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[0:00] Good evening, everybody. Welcome to this regular council meeting for the City of Mission for March 2nd. I would like to acknowledge
[0:10] before we begin tonight that we're gathered this evening on the unseated and ancestral and shared territories of the Stolo people.
[0:16] The mission is specifically located in the traditional territories of the Katsi, Quantland, Wakam, Math, Quies, Samath, and Scalots, First Nations. We welcome everybody here this evening.
[0:26] We have a poll list of presentations and public hearings this evening. So please be patient. I will ask for a motion to adopt the agenda.
[0:36] Move by councilor Hurr, second by councilor Plexus. I don't believe there are any changes from anybody on staff. Is that correct?
[0:42] Ready for the question? All those in favor? Opposed. The motion or the agenda has been adopted. So we begin this evening with a presentation from Treena Cannon, the Executive Director for Fraser Health in this area.
[0:56] And Dr. Paul Thuron, the Site Medical Director for Mission Memorial Hospital. We welcome them to come. You've got lots of folks who are interested I think in this subject. That may not be the main reason I came out here this evening, but I guarantee you they're all interested in what you have to say.
[1:10] Welcome in. Please come up to the microphone and speak.
[1:20] There we go. Hello everyone. I'm Dr. Thuron from Mission Hospital. No number of faces around the room and number of faces I don't know, but thank you for inviting us to present today.
[1:32] I would imagine I think a lot of the focus or the concern in the community around the council chambers here would be with the disruption to emergency services at the hospital over the past two years.
[1:44] I think everyone is quite aware that we had a significant flood in the emergency room in 2024, it's a little bit over two years now.
[1:51] And quite a slow, sluggish timeline to eventually get our project approved for renovation of the emergency room.
[1:59] Fortunately, it has been recently announced that project is well underway. Design is completed. The project has been awarded to the construction firm.
[2:09] They have started with construction and pre-construction activities in the past few weeks.
[2:15] Our hope is to have it completed by February of 2027, which would bring a significant expansion to emergency service infrastructure at the hospital.
[2:25] And by proxy, we expect that it will hopefully lead to enhance the hiring and staff retention.
[2:31] As we move forward, it's been quite difficult over the past two years for us to retain staff.
[2:35] The province and the community is struggling with healthcare services and human resources in the healthcare environment.
[2:41] Not mission only, but we certainly have felt more of the acute pinch over the past couple of years.
[2:47] But that being said, maybe we move on to the next slide.
[2:51] We have a control there, there we go.
[2:55] All right.
[2:57] Often we have questions in terms of the activities that lead up to one of these service adaptations, if I have to use the health authorities parlance.
[3:06] I think it's important to note that we, in any given months and through the year, have a significant amount of vacancies giving going into any given month.
[3:16] We work with our partners at other sites across the health authority out of health authority trying to be creative with staffing with hiring with local coverage.
[3:25] There has been additional incentives offered in the past by the health authority, which is in a physically constrained environment like the province finds itself in this point.
[3:33] The ministry has felt is not sustainable in the longer term, but we work right up until the day of to look at covering those vacancies.
[3:41] And more often than not, the community does not ever become aware that there was a likely disruption in services as we are able to fill it perhaps sometimes a day before.
[3:50] So as you can see there on the screen, we have covered at least 95% of all shifts in the emergency department over the past fiscal year, but as rural aware there has been some gaps in that coverage.
[4:04] We have managed to hire four new physicians to the hospital to the emergency department in the past six months.
[4:10] Unfortunately, that is counterbalanced against the number of physicians that have also lifted a department, so it is even flow.
[4:16] We have a number of new recruits that we're in the process of hiring and hope to have them join the department in the next six months.
[4:22] Hopefully by the end of the summer, which will definitely help to give us a little bit of a staffing buffer provides some stability and hopefully by then we will start to see the end of these service adaptations.
[4:33] Our staffing model is family physician, you know, forward.
[4:38] The services in mission as far as the hospital is concerned in patient coverage, emerging to coverage, running in the long-term care facility, the UPCC, which was opened.
[4:48] Any addiction services maternity programs, it all comes through family physicians.
[4:52] So any family physicians hired into the community, full full number of different roles.
[4:57] The emergency department is challenged with its current physical space and infrastructure.
[5:03] Unfortunately, that does often lead to physicians being less inclined to want to work in an environment.
[5:08] And that's again, in our way, why we hope that the restoration and renovation project will lead to better hiring going forward.
[5:14] The inpatient program admission previously set by family physicians, running on their own patients.
[5:21] The adopted the same inpatient hospital model that most of the other hospitals in Fraser Health now have.
[5:26] And that was established in 2016. That model's been incredibly stable.
[5:29] It's led to around the clock presence of physicians at the hospital from 8 a.m. until midnight every day.
[5:35] With much better throughput of patients and being able to use that staffing model against, you know, limited bed spaces and care spaces in the hospital.
[5:43] The enables us to be one of the better flowing hospitals in the health authority are metrics, you know, speak for themselves in that regard.
[5:51] We'll move on to the next slide.
[5:52] Perhaps before you go on to the next slide, if you could, Dr. Thuron.
[5:56] I know some of us are familiar with that model or what a hospitalist does.
[6:00] But perhaps you could give us a sentence or two to explain what that model means.
[6:05] Of course.
[6:06] The hospitalist really refers to a physician that is in the hospital working in the hospital looking after admitted patients.
[6:11] And those patients are both on the acute medical program, the hospital's path program, which is a non-acute condolation unit.
[6:18] The dealing with more complex discharge planning issues.
[6:21] The rounding physicians are family physicians from the community.
[6:26] So they're not coming in from other communities.
[6:28] They are members of our medical staff and division.
[6:31] In addition, that take time out of their office to come and work in the hospital.
[6:35] And we do that for a week at a time.
[6:37] Hours are 8 to 6 p.m. with evening rounding up to midnight as well.
[6:42] So again, as we hire physicians into the community, some of those hours that they spend.
[6:47] In their professional life is in their office.
[6:49] But we'll also be in the hospitalist program.
[6:51] Some of them in the emergency department and some of the other programs you saw in the screen as well.
[6:55] Thank you.
[7:01] I just want to thank everyone for having me here today.
[7:04] I'm the interim executive as I mentioned.
[7:07] And I've been overseeing mission for sits September as an executive.
[7:12] But working with the healthcare organization since 1997.
[7:16] I am a frontline nurse.
[7:18] And with that, I just want to say I want to acknowledge Paul.
[7:22] Because Paul has been done doing multiple.
[7:25] Many hours outside of the regular hours to support and to ensure that we have the emergency physicians.
[7:32] And as you mentioned, it is sometimes the last minute.
[7:36] We're kind of trying to fill the gaps for our emergency.
[7:40] And our goal was always to fill those gaps.
[7:43] And we definitely, you know, acknowledge.
[7:47] And I want to to share that we're ongoing.
[7:51] And our vision is always to ensure that we have that support that we need for our community.
[7:57] And so with that, I really wanted to share our advanced new services that we have for mission.
[8:04] And since I've been there.
[8:06] The advocacy that we do have for our staff and our community is amazing.
[8:11] And so the things that we've done in regards to advanced nurse services regarding the.
[8:17] As Paul mentioned, around the four emergency physicians that's for 24 hours.
[8:22] We have respiratory therapists is available now for seven days a week for our mission.
[8:28] So this actually helps to decrease the transfer patients to other sites.
[8:33] But we can able to provide that holistic care for our patients.
[8:37] That is seconds fence was launched in 2023.
[8:41] Internal medicine is available five days a week.
[8:44] So those the physicians have the specialty knowledge to provide that.
[8:49] Care for those patients that are needed in that complex acute oversight.
[8:54] Chesapeake and clinic is available twice per week.
[8:57] As well as we have virtual geriatric psychiatry support provided by our raw,
[9:02] clummy in hospital.
[9:04] So one of the things that I.
[9:06] As Paul very advocated was for us to have inpatient alter monitors.
[9:11] So we're going to be.
[9:12] We're glad to say that we're going to start into do that and support our patients in the inpatient.
[9:17] So we don't have to transfer those patients out.
[9:20] But we can monitor them in our inpatient area.
[9:23] The also is our high flow oxygen therapy is caught air.
[9:26] So those are patients that are needing that extra support of oxygen.
[9:30] And so we've had implement that for our site.
[9:34] As well as search beds.
[9:36] So what that means is that times when we do have an increase in a.
[9:40] Congestion for needing support for patients.
[9:44] We've increased it now to 36 funded beds.
[9:48] And.
[9:50] And then with that we've increased our nursing ratio.
[9:53] So we have one to four now for patients and that's a standardized.
[9:58] And we're going to realize for across the organization as well.
[10:02] So mission has been very successful.
[10:04] And I what I've seen as well is that we have nurses that are traveling from other cities and
[10:09] Langley and those areas that really want to come work in mission.
[10:13] And it's really, you know, we have a really robust.
[10:17] Wellness committee that I'm just it's just been quite.
[10:22] Heartwarming to see.
[10:24] The others I just want to highlight.
[10:26] So emergency is just a little part of our journey.
[10:29] And so it is really being able to focus on what do we have in our communities.
[10:34] And as for patients, ensure that we.
[10:36] Are able to maximize the service that we have in our community.
[10:40] And so with that we have the mission urgent and primary care center.
[10:44] And we have a very strong community based service that is central in supporting our community as well.
[10:53] So the mission you PCC is supported more than 14,000 patients since they opened.
[11:01] As well as 28 percent of patients served in 2025 we're not attached to a prominent care provider.
[11:08] So they've helped to support those patients that don't have a physician.
[11:14] And then with that providing care to 66 approximately 66 patients per day on average as well.
[11:21] And then 40 percent of all the appointments in 2025 occurred after hour.
[11:27] So it's really highlighting that the utilization of this service as been.
[11:35] I would say their.
[11:37] The access of care for our urgent primary care is continuing to review their services deliverables.
[11:45] I also want to highlight that as a overseen home health and and home support in the community.
[11:53] We've had we got 541 patients that are seen in mission through home health clients.
[12:00] And then 98 hundred hours that are supported by her home support as well.
[12:08] So in closing I just want to say as I mentioned earlier.
[12:14] There is so much relationships and partnerships that we do that's outside of the office the hospitals one we have a lot of strong connection.
[12:24] I know Paul and I while I co-chair with Paul as well.
[12:28] We have a community committee that really folks and what can we do to improve our patients journey and our pathway for our patients.
[12:37] So there's ongoing.
[12:39] Conversation but I'm really grateful for the collaboration and the support that we received from our partners such as.
[12:47] Like said city of mission our indigenous communities.
[12:50] Our foundation and many others including our our CMP mission far rescue services correction.
[12:57] BC the mission hospital society and the mission health care auxiliary and also want to highlight we have great partnership with our family division in in mission as well.
[13:08] And so with that it allows us to be more proactive.
[13:11] Transparent and responsive to the challenges that we all we do see as well.
[13:16] So it's really it is a lot of connection that we do and I think that's just.
[13:23] That conversation and connection is it's so key and I think that's where we're here today to say that that's the work that we're doing every day is ensure.
[13:32] That there is no gaps and there's no harm to our patients but be able to support what is needed so.
[13:38] It is working together as a team based primary care and then coordination across their hospital and our emergency services but I also want to highlight that we are part of one of 12 hospitals in the region.
[13:52] So we do have a region that supports each other and ensure that patients are being transferred to the care that is needed for for for them as well.
[14:02] So with that I just want to say thank you.
[14:05] One thing I do want to had in regards to mental health I know that comes out quite often in regards to mental health and what what is it that we have in our community right now that supports our clients.
[14:17] So we do have a regional adult community service referrals and that's for primary care can access that for patients so that they can get to specialized care that is needed and then Fraser health as an access line so this is where it's.
[14:32] Access for mental health and substance use and it is around what's the best fit for the patient these so they basically are to triage to ensure that they are getting the service that they need.
[14:43] As well we have a rapid access and addiction care clinic that is air and mission and so clients can go in there and be able to be assessed and to be followed up to ensure that they're not getting lost in our systems so there's lots of things.
[14:58] That that resource.
[15:00] This is that are supported in our mission community as well.
[15:04] Thank you.
[15:05] Thank you.
[15:06] I'll say two things and then turn over to questions and I'm certain we'll have many.
[15:10] The first is I just want to thank you both as well as Minister Osborne for the fact that you have made yourselves very very available outside of typical hours even when there's the small chance that there may not be staffing.
[15:25] I hear from one or all three of you and we have a good dialogue and you give me not only the weather report, but the lay in the land.
[15:34] And I'm not surprised that the number comes out to 94.5 percent because most of the time you're able to do that.
[15:40] And Dr. Thuron, I don't know how you have time to do medicine because you're constantly trying to find people to work here.
[15:47] So I appreciate that. I also appreciate advocacy that the medical community has provided to help us move from CT scanner to flood repair to 141 percent more of the beds that we have and the other amenities you spoke of.
[16:01] I also anticipate there'll be some questions here today regarding physician recruitment and retention and I know that that's not entirely in your domain, but we'll do our best to answer those questions with you from Fraser health part of things.
[16:16] And I wanted to just let colleagues on Council and the opportunity to know we're working with Fraser Health on organizing two North Fraser forums which have the opportunity to get into some of this.
[16:28] In more detail and have opportunities for the community to interact and speak with Fraser health with their concerns and their ideas.
[16:35] So we'll be doing more of this work.
[16:38] Questions. I've got Council or Hamilton Council or Elias Council or Plexus Council or Gil. Thank you. So we'll get everybody go ahead. Council.
[16:46] Thank you, Mayor Horn. I do our guests.
[16:48] My question is a comment and I want to thank you for being here tonight to shed a light on what's going on in our hospital and particularly our emergency room because we regularly get the keyboard warriors on Facebook calling us out about our ER and you know it's still going to close no matter what we do there.
[17:07] I hope your presentation tonight will resonate with some of the folks to say, you know what it's not going anywhere it's improving and we'll be proud of the hospital that we have when it stands up. Thank you for being here.
[17:18] Thank you very much.
[17:20] I would say it's important for us to have the community be aware that the ability to add services, expand services, isolate the hospital from necessary being overly reliant on other peripheral programs and hospitals is really important for us.
[17:37] The ability to have added and expanded some existing programs even in a facility called strain environment.
[17:44] It has been a win but it's not without need for very vigorous advocacy on on my part and trainers part but thank you very much for your comments.
[17:51] Here's my speaker's order, Council or Elias then Council Plexus Gil Davies and Councilor Hurard. Did you want to get in there? Okay thank you. All right so Councilor Elias.
[18:01] Thank you, Mayor Hurard and thank you, Dr. Hurard. You're on for being here as well as Miss Cannon. Thank you so much.
[18:07] So again, I find myself perplexed with this because as a municipality this isn't our domain to be in. However, we are doing so to be able to support our community and support Fraser Health as well.
[18:18] And so my question to you is what do you need from the city to help incentivize physicians to choose to live and work in play in mission.
[18:28] That's a good question and it's hard to quantify. What does that make somebody choose to move to a specific community.
[18:36] The typical feedback we receive from physicians that we hire to the hospital and often leave are that they feel this issues with the peripheral support not within the confines of mission hospital per se but at a regional level the difficulty with transferring patients to other hospitals.
[18:52] Not always in the control of other sites either all hospitals are often over capacity and and under supported from a staffing perspective and underfunded.
[19:00] That's a reality.
[19:02] So that continues to be a challenge and more often not physicians will enough settling in areas where they feel there is more community or acute supports for them and more peripheral services,
[19:11] to enable them to provide care at the top of their professional capacity.
[19:16] And those are not things that the council and the municipality can necessarily directly address.
[19:20] That's the model of care that the Ministry and Fresalth has set out across the region.
[19:24] And I think a lot of people in this chamber probably were a time when Mission Hospital has had an ICU and had maternity in the hospital.
[19:32] And as models evolve over and and and change some of these services get removed that of a specific community into this hub and spoke model that that really exists throughout the health authority.
[19:43] The things that attract professionals in a community are good quality schools it's it's good social public transport networks it's ample opportunities not just for the professional during the hospital but for their spouse and other family members to work and live in the community as well.
[19:58] So that's kind of indirect the efforts that expanding the community and infrastructure in the community and I really keep it in the hospital as well.
[20:05] Thank you.
[20:06] Thank you council.
[20:08] Thank you Mr. Terran and for your presentation and for your leadership in the community and in the hospital and the energy you bring I think it's really important for the community.
[20:16] I think you're very.
[20:18] I'm not just well versed but you're very clearly understand how the communities need and how to meet them you're trying to achieve some goals.
[20:25] My one of my questions was in regards to the urgent care primary care facility in the kid there were 16,000 patients and 50 I think 43% of more after hours.
[20:36] Do you keep an idea the level of care the type of care that being provided with the whether it's a simple just getting some attention or did they get some type of physical attention.
[20:47] How many do you send out to the hospital that was referred for further attention.
[20:52] The urgent primary care model is largely focused around episodic care meaning occasionally interactions but not developing a longitudinal relationship with in particular patient.
[21:03] That's where we require family physicians in the community to provide that attachment service for patients to have that longitudinal relationship.
[21:11] The UBCC is funded directly through the ministry so it is not coming from the hospital's operational budget.
[21:18] And that service that model of care involves a number of adult health professionals, social workers, nurses, LPNs working in that setting.
[21:27] But also as part of that team model is to have a physician or nurse practitioner.
[21:33] There are certainly some days especially at the early inception of the program where they did not always have a nurse practitioner or physician provider working in the clinic.
[21:42] So oftentimes the interventions there would largely be advisory in nature and would require a redirect to our hospital or to another hospital depending on what the patient is presenting with.
[21:51] They have done a lot better over the last 12 months with regular staffing in terms of their provider coverage.
[21:57] And that is led to us being able to at times of peak pressure actually redirect patients with lower security needs from the hospital to the urgent primary care clinic.
[22:05] The UBCC also provides a follow-up service for unattached patients as you saw on the screen there by 30% of their visits were from unattached patients and we see the same statistics coming through the hospital as well.
[22:18] So often having a close loop for follow-up after issues that present to the hospital require additional outpatient investigations or outpatient follow-up of some sort.
[22:26] That provides a much needed service for us to redirect patients for that low-acuity non-merging follow-up after they come to the hospital.
[22:33] Right.
[22:34] Perhaps I could ask you to augment that answer or something that I don't know if I heard it from his canning or from Minister Osborne.
[22:40] But the opposite seems to be the truth here is that we're seeing a higher than usual number of low-acuity cases showing up at our ER.
[22:49] So it's not that urgent care refers to Abbotsford.
[22:52] It's more likely that some of the folks that are going to Mission Memorial ER would be better served and faster served at urgent primary care.
[23:00] And that would then have an expediting effect on the people who are sort of correctly at ER.
[23:05] Is that a safe summary of it?
[23:07] It's a fair statement.
[23:08] We have seen in our statistics in terms of registration data and acuity category scoring that we use at the hospital that over the past 12 plus months since the UBCC opened and staffing stabilized.
[23:18] That we have had a higher percentage of higher-recuity presentations of our total numbers to the hospital and less low-acuity presentations.
[23:26] So other patients are choosing to pre-direct themselves to the UBCC or were able to at the point of triage redirect those patients away from the hospital if their needs are met elsewhere.
[23:36] Thank you.
[23:37] Thank you.
[23:38] Thank you.
[23:39] And I think you increased the hours there as well.
[23:41] Really, right.
[23:42] But nearly doubled, I believe.
[23:43] I think that I would like to like to take responsibility for that.
[23:47] But it's nothing to do with me.
[23:48] Unfortunately.
[23:49] The only other question I had to do appreciate your responses and questions is looking at the hospital itself.
[23:55] And I don't know how many beds are actually in the hospital, but you've indicated you got 36 funded beds.
[24:01] Those all of the beds are more beds than that in the hospital.
[24:04] They've been utilized.
[24:05] One point someone mentioned to me, the beds may have been used for overflow,
[24:09] for bringing people back to matters for ongoing care because they couldn't, because they were overflowing at absolute correct.
[24:16] I'll expand on that a little bit.
[24:17] So our hospital has a couple of different parallel clinical programs.
[24:21] So the 36 funded beds that you're referring to is within the acute medical program.
[24:25] Those are acutely sick patients to be admitted through the emerging department.
[24:28] We have an additional 20-bit path program, which is our non-acut condolation program.
[24:33] Those are often patients referred to the hospital from other sites predominantly Abbotsford.
[24:37] That require a prolonged course of low-recuity rehabilitation or some complex services
[24:43] that they need in the community to facilitate their discharge.
[24:45] There's also a 10-bit hospice unit on the top floor of the hospital.
[24:50] So that's our total bit, basically, the 66-bits.
[24:54] The surge capacity is limited in mission.
[24:57] Our space is very, very, very tight.
[25:00] In basement contemporary standards, one could even say the hospital is at double capacity at all times.
[25:05] So we have a couple of spaces that we will surge into during seasonal flux over the Christmas holiday period with increased respiratory presentations.
[25:15] That we can place those patients into a temporary surge unit in the medical unit.
[25:19] So we basically will go up to 40-bits if needs demand.
[25:24] And we will sometimes also have patients admitted in the emergency room that unfortunately,
[25:28] because of constraints and bit spaces.
[25:30] We'll have to remain in the emergency room for an extended period of time.
[25:33] Thank you for your conversation.
[25:34] Today, I really appreciate all of you doing.
[25:36] Thank you.
[25:37] One thing before I go on to Councilor Gill is you mentioned all those beds.
[25:42] The reporting often refers to the expansion by 35% of the ER, but really in terms of the number of spaces in the ER.
[25:50] I think from 17-41, is that correct?
[25:53] It's about 140% improvement.
[25:56] The floor space may not necessarily be growing that much, but the utility of it is getting quite expanded.
[26:02] Absolutely true.
[26:03] Councilor Gill.
[26:04] I think you may have heard.
[26:05] I just want to say thank you so much for all the work both you guys do.
[26:09] As a community, we do appreciate it.
[26:12] I know when we talk about health care and I'm sure it frustrates you guys as well.
[26:17] But also frustrates me, you know, looking at how much I pay in taxes to the health care system.
[26:22] I just like, you know, where's the money going?
[26:25] I guess the first question I have is just the physicians.
[26:28] I know I've read recently just the work that the province is doing on recruiting doctors and making it easier for doctors coming in from abroad or getting reclassified.
[26:39] Has that started to make a difference on the ground yet?
[26:42] We are seeing a number of physicians joining the regional programs.
[26:46] We haven't necessarily seen a lot of that traffic directed into this community up to now.
[26:52] We are aware of many U.S. physicians that are either in the pre-registration process or have already joined other sites within the health authority.
[26:59] So it is seeming to start to make some inroads.
[27:02] The time from when these recruitment drives happen to stuff expressing interest.
[27:07] Being hired is often multiple months of required notice where they're coming from and work permits.
[27:13] It is multiple steps in that process, eventually arriving here.
[27:17] The hiring is also through multiple streams.
[27:21] So you have your physicians that have qualifications that are considered equivalent by the Canadian Medical Association.
[27:28] And they can register and work with relative ease within Canada.
[27:32] Unfortunately, each province also has its own registering and supervisory body.
[27:35] So that registration is both at a federal and provincial level.
[27:38] And does limited ability to move between provinces.
[27:41] We have seen there some working done to take away these restrictions and create a unified registration process,
[27:47] which would provide more more mobility for physicians within Canada's borders.
[27:53] Then you also have the domestically qualified physicians that once they qualify will decide where they wish to work.
[28:00] Canada is one of the few countries within the Commonwealth that does not have a return of service program.
[28:05] So if you qualify in Canada, there is no return of service expectation to work in the community that you were trained or within the province that you were trained.
[28:14] And you know, as physicians are qualified can choose how many hours they wish to work in which kind of arrangement.
[28:20] That is fairly unique to Canada, South Africa, where I come from has a community service model.
[28:25] We actually provide three years of community service before we can go into pin practice.
[28:29] And that model provides you with a structured pathway to place physicians in especially underserved communities.
[28:34] Which we find will often then remain in those communities once they settle down social routes and become engaged at the hospital too.
[28:41] So there are opportunities to improve the distribution of physicians within the province's borders.
[28:46] You also have international medical graduates that will come to the province in country, but the college has set a specific pathway for them towards independent practice that requires three years of supervised practice.
[28:58] And that is very individualized based on their supervisor, how they allow them to work outside of the clinic that they recruited into.
[29:06] Some supervisors will allow them to work in the hospital setting, do long longitudinal care, work long, long-term care, maternity care, etc.
[29:15] That is very variable.
[29:16] So mission has, through its division of family practice, hired 11 physicians into the community since 2020.
[29:25] Unfortunately, only one of them worked in the hospital.
[29:28] So there is a disconnect between physician recruitment into the community, but that translating into additional staffing in the hospital.
[29:35] I appreciate that. I guess my next question is, I know I do hear from members of the community that say, you know, they do go to emergent and the wait times are quite lengthy.
[29:45] And that's just not mission based. You know, you go to have support, you go to Siri, you can go anywhere and the wait times are quite lengthy. Is it just because of due to the shortage of doctors?
[29:55] The challenge for mission is, is multi-pronged at this, at this time.
[30:00] Officially. Missions, emergency emergency department is a single coverage physician department, meaning that from, you know, let's say at a clock in the morning until 5 PM in the afternoon, there's a single emergency room physician in the hospital.
[30:11] And with high QD cases, or active resuscitations, that physician can become engaged with that particular patient for quite a long period of time.
[30:19] While patients continue to register for the emergency department, the net will extend the wait.
[30:24] We have advocated strongly not to have our emergency wait times published on the health authority tracker, which a lot of patients look at.
[30:32] For that very specific reason, it can fluctuate so significantly from moment to moment.
[30:36] We're further bottlenecked by the current space, while we're working out of what used to be our ambulatory care space and endoscopy prep and recovery area.
[30:46] We're working out of what is about the third of the space of what the emergency department was before the flood.
[30:52] And it is actually quite amazing that the team is able to maintain a very similar throughput of about 75 to 80 patients per 24 hours within this really constrained space.
[31:01] So there's a lot of work that happens at the hospital to create opportunities for flow and place patients in the right spaces.
[31:07] The emergency department also had to appropriate about five inpatient care spaces from the medical program to create a space for us to see patients.
[31:16] So once the emergency department moves back into its original footprint, we'll see our acute bed space potentially increases as well.
[31:22] And sorry, just for clarification, you said singles, sorry, what was the single for the doctor you had?
[31:29] The single coverage model, so it means as opposed to a larger hospital like Abbotsford, which has seven to eight physicians per 24 hours.
[31:36] We have three physicians per 24 hours.
[31:39] Is there a push once the extension happens to get away from the single coverage and to have something similar to our support?
[31:46] Absolutely, we have in the past seen peak volumes up to about 100 or sometimes more patients per 24 hours.
[31:52] That volume of patients, especially with the increasing complexity that we're seeing, would typically require four to five physicians working in over that model per 24 hours.
[32:02] But as we can tell, we're severely challenged with staffing, so we're able to achieve that level of staffing or redundancy.
[32:08] Would require a lot more hiring than what we've been able to achieve recently.
[32:12] That's great information.
[32:14] And I guess my next question is, I know folks in the community always talk about when mission had their maternity.
[32:20] Can you talk a little bit about that? Is there any plans in the future for maternity or is that even coming up in discussion?
[32:26] Or because of mission hospital being with the regional model, we're really going to rely on Abbotsford for maternity.
[32:32] So maternity services are both in the acute setting at the time of delivery or anti-natally post-natally.
[32:39] Especially with complicated patients.
[32:41] And then you have the community part of that, the prenatal follow-up that happens from week zero to week 40.
[32:47] Mission had a maternity group doing that anti-natal care.
[32:53] But again, because of loss of physicians within the community, the specialised in that particular field.
[33:00] We lost that program a couple of years ago.
[33:03] The obstetrics and gynecology programs across the health authority and province are challenged.
[33:08] We've seen other health authorities have closures of their OB-GYN departments such as Cologne, a general.
[33:14] We've seen it at Ridge Meadows recently, so it is highly unlikely at this time that we would see maternity services return to mission.
[33:21] We neither have the facilities nor space to provide adequate care for those patients at this time.
[33:27] We did go through a master planning.
[33:31] It's called it exercise.
[33:34] Approximately two years ago, looking at the size of the community, projected population growth, current services in the hospital, space infrastructure and so forth.
[33:42] With a number of recommendations coming from that process in terms of expanding existing programs or adding additional programs.
[33:48] But maternity did not come up as a high-demand service formation at this time.
[33:53] Again, just based on what we know from our physician staffing model.
[33:56] Perhaps I can ask a follow up on your question.
[33:59] It's been explained to me.
[34:02] As a bit of a rumor out there has always been this legend that it was a funding cut that led to that.
[34:07] But what's been explained to me by positions is that it was a matter of inadequate hours and proficiency.
[34:15] In order to maintain their standards as OBGYNs, they needed to have more patients coming through.
[34:22] And the regional model meant though those patients were likely going more to an avid's for regional than mission memorial.
[34:28] Is that accurate?
[34:29] Is it really largely a function of being able to provide enough doctors and enough patients for those doctors when the move happened?
[34:37] I don't know if you were, you thought that weren't here, doctor's wrong.
[34:40] Yeah, that actually predates me.
[34:42] I moved to the community in 2012, so it's been longer than that since the hospital had maternity services.
[34:47] But that would definitely be a large part of it.
[34:50] Not only the ability to have patients going to labor in the hospital and deliver in the hospital,
[34:55] but you need those and salary services, such as pediatrics or pediatric ICU or unital ICU, which mission doesn't have.
[35:03] So then if there's something goes wrong, exactly.
[35:05] So you want to have the infrastructure to know that any patient that comes to the hospital for labor can be carried for adequately.
[35:11] Thank you.
[35:12] Back to you, council.
[35:13] Thank you.
[35:14] No worries.
[35:15] And thank you.
[35:16] I think that's important information for the community.
[35:19] And I do appreciate you guys coming before the community and presenting.
[35:23] So, you know, I hope you guys, you know, continue the hard work.
[35:26] And if there's anything we can do to lobby at the federal or provincial level.
[35:30] You know, we're there.
[35:31] Thank you.
[35:32] Thank you very much, Councillor.
[35:33] I've got Councillor Davies followed by Councillor Hurrah.
[35:36] Thank you, doctor.
[35:37] And this is getting for coming tonight.
[35:39] I really appreciate the information you've come and shared with the community.
[35:42] You answered one of my questions regarding wait times on the website and why that.
[35:47] My mission is absent.
[35:48] I do have a second question on the urgent primary care center, which is, you know, there's a lot of times people get turned away because they don't meet the criteria necessary for the urgent primary care center, right?
[36:01] They, they, they, they're either too acute or not acute enough.
[36:04] There seems to be a, a little bit of a sweet spot is to what they need to present or in a timeframe they need to get there.
[36:11] And it, it's, is there a way that a patient or resident can actually identify whether or not they should be going to emergency versus UPCC versus their regular doctor?
[36:25] I would say that there's not a medical program that is not acute enough to present to the UPCC.
[36:31] Right?
[36:32] That's the, that's the reason why we have a lower acute unit for those patients.
[36:36] That, so it necessarily needs to come in a certain way that the hospital for 46 hours.
[36:41] It can go in, oftentimes with a, with a, with a, with a preset appointment time and have their, you know, a concern addressed.
[36:47] So I would need more information about that particular comment to know that is, if that is the case.
[36:54] And as far as acute is concerned, but many patients are able to self triage based on their issue to have at least an idea whether we require the hospital or a less acute setting.
[37:06] But you will always have overlap where some patients might present to the hospital that didn't need to be there and some patients that didn't need to be there either.
[37:14] And, and that's why we have a, you know, good communication strategy between the two and kind of redirect patients really quickly between the two sites.
[37:22] It, it's, it's very hard to give such a detailed scope for patients who be able to pre triage based on their symptom or concern to say you should go here, but you should not go here.
[37:33] What we, what we feel, and what ends up being the underlying issue, that's why we go to the hospital to often get X-rays blood tests, things like that in a physical examination.
[37:43] It, it's, it's not in the scope of the, you know, average citizen to be able to make that predetermination what their issue is.
[37:49] So, if, if, if we have a patient's present, we will get them to the right care at the right time, but yes, sometimes it might require a redirect to another location.
[37:58] You can answer her.
[38:00] Thank you, Mayor Horn. Thank you so much for, presentation and I see progress in the right direction.
[38:06] My question about recruitment has kind of been answered, but once we identified candidates from abroad, how long is the process for them to come to Canada to start working here?
[38:17] Patients on what jurisdiction they're coming from, and some of the, you know, individual constraints in their timeline.
[38:23] For most physicians, once they've expressed an interest, once we've had an interview with them, presented a job offer.
[38:30] The time from them applying for work permit, applying for licensing can be anything from six or 12 months.
[38:36] The province has done some work to tighten up in those timelines.
[38:39] But the processing of applications through the physician's college has shortened, and we've heard from some physicians joining that it's short-term now that it used to be for for other people that have joined in the past.
[38:50] But the immigration component of that work permitting or permanent residency applications that can still be quite protracted.
[38:57] Great.
[38:58] And has that program been successful overall?
[39:00] People have been coming here to Canada to work do you stay here or they go back or like, I was, I've been working out.
[39:06] I don't think that I'm necessarily the best-positioned person to answer that question with statistics.
[39:10] I would probably be a question better directly to the ministry.
[39:13] How's the new SFU medical school going to help us out in the long run in terms of the first undergraduates are entering that program now in September of 2026?
[39:24] That's a slightly abbreviated program for your program.
[39:28] So the earliest graduates out of that program will qualify in 2021.
[39:32] So the earliest that we would see those physicians entering the workforce, 29, 20, 30.
[39:37] So what we will see in the short-term at the hospital, we've had some infrastructure improvements to provide data-cated learning spaces for the students.
[39:44] We are making sure that most of our staff have the UBC presided, the term for them, sorry, blanking on that term now.
[39:54] I see an educator qualification so that they can have students attach to them and have them join them in the emerging department or in the inpatient setting.
[40:02] So we can have as many students as possible in the hospital.
[40:05] There's often a kind of organic recruitment that happens through undergraduate students working in a certain community or in a certain hospital that they often become familiar with the staff, familiar with the programs, and we'll choose to stay in that community or hospital.
[40:19] Thank you so much.
[40:20] Thank you both.
[40:22] In my time on that council, before I was on council back to the days of the maternity closure and so forth.
[40:30] And in between my times on council, I've seen an evident flow in the relationship between the city and the ministry and Fraser Health.
[40:39] Right now I would say it is at one of its best places.
[40:44] When the last time I saw it be like this, we saw the investment in the community health center and the residences in mission.
[40:52] I think that we have demonstrated that when we work collaboratively, we can do so much more.
[40:58] You talked about some of the amendments are improvements here.
[41:01] You could have talked as well about many others.
[41:03] The 12 complex care beds that have been added here, for example.
[41:07] And we look forward to the continuing planning that we need to do that's also happening at the hospital district table of which I am the acting chair.
[41:15] And I have to say that there's lots of active work that going on there as well.
[41:19] We are a perplex and it's nothing to do with Fraser Health by some of the treasury board decisions that have come down the recent budget because we need the money from the province.
[41:28] I think the numbers here tonight and any time we have health care conversation in mission show that people care a lot about this community.
[41:36] There are a lot of things that will get people out, but nothing gets them out as much as health care.
[41:41] And so I really appreciate the collaborative approach that you both have taken the ministry is currently taking.
[41:46] We've seen some sea changes in leadership and the way that we're in bidirectional communication.
[41:51] So let's keep that going and we appreciate your time this evening.
[41:55] Thank you very much.
[41:56] Thank you.
[41:58] All right.
[41:59] And with that, we'll move on to our next presentation.
[42:02] We have our friends from city studio at UFB, the UFB Center for Experiential and Career Education.
[42:08] As we have Candice Stewart Smith and Larissa Horn, and they're going to come from the back row there.
[42:13] I was looking for you and you were sitting back there.
[42:16] Oh, you're going to introduce him and I just did that for you.
[42:19] I'm sorry Mr. Pain.
[42:20] Absolutely.
[42:21] No.
[42:23] So I will let you introduce these folks, but maybe what we'll do and let's let a few folks come in here.
[42:29] So maybe what I can do is ask Ms. Horn and Mr. Stewart Smith just to give us two seconds.
[42:35] If you're in the lobby and you want to come and sit inside, I would say there are.
[42:40] There are three or four chairs available in here and you're welcome to come in and thank you sir for moving over to create some space to appreciate that.
[42:47] If you want to stay up there you're welcome to, but I just wanted to make sure we allowed for transition.
[42:52] All right, it doesn't look like anybody's going to take us up on that offer.
[42:55] So Mr. Pain, the floor is yours and to our guests as well.
[42:59] I thank you again. I just wanted to take the time to introduce the team from UFB Center for Experiential and Career Education.
[43:07] We have the chance to connect over the last few months and kind of look at partnership and support that their team can offer us in the city.
[43:15] So I wanted you already introduced, but we have Ms. Candice Stewart Smith, who's the director of the center.
[43:21] And Ms. Larissa Horn, who's the experiential educational coordinator.
[43:28] It's a mouthful.
[43:29] Thank you very much.
[43:30] Welcome to both of you.
[43:32] Okay.
[43:42] Good evening, Mayor Horn and councillors and everyone who's here today.
[43:47] I'm exciting to see a big house.
[43:50] And so looking forward to sharing with you this great opportunity for our mission.
[43:57] For our mission to join a network of municipalities using student talent.
[44:03] So through research and community engagement to provide some challenges within the community community.
[44:11] And so when we and this is through city studio.
[44:15] So we'll talk a little bit more about that.
[44:17] When we look at the work that we've been doing with different municipalities.
[44:22] We want to bring 5,000 plus student hours in terms of research and project work.
[44:31] The investment comes at a cost so there's $1,500 annually and we'll talk a little bit more about that later in the presentation.
[44:39] And when we look at alignment, there are at least three strategic plans where our students can bring their talent to what the work of the city of mission.
[44:51] And again, there is no impact.
[44:54] So there's no permanent full time person.
[44:57] That's necessarily needed to do that.
[45:00] So sorry, I would just add. The additional advantage in mission is that we have three engaged community partners in the city.
[45:12] So from the committee, the future is north-raiser, that's Gwen Smith.
[45:16] Mission Community Skills Centre, so it was the Steven Evans and Mission Grid Head Investment Corporation.
[45:24] I'm St. C. Coffee, who's here with us today, Gwen and Steven Sands, there are regrets.
[45:32] How does city studio work? So the city will work with the city who identifies projects.
[45:40] We at the university will take a look at those projects, things about things about the courses, the faculty members that we can work with,
[45:48] and then create those student teams. So students will be working on projects in their classes.
[45:54] Students get out into the community, they get some mentorship learn about these challenges,
[46:00] they do some research, and then develop some solutions that are reviewed by their faculty members.
[46:06] So again, this is being done in the classroom. The ideas are brought to the city, so you all have an opportunity to go.
[46:14] So take a look at what the students are suggesting as some solutions, and then the city can either thank the students for the work.
[46:24] They can take the small part of the proposed ideas that the students came with.
[46:30] So again, it's up to the city to decide how you would want to implement those ideas.
[46:36] We think about the benefits for a city studio with the mission.
[46:40] So it's a cost effective, research and development capacity, it builds capacity for the city again.
[46:48] I mentioned that there's no full time person needing to do this work.
[46:52] We think about what the students are learning in their classrooms, bringing some fresh ideas and concepts and technologies
[46:58] to some of the challenges that have been faced in the community,
[47:02] and then for young people to be invested in mission to future.
[47:06] And when we think about it, again, just generally benefits to mission.
[47:16] So I've talked about at least three aligned plans, or strategic plans, or we aligned with strategic plans.
[47:22] And so when we think about the official community plan, you know, we've had students who've done work,
[47:28] and again, my colleague Lewis will talk a little bit more about that.
[47:32] So thinking about flood protection planning and density studies.
[47:36] And there's also alignment with the community wellness strategies.
[47:40] So thanks for Jason for introducing us today.
[47:42] So thinking about youth engagement and food security initiatives, which is another one of the priorities for mission community skill center.
[47:52] And Parks and Recreation, so I'm thinking of training development,
[47:58] heritage signing, science, and place-making.
[48:06] Good evening again, Miran.
[48:08] Council, thank you so much for having us here today.
[48:10] I'm going to go over some examples that were generated through collaborating with the city of mission and our community.
[48:18] Partners, for example, you see on the slide, the Silverdale Creek Parkway Trail project,
[48:24] that could have students design way-finding an interpretive signage, or different other components that city will do as priorities.
[48:32] Another one in the second row, youth engagement, youth civic engagement,
[48:38] that is an excellent opportunity for youth students to create innovative framework for youth participating in civic decisions on the process.
[48:46] And another one, a good project with identified so far the inclusive place-making project.
[48:52] That can focus on creative and inclusive public spaces around mission.
[48:56] When students can lead through design activities to build compassionate and resilient cities.
[49:02] We have accumulated at UV a wonderful set of expertise and practical experiences in such creative projects.
[49:10] To have been mobilized elsewhere in other communities in place-making.
[49:14] And there's a group of faculty who are very enthusiastic in engaging in this work.
[49:22] In terms of funding for such initiative, don't limit cities to do here in mission.
[49:26] A typical city-studio network fee is 30,000 a year.
[49:32] But due to our strong reputation with the city-studio Vancouver, which is a mother-organization at south of franchise.
[49:38] And the strengths of our partners here and the size of municipality itself.
[49:44] We were able to negotiate the price down by 50%, which now stands at 15,000 a year.
[49:50] And that means equal contribution of half of that amount on the part of UV and half of that amount on part of the city of mission.
[49:58] And UV is fully committed to contributing its share.
[50:02] So what would the city of mission get for that money?
[50:08] Over 5,000 student hours per year and can just already alluded to that.
[50:14] Faculty expertise, access to technology, access to innovative research,
[50:20] proofs of concepts that align with mission strategic plans and engagement,
[50:26] like civic engagement on the part of the students.
[50:28] And of course, city-studio has been a proven workshop workforce recruitment tool,
[50:34] particularly in Vancouver and other municipalities where it's been implemented.
[50:42] City-studio has been also proven model in the neighboring municipalities in particular in Abbotsford.
[50:48] And they are also engaged with start party community partners.
[50:54] And we're very appreciative again to have our community partners here in mission supporting us and some been present here.
[51:00] On this slide, you see the latest testimonials from such organizations as tourism Abotsford,
[51:06] for instance, with whom we've done multiple projects as a three-week elaboration between the city of Abotsford and tourism Abotsford
[51:12] or downtown business association, Abotsford, and we see great parallels with work that could be done here.
[51:20] What kind of projects students have done so far? They absolutely vary.
[51:24] From writing white papers, to research, to proofs of concept, to design and installation of creative community
[51:32] driven street banners that sometimes are actually sought after by municipalities, especially in which art is celebrated
[51:40] and flourished. Students also staged impactful art exhibits for social justice.
[51:48] They develop business plans related to climate change and accessibility and not only in work but living in general.
[51:56] Students have proposed innovative solutions in dealing with invasive species.
[52:00] They design solutions for more innovative forms of transportation and look at very busy corridors where traffic gets jammed.
[52:12] They address a problem with truck parking, of parklets, of creating more parking spaces around communities.
[52:20] They develop GIS maps for seniors and senior safety during climate events just to name a few projects.
[52:28] Just to summarize, our long-term vision is to establish a multi-year sustainable city-studio mission.
[52:40] A partnership that draws on student energy and faculty expertise and support of our community partners to deliver
[52:46] on meaningful and impactful practical projects for the city where young people can experiment, can investor, energy, the research,
[52:56] their skills and hopefully come and work and live in mission.
[53:00] At this time, we're working very closely with different departments within the city of mission organization to identify
[53:08] and draw upon either operational or some reserve resources to meet the 7500 commitment for the first pilot year.
[53:16] The tentative launch can happen as early as full this year, if not even earlier, depending on what kind of priority project city of mission will identify and we're ready to support that.
[53:28] Logistically, a contract for the first year pilot will need to be signed between city-studio Vancouver proper, UFV and city of mission,
[53:38] and UFV is committed to become an administrative partner and carry on with administrative responsibilities and allocators resources to that.
[53:45] So in conclusion, we're really looking forward to finalizing priority projects for this year and that pretty much completes our presentation,
[53:54] and we will be happy to address any questions.
[53:56] Thank you, I'll turn it over to questions in a moment, but it's just to be clear,
[54:00] and normally when we have delegations or presentations, there isn't a number in it because it can lead to a conversation about approving something.
[54:08] But staff are dealing with this, but the staff level is my understanding, there isn't a desire for approval.
[54:14] This is mostly to inform about the process that's already gone on and the budget is not going to need to come to us for this in this particular case.
[54:24] Yes, Mr. Red, that's correct. These expenditures will just be included in regular project budgets.
[54:29] Thank you, that's very much appreciated. I'll turn it over to questions. I'll go last with the question from myself. I've got accounts for her, I'll follow by Councillor Hamilton.
[54:37] Thank you, Mayor Horn. Thank you for the presentation.
[54:40] What year do the students have to be in their studies to participate in this project? They are the year one or the year four, how long the way are they?
[54:48] A long their studies.
[54:50] The absolute depends, students from any year of studies could really participate in this moreover at UVO in courage.
[54:56] What we call community engaged learning experiential learning, working the great learning as early as students join our institution because we really want to introduce them to community to what's important.
[55:06] And kind of align the set of skills that are developing in our classroom and meeting learning outcomes in conjunction with community needs.
[55:14] Experience shows that probably I would say about 60 or 65% of projects are conducted by third and fourth year students and probably the rest about 30% by first and second year.
[55:27] And they're very successful first year students sometimes are very eager to jump in in places like environmental services for instance or climate change.
[55:35] Students come to university very aware of this general problems in society and so we trust them with accomplishing that work.
[55:43] Is there specific majors? Are you looking like specific majors or studies that people the students are coming to participate or are they coming from specific departments?
[55:53] It really depends on the city's needs.
[55:56] We will go by what city will identify as key priorities and we will go and do matching with the disciplines.
[56:02] But we've seen the variety of disciplines across the board.
[56:04] Environmental services is huge, cultural services, youth engagement communications, business school of business.
[56:13] My understanding is that our team including the community leaders you spoke with would come up with some juicy projects and then you kind of put them out to your student body to see who.
[56:23] And they might be multidisciplinary right.
[56:27] Thanks. Thanks for having me.
[56:30] Thanks a lot. That's my question. Thank you.
[56:32] Councilor Hamilton.
[56:35] So just to be clear that the cost of $7,500 it would be for the first year pilot and you're looking for a multi year commitment.
[56:43] So after the first year it would go to $15,000.
[56:46] It's been identified as 15,000 a year with equal contributions of 7,500 from the city and university. That's how $15,000 comes together.
[56:56] So the amount stays.
[57:01] That would be the cost.
[57:03] Yes. Okay.
[57:04] Thank you.
[57:05] Three things for me.
[57:07] First, if you're interested in hearing what I think of your subject areas, your proposals, they all are very appealing.
[57:15] There's one more.
[57:16] And Mr. Payne's Bailey work includes it.
[57:18] We're working on which is a resource directory for people that needs to be appealing, easily navigated, updated, and ultimately would offer affordable housing.
[57:29] We've looked at others like, for example, the 211 line and so forth, but in fetch BC, but they don't have within them some local capacity that we're interested in such as how do you find affordable housing that might be offered in the informal market.
[57:45] How do you find job training and peer experiences that can lead to that?
[57:50] So I'd encourage Mr. Payne to talk further about that in this particular case.
[57:56] The second thing I want to do is say, I appreciate your creativity and perseverance because we first talked some time ago and what you've done and your professors must have been so proud of you when you were students.
[58:08] As you've just gone back and done more homework.
[58:11] And so you've gotten an explored finding more community partners, which was one of our conversations about diversifying the leadership.
[58:19] And secondly, the pencil has been sharpened further in terms of the number.
[58:23] That's really appreciated. And then finally, just to comment as a parent as a child in university, I can tell you that he's not coming to UFP, but I know this program exists elsewhere.
[58:35] And I'm going to encourage him to look at it because I think it is such an important inroads for people, for young people to have experiential learning and to go and rub shoulders with people who are already working in the sector.
[58:47] I know he craves that and I know many of his colleagues in school crave the opportunity to go from the esoteric and philosophical to the actual getting to make a difference.
[58:57] So this is really appealing as I listen to a young person going along his educational journey right now, so thank you for that as well.
[59:05] I don't think I see any outcomes or plexus.
[59:08] I just wanted to commend you and I think that it's really good that there's an opportunity within our community with our own post-secondary to be involved in community affairs and involved in some of the processes that we're working through in this community.
[59:20] So I commend you for suggesting those six projects and obviously I like to see something like this before, but wait and see.
[59:26] Thank you. Councillor Plexus is not brave enough to say this, but he's hoping there'll be one project that involves gardening on Canaan Street.
[59:34] It's very, very good. Thank you very much. Appreciate your time this evening. Thank you.
[59:41] With that, we'll move to Adam for aid the public hearings for this evening. We have two of them and so I'll read the public hearings script as always and then we'll work through each of them.
[59:50] This public hearing this evening is being convened pursuant to section 464 of the local government act in order to consider proposed bylaws that are listed on tonight's agenda.
[1:00:00] That copies of the relevant staff reports and related information respecting the subject amendment by
[1:00:05] lots have been available for public examination. On the city's website is part of the public
[1:00:10] hearing agenda. Copies of written submissions for each application received by the
[1:00:15] submission deadline have a distributed members of council and are available for public viewing
[1:00:19] on the city of Mission website. Anything that's come in since then I'll ask for a summary
[1:00:24] from our corporate officer. At these public hearings this evening all persons who consider
[1:00:29] their interest in property affected by a proposed by law shall be given an opportunity to be heard
[1:00:34] on matters contained within the by law. This meeting is being recorded in broadcast live on
[1:00:39] our website. The recording and the written minutes of the meeting will also be posted to the
[1:00:43] city's website. Speak as are able to provide comments and ask questions via in-person attendance or
[1:00:49] by Zoom using a webcam and speaker or by phone using the instructions in a Zoom email invitation.
[1:00:55] If you're watching the meeting through our usual website link and are not participating by
[1:00:59] Zoom please note there is a delay between the live meeting and the web broadcast so I'll be allowing
[1:01:04] pauses between speakers to ensure everyone is heard. I ask for everyone's patience in this
[1:01:10] regard we want to make sure we hear every person this evening. Each public hearing item will begin
[1:01:15] with a brief introduction by a staff member followed by a summary of written submissions received by
[1:01:20] our corporate officer and then I'll open the floor to the public. Firstly to our virtual participants
[1:01:26] I'll turn to Ms Cooper and then to participants in the chamber and I understand that this evening
[1:01:31] because we have the numbers we do we have a speakers list and Ms. Ms. Philopon is going to provide
[1:01:37] that to me and if it's updated she'll bring me a new version. Thank you very much.
[1:01:42] Once acknowledge each speaker must give their name and civic address for the record each vehicle will
[1:01:47] be allocated five minutes to make comments. Normally we're not quite as rigorous but we have a
[1:01:52] big crowd here tonight. We want to make sure we hear everybody so we're going to ask you to be considered
[1:01:56] of your neighbors and that's the first of two things I'll ask. If you go beyond that time you may be asked
[1:02:03] to conclude by the chair or if you're online you may be muted. After every IDL has been heard those
[1:02:10] that wish to speak for a second time will be afforded an opportunity to do so provided that they are bringing
[1:02:15] new information forward and that's the second thing I want to emphasize. If somebody is already
[1:02:20] raised a point please don't come up a second time just to say the same point. If it hasn't been said before
[1:02:27] definitely that's what the second opportunity is used for. Members of council may ask clarification
[1:02:33] questions up a person after they've spoken but the main function of council tonight is not to debate
[1:02:39] but to listen to the views of the public. No presentations or submissions will be received by council
[1:02:45] in any application after the public hearing for that application has been closed and lastly when
[1:02:50] a public hearing for one item has been closed the public hearing will continue with the next item on the
[1:02:55] agenda so tonight we have two public hearings in succession council may consider third reading of any of
[1:03:01] those subject by got by last later this evening or they may ask for third reading report as well and with that
[1:03:08] I will turn to Mr. Pablo I'm assuming on the first one and it's item four B so this is
[1:03:15] development application for 31828 low heat highway P2024-042 and we'll turn to Mr. Pablo.
[1:03:25] Public hearing through an application submitted by summiterth wirks to amend the OCP and
[1:03:31] 31828 low heat highway to permit a soil remediation and recycling facility.
[1:03:39] Application seeks to re-designate the site from employment major commercial to employment
[1:03:44] and to resume the property from institutional park recreation and civic zones to the comprehensive
[1:03:50] development 60 zone. So the plan showing the current OCP designations for the area the proposed
[1:03:59] amendment were resolved in allowing a suite of uses that are similar in nature to those found
[1:04:03] to the south of the subject property within the Sultara business park and the currently zone CD 34 is
[1:04:10] on directly to the south. As part of the OCP amendment the application was required to deduct an early
[1:04:19] consultation with the public as identified by the city's land 66 policy and engagement meeting was held
[1:04:25] November 12th of 2024 at the Mission Friendship Society building. There were noted that there were
[1:04:32] total of two members of the public attendance that includes excludes staff and council members who were
[1:04:39] in attendance. The primary focus of the discussion with regarding the changes in traffic along
[1:04:45] all of her street. Once the facility became operational it was noted that a TIA would be undertaken
[1:04:52] collectively with MOTT and the city prior to adoption. The facility at the proposed development the
[1:05:01] applicant is proposing in the comprehensive development zone CD 60. The proposed CD 60 zone is modeled
[1:05:08] on a combination of industrial business park zone and the industrial waste resource management zone,
[1:05:14] both which accommodate a broad range of industrial uses including limited commercial activities such
[1:05:19] as office space. CD 60 specifically includes the use of waste resource management to allow the proposed
[1:05:27] remediation facility. To further review of the draft CD 60 zone and in response to feedback from
[1:05:36] the public a minor technical clarification to the bylaws been identified that should be resolved prior
[1:05:41] to completion of the bylaws. As noted the CD 60 zone blends uses of the industrial business
[1:05:50] park one zone and the industrial waste resource management zone. The primary purpose of the proposed
[1:05:55] development is the noted so remediation facility on the majority of the site. The applicant has indicated
[1:06:02] that a small remaining portion of the site may be developed as a light industrial building or an office
[1:06:07] building in the future as such CD 60 was crafted to accommodate both use types. To that respect the
[1:06:14] draft bylaw contained language as shown from section 3B of the draft CD 60 zone which states that all
[1:06:22] principle uses shall be located completely within an enclosed building except for outdoor storage.
[1:06:28] As the project has always anticipated that waste resource management activity would occur outdoors
[1:06:34] to ensure clarity the waste waste resource management you should be added to this section of the
[1:06:39] bylaw to include to ensure clarity as that staff have recommended that the waste resource management
[1:06:44] used be added to section 3B A prior to consideration of third reading.
[1:06:53] This is the concept plan showing the general later the proposed site where the solar remediation facility
[1:06:58] would be located. It identifies the soil treatment area, the soil storage area, and the truck
[1:07:04] do you route throughout this portion of the site.
[1:07:11] Reading the consideration of the bylaw on August 18, the additional details were requested. The following
[1:07:16] several slides address the questions asked by council.
[1:07:22] Questions about the regulatory enforcement and oversight? There are several existing regulatory
[1:07:30] bylaws that can be used to manage the proposed use and address concerns related to potential impacts
[1:07:36] that may be created. The new neighbor bylaw would regulate noise and use the new space on reasonable
[1:07:43] this as some noises expected from the business of type. The traffic regulation bylaw can be used to
[1:07:51] manage traffic and parking violations and would be managed by the bylaw enforcement department.
[1:07:57] Depending on traffic violations some finds may be issued. The business licensing bylaw would
[1:08:05] be used as part of the oversight as the business license would be required. A condition of the
[1:08:09] license could include the requirement of a street use permit in good standing should a business be found
[1:08:15] to operate outside the terms and conditions of the license finds it be issued.
[1:08:20] The soil management bylaw would be used by the engineering department as outlined
[1:08:26] so it will outline the permitted hours of operations. If operating outside of those hours or creating
[1:08:32] noise complaints would be handled through the bylaw department, finds may be issued in an enforcement
[1:08:38] can be escalated to deem the property in nuisance should there be ongoing non-compliance.
[1:08:43] It should be noted that updates to the soil management bylaw are required to ensure all necessary
[1:08:47] regulations of this activity are in place. It's often anticipated having these updates ready for
[1:08:53] consideration shortly and prior to final adoption of the bylaws that are subject to this public hearing.
[1:09:01] So, Pablo before you go back before you go to the next slide, did you? Is it just me or did you
[1:09:06] miss the fourth item on that last slide the development subdivision control bylaw?
[1:09:11] You spoke about business licensing and soil management, did you have comments on the fourth one or
[1:09:16] are more generally nature development and oversight so when the site gets built at creating and
[1:09:22] on-site development will be controlled by the development and subdivision control bylaw. Thank you.
[1:09:33] Transportation impact assessment to the satisfaction of the city and the Ministry of Transportation
[1:09:38] and Transit is required as a condition of rezoning and development. The figure shows that the two TIA
[1:09:44] study intersections that have low heat highway and all over street and rye avenue and all over street.
[1:09:51] The applicant has estimated 100 truck trips per day for 10 hours per day between 7 am and 5 pm. This means
[1:09:59] an average of 10 trucks per hour. The TIA is not finalized but preliminary analysis shows that the study
[1:10:06] intersections are expected to operate within acceptable thresholds. As per the engineering
[1:10:12] comments, all requirements and recommendations for improvements that are derived from the TIA
[1:10:19] are to be completed at the developer's sole expense. Transportation management plan is a site specific
[1:10:29] plan that identifies how road users will travel to from and through the site. A TMP is required by the
[1:10:36] applicant as a condition of adoption of the OCPM zoning amendments. The TMP would be part of the
[1:10:42] business license and is expected to include considerations of how traffic from the site will be managed
[1:10:49] to reduce the impacts on surrounding road networks. How this plan will be communicated to the operators
[1:10:55] and all other relevant parties, how trucks stopping will be prohibited along all over street in front of the
[1:11:02] RCMP access. Measure to reduce congestion and queuing. For example, the applicant is indicated
[1:11:09] the gate would be placed within their site providing additional onsite storage space should any trucks
[1:11:15] be waiting to enter the site while the gate is closed. In addition, all vehicles must use the
[1:11:21] way scales when exiting the site which would help to dissipate traffic when leaving. At the February 7th
[1:11:28] meeting council asked for more information on how the TMP would be enforced. One of the conditions
[1:11:34] of the business license would be to enforce the regulation of the TMP through the business license.
[1:11:46] At the February 2nd meeting, council requested more information about how traffic would use all of
[1:11:51] street and information on impact on street parking. The existing on street parking on all of
[1:11:57] street is signed for RCMP use only. As part of the development proposal, all of our street is
[1:12:04] proposed to be extended by approximately 40 meters south from its current endpoint by adding to
[1:12:08] half-culticec as shown. This figure shows the proposed half-culticec at the end of all of our street
[1:12:15] and the proposed access to the summit site extending from the cul-de-sac. As shown, no change
[1:12:21] is to all of our street are anticipated north of the cul-de-sac. This image also shows the location
[1:12:28] of the potential area for lease parking for the RCMP in the red box directly adjacent to the current
[1:12:35] RCMP site. This is a conceptual landscaping plan which has been provided by a registered landscape
[1:12:45] architect. It provides a visual screening of the proposed sole remediation facility and associated
[1:12:52] equipment equipment. The screen is intended to mitigate visual impacts from the adjacent low-heat highway
[1:12:58] and surrounding properties.
[1:13:05] Proposed soil washing facility can legally operate within the scope of activities outlined in the letter
[1:13:11] from Keystone Environmental Data July 23rd, 2025 without the need for a provincial discharge authorization
[1:13:18] permit. The applicant is indicated that water from the wash plant and cell will be trucked off-site
[1:13:23] for disposal at another location. This is consistent with the applicant's project overview.
[1:13:31] Application for a discharge authorization permit was received by the Ministry of Environment on January
[1:13:36] 14th of 26th is expected that an application like this will likely take between close to three years for a
[1:13:44] approval. An amendment to the soil management by law will include activities,
[1:13:49] and facility facilities that include the soil washing facility. The applicant has recently provided
[1:13:58] approval for their wrapper from the province to address setbacks from the adjacent water courses.
[1:14:07] In summary, staff of recommended consideration of third reading of both by-laws,
[1:14:12] a COC P amendment for contribute to the increase in the city's industrial land inventory.
[1:14:17] The proposal aligns with this city emissions strategic plan which aims to increase the total number
[1:14:22] of local jobs in office retail and industrial sectors. The applicant is indicated that the facility
[1:14:29] will employ up to 14 individuals supporting local employment and economic development.
[1:14:34] The sole remediation component of the proposal will be subject to the soil management permit and
[1:14:43] a business license and provincial authorization for the discharge of wastewater to the environment.
[1:14:50] That concludes the presentation. Thank you very much. I'll turn to our corporate officer to summarize the
[1:14:56] response we've received. Absolutely. We received.
[1:15:00] We received 12 submissions by the deadline. Six submissions were received in opposition to the subject application, expressing concerns regarding possible negative impacts from increased truck parking, regarding flow and access to local businesses, potential impacts to emergency vehicle access and response times.
[1:15:21] Environmental impacts related to water usage, waste disposal, truck and equipment, fuel emissions, noise, odor dust and light emissions.
[1:15:28] The visual impact of the site in its contribution to the overall welcoming appearance of the municipality, and assurances that regulatory requirements have been met.
[1:15:37] Force, written submissions were received in support of the subject application, speaking to how it supports emissions economy through job creation, support for local industries, and long-term confidence in the community.
[1:15:50] One written submission was received from the applicant in support providing assurance of local and Ministry of Environment, Regulation Compliance, methods for mitigating noise and light pollution, involvement in the local community, and commitment to investing significant funds into an internal staging area, and a mechanical wheel wash system to ensure clean and open roads.
[1:16:14] Thank you very much, and my understanding is that I think I heard that petition had been given to you later this evening.
[1:16:21] Yes, set around 6 p.m. I received a petition from a resident.
[1:16:26] Okay, thank you.
[1:16:27] All right, so we're going to begin the process of opening the floor. I'll call for speakers three times, but we really do have most of our speakers list.
[1:16:35] So we'll start with Ms. Cooper going down the speakers list of the virtual participants.
[1:16:40] Then I'll turn to the in-person participants as is our practice here.
[1:16:45] We have 20 people on the in-person list, so we will ask folks to be efficient because otherwise we will probably not get done this this evening.
[1:16:55] So, Ms. Cooper, would you please tell us who the first person is, and that person can be promoted to speaking?
[1:17:04] Yeah, four attendees, but no race hands at this time.
[1:17:07] I'm sorry, I should be really clear for the participants who are online.
[1:17:11] If you are wishing to speak, please raise your hand.
[1:17:15] If there's one that goes up now without personal speak, I will come back twice more.
[1:17:19] So if you don't want to go first, you can wait, but I will come back to you after I've exhausted the in-person list.
[1:17:26] So Ms. Cooper, go ahead with anybody who's online with their hand up now.
[1:17:30] We have Justin Bond, who has raised his hand.
[1:17:33] Mr. Bond.
[1:17:43] Mr. Bond, there we go.
[1:17:45] Mr. Bond, you can unmute yourself and we'll be able to hear you.
[1:17:53] Okay, my better now.
[1:17:55] You've at you.
[1:17:56] Okay, thanks for giving me the floor to you guys.
[1:17:59] Sorry, I was in an accident last week and broke both vehicles where I plan to be their in-person.
[1:18:07] I'm wishing to come on tonight and have a conversation about this.
[1:18:13] It's during this hearing about this proposal of the site in the site's usage.
[1:18:18] I'm against the usage of the site and I'll tell you why.
[1:18:22] I'm very pro-business and I'm pro-business in mission and I'm very much.
[1:18:28] I would consider myself an active leader in the community.
[1:18:32] And the reason why I'm against this usage of this site is, is first of all.
[1:18:39] I don't see a lot of other cities where their waste handling is in the core of the city.
[1:18:46] And I'm going to tell you that that site, in my opinion, is in the core of the city and as mission grows, that will definitely be the core.
[1:18:54] As we grow in expand, number one, number two is, is I've been neighbors with some of the earthworks for very many, many years.
[1:19:05] And we have a petition signed by, I don't know, 70% of our employees about how their dead set against the usage on their current site.
[1:19:18] We have rocks, we have mud all over our roads.
[1:19:21] We've made endless by-law complaints.
[1:19:24] I employ 140 people, and we're talking about developing this site to employ 14 people.
[1:19:31] And every person that works for me, Paul, I had to buy, I bought a piece of land off of Saltera two years ago for $5 million to provide a parking lot for my employees to park on.
[1:19:43] That come to work for me.
[1:19:45] And the ones that are still parking on the road, they can't have a clean car for more than an hour.
[1:19:53] We're having mere smashed off of cars.
[1:19:56] We're having people almost get ran over by trucks.
[1:20:00] Like we're in an industrial park where the current site is.
[1:20:04] So I'm talking about where the current operation is.
[1:20:07] The friendly neighbor situation is not being adhered to it all.
[1:20:10] The wheel wash doesn't exist.
[1:20:12] We have trucks that are lined up a kilometer long through the industrial park.
[1:20:18] And I can go on for days and days and days about why this shouldn't be.
[1:20:23] So what I'm trying to say is, okay, we're going to allow another site.
[1:20:26] And we're going to allow the likes of Walmart, fat burger.
[1:20:32] All those businesses there, the locksmith, Rhona.
[1:20:38] The police station like all these people are all going to be affected inadvertently.
[1:20:43] And I don't think they see it coming.
[1:20:45] And I've been around these people for over a decade.
[1:20:48] And I can tell you that we can't keep a clean window on our building.
[1:20:52] We can't keep a clean car or parking lot.
[1:20:55] We can't we build.
[1:20:57] JDS I own JBS equipment.
[1:20:59] If you guys don't know.
[1:21:01] And we ship two machines a day.
[1:21:04] The machine we ship is dirty because of all the dust in the air.
[1:21:10] I like I said, I can go on for days and days and days about this.
[1:21:14] But the facts are is based on in the industrial park that I'm in, which is silver creaky.
[1:21:20] I have five or five properties there.
[1:21:22] I'd have to count them up because I did some lot.
[1:21:28] We're a big investor in this area.
[1:21:30] We employ a bunch of people.
[1:21:32] We are a huge GDP contributor to our city.
[1:21:35] And as much as I love some of the earth works and the fact that they create revenue and create profit.
[1:21:41] Like all businesses should.
[1:21:43] I'm not saying they shouldn't have a business.
[1:21:45] I'm saying it shouldn't be in the core of our city.
[1:21:50] I think that we're spending so much time and effort and talking about our waterfront and all this.
[1:21:55] And the current site is on the waterfront and this one is really close.
[1:21:59] Just separated by a train track.
[1:22:01] And I just personally think that there's a better use for the land.
[1:22:06] And I think that we could get or find a different site that would work just as good.
[1:22:12] For the summer earth works people.
[1:22:15] And the way that we've been working with them for the last decade has been nothing less than horrific.
[1:22:23] So I don't believe anything of what the promises are in the last 30 days.
[1:22:29] They've cleaned the roads.
[1:22:31] They've done all these measures where there's pictures that have been brought to you guys tonight to see
[1:22:35] and all of our submissions, etc.
[1:22:37] But nothing went on for the last 10 years.
[1:22:40] This is all happened in the last 30 days trying to polish an old penny up to make it look like a new penny.
[1:22:46] That's all that's happening here.
[1:22:49] Thank you very much Mr. Bond.
[1:22:51] Is that conclude your remarks?
[1:22:54] Yeah, I will come back on the second round.
[1:22:57] Okay, thank you very much.
[1:22:59] I look like we have a second person online with their hand.
[1:23:02] Raise Ms. Cooper.
[1:23:04] Actually, now we have another as well.
[1:23:07] So go ahead and who's up next?
[1:23:11] Ashley Fraser.
[1:23:13] Sorry, if you'd say that again.
[1:23:15] Ashley Fraser.
[1:23:17] Ms. Fraser.
[1:23:18] If you'd like to speak the floor is yours.
[1:23:20] Well, it looks like we have Mr. Bond still out there.
[1:23:23] So we'll give us a chance to promote you to speak her and give you the floor.
[1:23:28] Just one second.
[1:23:29] I'll tell you when I can see your name here.
[1:23:35] Oh, it looks like we don't have your hand up anymore.
[1:23:38] There we go.
[1:23:39] Ms. Fraser, go ahead.
[1:23:41] Thank you.
[1:23:42] You can unmute yourself and the floor is yours.
[1:23:47] I just wanted to say is someone who works within this city where this is proposed
[1:23:51] rezoning is located.
[1:23:52] I would like to express my support for the application.
[1:23:56] In my view, the rezoning will help create valuable jobs and contribute positively to the local economy.
[1:24:02] It also supports a well-established business that has been an active and reliable part of the commission
[1:24:07] commission community now for almost 20 years.
[1:24:10] Okay.
[1:24:11] Thank you.
[1:24:12] Before you go.
[1:24:14] We need to have, I know Mr. Bond is from mission but I've forgotten to ask the last two speakers
[1:24:20] where they're from.
[1:24:21] Do I need to do that, Ms. Haber?
[1:24:23] Yes, we do.
[1:24:24] We add that.
[1:24:25] So, Ms. Fraser, can you state the community you live in?
[1:24:28] Sure.
[1:24:29] Okay.
[1:24:30] Thank you very much.
[1:24:32] Anything further, Ms. Fraser?
[1:24:35] No.
[1:24:36] Okay.
[1:24:37] Thank you very much.
[1:24:38] And we have a third person with their hand up right now.
[1:24:41] I've got Mohammed Mahabab and will wait for a staff to put that person on the screen.
[1:24:48] And I'll let you know, Mr. Mahabab, when I have you ready to unmute.
[1:24:59] Looks like you're there.
[1:25:00] I hope I have pronounced your name correctly, but to the floor is yours.
[1:25:05] That was perfect.
[1:25:08] Good evening, Mayor and Council.
[1:25:11] I'm Mohammed Mahababab.
[1:25:12] I'm from Surrey and I work in mission.
[1:25:15] I'm speaking in support of this rezoning.
[1:25:18] Mission and the region have a growing need for responsible, contaminated soil management.
[1:25:23] And facilities like this address that need in a control, control, and regulated way.
[1:25:30] What's important in this proposal is that it includes multiple layers of oversight,
[1:25:37] including provincial environmental permits, a city soil management permit, and a transportation management plan.
[1:25:45] That's all environmental and operational risk should be handled through clear conditions and accountability.
[1:25:53] For these reasons, I support the rezoning.
[1:25:57] Thank you very much, Mr. Mahabab.
[1:26:00] And have you hang on if you want to potentially speak a second time, or you're welcome to sign up.
[1:26:07] Ms Cooper, do we have, I think you said there were four folks.
[1:26:11] Did the fourth person raise their hand?
[1:26:13] Okay, so with that then, I'll come back to the online folks afterwards, but we'll start our in-person list now.
[1:26:20] And again, I'll just remind folks to try and stick to the five minutes.
[1:26:24] We begin tonight with Steve Sekora.
[1:26:26] Steve, come on up.
[1:26:28] Okay, thank you.
[1:26:29] You're hard.
[1:26:30] Okay, we'll first make sure I'll meet tonight.
[1:26:32] Again, I'm here.
[1:26:33] Mr. Sekora, would you do us a favor?
[1:26:34] Sorry.
[1:26:35] I've heard that.
[1:26:36] That's perfect.
[1:26:37] So again, I'm Steve Sekora.
[1:26:38] I am a resident of mission here.
[1:26:40] I'm here tonight to speak on behalf of JBS.
[1:26:43] Again, Mr. Bond couldn't be here tonight due to an incident of each.
[1:26:46] Unfortunately, he doesn't obligate to stand on right now.
[1:26:49] So that's not what he does.
[1:26:51] I'm here tonight for the application of Summit Moving towards 24 hour period.
[1:26:57] And adding up to 100 trucks a day.
[1:27:00] Okay, with my background being safety.
[1:27:03] This is absolutely no go for the Industrial Park admission.
[1:27:07] I've submitted a petition from our comfy alone, which has almost 80, 80 signatures on it.
[1:27:15] We do employ 140 people.
[1:27:17] Okay, I didn't have enough time to get 144 signatures.
[1:27:20] But I can tell you, if you reached out to any of these people on the petition,
[1:27:24] and ask them their situation or their encounter, they will give you one.
[1:27:29] We've had several companies.
[1:27:31] We've had several employees vehicles being hit, damaged.
[1:27:35] And the biggest thing is a risk to the safety.
[1:27:40] Okay, and the environment.
[1:27:42] You're telling me that there's stuff in place for the environment.
[1:27:46] I submit as pitchers tonight documents to show that what they're doing is not working.
[1:27:52] So if it's not working now, how is it going to work down the road?
[1:27:56] Okay, I won't take five minutes here, Tom.
[1:27:58] But I will tell you, this is a huge safety issue for the Industrial Park.
[1:28:03] A dump site or a filled site does not belong.
[1:28:07] And like Mr. Bond said in the heart of mission.
[1:28:10] Okay, we employ 140 people.
[1:28:13] We want to grow.
[1:28:15] We're not going to be able to grow if we work in a place where we have to be concerned about our safety.
[1:28:21] Thanks for the time.
[1:28:22] Thank you.
[1:28:23] Don't go away, Mr. Secor.
[1:28:24] Let me ask a question based on something you said,
[1:28:26] because I don't really know whether it was addressed to the presentation.
[1:28:29] There was mention of 24-hour operation,
[1:28:32] but I'm not sure where that particular aspect of things are.
[1:28:36] There was something in your presentation, Mr. Public,
[1:28:38] that said there was the ability within the business licensing to have conditions around ours.
[1:28:43] Is that ability into the application that there would automatically be 24-hour hours of operation?
[1:28:50] There's that a separate conversation.
[1:28:53] It's not directly related to the zone or the OCP amendment,
[1:28:58] but our understanding is that the onsite operation,
[1:29:01] the processing of the soil would occur around the clock on some occasions,
[1:29:05] but the majority of time delivery of material would occur in the,
[1:29:09] I think it's six, seven a.m. to five p.m. to five p.m.
[1:29:13] Until five during your presentation.
[1:29:16] The trucks will largely come between eight and five,
[1:29:19] but machines may be working on the site other hours.
[1:29:24] Is that what I'm hearing?
[1:29:25] Yeah, that's our understanding for the majority of the time,
[1:29:27] and there would be modifications where they were accepting material after hours,
[1:29:31] and the permitting could address that.
[1:29:33] Okay, so there are a couple of examples in the municipality
[1:29:36] where people have a few extra times a year.
[1:29:39] I think the raceways, one of them, and others,
[1:29:41] where they can ask for a few times a year for an extension,
[1:29:45] is that how that would work?
[1:29:46] Yeah, that's what we're expecting.
[1:29:48] Okay, thank you.
[1:29:49] I just wanted to make sure you had that in front of me.
[1:29:51] One more thing, Mayor Hardt.
[1:29:52] I just want to ask if you guys do approve this application
[1:29:55] if you would just don't mind parking your cars down there.
[1:29:58] I'm going to go have any for five days a week.
[1:30:00] And just see what happens. Thanks.
[1:30:03] Okay, thank you. Our next speaker is Bob Cowen.
[1:30:07] Good evening. Hello. We're having us tonight. I just wanted to stand up here and oppose this idea as well.
[1:30:15] We work on the corner of Yale Avenue 31413. You come across the bridge over Silver Creek and we're the first building on your left hand side.
[1:30:24] The truck traffic that comes through there is amazingly dangerous.
[1:30:28] We have vehicles parked on both sides of the road. Some of our employees have also been hit. They're vehicles, not themselves. Thank you, sorry.
[1:30:36] And the dust and the just a control of it all is just out of control. It's very dangerous.
[1:30:44] And like Steve said, the safety aspect of it is horrendous.
[1:30:48] You know, just doing some quick math. If this motion moves forward, even from 8 to 5, if there's 100 trucks today, that's a truck every six minutes.
[1:30:57] So I don't know if you guys have done that math. Or if you do it every 24 hours, 100 trucks is 14 minutes.
[1:31:04] So that truck traffic alone in a populated area like we have here. We've got 50 plus employees, JBS. There's lazy construction.
[1:31:14] There's a smattering of other businesses around that are would be heavily disrupted by this behavior.
[1:31:20] So I just wanted to say that.
[1:31:22] Thank you very much. For the record, Ms. Hubbard, some folks are have businesses in mission, but they have residency elsewhere.
[1:31:30] And I think Mr. Cowan, your example of that, have a business here and you live in Maple Ridge.
[1:31:36] Is that okay? So do I need to say where people are from or ask them to?
[1:31:42] Well, we have your speakers list. So we will.
[1:31:45] Okay, great. Thank you. Next is Mr. Haas.
[1:31:52] Yourself.
[1:31:57] Here you. I'm Randy Haas. I live in mission. The long time resident.
[1:32:06] I just want to cover a couple of things. First off, traffic volume.
[1:32:11] And it's very confusing.
[1:32:15] I have a letter from the proponents lawyer because I claimed that there was going to be 100 trucks every 10 hours, which is what I think your overview says.
[1:32:31] They say 34 trucks in the AM 34 trucks in the PM.
[1:32:36] So morning, afternoon, 68 trucks.
[1:32:40] But there's one paragraph in here, or in a sentence, that says there's a TIA that says it's going to be 20 trucks in 20 trucks out per hour, a minute and a half per truck.
[1:32:55] That's in your own report.
[1:32:57] So it's very confusing. Is it 100 trucks? Is it 20 in 10 hours? Is it 40 trucks an hour going in and out?
[1:33:07] Or is it 34 truck? I think you got a lot of spleen in to do here.
[1:33:12] Because your report is very confusing. Second thing.
[1:33:17] There is just a positive one second. Mr. Haas, I'll tell you.
[1:33:21] It does look like the proponents are coming up and they can maybe answer some of that later on.
[1:33:26] And then if you wish to have a prayer to follow up, that's fine.
[1:33:30] And what it does say here, though, is that the 100 trucks in a 10 hour space was what the proponent said when they made their application.
[1:33:41] So I don't know where the 34 trucks comes from.
[1:33:45] There's hundreds of thousands of liters of water in that machine.
[1:33:50] And I know they say they're going to recirculate 100% of that water.
[1:33:55] Yet in their own report, it says that any wastewater that it'll be collected if it's contaminated water.
[1:34:03] It'll be trucked away from the site, which means it's not going to be 100% recycled again.
[1:34:08] It's very confusing when I read that.
[1:34:11] But what I do know is when you've got hundreds of thousands of liters of water in a machine, things go wrong from time to time.
[1:34:20] Not planned to, but a pipe burst, something happens.
[1:34:24] If that water escapes, it's going to trickle down into the river and into silver creek.
[1:34:30] This is a very, very sensitive environmental area.
[1:34:34] And I just think, I listen to what Justin Bond said, I couldn't agree more.
[1:34:40] This is it's a needed facility, but not where it's being proposed.
[1:34:45] This is the heart of our city.
[1:34:48] And I don't care what they say they can landscape out along the low heat highway.
[1:34:53] You get big piles of earth along the highway.
[1:34:57] I don't care what you can put 50 foot tall trees there.
[1:35:00] It just doesn't make sense.
[1:35:02] I don't think it can be landscape don't.
[1:35:04] I don't think that's an attractive site for entrance to our city.
[1:35:08] I don't think it sends the right message for a city.
[1:35:11] This is our core.
[1:35:13] And we are desperately short of industrial property.
[1:35:16] And there are many, many companies right now searching for spots to build in industrial sites, light in industrial.
[1:35:24] And I know that this property belongs to the proponent.
[1:35:29] So unless he were told, no, well, if this is turned down, I imagine he would look to repurpose that site,
[1:35:37] perhaps into something industrial, providing real jobs.
[1:35:40] 14 jobs.
[1:35:41] I'm sorry.
[1:35:42] 14 jobs.
[1:35:44] Many of them at night, I think your report says that it's I think three at night and the balance in the day.
[1:35:52] It does say they are planning to go to a 24 hour operation.
[1:35:56] They're going to start at 300,000 tons a year and then move to 600,000 tons a year when it's a 24 hour operation.
[1:36:04] And last one I want to touch on is noise.
[1:36:07] There is an apartment, a very large apartment that was just completed across the street.
[1:36:13] And above that new shopping center.
[1:36:16] And just look at the topography as sound will go right up that hill.
[1:36:20] When you have dump trucks dumping dirt if it's gravel, it slides off.
[1:36:24] Often dirt doesn't slide off that easily.
[1:36:27] And so the truck has to bang the box a little bit to get the dirt moving.
[1:36:32] And I know this because years ago I actually worked in government and then worked on trucking.
[1:36:38] And we talked a lot about noise mitigation and it's very tough to stop that.
[1:36:44] In the middle of the night, trucks banging will drive the people in that apartment nuts.
[1:36:49] So I'm sorry.
[1:36:50] I don't think you can mitigate the noise properly.
[1:36:54] And the last thing I'm going to say is the report talks about the 700 meter ring road,
[1:37:00] which will allow the trucks to queue there.
[1:37:03] But the report that your report says it will mostly mitigate or it's likely mitigate.
[1:37:13] So I heard Justin Bond or somebody just said there could be trucks lined up as much as a kilometer long.
[1:37:21] Well I expect if the TIA report was correct.
[1:37:26] A truck every minute and a half going every three minutes in every and then out.
[1:37:31] That would be a minute and a half that would be a lot more trucks than could be lined up on that 700 meter road,
[1:37:40] where they're also loading and unloading.
[1:37:43] So I'm sorry, that many trucks in that location doesn't seem to make sense.
[1:37:49] And I'm pretty sure that if this goes ahead, you will have a lot of difficulty monitoring this.
[1:37:55] I don't know who's going to be on top of it watching it.
[1:37:58] But I can tell you this is not the right location for this particular and there are other locations.
[1:38:07] Like I would have thought somewhere near the near our landfill site would have made some good sense.
[1:38:15] Up in that area where there's already a lot of gravel pits that are pretty much exhausted.
[1:38:20] That would be a lot safer place to be going.
[1:38:23] So that, thanks. Thank you. Gordon Moses next.
[1:38:35] CMLC, Kwalskwalskwalskwalskwalskwalsk.
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[1:38:39] Gordon Moses, my resident of mission for 46 years.
[1:38:44] I'm in favor of this development.
[1:38:46] My role in this particular project is not to do with the traffic or anything like this.
[1:38:51] My role has been essentially to do the heritage impact assessments of the property itself.
[1:38:59] And to ensure that there's proper mitigation in terms of the habitat offsets associated with this property.
[1:39:06] In conjunction with communications with local first nations, which involves mainly about 17 different first nations that have an interest in this particular area.
[1:39:19] So Silverdale Creek, the outlet of the creek for about 300 meters up from the mouth of the creek.
[1:39:28] That will be essentially rehabilitated or offset.
[1:39:35] So the materials, the invasive species there will be taken out by hand.
[1:39:40] There is an archaeological site that is there.
[1:39:43] I'm an archaeologist of 50 years. I'll be in charge of that component of it.
[1:39:47] Making sure that there is no intrusion into that archaeological site.
[1:39:52] I was doing the archaeological assessment of the property itself.
[1:39:56] There was no impact to it.
[1:39:58] And we put together a chance find procedure to ensure that the proper mitigation measures will be taken.
[1:40:05] If there is any type of impact is taking place with this.
[1:40:10] So I leave it there. I look at some of the earthworks as a very ethical company.
[1:40:19] I work with many different companies over the past 55 years.
[1:40:23] And some of it is the most ethical company I have worked with.
[1:40:27] And I would just like to mention one thing.
[1:40:29] All of these trucks are talking about will not be moving along Gil Avenue.
[1:40:35] Okay, they're not that's not part of the plan.
[1:40:39] Thank you very much.
[1:40:40] So to be clear, I thought that answers a question that I've been asked and I think it's important.
[1:40:46] The application would have would impact the removal of traffic on Gil are substantially reduced it.
[1:40:54] I know that the aim is to have trucks going down Oliver, which is a very short road.
[1:41:00] And so would it remove vehicles from rent and from Gil that we currently have going through those ways?
[1:41:07] I'm not the transportation representative.
[1:41:09] One of the projects you can ask out of the the owners.
[1:41:12] Thank you.
[1:41:13] The next speaker will be able to help us with that.
[1:41:15] So Phil Van Larr is our next speaker.
[1:41:23] Hi, yeah. I'm Phil Valar and the president of some of the earthworks and I work in Mission.
[1:41:27] But I live in July.
[1:41:29] So, yeah.
[1:41:30] I appreciated the comments from everyone.
[1:41:32] I just want to get a little bit of background on some of it.
[1:41:35] It's over 60 employees and we've been in the environmental services sector for over 20 years.
[1:41:40] We've won multiple awards by the Ministry of Environment for our environmental rehabilitation work that we've done.
[1:41:46] And those awards are hard to get.
[1:41:48] So we've been recognized for excellence in that.
[1:41:51] We work closely with the Ministry of Environment.
[1:41:53] We have four other facilities that we receive contaminated soul at.
[1:41:57] And we've never had any issues with the Ministry of Environment.
[1:42:00] We've we are audited every year by them and we talked to them very closely.
[1:42:03] So yeah.
[1:42:06] So I just want to talk about the economy.
[1:42:07] Some of it's head office is in Mission.
[1:42:09] We have over 20 staff that work in that office and they go eat lunch.
[1:42:13] They go shopping and they go to restaurants almost every day.
[1:42:18] This new facility is going to have 14 new field workers.
[1:42:21] But there's going to be a lot more economic advantages.
[1:42:24] The mission.
[1:42:25] So we're receiving contaminated soul from sites in Mission.
[1:42:27] They get an advantage because typically you have to truck your soul.
[1:42:30] Extreme distances which cost lots of money.
[1:42:33] Having facility in mission lowers the construction cost of other development projects in mission.
[1:42:37] And there's a lot of sites close to the river that mission plans to develop that.
[1:42:42] Half contaminated soul in them.
[1:42:44] Having this there would greatly reduce the cost of the cleanup on those sites.
[1:42:49] Additionally, it meets the mission strategic focus number three, which is increasing.
[1:42:55] Increasing industrial land.
[1:42:56] So the rezoning here, we're rezoning for institutional to heavy industrial with light industrial applications as well.
[1:43:04] The actual contaminated soul facility approval isn't done by city mission.
[1:43:09] That's done by the Ministry of Environment.
[1:43:11] So just want to point that out.
[1:43:13] On the traffic studies we have hired an expert traffic consultants.
[1:43:18] And they have, I think, well, decades of traffic experience.
[1:43:23] They reviewed the the 100 trucks today, which is our peak expected traffic.
[1:43:28] 100 trucks per day is our peak expected traffic.
[1:43:31] On average, we'd probably expect more like 30 to 40 trucks today.
[1:43:35] There are conclusions where that it would not significantly impact the traffic flow.
[1:43:40] So this site that from low we highway to our site, it's it's 10 times shorter distance than it is.
[1:43:47] Where it is right now, to our existing site, which is going on.
[1:43:50] Currently, you'll pass over 40 businesses.
[1:43:53] In here, you go past two two driveways.
[1:43:56] So it's only 150 meters long from the highway.
[1:43:58] This site is the perfect site for this location because it's so close to the highway.
[1:44:02] The trucks are going to come.
[1:44:03] They're going to meet legal 150 meters straight road.
[1:44:06] And then enter our site.
[1:44:08] There's no other site that has been close to this kind of accessibility.
[1:44:13] We've met in spoke with the RCMP and address their concerns.
[1:44:17] We have that in writing that they've acknowledged that we've dealt closely with them.
[1:44:22] So location, yeah.
[1:44:26] So close to the highway, it's a prior location.
[1:44:28] It's not close to the river.
[1:44:29] I know people keep saying that our current site is 10 times closer to the river than this site is.
[1:44:34] So this site is going to reduce traffic on Gill Avenue, which we have seen as a concern of businesses in that area.
[1:44:41] We started getting complaints from our current sites in the last few months.
[1:44:45] And we sent a letter out to all the businesses in the area to over 45 businesses received a letter,
[1:44:50] where we highlighted our plan, which is to do something similar to what we're doing here.
[1:44:54] Install a pressurized nozzle wheel wash that ensures that the...
[1:45:00] Might as removed. And to install the internal Q area, sooner to what this site has. So we're kind of learning from this site and
[1:45:07] implying it to the adjacent site based on conversations with adjacent business owners. Of the 45 business owners,
[1:45:14] most of them were just kind of surprised that we were even sending this letter. Most of them did not have any concerns at all.
[1:45:19] There were a few that did have concerns, of course, and you've heard some of tonight. So actually this site is going to address some of their concerns by reducing
[1:45:26] traffic on Gill Avenue, which we recognize is not ideal.
[1:45:31] On the noise and light pollution, we also hired a third-party environmental consultancy review the noise and light.
[1:45:41] We've done a light study and a noise study. The light study essentially said the lights on low,
[1:45:46] we're going to be just as bright as the lights in our facility. And the noise study essentially said that the noise from our site,
[1:45:53] even at night, will be similar or less than the traffic on low-heat.
[1:45:58] Again, the site is great because there's a CP rail track right there, and there's a low-highway. So there's two loud busy things going on.
[1:46:04] There's also a heavy industrial site, rate adjacent to the tracks.
[1:46:07] We only site, the site can't really be used for anything else. I mean, it's right beside a heavy industrial site.
[1:46:13] It's right beside the highway. We've perfect access. We've identified it as a spot that we use an experience
[1:46:20] technology, it's a good site for soil wash facility.
[1:46:25] The next thing I want to say is that soil wash facilities, they're monitored and approved by the Ministry of Environment for contaminated
[1:46:32] cells. But this is cutting edge technology. So it's not like we're taking stockpiles, dumping it in
[1:46:37] filling sites like some people have mentioned. We're not going to be filling anything. The soil gets dumped onto a concrete pad.
[1:46:42] Underneath the concrete pad is an impermeable liner. So contaminants can't escape, even if they did leak
[1:46:48] which we don't think would happen. The soil gets washed and it turns into a perfectly clean soil.
[1:46:54] And then that soil is resold and reused as recycled soil. So it's very beneficial to our economy.
[1:46:59] It creates a circular solution for soil disposal versus, right now, it's a linear solution, which is both soil.
[1:47:05] That's illegally dumped into farmers' fields, lots of them in vision, and then people have to pay to clean it up.
[1:47:14] So yeah, that's, you know, Mr. Anything else I think that's it.
[1:47:18] I just wanted to note that the vote tonight is for third reading on the rezoning to heavy industrial land and is not a vote on whether
[1:47:25] contaminated soil facility is approved here. That's done by the Ministry of Environment. So I want to thank you for that.
[1:47:31] And I will likely be coming back.
[1:47:32] Yeah, before you sit down, I just want to ask you to clarify something.
[1:47:36] So you have an existing facility down there this evening right now.
[1:47:40] And what you're asking to do in this application is to create a portion that allows the access to all of our street.
[1:47:47] But not to have a facility down there. You already have a facility.
[1:47:51] You already have a exact facility.
[1:47:53] The facility, this one's going to be much more advanced. So it'll be one of the most advanced in North America.
[1:47:57] Thank you. I'm sure there'll be others along the way.
[1:48:00] You can ask now, or it sounds like Mr. Bernard will come back later on. Why don't we wait until after we've heard from others and ask questions at the end.
[1:48:07] Is that okay?
[1:48:11] He'll be coming back.
[1:48:12] Well, he'll be here so we can ask him. Yes, we can ask him later.
[1:48:17] Okay.
[1:48:18] Thank you. We'll move on then. Thank you, Mr. Bernard.
[1:48:21] And we'll ask you if you do wish to speak a second time to put your name on the list or if you just want to make sure that you speak last to answer any questions.
[1:48:31] Then you can advise Ms. Bill upon in the hallway.
[1:48:35] Yeah. Well, if you want to just make sure that you come back after you've heard from others, it's up to you if you wish to do that.
[1:48:42] But when we are the other, I'll check with you.
[1:48:45] Next I have, I'm sorry I can't tell if I think it's Gary for me, but I'm sorry if I've written it wrong.
[1:48:52] Is that correct?
[1:48:54] Is it Gary or Guy?
[1:48:57] Here we go, Guy.
[1:48:59] Yeah, if just a side thing when I was a kid, my dad was the right handman for Peter Law.
[1:49:06] He'd so I grew up on the Alberta legislative lawn, but I never saw the inside.
[1:49:11] So this is the first time seeing inside and what you guys do here.
[1:49:13] And I think it's incredible.
[1:49:14] I just want to say thanks and understand how the democratic process works.
[1:49:19] I don't live in mission.
[1:49:21] I work and play in mission.
[1:49:23] And I work here and I come here and spend my money.
[1:49:28] And I like it here.
[1:49:30] But I've been down that kill road probably three or four hundred times.
[1:49:35] You know, and I've never been hit by a rock.
[1:49:38] And I've never been hit by a truck.
[1:49:40] And I've never seen the truck traffic crazy there either.
[1:49:44] So, I guess the way what they're going to be building is it's going to take that truck traffic away.
[1:49:52] So I guess that's important because that seems to be what people are complaining about.
[1:49:57] The other thing is somebody said something like 14 jobs and it's not a big deal.
[1:50:02] But I got four kids and you know, if I lost my job, it'd be a big deal.
[1:50:06] So I think everybody's employment support doesn't matter how many people work for your company or don't.
[1:50:14] You know, you take my job away.
[1:50:16] It's going to be tough on my family.
[1:50:18] So I'm in support of this because, you know, what I understand is that there's a lot.
[1:50:25] You know, when I was sitting here listening to everybody else talk, whether it was the doctors, you know,
[1:50:31] They're experts help and people with stuff making things better.
[1:50:35] And then there was the school people.
[1:50:37] And they're experts help in these kids learn stuff.
[1:50:40] And, you know, they're learning about new technologies and how to apply them.
[1:50:43] And you guys are all in support of that kind of stuff.
[1:50:45] So, you know, that's kind of what these guys are doing too.
[1:50:48] They're experts.
[1:50:49] I work with engineers and scientists and I work with, you know, I don't have those degrees,
[1:50:54] but, you know, we're pulling people in that are good and they're smart.
[1:50:58] And they know what they're doing and, you know, they have permits from, you know,
[1:51:02] the Ministry of Environment and Environmental Management Association of British Columbia.
[1:51:08] And they solve big problems every day and it's not easy work.
[1:51:12] That's what I know.
[1:51:13] But I know it's good work.
[1:51:15] And, you know, I'm proud to work for that company.
[1:51:20] So, I just wanted to say that, yeah.
[1:51:24] I think that what they're doing is right for the economy and mission.
[1:51:30] I think it's going to bring people in that are, you know, like I said, professionals that are going to add to what's going on here.
[1:51:41] And, uh, thanks for your time.
[1:51:43] Thank you.
[1:51:44] I'm sorry for getting your first name wrong.
[1:51:46] The next person is also at risk of having their first name wrong.
[1:51:49] I believe it says Nishant Taylor, if I'm not mistaken, but if I am, I'm sure I'll be corrected.
[1:51:59] I'm Nishant Taylor.
[1:52:01] I have been working in City of Mission for like 80 years now.
[1:52:06] I am Environmental Scientist.
[1:52:09] And I have been like, you know, seeing like, you know, what some of the other works does.
[1:52:13] Like, you know, I do understand, like, you know, the decision of like, you know, whether, you know,
[1:52:18] side gets used as a soil washing or not that will be decided by the province.
[1:52:22] But I have done my research in like, you know, soil washing.
[1:52:26] And this is like, you know, the technology, like, you know, which people have been studying for long.
[1:52:32] And I would say, like, you know, people have been like, you know, I guess,
[1:52:35] asking questions, you know, whether like, you know, if it's a right place to have this site used as soil washing or not.
[1:52:44] In my opinion, I guess, you know, this is the perfect site to show, you know, what city of mission is committed to.
[1:52:50] Like, you know, that we are like, you know, giving approval to the businesses, like, you know, who are trying to like, you know, be an environment friendly business.
[1:52:59] This soil washing equipment will do like, you know, reduce recycle.
[1:53:05] And, you know, we are going to be like, you know, having like, you know, aggregates produce of a soil.
[1:53:11] Being an environmental scientist, I follow like, all the regulations, what's happening outside.
[1:53:16] I have been reading in, I guess, news, like, you know, agricultural land commission has been finding that.
[1:53:24] Trucking companies are just, you know, owning a piece of land or agricultural land.
[1:53:28] And they are taking all the contaminators soil and they are contaminating the land.
[1:53:33] Everything goes to the water and like, you know, it affects, like, you know, like, you know, community.
[1:53:39] So having a soil washing facility, like, you know, which is lying, everything like, you know, getting like, you know,
[1:53:46] like in a managed, like, you know, responsibly, especially those guys are, I guess,
[1:53:50] monitor by, like, get ministry and everything.
[1:53:54] So I would say, like, you know, I'm in favor of like, this development, especially like, you know,
[1:53:59] saying, like, cutting-edge technology coming to like, you know, city of mission and supporting the, like, you know,
[1:54:06] jobs, which comes with it.
[1:54:08] Thank you very much.
[1:54:10] Next is, I thought I had the messiest rating at city hall, but it might be that this might be the hardest list.
[1:54:15] I've never seen to read.
[1:54:17] So I believe it says Jason Christensen is next is that if I've got the name correct.
[1:54:23] Excellent.
[1:54:25] Mr. Christensen, you wouldn't happen to be a doctor would you with this, this rating?
[1:54:30] Because we, as you heard earlier, we're looking to recruit.
[1:54:33] Go ahead, sir.
[1:54:35] I'm a resident of Langley.
[1:54:37] I'm here to speak, so you can favor of this application.
[1:54:42] So for remediation programs in the Lower Mainline, most of that soil is directed to landfill,
[1:54:48] currently.
[1:54:50] And which removes valuable gravels and sands for, for use.
[1:54:55] So soil washing has been successfully used in their lands for over 30 years.
[1:55:00] Where soil disposal is not allowed there.
[1:55:03] So they return the clean soils and gravels for use, and it's available product,
[1:55:08] which think be reused offset the cost.
[1:55:11] The water from the soil washing is treated and reused.
[1:55:16] The water on the site would be collected, sort of rainwater would be collected,
[1:55:20] any contact water would be collected on site, and then it used in the process.
[1:55:24] There's a groundwater required.
[1:55:26] And there's some water lost as the soil is removed from the treated water.
[1:55:31] It's already three to soils removed from the facility, so it's a negative,
[1:55:35] as it just needs it out of just no water.
[1:55:38] But as certain types of soil is treated, such as their salt in the water, it's difficult to remove.
[1:55:44] And so there's going to be periods of time when there is going to be some water required for offsite disposal.
[1:55:50] The other thing is that landfills are the main source of soil disposal,
[1:55:56] but there are very few new landfills coming online.
[1:55:59] And I fear as those start coming offline, we won't have places to send the soil.
[1:56:07] And then that leads to other issues, such as the soil ending up on agricultural land, which is a major issue.
[1:56:13] So that's all I have.
[1:56:15] Thank you very much.
[1:56:16] Just before we have our next speaker, if you're out in the lobby, a couple of things.
[1:56:22] There are a few more chairs available.
[1:56:24] But second, if you're out there, because we have people in the lobby this evening,
[1:56:29] we can't close the door.
[1:56:31] And so if you're speaking out there, you're audible in here.
[1:56:35] So we'll ask folks to make sure that they're being aware of that.
[1:56:39] Thank you, Mr. Christensen, you can go back to your seat.
[1:56:42] So if you're in the hallway, please go outside to speak so that we don't have a background echo.
[1:56:49] Thank you.
[1:56:50] Our next speaker is Miles Hargrove.
[1:56:59] Good evening.
[1:57:00] Good evening, Mayor and Council.
[1:57:02] My staff here has been pretty exemplary and speaking highly about our company.
[1:57:06] And I want to thank you guys for that.
[1:57:09] I think primarily, I don't want to reiterate the same stuff that they're keep on saying.
[1:57:14] Obviously, there's concerns with the community.
[1:57:16] It regards to traffic, mud, dust, lighting, all those things.
[1:57:20] I think they are addressed.
[1:57:22] I think moving forward with this project is going to be producing the traffic.
[1:57:27] And most of the concerns that are actually happening in the Gil Silverdale Industrial Park.
[1:57:33] Thank you.
[1:57:34] So I'm sure we'll end up having some questions for you, Mr. Van Larrb.
[1:57:37] And I'm assuming you're going to stick around until the end of the public hearing.
[1:57:40] So, okay.
[1:57:41] Thank you.
[1:57:42] Excellent.
[1:57:43] Thank you very much.
[1:57:44] Our next speaker is Wally Berg.
[1:57:50] Evening, Mayor and Council.
[1:57:52] Thank you for allowing us all to speak today.
[1:57:56] I'm Walter Berg.
[1:57:57] I'm a mission resident, homeowner, and I choose to live in Mission.
[1:58:02] I have two children who attend school in Mission.
[1:58:05] One at Heritage Park.
[1:58:07] And one at Mission Secondary School.
[1:58:11] I've been living in Mission since 2011.
[1:58:14] I work for somebody who works in Benefit from a daily commute that is 10 minutes or less
[1:58:19] from my residents.
[1:58:21] What more could you ask for?
[1:58:23] I worked on projects in North Vancouver, Vancouver, working in Mission Eliminates.
[1:58:29] A minimum of three hour daily commute.
[1:58:33] As a mission resident, I believe this project is good business for mission, offering steady employment
[1:58:39] and sustainability for the environment.
[1:58:41] I support this project.
[1:58:43] It's not just my livelihood, but also that of my children as well too.
[1:58:49] So, thank you.
[1:58:50] Thank you very much.
[1:58:52] Our next speaker is Trevor Mackie.
[1:58:58] I can tell that Mr. Mackie just loves public speaking.
[1:59:03] Hi, I'm Trevor Mackie.
[1:59:05] I live here in Mission.
[1:59:07] I've worked for somebody who works for 10 years now.
[1:59:10] Three years ago, I decided to move instead of traveling from Langley.
[1:59:15] I decided to move here.
[1:59:16] So, I'm lucky enough to own here.
[1:59:19] I'm in favor of this.
[1:59:21] I think it's the perfect spot, especially with all this industrial land just south of us.
[1:59:26] And let's put it.
[1:59:28] Thank you very much.
[1:59:29] Thank you.
[1:59:30] Next, we have Lucas Hargrove.
[1:59:36] Good evening, Mayor and Council.
[1:59:38] I'm a mission resident.
[1:59:39] And I've lived here for most of my life.
[1:59:42] I've worked for some of the earthworks.
[1:59:44] And I want to reiterate what Gordon said.
[1:59:47] That summit is an honorable and an ethical company.
[1:59:51] They talk about there's only 14 jobs that are being created by it's not necessarily true.
[1:59:57] We're a growing company.
[1:59:59] We've...
[2:00:00] Start with one dump truck driver, and now we're up to a dozen, and that's going to continue growing, and that's a lot of those drivers are mission residents.
[2:00:10] These are also high paying jobs, like laser living wages that you get from these jobs, and I think that it's a great spot.
[2:00:23] Close to the road, close to the highway, you have tons of other industrial work going on around there, and yeah, I'm in support of this. Thank you very much.
[2:00:35] Jude Marcellus is next.
[2:00:38] Very the folks in the back row there, your chances of getting elbow tonight are have escalated quite high.
[2:00:52] I'm Jude Marcellus on third generation permission, my grandparents being a doctor, Marcellus and Catherine Marcellus from mission as well.
[2:01:02] I'm here. I work for Summit, and I'm grateful for the employment from them.
[2:01:07] Thank you very much, and thank you to your family for the room of Dendra, and that is our city flower. Excellent. Kyle Hargrove.
[2:01:14] I'm Kyle. I'm a resident of mission. I just wanted to basically explain that I think Summit Earthworks is very open to working with the community and adapting to some of the problems that some of us say local communities have problems with.
[2:01:36] And I'm in favor of the current rezoning of the site. Thank you very much. Next we have Brandon Dylan.
[2:01:51] You need Marin Council. My name is Brandon Dylan. I've been a local resident for over a decade here. I've been a grateful employee for Summit Earthworks for over five years.
[2:02:01] And I'm here today to speak in support of the proposal of the soil washing facility.
[2:02:09] This project is in just about building the facility. It's about building an opportunity in mission right now.
[2:02:15] There are a large number of truck drivers in our community who are struggling to find a consistent local work.
[2:02:20] Many of them are forced to commute long distances all the way to Vancouver, just a secured single day of work.
[2:02:26] That means more time away from their families, more fuel costs, more wear and tear on equipment.
[2:02:31] And more stress on working on working households, a soil washing facility here in mission changes that.
[2:02:38] Yes, it creates jobs within the facility itself, operators, technicians and mission staff, but often what's overlooked is the ripple effect.
[2:02:47] This type of operation generates steady ongoing demand for trucking. This means more local, local hauling contracts, more stable income for drivers and more small trucking companies, small trucking companies for being able to survive and grow.
[2:03:01] These are hardworking people. Many of them are small business owners who simply want to chance to work close to home support their families and contribute to their local economy.
[2:03:11] Keeping this work in mission means more local spending in our shops.
[2:03:15] More economic activity circulating within our city, less unnecessary commuting to the lower mainlands and stronger stability and trades for trucking in their families.
[2:03:25] This facility represents an economic development that supports a real blue collar families in our community.
[2:03:32] I would like to ask the council to consider not just the facility itself, but the broader impact you'll have on the local employment on many drivers and who are simply looking for consistent work closer to home.
[2:03:44] Thank you for your time and consideration.
[2:03:46] Thank you.
[2:03:47] Next I have Madison Chapman.
[2:03:51] I live in my village now, but I grew up here. I went to school to see you.
[2:04:00] I know Mark from Mission Avers and I know Angel from her saying when to school to me.
[2:04:04] So I think I know a lot of people in this room.
[2:04:07] I wish there are more young people here.
[2:04:09] I think I'm the youngest one of this room.
[2:04:11] This is a little scary.
[2:04:12] I won't talk about the trucking at the complaints or anything else.
[2:04:16] I'll just talk about what I think this will benefit and I think it's the young people.
[2:04:21] The future is a little scary right now and it's not always fun positive things, but I think the chance to have something in Mission that's like leading and it's new and exciting.
[2:04:31] We great for people like me, but also people like you.
[2:04:34] It can be great for your children and I know your kids are like my age.
[2:04:37] So I think the benefits that this could bring to Mission not only the jobs, not only the opportunities, but just the advancement and the exciting part of
[2:04:45] bringing people to Mission would be really beneficial.
[2:04:48] That's all.
[2:04:49] Very much, Mr. Chapman.
[2:04:50] And just in case there's a contest between you and Mr. Christensen.
[2:04:56] You slightly win on the messy writing just to let, you know.
[2:05:01] Next we have Nikki or Haloran.
[2:05:04] Nikki or Haloran is my next speaker.
[2:05:10] I did see a couple of folks leave, so perhaps that's who it was.
[2:05:14] I'll call one more time for Nikki or Haloran.
[2:05:19] In the lobby there, is there anybody with that name?
[2:05:23] Doesn't look like it, but if the person has not left, it can always get back on the list.
[2:05:28] Next it looks like we have a duet from Vanessa Walker and Chelsea Bandman who was chosen to speak together, I understand.
[2:05:39] Excellent.
[2:05:42] Are you coming together?
[2:05:44] Are we are excellent.
[2:05:45] I live in the stream.
[2:05:47] We've been waiting for.
[2:05:49] Well I figured I might go over five minutes, so if I do I'm a tiger in and then I still follow.
[2:05:53] I'm not on that one.
[2:05:54] You're right.
[2:05:55] You're right.
[2:05:56] You're right.
[2:05:57] You're right.
[2:05:58] You're right.
[2:05:59] You're right.
[2:06:00] I'm at four minutes and 49 seconds.
[2:06:01] I think we're going to be okay.
[2:06:03] My name is Vanessa Walker and I'm a homeowner here in Mission BC.
[2:06:06] I'm opposed to approving this site on the 3188 low heat highway.
[2:06:07] I would also like to note that the people who called in primarily don't live in Mission and those were the ones who were in support.
[2:06:13] So just kind of pointing that out.
[2:06:15] The reality is that this approval changes long term future for the site.
[2:06:20] The application is described as enabling a contaminated soil cleaning and recycling facility on a portion of the subject site.
[2:06:28] The portion of the subject site is what kind of worries me because I feel like that leaves room for an additional industrial use and expansion.
[2:06:35] Once the land use and zoning are changed.
[2:06:38] The custom CV 60 zoning is also a little bit too broad.
[2:06:42] The city is proposing a custom zone created for this project so that would include light industry heavy industry light manufacturing waste resource management and warehouse.
[2:06:51] Plus general office.
[2:06:53] That opens the doors to much wider set of industrial uses that what many residents here might not know where even weighing in on today.
[2:07:00] I will note that there were a few amendments made that we couldn't really hear in the back.
[2:07:04] Yeah that caused you and don't worry we won't take away from the final term to Mr. Pablo to explain what a CD zone does.
[2:07:11] It's just a unique zone that allows a more tailored use of the site but Mr. Pablo you can explain it better than I.
[2:07:22] As noted in the presentation the the applicant is proposing to use the majority of the site for the soil washing facility.
[2:07:29] And then the the narrower strip between that facility and all over.
[2:07:34] There is some future potential there for something that might be light industrial or more of an office base use.
[2:07:41] That is what has been proposed and that's why the strategy was to blend the the IMPP one zone and the industrial waste management zone together to facilitate the use of this piece of land.
[2:07:58] So I'm going to flip ahead to the next.
[2:08:00] For me, I see this as a location creating a bit of a safety and community compatibility program as a lot of people stated the ones who do live here in mission this is our mission core.
[2:08:13] This should be a space for mission residents and local businesses to build companies create accessible jobs and build up pride and long term economic activities in our own city not permission to lose commercial growth and land to heavy industrial operations.
[2:08:26] It is also immediately beside the RCMP detachment with which we have all discussed and the RCMP did mention that this was their emergency route and.
[2:08:35] Not to mention there's lots of homes and people commuting on this road as well so it's important for all of us that it remains.
[2:08:41] For you last there's lots of I'm sorry to the last part of what you said I just missed your last sentence.
[2:08:48] Something you said not to mention people on the road and I didn't catch it I'm sorry not to mention that this is kind of our familiar road from most people to get through through mission they go to their jobs the the RCMP meet this route in order to respond quickly to the things that are happening in our city so I would like to keep that road not clogged up with trucks ideally.
[2:09:11] The traffic here is not just a inconvenience it increases collision risk congestion noise and air pollution for the people who live and work here.
[2:09:19] And as I said the RCMP already made their comments.
[2:09:22] What I like to talk about is the scale and intensity of this operation the package just grabbed processing up to 300,000 tons.
[2:09:30] Just in one year and then they go up to over 600,000 tons annually within five years with potential operations going 24 hours which I know was.
[2:09:38] I was discussed what even if we're looking at that 10 hour window of the 100 inbound trucks 100 outbound trucks that's one trip every three minutes and that is a lot of traffic on our roads.
[2:09:49] The level of tonnage and truck movement brings noise emission dust road where and a safety risk.
[2:09:55] The environment should it was be taken into consideration whenever we're discussing future projects the environmental and floodplain setting makes it risk you're not safer.
[2:10:04] One of the gentlemen here said that the site is not that close to the river but I would remind him that when you live in the Fraser Valley when you're next to the Fraser River the river finds you sometimes and you're not always prepared for it.
[2:10:15] There is lots of wetland and development permit areas like the E1 the E2 the DPAF and the DPAG for geotechnical so floodplain plus contaminated soil handling plus outdoor stockpiles is a combination that demands the highest standard of containment and oversight.
[2:10:33] And it should be in an appropriate location if all the reasons I listed were not enough after reviewing the engineering reports which should be honest was a tough read for me.
[2:10:42] But I got through it and I did find that they flagged some service in runoff concerns engineering states that the minimum water main for this land uses 250 millimeters but all of a street has an existing 200 millimeter water main so that infrastructure does not support this project.
[2:10:59] Additionally the city does not guarantee fire flow engineering also states that there is no municipal storm sewer on Oliver Street and at the site.
[2:11:08] The site is bordered on MOTI ditches culverts and water courses in this setting storm water containment and runoff control control should not be optional.
[2:11:18] The oversight plan creates a long enforcement gap I know someone else brought this up but they are going to be accepting soil prior to provincial authorization.
[2:11:26] When I read the report in this binder that means it falls to us so the municipality to approve it and that doesn't sound too bad to be monitoring until you realize it could take 1.5 to 4 years 4.5 years for the provincial government to start monitoring it and that means that's a lot on our city.
[2:11:43] On page.
[2:11:44] If you want to take it from your time I'm going to ask staff two things the first I'm going to ask a planning and then the second I'll go to Mr. UNI to either answer or delegate to somebody else.
[2:11:54] On the service capacity at this road the question of fire and the size of the main and so forth can you clarify.
[2:12:02] Ms. Topfits probably actually your question but do you need a chance to look that up and I'll come back to you.
[2:12:09] Okay no problem I'll do that. Mr. UNI on the question this has been raised before Mr. Public spoke about it a little bit before but what is the role of the city I think there's been an assumption that the city would be required to oversee.
[2:12:25] The environmental values here as opposed to things like trucks and dust and light which we do have domain on can you explain what the city would be involved in in regulating.
[2:12:36] I think in general terms the city would be involved like with any other business so if there are complaints received we would invest in those complaints for non-compliance with existing bylaws.
[2:12:46] I think with respect to the provincial or provinces role in permitting the city won't issue a permit other than if the soil management bylaws is amended but in terms of the provincial role I think it might be worthwhile asking the applicant about how that provincial permit works.
[2:13:05] And what they can do prior to the receiving the permit.
[2:13:08] We'll do that later and I don't know whether you can answer this or they can but it strikes me that with or without a permit if there was run off issue into a stream for example that would still be an MOE domain not a city of mission domain is that correct.
[2:13:24] Yes in general if it is a discharge direct direct to the environment then that would be provincial domain however our staff often are the first kind of responders on environmental things like that and we'll report to the province if it's a discharge from their site to our storm sewer then that is a regulatory issue for us to to deal with.
[2:13:47] Is tough did you find the answer that yes I can confirm there's a 200 mail doctor line water supply on all of that.
[2:13:54] The question was asked is it required to be at 250 or is the capacity at 200 enough and I can come back to you if you need to look that up further.
[2:14:04] Well it's in the engineering report so an analysis would have been done of the required flow to the development based on the bylaws so it's 250 for the supply.
[2:14:15] It would either be existing is enough or it would be a condition of adoption if they did have to increase it correct.
[2:14:22] So if it isn't the right size that would be a precondition of the proponent to bring the size up to take a pass.
[2:14:32] That create further construction on the same road that we're trying to block traffic from kind of building on though.
[2:14:38] So if we have to construct the the water mean that likely going to cause construction in the area on top of everything else would it not.
[2:14:46] It's a water mean needed to be installed under the road.
[2:14:50] It would I'm sure we'd involve some digging and resurfacing.
[2:14:56] Yeah so my point to all of that is the infrastructure.
[2:15:00] So, there, so I don't see why we're trying to fit something into a mold when other places do exist.
[2:15:05] It is a lot of extra work on the city, especially with the monitoring.
[2:15:09] I know we were trying to find where that was said, but I believe it was page 54 where they put down,
[2:15:15] I don't know, sorry, page 55 that prior to soil receiving provincial authorization approval, it would be under the municipality.
[2:15:23] And on page 16 of the information package, it states that the current municipal regulations do not contemplate a facility such as this.
[2:15:30] So it is kind of even out of our wheelhouse and we're taking it on as a city.
[2:15:34] I point is, you're looking at a report that's an older report and we've had updated information.
[2:15:39] So that's the one that's listed on the website right now.
[2:15:41] That's one report on page 15 and 16 that you talked about was from 2025, so we had further information.
[2:15:48] Thank you very much.
[2:15:50] So Ms. Benman, I think you're next, right?
[2:15:54] I'm taking your bit.
[2:15:56] I'm just going to go rogue instead.
[2:15:58] And keep it short.
[2:16:00] I'm also opposed.
[2:16:01] I've lived in mission my whole life.
[2:16:04] And I own one of the properties that's in that new complex that's just across the way.
[2:16:09] So I'm personally invested in this.
[2:16:12] And I'm concerned about many of the same issues that other people raised.
[2:16:17] You know, noise, traffic, logistical concerns is to dust and such.
[2:16:25] And I am also worried about if these issues do come to pass,
[2:16:30] and you have all of those residents in our complex with issues because we're there all the time.
[2:16:37] The amount of complaints that you're going to get to the city and the amount of workload that that's going to be on your behalf
[2:16:44] and take away from other things that can be worked on other initiatives.
[2:16:49] It's just going to be a vast workload increase to deal with all of these complaints.
[2:16:54] And that's all I'll say.
[2:16:56] Thank you very much.
[2:16:57] Thank you.
[2:16:58] Thank you both of you.
[2:16:59] Our next speaker is, I'm sorry if I don't get the name spell.
[2:17:02] It's not the sprinting fault.
[2:17:04] Lucas Agagne, do I have it correct?
[2:17:15] Greetings counselors.
[2:17:18] My name is Lucas.
[2:17:19] I'm a resident of July.
[2:17:21] And I work in mission.
[2:17:22] I also play board games in Abbott'sford.
[2:17:26] So, and I go all over the valley.
[2:17:29] But, so just one thing we do have a wheel wash on our site.
[2:17:35] I just want to point that out.
[2:17:41] You know, I'm in the prime of my life working for this company.
[2:17:45] I've been there for about a year.
[2:17:47] They seem to be people that really care about the community and the work we do.
[2:17:52] And I really care about the work we do.
[2:17:56] I put in a lot of time and a lot of effort.
[2:18:00] And I really try to take care of the site, try to take care of the environment.
[2:18:05] And I think that's, that's all I really have to say.
[2:18:09] Thank you very much.
[2:18:10] I appreciate it.
[2:18:11] Mr. Neil Smith is next.
[2:18:19] Just as Mr. Smith is coming to the microphone for the folks who are going to be online,
[2:18:23] who wish to speak.
[2:18:24] I'll let you know that after Mr. Smith, I'll be going back to virtual participants.
[2:18:28] So, if you wish to speak and you have not spoken, Ms. Cooper will go to you first.
[2:18:33] If you wish to speak for a second time, as long as you're not bringing something else up,
[2:18:37] that has already been asked or raised by another speaker.
[2:18:40] You can speak a second time.
[2:18:41] Thank you for your patience, Mr. Smith.
[2:18:43] The floor of yours.
[2:18:44] Thank you.
[2:18:45] My name is Neil Smith.
[2:18:46] I am a resident of mission.
[2:18:49] I've been trying to get myself up to speak on this because I've been away for a little while.
[2:18:55] And when I first heard about it, I was quite enthusiastic in the knowledge that there's been a lot
[2:19:01] of illegal dumping in the area.
[2:19:04] So, the idea of somehow diverting that,
[2:19:09] has looked promising to me before I go on on that point.
[2:19:15] I just don't know me that it's very hard to persuade somebody that something is true
[2:19:23] when their job depends on them not believing it to be true.
[2:19:28] I don't think that's the problem with this project.
[2:19:32] I think a lot of people like myself are quite enthusiastic about having a cleaning project.
[2:19:41] It's the location that's the problem.
[2:19:44] Not the job creation or lack of job creation around it.
[2:19:47] It's the location.
[2:19:49] And I started off very open-minded about this,
[2:19:54] but the more I read about it, the more skeptical I became.
[2:19:59] I think the whole project got off to a really rocky start back in 2021
[2:20:04] when Keystone Environmental did an assessment,
[2:20:08] which, fortunately, the city,
[2:20:12] inspected later and discovered that they've actually been,
[2:20:17] I'm trying to avoid that this strong word.
[2:20:21] Let's say they were all being disingenuous about the nature of the site.
[2:20:27] So when they were the court in this,
[2:20:32] I still try to avoid that word,
[2:20:38] but I think you understand where I'm going.
[2:20:41] I'm wondering why that particular environmental assessment agency
[2:20:48] is the one that they go back to a few years later.
[2:20:53] They already gave a not very good report in the first place
[2:20:58] that they had to do some remedial work on,
[2:21:01] which the city itself described as an atypical response
[2:21:08] to basically being misled about the nature of the site.
[2:21:15] So that was a big red flag for me,
[2:21:19] the environmental assessment company,
[2:21:22] very early on,
[2:21:24] misled the city about the nature of that site from the environmental perspective.
[2:21:31] I later, I continue reading through these,
[2:21:35] the city's report on this project,
[2:21:37] and there was an reference to another geotech company,
[2:21:42] because name was Sterling,
[2:21:44] and he referenced that the Fraser River is 150 meters away,
[2:21:49] so it's not a problem.
[2:21:52] So I was trying to access the full report on that.
[2:21:58] I don't know if it's publicly available,
[2:22:00] because I'd really like to read the full report,
[2:22:03] because the summit Earthworks reference to it,
[2:22:08] which is just a quote from his report.
[2:22:11] And I think we all know that you can easily,
[2:22:15] and take a small piece of a big report
[2:22:19] to make it look like it's supporting what you say.
[2:22:22] I'd like to really see that full report.
[2:22:24] I wonder if you've actually been able to see that full report,
[2:22:27] because I was down there at the weekend,
[2:22:30] and the edge of that site,
[2:22:33] but it's right up to some wetland,
[2:22:36] which clearly links into Silverdale Creek,
[2:22:40] which definitely has a lot of salmon spawning through,
[2:22:44] or salmon running through there.
[2:22:46] I witnessed that myself earlier this year,
[2:22:49] I've started earlier last year.
[2:22:52] So it's clearly a very environmentally-centered area,
[2:22:57] and yeah, I'm really concerned about this project,
[2:23:02] a lack of transparency.
[2:23:04] I love the fact that they're cleaning up soil.
[2:23:07] This is a wrong location to do it, and no.
[2:23:09] Thank you.
[2:23:10] I'll have the proponent maybe when they come back up,
[2:23:12] speak to your questions about those reports.
[2:23:15] Thank you.
[2:23:16] That ends the in-person list for the second time.
[2:23:19] I'll go to our online participants.
[2:23:21] Ms. Cooper, do we have anybody online who has not spoken
[2:23:24] and has raised their hand?
[2:23:26] It's a proclamation.
[2:23:27] Okay.
[2:23:28] Mr. McCloud, we will have your name on the sheet,
[2:23:31] or in the screen in a moment,
[2:23:33] and you can unmute yourself for now.
[2:23:36] It looks like you already know Mr. McCloud.
[2:23:39] You can unmute, and the floor is yours,
[2:23:41] and please tell us where you're from.
[2:23:43] Working and living, whatever you prefer.
[2:23:46] Hi, my name is Barack McCloud,
[2:23:48] and I work with some of the earthworks
[2:23:51] as a facilities coordinator.
[2:23:53] I live in Chilawak.
[2:23:55] I just want to speak today about our environmental record.
[2:24:00] I have a master of science degree in earth science,
[2:24:03] and I've been a professional and I'll just for almost 15 years.
[2:24:07] I personally sample our outgoing stockpiles of soil
[2:24:11] and review the lab reports by comparing them
[2:24:13] to the BC-Taminated sites regulation.
[2:24:17] As a qualified professional,
[2:24:19] I sign off on all of the soil that we transport
[2:24:22] to permanent field sites,
[2:24:23] be that federally or potentially permanent.
[2:24:26] I also repair all of the soil that leaves
[2:24:29] our facilities to the potential government,
[2:24:32] via their online soil relocation website.
[2:24:36] In regards to soil washing,
[2:24:38] I can assure you that we are employing proven technologies
[2:24:42] for our chemically resistant line facility
[2:24:45] and our water treatment system.
[2:24:47] I want to assure Mayor and Council
[2:24:50] that we are committed to environmental protection,
[2:24:53] and that soil washing is a huge step in utilizing
[2:24:56] what it's thought of as waste for it.
[2:24:59] Thank you.
[2:25:00] Thank you.
[2:25:01] Anybody else online, Ms. Cooper?
[2:25:03] Thank you very much.
[2:25:05] For those online, I'll be coming one last time
[2:25:07] after we exhaust the current written speakers list
[2:25:10] or the in-person speakers list.
[2:25:12] For those who have not yet spoken at even one time,
[2:25:17] currently I have two first time speakers
[2:25:19] and a third person is a second time speaker
[2:25:23] followed by Mr. Van Larr who I think wants to go last.
[2:25:27] But if you have not spoken at all,
[2:25:30] and you go and see Ms. Philopon in the lobby,
[2:25:33] I'll get you in after our first two speakers
[2:25:35] just to try and keep the convention
[2:25:37] of first speakers going.
[2:25:39] So our next speaker is Christina Baleca.
[2:25:46] I didn't plan to speak today,
[2:25:49] but it seems that we are,
[2:25:52] we are talking, I of course oppose
[2:25:54] and many of us oppose that.
[2:25:57] We didn't plan as a,
[2:26:00] my people from Action for Canada.
[2:26:02] I can represent over 100 people.
[2:26:04] I didn't speak to everyone,
[2:26:06] but for the whole year already,
[2:26:10] we were sometimes on that side and we were talking.
[2:26:14] And you know, I just couldn't believe,
[2:26:17] but people said, you know,
[2:26:19] it's not really worth it,
[2:26:20] because the city will approve anyway.
[2:26:24] And as I see here,
[2:26:26] today that company brought some people,
[2:26:28] maybe seems even that they've wrote something
[2:26:31] what they supposed to say,
[2:26:33] but we are here living
[2:26:36] and we are only,
[2:26:38] you supposed to be for us,
[2:26:40] especially for us,
[2:26:41] not for the company who hire 14 people.
[2:26:44] I believe that those people,
[2:26:46] not losing their job they have.
[2:26:48] Don't worry,
[2:26:50] for them,
[2:26:51] for our citizens,
[2:26:53] our residents to get job,
[2:26:55] because there are so many opportunities
[2:26:58] to build something else.
[2:27:00] Only we as a residents and companies and small businesses,
[2:27:04] we need a little bit support from city,
[2:27:07] from town,
[2:27:08] and we like working,
[2:27:11] are really together.
[2:27:13] I,
[2:27:14] if we're going by number,
[2:27:15] how many people is opposing,
[2:27:18] at least 100 people
[2:27:20] from Action for Canada.
[2:27:22] Mission chapter is opposing that site.
[2:27:25] Thank you so much.
[2:27:26] I don't want to take more time.
[2:27:28] Thank you.
[2:27:29] I'll just ask,
[2:27:30] if we've had a couple of comments this evening,
[2:27:32] and I just will remind people,
[2:27:33] you can have a seat,
[2:27:34] Ms. Belekka.
[2:27:35] This is going to be in general.
[2:27:36] That when you come up,
[2:27:38] please do not address other people in the room.
[2:27:41] Please do not comment on the motivations of other people in the room.
[2:27:45] We care about all the things that people are talking about today,
[2:27:48] including jobs and economic development.
[2:27:50] It's also not in good form
[2:27:52] to question character of other people.
[2:27:54] Come up and let the merits of your debate
[2:27:56] be what you share.
[2:27:57] Please leave it at that.
[2:27:59] This is a land use question.
[2:28:01] It's an important one,
[2:28:02] and it's not worth creating divisions in our community.
[2:28:06] And I think it's important for us to just try
[2:28:08] to keep in the rails when it comes to that.
[2:28:11] I appreciate it.
[2:28:12] Next is,
[2:28:14] I'll come back.
[2:28:17] I'll come back, Mr. Scora.
[2:28:19] Thank you.
[2:28:20] And then our next speaker is Steve Janssen.
[2:28:29] Here in Councillor Peefe.
[2:28:31] My name is Stephen Janssen.
[2:28:33] I've she lived about 10 minutes from here.
[2:28:35] I'm actually northeast,
[2:28:36] but I've worked for a lot of
[2:28:39] exhibition companies and solar remediation companies as well.
[2:28:49] Working with Summit for the last three and a half years now
[2:28:53] has been one of the best companies I've worked with.
[2:28:55] On top of working with them,
[2:28:57] being only 10 minutes from home,
[2:29:00] I'm one of those 14 people that will be working on this facility.
[2:29:04] I know people address the tracking issue.
[2:29:08] It's a big deal.
[2:29:09] It's low heat highway.
[2:29:11] The tracking is already happening.
[2:29:13] The tracking, if they're not coming to us,
[2:29:15] they're driving past us because it's low heat highway.
[2:29:18] That's the access, it's the main artery.
[2:29:21] The only access that would be gaining truck traffic
[2:29:24] would be all of our street itself.
[2:29:27] That would be the thing that would be gaining major traffic.
[2:29:30] I've heard there's concerns about
[2:29:33] infrastructure for water and everything else.
[2:29:36] Well, like any district,
[2:29:39] when there's growth,
[2:29:41] infrastructure has to grow.
[2:29:42] There will be growth happening at one point at
[2:29:45] whose cost, I'm not sure that's not my
[2:29:47] department to do with.
[2:29:49] For me, it's just one of those things that
[2:29:53] I save three to four-hour traffic driving,
[2:29:58] working with Summit coming into.
[2:30:00] Mission. I live nearby. I travel through Mission. I go off in the woods and everything else. And the environmental stuff
[2:30:10] like we're top notch on it. Like we are always concerned we're always being monitored. And all our
[2:30:17] guys are professionals. And when there is a problem, we make sure it's taken care of as fast as we possibly can to make sure it's
[2:30:24] ensured that it's not safely and properly. Thank you. Thank you.
[2:30:29] Ms. Fillupon, I don't know if you can hear out there, but I have my next speakers, somebody who's the second
[2:30:34] time. I just thought that would check. You have no more first timers. Thank you very much. So next is Brandon Dylan.
[2:30:42] I'll go to the computer. Sorry, Mr. Dylan. Just so everybody knows what's happening. I'm on my second round of
[2:30:49] in person. I'm going to go one last time to the computer folks. So if you are on the computer and you
[2:30:54] wish to speak, raise your hand now because after Mr. Dylan, I'll go there. And I'll finish up in
[2:30:59] chambers and I'll be checking with Mr. Van Barde whether he wants to go now or wants to go
[2:31:03] at that round. So I'll check with you before I go to the computer. Mr. Dylan, thank you for your
[2:31:07] patience. Go ahead. Eric Council. I just want to apologize for taking out more of your
[2:31:11] time. There's one thing that I also wanted to mention before I got off of there.
[2:31:17] One thing that it is that Steve also mentioned there is that it is a main access is low
[2:31:23] heat highway. If there's, you're going to take the traffic away from there. You no matter what
[2:31:29] living in mission myself for all these years, you are only going to go up either
[2:31:34] cedar or you're going to go up by where in hats like there, no matter what way you go all
[2:31:40] the traffic routes are always going to be trucking through school districts and everything
[2:31:45] like that. We're going to keep all the traffic going through trucking routes and everything
[2:31:51] going into an industrial zone, which is made for those kind of things. But if taking it away
[2:31:56] from that and going to the back of mission, no matter what trucks are going to be going through
[2:32:00] school zones, every which way you go. Thank you for that comment and just will ask staff
[2:32:05] to clarify because I'm not sure if this is understood. Currently traffic is traveling on
[2:32:11] rent and gear, which are the city's roads to the low heat highway and this would largely
[2:32:17] direct them to all of us. That correct? For this site, yes, this traffic is intended to
[2:32:26] utilize all of our access low heat highway. So I guess the reason I asked that is I think
[2:32:32] it's important for the community to know the city doesn't have domain and I think our last two
[2:32:36] speakers have talked about this regarding the low heat highway. The trucks on the low heat highway
[2:32:40] are the provincial responsibility for enforcing commercial vehicles safety and speed and all
[2:32:46] the rest of it. Okay, thank you. Mr. Van Lard, did you want to go now or did you want to go
[2:32:51] after we've had oat looks that we have another person, another first time or if go ahead and
[2:32:56] bring. Okay, Mr. Merris come up. Welcome. Yeah, so I am against this proposal and I am
[2:33:15] pro business, pro employee for sure, but this is the wrong location. This is going to end
[2:33:24] up being in our city center and for that reason, we cannot allow this to happen. Thank you.
[2:33:32] Thank you. I think that exhaust our speakers list in person. I'm assuming Mr. Van Lard, you want to go after we've had
[2:33:40] others. Okay, so this is the last call for our online participants. If you haven't spoken before,
[2:33:45] Ms Cooper will look to you first and then anybody who's speaking for a second time. It's important if you're
[2:33:50] speaking for a second time because we are now with less than an hour left in the meeting not to be speaking
[2:33:57] about things that have already been covered, even if they've been covered by others. So please only speak if you're
[2:34:02] bringing in new information. Ms Cooper, who do we have next? You have Justin Bond. Mr. Bond.
[2:34:09] It's wait now. I'll let you know when I can see your name on my screen. Thanks for having me back, guys.
[2:34:19] Okay. Do some things I do have some questions for Mr. Van Lard and thereafter. I'll try to keep those closer towards the end.
[2:34:29] So a couple of comments that I have about this whole conversation or hearing tonight to the floor is the 24 hour operation sounded like to me like a soft yes.
[2:34:41] It's not very defined whether it's yes or no. It sounds like a soft yes.
[2:34:45] Okay, I'll pause you and get some answers to that. My understanding with asked this question earlier is the land use designation and the business licensing are two different
[2:34:55] So the hours of operation currently are what our business hours of operation would be. Is that right, Mr. Mr. Public?
[2:35:04] Yeah, the proposal is telling us that they're going to operate on site the equipment 24 hours a day.
[2:35:10] We don't typically limit hours of operation for businesses. Okay.
[2:35:17] So the truck the trucks in a note sounds like it's a different question than the operation on the site.
[2:35:24] And I made a list and I'm just going to go down it. So comments that I do have is based on what the experience I first may have and all the land and buildings and equipment and et cetera that are in my civic addresses, which are near their current operation is that I will tell you that the young ladies that stood up that are from red and raven area.
[2:35:44] I'll admit to the north of the proposed facility. All of their exterior windows and barbecues, et cetera and their Sundax will be covered in dust. That's a for sure not a maybe.
[2:35:55] I also wanted to comment that we had major employment employee retention issues because of the current operations with people couldn't keep their vehicles clean.
[2:36:08] We're just saying, hey, I can go get a job somewhere else and I don't have to deal with this stuff and that's that's 100% true. That's why we bought a lot of vehicles on.
[2:36:19] Just to address another comment. All are you still in the room?
[2:36:24] I am. I'm listening that I'm talking to somebody at the same time. I can have to hear you, Mr. Bond.
[2:36:29] I just wanted to check with you about Mr.
[2:36:37] I'll just wait until I have your attention.
[2:36:40] Okay, perfect. So one comment you made is about the raceway and how it operates sometimes late at night, et cetera.
[2:36:47] I just want to make sure that the room understands that the raceway has been in operation since August 25th, 1965.
[2:36:54] And we're talking March the second 2026. A lot has changed in all those years. So I don't think that putting this all in the blenders is the actual proper approach.
[2:37:05] The next thing I'd like to bring up is that I think it's kind of well put that we all understand that somebody is a great company.
[2:37:13] And I think that we can all hang or had on that location as the fundamental issue here.
[2:37:17] This isn't about the company. It's about what we want to do on this piece of land.
[2:37:22] And I must make sure that everybody understands that this piece of land is treating contaminated soil. We all know that.
[2:37:28] And it is not protected. There is no diet to protect it from the river. So to me, we can have all these smarty pants.
[2:37:35] But common sense tells me that we're going to eventually have one of these hundred year or four hundred year or whatever floods. And that soil's going to end up in the river or in the creek.
[2:37:47] And I can say this. We have a slogan in my business, which is ask performance predicts future performance.
[2:37:54] And the past performance of the operating company towards all of its neighbors has been of such that we have proof.
[2:38:00] So I don't know how we can argue that we're changed. I don't personally believe that, but then I would say well maybe we should parking lot this whole thing and let them operate for six months or a year before we have this hearing.
[2:38:16] And say they put in a truck wash at their current facility. They did all these things they said they were going to do.
[2:38:22] Because I guess for me and my life is if you're not really good at sleeping before, we're not going to pull it well during your hand. If we don't reward bad performance in my life.
[2:38:32] And that's what we're doing here. We're saying you weren't a good neighbor, but we'll let you be another neighbor to somebody else.
[2:38:39] Okay. And one other point that I'd like to bring up, but I don't have any facts on it, but I would like somebody to check it up.
[2:38:46] Is a couple of years ago, some of the earth works on some land adjacent to the property that Bob Cowan is in, which is 31413 Gel Avenue.
[2:38:57] I'd Jason to that property, there's some land at some of the owns, and they were actually holding dirt in there and stock filing it illegally.
[2:39:04] And I called Mike Euney and all of a sudden it stopped in all the dirt went away.
[2:39:08] So if it wasn't illegal, why did they stop and why did they take the dirt away, but then we're up here praising our integrity.
[2:39:15] That's has to be somewhere on record that it happens. And I'd like that to be checked.
[2:39:21] Well, we'll put that in the record, Mr. Vaughn. This is not an application on that particular property this evening, but we'll register that comment.
[2:39:29] No, no, no, no, no, no. It's not about property. It's about the past performance for the future performance.
[2:39:36] Okay. The other question that I would like to have answered is, or one thing I can say to you is, we're all talking about jobs.
[2:39:43] If you guys are unaware, you can literally go outside and throw a rock and hit your next job. There's jobs everywhere.
[2:39:50] There's help. Help one of the signs everywhere. The world has a freaking epidemic. It's looking for employees.
[2:39:56] Okay.
[2:39:58] The next thing I'd like to say is, how many sites, and I'd like Mr. Van Lard to call me after this, how many sites farther like this in our lower mainland of British Columbia that treats well?
[2:40:08] I would just like to know.
[2:40:09] So the second one is, Mr. Vaughn, I just want to clarify that while Mr. Van Lard may wish to speak to that,
[2:40:16] it's not okay for one person in a public hearing to address another person in a public hearing.
[2:40:21] And I said earlier, so I used to actually be in our preamble. Your comments are meant to be directed to council.
[2:40:28] He may wish to answer some of your questions or some of the thought she raised here.
[2:40:32] But you, unfortunately, asking directly of another person in the room, isn't okay.
[2:40:39] There's no problem.
[2:40:40] How many cubic meters of mission-based soil plan to come or currently, how many cubic meters of soil that is mission-based soil comes into the treatment plant versus a percentage from out of town?
[2:40:52] Because I'm led to believe that percentage of local domestic soil being treated in this soil facility is actually quite low.
[2:41:02] Mr. Vaughn, I'm not sure that anybody in the room has that that's proprietary information.
[2:41:08] It would be like me asking you.
[2:41:10] And then I would like to also remind you all is that we've had a lot of people stand up here tonight in support of it that worked there.
[2:41:17] But let's not discount the fact in one shift at JBS Steve Secor walked around and got 80 signatures out of 140 in one shift.
[2:41:29] Okay.
[2:41:30] And Paul, I do, I don't know if this is the appropriate place to ask.
[2:41:34] But what is the job of the mayor in such city council meeting? Are you the chair of the meeting?
[2:41:40] Yes.
[2:41:41] This meeting tonight.
[2:41:43] Yes.
[2:41:44] Okay, because I'll be honest with you.
[2:41:45] I don't feel that you're very unbiased in this meeting.
[2:41:47] I feel like you're very salesman kind of orientation in this meeting.
[2:41:51] I don't feel like you're Switzerland in this meeting.
[2:41:54] I think you're very proud of the project.
[2:41:56] And I think that if somebody makes a comment that is negative, you're very aggressive.
[2:42:00] But if somebody makes a comment that's positive, you're very, oh, they're with your palm palms and cheering it on.
[2:42:05] And I don't think that's fair of a position of a chair.
[2:42:08] I don't think that you acted in a very neutral environment in my opinion.
[2:42:13] Thank you for your feedback.
[2:42:15] The job of council members during the public hearing is to maintain an ability to be swayed by the people.
[2:42:23] In the room.
[2:42:26] And I assure you I've come into this conversation this evening with that exact state of mind.
[2:42:33] Thank you.
[2:42:34] Thank you.
[2:42:35] Well, okay, so I'm good.
[2:42:36] Thanks for having me.
[2:42:37] Thank you.
[2:42:38] Anybody else, Ms. Cooper?
[2:42:40] Online?
[2:42:41] Okay, so that was our final call for online.
[2:42:44] This is our final call for in person.
[2:42:47] Is there anybody else on the list?
[2:42:50] Okay, go ahead.
[2:42:51] Go ahead, come on up now.
[2:42:55] So just to the record, your name again is.
[2:43:00] My name is Annessa, and I'm a resident of mission.
[2:43:03] Annessa Walner, is that correct?
[2:43:05] Correct.
[2:43:06] Thank you.
[2:43:07] So I'm back here for a second time primarily because I overheard some stuff.
[2:43:12] But their point was that regular citizens shouldn't weigh in on things when they're not in the industry.
[2:43:17] And so that is why I'm up again.
[2:43:20] I don't have my prepared speech.
[2:43:22] I am not from the industry.
[2:43:23] So I had to actively look up all what was it like a hundred and nine pages of all of this.
[2:43:28] And then I had to Google words.
[2:43:29] I didn't know.
[2:43:30] And I had to continue to learn so that I could come up here and feel confident when I say that I'm against this for these reasons.
[2:43:37] I don't.
[2:43:38] I have really apologized to anyone who deeply has a passion for reading policy.
[2:43:42] I think that's great.
[2:43:43] We need people like that.
[2:43:44] It was very boring.
[2:43:45] And it was very hard to get through.
[2:43:47] But I did it because I care about where I live.
[2:43:49] This would not only just affect me, but the people around me.
[2:43:52] So yes, some of us have to prepare speeches and know it's not on chat to be teal the time.
[2:43:57] But it's important to me to be a citizen who's not in the industry and be able to say, hey, this is not a good idea for me.
[2:44:04] And it's probably not a good idea for you.
[2:44:06] So if something affects the environment and the people that live here and it affects the future growth potential, I will always say, no.
[2:44:14] Thank you.
[2:44:15] Thank you.
[2:44:17] The last speaker I have for the evening is other than when counselors may have questions for speakers is Mr Van Larr.
[2:44:24] So Mr Van Larr, I don't see anybody else indicating that they would like to speak.
[2:44:30] So after you all open it to counselors for questions and then we'll close the public hearing.
[2:44:36] All right.
[2:44:37] Thank you.
[2:44:38] And thanks everyone for the feedback.
[2:44:42] We have indicated that we would like to do an open house a year after operation.
[2:44:46] So anyone would be often come to that and ask us questions about how it operates.
[2:44:49] I know it is a complex industry.
[2:44:52] So if you don't know it, you can always come and we plan to give to our staff everyone.
[2:44:56] I did want to address a few of the comments and.
[2:45:00] And here's a comment about how close it is to the river and whether there's a hundred-year flood. It would flood the land. We hired a geoscientist or a hydrologist, sterling geoscience. The report was submitted to council, so you do have it. I think someone mentioned they don't have it. We only had to raise the grade to 10.5 for a 1 in 500-year flood. We're raising it to 12. So we're raising an extra meter and a half just to be safe.
[2:45:30] Because we know that essentially rules out any potential flooding in this site. The site is on the other side of the C.P. rail tracks, C.P. rail also does pretty good on two diligence on their flooding.
[2:45:41] And then it's also, again, it's 10 times further away from the river than our existing contaminated soil facility.
[2:45:47] So that's common on that. The comment about the dust, we have massive dust control, and we're overseeing by the Ministry of Environment. The site that we're in and also with the trucking.
[2:45:59] There's four other businesses that operate in that heavy industrial site. We're not the only company that operates in that heavy industrial site.
[2:46:06] We do get all the blame, which is, you know, we generally don't point fingers at anyone, but we are not the only ones that operate on that site.
[2:46:14] And the majority of the dust is not coming from us. So I'm not going to, I don't want to point fingers at other people, but there's other businesses operating there.
[2:46:22] It's a massive heavy industrial site that brings massive economic gain to mission and lots of jobs, and we're just on one fifth of the property.
[2:46:32] So that's the point on that one.
[2:46:37] CD60 zoning, someone brought up that.
[2:46:41] Yeah, we would, we would like to eventually put light industrial buildings on this second section. That's just not part of the application because it would make it to complex.
[2:46:49] We'd probably move our office there eventually. We have our head office in mission. We're growing quite fast and we anticipate a lot of job growth in mission in the future.
[2:46:58] This soil washing facility does complete 360 recycling.
[2:47:03] The water in there goes into the soil cleans the soil by taking up contaminants and then it runs through a water treatment system.
[2:47:09] And that water treatment system takes the contaminants out of the water and the water is recirculated back into the soil.
[2:47:15] So the water itself gets cleaned almost immediately and then it's reuse. It's very economically friendly. It lowers carbon reduction.
[2:47:24] It actually removes the need for more cores in BC and in mission. There's a lot of cores in mission and this essentially lets you take gravel that would normally be landfill, then take a valuable landfill space and reuse it as a commodity.
[2:47:38] So to me that is a big benefit to mission and to British Columbia.
[2:47:44] Sorry, I've got a lot of scribble notes here.
[2:47:49] Again, yeah, I just want to emphasize that this facility is going to reduce truck traffic on Gill Avenue, which when you start to hear complaints about it, this benefits that.
[2:47:58] This site is such a good site. If people talk about going up up to northern mission by the queries, if we want to bring truck traffic up there, we got to go by multiple residential sites,
[2:48:07] schools, zones, a bunch of other facilities. Whereas here it's 150 meters from the highway, like how much closer can we get to the highway.
[2:48:14] It's a straight line. There's two access points on that road.
[2:48:18] And we've talked about both of them and they're both okay with this. So I don't know how much like how much closer can we get to the highway until people are satisfied.
[2:48:26] In fact, we are actually thinking that eventually we would try to add an access on to low heat highway directly.
[2:48:33] We have looked into that. The Ministry of Transportation was not super satisfied, but that is something that we look forward to in the future.
[2:48:42] And I can't remember the other questions from GBS.
[2:48:47] I mean, a petition, I can get my entire company to write a petition if you guys want that doesn't really mean much.
[2:48:53] There is some history with JB performance. They've run to some land from us and there are some things there.
[2:48:59] I think that have added some of the comments tonight.
[2:49:03] But overall, I would like to say, this site is the perfect spot for this. It's right beside a heavy industrial site, similar activities happening by us.
[2:49:13] And in general, it's just better than it's on the site. We have better access for the way it's a number of higher elevation and more advanced technology.
[2:49:21] So I definitely urge you to approve the rezoning.
[2:49:24] And once the rezoning is done, the next step is the Ministry of Environment Prevent.
[2:49:29] So the Ministry of Environment Prevent requires us to do public consultation. We're going to do this entire process again.
[2:49:34] And if the Ministry of Environment isn't satisfied with the public feedback, then they won't approve the facility.
[2:49:40] So this is just the rezoning step.
[2:49:42] Thank you. I have councillors who had questions and I presume they're likely for you, Mr. Bernard. So please don't sit quite yet.
[2:49:50] And I'm sorry if I haven't got the order quite right, but I have.
[2:49:54] Councilor Gil, Councilor Hamilton, did you have a question?
[2:49:57] Okay, and then Councilor Lyas and I've got Councilor Plexus and Davies.
[2:50:01] Councilor Gil, go ahead.
[2:50:03] Thank you, Mayor Horn. And first and most importantly, I just want to thank every member of community whether you spoke virtually.
[2:50:09] Or in a chance to speak or even had a chance to attend and many folks do work early hours.
[2:50:15] So thank you for not falling asleep on us here.
[2:50:18] I guess my first question is there was a conversation regarding that once the water in the plant is, I guess, stored inside the wash.
[2:50:30] What's the contingency plan? Can you talk about that if something does fail?
[2:50:34] I'm having some difficulty a couple of times in the hearing.
[2:50:38] What was the very last part that you said I didn't hear it?
[2:50:42] Did you just talk about the contingency plan?
[2:50:44] If the machine fails.
[2:50:46] Sorry, the Ministry of Environment has very rigid requirements for this type of facility because they definitely do not want any contamination.
[2:50:52] Keeping into the environment.
[2:50:54] So essentially the entire site becomes a bathtub. There's a non permeable liner.
[2:50:58] And then there's a secondary concrete liner. And that ensures that no contaminants can leak out into the environment.
[2:51:04] Along all the edges there's going to be catch basins. They capture any water that would spill out for any reason.
[2:51:09] And those catch basins go to a direct dump and that some gets pumped back into the water treatment system.
[2:51:14] So even if there was some sort of crack or something in the pipe, that water would be contained still.
[2:51:20] There's a lot of water storage on sites. And then the secondary thing is that we install well points around the site.
[2:51:26] And those wells, we test the water annually. I think we might test it more than only.
[2:51:30] But we tested to make sure that if there was some sort of leak, you would catch it in that and then you could immediately do remediation.
[2:51:37] Perfect. And I know the traffic impact assessment and the report it mentions that it has been completed yet.
[2:51:44] Can you just talk about the scope? Does that just cover your property or does that cover future growth for the neighboring properties as well?
[2:51:51] I believe it does. We do have our traffic consultants. Where did you go?
[2:51:56] Anyways, Aaron Chan from CTS has done the traffic assessment.
[2:52:01] They have decades of traffic experience and they're doing this in accordance with best practices that are done for traffic studies.
[2:52:08] So let's check with staff if that's okay. If you can't so Mr. Pablo, can you comment on that?
[2:52:13] What's the scope of the TIA? Or is that a question that we should potentially hold.
[2:52:18] I have later on Ms. Taff. Sorry.
[2:52:21] I'd be deferred engineering.
[2:52:23] Hey, Ms. Taff.
[2:52:25] I don't have the details of the whole scope. The TIA is still under development and it has to meet the requirements of the Ministry and city staff before it's empty.
[2:52:35] So one thing I'll point out to counselors is if we have unanswered questions this evening, we can ask for third reading report.
[2:52:42] That may be one of them, but we'll sort of mentally note that as we go along back to you, Councillor.
[2:52:47] Sorry. I believe the TIA has been finalized and it's just being reviewed by the city, actually.
[2:52:52] Yes.
[2:52:53] I'm put sure.
[2:52:54] That's not.
[2:52:55] Okay. Well, we'll come back to that.
[2:52:58] Sorry.
[2:53:01] According to the update from the Manager of Transportation, it's not yet finalized.
[2:53:05] Okay.
[2:53:06] So I think that may be a question we need to have answered.
[2:53:09] Go ahead to Councilor Go.
[2:53:10] Thank you.
[2:53:11] I know there was a concerns or raised about just once the trucks do come off of.
[2:53:16] Lloyd High, we're on to all of our street.
[2:53:19] What's the plan if the trucks need to be stationed or if there is a backup?
[2:53:26] Yeah. We, every truck that comes to our site is going to receive a truck route plan.
[2:53:30] And that truck route plan is going to show them it's happy we're to go.
[2:53:33] On the planet says absolutely no stopping in front of our C&P that's something that there's some PAS this morning.
[2:53:38] We said for sure we can do that.
[2:53:40] And then trucks actually go quite a bit into our site over 150 meters into our site where the gate is.
[2:53:45] That gate is.
[2:53:46] I would say there'd be never a reason why that gate would be closed before truck to get there because we talked to the truck in companies before they come to our site.
[2:53:53] And like the trucking companies. So we always have people on site if there's a truck coming.
[2:53:58] And then we have a 700 meter ring road that can that can basically handle as much traffic as we need even if we'd a shutdown for some reason.
[2:54:05] So I don't believe there'd be any any impact for having trucks backed up anywhere near there are some people's facility.
[2:54:11] Yes, my next question is you had mentioned you had had to chance to speak with RCMP.
[2:54:17] I know early on RCMP did write a letter of concern.
[2:54:21] And I guess this could be even a question to staff is I know when I read the report there was really no letter added.
[2:54:30] I know there was comments provided by our RCMP, but can someone verify what position of the RCMP detachment is.
[2:54:37] It's probably one for our staff as the original letter.
[2:54:41] Is there an update on that mystery unit?
[2:54:45] Or Mr. Publ.
[2:54:47] Yeah, we'd refer to Mr. Publ.
[2:54:50] The update on that is that they have we understand the applicant has had conversation with the RCMP and they are satisfied with the with the arrangements that have been met.
[2:54:59] I think with Councillor Gill is saying correct me from wrong Councillor Gill is do we have independent verification from the RCMP.
[2:55:07] Yeah, we have emails confirming that those negotiations on the RCMP satisfaction.
[2:55:13] Okay, thank you.
[2:55:14] Awesome.
[2:55:15] That's it for my questions. Thank you.
[2:55:17] Thanks.
[2:55:19] Thank you, Mayor Warren.
[2:55:21] Well, I came with an open mind tonight and I certainly learned a lot.
[2:55:24] I do a couple of questions though.
[2:55:26] I was mentioned I believe I Mr. Bond that the land is not protected from the river with a dike.
[2:55:32] But I believe you said that you've raised it more than you needed to do.
[2:55:35] We've raised a higher than any dikes around it would even be.
[2:55:38] So yeah, we're raising it to over 12 meter salvation, which is the existing land was to eat meter salvation.
[2:55:44] I'm still confused on the 24 hour operation because if you could just dummy that down for me please.
[2:55:52] So essentially trucks will come in from standard operating hours like 8 to 5.
[2:55:56] And then the machinery itself is designed to run 25 hours a day because it can't the machines.
[2:56:02] Our slower washing the soul then we can receive the soil.
[2:56:06] So the machines run essentially 24 hours a day.
[2:56:09] They're quite quiet. We've done a noise study and basically within 20 meters of the machine.
[2:56:14] Your noise is about the same loud as low heat highway.
[2:56:17] And if you're on low heat highway, you wouldn't even hear the machines.
[2:56:19] And if you're across low heat highway at this rent facilities, you definitely won't hear the machines.
[2:56:23] There's just one more question if I may.
[2:56:25] So the traffic will there still be truck traffic going down.
[2:56:28] You'll have a new will be but it'll be reduced.
[2:56:32] Because a lot of like any truck that comes to this facility will be a truck that was diverted from the other facility.
[2:56:38] Thank you. Councilor Elias.
[2:56:42] Yes, thank you very much. So I've got lots of comments which will save to the very end rate.
[2:56:46] And that's just a question.
[2:56:48] And we're going to after I have all my counselors as questions.
[2:56:51] We're going to have to extend the meeting.
[2:56:53] So counselors are just questioning right now.
[2:56:55] We have another public hearing.
[2:56:57] We've got other members.
[2:56:58] Other evidence on our agenda this evening.
[2:57:00] And we won't typically get to this until bylaws.
[2:57:02] So yes, there's going to be some periods of other stuff.
[2:57:05] For now it's going to be a long night.
[2:57:07] Yeah.
[2:57:08] So my questions are has DFO been notified for the Silverdale Creek and the species removal.
[2:57:13] And as that all those approvals been put into place.
[2:57:16] Or can you repeat as DFO giving you the proper approval approvals to be so close to the Silverdale Creek.
[2:57:23] And then you had a gentleman here say that he was going to be hand picking the species removal and removing that.
[2:57:29] And for my understanding, DFO needs to have all that has to be approved by DFO.
[2:57:34] So have they been brought into this and giving you the approvals for everything?
[2:57:39] Well, actually, sorry, nothing of what we're doing is affected by DFO.
[2:57:44] It's affected by the Ministry of Water Lands Natural Resources.
[2:57:49] Yeah.
[2:57:50] So they have a repairing assessment team that analyze the site for us.
[2:57:54] For my understanding though, because Silverdale Creek is a fish bearing Creek.
[2:57:59] DFO should be part of the conversation.
[2:58:03] I'll check with Mr. Unie, but I don't believe that's accurate.
[2:58:07] I believe it's until you reach the foreshore of the Fraser River.
[2:58:11] That was my, well, that's my next.
[2:58:13] That's my next question.
[2:58:14] Can you speak to the jurisdiction?
[2:58:16] My understanding is that both agencies would have jurisdiction depending on the activity.
[2:58:21] The fisheries and oceans would only get involved with this actual proposal that has the potential or the reality of doing a harmful,
[2:58:30] what they call a harmful alteration disruption and destruction of habitat ahead that is known.
[2:58:35] So if there's no had, there's no need to involve DFO.
[2:58:39] As Mr. Van Lard says, the Ministry of Environment gets involved when they're doing the compensation work in riparian areas.
[2:58:47] If they're clearing vegetation and replanting, that's when there's a, there's some authorization required by the Ministry or by the provincial government.
[2:58:54] And Mr. Moes was the one that spoke about the invade move of the invasive plants, Mr. Unie.
[2:58:59] That would typically be what?
[2:59:02] Would that require approval of their invasive species?
[2:59:05] Yeah, it would be all part of the riparian restoration.
[2:59:08] If they're within a certain distance of Silverdale Creek, which they are in this case.
[2:59:11] And that's by design because the, that section of Silverdale Creek from the Fraser up to the highway.
[2:59:18] And lacks natural vegetation.
[2:59:21] There's, there's some trees in one up, but there's a heck of a lot of blackberries and, and other invasive plants that are understores.
[2:59:27] So that's being removed and, and replanted with native species.
[2:59:31] That's the real.
[2:59:33] So DFO has not been brought in to give any of the provost and same with for the Fraser River.
[2:59:38] It's a, it's a very high, um, surgeon, um, spawning area right there on the river.
[2:59:46] So I, I've spoken to you about this before as well as in regards to the concerns about any type of contaminated soil or sea fish happening on the Fraser River.
[2:59:57] Have you, what have you done to mitigate this?
[3:00:00] As my comment is, like our site is not adjacent to the phrase river or silver, they'll creak and we don't anticipate any seepage out of our water runoff or anything like that. No, like there will be, we will be applying for a discharge permit for the Ministry of Environment and a discharge permit would allow us to discharge clean water into the environment, but that water would have to be clean, we'd have to test it beforehand, and those records would have to give into the Ministry of Environment. And I think I'm pretty sure the Ministry of Environment will do a study on silver real in the phrase or to see if it affects it before they give us that approval.
[3:00:29] The Ministry puts all of those in place. Exactly. The Ministry, like, they're reviewing every little aspect of this facility.
[3:00:36] All right. Have you explored other sites, can they sort this versus this, this one site?
[3:00:42] We have, yeah. And this site makes the most sense, we have four other contaminated facilities in BC, so using our experience, we think this site is the best site.
[3:00:52] There's minimal truck traffic, you're going from low heat highway and you're going 150 meters into the site.
[3:00:58] It's like the least disturbance you can possibly do in mission.
[3:01:01] I just want to have a clear, I have a clarification question for something that you said earlier.
[3:01:06] So earlier you had made a comment in regards to that tonight's public hearing is only on the OCP change and that you're still operating as a soil washing place.
[3:01:17] And so if the OCP does not get approved, then what?
[3:01:21] All right. If this OCP and third, the rezoning does not occur?
[3:01:25] Yeah. Then what for you? I mean, that's our plan. That's what we do. We do contaminate, so.
[3:01:32] I'm not sure just to the question. So I just wanted clarification from something that he said earlier in regards to already operating, a cleaning soil facility.
[3:01:41] And so if this doesn't go through what happens for the property, what do you, what do your plans?
[3:01:46] I think the other, the operation is on land that's already zoned for there's another portion of property down there where the operation is on land.
[3:01:54] The operation is already correctly zoned.
[3:01:56] Am I correct in that? Is that my question?
[3:01:58] This, this rezoning, mimics the rezoning right across the train tracks.
[3:02:02] Disney, that you can't expand your services basically.
[3:02:05] Exactly.
[3:02:06] Okay. So Mr. Bond asked a question that brought curiosity to me in regards to the soil, on average, where is the soil coming from?
[3:02:15] You have significant projects coming from mission itself, for sure.
[3:02:19] I, I don't know, I, like, I can just give you a number, but I don't know if it's true, so we don't, we don't look at it that way.
[3:02:24] It was just a curiosity question, so.
[3:02:26] But there are, there are, there are significant contaminating sites in mission.
[3:02:29] Most of the non-developed land left in mission is going to have problems.
[3:02:32] And we're going to be there to help them.
[3:02:34] Thank you.
[3:02:35] Thank you.
[3:02:36] Before we go to Councillor Plexus, I'll ask for a motion to extend beyond 930 until the completion of business moved by Councillor Plexus and seconded by Councillor Gill.
[3:02:45] Any comments or questions?
[3:02:47] All those in favour?
[3:02:48] Opposed?
[3:02:49] I'll carry unanimously.
[3:02:50] We'll continue on with Councillor Plexus.
[3:02:52] Thank you.
[3:02:53] Appreciate everyone being here tonight.
[3:02:55] And certainly appreciate you responding to all the questions.
[3:02:58] Question, I have a couple questions.
[3:02:59] One is, it indicated on the report that this particular site can handle with the new technology,
[3:03:08] aggregate and demolition material as well.
[3:03:11] And is there intention to do that as well on that site?
[3:03:15] The new technology could do that.
[3:03:16] I mean, it can do that.
[3:03:18] Like we don't really have plans for that.
[3:03:19] That's not as common in around here as it would be in Europe.
[3:03:23] So I've gone to Europe to look at a number of these in Europe.
[3:03:25] So watching facilities are kind of mainstream there.
[3:03:28] They tried to not quarry and they try not to landfill.
[3:03:31] So anything that has taken out of a construction site goes into a soil wash facility.
[3:03:35] So it would be, it would be capable of doing it.
[3:03:37] The demand is not really there right now.
[3:03:39] But if the demand is there, we would do it for sure.
[3:03:42] Yeah.
[3:03:43] Secondly, you indicate that would take some of the truck traffic of kill avenue.
[3:03:47] Is there a possibility?
[3:03:49] And I don't know the volume of soil coming in, contaminate soil.
[3:03:54] If you load up the site and you can't take any more in, depending on how fast it moves out and gets clean.
[3:04:00] Is it possible you would move that contaminate soil to another site?
[3:04:03] Tell you are able to clean it.
[3:04:06] No, I don't think so.
[3:04:08] We wouldn't be moving.
[3:04:09] It would be too expensive for us to unload soil and then load it up again and bring it somewhere and unload it again.
[3:04:14] That costs quite a bit of money.
[3:04:15] So I think we would just using our operations planning.
[3:04:19] We'd make sure they didn't happen.
[3:04:20] Good.
[3:04:21] Thank you.
[3:04:22] And the other question was, you've indicated, I think, staff indicated you've applied for a permutative
[3:04:27] Ministry of Environment for this particular site.
[3:04:29] This particular site is really according to what the report.
[3:04:33] It's a preload only.
[3:04:34] And you're looking at taking the existing permutative.
[3:04:38] You have for the Duncan Avenue site and transferred an admin to getting it from that one to this site.
[3:04:46] Or putting a new one.
[3:04:47] Do you apply for a new permit or just an amendment to current permit?
[3:04:50] We applied for a new permit.
[3:04:52] Originally, the mission environment was open to us extending the permit onto the new property.
[3:04:57] And then when they looked at the full scope, they thought we should do a complete new permit.
[3:05:02] So once this is done, we'd have a permit on this facility, a brand new permit.
[3:05:06] Okay, thank you.
[3:05:07] Thank you.
[3:05:08] My last question right now is Councillor Davies.
[3:05:11] I'll check with Councillor Hararb.
[3:05:13] I've closed up the curing.
[3:05:15] Councillor Davies.
[3:05:16] Thank you.
[3:05:17] Thank you.
[3:05:18] Mr. Vanlar.
[3:05:19] Questions on regarding the wheel wash?
[3:05:21] Are you going to be installing a wheel wash facility at both locations?
[3:05:24] Yes.
[3:05:25] Yeah.
[3:05:26] It's actually.
[3:05:27] Okay.
[3:05:28] Sorry.
[3:05:29] We have a wheel wash on our existing facility.
[3:05:31] It's not like a pressure nozzle spray wheel wash, which is what we've been installing here.
[3:05:36] In the last few months, like we started hearing some feedback.
[3:05:39] So right away, we basically say, yeah, we're going to install one of those.
[3:05:41] It's going to cost us a lot of money, but we'll do it to fix it.
[3:05:44] So we press your wheel wash.
[3:05:46] That's right.
[3:05:47] The drivers that come through to your facilities.
[3:05:50] Are they your drivers?
[3:05:51] Are they into your driver?
[3:05:52] It's a mixture.
[3:05:53] Yeah.
[3:05:54] It's a mixture.
[3:05:55] What's the mixture?
[3:05:56] I mean, we have.
[3:05:58] It's probably majority external trucks and then minority internal trucks.
[3:06:02] I do operate at best practices guide for drivers to ensure that they're operating within the neighborhood.
[3:06:08] Yeah.
[3:06:09] Walley, who is here.
[3:06:10] He's our health and safety manager.
[3:06:11] And he is completely on top of health and safety.
[3:06:13] We operate in really tough zones.
[3:06:16] So we're on top of that.
[3:06:17] And how many trucks per day do you get at the Gil.
[3:06:20] Or on Gil Street today?
[3:06:22] On average, probably somewhere between 15 to 30.
[3:06:26] Three a day.
[3:06:27] And what reduction?
[3:06:28] You said that the new location would reduce that.
[3:06:31] What percentage of reduction would that be?
[3:06:33] It'll probably depend on type of contaminant.
[3:06:35] So on certain days, if a type of contaminant each facility will be more specialized in each type of contaminant.
[3:06:40] It'll depend on that.
[3:06:41] But on general, it'll be significant.
[3:06:43] I can't give you an exact number.
[3:06:44] I could make one up, but I don't want to do that.
[3:06:46] So it'll be significant.
[3:06:48] Thank you.
[3:06:50] Can you answer her?
[3:06:51] Have any questions?
[3:06:52] I've been answered.
[3:06:53] So with mine.
[3:06:54] And so we have exhausted the speakers list.
[3:06:56] So I will consider that I will call this particular public hearing closed.
[3:07:01] And we'll move on to the next one.
[3:07:02] Thank you.
[3:07:03] Thank you very much to members of the public.
[3:07:05] And I've cleared the public hearing closed.
[3:07:08] I've already asked people a third time to speak.
[3:07:10] So the public hearing is now closed on that one.
[3:07:13] And we'll move on to the second public hearing for the evening.
[3:07:17] Which is zoning amending by $640 to 2026.5949204.
[3:07:24] And Mr. Public can introduce this one.
[3:07:44] Public hearing.
[3:07:45] I'll just get you to wait one second.
[3:07:48] Perhaps.
[3:07:49] Yes.
[3:07:50] Thank you, Mr. Philippine.
[3:07:51] Mr. Grumwell will come in.
[3:07:53] I'll make a watch online to be a while.
[3:08:03] Time to get one.
[3:08:04] I don't think so.
[3:08:06] We're going to get Mr. Pablo to get started here.
[3:08:09] But perhaps.
[3:08:12] If we need to in a moment, we can take a break.
[3:08:14] But for now, I'll get him to go.
[3:08:16] Mr. Pablo, go ahead.
[3:08:18] This public hearing is for an application to amend the M.T.
[3:08:22] One zone to permit shared amenity common indoor spaces within the city of
[3:08:28] Mission.
[3:08:29] This slide shows just a couple of the examples that we have seen from other communities.
[3:08:35] In particular, this is a one from Delta and one from Abbotsford.
[3:08:40] In reason to have this pilot study is to allow for the sharing of indoor
[3:08:49] amenity spaces between multiple complexes.
[3:08:52] The one of the requirements will be that legal agreements are required between townhouses.
[3:08:58] The there'll be a radius requirement of 400 meters between the consolidated indoor amenity sites.
[3:09:09] The shared amenity buildings are required private facility owned and operated and
[3:09:16] maintained by the participating strata corporations.
[3:09:19] The city would require an incumbent registered on title prohibiting the
[3:09:23] dissolution of these legal agreements.
[3:09:26] Benefit of providing the shared amenity spaces.
[3:09:34] So this provides an opportunity for greater diversity of amenity spaces being provided in
[3:09:39] these large combined units.
[3:09:43] The cheese and economy of scale for the developer and the strata corporations.
[3:09:48] It creates a social hub for the broader community that, you know, in some
[3:09:53] case it can be a number of hundreds of strata units large.
[3:09:58] And it advocates for walkable communities by connecting all of the townhouse sites with, you know,
[3:10:05] heightened pedestrian amenities.
[3:10:10] Part of the requirements, part of the changes that are going into the zoning by law are summarized here.
[3:10:15] So we're going to be creating definitions for the amenity shared common space.
[3:10:20] We're going to be creating definitions for a caretaker residents and guests accommodations.
[3:10:26] We are creating requirements for onsite parking for this use.
[3:10:36] Go through some of the details here.
[3:10:40] So any space common indoor, which is the new definition, which is unlike other common space, is not exempt from
[3:10:50] space regulations because on these unique sites, they would be the only use the principle use.
[3:10:57] As noted parking requirements are low to encourage walkability.
[3:11:01] These facilities are private, not for commercial use and serve the limited catchment.
[3:11:07] There's also an opportunity to provide outdoor amenity spaces at a 50% credit, such as pools or basketball courts to increase diversity of features provided.
[3:11:21] One of the considerations is the 400-meter radius, which is, and that's what's deemed walkable within four to six minutes.
[3:11:29] So that's where that requirement comes from.
[3:11:32] It's similar to that catchment of a bus stop.
[3:11:36] These catchments are again planned to be used in all areas of mention, and sort of they're consistent with transit oriented area principles.
[3:11:45] They discovered, they discovered driving between the sites and the need for large asphalt parking lots.
[3:11:55] This is an example of what that 400-meter radius would look like if it was applied to our own recreational facility.
[3:12:00] So that's the kind of catchment area that would be created by this 400-meter radius that we're proposing.
[3:12:10] When this file I was introduced, one of the topics of concern with parking, so we've got a couple of slides just illustrating what that would look like.
[3:12:17] So this slide summarizes the requirement that's proposed in the by-law.
[3:12:22] One and a half spaces per dwelling unit when that when a dwelling unit is provided within the amenity building.
[3:12:28] And again, one for a gas decommodation, if it's provided in the amenity building, two accessible parking spaces, two drop off parking spaces,
[3:12:37] and then one space per 250-meter square of amenity space.
[3:12:42] And one space for employee if an amenity building is intended to have a day care for instance.
[3:12:50] Table summarizes some of the different options and compares it to different standards that could be applied.
[3:12:57] The green highlighted line is the proposal from staff, which results in if the building is 2,120-meter square, it results in need for eight parking spaces.
[3:13:13] The next couple slides illustrate what that looks like.
[3:13:16] So this is what the parking on in this scenario is that eight parking stalls directly to the east of this proposed building.
[3:13:26] If we increase that to a need for 20 parking stalls, that's what the parking lot looks like.
[3:13:31] It doubles in size a little more than double with the required travel lanes.
[3:13:39] And then again at 40 parking stalls, that's what it would look like if you if we up the requirement for parking.
[3:13:50] We have some comparable examples, so this is the club west from Abbasford.
[3:13:56] They require four parking stalls for their shared amenity facility.
[3:14:00] And their radius, the project serves for this amenity building serves people within 430-meter square.
[3:14:09] So that's what that looks like on the ground.
[3:14:12] The next example is similar. This is from the Sunsoon Development in Delta.
[3:14:17] That project required nine parking stalls.
[3:14:20] And this is the radius it serves.
[3:14:23] The radius is 520-meter square.
[3:14:25] But again, it's a very compact walkable radius.
[3:14:30] The final example is from Parkalquitland, where they required five parking stalls.
[3:14:37] And this is the layout of the whole project and the radius and sort of that measure of walkability for that provision.
[3:14:45] So that's sort of part of the background that went into staff's recommendation of this relatively low parking count.
[3:14:57] So as a summary, staff would recommend to the new by-law.
[3:15:00] On amendment for third reading, staff have received the application indicating interest in the shared amenity building, and staff believe it could be a valuable option through it.
[3:15:11] The community for developers to provide a wide array of recreational options within their required amenity buildings.
[3:15:17] Thank you very much. Ms. Hubbard, can you summarize correspondence, please?
[3:15:21] Absolutely, one written submission in support has been received from the applicant, saying that large communal amenity building service future phases of development.
[3:15:31] To be clear, this is not specific to a particular application. This is for the entire city, so we need to be careful. There isn't a specific applicant on this particular case.
[3:15:43] It's one developer who is hoping that the general policy will change. Is that a fair statement?
[3:15:49] It is in that this by-law amendment will apply municipality wide all-product within the empty one zone, but it was put forward by a particular applicant who's interested in pursuing this type of build.
[3:16:02] Thank you for that clarification. I appreciate it.
[3:16:04] We'll turn now to our online participants. If you wish to speak, there would be a good time to raise your hand and Ms. Cooper will let us know if you're wishing to speak.
[3:16:14] Ms. Cooper on the first call, is there anybody? Ms. Cooper has one person. Just wait and I'll tell you when I can see your name on my screen and I'll be able to go ahead.
[3:16:27] Mr. Bond, you can unmute.
[3:16:31] Yeah, I think this is an awesome idea. Thanks for having me, Mayor and councillors. I just had one quick question.
[3:16:37] So, it's a private facility for the residents within the radius, correct?
[3:16:44] You'll have to go through the chair, but Mr. Pablo, it's a shared facility for if I remember,
[3:16:51] is that I'm a correct up to 10 buildings or 10 complexes, could you share it?
[3:16:58] It is a shared private facility, so the background is that all townhouse projects over 25 units are required to build indoor amenity spaces.
[3:17:07] This allows multiple townhouse projects to share in the provision of that indoor space in typically, or what we're expecting,
[3:17:15] what we're expecting, much larger, more diverse products for townhouse buildings.
[3:17:22] So, my question kind of, that leads sideways into my question, which is, and I'm not, I'm not against this at all.
[3:17:30] I'm just curious and I'm just trying to understand what logistics I've been really, is that.
[3:17:35] In this radius that we're speaking, if there's a sad resident that wants to access this private facility,
[3:17:44] do they walk on all private walkways to get there, or do they walk on municipal walkways?
[3:17:49] Like in Howard, these walkways being maintained and snow in those types of situations.
[3:17:54] My understanding is that there may be a combination of private roads leading to public roads that would have already been plowed.
[3:18:01] The public roads would have been plowed according to our street-flying policy, and the individual complexes,
[3:18:07] both on the property of the amenity center, as well as our own private strata roads, would be responsible for own.
[3:18:13] Snow-plowing.
[3:18:15] Yeah, that's small, that's all I was curious, that's all, thank you.
[3:18:19] Thank you.
[3:18:21] Do we have a second speaker online, Ms. Cooper?
[3:18:24] Okay, for the first time here in chambers, is there anybody wishes to speak to this?
[3:18:30] Or a second time online, Ms. Cooper, for a second time in person?
[3:18:39] Or a third and final time online?
[3:18:42] Thank you.
[3:18:43] And for a third and final time in person, is there anybody wishes to speak to this?
[3:18:47] Before I go to Councilor's for questions?
[3:18:50] Seeing none, members of Council on any questions?
[3:18:52] Councilor Davies?
[3:18:53] Councilor Gil.
[3:18:54] After that?
[3:18:55] You had a question through the chair of Mr. Pillow.
[3:18:58] The 400 meter radius, is that hard set depending on the townhouse complex?
[3:19:03] What's the policy if we end up with five townhomes at our exceeding that radius?
[3:19:09] So this, the 400 meter radius is what we're proposing to embed into the empty one zone.
[3:19:20] If the say in the future a project came and they had a project that was 420 meters.
[3:19:27] One of their facilities was 420 meters away from the shared image building.
[3:19:31] They'd have options to consult with staff and either seek a variance or an amendment to the empty one zone.
[3:19:39] It's just to be clear on the question, and maybe this is what you're asking.
[3:19:43] I'm not sure if this is your question.
[3:19:46] Does the entire development have to be within 400 meters or just some portion of it has to be within the 400 meters?
[3:19:53] Right.
[3:19:54] So the way we've written the bilite would be some portion of that site.
[3:19:58] So if you have a very long linear site, if the tip of your site is within that 400 meter radius,
[3:20:04] we would consider you within the radius.
[3:20:07] So that really wouldn't happen then.
[3:20:09] So as long as there's one in it, they're all on it.
[3:20:11] That's right.
[3:20:12] That's what I thought your question was.
[3:20:14] Thank you.
[3:20:15] Councillor Gill.
[3:20:17] Thank you, Mayor Horn.
[3:20:19] I guess just a clarification question.
[3:20:22] For the connectivity to this clubhouse, is it all through trails, private trails and strata,
[3:20:28] or will the residents, because the question?
[3:20:31] The question I just Mr. Barn asked was for snow clearing.
[3:20:34] I know we don't clear sidewalks, and the parking is limited at these clubhouses.
[3:20:39] So for an event, if it's snowed, if residents were going to walk there, would they, would there be a,
[3:20:46] I guess through private trails or strata roads, or would they have to,
[3:20:50] some of the residents would have to go on public roads or public sidewalks?
[3:20:55] So just to be clear, so this.
[3:21:01] Those kinds of design elements, about the actual pedestrian connectivity and the linkage to those
[3:21:06] future shared in many spaces, should they be permitted?
[3:21:10] Would all be part of the development permit that would come forth in the future?
[3:21:15] That said, I would imagine there to be, in mixture, depending on the product and where it was,
[3:21:20] the next year of both public roads, sidewalks, strata owned mobs or trails within the strata, strata roads,
[3:21:30] and also municipal mobs and trails.
[3:21:34] So there's going to be all those forms coordinating to lead people to these facilities.
[3:21:41] Okay, so there is no real restriction that it has to be restricted to strata,
[3:21:47] road, just strata pathways.
[3:21:49] As far as the walkability, no, but that would absolutely be part of what staff are looking at,
[3:21:55] down the road when we're in the development permit stage.
[3:21:59] And then secondly is, would this be part of the,
[3:22:02] the rezoning application of an applicant did bring this forward and Council would be able to see those design elements as well,
[3:22:08] or does the approving officer decide that approval?
[3:22:11] No, this, this would be Council authority through the development permits,
[3:22:16] where if there's rezoning needed, it would be with both rezoning and development permits,
[3:22:22] where where this plan for pedestrian connectivity would be demonstrated through that development permit.
[3:22:28] Thank you.
[3:22:29] Councillor Davis, before I go to Councillor Davis, let me check and see if anybody has got a question before you that hasn't asked.
[3:22:35] Go ahead.
[3:22:36] Go ahead, Councillor Davis.
[3:22:37] Thank you.
[3:22:38] Last question, Mr. Pablo, within this policy was there any thought given to delegation,
[3:22:43] if a radius needed to be increased in that unit wasn't inside of the radius,
[3:22:48] that staff had the authority to do some delegation without slowing things down,
[3:22:52] needing to come for a variance.
[3:22:55] Well, we hadn't thought about that particularity.
[3:22:58] In general, these projects are going to come to Council through the development permit.
[3:23:02] So if we had an instance where it was outside the radius, it would become,
[3:23:07] it would come packaged as part of the development permit to Council.
[3:23:11] Thank you.
[3:23:12] Seeing the other questions and having you exhausted our speakers,
[3:23:15] I will call this public hearing closed.
[3:23:18] And I thank everybody who's participated in the public hearings.
[3:23:21] We have this evening.
[3:23:22] We'll move now to item five, which is Resolution Resolve into the Committee of the Whole,
[3:23:26] moved by Councillor Lyas and seconded by Councillor Hurrah.
[3:23:29] All those in favour?
[3:23:30] Opposed?
[3:23:31] We are in committee of the whole.
[3:23:33] We move on to item six.
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[3:23:38] Weekend and tante Lectures for that.
[3:23:41] Let's start on this morning.
[3:23:43] Okay, the party is opening.
[3:23:44] We have $10,000.
[3:23:48] Dependent and adjourned.
[3:23:52] So here's the committee's final Stage, the chair of the committee is
[3:24:04] I appreciate all that you've done and shown the profit in the difficult circumstances and I do appreciate.
[3:24:10] The question was, and I just an ask is, where are we out with a Doyle Street parking lot?
[3:24:17] There's part of work that you're taking on this year, is it moving forward or is it moving forward?
[3:24:22] Yeah, I think I do have an update there, so the parking lot location has been ribbon in the field
[3:24:27] and we're currently working on assessments, so our archaeological assessment will be completed tomorrow.
[3:24:32] Hydrological assessment, I'll be completed this week, I just talked to the hydrologist today.
[3:24:37] And so that is looking at impacts of the parking lot on hydrology and local water quality.
[3:24:43] And then environmental assessments, so we're getting an engineered parking lot design and the completion of a erosion and sediment control plan and the engineered design includes water control measures in the parking lot.
[3:24:55] We'll also put in a cutting permanent application to the province this week.
[3:24:59] And it all goes well with the assessments we expect construction to start in late April, assuming the permit gets issued in a timely fashion, which I expect it will us not a large cutting area.
[3:25:10] Thank you for your response.
[3:25:11] Thank you.
[3:25:12] Mr. Greenwald, it's a very good news and unexpected news given the climate of the economy right now and I would just ask that you work with communications to tell the story around this news.
[3:25:24] I think people need to know more whenever we have the chance to talk about what our forestry operations do.
[3:25:30] It would be valuable and I think an update regarding the Dwell Street parking would also be available part of that.
[3:25:36] Thank you very, very, very much.
[3:25:37] I appreciate it.
[3:25:38] Thank you.
[3:25:39] Seeing no other questions.
[3:25:40] We'll move on to the next item.
[3:25:42] Thank you.
[3:25:43] Item seven A, there's a recommendation from staff and there is one amendment.
[3:25:47] I'm sorry before I go in that is that it's number seven should say the 2026 date.
[3:25:53] But I'm assuming that's not particularly important in your motion.
[3:25:57] Move them off.
[3:25:58] Okay.
[3:25:59] And we are in committee.
[3:26:01] We don't need a second or anybody with a comment or question.
[3:26:03] Thank you to our applicants.
[3:26:05] Thank you to our jury who done this process.
[3:26:07] Thank you.
[3:26:08] Thank you.
[3:26:09] Thank you to.
[3:26:11] Thank you as well to Mr. Haney for improving our process.
[3:26:16] We do have comments.
[3:26:17] I'd ask if let's go forward if we're going to have a comment.
[3:26:20] Thank you.
[3:26:21] Thank you, Mayor Horn.
[3:26:23] I guess my first question is, I know in the report you talked about opening night theater would be awarded in kind.
[3:26:29] Clarke, collect theater usage to support their work.
[3:26:32] Instead of monies.
[3:26:35] Are they aware of that?
[3:26:36] Or was there any feedback from them?
[3:26:38] Dr. Crow.
[3:26:41] I believe once the decision is made everything is passed tonight.
[3:26:45] Mr. Haney and his team will reach out to the applicants and give them news of what they've received.
[3:26:52] I understand it and correct me if this is wrong.
[3:26:55] Mr. Union is that some conversations had happened with some applicants already.
[3:27:00] Yes, certainly.
[3:27:02] I know that Mr. Haney did have a conversation with opening night theater, but I don't know what was in the conversation.
[3:27:07] Okay. Thank you.
[3:27:09] I guess my second question is, I know what to pin job culture club in the report talks about that they received funding last year.
[3:27:16] And both of their events were not completed.
[3:27:18] But for my understanding, one of the events was completed.
[3:27:22] So is that just an error in the report?
[3:27:27] Mr. Crow.
[3:27:28] That's my understanding as well and that council has been presented.
[3:27:32] But I think that version of events.
[3:27:34] Yes, that is my belief.
[3:27:37] The misprint essentially.
[3:27:39] I guess my next question is just for the criteria.
[3:27:45] I know there are some events that you know have you know a wider attendance of folks that do attend.
[3:27:51] Is that part of the criteria?
[3:27:53] Just the impact.
[3:27:55] I guess for people attending.
[3:28:00] So the criteria that applicants are rated based off of.
[3:28:07] They it includes a community partnerships.
[3:28:10] That's worth 10 points feasibility of the overall project is worth five points.
[3:28:15] Budget is worth five points as well and community benefit is worth 20 points.
[3:28:20] So they would take all of that into consideration when the jury goes through the applications.
[3:28:25] Would you say where would community I guess.
[3:28:28] The reach or the audience or the attendance where would that fit in that criteria.
[3:28:33] Without being a part of the jury process myself,
[3:28:36] I would imagine it to be under the community.
[3:28:39] Sorry, the community benefit portion of the rubric.
[3:28:43] With with with the 10 points.
[3:28:45] I believe with 20 20 points.
[3:28:52] Thank you.
[3:28:53] Thank you.
[3:28:55] Thank you.
[3:28:57] Mayor.
[3:28:58] And I just a question with regards to the legion indicating that the funding would come somewhere else.
[3:29:03] Is there an indication of that funding might be coming from.
[3:29:06] Or can you repeat the question.
[3:29:08] The funding for the legion was taken out of the grant funding when we were going to.
[3:29:11] Journal program are going to year to year.
[3:29:13] Wouldn't.
[3:29:14] Would be.
[3:29:15] You may have a.
[3:29:16] Answer on this.
[3:29:17] I think that staff are looking at being.
[3:29:19] Yeah.
[3:29:20] That's not resolved yet, but there will be a funding sort of secured annually.
[3:29:24] Mr. Stewart.
[3:29:25] Well, I believe the resolution was that it was.
[3:29:27] Five thousand dollars out at the far correct budget to be funded from the gaming reserve.
[3:29:31] Okay.
[3:29:32] That was the resolution.
[3:29:33] Thank you.
[3:29:34] All right.
[3:29:35] There's no other questions.
[3:29:36] I think the notions on the floor.
[3:29:38] I'll call the question.
[3:29:40] All those in favor.
[3:29:42] Opposed.
[3:29:43] Councilor Gilles opposed the matter carries.
[3:29:46] Thank you.
[3:29:47] Moving on to item eight.
[3:29:50] I don't believe we have a presentation.
[3:29:52] We have Ms. German here.
[3:29:53] If we have questions.
[3:29:55] If there's any questions.
[3:29:57] We can ask them or we can put the motion.
[3:30:00] On the floor, there aren't any questions. Councillor Hamilton, go ahead.
[3:30:03] Thank you. Mayor Horne, excuse me. So, do I gather that this does not include council members?
[3:30:11] What aspect? Well, they're not protected by the policy, because it says it's for staff.
[3:30:17] It's for staff, yes. If you would like us to look at whether or not we can protect council, we can certainly look at that.
[3:30:25] Mr. Unie, before we move on to Councilor Lies, this question, are there other policies that have this impact?
[3:30:34] It's a great question, because I've heard people come up here and start yelling at our staff.
[3:30:39] And if they were yelling at a councilor, which has happened, I don't think anybody would be comfortable including the staff.
[3:30:49] Similarly, there's been some examples without getting into specifics, where municipal councilors were yelling at staff.
[3:30:56] And that's what I thought your question was about. Do we have something that does this?
[3:31:03] If there was a councilor that was yelling at staff, and we'd be raiding and vexatious on what not, the cities policies would come into effect for that, because we have an obligation to protect our staff.
[3:31:17] In terms of members of the public yelling at Councillors, we don't have an existing policy on that.
[3:31:26] However, I think in the depending on the circumstances, I could see that a letter would be written from the city to that person, warning them of proper decorum and behavior and that sort of thing.
[3:31:38] So, Councillor, before I go to Councillor Elias, I'll just put a thought to your head and either, I can think of two options.
[3:31:45] One is that there would be an amendment suggested, and the other is to ask staff come back with some new language to address that or third option, ask staff to create a policy that is for council.
[3:31:56] So, I'll come back to you, but I'll let you digest that. Those options, Councillor Elias.
[3:32:01] Yeah, I, you know, it's sad that we even have to have a policy like this, but I understand, and I do agree with it. So, thanks for bringing it forward.
[3:32:10] And I also would support some sort of policy moving forward to actually protect council from the same abusive behavior, because it's not been an easy three years as a city councillor, and so for future councillors to not have the abuse and some sort of protection, but in place, I think that that's extremely important.
[3:32:28] So, we're at the question portion right now. We haven't got a motion on the floor. I'm going to come to council for Hamilton to see what you want us to move. Councilor Davies, you had a question?
[3:32:37] I do, two questions. First off, does this also protect employees or give employees protection from abuse that they might receive online via the internet?
[3:32:51] Might be a little difficult to protect people from the social media posts, because people are allowed to post what they want, so that part might be challenging to figure out how we would protect them from that.
[3:33:05] Well, a lot of the abuse that both staff, council and other organisations get is internet based, and it's generally based around accusations of corruption, which this document does not have that, but staff is getting facing that as well.
[3:33:21] So, I think that's a bit of a gap. And something that should be addressed, we shouldn't be afraid to address it.
[3:33:28] If I might, I think it would depend on the situation and to how a grief the staff member is and what the content really was of the message there.
[3:33:36] There's a general understanding that staff and councilors need to have thicker skin when it comes to that sort of those sorts of discussions, but I would say it really depends on the specifics of the commenting and the frequency and all those different things.
[3:33:52] And I do understand and agree that council in particular needs to have a thicker skin, but there's also individuals that push that boundary far beyond the realms of reasonability and there needs to be.
[3:34:06] So we're getting into the debate and I think we'll have a motion before we get there by that. I think I'm in one to answer something as well.
[3:34:13] I think there are some remedies that under defamation and slander, so that that could be looked at as well.
[3:34:19] I'm going to go to Councillor Hamilton again and I'll just say I actually really appreciate these questions which I hadn't thought about.
[3:34:27] And I do think Mr. Unique. And the guest, this is my question is, what I appreciate this policy is that it talks about vexatious behavior, which I see as at least in part very personal behavior.
[3:34:42] Unrelenting behavior. We received over the last few weeks an email from somebody who was unrelenting about a car on their on their street.
[3:34:52] Mr. Unique and I one entire summer received calls from somebody about an unlicensed business that was upset at their neighboring unlicensed business, including while I was a holiday.
[3:35:03] And so my question is to staff whether it's Ms. German or Mr. Unique. Isn't the part of the intention of this policy to say essentially we've done our best to answer you and to give staff permission to end communication with people.
[3:35:18] Like one of the things that that's here is how do you polite the hang up a phone more that's internal.
[3:35:23] We have a follow up policy or procedure which does provide scripts for people that is attached as attachment be, which helps people guide them through those conversations.
[3:35:35] So I guess what I'm trying to get at is is there not a possibility to map to Councillor Davies and Councillor Hamilton's question that we might be able to expand this a little bit.
[3:35:50] So that people who are communicating by email people who are communicating by social media messaging and targeting task or specific staff in particular.
[3:36:02] That we might be able to take action to say the staff we're going to support you and or you don't need to reply any further at this point.
[3:36:12] That's my question. Absolutely and I think that is referred to in the policy here as well.
[3:36:17] If I remember reading it correctly, but we do that already and that's absolutely that's one of the reasons behind why this was written as well.
[3:36:24] Councillor Hamilton, what's your pleasure what do you want to do here again I would say we have a few options we can ask staff to come back with those amendments we can make them here.
[3:36:32] I don't know whether we're of state of mind to do that or we can ask them to do something further to relate to social media and or council.
[3:36:40] In my main reason for bringing it forward I guess was probably the whole climbing that we're living in today on social media and if it's hard to do that I don't know if a policy would work but I'd be curious if other municipalities have such a policy that includes council.
[3:36:58] I think a motion to defer to answer some of these questions might be in order.
[3:37:04] I have to say I'm a familiar with a couple of circumstances including social media behavior including people who I would say are stalking our staff and I'm not sure this adequately addresses it so I think councilors have asked some questions here.
[3:37:19] So if I might councilor Hamilton can I ask you to move to defer that we defer to get more information from staff.
[3:37:25] Yeah so I think the questions relate to expansion of council and expansion to social media conduct.
[3:37:33] Councilor Gil did you have a question on this I guess just on the deferment is is this time sensitive or can it be deferred.
[3:37:40] Be deferred.
[3:37:41] We ready for the question then thank you for asking that question council Hamilton it completely sucked my mind this is why there's seven of us.
[3:37:48] Okay all those in favor.
[3:37:50] Opposed.
[3:37:51] It's carried thank you very much Mr. Min.
[3:37:53] Thank you for your patience and waiting this evening as well.
[3:37:56] All right now we move on to a bear with folks development services we have two items that are introductions nine A and nine B and these are just again for public.
[3:38:10] And put this is just so that the public knows that we're about to go out for public input and council can at this point not debate the matter but ask for any specific items that they'd like staff to make sure are.
[3:38:24] Right forward during the consideration or if there's a public hearing or if there's a matter on the council agenda so let's go to item nine a staff.
[3:38:33] Our able to answer any questions verbally or can add them later on anybody on three or nine seven one for interview.
[3:38:42] Seeing none will move on to the reintroduction report.
[3:38:46] 13, 1, 3, 0, 3, 3, 3, and 1, 3, 0, 8, 5, Pilgrim, Street, and I was asked by Councilor
[3:38:51] Plexus a question.
[3:38:52] Earlier, why is this being reintroduced?
[3:38:54] And I think, essentially, what happened is we had this process.
[3:38:57] We asked a bunch of questions.
[3:38:59] They came and answered them and staffed to talking with them and said, this essentially is
[3:39:03] a new application.
[3:39:04] Is that a accurate assessment of it, or at least substantially different amount of information
[3:39:09] in the application?
[3:39:10] Yes.
[3:39:11] So, when this was brought forward for introduction in December 15th, Councilor Express, some concerns
[3:39:17] and asked for some feedback in particular how this project would meet the recently adopted
[3:39:23] RMS strategies.
[3:39:25] And so the applicants gone back and looked at that and provided some, some volunteering and
[3:39:30] some answers to those questions and some guidelines are in how it, how and where it does
[3:39:35] meet the RMS.
[3:39:36] Thank you.
[3:39:37] I would just start the conversation here by saying that I think that we received a summary
[3:39:41] and it would really be important for the presentation to include all of those details.
[3:39:46] Other questions that we should like to ask staff to handle?
[3:39:49] Councillor Davis.
[3:39:50] Thank you.
[3:39:51] A question will be for when this comes forward to Councilor Page 127, the stream view that they're
[3:39:56] showing there is really quite fascinating and I'm wondering, are they building with the intent
[3:40:01] that these trees be there and this is what the neighborhood will look like or is this
[3:40:05] a snapshot into the future after the trees have grown?
[3:40:10] The other questions we'd like to have them include.
[3:40:13] Looks like no other.
[3:40:14] So we can move on to item nine C. There's a recommendation for the second reading and the
[3:40:20] public hearing evening of April 7th, and we'll go back to Councilor Plexus.
[3:40:24] This is for the OCP.
[3:40:26] Any questions or comments?
[3:40:28] We'll call the question.
[3:40:29] Allows in favour?
[3:40:30] Opposed?
[3:40:31] unanimously?
[3:40:32] A resolution to rise and report, please.
[3:40:34] Councilor Davis, seconded by Councilor Elias.
[3:40:37] Opposed in favour?
[3:40:38] Opposed?
[3:40:39] It's carried unanimously.
[3:40:40] I believe we had unanimity on every item except the grants, is that correct?
[3:40:44] That is correct.
[3:40:46] So, a resolution to adopt the unanimous elements of the Council of the Committee of the
[3:40:52] Whole would be in order to Councilor Elias, seconded by Councilor Plexus.
[3:40:56] I'll call the question to those in favour?
[3:40:58] Opposed?
[3:40:59] Thank you very much.
[3:41:00] now on the matter of the grants. That was the only other item. Do I have a mover and
[3:41:05] second mover? Move by Councillor Plexus. Seconded by Councillor Hamilton. I'll call the
[3:41:10] question. All those in favor. Opposed. Councillor Gill was opposed.
[3:41:14] No. In favor. Okay, so the matter carries unanimously. And then we move to Council Committee
[3:41:21] reports and minutes. This is the Cultural Resources Committee. If there are any questions, they
[3:41:27] would be in order. Sorry? That was the grant. No, you voted. That's what I was checking
[3:41:34] with you. So you were opposed. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for the record. Thank you. I thought
[3:41:39] you were doing a little, I thought you just had a moment of reflection. Okay. The Council
[3:41:46] meeting minutes. And in 13, we have three sets of minutes for approval. Do we have a mover
[3:41:52] for those three sets? Councillor Plexus and seconded by Councillor Elias. There's
[3:41:56] or omissions. Seeing none. I'll call the question. All those in favor? Opposed.
[3:42:02] It's carried unanimously. Thank you. We move on to bylaws. The first bylaw is the one we just
[3:42:07] did, which is the second reading of the OCP, moved by to the here Councillor Plexus or Councillor
[3:42:13] Davies. Thank you. Councillor Davies. Moves in seconded by Councillor Hamilton.
[3:42:19] All those in favor? Opposed. Care unanimously. And then along with that is section 477 of
[3:42:25] the local government act regarding the financial impacts. Do I have a mover on that? Councillor
[3:42:34] Elias. Seconded by Councillor Plexus. Any comments? All those in favor? Opposed? Matters.
[3:42:42] Carried. Don't lose me now. Folks. Raise those hands. Now we move to the item that was
[3:42:48] the subject of our first public hearing tonight. And I'm going to ask Councillors to handle
[3:42:53] both the bait for item C and D together. And so I'll ask that we move item C and or don't move
[3:43:00] it, but I'd like it to be put on the table. We can debate it. And my understanding from staff
[3:43:05] is that when we get to 14D the language needs to be as amended. So for 14C the language we have
[3:43:12] is fine. Is that correct? Because that's the OCP. So I'm not going to get Dr. Narene about
[3:43:18] whether you're talking a zoning thing or a public hearing thing if you have something to
[3:43:21] see about this. Let's talk about it in 14A. Vote consistently throughout. That's acceptable.
[3:43:27] Do I have a mover for item 14C? I'll move it to put it on the table. And do we have a seconder?
[3:43:34] I'll second it by Councillor Hamilton. I guess I'll first as the mover.
[3:43:43] It's interesting how much time changes things because when the area there was first designated
[3:43:50] as industrial, I was probably the most vocal person in all of the mission. It was one of the compelling
[3:43:56] reasons why I got involved in civic life. Because that was farmland, wetland and agriculture
[3:44:05] reserve land. For me the gate should never have probably been open to that being an industrial
[3:44:11] park many years ago, but such as it is that decision has been made. And then it was subsequently
[3:44:17] expanded by a subsequent council. And those lands have gradually filled with light and medium
[3:44:25] industry as well as heavy industry. And as we heard this evening there are existing facilities
[3:44:32] down there, including ones run by Summit, including a large loading facility and soil is moved
[3:44:38] on and off that location, traveling down Renn Street and down Gil by different applicants.
[3:44:45] And I think that's an important piece of history. I've toured the facility down there.
[3:44:51] And I certainly understand the concerns people have raised about the environment,
[3:44:55] but on the net of it, I am absolutely comfortable that.
[3:45:00] But this particular organization has the dedication to the environment to do it correctly, and it will
[3:45:08] actually be a net benefit to our community environmentally.
[3:45:12] Councillor Gill and I, through our time on the Fraser Valley Regional District, have heard a
[3:45:16] lot about growing issue of illegal jumping, not just in mission, but in all kinds of
[3:45:20] communities around the Fraser Valley. And it's a sorely needed asset, and you heard the
[3:45:26] components talk about the cost of trucking, and, unfortunately, what has happened is that a lot
[3:45:33] of folks are dumping things illegally in mission, and including historic farm on Chester Street
[3:45:39] in Mission, and even the originally some of the land that is now in the Gil area, industrial
[3:45:44] park off-kill. This is a much-needed thing, and I would much rather put it in the hands of a
[3:45:52] well-known partner, and I should point out that some it does work with the city already,
[3:45:56] the already operate facilities for us in our landfill, and I have never seen or heard anything other
[3:46:03] than flattering or endorsing information about their practices.
[3:46:14] The conversation regarding employment was a bit troubling to me this evening. People made light of
[3:46:19] the idea that there were just 14 jobs, or you can throw a rock and find a job, but I think it's
[3:46:26] important to note a couple of things. Economic development to me involves not just living wage jobs or
[3:46:33] careers, and giving people an opportunity to move within an organization. That's that exists here,
[3:46:41] and I think it's an important thing not to move past. 14 jobs that do that compared to 25 or 30 jobs
[3:46:48] that pay a minimum wage living, not building our economy and not providing for families. The amount of
[3:46:55] time people spend in their cars were on fuel, also as a factor in affordability, and so it weighed with
[3:47:02] me to hear people talk about working and living in this area, whether they live in Mission or whether
[3:47:06] they come to Mission and do business here. But the other part of it isn't we heard recently when we
[3:47:11] heard two different analyses about our local industry. Mission is really logistics hub. We talked
[3:47:19] about truck parking. We brought ocean trader here. An ocean trader has got parking for it. We had
[3:47:24] pioneer trader here. We are trucking hub and to me it's a resonating thing. The idea that when you give
[3:47:32] people a destination in your community to which these materials can be trucked both to and from
[3:47:39] you're stimulating the trucking and logistics industry. You're stimulating the construction
[3:47:43] image industry and you're taking trucks that would otherwise need to be extracting in state falls
[3:47:50] and steelhead and having them utilize the material efficiently. For me it's more than 14 jobs. The 14 jobs
[3:47:59] are important on their own rate, but for me it's more than 14 jobs and it definitely is an economic stimulus.
[3:48:09] I also think it's absolutely accurate that a lot of the soil that we have in our community that
[3:48:14] will ultimately need to be used for construction anywhere on the flat. So the waterfront is for example
[3:48:22] is contaminated soil in areas. So where I live for example there's a mill site along the forest shore.
[3:48:29] There are areas in the sub-nil forest shore that are all contaminated. There's areas along
[3:48:34] hayward street that are contaminated and having a local solution keeps trucks from traveling further
[3:48:40] and makes things affordable. I'd rather have been here. One of the things that somebody a few
[3:48:46] folks said tonight is, is this what we want people to see when they come into mission? It's an interesting
[3:48:52] question. First of all I think folks probably should appreciate the fact that these operations have been
[3:48:58] working in this area for many years. And yet we haven't heard anything about it until there's been
[3:49:04] a desire to expand, but the site has been effectively screened. The site has been effectively
[3:49:09] pre-loaded and yes it is, a perfect example of what I think mission does well. If there's an opportunity
[3:49:18] for this land to yield a higher and better use I know that that will happen. It's not like this building
[3:49:25] this property is being covered with a development that doesn't have any other use or cannot be
[3:49:34] added to. If there is a way to turn this into something else down the line that is a more profitable return
[3:49:39] that has more jobs, I certainly will have it. That's the great thing about this. There's nothing here
[3:49:44] that can't be removed or built upon easily. So at the end of the day for me, when I look at the business
[3:49:52] case, this is an environmental win, an employment and economic development win. And in terms of the
[3:49:58] conversation about trucks, noise, light, it actually reduces the amount of time that people will be on
[3:50:04] civic roads. The thing that with hark into the most this evening is this is not the right location.
[3:50:11] And I think about what happened when we talked about K-bar. And the same thing is having we talked about
[3:50:16] gravel pits. Those are the worst locations because every single truck is driving past a residential
[3:50:23] or through a residential neighborhood, driving past schools, daycare, community centers, leisure centers.
[3:50:30] And driving on historic old roads here, we're using provincial infrastructure and we go down a road that
[3:50:37] has an RCMP station in one commercial tenant for 150 meters. It'll actually reduce the amount
[3:50:44] on the other side of the street. For me, I'm interested in us and I would be open to the idea if we
[3:50:50] need a third reading report to have certain things entrenched, like ensuring that the TIA is completed
[3:50:56] or ensuring that the wheel wash is a condition of this. The hours can be stipulated at that's an issue.
[3:51:04] But from the servicing question was raised. But to me, I think staff are answering those questions
[3:51:09] effectively along the way. Those can be conditions of adoption. And I am comfortable that this
[3:51:15] achieves many of the aims that we have in our strategic plan as well as in our, as well as in our
[3:51:23] economic plans along the way. Councilor Elias, I have you next and I've got councilor Harar,
[3:51:30] I'm a councilor Hamilton. Thank you Mayor Horan. This is a really tough one. First off, I just want to say
[3:51:38] that someone I understand and see you as a very reputable company and that's a very ethical company
[3:51:46] in the community. And so the good work that you do, I do see that. And so, however, the role of council
[3:51:55] is to look at land use. And this is definitely a huge land use decision that needs to be
[3:52:01] decided on. And so when I knew that I was going to come up and sit here, I've had several conversations
[3:52:06] with you. I've driven the site. I've gone down there. I've spoken to businesses. I've really
[3:52:10] done my homework on this one. As well, I tried to not have anybody else because I actually live
[3:52:16] right up on rent. And so when you want to talk about noise impact and you want to talk about dust
[3:52:22] impact and all that stuff, absolutely, we hear everything. Absolutely everything. So I also look at the
[3:52:27] community of rent and raven and all those apartments. And I see the impact and negative impact that
[3:52:35] this facility could potentially have in the area. And that also weighs on me. And so, as well,
[3:52:43] I look at all of our street and I look at the cars that are there. And I try to visualize a dump truck
[3:52:48] going this way and a dump truck coming this way and it just doesn't work without it being congested,
[3:52:55] without they're being some sort of safety things at risk. Now, the RCMP right now may say that they're
[3:53:03] okay with it and then they get into it. And if we have the same effect that's happened to the
[3:53:09] many businesses that I spoke to on Gail, aside from JBS and Lacey, they were very vocal. But there
[3:53:16] was a lot that weren't vocal that also had a lot of concerns as well. And so I have to look at,
[3:53:22] okay, what's going to be the best line use for that area? What you guys do is is amazing and is needed.
[3:53:29] I just don't think it's in the right location. I feel that the safety measures that are in place
[3:53:36] that are not in place is a huge deal. The truck, the increase of truck traffic, the increase of truck
[3:53:42] traffic, yes it's easy because you're coming off of low heat going right down all over. But that whole
[3:53:47] intersection there will be impacted and it's already congested intersection that doesn't have the
[3:53:55] greatest signaling already. And I just feel that this is going to be an issue. I worry about
[3:54:01] the emergency vehicles not being able to get out for proper access because of the trucks coming and
[3:54:06] going what that may look like. I also, you know, I appreciate your your your staff and
[3:54:15] everybody that spoke in favor of this, but you know, there is bias there. Some of them a lot of them work
[3:54:20] for you guys and they don't actually live in the community. And when you work and live in the
[3:54:27] community, yes, there's great benefit to it. But when you're actually living in this community and
[3:54:32] and something like this comes and really negatively affects you, it's bad for your mental health.
[3:54:40] I mean, it's just, it's just bad. I look at the industries that are thriving in our community
[3:54:47] and I look at the opportunities of what industry could be there. And I just don't feel that this
[3:54:52] is it. And that's why I henceed I asked if there was other locations that this could be looked at.
[3:54:59] Because I think the concept of what you're trying to do is very, very valuable. And I think it's
[3:55:05] extremely important to do because you're right. There is a lot of illegal dumping of contaminated soil
[3:55:11] and it has been an issue, especially in Deroche. So I understand that. But now I'm faced with the
[3:55:18] decision for a land use. What is going to be the best decision for land use? And we can argue all
[3:55:24] day long that this was put in for industry and industrial and what's what's good industry and what's
[3:55:33] bad industry. We can have lots of debate about this. But at the end of the day, I really do, I do have
[3:55:40] huge concerns in regards to the whole operation and the impact to the community. Then I think about,
[3:55:48] well, what happens if we say, let's put this by the landfill? What impact is going to have on our roads
[3:55:54] for all those trucks going up and down? So it's really, honestly, there's no right around answer here.
[3:56:01] There's going to be impact wherever it is. But I just feel that this, this, this parcel of land is not
[3:56:08] the correct parcel of land. And so because of the negative impacts are outwing the positive outcomes.
[3:56:14] Unfortunately, I can't support this application. Thank you. Right now, my speaker's list is
[3:56:20] Councillor Hamilton, Harar Plexus, Councillor Gillen, Councillor Davies, do you wish to speak?
[3:56:29] Well, I'm just asking whether you wish to speak after Councillor Plexus.
[3:56:42] So, and even Councillor Hamilton. Yeah, thank you, Mayor Haran. So I did listen intently to the feedback
[3:56:48] both for and against this product, this opportunity. And the company has assured us that they have,
[3:56:56] they will mitigate the dust, the noise, the light pollution, et cetera. So, until we actually see it
[3:57:02] in full operation, we don't know what those risks are going to be. And so I have one question about the trucks.
[3:57:09] Are they tandem or single trucks? I'm unfortunately not able to ask any more of questions of the applicant,
[3:57:15] but staff may have further information. Unfortunately, we can't receive any more information from the applicant.
[3:57:22] The staff have an answer to that question. Ms. Paypal. Ms. Ms. Tum.
[3:57:29] Be a mix. We'll be a mix, okay, thank you. So, and you know, we've always, we've always said when we've
[3:57:36] done our strategic plan about expanding our industrial base for the tax, take some of the tax load off
[3:57:42] the residential tax base so that we'll do help with that. And I'm, you know, what I'm willing to
[3:57:49] give the company the opportunity. And I wonder if we can build in there somewhere that we have a report
[3:57:54] back in, you know, six months or a year of time to see how the operations is going if it is passed.
[3:58:00] Okay, thank you. I think, depending on how things go through, there is a potential and I'll turn to staff
[3:58:06] on this to ask for conditions of adoption, and that may be one of them. Counts are her are.
[3:58:13] Thank you, Mayor Horde. Yeah, what's been a long evening. So, when this application first came before
[3:58:21] us last August, I initially voted against the proposal. When it returned in November with additional
[3:58:27] information, I supported moving it forward to a public hearing. So, we can hear directly from the community.
[3:58:34] After weighing the feedback here tonight and considering the pros and cons, the one consistent theme
[3:58:40] in the correspondents is a location in the traffic flow onto all of our street, where our
[3:58:44] SIMP situation is located. That was my initial concern when I voted against it in August and I've
[3:58:51] come to the same conclusion again. I will not be respectfully supporting this application due to those
[3:58:57] same reasons amongst other things like environmental impacts. And attachment A, it states the traffic
[3:59:03] from the Silverdale Industrial Park on Gill Avenue will be redirected through all of our street
[3:59:08] to the new facility. The question remains is whether this is included in the estimated 100 truck truck
[3:59:16] 100 100 trucks per day or if this represents additional truck movements on top of that number.
[3:59:24] Without a traffic assessment, impact assessment, I and I understand that it will be coming later
[3:59:30] when this application was forward. It is difficult to determine the full impact. There are many positive
[3:59:35] aspects to this proposal and I recognize the value it brings. However, with a current location
[3:59:40] and access constraints, there are simply more variables that could go wrong. I worry about the level of
[3:59:46] risk, particularly when it comes to traffic flow, emergency access and overall public safety.
[3:59:52] I know the RCP, RCP raised similar concerns about this proposed location and the potential traffic flow.
[3:59:58] I share those concerns.
[4:00:00] We're checking to give you the narrow road access with street parking. We need to be cautious and mindful about
[4:00:05] creating any roadblocks when it comes to public safety and access for first responders.
[4:00:11] Excuse me. As report indicates, these facilities are needed. And there's a shortage across the province,
[4:00:19] however, in my final analysis. This is a good project in the wrong location. Thank you.
[4:00:25] Thank you. Councillor Plexus.
[4:00:27] Okay. Thank you. Yeah. I do appreciate everybody's spoken.
[4:00:31] I realized the first part of this thing is to look into the redess evasion for commercial
[4:00:38] to industrial. And I was a bit challenged by that. In light of the fact that we were just recently
[4:00:45] and we had staff come to us. The guys give us an important update on our low heat highway
[4:00:49] corridor and neighborhood planning process. And as I thought through that exercise, I began to
[4:00:54] realize that we talked at one point at looking at anything that might be light clean
[4:01:00] industry along that corridor, as well as new development mission, simply because we were trying
[4:01:06] to be green as possible. So I was challenged in that one aspect. But I do want to say and going
[4:01:12] over all the comments received by all of the people tonight. I think there's over 30 people
[4:01:18] spoke tonight. Was that the people that spoke for and most of them were associated with
[4:01:24] the company involved. They were very dedicated to the work they do. And they gave great testimonials
[4:01:31] about the project. And obviously it was indicated that the work is needed in this community.
[4:01:37] So cleaning needs to be done. There simply is a lot of sole contaminants. And as we developed
[4:01:44] the community, there's going to be a greater need for it. I don't know that the problem
[4:01:51] that I struggled with when I looked at this was, I wasn't looking at my notes here, but there was,
[4:01:54] yeah, those that spoke for and I want to speak to that first, was they spoke about their past history
[4:02:03] work with the Ministry of Environment and the approval process and they had a good relationship with
[4:02:07] the Ministry of Environment. They indicated it was an ideal location to them. It made a lot of sense
[4:02:12] to show distance from Oliver from the location to rate to the low heat. I was a high recorder
[4:02:17] or four lanes. It could simply move the trucks that a lot quicker and not having to go through residential
[4:02:22] streets. Those kind of things are important. I is indicated by the employer through his people,
[4:02:30] but they're responsible employer in dealing with the environmental issues. I guess when I listen to
[4:02:36] all of the people that spoke oppose to it. And obviously one of the things that stuck out of course
[4:02:41] was location being proximity to the downtown or not we call our urban core. And we look at the
[4:02:48] future, urban core is going to develop out even more with the development of the West, the Silverdale
[4:02:55] Highlands there, when polygons get started, there will be a lot more development on the corridor. Mostly
[4:03:01] will be either residential, retail, or commercial, and that will create an increase in traffic flow
[4:03:08] concerning because I think that one looks at that kind of thing and says to themselves,
[4:03:13] you know, is that kind of truck traffic you want in your urban core? The frequency, the truck traffic,
[4:03:19] that number trucks traveling along the highway in the proximity of highly trafficked residents of
[4:03:26] core where a lot of people are using the low heat corridor to get to the grocery stores to get to
[4:03:31] onto the bridge and that. A lot more traffic right now is the seat of all the connectors quite busy we all
[4:03:36] know. So those are some of the challenge I was challenged by. I was mostly challenged, you know,
[4:03:45] listening to the issue I understand the environment and I understand that I read through the
[4:03:49] article times and I thought, yeah, maybe they'll make this work, I'm sure they've done it in the past,
[4:03:54] they're working with the ministry and the city is going to work with it until they get those final approval
[4:03:59] processes. And certainly have indicated, one of the questions I had was the trucks leaving the site
[4:04:06] by the RCMP station, would they be able to have enough space and time to get to the low heat
[4:04:10] highway corridor? I guess there's two things or three things that bother me. Number one is that this is
[4:04:17] in an urban core environment and it doesn't really belong here. Number one, it doesn't belong right next to
[4:04:22] your growthing, both residential and retail. It just seems like a great need in our community. I would
[4:04:30] like to see it's finding another location, but that's not probable right now. And as mentioned
[4:04:35] by a couple of people, why isn't it in an exhaust gravel pit or up down by the dump site as possibilities,
[4:04:41] but indicated again by members, the team from the company was that it would attract the travel
[4:04:49] greater distance. But the one thing that stuck out to me and what's really concerned to me and it's nothing
[4:04:53] to do with this particular company is the safety of trucks on the road. Recently, last week there was an
[4:05:00] article in the Vancouver Sun. They did an article and it indicated that at 54% I think 54% of
[4:05:07] the trucks on the road are unsafe. Most of them are dump trucks. Even a lot of that is because the company
[4:05:13] people, the people who drive no trucks are not taken the right step to protect their vehicles to make
[4:05:18] sure the safety of the residents on the street. I cringe when I go down 16th Avenue, Louis,
[4:05:23] highway, the freeway with truck traffic, double tandem dump trucks. Simply you know, it's like
[4:05:29] playing Russian with live. I'm sorry to say that, but that is concerned to me. And I really think that
[4:05:34] you have that volume of trucks in that congested area. There's more than likely this can be a challenge,
[4:05:39] not do the fault of yours, but simply because truck traffic isn't really safe. And if we can avoid it in
[4:05:45] an urban car, we should do it all cost. You know, there are signs that say you mustn't use your brakes and all
[4:05:50] kind of thing, but I'm really challenged by that. I understand, I hear a good company, but this isn't
[4:05:55] the best location for something like this. Council, thank you, Councillor Plexus, Councillor Davies.
[4:06:05] Thank you, thank you to all the residents that came out tonight, both for and against and to the applicant
[4:06:11] for bringing this proposal. You know, I don't think there's any real argument that we don't need
[4:06:19] a facility like this in mission. The ability to remediate, you know, contaminated at soil is
[4:06:29] simply a must have, and it's not just mission that needs it, but probably a lot more community as well.
[4:06:36] But I'm not convinced that people who are legally dumping today are going to change the behavior,
[4:06:40] because there's now a pay option for them to use. We see that at the landfill all the time where,
[4:06:46] you know, it's relatively cheap to dump, and those still find ways to put it in a dish somewhere.
[4:06:52] Some of what Council was told tonight, especially with regards to the environmental portion and the
[4:06:57] invasive 4,000 meters of brush removal. According to the report, it wasn't really corporate benefit,
[4:07:04] but a compensation plan from the Ministry of Forests, because of a aquatic habitat loss, and that's
[4:07:11] indicated on page 27 of our package. That part is concerning to me. I did not hear today a guarantee
[4:07:19] about how traffic and conditions along the yellow-animal cavity will be managed and improved,
[4:07:25] and I would really need to be able to understand that and to really have comfort in that level.
[4:07:33] The report states it's up to 14 jobs, but not a minimum level of jobs, which is another
[4:07:39] concerning metric for me. I don't see a proper delineation between RCMP and truck traffic.
[4:07:46] I think that needs to be there in a road plan that says, in the event of emergency, RCMP has guaranteed
[4:07:52] access out regardless of whether there's 0, 1, or 50 in trucks that happen to be in a lineup at that point in time.
[4:08:00] I feel the applicant needs to learn to communicate better with their neighbors and the overall neighborhood.
[4:08:06] I was really concerned that, here we are with a relatively small industrial park,
[4:08:11] that there just wasn't a level of support for other companies that are also in industry.
[4:08:18] The public says over and over that industry should be on the low heat, and I do agree with it.
[4:08:26] Calling at the core of the city is not necessarily the right term, because as we encounter,
[4:08:32] so no, and enough, no master plans indicate that this city is going to grow a lot over the next 40 years,
[4:08:39] and what people see as the core today is going to change over the next 40 years.
[4:08:45] Truck safety on guilt, absolutely needs to be better. It's not a safe road. I spent enough time
[4:08:51] on watching the dump trucks, tandem trucks going past, to realize it's not sufficient for your business's needs.
[4:08:58] With the parking that's on both sides, it is a very compressed spot. It's a single lane road
[4:09:05] with a tandem dump truck going by. The trees and foliage next to the business are being heavily impacted by
[4:09:12] the business by these trucks going past, and it would be significantly better for this project if it could have
[4:09:21] been accessed directly off of the highway itself. There was a few things as well in this application,
[4:09:26] that really stuck out to me. Things that really should have mattered. Sound, noise, light, all measurable
[4:09:33] aspects. If there's the chance that, you know, and we had some people from Ren and Raven tonight,
[4:09:41] that were concerned. If they could have been told that we did noise measurements, and we know that at
[4:09:47] this location, you cannot hear us. You cannot see us. That would have been a great aspect and a great
[4:09:53] part of this report to come forward. For example, what's the impact of dust and soil on the RCMP
[4:09:59] helipad there? I don't know. It's things that really need to be considered. It's a great project. I'm not sure
[4:10:07] if it's in the right spot, like the rest of Council, but I don't think I'm ready to support it. I'm not saying
[4:10:13] nope, but I can't move forward. Just for clarification from staff, there isn't really, I guess the
[4:10:22] position of not ready to go forward could be a third reading report as an alternative. Is that correct?
[4:10:28] So, procedurally, the remotion on the floor right now is for a third reading. If it fails, then a motion
[4:10:37] could be made for a third reading report. Is that correct? Or a person could articulate that they want
[4:10:43] a third reading report and the motion could be withdrawn by me, which I'd be able to, I'd be happy to
[4:10:49] do this. To defer to the third reading, pending a third reading report. So, I'll check back with your
[4:10:57] council or in terms of whether you want to do that procedurally or anybody else does? Councilor Gil?
[4:11:04] Thank you, Mayor Horan. I do want to say, and once again, thank you to everyone that has participated in this
[4:11:12] and thank you to my colleagues. I've enjoyed the discussion and I think as the ownership and management
[4:11:19] of Summit, you know, sitting in front of us, I think one thing is you should definitely be proud of
[4:11:23] your guys' staff. As a business owner, you know, to have that many members of your staff speak such highly
[4:11:29] of you. You know, that's very, you know, my hands are up to you guys and credit goes to you guys.
[4:11:37] I understand the desire to expand industrial activity and, you know, being at the table at the phrase of
[4:11:42] a regional district. This is something we hear all the time about is about dumping and, you know,
[4:11:48] how properties are being purchased in the ALR and being used as dump sites. But I think just listening to
[4:11:56] my colleagues and even for colleagues up here, you know, that it was, you know, concerns of it.
[4:12:02] I think the common theme is the wrong approach. I think we've received over the weekend a number of
[4:12:09] emails and concerns and some of you can share directly with the management, but I think the common
[4:12:17] theme is all the business owners are saying how this is going to impact their businesses and how it's
[4:12:22] going to impact the neighboring businesses. And my concern is by approving or moving forward with this,
[4:12:30] it's going to send the wrong message to those businesses. We want to see business grow, but we also
[4:12:36] got to protect the existing business that we have in that area. You know, I know one comment has made is
[4:12:42] this is the long, long, long location. I'm not sure if I really buy that because, you know, where a gravel
[4:12:48] sits site sit is up in steelhead or up in state falls and I don't want to see that kind of heavy industrial
[4:12:55] activity up there rolling past that many schools own that many residential zones. But I think what, you know,
[4:13:02] I would say to, I guess, the company is really go back and work with the neighborhood and really show
[4:13:11] case that you guys can be good neighbors. Because I don't blame them for coming out in raising concerns.
[4:13:17] I know some of the emails we got were just some of the by-law infractions or concerns about,
[4:13:23] you know, the by-law is being broken and, you know, it's to ask council to expand on the sites and
[4:13:30] still have so much opposition from the neighborhood is, you know, is very concerning and I think
[4:13:36] are proving this or are sending this further would just send the wrong message. Thank you. So we have a couple
[4:13:42] of options. I'll turn to council for Davies and anybody else can say this if they wish to. We're going
[4:13:46] to move forward with the moved and seconded motion, which is for third reading or we can defer to pending
[4:13:53] a third reading report, which might include completion of the TIA, clarification of the operating
[4:13:59] hours, servicing requirements, requirement of the wheel watch. These are just notes I took during the
[4:14:05] time. Evidence of the RCMP agreement and councilor Gillie wanted to evidence of neighbor to neighbor
[4:14:12] mediation. So councilor Davies do you want to move a deferral on those bases or would you like to just
[4:14:18] deal with this evening, what's your preference? I would move a motion to defer it.
[4:14:24] One of the conversations I had, the comment was we don't want to kill it, but we can't grow it in
[4:14:32] the way it is right now. So I will move to defer it with the seconded deferral. I'll just say that I think
[4:14:39] one of the things that is repeatedly coming up and I would ask that it be part of the TIA if the motion
[4:14:44] to defer goes forward is this conversation about trucks being limited downtown and on the downtown
[4:14:50] core. I'm not convinced that this does anything if it's defeated, to decrease trucks on the downtown
[4:14:57] core. The truck is going from, do we?
[4:15:00] So, for me, I'm supportive of the idea that if we need to have the answers to these questions, again, they were, and others may have others to add, completion of the TIA, including the question I've had regarding impact on the roads.
[4:15:24] I was of operation, servicing, specifically the pipes and any construction needed.
[4:15:34] We'll wash. I did have a question regarding a herd of questions from Councilor Elias regarding the width of the road on Oliver, whether it was an issue there. I actually, I think that road is fairly wide, but it'd be good to have an answer.
[4:15:48] And what the RCMP is agreed to. I also support it with those things Councilor Elias.
[4:15:54] Thank you, Mayor Horn. So, here's my thing. So, we're going to ask them to do all of this and spend all this money, but it's still a poor location and still in the bath and a bath spot.
[4:16:08] My decision of the business of itself, I think is viable and needed is just the location. I cannot support any application that's going to come through with that location of this type of business.
[4:16:23] And so, I worry about this deferral of costing the business owners a whole bunch of money, and this has happened before.
[4:16:31] And then they come back to Council and they've spent a ton of money on studies and everything else, and we've still turned it down.
[4:16:39] So, let's not waste anybody's time here or money, and if it's the location that is the issue, they make the decision based on the land use for the location.
[4:16:48] Yeah, and I think that's the question we want to make sure if you're voting in favor of a third reading report that it has a meaningful opportunity to affect your decision.
[4:16:57] I think the questions being asked here do involve things related to that location, such as whether traffic is going to be as impacted, what are the things that we can do.
[4:17:06] So, but I would agree that if I think the thing takes care of itself, if you know where you are right now, then you don't vote in favor of deferral.
[4:17:13] If you haven't made up your mind and you believe that more information could influence you to make a more false and discussion, our decision should say.
[4:17:22] I would hope you would vote in favor of it, but I agree.
[4:17:25] Councillor Dave, Gilles, I should say, do you have anything to say?
[4:17:30] Thank you, Mayor Horan. I guess my comment is just deferrals.
[4:17:33] I'd rather just make a decision and I know even if an application dies, the applicant can bring it back after a year or a year or so.
[4:17:43] That accurate in this circumstance and also the second question that happens that if the OCP amendment doesn't pass, then the zoning doesn't proceed either because you need the first the OCP right.
[4:17:55] Anybody else wish to comment on the deferral.
[4:17:58] Okay, so the deferral and if the deferral is defeated, then we vote on the original motion.
[4:18:03] So, if this is just on the deferral with those conditions to let me back in third reading report, Councillor Davies.
[4:18:09] Then when we put a timeline on this deferral, is this staff, what's the reasonable timeline to get that information?
[4:18:21] I think it would depend on what the list of things that were directed to report back on, how long it would take.
[4:18:28] I'll go to the list again. First of it was completion of the TIA, which I understood there was some question, but whether it was completed, including how defeating this would impact.
[4:18:41] Truck traffic, in other words, what a different location of less hours of operation.
[4:18:47] Serviceing needs.
[4:18:49] Like for example, the question on the servicing needs is to verify who pays when is that servicing needed.
[4:18:55] The wheel wash to guarantee that it would be there and the agreement with the RCMP in terms of the questions around backing up and so forth.
[4:19:02] I think things like the cross hatching of the road there and so forth, we've been part of that.
[4:19:07] I don't think it captures all of it.
[4:19:09] And Councillor Gill had mentioned the neighbor to neighbor portion.
[4:19:11] That's going to take time.
[4:19:14] It's going to take time to have conversation with neighbors and say, how can we make things better?
[4:19:18] I'm not sure how we do that right.
[4:19:20] Frankly, in a reasonable period of time, as well as things are measurements.
[4:19:24] If you're going to reduce the traffic on Gill Avenue, how much?
[4:19:27] That's a number that should have been here today, and it didn't come here today.
[4:19:31] I think it's part of the TIA question. Well, I think what I would say to that Councillor Gill, our Councillor Davies, I'm sorry,
[4:19:36] is anything less than a year is faster than what the applicant would experience otherwise.
[4:19:44] So I don't know if we need to put a timeline on it and to Councillor Elias,
[4:19:49] if the applicant feels there's not much value in doing this, then they can simply hold it in advance or not proceed.
[4:19:56] So that's the other thing I would point out.
[4:19:58] They've been able to hear the conversation.
[4:20:02] So the deferral is the item on the table, and I'll call the question on that.
[4:20:06] We'll see what happens if there's a fall on both on the other original motion.
[4:20:11] All those in favor of deferral.
[4:20:13] Opposed.
[4:20:14] The matter is defeated.
[4:20:16] On the original motion for third reading, all those in favor.
[4:20:21] Opposed.
[4:20:22] The matter is defeated by a potentified two with Councillor Hamilton and myself in support.
[4:20:29] And so that brings us to, we do not deal with item 14D because that was the zoning amending.
[4:20:39] And we've become to 14E, which is the zoning amending by law.
[4:20:44] 6422, 2026, 5949, 2004.
[4:20:48] For third reading for the shared, common indoor space to have a mover for that one.
[4:20:53] Councillor Elias, seconded by Councillor Davies.
[4:20:56] Any comments or questions?
[4:20:58] Seeing none.
[4:20:59] All those in favor?
[4:21:00] Opposed.
[4:21:01] It's carried unanimously.
[4:21:03] Next is the adoption of the zoning amending by law regarding the permitted use of adulter
[4:21:07] entertainment establishments, moved by Councillor Davies.
[4:21:10] Seconded by Councillor Hamilton did I see?
[4:21:13] Any comments?
[4:21:14] There's no comments in adoption.
[4:21:16] All those in favor?
[4:21:17] Opposed?
[4:21:18] It's carried unanimously.
[4:21:20] Thank you.
[4:21:21] And then fire prevention amending by law.
[4:21:25] For this is the risk-based that we had a few weeks ago.
[4:21:31] Is that correct?
[4:21:32] Mr. Unie?
[4:21:33] This is the risk-based assessment.
[4:21:35] Now, move her please for adoption.
[4:21:37] Councillor Davies, seconded by Councillor Gill.
[4:21:41] All those in favor?
[4:21:43] Opposed?
[4:21:44] It's carried unanimously.
[4:21:46] That ends our bylaws.
[4:21:47] We have correspondence just here following a meeting I had with just one from the National Police Federation.
[4:21:54] As a product of that meeting, I asked him to co-late some of the information and send it to Council.
[4:21:59] So that's what you have here.
[4:22:01] I have no comments on it, but if others wish to, they can.
[4:22:05] Seeing none, we have Council member updates.
[4:22:09] I will go through and ask you if you wish to give one.
[4:22:12] I realize it's been a long night, but I have Councillor Hurard to start us off.
[4:22:16] Thank you, Mayor Horn.
[4:22:17] I just have one update.
[4:22:19] I've got a chance to give opening remarks to the Firesmart event at Gordon Creek there a week and a half ago, and it was well attended.
[4:22:27] There's what's 60 or 70 people from all over mainland helping out with wildlife wildlife.
[4:22:34] Yeah.
[4:22:35] Thank you very much.
[4:22:36] Councillor Davies, anything to report?
[4:22:38] I think we had the groundbreaking event at Mission Secondary School.
[4:22:40] That was really exciting.
[4:22:42] Congratulations to the community.
[4:22:44] Thank you.
[4:22:45] Councillor Plexus?
[4:22:46] I'll just highlight a couple things.
[4:22:47] I attended the food support.
[4:22:49] It's symposium and Mission Secondary.
[4:22:51] It's important.
[4:22:52] It's a well organized event.
[4:22:54] I want to thank the Mayor and the committee for organizing that event.
[4:22:58] And we have some great speakers and they looked at regional collaboration.
[4:23:01] A lot of ideas shared around the table.
[4:23:03] Also attended the Housing Workshop.
[4:23:05] It was the Mayor.
[4:23:06] We'll speak to.
[4:23:07] We had a whole central, a lot of good ideas.
[4:23:09] There are a lot of people excited about opportunities.
[4:23:11] Moving forward.
[4:23:12] Even though we don't see funding come from BC housing at this point in time.
[4:23:15] But a lot of ideas were shared around the table.
[4:23:17] I think there's some good thing.
[4:23:19] Some synergy there.
[4:23:20] Energy there.
[4:23:21] Other than that, I attended Mission Community Services Workshop.
[4:23:24] We did a board.
[4:23:25] We did a tour of Riverside Housing project.
[4:23:27] And it went to the play the Hobbit play.
[4:23:29] And it's a very excellent play of a young people in our community.
[4:23:32] She was eliminated.
[4:23:33] And other than that.
[4:23:34] That's it.
[4:23:35] I hope to have over the walk.
[4:23:36] I want to walk.
[4:23:37] Yeah.
[4:23:38] More than the cafeteria.
[4:23:39] And the symposium and the cafeteria.
[4:23:41] Councillor Gill.
[4:23:44] Thank you, Mayor Horn.
[4:23:45] Just in the sake of time.
[4:23:46] I'll make it quick.
[4:23:47] I did have a chance to attend with Councillor Lies.
[4:23:49] Thank you for the invite to the Rodden Garden Club.
[4:23:52] And there was a presentation on a really a call of action.
[4:23:58] And I guess the federal government, sorry, is thinking about
[4:24:03] funding or banning recreation fishing in the freezer.
[4:24:09] So I would recommend that folks kind of get engaged.
[4:24:12] And speak to their federal reps.
[4:24:16] Thank you.
[4:24:17] Councillor Hamilton.
[4:24:18] Thank you, Mayor Horn.
[4:24:19] I'll just highlight the mission foundation.
[4:24:22] As people probably know, they did receive a nice big weakment from the
[4:24:26] Heaps and staff fund.
[4:24:27] They received the final payment of that recently of almost $500,000.
[4:24:32] And that puts the foundation at about $13.5 million.
[4:24:36] People probably know that Jamie Hayes, who is the executive director of the
[4:24:40] foundation, resigned to move on to another opportunity.
[4:24:45] So there will be a call out for a new executive assistant.
[4:24:50] And the scholarships are interviews will be coming up May 6 to 8.
[4:24:54] There are scholarships for 19 plus students.
[4:24:58] So students in their second and third year or more can apply.
[4:25:02] It will be capped at 40 for the adult scholarships.
[4:25:06] Interviews will be for May 6 to the 8th.
[4:25:09] The window is open from March the 9th to April the 10th to get your application in.
[4:25:15] Thank you.
[4:25:16] Can I also rely?
[4:25:17] Yeah, thank you.
[4:25:18] I won't repeat.
[4:25:19] Everybody what they've all attended except for the business excellence awards.
[4:25:23] So congratulations to all the nominees for all the businesses in mission.
[4:25:29] It was great to see so many young new business owners and entrepreneurs.
[4:25:34] And small businesses in mission are, what did they say?
[4:25:38] We've got the largest amount of small businesses in mission operating out of the valley.
[4:25:44] So that was very interesting and just congratulations to them all.
[4:25:47] So thank you.
[4:25:48] Thank you.
[4:25:49] I attended the Urban Development Institute's Fraser Valley forecast last week.
[4:25:53] And got to hear from the industry.
[4:25:57] They were very cautiously optimistic that things are starting to improve in the,
[4:26:02] of portable housing or in the housing market in general in particular in the missing middle.
[4:26:07] They were pretty critical of many municipalities in their processes and policies and how they've impacted affordability.
[4:26:17] And in particular, those in Metro Vancouver, but they were actually quite complimentary of mission.
[4:26:25] And they specifically talked about our fast track program and the work we're doing.
[4:26:29] So that was reinforcing.
[4:26:31] The Symposium Councilor Plexus spoke up.
[4:26:34] We'll lead to further conversations and I'll include it in my one to one meetings with counselors.
[4:26:39] But one of the things I anticipate is that you'll see and hear as we move into the election.
[4:26:45] More and more effort to think about the food industry as an economic development opportunity and of opportunity and increased food security and food sovereignty.
[4:26:53] And that was a common theme.
[4:26:55] So we started to go beyond this idea of we need more food banks and we need more starfishes.
[4:27:00] And we need really what we need is to have an integrated food system here that provides for employment as well.
[4:27:07] I met today with CPC, I'll pill counselors in more, but our issues related to the unhoused encampments are no longer just shaping up to be issues along our street fronts.
[4:27:20] But the leading to fatalities and near misses behind the malls and the areas that are out of our day to day vision.
[4:27:28] But people are passing away and CPC is explained to us that this is a significant concern.
[4:27:34] And detailed that not only is it obviously harming the individuals that are being hit or at risk by trains, but significantly affecting.
[4:27:46] The people who work on those trains and having major impacts on them.
[4:27:50] And so it really reflected the need for us to have a coordinated approach.
[4:27:53] And I talked to them as you may know they have their own police department about working with our coordinated team.
[4:27:58] And I was happy to hear they're doing that.
[4:28:00] How is the planning session?
[4:28:02] Excuse me, I'll fill in council more later on.
[4:28:05] Councillor Plexus is right that there was no specific money brought to the table, but there was definitely, especially on the two pieces of property that the city of Mission has some.
[4:28:13] Divine over some interest in moving forward.
[4:28:15] I'll explain further on that, but I think those tables were activated and we also had enrollment from Parkside Church.
[4:28:23] And they also were a major partner that day.
[4:28:27] And this note of the year was a big success.
[4:28:29] So thank you for being there, Councillor Plexus and Councillor Gill.
[4:28:33] I did notice that Councillor Gill cheated on the route and went wrong way and he blamed it on his baby.
[4:28:39] And it was really, it was one of the lowest moments of my week.
[4:28:43] Economic development advisory committee met and you'll be seeing some resolutions from them.
[4:28:48] But essentially they suggested that they wind down and ask council to address economic development in other future plans.
[4:28:56] And lastly, I'll remind the public that tomorrow, as if we haven't had a long enough night, tonight, precarious is happening at the Clark theater.
[4:29:04] And I'll just welcome people to go and participate in peer recognition and learn about that.
[4:29:09] That event is a great event.
[4:29:11] It's always unfortunate that the only people who go are people who are one fortunately lived with the imminent impact of substance use in their lives,
[4:29:20] whether it's as a family member or as an individual who's using.
[4:29:24] And it really is very apparent when you go and sit there and listen that this is a topic that should be of interest to everybody in their community,
[4:29:32] especially if you want to make sure that you're thinking about how to keep your kids living well and clean.
[4:29:37] So please go and participate in that the Clark.
[4:29:40] Is it six o'clock?
[4:29:43] Thank you.
[4:29:44] Thank you.
[4:29:45] Okay, and with that, I'll move to question period from members of the public and any item for the agenda with the exception of the two public hearings, which we cannot speak to any further.
[4:29:55] Is anybody wishes to come to the microphone?
[4:29:58] I have a speaking suspicion.
[4:30:00] The only reason there's anybody here right now is their legs have stopped circulating blood. So with that, I'll call for a motion to adjourn, Councillor Davis, seconded by Councillor Hurrah, all those in favour?
[4:30:11] Opposed?