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Appcate

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together.

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My grandma's finger. There must be

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Hallelujah.

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celebrate

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now. I love

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I know. I was going

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to go.

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night, how many more?

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coming.

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Are you

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not the speakers on.

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Call this meeting to order. Start with

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the pledge of

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allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One

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nation indivisible with liberty and

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justice for all. Next is invocation by

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first Lutheran.

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Okay, roll call.

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Stabers here. Goldmer here. Hi. Mard

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here. Jack here. Here. Sharks here.

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Here.

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All right, we have a quorum. Approval of

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consent agenda items. Items appearing on

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the consent agenda may be removed by a

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city council member for discussion. the

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beginning of the formal agenda items.

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Move to approve. Second. Motion by Mr.

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Mardle. Second by Mr. Goldhammer. Any

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agenda? Okay. Roll call. Doer. Hi. Hi.

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Barington. Hi. Baskkey. Hi. Charts. Hi.

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motion carries. Citizens input. If you

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need to address the mayor and members of

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city council on an item that was not on

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the agenda, excluding personnel items,

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please come forward to the podium and

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state your name and your concern.

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no action will be taken at this time.

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Would anyone like to address the

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council?

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I'm Karen Pulley from

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the Mitchell Food Pantry and I'm here to

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report on the Easter ham dinner

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giveaway. Uh we had planned to give away

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200 meals and then on the Friday before

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we got 42 hams from a donation and so

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then we said we had to do 242

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boxes which we did. I think it all went

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well because I didn't see any uniform

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um, we included in each box besides the

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ham and a gallon of white milk was 5 lbs

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of fresh potatoes and 2 lbs of fresh

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carrots, three lbs of fresh apples, a

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pound of fresh onions and two cans of

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green beans, a package of dinner rolls

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or a loaf of bread, a pound of butter or

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margarine, a dozen eggs, a package of

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cookies, Pepsi, and then a package of

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pinto beans with a recipe so they can

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make bean and ham soup.

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The value of this meal purchased locally

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with items that are on sale was

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$62.39. The 242 households came in 190

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cars and those households included 133

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seniors, 268 adults, 249 kids for 650

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people that got an Easter dinner. Most

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came from Mitchell, but some come from

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volunteers donated 100 man hours on just

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that day to get the event done. So,

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thanks to Dan for paying for our

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fees, for Josh for Thanksing the lot,

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the council for approving it, and all

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the volunteers who helped make this

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Thank you to you, Karen. Thank you.

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else? Hello everybody. Uh my name is

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Christian and I just am here uh to

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formally introduce myself as the

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executive director over at the Mitchell

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Prehistoric Indian Village. Um and

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actually talk about just a little bit of

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what we have going on. Um we a little

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bit about myself. Like I said, my name

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is Christian. I'm originally from

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Houston, Texas, and I have moved myself

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up here to be the director. And we have

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a lot of exciting things going on. Um

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one, we just recently went through a

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name change to include the term

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archaeological in our name. We think

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that's going to draw a lot more visitors

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into our site. And as part of our

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conversations we've been having with the

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Chamber of Commerce, um we've been

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talking about how to make Mitchell a

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stayover versus a stopover site. And we

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believe that the Mitchell site is really

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an integral part in that. On average,

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people spend about an hour and 20

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minutes over at the village. And um we

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really think that is important for again

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just kind of bringing in a little bit

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more revenue and a little bit more

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business into the city of Mitchell as a

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whole. Um, we also have set a record

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number of school tours for this month,

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which we continue to offer for free due

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to the generosity of um, you know,

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funding from people like y'all. Um, we

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also are going to have our archaeology

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awareness days on June 14th. Um, our day

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on June 14th and we encourage everybody

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to come out and see it. We're going to

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have a lot of fun stuff going on. And

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yeah, just kind of wanted to kind of

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humbly present myself as the new

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executive director and formally invite

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all y'all to come out and get a personal

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tour for myself, take you all onto the

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the floor of the actual dig site itself,

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and just kind of tell you guys a little

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bit more about what we're looking to do

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to update and modernize the village um

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and really kind of proceed with a new

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vision. So, thank you guys for letting

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me come up here and hopefully we'll see

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you guys over at the village soon. Thank

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you. Thank you.

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Good evening, council. My name is

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Johanna and I am with the Mitchell

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Chamber and Convention and Visitors

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Bureau. So, I wanted to come talk to you

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guys tonight because this week is the

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2025 National Travel and Tourism Week.

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Um, so I wanted to talk to you about

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some ways that we're celebrating and

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some important stats when it comes to

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tourism. So, first off, we are um

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lighting up the Corn Palace red. If you

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didn't know, red is the national color

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that represents tourism. and then visit

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Mitchell will be doing some social media

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promotions throughout the week as well.

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And just a reminder as we move forward

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um through these stats, tourism is the

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second largest economic driver in South

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Dakota under agriculture. So tourism is

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very important to our state and to our

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city. So starting off with some

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statewide numbers, in 2024 we had 5.1

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billion in visitor spending in the state

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and that generated $399 million in state

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and local taxes. And then um kind of

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breaking it down into Davidson County. I

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know I've shared these numbers before,

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but I wanted to reiterate. We had $118.4

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million in visitor spending, which is a

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3.3% growth from 2023, which had

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114.6 million. So thatund 118.4 million

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generated $9.1 million in state and

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local taxes. And this is money spent by

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people who live 50 miles and farther out

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of Mitchell. They come here, spend their

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money, and it helps generate tax revenue

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for us from people that don't actually

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live in Mitchell. So, we market to both

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regional and outofstate uh groups, and

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we target people who we know are

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potential visitors to the area. And all

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of this data we get from Travel South

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Dakota. It's all available online. If

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you go to their economic dashboard, you

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can view all of this data on there. Um,

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and Travel South Dakota, if you didn't

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know, it's our state tourism office. So,

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we work very closely with them. Um, and

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just to wrap it up, I just think these

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numbers show how important travel and

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tourism is to our state. And I want to

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thank the council and the mayor for

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supporting um, what we do. Thank you.

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you. Anyone else? We got a long list

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today.

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Greetings. I'm Elizabeth with Mitchell

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Mainstream Beyond. And what a week we've

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had in Mitchell. Uh, if you didn't know,

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the dessert rumble is happening actively

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right now and that delicious dessert

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competition is happening until the end

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of the month and you can use the

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Everything Mitch app to find the

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participating businesses. On a in last

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weekend in April, we had ladies day out

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and it was a record. We had 41

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participating businesses. We hadund

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sorry

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1,832 entries this year, which is two

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over 200 more than we had last year. I

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had the joy of going through every

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single one and seeing where they came

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from. They came from anywhere from the

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farthest one away was Phoenix, Arizona

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who was just visiting family to Hiron.

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Minnesota. Sou Falls had a lot. And then

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a lot of our rural communities that

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surround us came. So that's a very large

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impact. We did ask the small business

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owners what their average sale was that

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day. And it ranged from anywhere from

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$25 throughout the whole day to an

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average of $100 to a couple kitchens

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getting sold at our bigger real. So like

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this average is all over the board. But

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if we just take that

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$1,800$1,832 just times $25 as an

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average. should say they fueled up their

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tanks to go home, which a tank of gas

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does not cost $25 unfortunately, but it

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was a $45,000 $800 a

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$45,800 economic impact of taxable

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revenue from that one event of ours. We

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also had first Fridays last week where I

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got I was a little busy down with Hope,

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so I didn't get to see the crowd. I got

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told it was packed. It was fun. And then

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it got a little chilly, but it's okay.

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It was our first one. And then if you

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were at Hope, I really appreciated

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seeing you guys in the crowd. It's

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amazing the turnout we had with Dakota

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News Now, our local news, and the whole

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community that came out to support it.

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Um, I really appreciate you guys letting

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us do this. Hope is a beacon of a

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brighter future for Mitchell. And I am

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happy to keep this legend alive and keep

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going forward as Mitchell mainstream

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beyond. Elizabeth, do we have any

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pictures of hope for these guys to see

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because it's so impressive? Do we can we

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pull that up? Not off the cuff, but if

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we go to Mitchell Mainstream Beyond on

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Facebook, uh you can find it on there.

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Um some background real quick. Hope is

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over 10 ft tall. It is based off of the

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Hope grain from World War II where a

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South Dakota farmer, Edgar S. McFaten,

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crossbreed two germinations of wheat to

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make it rust resistant. And it led to

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our nation not starving. And it also

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honors our agriculture history here in

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Mitchell as who we are. And it ties to

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our roots. And there's a deeper story

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that Clark has with this as well.

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There's interactive elements. Tell them

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who Clark is. Clark Markinick is a

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nationally renowned blacksmith artist.

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He has pieces coast to coast, a lot of

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pieces in Sou Falls. And he's actually

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becoming international, internationally

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known. There's books written after him.

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And we have the joy of Mitchell being

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his home. He's this kind of a hidden gem

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diamond in the rough that is passionate

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about bringing art to his hometown

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Mitchell so that the next generations

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have a way to express themselves and ma

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main street has all and whole town of

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Mitchell we hope to grow it to there's

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different mediums of art there's fine

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art and sculpture art and then there's

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different murals of art there you go

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that's kind of a from Mitchell Republic

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there I think they had like 33 pictures

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that they were so grateful to take if

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you click

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It's okay if you scroll back. That's

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okay. That's a good one right there. You

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can see it behind Clark's head. It all

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the interactive pieces on it mean

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something to the story. And as we get

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that story board, the my big white

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board's still out there, very aware. But

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um there is going to be a storyboard

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between that bench and the hope statue

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where it's going to have all the drone

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footage and the whole story with a QR

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code with Clark's voice over of what the

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statue means, but also leave it open

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open to interpretation for those to find

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their own meaning. You might relate to

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the mouse that's at the bottom of the

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statue just getting the scraps from

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harvest or you might be the bird that's

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constantly on the hunt for that morning

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that early bird gets the worm. There's

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different pieces. There's hidden

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ladybugs in it. And he asked me like,

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"Liz, what what bug did I miss?" And I

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was like, "I kind of like butterflies."

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And he's like, "Ah, it's too late for a

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butterfly." But he did build a

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crystallis on the back of it so that it

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can transform into a

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bigger bigger thing on Main Street and

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keep that dream growing and grow more

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art on Maine. And then tell them about

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the hope um award that you plan. Yeah,

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absolutely. So, the Hope Spirit Award

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will be for years to come. It's going to

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kick off this year. It's going to be

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open to anybody in Mitchell to nominate

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anyone. I'm still building the website,

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so give me a moment. It is going to be a

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one-pager where you can nominate someone

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that inspired hope in the Mitchell

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community. And I'm envisioning a one one

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question, one pager because I'm going to

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probably be the one that reads through

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them all. And then the foundation board

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will come back together and read through

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the applications. And then we'll select

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that one person that inspired Hope and

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Mitchell that year. And it will just

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keep going. And that uh the nominee will

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receive a 10-in version of the 10-ft

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statue of hope at the annual Mitchell

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Mains from Beyond Chamber and

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Development Corporation award banquet

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along with our Mitchell Main Street

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Champion

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Award. Yeah. I just have to tell you how

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proud I was that night of you and the

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board and the artist and maybe just

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mention who the sponsors were just.

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Yeah, absolutely. That's a great point.

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I have technically no. I have been

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meaning to jump in

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because Okay, never mind. Yep. All good.

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We appreciate our sponsors and you can

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figure it out on your own. Yes,

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absolutely. All is

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well. Yep. All is good. Thank you guys.

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Okay. Thank you. All right. Does anyone

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else wish to address the council?

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Okay, this is my third time. You know,

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three times a charm, I guess. My name is

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Tom Fergen. Uh we were able to buy a lot

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number one on India Head Development

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1976 with a beautiful view of the lake

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and still have that beautiful

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view. The city council speaks for the

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people of Mitchell. I was

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told if you cannot trust someone 100%

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you're going to have a

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problem. I am concerned about those who

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limited income can afford to buy a

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fishing license who spend time fishing

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Lake Mitchell as a way to

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relax. These are the same people who do

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not have the income to go on extended

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vacation outside of South

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Dakota. I am concerned that these people

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today who are catching fish will not

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have any fish to catch once the lake is

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drained. fish habitat will be destroyed.

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Some are estimating it'll be 10 years

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after lake has been dredged before

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they're fish to catch in the lake again.

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I am concerned about lakefront houses

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that are up for sale

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today. Many bring their grandchildren

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here to jet ski enjoy fishing from the

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retaining

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walls. I am concerned about knowing fire

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steel creek stars from western spring

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flows into Lake Mitchell. Cattle

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drinking out of the fire steel creek. I

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am concerned there will still be the

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blue allergy after the lake is

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drenched. I am concerned. Why you

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draining the lake first and then asking

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for bids? Aren't you putting yourself at

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the mercy of the

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contractors? Last year we had 10in rain

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in June. Our neighbors deck was covered

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with a blue algae film. Years ago we

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extended the height of the spillway. I

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biologists told me we should have kept

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the height at the level it was at so

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when you get a rain you can wash the

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algae out of the lake. Last June after

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tennis raid the lake was in good shape

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because a lot of blue algae washed

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out. I'm concerned about those who have

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100% certainty in this project that the

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dredging project will will work out as

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predicted on paper. The engineer

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convince this project what we need. If

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mother nature does not give us if mother

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give us a drought when will lake

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bitchell be at a current level? Thank

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you for your listen to me. I appreciate

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it.

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Thank you. Can I give out copies of

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this? Sure. hand them to Mike and Hill.

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Okay, just pass. I'll keep one for

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myself for good measure or

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two. Would anyone else like to address

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the council? I got one. Thank you.

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Okay. Next is mayor and city council

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discussion items.

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I have one now. Now you have unlimited

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time. Thanks for the thanks for the tip,

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um, Justin. So, I'd like to have

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Elizabeth from Mitchell Main Street come

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back up because there are just a few

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items of unfinished business that I'd

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like her to tell you about about Hope.

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Maybe talk a little bit about the

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sponsorships because I think that's

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really an important aspect of this.

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Yeah, absolutely. So, we had the

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foundation sponsors that helped

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immensely make this happen, which was

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Plains Commerce Bank, Clockworks, and

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the Adamos family. We had some new era

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sponsors as well which were the Mitchell

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Area Charitable Foundation and the

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Mitchell Area Alliance Club. And then we

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had some smaller donations from Bugleman

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Family Insurance. Uh the city of

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Mitchell helped us greatly with the

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bumpouts and making this possible.

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Mquar, what's the engineering names? Joe

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Mcquaryy Engineering that helped us make

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the bumpouts possible. There's a lot of

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entities that came together to make

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Mitchell's Main Street that next step

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into the future and revitalizing it down

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there. One of the things I wasn't aware

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of until I saw your post was the process

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that it took to put it in place, which

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was really impressive. Do you want to

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just talk a little bit about that? So,

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Northwestern Energy, uh, they have

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building a brighter future in our

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community, and they reached out and

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asked if they could if we could use a

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hand installing this 500 lb statue,

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which they have the right tools to make

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that a very easy job, thankfully. So,

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they had seven of their team members out

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there with a very large truck. Don't

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hold me to what that large truck was

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called right now, but they picked it up.

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We got a great photo opportunity with

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Hope in the middle of the air with the

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Corn Palace in the background. And

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thanks to their equipment, we were able

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to install it smooth as butter that day.

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It was just a great opportunity. And we

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did install 24 hours ahead of time to

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make sure we had a a buffer and have a

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time to

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react. And I just want to add that this

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is hopefully just the first sculpture

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that this is one of many that will come

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in the future and we'll have a sculpture

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walk um that will adorn our Mitchell and

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historic correct um Main Street, the

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historic district. So that's exciting.

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Thank you. Yes. Thank you, ma'am.

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I just want to I went to Armor the other

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day to purchase some trees and Joe,

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correct me if I'm wrong, but they're

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putting water pipe in the ground.

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Yeah, they probably had a quarter mile

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in the ground already. I was surprised.

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The Randall thing. Yeah. H They were

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going under 281. Really? Yeah.

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Huh. Very interesting.

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Okay. Anything else before we move on?

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All righty. Board of adjustment.

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Entertain a motion for the city council

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to recess and sit as a board of

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adjustment.

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So moved. Motion by Mr. Gohammer.

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Second by Mr. Bathky. All those in favor

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of the motion say I. I. Same sign.

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Motion carries. Action to set the date

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of the board of adjustment hearings

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519-25. It's for all of these. Move to

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set the date. Second. Motion by Mr.

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Goldhammer. Second by Mr. Murdle. Any

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further

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discussion? Would anyone in the audience

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like to discuss

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this? All those in favor of the motion

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say I. I. Post. Same sign. Motion

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carries. Entertain a motion. Oh,

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reconvene the city council entertain a

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motion for the board of adjustment to

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adjurnn and the city council to

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reconvene into regular session. So

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moved. Motion by Mrs. Turks. Second by

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Mr. Bington. All those in favor of the

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motion say I. Post. Same sign. Motion

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carries. Roger. music presentation on

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visitor

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spending. Rogers asked us to give us a

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presentation on visitor

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spending. Well, mayor and city council,

540
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,120
you're up to listen to me one more time.

541
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:18,320
Um, the last time I was here, we had a

542
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,320
presentation by the tourist uh

543
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,080
organization that indicated that

544
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,480
Mitchell had received, I think it was

545
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,520
$114 million in

546
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,640
um visitor or tourist revenue, which was

547
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,120
a tremendous shock to me. And I had

548
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:37,080
worked with Dr. Brown on the study in

549
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,720
2012 which analyzed the Mitchell

550
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,760
economic situation and he made it very

551
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,159
very clear that we had a tremendous pull

552
00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:49,120
factor meaning we had shoppers that came

553
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:53,120
from Platt Winter Chamberlain and do

554
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:56,000
their daily shopping or weekly shopping

555
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,600
in Mitchell and we also had some

556
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,640
tourists and those were two totally

557
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,559
different things. And I think up until

558
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,520
the last week, anytime you heard people

559
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,200
talk about tourists, they talked about

560
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,400
the revenue from both of those

561
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,000
organizations instead of, you know, what

562
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,279
is the tourist revenue and what is the

563
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:23,720
regional visitors. Um, and

564
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,240
I decided I was going to figure out what

565
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,320
the difference is. Dr. Brown told us we

566
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,720
need to to make sure we count those as

567
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,960
different numbers. and they uh should be

568
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,799
uh marketed to totally differently

569
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:40,559
too. Um can you real quick just tell

570
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:42,000
everyone what who everyone at home for

571
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,080
who Dr. Brown is? Oh, sure. Dr. Brown

572
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,559
was the South Dakota state economist for

573
00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:48,840
many many years. He was a professor at

574
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,799
USD was the I don't know 15 or 20 years

575
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:55,440
was the number one economist in South

576
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,760
Dakota. And he had done the study. We

577
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,679
hired him at the development I believe

578
00:26:59,679 --> 00:27:02,000
hired him and he did a real nice study

579
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,640
for us and I made sure all of you guys

580
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,520
had that in the last couple meetings

581
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,240
because uh I think it's I don't think

582
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,080
you can make good decisions without

583
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,360
understanding the Mitchell economy and

584
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,919
he attempted to explain the Mitchell

585
00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:20,080
economy to us and his number one

586
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,600
recommendation is we should promote jobs

587
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,240
in Mitchell that are high-paying jobs

588
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,440
and bring money into Mitchell. He always

589
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,120
used the example, if you're trying to

590
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,440
improve your economy, you don't

591
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,159
necessarily go recruit more barbers, you

592
00:27:36,159 --> 00:27:38,320
recruit more businesses that will bring

593
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,080
heads to Mitchell and that will

594
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,480
automatically bring more barbers to

595
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,919
Mitchell. And he had a

596
00:27:44,919 --> 00:27:48,960
very elaborate uh presentation and he

597
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,799
got all of his numbers from the state

598
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:53,360
website on the labor that is spent in

599
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:55,520
Mitchell. you know, how are the labor

600
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,080
dollars that go

601
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,640
to that uh people pay their employees in

602
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,960
Mitchell in the different categories and

603
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,080
you can get that from the state

604
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,399
website. Um anyway, I was shocked when I

605
00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:12,559
saw that $114 million because I had sat

606
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:15,679
through Dr. Brown's study and he didn't

607
00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:18,320
have it anywhere close to that. He had

608
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,360
high regional spending but not very high

609
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:24,559
tourist numbers. So, I got my son Cody

610
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:27,520
to write a program and he went to the

611
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,159
state website and pulled all of the

612
00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:34,480
state numbers for sales for South Dakota

613
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,279
for different towns and different

614
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:38,640
categories for a couple years. I think

615
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,120
he did 20 23 and 24 or 22 and 23,

616
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,919
whatever, whatever was widely available.

617
00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:48,000
and he wrote a program where you could

618
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,080
go in and figure out what what was uh

619
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,960
summer tourist type sales and what was

620
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,159
non- tourist type sales. And if you look

621
00:28:58,159 --> 00:29:02,159
at uh the sec well the second page of

622
00:29:02,159 --> 00:29:04,640
what I handed out to you shows after we

623
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,559
did the study I got to thinking well

624
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:09,919
should I should ask chat GPT how we

625
00:29:09,919 --> 00:29:13,039
should do this analysis. So I went in

626
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:14,799
and said, "How can I determine the

627
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:17,760
summer tourist economic impact based on

628
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,640
just the monthly sales data, which is

629
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,880
that was the data we had available." And

630
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,600
it told us exactly what to do. And it

631
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,480
was effectively take the eight months

632
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,760
sales that are not summer, figure that

633
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,080
out, take the four month sales that are

634
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,320
summer and figure the difference. And

635
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,039
that's your summer tourist bump, I'll

636
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:42,559
call it. And uh that's exactly what we

637
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:45,120
had done. I was glad it confirmed what

638
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,440
we had done was correct. In the last

639
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,960
part of it, it says you can do uh

640
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,440
analysis based from year to year and if

641
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,600
if there's inflation and stuff, you can

642
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,919
take those kinds of things in into

643
00:29:57,919 --> 00:30:00,080
account. And I wasn't into getting that

644
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,240
accurate. I was looking for a highle

645
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,520
number of what does it amount to. So, if

646
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,720
you turn to the third sheet, and I I did

647
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,679
sit down with Mike from the chamber and

648
00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:14,720
Jared and or Jordan and uh Stephanie and

649
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,799
showed them the program, and Stephanie's

650
00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:18,559
actually got the program, she can run

651
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:21,760
it, but instead of uh running the

652
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,760
programs, I did the printouts from it so

653
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,080
we could have them more accurate. And

654
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,480
you can pick the towns that you want to

655
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,399
compare with. And in this case, I picked

656
00:30:31,399 --> 00:30:35,039
Brandon Mitchell Chamberlain Heron shows

657
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:36,200
the total

658
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:41,000
sales at the top number 772 million for

659
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,399
Mitchell and it shows the population and

660
00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:47,360
then it shows the total per capita and

661
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,360
this is what's really documenting our

662
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,159
pull factor. We're getting uh you know

663
00:30:52,159 --> 00:30:55,360
almost twice as much per person as

664
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,520
Brandon does. Well, that's because

665
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,039
Brandon doesn't have winter plat all the

666
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:03,679
towns, especially to the south and west

667
00:31:03,679 --> 00:31:08,320
of us to come shop in Mitchell. And at

668
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,480
least when Dr. Brown did the study, that

669
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,240
was the highest of any town in South

670
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,320
Dakota. I I don't know if it still is,

671
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,120
but it's awful close if it's not. So,

672
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,120
we're getting twice as many daily

673
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,600
shoppers here as we deserve. So, we need

674
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,320
to always thank the small towns around

675
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,880
South Dakota. And to me, whenever we

676
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,720
talk about our great sales tax in

677
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,799
Mitchell, we need to give them credit

678
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:34,120
for it because that's where it's coming

679
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,799
from. If you look at the baseline,

680
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:39,360
that's the average of the eight months

681
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,320
that are not counted as summer months.

682
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,720
And in this slide, it's or sheet, it's

683
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,039
May through August is summer written at

684
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:51,919
the top. And the baseline is $64 million

685
00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:54,159
per month. And then you look at the

686
00:31:54,159 --> 00:31:58,039
summer months and it's

687
00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:05,710
64,781 with a difference of $655.

688
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,159
$655,000. You look at other cities,

689
00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:11,279
Brandon, Chamberlain, Hurin shows the

690
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:14,509
percentage

691
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:17,760
difference, which you can see Mitchell

692
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,559
is a slightly higher than her, but not

693
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:22,720
higher than any of the other towns. And

694
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,960
the really the percent increase is

695
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,399
almost insignificant. This is 34. Now

696
00:32:28,399 --> 00:32:30,159
you can do it for a different year.

697
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:32,080
You'll get different numbers, but you

698
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,039
always get a very low

699
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:37,679
number. You know, this is $2 million out

700
00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:40,519
of $700

701
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:43,480
million. Okay. If you go to the next

702
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,159
page, I didn't know what what four

703
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:47,919
months should be counted as summer. So,

704
00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:50,080
I did it over again with June through

705
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,720
through September as summer months

706
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,279
instead of the other ones. And you can

707
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:57,200
see the numbers are different, but uh

708
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,679
they're still very very small. In this

709
00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:03,799
case, it's n $9 million a

710
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:07,519
year, which is significant, but not

711
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:10,200
compared to 700

712
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,200
million. And obviously there are just

713
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,000
year-to-year variations that are, you

714
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,360
know, minor. But to me, this showed me

715
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,760
that thisund was it 114 million from

716
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,880
tourists, that's like 90 99% from

717
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,440
visitors to the southeast of us that

718
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,440
come over and buy their stuff in

719
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,760
Mitchell, Chamberlain, Kimble, those

720
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,399
kinds of things. A little tiny bit from

721
00:33:36,399 --> 00:33:42,230
tourists.

722
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,320
is people understand what I did here

723
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,440
because I tried to keep it as simple as

724
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,679
possible.

725
00:33:48,679 --> 00:33:51,760
Um the other thing the program does is

726
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,600
it allows us to look at the different

727
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,519
categories. How much was hotels, how

728
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:58,159
much was eating, how much was all the

729
00:33:58,159 --> 00:34:00,159
different typical categories that would

730
00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:01,880
be associated with

731
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,960
hotels or tourists. It clearly shows

732
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,760
the, you know, hotels going up in the

733
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,760
summertime and we actually peak about

734
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,000
beginning a hunting season and Dakota

735
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,399
Fest, I would say, is probably our our

736
00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:18,800
best time for tourists, but it's still a

737
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,440
small percentage of what what our

738
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:26,550
economics is here in Mitchell.

739
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,520
the I went to after I did this, I said,

740
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,520
"Well, how can I be so much different

741
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,159
than the state of South Dakota?" I went

742
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,399
to their website and I found the little

743
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:39,760
tiny print that says anybody from that

744
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,639
travels more than 50 miles or stays

745
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,639
overnight, they classify as a visitor,

746
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,320
which I don't think if I asked a

747
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,040
thousand people in Mitchell, you know,

748
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,040
where are tourists coming from? Nobody

749
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,200
would tell me

750
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,800
Chamberlain. I mean, no, I don't think

751
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,839
any of us count that as tourist. We

752
00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:02,320
count that as regional visitors. Hell,

753
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,000
there's people in South Dakota that go

754
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:09,510
more than 50 miles to school.

755
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,760
So, as far as I'm concerned, when the

756
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,720
state says, you know, they're the second

757
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:17,440
largest, tourism is the second largest

758
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,160
industry in South Dakota, that's totally

759
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,280
false as far as what the general concept

760
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,320
of what a tourist

761
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,760
is. You know, from their standpoint,

762
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,839
every every time you go to Sou Falls,

763
00:35:29,839 --> 00:35:31,839
everything you buy is counted is counted

764
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:34,480
as tourist revenue. I I don't think any

765
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,839
of us assume that.

766
00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:40,240
Dr. Brown was very clear in his study,

767
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,240
you need to differentiate between the

768
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:43,920
two of them because they're totally

769
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,760
different, a tourist and a regional

770
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,160
visitor.

771
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,440
So, what do you think is the

772
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,440
second leading in in South Dakota?

773
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,200
Uhhuh. Revenue generator. Oh,

774
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,320
I think you'd probably just see what

775
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,000
number three is and then call that

776
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,680
number. Yeah, I don't know what it is,

777
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,240
but it's whatever number three is, but

778
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,079
they're not advertising that they're the

779
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:11,040
number three where the state department

780
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,200
of transportation or they're advertising

781
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,560
that as the big deal. And I I think it's

782
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,480
totally false. I don't think there's

783
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,960
anybody that would count when you go to

784
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,040
Sou Falls and buy something that you're

785
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,829
a

786
00:36:28,839 --> 00:36:31,760
tourist. And as I say, Dr. Brown who was

787
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,960
a state economist for 20 years made it

788
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,640
very very clear that you need to

789
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,880
differentiate between a regional visitor

790
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,920
and a tourist because they're to two

791
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,790
totally different

792
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,320
things. Um I have a quote on page three

793
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,560
that I thought was very appropriate. If

794
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,640
you start fooling your shareholders, you

795
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,920
will soon believe your own baloney and

796
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,480
be fooling yourself as well. And I think

797
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,480
that's where we're at. That's a quote

798
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,950
from Warren

799
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,280
Buffett. I then uh the reason I think

800
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,760
it's really

801
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,160
important is we in Mitchell have heard

802
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,359
how terrorism drives our economy for the

803
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:18,839
last 50

804
00:37:18,839 --> 00:37:21,880
years. Dr. Brown was an attempt to try

805
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,800
to get that down to what really drives

806
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,440
our economy. and he told us I think over

807
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,480
the last 20 years we forgot and a lot of

808
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,000
people have changed and uh

809
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,200
understandably but if you don't

810
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,400
understand what drives your economy you

811
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,480
as councilman mayor can't make good

812
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,119
decisions of how to improve our economy

813
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:45,119
and the people when they have to vote on

814
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:48,079
something they've got incorrect

815
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:50,079
information because they think tourism

816
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:53,119
is the most important thing in Mitchell

817
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:57,310
and it just isn't

818
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,400
Um, anybody disagree with me here

819
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,680
because or I I gladly research more or

820
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,520
figure out something else. So I I guess

821
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,320
my question for you

822
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,880
is whether I mean I can see that you're

823
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,200
drawing a difference between 114 million

824
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,280
and 9 million. That's that's a little

825
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,960
bit different, right? So what's the

826
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,320
bottom line for you? Like you don't

827
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,359
think we should be giving any uh don't

828
00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:23,520
any money to these subsidy requests. Is

829
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,680
that what you're saying? Subsidy

830
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,280
requests have nothing to do with this.

831
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,520
So what's your tell me when you're

832
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,240
making significant dollar decisions on

833
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,960
what we should do to improve Mitchell,

834
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,280
the tourist is a tiny little part of

835
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,680
that compared to other things in

836
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,760
Mitchell. And I went ahead and I got

837
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,240
Cody to write some more programs for me

838
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:50,640
to go into the state labor uh website

839
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,640
where they have all the labor dollars by

840
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,960
different categories which is the

841
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,960
statistics Dr. Brown used when he

842
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,160
analyzed Mitchell. So he went into that

843
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,720
and we generated a bunch more

844
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:08,430
information.

845
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,240
Um, I took three the three I think uh

846
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:15,040
biggest categories out of that. There's

847
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,280
about 12 or 13 categories. I didn't

848
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,119
think we'd want to look at all 13 of

849
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,640
them. So, I took the I think the top

850
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,520
three. And the first category was

851
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,680
professional, scientific, and technical

852
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,880
services. That's a a labor category that

853
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,640
labor dollars are being put into in this

854
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,079
county. And that category by itself went

855
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:39,000
up

856
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:45,680
94 employees from 2020 to 2023. In 2024,

857
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,720
data wasn't available or isn't available

858
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:53,839
yet. The wages for that category went up

859
00:39:53,839 --> 00:39:58,160
from 27 million to 51 million. So that's

860
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,800
like 10 times as important as the entire

861
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,200
tourist industry in Mitchell because

862
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,359
those are all labor dollars that get

863
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:07,280
spent. Those people get it in their

864
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,320
paycheck and they go buy things with it.

865
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,160
Now there's a few that save some money

866
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,630
but not a

867
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,040
lot. Average wage in that category went

868
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,240
from 60

869
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:26,230
60,528 to 94,484.

870
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,640
Well, that's exactly what Dr. Brown told

871
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,280
us we should do is recruit those kinds

872
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,040
of people to

873
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,599
Mitchell. And if if we recruited, let's

874
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:39,480
say in the next couple years,

875
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,240
another 100 people, well, that's another

876
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,720
50 million. And it's 50 million every

877
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:46,720
year. It's not a one time. It's 50

878
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:49,760
million every year once they're here.

879
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,440
That's what's going to drive our economy

880
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,880
and make it better. So I took the the

881
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,359
other place I think we've done well in

882
00:40:57,359 --> 00:41:00,000
is construction. If you look at

883
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,079
Mitchell, we've got Muth Construction

884
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:04,880
and Chromemer and many other contractors

885
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,839
in Mitchell. In that category alone,

886
00:41:07,839 --> 00:41:11,000
we've increased 181

887
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,800
employees, a total of $18 million. So

888
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,920
just in the construction side, we're two

889
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,119
or three times what the tourist income

890
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:24,720
was. So if we could go out and get Muth

891
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:27,280
to expand, Crumber to expand or other

892
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,920
companies like that to come in over the

893
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,079
next few years, that's another $20

894
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,760
million to our

895
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,280
economy. The third category was healthc

896
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,400
care. This one has an increase of 32

897
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,000
people, but it has a lot of them. I

898
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,680
mean, it had 19 thou or 1916 people and

899
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,800
went to 1948 people. 32 wages went up 14

900
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,309
million a year in

901
00:41:57,319 --> 00:41:59,520
healthcare. So if you look at those

902
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,359
three places together or three

903
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:04,599
categories together they've added

904
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:08,240
3077 employees which I figured probably

905
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:11,359
is in the neighborhood of 460 people

906
00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:13,359
because they most of them have kids and

907
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:15,760
those aren't counted in the labor side

908
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,920
of it.

909
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,359
We've improved our income, annual wages

910
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:26,030
by $56

911
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,440
million. And the main point here is most

912
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,560
of these new employees are oh in their

913
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,560
20s and 30s and they all have small

914
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,400
kids. That's the most important thing we

915
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,400
can do is make it easier for those

916
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,560
people to recruit people that want to

917
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,880
live in Mitchell and to keep the people

918
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,599
that are here so they want to stay. And

919
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:50,319
that's a quality of life thing. That

920
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:52,079
that's and we've done a pretty good job.

921
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:53,920
I mean, we have great parks. We have a

922
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,079
lot of things like that, but we got to

923
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:58,560
continue that. When you talk to these

924
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,720
people, you know, and you ask them what

925
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:02,240
do they what do they like about

926
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:04,480
Mitchell? What have we done that's best?

927
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,160
Usually the first thing is the bike

928
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,880
paths. I mean, that's the number one

929
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,520
thing they all say. And by the way, I

930
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,359
think every one of you should be talking

931
00:43:13,359 --> 00:43:16,960
to 20 of these young people that are in

932
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,119
this group and figuring out what they

933
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,359
want because when you're spending

934
00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:22,960
dollars, you're spending dollars that

935
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,520
they're going to have to pay back by the

936
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,440
time whatever the big big project is

937
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,880
done. We're probably all going to be

938
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,560
gone. Somebody else is going to be

939
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,520
paying for it. So, we should be doing

940
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,839
things that they want, not not

941
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:43,910
necessarily that I would want to see.

942
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,640
Roger, when you differentiate between uh

943
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,280
tourist and regional spender,

944
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,599
um it would it be unwise to not look at

945
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:55,400
what makes regional spender come to our

946
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,160
community? Because when I look at when I

947
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,720
think about that and you totally agree.

948
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:04,000
No, no question. And I I think we could

949
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,560
go down the the list. Walmart,

950
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,040
Menard's probably doctors and dentists

951
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,040
and those kinds of people that they have

952
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,480
to come here and then they shop. Uh what

953
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:22,190
would be next?

954
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,960
Restaurant. Yeah, some restaurants. Yep.

955
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,400
I mean, I think the thing that I think

956
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,040
draws more more people to this town from

957
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,319
their surrounding communities is their

958
00:44:30,319 --> 00:44:32,800
kids play games here. Baseball,

959
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,119
basketball, football. Their kids come to

960
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:37,680
this town, play those games, spend that

961
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,920
money. We're going to have dinner in

962
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,280
Mitchell. We're going to buy the thing

963
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,359
at Walmart, whatever it is. Most of the

964
00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:45,440
little towns I'm thinking that are here,

965
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,359
like Platt for example, they may come

966
00:44:47,359 --> 00:44:49,599
here once a year to play a game, but

967
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:51,680
they're not they're not playing most of

968
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,160
their games here, you know.

969
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,680
Collectively,

970
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,160
well, collectively we Yeah, I'm not

971
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,280
against that at all. But I just if I

972
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,560
look at it and say, you know, a $100 are

973
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,800
spent here, you know, maybe one or two

974
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,079
or $3 come from that, but the big ones

975
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:12,480
are the big box stores. And I think

976
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,319
Stephanie will probably attest to the

977
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:16,720
fact that like before Heron had their

978
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:19,119
large stores, we had people from Herin

979
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:21,839
coming down. you know, once they got

980
00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:24,640
their stores, it reduced. Correct. But

981
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,560
also, when we did the Buckton study, we

982
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,160
saw the number one sales for sporting

983
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,839
goods came from Aberdine, Watertown,

984
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:36,319
Pier, Rapid City, Sou Falls. A lot of

985
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:38,319
those areas that play regional sports

986
00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:41,119
here or kids tournament kind of stuff.

987
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:43,599
I'm all for kids tournaments. I'm not at

988
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:47,599
all against it, but when uh I look at,

989
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:49,520
you know, if I went out to Menard's or

990
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,319
today or Walmart today and started

991
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:54,400
looking at license plates, I think you'd

992
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,400
find a large quantity of them are from

993
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,200
the south and west of Mitchell just

994
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,040
because those people don't have any

995
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,839
other big town to go to. Where where you

996
00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:06,880
go east, maybe it's from Alec and a

997
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,480
little bit this way. When you get to

998
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,400
Salem, those people might be going more

999
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,960
to Sou Falls than they are to Mitchell.

1000
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,800
But they're all they're all good. And

1001
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,960
I'm I'm not implying that any of these

1002
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,319
dollars are bad. I just want to know why

1003
00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:22,960
why they're here. And I want to have an

1004
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,319
honest view of what tourism is and what

1005
00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:30,960
a regional spender is. And we need to

1006
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,359
make sure when we talk about our super

1007
00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:35,760
good sales tax, we're giving those

1008
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,400
people credit for it. the the towns, the

1009
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:48,670
small towns around

1010
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,760
Mitchell. And the other the second part

1011
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,960
of my presentation here, if you go to

1012
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,750
the next

1013
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:05,589
page, can't get my pages separated here.

1014
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:09,480
This is a this one here. Okay, this is

1015
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,160
another printout that I had Cody do for

1016
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,760
me and it's at the top you can see it's

1017
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,599
professional scientific and so forth.

1018
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:19,440
And then it's got a number of years all

1019
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,280
the way back from 2014 through now. And

1020
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,520
if you look at the bottom you can see

1021
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,560
the average of the total wages in that c

1022
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,680
or the total wages in that category. say

1023
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,440
the in 2023 it's 51 million down at the

1024
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,920
bottom. The next line down is the

1025
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,800
average wage per week. And this uh 1817

1026
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,880
equates to 94,000 a year. I wish I'd

1027
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,040
have done those in per year, but they

1028
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,440
were weekly

1029
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,359
numbers. And the bottom one is also very

1030
00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:55,920
very interesting. It shows the number of

1031
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,560
people in Mitchell in that category. And

1032
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,319
you can look back and see the growth

1033
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:02,880
over the last few years. And the graph

1034
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,280
is the green line is the number of

1035
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,079
employees. The orange line is the

1036
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:11,040
average salary. So you can see the last

1037
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,280
oh six, seven years the salary has went

1038
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,319
up significantly in that category. And

1039
00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:18,079
it's mainly just because technical

1040
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:20,079
people are hard to hire. So they have to

1041
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:21,599
have to pay more to get them to move

1042
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,200
here.

1043
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,160
And the blue is the

1044
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:31,800
uh total wages that are spent in that

1045
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,079
category which I thought this was a good

1046
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:36,480
way to represent a given type of thing.

1047
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,280
You can see the wages total amount of

1048
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,559
wages and number of employees all on one

1049
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:46,119
sheet. Next one is the same thing for

1050
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:48,839
construction and the last one is the

1051
00:48:48,839 --> 00:48:52,599
hospitalization or hospital type

1052
00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:55,720
employees, health care and social

1053
00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:57,839
assistance. And as I say, there's

1054
00:48:57,839 --> 00:49:00,240
probably 10 more of these categories.

1055
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:02,640
These three were the biggest and most

1056
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,680
important for I think us. But uh to me,

1057
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,359
these are the numbers you guys need to

1058
00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:11,040
be looking at all the time and being

1059
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,040
figure out how do we how do we make the

1060
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:17,710
ones that pay really well

1061
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:20,880
grow. I also had a number of studies

1062
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,280
where I compared us to Hurine and

1063
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,119
Brookings and so forth

1064
00:49:26,119 --> 00:49:29,160
that biggest example I guess would be

1065
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,400
Brookings has I think it's 4,000 people

1066
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,880
in manufacturing and that's what drives

1067
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,400
the Brookings economy along with SDSU

1068
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,559
but they have 4,000 goodaying jobs at 3M

1069
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:46,480
I think primarily in in Brookings that

1070
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,480
kind of sets them aside or different

1071
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,760
than any of the other towns that I comp

1072
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,430
compared

1073
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,280
with. The one I I did notice, I think

1074
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,160
the number of people that are in food

1075
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,559
service, what's the title? Food service

1076
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:05,480
and

1077
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,079
hospitality is actually down the last

1078
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:11,520
couple years. Um, and I think we can see

1079
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,599
that by hell, we've got three or four

1080
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:16,400
restaurants that aren't going anymore

1081
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,109
and that's gradually went

1082
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:24,000
down. Anyway, my my whole presentation

1083
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,040
is to convince you that focusing on

1084
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,480
growing highpaying jobs, which Dr. Brown

1085
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,359
showed told us we should do and keeping

1086
00:50:33,359 --> 00:50:36,400
those people in Mitchell that's what is

1087
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:41,710
going to determine the success of our

1088
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:44,440
economy and when you compare the numbers

1089
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,800
like 57 million in just increase in the

1090
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,520
professional thing compared to tourist

1091
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:57,230
income not very

1092
00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:01,040
comparable questions questions. Um, I'd

1093
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,359
prefer if you had questions or things

1094
00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:06,079
you don't agree with. I'd just as if you

1095
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:07,920
if you don't agree with me or you think

1096
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,839
I'm totally off on something, I'd like

1097
00:51:09,839 --> 00:51:12,079
to know that and I'll try to figure out

1098
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:15,359
how I can find the actual facts to do it

1099
00:51:15,359 --> 00:51:18,160
because I I think dealing with facts is

1100
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,960
the real key. Would you be would you be

1101
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,520
okay with us sending out the website

1102
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,920
that you use for the you know where you

1103
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:26,960
type in the different towns and you can

1104
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,079
look at the graphs? It's very

1105
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:30,079
interesting on a on a selective basis. I

1106
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:31,760
don't I don't think I want to try to

1107
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,000
support that for hundreds of people. I

1108
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,359
mean, just with the this group. Oh, this

1109
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:37,440
group. No problem. Yeah, Stephanie's got

1110
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,000
it. She can It's It's on the internet.

1111
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,400
So, it you know, you just need a link to

1112
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,119
go to it. And you can't pick any town,

1113
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:47,200
but we picked a number of towns. Then I

1114
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,119
talked to Stephanie and she said, "Well,

1115
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:50,800
how about these towns?" So, we added

1116
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,319
them. And uh you know what what that

1117
00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:56,640
will allow you to do is also go down and

1118
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,640
look at like eating and drinking

1119
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,119
establishments. How much revenue was

1120
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:03,520
there from that in the summertime?

1121
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,520
Motel, how much was there from that in

1122
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,839
the summertime? And you know, this is

1123
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:09,520
looking at the sum of all of them

1124
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,559
together. Okay. So, one of my questions

1125
00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:16,960
is why does it matter whether they're

1126
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,559
the tourists or the people who are

1127
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:20,559
visiting our community? Why does it

1128
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:24,680
matter whether they're coming 50 miles

1129
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:29,040
or 150 miles or 350 miles? Why? As Dr.

1130
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,640
Brown said, the reason it makes a

1131
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,040
difference is because you recruit them

1132
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,359
totally differently. You know, we don't

1133
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:37,359
advertise the Corn Palace in order to

1134
00:52:37,359 --> 00:52:39,599
get people from Kimble to come do their

1135
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:42,839
shopping in Mitchell,

1136
00:52:42,839 --> 00:52:46,880
right? And you know, we need to know why

1137
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,040
those people are here. and uh the uh

1138
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,640
concept of a of of a suburb bump or you

1139
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,440
know that's what tourists typically come

1140
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,319
in about a four-month period and that's

1141
00:53:00,319 --> 00:53:02,400
what we're looking for is what what is

1142
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,520
what are they giving to our community

1143
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,000
and so and then um one of the other

1144
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,480
things that occurs to me is when you're

1145
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,200
talking about people in the health care

1146
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,040
professions I mean we just recently

1147
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,000
downgraded our hospital um that

1148
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,319
certainly certainly not in my humble

1149
00:53:20,319 --> 00:53:23,680
opinion not ideal for our community. um

1150
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,559
we outsource this I say we I have

1151
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:29,359
nothing to do with it but um the

1152
00:53:29,359 --> 00:53:32,640
hospital system outsources and it's uh

1153
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,960
you know the example I always use is

1154
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,280
that uh Kim Lorenzan was the pathologist

1155
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,160
and he lived here locally for 30ome

1156
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,000
years and when he retired they hired

1157
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,040
they assigned my son who is a

1158
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,000
pathologist in Sou Falls to be the lab

1159
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,720
director and the pathologist in Mitchell

1160
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:55,839
without bringing bringing one to live

1161
00:53:55,839 --> 00:53:57,599
here which we've we'd had for all those

1162
00:53:57,599 --> 00:53:59,920
years. So, and my son would be the first

1163
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:04,400
to say I can't give the quality of

1164
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,839
attention to the hospital that Kim

1165
00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:09,680
Lorenzan did for 35 years because he

1166
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,240
lived in Mitchell. I will do what I can

1167
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:15,920
but I live in Sou Falls. So, so that

1168
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,040
whole scenario that you present to us,

1169
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,319
while compelling, has nothing to do with

1170
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:23,760
the people sitting around this table.

1171
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,000
And it's it's disheartening at best.

1172
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,559
Yeah. We don't have control of

1173
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,720
everything. I'm just saying that we

1174
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:32,559
could recruit. Yeah. It would be nice if

1175
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:34,640
we could recruit more people, but that

1176
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,400
has nothing to do with the people here

1177
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,240
in the in the healthc care industry. I

1178
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:40,559
can distinctly remember talking about

1179
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:43,040
that with Dr. Brown and he pointed out

1180
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,960
that you know we have a lot of people in

1181
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,040
Mitchell that go to a doctor in Mitchell

1182
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,880
and then get referred to a doctor in Sou

1183
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,160
Falls right for a specialty at the same

1184
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,079
time there's people in winter and so

1185
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:57,200
forth that come to Mitchell to as their

1186
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,760
first doctor they still may get referred

1187
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,119
to Sou Falls but if I rem he he had a a

1188
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:05,920
concept of location quotient which was

1189
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,680
kind of the ratio of your how many

1190
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,359
people are going out of town compared to

1191
00:55:09,359 --> 00:55:11,440
how many are coming into town for

1192
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,040
something like that. And healthc care

1193
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,640
was one of those areas that was about a

1194
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,880
break even. We were losing as much to

1195
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,960
Sou Falls as we were gaining from

1196
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,839
winter. And I'd argue I would argue that

1197
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:24,599
that has

1198
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:26,400
disproportionately gone to the point

1199
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,040
that we are referring more Yep. to Sou

1200
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,800
Falls than we're bringing in. I mean, we

1201
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,400
have all the tertiary Yep. primary care

1202
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,079
things here. Well, we have another

1203
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:39,040
orthopedic surgeon or orth orthopedics

1204
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,200
in Mitchell. So that's probably another

1205
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,559
10 or 12 people. So we have some I don't

1206
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:47,119
know if it's up or down. At the time 12

1207
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:50,400
years ago it was slightly positive, not

1208
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,799
not significantly. The ones that are

1209
00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:55,040
really good for a community like

1210
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,079
Mitchell, somebody like Trail King, you

1211
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:00,240
know, they don't sell nothing locally.

1212
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:03,040
It's 100% money that's coming from Oh,

1213
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,319
they sold you one. Okay. Almost nothing

1214
00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:09,599
locally. Be surprised. Well, compared to

1215
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:12,240
their total, it's not significant. If

1216
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,400
you look at like Vantage Point, well,

1217
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,880
they probably work for Mitchell Telecom,

1218
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,359
but they work for 500 other people all

1219
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:23,599
over the US. So, he called those export

1220
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:25,760
industries. They're industries that

1221
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,760
export their product and bring money

1222
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,079
into your town. And then there's other

1223
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:32,400
businesses like a barber that kind of

1224
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,960
circulates the money in town. If you

1225
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,040
want to improve your economy, you

1226
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,680
improve the companies that do exporting

1227
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,680
because that's that's the new money that

1228
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,400
comes to your community. And some

1229
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,720
businesses are doing both like hospitals

1230
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:49,200
or let's say you take pits, they

1231
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,960
probably do, I'm guessing now 80% of

1232
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,440
their business outside of Mitchell and

1233
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,880
20% of it in Mitchell. And what it

1234
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,880
amounted to is he had a way to look at

1235
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,799
the entire state and figure out how many

1236
00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:07,440
total dollars are being spent in that

1237
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,720
one area and were we getting a higher

1238
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:13,160
percentage than we should based on our

1239
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,599
population. So if if it's hard to

1240
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:21,599
explain but it's a process that figures

1241
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:25,319
out how what percentage of a business is

1242
00:57:25,319 --> 00:57:27,880
exporting and

1243
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,119
uh there are other businesses I'll say

1244
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:34,000
vantage point pretty much all of their

1245
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,319
business is labor I mean they don't

1246
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:38,799
really sell any product so it's 100%

1247
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:41,920
labor so whatever they bring into the

1248
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,000
community a high percentage of it goes

1249
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,599
to the employees where if you take uh

1250
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:50,319
Walmart as an example, I would almost

1251
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:53,119
bet if they sell $100 worth of a

1252
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:56,400
product, uh maybe $4 stay in Mitchell to

1253
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,520
pay the employees in Mitchell, you know,

1254
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,559
$60 go to China to pay for the product.

1255
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:03,920
You know, the rest of it goes to

1256
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,160
corporate to pay for their overheads,

1257
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,920
but a small amount stays in your local

1258
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,400
community for labor.

1259
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,960
And there was a category for retail that

1260
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,799
showed the number of people that we had

1261
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:20,000
in retail. And by the way, this is all

1262
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,480
based on the state numbers, which I

1263
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,119
think are far from perfect. You know,

1264
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:28,040
they're the best numbers we have, but

1265
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,119
uh I don't think you can say that is

1266
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:34,319
perfect down to the dollar.

1267
00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:36,079
Yep. Is it okay if I like give a real

1268
00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:38,880
world scenario? So, so I was invited to

1269
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,640
Vantage Point to meet with some of their

1270
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,559
younger my age I guess I don't know if

1271
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:45,520
it's younger but 30 to 40year-old uh

1272
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,359
professionals and ask what they wanted

1273
00:58:47,359 --> 00:58:49,440
to do and I have a a picture of the list

1274
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,079
of the things you know and a lot of the

1275
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:54,240
stuff is one is indoor playground for

1276
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,400
kids another one is an indoor park for

1277
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,240
kids and then another one is an indoor

1278
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,200
sports complex and that was like 50% of

1279
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,359
the stuff they asked for you know so I

1280
00:59:03,359 --> 00:59:07,920
think what Roger's trying to get at is

1281
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,839
That's, you know, if we want to support

1282
00:59:09,839 --> 00:59:11,760
those highpaying jobs, you want to

1283
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,119
support those uh future generations and

1284
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:16,720
then this is what they're asking for. So

1285
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,200
when we make decisions, yeah, you're

1286
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:20,640
asking to take this information into

1287
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,079
consideration heavily, right? Is that

1288
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:23,359
the easiest way to say it? That

1289
00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:25,440
information plus I'm encouraging every

1290
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,079
one of your council members to go out

1291
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:30,000
and talk to those people. Get 10 of them

1292
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,000
together at some business and ask them

1293
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,200
what do they want. I spoke at Leadership

1294
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,319
Mitchell. Mhm. And I will say that one

1295
00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:40,559
of the one of the big discussions that

1296
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:43,520
we had was we need affordable housing.

1297
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,160
Oh, definitely. So that was a like that

1298
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,079
was what they wanted was afford was they

1299
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:49,440
want to be able to buy themselves a

1300
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,119
house. Yeah. They want affordable

1301
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:54,960
housing, economical daycare and good

1302
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,079
jobs. Yep. And and something to do for

1303
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:00,880
their kids, you know, the indoor

1304
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,960
facility to play in the wintertime.

1305
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,640
Summertime, we got a lot of things to

1306
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,839
do. Wintertime is pretty tough if you,

1307
01:00:07,839 --> 01:00:10,960
you know, got a 5-year-old kid. One

1308
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,720
thing I just thought of on the way down

1309
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:16,079
here. And I drove past the rec center

1310
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:18,559
and it it always bothers me when I drive

1311
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:21,119
past somebody like the rec center and

1312
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:23,960
there's nobody in it, even if it's

1313
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,799
open. Maybe we should consider that it's

1314
01:00:26,799 --> 01:00:29,200
free. You don't have any charge to go to

1315
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,920
the rec center and we get, you know,

1316
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,640
five times as many people there doing

1317
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,720
things. The swimming pool, we got a

1318
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,119
great swimming pool. When I look at it,

1319
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:41,200
a high percentage of time there's nobody

1320
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,720
in it. That that's not something I like

1321
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,359
to see. I like to see people using our

1322
01:00:48,359 --> 01:00:51,200
facilities. One, not to discredit what

1323
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:52,640
you're saying, but one interesting thing

1324
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,480
is I feel like what's the number Kevin

1325
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,720
Nelson? How many people are members of

1326
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,040
the rec center? It's like 4,500. Yeah,

1327
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,040
it's great. Which is like Yep. That's a

1328
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,599
big number. So, pretty interesting. Was

1329
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:04,880
that the number right, Kevin? We should

1330
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,720
encourage people that can't afford the

1331
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,319
rec center to I think it's 37 to 38 be

1332
01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:12,880
able anyway because we got a lot of

1333
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,240
people that can't afford it. And if it

1334
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,799
was overcrowded, obviously you you raise

1335
01:01:18,799 --> 01:01:21,839
the rate to lower it. And and I don't

1336
01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:23,839
know the real numbers, but just when by

1337
01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:26,240
driving by it doesn't look like it's

1338
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,160
overcrowded, but did you hear that we do

1339
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:29,920
have grants for people that can't afford

1340
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,040
it? Yeah, but yeah. Do we are we having

1341
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,319
a significant number of those?

1342
01:01:36,319 --> 01:01:38,480
That statistic I have. Yeah, that would

1343
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,480
be interesting to know because are we

1344
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,280
are we uh marketing that, right? Are we

1345
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,240
telling people about it? Mhm. But and I

1346
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,319
say that was just something I noticed

1347
01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:51,119
coming in here. I drove past it and I

1348
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:52,880
thought, well, hell, it'd be great if

1349
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,760
there was 100 kids playing in there

1350
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:58,280
tonight, but didn't look like there

1351
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:02,400
was. Okay. Anything else? We're good.

1352
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,319
Appreciate your time. Thank you.

1353
01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:09,510
Listening.

1354
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,480
Okay.

1355
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:13,920
Action to approve application of

1356
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,760
Bernie's LLC doing business as Barney

1357
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,760
Sports Bar and Grill for special event

1358
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,240
malt beverage in South Dakota Farm Wine

1359
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,640
license located at Cadwell Park for June

1360
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,760
14th, 2025 for the first annual Blernies

1361
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,760
Amateur Baseball Classic. Move to

1362
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,799
approve. Second. Motion by Mrs. Turks,

1363
01:02:30,799 --> 01:02:33,200
second by Mr. Mardle. Further

1364
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:34,960
discussion?

1365
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:36,160
Would anyone in the audience like to

1366
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,119
discuss this?

1367
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:40,880
All those in favor of the motion say I.

1368
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,359
I oppose same sign. Motion carries.

1369
01:02:43,359 --> 01:02:45,760
Action to approve requested partial

1370
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,359
closure of alley joining sixth and

1371
01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:48,799
seventh between Maine and Raleigh

1372
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:51,440
streets. Mr. Shrader. Yep. Mr. Mayor,

1373
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,119
council, a request was brought to

1374
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:54,720
council to partially close the alley

1375
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,960
joining 7th and 6th between Maine and

1376
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,200
Raleigh streets on at the November 4th

1377
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,000
24 council meeting. Council asked staff

1378
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,599
to provide uh closure ideas for future

1379
01:03:04,599 --> 01:03:07,440
consideration. Uh so tonight I am going

1380
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,400
to show you uh two options. Um, option

1381
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:14,640
one, uh, is a closure with,

1382
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,119
um, Stephanie, would you mind pulling up

1383
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:19,440
option one, please? Thank you. Um,

1384
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,000
option one is a closure with strictly

1385
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,359
um, concrete barriers, either um, jersey

1386
01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:27,839
barriers or, uh, we have an example of a

1387
01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:31,119
2T x 4T retaining wall block. um

1388
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:32,640
Mitchell Main Street and beyond would be

1389
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,039
partnered with in either option um to

1390
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:39,359
help us uh decorate um these areas. So

1391
01:03:39,359 --> 01:03:41,520
you can see uh we're still utilizing

1392
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:42,880
both parking lots. So it shouldn't

1393
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,640
inhibit uh either of the parking lots.

1394
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,160
Um access will be able to flow through

1395
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,960
those um obstacles um freely. So say a

1396
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,920
wheelchair or people would be

1397
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,680
nonobstructed. Um option two, the only

1398
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:02,000
change is um showing a swing gate uh

1399
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,280
which could be um unchained if needed to

1400
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,480
get through um quicker. Um in either

1401
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,160
option, the plan would be to leave the

1402
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,520
alley uh open during winter months with

1403
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,480
closures initially being from uh

1404
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,760
Memorial Day to Labor Day. We want to

1405
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,359
think about trying this as a trial run

1406
01:04:21,359 --> 01:04:24,400
to see how it goes. Um we like it, we

1407
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,799
can continue. If not, uh, we would not

1408
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:28,559
do it next year. How's that going to

1409
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:30,240
work, Joe? That's a one-way alley. We

1410
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,799
going to have them go both directions or

1411
01:04:32,799 --> 01:04:34,400
Yeah, the the parking lots would be

1412
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,720
accessed from from either direction or

1413
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,799
through the um accesses that exist uh

1414
01:04:40,799 --> 01:04:50,630
from either uh six or seven.

1415
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,000
I'm going to move to approve option one.

1416
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,599
Second.

1417
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:58,480
Uh, now that there's the motion in a

1418
01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:59,920
second, further discussion. Sorry, just

1419
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:01,839
following the rules. Perfect. Uh, the

1420
01:05:01,839 --> 01:05:03,280
reason I think one is better is because

1421
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,200
we're looking at this potentially as a

1422
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,280
temporary thing that before we put

1423
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:08,960
something into the ground, it makes

1424
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:10,799
sense to make sure we like it. And I

1425
01:05:10,799 --> 01:05:12,079
would always be okay with coming back to

1426
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:13,839
look at option two once we're happy with

1427
01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:15,359
it.

1428
01:05:15,359 --> 01:05:19,520
So, you think the the cement barricades,

1429
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,079
the jersey decorated, whatever are

1430
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:24,720
better than a swing gate are more

1431
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,960
permanent or less permanent. I think you

1432
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,280
could decorate them and remove them if

1433
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:30,640
we're if they decide that they want to

1434
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,160
reopen the alley because it didn't work

1435
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:33,760
or wasn't feasible for what they were

1436
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,520
hoping.

1437
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,920
Are they heavy?

1438
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:38,880
Yeah.

1439
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,000
So, I mean, for me, I just for the sake

1440
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,839
of argument, I feel like the swing gate

1441
01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:46,319
would be a better alternative to start

1442
01:05:46,319 --> 01:05:48,319
with if you want to see I mean, then you

1443
01:05:48,319 --> 01:05:50,480
have easy access to be able to open and

1444
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:51,319
close

1445
01:05:51,319 --> 01:05:55,119
them. If if we find if on year one we

1446
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:56,480
find out that, oh, you know what, this

1447
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,480
is probably not a good idea to have this

1448
01:05:58,480 --> 01:05:59,920
completely blocked off, it would the

1449
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:01,839
swing. So, the cement barricades are not

1450
01:06:01,839 --> 01:06:02,799
going to be permanent. They're just

1451
01:06:02,799 --> 01:06:03,839
going to be dropped there. And if we

1452
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:05,200
need to move them, just grab a forklift

1453
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,119
and scooch them off to the side. And the

1454
01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:09,760
swing gates would require uh four

1455
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,000
ballards to be installed which would be

1456
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,079
permanent that if we decided not to go

1457
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:15,760
forward we we'd have to remove them and

1458
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,480
then patch the concrete. Okay. Well,

1459
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:22,799
that being said then I agree.

1460
01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:24,960
Okay. Further do the uh one other

1461
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,400
comment. Is the police or fire have a

1462
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:29,710
preference?

1463
01:06:29,710 --> 01:06:31,680
[Music]

1464
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,559
Uh, Chief Canip, mayor, city council,

1465
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:37,119
Chief Canipling, I think me and Dan have

1466
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:38,880
both talked about this. As long as we

1467
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,720
would know what side to respond on if

1468
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,359
we'd had approximate location u as far

1469
01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:46,799
as getting in and out there would not be

1470
01:06:46,799 --> 01:06:50,480
an issue for either one of us.

1471
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,440
Yep. Yeah. And I the only other thing to

1472
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,920
add is I had talked to Joe and said, you

1473
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,240
know, just leave us room to get a cut

1474
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,880
through. Um, we don't typically try to

1475
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,520
fight fires from alleys. We, in fact, we

1476
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,359
do everything possible to not do that.

1477
01:07:05,359 --> 01:07:07,760
So, our only concern would be getting a

1478
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,039
cot in there for if we had a patient in

1479
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:14,430
that general

1480
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:18,200
area. Squeaky.

1481
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,160
Okay. Anyone in the audience like to

1482
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,470
discuss

1483
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,839
this? Okay. All those in favor of the

1484
01:07:25,839 --> 01:07:29,520
motion say I. I. Post. Same sign. Motion

1485
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,319
carries. Action to approve agreement A

1486
01:07:31,319 --> 01:07:33,440
2025-33 water modeling continuing

1487
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,720
service with AE2S. Mr. Shrader.

1488
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,119
Yep. Mr. Mayor, Council, AE2s developed

1489
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:40,640
a water model of our water main system

1490
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,880
in 2019. We utilize their services to

1491
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,319
complete additional water modeling when

1492
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:46,319
needed for future projects. They also

1493
01:07:46,319 --> 01:07:48,240
update the water model uh when needed

1494
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,559
after projects. They're assisting with

1495
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:53,039
review of plans for the Randall Regional

1496
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:55,440
Row Water to Mitchell project. Uh so

1497
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,520
with that we do recommend approving the

1498
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,240
attach agreement uh for services not to

1499
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:07,750
exceed 20,000 be hourly as needed.

1500
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,440
I'll move to approve. Motion by Mrs.

1501
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,480
Church to approve. Second. Second by Mr.

1502
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,680
Goldhammer. Any further discussion?

1503
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:16,880
Would anyone in the audience like to

1504
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,600
discuss

1505
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,640
this? All those in favor of the motion

1506
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,759
say I. I. Post same sign. Motion

1507
01:08:23,759 --> 01:08:25,319
carries. Action approve agreement A

1508
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:27,920
2025-34 Hitchcock tennis courts with SPN

1509
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,799
and Associates project number

1510
01:08:29,799 --> 01:08:32,319
2025-34. Mr. Shrader. Yep. Mr. Mayor,

1511
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:34,960
Council, uh the city council approved it

1512
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:36,640
funds during the supplemental budgets

1513
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,440
for a design to replace the older tennis

1514
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:41,520
courts at Hitchcock Park. The project

1515
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,440
will include eight tennis courts, update

1516
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:45,359
lighting and fencing, and reconstruction

1517
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:47,600
of the adjacent parking lot. The tennis

1518
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,040
courts will be designed and bid as

1519
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,600
post-tension construction. The attached

1520
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,359
agreement with SPN will provide design,

1521
01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:55,120
bidding, and full construction phase

1522
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,279
services. At this time, staff is

1523
01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:59,279
recommending authorizing SPN to move

1524
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:01,040
forward with preliminary and final

1525
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,520
design and bidding phases. Staff

1526
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,199
recommends city council approval for the

1527
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:06,960
attached agreement from SPN in the

1528
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,000
amount not to exceed 52,700 for the

1529
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,080
services identified in the agreement.

1530
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,679
And I can answer any questions you may

1531
01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:16,960
have and Kevin Nelson can also as well.

1532
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,640
Motion approve. Motion man, Mr.

1533
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,600
Sabers second. Second by Mrs. Turks. I

1534
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,359
got a quick question. They do the

1535
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:27,040
design. How long does that last for? Is

1536
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,839
that one year, two years, three years?

1537
01:09:29,839 --> 01:09:31,839
So, as long as there isn't any drastic

1538
01:09:31,839 --> 01:09:35,040
changes uh within the park facility, uh

1539
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,159
the design would

1540
01:09:37,159 --> 01:09:39,520
be would be good as long as nothing

1541
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:44,309
changes. Okay.

1542
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:46,080
Okay. Further discussion. And this is

1543
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,120
the post tension meaning that we would

1544
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,920
have that in ground

1545
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:58,669
springs. Okay. And that adds how

1546
01:09:58,679 --> 01:10:02,159
much I want to say in the the pickle

1547
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:06,080
ball courts percentage wise

1548
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:11,590
10%.

1549
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,440
Yeah. So, it's 10 additional 30 25 to

1550
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:18,800
40%. Oh, wow. I thought, Joe, I thought

1551
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,880
it was another $60,000 and it was a

1552
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,280
$600,000 project. Yeah. Well, I'm

1553
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:24,960
talking just weighing the concrete

1554
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,280
versus the I if you give me a few

1555
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,040
seconds going from regular to post

1556
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,000
tension, right? Those were broken out

1557
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,110
separately.

1558
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:36,800
While he's looking that up, I I want to

1559
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,000
make a comment. And I was asked to make

1560
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,320
a comment about if we move forward with

1561
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:44,080
doing this eventually, we have no lights

1562
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,960
on the four newest courts. Correct. So

1563
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,800
if we were to take these out in the

1564
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,199
summer months, it would be very

1565
01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:53,199
detrimental to the tennis association

1566
01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:57,199
because of the adult leagues, the rec

1567
01:10:57,199 --> 01:10:59,120
runs that during the day they have some

1568
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,600
kids that give lessons and whatnot. So

1569
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,560
they felt like they should pursue

1570
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,840
getting lights in first on the other

1571
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,080
four courts. The newest four courts, the

1572
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,159
west side, the west four, the newest

1573
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:14,640
four. So then they would have I don't

1574
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,800
want to say 24-hour day, but there's a

1575
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:17,920
lot of times you go by there at night

1576
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:19,199
and there's people playing with the

1577
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:20,719
lights on. A lot of times the lights get

1578
01:11:20,719 --> 01:11:23,679
left on too long, but they just wanted

1579
01:11:23,679 --> 01:11:25,520
me to make sure that that was possible.

1580
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,840
And I know that you had shared an email

1581
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,960
with the group today, Kevin, and they

1582
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,600
they think like the questions that

1583
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,760
they're asking aren't being answered.

1584
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,920
They're being kind of I don't want to

1585
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:39,840
say avoided, but a nebulous was the word

1586
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,400
they used. Like they never really get a

1587
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:43,920
true answer when they ask something. And

1588
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:45,760
then they want to know like where are

1589
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:49,159
you at with the school

1590
01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:51,920
district as far as what are they willing

1591
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:53,360
to help with this? Because this is a

1592
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:54,719
large project. I mean, and if you looked

1593
01:11:54,719 --> 01:11:57,679
at the engineers estimate, it went from

1594
01:11:57,679 --> 01:12:00,080
750 to two main. We're doing a parking

1595
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:01,440
lot and everything all of a sudden. And

1596
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:04,000
I was like, whoa. So, the first estimate

1597
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,560
was our internal discussion on what we

1598
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,320
thought it would cost to remove and then

1599
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,000
rebuild concrete, thinking we could

1600
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,080
reuse the fencing and not even talking

1601
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,719
about the parking lot and lights. They

1602
01:12:14,719 --> 01:12:16,000
were questionable to start with. There's

1603
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,760
still issues with the lights out there.

1604
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,719
Going back to this actual

1605
01:12:19,719 --> 01:12:21,920
design, Jeff when we were out there with

1606
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,840
him, Jeff McCormack from SPN talked

1607
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,040
about several different things with us

1608
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,280
and we with him. Number one would be

1609
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,120
adding two courts to the end of one

1610
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:30,880
through four going back to the east. So

1611
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,040
making that a six court complex as as

1612
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:35,440
one option, adding four to the north

1613
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:37,440
going over toward the bandell or

1614
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:39,280
rebuilding the the the eight that are

1615
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,360
there understanding the lights. but

1616
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,560
they're going to um show us for for us

1617
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,320
what a bird's eye view, let's say from

1618
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,040
100 ft above what all of those things

1619
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,719
could look like without getting into the

1620
01:12:50,719 --> 01:12:52,560
details of designing each of those for

1621
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,199
us. We will then Joe and I and the mayor

1622
01:12:55,199 --> 01:12:58,040
and Stephanie discuss those taking into

1623
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,640
consideration Mitchell Tennis, Mitchell

1624
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,800
High School and all other users to see

1625
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,239
what's going to be the best solution and

1626
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:05,679
we'll come back with a recommendation on

1627
01:13:05,679 --> 01:13:07,440
what we believe should be the best

1628
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:10,000
route. We haven't decided internally.

1629
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:11,920
Okay. I I I knew you hadn't decided

1630
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,320
internally. Just the number was very

1631
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,199
startling to them and to me too. And I

1632
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:20,480
just I felt like I don't know where uh

1633
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:22,320
Jeff came up with some of these numbers.

1634
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,520
It was just there just to get to the job

1635
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,159
site 210,000 for mobilization. I'm like

1636
01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:31,520
wow. It's just like these it seems like

1637
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,920
when we do a city bid and I've had

1638
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,080
firsthand doing this. I I got an

1639
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,520
estimate from engineer then I went out

1640
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,440
myself and did it. It's amazing how much

1641
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:41,199
you can save because you're not being

1642
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:43,560
involved with the city. I don't think

1643
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,640
we're getting our best foot forward on

1644
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,920
our bids and you know it goes back to

1645
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,159
the light pole bid uh on corner of

1646
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:54,320
seventh here by rejecting rebidding it.

1647
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:56,080
We got a better bid and I think it was

1648
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:57,679
kind of you know we have more biders I

1649
01:13:57,679 --> 01:14:00,080
think too at the time. So, and I know we

1650
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:01,360
had a lot of pickle ball bids. So, I'm

1651
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,400
I'm excited to put it out to bids to see

1652
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,000
if we can afford to do it or if we can

1653
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,080
move forward and what kind of money the

1654
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,560
different groups can bring to the table

1655
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,360
because it's going to be a necessity to

1656
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:14,719
do that because it is an expensive

1657
01:14:14,719 --> 01:14:16,480
project and I think you as council need

1658
01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:17,840
to determine how much you're going to

1659
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,239
request from school and other users to

1660
01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:22,480
make this happen. Is it going to be 50%,

1661
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:23,760
is it going to be a lower percentage

1662
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,840
than that? That's what I need to tell

1663
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,360
them. I had a conversation again with

1664
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,760
the AD at the high school today just to

1665
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,760
say what can you bring forth? He said,

1666
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,120
"Well, it's going to come down to

1667
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,280
business manager and their school board

1668
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:36,960
and and the superintendent what they

1669
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:38,800
believe they can afford." And I talked

1670
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,040
with Stephanie earlier today, too, about

1671
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,840
would this be bonded? Again, up to you.

1672
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,360
Are are we going to just pay for it

1673
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,199
outright and then there still could be a

1674
01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:49,040
payment plan where the school district

1675
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,360
could pay back? Again, I'm not trying

1676
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,360
not to speak on their behalf, but we

1677
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,440
would allow that. I'm I'm assuming you

1678
01:14:55,440 --> 01:14:56,880
would allow that for the school district

1679
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,000
to pay back any cost that that we felt

1680
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,280
they needed to pay toward this

1681
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,040
construction. Yeah. And they're getting

1682
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,040
ready I I believe they do their budget

1683
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:06,560
in June. I don't know that for sure.

1684
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,719
Right. So we'd be looking at a 2627

1685
01:15:08,719 --> 01:15:11,120
budget for them because they're they're

1686
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:14,159
fiscal year 26 is starting in July 1.

1687
01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:17,040
Right. So I guess on on the same topic

1688
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,600
uh there was a tournament this weekend

1689
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:23,199
uh 116 kids and about 300 people

1690
01:15:23,199 --> 01:15:25,120
attended it. So these courts are being

1691
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,679
used. It's not like we only have 50

1692
01:15:27,679 --> 01:15:29,600
people using them and stuff. So it was I

1693
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:30,960
had actually asked them to get a drone

1694
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,640
picture for us and they didn't do it

1695
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,320
just so we could understand that this is

1696
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,960
just one tournament of the boys and I do

1697
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,480
think they do four tournaments and then

1698
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:40,320
the girls do four tournaments. So and

1699
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,480
then the adult league. So but I

1700
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:44,640
understand it's a lot of money. Joe, is

1701
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,080
that the final estimate from the

1702
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,080
engineer or will that be revised as they

1703
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:51,280
do the design? Yeah, it it is their uh

1704
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:52,960
original I mean their first engineers

1705
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,960
estimate typically you want that to be

1706
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:57,719
uh

1707
01:15:57,719 --> 01:16:00,080
25% higher than what you think it's

1708
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,520
going to be just for estimating

1709
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,600
purposes. This project you don't want it

1710
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,600
for dollars right now because the

1711
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,600
project will be bid uh at a minimum the

1712
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,040
fall of this year. So we don't know what

1713
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,199
next year's numbers are going to be. Um,

1714
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:16,960
we obviously want them to come in under

1715
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,880
uh what the estimate is. So that way we

1716
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:20,480
have contingency on the project in case

1717
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:21,920
something comes up that we don't know

1718
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:23,840
about. And it always seems like when you

1719
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:25,199
get into these projects, the original

1720
01:16:25,199 --> 01:16:28,719
estimate um because it is just a high

1721
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:30,320
level on paper, there's always something

1722
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:31,840
you miss or that you should have

1723
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:33,360
included that's not. So you want some

1724
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:34,640
extra dollars in there to take care of

1725
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,440
those items.

1726
01:16:36,440 --> 01:16:39,920
Um so is the estimate high? Yes. And the

1727
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,640
reason is you want it high. Um, back to

1728
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,199
your original question, uh, the

1729
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:53,350
post-tension was roughly 25% more.

1730
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:54,480
Are we going to have them look at post

1731
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:56,320
tension versus non-postension just for

1732
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,000
the sake of argument? Okay, just

1733
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,000
checking. No,

1734
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,600
the direction from council at that

1735
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:05,360
evening was uh post tension. I I will

1736
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,120
just tell you that the the tennis

1737
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,719
association has done a lot of research

1738
01:17:10,719 --> 01:17:13,679
with it and and I've stated a lot of

1739
01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:14,960
this before, so I'm not going to repeat

1740
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:16,880
it, but they are willing their money

1741
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:18,880
that they're willing to put in will only

1742
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:20,080
from what I understand from them. I

1743
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:21,199
don't want I don't like speaking for

1744
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:23,199
Jacob in the group, but they said they

1745
01:17:23,199 --> 01:17:24,960
will only put it in if they do the post

1746
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:26,640
extension because they want this to last

1747
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,000
the rest of their life. They don't want

1748
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,080
to have to mess with it again. And and I

1749
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:31,920
think that you know this will be year 30

1750
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,280
coming up I believe or is it 28 either

1751
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:37,280
28 or 30 it's one of those. So if we get

1752
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,840
another 30 plus I do believe we will get

1753
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,120
more out of the postion we get 40 out of

1754
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:47,229
them. Won't bother

1755
01:17:47,239 --> 01:17:51,600
me. Okay. Anyone else would anyone in

1756
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:57,390
the audience like to discuss

1757
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,199
this? Okay. Okay. So, we have a motion

1758
01:17:59,199 --> 01:18:00,320
to second. All those in favor of the

1759
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:04,239
motion say I. I. Oppos. Same sign.

1760
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:06,159
Motion carries. Action to approve

1761
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:08,640
resolution R2025-31 amending water and

1762
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,880
sewer rates for 2025 by implementing a

1763
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,880
search charge for CW13 CW15 and DW08.

1764
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:21,270
Mine.

1765
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:23,600
Mayor and council. The resolution that

1766
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,760
I'm showing up on the board is amending

1767
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,480
our existing water rates to implement a

1768
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:30,440
search charge for three different

1769
01:18:30,440 --> 01:18:32,280
projects.

1770
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:35,920
CW13, which is our south wastewater

1771
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:40,719
treatment plant improvements. Uh CW 15,

1772
01:18:40,719 --> 01:18:43,280
which is the sewer improvements on Fifth

1773
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,320
Street, and DW8, which is the water

1774
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,480
improvements on Fifth Street. The only

1775
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:51,360
changes to our previous rate resolution

1776
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,840
that was approved is just implementing

1777
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,400
those search charges. The search charges

1778
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,440
are taken out of the existing rates. So

1779
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:01,199
you can see there there's the water one

1780
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:03,199
and the two sewer ones are listed down

1781
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:05,440
here. These search charges are required

1782
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:08,800
as part of the state revolving fund loan

1783
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,800
application that we have with

1784
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,320
DNR, Department of Egg and Natural

1785
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,280
Resources um as a repayment source for

1786
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,600
those debt service payments. If the city

1787
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,440
was not to implement the search charge,

1788
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:23,840
it would go against constitutional debt.

1789
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:25,840
Um so I can answer any questions that

1790
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,080
you have, but otherwise I recommend

1791
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,320
approval of the resolution as shown on

1792
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,280
the agenda.

1793
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,920
Exactly how much is it going up? The

1794
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,000
rates are not going up. We are just

1795
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,840
taking the search charge out of the

1796
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,239
existing rates. So it's the same rates

1797
01:19:42,239 --> 01:19:44,239
that council's approved. It's just we

1798
01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:46,320
segregate part of that revenue and put

1799
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,199
it aside for that debt service payment.

1800
01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:52,320
Move to approve. Second by M. Second by

1801
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:56,320
Mr. Beth. Further discussion.

1802
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:57,520
Would anyone in the audience like to

1803
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:58,840
discuss this?

1804
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:00,640
[Music]

1805
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,159
All those in favor of the motion say I.

1806
01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:05,520
I. I oppose. Same sign. Motion carries.

1807
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,159
Action to approve resolution

1808
01:20:07,159 --> 01:20:09,440
R2025-25, a resolution giving approval

1809
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:11,120
to certain sewer facility improvements,

1810
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:12,960
giving approval to the issuance and sale

1811
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:14,800
of revenue bond to finance directly and

1812
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:16,159
indirectly the improvements to the

1813
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:18,239
facilities, approving the form of a loan

1814
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:19,520
agreement and the revenue bond and

1815
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,120
pledging project revenue and collateral

1816
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,040
to secure payment of the revenue bond

1817
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,120
and creating special funds and accounts

1818
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:26,800
for the administration of the funds for

1819
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,159
operation of the system and retirement

1820
01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:30,480
of the revenue bond and providing for a

1821
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:32,000
segregated special charge or

1822
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,320
searchcharge for a payment of the bonds.

1823
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,960
Miss Owen Mayor Council, first I

1824
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:38,800
apologize for the title that does not

1825
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,120
come from me. That comes from B bond

1826
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,239
counsel. Um this resolution as well as

1827
01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:47,199
the next resolution are both required as

1828
01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:49,760
part of that same process that we just

1829
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:53,400
talked about. Um the first resolution

1830
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,560
2025-25 is

1831
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:58,640
for I'm trying to look the Fifth Avenue

1832
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,679
sewer project. Um, I can answer any

1833
01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:03,760
questions that you have, but again, this

1834
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,320
is just the format of the resolution

1835
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,120
that's required as part of the state

1836
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:11,679
revolving fund loan application. If the

1837
01:21:11,679 --> 01:21:13,760
city were to not pass these two

1838
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,760
resolutions, you'd be paying for them

1839
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:17,800
out of cash reserves. Move to approve.

1840
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,360
Second motion by Mr. Sher, second by Mr.

1841
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,920
Bington. Further discussion?

1842
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,640
Anyone in the audience like to discuss

1843
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:27,760
this? Mayor, I was just going to point

1844
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,920
out real quick that I'm sure people saw

1845
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,400
in in uh the article in the paper about

1846
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,719
Mitchell throwing their hat in the ring

1847
01:21:34,719 --> 01:21:36,640
for the potential prison. Now, we're a

1848
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,760
long long long ways of even discussing

1849
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:41,440
anything about it, but the reason we

1850
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:44,239
were able to put it in is because we

1851
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:46,640
have ample water and have the ability

1852
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,920
for sewer as a result. So, that's just a

1853
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:53,360
a case in point of of the potential of

1854
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,440
what Mitchell has coming forward as a

1855
01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:57,280
result of bringing additional water to

1856
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:00,480
Mitchell um and be able to treat it of

1857
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:02,880
the sewer. So, I'm not saying that I'm

1858
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:04,560
for or against. I'm just saying that's

1859
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,120
an example. So, I nobody wants to pay

1860
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,760
higher water rates, but we're looking at

1861
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:13,440
this as a as a long-term investment.

1862
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:15,520
And we really do like that searchcharge

1863
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,520
debt. um implementing the search charge,

1864
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,840
it doesn't go into our constitutional

1865
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,480
debt category, so it reserves as that to

1866
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:24,400
use for other projects that the city

1867
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:27,910
might have.

1868
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,000
Further

1869
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,040
discussion? Okay. All those in favor of

1870
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:34,320
the motion say I. Post same sign. Motion

1871
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,679
carries. Action approved resolution

1872
01:22:36,679 --> 01:22:38,639
R2025-26, a resolution giving the

1873
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:40,000
approval to certain drinking water

1874
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,440
facility improvements, giving approval

1875
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:43,120
to the issuance and sale of the revenue

1876
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,280
bond to finance directly and indirectly

1877
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:46,880
the improvements to the facilities,

1878
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:48,560
approving the form of the loan agreement

1879
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,960
and the revenue bond, pledging project

1880
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:52,960
revenues and collateral to secure the

1881
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:54,719
payment of the revenue bond and creating

1882
01:22:54,719 --> 01:22:56,320
special funds and accounts for the

1883
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,400
administration of funds for operation of

1884
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,080
the system and retirement of the revenue

1885
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:01,840
bond and providing for a segregated

1886
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,080
special charge or searchcharge for the

1887
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:04,800
bond.

1888
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:06,560
for the payments of the bonds. Mrs.

1889
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:08,880
Elman, same comments as before. This

1890
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,600
resolution is for the loan that is for

1891
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,440
the drinking water improvements on Fifth

1892
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:15,280
Street.

1893
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,719
Move to approve. Second. Motion by Mr.

1894
01:23:18,719 --> 01:23:21,520
Goldhammer. Second, man. Mr. Smith, who

1895
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,199
wrote this? Was it this? Was it the bond

1896
01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:25,679
guy? The bond council writes those. Yes.

1897
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:26,800
All right, sounds good. Further, it's

1898
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:28,400
not me. It's the other lawyer. It's the

1899
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,199
other lawyer.

1900
01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:32,400
Anyone in the audience like to discuss

1901
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,960
this?

1902
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:36,719
All those in favor of the motion say I.

1903
01:23:36,719 --> 01:23:39,840
I. The same sign. Motion carries. Action

1904
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:41,159
to approve resolution

1905
01:23:41,159 --> 01:23:44,560
R2025-32 creating tax increment district

1906
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,040
41 and approving the project plan. Mr.

1907
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:51,520
Johnson. All right. Uh this tax

1908
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,679
increment district would relate to the

1909
01:23:53,679 --> 01:23:56,080
Woods apartment proposed development uh

1910
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,600
being undertaken by Paul Groige LLC.

1911
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,760
Uh staff did meet to review the

1912
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,800
application and project plan. Um and

1913
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:06,600
I'll kind of walk you through some of

1914
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,440
that. Um as you can see in the project

1915
01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:12,480
plan, the proposed development is a 70

1916
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:15,800
apartment unit complex. Um

1917
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,480
includes oh I don't have the numbers in

1918
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:21,159
front of me. I think

1919
01:24:21,159 --> 01:24:23,639
six 12 buildings

1920
01:24:23,639 --> 01:24:26,880
total. Um also one of those would be

1921
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:31,280
gym. um uh possible mixed use space. So

1922
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,120
I think it's six 12plexes or is it 12

1923
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,480
sixlexes? Um one of those two. All I'm

1924
01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:38,719
seeing in front of me right now is 70

1925
01:24:38,719 --> 01:24:43,199
units. So there we go.

1926
01:24:43,199 --> 01:24:45,480
12

1927
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:48,800
buildings. Um staff again reviewed the

1928
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,000
the project plan. Um requirements that

1929
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,320
you'll see is uh the legal description.

1930
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:55,920
One thing that's different with this one

1931
01:24:55,920 --> 01:25:01,360
is we did uh uh loop in Matty Street um

1932
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,360
for the city to be able to potentially

1933
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,679
construct that in the future. Uh we

1934
01:25:05,679 --> 01:25:08,639
added that to the legal description. Um

1935
01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:11,520
we know that there is projected to be

1936
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:15,360
some portion of unused tax increment

1937
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,440
that should be available to support that

1938
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:19,600
project. We don't know how much it's

1939
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:21,679
going to be able to support and we don't

1940
01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:24,679
know how much the city might ultimately

1941
01:25:24,679 --> 01:25:27,840
um you know uh end up constructing off

1942
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,080
of Matty Street, but it should help

1943
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,159
support that project if we want to

1944
01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:34,719
pursue it in the future. Um, the nice

1945
01:25:34,719 --> 01:25:38,000
thing about adding it now, um, getting

1946
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,239
that increment developed, uh, you get

1947
01:25:40,239 --> 01:25:43,440
the the apartments starting to develop,

1948
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:45,520
within the first couple of years, you'll

1949
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,920
start to see what those valuations

1950
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:50,960
actually come in at. Um, you'll be able

1951
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,679
to see how much the TIFF is actually

1952
01:25:53,679 --> 01:25:55,280
going to generate over that amount of

1953
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:58,320
time. and then you've got up to five

1954
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,480
years to decide whether you're going to

1955
01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:03,480
end up uh doing any portion of Matty

1956
01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:06,000
Street. Um so you'll have those more

1957
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,000
accurate numbers to work off of before

1958
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,000
you have to make the decision. So that's

1959
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,159
one unique thing about this project plan

1960
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:13,679
compared to past ones that you've seen

1961
01:26:13,679 --> 01:26:16,800
is it's got that potential component. Um

1962
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:18,560
you'll see in there the developers

1963
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:21,560
projected costs are at that 2.281

1964
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,760
281 U

1965
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:26,600
million.

1966
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,760
Um the developer would p uh would get

1967
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,560
their increment first and then uh the

1968
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,639
any remaining increment that develops

1969
01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:38,080
over that uh would be used towards uh

1970
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,480
the the potential Matty Street project.

1971
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:41,920
If we don't end up doing the Matty

1972
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:43,679
Street project, then the tiff would

1973
01:26:43,679 --> 01:26:46,199
potentially pay off quite

1974
01:26:46,199 --> 01:26:49,470
early.

1975
01:26:49,480 --> 01:26:51,920
Um, other than that, it's very similar

1976
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:54,159
to past TIFFs that we've done. Um, it's

1977
01:26:54,159 --> 01:26:56,800
got the 20-year expiration or when that

1978
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,719
increment is paid out, whichever should

1979
01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:01,040
occur earlier. Um, no interest

1980
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:04,000
associated with the TIF. It is a grant

1981
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:07,199
pass through type TIF um where it does

1982
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:08,480
not count against the city's

1983
01:27:08,480 --> 01:27:10,719
constitutional and statutory debt.

1984
01:27:10,719 --> 01:27:12,000
There's a number of reporting

1985
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:13,520
requirements built in there that the

1986
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,520
developer will need to meet.

1987
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,360
Uh, we did build in some extra language

1988
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:18,920
regarding Matty

1989
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:24,270
Street.

1990
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:28,320
And if you go to to the increment page,

1991
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:31,440
Stephanie, you can see that um recall

1992
01:27:31,440 --> 01:27:35,440
that their request was for the 2.281.

1993
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:37,520
um their their increment projection

1994
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:40,320
which uh typically is a little bit low

1995
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,000
because we don't factor in growth or

1996
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,320
anything like that showed that it should

1997
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,040
generate up to the

1998
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:48,480
2.7. So we knew that there was going to

1999
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:51,920
potentially be $400 5 $500,000 that

2000
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:54,239
could support that Matty Street project.

2001
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:55,679
Hopefully it ends up being more than

2002
01:27:55,679 --> 01:27:58,800
that and we'll know before you decide to

2003
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:00,560
move forward with the Matty Street

2004
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:02,239
construction. And then the other point

2005
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:04,480
is all of the tiffs have to certify

2006
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:06,560
their costs as approved in the project

2007
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:10,159
plan. So if something comes in um less

2008
01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:11,520
than what they estimated that

2009
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,440
construction cost to be, then it would

2010
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:15,120
free up some of those funds to Maddie

2011
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,239
Street as well.

2012
01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:20,880
Other than that, um again, staff worked

2013
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:24,159
through the project plan in uh in the

2014
01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:25,760
review. It does appear to meet all of

2015
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:29,040
the statutory requirements uh for TIFF

2016
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:31,040
approval. Um, it does also seem to

2017
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:34,320
comply with our TIFF handbook. And I

2018
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,400
believe we've got representatives

2019
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,040
available to speak to the TIFF. Um, so

2020
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,360
we can open it up for council questions

2021
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:53,270
or discussion.

2022
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:54,960
Good evening. Don Peterson. I'm the

2023
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:56,320
attorney for the developer, Paul

2024
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:59,600
Gronowige. Paul is uh this is a busy

2025
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:02,159
season for him and so he's uh pouring

2026
01:29:02,159 --> 01:29:03,840
some forms and getting stuff on another

2027
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:05,280
project. So he couldn't be here tonight

2028
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,760
but uh he wishes that he could. I think

2029
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,560
uh Stephanie and and Justin have laid

2030
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:13,320
out what what the plan is.

2031
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,480
Um the the nice thing about this is is

2032
01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:18,719
half of these uh half these apartments

2033
01:29:18,719 --> 01:29:21,120
will be three-bedroom and so they'll be

2034
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,320
more family orientated there. There's a

2035
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:26,560
uh workout facility included in one of

2036
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:29,440
the buildings. Uh room for a coffee shop

2037
01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:31,760
uh in one of the buildings. Uh he has

2038
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:33,760
plans for an outdoor pool potentially

2039
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,000
fire pit kind of a play area for for

2040
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,920
children. One of the things that we've

2041
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:41,360
seen is that affordable housing which uh

2042
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:43,679
Roger was talking about has a and and

2043
01:29:43,679 --> 01:29:46,480
Susan about a shortage in Mitchell. Part

2044
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:48,800
of the thing is is affordable housing is

2045
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,600
expensive to build and a lot of the the

2046
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,679
entry positions in Mitchell. You can't

2047
01:29:53,679 --> 01:29:56,920
afford a $400,000 house. You can't

2048
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,840
$350,000 house. But if you have a nice

2049
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:01,280
apartment that you can move into that

2050
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,120
has three bedrooms, room for your

2051
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:04,960
family, you can work a few years

2052
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:06,960
hopefully and save for the down payment

2053
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,520
and then get into that uh get into that

2054
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:11,679
first house. So I think that answers

2055
01:30:11,679 --> 01:30:14,320
all, you know, it fills all those boxes,

2056
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:16,960
checks them all. So, I'm here to answer

2057
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:20,560
any questions that you may have.

2058
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:22,400
I did kind of skip over the affordable

2059
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:25,360
housing uh aspect of that. So, again,

2060
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,440
this would be um it's got language in

2061
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:28,880
there that it be classified as an

2062
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,199
affordable housing type tiff. Um if it

2063
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:32,800
doesn't receive that classification,

2064
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,040
then the tiff would terminate. Um again,

2065
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:36,880
the reason that we do that is so that it

2066
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:39,120
doesn't get classified as a local tiff

2067
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:41,679
and so that it doesn't impact the the

2068
01:30:41,679 --> 01:30:44,719
tax formula. Right. So, in addition to

2069
01:30:44,719 --> 01:30:46,480
certifying the costs every year, they

2070
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:49,120
also provide um a certification of the

2071
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:51,920
rental rates as well. Interesting. I I

2072
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:53,280
pointed this out to the planning

2073
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:55,920
commission, but uh Paul Gronowig had one

2074
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,000
other affordable housing tiff and it was

2075
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,440
for houses uh first-time home buyers and

2076
01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:04,320
it was out uh north uh out there by the

2077
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,800
lake and it's full. Every last been sold

2078
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:08,639
and I think every last been built upon

2079
01:31:08,639 --> 01:31:10,960
and that's maybe a three-year-old tiff.

2080
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,000
So that's just kind of a

2081
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:17,719
a monument or a action that shows that

2082
01:31:17,719 --> 01:31:20,080
um there's a need for this type of

2083
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:23,040
housing in Mitchell. And if if it can be

2084
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,280
done with a tiff, it just puts more, you

2085
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:30,149
know, it puts people in them. So

2086
01:31:30,159 --> 01:31:32,480
Don, this is not income income based

2087
01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:34,239
though. It is not it is not income

2088
01:31:34,239 --> 01:31:36,639
based. Right. But but the point well

2089
01:31:36,639 --> 01:31:39,600
taken is is families, young families can

2090
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,320
move into Mitchell and start out in this

2091
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,560
type of a of arrangement and hopefully

2092
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,040
eventually get into a house. Yeah. Or

2093
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:48,800
people our age, Jeff could retire and

2094
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:51,159
live out in them, too. So it's not

2095
01:31:51,159 --> 01:31:55,199
income, but there is a set rate there.

2096
01:31:55,199 --> 01:31:58,080
There is a set uh rate, Mike. And it's

2097
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,480
it's the state of South Dakota sets that

2098
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:02,719
and so it's and so it cannot be above

2099
01:32:02,719 --> 01:32:04,719
that and it has to we have the same

2100
01:32:04,719 --> 01:32:06,719
thing on the same development you talked

2101
01:32:06,719 --> 01:32:08,239
about. There's a couple rental houses

2102
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:10,000
out there that have to meet that

2103
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,080
requirement and then Flats on Havens is

2104
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:13,840
also set up that same. So Mike, what's

2105
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:16,040
that program called? It's

2106
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:20,159
the I got it. It's the uh 80% of the

2107
01:32:20,159 --> 01:32:22,239
state South Dakota area median income.

2108
01:32:22,239 --> 01:32:24,400
There you go. It's set by the South

2109
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:25,840
Dakota Housing Development Authority.

2110
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:27,920
So, it's 80% for the state of South

2111
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:29,840
Dakota area median income being utilized

2112
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:31,920
by the state by South Dakota Housing

2113
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:33,520
Development Authority at the time such

2114
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:35,920
rental agreement is entered

2115
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:37,760
and that changes from time to time. It

2116
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:39,520
it Yeah, they do update it on their

2117
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:41,760
website. It's

2118
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:43,679
I can't find it. It's extremely hard to

2119
01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:45,520
find now, Stephanie. I was working with

2120
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:47,199
the Department of Revenue and they

2121
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:48,639
couldn't find it. It used to be really

2122
01:32:48,639 --> 01:32:50,400
easy to pull that up, but it's not quite

2123
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:52,080
as easy anymore. Actually, Pam and I

2124
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:55,500
found the calculator online to find it.

2125
01:32:55,500 --> 01:33:00,629
[Music]

2126
01:33:00,639 --> 01:33:03,560
Yeah, I I I mean Flats on

2127
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:07,520
Havens full, right? It's a capacity. So,

2128
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,040
I mean, obviously, this is something

2129
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:12,560
that is necessary. We need it. We um

2130
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:14,880
there's a demand. So, well, we just, you

2131
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:16,880
know, you just approved not so long ago,

2132
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,040
you you approved one that is income

2133
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:22,400
based uh and and that'll fill up in no

2134
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:24,560
time. And then there was another uh

2135
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,639
similar apartment that was affordable

2136
01:33:26,639 --> 01:33:28,960
but isn't income based uh being built as

2137
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:31,520
well. So they wouldn't build them if I

2138
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:32,719
don't think there was any need for them.

2139
01:33:32,719 --> 01:33:37,110
So second that.

2140
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:38,880
Okay. Further discussions or questions

2141
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:42,790
for

2142
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:44,400
Okay. All right. Anyone in the audience

2143
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:52,070
like to discuss this?

2144
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,159
Uh, good evening evening. Steve Simpson

2145
01:33:54,159 --> 01:33:56,480
here. I have a handout I'd like to

2146
01:33:56,480 --> 01:33:58,800
provide. There's 12 copies. So, there's

2147
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:02,480
a few extra for the administration here.

2148
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:04,080
I want to start out while that's being

2149
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:06,560
passed around saying that I'm totally in

2150
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:10,719
favor of the developer part of the tiff,

2151
01:34:10,719 --> 01:34:11,639
the

2152
01:34:11,639 --> 01:34:16,560
2.282. Uh we've already passed many uh

2153
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:18,800
affordable housing tiffs in Mitchell

2154
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,040
recently and and in order for this

2155
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:23,600
developer to compete with those, he

2156
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:26,000
deserves to have a tiff, too. So I I'm I

2157
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:29,040
support the tiff to the developer. Um my

2158
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,280
concern is with the Maddie Street uh

2159
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:34,400
south of uh Quiet Lane being added into

2160
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:38,400
the uh tax instead of the district. uh

2161
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:42,960
if you read uh the plan the project plan

2162
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,520
it clearly states that these are two

2163
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:46,520
separate

2164
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:51,760
projects. If you go to uh page 10 uh it

2165
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,800
talks about the financing terms uh the

2166
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:58,430
the fourth bullet states

2167
01:34:58,440 --> 01:35:01,199
uh that the developers project with the

2168
01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:04,320
remaining tax payment up to 2.2 for the

2169
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,560
Mandy Street project. So there's 2.282

2170
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:09,120
282 for the developer project and

2171
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:12,480
there's 2020 for the for the Mandy

2172
01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:14,159
Street project. So it states right there

2173
01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:15,800
on page 10 there's two different

2174
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:20,239
projects. Um you go to page 11 and and

2175
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:22,639
it it talks again about the city shall

2176
01:35:22,639 --> 01:35:24,880
pass through all available tax increment

2177
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:28,159
fund revenues not to exceed 2.282

2178
01:35:28,159 --> 01:35:30,080
million in a manner consistent with the

2179
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:33,040
Mandy Street cost. Then the bottom of of

2180
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:35,280
page 11 it talks about the Mandy Street

2181
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:37,000
terms.

2182
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:40,159
Uh at the top of 12 it says if Mandy

2183
01:35:40,159 --> 01:35:42,480
Street is constructed the tiff increment

2184
01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:44,639
will first be applied to developer

2185
01:35:44,639 --> 01:35:47,320
certified cost up to the

2186
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:50,000
2.282. Okay. Once the developer

2187
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:51,920
certified costs are paid all remaining

2188
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:53,719
increment will be paid to the

2189
01:35:53,719 --> 01:35:57,960
city up to the maximum of 4.3.

2190
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:01,440
Um before I go into the handout, what

2191
01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:05,199
does this mean is I want to uh go to

2192
01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:09,520
page 18, it talks about uh the tax levy

2193
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:14,199
of 017 is is what's creating this tax uh

2194
01:36:14,199 --> 01:36:15,719
benefit

2195
01:36:15,719 --> 01:36:18,080
normally. And the way the tiffs have

2196
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:21,120
been working is in this example once it

2197
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:25,199
reaches 2.2082 282 the tiff is done and

2198
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:29,840
then the uh uh various county school

2199
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:32,480
district and city of Mitchell begins to

2200
01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:35,280
have that benefit financial benefit and

2201
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:37,440
if you look at the percentages of the

2202
01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:41,159
tax levy the city of Mitchell is

2203
01:36:41,159 --> 01:36:45,199
25% of the total uh the school

2204
01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:48,239
district's 56% and the county Davidson

2205
01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:50,719
County is 19%.

2206
01:36:50,719 --> 01:36:54,080
So this is where I'll go to the handout.

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01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:55,960
On page one, I

2208
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:58,800
highlighted that these tiffs are used so

2209
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:00,639
that you don't have to use general

2210
01:37:00,639 --> 01:37:04,880
funds. So if we uses the general fund of

2211
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:08,880
the city of Mitchell to uh put in Manny

2212
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:12,800
Street, the city will will be on the

2213
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,000
hook for 100% of that

2214
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:18,000
cost versus if you use the tiff money,

2215
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:19,080
it's only

2216
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:22,480
25%. And so so you're asking people

2217
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:26,560
outside of city limits to help pay for a

2218
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:29,360
city street. And there's a fairness

2219
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,790
question there.

2220
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:34,520
Now, with regard

2221
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:39,119
to requirements by the South Dakota uh

2222
01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:43,440
Department of Revenue, uh go to page two

2223
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:45,199
highlighted under the county and

2224
01:37:45,199 --> 01:37:47,920
municipal approval. It states, quote,

2225
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:50,320
"Local authorities then request the

2226
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:52,880
department of revenue to make a

2227
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:56,000
preliminary classification determination

2228
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,800
prior to the tiff district approval by

2229
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:01,840
the county or municipality. So, has that

2230
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:04,480
has that been done yet?" according to

2231
01:38:04,480 --> 01:38:07,679
the uh tax increment financing handbook

2232
01:38:07,679 --> 01:38:09,040
for the city of Mitchell that was

2233
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:13,440
approved uh January 6, 2020. Uh I I go

2234
01:38:13,440 --> 01:38:15,520
to the back of it and that step is not

2235
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:19,679
included in the steps to uh process a

2236
01:38:19,679 --> 01:38:23,119
tiff at for the city of Mitchell. And

2237
01:38:23,119 --> 01:38:25,360
the reason why this classification is

2238
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:28,280
important, you go to page

2239
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:31,199
three and it has the classification

2240
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:33,199
types. There's four of them. And the one

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01:38:33,199 --> 01:38:36,800
I want to point to is the local type. It

2242
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:38,719
states that unless the tiff district

2243
01:38:38,719 --> 01:38:41,040
meets the definition of an industrial

2244
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,199
economic development or affordable

2245
01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:46,080
housing tiff district, it is a local

2246
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:47,320
tiff

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01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:49,760
district. The projects usually benefit

2248
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:51,840
the local government instead of having a

2249
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:54,880
regional or statewide benefit. And I am

2250
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,600
saying that the Manny Street project is

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01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:00,080
a local tiff and we're mix it in with

2252
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:03,840
this housing affordable housing tiff.

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01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:06,639
And so I'm not sure how the department

2254
01:39:06,639 --> 01:39:08,400
of revenue is going to classify this

2255
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:09,760
thing when we're putting two different

2256
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:13,920
things into the same uh district. Uh and

2257
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:15,679
the reason why this is important is in

2258
01:39:15,679 --> 01:39:19,199
the last column that for a local tiff,

2259
01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:21,440
the county auditor is required to impose

2260
01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:24,159
an additional school levy on all real

2261
01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:26,159
property within any impacted school

2262
01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:29,000
district to hold the districts

2263
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:31,760
harmless. Okay? And really what's going

2264
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:35,360
on here is if this local tiff does not

2265
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:37,280
benefit the state as a whole as the

2266
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:40,000
other three types of tiffs do, the state

2267
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:43,280
is not going to uh provide the school

2268
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:45,239
system with state aid for that

2269
01:39:45,239 --> 01:39:49,159
increment. And so then the local uh

2270
01:39:49,159 --> 01:39:51,440
taxpayers of that school district will

2271
01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:53,600
then have to make up the difference.

2272
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:55,280
That's happened in Brookings. I brought

2273
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:58,080
that forward. They did a couple of those

2274
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:02,719
and uh when the tiffs were complete, the

2275
01:40:02,719 --> 01:40:05,400
county continued to tax the taxpayers

2276
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,080
$470,000. And I talked to a a county

2277
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:10,560
audit uh a person in the county audit

2278
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,639
here in Davidson County. I explained

2279
01:40:12,639 --> 01:40:15,040
this to them and they were concerned

2280
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:16,800
that this would be a very complicated

2281
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,040
process if we have to go through this.

2282
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:21,360
So my recommendation is you push this

2283
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:23,600
back to the planning commission, tell

2284
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,000
them to remove Matty Street south of

2285
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,719
Quiet Lane from the from the tax

2286
01:40:28,719 --> 01:40:31,199
increment district and then then put

2287
01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:33,159
this uh

2288
01:40:33,159 --> 01:40:36,960
2.282 affordable housing tiff forward

2289
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:39,199
back to your table and then improve it

2290
01:40:39,199 --> 01:40:40,679
and get this thing

2291
01:40:40,679 --> 01:40:45,199
going. Thank you for your time.

2292
01:40:45,199 --> 01:40:46,800
Guess one of the experts have uh some

2293
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,040
followup. All right. Well, I I don't

2294
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:51,840
want to speak to Steve's comment as to,

2295
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:53,520
you know, the philosophy of including

2296
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:55,360
Matty Street, but I do want to speak to

2297
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:56,880
a couple of the the points that he

2298
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:59,600
raised. Um, mostly in regards to how the

2299
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:01,520
TIFF would be classified in the process

2300
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:03,280
for that. Um, it's our understanding

2301
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:04,880
that the state no longer gives

2302
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:07,119
preliminary classifications. You

2303
01:41:07,119 --> 01:41:08,560
actually need to go through approve the

2304
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:10,239
TIFF and then supply them with the

2305
01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:12,000
information from it being approved

2306
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:14,880
before they'll give any indication as to

2307
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,840
how they're going to classify it. Um,

2308
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,000
another thing to to touch on here is

2309
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,239
that we've got language in our project

2310
01:41:22,239 --> 01:41:25,600
plan that if it does not get classified

2311
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:27,840
as an affordable housing, it terminates.

2312
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:29,440
So, there's no risk of it being

2313
01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:31,679
classified as a local TIFF because if it

2314
01:41:31,679 --> 01:41:33,760
does get classified as a local TIFF, the

2315
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:36,639
TIFF terminates, it ceased to exist. So,

2316
01:41:36,639 --> 01:41:40,000
if that were to happen, we may need to

2317
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:44,080
reconsider um the TIFF at a future date,

2318
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:45,760
take out whatever component the state

2319
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,560
had an issue with, and then reprocess a

2320
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,920
new TIFF. Um but as far as this one

2321
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:54,159
goes, there's no risk of including it

2322
01:41:54,159 --> 01:41:56,560
and having it classified as a local TIFF

2323
01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:59,040
because if that happens, the TIFF

2324
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:03,189
terminates.

2325
01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:04,400
Can you just come up to the podium for

2326
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:07,590
the folks at home?

2327
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,760
Um, follow up with what Justin said in

2328
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:12,719
the past, uh, we I used to always ask

2329
01:42:12,719 --> 01:42:14,719
for the pre-approval and we'd send in

2330
01:42:14,719 --> 01:42:16,320
the project plan at the same time we'd

2331
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:19,360
send it to the city and we we'd get it

2332
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:22,080
back uh, in four or five days either

2333
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:24,000
saying yes, it works or it doesn't work.

2334
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:25,760
And in this particular case, I sent it

2335
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:29,119
in and they asked for several more uh,

2336
01:42:29,119 --> 01:42:30,880
items and one of those was, "Has the

2337
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:32,159
city approved it yet?" And I said,

2338
01:42:32,159 --> 01:42:33,440
"Well, no, that's we're trying to get

2339
01:42:33,440 --> 01:42:35,280
the pre-approval." and they said they

2340
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:37,679
don't do that anymore. So there there's

2341
01:42:37,679 --> 01:42:40,159
no way to get the pre-approval uh until

2342
01:42:40,159 --> 01:42:41,920
the city council would approve it and

2343
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:43,760
then Stephanie attaches sends in the

2344
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:46,800
plan and attaches some uh items to it

2345
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:48,400
and then that's what gets looked at.

2346
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:50,000
Yeah. And I was just going to say even

2347
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,719
when they were doing preapprovals, it it

2348
01:42:52,719 --> 01:42:54,960
wasn't it wasn't relevant anyways

2349
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:56,560
because when they got once they got the

2350
01:42:56,560 --> 01:42:58,560
plan they could change your mind, right?

2351
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,480
So it's really a duplication that was

2352
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:03,280
wasn't accomplishing much. Right. Stay

2353
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:05,920
here. I have a question on Matty Street.

2354
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:07,280
I've asked you this in private before.

2355
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:09,840
Stephanie, this is the second time Matty

2356
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:11,600
Street has been included in a tiff. Why

2357
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:16,470
did it not get built the first time?

2358
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:19,199
Well, I I guess my answer would be they

2359
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:23,040
had an estimate of 10. Well, Don, you

2360
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:26,400
you did that, Tiffy. Probably. Yeah.

2361
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:28,239
There you go. Well, I'm going to I'm

2362
01:43:28,239 --> 01:43:30,400
going to Stephanie was right. I'm sure I

2363
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:31,600
don't have the project plan in front of

2364
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:33,119
me, but I'm sure there was an estimate

2365
01:43:33,119 --> 01:43:35,760
of what the uh what what the tiff would

2366
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:38,080
generate. Uh and it and it didn't

2367
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:40,719
develop quick enough uh because remember

2368
01:43:40,719 --> 01:43:42,080
all your spending has to be done in the

2369
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,520
first five years and it didn't

2370
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:47,440
generate enough revenue in those first

2371
01:43:47,440 --> 01:43:49,920
five years to uh allow for the building

2372
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:55,520
of Matty Street. Yeah. Um, I will say,

2373
01:43:55,530 --> 01:43:57,000
[Music]

2374
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:59,320
um, you might phrase this better than

2375
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:01,920
me. Um,

2376
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:03,520
yeah,

2377
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:05,600
I guess the the other thing to take into

2378
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:07,520
consideration is that was an old style

2379
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:09,360
tiff before we started moving over to

2380
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:12,080
grant pass through and before we started

2381
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:14,159
started limiting the interest that was

2382
01:44:14,159 --> 01:44:16,239
available to developers. So, it was

2383
01:44:16,239 --> 01:44:18,080
likely a situation where a lot of the

2384
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:20,000
available increment would have been

2385
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:22,639
going into developer interest costs. I

2386
01:44:22,639 --> 01:44:25,280
guess what I'm getting at is I feel like

2387
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:26,480
there's that word again. There's no

2388
01:44:26,480 --> 01:44:29,480
teeth in these deals because right

2389
01:44:29,480 --> 01:44:32,960
because I was not here to vote on that,

2390
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:34,880
but some of you were. You voted on it

2391
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:36,719
with the understanding that that if the

2392
01:44:36,719 --> 01:44:38,320
increment occurred, we were going to

2393
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:40,560
build this street and it didn't happen.

2394
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:42,000
So, I feel like we're really doubling up

2395
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,560
on a tiff here. And I'm for the project.

2396
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:46,239
absolutely for the project. I think that

2397
01:44:46,239 --> 01:44:48,400
it's a needed project. The the street

2398
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:50,159
would be fantastic to put through. I

2399
01:44:50,159 --> 01:44:52,159
just I I'm kind of with Steve. I don't I

2400
01:44:52,159 --> 01:44:54,320
question because of this the second time

2401
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:55,600
it's been in front of us and that's why

2402
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:57,280
I asked you to answer it because I knew

2403
01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:59,040
you would wrote the first one. I will

2404
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:01,040
say uh two things though that come with

2405
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:03,199
that. We do look at the if you look at

2406
01:45:03,199 --> 01:45:06,320
all the added residential um structures

2407
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:09,040
that have been added to east of Foster,

2408
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:10,880
having additional outlet for those

2409
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:12,960
residents to get to Havens without

2410
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:14,800
having to use Foster is going to benefit

2411
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:17,280
that apartment complex. Absolutely. As

2412
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:19,600
to your question or your concerns about

2413
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:22,000
the previous tiffs, I think that's

2414
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:24,080
really what led to the change in the

2415
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:27,040
process is council wanted to see more

2416
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:29,119
accountability, more reporting.

2417
01:45:29,119 --> 01:45:31,040
Everybody has to certify their costs.

2418
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:35,119
Now, they have to provide a list of what

2419
01:45:35,119 --> 01:45:36,719
their rental rates are or what they're

2420
01:45:36,719 --> 01:45:38,639
selling houses for. Actually, Paul's

2421
01:45:38,639 --> 01:45:39,840
been great about that. Stephanie

2422
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:41,040
actually is the one that sends them to

2423
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:44,000
me every year. And we've added on to

2424
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:46,719
that reporting when people are saying as

2425
01:45:46,719 --> 01:45:48,560
part of the TIFF project plan that

2426
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:50,159
they're creating so many jobs, I'm going

2427
01:45:50,159 --> 01:45:52,480
to start asking on job creation as well.

2428
01:45:52,480 --> 01:45:54,719
So, we are having a lot more oversight

2429
01:45:54,719 --> 01:45:58,080
than what we've had in the past. Um I I

2430
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:00,159
think partly because your concerns were

2431
01:46:00,159 --> 01:46:03,600
shared and I'll add too, Mike, that the

2432
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:05,440
nice thing with this one is the city

2433
01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:07,920
holds the cards this time on whether the

2434
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:09,760
the Matty Street construction moves

2435
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:13,280
forward or not. And it's there's really

2436
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:15,840
no risk to us. The de the development is

2437
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:17,360
going to happen within the first couple

2438
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:19,800
of years. We'll know what kind of

2439
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:22,880
increment or what kind of values come in

2440
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:24,719
for those projects once they're

2441
01:46:24,719 --> 01:46:26,080
completed.

2442
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:28,560
Um once those come in, we'll be able to

2443
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:30,639
do a more accurate projection of what

2444
01:46:30,639 --> 01:46:32,639
that tiff will generate over the

2445
01:46:32,639 --> 01:46:36,159
lifespan of it. So you'll know with a

2446
01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:39,679
lot more uh certainty how much is going

2447
01:46:39,679 --> 01:46:43,920
to be able to uh come in to help fund

2448
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:46,239
the Matty Street construction. And then

2449
01:46:46,239 --> 01:46:48,280
the city once it has all that

2450
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:51,119
information can decide exactly how much

2451
01:46:51,119 --> 01:46:53,520
of Mattie Street we want to construct.

2452
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:56,480
And remember, the developer is still at

2453
01:46:56,480 --> 01:46:58,880
risk. The developer, I'll take uh Paul

2454
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:00,159
Gronowick in this case, is going to go

2455
01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:01,440
out and he's going to build five

2456
01:47:01,440 --> 01:47:04,239
buildings by November 1st of this year.

2457
01:47:04,239 --> 01:47:06,560
If those don't fill up, he's still it's

2458
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:08,320
his loan. He went out and got the loan.

2459
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:10,080
He's going to have to service it whether

2460
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:12,239
there's tiff increment available or not.

2461
01:47:12,239 --> 01:47:14,239
So, he's taking a big risk. And if they

2462
01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:16,159
don't fill up, he probably won't build

2463
01:47:16,159 --> 01:47:17,840
the last five because if he can't get

2464
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:19,679
the first five rented, at least right

2465
01:47:19,679 --> 01:47:22,159
away. So, the developers going out there

2466
01:47:22,159 --> 01:47:25,199
taking a risk uh in that and and

2467
01:47:25,199 --> 01:47:27,119
sometimes they work and they work great

2468
01:47:27,119 --> 01:47:29,199
and sometimes they don't. Stephanie and

2469
01:47:29,199 --> 01:47:31,520
Justin are right. Um there weren't

2470
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:33,119
affordable housing tests when that when

2471
01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:34,880
Matty Street was in, so I can't re

2472
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:37,679
remember how how that was created. Um

2473
01:47:37,679 --> 01:47:40,560
but they've tightened down the rules and

2474
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:43,360
and and and the developers have accepted

2475
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:44,719
those and we have to play by those

2476
01:47:44,719 --> 01:47:46,639
rules.

2477
01:47:46,639 --> 01:47:49,440
So, so when if if and when we put Matty

2478
01:47:49,440 --> 01:47:52,320
Street in, will those property owners or

2479
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:54,400
it's just a dirt trail now, will they be

2480
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,639
assessed a portion of that street or

2481
01:47:56,639 --> 01:47:59,239
will the taxpayer or the increment pay

2482
01:47:59,239 --> 01:48:02,320
for all of that? That's something that

2483
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:04,000
you'll have to decide when that time

2484
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,560
comes because right now we don't know

2485
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:08,239
how much is going to come in. We don't

2486
01:48:08,239 --> 01:48:09,600
know how much of the street you'll end

2487
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:12,480
up wanting to do. Um, so it's possible

2488
01:48:12,480 --> 01:48:14,320
that it might pay for a good chunk of

2489
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:16,000
it. it's possible that it's only going

2490
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:19,679
to pay for, you know, half of it. Um, so

2491
01:48:19,679 --> 01:48:21,119
that that's something that the council

2492
01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:22,320
in the future is going to have to

2493
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:25,280
consider and decide. I mean, the way the

2494
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:27,360
way it's set up now, it wouldn't pay for

2495
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:30,320
a lot of it, but we haven't taken in

2496
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:32,560
into account any increase whatsoever in

2497
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:34,560
anybody's property taxes out there,

2498
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:36,800
which is bound to happen. And we big

2499
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:38,560
costs what seem seem to be going down

2500
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:40,320
for us right now. Yeah. So, that that

2501
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:42,639
could help. Um, but there's a reason why

2502
01:48:42,639 --> 01:48:44,480
most tips and Mitchell are paid off in

2503
01:48:44,480 --> 01:48:47,920
15 or 16 years or uh is is because when

2504
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:50,400
we figure them out for the life of them,

2505
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:52,880
we never build in any increase in the in

2506
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:55,920
the in the taxes and they pay off early.

2507
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:58,080
So, and and so hopefully this is one

2508
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:00,320
where it comes just like it's supposed

2509
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:04,239
to. Uh prices go up or the taxes go up

2510
01:49:04,239 --> 01:49:06,560
and there's money available for Matty

2511
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:09,040
Street. So I and we should explain the

2512
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:11,679
reason why um the internal review

2513
01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:13,119
started the conversation with the

2514
01:49:13,119 --> 01:49:15,360
developer is this was one of the

2515
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:19,040
discussion points back in 2014 2015 when

2516
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:21,199
we were redoing the tiff plan because

2517
01:49:21,199 --> 01:49:23,280
there was frustration that we didn't see

2518
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:25,280
this completed. So we thought it was an

2519
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:27,760
opportunity to kind not wrong or right

2520
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:30,800
but to try it again and the developer

2521
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:32,880
had no issue whatsoever. He was happy to

2522
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:42,109
be able to to accommodate

2523
01:49:42,119 --> 01:49:47,480
Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Back to the page

2524
01:49:47,480 --> 01:49:50,800
three. It states that a local tiff is

2525
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:54,440
the default unless it's

2526
01:49:54,440 --> 01:49:57,199
industrial. Is there anything on south

2527
01:49:57,199 --> 01:50:02,000
of uh Quiet Lane on Manny Street that's

2528
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:04,719
uh part of an industrial business? So

2529
01:50:04,719 --> 01:50:06,800
the the fourth category there, Steve,

2530
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:09,040
under affordable housing is housing

2531
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:10,400
development, infrastructure

2532
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:12,400
improvements, housing development, and

2533
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:14,000
workforce housing. That's what we're

2534
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:18,239
applying under. Yes. And and south of

2535
01:50:18,239 --> 01:50:20,320
Quiet Lane on Manny Street, there are

2536
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:22,960
already houses there, right? Are are

2537
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:25,920
they lowincome affordable housing based

2538
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:29,440
on state statute?

2539
01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:31,119
Steve, I I think they look at the

2540
01:50:31,119 --> 01:50:33,600
project as a whole, not specific areas

2541
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:35,360
of it.

2542
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:38,790
Okay?

2543
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:40,920
Because if you're looking at just the

2544
01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:43,600
street, there's no tax increment that's

2545
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:45,760
being generated with any portion of

2546
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:47,600
Mattie Street. The only tax increment

2547
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:49,679
that is being generated is the apartment

2548
01:50:49,679 --> 01:50:51,440
complex. Well, that's because that's the

2549
01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:55,040
boundary is set up for that. And I have

2550
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:58,239
a problem with if if we just did Manny

2551
01:50:58,239 --> 01:51:00,719
Street south of Quiet Lane as a TIFF, it

2552
01:51:00,719 --> 01:51:03,600
would be a local tiff. So we really have

2553
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:05,040
two different projects here. As I

2554
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:07,040
stated, your plan state said it's two

2555
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:09,199
different projects. One project is a

2556
01:51:09,199 --> 01:51:11,119
local tiff type. The other one is an

2557
01:51:11,119 --> 01:51:13,199
affordable housing type. And I'm not

2558
01:51:13,199 --> 01:51:15,360
sure how the South Dakota Department of

2559
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:17,440
Redwood is going to view a project such

2560
01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:19,440
as this. You said at the beginning that

2561
01:51:19,440 --> 01:51:22,560
this was a unique project. Okay. And it

2562
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:24,000
is a unique project. I've never seen

2563
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:25,600
this before and I'm not sure if the

2564
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:27,199
South Dakota Department of Revenue ever

2565
01:51:27,199 --> 01:51:29,119
seen uh something when it has two

2566
01:51:29,119 --> 01:51:30,639
different types of tiffs in the same

2567
01:51:30,639 --> 01:51:34,080
tiff. Well, I think a similar

2568
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:36,560
Well, I all I'll say is that there's no

2569
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:39,679
risk to the city to find out. So, we we

2570
01:51:39,679 --> 01:51:42,400
can approve it as is the developer.

2571
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:43,920
We're going to delay the project by

2572
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:45,599
going through this charades with the

2573
01:51:45,599 --> 01:51:47,520
department of revenue. I don't think

2574
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:49,679
there'd be a significant delay between

2575
01:51:49,679 --> 01:51:51,679
sending it back to project, you know,

2576
01:51:51,679 --> 01:51:53,119
planning commission, revising the

2577
01:51:53,119 --> 01:51:54,800
boundaries, and restarting the process

2578
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:56,159
if we find out that it won't be

2579
01:51:56,159 --> 01:51:57,760
classified correctly. So, for the sake

2580
01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:59,360
of the developer, hope you're right.

2581
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:01,199
Thank you.

2582
01:52:01,199 --> 01:52:03,800
And I think Stephanie made a good point

2583
01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:07,599
is having access to 37, adding the

2584
01:52:07,599 --> 01:52:10,400
people on First Street and then instead

2585
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:12,560
of funneling everybody through First

2586
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:14,960
that you're even for safety issues that

2587
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:17,280
you're able to utilize Matty Street.

2588
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:19,840
That is where I'm thinking is where this

2589
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:24,550
could make a difference.

2590
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:26,320
Okay. Anyone else in the audience like

2591
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:30,830
to discuss this?

2592
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:33,040
Okay. All those in favor of the motion

2593
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:36,719
say I post. Same sign. Jordan, we don't

2594
01:52:36,719 --> 01:52:39,880
have a motion. I thought we did. Yep. I

2595
01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:44,639
think Susan, he second it. We got this.

2596
01:52:44,639 --> 01:52:49,440
Susan first. Susan first. Okay. Okay.

2597
01:52:49,440 --> 01:52:50,960
I keep track now because I forgot. I

2598
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:53,360
used to forget all the time.

2599
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:55,679
Okay. All those opposed? Same sign. Did

2600
01:52:55,679 --> 01:52:57,679
I say that? I can't remember now. What?

2601
01:52:57,679 --> 01:52:59,159
All right. All right. Motion

2602
01:52:59,159 --> 01:53:02,040
carries. Action to approve resolution

2603
01:53:02,040 --> 01:53:04,480
R2025-33 creating tax increment district

2604
01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:06,880
42 and approving the project plan. Mr.

2605
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:10,400
Johnson. All right. So, this would be uh

2606
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:14,159
TIFF 42 in relation to Dale's A1. Um an

2607
01:53:14,159 --> 01:53:17,920
expansion with that business. Um as you

2608
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:21,440
can see in the project plan, their um

2609
01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:24,400
proposal would be to add

2610
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:26,960
um several additions. I won't get into

2611
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:28,960
the footage of them. Um you'll see a

2612
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:30,719
picture of the the proposed construction

2613
01:53:30,719 --> 01:53:33,840
later on in there, but um approximately

2614
01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:36,880
doubling their base space. Um potential

2615
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:39,760
to add up to 10 new employees on top of

2616
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:42,199
I believe their existing

2617
01:53:42,199 --> 01:53:45,520
15 if I'm remembering correctly. Um,

2618
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:48,400
once again, staff did uh review the

2619
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:50,320
project plan, uh, work with the

2620
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:52,880
developer to to revise that and get it

2621
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:54,800
into a state where it does meet all of

2622
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:57,679
the statutory requirements and the the

2623
01:53:57,679 --> 01:54:01,760
TIFF hand Mitchell TIFF handbook

2624
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:04,480
uh requirements. Legal description

2625
01:54:04,480 --> 01:54:06,800
includes the the property itself. Um,

2626
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:09,040
and then there were uh adjacent

2627
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:11,760
rightaways that were included for any of

2628
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:14,320
their aprons, sidewalks, utility

2629
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:16,000
connections that they might need to make

2630
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:26,750
in the in the rightway in those

2631
01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:29,119
locations. Uh, you can see their tiff

2632
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:34,709
request was in the amount of $340,15.

2633
01:54:34,719 --> 01:54:37,520
The TIFF does function as a grant pass

2634
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:39,840
through. Uh very similar terms that we

2635
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:41,840
just discussed as far as the 20-year

2636
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:44,239
timeline or when the increment gets paid

2637
01:54:44,239 --> 01:54:47,040
out, whichever occurs first. We do have

2638
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:49,360
the language in there uh acting as a

2639
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:50,719
grant pass through does not count

2640
01:54:50,719 --> 01:54:52,639
against the city's constitutional and

2641
01:54:52,639 --> 01:54:55,840
statutory debt. Uh we also have the

2642
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:58,400
reporting and certification terms in

2643
01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:03,430
there um as we do with other tiffs.

2644
01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:06,400
Um you can see going down to their

2645
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:08,880
project cost breakdown

2646
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:10,800
uh that their eligible project costs

2647
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:12,239
came in higher than what they were

2648
01:55:12,239 --> 01:55:15,119
requesting. Again that's limited by uh

2649
01:55:15,119 --> 01:55:17,599
what the TIF is projected to generate.

2650
01:55:17,599 --> 01:55:21,199
So um you can also see the total of

2651
01:55:21,199 --> 01:55:24,239
their non-p project costs which are

2652
01:55:24,239 --> 01:55:26,639
about $300,000 higher than what they

2653
01:55:26,639 --> 01:55:29,599
have for eligible. uh total investment

2654
01:55:29,599 --> 01:55:32,760
would be up in that $1.1 million

2655
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:35,520
range. Uh their tiff generation again

2656
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:37,760
shows that that would be uh generating

2657
01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:39,840
over the course of the uh lifespan of

2658
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:43,360
the tiff 340,000 which uh roughly

2659
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:44,639
coincides with the amount of their

2660
01:55:44,639 --> 01:55:50,830
request.

2661
01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:53,719
And I think if you want to give them

2662
01:55:53,719 --> 01:55:55,920
the scroll down to the picture,

2663
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:59,440
Stephanie, give them an idea what the

2664
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:01,199
the improvements are going to look like.

2665
01:56:01,199 --> 01:56:05,920
So, um, other than that, um, I think

2666
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:08,320
covers the basics and we can open it up

2667
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:13,510
to questions or further comments.

2668
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:16,239
uh two of them. So if you I'll maybe

2669
01:56:16,239 --> 01:56:17,840
maybe Don will speak to this, but if you

2670
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:20,800
look at the pictures, uh the the front

2671
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:22,719
portion of the building would be

2672
01:56:22,719 --> 01:56:26,239
existing and then there's a walkway and

2673
01:56:26,239 --> 01:56:28,480
those six additional bays in the rear.

2674
01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:31,440
Um and I think one area to connect those

2675
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:34,880
that would be uh the the expansion that

2676
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:38,000
they're proposing the tiff for.

2677
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:40,560
So two of the long brothers are here, uh

2678
01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:43,440
Darren and Devin. Um, it's a their

2679
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:45,040
second generation. Their father Dale

2680
01:56:45,040 --> 01:56:47,280
started the business and their sons are

2681
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:49,360
now in the business. I wish Roger Music

2682
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:51,760
was still here because these up to 10

2683
01:56:51,760 --> 01:56:55,440
new jobs uh come with full benefits. Uh,

2684
01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:57,280
a good enough pay that I told Darren I

2685
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:58,560
didn't want him telling our associates

2686
01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:00,599
how much he was paying people at

2687
01:57:00,599 --> 01:57:03,679
Dales. But, but I mean that this is

2688
01:57:03,679 --> 01:57:05,520
exactly what I think what Roger was kind

2689
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:07,040
of talking about. These are highpaying

2690
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:09,760
jobs, full benefits, and we can add 10

2691
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:13,199
new ones to the existing 15. Uh, but

2692
01:57:13,199 --> 01:57:15,520
it's it but for the tiff, it it it won't

2693
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:17,280
go forward. So, I don't know if you have

2694
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:20,119
any questions for for Darren or

2695
01:57:20,119 --> 01:57:23,040
Devon. Any questions for the developer?

2696
01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:25,760
I'll move to approve. Motion by Mr.

2697
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:28,520
Hurle, second by Mr.

2698
01:57:28,520 --> 01:57:31,800
Golden. Further questions from the

2699
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:33,599
council. Would anyone in the audience

2700
01:57:33,599 --> 01:57:37,149
like to discuss this?

2701
01:57:37,159 --> 01:57:39,199
Okay. All those in favor of the motion

2702
01:57:39,199 --> 01:57:42,639
say I. I. Oppos. Same sign. Motion

2703
01:57:42,639 --> 01:57:45,400
carries. Action to approve resolution R

2704
01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:48,560
2025-34 vacation of public right of way

2705
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:50,719
16 ft alley in Bayside overlook

2706
01:57:50,719 --> 01:57:53,119
subdivision phase one. Mr. Jennings. Mr.

2707
01:57:53,119 --> 01:57:54,880
Mayor and Council. Um we did put this in

2708
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:56,400
front of planning commission. There's no

2709
01:57:56,400 --> 01:57:58,400
statutory requirement for it. Um they

2710
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:00,560
did recommend approval of the vacation

2711
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:02,280
unanimously.

2712
01:58:02,280 --> 01:58:06,239
Um the all the joining neighbors um to

2713
01:58:06,239 --> 01:58:08,480
this alley had to sign the petition um

2714
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:09,719
all saying that they would like this

2715
01:58:09,719 --> 01:58:13,199
vacated. Um it it serves no purpose for

2716
01:58:13,199 --> 01:58:14,480
the city of Mitchell. We don't have any

2717
01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:16,159
utilities or anything back there at this

2718
01:58:16,159 --> 01:58:19,119
point. Don't anticipate any either. Um

2719
01:58:19,119 --> 01:58:21,199
the road that ab butts to on the west

2720
01:58:21,199 --> 01:58:22,960
side isn't a road anymore because that

2721
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:25,360
was vacated a long time ago as well. Um

2722
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:27,679
each person each abuing land owner would

2723
01:58:27,679 --> 01:58:31,520
get half of the alley um 8 ft

2724
01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:33,440
essentially to each person. I can answer

2725
01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:35,360
any questions that you have for me. Um

2726
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:37,679
there's probably some people from um out

2727
01:58:37,679 --> 01:58:39,040
there that are here as well that they

2728
01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:45,270
can speak to it as well.

2729
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:47,360
Move to approve. Motion by Mr.

2730
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:49,520
Goldhammer.

2731
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:51,159
Second by Mr.

2732
01:58:51,159 --> 01:58:54,080
Smith. Further discussion.

2733
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:56,639
I'm going to abstain.

2734
01:58:56,639 --> 01:58:59,159
I'll abain also.

2735
01:58:59,159 --> 01:59:01,159
Okay. You want to

2736
01:59:01,159 --> 01:59:03,119
say anyone in the audience like to

2737
01:59:03,119 --> 01:59:06,390
discuss this?

2738
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:08,480
No more abstensions.

2739
01:59:08,480 --> 01:59:09,760
Okay. All those in favor of the motion

2740
01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:14,159
say I. I. I. Same sign. Motion carries.

2741
01:59:14,159 --> 01:59:16,719
Action to approve resolution R 2025-35

2742
01:59:16,719 --> 01:59:19,840
plot of as shown on the agenda. Mr.

2743
01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:22,159
Jennigus. Mr. Mayor and Council. uh

2744
01:59:22,159 --> 01:59:23,760
planning commission recommended approval

2745
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:25,679
of this unanimously. Um they're doing

2746
01:59:25,679 --> 01:59:28,560
some estate planning in this area. Um

2747
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:30,480
currently it's under one parcel, so

2748
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:32,320
they're breaking out the farmstead from

2749
01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:35,520
the the land for uh farming, so that way

2750
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:37,280
they can sell the farmstead separately

2751
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:39,679
from the the farm ground if they so need

2752
01:59:39,679 --> 01:59:41,360
to. Um there is an easement on the

2753
01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:44,159
southwest corner of it to get from lot A

2754
01:59:44,159 --> 01:59:45,760
to lot B because there's already an

2755
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:47,760
existing approach right there for them

2756
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:49,920
um for implement. Um this is just

2757
01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:51,920
outside city limits. Um, but it's still

2758
01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:53,840
within the ETJ, so it's still city

2759
01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:56,159
zoning jurisdiction. Um, the county will

2760
01:59:56,159 --> 01:59:57,920
hear it at their planning commission and

2761
01:59:57,920 --> 02:00:00,080
tomorrow and um, county commission the

2762
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:01,599
following Tuesday and answer any

2763
02:00:01,599 --> 02:00:05,910
questions that you have.

2764
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:08,639
Move to approve. Motion by Mrs. Turks.

2765
02:00:08,639 --> 02:00:12,000
Second by Mr. Bathky.

2766
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:14,159
Further discussion.

2767
02:00:14,159 --> 02:00:15,520
Anyone in the audience like to discuss

2768
02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:17,360
this?

2769
02:00:17,360 --> 02:00:18,960
All those in favor of the motion say I.

2770
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:21,599
I. Post. Same sign. Motion carries.

2771
02:00:21,599 --> 02:00:23,440
Action to approve resolution R2025 plot

2772
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:25,040
of lot 2 block six of the woods first

2773
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:26,960
edition. Mr. Jennigus. Mr. Mayor and

2774
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:28,639
Council. Planning Commission recommended

2775
02:00:28,639 --> 02:00:31,920
approval of this unanimously um with the

2776
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:33,280
condition that there's a 10-ft drainage

2777
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:36,719
easement on the south side. Um during

2778
02:00:36,719 --> 02:00:38,080
planning commission, they said that they

2779
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:39,440
were going to put a drainage ement along

2780
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:41,599
the south side. Um actually today when I

2781
02:00:41,599 --> 02:00:43,920
got the plat, I didn't since we already

2782
02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:45,599
have this in the packet, there is a 10ft

2783
02:00:45,599 --> 02:00:46,960
drainage easement along the southside.

2784
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:48,800
They also put a 10-ft drainage ement

2785
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:50,960
easement, excuse me, on the east side.

2786
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:52,800
So, when it gets recorded, those will be

2787
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:55,440
part of um the plat as well. Um it's

2788
02:00:55,440 --> 02:00:57,280
following the master plan out in the

2789
02:00:57,280 --> 02:00:58,400
area. It's going to be for another

2790
02:00:58,400 --> 02:00:59,840
residential dwelling out there. I can

2791
02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:01,920
answer any questions that you have. Move

2792
02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:04,560
to approve. Motion by Mr. Mardle.

2793
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:07,920
Second. Second by Mr. Goldhammer.

2794
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:08,840
Further

2795
02:01:08,840 --> 02:01:10,639
discussion. Would anyone in the audience

2796
02:01:10,639 --> 02:01:11,880
like to discuss

2797
02:01:11,880 --> 02:01:13,920
this? All those in favor of the motion

2798
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:17,040
say I. I. I. Post. Same sign. Motion

2799
02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:19,719
carries. Action to approve resolution

2800
02:01:19,719 --> 02:01:22,480
R2025-37 as shown on the agenda. Mr.

2801
02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:24,320
Jennings, Mr. Mayor, Council, Planning

2802
02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:25,920
Commission recommended approval of this

2803
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:28,719
6 with one extension. Um, this is just

2804
02:01:28,719 --> 02:01:31,360
outside city limits um but is still our

2805
02:01:31,360 --> 02:01:33,360
zoning jurisdiction. County will hear it

2806
02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:35,520
um Tuesday and the following Tuesday. Um

2807
02:01:35,520 --> 02:01:37,599
they're getting ready to plat this for

2808
02:01:37,599 --> 02:01:39,920
um development of the area. Um meets the

2809
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:41,440
zoning requirements right now. I can

2810
02:01:41,440 --> 02:01:44,880
answer any questions that you have.

2811
02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:47,119
Move to approve. Mr. Goldhammer, second

2812
02:01:47,119 --> 02:01:52,000
by Mr. Bathky. Further discussion.

2813
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:53,199
Would anyone in the audience like to

2814
02:01:53,199 --> 02:01:55,360
discuss this?

2815
02:01:55,360 --> 02:01:57,159
All those in favor of the motion say I.

2816
02:01:57,159 --> 02:02:00,920
I. Say sign. Motion

2817
02:02:00,920 --> 02:02:03,560
carries. Action to approve resolution R

2818
02:02:03,560 --> 02:02:08,880
2025-38 property annexation at 30 5213

2819
02:02:08,880 --> 02:02:11,440
FA Road. Mr. Shrader. Yes, Mr. Mayor.

2820
02:02:11,440 --> 02:02:13,840
Councel. Um, the property located at

2821
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:17,119
5213 Fiala Road, owned by Nicholas and

2822
02:02:17,119 --> 02:02:19,599
Hillary Rockwell, signed an annexation

2823
02:02:19,599 --> 02:02:22,560
agreement dated September 18th, 2023.

2824
02:02:22,560 --> 02:02:25,440
And staff is requesting this property uh

2825
02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:28,400
be annexed per the annexation agreement.

2826
02:02:28,400 --> 02:02:29,920
Um, the legal description is in the

2827
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:31,520
staff report and I can answer any

2828
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:33,520
questions you may have. Move to approve

2829
02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:37,159
by Mr. Cardell. Second. Second by Mrs.

2830
02:02:37,159 --> 02:02:39,880
Church. Any further

2831
02:02:39,880 --> 02:02:41,840
discussion? Would anyone in the audience

2832
02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:43,560
like to discuss

2833
02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:45,599
this? All those in favor of the motion

2834
02:02:45,599 --> 02:02:48,599
say I. I. Oppose. Same

2835
02:02:48,599 --> 02:02:51,599
sign. Motion carries. Second reading on

2836
02:02:51,599 --> 02:02:53,239
ordinance O.

2837
02:02:53,239 --> 02:02:55,520
2025-4 providing for staggering of

2838
02:02:55,520 --> 02:02:57,920
mayoral and city council elections. Mr.

2839
02:02:57,920 --> 02:03:00,719
Johnson. All right. So the second

2840
02:03:00,719 --> 02:03:02,960
reading on this uh the same basic

2841
02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:05,040
structure there from the last meeting.

2842
02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:08,639
The big uh big change from uh the last

2843
02:03:08,639 --> 02:03:10,880
time that you saw it would be that we

2844
02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:14,080
did make the change um as council uh

2845
02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:16,080
voted on at the last meeting to move it

2846
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:20,320
to uh two two-year terms for the mayor

2847
02:03:20,320 --> 02:03:22,400
to get that staggered and then keep

2848
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:24,599
everybody on those same three-year terms

2849
02:03:24,599 --> 02:03:26,679
overall. Um

2850
02:03:26,679 --> 02:03:30,000
so the schedule on how you lay you know

2851
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:32,080
all the lay out all those elections is

2852
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:34,639
included within the ordinance there. Um,

2853
02:03:34,639 --> 02:03:36,960
I won't run through them all, but next

2854
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:38,400
time the mayor's up for election, it

2855
02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:40,960
would be a two-year term. Then they

2856
02:03:40,960 --> 02:03:43,199
would be up for election for another

2857
02:03:43,199 --> 02:03:45,599
two-year term. And then after that

2858
02:03:45,599 --> 02:03:47,840
second two-year term, they would revert

2859
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:49,320
back to their three-year

2860
02:03:49,320 --> 02:03:53,040
terms. Then starting in that 2031, I

2861
02:03:53,040 --> 02:03:55,040
believe it is, everyone would be on

2862
02:03:55,040 --> 02:03:57,679
their regular three-year cycle.

2863
02:03:57,679 --> 02:04:00,280
Justin, would this rotation

2864
02:04:00,280 --> 02:04:03,560
cause us to have a one

2865
02:04:03,560 --> 02:04:07,520
item issue on the ballot? One

2866
02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:10,199
uh one being just the

2867
02:04:10,199 --> 02:04:14,880
mayor's election should school.

2868
02:04:14,880 --> 02:04:16,320
Yeah, I can't say what other things

2869
02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:19,440
would be on the ballot. Um only because

2870
02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:22,480
a one item ballot has very little

2871
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:25,280
interest, very draws very few people.

2872
02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:28,239
And I was told by the county auditor

2873
02:04:28,239 --> 02:04:32,000
that it cost 18 grand roughly to run do

2874
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:37,000
an election to have a one ballot

2875
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:40,880
issue just seems like a lot of money. I

2876
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:42,480
think an example would be this year is

2877
02:04:42,480 --> 02:04:44,239
our off year and the school board does

2878
02:04:44,239 --> 02:04:45,080
have an

2879
02:04:45,080 --> 02:04:48,360
election. So you'd be combining with the

2880
02:04:48,360 --> 02:04:50,239
school because don't they usually

2881
02:04:50,239 --> 02:04:51,840
combine with you? Yeah. So you'd be

2882
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:53,760
combining with the school. The school

2883
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:55,360
has an election this year. This is our

2884
02:04:55,360 --> 02:04:57,360
off year. If the mayor was running this

2885
02:04:57,360 --> 02:04:58,719
year, it'd be combined with the school

2886
02:04:58,719 --> 02:05:00,800
board. Okay. So, it wouldn't be a one

2887
02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:02,800
ballot. It'd only be a one ballot if the

2888
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:05,360
school didn't have election.

2889
02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:07,360
And on all even years, you'd have a

2890
02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:12,040
primary, right? Yeah, that's true.

2891
02:05:12,040 --> 02:05:13,920
When's the school board? How long are

2892
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:17,040
their terms?

2893
02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:18,639
I feel like they run every year. So, if

2894
02:05:18,639 --> 02:05:20,400
theirs is three years, then it's going

2895
02:05:20,400 --> 02:05:22,480
to be the same, I guess, right? forever

2896
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:24,719
and and I believe that the election

2897
02:05:24,719 --> 02:05:26,880
every year every year. Oh, so no matter

2898
02:05:26,880 --> 02:05:28,480
what there's an election. Okay, we'll

2899
02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:30,480
just tag along with that. Yeah, but I

2900
02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:31,639
mean if

2901
02:05:31,639 --> 02:05:34,320
the school board is having an election

2902
02:05:34,320 --> 02:05:38,159
this year, they pay for it. You know, uh

2903
02:05:38,159 --> 02:05:40,880
they probably the cost city and school

2904
02:05:40,880 --> 02:05:43,599
board then we share the cost. Yeah.

2905
02:05:43,599 --> 02:05:46,880
Whoever has items on the ballot splits

2906
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:49,360
the cost based on like the last

2907
02:05:49,360 --> 02:05:52,719
election, it was mostly a city election

2908
02:05:52,719 --> 02:05:56,639
last June. So we took the brunt of the

2909
02:05:56,639 --> 02:05:59,280
cost of that election

2910
02:05:59,280 --> 02:06:02,000
and it cost us about 21,000.

2911
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:05,840
How much? 21,000 last year. I guess to

2912
02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:07,920
your to your point, John, it costs more

2913
02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:09,760
to have an election than to not have an

2914
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:11,840
election. If if that's the point that

2915
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:15,510
you're getting.

2916
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:24,159
Okay. Looking for a motion.

2917
02:06:24,159 --> 02:06:27,119
Oh, you're looking for a motion. I am. I

2918
02:06:27,119 --> 02:06:35,910
will move that. Motion by Mrs. Sharks.

2919
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:37,840
Marty. Second on second. Second by Mr.

2920
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:40,639
Bton. Second on second.

2921
02:06:40,639 --> 02:06:42,679
Okay. Any further discussion?

2922
02:06:42,679 --> 02:06:44,719
Would anyone in the audience like to

2923
02:06:44,719 --> 02:06:48,149
discuss this?

2924
02:06:48,159 --> 02:06:49,360
Okay. All those in favor of the motion

2925
02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:52,400
say I. I. Post. Same sign. Move to

2926
02:06:52,400 --> 02:06:55,239
adopt. Second. Motion to adopt. We got a

2927
02:06:55,239 --> 02:06:57,320
second. Further

2928
02:06:57,320 --> 02:06:59,040
discussion. Would anyone in the audience

2929
02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:00,360
like to discuss

2930
02:07:00,360 --> 02:07:04,159
this? Okay. Roll call. Barington. Hi.

2931
02:07:04,159 --> 02:07:08,480
Bathy. Hi. Hi. Smith. Hi. Saber. Hi.

2932
02:07:08,480 --> 02:07:12,880
Gold. Hi. Joel. Hi. Mardo. I motion

2933
02:07:12,880 --> 02:07:14,560
carries. Motion entering executive

2934
02:07:14,560 --> 02:07:16,520
session according to

2935
02:07:16,520 --> 02:07:19,920
SDCL1-25-2 for negotiations. So moved by

2936
02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:22,560
Mr. Goldhammer, second by Mr. Bington.

2937
02:07:22,560 --> 02:07:25,199
All those in favor of the motion say I.

2938
02:07:25,199 --> 02:07:27,280
Say sign. Motion carries. There will be

2939
02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:32,040
no action after executive session.