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fabulous good evening everyone and
welcome

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to the first of our two public meetings
on tomahawk sbc

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i first and foremost want to thank all
of you for coming here on this

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balmy summer evening obviously
lots of different things as yet another

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different thing i
assure you i've never done a meeting

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like this in my ski coat
and probably you all haven't been in one

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of these either but thank you all for
coming one of the things that makes our

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community really special is people's
willingness to engage

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in conversation about topics and come
help us figure out solutions and so this

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is yet another example and so you all
being willing to spend an hour and a

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half of your evening out here tonight
is a great example of that so i also

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want to thank
lisa creighton hendrix and the committee

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and the staff that helped put this all
together

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so we started this journey a little over
a year ago she agreed to take it on and

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they put in a tremendous amount of work
to take a look i am a huge believer in

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what i call proactive decision making
and so sometimes i was asked why did we

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do this what if we're not going to do
anything

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well we might not do anything different
but i'd like to make that decision

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proactively as opposed to just falling
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why did we do that well that's how we
had done it before and so if we make an

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informed decision to do nothing
different that's just fine

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we'll have done so in an informed way
which is great

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so as most of you know i'm david dickey
i'm the mayor

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and we're here tonight to talk about
tomahawk road sbc safety beauty and

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connectivity so
why 2022 we are going to be redoing

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tomahawk road end end-to-end
curbs drive approaches road etc we do

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that once
basically every generation 20 to 25

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years
and so if we're going to do anything

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different now is the time to do that as
opposed to boring under the road that

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we've already done
etc so we put that committee together to

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take a look at this
and and review and so tonight is

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no decisions will be made tonight we
have another one of these tomorrow

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where you're welcome to come back you
just need to rcp again i think we still

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have some open slots
uh there's been a lot of feedback via

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email which will be taking into account
this tonight is about the council having

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the opportunity to hear from all of you
um listen occasionally ask a clarifying

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question but mostly just listen
why tomahawk well tomahawk is when it is

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a unique street in our community for a
couple of reasons

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there are two streets in our community
that run the entire length of the or

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with the city east to west tomahawk and
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tomahawk is the only one of those that
has a couple of things one

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is the only street interior to the city
with a 30 mile an hour speed limit

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every other street interior in the city
is 25. it is the only

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street that runs the width of our city
that runs

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without a single stop sign or stop light
from its easternmost to its westernmost

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point
it is the only street interior to the

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city that has bike lanes and those bike
lanes meet no known criteria for any

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bike lane ever
but it does have bike lanes it touches

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three of the five non-residential
structures in our city the church the

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city hall and indian hills country club
it touches 13 islands and parkwoods as

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it rewinds its way from kansas city
missouri to prairie village and it

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provides it's a connector
so if we're going to do anything and

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maybe we won't
now is the time to take a look at that

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because it's a critical piece of
infrastructure in our city we will spend

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about two million dollars on it
in 2022 half of that will be paid by the

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county and so
we need to guide the engineers the right

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way and the input from you all tonight
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residents tomorrow and that has been
received via email will be critical to

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that
so the full council is here which is

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great staff is over there
a couple important logistical items so

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the podium right there if you choose to
speak that's where you'll go

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you're welcome to remove the mask if
speaking through the mask is hard

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ideally you can leave it on that'd be
great those of you who have not been to

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this facility before there are two sets
of restrooms

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as you're facing me most of you probably
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main entrance
it's a hallway that runs perpendicular

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to this table there's a set of restrooms
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or as you're looking at me there's a
hallway that runs parallel to this table

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there's a set of restrooms to the left
we have water over there for everyone

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and we have 90 now 84 minutes
there are not even 20 people here some

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of you are here with a spouse or
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i want to be respectful of your time i
want to be respectful of staff council

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time
um i'd ask politely that maybe start

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with with five minutes
as we got get into discussion and at the

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end we can spend the entire 90 minutes
here i'm happy to do that

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by the same token i want to make sure
everybody has an opportunity to talk and

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no one is sitting here at 6 55 saying oh
my gosh i haven't had a chance to speak

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yet
so plenty of opportunity to provide

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feedback and again
for us it's mostly about listening so if

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you don't hear us ask a bunch of
questions that's purposeful

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um i happen to be a notetaker on my
laptop some of council is pen and paper

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so if you see us doing that that's what
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and does anybody have any questions
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so on zoom calls some of you may wonder
why didn't we do this as a zoom call why

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here at 42 degrees outside
one i've done zoom calls to 40 people

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having a conversation
is really really hard it's good for

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presentations
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for a conversation it's tough
and i think that conversation live in

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person is important
so one important point we are recording

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this
tonight there are people who are online

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watching
they will be they may submit information

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and questions
you will be recorded that recording will

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become part of public record
so i just want to make sure everybody is

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aware of that as we go
so typically on in the zoom calls that

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i've done i find it most effective to
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and just work my way across in terms of
having people give updates in this case

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having people speak
if i i'm going to do that tonight if you

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choose not to speak
you didn't lose your chance you can come

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back around if you want to defer it's
like the chiefs and the kickoff

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and certainly i think we'll have time at
the end for additional conversation

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for those who want to speak again so
there are no questions and i

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i'm sorry i both don't know everybody's
name can't read the name tags from this

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far away and
masks are still hard sometimes to figure

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out who's who i'm just going to start
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and see i can see i can read debbie's
wbb to start

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would you like to speak okay

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you're up

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just one uh point of order
we uh submitted 65 or so petitions

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signed and asked if they'd be included
in the record yes and they have been

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good
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a lot of the comments that you that

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that i'll talk about are things that
we've already expressed to the committee

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and to
to you there's a lot of thought

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a lot of people have put their time and
energy into this

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uh i think i'm trying to distill things
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more obvious issues one is that the
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costs of re-engineering these two
corners far

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outweigh the cost of actually enforcing
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both in terms of speeding and in terms
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uh distracted driving these corn
these corners make pedestrians nervous

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not because they're engineered badly
they're it's because people especially

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especially commuters
ignore the traffic laws

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stricter enforcement would go a long way
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that gave rise to this these two uh
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at the same time that would improve the

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livability of our
great little city here second

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without the stricter enforcement of the
traffic laws the proposed wanonga

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triangle solution
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worse than they are perceived today
the redesign would result in traffic

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from three streets
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being funneled into one lane of ingress
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sign
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all three would
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presented then with turning right or
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across traffic or into traffic
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the oblique way that the

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that the current traffic situation works
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on those two stops those two
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but imagine the safety concerns if we
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we'll get some pretty catastrophic
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south
southwest bound traffic lane and into

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the northeast direction or making a hard
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from a standing stop into a lane of
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more than 25 miles an hour in many cases
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and that's at the apex of the curve and
less likely to be seen by people who are

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speeding from
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that redesign plan doesn't pass the
common sense test i've yet to meet

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a single neighbor who supports this
redesign plan

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we've presented you with 60 petitions or
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a lot more people have come forth and to
want to be

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interested in this if there are others
who would like to sign the petition

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tonight i brought a few extra
but uh i think that

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in short enforcement is the best option
here

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not to spend money on a project that
appears to be an expensive solution

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looking for a problem to solve
thanks great thank you very much

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do you steve introduce yourself briefly
then go ahead

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i wanted to mainly come up here to take
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but having accomplished that my name's

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steve soden
and my wife mary is out of town visiting

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a daughter in bend oregon
or she'd be here we've lived at 6701

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tomahawk for 15 years little over 15
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when we bought that house and moved in
we had five kids at home

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so right from the start obviously i was
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to the traffic the the risk we had
littler kids we had drivers

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so it we have a perfect
observation way because our property

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literally faces the incomplete
island as we look out we sit on our

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front porch we see the whole
intersection right there and i

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i will agree with peter
i think in our 15 years i can't remember

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maybe three or four times that there was
any kind of an accident there and those

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were usually ice and snow related
somebody's trying to make that curve too

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fast and hits the island and
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i am just certain that
this issue doesn't really

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have have enough
merits to go forward talk to probably

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i bet over the last four months five
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friends some of them the 60 that have
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others just in conversation all mission
hills friends and neighbors

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no one is for this project and
to peter's point things changed when the

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bridge was redone on
63rd street and that flushed a lot of

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traffic that
you know that it's famous everybody goes

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25 on 63rd street not
because i paid a lot of tickets when our

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kids were driving
unfortunately because they really really

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have a reputation for monitoring that
speed limit

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mission hills then got all that traffic
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mary and i will sit on our front front
porch and

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watch cars go by and i'm thinking
they're going 40 miles an hour they have

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to
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some of the kids just screeching around
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so i i think it's a speed issue
and i think that to spend that kind of

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money and redesign that intersection
doesn't make sense to me and if we

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had the same kind of a reputation
on tomahawk that they have on 63rd

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street for
you go 25 or you're going to be writing

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some checks
i think that problem would really get

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solved so
thank you thank you thanks for being

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here laura lee
just observing i'm going to start back

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this way
oh there's somebody here sorry the pole

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you're good

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my name is tom erzak and i'm here
because

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safety is also a concern of mine and
it's safety on 63rd

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and on tomahawk not so much for the cars
but for people who actually walk those

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streets
you have cars even on 63rd i

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respectfully
want to say go awfully fast and tomahawk

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it's it's even worse but try and cross
one of the crosswalks even though

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they're designated as crosswalks
nobody stops you're taking your life

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into your hands if you see a car coming
and i've proposed on a couple of

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different occasions that we ought to put
maybe some of those little signs up

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that say state law requires you to stop
you know we were walking across the

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stock crosswalk a while ago
and we were in the crosswalk so it

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wasn't like we were standing there and
cars were going by this guy comes by in

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his truck
of course we yelled at him and he had a

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few choice words to say to us
like we're wrong because we're in the

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crosswalk crossing when he wouldn't stop
so i think a little more if we get some

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enforcement of the crosswalks and make
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of an issue for people driving through
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the other thing is i'm a firm believer
that if we're redoing the street

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we need to have a dedicated lane for
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and or biking it's i've seen
so many times a young mother walking

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with her
stroller down the street cars are

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zooming by her
and i'm thinking oh my gosh this looks

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so dangerous to me
and then even worse i'll see a mother

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with a stroller
and she'll have her little kids riding a

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bicycle or on a scooter
and little kids they don't have any

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control they are all
over the lanes and cars are driving by

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so i really think a dedicated lane
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would be very helpful thank you
thank you tom moving

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still this way can't quite read your
name tag i'm sorry

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hi carol i just have a question for you
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is it a consideration at all that the
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be reduced and be in a reduced state for
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there's
value before making a decision on

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whether to proceed with any
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at all uh
i would certainly say that's absolutely

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possible so
one of the things when the council heard

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me say this probably a couple of them
were frustrated by it but we didn't want

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to do that until we had the initial
conversations

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here there were calls for to do it right
away i specifically said

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let's let the committee bring
recommendations we have we will not be

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redoing the road until 2022
so the reduction in the speed limit if

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that's where the council chooses to go
could absolutely happen you know more or

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less tomorrow or for some period of time
that we could allow for measurement

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tracking and so forth you've seen
fairway do the same thing over on

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blender
right thank you absolutely thank you for

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asking

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good definitely not read that far back

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my name is larry winter i live at 3135
tomahawk road

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my wife and i moved here 11 years ago
and we specifically wanted to live

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in mission hills on tomahawk road i love
the way

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it meanders through mission hills i love
the tree-lined streets

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and sweeping lawns i did attend a number
of the meetings of this committee

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i never saw any data to indicate that
tomahawk road is unsafe for pedestrians

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i know that's the perception of many but
i never saw the data that showed that

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i'm a frequent walker
i have never felt unsafe walking on

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tomahawk road
not once in 11 years have i felt unsafe

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walking the tomahawk road
i do see two potential i think

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significant problems that would result
from adding sidewalks and making

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tomahawk road more narrow

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these last six plus months my wife and i
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time in our front porch during the
pandemic than we have

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in the years leading up to this and one
thing that stuck out to both of us

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is the number of bicyclists that are up
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i think is tomahawk called an arterial
road for motor vehicles

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it is i would say it's an arterial road
for the bicyclers too

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i see people going to work i see people
exercising i see biking clubs up and

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down
if you make tomahawk road more narrow

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it's going to have a
terrible effect for the bicyclists and

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make them
much more exposed than they are now i

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just think it would be a big mistake
and i would also add that for runners or

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people like me with joint issues i
prefer to walk in the asphalt

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even on the streets that have sidewalks
in mission hills i'm walking in the

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street
i think it's just going to be a big

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problem if tomahawk road
is is made more narrow it'd be one thing

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if it were a straight street but a
narrow winding road to me just

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spells danger the second thing is the
on-street parking

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and what that would do tomahawk road
were made more narrow in my block

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over the last two years i think there's
been constant construction

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around us and on certain days there are
cars parked all around on both sides of

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the street
if you add on top of that the lawn

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maintenance trucks for their big
trailers with all their equipment um ups

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federal express amazon delivery it's
going to be a big problem

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for for anyone going up and down
tomahawk road and that too is going to

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make it worse for
anyone in the street or anyone on a

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bicycle i just think it's going to
create more problems

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and make it less safe i have no problem
lowering the speed limit you talked

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about the you're calling the stripes for
the bike lanes i know they're not bike

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lanes
i'm off from removing those further away

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from the curb to visually give more
space

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more room for pedestrians it would
result in more separation from traffic

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i think that's the way to go i think it
would be a terrible mistake to put

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sidewalks up and down tomahawk thank you
do you have any questions for me

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thank you appreciate you being here
let's see

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hi i'm larry's next door neighbor and
i remember when the police used to

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watch and patrol tomahawk years ago
i don't know what's happened if there's

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a change in
um the salary or the you know money

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devoted to that or what but we have had
four cars in a landscaping truck

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plowed into in front of our house
i don't think the changes that they've

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proposed
will make the drivers any better i think

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it's a
it's a situation of distracted drivers

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um be there texting or
looking in the mirror or talking to

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somebody but
all of them have been just because

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people aren't watching all the accidents
and i'm for proposing either a lower

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speed limit i noticed the cars going by
our house

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were slowing down when you had the they
had brief

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time there was a flashing uh
30 mile an hour's uh speed limit

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at tomahawk circle and
that seemed to help a lot but they took

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it down
and i understand that people don't want

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flashing lights but i think
a stricter

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um watch on the speed
and maybe i didn't think the flashing

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flashing sign was gauche at all but um
i love i do love the trees i know they

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said that they wouldn't be affected by
changing the road but the tree roots are

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you know go out pretty far i'm not sure
exactly of how the construction would be

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with
with that but i sure hope that they just

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keep the meandering tomahawk
and make it it like some courtney said

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that
you know just a resurfaced tomahawk

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would be one of the things they're
looking at and i'm

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all for that it makes them nice without
the potholes but

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that's all great thank you for being
here

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ma'am

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hi my name is sarah garcia i live on
3210

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tomahawk and ever since
oh my gosh i was a well a teenager which

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was many many years ago
tomahawk has always been my favorite

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street in this whole city
as the most beautiful street the windy

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roads the trees
it was my dream to sunday oh i want to

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have a house on tomahawk
and um um i am just

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really opposed to these changes i
support um

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the opinions that our neighbors here
have have shared

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um i think that narrowing the road uh
would actually create

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more dangers than produce a safety
solution

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um there's just too many there too many
curves

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too many um cars parked um
for various reasons construction like

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was mentioned landscaping
etc with deliveries and i

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i support maybe doing some creative
um you know rethinking i agree with

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promoting safety through controlling
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reinforcing maybe a lower speed limit
and maybe also just having more police

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presence
to enforce that would be a good thing

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that's pretty much in a nutshell what i
what i think and um i support everyone's

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opinions
thank you great thank you for being here

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i don't have my name tag because i
arrived late but i'm gabrielle beam and

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i think
my entire street is here i'm at 3205

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tomahawk
so i'm in the neighborhood with a whole

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bunch of houses
under construction and now mine is and

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so there's
vehicles all over the place since my

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husband
did not come i have to represent that he

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wants a sidewalk because we have kids
and um and so he thinks it's safer if

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you narrow
because he wants it to be a side street

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and i try to tell him
it's not a side street it will never be

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a side street
um it is a major thoroughfare and but

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we've been working home since the
pandemic and we work in our dining room

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and look
right out on the street and i can tell

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you there's a number of times where he
is looking out and people are flying by

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and i do
think that that is the biggest risk i

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will say from my perspective
i'm pretty much like larry i run the

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streets
so i like to run on asphalt if if

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there's a sidewalk that takes up
too much of the road and then i'm

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preferring to run
in the street maybe to avoid the you

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know slope
for every driveway on the concrete

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sidewalk
i'm concerned about that just the safety

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of that but i do understand my husband's
position and people with

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small children in the neighborhood that
are trying to figure out a way to

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navigate with children on bikes and
children walking so

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it's not an easy solution i don't know
what is the best solution

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you know we just want it to be safe and
be able to

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to get around i do
think it is a little aggravating for me

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that people don't do the and walk
you know against traffic ride with i

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almost think we need
signs because it's very aggravating to

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me because i think that creates
its own headache with the traffic but i

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had to present my
husband's perspective of wanting

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sidewalks i don't know if that's the
solution or not so

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but that's my bit thank you thank you
for being here

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good okay yes sir

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terry o'leary 6810 tomahawk um
lived on tomahawk 13 years and

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my wife lynn most people will test
probably walks

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10 times a day on 69th and or tomahawk
or

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other streets and so we're and we
had four kids there growing up so pretty

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familiar with the
situation i also agree that it's really

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i don't see it as a
dangerous the islands and people going

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extremely fast that often but
there is the occasional speeder

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obviously our my main concern is
watching as others have mentioned

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strollers
and mothers or families of dads with

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their kids two or three kids riding
bikes and trying to keep them all in the

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street and
people texting and so even though it's

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a connector and our i think the
advantages

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could be that it is our only connector
but that's also the disadvantage because

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if you push everybody to your only
connector

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then you have too many people on the
street whether it's bikers cars

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strollers whatever and i was doing a
little research

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the last couple days looking for
articles on traffic calming and which

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we've done in our business several
different ways but

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there's a lot of different good traffic
calming methods you can

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engage at that corner in different
places in mission hills

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but it also talks a lot about when
you're trying to put too many people

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on a street with bikes and strollers and
whatever it is

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and you have all the driveways and cars
turning

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out of driveways backing out and so on
it creates

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more cause for injuries
to bikers and you know walkers

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runners etc so i think one of the
beautiful things about mission hills is

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that you
should enjoy walking and biking and

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driving on every street in mission hills
because it's amazing i've been driving

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through there since i was
probably 12 but i shouldn't have told

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you that but and my dad's votes vlogging
but um going to homestead but anyway

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uh weren't any cops back there back then
either so i didn't get caught

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doing that so maybe we need more
[Laughter]

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i was probably 13 but anyway um
so i think that there

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there are are ways to to
to to calm that area if that's the main

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concern
i don't see how and when or if we would

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build a sidewalk
or who's going to walk from state line

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all the way to
on that one street but again i think

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encouraging people to use all the
streets of mission

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hills to enjoy
the houses and the landscape and the

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parks and so on
because i i still think it's one of the

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most beautiful places i've ever driven
in my life and any city driving and

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meandering through
the different streets so so to to so to

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promote people walking and biking
and strolling and driving on one main

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connector
seems to be kind of against the

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walkability and the
the way mission hills was designed as a

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pedestrian neighborhood
so anyway that's my two cents great

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thank you terry

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did i i think we've gotten everybody
but no

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like courtney do we have anything online
specific

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okay would anybody like to speak again

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dave could i ask you a question
absolutely one of the things the

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task force struggled with was the issue
several of you identified crossings

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and signage uh traffic calming
and i think the presumption that the

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task force and i'm sorry i'm bill
running uh and worked on the task force

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with the
uh other people um the presumption was

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there's not a high tolerance in mission
hills

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for flashing lights signs bumpers slow
speeds

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to slow speeds down and
what else was referenced here i would be

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interested
let's see

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yeah across crosswalks traffic calming
and science i'd be interested

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in your sense not necessarily even your
position but your sense

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of mission hills tolerance well flashing
signs

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um more signs
anything that would make it safer but

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also obstruct kind of the bucolic view
which way do you think the city as a

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whole would like to go safer
uh crossings and pedestrian

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lanes or opt for beauty
and let people take some risks and i'm

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talking kids i'm talking strollers i'm
talking old people

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all the people that are on the street

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i don't have an answer yeah you go to
the microphone that way the people who

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are online can hear you be great
thank you um it might address what bill

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was asking but
i think the answer to your question is a

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few flashing lights out in the street
uh by police cars pulling over a few

449
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folks would could
go a long way but

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this is a this is a question i had
because when when we

451
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first got involved with this um this
whole question

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the whole speed limit enforcement issue
was

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seemed to me to be the first and
foremost way to

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address the question so i inquired and i
was

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told that the police chief feels as
though

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unless you're doing nine miles an hour
over the posted speed limit

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the uh the judge will not issue a moving
violation

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so i went looked it up on kansas law and
in fact that's not the case it's

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six miles an hour but that's between 30
and 54 miles an hour so there's no

460
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there's no grace period under 30
nor over 54. and i'm wondering is this a

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question of
will do we need to insist

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that the police department enforce the
laws

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more strictly because i
you know from where i came from in the

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last
10 times the nothing like having a few

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uh traffic stops to to calm the traffic
and once it becomes known that you can't

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drive through
mission hills uh as a commuter and get

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away with driving at 40 miles an hour
traffic is going to go a different

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direction or it's going to slow down
both of which works for me

469
00:35:52,960 --> 00:36:00,480
thank you peter anybody else want to
comment on bills

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or question signs
lights

471
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i will vote for at least a few more
signs

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you know i i think a couple more signs
is not going to take away from the

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beauty of the city
and if it helps or some flashing lights

474
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will help
i think it is potentially a better

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solution
i think the only flashing light was

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talked about at mission drive
and tomahawk and i think the risk to

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kids
and people coming from old sagamore into

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an area where driving
people to enjoy more scares us all i

479
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:44,240
think that's the only place we really
i heard them talking about flashing

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lights
well potentially to the extent that

481
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flashing lights are crosswalks and
and particularly at 67th and tomahawk

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where kids are crossing to go
towards prairie elementary

483
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:09,200
okay yes sir terry
um again just the research i read says

484
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in in the urban
bikeways and and uh pathways the most

485
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injuries are from crosswalks i think it
was 65 or 70 percent

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and to what bill said is and i've
mentioned this to andy before is

487
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you either have a crosswalk or you don't
i mean so at indian hills

488
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:31,119
right by the pool there's a sign with a
crosswalk but

489
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:35,440
nobody even can see the sign can't see
the crosswalk

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00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,839
so in that case you either need trees
cut

491
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:41,119
better signs better crosswalks the
little man in the street whatever you

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00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:44,880
want to do because there's no point in
having that there so either

493
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:49,520
either you need to have them and have
whatever signs

494
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:54,240
are needed to enforce them
and ever since they put stop lights or

495
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:58,079
stop signs i guess
in on the plaza people pay less

496
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:04,800
attention
to the people crossing the street

497
00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:11,119
well take that back ever since ever
since they added some stop signs

498
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:14,720
at uh some sections of the plaza
people have paid less attention to the

499
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:17,040
crosswalks because it used to always be
cross

500
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:22,560
crosswalks everybody used to just stop
but if you go across at where

501
00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:26,800
the steak burger place is or uh you know
where north face is and all that

502
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:30,880
no cars stop anymore partly on the plaza
and

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they do stop in front of
the grocery store in-house with the

504
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,720
little sign and all that so that i know
that helps but

505
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i think you either have to have them or
just get rid of them

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thank you

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00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:49,920
any other questions from up here
comments from those who are here i've

508
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,280
never been one that
feels the need to fill the time with the

509
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task at hand
we will be doing this again tomorrow and

510
00:38:55,839 --> 00:39:02,560
again
we have courtney what 10 slots open

511
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:06,000
still if anybody wants to come back
so just call or just go tell staff right

512
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,960
now you'd like to come back if you want
to come back or

513
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:13,200
dial up online this has been very
helpful

514
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:17,760
and i appreciate those of you coming
many of you have submitted email

515
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:20,800
directly to either sbc or me
thank you for that and for your feedback

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00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:24,480
and
with that i'll give everybody a bunch of

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00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:43,839
their time in the evening back and
appreciate your feedback and come to

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00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:43,839
thank you

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is