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Okay. Good evening. It is September 8, 2026, and I'd like to call to.

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Order the meeting of the Mission VA host city council, the community development, financing authority, the successor agency of the community development agency, the housing authority, and the library board of trustees. I will go ahead and take verbal roll call, council member Kelly, council member reach, council member Vazquez, mayor pro time Gidel, and I am also present. Okay, so I don't believe there's any closed session, Mr.

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City Attorney, can you confirm that for us?

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Correct, there are no items on the closed session agenda.

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Okay, with that in mind, we'll go ahead and recess and come back for our meeting at

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6 o'clock.

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Good evening.

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I am calling to order the set the session of the Mission VAO City Council and it is September

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8th, 2026 and we're calling to order the meeting of the Mission VAO City Council, the

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community development financing authority, the successor agency of the community development agency, the housing authority, and the library board of trustees.

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I see that we have all of our council members here.

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We did not have any closed session.

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If you could please confirm that Mr. City Attorney.

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Thank you Madam Mayor, that is correct, as listed on the agenda, there were no closed session items this evening.

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Okay, thank you very much.

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So we'll go ahead and have council member Reesh do the invocation and council member Vasquez do the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Thank you Madam Mayor, if you all rise with me, Almighty

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God, we thank you for bringing us together tonight to serve our city.

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Grannis this council wisdom, discernment and clear focus as we discuss the business of our community.

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Give our leaders listening hearts, patience and the courage to make fair decisions.

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help us put aside our personal differences and work together for the peace, safety, and well-being of all our residents in your name, amen.

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In honor of all of those who died on September 11, including my colleagues, please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for

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which it stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you.

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Okay, at this point we have a few presentations so I'm going to go down to the podium and

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then colleagues will be ready for some pictures.

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Okay, first up we're going to have Shane Mall if you could come on up and you are the

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Assistant Chief of EMS Operations Training and Promotions, I believe that is your current

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new title.

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Is that correct?

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Yes.

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And we're going to present you a proclamation on wildfire awareness.

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So thank you for being here.

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This is a proclamation from the City of Mission VAO on wildfire awareness and prevention season.

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In 2020, California experienced a record breaking wildfire season with over 4 million acres burned across the state.

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And in 2024, the state faced 8,024 wildfires that burned approximately just over a million acres, reflecting a significant increase from the previous year.

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The recent wildfires in Los Angeles County, including the Eaton and the Palisades fires in early January,

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25 resulted in at least 29 fatalities and destroyed over 16,000 structures.

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The economic impact of these fires is profound and with tragic death tolls and

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an estimated damages an economic loss is reaching up to $250 billion.

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Where as extreme fires are growing threat to public health and safety, homes, air quality, and climate goals.

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Approximately 25% of California's population lives in areas identified as high or very high fire hazard severity zones.

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sudden and intense wildfires may swiftly emerge,

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transversing vast distances in penetrating urban zones far

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from their origin.

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thereby

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Detrimentally affecting public health and diminishing overall quality of life. Every citizen has a key role in preventing destructive wildfires from occurring. Public education and up-to-date, regional emergency planning are key to making our communities more resilient to the impacts of wildfire and other extreme weather events. Orange County residents can learn about ready, set, go to prepare for wildfire season and help prevent loss of life and property.

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at ocf, excuse me, ocfa.org.

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So now therefore I Wendy Buckton by the virtue of the authority vested in me as the mayor of the City of Mission, of Mission Viejo.

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And on behalf of the City Council, do hereby proclaim the height of fire, wildfire season, beginning in mid-summer and

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running through early autumn as wildfire awareness and prevention season.

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And I encourage everyone to do their part to raise public awareness, take steps to protect

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your own homes and businesses to prevent sparking a wildfire.

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When less spark means one less wildfire.

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Thank you for being here, appreciate that.

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Would you like to say a few more?

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I always take a microphone.

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Thank you very much mayor, city council, city staff appreciate it.

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And thank you to everyone for being here and just hearing all that.

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Obviously as you're all very aware, we live in a beautiful, beautiful place.

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But fire season here in California is truly year round.

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We're coming into kind of the peak of it right now.

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As everybody is aware, you know, the September October, you start getting the San

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Anowons.

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But you've seen it.

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Fire happens year-round just last week.

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I'm sure you all saw on the news we had the Gibby Fire, which burned up 230 acres just

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off of Ortega with no winds.

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So everything is definitely very ready to burn, even with that little bit of rain.

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And so just know that from the OCFA side, we are prepared to respond and just like we did

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on the Gibby Fire, we sent a huge response from the ground in the air.

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We are here to do that, but we really need your help.

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This is a team effort.

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Please, if you go to our website, like the mayor mentioned,

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O-C-F-A dot org, it'll write in the front.

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It's ready set go, we want everybody to get

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what the information they can.

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And right, that will take you into our program

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that'll teach you how to protect your homes,

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because it's not typically, it's not always the flaming fire

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front that's going to light the homes on fire.

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that will get into your eaves, they're up into your attics,

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or into a pile of stuff that we have next to our houses.

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And that will be what truly sets the fire to your home.

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And it's a really sad thing when you lose homes that are nowhere near the brush,

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but little embers get in there.

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And there's a ton of stuff that you can do that absolutely protect your home.

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We've seen it over and over again on these fires.

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So if you go to the website, it'll give you a whole slew of information,

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more information than you probably want.

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But of ways that you can protect your home.

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And the other thing I would highly recommend is on there there's a link

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that you can schedule a free home assessment.

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And one of our inspectors will come out

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and they'll come out of the clipboard and they'll inspect your entire property front to back all the way to your property lines

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and they'll give you a punch list of everything you can do to protect your home and it's a free service.

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A lot of people have really utilized that over the last few years and I'd really recommend it for you and please take advantage of it.

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But please, thank you for partnering with us and thank you for recognizing Wildcarsie.

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We're going to get a picture.

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Okay, next I'd like to ask Malaya, Malia.

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Thank you, Carrie, Director of Government Affairs and Community Relations at Second Harvest

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Food Bank, Orange County, and is Christian with you?

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to come to the podium.

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and I'm going to present this proclamation for you.

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Thank you for coming, appreciate it.

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Okay, so this is a proclamation for Hunger Action Month.

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We are, several of us are wearing orange again, so thank you.

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We had this last month too, so we're so glad to be able to support this.

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And that is the second harvest food banks colors.

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And I know that because I've been there a few times,

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and it's a great effort to be able to come and do that.

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So for a hunger action month, we're

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We're recognizing this for the month of September, and this hunger and poverty are issues of vital concern in California. We're approximately 22% of California households and 27% of households with children experience food insecurity. Everyone needs nutritious food to thrive and people are working hard to provide for themselves and their families. Yet over 387,000 individuals, including 112,000 children,

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one that's one in six children here in Orange County are food insecure.

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Whereas the city of Mission Viejo is committed to taking steps to combat hunger in every part of our community and to provide additional resources.

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That those in the city of Mission Viejo need and whereas the city of Mission Viejo is committed to working with the OC hunger alliance and

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educating people about the role and importance of food banks and the charitable food system.

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in addressing hunger, raising awareness of the need to devote more resources and

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attention to hunger issues, and working collaboratively to optimize the food

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system and address food insecurity as a symptom of poverty.

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In 2020, the Orange County Food Bank and Second Harvest Food Bank collectively

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recorded an average of 808 roughly 1000 individual food distribution visits

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It's per month from our community members facing food insecurity and distributed over

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set almost 73,000 pounds of food through their partner networks of food pantries at senior

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center schools, colleges, university, houses of worship, soup kitchens, shelters, and other

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community organizations.

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Abound food care helps facilitate the recovery of over 25 million pounds of excess edible food

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in Orange County each year, reducing food waste and providing that food to those who need it, whereas 211 Orange County received 15,563 calls from Orange County residents seeking food assistance and were connected by 37,962 referrals to food pantries in the past year,

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And whereas meals on wheels Orange County prepared and delivered 1,272,000 meals in 2025,

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providing older adults and vulnerable neighbors with vital nutrition, compassionate support,

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and services promoting health independence and dignity.

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And whereas the month of September has been designated hunger action month in order to bring attention to food insecurity in our communities,

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communities, and to enlist the public in the movement to end hunger by taking action,

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including volunteering, donating, and advocating to ensure every community and everybody in

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it has the food that they need to survive. Whereas food banks and other organizations across

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the country, including members of the OC Hunger Alliance, will host events throughout the

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month of September to bring awareness and help end food insecurity in our local community.

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So now therefore, I Wendy Bucknam by the virtue of the authority vested in me as the mayor of the City of Mission Viejo.

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And on behalf of the whole City Council, do hereby recognize September,

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2026, as hunger, action, month, and the City of Mission Viejo.

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Here you go. Would you like to say a few words?

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you, Mayor Bucknam. Thank you, Council.

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Thank you to the City of Mission Viejo.

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Here I'm going to, I'm a little taller. There we go.

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September is hunger, action, month, as the mayor mentioned.

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And orange is not only the color of second harvest, but

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it's also the color of hunger awareness.

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So we go out to all 34 cities who have officially declared September's Hunger Action Month.

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So we appreciate the entire county's support to help us spread awareness as the mayor so

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eloquently read all of those statistics for us.

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We have a lot of work to do in Orange County.

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We're a very fortunate county, a very lovely county.

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I love living here, but there's one in six kids are still experiencing what we call food insecurity.

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So I work at Second Harvest Food Bank, there are two food banks in the county.

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there's us, there's Orange County Food Bank up in Garden Grove. We are part of the OC hunger alliance,

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which is a wonderful group of anti-hunger non-profits, 211, Meals on Wheels. We all work together

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in the county to kind of help spread awareness and address food insecurity. So September, we encourage

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you, you know, learn about food insecurity in our county. I get involved, come volunteer with us,

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we love our volunteers, help spread awareness to those that you know and what you've learned here

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tonight. You can visit us on our website feedoc.org slash h-a-m for hunger action

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months and we have a bunch of events going on in September. Like I said, come out and volunteer

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with us and get involved and just help us spread the word. All right. Thank you

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so much for

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Okay. Last, we have a special recognition for the Aliso, or sorry, Oso Creek golf course. And

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And I'd like to have Colleague and General Manager of the Oslo Creek course come to the podium

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and anybody else you'd like to have come with you.

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And just we're going to have you say a few words and I want to present this to you.

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So we are commemorating contributions of the community to the American story during the

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semi-quinn centennial anniversary.

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So on July 4th, 1776, the United States of America was founded on the bold ideas.

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and enduring convictions of liberty, justice, and the pursuit of happiness, truths that continue to guide our republic.

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As our nation celebrates its 250th anniversary in 2026, known as a semi-quinn centennial or America 250,

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communities are encouraged to reflect on our history, honor all Americans, contributions, and look to the future.

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Local businesses are vital to our community's economy, and they embody the American spirit.

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Local businesses also contribute significantly to the character and prosperity of Mission B.A.O.

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Whereas this 250th milestone is an opportunity to recognize the role of local businesses and

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citizens in shaping our nation's values and future.

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And whereas we encourage everyone to support local businesses and

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celebrating our heritage and inspiring future generations.

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Whereas an acknowledgement of the exemplary leadership and

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revitalization of this distinguished mission BAO asset.

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And through your dedicated efforts instead of fast stewardship,

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you have significantly enhanced the legacy and value of the Oso Creek Golf Course.

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Thereby enriching the recreational opportunities and the quality of life for the city's sins of mission BAO.

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Your contribution stands as a testament to the spirit of community pride and

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excellence, deserving of the highest commendation and sincere appreciation.

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Now therefore, I, Wendy Buckton, by the virtue of the authority vested in me as the mayor of the city of Mission Viejo, and on behalf of the entire Mission Viejo City Council, do here by recognize the contributions of the Oso Creek Golf Course in the city of Mission Viejo.

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Thank you.

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Good evening, everybody.

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Thank you, Mayor, Madam Mayor, City Council,

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and everyone here tonight.

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When we first started this journey,

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it also creaked the city had a vision

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for what this facility could become.

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And our job as a team was just to take that vision

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and execute it.

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We wanted also creaked to be more than just a golf course.

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We wanted to be a place where our community

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could come together.

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Whether it's for golf, special events, dinner with family,

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or just having the best hot dogs in town.

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With the vision with the support of the city

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and work hard with dedication, an incredible team,

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and also we have been able to turn that vision

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into something very special.

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Something our community can enjoy,

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and something we can all be proud of,

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and be a brag about.

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I am very grateful for this recognition tonight,

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but I share it with the entire team.

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I am proud to have how far we have become,

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and I'm more excited about where it's going to be.

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Unfortunately, our chef, Ricardo,

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would not be able to come tonight,

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but he is the main reason for this success.

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I just wanted to throw that out there.

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Thank you, Jerry, for all your support,

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Board and City Council, and thank you, guys.

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Thank you.

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Okay, we are now at the point for public comments, persons wishing to address the council on city business that is not listed on the agenda. Must you so at this time, members of the public who are present in the chamber and wish to speak should see the city clerk now. For those joining us remotely by Zoom or calling in, please use the raise hand function to be added to the speaker queue. Those wishing to address the city council on any item that is listed on the agenda should request to speak before the item is

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Once the public comment period is closed for each item, no additional speakers are permitted in the queue.

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Each speaker may be allowed to three minutes.

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When called please state your name and city of residence.

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We will start with in-person speakers and then move to remote speakers.

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When ready, Madam Clerk, please state the number of public comments we have tonight and call up our first speaker.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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So tonight we have 17 in-person speakers and we do have one person requesting to speak via Zoom.

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the first speaker this evening is going to be Faith Fernston and then it's going to be followed by a group of six individuals and I'll call their name after Faith speaks.

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Good evening mayor and city council members. My name is Faith Fernston and I live at 22921 via Santa Maria Mission Viejo.

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Next door to the quarter of 22931 via Santa Maria.

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Today, the city has not obtained a warrant to clear up the property.

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It has been two weeks.

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Why has it taken this long?

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He has gotten more stuff and added more stuff to the mess.

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That property is a safety and a fire hazard.

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Also, I wanted to speak about, I did speak to the animal services department a while back about the gentleman who lives at the horror house.

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He has a 180 pound dog, and he allows him to poop in the backyard, which is not great.

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Sunday morning, I go out to get my paper, and the smell is in the street.

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When I spoke to the animal services, they said they couldn't do anything unless it was a grigis.

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Now, I don't know what their limit of a grigis is, but mine is every single day.

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Okay, especially now the heat is happening, it is every day.

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So I would like something to be done with that, I would appreciate your cooperation.

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And also, I'd like to know when the city is going to take action about the hoarder and with the abatement warrant.

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Thank you.

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Mr. City Attorney?

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Thank you, Madam Mayor, have an update.

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As of this afternoon, the abatement warrant has been issued by the court.

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It was issued this afternoon and the city moving forth with to abate the nuisance.

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Thank you, the next speakers.

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The next speakers are going to be a group of six individuals by the name of Mel,

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Fari, Jocelyn, Grant, John, and Audrey.

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Okay, I guess I'm going to be sure.

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All right, I will be the first to speak, this contingent of table tennis participants is a small group.

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and then we have a larger group here, just to show you our numbers and our influence.

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You have a copy of a petition that Fari has put together and we have all signed.

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And I'm going to go ahead and read it so we all get a feel of what our sentiments are.

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We have the undersigned residents and senior citizens of Mission V.A.

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Ho, respectfully request that the city provide more days and larger rooms for senior table tennis

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activities at our community facilities. Table tennis is much more than a

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recreation for older adults. Scientific research attached to this petition

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demonstrates playing table tennis can help promote motor coordination,

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metal alertness, and short-term memory. All of these are important aspects of

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healthy aging and maintaining independence. Unfortunately, Mission VA

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They hope currently offers only two part days per week in a room too small to accommodate

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the growing number of participants.

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At times, there will be 15 to 20 people waiting to play.

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This makes it too difficult for adequate playing time.

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Nearby communities such as Lagoon and a Gell and Lake Forest provide rooms that hold four

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tables.

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and more days of play.

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We've always been very proud of our city and all the amenities it offers. We hope this modest investment we're asking would provide us a healthier aging process. Thank you.

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I'm going to read to you and then you can have the copy of the scientific research that

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promotes plane ping pong as and it calls the ultimate brain sport.

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It is the single one sport that promotes shorter memory, hippocampus, brain mechanics,

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Neuroplasticity Changes, Coordinated Brain Activities,

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Neuro-Degenerative Disease Prevention, Alzheimer's Therapy,

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Parkinson's Support, and many more cognitive enhancement.

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So we're plating with you.

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We've asked several times to the staff where we play.

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We've been ignored.

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many times, sometimes very loudly and very angrily, because we just – it's too small

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room that we have, and it's too hot. We have had many people that were tripped and

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fell. I don't know if anyone has sued you, but it's possible that they will. There are

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For more people who want to speak, thank you so much for letting me speak.

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Good evening, my name is Melville Walda.

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I just wanted to reiterate some of the items that John's willing, the first presenter spoke about.

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In comparing some of the other adjacent communities and cities,

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Mission Bial has two tables, and like they said, only two half days of activity available.

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The room, as they mentioned, is too small.

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It's very prone to injury.

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The people waiting on the sidelines in their chairs have often been bumped into.

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The cabinetry in the room has been bumped into and people bang their backs and ankles on that.

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So it's not safe in addition to, it just isn't conducive to playing table tennis.

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The ceilings are only 8 feet high.

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areas like Lake Forest and some of the other joining cities have up to four

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tables. Some as many as five days a week offered opportunities to play table

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tennis in rooms that are designed more conducively to play table tennis.

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Addicoot space, ceiling height, etc.

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That's all I had to say.

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you. Good evening. My name is Grant Chambers. I live in Mission Viejo. I'm a

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veteran and ping-pong player.

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The best exercise in the world for people with

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Parkinson's and Alzheimer's is ping-pong. It has reached national attention and

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there are cities and chapters nationwide that are being funded because of the

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fast-moving attention to the ball that Ping-Bong brings.

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The brain synapses that occur with the quick decisions that have to be made in milliseconds

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is both healthy and healing and competitive advantage.

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For seniors, you wouldn't believe what's going on in that room.

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There is nothing but loud screaming, laughing, applause.

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It's fun, it's sociable, and it's the greatest exercise in the world.

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I get my 10,000 steps in a three-hour period of playing ping pong.

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For seniors with Parkinson's, it's end Alzheimer's, it's life enhancing and enriching.

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One of our members, Tom, you don't want to measure brain surgeon because of the tremble in his hands.

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but you want him on your ping pong team it is unbelievable these fast flicker

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the wrist that he can send the ball by you before you can even move to it so

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So that's it. I'll repeat the opening. The best...

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Exercise in the world for people with Parkinson's and Alzheimer's is ping pong. Thank you.

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Hi. My name is Audrey Locke, and I'm here to support my colleagues in requesting consideration to our petition. I'd love a show of hands for people who are here tonight. This is just a very, very small portion. So please consider all of the wonderful benefits that a very

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small change could make to all of us.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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Our next speaker is going to be

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Yusuf Cameron, followed by Tom Moore.

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Hi, my name is Yusuf Karmron.

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I go to Mission Viejo High School

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as a sophomore and 10th grade.

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I am part of the community of character committee

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and I would like to introduce the character trait

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for September, which is responsibility.

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Responsibility is a quality of being able to fulfill duties

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or tasks. Responsibility involves knowing what is expected of you in doing it. Often

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in tasks are specific requirements such as requests from parents, employers, or teachers.

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But responsibility also involves having an intuition or a sense of what needs to be done

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and then taking the initiative to do it. The word response means answer, thus to be responsible

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means to be able to answer. Responsibility also includes being trustworthy, dependable, reliable,

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productive and being able to plan ahead. Responsibility is a life skill which

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does not come naturally, but can be taught and instilled in children through

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training and practice. When we train our children to become responsible we're

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helping them towards maturity. Responsibility isn't just completing a task, it's

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also an attitude, the idea of taking action and being proud of doing it yourself.

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One way I have shown responsibility in my life is completing all assignments,

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as completing all assignments on time rather than procrastinating it.

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I like to end my speech with a quote about responsibility by Booker T. Washington.

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He states, few things help individual more than to place responsibility upon him,

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and to let him know that you trust him. Thank you and have a good evening.

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Tom Moore, followed by Connie Lazarusura.

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Tom Moore, resident of Mission Viejo. First a request and in a comment.

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I'd like to encourage the residents of Michigan to familiarize themselves with the history and intent of the state of California state housing element law enacted in 1967.

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This was AB 1952, it was actually written by Pete Wilson and in the comment.

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And noon on the 11th of September in remembrance of those who died and those who continue to be affected by a terrible event.

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I will walk from the pocket park south of Oslo Creek Trail along Marguerite Parkway to the Peace Memorial on the west side of the Oslo Creek Trail.

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That's it for this evening.

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Connie Lazaracera, followed by Andy Lawfee.

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Good evening, Council.

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Connie Lanzacera, Mission BAHO.

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At the April 8th, 2025 City Council meeting, Mayor Rich told the public that the FLOx Safety ALPR system had been discussed during prior City Council meetings alleging that the public had time.

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to review and speak about this surveillance system.

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I have scoured all City Council agendas from January 1, 24 through April 8, 25 and

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not have found one single time the flock APL, APL system was agendized.

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Allowing the public to speak of the surveillance system, I believe the allegations presented

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by the City Council that the system was discussed by the Council is false.

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I have subsequently filed a public records request for any and all agenda items that have taken place between January 24th and April 8th 25.

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Maybe I miss something in my research and I will wait the city's response to my inquiry.

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I am not talking about random discussions that were brought up by people here.

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I am talking about agenda items.

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Insight Quotation 0228

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2-9-6-9-5-0 that became a contract, details 44, Falcon, Falcon, ALPR, fixed cameras, and 10

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Condor PTZ cameras, video cameras. During Paul Kassamanis, sorry for ruining that, April

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8, 25 presentation on the contract, he never mentioned the 10 PTZ video cameras. He only

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They mentioned the 44 fixed ALPRs.

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This is a gross misrepresentation of the contract that the Council approved.

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PTZ video cameras are live streaming and track people's movements in real time.

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The cameras also have audio capabilities that listen to and record conversations.

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This camera has nothing to do with reading license plates, as it is not focused on a choke point.

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This is pure surveillance of innocent people going about their daily lives.

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On January 12th, 2021, and January 9th, 2024, during Trish Kelly's goals for

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her new year's mayor, Trish stated that public safety was one of her top priorities.

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In her speech, as she mentioned, that she would partner with the then current chief of police services to hold public safety

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meeting, town hall meetings to focus on crime trends and combating crime.

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I issued a public records request asking for the dates and subject of all town hall meetings

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beginning in 21 and currently, to current.

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The response to my request was this, no applicable, applicable record is on file.

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I have not found one town hall meeting, again, proved me wrong.

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Trish also stated on January 9th, 24, that she was pleased to say that she would be acquiring

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the ALPL system. I wonder how she knew on January 9th, 2024 that we would soon be buying

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this system in the not- to- in the not- to- may be summarized.

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Okay. The bottom line is this. I want these contracts canceled. I do not want to live in

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a surveillance state, city that constantly records my everyday moments, movements, it is

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none of your business, where I go, what I do, and what I say.

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Next speaker is Andy Loppie, followed by Laura Loppie.

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Good evening, city council members.

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My name is Andy District One.

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We must ask ourselves why flat cameras and data centers are rapidly on the rise, why the

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The urgency to usher in a massive AI surveillance system.

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A surge, however, in terminating flock camera contracts have begun over privacy,

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internal misuse audits, and federal access concerns in over 100 US cities.

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San Francisco and LA found improper federal agency data queries after audits,

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where the LAPD had allowed its contract to expire in July 26th.

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For many, it is evident that privacy is the concern.

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Others who remain indifferent or in favor of giving away one's vehicle fingerprint for safety to private tech companies and

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geofence brokers, profiting off your data might think otherwise.

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While many argue ALPR cameras can legally view a public road, it is rather how data is collected and often shared.

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Primarily, lack of safeguards to prevent hacking and misuse like selling data to neural networks.

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The ones which collect and share personal information and are data to the hands of geolocation

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brokers.

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Flock's selling point is that these cameras only track license plates, not people.

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But in a flux contract, it states that it can upgrade their cameras any time, meaning

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facial recognition and phone tracking are at play.

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Flock uses a code called Associates.

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The upgrade code is for Flock's new AI investigation system.

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Please not only consult vehicle's color maker model but on behavior.

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Behavioral AI investigations have become the cause of many and warranted arrests.

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A woman drove in her own neighborhood too many times, became a suspect and was falsely arrested for stealing a package office someone's porch.

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It took her car's dash count to provide her innocence.

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As for the city of LA, there was a 32% misread rate in two months.

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with 160 false felony stops.

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All of these false reads suggest that artificial intelligence is the new sheriff in town and

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guiding innocent citizens.

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We become a person of interest, associated to crime by adding AI to the equation of Flax Network Logging.

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Surveillance has always been the end goal.

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Work system network upgrades will accelerate the control grid, which subjects innocent citizens. The new system must properly be fed.

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A.R. requires enormous amounts of data and computing power to identify patterns and predict behavior. The more we let computation of our data bill, the more sophisticated models can reach their ankle. Our compliance is needed for developing this grim future.

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It's my opinion that flock is a dystopian violation of our rights.

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With this, I respectfully ask the council to review its contract with flock and kindly

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add it to the agenda to allow further discussion.

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Thank you.

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Laura Loco, followed by Anthony Alia.

435
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,080
Good evening, council.

436
00:45:53,580 --> 00:45:54,180
I'm Laura Loco.

437
00:45:54,380 --> 00:45:55,240
I live in Micheleo.

438
00:45:55,980 --> 00:45:58,420
I would like to discuss just a couple of things.

439
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:04,720
First, I would like to support council members' suggestion of

440
00:46:05,340 --> 00:46:08,460
updating the city's integrated pest management program guidelines.

441
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,140
I support that, and I think that it's very smart, and it's good for the environment.

442
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:23,140
It's good for the children in the community, and it could help pretty much everywhere with the pest control and water and the access that it gets to into our water supply.

443
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:34,620
Next, I would like to suggest that the OSO Creek Vision Plan be put on hold just because we've got new members that are going to be coming in.

444
00:46:34,620 --> 00:46:36,840
in the next year, in the next few months.

445
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,480
And so I would like to say that those people should be put into the decision making

446
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:48,200
when it comes to the OSO plan, the OSO vision plan, and the Tribigo Wetlands Habitat.

447
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:49,340
That's a good idea.

448
00:46:49,660 --> 00:46:53,760
We've needed to do that because it was a mess up from the city that didn't do it correctly in the first place.

449
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,240
So I'm glad that's being addressed, but I would also like to suggest that there are groups at colleges,

450
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:04,580
like landscape students who possibly could come in and be in there as a volunteer

451
00:47:04,580 --> 00:47:09,540
to do the abatement of some of the invasive plants. I know my daughter is a

452
00:47:09,540 --> 00:47:13,720
landscape architect student at USC and they do these sorts of projects where

453
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:18,340
they join in with cities and go in and get the experience of what they're learning

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00:47:18,340 --> 00:47:24,080
about hands on. It's an option to be able to reduce the cost to the city, just a

455
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:29,900
thought. And finally, I would like to say is somebody who is, okay, who am I? I'm on the

456
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:39,080
Hunger Council of feeding America. I'm also a supporter of L.A. Food Bank and, oh my gosh,

457
00:47:39,460 --> 00:47:45,060
what's it called? Harvest, second harvest. I'm so sorry, you guys, my brain. It is kind

458
00:47:45,060 --> 00:47:50,500
of ironic to me that there are several people in this room that vote for people and support

459
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:55,500
people who have taken food away from children and take funding away from food for children.

460
00:47:56,220 --> 00:48:02,360
So I would like people to recognize that when they're doing these things like supporting Second Harvest, which is great.

461
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,780
I love it, but it's kind of a hypocrisy.

462
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:07,180
Thank you so much.

463
00:48:12,930 --> 00:48:15,590
Anthony Ilya, followed by Wiley Veron.

464
00:48:22,820 --> 00:48:26,800
Thank you, Mayor and City Council for the opportunity to speak tonight.

465
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:28,460
Some good news.

466
00:48:28,460 --> 00:48:33,100
My name is Anthony Leo, as I said, I live in Corcubian in Mission Viejo.

467
00:48:33,820 --> 00:48:41,660
And after the Eaton and Palisades fire happened to see a television documentary about some

468
00:48:41,660 --> 00:48:43,420
of the causes and some of the effects.

469
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:49,600
And one of the things that struck me was that we live in Mission Viejo, which the mayor

470
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,800
mentioned is also an area where we can have fires whether we want them or not.

471
00:48:54,220 --> 00:48:57,140
And so I picked up the phone and I called the Water Department.

472
00:48:57,140 --> 00:49:04,580
And I already knew the answer, but I said, can you tell me the last time the fire hydrants were inspected?

473
00:49:05,860 --> 00:49:12,260
Can you tell me the last time that the underground water valves were inspected?

474
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:15,080
2019.

475
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:22,700
And I said, can you tell me why that program stopped because it was supposed to happen every two years?

476
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:27,500
And I already knew the answer, but I wanted to hear the water company tell me that due to

477
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:32,400
public opinion about wasting water during the drought, we just quit doing it.

478
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:35,360
We quit doing it.

479
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:44,600
I'm a volunteer advisor to the Oso Valley Hometers Association, 6,800 homes, which I mentioned

480
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:45,880
that to the water department.

481
00:49:46,340 --> 00:49:50,160
And I said, we would very much like you to start your program again.

482
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:59,220
and I called back two weeks later and I gave the city clerk the information about Ben

483
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:29,940
You can contact by email or by a telephone and whoever is responsible at the city for infrastructure. Get them to put the entire city on a schedule to have the hydrants inspected and the water valves inspected. So we found out that a number of hydrants needed to be refurbished, but even more important. Under our feet, the infrastructure, until I was in commercial real estate for

484
00:50:29,940 --> 00:50:37,540
40 years, so I know about this stuff. The water valves have an on-off component and this

485
00:50:37,540 --> 00:50:42,620
is what it looks like. And the fire department or the water department sticks a tool in there

486
00:50:42,620 --> 00:50:46,040
to turn it on and off. Well guess what, they're all out around.

487
00:50:48,460 --> 00:50:50,040
So in our neighborhood, they're

488
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:56,760
all replaced. And it was done the day before I called back two weeks later. And I went out

489
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:03,940
on the street and there are all these chalk marks and an area about this big where the

490
00:51:03,940 --> 00:51:07,140
asphalt was dug up and the guys replaced the water boughs.

491
00:51:09,980 --> 00:51:14,700
So who's going to do it at the city? Who's going to pick up the phone and ask the water

492
00:51:14,700 --> 00:51:20,240
department to finish the job? You got my phone number? You got my email address.

493
00:51:22,340 --> 00:51:22,980
I want

494
00:51:22,980 --> 00:51:26,640
I want to know that this city is safe, my time is just about up.

495
00:51:26,860 --> 00:51:32,960
The last thing I want to tell you is that all over Southern California, we're from Ohio originally.

496
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:39,360
We've been here since 1990, but I'm just stunned at the lack of fire prevention in building homes around here.

497
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,000
No closed eaves.

498
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:46,000
The biggest thing you can do in any area for single family members.

499
00:51:46,780 --> 00:51:50,620
Close the eaves and put a smoke arrestor on top of the chimney.

500
00:51:50,620 --> 00:51:51,880
Thank you.

501
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,840
Sir, the microphone's been turned off.

502
00:51:56,380 --> 00:51:57,760
We're going to our next speaker.

503
00:52:00,180 --> 00:52:04,200
Please go ahead and hand that to the clerk and we'll get an answer to you.

504
00:52:04,540 --> 00:52:05,400
Thank you so much.

505
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:06,580
Thanks for your time.

506
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:07,260
Thank you.

507
00:52:09,260 --> 00:52:15,860
Our next speaker is going to be Wiley Farron, followed by Jen Jill Schindler.

508
00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:23,230
Hope this doesn't come to my time.

509
00:52:27,490 --> 00:52:29,850
Out of there, I am back again, Wiley Fan,

510
00:52:30,210 --> 00:52:31,550
fan and resident of Mission Viejo.

511
00:52:32,450 --> 00:52:34,450
Fear four into the flock, camera smackdown.

512
00:52:35,070 --> 00:52:36,970
I think I came on a little too strong last time,

513
00:52:37,370 --> 00:52:39,770
Costa Mica, Costa Masta, police stalking,

514
00:52:40,270 --> 00:52:42,510
data breaches, sorry, I got a little too passionate.

515
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:44,730
So today I thought I would try a new angle

516
00:52:44,730 --> 00:52:46,630
that's a little less divisive, a little less provocative.

517
00:52:49,250 --> 00:52:51,710
Racism, let's have the white man talk about racism real quick.

518
00:52:52,130 --> 00:52:52,730
Are we racist?

519
00:52:53,330 --> 00:52:55,550
Are we the people of Mission Viejo racist?

520
00:52:57,290 --> 00:53:00,390
They don't look too racist to me, but if you were to take a look at where our

521
00:53:00,390 --> 00:53:04,310
flock cameras are located, someone might think otherwise. The reason I say that is

522
00:53:04,310 --> 00:53:07,850
because there are three flock cameras located in the Home Depot parking lot

523
00:53:07,850 --> 00:53:12,330
on Hillcrest. Three flock cameras specifically targeting Hispanic and Latino

524
00:53:12,330 --> 00:53:16,310
day workers, day laborers who are just trying to do an honest day's work. They're

525
00:53:16,310 --> 00:53:20,330
not the people who are coming from South America to attack us and gangs. They're

526
00:53:20,330 --> 00:53:25,310
just honest people trying to make money to provide for their families. I see that

527
00:53:25,310 --> 00:53:26,290
I'm losing you guys a little bit.

528
00:53:26,410 --> 00:53:27,130
Let me change the angles.

529
00:53:27,470 --> 00:53:29,130
I don't know why I thought races would be a good topic

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00:53:29,130 --> 00:53:29,590
to lead with.

531
00:53:29,830 --> 00:53:30,410
Let me change angles.

532
00:53:31,150 --> 00:53:31,430
Perfect.

533
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:33,690
Now I can talk to these lovely people and the camera.

534
00:53:35,490 --> 00:53:36,910
So let's try to do angle.

535
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:38,530
The root of all evil.

536
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:39,270
Money.

537
00:53:40,690 --> 00:53:42,350
The members of this council are not stupid.

538
00:53:42,690 --> 00:53:44,530
In fact, you guys have some serious financial acumen.

539
00:53:46,610 --> 00:53:49,490
Self-starting entrepreneurs, fall small-time business owners.

540
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:51,790
And mission vehicles run a budget surplus

541
00:53:51,790 --> 00:53:52,830
for the last couple of years.

542
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:54,070
Great job, gang.

543
00:53:54,070 --> 00:53:58,970
So, I trust you guys as financial intuition and financial judgment.

544
00:54:00,070 --> 00:54:04,030
And so, I trust you guys when you look at the placement of these flock cameras to not

545
00:54:04,030 --> 00:54:07,850
spend money frivolously and waste it on these high-tech cameras that aren't going to

546
00:54:07,850 --> 00:54:10,670
be monitoring anything valuable, just monitoring dead spots.

547
00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:16,290
So, it's a little weird that there are two flock cameras monitoring fair haven memorial service

548
00:54:16,290 --> 00:54:21,490
on center drive, monitoring corpses and mourners going to funerals.

549
00:54:22,410 --> 00:54:24,890
Maybe there's some crime statistics I'm not aware of.

550
00:54:25,170 --> 00:54:29,350
Maybe mourners are out committing car jackings and stealing cattle at converters.

551
00:54:29,790 --> 00:54:31,370
Maybe there's a rising zombie crime.

552
00:54:32,030 --> 00:54:37,630
Or maybe it's because Fairhaven Memorial Service is about a football field away from the

553
00:54:37,630 --> 00:54:39,830
home depot on Hillcrest.

554
00:54:40,130 --> 00:54:41,470
Yep, we're bringing it back to racism.

555
00:54:44,130 --> 00:54:46,130
You know, I've got a little ahead of myself.

556
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:51,490
The chief of police Jason, I think he's here, spoke last week and said, quote, these cameras

557
00:54:51,490 --> 00:54:55,510
are deployed at the main entrances to the city and cameras are deployed throughout busy

558
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:59,830
intersections in the city. I think that may have been a lie because last I checked.

559
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:24,940
The parking lot of a home depot is not really a major artery for traffic in Mission Viejo. Another thing, there's about 50 cameras in Mission Viejo. That means 10% of all Mission Viejo cameras are located in this single parking lot. I hope this parking lot's a hotbed for criminal activity, because otherwise it looks like we're either racist, bad with money, or don't really care about protecting the people of Mission Viejo. Please remove the floor cameras. Thank you.

560
00:55:31,110 --> 00:55:35,210
Our next speaker is going to be Kathy Palmer, followed by Carolyn Gatto.

561
00:55:35,210 --> 00:55:36,270
So I

562
00:55:38,670 --> 00:55:43,530
think you missed somebody who had mentioned she had come up to speak with me.

563
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:44,710
So she's going to go later on.

564
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:45,170
Excuse me.

565
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:45,550
Thank you.

566
00:55:52,990 --> 00:55:55,370
The tall people were here before me.

567
00:55:56,650 --> 00:56:00,810
Hi, I'm Kathy Palmer, a longtime resident of Mission Viejo.

568
00:56:01,470 --> 00:56:12,750
And I'm here to ask that our public safety officials give a public service announcement about cooling centers for

569
00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:14,290
more vulnerable populations.

570
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:22,450
When I came to the City Council meeting tonight, according to my car, it was 99 degrees out at 6 o'clock.

571
00:56:22,670 --> 00:56:28,370
That heat wave is lasting at least through Thursday, perhaps through Friday.

572
00:56:29,570 --> 00:56:32,770
I'm lucky, I can afford to run my air conditioning.

573
00:56:33,650 --> 00:56:40,790
I have the means to come to cooling centers, but there are people who don't have that luxury.

574
00:56:40,790 --> 00:56:51,590
and I would like the city to do some outreach to make sure people know that there are places they can go, especially at night to stay cool.

575
00:56:51,850 --> 00:56:52,410
Thank you.

576
00:56:56,900 --> 00:56:57,860
Carolyn Gatto.

577
00:57:02,620 --> 00:57:03,260
Good evening.

578
00:57:03,660 --> 00:57:07,000
My name is Carolyn Gatto and I live in Mission Viejo.

579
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,700
As you know, we are 56 days away from the midterm elections.

580
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:17,840
As many as five city council seats have the potential to be turned over to new members.

581
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,680
members. Anyone who is new to the council should not be expected to carry the potential

582
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:29,740
burden of overseeing projects or administering expenditures that were decided on in the

583
00:57:29,740 --> 00:57:36,080
closing weeks before the election. Projects and expenditures that they may fundamentally

584
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:41,800
disagree with. For that reason, I propose an immediate moratorium on approval of capital

585
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:47,020
expense projects until after the new council members have been seated next year.

586
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:54,400
Let's call it the Mitch McConnell rule. You know how that works. Once election day draws

587
00:57:54,400 --> 00:58:01,900
too close, the status quo should take precedence if he can do it so can you. Thank you.

588
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:12,360
That is our last in-person request to speak for non-agenda items. It looks like the one

589
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:17,700
speaker we had on zoom is no longer raising their hand so that's all I have.

590
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:19,700
Thank you.

591
00:58:27,620 --> 00:58:33,000
I just want to address just a couple of things really quickly. I would

592
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:39,540
like our chief to address if there are cameras on properties that do not

593
00:58:39,540 --> 00:58:41,720
belong to the city is that possibility.

594
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,600
Yes Mayor thank you and good evening city

595
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:52,020
council members, it was brought up home depot having OPR cameras.

596
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:58,480
Those are not city owned OPR cameras, home depot privately purchased OPR cameras as well as lows.

597
00:58:59,260 --> 00:59:04,200
And the reasoning behind that was the amount of theft that was taking place at home depot on a monthly basis.

598
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:10,580
That the organization itself privately purchased OPR cameras for their businesses.

599
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:21,280
Also, can you advise if HOAs can purchase, I know there was a question about a camera that was located off of one of our main areas.

600
00:59:21,580 --> 00:59:24,820
Can you advise if HOAs are purchasing these as well?

601
00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:29,240
Yeah, correct. HOAs are purchasing them. Gated communities are purchasing them.

602
00:59:30,060 --> 00:59:39,040
Private neighborhoods are also purchasing them. So, although they may be off the main streets and out of our main entrances and exits,

603
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:44,600
private businesses are actively purchasing block cameras for their neighborhoods.

604
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,060
Okay, thank you, I just wanted to clarify that.

605
00:59:47,980 --> 00:59:51,520
And then also, I appreciate the comment on the cooling centers.

606
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:59,960
I know that that information does go out and staff, could you advise if you have put any notifications out or if there's a plan to do more?

607
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,400
Yeah, in fact, I just confirmed with Robert. He can, Robert, you want to touch on what we have done?

608
01:00:11,590 --> 01:00:31,630
Yes, thank you. We have posted that a few times and we certainly can't do so again. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate that. Let's do that ASAP. It was hot, driving, and I can adjust to that. Okay. Next up, we have the consent calendar. Does any city clerk, are there any requests to speak for any items that are on the consent calendar?

609
01:00:32,610 --> 01:00:36,370
I received no in-person requests, and I don't see any via Zoom.

610
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:37,370
Thank you.

611
01:00:37,950 --> 01:00:40,070
Colleagues, is anybody interested in pulling anything?

612
01:00:40,070 --> 01:00:41,550
If not, I'll take a motion.

613
01:00:44,980 --> 01:00:47,140
I move approval of the consent calendar.

614
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:48,480
Second.

615
01:00:49,060 --> 01:00:49,640
Thank you.

616
01:00:49,820 --> 01:00:50,600
Any further comment?

617
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:52,560
Go ahead and register your votes.

618
01:00:55,500 --> 01:00:56,880
Thank you.

619
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:11,150
Okay, that is unanimous.

620
01:01:13,210 --> 01:01:15,850
Next up, we have for new business.

621
01:01:15,850 --> 01:01:21,990
We have the third amendment to the Employment Agreement for Assistant City Manager, Director

622
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:28,610
of Public Services, Jerry Hill, could I plead, are there any request to speak from our

623
01:01:28,610 --> 01:01:28,950
public?

624
01:01:29,410 --> 01:01:30,490
Not on this item, no.

625
01:01:30,990 --> 01:01:31,430
Thank you.

626
01:01:32,210 --> 01:01:33,450
Can I get a staff report?

627
01:01:36,010 --> 01:01:38,190
Good evening, Madam Mayor and Council Members.

628
01:01:38,650 --> 01:01:42,290
My name is Monique Gets and I'm the HR Manager with the City of Mission Viejo and I'll be

629
01:01:42,290 --> 01:01:44,370
giving the staff report on this subject tonight.

630
01:01:44,370 --> 01:02:04,290
On June 25th of 2024, the City Council appointed Mr. Jerry Hill to the position of assistant city manager and also the dual position of director of public services for the remainder of this old report, I'm going to refer to the title as assistant city manager just for brevity.

631
01:02:04,290 --> 01:02:11,290
On December 9th of 2025, the Council approved the first amendment to Mr. Hill's employment

632
01:02:11,290 --> 01:02:17,970
agreement and then on January 27th of 2026, the Council approved a second amendment to

633
01:02:17,970 --> 01:02:19,650
Mr. Hill's employment agreement.

634
01:02:20,910 --> 01:02:26,630
Pursuant to Section 7 of that employment agreement, the City Council may increase the

635
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:32,570
Assistant City Manager's annual-based salary and or benefits following an annual evaluation

636
01:02:32,570 --> 01:02:34,230
performed by the city manager.

637
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:41,330
The city manager has concluded the fiscal year 25-26 evaluation process for the assistant

638
01:02:41,330 --> 01:02:44,550
city manager and has made suggestions to the council.

639
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:52,790
On August 25th of 2026, council gave direction to staff during closed session to make proposed

640
01:02:52,790 --> 01:02:58,370
amendments to Mr. Hill's employment agreement and to bring a third amendment to a future council

641
01:02:58,370 --> 01:02:58,710
meeting.

642
01:02:58,710 --> 01:03:04,770
That is the agreement that you have in front of you tonight to discuss and to vote on.

643
01:03:05,450 --> 01:03:16,110
The third amendment in front of you reflects a base salary increase in the amount of 4% to be effective back to July 1st of 2026.

644
01:03:16,670 --> 01:03:28,210
And a one time lump sum discretionary bonus in the amount of $2,607.89 that would be payable to Mr. Hill on December 11th of

645
01:03:30,250 --> 01:03:46,050
The 4% salary increase will change Mr. Hill's annual salary from $260,789 to $271,220, which is an increase of $10,432.

646
01:03:46,790 --> 01:03:50,990
All other items and conditions of its employment remain the same.

647
01:03:50,990 --> 01:03:58,090
There are sufficient resources in the fiscal year 2627 adopted budget to absorb the proposed

648
01:03:58,090 --> 01:03:59,770
additional personnel costs.

649
01:04:00,730 --> 01:04:07,870
And then as for formality on August 10th of 2011, California Code of Regulations Title

650
01:04:07,870 --> 01:04:16,750
2, Section 570.05 was enacted and amendments were made to sections 571 subdivision B.

651
01:04:16,750 --> 01:04:28,030
These modifications require the city to adopt a publicly available pay schedule that identifies the position, title, pay rate for all city of mission via who employee ease.

652
01:04:28,550 --> 01:04:33,330
Pay schedules must not reference another document in lieu of disclosing the pay rate.

653
01:04:33,930 --> 01:04:43,190
The current salary schedule adopted by the council on May 26th of 2026 with an effective date of July 1st of 2026.

654
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:47,950
provides sufficient movement in the assistant city manager salary range to

655
01:04:47,950 --> 01:04:52,390
accommodate the recommended base salary increase. Therefore I don't have a

656
01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:57,710
revised salary schedule in front of you tonight. That concludes my oral report

657
01:04:57,710 --> 01:04:59,830
and I am here to answer any questions you might have.

658
01:05:00,500 --> 01:05:03,960
Thank you. Colleagues, any questions, comments?

659
01:05:08,220 --> 01:05:10,080
Okay, thank you. Council Member Kelly.

660
01:05:12,530 --> 01:05:34,450
Yes. Thank you for the report. And I'd just like to take the opportunity to let our residents know how fortunate we are to have Mr. Hill working with us here in Mission Viejo. He comes with a lot of experience, a lot of talent.

661
01:05:34,450 --> 01:05:55,530
I don't know if you noticed, but he wears two hats, he's doing two positions, and so I'm very appreciative of Mr. Hill and the work he does with us here in Mission Viejo, and I will move the recommended action.

662
01:05:58,270 --> 01:06:00,960
seconded. Any further comments?

663
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:04,260
Go ahead everyone just your vote.

664
01:06:09,890 --> 01:06:11,430
Okay that is unanimous.

665
01:06:11,630 --> 01:06:13,970
Thank you Jerry for all your hard work we appreciate it.

666
01:06:16,340 --> 01:06:18,660
Okay next we have the Tribute

667
01:06:18,660 --> 01:06:27,200
Co-Wetlands Rehabilitation and if we could do we have any public recommence on this one?

668
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,560
We do have one request to speak from someone in person by the name of Kathy Palmer.

669
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:32,120
Okay.

670
01:06:45,690 --> 01:06:47,430
I'm still a county Palmer.

671
01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:55,430
And before starting, I just want to remind the council members that if any of you have

672
01:06:55,430 --> 01:07:06,070
taken campaign contributions from the NIEVs landscaping company or the baseline engineering

673
01:07:06,070 --> 01:07:13,470
company since you filed your last reports that you need to refuse yourself from this agenda

674
01:07:13,470 --> 01:07:13,870
item.

675
01:07:16,270 --> 01:07:23,610
I'm going to speak in support of it, but I'm also going to use this time to support Cynthia

676
01:07:23,610 --> 01:07:30,110
Vasquez agenda item 8 to update our integrated pest management program.

677
01:07:30,670 --> 01:07:37,330
The use of toxic pesticides and herbicides is becoming more and more of an issue.

678
01:07:37,330 --> 01:07:50,330
We have children with very rare cancers, a cluster in La Dera Ranch, and many of those can often be attributed to environmental factors.

679
01:07:51,350 --> 01:08:04,530
I also want to strongly oppose council members Gdell's proposal to lock a new council in to carrying out a six year plan that they may or may not agree with.

680
01:08:05,230 --> 01:08:13,830
As far as agenda item six goes, I am all in favor of any and all wetland rehabilitation.

681
01:08:16,250 --> 01:08:24,330
I love watching the birds in Osso Creek, the water birds, even though I'm really not a water bird person, but I'd like to see in them.

682
01:08:25,210 --> 01:08:33,350
But I also just want to point out that irony of being required to spend at least $500,000 for the project.

683
01:08:33,350 --> 01:08:56,750
but because of the highway construction debris that was hauled in to create lower Curtis Park, which, again, Councilmember Godell, in particular promoted as a free use to create a park, which we're not even sure if that will ever happen.

684
01:08:57,510 --> 01:09:05,790
So as it turns out, this free park is going to cost, it sounds like the city tax payers,

685
01:09:06,170 --> 01:09:11,770
at least 250,000, and the golf course, another 250,000.

686
01:09:12,130 --> 01:09:14,510
So sometimes free is not so free.

687
01:09:15,050 --> 01:09:21,810
But I am all in favor of any and all wetland mitigation that can be done.

688
01:09:22,130 --> 01:09:22,530
Thank you.

689
01:09:22,530 --> 01:09:23,450
Okay,

690
01:09:28,420 --> 01:09:30,220
can we get a staff report, please?

691
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:39,380
Yeah, our public works direct to Rich, less enjoyable, give us a good evening, Madam Mayor, members of the council.

692
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:46,700
As part of the requirement to grade an import soil and to lower Curtis Park, the San Diego Regional Water Quality Control Board,

693
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:55,600
the California Department of Fish and Wildlife and the US Army Corps engineers are requiring the city to perform habitat environmental restoration.

694
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:59,960
on a parcel land by the county of Orange located in the-

695
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:29,700
The Royal Tribute Code just north of the Royal Tribunal Golf Club has mitigation to compensate for the loss of wetlands within Lower Curtis Park. The restoration work consists of the removal of non-native vegetation, minor grading, and the planting of native vegetation. In addition, do the fact that there is a delay in obtaining authorization from the county of Orange to perform the restoration work. The San Diego Regional Water Quality Control Board is also requiring the city to perform additional

696
01:10:29,700 --> 01:10:35,540
capital habitat, environmental restoration at the Oso Creek Golf Course as mitigation

697
01:10:35,540 --> 01:10:37,780
for the habitat temporal loss.

698
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:44,060
The proposed work at the Oso Creek Golf Course consists of removing an existing low flow,

699
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:51,160
concrete channel, dredging one of the existing ponds, minor grading, and planting to establish

700
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,360
wetland and riparian habitat.

701
01:10:53,980 --> 01:10:58,420
The proposed improvements at the Oso Creek Golf Course will not affect the playable areas

702
01:10:58,420 --> 01:10:59,440
of the golf course.

703
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:05,180
The improvements are anticipated to enhance habitat functions and improve the visual aesthetics

704
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,800
of the area within the golf course.

705
01:11:08,460 --> 01:11:12,400
Work on the Royal Turbica Restoration site is already underway.

706
01:11:13,540 --> 01:11:17,800
And the work at the Ose Creek Golf Course Restoration site is ready to begin.

707
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:25,320
The approval of these agreements in the amount of $280,000 in the Ebis landscape and $180,000

708
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:30,220
to biceeline engineering is necessary to provide funding to complete these projects.

709
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,760
That concludes my report and I'm happy to answer any questions.

710
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:36,840
Thank you.

711
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,640
Colleagues, do we have any comments or questions on this?

712
01:11:45,900 --> 01:11:47,440
Okay, Mayor Pro Temgi-Dell.

713
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:55,000
I'll just comment that this,

714
01:11:58,550 --> 01:12:05,090
some of these requirements were just created due to something that was unforeseen in the lower Curtis Park.

715
01:12:05,090 --> 01:12:12,950
and that was a rise in the water table of 20 feet and that rise in the water which we still

716
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:18,370
don't know where that water came from, but it rose from the time we started the project

717
01:12:18,370 --> 01:12:24,350
till the time we stopped the project where it is because that rise in the water table caused

718
01:12:24,350 --> 01:12:32,590
some of the earth to slip to move a little bit. So in the interest of safety we had to put

719
01:12:32,590 --> 01:12:39,110
put in high droggers to drain that site and that created a situation on the border with the county's property.

720
01:12:40,130 --> 01:12:48,630
And created this situation where we had to mitigate those impacts on an off-site location.

721
01:12:49,010 --> 01:12:51,650
So some things you just can't foresee.

722
01:12:52,410 --> 01:12:59,930
And that's the risk you take when you go forward with projects that you never know what can happen.

723
01:13:00,130 --> 01:13:02,010
So I'll leave it with that.

724
01:13:02,010 --> 01:13:03,230
Thank you make

725
01:13:07,870 --> 01:13:15,010
a motion I don't see any other comments sure I'll move the recommended action

726
01:13:15,010 --> 01:13:21,910
Okay, I don't see any other comments so go ahead and register your votes

727
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:22,850
That

728
01:13:29,380 --> 01:13:31,100
is unanimous. Thank you very much.

729
01:13:33,170 --> 01:13:33,850
Okay

730
01:13:34,690 --> 01:13:35,030
All

731
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:41,120
right next we have

732
01:13:43,340 --> 01:13:48,240
Committee reports etc. I don't see anything in the packet city manager

733
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:49,980
Do you have anything you'd like to report on?

734
01:13:50,320 --> 01:14:06,080
Yeah, I would just like to mention and sort of ties into our first presentation tonight, that it looks very much like we have been successful in getting a wildfire mitigation funding and the order of about $850,000.

735
01:14:06,780 --> 01:14:11,860
So we are very excited and we'll put that to good use.

736
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:20,320
Did you want to know where it came from?

737
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:27,700
Yes, excuse me, that was, came through Senator Blake's office, and so we thank her very much for that, that is very good.

738
01:14:28,580 --> 01:14:29,340
Thank you.

739
01:14:30,540 --> 01:14:33,520
Okay, and is anything further, Madam City Manager?

740
01:14:34,420 --> 01:14:35,380
That's it for me, thank you.

741
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:35,680
Thank you.

742
01:14:36,420 --> 01:14:39,780
And then next we have our city attorney.

743
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:41,220
Do you have anything you'd like to report?

744
01:14:42,180 --> 01:14:46,080
I briefly expand on the Santa Maria abatement warrant.

745
01:14:46,700 --> 01:14:49,800
So the court gave us, gave the city two weeks to

746
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:53,560
to effectuate the warrant, which adds the next urgency to the city getting it done.

747
01:14:54,380 --> 01:14:55,160
Okay, great.

748
01:14:55,900 --> 01:14:56,540
Thank you.

749
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:10,180
Okay, next we have our councilmember comments. We'll start with councilmember and also just double checking your AB1234 reports. We'll have councilmember Kelly go first.

750
01:15:13,330 --> 01:15:31,410
Thank you. I haven't been as busy the last couple of weeks. I think things have slowed down now that school has started and life is getting a little bit back to normal. I did attend a CalCities Orange County division meeting.

751
01:15:31,410 --> 01:15:37,170
and Board of Directors, the election on August 27th.

752
01:15:37,170 --> 01:15:43,450
I am a member of that board and did represent the city at that event.

753
01:15:43,950 --> 01:15:54,210
I also attended on August 28th, the Capo Valley High School opening season football game,

754
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:56,650
which took place in the brand new stadium.

755
01:15:56,650 --> 01:16:05,790
It was beautiful and very good to be there to support one of our mission V.A. Ho's schools.

756
01:16:07,470 --> 01:16:16,150
I see that there are quite a few events coming up the next couple of weeks and

757
01:16:16,150 --> 01:16:24,610
And gosh, three or four of them coming up right on Saturday, September 12th.

758
01:16:24,690 --> 01:16:30,550
There is a repair cafe event from 8.30 to 1 at the Norman P. Murray Community Center.

759
01:16:30,690 --> 01:16:37,530
And this is a time when you may bring things to that event to help to get them repaired.

760
01:16:38,290 --> 01:16:48,530
Also on September 12th there is ails and tails at 2 o'clock in the celebration garden which is on the Osal Creek Trail.

761
01:16:51,030 --> 01:16:57,670
Also on September 12th there is a movie in the park at Crude of a Park.

762
01:16:57,890 --> 01:17:02,970
It's goat and that is at 5 o'clock. There are two other movies in the park.

763
01:17:02,970 --> 01:17:11,850
events coming up. So I just encourage you to check your calendar. Also this Friday, September 11th,

764
01:17:12,530 --> 01:17:19,710
there will be at Mission Viejo High School, a mission for heroes game, football game. And this

765
01:17:19,710 --> 01:17:27,130
is a time when the high school recognizes our first responders and honors them and also honors

766
01:17:27,130 --> 01:17:36,510
our military men and women and we will be, they will be honoring 10 of our current active

767
01:17:36,510 --> 01:17:43,570
duty Marines. I attended a Marine Adoption Committee meeting today and learned that there

768
01:17:43,570 --> 01:17:49,690
will be 10 of our active duty Marines here at that game and they will be honored as well

769
01:17:49,690 --> 01:17:55,950
as some of our firefighters and law enforcement police services officers.

770
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:58,190
That concludes my report.

771
01:17:58,430 --> 01:17:58,790
Thank you.

772
01:18:00,150 --> 01:18:01,110
Thank you.

773
01:18:02,110 --> 01:18:03,170
Council Member Rish.

774
01:18:04,730 --> 01:18:05,990
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

775
01:18:07,530 --> 01:18:11,550
Much like Council Member Kelly, a rather brief report in terms of things.

776
01:18:13,450 --> 01:18:15,530
I do have to report today.

777
01:18:15,530 --> 01:18:22,590
was at the Chamber of Commerce and they have said they'll be issuing a email

778
01:18:22,590 --> 01:18:27,730
campaign that on October the 15th they'll be accounted it for them at Norman

779
01:18:27,730 --> 01:18:32,290
P. Murray they'll be more information to come out I think it starts at seven o'clock

780
01:18:33,410 --> 01:18:37,250
so look for that it'd be kind of an interesting time to meet all the people

781
01:18:37,250 --> 01:18:42,990
running for office. I'm very curious about table tennis. I was wondering if we could

782
01:18:42,990 --> 01:18:48,010
get kind of an extended report on that. I mean, they talk about they've got a room.

783
01:18:48,150 --> 01:18:52,950
Sounds like they need more. A lot of excitement there. So if we could get some information,

784
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:57,530
maybe from community services, just a little bit about what they do. I look forward to

785
01:18:57,530 --> 01:18:59,730
that and we could get back to us at a later date.

786
01:19:01,770 --> 01:19:06,690
One last thing, Madam Mayor, I think it's

787
01:19:06,690 --> 01:19:12,110
It's the flock camera issue is obviously of great concern to many of our residents.

788
01:19:12,670 --> 01:19:16,650
And I was hoping that we could get a more extended report on that.

789
01:19:16,830 --> 01:19:23,830
And I'm thinking some of the things are understanding what cameras that we have, the type, their capability.

790
01:19:24,130 --> 01:19:30,050
I mean, I'm hearing we can read license plates, but I'm also hearing they can read people.

791
01:19:30,250 --> 01:19:34,610
They can hear us just to be able to understand what is and isn't.

792
01:19:34,610 --> 01:19:36,290
I think would be really good.

793
01:19:36,810 --> 01:19:46,270
I'd like to understand our costs, the length of the contract, and certainly the successes

794
01:19:46,990 --> 01:19:47,730
and the failures.

795
01:19:47,970 --> 01:19:52,790
But I think I'd like to know if we can from our police services, some of the successes,

796
01:19:52,790 --> 01:19:57,170
because I think everything is wait and I'm really interested in that.

797
01:19:57,670 --> 01:19:59,950
And the last thing I wrote down was...

798
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:28,220
Data acquisition, and I think that would fit in with capabilities as well. So, if we could get back to us with that, by other question, I think it was well answered is there seems a proliferation of cameras, but yeah, if they're on private property, they generally belong to those people. The Home Depot ones, I happen to know because I know the company that makes them. And that's just their private business. But for the things that we do are public wants to know, and I really would like to be able to have that.

799
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:33,100
That's it, thank you.

800
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:33,660
Thank you.

801
01:20:34,220 --> 01:20:39,920
Next, we have Council Member Vasquez, and you have a potential update to the city's

802
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,060
Integrated Pest Management Program Guidelines.

803
01:20:42,540 --> 01:20:46,420
Yes, so I will go ahead and read the agenda report.

804
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:53,500
In response to recent information regarding cancer clusters in Ladara Ranch, I have received

805
01:20:53,500 --> 01:20:57,660
Inquiries about the City of Mission VA hosts use and management of pesticides.

806
01:20:58,540 --> 01:21:16,880
While pesticide use may be necessary in certain circumstances to effectively manage public spaces and address specific health, safety, and maintenance concerns, we should continue looking for ways to reduce unnecessary exposure and strengthen protections for the health and safety of our residents.

807
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:23,080
The City of Irvine's comprehensive approach to pesticide management provides a strong model

808
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,080
and standard for consideration.

809
01:21:25,820 --> 01:21:30,900
I have had the opportunity to compare Mission Viejo's Integrated Pest Management program

810
01:21:30,900 --> 01:21:36,060
guidelines with Irvines, and I'd like to have Mission Viejo's guidelines updated to provide

811
01:21:37,140 --> 01:21:42,920
residents with stronger protections, greater transparency, and clear safeguards regarding

812
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:43,880
pesticide use.

813
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:48,840
For brevity, below is a high level overview of the requested updates.

814
01:21:49,340 --> 01:21:53,360
A more comprehensive outline of the requested updates is also attached.

815
01:21:54,500 --> 01:21:59,400
Codify the city's website guidance that pesticides are not applied in park turf grass,

816
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:05,640
athletic fields, playgrounds, or other areas where people, particularly children, recreate.

817
01:22:06,380 --> 01:22:13,040
Strengthen the organic pesticide requirement by changing whenever fiscally practical and

818
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:19,100
Improvement to be the most effective to use organic pesticides first when pesticides are needed.

819
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:28,060
Add Water Quality Act, Clean Water Act allowed pesticides as an intermediate tier before EPA level three pesticides.

820
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:41,120
Strength and monitoring and record keeping by requiring regular monitoring and monthly records documenting pest activity, treatment options considered, effectiveness and costs.

821
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:48,120
Require an annual IPM report to the City Council summarizing pesticide use and related information.

822
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:57,160
Add public notice requirements like Irvine's, including advance notice posting after applications and temporary barriers when appropriate.

823
01:22:58,100 --> 01:23:08,460
Strengthen application documentation and approve requirements, including the pesticide concentration, application rate, reentry time and site specific schedule.

824
01:23:08,460 --> 01:23:15,180
Required documentation that non-chemical alternatives were considered before pesticide use.

825
01:23:15,700 --> 01:23:20,040
I'm not asking the city to adopt an organic pesticide policy.

826
01:23:20,460 --> 01:23:26,680
I'm asking for a stronger, more transparent IPM policy that prioritizes public safety,

827
01:23:27,380 --> 01:23:32,060
and public health and safety reduces unnecessary pesticide exposure,

828
01:23:32,060 --> 01:23:42,320
establishes clear safeguards for pesticide use, and gives residents greater visibility into where, when, where, and why pesticides are being used.

829
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:49,400
I believe these updates would strengthen public safety, provide greater transparency and accountability, and

830
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:54,500
give our residents stronger protections while allowing the city to effectively manage our public spaces.

831
01:23:55,180 --> 01:23:55,740
Thank you.

832
01:23:55,740 --> 01:24:01,260
Thank you, and I apologize I did not ask for a public comment before you get that report.

833
01:24:01,820 --> 01:24:04,380
So do we have public comment on this item, sorry about that?

834
01:24:04,780 --> 01:24:05,520
We do.

835
01:24:05,780 --> 01:24:06,040
Okay.

836
01:24:06,420 --> 01:24:09,620
We received three public comment requests for the specific item.

837
01:24:09,820 --> 01:24:12,120
The first one is going to be Michael Rothscher.

838
01:24:23,700 --> 01:24:24,400
Good evening.

839
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:25,280
I'm Michael Rothscher.

840
01:24:25,580 --> 01:24:30,840
A long time mission to be a Hill resident, Madam Mayor of Council members.

841
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:36,400
I just want to say that I think the reforms that Council member Vesca says put forth in

842
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:37,620
and her resolution are well written,

843
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:39,600
straightforward and quite reasonable.

844
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,280
I listened with interest at the last meeting

845
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:44,080
when I think it was the last meeting.

846
01:24:44,380 --> 01:24:47,400
You know, yeah, they kind of run together after a while.

847
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:48,540
I don't know if you guys feel that way.

848
01:24:49,300 --> 01:24:51,540
I believe it was Mr. Hill, perhaps,

849
01:24:52,060 --> 01:24:54,260
that gave an overview on our present policies

850
01:24:54,260 --> 01:24:55,980
and I came away feeling pretty good

851
01:24:56,700 --> 01:24:58,940
about how we are handling our pesticide use.

852
01:25:00,740 --> 01:25:16,960
But that doesn't mean that we can't or shouldn't try to do even better. Irvine has said a fine example with their program, and I think anything we can do to emulate that would be to our credit. I think this one's a no-brainer, and I urge you to vote in favor. Thank you.

853
01:25:20,630 --> 01:25:24,810
Our next speaker is Nicholas Valencia, followed by Bogdan Stalkia.

854
01:25:30,300 --> 01:25:35,800
Good evening, Madam Mayor, members of the council and dear neighbors.

855
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:42,880
You'll have to forgive me. I have a newborn at home and I'm running on caffeine and lack of sleep.

856
01:25:46,020 --> 01:25:50,540
So have a little something to share with you today.

857
01:25:53,500 --> 01:26:04,200
I spend a massive amount of time in our city sparks and they're usually the only place where my toddler son can burn enough energy to take an app.

858
01:26:05,460 --> 01:26:10,580
My family's life revolves around these public spaces, and if you have children or grandchildren

859
01:26:10,580 --> 01:26:13,120
of your own, probably yours too.

860
01:26:15,180 --> 01:26:20,360
We usually joke that a little dirt builds the immune system, but the recent news about

861
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:26,720
cancer clusters in our neighboring Ladera Ranch change how we look at these public spaces.

862
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:33,980
It was a stark reminder that we cannot wait for a tragedy on our own backyard before choosing

863
01:26:33,980 --> 01:26:40,480
to act. This is exactly why I'm here to fully support Councilwoman Vasquez proposal.

864
01:26:41,820 --> 01:26:47,580
This proposal is about preventive safety and basic transparency. We shouldn't have to

865
01:26:47,580 --> 01:26:53,480
play a guessing game or scour a municipal website to know if the fields or kids roll around

866
01:26:53,480 --> 01:26:58,340
are safe. To our council members, the decision you make tonight

867
01:26:58,340 --> 01:27:06,300
stands far beyond routine and directly impacts the health of our children and our grandchildren.

868
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,720
You have the opportunity to shape the legacy of the city,

869
01:27:10,540 --> 01:27:15,700
choosing proactive protection or reactive regret.

870
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,480
And to my fellow neighbors, thank you for being here tonight.

871
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:25,460
Remember that elections are coming up and our actions do matter. Thank you.

872
01:27:46,100 --> 01:27:54,620
Thank you for the opportunity to speak here today I've never been to one of these and to be honest I never thought I would maybe in my early 30s I was thinking maybe another decade or two.

873
01:27:55,200 --> 01:28:03,700
But I'm glad I'm here because I think it's for an important reason so I'm just here to echo the support of the proposal brought forward by council members Cynthia Vasquez.

874
01:28:04,740 --> 01:28:09,420
like Nikolas before me I have a toddler and an infant at home basically our

875
01:28:09,420 --> 01:28:13,440
weeks revolve around the parks here in Mission Viejo where they were pushing

876
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:16,960
strollers or sitting out on the grass we're spending an enormous amount of time

877
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:21,280
at these public spaces they're basically our backyard hearing about the health

878
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:26,240
concerns in nearby towns naturally made me pause as a parent of young children we

879
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:30,080
know it takes a lot of hard work to maintain our city we're just simply asking for

880
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,580
a few common-sense changes outlined in the proposal.

881
01:28:33,740 --> 01:28:35,920
Trying natural maintenance options first,

882
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:38,220
guaranteeing playgrounds stay chemical free,

883
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,420
and just giving folks a heads up when spring does happen.

884
01:28:42,500 --> 01:28:43,880
These are small tweaks to the rules,

885
01:28:44,140 --> 01:28:45,640
but for those of us raising kids,

886
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,540
it really makes the world's difference.

887
01:28:50,860 --> 01:28:53,600
It's a simple, proactive step to keep our parks safe,

888
01:28:53,740 --> 01:28:55,160
transparent, and enjoyable for everyone.

889
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:56,260
Thank you for listening,

890
01:28:56,540 --> 01:28:57,860
and thank you for your service, sir, city.

891
01:28:57,860 --> 01:28:58,780
That

892
01:29:02,970 --> 01:29:06,330
was the last in-person speaker request and I don't see any on Zoom.

893
01:29:06,930 --> 01:29:07,930
Thank you very much.

894
01:29:09,010 --> 01:29:09,490
Okay.

895
01:29:10,150 --> 01:29:11,930
Colleagues, do you have any questions?

896
01:29:12,470 --> 01:29:14,030
I would ask staff.

897
01:29:14,990 --> 01:29:19,950
I know that we had a speaker that came to the last meeting and I had asked for

898
01:29:19,950 --> 01:29:24,070
anything that could be done in response to what she requested.

899
01:29:24,990 --> 01:29:28,430
Any updates that you've been able to make as a result of her comments?

900
01:29:28,430 --> 01:29:49,750
Yes, Madam Mayor, we did hear the comments last week, and as I recall one of her major comments was that she wanted public notification so they can make choices of, you know, if we're applying a pesticide in a given park, maybe they have the opportunity to go to a different park.

901
01:29:50,290 --> 01:29:56,390
So what we've done is public services staff worked with our IT department and our community relations department.

902
01:29:56,390 --> 01:29:59,510
And now, and we now have on the,

903
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:23,900
The Internet on the public services web page, the ability to go to our IPM program, and you can click on pesticides use, and that will show you what's happening or what will happen in the next couple days, in any given location, at a park that we may be applying pesticides. And Corey, who's our operations manager, I think are we committed to a 48 hour notice?

904
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:35,000
Yes, we try to strive for 72 hours depends on when we get the records from our landscape

905
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:40,220
contractors, but the goal is 72, but sometimes it will definitely be 48 hours before.

906
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:40,960
Thank you.

907
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:41,620
Thank you.

908
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:47,940
And then we're also we've approved signage, our onsite signage that the landscapers will

909
01:30:47,940 --> 01:30:52,880
would begin using too. We've approved their verbiage how that's going to read in the field.

910
01:30:54,480 --> 01:31:00,260
Thank you. And when you say pesticide, I know that in our areas where people recreate,

911
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:07,220
when did we put into place the use of organic materials in those areas? Can you give an estimate?

912
01:31:07,700 --> 01:31:11,860
For the folks that were concerned, I think it would be good for them to know how many years

913
01:31:11,860 --> 01:31:14,440
ago this older city council approved that.

914
01:31:14,440 --> 01:31:43,200
We worked, I want to say 2016, I want to say 2016, so a decade ago, we worked with the University of California Cooperative Extension, PhDs at the South Coast Field Station in Irvine to put together our policy or in our guidelines, pesticide, IPM guidelines, and so they did the same thing with the city of Irvine that's the same people helped both of us put our policy together.

915
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:51,020
some very scientific-based group folks that I have a whole lot of respect for, always have.

916
01:31:51,460 --> 01:31:52,520
They were really good to work with.

917
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:55,340
So that's how it came about to what it is today.

918
01:31:56,260 --> 01:32:01,160
And it's always, in the industry standard, you always use the least toxic,

919
01:32:01,380 --> 01:32:05,160
be it organic or synthetic, organics can be toxic as well.

920
01:32:06,180 --> 01:32:09,620
And the opposite can be true for synthetics.

921
01:32:09,620 --> 01:32:17,520
But you always start with the least toxic pesticide or approach and then work your way up as needed.

922
01:32:18,140 --> 01:32:23,960
We have it, we don't spray any pesticides in the grass areas nor around the playgrounds.

923
01:32:26,450 --> 01:32:34,580
In the guidelines or Cynthia or councilman, women, best guys you mentioned to codify the guidelines.

924
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:38,340
I would just say that they are guidelines for a reason.

925
01:32:38,340 --> 01:32:43,600
We need a little flexibility as a professional staff, things come up.

926
01:32:44,900 --> 01:32:51,640
If we need to get in the grass and treat for red imported fire ants, we'll do that.

927
01:32:51,860 --> 01:32:57,020
But to codify that and just say no pesticides in the turf grass all the time,

928
01:32:57,780 --> 01:33:00,240
that's just not how a good maintenance program works.

929
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:03,400
In my professional opinion, we need a little flexibility.

930
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:10,580
Right, and I understand that, but that's not what this agenda item says, I'll give you an example.

931
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:16,880
On the city's website, it says, the city does not apply pesticides in park turf graph,

932
01:33:17,180 --> 01:33:22,340
grass athletic fields, playgrounds, or other areas where people, especially children, recreate.

933
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:27,980
But then if you look at the actual guidelines, the language is different.

934
01:33:27,980 --> 01:33:49,160
So, that's why I'm asking for that to be included and to be rewritten to say something along the lines of use of organic pesticides should be included and considered as the primary source for controlling pests in parks, turf grass areas, sports fields and playgrounds, whenever episcopically practical and proven to be the most effective.

935
01:33:49,900 --> 01:33:53,140
So, actually, I'm sorry, that is the current language.

936
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:59,180
And so, the other one is to change it to use organic pesticides first when pesticides

937
01:33:59,180 --> 01:34:00,080
are needed.

938
01:34:00,740 --> 01:34:06,720
So that would then indicate, hey, we're going to try the organics kind first and then

939
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:08,740
if we need to use the other one, then we will.

940
01:34:09,220 --> 01:34:16,020
But right now, the way that it reads is just saying, well, you know, we might use it if

941
01:34:16,020 --> 01:34:23,440
If it's, you know, fiscally practical, which doesn't sit well, especially with public safety.

942
01:34:25,670 --> 01:34:26,150
Okay.

943
01:34:26,530 --> 01:34:30,230
Well, I think it reads fines the way I wrote it and read it.

944
01:34:30,690 --> 01:34:34,710
But I'll give you an example of fiscal responsible being responsible.

945
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:41,490
We have a couple nasty weeds on the front slopes of the civic center right now facing Margaret Parkway.

946
01:34:41,870 --> 01:34:43,910
It's growing within our broad leaf ground cover.

947
01:34:43,910 --> 01:34:48,810
There's some nasty nut sedge and bermuda grass in there.

948
01:34:49,530 --> 01:34:54,450
Organically, we can't, organic herbicides are non selective,

949
01:34:54,850 --> 01:34:56,230
whatever hits it kills.

950
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:59,210
But it also, they don't translocate.

951
01:34:59,390 --> 01:34:59,910
It's a contact.

952
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:29,620
Act, kill. So it only kills what you see above ground, whereas the synthetics have the ability to be selective, depending on the herbicide. So we can go in and spray for a grass in a broadleaf environment, and the grass will be our target kill, whereas it won't harm the plant that we want to save. So that's really important. Otherwise, we'd be out there hand-pulling weeds, which we were last week, and we were not winning the battle. So that was our first choice of an organic approach.

953
01:35:29,620 --> 01:35:34,220
It's a cultural approach to try to get on top of the weeds, but it's just not being effective.

954
01:35:34,700 --> 01:35:37,320
Right, and I'm not saying that we can't use pesticides.

955
01:35:37,460 --> 01:35:42,140
I'm just saying that to add the language where it says that we will use organic pesticides first.

956
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:47,020
So, we did that, that didn't work, so then we moved on to something stronger.

957
01:35:47,700 --> 01:35:47,820
Right.

958
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:49,020
So that's what I'm saying.

959
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:55,840
Well, how it's worded, I mean, it's literally, is when pesticides are needed, use the following prioritized approach.

960
01:35:55,840 --> 01:36:00,780
But it, well, it's the first step, and that doesn't work, and you move on to something else.

961
01:36:00,980 --> 01:36:01,180
Correct.

962
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:01,680
Yes.

963
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:04,920
That's, well, are we in agreement?

964
01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:09,820
Well, but the thing is, is that that's not included in the language, in the guidelines right now.

965
01:36:11,440 --> 01:36:14,800
Well, I kind of think it is, but it's, I'm reading them right now.

966
01:36:15,540 --> 01:36:18,580
Since when pesticides are needed, use the following prioritization approach.

967
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:21,020
Organic pesticides, level three caution.

968
01:36:21,020 --> 01:36:29,540
EPA-level caution-labeled pesticides, only one deemed necessary to protect public health and economic impact by a licensed pest control advisor.

969
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:33,900
That's under the category of park tour grasses, sports fields and playgrounds.

970
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:46,320
Right, so right now, I'm just going with the very first part of this, so page one section A, that part where it starts with use of organic pesticides, et cetera.

971
01:36:47,180 --> 01:36:50,380
That's the language that I'm specifically talking about right now.

972
01:36:50,940 --> 01:36:54,600
And then as far as the level three, we can move on to that in a moment.

973
01:36:57,710 --> 01:37:04,670
So the first part is, again, page one, section A, and revising that language so

974
01:37:04,670 --> 01:37:11,270
that it clearly states that organics will be tried first, when pesticides are needed.

975
01:37:12,110 --> 01:37:14,870
So instead of the current language.

976
01:37:14,870 --> 01:37:23,150
I mean, the current language's use of organic pesticides should be included and considered as a primary source of controlling pests.

977
01:37:24,150 --> 01:37:30,150
In parks, turf grass areas, forest fields, and playgrounds, whenever fiscally practical, and proven to be the most effective.

978
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:43,770
Right, and that is the issue is whenever fiscally practical, which gives the public the impression that if it's too expensive, we're not going to use it, and we're going to use something else.

979
01:37:43,770 --> 01:37:50,370
So that's why I'm making the suggested change that would remove that type of language.

980
01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:56,250
I understand that, but we do have a budget that we need to operate within.

981
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:59,970
Yeah, but we have a lot of money to be spending on other projects.

982
01:38:00,130 --> 01:38:04,630
And I think that public safety is really important to spend a little bit on this too.

983
01:38:06,830 --> 01:38:12,370
Well, regardless of whether it's an organic or synthetic, we're going to keep the public in mind.

984
01:38:12,370 --> 01:38:13,710
and safe was, safety speaking.

985
01:38:14,350 --> 01:38:16,510
Okay, and I think the one way that we can start

986
01:38:16,510 --> 01:38:18,990
is by changing, updating this language.

987
01:38:21,610 --> 01:38:23,190
Okay, I'll take that as your comment.

988
01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:25,210
Okay.

989
01:38:27,810 --> 01:38:33,430
Okay, so the next person that I have speaking is Trish Kelly.

990
01:38:35,230 --> 01:38:36,290
Yes, thank you.

991
01:38:36,710 --> 01:38:38,350
I have nine grandchildren,

992
01:38:38,810 --> 01:38:41,830
and we do spend a lot of time in our city parks

993
01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:45,950
and on our city sports fields and our city facilities.

994
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:50,390
So I think everyone is concerned about safety.

995
01:38:51,410 --> 01:38:55,790
I just had a couple of questions, though, for Mr. Hill.

996
01:38:56,670 --> 01:39:03,110
Our guidelines are close to the city of Irvine's.

997
01:39:03,530 --> 01:39:05,070
How are they different?

998
01:39:05,980 --> 01:39:07,190
What are the differences?

999
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:13,730
There's not a whole lot of difference, be honest with you.

1000
01:39:14,250 --> 01:39:15,990
I've read them and reread them.

1001
01:39:18,570 --> 01:39:26,430
I'll offer this in their 2025 annual report, the City of Irvine, which is on their website.

1002
01:39:29,130 --> 01:39:34,070
Some of the excerpts include they have 61 parks in the great park.

1003
01:39:34,650 --> 01:39:38,070
The use of pesticides was necessary to keep up effective pest control in the parks.

1004
01:39:38,610 --> 01:39:40,250
synthetics are used to control weeds.

1005
01:39:41,050 --> 01:39:45,670
So I understand the stigma of Irvine being organic,

1006
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:48,950
but Irvine also recognizes that, you know what,

1007
01:39:49,110 --> 01:39:50,770
sometimes we need another tool in the toolbox.

1008
01:39:51,250 --> 01:39:52,770
So they're not entirely organic.

1009
01:39:52,910 --> 01:39:54,150
I just want to make that clear.

1010
01:39:56,980 --> 01:39:59,960
Okay, I'm just, she's using...

1011
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:12,000
Irvine is the example that we want to, that we want to follow. So I was just curious about exactly what the differences are there.

1012
01:40:13,220 --> 01:40:27,840
I had a couple of other questions. What do, let's see, you answered one. How long we've had at pesticide policy and it looks like it's been about 10 years or so. That's correct.

1013
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:29,240
Yes, ma'am.

1014
01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:39,560
Okay, the contractors and city employees are those who applied the pesticides and evaluate

1015
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:40,860
are they trained?

1016
01:40:42,300 --> 01:40:45,240
Yes, yes to answer your question.

1017
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:51,740
Before a pesticide is applied to any city property or any government property, you have

1018
01:40:51,740 --> 01:40:55,860
We have to have a licensed pest control advisor, right?

1019
01:40:56,580 --> 01:41:01,720
Some people refer to as a prescription to address a specific problem.

1020
01:41:02,540 --> 01:41:04,820
Okay, so you're going after you have a weed problem.

1021
01:41:05,420 --> 01:41:08,600
So you're going to have to have a trained individual, licensed individual,

1022
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:11,580
write you a recommendation on how to solve it.

1023
01:41:12,260 --> 01:41:14,380
And then that comes to the public agency.

1024
01:41:15,020 --> 01:41:16,780
We look at it and approve it or not.

1025
01:41:16,780 --> 01:41:32,680
And then what happens after that, then the contractor gets the go ahead to apply and he has to have licensed pest control applicators oversee the application of the pesticide use.

1026
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:38,920
So there's quite a process and on top of that, there's a slew of reporting involved.

1027
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:47,200
We get monthly reports from our contractors of every chemical used in the city turned in with their invoices.

1028
01:41:47,460 --> 01:41:51,540
They're also required to report it to the department of pesticide regulations.

1029
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:58,820
Everything they apply through their company wide, and we also supply an annual report to for

1030
01:41:58,820 --> 01:42:07,260
the NPEDS permit that we have through the county of all the pesticides applied on city properties.

1031
01:42:11,740 --> 01:42:28,940
So, part of the training that the contractors go through, does that involve looking at what alternatives we might have or is that something that you look at what alternatives that we have and how are those decisions made?

1032
01:42:28,940 --> 01:42:32,920
Yes, and those decisions are made both by staff and the contractors.

1033
01:42:33,540 --> 01:42:42,020
The contractors will give recommendations to city staff and city staff knowing the individual locations.

1034
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:50,220
And we may evaluate a park, it's more closely analyzed than a median along the roadway would be.

1035
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:57,060
Because it's two different obviously landscape purposes, parks get prioritized because that's where people recreate.

1036
01:42:57,060 --> 01:43:02,740
So, we take extra caution to one, see if it's, do we really need to apply anything?

1037
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:09,620
Or are we happy with, you know, a certain, you know, degree of population of weeds or

1038
01:43:09,620 --> 01:43:15,440
I think weeds that can be taken care of via mechanical means over time or whatever.

1039
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:16,480
Is it an emergency?

1040
01:43:16,820 --> 01:43:17,380
Probably not.

1041
01:43:17,900 --> 01:43:20,400
So, those are the type of priorities that we think about.

1042
01:43:21,580 --> 01:43:28,860
Okay, I think you mentioned also that some of the organic products are actually detrimental.

1043
01:43:29,380 --> 01:43:34,040
Some of them can be the vinegar products and some of the citrus products depending on

1044
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:34,440
the label.

1045
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:40,440
It's mainly for the applicator because he's dealing with the concentrated form, but by

1046
01:43:40,440 --> 01:43:48,440
the time it hits the field, it's not such a severe worry, but yes, some of them can be more

1047
01:43:48,440 --> 01:43:50,440
more caustic than the synthetics.

1048
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:51,580
Okay.

1049
01:43:52,160 --> 01:44:00,760
Now, providing the information live on the website as you've been doing, are we, do you know if we're getting a lot of hits on that?

1050
01:44:00,940 --> 01:44:02,120
Has there been a lot of interest?

1051
01:44:02,500 --> 01:44:04,480
I think we just put it out today, Cory, is that?

1052
01:44:04,780 --> 01:44:04,860
Yeah.

1053
01:44:05,140 --> 01:44:06,780
It just came live today, so.

1054
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:08,160
Okay.

1055
01:44:08,460 --> 01:44:11,080
That's great that that information is available.

1056
01:44:11,940 --> 01:44:18,340
I guess I'm having trouble seeing what the difference is.

1057
01:44:18,340 --> 01:44:26,140
here, what this would actually do that's different than what we are already doing.

1058
01:44:26,620 --> 01:44:31,060
Well, let me just jump in there, Trish, because on, if you look at, let me double check,

1059
01:44:31,340 --> 01:44:32,640
let me just make sure Trish is done.

1060
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:33,980
Yeah, this is going to be helpful.

1061
01:44:34,260 --> 01:44:34,440
Okay.

1062
01:44:34,660 --> 01:44:34,740
Yeah.

1063
01:44:35,180 --> 01:44:36,340
You all set, Trish?

1064
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:37,000
Okay.

1065
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:37,540
Okay.

1066
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:38,480
Thank you.

1067
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:45,300
So, if you look at page three and four of the agenda item, you'll see that it actually

1068
01:44:45,300 --> 01:44:52,960
fleshes out the requested updates and these updates that I'm proposing were all, every

1069
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:57,440
single one was pulled from what the city of Irvine is currently doing.

1070
01:44:57,960 --> 01:44:59,940
So, it's just filling in some of the...

1071
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:27,600
The gaps are guidelines. That's all it's doing. Not more, just it puts us on par with what Irvine is doing. So all of these requested updates are the things that are not included in our program right now, or they're just slight tweaks to the guidelines to make it more essentially the same as what Irvine offers.

1072
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:38,570
Okay, I'm going to just kick back to Mr. Hill of then, and how do you see these as different than what we do?

1073
01:45:40,810 --> 01:45:52,450
Well, on page three, as you mentioned, Councilwoman Vasquez, so you're recommending taking out the Fisk or the financial end of that? Is that what you're doing there?

1074
01:45:53,290 --> 01:45:55,470
Let's see, which were you looking?

1075
01:45:55,470 --> 01:46:02,490
Well you guided me to page I think three of your right so page three so if we're starting from the top so

1076
01:46:03,310 --> 01:46:06,830
Let's see the first one was to just get

1077
01:46:07,890 --> 01:46:15,090
Clarification there so codify the city is existing website guidance regard regarding recreational areas add language stating

1078
01:46:15,090 --> 01:46:22,190
The city does not apply pesticides in parks turf grass athletic fields playgrounds or other areas where people especially children

1079
01:46:22,190 --> 01:46:52,170
and recreate this should be incorporated directly into the adopted guidelines rather than appearing only on the city's website and that would strengthen the organic pesticide requirement and revising the language on page one section A from use of organic pesticide should be included and considered as the primary source for controlling pests in parks, turf grass areas, sports fields and playgrounds whenever fiscally practical and proven to be the most effective to use organic pest

1080
01:46:52,170 --> 01:46:56,190
pesticides first when pesticides are needed, this removes the qualifiers whenever

1081
01:46:56,190 --> 01:47:00,910
fiscally practical and proven to be most effective, which gives the city

1082
01:47:00,910 --> 01:47:04,870
broad discretion to move away from organic pesticides. The policy should

1083
01:47:04,870 --> 01:47:09,830
establish a clear health and safety first preference for organic pesticides, so

1084
01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:13,890
that's the first one. And that was just something that, honestly, when I was

1085
01:47:13,890 --> 01:47:20,630
looking at the website and I was looking at our policy and I saw that's what

1086
01:47:20,630 --> 01:47:24,990
So that actually is one of the first things that caught my eye was that this, the website

1087
01:47:24,990 --> 01:47:29,470
says, hey, we don't use this stuff, but then in the policy it says something different.

1088
01:47:29,710 --> 01:47:37,450
So I just want to reconcile that and just make that clear as far as where we stand.

1089
01:47:38,350 --> 01:47:46,550
And the rest of this, these updates are directly related to the, what Irvine currently provides

1090
01:47:46,550 --> 01:47:48,950
in their IPM program guidelines.

1091
01:47:49,550 --> 01:47:53,910
I'm on the comment there is, like I said, I think staff needs some flexibility.

1092
01:47:54,890 --> 01:47:59,990
Yes, in our guidelines, it gives this wiggle room to use whatever, you know,

1093
01:48:00,050 --> 01:48:03,890
responsibly we determine necessary. And as you stayed on the website, yes,

1094
01:48:04,010 --> 01:48:08,390
currently we don't use any pesticides in the grass areas or the athletic fields or

1095
01:48:08,970 --> 01:48:12,890
the pick or playground areas. That's what it says. I totally agree with you.

1096
01:48:13,350 --> 01:48:18,210
But three months from now, something may happen and we may need to adjust that.

1097
01:48:18,210 --> 01:48:21,590
And the guidelines give us the flexibility to do that.

1098
01:48:22,190 --> 01:48:24,670
Yeah, but this does also this does too.

1099
01:48:25,170 --> 01:48:27,570
I mean, it's not again, it's not saying, hey,

1100
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:30,150
we're only going to be using organic.

1101
01:48:30,350 --> 01:48:32,750
It just means that's the first line of defense.

1102
01:48:33,110 --> 01:48:35,350
And again, the first line of defense doesn't work.

1103
01:48:35,470 --> 01:48:36,590
You move on to something stronger.

1104
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:37,930
That's what it's saying.

1105
01:48:38,730 --> 01:48:40,050
That's what I'm asking for.

1106
01:48:40,990 --> 01:48:44,010
And again, everything else, all of these other updates

1107
01:48:44,010 --> 01:48:50,790
are directly from what Irvine is doing right now that we are not currently providing.

1108
01:48:51,370 --> 01:48:55,550
Right. Okay, let's also hard to do this on the fly.

1109
01:48:56,350 --> 01:48:57,670
Okay, well then how about this?

1110
01:48:59,030 --> 01:48:59,650
How about this?

1111
01:48:59,930 --> 01:49:07,970
If can we have staff come back with a red line modification to our policies based on input from

1112
01:49:07,970 --> 01:49:18,790
this and based on what is going to be practicable for staff at our next meeting or as much time

1113
01:49:18,790 --> 01:49:19,670
as you need.

1114
01:49:19,830 --> 01:49:21,930
Yeah, that would be helpful.

1115
01:49:22,430 --> 01:49:23,110
I would appreciate that.

1116
01:49:23,230 --> 01:49:24,890
So how much time are we talking here?

1117
01:49:27,110 --> 01:49:29,210
I think we can get back at the next meeting, yes.

1118
01:49:30,630 --> 01:49:35,610
If not, they'll be in communication with us, but I would think it could come back by the

1119
01:49:35,610 --> 01:49:36,090
next meeting.

1120
01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:49,080
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I just, you know, again, this is, I think we all know that I'm very well researched, and that's why this all came from Irvine.

1121
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:59,180
So again, it's just that I'm just saying that it's, you know, I appreciate having the information on the website. I think that's a great start.

1122
01:49:59,180 --> 01:49:59,780
But

1123
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:28,080
But, you know, there's definitely other things that we need to shore up. And it just, you know, I know that this is, this is, we agree. It's more work. And I get that and I totally appreciate that. But this is just, it's a matter of public safety. I mean, you know, actually, it's funny. It's like, both of my kids, even the older one, older one, it still likes to go to the park.

1124
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:38,720
So I, you know, I get where they're coming from, I mean, it's just one of those things that, you know, let's try and prevent things before, you know, something could potentially happen.

1125
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:48,600
Okay. Well, I think 10 years ago, that's exactly what we did. And I agree with improving it so that it's perfectly clear and transparent.

1126
01:50:48,900 --> 01:50:55,580
And I would ask that staff come back with a red line version of our policy so that we can not do it on the fly.

1127
01:50:57,060 --> 01:51:03,960
Yeah, that's that's fine, okay, and I would like that these changes be incorporated into that document as well.

1128
01:51:06,620 --> 01:51:12,200
Staff will look at what you're what you're proposing and then we'll come back with what staff would propose.

1129
01:51:12,440 --> 01:51:15,360
Okay, okay, so we're going to table this until the next meeting.

1130
01:51:15,460 --> 01:51:17,160
I wasn't quite through Madam here.

1131
01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:18,400
Okay, I'm sorry.

1132
01:51:18,580 --> 01:51:19,680
I didn't see your name up there.

1133
01:51:20,180 --> 01:51:24,460
Yes, I had one more point that I had wanted to make.

1134
01:51:24,460 --> 01:51:27,180
So let me just revisit back to that.

1135
01:51:27,460 --> 01:51:27,660
Okay.

1136
01:51:27,940 --> 01:51:38,580
I think that I like the idea of having the staff take a look at this and see what kind of red line improvements they might be able to make.

1137
01:51:39,180 --> 01:51:47,460
But I want to be very careful that in whatever our policy is that we don't tie the hands of the staff.

1138
01:51:47,460 --> 01:51:52,600
Our staff members are dads and

1139
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:57,500
grandpas and they're very concerned about safety as well.

1140
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:06,300
The example that Mr. Hill gave was if there is an outbreak of red fire ants,

1141
01:52:06,660 --> 01:52:14,160
that's a danger to our children and may need to be addressed immediately and

1142
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:22,360
And they need staff to use their discretion on how to handle the red fire ants.

1143
01:52:22,620 --> 01:52:37,540
So I just want to be careful that we don't tie the hands of the staff, and that we're not adding an extra layer of government on our process.

1144
01:52:38,140 --> 01:52:38,520
Thank you.

1145
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:39,480
Okay.

1146
01:52:42,480 --> 01:52:43,320
Last comment.

1147
01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:43,700
Yes.

1148
01:52:44,060 --> 01:52:45,880
I'll remember Vesca's then Councilmember Rich.

1149
01:52:46,160 --> 01:52:48,260
Yeah, and I mean, Church, I agree with you.

1150
01:52:50,500 --> 01:52:57,940
But as far as, you know, we're not, as far as adding another level of government, we're

1151
01:52:57,940 --> 01:53:03,400
not asking for things like flock cameras, we're asking for just stronger protections for our

1152
01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:10,340
residents, including children who are within proximity closer to the ground, right?

1153
01:53:10,340 --> 01:53:12,560
which puts them closer to these pesticides.

1154
01:53:14,220 --> 01:53:17,420
So it's just, you know, it's helpful for everyone,

1155
01:53:17,580 --> 01:53:18,280
helpful for your pets.

1156
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:22,100
I mean, we all benefit from something like this.

1157
01:53:22,440 --> 01:53:24,960
And I know, again, I know that it's, you know,

1158
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:29,180
can be considered a hassle, but it's definitely worthwhile

1159
01:53:29,180 --> 01:53:32,980
because we need to think about our future generations

1160
01:53:32,980 --> 01:53:37,580
and how they are, you know, a part of this community

1161
01:53:37,580 --> 01:53:40,940
and we want to continue to see it thrive.

1162
01:53:42,140 --> 01:53:42,500
Thanks.

1163
01:53:44,480 --> 01:53:45,060
Councilmember Rich.

1164
01:53:47,630 --> 01:53:48,490
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1165
01:53:49,150 --> 01:53:52,950
Mr. Hill, do we use Vector for fire ants,

1166
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:54,090
or do we take care of that ourselves?

1167
01:53:55,130 --> 01:53:56,890
Vector does most of the fire ants, yeah.

1168
01:53:56,890 --> 01:53:57,410
That's what I thought.

1169
01:53:57,870 --> 01:53:58,210
Thank you.

1170
01:53:58,390 --> 01:54:00,230
It didn't used to be that way, way back then,

1171
01:54:00,230 --> 01:54:01,130
but now they do.

1172
01:54:01,210 --> 01:54:01,490
Nowadays.

1173
01:54:03,890 --> 01:54:05,470
Okay, so from a process standpoint,

1174
01:54:05,770 --> 01:54:08,010
do we need to go ahead and table this in a motion?

1175
01:54:08,010 --> 01:54:17,150
I recommend to motion be made to direct staff as stated on the record and the staff will come back at the next meeting with the provisions.

1176
01:54:18,670 --> 01:54:20,090
Great, and I'll make that motion.

1177
01:54:20,450 --> 01:54:21,830
Okay, I'll second.

1178
01:54:23,110 --> 01:54:26,190
All in favor, go ahead and cast your votes.

1179
01:54:29,370 --> 01:54:30,330
Okay, that's unanimous.

1180
01:54:30,790 --> 01:54:32,450
Thank you very much and just a reminder.

1181
01:54:33,310 --> 01:54:39,850
We have safe playgrounds and recreation spaces as they're being cared for right now.

1182
01:54:39,850 --> 01:54:46,510
so I don't want to have anybody have fear over our current process bottom line.

1183
01:54:46,730 --> 01:54:53,570
And we will make it even better as far as notices go and that are on the website as well as on in our policy.

1184
01:54:53,790 --> 01:54:54,330
So thank you.

1185
01:54:56,330 --> 01:54:59,250
Okay, next we have Mayor Pro-Tum, Goodell.

1186
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:12,040
I'll go ahead and ask for public comments. Do we have any? We do. We have four requests to speak on this item. The first one is Tom Moore, followed by Caroline Gatto.

1187
01:55:25,470 --> 01:55:29,470
Yeah, Tom Moore, Mission Viejo, for 54 years.

1188
01:55:31,870 --> 01:55:41,950
Yeah, one of the things that I want to avoid. I mean, I can see, I've had conversations with people up here before on this. I can see something a lot more enhanced.

1189
01:55:41,950 --> 01:55:47,650
and what's being proposed, I mean, much more enhanced.

1190
01:55:48,110 --> 01:55:53,850
But my problem is, here we go again on the Village Center Plan, right?

1191
01:55:54,530 --> 01:55:57,930
The Louis adventure, we're going to make this thing fantastic and great,

1192
01:55:58,310 --> 01:56:01,610
but it doesn't involve any of the residential properties.

1193
01:56:03,250 --> 01:56:08,790
So now we're proposing to take essentially parking lot

1194
01:56:10,250 --> 01:56:15,530
all this stuff for the country club and the annadories in the Margaret Rex Center.

1195
01:56:16,350 --> 01:56:22,790
And it's up, up away from downtown area, but it's still part of, I guess, the vision plan for also Creek.

1196
01:56:23,930 --> 01:56:27,510
I can't support this now.

1197
01:56:27,970 --> 01:56:33,050
I can support it when I see something down the road that incorporates and

1198
01:56:33,050 --> 01:56:45,830
It integrates everything from also Parkway up to Alicia Parkway and everything east of Marguerite Parkway and up to an including the also pre-Gripparian area.

1199
01:56:46,130 --> 01:56:56,710
I have no idea what the city plans for all this and I think the residential property owners deserve some kind of an understanding with the city of what's being proposed.

1200
01:56:57,050 --> 01:56:59,690
What does this area look like in 20 years?

1201
01:56:59,690 --> 01:57:05,470
Who knows, we keep on jumping from whatever this is across the street to the

1202
01:57:05,470 --> 01:57:11,650
next. And I do support this, and ads have been around, I moved here in 74, they were here, right?

1203
01:57:11,890 --> 01:57:13,370
They were here long before that too.

1204
01:57:13,810 --> 01:57:16,990
And I support that, they've been long term good for the community.

1205
01:57:19,550 --> 01:57:21,910
But I can't support this the way it's presented.

1206
01:57:23,310 --> 01:57:31,110
And I read Mike's licensure comments, I listen to Kathy Palmer's comments,

1207
01:57:31,110 --> 01:57:35,270
And I have to, I have to support what they're saying.

1208
01:57:35,610 --> 01:57:38,630
We're not, we're not there yet, you know?

1209
01:57:38,790 --> 01:57:48,790
I think these are all good things, but I don't see anything other than this city jumping from project to project to project and no support in the long run.

1210
01:57:49,130 --> 01:57:50,530
I don't see a 20 year plan.

1211
01:57:51,010 --> 01:58:00,210
I have never seen anything from the city that says this is what we're proposing for this area in 20 years over the course of the lifetime.

1212
01:58:00,210 --> 01:58:05,710
in this area. And I would jump to the other side of Marguerite Parkway, include the Ridge from

1213
01:58:05,710 --> 01:58:12,130
Toronto down to Oslo Creek, Colonglipaws, and over the Paws. That is what is the city of

1214
01:58:12,130 --> 01:58:19,430
Mission Viejo. That is the business community. All the stuff down at the south end, you know,

1215
01:58:19,570 --> 01:58:24,390
there's all that down there. But this is the community right here. This is where it happens.

1216
01:58:24,390 --> 01:58:27,230
And, you know, I'll leave it at that.

1217
01:58:28,610 --> 01:58:29,070
Thank you.

1218
01:58:30,630 --> 01:58:33,290
Carolyn Gatto, followed by Michael Rocher.

1219
01:58:38,780 --> 01:58:42,020
My name is Carolyn Gatto, and I live in Mission B.A.O.

1220
01:58:44,740 --> 01:58:50,360
Economic development was included on the specific list of city priorities on the year-end close-out,

1221
01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:57,320
2024, 2025 budget, and mentioned at the council meeting last May 26th.

1222
01:58:57,320 --> 01:59:07,240
While development of a four to six year vision plan for the Oso Creek golf facilities could be expected to by some to lead to economic development.

1223
01:59:07,940 --> 01:59:12,200
I believe the council's time energy and priorities are misplaced.

1224
01:59:13,240 --> 01:59:23,500
Instead of spending taxpayers money on a public private partnership feasibility study that's for a facility that only rich people will be able to afford to use.

1225
01:59:23,500 --> 01:59:29,440
and that was proposed by a council member who was terming out, I suggest you get back

1226
01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:34,300
to basics and figure out what to do with the pathetic looking shopping area in the center

1227
01:59:34,300 --> 01:59:41,420
of town. The core area vision plan rather than the Oso Creek vision plan deserves the council's

1228
01:59:41,420 --> 01:59:47,480
immediate attention because it will be used by far more residents and visitors than a golf course,

1229
01:59:47,480 --> 01:59:50,040
clubhouse or banquet space ever will.

1230
01:59:51,250 --> 01:59:55,640
While I appreciate the efforts the council is making to prevent mission V.A.O. from meeting

1231
01:59:55,950 --> 01:59:59,460
the unfortunate fiscal fate of some other Orange County cities.

1232
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,680
By anticipating revenue reductions and making changes to balance the budget, I failed to understand why creating a fancier playground for the city's most affluent residents could be considered a priority. Any feasibility study and further discussion of the OSO create golf and banquet facilities for rich people should be tabled until realistic solutions for mission VA hosts core area have been developed and implemented for the rest of us. Thank you.

1233
02:00:35,440 --> 02:00:39,220
Michael Rocher, followed by Jill Shindler.

1234
02:00:40,820 --> 02:00:42,000
Hello, Michael Rocher.

1235
02:00:43,160 --> 02:00:47,520
As I think about the improvements the council is considering making to the golf course,

1236
02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:51,580
it occurs to me that these upgrades will primarily benefit the well to do.

1237
02:00:52,220 --> 02:00:54,560
Now don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with that.

1238
02:00:55,260 --> 02:00:59,000
But I can't help but wonder, given the budget cuts that have been implemented in various

1239
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:01,900
departments, is this really a good time?

1240
02:01:01,900 --> 02:01:06,220
We have other projects that are being delayed that could benefit more residents.

1241
02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:14,320
And given that many families are struggling right now, might that money be better spent on programs that could help those members of our community.

1242
02:01:14,940 --> 02:01:19,240
I would recommend that we take a step back and consider all of our options.

1243
02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:23,740
Let's not be too quick to implement a good idea at the wrong time.

1244
02:01:24,360 --> 02:01:24,680
Thank you.

1245
02:01:30,600 --> 02:01:31,600
Thank you.

1246
02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:32,280
Jill Schindler.

1247
02:01:33,140 --> 02:01:34,240
The second time.

1248
02:01:34,420 --> 02:01:34,760
Thank you.

1249
02:01:35,240 --> 02:01:35,780
Jill Schindler.

1250
02:01:36,060 --> 02:01:36,780
Mission via resident.

1251
02:01:37,480 --> 02:01:41,620
I want to just echo what are my fellow residents have said.

1252
02:01:41,980 --> 02:01:46,200
You know, this board has done a really good job of maintaining physical responsibility.

1253
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:50,400
You've worked really hard, but you had to make some unfortunate cuts.

1254
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:51,620
You made cuts to seniors.

1255
02:01:52,020 --> 02:01:57,940
You deferred maintenance for parks and then to turn around and say to our families, you

1256
02:01:57,940 --> 02:01:59,420
know, your park is not going to get an upgrade.

1257
02:01:59,420 --> 02:02:08,040
But we got some money for the golf course, your seniors, your grandma, you know, she's going to have fewer rides to her doctor's appointment.

1258
02:02:08,500 --> 02:02:10,920
But we got money to check on a private partnership.

1259
02:02:11,720 --> 02:02:25,780
I'm having a hard time stomaching cuts to our vulnerable groups while we're supporting money for public private partnerships and improving core vision plans.

1260
02:02:26,340 --> 02:02:33,960
Again, at going earlier comments while I look across the street at a sign mark building that's been sitting empty for a long time.

1261
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:35,280
Thank you.

1262
02:02:38,540 --> 02:02:41,720
That was our last request to speak and I don't see any on zoom.

1263
02:02:42,540 --> 02:02:42,960
Thank you.

1264
02:02:44,200 --> 02:02:49,320
Okay, Mayor Pro Temke-Dell, would you like to present your topic?

1265
02:02:49,640 --> 02:02:49,880
Yes.

1266
02:02:50,640 --> 02:02:51,360
Thank you.

1267
02:02:52,600 --> 02:02:56,980
Okay, I've got a PowerPoint and we'll just put up the first slide.

1268
02:02:56,980 --> 02:03:02,240
Before I go into the slides, the other slides, which will go through really quickly.

1269
02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:14,920
I do want to go back to the November 9th to 2021 council meeting and the agenda report for

1270
02:03:14,920 --> 02:03:21,460
the vision plan that was created over the course of time from 2019 to 2021.

1271
02:03:22,580 --> 02:03:26,320
That was a previous council to this council that did that.

1272
02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:37,820
We created a two to six-year plan that we voted on at that time, and I'm just going to paraphrase some of this.

1273
02:03:37,820 --> 02:03:44,460
I don't want to go into all the detail just for brevity sake, but I'll try to hit the important points.

1274
02:03:46,260 --> 02:03:54,780
So the 18-hole par-60 executive course was built in 1970 and includes a 5,400-square-foot clubhouse.

1275
02:03:54,780 --> 02:03:58,600
facility with a large covered outdoor terrace.

1276
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:03,680
As stated by the City Council, the purpose for purchasing the property was to preserve

1277
02:04:03,680 --> 02:04:10,380
both the golf course and public space areas and control future development of the facility

1278
02:04:10,380 --> 02:04:16,300
in a manner that enhances the golf course facility, best serves the city's residents and

1279
02:04:16,300 --> 02:04:22,840
establishes a more sustainable operation, both environmentally and economically, well into

1280
02:04:22,840 --> 02:04:27,980
the future. Shortly after purchasing the course, the city began making improvements to the

1281
02:04:27,980 --> 02:04:33,000
course and upgrades at the clubhouse, including hiring a new chef and revamping the restaurant

1282
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:37,040
and the terrace on the green and all the improvements to date have been funded with golf course revenues.

1283
02:04:38,120 --> 02:04:43,380
And it's been very successful by the way that's my personal ad. In the spring of 2020,

1284
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as directed by the city council, the city issued a request for proposals to qualify consultants to

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to assist the city in preparing a vision plan for the Oso Creek Golf Course and related public space.

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10 proposals were received and after multiple interviews, MR Profund was-

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The primary purpose for the vision plan was to explore future use and operation of the site, including potential complimentary uses such as hospitality or other recreational uses that would serve to enhance and sustain the existing golf course facility. In addition to the golf course, the visioning effort includes potential future use of approximately five of an approximately five acre, undeveloped city on site, located

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west of the 35-acre open space parcel and southeast of existing city on

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Margarit Recreation Center as well as the future concepts at the Recreation

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Center itself. By the way, that five-acre piece is the piece that we are currently

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working on to develop a new parking lot for the aquatic center and the YMCA and

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the tennis center. The vision plan process, the critical first step of the

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The vision plan process was a comprehensive community outreach effort to fully understand

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the needs and desires of the city's residents.

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This began with a community-wide telephone survey conducted by True North Research in

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June and July of 2020 that showed strong resident support for creating new trails, preserving

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open space, enlarging the existing clubhouse, and creating space for recreational activities

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such as pickleball or bachiball. The survey also showed support for complimentary revenue generating

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uses such as banquet facilities and an upscale restaurant as part of the clubhouse expansion.

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Now, I remind you all at this time in July of 2020, what was happening in the world, COVID, right?

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right? So we did a survey out to all our residents and it was the most popular and

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responded to telephone survey in history of Mission Viejo because everyone was stuck

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at home and they were happy someone called them to talk to them about what they wanted in

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our city. Just that's a little side for me. Okay. In November of 2020, M.R. profan consultant

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and team led several stakeholder listening sessions, including online meetings with surrounding residential neighborhood representatives and user groups of both the golf course and the Marguerite Recreation Center facilities and on March 11th 2021 prior to consultant preparation of the draft vision plan, the city conducted an advertised online public workshop attended by 125 members of the public a second online public workshop was advertised and held on July 27th of 2021 to share with the residents.

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the concepts proposed in the draft vision plan.

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The second workshop was attended by 86 people.

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Based on the public input received during the city's extensive outreach,

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the consultant prepared both short-term action items and

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longer-term concepts for future consideration.

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The short-term improvements are grouped into two phases, two to four years and four to six years.

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To coincide with the city's two-year budget process and ensure adequate funding is identified for

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the priority golf course projects. The long-term concepts presented in the draft vision plan

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are offered as food for thought ideas for the community to consider beyond the short-term

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six-year timeframe.

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I'm going to go now to the minutes of that meeting. Just a couple of points

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from the minutes of that meeting. Mayor Pro Tem Bucknam made a motion to receive and file

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the report to adopt the two to four year plan and continue to look at the four to six year plan.

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She has in support of the parking and modifications on Casa del Sol, which she shall leave to capable

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hands of staff and engineers to work out and potentially paying for that through development.

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However, she's not supporting moving forward with the remainder of the vision plan.

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And I remind you, if you don't remember, and you weren't part of it, the remainder of the vision plan beyond six years had all kinds of things in it that people were kind of a little bit put off by.

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Okay, some things might have been, I don't know, a lot of things, a lot of things, okay.

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Then it said Mayor Kelly asked to clarify the recommended action and

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reiterated that the motion is to receive the file report, but

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only the part of the report that goes up to six years and

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approve the near term two to four year plan and four to six year plan.

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Council Member Gidele says he's in sport of motion, blah, blah, blah.

1329
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Okay, then Mayor Buckton reiterated her motion, two to four year plan, plus we'll keep looking at that four to six year plan, the options, but not moving forward, pass anything beyond six years.

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After further discussion, Sachs joined in, and anyhow,

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It turned out that the motion carried four to one. I was the no vote because I didn't believe in bifurcating the plan. I thought we should accept the plan or not accept the plan. But, yeah, that was my opinion at the time. Just so, you know, okay. So now, tonight we have before us, we are in year six, since we created the plan and adopted the plan. And the four to six years is slipping away.

1332
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Okay, and that's why I'm pushing for this to be considered tonight.

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Before I leave this council, I would like to see us complete what we started and not let it slip away.

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So, the recommended action tonight is to one adopt resolution, 2646, directing staff to advance the Osso Creek Vision Plan into the four to six year phase.

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and to initiate a public-private partnership feasibility process.

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Two, initiate a public-private partnership feasibility study.

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For a new golf course clubhouse, banquet event venue, food and beverage operations, potential for hospitality,

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potential for hospitality, and additional parking that may be required.

1339
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And three, return to council within 60 days with a feasibility report, fiscal analysis, procurement strategy, and draft PPP terms sheet.

1340
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PPP is public private partnership.

1341
02:11:34,490 --> 02:11:36,190
Okay, so that is the action item.

1342
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So here we have our strategic roadmap, detain the purpose.

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If we go to page two,

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these are the objective to now is obtain the council approval to move forward with the feasibility study.

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to pursue PPP and expand the Oso Creek Offcourse Clubhouse.

1346
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As I just said, with enhanced food and beverage services, expand parking

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percent to Oso Creek Offcourse, and the public space vision plan.

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Specifically, year four to six improvements, as recommended by the Council in 2021.

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Challenges, budget, enter into exclusive negotiation agreement with the qualified developer following an RFQ RFP process.

1350
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who will, they will, invest their capital to fund the feasibility studies.

1351
02:12:26,480 --> 02:12:33,940
Similar to site three, the true mark, exclusive negotiation agreement we entered into earlier this year for the affordable housing site, site three.

1352
02:12:34,760 --> 02:12:41,560
And the current mark negotiations where we are negotiating an exclusive negotiation agreement with a developer for that site.

1353
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Just following the same plan, same format.

1354
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Other challenge, surplus land deck.

1355
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Our city attorney has examined this and worked on it with the state and found that it's not required to go through the surplus land act if we don't change the uses on the site if we're just updating and enhancing and intensifying the uses, there's no surplus land act implications if we do change the use and we add hospitality, which means a hotel, then all bets are off we may have to go through that surplus land act process, but that doesn't mean it kills the project.

1356
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Okay, next page please.

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Previous concerns raised at our last meeting on May 12th, 2026.

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The priorities that we established during our April 9th, 2024 Council workshop on the budget.

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Group one projects included site three with an exclusive negotiating agreement entered with true mark homes to develop partial affordable homes development.

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The builder has terminated that process.

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Due to project infeasibility, because of site work costs, environmental and market factors.

1362
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That one's dead.

1363
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Number two, numbering system didn't come out quite right on this, it's changed.

1364
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Annual park playground rehabilitation, that is ongoing, we're currently doing Barbidane's park.

1365
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Three, Sierra Rec Center rehabilitation, started today underway, okay?

1366
02:14:15,020 --> 02:14:23,680
Okay? Number four, number three up there on the board, North Oso Creek Trail Bike Pedestrian Trailhead.

1367
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That is ongoing.

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We have designed it and we're awaiting the grant funding that has been committed but not received yet, correct?

1369
02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:37,260
Okay, so that's going forward.

1370
02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:43,480
Cordillera School Site Project, Saddleback Valley Unified School District is still using the site.

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It's a dead deal for now as far as the city's concerned. It's their property and they're using it

1372
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Six Le Manscha playground project. I put dead deal for now

1373
02:14:54,080 --> 02:14:59,120
I don't know if there's anything happening. I don't think there's anything happening with Le Manscha right now correct, okay

1374
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:21,940
The legislature is not moving forward. Group two projects. We're a Los Osos project. We know that we decided that what we had planned there is infeasible. Plus, we have a lawsuit that's really limiting our ability to move forward. And we have an RFQ and exclusive negotiating agreement negotiations with the developer to buy the mark.

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So that's going forward in that capacity. The performing arts center determined to be infeasible due to cost.

1376
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The golf course parking structure stand alone.

1377
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That died but is included in this particular project potentially.

1378
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And then there were a couple other projects.

1379
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Lower Curtis pad project.

1380
02:15:44,630 --> 02:15:45,850
We already talked about that tonight.

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Currently on hold due to groundwater problems and ground movement.

1382
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And then the consequential things that have happened because of that.

1383
02:15:55,810 --> 02:16:00,270
and then the America 250 parade was on the list and that is done and it was a

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raging success okay so that's where we are with those priorities next slide

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please okay the operational gap community demand when we did all our surveys

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and our community meetings upscale dining and food and beverage offerings were

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in high demand by the public.

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Dedicated banquet facilities for large scale private and civic events were also under high demand.

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And expand our recreational spaces, including pickle ball courts and trail extensions.

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So those are things that this project would help facilitate.

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Next page please.

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The six year phasing strategy requires a shift in funding.

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02:16:51,460 --> 02:16:58,640
We did years two to four near term enhancements using money out of our out of the golf operations for the most part

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by operational

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cash flow

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Four to six grant have to think differently. We're moving forward on with third-party capital is going to be required

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That's why a PPP is important. The city maintains ownership. We bring in a partner. They spend the money. They do the studies

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they present them to us. We approve them. We create a partnership deal going forward and

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we split the revenues coming out of it under some formula that is yet to be determined.

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So that's how this works. Next page please. Okay, key development zones. This was something from

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way back in 2021. This doesn't necessarily hold true anymore, but I just put this in to show you

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02:17:43,600 --> 02:17:50,920
that this is the site where the clubhouse is currently located at Osso Creek with the parking lot

1403
02:17:51,440 --> 02:17:57,640
and it would include a number of things that would still need to be determined through this process

1404
02:17:57,640 --> 02:18:06,540
and negotiations. Next slide please. And why a public private partnership? Again, the city brings our

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02:18:07,120 --> 02:18:12,360
prime municipal land. We have long-term civic vision. We have entitlement control over the property

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02:18:12,360 --> 02:18:14,860
community and we have community trust, hopefully.

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And then the private partner brings substantial capital investment, commercial operational

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02:18:21,100 --> 02:18:26,220
expertise, and assumption of financial and construction risk.

1409
02:18:28,140 --> 02:18:33,180
So everyone who's worried about a spending money taken away from other people, need to realize

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that our partner brings the money.

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This is how we leverage an asset that we have in the community to get something more than we

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we have now and still have a sustainable future with a property that we own in perpetuity and protect for the future generations.

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Next slide please.

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And I think this one was supposed to come out, so let's just go to the next one, because that one's just a little too complicated.

1415
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And then, and here's sort of the pathway, we come up with a scope, economic development committee works with staff to come up with the RFQ RFP.

1416
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We go out to the RFQFIP and then we decide who's the best partner to team up with and execute a 90-day exclusive negotiating agreement with the selected finalists to move into the planning phase and then come up with a disposition and development agreement for the 3-P or PPP project going forward.

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I see this happening sometime in the first quarter of next year with the new council.

1418
02:19:45,020 --> 02:19:46,860
So we're not locking them into anything.

1419
02:19:47,020 --> 02:19:50,500
They will be in complete charge of this process going forward.

1420
02:19:50,580 --> 02:19:55,400
We're just tan it up, a big victory for the next council to come in the way I see it.

1421
02:19:57,960 --> 02:19:59,960
And I don't know that we really need to look at this.

1422
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:09,540
We won't get any more of these slides. They're just more about the PPP process. I guess we'll go to the last one. And we'll talk about the Mission Viejo legacy. There's two more to go ahead of.

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One more. Here we go. A properly executed public-private partnership will transform Oso Creek into a premier destination by adhering to a transparent, legally sound procurement process. Mission Viejo will deliver the world-class amenities,

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the community demands and deserves without compromising the city's financial future.

1425
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Is there a presentation?

1426
02:20:46,710 --> 02:20:48,930
Okay. Any comments?

1427
02:20:49,250 --> 02:20:50,830
Staff, do you have anything to add to this?

1428
02:20:52,490 --> 02:20:56,870
Madam Mayor, I have some brief comment on the surplus lands act discussion if that would

1429
02:20:56,870 --> 02:20:58,450
be helpful for the city council.

1430
02:20:58,690 --> 02:20:58,830
Please.

1431
02:20:59,290 --> 02:21:00,110
Sure, thank you.

1432
02:21:00,110 --> 02:21:06,050
We had two separate meetings with HCD that is a city manager of Lister,

1433
02:21:07,450 --> 02:21:13,250
our community services director, Logan Ecker, and myself with HCD staff.

1434
02:21:13,430 --> 02:21:19,050
We submitted a question to them in writing, posing in essence what is being planned.

1435
02:21:20,390 --> 02:21:25,810
The council member, Goodell, discussed, they got back to it.

1436
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They called on a second meeting, after their first meeting put in writing,

1437
02:21:30,810 --> 02:21:36,230
they opined that as proposed, not including the hotel,

1438
02:21:36,930 --> 02:21:44,190
most proposed the expansion and rehabilitation of the clubhouse improvement restaurant facilities,

1439
02:21:44,910 --> 02:21:50,390
potential expansion or enlargement of parking opportunities, including a parking structure,

1440
02:21:50,390 --> 02:21:53,050
there would be exempt under the surplus land

1441
02:21:53,050 --> 02:21:55,790
act under the mixed-use exemption.

1442
02:21:56,690 --> 02:22:00,590
However, they were unequivocal in that any type of hotel

1443
02:22:01,830 --> 02:22:04,450
use anything other than a temporary event,

1444
02:22:05,210 --> 02:22:07,770
one day of that, two day of that, would be subject

1445
02:22:07,770 --> 02:22:11,410
to surplus land act provided that the lease for the underlying

1446
02:22:11,410 --> 02:22:14,870
property is over 15 years, which this type of lease

1447
02:22:14,870 --> 02:22:22,530
probably certainly would be, they have not, however, provided us that opinion and writing.

1448
02:22:23,070 --> 02:22:25,770
So this is an oral opinion given to us by HCD staff.

1449
02:22:26,250 --> 02:22:30,470
So it is not in writing, so take that for what it is worth.

1450
02:22:31,130 --> 02:22:34,230
But that is the sum and subsistence of our conversations with HCD.

1451
02:22:37,460 --> 02:22:37,800
Okay.

1452
02:22:41,050 --> 02:22:42,670
I'm happy to answer any questions.

1453
02:22:42,670 --> 02:22:45,130
I may have some comments at the end, but nothing, no.

1454
02:22:45,570 --> 02:22:45,850
Okay.

1455
02:22:46,090 --> 02:22:46,370
Thank you.

1456
02:22:46,370 --> 02:23:02,070
I have a question on what you showed on the screen, Brian, and what your recommendation is which is to initiate a public private partnership study and initiate a feasibility process.

1457
02:23:02,690 --> 02:23:06,970
Are you saying none of that is going to have a cost associated with it?

1458
02:23:07,690 --> 02:23:08,930
No, I'm not saying that.

1459
02:23:09,450 --> 02:23:26,690
I think there would be some staff time, clearly there would be some legal time with the city attorney to do that process to prepare it, but the rest of it would be a burden on the partner as a way I see it going forward any kind of planning or.

1460
02:23:27,070 --> 02:23:32,030
But if we're doing a feasibility study, we don't want the people that are going to do the.

1461
02:23:33,230 --> 02:23:35,790
It's a feasibility study on doing a PPP.

1462
02:23:36,210 --> 02:23:37,970
It's not undoing the whole project.

1463
02:23:38,470 --> 02:23:42,970
Okay, we're not going to design it and cost it and then go find a partner to do it.

1464
02:23:43,410 --> 02:23:44,490
That's not the way I see it.

1465
02:23:44,970 --> 02:23:51,230
I see us doing a, just as we did with TrueMark where we did an RFQ and they responded,

1466
02:23:51,410 --> 02:23:55,930
they were selected and then they went in and they did their own feasibility studies.

1467
02:23:55,930 --> 02:24:03,850
same thing with what's happening now with the mark, with our potential partner there on an ENA going forward.

1468
02:24:04,490 --> 02:24:05,650
They're sending their money.

1469
02:24:05,910 --> 02:24:09,950
Okay, so just to have the capacity to generate this RFQ.

1470
02:24:12,800 --> 02:24:18,020
We would probably need some help with that similar to what we did with the mark building.

1471
02:24:19,180 --> 02:24:19,680
Oh, okay.

1472
02:24:20,360 --> 02:24:26,100
I mean I have a little bit of a different idea with process, but I think there's different ways to do it.

1473
02:24:26,100 --> 02:24:32,080
But we would need some help, I think, making sure we go out to the right people.

1474
02:24:33,000 --> 02:24:38,840
I don't know who all potential developers would be, so we would definitely want some assistance

1475
02:24:38,840 --> 02:24:39,480
with that.

1476
02:24:39,860 --> 02:24:43,080
Similar to what we did with the March RFQ.

1477
02:24:43,540 --> 02:24:43,740
Okay.

1478
02:24:44,180 --> 02:24:44,620
Thank you.

1479
02:24:45,660 --> 02:24:46,200
Okay.

1480
02:24:46,360 --> 02:24:48,060
It looks like Council Member Vesquez.

1481
02:24:49,400 --> 02:24:49,480
Great.

1482
02:24:50,140 --> 02:24:50,520
All right.

1483
02:24:50,800 --> 02:24:55,140
So I think the plan is, it's a really great idea, right?

1484
02:24:55,140 --> 02:24:59,080
But my concern is that we are living beyond our means.

1485
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:29,020
And as a city, in its retirement years, we need to plan for the long term and spend, save, and invest wisely. If, for example, if we're struggling to pay utility bills, reducing our reserves, cutting department budgets, and spending $6 million on parking lot, without a quantifiable need, or an established plan for how it will operate, how can we justify spending more taxpayer dollars to study a public-private partnership for a new golf course clubhouse,

1486
02:25:29,020 --> 02:25:35,780
the banquet, event venue, food and beverage operations, possible hospitality uses and additional

1487
02:25:35,780 --> 02:25:42,400
parking. So here's what I'm thinking, is that before we take on any more major projects,

1488
02:25:42,680 --> 02:25:48,880
I think that we need to take a step back and look at the big picture. And first and foremost,

1489
02:25:49,100 --> 02:25:56,480
resolve the now defunct core area vision plan before we jump into another vision plan. And

1490
02:25:56,480 --> 02:26:04,420
And I appreciate that this vision plan wouldn't be designed first and then peddled around

1491
02:26:04,740 --> 02:26:06,400
to potential developers.

1492
02:26:06,880 --> 02:26:12,160
So that's a great thing, but I think that the timing isn't right.

1493
02:26:14,360 --> 02:26:24,560
Like I said, we've already made cuts department-wide, we're already spending a lot of money on

1494
02:26:24,560 --> 02:26:32,180
this other big project. I mean it's you know I think that and I appreciate that you know it's

1495
02:26:32,180 --> 02:26:37,320
coming up on year six and you want to see this through and I totally get that. But again

1496
02:26:39,420 --> 02:26:46,660
sometimes it's we have to think about is this a need or is it a want? And sometimes you know even

1497
02:26:46,660 --> 02:26:51,240
though you have this thing on your checklist sometimes we're not going to be able to check that box

1498
02:26:51,240 --> 02:26:59,660
and the other concern I have is that the little thing called scope creak, scope creak creak, I can't even talk.

1499
02:27:00,440 --> 02:27:10,160
That you jard out with this project and then you start adding things to it like a hotel, like a parking structure, like a, you know, I don't know,

1500
02:27:10,500 --> 02:27:17,700
like additional bathrooms or pickleball courts or whatever it is and it just keeps going.

1501
02:27:17,700 --> 02:27:34,680
So for me personally, I think that it is an everyone's best interest in the community for us to put this on hold indefinitely and leave it for another time because right now I think the timing isn't right.

1502
02:27:34,680 --> 02:27:40,780
And regarding the item number five, that was on our prioritization list.

1503
02:27:41,100 --> 02:27:46,960
As far as I know, it's still on the prioritization list, which is the Le Manship Park playground project.

1504
02:27:48,420 --> 02:27:56,680
I consider it still on the prioritization list until we have another prioritization meeting to discuss additional priorities.

1505
02:27:57,100 --> 02:27:57,420
Thank you.

1506
02:28:03,190 --> 02:28:04,290
I'm not seeing any other comments.

1507
02:28:05,330 --> 02:28:06,070
Council Member Kelly.

1508
02:28:10,240 --> 02:28:10,620
Yes.

1509
02:28:12,480 --> 02:28:22,440
Councilmember Vasquez brought up a question. Is this a need or a want? And I'm going to ask Mayor

1510
02:28:22,440 --> 02:28:36,360
Pro Tem Goodell to talk about what the needs are as far as kind of what is driving you on this not not only the

1511
02:28:36,360 --> 02:28:45,780
the fact that it was part of a plan and we are conceivably at the next steps, but what do you see as the need?

1512
02:28:48,280 --> 02:28:56,180
Well, I believe that we have a need to create a sustainable economic engine in our community, engines, let's say,

1513
02:28:56,600 --> 02:29:01,460
and that this is one of the assets that we have currently that can do that.

1514
02:29:01,460 --> 02:29:05,740
But it can be, it's currently successful as it is.

1515
02:29:05,900 --> 02:29:12,480
We do plow the money back into it that we earn on it, but it's revenue neutral.

1516
02:29:12,720 --> 02:29:17,900
But if we were to expand the food and beverage service, for example, and create a banquet

1517
02:29:17,900 --> 02:29:22,960
facility where weddings could be held, I mean, we have a small wedding venue there now with

1518
02:29:22,960 --> 02:29:32,520
the little glass barn, but we do have a parking problem with that glass barn and that thing.

1519
02:29:34,020 --> 02:29:39,700
But if we were to increase that, that would be more than double that capacity.

1520
02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:47,780
I think if we talked about a 500 room banquet facility versus I think we're limited to no more than 200 in the barn.

1521
02:29:48,060 --> 02:29:48,460
Is that right?

1522
02:29:48,920 --> 02:29:49,820
About 200, Jerry?

1523
02:29:50,640 --> 02:29:59,840
150 actually. 150 inside. Okay, so it'd be four times bigger almost and you could

1524
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,700
We look at that every weekend for a wedding. We could turn that thing into a revenue-generating machine. That's an asset that we have. It's something that we can use to pay for a lot of things in this city that currently we don't have revenues being generated for. So that's the way I see it. I think there's a huge opportunity, huge upside, in places where they've done this, such as the ranch in Laguna, or Ben Brown's golf courses.

1525
02:30:29,700 --> 02:30:35,880
has done a phenomenal amount of upside with not only their hotel rooms, but also their

1526
02:30:35,880 --> 02:30:42,360
banquets, their weddings, and just the revenue from the restaurant itself.

1527
02:30:42,360 --> 02:30:48,520
It's a very popular place to go and they're making a lot of money and they're making,

1528
02:30:49,480 --> 02:30:53,440
I don't know off the top of my head how much more, but it's something in the order of five

1529
02:30:53,440 --> 02:30:56,640
to ten times more money than they were before they upgraded that space.

1530
02:30:56,640 --> 02:31:02,000
So it's a, it's a, it's a giant revenue generator for them.

1531
02:31:02,780 --> 02:31:07,100
Okay, I do know that parking over there is a nightmare.

1532
02:31:07,520 --> 02:31:15,280
And especially if there is an event like a wedding or a banquet, a couple of questions.

1533
02:31:16,700 --> 02:31:21,880
First of all, I did want to clarify, there was a comment made earlier that the city's

1534
02:31:21,880 --> 02:31:28,580
financial position has caused us to stop renovating parks, and that is not true.

1535
02:31:29,460 --> 02:31:37,820
We are currently renovating Barbedaine's Park, and we are also renovating Sierra Recreation Center.

1536
02:31:38,060 --> 02:31:45,220
So I just want to make sure the public knows that we're not, we're not axing park renovations or

1537
02:31:46,040 --> 02:31:47,440
neglecting our facilities.

1538
02:31:48,980 --> 02:31:57,860
Question, so Mr. Mayor Pro Tem, you state that the developer would pay for the feasibility study,

1539
02:31:58,300 --> 02:32:04,580
but it sounds like from the city manager there would be a cost to the city to hire a consultant

1540
02:32:04,580 --> 02:32:07,820
to help to prepare the feasibility study, is that correct?

1541
02:32:07,820 --> 02:32:18,180
I think Mayor Pro Tem has sort of a proposing an approach that's probably a little different

1542
02:32:18,180 --> 02:32:19,840
from the approach I would propose.

1543
02:32:21,540 --> 02:32:27,620
I would suggest doing our own, you know, if this is a path you want to go down, then we

1544
02:32:27,620 --> 02:32:29,480
do our own feasibility study.

1545
02:32:31,740 --> 02:32:54,240
it's not going to be a huge cost in the larger scheme of things and I think it would just give the city more control to do it that way, and then you would take that depending on what you got back and go out and solicit, you know, partners, similarly again to what we did across the street, but I think there's different ways to do it.

1546
02:32:54,240 --> 02:32:57,380
But I just personally feel that way would give you a little more control.

1547
02:32:57,980 --> 02:33:10,700
Now, any other studies raising capital, etc., then yes, that would then be on whatever partner was ultimately selected or potential partner.

1548
02:33:12,380 --> 02:33:13,880
Yeah, I'll just add on to that.

1549
02:33:14,180 --> 02:33:23,300
I think City Manager is correct that if you had the partner lead the feasibility study and

1550
02:33:24,560 --> 02:33:26,680
They're going to lead you the direction they want to go.

1551
02:33:26,980 --> 02:33:28,060
There's no doubt about that.

1552
02:33:28,400 --> 02:33:35,440
And I've done that before when I worked at Santa Margarita Company and we developed Rancho Santa Margarita with partners that did that.

1553
02:33:36,020 --> 02:33:44,680
And but the projects were turned out great, I had nothing bad to say about them, other than that's the approach we took.

1554
02:33:45,020 --> 02:33:52,340
We brought the partner in and they paid for it and they led the charats if you want to call it that, where they put everything up on the walls.

1555
02:33:52,340 --> 02:33:57,500
and everyone kind of throws all their ideas up and they have the public come in and make their comments.

1556
02:33:57,520 --> 02:34:06,760
Mr. Moore, I'm sure we'll be at all those meetings and it's a very dynamic process, but that's one

1557
02:34:06,760 --> 02:34:10,220
way to do it. Another way to do it would be to have to go into a room and say this is what we want.

1558
02:34:10,340 --> 02:34:17,460
Now you come in and bring your money and help us get it done. We're going to have more limited ideas

1559
02:34:18,460 --> 02:34:32,400
and creativity in my opinion if we do it that way as opposed to have them lead the process because that's what they do that's what they're really good at and you know if we wanted to look at the difference between let's say we want

1560
02:34:32,400 --> 02:34:46,220
a hospitality or not hospitality right so that means going into the SLI this surplus land act potentially and pay what are the risks and rewards to do in that versus avoiding that you know if we're fearful

1561
02:34:46,220 --> 02:34:48,940
of whatever that outcome could be.

1562
02:34:49,800 --> 02:34:52,920
I think that maybe it's a matter of how you define

1563
02:34:52,920 --> 02:34:57,420
what's in the reuse area, you know?

1564
02:34:58,460 --> 02:34:59,820
I mean, we're still going to have the golf course.

1565
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:29,980
We're still going to have parking, we're still going to have a lot of things we have already food and beverage. But if you throw in some hotel rooms, then, you know, that piece of it. And we would need, you know, the legal staff's health to determine what the risk is of doing that if we decided to do that. The potential upside is way higher, I would say, with hospitality approach in terms of the revenues long term. But there could be some pain, there could even be some

1566
02:35:29,980 --> 02:35:33,880
And danger at the start with how we have to deal with the state on that issue.

1567
02:35:36,140 --> 02:35:43,260
Okay, I just have one more question and you've actually already answered this but I want to hear it again.

1568
02:35:45,380 --> 02:35:56,540
Is doing a feasibility study as you've proposed, is that going to bind the future council into a decision?

1569
02:35:56,540 --> 02:35:58,260
No, I don't believe it would.

1570
02:35:58,660 --> 02:36:01,140
I don't believe it would bind anyone into anything.

1571
02:36:01,260 --> 02:36:05,520
I think what it is is information that they can use to make decisions and

1572
02:36:05,520 --> 02:36:12,320
go forward if they choose to if they think it's in the best interest of the city at the time with the budget that they have.

1573
02:36:12,820 --> 02:36:21,140
And whatever the constraints are, nothing gets finalized until you go through this process.

1574
02:36:21,740 --> 02:36:25,760
And so you have to go through it to find out what the answers are that you need to know in order

1575
02:36:25,760 --> 02:36:26,980
to make the final decision.

1576
02:36:27,880 --> 02:36:30,420
So I don't think it binds anyone.

1577
02:36:30,460 --> 02:36:35,220
I think it just tees it up so that they don't have to wait and we've got a bunch of new

1578
02:36:35,220 --> 02:36:40,920
council members come in and kind of get in their feet wet in terms of just the normal mechanics

1579
02:36:40,920 --> 02:36:52,220
of city government and then for anyone to take on a very large initiative like this could

1580
02:36:52,220 --> 02:36:53,620
be daunting.

1581
02:36:54,360 --> 02:37:01,820
So we tee it up and then it's a lot easier for them to make decisions and decide what to do going forward.

1582
02:37:02,580 --> 02:37:16,540
Okay, so it's providing a resource a tool for a future council to take a look at and make their own decision on whether this is something they wish to pursue.

1583
02:37:16,540 --> 02:37:17,680
I think that's right.

1584
02:37:17,860 --> 02:37:23,040
I don't think at this point in time with three months left in the year.

1585
02:37:24,400 --> 02:37:31,020
Basically, I don't think there's any way this gets done before the new council seated and they take charge and make the decisions.

1586
02:37:31,480 --> 02:37:32,080
I really don't.

1587
02:37:34,330 --> 02:37:35,110
Thank you.

1588
02:37:36,850 --> 02:37:38,030
Call the member, Rhish.

1589
02:37:38,990 --> 02:37:39,990
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1590
02:37:41,630 --> 02:37:44,890
This bodes a lot of thought.

1591
02:37:44,890 --> 02:37:52,510
But I think to some of the initial things that the public wanted, they wanted a more upscaled restaurant.

1592
02:37:52,630 --> 02:37:53,830
I think we've accomplished that.

1593
02:37:56,010 --> 02:38:02,010
They wanted other public meeting centers and in our own way, we've sort of accomplished that as well.

1594
02:38:04,090 --> 02:38:09,650
I'm not smart enough to know the feasibility of the project.

1595
02:38:12,070 --> 02:38:14,430
Expanding or rebuilding the clubhouse?

1596
02:38:14,430 --> 02:38:18,290
Yeah, absolutely. I see that as as a need. I know the kitchen is

1597
02:38:19,750 --> 02:38:23,610
undersized for what we currently do. So I see

1598
02:38:24,430 --> 02:38:30,890
that is something coming up soon that's necessary. A greater event space

1599
02:38:31,890 --> 02:38:35,370
or parking structure or hotel.

1600
02:38:37,620 --> 02:38:39,800
Again, I'm not smart enough to say that there's

1601
02:38:40,980 --> 02:38:45,200
the need for that right now but I'm concerned in the economic situation.

1602
02:38:45,800 --> 02:38:47,780
Do we need a larger event space?

1603
02:38:48,620 --> 02:38:54,400
We're trying to deal with our parking which by the way, I think in a future council in the new way build Seattle

1604
02:38:54,400 --> 02:39:00,960
It's going to monetize itself. I'm kind of excited for the way I'm hearing it. It's not just a cost. I think it's going to be recoverable

1605
02:39:02,340 --> 02:39:03,660
And the hotel

1606
02:39:04,440 --> 02:39:07,020
Well, yeah, that sounds great. We need a hotel

1607
02:39:08,660 --> 02:39:14,160
I'm very concerned. I've written down Costa del Sol Residence about four times on this piece of paper

1608
02:39:16,540 --> 02:39:21,980
And I would never go anywhere without at least engaging the public in something like this.

1609
02:39:23,000 --> 02:39:28,080
So there's a lot of reservations, but but but means everything else doesn't matter

1610
02:39:28,080 --> 02:39:28,820
what I just said.

1611
02:39:28,980 --> 02:39:34,660
Now we're really going to talk about what I do, which is yeah, there it probably would

1612
02:39:34,660 --> 02:39:39,120
vote us well to understand that the feasibility moving forward economics turn.

1613
02:39:39,120 --> 02:39:53,880
Is this something that could be profitable at some side, but I'm just concerned it's a larger project than really we need right now.

1614
02:39:53,880 --> 02:39:59,740
and Councilmember Vasquez, something you said does resonate is we've got a number of projects.

1615
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:29,960
Going home right now, maybe we want to finish one of those first, unless this thing can prove to be an economic windfall, and then that'll fund other things. So moving forward, the feasibility study, as long as it's reasonable, I could see that moving beyond that. No, I right now couldn't see that at all. I'm just not wise enough to be able to say that's a huge need, which means I've gotten a big circle that

1616
02:40:29,960 --> 02:40:42,520
I guess, I'd be concerned if it's reasonable what that study would look like to be able to give a future council head start on all the projects, including that council

1617
02:40:45,720 --> 02:40:46,520
member Veskis.

1618
02:40:47,760 --> 02:40:59,860
Yeah, I still think we're better off holding just holding the project again, you know, we're basing all of this off of something that was done in 2021.

1619
02:40:59,860 --> 02:41:09,340
2021, it's 2026, and then, you know, with a new council, it doesn't make any sense.

1620
02:41:09,960 --> 02:41:18,300
I mean, I can appreciate, you know, giving, you know, at least a partial new council heads

1621
02:41:18,300 --> 02:41:24,820
up our assistance sort of a leg up, if you will, with this kind of a project, but I think

1622
02:41:24,820 --> 02:41:30,820
that in the long run, we would just be better off to let, you know, the new council decide

1623
02:41:31,680 --> 02:41:37,640
if they even want to do a feasibility study in the first place, so there's that.

1624
02:41:38,540 --> 02:41:45,300
And also, so just to sort of bring it back to, you know, what we're already undertaking

1625
02:41:45,300 --> 02:41:53,700
that, you know, in November of 2025, you know, it was voted to establish a $2 million capital

1626
02:41:53,700 --> 02:41:56,920
improvement project for the $6 million parking expansion, right?

1627
02:41:57,740 --> 02:42:02,780
And unfortunately, there was no plan at the time to how we were going to fund the remaining $4 million.

1628
02:42:04,040 --> 02:42:08,780
And so how we were able to make this happen, in other words, where the $2 million came from,

1629
02:42:09,420 --> 02:42:15,120
was the city used the fiscal year 2025-2026 general fund resources,

1630
02:42:15,640 --> 02:42:19,660
and reduced the economic uncertainty reserved by $900,000.

1631
02:42:19,660 --> 02:42:31,260
And that's how we established the parking lot capital improvement project, and funded other expenses like 800,000 for inter-departmental utility costs.

1632
02:42:32,000 --> 02:42:41,140
So to me what this means is that we reduced our reserves because we were having difficulty covering utility expenses.

1633
02:42:41,820 --> 02:42:48,280
While at the same time establishing a $6 million parking project without a plan for

1634
02:42:48,280 --> 02:42:50,240
how we were going to pay for the remaining $4 million.

1635
02:42:51,220 --> 02:42:54,940
And then five months later, in May of 2026,

1636
02:42:55,500 --> 02:42:59,880
there was a vote again to use the remaining $4 million

1637
02:42:59,880 --> 02:43:05,040
in bonds intended for the now defunct core area vision plan

1638
02:43:05,040 --> 02:43:07,240
to fund the parking lot, right?

1639
02:43:07,500 --> 02:43:14,020
So we're spending all of this money and at the same time,

1640
02:43:14,020 --> 02:43:21,240
And we're still saddled with that debt for all of the bonds that were issued, and we have this empty building.

1641
02:43:21,820 --> 02:43:30,900
So again, I think that we just, I can appreciate Brian, where you're coming from, as far as wanting to see this through.

1642
02:43:31,320 --> 02:43:42,160
But I really just don't think that it's the right time, and it's best to let the future council decide on how they want to proceed with this project.

1643
02:43:42,520 --> 02:43:42,840
Thank you.

1644
02:43:42,840 --> 02:43:43,820
Council

1645
02:43:46,380 --> 02:43:47,000
Member Gidell.

1646
02:43:47,340 --> 02:43:48,260
I thought I saw your name.

1647
02:43:50,990 --> 02:43:51,690
Yeah, thank you.

1648
02:43:51,910 --> 02:43:54,430
In terms of your questions, Council Member Rich,

1649
02:43:57,010 --> 02:44:02,670
I just would say that this was the first

1650
02:44:02,670 --> 02:44:08,910
project that we started working on before the other ones came up and joined the priority

1651
02:44:08,910 --> 02:44:09,350
list.

1652
02:44:09,350 --> 02:44:22,030
Okay, and that when we switched, council switched over, those came up the elevated higher, but now many of those have gone away or are being handled.

1653
02:44:22,670 --> 02:44:25,110
So, but this one has never gone away.

1654
02:44:25,610 --> 02:44:31,850
It's still just there, you know, and it's sure you could wait 10 years and do it in 10 years.

1655
02:44:32,210 --> 02:44:37,730
It's going to be 10 more years before you get any increased revenues off it if you wait 10 years.

1656
02:44:37,730 --> 02:44:43,770
so it's I mean right now it's it's like a no harm situation the golf course is

1657
02:44:43,770 --> 02:44:47,890
doing great it's just paying for itself and everyone seems to be very happy with

1658
02:44:47,890 --> 02:44:52,690
the golf course just the way it is but but we could generate so much more

1659
02:44:52,690 --> 02:44:58,710
revenue for our city and for other projects if we were to have a little more

1660
02:44:58,710 --> 02:44:59,870
or vision and say...

1661
02:45:00,300 --> 02:45:30,140
Hey, this is, this is an asset that we can really, I guess, you know, boost here and get a lot more revenue coming into our city for to help sustain things, you know, as you and as we all know, the prices and costs of everything are going up, particularly our big items are men in green and blue in the back of the room, and women, that's expensive, that's public safety element for our city. And it's something that we have to bear.

1662
02:45:30,140 --> 02:45:32,260
and we have to think about how we're going to do it.

1663
02:45:32,700 --> 02:45:37,160
How are we going to keep doing this for the next 20 to 50 years, 100 years?

1664
02:45:38,120 --> 02:45:42,140
We've got to think a little bit more out of the box in my opinion and say,

1665
02:45:42,500 --> 02:45:46,540
let's take advantage of assets that we can monetize.

1666
02:45:46,940 --> 02:45:50,240
And I think this is the best one that we have to do that.

1667
02:45:51,860 --> 02:45:52,420
Thank you.

1668
02:45:54,270 --> 02:45:55,490
Council member Reesh.

1669
02:45:58,190 --> 02:46:03,510
Mr. Pro Tem, that bodes the question, how long it takes government to do anything?

1670
02:46:04,410 --> 02:46:09,490
We just completed the traffic light at the lake that I started as a planning commissioner.

1671
02:46:10,690 --> 02:46:15,510
So I respect what you're saying there, and the reality is sometimes you have to evision.

1672
02:46:15,630 --> 02:46:22,490
We certainly do because we can't act no matter how excited we are about anything, it takes

1673
02:46:22,490 --> 02:46:24,310
time to do every government project.

1674
02:46:27,110 --> 02:46:34,630
So yeah, a feasibility study, maybe more than one, as economics move along, I think, or

1675
02:46:34,630 --> 02:46:35,330
boat well.

1676
02:46:35,650 --> 02:46:41,010
And I do lean towards the fact that, yeah, I think you've identified something that has

1677
02:46:41,010 --> 02:46:44,810
more potential, but it just isn't going to happen tomorrow.

1678
02:46:45,250 --> 02:46:51,790
So maybe we do need to look at that, realizing that no matter what we do, it may go into two

1679
02:46:51,790 --> 02:46:58,070
Councils it may not be this one it may be the next owner of the one beyond that so make a motion.

1680
02:46:59,810 --> 02:47:04,210
I move for a cost feasibility study for

1681
02:47:08,140 --> 02:47:11,820
the recommended action yes the recommended action

1682
02:47:11,820 --> 02:47:19,800
thank you okay thank you okay I heard a motion and I heard a second let me let me before

1683
02:47:19,800 --> 02:47:25,160
we go any further the let me ask staff again as I understood my notes the majority of this

1684
02:47:25,160 --> 02:47:27,000
We'll be able to do in-house, is that correct?

1685
02:47:27,380 --> 02:47:28,880
It means that she wants to be.

1686
02:47:29,260 --> 02:47:30,260
Yeah, I guess it's there.

1687
02:47:31,600 --> 02:47:33,060
No, that's not correct.

1688
02:47:35,160 --> 02:47:36,260
Well, there's two things.

1689
02:47:36,560 --> 02:47:39,760
You talked about the recommended action, so I just need clarification.

1690
02:47:40,940 --> 02:47:47,520
We also talked about the city staff hiring a consultant to do a fiscal and feasibility study.

1691
02:47:48,380 --> 02:47:53,660
There should be a little bit of cost, probably in the order for about $45,000 to do it that way.

1692
02:47:53,660 --> 02:47:59,320
But it definitely gives you more control, you sort of control the study more.

1693
02:48:00,860 --> 02:48:03,080
So I just want to point that out.

1694
02:48:03,240 --> 02:48:07,540
So we've got an estimated $45,000 cost, correct?

1695
02:48:07,980 --> 02:48:08,380
Correct.

1696
02:48:09,000 --> 02:48:18,960
Okay, and this study doesn't lock us in with any partnership, it's just a study to give

1697
02:48:18,960 --> 02:48:26,540
us additional information moving forward correct it would be the first part and then the second part

1698
02:48:26,540 --> 02:48:32,660
would then to go out and look for partners assuming we wanted to go further that it made sense

1699
02:48:33,860 --> 02:48:41,480
and that would I guess that's the part that needs to move it seems like public sentiment

1700
02:48:41,480 --> 02:48:48,120
is it needs to move into the next council rather than obligating ourselves all right so the

1701
02:48:49,060 --> 02:48:59,030
The dollar amounts $45,000, it'll give us a look at a clubhouse, an event space.

1702
02:49:00,330 --> 02:49:05,230
I'm not real excited about a parking structure hotel but at least I think it'll give us some numbers.

1703
02:49:06,210 --> 02:49:13,650
But if it gives us the clubhouse itself and what that'll do, I think that in itself will probably pay for itself.

1704
02:49:13,930 --> 02:49:17,830
So I move forward with my recommendation.

1705
02:49:20,390 --> 02:49:23,810
So that includes initiating a public

1706
02:49:23,810 --> 02:49:26,080
private part public private

1707
02:49:26,450 --> 02:49:28,210
partnership feasibility study

1708
02:49:28,210 --> 02:49:29,670
as well as

1709
02:49:32,970 --> 02:49:34,990
yes, okay, sorry.

1710
02:49:35,350 --> 02:49:37,290
Because there's two items here.

1711
02:49:37,410 --> 02:49:40,470
Okay, let's buy for business.

1712
02:49:41,090 --> 02:49:42,350
True, three items.

1713
02:49:43,170 --> 02:49:44,870
So I just want to be clear what your

1714
02:49:44,870 --> 02:49:45,530
motion is.

1715
02:49:45,530 --> 02:49:47,130
No, I see these items.

1716
02:49:49,490 --> 02:49:51,170
That's what I heard initially.

1717
02:49:51,170 --> 02:49:52,690
I see.

1718
02:49:53,510 --> 02:49:54,310
Three.

1719
02:50:00,980 --> 02:50:05,600
Well, we don't know what a public-private partnership would look like unless we find out what it is.

1720
02:50:08,120 --> 02:50:32,360
So yes, all three items. Okay. Okay. Councilmember Kelly. I think City Manager Lister kind of answered my question in her comments. I do support this. I think it's good to get this information and to move forward with looking at what the possibility

1721
02:50:32,360 --> 02:50:33,800
So I do support it.

1722
02:50:34,400 --> 02:50:34,800
Thank you.

1723
02:50:35,160 --> 02:50:35,940
Council Member Vesquez.

1724
02:50:36,840 --> 02:50:45,740
Well, again, I don't think that it's wise to spend money when you're going to have at least three new council members in the new year.

1725
02:50:46,100 --> 02:50:56,460
I mean, it just seems that, you know, it's kind of a nice gesture, but it's just one of those things that I think it's better decided when the time comes.

1726
02:50:56,460 --> 02:51:00,880
I mean, you never know that priorities could completely shift.

1727
02:51:01,660 --> 02:51:08,940
And it's funny that Bob mentioned Cosset Elso, because that's what I had also written down as far as,

1728
02:51:09,140 --> 02:51:15,940
I'm sure that the residents of Cosset Elso will not be happy with having all of this development around them.

1729
02:51:16,260 --> 02:51:26,180
Again, I think it's a great idea, I think that yes, we absolutely need to find more ways to generate new revenue.

1730
02:51:26,180 --> 02:51:32,580
absolutely but again doing some kind of a feasibility study just for the sake

1731
02:51:32,580 --> 02:51:40,800
of doing it just seems a little unnecessary to me at this time you know

1732
02:51:40,800 --> 02:51:47,620
again we still have the Stein mart building we still have the six million

1733
02:51:47,620 --> 02:51:53,320
dollar parking lot which you know that money could potentially be spent on

1734
02:51:53,320 --> 02:51:58,780
and renovating five to six parks, I mean, I know that we have the funds for

1735
02:51:59,520 --> 02:52:05,020
Barbadanes, and we have the funds for the Sierra Rec Center, and that's really great.

1736
02:52:05,240 --> 02:52:07,080
But what happens after that?

1737
02:52:07,700 --> 02:52:11,560
I mean, that's what we currently do not have funding for.

1738
02:52:12,700 --> 02:52:19,440
So, again, I think that we may be biting off more than we can chew.

1739
02:52:20,320 --> 02:52:34,420
And you know, these are really great ideas and I think in the future something like this would be wonderful, but I think for the time being we are best leaving that money, you know, those, those city funds alone.

1740
02:52:34,880 --> 02:52:49,100
I know it's not a ton of money and I get that, but I mean, we could also say, well then we could, let's say that $45,000 could fund half of the, you know, the senior ride program that we cut.

1741
02:52:49,100 --> 02:52:56,700
Right? I mean, you could use it for something like that instead. So, again, I think we're

1742
02:52:56,700 --> 02:53:02,540
just better off just, you know, letting this one go, letting this one, letting other people

1743
02:53:02,540 --> 02:53:06,600
make that decision in the future. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Rish.

1744
02:53:06,900 --> 02:53:11,680
And then I'll make a final comment. Right. Yeah, I only have one thing to say. And it's been

1745
02:53:11,680 --> 02:53:16,140
brought up here before that it seems like as a council, we shouldn't do anything anymore,

1746
02:53:16,140 --> 02:53:22,540
well, then why are we here? But why are we here? The point is, I think we're still an

1747
02:53:22,540 --> 02:53:27,280
active council the next three months. Otherwise, we might as well just go home and say everybody

1748
02:53:27,280 --> 02:53:33,080
come back in January. That does bother me. Otherwise, why am I doing what I'm doing? I think

1749
02:53:33,980 --> 02:53:37,900
there's three and a half years and somewhere there's 20 years with the experience sitting here.

1750
02:53:38,400 --> 02:53:43,240
Are you always going to make the right decisions? Time will tell. But if you make no decisions,

1751
02:53:43,240 --> 02:53:49,980
you know, what the result is, nothing. So, I'm not comfortable with always waiting for a new council. Thank you.

1752
02:53:50,340 --> 02:54:01,700
Thank you. Okay, so I just want to make a comment that I feel I was very sensitive to this. I feel that it was, that I told councilmember Gidell that I'm not comfortable

1753
02:54:01,700 --> 02:54:11,800
settling another council with a decision, a large decision on what's going to be done there. In other words, I don't believe that we should be doing

1754
02:54:11,800 --> 02:54:15,120
anything without the input of the surrounding community.

1755
02:54:15,600 --> 02:54:17,300
This does not do that.

1756
02:54:17,700 --> 02:54:22,380
This is a feasibility study to know what we could even talk to the surrounding community

1757
02:54:22,380 --> 02:54:22,760
about.

1758
02:54:23,760 --> 02:54:28,380
That's why this part of it makes sense for me and I'm going to go ahead and call the question

1759
02:54:28,380 --> 02:54:28,660
now.

1760
02:54:28,980 --> 02:54:30,100
I had one more comment.

1761
02:54:30,460 --> 02:54:31,380
I'm calling the question.

1762
02:54:31,680 --> 02:54:33,500
We've said the same thing over and over.

1763
02:54:34,160 --> 02:54:35,580
I'd like to call the question.

1764
02:54:35,620 --> 02:54:37,500
May I ask for clarification on the motion?

1765
02:54:37,500 --> 02:54:45,480
Is the motion to just direct staff to look into hiring a consultant to enter into a feasibility study?

1766
02:54:45,980 --> 02:54:48,780
Or is the motion also to approve the resolution?

1767
02:54:52,150 --> 02:54:53,330
It's the same perfectly done.

1768
02:54:54,270 --> 02:54:54,950
It's the action.

1769
02:54:56,280 --> 02:54:57,190
Yes, okay.

1770
02:54:57,950 --> 02:54:59,950
So I made a motion to call-

1771
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:29,980
Call for the question, which needs a second. And then we need to vote on that to end comments, correct? So is that correct, Mr. City Attorney? Correct. And just to clarify, once again, for the record, so the motion is items one, two, and three of the recommended action. Correct. Is that correct? Okay. Thank you. And if I could just chime in to on the third action, we will endeavor for 60 days.

1772
02:55:29,980 --> 02:55:32,760
But if we're hiring a consultant, I can't guarantee that.

1773
02:55:33,640 --> 02:55:35,380
So that's fine, just report back to us.

1774
02:55:35,480 --> 02:55:35,680
Okay.

1775
02:55:35,880 --> 02:55:36,920
Is, are you fine with that?

1776
02:55:37,560 --> 02:55:37,960
Okay.

1777
02:55:38,560 --> 02:55:40,080
Okay, so I'm calling for the question.

1778
02:55:41,720 --> 02:55:46,480
Say yes if you want to call for the question, that's what this vote is for.

1779
02:55:48,720 --> 02:55:50,900
Simply to call for the question, that's this vote.

1780
02:56:00,870 --> 02:56:02,390
Did you vote in lock it?

1781
02:56:08,130 --> 02:56:09,250
Okay, that passes.

1782
02:56:10,030 --> 02:56:11,670
I would like to make a comment about my vote.

1783
02:56:16,910 --> 02:56:17,970
It was a call the question.

1784
02:56:17,970 --> 02:56:22,170
It wasn't too approved, but you can make the comment after the next vote.

1785
02:56:23,050 --> 02:56:23,910
Is that correct?

1786
02:56:25,430 --> 02:56:26,130
Thank you.

1787
02:56:27,430 --> 02:56:30,170
Okay, now we're going to call for the question on the motion.

1788
02:56:35,720 --> 02:56:36,940
We're going to vote on that motion.

1789
02:56:37,560 --> 02:56:38,140
There we go.

1790
02:56:44,150 --> 02:56:45,710
Okay, Councilmember Raskis, go ahead.

1791
02:56:45,890 --> 02:56:46,950
You can make your statement.

1792
02:56:49,440 --> 02:56:55,420
So it's not a matter of stopping work of this council.

1793
02:56:55,660 --> 02:56:58,260
It's just a matter of making smart decisions.

1794
02:56:59,060 --> 02:57:09,060
And again, it's just one of those things looking at the bigger picture, giving a new council the opportunity to make that decision.

1795
02:57:09,280 --> 02:57:20,960
Again, it's nice to provide that information, but again, it's just better off being left to the next council.

1796
02:57:21,360 --> 02:57:21,660
Thank you.

1797
02:57:21,860 --> 02:57:22,140
Thank you.

1798
02:57:22,620 --> 02:57:24,760
Okay, we do make smart decisions up here.

1799
02:57:24,920 --> 02:57:26,800
All of us, thank you very much for that comment.

1800
02:57:27,440 --> 02:57:29,620
Okay, now it's my opportunity to speak.

1801
02:57:35,010 --> 02:57:35,710
Thank you.

1802
02:57:37,190 --> 02:57:37,670
Okay.

1803
02:57:38,230 --> 02:57:44,510
I have the opportunity to have a meeting with congresswoman young Kim with all the mayors in her district.

1804
02:57:45,010 --> 02:57:47,990
That was held in Villa Park and it was a really good conversation.

1805
02:57:49,310 --> 02:57:52,090
And I just wanted to report that to the community.

1806
02:57:52,350 --> 02:58:00,550
Talked about some of the things that congresswoman young Kim has been able to provide as far as funding goes for our community and it was an opportunity to thank her.

1807
02:58:01,150 --> 02:58:05,590
And then, I also wanted to highlight some things coming up.

1808
02:58:05,730 --> 02:58:18,110
Councilmember Kelly mentioned the event that is happening on 9-11, and I, and it's really also a tribute for the whole community to attend.

1809
02:58:18,370 --> 02:58:23,930
There's going to be a band that's playing and it's going to be a 9-11 tribute over at Mission VA High School.

1810
02:58:24,350 --> 02:58:30,530
Not only are we honoring some great people, but I want to encourage people to please come to that.

1811
02:58:30,530 --> 02:58:36,950
to honor 9-11 and then I'm going to go ahead and adjourn the meeting and I have two very special

1812
02:58:36,950 --> 02:58:42,670
people to adjourn the meeting and honor of and in memory of and the first one is my father.

1813
02:58:45,910 --> 02:58:55,030
Past away the morning after the last council meeting somewhat suddenly and he had an illness but it

1814
02:58:55,030 --> 02:59:01,830
definitely escalated faster than we anticipated. His name is Doug Burke and he was born in Buffalo,

1815
02:59:01,830 --> 02:59:30,210
in New York, and he worked at Bethlehem Steel for 30 years, and then did some contract work for the military because he was an expert at environmental safety and he was in charge of closing down Bethlehem Steel's deal mills at the end of his career, and I learned a lot about hard work from him, and he is the last of six brothers in the Burke family.

1816
02:59:30,210 --> 02:59:35,450
my grandmother had six boys, bless her heart, and he was the last one.

1817
02:59:35,570 --> 02:59:40,330
His brother, one of my favorite uncles, passed away just three months before him.

1818
02:59:43,490 --> 02:59:49,930
So in memory of him, it would be number one for me, and then of course, right there,

1819
02:59:50,110 --> 02:59:55,030
right behind him is our dear friend, and Commissioner, Mission Viejo City Commissioner,

1820
02:59:55,030 --> 02:59:59,690
Joe Blum, who passed away on a week ago.

1821
03:00:00,500 --> 03:00:29,140
Sunday, August 30th. And Joe, I know we, we, Brian had a very heartfelt prayer at the last meeting. And Joe, unfortunately, succumbed to some significant illnesses with a double pneumonia. And, and was taken very good care of at Mission Hospital, but he just couldn't overcome the challenges that he faced. So he was a long time mission be a resident.

1822
03:00:29,140 --> 03:00:36,720
President, I think he came here at a similar time as you, Brian, 1970s just so after you.

1823
03:00:38,020 --> 03:00:40,120
Went to high school at Mission VAO, high school.

1824
03:00:40,900 --> 03:00:49,300
His family was very involved in the development of a lot of Rancho Mission VAO, Rancho Santa

1825
03:00:49,300 --> 03:00:49,860
Margarita.

1826
03:00:50,380 --> 03:00:55,640
I believe Lidera Ranch, even a bit of Mission VAO, as well as Rancho Mission VAO.

1827
03:00:55,640 --> 03:01:01,420
So Christopher Park is named after his brother who died at a very young age.

1828
03:01:02,740 --> 03:01:13,300
So the Blum family is a amazing family in part of our heritage of Mission B.A.O.

1829
03:01:14,000 --> 03:01:15,880
And Joe was a good friend to anybody he met.

1830
03:01:17,060 --> 03:01:22,960
And I know that Brian and Joe went to high school together and Brian has long stories of lots

1831
03:01:22,960 --> 03:01:28,180
of shenanigans that you got into, but his services are going to be held at St.

1832
03:01:28,440 --> 03:01:36,680
Killians. Next Thursday, the 17th at 10am, and I know there will be many in the

1833
03:01:36,680 --> 03:01:41,820
Michigan Bayhood community. I know people are flying in for that to honor Joe and

1834
03:01:41,820 --> 03:01:47,040
honor Paula. You may have noticed that our city flags were at half-staffed beyond

1835
03:01:47,040 --> 03:01:56,060
on the Dolly Parton half-staff, and that was in honor of Joe Blum and the legacy that

1836
03:01:56,060 --> 03:02:03,920
he has left for the City of Mission B.A. Ho. So in memory of those two fine men, I adjourned

1837
03:02:03,920 --> 03:02:05,980
in the meeting until September 20th.