[0:10] 1.2 bring the meeting of the bur of Mana
regular council meeting for January 12th
[0:17] 2016 to order will everybody please rise
for an invitation remain standing for
[0:22] flag
salute thank
[0:28] you Father
we beseech you to bless this Council as
[0:33] we start on our journey going into the
new year for
[0:37] 2016 we ask that our our dollars go to
where they need to go and spend wisely
[0:44] that the problems are minimal and the
benefits are are an abundance we ask
[0:50] that you protect our burrow workers our
Highway water and SE treatment people
[0:55] our police officers our volunteer
firefighters the mayor Council and all
[1:01] those who represent the burrow Mana to
do the do business of burrow Manaka not
[1:06] for their own interest but for thy will
and thy will be done
[1:12] amen I Ali to the flag of the United
States of America and to the repic for
[1:19] which it stands one nation under God
indivisible with liberty and justice for
[1:27] all roll call
Mr
[1:31] Demario present Mr Rossy here Mrs Rossy
here Mr Wilson uh pres Mr Moulder here
[1:42] Mr shter pres Mr zigarelli here Mr
Michael present Mr
[1:50] Snider president Boer present mayor
anine
[1:58] Pres
uh visitors comments in regards to items
[2:04] on the agenda does anybody have any
comments in regards items on the
[2:11] agenda Communications Maran no
Communications Mr President at this time
[2:17] I I need a motion to approve regular
meeting minutes of December 28
[2:22] 2015
so
[2:28] second
any questions all in favor I
[2:35] opposed motion passes motion to approve
reorganization meeting minutes of
[2:41] January 4th 2016 so move
second any questions on the motion all
[2:49] in favor I opposed motion
passes physical and contractual monthly
[2:57] I need a motion to approve monthly bills
so
[3:04] move any question on the motion all in
favor I'm sorry I do have a question
[3:12] okay never mind I got that answer Mr
answer thank
[3:16] you I
apologize okay any other
[3:20] questions all in
favor
[3:24] opposed motion
passes mayor's
[3:28] report
uh the total number of citations and
[3:33] warnings is 94 the total calls for
service was 181 total monetary receipts
[3:39] for the month of December 2015 was $
3,769
[3:45] 61 also attached you'll find a synopsis
of uh the year
[3:51] 2015 attached to that for thank you is
there any questions on the mayor
[3:58] report thank you mayor
manager's
[4:03] report yes thank you Mr President uh
first item of business that I'd like to
[4:07] bring the attention uh to council as
well as the uh the public is part of our
[4:13] participation in the
ms4 um and some of you are aware that we
[4:19] do that annual advertisement with the uh
County and all the municipalities the
[4:24] ms4 uh stands for separated storm water
uh sanitary system
[4:30] uh I believe uh the four s's but
primarily it's addressing storm water uh
[4:36] part of the formality of us to staying
in compliance we have to do uh public
[4:43] comment sessions similar to what I'm
doing right now uh raising attention uh
[4:49] to the importance of the storm water
system and trying to eliminate
[4:55] pollutants from getting into these storm
sewers such as litter and everything and
[5:01] it's in protection of our streams and
rivers and obviously we all want to see
[5:06] uh clean water and Aquatic Life uh
Thrive so um there are are they on the
[5:15] podium circulating what we're asking is
uh all of the uh residents in attendance
[5:21] if you would kindly take a copy of it
please read it on the back of the form
[5:26] there are some questions we would um
appreciate your feedback there's also a
[5:32] section uh asking if you have any
interest in volunteering and assisting
[5:38] the burrow in uh maintaining compliance
uh with this uh we will be uh receiving
[5:45] a audit by the D in regards to our
compliance that will be conducted uh
[5:52] here at the burrow on January
21st um this is the first uh time that
[5:58] they actually are making sure that
municipalities are complying with the
[6:03] regulations it's a courtesy audit uh
they will come in and point out any
[6:07] deficiencies the borrow may have and
anything that we we're doing correctly
[6:12] they will also
acknowledge um once again this is a uh a
[6:17] friendly audit that's coming in on
October uh January 21st uh after this
[6:23] they will have the ability to come in
spontaneously and do it similar to what
[6:28] they do in the sanitary system as well
as the water system and if they find uh
[6:34] deficiencies uh in our procedures we can
be assessed uh pedals so we are going to
[6:40] strive uh to do our best here at manac
to stay in compliance with this uh
[6:45] you'll also find additional education on
our website and we intend to circulate
[6:51] uh continual educational information in
your water pills or potential uh
[6:56] newsletters that are coming
forward so and then the uh the next item
[7:02] is the uh cdbg block R uh those
applications are uh coming due
[7:09] um once again uh uh typically we would
do curb curb ramps with with the money
[7:17] uh a 50,000 uh request to the County
Commissioners the last three years uh we
[7:24] utilized our request for monies to go
towards the elevator at CJ man
[7:30] um without any specific projects uh on
the horizon unless someone on Council uh
[7:36] can think of something um I would
suggest that we maybe authorize the
[7:42] engineers to move forward with
proceeding with submitting an
[7:46] application for curb Rams the amount of
uh 50,000 and they typically run uh
[7:54] around
33500 per curve mile so do the math and
[7:58] how br will be able to to replace again
these monies are um projects would have
[8:06] to comply with the income
thresholds so if we wanted to do a
[8:11] project that we thought would qualify
under income so we would have to do
[8:14] those surveys and I believe those
surveys have to be completed by the end
[8:18] of this month um we really haven't had a
huge success in going for those uh we've
[8:26] been more successful in applying for
project did adhere to uh improvements in
[8:32] ADA
compliance other than that I don't have
[8:36] anything else to
report questions does anybody have any
[8:40] questions questions on the manager
report okay we'll move on to the
[8:45] solicitor's report Atty
Y no but I understand you may have
[8:50] something for executive session
yes Department reports um Danny's busy
[8:58] on the
highways um everybody has a report for
[9:03] the water um Mr dein wastewater
[9:09] treatment
yes good evening uh congratulations to
[9:14] the newly elected Council people um Mr
President Mr Vice President honorable
[9:22] mayor Mr
Le ladies and gentlemen Council jov
[9:28] operator wastewater treatment um brief
report for December 2015 the treatment
[9:35] plant was in compliance uh for the month
uh sanitary waste ping and processing
[9:40] total receipts for the month were
[9:48] $7,150 were
$14,560 to make a lot of money down
[9:54] there
however little caveat with that under
[9:58] the new permit
our friends at the D are going to make
[10:01] that a little bit difficult for us under
the new they're going to require us to
[10:05] sample each and every load that comes in
obviously that's going to be cumers I'm
[10:10] looking into the logistics of that um we
do not have the lab capacity to do that
[10:17] um so I'm currently talking to microvac
or
[10:20] CMA um trying to determine how we're
going to actually do this if we want to
[10:25] keep this obviously we want to keep this
this cash count up uh but they're going
[10:29] to require us to stample each and every
know that comes in uh we will in turn
[10:34] charge the vendors and they will pass
the the laboratory costs off to their
[10:39] clients so just want to give you heads
up we will make more money obviously
[10:44] because we did raise the rates this year
we raised it a whole two cents a gallon
[10:48] so and I don't see any end in the near
future we're currently starting to take
[10:53] uh uh products from the shell site as
well so I just don't see this number you
[10:59] know tailing off I see it you know
rising in in the future we're one of the
[11:05] few sites um that are currently you know
still taking seage
[11:11] products yes your question wait till
done sure it was specific to that okay
[11:19] um okay um about press operations the
Press was an operation for 6 days during
[11:24] the month Total Disposal costs uh were
279
[11:30] 64 uh you may be aware that the sludge
contract uh starting January 1 the
[11:35] disposal cost went up as well about
23% uh for for disposal cost per ton uh
[11:43] safety we really did not have time to
conduct a formal safety meeting during
[11:47] the month however safety and safety
practices are constantly discussed uh
[11:52] finally Personnel all personel have meor
contractual obligations regarding
[11:57] employment
[12:01] de questions yes my question was regards
to that are we were going to sampling
[12:07] every load are loads being um taken down
on Saturday and Sunday they that's the
[12:14] logistics how how are we going to do
this you know obviously um we have a
[12:19] really good report with Mr John Mr John
provides us quite a bit of service you
[12:25] know to the burrow at no cost for a lot
of the different events we have to
[12:29] borrow so I'm looking in ways that we
might be able to accommodate them the
[12:34] problem is the sampling that we have to
do the whole time on any given sample is
[12:38] 24 hours so we have to find a laboratory
that can conduct that analysis within
[12:43] that 24hour period
so that's the point I was guess coming
[12:49] across if we are going to Outsource it
will that lab be open on a Saturday or
[12:52] Sundays right and and and and they're
and the vendors are aware because they
[12:58] know that this is coming
because every treatment plant that does
[13:01] alas there's only a few other ones
they're they're getting the same thing
[13:05] it just so happens that we're in our
renewal cycle of our permit we should be
[13:09] coming in any day and it's going to be
stringent I've been talking um to
[13:14] different uh operators in alag county
and the Deb is is they're just they're
[13:20] getting they're getting difficult
they're going to require a lot more
[13:23] sampling um Mr mentioned the clean
streams and freshwater fish they want
[13:28] the to be drinkable I think and I think
you know almost almost to a point of
[13:36] just liy in my opinion the last question
to that question is uh we're working
[13:40] with Mr sedak and Wimer on that on on
the sampling no not as of yet not as of
[13:47] yet this is just something that I'm
looking into right now um the
[13:51] documentation the trail that's that
we're going to have to document even
[13:54] though I document it now and it's all
reported to the D there's a ton more
[14:00] paperwork that's going to have to be
required I already spoke with Dawn I
[14:04] said guess what guess he is going to
have to help me with paperwork reporting
[14:07] septic volumes remember that little
conversation we
[14:11] had so thank you all right
very yeah Kurt um time frame on the
[14:18] sampling say a truck rolls in we get a
sample before they
[14:23] empty lab time frame 24 hours we have 24
hours to get that to the lab
[14:29] and it has to wait minute are you saying
they're going to dump first we're going
[14:32] to take a sample and they're going to
dump well we only allow respectable
[14:37] vendors down there we don't we don't
allow any fly by nighter down there i'
[14:41] I've weeded those people all out uh we
typically only have four vendors that we
[14:45] allow in the facility now um and and
they all know the rules they know that
[14:51] their privileges will be revoked at any
given time that that would bring
[14:55] anything detrimental to the process so
so given that okay they would bring
[15:02] their their whatever load they would
have they would have to sample that load
[15:05] we would put that sample on Ice uh they
would have to fill out a chain of
[15:09] custody with that and that sample would
have to be taken to the lab or the lab
[15:14] carer pick that up within 24 hours but
that has to be cleared before they can
[15:19] unload that truck not necessarily not
necessarily there's there there's no way
[15:24] to do that this way and and the test
that we we do is a 5day test so it's
[15:29] it's it's it's a ridiculous thing but
they the D wants a way to to find out if
[15:34] we have violations to be able to to go
back through the paperwork and say ah
[15:39] this is who caused our
problems does that jeopardize the burrow
[15:43] though by letting them dump before they
get
[15:48] cleared there's there's it's a catch 22
you know we either we either we either
[15:53] make the money you know and and and most
of the stuff is residential um um or
[15:59] holding tanks um so it hasn't hurt us
there was only one one violation in 2015
[16:06] and we isolated that uh we we determined
who it was and and we eliminated that
[16:12] account uh that was caused it did cause
a violation it was cited in the in the
[16:17] no that we
received so is there any other questions
[16:25] Mr thank you
Mr
[16:34] okay there's a NE neighborhood service
report in the packet
[16:39] also uh new business before we move
forward there's new people on Council
[16:43] would you explain this motion to reject
the bids Mr yes the we had advertised
[16:49] bids for analine Park and
um when we tabulated all of the load
[16:55] bids uh it exceeded our current uh
projected budget for the project so um
[17:03] The Architects are redeveloping new
specs we're um cutting it out and going
[17:12] to re advertise it with those uh items
removed from from the bid
[17:20] process okay well I'll need a motion to
reject all bids for anline Park
[17:25] project so move second
second
[17:32] question is that in the packet the list
we're going to reduce to
[17:37] M no we're still working on that uh and
then when we come before Council to ask
[17:45] you to reti the project will'll tell you
what items are being striped out um some
[17:53] items we're going to put on as a
potential ad add deduct so that it gives
[17:59] us flexibility to be able to package the
project into our anticipated budget
[18:08] um after we encountered this problem we
did go back to the or dcnr we explained
[18:15] to them our scenario um they did come
forward and offer
[18:21] to give us up to $50,000 if the burrow
would match the equivalent of that so we
[18:27] were in $300,000 project um this will
put it to about a $400,000 project and
[18:36] that's including your architect and
Engineers piece so when you strike those
[18:39] out you probably only have about 360
370,000 for actual physical construction
[18:46] um that project came in if you add up
all the pric on a low bit it was
[18:51] 475,000
so um there was some glits to it some of
[18:57] the facade uh uh that was packaged into
it it was expensive so those items
[19:03] instead of having this uh paneling um
it'll probably just be uh block faed so
[19:09] these are some of the green roof uh The
Green Roof component um was a POS me
[19:14] $80,000 now when you take that green
roof off um there's going to be some
[19:19] cost added in because now that you're
taking the green roof structure you've
[19:24] got to put in a a roof uh component to
it so
[19:28] um they're working on all that and I
anticipate hopefully at the next meeting
[19:34] uh or last meeting in January to present
something to you hopefully if not first
[19:40] meeting does that affect the granad all
p in that green roof no that was one of
[19:45] our concerns because one of the reasons
uh that we scored and got some
[19:49] additional points was the the green
component um of course they would love
[19:54] to see that part still remain to it but
they understand the logistics and and
[19:58] with the time that we have in It
ultimately they want to see the need of
[20:03] the facility accomplished so um they're
willing to waiver that
[20:08] structurally um we're not going to
change any of the structureal or
[20:11] engineering of it so it could be
possible to seek a grant further down
[20:16] the road to add the green roof if we so
desire and the structure will will
[20:21] support that component we're not going
to go and redesign and engineer the
[20:25] entire building because you're going to
you know spend a lot of money in engine
[20:31] engineering design and kind of defeat
the
[20:35] purpose what your estimation is costing
us a year not having that building as
[20:39] far
as not just convenience but I'm saying
[20:42] the P John whatever I mean not much we
had P John there even when the building
[20:46] was there um it wasn't safe to to
use so when it was there it wasn't being
[20:55] used
anyway
[20:58] no I'm saying it's it's costing us now I
mean I'd like to see the building get up
[21:02] and running yeah I TR would but it still
cost is because the old system had a
[21:08] uh a reserve tank that we had to have
pumped out so instead of paying for that
[21:13] service to come and pump that tank out
we rented
[21:16] portons um the new structure will have a
uh it'll go into our sanitary system so
[21:23] we won't have a disposal cost that will
just be with our system Cur be
[21:28] processing it Force at no cost
sample is there any other questions
[21:35] thank
you all in favor I opposed motion passes
[21:42] a motion to approve res resolution
number
[21:46] 1-16 designating signatures for First
Commonwealth Bank this is for the new
[21:51] officers so we uh can sign
checks um only need a motion on that so
[21:57] move
second second any
[22:02] questions all in favor I opposed motion
passes motion to approve resolution
[22:09] number 2-16 designating signatures for
Huntington
[22:15] Bank second any questions all in
favor
[22:22] opposed motion passes motion to approve
resolution number 3-16 designating
[22:28] signatures for West
[22:32] banko any questions all in
favor
[22:38] opposed motion passes um do you want to
explain wmer
[22:45] engineering um actually uh I mean I can
and Kurt please uh feel free to uh
[22:51] interject from these are annual uh
npdes permits uh that have to be uh done
[22:58] say compliant uh wh typically does these
for us and uh they agreed to uh continue
[23:05] the cost at
$1,600 for each of the two
[23:10] tests you have
anything um actually uh one is is the
[23:16] annual free tratment report and the
second is the um the uh chapter 94
[23:22] report so they are two distinctly
different
[23:26] reports got a question just for my own
understanding if you were to have to do
[23:30] this on your own what would you
guesstimate hour wise that would take
[23:33] you to do this just wild
Mar honestly I don't have the time to do
[23:39] this that's why we're that's why we just
they're engine they're engineering level
[23:43] reports okay that's what they
[23:47] are okay so I'll need a motion to
authorize Whitmer engineering to
[23:51] complete reports to them for npdes
permit at a cost of $1,600 each so move
[23:59] second I'll second any
[24:05] questions I believe they
maintain same as last year thank you all
[24:11] those in
favor
[24:14] opposed motion passes uh motion to
appoint 2016 baver County Regional
[24:20] Council of government's primary delegate
joh
[24:24] Bo
second
[24:28] here any questions it doesn't say John
Bo Mr
[24:34] President yes it
does I'm already I'm president of that
[24:39] also read the whole
[24:44] sentence uh any questions all in
favor
[24:50] opposed motion to appoint 2016 baver
County Regional Council of governments
[24:55] alternate delegates Dan zigerelli and
Derek
[25:01] Wilson any questions all in
favor opposed motion
[25:11] passes anybody have anything on Old
business John is going to be working on
[25:16] the old business
list yeah I keep
[25:21] forgetting I don't know why but I do and
I apologize to councel I have no excuse
[25:27] um I'll get that to
you um perhaps I can get it down to to
[25:33] the bural office and have it dispersed
from there but you'll get copies here
[25:38] very soon thank
[25:41] you um executive committee um Mr Wilson
chairman yeah last night we had a brief
[25:50] meeting that the members went over the
old proposal for the employee contract
[25:56] and the new proposal for the employee
contract which we will discuss um the
[26:00] findings of that in the executive
session
[26:04] later that was it thank
you you have a question on uh concerning
[26:11] the executive
committee when we talked about forming
[26:15] this you yourself told me there would be
a representative from each
[26:19] board and that that person from each
Ward who attended the
[26:24] meeting would report back to the other
councilman in that w
[26:28] to keep everybody aress of the situation
and what was at
[26:33] hand and uh at this point in time fifth
board taxpayers have no
[26:38] representation because we have two
members of first board and no one from
[26:43] fifth board so but they are represented
because we all represent every Bo I
[26:48] understand that but that wasn't the
original idea you presented to me why to
[26:52] form this executive
board and after every exec
[26:58] uh committee meeting there will be
minutes kept and they will be
[27:01] distributed to all 10 council members
okay can can I ask you why we changed
[27:06] our mind as far as having a
representative from
[27:11] each John Mr
board because I re-evaluated who I want
[27:17] who I wanted on the committee and as
president I'm in charge of putting who I
[27:22] wanted on the committee and that's what
I did and I'll ask that uh we let to see
[27:27] how works out and move forward with it I
just I didn't receive a phone call from
[27:33] anybody I mean I thought the objective
was to have the meeting inform the other
[27:37] five who were not in attendance and
you're being informed tonight at the in
[27:41] the
executive what happened I I'll speak in
[27:45] regards to no one being informed last
night the meeting didn't end around
[27:51] 9:30 and since it was going to be
discussed with the employees of the bu M
[27:58] was given the information to go back
to provide that to the union and then we
[28:03] knew that since we had a meeting today
it would be discussed in the executive
[28:06] session that would be the best time to
get it instead of emailing it out to all
[28:09] the
members when we don't have an answer
[28:12] back yet from the
employee subsequently enough since then
[28:16] I've been in the hospital since 1:00
a.m. in the morning so unfortunately I
[28:20] couldn't type any
[28:25] notes move on to citizens comments
complaints and and
[28:31] compliments does any citizens have
[28:39] anything good evening
guys je M cage2 Virginia Avenue
[28:45] Mana um I guess there was some
discussion about EMA the re organization
[28:51] meeting just to let you know this is my
20th year as a
[28:55] coordinator um it was asked that if
something would happen what what would
[29:00] be done just like anything else if the
president isn't there vice president
[29:04] steps in I have a deputy which is Chief
bors who would step in and I have a
[29:10] staff of 12 other people that respond
and the mayor knows and you've been
[29:15] there John seen some of the
drills
[29:20] um I take care of the Emergency
Operations plan and the operations
[29:25] center which is here right now and the
other thing that I would like to talk
[29:29] about is the one that was uh down the
CJ excuse me many meetings today um if
[29:37] we could get down to U looking back
getting that generator hooked up to that
[29:42] other room um it's been two years since
we had that room and I know we've been
[29:46] waiting for the uh for the elevator and
stuff like that and uh Mr I talked about
[29:51] that generator if we can just get it
tied into that room and get looked at um
[29:56] the other thing um I've been to Hazard
mitigation meetings um which we need to
[30:01] attend at least two and I've I've been
there to be part of the County Hazard
[30:06] mitigation plan which will be a 5-year
plan part of this plan is for to uh
[30:12] Define
funding uh your ms4 combined source of
[30:16] be projects um along the river if we
have erosion wishing away the river if
[30:22] we have landslides that we know we need
to get built up we these are projects
[30:27] that you can submit in this Hazard
mitigation if we don't participate in
[30:32] this program which we will be
participating if there was a federally
[30:36] declared disaster you probably wouldn't
be eligible well you will not be
[30:39] eligible for any fundings if we don't
get part this program I've been
[30:42] submitting uh information to mrone and
we'll continue to get that done and that
[30:46] that is uh being done by a a company
called tetratech and they a contracted
[30:51] through uh the county with
payment um that's basically I just
[30:57] wanted to let you know about that that
you have um
[31:01] another program to fix some things like
the ms4s and the hillsides or anything
[31:06] like that anything that has to do with
Hazard mitigation new Bren I think in
[31:11] North Swifty they had new bre like three
or four homes near the river because
[31:16] they constantly in a flood area they
came in and they uh homes Warners worth
[31:21] as much as they got from his homes what
they did they relocated these people
[31:25] instead of having them fing claims time
for flooding on the beber river so there
[31:30] has been success stories here in bber
County on those programs so if any the
[31:34] event that you don't get funded for one
just keep submitting them every year so
[31:39] and one might come our way soes anyone
have any questions about
[31:44] EMA oh June 14th is one of your meeting
nights that will be our
[31:50] drill um with the Bieber Valley Power
Station that will go from 4: p.m. till
[31:57] could be 9 9:30 it all depends on what
happens during the drill um we will
[32:01] leave this room and unless we get into
the other facility done at
[32:07] CJ if we I have to submit plans to
payment FEMA by March 18th if we're
[32:13] going to be able to use that room down
there because it has to go
[32:17] through I have to submit by March 18th
Municipal plans and part of it is
[32:22] relocation of the emergency Operation
Center you just need the um
[32:27] generator to the generator will need to
be tied in the um internet
[32:34] line the internet and the
um telephone line I um I got a $50
[32:41] antenna that I put up for the TVs to
receive the news broadcast we got 19 HD
[32:48] TVs or stations
so but yeah that's I just want to make
[32:53] sure you do about that date because it's
on the same counil meeting in June 14
[32:58] and everyone's invited to attend to see
what goes on at that meeting and how
[33:02] their operation works in the event of a
incident at the
[33:06] station all right any
[33:10] questions thank
[33:17] you there any other
citizens please St your name and
[33:23] address my name is Robert maano I live
at 1628
[33:28] renue I got two things tonight first one
is the Fall Fest I was told to give
[33:35] until January
meeting and I've been waiting
[33:40] patiently I'd like to know what's going
on I have put U Mr shter in charge of
[33:46] that committee okay so if you would like
to help out with it please contact him
[33:51] the other thing is the house at
1620 Beaver
[33:55] Avenue
i f several complaints about this house
[34:00] this house is
deplorable there's a big hole in the
[34:04] back of the house the garage door is now
falling off of the
[34:09] house and yet the house Still
[34:14] Remains Mario or do you have anything on
[34:20] that I I he did make a complaint on it
the complaint was forwarded to the uh
[34:27] officer and I would have to uh check on
the status of it I visited the property
[34:32] personally myself it is
[34:36] in condition I can attest to that Robert
is it 1620 or
[34:42] 1640 the grous 1620 would have to be
right
[34:49] yeah 1620 on the code enforcement report
1640 is listed on three different pages
[34:55] as well 1640 is also a house further up
the street that has no Foundation walls
[35:01] and that's also been reported but 1620
we're actually getting
[35:07] rodents on our property and I live two
doors away from it okay I'm not allowed
[35:13] to shoot the rodent you
I I'm not going to let rodents overt
[35:19] take my house I can tell you that right
[35:25] now so we could get that Tak a look at
and get some kind of
[35:31] solution thank you thank
you any other
[35:38] citizens citizens section is now
closed uh
[35:44] announcements no
announcements um I jumped over executive
[35:50] session to discuss judicial sell
properties discuss legal King Pool and
[35:55] SP matters and discuss Personnel Contra
contract negotiation contract
[36:01] negotiation need a motion make Mo second
second any questions all in
[36:09] favor
opposed motion carries we'll go into
[36:13] executive
[36:17] session