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I'm good. Okay, everyone. It's 545. That's interesting. Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the meeting of the

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in the chairwoman of the Legal Affairs Committee.

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The clerk of the Legal Affairs Committee is Councilor Romero,

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and the third member of Legal Affairs is the Councilor

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to my right, Councilor David Kormier.

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So I'm going to start this right up by asking if there is anybody

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here, and I know that there are.

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Anyone here that would like to speak on C-06.

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If you could please just come to the podium and say your name and your address and either in

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favor of or against.

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Thank you.

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Good evening.

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My name is John Roskary.

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I'm with the DPW and I'm here to talk about the taking for the what related project that

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to a wait pleasant street.

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This is a DOT project funded by DOT,

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that's a 5.4 million dollar project.

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It's been combined with the project

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that Council voted on back in December.

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Landcaster Street in the Union Street.

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The DOT, they could get a better pricing for it.

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This is comprised of two fee parses,

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three permanent easements and nine temporary easements.

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And there's basically two projects here on this piece.

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There's a replacement of the culvert in pleasant street.

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And then there's the clean up downstream alongside the wasmeadow condos.

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The project is basically going to put the screen bed back where it was.

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I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you. If you want to try, just try having a seat at the desk, try that microphone and maybe that'll.

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So the project is basically two projects, it's a replace the emergency pipe that we put in almost

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three years ago with a box cover and downstream alongside wasmitto condos, we're going

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to put the streambed back, where it was installed a bit of a

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berm alongside on the easterly side of the streambed to help protect

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the condos a little bit more.

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That's the gist of this project, like I said, two fee

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Brussels, three permanents, and nine temporary easements.

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And they hope to go out to bid in September.

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They hope to get good pricing.

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And probably start, I imagine, with the clean up in the wetland area.

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So we have any?

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John, can you explain what the temporary easements amount to?

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The temporary easements are the area that gets disturbed will be returned back to

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somewhat what it was where there's some where trees had been removed, the plants and trees,

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the power line, a long pleasure street needs to be relocated while because there's a

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hole, right near the culvert. So they have to push it off the road through people's yards.

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And when that's all done, the poles come out and the new pole goes back in on pleasant

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street. The other temperaries are down towards the by the condos. That's just to move

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some breath around and they restore the wetlands and the streambed and then they get out.

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Okay.

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And that's all that is.

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Do we have an estimated length of time on this project?

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The, like I said, they want to start this fall.

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But the road closure on Pleasant Street will be next summer.

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Okay.

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Because they're going to have to open up the whole road in order, because this is, right now

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there's a 36 diameter pipe in the ground, which isn't nearly big enough to handle a storm.

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So they want to put in a four foot tall, 10 foot wide box cover.

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So in order to achieve that, they have to open up the whole road.

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And it would project would start after school is done for the season.

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Shut it down for the summer.

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Get it back open as quick as they can.

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So we should be just the summer of 27.

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Should be it.

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Okay.

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I'm going to open this up and just a second by John, I'm going to ask if you wouldn't mind staying there if there's any specific questions and then we can ask those.

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First, I'm going to go to members of my committee if you have any questions.

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Councillor Merrill.

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Councillor Cormier.

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I do not at this time.

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Okay.

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Councillor Badanza, I saw your hand up first.

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Thank you.

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And I'm going to assume that E is for permanent easement and TE is for temporary easement.

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So, and then there's designated square footages for those all the easements.

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So, it looks like almost all of them are, all of them are under 3,000 square feet, but most of them are under 1,000 square feet.

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And in terms of state-of-the-art construction,

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These type of drainage areas, they don't box culver, it is the city of the art, and one uses pipes anymore, right?

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For something to lots a lot of times now.

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Our days, it's whenever you touch a culvert, you have to adhere by a DEP's stream crossing standard, which is to allow animals to pass through.

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If the opening is too small, the animals are less inclined to crawl through the smaller pipe than they are, the larger box culvert.

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Okay, so thank you. I'm all set.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you, John, for coming down and explaining this because, you know, people in the area

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have a lot of questions.

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So in terms of the wasmeadow, in terms of the cleanup, there are, you know, lots of debris,

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you know, there's been sticks, but then being boulders and then some of the trees were heard

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and now they're dead.

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So we'll clearing out that kind of debris, be part of the project.

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I believe so.

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Okay.

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I believe that's part of the, because a lot of material that washed out

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Right.

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Is what's killing the trees?

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Exactly.

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So when they're in there and around pulling the gravel back out, they're going to have to

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get to the gravel.

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So they'll be cutting some trees.

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The trees will come out.

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And they'll restore the wetlands the way they want to look exactly like it did before.

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It'll look better.

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And it'll be fire enough away from the condominiums to really prevent flooding.

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We hope in the future.

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It's best.

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That's the idea.

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All righty, thank you.

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How's the nose, where are they?

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Thank you.

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So I guess also thinking about projects,

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what you're doing this project.

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If you do come across additional issues,

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or concerns that are sort of eminent,

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just for people watching,

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is there like, you know,

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when we all watch HCTV,

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there are contingency funds?

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So are there, is there something like that built in?

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if you do come across something that's really important

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and you didn't find before or has that period already

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sort of passed?

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That would probably, that would be under the whole project

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under DOT.

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Oh, OK.

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It sits there funding.

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So if you look on the project website, they call it.

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It's a 5.4 million dollar project.

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But they have, I think they have available, 600, 6 million.

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Perfect.

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Great thing.

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Thank you so much.

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If there's something out there.

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And hopefully there isn't just in case they come across something.

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Okay, thank you.

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Awesome.

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Yes, thank you.

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Any other members of the Council have any questions?

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Comments?

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Okay, seeing none, I'm going to open it up to the public if there's anyone here who would like to speak on C-06.

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Again, John, I'm going to ask you to stay in case anybody has any specific questions.

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If you have any comments or concerns, please step up to the podium.

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State your name and your address and any of your concerns or questions.

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I don't know that that's the D.P.W.E. said it's the state.

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I lived at Washington, so I've been living with this for three years now.

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And I happen to be the lucky person that owns the condo that's an inch from the work now, not an inch, but maybe we are concerned about when all the water came down from the poor house.

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out on the corner. Every boulder and rock and whatever came into our yard. And we just kind

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of want to make sure that you're going to take all those back. That's the idea. Okay.

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Also, I have pictures on my phone, but I can't pass them out. I'm sorry. The trees all behind

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my condo were beautiful, lovely trees until three years ago, and now they're all dead.

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And we really want to make sure that they don't get a chance to fall on our houses while we're waiting.

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Can somebody from the DPW come down and take a look at these dentaries and make sure that they're not going to fall on our house?

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Well, if they're part of the flood damage, I'll see the DOT can take care of those.

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But if you said there, are they going to start this fall with that kind of stuff or are we waiting until after next slide?

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I don't know. I know that.

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I'm not going to wait until next slide.

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They're not going to open up.

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Right away.

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But they get a contractor on board and they can start doing things.

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That's a perfect winter project for some work contract.

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We just go.

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To get out there and stack the project.

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If I could add to this discussion, there was a meeting, I think it was about a year ago in the auditorium about this project.

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In the original scope of work, really did not include the cleanup and the restoration of the condominium property.

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And city officials were good enough to get involved in that and convince the department of transportation to broaden the scope of the project so that those items will be addressed.

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So I'm very comfortable that that has been as part of the plan as Mr.

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As John is indicating and that we'll get that square away for you folks.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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We really appreciate it.

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Well, we appreciate your patience.

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Oh, you've been very patient.

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don't blame you for that.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Is there anyone else?

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Ma'am.

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Ma'am.

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Could you just pick up and give your full name in the address.

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So we can clarify the record.

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Okay.

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Oops, sorry.

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Yeah, my name is Christine McEwen.

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I live at 192 Pleasant Street, unit 22.

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Ms. McEwen, thank you very much.

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Is there anyone else here who would like to address C-06?

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I'm Bonnie Curry.

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I'm fortunate.

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I'm at 180 Pleasant Street.

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So the condo took pretty much the front of everything.

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That wasn't too bad.

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But.

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First, am I missing the schedule B, this refers to the schedule B that I don't have

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a record.

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That's the page six and it lists the damages that are being awarded to the various

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savings.

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Yes, I think that is as a possible ticket, and I was also wondering,

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my properties, like as

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the property on in the circle. So I didn't know it. Maybe it's just the power line that's

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going to affect me. Is there any, which has what accuracy?

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Yeah, that one.

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I'm sure National Grid is going to do it to minimize the any power outages.

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It's all controlled. It says to what they're doing.

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Not your property.

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Over here.

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This here.

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That's it.

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Right there.

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Yeah, there's no easements on your property. I think you, you would notify it because you're, you're in the area.

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Not easement was, they'll be the road to get closed. So you'll, you know, the road can be closed.

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And what do we do as residents? Are we going to be able to?

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It'll be closed. You'll have to use pawn street, cut back to Franklin and Union to get to the other side of Pleasant.

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It'll only be closed between pawn street and

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two 19 plus and street straight away

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They only closed. They only

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It's going to be opened up. There will not be any way to drive through it

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No, you'll be able to get around. It's just that

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The road closure won't be at your house.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Is there anybody else here who would like to address C-06?

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For a second time anybody in the audience that would like to speak in favor of her against

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C-06?

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And for a third and final time is there anybody in the audience that would like to address C-06?

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Well, we have John here, and we're going to open it up to any members of the council as well.

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If anybody has any questions, concerns, for John, John, thank you so much for coming down.

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Madam President, I am going to close this public hearing.

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Okay, we're going right into public hearing at scheduled for 6 p.m.

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64-26, Donna Mollett of 58 Skylane Lemister, respectfully request to modify Section 22-4 definitions of the Lemister zoning ordinance by adding the following definition of data center.

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I'm

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just a second here, folks.

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First the definition.

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I believe I have it here.

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Modify Section 22-4 definitions of the limister zoning ordinance by adding the following definition of data center.

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A facility or portion thereof primarily designed or used to house computer services and related information technology infrastructure

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for the storage processing management or transmission of electronic data.

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A data center may include but is not limited to server racks, data storage systems, cooling systems,

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Power-conditioning equipment, substations, uninterruptible, power supplies, backup generators,

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telecommunications, equipment security systems, and associated mechanical and electrical

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infrastructure.

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A.U. shall be classified as a data center where either A, more than 25 percent of the

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gross floor area is devoted to server-rat stationary computing equipment or associated

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mechanical or electrical infrastructure, or B, the primary purpose of the facility as determined

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by the Planning Board is the housing and operation of computer servers in related infrastructure.

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Regardless of floor area allocation for purposes of this bylaw, a data center shall not be considered an office use.

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Modify the table of uses by adding the following entry, which would be no across the board except for special permit by the city council in the industrial zoning area.

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I do see members of the public here.

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I believe the petitioner is here this evening.

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If Miss Mollett, if you would like to step up,

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I'm going to ask you to actually have a seat at the table

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because I think the microphone is a little bit better there.

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It's a public here, so you're welcome.

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You're welcome to it.

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Thank you.

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So I'm going to ask the petitioner at first to give us your

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reasoning behind us what you would like to see happen

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And why you would like to see it happen and just fill us in on your information.

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I think there is a little bit of confusion around what you read.

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I think the first one, which is the one that is on the 6pm hearing, is a NOAA across

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the board and the other one's 67, 26 is the sister petition to this, which is special permit

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of the city council.

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So it may make sense to open both because there are sister petitions that it's either one

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the other. Or that's to confusing. This is strictly the petition on no across the board in all

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in zones. I think just for clarity purposes and how it's written on the agenda, we're on 64-26,

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so that's where we're going to start this evening, just a by-by-air agenda. Sure, but the information

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that you read was for 66, was for 67, 26, but I believe that the definition was the

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definition is exactly the same, the directory that table uses is only different between,

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and industrial. So it's an across all districts versus the other petition which is a special

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permit of the city council in industrial. Okay, so we'll just go by the definition that was written

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the definition doesn't change. Correct. So the definition is the concern that I had primarily

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as a citizen is that a lot of cities and towns across the Commonwealth are running towards

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a moratorium of data centers. And what the group of individuals found is that Lemister does

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not have a definition. So I don't know what the moratorium would be on. And I think that these

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can co-exist what we're asking for is until such moratorium is exercised that we have a definition.

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I don't know how much clear that it could be is that we don't have one.

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So if someone were to come in and apply for what they really want is a data center, they

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could disguise it or just put it into the category that it would fall into is a business

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center and that cannot be halted, but at this point we have no definition.

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In the city of Lemonstra, for a data center, and we're asking for this council to adopt one.

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And that is technically the language that's in both of the petitions.

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The first petition, 6426, is also saying to make a decision on them that it is an across the board.

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And I'm not sure that that has to exist. We wanted to give you an option, which was 6726, is to say,

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only by special permit in industrial areas, but at the very least, I'm not sure if there would be a

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defensible reason to not have a definition of data centers in this day and age.

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You'll call it a bad job.

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Ms. Mollett, are you okay to

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for right now? Okay, sure. Councilor Bedanza, you have the floor.

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Our ordinance is very clear if it's not the permitted use, in other words, if it's not

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denominated in our ordinance already, it's prohibited, and the state statute permits us to do that.

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There was confusion a few years ago where that provision was in the table of uses, but not in the body of the ordinance.

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In the building aspect that took the position in the case of Airbnb's that they weren't permitted because of that language in the table of uses,

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because they weren't denominated or defined as a permitted use in the city.

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So what we did is we took the step to be sure that that language was also repeated in the body of the ordinance,

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so that if you come to the building in respect of an application for a use that is not specifically permitted in our city, it is a no.

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And that's the issue here, in my way of thinking it might be dangerous to put the, at this

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juncture, at least to put that definition in there, because you might be opening a door

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to something that isn't permitted here at this juncture, it's not.

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So that's, that's one of the issues I think that's before us.

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So if I may,

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let's say, let's say they come in and says it's a, it's an office building

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with a computer lab.

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These are the deepest pockets in the world.

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My daughter lives in Laudon County, Virginia.

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You can look at us.

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It's the data center capital of the world.

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Believe me, the stories that I've had over the years with her about the power and the

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pockets of these guys, these are the deepest in the world.

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They're going to come in and say, it's not a data center, it's an office building.

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That's in the table of use.

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It's just got a computer lab.

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Yeah, it's a big computer lab, but it's a computer lab.

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And it's in the table of uses, and it's allowed by right in commercial and industrial.

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Okay, you want to go to court with those guys?

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I don't think so.

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This is an explicit definition.

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We've talked about it came from Mansfield, who's passed it.

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It's pretty clear.

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It's pretty powerful.

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And you avoid that risk of being challenged as to whether it's a office building or whether it's a data center.

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I mean, what is the difference other than the size and scope of the computer lab room?

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What's the real difference?

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It's an office building, and that is in the table of uses.

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And I think you just, and I'm of the belief.

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I know, I don't want to get in, I'm of the belief that a moratorium and the other

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protection, 67-26, or whatever the number is, aren't at odds.

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In fact, I think the evulsion paths, and I'll explain, and I'll explain why, banning

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something which this one does, we know has a potential to be challenged.

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We've discussed that with the planning board, adult entertainment as the prime example, and

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they relied on First Amendment.

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The data center says First Amendment, I don't know.

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But they're already as challenged as in Virginia to say data centers are required for a social media

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And if you deny those you're denying my my first amendment. I think that's a stretch

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But somewhere along the line in this national debate about moratoriums in banning data centers

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They're going to be a big challenge and so I think the moratorium serves a purpose to say let's ban it until you know, whatever

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But if that would get challenged and we were to lose at some national level saying, you

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can't ban something, it's illegal to ban them.

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Just like it's illegal.

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That's why you can't do adult entertainment.

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That's why this petition, the argument is, you can't ban something completely.

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Well, whether you ban it for a year or ban it for a day or ban it for ever, I don't know

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that it matters.

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The other petition, which is what we recommend, 6726, is to say, hey, pass them both.

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Now you're protected. You have a moratorium. You can do further work in further research,

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but you also have a backup plan that says, hey, if somebody comes in and challenges that

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moratorium or calls it something other than a data center, you have a definition and you have the

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ability now to challenge to say, hey, okay, it's not banned, but you got to go by the most restrictive

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allowance and the books,

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special permit of the city council.

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I get your point.

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And to me, if we were going to go down that road,

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I would prefer to see refining of the definition of an office building,

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or of anything that's a business use to exclude something that could be labeled as a data center.

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We have another problem to go on on,

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which is called the Frontier Act,

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which congressman is for hand introduced with bipartisan support to essentially preempt all of this

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regulation on a local level and leave it all with the federal government.

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It's another problem.

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But I think that's why 6726 is the most powerful and so let the moratorium be challenged.

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Past the moratorium let it be challenged.

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But there's no I mean the way that adult entertainment was done over 25 years ago has worked.

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You say here, here it is.

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You can have, under special permit of the City Council,

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you can have a data center.

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And if you want to get into an argument

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of what a data center is, I, this one is pretty clean

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and pretty good.

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When you say you want to say expand the definition

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of an office building, you're going to say,

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this is an office building, it's not a data center.

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Well, what is a data center?

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You're going to have to do something to explain

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what a data center is, whether you expand that definition

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of an office building or explicitly define it.

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This one's pretty solid in terms of a definition.

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And what it allows you to do is say, hey, what's work for adult entertainment works

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here.

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And I say, the chances, and I know there was a, when we presented this to the planning board,

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there was a research done tearing this, because that's what Mansfield did.

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And you can do that.

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I think at this stage, there's not a data center size that you're not going to want to have

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special permit of the city council. So I don't know that tearing just makes it more complicated.

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But what's worked for adult entertainment, which is special permit of the city council, is a great backup plan.

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And if moratoriums go by and I agree, I think moratoriums are going to get challenged. I think you're going to get challenged across this country because there's a huge push to compete with China, right? And they're leading AI. I mean, I spent 40 years in a computer business, just retired. AI was the biggest change I've seen in 40 years. And I started on punch cards. It's coming in its huge. So I think you got to be prepared. And I think the backup, if the moratorium is challenged somewhere in this country,

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I think the backup is just straight zoning.

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You came in.

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The definition is it's a data center by our definition and guess what?

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It's allowed by special permit of the city council and it has no shot of passing.

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Okay.

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Actually I saw a counselor Romero who is the second member of the legal affairs.

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So I'm going to go to her first.

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Thank you.

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I just want to get clarification.

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and consular, but the answer just indicated that in the table of uses, if something is not

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defined, it is not permitted. Is that correct? Correct. So I just want to then allude to

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the fact that I think that kind of goes to the heart of the explanation or the reason why

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we have this petition before us. I understand battery storage is also not

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defined yet we have one that was already being erected because the building inspector

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issued a permit so and classified it at under light manufacturing. So given that we

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currently do not have a definition for a data center I think again we can't just

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defer to the powers that be to make to not classify it as something else if it's not

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defined. So I just, you know, that's a concern. But I think also in line with Councillor

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Badanas comment a clear definition I think would be helpful and only because I have yet

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to see if anything that we currently have in the city is already could be could already

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be defined as a data center so for instance if a bank has a room with servers we've heard

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companies like Digital, you know, and they're like, that was a data center, you know, and that was operating

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you know, for years. So I just, I want to be sure, I believe it's important to define a data

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center, but also I think we need to do for the research to ensure that we don't currently have anything

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in our city that could be defined as a data center based on this definition, that would then

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You know, we'd have to then figure out how to allow them to either continue operating,

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grandfather the man.

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I think it gets a little complicated.

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So that's just a concern that I have, and I don't know if we have information on whether

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or not the building inspector or the planning board, or I don't know the powers that

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have a list of potential companies that could fall into this description.

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Okay. So it would be grandfathered and the definition says 25% of their floor space

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to be actual computing space.

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So I think that that would be 25% of the gross floor area dedicated server racks.

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So, they would be grandfathered.

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I agree that further action is indicated,

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but I think as, you know, Councilman Bananasa said,

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it's coming if we don't act on it,

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it will be acted on for us.

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So let me just get clarification.

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So let's just say that, you know,

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and this is me just really trying to better understand

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this and make sure that all bases are covered.

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But so, if a current business is grandfathered in, and they sell it to another company that is operating as a data center, that then stays at that particular date and continue to operate as a data center, and without a special permit because it's grandfathered in, correct?

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I think you're making the case for not passing the moratorium and allowing for a window for a special permit of the city council, because if you want to go to those exceptions, you would have the ability to say, okay, this is a great exception, I'm going to do it. If you ban it, you don't have those exceptions, so I think you're making justifying the case. Having said that, I don't know. My question to all of you, do you feel comfortable going with somebody presenting a project to the building inspector?

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and having the building inspector determine whether this is an office building or data center.

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I mean, if you feel comfortable leaving that up to him,

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because he's going to say, oh, no, this is not defined.

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Therefore, it's not allowed.

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Okay, that's one choice.

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But he could simply call it a use that he thinks qualifies.

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Maybe they have, you know, 50% to start of their lab space to be computers.

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And you say, it's not that big of a lab, so let's let it go.

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and I'll call it an office part.

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That's allowed by writing commercial, right?

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They could put that anywhere.

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And then what happens when they grow it?

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Oh, we're going to make it 50% larger,

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and 50% larger, and 50% larger.

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Then what do you do?

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I think relying on no definition is a risky business.

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Thank you.

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First of all, I want to clarify that there was a definition that is attached to the

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moratorium.

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I did not put a suggestion in from moratorium without a definition.

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And the definition is a facility composed of network computer storage systems and

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computing resources that is used to process store and disseminate large amounts of data.

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and in such a facility as the other principal use or use and stand along capacity.

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I strongly believe that a moratorium is the way to go. I think a new jerk reaction

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which goes to exactly what the counselor from ward 1 is talking about grandfathering or whatever.

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A moratorium gives us the opportunity to look and it does the same thing as a band. It stops everything.

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Nobody can apply. Nobody would be able to come into the community and apply for a permit.

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That stops. We know that happens with a moratorium.

455
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Moratorium gives us the opportunity to look at what we need.

456
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,300
Do we know we want to ban every data center in the city?

457
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,920
We don't know if we have any as the woodwind comes.

458
00:52:30,620 --> 00:52:42,740
We might have a data center, Fitchburg has one, was there has four, there is 61 data centers in Massachusetts right now. How many of us have heard of any of them that have been a problem?

459
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:56,010
So, there are some scale, is there one that has one megawatt or two megawatt, and I'm not a professional on wattage, but do we know that some of our companies aren't using them?

460
00:52:56,010 --> 00:53:02,050
or some of our companies may need them, you've been it and then that says no.

461
00:53:02,590 --> 00:53:07,690
I mean we don't know what we're banning with a moratorium, we have the opportunity to bring

462
00:53:07,690 --> 00:53:13,730
professionals in. We've been at the end of six months if we find out this is something we really

463
00:53:13,730 --> 00:53:20,670
don't want here. Then we bring it back and you've been it. But to ban it with a new jerk reaction

464
00:53:20,670 --> 00:53:26,470
And because that's what everybody wants to do and keep it out of our city, we may not want

465
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:27,010
to do that.

466
00:53:27,130 --> 00:53:32,430
We may be jeopardizing businesses, we may be jeopardizing hospitals, there's a big discussion

467
00:53:32,430 --> 00:53:38,170
about hospitals and AI in the use of, what does it tell them not it and tell them in?

468
00:53:39,310 --> 00:53:43,350
Do we want to take that chance and ban all that and say, you can't do that?

469
00:53:44,070 --> 00:53:45,030
I don't want to do that.

470
00:53:45,090 --> 00:53:48,230
I want to look at it and have an intelligent discussion.

471
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:58,410
And then, if we find out that it's not good for our community, then we say, okay, we've done our research, we have the basis to ban it.

472
00:53:58,550 --> 00:54:00,190
Now we know why we want to ban it.

473
00:54:00,590 --> 00:54:03,010
I don't want to ban something that I don't know anything about.

474
00:54:03,530 --> 00:54:07,170
And how many people in our community use it or if they need it?

475
00:54:07,250 --> 00:54:09,230
That's my point on moratorium.

476
00:54:09,390 --> 00:54:13,790
As far as the adult zoning, that was I put it in in 1999.

477
00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:23,430
I researched that I went everywhere. I took it from an example in the city of Trickapy that was the first one in the in the state to do it

478
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:30,030
And I was working with a council who said we don't want that in our community that they said no and that went to court

479
00:54:30,030 --> 00:54:36,570
And the court came back and said you can't say no, you don't have you just can't do that. It's federally protected

480
00:54:37,070 --> 00:54:42,310
So I took that wood and it's brought back here and it has worked for 25 years and

481
00:54:42,310 --> 00:54:44,170
We did the same thing with salt hours,

482
00:54:44,570 --> 00:54:47,750
where we were at least able to create a fall zone,

483
00:54:47,770 --> 00:54:52,290
and we were able to do it safely,

484
00:54:53,490 --> 00:54:57,810
because salt hours now are, they collapse rather than,

485
00:54:57,810 --> 00:54:59,430
then fall on somebody's property.

486
00:55:00,250 --> 00:55:02,330
They're, and that's, those are protected federally

487
00:55:02,330 --> 00:55:03,470
in the freedom of speech.

488
00:55:04,430 --> 00:55:06,330
So there are a lot of reasons.

489
00:55:07,010 --> 00:55:09,690
There are, how many more historians now do we know?

490
00:55:09,810 --> 00:55:11,230
How many more historians are in the city?

491
00:55:11,230 --> 00:55:15,170
for, sorry, Amy Questle, city solicitor.

492
00:55:15,350 --> 00:55:16,330
I'm sorry if I'm introduced.

493
00:55:16,330 --> 00:55:17,030
That's okay.

494
00:55:17,690 --> 00:55:19,970
For moratorium for data centers,

495
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:23,370
there's one that has been approved by the attorney general.

496
00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:27,270
As you know, towns have to have by laws approved by the attorney general.

497
00:55:27,530 --> 00:55:32,070
So there's one moratorium for data centers that has been approved by the attorney general.

498
00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:35,770
And cities do not have to have authority,

499
00:55:37,290 --> 00:55:39,090
authorization from the attorney general.

500
00:55:39,090 --> 00:55:45,490
to us down to. And if I may, I'm sorry, ma'am president. We are coming up on the fall town meeting

501
00:55:45,490 --> 00:55:51,970
schedule first for towns and there are quite a few more tournaments on it. And I think I think

502
00:55:51,970 --> 00:55:58,970
all these towns and all these cities are looking at, looking at logically and looking at it

503
00:55:58,970 --> 00:56:04,390
professionally and saying, we're going to look at this and we're going to find out what the city needs

504
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:11,450
do we need it? Do our hospitals need it? Do our doctors need it? And it's we're protecting

505
00:56:11,450 --> 00:56:15,910
our community by having a moratorium. I don't think we need to ban it.

506
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:24,710
There's a lot of commonality. I think the purpose here I think we're not too far away from

507
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:31,110
each other. So, but here's my thought. I agree with the council, President, that the moratorium

508
00:56:31,110 --> 00:56:38,150
is absolutely essential, because it's going to protect us in a way that a band will not protect

509
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:44,450
us. A band certainly will do a certain amount of the job, but there's no guarantee

510
00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:49,930
that that band isn't going to be challenged in the court. With the moratorium, we get the extra

511
00:56:49,930 --> 00:56:55,610
protection, at least for a brief period of time, that's really not a saleable. However,

512
00:56:55,610 --> 00:57:06,810
But I see a point, David, if we take the definitional section that we have now, and we agree

513
00:57:06,810 --> 00:57:13,790
on a particular language that thus typifies what a data center is, and say, by the way,

514
00:57:13,950 --> 00:57:16,790
an office building isn't this, okay?

515
00:57:17,150 --> 00:57:18,530
And we don't have to ban it then.

516
00:57:18,750 --> 00:57:19,770
We don't have to ban it.

517
00:57:19,770 --> 00:57:21,150
We don't have to get challenged on a ban.

518
00:57:21,150 --> 00:57:27,450
And then that gives guidance to the building department in terms of processing and the application for a permit.

519
00:57:27,550 --> 00:57:37,640
It's crystal clear that this cannot sneak under some other definition that exists in the ordinance while we have the moratorium in place, which I think makes sense.

520
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:40,840
I would just respond to that, President.

521
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,840
And I agree with that.

522
00:57:43,860 --> 00:57:50,180
And I would, if we did come to that agreement, I would have no issue with the possibility

523
00:57:50,180 --> 00:57:54,800
instead of denying something, give something we need to withdraw with our prejudice.

524
00:57:54,860 --> 00:57:59,260
And then if we find out six months from now that we don't want it in our community,

525
00:57:59,940 --> 00:58:04,300
I would have no issue going back to you and say, Don, you want to re-submit it

526
00:58:04,300 --> 00:58:08,180
because I think that's what we need to do now that we found out all this information.

527
00:58:08,860 --> 00:58:13,840
We know that the way to go and I do believe speaking with the people I spoke to about

528
00:58:14,660 --> 00:58:17,880
moratoriums, they're not doing it because of potential lawsuits.

529
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:23,740
I mean, somebody can say, how can you ban something when you don't know what there is or we

530
00:58:23,740 --> 00:58:29,320
need to do it? So I think that's my position.

531
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:30,240
Okay.

532
00:58:30,860 --> 00:58:31,000
Hang on.

533
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:32,300
Hang on.

534
00:58:32,340 --> 00:58:33,580
Councillor Schell for Zepher.

535
00:58:33,860 --> 00:58:35,980
I saw your hand up a couple of times, so I'm going to go to you next.

536
00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:36,460
It was.

537
00:58:36,540 --> 00:58:37,220
Thank you very much.

538
00:58:37,540 --> 00:58:43,760
I haven't heard anybody talk against a moratorium, so I think no one has said anything

539
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:44,820
negative about a moratorium.

540
00:58:45,460 --> 00:58:52,440
And I think, you know, this is about putting no across, you know, every single zoning category.

541
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:57,900
However, the other petition that's been referred to, you know, includes the detailed definition,

542
00:58:57,900 --> 00:59:04,580
But also has the opportunity for a company that wanted to build one of these things to come

543
00:59:04,580 --> 00:59:07,180
for the City Council for a special permit in the industrial zone.

544
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:08,520
So that's not a ban.

545
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:09,520
It's an opportunity.

546
00:59:09,780 --> 00:59:14,480
You talk about wanting to learn about what these things are, how they would impact the community,

547
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:15,600
where they want to be located.

548
00:59:16,260 --> 00:59:17,900
Well, let's give people that opportunity.

549
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,500
Come down to the City Council, find a piece of industrial property.

550
00:59:20,980 --> 00:59:23,780
If they want to build a community council for a special permit.

551
00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:26,640
So a more mature, I think a more mature means a good idea.

552
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:37,680
I also think that having a detailed definition of thing, I like about this, is because we don't know if there are any businesses operating like a data center and lemon star.

553
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:46,140
However, if they've got 10 or 15 percent of their floor space, now, you know, designated to this kind of operation.

554
00:59:46,140 --> 00:59:53,580
If they want to expand that, according to this definition, they'd have to come and before the planning board, once this was in place,

555
00:59:53,580 --> 00:59:59,920
and ask for some kind of permission to expand it because they would no longer be in.

556
01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:29,740
In compliance with the zoning ordinance. So I think this does a couple of things. It does a few things. I think it's a very good detailed definition already, you know, passed in Mansfield. And it also includes some quantitative information that we could utilize that some, the planning board could utilize to say, hey, you're operating like that now. Nobody know because if we didn't have anything on the books, it was operating as an office building. They want to expand, you know, their footprint, they want to expand, their capacity.

557
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:37,220
That's okay, but you have to come before a board like the planning board in order to do that if they want to go beyond twenty-five percent

558
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,300
And then if somebody wants to come in and build a brand new one

559
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:46,580
We're not saying that they can't we're saying come down to the city council and let's have a conversation about it

560
01:00:46,580 --> 01:00:49,960
Let's see what you're proposing and then we can is a city council

561
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:56,260
You know approve or not a special permit depending on what they're authorizing this makes perfect sense to me and

562
01:00:56,260 --> 01:00:59,800
And having the moratorium, I agree, is a very good thing.

563
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,780
But I think the next petition, not necessarily this one, was no across the board.

564
01:01:04,340 --> 01:01:07,700
But the other one that was raised, I think, makes a lot of sense.

565
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:16,000
It protects us in a bunch of ways, but also provides the capacity and the flexibility to

566
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,800
have that kind of conversation with the business coming into town.

567
01:01:19,660 --> 01:01:21,480
So I think both are really good.

568
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:22,040
Thank you.

569
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,460
Okay, just a second. Mr. Rowland, I'm sorry. I cut you off a couple of times.

570
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:31,200
No, I'm just, I'm a little bit confused. This group put forth two

571
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:37,180
petitions and explain it all in detail to the planning board. And the thing is, here's two

572
01:01:37,180 --> 01:01:42,500
choices. One, you ban it and one, you don't. One, just the highest, most restrictive and one,

573
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:47,460
you don't. And they said, which one do you think Ford? Let the city council ask

574
01:01:47,460 --> 01:01:51,040
to help them in a page, whether banning it is a good option.

575
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:52,360
And it sounds like it's not.

576
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,940
So the general feeling is that one give leave to withdrawal.

577
01:01:57,420 --> 01:01:59,920
The other one does not ban it.

578
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,660
It gives you a say as we go through.

579
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,320
And I'm sure, in the next 10 years, there's

580
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,640
going to be massive amounts of legislation

581
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,080
around data centers in AI centers.

582
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,540
There's going to be a massive amount.

583
01:02:13,780 --> 01:02:14,140
It's going to change.

584
01:02:14,420 --> 01:02:15,720
It gives you the option.

585
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,840
So the recommendation based on this conversation

586
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,840
from this group is give this one leave to withdraw,

587
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:25,280
but support the one that doesn't ban it,

588
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,740
but has the most highly restrictive clause

589
01:02:28,740 --> 01:02:30,740
of special permit of the city council.

590
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:35,080
And I would argue the point raised by the word,

591
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,160
one consular based on the definition that exists

592
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,980
for the moratorium, that there's more places in limister,

593
01:02:41,980 --> 01:02:47,060
that may qualify under that definition as being data centers,

594
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,900
then the one that's provided under this petition.

595
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,620
That wording, I mean, wasn't on the agenda,

596
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:54,940
so I didn't get to see it in detail.

597
01:02:55,100 --> 01:02:56,980
So I heard it here for the first time,

598
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:02,940
is, in my view, less well defined in terms of size

599
01:03:02,940 --> 01:03:04,080
and percentage of scope.

600
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,160
And I think there's going to be more businesses

601
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,920
that are going to be affected by the moratorium.

602
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:10,680
And the moratorium is a ban.

603
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:18,280
And yes, it's a time ban for a year, but I think, and I'm fine with that, they're not

604
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:18,860
at odds.

605
01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:25,880
But I do think leaving a window open on the most restrictive special permit of the City Council

606
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:33,240
along with the definition that I think is a little clearer and puts more guidelines in,

607
01:03:33,540 --> 01:03:38,760
gives you the better opportunity to say, hey, there may be a good cause to come through that

608
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,080
that we want to allow, that's just my feeling.

609
01:03:42,700 --> 01:03:43,460
Okay, Council of the Dances.

610
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,820
The flying the white man is what is your special criteria,

611
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:48,560
which is special permit criteria?

612
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,000
So that's the whole purpose in the moratorium,

613
01:03:51,260 --> 01:03:54,020
is the development, special permit criteria.

614
01:03:55,020 --> 01:03:58,960
This thing, if we pass this thing with a special permit,

615
01:03:58,980 --> 01:04:01,700
name your body, city council, planning board,

616
01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:03,320
what are they going to rely on for criteria?

617
01:04:04,020 --> 01:04:06,600
I mean, and that is a nightmare in a courthouse

618
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:12,820
because if this thing somebody comes in and applies for a special permit and we turn them down

619
01:04:12,820 --> 01:04:18,300
for whatever reason and this thing ends up in court, that's the first thing the judge is going to want to know is what's the criteria?

620
01:04:19,140 --> 01:04:25,480
And there is no criteria, that's the problem. And we're not qualified at this juncture to set the criteria.

621
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:34,480
That's the whole reason for the moratorium. So I think the way to proceed with this is use your language to make sure that

622
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:41,020
what speaks in here, under some other kind of definition, pass the moratorium, get experts

623
01:04:41,020 --> 01:04:47,460
involved that can give us an idea of what we can live with for criteria, what we can't.

624
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:54,600
And then model an ordinance after those particular items that those criteria that we haven't

625
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:55,240
yet developed.

626
01:04:55,240 --> 01:05:01,220
to be clear, leave to withdraw on 64-26.

627
01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:08,240
If you can use me for a second, just for a second.

628
01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:14,420
Madam President, I just want to clarify with you, and we've already done it.

629
01:05:14,740 --> 01:05:20,300
So we've basically opened 64-26 and 67-27-26.

630
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,920
So just officially I want to put it on the record.

631
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:29,660
We're discussing both, just so that we've now opened a bit, we can speak freely on both, please.

632
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:31,040
So thank you for that.

633
01:05:32,380 --> 01:05:36,380
The idea was behind, so we are in agreement.

634
01:05:36,780 --> 01:05:37,940
These can coexist.

635
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:46,180
They were also filed essentially concurrently, meaning the moratorium and the definition they're of,

636
01:05:46,180 --> 01:05:50,580
And 67-26 were filed concurrent.

637
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:52,900
They both came in at the same time.

638
01:05:53,260 --> 01:05:56,300
The citizens want a definition, at least on the books.

639
01:05:56,660 --> 01:05:58,660
We at least wanted a definition on the books.

640
01:05:58,940 --> 01:06:00,760
I hear you with your definition.

641
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,940
I do agree that the moratorium is indicated.

642
01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:09,800
But I do also think that in the language of the definition that is within the moratorium,

643
01:06:09,980 --> 01:06:11,580
it says things like large data.

644
01:06:11,940 --> 01:06:14,080
And I am concerned that it doesn't define that.

645
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:15,760
And I don't think that that is as defensible.

646
01:06:16,020 --> 01:06:23,780
I agree with you that the language of 6726 should it be passed simply says this is Lemonster's

647
01:06:23,780 --> 01:06:28,660
definition of this and also, by the way, then there's room for the moratorium.

648
01:06:29,140 --> 01:06:32,520
Madam Chair, the attorney has something that she wants to offer.

649
01:06:33,140 --> 01:06:33,480
Thank you.

650
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:34,720
Thank you.

651
01:06:34,820 --> 01:06:36,720
Again, Amy Quetzal City, so is it her?

652
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:38,440
So 64.

653
01:06:38,860 --> 01:06:39,700
Am I on?

654
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:40,280
Yep.

655
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:51,800
So, 64, 26 was advertised as, it says, respectfully request to modify Section 22-4, definitions

656
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,980
of the Lemmester Zoning, ordinance by adding the following definition of data center.

657
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:02,180
And then there's no definition and there's no indication that there's all ends across.

658
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:02,940
Yes.

659
01:07:02,940 --> 01:07:05,480
That's confusing and that's not how the petition was filed.

660
01:07:05,660 --> 01:07:09,560
They were, I filed, identically, they were discussed in the planning board and I believe

661
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,980
planning board record was different. I could be wrong on that, but there was a long meeting,

662
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:18,120
I'm sure most of you seen it. There was a long meeting with a planning board, where it was

663
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:24,180
discussed, and I believe they had both in full form. This is confusing to us, and there are

664
01:07:24,180 --> 01:07:29,980
know there was to say that, but the way they were filed and the way they were.

665
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:37,020
We're presented was two separate, 64, 67, same definition, different table of entry uses.

666
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,960
The advertising doesn't show that way or this agenda doesn't show that way.

667
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:45,880
But I thought it was part of shortness because the long agenda.

668
01:07:46,060 --> 01:07:49,380
Just like you don't see the definition for the moratorium.

669
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:51,940
There's no definition in that either.

670
01:07:52,860 --> 01:08:00,640
So, I, if, I guess, the way to cure this, that we, if they are going to withdraw,

671
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:04,320
64, 26, that we cure this.

672
01:08:05,420 --> 01:08:07,760
Because, you know, there's no, there wouldn't be a doubt.

673
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:11,540
We should also, if I may, certainly, Madam Chair,

674
01:08:11,540 --> 01:08:20,060
And in 67-26, I understand that this was taken from Mansfield's bylaw.

675
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:25,560
It's not exactly Mansfield's bylaw because it's only the beginning of Mansfield's bylaw.

676
01:08:25,780 --> 01:08:35,640
Mansfield's bylaw goes on to define tier 1, tier 2, and tier 3 data centers, but also the last sentence of this purposes of this bylaw.

677
01:08:35,780 --> 01:08:39,480
It has to change to ordinance, which, again, not.

678
01:08:45,020 --> 01:08:52,300
The decision in presenting this on the tearing was to leave the tearing out for simplicity.

679
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,580
So, it's what we were in the beginning.

680
01:08:57,380 --> 01:08:57,560
Okay.

681
01:08:58,220 --> 01:09:00,740
No, this is different than this.

682
01:09:00,980 --> 01:09:03,180
Through one with the special element of the city council.

683
01:09:03,180 --> 01:09:03,580
Yeah.

684
01:09:03,820 --> 01:09:05,140
67, 26.

685
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:08,260
Yep.

686
01:09:08,440 --> 01:09:09,740
That's 67, 26.

687
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:10,280
Okay.

688
01:09:10,820 --> 01:09:11,000
64.

689
01:09:11,540 --> 01:09:13,960
And that has the council across all of it.

690
01:09:14,180 --> 01:09:14,300
Yes.

691
01:09:15,380 --> 01:09:15,860
Okay.

692
01:09:17,420 --> 01:09:17,820
I don't know.

693
01:09:18,020 --> 01:09:18,440
I don't know.

694
01:09:18,440 --> 01:09:19,740
And where were you from?

695
01:09:19,820 --> 01:09:20,880
Is that just in your package?

696
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:21,960
This was just in the package.

697
01:09:22,300 --> 01:09:24,020
That was given to all of all.

698
01:09:26,580 --> 01:09:35,720
So the question is, the general feeling is that 64-26 should be given with withdraw and the

699
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:43,880
discussion that this group would go would be 67-26 be the one that supported, right, based

700
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,100
on the discussion here and what not.

701
01:09:46,340 --> 01:09:50,980
The question is, the group can't, I mean, they can ask for leave the withdrawal, but you

702
01:09:50,980 --> 01:09:56,020
on that, right? You all know the right to give it leave to withdraw.

703
01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:04,500
And I don't know if the fact that the advertising of this is not accurate of the representation

704
01:10:04,500 --> 01:10:10,340
of the original petition, if that cause a problem for you to give it leave to withdraw

705
01:10:10,340 --> 01:10:17,580
at this point. But I think in general, the group feels that 6726 is the one that they would

706
01:10:17,580 --> 01:10:23,200
support. The idea in the beginning was to give you both and let the city council get legal advice and choose the one that you want.

707
01:10:23,820 --> 01:10:25,220
That was the original idea.

708
01:10:25,820 --> 01:10:32,280
And do you think the planning board had that same day didn't really put a lot of emphasis on either.

709
01:10:32,740 --> 01:10:36,880
They knew that there were more historians and they were sending it to the city council.

710
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:37,420
Right.

711
01:10:37,540 --> 01:10:39,140
But discussion to take place here.

712
01:10:39,620 --> 01:10:42,980
And we presented that to them because they asked us which one we said.

713
01:10:42,980 --> 01:10:48,680
It's a suggestion, but give both support and let the city council ask questions of whether

714
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:50,680
an across the board makes any sense.

715
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:55,660
That was the discussion they said, yeah, okay, we'll do that and let you guys decide whether

716
01:10:55,660 --> 01:11:01,020
an is there and it sounds like an across the board for several reasons doesn't have the support.

717
01:11:01,820 --> 01:11:12,260
We still feel that 67-27 has validity, right, in terms of which we talked about.

718
01:11:12,260 --> 01:11:15,060
So we're not asking for that one to be given live to withdraw.

719
01:11:15,480 --> 01:11:22,540
My only question now is can you give 60 the first one leave to withdraw be based on the problem with the advertising?

720
01:11:23,580 --> 01:11:25,360
Well, in my opinion, yes.

721
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:25,960
Okay.

722
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:26,600
Okay.

723
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,200
We can. Oh, we could deny it.

724
01:11:28,260 --> 01:11:30,380
I'm trying to avoid that suggestion.

725
01:11:30,460 --> 01:11:34,060
Yeah, I would think that's the worst case because then you get into this two year ban.

726
01:11:34,780 --> 01:11:37,480
Uh, not yes or no.

727
01:11:37,860 --> 01:11:38,800
You may start to ban.

728
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:39,780
It's a lot of steps.

729
01:11:39,780 --> 01:11:40,400
I know.

730
01:11:40,580 --> 01:11:40,780
I know.

731
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:45,380
All right, just because it sounds like we're coming to some one of the compromise here,

732
01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:46,640
I just want to clarify.

733
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:58,800
So Attorney Questle, just to clarify, Madam President, I'm sorry, we could give 64-26

734
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:03,820
leave to withdraw this evening, despite the, that there may be an issue in public case.

735
01:12:03,980 --> 01:12:09,340
So that could be given leave to withdraw, that would leave us on 67-26.

736
01:12:09,340 --> 01:12:16,300
And it sounds like we're coming around to some sort of a, well, we're going to get to that a little bit more.

737
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:21,220
But let's, I just want to, so we're all on the same page here, trying to keep track myself.

738
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:23,320
I turned up a dance I saw that you had.

739
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:30,280
No, my point was, you know, I just think, what my concern or reiterated was,

740
01:12:30,620 --> 01:12:35,520
we don't have criteria in place to deal with a special permit at this point.

741
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,440
And that's the whole point in the moratorium as developed as special criteria.

742
01:12:40,260 --> 01:12:46,200
I think the point of I missed a Rollins about, you know, processing building permit applications

743
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:50,920
for things that could in fact be a data center is something that does worry me.

744
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:52,300
I'm concerned about that.

745
01:12:52,660 --> 01:12:58,920
So I think maybe taking the language that it isn't 67 and saying, by the way, we're not saying

746
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:03,240
that it's prohibited, but we're saying this isn't a office building.

747
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,340
This is not included in what an office building is.

748
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:09,560
Which would give us the safety net with the building department.

749
01:13:09,740 --> 01:13:16,540
While we discover, through the moratorium, what we should adopt for special permit criteria

750
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:22,060
if we do in fact pass a comprehensive ordinance on this subject.

751
01:13:22,460 --> 01:13:26,300
So assuming the federal government doesn't all tell us that you know what to do with it.

752
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:27,760
Before that.

753
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,800
Councillor, can I have any Councillor or Mayor?

754
01:13:31,780 --> 01:13:41,980
So, I just want to clarify here, so the petitions that we have before us, clearly obviously

755
01:13:41,980 --> 01:13:46,400
we have the public hearing schedules, we don't, we have not had a public hearing on the

756
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:52,060
moratorium, we have not done anything related to the public excuse me to the moratorium

757
01:13:52,060 --> 01:13:52,660
at this point.

758
01:13:52,740 --> 01:13:56,780
I think even the planning board has to come back and they haven't even made a decision on

759
01:13:56,780 --> 01:13:57,180
it.

760
01:13:57,180 --> 01:14:07,000
So to continue to utilize that and say we'll just pass a moratorium we haven't even had public input

761
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:13,180
We haven't even had a conversation. We don't even know if we have the support yet, but we do have a petition before us

762
01:14:13,180 --> 01:14:18,980
So my question is if we pass 6726 and

763
01:14:20,020 --> 01:14:24,160
With a more defined definition for instance as you said with man's field

764
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,720
they actually have tier 1, 2, 3, 2, and 3 are banned.

765
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,320
Those are the larger data centers that most people are concerned with.

766
01:14:31,580 --> 01:14:35,660
One of the smaller data centers, but it requires special permit by the City Council if we

767
01:14:35,660 --> 01:14:43,340
would have taken that route and passed this, can we then, you know, when we take up the

768
01:14:43,340 --> 01:14:48,560
moratorium, if the moratorium is passed, that still kind of applies to this petition and

769
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,780
perhaps the City solicitor can clarify that.

770
01:14:51,780 --> 01:14:59,420
I also just want to clarify with you as well, as well, is you've indicated.

771
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:12,740
That the attorney general has to approve a by-law. I just want to confirm, would she, if we were to pass the moratorium. Does she also have to do that for a city, because we're a city, I don't know, I don't know.

772
01:15:12,740 --> 01:15:14,040
We have the power here.

773
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:15,280
No, I'm just saying that.

774
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:23,540
I was using it as an example that it's already then determined by an agency, not a court, an agency that it's allowed.

775
01:15:23,540 --> 01:15:31,320
That was just it was just a okay you an example that yes a moratorium has passed that is a lot the attorney general has determined

776
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:36,720
It's allowed again attorney general is not the courts. Yeah, and then just again just getting back to the question

777
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,280
We would have passed 6726 special permit

778
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:44,240
Maybe some additional defining language and then

779
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:51,780
You know, we're proceeding. I don't know when we have the public hearing whatever the case at September at some point the 14's the planning board

780
01:15:51,780 --> 01:15:54,140
So has to hear it as well.

781
01:15:54,540 --> 01:15:57,220
Depending on the outcome of that, let's say it is favorable.

782
01:15:58,720 --> 01:15:59,760
We pass a moratorium.

783
01:16:00,820 --> 01:16:04,180
Does it then just apply to this?

784
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:05,300
Can we have both?

785
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,420
Can we have put this on the record

786
01:16:07,420 --> 01:16:10,000
until the moratorium comes before us?

787
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:11,580
And we make a decision.

788
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:14,860
I'm just, I'm sorry, I'm trying to just get clarification.

789
01:16:15,540 --> 01:16:20,120
So that is a bit of a procedural conundrum.

790
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:45,520
So if you're going to enact an ordinance tonight, that has to do with data centers, and then in two weeks you're going to enact a moratorium on data centers, then what you did tonight has no effect because there's there's going to be a moratorium in effect, and then the purpose of the moratorium is to come up with a really good definition.

791
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,960
And I agree with all of you, you're concerned about definitions.

792
01:16:50,140 --> 01:16:53,480
So the purpose of a moratorium would be to come up with a really good moratorium.

793
01:16:53,900 --> 01:16:59,440
To come up with exactly what type of data center you want to ban and which ones you want to allow.

794
01:16:59,500 --> 01:17:05,020
So for example, like Tier 1, maybe, but associated with hospitals, something like that.

795
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:15,200
So after the six month moratorium, you're going to have to, you're going to come up with a new ordinance with regard to data centers.

796
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:21,300
So there's no use in the one that you're contemplated.

797
01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:25,440
You're contemplating because for six months it's not going to be an effect because the

798
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:27,340
moratorium will supersede it.

799
01:17:27,620 --> 01:17:32,100
And then after six months you're most likely going to have a more comprehensive, so there's

800
01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:33,200
no, there's no.

801
01:17:33,540 --> 01:17:39,980
But you're making and I just want to get back to what the assumption is that the moratorium

802
01:17:39,980 --> 01:17:40,720
will pass.

803
01:17:40,940 --> 01:17:41,480
I think there is.

804
01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:42,100
That's a nice point.

805
01:17:42,260 --> 01:17:43,040
But we don't.

806
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,900
That's easy, you just for the time, 67,

807
01:17:46,820 --> 01:17:51,180
the petition, 67-26 until it comes up and it's

808
01:17:51,180 --> 01:17:52,320
with the word alignment the more to our end.

809
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:58,280
OK, so a couple of points here, first of all,

810
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:00,520
the more torrents temporary.

811
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:02,980
So you need zoning, so no, no, no, no, no.

812
01:18:03,100 --> 01:18:06,240
And whether the order is somewhere before that more

813
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,800
torrenting expiring, you're going to have to have a definition.

814
01:18:09,820 --> 01:18:11,520
So whether you put one in not thin, by the way,

815
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,300
We know that zoning is dynamic.

816
01:18:14,940 --> 01:18:19,640
We watched MU2 go from where it is to a gigantic project

817
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:20,900
where the zoning was changed.

818
01:18:21,380 --> 01:18:23,560
So there's nothing to prevent you from saying,

819
01:18:23,940 --> 01:18:25,520
here is the definition now.

820
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,140
Yes, the moratorium pass, it takes precedent.

821
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:29,600
We can modify it.

822
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,780
But what happens if a moratorium gets challenged and loses?

823
01:18:33,420 --> 01:18:34,140
Then where are you?

824
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,160
You have no definition you're playing.

825
01:18:36,380 --> 01:18:38,340
So I don't know that the order matters

826
01:18:38,340 --> 01:18:40,600
that you pass a petition now

827
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:47,540
that puts an ordinance on the books, and you oversee it temporarily with a moratorium. So what?

828
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:53,200
So what? So it is important to just remember that your zoning ordinance is a permissive,

829
01:18:53,200 --> 01:19:09,420
it's called a permissive zoning ordinance, which means that it has to be explicitly stated on the

830
01:19:11,260 --> 01:19:16,180
I'm just going to ask that we just not speak over each other.

831
01:19:16,460 --> 01:19:18,240
Councillor Noseworthy, thank you for your patience.

832
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:19,140
You have the floor.

833
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:20,100
Thank you.

834
01:19:20,220 --> 01:19:23,420
I am a bit frustrated because I put up my hand about six times.

835
01:19:23,820 --> 01:19:25,240
I'm trying to be calling you.

836
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,560
I'm trying to, I apologize.

837
01:19:27,780 --> 01:19:28,620
I don't always see you.

838
01:19:29,620 --> 01:19:32,160
So you have the floor, please use it.

839
01:19:33,180 --> 01:19:39,300
I guess one of the things I want to say is that I believe that AI data

840
01:19:39,300 --> 01:19:43,860
centers. Yes, there are other kinds of data centers. AI data centers are very different

841
01:19:43,860 --> 01:19:49,260
animal, as was said by one of the petitioners that anything we've ever seen before. They

842
01:19:49,260 --> 01:19:55,280
don't play nice and they have more money than we could possibly imagine. So I want to proceed

843
01:19:56,380 --> 01:20:02,620
with an a very conservative manner because I don't think I'm not talking about smaller business

844
01:20:02,620 --> 01:20:08,920
centers who might have some computers and have or hospitals who have like an AI component.

845
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:16,260
I'm talking about, I'm sorry, a data center component have the same as AI data centers.

846
01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:20,640
It's a very different animal, and I don't think it's something that we've ever seen before,

847
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:22,880
even with all the cumulative experience.

848
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:31,340
I have a letter, you let me know when is appropriate, madam chair, that two of my constituents

849
01:20:31,340 --> 01:20:36,220
asked if I would read into the record, so I can wait to do that whenever it's appropriate,

850
01:20:36,220 --> 01:20:41,520
but I keep putting my hand up and I don't want to have that get lost in the conversation. Thank you.

851
01:20:41,820 --> 01:20:46,120
We are. We have a number of letters. We have a number of letters.

852
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,900
That's going to take part little as they come up right now.

853
01:20:51,020 --> 01:20:58,960
We have an active public hearing and we're going to continue to do that with the people that are here.

854
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:03,800
Okay. Any other members of the council have any comments concerns at this point?

855
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:10,400
I just wanted to run by, because the way I understood it, I just want to make sure I'm correct.

856
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:21,100
The fact that there are agenda items for a moratorium or banning or whatever it is,

857
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:26,900
the fact that it's on here essentially stops anybody from applying for anything.

858
01:21:27,460 --> 01:21:32,660
correct on that? No, not not. Not pursuant to the new changes to 48

859
01:21:32,660 --> 01:21:37,400
section 6. Okay, but used to be just like correct. It used to be that way. Okay.

860
01:21:38,420 --> 01:21:42,240
Councillor Bidianza? I just picking up off what the city's listed on the

861
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:47,540
key about where a premise of use. I think it's a win-win. We're protected, you know,

862
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:51,380
and I like I said, I take your point. We can fix that. We can put some belts

863
01:21:51,380 --> 01:21:56,680
and suspend us on what's existing now in the table of uses. And I don't

864
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:58,700
that offends anything if we do that, right?

865
01:21:59,420 --> 01:22:00,680
And so we have what's the win-win?

866
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,920
We have protected there, and we have the time to study

867
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,760
under the moratorium to get a real tight definition

868
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:08,480
that everybody can live with.

869
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,360
And like I said, this just helped the federal government

870
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,920
with the Frontier Act, doesn't make it all irrelevant.

871
01:22:15,860 --> 01:22:17,360
Any other members of the council?

872
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:21,120
Any other members of the public that would like to address

873
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:25,420
64-26, and I'm going to say 67-26, since we've

874
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,660
for a second time is there any other

875
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:46,600
I'm sorry, council shall falls off or? Right, through the chair, both through the chair. The constituent that the word five council was referencing also emailed me. And they couldn't be here this evening. They would have been here for the public forum. I mean for the public hearing to speak. So I think it's very important to get there.

876
01:22:46,740 --> 01:22:49,440
I have those emails and I'll be reading them in. Thank you.

877
01:22:49,580 --> 01:22:50,660
Good. Thank you.

878
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:52,080
Okay.

879
01:22:53,260 --> 01:22:54,900
Hey, I'll calibrate 800 average straight.

880
01:22:55,500 --> 01:22:57,960
I would just say, what's the Voltaire quote?

881
01:22:58,940 --> 01:23:00,300
Perfections, the enemy of good.

882
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,580
We can sit here and debate things over and over and try to get it.

883
01:23:04,580 --> 01:23:06,360
Perfect imperfect. They move quick.

884
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,380
You got deep pockets. They're going to be moving quick.

885
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,060
Put it on the books. The beautiful thing about zoning.

886
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:13,340
It's transparent.

887
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:14,600
It's public.

888
01:23:15,260 --> 01:23:19,580
If some business needs it amended, they can come put a petition through.

889
01:23:19,580 --> 01:23:25,260
make their case and we can we can change it and the public hears every second of that.

890
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:32,320
I love the moratorium. I do both, do it all. Like who knows what they're going to throw at you,

891
01:23:32,580 --> 01:23:38,760
what court, you know, legally is they're going to try to skirt away with, but at least when it's

892
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:45,880
zoning, it's on the books, it's public. No one can say, well you did this, you didn't do this,

893
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:50,820
It's all out in the open, and I think that's really, really important.

894
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:52,700
Thank you, Ms. Brady.

895
01:23:53,340 --> 01:23:53,900
Counselor.

896
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:55,200
Arden Jerk.

897
01:23:55,300 --> 01:23:57,680
I'm sorry, but it's a long time.

898
01:23:59,480 --> 01:24:02,940
As we saw it with a battery source system, which is mentioned earlier,

899
01:24:03,540 --> 01:24:06,760
that's stuck in through the building inspector, the building department.

900
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:22,380
And I have consurgents as Mr. Wallace, you know, mentioned that maybe that could come again, something like that, you know, that I think I was called a solar system and doing a battery storage system.

901
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:24,580
That was 2020 when that happened.

902
01:24:25,460 --> 01:24:25,860
Okay.

903
01:24:26,060 --> 01:24:28,060
I want to lose fact of time.

904
01:24:28,060 --> 01:24:32,760
Anyway, y'all, I think my Council of Badeans' suggestion is correct.

905
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:39,440
Isn't it, if we, what do we do with 64 or 67, 26, that we have to look at and

906
01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:45,920
redefine the office in our bylaws by zoning ordinances at the same time, because we still

907
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:47,540
need about a door over here.

908
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:52,000
It's a way of getting in through the back door, you know, that's it, just my concerns are

909
01:24:56,240 --> 01:25:00,840
I'm going to ask you, I've been saying mallet, that's okay, it's mallet, it's mallet,

910
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:01,220
mallet.

911
01:25:01,620 --> 01:25:02,600
Okay, mallet, I'm sorry.

912
01:25:02,940 --> 01:25:04,660
I'll answer to most, I'll answer to them.

913
01:25:04,660 --> 01:25:11,500
No, and I meant to ask you the way in the beginning, it's just, okay, so to be Crystal Clear

914
01:25:11,500 --> 01:25:17,940
Councilman Arnger, the last sentence of this definition specifically says, if you were to pass

915
01:25:17,940 --> 01:25:25,300
67-26 for purposes of this ordinance, a data center shall not be considered an office use.

916
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,640
So it does achieve the objectives that we're all speaking of.

917
01:25:29,820 --> 01:25:31,520
It protects the city now.

918
01:25:32,020 --> 01:25:38,620
In the event that a moratorium isn't enacted, it doesn't pass for some reason.

919
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:39,780
You have this.

920
01:25:40,020 --> 01:25:40,960
You have this.

921
01:25:41,340 --> 01:25:43,020
It's not ever going to be perfect.

922
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:47,160
I don't agree with putting all of the different layers, but for right now, it does.

923
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:56,400
give you the clear definition to empower this council, to be able to define and pause.

924
01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:00,020
And then that could be instituted as well as part of the moratorium.

925
01:26:00,380 --> 01:26:03,900
So I do believe that both were designed to, they came in at the same time.

926
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:11,940
I think that the council, not a president and our citizens cared and both want the same objective.

927
01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:13,800
We're asking for both.

928
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:21,960
I agree, and I use office building as an example, but as I said, the battery storage system

929
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:24,080
was passed as a solar system.

930
01:26:24,380 --> 01:26:24,420
Right.

931
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,540
That's why we use that language in here.

932
01:26:27,820 --> 01:26:34,520
Yeah, but can there, is there a possibility that if we don't specifically outline some of

933
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:41,480
this stuff, that the building inspector may come up with another unique definition of battery

934
01:26:41,480 --> 01:26:48,440
It's a matter of, I pray, data center, it's part of part of me.

935
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,580
So I think that this, what this defines is instead of just saying,

936
01:26:53,140 --> 01:26:57,760
large data processing, it says 25%.

937
01:26:58,220 --> 01:27:00,040
It was designed to be specific.

938
01:27:00,740 --> 01:27:04,340
I think there's a lot of room for discussion, and I think the more

939
01:27:04,340 --> 01:27:08,800
the joy of this is the way to go into my personal opinion for both of them.

940
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:13,520
And I think we really and truly need to get a lot of history and to study these questions.

941
01:27:14,220 --> 01:27:14,520
Oh, yeah.

942
01:27:15,020 --> 01:27:18,200
Every one that has a cell phone is depending upon a data center.

943
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:22,020
And there's a, well, cats 22 with a data centers.

944
01:27:22,540 --> 01:27:25,280
We need them, but where is the location appropriate?

945
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:32,240
And for my perspective, I don't see any place in the limister that could be an appropriate location for a data center.

946
01:27:32,260 --> 01:27:34,400
That's just my humble opinion.

947
01:27:38,620 --> 01:27:56,360
We're coming up on having to open the full meeting here shortly, but I do want to, before we turn it back, I'll see the public into the council as well as I do have an email from Clariss and Clariss and Dan Yomel.

948
01:27:56,360 --> 01:28:01,140
You, ma'am, you, ma'am of Linda Lav and Lemister, it's dated 21 August of 26,

949
01:28:01,380 --> 01:28:02,600
Derek Council members.

950
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:06,720
This letter is in support of petition to band data centers and Lemister submitted by

951
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:07,960
Donna, which is scheduled.

952
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:08,960
Donna Molliday.

953
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,460
I was going to say, now you're skipping it all together.

954
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:13,040
It was not intentional.

955
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:13,720
I caught myself.

956
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:18,340
We're just scheduled on the City Council agenda on Monday, the 24th of August,

957
01:28:18,380 --> 01:28:19,240
it's 625.

958
01:28:19,340 --> 01:28:22,900
Unfortunately, due to a prior work commitments, they are unable to attend.

959
01:28:22,900 --> 01:28:26,560
But we request that this is red and put into the public record at the meeting.

960
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,640
We are in support of the ban on data centers in limister mass.

961
01:28:30,060 --> 01:28:32,080
Our key concerns are the following.

962
01:28:32,420 --> 01:28:35,280
In compatible land use, while limister is a mixed use community.

963
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:40,480
These sorts of industrial mega structures are not in keeping with the tenor and city and risk

964
01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:42,800
permanent negative changes to its character.

965
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:47,560
High energy and water use data centers use massive amounts of power and water.

966
01:28:47,780 --> 01:28:52,260
The strain can drive up local utility bills for residents and stretch our public resources

967
01:28:52,260 --> 01:28:56,680
during peak demand and drought, we are still in the long-term drought, and already experienced

968
01:28:56,680 --> 01:29:01,060
city mandated watering bands every summer, these facilities will only exacerbate the

969
01:29:01,060 --> 01:29:05,840
strain on the precious natural resources limister is blessed to have. Noise and environmental

970
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:11,140
impact, this continuous cooling fan and diesel generator noise is extraordinary. This will

971
01:29:11,140 --> 01:29:15,340
lower property values for butters and surrounding neighborhoods alike. Heavy construction

972
01:29:15,340 --> 01:29:19,960
traffic will disrupt our already strained infrastructure. We seek to protect the people in our

973
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:24,320
community as well as wildlife who would both bear the brunt of the negative impacts.

974
01:29:24,860 --> 01:29:29,100
Few local jobs, these facilities create very few permanent jobs after construction is completed.

975
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:34,520
Our community would bear the long-term negative effects without the benefit of significant economic return.

976
01:29:35,180 --> 01:29:38,220
We respectfully ask the City Council to take the following steps.

977
01:29:38,820 --> 01:29:42,680
One, an act of ban on any and all data centers within the borders of Lemister 2,

978
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:48,480
deny all current and future permits and zoning approvals requested for any data center project.

979
01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:55,700
three require full independent environmental and infrastructure impact studies before considering any similar projects in the future.

980
01:29:56,220 --> 01:29:59,980
While we respect the thought behind the petition for a moratorium on data centers and limps.

981
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,800
The Minister is proposed by Councillor Frida, but our preference is to encourage the council to pass a ban on the data centers in limister outright. Thank you for your time.

982
01:30:08,300 --> 01:30:15,520
Your public service and your dedication to protecting the residents and resources of our beloved city, sincerely, Clarice and Dan.

983
01:30:17,020 --> 01:30:20,100
Madam Chair, I am really impressed. That's exactly 7 o'clock.

984
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:24,280
Planned the whole thing.

985
01:30:24,700 --> 01:30:30,360
The meeting of the Alumni Society Council for August 24th, 2026 is now in

986
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:30,700
session.

987
01:30:31,100 --> 01:30:33,100
Please join me in a salute to our flag.

988
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:38,920
We're going to introduce to you the flag of the United States of America and

989
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:40,940
do a Republic for which stands.

990
01:30:41,140 --> 01:30:45,680
We're going to need an individual liberty and justice for all.

991
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:56,480
We're now going to do a wrong call of counsel and an attendant.

992
01:30:56,480 --> 01:30:58,520
Council of Cornere.

993
01:30:58,860 --> 01:30:59,420
President.

994
01:30:59,420 --> 01:31:00,620
Council of Pauline Cornere.

995
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:01,920
Council of Ireland.

996
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:02,700
President.

997
01:31:03,180 --> 01:31:03,600
Council of Noseworth.

998
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:04,160
President.

999
01:31:04,540 --> 01:31:05,360
Council of Romero.

1000
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:06,900
Council of Chalice.

1001
01:31:07,340 --> 01:31:07,760
President.

1002
01:31:08,460 --> 01:31:08,920
Council of Robins.

1003
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:09,300
President.

1004
01:31:09,740 --> 01:31:10,360
Council of Bedanza.

1005
01:31:12,180 --> 01:31:13,220
President as well.

1006
01:31:13,740 --> 01:31:16,080
And we also have with us a journey.

1007
01:31:16,540 --> 01:31:18,580
Amy Questle from my KPW.

1008
01:31:20,740 --> 01:31:21,440
Now I don't know.

1009
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:22,160
Vice President.

1010
01:31:22,340 --> 01:31:23,520
Do we have any minutes?

1011
01:31:24,300 --> 01:31:28,680
Madam President, I do have, we have two sets of minutes that are pending.

1012
01:31:28,820 --> 01:31:32,360
I'm going to ask for further time on those with everything that was on.

1013
01:31:32,540 --> 01:31:34,220
And other councillors have reached out and said,

1014
01:31:34,260 --> 01:31:36,000
I need a little more time to review them as well.

1015
01:31:36,180 --> 01:31:38,080
Okay, we can go to those on the next agenda.

1016
01:31:38,460 --> 01:31:38,740
Thank you.

1017
01:31:40,020 --> 01:31:41,840
So do I have a motion to recess?

1018
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:43,060
Make that motion.

1019
01:31:43,480 --> 01:31:46,900
Council of Columbia and Council of Robins.

1020
01:31:50,020 --> 01:31:52,020
on those in favor of recess,

1021
01:31:54,490 --> 01:31:55,970
and then the recess comes

1022
01:31:55,970 --> 01:31:57,690
to come here.

1023
01:31:57,910 --> 01:31:58,590
You're all in.

1024
01:31:58,830 --> 01:32:00,610
Thank you, Madam President.

1025
01:32:01,210 --> 01:32:04,030
So this is going to be a continuation of our public hearing

1026
01:32:04,030 --> 01:32:13,550
on a combined 64-26 and 67-26 that we've opened up both at the same time.

1027
01:32:13,930 --> 01:32:18,030
I'm going to go to, do I have any members of the council that would like

1028
01:32:18,030 --> 01:32:23,210
to address this once again, council burdensome?

1029
01:32:23,490 --> 01:32:28,130
I believe in the point that I, we looked at the definition of an office, and I'm

1030
01:32:28,130 --> 01:32:30,530
just there in the current zone of law.

1031
01:32:31,190 --> 01:32:33,530
And quite frankly, it's pretty weak.

1032
01:32:34,330 --> 01:32:35,790
So it's kind of a double duty.

1033
01:32:36,370 --> 01:32:37,950
So that ought to be addressed anyway.

1034
01:32:39,110 --> 01:32:44,870
And it would be a good time to do sort of some exclusionary language, as I suggested,

1035
01:32:45,630 --> 01:32:46,390
regarding data centers.

1036
01:32:51,370 --> 01:32:52,850
Mr. Rollins.

1037
01:32:53,790 --> 01:32:54,510
So I agree with you.

1038
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:57,390
I mean, we all worked on the zoning, right?

1039
01:32:57,470 --> 01:32:59,050
We know how much effort we're there.

1040
01:32:59,970 --> 01:33:02,870
And the lesson, and it was a year-long process.

1041
01:33:03,810 --> 01:33:13,470
And the emphasis was to provide definitions and not leave it up to the interpretation upstairs

1042
01:33:13,470 --> 01:33:16,710
and put the pressure on a building inspector, but to be more explicit.

1043
01:33:18,010 --> 01:33:22,530
And the other lesson is that this document cannot be static.

1044
01:33:23,450 --> 01:33:26,530
The world change, there was no such things as data centers when we did this thing.

1045
01:33:26,590 --> 01:33:28,170
So you've got to be dynamic.

1046
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:35,230
In terms of the criteria for a special permit, special permits are pretty powerful.

1047
01:33:35,330 --> 01:33:38,030
I've never seen one overdum, but these are the deepest pockets.

1048
01:33:38,030 --> 01:33:40,070
You're going to take it according to say, what are the criteria?

1049
01:33:40,970 --> 01:33:46,290
I think there's plenty, water, noise, I mean, we don't have the water supply in

1050
01:33:46,290 --> 01:33:52,230
minister to truly do a data center of any scale, but anyways, I think you can come up with

1051
01:33:52,230 --> 01:33:57,790
many criteria and it was pretty flexible in terms of the power of the city council with

1052
01:33:57,790 --> 01:34:03,070
a special permit, especially if it's very well defined. But don't you have the same criteria

1053
01:34:03,070 --> 01:34:08,090
with Mortorium? Aren't they going to ask you what's your criteria for Mortorium? I mean, they're

1054
01:34:08,090 --> 01:34:14,210
going to say yes, I need more time to figure it out, but either way, I think there's potential

1055
01:34:14,210 --> 01:34:18,850
for challenging this stuff. It's coming. They're not going to shut down and say we're not

1056
01:34:18,850 --> 01:34:23,210
building any more data centers because everybody, I mean Texas as a state is talking about

1057
01:34:23,210 --> 01:34:28,510
a moratorium now. Somewhere along line, this is going to break and be challenged. And I think

1058
01:34:28,510 --> 01:34:37,570
both provide you with the best safety for the citizens. So my point is, if we, the moratorium

1059
01:34:37,570 --> 01:34:46,010
does not need criteria. However, if we do this our job right, we will have, I can envision

1060
01:34:46,010 --> 01:34:50,890
an application from one of these places. That application would have, in other words, as

1061
01:34:50,890 --> 01:34:56,170
part of the special permit application, they would have to provide us with the amount of power

1062
01:34:56,170 --> 01:35:02,170
that this thing was going to create, then the water requirements, they would have to give us a study

1063
01:35:02,170 --> 01:35:07,370
of our local water capacities and indicate how they

1064
01:35:07,370 --> 01:35:11,170
are going to coexist with that as it currently exists,

1065
01:35:11,610 --> 01:35:13,670
same with power, all the way down the line.

1066
01:35:13,870 --> 01:35:14,930
That's a lot of work.

1067
01:35:15,710 --> 01:35:19,870
If we do it right, we can certainly put a damper

1068
01:35:19,870 --> 01:35:22,290
on anything that we can't handle here.

1069
01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:24,630
And as a matter of fact, we all know,

1070
01:35:24,650 --> 01:35:29,190
half the city is protected, conservation land almost.

1071
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:31,370
So they're on a whole lot of places,

1072
01:35:31,370 --> 01:35:36,450
a big data center can go on Lomester to begin with, but I think we have a lot of homework

1073
01:35:36,450 --> 01:35:36,850
to do.

1074
01:35:37,230 --> 01:35:42,710
And I think we got to put the onus on an applicant of any scale to say, what is this going

1075
01:35:42,710 --> 01:35:43,190
to create?

1076
01:35:43,270 --> 01:35:44,710
What do you say is going to do it or less?

1077
01:35:44,870 --> 01:35:47,310
And what are you going to get the capacity to do it?

1078
01:35:47,310 --> 01:35:49,270
We don't know the answers to those questions.

1079
01:35:49,950 --> 01:35:51,910
It's going to take time to put this together.

1080
01:35:52,270 --> 01:35:56,730
I think we can work at common purpose and we can get this done and protect our citizens.

1081
01:35:57,290 --> 01:35:59,130
We're all trying to put the same thing.

1082
01:35:59,130 --> 01:36:05,210
that we get to protect our citizens and our environment and our power, our water all the way down the line.

1083
01:36:05,430 --> 01:36:08,650
And I think we can do it and we can do it in a way that everybody wins.

1084
01:36:10,970 --> 01:36:12,750
Okay, I'm going to open it up to the public.

1085
01:36:13,970 --> 01:36:21,570
Is there anyone else in the public that would like to step up and discuss 64-26 or 67-26?

1086
01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:28,910
For a second time, is there anyone in the audience who would like to address 64-26 or 67-26?

1087
01:36:29,970 --> 01:36:35,090
And for a third and final time, is there anyone in the public who would like to address 64-26?

1088
01:36:36,550 --> 01:36:37,430
67-26.

1089
01:36:38,330 --> 01:36:45,370
My name is Dorothy Rillo, I'm 54 low street, I've been before, you know, and I think you all

1090
01:36:45,370 --> 01:36:49,950
know how I feel about data centers, I think you really have to be careful.

1091
01:36:49,950 --> 01:36:57,910
What is going to be happening in the Mr. It's you talk about power, you talk about water, you talk about air pollution.

1092
01:36:59,210 --> 01:37:04,790
The things that are going to destroy the civilization civilization is weaponry and pollution.

1093
01:37:05,290 --> 01:37:10,070
It's going to destroy our country. It's going to destroy the world and keep it up.

1094
01:37:10,750 --> 01:37:17,240
And what this is, we're asked to do is not only that but to use fossil fuels.

1095
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:22,100
fossil fuel has been noted to be very damaging to our environment.

1096
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:24,780
And I think we have to be very careful.

1097
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:29,960
And you people here, I mean, we have the federal level, we have the state level.

1098
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:51,840
But you at the local level is one that is respected and has the power. It's really, you just wonderful and trying to keep our city compatible to what we as people live here, quiet and wonderful and clean.

1099
01:37:51,840 --> 01:38:03,480
And there's something that was said, it says that in justice anywhere, there's a threat to justice everywhere.

1100
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:05,440
Thank you.

1101
01:38:05,980 --> 01:38:06,960
Thank you, Ms. Rural.

1102
01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:11,900
Mrs. Rural, are you always good the right thing to say at the right time? Thank you for that.

1103
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:22,020
Okay, anyone for the third and final time, anyone in the audience like to address 64-26 or 67-26?

1104
01:38:23,020 --> 01:38:29,160
Okay, seeing none, I'm going to turn this back to the Council, Madam President, to clarify

1105
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:36,520
my options here as to these two public hearings that we've addressed now.

1106
01:38:39,190 --> 01:38:41,110
As to 64-26,

1107
01:38:43,350 --> 01:38:47,530
are we discussing a leave to withdraw at this point or just simply closing

1108
01:38:47,530 --> 01:38:54,850
the public hearing, does that, I'm not sure, I'm not sure procedurally, does that get addressed

1109
01:38:54,850 --> 01:39:01,030
now or does that get addressed during the regular session of the council?

1110
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:12,900
Okay, so then my position on 64-26 would give, leave to withdraw on 64-26.

1111
01:39:12,900 --> 01:39:19,120
Please close the public hearing and grant a leave to withdraw.

1112
01:39:19,460 --> 01:39:20,340
Without prejudice.

1113
01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:21,340
Without prejudice.

1114
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:23,800
That would be my position.

1115
01:39:24,060 --> 01:39:25,580
I'd ask you to check with members of my committee.

1116
01:39:27,060 --> 01:39:28,100
I do agree.

1117
01:39:35,420 --> 01:39:36,300
I agree.

1118
01:39:37,180 --> 01:39:43,160
So we're closing the public hearing and that will be our recommendation during the full hearing.

1119
01:39:50,880 --> 01:40:01,100
Okay, we also have open right now is 67-26, which we open officially, I am going to close the public hearing on 67-26.

1120
01:40:25,660 --> 01:40:25,940
All right.

1121
01:40:26,060 --> 01:40:29,200
Then I think we are going to turn it back over to you.

1122
01:40:29,340 --> 01:40:33,520
I'm sorry, the recommendation.

1123
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:34,900
The recommendation,

1124
01:40:37,060 --> 01:40:41,700
it would be, all right, so it's my recommendation to close the public hearing on 67-26,

1125
01:40:48,750 --> 01:40:51,270
requesting further time on 67-26,

1126
01:40:54,330 --> 01:40:56,190
and ask you to check with members of my committee.

1127
01:40:58,230 --> 01:40:59,590
I also agree.

1128
01:41:01,620 --> 01:41:02,440
I agree.

1129
01:41:10,060 --> 01:41:15,900
Yes, Madam President, just ask one procedural question because we've been backed into this corner before.

1130
01:41:16,420 --> 01:41:20,340
If we're going to give this further time, should we close the public hearing?

1131
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:22,740
Well, because then we can't take any new testimony.

1132
01:41:23,740 --> 01:41:25,640
And we've been backed into this corner before.

1133
01:41:29,700 --> 01:41:30,160
Right.

1134
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:37,200
committee member is, I think I get, I get what they're trying to say with this petition.

1135
01:41:38,340 --> 01:41:44,260
And I personally, all I want to, I've heard all I need to hear, but I want to weigh it

1136
01:41:44,260 --> 01:41:49,220
with the moratorium once we get a decision back from the planning board.

1137
01:41:50,220 --> 01:41:55,680
So I mean for me, I'm okay with this public hearing, I think I get it, I've heard what I need

1138
01:41:55,680 --> 01:42:01,540
here and now I'm just going to weigh the two once we hear from the planning board with the

1139
01:42:01,540 --> 01:42:08,060
with the moratorium and make a decision. We can still pay it. We can debate it.

1140
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:12,140
I understand that. That's what I was, if the public wants to weigh in any more.

1141
01:42:14,060 --> 01:42:20,040
Can I, are we in committee now, is this a committee decision? Because I just want to be clear

1142
01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:22,940
because I'm the third member of that committee. So I just want to,

1143
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:27,180
we just voted to close the public

1144
01:42:27,180 --> 01:42:33,060
hearing and to grant that our recommendation when we're back in session would be to grant

1145
01:42:33,060 --> 01:42:41,360
67-26 further time. So with closing the public hearing is, right, but I take no more

1146
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:48,440
testimony, we can still, we can still debate. Right. Right. But I think as Councillor Robbins

1147
01:42:48,440 --> 01:42:53,280
has pointed out, I think we have been in a situation before where we have closed the public

1148
01:42:53,280 --> 01:43:00,220
hearing given it further time. So what I'd like to know is is it possible to amend this rather than closing the public hearing just to further time?

1149
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:11,380
We can do that. I wouldn't change my recommendation to close the public hearing and the recommendation to be for further time.

1150
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:16,580
Should also be noted that if anybody in the public wants to comment on it,

1151
01:43:16,620 --> 01:43:19,780
when it's on the agenda next, it can certainly do that in the public forum as well.

1152
01:43:23,700 --> 01:43:24,380
Okay.

1153
01:43:24,380 --> 01:43:30,480
They can also comment when the moratorium public hearing contract as well.

1154
01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:32,180
So, same type of information.

1155
01:43:33,180 --> 01:43:38,580
I think you should, you would need to read and survey my committee as to our recommendation.

1156
01:43:40,100 --> 01:43:41,540
That council going there?

1157
01:43:41,620 --> 01:43:46,140
I'm okay with closing the public hearing and granting further time.

1158
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:52,500
Give in the fact that you've indicated that people will have another opportunity to present

1159
01:43:53,220 --> 01:43:58,620
a perspective opinion down the line, then I am okay with that recommendation of what

1160
01:43:58,620 --> 01:44:00,800
to close the public hearing and provide further time.

1161
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:02,340
So you're still unanimous.

1162
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:02,620
Yes.

1163
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:04,820
All right.

1164
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:07,880
Thank you for the committee on that.

1165
01:44:08,740 --> 01:44:15,160
And now we're going to move on to five, five, five, five, five, five,

1166
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:25,440
Thank you Madam President, my name is Carrie Noseworthy, I am the chair of Public Service.

1167
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:31,380
I am joined by at Large Counselor Shalifu Zaffer and at Large Counselor Robins.

1168
01:44:31,980 --> 01:44:40,020
We are here tonight to look at Petition 05-27 Massachusetts Electrical Company doing business

1169
01:44:40,020 --> 01:44:45,960
as National Grid, request permission to locate polls, wires, and fixtures, including the necessary

1170
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:50,320
sustaining and protecting fixtures, along and across the following public way.

1171
01:44:50,900 --> 01:44:55,780
West Street, National Grid, to install one jointly owned poll on West Street, beginning at

1172
01:44:55,780 --> 01:44:59,780
a point approximately 170 feet east of the center line of the intersection.

1173
01:45:00,270 --> 01:45:26,270
Of Westery and Butal Street, installing new poll 19-2 on Westery. We're for it praise that after do notice in hearing as provided by law, it be granted a location for and permission to erect and maintain polls and wires, together with such sustaining and protecting fixtures as it may find necessary, said polls to be erected substantially in accordance with the plan filed here with Mark Westery.

1174
01:45:26,270 --> 01:45:35,810
Let Mr. Massachusetts, number 3, 1, 3, 08, 2, 8, 1, June 25, 20, 26, also for permission

1175
01:45:35,810 --> 01:45:43,990
to lay and maintain underground ladders, cables and wires in the above or intersecting

1176
01:45:43,990 --> 01:45:49,210
public ways for the purpose of making connections with such poles and building as each of

1177
01:45:49,210 --> 01:45:51,790
said petitioners may desire for distributing purposes.

1178
01:45:51,790 --> 01:45:57,970
Your petitioner agrees to reserve slaves for one cross arm at a suitable point on each of

1179
01:45:57,970 --> 01:46:04,330
said polls for the fire, police telephone and telegraph, signal wires belonging to the municipality,

1180
01:46:05,350 --> 01:46:09,530
and used by it exclusively for municipal purposes.

1181
01:46:10,070 --> 01:46:15,770
I believe we are joined tonight by a very patient Lenny from National Grid, so if you could

1182
01:46:15,770 --> 01:46:22,270
just come up and not take the podium in case of the people come in, but just have to

1183
01:46:22,270 --> 01:46:27,770
see that the table introduce yourself and just give us a general description of the

1184
01:46:27,770 --> 01:46:28,110
project.

1185
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:29,010
Thank you so much.

1186
01:46:29,630 --> 01:46:30,830
Of course, good evening, everybody.

1187
01:46:31,650 --> 01:46:37,390
My name is Leiden Martinez, I'm here for National Grid talking about the said petition.

1188
01:46:37,390 --> 01:46:47,630
And we are looking to locate a poll in I believe this is flying street, yes, that will

1189
01:46:47,630 --> 01:46:48,430
execute this paper.

1190
01:46:48,670 --> 01:46:49,210
It's flying street.

1191
01:46:49,350 --> 01:46:52,350
It's on west street, but like right in front of flying street.

1192
01:46:52,410 --> 01:46:54,390
So flying that runs down.

1193
01:46:54,770 --> 01:46:56,470
Yes, it is near there.

1194
01:46:56,750 --> 01:46:56,810
Yes.

1195
01:46:56,910 --> 01:46:58,330
It wasn't like that condo area.

1196
01:46:58,850 --> 01:47:02,650
So in that condo area, there is a three-phase bank in the like a field.

1197
01:47:03,070 --> 01:47:07,250
And we would like to relocate that to the street to make it easier for us to maintain.

1198
01:47:07,250 --> 01:47:12,810
safer for everybody. There are three phase banks further down that line, but we can access

1199
01:47:12,810 --> 01:47:20,590
them to the parking lot. So that's not so issue. Okay, thanks so much, Lee. And our DPW were

1200
01:47:20,590 --> 01:47:26,490
didn't have any questions on the LEMISTR police department. We're in opposition, but one of the

1201
01:47:26,490 --> 01:47:33,450
things they brought up was the fact that says just to note that the West Street right away is

1202
01:47:33,450 --> 01:47:39,390
feedback behind the existing sidewalk in that location. So I didn't know if that was something

1203
01:47:39,390 --> 01:47:43,610
you were familiar with or I just wanted to make sure it was brought to your attention just

1204
01:47:43,610 --> 01:47:48,250
because they had mentioned it. I appreciate it. I went out there today and I was looking for

1205
01:47:48,250 --> 01:47:54,470
state I put one in but it's good. When I spoke to the designer it's supposed to be like the sidewalk

1206
01:47:54,470 --> 01:47:58,730
ends and the pulse will be essentially right there like so it's still within the town right

1207
01:47:58,730 --> 01:48:03,650
would. Sure. Okay. Yeah. Because when I went down there, I just, it is sort of, I don't

1208
01:48:03,650 --> 01:48:08,770
want to say congested area, but there is, there are lots of housing and the intersection

1209
01:48:08,770 --> 01:48:14,590
is right there. So I just wanted to make sure it didn't, you know, impede anybody's access

1210
01:48:14,590 --> 01:48:19,710
to, like, the sidewalk or anything like that. Oh, no, no, it should not be anybody's access

1211
01:48:19,710 --> 01:48:23,470
to sidewalk. Okay. The whole supposed to be going in the dirt and that we have no anchors

1212
01:48:23,470 --> 01:48:28,650
or anything going into the sidewalk or anything that would impede anybody's access for it.

1213
01:48:28,650 --> 01:48:33,970
And do either of my other committee members have any questions, comments or concerns?

1214
01:48:35,030 --> 01:48:40,670
Does anybody else on the council have any questions, comments or concerns regarding this petition?

1215
01:48:42,450 --> 01:48:42,550
No.

1216
01:48:43,630 --> 01:48:51,930
So with that, I'll go to the public and ask if anybody would like to speak for or against petition 0 5-27.

1217
01:48:51,930 --> 01:49:01,480
For a second time, I'll ask if anybody would like to speak for or against petition 0.5-27.

1218
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:10,140
And for a third and final time, would anyone like to speak for or against petition 0.5-27?

1219
01:49:12,120 --> 01:49:17,000
Seeing none, Madam President would be my recommendation to close the public hearing.

1220
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:21,500
Thank

1221
01:49:23,740 --> 01:49:26,560
you so much, like appreciate it.

1222
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:27,540
I appreciate it, thank you.

1223
01:49:30,710 --> 01:49:37,310
Just a quick note while we're talking about public service and telephone polls.

1224
01:49:38,130 --> 01:49:41,890
We can always learn something every day, but all the years I've been here.

1225
01:49:42,630 --> 01:49:46,490
I've got a number of phone calls a couple of days ago.

1226
01:49:46,490 --> 01:49:54,950
my street. There were five, three or four, five trucks, police, and

1227
01:49:54,950 --> 01:49:59,630
polls were being installed. And everybody calling me said, we didn't

1228
01:49:59,630 --> 01:50:03,690
say anything on the city council agenda. We didn't hear anything about

1229
01:50:03,690 --> 01:50:10,410
you know, Debbie Drive being new telephone polls. I talked to the

1230
01:50:10,410 --> 01:50:14,690
gentleman putting it in, talked to the police, called the supervisor,

1231
01:50:14,690 --> 01:50:21,330
called Council of Columbia who I thought would know something about it, found out that there's

1232
01:50:21,850 --> 01:50:28,210
so the public knows if you ever see it, that there is no need to have a permit through

1233
01:50:28,210 --> 01:50:34,190
the City Council to replace the poll. It's only for new installation. So we found out quickly

1234
01:50:35,050 --> 01:50:44,230
that you know, and I worked and I had my answer. So thank you to the left lecture company for that.

1235
01:50:44,230 --> 01:50:46,350
appreciate and horizon.

1236
01:50:47,110 --> 01:50:47,370
All right.

1237
01:50:47,730 --> 01:50:48,610
Thank you, Councilor.

1238
01:50:48,990 --> 01:50:50,390
For moving that along quickly.

1239
01:50:51,030 --> 01:50:52,550
Now back to you, Chair.

1240
01:50:52,670 --> 01:50:53,490
Have enough of a break?

1241
01:50:53,890 --> 01:50:53,990
I did.

1242
01:50:54,270 --> 01:50:55,110
I did.

1243
01:50:55,110 --> 01:50:56,530
I did.

1244
01:50:59,470 --> 01:50:59,570
I did.

1245
01:50:59,570 --> 01:50:59,990
I did.

1246
01:51:00,910 --> 01:51:01,150
I did.

1247
01:51:01,150 --> 01:51:01,350
I did.

1248
01:51:01,350 --> 01:51:01,590
I did.

1249
01:51:07,970 --> 01:51:09,010
I did.

1250
01:51:09,010 --> 01:51:12,270
on behalf of the 10 registered voters as follows.

1251
01:51:12,890 --> 01:51:15,250
Modify the existing entry in the table of uses,

1252
01:51:15,510 --> 01:51:20,270
apartments, multi-family dwelling, from being yes in the M-U-2.

1253
01:51:21,010 --> 01:51:22,910
Again, there's a chart attached,

1254
01:51:23,350 --> 01:51:28,490
and this is requesting it going from being yes in M-U-2 to N,

1255
01:51:29,010 --> 01:51:31,990
in M-U-2, which would be a null in the M-U-2 zoning.

1256
01:51:33,430 --> 01:51:36,110
Again, we have the petitioner who is here,

1257
01:51:36,110 --> 01:51:47,050
we're going to welcome her up to the hot seat if you will for a moment. Before I open this

1258
01:51:47,050 --> 01:51:53,930
up, I know there's a number of people here. I did receive a number of emails and request

1259
01:51:53,930 --> 01:52:03,150
for people who were unable to attend. I just want to make sure if there's anybody who's here

1260
01:52:03,150 --> 01:52:08,870
who's already sent in an email and ended up showing up anyway if you just put your name on a

1261
01:52:08,870 --> 01:52:13,950
list or something and let me know. Otherwise we will deal with the emails after we open

1262
01:52:13,950 --> 01:52:18,430
up to the people that are present today. So, Ms. Mallett, welcome again. Thank you.

1263
01:52:18,590 --> 01:52:18,710
Thank you.

1264
01:52:19,010 --> 01:52:20,410
Thank you.

1265
01:52:20,410 --> 01:52:27,110
I'll get it. By the end of the night, I will get it. You're doing well. Thank you.

1266
01:52:27,110 --> 01:52:29,610
Um, for, um,

1267
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:40,480
Allowing us to continue to appear before you. So MU2, basically what the constituents are asking is, as you know, the approval

1268
01:52:40,480 --> 01:52:50,140
went forth for the Orchard Hill MU2 high-density apartment complex. So that was approved at the city level. It's been approved at the state level.

1269
01:52:50,140 --> 01:52:58,200
So, award-one will be absorbing the impact of roughly just shy of 300 apartments, without

1270
01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:07,300
any increase in school emergency medical services fire, and we are asking that the council

1271
01:53:07,300 --> 01:53:15,140
respectfully evaluate the zoning for additional apartments and multi-family dwelling to be

1272
01:53:15,140 --> 01:53:22,040
addressed in that when the zoning was changed, the density was not simply just for a small

1273
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:32,380
subdivision or subsection within MU2. All of MU2's density is now approved for high

1274
01:53:32,380 --> 01:53:39,440
density apartments and multifamily use such that if it were to be built out, it could potentially

1275
01:53:39,440 --> 01:53:46,840
be another thousand units by right in that zone. And Ward 1 feels that we have absorbed

1276
01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:56,240
as much as we can practically within reason. And we are asking you to evaluate the apartments

1277
01:53:56,240 --> 01:54:04,120
and multifamily dwelling further into that MU2 zone. So the spirit of this is that we recognize

1278
01:54:04,120 --> 01:54:05,940
yes, there's a need for housing.

1279
01:54:06,180 --> 01:54:08,180
We're not asking for no more housing.

1280
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:12,880
We're absorbing 300 units without any increase in fire,

1281
01:54:13,260 --> 01:54:16,280
without any increase in traffic, without any increase in schools.

1282
01:54:16,700 --> 01:54:20,900
We are asking that that be evaluated to the point that the

1283
01:54:20,900 --> 01:54:25,260
table of uses is changed to no when it comes to multifamily

1284
01:54:25,260 --> 01:54:27,140
or high density apartment buildings.

1285
01:54:28,360 --> 01:54:29,540
Thank you.

1286
01:54:29,540 --> 01:54:36,660
Okay, any members of the Council have any questions, concerns, would like to make any statements

1287
01:54:36,660 --> 01:54:39,700
asking any questions of the petitioner?

1288
01:54:40,540 --> 01:54:42,320
All right, seeing none, I'm going to open this.

1289
01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:44,380
Oh, just another point of clarity.

1290
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:52,240
The original M-U-2 had a limit of 30 acres, or 30% of the total land value had to be

1291
01:54:52,240 --> 01:54:54,760
was a maximum that you could do for residential.

1292
01:54:54,760 --> 01:55:07,540
When the change went through to MU2 via the housing committee process, it opened up all 88 acres to be residential.

1293
01:55:07,780 --> 01:55:10,700
Before it was limited to 30, now it's 80.

1294
01:55:12,540 --> 01:55:13,500
And the density,

1295
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:21,040
the density was 14 units per acre by right in the old.

1296
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:28,180
17 with a special permit, the new density is 22 acres, a 22-units per acre by right.

1297
01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:36,200
So, if you do the simple math, 80 times 22 or 21.74, I think the number actually is,

1298
01:55:36,300 --> 01:55:43,020
but 80 times on paper, he can have 1,600 units by right.

1299
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:48,840
And the buffers used to be a minimum of $50, now there's a maximum with no minimum.

1300
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:58,620
So, we went through the battle with the changing the reasoning back, we lost that battle,

1301
01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:01,560
the 300 units are going in.

1302
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:05,880
This is saying stop there.

1303
01:56:06,540 --> 01:56:16,420
You get phase one, which is massive, 300 units, but you have the capacity to go as much as

1304
01:56:16,420 --> 01:56:23,600
the rest of those 80 acres can hold, which it's not going to be 1,600 total, but it could

1305
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:30,260
be well over 1,000. And we're talking now, we know the density in the existing one is less

1306
01:56:30,260 --> 01:56:36,340
than 21.74 because they built the clubhouse in whatnot than the pools and they set up the

1307
01:56:36,340 --> 01:56:43,200
infrastructure for the remaining. That's still 9-4-story buildings going in. And there's going

1308
01:56:43,200 --> 01:56:49,120
a lot of noise when that construction starts. And I've had this conversation dozens of time in

1309
01:56:49,120 --> 01:56:57,940
Ward 1. If you're talking 35 type 30 plus buildings over there and that construction starts,

1310
01:56:59,480 --> 01:57:03,780
a lot of people that aren't paying attention now are going to be stuck in traffic in Ward 1 and

1311
01:57:03,780 --> 01:57:11,120
they're going to make the connection. So what this is saying is, yes, you get the two 90, but

1312
01:57:11,660 --> 01:57:17,380
Let's stop there. Zoning can be re-evaluated five, ten years from now. We've got all kinds of other

1313
01:57:17,380 --> 01:57:21,640
development going on in the city that's going to be an impact. So that's what this

1314
01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:27,780
petition is saying. Now, the argument that you're going to hear from the developers, it creates a pre-existing

1315
01:57:27,780 --> 01:57:35,860
non-conforming for the existing project. And I would argue that that's not going to change his first phase

1316
01:57:35,860 --> 01:57:40,760
One bit, he's going to get everything he wants in that first phase.

1317
01:57:41,900 --> 01:57:45,680
There's a lot of projects built in the city under pre-existing non-conforming.

1318
01:57:46,580 --> 01:57:51,820
I think he just changed his zoning for the huge project that was already developed down

1319
01:57:51,820 --> 01:57:53,720
off of, you know, whatever it is.

1320
01:57:54,520 --> 01:58:00,100
The point is, the argument that pre-existing non-conforming is somehow going to affect

1321
01:58:00,100 --> 01:58:04,560
these 290 units, I would make the argument that that's a non-issue.

1322
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:08,660
He's going to get everything he wants in that he's he that's a done deal

1323
01:58:08,660 --> 01:58:13,580
He gets a massive project in Ward 1. This is about

1324
01:58:13,580 --> 01:58:17,960
What's left and this is the last this is the last

1325
01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:21,920
Yeah, if this you have the power here

1326
01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:29,760
January 13th was a big meeting I tell when I have this conversation I go watch January 13th you'll see where the zoning was changed and you can you know

1327
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:30,640
Look at that meeting

1328
01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:33,380
This is the next but this is it

1329
01:58:33,380 --> 01:58:51,160
If this doesn't pass, then it's wide open by right thousand units plus, and I feel very, very, very passionate that it will have a dramatic negative effect on word one.

1330
01:58:52,570 --> 01:58:59,850
I really do, so what I'm asking, what is being asked for with this petition is to say no.

1331
01:59:00,410 --> 01:59:01,750
Let's build phase one.

1332
01:59:02,010 --> 01:59:07,530
Let's see what the 200 plus units and the gateway project, see how that works out.

1333
01:59:07,730 --> 01:59:09,410
See what the impact is on the schools.

1334
01:59:09,830 --> 01:59:13,490
We hear from experts, no impact on schools, right?

1335
01:59:13,670 --> 01:59:17,750
Minimal impact, 50% of these units are multi-bedroom.

1336
01:59:17,750 --> 01:59:24,690
People aren't renting extra bedroom luxury apartments for thousands of dollars to have spare bedrooms.

1337
01:59:25,670 --> 01:59:26,850
There's going to be kids.

1338
01:59:27,950 --> 01:59:28,050
Traffic.

1339
01:59:28,290 --> 01:59:29,010
We hear don't worry.

1340
01:59:29,210 --> 01:59:32,010
They're all just going to jump on route two and go to work and come back.

1341
01:59:32,190 --> 01:59:33,330
There's going to be minimal traffic.

1342
01:59:34,030 --> 01:59:36,150
I mean, I've lived there for 35 years.

1343
01:59:36,350 --> 01:59:37,150
I talked a lot of people.

1344
01:59:37,270 --> 01:59:39,750
I have yet to find anybody who says,

1345
01:59:41,010 --> 01:59:45,050
By leaving the books to be by right to build a thousand units.

1346
01:59:45,050 --> 01:59:53,050
In North Lomester is a good idea. Nobody agrees with that. Nobody. It will dramatically affect

1347
01:59:53,750 --> 01:59:59,490
the neighborhoods and the integrity of those neighborhoods in Ward 1. This is it.

1348
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,020
We have the power. You have the authority. This is the last gasp in my opinion.

1349
02:00:12,040 --> 02:00:21,040
Thank you, Madam Chair. I don't know if anybody on council would have this answer, but it is making me wonder, obviously.

1350
02:00:21,420 --> 02:00:25,420
It wouldn't help with the school piece or the traffic piece or the quality of life piece.

1351
02:00:25,420 --> 02:00:31,560
But where we are so strapped with police and fire and paramedics, and I understand it's probably a corner office decision,

1352
02:00:32,460 --> 02:00:38,680
do we have something on the books or how does it work when we are looking at housing, because we do need housing,

1353
02:00:40,720 --> 02:00:47,660
that we have increased tax revenue or however the formula works, that we are increasing our first responders.

1354
02:00:48,160 --> 02:00:53,000
And if we don't have an answer, I think it would be an important question to be asking as things are moving forward.

1355
02:00:53,620 --> 02:00:54,300
Thank you.

1356
02:00:55,740 --> 02:01:02,970
Is there any members of the public there here that would like to address, I'm sorry,

1357
02:01:03,290 --> 02:01:04,090
Councillor Schell if was over?

1358
02:01:04,250 --> 02:01:04,590
That's okay.

1359
02:01:04,770 --> 02:01:05,930
Thank you very much.

1360
02:01:07,930 --> 02:01:12,370
You know, I think the way that the petitioners described, you know, where we're at with this

1361
02:01:12,370 --> 02:01:13,970
project, I think, is the apt.

1362
02:01:14,910 --> 02:01:21,810
And, you know, 300 units, 290 units, whatever that is, that is going to create mayhem.

1363
02:01:21,890 --> 02:01:23,950
I would argue in North Lomester.

1364
02:01:23,950 --> 02:01:31,290
The traffic, the increased public safety calls, whether it's police or fire, whether it's EMTs.

1365
02:01:32,990 --> 02:01:42,790
The school system in Lymnster, in North Lymnster, both at the lower, at the grammar school and also at the middle school, they are at capacity.

1366
02:01:44,210 --> 02:01:44,930
They're at capacity.

1367
02:01:45,490 --> 02:01:50,830
They may have one or two spots, you know, for kids to school choice in, that's it, they're at capacity.

1368
02:01:50,830 --> 02:02:00,350
So, if we start adding 300 units in the next year or the year after, whatever, we add another 400 or 300 or whatever,

1369
02:02:00,870 --> 02:02:11,430
up to the maximum that can be built on that land, we are going to be in a very serious situation here in terms of our budget going forward.

1370
02:02:13,930 --> 02:02:17,670
school buildings cost a lot of money, you know, in the middle of the fall

1371
02:02:17,670 --> 02:02:23,730
broke school, having to rebuild that. Just think about that. Think about the

1372
02:02:23,730 --> 02:02:28,430
long term. Think about the traffic. I shop at Target. I'm up in North

1373
02:02:28,430 --> 02:02:33,570
Lomens, Darlatime. I avoid Ruth 13. I remember when one of our counselors, the

1374
02:02:33,570 --> 02:02:38,730
Wardwin counselor, council faculty, who was a very good friend when she passed

1375
02:02:38,730 --> 02:02:44,830
And we had, we all attended her funeral mass at our lady, the lake in North Lemmonster.

1376
02:02:45,610 --> 02:02:54,710
The people at the church, we had a police detail because all the traffic was from the bridge,

1377
02:02:54,710 --> 02:02:59,630
you know, down at Hamilton and Ruth 13, all the way up to our lady, the lake.

1378
02:03:00,290 --> 02:03:03,910
Church goes, we were going to go to the cemetery, down by Sears Town,

1379
02:03:03,910 --> 02:03:10,810
And we had to have the Congress, had to have a police escort to bypass all of that root

1380
02:03:10,810 --> 02:03:14,450
13 traffic so that we could get to the cemetery to bury our friend.

1381
02:03:15,190 --> 02:03:18,030
That's not unusual on root 13 in women's stuff.

1382
02:03:18,210 --> 02:03:23,290
For people who live there and for people who happen to visit there.

1383
02:03:24,070 --> 02:03:31,690
So this is, you know, it's very, very serious, and one thing I've read in, I don't know

1384
02:03:31,690 --> 02:03:37,390
which attorneys, most recent letter it was, but, you know, talked about or mentioned that

1385
02:03:37,390 --> 02:03:40,870
the state has a housing crisis and affordable housing crisis.

1386
02:03:41,530 --> 02:03:43,950
State absolutely has an affordable housing crisis.

1387
02:03:44,310 --> 02:03:46,930
This is not going to address that.

1388
02:03:47,230 --> 02:03:50,230
This area, lemon stirs a gateway city.

1389
02:03:50,570 --> 02:03:53,590
City of Fitchburg, our neighbor to the north is also a gateway city.

1390
02:03:53,870 --> 02:03:57,270
We are not surrounded by affluent communities.

1391
02:03:57,270 --> 02:04:04,270
We are surrounded by working class people so to if that's such a stretch

1392
02:04:04,270 --> 02:04:09,850
It was an insult honestly, you know that this is going to help address affordable housing that that's not what this is going to do

1393
02:04:09,850 --> 02:04:11,450
It's not gonna house anybody in Lomester

1394
02:04:11,450 --> 02:04:20,190
So again, the citizens of Lomester the residents of Lomester the people who live here and love it here and have been here for a long time to pay taxes

1395
02:04:21,810 --> 02:04:27,010
They're gonna bear the brunt of this building for sure for sure

1396
02:04:27,270 --> 02:04:39,390
300 units that have all been approved, those can be built, but let's step up, let's step up and represent the people who support us and put us here.

1397
02:04:39,770 --> 02:04:41,290
Thank you.

1398
02:04:42,170 --> 02:04:50,260
I just want to add something because after I believe it was the planning board meeting,

1399
02:04:52,520 --> 02:04:52,620
when the

1400
02:04:52,620 --> 02:04:58,880
former councilor Rowans mentioned that wood did not win any while housing.

1401
02:04:59,200 --> 02:05:01,020
I wanted to tolerate any while housing.

1402
02:05:01,740 --> 02:05:04,340
And I had somebody in wood to recall me.

1403
02:05:05,180 --> 02:05:08,160
And at first I was going to just refer them to the wood to reconcil,

1404
02:05:08,300 --> 02:05:10,560
but it was somebody that I knew for a long time.

1405
02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:14,360
And they said, we have had a lot of building.

1406
02:05:15,020 --> 02:05:19,120
I'm concerned that we're hitting areas against areas

1407
02:05:19,120 --> 02:05:22,080
by making a statement that we're not going to build

1408
02:05:22,080 --> 02:05:22,920
in Ward 1.

1409
02:05:23,700 --> 02:05:26,520
So I did some research.

1410
02:05:28,300 --> 02:05:31,300
And it's kind of an interesting research,

1411
02:05:31,380 --> 02:05:34,380
Dr. Balpholberg School, we talk about, we have Samusette.

1412
02:05:34,780 --> 02:05:37,280
We have Central Street, we have Traffic.

1413
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:52,800
And I started thinking of which real terrorists, 740 Central Street, Brooks pond, metal pond, metal brookdakers, the two trailer parks that we have.

1414
02:05:53,560 --> 02:06:04,140
So I checked with the assessor's office today and once 3 has 890 units, just on Central Street, in just a short area.

1415
02:06:05,000 --> 02:06:09,180
Brooks Pond has 22 buildings with 506 units.

1416
02:06:10,700 --> 02:06:21,540
In addition to 890 apartments, we have 935 condominiums, and all the projects that we have

1417
02:06:21,540 --> 02:06:26,000
between Fawbbrook, Melbourne, Terrorist, Chapman Place, and going down the line.

1418
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:36,220
So, the distribution and the schools, and maybe completely different, you know, with

1419
02:06:36,220 --> 02:06:40,900
wood one, if you want to show and prove that wood one is a complete difference.

1420
02:06:42,200 --> 02:06:48,540
We have the schools that aren't overcrowded in Fallbrook and Samusette.

1421
02:06:48,780 --> 02:06:54,180
I mean, they're certainly probably to come out to you, but they're not nobody's yelling

1422
02:06:54,180 --> 02:06:55,160
that they're overcrowded.

1423
02:06:55,160 --> 02:07:09,260
But I don't want to see this city be separated with what one says this, what three says this, and there's the problems in Ward 1 have not been from the building.

1424
02:07:09,500 --> 02:07:15,820
The problems in Ward 1 was I went 90, there was an interstate highway that was supposed to go to the hamster and never got there.

1425
02:07:15,820 --> 02:07:23,520
That's when most of you traffic and most of you just stop on the side of the road and in the morning and in the afternoon

1426
02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:29,900
It looked at the nehamsia guys that are going by that traffic and that route. That's what you're gonna find the majority

1427
02:07:30,530 --> 02:07:43,430
It was an interesting, and I got concerned after this person asked me when they heard that at the planning board that one is refusing to have any more, can't tolerate any more housing.

1428
02:07:44,670 --> 02:07:50,310
And that was a pretty strong statement, and I said, you know, you're not wrong, but let me look.

1429
02:07:51,230 --> 02:08:01,310
So, I think I know the projects are there, but I got to be perfectly honest, I was surprised at the number that we had that came back after I started looking at that.

1430
02:08:01,610 --> 02:08:07,170
So, I just wanted to point that out that, you know, there are other air, and I didn't look at four, I didn't look at five.

1431
02:08:07,210 --> 02:08:15,290
I don't think there's a high number of complex in the majority of have been in Woiz3.

1432
02:08:15,290 --> 02:08:21,150
I mean, everybody would have liked to probably see a farm, stay a farm, you know, a Brooks

1433
02:08:21,150 --> 02:08:21,710
pond.

1434
02:08:22,630 --> 02:08:28,370
There were some issues that were developed then, and there were a lot of things that happened.

1435
02:08:29,230 --> 02:08:34,030
But you know, that's just kind of the information I wanted to put on the table for that.

1436
02:08:35,660 --> 02:08:36,400
Councillor Merrill?

1437
02:08:36,760 --> 02:08:37,040
Sorry, sir.

1438
02:08:37,180 --> 02:08:37,760
Her hand first.

1439
02:08:38,340 --> 02:08:39,880
We'll go from there.

1440
02:08:42,180 --> 02:08:50,700
Thank you for that information, but I also just want to respectfully point out that all of

1441
02:08:50,700 --> 02:08:59,780
those developments that you mentioned in board three are affordable or market rate, the

1442
02:08:59,780 --> 02:09:00,100
majority.

1443
02:09:00,380 --> 02:09:02,540
Let me not say all of them, I apologize.

1444
02:09:02,540 --> 02:09:09,760
Because many of them, the majority of them, are market rate affordable housing for

1445
02:09:09,760 --> 02:09:15,260
lemon stir residents for the working class folks.

1446
02:09:16,200 --> 02:09:26,240
And I think the project, again, that Mr. Rollins and Ms. Millett, Mrs. Millett, who's referring

1447
02:09:26,240 --> 02:09:35,360
to is an above market rate apartment complex of about 300 apartments. So I just want to

1448
02:09:35,360 --> 02:09:41,920
make sure that we're clear, but I also have that on record, but I want to get clarification

1449
02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:52,800
on the language around multi-family dwelling. So changing the M2 and excluding apartments and

1450
02:09:52,800 --> 02:10:03,200
family dwelling. Does that also exclude or prevent, like townhouse style, condos, or

1451
02:10:03,200 --> 02:10:05,700
duplexes, things of that sort?

1452
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:13,080
And this would distill allow for single family homes.

1453
02:10:13,080 --> 02:10:23,520
And if so, you know, what would the acreage or or the required land use be there for that?

1454
02:10:24,080 --> 02:10:27,860
So, I just again, because this is very specific, whereas as apartments multi-family dwelling.

1455
02:10:29,240 --> 02:10:41,120
So, are we talking about just apartment complexes and that type of project, or are we including single-family homes in this as well?

1456
02:10:41,120 --> 02:10:42,280
Like, no housing.

1457
02:10:43,520 --> 02:10:47,020
No, it's specific to apartments and multifamily dwellings, period.

1458
02:10:47,620 --> 02:10:52,240
And it has to do with addressing the fact that when the density was changed, when the

1459
02:10:52,240 --> 02:10:54,300
density was changed back in January,

1460
02:10:56,360 --> 02:10:59,380
the repercussions for the entire, if you extrapolate

1461
02:10:59,380 --> 02:11:03,960
out the map and use the map to what the current density utilization is approved for in

1462
02:11:03,960 --> 02:11:15,580
this, MU2 zone, it's of concern. It's of concern. And I do not believe that this is

1463
02:11:15,580 --> 02:11:21,460
pitting one ward against another. I disagree that it's pitting one ward against another.

1464
02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:32,580
I agree that it's addressing the volume of density by right to build out a maximum build

1465
02:11:32,580 --> 02:11:35,340
and put such stress on infrastructure.

1466
02:11:36,120 --> 02:11:37,540
That's what we're asking to address.

1467
02:11:38,220 --> 02:11:40,000
Not that it needs to go somewhere else.

1468
02:11:40,340 --> 02:11:42,560
I do think that there's a lot of other options

1469
02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:44,960
that are being taken advantage of in the city,

1470
02:11:45,180 --> 02:11:46,440
of buildings that are being,

1471
02:11:46,440 --> 02:11:47,640
can be refurbished.

1472
02:11:47,940 --> 02:11:50,360
I think that it's great to see that happening.

1473
02:11:51,180 --> 02:11:55,280
What this is to say, single family is not on the table.

1474
02:11:56,560 --> 02:11:58,800
It's multifamily, high-density apartments.

1475
02:12:01,040 --> 02:12:02,680
Thank you very much.

1476
02:12:02,860 --> 02:12:04,520
I want to address the council president's comments,

1477
02:12:04,780 --> 02:12:06,280
because when you were talking about war three and

1478
02:12:06,280 --> 02:12:06,980
barred's firm.

1479
02:12:07,640 --> 02:12:11,120
Barred's firm is like the perfect example of

1480
02:12:11,120 --> 02:12:12,780
housing that limits the residents,

1481
02:12:13,140 --> 02:12:14,740
downsize and go to.

1482
02:12:15,200 --> 02:12:16,120
It's affordable.

1483
02:12:17,100 --> 02:12:18,020
It's the way it's built.

1484
02:12:18,260 --> 02:12:19,940
I mean, it's got all kinds of amenities for

1485
02:12:20,400 --> 02:12:22,320
people that are looking to downsize and that

1486
02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:25,200
can afford the rents that they are charging.

1487
02:12:25,220 --> 02:12:26,540
So I just wanted to say that.

1488
02:12:26,540 --> 02:12:28,180
I also wanted to also,

1489
02:12:28,180 --> 02:12:29,480
I'm a counselor, a large survivor,

1490
02:12:29,480 --> 02:12:30,900
present people across the city.

1491
02:12:32,540 --> 02:12:35,740
And I never think of this project

1492
02:12:35,740 --> 02:12:37,720
as being against another award.

1493
02:12:38,640 --> 02:12:40,640
I haven't heard word one people

1494
02:12:40,640 --> 02:12:42,460
over the last year and a half saying,

1495
02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:43,640
we don't want any housing.

1496
02:12:43,940 --> 02:12:44,700
We don't want housing.

1497
02:12:44,700 --> 02:12:45,540
We don't want more parts.

1498
02:12:45,720 --> 02:12:47,900
That's not what I've heard.

1499
02:12:49,060 --> 02:12:50,400
That's what I've brought back.

1500
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:51,840
That's what I got the phone call.

1501
02:12:51,940 --> 02:12:53,240
I was at the planning board,

1502
02:12:53,360 --> 02:12:54,260
and I don't remember hearing that.

1503
02:12:54,300 --> 02:12:57,760
I could go look at the tape and maybe it was said that way.

1504
02:12:57,760 --> 02:12:59,160
I didn't hear that.

1505
02:12:59,780 --> 02:13:04,760
It's about the change and the increase in what I consider

1506
02:13:04,760 --> 02:13:06,500
to be a ridiculous density.

1507
02:13:07,160 --> 02:13:09,040
There are no buffers anymore.

1508
02:13:10,080 --> 02:13:12,480
Anything can be negotiated and had people

1509
02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:16,180
been willing to come back and say, we know that the changes

1510
02:13:16,180 --> 02:13:21,480
that were made were maybe too aggressive.

1511
02:13:21,860 --> 02:13:22,880
There are no buffers.

1512
02:13:23,700 --> 02:13:25,380
There are no wildlife quarters.

1513
02:13:25,380 --> 02:13:27,700
there were, you know, there were wetlands that weren't delineated.

1514
02:13:27,880 --> 02:13:32,040
I mean, there were so many different problems with those changes.

1515
02:13:32,300 --> 02:13:34,080
But nobody ever came back and said, you know what?

1516
02:13:34,240 --> 02:13:38,120
We're going to be real sports because we know that we're getting, you know,

1517
02:13:38,200 --> 02:13:39,660
we got the density that we want about.

1518
02:13:39,700 --> 02:13:40,800
We're going to scale it back a little bit.

1519
02:13:40,900 --> 02:13:42,340
We're going to put in some decent buffers.

1520
02:13:42,520 --> 02:13:46,620
We're going to give, you know, some, you know, relief to the, the,

1521
02:13:46,680 --> 02:13:48,040
the of butters and the people in the neighborhood.

1522
02:13:48,460 --> 02:13:52,420
So it's not about hitting one neighborhood against another in the city.

1523
02:13:52,440 --> 02:13:54,660
I never, never have thought about it this way.

1524
02:13:54,660 --> 02:14:00,960
It's the scale and the scope and the density and the impact in that particular area.

1525
02:14:01,340 --> 02:14:02,380
It's Harvard Street.

1526
02:14:02,500 --> 02:14:04,340
It is the Orchard Hills Mall.

1527
02:14:04,680 --> 02:14:07,420
It is trying to get on and off of Route 2.

1528
02:14:08,180 --> 02:14:15,500
It's that particular location with that particular density and those specific changes.

1529
02:14:16,260 --> 02:14:18,260
That's what is it issue here.

1530
02:14:18,380 --> 02:14:21,620
It's got nothing to do with other places in the city.

1531
02:14:21,620 --> 02:14:24,760
I mean, I grew up in Ward 5 over by Riverside Village.

1532
02:14:25,740 --> 02:14:29,760
That's, you know, high density, lower income housing, you know, for people that's been very

1533
02:14:29,760 --> 02:14:35,220
successful and has been great over the years, every location in the city, you know, every ward

1534
02:14:35,220 --> 02:14:40,500
in the city, you know, has got some kind of, you know, multifamily housing or, you know, development.

1535
02:14:43,330 --> 02:14:46,310
So, we evaluate things where they make sense.

1536
02:14:46,490 --> 02:14:48,730
This is not, this doesn't make any sense.

1537
02:14:48,750 --> 02:14:52,910
We have an opportunity, the council is an opportunity to say, okay, you know, those first

1538
02:14:52,910 --> 02:14:57,030
300 units, you know, they're going to be, they've been approved, they're going to get built.

1539
02:14:59,030 --> 02:14:59,970
You know, but the rest of-

1540
02:15:01,280 --> 02:15:11,020
We don't need any more market rate apartments to pull more people from the east out here. We need housing for our local folks.

1541
02:15:11,400 --> 02:15:15,400
And if that was part of the plan, I'd certainly be more supportive of it. Thank you.

1542
02:15:15,820 --> 02:15:23,880
Councillor Noesworth. Thank you, Madam Chair. I guess I have a similar question about when it says multifamily dwelling.

1543
02:15:23,880 --> 02:15:32,000
And I think about 80 use and that language that's gone out there I guess it's confusing to me and I'm sure maybe some people at home

1544
02:15:32,640 --> 02:15:41,160
So multi-family dwelling, but with the 80 use you can have one allowed by so that this wouldn't impact that language

1545
02:15:41,160 --> 02:15:49,980
So what I see when I see this language and I'm assuming people at home it may also be confusing and I think I don't know if that's what the word one council was getting to

1546
02:15:49,980 --> 02:15:55,920
But we're not, you can't have an ADU, and I believe you can also, can you also build

1547
02:15:55,920 --> 02:15:58,440
up, I don't want to say any incorrect things.

1548
02:15:59,460 --> 02:16:04,460
But how does that differ from, I guess I'm trying to understand what a multi-family dwelling

1549
02:16:04,460 --> 02:16:11,500
is versus having one home, you don't even mean an ADU, which is multi-family.

1550
02:16:12,460 --> 02:16:13,220
Do you know what I mean?

1551
02:16:13,220 --> 02:16:13,420
Do you know what I mean?

1552
02:16:13,640 --> 02:16:14,280
Three and more units.

1553
02:16:14,660 --> 02:16:16,140
It is defined in the zone.

1554
02:16:17,080 --> 02:16:17,220
Perfect.

1555
02:16:17,220 --> 02:16:24,400
No, that answers my question and I bet some people at home were probably wondering the same thing because you can have an ADU. So it's pretty or more

1556
02:16:24,760 --> 02:16:32,820
I was just going to add into the award one Councillor's point. I was looking at the table of use. This townhouse is an allowable use as a current.

1557
02:16:36,380 --> 02:16:40,040
I just wanted to also speak about

1558
02:16:40,880 --> 02:16:56,440
If we emphasize the rest of the zoning or the use of the table of use, to be built out as housing, which we all know we need, it also will come at the cost of any sort of industry that is up there.

1559
02:16:56,980 --> 02:17:05,080
There's supposed to be, right? We got the state grant for that road for an industrial building.

1560
02:17:05,080 --> 02:17:16,900
And when we turn now and place instead, all of these high density residences there, where are the jobs that that land could actually support for our city?

1561
02:17:17,540 --> 02:17:23,060
So yes, we need housing. Yes, we do. We know we do. We all know we need housing. We need jobs.

1562
02:17:23,740 --> 02:17:31,620
That's why that road was put there. That road was put there on a grant for industrial warehouse.

1563
02:17:31,620 --> 02:17:38,560
still waiting and hoping that that will be the case, but in the absence of that to put

1564
02:17:38,560 --> 02:17:47,760
an opportunity cost to the economic impact of some jobs in that area will be to pull from

1565
02:17:47,760 --> 02:17:50,520
our resources by putting high-density apartments.

1566
02:17:50,760 --> 02:17:51,780
That's all we're asking.

1567
02:17:53,360 --> 02:17:53,880
Mr. Rollins?

1568
02:17:54,140 --> 02:17:55,540
Yeah, I just want to address the issue.

1569
02:17:55,540 --> 02:18:02,640
There's the common comments that I've heard from the developers, lawyers that were against

1570
02:18:02,640 --> 02:18:03,240
all housing.

1571
02:18:04,440 --> 02:18:07,040
And I don't know who interpreted that in the planning board meeting.

1572
02:18:07,860 --> 02:18:11,440
But there's two facts that dispute that completely.

1573
02:18:12,140 --> 02:18:19,240
I was on the planning board when we redid M-U-2, where we allowed residential in there.

1574
02:18:19,560 --> 02:18:22,160
And we had a density of 14 units per acre.

1575
02:18:22,620 --> 02:18:24,800
At 17 units with a special permit.

1576
02:18:24,800 --> 02:18:27,980
We limited the land to 30 uses.

1577
02:18:28,320 --> 02:18:32,480
We had limits that said 60% of the non-residential has been done.

1578
02:18:33,220 --> 02:18:35,940
That's still a substantial project.

1579
02:18:36,560 --> 02:18:39,080
And I was one of the, there was a unanimous vote

1580
02:18:39,080 --> 02:18:39,860
to approve the zoning.

1581
02:18:40,180 --> 02:18:41,200
I was one of those.

1582
02:18:41,240 --> 02:18:42,020
I'm just going to go.

1583
02:18:42,220 --> 02:18:43,500
I'm just going to correct your, you mentioned planning

1584
02:18:43,500 --> 02:18:44,680
where you talked in City Council.

1585
02:18:44,680 --> 02:18:45,840
City Council, I'm sorry.

1586
02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:50,820
Yes, I was on the City Council, led the Legal Affairs Committee

1587
02:18:50,820 --> 02:18:55,660
and agreed to and voted for M-U-2, allowing residential.

1588
02:18:56,620 --> 02:19:04,160
So the myth that is out there that says that I didn't support or don't support residential

1589
02:19:04,160 --> 02:19:10,940
and development in word one is completely false and the record of that is in my actions.

1590
02:19:10,960 --> 02:19:13,080
I don't have to speak the words, the actions of there.

1591
02:19:13,080 --> 02:19:27,220
The petitioners also have, as a group, also have a very strong case, because the previous petition that was denied, reset the zoning back to what it was.

1592
02:19:27,640 --> 02:19:38,500
It didn't set it back to zero. It didn't set residential to no. It set it back to what was allowed under the Old M-U-2, which was still a substantial housing development.

1593
02:19:38,500 --> 02:19:53,620
So the myth that the petitioners or myself in some way don't want didn't want residential development in M.U.2 is completely false and those actions show that.

1594
02:19:54,420 --> 02:19:58,940
It's about reasonable growth, right?

1595
02:19:59,140 --> 02:20:04,540
We wanted to set the zoning back to reasonable growth, special permit on high density.

1596
02:20:04,540 --> 02:20:11,180
We talk about Brooks Pond. What is allowed on the books now will make Brooks Pond look like nothing?

1597
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:16,860
This place will be twice the size of Brooks Pond. This is the highest density

1598
02:20:17,560 --> 02:20:27,760
that I think of any project in the city and it expanded from 30 acres, which was the original control to keep it under control, to 80 acres.

1599
02:20:29,260 --> 02:20:38,480
80 acres at 21.74. That's a big, big number. And we know, I don't want to get into the

1600
02:20:38,480 --> 02:20:43,480
whole housing committee, but it was said down here by the person that led the housing

1601
02:20:43,480 --> 02:20:48,200
committee and the zoning changes that were submitted by the developer to the housing

1602
02:20:48,200 --> 02:20:53,740
committee, a public document for the zoning changes he want, and the consultant came down

1603
02:20:53,740 --> 02:20:59,420
here in a meeting and said, Mr. Rollins, we're not going to re-lit a gate any of that.

1604
02:20:59,500 --> 02:21:08,640
I appreciate it, and I appreciate that the main point is the fallacy that these petitioners

1605
02:21:09,280 --> 02:21:14,420
or myself as a word one consular were against housing, and I just want to make the other

1606
02:21:14,420 --> 02:21:14,720
point.

1607
02:21:15,060 --> 02:21:15,580
I agree.

1608
02:21:15,720 --> 02:21:22,380
If we had infrastructure in North Lemister, maybe we could do with more, that that's the exact

1609
02:21:22,380 --> 02:21:24,180
point, there is no infrastructure.

1610
02:21:24,740 --> 02:21:29,840
Room 13 is better than it was five years ago, because we painted stripes.

1611
02:21:30,700 --> 02:21:32,760
But you know what the next level of fixture is?

1612
02:21:33,020 --> 02:21:36,620
You're going to have to build a bridge, or widen a bridge, a widen route 13.

1613
02:21:36,860 --> 02:21:38,280
It's not going to happen in my lifetime.

1614
02:21:38,500 --> 02:21:40,020
We're at the best we're going to see.

1615
02:21:40,760 --> 02:21:42,800
And so we don't have the infrastructure.

1616
02:21:43,120 --> 02:21:48,260
So maybe other places in the city can have more density, more apartments.

1617
02:21:48,380 --> 02:21:49,480
We have a fair amount.

1618
02:21:49,480 --> 02:21:55,060
We don't want to get into business of counting because I don't think it serves anybody, but we don't have it

1619
02:21:55,060 --> 02:21:59,580
And anybody who says that Ruth 13 is not a disaster during rush hour.

1620
02:21:59,580 --> 02:22:03,440
I drive it every day for 35 years over 35 years.

1621
02:22:03,440 --> 02:22:04,940
It's broken up there.

1622
02:22:04,980 --> 02:22:06,180
We know it's broken.

1623
02:22:07,220 --> 02:22:08,360
Everybody knows it's broken.

1624
02:22:08,860 --> 02:22:13,940
Everybody you talked to anybody that talked about North Lemms or they talked about traffic being a disaster.

1625
02:22:14,460 --> 02:22:28,800
And we may not have the most departments, but I would put Nationalistry and Ruth Thirteen or Prosthifixry in Ruth Thirteen or all the neighborhoods where everybody comes and cuts through to get off of Thirteen traffic against any intersection in the city.

1626
02:22:29,460 --> 02:22:29,960
It may not be...

1627
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:36,600
So worse, but it's pretty bad, especially at rush hour. And it's not going to get better. If you build

1628
02:22:36,600 --> 02:22:41,540
one highway, the king, then I'm off for it. Build more apartments. You widen the bridge over

1629
02:22:41,540 --> 02:22:47,080
to Nashville, then build more housing. We don't have the infrastructure to feed it. And we are the

1630
02:22:47,080 --> 02:22:52,440
bill. I worked in New Hampshire. Guys would say to me, Dave, I come from Hollis Brookline, who are growing.

1631
02:22:52,740 --> 02:22:59,980
How do I get around the mess on 13? What roads, back roads do I have to follow to bypass it? It's going

1632
02:22:59,980 --> 02:23:05,720
to be growth up North, we don't need another thousand plus units in North Lomester.

1633
02:23:05,960 --> 02:23:06,680
We can't handle it.

1634
02:23:06,700 --> 02:23:10,480
It's going to have a negative impact on the quality of life there.

1635
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:17,360
So we reset the zoning back to what it was, which allowed a substantial project.

1636
02:23:17,720 --> 02:23:18,640
We lost that battle.

1637
02:23:19,020 --> 02:23:21,400
Now you build 290 units, you got that battle.

1638
02:23:21,800 --> 02:23:22,720
This is the last guess.

1639
02:23:22,980 --> 02:23:24,660
There's not going to be any residential up there.

1640
02:23:24,880 --> 02:23:26,120
There's not even going to be any factories.

1641
02:23:26,120 --> 02:23:31,840
Nobody's going to build a factory when you can sell the land at 22 units per acre for residential.

1642
02:23:32,420 --> 02:23:33,300
Nobody's going to pay

1643
02:23:34,060 --> 02:23:37,900
Retreat residential rates of land where you can build 22 units.

1644
02:23:38,100 --> 02:23:40,800
Nobody's going to put a factory to compete against that.

1645
02:23:41,120 --> 02:23:42,040
It's just not going to happen.

1646
02:23:42,080 --> 02:23:45,260
That land is premier big bucks money up there.

1647
02:23:45,440 --> 02:23:47,300
It's going to be made when you build a thousand units.

1648
02:23:47,900 --> 02:23:49,840
Nobody's building single family homes.

1649
02:23:50,140 --> 02:23:51,680
Nobody's building townhouses.

1650
02:23:51,680 --> 02:23:57,060
We had a chance to reset the zoning dead lost. This is the last gas. This is it

1651
02:23:57,060 --> 02:24:04,000
If you guys feel that you don't want to do anything about it, it's gonna be a maximum build out. It's gonna happen

1652
02:24:04,000 --> 02:24:06,620
He's fighting it tooth and nail

1653
02:24:07,180 --> 02:24:12,300
Because he fought to get 22 units. He fought to get an extra 50 acres residential

1654
02:24:12,300 --> 02:24:18,020
He's not gonna go back and say hey, I'm gonna do the right thing and put in a few houses and it's not gonna happen

1655
02:24:18,020 --> 02:24:20,360
So we got to we got a face reality

1656
02:24:21,900 --> 02:24:30,520
Okay, we're going to open it up, too, is there anyone here in the audience that would like to speak to 66-26?

1657
02:24:33,510 --> 02:24:33,850
Hey, Brady.

1658
02:24:34,510 --> 02:24:35,910
When we were talking about the war.

1659
02:24:35,910 --> 02:24:36,830
Sorry, Ms. Brady.

1660
02:24:37,490 --> 02:24:38,710
Name full name and address, please.

1661
02:24:38,970 --> 02:24:40,490
Hey, Brady, 200 Harvard Street.

1662
02:24:41,430 --> 02:24:43,750
When we were talking about the war, I thought it was interesting,

1663
02:24:44,170 --> 02:24:49,110
because I mean, two got changed right around about the same exact time as the MBTA.

1664
02:24:49,110 --> 02:24:56,710
And it was addressed by this council, that you recognize the traffic, you know, the concerns, the schools

1665
02:24:57,490 --> 02:25:05,230
Word one might not be able to handle it. So let's break up the MBTA and put it into different wards in the city.

1666
02:25:05,410 --> 02:25:16,410
So that we don't burden one ward. What doesn't make sense to me is with the MU2 change, you could have called that MBTA. Why did you burden ward two ward three?

1667
02:25:16,410 --> 02:25:23,210
You didn't have to, so in addition, you say we're one can't handle this, so let's break it up.

1668
02:25:23,450 --> 02:25:27,590
But then you give them something ten times bigger, more open, less restrictive.

1669
02:25:28,710 --> 02:25:30,230
It just, it didn't make sense to me.

1670
02:25:30,710 --> 02:25:34,930
And then, everybody's going to vote the way they feel, however.

1671
02:25:36,550 --> 02:25:42,270
But what, what's the process for the public to enact change?

1672
02:25:43,650 --> 02:25:46,190
You're involved in that process, right now.

1673
02:25:46,950 --> 02:25:47,030
Okay.

1674
02:25:47,390 --> 02:25:48,030
Just to clarify.

1675
02:25:48,450 --> 02:25:48,990
Yeah, absolutely.

1676
02:25:49,470 --> 02:25:51,030
When we came before you in December,

1677
02:25:53,110 --> 02:25:54,450
you agreed with some of the sentiments.

1678
02:25:55,150 --> 02:25:57,110
You know, this wasn't the vehicle to get here.

1679
02:25:57,150 --> 02:25:58,550
I believe it was the direct quote.

1680
02:25:59,270 --> 02:26:07,890
You know, another quote was, if you come back with a petition next month with everything we discussed here today, we would support it.

1681
02:26:07,890 --> 02:26:16,790
we did, but little did we know that mass general law puts a two year ban on that, and the

1682
02:26:16,790 --> 02:26:24,370
petition was not given leave to withdraw. It was requested by one of the officials. It was

1683
02:26:24,370 --> 02:26:30,750
not allowed. So you told us to come back with a petition, but prevented us the vehicle from doing so.

1684
02:26:30,950 --> 02:26:34,450
We didn't prevent that. That was the mass general laws that prevented you.

1685
02:26:34,450 --> 02:26:42,470
Actually, the planning board, it was allowed by the planning board approved it could have come back within a two year limit based on a decision by called minipage.

1686
02:26:42,970 --> 02:26:45,550
The planning board voted not to send it back to you.

1687
02:26:45,830 --> 02:26:50,390
This council did not allow it to be given leave to withdraw.

1688
02:26:51,330 --> 02:26:52,630
That prevented it.

1689
02:26:52,630 --> 02:26:54,290
It got forced to evoke.

1690
02:26:54,750 --> 02:27:03,350
On top of that, I've reached out to multiple, you know, as legal affairs, I've shown up with the meetings asked for guidance.

1691
02:27:03,350 --> 02:27:11,210
how can we get here? Because, one work with you guys. I don't, nobody wants to stop housing.

1692
02:27:11,810 --> 02:27:17,190
So I have some buffer zones. Maybe a special permit so that if it is this crazy density project,

1693
02:27:17,710 --> 02:27:22,810
you could say, hey, it's a dangerous street. Let's put some sidewalks in. The special permit,

1694
02:27:22,890 --> 02:27:29,870
giving them buy right, complete openness. They don't have to give the city anything. You have no mechanism.

1695
02:27:29,870 --> 02:27:37,870
The planning board has no mechanism. You've limited conservation's mechanisms and you've taken away any public input

1696
02:27:37,870 --> 02:27:39,950
We don't even have to be notified

1697
02:27:39,950 --> 02:27:46,870
They could put a thousand units up there tomorrow. They don't have to notify the above the fathers and there doesn't need to be any buffers

1698
02:27:46,870 --> 02:27:48,930
It's just common sense things

1699
02:27:48,930 --> 02:27:56,450
This isn't the petition. I would have particularly like to see because I don't care about building more housing. I'd prefer that

1700
02:27:56,450 --> 02:27:57,450
but

1701
02:27:57,450 --> 02:28:05,750
I prefer the city have some rules in place, some stops, some mechanisms, you're leaving everything up to the developer.

1702
02:28:06,610 --> 02:28:14,690
And what they've done with the least sellable parcel, covered in wetlands, certified vernal pool.

1703
02:28:15,710 --> 02:28:21,490
The fact that they were able to market and sell that, it's wide open on the rest of the acreage.

1704
02:28:21,490 --> 02:28:24,260
This was the least desirable. I grew up here

1705
02:28:25,310 --> 02:28:27,690
No one thought this could have been built out

1706
02:28:27,690 --> 02:28:33,970
But you removed every stop gives them the highest density of course they can build it out now. Now. It's marketable

1707
02:28:35,010 --> 02:28:36,090
in the

1708
02:28:36,090 --> 02:28:39,090
role of all the residents while they do it

1709
02:28:39,090 --> 02:28:44,650
Simple things just wanted maybe a sidewalk on one side of Harvard Street because I watched

1710
02:28:44,650 --> 02:28:50,670
My disabled neighbor try to get the wheelchair down while it's this near you can't even ask that

1711
02:28:50,670 --> 02:28:53,810
You don't have the right to ask that of the developer as a city.

1712
02:28:54,370 --> 02:28:55,410
It's ass-in-I.

1713
02:28:56,750 --> 02:28:59,790
You can't request that they throw money at the schools

1714
02:28:59,790 --> 02:29:02,010
if they wanted to do a thousand units and make all this money.

1715
02:29:02,690 --> 02:29:07,490
You've given up all of your tools as residents,

1716
02:29:07,950 --> 02:29:09,890
just like to know how do we work with you?

1717
02:29:10,170 --> 02:29:14,110
Because you've removed all those options as well.

1718
02:29:17,360 --> 02:29:17,980
Thanks, Neil.

1719
02:29:18,600 --> 02:29:19,300
Thank you, Ms. Brady.

1720
02:29:19,540 --> 02:29:22,480
Is there any other members of the, in the audience here

1721
02:29:22,480 --> 02:29:25,980
that would like to speak in favor of her against 66-26.

1722
02:29:29,720 --> 02:29:33,660
My name is Lisa Contreras, I'm the Vette 68 Clone Wave Road.

1723
02:29:34,240 --> 02:29:37,880
Every day I have to be in Westminster at 3.30,

1724
02:29:38,260 --> 02:29:42,020
coming off a prospect tree and I take a left on to root 13.

1725
02:29:42,340 --> 02:29:44,660
I can't begin to tell you the amount of times

1726
02:29:44,660 --> 02:29:47,320
I've had to sit there through a green light.

1727
02:29:47,560 --> 02:29:49,280
I can't take a right.

1728
02:29:49,540 --> 02:29:53,640
Click, thread, then they're going to root 13.

1729
02:29:53,640 --> 02:29:59,980
My green light in a lot of times I can't even go for a second granted. It's you know particular times

1730
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:15,660
During the day, it's awful. And to have to sit there in a green light, it's not able to take my left. They get to work when I need to. It's a little ridiculous. So that's my personal experience on the daily basis. Thank you.

1731
02:30:15,860 --> 02:30:17,060
Thank you, Ms. Contreras.

1732
02:30:18,380 --> 02:30:28,240
Okay, before I get to the final request from the audience, I do have a number of emails

1733
02:30:28,240 --> 02:30:33,580
that were sent and it would be my pleasure to read them all.

1734
02:30:34,020 --> 02:30:39,260
These are taken in no particular order, they're in the order that they were printed.

1735
02:30:40,500 --> 02:30:47,980
So, this is a dress present for you to encounter slurs.

1736
02:30:48,700 --> 02:30:50,120
This is

1737
02:30:52,360 --> 02:30:55,800
actually this one is a dress to Elizabeth Thorin, our city clerk.

1738
02:30:56,920 --> 02:31:02,020
I would like my letter Reddit City Council meeting on 824-26 since I am unable to attend.

1739
02:31:02,160 --> 02:31:05,280
As a lifelong resident of the city, I'm asking the city council to vote.

1740
02:31:05,280 --> 02:31:12,960
Yes, on petition, 66-26, the change, the table of M-U-2, zoning table of uses for residential

1741
02:31:12,960 --> 02:31:14,760
use from, yes to no.

1742
02:31:15,400 --> 02:31:19,200
This change will help the city manage and control the ability of developers to overlap.

1743
02:31:19,800 --> 02:31:24,900
Overdevelop areas in the city by right without the necessary detailed impact analysis on

1744
02:31:24,900 --> 02:31:25,940
all areas impacted.

1745
02:31:26,340 --> 02:31:30,440
This change will help limit the ability of developers to avoid the necessary complete and

1746
02:31:30,440 --> 02:31:35,160
thorough impact studies on an entire development plan by breaking it into phases.

1747
02:31:35,160 --> 02:31:39,940
and sub-projects as is being done for the Orchard Hills Development Project phase approach.

1748
02:31:40,520 --> 02:31:45,760
This vote is also a chance for the City Council to correct flawed and poured past actions

1749
02:31:45,760 --> 02:31:50,700
and decisions that will have to continue to have significant negative impact on the city

1750
02:31:50,700 --> 02:31:54,300
and its residents due to lack of the necessary understanding of the real impacts.

1751
02:31:55,180 --> 02:31:59,840
The significant impact of the past MU2 zoning changes has become painfully obvious

1752
02:31:59,840 --> 02:32:05,860
and Ward 1, resulting in the likely addition of 1,000 multi-family units in an area that already

1753
02:32:05,860 --> 02:32:08,320
has major traffic and infrastructure challenges.

1754
02:32:09,140 --> 02:32:14,060
Please do the right thing for the residents of Lemister and vote yes on petition 66-26.

1755
02:32:14,280 --> 02:32:15,320
Thank you.

1756
02:32:15,660 --> 02:32:18,840
Stephen White of 35 scenic drive Lemister.

1757
02:32:23,180 --> 02:32:29,960
This email was received on August 23rd at 704 AM, Dear Council President Frieda, Council

1758
02:32:29,960 --> 02:32:35,020
Vice President Coemier, Counselor Ardinger, Counselor Schallofo, Zephyr, Counselor Robbins,

1759
02:32:35,300 --> 02:32:39,480
Counselor Ramero, Counselor David Coemier, Counselor Bedanza, and Counselor Norosworthy.

1760
02:32:40,280 --> 02:32:44,580
I am writing to ask that this letter be entered into the public record and to respectfully

1761
02:32:45,140 --> 02:32:49,260
but strongly urge you to vote yes on petition 66-26.

1762
02:32:50,120 --> 02:32:54,380
I've lived in a limister for all 59 years of my life, including in Ward 1.

1763
02:32:54,660 --> 02:32:59,320
I chose to make my home here because it is a mature, stable neighborhood, and the kind

1764
02:32:59,320 --> 02:33:04,020
place where people want to put down roots and raise their families. I am not opposed to housing.

1765
02:33:04,580 --> 02:33:09,380
I am not opposed to responsible development. Nearly 300 new residential units are already

1766
02:33:09,380 --> 02:33:13,780
coming into this area. My concern is what happens next. There needs to be reasonable

1767
02:33:13,780 --> 02:33:19,120
balance between housing, nature, infrastructure, public services, traffic, and most importantly,

1768
02:33:19,540 --> 02:33:24,700
the safety and quality of life of the people who already live here. We are already struggling

1769
02:33:24,700 --> 02:33:29,580
with that balance. Harvard Street, for example, traffic and safety conditions have reached

1770
02:33:29,580 --> 02:33:34,140
the point where I do not consider portions of this road safely walkable. We have children

1771
02:33:34,140 --> 02:33:38,440
standing along these roads waiting for school buses. Now we are preparing to add hundreds

1772
02:33:38,440 --> 02:33:43,120
of new residents and their vehicles without first understanding the full impact of nearly

1773
02:33:43,120 --> 02:33:49,820
300 units that have already been approved. We would, we would, why would we leave the door

1774
02:33:49,820 --> 02:33:53,220
open to potentially hundreds more before we understand the consequences.

1775
02:33:53,940 --> 02:33:58,700
I am also deeply disappointed in how residents experience this entire process, a project

1776
02:33:58,700 --> 02:34:03,300
to fundamentally alter word one should have involved extraordinary transparency, communication

1777
02:34:03,300 --> 02:34:05,700
and collaboration with the people who live here.

1778
02:34:06,140 --> 02:34:10,960
Instead, many residents were left trying to understand decisions after they were already moving

1779
02:34:10,960 --> 02:34:11,300
forward.

1780
02:34:11,700 --> 02:34:16,160
From the local process through the state level, it has felt like residents have to chase

1781
02:34:16,160 --> 02:34:21,100
information rather than being meaningfully included in decisions that will permanently change

1782
02:34:21,100 --> 02:34:21,640
our neighborhood.

1783
02:34:21,840 --> 02:34:24,780
That is not how a decision of this magnitude should be in happen.

1784
02:34:25,360 --> 02:34:28,600
I would like that officials are there to represent the people of Lemister, the interests

1785
02:34:28,600 --> 02:34:32,780
of the residents who live here, race families here pay taxes here, and we'll live with

1786
02:34:32,780 --> 02:34:36,580
these decisions for decades, must carry a more weight than the financial interests of

1787
02:34:36,580 --> 02:34:39,260
national developers who stand to profit from them.

1788
02:34:39,480 --> 02:34:44,780
The 295 units are coming, let us see the real impact on traffic schools, emergency services,

1789
02:34:44,780 --> 02:34:54,180
infrastructure safety in our community before opening the door to hundreds more you have an opportunity now to restore some balance and give the city greater control over what happens next.

1790
02:34:54,720 --> 02:35:02,820
As you cast your vote, I ask you to remember something very simple. You represent us vote for us. Please vote yes on petition to 66-26.

1791
02:35:02,820 --> 02:35:03,140
26.

1792
02:35:04,140 --> 02:35:07,340
Respectfully, Keith Lippelank, Ward 1, Lemonster.

1793
02:35:07,980 --> 02:35:12,100
He does not include his address, so I'm going to include his email.

1794
02:35:12,440 --> 02:35:16,720
It's K-R-Lippelank13 at gmail.com.

1795
02:35:22,880 --> 02:35:23,560
Okay.

1796
02:35:24,220 --> 02:35:25,760
We have another one here.

1797
02:35:28,780 --> 02:35:32,340
Address to a moment.

1798
02:35:32,800 --> 02:35:37,620
President Frieda and Consolus, please see the email below regarding petition 66-26.

1799
02:35:38,980 --> 02:35:44,260
This good morning, my name is Irene Butler, and I'm a resident on Brown Ave.

1800
02:35:44,480 --> 02:35:47,800
I moved here 40 years ago to escape the city atmosphere.

1801
02:35:48,620 --> 02:35:53,500
Personally, I think it's disgusting and sad that people with tremendous funds and resources

1802
02:35:53,500 --> 02:35:56,960
can impact entire communities without caring about the impact.

1803
02:35:57,560 --> 02:36:02,900
I understand that there will be apartment buildings going in, sadly, no one seems to

1804
02:36:02,900 --> 02:36:04,720
care about wetlands and its prevention.

1805
02:36:04,720 --> 02:36:11,800
But I am begging you to please vote yes on 66-26 to limit the amount of damage being done to our area.

1806
02:36:12,360 --> 02:36:18,620
I had once heard the expression to whom great things are given, great things are expected.

1807
02:36:19,220 --> 02:36:28,840
To Mr. Laskati and his associates, I am asking that they put themselves in our position and ask themselves if they would want this type of development done in their backyard.

1808
02:36:28,840 --> 02:36:37,260
We do not have the schools infrastructure, EMS, or police support for this many new homes

1809
02:36:37,260 --> 02:36:38,600
that are going in this area.

1810
02:36:39,280 --> 02:36:43,100
Try to compare the limister of 30 years ago.

1811
02:36:43,700 --> 02:36:48,360
We've lost species of salamanders, frogs, the light pollution, the lack of trees.

1812
02:36:48,820 --> 02:36:49,820
When is enough enough?

1813
02:36:50,020 --> 02:36:54,280
I pray that you all act in our best interest and support the limiting of this project.

1814
02:36:54,280 --> 02:36:59,600
Thank you Irene Butler, and she did not provide her address.

1815
02:37:00,960 --> 02:37:03,460
I'll brown-outs, sorry I did read that in the beginning.

1816
02:37:05,980 --> 02:37:08,000
We have another one, good morning.

1817
02:37:08,720 --> 02:37:12,260
I am unable to make the meeting this evening, but would like my comments right into the

1818
02:37:12,260 --> 02:37:13,420
public record please.

1819
02:37:14,200 --> 02:37:17,620
I have been a resident of Ward 1 for 32 years.

1820
02:37:18,300 --> 02:37:21,460
In that time, I have seen the buildout of the Orchard Hill area.

1821
02:37:21,460 --> 02:37:29,960
It has been absorbed with too much impact with the exception of being during the holiday season when the amount of traffic.

1822
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:40,540
traffic in that area can be downright nauseating. Can the word one residents, roads, EMS schools, etc. absorb 300 units without major impacts.

1823
02:37:41,460 --> 02:37:49,660
The decision has already been made at another 700 units on top of that and I think you are boarding on insanity.

1824
02:37:50,740 --> 02:37:59,920
I cycle in this area all the time and can only imagine what a thousand units of housing is going to do to my anxiety level as I attempt to negotiate my way toward

1825
02:37:59,920 --> 02:38:02,140
surely devins in air.

1826
02:38:02,600 --> 02:38:07,120
Let us also not forget what happens when an accident occurs in a route to copious amounts

1827
02:38:07,120 --> 02:38:11,580
of traffic flood on to Nashville, Harvard, Prospect, Lawrence, etc.

1828
02:38:12,420 --> 02:38:17,240
The accident that brought the pull down a route to one of Saturday during this past spring

1829
02:38:17,240 --> 02:38:21,000
caused massive gridlock and wood one that lasted for hours.

1830
02:38:21,780 --> 02:38:27,460
So 300 units, okay, 1000 units for wood one, absolutely absurd.

1831
02:38:27,460 --> 02:38:33,340
Please use some common sense and limit the build-out to 300 units.

1832
02:38:33,600 --> 02:38:39,540
Take some time to see how this will impact Ward 1 and then reassess over a period of time.

1833
02:38:39,800 --> 02:38:42,460
Please vote yes on petition 66-26.

1834
02:38:43,360 --> 02:38:47,200
Sincerely, Luke, Malard, Sacramento Drive.

1835
02:38:53,280 --> 02:38:58,480
And this was sent to from Angela K Hill to our city clerk Elizabeth.

1836
02:38:58,480 --> 02:39:05,820
we are unable to attend the City Council meeting on 824-2026. In our absence, can you please read

1837
02:39:05,820 --> 02:39:10,220
our letter at the meeting. As a 40-year resident at the same address in the city,

1838
02:39:10,320 --> 02:39:16,460
a semester, we are asking the City Council to vote yes on petition 66-26 to change the

1839
02:39:16,460 --> 02:39:23,900
table of MU2 zoning table of uses for residential use from a yes to a null. This petition controls

1840
02:39:23,900 --> 02:39:29,020
whether we have 290 apartments or potentially 1,000 plus apartments in Ward 1.

1841
02:39:29,980 --> 02:39:34,780
It is the difference between 9 apartment buildings and potentially 30 apartment buildings.

1842
02:39:35,820 --> 02:39:39,820
Please, no more high-density apartment complexes in Ward 1.

1843
02:39:40,460 --> 02:39:44,420
Ward 1 is certainly going to bear enough with 290 residential units.

1844
02:39:44,960 --> 02:39:51,380
Our schools, EMS, fire, and police are not being increased to compensate for this buildout.

1845
02:39:51,380 --> 02:39:56,380
much less the additional potential build-outs being discussed, you need to be able to control

1846
02:39:56,380 --> 02:40:02,120
the ability of developers to over-develop areas in the city by right without the necessary

1847
02:40:02,740 --> 02:40:06,580
detailed impact analysis on all areas impacted.

1848
02:40:07,340 --> 02:40:13,340
If this use table is left uncorrected, it will dramatically change the school's traffic emergency

1849
02:40:13,340 --> 02:40:16,180
services and the quality of life in one one.

1850
02:40:16,180 --> 02:40:27,360
Why doesn't it not make sense that we let these first 290 apartment units be built and see what happens before expanding the volumes 2 to 3 times?

1851
02:40:27,880 --> 02:40:31,320
This would allow us to understand the real impact.

1852
02:40:31,600 --> 02:40:36,900
This is the last chance for Lemmester to city council to take control of the gave up.

1853
02:40:36,900 --> 02:40:41,380
Please do the right thing for the residents of Lemmester and vote yes on 66-26.

1854
02:40:41,380 --> 02:40:44,940
Thanks. Thank you Angela and John K Hill, 22 peer street,

1855
02:40:45,280 --> 02:40:46,000
Love and Stermas.

1856
02:40:48,110 --> 02:40:49,230
Keep feeding me more.

1857
02:40:51,270 --> 02:40:56,890
And this one here is addressed to President Freedett and

1858
02:40:56,890 --> 02:41:03,350
Counselors. It's from Surge, Pan 49 Sky Lane,

1859
02:41:03,350 --> 02:41:08,190
Lemonster. This is a regarding the public hearing for August 24,

1860
02:41:08,190 --> 02:41:17,450
26-15 PM, honorable council is I right in support of a yes vote on petition 66-26.

1861
02:41:18,610 --> 02:41:23,730
What this vote is not, it is not a vote on the Orchard Hill Park project already approved

1862
02:41:23,730 --> 02:41:32,510
for parcel E. Those approvals are vested in under General Law, Chapter 40, a section 6, a subsequent

1863
02:41:32,510 --> 02:41:38,030
zoning amendment cannot reach them. No one is asking the council to unwind a permitted

1864
02:41:38,030 --> 02:41:46,550
project and a yes vote creates no such exposure. The question before you is narrower

1865
02:41:46,550 --> 02:41:52,450
and entirely perspective, what happens on the balance of the MU2 district. What this

1866
02:41:52,450 --> 02:41:58,230
vote is under the current table of uses, apartment and multifamily dwelling is permitted

1867
02:41:58,230 --> 02:42:06,110
as of right in mixed use to parcel e according parcel e accounts for roughly 18 of the districts

1868
02:42:06,110 --> 02:42:12,150
approximately 80 acres on the remaining acreage, nearly all of it in Ward 1.

1869
02:42:12,770 --> 02:42:20,310
The same use may also be by right at the same density without a special permit and without

1870
02:42:20,310 --> 02:42:22,090
further vote of this council.

1871
02:42:23,130 --> 02:42:29,710
The council's role in the largest land use decision in this Ward's history is under the

1872
02:42:29,710 --> 02:42:37,350
businesses written already complete petition 66-26 read stores it. Infrastructure has not been

1873
02:42:37,350 --> 02:42:44,250
sized for the entitlement. Ward 1's approval units, Ward 1's approved units will draw on

1874
02:42:44,250 --> 02:42:50,470
schools and emergency services for which no corresponding capacity has been funded and will

1875
02:42:50,470 --> 02:42:56,650
load a limit street network, Harvard streets, Sky Lane and what should Hill Park Drive

1876
02:42:56,650 --> 02:42:58,930
feeding route to mechanic street.

1877
02:42:59,330 --> 02:43:07,530
The city has approved the demand without appropriating the supply to leave by right entitlement

1878
02:43:07,530 --> 02:43:13,490
in place for several multiples on that demand before a single unit of the first phase

1879
02:43:13,490 --> 02:43:15,170
is occupied is not planning.

1880
02:43:15,590 --> 02:43:16,370
It is deferral.

1881
02:43:17,270 --> 02:43:19,410
LeMister has always grown by absorption.

1882
02:43:19,850 --> 02:43:22,830
The city's character was built neighborhood by neighborhood.

1883
02:43:22,830 --> 02:43:25,990
that each increment absorbed before the next began.

1884
02:43:26,730 --> 02:43:29,830
That is the growth this council has historically stewarded,

1885
02:43:30,390 --> 02:43:33,570
and it is the opposite of a single unreliable entitlement

1886
02:43:33,570 --> 02:43:38,970
for a thousand plus units concentrated in one ward, in ward one.

1887
02:43:39,590 --> 02:43:42,730
The reasonable course is to let the approved phase be built,

1888
02:43:43,110 --> 02:43:46,630
measure it to fix on the schools, the roads, and the response times,

1889
02:43:46,790 --> 02:43:48,650
and then legislate from evidence.

1890
02:43:48,650 --> 02:43:57,290
The current titlement produces only product only, one product only, as written mixed use

1891
02:43:57,290 --> 02:44:03,750
to permits by right a single residential form, large-scale rental multi-family, it creates

1892
02:44:03,750 --> 02:44:10,550
no path at any density for townhouses, condominiums, or starrer homes that will let

1893
02:44:10,550 --> 02:44:16,170
lemonster families move from renting to owning in the community where they already live,

1894
02:44:16,170 --> 02:44:26,130
A city with real housing need is not well served by a zone that can supply only whichever product is most profitable to build.

1895
02:44:26,390 --> 02:44:35,410
A yes vote returns to this council be authority to require a genuine mix of housing types and tenures on the remaining acreage.

1896
02:44:36,010 --> 02:44:42,670
On the legal posture, the planning board held its hearing on this petition on July 20, 2026,

1897
02:44:43,070 --> 02:44:47,150
and the requirements of General Lodge Act of 48A Section 5 have been satisfied.

1898
02:44:47,770 --> 02:44:52,990
I would respectfully ask the Council to confirm on the record with the planning and development

1899
02:44:52,990 --> 02:44:59,970
director of that MU2 is not the district relied upon to the city's compliance with General Lodge Act.

1900
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:07,920
40A, section 3A. My understanding is that LEMONS and BTA communities zoning was adopted separately

1901
02:45:07,920 --> 02:45:15,780
and have so nothing in petition 66-26, disturbs the city's compliance or its great eligibility

1902
02:45:15,780 --> 02:45:24,140
or its grant eligibility. Finally, I want to be clear that a yes vote is not a pause, not a prohibition.

1903
02:45:24,140 --> 02:45:31,520
I would support a calibrated M-U-2 residential standard, special permit review, phasing, and

1904
02:45:31,520 --> 02:45:36,160
a required mix of ownership and rental housing brought back to this council on its own

1905
02:45:36,160 --> 02:45:36,620
terms.

1906
02:45:36,980 --> 02:45:42,940
What I cannot support is leaving an unlimited by-right entitlement in place while the work goes

1907
02:45:42,940 --> 02:45:43,680
undone.

1908
02:45:43,900 --> 02:45:51,600
I respectfully urge a yes vote on petition 66-26, respectfully submitted surge, pan, PhD.

1909
02:45:55,470 --> 02:45:56,190
That's all I got.

1910
02:45:56,190 --> 02:46:01,170
thank you. Again another email dated.

1911
02:46:01,330 --> 02:46:02,870
How many more of these do you have?

1912
02:46:03,870 --> 02:46:05,370
One, two, three, four,

1913
02:46:07,860 --> 02:46:08,400
ten.

1914
02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:12,140
Is this something we're going to start doing that in President?

1915
02:46:13,220 --> 02:46:16,520
I mean obviously I think that attorney would agree that this is discretionary.

1916
02:46:17,100 --> 02:46:19,640
We don't need, there's no requirement that we read these.

1917
02:46:19,860 --> 02:46:20,240
Right, right.

1918
02:46:20,680 --> 02:46:22,980
You all have them.

1919
02:46:23,120 --> 02:46:24,040
Yeah, we have them.

1920
02:46:24,040 --> 02:46:32,760
I think you can read the names if they all have, if you,

1921
02:46:32,760 --> 02:46:37,180
you know there's a lot of the century that says, and we can put,

1922
02:46:37,400 --> 02:46:41,220
read the name and address of those, and that there will be on file,

1923
02:46:41,860 --> 02:46:44,120
and go, and yes, okay.

1924
02:46:45,820 --> 02:46:49,460
We do have a Francis, excuse me,

1925
02:46:50,900 --> 02:46:54,980
For a quarter, Madam President, I think if we are not going to read the rest of them

1926
02:46:54,980 --> 02:46:58,800
into the record, I think we should have a vote on that.

1927
02:47:02,260 --> 02:47:07,900
Constituents emailed with the understanding over the expectation that they could not attend

1928
02:47:07,900 --> 02:47:12,780
the hearing, the public hearing, and they wanted their emails and their letters read into

1929
02:47:12,780 --> 02:47:13,640
the public record.

1930
02:47:14,440 --> 02:47:19,500
So if somebody wants to change that, I think everybody needs to go on the record about

1931
02:47:19,500 --> 02:47:20,380
how they feel about that.

1932
02:47:20,380 --> 02:47:24,260
So I would propose a vote if that's what we're going to do.

1933
02:47:24,800 --> 02:47:28,040
Madam President, if I may, we have a vote in all fairness.

1934
02:47:28,440 --> 02:47:32,020
There's a vote for more e-mails from constituents.

1935
02:47:32,580 --> 02:47:33,480
Oh, for more of that.

1936
02:47:33,800 --> 02:47:36,780
We have three letters from the attorneys.

1937
02:47:39,240 --> 02:47:43,320
So in all fairness, the attorneys' letters should be read as well.

1938
02:47:43,600 --> 02:47:46,480
So I would just as well finish these four e-mails.

1939
02:47:46,820 --> 02:47:49,180
We'll move on to the attorney's letters just in fairness.

1940
02:47:49,180 --> 02:47:51,200
the attorneys may be reading their own

1941
02:47:51,200 --> 02:47:54,120
at when the go to the public.

1942
02:47:55,260 --> 02:47:55,440
So.

1943
02:47:57,040 --> 02:47:59,420
I just thank for the future for future reference.

1944
02:47:59,880 --> 02:48:00,060
Maybe.

1945
02:48:00,200 --> 02:48:01,020
We have the option.

1946
02:48:01,280 --> 02:48:02,900
Who is my call to read them.

1947
02:48:03,320 --> 02:48:03,340
Yeah.

1948
02:48:03,340 --> 02:48:05,180
You know, I talked to the attorney earlier.

1949
02:48:05,460 --> 02:48:06,120
All right.

1950
02:48:06,200 --> 02:48:07,040
Thank you.

1951
02:48:07,240 --> 02:48:07,440
Okay.

1952
02:48:07,520 --> 02:48:08,400
This is.

1953
02:48:08,620 --> 02:48:09,200
Good day to you, Mr.

1954
02:48:09,980 --> 02:48:10,420
Dorian.

1955
02:48:10,480 --> 02:48:13,720
I am writing to you about petition 66-26.

1956
02:48:14,420 --> 02:48:15,180
Tonight's agenda.

1957
02:48:15,340 --> 02:48:17,280
I would be there tonight, but I'm currently out of town.

1958
02:48:17,400 --> 02:48:18,640
I would like to encourage the city council

1959
02:48:18,640 --> 02:48:20,700
the vote, yes, on 66-26.

1960
02:48:21,260 --> 02:48:23,620
We need to stop any additional residential development

1961
02:48:23,620 --> 02:48:25,780
on the remaining land on that zone.

1962
02:48:26,180 --> 02:48:27,940
I was born and raised on Jocelyn Street.

1963
02:48:28,120 --> 02:48:30,360
There was our house, the Flynn's and the NAS FARM.

1964
02:48:30,420 --> 02:48:32,120
Up on Jocelyn Hill was the Harris Farm

1965
02:48:32,120 --> 02:48:33,640
and one older house on the corner

1966
02:48:33,640 --> 02:48:35,700
for Cheryl Fruit Farm in their home.

1967
02:48:36,020 --> 02:48:37,560
And so I went to House, that's it.

1968
02:48:37,560 --> 02:48:39,440
We would see about 60 to 10 cars a week.

1969
02:48:39,700 --> 02:48:41,080
Now at any given time of day,

1970
02:48:41,200 --> 02:48:43,600
you see, 60 to 10 cars in less than seven minutes.

1971
02:48:44,460 --> 02:48:46,300
It's most crazy during prime drive time.

1972
02:48:46,360 --> 02:48:48,580
People use Jocelyn Street as their own personal race

1973
02:48:48,580 --> 02:48:53,420
track a short cut to bypass a void in Main Street, root 13. Most of these people did not even

1974
02:48:53,420 --> 02:48:57,360
live in our neighborhood. The race track enthusiast has seen not to realize that there

1975
02:48:57,360 --> 02:49:02,880
is a new neighborhood here, a nice white court that loves to test out the gears. And then

1976
02:49:02,880 --> 02:49:06,820
has to slam on the brakes as families are walking. We were kids, we played in the streets

1977
02:49:06,820 --> 02:49:10,620
until the street lights come on. We walked through an ass as field to go to school in North

1978
02:49:10,620 --> 02:49:16,200
Lomester Elementary, J.A. Then they make us take a school bus because we had no sidewalks.

1979
02:49:16,200 --> 02:49:20,000
half hour later we made it to school and then we cut through the field it was about five minutes.

1980
02:49:20,700 --> 02:49:24,780
We still didn't have adequate sidewalks on jocelyn and day streets, day street is another

1981
02:49:24,780 --> 02:49:25,360
racetrack.

1982
02:49:25,580 --> 02:49:27,720
I see the cruiser out there catching the speeders.

1983
02:49:27,960 --> 02:49:30,140
I wish they would do a traffic study on lower jocelyn.

1984
02:49:30,480 --> 02:49:34,360
I have a spot in my driveway that the cruiser could park and write up a few dozen tickets.

1985
02:49:35,720 --> 02:49:39,200
All in all we don't need what they've planned to build now, we don't need any future residential

1986
02:49:39,200 --> 02:49:40,240
units to be built.

1987
02:49:40,360 --> 02:49:45,280
We don't have the schools, the police, fire, EMS, services, water services will be

1988
02:49:45,280 --> 02:49:52,220
I believe that there are some of the older buildings in the city that should be refurbished for the seniors at a rate that's affordable to them

1989
02:49:52,220 --> 02:49:54,720
Not buildings $2,500 and up units

1990
02:49:54,720 --> 02:50:03,260
to help the people from Boston to move here because it's cheaper. They're going to build units and make it affordable for our citizens. Thank you for your time

1991
02:50:03,260 --> 02:50:10,680
For answers. I know I'm going to slaughter this name. It's a pair of blue suits. Papazuski

1992
02:50:10,680 --> 02:50:12,400
vote yes on

1993
02:50:12,400 --> 02:50:13,860
66-26

1994
02:50:15,580 --> 02:50:18,720
The C-Mail is dated August 24th, 2026,

1995
02:50:18,960 --> 02:50:20,540
Dear City Council President Counselors,

1996
02:50:20,680 --> 02:50:23,420
I am writing to express my support in favor of the M-U-2.

1997
02:50:23,640 --> 02:50:27,940
Sowning Change Petition 66-26 to stop additional residential use.

1998
02:50:28,240 --> 02:50:30,760
I am requesting that my letter be read into the public record

1999
02:50:30,760 --> 02:50:33,660
requesting for a yes vote on Petition 66-26.

2000
02:50:34,120 --> 02:50:38,400
The change the M-U-2 zoning table of uses from Y to N,

2001
02:50:38,600 --> 02:50:40,120
Yes to know for residential use.

2002
02:50:40,660 --> 02:50:42,640
The city cannot handle the increased rate of growth

2003
02:50:42,640 --> 02:50:46,640
we are currently under a water ban, where is the additional necessary water going to come

2004
02:50:46,640 --> 02:50:50,880
front to supply these new developments? Without building new schools, hiring more police

2005
02:50:50,880 --> 02:50:55,340
officers emergency services and city maintenance workers, I see a very poor and result.

2006
02:50:55,540 --> 02:50:59,480
The city that can't keep up and is eventually drained, resulting in poor quality of life

2007
02:50:59,480 --> 02:51:03,780
for all involved. Residents of a ward 1 will be paying a huge price for the original zoning

2008
02:51:03,780 --> 02:51:08,320
change in the areas of noise, traffic, over congestion, and perhaps lower property values

2009
02:51:08,320 --> 02:51:13,060
this huge development, and our neighborhood is going to forever alter our way of life.

2010
02:51:13,820 --> 02:51:17,540
And I speak also for the inhabitants of our neighborhood that do not have a voice, the

2011
02:51:17,540 --> 02:51:21,400
wildlife that are being driven from their homes, left to roam the streets, dangerously

2012
02:51:21,400 --> 02:51:23,440
close to a major highway and train tracks.

2013
02:51:23,540 --> 02:51:26,600
This is why I'm requesting a yes vote of petition 66-26.

2014
02:51:27,200 --> 02:51:34,260
The change the M.U.2 zoning table of uses from a yes to a no for residential use, respectively

2015
02:51:34,260 --> 02:51:39,200
the Carolina Lane of 3, 2, 3, 8, Ridgewood Drive, Lemonster.

2016
02:51:42,530 --> 02:51:44,570
President, Frida and Counselors,

2017
02:51:45,150 --> 02:51:48,450
hello, I haven't sent a letter to the Council before, so please let me know if I'm

2018
02:51:48,450 --> 02:51:55,190
missing information. Hello, I would like to comment my opposition to on petition 66-26,

2019
02:51:55,370 --> 02:51:59,970
the effect of this petition could be far fewer homes built. The concerns raised about development

2020
02:51:59,970 --> 02:52:04,290
in this area due to the proximity with wetlands can, it should be addressed directly by the

2021
02:52:04,290 --> 02:52:08,930
Council changing rules about buffered distance and runoff without restricting new development.

2022
02:52:09,390 --> 02:52:13,430
We have a major housing shortage in the city and need more homes built to keep

2023
02:52:13,430 --> 02:52:14,430
a blemster affordable.

2024
02:52:15,170 --> 02:52:18,070
Caleb Weld in 68 Jordan's way.

2025
02:52:20,460 --> 02:52:24,380
Dear counselors, I am unable to attend the meeting tonight and respectfully request that my letter

2026
02:52:24,380 --> 02:52:25,420
be read in my absence.

2027
02:52:25,560 --> 02:52:29,960
I am writing a regard to petition 66-26 to urge a yes vote as a...

2028
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:46,780
President of Board 1 for 15 years with children attending Johnny Appleseed. Skyview and LHS, I am deeply concerned about the impact and additional 700 units will have in our schools currently. The average, great class size at J.A. is 25 students and the building has no physical space for additional classrooms.

2029
02:52:46,780 --> 02:52:53,140
Class sizes that skyved you in LA just are similarly high and those buildings face the same

2030
02:52:53,140 --> 02:52:54,360
spatial constraints.

2031
02:52:55,000 --> 02:52:59,940
Previous Zoning changes to MU2 in January 2025 have already allowed for the approval of nearly

2032
02:52:59,940 --> 02:53:02,360
300 units with minimal oversight.

2033
02:53:02,580 --> 02:53:07,520
We should pause further expansion until these 295 units are completed and occupied so we can

2034
02:53:07,520 --> 02:53:10,160
accurately assess their impact on our community.

2035
02:53:10,400 --> 02:53:14,920
The current Zoning would allow 700 more units and more one without a proportionate increase

2036
02:53:14,920 --> 02:53:17,380
and public services, our schools are already at capacity.

2037
02:53:18,180 --> 02:53:19,920
While state funding may increase per student,

2038
02:53:20,100 --> 02:53:22,260
it will not cover the cost or logistics of building.

2039
02:53:22,760 --> 02:53:25,160
The new facilities required to accommodate this growth,

2040
02:53:25,240 --> 02:53:27,680
please consider the long-term impact on our community

2041
02:53:27,680 --> 02:53:30,480
and vote yesterday prevent further unchecked construction

2042
02:53:30,480 --> 02:53:34,780
in Ward 1, respectively, Rachel King, 55 Sky Lane,

2043
02:53:34,780 --> 02:53:36,020
Lemister Mass.

2044
02:53:39,250 --> 02:53:45,550
Before I get into, I have emails here from Mirick,

2045
02:53:45,550 --> 02:53:49,270
Goldstone in stores and actually two from them.

2046
02:53:49,950 --> 02:53:51,530
I see attorneys in the room.

2047
02:53:51,690 --> 02:53:54,350
I don't know if these are any of yours that you care to address

2048
02:53:55,910 --> 02:53:58,230
or I will read these into the record.

2049
02:54:01,660 --> 02:54:03,140
Madam Chair, I'm happy to address

2050
02:54:03,140 --> 02:54:04,700
Goldstone in stores comments.

2051
02:54:05,200 --> 02:54:06,880
It's part of my response at that.

2052
02:54:07,220 --> 02:54:09,100
Certainly, if you want to come up to the podium,

2053
02:54:09,220 --> 02:54:10,600
you're welcome to come up to the podium.

2054
02:54:16,160 --> 02:54:17,160
Thank you, Madam Chair.

2055
02:54:17,380 --> 02:54:19,160
Madam President and members of the Council.

2056
02:54:19,160 --> 02:54:24,260
My name is Patrick Gallifer. I'm here on behalf of Greg Muscadini and Muscadini development.

2057
02:54:24,700 --> 02:54:26,920
I work at Gulston and Stores in Boston.

2058
02:54:29,280 --> 02:54:35,900
I'd like first to respond to comments and concerns around the existing zoning.

2059
02:54:38,040 --> 02:54:41,920
And the fact of the matter is that there is a real diamond-stated need for housing.

2060
02:54:42,700 --> 02:54:47,960
That need was established as part of the comprehensive planning process over the course of more than a year

2061
02:54:47,960 --> 02:54:52,040
the culminated in zoning that was approved in January of 2025.

2062
02:54:54,540 --> 02:55:00,160
This particular area, the MU2 zone, had been specifically identified through many years

2063
02:55:00,160 --> 02:55:02,320
of planning for high-density uses.

2064
02:55:03,340 --> 02:55:08,540
Multi-family had previously been allowed in the MU2 district dating back to 2012.

2065
02:55:09,360 --> 02:55:16,320
However, new construction wasn't unlocked until the enactment of the zoning amendment in

2066
02:55:16,320 --> 02:55:22,460
2025, which, as we all know, has permitted the housing development that has been much discussed

2067
02:55:22,460 --> 02:55:22,940
tonight.

2068
02:55:23,720 --> 02:55:28,300
This petition before the council, not only seeks to overturn this comprehensive planning

2069
02:55:28,300 --> 02:55:33,920
effort, but to turn back the clock further by prohibiting multifamily housing, which constitutes

2070
02:55:33,920 --> 02:55:35,120
three or more units.

2071
02:55:36,400 --> 02:55:40,760
So any three or more unit project would be now prohibited in the MU2 district.

2072
02:55:44,250 --> 02:55:51,890
The zoning amendment in 2025 was based on a recognition that more was needed, more than simply

2073
02:55:51,890 --> 02:55:53,970
allowing multi-family housing as a bright.

2074
02:55:54,070 --> 02:55:59,330
More was needed in order to incentivize the scale of development that the comprehensive

2075
02:55:59,330 --> 02:56:02,090
planning efforts identified as they need.

2076
02:56:02,710 --> 02:56:06,910
And I'd also like to respond to comments about there being no oversight to the contrary,

2077
02:56:06,910 --> 02:56:11,850
there's significant oversight of these projects, even as they are by-write projects.

2078
02:56:11,850 --> 02:56:31,670
They are subject to site plan review, during which things such as traffic, stormwater, lighting, landscaping, screening, parking, architectural design are all reviewed by the planning board, which again is the authority principally charged with analyzing planning and analyzing projects.

2079
02:56:32,510 --> 02:56:47,690
There is additional oversight through state environmental processes such as MEPA, such as the Wetlands Protection Act, both of which the project that we've heard much about tonight was subject to and underwent, I would say, very thorough review as part of it.

2080
02:56:48,650 --> 02:56:56,330
I'd also like to respond to comments and concerns regarding municipal services and how projects such as this one could impact municipal services.

2081
02:56:57,750 --> 02:57:03,010
I would posit that today municipal services are under extreme pressure, not from projects such

2082
02:57:03,010 --> 02:57:07,570
as this, but through increasing mandates and inflation in the cost of health insurance.

2083
02:57:09,590 --> 02:57:13,450
Without new growth, there is not a new revenue to support those services.

2084
02:57:14,930 --> 02:57:17,470
These types of projects are what provide for that new growth.

2085
02:57:18,170 --> 02:57:22,330
So in summary, we would urge the council to follow the lead of the planning board,

2086
02:57:26,310 --> 02:57:26,310
which

2087
02:57:26,310 --> 02:57:29,210
and to enable the planning process.

2088
02:57:29,470 --> 02:57:32,150
Yeah, very thoughtful, thorough planning process

2089
02:57:32,150 --> 02:57:34,950
to continue to play out in a district

2090
02:57:34,950 --> 02:57:37,110
that has been identified and specifically

2091
02:57:37,110 --> 02:57:38,830
zoned for higher density.

2092
02:57:39,310 --> 02:57:39,910
Thank you.

2093
02:57:40,010 --> 02:57:41,090
Thank you, Attorney Gallauder.

2094
02:57:44,590 --> 02:57:46,230
I do have one

2095
02:57:48,560 --> 02:57:54,660
other email in from Brian Falk over at Mirick.

2096
02:57:54,660 --> 02:57:56,120
This is addressed to me.

2097
02:57:56,360 --> 02:57:56,760
He's here.

2098
02:57:57,000 --> 02:57:57,620
Oh, hi.

2099
02:58:00,600 --> 02:58:04,620
I'm sorry. I can't see over.

2100
02:58:05,200 --> 02:58:06,560
And people often can't see me.

2101
02:58:07,840 --> 02:58:09,500
I feel you're paid.

2102
02:58:11,240 --> 02:58:13,000
I feel you're paid.

2103
02:58:13,560 --> 02:58:15,720
I represent wood partners in WPE's

2104
02:58:16,380 --> 02:58:19,900
DAC positions LLC, which is the developer that's been discussed tonight.

2105
02:58:21,380 --> 02:58:22,980
As you mentioned, I submitted a letter.

2106
02:58:23,220 --> 02:58:25,740
You all have it. I'm not going to recite it. I'll be brief.

2107
02:58:26,340 --> 02:58:28,580
We are as the Council's rejected the zoning amendment.

2108
02:58:28,580 --> 02:58:40,080
This amendment, as I mentioned previously, would prohibit multi families just less than two years after the council voted to allow multi families by a right in the Sony district.

2109
02:58:41,480 --> 02:58:49,620
Those amendments were part of a comprehensive professional planning study that found that multi families weren't appropriate use in the zoning district.

2110
02:58:50,260 --> 02:58:54,860
What we're doing here tonight is anything but professional comprehensive planning study.

2111
02:58:55,520 --> 02:58:59,440
This petition was driven by opposition to my client's project.

2112
02:59:00,980 --> 02:59:04,160
Reactionary zoning amendments rarely make good public policy.

2113
02:59:04,860 --> 02:59:08,360
And many of the questions tonight about what constitutes a multi-family.

2114
02:59:09,000 --> 02:59:13,120
It gives us a sense that this is not well thought out and shouldn't be acted upon tonight.

2115
02:59:14,700 --> 02:59:17,620
This petition is designed to block multi-family communities.

2116
02:59:18,000 --> 02:59:22,440
It's not here to support city planning or infrastructure and should be rejected by the council.

2117
02:59:22,820 --> 02:59:23,380
Thank you.

2118
02:59:27,250 --> 02:59:45,610
And while I'm at it, I'm going to actually, and we have for the record, the recommendation from the planning board on 720-26, the planning board voted 80-0 to give a negative recommendation for position 66-26 to the city council.

2119
02:59:47,310 --> 02:59:48,790
And that is from the planning board.

2120
02:59:49,130 --> 02:59:54,970
Okay, so I'm going to go back to the public, is there anyone from the public that would like to address 66-26?

2121
02:59:54,970 --> 02:59:55,290
6.

2122
03:00:01,780 --> 03:00:09,620
evening, need a milliard, 145 second, myndrave and lemon stir. So for all, I'm not going to really brave.

2123
03:00:10,120 --> 03:00:17,260
For all the reasons that were cited with the letters for a yes vote, petition 6626.

2124
03:00:18,100 --> 03:00:26,720
I am also in favor of the MU2. Sooning change, petition 6626, to stop the additional, as is actually used.

2125
03:00:26,720 --> 03:00:32,220
I'm asking the City Council to prohibit further residents and development and M.U. to zone

2126
03:00:32,220 --> 03:00:38,160
land. You have the power to do this. Please vote yes on petition 666. Thank you.

2127
03:00:38,260 --> 03:00:41,580
This is familiar. Can we just get your address, please? Just for the record.

2128
03:00:41,820 --> 03:00:43,560
The Sacramento Drive, 145.

2129
03:00:45,160 --> 03:00:45,980
Thank you.

2130
03:00:48,240 --> 03:00:51,240
Okay, for a second time is there anyone for the audience that would like to address

2131
03:00:51,240 --> 03:00:59,660
66-26, and for a third and final time is there anybody from the audience would like to address 66-26.

2132
03:01:02,200 --> 03:01:08,040
My name is Dorif, he grew up 54 low street. I'd like to give a little message to Mr. Laskali.

2133
03:01:09,200 --> 03:01:14,780
He did a pretty good job and putting up all that orchid property.

2134
03:01:14,780 --> 03:01:24,380
It was now all commercial and it was an apple orchard that was once there.

2135
03:01:25,280 --> 03:01:26,560
When does it stop?

2136
03:01:27,560 --> 03:01:32,360
When does he, was it didn't take it enough out of what he got out of the limister initially?

2137
03:01:33,040 --> 03:01:34,680
Does he really need more?

2138
03:01:36,240 --> 03:01:37,440
Thank you.

2139
03:01:37,800 --> 03:01:38,640
Thank you.

2140
03:01:39,680 --> 03:01:44,760
So for just going to the audience, that was for a third and final time.

2141
03:01:44,760 --> 03:01:49,640
anyone else from the audience that would like to address us on the Council on 66-26.

2142
03:01:50,080 --> 03:01:53,220
Mr. Rollins, and when you get the final word from the audience.

2143
03:01:53,640 --> 03:02:00,460
Just a couple of comments to Enri Bottle. The need for housing is legitimate. Everybody knows about it.

2144
03:02:00,680 --> 03:02:05,440
Just 290 units going up there. That's that's housing. That's serious amount of housing.

2145
03:02:06,460 --> 03:02:10,020
You can come back five years, ten years later, and we said this.

2146
03:02:10,020 --> 03:02:14,780
If we find out that we are all wrong, there is no way we can go back and change it.

2147
03:02:15,220 --> 03:02:18,260
But those two 90 aren't the only ones going in limestone.

2148
03:02:19,180 --> 03:02:25,220
There is a pretty substantial project going in other locations in limestone that I think will also

2149
03:02:25,220 --> 03:02:25,960
have an impact.

2150
03:02:26,760 --> 03:02:30,600
So they keep talking about the need for housing like we are not doing anything.

2151
03:02:30,680 --> 03:02:31,660
This is an acknowledgement.

2152
03:02:32,220 --> 03:02:41,500
in Ward 1, it's 290. Now, and 50% of those are multi-better. I don't know what we're talking about,

2153
03:02:41,600 --> 03:02:47,840
new construction wasn't allowed until 2025. I have no idea. I worked on the zoning. I met with

2154
03:02:47,840 --> 03:02:53,740
Mr. Liscotti back in 2012. We along with all the other members of the Legal Affairs Committee,

2155
03:02:53,740 --> 03:02:59,300
I don't know what that means. Without special, I mean, the special permit is pretty much, you know,

2156
03:02:59,300 --> 03:03:02,400
That's another discussion, but the idea that there's great oversight

2157
03:03:02,400 --> 03:03:06,260
without a special permit, it's like that to be really, really.

2158
03:03:06,260 --> 03:03:11,320
I mean, without neighbors ask for offense.

2159
03:03:11,940 --> 03:03:14,040
And when they, that was a battle.

2160
03:03:14,520 --> 03:03:19,120
I mean, without special permit, you have nothing really serious.

2161
03:03:19,420 --> 03:03:21,240
You're nitpicking at that point.

2162
03:03:23,860 --> 03:03:26,100
The question that, you know, because there was questions

2163
03:03:26,100 --> 03:03:27,720
about what does multi-family mean,

2164
03:03:27,720 --> 03:03:30,360
That wasn't questioned raised by the petitioner.

2165
03:03:30,440 --> 03:03:36,520
I mean, that's just a simple play playing a game here.

2166
03:03:37,100 --> 03:03:41,600
The truth is, and I had a word consular at large consular

2167
03:03:41,600 --> 03:03:44,520
saying, Dave, why don't you just change the density in the back?

2168
03:03:45,500 --> 03:03:46,600
Why don't you just change the density?

2169
03:03:46,620 --> 03:03:49,060
You can't go to an area in M-U-2 in Circle

2170
03:03:49,060 --> 03:03:50,380
and say, we're going to change the density.

2171
03:03:50,480 --> 03:03:52,660
That's spot zoning that will never happen.

2172
03:03:52,980 --> 03:03:57,440
But there's a recognition from the consular that asked me that

2173
03:03:57,440 --> 03:04:01,640
that they were shocked at how big this thing could actually be.

2174
03:04:01,980 --> 03:04:05,820
I know in the common friends that we have as an ex-concler,

2175
03:04:06,080 --> 03:04:09,100
a counselor said to a friend of mine that was a former counselor.

2176
03:04:09,280 --> 03:04:11,900
All right, Mr. Rollins, we're going to rain this in here.

2177
03:04:12,220 --> 03:04:15,040
All the same thing, we're giving you a final word. Let's,

2178
03:04:15,040 --> 03:04:17,600
all the same thing is, I think, all of you know,

2179
03:04:18,200 --> 03:04:20,840
based on the January 13th meeting and side discussions

2180
03:04:20,840 --> 03:04:24,800
and whatnot, the size and scope of this is just too big.

2181
03:04:24,800 --> 03:04:30,440
And this is the last chance, you own the power, this is it, this is the last chance.

2182
03:04:31,580 --> 03:04:35,460
Okay, any other members from the council would like to be here at the councilor Marra?

2183
03:04:37,280 --> 03:04:38,180
Thank you.

2184
03:04:38,860 --> 03:04:45,820
So I just, I want to clarify, when I'm asking the question about the definition on multi-use,

2185
03:04:45,820 --> 03:04:53,320
It is because I've seen some language from constituents indicating that they're opposed

2186
03:04:53,320 --> 03:04:59,140
to residential, for the residential construction.

2187
03:05:00,120 --> 03:05:10,700
And then this petition is stating, it doesn't explicitly state a ban on all housing, residential

2188
03:05:10,700 --> 03:05:11,260
housing.

2189
03:05:11,260 --> 03:05:19,060
So, trying to get clarification on then exactly what type of housing would this still allow for.

2190
03:05:19,620 --> 03:05:26,280
And in the event that it did eliminate the possibility to construct additional housing,

2191
03:05:27,240 --> 03:05:32,660
then what would go what is permitted in that particular location.

2192
03:05:33,240 --> 03:05:33,740
So,

2193
03:05:35,800 --> 03:05:39,960
trying to get all of the information and the facts to better understand.

2194
03:05:41,020 --> 03:05:47,740
Again, I, the vast majority of the letters that were submitted in the comments are from

2195
03:05:47,740 --> 03:05:56,480
Ward 1, and I understand the frustration I understand, the concerns, so I need to ensure

2196
03:05:56,480 --> 03:06:00,340
that I have all the information, which is why I'm asking.

2197
03:06:01,120 --> 03:06:05,640
It's not for, you know, just like, you know, just to entertain anyone.

2198
03:06:06,040 --> 03:06:08,420
It's really trying to get the facts here.

2199
03:06:08,420 --> 03:06:11,260
I just want to make sure that would clear on that. Thank you.

2200
03:06:11,440 --> 03:06:12,360
Councillor Noesworthy?

2201
03:06:12,800 --> 03:06:19,060
I'll be very brief. I just want to echo what the word one counts there said.

2202
03:06:19,180 --> 03:06:21,600
I have a newer Councillor. I asked a question honestly.

2203
03:06:22,320 --> 03:06:25,880
Just because I had that question and I thought it would be helpful for others.

2204
03:06:27,900 --> 03:06:31,120
So when I ask a question, it's definitely not for theater.

2205
03:06:31,380 --> 03:06:35,660
It's because I have that question and that's all I want to say. Thank you.

2206
03:06:35,660 --> 03:06:36,960
Councillor Scheldt was up for?

2207
03:06:36,960 --> 03:06:37,560
Great, thank you.

2208
03:06:37,900 --> 03:06:39,380
And I think, you know, when people ask questions

2209
03:06:39,380 --> 03:06:42,340
it's for clarity, it's not because they're, you know,

2210
03:06:42,460 --> 03:06:44,240
grants standing, or I can't remember exactly

2211
03:06:44,240 --> 03:06:46,100
how the attorney characterized it,

2212
03:06:46,360 --> 03:06:47,580
but I mean, that was really insulting.

2213
03:06:48,860 --> 03:06:52,500
And one thing I just want to say as a final is the,

2214
03:06:53,540 --> 03:06:57,620
I want to reiterate what Dr. Pan had said

2215
03:06:57,620 --> 03:06:59,900
that a yes vote is not a pause,

2216
03:07:00,000 --> 03:07:02,220
is a pause part of me, not a prohibition.

2217
03:07:02,220 --> 03:07:10,260
A calibrated MU2 residential standard, special permit review, phasing, and a required mix of ownership and rental housing,

2218
03:07:10,780 --> 03:07:13,460
brought back to this council on its own terms.

2219
03:07:13,900 --> 03:07:18,400
What I cannot support is living in an unlimited by-right entitlement in place while that work goes on down.

2220
03:07:18,860 --> 03:07:20,290
That is responsible review.

2221
03:07:21,200 --> 03:07:25,600
That is responsible work supporting the people that have put us here.

2222
03:07:26,040 --> 03:07:26,540
So again,

2223
03:07:29,000 --> 03:07:29,880
think about, you know,

2224
03:07:29,880 --> 03:07:29,980
.

2225
03:07:32,680 --> 03:07:45,400
And maybe the two hundred and ninety units will be wonderful. Maybe they won't be any impact on the traffic, maybe they won't be any significant impact on the schools or public safety people, and then the developer could come back with another phase.

2226
03:07:45,980 --> 03:07:58,140
And that might be great. Maybe we would love another, maybe it's a townhouse kind of development. Maybe it's something else not for story, you know, buildings with nine buildings.

2227
03:07:58,140 --> 03:08:03,840
So, anyways, a pause, not a prohibition, I think is a really important way to think about this.

2228
03:08:03,960 --> 03:08:04,880
That's all it is.

2229
03:08:05,040 --> 03:08:05,760
Thank you.

2230
03:08:13,810 --> 03:08:16,770
So, we've addressed everyone on the council.

2231
03:08:17,710 --> 03:08:23,530
Just to the ward, one council is, I think, question about other types of residential uses

2232
03:08:23,530 --> 03:08:32,070
and M-U-2, not multi-family uses, those aren't permitted in the table uses, just for clarity.

2233
03:08:32,970 --> 03:08:33,450
Thank you.

2234
03:08:34,550 --> 03:08:44,130
I think you were driving at, could you use this M-U-2 plan for residential uses that are not multi-family structures?

2235
03:08:44,870 --> 03:08:46,410
I think that's it to that, it's

2236
03:08:49,260 --> 03:08:49,260
no.

2237
03:08:49,600 --> 03:08:50,980
Okay, now I'm thoroughly confused.

2238
03:08:52,400 --> 03:08:53,040
All of that.

2239
03:08:53,040 --> 03:08:53,280
How is that?

2240
03:08:53,280 --> 03:08:53,600
How is that?

2241
03:08:53,740 --> 03:08:59,340
But a residential detached single-family homes, it's a no.

2242
03:09:02,580 --> 03:09:08,720
The question was, can you use M-U-2 land for housing that doesn't involve a multi-family

2243
03:09:08,720 --> 03:09:10,640
structure as defined in the zoning ordinance?

2244
03:09:10,800 --> 03:09:11,900
What was your question?

2245
03:09:12,960 --> 03:09:12,980
Correct.

2246
03:09:12,980 --> 03:09:14,100
So I think she was driving in.

2247
03:09:14,180 --> 03:09:15,820
Could you build single-family homes there for me?

2248
03:09:15,820 --> 03:09:16,260
Yes.

2249
03:09:16,700 --> 03:09:17,640
You can't.

2250
03:09:17,640 --> 03:09:18,220
You can't.

2251
03:09:18,360 --> 03:09:19,360
No, you can't.

2252
03:09:22,580 --> 03:09:23,400
But you could.

2253
03:09:23,600 --> 03:09:24,080
I'm not saying.

2254
03:09:24,340 --> 03:09:24,840
I'm not saying.

2255
03:09:25,300 --> 03:09:26,300
That's what it was designed.

2256
03:09:26,840 --> 03:09:27,000
Right.

2257
03:09:27,000 --> 03:09:34,640
But you could, in the future, come back with a plan for family, single-family homes that would

2258
03:09:34,640 --> 03:09:40,240
make sense and address the density problem in that area.

2259
03:09:40,820 --> 03:09:43,820
So that would be something that could be considered in the future.

2260
03:09:44,420 --> 03:09:52,240
Not under your existing zoning, but that might make sense in the future that is something

2261
03:09:52,240 --> 03:09:54,100
that we could consider the city council.

2262
03:09:54,100 --> 03:09:58,760
I'm not speculating on the future. I'm just answering the question. That's all I'm going.

2263
03:09:59,700 --> 03:10:07,900
Okay, and can I apologize. One, just one last question. I also want to understand because both attorneys

2264
03:10:07,900 --> 03:10:14,400
have indicated that by approving this petition, it would impact the previous project.

2265
03:10:14,400 --> 03:10:18,180
And it is my understanding that it would not.

2266
03:10:18,620 --> 03:10:21,940
So could the attorney please help explain

2267
03:10:23,380 --> 03:10:28,580
would approving this, this change impact

2268
03:10:29,120 --> 03:10:32,260
the project that was already approved?

2269
03:10:34,370 --> 03:10:34,690
No, it

2270
03:10:45,410 --> 03:10:45,750
would.

2271
03:10:46,830 --> 03:10:50,170
Does it create a plan on conforming use in our zone?

2272
03:10:50,530 --> 03:10:53,350
So it would be, it's a pre-existing,

2273
03:10:54,630 --> 03:10:59,350
what they did get their permanency, it was allowed, it was yes.

2274
03:11:00,630 --> 03:11:02,070
So, I mean, I'll just give you an example.

2275
03:11:03,030 --> 03:11:06,450
The letter from attorney folk indicates, in part,

2276
03:11:06,830 --> 03:11:09,450
aside from targeting and approve project.

2277
03:11:11,010 --> 03:11:14,310
It is unclear why the council would want to prohibit multi-family communities

2278
03:11:14,310 --> 03:11:16,190
in a large area of the city.

2279
03:11:16,670 --> 03:11:20,630
So, I just, again, that comment keeps coming up that

2280
03:11:21,290 --> 03:11:24,570
we would be targeting or this would impact the previous

2281
03:11:25,390 --> 03:11:29,910
project, and I wanted to make sure that I was clear that that's not the case.

2282
03:11:29,930 --> 03:11:37,470
The main way it would impact it would be, it's perfectly legal and grandfathered, it

2283
03:11:37,470 --> 03:11:39,210
doesn't touch that project.

2284
03:11:39,810 --> 03:11:45,290
However, when is a pre and non-conforming use and if you want to modify it, change it in

2285
03:11:45,290 --> 03:11:48,890
some way, expand it, for example, then you have to demonstrate,

2286
03:11:53,730 --> 03:11:54,550
you've got to get a special

2287
03:11:54,550 --> 03:12:00,570
detrimental than what's there already. So it's, you know, I don't know if I'd use the word target.

2288
03:12:00,910 --> 03:12:06,310
I mean, I guess you could, but could it have an impact? It could, but it's not going to stop it.

2289
03:12:06,390 --> 03:12:09,690
It would have an impact if they were, for instance, like a phase two.

2290
03:12:11,190 --> 03:12:17,290
Or, or, suppose they decided they, they wanted to add some more units, so they wanted to change

2291
03:12:17,290 --> 03:12:23,990
something. Maybe they wanted to build a new center, you know, a new pool, a new center, something

2292
03:12:23,990 --> 03:12:28,490
that you know with substantial they'd have to go and get a special permit for everything like that.

2293
03:12:28,790 --> 03:12:35,610
Okay thank you. Okay anyone else on the council? Madam President, it would be my

2294
03:12:35,610 --> 03:12:41,470
position to close the public hearing at this point. Okay, not a council going there.

2295
03:12:41,470 --> 03:12:42,790
I agree.

2296
03:12:42,790 --> 03:12:43,690
I'll see you tomorrow.

2297
03:12:44,730 --> 03:12:45,470
I agree.

2298
03:12:45,630 --> 03:12:45,950
Okay.

2299
03:12:46,130 --> 03:12:47,690
I mean, unanimous decision.

2300
03:12:48,550 --> 03:12:51,290
Min, unanimous decision.

2301
03:12:52,610 --> 03:12:53,590
The close to public hearing.

2302
03:12:59,340 --> 03:12:59,940
Three, five,

2303
03:13:03,050 --> 03:13:03,830
one, six.

2304
03:13:08,120 --> 03:13:08,540
Four, six.

2305
03:13:10,510 --> 03:13:10,810
Okay.

2306
03:13:11,830 --> 03:13:12,170
All right.

2307
03:13:12,310 --> 03:13:14,670
68, dash, 26.

2308
03:13:15,670 --> 03:13:16,530
Don't I'm all it?

2309
03:13:16,850 --> 03:13:17,150
58.

2310
03:13:17,530 --> 03:13:18,310
Sky Lane.

2311
03:13:18,390 --> 03:13:18,770
Loamster.

2312
03:13:18,870 --> 03:13:21,330
Respectfully request to amend the limesters zoning.

2313
03:13:22,490 --> 03:13:27,630
in accordance with section 22-14 on behalf of the 10 registered voters as follows.

2314
03:13:28,110 --> 03:13:33,290
Modified the limits to zoning ordinance with the Presidents established in Master General law.

2315
03:13:33,470 --> 03:13:35,930
48 section 5 as follows.

2316
03:13:36,970 --> 03:13:45,390
From section 22-14 adoption and amendment, 14-0.14, no zoning ordinance may be adopted or changed.

2317
03:13:45,890 --> 03:13:50,790
Except by a two-thirds vote of all the members of the city council, if there is filed with the city clerk.

2318
03:13:50,790 --> 03:13:56,230
prior to final action by the City Council, a written protest against such change, stating

2319
03:13:56,230 --> 03:14:02,010
the reasons a duly sign by owners of 20% or more of the area of the land proposed to be

2320
03:14:02,010 --> 03:14:07,950
included in such change, or if the area of land immediately adjacent extending 300 feet

2321
03:14:07,950 --> 03:14:13,090
there from no such change of any ordinance may be adopted except by a three-fourths vote of all

2322
03:14:13,090 --> 03:14:19,990
the members. Two, 14-14, no zoning ordinance may be adopted or changed except by a two-thirds vote

2323
03:14:19,990 --> 03:14:44,970
Of all the members of the city council, if there is filed with the city clerk, prior to final action by the city council, a written protest against such change, stating the reasons in duly sign by owners of 50 percent, or more of the area of land proposed to be included in such change, or if the area of land immediately adjacent extending 300 feet, there from no such change of any ordinance, may be adopted except by a two-thirds vote of all members.

2324
03:14:44,970 --> 03:14:49,670
This is based on mass general, a lot, a 48-section 5.

2325
03:14:50,390 --> 03:14:54,450
If in a city or town with a council of fewer than 25 members, there is filed with a

2326
03:14:54,450 --> 03:14:58,470
clerk prior to final action, by the council of written protests against the zoning change,

2327
03:14:58,850 --> 03:14:59,970
under this section stating the...

2328
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:16,860
Reasons duly signed by owners of 50% or more of the area of the land proposed to be included in such change, or of the area of the land immediately adjacent extending 300 feet there from no change of any such ordinance shall be adopted, except by a two-thirds vote of all members.

2329
03:15:18,980 --> 03:15:22,040
Just to quickly address this, I can tell you on 720.

2330
03:15:40,960 --> 03:15:45,840
I'm going to open this up first to the petitioner.

2331
03:15:46,660 --> 03:15:47,080
Thank you.

2332
03:15:47,260 --> 03:15:49,580
So this is hopefully much simpler.

2333
03:15:49,980 --> 03:15:52,460
It's a simple question of which takes precedent.

2334
03:15:53,160 --> 03:15:54,640
The state law was modified.

2335
03:15:54,640 --> 03:16:02,520
and is the state take precedence, and if so, we should remove the confusion by updating our

2336
03:16:02,520 --> 03:16:08,400
local law to follow the state. If the state does not take precedence, then to the council

2337
03:16:08,400 --> 03:16:14,160
to, if you want to match the state. The bottom line is the two wording, both at the state level

2338
03:16:14,160 --> 03:16:19,660
and our city ordinance, are almost identical. And I'm imagining at one point they were identical.

2339
03:16:19,660 --> 03:16:25,160
the state was updated to say that if you have a protest you don't need three-quarter vote

2340
03:16:25,160 --> 03:16:30,980
you only need a two-third vote. Our law says three-quarters. If it takes, if the state

2341
03:16:30,980 --> 03:16:37,720
takes precedence and our law is confusing because it doesn't have precedence. If the city

2342
03:16:37,720 --> 03:16:43,080
law is allowed and takes precedence then do what you want, whether you want to match the state

2343
03:16:43,080 --> 03:16:47,020
or leave it as it is, that's the crux of the discussion.

2344
03:16:47,020 --> 03:16:53,050
And fortunately for us, we have attorney Questle with us to give us a little guidance here.

2345
03:16:56,660 --> 03:17:01,600
So, so you bring up an excellent point. There is home rule in Massachusetts, there's home rule.

2346
03:17:03,100 --> 03:17:04,020
So, for now.

2347
03:17:04,660 --> 03:17:06,060
They've used, not so much.

2348
03:17:06,680 --> 03:17:08,100
Yeah, exactly.

2349
03:17:10,660 --> 03:17:14,800
Again, you know, this is following 48 section five.

2350
03:17:14,800 --> 03:17:23,360
It makes things cleaner, you know, in my opinion, however, your ordinance right now is valid until it's challenged.

2351
03:17:25,340 --> 03:17:35,940
So if you want to stay with your ordinance now, you can, if it gets challenged, there is the risk that it won't be upheld because of 48 section five.

2352
03:17:36,500 --> 03:17:42,720
And the reason it makes my question to you is, we don't know, right?

2353
03:17:42,720 --> 03:17:44,980
That's why we put the thing in the air and ask the question.

2354
03:17:46,000 --> 03:17:53,640
But there has been several votes that I know of in paying attention that have been deemed

2355
03:17:53,640 --> 03:17:56,880
to need a seventh member to vote.

2356
03:17:58,540 --> 03:18:04,340
And that's pretty substantial, you know, if you're one vote off and you say, okay, I need

2357
03:18:04,340 --> 03:18:07,920
because it needs two-thirds, and you're fighting for the six-vote,

2358
03:18:08,280 --> 03:18:11,560
that's a different debate in different discussion when you say,

2359
03:18:11,660 --> 03:18:14,860
you need three-quarters, you need seven-votes, and we know we don't have it.

2360
03:18:15,340 --> 03:18:18,020
So let's end the discussion and move on to the next topic.

2361
03:18:18,540 --> 03:18:23,460
So that's what we're looking for, it's just clarity, as to which takes precedence,

2362
03:18:23,640 --> 03:18:28,780
because there are votes happening on a regular basis, or semi-regular basis.

2363
03:18:28,820 --> 03:18:32,660
I know if two I should say, where seven votes was,

2364
03:18:32,660 --> 03:18:37,340
And it happens to be a district that we're all familiar with MUTO.

2365
03:18:39,200 --> 03:18:42,900
So it's an important question.

2366
03:18:44,620 --> 03:18:46,960
I mean, this is a double edged sword.

2367
03:18:47,520 --> 03:18:50,080
It could go, it could help you, and it could hurt you.

2368
03:18:50,360 --> 03:18:51,960
That kind of thing on what the situation is.

2369
03:18:52,060 --> 03:18:55,260
I know it came up most notably with the racetrack.

2370
03:18:56,220 --> 03:18:58,600
I don't think it was relevant in the end with the racetrack,

2371
03:18:58,600 --> 03:19:04,540
But, you know, my personal opinion for it is worth, as I think we leave the home world.

2372
03:19:04,880 --> 03:19:09,540
I mean, I think it gives the resonance, I think more often than not, you'd find a

2373
03:19:09,540 --> 03:19:16,960
protest with a resonance of trying to prevent something rather than, you know, then allow

2374
03:19:16,960 --> 03:19:17,480
something.

2375
03:19:18,600 --> 03:19:20,780
So, I mean, it does give some extra protection.

2376
03:19:21,680 --> 03:19:26,480
I just don't, the question of the petitioners is, are we doing a valid, that was only

2377
03:19:26,480 --> 03:19:29,580
question because if you require seven votes and the state

2378
03:19:29,580 --> 03:19:33,840
expense presidents, then it's an invalid vote, really,

2379
03:19:34,280 --> 03:19:35,840
one could make that argument, right?

2380
03:19:36,760 --> 03:19:41,940
If so, and I don't think we have a position if you say

2381
03:19:44,020 --> 03:19:47,800
definitively that the state law takes presidents, then

2382
03:19:47,800 --> 03:19:49,220
do it with what you will.

2383
03:19:49,620 --> 03:19:52,400
But if it's a gray area, I don't know what you do.

2384
03:19:53,820 --> 03:19:57,540
So, the petition is to ask the Council which takes precedence.

2385
03:20:00,930 --> 03:20:03,110
I'm sorry, the petition is to change it.

2386
03:20:03,390 --> 03:20:04,970
The petition is to change it.

2387
03:20:05,910 --> 03:20:14,170
The recommendation from the petitioners is to say, if the state takes precedence, we remove the confusion.

2388
03:20:14,270 --> 03:20:14,510
Right.

2389
03:20:15,170 --> 03:20:19,910
If the state doesn't take precedence, then I don't we don't have a position.

2390
03:20:22,090 --> 03:20:28,030
So again, and I'm not trying to be intentionally vague, it is a gray area.

2391
03:20:29,310 --> 03:20:36,170
Right now your ordinance is valid until it's challenged and a court says it is not valid.

2392
03:20:36,470 --> 03:20:40,370
Do you have a legal opinion as to whether how it would stand up to that challenge?

2393
03:20:42,490 --> 03:20:47,050
Yes, most likely the state, 48 section five would take precedence.

2394
03:20:47,050 --> 03:20:54,650
Yikes, I think that's important to know, because you have the potential to leave open a potential

2395
03:20:56,610 --> 03:21:01,290
challenge, right? You could, and I agree, there's two sides to the coin. I've seen it working

2396
03:21:01,290 --> 03:21:07,330
both ways, though. I'm not lobbying one way or another, but I don't know that you want to

2397
03:21:07,330 --> 03:21:12,890
push forth something that leaves open the possibility for it to be challenged.

2398
03:21:13,570 --> 03:21:21,850
That seems a little bit, um, I don't know, I mean, I've had enough myself, but I think the point didn't mean.

2399
03:21:22,470 --> 03:21:23,730
Did he have dropped himself out?

2400
03:21:25,170 --> 03:21:26,010
I didn't do that.

2401
03:21:26,990 --> 03:21:31,210
I did sign up for the open forum, so I got one more shot at that.

2402
03:21:31,970 --> 03:21:32,910
We haven't done that yet.

2403
03:21:35,770 --> 03:21:41,290
So it's not the first time I've been accused of extending meetings down here.

2404
03:21:42,870 --> 03:21:48,470
You want someone who's worked with you for a long time and maybe you want some of our comments on that?

2405
03:21:49,070 --> 03:21:56,230
I get it every day from Sabatelli in the grocery store that I see him and I took two months of his life away or whatever.

2406
03:21:56,730 --> 03:21:58,290
You should go to different grocery stores.

2407
03:21:59,230 --> 03:21:59,730
He should.

2408
03:22:01,650 --> 03:22:01,890
Anyways.

2409
03:22:04,390 --> 03:22:05,390
He's the same person.

2410
03:22:05,410 --> 03:22:06,330
The same person.

2411
03:22:06,330 --> 03:22:09,090
The tells the preacher can do a math on 45 minutes.

2412
03:22:13,110 --> 03:22:20,090
Any members of the Council have any questions, concerns, comments, any members of the public

2413
03:22:20,090 --> 03:22:23,310
that would like to address the Council on 68-26?

2414
03:22:30,000 --> 03:22:39,460
Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam President and members of the Council, Patrick Gallagher from Coolsten and Stores, on behalf of Greg Muscati, and the Scotty Development of the very brief on this.

2415
03:22:40,340 --> 03:22:55,540
I agree with the turning question. Our position is that, in this case, Chapter 48, since the floor, that municipalities are able to enact more stringent requirements, there are a number of areas under 48, where that's a case.

2416
03:22:55,540 --> 03:22:58,160
For example, site plan review has been in existence

2417
03:22:58,160 --> 03:22:59,920
for a very long time in Massachusetts,

2418
03:23:01,120 --> 03:23:03,020
and is not part of 48.

2419
03:23:04,620 --> 03:23:06,800
Municipalities are able to provide

2420
03:23:06,800 --> 03:23:09,520
for more stringent special permit standards.

2421
03:23:10,980 --> 03:23:12,920
There are a number of cases under other zoning

2422
03:23:12,920 --> 03:23:15,340
and development laws where municipalities

2423
03:23:15,340 --> 03:23:18,400
can provide for higher levels of review.

2424
03:23:18,900 --> 03:23:20,360
We believe it's appropriate here

2425
03:23:20,360 --> 03:23:23,000
and that would make it a policy decision for the council.

2426
03:23:23,740 --> 03:23:25,520
And in this case, we're talking about instances

2427
03:23:25,520 --> 03:23:31,500
is where a neighbor is seeking to reason your land, something that my client has encountered

2428
03:23:32,200 --> 03:23:40,120
frequently, and we believe that it is a fair policy decision for the Council to make

2429
03:23:40,120 --> 03:23:45,300
to say we're going to require a higher standard, a higher bar, in those cases when someone

2430
03:23:45,300 --> 03:23:50,340
is trying to reason your land to enable you to protect yourself and have a voice in that

2431
03:23:50,340 --> 03:23:50,600
process.

2432
03:23:51,100 --> 03:23:51,700
Thank you.

2433
03:23:52,280 --> 03:23:53,380
Thank you, Attorney Gallagher.

2434
03:23:53,380 --> 03:23:58,960
Is there any other members from the audience would like to address 68-26?

2435
03:24:01,120 --> 03:24:06,000
For a third and final time, are there any members of the audience that would like to address 68-26?

2436
03:24:06,840 --> 03:24:09,660
Okay, seeing none, I will, oh, Council President.

2437
03:24:10,700 --> 03:24:17,400
I'm just going to add, Mrs. Even in direct relationship to this, but I'm the real fan of

2438
03:24:17,400 --> 03:24:22,360
home room petition. I think that's all Massachusetts government was

2439
03:24:22,360 --> 03:24:28,700
nade. It's been taken away little by little by little. I know there's

2440
03:24:28,700 --> 03:24:31,280
conference committee now. It's probably going to take more away from

2441
03:24:31,280 --> 03:24:39,680
that. But I'm a fan of home room petition. So that's okay. Any other

2442
03:24:39,680 --> 03:24:44,940
members of the council? Any questions? Anything else? Seeing Madam President,

2443
03:24:44,940 --> 03:24:49,520
And I would ask that 68-26 the public hearing be closed.

2444
03:24:54,860 --> 03:24:55,420
Agree.

2445
03:25:02,500 --> 03:25:04,900
Thank you.

2446
03:25:12,630 --> 03:25:14,390
We are now going to hold the public forum.

2447
03:25:14,950 --> 03:25:18,470
Public forums are an opportunity for any member of the audience to speak.

2448
03:25:18,890 --> 03:25:21,950
Any matter specifically listed on the council agenda.

2449
03:25:23,170 --> 03:25:28,050
Speakers will be asked to come to the microphone, state formal name and address, along with identifying

2450
03:25:28,050 --> 03:25:33,710
find the specific item they wish to address. Each speaker is respectfully asked to keep

2451
03:25:33,710 --> 03:25:39,390
there some comments within a two minute time frame. Council, not be responding, however,

2452
03:25:39,690 --> 03:25:47,910
if the little clarification needed, I have the ability to respond. We have Haley Brady.

2453
03:25:48,210 --> 03:25:55,790
I think she spoke in the public hearing. I think she left. Okay. Carol, Elaine, 238,

2454
03:25:55,790 --> 03:26:06,130
to a drive. She's gone too. David Rollins, you get your next shot. Let me go back to the two minutes,

2455
03:26:06,210 --> 03:26:14,910
I mean. Really? No. Dave Rollins, 49, Braver and Circle in lemon stir. I know there's going to be

2456
03:26:14,910 --> 03:26:21,070
hearing this is on petition 227, a moratorium on the battery storage system that's, that's by the way,

2457
03:26:21,070 --> 03:26:23,750
I had to look at a better energy storage systems,

2458
03:26:24,190 --> 03:26:26,190
and I'm just looking to say myself a trip

2459
03:26:26,190 --> 03:26:28,930
so I don't have to come back when hearing is there on that one.

2460
03:26:30,450 --> 03:26:33,090
I think, and I don't have, there was a definition

2461
03:26:33,090 --> 03:26:34,450
associated with the other moratorium.

2462
03:26:35,070 --> 03:26:36,290
I might be here.

2463
03:26:36,790 --> 03:26:38,990
I don't have it, so I'm basing my opinions

2464
03:26:38,990 --> 03:26:41,090
on what I read off of the agenda.

2465
03:26:41,550 --> 03:26:45,050
But I'm worried about small battery use,

2466
03:26:45,470 --> 03:26:49,690
which are still classified at either residential small business

2467
03:26:49,690 --> 03:26:57,010
or even in nonprofits. There's battery storage systems. The idea is that if you have solar panels

2468
03:26:57,010 --> 03:27:01,750
and you have to sell your electricity back to pennies on a dollar, you're selling it at wholesale,

2469
03:27:02,190 --> 03:27:06,810
if you have a battery storage system, you can store that electricity and use it and get the biggest

2470
03:27:06,810 --> 03:27:12,610
benefit from it. So there is a big advantage to having batteries for people that have invested in solar

2471
03:27:12,610 --> 03:27:19,190
or even potentially wind. The battery packs are safe. There's codes that allow it to be done and

2472
03:27:19,190 --> 03:27:25,990
put into house, Massachusetts has a incentive for people to buy battery packs, and most of the

2473
03:27:25,990 --> 03:27:30,570
battery packs that I'm talking for small business or residential are smaller than the battery

2474
03:27:30,570 --> 03:27:35,230
packs in electric car. So if you drive your electric car and put in the garage, we're talking

2475
03:27:35,230 --> 03:27:41,110
about, you know, distributing your battery pack all over the streets. This is a safe, small

2476
03:27:41,110 --> 03:27:47,050
battery pack, provide backup to your house, much safer than entering, you know, storing

2477
03:27:47,050 --> 03:27:51,410
gallons of oil or propane, so that's one.

2478
03:27:51,490 --> 03:27:54,450
Number two is there's these things, especially in areas

2479
03:27:54,450 --> 03:27:59,150
we have high energy problems, disaster problems.

2480
03:27:59,510 --> 03:28:02,150
They're called resiliency hubs, churches

2481
03:28:02,150 --> 03:28:04,510
and whatnot are putting in battery backup

2482
03:28:04,510 --> 03:28:07,510
on their solar system and providing resilience hubs,

2483
03:28:07,930 --> 03:28:10,330
which allow people to recharge their batteries,

2484
03:28:11,310 --> 03:28:14,870
refrigerate mothers milk, and other uses

2485
03:28:14,870 --> 03:28:19,810
is that are valid and standby emergency situations.

2486
03:28:20,330 --> 03:28:23,310
So the bottom line is, there are valuable,

2487
03:28:24,030 --> 03:28:29,210
real, small, safe uses for battery, for battery use.

2488
03:28:29,510 --> 03:28:35,050
And so I would just ask that you be cautious with the moratorium

2489
03:28:35,050 --> 03:28:38,470
to make sure we don't hurt people that want to reduce their energy

2490
03:28:38,470 --> 03:28:46,330
cost in a safe way or provide a solid backup for a resilience type hubs.

2491
03:28:47,330 --> 03:28:51,910
And I would throw out another option or in additional to the previous discussion.

2492
03:28:52,510 --> 03:28:56,290
You could define what a battery storage system is.

2493
03:28:56,530 --> 03:28:58,290
You could have it in the table of uses.

2494
03:28:58,890 --> 03:29:03,630
You could have it be special permit and most restrictive and be special permit for the city council.

2495
03:29:04,310 --> 03:29:07,590
And therefore, leave a window for these valid uses.

2496
03:29:07,590 --> 03:29:13,650
I think there's much more valid uses for battery packs than there are for data centers.

2497
03:29:14,390 --> 03:29:18,830
So I think there's, so my thing is, and I don't know the details, I didn't read it, but

2498
03:29:18,830 --> 03:29:23,550
my point is just keep that into the whole discussion, and I don't have to come back to the

2499
03:29:23,550 --> 03:29:23,890
next meeting.

2500
03:29:24,350 --> 03:29:24,990
Thank you.

2501
03:29:25,470 --> 03:29:27,230
Don't thank you, Mr. Alonso.

2502
03:29:31,720 --> 03:29:33,280
That's all that we have signed up.

2503
03:29:33,280 --> 03:29:35,840
Is there anyone else who wishes to address the council?

2504
03:29:38,220 --> 03:29:41,140
Again, is there anyone else who wishes to address the council?

2505
03:29:42,540 --> 03:29:46,220
The third and final time is there anyone who wishes to address the council?

2506
03:29:47,180 --> 03:29:49,480
If not, I'll declare the public forum closed.

2507
03:29:50,980 --> 03:29:54,840
Moving on to our regular council meeting.

2508
03:29:56,600 --> 03:29:59,700
Rachel, after it's not too bad, it's only 9.

2509
03:30:00,210 --> 03:30:02,630
Thank you for saying more.

2510
03:30:04,970 --> 03:30:08,110
Petitions, first time on the agenda, Madam Clerk.

2511
03:30:09,230 --> 03:30:13,530
Greg Seach, Chapter 1, purchasing a request permission to enter a five-year contract.

2512
03:30:14,070 --> 03:30:17,890
These are space for limits to sign for technical education innovation.

2513
03:30:20,150 --> 03:30:23,350
9.27 is referred to the chair of Finance.

2514
03:30:23,550 --> 03:30:27,470
Thank you, Madam President. For the first time of the calendar, regular course, please.

2515
03:30:28,190 --> 03:30:35,530
Okay, and I'm also going to add the committee on schools to look at that and maybe we'll

2516
03:30:35,530 --> 03:30:36,610
work together on that.

2517
03:30:37,290 --> 03:30:37,950
Sounds good.

2518
03:30:38,250 --> 03:30:38,870
Same recommendation.

2519
03:30:39,110 --> 03:30:39,570
We're going towards.

2520
03:30:46,740 --> 03:30:46,980
Okay.

2521
03:30:47,100 --> 03:30:47,800
10-27.

2522
03:30:48,860 --> 03:30:53,600
Message just select your company and do a business as national grid in Verizon and New England.

2523
03:30:54,180 --> 03:30:56,460
Incorporate a request permission to locate polls.

2524
03:30:57,340 --> 03:31:01,060
Why are those in fixtures including the necessary sustaining and protecting fixtures along

2525
03:31:01,060 --> 03:31:03,080
and across the following public way?

2526
03:31:03,080 --> 03:31:07,520
Pleasant Street, National Grid to relocate one jointly on full on Pleasant Street,

2527
03:31:07,660 --> 03:31:11,460
beginning at a point approximately 50 feet south of the center line of the intersection

2528
03:31:12,120 --> 03:31:16,840
of Lisa Drive and continuing approximately 10 feet in a southern lead direction.

2529
03:31:17,200 --> 03:31:23,900
National Grid is relocating called 71 approximately 30 feet north in order to remove an existing

2530
03:31:23,900 --> 03:31:30,240
guide tree. Location approximately shown on the planet attached. Wherefore it prays that after

2531
03:31:30,240 --> 03:31:32,580
to do notice and hearings as provided by law,

2532
03:31:32,760 --> 03:31:35,980
it'd be granted the location for information to erect

2533
03:31:35,980 --> 03:31:37,920
and maintain polls and wires together

2534
03:31:37,920 --> 03:31:41,340
with such sustaining and protecting fixtures

2535
03:31:41,340 --> 03:31:43,920
as it may find necessary, said polls,

2536
03:31:44,440 --> 03:31:48,040
to be erected substantially in accordance with the plan,

2537
03:31:48,520 --> 03:31:50,120
filed here within Mark's Pleasant Street,

2538
03:31:50,380 --> 03:31:53,840
Lumbester Massachusetts, number three, one, one, nine, nine,

2539
03:31:53,840 --> 03:31:56,760
five, two, eight, July 13th, 2026,

2540
03:31:56,760 --> 03:32:02,300
Also, for permission to lay and maintain laterals, cables and wires in the above or

2541
03:32:02,300 --> 03:32:06,020
intersecting in public ways for the purpose of making connections with such polls and

2542
03:32:06,020 --> 03:32:10,320
buildings as such a set of petitioners may desire for distributing purposes.

2543
03:32:12,660 --> 03:32:16,720
Okay, 1027 is referred to the chair of public service.

2544
03:32:17,120 --> 03:32:18,100
Thank you, Madam President.

2545
03:32:18,260 --> 03:32:26,680
First time on the agenda, regular course with referrals to the DPW, the Lennister Police Department

2546
03:32:26,680 --> 03:32:29,420
and we need to schedule a public hearing.

2547
03:32:32,040 --> 03:32:34,120
Madam President, I'll be abstaining from this.

2548
03:32:34,220 --> 03:32:35,360
It doesn't bother my employer.

2549
03:32:47,250 --> 03:32:51,570
Okay, we will do 914 at

2550
03:32:55,980 --> 03:32:57,560
555.

2551
03:33:12,840 --> 03:33:17,000
We have regular courts given to 1027 with regards to.

2552
03:33:17,120 --> 03:33:17,900
We have a post, right?

2553
03:33:18,360 --> 03:33:19,040
Yes, I am.

2554
03:33:19,200 --> 03:33:19,500
Okay.

2555
03:33:20,340 --> 03:33:21,020
I'm just repeating.

2556
03:33:21,560 --> 03:33:22,000
Oh, sorry.

2557
03:33:22,080 --> 03:33:23,040
Till I get to that.

2558
03:33:23,140 --> 03:33:24,740
Thank you.

2559
03:33:25,560 --> 03:33:26,700
It's been a while now.

2560
03:33:26,700 --> 03:33:28,400
I couldn't punch you.

2561
03:33:29,000 --> 03:33:37,740
Please, a TBW with a hearing set for September 14th at 555, all those in favor of the hearing

2562
03:33:37,740 --> 03:33:39,180
signifying usual manner?

2563
03:33:39,500 --> 03:33:40,720
Those bowels?

2564
03:33:40,840 --> 03:33:41,540
Thank you.

2565
03:33:48,850 --> 03:33:50,310
Are we going to 1127?

2566
03:33:51,310 --> 03:33:59,970
Look, Bola, code enforcement officer request to amend section 8.8.21 of the LMS City ordinance title fees

2567
03:33:59,970 --> 03:34:02,910
for inspections and permits by editing fees for inspections

2568
03:34:02,910 --> 03:34:06,790
and add new schedule of fees and add new language.

2569
03:34:09,270 --> 03:34:13,290
Okay, 1127 is referred to as a chair of legal affairs.

2570
03:34:13,730 --> 03:34:14,810
Thank you, Madam President.

2571
03:34:15,190 --> 03:34:18,150
First time on the calendar, regular course, please.

2572
03:34:19,510 --> 03:34:22,210
Okay, we need to set a hearing for that as well.

2573
03:34:26,080 --> 03:34:31,380
So that will be, let's go to the 28th of September.

2574
03:34:32,560 --> 03:34:37,580
Um, and we don't have anything to do yet, so let's go, um,

2575
03:34:38,440 --> 03:34:40,320
six o'clock at work.

2576
03:34:43,590 --> 03:34:45,330
I'm trying to put all of them at the same time.

2577
03:34:46,030 --> 03:34:47,730
I think that would make them a sense.

2578
03:34:48,430 --> 03:34:48,590
Sure.

2579
03:34:49,290 --> 03:34:52,510
But although I'm not sure, I'm not sure we've been making lately,

2580
03:34:53,110 --> 03:34:56,850
but okay, our 1127 has been given.

2581
03:34:56,850 --> 03:35:00,070
Do you have any referrals with us?

2582
03:35:00,690 --> 03:35:01,850
I was...

2583
03:35:01,850 --> 03:35:02,470
Coat enforcement?

2584
03:35:02,810 --> 03:35:03,570
I suppose...

2585
03:35:05,110 --> 03:35:07,830
I would open its objections.

2586
03:35:09,010 --> 03:35:11,610
I would just request we get the existing fees.

2587
03:35:11,990 --> 03:35:14,830
Actually, if you look at the entire proposal.

2588
03:35:15,390 --> 03:35:16,350
It's with the bottom key.

2589
03:35:17,570 --> 03:35:21,930
He prepared the list, and all the changes he highlighted in red.

2590
03:35:22,170 --> 03:35:22,730
I saw that.

2591
03:35:23,290 --> 03:35:25,330
So are the existing fees at the end of the song?

2592
03:35:25,570 --> 03:35:25,910
Yes.

2593
03:35:30,160 --> 03:35:30,200
Okay.

2594
03:35:31,780 --> 03:35:32,160
All right.

2595
03:35:32,160 --> 03:35:40,940
1127 has been given regular course with a hearing date scheduled for 928 at 6 o'clock.

2596
03:35:43,550 --> 03:35:47,610
All those in favor of the hearing date signifying usual me on up.

2597
03:35:47,830 --> 03:35:48,630
Those opposed.

2598
03:35:50,510 --> 03:35:51,230
1227.

2599
03:35:52,550 --> 03:35:53,290
Luke Bowleg.

2600
03:35:54,070 --> 03:35:57,830
Code enforcement officer requests to amend chapter four buildings of the limits.

2601
03:35:58,350 --> 03:36:00,710
They're city ordinance to reflect the following.

2602
03:36:00,710 --> 03:36:30,150
4-2 edit and add wording 4-2.1 and it fees and add wording 4-2.2 eliminate mobile home permit fees add temporary tent fees 4-2.3 edit fees 4-2.5 edit fees 4-2.6 edit fees and add new language 4-2.7 edit fees 4-2.9 edit fees add new language and 4-15 edit.

2603
03:36:30,150 --> 03:36:32,390
at Editt Feez.

2604
03:36:34,080 --> 03:36:36,740
Okay, you're further 12-27.

2605
03:36:37,020 --> 03:36:39,240
Mr. Referred to the chair of legal affairs.

2606
03:36:39,740 --> 03:36:40,540
Thank you, Madam President.

2607
03:36:40,560 --> 03:36:41,740
Regular course, please.

2608
03:36:41,880 --> 03:36:44,600
And I'd ask that we set the public hearing date

2609
03:36:44,600 --> 03:36:48,960
on that same date, 928, 2026, maybe at 601 p.m.

2610
03:36:49,400 --> 03:36:49,840
601?

2611
03:36:49,960 --> 03:36:51,280
You think it's going to take one minute?

2612
03:36:51,480 --> 03:36:51,820
One minute.

2613
03:36:51,980 --> 03:36:52,820
Sorry, sorry.

2614
03:36:53,520 --> 03:36:55,120
How about I was going five?

2615
03:36:55,400 --> 03:36:55,820
65.

2616
03:37:02,580 --> 03:37:04,520
Do you think we should be referring these to the building

2617
03:37:04,520 --> 03:37:13,130
Inspector, certainly any objection to doing 1127 to the building inspector as well?

2618
03:37:13,210 --> 03:37:14,830
No, I would suggest the same.

2619
03:37:21,070 --> 03:37:24,550
Okay, you've heard the recommendation on 1227,

2620
03:37:25,710 --> 03:37:29,970
or reveal a course on 928 with a referral to the building inspector with...

2621
03:37:30,080 --> 03:37:39,340
Hearing, set was 6.05 on 9.28. All those are favouring the hearing dates, signify, and usual manner. Those both. Thank you.

2622
03:37:39,840 --> 03:38:00,060
13-28-27. Luke Bowlack, code enforcement officer request to edit section 12-2 fees slash schedule of the

2623
03:38:00,060 --> 03:38:03,700
19-27 is referred to the Charlie Wife as.

2624
03:38:04,200 --> 03:38:13,580
Regular course, please, with the referral to the building inspector, and I would request the public hearing on 928-2026 at 610pm.

2625
03:38:14,860 --> 03:38:19,820
Okay, you've heard the recommendation of legal affairs chair.

2626
03:38:20,120 --> 03:38:22,260
Any questions or comments on us?

2627
03:38:22,300 --> 03:38:25,080
We're going to go as we're not taking any.

2628
03:38:25,080 --> 03:38:30,880
for our 528 at 610 Brearing Date and Referral to the Building Inspector and

2629
03:38:30,880 --> 03:38:31,880
any questions or comments.

2630
03:38:32,560 --> 03:38:36,460
You've thought all of the favors that you're buying usual Vienna on the

2631
03:38:36,460 --> 03:38:37,000
hearing day.

2632
03:38:37,240 --> 03:38:38,840
Thank you.

2633
03:38:39,420 --> 03:38:39,520
All right.

2634
03:38:39,620 --> 03:38:46,660
Next we have our request for an emergency preamble from the mayor,

2635
03:38:46,660 --> 03:38:56,480
I'm not going to read great chapterings, recommendations, and explanation.

2636
03:38:59,650 --> 03:39:04,950
You all got a copy of it, and I'm sure you all read it, because it's been a real

2637
03:39:04,950 --> 03:39:06,930
source spot with all of us.

2638
03:39:07,030 --> 03:39:13,510
We've all heard how quickly the Gallagher elevator needs to be repaired.

2639
03:39:13,510 --> 03:39:18,270
And I think this puts it on a faster track.

2640
03:39:18,490 --> 03:39:19,810
There's been a lot of issues with it.

2641
03:39:20,050 --> 03:39:21,350
This is with the company.

2642
03:39:21,870 --> 03:39:33,690
As we've seen, an emergency preamble puts it in a position to act on it tonight, so that great

2643
03:39:33,690 --> 03:39:40,130
can get us on the list of it's holes up for another three weeks, which would be the next meeting.

2644
03:39:40,130 --> 03:39:46,330
The three weeks would bring it to adding another month to getting

2645
03:39:46,330 --> 03:39:47,870
possibly getting that fixed.

2646
03:39:48,150 --> 03:39:52,330
So that's this objective here, is to get it on the list as soon as possible.

2647
03:39:54,270 --> 03:39:57,830
Because he had called me and I told him that I would put it on his

2648
03:39:57,830 --> 03:40:03,430
an emergency, he was able to get a temporary spot on that list.

2649
03:40:04,030 --> 03:40:06,150
So we need, if we all vote tonight, it comes off.

2650
03:40:06,150 --> 03:40:13,410
So, I will just request right now to vote in the emergency preamble first.

2651
03:40:14,170 --> 03:40:19,690
So if there are any questions, comments on the emergency preamble, consult or knows where

2652
03:40:19,690 --> 03:40:19,750
they are.

2653
03:40:19,790 --> 03:40:20,930
Thank you, Madam President.

2654
03:40:21,130 --> 03:40:21,910
I will be brief.

2655
03:40:23,070 --> 03:40:25,190
I don't know if this is the time to do it.

2656
03:40:25,270 --> 03:40:26,870
If not, I just wanted to get it out there.

2657
03:40:26,890 --> 03:40:32,670
Since we already had issues with the other elevator in here, can we have them take a look

2658
03:40:32,670 --> 03:40:33,430
at the envelope?

2659
03:40:33,870 --> 03:40:34,270
Completely different.

2660
03:40:34,270 --> 03:40:40,950
Oh, no, I understand I'm just saying just putting it out there we did have issues with the other

2661
03:40:41,510 --> 03:40:43,550
Elevator in here, so

2662
03:40:43,550 --> 03:40:52,370
But that's where yeah, we need to stick to this one at this point. Yep. Okay. Thank you

2663
03:40:52,370 --> 03:40:53,210
Consular mirror

2664
03:40:53,210 --> 03:40:54,950
I was waiting

2665
03:40:55,870 --> 03:40:58,250
Yeah, the Elevator

2666
03:40:58,250 --> 03:41:01,850
I know I know I know so

2667
03:41:01,850 --> 03:41:07,710
So, not proceeding with this preamble here, this emergency preamble.

2668
03:41:07,810 --> 03:41:08,910
What are the options?

2669
03:41:09,130 --> 03:41:10,850
I just want to better understand why.

2670
03:41:11,270 --> 03:41:14,930
He would probably, if he's continued,

2671
03:41:15,330 --> 03:41:22,790
it would go on the agenda on 9, 9, 4, 10, which is 3 weeks or no, right?

2672
03:41:23,570 --> 03:41:24,690
That's 3 weeks.

2673
03:41:25,990 --> 03:41:29,930
9, 4, 10, and then there would be 2 weeks after that

2674
03:41:29,930 --> 03:41:35,170
before we could actually vote on it, it would be given regular course, so you're talking

2675
03:41:35,170 --> 03:41:42,630
five weeks before and then at that point it would depend on whether they put it on the

2676
03:41:42,630 --> 03:41:48,550
list or not. Right now we're on the list and at that I think it's two to three months

2677
03:41:48,550 --> 03:41:56,650
you say before they can even get to it. So I had hoped that Mr. Chaplin would be here to be able

2678
03:41:56,650 --> 03:42:02,390
provide when it says that since we're on the list what the actual data is for

2679
03:42:02,390 --> 03:42:08,010
booking because my office is actually in the Gallagher building and I will

2680
03:42:08,010 --> 03:42:13,950
tell you this has been a nightmare since April and April I was told by the city

2681
03:42:13,950 --> 03:42:19,510
before we appropriate the money that they were in contact with Odin to request

2682
03:42:19,510 --> 03:42:24,050
that they ordered the parts so that they could begin work. We appropriate the

2683
03:42:24,050 --> 03:42:29,490
money, they didn't even show up until July, and then they were there for like two days.

2684
03:42:30,590 --> 03:42:34,550
And then they were gone because apparently a permit was needed.

2685
03:42:34,970 --> 03:42:40,250
And then according to Greg's email, the permit was actually not needed for me, P.A.

2686
03:42:41,010 --> 03:42:42,890
Although it was all paused.

2687
03:42:44,950 --> 03:42:48,390
So this has been one thing after the other.

2688
03:42:48,430 --> 03:42:52,050
And if you go into the Gallagher Building, I don't know if any of you have gone in there,

2689
03:42:52,970 --> 03:42:59,730
The, the, the, everything that's needed to fix the elevator is just sitting in the hallways.

2690
03:42:59,730 --> 03:43:01,090
It's been there for months.

2691
03:43:02,050 --> 03:43:10,790
And so without an actual commitment from them, in terms of the day that they're going to be able to actually perform this, it has been this,

2692
03:43:11,950 --> 03:43:14,310
just this prolonged process.

2693
03:43:14,310 --> 03:43:22,030
So while I understand this, like he wants to get this done as soon as possible, we appropriated the money back

2694
03:43:22,030 --> 03:43:28,710
in April, May. They didn't even start working on it until July and it was only for a couple

2695
03:43:28,710 --> 03:43:36,390
days and then they paused for over a month. So I have a real problem with doing this with

2696
03:43:37,130 --> 03:43:43,770
an actual commitment from them in terms of when we're actually on the calendar because I don't

2697
03:43:43,770 --> 03:43:50,670
believe it's going to get done. Even if we vote yes on this and move this forward, I don't believe

2698
03:43:50,670 --> 03:43:54,170
It's going to, so I'm like, we might as well just do regular course, regular course.

2699
03:43:54,410 --> 03:43:54,730
Like regular.

2700
03:43:55,030 --> 03:43:57,970
So we, we are not able to go anywhere else.

2701
03:43:58,630 --> 03:43:59,330
We have a contract.

2702
03:43:59,350 --> 03:44:01,090
We have a three year contract with them.

2703
03:44:01,430 --> 03:44:07,610
So it's not like we are dealing with them and say, well, we're not happy with your performance.

2704
03:44:08,310 --> 03:44:09,230
We'll call somebody else.

2705
03:44:09,370 --> 03:44:12,230
We can't do that until the contract is done.

2706
03:44:13,050 --> 03:44:16,310
Nobody's more frustrated about this as I've noticed,

2707
03:44:16,310 --> 03:44:18,030
and then grid trapped away.

2708
03:44:18,390 --> 03:44:20,290
I had a long conversation with him on Friday.

2709
03:44:20,990 --> 03:44:22,350
I had another one with him today.

2710
03:44:22,910 --> 03:44:24,850
He's very upset with Otis.

2711
03:44:25,590 --> 03:44:28,670
I mean, I don't want to be forced to read this letter because it's long.

2712
03:44:29,870 --> 03:44:35,090
But I want to make sure the public's not getting the wrong idea that somebody's dragging

2713
03:44:35,090 --> 03:44:35,770
their feet.

2714
03:44:36,030 --> 03:44:39,790
According to Greg, he was told that they needed a permit from EPA.

2715
03:44:40,410 --> 03:44:43,110
He couldn't get answers from anybody from Otis.

2716
03:44:43,110 --> 03:44:48,710
couldn't get an answer from any of them to tell him what they needed and how they needed

2717
03:44:48,710 --> 03:44:56,270
to apply for it. They were told that the hydraulic fluid that had leaked from the piston.

2718
03:44:56,270 --> 03:44:59,830
Now I'm trying to remember how this is written.

2719
03:45:01,190 --> 03:45:20,850
Was an environmental issue and they couldn't get in touch with anybody in EPA and they finally found out through a long process and going through someone else that it wasn't as it is as it is with the state, I think, but not the federal government.

2720
03:45:20,850 --> 03:45:29,170
So he was going in the wrong direction, and nobody from Otis would help him try to resolve the issue.

2721
03:45:29,690 --> 03:45:31,890
Sir, there are both the only game in town.

2722
03:45:32,010 --> 03:45:33,650
No, and I think that's right.

2723
03:45:34,010 --> 03:45:37,790
No, there is another company.

2724
03:45:39,570 --> 03:45:44,010
In fact, you know, my concern actually was trying to help with the EPA code.

2725
03:45:44,370 --> 03:45:45,350
That works for another company.

2726
03:45:45,350 --> 03:45:49,410
But regardless, what I'm trying to get at is

2727
03:45:49,410 --> 03:45:51,850
this is on here as an emergency.

2728
03:45:52,770 --> 03:45:54,250
We were told back in April.

2729
03:45:54,390 --> 03:45:55,450
This was time sensitive.

2730
03:45:55,590 --> 03:45:56,790
Like, we needed to get this done.

2731
03:45:56,810 --> 03:45:57,830
You know, so on and so forth.

2732
03:45:58,610 --> 03:45:59,450
And it's still not.

2733
03:45:59,670 --> 03:46:00,730
So I just don't feet.

2734
03:46:01,010 --> 03:46:03,910
Like, again, we're voting on whether or not this is an emergency.

2735
03:46:04,150 --> 03:46:05,230
And I just don't.

2736
03:46:05,270 --> 03:46:08,250
Based on notices performance and based on their history.

2737
03:46:08,770 --> 03:46:10,930
I don't see them moving any faster.

2738
03:46:11,190 --> 03:46:14,250
The emergencies not measured by autistic performance.

2739
03:46:14,250 --> 03:46:17,130
emergency measures by the need of the public.

2740
03:46:17,690 --> 03:46:20,250
So the public needs this, you all agree.

2741
03:46:20,730 --> 03:46:22,470
So we can't, we're not going to talk about this.

2742
03:46:22,630 --> 03:46:23,830
Let's see what we all turn it up.

2743
03:46:24,450 --> 03:46:27,990
If they take us off that list and say, OK, you know,

2744
03:46:27,990 --> 03:46:29,710
you told me that you, you know, the chances

2745
03:46:29,710 --> 03:46:32,390
are likely that you put an emergency forward.

2746
03:46:33,290 --> 03:46:37,650
And if we say, no, we vote to not have an emergency

2747
03:46:38,470 --> 03:46:43,130
preamble to it and not fund it, then what are we

2748
03:46:43,130 --> 03:46:44,910
and go this is going to do at this point.

2749
03:46:45,350 --> 03:46:46,590
I don't think anybody's happy with, oh,

2750
03:46:46,670 --> 03:46:47,330
this is good.

2751
03:46:47,630 --> 03:46:49,250
Nothing to do with being satisfied.

2752
03:46:50,150 --> 03:46:52,930
There is nobody else to deal with.

2753
03:46:54,130 --> 03:46:54,350
It's all right.

2754
03:46:54,370 --> 03:46:54,730
If I may.

2755
03:46:56,070 --> 03:46:56,370
I'm sorry.

2756
03:46:56,950 --> 03:46:57,550
No problem.

2757
03:46:59,250 --> 03:47:03,750
You know, no one has been very vocal before about emergency

2758
03:47:03,750 --> 03:47:08,050
preembles and I'm not a fan of them, but I'll tell you

2759
03:47:08,050 --> 03:47:11,510
that if anything has ever come down as an emergency

2760
03:47:11,510 --> 03:47:16,970
see that we need to get moving on, that affects the, as the charisess, the peace, health,

2761
03:47:17,290 --> 03:47:25,730
safety of the city. This is it. And trust me, I completely understand the word one

2762
03:47:26,310 --> 03:47:33,050
counselor's frustration and the whole idea that, yes, we could push this as forward as an

2763
03:47:33,050 --> 03:47:39,890
emergency in a month, it's still not done. But we have no control over that. But I'm not going

2764
03:47:39,890 --> 03:47:47,250
hold this up, it's not going to be on us, and to not accept it as an emergency isn't going

2765
03:47:47,250 --> 03:47:51,710
to send any kind of a message, it's just going to delay it and the fingers will be pointed

2766
03:47:51,710 --> 03:47:52,050
off.

2767
03:47:53,690 --> 03:47:57,070
So, we're all aware of where we're all, we're all ready to accept it as an emergency.

2768
03:48:00,330 --> 03:48:06,850
We're all aware of it and we all understand the frustration that we're feeling, I can't

2769
03:48:06,850 --> 03:48:09,310
and imagine you're working in a building.

2770
03:48:09,830 --> 03:48:14,190
I mean, it doesn't, and knowing your clients can't get to you.

2771
03:48:14,350 --> 03:48:14,830
Exactly.

2772
03:48:15,330 --> 03:48:21,070
To save the veterans and elders, I've been like months not being able

2773
03:48:21,070 --> 03:48:24,550
to access the services that they need in our building,

2774
03:48:25,030 --> 03:48:27,970
because even employees struggling, because of this.

2775
03:48:27,970 --> 03:48:30,650
So the whole department is, exactly, very frustrated.

2776
03:48:31,030 --> 03:48:33,590
People that are struggling and special needs children

2777
03:48:33,590 --> 03:48:34,530
to get up there to register,

2778
03:48:34,530 --> 03:48:41,130
I understand it. I don't know that we have an alternative. I guess that's that's the whole point here.

2779
03:48:42,650 --> 03:48:52,130
So I did commit to putting it on as an emergency and I still believe that's the best we can do for our part at this point.

2780
03:48:53,070 --> 03:48:54,390
Any other questions or comments?

2781
03:48:57,140 --> 03:49:01,520
Okay. This will be a roll call beginning with a counselor.

2782
03:49:01,520 --> 03:49:06,720
One, I do I need a motion in a second.

2783
03:49:07,080 --> 03:49:11,160
Motion to move the question on the move preamble.

2784
03:49:11,380 --> 03:49:11,820
All right.

2785
03:49:11,840 --> 03:49:14,520
We have a motion in a second.

2786
03:49:16,360 --> 03:49:17,200
Council of Columbia.

2787
03:49:18,220 --> 03:49:19,600
Council of Coppalling, Columbia.

2788
03:49:20,320 --> 03:49:20,340
Yeah.

2789
03:49:20,340 --> 03:49:20,980
Council of Andrew.

2790
03:49:21,620 --> 03:49:22,900
Council of Noseworthy.

2791
03:49:24,060 --> 03:49:25,220
Council of Romero.

2792
03:49:26,040 --> 03:49:26,240
Yeah.

2793
03:49:27,320 --> 03:49:28,060
Council of Shelfers.

2794
03:49:28,360 --> 03:49:28,600
Yeah.

2795
03:49:29,280 --> 03:49:30,260
Council of Robin.

2796
03:49:31,660 --> 03:49:32,180
Yes.

2797
03:49:32,520 --> 03:49:32,720
Yes.

2798
03:49:33,120 --> 03:49:33,220
Yes.

2799
03:49:33,220 --> 03:49:34,640
And I will be recorded as you.

2800
03:49:35,920 --> 03:49:37,680
And again, it's a console over here, right?

2801
03:49:37,980 --> 03:49:38,780
You're here, right?

2802
03:49:39,500 --> 03:49:39,700
Okay.

2803
03:49:40,180 --> 03:49:41,580
Sorry, it's unanimous.

2804
03:49:42,200 --> 03:49:46,200
Now, now we will go to

2805
03:49:48,530 --> 03:49:49,590
the chair of flat walls.

2806
03:49:50,290 --> 03:49:52,630
Well, we had a medical court.

2807
03:49:53,130 --> 03:49:54,270
Dean James, I was around the minute,

2808
03:49:54,450 --> 03:50:00,710
respectfully request an appropriation of up to $210,000 to be made from the Gallagher Building Fund.

2809
03:50:01,550 --> 03:50:08,290
Okay, as we've already delved into this evening, this money is necessary to repair the

2810
03:50:08,290 --> 03:50:10,810
elevator pit and the damage to the piston.

2811
03:50:11,990 --> 03:50:12,910
Obviously, it's an emergency.

2812
03:50:13,150 --> 03:50:14,610
We just voted on that.

2813
03:50:14,610 --> 03:50:19,610
It would be my position to grant C-7 and ask you to check with the members of my committee,

2814
03:50:20,010 --> 03:50:20,270
Madam President.

2815
03:50:20,570 --> 03:50:20,590
Okay.

2816
03:50:20,630 --> 03:50:21,630
Constellers, you all know what's up?

2817
03:50:22,330 --> 03:50:22,830
Okay.

2818
03:50:23,030 --> 03:50:24,230
And Constellers, I agree.

2819
03:50:24,690 --> 03:50:24,970
Okay.

2820
03:50:25,130 --> 03:50:30,470
You have the unanimous recommendation from the Finance Committee, any other questions or comments?

2821
03:50:32,470 --> 03:50:39,610
If not, let's do this by roll call again, just to be short, come for the Columbia.

2822
03:50:40,410 --> 03:50:40,810
Also Columbia?

2823
03:50:41,750 --> 03:50:42,310
Yeah.

2824
03:50:42,530 --> 03:50:42,630
Yes.

2825
03:50:42,630 --> 03:50:42,950
Yeah.

2826
03:50:43,770 --> 03:50:44,330
Yeah.

2827
03:50:46,030 --> 03:50:46,210
Yeah.

2828
03:50:46,210 --> 03:50:47,190
Counselor Shao, go to South Carolina.

2829
03:50:47,710 --> 03:50:48,630
Counselor Robin.

2830
03:50:49,090 --> 03:50:49,170
Yeah.

2831
03:50:50,150 --> 03:50:50,210
Yeah.

2832
03:50:50,690 --> 03:50:52,550
And I'll be recorded as yeah.

2833
03:50:52,970 --> 03:50:53,350
All right.

2834
03:50:55,130 --> 03:50:55,970
Thank you, everyone.

2835
03:50:59,600 --> 03:51:01,120
CO7 is granted.

2836
03:51:03,720 --> 03:51:05,740
We need an order.

2837
03:51:06,300 --> 03:51:06,960
That's okay.

2838
03:51:07,540 --> 03:51:08,100
I do.

2839
03:51:08,700 --> 03:51:14,800
Order that the sum of $110,000 be transferred to the

2840
03:51:14,800 --> 03:51:16,240
Gallagher Elevator.

2841
03:51:16,360 --> 03:51:18,600
Same to be appropriate from the Gallagher Building Fund.

2842
03:51:18,780 --> 03:51:20,100
Move for the adoption of the order.

2843
03:51:20,680 --> 03:51:22,720
Okay, you've heard the recommendation of the chair.

2844
03:51:23,200 --> 03:51:24,320
Any questions or comments?

2845
03:51:25,200 --> 03:51:26,540
If not, all those in favour?

2846
03:51:27,180 --> 03:51:28,840
Was the signify in the usual manner?

2847
03:51:29,840 --> 03:51:30,520
Those opposed?

2848
03:51:31,160 --> 03:51:31,440
Yes.

2849
03:51:31,440 --> 03:51:33,840
I have item 9-0.

2850
03:51:34,000 --> 03:51:35,320
The order has been granted.

2851
03:51:36,680 --> 03:51:37,920
Siga Ash-OH.

2852
03:51:38,800 --> 03:51:44,680
Dianjame, as a Trailer Mayor, respectfully request an appropriation of $150 dollars and 35 cents.

2853
03:51:45,000 --> 03:51:48,660
We made to the Health Department an expense line this time to be transferred to the Stabilization

2854
03:51:49,200 --> 03:51:49,680
Fund.

2855
03:51:50,280 --> 03:51:53,480
Okay, CO-A is referring to the jar of finance.

2856
03:51:53,800 --> 03:51:57,540
Thank you, Madame President, first time on the agenda, regular course.

2857
03:51:57,700 --> 03:51:59,220
They do believe the sets of rucked.

2858
03:51:59,220 --> 03:52:02,840
For me, that's fine. It's cheer. The smallest appropriation ever.

2859
03:52:05,800 --> 03:52:07,360
You don't feel like pain in my stomach.

2860
03:52:07,380 --> 03:52:08,080
I'm not a complaint.

2861
03:52:13,800 --> 03:52:14,060
Okay.

2862
03:52:14,060 --> 03:52:15,860
So you're recommending regular course.

2863
03:52:16,840 --> 03:52:17,120
Okay.

2864
03:52:18,320 --> 03:52:19,420
No referrals on that.

2865
03:52:19,960 --> 03:52:20,040
No.

2866
03:52:20,040 --> 03:52:20,580
Big amount.

2867
03:52:22,300 --> 03:52:22,540
You're free.

2868
03:52:24,520 --> 03:52:26,980
See, the S.O.A. has been given regular course.

2869
03:52:26,980 --> 03:52:29,980
3-09, D&J Maserol

2870
03:52:30,000 --> 03:52:41,360
Very crispy, respectfully request, excuse me, an appropriation of $3,500, we made to the four street overtime account, the same to be transferred to the stabilization account.

2871
03:52:42,020 --> 03:52:46,560
Again, first time on the calendar, regular course, we again up the end of the number.

2872
03:52:48,040 --> 03:52:51,480
see it has shown that I just been given a regular course.

2873
03:52:52,320 --> 03:53:02,420
Before we go to some of these, let's go to this chair public service to do with the

2874
03:53:03,620 --> 03:53:04,580
NASA elector.

2875
03:53:05,020 --> 03:53:07,260
I mean, that poor gentleman's been sitting here all night.

2876
03:53:08,140 --> 03:53:13,900
I'm not saying he probably hasn't been enjoying it, but just let him get out of here.

2877
03:53:13,900 --> 03:53:19,000
So I thank you, Madam President, let me get to that here.

2878
03:53:21,740 --> 03:53:27,720
So we had this is for petition 0.5-27.

2879
03:53:28,560 --> 03:53:30,280
Can I wave the reading on a ceiling?

2880
03:53:30,740 --> 03:53:31,420
Yes, yes.

2881
03:53:31,460 --> 03:53:31,960
Okay, great.

2882
03:53:32,660 --> 03:53:36,080
So we had a public hearing earlier this evening.

2883
03:53:38,120 --> 03:53:39,660
That public hearing has been closed.

2884
03:53:39,660 --> 03:53:48,380
It would be my recommendation to pass petition 0.5-27, and I ask you to check with the other members

2885
03:53:48,380 --> 03:53:49,160
of my committee.

2886
03:53:50,120 --> 03:53:53,520
Okay, thank you, Madam Chair, it's a recommendation by the Chair.

2887
03:53:54,420 --> 03:53:55,500
Councillor Schell, it was off that.

2888
03:53:55,820 --> 03:53:56,140
Okay.

2889
03:53:56,340 --> 03:53:56,820
Councillor Robbins.

2890
03:53:57,320 --> 03:53:57,360
Okay.

2891
03:53:57,560 --> 03:53:58,900
You have a unanimous recommendation.

2892
03:54:00,080 --> 03:54:01,540
Any other questions or comments?

2893
03:54:02,540 --> 03:54:09,500
If not, all those in favor of granting 0.5-27, signifying usual manner, those opposed?

2894
03:54:13,000 --> 03:54:15,940
Thank you, honey.

2895
03:54:17,340 --> 03:54:18,380
Thank you.

2896
03:54:25,460 --> 03:54:25,700
Okay.

2897
03:54:26,160 --> 03:54:27,980
So we're going to write the state property.

2898
03:54:29,000 --> 03:54:30,580
Mr. Chair, ready to report.

2899
03:54:31,020 --> 03:54:31,380
I'm sorry.

2900
03:54:31,740 --> 03:54:32,260
I'm fine.

2901
03:54:32,560 --> 03:54:32,880
I'm sorry.

2902
03:54:34,600 --> 03:54:35,140
I'm sorry.

2903
03:54:35,360 --> 03:54:35,620
I'm sorry.

2904
03:54:36,360 --> 03:54:36,860
I'm sorry.

2905
03:54:37,700 --> 03:54:37,800
I'm sorry.

2906
03:54:37,800 --> 03:54:37,920
I'm sorry.

2907
03:54:38,980 --> 03:54:39,740
I'm sorry.

2908
03:54:42,520 --> 03:54:43,040
I'm sorry.

2909
03:54:43,040 --> 03:54:54,880
$153 actually over the other one. So $25,696,825,696,845 dollars. And you can

2910
03:54:54,880 --> 03:55:03,500
have a fiscal year at an interest of $38,814. We have before us if passed $3,653 of

2911
03:55:03,500 --> 03:55:13,940
appropriations, leaving a resultant balance of $25,732,732,000, $5,000.

2912
03:55:13,940 --> 03:55:24,080
Fiscal Stabilization Fund began the fiscal year with a balance of $2,699,298, and that's

2913
03:55:24,080 --> 03:55:25,620
what we stand right now.

2914
03:55:25,620 --> 03:55:33,600
I hope you are a stabilization fund, begin the fiscal year with $512,000, $44,000.

2915
03:55:33,700 --> 03:55:44,720
The only appropriation was for the clinician, $76,768, leaving a result in balance of $135,000, $276,000.

2916
03:55:44,740 --> 03:55:46,480
And that is the financial report.

2917
03:55:47,880 --> 03:55:53,180
I apologize to the award one castler, because once again I defalcated, I'm not getting

2918
03:55:53,180 --> 03:55:57,580
you some information from the mayor's office about how we're going to spend the rest

2919
03:55:57,580 --> 03:56:00,460
of that money, and I promise I will for the next time.

2920
03:56:00,840 --> 03:56:01,000
I'm here.

2921
03:56:02,000 --> 03:56:02,780
That was my question.

2922
03:56:03,000 --> 03:56:04,660
I'm supposed to find it for me too.

2923
03:56:06,380 --> 03:56:06,660
Okay.

2924
03:56:07,120 --> 03:56:08,080
We're holding that.

2925
03:56:08,920 --> 03:56:09,580
All right.

2926
03:56:10,200 --> 03:56:12,440
Moving on to city property now.

2927
03:56:13,100 --> 03:56:14,440
Is the chair ready to reflect?

2928
03:56:15,080 --> 03:56:16,460
Madam President, I need to abstain from.

2929
03:56:16,460 --> 03:56:16,840
for this.

2930
03:56:17,800 --> 03:56:18,920
Thank you.

2931
03:56:19,580 --> 03:56:20,280
C5.

2932
03:56:20,780 --> 03:56:25,380
Dean J. Masarella Mayer requests authorization to accept the donation of the attached deed for

2933
03:56:25,380 --> 03:56:31,440
parcels of land from the estate of Peter Angelini to be dedicated to maintain as permanent

2934
03:56:31,440 --> 03:56:33,720
conservation and for the city of Lomensir.

2935
03:56:34,100 --> 03:56:38,620
The acceptance is currently before the conservation commission as well.

2936
03:56:38,900 --> 03:56:41,460
This land encompasses parcel one, lot five.

2937
03:56:41,460 --> 03:56:47,990
parcel two lot six on Roche Ave in Llamister by accepting this deed the city will permanently protect

2938
03:56:48,480 --> 03:56:57,180
additional natural resources preserve wildlife habitats excuse me and expand our open space inventory

2939
03:56:58,940 --> 03:57:06,650
we I did not receive anything from the conservation commission I don't

2940
03:57:07,570 --> 03:57:14,850
I believe I'm not sure if we received the document documentation from the Conservation Commission.

2941
03:57:14,850 --> 03:57:15,910
I know it was referred to.

2942
03:57:16,010 --> 03:57:17,270
I don't know if they've met you.

2943
03:57:17,450 --> 03:57:18,990
That's what that's just my question.

2944
03:57:19,170 --> 03:57:19,730
Oh, I see.

2945
03:57:20,050 --> 03:57:20,370
I don't know.

2946
03:57:20,370 --> 03:57:22,210
Some reason I'm excited when meeting tomorrow night.

2947
03:57:22,310 --> 03:57:22,910
I don't know why.

2948
03:57:23,290 --> 03:57:23,990
Oh, okay.

2949
03:57:24,330 --> 03:57:25,050
I didn't have a date.

2950
03:57:25,370 --> 03:57:28,170
Given that, I will ask for further time on this.

2951
03:57:28,370 --> 03:57:32,030
And ask that you please check with members of my committee as well.

2952
03:57:35,830 --> 03:57:36,270
Okay.

2953
03:57:40,630 --> 03:57:46,610
I mean, if you're comfortable enough to do something with it, you can, that's all I'm

2954
03:57:46,610 --> 03:57:47,690
pointing out.

2955
03:57:48,150 --> 03:57:51,270
If you want to wait, you can also request further time.

2956
03:57:51,370 --> 03:57:54,510
But if you want it's a granted, you don't have to wait for conservation.

2957
03:57:55,590 --> 03:57:57,490
I have not had an opportunity to meet.

2958
03:57:57,510 --> 03:58:02,050
We'll have a subcommittee meeting with my fellow members.

2959
03:58:02,050 --> 03:58:08,830
And so I would like to, again, request the further time and then also just, hopefully the

2960
03:58:08,830 --> 03:58:13,230
conservation commission will actually just have something additionally that they can provide.

2961
03:58:14,210 --> 03:58:18,090
And just to confirm this was not referred to the planning board, right? Is that correct?

2962
03:58:18,190 --> 03:58:22,590
We didn't need anything? No, it's just, yeah, that's what I thought. Okay, I just wanted to confirm.

2963
03:58:23,210 --> 03:58:31,410
So again, I just asked for further time. We can have a conversation, a subcommittee meeting,

2964
03:58:31,410 --> 03:58:35,470
with members of my committee. Again, I just asked that you check with them.

2965
03:58:35,470 --> 03:58:38,910
My secretary, it's a my lady. I'm very quest. I just looked at

2966
03:58:38,910 --> 03:58:41,770
up and it's on the agenda for tomorrow night. I'm kind of the

2967
03:58:41,770 --> 03:58:47,370
commission. So great. So we should have that. Okay. Thank you very much through the

2968
03:58:47,370 --> 03:58:51,870
chair to the city clerk. I had asked for maps for this particular

2969
03:58:51,870 --> 03:58:56,570
petition and then the other one as well. Correct. I'll send them. Okay.

2970
03:59:00,130 --> 03:59:00,510
I was looking

2971
03:59:00,510 --> 03:59:04,910
for printed copy? I didn't. Did you get a printed copy, Dave?

2972
03:59:06,670 --> 03:59:09,030
I did not. I did not. I did not.

2973
03:59:09,030 --> 03:59:10,930
I just get an email on both of those cameras.

2974
03:59:11,970 --> 03:59:14,930
I know I've seen them. I can't remember if it was just an email.

2975
03:59:15,110 --> 03:59:18,150
Well, I think I could.

2976
03:59:18,750 --> 03:59:21,930
Okay, so for the next meeting, would you be able to provide printed maps?

2977
03:59:22,050 --> 03:59:23,790
Thank you. Thank you.

2978
03:59:25,740 --> 03:59:26,000
Okay.

2979
03:59:26,000 --> 03:59:29,000
I'm going to choose recommendation.

2980
03:59:33,070 --> 03:59:33,810
Well, I'll just as with you.

2981
03:59:34,870 --> 03:59:36,170
Me, Madam President.

2982
03:59:36,990 --> 03:59:38,870
Do you want us to ease each other's counsel?

2983
03:59:39,130 --> 03:59:40,050
I don't know what you think about them.

2984
03:59:40,070 --> 03:59:41,090
Okay, I am.

2985
03:59:41,090 --> 03:59:42,350
I'm not getting foggy.

2986
03:59:43,110 --> 03:59:44,190
And Councillor Cormier.

2987
03:59:45,190 --> 03:59:45,950
I agree.

2988
03:59:46,170 --> 03:59:46,510
I agree.

2989
03:59:46,530 --> 03:59:46,730
Okay, Madam.

2990
03:59:47,050 --> 03:59:49,710
So, you know this is a social report at the time.

2991
03:59:50,210 --> 03:59:50,290
Thank you.

2992
03:59:50,750 --> 03:59:52,890
Any other questions or comments from anyone?

2993
03:59:53,690 --> 03:59:56,510
If not, are those in favour of a sign of an usual manner?

2994
03:59:56,910 --> 03:59:57,590
Those opposed?

2995
03:59:58,210 --> 03:59:58,310
Correct.

2996
03:59:59,410 --> 03:59:59,970
8 to 0.

2997
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:06,170
General for further time. Thank you. Nothing for ways and means.

2998
04:00:07,370 --> 04:00:11,550
Fortunately, daily. So we'll go right to Legal Affairs.

2999
04:00:13,630 --> 04:00:24,190
C-06. King J. Maseroller, Mayor, request the city grant the order of taking for the flood relief project at the corner of Pleasant and Colvern Streets.

3000
04:00:24,190 --> 04:00:37,530
see order of taking as attached, we spoke with John Rosbury, tonight from the DPW, they're anxious

3001
04:00:37,530 --> 04:00:43,150
to get this moving and on its way. So it would be my recommendation to grant C-06 and I'd

3002
04:00:43,150 --> 04:00:44,630
ask you to check with members of my committee.

3003
04:00:44,990 --> 04:00:46,150
Can you cancel a call on me?

3004
04:00:46,390 --> 04:00:47,010
I agree.

3005
04:00:47,430 --> 04:00:48,150
Councilor Romero.

3006
04:00:48,730 --> 04:00:49,010
Hi, Greg.

3007
04:00:49,010 --> 04:00:52,450
Okay, have a unanimous recommendation from you, committee?

3008
04:00:53,450 --> 04:00:55,010
Yes. Any questions in the comments?

3009
04:00:55,310 --> 04:00:58,650
No. I think we're all happy to see this move.

3010
04:00:58,970 --> 04:00:59,750
We'll see.

3011
04:01:00,270 --> 04:01:04,230
Oh, all those in favour of signifying usual manner?

3012
04:01:04,730 --> 04:01:05,450
Those opposed?

3013
04:01:06,610 --> 04:01:08,030
Okay, by road 9 to 0.

3014
04:01:11,820 --> 04:01:12,900
1-27.

3015
04:01:14,000 --> 04:01:16,780
1-27, Captain John Fur,

3016
04:01:16,780 --> 04:01:22,800
The Minister of Police Department requested Chapter 13 article 1 section 13-7 of the revised

3017
04:01:22,800 --> 04:01:27,500
ordinances of the city of limister be amended to designate school street as a one-way

3018
04:01:27,500 --> 04:01:31,300
street for northbound traffic only between west street and mariam have.

3019
04:01:31,860 --> 04:01:38,320
We have the schedule for a public hearing on September 14th, 2026 at 545.

3020
04:01:39,120 --> 04:01:43,580
So I'd be requesting further time to that public hearing date.

3021
04:01:43,580 --> 04:01:46,560
Okay, you further the chair's recommendation.

3022
04:01:48,740 --> 04:01:50,680
Councillor Coymeyer, you okay?

3023
04:01:50,680 --> 04:01:51,620
I'm going to go to the House.

3024
04:01:52,040 --> 04:01:52,460
Councillor Mero?

3025
04:01:52,860 --> 04:01:52,880
Yep.

3026
04:01:53,340 --> 04:01:54,800
Okay, you have any anonymous recommendation?

3027
04:01:55,120 --> 04:01:56,460
Any other questions or comments?

3028
04:01:57,720 --> 04:02:00,840
If not, although some favour for the time signifying usual manner,

3029
04:02:01,540 --> 04:02:02,200
how's it supposed?

3030
04:02:04,140 --> 04:02:06,220
127 of the grantor for the time.

3031
04:02:07,100 --> 04:02:10,640
2 dash 27 clear free to Councillor Lairidge,

3032
04:02:10,640 --> 04:02:17,300
the City Council adopt a temporary moratorium on battery storage systems, best BESS. The

3033
04:02:17,300 --> 04:02:21,660
moratorium will be in effect starting upon adoption by the Lemister City Council and it will

3034
04:02:21,660 --> 04:02:27,940
be in place until July 31st of 2027. Again, I'm going to request further time. We have a public hearing

3035
04:02:27,940 --> 04:02:32,900
schedule for this on September 14th at 615 pm.

3036
04:02:41,480 --> 04:02:42,120
Okay, further to the director of the

3037
04:02:43,440 --> 04:02:47,660
Do we have a date of when it's going before the planning board or know they had to reschedule

3038
04:02:47,660 --> 04:02:48,660
they didn't have a number?

3039
04:02:48,660 --> 04:02:50,220
What do you have for the planning board?

3040
04:02:50,600 --> 04:02:52,660
I think it's 21st, 21st.

3041
04:02:52,700 --> 04:02:53,440
The 21st?

3042
04:02:53,860 --> 04:02:54,060
Okay.

3043
04:02:54,540 --> 04:02:55,120
Thank you.

3044
04:02:55,940 --> 04:02:58,140
And I also agree with further time.

3045
04:02:58,700 --> 04:02:58,960
Okay.

3046
04:02:59,440 --> 04:03:01,540
You have unanimous recommendation for further time.

3047
04:03:01,800 --> 04:03:02,940
Any other questions or comments?

3048
04:03:04,100 --> 04:03:05,960
If not, all those are favorite for the time.

3049
04:03:05,960 --> 04:03:06,920
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

3050
04:03:07,700 --> 04:03:08,160
Those opposed?

3051
04:03:14,060 --> 04:03:15,420
Moving on to 327.

3052
04:03:17,000 --> 04:03:17,440
3-27.

3053
04:03:18,140 --> 04:03:19,380
Clear free to Councilor Lodge.

3054
04:03:19,660 --> 04:03:23,400
Quest at the City Council in act of temporary moratorium on the application to build new

3055
04:03:23,400 --> 04:03:24,020
data centers.

3056
04:03:24,580 --> 04:03:28,200
The moratorium will be in effect starting upon adoption by the Limits to City Council.

3057
04:03:28,600 --> 04:03:32,500
The moratorium will be in effect and in place until July 31, 2027.

3058
04:03:33,000 --> 04:03:35,840
Again, I'm going to request further time on this.

3059
04:03:35,840 --> 04:03:43,840
We have a public hearing schedule for September 14th at 6.30 and I'd ask you to check with numbers of my committee.

3060
04:03:43,980 --> 04:03:45,120
Okay, council requirements.

3061
04:03:45,140 --> 04:03:45,960
I agree.

3062
04:03:46,000 --> 04:03:46,660
Council or mayor?

3063
04:03:47,840 --> 04:03:48,400
I agree.

3064
04:03:48,800 --> 04:03:49,040
Sorry.

3065
04:03:49,340 --> 04:03:49,800
I agree.

3066
04:03:49,920 --> 04:03:53,540
I just want to also confirm this schedule for the same day before the planning board as well.

3067
04:03:53,920 --> 04:03:53,940
Okay.

3068
04:03:54,040 --> 04:03:54,440
Very good.

3069
04:03:54,500 --> 04:03:55,120
Thank you.

3070
04:03:55,280 --> 04:03:55,540
Okay.

3071
04:03:56,020 --> 04:03:57,420
You've heard those recommendations.

3072
04:03:58,600 --> 04:03:59,580
In the end of this decision.

3073
04:04:01,540 --> 04:04:02,640
Any other questions to comment?

3074
04:04:02,640 --> 04:04:07,580
If not, all those who favor signify you for mana, it was opposed.

3075
04:04:08,660 --> 04:04:11,500
Okay, 3-27 has been given for the time.

3076
04:04:12,180 --> 04:04:13,780
64-26.

3077
04:04:13,780 --> 04:04:15,140
64-26.

3078
04:04:15,540 --> 04:04:16,980
Donna, Donna Mollettos.

3079
04:04:17,280 --> 04:04:19,860
The eight-sky lane limestone, respectively, request to modify.

3080
04:04:20,780 --> 04:04:25,720
Section 22-4 definitions of limestone zoning ordinance by adding the following definition

3081
04:04:25,720 --> 04:04:26,520
of data center.

3082
04:04:26,520 --> 04:04:33,820
We had a very interesting and long meeting with that in public hearing on that today.

3083
04:04:34,500 --> 04:04:41,220
It would be my position, Madam President, to allow this petition, leave to withdraw without

3084
04:04:41,220 --> 04:04:44,100
prejudice and to ask you to check with members of my committee.

3085
04:04:45,520 --> 04:04:49,320
Okay, you've heard the cheers recommendation for leave to withdraw without prejudice,

3086
04:04:49,560 --> 04:04:50,300
Council of Columbia?

3087
04:04:50,740 --> 04:04:51,280
I agree.

3088
04:04:51,620 --> 04:04:52,400
Council of Romero?

3089
04:04:52,680 --> 04:04:53,120
I agree.

3090
04:04:53,120 --> 04:04:59,440
Okay, the unanimous decision of your committee is we have to withdraw without prejudice.

3091
04:05:00,600 --> 04:05:01,980
Any other questions or comments?

3092
04:05:02,640 --> 04:05:05,440
It's not all those in favour of signifying usual manner.

3093
04:05:06,200 --> 04:05:06,920
Those opposed.

3094
04:05:08,140 --> 04:05:08,960
64 dash 26.

3095
04:05:09,280 --> 04:05:10,400
Thank you, and we have to withdraw.

3096
04:05:11,460 --> 04:05:12,140
Without prejudice.

3097
04:05:15,580 --> 04:05:17,000
66 dash 26.

3098
04:05:17,420 --> 04:05:18,880
66 dash 26.

3099
04:05:18,880 --> 04:05:23,260
on a full out of 58 Sky Lane Lemister, respectively, request to amend the Lemister Zoning

3100
04:05:23,260 --> 04:05:23,680
Lawrence.

3101
04:05:24,380 --> 04:05:34,520
In accordance with Section 22-14 on behalf of 10 registered voters, this was to amend the

3102
04:05:35,860 --> 04:05:43,920
multi-use two zoning from yes to a no, I'm not going to read the whole thing we did

3103
04:05:43,920 --> 04:05:45,560
that once already this evening.

3104
04:05:46,220 --> 04:05:48,900
Again, very interesting conversation this evening.

3105
04:05:48,900 --> 04:05:54,980
We had a public hearing, which was closed, Madam President, it would be my position to deny

3106
04:05:57,040 --> 04:06:00,240
66-26 and I'd ask you to check with members of Mike Middee.

3107
04:06:01,000 --> 04:06:03,480
Okay, for the recommendation of the chair.

3108
04:06:03,900 --> 04:06:04,620
Councillor Guamell.

3109
04:06:04,860 --> 04:06:05,800
Hi, great.

3110
04:06:06,300 --> 04:06:06,940
Councillor Romero.

3111
04:06:07,800 --> 04:06:15,280
I'd like to request further time to review the subdivision plan that was recently submitted.

3112
04:06:16,960 --> 04:06:27,540
And to better understand and also to review all of the feedback and correspondence that was received, including today, from Ward 1, constituents.

3113
04:06:28,420 --> 04:06:29,960
So that would be my request.

3114
04:06:30,640 --> 04:06:35,360
Well, it has to be a yes or a no with the recommendation at this point.

3115
04:06:35,940 --> 04:06:39,280
So you agree or you don't.

3116
04:06:39,960 --> 04:06:43,060
Because right now you have a majority right now.

3117
04:06:48,950 --> 04:06:54,070
So requesting from the chair for other time, you're saying is not a possibility.

3118
04:06:54,390 --> 04:06:58,250
I'm not in the position to request for other time.

3119
04:06:59,030 --> 04:07:01,490
Okay, so you're making them, okay.

3120
04:07:03,010 --> 04:07:06,490
Well, as I said, I don't have enough information.

3121
04:07:07,070 --> 04:07:15,210
So at this point, I'll have to vote, yes, on this, without additional information.

3122
04:07:17,230 --> 04:07:29,890
So you're voting not? Well, yes, yes, yes, the motions to die, the motion is to die, to the one.

3123
04:07:30,080 --> 04:07:39,120
All right. So we're at the recommendation. The majority of the legal affairs committee is to deny.

3124
04:07:40,480 --> 04:07:43,840
We'll do this by roll call.

3125
04:07:44,040 --> 04:07:45,040
We have any discussion.

3126
04:07:45,420 --> 04:07:47,480
Any discussion? I'm sorry.

3127
04:07:48,200 --> 04:07:49,280
More, you want more discussion?

3128
04:07:49,860 --> 04:07:52,860
Well, we certainly believe it.

3129
04:07:53,100 --> 04:07:56,520
Thank you for reminding me, thank you.

3130
04:07:57,160 --> 04:07:59,300
Any discussion? Without hearing any?

3131
04:07:59,300 --> 04:08:01,120
and I can't talk like I'm here.

3132
04:08:02,480 --> 04:08:05,100
So, yes, yes, yes, yes means no.

3133
04:08:05,440 --> 04:08:06,880
The A is to deny, right?

3134
04:08:07,220 --> 04:08:09,080
Correct. Okay, yay.

3135
04:08:09,980 --> 04:08:10,180
Yay.

3136
04:08:11,300 --> 04:08:11,500
Yay.

3137
04:08:12,380 --> 04:08:12,780
No.

3138
04:08:14,480 --> 04:08:15,920
Can't talk Romero?

3139
04:08:20,040 --> 04:08:20,540
No.

3140
04:08:21,400 --> 04:08:22,360
Can't talk Romero.

3141
04:08:22,940 --> 04:08:23,900
Can't talk Romero.

3142
04:08:24,020 --> 04:08:24,280
No.

3143
04:08:25,120 --> 04:08:25,720
Can't talk Romero?

3144
04:08:26,420 --> 04:08:27,100
Can't talk Romero.

3145
04:08:27,500 --> 04:08:27,800
Yay.

3146
04:08:28,340 --> 04:08:29,280
Can I be recorded?

3147
04:08:29,940 --> 04:08:34,880
Well, so five, four, five, five, five, five, five to four.

3148
04:08:40,460 --> 04:08:41,440
So five to four?

3149
04:08:41,800 --> 04:08:42,760
Yep, that feeling?

3150
04:08:43,060 --> 04:08:43,600
Yes.

3151
04:08:44,460 --> 04:08:46,200
Well, the motion to deny.

3152
04:08:47,140 --> 04:08:47,960
One, two, one.

3153
04:08:53,320 --> 04:08:53,560
Okay.

3154
04:08:55,280 --> 04:08:57,440
Move the room to 67-26.

3155
04:08:59,880 --> 04:09:00,840
67-26.

3156
04:09:00,840 --> 04:09:01,360
67-26.

3157
04:09:01,800 --> 04:09:05,960
We'll let out of 58 sky lane, respectively, request to amend the limits to zoning runs

3158
04:09:05,960 --> 04:09:07,820
in accordance with section 22-14.

3159
04:09:07,820 --> 04:09:13,060
On behalf of 10 registered voters, modify Section 22-4 definitions of

3160
04:09:13,060 --> 04:09:18,720
LEMIST Resonation Audence, by adding the following definition of data center, we

3161
04:09:18,720 --> 04:09:22,940
read that earlier today. We closed the public hearing on this, but at this

3162
04:09:22,940 --> 04:09:29,080
point, I'm going to request further time. I'd ask you to check with members of my

3163
04:09:29,080 --> 04:09:29,380
committee.

3164
04:09:29,380 --> 04:09:31,960
Council of Guamier? I do agree.

3165
04:09:32,440 --> 04:09:33,140
Council of Romero?

3166
04:09:34,460 --> 04:09:34,840
Hi, Greg.

3167
04:09:35,620 --> 04:09:36,520
Okay, you've heard the record.

3168
04:09:36,820 --> 04:09:40,000
Peter, unanimous recommendation for further time.

3169
04:09:40,300 --> 04:09:41,600
Any questions or comments?

3170
04:09:42,700 --> 04:09:45,620
If not, all those of you who are signifying us on the other?

3171
04:09:46,760 --> 04:09:48,880
Those. Oh, thank you.

3172
04:09:49,280 --> 04:09:52,220
For other times, we're granted by home 9 to 0.

3173
04:09:58,320 --> 04:10:00,320
Moving on to 8-27.

3174
04:10:00,320 --> 04:10:02,980
up in 68. states. 68.

3175
04:10:04,400 --> 04:10:04,940
68.

3176
04:10:04,940 --> 04:10:05,160
68.

3177
04:10:05,360 --> 04:10:05,900
26.

3178
04:10:06,100 --> 04:10:07,140
Donable set of eight.

3179
04:10:07,260 --> 04:10:10,080
Skyline Limster, respectively, your request to amend the Lim Mst Resonance,

3180
04:10:11,140 --> 04:10:12,460
in accordance with Section 22.

3181
04:10:12,720 --> 04:10:15,120
14, a half-tinned registered voters as follows.

3182
04:10:15,260 --> 04:10:20,320
To modify the Lim Mst Resonance with the presidents established in Mess General Law 48.

3183
04:10:20,660 --> 04:10:24,400
Section 5 as follows, and that was read into in the record earlier today.

3184
04:10:25,400 --> 04:10:29,260
We did have a public hearing on this,

3185
04:10:29,260 --> 04:10:35,180
that matter was close. We did, but during the quest all was very helpful with us to give

3186
04:10:35,180 --> 04:10:44,460
us a little guidance on this. Madam President, it would be my position to deny 68-26 and I'd ask

3187
04:10:44,460 --> 04:10:46,520
to check with members of my committee.

3188
04:10:46,700 --> 04:10:47,780
Okay, Councilor Gwanya?

3189
04:10:50,980 --> 04:10:52,140
I agree.

3190
04:10:52,940 --> 04:10:54,660
Okay, Councilor Merrill?

3191
04:10:57,940 --> 04:10:59,420
I'm just graciously sorry.

3192
04:11:01,460 --> 04:11:03,020
I do not agree.

3193
04:11:03,620 --> 04:11:06,720
I'm not voting in approval of this.

3194
04:11:08,900 --> 04:11:12,280
So you have a unanimous recommendation from your committee?

3195
04:11:13,620 --> 04:11:14,640
No, no, no, no, no.

3196
04:11:15,060 --> 04:11:15,240
No, no, no, no.

3197
04:11:15,240 --> 04:11:16,080
I'm sorry.

3198
04:11:18,520 --> 04:11:19,480
I'm sorry.

3199
04:11:20,440 --> 04:11:20,560
I'm sorry.

3200
04:11:20,560 --> 04:11:20,860
I'm sorry.

3201
04:11:20,860 --> 04:11:26,400
Majority recommendation is to deny petition 268-26.

3202
04:11:28,040 --> 04:11:30,040
We'll do this by roll call again as well.

3203
04:11:30,260 --> 04:11:31,300
Conflict on there.

3204
04:11:31,560 --> 04:11:31,780
Yay.

3205
04:11:32,640 --> 04:11:35,520
Well, first of all, I'm going to ask if there's any other questions upon that.

3206
04:11:37,120 --> 04:11:37,320
All right.

3207
04:11:37,460 --> 04:11:42,340
I just want to, if I thank you, Council President Friedup, but I would just like to clarify.

3208
04:11:43,280 --> 04:11:52,500
And explaining my vote in this particular case, where I believe that, you know, if the state already has an ordinance, there's

3209
04:11:53,420 --> 04:12:01,380
that really we should be aligning ourselves with their regulations and so that is why I'm in favor of it. I just don't

3210
04:12:02,820 --> 04:12:07,380
the justification that lemon syrup goes kind of above and beyond for

3211
04:12:08,940 --> 04:12:14,380
housing is just not enough for me to

3212
04:12:15,780 --> 04:12:17,620
support keeping the current system.

3213
04:12:18,080 --> 04:12:20,600
So, that's I just wanted to explain my vote.

3214
04:12:21,200 --> 04:12:21,940
Council of the Young.

3215
04:12:22,080 --> 04:12:22,980
Thank you, Madam President.

3216
04:12:23,380 --> 04:12:28,380
I am a believer that whatever we can hold on to for a

3217
04:12:28,380 --> 04:12:35,700
world control we should. And over the last few years has been such an erosion of locals

3218
04:12:35,700 --> 04:12:41,940
owning control that it's frightening. So this is a particular situation where I think

3219
04:12:41,940 --> 04:12:48,100
we can at least arguably for the foreseeable future hold on to this. It proved potentially

3220
04:12:48,100 --> 04:12:55,540
valuable to neighborhood groups as well, not just developers, so my position as I think

3221
04:12:55,540 --> 04:12:59,480
We should maintain our protest mechanism.

3222
04:13:01,640 --> 04:13:05,000
I think Councilor Kormier will you take the two of them, for a moment?

3223
04:13:08,910 --> 04:13:09,610
I'm sorry for that.

3224
04:13:10,190 --> 04:13:16,230
No, I just, I, for years I've been a real subpoiter of all my role petition.

3225
04:13:16,510 --> 04:13:19,730
I mean, we, I get one at a state level that,

3226
04:13:21,210 --> 04:13:25,030
which good for Boston isn't necessarily good for a woman's turn.

3227
04:13:25,970 --> 04:13:29,190
What's good for a small town is necessarily good for us.

3228
04:13:29,190 --> 04:13:39,190
So I think that autonomy of having home rule petition and we are losing out little by little being mandated to do this and mandated to do that.

3229
04:13:40,050 --> 04:13:44,730
So I'm strongly in support of home rule petition.

3230
04:13:46,850 --> 04:13:49,190
All right, you have to do the rest of it.

3231
04:13:49,470 --> 04:13:53,490
Okay, any other comments? Okay, seeing none.

3232
04:13:53,490 --> 04:14:00,210
This is going to be so we have a two-to-one recommendation a majority recommendation to tonight

3233
04:14:00,210 --> 04:14:04,650
Or in it 68-26 this will be done by roll call

3234
04:14:05,330 --> 04:14:07,430
Councillor Arranger

3235
04:14:07,430 --> 04:14:09,530
Yay, Councillor knows where they

3236
04:14:09,530 --> 04:14:11,510
Nay, Councillor Mery

3237
04:14:11,510 --> 04:14:20,830
Nay, Councillor Shelfo's effort. Yeah, Councillor Robbins. Yeah, Councillor Badanza. Yeah, Councillor Frida. Yeah, and Councillor Coymer. Yeah

3238
04:14:20,830 --> 04:14:23,490
So by a vote of was that

3239
04:14:26,830 --> 04:14:31,310
72 68-26 has been denied, and

3240
04:14:33,740 --> 04:14:37,700
I'm sending it back to you, Madam President, okay?

3241
04:14:42,330 --> 04:14:44,710
No, I think we're going to 827?

3242
04:14:45,430 --> 04:14:45,910
Yes, that's correct.

3243
04:14:47,430 --> 04:14:48,470
Thank you.

3244
04:14:48,470 --> 04:14:49,650
Thank you, Madam President.

3245
04:14:50,090 --> 04:14:50,330
We did.

3246
04:14:50,950 --> 04:14:51,770
We did that one.

3247
04:14:52,290 --> 04:14:52,610
We did that one.

3248
04:14:52,610 --> 04:14:52,870
We did that one.

3249
04:14:53,170 --> 04:14:53,910
That's right.

3250
04:14:54,470 --> 04:14:55,050
You're on the audience.

3251
04:14:55,050 --> 04:14:56,570
It's just because you're going in the pool.

3252
04:14:57,750 --> 04:14:58,470
It's just because you're going in the pool.

3253
04:14:58,530 --> 04:14:59,070
It's basically gone.

3254
04:15:00,660 --> 04:15:18,960
Thank you, Madam President, so petitions 08-27. We have a public hearing schedule for Monday, September 14th at 6 p.m. and for that reason, I would request further time and I ask that you check with members of my committee.

3255
04:15:30,660 --> 04:15:32,940
here is standing any

3256
04:15:38,340 --> 04:15:41,400
on the question to comment. If not, all those in favor is

3257
04:15:41,400 --> 04:15:44,220
thinking about unusual manner. Those both,

3258
04:15:46,950 --> 04:15:49,290
827, if you give them for the time, but you

3259
04:15:50,350 --> 04:15:52,730
vote eight in one of Stemgeon's.

3260
04:15:54,430 --> 04:15:55,390
Is this the last page?

3261
04:15:55,850 --> 04:15:59,650
Yeah, we've done a new business, old business, you're going to count them.

3262
04:16:00,810 --> 04:16:05,230
Okay, and the new business has to come before us,

3263
04:16:08,520 --> 04:16:10,620
and the old business to come before us.

3264
04:16:10,620 --> 04:16:20,200
I'm just going to quickly congratulate, even though Stobberis was pretty much of a rainy evening

3265
04:16:20,200 --> 04:16:30,820
congratulate, Erica Grinkis, and Peter Bevinzi is as Stobberis citizens of the year. Congratulations to them.

3266
04:16:30,820 --> 04:16:33,960
Okay, and councilor, all this effort, do I have a motion from you?

3267
04:16:35,380 --> 04:16:35,920
Okay.

3268
04:16:36,320 --> 04:16:37,480
Why have a community calendar?

3269
04:16:38,720 --> 04:16:39,640
I'm sorry.

3270
04:16:40,200 --> 04:16:41,380
Do we have a community calendar?

3271
04:16:41,540 --> 04:16:42,240
Anybody have any?

3272
04:16:42,720 --> 04:16:45,200
I just wanted to mention very quickly.

3273
04:16:45,640 --> 04:16:47,920
Tomorrow night is the, um,

3274
04:16:48,560 --> 04:16:52,540
um, with taking over, let the city loomsters both to be taking over Polo Park.

3275
04:16:52,900 --> 04:16:54,620
It's looms tonight, so hopefully,

3276
04:16:55,300 --> 04:16:58,300
there will be a lot of loomsters residents in the stands

3277
04:16:58,300 --> 04:17:05,040
and enjoy a nice night of baseball full of park in Worcester. Thank you for that.

3278
04:17:05,660 --> 04:17:13,020
All right, and we voted to adjourn so long. Thank you everybody and with the long evening and tonight.