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Are they to call the meeting of the committee on parks and culture into a session? The data is September 2, 9am, and we have a big agenda ahead of us, but the first order of business is the call of the roll. Call of the call of the roll.

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Supervisors Taylor District 17.

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Martin.

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President.

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Cogs Jones.

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Here.

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Martinez.

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Here.

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Eckblatt.

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O'Connor.

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Here.

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Mr. Chairman.

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There are seven members present.

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We have a quorum.

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Thank you very much.

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The sevens, if you'd like to announce the first end of the agenda.

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Item 1, the re-appointment of Amis Morris, as Director of the Milwaukee County Zoo.

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Welcome.

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The floor is yours.

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Good morning, Chairman, fellow supervisors.

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I married Joe Myers, the Chief of Staff for County Executive David Crowley.

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It is my honor to be here to ask you to consider the re-appointment of Director Amis Morris

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as the Zoo Director for Milwaukee County.

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It feels like just yesterday I was six years ago that I was in front of you Chairman for the appointment for DHS Director, so to be here with Director Morris today is a true honor.

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Mr. Morris continues to bring with him or has brought with him over 30 years of experience and zoo operations and organizational leadership and animal management.

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he will continue to serve as a Mochi County Zoo with distinction as we continue to uphold our

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reputation as one of the Zoo's top zoos in the nation, a place of enrichment, education,

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conservation, and entertainment for all. Prior to joining Mochi County, Mr. Mr. Morris served for

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three and a half years as Deputy Director and Chief Operating Officer of the Fresno,

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Chaffi Zu and California, his leadership there helped drive significant operational improvements

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and community engagement. His previous roles include director of Masker Park Zoo and

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Botanical Gardens in Executive Director of Evansville's Aological Society in Indiana.

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He has served various leadership roles which is in your packet for you to review.

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Importantly, Mr. Morris is a trailblazer. He was the first black member of the Association of

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and aquariums, board of directors, and the first Black Zoo director in the history of Milwaukee County Zoo.

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I had the honor and pleasure of being part of the recruitment and hiring for Mr. Morris, and I can tell you, believe me, we have a true unicorn operating in our zoo.

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Under Mr. Morris's leadership for the past four years, the Milwaukee County Zoo has achieved remarkable progress through innovative projects and strategic partnerships.

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Some of which include successfully insumitting and receiving a 3.5 million arpatourism grant

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to renovate the Humboldt Penguin exhibit.

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Also awarded of 1.7 million in arpagrant funding for the purchase of the state-of-the-art

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point of sales system currently in progress to improve our guest services.

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He secured funding for the construction of the $22 million Rhinoceros complex and

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7 million contributed from our nonprofit partners.

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He completed a joint strategic plan and master plan

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and master plan in collaboration with the Zoological Society

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Milwaukee guiding the Zeus Future Development and Growth.

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Received bless you.

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Received funding to research and design a new front entrance

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to reduce vehicle traffic congestion

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improving access and gas satisfaction

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and as leading the efforts towards seeing this vision

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become a reality. He established the Zeus of that

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Nary first veterinary in residency program approved by the American College of

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Zoological Medicine. The inaugural veterinary residency program will begin

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in July 2026, marking a significant advancement in veterinary care and professional

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development for us. He also successfully imported a female

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Shagwar from the police zoo to contribute to the Jaguar species survival plan, supporting global

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conservation initiatives. He has maintained excellence through re-accretedation by association of

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zoos and aquariums in 2024. In your packet, there are additional accomplishments for Mr. Morris.

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I'm confident that Mr. Morris will continue to lead the Milwaukee County Zoo forward fostering

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innovation, stewardship, and accessibility for all residents and visitors. Thank you for your consideration

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of this re-appointment. I look forward to your confirmation and the Continuance of Seth

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of Milwaukee County Zoo under Mr. Morris's leadership.

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Thank you very much. I have to just tell you, of all of our county executive's appointments.

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Mr. Morris, I think you're the best.

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Point, thank you, Jim.

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I think that.

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I came here without trying to make any trouble.

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Look at you.

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I'm not saying that against anyone else.

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He's our favorite, too.

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Thank you.

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But Mr. Morris, would you have done in a very difficult situation?

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has been very bold. You dream big, but you also are practical and you get things done.

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And I think when we use adjectives in front of appointments, you know, with color or race

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or ethnicity, I think it sometimes takes away from the quality of the individual being

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appointed. You are by far from what I've worked with. Just been fantastic as a zoo director.

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it's been a pleasure working with you. You have bold visions. You also are practical when

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you work with committee members, your offices always open to anyone who comes in for questions,

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or concerns. You've just been a model public citizen, and I really am happy to, I want to vote

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first, but I can't because I'm chair of the committee, but you are just a star. And I just want

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to get a public recognition for, through our lives, we go through a lot of different things,

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But Milwaukee really welcomes you and cherishes you and maybe those other places missed on somebody who you are because I think they messed out

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They missed out on a winner and they could have had you as a zoo director, but guess what their losses are our gains. So congratulations

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So let's have a committee take over. I'll make a motion to adopt

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I'm not gonna go on a limb like that. I saw this

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I also know he has for a lot of money too. I know he goes yes for a lot of money. We also say no

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Well, we do, but I kept it to work.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Wars, it's your time, if you like it.

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Yeah, if I could just say, my success comes along with my team.

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The zoo team is amazing, the make things happen with the best they can with the resources

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they have.

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I'd like to also think the cabinet of the county exec without their knowledge and

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tutelage, I would not be as successful.

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Guy, never helping me navigate the county,

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my chief executive staff, chief of staff with

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me here, I definitely would not be as successful.

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And then I would like to think the county executive, his vision, his commitment to diverse

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thought, his commitment to the community helps the zoo remain strong.

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The upcoming years are going to be a challenge for us.

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The next couple of years we're going to be working towards trying to improve getting people into the zoo.

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And with resources that I'm sure other department leaders would love to have those resources.

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So we greatly thank the county supervisors if we're so successful to get those resources for the front entrance of the zoo.

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28 is going to present a real challenge in that the road in front of the zoo is going to be down to one lane going east and one lane going west.

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and part of this project, part of the project and the front entrances to help remediate

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that issue for the year. They're doing that work in our busiest time at the zoo where we have

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our greatest increase in revenue. So 2020 is going to be a big challenge. And then to bring

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the zoo back into the fold and keep excitement after that work is done. It's going to be equal

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challenge we'll be looking for smaller projects to keep people interested in coming to the

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zoo and connecting with wildlife. So I, once again, I thank you. I thank my team at the

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zoo. I thank the cabinet for the county executive for all the help.

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And support. Thank you very much.

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We have a motion approving the nomination for the questions statements from committee members.

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From supervisors who are not on the committee. I see two in front of me right now.

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All right. Seeing no further comments. If we like to call the call for the vote.

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On the motion by supervisor Taylor District 17 that item number 1 be recommended for confirmation.

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Supervisor Taylor District 17.

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Martin.

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Cogs Jones.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Eckblatt.

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Aye.

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O'Connor.

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Aye.

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Mr. Chairman.

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Seven eyes.

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Zero nose.

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The motion prevails.

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Congratulations.

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Next up.

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Sevens.

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If you like to call up item number two.

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Item two from the Executive Director of Milwaukee County Parks requesting authorization

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to enter into a lease extension with the Boys and Girls Club of Greater Milwaukee for their

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use of the Mary Ryan Building and Sherman Park.

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Good morning, Chair and Supervisors, Jim Tarantino Deputy Director from Milwaukee County

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Parks.

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Vanessa Caster, Director of the Administration, Good Morning.

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And I believe we have representatives of the Boys and Girls Club online as well.

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So as noted, this is an extension and we're requesting approval of the lease

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extension for the Mary Ryan building at Sherman Park.

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And just in background, as you know, we have a

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long standing relationship with the Boys and Girls Club since 1990, so over 34 years,

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the original lease was formalized on April 30th in 1991, with provisions for 3 tenure extensions.

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The first extension was approved on February 22nd in 2011. The second extension was approved

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26 of 2021 and the current least expires July 1st of 2031. So the key benefits of this extension are really

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to sustain a vital youth service in the community at Sherman Park. The extension ensures a long-term

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stewardship of the Sherman Park facility and it supports community investment in park infrastructure.

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the 10-year extension through July 31, 2021 will allow for the same utilities for the Boys and Girls Club that will be capped at 45,955 dollars and 48 cents annually.

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The clubs responsibilities are enhanced in that, in the prior agreement, they will have responsibility for the complete maintenance of the new parking lot, and that includes all the pavement and the utilities and the interior operations of the facility, janitorial services and routine maintenance.

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So, the county's responsibilities include structural elements including the foundation, the exterior building components, roof flashings and exterior lighting, water sewer and electrical service lines, and will continue a good faith effort to secure funding for major infrastructure needs, and we're also responsible for the public amenities the splash pad and the public restaurants.

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And so the recommendation is for the Parks Committee to approve the proposed lease extension

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for the agreement at the Mary, Ryan, Boys and Girls Cove at Sherman Park.

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Thank you.

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Members of the committee?

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Supervisor Martinez.

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Thank you very much.

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Having lived over by Sherman Park for a lot of my formative years that building has been there

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or ever, and it's a real treasure to the community.

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I would be happy to move this for adoption.

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Thank you very much, supervisor.

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Other comments from other supervisors?

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And the committee?

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And you've been off the committee?

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All right.

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Seeing no further discussion.

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Miss Evans, you'd like to call the roll on the vote.

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On the motion by supervisor Martinez,

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that item number two, be recommended for adoption,

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supervisor Taylor District 17.

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Hi.

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Martin.

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Hi.

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Hogs Jones.

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Aye, Martinez, aye, Eplad,

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O'Connor, aye, Mr. Chairman, aye, seven aye, zero nose, the motion prevails.

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I have to tell you have to support the boys and girls club, because their campwhip comes on late cases.

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And I go by your lake water skiing all the time. So the boys and girls club is a very near and dear part to my family. So keep up the good work.

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Thank you.

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Appreciate you, Sam.

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Thank you.

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Item number three, Ms. Evans.

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Item three from the Executive Director of Milwaukee County Parks requesting authorization

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to grant a 10-year maintenance covenant to the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewridge District, MSD.

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For tree plantings at Menomany River Parkway, authorization is also requested for the county

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executive and county clerk to execute all necessary documents for future plantings supported

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by the U.S. Forest Service, U.S. F.S. Grant.

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Mr. Tarantino.

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Good morning. Jim Tarantino, Deputy Director Milwaukee County Parks.

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Good morning. The NASA Caster Director of Administration, Milwaukee County Parks.

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All right. So just a little bit of background.

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A year ago, County Parks provided an informational report on a forthcoming tree planting

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partnership at the Connect Connect Parkway. This file will continue

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the successful tree planting partnership between Milwaukee County Parks, MMSD and the Milwaukee River Keepers.

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MMSD's ReForce Station and Wetland Restoration Program, that is hard to say,

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Intense to plant 6 million trees and restore over 4,000 acres of wetlands over the next 10 years,

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and the USFS grant funding supports the implementation costs.

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1.3 Acre Reforestation Project at the Monami River Parkway and West Concordia Avenue in

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Wala Tosa will look at planting 172 native trees and shrubs and these will be planted

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by community volunteers. This is really a natural flood management measure and it captures

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all the water in place. It aligns with the Milwaukee County Park's 2023 through 26 strategic

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plan priority to expand the tree canopy. MMSE requires green infrastructure to be protected as

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part of this agreement. And these are the terms outlined in the proposal before you today.

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The county will assume full responsibility for the operation, maintenance, and performance evaluation.

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there will be a 10-year limited maintenance covenant with MMSD. MMSD will retain the inspection

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and monitoring rights, and they also have the right to enter the property for inspection and monitoring.

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And this image shows the location of the tree planting and wetland restoration area,

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so it's just north of Berlin and Curry Park is off this image to the north.

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And the see,

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so this is the highlight area.

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And that is all and we request your approval

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of this maintenance covenant.

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Oh, yes, supervisor.

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I move for adoption.

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Well, all right, great.

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Community members.

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Now, and committee members.

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That is.

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All right, that went pretty quickly too.

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This guy is going to like to call the, well,

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On the motion by Supervisor O'Connor, that item number three be recommended for adoption, Supervisor Taylor.

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Martin?

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Aye.

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Cog stones?

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Aye.

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Martinez?

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Eckblad?

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Aye.

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Aye.

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O'Connor?

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Aye.

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Mr. Chairman.

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Seven eyes, zero nose, the motion prevails.

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I just want to thank also MMSD.

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At first, I wanted to just really appreciate the partnership between the Parks Department

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and MSD. It really is a win for everybody in our communities for the organizations themselves.

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They do a great job and continue to future work as your partnership continues to grow and thrive.

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And also thank you for MSD's work for that thousand year flood that we had and all the retention pools and ponds.

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I don't think they got thanked enough. So Kevin Jaffer, if you're listening.

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Item 4 from the Executive Director of Milwaukee County Parks requesting authorization to grant an easement to American transmission company, ATC at Jackson Park to provide electric service relocation.

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Mr. Territory, Mr. Eversa.

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Jim Terrentino, Deputy Director Milwaukee County Parks.

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Vanessa Caster, Director of Administration, Milwaukee County Parks.

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So again, this request is from the Executive Director

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of Milwaukee County Parks, seeking authorization

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to grant an easement to American transmission company

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at Jackson Park to provide electric service location.

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So just a brief background, the existing high power voltage

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power lines at Lincoln Avenue's substation to South 43rd Street are from 1955, and are the

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oldest in ATC's service area and have reached the end of their operational life. So the replacement

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is needed for maintaining electrical reliability across the Milwaukee area. The new installation

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will be underground at Jackson Park and it allows the current lines to remain active during

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construction to avoid any service disruption. ATC evaluated other potential routes, but there's

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other utilities that already occupy the right of way, and there's insufficient space for construction

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materials staging. So no other viable alternatives were found. The completion is scheduled

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before MMSG's scheduled planned work in Jackson Park all of their improvements.

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So the terms of this easement is permanent. The easement fee is $1.60 per square foot, and the

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easement area is $41,102 square feet, and the total easement fee is $65,763.20.

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And we are recommending

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County Parks Committee approval of the easement to allow ATC to continue providing electrical

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service to the area. And then the next steps this will provide authority to prepare review

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and approve and execute all of the necessary easement documents. Thank you.

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Thank you very much for the supervisor Martinez. Thank you very much and thank you for this presentation.

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I, along with Deputy Director Jim Terentino, we went to that ATC informational session over

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at Alvernal a couple of weeks ago.

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Mostly, I mean, through the part of Jackson Park, that's my district, it's going to be pretty

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undisrupted, undisrupted, but in Supervisor Caprio, all those district, this is going to

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be pretty disruptive of the way traffic is going like with the one way the way it's going

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and I have like the detours going all the way around a little bit north of that so I was

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just wondering if this easement fee that we're going to be receiving I'd like to be able to

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say to the residents around Jackson Park that we would be using the funds to maybe put it towards

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something special in Jackson Park, particularly with some of the residents that I've spoken

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to around there, there's a bridge that bridge that's been out for, I don't know, how long

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I know, if we could, I mean, I might have to draft an amendment or something like for that,

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saying that if we could use those funds to put it towards that in Jackson Park, maybe towards

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the bridge. What would be the kind of, we would be your thoughts on that?

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Chair and Supervisors, what good news is that that bridge is going to be replaced as part

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of the MMSD investment in Jackson Park. And that's one of several improvements that will

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be occurring over the next couple of years in this part of the park, the whole area that

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currently, if you're on 43rd Street, you'll see athletic fields under construction just south

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around Manitoba and then this area north to the railroad tracks that basketball courts will

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be relocated to this area.

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A new pathways will be built to connect the KK River Parkway on the north of the river

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across 43rd Street and then a new parkway will be built all through West East throughout

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Jackson Park.

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So that bridge that you're talking about that has been closed because of the condition

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of it will be replaced with a new bridge in the future along with a whole host of other

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improvements, new playgrounds, pickleball courts, lighting.

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Like path. So no amendment is needed to this easement at this time to fund future improvements, but I hear what you're saying about the impacts to the park and the general neighborhood and the south side with this whole ATC project.

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the extent of, you know, traffic impacts,

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South Korean third street impacts is much greater,

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South of Oklahoma.

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There's, I believe, a D-12 plant.

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This, we thought that the impacts to the park here

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were pretty minimal, because it's directional bore.

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It's being sequenced before the MMSD work

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that's happening, so it doesn't prevent anything

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from happening.

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So, I guess my recommendation would be

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that an amendment is not needed,

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but if we want to have additional conversations

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about what the investment from MMSD

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and parks and jacks and looks like in the future so that you understand how much better

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everything is going to be. After all that work is done, we're happy to do that.

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Okay, yeah, I must thank you very much for that. I must have missed that part about the bridge.

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There's so many improvements going on at jacks and park playgrounds basketball courts and everything

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in that. I don't think I've really gotten like the full representation of what's going to

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with that bridge, so I would appreciate that and at this point, yeah, I'd like to make a motion to approve.

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Sounds good. Motion's been made for approval. Other committee members?

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And, not in committee members, supervisors.

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Okay, all right. I see no further discussion. Miss Evans, you'd like to call the roll for the vote.

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On the motion by supervisor Martinez, that item number four would be recommended for adoption.

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Supervisor Taylor District 17.

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Martin.

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Hi.

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Hogs Jones.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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Epleb.

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O'Connor.

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Mr. Chairman.

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Seven eyes.

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Zero nose.

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The motion prevails.

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All right.

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Thank you very much.

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Mr. Terry Taylor and Vanessa.

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Next up is our aquatic studies.

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There's something that a lot of people are very interested in.

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Miss Evans.

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You like to announce the item.

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Item 5 from the Executive Director of Parks requesting authorization to adopt the 2025 Milwaukee County Parks Aquatic Study as an

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from Rocky County Parks.

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I'm here on behalf of Milwaukee County Parks,

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because this aquatic study is shared.

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It's part of the overall park and open space plan.

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That's a living document

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that represents our most recent long-term planning efforts.

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Milwaukee County, Milwaukee County Parks,

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are built upon a tradition of providing public services

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to all residents.

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The focus of this most recent study

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has been a pragmatic and sustainable analysis

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of the aquatic offerings in our park system, as well as setting a trajectory for future management

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and investments that are aligned with Milwaukee County's resources and interests.

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The Mission Milwaukee County is to enhance the quality of life in Milwaukee County

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through great public service, specific values drive this mission. Respect, we work with and for others,

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integrity, we do the right thing, and excellence we never stop improving.

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Milwaukee County Parks uniquely supports this county vision, mission and values, because

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Parks touch every person in Milwaukee County. Parks and proof is go health, support mental

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health, provide clear and air and water and strengthen communities. When Parks live, people

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thrive. Parks mission is destroyed a thriving park system that positively impacts every

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Milwaukee County Parks visitor. The vision of parks is to foster dynamic connections through

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our land and community. The vision of parks is to heighten the quality of life and lead as a model

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park system. The core values of Milwaukee County parks are the heart of the department. We're fun.

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We provide unique spaces for people of all abilities to play and enjoy life. We're inclusive.

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we strive towards racial equity and reflect the people we serve. We're green. We care about

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the world around us in our impact on it. We're resourceful. We cultivate creative partnerships

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in stewardship opportunities and of course your backyard. We grow parks for all. As one of the

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many aspects of a world-class park system, Aquatics is a service area that enhances Milwaukee County's

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quality of life and provide space for recreation.

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Walkie Parks, Milwaukee County Parks, sees this planning study as a key guide for future

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commitments to aquatics and our public.

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Good

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morning, Chair and Supervisors, Sarah Tumson, director of planning for the Parks Department, and I'm joined by George Dynast, who is our consultant, one of several on a project team that's been working for multiple years to complete this study, allow George to introduce himself.

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Good morning, I'm George Dynast with Councilman Hunsaker and we're the Aquatics firm that's been working with Sarah and her team on this study.

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Wonderful. So we do have a PowerPoint that was a part of your packet that we would like to walk through.

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And I just want to reinforce the introduction that Guy gave, and thank you Guy, that we are seeking adoption of this plan as an addendum to our long range plan.

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We feel that this is an important method of adopting these guiding principles because through

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an adopted parking open space plan that makes us eligible for a variety of grant programs.

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State and federal grants require that you have an adopted parking open space plan that meets

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certain compositional elements. And so we would like to bridge our plan to include this study

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that follows what we intend to do with the upcoming trails network plan and what we've already done with the Northwest

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Trail's Connections Study.

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Alright, so jumping right in, the study goals were to cover the entirety of the system to take a look

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in the past, into the current and into the future.

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And so we began by assessing the existing system, the infrastructure in place, the way that we manage the financial conditions

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And we took a large inventory of what composes the Perks aquatic system.

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For the purpose of this study, we are not including our beach or riverfront sites, we're talking about pools.

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And so, we took a close look at those and we have a variety of audits related to those studies.

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We also included a discrete public engagement phase where we reached out and looked for information,

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what we're doing well, what we could improve on, and what we might not be thinking of when it comes to Aquatics.

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We took a specific approach to reach not only those who use Milwaukee County Parks Aquatics,

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but also those who may not use our Aquatic system and to find out more information about why.

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Through the course of the study as we got more and more data, we evaluated a variety of future state options.

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We didn't go in with a pre-determined outcome, and we looked at all the available options before

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selecting the path forward, and the recommendations are for that 20-year planning horizon.

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These recommendations come from this team of outside experts, and are based on the data that we were able to provide to them over the past

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5 or 20 years. We haven't had a new aquatic study since the year 2002.

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So this image you don't need to be able to read the font, I understand how small that is,

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but it shows the inventory of the system at the beginning of our project.

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Since that time we have had some changes in the system, as you may know,

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there's a new splash pad under construction at Sherman Park,

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which is a conversion from the waiter that had been in place.

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What I think is important about this slide is if your eye can differentiate

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that magenta color from the black font that's labeling these aquatic site.

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Those things that are magenta or pink are not owned by Milwaukee County.

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So when you look at the county-wide coverage and what is available to residents,

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they might not only use Milwaukee County facilities, they may also be served

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by other local municipal offerings, private pools, or they may actually travel outside of the county as well.

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This slide is, again, using some graphic representation

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to help us look back at the last 100 years

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of Milwaukee County Parks and Aquatics.

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We're lucky to have such a long-term system,

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but if what you're seeing in the small blue dots

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are periods of construction and rehabilitation

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for aquatic facilities, what you see with the green dots

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are closures.

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So, in more recent years, unfortunately we've been experiencing closure.

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Members in the aquatic system. And some of that is just coming through the age of our system. Our newest pool was constructed over 15 years ago. And our indoor pool offerings are over 50 years old. Each aquatic facility does have a building component to it, waiting pools or splash pads have controls that are within usually an indoor space. Obviously our indoor pools are buildings of their own right.

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And so water parks have accompanying comfort stations and other elements.

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All of these assets are aging in place, and we haven't had too much new investment towards those.

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I think everyone is aware of the lifeguard challenges that have really been present since COVID,

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but we've worked so hard to rebound and build those staffing numbers.

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I think we've done a great job, but we have had a change in our system offerings.

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we've had to make some difficult decisions on closures and the role of a lifeguard is changing.

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Not only do we ask them to maintain swim safety but we also have challenges with behavioral

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issues on pull decks and the job is quite challenging. We see another system-wide challenge

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in facility utilization through looking at the attendance numbers we can see that obviously not

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things are equal, you really can't compare a cool water's water park to a local waiting pool as far as attendance numbers.

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But we see trends that there are more popular and less popular pool sites.

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And when we're looking at the entire system, we've tried to scrutinize where changes could be made to benefit the entirety of the aquatic system.

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And then obviously community needs and priorities is something that we've tried to always

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have present as the study has been taken.

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We've heard from the public that they want access to these sites.

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They do see that the county is the provider of recreational swim assets within public parks.

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And so we have used that information to determine the appropriate level of investment and

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service area coverage should be met by Milwaukee County.

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So one of the things that we did throughout our study was look at these different types

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of aquatic facilities that you have from the water parks, the deep sorting pools, the deep

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wells, the splash pads, and the waiting pools, and assign pretty standard drive time

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radiuses of the areas that those facilities serve.

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And so the next couple of slides you'll see here the splash pads and the waiting pools

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have about a five-minute drive-time radius and you can see the splash pads on the left there

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and the purple color are mainly centralized in the northern part of the county, the waiting

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pools, starting the north and get to the central southeast and south west, but the central

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south is left a little bit open. We look at the water parks with cool waters and

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sholes and Pelican curve and those have roughly a 15 to 20 minute drive time and

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so you can see that the majority of the county is within the drive time radiuses of

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one of those three types of facilities. They're the ones that have a zero depth

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and water slides, and so they just have a larger appeal and drive time range for residents.

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And then we have the older pools.

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We looked at, so we said not only the Milwaukee County facilities, but also those that are

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not run by Milwaukee County, but that are within the county.

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And so all of those facilities we would see having roughly about a 10-minute drive time,

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you can see it on the right, the existing pools, the Milwaukee County owns and operates

454
00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:12,810
and drive time based on that 10-minute coverage.

455
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:18,010
So with that, this is that it gets us to a place where we look at not only the outdoor,

456
00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:26,550
but also the indoor facilities and pretty good coverage actually between the two indoor pools

457
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:33,970
that the county operates when you cover that with the other area indoor facilities, there's definitely

458
00:39:34,810 --> 00:39:43,590
good access for county residents for indoor aquatics. And when you look at the entire system

459
00:39:43,590 --> 00:39:50,790
in coverage as a whole, when you think about the splash pads, the waiting pools, the swimming pools,

460
00:39:51,490 --> 00:39:56,010
the water parks, the indoor pools, as well as the other non Milwaukee county providers.

461
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:59,970
There is relatively good coverage when all of those...

462
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:09,220
Our place together in terms of residents in a rocky county having reasonable drive time access to these different types of aquatic facilities.

463
00:40:14,060 --> 00:40:25,140
One of the other big aspects of our study was looking at the overall cost to operate the facilities, and then also the revenue that those facilities bring in.

464
00:40:25,140 --> 00:40:26,900
We have a comparison chart.

465
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,860
Peer on the left is the outdoor pool revenue

466
00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:33,480
and expenses the revenue being in orange,

467
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,920
and then the expenses being in the blue historically,

468
00:40:38,420 --> 00:40:42,300
as you all know, Aquatics is a subsidized endeavor

469
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:43,560
for most municipalities.

470
00:40:44,180 --> 00:40:47,900
And so we would expect to see a subsidy on these facilities.

471
00:40:47,940 --> 00:40:51,180
You'll also notice the ones that do not have any revenue

472
00:40:51,180 --> 00:40:58,520
associated with them are ones that have been closed for sometimes a year and

473
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,920
alternating year or some have been closed since the summer of 2019 and

474
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,540
there are a lot of parks side. I think one of the things that you'll notice

475
00:41:06,540 --> 00:41:11,020
obviously is that cool waters is by far the most popular facility within the

476
00:41:11,020 --> 00:41:16,900
system generating over 50,000 visits close to half a million dollars in

477
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:22,440
revenue, but one of the other things is so mentioned in terms of increasing expenses.

478
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,800
The expenses to operate coolwaters have increased pretty dramatically over the past several

479
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:35,540
years between the cost of chemicals, cost of repairs, and then wage increases for lifeguard staff.

480
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:41,340
And so this has also been a huge part of our study just to look at the overall operation of the facility,

481
00:41:41,380 --> 00:41:46,000
not just utilization, but then also the revenue and expenses for each facility.

482
00:41:49,110 --> 00:41:57,250
And so what we did is use 2023 is essentially a representative year, because of the way that

483
00:41:57,250 --> 00:42:04,630
the closures have happened since 2019 and even a little bit before that we did find that

484
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:10,370
it was hard to get a full representative sample by looking at maybe an eight year pattern

485
00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:13,350
because not every pool was open for all those eight years.

486
00:42:13,350 --> 00:42:21,550
So we took 2023 as a representative sample and looked at again all of those different facility

487
00:42:21,550 --> 00:42:22,390
types.

488
00:42:22,770 --> 00:42:30,870
The total expenses were about 2.7 million with revenue hitting about 800,000 for the

489
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:33,590
aquatic system as a whole.

490
00:42:33,710 --> 00:42:41,130
And that incorporates lifeguard staff, repair and maintenance, as well as all aspects of

491
00:42:41,130 --> 00:42:45,650
operation, pool chemicals, operating supplies, all those different categories.

492
00:42:48,570 --> 00:42:53,910
As mentioned, we did include a public engagement as part of this study effort.

493
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:59,950
It was over several months, many months, and it took a variety of formats.

494
00:43:00,090 --> 00:43:04,710
We held open houses across the county in the different regions.

495
00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:09,070
We also attended what we call intercept events, which are events that are already happening.

496
00:43:09,070 --> 00:43:14,690
we're perhaps we would reach folks that we're going to attend an open house to talk about

497
00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:20,150
aquatics. We went to the zoo for instance. We attended Juneteenth and we engaged with people

498
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:27,550
to ask them to take our survey. Our survey had over 4,000 responses and did include people who

499
00:43:27,550 --> 00:43:34,090
both used the pool system as well as people who did not and we found this information to be really

500
00:43:34,090 --> 00:43:45,970
We engaged in three languages, English, Spanish and Mong, and we pulled that data together and we found some certain themes throughout those findings.

501
00:43:46,810 --> 00:43:51,330
Essentially, people have a positive perception of fees.

502
00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:56,910
They voiced that they would be in favor of fee increases if it meant reinvestment in aquatics.

503
00:43:57,590 --> 00:44:01,310
People appreciated the recreational aspect of the pool system,

504
00:44:01,310 --> 00:44:05,610
And many people said that they use it for heat relief in the summer months.

505
00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:17,470
They prioritized the importance of swim safety, and they understood that accessibility means that there are a variety of options for them across the county system.

506
00:44:17,850 --> 00:44:23,310
They may not have known which pool was owned by Milwaukee County, but they knew the pool that they used most frequently.

507
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:29,490
We also heard things that we could improve on ways to expand accessibility.

508
00:44:29,490 --> 00:44:38,770
So this doesn't just mean which sites are open, but also how long those hours are available and how long pools are staffed for things like night swim

509
00:44:39,490 --> 00:44:49,210
We heard obviously when we showed them an imagery of new trends in recreation and new types of slides and things like that everyone was interested in that

510
00:44:49,210 --> 00:44:54,650
especially the kids wanted to try some of those newer aquatic features and

511
00:44:54,650 --> 00:44:58,490
we also heard that we could improve communication letting people know what is open

512
00:44:58,490 --> 00:44:59,950
where it is and how it can be.

513
00:45:01,220 --> 00:45:06,680
And this is just a snapshot of a few of those questions and the kinds of information we received.

514
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:13,620
We wanted to know how people reach our aquatic facilities and what we heard largely was that people are driving.

515
00:45:13,780 --> 00:45:23,120
They're driving their own personal vehicle. They may be carpooling, but they're arriving by car to most of the aquatic sites that Milwaukee County controls.

516
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,680
Walking was a distant second.

517
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,520
We also wanted to understand why people may not be using the pool system that we have.

518
00:45:32,180 --> 00:45:42,660
And what we heard were a combination of things, including that a facility they once used had been closed during the year that we were engaging with them in 2023.

519
00:45:43,340 --> 00:45:52,520
Or we also heard that they did not have barriers that just chose to use other aquatic facilities during the time that they were using outdoor recreation.

520
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:57,660
although we did also include our indoor pools which of course operate year-round.

521
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:06,220
This is also a snapshot in time. I'm sure you're aware not all of these facilities have been open

522
00:46:06,220 --> 00:46:12,800
at the same time, but when we're engaging with people who are taking our survey, we find their responses

523
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,680
informative even if they haven't visited the pools in quite some time. So we wanted to measure

524
00:46:18,780 --> 00:46:26,020
facility usage for all of these options. What we see here are a theme that the most popular

525
00:46:26,020 --> 00:46:32,440
facilities also experience repeat visitors. People will continue to use the sites that they

526
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:38,580
enjoy the most and they are going back to those larger pool sites like coal waters,

527
00:46:39,740 --> 00:47:01,360
which, of course, is operated by a third party, and then as it pertains to waiting pools and splash pads, we see that attendance is in different scales of numbers, but we can see that some of the offerings in our regional parks, which have more amenities and more draw more people visiting those sites, we see higher attendance numbers.

528
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:09,080
Note that our waiting pools and splash pads do not have fees associated with them, but the indoor and deep wall pools do.

529
00:47:12,220 --> 00:47:21,960
And one of the facility types that we took a lot of time looking at analyzing was the waiting pools and particular their utilization.

530
00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:29,440
And what we find across the country is we work with other communities, is that waiting

531
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:36,280
pools are more of an aging aquatic component, there's nobody that is building waiting pools

532
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:36,960
today.

533
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:44,720
Most of the time we do find that the heat relief factor for recreational amenity, if it's

534
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:48,800
not going to be a pool, it's going to be a splash pad, which you all have already started

535
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:54,860
phasing in over the past numerous years, but what we did find in terms of the waiting

536
00:47:54,860 --> 00:48:00,920
pools is that some of these, you know, have less than ten people a day, some less than 25

537
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:07,940
people a day over the course of the summer and so their utilization was fairly low when you compare

538
00:48:07,940 --> 00:48:13,560
it to the pools and the system or some of the other splash pads.

539
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:19,780
What the other item that we look at is that the waiting pool does not allow for any type of aquatic

540
00:48:19,780 --> 00:48:20,320
programming,

541
00:48:22,420 --> 00:48:27,140
it does not, it's primarily, primarily function is going to be heat relief, which

542
00:48:27,140 --> 00:48:34,280
can also be accomplished with a splash pad, and that is something that typically comes with

543
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:42,320
more operational efficiency as opposed to the waiting pools, and also there would be some upgrades

544
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:48,300
is it would be needed for the waiting pools, and so we looked at some of the waiting pools

545
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:53,240
had already had a renovation, and so we would see those thing on longer than the ones that

546
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:56,560
are needing an innovation that those would be taken offline.

547
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,520
And we see a couple of trends of thermally aquatic industry.

548
00:49:02,060 --> 00:49:09,160
The first is going to be regional facilities that maybe have an indoor and an outdoor component

549
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:18,460
And when we look at the outdoor aquatics, we see facilities like cool waters and shows

550
00:49:18,460 --> 00:49:22,600
being built and being more popular that have a large zero depth entry, they have water

551
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:28,240
sides, they have children's designated children's areas.

552
00:49:28,460 --> 00:49:33,000
And so some of the challenges with utilization of the existing older pools is that their

553
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,460
water depth starts at three and a half to four feet and so it's just not an attractive place

554
00:49:37,460 --> 00:49:43,400
for young children because they can't be in the water and supervised or without being held

555
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,220
by a parent.

556
00:49:44,380 --> 00:49:48,760
So there's some of the things that we also looked at in terms of comparing your system,

557
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,480
to modern trends.

558
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:54,000
And we have seen again the rise of the splash pads.

559
00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:59,900
Some we would classify as more of a destination splash pad and so this would have

560
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:15,580
A little bit longer drive time than some of the more neighborhood splash pads, but it has some of the elements that you might see at a aquatic facility with a place structure in sprays, shade, perimeter seating.

561
00:50:15,580 --> 00:50:22,720
But we have seen that these are a popular amenity that don't require as much staff and

562
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:28,880
don't require as much water and so we can be a valid amenity and essentially take the

563
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:35,200
place of the waiting pools in terms of heat relief and just recreational aquatic value.

564
00:50:38,460 --> 00:50:45,380
There are also other agencies and levels of government that offer aquatics in Milwaukee

565
00:50:45,380 --> 00:50:51,420
county and these are three just three of the projects we are aware of that are happening right

566
00:50:51,420 --> 00:50:56,480
now they're in various stages of development the Oak Creek Franklin school district broke

567
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:02,640
ground on two pools the village of Fox Point is in the midst of fundraising for the pool

568
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:09,400
concept that you see in the center of the screen and Milwaukee wreck is beginning planning and

569
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,960
development of a north side recreation site that will include an aquatic

570
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:14,820
feature.

571
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:21,380
And so as we looked at the overall recommendations, we've been meeting with

572
00:51:21,380 --> 00:51:29,220
Sir and Hoteem weekly for almost the past year now as we go through the system,

573
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:34,920
the condition, the finances, and what the vision would be for the future.

574
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,980
We looked at those different categories that we talked about.

575
00:51:38,980 --> 00:51:45,420
Continuing operating cool waters and shows as they are two of your most popular facilities

576
00:51:45,420 --> 00:51:53,460
look at reimbursement in Pelican Cove, we came to a benchmark of around 7,500 visits

577
00:51:53,460 --> 00:52:08,560
as looking at a pool as more utilized over less utilization and so we would say that some of those

578
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:16,120
close or they could be transferred to a private operator similar to how it works right now

579
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:21,600
with Tosa Poole and Hoyt Park. On the way in Poole, as I mentioned with the renovation,

580
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:26,800
I didn't apply that budget threshold for capital investment, the ones that have been renovated

581
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:34,460
on the mechanical side that those could stay online longer and then phase out the ones with low

582
00:52:34,460 --> 00:52:39,980
utilization, and then on the splash pads, continue operating the ones that you have and then

583
00:52:39,980 --> 00:52:47,120
plan for areas of the county to build new runs, and as well as maybe bring the destination

584
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,820
splash pads to certain parts of the county.

585
00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:59,860
And so as we look at that, we would recommend that there is reinvestment in the existing water

586
00:52:59,860 --> 00:53:07,860
parks that there would be fewer of the older-style deporal pools, fewer later pools, but more

587
00:53:07,860 --> 00:53:15,300
splash pads that have additional amenities to help increase their utilization. And then, and hence

588
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:21,820
the programming of the existing indoor pools, is you all look to what the future of aquatic

589
00:53:21,820 --> 00:53:28,580
solar tier in the county. So those recommendations have been used as we put together our

590
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:39,440
capital requests for 2026. And I'm just showing a snapshot of the five year outlay. I know that the budget is being determined to this fall, but I just wanted to clarify that.

591
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:48,380
We have obviously we have knowledge of what the aquatic study has included and so based on those thematic recommendations by aquatic categories.

592
00:53:48,740 --> 00:53:52,880
We've made specific project requests in line with those recommendations.

593
00:53:54,380 --> 00:54:00,640
and this is the end of our presentation but I just want to close and seeing that obviously we're

594
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:09,460
happy to take any questions at this time but Aquatics is a subsidy that the Park System and Milwaukee

595
00:54:09,460 --> 00:54:16,940
County offers. We are not anticipating that Aquatics will be Gulf revenue right for us someday.

596
00:54:17,020 --> 00:54:22,120
We acknowledge that that is something that we offer as a service area and we do have a commitment

597
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,500
into that into the future.

598
00:54:25,020 --> 00:54:27,540
The question is finding that sustainable size

599
00:54:27,540 --> 00:54:30,600
so that we reach a point in which we can open the entirety

600
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,620
of our aquatic system, not make hard choices

601
00:54:33,620 --> 00:54:37,120
about opening enclosures and face these challenges,

602
00:54:37,260 --> 00:54:40,160
but reach the right size for what is sustainable

603
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,020
from a walkie county on multiple levels,

604
00:54:43,740 --> 00:54:46,700
including financial resources, staffing,

605
00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:49,860
and the infrastructure that's required to run aquatics.

606
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:55,060
Thanks, thank you very much for a complete report. Members of the committee, I think

607
00:54:55,060 --> 00:54:58,920
supervisor Eckblatt has his hand up first. Supervisor Eckblatt, the floor is yours.

608
00:55:00,180 --> 00:55:18,080
Thank you so much for your chairman, and thanks for this presentation. You know, there are three waiting pools in District 4 and seeing them be able to be open for the last two years has been really amazing because they really activate the spaces and typical New and Salem Park especially.

609
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:28,560
I guess one of the challenges in terms of utilization is that this waiting pools are only open. I believe if 72 degrees are warmer is that correct?

610
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,920
I want to get you the right answer.

611
00:55:38,450 --> 00:55:41,070
Good morning, Peter B. Director of Operations and

612
00:55:41,070 --> 00:55:46,250
Shield Trade. Supervisor Ecuador, you are correct. We do have conditions where we don't

613
00:55:46,250 --> 00:55:52,130
open if it's 72 degrees or cooler. I will say I'll see you then. If you just look

614
00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:58,050
at a calendar, when we open and when we close the 65 days for the season, this year the

615
00:55:58,050 --> 00:56:03,390
most splash pads were opened with 56 days, so there were nine days of rain or weather

616
00:56:03,390 --> 00:56:05,210
with that prevent-induced opening.

617
00:56:06,970 --> 00:56:10,350
Thank you very much for that quick report, Mr.

618
00:56:12,850 --> 00:56:14,630
I guess a quick question would be

619
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:19,450
what a splash pad increase the opportunity's

620
00:56:19,450 --> 00:56:19,990
visualization.

621
00:56:21,070 --> 00:56:23,950
I would do greater latitude to be open versus a waiting pool.

622
00:56:25,230 --> 00:56:28,550
Achievement supervisors, I do anticipate the answer

623
00:56:28,550 --> 00:56:31,090
would be equal or more availability.

624
00:56:32,410 --> 00:56:41,250
Some of our waiting pools actually many required draining and refilling every night, and so that is all different in the operations of a splash pad.

625
00:56:41,490 --> 00:56:45,170
Additionally, the requirement for an attendant splash pad is different.

626
00:56:45,290 --> 00:56:54,290
So we wouldn't have to have that schedule dependent on some of those weather conditions and the splash pad could run when people are there to use it.

627
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:58,480
Other questions?

628
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:08,700
Thank you, Chair, and thank you for that in-depth report, and I appreciate it, the ability

629
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:16,180
to look at it a little bit in advance, and also the contextualization of what Milwaukee

630
00:57:16,180 --> 00:57:20,740
County Parks is doing along in the regional planning of other areas.

631
00:57:21,060 --> 00:57:25,860
My particular district doesn't have any aquatic facilities, so I think it's really good

632
00:57:25,860 --> 00:57:32,560
compare. I just also wanted to share that I appreciated the high level overview of the historical

633
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:40,300
funding as well. Part of what has informed my framework for thinking about this is a book

634
00:57:40,300 --> 00:57:47,080
by Heather McGee called the sum of us, as you am, where there's specifically a chapter about how racism

635
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:52,640
drained the pool. So I would also just say that if other people want to familiarize themselves

636
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:59,740
of some of the historical circumstances around investments in aquatics, there's also an American

637
00:57:59,740 --> 00:58:07,060
medical association article from December of 2021 called what public swimming pools teach us about

638
00:58:07,060 --> 00:58:14,580
racism's cost by Timothy Smith. So I just think that can offer some really interesting perspective

639
00:58:14,580 --> 00:58:20,220
on the health impacts of aquatics in the community as well. So thank you.

640
00:58:20,220 --> 00:58:21,580
Thank you.

641
00:58:21,580 --> 00:58:22,520
Thank you very much.

642
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:23,960
Very much supervisor kind of.

643
00:58:24,060 --> 00:58:28,140
I also have familiar with both those articles you cite in, it's very, I think they're

644
00:58:28,140 --> 00:58:28,760
excellent articles.

645
00:58:29,020 --> 00:58:29,780
Supervisor Martinez.

646
00:58:30,860 --> 00:58:31,860
Thank you very much.

647
00:58:32,940 --> 00:58:33,620
I'm very surprised.

648
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,380
Thank you very much for this presentation, by the way.

649
00:58:35,420 --> 00:58:41,060
I'm very surprised to see Jackson Park pool renewal planning in here for $180,000.

650
00:58:41,580 --> 00:58:48,620
Now, if, I mean, I don't want to sidetrack this presentation or anything, but I was under

651
00:58:48,620 --> 00:58:54,560
impression that that pool was never gonna be reopened because of what it would take to get

652
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:59,800
it because what I understood is that it has to be gutted completely from the bottom up because

653
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:07,740
of the chlorine was linking into the lagoon. So I'm just surprised to see it here because we had already

654
00:59:07,740 --> 00:59:14,240
like started talking with like other community members about re utilizing that pool into like

655
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:21,140
something else like a skate park or something like that. So is this something that's going to be used for it?

656
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:31,480
I mean, is there like are we ready to take on completely gutting and rebuilding like a pool like Jackson Park?

657
00:59:32,340 --> 00:59:39,820
Chair, if I made Supervisors, that's an excellent point and it could just be poor naming of that project.

658
00:59:39,820 --> 00:59:46,180
It's because this study was coming to you after the preparation of the 2026 Capital Request,

659
00:59:46,780 --> 00:59:52,260
Jackson Pool Renewal was used as a generalized name for our project as you're also aware

660
00:59:52,260 --> 00:59:58,620
and the MST is committed funding to Jackson Park and certain percentage of that is directed

661
00:59:58,620 --> 00:59:59,580
towards Aquatics.

662
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:13,700
Would be our plan and as it relates to the capital outlay that a destination splash pad would be built in lieu of the pool that exists there because of the challenges it has with the existing infrastructure.

663
01:00:14,820 --> 01:00:23,540
And so that has a smaller footprint, a different amount of infrastructure required and would allow the balance of the site to be rethought as well.

664
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,700
It's also more efficient for us to operate and staff.

665
01:00:28,780 --> 01:00:30,800
So, thank you for that.

666
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:36,260
So, is this splash pad that you're thinking of in that same area or is it going to be

667
01:00:36,260 --> 01:00:39,000
somewhere else in a park or we're not sure of that yet?

668
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:44,260
Chair, supervisors, I do anticipate that we would want to make the connection near the existing

669
01:00:44,260 --> 01:00:49,560
utilities, but we would use a design phase, which is what you're seeing there to solidify

670
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:54,100
that and make sure that it's the right site that's available to the neighborhood in this

671
01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:59,580
regional park, we would likely have it somewhere in that vicinity and just personally I wouldn't

672
01:00:59,580 --> 01:01:05,300
want to impact the mature woods for the installation of the splash pad, but we would want

673
01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:10,040
it to be something that's accessible as soon as possible to bring something back online for

674
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,160
the neighborhood that has had their pool closed for quite a while.

675
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:19,620
Okay, I just want to be clear on that because that's been one of the second most contentious

676
01:01:19,620 --> 01:01:26,760
of pieces of, in my district specifically, Jackson Park pool being the only deep, well pool that

677
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,740
we have in the 12 district. So when I see something like that, you know, it's like if we're going

678
01:01:31,740 --> 01:01:38,880
to go in 180,000, that's going to be something that I'm going to start really pushing on in the future.

679
01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:48,680
I mean, given that we have what we have, but, well, that's just the planning. Yeah. That's

680
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:55,340
the cost of actually constructing. Yeah, that's what it means. And these are, this is just the

681
01:01:55,340 --> 01:02:02,580
next to what five year of capital olive for their quadics, not golf courses, not every other

682
01:02:02,580 --> 01:02:07,780
park project, playgrounds and that. So just because you see this, doesn't that mean they wish

683
01:02:07,780 --> 01:02:13,060
it performed that, you know, let's say in 2027, or you're going to have some of these for 2026,

684
01:02:13,060 --> 01:02:17,160
because we're already kind of down in the path of 2026 and none of these were in there.

685
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,660
And then planning, like we sat there during CIC.

686
01:02:21,580 --> 01:02:27,420
And director Laymer is like, if we take a look at these planning projects, we took them out

687
01:02:27,420 --> 01:02:31,040
certain other projects because then the big ticket item is down the road.

688
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,700
We came and do the projects that we got planned now.

689
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,720
So I mean like that's the challenge.

690
01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:41,040
This is up against everything else.

691
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:48,960
No, yeah. I understand that part. What I'm trying to say is like this is, it just kind of makes me light up a little bit.

692
01:02:49,220 --> 01:02:56,620
You know, you see something for Jackson Park, Jackson Park pool renewal, I just wanted to make sure that I'm understanding it correctly.

693
01:02:57,100 --> 01:02:59,160
So I appreciate, I appreciate your explanation.

694
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:06,760
Yeah, Chair Supervisor, I will say I feel confident that the Jackson Project will happen because of the committed MMSD funds.

695
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:12,220
It's just that the magnitude of the available funds will impact the scope of the project we undertake.

696
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:17,780
That said, MMSD has already made a commitment to fund Aquatics in Jackson.

697
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:26,360
But the deep water pool, they have a deep water pool on Jackson right now, and that will be removed as part of this planning is that.

698
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,320
Chair Supervisor, that is the recommendation.

699
01:03:28,660 --> 01:03:36,440
It would be one of several destination splash pad sites that you saw the image which includes the run-out slides and other amenities

700
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:44,480
that make for a longer stay for users and a wider range of ages being drawn to the facility.

701
01:03:46,060 --> 01:03:53,920
Other questions from committee members? Supervisor Cags Jones. And then to Supervisor Martin.

702
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:59,660
Actually, Supervisor Martin. And then, Supervisor Cags Jones. Sorry.

703
01:04:01,620 --> 01:04:06,340
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you, Supervisor Cows Jones. I appreciate it.

704
01:04:06,340 --> 01:04:13,220
point of special privilege. I would like to be excused for the remainder of the meeting.

705
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:19,810
Absolutely, and all the best. Thank you. Supervisor Cagge Jones.

706
01:04:21,820 --> 01:04:27,860
He was such an earthquake question in regards to the report. That was presented.

707
01:04:28,580 --> 01:04:37,000
I couldn't hear exactly if there were hours of operation that's Professor Eggblad asked about

708
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,940
regards to the splash pets.

709
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,040
If he didn't ask about hours of operation, that was going to be my question.

710
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,120
I didn't want to ask the same question twice.

711
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,540
A chair supervisor, I believe you're right. The hours were mentioned.

712
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:57,160
The Archbishop or excuse me, our waiting pools operate in the middle of the day.

713
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,960
I just know as a parent it's usually between 10 and 2.

714
01:05:00,270 --> 01:05:10,830
I think that that has remained pretty consistent. 11-4 is the conversion of midday openings.

715
01:05:12,350 --> 01:05:29,550
Okay, so quick question. Do you believe that the data that was collected could possibly be affected as far as not necessarily reach in the sufficient amount of hours or numbers needed to keep the splashcat open?

716
01:05:29,550 --> 01:05:34,270
do you think that those numbers were lower because of the hours of operation?

717
01:05:36,370 --> 01:05:39,970
To our supervisors, I would definitely be open to that possibility.

718
01:05:40,190 --> 01:05:46,610
I think as we evaluate where we're dedicating our trade staff operations staff and aquatic staff,

719
01:05:46,770 --> 01:05:50,710
we would be able to look at what we're staffing and when.

720
01:05:51,010 --> 01:05:57,210
I know ours have been a point of concern for all the pool types, including the waiters.

721
01:05:57,210 --> 01:06:06,370
You know, even the water parks people have wanted to see extended hours that requires the staffing and operation to support that kind of opening.

722
01:06:07,110 --> 01:06:16,210
So the way we manage operate and open our facilities would also be a consideration that we would take under advisement through this 20 year study.

723
01:06:17,150 --> 01:06:18,470
Thank you.

724
01:06:20,500 --> 01:06:23,980
All right. Other members from the committee? Other supervisors?

725
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:30,280
Supervisor Logs, and you got your hand up before our Supervisor Sky, Capriola.

726
01:06:40,810 --> 01:06:41,770
Welcome, Supervisor Logs.

727
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:43,250
Thank you, committee.

728
01:06:43,690 --> 01:06:44,850
Thank you, Chairman.

729
01:06:46,130 --> 01:06:50,270
Supervisor Logs in District 9, proud home of Health Corner's pool.

730
01:06:51,250 --> 01:06:56,470
I'm sure you can all hear the joy right now from Health Corner's area residents.

731
01:06:56,470 --> 01:07:00,210
as they have gone past the pool and noticed that it was filled,

732
01:07:00,790 --> 01:07:04,110
approximately a week ago, with anticipation that maybe

733
01:07:04,110 --> 01:07:05,370
something's happening.

734
01:07:06,130 --> 01:07:09,250
So I just want to share that when we have the open

735
01:07:09,250 --> 01:07:12,490
house event to share with a community,

736
01:07:12,750 --> 01:07:15,250
what they thought of the pool and what they want to do,

737
01:07:15,470 --> 01:07:17,750
that place was packed.

738
01:07:18,110 --> 01:07:21,210
They showed they want their community pool.

739
01:07:21,610 --> 01:07:23,530
So I don't know if you listen to that,

740
01:07:23,530 --> 01:07:25,170
As you said, you were at the events.

741
01:07:25,410 --> 01:07:26,610
We heard no feedback.

742
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:30,290
I do know that you have the paper on all the tables

743
01:07:30,290 --> 01:07:32,850
and the residents signed their comments.

744
01:07:33,330 --> 01:07:35,370
They were so excited that they are finally being

745
01:07:35,370 --> 01:07:37,510
listened to by the Parks Committee

746
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:39,530
and by the Milwaukee Parks Department.

747
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:43,750
So I just want to reiterate that they want their pool.

748
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:46,170
I see all the recommendations.

749
01:07:47,210 --> 01:07:49,370
I know one of the failures of our pools

750
01:07:49,370 --> 01:07:52,750
has been maintenance of other items in Milwaukee County.

751
01:07:52,750 --> 01:07:59,690
We need deferred maintenance, we need to set up a system to keep everything going so we don't have to think of closing

752
01:08:00,190 --> 01:08:04,160
Not only pools, but other facilities like the like the

753
01:08:04,670 --> 01:08:15,200
Domes and what happened with that. So that is something we all a supervisors need to put it put in our notes for future for the future for other

754
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:19,440
a very important facilities in Milwaukee County.

755
01:08:20,380 --> 01:08:23,480
So my local community is not going to give up.

756
01:08:23,940 --> 01:08:29,540
So as many of you are aware, probably within the next week I can make an announcement

757
01:08:29,540 --> 01:08:34,840
that one of the groups in health corners will be working with Milwaukee County

758
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,460
to do a lease at the pavilion of the pool.

759
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,880
And as we know when we work with different facilities like the boys and girls,

760
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:55,760
They will help out and modernize these pavilions which is a benefit to Milwaukee County because they are doing the fundraising and paying to take care of these facilities.

761
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,640
Next year, depending on what's going on right now, it helps corners pool.

762
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,500
Like I did mentioned, they just filled the pool.

763
01:09:04,380 --> 01:09:12,440
They're going to be deciding we have a group of people within health corners that would like to take over leasing the pool.

764
01:09:12,440 --> 01:09:19,300
And just make note that years ago we did have this happen at one point and it did stop.

765
01:09:19,460 --> 01:09:23,640
I don't know why, but it's a lot of work to go behind this.

766
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:28,940
So when this does come up, I hope I have support of the Park's Committee and the Park's Department.

767
01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:30,820
Thank you.

768
01:09:31,100 --> 01:09:32,480
Thank you very much, Supervisor Lodge.

769
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:33,220
Thank you.

770
01:09:33,220 --> 01:09:36,480
How did your refill of the pool go the other day?

771
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,680
Did you come up with an estimate how much the cost would be for the Hills corner pool?

772
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:45,680
That's a good question. I'm waiting patiently because there's still, I don't know if they have the results yet.

773
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:53,640
Supervisor, I mean, it's very nice. Good morning Peter, but I'd go back to our school trade and operation.

774
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:59,960
We are currently exploring that now, testing that with our trade and aquatic staff. So details will be.

775
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:12,240
Thank you. Thank you. Don't want to lose the community pool. Thank you. Good. Next up, supervisor, sky, capital, welcome to the committee.

776
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:27,440
Thank you, Mr. Chairman and committee members. I am here to support efforts to keep an aquatic future at Washington Park. I hear a lot from residents in that area that they have desperately missed having a pool there.

777
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:34,520
I'm very encouraged about the excitement that Parks Leadership has shared with me that they want to do something in Washington Park.

778
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:48,600
I do want to encourage everyone on my board colleagues to keep the planning budget that's in the 2026 Capital Improvements Committee recommendations in the budget for 2026.

779
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:55,920
I also want to support the idea of keeping some kind of swimming feature in the pool.

780
01:10:56,460 --> 01:11:00,740
This is an area that doesn't have a lot of access to a swimming feature.

781
01:11:01,420 --> 01:11:03,820
And I hear a lot from residents.

782
01:11:04,220 --> 01:11:09,060
How are our children going to learn how to swim if they don't have access to a pool?

783
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,580
Does that mean it's a deep water pool or a deep well pool?

784
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:14,060
I don't think it has to be.

785
01:11:14,060 --> 01:11:18,900
could it be a four-foot pool? I don't know all the, I don't know, Aquatics. Like, you probably

786
01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:24,820
know so much better than I do, you probably learned quite a bit, but I do know that residents

787
01:11:24,820 --> 01:11:29,400
and community leaders in the Washington Park area really want to see something that their

788
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:35,240
kids can learn how to swim at. So I'm also really excited to work with neighborhood advocates,

789
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:41,420
private partnerships, to build something in Washington Park in the next few years that

790
01:11:41,420 --> 01:11:51,040
But we'll be truly an asset to the neighborhood and also be something that draws people in not only from around Milwaukee County but from surrounding counties as well.

791
01:11:51,500 --> 01:11:52,520
So thank you very much.

792
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:54,000
Thank you.

793
01:11:55,550 --> 01:11:56,870
Other committee members.

794
01:11:57,690 --> 01:11:59,810
Other nine committee members.

795
01:12:00,270 --> 01:12:01,130
Supervisor Martin.

796
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,980
So this

797
01:12:11,180 --> 01:12:12,060
is a motion.

798
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:13,960
This is an action item.

799
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:16,880
No, this is not.

800
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,960
Let's say number five.

801
01:12:19,900 --> 01:12:20,560
We can move.

802
01:12:20,620 --> 01:12:21,420
We can move adoption.

803
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:23,660
Let me make a move for adoption.

804
01:12:24,300 --> 01:12:24,480
All right.

805
01:12:24,780 --> 01:12:27,120
There's been a motion for adoption of the aquatic study.

806
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:29,240
I have some questions.

807
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:31,420
Question.

808
01:12:32,620 --> 01:12:35,180
I get to start with waiting pools in general.

809
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,200
And I guess the history of waiting pools.

810
01:12:38,460 --> 01:12:41,220
Were the purpose of waiting pools when they were first designed?

811
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:44,240
Was the purpose to get kids into swimming?

812
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:48,900
was it to encourage kids to learn how to swim small children and then they would go on for swimming

813
01:12:48,900 --> 01:12:52,860
lessons in the future. Was that what the original purpose, the waiting clothes when they were

814
01:12:52,860 --> 01:12:56,620
hit from a historical perspective? I guess I'm looking at, I don't think a parts department has

815
01:12:56,620 --> 01:13:02,940
that expertise but as our as our consultant. What's the answer to that? I think it was probably

816
01:13:03,540 --> 01:13:09,220
twofold. The first would be heat relief and the second one, the just a general introduction

817
01:13:09,860 --> 01:13:15,480
to water, though they are limited in their scope, just because of the depth, so that limited

818
01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:21,980
in what they can provide for swimming, but it would provide base-level introduction to

819
01:13:21,980 --> 01:13:22,340
water.

820
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:28,440
So we never really designed to start encouraging swimming at our just more introduction, but

821
01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:32,860
not really get kids into swimming classes, beginner ones swimming classes and stuff, correct?

822
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:38,840
I could see that it would encourage that, but those types of activities would not be able

823
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:43,560
be held within the waiting pools. Is anyone building waiting pools anywhere in the

824
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,080
country or is it completely gone?

825
01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:54,240
We, I have not run across in my work that systems are implementing and constructing new

826
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,200
waiting pools. So it's all splash pads everywhere.

827
01:13:58,340 --> 01:14:03,380
Correct splash pads and family aquatic centers. And as splash pads do we have a temperature

828
01:14:03,380 --> 01:14:08,780
set at that? Could we do, we have 72 degrees for waiting pools? Is there a splash? Is there

829
01:14:08,780 --> 01:14:13,900
splash pad temperature? It's the same. So you won't turn it on unless it's 72 degrees

830
01:14:13,900 --> 01:14:20,220
out. And if it goes down during the course from 11 o'clock to 4 o'clock, do you then turn

831
01:14:20,220 --> 01:14:21,680
off the water at that point?

832
01:14:23,820 --> 01:14:28,180
Good morning, Peter. Good morning. Peter, go back to that

833
01:14:28,180 --> 01:14:33,060
evaporation, go to aid. Generally, that doesn't really happen very often normally the temperature

834
01:14:33,060 --> 01:14:38,240
just goes up. I mean, it's really a call like sometimes like, for example, Gordon might be a lot

835
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:45,860
it's on the lake where, you know, there's seal bearings and it's more inland. There's not really at much lake

836
01:14:45,860 --> 01:14:51,760
of air. So, normally at the start of the day, we look at it, if it's going to be 72

837
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:56,140
a higher, so, side by side, it's a call made by the operator.

838
01:14:57,140 --> 01:14:59,960
And it's at least a month of a salary employee.

839
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:10,760
These just have one parks employee just turn the water on, and at the end of the day they turn it off. That's all that's needed pretty much for in terms of your workforce requirements.

840
01:15:11,380 --> 01:15:28,960
Yes, Chairman Supervisor, we these are way to attendants, so they do get paid a little bit less than other folks, but it's a pretty involved process, you know, they put aside a sweep off the glass and stuff, they fill the way that is.

841
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:33,460
They're there all day, they have to be their presence and attendant.

842
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,340
And I also think of it as workforce development.

843
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,780
We have some real good portendants there.

844
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,520
We really have a little recruit for getting involved with life code.

845
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:43,880
Because there's a good presence.

846
01:15:43,940 --> 01:15:46,200
A lot of these great employees have.

847
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:47,920
And so I view it as a pipeline.

848
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,300
Can you be 16 years old and watch the supply spread?

849
01:15:51,820 --> 01:15:51,880
Yes.

850
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:54,780
You have to be 16 year old to do that.

851
01:15:55,620 --> 01:15:56,240
Thank you.

852
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:56,920
Thank you.

853
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:02,560
Another question I have is, kind of going on, we heard the theme that Supervisor

854
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:08,540
will kind of brought up and was followed up with, I think, Supervisor Capriela, the skill

855
01:16:08,540 --> 01:16:08,920
sets.

856
01:16:10,020 --> 01:16:14,020
And where do we, I mean, this is a larger question, I guess the consulting can comment

857
01:16:14,020 --> 01:16:14,460
on this.

858
01:16:15,500 --> 01:16:24,440
But what role does Milwaukee County have to play in the development of swimming skills for

859
01:16:24,440 --> 01:16:31,420
population that in terms of a minority population that African Americans and Hispanic individuals

860
01:16:31,420 --> 01:16:36,220
in two thirds of that population, as adults, do not know how to save themselves in a swimming

861
01:16:36,220 --> 01:16:44,640
pool or in any water environment. What role does Milwaukee County and I guess, as a consultant

862
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:50,360
who looks at all these areas, what role does government serve in, especially our county because

863
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:55,060
been contracted with our county. What world do we play and teach in those skill sets?

864
01:16:57,130 --> 01:17:06,090
Yes, great question. I would say that the primary focus of Milwaukee County Aquatics

865
01:17:06,650 --> 01:17:12,330
that we came to see through this study was the role of a recreational aquatic provider.

866
01:17:12,550 --> 01:17:19,530
But within that is the subset of Aquatics programming, both on the fitness side as well as the

867
01:17:19,530 --> 01:17:29,730
instructional side and so these facilities can offer swimming lessons and aquatic programs

868
01:17:29,730 --> 01:17:36,230
whether it's introduction to water safety or full swimming lessons. Some of the areas

869
01:17:36,230 --> 01:17:42,890
were also being covered by the Milwaukee County public schools who are offering swimming lessons

870
01:17:42,890 --> 01:17:51,590
at their pools as well, and so we really see it as an initiative between all of the municipal

871
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:55,830
providers that have aquatic facilities to be able to offer that core offering of aquatic,

872
01:17:55,930 --> 01:18:04,830
especially because of the historical disparities in access to water, but then also being

873
01:18:05,530 --> 01:18:11,690
community that is on the lake and wanting kids to be able to have basic water safety knowledge

874
01:18:11,690 --> 01:18:18,850
if not swimming skills before, they reach the age of 13 is usually the age where if a child

875
01:18:18,850 --> 01:18:23,130
does not learn to swim by the age of 13 and they probably will not learn to swim at all.

876
01:18:23,330 --> 01:18:27,070
And so it's critical to get them introduced to the water, but I think that the outdoor

877
01:18:27,070 --> 01:18:33,030
aquatics plays a key role in that because it does get children in the water and interested in

878
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:37,410
swimming and so then they can go on to taking swimming lessons as well once they've been introduced

879
01:18:37,410 --> 01:18:38,170
to the water.

880
01:18:39,150 --> 01:18:43,710
Another follow-up question is the issue of deep water pools and the deep well pools.

881
01:18:44,930 --> 01:18:52,710
Is this, you know, when I grew up on my Milwaukee native group born and raised in Milwaukee, and, you know, we went to Madison.

882
01:18:53,130 --> 01:18:58,090
We went to Madison's pool, deep water pool, rode my bike there, all the kids in the neighborhood went there.

883
01:18:59,390 --> 01:19:06,070
Went to Dineen, went to Montgomery, we swam everywhere in the northwest side, and they're all gone.

884
01:19:07,130 --> 01:19:11,930
They're just wiped out. Is this happening all over the country? Is it just, are we the only

885
01:19:11,930 --> 01:19:17,110
county as, you know, we were short on money? Is this, is just a standard, just wiped out of

886
01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:19,330
deep water pools? What's happening nationwide?

887
01:19:20,750 --> 01:19:27,470
We definitely see that there has been a consolidation of the number of aquatic facilities that

888
01:19:27,470 --> 01:19:32,870
large municipalities are trying to operate to keep

889
01:19:34,110 --> 01:19:39,330
COSLO higher sustainability in terms of financials with their within their system.

890
01:19:41,790 --> 01:19:48,970
And the old and OPA standard was that neighborhood pool, one pool for every 10 to 20,000 residents.

891
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:54,930
Now that standard is anywhere from one to 50 to one to 100, I think the mean are the average

892
01:19:54,930 --> 01:19:59,970
within the National Recreation and Parks Association's surveys is about one pool.

893
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:29,740
For every 40,000 residents, but we are definitely working with other communities. We've worked with the city of Dallas, Texas, for the past 10 years now, and they have 10 new aquatic facilities, but they still have nine of their older aging facilities that have similar attendance and utilization patterns that you all do, where you have maybe less than 2 to 3, 2 to 3,000 total visits over the course of an 80 day season in the summer.

894
01:20:29,740 --> 01:20:32,820
And so they're getting less than 20 to 25 visits

895
01:20:32,820 --> 01:20:35,740
and so they're working to try to figure out,

896
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:37,680
do we take those offline?

897
01:20:37,820 --> 01:20:39,700
Do we consolidate with a more regional?

898
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,760
And I've had similar experiences with the survey results

899
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:47,060
that you all have that the majority of people are driving

900
01:20:47,060 --> 01:20:48,460
and not walking or biking.

901
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:51,100
And so it's a little bit easier to consolidate.

902
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:57,240
But we'd definitely find that the older model of one pool

903
01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:02,000
and every area is definitely being taken offline

904
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,640
and it's being replaced by more regional facilities.

905
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:10,340
And the other thing I think very striking in this report

906
01:21:10,340 --> 01:21:11,880
is the issue of noise pool.

907
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:16,200
With the attendance, the drop after COVID is so dramatic,

908
01:21:16,500 --> 01:21:20,600
we're putting so much money into this pool to maintain it

909
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:21,820
for so few visitors.

910
01:21:25,420 --> 01:21:29,720
I just don't know how much longer we can continue this, and I think that noise will probably

911
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:30,840
be on the chopping block.

912
01:21:31,060 --> 01:21:36,720
I mean, realistically, I know it's something that the supervisor and the district would

913
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:43,060
love to keep it, but at the same time, I think we have to face reality here, and if you

914
01:21:43,060 --> 01:21:49,660
have a pool that is causing so much for so little that's gained, I think that we have

915
01:21:50,260 --> 01:21:56,780
potentially close it and I'm making a public statement on this, but I think that noise

916
01:21:56,780 --> 01:22:02,320
pool days are in the numbered, unless people come out, unless people start attending,

917
01:22:02,580 --> 01:22:06,660
we just can't pay for things, when nobody shows up, when we have people showing up for other

918
01:22:06,660 --> 01:22:14,580
pools and other parts of the park and using it. So we have to use our resources most wisely.

919
01:22:14,580 --> 01:22:20,480
So just putting it on the, bring it up and making an item for this discussion.

920
01:22:20,580 --> 01:22:23,200
Because it's, it's going to be a big discussion and big item.

921
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:27,300
We've invested a huge amount of money on it by the same time, sometimes when you're

922
01:22:27,300 --> 01:22:31,980
making a bad investment and it's going bad on the stock market, you've got to cut your losses.

923
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,520
And I think we might have to cut our losses on noise.

924
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,120
So, but thank you very much for the support.

925
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:38,980
Any other comments from committee members?

926
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:48,460
I do have a public comment card from an Adrian Spencer who would like to speak for information

927
01:22:48,460 --> 01:22:49,160
only.

928
01:22:51,830 --> 01:22:53,110
Adrian, come on up.

929
01:22:53,370 --> 01:22:55,450
I feel like to introduce yourself and welcome to the committee.

930
01:22:59,310 --> 01:22:59,890
Good afternoon.

931
01:23:00,390 --> 01:23:01,990
Chairman, my name is Adrian Spencer.

932
01:23:02,850 --> 01:23:04,470
I live in midtown.

933
01:23:04,710 --> 01:23:05,770
I've worked on Washington Park.

934
01:23:06,170 --> 01:23:08,850
I am the Deputy Director for the Division of Washington Park.

935
01:23:08,850 --> 01:23:16,590
And I want to speak on behalf of the community of Washington Park, which I've been serving for the last three years.

936
01:23:17,410 --> 01:23:24,610
I'm currently in the community organizing perspective of going out knocking on doors, talking to residents over the last three years.

937
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:32,390
We talk to more than 400 residents in one year, just to really get a sense of what people want to see have happened in Washington Park.

938
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:38,750
And one of the things that I'll tell you is that the number of questions that we get from residents that are both

939
01:23:38,750 --> 01:23:45,410
North and East of Washington Park is what is happening with our bill in the living act open.

940
01:23:45,730 --> 01:23:49,330
That is the number one question that we give from residents is now.

941
01:23:49,330 --> 01:23:55,790
It is a climate topic amongst residents and North that are in the Washington Park neighborhood.

942
01:23:56,710 --> 01:24:04,590
We at Wooden Rising also are very interested in supporting the efforts to understand one from the community perspective.

943
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:17,570
How can we bring a water feature that will allow for swimming, double allow for recreation, double allow for different types of exercise and health benefits to the community.

944
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:23,270
We're interested in helping to understand from the community. How can we keep that in Washington Park?

945
01:24:23,930 --> 01:24:28,190
If you look at the area around Washington Park,

946
01:24:28,390 --> 01:24:31,510
residents are driving to other water features.

947
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:35,010
We have to go nine miles, probably not quite not,

948
01:24:35,090 --> 01:24:38,250
but more like four miles, east to shorts,

949
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:42,930
or probably nine miles west to Greenfield,

950
01:24:43,270 --> 01:24:45,930
in order to proper, I'm getting water.

951
01:24:46,430 --> 01:24:49,730
There's been a systematic the investment in Washington Park,

952
01:24:49,790 --> 01:24:52,770
which is why one of the reasons why the numbers are down

953
01:24:52,770 --> 01:24:55,210
at that park or had been down prior to a closing.

954
01:24:55,730 --> 01:24:58,370
If I, as a mother, and I have had to make this decision

955
01:24:58,370 --> 01:24:59,970
have to decide, shh.

956
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:05,620
Good I go to Washington Park, which is the work rule in this flashback, or should I go and take my kit to

957
01:25:05,620 --> 01:25:11,800
greenfield, which has all of the bills and whistles, obviously I'm going to pay to go there and

958
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:18,160
take that extra drive and those refreshments. So we as a community are hoping that you all will consider

959
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:24,860
funding the exploratory process so that we can see what the actions are to Washington Park and we as a community

960
01:25:24,860 --> 01:25:30,580
are interested in helping to fundraise or to help get the word out in the community and to

961
01:25:30,580 --> 01:25:34,960
help build pipelines that get kids into that part. One, fund folks that are a part of

962
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:40,800
community and two young folks that could help to employ that could be employed at that part

963
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:48,640
to help manage. So if you ever please take into consideration that if Washington Park remains close

964
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:54,400
to your point earlier, it is one of nine parts that have been closed in the last 20 years all

965
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:59,440
north side. So that is a disservice to this community and we will ask that you will consider

966
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:08,720
funding Washington part. Thank you. One last comment, when will the waiting pools be over?

967
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:13,080
In Milwaukee, when will the waiting pool history of Milwaukee County be over? Do we have a date

968
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:18,920
certain or date that you'd like to shoot for? Sure, supervisors. No, we don't have a date certain

969
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:25,040
as George mentioned, we would consider the operational efficiency in any waiting pool site if we

970
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:32,460
recently invested it if it has a high attendance number that matters. So this is a 20-year planning

971
01:26:32,460 --> 01:26:39,620
horizon and so I would say 20 years would be the end date for carrying out some of these categorical

972
01:26:39,620 --> 01:26:46,600
recommendations. But that said and related to the comment we just received, each project would

973
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:52,580
its own endeavor, and so public engagement related to each planning phase can be anticipated

974
01:26:52,580 --> 01:26:58,100
and we commit to that. This is kind of setting the trajectory for where we're heading,

975
01:26:58,420 --> 01:27:01,120
so that we can make our requests accordingly.

976
01:27:02,100 --> 01:27:05,640
Thank you very much, Mr. Thompson. Any further questions?

977
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:11,360
Seeing none, we have a motion and a floor for approval of the aquatic study. The summons you

978
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:16,420
to call the roll. On the motion by Supervisor Martinez that item number five be

979
01:27:16,420 --> 01:27:21,800
recommended for adoption Supervisor Taylor District 17, Cogs Jones,

980
01:27:23,930 --> 01:27:24,390
Martinez.

981
01:27:25,590 --> 01:27:32,250
Aye. F-blad. Aye. O'Connor. Aye. Mr. Chairman. Aye. Six eyes, zero nose.

982
01:27:32,410 --> 01:27:34,310
The motion prevails. Thank you very much.

983
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:43,790
Supervisor.

984
01:27:46,060 --> 01:27:47,900
Go for it. Yeah, you thought it in here.

985
01:27:51,160 --> 01:28:02,040
Before we set up the next part of the agenda, basically the way I structured the agenda today for the Parks Committee was that I wanted to get some of the easier items out of the way first.

986
01:28:02,660 --> 01:28:05,740
And then we were going to take up some more of the big items at the end.

987
01:28:06,820 --> 01:28:09,960
So we're going to set up the start with some of the bigger items now.

988
01:28:12,180 --> 01:28:15,520
And the sevens, if you'd like to announce item number six.

989
01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:23,420
Item 6, 2025 adopted budget amendment 6 from the Executive Director of Parks requesting authorization

990
01:28:23,420 --> 01:28:28,780
to enter into a lease agreement and a development agreement between Milwaukee County Parks

991
01:28:28,780 --> 01:28:33,900
and the Milwaukee Domes Alliance to support the revitalization of the Mitchell Park Domes.

992
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:36,980
This item has also been referred to the Committee on Finance.

993
01:28:38,380 --> 01:28:41,780
Mr. Terentino, if you like to start, I may introduce yourself again.

994
01:28:41,780 --> 01:28:47,200
Good morning, Mr. Chair and Supervisors, Jim Tarantino, Deputy Director for Milwaukee County Parks.

995
01:28:47,480 --> 01:28:51,920
I'm joined in the room today by representatives from the Milwaukee Domes Alliance.

996
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:55,920
We also have Corporation Council on the call.

997
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:01,540
A extensive amount of work has gone into flushing out the lease and development agreements

998
01:29:01,540 --> 01:29:03,860
to enable this project to happen.

999
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:07,040
What we're presenting to you today, what's included in this file,

1000
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:14,180
There is relatively little new information, this is a continuation of conversations that were

1001
01:29:14,180 --> 01:29:20,520
started in fall of 2024, implemented through a budget amendment in the 2025 budget, and

1002
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:26,400
then the file that we brought to you in the last cycle in July contained exactly the same

1003
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:29,780
high-level terms that are included in this file today.

1004
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,380
We just added a higher level of detail and specificity.

1005
01:29:33,380 --> 01:29:37,860
That's needed for a long-term agreements like this.

1006
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,000
I have a quick slide show.

1007
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:43,540
A lot of the information in this slide show is for the record,

1008
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:45,220
just to have this as part of the file.

1009
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:48,940
I'm not going to read all of the information contained within it,

1010
01:29:49,140 --> 01:29:51,180
but if something jumps out, feel free to stop me,

1011
01:29:51,180 --> 01:29:52,980
and I can go into greater detail.

1012
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,780
So we are seeking County Board approval of the lease

1013
01:29:55,780 --> 01:29:58,700
and the development agreement that will enable this project to occur.

1014
01:29:58,700 --> 01:29:59,960
This was one of the...

1015
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,400
contingencies of the approval for the county commitment, the financial commitment that was lent in the July cycle.

1016
01:30:07,180 --> 01:30:15,640
And one of the big high-level benefits and purposes of this project, not just to see the improvements of her and the investment happen.

1017
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:25,020
At the Mitchell Park domes, it is also to transfer the obligations the expenses off of the county's balance sheet to a third party.

1018
01:30:25,020 --> 01:30:31,920
And that really does, that really is consistent with the theme that we need to form and foster

1019
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:35,540
public-private partnerships to be able to sustain county park services.

1020
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:39,660
Here are some of the benefits of the Domesary Imagine Project, reducing the operating

1021
01:30:39,660 --> 01:30:44,200
expenses, all of the day-to-day obligations through the lease agreement, which shift from

1022
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:49,080
Milwaukee County to Milwaukee Domes Alliance, we're able to leverage private funding,

1023
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:57,100
The $30 million county investment nets an $84 million private investment to enable the $114 million

1024
01:30:57,940 --> 01:30:59,740
capital project to occur.

1025
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:06,340
The 25 budget amendment 06, the reason I'm bringing this up here is to point out that it

1026
01:31:06,340 --> 01:31:11,200
did specifically ask for the creation of a long-term lease to place at the time the

1027
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:15,380
friends of the domes now Milwaukee Domes Alliance in charge of the operations of the facility.

1028
01:31:16,020 --> 01:31:20,360
The structure of this deal is that the development agreement occurs first.

1029
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:25,880
There is a period of time between now and when the Milwaukee Domes Alliance closes on the first phase,

1030
01:31:26,180 --> 01:31:32,260
the most important part of that being raising the matching funds to enable the first phase to occur,

1031
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:34,220
where the development agreement would govern.

1032
01:31:34,460 --> 01:31:38,520
During that period of time, our existing operating agreement with Milwaukee Domes Alliance,

1033
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:43,440
or friends of the Domes continues to take precedent in terms of day-to-day operations,

1034
01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:47,480
But the development agreement would, in addition to governing the construction of the

1035
01:31:47,480 --> 01:31:52,940
improvements, how the rehabilitation of the historic structure would go, items like plan

1036
01:31:52,940 --> 01:31:56,960
approval, proof of financing, those details that go into any development agreement.

1037
01:31:57,460 --> 01:32:02,320
It also outlines the specific requirements of this transaction that are needed to move forward.

1038
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:08,360
And then when closing on the first phase occurs or just prior to it, the new lease agreement

1039
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:12,000
would be entered into and be the governing document.

1040
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:17,000
First, major detail of the development agreement it outlines the release of county funding

1041
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:21,200
that we've described in the July cycle when we presented the county commitment, meaning

1042
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:24,640
the matching funds that are required from the Milwaukee Domes Alliance.

1043
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:31,380
The timing and how that occurs, how that's funded in future capital budgets, as well as

1044
01:32:31,380 --> 01:32:36,420
describing the financial structure of the project from the development side of things.

1045
01:32:36,540 --> 01:32:40,780
Meaning the historic tax credits, the capital campaign, pledges and contributions,

1046
01:32:40,780 --> 01:32:49,700
how all of that is audited on our end, as well as the tax credit financing state, city, and other sources that go into the development.

1047
01:32:50,940 --> 01:33:01,420
This is the phasing of the project. One new piece of information is the outside date of completing, or should say, beginning each of these phases.

1048
01:33:01,420 --> 01:33:10,380
We anticipate the first phase being the show dome, the additional improvements to the lobby space and some of the shared mechanical systems in the facility

1049
01:33:10,380 --> 01:33:17,100
The estimated start date was spring twenty twenty seven, but we've established a no later than date of the end of twenty twenty eight

1050
01:33:17,100 --> 01:33:24,520
For that to occur that forty eight million dollar project includes twelve point nine million in county capital funding

1051
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:36,520
resulting in a $35 million match from the Milwaukee domes alliance and then the other phases would occur sequentially that the desert dome and the other improvements in phase one be would occur after

1052
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:48,980
completion of one A and we've established a no later than date on those two future phases as 2034, but we would estimate the start date happening in this sequential order here

1053
01:33:48,980 --> 01:33:54,460
Phase two is the construction of a new education event and visitor center space which I'll show in

1054
01:33:54,460 --> 01:33:59,420
the location of that that's generally the new facility that's being planned south of the existing

1055
01:33:59,420 --> 01:34:04,080
domes, which would occur after the completion of phases one A, B, and C.

1056
01:34:05,480 --> 01:34:10,680
This is the county commitment based on essentially a pro-ratabases of the cost of each phase.

1057
01:34:10,820 --> 01:34:15,540
So phase one A is 12.9 million, one B, 8.4, one C, 8.8.

1058
01:34:15,540 --> 01:34:21,420
We do have the county's goals for targeted business enterprise participation in the development

1059
01:34:21,420 --> 01:34:25,200
agreement of 25% for construction, 17 for professional services.

1060
01:34:26,300 --> 01:34:30,100
The development agreement outlines the phasing and the plan to review process, so Milwaukee

1061
01:34:30,100 --> 01:34:32,460
County will still review the plans.

1062
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:39,120
Even though it's substantially being built according to National Park Service standards to

1063
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:43,200
be able to get the historic tax credits, we are still involved with the plan to review

1064
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:49,960
process, it also outlines the reporting requirement to Milwaukee County based on the results

1065
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:56,280
of the capital campaign. This earlier slide from July showing how the county capital financing

1066
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:59,960
could flow to each one of the phases, resulting in that 30 million.

1067
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:25,560
Over six years. And here's the phases of this is a new image from since July that shows the phases that the phasing itself is entirely consistent, but the image is new, showing where phase 1 is, essentially, show dome, plus other improvements with the cafe, the little sprouts area, and lobby enhancements, phase 1, be being the desert dome, education center improvements, once seeing the tropical dome.

1068
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:51,440
Once all of that is complete and we have, the project is moved successfully through those first three phases, then we're contemplating beginning phase two, which is a future phase entirely separate from the development agreement that we have here other than the lease agreement which is included by reference, would allow for phase two to be constructed in the former sunken gardens area.

1069
01:35:52,380 --> 01:36:03,440
Just for the record this includes more of those details, this is also in attachments to the development agreement that lists all of the different specific improvements in each one of those phases and also phase two.

1070
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:13,780
The lease agreement, again the lease agreement wouldn't take effect until just prior to closing on the transaction.

1071
01:36:13,780 --> 01:36:21,800
So the development agreement governs along with the existing operating agreement until we hit all of those contingencies to start the construction of the project

1072
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:28,020
After which the long-term lease agreement a new long-term lease agreement would govern the operations of the domes and it would essentially

1073
01:36:28,020 --> 01:36:34,460
The basic structure is Milwaukee County retains ownership. It's still a public facility of the building and the grounds

1074
01:36:34,460 --> 01:36:42,620
But Milwaukee domes alliance assumes all day-to-day responsibilities of operating that facility for 99 years

1075
01:36:42,620 --> 01:36:57,040
This is the structure that is consistent with the message given to us by the board and all discussions that we've had along the way related to the county commitment, continuing to

1076
01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:01,880
Milwaukee County continuing to own the land, so it's still a public facility public access is guaranteed.

1077
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:04,040
Public purposes are established.

1078
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:10,240
We also have a few trailing agreements which we have to work through between now and closing one is the greenhouse lease.

1079
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:13,440
So the entire facility would be leased to the Milwaukee Domes Alliance.

1080
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:17,580
We know that we need to use the greenhouse space to continue to perform plant care.

1081
01:37:17,740 --> 01:37:19,980
It's also the base of operations for our horticulture division.

1082
01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:25,520
So we need to enter into another separate agreement where we lease back or operate the

1083
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:27,040
greenhouse as long-term.

1084
01:37:27,340 --> 01:37:33,160
Plant collection, this is just the uniqueness of this project that we have thousands of plants

1085
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:36,820
in that facility that would essentially be leased to the Milwaukee Domes Alliance.

1086
01:37:36,820 --> 01:37:39,880
so we need to work through a plant collection, lease agreement,

1087
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,500
Milwaukee Domes Alliance still responsible for all capital

1088
01:37:43,500 --> 01:37:45,720
and day-to-day maintenance of the facility.

1089
01:37:45,860 --> 01:37:49,540
We did also create a maintenance reserve fund of half a million dollars

1090
01:37:49,540 --> 01:37:54,440
and the term of this would, the terms of the transfer

1091
01:37:54,440 --> 01:37:57,340
of obligations would begin following construction

1092
01:37:57,340 --> 01:37:59,520
of the show dome phase of the project.

1093
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:02,500
Which is when all building maintenance and operations

1094
01:38:02,500 --> 01:38:04,160
transfers to MDA.

1095
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:10,900
I mentioned earlier the phase two lease would occur after completing one A, one B, and one C.

1096
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:18,580
All revenue, including pricing and missions control, shifts from Milwaukee County to Milwaukee Dome's Alliance,

1097
01:38:18,780 --> 01:38:25,660
and we have an annual report requirement to Milwaukee County with a county board requirement of once every five years.

1098
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:33,220
This would be the least premises. This is the footprint that was submitted and approved as part of part one of the National Register listing

1099
01:38:33,220 --> 01:38:44,360
of the historic site, which includes the circle drive, the parking lot, all of that is the least premises before phase two is considered.

1100
01:38:45,580 --> 01:38:55,060
And so that is, I am joined by Chris Spieldiefenbach and representatives from the Milwaukee Domes Alliance and the Alexander company who are here who can help answer any questions you have.

1101
01:38:55,060 --> 01:39:05,760
But again, just the the ask which is entirely consistent with, you know, the approval we got from the board in July was the lease and development agreement following that county commitment.

1102
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:10,420
Welcome.

1103
01:39:15,250 --> 01:39:15,550
Hello.

1104
01:39:15,730 --> 01:39:19,350
I'm Chris to be a different box CEO of Milwaukee Jones Alliance.

1105
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:24,530
I would like to thank the chairman and county supervisors for having us here today.

1106
01:39:25,230 --> 01:39:29,730
And then I'm Jonathan Beck, a development project manager with the Alexander company.

1107
01:39:30,170 --> 01:39:30,450
Thank you.

1108
01:39:32,150 --> 01:39:32,630
I

1109
01:39:34,900 --> 01:39:38,420
think we're just here to answer any questions if you want to open it up to committee members.

1110
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:42,740
We go right to the supervisor who is led the charge from day one.

1111
01:39:42,980 --> 01:39:44,200
Supervisor Martin has.

1112
01:39:44,260 --> 01:39:46,200
Thank you very much Chair Wasserman.

1113
01:39:46,380 --> 01:39:47,880
Thank you very much for the presentation.

1114
01:39:49,460 --> 01:39:49,560
Okay.

1115
01:39:49,860 --> 01:39:56,700
So I want to make sure here that we're going to be successful with this project.

1116
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:57,780
This much is possible.

1117
01:39:58,080 --> 01:39:59,960
And I think we all know.

1118
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:17,580
All that reporting is going to be paramount to that success, because what's going on is that we do have the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the contract agreement, we have the specific reports on.

1119
01:40:17,580 --> 01:40:23,620
The content is contribution on at each checkpoint, you know, each year and everything but the thing is that

1120
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:29,060
Have we been I don't know if I haven't seen it or anything, but

1121
01:40:29,060 --> 01:40:34,540
What like the expectations for the Milwaukee domes aligns to reach like their fundraising goals and everything?

1122
01:40:34,980 --> 01:40:37,920
I think it's important that we are able to

1123
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:42,800
Report that out in order like I say to for this project to be successful now

1124
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:46,000
There was a question that Sean Rowland wanted me to ask

1125
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:52,820
How often is the county board in the general public going to receive updates on the progress of the fundraising?

1126
01:40:54,340 --> 01:40:59,160
And why isn't that more explicitly delineated, delineated in the agreement?

1127
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:06,720
Mr. Chair, Supervisors, I can speak to it's in the agreement and I'm sure Chris can speak to her expectations,

1128
01:41:07,180 --> 01:41:12,940
but we do have a quarterly reporting requirement in the development agreement related to the project financing updates,

1129
01:41:12,940 --> 01:41:25,410
which is on the bottom of page 20, section 4, believe it's d2. Quarterly reporting requirements

1130
01:41:25,410 --> 01:41:32,870
to us and then we have pretty strong pledge auditing requirement before we actually reach

1131
01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:39,090
closing to go through the financial, the fundraising aspect of this project. So I think that

1132
01:41:39,090 --> 01:41:44,090
is hopefully pretty well spelled out there and then we have the annual reporting requirement back

1133
01:41:44,090 --> 01:41:50,170
county boards. Okay, so yeah, I mean, yeah, we we have the quarterly reporting and I think that's

1134
01:41:50,170 --> 01:41:56,990
an important but will are we just going to rely then on the quarterly reporting them for for that or we

1135
01:41:56,990 --> 01:42:07,340
going to be updated more are we going to be updated sooner than that. Chair and supervisors, I that is

1136
01:42:07,340 --> 01:42:13,400
what the agreement says. I think that that's a pretty substantial, you know, once every three months

1137
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:19,080
have that reporting requirement back to us we expect this to be a two or three year process before

1138
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:25,580
hitting that phase one a closing. So you know that's 12 to 18 check ends between now and then

1139
01:42:25,580 --> 01:42:31,800
I think that's that's what we propose and what we'd like to stick to. Great. I'm I'm I'm

1140
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:40,160
I'm fine with that you know I just want to make sure that we're as explicit as possible as we can

1141
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:47,020
so you know could to show. I want to follow up with that question that Supervisor Martinez says so this

1142
01:42:47,020 --> 01:42:54,640
will be a discussion in front of our for in front of my committee. So you will get quarterly reports to

1143
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:59,680
this committee not only to do the parks department but to our committee directly. Is that how it's written

1144
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:00,840
in the lease?

1145
01:43:04,910 --> 01:43:11,630
Is that your understanding Supervisor Martinez? Chair and Supervisors, I don't believe

1146
01:43:11,630 --> 01:43:16,230
that that would be our expectation that we would be providing a quarterly fundraising update

1147
01:43:16,230 --> 01:43:20,590
to this committee. That's more or less between our office and the office of the comptroller,

1148
01:43:21,650 --> 01:43:25,930
having that requirement that MDA shared their fundraising progress with the county,

1149
01:43:26,330 --> 01:43:32,470
but that's not necessarily a quarterly update on this agenda. What we anticipated was an annual update

1150
01:43:32,990 --> 01:43:38,330
and then once every five years after the project is completed, a county board update,

1151
01:43:39,450 --> 01:43:41,330
That's how it's outlined in the agreement.

1152
01:43:43,420 --> 01:43:43,900
Sure.

1153
01:43:44,580 --> 01:43:44,780
All right.

1154
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:45,300
Yeah.

1155
01:43:45,300 --> 01:43:46,600
So that's what I was asking about.

1156
01:43:46,700 --> 01:43:51,360
Then the fundraising goal and the fundraising benchmarks that we're going to be hit.

1157
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:53,680
That's going to be reported annually and not quarterly.

1158
01:43:57,740 --> 01:43:58,020
Okay.

1159
01:43:58,420 --> 01:43:59,360
I respond to that.

1160
01:44:00,700 --> 01:44:06,700
So of course, as you guys know, you know, we are committed to being transparent.

1161
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:11,980
And as transparent as we can be, the challenge is, of course, with a capital campaign.

1162
01:44:11,980 --> 01:44:19,740
that our fundraising council asks us to not be quite as transparent about exactly where we are,

1163
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:26,920
because it can be, it can impede donor motivation. So what ends up happening is if, you know,

1164
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:31,220
and I just met with actually a donor the other day who said, you know, he's really excited about the

1165
01:44:31,220 --> 01:44:37,160
possibility of kind of finishing out our campaign for that first phase, the showdom phase.

1166
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:42,280
And so, you know, it's asking me to keep him up to date on when they get close to the end.

1167
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:49,400
But, you know, there is donors are motivated by, you know, various aspects of a campaign.

1168
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:58,360
And so, for us to be required to publicly release that information, it could just impede our ability to be successful.

1169
01:44:58,660 --> 01:44:59,960
And I just want us...

1170
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:14,100
To ensure that we're protecting that safeguarding that to whatever degree possible. However, we are 100% committed to sharing that information with the county so that they have the information they need.

1171
01:45:15,340 --> 01:45:28,280
And to whatever degree we can, again, giving us the ability to run a fundraising campaign. I mean, that's really what we're asking for.

1172
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:33,840
And if we were to be in a situation where we were having to give you guys quarterly updates

1173
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:37,280
on exactly where we are, I think that would really restrict that.

1174
01:45:37,900 --> 01:45:42,260
So again, wanting full transparency, and I know with the chairman I've talked to you about

1175
01:45:42,260 --> 01:45:50,440
this, that 100% one-on-one conversations with supervisors giving you an update is just fine.

1176
01:45:50,440 --> 01:45:52,540
It's more about releasing it to the public.

1177
01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:59,580
And, you know, thank you, thank you for that information, it's just, you know, and

1178
01:45:59,580 --> 01:46:05,900
supervisor while I did bring up a good point, you know, it's a, if fundraising metrics

1179
01:46:05,900 --> 01:46:10,760
aren't being hit, we should be aware of it because, you know, we should be able to react

1180
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:17,780
to it, like, and be able to figure something out, if it's not, if we're not hitting the benchmarks

1181
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:24,920
you're not in the Vetchmark says like in the fundraising scheme. So yeah

1182
01:46:27,190 --> 01:46:29,290
that's that's

1183
01:46:29,290 --> 01:46:33,070
that's what I got right because like you know you know like I say I just wanted to be

1184
01:46:33,070 --> 01:46:38,130
I want to be able to tread this in a in a certain way where we are going to see it

1185
01:46:38,130 --> 01:46:45,970
through to the end and we're going to be able to really make it happen so thank you very much

1186
01:46:46,690 --> 01:46:49,230
Supervisor Martinez, we're going to go supervisor Taylor,

1187
01:46:49,410 --> 01:46:50,490
the supervisor of Connor.

1188
01:46:51,250 --> 01:46:51,930
So thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1189
01:46:51,930 --> 01:46:54,970
So this is exactly what we heard from the museum,

1190
01:46:55,470 --> 01:46:59,810
the public museum about not getting all this information out there.

1191
01:46:59,910 --> 01:47:03,070
It's going to hurt your fundraising and that.

1192
01:47:04,350 --> 01:47:09,310
But like $30 million in taxpayer dollars is what you're asking for.

1193
01:47:09,790 --> 01:47:14,510
And we had this debate at CIC and whether or not

1194
01:47:14,510 --> 01:47:22,530
to give you, you know, put 5 million towards the domes, not knowing where you're at and

1195
01:47:22,530 --> 01:47:27,670
having that money potentially just sit there while we have other projects mounting up behind

1196
01:47:27,670 --> 01:47:28,430
us.

1197
01:47:28,450 --> 01:47:29,610
We've heard about pools.

1198
01:47:29,810 --> 01:47:30,530
We're going to hear about it.

1199
01:47:30,530 --> 01:47:35,130
I mean, there's a just unlimited amount of projects that need to be done and it's I almost

1200
01:47:35,130 --> 01:47:41,690
feel like you're blindly asking us trust us, you know, put 5 million and then next you're

1201
01:47:41,690 --> 01:47:48,110
another five million, did you want to have one-on-one conversations? That's not very transparent.

1202
01:47:49,630 --> 01:47:53,650
Okay, so I don't, but at the same time I don't want it, I don't think we should do anything

1203
01:47:53,650 --> 01:48:02,390
try to harm the fundraising, but it doesn't feel very good to me. And I, you know,

1204
01:48:02,910 --> 01:48:09,030
would want to really know where you're at, you know, a year from now. Well, like years from now,

1205
01:48:09,030 --> 01:48:12,970
And that's why I think we had to go with this year,

1206
01:48:13,090 --> 01:48:15,610
kept the 5 million in, so the next year, we went up to do 10,

1207
01:48:16,170 --> 01:48:18,450
but we really do, we will need to know,

1208
01:48:19,450 --> 01:48:21,230
because I'm not going to blindly give a nerf 5,

1209
01:48:21,530 --> 01:48:24,210
at least in the first and the first.

1210
01:48:25,510 --> 01:48:29,170
I just don't, it's just from the optics of,

1211
01:48:29,190 --> 01:48:30,650
we're not going to share information,

1212
01:48:30,910 --> 01:48:32,770
but we'll talk to you one-on-one.

1213
01:48:34,980 --> 01:48:39,520
Well, what month are we planning to show,

1214
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:47,720
where we're at. So I think part of what we can do because we're breaking this project into

1215
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:55,080
these three discrete phases. And so the fundraising goal for the first phase that showed

1216
01:48:55,080 --> 01:49:02,140
them phase. So phase one A as deputy director had mentioned. So the fundraising goal for that

1217
01:49:02,140 --> 01:49:10,060
is, you know, 14 to 19 million, you know, it's, it's a combination of both private philanthropy

1218
01:49:10,060 --> 01:49:16,580
as well as some other public funding. And so what we're looking to do is that, you know,

1219
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:22,080
with our closing that we have for that phase, we have to have raised, like the condition

1220
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:27,160
as we have to have raised all of them, the rest of the funding for that almost 50 million

1221
01:49:27,660 --> 01:49:32,240
for us to be able to move forward for us to have that closing and to start construction.

1222
01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:38,840
So, you know, I would say a year from now, we're going to be have a very solid understanding of where we are,

1223
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:45,560
and we can talk about the where we are toward that phase without sharing the full amount,

1224
01:49:45,780 --> 01:49:49,900
so we have a goal of 35 million dollars for the entire project,

1225
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:53,620
but we don't have to talk about that piece of it at that moment in time,

1226
01:49:53,620 --> 01:49:59,960
because it's really because we're having these discrete phases, we can look out where we are with that showdom thing.

1227
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:01,720
Does that make sense?

1228
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:05,940
Mr. Chair and Supervisors, can I just add it?

1229
01:50:06,180 --> 01:50:15,580
I think we're trying to balance public transparency with what a public-private partnership actually looks like, in effect, which is,

1230
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:24,920
having a private fundraising phase of a capital project that we're not used to.

1231
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:28,380
and otherwise are entirely based on, you know, being a public sector entity.

1232
01:50:28,780 --> 01:50:34,720
We are partnering to create this quasi-public, non-profit entity to operate the domes.

1233
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:42,540
So what the balance between public transparency and the success of the fundraising project

1234
01:50:42,540 --> 01:50:45,780
is probably somewhere in the middle than what we're used to.

1235
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:50,760
I will just point out a couple of things that the county's investment is protected because

1236
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:52,740
these are reimbursable expenses.

1237
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:56,020
So no county funding is actually released to the project

1238
01:50:56,020 --> 01:50:58,260
until all of the contingencies are met.

1239
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:00,520
Once the project actually occurs,

1240
01:51:01,120 --> 01:51:02,660
what we're trying to do between now and then

1241
01:51:02,660 --> 01:51:04,480
is set money aside in the capital budget.

1242
01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:07,960
So that's there to be reimbursed against.

1243
01:51:08,580 --> 01:51:11,100
But I think if I can interpret having

1244
01:51:11,100 --> 01:51:13,860
set gone through CIC this past August,

1245
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:17,840
there just is such a lack of capital resources

1246
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:23,940
in every budget that projects don't get done while we set that money aside, and so if I'm

1247
01:51:23,940 --> 01:51:28,320
in your seat, I'd want to know that it's all worth it, that setting the money aside is going

1248
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:34,600
to actually add up to a successful project. So to that end, we as a department can, we know the

1249
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:39,340
timeline, we know that by July, everybody needs to have their capital budgets in and we need to

1250
01:51:39,340 --> 01:51:45,300
know in July of 26 and every year thereafter, maybe even June, but this project is on track.

1251
01:51:45,300 --> 01:51:50,400
So that's a level of reporting that we as a public entity as a department of the county

1252
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:52,400
can certainly commit to providing that.

1253
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:58,060
That's just different than sharing the individual pledge reporting on the fundraising side

1254
01:51:58,060 --> 01:52:02,760
of the project, which will be coming to us in the Controllers Office anyway, if that helps

1255
01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:05,480
to meet in the middle of, yep.

1256
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:16,960
Well, I think ideally we would want to get an update before CIC meets in August next year.

1257
01:52:17,140 --> 01:52:26,160
I mean like in July if that's possible, July next year for that updating into if that's possible.

1258
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:27,180
Yeah, it's possible.

1259
01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:31,560
I June of every year will provide a status report.

1260
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:35,420
I'd also like to make a motion to approve.

1261
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:36,060
All right.

1262
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:37,020
The motion is made.

1263
01:52:41,380 --> 01:52:42,760
Anybody else would like to talk?

1264
01:52:43,440 --> 01:52:44,000
Supervisor.

1265
01:52:44,420 --> 01:52:45,300
Oh, I'm sorry.

1266
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:45,840
Supervisor.

1267
01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:46,480
Kind of arpages.

1268
01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:48,280
Thank you, Chair.

1269
01:52:49,460 --> 01:52:51,620
And thanks to my colleague who raised the question about

1270
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:57,240
the consistency with what's happening at Milwaukee Public Museum.

1271
01:52:57,660 --> 01:53:02,920
I think as this committee in particular is facing the

1272
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:08,780
accessioning of a lot of our cultural institutions, we're going to be faced with this reporting

1273
01:53:08,780 --> 01:53:15,560
issue again and again. So I do appreciate the delicacy of, because I have worked in

1274
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:21,180
capital fundraising campaigns before, and as Deputy Director, Terent, you know, pointed out

1275
01:53:21,180 --> 01:53:28,560
this is a bit of a hybrid situation with these public private partnerships. So I think, you know,

1276
01:53:28,620 --> 01:53:32,540
we as a committee are trying to do our due diligence around the transparency that's required

1277
01:53:32,540 --> 01:53:42,440
by a governmental agency, but also respecting the, you know, sort of industry standards

1278
01:53:42,440 --> 01:53:44,660
of public or private fundraising.

1279
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:54,260
So I appreciate that we will be getting annual information, especially prior to important

1280
01:53:54,260 --> 01:53:57,660
decision-making with our capital improvements budget.

1281
01:53:57,780 --> 01:54:01,800
So I think what is most important is that

1282
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:07,660
They're appointing aligns with our budgeting and decision-making timing, so thank you.

1283
01:54:10,130 --> 01:54:11,110
Other members,

1284
01:54:14,730 --> 01:54:19,670
I share some of the concerns that transparency issues are being brought up,

1285
01:54:19,670 --> 01:54:25,030
and I think of all days to bring it up. The people behind you are looking at me and certain

1286
01:54:25,030 --> 01:54:29,050
there are three people who are really looking at me more than others besides yourselves in the front

1287
01:54:30,590 --> 01:54:33,270
I'm going to point out the three organizations.

1288
01:54:34,350 --> 01:54:36,070
There is the Milwaukee Public Museum.

1289
01:54:37,250 --> 01:54:38,470
There's the Charles Alice.

1290
01:54:39,230 --> 01:54:42,010
And there's the Villa Terrace Museums.

1291
01:54:42,050 --> 01:54:45,830
I'm listening to every word you said very carefully in this entire conversation.

1292
01:54:46,270 --> 01:54:47,950
And they're listening to it for several reasons.

1293
01:54:48,590 --> 01:54:52,090
Each one of them is facing the same question that you're faced right now.

1294
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:59,730
And I don't, I think one thing that I think this committee really believes in is equity.

1295
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:07,600
Any quality and we don't want to have different standards for different groups that are requesting money, really in very similar situations.

1296
01:55:08,460 --> 01:55:13,780
I think a one-to-year reporting is too little, point blank too little.

1297
01:55:14,420 --> 01:55:22,100
This quarterly may be too much, maybe it is, so a moderation may be six months, but I think we need to know information.

1298
01:55:22,100 --> 01:55:26,140
And I think the general public is definitely interested.

1299
01:55:26,660 --> 01:55:30,900
Each of the other three groups that are behind you right now are faced with question after

1300
01:55:30,900 --> 01:55:31,300
question.

1301
01:55:31,880 --> 01:55:33,000
Some more than others.

1302
01:55:33,540 --> 01:55:40,020
One of them I received a stack of postcards and documents and this person is going to

1303
01:55:40,020 --> 01:55:44,600
have to kind of respond because there are questions about transparency, but transparency will

1304
01:55:44,600 --> 01:55:47,100
be something that we really require.

1305
01:55:48,160 --> 01:55:52,860
I appreciate talking to me, I appreciate talking to my other committee members, but public

1306
01:55:52,860 --> 01:55:58,220
transparency is something essential, but once a year is just not enough, so it might

1307
01:55:58,220 --> 01:56:02,580
be in the report once a year, but we need to have more information than just once a year

1308
01:56:02,580 --> 01:56:03,220
basis.

1309
01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:10,900
Especially what makes years even different than the three people behind you is that

1310
01:56:10,900 --> 01:56:16,300
you're talking about years in development, and that brings up my next question as well.

1311
01:56:16,300 --> 01:56:26,300
I didn't see a specific time chart, but phase one A and one B and one C, what were the years that these are supposed to be started by?

1312
01:56:27,620 --> 01:56:30,320
Mr. Tarantino, you were going over those things?

1313
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:43,880
Yes, phase one A and Tarantino, the S made it start date was spring of 27, but we have in the agreement it occurring no later than the end of 28.

1314
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:49,600
Okay, and then sequentially it'd be one year or two years

1315
01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:52,180
a second periods of time after that for each phase.

1316
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:57,340
So we pushed phase one B and one C to start no later than 2034,

1317
01:56:57,900 --> 01:57:00,100
baking in some flexibility on that.

1318
01:57:00,900 --> 01:57:04,640
The completion of the first phase being potentially the most complex.

1319
01:57:06,060 --> 01:57:09,640
So one A, spring 27, no later than 28,

1320
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:15,600
one B29, no later than 2034, same with one C, no later than 2034.

1321
01:57:17,060 --> 01:57:20,480
And if that number is breached, what happens?

1322
01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:28,680
We have a process describing the development agreement on assessing where the project is at and deciding if it can be,

1323
01:57:28,920 --> 01:57:34,440
if those timelines can be extended or not, but Milwaukee County owned certain rights to decide, you know,

1324
01:57:34,440 --> 01:57:46,120
We're not going to lend indefinite extensions to what we need to understand where the is the short coming on the fundraising side is it on a complexity with the plan review or something like that.

1325
01:57:46,280 --> 01:57:54,320
So we have the ability to adjust that date, but not indefinitely who's the granger of those extensions I

1326
01:58:00,500 --> 01:58:05,480
want to be able to go through the agreements and look at these answers and

1327
01:58:14,760 --> 01:58:19,880
if corporation councils on the line who's I'm sure they've kind of

1328
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:26,880
I don't want to put Mr. Tarantino in spite of the corporation council if you could jump in there. We'd appreciate it.

1329
01:58:27,420 --> 01:58:31,360
Good afternoon. Chairperson members of the committee.

1330
01:58:32,540 --> 01:58:34,740
Thank you William Davidson Deputy Corporation Council.

1331
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:43,100
I'm joined also with Attorney Rebecca Midditch. She is in attorney with Hush Blackwell with whom we partner to draft much of the agreement.

1332
01:58:43,860 --> 01:59:04,900
One thing I can say for certain is that MDA is well aware, as it was part of many of our discussions, it is baked into both of the agreements, the development and the lease agreement, that any funding commitment on the county side is subject to continuing appropriations by this board by this committee.

1333
01:59:04,900 --> 01:59:23,380
And so if at any time the board and the county generally did not feel that the project was making the progress consistent with the agreement, that would be one lever that the board could certainly pull to redirect funding going forward.

1334
01:59:24,120 --> 01:59:30,960
But we were very clear that it is that continued appropriation authority that drives really everything in this project.

1335
01:59:33,710 --> 01:59:40,970
So are you saying specifically the board would be the grantor of the extensions if there's questions?

1336
01:59:41,770 --> 01:59:44,630
If there's problems with dates that are breached?

1337
01:59:46,710 --> 01:59:49,850
Sure person, it is not baked into the agreement in that way.

1338
01:59:50,550 --> 01:59:59,210
What I'm saying is that the board certainly has the ultimate authority to slow or stop the project all together based upon your appropriating authority.

1339
02:00:00,240 --> 02:00:15,180
Would the, if the, let's say the parks department is granting the extension with the parks department have to extend knowledge of that extension, the grant to the parks committee or to the board.

1340
02:00:16,060 --> 02:00:24,360
I believe that would be a substantial modification to the agreements, I think that that would require additional board approval. Yes.

1341
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:31,240
But it's not specifically written in the language that you and Hushwell Blackwell has come up with.

1342
02:00:31,820 --> 02:00:39,440
It is not, I believe it is left to Milwaukee County, generally speaking, which, of course, includes the parks,

1343
02:00:39,540 --> 02:00:42,360
making the recommendation to the spotty and the spotty than approving.

1344
02:00:44,530 --> 02:00:45,150
All right.

1345
02:00:48,210 --> 02:00:48,690
Thank you.

1346
02:00:49,410 --> 02:00:50,130
Supervisor Taylor?

1347
02:00:50,470 --> 02:00:52,270
Well, now it would be the time to get this right.

1348
02:00:52,550 --> 02:00:55,830
We're going into an agreement that we're going to spend 30 million dollars.

1349
02:00:56,270 --> 02:01:25,810
I think if there's questions in, you know, we need to get the answers, like black and white, not any gray area, you know, I'm thinking about some of the chairman said before, you know, this was, I mean, the dome is everybody knows the domes, everybody, and we, and you guys put on the heat, we got all these emails from the people say, and save the dome, save the dome, save the dome, all very public, very public, save the dome, save the dome, save the dome, and now it's like, well, the transparency is almost back to awful.

1350
02:01:25,830 --> 02:01:30,790
little bit on the fun raising. I still have that problem. I'm not asking about who's given the money.

1351
02:01:30,830 --> 02:01:34,650
I want to know how much is there. It's not about the who. It's about the how much.

1352
02:01:35,510 --> 02:01:42,250
And if there's extensions, that should come to this body because I could tell you that if for some

1353
02:01:42,250 --> 02:01:49,130
reason, there are issues and you have this is five years down the road and now there is the thought

1354
02:01:49,130 --> 02:01:53,390
of holding off on another $5 million dollars. Why would you not turn up the heat again? Why would you

1355
02:01:53,390 --> 02:01:59,490
have people, please email us all saying, give us the money, give us the, of course you would.

1356
02:02:00,250 --> 02:02:05,570
Of course you would. So it's like you're picking and choosing when you want to go public

1357
02:02:05,570 --> 02:02:10,950
and what you want to keep from the public. And that's how I look at it. But at the same time,

1358
02:02:10,970 --> 02:02:15,670
I think the board's will is that we do want this project to move forward. We are strongly

1359
02:02:15,670 --> 02:02:25,450
support of this but and we trust you Krista and you know that you're going to make this

1360
02:02:25,450 --> 02:02:31,570
happen and our corporation council and the legal agreement says it's a huge project but the

1361
02:02:31,570 --> 02:02:37,030
issue of transparency on fundraiser when it comes to money people want to know where it's going

1362
02:02:37,030 --> 02:02:43,990
how it's being spent how it's being raised but in the same time we and if I didn't say this before

1363
02:02:43,990 --> 02:02:45,870
We want you to be successful.

1364
02:02:46,730 --> 02:02:52,210
We understand, we've worked with Dr. Zelensky, we've worked with the other two museums.

1365
02:02:52,570 --> 02:02:57,190
We want everyone to be successful in fundraising and fundraising is not the expertise of this board.

1366
02:02:57,210 --> 02:03:02,490
Maybe supervisor or counter has a level that we don't have because what she's done previously.

1367
02:03:03,370 --> 02:03:07,590
We want you to be successful, but there is a community interest that needs to be addressed.

1368
02:03:07,590 --> 02:03:19,610
And so, that's, that's I think we're at, so, and it would be nice to have in the least a specific part of it that says that, you know, substantial changes,

1369
02:03:20,750 --> 02:03:25,890
the of, you know, breaching of dates is reportable to the county board.

1370
02:03:26,930 --> 02:03:34,730
I think language like that, and at least would be very helpful. I don't see a downside for anybody involved in a very general fashion.

1371
02:03:34,730 --> 02:03:38,930
Do you have any, do you have any quality with that or concerns?

1372
02:03:40,150 --> 02:03:44,190
No, I do not. And if you don't mind, I would like to just, please,

1373
02:03:44,330 --> 02:03:45,430
respond to Supervisor Taylor.

1374
02:03:46,050 --> 02:03:49,450
I will say that one of the things we committed to from the very beginning is that we

1375
02:03:49,450 --> 02:03:52,030
would not come back and ask for additional funding.

1376
02:03:52,950 --> 02:03:56,470
And that is, we're 100% still committed to that.

1377
02:03:56,850 --> 02:04:01,730
So I understand that that has not always happened when it comes to the Board of

1378
02:04:01,730 --> 02:04:06,010
and that you, you know, face some challenges in the past with that.

1379
02:04:06,590 --> 02:04:10,010
But certainly, that is still 100% our expectation.

1380
02:04:10,770 --> 02:04:13,410
And I would not have any issue with having, you know,

1381
02:04:13,810 --> 02:04:16,970
that is more a, I think, deputy director,

1382
02:04:17,330 --> 02:04:21,330
Tantino's response would be valuable, but, you know, for me,

1383
02:04:21,330 --> 02:04:24,450
I have no issue with that coming back to the committee

1384
02:04:24,450 --> 02:04:27,010
and the Board of Supervisors for Review and Approval.

1385
02:04:28,750 --> 02:04:36,010
I think we're committing to at least annual reporting back on all aspects of this project,

1386
02:04:36,270 --> 02:04:42,090
which would include any potential timeline changes, as well as the fundraising updates.

1387
02:04:43,250 --> 02:04:45,290
So that is totally fine.

1388
02:04:45,410 --> 02:04:50,690
The way that the actual structure of the development agreement is, is that as Corp Council

1389
02:04:50,690 --> 02:04:54,730
David's in pointed out, is that the county ultimately has holds a purse strings on future

1390
02:04:54,730 --> 02:04:55,570
capital investments.

1391
02:04:55,570 --> 02:04:59,950
And so, if there's any aberration, any sign of this project is not...

1392
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:08,400
On track, that would be part of the discussion at that time. But ultimately, we want us to, as you said, we want

1393
02:05:08,400 --> 02:05:14,180
to see this first phase be successful. And the way that it's structured with timeline changes is the second

1394
02:05:14,180 --> 02:05:20,040
phase and the third phase cannot begin, cannot until phase one, a, is complete, one, b, is completely

1395
02:05:20,040 --> 02:05:26,740
because we're trying to, in reverse, incentivize the, the systematic completion of each one of

1396
02:05:26,740 --> 02:05:32,060
these phases, and having that financial oversight of each one, which is not just our department,

1397
02:05:32,260 --> 02:05:34,720
it's also the office of the controller and others at the county.

1398
02:05:36,120 --> 02:05:41,680
Corporation Council, is there any way at this point that we could have in the least-screen,

1399
02:05:41,880 --> 02:05:49,940
a modification with two points being given a specific passage stating that if breaches

1400
02:05:49,940 --> 02:05:57,460
occurred any granting of the extension would be brought to the committee or to the board.

1401
02:05:58,060 --> 02:06:04,520
And a second phase, a second, at least, change would be that the first lease agreement

1402
02:06:04,520 --> 02:06:10,540
informational report would be done in one year, but subsequent ones would be done in a semi-annual

1403
02:06:10,540 --> 02:06:12,280
basis of every six months.

1404
02:06:14,280 --> 02:06:20,200
Could we have that added to the lease and would parties be interested in agreeing with that?

1405
02:06:20,680 --> 02:06:26,020
I don't mean to put you out of spot, but is there any really concerns with something like that in the lease?

1406
02:06:26,460 --> 02:06:27,200
No concerns here.

1407
02:06:28,100 --> 02:06:31,540
And I would say chairperson, none from my perspective either.

1408
02:06:31,900 --> 02:06:37,060
I do think that because any of these changes that we're discussing would be material,

1409
02:06:37,780 --> 02:06:39,220
we would be coming to the board anyway.

1410
02:06:39,220 --> 02:06:46,320
So, just memorializing that I think would be perfectly acceptable and MDA has already now indicated they would agree.

1411
02:06:51,470 --> 02:06:58,470
I think the personal basis, I think my district and I think on behalf of this parks committee,

1412
02:06:58,590 --> 02:07:01,430
I think it would be much more acceptable to the general public.

1413
02:07:01,470 --> 02:07:03,370
Supervisor Martinez, this is your district.

1414
02:07:04,370 --> 02:07:04,970
What are your thoughts?

1415
02:07:05,730 --> 02:07:06,710
That sounds good to me.

1416
02:07:07,410 --> 02:07:10,970
If you're all willing to go with that, then I'm willing to go with it as well.

1417
02:07:10,970 --> 02:07:15,970
I think a supervisor, kind of, you've had fundraising experience, any concerns from your perspective?

1418
02:07:17,150 --> 02:07:35,570
Well, I guess I was just sort of wondering if we should at a future Parks Committee have something on the agenda, a presentation by a fundraising professional who can speak to their best practices that might also help put our minds at ease as to what is typically done in these circumstances.

1419
02:07:35,570 --> 02:07:44,450
And if there are any examples of working with government as well outside of Milwaukee County maybe they can provide us some examples.

1420
02:07:45,390 --> 02:07:57,790
So we can find what's happening in other places too because of the sort of dual reporting protocols of government and private fundraising.

1421
02:07:57,970 --> 02:08:01,050
I think that's great idea. I think we should put that in the agenda in a future meeting.

1422
02:08:01,690 --> 02:08:09,750
I think for one quick question before I ask for before we go for approval, signage naming rights.

1423
02:08:10,310 --> 02:08:12,330
What does the least say about naming rights?

1424
02:08:15,820 --> 02:08:24,840
Chair and supervisors, MDA has the right to sell naming rights to portions of the property as part of the fundraising of this project with county's consent.

1425
02:08:25,740 --> 02:08:31,680
And that's a portion, and if there's a naming right for the entire domes, could they change the

1426
02:08:31,680 --> 02:08:35,400
for Mitchell domes to blank blank domes?

1427
02:08:38,510 --> 02:08:40,510
Well, F naming rights.

1428
02:08:42,250 --> 02:08:46,070
So, this is on page 10 of the lease agreement.

1429
02:08:47,170 --> 02:08:49,030
Corporation call, so you can jump in there too.

1430
02:08:49,690 --> 02:08:50,950
Chairperson, thank you.

1431
02:08:51,610 --> 02:08:56,650
So yes, Deputy Director Tarantino is identified on page 10, where we discuss naming rights.

1432
02:08:56,650 --> 02:09:03,330
I can tell this body that this was a discussion that the parties had a couple of occasions

1433
02:09:03,330 --> 02:09:10,810
and for renaming potentially the entire dome facility, that is kind of treated differently

1434
02:09:10,810 --> 02:09:18,150
than renaming perhaps the entrance hallway or the the Ancillary room. And we did that specifically

1435
02:09:18,150 --> 02:09:24,810
because the parties recognized that that is a very significant consideration that the county would

1436
02:09:24,810 --> 02:09:32,250
have great interest in, I can tell you that any of these naming rights being proposed by MDA

1437
02:09:32,250 --> 02:09:38,490
potentially in the future and none have been so far would be subject to the county's reasonable

1438
02:09:38,490 --> 02:09:45,510
rejection of the proposals. So we have the ability to push back if we, you know, one of the

1439
02:09:45,510 --> 02:09:50,670
examples we've talked about is we won't be renaming anything the Walkishot County Mitchell Park

1440
02:09:50,670 --> 02:09:56,910
So, for example, we would be able to reasonably reject something to that effect if it were proposed.

1441
02:09:58,370 --> 02:09:59,970
So, we have the right to read.

1442
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:07,500
Jack, full naming rights of the whole institution, and for parts of the parts of the building itself.

1443
02:10:07,620 --> 02:10:08,720
Correct. Yes.

1444
02:10:09,080 --> 02:10:13,540
Okay. And the notice period is a significant difference. I believe that 60 days versus 30 days,

1445
02:10:14,180 --> 02:10:19,020
that MDA is required to provide written notice for the county to consider whether to accept

1446
02:10:19,020 --> 02:10:21,200
or reject the proposed naming rights.

1447
02:10:21,800 --> 02:10:25,880
For 30 days, 60 days would be for small one or 30 days first.

1448
02:10:26,920 --> 02:10:32,720
Correct, 30 days for a smaller piece and 60 days for the whole property.

1449
02:10:33,240 --> 02:10:39,500
All right, so if somebody on behalf of Supervisor Martinez wanted to name the domes,

1450
02:10:39,920 --> 02:10:46,560
the Juan Miguel Martinez domes and wanted to commit $10 million. We have 60 days to review that

1451
02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:53,200
correct? I suspect that we would not reasonably reject that. I suspect that would be the will of the body.

1452
02:10:58,280 --> 02:11:01,160
Here's what I'd like to propose at this time.

1453
02:11:01,360 --> 02:11:11,580
We have a motion to approve this agreement, but I think in terms of legislation, could we have this least be brought up as a substitute amendment?

1454
02:11:13,160 --> 02:11:17,260
We'll use the current vehicle as a, we'll move to approve this current vehicle.

1455
02:11:17,260 --> 02:11:27,290
have a substitute lease agreement come up before the full county board and substitute that it will be a substitute amendment with the two lease changes in it.

1456
02:11:28,760 --> 02:11:33,920
And that could be written up. The lease changes would be one year fundraising a month announcement.

1457
02:11:34,340 --> 02:11:39,480
One year fundraising reporting to our board and then the subsequent years would be semi-annual.

1458
02:11:41,960 --> 02:11:45,600
And the second part was what was the second part I just brought about earlier.

1459
02:11:47,860 --> 02:11:48,900
It's chairperson.

1460
02:11:49,180 --> 02:11:49,680
Excited.

1461
02:11:50,080 --> 02:11:50,800
Excited thank you.

1462
02:11:51,820 --> 02:11:52,160
Excited.

1463
02:11:52,360 --> 02:11:54,040
Didn't have the chance to write that down.

1464
02:11:54,920 --> 02:11:58,580
Chairperson, and if I could just clarify, I believe there was some discussion

1465
02:11:58,580 --> 02:12:02,500
about one year from now potentially providing an update to this body.

1466
02:12:02,920 --> 02:12:07,480
There was also a discussion earlier of as soon as June or July of next year kind of

1467
02:12:07,480 --> 02:12:10,700
advance of click committee meetings and that sort of thing.

1468
02:12:11,220 --> 02:12:12,660
Does the body have a preference?

1469
02:12:14,240 --> 02:12:15,580
It has to be before that.

1470
02:12:15,580 --> 02:12:20,760
one year mark, it has to be before CIC, yes, so be before August.

1471
02:12:23,380 --> 02:12:24,260
Thank you.

1472
02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:25,680
Okay, we have those two changes.

1473
02:12:26,620 --> 02:12:29,600
I think you guys need them, so you guys can do the planning.

1474
02:12:30,520 --> 02:12:32,220
Yeah, so everybody's on board.

1475
02:12:32,680 --> 02:12:34,140
All right, oh, super, it's okay.

1476
02:12:35,360 --> 02:12:38,280
Oh, yeah, my question is, if we, if we do that,

1477
02:12:38,440 --> 02:12:42,980
is that going to delay any of your processes or deadlines?

1478
02:12:43,140 --> 02:12:43,960
Oh, should I?

1479
02:12:47,800 --> 02:12:54,420
I, I'm checking with Alex and her company, nothing from on your side. No, I think it's, it's just fine.

1480
02:12:55,820 --> 02:13:02,140
I think thank you for asking. Yeah, I think the key things supervisor counters using this is a vehicle so we don't do any delay at all.

1481
02:13:02,600 --> 02:13:07,300
And when we pass it, we'll have everything done in the same timeline that it was before us today.

1482
02:13:08,260 --> 02:13:11,140
Supervisor at but your hand up.

1483
02:13:11,200 --> 02:13:15,820
Thank you very much. Mr. Chair, thanks for watching the committee and thanks for this presentation.

1484
02:13:15,820 --> 02:13:20,560
And we obviously all want the domes to be totally successful in the entirety of this project.

1485
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:29,300
But I think another reason to report more frequently is that the phase approach and one of the great things about how this deal was constructed,

1486
02:13:30,060 --> 02:13:37,000
is that if at any point it makes sense for us to change our commitment and just go with phase one or phase one be,

1487
02:13:37,680 --> 02:13:40,940
we can only make that decision with the adequate information.

1488
02:13:41,180 --> 02:13:42,880
So that's all I would add. Thank you very much.

1489
02:13:44,500 --> 02:13:47,400
Thank you very much, Supervisor Arcline. Any further comments?

1490
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:51,880
Discussions? All right, I think we're at the point of taking a vote.

1491
02:13:52,140 --> 02:13:54,440
Another vote on the domes, but really moving the thing forward.

1492
02:13:55,600 --> 02:13:56,200
Miss Evans.

1493
02:13:58,520 --> 02:14:00,280
On the motion by Supervisor Martinez,

1494
02:14:00,860 --> 02:14:03,060
that item number six, be recommended for adoption,

1495
02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:05,000
Supervisor Taylor District 17.

1496
02:14:06,180 --> 02:14:07,040
Cogs Jones.

1497
02:14:11,120 --> 02:14:12,420
If you could repeat that,

1498
02:14:12,420 --> 02:14:15,180
Supervisor Cogs Jones, we didn't hear you.

1499
02:14:16,650 --> 02:14:16,790
move.

1500
02:14:19,890 --> 02:14:20,190
Got it.

1501
02:14:20,190 --> 02:14:20,850
Thank you.

1502
02:14:20,990 --> 02:14:21,330
Martinez.

1503
02:14:23,130 --> 02:14:23,890
Ed Blad.

1504
02:14:24,710 --> 02:14:24,850
Hi.

1505
02:14:25,370 --> 02:14:25,890
O'Connor.

1506
02:14:26,630 --> 02:14:26,850
Hi.

1507
02:14:27,370 --> 02:14:27,810
Mr. Chairman.

1508
02:14:28,770 --> 02:14:29,270
Six eyes.

1509
02:14:29,350 --> 02:14:30,730
Zero knows the motion prevails.

1510
02:14:31,250 --> 02:14:31,510
All right.

1511
02:14:31,770 --> 02:14:31,990
Congratulations.

1512
02:14:32,830 --> 02:14:33,650
Thank you very much.

1513
02:14:34,370 --> 02:14:34,370
All

1514
02:14:36,610 --> 02:14:36,690
right.

1515
02:14:36,990 --> 02:14:48,670
Since the time of 11, 18s gone on and we're two hours and 18 minutes have gone past, I think we should take a, let's just take a five minute quick break, get up and hopefully we can start going.

1516
02:14:48,670 --> 02:14:55,670
And everybody's here, and I know everybody wants to move forward, but let's get together, I do love in 25, we'll call the meeting in the session again.

1517
02:14:57,890 --> 02:14:59,950
All right, plus everybody can eat.

1518
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:02,180
It's some of the superiors you can eat.

1519
02:15:33,020 --> 02:15:44,730
All right, so dates is all for the last thing here, all right, so chat, ballman,

1520
02:15:45,530 --> 02:15:48,910
our two communities, item number seven, so we are very quick.

1521
02:15:56,380 --> 02:15:57,660
Oh, just real quickly.

1522
02:15:57,660 --> 02:15:57,660
I

1523
02:16:10,080 --> 02:16:12,880
don't know if I can do it.

1524
02:16:13,220 --> 02:16:14,860
I didn't know where you came from.

1525
02:16:15,080 --> 02:16:16,220
Well, the jolly can see it.

1526
02:16:16,400 --> 02:16:17,200
I just want to know where you're going.

1527
02:16:17,440 --> 02:16:19,080
I just want to see it.

1528
02:16:19,140 --> 02:16:19,200
Yeah.

1529
02:16:19,200 --> 02:16:20,220
I want to touch the end.

1530
02:16:20,360 --> 02:16:20,700
I can't do it.

1531
02:16:20,880 --> 02:16:21,660
I can't do it.

1532
02:16:22,080 --> 02:16:22,980
Because it's not enough.

1533
02:16:23,440 --> 02:16:24,300
Because he is.

1534
02:16:24,900 --> 02:16:27,200
I think it's one size, this ball.

1535
02:16:27,540 --> 02:16:27,740
Thank you.

1536
02:16:27,740 --> 02:16:27,980
Yeah.

1537
02:16:29,240 --> 02:16:30,380
I think it should go down.

1538
02:16:30,800 --> 02:16:31,360
I think it should go down.

1539
02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:31,700
Can I do it?

1540
02:16:31,700 --> 02:16:33,140
Can I do it for you?

1541
02:16:33,140 --> 02:16:33,920
No, it's different.

1542
02:16:34,220 --> 02:16:35,000
I'm just just one.

1543
02:16:35,220 --> 02:16:36,060
I think it should go down.

1544
02:16:36,320 --> 02:16:37,140
The reaction time.

1545
02:16:38,280 --> 02:16:39,320
Yeah, but that means.

1546
02:16:51,360 --> 02:16:52,040
The

1547
02:17:55,200 --> 02:18:00,200
Parks and Culture Committee is now back from recess for sort of businesses to call

1548
02:18:00,200 --> 02:18:00,620
the role.

1549
02:18:00,660 --> 02:18:01,920
Make sure we have a quorum.

1550
02:18:02,420 --> 02:18:02,840
Miss Evans.

1551
02:18:06,180 --> 02:18:08,160
Supervisors Taylor District 17.

1552
02:18:08,800 --> 02:18:08,860
Here.

1553
02:18:11,190 --> 02:18:11,530
Martin.

1554
02:18:12,730 --> 02:18:13,410
Excused.

1555
02:18:15,620 --> 02:18:16,300
Cogs Jones.

1556
02:18:19,180 --> 02:18:22,940
My Tinas, Eplat,

1557
02:18:25,770 --> 02:18:33,210
O'Connor, Mr. Chairman, there are six members present to appearing virtually

1558
02:18:33,210 --> 02:18:34,350
we have a quorum.

1559
02:18:34,750 --> 02:18:35,490
All right.

1560
02:18:35,590 --> 02:18:38,810
If you could have announced item number seven.

1561
02:18:44,140 --> 02:18:48,760
Item seven from the Executive Director of Milwaukee County Parks, requesting approval of

1562
02:18:48,760 --> 02:18:51,500
twenty twenty five fund for the arts camp pack

1563
02:18:51,500 --> 02:18:55,060
allocations was to fair and clear

1564
02:18:55,060 --> 02:18:58,740
low-chair supervisors Jim Tarantino deputy director from the mill walk

1565
02:18:58,740 --> 02:18:59,680
e-county parks

1566
02:18:59,680 --> 02:19:04,540
uh... what's before you is uh... approval of the slate of grants to be awarded

1567
02:19:04,540 --> 02:19:08,120
from the fund for the arts on it just start by giving a little bit of history

1568
02:19:08,120 --> 02:19:10,540
and defining terms so camp pack

1569
02:19:10,540 --> 02:19:15,160
was an acronym meeting the cultural artistic musical programming advisory council

1570
02:19:15,160 --> 02:19:18,560
that's an advisory council of the county board and to the county board with

1571
02:19:18,560 --> 02:19:24,000
members approved by the county board and the fund for the arts is a non-departmental

1572
02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:30,300
organization 1975 is the org number included in the budget Milwaukee County Parks.

1573
02:19:30,460 --> 02:19:36,720
Our role is administering the grant application process and staffing meetings and presenting

1574
02:19:36,720 --> 02:19:41,620
this file which is something we've done for a few years back in 2019 and prior there

1575
02:19:41,620 --> 02:19:47,660
was a private consultant who managed this process and was paid a fee to manage the fund

1576
02:19:47,660 --> 02:19:52,940
for the arts grant receive and distribution process.

1577
02:19:53,500 --> 02:19:56,580
The county board by amendment, I believe in the 2020 budget,

1578
02:19:56,760 --> 02:19:59,720
assign that role to the Parks Department as a means of funding.

1579
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:10,360
The summer concert series, our role in the arts, the performing arts, is fairly limited, and it has been implementing

1580
02:20:10,360 --> 02:20:25,540
campus policies and reporting back here on the results of their meetings. So, all that said, there was a funding formula that was proposed during 2020, that changed the distribution of funds.

1581
02:20:25,540 --> 02:20:33,360
From what it was previously that was related to the two programs of matching grant program and a community cultural event program.

1582
02:20:33,920 --> 02:20:44,540
The Kampak group decided for various reasons to go to a more equal distribution of funding and in doing so.

1583
02:20:44,540 --> 02:20:50,960
wanted to reduce the impact that would have on organization, so there was a three-year period

1584
02:20:50,960 --> 02:20:56,780
of transitioning from the old funding structure to the new one. And 2024 in December, I presented

1585
02:20:56,780 --> 02:21:03,840
to the 2024 slate of recommendations. This funding formula is identical, which is take the full

1586
02:21:03,840 --> 02:21:08,960
pot of funding in the fund for the arts, divide it by the total number of qualified applicants,

1587
02:21:08,960 --> 02:21:11,540
and give an equal distribution to all of the applicants.

1588
02:21:12,620 --> 02:21:15,620
Our staff does that applications.

1589
02:21:15,980 --> 02:21:21,680
We make sure that all the requirements are being met as far as financial reporting, the

1590
02:21:21,680 --> 02:21:26,060
minimum number of cultural events in the community that are free and open to the public.

1591
02:21:26,600 --> 02:21:27,480
And we run the application.

1592
02:21:27,740 --> 02:21:31,640
So this year we wanted to get a little bit ahead and not present something in December.

1593
02:21:32,780 --> 02:21:36,600
So here we are after running the application process, all of July.

1594
02:21:36,600 --> 02:21:41,160
So July 7th through August 1st, we had the application open on the county's website.

1595
02:21:41,280 --> 02:21:43,540
We received 48 applications this year.

1596
02:21:44,020 --> 02:21:48,800
All of the organizations are listed, but of note is that the fund for the arts was reduced

1597
02:21:48,800 --> 02:21:54,900
in the 2025 budget where it was previously $407,825.

1598
02:21:55,520 --> 02:22:02,200
The 2025 approved budget, reduced the total fund for the arts to $307,825.

1599
02:22:02,200 --> 02:22:09,200
So, it's just a math problem, as far as the new funding formula goes, we had 48 applications,

1600
02:22:09,800 --> 02:22:14,700
so that distribution to each one of the qualified applicants is $6,413.

1601
02:22:16,300 --> 02:22:21,200
This has generated some pushback that I think we're all aware of.

1602
02:22:21,780 --> 02:22:29,020
Some folks that had received more funding under the previous regime, the funding regime,

1603
02:22:29,620 --> 02:22:36,080
Disappointed that there's a declining amount of support through the fund for the arts and I think I

1604
02:22:36,080 --> 02:22:42,220
You know carry a message from the camppack group that they're trying to do what they can to support the performing arts in this community

1605
02:22:42,220 --> 02:22:50,860
That camppack group is comprised of working artists and people that are in this field who no one wants to see declining support for the arts in the 25 budget

1606
02:22:50,860 --> 02:22:52,980
I was asked to answer some questions

1607
02:22:52,980 --> 02:22:58,320
in October of 2024, and I think it was Supervisor Blinsky who asked for a written report

1608
02:22:58,320 --> 02:23:02,340
on the status of public funding for the arts in general.

1609
02:23:02,800 --> 02:23:07,160
And I provided that and the state of public funding for the arts is abysmal.

1610
02:23:07,200 --> 02:23:13,220
I think Wisconsin is 50th out of 50 states, our public sector, whether it's cities, counties

1611
02:23:13,220 --> 02:23:19,300
or the state, we are last or close to it and providing that public sector support for

1612
02:23:19,300 --> 02:23:27,380
arts, and that is a problem. But I would, as it relates to the fund for the arts in Milwaukee

1613
02:23:27,380 --> 02:23:31,000
County's budget, I would argue we're doing the best we can. The Kampak group is doing

1614
02:23:31,000 --> 02:23:36,340
the best it can with declining support and having conversations about what is continued to

1615
02:23:36,340 --> 02:23:41,760
declining support look like. Right now we're trying to provide equal distribution to be fair

1616
02:23:41,760 --> 02:23:47,380
to all of the 48 groups that are qualified this year. Still trying to see that number of applicants

1617
02:23:47,380 --> 02:23:51,940
grow we had I think three more than we had last year so wanting to see more groups get

1618
02:23:51,940 --> 02:23:56,920
funded from this increasingly smaller and smaller pot of funding but also a recognition

1619
02:23:56,920 --> 02:24:04,240
that we can't do it alone. Obviously no one is entirely reliant on a grant of $6,413 for

1620
02:24:04,240 --> 02:24:10,020
their annual operations. This is meant to achieve the goal of having free publicly accessible

1621
02:24:10,020 --> 02:24:15,300
performing arts events during the course of the year. So with that $100,000 reduction the

1622
02:24:15,300 --> 02:24:20,880
impact group is trying to do their best to provide support to all of these groups.

1623
02:24:21,340 --> 02:24:27,800
And with that, it's an unfortunate choice, but we are asking for the county board support

1624
02:24:27,800 --> 02:24:31,220
and approval of this slate on behalf of that advisory council.

1625
02:24:32,740 --> 02:24:32,880
All right.

1626
02:24:32,940 --> 02:24:34,460
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair and to you, no?

1627
02:24:35,000 --> 02:24:35,820
Members of the committee,

1628
02:24:38,960 --> 02:24:39,860
Supervisor O'Connor.

1629
02:24:41,180 --> 02:24:41,540
Thank you, Chair.

1630
02:24:41,600 --> 02:24:42,560
Thank you for that report.

1631
02:24:42,560 --> 02:24:50,000
I agree with you the state of arts funding is the bismal being 50th in my opinion is not acceptable.

1632
02:24:51,520 --> 02:24:56,600
Arts contribute a lot to our well-being and quality of life here in Wisconsin.

1633
02:24:57,820 --> 02:24:59,960
So I received almost 40 emails.

1634
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:10,660
Members, which were pretty much unhappy with what the campaign recommendations are for total amounts

1635
02:25:10,660 --> 02:25:11,660
in the county budgeting.

1636
02:25:14,120 --> 02:25:19,800
So I will be voting no, just to raise awareness on this situation. I would

1637
02:25:19,800 --> 02:25:28,400
like to see more focus on this from our government relations and from the administration. I don't

1638
02:25:28,400 --> 02:25:36,400
there's anyone here to speak to where this lands in our request to the state, but because

1639
02:25:36,400 --> 02:25:41,940
I feel that we should be doing more around support for the arts, I will be voting no today.

1640
02:25:44,640 --> 02:25:46,620
Other questions? Supervisor Eckbach.

1641
02:25:51,320 --> 02:25:54,940
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'd like to hear you, I see one of the consequences of a no-go today.

1642
02:25:55,140 --> 02:26:03,500
Do we have the option of passing this and then maybe finding more room in the budget if there is

1643
02:26:03,500 --> 02:26:10,520
surprise here in the next eight weeks. What are the really options before us? Mr. Tarotimig would

1644
02:26:10,520 --> 02:26:14,980
you like to respond to that? Yeah, I could just speak to our role in the process is, you know,

1645
02:26:14,980 --> 02:26:18,680
we're in communication with these groups. We've told them the timeline. We've, we've told them.

1646
02:26:18,680 --> 02:26:23,080
We've communicated that camp pack meets in early August in the county board meets in September.

1647
02:26:23,700 --> 02:26:29,240
And so if this is all approved, we'll be cutting 48 checks to these organizations in October.

1648
02:26:29,240 --> 02:26:35,640
So that's something that, as organizations, they, when say, reliant on, but their expectation

1649
02:26:35,640 --> 02:26:40,160
is that some grant funding would be coming in October, so I need delays would obviously

1650
02:26:40,160 --> 02:26:41,820
push that out, be a disappointment.

1651
02:26:44,280 --> 02:26:52,000
I, you know, a principled vote against this and the status of arts funding I understand, but

1652
02:26:52,000 --> 02:26:56,360
we have a pragmatic issue of this fund for the arts as an annual appropriation.

1653
02:26:56,360 --> 02:27:01,780
if we don't distribute it, it doesn't go anywhere, it doesn't accrue to any public benefit,

1654
02:27:01,980 --> 02:27:07,480
it doesn't get in the hands of the arts organization. So that's why we're recommending approval

1655
02:27:07,480 --> 02:27:12,740
of this today to get that money out in the community, while we do need to have bigger picture,

1656
02:27:12,820 --> 02:27:16,420
longer-term conversations about the status of public arts funding.

1657
02:27:20,080 --> 02:27:21,700
Mr. Chairman, as the follow-up.

1658
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:23,480
Sir, please go ahead.

1659
02:27:23,800 --> 02:27:24,220
Supervisor.

1660
02:27:25,220 --> 02:27:25,360
Thanks.

1661
02:27:25,500 --> 02:27:26,260
Director Antino.

1662
02:27:26,980 --> 02:27:30,720
Am I incorrect that these grants used to be $10,000?

1663
02:27:31,760 --> 02:27:33,000
I don't know why that.

1664
02:27:33,240 --> 02:27:34,380
That number was in my head.

1665
02:27:35,240 --> 02:27:39,020
Chair and supervisors attached to this file.

1666
02:27:39,300 --> 02:27:40,700
The three year history.

1667
02:27:40,920 --> 02:27:41,840
This is something we did.

1668
02:27:41,900 --> 02:27:44,660
Historically done so you can see the flow of funding.

1669
02:27:45,580 --> 02:27:48,560
So last year it was $9,269.

1670
02:27:49,280 --> 02:27:52,960
that's because the pot of funding was $100,000 larger.

1671
02:27:53,260 --> 02:27:56,860
So it was 407, 825, it's now 307, 825.

1672
02:27:57,800 --> 02:28:03,400
In addition, we had three more qualified applicants this year

1673
02:28:03,400 --> 02:28:04,380
than we had last year.

1674
02:28:04,580 --> 02:28:05,900
So the distribution is just smaller.

1675
02:28:06,500 --> 02:28:10,780
The year prior to that was the last year of the transition

1676
02:28:10,780 --> 02:28:13,200
from the old funding formula to this one,

1677
02:28:13,660 --> 02:28:15,720
where generally speaking some organizations

1678
02:28:15,720 --> 02:28:23,240
that had been receiving upwards of 50 to 80,000 out of this pot where transition downward

1679
02:28:24,000 --> 02:28:31,140
to, we could see the attachment for yourself, but 30,000 and then the remainder got $10,125,

1680
02:28:31,400 --> 02:28:35,520
which again is a factor of having less applicants and more money in those prior years.

1681
02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:39,860
Thank you very much, Ray. I'm, which is technical hopefully that number up.

1682
02:28:40,300 --> 02:28:43,920
So obviously, if we pass this, we'll have the option of augmenting it

1683
02:28:44,680 --> 02:28:51,260
In the budget, if we do find some crumbs, I'm not saying that that's a certainty, but that would be an option we have in front of us.

1684
02:28:54,600 --> 02:28:55,160
All right.

1685
02:28:55,620 --> 02:28:56,260
Superversa Taylor?

1686
02:28:56,860 --> 02:29:05,000
Well, so, in a way, we could take some of these applications and just give them nothing and give some organizations more than others.

1687
02:29:05,100 --> 02:29:06,200
Correct? We could give some zero.

1688
02:29:06,280 --> 02:29:09,300
We don't have to say yes to half of these if you didn't want to, right?

1689
02:29:09,420 --> 02:29:11,740
Is that mean when you guys, how are the decisions made?

1690
02:29:11,940 --> 02:29:12,780
Anybody that applies?

1691
02:29:12,780 --> 02:29:17,500
are going to, here's the pot of money, $307,000 we're going to divide it by the number of

1692
02:29:17,500 --> 02:29:17,780
applicants.

1693
02:29:17,880 --> 02:29:21,960
If next year there's another six applicants, this pot's just going to get smaller and smaller.

1694
02:29:22,820 --> 02:29:27,280
That's essentially, it's like, no one's losing, we're going to give everybody something.

1695
02:29:27,520 --> 02:29:29,800
Is that what the kind of decisions were going on?

1696
02:29:30,200 --> 02:29:35,000
Yeah, essentially, it turns supervisors, there's, there's been discussions for the last

1697
02:29:35,000 --> 02:29:40,240
five years about how small of a pot of funding this is and trying to do the most good with

1698
02:29:40,240 --> 02:29:46,800
small pot of money as it's shrinking is really difficult. We had an old funding formula that

1699
02:29:48,460 --> 02:29:52,440
valued the size of an organization's budget. So if you had a larger budget,

1700
02:29:52,460 --> 02:29:57,020
you received a higher allocation. And there were some really direct conversations about how

1701
02:29:57,020 --> 02:29:59,960
inequitable that was, that larger organization.

1702
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:14,420
We're seeing more funding, smaller organizations remain small by receiving less funding. So there are no perfect solutions here, but what the camppack group had tried to do was broadcast three or four years ahead of any transition that this was coming.

1703
02:30:14,880 --> 02:30:27,820
Having a graduated system downwards. Ultimately, this file is, you know, before you today, you've got the whole list of qualified applicants and the amount that they'd be getting in the resolution.

1704
02:30:27,820 --> 02:30:35,540
Because ultimately it is up to you to vote on you know what that grant funding would be the advisory council exists to advise you in that in that vote

1705
02:30:35,540 --> 02:30:40,100
I remember those conversations about the size of the organization and the bigger organizations get more money

1706
02:30:40,100 --> 02:30:43,180
I remember that and then there is people of unhappy with that system now

1707
02:30:43,180 --> 02:30:48,840
There's people unhappy with this system and yeah, we're 50 out of 50 lucky county cannot solve that problem

1708
02:30:49,200 --> 02:30:53,280
Okay, so that's like we've talked about this before the for some reason the status

1709
02:30:53,280 --> 02:30:58,560
Wisconsin does not value that all right and they've made decisions all the elective

1710
02:30:58,560 --> 02:31:02,560
officials are public and Democrats have made the decision in Madison that we

1711
02:31:02,560 --> 02:31:07,700
have other priorities and ours is at the very bottom that's what the state of

1712
02:31:07,700 --> 02:31:11,260
Wisconsin has determined there's nothing that Milwaukee County can do now

1713
02:31:11,260 --> 02:31:15,800
fighting crumbs don't you think I mean I'm just waiting for this operating budget

1714
02:31:15,800 --> 02:31:17,900
where we're going to have all these amendments of trying to help this

1715
02:31:17,900 --> 02:31:22,280
organization or this organization or fund this program who an affordable housing

1716
02:31:22,280 --> 02:31:27,180
here. I mean, I've seen it every year. So now we're going to remember, well, what about

1717
02:31:27,180 --> 02:31:31,120
camp pack? Let's try to find some more money for them. Then, what are you, where are you taking

1718
02:31:31,120 --> 02:31:36,860
it from? We have pools on the agenda. We, today, we have the domes on the agenda, with it. We

1719
02:31:36,860 --> 02:31:41,960
are using it. It's, there's not enough money to go around. So no different than Madison,

1720
02:31:42,780 --> 02:31:47,920
every one of us are going to have to rank our priorities. I know where my sit in this cultural area.

1721
02:31:47,920 --> 02:31:49,300
we've seen my votes, all right?

1722
02:31:49,780 --> 02:31:52,220
So I just think that we can vote no,

1723
02:31:52,360 --> 02:31:55,160
we can be symbolic, but here's the system

1724
02:31:55,160 --> 02:31:59,840
that we put in place, the administration's executing it.

1725
02:32:00,200 --> 02:32:02,580
So what, we just out of symbol, we vote no.

1726
02:32:03,260 --> 02:32:04,520
And then no one gets to money,

1727
02:32:04,560 --> 02:32:06,160
we just went hold it over until next year,

1728
02:32:06,680 --> 02:32:10,040
we do a new formula that's half the people

1729
02:32:10,040 --> 02:32:10,860
aren't gonna like.

1730
02:32:12,260 --> 02:32:13,080
I don't know.

1731
02:32:13,420 --> 02:32:14,620
I mean, I'm not gonna vote no on this

1732
02:32:14,620 --> 02:32:16,460
because I think we've already made a commitment

1733
02:32:16,460 --> 02:32:20,740
that this is how we're going to operate, but in the future, if you want to create a

1734
02:32:20,740 --> 02:32:29,880
company with a brand new system for 20, 20, 20, what's 6, 27, or for 27, yeah, if you want to

1735
02:32:29,880 --> 02:32:35,540
do that, that's fine. But then if you think you're going to add more money to that pot, where

1736
02:32:35,540 --> 02:32:44,240
are you taking it from? Seniors, parks? Where? Supervisor, Connor? Thank you, Chair. Yeah, I was just

1737
02:32:44,240 --> 02:32:50,300
I'm wondering if there was anyone here from Campac just to express their viewpoint of the challenges?

1738
02:32:51,560 --> 02:32:53,060
Is there anyone from Campac?

1739
02:32:54,870 --> 02:32:55,530
Yes, not.

1740
02:32:59,100 --> 02:33:00,360
I guess here's where I'd like to go.

1741
02:33:01,040 --> 02:33:07,720
We have three people who would like to come to before and testify about these, about this campac allocation,

1742
02:33:08,160 --> 02:33:11,600
and I think I'd like to call on those three, and then we can hear from the general public,

1743
02:33:12,260 --> 02:33:14,660
and then I'll have some comments after this.

1744
02:33:14,660 --> 02:33:18,740
The first one up is Chad Balman from the Milwaukee Rep Theater.

1745
02:33:19,860 --> 02:33:26,940
He would like to speak against, following will be Sarah Nelson from Imagine Milwaukee.

1746
02:33:27,280 --> 02:33:28,540
He's going to speak against.

1747
02:33:29,120 --> 02:33:35,180
And then we have Christine Hojnaki from Imagine Milwaukee who's also going to be speaking against.

1748
02:33:36,860 --> 02:33:38,260
So, you're up first Mr. Balman.

1749
02:33:38,300 --> 02:33:39,920
Feel it to introduce yourself in your title.

1750
02:34:00,560 --> 02:34:05,060
It's also important for us to use and that 1,100,000 will want to be on the rest of us.

1751
02:34:05,120 --> 02:34:06,820
Excuse me, Mr. Chair.

1752
02:34:07,400 --> 02:34:08,620
I'm sorry, we cannot hear.

1753
02:34:09,100 --> 02:34:10,760
I mean, like, oh, yeah, there you go.

1754
02:34:10,860 --> 02:34:12,040
Could you apologies?

1755
02:34:12,840 --> 02:34:13,660
If you could repeat yourself.

1756
02:34:13,980 --> 02:34:15,100
Yes, I am Chad Bowling.

1757
02:34:15,220 --> 02:34:18,480
Ellen and Joe Chicago executive director of Milwaukee Repetory Theatre.

1758
02:34:18,580 --> 02:34:21,960
And I am here to speak today on behalf of Milwaukee Rep.

1759
02:34:22,340 --> 02:34:26,640
Our Board of Trustees and the more than 100,000 Milwaukee County residents that we serve

1760
02:34:26,640 --> 02:34:33,940
to ask that you vote no on the Camp Act allocations, which include a 31% cut in our county funding.

1761
02:34:34,800 --> 02:34:42,520
In the immediate aftermath of the global pandemic, which closed our theaters, Milwaukee County approved a change to the Camp Act funding formula as you just heard,

1762
02:34:42,740 --> 02:34:46,100
resulting in an 83% reduction in Milwaukee reps funding.

1763
02:34:46,680 --> 02:34:54,160
Now, they have said that that is related to the size of organization. I would actually argue it's related to the number of Milwaukee County residents that we serve.

1764
02:34:54,640 --> 02:34:59,960
Today, the system that you have gives an equal grant, whether we are serving one, Milwaukee County.

1765
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:12,620
For more than 100,000 Milwaukee County residents, as in which we do. Just three weeks ago, a thousand-year flood destroyed our production facility, causing $8 million in damages.

1766
02:35:13,080 --> 02:35:23,260
I'd like to thank each of you for your outreach and pledges of support, in particular for the county executive who visited and assessed the damage alongside the supervisor, roll and pledging their assistance.

1767
02:35:23,260 --> 02:35:29,500
Given the circumstances, it was very deeply troubling to me to be notified by Chairwoman

1768
02:35:29,500 --> 02:35:33,820
Nicholson's office on Thursday that there was a plan before this committee that would

1769
02:35:33,820 --> 02:35:39,260
cut Milwaukee reps allocation by an additional 31% on top of the 83% reduction we

1770
02:35:39,260 --> 02:35:40,140
had already endured.

1771
02:35:40,720 --> 02:35:46,740
The reason why supervisor O'Connor received 40 emails plus was we started notifying and talking

1772
02:35:46,740 --> 02:35:50,280
to the constituents in which we serve and which you also serve as well.

1773
02:35:50,280 --> 02:35:58,580
Milwaukee Rep is Wisconsin's largest performing outdoor organization serving 300,000 people annually the majority of which are county residents.

1774
02:35:59,300 --> 02:36:08,200
We also provide our education in more than 20,000 students each year, including sustained partnerships with more than 30 MPS schools each of which are in your districts.

1775
02:36:09,020 --> 02:36:12,900
Despite receiving no dedicated public funding from the city or county,

1776
02:36:12,900 --> 02:36:19,460
Milwaukee Rap has invested $80 million in Milwaukee County through the creation of the Associated Bank Theater Center,

1777
02:36:19,880 --> 02:36:24,160
projected to generate $40 million of annual economic activity locally.

1778
02:36:24,780 --> 02:36:28,480
We've also demonstrated our deep commitment to serving all Wisconsinites,

1779
02:36:28,660 --> 02:36:34,300
only earning the governor's award for diversity and tourism, the first meeting was constant to ever do so.

1780
02:36:35,040 --> 02:36:38,200
Milwaukee Rap has weathered multiple existential threats in this decade.

1781
02:36:38,200 --> 02:36:43,320
Many of you understand the importance in this community, many of you I've had personal conversations with.

1782
02:36:43,760 --> 02:36:44,920
But now we need action.

1783
02:36:45,420 --> 02:36:50,500
We ask you to reject this proposal, allocation, and restore Milwaukee Rups County funding.

1784
02:36:51,000 --> 02:36:55,040
Without your support, our ability to continue to live, will be greatly diminished.

1785
02:36:55,540 --> 02:36:59,120
And I would just also like to say, it's not just the state that is 50th.

1786
02:36:59,220 --> 02:37:04,740
Milwaukee County is the last and the worst of the 60 largest DMAs in the country.

1787
02:37:04,740 --> 02:37:09,680
and the city of Milwaukee is the worst of the 60 largest cities so this is a

1788
02:37:09,680 --> 02:37:13,540
responsibility for the city of Milwaukee the county of Milwaukee and the

1789
02:37:13,540 --> 02:37:17,740
state of Wisconsin and I would be happy to give any of you the number of people

1790
02:37:17,740 --> 02:37:20,400
that we serve in your district every single year.

1791
02:37:22,500 --> 02:37:23,520
Questions for Mr. Bowman?

1792
02:37:26,210 --> 02:37:28,390
Thank you very much. Thank you.

1793
02:37:28,930 --> 02:37:38,370
I would like to get those numbers that he suggested the amount of

1794
02:37:38,370 --> 02:37:43,850
folks of the, um, that participated in their program from the 13 district.

1795
02:37:44,610 --> 02:37:45,170
Absolutely.

1796
02:37:45,330 --> 02:37:47,950
I'll do that as well as the schools that we serve as well.

1797
02:37:48,250 --> 02:37:49,090
Thank you.

1798
02:37:49,190 --> 02:37:49,570
Great.

1799
02:37:50,730 --> 02:37:55,210
Next up is Sarah Nelson from Immort, Mayor of Milwaukee.

1800
02:37:55,490 --> 02:38:00,170
You feel like to introduce yourself and your title, come on up.

1801
02:38:06,080 --> 02:38:06,340
Welcome.

1802
02:38:07,200 --> 02:38:07,980
Thanks very much.

1803
02:38:08,580 --> 02:38:09,580
My name is Sarah Nelson.

1804
02:38:10,140 --> 02:38:13,740
I am the engagement director at ImagineMKE and, uh,

1805
02:38:13,740 --> 02:38:17,460
But following me will be the Executive Director, Christine Honaki.

1806
02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:22,480
We're both speaking on behalf of a Medgen MKE, and of course I'm speaking for myself as a citizen.

1807
02:38:24,220 --> 02:38:28,180
Much of my opinion has been stated, and I'm very grateful to you,

1808
02:38:28,200 --> 02:38:34,400
a supervisor, O'Connor, for your position, on the value statement that the county can make as a part of its budget.

1809
02:38:35,100 --> 02:38:38,780
Budgets are not simply practical. They are, in fact, value statements.

1810
02:38:39,840 --> 02:38:42,920
Public funding for the arts holds the potential to increase tourism,

1811
02:38:42,920 --> 02:38:48,440
retain arts students and attract artists to our region. But when we see those numbers decrease,

1812
02:38:48,760 --> 02:38:54,020
Milwaukee County looks like a less inspiring place, a place that doesn't value the significant

1813
02:38:54,020 --> 02:39:00,420
contributions of its arts community. Arts nonprofits provide as Shad stated tens of thousands

1814
02:39:00,420 --> 02:39:07,820
of educational hours to our youth. They generate over $330 million in economic impact, and that was

1815
02:39:07,820 --> 02:39:12,800
a number stated in 2022 that number has grown through activities that drop people out of

1816
02:39:12,800 --> 02:39:18,140
homes to spend at hotels, restaurants, child care and beyond, while simultaneously improving

1817
02:39:18,140 --> 02:39:19,980
the quality of life for our citizens.

1818
02:39:20,740 --> 02:39:25,420
Our arts nonprofits provide all of this and yet are expected to compete for private philanthropic

1819
02:39:25,420 --> 02:39:28,960
dollars that cannot sustain a thriving sector alone.

1820
02:39:29,640 --> 02:39:34,080
I urge this committee to consider the substantial benefits to our region provided by the

1821
02:39:34,080 --> 02:39:39,760
organizations that qualify for compact funding and to engage with ImagineMKE's convening

1822
02:39:39,760 --> 02:39:50,900
where we are convening the community to look at creative solutions to finding funding for greater increased public funding that is.

1823
02:39:51,560 --> 02:39:59,880
Public funding doesn't solve any organization's budgetary needs, but it does provide important operational dollars that help keep the lights on and signal.

1824
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:09,280
That our region is proud of its talent and cares about the quality of life for all of us, so thank you for your consideration in this challenging decision.

1825
02:40:10,360 --> 02:40:13,720
Thank you very much. Supervisor Cogs. Jones, do you have a question?

1826
02:40:15,500 --> 02:40:16,820
No, I do not chair.

1827
02:40:17,460 --> 02:40:19,940
All right. Just saw your hand up with that.

1828
02:40:19,940 --> 02:40:22,020
Oh, let me put it down. I didn't know.

1829
02:40:22,700 --> 02:40:31,240
Okay. All right. Thank you very much. Next up is Christine Hujnaki, apologize that I'm saying you're

1830
02:40:33,800 --> 02:40:35,420
welcome if you can introduce yourself.

1831
02:40:44,380 --> 02:40:50,020
All right. I'm Christine Hujnaki. I am the Executive Director at ImagineMKE.

1832
02:40:50,800 --> 02:40:57,240
Thank you, Chairman and county supervisors for the opportunity to speak here today. Can you hear me?

1833
02:40:57,240 --> 02:41:04,600
Yes. Okay. So you are familiar, imagine MKE because we are a pretty young organization,

1834
02:41:04,920 --> 02:41:09,000
just about six years old. We advocate to advance and drive Milwaukee's Arts and Culture

1835
02:41:09,000 --> 02:41:15,740
sector forward and support a creative vibrant thriving cultural Milwaukee landscape.

1836
02:41:17,660 --> 02:41:23,300
I'm here today also because of the 25% reduction in public investment for the Arts and

1837
02:41:23,300 --> 02:41:31,740
organizations and ask for you to restore this critical funding and urge no additional cuts.

1838
02:41:33,660 --> 02:41:38,840
As previously stated, private philanthropy cannot continue to carry the burden of sustaining

1839
02:41:38,840 --> 02:41:46,740
arts and culture. It's not this group's responsibility, but we are last in funding in all areas.

1840
02:41:46,740 --> 02:41:54,020
the walkie continues to rank the lowest in the nation in public funding at the city county and state levels.

1841
02:41:54,900 --> 02:42:02,800
However, even though that is so, the arts drive 334 million in economic activity.

1842
02:42:03,860 --> 02:42:10,820
We are the only sector that has the multiplier effect, meaning when you go participate in arts and culture,

1843
02:42:10,820 --> 02:42:16,700
you're driving revenue to other areas of business, be that restaurants, gas, parking, hotels,

1844
02:42:17,380 --> 02:42:18,900
retail establishments.

1845
02:42:20,240 --> 02:42:27,360
Not only that, we drive tourism, social well-being, mental wellness, we reduce crime by keeping

1846
02:42:27,360 --> 02:42:31,460
our cities busy, keeping our children active and educate youth.

1847
02:42:33,080 --> 02:42:39,460
As the convener for the art sector, a part of our role as ImagineMKE, we are leading a strategic

1848
02:42:39,460 --> 02:42:44,300
accession to address many of the things that you heard here in the room today, we don't have

1849
02:42:44,300 --> 02:42:44,840
the answer.

1850
02:42:45,360 --> 02:42:50,520
There was a public policy forum report, Curtain Time Dunn that was released last year, and

1851
02:42:50,520 --> 02:42:55,520
you can look at the one in prior years that say the same thing that we have, we have a

1852
02:42:55,520 --> 02:42:58,020
serious problem that's going to catch up with us.

1853
02:42:59,100 --> 02:43:05,260
So we have invited funders, civic leaders, and arts, and cultural organizations to develop

1854
02:43:05,260 --> 02:43:13,300
a collected vision and roadmap for a sustainable future and I encourage a representative from

1855
02:43:13,300 --> 02:43:20,100
the county to participate in this larger discussion. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions for

1856
02:43:20,100 --> 02:43:24,220
committee members? Supervisor Eckbach, you have your hand up.

1857
02:43:26,870 --> 02:43:27,890
Mr. Chair, I'm just curious

1858
02:43:27,890 --> 02:43:36,370
of any of the organizations listed who are expecting this check to hit an October, our president

1859
02:43:36,370 --> 02:43:42,330
to speak to it, whether optimist theater or the Valley Company or any of the other organizations

1860
02:43:42,330 --> 02:43:44,950
who are expecting this funding are present to speak.

1861
02:43:45,870 --> 02:43:50,630
I don't have anybody else on the who's filled out a blue card to speak at this time.

1862
02:43:50,810 --> 02:43:57,870
I believe that, oh, if I could, Chairman, excuse me, there, I believe there was some

1863
02:43:57,870 --> 02:44:02,190
submissions online and

1864
02:44:04,970 --> 02:44:06,470
we'll check into that.

1865
02:44:06,790 --> 02:44:06,830
Okay.

1866
02:44:08,010 --> 02:44:08,970
Thank you.

1867
02:44:08,970 --> 02:44:10,250
It will be added to the file.

1868
02:44:10,450 --> 02:44:11,550
Supervisor Act Black.

1869
02:44:13,370 --> 02:44:13,630
All right.

1870
02:44:13,830 --> 02:44:14,510
Thank you very much.

1871
02:44:14,590 --> 02:44:14,930
Thank you.

1872
02:44:15,170 --> 02:44:15,710
Thank you.

1873
02:44:15,710 --> 02:44:16,210
All right.

1874
02:44:16,590 --> 02:44:18,890
Today we have before us.

1875
02:44:18,890 --> 02:44:22,670
We don't have a motion to floor, but I want to frame the argument and frame the issue that

1876
02:44:22,670 --> 02:44:26,510
we have before us in decision that our committee has to make.

1877
02:44:27,190 --> 02:44:28,150
There are two issues here.

1878
02:44:28,150 --> 02:44:38,030
One issue is a larger issue where we're 50th of the nation, we have no money, we can't do anything about it today.

1879
02:44:38,510 --> 02:44:42,710
We don't have any authority of this, this is a legislative issue, we don't have authority.

1880
02:44:43,530 --> 02:44:47,390
There's private donors, I mean it's on and on, it's not an issue that we can face.

1881
02:44:48,110 --> 02:44:50,910
The issue that's before us today is a very simple issue.

1882
02:44:50,910 --> 02:44:58,230
is an issue of $307,000, and the allocation of that amount of money, and how do we make that allocation?

1883
02:44:59,570 --> 02:44:59,910
I think...

1884
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:09,120
Clearly, one of the things when I joined the board is equality does not equal equity. There's a big difference between the two.

1885
02:45:09,480 --> 02:45:14,820
So, whenever it says everything's equal, that's great, but it's equitable, and that's the real issue.

1886
02:45:15,280 --> 02:45:25,420
I don't think the current allegations are equitable. From the phone calls I've received, from the emails I've received, and from the conversation I've received, people do not like this.

1887
02:45:25,420 --> 02:45:31,720
and the morarchy rep of all things during this time of crisis of a flood there is really

1888
02:45:33,000 --> 02:45:38,220
wrecked an institution in the morarchy area with an eight million dollar loss.

1889
02:45:39,860 --> 02:45:45,060
This allocation today, if we go through it, is not equitable, it's just not fair.

1890
02:45:45,860 --> 02:45:50,000
So my ideas are to also vote for rejection today,

1891
02:45:52,220 --> 02:45:54,280
and I can't move that as a chair, but I would

1892
02:45:54,280 --> 02:46:01,300
for rejection today but then at the same time the issue of allocation how we allocate is really

1893
02:46:01,300 --> 02:46:08,220
the question and how this should be done. Now last year's committee I sat right here we also brought

1894
02:46:08,220 --> 02:46:12,960
up that we did not like the allocations. We do not like the current everything is equal everything

1895
02:46:12,960 --> 02:46:18,120
is just going to get there jack. It's just not fair. So I like to move I would like to have somebody

1896
02:46:18,120 --> 02:46:24,380
move for rejection today, have camp act, re-look at the allocations, look at it from a different

1897
02:46:24,380 --> 02:46:30,200
perspective of what really is benefiting in the community. If they do not want to move forward,

1898
02:46:30,700 --> 02:46:36,520
I think finance could do it, because three of my three members right here are in finance. Have

1899
02:46:36,520 --> 02:46:40,840
finance going to do it, or have it come back and have it, like a special session of the

1900
02:46:40,840 --> 02:46:47,340
parks committee to discuss allocations to different groups and overall allocation. So I'm opening

1901
02:46:47,340 --> 02:46:52,860
that up as suggestions, but I think at this time I would really want to move to reject, because

1902
02:46:52,860 --> 02:46:58,540
I just don't think it's fair. Supervisor Martinez, I move to reject. There's now a motion for

1903
02:46:58,540 --> 02:47:02,760
rejection of this current allocation plan for the discussion.

1904
02:47:06,090 --> 02:47:06,830
Supervisor O'Connor.

1905
02:47:07,470 --> 02:47:13,270
I guess I would just like to express my disappointment that no one from the Campack board is here

1906
02:47:13,270 --> 02:47:21,270
sort of explain the thinking we did have this discussion last year also and looking at the

1907
02:47:21,270 --> 02:47:30,930
list of recipient organizations they do very greatly in services delivered. So that point

1908
02:47:30,930 --> 02:47:43,250
did land with me from Director Bowman. So I guess if we could have perhaps some kind of

1909
02:47:43,250 --> 02:47:44,390
That's all, thank you.

1910
02:47:45,490 --> 02:47:51,390
I think at this time, we'll have, we have a motion, this part of the discussion, the motion

1911
02:47:51,390 --> 02:47:51,930
of rejection.

1912
02:47:53,190 --> 02:47:55,470
I think I will have contact with CAMPAC.

1913
02:47:56,610 --> 02:48:01,630
I will also contact with you individually, not, of course, in a group meeting, but to see

1914
02:48:01,630 --> 02:48:02,750
how we want to move forward.

1915
02:48:03,510 --> 02:48:07,150
And if the Parks Committee has to come in for a special emergency meeting before the budget

1916
02:48:07,150 --> 02:48:12,750
or leaving it for finance to have them make the specific allocations, we can, or let's see

1917
02:48:12,750 --> 02:48:18,290
campaign comes up, but the campaign wants to come back to us with a new allocation, hearing

1918
02:48:18,290 --> 02:48:22,590
what our concerns are. I think we all like to hear it. Yes. Supervisor Taylor.

1919
02:48:22,670 --> 02:48:27,150
Well, that's all fine. Good. Okay. Let's just say we reject this and then it goes to the board

1920
02:48:27,150 --> 02:48:33,630
and rejects it at the board. So now we have nothing in September. What mechanism sends it to the

1921
02:48:33,630 --> 02:48:38,050
finance committee during the budget? I mean, what mechanism is it? Where are you getting that from?

1922
02:48:38,050 --> 02:48:53,310
Okay, what is if there's rejection to Director Tarantino or maybe Guy, exactly as a director, Guy Smith, what happens next or maybe I need corporation council to tell me what is the what happens next.

1923
02:48:53,310 --> 02:48:58,990
Well, Chair, it's supervisors. I don't believe this item was referred to finance, it's just referred to this committee.

1924
02:48:59,690 --> 02:49:03,550
So that is something to address if you want to hear it at finance committee.

1925
02:49:04,230 --> 02:49:06,170
It's just another process for that.

1926
02:49:07,070 --> 02:49:11,150
I could tell you just that the campaign group is not expecting that to happen.

1927
02:49:11,910 --> 02:49:16,590
They are not prepared to revise a funding formula.

1928
02:49:17,390 --> 02:49:25,790
From their side of things, this revised funding formula was presented in January 2021, and we were given a three year transition period.

1929
02:49:27,230 --> 02:49:31,830
So, you know, we're in the fourth year of it, they're hoping to get these grants out the door to these organizations.

1930
02:49:33,530 --> 02:49:40,970
I feel a certain sense of obligation to advocate for the smaller organizations to say, yes, some of them are expecting this funding.

1931
02:49:41,610 --> 02:49:59,970
The Summer Concert Series in Washington Park, for example, has concluded those artists have been paid, and that organization is expecting this money to be reimbursed to pay for the Summer Concerts, so people are making decisions throughout the calendar year expecting our fund for the arts revenue to come in if you're delaying.

1932
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:15,860
Hang it, there's no certainty of where it goes from here. If we resummit a different file in the December cycle, I can't, I'm just a representative trying to be the go between between the advisory council and you all, but I don't know how they would react to a rejection here.

1933
02:50:15,860 --> 02:50:22,520
So that's my point. I mean we can it can be rejected, but I think the next time it comes before us would be December

1934
02:50:22,520 --> 02:50:27,280
There's no mechanism to send it to the finance what committee during the budget so then that can't happen

1935
02:50:27,280 --> 02:50:32,620
So then you're going to do nothing in what's it's we're gonna expect camp act to just

1936
02:50:32,620 --> 02:50:37,180
redo a formula that they've ready you know said that was laid out over a three-year period

1937
02:50:37,180 --> 02:50:43,740
I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't know that that's the way to go on this if we don't like the formula

1938
02:50:43,740 --> 02:50:47,480
Which I'm hearing that you know people didn't like the old one now. They don't like this one

1939
02:50:48,540 --> 02:50:53,600
I don't see another hundred two hundred thousand dollars get added into the next budget

1940
02:50:54,220 --> 02:51:00,880
And even if you basically took what 47 organizations and gave it mean it's 307 is what you're asking for

1941
02:51:00,880 --> 02:51:04,520
Is that Milwaukee rep ones what's it strip everybody out and get all three oh seven?

1942
02:51:06,000 --> 02:51:07,800
No, you don't have to dress that

1943
02:51:08,440 --> 02:51:13,040
Okay, so what what what what what okay, all right, what do you want?

1944
02:51:17,300 --> 02:51:22,160
Mr. Chair, can we have speakers come to the testimony table for the record?

1945
02:51:22,540 --> 02:51:23,100
Yes, exactly.

1946
02:51:23,600 --> 02:51:25,840
Mr. Obama, if you'd like to come up and answer that question.

1947
02:51:28,340 --> 02:51:30,640
Yes, I think there's two things that Milwaukee rep wants.

1948
02:51:31,000 --> 02:51:38,120
One is we don't want to be dead last as a county in this country when it comes to public funding for the arts.

1949
02:51:38,260 --> 02:51:41,440
What we've heard now is, and listen, I don't want to be in your position because it's a very difficult position.

1950
02:51:41,880 --> 02:51:47,780
But I just want to point out that one of the things that we heard earlier today was that we're looking at a $180,000 expenditure

1951
02:51:47,780 --> 02:51:53,060
on a pool study in one district and that is 60% of the entire camp pack budget.

1952
02:51:53,340 --> 02:51:57,280
I just want to put that in and I'm not saying that pools are, you know, I don't want to get down that argument,

1953
02:51:58,300 --> 02:52:02,240
but that's the place that you guys are talking about being just having to choose one over the other.

1954
02:52:02,460 --> 02:52:07,640
What Milwaukee Rap wants to do is we want funding for the arts to be restored to where it was,

1955
02:52:08,000 --> 02:52:12,100
and we want an equitable funding formula to Chairman Wasserman's point.

1956
02:52:12,100 --> 02:52:18,440
Right, and the point that I'll make up is that we have priorities in this county and just like the state of Wisconsin

1957
02:52:18,440 --> 02:52:24,740
It is it's not the top. It's it's not and if you want to change if this if this board wants to change it and

1958
02:52:24,740 --> 02:52:29,080
Starts many more on on the cultural and the arts then where are you gonna take it from?

1959
02:52:29,340 --> 02:52:30,420
Where are you gonna take it from?

1960
02:52:30,580 --> 02:52:35,160
I don't think we're gonna take it from it. I only use the same number at this point. This is the reality is

1961
02:52:35,160 --> 02:52:42,080
$300,000. I think I think we reject today. It goes back to camp act camp act can hear this argument that's being made

1962
02:52:42,080 --> 02:52:47,220
And different groups of go to campback, let them go to campback like campback makes it

1963
02:52:47,220 --> 02:52:51,820
to, you know, have a decision made by what groups are actually saying to them, knowing

1964
02:52:51,820 --> 02:52:56,700
that we don't want a one-size-fits-all policy, come back into the December cycle.

1965
02:53:00,660 --> 02:53:04,800
I think, you know, let campback do the job, they're using a, it's cookie cutter system

1966
02:53:04,800 --> 02:53:05,620
just doesn't work.

1967
02:53:05,900 --> 02:53:08,900
Let the groups go to campback, let them make a decision, come back in December.

1968
02:53:10,320 --> 02:53:12,340
I think that's the most equitable way we can go at this point.

1969
02:53:12,760 --> 02:53:13,940
for the discussion?

1970
02:53:17,610 --> 02:53:18,250
Seeing none?

1971
02:53:18,470 --> 02:53:20,270
Ms. Evans, you'd like to call the roll.

1972
02:53:21,070 --> 02:53:21,530
Mr. Chair.

1973
02:53:22,050 --> 02:53:22,310
Go ahead.

1974
02:53:25,280 --> 02:53:27,480
Supervisor Akelet has hand up and I'll go up, Chair.

1975
02:53:27,700 --> 02:53:29,280
I'm supervisor Akelet.

1976
02:53:30,040 --> 02:53:31,020
Then you would want to Mr. Chair.

1977
02:53:31,280 --> 02:53:34,540
I think the part that I don't struggle with is wanting more.

1978
02:53:34,660 --> 02:53:34,900
It's funding.

1979
02:53:35,080 --> 02:53:38,180
The part that I don't struggle with is wanting more funding to the rep.

1980
02:53:38,600 --> 02:53:39,480
They do a lot of work.

1981
02:53:39,500 --> 02:53:41,620
I think the arguments will make that they serve more people.

1982
02:53:42,020 --> 02:53:47,180
The part that I struggle with here is the consequence of squeezing small organizations

1983
02:53:47,180 --> 02:53:54,560
is an operational expenditure who are counting on this money and told that it's coming in and

1984
02:53:54,560 --> 02:53:59,640
budget it for it. If we want more money as a board, we want to prioritize this, then we will

1985
02:53:59,640 --> 02:54:06,140
have the opportunity to maybe in the budgeting process, or it's kind of a hoosest to do that,

1986
02:54:06,660 --> 02:54:13,620
if we want a different allocation formula from Kampak, we should have told them three years ago,

1987
02:54:13,620 --> 02:54:16,060
and maybe we can make that ask them moving forward.

1988
02:54:17,360 --> 02:54:19,580
I'm fine with all of that.

1989
02:54:19,660 --> 02:54:24,400
What I'm not okay with is squeezing these small arts organizations

1990
02:54:24,400 --> 02:54:26,380
who have been told to count on this funding,

1991
02:54:26,500 --> 02:54:27,900
who've been budgeting for it.

1992
02:54:28,440 --> 02:54:31,200
And then we just simply don't cut the check

1993
02:54:31,200 --> 02:54:32,560
and we leave them behind dry.

1994
02:54:32,940 --> 02:54:34,240
If we want more money for the rep,

1995
02:54:34,660 --> 02:54:36,320
it would just be going find it.

1996
02:54:36,640 --> 02:54:38,000
But squeezing small organizations

1997
02:54:38,000 --> 02:54:40,420
is just where I struggle with this, thank you.

1998
02:54:41,460 --> 02:54:45,880
understood. Supervisor Connor. Yeah, so I would agree that my

1999
02:54:45,880 --> 02:54:48,700
concern is also that we have already approved with the

2000
02:54:48,700 --> 02:54:52,880
camp pack funding formula was in previous meetings. And so this is

2001
02:54:52,880 --> 02:54:59,440
really just the distribution and while my vote was meant to illuminate

2002
02:54:59,440 --> 02:54:59,960
this.

2003
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:06,420
It's difficult. I am concerned about what has been signed from upshining here. Thank you.

2004
02:55:07,220 --> 02:55:12,760
You know, I think at the end of the day, we're elected officials. And people are coming to us to make decisions.

2005
02:55:12,960 --> 02:55:24,520
And this is where it's a tough decision. We don't have unlimited resources. I would love. And if somebody on finance or somebody on the board, we'd like to take, you know, come up with additional money.

2006
02:55:24,520 --> 02:55:30,440
in the finance committee and allocated to camp pack that we can then look at this

2007
02:55:30,440 --> 02:55:34,860
things again in our December cycle that would be great but if they don't

2008
02:55:34,860 --> 02:55:39,020
want to we have to make it we have to make an allocation on this money and

2009
02:55:39,020 --> 02:55:43,800
nobody we government promises things but they didn't really get you 100% going to

2010
02:55:43,800 --> 02:55:48,100
get this check the six that nobody no group should have thought they were 100%

2011
02:55:48,100 --> 02:55:52,580
going to get this camp pack check but I think do we want to move forward with this

2012
02:55:52,580 --> 02:55:54,660
or do we want to reject it and let Kampak decide?

2013
02:55:55,180 --> 02:55:59,800
Well, let's just also not forget that during last year's budget for the 2025 budget,

2014
02:56:00,320 --> 02:56:04,600
the administration brought down $100,000 less in that line of them.

2015
02:56:04,780 --> 02:56:07,120
I mean, it went from 407 to 307.

2016
02:56:07,400 --> 02:56:09,680
The board, you Nancy voted for the budget.

2017
02:56:10,500 --> 02:56:12,760
All right, we did that knowing there was a 100,000 less.

2018
02:56:13,280 --> 02:56:17,880
And there is nothing that you can do at finance and just like give them a 100,000,

2019
02:56:17,880 --> 02:56:21,820
unless you want to bring in a resolution, not a contingency to do it that way.

2020
02:56:21,820 --> 02:56:31,800
No, well exactly. So this is the this is the amount of money. $307,000 period. All right. We we would reject this fine. I'm not going to vote to reject it

2021
02:56:31,800 --> 02:56:46,700
But if that's what this the will of this committee is it still goes to the board. We can have this debate there. All right, but then if it if it ends up being rejected then can't pack what they have a formula that they're following that they basically said they were going to because we didn't like the old method.

2022
02:56:46,700 --> 02:56:50,460
And so now we're saying today, we don't like this method.

2023
02:56:51,240 --> 02:56:53,740
So what they're supposed to just change it and just say, well, you know,

2024
02:56:53,800 --> 02:56:58,500
these other organizations, these five new ones that are three new ones that applied.

2025
02:56:59,440 --> 02:57:02,760
I mean, Jack's right, like these small organizations are counting on,

2026
02:57:02,760 --> 02:57:05,860
and I guess the bigger organizations, they need it too.

2027
02:57:06,320 --> 02:57:10,020
But we are not going to solve the cultural and arts problem in the state of Wisconsin,

2028
02:57:10,660 --> 02:57:15,800
and whether we're the last in, as a big county in the United States, it is what it is.

2029
02:57:16,440 --> 02:57:21,600
But that's, we all have those decisions to make and what's a priority and mine is sure not in this category.

2030
02:57:22,400 --> 02:57:27,260
Well, mine is supporting organizations and sometimes when there's a crisis going on,

2031
02:57:27,360 --> 02:57:29,660
we have to reallocate and we have to look at things differently.

2032
02:57:30,140 --> 02:57:35,600
And that all small groups, we can't support everybody and everyone's not equal.

2033
02:57:36,380 --> 02:57:37,400
We have to be equitable.

2034
02:57:38,980 --> 02:57:41,940
So, for the discussion, we should take the vote.

2035
02:57:42,980 --> 02:57:44,020
Let's have the vote.

2036
02:57:44,020 --> 02:57:46,020
Mr. Evans, can you explain it?

2037
02:57:48,180 --> 02:57:54,300
The next financial will be, if we move to reject, we are rejecting the current allocation

2038
02:57:55,760 --> 02:58:00,180
and administration of the amounts to the different groups in the current form.

2039
02:58:00,560 --> 02:58:06,900
It would then go back to Campack, Campack would then re-allocate or make a new recommendation

2040
02:58:06,900 --> 02:58:11,680
based on the testimony that they heard today by both committee members and from the public.

2041
02:58:11,680 --> 02:58:16,300
And then they would come back to us in the December with an allocation at that time.

2042
02:58:16,300 --> 02:58:17,980
It could be the same allocation though.

2043
02:58:18,480 --> 02:58:23,480
The allocation amount will be unchanged, but it could be the same amount we could deal with

2044
02:58:23,480 --> 02:58:24,300
that at that point.

2045
02:58:24,400 --> 02:58:25,200
Supervisor Connor.

2046
02:58:26,340 --> 02:58:27,020
Thank you, Chair.

2047
02:58:27,360 --> 02:58:28,200
A point of clarification.

2048
02:58:29,080 --> 02:58:35,640
So if we vote to reject, that doesn't mean that on a full board day, that wouldn't necessarily

2049
02:58:35,640 --> 02:58:37,280
be rejected by the entire board.

2050
02:58:37,340 --> 02:58:40,000
That's just our recommendation for a board day.

2051
02:58:40,100 --> 02:58:40,340
Correct.

2052
02:58:40,340 --> 02:58:47,360
We'll be a big discussion on board day of course. Yes. Thank you. All right. Let's call for the vote.

2053
02:58:48,200 --> 02:58:56,020
On the motion by supervisor Martinez that item number seven be recommended for rejection. Supervisor Taylor district 17.

2054
02:58:56,260 --> 02:58:58,820
No. Cog stones.

2055
02:59:01,070 --> 02:59:01,570
Martinez.

2056
02:59:03,670 --> 02:59:11,150
Eclat. No. Oh, Connor. Hi. Mr. Chairman. Hi.

2057
02:59:12,490 --> 02:59:15,150
for us to know the motion for veils.

2058
02:59:16,710 --> 02:59:17,210
Thank you very much.

2059
02:59:21,320 --> 02:59:21,760
Next item.

2060
02:59:22,840 --> 02:59:23,980
I'm sorry, Mr. Chair.

2061
02:59:25,300 --> 02:59:26,340
Thank you.

2062
02:59:26,560 --> 02:59:27,900
Before you start the next meeting,

2063
02:59:29,220 --> 02:59:32,940
I'd like to ask the big excuse for the remaining of the meeting.

2064
02:59:33,180 --> 02:59:33,580
Absolutely.

2065
02:59:34,240 --> 02:59:35,780
I hope you're feeling well because your voice,

2066
02:59:35,900 --> 02:59:39,220
I don't know if it's just a speaker system or if you're sick.

2067
02:59:39,860 --> 02:59:42,280
Oh, is this the voice?

2068
02:59:42,280 --> 02:59:44,800
Listen, save your voice, your excuse.

2069
02:59:45,560 --> 02:59:46,520
Thank you.

2070
02:59:46,840 --> 02:59:48,180
All right.

2071
02:59:48,800 --> 02:59:50,560
Next item, Ms. Evans.

2072
02:59:52,000 --> 02:59:54,340
Item 8 from the Economic Development Director

2073
02:59:54,340 --> 02:59:56,080
Department of Administrative Services,

2074
02:59:56,240 --> 02:59:59,960
providing an update on the disposition of the Charles Alice Art Museum and Collection.

2075
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:04,080
This item is informational only unless otherwise directed by the committee.

2076
03:00:05,420 --> 03:00:06,060
All right.

2077
03:00:09,520 --> 03:00:14,220
We're saying as a transition of parks department is all leaving at this time.

2078
03:00:14,660 --> 03:00:17,380
We're moving on to our last phase. All right.

2079
03:00:18,440 --> 03:00:26,060
If you'd like to introduce yourselves and your title, we look forward to hearing from you.

2080
03:00:27,380 --> 03:00:34,140
Thank you chair supervisors, Erica Gobley with the Department of Administrative Services Economic Development and the Project Manager

2081
03:00:34,140 --> 03:00:46,380
And then I have with me today the President of the Board of the Charles Alice Art Museum and the new Executive Director if you want to introduce yourselves

2082
03:00:49,510 --> 03:00:51,610
Yes, can you hear me?

2083
03:00:51,770 --> 03:00:52,530
Yes, we can.

2084
03:00:52,590 --> 03:00:53,830
Sorry, this is like a song

2085
03:00:53,830 --> 03:01:02,250
Again, the morning, Marquilla Ellison, board chair for the Charles Dallas Art Museum, and...

2086
03:01:02,250 --> 03:01:08,570
I'm Bill Wood, the new ED of the Charles Dallas Art Museum. Nice to meet you.

2087
03:01:08,930 --> 03:01:09,250
Nice to meet you.

2088
03:01:10,310 --> 03:01:17,590
I think we have an easier item today. It's informational, but I am very pleased to report.

2089
03:01:18,190 --> 03:01:25,850
As you know, in December 2024, we, the county board approved a term sheet that will lead

2090
03:01:25,850 --> 03:01:30,170
to the eventual separation, led to the separation of the Charles Alice Art Museum and the

2091
03:01:30,170 --> 03:01:35,330
Villa Terrace, decorative arts museum, and gave a way forward to make them independent from

2092
03:01:35,330 --> 03:01:35,770
the county.

2093
03:01:36,650 --> 03:01:42,930
In the July cycle, we did an updated report and at that time the committee asked that we

2094
03:01:42,930 --> 03:01:46,910
to come back to report on the progress of the Charles L.S. Art Museum.

2095
03:01:48,670 --> 03:01:54,550
So I'm pleased to say that they are meeting milestones and even exceeding them.

2096
03:01:55,910 --> 03:02:00,990
They met the August 31st deadline, which was just this past Sunday.

2097
03:02:01,490 --> 03:02:03,650
They've hired an executive director.

2098
03:02:05,050 --> 03:02:08,190
They've secured more than eight active board members.

2099
03:02:08,190 --> 03:02:18,770
They've provided the revised business plan operating in the preliminary capital improvement plan and reporting is all there.

2100
03:02:19,530 --> 03:02:31,910
So I wanted to give the president of the board an opportunity to tell you about all of the new things that are happening at the Charles Alice Art Museum and update you on their progress.

2101
03:02:32,650 --> 03:02:35,950
It's so exciting. We're looking forward to your testimony today.

2102
03:02:39,310 --> 03:02:43,410
Thank you. Chairman Wasserman and members of the committee.

2103
03:02:43,730 --> 03:02:44,950
Thank you for being here today.

2104
03:02:45,910 --> 03:02:50,210
I'm excited to share some positive updates on the Charles Atlas Art Museum.

2105
03:02:50,970 --> 03:02:57,330
Over the past three months, we made some strong progress in governance, leadership, fundraising, planning and community engagement.

2106
03:02:57,970 --> 03:03:00,970
Positioning the museum for a long time, long-term sustainability.

2107
03:03:01,790 --> 03:03:08,690
We remain on track to meet the county's year-end benchmarks with clear advances in board development and public engagement.

2108
03:03:08,690 --> 03:03:13,630
Our Board and Interim Executive Director are committed to carrying this moment some

2109
03:03:13,630 --> 03:03:19,730
forward as we prepare for acquisition of property by the end of the year.

2110
03:03:21,010 --> 03:03:25,570
Again, Bill is here with us today. We have new executive leadership. We are pleased to

2111
03:03:25,570 --> 03:03:30,310
announce the selection of Dr. Bill Wood as our Interim Executive Director. He brings

2112
03:03:30,310 --> 03:03:35,790
more than 25 years of experience in museum leadership, collections to worship, and community

2113
03:03:35,790 --> 03:03:41,010
engagement. He will help guide us to our both financial stability and cultural relevance.

2114
03:03:41,350 --> 03:03:42,610
Bill, did you want to say anything?

2115
03:03:45,970 --> 03:03:47,170
Just very briefly.

2116
03:03:49,210 --> 03:03:53,790
This has been an eye-opener. This morning, I've been here since 930.

2117
03:03:55,230 --> 03:03:59,950
We all know the circumstances under which we're meeting and the kinds of challenges the cultural

2118
03:03:59,950 --> 03:04:07,350
institutions are facing, especially right here in Milwaukee. And I'm all in to do my best

2119
03:04:07,350 --> 03:04:11,070
to ensure the vitality and future of the Alice Museum.

2120
03:04:14,190 --> 03:04:14,870
Thank you, Bill.

2121
03:04:15,250 --> 03:04:18,230
I also want to point out, we do have a few board members

2122
03:04:18,870 --> 03:04:21,750
that are part of the virtual meeting,

2123
03:04:22,030 --> 03:04:25,250
but also Thomas Fran, who's also a board member

2124
03:04:25,250 --> 03:04:29,050
and our legal counsel here in case any other questions may come up.

2125
03:04:30,090 --> 03:04:31,870
So just to go through some of those details,

2126
03:04:32,470 --> 03:04:35,570
the Erica shared, our board composition since Spring,

2127
03:04:36,210 --> 03:04:38,290
we have now grown to nine active members.

2128
03:04:38,290 --> 03:04:43,070
You see in the county's venture mark by the end of this month of eight, we have recent

2129
03:04:43,070 --> 03:04:48,330
additions that bring expertise in communications, economics, environmental, and non-profit

2130
03:04:48,330 --> 03:04:49,330
law and fundraising.

2131
03:04:50,070 --> 03:04:54,710
We continue to vet new candidates with backgrounds in fundraising, banking, art appraisal,

2132
03:04:55,070 --> 03:04:59,770
and while also anticipating the feeling of county appointed members as outlined in our

2133
03:04:59,770 --> 03:04:59,970
Bye-bye.

2134
03:05:01,120 --> 03:05:02,860
As far as revenue generating,

2135
03:05:07,180 --> 03:05:32,380
we have successfully achieved our $100,000 revenue goal. And so that was supposed to be met by the end of the year. And here we are, September 1st, able to bring this good news to you. This goal has been met through grants, individual gifts, membership, rentals, gift shop, and events. We are also preparing for a fall fundraiser. He went on September of Apologies on Sunday, November 2nd with the Fulton Chamber Players.

2136
03:05:34,080 --> 03:05:55,360
Governance Planning and Partnership, CABT has strengthened its governance framework with new board agreements, policies, future committee structures, and we are updating our three year business plan, focusing on financial projections, our revenue growth and grant calendar, all these things were also submitted with that August 31st submission as well.

2137
03:05:55,360 --> 03:05:58,200
We're excited to reactivate our rentals.

2138
03:05:58,740 --> 03:06:02,200
The museum has entertained a few different things.

2139
03:06:02,320 --> 03:06:08,480
The program has updated pricing and structure to ensure both sustainability and alignment with our mission.

2140
03:06:09,080 --> 03:06:12,940
We recently confirmed a wedding-booking tied to the Alice Chomber's legacy,

2141
03:06:13,440 --> 03:06:16,900
underscoring how historic site continues to resonate with the community.

2142
03:06:17,700 --> 03:06:22,420
We are also in active discussions with piano arts, North American Composition,

2143
03:06:22,420 --> 03:06:25,240
to host their upcoming competition in May.

2144
03:06:25,940 --> 03:06:28,920
The Alice's Great Hall has a shoebox room design,

2145
03:06:29,180 --> 03:06:30,480
nationally enhancing the clarity

2146
03:06:30,480 --> 03:06:33,680
and creates a warm enveloping sound quality

2147
03:06:33,680 --> 03:06:36,000
that performers and audiences value,

2148
03:06:36,760 --> 03:06:40,460
which is one of many reasons why the child's Alice

2149
03:06:40,460 --> 03:06:42,980
is a gem that should be supported.

2150
03:06:43,720 --> 03:06:45,520
In support of this reactivated program,

2151
03:06:45,720 --> 03:06:47,460
our liquor license has been renewed

2152
03:06:47,460 --> 03:06:49,820
and we have higher dedicated events

2153
03:06:49,820 --> 03:06:52,520
adapt to ensure exceptional guest experiences.

2154
03:06:54,780 --> 03:07:00,200
From January to August, the Charles Alice has had over 1,200 visitors across emissions,

2155
03:07:00,540 --> 03:07:02,060
programming, and rentals.

2156
03:07:02,620 --> 03:07:07,220
We are grateful for the county's continued partnership and warmly invite everyone to join us

2157
03:07:07,220 --> 03:07:12,220
for our upcoming events, which include on Thursday, September 4th, the opening reception

2158
03:07:12,220 --> 03:07:16,600
for Human Condition, a community exhibition around the study of the body.

2159
03:07:16,600 --> 03:07:25,800
Of course, like many museums, we'll be participating in doors open later this month, and we'll love to have you come and check out a few exhibitions before they close.

2160
03:07:26,920 --> 03:07:33,640
In closing, the Charles Alice Art Museum is entering a new era of stability and growth.

2161
03:07:34,020 --> 03:07:40,320
We're clear with clear progress and leadership fundraising, more development and community engagement.

2162
03:07:40,320 --> 03:07:47,140
We remain committed to guiding the allies through a transition from county operated property to an independent nonprofit.

2163
03:07:48,860 --> 03:07:56,220
This update and our August 31st submission affirmed that we are on track for full independence by the end of the year,

2164
03:07:56,560 --> 03:08:01,640
ensuring preservation of the historic home and collection while building a sustainable future.

2165
03:08:02,440 --> 03:08:03,180
Thank you.

2166
03:08:03,880 --> 03:08:05,740
Thank you. Congratulations.

2167
03:08:07,100 --> 03:08:09,160
committee members, questions,

2168
03:08:10,160 --> 03:08:11,420
Supervisor O'Connor.

2169
03:08:12,500 --> 03:08:12,840
Thank you chair.

2170
03:08:12,880 --> 03:08:13,620
Thanks for the report.

2171
03:08:14,000 --> 03:08:14,200
Congratulations.

2172
03:08:14,460 --> 03:08:16,200
I'm meeting your fundraising goals and building

2173
03:08:16,200 --> 03:08:20,020
Edward and congratulations on your new position as the

2174
03:08:20,020 --> 03:08:20,440
ED.

2175
03:08:22,040 --> 03:08:25,860
Could you send us those dates for the Thursday event

2176
03:08:25,860 --> 03:08:29,860
and a times and also for the November second

2177
03:08:29,860 --> 03:08:30,860
fundraiser that be awesome?

2178
03:08:31,440 --> 03:08:34,640
And then I did read with interest your letter on the

2179
03:08:34,640 --> 03:08:38,100
relationship to the museum for the wedding booking. Could you elaborate on that again?

2180
03:08:38,100 --> 03:08:41,180
It sounded like it was employees or something.

2181
03:08:42,080 --> 03:08:47,560
My apologies. So the couple who have been very patient with this full process

2182
03:08:47,560 --> 03:08:54,680
want to get married at the museum. The groom to be comes from a long line of people who worked

2183
03:08:54,680 --> 03:08:59,680
at the Alice Charmers facility. So we're just noting that connection to the legacy.

2184
03:08:59,680 --> 03:09:04,440
So I believe he said his grandfather, great-grandfather, both worked at the facility.

2185
03:09:06,360 --> 03:09:08,880
Thank you. Can I ask a follow-up question, please? Thank you.

2186
03:09:09,400 --> 03:09:13,940
And I know there was some discussion previously about the name of the institution, the

2187
03:09:13,940 --> 03:09:17,340
official 501C3 designation. Has that changed at all?

2188
03:09:18,640 --> 03:09:22,540
So I believe that's been addressed at the last few committee hearings, and we worked with

2189
03:09:22,540 --> 03:09:27,680
Erica to make sure it was understood. The official business name is still CABT museums,

2190
03:09:27,680 --> 03:09:33,240
public facing we just say Charles Alice Art Museums and the intention is to file a

2191
03:09:33,240 --> 03:09:35,420
DBA by the end of the year.

2192
03:09:38,780 --> 03:09:40,120
Other committee members?

2193
03:09:43,480 --> 03:09:45,000
I have a blue card here. I

2194
03:09:45,000 --> 03:09:49,400
don't know if or realize would you like to testify today or would you? Yes, all right.

2195
03:09:49,720 --> 03:09:54,240
I have a blue card from Barbara Villes if you'd like to come up. Did you have Doug Rose

2196
03:09:54,240 --> 03:09:56,440
We'll come in up together.

2197
03:09:57,260 --> 03:09:58,560
We'll come in up.

2198
03:10:00,240 --> 03:10:00,900
Okay,

2199
03:10:03,280 --> 03:10:07,920
may I exist a quick question? Our digital comments read as well, or how does that work?

2200
03:10:09,640 --> 03:10:11,260
No, no, no, no.

2201
03:10:22,840 --> 03:10:23,420
Okay.

2202
03:10:24,200 --> 03:10:29,940
Let me say this again, even though my voice carries.

2203
03:10:29,940 --> 03:10:33,760
Barbara Velaz is speaking that we have a Villa Terrace Museum in Gardens.

2204
03:10:35,240 --> 03:10:42,940
I am on the board on the leadership team and the Principal Fundraiser and my leader here.

2205
03:10:44,360 --> 03:10:44,940
Good afternoon.

2206
03:10:45,640 --> 03:10:46,920
I appreciate the time.

2207
03:10:47,380 --> 03:10:48,600
I'll try to be relatively quick.

2208
03:10:49,440 --> 03:10:53,260
It's very good news that we heard to some extent and we appreciate it.

2209
03:10:53,260 --> 03:10:56,660
And we wish the Charles Alice the best, but I want to be very pragmatic.

2210
03:10:56,660 --> 03:11:01,920
I know this is an informational session, but we don't have another opportunity before perhaps there

2211
03:11:01,920 --> 03:11:04,220
is a development agreement and a lease agreement with the Alice.

2212
03:11:04,820 --> 03:11:10,400
And as these two are intertwined for a long time decades, and the transition to make them

2213
03:11:10,400 --> 03:11:14,300
separate has involved the Veleterus and my focus is entirely on the Veleterus.

2214
03:11:15,100 --> 03:11:19,120
I think there is some positive that has just been heard, but there is some negative as well

2215
03:11:19,120 --> 03:11:20,240
as far as the Veleterus.

2216
03:11:20,700 --> 03:11:26,400
One, there was $30,000 due pursuant to a term sheet that was due in January and has not

2217
03:11:26,400 --> 03:11:35,460
and seen or heard, that stemmed from $130,000 compromise in us handling the weddings going forward.

2218
03:11:35,700 --> 03:11:39,940
Those were deposits for those weddings, so that is something I didn't hear about that

2219
03:11:39,940 --> 03:11:43,700
I do think should be addressed if nothing else in the declaration agreement.

2220
03:11:45,040 --> 03:11:51,400
We do have necessary cooperation with Ms. Leska talk about further regarding a lot of gifts

2221
03:11:51,400 --> 03:11:58,540
donations that were made to the Velaterus that are now needing Charles Alice's group to address

2222
03:11:58,540 --> 03:12:03,240
so that they can be properly given to the Velaterus, Abis Heller, Will, amongst others.

2223
03:12:03,780 --> 03:12:04,880
So that is of concern.

2224
03:12:05,240 --> 03:12:09,980
I have reached out to Marquaila Ellison and Thomas Fren in that regard.

2225
03:12:10,420 --> 03:12:12,620
My hope is that we do get that cooperation.

2226
03:12:13,700 --> 03:12:15,020
It hasn't happened yet, but they've been busy.

2227
03:12:15,220 --> 03:12:17,200
I understand, but our hope is for that.

2228
03:12:17,200 --> 03:12:22,840
I'm a little shocked by the Velatera's name still being used, changing it is extremely

2229
03:12:22,840 --> 03:12:27,720
easy Mr. Friend would know that. I think that should happen quickly. And finally, I've

2230
03:12:27,720 --> 03:12:33,140
heard information perhaps it's a rumor that if, and hopefully this doesn't happen,

2231
03:12:33,320 --> 03:12:37,500
but if something were to happen where the Charles Alice collection could not be properly kept

2232
03:12:37,500 --> 03:12:42,640
by Charles Alice, that they would potentially do a peace meal or somewhere, God knows

2233
03:12:42,640 --> 03:12:50,600
where. When we submitted RFI as a accommodation, literally to this board and others in the community,

2234
03:12:51,360 --> 03:12:56,440
our organization, which I think is doing extremely well and is very capable, is ready

2235
03:12:56,440 --> 03:13:00,500
willing and able to take over that collection if it were to occur. So I'm asking for three

2236
03:13:00,500 --> 03:13:06,220
things very pragmatically. Before any agreement is signed, lease agreement or development

2237
03:13:06,220 --> 03:13:10,900
agreement, that let's make sure that name just changed right away. Let's make sure that we

2238
03:13:10,900 --> 03:13:14,000
have their cooperation for the gifts to the Villa.

2239
03:13:14,040 --> 03:13:17,520
Let's make sure that we at least get the compromise 30,000 sooner

2240
03:13:17,520 --> 03:13:18,440
rather than later.

2241
03:13:18,440 --> 03:13:20,240
This year, 40 next year.

2242
03:13:20,360 --> 03:13:22,440
This 30,000 this year and 40,000 next year,

2243
03:13:22,620 --> 03:13:26,420
which has been agreed upon, and that heaven forbid,

2244
03:13:26,780 --> 03:13:28,800
but if something were to happen where the Alice collection

2245
03:13:28,800 --> 03:13:31,920
is not able to remain intact at the Alice,

2246
03:13:32,280 --> 03:13:34,820
that as we have offered up, and our board

2247
03:13:34,820 --> 03:13:36,580
has made a resolution a long time ago,

2248
03:13:37,220 --> 03:13:38,740
we're ready, willing and able to take it over.

2249
03:13:38,740 --> 03:13:44,700
And that shouldn't be allowed to be anything but in writing in a development agreement and

2250
03:13:44,700 --> 03:13:50,020
a lease agreement that if that eventuality were to happen, we would be in the position

2251
03:13:50,020 --> 03:13:53,940
to take it over as intact and to remain in the county.

2252
03:13:54,620 --> 03:13:56,500
So those are the things we're looking for very pragmatically.

2253
03:13:56,880 --> 03:13:57,860
We wish the Alice best.

2254
03:13:58,200 --> 03:14:02,040
This is my one chance before a development agreement release agreement is entered into

2255
03:14:02,040 --> 03:14:02,620
with the Alice.

2256
03:14:02,960 --> 03:14:04,720
I want to make sure those things are addressed.

2257
03:14:05,180 --> 03:14:06,460
We appreciate that.

2258
03:14:06,460 --> 03:14:11,960
At this point, I want to call up Erica Gobley because she is the person kind of doing these

2259
03:14:11,960 --> 03:14:12,360
negotiations.

2260
03:14:12,360 --> 03:14:18,120
Let's have her respond to this and Alexa have her just publicly, she's going to have those

2261
03:14:18,120 --> 03:14:18,520
concerns.

2262
03:14:18,900 --> 03:14:20,960
So, Erica, if you could come up.

2263
03:14:21,640 --> 03:14:22,780
Can I remain here?

2264
03:14:23,360 --> 03:14:25,480
Because, sure, you could remain there.

2265
03:14:25,880 --> 03:14:26,340
Okay.

2266
03:14:28,960 --> 03:14:29,660
Thank you, Chair.

2267
03:14:29,900 --> 03:14:30,420
Supervisors.

2268
03:14:31,460 --> 03:14:37,940
So, the $30,000, and I've seen the communications between the two organizations.

2269
03:14:37,940 --> 03:14:44,300
And the Charles Alessar Museum, they are just waiting for the finishing of the signing

2270
03:14:44,300 --> 03:14:48,700
of the operating agreement, as you know, our signing process can take a few weeks.

2271
03:14:49,180 --> 03:14:55,360
As soon as that's signed, they are going to cut the check for the $30,000 and Mr.

2272
03:14:55,360 --> 03:14:59,460
front is communicated. His asked I believe for the ACH information.

2273
03:15:01,640 --> 03:15:15,680
From the Villa Terras Museum in Gardens. And they said the $40,000 will not be an issue come January. It's just that they wanted to make sure that there were agreements in place with the county before they started releasing those funds.

2274
03:15:17,080 --> 03:15:24,720
And then the name change, we addressed, they are going by Charles Alice Art Museum,

2275
03:15:27,380 --> 03:15:42,100
they have certain priorities, they will get that done by the end of the year, and I think it's just all of the paperwork that goes with changing the name on everything else, but they are being known as the Charles Alice Art Museum only.

2276
03:15:42,100 --> 03:15:49,520
the money in the GMF fund, that is not under the county's purview.

2277
03:15:52,440 --> 03:15:53,260
The Charles Alice

2278
03:15:53,260 --> 03:15:59,040
Art Museum, their board is very aware of the fact that that money is for the militaries.

2279
03:16:00,460 --> 03:16:06,360
But it's under their organization. I think you'd have to ask them directly if there's

2280
03:16:06,360 --> 03:16:13,840
way to transfer it. But as far as I know, the military just needs to ask for funding with specific

2281
03:16:13,840 --> 03:16:25,020
documentation and the money would be released. The last piece is so what was negotiated in the

2282
03:16:25,020 --> 03:16:33,220
term sheet was that if the Charles Ellis Art Museum did not take transfer of the Charles Ellis

2283
03:16:33,220 --> 03:16:40,480
art museum and collection, that the friends of villitarus, now villitarus, museum and gardens.

2284
03:16:42,200 --> 03:16:49,000
I would be willing to step up if the county asked to take the house and the collection.

2285
03:16:49,420 --> 03:16:55,240
And that was to give the county an option that didn't, that would take the entire collection.

2286
03:16:55,260 --> 03:16:59,220
And we would not have to deal with the house either.

2287
03:17:00,640 --> 03:17:09,460
What they're talking about now is once it's transferred to the Charles Ellis Art Museum Board, the nonprofit,

2288
03:17:10,940 --> 03:17:19,340
that if they should fail in the future, that the villagerous museum and gardens would have the,

2289
03:17:19,340 --> 03:17:26,820
what we talked about at the right of first refusal, if there was, because I explained the first option is that,

2290
03:17:26,820 --> 03:17:31,780
another nonprofit organization was willing to take on the house and collection and keep them

2291
03:17:31,780 --> 03:17:37,300
together. That is the first option under the will. The will lays out like how the collection

2292
03:17:37,300 --> 03:17:43,020
should be dealt with. They wanted Sarah Alice wanted to stay together. So that would be the first

2293
03:17:43,020 --> 03:17:55,400
option. I am not an expert in curating arts, storage. So what I've heard is that there's questions

2294
03:17:55,400 --> 03:18:01,220
of whether the villeterus would be the appropriate place. By people that know a lot more about art

2295
03:18:01,220 --> 03:18:10,380
and collections and storage than I do, I feel that the Charles Ellis Art Museum has the experience

2296
03:18:10,380 --> 03:18:16,800
and knowledge to make the right decision for the collection if they should fail. And one of the

2297
03:18:16,800 --> 03:18:22,620
options under the will is that they really should consider any organization that's willing to take

2298
03:18:22,620 --> 03:18:28,580
the whole collection. That's the, so it's keep the collection and houses first option. Any

2299
03:18:28,580 --> 03:18:33,080
organization that would be willing to take on the entire collection is the second option

2300
03:18:33,080 --> 03:18:39,300
and then peace-meaning it under the will is the last option. Keeping it in the community and then

2301
03:18:39,300 --> 03:18:45,540
further out if you have to. So the Villa Terrace Museum in Guards should be seriously considered but

2302
03:18:45,540 --> 03:18:53,760
At this point, you know, I've talked to the Charles Alice and they aren't ready to commit

2303
03:18:54,620 --> 03:19:01,400
to the Villeterra's Museum in Gardens being having the right-of-first refusal without knowing

2304
03:19:01,400 --> 03:19:03,640
that it's the correct place for the collection.

2305
03:19:07,570 --> 03:19:12,410
There's been a lot of different points brought up and I'm a person who does one thing at

2306
03:19:12,410 --> 03:19:17,030
time before you move forward. Can't get surgery done unless you make your opening and

2307
03:19:17,030 --> 03:19:20,730
session. So it's like the doctor talking here. So it's two one thing I

2308
03:19:20,730 --> 03:19:28,430
time. Let's talk about the first issue. $30,000. Is it $30,000? Am I getting a commitment from

2309
03:19:28,430 --> 03:19:32,930
Charles Ayles giving a $30,000 check in two weeks to the villagers?

2310
03:19:38,280 --> 03:19:39,800
Can I say something about

2311
03:19:39,800 --> 03:19:45,240
that $30,000 as well because I was involved at the ground floor. Mr. Ken was not.

2312
03:19:45,240 --> 03:19:49,300
Well, let me see if I can first speak and then we'll look at it.

2313
03:19:49,460 --> 03:19:59,960
$30,000 only comes as a commitment from the contribution agreement, which we have not been successful in getting the count.

2314
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:08,940
We need to sign. As the chairman, I'm sure the supervisors know any verbal agreement with the county

2315
03:20:08,940 --> 03:20:18,040
isn't worth the paper. It's printed on, because it can't buy on the county. When we get the contribution

2316
03:20:18,040 --> 03:20:28,440
an agreement signed, which commits the county to give us $12,000 this year. We can turn

2317
03:20:28,440 --> 03:20:39,440
over to $30,000. It's in the checking account. Number two, we are fiduciaries under

2318
03:20:39,440 --> 03:20:47,940
chapter 12 of those sconson statutes. What Velaterus has asked us to do is just

2319
03:20:47,940 --> 03:20:56,440
Well, you nearly turn over the $300,000 that we have in

2320
03:20:56,440 --> 03:21:00,280
a Greater Milwaukee Foundation Funds.

2321
03:21:00,280 --> 03:21:04,980
Our answer is they don't own the building yet.

2322
03:21:04,980 --> 03:21:09,780
The county owns it if they give us a contract

2323
03:21:09,780 --> 03:21:14,560
where they are spending money on the building.

2324
03:21:14,560 --> 03:21:17,980
We can pay that contract,

2325
03:21:20,800 --> 03:21:29,140
but what they best for is just write us a check, we got all this work to do well.

2326
03:21:30,140 --> 03:21:41,920
The thing is, we have a fiduciary duty specifically under Section 1211 of the Statutes to control this money.

2327
03:21:41,920 --> 03:21:48,360
And the money is designated for work at the Villa Terrace.

2328
03:21:48,800 --> 03:21:57,340
Now, we turned over over a half a million dollar wedding business to them without compensation.

2329
03:21:59,720 --> 03:22:11,120
In 2024, that wedding business had over a $200,000 cash flow, which Villa Terrace is now getting.

2330
03:22:11,120 --> 03:22:17,400
That money also helped support Charles Dallas, which they object to.

2331
03:22:18,300 --> 03:22:27,080
They also have $800,000 in a savings account according to the last 90, so there should

2332
03:22:27,080 --> 03:22:37,920
be no problem with them having operating funds, which is what this $30,000 was told to us

2333
03:22:37,920 --> 03:22:47,660
out when it was agreed to and they have this 200 grand of cash flow.

2334
03:22:50,350 --> 03:22:51,610
So they can start

2335
03:22:51,610 --> 03:23:00,270
to work with the money they do have and we will reimburse them for the actual work, which

2336
03:23:00,270 --> 03:23:07,650
complies with the two restrictions that we have on this grandma walkie phone.

2337
03:23:07,650 --> 03:23:12,230
I want to interrupt your Mr. Dr. Friend.

2338
03:23:12,930 --> 03:23:14,310
Mr. Friend.

2339
03:23:14,310 --> 03:23:15,290
Okay, Mr. Friend.

2340
03:23:16,190 --> 03:23:18,370
First of all, looks at worth the $30,000.

2341
03:23:19,910 --> 03:23:21,250
And you're coming at the, you know,

2342
03:23:21,570 --> 03:23:24,210
the Colonies promises only as good as a paper.

2343
03:23:24,870 --> 03:23:26,530
I do take on bridge that.

2344
03:23:26,970 --> 03:23:29,450
That's not this board.

2345
03:23:30,110 --> 03:23:34,470
And my colleagues on the super on the board are very honest.

2346
03:23:35,690 --> 03:23:43,190
hardworking citizens who serve the public well and as public citizens we're not going to

2347
03:23:43,190 --> 03:23:47,210
I won't take I won't take that as an insult but we could easily take that as an

2348
03:23:47,210 --> 03:23:50,530
insult because we really are very innocent and we're truthful on how we do

2349
03:23:50,530 --> 03:23:54,650
business now so I'm just going to give you a quick comment on that but when you

2350
03:23:54,650 --> 03:24:00,990
can somewhat insult to us well I knew but that's what the Supreme Court said in

2351
03:24:00,990 --> 03:24:02,450
a bunch of cases.

2352
03:24:02,450 --> 03:24:03,370
Well, I'm a lawyer.

2353
03:24:03,630 --> 03:24:04,550
OK, you're a lawyer.

2354
03:24:04,770 --> 03:24:06,650
And I guess we're also citizens.

2355
03:24:06,910 --> 03:24:08,530
And we work hard to serve on this body.

2356
03:24:08,670 --> 03:24:10,170
And we give our time and effort

2357
03:24:10,170 --> 03:24:12,650
at the rate of a reimbursement is not much.

2358
03:24:13,130 --> 03:24:15,030
So I want to make that quick clarity,

2359
03:24:15,630 --> 03:24:17,550
and we will not take insult on that.

2360
03:24:17,970 --> 03:24:21,010
Second thing is, the $30,000 is very specific.

2361
03:24:21,990 --> 03:24:25,970
The $30,000 is that you're going to give,

2362
03:24:26,390 --> 03:24:28,570
because it's going to be two weeks, right?

2363
03:24:28,570 --> 03:24:31,730
So, as soon as I get the sign contribution.

2364
03:24:32,490 --> 03:24:36,950
And Eric, Eric, go play, is it about to come, is it sign, is it sign?

2365
03:24:36,950 --> 03:24:44,830
Yes, we only have two more signatures before the county executive in the final corporation council signature.

2366
03:24:45,390 --> 03:24:50,450
And then, Ms. Allison will sign, and it will be complete, so it should be less than two weeks.

2367
03:24:50,610 --> 03:24:55,590
Okay, so we have a guarantee that $30,000 is going to be transferred back to $30,000.

2368
03:24:55,590 --> 03:24:59,810
You know, there's a second 40 thousand dollars. Is it am I correct or is that yes?

2369
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:08,380
It's a $40,000 that's doing $26, and that that should not be a problem.

2370
03:25:08,920 --> 03:25:12,680
So that we're getting a guarantee that $40,000 could be transferred over that.

2371
03:25:12,820 --> 03:25:15,180
So that's working, I'll find out, too.

2372
03:25:16,080 --> 03:25:20,100
Now, the two other things, we'll just talk about the money.

2373
03:25:20,380 --> 03:25:25,980
There's $300,000 that amount, when will that be transferred to Erica?

2374
03:25:26,520 --> 03:25:29,540
And I do want to make you a correction.

2375
03:25:30,240 --> 03:25:32,500
I don't think you have to worry about their budget anymore.

2376
03:25:33,420 --> 03:25:35,680
Their budget is their budget, your budget is your budget.

2377
03:25:36,480 --> 03:25:39,400
So even if they have 100,500,500,000 million dollars,

2378
03:25:39,480 --> 03:25:40,720
it doesn't matter to you anymore.

2379
03:25:41,340 --> 03:25:43,160
I mean, you say it like this, and I don't mean to be so direct,

2380
03:25:43,500 --> 03:25:47,180
but that's not the business of Charles Alessanymore.

2381
03:25:48,120 --> 03:25:49,940
Because I do think it's important to correct

2382
03:25:49,940 --> 03:25:53,360
because we want to separate the groups or separate institutions.

2383
03:25:53,360 --> 03:26:06,020
And what we are saying is this money was given to the CABT organization with specific

2384
03:26:06,020 --> 03:26:16,040
restrictions on it. Those restrictions broadly are to use the money for work at

2385
03:26:16,040 --> 03:26:27,180
a terrace. All we are asking for is to pay the money directly for these improvements and

2386
03:26:27,180 --> 03:26:35,440
instead of turning it over and the greater Milwaukee foundation is an agreement with this opinion

2387
03:26:35,440 --> 03:26:42,720
that we shouldn't just turn the money over but we should pay it. So what you're saying specifically

2388
03:26:42,720 --> 03:26:48,080
is you want to pay the contractors directly? Yes. No, that's not what he said. He said he

2389
03:26:48,080 --> 03:26:55,480
wants to have it. I speak to this because this is not correct in for me. Okay. Okay, we have to

2390
03:26:55,480 --> 03:27:01,760
hear this. Okay. You can speak to this, but Erica Gobley is the arbitrator. I'm doing something to do

2391
03:27:01,760 --> 03:27:02,580
with this particular.

2392
03:27:04,640 --> 03:27:12,700
Okay. The county has no per view or control over the greater more

2393
03:27:12,700 --> 03:27:20,000
foundation money, please, which is what I want to speak to. Okay, okay, there are three funds at the

2394
03:27:20,000 --> 03:27:25,120
Great of how is that the Great of Milwaukee Foundation invested by the Great of Milwaukee Foundation

2395
03:27:25,900 --> 03:27:36,060
that were created by the organization CABT, okay, Charles Alice Villeteris.

2396
03:27:37,200 --> 03:27:47,920
However, those three funds, one has over has more than $350,000 in it, another has more

2397
03:27:47,920 --> 03:27:55,140
than $100,000 in it, and another has about 12 to 15,000 in it.

2398
03:27:55,140 --> 03:28:01,400
Those three funds were all clearly earmarked for Billitarus.

2399
03:28:01,920 --> 03:28:10,800
Clearly, there is no controversy about whether or not it was for Billitarus purposes or not.

2400
03:28:11,400 --> 03:28:21,060
However, it was in fact created and deposited by the organization CABT.

2401
03:28:21,060 --> 03:28:29,460
Child's Alice should have absolutely no control over any money that is clearly

2402
03:28:29,460 --> 03:28:31,800
earmarked for Villa Terrace.

2403
03:28:32,120 --> 03:28:39,720
All we request, and I have a meeting with the Greater Bomaki Foundation on Monday, September

2404
03:28:39,720 --> 03:28:50,900
8, is that the Organization CABT, clearly, report to the Greater Mowaki Foundation

2405
03:28:50,900 --> 03:29:01,040
that they effectively no longer exist, or that they effectively absolutely no longer have

2406
03:29:01,040 --> 03:29:10,200
any input or control over money, earmarked, bequested, bequeathed, or donated to

2407
03:29:10,200 --> 03:29:13,760
Villeterus, and for Villeterus purposes.

2408
03:29:13,760 --> 03:29:22,340
Let us work with greater Milwaukee Foundation to function within their protocols and parameters.

2409
03:29:23,020 --> 03:29:26,800
Charles Alice has no business in that conversation anymore.

2410
03:29:27,260 --> 03:29:32,900
That is what we need help from you on because we have asked this repeatedly.

2411
03:29:33,700 --> 03:29:36,500
And for whatever reason it hasn't happened.

2412
03:29:36,500 --> 03:29:41,460
One other thing on this 30,000 and 40,000,

2413
03:29:41,860 --> 03:29:48,980
this is from $150,000 that the Charles Alice kept

2414
03:29:49,500 --> 03:29:55,440
from deposits made by people who had booked events

2415
03:29:55,440 --> 03:29:58,160
to be held at Villa Terrace.

2416
03:29:58,600 --> 03:29:59,960
They are not giving us any gift.

2417
03:30:00,240 --> 03:30:27,160
What we are doing is we compromised with them on the term sheet that Erica Gubley and Celia Benton negotiated with us that we said, okay, give us 70. Give us 30 this year in January of 2025, which we have not yet received, and that money should have been held in escrow. It should have nothing to do with the county giving you money.

2418
03:30:27,160 --> 03:30:32,200
This is money that they collected from deposits,

2419
03:30:32,800 --> 03:30:38,720
of brides and whatever, and whomever wanted to have events at Villeterres.

2420
03:30:38,820 --> 03:30:41,900
That money should have been always in their checking account,

2421
03:30:42,360 --> 03:30:44,880
and it should have been given to us in January.

2422
03:30:45,660 --> 03:30:47,660
So they are in a rears.

2423
03:30:48,320 --> 03:30:51,340
We have purposely tried to be patient.

2424
03:30:51,720 --> 03:30:54,880
We have tried to negotiate with Ms. Ellison.

2425
03:30:54,880 --> 03:30:58,440
We have tried to negotiate with a attorney friend.

2426
03:30:58,740 --> 03:31:01,860
We have tried to negotiate with Claudia Egan,

2427
03:31:01,980 --> 03:31:03,320
who is a former president.

2428
03:31:04,000 --> 03:31:06,060
Can you please just get these two things done?

2429
03:31:06,220 --> 03:31:09,540
And then we will not ever have a problem.

2430
03:31:10,540 --> 03:31:14,420
I think we're going to get the $30,000.

2431
03:31:14,840 --> 03:31:16,560
I'm getting guaranteed within two weeks.

2432
03:31:16,680 --> 03:31:17,660
We'll have the signatures on it.

2433
03:31:17,760 --> 03:31:19,340
Then you're going to get the $30,000.

2434
03:31:19,500 --> 03:31:21,760
You're going to get the $40,000 because it's

2435
03:31:21,760 --> 03:31:26,700
be by the end of your eye, because, you know, handshake, I guess, you're in the back of it.

2436
03:31:26,740 --> 03:31:27,420
It's going to be done.

2437
03:31:27,780 --> 03:31:34,960
Now, ask for a $300,000, what is your response when Bob Woodblas says that you're $300,000,

2438
03:31:35,380 --> 03:31:39,380
the $300,000 and the greater Milwaukee, where's the problem?

2439
03:31:39,600 --> 03:31:39,900
Yeah.

2440
03:31:40,020 --> 03:31:40,540
It's a lot more.

2441
03:31:40,540 --> 03:31:41,540
Thank you so much.

2442
03:31:41,680 --> 03:31:44,460
One, the number goes up every committee here and we have.

2443
03:31:45,000 --> 03:31:51,740
So, just want to note that in this performance today, I am excited that you're

2444
03:31:51,740 --> 03:31:58,880
the friends group is going to meet with GMF to be told the same things. I just want to

2445
03:31:58,880 --> 03:32:04,240
of day some of the things Tom is said we don't want to pay for what they're getting done at the

2446
03:32:04,240 --> 03:32:10,620
villa but we need receipts and contracts so that we can request the funds properly from GMF and that

2447
03:32:10,620 --> 03:32:15,210
we will send them the funds to do as they please. That's how the restrictive funds are set up

2448
03:32:15,210 --> 03:32:18,050
And so we're just honoring that commitment.

2449
03:32:18,850 --> 03:32:22,450
The fund was created and given to CABT intentionally.

2450
03:32:23,950 --> 03:32:25,970
We are not mismanaging funds.

2451
03:32:26,130 --> 03:32:31,690
Those are all questions that be left to GMF, but we need proof, receipts, estimates in

2452
03:32:31,690 --> 03:32:36,650
order to give us enough receipts to give to the GMF to give those funds.

2453
03:32:36,770 --> 03:32:39,930
And so that's what we'll be transferred to them directly to use as needed.

2454
03:32:40,190 --> 03:32:40,530
One second.

2455
03:32:41,370 --> 03:32:43,890
Okay. Okay. One second.

2456
03:32:45,310 --> 03:32:50,790
Erica Gobley or Sheila Benson, do you have any comments from our county's perspective in all

2457
03:32:50,790 --> 03:32:57,050
this contract negotiation? Where is the county's position? Your position on this discussion right now?

2458
03:32:59,290 --> 03:33:05,110
Do we have any role in this at all? Or what is, what is, because when this, when the breakup took place,

2459
03:33:05,210 --> 03:33:08,690
how did the, what took place here? From the counties?

2460
03:33:09,750 --> 03:33:14,370
So again, we are, the county has no control over these funds.

2461
03:33:15,210 --> 03:33:21,650
I did during discussions ask if the fund early on because I knew the relationships

2462
03:33:21,650 --> 03:33:26,450
been difficult, and we knew it was going to be a difficult break up between the two institutions.

2463
03:33:27,250 --> 03:33:31,690
I did ask if the funds could just be transferred to the friends of the bill.

2464
03:33:32,910 --> 03:33:38,130
I didn't ever really get an answer on that, but that's something that I just,

2465
03:33:38,130 --> 03:33:45,730
I don't know, but the county doesn't have the ability to tell C-A-V-T to do this.

2466
03:33:46,850 --> 03:33:50,250
And they've made it clear, they've also said that they are very willing to have maybe

2467
03:33:50,250 --> 03:33:57,450
part of the communications that the Veleterious Museum and Gardens can send the communication

2468
03:33:57,450 --> 03:34:06,450
with proper documentation, including me, to C-A-V-T, and that they will give the money as it

2469
03:34:06,450 --> 03:34:13,030
should be as the fiduciary. They're like the trustee. They have to follow what the funds were

2470
03:34:13,030 --> 03:34:20,650
given to them for and you know, do this with GMF. So it's transparent. They're willing to

2471
03:34:20,650 --> 03:34:27,550
keep me in the process to make sure that these things get done. Haven't paid us. They old us money.

2472
03:34:28,250 --> 03:34:34,150
Would you feel comfortable having that organization in charge of your money when they have not

2473
03:34:34,810 --> 03:34:38,890
It's not mine, it's not mine, it's not yours, it's the bill.

2474
03:34:38,950 --> 03:34:40,930
Okay, here's what I wanted to share.

2475
03:34:41,130 --> 03:34:43,530
Here's your guide as a reporter information here.

2476
03:34:43,870 --> 03:34:45,470
Supervisor Arquatt, we do like to.

2477
03:34:47,250 --> 03:34:47,890
Thank you.

2478
03:34:47,970 --> 03:34:52,610
I would just look for education on what this community's power is in this situation.

2479
03:34:52,770 --> 03:34:54,350
This is an information only file.

2480
03:34:54,790 --> 03:34:58,410
I would move to receive and place on file.

2481
03:34:58,730 --> 03:34:59,970
I don't believe this is.

2482
03:35:00,020 --> 03:35:04,680
Maybe I'm wrong. I don't leave this as a forum to litigate back and forth.

2483
03:35:05,080 --> 03:35:14,060
You're right. We're right to pick that up. I was hoping to get it on the record because we have not had any success at all.

2484
03:35:14,580 --> 03:35:23,540
And so wanted it on the record, we have purposely not resorted to legal to litigation or public outcry.

2485
03:35:24,740 --> 03:35:26,600
We just want this on the record.

2486
03:35:26,780 --> 03:35:32,980
We recognize that your power is limited, but we hope that perhaps you would have it as a

2487
03:35:32,980 --> 03:35:40,040
caveat that they clean up their financial house before you would give them any more support.

2488
03:35:41,220 --> 03:35:43,240
I think here's where it comes down to.

2489
03:35:43,540 --> 03:35:47,320
This is not, and we do not have authority over the break up.

2490
03:35:47,320 --> 03:35:48,640
This aspect of the breakup.

2491
03:35:48,860 --> 03:35:51,400
The $30,000, the $40,000, yes we do.

2492
03:35:51,840 --> 03:35:52,980
We have a role in that.

2493
03:35:54,640 --> 03:36:01,060
In terms of the estate, and what happens with this state and the property and associated with

2494
03:36:01,060 --> 03:36:04,860
culture, it's not for today's argument. Nothing we don't have to deal with the collection

2495
03:36:04,860 --> 03:36:10,040
at all today. There's nothing pressing because things are moving forward with their organization.

2496
03:36:10,820 --> 03:36:16,440
But in terms of the $300,000, I think the best thing to do is you work with Erica Gobley as an

2497
03:36:16,440 --> 03:36:21,240
arbitrator, try to work with her, and if it doesn't work out, I think you're going to be in court.

2498
03:36:22,420 --> 03:36:26,880
So, simple as that, go to court and I don't think it's the best way to go, but I think

2499
03:36:26,880 --> 03:36:27,500
you go to court.

2500
03:36:27,540 --> 03:36:28,840
It's what we tried to avoid.

2501
03:36:29,000 --> 03:36:29,300
Exactly.

2502
03:36:29,460 --> 03:36:30,000
It's what you wrote.

2503
03:36:30,480 --> 03:36:30,880
Good, good.

2504
03:36:34,600 --> 03:36:37,560
You'll get to decide whether you enter into a development agreement or a lease agreement.

2505
03:36:38,540 --> 03:36:43,060
It was you feel comfortable with an organization that won't return my phone call that

2506
03:36:43,060 --> 03:36:46,960
I sent an email and they say won't be with you right now that we say how about the $30,000

2507
03:36:46,960 --> 03:36:47,800
back in January.

2508
03:36:47,980 --> 03:36:51,640
And the response I get is we have to wait for the development agreement when it was

2509
03:36:51,640 --> 03:36:56,420
wedding deposit money where we went forward this is in the time for a fight I agree

2510
03:36:56,420 --> 03:37:00,480
but I want to let you know I do think you have the authority and this needs to be raised

2511
03:37:00,480 --> 03:37:04,900
now because you're about to enter into a development agreement lease agreement work you will

2512
03:37:04,900 --> 03:37:08,940
lose all control over all of this and there are going to be constituents who won't be happy.

2513
03:37:09,380 --> 03:37:09,800
All right, I hear.

2514
03:37:11,300 --> 03:37:13,020
Supervisor Taylor, I've been patient enough.

2515
03:37:13,060 --> 03:37:18,080
I mean here's the thing I've been sitting here listening to this, the facial expressions,

2516
03:37:18,720 --> 03:37:23,680
And the Shaken of the heads. I mean you guys cannot stand each other. It is so clear.

2517
03:37:24,640 --> 03:37:28,620
So Erika is the saint on this to have to deal with both of you.

2518
03:37:28,880 --> 03:37:32,340
You guys are, you know, I mean, I mean, I mean, seriously, both sides awful, awful.

2519
03:37:32,900 --> 03:37:35,280
Okay. And I'm sitting here watching this.

2520
03:37:35,640 --> 03:37:41,500
And I'm actually, like, please come in and hear Charles Atlas, actually they're doing certain things.

2521
03:37:41,640 --> 03:37:45,960
They're movin' in the right direction. If you had told me three months ago I thought you guys would be dead in the water.

2522
03:37:45,960 --> 03:37:51,460
The fact is they're actually working and trying to get somewhere this this is a this is

2523
03:37:51,460 --> 03:37:56,580
of not just a bad divorce. It's a nightmare of a divorce, okay? And I mean like that's

2524
03:37:56,580 --> 03:38:02,800
a little bit and just like if you want to go to court go to court do it. Do it. No exactly

2525
03:38:02,800 --> 03:38:07,660
so so to understand I wouldn't take your colleague they're probably if I was in their shoes

2526
03:38:07,660 --> 03:38:12,400
in vice versa. So I think Erica should just kind of be that neutral party trying to get

2527
03:38:12,400 --> 03:38:17,340
done, she's coming to this county board, this committee trying to say, here's where we're

2528
03:38:17,340 --> 03:38:17,660
at.

2529
03:38:17,820 --> 03:38:21,440
There's going to be a future agreement, and I'm, of course, if I don't think they're

2530
03:38:21,440 --> 03:38:24,540
going to build a pole up, why would I want to give them any money from what I can count.

2531
03:38:24,540 --> 03:38:27,880
I made that clear over and over, but the fact that they actually are in the right direction,

2532
03:38:27,880 --> 03:38:30,400
I make me feel good that they took it serious, okay?

2533
03:38:30,900 --> 03:38:32,400
And yeah, get the damn name changed.

2534
03:38:32,680 --> 03:38:33,480
Get it changed.

2535
03:38:34,060 --> 03:38:34,240
All right.

2536
03:38:34,480 --> 03:38:35,500
That's a burden.

2537
03:38:35,700 --> 03:38:37,980
I mean, I can see shaking your head, nonstop.

2538
03:38:38,120 --> 03:38:38,680
Oh, my God.

2539
03:38:38,960 --> 03:38:42,220
Actually, I don't want to make you feel bad, but I happen to have them.

2540
03:38:42,220 --> 03:38:47,480
Well, condition that condition my head makes you go. Okay, well, that's good to know. I apologize

2541
03:38:47,480 --> 03:38:53,000
Servicants, Tony is what it's called, but it's just but the facial expressions are that's a whole nurse

2542
03:38:53,000 --> 03:38:56,540
So yeah, so let's just let's just move on from this

2543
03:38:57,120 --> 03:39:02,800
Keep plugging along Erica's there, Celia there, and hopefully we're not going to see you guys too many more times

2544
03:39:02,800 --> 03:39:07,240
I would like to correct what I don't want to

2545
03:39:07,240 --> 03:39:12,180
If you can do it quickly. Yes, the deposits one fact on

2546
03:39:12,220 --> 03:39:22,060
because we had to take the time and trouble to sign these people up and we had to keep the facility

2547
03:39:22,060 --> 03:39:26,880
going in preparation for the wedding. It was only 25%.

2548
03:39:26,880 --> 03:39:34,540
We're fine with that. One quick question. The 59% you 59% percent secured on the loan. This specifically

2549
03:39:34,540 --> 03:39:42,040
for Charles Allison question. I was just reading my notes it's 59% secured of the $100,000

2550
03:39:42,040 --> 03:39:51,140
or well we got a major gift last week that put us over 100. Okay, so I just wanted to make sure

2551
03:39:51,140 --> 03:39:51,880
that's. Yeah,

2552
03:39:54,500 --> 03:39:59,140
that was a update from like a month or so ago. Sounds good. All right.

2553
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:08,220
I think I do want everyone to know and I think we're hearing this from my committee members. Is this name change? Can't wait till December 31st.

2554
03:40:08,800 --> 03:40:12,240
I just, I know you have a lot of things on your plate. Go ahead.

2555
03:40:14,640 --> 03:40:27,000
So of course, when you guys read that August 31st benchmark, where's small group? The capacity has just risen. This is definitely a topic, but it's something we have to take back to GMF.

2556
03:40:27,000 --> 03:40:29,580
what are the issues in us changing the name,

2557
03:40:29,900 --> 03:40:31,600
what does being the trustee of those funds?

2558
03:40:31,640 --> 03:40:33,760
They're just a few other things we want to make sure

2559
03:40:33,760 --> 03:40:34,640
are an alignment.

2560
03:40:35,660 --> 03:40:37,680
If there, I will respond back to your email dug.

2561
03:40:37,680 --> 03:40:39,180
If there is anywhere public facing

2562
03:40:39,180 --> 03:40:43,400
where you fill is conflicted, it still says the ABC Museums,

2563
03:40:43,520 --> 03:40:44,320
we can fix that.

2564
03:40:44,440 --> 03:40:46,200
We want to care both organizations.

2565
03:40:47,820 --> 03:40:50,720
So if there are any specific front facing issues,

2566
03:40:50,820 --> 03:40:52,960
we don't mind making that adjustment issues,

2567
03:40:53,060 --> 03:40:55,420
say Charles Alice, Art Museum, or the Alice.

2568
03:40:55,960 --> 03:41:04,000
But until the end of the year, once we get the chance to review how this name change will affect our accounts and the other things that we have, we need the time.

2569
03:41:04,480 --> 03:41:15,840
Okay. Just hear it from us. Every one of our members of our committee are saying very strongly and very clearly, the sooner you change, the better it is for everybody.

2570
03:41:15,840 --> 03:41:22,200
And we're saying this in a nice way, because we want you to be associated clearly with Charles

2571
03:41:22,200 --> 03:41:25,460
Alice, and we want them to be the Velotarist.

2572
03:41:26,360 --> 03:41:28,680
So, but the sooner we make the change, I think everyone's going to be happier.

2573
03:41:30,380 --> 03:41:38,240
So, is there anybody else who'd like to talk about this or we could, all right, there is

2574
03:41:38,240 --> 03:41:44,500
a motion, a receive and place and file by Supervisor Eckblatt, it doesn't really change

2575
03:41:44,500 --> 03:41:53,220
but one we call the role and any further discussion, seeing none, we're going to finish us,

2576
03:41:53,420 --> 03:41:57,040
I think you guys have a game plan. I think they have a game plan, like it's just finish up,

2577
03:41:57,160 --> 03:42:01,200
like skip those contracts, it could go a place, it could be an arbitrator. She's great,

2578
03:42:01,380 --> 03:42:06,140
we all agree that we like her and that she's good at what she does. She has silly of back there,

2579
03:42:06,360 --> 03:42:11,260
it's your back up work, like stay out of the courts, like stay out of the press, like move these

2580
03:42:11,260 --> 03:42:16,360
museum's forward and looks all be winners. This happens is called the role. Thank you.

2581
03:42:17,440 --> 03:42:26,140
On the motion by supervisor Eckblad that I don't number eight be recommended to be received and placed on file supervisor Taylor District 17. Mark. Excuse me.

2582
03:42:26,780 --> 03:42:32,040
Cogs Jones. Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. My Tina's. Hi.

2583
03:42:32,980 --> 03:42:37,980
Eckblad. Hi. O'Connor. Hi. Mr. Chairman. Hi.

2584
03:42:37,980 --> 03:42:42,960
five eyes zero nose the motion prevails all right congratulations to both

2585
03:42:42,960 --> 03:42:50,210
organizations we wish you the best all right all right

2586
03:42:52,610 --> 03:42:56,890
all right all right we just

2587
03:42:56,890 --> 03:43:05,330
take a group let me just take us like 30 seconds clear the room and everyone

2588
03:43:07,670 --> 03:43:08,990
On set off?

2589
03:43:10,750 --> 03:43:11,590
I do.

2590
03:43:12,250 --> 03:43:13,110
I do.

2591
03:43:13,250 --> 03:43:13,510
I really do.

2592
03:43:26,860 --> 03:43:27,060
Okay.

2593
03:43:27,060 --> 03:43:27,840
All right.

2594
03:43:33,170 --> 03:43:36,950
This evidence, I think, is time to read our last item on the agenda besides e-commerce.

2595
03:43:37,810 --> 03:43:42,190
Item 9, from the Economic Development Director Department of Administrative Services,

2596
03:43:42,250 --> 03:43:46,150
providing an informational report on the preservation of the Milwaukee County collection,

2597
03:43:46,590 --> 03:43:51,130
and the disposition process for surplus property during the Milwaukee Public Museum transition.

2598
03:43:51,130 --> 03:43:55,130
The item is informational only on the otherwise directed by the committee.

2599
03:43:56,350 --> 03:43:58,110
Good afternoon, Chairman Supervisors.

2600
03:43:58,370 --> 03:44:03,370
I am a sub-government director of Economic Development and the Department of Administrative Services.

2601
03:44:04,110 --> 03:44:09,810
And I am an aircogable by a project manager in economic development Department of Administrative Services.

2602
03:44:11,110 --> 03:44:15,090
And I am Ellen Sonsky. Sorry. My third is.

2603
03:44:15,090 --> 03:44:15,350
everybody.

2604
03:44:18,690 --> 03:44:22,170
President and CEO of the Milwaukee Public Museum.

2605
03:44:23,090 --> 03:44:28,870
Welcome. I'm sorry that you're the last one today. I've been very gracious if you're

2606
03:44:28,870 --> 03:44:34,770
why would you last? I wanted you to have like private space talking about this and

2607
03:44:34,770 --> 03:44:40,970
you know our full attention. The other aspect as I've been reminded that I've always put

2608
03:44:40,970 --> 03:44:46,010
MPM first at some of the other agendas. So, today we'll go last so we can be fair and be

2609
03:44:46,010 --> 03:44:52,110
equitable and we'll remember this in the future when we move you up. So, with that,

2610
03:44:53,230 --> 03:44:55,310
I'd love to have your statement today.

2611
03:44:55,990 --> 03:44:56,630
Thank you, Chairman.

2612
03:44:57,050 --> 03:44:59,950
We are here today to provide an overview of the disposition.

2613
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:07,620
Motion process for non-collection items during the Milwaukee Public Museum transition to a new museum, new location.

2614
03:45:08,580 --> 03:45:14,720
The building is going up. The museum has met the criteria for a $45 million investment

2615
03:45:14,720 --> 03:45:25,240
and our county collection will be preserved for future generations. This new museum is an act of preservation, stewardship and progress.

2616
03:45:25,240 --> 03:45:41,300
Our immediate focus moving forward is on partnering with the museum on a transparent process for the disposition of non-collection items and on performing due diligence for the future of the existing museum once the museum has moved.

2617
03:45:42,360 --> 03:45:50,380
We know that change can be difficult and we have managed all responsibilities with transparency and professionalism.

2618
03:45:50,380 --> 03:45:58,160
Given this, I am highly concerned about the inaccurate statements that have been made on multiple occasions by members of the public.

2619
03:45:59,020 --> 03:46:00,200
Here are the facts.

2620
03:46:00,940 --> 03:46:05,620
The county owns and will continue to own the museum collection.

2621
03:46:06,680 --> 03:46:13,760
Monkey Public Museum is conducting their move in accordance with the American Alliance of Museum's Accreditation Standards.

2622
03:46:14,900 --> 03:46:23,780
Rocky County's legal agreement and governance approvals and professional museum standards continue to guide this process.

2623
03:46:25,000 --> 03:46:33,560
There has been no change to county ownership of the collection and no violation of the 2013 lease, which brings us here today.

2624
03:46:34,320 --> 03:46:41,420
In the spirit of transparency, I will hand it over to Erica to discuss the process for the disposition of non-collection items.

2625
03:46:43,660 --> 03:46:45,540
Thank you, Director Benton.

2626
03:46:46,100 --> 03:46:47,840
We have a PowerPoint.

2627
03:46:47,960 --> 03:46:48,940
If it pleases a committee?

2628
03:47:10,440 --> 03:47:12,080
If you've driven by a sixth and mechanically,

2629
03:47:12,860 --> 03:47:15,580
you can see the progress on the new museum.

2630
03:47:16,160 --> 03:47:18,260
The Museum of Nature and Culture of Wisconsin.

2631
03:47:18,700 --> 03:47:21,040
This is a once in a generation opportunity,

2632
03:47:21,360 --> 03:47:23,620
not just for Milwaukee, but for the entire state.

2633
03:47:24,100 --> 03:47:26,080
The new building will allow the county's collections

2634
03:47:26,080 --> 03:47:27,840
to be cared for properly,

2635
03:47:28,300 --> 03:47:31,800
and to make sure this institution continues to serve future generations.

2636
03:47:36,040 --> 03:47:42,540
The museum has always evolved to meet the communities, to meet the needs of the community and the times.

2637
03:47:43,040 --> 03:47:50,500
It began in the late 1800s, and then eventually moved to its first location that was just for the collection,

2638
03:47:51,500 --> 03:47:53,980
which we now know of as central library.

2639
03:47:54,700 --> 03:48:00,360
And then to its current location, I don't know if we have a name for that one.

2640
03:48:00,360 --> 03:48:06,520
just the Milwaukee Public Museum. And then it moved from under the city's

2641
03:48:06,520 --> 03:48:13,200
purview to the county in 1976 to 1992. And in 1992, Milwaukee County

2642
03:48:13,200 --> 03:48:17,480
entrusted the management of the collection to the Milwaukee Public

2643
03:48:17,480 --> 03:48:22,640
Museum, the nonprofit that was created in 1992 and has cared for

2644
03:48:22,640 --> 03:48:29,220
our collection for 32 years. I think they have done an excellent job.

2645
03:48:29,220 --> 03:48:31,820
I know that my family loves going to the museum

2646
03:48:38,540 --> 03:48:43,800
so why why the move we've talked about this many times

2647
03:48:43,800 --> 03:48:50,300
but just quickly to go over these are pictures of the current state of the building. The current building

2648
03:48:50,300 --> 03:48:57,480
bill beloved is outdated and unable to support modern museum needs. It has serious infrastructure

2649
03:48:57,480 --> 03:49:02,740
challenges and extremely costly to maintain simply put the building is holding back the museum's

2650
03:49:02,740 --> 03:49:10,640
potential. By moving, we'll ensure that our collections are preserved safely and that we can offer

2651
03:49:10,640 --> 03:49:15,640
the museum can offer new and exciting experiences for visitors and it remains sustainable for

2652
03:49:15,640 --> 03:49:22,180
decades to come. When complete, the county will no longer bear the substantial operational and

2653
03:49:22,180 --> 03:49:27,600
capital costs associated with the current building, resulting in an annual operating savings of

2654
03:49:27,600 --> 03:49:36,000
$2.5 million a year. We're talking finances, we know how much that means, and tens of millions in capital.

2655
03:49:36,640 --> 03:49:44,280
The studies from 2015, 2016, 2018, all of the studies have pointed out the $100 million

2656
03:49:44,280 --> 03:49:52,000
plus in deferred maintenance, needed updates, things that were needed in the near future.

2657
03:49:52,300 --> 03:49:54,820
It's an expensive building to maintain.

2658
03:49:57,060 --> 03:49:59,960
With that context in mind, I'd like to know.

2659
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:11,200
Invite President and CEO Ellen Sensky to share more about the detailed packing and moving and preservation process that will bring these collections safely into their new home.

2660
03:50:11,460 --> 03:50:27,840
Thank you, and I know that it's been a long day, so I will try to keep this brief. If we move to the next slide, we have not, no, no, back one, there we go.

2661
03:50:27,840 --> 03:50:35,740
This isn't the first time that we have moved the museum and this was just some pictures

2662
03:50:35,740 --> 03:50:40,380
of moving when we were at the library and then moving across the street.

2663
03:50:40,880 --> 03:50:44,940
Now of course we're moving a little bit further away and we would say that this is probably

2664
03:50:44,940 --> 03:50:49,180
not the way we're going to move these collections on the back of a pickup.

2665
03:50:50,260 --> 03:51:00,180
But one thing that we are doing too is we're moving far more of far many more collections than we had in the 1960s.

2666
03:51:01,400 --> 03:51:07,820
Just as a reminder, the county collections are comprised of all of these different entities.

2667
03:51:08,840 --> 03:51:17,300
So a million plus insects and invertebrates, 800,000 fossils, 300,000 plants, 800,000 vertebrates.

2668
03:51:17,300 --> 03:51:33,580
And then about 220,000 cultural objects that come from around the world, another 280,000 historical items, and a half a million potchards, most of them from Syria, from the Teladidi site.

2669
03:51:35,500 --> 03:51:43,180
So, what we are doing as we move, this is just to give you a scope on how we are planning this.

2670
03:51:43,840 --> 03:51:52,620
So, as we look at the exhibits, we have already determined which of the collections that are on exhibit currently will go on exhibit in the new museum.

2671
03:51:52,620 --> 03:52:03,160
And you can see the document sheet on the right of this slide, that document sheet is being done for every single one of those items.

2672
03:52:03,680 --> 03:52:14,040
So that we can document what it will take to de-install them, what kind of conservation they need, and what it will take to pack, and then move them.

2673
03:52:14,040 --> 03:52:23,460
So if you look at the Gilbert Island Warrior, which is going on exhibit in the new museum,

2674
03:52:23,460 --> 03:52:28,460
that actually has six exhibit collection items on it.

2675
03:52:28,920 --> 03:52:36,480
So each of those have been examined and assessed for their fragility for what it would take to

2676
03:52:36,480 --> 03:52:43,320
pack them, and to DN Stahl, just this one object and packet, is over 40 hours of time.

2677
03:52:43,320 --> 03:52:49,940
So this is the kind of assessment that we are doing for each of those collection items.

2678
03:52:51,460 --> 03:52:58,640
We will also to de-install this exhibit means we have to take the glass out of this because

2679
03:52:58,640 --> 03:53:08,120
it is impossible to remove that one mannequin with the materials on it through the tiny door

2680
03:53:08,120 --> 03:53:11,660
that is how we access that exhibit.

2681
03:53:12,400 --> 03:53:15,760
So we will have to be install the glass on this in order

2682
03:53:15,760 --> 03:53:18,260
to take it out, which means we'll have to be

2683
03:53:18,260 --> 03:53:22,480
install all of the collection items at that time.

2684
03:53:23,800 --> 03:53:29,280
We are also working on packing up all of the collections

2685
03:53:29,280 --> 03:53:30,640
that are behind the scenes.

2686
03:53:31,020 --> 03:53:33,980
Today, we've packed over half a million specimens.

2687
03:53:33,980 --> 03:53:44,800
that includes things from birds to ancient history potchards to some historical items.

2688
03:53:45,220 --> 03:53:51,920
And of course, each of the collections has a different way of packing, and a different thing that we address.

2689
03:53:52,340 --> 03:54:02,080
So, for birds, we can actually kind of surround them into the drawers that are in for history collections, if we move to the next.

2690
03:54:02,840 --> 03:54:10,260
They actually require much more care, and so this is looking inside one of those crates that is packed.

2691
03:54:10,580 --> 03:54:24,680
What we are doing for every one of the collection items is barcoding them, so that we can tie the information for the collection that is in the catalog to this object through that barcode.

2692
03:54:25,200 --> 03:54:32,560
Each of them we have to, each of those objects we have to examine and figure out what is the exact way that we should pack it.

2693
03:54:32,840 --> 03:54:38,860
What should we pack it with so that if we have some off-course guessing going on, it doesn't impact the others.

2694
03:54:39,420 --> 03:54:42,660
So this is a monumental task.

2695
03:54:43,480 --> 03:54:50,840
And what we have done is hired an additional 23 museum studies graduates who are helping us to do this.

2696
03:54:50,840 --> 03:54:56,200
So we are employing a number of people in the museum world through this process.

2697
03:54:57,660 --> 03:54:59,920
So that's just kind of a brief overview.

2698
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:06,560
So of the packing process for packing up this museum and moving it to the new museum.

2699
03:55:09,470 --> 03:55:19,610
Thank you. I think monumental is the word for this move. If anyone's moved apartments, moved houses, you know how much work it is.

2700
03:55:19,610 --> 03:55:27,190
And this is 400,000 square feet, 4 million objects of importance in the county collection.

2701
03:55:27,190 --> 03:55:30,750
And I just want to go back to this one slide.

2702
03:55:31,330 --> 03:55:36,550
So six items that were on display, 40 hours of staff time.

2703
03:55:37,090 --> 03:55:42,570
That's why I'm saying today like this is about preservation of the county collection.

2704
03:55:43,030 --> 03:55:49,310
Those items that belong to Milwaukee County and are being cared for by the Milwaukee

2705
03:55:49,310 --> 03:55:50,030
Public Museum.

2706
03:55:50,110 --> 03:55:55,130
And this is how much care they're putting into it and how much time it takes to move the

2707
03:55:55,130 --> 03:56:03,190
artifacts and the the meaningful pieces in the county collection so that comes to brings

2708
03:56:03,190 --> 03:56:11,810
us to collections collection items versus non collection items and it's been confusing for

2709
03:56:11,810 --> 03:56:19,510
people but I want to try to try to ease that confusion by going through this

2710
03:56:21,560 --> 03:56:22,380
and by actually

2711
03:56:22,380 --> 03:56:29,000
looking at examples. So collection items are the artifacts, specimens, and objects that are

2712
03:56:29,000 --> 03:56:35,020
part of Milwaukee County's permanent collection. They're carefully documented. I always say

2713
03:56:35,020 --> 03:56:40,520
this word wrong, a session, a session, a session, a session and stewarded for the public

2714
03:56:40,520 --> 03:56:47,460
good. They're the heart of the museum. They're what's traveled with when they were at central

2715
03:56:47,460 --> 03:56:53,660
library and before that, this is everything that's been collected over 140 years.

2716
03:56:54,080 --> 03:56:59,120
And these, they're the heart of museum, and they're going to be moving to the new facility.

2717
03:56:59,380 --> 03:57:00,740
And I want to make that clear.

2718
03:57:01,140 --> 03:57:07,120
The collection items are all moving either into storage or moving to the new museum.

2719
03:57:07,520 --> 03:57:12,720
And the only exception would be those items that are so damaged that they might have to

2720
03:57:12,720 --> 03:57:20,540
de-accession, which would be through the county collection policy that governs how the county's

2721
03:57:20,540 --> 03:57:26,360
collection is taken care of and the museum would report to us about those items that aren't

2722
03:57:26,360 --> 03:57:32,980
able to go with. Now we have non-collection items. These are the things that are the props,

2723
03:57:33,380 --> 03:57:39,680
the scenic backdrops, the mannequins, display furniture, and other materials that help tell the

2724
03:57:39,680 --> 03:57:46,040
stories, but are not themselves part of the county's collection. They put the collection on display.

2725
03:57:46,140 --> 03:57:52,840
They tell the stories that our collection holds. These non-collection items are what we are focusing on today.

2726
03:57:54,100 --> 03:58:01,880
So one of the examples is the Apothecary. The vast majority of items in the Apothecary are part of the Milwaukee County

2727
03:58:01,880 --> 03:58:09,800
collection. And this will be a big move to the new museum. Some of them being stored and

2728
03:58:09,800 --> 03:58:11,620
some of them on exhibit in the new museum.

2729
03:58:14,460 --> 03:58:17,180
So now we have the candy store. Just to give examples

2730
03:58:17,180 --> 03:58:21,520
of what this looks like. The highlighted items, if you see they're highlighted in blue,

2731
03:58:21,760 --> 03:58:24,100
all part of the Milwaukee County collection.

2732
03:58:26,200 --> 03:58:27,980
And then they said the blue perilous candy

2733
03:58:27,980 --> 03:58:33,560
10s will be on display in the hay market candy store in the new museum and these outlined

2734
03:58:33,560 --> 03:58:40,120
and pink are non-collection items that are used to display the collection items so the

2735
03:58:40,120 --> 03:58:46,820
wooden stand, the candy dots, bag of candy on the scale, candy cigarettes, those are the types

2736
03:58:46,820 --> 03:58:54,440
of items that constitute non-collection items. More examples so you can imagine how much of

2737
03:58:54,440 --> 03:59:00,100
there is throughout the museum. This is just a handful of pictures of fruits that are not

2738
03:59:00,100 --> 03:59:07,660
part of the collection, and then all the plants throughout the museum that are used to display

2739
03:59:07,660 --> 03:59:13,320
the collection, but are not part of the collection. These are non-collection items. And that's

2740
03:59:13,320 --> 03:59:19,080
what we are talking about when we talk about the disposition plan today. Also the facades, the brick

2741
03:59:19,080 --> 03:59:25,880
besides those are if it's attached to the building, it belongs to Milwaukee County.

2742
03:59:27,260 --> 03:59:35,580
And there are some cases where it might be a part of the collection item like possibly a window or a door

2743
03:59:35,580 --> 03:59:41,540
that are part of the collection and those would be moving with the museum either to storage or to the new museum.

2744
03:59:42,060 --> 03:59:47,440
But most of the things that are fixed to the building still belong to Milwaukee County.

2745
03:59:49,650 --> 03:59:52,910
So now we'll get into the disposition plan.

2746
03:59:54,290 --> 03:59:59,670
What happens to the non-collection items that are not moving to the new museum or moving to storage?

2747
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:29,300
And I want to thank President and CEO, Ellen Sensky and all her staff. They have spent many hours working with the county, showing us the collections, explaining the exhibits and the props and walking through the museum, and I know that many county supervisors have also walked through the museum. This with this monumental move going out. They are always willing to take time to work with the county and make sure that they are completely transparent in this process.

2748
04:00:30,000 --> 04:00:33,120
And that's what we're working with for the guiding principles.

2749
04:00:34,540 --> 04:00:38,420
These Milwaukee Public Museum non-collection items.

2750
04:00:39,020 --> 04:00:41,820
We're looking at guiding principles of transparency,

2751
04:00:42,260 --> 04:00:45,720
public benefit, efficiency, and public safety.

2752
04:00:48,840 --> 04:00:50,540
So this is the disposition priority.

2753
04:00:51,580 --> 04:00:57,260
And the disposition plan is attached to this file,

2754
04:00:57,460 --> 04:00:58,900
so with more details.

2755
04:00:58,900 --> 04:01:05,720
MPM retains ownership of all personal property and that would be non-collection items not

2756
04:01:05,720 --> 04:01:10,980
affixed to or integrated into the building structure and not part of the collection.

2757
04:01:11,940 --> 04:01:16,800
They have the authority to sell lease transfer or otherwise dispose of such property in

2758
04:01:16,800 --> 04:01:23,260
the best interest of the museum and this was part of the 1992 lease and it's part of the 2013

2759
04:01:23,260 --> 04:01:29,240
least. This is not changed in 32 years. And the museum, even though it's under their

2760
04:01:29,240 --> 04:01:33,240
purview, has worked closely with Milwaukee County to make sure that this is a

2761
04:01:33,240 --> 04:01:37,160
transparent process and that the public is aware of what's going on with those

2762
04:01:37,160 --> 04:01:42,700
non-collection items that won't be moving with the museum. So the first thing is

2763
04:01:42,700 --> 04:01:48,560
of course, if the museum can use it, they are taking it. So repurposed by Milwaukee

2764
04:01:48,560 --> 04:01:53,600
public museum into the new museum and possibly some in storage.

2765
04:02:00,000 --> 04:02:08,540
Some of the things which we might use in the future in future exhibits will retain too.

2766
04:02:09,640 --> 04:02:13,100
And then the next, we'll be the Milwaukee County Department.

2767
04:02:14,420 --> 04:02:21,100
So again, keeping it in Milwaukee County for the public, if it all possible, those non-collection items.

2768
04:02:21,100 --> 04:02:31,520
And Milwaukee County Parks has already reached out to talk about the process, so for opportunities to look at, you know, whether it could go to the domes or to other parks locations.

2769
04:02:33,180 --> 04:02:40,500
Then museums and peer institutions, again, looking at the most public good, where can these things be viewed by the public?

2770
04:02:40,500 --> 04:02:46,820
looking local, if it all possible, and then the national too.

2771
04:02:48,920 --> 04:02:55,940
And then we will look at the Milwaukee Public Museum, we'll consider non-profits, 501C3s,

2772
04:02:56,020 --> 04:02:57,920
educational institutions.

2773
04:02:59,640 --> 04:03:05,880
And I'm sorry, with the museum and peer institutions that also includes the tribes.

2774
04:03:05,880 --> 04:03:11,300
and includes such institutions as the Milwaukee Art Museum, Discovery World, tribal museums,

2775
04:03:12,080 --> 04:03:14,720
America's Black Holocaust Museum, and others.

2776
04:03:16,060 --> 04:03:23,500
And then after 501C3s, exhibit fabrication, traveling exhibit production companies,

2777
04:03:23,660 --> 04:03:27,080
so those companies that go across the United States,

2778
04:03:27,520 --> 04:03:32,020
and possibly internationally, and show exhibits throughout the country.

2779
04:03:32,020 --> 04:03:38,540
And then, at the end, if there's things still remaining, there'll be a public offering.

2780
04:03:39,340 --> 04:03:45,320
MPM will offer property and it could be through via public auction online platform sealed

2781
04:03:45,320 --> 04:03:47,920
bid or other public process that's appropriate.

2782
04:03:48,740 --> 04:03:54,680
Milwaukee County at that time may also offer fixtures, so this would be like the fixtures

2783
04:03:54,680 --> 04:04:00,920
in the streets of old Milwaukee, by public auction online platform through a request for

2784
04:04:00,920 --> 04:04:03,420
proposals are other public, public process.

2785
04:04:04,180 --> 04:04:06,820
Public notice of sale details will be posted broadly

2786
04:04:06,820 --> 04:04:09,320
and in compliance with any applicable rules.

2787
04:04:09,800 --> 04:04:12,340
And then, at the end of that entire process,

2788
04:04:13,400 --> 04:04:18,240
if there's anything left that no one has been interested in,

2789
04:04:18,260 --> 04:04:19,520
then it would be final disposal.

2790
04:04:22,080 --> 04:04:26,360
So, again, this is a very, very big move, monumental.

2791
04:04:27,080 --> 04:04:31,360
So, the timelines approximate because we know building buildings

2792
04:04:31,360 --> 04:04:36,640
don't always run on the same timeline that we expect them to and also packing and moving can

2793
04:04:36,640 --> 04:04:45,020
take a long time. So we will plan on coming back in the first part of 2026 with a detailed

2794
04:04:45,020 --> 04:04:50,680
timeline for the county board as detailed as we can to be at that time. Again to keep this process

2795
04:04:50,680 --> 04:04:56,560
transparent and keep the county board in the public updated. We'll be doing tours with the Milwaukee

2796
04:04:56,560 --> 04:04:59,880
public museum for eligible groups to hunt.

2797
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:10,840
Part to help to start planning for those items that wouldn't be going with Museum, that the county might be interested in or other museums in nonprofits.

2798
04:05:11,900 --> 04:05:27,120
And then quarter four towards the end of 2027, and possibly beginning of 2028, public auction, after all of the other organizations have taken any non-collection items that they wanted.

2799
04:05:27,120 --> 04:05:32,460
And then end of 2027, beginning of 2028, would be the final clean out.

2800
04:05:33,260 --> 04:05:38,920
So public communication, Wacke Public Museum has tons of information on their website is always

2801
04:05:38,920 --> 04:05:44,680
updating as to, you know, when items, collection items are being moved out and when exhibits

2802
04:05:44,680 --> 04:05:49,100
are going to be closed and then we'll reopen, they're trying to keep things open as much

2803
04:05:49,100 --> 04:05:54,360
as possible while continuing this process of protecting and preserving the collection items.

2804
04:05:54,360 --> 04:06:02,300
There's an FAQ page, we'll have the county board file in March, and there'll be MPM website

2805
04:06:02,300 --> 04:06:02,880
updates.

2806
04:06:03,400 --> 04:06:08,560
So we will put everyone on notice of what this timeline is going to look like and make sure

2807
04:06:08,560 --> 04:06:10,740
that everyone is aware of this process.

2808
04:06:12,720 --> 04:06:14,100
And so here are some resources.

2809
04:06:14,700 --> 04:06:18,480
And again, if it pleases the committee, there's a video on what's happening to the

2810
04:06:18,480 --> 04:06:22,300
streets of old Milwaukee that I found extremely beneficial, and I'd like to share

2811
04:06:22,300 --> 04:06:24,060
It's short two or three minutes.

2812
04:06:24,440 --> 04:06:24,600
Sure.

2813
04:06:55,160 --> 04:06:56,040
Oh, okay.

2814
04:06:56,980 --> 04:06:57,220
Sorry.

2815
04:06:57,560 --> 04:06:59,360
Sorry, hold for just one second.

2816
04:07:46,730 --> 04:07:47,490
What do you have information?

2817
04:07:48,830 --> 04:07:49,070
It's Chairman.

2818
04:07:49,690 --> 04:07:50,270
Yes, Supervisor.

2819
04:07:50,630 --> 04:07:50,890
Yes.

2820
04:07:51,210 --> 04:07:55,630
Is the video that all about to show publicly available on our website some place?

2821
04:07:56,010 --> 04:07:56,450
Yes, it is.

2822
04:07:56,890 --> 04:07:58,730
It's available even now.

2823
04:08:16,700 --> 04:08:19,400
New Museum will feature a new streets of Oklahoma.

2824
04:08:19,840 --> 04:08:21,200
It's a big cloud at the moment.

2825
04:08:22,280 --> 04:08:22,360
Is

2826
04:08:28,630 --> 04:08:30,150
it playing online?

2827
04:08:31,250 --> 04:08:32,850
Is it playing online?

2828
04:08:32,850 --> 04:08:34,850
It's a whole sense to us that was sent to us all.

2829
04:08:35,150 --> 04:08:37,050
Yeah, it is a lot of powerpoint.

2830
04:08:37,610 --> 04:08:40,850
And this is how we can get it sent to us to share that be great, because it's really

2831
04:08:40,850 --> 04:08:42,530
echo-ey for anyone watching.

2832
04:08:43,230 --> 04:08:44,550
It's a possible Apollo.

2833
04:08:45,690 --> 04:08:47,830
And this was publicly available now, too.

2834
04:08:48,370 --> 04:08:51,030
The general public can view this right now.

2835
04:08:51,610 --> 04:08:51,910
Yes.

2836
04:08:52,190 --> 04:08:57,490
In fact, we've shared it on all of our social media channels.

2837
04:08:58,330 --> 04:09:02,170
And just on our Facebook page alone,

2838
04:09:02,170 --> 04:09:10,610
it has received over 400,000 views. It's been shared over a thousand times. It has had

2839
04:09:10,610 --> 04:09:22,270
over 5,000 likes or loves and less than 200, you know, sad faces or angry faces. So it's really

2840
04:09:22,270 --> 04:09:28,830
resonating with people as they really start to understand what the new Milwaukee exhibit will be.

2841
04:09:28,830 --> 04:09:32,630
Five thousand to two hundred. That's wow. Very positive.

2842
04:09:33,250 --> 04:09:35,550
All right. Sorry for interrupting.

2843
04:09:36,470 --> 04:09:40,150
I think President C. E. O. L. and Setsky always says,

2844
04:09:40,150 --> 04:09:42,930
Granny is coming with to the new museum.

2845
04:09:43,810 --> 04:09:47,390
And I know my kids, even as one of them's an adult,

2846
04:09:47,410 --> 04:09:50,350
will be excited to be able to go into the candy,

2847
04:09:50,430 --> 04:09:53,350
the Haymarket candy store, and still buy the candies.

2848
04:09:54,130 --> 04:09:57,770
Actually, I like it too. So I will be looking forward to that as well.

2849
04:09:58,370 --> 04:09:59,950
So as we look ahead, it's important.

2850
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:13,580
We're important to remember the county's collection, the fossils, the artifacts, the specimens that define who we are, will all be preserved and moved to the new museum or into storage.

2851
04:10:14,380 --> 04:10:22,780
And again, with the idea that there's going to be more rotating of the collection, we're going to see more of our county collection in the new museum.

2852
04:10:22,780 --> 04:10:27,720
For the non-collection items, we've built a process that's transparent, thoughtful and

2853
04:10:27,720 --> 04:10:33,980
designed to benefit the public whenever possible these pieces will be reused, repurposed,

2854
04:10:34,100 --> 04:10:40,220
or given new life in ways that continue to serve education and the community.

2855
04:10:42,980 --> 04:10:47,200
It's more about making sure that everything connected to this museum collection is handled

2856
04:10:47,200 --> 04:10:50,580
with care and integrity as we prepare for the next chapter.

2857
04:10:50,580 --> 04:10:55,660
The results will be a museum that honors our history meets the needs of today and inspires

2858
04:10:55,660 --> 04:11:01,860
generations to come and we're available for any questions on this disposition process.

2859
04:11:01,860 --> 04:11:02,560
That's good.

2860
04:11:02,600 --> 04:11:04,840
Members of the committee, I'm going to turn the lights on.

2861
04:11:05,360 --> 04:11:09,540
Supervisor Jack Eckblatt had his hand up first, so he's first to ask questions.

2862
04:11:10,720 --> 04:11:11,780
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

2863
04:11:12,000 --> 04:11:14,020
I really appreciate the presentation.

2864
04:11:14,340 --> 04:11:17,320
I did have one follow-up question about non-collection items.

2865
04:11:18,160 --> 04:11:28,880
I received several emails from constituents who say that their families had donated artifacts to the Streets of Old Milwaukee, specifically a president says he thinks so much for being into our contact with being about this.

2866
04:11:28,980 --> 04:11:32,720
I know that we have unfortunately played a little bit of a phone tag about this.

2867
04:11:33,540 --> 04:11:35,620
Would just be grateful to no one.

2868
04:11:36,300 --> 04:11:42,300
Is that accurate to the museums knowledge that there are actually family heirlooms as part of these artifacts?

2869
04:11:42,860 --> 04:11:45,640
And two is their plan for this position of those.

2870
04:11:47,800 --> 04:11:56,180
So, if they were accepted into the collection, they are part of the collection and they will move to the new museum.

2871
04:11:57,460 --> 04:12:00,240
Like they were accepted into the collection.

2872
04:12:00,680 --> 04:12:06,500
I mean, I know that there were also families who reached out about things like a loaf of bread,

2873
04:12:07,080 --> 04:12:11,520
saying that their family, their grandmother had made the loaf of bread.

2874
04:12:12,140 --> 04:12:18,220
That loaf of bread not likely accepted into the collection because it would have been baked and then

2875
04:12:18,220 --> 04:12:24,640
shellacked and those have a very short shelf life and their, in fact, our number of families

2876
04:12:24,640 --> 04:12:28,940
who have given bread and but they did hear you right over time.

2877
04:12:29,460 --> 04:12:35,580
So if they are items that were given to the museum as part of the collection, they are part

2878
04:12:35,580 --> 04:12:36,960
of the collection then going.

2879
04:12:40,040 --> 04:12:41,140
Thank you.

2880
04:12:42,020 --> 04:12:42,340
All right.

2881
04:12:42,460 --> 04:12:43,280
Thank you very much.

2882
04:12:43,560 --> 04:12:43,880
Supervisor.

2883
04:12:44,080 --> 04:12:44,380
Excellent.

2884
04:12:44,840 --> 04:12:46,120
Other members of the committee?

2885
04:12:46,780 --> 04:12:47,780
Supervisor O'Connor.

2886
04:12:49,580 --> 04:12:50,140
Thank you, Chairman.

2887
04:12:50,460 --> 04:12:51,500
Thank you for the presentation.

2888
04:12:52,800 --> 04:13:00,440
I know there were some opportunities for participation in seeing the packing up close or at least having it explained.

2889
04:13:00,940 --> 04:13:07,200
Unfortunately, I had a conflict, so would love to be kept in the loop on any future opportunities.

2890
04:13:07,200 --> 04:13:11,320
I think that's great to see it up close and personal, so I appreciate that.

2891
04:13:13,200 --> 04:13:19,240
It was mentioned that the move is being done according to American Alliance on accreditation

2892
04:13:19,860 --> 04:13:20,480
standards.

2893
04:13:22,240 --> 04:13:28,920
So where, for the general public who's more curious about where those standards are,

2894
04:13:29,500 --> 04:13:34,300
is that something like, do they have their own website and kind of, is that available

2895
04:13:34,300 --> 04:13:40,980
to only museum members or with the general public be able to see those standards. And then the

2896
04:13:40,980 --> 04:13:49,000
kind of second part of that is, does that organization, as part of the accreditation process,

2897
04:13:49,380 --> 04:13:56,840
have any on-site presence throughout the year, whether it's through the move or do they do,

2898
04:13:56,840 --> 04:14:02,700
you know, check-ins physically at different points or is it a matter of what is submitted to them

2899
04:14:02,700 --> 04:14:05,580
to keep the organization in good standing.

2900
04:14:06,900 --> 04:14:10,920
So the answer to the first question is yes, there is a website.

2901
04:14:12,320 --> 04:14:16,180
The Alliance of American Museums or American Alliance of Museums,

2902
04:14:16,580 --> 04:14:19,980
and you can go on and anybody can go on.

2903
04:14:20,220 --> 04:14:23,440
There are parts of it that are restricted to members,

2904
04:14:24,460 --> 04:14:26,700
but if you want to understand the accessioning

2905
04:14:26,700 --> 04:14:29,240
and the accessioning process, that's on there.

2906
04:14:29,240 --> 04:14:41,520
As far as the accreditation process, that's something you go through every 10 years, you submit all your paperwork and then they do a site visit.

2907
04:14:42,200 --> 04:14:45,580
And so they don't check in in between those times.

2908
04:14:46,700 --> 04:14:54,340
But we are following our, you know, that collections policy plan, which this board approved,

2909
04:14:55,260 --> 04:14:59,960
That goes through that whole process and so we abide by that.

2910
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:23,740
That process is approved by the AM. And so during that accreditation process, they check and make sure that everything you're doing is on the up and up. And then you abide by it. And we are in accredited museum. We are not going to not abide by it. That is what we do as professionals.

2911
04:15:23,740 --> 04:15:26,820
Thank you. Chair May I ask a follow up question?

2912
04:15:27,340 --> 04:15:28,500
Okay. Thank you.

2913
04:15:29,840 --> 04:15:36,200
So my understanding is that Milwaukee Public Museum is able to proudly claim the original

2914
04:15:36,200 --> 04:15:42,860
Milwaukee style that has these really sort of expressive dioramas and settings for the object.

2915
04:15:42,940 --> 04:15:50,240
So I heard an interesting argument be made that some of the non-collection items almost have achieved

2916
04:15:50,240 --> 04:15:57,720
collection status because of their iconic settings. So have any items, or are any items

2917
04:15:57,720 --> 04:16:03,080
under consideration for being added into the collection, even though previously they were considered

2918
04:16:03,080 --> 04:16:08,480
sort of like non-collection items, because of their relevance to the development of the Milwaukee

2919
04:16:08,480 --> 04:16:18,760
style. The Milwaukee style actually comes, we can claim that the acolydiorama, which is movable,

2920
04:16:18,760 --> 04:16:29,760
Was the original Milwaukee style and so that is coming that was built in 1890 and so that actually has a cheese cheese

2921
04:16:29,760 --> 04:16:30,720
That level

2922
04:16:30,720 --> 04:16:34,040
Okay, so that will be coming

2923
04:16:34,040 --> 04:16:35,940
Great, thank you, and then

2924
04:16:35,940 --> 04:16:41,700
Sorry, I've just one more question in the sort of hierarchy of disposition

2925
04:16:42,480 --> 04:16:48,240
Fabrication and traveling exhibits was above the general public auction

2926
04:16:49,260 --> 04:16:55,500
on mine. However, those things will be disposed of, would any consideration be given to maybe

2927
04:16:55,500 --> 04:17:00,260
flipping those two? In my mind, I guess the general public auction might keep things more

2928
04:17:00,260 --> 04:17:06,280
local than having it go to a traveling exhibit. Again, if that's something as part of the

2929
04:17:06,280 --> 04:17:10,920
accreditation process or how did that disposition hierarchy get established? Thanks.

2930
04:17:11,040 --> 04:17:18,740
It was more so in keeping things in the public realm. And so those companies that travel exhibits

2931
04:17:18,740 --> 04:17:25,420
they keep things in the private, I mean in the public realm, whereas an individual buying a piece of

2932
04:17:25,420 --> 04:17:32,860
fruit ends up in their home and so it may end up locally, but it's not in the public, you know,

2933
04:17:32,920 --> 04:17:35,740
for public consumption. Sure. Thank you very much.

2934
04:17:37,480 --> 04:17:39,100
Are the other committee members?

2935
04:17:41,800 --> 04:17:45,540
All right. Seeing none, we have members of the general public that

2936
04:17:45,540 --> 04:17:50,440
like to make comments. I have three cards before us today. The first person who'll be going

2937
04:17:50,440 --> 04:17:57,060
up will be, I think it's an L but it could be a C dot, Scott Bush. Is it L or is it C?

2938
04:18:01,380 --> 04:18:01,380
Oh,

2939
04:18:01,420 --> 04:18:09,380
he loved. Okay, he was going to speak against the next person up is Corey Houston, who's from

2940
04:18:09,380 --> 04:18:15,700
Priser Moaquie.org, who will be speaking against. Mr. Houston, Florida shares. And what we're going

2941
04:18:15,700 --> 04:18:24,000
We're going to have, I know it's true to make it to me guys, but we're going to do two minute sessions for different speakers so we'll have a timer.

2942
04:18:24,800 --> 04:18:25,980
Thank you.

2943
04:18:26,980 --> 04:18:37,360
I would say, I would say, against as a risk characterization of our intention here, two things can be true at the same time.

2944
04:18:38,080 --> 04:18:44,800
The monumental task of moving the museum and the desire to preserve what is important to the community can be existed the same time.

2945
04:18:45,580 --> 04:19:07,520
What's most interesting is that you're talking about the dioramas and we have about 140 unique dioramas, murals, taxidermy that is people love about the museum and we have no idea what is going to be happening to those, although it sounds like those would not be considered as part of the collections, which means they would not be moving over to the new museum.

2946
04:19:07,520 --> 04:19:15,780
were. So if I'm not understanding that wrongly just based on that last comment, but the concern

2947
04:19:15,780 --> 04:19:22,860
that we have is that the public is being kept out of the Milwaukee Public Museum. And I understand

2948
04:19:22,860 --> 04:19:31,140
that there's efforts now to talk to show these slides, but the things we're talking about are

2949
04:19:31,140 --> 04:19:36,900
these exhibits in the beautiful craftsmanship that the people of Milwaukee care very much about.

2950
04:19:36,900 --> 04:19:49,620
And even if you have a website that had 5,000 likes and 200 smiley, 200 frowny emojis that's not how people are expressing their heartbreak about what is happening.

2951
04:19:50,320 --> 04:19:59,960
We have been cut out of the process of what is happening to museum, not only because the items in the museum have been redefined.

2952
04:20:01,160 --> 04:20:14,780
In the 2013 lease, there is articulated terms for them to very specifically make clear all of the things that are owned by Milwaukee County, the objects, the props, the exhibits.

2953
04:20:15,420 --> 04:20:26,340
And now there's this term component which has been operating like a carve out, a carve out of ownership of what the Milwaukee community has paid for and is in and loves.

2954
04:20:26,340 --> 04:20:29,300
and is now being defined as a non-component

2955
04:20:29,300 --> 04:20:32,940
that is a personal property of MPM.

2956
04:20:33,420 --> 04:20:39,400
So our concern is not necessarily that the museum isn't being handled carefully,

2957
04:20:39,740 --> 04:20:41,420
but that the public is being cut out of what's happening.

2958
04:20:42,080 --> 04:20:46,800
We would like to have a public oversight of the items we want in inventory

2959
04:20:46,800 --> 04:20:50,420
of what's considered a collection versus a non-collection item.

2960
04:20:50,580 --> 04:20:55,260
The public has paid for those items and they would like to have access to that information.

2961
04:20:55,260 --> 04:21:00,880
And if we're not given access to that information, I am still reminded of the code by Thomas

2962
04:21:00,880 --> 04:21:06,740
Soul that says, it is not about what is best, but who gets to decide what is best and the

2963
04:21:06,740 --> 04:21:08,820
public have been cut out of this process.

2964
04:21:10,000 --> 04:21:10,700
Thank you.

2965
04:21:10,860 --> 04:21:11,740
Thank you very much.

2966
04:21:12,100 --> 04:21:13,340
Mr. Houston.

2967
04:21:14,360 --> 04:21:22,600
Of course, there could someone address some of the comments, I mean, we hear 2013, but I talked

2968
04:21:22,600 --> 04:21:26,000
about 1992, that things haven't changed since 1992,

2969
04:21:26,260 --> 04:21:27,780
and so I just want to understand that,

2970
04:21:28,600 --> 04:21:31,460
because it's not my understanding.

2971
04:21:32,980 --> 04:21:35,260
And I don't know what the pictures are that she has.

2972
04:21:36,000 --> 04:21:37,940
These are what's currently in the museum.

2973
04:21:38,000 --> 04:21:38,960
This is what we want to know.

2974
04:21:38,960 --> 04:21:40,420
I can't know from Ray here, we'll be able to do it.

2975
04:21:40,420 --> 04:21:43,320
You did me see the packet, but yes, it's just images of the museum.

2976
04:21:43,880 --> 04:21:46,840
Beautiful, beautiful diorama, built in murals.

2977
04:21:47,220 --> 04:21:48,340
Obviously, the murals are difficult.

2978
04:21:48,340 --> 04:21:57,200
But it's the things that we love, what is happening with them, we are only told the collections will move over.

2979
04:21:57,720 --> 04:22:02,200
We want to know what is, you know, we want information about this.

2980
04:22:02,700 --> 04:22:04,340
We don't want to be told to trust the professionals.

2981
04:22:05,540 --> 04:22:09,860
And it's not an aggressive, it's just, we want an impact on this.

2982
04:22:10,120 --> 04:22:13,080
I mean, do we have answers to where specific things are going to go?

2983
04:22:13,080 --> 04:22:16,680
like, I mean, any of those going over to the new museum

2984
04:22:16,680 --> 04:22:19,440
and if not, what happens, you know,

2985
04:22:19,860 --> 04:22:21,760
like if you take one picture, like, you know,

2986
04:22:21,760 --> 04:22:23,820
you do it with the candy store and they're like,

2987
04:22:23,860 --> 04:22:25,760
here's where things are, they're props

2988
04:22:25,760 --> 04:22:27,600
and they're actual collections, like,

2989
04:22:27,740 --> 04:22:28,880
when you look at those photos,

2990
04:22:29,720 --> 04:22:32,260
what is something that either A is gonna go over,

2991
04:22:32,360 --> 04:22:35,300
B, going to then follow that process of, you know,

2992
04:22:35,360 --> 04:22:38,880
being sold or auctioned or put in storage

2993
04:22:38,880 --> 04:22:45,480
Because if future use, I mean, can we get a little breakdown on something like that, or no?

2994
04:22:45,680 --> 04:22:46,700
It's too difficult.

2995
04:22:46,880 --> 04:22:47,340
Very creepy.

2996
04:22:47,420 --> 04:22:48,000
I want to respond.

2997
04:22:48,540 --> 04:22:49,480
It's a difficult question.

2998
04:22:49,640 --> 04:22:55,760
I think it's a very difficult question to answer without going exhibit by exhibit, which

2999
04:22:55,760 --> 04:23:02,160
is what the museum is doing to determine the collection items that are definitely moving.

3000
04:23:02,940 --> 04:23:08,340
And so, like, for example, the taxidermied animals, I believe that some are in the collection.

3001
04:23:10,160 --> 04:23:12,360
They're all collection animals.

3002
04:23:13,260 --> 04:23:15,300
The Taxi-Dernit, Domi animals.

3003
04:23:16,180 --> 04:23:20,500
There are lists online of the 4 million collection items.

3004
04:23:21,700 --> 04:23:26,140
It's not all online because 140 years of collecting.

3005
04:23:26,700 --> 04:23:32,780
A lot of it is in actual books that they're trying to digitize the entire 4 million items.

3006
04:23:33,700 --> 04:23:37,520
But they don't have, like many of our institutions have a lot of staff.

3007
04:23:37,520 --> 04:23:49,160
So it's a slow process to get it all digitized, but the county has always had the ability to audit the collection items and to go and take a look and see what collection items exist.

3008
04:23:49,640 --> 04:24:00,600
We get the high value collection items listed for insurance purposes, but we have the ability to audit, but it would be very expensive and time consuming.

3009
04:24:00,600 --> 04:24:07,960
So you there's that one slide that showed the military guy that you know the army guy or whatever and had five different

3010
04:24:07,960 --> 04:24:15,980
Collections in there and that was like broken down really nice. I mean, are we are we are we gonna go through each one of these

3011
04:24:15,980 --> 04:24:23,240
That are currently there and then can that mean make made public like you just made it one item in a slide show like if you took a picture of any of these

3012
04:24:23,680 --> 04:24:29,320
These scenes that are beautiful on that can can that so then that's the answer that maybe they're looking for

3013
04:24:29,320 --> 04:24:36,120
what's happening to each one of these, I followed their Facebook page, I see the fish and

3014
04:24:36,120 --> 04:24:38,660
the different things that have been posted like, well what's going to happen to this?

3015
04:24:38,820 --> 04:24:42,180
Well, I don't have that answer. I mean, and maybe we don't have that answer completely,

3016
04:24:43,160 --> 04:24:51,060
but like, is something as simple as that? Here's our inventory of this actual part of the museum.

3017
04:24:51,220 --> 04:24:55,380
Here's a picture. These five things are going, this is something that's going to eventually

3018
04:24:55,380 --> 04:24:59,960
They asked if they're not in profit once it traveling museum once it like how

3019
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:07,920
So, how can we share that information because it's, I mean, is there a way to do that or not?

3020
04:25:08,360 --> 04:25:09,980
I would have to ask the museum.

3021
04:25:10,080 --> 04:25:14,200
We're doing it. We obviously clearly just did it and you showed us an example what you're doing.

3022
04:25:14,660 --> 04:25:20,440
Well, you must have a hundred of those done already. So, can't they just go up and be displayed?

3023
04:25:20,620 --> 04:25:27,000
You'll put online like you just did. That's a public record right now and that's slide. Why can't all the ones we've done so far? Can't we,

3024
04:25:27,000 --> 04:25:35,000
We are in the process, so we've just started with the first gallery, there are five galleries.

3025
04:25:35,560 --> 04:25:38,680
So this is going to be a long tedious process.

3026
04:25:38,920 --> 04:25:44,200
In addition, there are objects that are in the collections that will be coming out on display.

3027
04:25:44,820 --> 04:25:51,720
So what you're asking is, we can look at placing them on our website.

3028
04:25:51,720 --> 04:25:59,820
and the thing that we don't want to do is the people who are moving the collections are also

3029
04:25:59,820 --> 04:26:06,900
the same people who are planning exhibits. And so to add another additional task to their

3030
04:26:06,900 --> 04:26:14,280
to their job may send them running. I mean, we're trying to keep a team together. That is

3031
04:26:14,280 --> 04:26:18,040
working two jobs at once or even three jobs.

3032
04:26:19,320 --> 04:26:24,040
So, but there is a lot on our future website.

3033
04:26:24,840 --> 04:26:27,480
And we talk about what's going to be in the new,

3034
04:26:27,480 --> 04:26:28,740
in the new exhibits.

3035
04:26:29,020 --> 04:26:32,540
We don't give very detailed, like this in this and this,

3036
04:26:32,860 --> 04:26:35,060
because we just don't have the time to do it.

3037
04:26:35,060 --> 04:26:36,940
It's a big process.

3038
04:26:37,740 --> 04:26:42,700
As Erica said early on, when you think about moving a house

3039
04:26:42,700 --> 04:26:48,540
what that takes. And this is something where we can't just throw something in a box and move it.

3040
04:26:50,160 --> 04:26:58,480
So, we are, and the other thing is that the dioramas are built in. They're part of your,

3041
04:26:58,880 --> 04:27:06,260
you guys own them. The sides are built in. You own them. We have not reclassified anything.

3042
04:27:07,040 --> 04:27:11,700
We have you saw the collection numbers on those. Those tell us what has been

3043
04:27:11,700 --> 04:27:19,460
session. What is a collection item? We don't, we don't catalog into our collections things that

3044
04:27:19,460 --> 04:27:25,600
we know in order to move it, we'd have to destroy it. We'd have to damage it. We don't do that.

3045
04:27:26,660 --> 04:27:35,060
It would not be museum, meat museum standards. Museums don't access them there. They're exhibits.

3046
04:27:36,140 --> 04:27:37,600
Do you mind if I respond?

3047
04:27:37,860 --> 04:27:42,520
Because I've been sort of one of the main agitators about this, I would have to say, okay.

3048
04:27:43,400 --> 04:27:46,780
The Facebook page has 9,600 members in it.

3049
04:27:47,380 --> 04:27:52,120
So again, these is not the 200 frowny faces, it's a mischaracterization.

3050
04:27:52,320 --> 04:27:57,380
People are keenly interested in what is uniquely the Milwaukee Public Museum.

3051
04:27:57,840 --> 04:28:02,440
And so it is in your best interest to work with us, to keep people feeling that they

3052
04:28:02,440 --> 04:28:03,820
have a voice in the museum.

3053
04:28:03,820 --> 04:28:09,880
What if the public decides that the new museum doesn't reflect their values or their history?

3054
04:28:10,440 --> 04:28:17,780
You're taking the, in the past you've made some concerning comments like nostalgia will not carry us forward.

3055
04:28:18,520 --> 04:28:23,740
We're going to transform the museum according to cultural and political trends.

3056
04:28:24,300 --> 04:28:28,480
We're going to, you are, you are going to not see the same museum that you have now.

3057
04:28:28,480 --> 04:28:42,280
So, the public in the absence of information has been only been able to surmise what your intentions are to take these collections and transform what you believe should be brought into the future.

3058
04:28:43,160 --> 04:28:52,580
And especially your comments about the history of Milwaukee. The history of Milwaukee is seven year period. Yes, but it represents the cultures that are here and people love that.

3059
04:28:52,580 --> 04:28:59,240
you're saying that's not okay we need to make it 300 years and so you're changing and

3060
04:28:59,240 --> 04:29:05,060
transferring what is the Milwaukee Public Museum the best alternative would be to have a true

3061
04:29:05,060 --> 04:29:10,320
representative from the public alongside these efforts so that people can know that there's

3062
04:29:10,320 --> 04:29:15,620
transparency transparency means openness it means that we have the information as well and I

3063
04:29:15,620 --> 04:29:22,180
just would respectfully ask the board to advocate on behalf of the public because they care about

3064
04:29:22,180 --> 04:29:26,500
happening and the answers you've given them this is obviously more information now but the

3065
04:29:26,500 --> 04:29:30,380
answers that you've given him so far have not been thorough enough for them to know what's

3066
04:29:30,380 --> 04:29:38,960
happening to their favorite exhibit. Okay go away. Do you want to? I'm just so it seems like we're talking

3067
04:29:38,960 --> 04:29:45,260
about something different about like moving entire exhibits in their totality which is just not a

3068
04:29:45,260 --> 04:29:51,180
reality it's not a possibility. The thing that the county has control over is the collection,

3069
04:29:51,180 --> 04:29:59,960
The collection is being preserved and it's being moved either to the new museum or to storage where it will see more of the collection

3070
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:14,620
Action from this point forward. I'm not sure what else county can be responsible for. The exhibits are being designed. They're being designed around this election.

3071
04:30:15,600 --> 04:30:28,000
And these collection items will be displayed. And there's been a public process going on for over 10 years. There was a public process in 2022 and the museum was designed and this deal was done.

3072
04:30:28,780 --> 04:30:34,680
And we saw the design, it's part of the development agreement, which was adopted.

3073
04:30:35,200 --> 04:30:37,740
So the public has been involved every step of the way.

3074
04:30:37,920 --> 04:30:45,200
The museum has had a very public process inviting the public to talk about what they love about the current museum,

3075
04:30:45,200 --> 04:30:46,740
what they want to see in the new museum.

3076
04:30:47,300 --> 04:30:51,300
I'm not sure why you would not consider that a public process.

3077
04:30:51,760 --> 04:30:54,840
And this is a discussion that was happening in 1992.

3078
04:30:54,840 --> 04:31:01,120
I've been looking through the thousand-page file just to get an understanding of the history of these decisions.

3079
04:31:01,800 --> 04:31:08,120
In 1992, this was a thought already, and then it was, you know, it takes a while to pursue this.

3080
04:31:08,220 --> 04:31:15,200
Of the museum, the nonprofit, taking over completely, and still managing and displaying the collection,

3081
04:31:15,560 --> 04:31:19,880
but the county moving out of it, because even then we knew that we don't have the financial,

3082
04:31:19,880 --> 04:31:26,660
the county doesn't have the financial capacity to continue supporting all of our arts and

3083
04:31:26,660 --> 04:31:33,840
culture. So I just I don't know how you can say this hasn't been a transparent process.

3084
04:31:34,320 --> 04:31:38,200
And your county supervisors represent the county supervisors,

3085
04:31:38,360 --> 04:31:44,360
represent the public in this process as well. And every meeting that has been requested,

3086
04:31:44,360 --> 04:31:50,760
a public meeting, President and CEO Ellen Sensky has been willing to be there, or our staff

3087
04:31:50,760 --> 04:31:53,240
have been willing to be there to talk about this publicly.

3088
04:31:54,140 --> 04:31:57,840
We are, this is a very long process, it's very detailed.

3089
04:31:58,440 --> 04:32:03,780
I don't think, as the county, we could ask the museum to do more than they're already doing

3090
04:32:03,780 --> 04:32:08,520
in, as I said, 40 hours for six items of the collection.

3091
04:32:09,320 --> 04:32:13,620
So they are doing as much as they can to put out as much information as possible to the

3092
04:32:13,620 --> 04:32:20,120
public, I just don't know if we can ask them to do more, but this will, the Milwaukee County

3093
04:32:20,120 --> 04:32:25,720
departments are going to be walking through and seeing what's available, you know, what won't

3094
04:32:25,720 --> 04:32:35,100
be going to the museum or to, or to the storage facility. So, I just, I don't know what else

3095
04:32:35,100 --> 04:32:36,600
we can do.

3096
04:32:39,320 --> 04:32:48,040
I just wanted to make one another statement in that, you know, why the museum

3097
04:32:48,040 --> 04:32:53,980
in the 60's, those seven years, I don't know. But there is a whole lot more to Milwaukee

3098
04:32:53,980 --> 04:33:00,680
history. So in the new Milwaukee revealed, we'll talk about Solomon Juno and the founding

3099
04:33:00,680 --> 04:33:09,440
of this city. We will talk about, um, increase lap and his involvement in actually helping

3100
04:33:09,440 --> 04:33:16,060
to get the national weather service started across this country. We'll talk about the

3101
04:33:16,060 --> 04:33:24,080
beer and why beer here in this region through the Schlitz Palm Garden. We will talk about

3102
04:33:24,080 --> 04:33:32,160
about the dairy industry and we'll use the venue will be the frozen custard shop so we will

3103
04:33:32,160 --> 04:33:41,100
be talking about much more of the history of Milwaukee so I don't know how that is that is

3104
04:33:41,100 --> 04:33:48,960
not being true to the Milwaukee Public Museum it's sharing more of the history and you know

3105
04:33:48,960 --> 04:33:53,760
you can go on to our website and look, we are updating it all the time.

3106
04:33:54,100 --> 04:33:56,200
You just have to actually go to the website.

3107
04:33:58,810 --> 04:33:59,690
Thank you.

3108
04:34:00,190 --> 04:34:03,270
More questions, we also have more people that want to talk to you.

3109
04:34:03,410 --> 04:34:07,310
So, next up is

3110
04:34:10,350 --> 04:34:11,890
righto.

3111
04:34:13,170 --> 04:34:19,270
So, I was going to go with a, it's going to be right off first and then I was going to do

3112
04:34:19,270 --> 04:34:19,610
a read-all.

3113
04:34:20,070 --> 04:34:20,090
So,

3114
04:34:28,500 --> 04:34:29,380
you have two of this.

3115
04:34:29,700 --> 04:34:30,180
I'll start here.

3116
04:34:30,180 --> 04:34:33,460
I have really no plan to speak here.

3117
04:34:33,620 --> 04:34:35,180
Do I, did I give my name properly?

3118
04:34:36,000 --> 04:34:36,300
Yes.

3119
04:34:36,520 --> 04:34:36,640
OK.

3120
04:34:37,620 --> 04:34:38,280
I really hadn't.

3121
04:34:38,660 --> 04:34:41,740
But I'm just typing stuff in the background as I'm listening.

3122
04:34:41,960 --> 04:34:45,060
So these are going to be kind of just comments.

3123
04:34:46,140 --> 04:34:48,120
But you know, it comes on in hard work.

3124
04:34:48,520 --> 04:34:51,380
And those efforts, you guys even get a little pay.

3125
04:34:51,680 --> 04:34:52,880
We aren't getting anything.

3126
04:34:53,020 --> 04:34:56,860
And I worked eight hours on one video last night.

3127
04:34:56,860 --> 04:34:59,960
This is not the, the merit doesn't come from how much effort you.

3128
04:35:02,000 --> 04:35:19,120
And this is what the whole thing, the whole plan of diversion is. In 1992, they may have gotten private ownership of running the museum, but they didn't come in and destroy the streets of Milwaukee. The streets of Milwaukee and let's get this on the record is generational.

3129
04:35:19,860 --> 04:35:24,060
It is something that every, it doesn't, it's no way he's like, I like the little bottle here.

3130
04:35:24,200 --> 04:35:29,640
It's because it is a time capsule that works for a person to walk through it, it is immersive.

3131
04:35:30,440 --> 04:35:33,960
You're in it, you don't know where he are and you come out through the European Village.

3132
04:35:33,960 --> 04:35:36,580
He's meant something to a lot of people.

3133
04:35:36,920 --> 04:35:44,320
They meant a lot to your kids, your grandkids, the kids of today.

3134
04:35:44,460 --> 04:35:48,160
You go in there today, there's not like they're bumping around in there, they're enjoying it.

3135
04:35:48,160 --> 04:35:52,520
So why the public would say, why the heck are you going to tear it apart and do electronic stuff

3136
04:35:52,520 --> 04:35:58,780
and do the history of mankind in the same spot? Why would that resonate with the public?

3137
04:35:59,880 --> 04:36:05,280
You know, she talks enough a lot about how much positive comments they make.

3138
04:36:06,660 --> 04:36:11,360
Channel 58 ran a documentary. I mean, had a story last week with us.

3139
04:36:11,460 --> 04:36:16,040
And the comments and read those comments because they're not our people and not their people,

3140
04:36:16,040 --> 04:36:23,260
They're people and they're pretty not, it's not the way it sounds like everybody's happy about this.

3141
04:36:24,020 --> 04:36:31,380
If you were a German fest, I can get maybe one person who thinks that we're all they think is we're dumb.

3142
04:36:31,640 --> 04:36:33,680
I'm sorry I'm getting excited.

3143
04:36:34,380 --> 04:36:37,800
What they think is this is a fatalistic thing we can't win.

3144
04:36:38,040 --> 04:36:41,020
The power is too strong on the other side of the marketing.

3145
04:36:41,880 --> 04:36:44,240
I'm sitting in a marketing meeting right now.

3146
04:36:44,240 --> 04:36:52,960
Last week that the video that was on the right side with I think that was I'm not sure that was was that was put out a week ago

3147
04:36:52,960 --> 04:36:58,680
Then this journalistic tour of the building then the good articles start coming out

3148
04:36:58,680 --> 04:37:04,400
This is when I got in my head something's going to be happening at this meeting and they're trying to get

3149
04:37:04,400 --> 04:37:08,760
Public to just before the holidays get them shoved away

3150
04:37:08,760 --> 04:37:13,100
You can look it up and did a video on it not a very good one and

3151
04:37:13,100 --> 04:37:20,140
And here we are in the day that you always do the ugly part of public policy, you do it

3152
04:37:20,140 --> 04:37:22,420
on a day that the public isn't paying attention.

3153
04:37:23,420 --> 04:37:25,380
And that's not a mistake.

3154
04:37:26,840 --> 04:37:33,680
We have Native Americans who come to us and say, why can't I call them and ask about my head

3155
04:37:33,680 --> 04:37:34,180
dress?

3156
04:37:34,860 --> 04:37:36,160
My grandfather's head dress.

3157
04:37:36,500 --> 04:37:38,660
I'm calling you because we can't get an answer.

3158
04:37:38,660 --> 04:37:50,080
I don't know. I'm not allowed to offer to fix the power at no charge because I'm qualified to do it and at least for a year we'd have it running.

3159
04:37:50,640 --> 04:37:55,880
They're not going to get anybody near it. You guys get to see this stuff. We don't get to see it.

3160
04:37:56,360 --> 04:38:00,660
You guys are accommodated all the time because you're getting played.

3161
04:38:01,740 --> 04:38:04,600
Now maybe you're not, but you're smart enough people to be cynical.

3162
04:38:04,600 --> 04:38:12,300
that when I'm sitting up here, I have an agenda that I want to convince you of, they have an agenda that they want you to be convinced of.

3163
04:38:12,660 --> 04:38:17,860
And to think that is just all perfect, is no, no, there is stuff going on behind there.

3164
04:38:18,440 --> 04:38:20,840
The middle video, that was not shown.

3165
04:38:21,260 --> 04:38:23,840
When you watch it, oh, oh.

3166
04:38:25,160 --> 04:38:28,600
The middle video was released the day after the bean dropped.

3167
04:38:29,320 --> 04:38:32,420
No public statement was made about this for Mortensen.

3168
04:38:33,060 --> 04:38:34,220
No statement was made.

3169
04:38:34,360 --> 04:38:36,900
Nobody, nobody, turn your foot head folks.

3170
04:38:37,040 --> 04:38:38,680
I have a little fun with it with my video.

3171
04:38:39,500 --> 04:38:44,460
But nonetheless, it is a irresponsible action,

3172
04:38:44,620 --> 04:38:48,140
in which all this is to promote what they're going to decide.

3173
04:38:49,040 --> 04:38:50,060
Talk about diorama.

3174
04:38:51,440 --> 04:38:53,780
You were, Miss O'Connor, you asked about diorama.

3175
04:38:53,880 --> 04:38:56,320
You were told about one little diorama.

3176
04:38:56,320 --> 04:39:01,040
That was done in the 1800s, which would not qualify for the Milwaukee style.

3177
04:39:01,740 --> 04:39:02,980
Let's ask a bigger question.

3178
04:39:03,560 --> 04:39:08,580
What's going to happen to the bison hunt? Why are you stealing snakes off of it?

3179
04:39:08,620 --> 04:39:09,800
Or whatever you want?

3180
04:39:10,940 --> 04:39:18,080
And why is it that you did not contact the coronation to find out if they had any comments on it?

3181
04:39:18,260 --> 04:39:23,480
This is the people who are more in love with the indigenous and making sure everything sensitive

3182
04:39:23,480 --> 04:39:29,400
never call the crow. Now I'll tell you they've talked to the crow, that's because the crow

3183
04:39:29,400 --> 04:39:37,020
talked to them because I personally contacted the coronation. So thank you. I'm so much.

3184
04:39:37,260 --> 04:39:42,640
And I have my two minutes. You're overpass for. Support the museum. Sorry, I do

3185
04:39:42,640 --> 04:39:59,660
All right, all right, all right, Brad Myers was here and he had to leave but he was going to speak against and we also have Liz Greedle.

3186
04:40:03,320 --> 04:40:10,510
Do you guys know each other? All right. You have two mess.

3187
04:40:16,030 --> 04:40:18,670
You can start. Your two mess starts right now.

3188
04:40:18,830 --> 04:40:28,510
Dear supervisors, good afternoon. My name is Liz Riddle and I thank you for the opportunity to speak publicly about MPM Inc and our public museum.

3189
04:40:28,510 --> 04:40:35,630
I was raised a Dallas girl growing up on 75th in Grant. I spent my summers at McCarty Park swimming.

3190
04:40:36,090 --> 04:40:41,870
I lived there. This was a difficult agenda for me to sit through, no less for you.

3191
04:40:42,190 --> 04:40:47,370
I've been to every one of the institutions that are around the agenda today.

3192
04:40:47,830 --> 04:40:51,510
Cool waters the domes within the past year, the zoo.

3193
04:40:51,510 --> 04:40:59,490
You have the, I'm apathetic, you have to decide who has and who has not in this, in your budgeting.

3194
04:41:00,970 --> 04:41:03,470
With that, I hope my words don't seem harsh.

3195
04:41:03,790 --> 04:41:16,210
Rather, I hope you, I hope to give them to you as a perspective and outside perspective, outside of government, corporations, developers, and expensive consultants.

3196
04:41:18,170 --> 04:41:19,010
Dear supervisors.

3197
04:41:19,010 --> 04:41:25,110
Your decisions today and in the days ahead will define your legacy.

3198
04:41:26,370 --> 04:41:34,850
Under your oversight, the Milwaukee Public Museum, the world's largest, unisciplined public museum will cease to exist.

3199
04:41:35,870 --> 04:41:41,610
Under your watch, historic, world-renowned exhibits and murals will be lost forever.

3200
04:41:42,390 --> 04:41:47,710
You have given MPM ink authority to decide what to keep and what to get rid of.

3201
04:41:47,710 --> 04:41:53,990
You have given MPM ink authority to decide what is a collection and what is a component.

3202
04:41:55,490 --> 04:42:00,990
You have given MPM ink authority to choose what is a session and what is de-assession.

3203
04:42:01,950 --> 04:42:09,530
As a result, immersive exhibits will be dismantled, picked over, auctioned off, perhaps thrown out 15 seconds.

3204
04:42:09,530 --> 04:42:15,370
The pro-Bison hunt gone, European village gone, where was the transparency in this process?

3205
04:42:15,530 --> 04:42:23,610
Not until recently did MPM in start to hint to the public in articles that these exhibits were not moving.

3206
04:42:24,270 --> 04:42:30,690
No one has it appeared that this museum will be a privately owned building.

3207
04:42:30,690 --> 04:42:39,690
I've spoke with hundreds and hundreds of people and no one knows that and I've not seen it in any news print or anything put out by mpm ink.

3208
04:42:39,990 --> 04:42:46,090
You cite many reasons why it was impossible to save the current building and thus save our public museum.

3209
04:42:46,690 --> 04:42:53,690
Perhaps the one reason you cite, you don't cite is the main reason how much that property was wanted for redevelopment.

3210
04:42:53,690 --> 04:43:00,880
after all what's the value of our legacy compared to a new jail or apartments or a CVS store.

3211
04:43:01,870 --> 04:43:04,690
I believe history may not be kind to you.

3212
04:43:05,690 --> 04:43:06,210
Thank you.

3213
04:43:06,230 --> 04:43:08,030
Thank you very much.

3214
04:43:09,210 --> 04:43:12,530
Members of the committee, any questions, concerns?

3215
04:43:14,110 --> 04:43:15,110
You don't see anybody online?

3216
04:43:15,530 --> 04:43:16,050
All right.

3217
04:43:17,350 --> 04:43:19,970
That ends the testimony today on this item.

3218
04:43:21,450 --> 04:43:26,210
Next item, if you'd like to announce e-commence.

3219
04:43:30,270 --> 04:43:35,670
Item 10, e-commence submitted to the Committee on Parks and Culture via the County Legislative Information Center.

3220
04:43:36,750 --> 04:43:37,390
All right.

3221
04:43:37,610 --> 04:43:39,690
Have there been any e-commence, Mr. Vice Chair?

3222
04:43:40,010 --> 04:43:41,790
If there are any, there will be heads and files.

3223
04:43:44,170 --> 04:43:48,450
Seeing none, one quick announcement for, in terms of our committee,

3224
04:43:48,450 --> 04:43:55,730
The January 20th date for committee, which is on a Tuesday, and 9 o'clock will be moved to Thursday at 9 o'clock.

3225
04:43:56,330 --> 04:44:04,450
I have a flight that's coming in late. I want to be there. So January 20th will be January 22nd.

3226
04:44:05,170 --> 04:44:09,230
9 a.m. it was updated in click and it's been publicly notified already.

3227
04:44:09,990 --> 04:44:11,750
So be prepared for that one day change.

3228
04:44:11,750 --> 04:44:16,290
And otherwise, is there a motion for adjournment?

3229
04:44:17,090 --> 04:44:18,630
All of you for adjournment?

3230
04:44:18,910 --> 04:44:20,470
Aye. All right. We're done.