Okay, 115 00:09:53,840 --> 00:10:00,820 so it's probably going to be more around 75,000. Okay. Do you think we're 75s where we'll 116 00:10:00,820 --> 00:10:04,280 actually pay and we need to put it at 80 flex a little bit? That would be fine. 117 00:10:09,150 --> 00:10:09,490 The health 118 00:10:09,490 --> 00:10:16,360 insurance line that's in there as well, the 10, 440, 1300 can go away. And I assume 119 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,520 retirement and Social Security Medicare in 120 00:10:27,170 --> 00:10:27,530 our way. 121 00:10:31,990 --> 00:10:34,370 If you go up above that and 122 00:10:34,370 --> 00:10:44,630 look at building in codes, you'll see the building inspection from Fieri. 60,000, you 123 00:10:44,630 --> 00:10:46,430 can take it out. Completely. Yep. 124 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,420 Has anybody been tallying as we've been 125 00:10:51,420 --> 00:11:01,580 going. I think we're well over 120,000 so far. Maybe 130. We're at 133. 126 00:11:16,430 --> 00:11:21,150 $35,000 for forensic audit, which we never did. We 127 00:11:21,150 --> 00:11:27,470 did. We actually budgeted 60 for that. And I think they have dropped it down to 25. Correct. 128 00:11:30,690 --> 00:11:33,370 Yeah, from 129 00:11:33,370 --> 00:11:36,710 Tuesday to date till today that change was made. Okay, good. 130 00:11:47,310 --> 00:11:48,090 How much are we missing? 131 00:11:48,910 --> 00:11:56,490 We're still missing 5k to make the 138,000 delta for it 133,000. 132 00:12:05,620 --> 00:12:06,560 But it will. 133 00:12:09,470 --> 00:12:10,350 We do 134 00:12:10,350 --> 00:12:17,930 have the new, what is her position? The new billing specialist has submitted a 135 00:12:17,930 --> 00:12:26,510 two-week notice so she's she's gonna leave if we don't fill that position it's 136 00:12:26,510 --> 00:12:31,990 a new newer position I mean she's only been here for what a month so that's 137 00:12:33,970 --> 00:12:38,410 going to save you probably 40 grand is that in admin for the rest of the year 138 00:12:38,410 --> 00:12:44,070 it'll probably save you 20 yeah is that out of the admin salaries yeah general 139 00:12:44,070 --> 00:12:45,090 Okay. 140 00:12:50,460 --> 00:13:03,180 What's the second order effect of not back billing that it puts a lot of work on Kelsey, the office manager down there to do all the sewer billing. 141 00:13:03,780 --> 00:13:08,980 That's what that position was supposed to alleviate was they come in on spreadsheets. 142 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,920 So they have to manually be put in the system by hand in different zones, different days, different times. 143 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,940 it's it's a lot for one person. 144 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,660 Do you think we need that? I think we do. The 145 00:13:21,660 --> 00:13:25,600 last thing we want to do is overwork someone and now we have another opening 146 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:31,160 that we have to fill. I think and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong but I 147 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,660 I think we do need that spot. 148 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,300 It was very strategically, carefully thought out, 149 00:13:36,740 --> 00:13:37,380 and planned. 150 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,860 Chief Bryant has spreadsheets and gave us 151 00:13:43,860 --> 00:13:47,880 our documented evidence of the need for a billing specialist. 152 00:13:48,460 --> 00:13:51,800 Since he wants to end the year, it's gone much more 153 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,860 swiftly up there, plus we had an extra person 154 00:13:54,860 --> 00:13:56,440 to fill in with some months absent. 155 00:13:57,100 --> 00:13:59,480 So my recommendation is we do need it. 156 00:14:00,660 --> 00:14:02,920 Yeah, let's keep that on hold for now. 157 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:09,380 know, I think there might be some additional things we can do. And after the meeting, Brian, 158 00:14:09,500 --> 00:14:14,480 you and I talked, I'm sorry, I don't have a perfect recollection, but I think you mentioned 159 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:21,920 there were some police positions that have not been filled the entirety of the fiscal 160 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:22,820 year so far. 161 00:14:23,220 --> 00:14:27,220 Well, there's one that has not been, there are two that have been gone for quite some 162 00:14:27,220 --> 00:14:34,360 time that we haven't replaced yet. So our budget is going to be the way I figured it 163 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:40,240 up today. Even if we had those three people here, we're still going to come in under the 164 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:45,840 million dollars. Okay. $980,000 is where we're probably going to be. And that's if we had 165 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:51,720 full staff. So we were missing 20 from the other and that's like 27 that you just 166 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:56,460 mentioned without having an impact on staffing, just claiming back money that's not already 167 00:14:56,460 --> 00:14:58,740 been paid so what 168 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:06,600 Again, things happen. I don't want to drop it to where we're having to reappropriate in the last few days of the year. 169 00:15:06,700 --> 00:15:10,800 What do you think will be appropriate to not have to do that line item again? 170 00:15:11,260 --> 00:15:12,340 For the salaries? 171 00:15:12,700 --> 00:15:12,860 Yeah. 172 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,940 I would say 975 would be safe. 173 00:15:24,650 --> 00:15:31,830 Okay. I believe that gets it. And then some. 174 00:15:33,030 --> 00:15:34,430 We're aiming 150. 175 00:15:35,090 --> 00:15:40,730 Yeah, and we're at, if my math is right, 157, 263. 176 00:15:43,290 --> 00:15:44,190 That was easy. 177 00:15:45,190 --> 00:15:49,730 We got a lot of work on the next agenda item because we got to do the amendments and vote on them. 178 00:15:51,290 --> 00:15:56,390 I did have several more line items. Sorry, I'm working off two files here, one with a lot of edits. 179 00:15:57,510 --> 00:16:04,310 I think I am happy with this for now, but I will follow up with email, but there are a lot of line items. 180 00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:09,810 Sometimes I just need to better understand if we're using it what we're using it for. 181 00:16:11,190 --> 00:16:18,890 I've been doing this job for three days now, got a lot of learning to do, but I do think 182 00:16:18,890 --> 00:16:29,550 we need to get back to the legal services line item that's in admin about the email 183 00:16:29,550 --> 00:16:30,310 that I sent. 184 00:16:30,310 --> 00:16:40,830 Do we have any idea how much we have paid or invoiced and not yet paid plus what we're 185 00:16:40,830 --> 00:16:46,490 expected to be invoiced for the city attorney thus far in the fiscal year? 186 00:16:50,260 --> 00:16:51,520 I'm trying to find that line. 187 00:16:51,660 --> 00:16:52,080 I'm sorry. 188 00:16:52,260 --> 00:17:00,060 That is line 107, but on the printout it's 10-410-4014, listed as legal services. 189 00:17:00,060 --> 00:17:01,020 If 190 00:17:06,810 --> 00:17:10,690 work has happened, we owe that money. 191 00:17:11,130 --> 00:17:16,950 And we need to make sure we don't unappropriate too much money here. 192 00:17:17,770 --> 00:17:19,350 Do you have any idea how much we've got? 193 00:17:19,730 --> 00:17:20,270 Yes. 194 00:17:21,910 --> 00:17:22,470 It 195 00:17:26,340 --> 00:17:29,500 was on the phone today with the Comptroller's office. 196 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:30,340 We thought 197 00:17:32,460 --> 00:17:36,120 it was permission to go ahead and pay the 17,000. 198 00:17:36,340 --> 00:17:38,100 The invoice for September. 199 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,900 We do not owe for August. 200 00:17:40,900 --> 00:17:43,020 it was only 17,000. 201 00:17:45,180 --> 00:17:50,040 He came out to get the check today. And he said he has a couple of smaller 202 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:57,760 invoices. I don't know how much those are. He hasn't submitted those yet. Okay. So looking 203 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:11,580 at the bank statements, I'm seeing four checks that cleared this fiscal year. It's unclear 204 00:18:11,580 --> 00:18:16,240 to me if those apply to this fiscal year or not but they were they cleared our 205 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:23,220 bank account this fiscal year I'm seeing 50,694 including the 17,000 just 206 00:18:23,220 --> 00:18:31,160 mentioned. Talking with Steve that invoice was for September and we don't 207 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,420 know for sure what October November and December look like but if the trend 208 00:18:35,420 --> 00:18:42,840 continues, he recommended, well he didn't recommend, but around $10,000 per month, so 209 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,960 that's two and a half more months, which would put us around $75,000. Do you believe that 210 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:47,900 reflects reality? 211 00:19:12,570 --> 00:19:16,170 Yes, September was big because there was the TBI raid and there was a lot of things 212 00:19:16,170 --> 00:19:22,850 going on, so I got, I'll have to tally these up. I didn't submit the other ones 213 00:19:22,850 --> 00:19:25,610 because I didn't know what was going to happen with the Comptroller or whatever, 214 00:19:25,610 --> 00:19:28,710 But it's I'll get you the exact numbers. I'll tally it up 215 00:19:32,430 --> 00:19:33,930 It's under 10 I think 216 00:19:37,950 --> 00:19:39,030 Whatever whatever 217 00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:50,130 Thoughts for mothers on changing that from a hundred that well it was at a hundred thousand 218 00:19:50,130 --> 00:19:54,630 It's now at 45 moving it back up to 75,000 219 00:19:55,770 --> 00:19:57,330 Oh and 220 00:20:17,070 --> 00:20:22,810 we need to get back. I think we solved my second amendment on Tuesday was 221 00:20:22,810 --> 00:20:34,490 on line 91 and that's 10 4 10 2300 that's not the right line 22 10 yeah 222 00:20:36,060 --> 00:20:41,320 line about cross-eyed contractual service agreements it was at 200,000 I 223 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:49,780 moved it down to $150,000. Brian made a comment about SCECC, Sumner County Emergency Communications. 224 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,580 I believe we agreed those are separate line items, aren't they? 225 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:55,040 They are. 226 00:20:55,900 --> 00:21:00,220 Is there, okay, so now we still need to look at that contractual service. Is that dropping 227 00:21:00,220 --> 00:21:01,900 of $50,000 still appropriate? 228 00:21:01,900 --> 00:21:02,120 it. 229 00:21:06,060 --> 00:21:13,960 It's I think so I know in the past we had had OHM advisors in there as a 230 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:19,220 contractual service but they're no longer with us and that at one time that 231 00:21:19,220 --> 00:21:28,260 was anywhere from 48,000 to 172,000 just for that one contract so I think we'll 232 00:21:28,260 --> 00:21:32,160 be fine. I know there's a remodeling in addition that we had in there the 233 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:37,580 year before for 30,000s not there anymore. There's some things that we can tell we should 234 00:21:37,580 --> 00:21:38,420 be fine. Okay. 235 00:21:47,370 --> 00:21:53,370 I think that's the end of all of my comments. But I threw a lot of amendments 236 00:21:53,370 --> 00:21:58,210 in between last our changes between the last meeting and this one. If anybody wants to 237 00:21:58,210 --> 00:22:03,770 discuss any of those, I'm happy to go over the thoughts behind them. 238 00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:50,770 While we are discussing, 239 00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:55,010 we have a number of amendments that need to be made. Is it your preference to go 240 00:22:55,010 --> 00:22:59,750 one at a time vote to approve the amendment or read them all off 241 00:22:59,750 --> 00:23:05,070 and group and approve. Group and approve then we'll have to go back if it fails. Yeah. 242 00:23:07,090 --> 00:23:13,410 So have there been anything that you guys have seen in the proposals that 243 00:23:13,410 --> 00:23:15,990 doesn't seem like it will work for the city? 244 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,440 Commissioner Darnell's 245 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:30,740 proposals? Yes. I haven't. When I looked over them, I thought they were reasonable, honestly, 246 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,700 for the most part, except for my training and education budget. But that's well, fight 247 00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:42,860 about that. No, no. This is the time to fight about that. I'm just teasing. No, no. So 248 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:49,440 the background to what I was trying to do, I'm trying my best to not touch people's 249 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:55,100 employment or pay. So I looked at what doesn't affect that. If there is training that you 250 00:23:55,100 --> 00:24:01,180 need, if it's reasonable, I think we have some flex here if we need to put some more 251 00:24:01,180 --> 00:24:03,460 back in there. Do y'all agree with that? 252 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,500 So the thing is, the reason it was so large, it did go up from that first year, is because 253 00:24:08,500 --> 00:24:14,320 so many of us needed training. With Tyler, everything is online. There are some courses 254 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,340 that Judy and I need to take in general ledger and accounts payable and there 255 00:24:18,340 --> 00:24:27,060 roughly about 725 of course each. So some of them are 425. See the 425 or 725 256 00:24:27,060 --> 00:24:31,340 there might be a couple that are 250 and then I wanted to get Kelsey some 257 00:24:31,340 --> 00:24:36,980 additional training too in utilities. There's just so much that I didn't get 258 00:24:36,980 --> 00:24:43,580 any training nothing. Yeah so that yeah that was it 15 and went to five do 259 00:24:43,580 --> 00:24:45,920 you have a proposal on? 260 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,280 So because if we do five, I'm probably 261 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,500 going to go over a little bit if I start training. 262 00:24:53,620 --> 00:24:56,440 Right now, Judy and I are also getting our training 263 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,560 for I'm doing CMFO and city recorder, 264 00:24:59,740 --> 00:25:01,140 and she's doing city recorder. 265 00:25:01,460 --> 00:25:03,120 That's two conferences a year. 266 00:25:03,620 --> 00:25:04,900 CMFO is every month. 267 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,140 That's one 10 a month. 268 00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:08,640 The conferences are travel. 269 00:25:08,980 --> 00:25:09,840 So it's hotel stay. 270 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,780 It's all those kind of things, too, for us. 271 00:25:12,780 --> 00:25:14,860 And that was coming out of that administrative training budget. 272 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,460 So we might be able to do $10,000. 273 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:20,900 I'm going to go over $5,000. 274 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,460 So you guys are going to be frowning, yeah? 275 00:25:23,740 --> 00:25:27,620 Well, what I want to avoid is a squabble over $5,000, 276 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,440 where we have to come back. 277 00:25:30,260 --> 00:25:31,620 And I mean, I don't want to go. 278 00:25:31,740 --> 00:25:34,580 We have that chance right now to do this one and done 279 00:25:34,580 --> 00:25:35,060 resolution. 280 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,800 And then next year we can work on it sooner. 281 00:25:37,140 --> 00:25:38,960 And I would hate to have to come back and do 282 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,940 the two readings of an ordinance if we could just. 283 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:41,060 Absolutely. 284 00:25:41,060 --> 00:25:41,200 Absolutely. 285 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:42,620 Can we have 10? 286 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,440 No problem with it. 287 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,540 We accounted. 288 00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:50,780 We had a little bit extra that we cut out and that would be enough. 289 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:51,920 That's 10 reasons. 290 00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:56,780 I'll try not to use it all, but I'm pretty sure that we will. 291 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,460 We have two conferences coming up this spring. 292 00:26:08,460 --> 00:26:11,080 Did you want to have a discussion about contractual services? 293 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:19,440 Yeah, so it was going to be discussion if we needed additional money to cut. 294 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:28,000 But I think we've got that covered, but just for the benefit of the new commission in terms 295 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:35,360 of educating us on these budgetary line items, there are a lot of line items listed in this 296 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:40,060 budget that are contractual service agreements that are broken down by the various departments. 297 00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:50,690 Help us understand what kind of contracts we have broken down amongst these departments 298 00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:57,690 and how much money has actually been committed or appropriated amongst these contracts that are listed here. 299 00:26:57,950 --> 00:27:04,830 So for most of them, if you get into like the police department for contractual service agreements, 300 00:27:04,990 --> 00:27:07,730 that would be like our storage for our body cameras. 301 00:27:08,130 --> 00:27:10,110 It would be the body cameras themselves. 302 00:27:10,790 --> 00:27:17,310 Anything that we have on a contract, a yearly paper year basis is going to be figured into that. 303 00:27:17,310 --> 00:27:21,610 for the front office people it's gonna be a lot of that's probably gonna be 304 00:27:21,610 --> 00:27:28,590 software like Tyler is a contractual service the phone system pretty much 305 00:27:28,590 --> 00:27:31,470 anything that we have you know like at your household if you have electric 306 00:27:31,470 --> 00:27:36,270 bill cable bill stuff like that same same thing applies here if you look at 307 00:27:36,270 --> 00:27:40,490 just in the general account these are the contractual services that we have 308 00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:48,570 through that that one department. Which is exterminating the security service for 309 00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:54,670 the building. The Canon copier that we have to pay every year. Champion data 310 00:27:54,670 --> 00:28:01,370 systems. Civic Plus which does our codification. County record service we 311 00:28:01,370 --> 00:28:05,730 have to pay for. E-government. Inetco which is our internet security people. 312 00:28:06,670 --> 00:28:09,630 night horse, the shredding service that we use, 313 00:28:09,970 --> 00:28:12,810 Corson that does our fire extinguisher certifications, 314 00:28:13,850 --> 00:28:18,050 the cleaning, OHM, which has gone away now, 315 00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:21,890 but it's a lot of, and that's just the one, 316 00:28:22,450 --> 00:28:25,990 just this one. Yeah, that's just the one admin. 317 00:28:26,550 --> 00:28:30,170 Correct, but if you look at every department, anytime you see that, 318 00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:34,310 that's what it's going to be, and most of the time that we have put those in there, 319 00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:37,250 It's stuff that we're going to have to pay every year. 320 00:28:37,450 --> 00:28:37,590 Yeah. 321 00:28:37,690 --> 00:28:44,030 So I guess what I would ask is, in terms of when 322 00:28:44,030 --> 00:28:48,830 we see monthly financial reports, if we could see the breakdown 323 00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:53,090 of these contracts and how these are actually broken down 324 00:28:54,010 --> 00:28:58,370 so we could better understand what these line items are 325 00:28:58,370 --> 00:29:02,770 made up of and what services the city is being charged for. 326 00:29:03,850 --> 00:29:08,170 because this is going to help us when we come around to actually setting the 327 00:29:08,170 --> 00:29:13,010 budget for next year if we can find some efficiencies elsewhere maybe there are 328 00:29:13,010 --> 00:29:17,730 services we don't need and we can better help fund come up with 329 00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:23,990 recommendations on what we can cut or maybe there's some redundancies here 330 00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:27,510 things like that things that are covering multiple things at the same 331 00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:32,010 at the same time that we can only pay one of those versus pay three of them. 332 00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:39,490 And maybe there's one department here that's paying for one contracted service 333 00:29:39,490 --> 00:29:42,950 that's exactly the same as what another department's paying for, 334 00:29:43,090 --> 00:29:45,610 that may be covered under the same contract. 335 00:29:46,750 --> 00:29:50,810 And it may just be that people don't know that that's what those contracts are doing. 336 00:29:51,170 --> 00:29:56,450 So it would help us if we understood what contracts we're actually paying for 337 00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:59,970 within these line items, and then how these contracts are 338 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,640 So, I mean, we've got a lot of round numbers here and I understand that because this is just 339 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,720 the budget, but when it comes to the financial statements monthly, but understanding, are we 340 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,920 paying like annually one bulk payment? We're making monthly payments. We're paying every 341 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:21,180 six months on certain ones of these contracts. How much are we paying? And in understanding 342 00:30:21,180 --> 00:30:26,120 what those payment plans are, so that gives us a better expectation when it comes to when 343 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,500 see these monthly financial reports so we're not worried about if I see a zero 344 00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:34,360 there I'm not gonna be freaking out because I understand that I'm paying 345 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,380 we're paying as a city on a six month contract so I'm not gonna be paying 346 00:30:38,380 --> 00:30:42,580 until six months from now on this one contract and so that way we better 347 00:30:42,580 --> 00:30:47,540 understand what that payment plan is yeah I think too we need to anything 348 00:30:47,540 --> 00:30:54,100 that we can we need to rebit again I think technically by our ordinance 349 00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:59,060 we're supposed to do that every year anyway if I'm not mistaken so every 350 00:30:59,060 --> 00:31:02,020 everything we have in those contractual service agreements should 351 00:31:02,020 --> 00:31:06,720 technically be rebid every year and I don't think that's been done in quite 352 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,460 sometimes so that's probably something we should look at too I don't I don't 353 00:31:11,460 --> 00:31:15,120 know that that's going to save us any money because everything's going up but 354 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:21,140 we need to do it. So while y'all are talking I ran the 355 00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:33,100 calculations. Our target appropriation was $4,410,063. We are now at $4,278,800. So we 356 00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:40,560 have beaten the goal by $131,000. That brings our ending fund balances a percent of total 357 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:48,220 appropriations to 26.9 up from around 6 to 7 percent. So next fiscal year will be 358 00:31:48,220 --> 00:31:52,060 a little difficult, but I think by the end of it, we can make the 359 00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:52,960 controller's office happy. 360 00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,300 It is. All 361 00:32:03,140 --> 00:32:04,200 right. Is there any more 362 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:09,760 discussion resolution 24-R-03? 363 00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:19,770 Sir? All of these ordinances and 364 00:32:19,770 --> 00:32:22,870 resolutions need to be approved by the city attorney, so we need to 365 00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:24,830 approve a C-H-O-I on those. 366 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,980 Whether or not they can 367 00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:48,850 move an 368 00:32:48,850 --> 00:32:52,590 attorney, we could probably reach out to the city judge and 369 00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:55,140 have 370 00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:55,780 them do that. 371 00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:02,240 What's the Charter Citation? 372 00:33:25,020 --> 00:33:30,520 Mr. Crow will 373 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,580 you be billing your time while you're here today? 374 00:34:08,580 --> 00:34:17,110 Does anybody have problems with adding a signature line for Mr. Kroll to sign since we will probably 375 00:34:17,110 --> 00:34:18,570 be paying him for his time here. 376 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,520 I don't consider him really accepted as a resignation during his meetings and I don't. 377 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,560 Do you want me to add that to a list of amendments? 378 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:03,040 The language from the charter is approved as to form, so I will add a line that says 379 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,920 approved as to form with below it a signature line and 380 00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:14,110 below that what do 381 00:35:14,110 --> 00:35:15,310 y'all suggest I put? 382 00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:29,260 All right everybody okay with that? So there would be another 383 00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:33,260 amendment on the resolution tab at the very bottom that will say approved as 384 00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:36,460 to form and have a blank for a signature line. 385 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,860 I think I am ready to go to the 386 00:35:44,860 --> 00:35:47,220 next one when you guys are okay 387 00:35:57,820 --> 00:36:00,740 we will move to item number six approval of 388 00:36:00,740 --> 00:36:10,100 resolution 24-R-03 a resolution to amend ordinance 24-805 annual budget for the 389 00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:18,740 fiscal year beginning July 1st 2024 and ending June 30th 2025 I so move I 390 00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:21,350 have a 391 00:36:21,350 --> 00:36:28,310 motion and a second. Is there any discussion? Yes. Thank you. I will make a 392 00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:36,090 lengthy amendment. On the resolution tab, I will amend to add at the very bottom 393 00:36:36,090 --> 00:36:44,250 approved as to form colon and below it a signature line. On the GF tab, this is 394 00:36:44,250 --> 00:37:00,810 Line 68 under administration, 10, 410, 1100 salaries, changing the value from 300,000 to 310,000. 395 00:37:02,670 --> 00:37:13,370 On Line 79, which is 10, 410, 2002 education and training, change the value from 5,000 to 10,000. 396 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:24,980 on line 107 that is 10 4 10 4 0 1 4 legal services change that line item from 45 397 00:37:24,980 --> 00:37:36,340 thousand to 75 thousand line 137 it is 10 4 11 2 2 1 4 contractual building 398 00:37:36,340 --> 00:37:40,460 Instruction, PIERRE, changing from 60,000 to zero. 399 00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:53,060 On line 150 it is 10,440,1100, Salaries Economic Development, changing that from 52,000 and 400 00:37:53,060 --> 00:37:54,400 $3 to zero. 401 00:37:55,740 --> 00:38:05,820 Line 153 it is 10,440,1200, Social Security and Medicare, changing that from 3,000 402 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:16,520 Line 154, it is 10-440-1300 health insurance, changing that value from 10,000 to 0. 403 00:38:17,620 --> 00:38:28,560 On line 155, it is 10-440-1400 retirement, changing that value from 3,500 to 0. 404 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:43,460 Line 167, it is 10, 440, 2212, contractual, commercial, planning, review, OHM, changing that value from 90,000 to 0. 405 00:38:43,460 --> 00:38:57,440 Line 168, it is 10, 440, 2214, contractual PNZ-Pierre, changing that line, that value from 8,000 to 0. 406 00:38:59,940 --> 00:39:14,300 This is in the police section. Line 206, it is 10, 421, 1105, Salaries Police, changing that from 1 million, 407 00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:32,670 7,760 to 975,000. In the fire section, line 243, it is 10, 422, 1100 for salaries, changing 408 00:39:32,670 --> 00:39:46,870 Changing that line item from 145,000 to 168,000, line 269, it is 10-422-2314 or turnout gear. 409 00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:54,610 Changing that line item from 10,000 or that value from 10,000 to 20,000 and that is it. 410 00:39:55,350 --> 00:39:59,450 I recommend we group and approve all of those amendments. 411 00:39:59,450 --> 00:40:00,570 I 412 00:40:03,060 --> 00:40:07,460 have a motion to group those and approve as one unit. 413 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,180 Do I have a second? 414 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:09,900 Second. 415 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:11,100 All right. 416 00:40:11,260 --> 00:40:12,560 I have a motion and a second. 417 00:40:13,180 --> 00:40:14,280 Is there any discussion? 418 00:40:15,420 --> 00:40:17,300 I do have one quick question. 419 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:17,720 Yes. 420 00:40:18,740 --> 00:40:22,220 Ten, four, four, zero, twenty, two, twelve. 421 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,220 That was ninety K. 422 00:40:25,140 --> 00:40:27,600 He said it went down to zero. 423 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,080 Tell me that side again. 424 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:39,860 10, 440, 2212, that was economic development as contractual commercial plan review, 0810. 425 00:40:41,180 --> 00:40:45,800 I thought that was needed to go to in 426 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,320 discussion. 427 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:56,240 212. 428 00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:56,880 10. 429 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,600 Because we are still getting engineering review. 430 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,240 212. 431 00:41:07,580 --> 00:41:10,080 Did I say 90,000 to 80,000? 432 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:11,720 No, you said zero. 433 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:12,240 Zero. 434 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,060 You said zero. 435 00:41:17,090 --> 00:41:31,450 So an amendment to the amendment will be to change line 167, which is 104402212 contractual commercial plan review OHM from 90,000 to 80,000. 436 00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:34,750 What did I say for the line below it? 437 00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:35,290 Zero. 438 00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:36,610 That's correct. 439 00:41:37,050 --> 00:41:37,290 Okay. 440 00:41:37,290 --> 00:41:50,570 Okay. I have a motion to amend the amendment to change line 10, 440, 2212 to 80,000. Do I have a second? 441 00:41:51,450 --> 00:41:55,110 Okay. I have a motion and a second. Are there any comments? 442 00:41:55,810 --> 00:41:57,750 Thank you for finding the correction. 443 00:41:58,930 --> 00:42:06,270 Okay. Then we'll just vote all those in favor say aye. 444 00:42:06,270 --> 00:42:15,530 I was opposed that motion passes back to the original amendment which included all 445 00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:21,530 of this that we're voting on in one are there any additional comments 446 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:24,740 if not all 447 00:42:24,740 --> 00:42:25,520 I'll call for a vote. 448 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,820 All of those, oh, sorry. 449 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,340 I think you guys need to be doing these by ordinance. 450 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,460 I'm looking at the citation here 451 00:42:32,460 --> 00:42:35,420 from the DCA Section 9-21-108. 452 00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:37,900 This is about notes and bonds and stuff like that. 453 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,560 I don't know, Mr. Jacobs has a opinion on this, 454 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,520 but I'm pretty sure it has to be by ordinance. 455 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,960 So I would follow this up, 456 00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:49,520 this resolution up for the full ordinance procedure 457 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,880 would be my recommendation. 458 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:52,540 Thank you. 459 00:42:52,780 --> 00:42:57,760 I believe we should continue on and then ordinance later. 460 00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:01,440 Are there any other comments? 461 00:43:02,980 --> 00:43:04,560 If not, I'll call for a vote. 462 00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:06,320 All those in favor say aye. 463 00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:07,140 Aye. 464 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:08,340 Those opposed? 465 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:10,780 Motion passes. 466 00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:19,520 Now we need to vote on the resolution itself, right? 467 00:43:21,830 --> 00:43:29,320 This is, I have a motion from Vice Mayor Darnell. 468 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:34,680 for resolution to pass 24-R-03. 469 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:35,960 Do I have a second? 470 00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:37,480 Second. 471 00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:40,700 Is there any discussion? 472 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:44,680 There's no discussion. 473 00:43:45,380 --> 00:43:47,140 All those in favor say aye. 474 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:47,880 Aye. 475 00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:49,360 Those opposed? 476 00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:52,710 Resolution passes. 477 00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:58,790 All right, item number seven. 478 00:43:59,550 --> 00:44:02,510 And please correct me if I can't do this. 479 00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:05,330 I forgot the city comments or citizen comments, 480 00:44:05,330 --> 00:44:11,050 which was at number three. So I'd like to ask for any citizen comments at this point. 481 00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:16,400 Alright, entering the city manager's comments. 482 00:44:21,730 --> 00:44:22,850 Alright, commissioner's comments. 483 00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:25,730 Commissioner Gregor, I don't have any either. 484 00:44:26,370 --> 00:44:27,510 Vice Mayor Darnell. 485 00:44:27,730 --> 00:44:29,470 It was a pleasure working with you all today. 486 00:44:29,890 --> 00:44:31,750 We can do hard things. Well done, guys. 487 00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:32,610 Thank you. 488 00:44:34,090 --> 00:44:34,910 Commissioner Powell. 489 00:44:35,570 --> 00:44:37,890 No, I'm just happy we were able to get this done. 490 00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:40,370 I concur. 491 00:44:43,780 --> 00:44:45,140 Number nine, adjournment. 492 00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:46,780 motion to adjourn. 493 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:47,520 Second. 494 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:49,380 We are adjourned. 495 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:51,780 All right. 496 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,520 I'm going to make all these changes.