Name: Regular Meeting
Uploaded: 2026-03-17T00:00:00Z
Duration: 38 min 43 s
Description: We get a little bit of negative, but it's more like, you know, somebody in a home that was secluded and now there's neighbors and they can see their neighbors.

[0:05] We'll call the meeting for the Moab fire department, roll

[0:16] two, present, Jim again, started

[0:20] and 2 A Very Good,

[0:21] tell me, for two minutes.

[0:29] Look at my motion.

[0:31] Make a close.

[0:36] I Bildtges...

[0:43] Rest in peace.

[0:46] Play this.

[0:47] for them.

[0:51] Okay.

[0:54] Citizens to be heard. It's like there's nobody. Okay. Commissioner

[1:01] members disclosure, we decided we're just going to do that when we have some of

[1:05] the vote on. Yeah. I'll just leave it on their standing so we don't forget. Sounds

[1:11] good. Proof of bills and sign checks. Not my promotion. I just had the one

[1:18] and I never saw this one before, Liberty Mountain.

[1:24] Yeah, and that's they sell like climbing ropes

[1:28] and rope stuff and most of those purchases with liberty

[1:32] are being done like those ones are Shay and Lacey

[1:36] and they're paying for them themselves

[1:38] but they're paying out of their meeting pay.

[1:41] So when we paid them their meeting pay,

[1:43] we will deduct that much from them.

[1:45] Yeah.

[1:46] Okay. Proof of bills.

[1:49] Yeah, I'm going to play the bills.

[1:51] I'll second.

[1:52] Aye.

[1:55] Proved.

[1:57] Okay.

[1:58] Chiefs report.

[2:00] All right.

[2:01] Chiefs report March 17, 2026.

[2:03] We're still on about 33 members.

[2:09] We have several bids out on a UTV.

[2:11] We're starting to get them back.

[2:13] they're coming back around $42 to $45,000 stock.

[2:20] We are prepping for an ISO site survey.

[2:24] We are currently at a four

[2:25] and we are hoping to move to a three.

[2:28] I'm not sure that we'll make it.

[2:31] Have you guys gone through an ISO?

[2:32] We're only a three before.

[2:34] No.

[2:35] But that's all our fire hydrants

[2:38] and never think through the valley and all that.

[2:40] Yep, it's water supply, it's communications,

[2:42] It's our preparedness. How many engines we have? Are there 1500 GPM pumps? Do we have reserve engines?

[2:53] Trainings a lot on training. It's one of the reasons we move to the three hour training versus two hour training.

[3:00] The gentleman Brian Larson came down and suggested we do that. So we have more credit.

[3:05] So when do you do your three hours ever? Three days or three?

[3:09] the first, third and fifth Wednesday, if there is a fifth, two things, six, third and

[3:15] ninth.

[3:15] So then that won't just stand at a three, was everything we got or no?

[3:19] No.

[3:20] I think we'll be close.

[3:21] I think we still lack, like, there's some of them that there's hundreds of hours of

[3:26] officer training.

[3:27] And is that what we're lacking to give to three?

[3:31] Because I know it's a big time with insurance out there for a huge thing.

[3:34] that's not all that we're lacking. We score fairly high as the fire department where we've got

[3:40] Dean before is the communications center which is dispatch and you know there's is from a time of

[3:48] 9-1-1 caller to the time they dispatch us. Do they have two dispatchers on at a time? How does

[3:55] their CAD system work? Do they have reverse 9-1-1 stuff like that? So I think the water department

[4:03] The big thing on them was not doing flow tests and documenting the GPM, but they started

[4:10] both the city and Spanish Valley have both started painting and doing more of that

[4:17] testing, but I think we'll be close.

[4:20] So is this going to be, this is sort of separated from, you know, the city and, or is this our

[4:27] whole district, our whole district?

[4:29] Yeah, so what they what it used to be and that's why when we're going through annexation

[4:33] off so worried about it but what Brian told me is that they have it used to be we were

[4:38] like a four slash nine or you could be a four slash eight or whatever it is and the eight

[4:43] was basically out of like the further areas. So what they've done now is if you're within

[4:49] five miles of a fire station and a thousand feet of a hydrant you're the four. If you're outside

[4:55] of that, you're the X. And that's everywhere. It doesn't matter if you're a

[4:59] classical and solid city to a Casaballi, which I think said at 9 or something

[5:04] like that. Don't call me on that. But the X is basically then the insurance

[5:09] company can look at it and go, oh, they're 1100 feet from a fire hire. So we'll just

[5:14] give them the four or they could say they have the authority to decide what they

[5:20] want to build somebody. So my question like during annexation was Thomson.

[5:24] and he said they'll just be in the X.

[5:27] So anywhere, basically, within a fire station,

[5:31] he might, this is gonna be the first time

[5:33] we've gone through it with Thompson being on our district.

[5:38] But there is, there are fired hirons

[5:40] and they have a fire station where we'll get dinged

[5:43] as like staffing and stuff like that.

[5:45] So, but our staffing is gonna help us increase points

[5:53] our newer vehicles are going to help us get some points and then just the

[6:00] changes of training is going to help us. So I think I'm hoping it will be fairly

[6:04] close. We can also request them to come down. They do a survey every three years,

[6:10] three to four years, but you can request them. So if we were to go through one this

[6:14] year and he's like, hey, you're barely, you just missed it. We could fix all those

[6:19] problems in a year, and asking to come back down. And I'm hoping that if we don't make

[6:25] it right now, we remedy the problems and get to a three, because it is a significant

[6:32] problem.

[6:33] So they call it 4x or 4x, yeah. So then if it went down to 3, it'd be 3x.

[6:42] Well, that's a big deal as a community letting them know that they can go out and tell our

[6:47] your answer to say, we're ratings down in the rupture rates.

[6:50] Yeah, I tried that, Charlie, a little bit.

[6:53] We first started the annexation conversation, but I got some pretty hard pushback from a

[6:59] couple of commissioners.

[7:00] There are no longer commissioners, but one of the gentlemen that live in Casville, he was

[7:06] a commissioner at the time, he said, I've called my insurance company and they don't know

[7:10] what you're talking about, so you can argue with him.

[7:13] I think, again, if we were, I think when we did the sales tax, we might have missed some

[7:18] of that.

[7:18] Like, hey, we're trying to increase our ISO, which will turn around, save you some money.

[7:24] Because we're getting better and better, so there might as well be a reason.

[7:27] And that's why I told the guys, they said, well, why, other than the fiscal, having people

[7:33] save money on their insurance, I said, it's a great on how we're doing is how I look at

[7:38] it.

[7:39] Are you failing?

[7:40] Do you have a deed?

[7:40] Do you have a seed?

[7:41] do you have an A? To me, man, if we can get to a three, it means we're doing really, really

[7:47] good things down here. Well, the insurance rates anyway, so they'll, I know they'll look

[7:52] at it. And that's why they do it is they say, do you have a fire department that can deal

[7:57] with these situations and how good, how fast are they? Do they have the equipment to do

[8:02] it? Do they have the water supply to do it? And the communications for a dispatcher to dispatch

[8:07] Well, 10 over a year ago, they didn't want to insert my house, but to be off-course.

[8:12] Tell me how I was in the fire danger.

[8:14] I said, tell me how I am when the fire department's a mile down the room.

[8:17] Yeah.

[8:18] Tell me how I am right here.

[8:20] Yeah.

[8:21] Well, they were having difficulty renaissance, they were having difficulty getting property

[8:26] insured that were a long, ill-impact creeks because of wild land fire.

[8:33] Yeah.

[8:33] Mine was up for renewals.

[8:34] I ended up in the wild.

[8:35] Yeah.

[8:35] But it was our CWDG grant will help us gain some points because there is a section there about what you're doing for fuel reduction in your community.

[8:45] So it should be good.

[8:48] Yeah, I hope we'll see.

[8:50] Yeah.

[8:50] Anyway.

[8:51] Yeah.

[8:53] Captain Walker and Cody Thurlow went to Texas on resource order.

[8:57] We just received another one to Nebraska.

[8:59] We had to decline it, that we had to decline that one due to a Pat schedule.

[9:07] The reason for that is we have Team Rubicon here this weekend.

[9:11] This week, Team Rubicon is here, and they will be working on a city spring project for

[9:15] the next week.

[9:18] Please let me know if you're interested in going and doing a site visit.

[9:21] There's a pretty big deal.

[9:23] I think it's one of those that the community doesn't understand what's going on right now.

[9:27] There's 30 plus team Rubicon folks here right now and there's going to be some more coming in. We're heavily involved in it

[9:35] That's why he's got the ear pro on most of our folks are down there right now

[9:40] But it's part of that

[9:43] CWDG and also just team Rubicon coming down and helping us out with fuel mitigation

[9:47] So this is all by the first days in the country, you know, take all the amount

[9:56] I think, man, if you have time, there's some scheduled, I actually printed it off, I didn't

[10:01] bring it in here.

[10:03] But there's some scheduled times in the next three days.

[10:05] But if you guys are interested in coming down and seeing what's going on, I go through

[10:11] there every once in a while.

[10:12] I'm amazed at the work that we're going in there.

[10:14] We're getting some very positive feedback every once in a while.

[10:17] We get a little bit of negative, but it's more like, you know, somebody in a home that was secluded and now there's neighbors and they can see their neighbors.

[10:25] I heard their trucks are parked as the only fireflies in this valley was right through their years ago.

[10:30] Yeah, I remember that.

[10:32] Trying to go through there.

[10:33] You go through there and that's only a place you find them.

[10:35] Yeah.

[10:36] Since it's dark, that's where you go.

[10:38] Nice.

[10:39] And then they're probably still there.

[10:41] Well, they've done a lot.

[10:42] I'd be interested to see the firefly one because one of my big concerns was the wildlife,

[10:47] the birds, because they kind of use it as a refuge and the experts that I talk to,

[10:52] they're keeping a close eye on it and they said it'll actually draw more animals in it.

[10:56] The birds in it, let's just like to brush their ground on them and they'll draw it more in it.

[11:01] Anyway, I'm pretty proud of the project what we're doing. I'm proud that we can,

[11:06] you might not see it through the newspaper and the outreach, but one of the fire department

[11:10] is a huge, huge portion of what's going on with this fuel mitigation with Team

[11:15] Rubicon. Clark is the instant commander of this right now. So yeah we asked

[11:22] some other folks to help us with logistics. They failed to do that. So Brandon had

[11:26] to go get food all day. He was trying to gather up restaurants that would donate

[11:31] some food because if if we don't provide it for them, they it comes out of their

[11:38] on pocket and I looked and there was a place from California and Louisiana and Colorado.

[11:42] I mean team Rubikon, if you don't want me to provide.

[11:45] Yeah.

[11:46] I kind of blew my mind when I heard that this morning.

[11:48] So well, there's as much as we can care and to support them.

[11:51] It's a little bit late notice, but we have some ideas.

[11:54] But yeah, Brandon sent a good job today of getting people to donate.

[11:58] That might be something for next time they come.

[12:01] Maybe get a head start on looking at it.

[12:05] We got it. We got a head start. The person that we asked to do it just dropped the ball on it.

[12:09] And I think Kathy's like it looks like we're gonna have to do this next year. I'm sure we will,

[12:14] but we'll make sure logistically that they're I didn't know that. I didn't know that they're on

[12:19] their own for us. That's that's the pride. I'd be I said shoot will borrow Archie's grill and all

[12:25] of us and burgers and we'll cook hamburgers for them. It would look good. Yeah.

[12:30] Anyway, yeah, Brian has gone and taken care of it. Sounds like they're they're taking care of for the

[12:34] week. But again, if you're interested, you really have to walk through there to appreciate

[12:40] the work that you're doing. So where do you start? Start there on same one? Start a project

[12:45] or like the site visit. The email says the back five on the the disc is the golf. Oh,

[12:54] that's course. I don't either. She's off to the south. The road record first is. Yeah, if

[13:02] interested, give me a call and we'll go walk through there. It really meant, I walk through there and I'm

[13:07] I'm proud of the work we're doing in there for sure. So the deputy chief interviews are going

[13:12] great. We will be going into around two of the interviews. We have three very strong candidates.

[13:18] We'll be doing that final interview next Tuesday. If yeah, we decided it's the final. Yeah.

[13:25] Hopefully it's the final. I was going to say we had eight, we interviewed eight applicants last

[13:30] Yeah, and then last meeting we told you about Sean Gray coming into town to teach. I believe this was a huge success was a great turnout from our folks, bringing in that caliber of training to our front door was a very cost effective way to reach majority of our department.

[13:47] I don't really want to, you guys have seen the bills.

[13:50] I was actually surprised when we gave him the check and how small that check was, compared

[13:59] to like if we sent five or six people to winter fire school, it was actually cheaper to

[14:04] bring that gentleman in and it was tough notch training.

[14:09] It was awesome.

[14:10] Yeah, I like that.

[14:10] I ever seen a one of them.

[14:12] So we had some people come in from Lissau, that people from Spanish work in Springville

[14:18] also come down.

[14:27] That's all I got for it.

[14:32] Okay, ongoing business, Samblan County annexation.

[14:38] I sent an email to Mac recently to try to spark that conversation back up.

[14:44] I haven't heard back from him, but it usually takes him a little while to get back.

[14:48] So I'll let you guys know in that meeting or anybody interested in sitting in on those meetings with us

[14:57] We'll let you guys know and maybe if there's

[15:00] From the point where I feel like you guys should be in the room, I'll let you know. Okay. Okay.

[15:07] Rimsteam status quo. We're just, we're trying to get quotes, trying to get the best deal we can. We've talked to a few different agencies about our not agencies, outfitters, companies, donating. It's kind of fallen on deaf ears. So it looks like the best thing we can do is go off of government contract.

[15:29] get stuff so it's gonna be a slow process but I don't I want to make sure that we

[15:34] get the best deals so we can get there's some pricey equipment there and we're

[15:38] still looking at grants any grants for that I haven't found any I haven't found

[15:44] any at all okay well how about dispatch fees so again it's I've talked we've talked

[15:55] about this before the sheriff had a meeting with Andy and I. He said basically the county is

[16:02] pressuring him to get all the agencies to pay their dispatch fees or portion of it.

[16:10] As you guys well know I have a few issues with the way it's set up and all these different agencies

[16:18] is paying into the pot, but I think that it's probably come into the point where we're

[16:26] going to need to pay something.

[16:28] The city agreed to pay for the highest, paid dispatcher in their MOU, and then Andy

[16:35] and I discussed maybe this year we pay half of what they need just because nobody budgeted

[16:40] for it, so that would be $7,500 for us, I can't remember exactly what Andy was,

[16:49] one of

[16:50] The sheriff has talked to the county administration and they said that it's going to go into the general fund.

[16:56] I think it should go directly into to dispatch, if we're paying for a dispatch fee.

[17:03] It should go to the open up.

[17:04] Yeah.

[17:05] But isn't that what the issue is?

[17:09] They just don't have enough money for dispatch.

[17:14] Yeah, but I don't see why they couldn't earmark the money that were getting ready to give them to that.

[17:19] instead of the general fund. But yeah, they don't have enough money for anything.

[17:25] Do they have to dispatchers on who they have on? What do they have? They're working on, he's moved

[17:31] them to 12 hour shifts, so he's trying to get two dispatchers in there at all time, but that's not

[17:39] a sustainable schedule for the amount of people he has. And again, I agree with making sure dispatch

[17:46] dispatch has funding because if they don't have to, if they don't meet those

[17:51] qualifications to dispatchers and a few other things, they won't be what's called

[17:55] a peace app anymore. And they'll lose that nine-win run funding and it could get

[17:59] pulled out to a peace app. So I'm willing to help the county with whatever they

[18:03] need. It's, again, I think we have some deep rooted, you know, through the annexation

[18:09] process. We talked about, hey, you know, wave our dispatch fees. Hey, help us with

[18:15] Thompson and now we're starting to, you know, asking Cody to go out there and take care

[18:21] of the driveway. We're starting to have to pay for that kind of stuff and dispatch fees.

[18:25] And I just can't comprehend agencies paying other agencies. It's a weird thing for me because

[18:32] it's all taxpayer money. I think there's better ways to fund dispatch either through like a

[18:38] pass through taxing district or again, I don't understand all of it but I don't see why the county

[18:44] who dispatches to the entire county doesn't do at some type of tax raise. I'm not in their shoes to

[18:52] understand it fully, but I look at where I live and I'm like I'll pay a fire department tax,

[18:57] a city tax, the EMS is going to get billed and the county tax so you know one of the things during

[19:04] annexation was they kept bringing up a double taxation and now I'm like well all these entities are

[19:12] paying into dispatch services. I don't fully comprehend why we need to. I've talked to other

[19:17] people and they said they pay into their dispatch, but they're usually cities paying in, you know,

[19:23] agency with multiple cities paying into a county dispatch. So if it goes over again or funder,

[19:29] not open dispatch. I would hope they would, but again, that's why I say like in the MOU, it should say

[19:35] this money is allocated for communications so well they didn't they didn't want to do the sales

[19:43] tax for the emergency building either yeah yeah so we have enough money to to if you guys choose to

[19:54] pay the $7,500 it's a bandaid in my opinion to to get them through the year but again I think they're

[20:03] hiring freeze, so does this mean that he's going to hire more dispatchers? Is it another

[20:07] money? What's that? That's the end of the day we're going to have to play something.

[20:13] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because if they can't fund dispatch, the county has no choice but to

[20:21] hand the keys over to like price and our costs will go through the roof then, so.

[20:28] Well, I know the more recent for whatever we paid it, be allocated to dispatch.

[20:33] Yeah.

[20:33] So.

[20:34] That would make it easier on everybody if they did that would be so tough on them.

[20:40] Yeah.

[20:41] So I don't think, I don't think we need to vote on this, but I mean, if you guys have

[20:45] any opinions, which direction to go, I think we should support the Sheriff's Office and

[20:51] dispatch.

[20:52] But it'd be nice to know how they're being funded now and how much the county is actually

[21:01] putting into this badge and then what their budget is and what they need.

[21:06] Yeah, if the county was in our shoes and we're like, hey, we need a new fire engine, but

[21:11] we're just going to put it into our general fund where they ride us a blank check.

[21:15] Right, good point.

[21:20] We'll continue and I'll keep you guys up to date on that conversation.

[21:23] I think we're kind of agreed and James has come in there and said I don't know what you guys want me to do

[21:30] I'm getting pressure from the county administration saying these guys need to pay their fair share

[21:34] And you guys are saying you don't want to pay your fair share. So he's like I

[21:40] Invited them to this meeting and he didn't respond to me. So it would be nice to know what they what they put into this

[21:50] I'll look at their budget that they approved and see if they line item it or not.

[21:56] Yeah, I'm sure that it might not be in the counties, but I'm sure the sheriff's budget will have a line item for this.

[22:03] Yeah, which is all part of the county budget.

[22:06] So I'll look and see if they actually separated out.

[22:09] So you would think they would.

[22:11] Yeah.

[22:12] Yeah. Okay, number four. Impact fees. Okay. I followed up with a few questions to Cody that I just wanted

[22:20] clarifications of and I wanted to share this with you. I asked him that in the event we choose to increase or decrease our

[22:29] impact fees because we did not set them at the ceiling.

[22:34] Can we do it with a simple vote of commissioners and no public hearing is required.

[22:37] And he said, yes, we've already held the public hearing.

[22:40] I just wanted to make sure he goes, yeah, you guys can vote on that anytime to change that.

[22:45] I asked if we needed to await the 90-day wait period before they're implemented,

[22:51] before we can contract to buy a piece of equipment that we're going to use impact fees for.

[22:56] And he said, and he said, no, we can do that at any time.

[22:59] We don't have to wait for the 90 days.

[23:01] So, if we wanted to contract for a rescue truck or a ladder truck,

[23:06] we could do that at any time now.

[23:08] And then the other question that after I sort of processed

[23:12] everything, you know how we set the residential at 1,200.

[23:17] And then the commercial is based on the residential plus the

[23:20] additional.

[23:21] So the commercial is 1,704.

[23:26] I said, although the commercial impact fee has the

[23:30] residential impact fee as its base, I said I assume the full

[23:35] The whole commercial impact fee is used for those items which is equipment and he said no, you need to split it with the commercial impact fee, 1200 of it can only go towards the items that are for residential, which is stations and we can only use the $504 specifically for commercial, which is the equipment.

[24:03] Does that make sense?

[24:05] So it gets confusing.

[24:07] Yeah.

[24:07] So they're basically saying they want more buildings.

[24:12] Right.

[24:12] And so what it is is that because the commercial impact fee starts with the residential base,

[24:19] that base can only go for things that residential impact fees can go for, which is buildings.

[24:26] And the additional on top of that, the $504 is all that we can use for equipment engines.

[24:35] It seems like you're going to be really top heavy with buildings.

[24:39] Yeah.

[24:40] And short on equipment.

[24:42] Yeah.

[24:42] What's their definition of equipment?

[24:45] Well, yeah.

[24:46] Equipment is the engines.

[24:48] It's the two type ones or type one threes.

[24:53] it's the rescue truck and it's the ladder truck.

[24:57] It wouldn't take a commercial to go to equipment.

[25:00] Not the way it runs.

[25:02] But because the commercial starts with the residential fee

[25:06] and then it's built on top, the part.

[25:08] So maybe we've got a residential too low.

[25:12] No, if we...

[25:13] It's still only going to be that high.

[25:15] It's still only going to be $504 on top of whatever

[25:18] we said, the residential.

[25:20] Yeah.

[25:20] But if we ask her a quick,

[25:24] that just means we budget for equipment and not infrastructure.

[25:33] We're going to be real heavy with infrastructure funds though.

[25:37] I mean, you're going to have like twice as much

[25:40] to a little more than that infrastructure.

[25:44] Yeah, we wouldn't have this whole building right here.

[25:46] That's, I mean, twice as much isn't a bad thing for infrastructure.

[25:50] Yeah, I mean, because you look at the cost of the building.

[25:53] Right.

[25:53] Compared to it.

[25:54] I need to talk about maintenance on the building, it's just a new building.

[26:00] Just a new...

[26:01] Yes.

[26:03] Yeah.

[26:04] Yeah, there are cities.

[26:05] Or the land.

[26:06] Also, the land.

[26:07] And like, one of the twillers I think I was looking at, they bought a generator.

[26:12] But I think it was part of their upgrades to the so...

[26:15] Right.

[26:16] But when two generator came, it was equivalent to...

[26:20] Well, it would, if it's for the building, it's part of the building.

[26:24] So yeah, a generator would be to keep the building functioning.

[26:29] So yeah, so anyway, I just wanted to get clarification on that with the impact fees.

[26:36] Like when we had them before, I had to do reporting to the state every year what we brought in, what we spent.

[26:45] And this is going to be a little different because last time it was only for a building.

[26:49] So that's, it was very simple, our impact fees were straight forward, now we're going

[26:55] to have to account for, yeah, so, and so I guess another question I would have would

[27:03] be, because if we don't spend impact fees, we have to return them and if we only spend

[27:14] the part on the equipment of a commercial.

[27:17] Do we have to, can we keep that and to turn the 12?

[27:22] Can you bank it?

[27:23] Oh, yeah.

[27:24] Yeah, you can.

[27:25] But after, if they're not spent after six years,

[27:28] you have to return them.

[27:30] Yeah.

[27:31] So it's spend it or lose it.

[27:34] But the dollar amount's not going to be that big.

[27:37] That was my next question.

[27:40] Are we going to know, like if we decide to go after a piece of equipment, are we going

[27:45] to know what's actually going to be there as far as the impact fee?

[27:50] Who do we get that information from?

[27:52] So the county and we have to work on the MOU with the county, but the county tracks all

[27:58] of that.

[27:59] So, and like I said before with impact fees, we really, it comes out to us putting money out

[28:04] up front and then we get reimbursed because those just come in over time.

[28:08] That's basically what's going to be what's going to be building in the county

[28:13] What what development is going to happen. Yes

[28:16] Yeah, you can do a project

[28:19] Projection

[28:19] And that's and basically that's what Cody did with the analysis. This he did projections on what gross was

[28:27] So you think it's going to be three million dollars on that by flyer drug?

[28:33] I don't remember the number we talked about or did some calculation was last time. Yeah

[28:38] But it's just going to be an estimated yes, but here's how I look at it man

[28:42] When we first started talking about impact fees. I was like this is our golden ticket

[28:45] All these people, you know want to offset the tourists coming into towns all these motels

[28:51] The more we went through impact fees. It's not the golden ticket

[28:54] But it is a way to offset it. Yeah, so if we are looking at purchasing

[28:58] Yes supplement it

[29:00] If we are looking at purchasing a ladder truck or infrastructure stuff

[29:04] It's a way to offset

[29:06] I would think we could still go through like C.I.B. and still look at grants and stuff like that, but it's to me

[29:12] It's just a way to offset that you know, and we're going hey, we should we should build a building here

[29:16] We go well, how do we do it the budget we currently have? I think the impact fees is just a way to supplement that

[29:23] Well, you're gonna need a new ladder truck center then later with all these call buildings going on

[29:28] Yep, we currently cannot find parts for the ladder truck that

[29:33] but we have or we're still at three stories though.

[29:38] Yeah, although there's for no, yeah.

[29:42] There's a proposal for four stories and there's a proposed

[29:46] apartment of five stories development that has plans

[29:51] of a five story building.

[29:53] So when you buy this new ladder truck,

[29:55] you need to prepare for bigger truck.

[29:58] We are and that's one thing.

[30:00] It's hard to sell the commissioners or the community, and that's why I tell you guys, I always want to stay one step above it. We're looking at like a 107 instead of a 75 foot for that same reason. It's hard because we buy a 107 today and people are going to be like, are you buying a 107? You know, you're like, because of the future build out.

[30:21] Well, you're using them, even if you didn't build that, you'd use that one also. Who makes that decision?

[30:28] on how tall they can go counting and setting so we don't say anything we have input yeah

[30:36] planning and zoning has input we have input a lot of times they they put it

[30:40] solely on us as the reason why we can so if we go four-storey or five-storey is

[30:46] there something extra we get out of it for them building that bigger we get

[30:52] impact fees from? Yeah. I listen to the last planning commission meeting with the county where

[31:00] they're talking about the new the proposal of doing 45 unit per acre higher density because

[31:12] right now it's only 18 and quite frankly just about everybody on the planning commission was

[31:19] against it they they they're like why would we jump from 18 to 45 you know

[31:25] well that's a huge that's over double why and there's nothing in between

[31:30] change their impact fees when they go beyond three storage to cover everything I

[31:36] don't know we can do that but I know Brandon tries to to work with those people

[31:42] that want to come in and build four five those bigger places and see if they'll

[31:45] they'll donate to us or before we give them a CMO if they'll, if it's part of our requirement.

[31:52] What wasn't that? What we always said is that we said that higher than three stories

[31:58] because our trucks won't go to that house. Yeah. Yeah, but that's a, that's a bullshit statement

[32:03] to be completely honest with you. Yeah. That was the case. New York wouldn't have what they have.

[32:08] Solving City wouldn't have what they have. We would change our firefighting tactics a lot,

[32:12] But we're prepared for that.

[32:16] And it may be some kind of insurance risk for them, though, too.

[32:22] Well, and Brandon can answer this better than me.

[32:24] Once you start going above those, you have to have more egresses, more elevators.

[32:29] You have to have different fire plans and stuff like that.

[32:34] By law, we have to cover up to five stories and be able to do

[32:39] of ladder operations on a five-storey building.

[32:42] So once we got those, we would have to get a

[32:44] total ladder truck, but after five stories,

[32:47] they're constructed exactly like that

[32:48] to where they're broke out in different zones,

[32:51] and they have multiple egress.

[32:53] They have multiple fire pumps.

[32:55] Yeah, we did.

[32:56] There's a one, one on seven, take a five-storey.

[32:59] I mean, it will, but again, you know,

[33:03] not like to NFPA.

[33:04] So one and a half.

[33:05] I'm gonna approach these people

[33:06] with their tax write-off for them.

[33:08] if they do the donation for the extra bit for the fire truck.

[33:11] Charlie, if you're better than we are about this, man, I'm getting stolen all on the

[33:16] way.

[33:16] I think I told you guys that Park City store them up for right off on their development

[33:20] and, you know, say, you don't need to write this off.

[33:25] We were talking to a guy that somebody went in and donated them.

[33:29] My numbers are going to be off, but a ton of money.

[33:32] They went and bought, this was the rims team thing.

[33:34] They went and bought a pickup from a company.

[33:37] The company donated their UTV, and another company said,

[33:42] we'll donate the trailer.

[33:44] So, they actually made money off of saying

[33:47] that they were going to implement a rims team

[33:49] because they didn't even spend the $200,000 or whatever it was.

[33:54] That's the right place at the right time.

[33:58] I must not be as soon as talking as I thought I was.

[34:12] So yeah, with impact fees, I will at the end of this week, I'll email Dana again about the MOU that we have to have with Grand County and see if we can just get the county attorney to look at it. We can run it by an attorney and make some tweaks to what we had last time and make it work. So because we'll want to get that.

[34:31] in place in the next couple of months so okay well it's future considerations the only thing

[34:40] that I would have on that is you know as we have our administrative meetings and our strategic meetings

[34:47] we a lot of times come to a standstill because you guys are the ones that say yay or nay to a lot of

[34:54] our ideas that come out of those meetings, I think it would be advantageous to have a budget

[35:01] strategy workshop. I know you guys are pressed for time and have a lot going on, but we kind

[35:07] of hit roadblocks when we come up with all these ideas. When we have the budget for it, there's

[35:13] a commission stand behind us, so maybe just some type of strategic budget workshop in the future

[35:21] sooner than later but that would be something that I would I think would help us as we move forward on our strategic planning and you know the same conversation about are we building a building where's it going to be or purchasing a land or purchasing a truck.

[35:37] I think maybe sit down in a workshop and getting you guys as maybe not making decisions because at least some guidance on the direction that you see us needing to go.

[35:47] So, that's the building that I have on that.

[35:51] I do have one other thing that I forgot to put on my cheese report if you want to hear

[35:56] that now.

[35:58] Go ahead.

[35:59] I got a phone call from Bridger Fire, which was the company I believe you went up and got

[36:04] a 6-3 from the 550.

[36:07] Yep.

[36:09] Their new name is Asella Truck, and they are coming down to Moab, they're going to the

[36:15] Louis Conference in Reno and then coming down to Moab, they're building a new prototype

[36:23] out of a Jeep commander, I think the pickup style Jeep. It's called a dispatcher 4x4.

[36:30] They wanted to know if they could use our logo and I said absolutely. You guys have any

[36:33] issues with that? Okay.

[36:38] I'm hoping they just leave it with us. Use our logo on their

[36:43] truck and then then they're going to take it back up to where they're going to

[36:47] put the logo on there and put their name on it or was it probably we didn't get too deep into it

[36:54] I said sure you can use it and you know we'll talk a little bit more but I don't have any issues

[37:00] but others and look at it and is it going to be confusing between ours and ours or will you be able to

[37:07] Splitter the port

[37:09] Caesar name in it

[37:11] Because if they put their name on it, you might see somebody after and think it's us and it's no

[37:17] This is just gonna be well. They're here. Yeah, I would imagine it's just for the woolly conference and Jeep Safari

[37:23] It's just yeah, he's like I said can we take it out and rally at the last couple days?

[37:27] It's an absolutely all you guys

[37:32] But I would honestly I would I would make sure that we have some type of contract with them that it won't be misused or

[37:38] some represent it, because I think we could use it on our social media, but I also think

[37:43] I don't want it going through the community and people are like, what did they buy now?

[37:47] Right.

[37:48] Oh, good point.

[37:49] We will do a social media push saying, hey, this is a company coming down to advertise and

[37:54] this is not our movies.

[37:57] Right.

[37:58] Great point.

[37:59] I didn't think about that one Jim, but they think the world I actually, they'd left me

[38:05] email and I think some voice mail I hadn't gone back with them because I thought it was

[38:08] just sales people and he's like, I'm glad you called me because I asked our sales team

[38:12] did we piss Moab off?

[38:16] Seemed like nice people and I would imagine it's kind of interesting because I looked at

[38:19] their website and they have a bunch of, they build vehicles like our FEPP truck and we

[38:26] just spent $3,400 on an alternator and I was like these might be good people to make friends

[38:37] Anyway, I don't see any major issues coming from it fire departments do it all the time. I just want to make sure you guys

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